1820119;1527811201;danielpbarron;it's pay nick amount ? no? 1820120;1527811441;danielpbarron;aha figured it out 1820121;1527811448;danielpbarron;caps matter on usernames 1820122;1527811467;trinque;correct 1820123;1527811511;asciilifeform;trinque: out of curiosity, why ? ( any derp can register, e.g., Trinque, or Mircea_Popescu ? what's the point of permitting this..? ) 1820124;1527811607;mod6;Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Address : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-June/000301.html 1820125;1527811634;trinque;!!gettrust DeeDboT AsCIIliFEforM 1820126;1527811635;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 10 by 10 connections. 1820127;1527811644;trinque;asciilifeform: ^ it's just a wallet thing I haven't fixed yet 1820128;1527811647;asciilifeform;ah hm so not case-sensitive after all ? 1820129;1527811650;asciilifeform;aaaok 1820130;1527812498;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2018-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2018 Report 1820131;1527815852;lobbes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-31#366191 << You know, I was still going to rate you positively on the basis of your service to the republic, but then I thought "why?". You decide that on your way out the door you'll try and casually attack my reputation on the basis of... what exactly? Yeah, I made those comments. But then I sat, thought, came to my senses, left kako to rot, joined #t, built an auction bot, built an archive process, lea 1820132;1527815852;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-05-31 19:07 shinohai: As for lobbes, I care little for your ratings or whatever other thoughts you may harbor - I haven't forgotten that < 2 years ago you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2016#1449250 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449253, which indicates to me you are little more than a yeasayer. I can find your type on reddit all day long. 1820133;1527815853;lobbes;rned basics of v operation, stood up a trb node, and I don't plan to stop there. So what's your point? 1820134;1527815856;lobbes;I don't even care for your point at this point. Adiós anciana, I hope you rot in heathendom. 1820135;1527815863;lobbes;!!v 9ABCFB3816A72BF7F6C61014C660C88AD19E93C9337A1DF9CEE6B11174AE7ED9 1820136;1527815863;deedbot;lobbes rated shinohai -2 << old woman. See also: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Alobbes+rot+in+heathendom 1820137;1527815873;*;lobbes back to work 1820138;1527818021;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820132 << lol, i missed this ! 1820139;1527818021;a111;Logged on 2018-06-01 01:17 mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-31 19:07 shinohai: As for lobbes, I care little for your ratings or whatever other thoughts you may harbor - I haven't forgotten that < 2 years ago you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2016#1449250 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449253, which indicates to me you are little more than a yeasayer. I can find your type on reddit all day long. 1820140;1527818121;asciilifeform;to continue on this occasion the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809296 culture lesson thread : the 'i silently hated you for 2y' thing , was called 'to be a snake', i.e. 'coil up for long time and much later bite', and is a sin. 1820141;1527818121;a111;Logged on 2018-05-04 17:02 asciilifeform: in ru prison argot, this is also called 'to be a mouse', and is seen as equally damning as 'to be a rat' ( steal from one's fellows , rather than the engl meaning of snitch ) 1820142;1527840015;ave1;and build retried, I updated the post here: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-always-static/ 1820143;1527840296;ave1;pre-build versions at: http://ave1.org/tarpit/muslaarch64-linux-musl-nativeada.tar.gz 1820144;1527840308;ave1;sha512: 7ebc6f56bca0d153fb7119c756f78bc6c867a10217a82a2da0193e40fe2f2d06c22151e49ab194541c7e11c71c0c20cfe2d02cf526d02eb856908ed6cc9ae7ad muslaarch64-linux-musl-nativeada.tar.gz 1820145;1527840330;ave1;and http://ave1.org/tarpit/muslx86_64-linux-musl-nativeada.tar.gz 1820146;1527840349;ave1;2ae96a393896d7713d110f03e84a95eb07e17d0cc64c71d22020a93a41fc6b4820bfe282996ebeb9f438507aa28e5df63bbc37bf6d7a0eebefceb074dd5f42e8 muslx86_64-linux-musl-nativeada.tar.gz 1820147;1527844847;spyked;ave1, I can confirm your latest scripts worked on sane build machine (gentoo with gcc 4.9). I tested vtools under qemu-aarch64 with success. as for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817662 , I'm declaring that OS as broken, not worth the bother. 1820148;1527844847;a111;Logged on 2018-05-23 14:46 spyked: native gcc on the system is indeed >4 (5.4 to be more precise), but I expected that one to not be used at all? anyway, that might it. in this case I expect my next run to finish without trouble. 1820149;1527846665;ave1;spyked, thanks for the testing! 1820150;1527847463;spyked;ave1, np, thanks for providing the scripts! I'll be using the x86_64 one as the default gnat toolchain, at least until I get my hands on an ARM64 board. 1820151;1527865570;asciilifeform;ave1: i'ma test today. 1820152;1527870689;asciilifeform;ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gZkW4/?raw=true << not a eggog, thing is still building. but it keeps trying to rm /dev/null , for some reason 1820153;1527870798;asciilifeform;aaaand it's done 1820154;1527870813;asciilifeform;but the built compilers are nowhere to be seen 1820155;1527870823;asciilifeform;( the dir i specified as destination, is empty ) 1820156;1527870891;asciilifeform;ave1: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/5_29_build.txt << warning: 40MB 1820157;1527871840;ave1;asciilifeform, the dev/null is a mistake but should not matter much (I will remove it) 1820158;1527871875;ave1;asciilifeform, the .../temp//ada-musl-cross-2018-04-30/bin is empty? 1820159;1527871894;asciilifeform;yep 1820160;1527871963;asciilifeform;seems like it built compilers, but didn't tar'em up 1820161;1527872303;ave1;it should also not remove any directories, (I'm still downloading I will look into it further) 1820162;1527872454;asciilifeform;ave1: for completeness, my http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/config.sh.txt and http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/config-static.sh.txt 1820163;1527872475;asciilifeform;command was ./build-ada.sh /home/stas/temp/ada-musl-cross-2018-04-30/bin > build.output 2>&1 1820164;1527873095;ave1;the strange thing is that the bootstrap and cross-compilers in that directory were used to create native compilers and no rm of directories is done 1820165;1527873118;asciilifeform;there's a buncha stuff in ./build 1820166;1527873130;asciilifeform;but i have nfi what's what, what's intermediate and what -- final 1820167;1527873152;asciilifeform;the correct output would be , as i understand, a ./bin with tarballs like the ones ave1 posted earlier 1820168;1527873596;asciilifeform;ave1: when your builder is properly ripe, i'ma feature it in the reignited ffa series ! 1820169;1527873638;asciilifeform;and it will become the basis for the cleansed ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819935 ) gnat, and forever more the standard. 1820170;1527873638;a111;Logged on 2018-05-30 19:40 asciilifeform: musltronic static elf does seem to contain ~something~ that varies; looks to be the right size for timestamp turd. definitely on the conveyor. 1820171;1527873982;asciilifeform;imho would be great to have a bsd version at some point, also. 1820172;1527875518;ave1;cool! I built a simple C file twice with these compilers and the diff was empty but maybe a more complexe build still sets the build-id. 1820173;1527875552;ave1;BTW as the build now supports partial runs could you rerun the script without removing the build directory? 1820174;1527875574;ave1;and yes the output directory structure should be the same as before 1820175;1527875673;ave1;plus, could you try 'ls /home/stas/temp/ada-musl-cross-2018-04-30/bin/aarch64-linux-musl-native' 1820176;1527875687;asciilifeform;ave1: tried rerun, no effect 1820177;1527875706;asciilifeform;as for the ls : 1820178;1527875707;asciilifeform;aarch64-linux-musl bin done include lib lib64 libexec share 1820179;1527875721;ave1;so the result is all there 1820180;1527875732;ave1;and 'ls /home/stas/temp/ada-musl-cross-2018-04-30/bin' 1820181;1527875769;asciilifeform;ave1: has aarch64-linux-musl-* stuff 1820182;1527875772;asciilifeform;but no tarballs 1820183;1527875873;ave1;that never happened before, and the structure of the current script makes it so that the tar / gzip commands do not give any helpful output 1820184;1527875907;ave1;I'll update the script to use a different tar command (I think every extant tar by now can also zip it's content in one go) 1820185;1527875946;ave1;my ls gives this: 1820186;1527875947;ave1;aarch64-linux-musl muslx86_64-linux-musl-nativeada.tar.gz 1820187;1527875947;ave1;aarch64-linux-musl-native muslx86_64-linux-muslada.tar.gz 1820188;1527875947;ave1;bootstrap x86_64-linux-musl 1820189;1527875947;ave1;muslaarch64-linux-musl-nativeada.tar.gz x86_64-linux-musl-native 1820190;1527875947;ave1;muslaarch64-linux-muslada.tar.gz 1820191;1527875961;asciilifeform;yea no such luck here. 1820192;1527875962;asciilifeform;no tarballs. 1820193;1527876141;ave1;this is beyond me, I'll change the gzip line. In the mean time could you check if the compiler in x86_64-linux-musl does produce the expected static output? 1820194;1527876254;asciilifeform;will do , shortly, brb 1820195;1527876512;ave1;bbl myself, reading stories to daughter time! 1820196;1527876533;ave1;btw spyked, did the script create tar files for you? 1820197;1527878088;asciilifeform;in other ~unprecedented noose, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-01#22239021; << clueful folx 1820198;1527878092;asciilifeform;^ phf 1820199;1527879093;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/visa-payment-card-network-down-in-europe-and-the-uk/ << Qntra - "Visa" Payment Card Network Down In Europe and the UK 1820200;1527891747;mircea_popescu;hola! 1820201;1527891773;asciilifeform;hola mircea_popescu ! 1820202;1527891802;mircea_popescu;no more visa huh ? great. 1820203;1527891962;asciilifeform;somebody earned his order of lenin today, i guess. 1820204;1527891977;*;asciilifeform brb,meat 1820205;1527893059;BingoBoingo;!!up cazalla 1820206;1527893060;deedbot;cazalla voiced for 30 minutes. 1820207;1527893090;BingoBoingo;Welcome back cazalla 1820208;1527893116;cazalla;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820058 << still on the periphery reading logs, but difficult to maintain a presence here with 3 kids 1820209;1527893116;a111;Logged on 2018-05-31 18:27 asciilifeform: lobbes: imho better like this ( or for that matter, like, e.g., cazalla , in the past ) than to silently vanish 1820210;1527893136;BingoBoingo;Congratulations 1820211;1527893147;cazalla;hey BingoBoingo, enjoying your photos on your blog 1820212;1527893155;cazalla;thanks 1820213;1527893197;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Thank you. I am trying to get better at reading the light with the camera. 1820214;1527893671;cazalla;anyway, before the kids start grabbing at cables and i end up join/part spamming i'll head off.. have not forgotten this place, just everything takes a backseat with these monsters about 1820215;1527895490;asciilifeform;!Q later tell ave1 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820193 << yes it worx! 1820216;1527895490;a111;Logged on 2018-06-01 18:02 ave1: this is beyond me, I'll change the gzip line. In the mean time could you check if the compiler in x86_64-linux-musl does produce the expected static output? 1820217;1527895490;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1820218;1527895503;asciilifeform;just as , incidentally, the previous shot did 1820219;1527895536;asciilifeform;unfortunately i cannot currently test the aarch64 one, my c101pa is across a table top in pieces just now 1820220;1527895615;asciilifeform;oh btw ave1 et al, stripped static muslic ch10 ffa_calc, weighs only 256kB ! 1820221;1527895622;asciilifeform;which is very very spiffy. 1820222;1527895784;asciilifeform;(200+kB of this is still standard lib, which doesn't get used for ~anything; but this is substantial improvement over past state of the art) 1820223;1527895982;mircea_popescu;hey ben_vulpes , what does god do when he runs out of coffee ? 1820224;1527896816;BingoBoingo;I'm guessing he goes to a radio dark zone and trades raw sea turtle faff for fresh beans? 1820225;1527897339;mircea_popescu;lol. nah 1820226;1527897681;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/01/the-real-estate-situation-in-montevideo-part-one/ << Bingo Blog - The Real Estate Situation In Montevideo: Part One 1820227;1527897699;BingoBoingo;^ Part One of the real estate exploration. More notes in the process of being organized for publication soon 1820228;1527910311;mircea_popescu;mkay this is getting ridoinculous. 1820229;1527910515;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820081 << it was a light comment ; i'm not proposing you use antibiotics without a good reason. however, there ~might~ be a good reason, such as otherwise asymptomatic uti etc. 1820230;1527910515;a111;Logged on 2018-05-31 21:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819488 << i vaguelly suspect that's something i need to do, but i don't know if i'm willing to go through the whole song and dance with american medical professionals (tm) to extract the medication out of them. might be easier to wait till my next trip to russia.. 1820231;1527937234;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820196 <-- yes. file listing of my install dir --> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EYuNU/?raw=true . and ftr, build command I ran was exactly the one in instructions, i.e. ./build-ada.sh /path/to/install > build.output 2>&1 1820232;1527937234;a111;Logged on 2018-06-01 18:08 ave1: btw spyked, did the script create tar files for you? 1820233;1527943053;mircea_popescu;!!up alex__c 1820234;1527943054;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes. 1820235;1527959318;mod6;hai 1820236;1527961227;mircea_popescu;and in today's lulz, azn fellow that speaks approximate english trying to convey the concept of "no need to thank me" wrote "you can suck, too" in the send-off. 1820237;1527961252;lobbes;lol 1820238;1527961323;mod6;haha wut 1820239;1527961328;mircea_popescu;languages are hard. 1820240;1527961468;mod6;:D 1820241;1527961783;asciilifeform;languages are fun. asciilifeform dreamed last night that he was practicing jp with mircea_popescu , and the latter several times went, e.g., 'the correct particle here is が, not に , y'idjit, how could you even' etc 1820242;1527962075;mod6;heheh. 1820243;1527962734;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dunno, what does he do? 1820244;1527962967;mircea_popescu;he brews. 1820245;1527962983;asciilifeform;lol! 1820246;1527963847;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i can't even jap! 1820247;1527963865;asciilifeform;parallel world!11 1820248;1527963897;mircea_popescu;nice! 1820249;1527964600;asciilifeform;meanwhile, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820197 folx were right : >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_spirom.jpg 1820250;1527964600;a111;Logged on 2018-06-01 18:34 asciilifeform: in other ~unprecedented noose, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-01#22239021; << clueful folx 1820251;1527964665;asciilifeform;and somewhere in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_dbg.jpg is the uart, but currently i dun have time to find where. 1820252;1527964702;asciilifeform;( and it's a first class bitch to probe, they're 0.5mm pitch ) 1820253;1527966177;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, anybody else test ave1's latest tarball and get same thing asciilifeform saw ? 1820254;1527966456;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform, i can't even jap! << Yet! 1820255;1527966945;esthlos;hey guys, should I have included a manifest file in my genesis? see http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/comment-page-1/#comment-17 1820256;1527968326;mircea_popescu;esthlos, yes. 1820257;1527969021;trinque;mmmmhm. 1820258;1527969312;mircea_popescu;trinque, did you publish the format somewhere after all ? 1820259;1527969347;trinque;phf made one with his vdiff project which looks fine to me 1820260;1527969448;mircea_popescu;ah he did ? hm. was this before http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807007 and i missed it or recently and silent ? 1820261;1527969448;a111;Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch. 1820262;1527969478;trinque;esthlos: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ << see here 1820263;1527969500;trinque;yeah looks like 4-7 1820264;1527969561;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vpatch_newline/tree/vtools/manifest aha 1820265;1527969617;mircea_popescu;trinque, i don't get it, so the format we're baking in is link, anchor, count, comment ? 1820266;1527969625;trinque;actually looking at it, could probably use the patch's name. 1820267;1527969643;trinque;nah, his viewer is doing the link, http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vpatch_newline/tree/vtools/manifest?raw=true 1820268;1527969651;mircea_popescu;or actually html, or name ah i see 1820269;1527969662;mircea_popescu;so the format is name, count, comment per line ? 1820270;1527969670;mircea_popescu;or is the count implicit also. 1820271;1527969678;mircea_popescu;listen, this is a terrible "specification by code" example. 1820272;1527969705;mircea_popescu;i want a link point for "hey, i gotta include manifest ?!" queries which will keep flowing ; no doubt. 1820273;1527969730;mircea_popescu;for instance i can't even tell whether hanbot's mp-wp genesis includes a manifest atm, by virtue of it not even being on btcbase. 1820274;1527969916;trinque;this is not an item I'd promised to produce. if neither of the two guys working on V at the moment don't want to, I suppose I'll do exactly that. 1820275;1527969923;trinque;*either 1820276;1527970015;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807010 << where this thing ran into the forest. 1820277;1527970015;a111;Logged on 2018-05-01 16:26 mircea_popescu: trinque, what's your stance here, do you particularly want to implement a grapher / manifest / generally fix a v ? not really ? 1820278;1527970034;mircea_popescu;alright, plox trinque write a v manifest specification, so it can be linked to for the future. 1820279;1527970052;trinque;sure will 1820280;1527970075;mircea_popescu;ty 1820281;1527970219;esthlos;cool, i'll watch out for it and regrind 1820282;1527970257;mircea_popescu;esthlos, and i like how you ask questions, too. 1820283;1527970257;trinque;I gotta regrind ircbot for spyked anyway, so this isn't even duplicated effort 1820284;1527970301;trinque;whole process of talking with esthlos on the vtron project has been a pleasure. 1820285;1527970324;esthlos;mircea_popescu: yep, that's something I'm working on: not making assumptions. think it's a product of solipsism 1820286;1527970344;mircea_popescu;a well posed question is worth two slavegirls and a barrel of prime rum. 1820287;1527970393;mod6;*whew* just hung up the heavy bag in the garage and went to town on that thing for 45 minutes. feels great. 1820288;1527970421;mircea_popescu;do you staple faces on it ? :D 1820289;1527970448;mod6;lol. should just take a pic with "BCH" on the bag, and "BTC" on the gloves. 1820290;1527970451;mircea_popescu;anyway, in case anyone's wondering, i'm working on an article called "mp's guide to getting crabs" or something like that. 1820291;1527970471;mod6;or USD on the bag, even better 1820292;1527970523;esthlos;btw, I've been taking the plunge and reading the logs since 2016-03-02, the day of the transaction withholding attack on BB 1820293;1527970534;mod6;nice esthlos 1820294;1527970536;esthlos;rich history you guys have here 1820295;1527970601;mircea_popescu;rich indeed. 1820296;1527970602;esthlos;it reads like a suspense novel..."oh shit, will btc survive????" 1820297;1527970640;esthlos;anyway, enjoying that 1820298;1527970696;mod6;cool deal, keep readin' :] 1820299;1527974693;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hue hue hue 1820300;1527975498;lobbes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-2#366691 << Since there seems to be some angst and confusion here on -why- I negrated the mouse in question, let me try to clarify. I had 0 problems (even liked the d00d) before he decided to turn his games of "I am butthurt because I suffered what I see as great injustice, so let me bitch and try to manipulate from the sidelines" (i.e old woman games) onto lobbes. I simply -have no time- for such insanity 1820301;1527975498;lobbes;, and so I figured I'd just consider him "dead" and be done with it. 1820302;1527975498;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-06-02 00:13 BingoBoingo: The point where L2 Republicans with productive history get blocked from purchasing Pizarro services over a Lordly negrating, and where efforts at resolution suggest the only problem is skin insufficiently resistant for Lordly responsibility... is the sort of situation where I would consider deploying my own power to negrate. 1820303;1527975500;lobbes;So no, I would not say that the case is that my skin is "insufficiently resistant for Lordly responsibility", it is rather "leave me the fuck alone or I'll knock you over the head". That being said, if BingoBoingo is threatening to knock me over the head, then plox tell me before you do so we can work something out in this forum. Unlike my considerations for the old woman, I consider BingoBoingo a Better Man Than I. 1820304;1527975531;lobbes;aaanyway, perhaps too soon to worry, but just know I'm a reasonable man, and can be reasoned with 1820305;1527976039;deedbot;http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification-draft/ << trinque - V Manifest Specification Draft 1820306;1527976059;trinque;bugger, it's actually http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/ 1820307;1527976069;trinque;"draft" will go away later. 1820308;1527976071;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^ 1820309;1527976176;deedbot;http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/ << trinque - V Manifest Specification Draft 1820310;1527977511;cruciform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819276 - you probably also have BTG, SBTC, BCD &c, too 1820311;1527977511;a111;Logged on 2018-05-27 19:43 jurov: mod6: ben_vulpes: perhaps you noticed the foundation has some bitcoin cash/gold. liquidate? 1820312;1527977543;cruciform;I've been dumping all this shit over the last fortnight - this website is invaluable: https://forkdrop.io/ 1820313;1527977581;cruciform;Had no problems using the respective shitcoins' forks of Bitcoin Core/Electrum 1820314;1527977719;mircea_popescu;trinque, ty. 1820315;1527977730;mircea_popescu;hanbot, diana_coman plox look into adding one. 1820316;1527977741;asciilifeform;'We recommend that you do this through Tor Browser to defeat tracking and preserve your anonymity' << lol cruciform 1820317;1527977822;cruciform;asciilifeform, it's nevertheless a helpful resource: lists all the exchanges, prices of each coin etc. 1820318;1527977872;mod6;trinque: looks like one of your links is broken because '<' and '>' are replaced with '<' and '>'. 1820319;1527977899;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, do you mean adding a manifest to eucrypt or what exactly? 1820320;1527977927;mod6;cruciform: thanks for the heads-up. 1820321;1527977955;mod6;jurov: if we have other shitcoins because of whatever forks of forks, let ben_vulpes & I know and we'll liquidate those too. 1820322;1527977980;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, yeah 1820323;1527978273;mircea_popescu;another thing that would very well go into the comment section there would be proposals for patch naming conventions. 1820324;1527978315;mircea_popescu;so far we're doing what, projectname_patchstring or such 1820325;1527979044;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820220 << rather getting there. 1820326;1527979044;a111;Logged on 2018-06-01 23:26 asciilifeform: oh btw ave1 et al, stripped static muslic ch10 ffa_calc, weighs only 256kB ! 1820327;1527980118;mod6;nice, M3 nylon screws just arrived. couldn't find these locally, had 'em delivered from shitazon. 1820328;1527980443;lobbes;congrats! 1820329;1527980470;asciilifeform;mod6: out of curiosity -- didja lost the ones that came with your FG? 1820330;1527980472;BingoBoingo;lobbes: ty. I don't see a danger of that. Just when the disupte leads to confusion and a beachdick eating thread... The description of the behavior helps. 1820331;1527980476;asciilifeform;*lose 1820332;1527980479;mod6;thx lobbes 1820333;1527980510;mod6;asciilifeform: naw, but some of 'em had metal screws. and my original ones came with the M3 nylon ones. so I'm gonna replace 'em with those. 1820334;1527980534;asciilifeform;mod6: really makes no diff, the holes are isolated. 1820335;1527980569;mod6;yah, seems that way. i dunno, just whimsically changing them out. 1820336;1527980615;asciilifeform;this being said, betcha nobody has ever said 'i have too many m3 screws', lol 1820337;1527980642;mod6;for sure. i've got a whole assortment now. 1820338;1527980712;mircea_popescu;wait, who else ate dick on beach ?! 1820339;1527980797;mod6;lol 1820340;1527980915;BingoBoingo; wait, who else ate dick on beach ?! << Who hasn't https://archive.is/0KDXf 1820341;1527981344;lobbes;oh man, I forgot those things existed. bonus >> http://archive.is/ia94G 1820342;1527981571;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/mps-guide-to-getting-crabs/ << Trilema - MP's guide to getting crabs 1820343;1527981820;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820318 << ty, fixed 1820344;1527981820;a111;Logged on 2018-06-02 22:17 mod6: trinque: looks like one of your links is broken because '<' and '>' are replaced with '<' and '>'. 1820345;1527982230;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 1820346;1527984289;mod6;lobbes: did you see the ones linked before where they cut them out of the shell? looks like a legit cock & balls. 1820347;1527984414;mod6;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-2#366535 1820348;1527984414;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-06-01 16:41 asciilifeform: http://www.clovegarden.com/ingred/sf_bvgeoz.html << oblig 1820349;1527984589;mircea_popescu;mod6, fucking hysterical 1820350;1527984779;lobbes;mod6: ahaha. holy shit, that is uncanny 1820351;1527985124;mircea_popescu;uncunny moar like it. 1820352;1527986864;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/02/the-real-estate-situation-in-montevideo-part-two/ << Bingo Blog - The Real Estate Situation In Montevideo: Part Two 1820353;1527987359;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, lien 1820354;1527987384;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1820355;1527990912;*;mod6 looks 1820356;1527995795;mod6;Speaking of San Pelegrino, i was to have two cases delivered, and the fuckin USPS guy dropped both boxes in the street. Instead of getting 30 bottes (2 cases), I ended up with 6 bottles. 1820357;1527995839;mod6;Then they wanna bitch about how they got some sorta bad deal with with Amazon. Fuck you. You cocksuckers lose 5 billion per year. 1820358;1527996372;mod6;mircea_popescu: nice pics :] 1820359;1527996867;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820260 << this was before, http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/#selection-11.0-37.1 1820360;1527996867;a111;Logged on 2018-06-02 19:57 mircea_popescu: ah he did ? hm. was this before http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807007 and i missed it or recently and silent ? 1820361;1527996888;phf;2018-04-07 1820362;1527996911;phf;disregard, i didn't read the lest of logs 1820363;1527997150;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820273 << hanbot's mp-wp genesis is 5.8 mb, i haven't yet figured out yet how to make btcbase not fall under the size. at the very least i need to add a caching layer, so that i'm not regenerating 5.8*n for the generated html every time 1820364;1527997150;a111;Logged on 2018-06-02 20:02 mircea_popescu: for instance i can't even tell whether hanbot's mp-wp genesis includes a manifest atm, by virtue of it not even being on btcbase. 1820365;1527999050;mircea_popescu;mod6, did they break or get stolen ? 1820366;1527999067;mircea_popescu;(also, it's ~marginal mineral water, buyt for some reason the only commonly imported south of mexico) 1820367;1527999094;mircea_popescu;phf, what's the limit ? 1820368;1527999467;mod6;mircea_popescu: they broke. was a pile of green glass in the street. 1820369;1527999487;mircea_popescu;shoulda taken pics / posted on blog / shamed them on whatever social media. 1820370;1527999491;mircea_popescu;~only thing it's good for 1820371;1527999515;mod6;i like the stuff quite a bit. much better than others 1820372;1527999547;mod6;(imho) 1820373;1527999552;mod6;yeah, should have taken a pic 1820374;1527999559;*;mircea_popescu recommends perla harghitei. 1820375;1527999583;mod6;i'll have to give that a try, thanks for the suggestion 1820376;1527999605;mircea_popescu;also, borsec. 1820377;1527999651;*;mod6 notes 1820378;1527999759;mod6;ok ordered some borsec. 1820379;1527999911;mircea_popescu;o hey, they deliver ? progress. 1820380;1527999917;mod6;shitupon 1820381;1527999919;mircea_popescu;curious how it strikes you. 1820382;1527999930;mod6;someone will deliver :D 1820383;1527999938;mod6;will report back, thanks! 1820384;1528000540;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-updated-tar-line/ << ave1 - Building GNAT on MUSL, updated tar line 1820385;1528015886;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820283 <-- reading this thread, it just occured to me: is there a convention re. directory structure? the implicit one (in my own head at least) was that each project lives under its own top-level directory (e.g. b/ircbot, b/ffa, b/eucrypt, where b is the press tree). so then does the manifest reside in b/project_name_toplevel_dir/manifest? 1820386;1528015886;a111;Logged on 2018-06-02 20:10 trinque: I gotta regrind ircbot for spyked anyway, so this isn't even duplicated effort 1820387;1528015961;spyked;also, trinque, specifically re. ircbot, given that we'll have ircbot, logbot, rssbot, trilemabot etc. under the same umbrella, would it make sense to have them under a top-level dir., e.g. b/botworks/ircbot, b/botworks/logbot and so on? or should each live in a separate dir., as they do now? 1820388;1528016539;jurov;mod6: of course it has all of them, most of the balance predates the fork. 1820389;1528016551;jurov;*the forks 1820390;1528016760;jurov;but all others I know of are worth less then bitcoin gold and traded at few obscure places, I also need blockchain explorer with inputbox where I can broadcast the tx 1820391;1528017134;jurov;so I don't consider or track them in report 1820392;1528032855;mircea_popescu;spyked, yes, b/project_name_toplevel_dir/manifest 1820393;1528039051;BingoBoingo; but all others I know of are worth less then bitcoin gold and traded at few obscure places, I also need blockchain explorer with inputbox where I can broadcast the tx << This looks like a reasonable bar a forkcoin has to cross to be dumpable. 1820394;1528040189;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathen lulz : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8syQeFtBKc << ad, 'children, rat out terrorists nao' 1820395;1528040377;mircea_popescu;all-soviet pioneers! 1820396;1528040442;asciilifeform;ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820384 << testing it nao ! 1820397;1528040442;a111;Logged on 2018-06-03 04:35 deedbot: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-updated-tar-line/ << ave1 - Building GNAT on MUSL, updated tar line 1820398;1528041331;BingoBoingo;In news out of Canada-Lebanon http://www.contravex.com/2018/06/02/oh-you-fancy-huh/ 1820399;1528042054;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/one-injury-after-fbi-agents-firearm-discharges-in-dance-club/ << Qntra - One Injury After FBI Agent's Firearm Discharges In Dance Club 1820400;1528043551;asciilifeform;'This book is the result of a learning process over many years, during which, I have been fortunate to learn from some very bright minds. In particular, I thank Tuur Demeester, Ryan Dickherber, Pete Dushenski, Michel Fahed, Akin Fernandez, Viktor Geller, Michael Goldstein, Konrad Graf, Pontus Lindblom, Mircea Popescu, Pierre Rochard, Nick Szabo, Kyle Torpey, and Curtis Yarvin for writings and discussions that were instrumental in dev 1820401;1528043551;asciilifeform;eloping my understanding of Bitcoin.' << lol!! 1820402;1528043556;asciilifeform;complete with turdmeister ! 1820403;1528043572;asciilifeform;and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775504 rochard ! 1820404;1528043572;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 20:58 mircea_popescu: !!rate pierre_rochard -1 promising youth that came to nothing. 1820405;1528043621;asciilifeform;and the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-29#650604 derp 1820406;1528043621;a111;Logged on 2014-04-29 23:48 bitstein: Michael Goldstein - Founder and President of the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute - http://bitste.in/ 1820407;1528043694;asciilifeform;aintcha just thrilled, mircea_popescu , to be features in the credits of RespectableMainstreamPress b00k, with these luminaries, mircea_popescu !111 1820408;1528044381;asciilifeform;ave1: it builds ! 1820409;1528045147;mircea_popescu;well... there's no law against thanking people. 1820410;1528045161;mircea_popescu;whatever. the last time anyone read a book it was 1982. 1820411;1528045392;asciilifeform;!!up yesplease 1820412;1528045393;deedbot;yesplease voiced for 30 minutes. 1820413;1528048745;asciilifeform;for truly dedicated entomologist, the whole thing >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8Z6bQ/?raw=true << 13337 w4r3z 1820414;1528048918;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-may-2018-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), May 2018 Statement 1820415;1528048940;asciilifeform;ave1: i am setting up a rockchip board to test your gnat ! 1820416;1528048949;asciilifeform;( amd64 gnat -- works ! ) 1820417;1528049036;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'an overearly modification' link is broken 1820418;1528049045;mircea_popescu;hmm 1820419;1528049105;mircea_popescu;doh. ty. 1820420;1528050367;asciilifeform;ave1: btw the parallelism worx great, thing builds on dulap in <1hr 1820421;1528050374;asciilifeform;all 4 compilers 1820422;1528050461;asciilifeform;( -j32 ) 1820423;1528050554;asciilifeform;... a rk3328-roc-cc is now ready, now loading the tarball to it, about to come to the magic moment 1820424;1528050662;asciilifeform;!!up mitch_callahan 1820425;1528050663;deedbot;mitch_callahan voiced for 30 minutes. 1820426;1528050922;asciilifeform;aaaaaand it worx !! 1820427;1528050961;asciilifeform;ch10 ffa builds a (stripped) 320kB elf 1820428;1528051091;mircea_popescu;hey. 1820429;1528051093;asciilifeform;which passes test. 1820430;1528051471;asciilifeform;on ch10 ffa: exponentiator test from end of ch.7 runs in 9.2s on dulap, and 28.4s on the test rk3328-roc-cc machine, producing correct output. 1820431;1528051621;asciilifeform;aaaaand hammingweight-independent constanttimeism on arm64 confirmed. 1820432;1528051636;mircea_popescu;ha! 1820433;1528051648;asciilifeform;well recall, this is soft-innerloopmul variant. 1820434;1528051717;asciilifeform;diana_coman : musltronic gnat on arm64 confirmed to work ! 1820435;1528051766;diana_coman;oh hey, that's great news! thanks for the ping asciilifeform ; and thanks ave1 for the script; I'll add it to the list to get on the rockchip 1820436;1528051838;asciilifeform;diana_coman: all you gotta do is build, then put the tarball on your rc box, extract, and add to .bashrc e.g. PATH="/home/stas/gnat/aarch64-linux-musl-native/bin/:$PATH"; export PATH and you're up & running. 1820437;1528051893;diana_coman;will do tomorrow and report back 1820438;1528051911;asciilifeform;... this also means that c101pa ( as soon as i have a ready to roll firmware for it ) will be an out-of-the-box gnat dev station. 1820439;1528051936;diana_coman;sounds great to me 1820440;1528051947;asciilifeform;( mine's in pieces, presently, i am soldering a firmware refill umbilical to it ) 1820441;1528051989;asciilifeform;( see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820249 ) 1820442;1528051989;a111;Logged on 2018-06-02 18:36 asciilifeform: meanwhile, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820197 folx were right : >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_spirom.jpg 1820443;1528052175;asciilifeform;!!rate ave1 3 baked a working retargetable, musltronic gnat ; see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820427 1820444;1528052175;a111;Logged on 2018-06-03 18:36 asciilifeform: ch10 ffa builds a (stripped) 320kB elf 1820445;1528052177;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/56ZTW/?raw=true 1820446;1528052216;asciilifeform;!!v 3698DDABEEEB8FC1ECD805E04E22C9E96FCE12264CBF60C7553A8CA582BB4CDF 1820447;1528052217;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of ave1 from 3 to 3 << baked a working retargetable, musltronic gnat ; see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820427 1820448;1528052602;asciilifeform;aaaand now i'ma have it build itself (and amd64, etc) , on that very same arm box. 1820449;1528052610;asciilifeform;prolly will chug for day or 2. 1820450;1528052649;asciilifeform;( for bonus slowness, this one's running off a sd card.. ) 1820451;1528052702;asciilifeform;the next step will be to get the dep tarball links the hell off adacore's www, and onto our own cuntoo mirror. 1820452;1528052746;asciilifeform;after that : to patch the gcc , to cure http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819935 ill. 1820453;1528052746;a111;Logged on 2018-05-30 19:40 asciilifeform: musltronic static elf does seem to contain ~something~ that varies; looks to be the right size for timestamp turd. definitely on the conveyor. 1820454;1528052822;asciilifeform;upstack -- rk3328-roc-cc , in case anyone forgot, is a 4core beast; c101pa is a rk3399 with 6 core. oughta be snappier for builds. 1820455;1528052830;asciilifeform;(mine is a 2GHz, even) 1820456;1528053654;asciilifeform;oh btw ave1's script also has working interrupt/resume nao. 1820457;1528053658;asciilifeform;pretty neat. 1820458;1528053712;asciilifeform;the makeopts in the config files dun do anything, tho, you gotta e.g. export MAKEOPTS="-j32 in your shell prior to building. 1820459;1528059864;mod6;<+jurov> mod6: of course it has all of them, most of the balance predates the fork. << ah, ok. well whatever makes the most sense. if we can make some BTC out of it, great, if it's a huge pain, meh. 1820460;1528064837;asciilifeform;!Q later tell ave1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J7Aey/?raw=true << amd64 gnat dun build on arm64. 1820461;1528064837;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1820462;1528068536;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2382 << Loper OS - Open Problem: Forcing MaskROM Mode on the Asus C101PA 1820463;1528079046;asciilifeform;https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-03#22252959; << in further lulz 1820464;1528080510;mircea_popescu;anything there besides whisperersing ? 1820465;1528080736;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: d00d grudgingly revealed a few hidden boobytraps, that each would take coupla wks at least, otherwise, to defuse. 1820466;1528080751;mircea_popescu;a. nice then. 1820467;1528080757;asciilifeform;and confessed re where the mislabeled vendor src lives. 1820468;1528080776;asciilifeform;( building it, is a whole new mountain of shit to climb ) 1820469;1528080809;mircea_popescu;he's evidently involved with the thing, is he. 1820470;1528080814;asciilifeform;funnily enuff, i think he was the builder. 1820471;1528080834;mircea_popescu;heh 1820472;1528080950;asciilifeform;i specifically lulled over ( and in prev thread in that heathen pit, similarly ) the 'security model' 1820473;1528081096;asciilifeform;!!up yesplease 1820474;1528081096;deedbot;yesplease voiced for 30 minutes. 1820475;1528081107;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is this one of your pets ? 1820476;1528081112;mircea_popescu;not yet. 1820477;1528081119;asciilifeform;been joinparting all day 1820478;1528081123;asciilifeform;aa 1820479;1528081124;mircea_popescu;i know ;/ 1820480;1528081135;mircea_popescu;what am i to do, everyone's on phonese apparently. 1820481;1528081141;asciilifeform;lolk 1820482;1528081158;mircea_popescu;and i have this friend who's been working on making a portable computer 1820483;1528081162;mircea_popescu;but not quite there yet. 1820484;1528081164;asciilifeform;perhaps soon we can issue real comps to folx like this. 1820485;1528081168;asciilifeform;ahahayes 1820486;1528081169;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1820487;1528081253;asciilifeform;it's a pretty spiffy, ironwise, comp. costs less than a third of what ipnoje costs, even. 1820488;1528081266;mircea_popescu;i'm with you, it'll be a great thing once done. 1820489;1528081333;asciilifeform;incidentally ~same pill will work to cure other arm64 chrome iron. afaik the c101pa is the only one with ips panel tho, currently. 1820490;1528081952;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in some other channel, http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-04.log.html#t03:11:12 1820491;1528081959;mircea_popescu;oh, it doesn't read ? 1820492;1528081971;mircea_popescu; --- end of auction list, 372.264mn total bids --- 1820493;1528083621;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-country-for-old-men/ << Trilema - No country for old men 1820494;1528083720;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron, ^ if you still care 1820495;1528086270;ave1;asciilifeform, could you post the contents of ' build/build-x86_64-linux-musl/binutils-2.25.1/build1/config.log'? 1820496;1528086270;lobbesbot;ave1: Sent 2 days, 4 hours, and 59 minutes ago: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820193 << yes it worx! 1820497;1528086271;lobbesbot;ave1: Sent 5 hours and 57 minutes ago: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J7Aey/?raw=true << amd64 gnat dun build on arm64. 1820498;1528086277;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: enjoying the RE hunt posts 1820499;1528086360;ave1;asciilifeform, also what is in the build-ada.sh? the last line on aarch64 should read: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada aarch64 x86_64 1820500;1528089249;lobbes;mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-04.log.html#t03:11:12 1820501;1528089249;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-06-04 03:11:12: --- end of auction list, 372.264mn total bids --- 1820502;1528089251;lobbes;^^ reads, but there is a ~1 min lag from when line is spit out until it hits lobbesbot's db (logs and bot are on separate boxen, and the logs feed the bot). 1820503;1528089259;lobbes;On my todo list is prop up an instance of the tmsr logbot on my pizarro rockchip and redo the #eulora logs to be fed from that. I built the #eulora log-o-tron back in 2015, and back then I had just typed 'ls' for the first time in my life, so I wager I can make the whole process much saner this time around. 1820504;1528089275;mircea_popescu;sure thing. 1820505;1528089358;lobbes;but relatedly to the quote, I am pretty happy to see the auction business booming again :D 1820506;1528089386;mircea_popescu;pretty cool yeah 1820507;1528090423;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812127 << btw, this has been working like a charm for the download part of the archive process. I was able to do away with the phantomjs-crapolade completely. 1820508;1528090423;a111;Logged on 2018-05-11 05:12 mircea_popescu: lobbes : curl --cookie "__cfduid=dd16c67421dbb9d1705d6bf28b3fa898c1525574538" -A "TMSR fucks cloudflare" http://archive.today/download/AvNme.zip > AvNme.zip 1820509;1528090425;lobbes;Best part is that the same cookie can be used for -any- download link from archive.today, and each cookie is good for 5 months, so I didn't even need to automate the scraping bit. 1820510;1528090435;*;lobbes to bed 1820511;1528090448;mircea_popescu;tada 1820512;1528099180;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2018/06/04/pizarro-statement-may-2018/ << PizzaroISP - Pizarro Statement, May 2018 1820513;1528099184;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: smoosh footnotes down to the bottom of the page pls 1820514;1528099202;*;ben_vulpes bbl 1820515;1528118918;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/04/rocking-fuckgoats-on-the-rock-chip/ << Ossasepia - Rocking Fuckgoats on the Rock-chip 1820516;1528121470;mod6;mornin' TMSR~ 1820517;1528121612;mod6;ben_vulpes: thanks for posting the report for May. 1820518;1528121653;mod6;does '6 x 8GB uSD' mean, 6 x 8GB micro SD cards ? 1820519;1528122845;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: smoosh footnotes down to the bottom of the page pls << Will see what I can do about this 1820520;1528123202;mod6;lol shithub sale to m$ 1820521;1528123546;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/microsoft-acquires-github-in-all-stock-transaction/ << Qntra - Microsoft Acquires Github In All Stock Transaction 1820522;1528123556;BingoBoingo;Dammit mod6 you scooped the headline by minutes 1820523;1528123710;mod6;my bad 1820524;1528123763;BingoBoingo;Nah, my bad 1820525;1528123861;mod6;paid in m$ stock. bwahaha. 1820526;1528124401;BingoBoingo;4srs 1820527;1528124657;asciilifeform;diana_coman: very spiffy; i have added your tests to the FG www links. 1820528;1528128091;BingoBoingo;!!up alex__c 1820529;1528128092;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes. 1820530;1528129091;mircea_popescu;in other hystericals, http://trilema.com/2018/mps-guide-to-getting-crabs/#comment-125878 1820531;1528130542;diana_coman;asciilifeform, cheers 1820532;1528130677;diana_coman;ahaha, tmsr=temeswar warum nicht 1820533;1528130718;mircea_popescu;:D 1820534;1528131610;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820367 << there isn't one, there is a peculiar bug that seems to only manifest in my lispworks dev environment. things actually work on production, though the patch page is 20mb 1820535;1528131610;a111;Logged on 2018-06-03 04:11 mircea_popescu: phf, what's the limit ? 1820536;1528131625;mircea_popescu;hm 1820537;1528131672;phf;i'm not sure how practical that makes patch page though, it definitely doesn't open on my x60. i could perhaps introduce some split mode, where patch page only lists the hunk filenames, and you need to click on hunk to see the contents 1820538;1528131678;asciilifeform;( in unrelated entomo-lulz : https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-04#22258989 ) 1820539;1528132020;asciilifeform;in other funnies: the preface in http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/trb-build-instructions.html . 1820540;1528132110;mircea_popescu;phf, part of the reason i keep having things sit on other things is to find out what the fuck we need to do. 1820541;1528132118;mircea_popescu;is the idea here that code should never be that long, basically ? 1820542;1528132185;asciilifeform;^ 1820543;1528132286;asciilifeform;( seealso, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793733 ) 1820544;1528132286;a111;Logged on 2018-04-06 21:12 asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space 1820545;1528132287;phf;right, that was the original idea, as evangelized by ascii. btcbase patch viewer is designed with that idea in mind 1820546;1528132419;phf;i can obviously fix btcbase to be more useful (i.e. continue to aid the patch exploration) in cases where a patch is big, but in general a 9mb patch seems to go against the whole fits in head 1820547;1528132477;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: amazing self depth-plumbing butthurt 1820548;1528132543;mircea_popescu;well technically a 9mb genesis. 1820549;1528132545;asciilifeform;phf: trb is, what, 800kB, and already imho 'weighs' ~10+ yrs worth of study to fully grasp 1820550;1528132557;mircea_popescu;see, it rests in between "here's a blob of strange, 100mb long" and "here's a sane genesis" 1820551;1528132573;mircea_popescu;and we do have some such blobs in the process, so far. 1820552;1528132595;*;asciilifeform disagrees that any proggy's src has any business whatsoever weighing 1MB, much less 9MB 1820553;1528132610;mircea_popescu;legacy items, alf. 1820554;1528132616;asciilifeform;when approaching this mass, really oughta start cutting into orthogonal subsystems. and if you can't cut, the design is broken. 1820555;1528132624;mircea_popescu;how are they to be digested, if we deliberately make the tools we use unable to grab them ? 1820556;1528132649;mircea_popescu;first step of any digestion is, gotta stuff it in the gullet. enzymes afterwards. 1820557;1528132661;mircea_popescu;the alternative process (as displayed by some spiders etc) is very limited. 1820558;1528132665;asciilifeform;all else being equal, tool that laughs at arbitrary masses of payload is theoretically better ( if folx can be trusted to 'keep it in their pants' and not to use it as excuse for bloat ) 1820559;1528132673;asciilifeform;but history of pc , suggests grimly that they cannot 1820560;1528132683;mircea_popescu;this'd be my reasoning. just because you shouldn't doesn't mean you should couldn't. 1820561;1528132686;asciilifeform;fast comp -- breeds bloat, apparently. 1820562;1528132823;asciilifeform;nao, if phf can make his vtron handle 'arbitrary' (say, up to avail. ram) masses, and without losing anything, moar power to him. but in practice something is usually sacrificed, in the name of speed/efficiency, is the worrisome bit. 1820563;1528132833;asciilifeform;( as described by naggum & elsewhere, in the 'bathtub' piece ) 1820564;1528132859;phf;mp-wp is 162093 loc, 6062 of which are containered gif/png. so it's not even that base64 blobs are adding to weight. the codebase is massive 1820565;1528132933;asciilifeform;trb is, what, 25k-loc. 1820566;1528132958;phf;yeap 1820567;1528132983;asciilifeform;( not counting, naturally, openssl, bdb, etc ) 1820568;1528133172;mircea_popescu;phf, it also has the advantage that it works, and VERY well. which to my knowledge is not true of any other piece of web software (alf's complaints notwithstanding, phuctor emergent codebase may qualify) 1820569;1528133207;asciilifeform;i fully believe it 1820570;1528133222;mircea_popescu;will you go as far as to say that writing a general purpose scriptable webatron (apache) and a "separate" (notrly) db system (mysql) is the wrong solution, and one should just write his blog software in c directly ? 1820571;1528133244;asciilifeform;( funnily enuff, asciilifeform has ~own~ 'mp-wp' , made from ~same vintage of wp, that does admittedly only half of what mircea_popescu's does ( i dun have the spam filtration ) ) 1820572;1528133247;mircea_popescu;because it is not directly evident to me what portion of the 162k loc (granted -- insane count) is due to the tower of chairs arrangement. 1820573;1528133286;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, this is quite what i'm saying, a web publishing platform we will want, and phf is in a prime posityion to appreciate the gargantuan task of "make it from prime principles", i think. 1820574;1528133298;mircea_popescu;considering his blog still doesn't win any beauty contests mine participates in. 1820575;1528133349;mircea_popescu;to be clear, i'm not for a second disputing that such piles of lines of "code" are a scandal and an outrage before god. but i wish to know what we're to do. 1820576;1528133358;asciilifeform;actually i suspect that this is one of those items that will be very short and sweet , when made from first principles under a future http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789682 system 1820577;1528133358;a111;Logged on 2018-03-26 14:28 asciilifeform: recall the gc discussion . 'scripting lang is one where progy dun live long enuff to need gc' 1820578;1528133368;phf;mircea_popescu: oh i'm not suggesting there's folly here, i'm a) thinking of how to better slice the beast and b) pointing out that it's not even a container issue 1820579;1528133395;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1820580;1528133411;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's also the 2nd order effect, whereby by interacting with heretics you find out stuff like "hey, i have a memory leak" 1820581;1528133417;mircea_popescu;or w/e it is that you have in there. 1820582;1528133511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, in theory this is a theory, but in practice his comments are still weird looking. 1820583;1528133548;asciilifeform;junkyard wars (e.g. trb, mp-wp) where one is stuck welding a tank from 5 zaporozhets and 3 lada carcasses, because that's what there is to work with, inevitably are heavyweight 1820584;1528133553;asciilifeform;this is not a susprise, i think. 1820585;1528133558;asciilifeform;*surprise 1820586;1528133561;asciilifeform;to anyone. 1820587;1528133623;mircea_popescu;the other problem still remains : if it is not republican doctrine to have a scriptable webatron with a separable but not separate dbsystem, then ~what is it~. 1820588;1528133647;phf;just to clarify my blog is mp-wp, i just bastardized the theme to the point of "improvements" being worse than original 1820589;1528133649;mircea_popescu;and if it is, then what's wrong with php, and delineated specifically. or what, we're gonna use lua ? 1820590;1528133663;mircea_popescu;phf, oh really ? i thought you had a lisp competitor. 1820591;1528133680;asciilifeform;iirc we had a thread, where asciilifeform outlined a proper scripting lang. 1820592;1528133702;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as a proper scripting lang in general, though. that's why it even is ~a~ scripting lang, because it's by the task 1820593;1528133706;asciilifeform;( tldr : something like 'tinyscheme', but in heapless ada, and with deliberately no gc ) 1820594;1528133711;mircea_popescu;and here we're looking at a html pre-processor scripting lang 1820595;1528133730;asciilifeform;asciilifeform in particular is looking to ditch python, bash, etc box of rusty nails. 1820596;1528133736;mircea_popescu;and we don't even have a formally declared tmsr-html spec. 1820597;1528133745;mircea_popescu;fuck me if i'm including all the dumbass css bs. 1820598;1528133746;phf;i think someone else here had a lisp implementation, but that one lacked comments entirely 1820599;1528133754;asciilifeform;html replacement is orthogonal, imho, problem. 1820600;1528133756;mircea_popescu;phf, possibly spyked's. 1820601;1528133761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it is. 1820602;1528133761;asciilifeform;spyked . 1820603;1528133785;mircea_popescu;i'm just saying, it's not ~just~ mp-wp that's an eyesore here. in truth it's our whole relationship to the www that's at issue. 1820604;1528133844;asciilifeform;this -- is true. scripting lang, however, has a place in life outside of wwwism -- for throwaway experiments, e.g. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html , and similar 1820605;1528133851;mircea_popescu;and i don't believe www is dead tech. it may need some changes, but as such, the convenience is there, girls reading logs on gym exercise machine mounted tablets. 1820606;1528133861;asciilifeform;sure. 1820607;1528133870;asciilifeform;no moar than vt100 is 'dead tech' 1820608;1528133875;mircea_popescu;quite. 1820609;1528133877;mircea_popescu;it's too simple to die. 1820610;1528133881;asciilifeform;i use it every day, even tho i have never touched original vt. 1820611;1528133885;mircea_popescu;right. 1820612;1528133933;asciilifeform;( funnily enuff, the pain of 'modern' html, exactly mirrors the pain of vt 'enhanced' with 'terminal control' gnarl, 35 yrs ago ) 1820613;1528133940;mircea_popescu;yes! 1820614;1528133962;mircea_popescu;the same idiots always enhance cunt the same god damned way, a good dose of the clap. 1820615;1528133974;asciilifeform;imho, part of smart engineering is to know not to do this. 'jet engine welded to zaporozhets'. 1820616;1528133979;mircea_popescu;or to quote the unknown russian, "you have disease of capitalist" 1820617;1528133995;mircea_popescu;"you fuck it, it only gets heavy, and you still not hit largest side of barn" 1820618;1528134166;asciilifeform;disease of konsoomer. 1820619;1528134231;asciilifeform;( tho, -- iirc it was orlol -- had a pertinent piece, on the unremovable disincentive for market players against selling durable, quality items that never need replacement or 'upgrade' etc ) 1820620;1528134338;asciilifeform;'i sold indestructible, perfect $tool to all $n possible buyers, nao what do i eat' 1820621;1528134386;mircea_popescu;man... this is like proposing fucking a slavegirl well is a bad idea, what'll she need you for if you do. 1820622;1528134473;asciilifeform;some activities have this problem, others not ( restauranteurs do not have to contend with a 'i dun need to eat, i already ate in 2011' ) 1820623;1528134556;mircea_popescu;from experience, the more solid code delivered, the more demand for further solid code. 1820624;1528134573;mircea_popescu;what, i should write the same god damned thing every six months, like those idiots doing "cms solutions" for "Web development" "tech firms" ? 1820625;1528134597;mircea_popescu;ty, but i'd much rather COMPLETE THINGS. 1820626;1528134648;asciilifeform;again in some subfields there is a famine of solid code, in others -- not ( the payware c compiler people, microshit aside, mostly have starved, afaik ) 1820627;1528134652;mircea_popescu;so they're fucking done. permanently. and there's nothing left for http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/#selection-97.1-52.45 posterity. 1820628;1528134729;asciilifeform;the 'web dev' nonsense where 'same code written every 6mo' is symptom of a poorly-defined problem to begin with; sorta like wound sutures that reopen 1820629;1528134745;asciilifeform;not merely of poor programming. 1820630;1528135008;mircea_popescu;it's symptom of "every biosack has will to live" nonsense. what, they're all gonna be entrepreneurs. pshaw. 1820631;1528135042;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had an article where 'the carpenter said, i will stand here and hold the wall up, for small fee..' 1820632;1528135090;mircea_popescu;god help us. 1820633;1528135915;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/qntra-sqntr-may-2018-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2018 Statement 1820634;1528136017;mircea_popescu;will be adding the shares presently. 1820635;1528140722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, we didn't sell/pay anything this month, did we ? 1820636;1528140813;asciilifeform;not afaik 1820637;1528140883;asciilifeform;( tho i am certainly hoping to begin selling pre-cured c101pa boxen in ~this~ mo ) 1820638;1528140895;mircea_popescu;o hey! cool. anything else i should put in ? 1820639;1528141000;asciilifeform;a rockchip cluster under snsa banner , for pizarro, also under construction ( currently still in component search phase ) , construction also planned for this mo 1820640;1528141018;mircea_popescu;right-o. 1820641;1528141023;asciilifeform;( no expenditure items yet on this proj ) 1820642;1528146613;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2018 Statement 1820643;1528146634;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, ^ lemme know if anything. 1820644;1528146639;mircea_popescu;and man is it releiving to be done reporting. 1820645;1528146992;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820437 <- I can very gladly report that it works! I've re-built gnat on an x86_64; took the aarch64-native to the rockchip; unpacked, set, compiled ffa ch1 and ran, all perfectly fine; ave1 you rock! 1820646;1528146992;a111;Logged on 2018-06-03 18:51 diana_coman: will do tomorrow and report back 1820647;1528147367;diana_coman;!!v F0D3BF6C74645C228DA0009E4B47A1E8956EE9308AE21F956F13B504227D9A4F 1820648;1528147368;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of ave1 from 2 to 3 << made the very useful scripts to compile gnat for various architectures as well as other useful ada & ada+c bits; does a lot and talks a little, always on point though; writes at ave1.org 1820649;1528147692;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loox good ! 1820650;1528147720;asciilifeform;diana_coman: neato 1820651;1528148266;mircea_popescu;this is pretty fucking cool. 1820652;1528158494;mircea_popescu;so reading historical qntra or should i say hysterical qntra is quite the fucking riot, but, BingoBoingo or anyone, where\s the article about the moronic french "agents" that texted to their "jihadist" suspect ? 1820653;1528158697;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/11/paris-mass-shooters-used-plaintext-sms-to-coordinate/ ? 1820654;1528158710;mircea_popescu;nah 1820655;1528158736;mircea_popescu;https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/french-intelligence-texts-jihadist-mistake-inadvertently-warning/ 1820656;1528158738;mircea_popescu;this item 1820657;1528158882;mircea_popescu;"The incident came as France remains under a state of emergency declared after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks. 1820658;1528158882;mircea_popescu;Some of the emergency measures, notably beefed up police powers, are to be made permanent under a bill that has been approved by the lower house of parliament, the National Assembly. 1820659;1528158882;mircea_popescu;Despite criticism that the legislation risks curtailing civil liberties because it codifies measures such as stop and seizure and house arrest without judicial review, most of the provisions are expected to stand." 1820660;1528158885;mircea_popescu;etcetera lulz. 1820661;1528158917;BingoBoingo; "The incident came as France remains under a state of emergency declared after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks. << http://qntra.net/2016/02/nth-french-republic-officially-dumps-freedom/ And http://qntra.net/2016/05/nth-french-republic-raids-local-google-outpost/ 1820662;1528158938;mircea_popescu;ok but this was a specific 2017 event 1820663;1528158941;BingoBoingo;The texting the Jihadi incident happened during the way too long downtime 1820664;1528158948;mircea_popescu;though it turns out it was during the time of qntra forced silence 1820665;1528158950;mircea_popescu;yeah 1820666;1528159611;asciilifeform;i dun recall if i mentioned : as of coupla wks ago, no moar 'emerge portage' on asciilifeform's-ban-masks gentoo boxen : it now ~demands~ gpg2 turd. 1820667;1528159664;asciilifeform;( hm, nm, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796255 ) 1820668;1528159664;a111;Logged on 2018-04-11 15:29 asciilifeform: speaking of which, apparently AS OF TODAY gentoo portage latest ver DEMANDS gpg2. 1820669;1528159823;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/le-grand-blond-avec-une-chaussure-noire/ << Trilema - Le grand blond avec une chaussure noire 1820670;1528160675;esthlos;trinque: I might be being thick, but your link http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820306 doesn't work for me, and I don't see the post on the rest of your site. have you posted the manifest spec somewhere? 1820671;1528160675;a111;Logged on 2018-06-02 21:47 trinque: bugger, it's actually http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/ 1820672;1528160732;ben_vulpes;works here, esthlos 1820673;1528160741;ben_vulpes;what do you see on his homepage? 1820674;1528160784;esthlos;last post 2017/12/30, the WIP Cuntoo installer 1820675;1528160798;ben_vulpes;wonder if your dns is hosed? 1820676;1528160829;ben_vulpes;i see manifest draf, art car parade, and then the cuntoo instapper 1820677;1528160832;ben_vulpes;installer* 1820678;1528160847;mircea_popescu;esthlos, every link that goes in chan is also found at https://archive.is/http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/ 1820679;1528160852;ben_vulpes;have you tried restarting your house 1820680;1528160856;esthlos;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wh24M/?raw=true ? 1820681;1528160866;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/04/visiting-some-real-estates-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Visiting Some Real Estates In Montevideo 1820682;1528160878;mircea_popescu;anyway, likely problem is trinque's blog doesn't neatly redirect changed names ? 1820683;1528160880;esthlos;mircea_popescu: nice, thanks 1820684;1528160920;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: seems to do that as well 1820685;1528160967;mircea_popescu;confirmed. 1820686;1528161014;mircea_popescu;in other items of little interest, holy shit ben affleck is a repugnant, fucktarded enemy of human civilisation. 1820687;1528161028;BingoBoingo;Duh 1820688;1528161045;mircea_popescu;so he makes this piece of shit thing, "gigli" right ? and it's "mobster" (because he's cool, right ? like, cool kid ?) meets retard and discovers how cool retards really are!!! 1820689;1528161085;mircea_popescu;it could happen to you too! and if it didn't, it's because you're nopt as cool as hebe shit-fleck, doing inept "check me out, mom, i have sex fantasies with harvey keitel" monologues in laundromats. 1820690;1528161128;mircea_popescu;whole fucking pile also incidentally providing a vehicle for that moron dancer girl what's her name, to pretend like a name can possibly be wasted on her dumb ass. "condition of women" holy shit, she's a poor immigrant dancer already. 1820691;1528161132;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820639 build as s.nsa, sell to pizarro? 1820692;1528161132;a111;Logged on 2018-06-04 19:36 asciilifeform: a rockchip cluster under snsa banner , for pizarro, also under construction ( currently still in component search phase ) , construction also planned for this mo 1820693;1528161144;mircea_popescu;how the fuck to these assholes manage to reconstruct stalinism without stalin! 1820694;1528161160;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes, was a whole thread, saw it ? 1820695;1528161217;ben_vulpes;i must have missed it, may i have a pointer? 1820696;1528161244;ben_vulpes;oh oh the "your time" thread. 1820697;1528161276;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814382 more or less 1820698;1528161276;a111;Logged on 2018-05-16 15:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814276 << yes, but this encounters the following problem : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-16#1373235 ; while obviously this won't go as far as "every idea alf has", nevertheless by the time alf makes objects, and independently from nsa, then what is nsa ? 1820699;1528161293;ben_vulpes;yesyes, ty 1820700;1528161338;mircea_popescu;anyway, item is going to be delivered below the original estimate you had anyway, from what i gather. 1820701;1528161344;esthlos;doh, I had trinque's ip set to the old in /etc/hosts, from when I tried to follow mircea_popescu 's advice and disable dns lol 1820702;1528161366;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: will be cool! 1820703;1528161620;trinque;loller 1820704;1528161704;trinque;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9jdLP/?raw=true 1820705;1528161709;deedbot;accepted: 1 1820706;1528161716;trinque;esthlos: ^ gns updated 1820707;1528161772;mircea_popescu;in other news, toasted almonds, black chocolate and milk coffee ftw. 1820708;1528162049;ben_vulpes;black chocolate and milk coffee? 1820709;1528162819;mircea_popescu;perversity! 1820710;1528162852;ben_vulpes;aah. 1820711;1528163538;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in ancient lulzfests, https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/5e/cc/2b5eccd7dfe99006f7c784a46c56696b.jpg 1820712;1528163769;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/electroneum/status/1003021173012271104 ; amusingly forgets to mention http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ 1820713;1528166719;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-526053.txt 1820714;1528171173;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/further-gay-bullshit-todo-sobre-mi-madre-la-mala-educacion/ << Trilema - Further Gay Bullshit : Todo sobre mi madre & La mala educacion 1820715;1528192811;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/ << Trilema - When Cherri met Rae, Rae also met Cherri 1820716;1528200644;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/072-trilemabot-i.html << The Tar Pit - trilemabot [i]: introduction and self-voicing patch proposal 1820717;1528200676;spyked;^ comments, suggestions, tomatoes and eggs are more than welcome. 1820718;1528200908;spyked;my next steps will be, in order: 1. add prefixed commands to trilemabot (and publish); 2. add (and publish) command and parsing for !!gettrust queries (required for rss bot access control); 3. rebase current rss bot on trilemabot and add access control; 4. bring rss bot in #trilema; 5. publish rss bot code 1820719;1528201107;spyked;step 5 will probably need to be broken into multiple sub-steps, since I will have to also publish a rss parser first, then a rss bot design document, and only then the code. 1820720;1528201171;spyked;aaaand rssbot code currently weighs circa 400LoC, so I'ma probably also have to break that into testable pieces. not sure yet. 1820721;1528201898;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820598 <-- indeed it does, and precisely because of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820603 . I don't know how to design a proper comment mechanism, not necessarily because of spam (I believe mp-wp antispam works), but because I'm not convinced that everyone coming on the blog should be able to leave comments, and if they do, then what format (text-only?) etc. 1820722;1528201898;a111;Logged on 2018-06-04 17:35 phf: i think someone else here had a lisp implementation, but that one lacked comments entirely 1820723;1528201898;a111;Logged on 2018-06-04 17:36 mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, it's not ~just~ mp-wp that's an eyesore here. in truth it's our whole relationship to the www that's at issue. 1820724;1528202370;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820568 <-- I also suspect that that's much of the cost of "works". leaving comments aside, thetarpit blog scaffolding is a few kLoC of CL, but lacks *any* editor-side interface (an item such as e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799520 would have to be done the old-fashioned way, moving the files manually or through ssh and maybe script this somehow, but it would be a *separate* piece of 1820725;1528202370;a111;Logged on 2018-06-04 17:26 mircea_popescu: phf, it also has the advantage that it works, and VERY well. which to my knowledge is not true of any other piece of web software (alf's complaints notwithstanding, phuctor emergent codebase may qualify) 1820726;1528202370;a111;Logged on 2018-04-15 04:19 mircea_popescu: hanbot / everyone : speaking of patches for mp-wp, here's something i'd dearly love : a MASS uploader. so you don't have to upload files one by one in the webinterface. 1820727;1528202376;spyked;scaffolding), a xml-rpc handling mechanism, and many many others that the wp user may find useful; it has no dedicated db, the db is the filesystem; no web-based editor, etc. 1820728;1528202632;spyked;plus, I tried at some point to bring in server-side dynamic content ( http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html ), but the cost of all those dependencies is still (from my pov too) big. 1820729;1528202771;spyked;in other work: does anyone object to my taking the next available prefix in http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html for spykedbot? !S fits it quite well. 1820730;1528202977;spyked;I'm reserving another bot for the rss functionality. but I want to use spykedbot to make a small trilemabot example for implementing prefixed commands. spoiler: I have some code that looks up definitions in asciilifeform's ro-en dictionary ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 ), it's the smallest application that I could find that also does something useful. 1820731;1528208642;BingoBoingo;In local tard fights https://www.elobservador.com.uy/una-empresa-iba-quedarse-el-monopolio-cobro-bolsas-plasticas-aplazan-proyecto-n1239018 1820732;1528208722;BingoBoingo;Plan de disponibilidad: El Ministerio de Vivienda (Mvotma) deberá elaborar un plan para la inmediata disponibilidad de las bolsas plásticas y el Ministerio de Industria con coordinación con el Mvotma elaborará un programa para facilitar la reconversión de la industria nacional de bolsas. 1820733;1528209358;mod6;mornin' 1820734;1528209536;BingoBoingo;mornin 1820735;1528209833;mod6;how's it goin? 1820736;1528209919;BingoBoingo;Not bad 1820737;1528211494;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/colombia-joining-nato-as-a-global-partner/ << Qntra - Colombia Joining NATO As A "Global Partner" 1820738;1528215563;mircea_popescu;spyked, that was relievingly breif. 1820739;1528215643;mircea_popescu;http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/src/trilemabot/ however does not seem to resolve ? 1820740;1528216667;phf;resolves to 82.79.58.192 for me 1820741;1528216738;mircea_popescu;now i see it. 1820742;1528216761;phf;i like trinque's approach of publishing deeded hosts, requires vigilance on part of log reader, but at the end there's a canonical place we can fallback to, in case 1820743;1528216791;mircea_popescu;yes. his intuition is correct, eventually will grow into gns. 1820744;1528216941;mircea_popescu;spyked, the first portion is interesting imo. why shouldn't anyone be able to live comments ? something in the vein of "if every tree was carved any time anyone on the trail thought about some girl, we'd have toothpick forests" ? 1820745;1528217174;mircea_popescu;commentary is the heart of the european intellectual tradition ; originally it seemed like such a step forward to have this commentary sorted by subject rather than, in the old style, by author. and the technology allowing it seemed genuinely revolutionary for this reason, exactly in the vein of plumbing. 1820746;1528217177;mircea_popescu;these days... 1820747;1528217406;mircea_popescu;"thetarpit blog scaffolding is a few kLoC of CL, but lacks *any* editor-side interface" << understand something : i publish more than anyone, and by anyone we don't mean solo operators, we mean whole fucking outfits. there's a reason for this. the fact that trilema is comfortable to me provides those last edges of extra productivity and intellectual leverage that convert exceptional performance into mindblowing performance. t 1820748;1528217408;mircea_popescu;his is not a small matter, but in fact the only large matter. 1820749;1528217437;mircea_popescu;in short, that's a ~HUMONGOUS~ cost, if the "mechanical support" alters the result from + to -. 1820750;1528217456;mircea_popescu;there's coffee machines that make you not really want any coffee. this is not merely a bad coffee machine. 1820751;1528217548;mircea_popescu;you wanna drive cars that make you love driving and wanting to drive, not jalopys that encourage you sitting on the couch. and the same for everything everywhere. the stories about kids ruined for school because couldn't see and no glasses aren't made up, this was the scourge of a generation. and on it goes. 1820752;1528217900;mircea_popescu;spyked, !S it is. 1820753;1528218178;phf;i think anti-comment is a recent (3-4 years) argument, started by a bunch of "high profile bloggers", who, after running into some heavy polemic, turned off the comments on their sites. the argument was then picked up by the various "minimalist" blogging systems (we can't be arsed to implement comments, but kottke said they are useless anyway) 1820754;1528218625;asciilifeform;relatedly, mircea_popescu-was-right(tm)(r), asciilifeform's blog nao has a broken stump instead of working commentron, because google's captcha crapola finally gave up the ghost, and nao i gotta figure out how to port mircea_popescu's routine... 1820755;1528218911;mircea_popescu;phf, it's recurrent, basically very much the http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ issue 1820756;1528218954;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dangling em in the footnotes 1820757;1528218956;mircea_popescu;"high profile bloggers" figure status and performance should be divorceable. this happens about 2-3 times every decade, with a new crop of "high profile bloggers" who a) misjudge their status and b) figure they'll discover shit. 1820758;1528218960;ben_vulpes;for when cherri met rae 1820759;1528218994;mircea_popescu;ti's very much highschooler syndrome. "oh, i guess we're the seniors now" "why ?" "do you see any other seniors in the cafeteria ?" "well, not in the cafeteria you go to" "word." 1820760;1528219012;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, not like i didn't WARN YOU!!11 1820761;1528219026;mircea_popescu;ty ben_vulpes 1820762;1528219037;mircea_popescu;btw, i hope that's adequate payment for all the j/p spam ? 1820763;1528219200;ben_vulpes;suuure boss 1820764;1528219293;phf;well, it's how many childhood games have the notion of a charm, a special word that gives you coveted status, without further strife. "base", "not it", "shotgun", etc. likewise the idea that once you're king, it's just wine and dancing girls for the rest of your life. the labeling game on which the whole house of cards is built. 1820765;1528219333;mircea_popescu;myeah. but it's so mean, you know, "oh, if we turn off comments then nobody will be able to rise to the top anymore ha-HA!!! we figured out something fundamental here!" 1820766;1528219369;mircea_popescu;it's this specific breakage, the web keeps exposing. there's apparently two ends to the pendulum : on one hand, the net routes around damage ; on the other hand, the more it does that, the more excited the damage gets about getting in the way. 1820767;1528219412;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/05/the-lack-of-dust-a-very-euloran-problem/ << Ossasepia - The Lack of Dust A Very Euloran Problem 1820768;1528219423;mircea_popescu;hence imbecile nonsense a la "paywall garden". because no, steve jobs ain't no fucking genius, he came up with the exact same idiocy every group of idle 18yos came up with. 1820769;1528219595;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would people who ~fundamentally disenjoy~ something nevertheless want to be "high profile" in it... this part is incomprehensible. really, talking to people is something you dislike doing and then you figure you wanna be a "high profile blogger" ? "yes mp, because it's all about shaping the landscape, not enjoying the landscape". right ? fucktard mcdullardson is going to ~improve~ upon how the world works. 1820770;1528219610;mircea_popescu;and their improvements always are the same tired old farmwife bs. 1820771;1528219626;mircea_popescu;and this is not something they ever notice. and so fucking on, bleah. 1820772;1528219631;mircea_popescu;whatever, ima depress myself at this rate. 1820773;1528219945;phf;well, it's the old age comes for us all, none of them want to be césar luciani, and very few prepared to knowingly don the armor one last time and die under the hail of arrows so to speak. (and i'm giving them a lot of credit here as far as how they lived to begin with) 1820774;1528219979;mircea_popescu;this'd be the problem. yes in the old days there was the lich and all that discussion. but fucking mind you that koschei was A WARRIOR in his fucking youth. 1820775;1528219988;mircea_popescu;not the guy in the drown, father, drown story. 1820776;1528224551;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis so here's one possible solution, for mp-wp genesis instead of listing hunks inline, i link them to separate pages: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/.htaccess http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/default_avatar.png.svg etc. 1820777;1528224631;phf;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform ^ 1820778;1528225239;phf;on the other hand http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_comments-fix is still rendered the usual way 1820779;1528226127;mircea_popescu;this may work. 1820780;1528227368;asciilifeform;in other lulz, crapple proclaims nomoar support for opengl on their 'os' 1820781;1528231267;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/miss-america-pageant-no-longer-a-pageant-or-about-beautiful-women/ << Qntra - Miss America Pageant No Longer A Pageant Or About Beautiful Women 1820782;1528231269;BingoBoingo;^ In still other lulz 1820783;1528240326;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/05/how-i-have-been-evaluating-securability-of-various-properties/ << Bingo Blog - How I Have Been Evaluating Securability Of Various Properties 1820784;1528240820;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: is there a selection anchor missing from the key link? 1820785;1528240917;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: No, the point is that it is a giant, visually impressive style of key, but the lock parts it engages with are palpable with the tip of the pinky finger. 1820786;1528240940;BingoBoingo;Key has disease of Latino capitalist 1820787;1528240991;BingoBoingo;Hay dildos de sexos mas pequeños que estas llaves. 1820788;1528241058;ben_vulpes;i felt the same way about the keys in buenos aires 1820789;1528241070;BingoBoingo;Likely the same disease 1820790;1528241084;ben_vulpes;place i rented had the weirdest damn nonstick pan: it had a nonstick coating but then an elevated metal grate atop the coating 1820791;1528241088;ben_vulpes;i could not fathom. 1820792;1528241105;ben_vulpes;(nor do i know how i'd have cleaned the thing, had i tried to use it) 1820793;1528241151;BingoBoingo;I have a pretty good idea of which corners of the feria the kitchen will be outfitted from. 1820794;1528245021;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes, possibly for deepfrying. 1820795;1528247474;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, seperation << it's separation you know. 1820796;1528249049;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820776 << i randomly picked one of the items to read, and choked on the riotously long lines 1820797;1528249049;a111;Logged on 2018-06-05 18:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis so here's one possible solution, for mp-wp genesis instead of listing hunks inline, i link them to separate pages: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/.htaccess http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/default_avatar.png.svg etc. 1820798;1528249596;phf;asciilifeform: right, not all of the svgs have multiline base64. and you'll notice that some of the files have windows newlines. i think mp-wp codebase is the one that would benefit the most from the autoformat tool discussed in logs.. 1820799;1528249651;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1820800;1528249661;mircea_popescu;layers and generations involved etc. 1820801;1528249723;phf;i ended up adding windows newline rendering support, which i'm rather pleased with, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/.htaccess though the pressed version is still broken.. http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/tree/blog/.htaccess 1820802;1528249745;mircea_popescu;heh 1820803;1528249916;phf;asciilifeform: is the usb plug on ROC purely power, or it also does tty? 1820804;1528249996;asciilifeform;power 1820805;1528250003;asciilifeform;tty lives on 2 header pins 1820806;1528250037;phf;oh ty 1820807;1528250469;asciilifeform;phf: are you setting up a tabletop rockchip ? 1820808;1528250505;asciilifeform;phf: if you're using mine, you will need to fix the sshd config to permit root login ( see the TomServo thread ). i really oughta post an updated image. 1820809;1528250796;lobbes;spyked: updated with spykedbot call command >> http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html 1820810;1528250832;phf;heh, i need that scope feature, but also a better query parser. (from:TomServo) (from:ascii "sshd") scope:15 1820811;1528285563;spyked;lobbes, hey ty! 1820812;1528285702;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820740 <-- ftr, most of my names point to this address and I expect them to for the foreseeable future. I'll follow in trinque's footsteps and deed it. 1820813;1528285702;a111;Logged on 2018-06-05 16:37 phf: resolves to 82.79.58.192 for me 1820814;1528286014;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820744 <-- yes, although I'm personally not convinced one way or the other. my q is, should "allcomers" (e.g. people without WoT presence) even be able to comment? I don't know, maybe the question itself has no merit, mircea_popescu is of course much more qualified than me to establish this. 1820815;1528286014;a111;Logged on 2018-06-05 16:42 mircea_popescu: spyked, the first portion is interesting imo. why shouldn't anyone be able to live comments ? something in the vein of "if every tree was carved any time anyone on the trail thought about some girl, we'd have toothpick forests" ? 1820816;1528286246;spyked;the question stemmed from "what are valid inputs for blogotron?", which led to "should comments be permitted for anons, or should they be predicated upon identity?". otherwise I very much like the current organization and I believe that venues that don't allow inline commenting (such as thetarpit in its current state) are only "half blogs", not fully. 1820817;1528286479;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820747 <-- I dun disagree at all. as far as the thought experiment goes, I still wonder, though, whether those edges of productivity follow from *all* the lines of mp-wp code and is more than the sum of each, or whether there's a lot of extra crud in there. perhaps overly naively/boyishly at the time, I started my (still ongoing) experiment the other way around ("what is the minimum number of lines to 1820818;1528286479;a111;Logged on 2018-06-05 16:50 mircea_popescu: "thetarpit blog scaffolding is a few kLoC of CL, but lacks *any* editor-side interface" << understand something : i publish more than anyone, and by anyone we don't mean solo operators, we mean whole fucking outfits. there's a reason for this. the fact that trilema is comfortable to me provides those last edges of extra productivity and intellectual leverage that convert exceptional performance into mindblowing performance. t 1820819;1528286485;spyked;spend to obtain sane blogging tool"). 1820820;1528286702;mircea_popescu;spyked, you read the cherri&rae dialogue ? 1820821;1528286714;spyked;yeah 1820822;1528286833;spyked;will have to give it a second pass to make some notes, the variety of subjects discussed blew my mind a bit. 1820823;1528287099;mircea_popescu;so my question to you is : should someone who ~doesn't even own a computer~ (because no, her retarded "iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 11_2 like Mac OS X)" eminently is not a computer, nor anything even remotely LIKE mac os x) be allowed to comment ? 1820824;1528287159;mircea_popescu;should billiardaires even talk to the lowly bank clerks on the internets ? just how haughty shall we get before there's really nothing left to talk about ? 1820825;1528287203;*;spyked sees mircea_popescu's point 1820826;1528287227;mircea_popescu;(that, btw, is a reference. to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlVuu0nhiUw ) 1820827;1528288395;spyked;anyway, given my limited experience with wp (nowadays I just lul at the attackers from republic of moldova trying to gain wp-admin access for the old blog), I am ready to admit that mp-wp's may be the optimal permeability of this membrane. I was even tempted to switch to mp-wp, but I'm hoping to see trilema antispam implemented in Lisp at some point in the future. 1820828;1528288451;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820781 <-- lol, I can't help it: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05a-july-theses.html#selection-384.0-384.1 , http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05a-july-theses.html#selection-342.0-342.1 and other places in that piece. 1820829;1528288451;a111;Logged on 2018-06-05 20:41 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/miss-america-pageant-no-longer-a-pageant-or-about-beautiful-women/ << Qntra - Miss America Pageant No Longer A Pageant Or About Beautiful Women 1820830;1528288480;mircea_popescu;word. stalinism without stalin, how the fuck is this even possible. 1820831;1528288491;mircea_popescu;they miss daddy, these people. 1820832;1528288619;spyked;how did it go: "ceausescu e o scoala / ceausescu e o boala". 1820833;1528288726;mircea_popescu;myeah, ie o floare, ie un crin, ie parfumul cel mai fin. 1820834;1528289487;mircea_popescu;do you know, by the way, they've managed to do away with multitasking ? 1820835;1528289505;mircea_popescu;"smart"phones for dumb people ; can only do 1 thing at a time, and that's it. no remanence, let alone permanence. 1820836;1528289564;mircea_popescu;(not ~usefully~, obviously. it still runs all the various inca probing bullshit every cycle, of course) 1820837;1528289978;mircea_popescu;spyked, re the other thing, i expect the item can be both massively trimmed and significantly improved still. the discussion was carried in principle ("so manty lines!") not really objectively, "why this exact line for each line". i think it's entirely possible even the final product, as a conceptual ideal, may exceed (reasonable!) expectations of "how long code should be". 1820838;1528290013;mircea_popescu;take the obvious "wtf is with your >80 char lines omfg". well.. php is what's with it. hence the whole "it's a scripting language built atop a webotron, to glue it to a rmdbs, whadda ya want" 1820839;1528290095;mircea_popescu;~hypertext preprocessor~. wtf are you going to do ? do you want hypertext or don't you ? do you want separable parts or don't you ? it's a triangle, right, a) well specified tasks ; b) separable parts ; c) no glue needed. pick two. 1820840;1528290154;mircea_popescu;alf picks ac and the web picks ab. these choices limit them respectively, because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809002 1820841;1528290154;a111;Logged on 2018-05-04 15:37 asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not say this to raise mircea_popescu's blood pressure, but strictly out of truth. 1820842;1528290395;spyked;mircea_popescu, re. smartphone, everytime I bring the "why use linux shitstack with so many layers of abstraction for mere phone" argument to certain ppl, they're all "oh, but it runs on so many devices". and I guess they're right in a certain way. gotta keep 'em busy, give 'em "choices", or at least the illusion thereof. 1820843;1528290441;mircea_popescu;i dunno that the item has anything to do with linux. 1820844;1528290476;mircea_popescu;by now it's a hoyota, son of used car lot owner built himself a car out of parts. 1820845;1528290629;spyked;afaik ios (the other smartphone os besides android) runs on 1 hardware platform and the os doesn't multitask (or maybe it does in the newer versions? hell if I know). while all other smartphones besides apple's run android, and there's some diversity in the hardware platforms, which is why they based the os on the kernel that "runs on everything". 1820846;1528290694;mircea_popescu;right. i was discussing the former. which, contrary to hopes&aspirations, owns the market. 1820847;1528290706;spyked;the downside is a horrible drain on battery (and there wasn't much of that to go with it in the first place), but eh, they made their choices. 1820848;1528290813;spyked;buuut... yeah, sometimes smartphone os lets user do 2 things at a time: listen to music while instagramming. 1820849;1528290849;mircea_popescu;just like in the old days of dos. 1820850;1528290872;asciilifeform;ipnoje? they have a split screen thing. 1820851;1528290883;asciilifeform;sorta like dos 'sidekick' i guess 1820852;1528290928;mircea_popescu;incidentally, when is the nsa computer ready ? 1820853;1528290944;mircea_popescu;im not gonna have her take nudies on her current shitstack. 1820854;1528290962;asciilifeform;on turdroid they have proper multi, and so typical plebe's pnoje resembles win98 box, with 9000 selfinstalled bg shitwares 1820855;1528291108;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: c101pa? currently stuck on 'how the fuck to build even google's orig bootloader , out of the fragmentarily pseudo-opensrc pieces', before can even consider backporting their init to coreboot 1820856;1528291134;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron, you're still doing the eulora computer thing ? 1820857;1528291312;spyked;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eizdg/?raw=true 1820858;1528291314;deedbot;accepted: 1 1820859;1528291401;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1820837 << good % is simply rubbish, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/import/utw.php 1820860;1528291401;a111;Logged on 2018-06-06 12:59 mircea_popescu: spyked, re the other thing, i expect the item can be both massively trimmed and significantly improved still. the discussion was carried in principle ("so manty lines!") not really objectively, "why this exact line for each line". i think it's entirely possible even the final product, as a conceptual ideal, may exceed (reasonable!) expectations of "how long code should be". 1820861;1528291427;mircea_popescu;ahh, the pleasure of ~being able to reference these~. thanks phf! 1820862;1528291442;asciilifeform;'The Ultimate Tag Warrior Importer' 1820863;1528291449;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it's not directly evident to me this is rubbish, though i never used it. 1820864;1528291510;asciilifeform;or, say, http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-ftp-sockets.php 1820865;1528291511;mircea_popescu;(item is backwards compatibility obscura.) 1820866;1528291524;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, idem. 1820867;1528291526;asciilifeform;why it needs ~own~ ftp server?! 1820868;1528291542;asciilifeform;because we host on winblowz box with no ftp?? 1820869;1528291546;mircea_popescu;so you can run it without a ftp server. 1820870;1528291552;asciilifeform;it's outrageous 1820871;1528291556;mircea_popescu;it's what it is. 1820872;1528291579;mircea_popescu;in strict terms, i believe that is a pretty tight php implementation of ftp. "shouldn't exist", maybe, whatever. there it is. 1820873;1528291611;asciilifeform;lol, with regexps 1820874;1528291649;mircea_popescu;$go = !preg_match("/^([0-9]{3})(-.+\\1)? [^".CRLF."]+".CRLF."$/Us", $this->_message, $regs); << 1820875;1528291652;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-ftp-sockets.php#L23372 << lessee somebody prove this to have no false pos matches 1820876;1528291703;mircea_popescu;$ip_port = explode(",", ereg_replace("^.+ \\(?([0-9]{1,3},[0-9]{1,3},[0-9]{1,3},[0-9]{1,3},[0-9]+,[0-9]+)\\)?.*".CRLF."$", "\\1", $this->_message 1820877;1528291708;mircea_popescu;ahaha check that shit out. 1820878;1528291744;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-wp-filesystem-ssh2.php << check ~this~ out. attempt to reimplement... ssh 1820879;1528291784;mircea_popescu;500 lines! compare to the original! 1820880;1528291794;mircea_popescu;"but mp, none of this shit works" "shhh" 1820881;1528291856;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, anyway, it's a wrapper, for a very hacky libssh.so 1820882;1528291867;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-pclzip.php << 30+kloc reimplementation of pkzip 1820883;1528292011;spyked;so mp-wp is an operating system? ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798159 could then make a great corollary to greenspun's thing) 1820884;1528292011;a111;Logged on 2018-04-13 16:20 mircea_popescu: spyked how about THIS definition for the operating system : "that set of code that is trusted implicitly". this then makes EVERYTHING on a windows machine operating system, which i contend is right and proper -- the necessary result of opaque monolith systems design is universalization of the os. 1820885;1528292053;mircea_popescu;spyked, there's a reason they put all the blogs on the same one box :D 1820886;1528292097;mircea_popescu;but yes, if you run a php interpreter you've got a windows box, pretty much. state of the art in empire. 1820887;1528292947;mircea_popescu;aaand in ancient trilemas, let's see today http://trilema.com/2011/de-ce-nu-plateste-lumea-ca-sa-citeasca-ziare-online/ 1820888;1528292972;mircea_popescu;and perhaps http://trilema.com/2011/bun-si-mie-ce-imi-iese-la-faza-asta/ too. 1820889;1528292987;mircea_popescu;it's kinda lulzy for me to re-read what i was saying pre-bitcoin, and discover it's... not changed. 1820890;1528294101;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1820855 << briefly returning upstack, once i find the uart pins and solder (under microscope, it will be a 1st class bitch) i can try starting with stock rk3399 loader, and welding on the c101pa peripherals init (which i've dug out of google's shitpile) 1820891;1528294101;a111;Logged on 2018-06-06 13:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c101pa? currently stuck on 'how the fuck to build even google's orig bootloader , out of the fragmentarily pseudo-opensrc pieces', before can even consider backporting their init to coreboot 1820892;1528294151;mircea_popescu;all the microscopy only needed for first debug unit though, rite ? 1820893;1528294205;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_dbg.jpg << it's in there. 1820894;1528294208;asciilifeform;and yes. 1820895;1528294229;asciilifeform;the soldering, ditto. strictly to make 'unbrickable' test unit for the bootloader attempts. 1820896;1528294229;mircea_popescu;aha. 1820897;1528294287;asciilifeform;for mass production, will still need to open up the boxen to do the write-unprotect magic (lift battery plug, boot on mains current, reflash, put back) but that's it. 1820898;1528294400;mircea_popescu;doesn't sound like a phd assembly line item. 1820899;1528294425;douchebag;I think I have lymes disease 1820900;1528294425;asciilifeform;interestingly, mb doesn't take up all of the space inside the case, there is room for maybe half a playing card's worth of iron (sadly not FG's worth..) inside 1820901;1528294450;asciilifeform;douchebag: bitten by tick just nao ? 1820902;1528294478;douchebag;I got bit by something 1820903;1528294500;douchebag;and now I have a bullseye shaped bite wound 1820904;1528294508;mircea_popescu;do you have the typical "coffee on blotter paper" erithrema, or what 1820905;1528294605;douchebag;It's red/black/blue at the center and redness surrounding the area 1820906;1528294620;douchebag;in addition to that I've been vomiting since I woke up 1820907;1528294647;asciilifeform;douchebag: are you on a mission in the taiga and there is no doctor or wat 1820908;1528294671;mircea_popescu;so go to the hospital, its treatable. 1820909;1528294688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, incidentally, part and parcel of the decay, all these eminently preventable diseases on marked rise in the us. 1820910;1528294699;douchebag;Yeah, I'm going in about an hour 1820911;1528294702;asciilifeform;douchebag: you have maybe a day or 2, before you end up with a decade+'s worth of ugh 1820912;1528294726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: verily 1820913;1528294737;mircea_popescu;such a sad soviet world. 1820914;1528294748;asciilifeform;african, not soviet. 1820915;1528294754;asciilifeform;su did not have this problem. 1820916;1528294759;mircea_popescu;ikr. 1820917;1528294798;mircea_popescu;soviet republic of angola. 1820918;1528294991;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1820853 << incidentally, the c101pa has a camera of some kind. 1820919;1528294991;a111;Logged on 2018-06-06 13:15 mircea_popescu: im not gonna have her take nudies on her current shitstack. 1820920;1528294998;mod6;mornin' 1820921;1528295009;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1820922;1528295013;*;mod6 waves 1820923;1528295045;mircea_popescu;or just get a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802801 like normal people. 1820924;1528295045;a111;Logged on 2018-04-19 01:58 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw. 1820925;1528295072;*;asciilifeform has that very same 'soapbox' 1820926;1528295089;asciilifeform;sadly enuff it loses to 3+ y.o. pnoje , somehow 1820927;1528295107;asciilifeform;despite the latter's fingernail lens 1820928;1528295123;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine how. 1820929;1528295145;asciilifeform;combination of the sensor and the stabilizer . 1820930;1528295147;mircea_popescu;i've seen the sort of pixelated bs the iphone spits out. 1820931;1528295151;mircea_popescu;~no way. 1820932;1528295174;asciilifeform;speaking here of the 6th ipnoje. 1820933;1528295233;asciilifeform;( which happily snarfs in, e.g., whole page of a4 text, legibly. ye olde minox nervously smokes in the corner ) 1820934;1528295254;asciilifeform;granted it all goes straight to crapple. 1820935;1528295290;asciilifeform;i'd quite like to buy a standalone cam with equiv perfomance. but ( aside from kg brick of 'slr' ) they dun make them. 1820936;1528295301;mircea_popescu;you can't be serious, can you ? 1820937;1528295302;asciilifeform;pnojeism killed the soapbox 1820938;1528295319;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/button_0_big.jpg << ipnojecam 1820939;1528295346;asciilifeform;and ^ this is after scaling down from the ridiculous (4000x3000 or something close) orig res 1820940;1528295361;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/antonio-29.jpg << sony. 1820941;1528295396;mircea_popescu;you can count the animal's tail hairs. the whole thing is a coupla mm in length. 1820942;1528295409;asciilifeform;it's a good pic 1820943;1528295426;mircea_popescu;i suspect problem may be rathere the operator than the performance of the hardware! 1820944;1528295478;asciilifeform;possibly. my rx100 is ~useless at palm's length distance. 1820945;1528295539;mircea_popescu;play with it, it's very customizable. 1820946;1528295596;asciilifeform;what i really oughta get, is a proper trinocular microscope. camera is great but can't really solder under camera. 1820947;1528295613;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1820948;1528295703;asciilifeform;the chinese ones are junk, however. 1820949;1528295719;asciilifeform;proper unit is serious $. 1820950;1528295987;mircea_popescu;maybe something by omax. afaik they were the standard budget item 1820951;1528296044;mircea_popescu;https://www.amazon.com/OMAX-40X-2000X-Trinocular-Microscope-Mechanical/dp/B00SGCG1XE << a few hundy. 1820952;1528296137;mircea_popescu;holy hell, you can actually buy them direct! http://omaxmicroscope.com/omax-40x-2500x-led-digital-trinocular-lab-compound-microscope-with-5mp-camera-and-mechanical-stage.html 1820953;1528296317;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-526297.txt 1820954;1528296410;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo, seperation << it's separation you know. << ty fxd 1820955;1528298958;mod6;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wC07Y/?raw=true 1820956;1528298962;deedbot;accepted: 1 1820957;1528298977;mod6;jurov: ^ 1820958;1528299414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bottom-light, and no boom , useless for electronics 1820959;1528299435;mircea_popescu;ah 1820960;1528299442;mircea_popescu;all my experience comes from fucking med students. 1820961;1528299499;asciilifeform;https://spectraservices.com/SP-S6D-BS.html << the type used in electronics work. 1820962;1528299557;mircea_popescu;maybe stuff like http://omaxmicroscope.com/special-microscopes/metallurgical-microscopes.html ? 1820963;1528299602;asciilifeform;can't really solder under those. 1820964;1528299617;asciilifeform;for chip reversing, yes, want metallurgist's microscope. 1820965;1528299621;mircea_popescu;aha 1820966;1528299668;mircea_popescu;in truth tho... something like a boomed magnifying glass may suffice here neh ? 1820967;1528299688;mircea_popescu;you're talking mms, nice large 3x, 5x, 8x glass is inexpensive. 1820968;1528299698;asciilifeform;it's what i use now 1820969;1528299701;asciilifeform;problem is glare. 1820970;1528299710;mircea_popescu;is it a low glare lens ? 1820971;1528299754;asciilifeform;not the problem. glare from the contacts on pcb. same reason pcb is such a bitch to photograph -- needs good low light sensor, if you simply up the lamp, you nuke exposure 1820972;1528299763;asciilifeform;( all the au-plated junk ) 1820973;1528299771;mircea_popescu;a yea... 1820974;1528299778;mircea_popescu;but have you tried colored light ? 1820975;1528299785;asciilifeform;the magic pill is polarizer 1820976;1528299789;mircea_popescu;quite. 1820977;1528299793;asciilifeform;(on proper scope) 1820978;1528299804;mircea_popescu;but ~color~ might actually do it too. metal is not uniformly reflective across spectrum 1820979;1528299826;mircea_popescu;get a battery of red leds say. 1820980;1528299863;asciilifeform;this is the classic case for polarizer, want only the diffuse light, not the orthogonal reflected 1820981;1528299997;mircea_popescu;true. but there's some merit in trying some combinations of fiddy bux solutions before springing the 3k 1820982;1528300017;asciilifeform;sorta what i do nao. 1820983;1528300124;mircea_popescu;yea 1820984;1528302106;mircea_popescu;!!up BreakingRae 1820985;1528302107;deedbot;BreakingRae voiced for 30 minutes. 1820986;1528302118;mircea_popescu;go ahead, tell him. 1820987;1528302232;BreakingRae;Hey Spyked, I'd love to see your notes on what we discussed if you'll show me. 1820988;1528302254;mircea_popescu;did you ever apologize to alf for being such an orc, btw ? 1820989;1528302269;asciilifeform;she did! 1820990;1528302288;mircea_popescu;good thing you read pms. 1820991;1528302298;asciilifeform;weekly or so, lol 1820992;1528302364;mod6;:D 1820993;1528302418;BreakingRae;I'm sure it won't be the last time I apologise to him for it too 1820994;1528302478;mircea_popescu;actually, he's hard at work with trictoscopes and things to make you a computer. 1820995;1528302563;BreakingRae;Step 1 in being slightly less of an orc maybe 1820996;1528302589;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1820997;1528303516;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-526308.txt 1820998;1528305240;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/237FBBA5B9D7D62EB0FEEC485D27209610B699FC1DCD47C73EB4AB2DFFDFC19D << in unrelated lulzies 1820999;1528305301;mircea_popescu;botnet sig ? 1821000;1528305305;asciilifeform;nfi 1821001;1528305319;asciilifeform;prolly embedded-linux rubbish 1821002;1528305327;mircea_popescu;or that. 1821003;1528305333;mircea_popescu;the difference though, is rather academic. 1821004;1528305344;asciilifeform;lotsa these sitting there 'green', waiting for their magic day. 1821005;1528305395;asciilifeform;this prolly is obvious, but if one gets a hold of 1 example of the router/etc in question, you have the priv 1821006;1528305404;asciilifeform;(it's an ssh pub) 1821007;1528305407;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1821008;1528305476;asciilifeform;speaking of which, it's still an open q, what to do re rng on c101pa 1821009;1528305488;asciilifeform;lesser evil is prolly the camera 1821010;1528305506;asciilifeform;( and yes it will take an FG on the usb jack like any other box ) 1821011;1528305540;mircea_popescu;it got no usb ports ?! 1821012;1528305547;mircea_popescu;right. that. what. 1821013;1528305553;asciilifeform;has 3 (1 normal, 2 weirdo 'usb-c') 1821014;1528305564;asciilifeform;right, i was speaking of the minimal unit. 1821015;1528305577;mircea_popescu;eh. fg. 1821016;1528305581;asciilifeform;also the 16GB onboard ssd is rather tight, for serious work i'd mount /home on a sd card. 1821017;1528305692;asciilifeform;( re 'usb-c' -- it's an interesting item, worx as both usb and power in/out, the thing charges by being connected to mains brick through either of the 2 ) 1821018;1528305759;asciilifeform;the schematics whisperer d00d suggested that it also has the uart brought out on hidden pins ; i have a test adapter cable due in this wk that will test this theory 1821019;1528305950;asciilifeform;( somewhat unsurprisingly, d00d in q never returned with the promised docs ) 1821020;1528306643;asciilifeform;speaking, upstack, of microscopy, did we ever do the 'why not gamma inspection, like for steel beams' thread ? 1821021;1528306676;asciilifeform;imho it's a promising (and afaik 100% unexplored, in re chip reversing) method, and , bonus, nondestructive (i.e. inspect and then ~use~ device) 1821022;1528306705;asciilifeform;given as they dun refract -- would need to use something like minksy's confocal method. 1821023;1528306750;asciilifeform;( where a raster-scanning mechanical 'pinhole' is used, and the distance of source/detector from sample, is varied ) 1821024;1528306816;asciilifeform;given as an ic is a relatively (vs e.g. steel beams, or cement) 'soft' material, you would not need the capsule-of-doom from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812331 1821025;1528306816;a111;Logged on 2018-05-11 16:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaa the radar thing. funny story with these, the old-world version of this was the gamma-radiograph. in su they used them to evaluate cured cement prior to finishing a block of flat. aaand sometimes they'd forget the sr-90 brick inside the wall, and roast several generations of tenants 1821026;1528307000;asciilifeform;no need to decap, strip layers with acids, etc. potentially, just take 3d tomograph. 1821027;1528307071;asciilifeform;collimate the beam simply by selecting with long, thin lead tube. 1821028;1528307238;asciilifeform;*minsky's method 1821029;1528307962;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1820856 << not really. i don't have any ready and i don't know if my recipe even works any more. i'm currently using a debian install for eulora 1821030;1528307962;a111;Logged on 2018-06-06 13:18 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, you're still doing the eulora computer thing ? 1821031;1528310033;BingoBoingo;!Q later tell asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lor9x/?raw=true Update on certain cats 1821032;1528310033;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1821033;1528310182;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: got it 1821034;1528310182;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: Sent 2 minutes ago: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lor9x/?raw=true Update on certain cats 1821035;1528310198;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty for the ack 1821036;1528310577;phf;i added a link on patch pages to "split hunks", which allows to render any patch the way mp-wp genesis is being rendered, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis?inlinep=false 1821037;1528310710;phf;mostly a convenience since /hunk/ works for all patches now, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis/hunk/bitcoin/src/init.cpp 1821038;1528311310;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/06/6-months-in-montevideo-finding-a-clean-place/ << Bingo Blog - 6 Months In Montevideo: Finding A Clean Place 1821039;1528311718;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: with the exception of the stove, this looks ~exactly like asciilifeform's hotel room 1821040;1528311742;asciilifeform;complete with oddball bathroom sink 1821041;1528311748;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Also the sink placement 1821042;1528311785;asciilifeform;which chix is that in the coat ? 1821043;1528311838;BingoBoingo;The agencia's rep 1821044;1528311843;asciilifeform;aa 1821045;1528311854;asciilifeform;and srsly that's a japanese-sized flat 1821046;1528311882;BingoBoingo;And that's as big as they come before the carve out "bedrooms" 1821047;1528311886;asciilifeform;i think my dorm room at uni was bigger 1821048;1528311922;asciilifeform;does this place come with a net pipe ? 1821049;1528311935;asciilifeform;or will you need a sat dish, or what 1821050;1528312020;BingoBoingo;They have fiber here. 1821051;1528312059;BingoBoingo;https://tienda.antel.com.uy/categoria/internet 1821052;1528312114;phf;that's the cyberpunk future we've always wanted. 2sqm room (with bathroom) and a fat fiber line 1821053;1528312242;asciilifeform;lol 1821054;1528312280;asciilifeform;i was hoping he'd find something that can hold a crew of 2, at least on occasion 1821055;1528312295;asciilifeform;but if this is all that fits in the budget, then so be it 1821056;1528312922;mod6;what are the rental terms? 1yr contract? 1821057;1528312935;mod6;(could always find a bigger place later once we're above water) 1821058;1528313155;BingoBoingo;It's a one year contract. 1821059;1528313263;mod6;Ok, cool. 1821060;1528313643;BingoBoingo;There is a point at which continuing to burn more time on the real estate thing yields diminishing returns. And when the days start getting longer, negative returns. 1821061;1528314618;ben_vulpes;not just true for real estate! 1821062;1528316590;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron, drat. 1821063;1528316613;mircea_popescu;what am i going to do! 1821064;1528316620;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: issue the pet a rk3328 ? 1821065;1528316629;asciilifeform;these -- are ready to rock 1821066;1528316632;mircea_popescu;how ? 1821067;1528316688;asciilifeform;we have a shipments/logistics expert in the house, don't we 1821068;1528316754;mircea_popescu;who, dbp ? i thought he moved to rural ok to pursue a doctor in divinity thesis. 1821069;1528316755;asciilifeform;hey phf , didja ever put xorg on yours? how is performance ? 1821070;1528316760;asciilifeform;aa hm. 1821071;1528316780;mircea_popescu;anyway. i guess ima make her build a desktop, wtf can i do. 1821072;1528316794;asciilifeform;it's good for one's health, to build desktop. 1821073;1528316810;asciilifeform;junkyardwars. builds character. 1821074;1528316825;mircea_popescu;so instead of me aweing her with the might of tmsr, she gets to impress me with her digital dexterity ? ooookay... 1821075;1528316833;phf;asciilifeform: on a rok? no i haven't, yesterday i only had time to get a terminal out of it 1821076;1528316871;asciilifeform;phf: didja run into the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792708 lulgem ? 1821077;1528316871;a111;Logged on 2018-04-03 22:23 asciilifeform: in other 'holyfuq, chinesium', 1500000 (!) baud default uart. 1821078;1528317062;phf;asciilifeform: yeah, i was going by various spec sites, but i have a dongle that handles that 1821079;1528317081;asciilifeform;phf: i had to go through several, before one worked 1821080;1528317160;phf;afaiu the special baud rate is rk exclusive 1821081;1528317234;asciilifeform;( the only one that ended up speaking 1500000 baud, was ftdi's ) 1821082;1528322342;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-arrests-guy-named-ron-for-allegedly-being-chinese-spy/ << Qntra - US Arrests Guy Named Ron For Allegedly Being Chinese Spy 1821083;1528328417;*;Mocky is picturing trying to fuck a med student with a microscope >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1820960 1821084;1528328417;a111;Logged on 2018-06-06 15:37 mircea_popescu: all my experience comes from fucking med students. 1821085;1528328424;asciilifeform;lol 1821086;1528328458;mircea_popescu;they do have tinier snatches than average, i've noticed. 1821087;1528328486;mircea_popescu;some of the microscopy-est clits + clitoral hoods + labia arrangements i ever saw lived between the legs of med students. 1821088;1528328606;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1821018 apparently requires a https://archive.li/9wxqo ( 'partners only' google proprietary dongle ) to enable uart; this, in turn, appears to be a usb-c 'debug accessory mode' magic-voltage set ; and it is deliberately (see below) poorly specced. i dug for the detail, turns out that it is likely being sat on by usg.google et al, because it also enables talking to recent intel iron ro 1821089;1528328606;a111;Logged on 2018-06-06 17:22 asciilifeform: the schematics whisperer d00d suggested that it also has the uart brought out on hidden pins ; i have a test adapter cable due in this wk that will test this theory 1821090;1528328606;asciilifeform;otkit (r/w memory etc via usb jack) 1821091;1528328652;asciilifeform;( various whisperings at https://archive.li/lQydM and elsewhere, for the expert entomologist only ) 1821092;1528328791;mircea_popescu;heh 1821093;1528328803;mircea_popescu;so "it works until you try to", right. 1821094;1528328842;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1821029 >> i tried your recipe (combination of your 2 recipes) 2 days ago and couldn't get the emerge @world to work to succeed. I didn't report since you mention your missing file and link to Trinque's post 1821095;1528328842;a111;Logged on 2018-06-06 17:59 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1820856 << not really. i don't have any ready and i don't know if my recipe even works any more. i'm currently using a debian install for eulora 1821096;1528328937;Mocky;I figured I'd give it a try since I couldnt get my old 2014 version to install, nor my 2016 version 1821097;1528336107;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2403 << Loper OS - Open Problem: Debug Accessory Mode on the Asus C101PA 1821098;1528337748;phf;if you manage to build suzy-q replica at home you absolutely must name it siouxsie sioux 1821099;1528338094;trinque;Mocky: I'll have something for you to try out in a few days, if you like. 1821100;1528338152;Mocky;great, looking forward to it 1821101;1528338164;*;trinque got the cuntoo to build again, need to gather up all needed distfiles so we aren't fucked the next time shitworld's tectonic plates shift. 1821102;1528338190;mircea_popescu;good idea. 1821103;1528338213;phf;trinque: is cuntoo pure musl? 1821104;1528338362;trinque;yep, musl and libressl 1821105;1528338971;mircea_popescu;spyked, i will have you know that ~all~ the trainee sluts agree -- my version is good, yours isn't. SO THERE!\ 1821106;1528339098;phf;asciilifeform: so the idea is to get into that npcx, which is running "chrome OS EC firmware"? 1821107;1528339113;mircea_popescu;!!up fromdeedbot 1821108;1528339114;deedbot;fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1821109;1528339179;mircea_popescu;are you here for the sexy time fromdeedbot ? 1821110;1528339193;fromdeedbot;just stopping in.... i haven't read the logs from the last month 1821111;1528339235;mircea_popescu;your loss hehe. 1821112;1528339245;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in traps, https://78.media.tumblr.com/6b6f4f7fca17d852a510a64fa77b81d0/tumblr_p95alsJhPu1wlblsko1_1280.png 1821113;1528339254;fromdeedbot;where ever i go there i am, and all time is sexy on freenode 1821114;1528339284;phf;apparently that thing does everything, "ap power sequencing, battery charging, thermal management, keyboard scan matrix, buttons and switches, backlights, indicator LEDS, board-specific peripherals, USB-PD controller, case-closed debug controller, usb type-c power brick" 1821115;1528339285;fromdeedbot;if my aunt had a dick, she'd have been my uncle 1821116;1528339328;fromdeedbot;decepticons.... she needs a shave though 1821117;1528339704;fromdeedbot;namecoin is the new black..... as soon as earthlings sort their shit out 1821118;1528339942;fromdeedbot;namecoin and deedbot... i cant think of a better use case 1821119;1528340634;asciilifeform;phf: ec uart is separate and i dun need it 1821120;1528340646;asciilifeform;phf: idea is to get at the standard rockchip uart 1821121;1528340704;phf;hmm 1821122;1528342729;asciilifeform;bahaha i have uart. 1821123;1528342740;asciilifeform;sbu1/sbu2 is a ~usb~ d+/d-. 1821124;1528342751;phf;hax 1821125;1528342753;mircea_popescu;win 1821126;1528342771;asciilifeform;well, possibly i spoke in haste, it ain't a cp201/ftdi/etc, but some google strange. 1821127;1528342773;asciilifeform;but 1st step. 1821128;1528343065;asciilifeform;article updated. 1821129;1528343289;asciilifeform;aajajajaja i have console... 1821130;1528343434;phf;what kind of console is it? does it respond to "version"? 1821131;1528343449;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 1821132;1528343457;mircea_popescu;phf, i hope it's amiga :D 1821133;1528343511;phf;C64 of course 1821134;1528343513;asciilifeform;article updated again. 1821135;1528343613;mircea_popescu;nah, commodore was almost sane 1821136;1528343666;phf;well, it'll be like discovering alt-tmsr or lizard hitler, the way asciilifeform always wanted 1821137;1528343823;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/usb2spew.txt << spew. 1821138;1528343847;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1821139;1528343879;phf;"Console is enabled; type HELP for help." 1821140;1528343953;mircea_popescu;why not "Console might be enabled; type HELP ME LIZZARD HiTLER for finding out." 1821141;1528343986;mircea_popescu;or i guess HLTIER for max payn. 1821142;1528344006;mod6;hey this Borsec is pretty decent 1821143;1528344048;mircea_popescu;o it got there ? 1821144;1528344052;mircea_popescu;nice. 1821145;1528344103;mod6;Yeah, bought 6 bottles (which, only plastic ones were available). One bottle was broken, so I really only got five. But w/e. Good stuff. 1821146;1528344322;mircea_popescu;wait, a ~plastic~ bottle was broken ?! 1821147;1528344341;mircea_popescu;holy shit i never heard of that before, they survive highway crashes those things 1821148;1528344351;mod6;yeah, somehow the bottom of one of the bottles got a crack in the bottom. 1821149;1528344368;mod6;i pulled out the whole pack and one was totally empty. i lul'd. 1821150;1528344656;mod6;stranger, it was packed pretty well. pack of six was in a rigid corrugated box stuffed with foam peanuts. 1821151;1528344676;mod6;hopefully next pack will be all intact. 1821152;1528344784;mircea_popescu;supposedly it's good for you. 1821153;1528344832;mod6;good to hear, thanks for the suggestion. 1821154;1528345850;asciilifeform;https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-07#22280508 << oblig whisperers who 'helped' 1821155;1528379733;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1820987 <-- sure thing. actually it may be a great idea to try to get them published. they're usually not coherent enough to make a blog post, but worth giving a shot. 1821156;1528379733;a111;Logged on 2018-06-06 16:23 BreakingRae: Hey Spyked, I'd love to see your notes on what we discussed if you'll show me. 1821157;1528380133;spyked;mircea_popescu, version of what? 1821158;1528380254;mircea_popescu;surisul fetei din tramvai 1821159;1528380837;spyked;ah, okay. re that, I think it's a good assignment for philology students, so I'm actually making it a point to mention it to ppl in the field. 1821160;1528380862;spyked;actually meeting one tomorrow, so now that you mentioned it... I'm definitely going to ask her to do a japanese translation! 1821161;1528381010;mircea_popescu;it's un fucking translatable. aaaand, to quote the last one, "lol hes in denial". 1821162;1528381549;spyked;lol. mircea_popescu, I'm not denying nor admitting! the fact remains that your version has a borken metre, i.e. the last two lines don't match the first two. for ref., http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802222 dunno how much this counts for mircea_popescu, but it does for me. 1821163;1528381549;a111;Logged on 2018-04-18 20:55 mircea_popescu: spyked, apparently you have no comments ? anyway, "the smiling girl i saw today bewitched my soul entirely ; another line goes in a diary that's read by me, and Mr. Sorrowly." 1821164;1528381582;mircea_popescu;hey, i don't enter into it -- i'm asking sluts. if not sluts, who is to arbiter poetry ? 1821165;1528382076;spyked;that's a fair point I guess. the wave of self-aggrandazing poetry critics seems dead today, and that didn't mean much to begin with. 1821166;1528382096;mircea_popescu;other than sexual, i know of no function of poetry. 1821167;1528382154;spyked;mircea_popescu, what about music? (I'm asking because I find the two inseparable) 1821168;1528382210;mircea_popescu;nah, music is math. 1821169;1528382252;spyked;lol! I was just going to say that I kinda enjoyed barbilian's poems-as-puzzles back in highschool. 1821170;1528382278;mircea_popescu;:p 1821171;1528382457;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's not the last two, it's just the last one. 1821172;1528382539;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 << Loper OS - The secret of the Debug Accessory Mode Adapter. 1821173;1528382877;asciilifeform;^ complete schematic. 1821174;1528382897;mircea_popescu;aaaa 1821175;1528382990;asciilifeform;the seekrit is out... 1821176;1528383029;mircea_popescu;this is pretty cool! 1821177;1528383082;asciilifeform;bonus, should also work , in principle, to control intel.nsa rootkit ( https://archive.li/PCptx derpery & in other 'seekrit whisperings' ) 1821178;1528383114;asciilifeform;reportedly they use same seekrit plug. 1821179;1528383128;mircea_popescu;how the fuck did you find that 5.1 value 1821180;1528383136;asciilifeform;see prev. post. 1821181;1528383155;asciilifeform;it was buried in a megalith standards committee pdf crapola. 1821182;1528383170;mircea_popescu;aaaa 1821183;1528383256;asciilifeform;phf: i built it from junk box, you can make it in about 10min. 1821184;1528383342;asciilifeform;the only 'exotica' is the usbc breakout plug; these are on lulzazon ( part http://a.co/hus7Yyh ) and prolly elsewhere. 1821185;1528383380;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime 1821186;1528383422;mircea_popescu;wellearned tea.jpg 1821187;1528384400;BingoBoingo;Holy shit on the Open problem to resolved problem tea. 1821188;1528384421;mircea_popescu;he's talented, isn't he. 1821189;1528384993;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Breaker of tard worlds 1821190;1528386239;asciilifeform;the trickiest part of this magic trick still remains to be done, because -- if google's shitpile is to be believed -- one of those /dev/ttyUSBn is actually a spi bridge 1821191;1528386261;asciilifeform;and in principle can be used to rewrite the eeprom without fancy solderings... 1821192;1528386265;mircea_popescu;aaaa 1821193;1528386313;asciilifeform;possibly even ~two~, there are two roms, 1 is the bootloader, the other is the embedded controller 1821194;1528386456;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/hfpa-insists-former-heads-groping-of-george-of-the-jungle-was-a-joke/ << Qntra - HFPA Insists Former Head's Groping Of 'George of the Jungle' Was A Joke 1821195;1528386891;mod6;mornin' 1821196;1528386934;BingoBoingo;mornin 1821197;1528386939;asciilifeform;ohai BingoBoingo 1821198;1528386973;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Congrats on the victory against the googleists/Intelards 1821199;1528386994;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . small victory tho, yet. 1821200;1528387149;BingoBoingo;Small victory in the same sense being the first to summit a mountain is a small victory. There's this impossing and incomprehensible mass of rock, eventually someone makes his way to the top, documents or creates a human navigable path, etc, etc. 1821201;1528387192;BingoBoingo;It's a small victory in the direction of capturing USB-C as a Republican standard 1821202;1528387361;asciilifeform;it'll be interesting to try the plug with a recent intel box ( i dun have any, currently, with usbc ); see earlier derpery link re why 1821203;1528387658;BingoBoingo;Right 1821204;1528387732;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ^ complete schematic. << I've been catching up on your posts here, this is pretty great! 1821205;1528389676;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XPFXr/?raw=true << console crapola 1821206;1528389717;asciilifeform;some of the cmds (e.g. 'i2cscan', 'reboot') return 'access denied', will have to find why. 1821207;1528390091;asciilifeform;interestingly, the ec console works when box is 'off'.. 1821208;1528390202;mircea_popescu;kinda the point of these neh 1821209;1528390208;asciilifeform;aaha 1821210;1528390237;asciilifeform;controls battery charger, power button, etc 1821211;1528390733;ben_vulpes;in other lols, sbcl.org is down 1821212;1528394373;asciilifeform;yep looks dead 1821213;1528395556;phf;!#s sbcl down 1821214;1528395557;a111;9 results for "sbcl down", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sbcl%20down 1821215;1528395580;asciilifeform;prolly it's hosted on some d00d's home dsl, lol 1821216;1528395672;phf;they should just let cracauer host it on cons.org 1821217;1528399718;mircea_popescu;zing 1821218;1528400463;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, https://medium.com/@MartinCracauer << "Read writing from Martin Cracauer on Medium. Lisp, FreeBSD, Shift-Tilt Photography and Symphonic Metal. Every day, Martin Cracauer and thousands of other voices read, write, and share important stories on Medium." 1821219;1528400489;mircea_popescu;there's basically nothing left inside these schmucks, "joe and thousands others [just like him]" isn't even perceived as insulting. 1821220;1528400707;mircea_popescu;https://hackernoon.com/software-development-at-1-hz-5530bb58fc0e << how lisp is all about mouse twitching, long live RTS/MOBA and what is turn-based strategy even!!! 1821221;1528400715;mircea_popescu;https://medium.com/@MartinCracauer/cognitive-inertia-programmers-at-work-and-why-useless-information-is-so-much-easier-to-remember-5a5fea466d3c << other insanely irritating anal childhood bullshit. 1821222;1528400742;mircea_popescu;oh, neoteny of postmodernism, how ye keep telling yourself you're ok and what a disgusting slimy maggot ye are... 1821223;1528401551;phf;well, the "1hz" point comes up periodically in lisp conversations, and there's a value behind it. asciilifeform attacks in various forms, naggum talked about it also, though i'm failing to find relevant article. cracuer is just surprisingly neotenic to express the point coherently 1821224;1528402033;mircea_popescu;im writing it up. 1821225;1528402171;asciilifeform;https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-07#22285756; << moar c101pa lulzies 1821226;1528402189;mircea_popescu;you've not been excommunicated yet ? 1821227;1528402223;asciilifeform;not only not excommunicated, but the informant still grudgingly drips hints 1821228;1528402251;asciilifeform;tho i suspect that he's running dry 1821229;1528402399;phf;asciilifeform: can they put a bot here so it'll quote for us? :) 1821230;1528402416;asciilifeform;lol 1821231;1528402538;mircea_popescu;lmao 1821232;1528402543;mircea_popescu;NOT IN LIKE TEN YEARS 1821233;1528402570;mircea_popescu;but you can talk to the whitequark dood, explain how bot works, see if he can add it. 1821234;1528402972;asciilifeform;whole thread worth reading. presently i have doubt that the project is even worth the candles. ( tldr: there is a nsa rootkit chip on the board ) 1821235;1528403537;mircea_popescu;in the rk ? 1821236;1528404021;asciilifeform;not rk 1821237;1528404024;asciilifeform;standalone thing 1821238;1528404069;asciilifeform;ok, d00d left; https://archive.li/FFROT << whole thread snapshot. 1821239;1528404103;mod6;yeah, thanks for posting the thread. "just trust the hardware that you have" 1821240;1528404114;asciilifeform;the impatient can read from the end, backwards. 1821241;1528404156;mod6;It's not long, worth the full read if one has a few extra mins. 1821242;1528404174;mircea_popescu;thanks, was going through the botlink and meh. 1821243;1528404335;asciilifeform;prolly will have to bite the bullet and throw out c101pa , and try the c100pa . 1821244;1528404348;asciilifeform;( supposing d00d told the truth re the latter ) 1821245;1528404358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, "20:18 if you're paranoid you can probably cut the ap spi flash and ec spi flash traces around it " << i was thinking, it can be just cut out 1821246;1528404367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope, controls powersupply 1821247;1528404376;asciilifeform;'glued on with broken glass'(tm) 1821248;1528404392;mircea_popescu;fuck the "controls power supply". how's it gonna fail. 1821249;1528404399;asciilifeform;can't switch on without it 1821250;1528404424;asciilifeform;they rerouted the power button and voltage regulator sequencing, through it. 1821251;1528404428;mircea_popescu;pshaw. i'm willing to pay for the board this is tested on. 1821252;1528404430;asciilifeform;specifically against uppity orcs 1821253;1528404464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd happily cut it, but looking at the board, i suspect that they buried the traces 1821254;1528404468;asciilifeform;( it's a 16-layer pcb ) 1821255;1528404496;mircea_popescu;rip the fucking ic off the board. 1821256;1528404498;asciilifeform;( and will point out, if i have to cut traces on these, the units will be produces at the rate of one per month, likely ) 1821257;1528404527;mircea_popescu;sometimes, pencildick designs benefit immensely from liberal application of mailed fist. 1821258;1528404542;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma definitely lift it, prior to throwing out board, but suspect that d00d was telling the truth re the power button, it doesn't seem to be routed though the old ec controller any moar 1821259;1528404571;mircea_popescu;a de-alphabet'd item that has no functioning power button is actually acceptable. 1821260;1528404581;asciilifeform;ugh how do you intend to switch the thing on ? 1821261;1528404592;asciilifeform;or is it for use as hammer ? ( it ain't a very good hammer ) 1821262;1528404599;mircea_popescu;you'll figure out how to perma-on it and that's that. 1821263;1528404625;mircea_popescu;all this switching bs... not like power needs state. 1821264;1528404626;asciilifeform;prolly worth examining the c100pa 1st 1821265;1528404639;mircea_popescu;notrly, considering it was his suggestion. 1821266;1528404650;asciilifeform;which seems to be an almost exactly same machine ( i had it confused with c100 original ) but sans the cr50 1821267;1528404658;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/martin-cracauer-is-a-fucking-moron/ << Trilema - Martin Cracauer is a fucking moron. 1821268;1528404659;mircea_popescu;generally these go like "darling, this is maybe an assfuckin chair you don't object to ?" 1821269;1528404665;mircea_popescu;phf, ^ 1821270;1528404667;asciilifeform;should be able to test the truth of the allegation tho. 1821271;1528404687;mircea_popescu;reason he made the suggestion is that he bets on your failing to accurately test it. 1821272;1528404689;asciilifeform;2015 box ? 2015 box. does have cr50 ? my probe + naked eye, will say 1821273;1528404697;asciilifeform;once it's open 1821274;1528405170;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/h1_fritz_chip.jpg << suspect, labeled 1821275;1528405191;asciilifeform;very tellingly, 0 datashit on the net, 0 mentions of the part anywhere 1821276;1528405209;mircea_popescu;i expect they're mandated in all usg-"technology" since many years back. 1821277;1528405228;asciilifeform;erry device maker gets own variant, to keep life interesting 1821278;1528405230;mircea_popescu;so no, you're not going to find "a board without". you might find one where it's poorly attached and can be hammered off. but that's all. 1821279;1528405234;asciilifeform;afaik most simply shove it into the cpu die. 1821280;1528405244;mircea_popescu;kinda what i'm saying. 1821281;1528405274;asciilifeform;recall thread where mircea_popescu explained to a n00b, 'even when typhus epidemic rages, does not excuse you from washing hands' ? 1821282;1528405285;mircea_popescu;"oh, use this other one instead, terrorist, as you seem hell bent on breaking the chip off. this other one has it in the die, so you can't see it, will be all good" 1821283;1528405299;asciilifeform;why would 2015 box have it in the die, but 2017 external ? 1821284;1528405315;asciilifeform;or is the idea that the 2015 is fraudulently labeled, and really made last month ? 1821285;1528405319;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, my suspicion is that your "no cr 50" will simply mean "they put it in the die of a diff ic, and you can't find it" 1821286;1528405340;mircea_popescu;i don't explain the cockoraches, mr alfstein. i just exterminate them. 1821287;1528405362;asciilifeform;let's recall that the whole thing is an exercise in junkyard wars, i can only stomp the obvious cockroaches 1821288;1528405418;mircea_popescu;what's the full name of this cr50 item btw ? 1821289;1528405433;asciilifeform;it is called cr50. also seems to go by 'h1 secure microcontroller' 1821290;1528405437;asciilifeform;no public datashit. 1821291;1528405451;mircea_popescu;aka esp-w09 ? 1821292;1528405456;asciilifeform;( d00d even mentioned, 'we get it with seekrecy') 1821293;1528405472;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how do you figure ? 1821294;1528405482;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i'm trying to figure. 1821295;1528405496;asciilifeform;i mean, re 'aka esp-w09' 1821296;1528405526;asciilifeform;i'ma guess you used a search engine and found http://courses.daiict.ac.in/mod/resource/view.php?id=1403 , random indian d00d with no connection 1821297;1528405582;mircea_popescu;i went through list of jtag-sitters, saw that and whatever atmel bs. 1821298;1528405601;mircea_popescu;are you basically saying this is not an ennumerable class ? 1821299;1528405607;asciilifeform;it's a google in-house product. 1821300;1528405619;asciilifeform;( they dun have, afaik, a fab, the 'TWN' suggests they contracted out to e.g. infineon ) 1821301;1528405627;mircea_popescu;i do not beleive it is. i expect they just bought something. 1821302;1528405636;asciilifeform;well, not bought, were issued. 1821303;1528405638;mircea_popescu;and there's not THAT much to buy. 1821304;1528405644;mircea_popescu;yes, but 1821305;1528405675;asciilifeform;they also distribute a ball of src which they ~claim~ (unverifiably, afaik, see thread) runs in it. 1821306;1528405702;mircea_popescu;interesting link btw. what is this, the indians are taking over the usg "compliance" part altogether ? to the point the blather is taught in india but not us ?! 1821307;1528405705;asciilifeform;the chip itself does not match the description of any old fritztron familiar to asciilifeform (e.g. infineon's, intel's) 1821308;1528405731;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: link is generic sad, orcish technicum curriculum, doesn't seem to have any useful connection with subj 1821309;1528405746;mircea_popescu;hey, at least it mentions the atmels insistently. 1821310;1528405749;asciilifeform;lol 1821311;1528405758;mircea_popescu;which, afaik, is the most widely deployed fritzchip in empire. 1821312;1528405779;asciilifeform;the #1 choice of tardano vendors, certainly 1821313;1528405823;asciilifeform;at any rate, if d00d was telling even half the truth re 'we had a cpld, in prev machines, and moved it, among else, to cr50 when we got to make own die' then it prolly is not a standard konsoomer loltron. 1821314;1528405873;asciilifeform;the problem is that i cannot answer any useful question about it other than at brainmelting expense ( see the bolix thread ). 1821315;1528405938;asciilifeform;i can heat it to 400C and pull it off the board and see if power still goes ( chances are , it won't, d00d was telling the truth re other boobytraps previously ) , but that's about it. 1821316;1528406006;asciilifeform;this approach threatens to turn the project into 'phd assembly line', sorta half the point of this machine was that it could be conjured up from the konsoomer shelf version with 10min of effort and 100% yield 1821317;1528406037;asciilifeform;even supposing that cr50 were cleanly removable (the designers would have to be idiots, to make it cleanly removable, really) 1821318;1528406064;asciilifeform;anyway it is asciilifeform's teatime, and so i'ma bbl, inclined folx can puzzle over this puzzler . 1821319;1528406590;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-07#1821238 << crafty little strategy "we built a device with an open EC" "..." "we now have a sikrit cheap making sure our EC is not too open" 1821320;1528406590;a111;Logged on 2018-06-07 20:41 asciilifeform: ok, d00d left; https://archive.li/FFROT << whole thread snapshot. 1821321;1528406600;phf;*chip 1821322;1528406690;phf;and as much as i sometimes scoff at the lizard hitler suggestion, the whole narrative, tacitly supported by the relevant designer, is very much it. 1821323;1528406725;phf;"hey guys why don't we publish the secret chip bypass? -- what are you, some kind of terrorist/tinfoil??" 1821324;1528407775;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-07#1821267 << right about. i was mostly just embarrassed for him when i read his blog.. 1821325;1528407775;a111;Logged on 2018-06-07 20:50 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/martin-cracauer-is-a-fucking-moron/ << Trilema - Martin Cracauer is a fucking moron. 1821326;1528407946;mircea_popescu;scoff all you want, but as burl ives put it, "it's always there in the morning, ain't it". 1821327;1528408036;phf;it reminded me of how sometimes russian academics had problems with their american peers: some of those russians learned english from VHS, so found it acceptable to use ebonics in speech. 1821328;1528408081;mircea_popescu;that shit's hysterical. 1821329;1528408103;mod6;lmao 1821330;1528408112;phf;i mean, it's a different scenario, but that must be the feeling americans felt in the situations like that 1821331;1528408161;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, are you proposing german axehandles learned english from special ed courses ? 1821332;1528408269;phf;no no, i'm trying to clarify the sort of embarrassed i felt when i read his blog. but in the case of russians it was misunderstanding, in this case though it's something else entirely.. 1821333;1528408565;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-07#1821289 << https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/7/19/957 https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/7/27/523 (i'm sure ascii saw already, adding for logs) 1821334;1528408565;a111;Logged on 2018-06-07 21:03 asciilifeform: it is called cr50. also seems to go by 'h1 secure microcontroller' 1821335;1528408682;mircea_popescu;so then cr50 is the firmware, and the hardware is actually some kind of bulk chip ? 1821336;1528408880;asciilifeform;if it's a shelf chip with title sanded off, neither i nor apparently anybody else knows which 1821337;1528408888;mircea_popescu;but i suspect it ~IS~. 1821338;1528408906;phf;that's what it looks like, H1 B2C on ascii's photo. no mentions of it anywhere on nets, outside of google marketing material 1821339;1528408930;mircea_popescu;you mean no mentions google shows you ? 1821340;1528408962;asciilifeform;google had various crapola fabbed in the past, it wouldn't be a first 1821341;1528408982;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't. 1821342;1528409055;phf;right, i did try mouser/digikey first 1821343;1528409114;asciilifeform;i've been looking for it since it was first mentioned in last wk's thread with the d00d 1821344;1528409141;mircea_popescu;i was hoping maybe the firmware might indicate. 1821345;1528409143;asciilifeform;so far no dice, not in ru sphere either 1821346;1528409188;asciilifeform;fw (or what claims to be the fw, i cannot verify re actual iron) is a c proggy, for what looks like an arm 1821347;1528409191;phf;this is the kind of stuff phrack was supposed to talk about, but meanwhile the community was gutted.. 1821348;1528409198;mircea_popescu;indeed! 1821349;1528409203;asciilifeform;but this tells us ~nothing to narrow it 1821350;1528409226;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, well, it's an 1 in 1 out chip is it ? 1821351;1528409235;asciilifeform;quite likely, the fella was telling the truth, it's a google.nsa die 1821352;1528409252;mircea_popescu;neither of these have fabs. 1821353;1528409252;asciilifeform;what means 1 in 1 out ? 1821354;1528409259;mircea_popescu;nor either of these has the mental acuity to fab. 1821355;1528409271;mircea_popescu;they exist out of "mandating" ie, posturing what the actual people should od. 1821356;1528409276;asciilifeform;stamp reads TWN , taiwan 1821357;1528409304;asciilifeform;lotsa folx have no own fab . e.g. sun microsystems didnt 1821358;1528409339;asciilifeform;owning fab is not usually +ev 1821359;1528409377;mircea_popescu;lotta folks don't have women, owning women is not usually +ev bla bla. virgins. 1821360;1528409405;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to it : the cp50's point of interest is, that it has a connection to power button. this is a single line, is it ? 1821361;1528409417;asciilifeform;vertical integration is a thing, google bought a few power plants; but afaik not fab yet 1821362;1528409452;asciilifeform;not single line, seems to handle the keyboard matrix also ( for reset combo ) and possibly vregs also 1821363;1528409462;asciilifeform;hard to say without schems or xray 1821364;1528409466;mircea_popescu;hm 1821365;1528409543;asciilifeform;pretty strange, that they put the kbd through both 1821366;1528409565;asciilifeform;has the appearance of a hasty and gnarly glue job 1821367;1528409578;asciilifeform;( why even keep the orig ec ) 1821368;1528409689;mircea_popescu;yes. which is also why i think this is where the levee should break 1821369;1528409793;asciilifeform;what does mircea_popescu propose ? 1821370;1528409807;asciilifeform;cuz i'm stumped 1821371;1528409828;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-07#1821257 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-07#1821251 1821372;1528409828;a111;Logged on 2018-06-07 20:48 mircea_popescu: sometimes, pencildick designs benefit immensely from liberal application of mailed fist. 1821373;1528409828;a111;Logged on 2018-06-07 20:47 mircea_popescu: pshaw. i'm willing to pay for the board this is tested on. 1821374;1528409830;mircea_popescu;smash it out. 1821375;1528409846;asciilifeform;no kbd, no power 1821376;1528409859;mircea_popescu;usb kbd ? short the powerline ? 1821377;1528409864;asciilifeform;matrix kbd 1821378;1528409872;mircea_popescu;i dunno, if it was ACTUALLY apply hammer, i'd have done it myself\ 1821379;1528409873;asciilifeform;thing scans it 1821380;1528409880;asciilifeform;it's the kbd cobtrolr 1821381;1528409887;asciilifeform;controller 1821382;1528409897;phf;asciilifeform: smash it out carefully, could mail it to zeptobars, maybe get some idea what sort of beast we're dealing with.. 1821383;1528409906;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1821384;1528409913;mircea_popescu;understand, the cost of failure here is minimal. 1821385;1528409916;asciilifeform;phf: they ever did the bolix? 1821386;1528409925;mircea_popescu;not afaik. 1821387;1528409954;asciilifeform;and bolix is a 2um; this thing is prolly 22nm 1821388;1528409972;asciilifeform;one's 50k$ of work, other 5mil 1821389;1528409995;phf;asciilifeform: no need to, i have all the relevant bits, just need to package them for you 1821390;1528410007;asciilifeform;but know what, i'ma lift it before throwing out whole board, for phf 1821391;1528410078;phf;i'm sure a russian with an electron microscope would love nothing more than do a careful job on a bonafide fritz chip 1821392;1528410100;mircea_popescu;let those "warrants" fly 1821393;1528410107;phf;worse case he'll just fail, but probably at the limit of what he can do 1821394;1528410111;asciilifeform;maybe by 2040 he finishes 1821395;1528410126;mircea_popescu;holy shit i'm not waiting that long for nudies. 1821396;1528410152;asciilifeform;hence q, wat do 1821397;1528410174;*;phf afk 1821398;1528410188;asciilifeform;brb 1821399;1528410195;mircea_popescu;me3. 1821400;1528412275;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/board/cr50/ << for threadcompleteness -- the purported src. 1821401;1528412359;asciilifeform;i have reasons to suspect that if it indeed has anything to do with the physical item, it is only partial picture. 1821402;1528412464;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/board/cr50/gpio.inc << claims to be the i/o mapping . 1821403;1528412520;asciilifeform;the 'PINMUX' bit suggests that the informant d00d was telling the truth, thing indeed controls vreg bringup, at least the 3.3v rail 1821404;1528412555;asciilifeform;( so far errything he said, such that asciilifeform was able to probe, turned out to be troo. if he's a liar, he's a very high-quality liar ) 1821405;1528413423;asciilifeform;https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/master/board/cr50/tpm2/rsa.c#L651 << magic pubkeyz in the rom 1821406;1528414344;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/extra/cr50_rma_open/cr50_rma_open.py << last piece of lulz, for nao: claims to be 'tester's' defuse for the boobytrap. however dun work with my box, it has the 'ccd' console command locked out 1821407;1528414361;asciilifeform;but suggests that the thing is a standard arm chip, with flash ram, that can be rewritten 1821408;1528416526;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1821409;1528416717;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, phf & anyone in the l1 that cares : should i actually push this http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-07#1821229 thing ? 1821410;1528416717;a111;Logged on 2018-06-07 20:13 phf: asciilifeform: can they put a bot here so it'll quote for us? :) 1821411;1528416770;asciilifeform;dunno that the game is worth the candles; better to try an' persuade the 1 useful d00d to visit 1821412;1528416785;asciilifeform;( he seems to log in erry coupla days, i'ma try him next ) 1821413;1528416790;mircea_popescu;i mean, the backstop would obviously be "either follow spec as-is or get out of chan", i suppose. i don't specifically care either way, we already have plenty of proper loggers for one thing, and the original, "Hey, maybe someone exists on freenode that's both a) not totally braindead and b) hasn't heard of #trilema yet" was thoroughly proven wrong by now ; the intelligence flow is the other way. 1821414;1528416804;asciilifeform;or do i misread the q 1821415;1528416816;mircea_popescu;how do you read it ? 1821416;1528416816;asciilifeform;and it's about the logger thing, not #rockchip 1821417;1528416836;mircea_popescu;it is about _whitelogger bot following spec and reading out lines. 1821418;1528416853;asciilifeform;aaaaa 1821419;1528416862;asciilifeform;yea theoretically useful 1821420;1528416876;mircea_popescu;odds are it'll result in it leaving, i'm guessing. 1821421;1528416965;mircea_popescu;!!key whitequark\ 1821422;1528416965;deedbot;Not registered. 1821423;1528416966;mircea_popescu;!!key whitequark 1821424;1528416967;deedbot;Not registered. 1821425;1528416978;mircea_popescu;i mean, doodn's not even had the common decency to reg up, however many months later. 1821426;1528417006;mircea_popescu;cuz whatever, everyone's speshul and lives life on own terms and whatever geeky bs. 1821427;1528417028;asciilifeform;who runs that thing ? 1821428;1528417033;mircea_popescu;^ 1821429;1528417061;asciilifeform;aa so it's a sad rando anon 1821430;1528417115;mircea_popescu;quantum computing something something, i kinda tuned out past that point. 1821431;1528417168;asciilifeform;snoar 1821432;1528417245;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-other-dead-things/ the history of it. 1821433;1528417336;mircea_popescu;six months, during which not one reader of irclog.whitequark.org turned out to exist should be amply sufficient data from that angle. 1821434;1528417389;mircea_popescu;but whatever, it's what the empire's got, #lisp is about "lisp" and so on. 1821435;1528418058;mircea_popescu;!!up trinque 1821436;1528418059;deedbot;trinque voiced for 30 minutes. 1821437;1528418221;mod6;the zeptobars route may be a decent idea. has anyone reached out to that guy? 1821438;1528418245;mod6;they take bitcoin donations, but, no coins ever sent :[ 1821439;1528418245;mircea_popescu;i imagine phf 1821440;1528418266;mod6;here's their addy posted on their "support" page: 1ZeptoBhGA4wewwVv3BZTYyaBtc87nMNg 1821441;1528418269;mircea_popescu;hey phf, you actually know the fellows ? how about they show up here and work something out ? 1821442;1528418277;asciilifeform;mod6: read end of thread, subj is a ~standard arm with eeprom that ( per my experimentation in past 2hr ) actually does seem to contain something like the linked crapola 1821443;1528418311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i'd still like to get some actual working something out of whatever kanzureism "zeptobar" currently is. 1821444;1528418313;asciilifeform;it doesn't have a magic symmetric key, there's a ecc public sig thing to unlock the boobytrap and, e.g., erase/reprogram the thing 1821445;1528418324;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd luuvvvvv a properly photographed bolix... 1821446;1528418356;asciilifeform;which is just about practical. but 22nm -- don't hold breath 1821447;1528418372;mircea_popescu;right. 1821448;1528418380;mircea_popescu;btw, didja phuctor it ? 1821449;1528418386;asciilifeform;not to mention that it seems to be a ~pogo with eeprom proggy (these dun show on micrograph anyway) 1821450;1528418393;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phuctor dun ecc 1821451;1528418402;mircea_popescu;oh, ecc. of course, of course. 1821452;1528418407;asciilifeform;aaaha 1821453;1528418431;asciilifeform;btw the 'h1' turd is a mass of c crapola, chances are there's an overflow somewhere 1821454;1528418434;asciilifeform;like there was in intel's me 1821455;1528418438;mircea_popescu;you know, it occurs to me... it it's a captive minichip. it should be... defeatable. keep feeding it bad sigs and measure the powerlines. 1821456;1528418452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's that give ? 1821457;1528418464;asciilifeform;it dun have a seekrit to extract, simply checks pubkey sig 1821458;1528418474;mircea_popescu;yes, but it might give you some code layout maybe ? 1821459;1528418486;asciilifeform;i'm actually ~persuaded that the posted code actually runs 1821460;1528418490;mircea_popescu;ah 1821461;1528418496;mircea_popescu;then nm. 1821462;1528418529;asciilifeform;it's a pretty plain boobytrap, wants magic sig to r/w the 'h1' firmware, or to unlock the console (which gives rootkit access to whole ram, cpu, ec, etc via the usb jack) 1821463;1528418553;mircea_popescu;what is it, 256bit eec key ? 1821464;1528418556;asciilifeform;aha 1821465;1528418610;mircea_popescu;hm. 1821466;1528418683;mircea_popescu;listen, my (often wrong, millitantly ignorant, whatever) intuition is that if oyu have an oracle in your hands (the chip after all DOES say yes or no) and all you want to do is produce a sig it accepts for an arbitrary string, you should be able to achieve this bit fiddling in less than 2^256 tries. 1821467;1528418702;asciilifeform;if i can do this, i think i'll skip the small change and take home satoshi's coinz 1821468;1528418736;asciilifeform;in so far as i can tell, the thing implements plain old 'p256' ecctron 1821469;1528418741;asciilifeform;with no ~obvious~ hole 1821470;1528418829;mircea_popescu;i'd love nothing more than qntra running a "google's ecc crypto defeated in field" 1821471;1528418830;mircea_popescu;but... yeah. 1821472;1528418900;mircea_popescu;anyway... let ~them~ explain how "it was an implementation error -- no fundamental ecc breach". 1821473;1528418930;mircea_popescu;after all the "rsa is broken because we've been misimplementing it for 20 years under our governmentalpg brand hurr" stories, it'd be quite pleasant. 1821474;1528419663;asciilifeform;... interestingly, the 101 apparently comes with all of the usb debug ~driving~ end crapola, and will happily diddle itself when plugged into... itself 1821475;1528419679;asciilifeform;( 1 end of hose goes into usbc, other end -- normal usb3 jack between the 2 usbc's ) 1821476;1528419720;mircea_popescu;ha 1821477;1528419732;asciilifeform;however still gives eggog '127' when attempting 'usb_updater -U' i.e. 'start unlock sequence' 1821478;1528419741;asciilifeform;same as when driven from real comp (unsurprising) 1821479;1528419777;mircea_popescu;i'm telling you, building a fuzzing harness for a bunch of these may not be a bad way to lock down a machine (driving the fuzzing) for a week or two. 1821480;1528419796;mircea_popescu;the worst case being what, a pile of useless data ? big woop, i have some of that myself, isn't killing me. 1821481;1528419815;asciilifeform;i'm at that magical 'should i throw it out or buy 6'(tm)(r) stage 1821482;1528419846;mircea_popescu;buy 6. 1821483;1528419922;asciilifeform;i could use some eagle eyes on the coad, also 1821484;1528419934;asciilifeform;1 eagle is worth 9000 'fuzzers' 1821485;1528419941;mircea_popescu;bill s.nsa for 'em and there you go. worst case we have some not-great hammers. 1821486;1528419960;asciilifeform;i'm still curious re mircea_popescu's logic re the older box 1821487;1528419966;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, where's the logline of you going "hey, this is confusing to me therefore cryptic to anyone" ? 1821488;1528419974;mircea_popescu;which older box ? 1821489;1528419978;asciilifeform;c100pa 1821490;1528419986;asciilifeform;that the dev d00d mentioned 1821491;1528420006;asciilifeform;how would it make sense for it to be ~moar~ subtly boobied than the 101 1821492;1528420023;mircea_popescu;there's this vicious slander going about according to which i actually use some sort of thought process. i wish to deny such rumours right now. 1821493;1528420029;mircea_popescu;i've not thought a line in my life! 1821494;1528420033;asciilifeform;lol 1821495;1528420058;esthlos;trinque: I added a manifest to my v_genesis vpatch. I'm curious, though, how these items (vtron, manifest) become declared "standard", if ever 1821496;1528420095;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: upstack: possibly you were looking for the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595992 thread 1821497;1528420095;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 23:07 asciilifeform: there is ~0 actual relationship between 'confusing to the naked eye' and 'crypto-hard' 1821498;1528420109;mircea_popescu;esthlos, there's some discussion, after which i pick something and start asking people nicely / kicking them in the head about it. 1821499;1528420130;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, that sentiment, but different words. 2015ish vintage i tihnk 1821500;1528420132;esthlos;sounds good 1821501;1528420149;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: almost definitely in the symmetrics thread 1821502;1528420156;mircea_popescu;hm, that's a thought 1821503;1528420254;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474768 possibly. 1821504;1528420254;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 17:43 asciilifeform: 'aes is hard to break' 'says who' 'says me, i haven't broken it yet' 1821505;1528420265;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-04#1396415 1821506;1528420265;a111;Logged on 2016-02-04 17:30 ascii_butugychag: 'this was confusing to ME' is the basis, EVERY MOTHERFUCKING TIME 1821507;1528420269;asciilifeform;aha! 1821508;1528420270;asciilifeform;it 1821509;1528420284;mircea_popescu;i forgot you're polynymic. 1821510;1528420290;asciilifeform;yea it was definitely while asciilifeform was in butugychag 1821511;1528420336;mircea_popescu;sprucing up the dummkopf article ; apparently i hadn't put enough links in there, counterintuitively. 1821512;1528420346;*;asciilifeform just nao ate it 1821513;1528420390;asciilifeform;btw, curious what mircea_popescu's allergy to 'short ooda loop' is. for instance, mircea_popescu , like asciilifeform , seems to have thrown out his film camera, uses electronic one. why not use film, if 'short ooda loop is for lamers' ? 1821514;1528420413;asciilifeform;film , for the money, beats the living shit out of digicam 1821515;1528420413;mircea_popescu;then they wonder why they don't ever have any gfs, these people. "i tried to evaluate whether she's my gf in a second or less, came out negative" "maybe give it i dunoo... FIVE DAYS ?" "omfg what ? i don't like... live that long" 1821516;1528420442;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i am at no point in there hating on short ooda loop. i am hating on the idiocy he surrounds it with. 1821517;1528420457;asciilifeform;ok this is where i admit that i have not read the orig idjicy.. 1821518;1528420458;mircea_popescu;pro tip : photographs taken today are shittier than photographs taken on film. who dun it ? 1821519;1528420467;asciilifeform;verily 1821520;1528420486;mircea_popescu;"but mp... i ~copuld~ take better pics today than in 1970. point in case -- i didn't even TAKE pics back then" 1821521;1528420487;asciilifeform;film gives you, what, equiv of 20-30 'megapixel' for phree 1821522;1528420493;asciilifeform;moar, if you have a largeformat cam 1821523;1528420493;*;mircea_popescu 's head explodes. 1821524;1528420522;asciilifeform;asciilifeform was one of those weirdos with massive pile of film, and even trunk of old photo gear 1821525;1528420524;mircea_popescu;no but see, all the faggots that take pics today and didn't in 1970 are exactly all the faggots that couldn't read books before they were made on pulp paper by pulp paper book makers. 1821526;1528420564;*;asciilifeform regularly has this convo thread with pet, 'books sucked less when they had to be stitchbound' 1821527;1528420581;mircea_popescu;i saw a terrible film recently, with doris day. something something bla bla bla. she spends the whole time in an ugly looking deerskin. 1821528;1528420598;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER. she can dance. she can sing. because she's a 1950s actress, and that was a PROFESSION which MEANT SOMETHING. 1821529;1528420644;asciilifeform;sorta reminiscent of the old rifle thread ( 'good old days, 7.62x54mm mosin, back when people could still aim, make every pop count' ) 1821530;1528420831;mircea_popescu;you know i recently googled a pic, and google helpfully informed me who the, and i quote, "reality television personality, model, entrepreneur, socialite, and social media personality" involved were ? 1821531;1528420845;mircea_popescu;and i was sitting there in disbelief, "dude, it's two milf lamers in a tub, what the fuck". 1821532;1528420864;mircea_popescu;jordyn ?! fucking seriously ?! 1821533;1528420902;*;asciilifeform sadly entirely unfamiliar with subj 1821534;1528420933;mircea_popescu;point remains, two bit everything all around. that's your "short ooda loop". it's a lot closer to cocaine than the users realise. 1821535;1528420953;asciilifeform;it's the old flies-and-cutlets thread 1821536;1528420957;asciilifeform;meat in the sun. 1821537;1528421008;asciilifeform;there is not a mechanical cure for the need to exclude vermin 1821538;1528421024;asciilifeform;which, yes, will be irresistibly attracted to tasties 1821539;1528421045;mircea_popescu;right. so you know, my allergy "to the short ooda loop" is all the flies going "o man, this is great! yay!". it's not to the fucking meat, i eat steak tartare every so often 1821540;1528421053;mircea_popescu;but i also don't like to hear that buzzing sound. 1821541;1528421078;asciilifeform;makes sense. 1821542;1528421082;mircea_popescu;"corpse whistle" or however you call it. 1821543;1528421134;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/tpm2/+/master << for aficionados. the crypto, such as they are, routines in the cr50 thing. ( even seems to include a kind of orc rsa ) 1821544;1528421177;mircea_popescu;anyway ; i thought that point comes through, but maybe not as well as i'd have wanted. 1821545;1528421246;asciilifeform;there was an old thread, with the heavy roman lorica 1821546;1528421251;asciilifeform;can't seem to find it nao 1821547;1528421259;mircea_popescu;and the "too heavy" helmets ? 1821548;1528421262;asciilifeform;them 1821549;1528421285;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2018/heres-how-pantsuitism-christianity-ruined-civilisation-in-both-the-ancient-and-the-modern-world/#selection-109.0-109.1154 1821550;1528421300;asciilifeform;yes! it 1821551;1528421360;asciilifeform;iirc there was a continuation, where , something like asciilifeform:'lorica oughta be heavy, but from iron, not lead weights' and mircea_popescu:~'but only the centurion who wears it should get to decide why heavy' 1821552;1528421380;asciilifeform;or perhaps i dreamed this. 1821553;1528421385;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as ankle weights. my slavegirls should know, they get them lots. 1821554;1528421393;mircea_popescu;that -- heavy from lead. 1821555;1528421405;asciilifeform;there are, 'тяжело в учении -- легко в бою'(tm)(r) 1821556;1528421418;mircea_popescu;"but mp, why does girl need to wear 5kgs of ankle weight for hours on end ?" "so when i fuck her, her knees are straight" 1821557;1528421488;mircea_popescu;and btw, the idiot airport guards keep slicing the weights. cuz it's by now so rare an item i guess, "gotta see what's inside". 1821558;1528421506;asciilifeform;'could be plutonium' lol 1821559;1528421527;mircea_popescu;well... it basically is shotgun shot. 1821560;1528421528;asciilifeform;i suppose anyffin that dun xray properly, is insta-suspicious to the derps 1821561;1528421541;asciilifeform;could contain whatever, in the middle of lead sphere 1821562;1528421554;mircea_popescu;yeah. it contains nice ass, in the middle of the lead sphere. 1821563;1528421568;asciilifeform;then obvious why they'd like to search 1821564;1528421572;asciilifeform;'lemme inspect this' 1821565;1528421581;mircea_popescu;lol. if only. 1821566;1528421648;mircea_popescu;but yes, re the тяжело в учении -- легко в бою bit -- it comes as a shock generally that "your training must ~exceed~ actual usage, by a ~factor~. you don't train for 80% of what you'll do ; you train for 250% to 300%+ of what you'll actually do." 1821567;1528421666;mircea_popescu;then, легко в бою indeed. 1821568;1528421672;asciilifeform;upstack, before i start to fall asleep -- what do we wanna do in re the c101 ? march on with curing the 'ordinary' boot rom, and then sit on the thing pending a successful break of the cr50 booby ? shelf whole thing ? which'll it be 1821569;1528421696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, do you suspect the core can actually talk to the netbridge ? 1821570;1528421735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it can rewrite the boot rom, is what i know for certain so far 1821571;1528421749;asciilifeform;but i've not found a remote trigger for it. (dun mean there isn't one) 1821572;1528421770;mircea_popescu;yes, but it seems to me it's basically a local rootkit. so it's not such an overwhelming concern for the contemplated usecase -- give iphone girly machine. 1821573;1528421794;asciilifeform;i suspect the thing exists mainly to 1) help 'law enforce' folx pry passwords from unwilling patient's box 2) persistence nest for assorted usgologies installed via pwned userland 1821574;1528421805;asciilifeform;it's pretty much same as intel 'me' 1821575;1528421813;mircea_popescu;so in a sense it's up to you. if you've lost the love of labour because of the cp50 issue, i guess it dies. but if not, i do not see it's a waste of time. make it boot cleanly, try see what happens if you remove the item, try see what happens if you fuzz the item, maybe more stuff occurs -- this is a productive line of research. 1821576;1528421816;mircea_popescu;or so i deem. 1821577;1528421834;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, you're probably right. 1821578;1528421844;asciilifeform;i'ma carry on with curing the bootloader then. and when 'h1' pops, it pops, we get clean box 1821579;1528421851;asciilifeform;or who knows, 'the horse may die' etc. 1821580;1528421858;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1821581;1528421863;asciilifeform;aite, worx 1821582;1528421874;asciilifeform;the 1.8v spi probing rig comes in next wk. 1821583;1528421903;mircea_popescu;anyway, can also prep a boot rom that has a canary. 1821584;1528421950;asciilifeform;elaborate 1821585;1528421992;asciilifeform;( what means here, canary ) 1821586;1528421997;mircea_popescu;i dunno, have the boot flash a pink pixel, put a number on screen, whatever. replacement boot sequence won't know to do it, will it. 1821587;1528422008;asciilifeform;aa in that sense yes 1821588;1528422014;mircea_popescu;so then you know it's been flashed. 1821589;1528422016;mircea_popescu;>0. 1821590;1528422050;asciilifeform;fwiw the boot rom reads from linux's ordinary spi driver, in userland 1821591;1528422062;mircea_popescu;in more general terms, if you had to dismantle every organisation the moment it had a mole in it... there'd be no organisations ever. 1821592;1528422088;asciilifeform;( i.e. 'h1' does not sit , as far as i can tell, between cpu and bootrom , but rather sits on the bus ) 1821593;1528422102;mircea_popescu;this is the common design, neh ? 1821594;1528422120;asciilifeform;on x86 boxen, southbridge usually sits directly between cpu and bios rom 1821595;1528422135;asciilifeform;( given as x86 cpu does not know how to speak spi/lpc/etc ) 1821596;1528422148;mircea_popescu;no but these are arms. i thought this is what arm mostly is, bridge-wise. 1821597;1528422312;asciilifeform;there seem to be 4 onboard busses in the thing; ram ( just cpu and dram ) ; pci ( occupied by 80211 chip , you prolly could safely pull it out, even sits on conveniently protruding bit of pcb ) ; spi ( connects to : cpu; boot rom; ec ; 'h1' ) ; i2c ( connects to cpu ; 'h1' ; voltage regs ) . 1821598;1528422335;asciilifeform;this is to count only the onboard (i.e. excluding usb) 1821599;1528422375;asciilifeform;iirc the audio dac sits on i2c also 1821600;1528422388;asciilifeform;this is currently best picture i have ( wish i had the schem... ) 1821601;1528422425;mircea_popescu;honesrtly i'd still rather get this than "go to store buy intel chip" 1821602;1528422429;asciilifeform;yea 1821603;1528422512;asciilifeform;so far i did find how to disable #wp signal on the h1 ( it tracks the battery-triggered #wp ). the way updater works, it permits flashing in any old turd, and it goes in a temp slot, which only on next boot gets ecc-sigchecked 1821604;1528422523;asciilifeform;potentially we find a hole in this process. 1821605;1528422559;mircea_popescu;this is conceivable. 1821606;1528422566;asciilifeform;if can find , e.g., overflow, then can have whatever payload waiting there to be jumped into. 1821607;1528422580;mircea_popescu;honestly, i don't expect either elegance or smoothness come out of the haphazard antidesign style of google et all. 1821608;1528422584;asciilifeform;( which is less painful than if nothing could be shat into it to begin with ) 1821609;1528422586;mircea_popescu;something somewhere's crackin'. 1821610;1528422594;asciilifeform;it's a massive ball o'shit 1821611;1528422630;asciilifeform;and the contents do seem to correspond, at least partially, to the published src. so there's definitely something to work against. 1821612;1528422639;asciilifeform;( hey douchebag ! ) 1821613;1528422644;mircea_popescu;lol srsly. 1821614;1528422663;mircea_popescu;contrary to your respective inclinations, you two'd actually make a great team. very bias-mismatched. 1821615;1528422715;asciilifeform;i used to work with a roughly similar fella, so yes, agree 1821616;1528422737;asciilifeform;now if he can be arisen from his arse... 1821617;1528422876;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1821618;1528423897;mircea_popescu;in other holy shit... google returns my own stored image if you try and find the "porch monkey" thing. jesus f. the web is pointless. 1821619;1528424954;mircea_popescu;"NEW YORK, June 05, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- The Nasdaq Stock Market announced today that it will delist the common stock of Long Blockchain Corp. Long Blockchain Corp.’s stock was suspended on April 12, 2018 and has not traded on Nasdaq since that time. " 1821620;1528424958;mircea_popescu;in other news nobody carted about. 1821621;1528425692;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the beach, https://78.media.tumblr.com/d8b02d8788229d446afa7d98ff438d22/tumblr_oxei6oXluN1ubezpxo1_1280.jpg 1821622;1528463367;spyked;re. nsa laptop thread: olimex ppl (huh, it seems I keep mentioning these folks) have a "diy laptop kit" whose specs are very similar to the c101pa (for comparison: http://archive.is/4cp8W vs. https://www.olimex.com/Products/DIY-Laptop/KITS/TERES-A64-WHITE/open-source-hardware , the latter doesn't seem to archive for some reason). it's a candidate for my (by now long) hw-to-buy list, the "open sores diy" aspect is otoh the biggest 1821623;1528463373;spyked;selling point. 1821624;1528463942;asciilifeform;spyked: it's utter rubbish 1821625;1528463981;asciilifeform;blobulent slow arm, non-ips lcd, shitplastic case, toystore keyboard 1821626;1528464253;asciilifeform;don't encourage the 'i can peddle liquishit parts that would've been spat on in china street markets decade ago , if i stamp Open on the box!' hucksters. 1821627;1528464637;spyked;asciilifeform, could please expand re. "blobulent arm"? it's allwinner a53 afaik? I have no comments re. all other points other than: judging from what I hear, only alternative seems "bake own case/kbd/other parts or reuse ones from x60/whatever". 1821628;1528464924;asciilifeform;spyked: i could be wrong re the blobs, but iirc there is no fully open loader for a53 1821629;1528464972;asciilifeform;i was actually in line to buy the box myself, for something like a year, turn finally came but by that time i got to see the photos / reviews 1821630;1528465075;asciilifeform;spyked: reusing parts from existing lappy is possible, tho tricky, you would have to reverse engineer the kbd matrix, buy its weirdo connector somewhere , make kbd scan controller, etc. 1821631;1528465093;mircea_popescu;well, don't encourage the "ima make really strong damning statements without my notes" stuff either. 1821632;1528465111;asciilifeform;i sat down to do this some yrs ago, then decided that life is too short 1821633;1528465150;mircea_popescu;this what ? keep track of why you rejected $item ?! 1821634;1528465152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't properly damn it, not having suffered with it with own skin 1821635;1528465159;asciilifeform;no 1821636;1528465163;mircea_popescu;yes, but you still had some sort of thought process. 1821637;1528465167;asciilifeform;keyboard-reuse 1821638;1528465186;mircea_popescu;oh 1821639;1528465268;asciilifeform;re upstack -- i do not currently have an 'allwinner', cannot comment re its uboot definitively. 1821640;1528465367;mircea_popescu;so "it's utter rubbish" / "i suspect the os dyi may be sprinkling of holy water, but never checked this. let me know if you establish one way or the other" ? 1821641;1528465411;asciilifeform;the physical chassis is the very solidly rubbish part 1821642;1528465444;mircea_popescu;ah. right. cp is metal isn't it. 1821643;1528465453;asciilifeform;yea 1821644;1528465482;asciilifeform;all aluminum ( but the hinge cover, where antenna lives ) 1821645;1528465509;asciilifeform;and better kbd than $3k crapple ( tho similar to decade ago crapple ) 1821646;1528465511;mircea_popescu;i honestly dunno what diff it makes for what's intended as a cheap throwaway anyway 1821647;1528465532;asciilifeform;kinda costly for throwaway 1821648;1528465537;mircea_popescu;kbd... well... yeah. though i loathe laptop kbds equally anyway. nonstandard shape 1821649;1528465571;asciilifeform;yea there is not and afaik has never been such a thing as a truly pleasant laptop kbd 1821650;1528465584;mircea_popescu;cuz they insist on making them unwide. 1821651;1528465605;asciilifeform; i have one with full width and numpad. believe or not 1821652;1528465608;asciilifeform;still sucks 1821653;1528465619;mircea_popescu;why the fuck they imagine ~this~ is engineering problem to solve is anyone's guess. but the laptop kbds they produce are reminiscent of lens-shaped dildos. WHY WOULD YOU 1821654;1528465625;mircea_popescu;"oh, it's ERGONOMIC". no it isn't. 1821655;1528465629;mircea_popescu;it's inhumane. 1821656;1528465641;mircea_popescu;"but mp, who are you to define humanity" shut it. i said, shut it. 1821657;1528465654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, really ? which is this one ? 1821658;1528465684;asciilifeform;stinkpad w540 1821659;1528465799;asciilifeform;( massive tank of a box, 32G, 8core thing, multiple drive slots, kg power brick, etc . but still sad and shallow, vs x60, not even speaking of troo desktop, kbd ) 1821660;1528465858;asciilifeform;but -- has width... numpad, arrows. 1821661;1528465893;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, 340.5mm. not even close. 1821662;1528465907;asciilifeform;i did most of the early trb on that thing 1821663;1528465923;mircea_popescu;good for you but my hands are made for slapping bitches in place. 450mm plox ty. 1821664;1528466056;asciilifeform;there's a 450mm lappy? 1821665;1528466064;mircea_popescu;this is what i'm saying. 1821666;1528466085;mircea_popescu;keyboard is the size it is. laptop builds around that, the size of the keyboard is not an open engineering problem. 1821667;1528466093;asciilifeform;hell, i'd buy a lappy with a spring kbd. but can only dream of this. 1821668;1528466158;mircea_popescu;yeah, we've not even got to the extra annoying extra short travel distance. 1821669;1528466180;asciilifeform;and it keeps shrinking 1821670;1528466197;asciilifeform;recent boxen feel just about like banging fingers on table 1821671;1528466228;asciilifeform;with, of course, the grim end of the line, being the glass pseudokbd 1821672;1528466266;mircea_popescu;in the immortal words of brick pollitt, "that will come too." 1821673;1528466287;asciilifeform;already came, in pnojeism 1821674;1528466453;asciilifeform;far upstack, re the 'cr50' thread -- asciilifeform woke up today and realized that we can simply cut #wp track on spi rom ( naturally after filling it with e.g. uboot ) 1821675;1528466559;mircea_popescu;right. 1821676;1528469415;asciilifeform;in other noose, i found the vendor binary for my particular box's cr50 (all ver strings match) : https://gsdview.appspot.com/chromeos-localmirror/distfiles/cr50.r0.0.10.w0.3.0.tbz2 1821677;1528469439;asciilifeform;this is useful because there is not, apparently, any means for getting a locked h1 to disgorge its fw 1821678;1528469481;asciilifeform;( 0.3.0/cr50_v1.9308_25_B.45-d65d216 ) 1821679;1528470064;asciilifeform;the arch is, apparently, 'arm cortex m' 1821680;1528470357;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/ << support crapola for the chip, apparently. 1821681;1528470448;asciilifeform;more interestingly, https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/loader/verify.c << there ~is~ an rsa key embedded, apparently one variant for fw update 1821682;1528470506;mircea_popescu;ha-HA! 1821683;1528471544;mod6;oh hey! 1821684;1528473459;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/big-botnet-of-small-routers-gets-bigger/ << Qntra - Big Botnet Of Small Routers Gets Bigger 1821685;1528473536;BingoBoingo;Watching this laptop get molested in channel in near real time is a complete joy. 1821686;1528474449;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/rdd.c#20 << as i suspected, thing drives the receiving end of the debug snake ( the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 item ) 1821687;1528474657;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/config_chip.h#139 << implies that google does not actually hold all of the privkeys 1821688;1528475919;mircea_popescu;heh 1821689;1528476041;BingoBoingo;lol 1821690;1528476203;mircea_popescu;anyway ; basically old lizzards hold exact same pov as tmsr, keeping rsa keys and letting the bumbling kiddies play about with the ecc. 1821691;1528477122;asciilifeform;just like we found with the amd fritz 1821692;1528477388;mircea_popescu;quite. 1821693;1528477428;mircea_popescu;(ftr, i am not proposing this agreement as some kind of proof.) 1821694;1528477728;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821658 << they could also bring back 701c butterfly keyboard design, but i guess that's too gimicky. 1821695;1528477728;a111;Logged on 2018-06-08 13:48 asciilifeform: stinkpad w540 1821696;1528477809;phf;i used to get comments about ibook in the early 2000s, like old boomer types asking me about y2k or whatever. get the same reaction with x60 now, some guy on amtrak wanted to talk about bitcoin 1821697;1528477906;BingoBoingo;The age of my laptop shocks Latinos and Latinas universally. 1821698;1528478061;phf;oh those are a special category. my iranians also get distressed because i use old hardware. 1821699;1528478133;asciilifeform;i was able to flash in the https://gsdview.appspot.com/chromeos-localmirror/distfiles/cr50.r0.0.10.w0.3.4.tbz2 image ; it supports a few moar commands, including 'rma open' returned-to-factory unlocker thing. but result was , unsurprisingly, 'with notes from hitler only' : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_unlock_nodice.txt 1821700;1528478211;asciilifeform;the vendor's 'we'll unlock' pg (to be fair, mentioned in no docs anywhere, only in the python proggy in the src repo) is only a taunt. 1821701;1528478244;asciilifeform;turns out also that this is the only routine that uses ecc crypto 1821702;1528478321;asciilifeform;( what can be flashed in : it gotta pass the rsa sig ; plus it gotta match the board id ; plus the version must be above the previous ) 1821703;1528478357;asciilifeform;so throwing in, e.g., old devkey-carryng versions, dunwork. 1821704;1528478403;phf;ah, so it's a "we'll unlock but not for you" 1821705;1528478408;asciilifeform;aaaha 1821706;1528478421;asciilifeform;for hitler, happily unlocks. 1821707;1528478540;asciilifeform;it's a deedbot-style challenge/response thing 1821708;1528478679;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/common/rma_auth.c#176 << mechanism, for the curious. 1821709;1528478755;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/common/rma_auth.c#254 << the magic moment where answer is checked. 1821710;1528478947;phf;heh they are also using gentoo for their stuff.. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromiumos-overlay/+/master/chromeos-base/chromeos-cr50-scripts/ 1821711;1528478964;asciilifeform;phf: all of google's linux-like crapola stack is gentoo-based 1821712;1528478975;asciilifeform;they plagiarized it long, long ago 1821713;1528478996;asciilifeform;( complete with own ebuilds, etc ) 1821714;1528479037;asciilifeform;phf: if you are able to build the usb snake -- lemme know which cr50 turd ver is in your box 1821715;1528479222;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821694 << i actually had that box. the mechanism is clever but i suspect that it wears out ( my unit, to be fair, did not last long enuff for the kbd clockwork to wear out, mobo died 1st ) 1821716;1528479222;a111;Logged on 2018-06-08 17:08 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821658 << they could also bring back 701c butterfly keyboard design, but i guess that's too gimicky. 1821717;1528482013;douchebag;hello 1821718;1528482222;BingoBoingo;Run moar Intel "descriptor region": https://archive.is/XFaFu 1821719;1528482682;asciilifeform;how the fuck is this a vuln tho 1821720;1528482692;asciilifeform;'ohnoez, user can flash his fw!' 1821721;1528482716;asciilifeform;'did not securely authenticate firmware updates' 1821722;1528482730;asciilifeform;ohnoez, not tivoized properly!11 1821723;1528482964;BingoBoingo;4srs 1821724;1528483400;BingoBoingo;The vulnerability is "person physically in control of machine can fuck it as he likes" 1821725;1528483815;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/security-researcher-continuing-to-receive-new-usg-charges-for-authoring-popular-code/ << Qntra - Security Researcher Continuing To Receive New USG Charges For Authoring Popular Code 1821726;1528485016;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/chromeos/partner/console/cr50reset?challenge=ABXFGCMDADUJFPQ7J8MQUUSTGXGTRTVJ6Z548PWC8AGMGT2QJ4BT3TW4HJVU4XLPASB4GE78RSBKYEHC&hwid=BOB <<< ahahaha roflmao. 1821727;1528485055;asciilifeform;reminiscent of old-time gsm carriers and their crippled handsets 1821728;1528485203;mircea_popescu;mhm 1821729;1528485213;mircea_popescu;looks like made by the exact same people, actually. 1821730;1528485272;asciilifeform;https://archive.li/ZtbxL << clue re origin of 'h1'. seems like they took a 'metallization mask' fpga, a la early asicminer crapola, and run licensed cortex-m3 core . 1821731;1528485303;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821721 << yup. you realise that as far as the imbeciles are concerned, once we break their laptop "security" it'll have been "terrorism" and "hacking" bla bla. 1821732;1528485303;a111;Logged on 2018-06-08 18:31 asciilifeform: 'did not securely authenticate firmware updates' 1821733;1528485382;asciilifeform;btw the #linux-rockchip d00d is definitely caught nao in telling a fib : 1) yes there is not one, but two magic keys (1 for flash updates, other for factory unlocker routine) and yes all deployed units can be popped via either 1821734;1528485460;mircea_popescu;right. 1821735;1528485474;asciilifeform;and that's just the visible crapola. 1821736;1528486364;asciilifeform;https://archive.li/Mzar8 << when it was in spam pr stage of life cycle. 1821737;1528486428;asciilifeform;( at first, unabashed usgology; then rebranded, disguised , as it was rolled out to production boards ) 1821738;1528486428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, isn't this fun tho 1821739;1528486441;asciilifeform;will be moar fun when it pops. 1821740;1528486453;mircea_popescu;"nation states". they can just say tmsr, why all the pretense. 1821741;1528486483;asciilifeform;'nobus'(tm)(r) 1821742;1528486744;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in contemporary etchings, https://78.media.tumblr.com/23e95b3188bc8b6198f810eab81e9572/tumblr_msz4naJTeh1snc50fo1_1280.jpg 1821743;1528560018;BingoBoingo;First! 1821744;1528560231;mircea_popescu;ha! 1821745;1528560682;BingoBoingo;I assume it is only quiet today because we are all excited to see what developments asciilifeform brings when he wakes from his well earned Odinsleep 1821746;1528560703;mircea_popescu;lol 1821747;1528560716;mircea_popescu;i'm mostly training a new class of slavegirls. it's epic fun. 1821748;1528560865;BingoBoingo;Seems like it from the posts. 1821749;1528560906;mircea_popescu;take this nikki_ff character. ff stands for facefuck, but what she dislikes is the nikki part. 1821750;1528561091;BingoBoingo;Awe, poor thing. She's going to have to work on that acceptance deal. 1821751;1528562085;mod6;mornin' 1821752;1528562123;*;mircea_popescu waves. 1821753;1528562202;mod6;:] 1821754;1528562390;mircea_popescu;newcastleslut, little red tab to the right of this one. 1821755;1528564088;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 << Loper OS - The Google H1 Fritz Chip. 1821756;1528564504;asciilifeform;^ summary of the goodz thus far. 1821757;1528564541;mircea_popescu;o hi there odin 1821758;1528564545;asciilifeform;lol 1821759;1528564551;mircea_popescu;hehe 1821760;1528564552;asciilifeform;i'ma brb: meat 1821761;1528564763;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/antifa-terrorist-caught-posing-as-alt-right-sperglord/ << Qntra - AntiFA Terrorist Caught Posing As Alt-Right Sperglord 1821762;1528564785;mircea_popescu;lol 1821763;1528565403;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in doubting heathens, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-09#22301347; 1821764;1528567337;mod6;asciilifeform: hey! very nice write up on your blog there. 1821765;1528567359;mod6;'URL was... a a Gmail' -> 'URL was... a Gmail' (perhaps) 1821766;1528568413;asciilifeform;updated, and with photo. 1821767;1528568455;mod6;ah, nice 1821768;1528570002;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo -- or anybody else who sometimes frequents heathen pits on www -- invited to spread the link to the cr50 summary there. 1821769;1528570039;asciilifeform;(possibly , whoknows, we get a google defector...) 1821770;1528572687;asciilifeform;lulzy thread in the rockchip chan btw. 1821771;1528572693;asciilifeform;folx invited to invade, join. 1821772;1528572712;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu , do you feel inclined to sport today ? ) 1821773;1528572742;asciilifeform;cuz asciilifeform must bbl, given meat. 1821774;1528577328;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will drop it in a few punchbowls 1821775;1528578802;BingoBoingo;!!up mother[m] 1821776;1528578803;deedbot;mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes. 1821777;1528580804;BingoBoingo;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821778;1528580805;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821779;1528580911;ben_vulpes;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821780;1528580911;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821781;1528580914;ben_vulpes;!!up loper_os_cr50_ 1821782;1528580914;deedbot;loper_os_cr50_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1821783;1528581167;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, sure 1821784;1528581502;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/koch-burns-gpg-signature-version-vulnerability/ << Qntra - Koch Burns GPG Signature Version Vulnerability 1821785;1528581836;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821786;1528581836;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821787;1528581841;mircea_popescu;who might you be then loper_os_cr50 ? 1821788;1528581877;loper_os_cr50;Just read the article on the Chromebook backdoor 1821789;1528581883;mircea_popescu;cool. 1821790;1528581918;loper_os_cr50;Currently reverse engineering the Holtek E-Link ICP 1821791;1528581948;loper_os_cr50;Is this a John Galt type movement? 1821792;1528581993;mircea_popescu;i suppose you could say that, why not. 1821793;1528582004;mircea_popescu;how's the holtek work going ? publishing anywhere ? 1821794;1528582110;loper_os_cr50;I should probably make a blog, maybe I’ll do that. The point of it is to bypass their pay per chip scam and release it eventually 1821795;1528582118;loper_os_cr50;I downloaded the firmware yesterday 1821796;1528582154;loper_os_cr50;Believe it or not they don’t even use their own chip 1821797;1528582173;loper_os_cr50;They use a silicon labs C8051F340 in their programmer 1821798;1528582182;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50_ 1821799;1528582183;deedbot;loper_os_cr50_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1821800;1528582186;mircea_popescu;loper_os_cr50, oh i believe it. 1821801;1528582224;mircea_popescu;for all the pretense, smoke and mirrors, most of these "tech" companies are entirely uninhabited. 1821802;1528582242;mircea_popescu;loper_os_cr50_, and who might... you be ? 1821803;1528582325;loper_os_cr50;Beginning to seem like it. An electrical and computer engineer by erudition but just someone who likes to know how things work 1821804;1528582350;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50__ 1821805;1528582351;deedbot;loper_os_cr50__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1821806;1528582370;mircea_popescu;this is getting ridoinculous. wtf, nobody got irc clients anymore in orcistan ? 1821807;1528582386;mircea_popescu;loper_os_cr50, ok, so you basically started trying to reverse the elink yesterday ? 1821808;1528582409;loper_os_cr50;Yep 1821809;1528582422;mircea_popescu;did you ever do anything like this before ? 1821810;1528582486;loper_os_cr50;Yep, I’ve done pacemakers and what not before. I have the source code of just about every pacemaker on the market with exception of Biotronic but I have their firmware. I’d connect from irssi but I let my bouncer server expire and on my phone 1821811;1528582501;mircea_popescu;o.O that may be even interesting. 1821812;1528582525;mircea_popescu;listen, why not get yourself a rsa key, a proper irc set-up, choose a name that's not retarded and start a blog, publish the respective bits... 1821813;1528582527;mircea_popescu;be someone. 1821814;1528582594;loper_os_cr50;Haha, maybe, I’ll definitely get on my computer soon and connect from irssi 1821815;1528582597;mircea_popescu;loper_os_cr50__ and who might.... you be ? 1821816;1528582609;mircea_popescu;loper_os_cr50, do you understand what the wot is and how it works ? 1821817;1528582635;loper_os_cr50;Yes I’ve used it for buying and selling bitcoin back in the day 1821818;1528582658;mircea_popescu;what nick, back in the day ? 1821819;1528582710;loper_os_cr50;I shed my aliases to keep projects and what not unrelated 1821820;1528582787;mircea_popescu;this is stupid. it keeps you powerless and inca strong. see http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=man+alone / http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ 1821821;1528582804;mircea_popescu;newcastleslut, red tab, to the right of this one. says my name. click on it. 1821822;1528582884;mircea_popescu;sigh 1821823;1528582885;mircea_popescu;!!up newcastleslut 1821824;1528582886;deedbot;newcastleslut voiced for 30 minutes. 1821825;1528582909;mircea_popescu;i can't believe how succesfful tivo has been at technocastrating the youth. 1821826;1528582927;newcastleslut;How do I use this 1821827;1528582948;mircea_popescu;newcastleslut, do you see a little red tab saying "mircea_popescu" ? 1821828;1528582958;newcastleslut;Yes 1821829;1528582963;mircea_popescu;click on it and type there. 1821830;1528582969;newcastleslut;Yes 1821831;1528583186;loper_os_cr50;Mircea_popescu: I establish identity temporarily and then move on. But I don’t see how anonymity necessitates solitude 1821832;1528583195;hanbot;suggested chromebook add-on for asciilifeform: a mircea_popescu key that, when pressed, deploys a retractable sledgehammer that smacks operator on the nosebridge (or i guess alternatively, comes alive at night and fucks yer wife). 1821833;1528583237;mircea_popescu;loper_os_cr50 do you understand how supermarkets destroy commercial life, in spite of offering shittier product and bad service ? 1821834;1528583270;mircea_popescu;hanbot, i think they already have those 1821835;1528583273;mircea_popescu;they're called glasses. 1821836;1528583349;loper_os_cr50;mircea_popescu: what do you mean by commercial life? 1821837;1528583672;mircea_popescu;you know, the shops and the culture that spawned them. the famed "gang" entrance we discussed in the leyla black thread 1821838;1528583774;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821839;1528583775;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821840;1528583865;loper_os_cr50;I never read that 1821841;1528583907;mircea_popescu;mmm... lessee, where it was 1821842;1528584152;mircea_popescu;loper_os_cr50, http://trilema.com/2016/what-is-the-leyla-black/#selection-147.29-151.0 and also ascii where the fuck is the convo ? converted roman porticulis, the problem of thick walls ? did i hallucinate all this ? 1821843;1528584199;mircea_popescu;heh. 1821844;1528584201;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821845;1528584202;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821846;1528584206;mircea_popescu;get on a sane system this is ridiculous. 1821847;1528584227;loper_os_cr50;Yep doing so now 1821848;1528584387;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/of-skimmed-milk-and-skimming-the-milk/ ? 1821849;1528584491;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, no but this was recentlier. we were discussing the "gang" from the sex move. 1821850;1528584510;BingoBoingo;Ah 1821851;1528584666;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2017/untrue-story/ 1821852;1528584979;mircea_popescu;ahaha. no, that's a translation, old ro article 1821853;1528584998;BingoBoingo;In other news Simona Halep won the Roland Garros 1821854;1528585012;mircea_popescu;aha. 1821855;1528585235;mircea_popescu;that girl's got life in her body! 1821856;1528585272;BingoBoingo;Only a few years late, but she beat Sloane Stevens. The black tennis player not named Williams. 1821857;1528585291;mircea_popescu;lol 1821858;1528585808;BingoBoingo;http://archive.is/m00OO << asciilifeform et al, behold the immensity of lunix hardware on the Reddits. Also m00OO 1821859;1528585835;mircea_popescu;lmao 1821860;1528585892;BingoBoingo;lol at to link " 1821861;1528585892;BingoBoingo;Torvalds would love to have an ARM laptop for development and use, but doesn't know if the new Snapdragon machines can disable Secure Boot, either." followed immediately by alf's Odinturd in their punchbowl 1821862;1528585922;mircea_popescu;dundun dun 1821863;1528587087;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821864;1528587088;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821865;1528587767;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821866;1528587768;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821867;1528587769;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50_ 1821868;1528587770;deedbot;loper_os_cr50_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1821869;1528588601;mircea_popescu;is this alf getting payback on me or something ?! 1821870;1528588749;BingoBoingo;Could very well be 1821871;1528589243;asciilifeform;lolwat 1821872;1528589375;mircea_popescu;the joinparty 1821873;1528589499;asciilifeform;aa BingoBoingo put it in heathenpit. ty BingoBoingo . 1821874;1528589511;*;asciilifeform reads... 1821875;1528589577;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-09#1821861 << d00d managed to pick a box even moar boobytrapped than cbook 1821876;1528589577;a111;Logged on 2018-06-09 23:11 BingoBoingo: Torvalds would love to have an ARM laptop for development and use, but doesn't know if the new Snapdragon machines can disable Secure Boot, either." followed immediately by alf's Odinturd in their punchbowl 1821877;1528589629;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-09#1821790 << where is this used ? 1821878;1528589629;a111;Logged on 2018-06-09 22:05 loper_os_cr50: Currently reverse engineering the Holtek E-Link ICP 1821879;1528589669;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-09#1821794 << i briefly dug for detail, found nuffin... what is it ? 1821880;1528589669;a111;Logged on 2018-06-09 22:08 loper_os_cr50: I should probably make a blog, maybe I’ll do that. The point of it is to bypass their pay per chip scam and release it eventually 1821881;1528589705;mircea_popescu;hopefully the dood stays true to his word, comes back in normal clothes. 1821882;1528589736;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-09#1821831 << i gotta wonder, when meeting people in meatspace, does he also make up gensym names each time he shakes a hand.. 1821883;1528589736;a111;Logged on 2018-06-09 22:26 loper_os_cr50: Mircea_popescu: I establish identity temporarily and then move on. But I don’t see how anonymity necessitates solitude 1821884;1528589756;mircea_popescu;i expect. it'd be just like bond, right ? haime bond ? 1821885;1528589799;mircea_popescu;anyway. the reason this rather than some random other idiocy is the centerpiece inca relies on to survive is not coincidental. deeply seated fantasy of the narcissist mind. 1821886;1528589809;asciilifeform;just picture what 'normal on the net' folx would look like if they did same in meatland 1821887;1528589853;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/search-and-destroy/#selection-65.1-58.7 << this. 1821888;1528589936;asciilifeform;i can picture how habitual swimming in reddit sewage might encourage the disease in susceptible but healthy folx tho 1821889;1528589952;asciilifeform;after soaking in reddit, feel like pulling own skin off 1821890;1528589963;asciilifeform;so they don't let it touch skin. 1821891;1528590022;asciilifeform;veeery little on the current-day net is worth coming back to, cultivating a relation with, etc 1821892;1528590060;asciilifeform;how is random double-e d00d to know, that he's found 'shangri-la'. 1821893;1528591561;mircea_popescu;sure. 1821894;1528592452;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821895;1528592453;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821896;1528592529;mircea_popescu;heh. 1821897;1528596276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, dunno if you care, but your blog signs as "http://119.3.12.182/wordpress/?p=101990" which ain't proper. 1821898;1528596535;asciilifeform;signs ? 1821899;1528596571;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821900;1528596571;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821901;1528596579;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#comment-125949 1821902;1528596609;asciilifeform;interesting, i'ma have to pop the hood and see why 1821903;1528596635;asciilifeform;( did this ever even work at all..? ) 1821904;1528596649;mircea_popescu;hmm dunno lessee 1821905;1528596803;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/#comment-97390 < used to work yes. 1821906;1528596812;mircea_popescu;but not in the intervening 3 years. 1821907;1528596824;mircea_popescu;back then you were on a diff host too. 1821908;1528596829;asciilifeform;noape 1821909;1528596837;asciilifeform;nfs co since '07 1821910;1528596926;asciilifeform;will have to look, currently i have only faint idea how the backlink thing even worx 1821911;1528596945;mircea_popescu;diff ip at any rate. 1821912;1528596956;asciilifeform;oh diff ip erry coupla wks, i think 1821913;1528596978;asciilifeform;( whole scheme of nfs co's antiddos cluster thing ) 1821914;1528596993;mircea_popescu;ah ok, may be it. though, different A blocks ?! 1821915;1528597022;asciilifeform;iirc they own several swaths of ipv4ola 1821916;1528597088;mircea_popescu;alrighty then, that must be it. 1821917;1528597113;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50_ 1821918;1528597114;deedbot;loper_os_cr50_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1821919;1528597130;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50_: hello? 1821920;1528597139;loper_os_cr50_;Hi 1821921;1528597146;asciilifeform;who might you be? 1821922;1528597171;loper_os_cr50_;One guy that found your blog interesting 1821923;1528597254;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50_: more specifically? are you working with the iron from cr50 article? 1821924;1528597399;loper_os_cr50_;Not working yet that would be pretentious. Sick of dirty chip and code. Search for pure trust and control over the machine. Have yet to learn a lot before starting to work. For now I read. 1821925;1528597426;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50_: ok, enjoy 1821926;1528597430;loper_os_cr50_;And I'm curious so I clicked 1821927;1528597441;mircea_popescu;loper_os_cr50 the logs are your best bet. 1821928;1528597458;loper_os_cr50_;I saw that 1821929;1528597464;loper_os_cr50_;I enjoyed it 1821930;1528597474;mircea_popescu;mmm. what did you see ? 1821931;1528597533;loper_os_cr50_;Lots of things that I got trouble to get ;) Reverse engineering skills there 1821932;1528597566;mircea_popescu;lol. mkay, it goes back many years and there's a lot of material. generally it's recommended noobs spend 6 months reading through it. 1821933;1528597584;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50_: what's your native lang? 1821934;1528597591;loper_os_cr50_;I'm not surprised 1821935;1528597594;loper_os_cr50_;French 1821936;1528597619;mircea_popescu;that's not a crime. 1821937;1528597631;loper_os_cr50_;Ahahahah 1821938;1528597642;loper_os_cr50_;Yep shit happen 1821939;1528597650;loper_os_cr50_;What do you guys think about the librem effort? 1821940;1528597662;asciilifeform;crock of shit, 1821941;1528597671;loper_os_cr50_;Why? 1821942;1528597671;asciilifeform;!#s librem 1821943;1528597672;a111;8 results for "librem", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=librem 1821944;1528597676;mircea_popescu;~ 1821945;1528597724;asciilifeform;see also 1821946;1528597734;asciilifeform;!#s purism 1821947;1528597734;a111;8 results for "purism", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=purism 1821948;1528597773;asciilifeform;intel. with blobs, and hefth dose of delusionism. 1821949;1528597786;asciilifeform;*hefty 1821950;1528597855;loper_os_cr50_;No way to free/bypass it? 1821951;1528597872;loper_os_cr50_;There must be a way for a clean solution! 1821952;1528597891;asciilifeform;not even known what all of 'it' ~is~? 1821953;1528597897;asciilifeform;think. 1821954;1528597925;mircea_popescu;loper_os_cr50, why do you think that ?! 1821955;1528597982;loper_os_cr50_;Just trying to picture for now, do not even try to think yet 1821956;1528598016;loper_os_cr50_;I agree 'it' is unknown 1821957;1528598067;loper_os_cr50_;I should probably search now for risc-v 1821958;1528598091;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50_: why would you want to buy expensive, power-wasting , hot-running chip from the foremost nsa bug factory, if you don't have to ? 1821959;1528598097;asciilifeform;riscv is a turd 1821960;1528598108;asciilifeform;!#s riscv 1821961;1528598109;a111;3 results for "riscv", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=riscv 1821962;1528598170;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739631 << mandatory thread 1821963;1528598170;a111;Logged on 2017-11-16 17:34 asciilifeform: btw http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739595 is entirely correct, and quite surreal 1821964;1528598221;mircea_popescu;well i suspect it's rather the case he'd like to buy ~something~. 1821965;1528598243;asciilifeform;well i went and 'hey let's try arm64...' 1821966;1528598251;asciilifeform;and nao reporting on the experiments 1821967;1528598277;asciilifeform;there unfortunately is not much to choose from 1821968;1528598283;asciilifeform;esp if you want a laptop 1821969;1528598389;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821970;1528598390;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821971;1528598484;loper_os_cr50_;Was reading logs 1821972;1528598510;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup* 1821973;1528598512;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl. 1821974;1528598541;loper_os_cr50_;I'll continue my journey, I may come up with something useful one day 1821975;1528598618;loper_os_cr50_;Enjoy guys, see you in 6 months after the reading 1821976;1528598648;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50_: i recommend to register with deedbot nao 1821977;1528598667;asciilifeform;then we will have some notion of which you, you were, when you come back.. 1821978;1528598737;loper_os_cr50_;What would you want to know? 1821979;1528598801;asciilifeform;when you make a key and register with deedbot, you become a person, until then just a spirit 1821980;1528598827;asciilifeform;you're the, what, 5th, 6th? loper_os_cr50 to log in today.. 1821981;1528598930;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50_ 1821982;1528598931;deedbot;loper_os_cr50_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1821983;1528598973;loper_os_cr50_;You might receive more visit, Google now reference your last post on cr50 that's what made me arrive at first on your page. Then I spent the rest of the evening reading. 1821984;1528598988;loper_os_cr50_;I'll register 1821985;1528599040;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50_: you were searching via google for cr50 ? 1821986;1528599104;loper_os_cr50_;No I wasn't even searching. Just grab that android stuff and it suggested that strange card about the fritz chip. 1821987;1528599110;asciilifeform;aa lol 1821988;1528599138;loper_os_cr50_;Took me a while to read and get it 1821989;1528599163;loper_os_cr50_;Was cooking all the link sending me back to the logs. 1821990;1528599190;asciilifeform;i expect google will censor the thing from their own index first thing on monday opening hour 1821991;1528599195;loper_os_cr50_;Figuring out who was talking 1821992;1528599418;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50__ 1821993;1528599418;deedbot;loper_os_cr50__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1821994;1528599541;*;asciilifeform will bbl. 1821995;1528605407;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1821996;1528605408;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1821997;1528605500;mircea_popescu;so who might you be loper_os_cr50 1821998;1528606844;mircea_popescu;https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss. 1821999;1528606889;mircea_popescu;(gtk, for the disinterested, is "let's migrate the browser model to the desktop".) 1822000;1528611823;mircea_popescu;!!up amstan 1822001;1528611824;deedbot;amstan voiced for 30 minutes. 1822002;1528612000;amstan;mircea_popescu: multumesc 1822003;1528612014;mircea_popescu;yw. what brings you here ? 1822004;1528612031;amstan;well, that interesting blog post 1822005;1528612041;amstan;from asciilifeform 1822006;1528612083;amstan;tought i should join this to see if you guys have any discoveries 1822007;1528612132;mircea_popescu;you mean specifically on sending alphabet packing out of computing ? or more generally ? 1822008;1528612175;amstan;i mean i doubt it, but to be fair i don't know much about how it works, just how it's connected to the system 1822009;1528634550;asciilifeform;oh hey it's the good sir 'nobody has the cr50 key' 1822010;1528641972;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/10/chasing-the-elusive-euloran-quality/ << Ossasepia - Chasing the Elusive Euloran Quality 1822011;1528643832;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, dude's some inconsequential politruk, see https://archive.is/MrjAB https://archive.is/AFjoC etc lulz. 1822012;1528643889;mircea_popescu;if he hadn't heard of the third reich instrument of surrender he'd be going around his village singing "tomorrow belongs to me". as it is, he derps on the periphery of google. if he realised tmsr owns the world he'd be "community organizing" for you. and so on. 1822013;1528643962;mircea_popescu;!!v |\n 1822014;1528643986;mircea_popescu;!!up |\n 1822015;1528643987;deedbot;|\n voiced for 30 minutes. 1822016;1528643998;|\n;o/ 1822017;1528644001;mircea_popescu;|\n who are you then, cleverboi 1822018;1528644009;|\n;i'm just a dude 1822019;1528644026;mircea_popescu;yeah, i wasn't about to take you for one of the fet sluts. what brings you here ? 1822020;1528644054;|\n;i've seen your name on some resources i read from time to time because pals discuss it as well 1822021;1528644063;mircea_popescu;i c. 1822022;1528644086;|\n;and whatver if theres some secret stuff i might leave 1822023;1528644131;|\n;in particular, i've decided to visit this channel because of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 1822024;1528644144;mircea_popescu;you mean like that one time we took over a bunch of electricity generators for lulz ? or what secrets. 1822025;1528644169;mircea_popescu;not the time chicks kept coming in to show us their tits, that's no secret, is that ? 1822026;1528644185;|\n;now i'd like to stay lol 1822027;1528644244;mircea_popescu;(refs http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ and http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ for the noobs) 1822028;1528644427;mircea_popescu;!!up ivan 1822029;1528644428;deedbot;ivan voiced for 30 minutes. 1822030;1528644435;mircea_popescu;did you want to share anything with the group, ivan ? 1822031;1528646715;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821714 << will do, i've had all the parts shipped at this point, but i won't be back until monday.. 1822032;1528646715;a111;Logged on 2018-06-08 17:30 asciilifeform: phf: if you are able to build the usb snake -- lemme know which cr50 turd ver is in your box 1822033;1528646918;mircea_popescu;lol phf you should start a hiking club with mocky >D 1822034;1528647467;Mocky;I'll be hiking in northern virginia in two weeks, not sure how close to the swamp... 1822035;1528647495;mircea_popescu;o there he is. howdy 1822036;1528647519;Mocky;howdy 1822037;1528648310;Mocky;!Q later tell lobbes I just got back from uwharrie national forest, ~50km east of Charlotte. ftr, 'deep river' is misnomer, more like 'shallow creek' 1822038;1528648310;lobbesbot;Mocky: The operation succeeded. 1822039;1528648385;mircea_popescu;Mocky, would it be a good time to try out your foxybot nao ? 1822040;1528648680;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822011 << he's the hint-dropping d00d from #rockchip 1822041;1528648680;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 15:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, dude's some inconsequential politruk, see https://archive.is/MrjAB https://archive.is/AFjoC etc lulz. 1822042;1528648689;asciilifeform;and apparently also this 1822043;1528648713;*;mircea_popescu wasn't there. 1822044;1528648746;asciilifeform;https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-07#22286942; 1822045;1528648882;asciilifeform;and the 'trust yer hardware that you have' fella 1822046;1528648898;asciilifeform;and the 'we'll post some schems real soon nao, just wait' fella, etc 1822047;1528648931;asciilifeform;i had nfi that he was from ro, this is extra lulzy somehow 1822048;1528648956;asciilifeform;( they have a googlarium in ro?! ) 1822049;1528649108;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1821998 << observe that, in asciilifeform's 2015--present gentoo recipe, gtk3+ is banned 1822050;1528649108;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 05:00 mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss. 1822051;1528649117;asciilifeform;( it pulls in dbus ) 1822052;1528649120;Mocky;mircea_popescu, i've found an issue with stacking so suggest to wait until next version. today or tomorrow. 1822053;1528649128;mircea_popescu;alrighty. 1822054;1528649187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, alphabet essentially survives, in the perceptible rather than the byzantine imaginarium sense, out of their orclands outposts. exactly as described in http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-121.824 1822055;1528649223;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, re gtk+ 3, observe that the dumbass orcs in the comment section are all about "i don't see why you wouldn't '''upgrade''' your desktop to browserhood" 1822056;1528649296;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822006 << amstan you can post those asus schems any time you feel like being useful; i will publish them. if you want to do it anon, pgp mircea_popescu or asciilifeform 1822057;1528649296;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 06:28 amstan: tought i should join this to see if you guys have any discoveries 1822058;1528649359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i did see a microshit cubefarm in bucharest. so this makes sense. 1822059;1528649389;asciilifeform;even in usa hq, they make use of ample coolie labour 1822060;1528649421;mircea_popescu;are you kidding me, intel has a tiny thing here even. 1822061;1528649436;asciilifeform;in bananistan?! 1822062;1528649438;mircea_popescu;i thought i linked some "genius orc" kids at some point. 1822063;1528649447;asciilifeform;oh hm 1822064;1528649465;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy because over here it's so low budget, you can directly see the underwiring. 1822065;1528649481;mircea_popescu;well, you. the locals are too kind and simple for any sight. 1822066;1528649704;asciilifeform;re gtkism -- asciilifeform can'twait to see how the derps react to the revelation that asciilifeform's gentoos hardban gtk3/dbus/pulseaudio/whole shebang 1822067;1528649727;asciilifeform;( naturally including the one for c101pa box ) 1822068;1528649748;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as overwhelmed. 1822069;1528651743;asciilifeform;in other lulles, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274771 << 'flagged' 1822070;1528652148;asciilifeform;elsewhere in heathendom, https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8pyaec/the_google_h1_fritz_chip/ << usg brigade out in force, 'this is just a tpm, cannot reflash fw' etc 'say it 3 times, it'll be true'isms 1822071;1528652316;asciilifeform;the hilarious bit is that the published src has 100% of the lulz out in plain daylight. incl, e.g., the bootrom-writeprotect override function in cr50, the magic pubkeys, the bit that turns wireless on during idle, etc 1822072;1528652950;asciilifeform;the 'of course you can't have SEKOORITY without goldenkeys!', 'prove! nsa involved!', etc derps, all awoken from under their rocks, working. 1822073;1528652996;BingoBoingo;Noiseholes! 1822074;1528653012;asciilifeform; i suspect that the whole incident will be unhappened soon enuff, added to same googleban db as trilema , phuctor, etc 1822075;1528653329;asciilifeform;( their phuctor filter is esp lulzy, gives not null but specifically ancient stale pages, boeck's 'rebuttal', reddit. etc ) 1822076;1528653344;asciilifeform;lovingly hand-crafted. 1822077;1528653838;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, none of the fucktards can, or ever have, or have any intention of reading source. 1822078;1528653847;mircea_popescu;gotta be explained "what this means to them", which is what the nigger brigade is for, from http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=anil+dash to http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ to what have you. 1822079;1528653860;Mocky;it's eye opening for me to see how it looks from this side where asciilifeform exposes obvious stench which is met with chorus of 'nah, it smells good'. apparently 'till now I've been the local, ala: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822065 1822080;1528653860;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 16:51 mircea_popescu: well, you. the locals are too kind and simple for any sight. 1822081;1528653884;mircea_popescu;Mocky, regular occurence on this side of the zone. 1822082;1528653948;mircea_popescu;but, amusingly enough, the conversation with the chick who thought herself a domme controls here! imagine that, you know, sex determining matters scientific, how unfair and improper and in breach of implicit promises made by the "civilisation" of tedious old women. 1822083;1528654017;BingoBoingo;!!up apt-get 1822084;1528654017;deedbot;apt-get voiced for 30 minutes. 1822085;1528654019;mircea_popescu;yet http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/ vs http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ strictly and exactly describes the problem. the captive aren't captive because they were captured, they're captive because that's what they fucking are. 1822086;1528654036;apt-get;thanks, but no need, I'm just here to lurk 1822087;1528654059;mircea_popescu;and as far as most mouthbreathers are concerned, the world is too much and the little glass bead of "nigger explains what '''events mean to me'''" archsufficient. 1822088;1528654074;BingoBoingo;apt-get: lurking for the Fritzchip or the training camp? 1822089;1528654096;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, imagine the ambiguity we dwell in! it's not even fucking clear. 1822090;1528654136;apt-get;fritz, although I'm not really much of an expert when it comes to hardware stuff in any way 1822091;1528654154;mircea_popescu;apt-get, so why would you care, if i may ask ? 1822092;1528654228;apt-get;hmm, I find this stuff interesting, I guess? 1822093;1528654251;apt-get;stumbled upon the loper blog by luck and I found it to be a cool project 1822094;1528654267;apt-get;(cr50 reversal, that is) 1822095;1528654271;mircea_popescu;so is it rather a political investment, something in the vein of http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ , "i wish to touch the bars of my cage with mine own hands" ? 1822096;1528654555;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822076 << no, you know, it's an algorithm :D protects the worshipful from toxicfacts and things, making google very fucking useful for no purpose whatsoever in the process. 1822097;1528654555;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 17:55 asciilifeform: lovingly hand-crafted. 1822098;1528654861;apt-get;Well, I don't know if my political leanings would necessarily imply going to such lengths as described in that manifesto, but I am indeed supportive of any attempt to free computing from the proprietary and government boulders placing themselves between the user and the product. 1822099;1528655168;mircea_popescu;the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible. 1822100;1528655231;mircea_popescu;if the priors are anything like a) "anyone should have access to computers" and b) "to use as they see fit", you'll be back to some kind of nsa fritz chip in very short order, especially if you're committed to equalitarian socialism (or, "democracy", to use the in-universe names) 1822101;1528655760;apt-get;I suppose such conditions could be theoretically enforced in a democratic system... but it would imply making the general populace to both be aware and feel threatened by these issues, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, practically speaking. 1822102;1528656271;BingoBoingo;!!up apt-get 1822103;1528656272;deedbot;apt-get voiced for 30 minutes. 1822104;1528656299;mircea_popescu;seems perfectly aware and very very fucking threatened to me, lol. 1822105;1528656352;mircea_popescu;can't apply livresque standards of awareness to the herd, they're not human in that sense. you believe cattle is aware of electified fence, even if no cow ever sat down with you and stated as much over beers and buffalo wings. 1822106;1528656363;mircea_popescu;same thing here, by purely behavioural standards they're as aware as could be. 1822107;1528656391;mircea_popescu;otherwise they wouldn't go about pretending like they believe google is in any way different from groupon, a purely imaginary, 100% paper construction. 1822108;1528656773;apt-get;convenience of usability will always trump freedom when it comes to these things, which is why you don't see minifree or purism making bank on their libre hardware. 1822109;1528656809;mircea_popescu;except the part where the convenience of doing stupid thing is just as inconvenient as anything. 1822110;1528656819;asciilifeform;... or maybe because it's shit 1822111;1528656831;mircea_popescu;there's just about 0 convenience delivered by the tools of "convenience" and "usability". 1822112;1528656851;asciilifeform;'purism', 'minifree', organs of the beast. 1822113;1528657014;apt-get;convenience isn't limited to the device itself, it also encompasses a large ecosystem of both social and technical incentives to enter a firm's walled garden. 1822114;1528657046;apt-get;and I don't believe it's possible to fight multi-billion entities when it comes to this. 1822115;1528657050;apt-get;:/ 1822116;1528657051;mircea_popescu;from experience, the only incentive is purelty internal : slave belongs inside, goes inside. 1822117;1528657060;mircea_popescu;apt-get, tmsr is a multi-billion entity. 1822118;1528657086;mircea_popescu;so yes, it is not possible to fight tmsr when it comes to this. all shall crumble before it. 1822119;1528657432;mircea_popescu;techcrunch.com/2017/08/11/the-minifree-libreboot-t400-is-free-as-in-freedom/ << lol the ersatzen. 1822120;1528657457;mircea_popescu;am i supposed to not notice the overpowering flavour of mendacity, "hey, we already did what phuctor does!!!!" story all over again ? 1822121;1528657458;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1822122;1528657489;mircea_popescu;techcrunch.com/2016/12/08/the-libreboot-c201-from-minifree-is-really-really-really-ridiculously-open-source/ :D 1822123;1528657521;mircea_popescu;i dunno why anyone looks to hollywood for fiction production. the usg directorate of propaganda manages some pretty hysterical comedies. 1822124;1528659082;asciilifeform;i can already picture, 'why complain, cr50 100% opensores!' 1822125;1528659265;mircea_popescu;Се́веро-Кавка́зский край really really really ridiculously well supplied with all kind and manner of foodstuffs! 1822126;1528659280;mircea_popescu;even belt buckles. 1822127;1528665987;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/harold-and-maude/ << Trilema - Harold and Maude 1822128;1528668050;deedbot;http://blog.esthlos.com/towards-a-computer-science-education/ << esthlos - Towards a Computer Science Education 1822129;1528668251;esthlos;^^ I'm curious what folx think of the above. Reading through the logs, FFA, etc., I've realized how little I know. So I'm thinking that I'll have to devote the majority of my effort to learning the ropes wrt computing before I can pull my weight in here. Does this make sense? 1822130;1528668268;mircea_popescu;ima read it. 1822131;1528668306;esthlos;thanks 1822132;1528668323;mircea_popescu;languages) which << spurious ) 1822133;1528668375;mircea_popescu;esthlos, actually, do you want comments there ? or here ? 1822134;1528668410;esthlos;there, please 1822135;1528668773;mircea_popescu;done. 1822136;1528668785;mircea_popescu;your comment thing ate my spaces. 1822137;1528668871;esthlos;hmm, will have to look into that 1822138;1528669098;esthlos;looks like nuking the auto-paragraph feature for posts also nuked it for comments 1822139;1528669257;mircea_popescu;well if you'd find it in your heart ot fix it i'd be grateful. 1822140;1528669274;esthlos;will do. 1822141;1528669275;mircea_popescu;also, nice favicon. 1822142;1528669294;mircea_popescu;slut looking over my shoulder was all like "oooo, shiny! i want one like that!" 1822143;1528669317;esthlos;thanks, geometry of color is verrry interresting (shitpedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_space) 1822144;1528669489;esthlos;bah that article is terrible. see http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/colortheory/web/hsv.html 1822145;1528669515;mircea_popescu;lol. that's ok, i heard of color before. 1822146;1528669520;esthlos;haha 1822147;1528671596;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50 1822148;1528671597;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1822149;1528671790;esthlos;mircea_popescu: replied 1822150;1528671920;mircea_popescu;word. 1822151;1528672180;*;asciilifeform lols over the various crapola mail, 'purism!', 'cured intel really!', etc 1822152;1528672205;mircea_popescu;w/e. 1822153;1528672223;asciilifeform;and if i had a bitcent for every 'use this lappy we carved from old refrigerator panels and raspberry pi..' etc 1822154;1528673019;mircea_popescu;the amusing part is just how repetitive it all is lol. 1822155;1528673034;asciilifeform;homo redditicus is lethally boring, yes. 1822156;1528673526;asciilifeform;esthlos: i recommend fewer pediwikia links. ( granted i suffered from same habit in early loper-os articles. but cured nao. ) 1822157;1528673561;asciilifeform;esthlos: if you must -- link to archived copies, which at least won't change from under you. 1822158;1528673648;asciilifeform;esthlos: in re the b00kz -- i have okasaki, and must note, he is a mathematically interesting read, but 100% useless in actual practice, unless you use 'lazy-evaluated' prog langs 1822159;1528673689;esthlos;asciilifeform: makes sense wrt the wiki. 1822160;1528673850;esthlos;i haven't opened that one yet, good to know. have you ever checked out john alan's book? It's kinda a denser sicp, and predates it 1822161;1528673909;mircea_popescu;all these items from back when people read books. 1822162;1528673915;asciilifeform;esthlos: i have. it is for dedicated aficionados strictly ( uses deeply archaic notation, and generally concerned with deeply 'pre-modern' lisps ) 1822163;1528673931;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for archaeologists strictly. 1822164;1528673958;mircea_popescu;brains have sensibly flattened since hte golden age of the hardbound 1822165;1528673981;esthlos;are there good books on the matter which *aren't* archaeological? 1822166;1528673990;asciilifeform;esthlos: there ain't, and likely won't be 1822167;1528673996;esthlos;fun fun 1822168;1528674338;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822031 << phf keep in mind that the resistors gotta be, iirc, accurate within 5%. hence why i used trimpots. 1822169;1528674338;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 16:05 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821714 << will do, i've had all the parts shipped at this point, but i won't be back until monday.. 1822170;1528674386;asciilifeform;( until i got'em trimmed in, 'suzy' worked 'every other time' ) 1822171;1528674472;asciilifeform;while we're on the subj, i find it interesting how both google and intel ( and by extension, all new mb makers ) finessed the problem of 'terrorists will epoxy usb ports closed' -- nao usg can get 'airport quickie' root through a hole that you cannot cement, because the box charges ~only~ from it 1822172;1528674484;asciilifeform;( this is the case in, e.g., all new crapple boxen ) 1822173;1528674570;esthlos;is it possible to trash the non-power pins? 1822174;1528674585;asciilifeform;esthlos: theoretically, under microscope 1822175;1528674652;asciilifeform;you can't cut ~all~ of them, however, the 'negotiation' (CC1/CC2) pins are used by the mains bricks 1822176;1528674665;asciilifeform;'smart' power bricks, see. 1822177;1528674739;asciilifeform;the 'go and cut pins' thing will ~work for certain purposes, but in the very near term it will become entirely unproductive -- they are moving the whole orchestra into single chip. ( e.g. crapple is ~already there. ) 1822178;1528675166;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822099 << not sure i grasp this. even wintel merrily sold un-fritzed boxen for many years, until 2nd bush-II term or so. 1822179;1528675166;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 18:26 mircea_popescu: the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible. 1822180;1528675248;asciilifeform;prolly at some point i gotta write a 'NOBUS likbez' re the fundamental motivations ( they are not difficult to discern , but apparently entirely opaque to the herd , even when you exclude the willingly blind ) 1822181;1528675333;asciilifeform;it is probably impossible to educate the willingly thick, however, who ~actually~ see a box with NOBUS master keys as 'moar secure than with no keys'. these, will only wake up when they're sitting in kangaroo court , and confessing to 'child porn' 1822182;1528675378;asciilifeform;'bbbut i left box in hotel just for 10 min, and surely google would never..' 1822183;1528675454;asciilifeform;and prolly they will sit in front of same judge who earlier nodded to 'tor devs would never', etc. 1822184;1528675523;asciilifeform;another interesting tidbit : cr50 vendor fw will conveniently checksum the ec and ap(bootloader) fw. BUT not without goldenkey. wouldn't want terrorists testing for fw modification, see. 1822185;1528675556;asciilifeform;plebe wants to checksum the ec fw ? gotta solder a dozen probes under microscope. 1822186;1528675593;asciilifeform;and this will work until they move the whole fw orchestra into cr50. which is on the planned 'feature' list already for next rev. 1822187;1528675741;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in choice redditisms : 'I used to work as a security researcher - if I thought this subject was interesting I'd have to look for another source talking about the same thing because there's no way in hell it'd be acceptable to reference this level of unprofessionalism in a conference or to my superiors.' 1822188;1528675744;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1822189;1528675835;asciilifeform;invitation to read the src -- already 'downvoted' into oblivion, unsurprisingly. 1822190;1528675962;esthlos;"This is the technology equivalent of an edgy 14-year-old atheist writing about religion." loller 1822191;1528676170;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822087 << see also. i'd be surprised if there isn't already a boeck-style 'rebuttal' (perhaps from herr boeck himself) in the works. 1822192;1528676170;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 18:07 mircea_popescu: and as far as most mouthbreathers are concerned, the world is too much and the little glass bead of "nigger explains what '''events mean to me'''" archsufficient. 1822193;1528676211;asciilifeform;as soon as it gets shat out, the links to the earlier heathenpit threads, will reroute to it -- just like in earlier phuctor case 1822194;1528676264;asciilifeform;google already now returns some dna-related academitardism for 'h1', etc. 1822195;1528676319;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822079 << this is imho the lulziest case yet on record : google is pissing in their mouths, entirely overtly, and the universal response is 'mm, tasty, lemonade' 1822196;1528676319;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 18:04 Mocky: it's eye opening for me to see how it looks from this side where asciilifeform exposes obvious stench which is met with chorus of 'nah, it smells good'. apparently 'till now I've been the local, ala: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822065 1822197;1528676439;asciilifeform;( and betcha when mircea_popescu wakes up, he will add 'just like my gurls' ! ) 1822198;1528676474;*;mircea_popescu just grins 1822199;1528676485;asciilifeform;lol 1822200;1528676634;asciilifeform;while this thread is alive -- there remains the (currently, hypothetical) puzzler of what-do when we find the jailbreak. i expect, buy N boxes, and cure'em ? 1822201;1528676652;asciilifeform;(given as enemy will immediately patch when they get hold of the boojum, as crapple does) 1822202;1528676707;asciilifeform;i suppose we will revisit this when we find the magic overflow etc. 1822203;1528676750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, without the fritz chips, the situation is 1trn "users" whose router pwd is admin, and then m00t's horde owning time magazine's "man of the year" competition. 1822204;1528676769;mircea_popescu;this is the fucking problem they're trying to resolve, that without restraints, the horde re-organizes into unflat. 1822205;1528676771;asciilifeform;it's still 'admin', lol, just more along the vein of 'adminMAGICNSANOBUSSTRING' 1822206;1528676778;mircea_popescu;yup. 1822207;1528676800;asciilifeform;so it is only 'solution' in the sense of satisfying the 'childporn judge'. 1822208;1528676814;mircea_popescu;this is what they do. 1822209;1528676823;mircea_popescu;the empire of exam taking. 1822210;1528676838;asciilifeform;just like the credit card 'security' exists so banks can drop the bill for fraudulent mercedes onto the hapless card luser. 1822211;1528676904;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-17#1301302 << see also thread. 1822212;1528676904;a111;Logged on 2015-10-17 17:42 asciilifeform: the point i was trying to make then, as now, is that mri - like fingerprints - is a confession-inducer and evidence-planter apparatus, let's say 'guiltwashing', rather than necessarily a fact-finder. 1822213;1528676928;asciilifeform;( orig thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-19#883658 ) 1822214;1528676928;a111;Logged on 2014-10-19 18:31 asciilifeform: chetty: the whole purpose of 'biometric' crap is to administratively fix the designated chump as the permanently-designated chump. 1822215;1528676950;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822183 << hooker/maid that usg criminal org specifically paid to lie in court would never lie in court, best arrest foreign diplomat!!! 1822216;1528676950;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 00:04 asciilifeform: and prolly they will sit in front of same judge who earlier nodded to 'tor devs would never', etc. 1822217;1528676955;mircea_popescu;the list is indeed long. 1822218;1528676993;asciilifeform;the pretense with arrested diplomat et al stretches thin even to idjit public; thus they'll take all of the techno-help they can get, is the idea. 1822219;1528677052;asciilifeform;'the confession was on his chromebook, and no one (But US, but US Would Never!11) but his own hand, could have written' etc 1822220;1528677055;mircea_popescu;i don't think it stretches anything. "my superiors". reich is reich is reich, it really has no need or use for thought. 1822221;1528677100;asciilifeform;they've created this apparatus of 'pencildicks', and it will further the oddball rituals, or how else to justify existing. 1822222;1528677116;asciilifeform;'digital evidence'! 1822223;1528677131;mircea_popescu;honestly, i'm happy with the outcomes. swathes of 20something yo slavegirls as far as the eye can see, to take pick from. 1822224;1528677139;mircea_popescu;they're all someone;s daughter. 1822225;1528677155;mircea_popescu;!!key nikki_ff 1822226;1528677155;deedbot;Not registered. 1822227;1528677159;asciilifeform;picking from decerebrated muppets, satisfying ? 1822228;1528677190;mircea_popescu;hey, it's a crapshoot. if you have 1bn decerebrated muppets reproducing, you get some simona haleps. if you have 1k, you don't. 1822229;1528677198;asciilifeform;i suppose. 1822230;1528677207;mircea_popescu;numbers game of the meat best run by the numbers. 1822231;1528677400;asciilifeform;observe, the ~saner~ end of the heathenpit comments are along the lines of 'yes there's no escape, i sit and drink' 1822232;1528677438;mircea_popescu;but anyway, to put the matter of piss and gurls to (temporary) rest : Jun 09 01:57:42 yes sir i am drunk how do you like your piss ? best its ever tasted. 1822233;1528677443;asciilifeform;( speaking of which, hey Framedragger_ , how's it treating ya ? ) 1822234;1528677452;asciilifeform;theeere we go. 1822235;1528677467;mircea_popescu;henceforth a new "piss on the bitch" cocktail is defined, for public consumption, as piss, vodka and a splash of fruit juice. 1822236;1528677472;mircea_popescu;apparently it's pretty good. 1822237;1528677495;asciilifeform;!#s morarji cola 1822238;1528677496;a111;4 results for "morarji cola", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=morarji%20cola 1822239;1528677710;mircea_popescu;lol it's all you googling it and google failing 1822240;1528677730;asciilifeform;orig unclealism 1822241;1528677743;mircea_popescu;"We disdain otter piss alcoholic Coors or Budweiser swills wrested from sprouted rice" << utter! 1822242;1528677748;mircea_popescu;i found an almisspeal! 1822243;1528677771;asciilifeform;morarji, 4th primeminister of india, famously drank glass of (supposedly, own, but whoknows) piss erry day 1822244;1528677787;mircea_popescu;hey, nothing beats a self-administered pregnancy test. 1822245;1528677907;asciilifeform;https://archive.li/x3A3f << subj: >> '...his practice of drinking a glass of his own urine every day, and as veteran journalist M.V.Kamath, reporting for ToI, noted rather despairingly, the problem wasn’t just that Desai did this, but he was very eager to talk at length about it: “in a 15-minute appearance on a very popular Sunday TV show called ’60 Minutes’, Mr.Desai was seen taking practically half the time to commend urine 1822246;1528677907;asciilifeform; therapy.”' 1822247;1528677939;mircea_popescu;wait, it's a ~therapy~ ?! 1822248;1528677943;asciilifeform;aaaha 1822249;1528677948;asciilifeform;india. 1822250;1528677951;mircea_popescu;i thought it wass jusst perverssity 1822251;1528677960;hanbot;apropos of exactly nothing, where do skunks go to pray? 1822252;1528677965;mircea_popescu;hanbot, where ? 1822253;1528677966;asciilifeform;y'know, the place where they have the magical shit river you drink 'to health' from. 1822254;1528677981;hanbot;mircea_popescu: to the pew! 1822255;1528677990;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1822256;1528677992;mircea_popescu;you mean the phew ? 1822257;1528677996;asciilifeform;'the secret, strange hole in his dubious pew!'(tm)(r)(trilema) ! 1822258;1528678000;mircea_popescu;like phtephen ? 1822259;1528678006;hanbot;lol 1822260;1528678198;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in moar recent preet india, https://archive.li/A1kOB 1822261;1528678304;asciilifeform;they're getting less and less pronouncable. tejpal s. chawla -- srsly. 1822262;1528678333;asciilifeform;i can only guess, that the pronounceable, brahmin folk, have run out 1822263;1528678355;asciilifeform;time now for the ex-latrinecleaners 1822264;1528678357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, afaik that ali watkins chick is a libertard stalwart. the whole thing is "how dares state challenge the politruks" 1822265;1528678374;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ah i thought this was still about the reality winner lulz 1822266;1528678378;asciilifeform;same flavour, neh. 1822267;1528678411;mircea_popescu;it's about something or other, but broadly about the fact that the pantsuit party is very angry any sort of pushback against mother china WHATSOEVER still goes on. 1822268;1528678428;asciilifeform;'red'.usg demonstratively pillorying 'blue'.usg 'activists' etc. 1822269;1528678458;asciilifeform;afaik chinese sit and 'wait for the corpse to float by' just like 1000yrs ago. 1822270;1528678476;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine the chinese actually give a shit about the withc hunts in that obscure european colony. 1822271;1528678483;asciilifeform;virtue of patience, corpse reliably floats by. 1822272;1528678498;mircea_popescu;not anymore than anyone over at alphabet gives a shit about the misadventures of amstan ; or anyone at redhat about the new hole in boeck's ass, or etc. 1822273;1528678524;mircea_popescu;well... in the patient's defense, the anglotards are really not all that interesting. 1822274;1528678532;asciilifeform;about same amt of shit as mircea_popescu gives about the fate of newly-ejected condom, aha 1822275;1528678537;mircea_popescu;and this, from a race that is enthralled by fruit machines. 1822276;1528678548;asciilifeform;wat's a fruit machine 1822277;1528678572;mircea_popescu;you know, those things old ladies put coins intoi 1822278;1528678579;asciilifeform;aa 1armedbandit 1822279;1528678613;mircea_popescu;right 1822280;1528678625;asciilifeform;i thought this was in jp 1822281;1528678634;asciilifeform;where folx obsess , play'em 1822282;1528678644;asciilifeform;or was that some local variant. 1822283;1528678666;asciilifeform;(phunphakt -- 'sega' was originally usa/occupation-era co. that made 1armedbandits ) 1822284;1528678687;asciilifeform;'nintendo'--meiji-era titan of playingcard manufacture. 1822285;1528678706;mircea_popescu;afaik it's all small yellow folk. 1822286;1528678709;asciilifeform;poor folx luuuuvvvv to pennyante gamble. 1822287;1528678714;asciilifeform;i don't precisely know why. 1822288;1528678734;mircea_popescu;i dunno, colorful ? 1822289;1528678781;mircea_popescu;but the point of concern for mcguffin-book writers / social media personalities / journalists / whatever else the pantsuit keep telling themselves they do, would be that the chinese can't seem to be bothered to give the slightest fuck. these are some people who find even one arm bandits fascinating. 1822290;1528678811;mircea_popescu;i confess it'd worry me, in their place. 1822291;1528678857;asciilifeform;it is not given to fish, to wonder or worry about the life of the fisherman. 1822292;1528678868;asciilifeform;focus of fish, is the worm. 1822293;1528678883;asciilifeform;delish and entirely 'phreee' 1822294;1528679036;mircea_popescu;you know i just re-read your article, because i was curious. wtf was "unprofessional" about it ?! i mean, yes, there's deliberately constructed anti-"professional" items, like say recently the http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-things-that-didnt-happen-today-heres-192-cracked-github-keys-some-hotties-in-tech-included-yes/ phuctor discussion. 1822295;1528679073;asciilifeform;i think 'professional' is tardcode for 'responsible disclosure' and general usg-fellatio 1822296;1528679073;mircea_popescu;but your piece don't even remotely resemble. 1822297;1528679083;mircea_popescu;oh, like, you weren't "modest" enough ? 1822298;1528679087;asciilifeform;somethinglikethat 1822299;1528679117;mircea_popescu;so basically he can't show "his superiors" that he reads doubleplusungood folk who don't insert a "traiasca tovarasul" sentence twice per paragraph, is the idea ? 1822300;1528679131;mircea_popescu;maybe he gets fired if they think he doesn't like them anymore or something ? 1822301;1528679135;asciilifeform;also witness the redditards, 'harping on tpm, that's SOOO rms from 1997' etc 1822302;1528679167;asciilifeform;i'm surprised that nobody brought up the eating of toe fungus 1822303;1528679169;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, so if there's been a famine going for 20 years meatballs are "soo 1997" ? 1822304;1528679179;asciilifeform;more or less. 1822305;1528679200;mircea_popescu;!!key nikki_ff 1822306;1528679201;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5D2D2AB4789EC28501080C2F790E3C0093EF2474.asc 1822307;1528679207;mircea_popescu;holy shit, the dumbass managed. 1822308;1528679232;mircea_popescu;!!rate nikki_ff 1 aspiring slavegirl ; also famous for the "piss on the bitch" cocktail. 1822309;1528679235;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Yl92O/?raw=true 1822310;1528679336;mircea_popescu;!!v 8DE2EDFE706112BD08BC21F05A0FFA66614A66F04E25101DD36F84384CCABA00 1822311;1528679336;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated nikki_ff 1 << aspiring slavegirl ; also famous for the "piss on the bitch" cocktail. 1822312;1528679512;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: revisiting upstack -- i suspect that the decerebrated folx, are not aware of any such famine. google made the perfect fuffle for'em, the dildonic 'open comp' that offers 'fetish of power', go ahead and install linux etc. 1822313;1528679547;asciilifeform;sleeker, moar satisfying anal filler than ye olde wintel's hamfisted offering 1822314;1528679564;asciilifeform;'it's open, have you looked at coreboot' -- commenter 1822315;1528679671;mircea_popescu;steady diet of lulzsammich, this web. 1822316;1528679674;asciilifeform;for the moar advanced fetishists, even lets you solder contacts and rewrite boot rom etc., 'Чем бы дитя не тешилось, лишь бы не вешалось'(tm)(r) 1822317;1528679708;asciilifeform;'it's just a tpm, what's yer problem'. 1822318;1528679976;asciilifeform;re 'professionals', i can also picture 'you wrote it like a vuln reveal, but this is not a vuln, this is our masters getting jus primae noctis with our raw starfishes like god intended' irritation 1822319;1528680045;asciilifeform;'how dare you describe god's chosen as vulgar syphilitic rapists'. 1822320;1528680100;asciilifeform;this is the leitmotif audible to asciilifeform , at any rate. 1822321;1528680102;mircea_popescu;but you don't... do that. 1822322;1528680180;asciilifeform;i've met these folx in the flesh, show'em e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/nobus.jpg and response is lordosis 1822323;1528680183;mircea_popescu;anyway. in the end, i suppose it's pretty amusing to notice that a) indifferent of form b) the reaction will be to substance c) and negative because the substance's not usg-friendly but nevertheless d) claim to be a reaction to form. 1822324;1528680246;asciilifeform;possibly because there is no possible counter-argument to the substance. 1822325;1528680257;mircea_popescu;"usg sucks" "i don't like how you used the word suck" | "usg is dumb" "i don't approve of the usage of verbs" | "the goat is dead" "i don't like the syllable count and this has nothing to do with my suspicion the goat may be a veiled reference to usg". 1822326;1528680266;mircea_popescu;what, and nobody's supposed to notice ? 1822327;1528680267;asciilifeform;starfish is getting broad daylight waltzing, no way to boeck around the fact. 1822328;1528680902;asciilifeform;https://archive.li/A4vO1 << various lulz in re that famous octopus. 1822329;1528681221;asciilifeform;!Q later tell trinque might be worth testing whether koch's latest lul affects deedbot's gpg hose 1822330;1528681222;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1822331;1528681406;mircea_popescu;deedbot signs ? 1822332;1528681414;asciilifeform;verify 1822333;1528681438;asciilifeform;( see top qntra ) 1822334;1528681442;mircea_popescu;i thought it was specifically signing. 1822335;1528681445;*;mircea_popescu looks 1822336;1528681474;asciilifeform;let's put in the l0gz : 1822337;1528681482;asciilifeform;'The OpenPGP protocol allows to include the file name of the original input file into a signed or encrypted message. During decryption and verification the GPG tool can display a notice with that file name. The displayed file name is not sanitized and as such may include line feeds or other control characters. This can be used inject terminal control sequences into the out and, worse, to fake the so-called status messages. These 1822338;1528681483;asciilifeform;status messages are parsed by programs to get information from gpg about the validity of a signature and an other parameters. Status messages are created with the option "--status-fd N" where N is a file descriptor. Now if N is 2 the status messages and the regular diagnostic messages share the stderr output channel. By using a made up file name in the message it is possible to fake status messages.' 1822339;1528681485;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, it's supposed to matter when you run it from command prompt neh ? 1822340;1528681487;asciilifeform;( from the horse's mouth ) 1822341;1528681521;asciilifeform;loox like you can stuff arbitrary crapola into the filename field, and it gets term-interpreted to stderr ( where result is shat ) 1822342;1528681530;mircea_popescu;ah so the idea is that if shell callout, you might end up with wrong response ? 1822343;1528681540;mircea_popescu;i thought he used his own impl. 1822344;1528681540;asciilifeform;correct 1822345;1528681553;asciilifeform;iirc errybody's gpg-using items, callout. 1822346;1528681557;asciilifeform;e.g. vtrons. 1822347;1528681559;mircea_popescu;tho in retrospect i'm not entirely sure why i thought that. 1822348;1528681580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, well no, eucrypt crypts. 1822349;1528681592;asciilifeform;right but eucrypt is not a gpg-riding proggy. 1822350;1528681611;asciilifeform;( $nooseitem is not a gcrypt 0day, but gpg particular ) 1822351;1528684920;lobbes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-10#373478 << lol, I believe it. On the bright side, at least it didn't contain any brain-eating amoebas >> http://archive.is/SJSUG 1822352;1528684921;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-06-10 16:16 Mocky: !Q later tell lobbes I just got back from uwharrie national forest, ~50km east of Charlotte. ftr, 'deep river' is misnomer, more like 'shallow creek' 1822353;1528685142;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/ << The Whet - MP-WP: Genesis Regrind 1822354;1528685292;hanbot;^ phf please to update, apologies for the hassle. 1822355;1528688193;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, you selling wm ? any q really. 1822356;1528688201;mircea_popescu;oops. 1822357;1528689720;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/#comment-121713 << ahahah trinque has like the CUTEST avatar! 1822358;1528691839;ben_vulpes;https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/arts/ren-stimpy-creator-misconduct.html << relatit 1822359;1528697837;mircea_popescu;three ?! 1822360;1528727834;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the entomological pit : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFritz-chip >> 'I've deleted most of the article. The information here is already presented in a more up-to-date fashion at Trusted Computing, which is the correct title for the technology. "Fritz-chip" was never more than a moniker used by critics of the technology put forth by Sen. Hollings. The article now represents this fact. Warrens 23:24, 29 April 2006 ( 1822361;1528727834;asciilifeform;UTC)' 1822362;1528727865;asciilifeform;see why not to link to pedowikia, esthlos ? 1822363;1528727960;asciilifeform;meanwhile, reddit verdict : 'Are there any less tinfoiley sites that discuss this? All of the references circle back to him.' 1822364;1528727963;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1822365;1528728073;mod6;lol 1822366;1528728075;mod6;mornin' 1822367;1528728079;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1822368;1528728113;mod6;typical repsonse from reich. megaunsurprise. 1822369;1528728386;trinque;https://archive.is/kun1Z/2905364d6ab37678fbb6e32c2b116435a76d878f.png << shock and outrage that this artist has a thing for teenaged girls! 1822370;1528728387;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent 13 hours and 6 minutes ago: might be worth testing whether koch's latest lul affects deedbot's gpg hose 1822371;1528728407;trinque;the thick irony being that for most nickelodeon staff, 16 is way too old. 1822372;1528729101;trinque;asciilifeform: https://archive.li/sVoej << I get zero output from the test provided at the bottom using deedbot's gpg 1822373;1528730034;BingoBoingo;And in the Latest Brasilero quirks, Apparently 28C/82F is the appropriate night time temperature for the heatpump. Because of course during the winter everyone should be adapted to sleep at a summer daytime temperature. 1822374;1528730709;mircea_popescu;!!up IdleGandalf 1822375;1528730710;deedbot;IdleGandalf voiced for 30 minutes. 1822376;1528730719;mircea_popescu;who the fuck are you and what's with that idiotic nick. 1822377;1528730796;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking species has a thing for teenage girls ; that's the prime directive of sexuate reproduction : defloration. 1822378;1528730833;mircea_popescu;also, wouldn't you tihnk a girl kinda retarded, if it came out she lost it at 16 ?! 1822379;1528730866;mircea_popescu;it's only natural to get rid of the skin the same year the dumb shit starts bleeding ; and by and large the rule. in any case the ~normal~. 1822380;1528730930;asciilifeform;trinque: neato 1822381;1528731091;asciilifeform;hey BingoBoingo : does your dental school chix have access to xray ? 1822382;1528731098;asciilifeform;asciilifeform needs a bit of xrayin' 1822383;1528731111;asciilifeform;( well, not asciilifeform in person, but a 10 x 5 in. pcb ) 1822384;1528731122;mircea_popescu;lmao 1822385;1528731128;mircea_popescu;"Step right in here, mr alf" 1822386;1528731132;asciilifeform;lol 1822387;1528731196;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1822388;1528731197;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1822389;1528731268;trinque;john k's crime here is bending over to the state after making a career upon ramming lulz through the censors. "3 decades struggle with mental illness" such as being heterosexual. 1822390;1528731287;mircea_popescu;heh 1822391;1528731331;mircea_popescu;the atmosphere in the great stalin-less stalinism has changed lots. nowadays people actually say dumb shit like "what the government wants it called is the proper name for it" and other inanity like that. with a straight fucking face. 1822392;1528731339;mircea_popescu;something their parents would have never even considered. 1822393;1528731345;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/h1.jpg << observe, cr50 has buncha test pads. i bet half a dozen of these, are used for factory fillup. 1822394;1528731350;mircea_popescu;doh. 1822395;1528731357;mircea_popescu;they're nothing if not cheap. 1822396;1528731708;asciilifeform;for completeness, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/mb_top.jpg + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/mb_btm.jpg ( apologies for the sad photos, they came out of a flatbed, evidently not ideal tool for this job ) 1822397;1528731789;mircea_popescu;looks like you shook it. 1822398;1528731810;asciilifeform;does, dunnit. cuz its a flatbed. gets the chip markings, mostly, but the pcb itself is out of focus by mm or 2. 1822399;1528731816;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you can get factory probes on them pads, i would not even be surprised if you can just flash it without further ado. 1822400;1528731855;asciilifeform;doubt that it's quite so trivial, typically you gotta find how to hold it in reset so it doesn't boot up to its current fritz contents 1822401;1528731869;mircea_popescu;right, there's that. 1822402;1528731970;asciilifeform;one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing 1822403;1528731977;mircea_popescu;"gandalf". fucking morons. 1822404;1528731991;asciilifeform;but would prefer to find a purely softwaric pill (e.g. buffer overrun, or whatever means to get code exec) 1822405;1528732025;mircea_popescu;this may take a lot of doing. 1822406;1528732043;asciilifeform;idea being, it would be a substantial help to have even one unlocked box to experiment with. 1822407;1528732065;mircea_popescu;aha. 1822408;1528732100;mircea_popescu;these fucktards! they wanna go about derping about "tin foil" and whatnot "unprofessional", then queue up to read all about "gandalf". 1822409;1528732125;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, it's different species of slime". no, it fucking isn't. all slime is the exact same identical species : itself. 1822410;1528732143;asciilifeform;not merely 'gandalf', but 'idle gandalf'!11 1822411;1528732165;asciilifeform;the sheer cheek. 1822412;1528732261;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a break of the rng would also do the job. ( admittedly , tall order , but listed for completeness. ) 1822413;1528732284;asciilifeform;( the 'rma unlock' 32byte turd, is simply rng output ) 1822414;1528732294;mircea_popescu;accomodating fucking parents. 1822415;1528732313;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, how's the rng work ? maybe a bit of electric field can set out 1s ? 1822416;1528732334;asciilifeform;prolly it's the typical on-chip ring oscillator, plus bit of whitener. 1822417;1528732355;asciilifeform;the fact that h1 started life as fpga, suggests this. 1822418;1528732356;mircea_popescu;you got a field generator ? 1822419;1528732424;asciilifeform;i got various things. problem is that i do not currently have a popped unit where i can see the effect of $manipulation on rng (or any other part, aside from general 'it crashed') 1822420;1528732484;asciilifeform;the lulzy bit is that likely, a thousand or more unlocked units exist, in the hands of various derps 1822421;1528732518;asciilifeform;an ounce of intel work would prolly beat ten pounds of lab wizardry in this case. 1822422;1528732540;mircea_popescu;hm 1822423;1528732547;asciilifeform;( recall kgb maslennikov ? 'we dun break keys, we buy'em' ) 1822424;1528732554;mircea_popescu;problem is, they tend to be asexuate derps. 1822425;1528732595;mircea_popescu;but, i can see the angle. 1822426;1528733097;asciilifeform;and holy fuq the sheer militant uselessness of each new crop of i_came_via_reddit weevils. 1822427;1528733105;asciilifeform;seems as if each set breaks new record. 1822428;1528733208;mircea_popescu;and in other http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822012 lulz : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822363 is somehow an argument, but "all references circle back to usg" http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764431 bothers none of the pondscum. "that is normal". of fucking course it is, of the SOVEREIGN. which happens to be tmsr, not some rando criminal org. 1822429;1528733208;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 15:18 mircea_popescu: if he hadn't heard of the third reich instrument of surrender he'd be going around his village singing "tomorrow belongs to me". as it is, he derps on the periphery of google. if he realised tmsr owns the world he'd be "community organizing" for you. and so on. 1822430;1528733208;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 14:39 asciilifeform: meanwhile, reddit verdict : 'Are there any less tinfoiley sites that discuss this? All of the references circle back to him.' 1822431;1528733208;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 00:13 Matthew: you guys wrote this yourself right 1822432;1528733233;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, my sluts don't score so much better. 1822433;1528733256;mircea_popescu;you have no fucking idea what sorts of punishments it takes to de-ingrain the "now irc link turns off" processes they have. 1822434;1528733300;mircea_popescu;it'd be easier to turn them out. ~literally~, this isn't some sort of rhetorical device. it would be easier to turn them into streetwalking whores than to turn them into sane people whose online presence has continuity. 1822435;1528733342;mircea_popescu;the amount of washing it takes to recycle imperial-farmed cunt into useful slavery is mindnumbing. 1822436;1528733350;asciilifeform;'he will be a very well trained bear but never a world-class dancer' or how did it go. 1822437;1528733363;mircea_popescu;has nothing to do with it even. 1822438;1528733378;mircea_popescu;the better comparison is, 19yo who's been well trained to pick at her scabs. 1822439;1528733386;mircea_popescu;"bitch, stop fucking picking at it" "oh sorry master." 1822440;1528733394;mircea_popescu;2 minutes later.... "MOTHERFUCKER!!!" 1822441;1528733413;mircea_popescu;but it's this unholy alliance of "it itches" vegetative signal and "pick at your scabs" low level motherly acculturation. 1822442;1528733441;mircea_popescu;(this, by the way, is why you shouldn't permit women to run the house. it's way too fucking easy for them to fritz-chip the jtags.) 1822443;1528733458;mircea_popescu;and the results are never good. 1822444;1528733606;mircea_popescu;(and for the gandalfs in the peanut gallery : streetwalking is ~hard~. short of infantryman during war, streetwalker has the hardest, most biodemanding job there is. which is why i respect them a lot more than i respect githikipedia contributors) 1822445;1528733832;asciilifeform;here's a historical lul that mircea_popescu might find stimulating. asciilifeform ( and his brother, and a whole generation of folx ) grew up with a certain orc '100 bytes of ram, but hey it's fucking programmable' little box, http://www.alfredklomp.com/technology/mk-61 . and the Official b00k for it ( http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/G/GAYSHTUT_Aleksandr_Grigor'evich/_Gayshtut_A.G..html ) had various games (typically you had to draw on g 1822446;1528733832;asciilifeform;rid paper, to work the labyrinths, tank battles, etc ) ; 1822447;1528733873;mircea_popescu;aha. 1822448;1528733880;asciilifeform;but as the '90s marched on, the thing did not, apparently, immediately fade away and die ( troo comps remained expensive, rare, until '93-'94ish ); so folx continued to write and circulate samizdat gamez : http://lordbss.pp.ru/pmk.html 1822449;1528733912;mircea_popescu;ha. 1822450;1528733914;asciilifeform;one of these was 'reactor control' , with realistic constants, you had to ramp up reactor, control the rods and the sodium pump etc, object was to get max power but avoid meltdown 1822451;1528733922;mircea_popescu;this is like saying, "Here's our companion games to a pair of dice". 1822452;1528733932;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1822453;1528733934;asciilifeform;so the hilarious bit, is that folx wrote variations on the theme, 'sim whore', 'bordello' 1822454;1528733975;asciilifeform;that were in effect EXACTLY 'reactor control', but instead of sodium pump litres/sec, probability of runaway, etc. it was 'fucks per day', 'probability of VD', 'prob. of arrest', etc. 1822455;1528734028;mircea_popescu;haha 1822456;1528734063;asciilifeform;( and there were astonishing oddities of other kinds, for this humble machine, e.g. a 'tetris' where, lacking a graphical display, you had to instead pick a numeric column where the piece drops, and give another number representing rotation, and keep whole thing in yer head... ) 1822457;1528734094;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is the true problem with nuclear reactors : exactly like the coffee grinder (see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735165 ), the probability of runaway is almost never 0. 1822458;1528734094;a111;Logged on 2017-11-09 16:38 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu earlier suggested , 'boltzmann distrib' of coffee speck velocities, almost certainly has high end that grinds pieces of your vessel into the output 1822459;1528734106;asciilifeform;orlol had a hilarious essay on subj 1822460;1528734109;mircea_popescu;somehow all the "opponents" never managed to FUCKING SAY THIS, the only actual, valid argument. 1822461;1528734133;asciilifeform;where he 'picture trying to hire world-class pianists, if occasionally grand piano exploded and took entire county with it' 1822462;1528734135;mircea_popescu;said everything else. then they want to talk about tin foils. 1822463;1528734153;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, makes power, rather than beauty. 1822464;1528734164;mircea_popescu;truth of the marketplace is that a cent of power was always worth millions of beauty. 1822465;1528734175;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1822466;1528734256;asciilifeform;it is sorta hilarious how a good 50-60% of the popular (they were hand-copied, and machine had no nonvolatile memory, you had to throw in the proggy each time you flipped the power on ) gamez, were based on the very soviet-flavoured diff. eqn. models the factory manual suggested 1822467;1528734270;asciilifeform;'land the capsule' 1822468;1528734295;asciilifeform;( legendarily, soyuz actually carried mk-52, reportedly, on board, a sort of mk-61 with i/o connector, as backup to main comp ) 1822469;1528734356;mircea_popescu;this is the fundamental difference -- in the original soviet, the little soviets were expected to plug selves into machine. which, while in a deeply feminine sort of way, is nevertheless somehow satisfying. 1822470;1528734360;asciilifeform;compared to life with this orc box, mircea_popescu was tsar and god with his z80 . but , behold, even in 100bytes you can do things. 1822471;1528734368;mircea_popescu;the new soviets, however, are expected to hold it in hand -- the machine's all chinesium. 1822472;1528734382;asciilifeform;all these calculators came with full schems btw 1822473;1528734390;asciilifeform;'centerfold' in manual 1822474;1528734408;asciilifeform;complete with reference oscillograms. if yours dies (and not infrequently, it would) you were expected to repair. 1822475;1528734445;mircea_popescu;whole consumerist thing only really started in earnest after the soviets went away. 1822476;1528734501;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in oldies, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wA_0lSxkG8 1822477;1528734501;asciilifeform;the calculators, bk0010 ( tiny little pdp clone ! ), etc. is a sunken atlantis. it was all forgotten almost immediately when imported pc was carted in in qty 1822478;1528734574;asciilifeform;http://lordbss.pp.ru/pmk162.html << 'thief simulator' 1822479;1528734588;mircea_popescu;much like the killer micro was forgotten almost immediately once the handheld tivos were carted in qty. 1822480;1528734666;asciilifeform;'killer micro' was colonized by microshit, and almost immediately began the march towards death, 'how do we keep plebes from copying gamez', culminating in today's boxen. 1822481;1528734715;mircea_popescu;none of the girls own a desktop, you realize this ? 1822482;1528734722;mircea_popescu;"oh, i got my phone". 1822483;1528734730;mircea_popescu;bitch... a phone is a computer in the sense your slit's a cock. 1822484;1528734762;asciilifeform;ye olde mk61 is moar of computer. even tho poor orcistan never even invented soldermask, pcb was bare, like if i made it here in my kitchen. 1822485;1528734768;asciilifeform;cuz you could actually program! it. 1822486;1528734846;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'm starting to think i'll simply add a "owns desktop" disqualifier to the list. 1822487;1528734859;asciilifeform;disqualifier? 1822488;1528734865;mircea_popescu;it's how it worked in the 90s, right, you went to a new kid's house, had no computer could not be friends, evidently underclass only good to shine your shoes. 1822489;1528734868;asciilifeform;oh aa 1822490;1528734872;asciilifeform;qualifier, then? 1822491;1528734875;mircea_popescu;why should this have ever changed. 1822492;1528734890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, well, "no computer, you can't play" is a disqualifier. "obedient, you've made it" is a qualifier. 1822493;1528734899;asciilifeform;aa then makes sense 1822494;1528734926;*;asciilifeform realizes that he doesn't actually know anybody in meatspace, even elderly relatives, who does not own a desktop of ~some~ form 1822495;1528734953;mircea_popescu;you know it's like >pi per capita here ? i recently counted, it's a scandal. 1822496;1528734958;mircea_popescu;PLUS a pile of various laptops. 1822497;1528734975;asciilifeform;of course orc owns pile of laptops. orc will never throw anything away. 1822498;1528734992;mircea_popescu;no, they all work. 1822499;1528734998;asciilifeform;sure 1822500;1528735005;asciilifeform;why shouldn't they work. 1822501;1528735027;mircea_popescu;lmao. most common orc sentence re laptop includes "dun work" 1822502;1528735043;asciilifeform;( often there'll be half a kg of dirt in the ductwork, but thing will still work, after a fashion ) 1822503;1528735066;mircea_popescu;but eg why should i throw out http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778739 ? even if it's used once in a month, you fixed it for me, it's going in the tmsr museum 1822504;1528735066;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 13:56 mp_en_viaje: in other "thanks goodness computer means programmable machine", i have here this hp elitebook. it has the backlight permanently welded to "retina cancer". the "function" key bs works for everything else EXCEPT setting the brightness, fn-f9 does 0. 1822505;1528735070;asciilifeform;( btw another reason c101pa would be a spiffy orc lappy -- it's got no fans/ducts ) 1822506;1528735075;mircea_popescu;no, i know. 1822507;1528735107;asciilifeform;lol i recall that thing, it was, what, 3kg ? 1822508;1528735136;mircea_popescu;car's got what 3 ? 400 HP under the hood ? let it work. 1822509;1528735156;asciilifeform;i recall when it was fashionable to make 'car comp' 1822510;1528735161;mircea_popescu;in the immortal words of barry fitzgerald, "let a good piece of machinery earn its fuel" 1822511;1528735176;asciilifeform;thing went in the boot , display on long cable , hanging somewhere near gearshift 1822512;1528735192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i recall it too. i was fucking there! the motorola "cell phones" you could maim someone with, and the inductor computers, and so on. 1822513;1528735203;asciilifeform;aha! them 1822514;1528735229;mircea_popescu;before ac units, even. 1822515;1528735248;asciilifeform;not whole globe needs ac, tho 1822516;1528735257;asciilifeform;( ac was ~unknown on asciilifeform's homeworld ) 1822517;1528735310;mircea_popescu;not where i lived, either. but in the shitplain of southern romania ? very fucking needed. 1822518;1528735316;asciilifeform;http://lordbss.pp.ru/pmk149.html << 'escape from gulag' 1822519;1528735327;mircea_popescu;haha. bullocks included ? 1822520;1528735348;asciilifeform;nah , moar of a 'wumpus' 1822521;1528735361;asciilifeform;prolly there was a spicier ver. with bullocks, whole orchestra. 1822522;1528735407;asciilifeform;interestingly, a major puzzler was 'how to rng'. most folx used some trigonometric crapola; it ~worked.. 1822523;1528735434;*;mircea_popescu off to the dungeosn. bbl! 1822524;1528735439;asciilifeform;laters. 1822525;1528736473;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50 1822526;1528736474;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1822527;1528737523;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50: hello ? 1822528;1528741697;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I can ask. Is the PCB already in Uruguay? 1822529;1528741704;asciilifeform;nope 1822530;1528741710;asciilifeform;not unless BingoBoingo can find a c101pa in uy 1822531;1528741720;asciilifeform;( if he does, i'ma pay for it ) 1822532;1528741749;asciilifeform;!!up apt-get 1822533;1528741750;deedbot;apt-get voiced for 30 minutes. 1822534;1528741753;asciilifeform;apt-get: hello ? 1822535;1528741760;apt-get;hi 1822536;1528741783;apt-get;I just got d/c'd 1822537;1528741785;asciilifeform;what brings you to #trilema , apt-get ? 1822538;1528741794;apt-get;just here to lurk in general 1822539;1528741801;asciilifeform;apt-get: i recommend to read the logs 1822540;1528741811;asciilifeform;beats the shit out of plain lurking 1822541;1528741820;apt-get;I've been doing that a bit yesterday 1822542;1528741823;asciilifeform;apt-get: http://btcbase.org/log/ 1822543;1528741927;asciilifeform;apt-get: use the search box to find subjects that interest you 1822544;1528741950;asciilifeform;and then get yerself a proper nick, and register gpg key with deedbot , and become a person 1822545;1528742017;apt-get;>get yerself a proper nick 1822546;1528742024;apt-get;rude tbh, I've been using this one online for quite some time 1822547;1528742032;asciilifeform;well if you ~want~ to be known as apt-get... 1822548;1528742081;asciilifeform;apt-get: do you speak ru ? 1822549;1528742093;apt-get;asciilifeform, nope 1822550;1528742098;asciilifeform;damn 1822551;1528742104;apt-get;I've been interested in learning it for quite some time though 1822552;1528742127;asciilifeform;in re 'rude', the starting point is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536618 1822553;1528742127;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 23:49 asciilifeform: alice_: do you know expression 'в чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят' ? 1822554;1528742215;apt-get;I see 1822555;1528742268;apt-get;the reason I keep using this nick is because it's quite handy to have personal info drowned out in a sea of noise when someone tries to look it up 1822556;1528742286;apt-get;I'm more interested in that kind of persona rather than adopting an identity meant to be recognized 1822557;1528742357;trinque;how can you expect someone to care about "rude tbh" if you pride yourself on being unrecognizable 1822558;1528742419;trinque;this assuming for the moment that such things aren't immediate and reliable signs the speaker's an idiot 1822559;1528742579;apt-get;I wasn't actually offended or anything, it's just banter 1822560;1528743068;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aapt-get << sea of noise, parted 1822561;1528743579;asciilifeform;!!up |\n 1822562;1528743580;deedbot;|\n voiced for 30 minutes. 1822563;1528743588;asciilifeform;|\n: hello ? 1822564;1528743592;|\n;o/ 1822565;1528743600;|\n;what is the normal channel "flow", meaning how would i even ask a question if i got one 1822566;1528743606;|\n;just to know if it is even possible 1822567;1528743632;asciilifeform;|\n: ideally, you go and register gpg key with deedbot. then , let's say i rate you, and then you can speak whenever you have something to say. 1822568;1528743653;|\n;aha, cool! thanks asciilifeform 1822569;1528743655;asciilifeform;alternatively , somebody might give you voice, such as now , and you can speak for 30min. 1822570;1528743690;asciilifeform;|\n: recommend to read the logs, and make use of the search 1822571;1528743693;trinque;one might, say, introduce himself, like even my cat does when he walks into the room 1822572;1528743695;|\n;well it was fast i admit, now i'd better shut up because it brings too much crap to logs, got my answers, thanks 1822573;1528743736;trinque;|\n: nah you don't get off that easy. you're from .ru ? 1822574;1528743736;asciilifeform;|\n: as trinque points out -- you will get much more enthusiastic audience if you introduce yourself, and register a key, establish as person 1822575;1528743778;|\n;trinque, i'm just a dude that sometimes hears of phuctor and things that include links to the blog, i like what i see, cool pals discuss it, i'd like to track more of it, whatever it is 1822576;1528743782;|\n;i am, russia 1822577;1528743826;trinque;cool, there are several russian speakers present 1822578;1528743867;trinque;what do you do |\n ? 1822579;1528743901;|\n;apart from things unspeakable on freenode i love to bring up tor relays and i got a job as an admin of shitty place 1822580;1528743929;|\n;so i doubt theres anything remarkable i could tell about myself heh 1822581;1528744072;asciilifeform;|\n: i noticed today that there is 0 discussion of cr50/h1 in ru net 1822582;1528744080;asciilifeform;|\n: how about you go and fix this 1822583;1528744119;asciilifeform;the english people are clinically retarded. let's try the civilized world, how about. 1822584;1528744212;|\n;good shout, sure i got my miserable excuses, since i'm not media person, i constantly attempt to tell about such things to people who show interest, but the scales are as miserable as my excuses hah 1822585;1528744231;asciilifeform;|\n: use what you have. 1822586;1528744235;asciilifeform;!!up swiftgeek 1822587;1528744236;deedbot;swiftgeek voiced for 30 minutes. 1822588;1528744239;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: hello ? 1822589;1528744269;swiftgeek;doing simple fact checking, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 doesn't mark clearly fritz chip 1822590;1528744298;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: slightly better photo from today, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822393 1822591;1528744298;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 15:35 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/h1.jpg << observe, cr50 has buncha test pads. i bet half a dozen of these, are used for factory fillup. 1822592;1528744301;swiftgeek;oh now i see that violeet thing 1822593;1528744315;swiftgeek;sneaky 1822594;1528744345;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: if you want to talk to the cr50 in your unit, all you need is the simple cable in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 article 1822595;1528744353;asciilifeform;cr50 will appear on /dev/ttyUSB0 1822596;1528744376;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: nope i'm here for fact checking, from #libreboot 1822597;1528744378;asciilifeform;you will get a (very limited, pretty much all you can do is to read version strings and gpio voltages) command prompt 1822598;1528744401;swiftgeek;also if you somehow damage C201PA irrecoverably please don't trash them 1822599;1528744415;swiftgeek;that board itself needs to be reversed (PCB) 1822600;1528744416;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: i do not currently have a 201 1822601;1528744439;asciilifeform;i am however accumulating a pile of c101pa boards 1822602;1528744451;asciilifeform;and definitely interested in getting one xrayed. you got an xray machine, swiftgeek ? 1822603;1528744460;|\n;even if something is not clear - hardware is full of shit, supplying any trust towards vendors is as stupid as saying that someone might now have some private keys from whatever, being it an IT or automotive industry (pick any), i believe that is why some papers on standards that might shed light on ways of how proprietary things (that belong to owners) work 1822604;1528744460;swiftgeek;nope and won't help 1822605;1528744470;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: what we need is to tear down board layer by layer 1822606;1528744490;|\n;are pricey 1822607;1528744495;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Sciphone_Dream_G2#PCB_layers 1822608;1528744520;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: even simple xray would give you basic info, such as the number of balls in the bga, and possibly the routes of the test pads (it ain't a very crowded pcb) 1822609;1528744524;swiftgeek;if starts align properly i will be doing something similar for kgpe-d16 1822610;1528744532;asciilifeform;but ideally yes, would strip it properly 1822611;1528744554;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: also decap the damn chip 1822612;1528744562;asciilifeform;yes 1822613;1528744562;swiftgeek;and sent it to zeptobars or what they were called 1822614;1528744577;swiftgeek;yep them https://zeptobars.com/en/read/Espressif-ESP8266-wifi-serial-rs232-ESP8089-IoT 1822615;1528744587;swiftgeek;it's definitely in interesting category 1822616;1528744591;asciilifeform;all i've been able to find is that 1) it is an arm cortex-m , prolly licensed 2) started life as fpga ( see google's src, comments repeatedly refer to earlier vers as 'fpga' , then , later, 'g-chip' ) 1822617;1528744602;asciilifeform;it also has onboard flash 1822618;1528744619;asciilifeform;( the cr50 rom is ~not~ kept in the winbond spi rom where the boot loader ( google's crippled coreboot ) lives ) 1822619;1528744620;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: well in thinkpads we have fun gate array 1822620;1528744625;swiftgeek;that we are reversing 1822621;1528744633;swiftgeek;(PMH-* ) 1822622;1528744652;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: in re cr50, i am specifically interested in whatever factory test pads exist , with which the thing may be filled up with initial fw on manufacture 1822623;1528744673;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: well you should be only concerned first about black boxing it 1822624;1528744673;asciilifeform;if these are found, and found to work, it is likely to be the shortest path to proper jailbreak 1822625;1528744685;asciilifeform;black boxing ? 1822626;1528744686;swiftgeek;ie. it doesn't look like a necessary component to me 1822627;1528744695;asciilifeform;unfortunately it is 1822628;1528744700;swiftgeek;so making something equivalent first would be beneficial 1822629;1528744701;asciilifeform;they moved power supply init into it 1822630;1528744711;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: that's what i mean by that :D 1822631;1528744747;swiftgeek;it sounds like you can replace it easily by some dumb components 1822632;1528744785;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: see https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/board/cr50/gpio.inc ( what is known of the pin functions ) 1822633;1528744824;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: so it's necessary and it's like PMH but with mcu? 1822634;1528744828;asciilifeform;so far we know that it handles the power button signal; the reset magic combo on the kbd; and the 3.3v rail bringup. it also handles the usb debug functionality that you get with the cable linked earlier 1822635;1528744831;swiftgeek;what i mean is 1822636;1528744847;swiftgeek;is host communicating with it to do something important to keep machine alive? 1822637;1528744854;asciilifeform;but conceivably you could , at some expense, come up with a pad-for-pad substitute, and lift the thing, then solder to the balls 1822638;1528744854;swiftgeek;or is it just some stupid bloat 1822639;1528744870;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: the way it is connected now, the box won't actually power up without it 1822640;1528744873;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: well you only need to do it once 1822641;1528744878;asciilifeform;not once, but for each unit 1822642;1528744908;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: after that once you have confirmed model of black box and from then you can figure out something way more efficient 1822643;1528744938;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: asciilifeform's orig plan was to sell cleansed c101pa machines. if this said cleansing requires lifting a bga, and attaching a manufactured replacement , we will be talking about considerably different cost than if the machines can be cleansed in 10min via software, via debug snake. 1822644;1528744941;asciilifeform;makes sense ? 1822645;1528744961;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: i'm only speaking about doing it once in history xD 1822646;1528744972;swiftgeek;one unit no more 1822647;1528744989;asciilifeform;sure, but i want 1000+ units, rather than 1 elaborately handcrafted. 1822648;1528745011;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: the point is to take some lessons from that 1 unit 1822649;1528745026;swiftgeek;it will be silly if end result is just few modwires :> 1822650;1528745048;asciilifeform;google's src already contains everything you need, in theory, to make a hypothetical benign replacement for cr50 1822651;1528745053;asciilifeform;that ~only~ brings up 3v, etc 1822652;1528745075;asciilifeform;however this approach is expensive, in manual labour, and its cost borders on that of simply making new machines from 0 1822653;1528745084;asciilifeform;which makes it of secondary interest to us 1822654;1528745093;swiftgeek;eh 1822655;1528745130;asciilifeform;and as soon as we start doing it, they'll start pouring epoxy, and then cost goes up yet again 1822656;1528745133;swiftgeek;i'm telling you that it will be simpler to do it once and this way confirm every part of it 1822657;1528745158;swiftgeek;looking at some code you found there isn't the same as poking the actual thing 1822658;1528745162;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: if you'd like to take a c101pa and deball the bga and try this, and post article, i promise to read 1822659;1528745173;asciilifeform;sadly i am not currently equipped for such an experiment 1822660;1528745183;swiftgeek;WEP852D+ 1822661;1528745186;swiftgeek;they are cheap 1822662;1528745204;asciilifeform;i have a very similar machine 1822663;1528745205;swiftgeek;ok skip WEP, it's a whitelabel thing 1822664;1528745207;asciilifeform;that's not the sticking point 1822665;1528745224;swiftgeek;it's a tiny bga chip that you can remove yourself easily 1822666;1528745227;asciilifeform;sticking point is to solder to the balls 1822667;1528745237;swiftgeek;hmm 1822668;1528745248;asciilifeform;yes anybody can lift bga ( tricky to do without cracking the board, but doable if you are patient ) 1822669;1528745256;swiftgeek;not tricky xD 1822670;1528745268;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: x200t already requires a bit of rework 1822671;1528745273;asciilifeform;soldering however many balls are under it, to bodge wires, and attaching logic analyzer etc, is the headache 1822672;1528745277;|\n;in terms of labour there are many people who would lift it and reflow for 5-10 usd per operation, even here in russia, but epoxy will ruin such perfect model =) 1822673;1528745290;asciilifeform;what you'd want, is to solder an interposer b/w the cr50 and the pcb 1822674;1528745297;asciilifeform;and get a trace of all of the signals 1822675;1528745308;asciilifeform;( if you simply lift it, there'll be no signals, board doesn't come up ) 1822676;1528745310;swiftgeek;|\n: it's not that big chip xD 1822677;1528745345;swiftgeek;for something that silly cleaning it up will take order of magnitude more than rework xD 1822678;1528745363;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: out of curiosity, what's your interest in this particular box ? 1822679;1528745367;asciilifeform;coreboot dev ? 1822680;1528745377;swiftgeek;nothing , it went up on reddit 1822681;1528745380;asciilifeform;aah 1822682;1528745393;asciilifeform;!!up |\n 1822683;1528745393;deedbot;|\n voiced for 30 minutes. 1822684;1528745426;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: if somebody will end up with dead c201pa in eu then hopefully i will get it for teardown if they remember 1822685;1528745434;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: if you register a gpg key with deedbot, you will be able to voice yourself 1822686;1528745436;asciilifeform;!!help 1822687;1528745436;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1822688;1528745438;asciilifeform;^ instructions 1822689;1528745456;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/israeli-knesset-quietly-disqualifies-equality-bill-maintain-the-jewish-majority-even-if-it-violates-rights/ << Qntra - Israeli Knesset Quietly Disqualifies Equality Bill: Maintain The Jewish Majority Even If It Violates Rights 1822690;1528745458;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: why do you need a dead unit, why not buy fresh one 1822691;1528745462;asciilifeform;ultra-low budget project ? 1822692;1528745470;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: e-waste, i'm against it 1822693;1528745499;asciilifeform;not really possible to thoroughly reverse things without creating a pile of rubbish, sadly 1822694;1528745500;swiftgeek;using e-waste for research pretty much lowers amount of it 1822695;1528745504;asciilifeform;i'm on my 2nd board.. 1822696;1528745514;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: sure it is , it's the best way 1822697;1528745527;swiftgeek;but c201pa isn't very popular and people forget about me 1822698;1528745543;swiftgeek;with thinkpads we had much more fun 1822699;1528745553;asciilifeform;to be clear, asciilifeform is working with c101pa . 1822700;1528745554;swiftgeek;we pretty much understand in full depth what thinkpad is 1822701;1528745560;asciilifeform;( i do not yet know what is in the 201pa ) 1822702;1528745599;|\n;any intel on supply chain of this stone? had to ask 1822703;1528745606;asciilifeform;not currently 1822704;1528745639;asciilifeform;|\n: best suspicion thus far is that it is a 'hardcopy fpga' (cheap, relatively, method for getting chip baked, they apply a custom metallization mask to a stock crystal) 1822705;1528745639;|\n;any other devices with the extra similar one (even with brushed label)? 1822706;1528745641;swiftgeek;and remember that silly thing where people claimed that quality of thinkpads plummeted since IBM stopped making thinkpads and lenovo took over? 1822707;1528745653;swiftgeek;as if there was some noticeable change xD 1822708;1528745657;asciilifeform;|\n: only chromebook. afaik all recently-rolledout units, have it 1822709;1528745668;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: i definitely noticed the change. 1822710;1528745674;swiftgeek;IBM didn't make a single thinkpad since at least T20 1822711;1528745674;asciilifeform;having used ~every thinkpad made. 1822712;1528745702;swiftgeek;T line belongs to USI till T400/500, then lenovo took over 1822713;1528745719;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: if you are a thinkpad aficionado, there is a patched x60 bios in the logs, iirc 2015 1822714;1528745736;asciilifeform;we have several people here, using it 1822715;1528745738;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: i'm from #libreboot , dev :) 1822716;1528745740;asciilifeform;aa 1822717;1528745769;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: i actually started with attempt to port generic coreboot to c101pa, and ended up finding the cr50 by accident 1822718;1528745771;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: TrackPoint is 80C51 blob so we are reversing that too :) 1822719;1528745775;asciilifeform;neato 1822720;1528745792;asciilifeform;c101pa also includes a trackpad with flashable blob fw 1822721;1528745804;swiftgeek;well traskpoint is mask rom 1822722;1528745806;asciilifeform;thus far i know nothing about it aside from the update/reflash mechanism (it is done via the ec) 1822723;1528745814;asciilifeform;i also have a sample fw blob 1822724;1528745817;asciilifeform;but this is for much later. 1822725;1528745826;swiftgeek;but patents are expiring so it's really pressing to make libre trackpoint, even at scale modem 1822726;1528745828;swiftgeek;*model 1822727;1528745861;asciilifeform;personally, i'd consider a box with no trackpad function, to be usable 1822728;1528745871;asciilifeform;but perhaps that's just me 1822729;1528745937;swiftgeek;anyway so far you have took some guesses that it's a infeon chip right? 1822730;1528745951;swiftgeek;it certainly doesn't look like one 1822731;1528745954;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: to complete the picture, my initial interest in cr50 was in the debug functionality; the thing can override #WP signal and rewrite the EC and boot roms , via usb snake. so it'd be quite convenient to have access. however the factory firmware locks it. 1822732;1528745965;asciilifeform;it is not an infineon, this is more or less certain 1822733;1528745972;asciilifeform;google baked it as a replacement for the infineon. 1822734;1528746015;swiftgeek;machine is from 2013? 1822735;1528746017;asciilifeform;( i cannot rule out the possibility that it was built in cooperation with, or at the facility of , infineon; it is stamped 'TWN' so this is at least theoretically hinted ) 1822736;1528746020;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: 2018 1822737;1528746029;swiftgeek;huh? 1822738;1528746031;asciilifeform;i uncrated it in end of april 1822739;1528746033;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/h1_fritz_chip.jpg 1822740;1528746040;asciilifeform;!!up swiftgeek 1822741;1528746041;deedbot;swiftgeek voiced for 30 minutes. 1822742;1528746055;swiftgeek;from this pic, what's the newest date code ? 1822743;1528746062;swiftgeek;winbond is from 2011 1822744;1528746075;asciilifeform;that winbond's been in production since early 2000s 1822745;1528746082;asciilifeform;( it's the bootloader fw, btw ) 1822746;1528746088;swiftgeek;sure but they are not using old stock 1822747;1528746091;asciilifeform;the c101pa itself was introduced in '17 1822748;1528746104;swiftgeek;ah 101pa 1822749;1528746121;swiftgeek;i confused the 2 for 1 and this is the thing? 1822750;1528746133;asciilifeform;the h1 is the item in the right hand side of the photo 1822751;1528746137;asciilifeform;marked in purple 1822752;1528746147;swiftgeek;lol correct 1822753;1528746147;asciilifeform;'H1B2C' 1822754;1528746162;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: so that whole time i was thinking this is c201pa 1822755;1528746168;asciilifeform;aa 1822756;1528746170;asciilifeform;nope 1822757;1528746198;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: what's the name of the board? 1822758;1528746221;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_open.jpg << machine 1822759;1528746239;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: yeah i only care about board xD 1822760;1528746246;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: here's a flatbed scan of the board, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822396 1822761;1528746246;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 15:41 asciilifeform: for completeness, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/mb_top.jpg + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/mb_btm.jpg ( apologies for the sad photos, they came out of a flatbed, evidently not ideal tool for this job ) 1822762;1528746248;swiftgeek;c201pa is called speedy 1822763;1528746254;asciilifeform;this one is 'bob' 1822764;1528746267;asciilifeform;also apparently was known as 'gru' in early in-house versions 1822765;1528746282;swiftgeek;pretty awful but again wifi on m.2 card 1822766;1528746287;asciilifeform;( according to amstan , a fella from #linux-rockchip who introduced himself as one of the designers, but is rather tight-lipped ) 1822767;1528746290;swiftgeek;so if anything comes you can replace it lol 1822768;1528746301;asciilifeform;wifi is soldered down on these 1822769;1528746304;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: is it connected over sdio or pcie or usb? 1822770;1528746307;asciilifeform;but in theory you can plug in usb wifi etc 1822771;1528746308;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: yes correct 1822772;1528746315;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: m.2 comes in many form factors 1822773;1528746318;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: the wifi ? on this one ? seems to be on pci bus 1822774;1528746331;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: great then you can replace it ! 1822775;1528746342;asciilifeform;with reballing etc. lol. 1822776;1528746347;swiftgeek;no reballing lol 1822777;1528746349;swiftgeek;it's m.2 card 1822778;1528746361;asciilifeform;there's no socket on the pcb 1822779;1528746365;asciilifeform;the module is soldered on 1822780;1528746367;swiftgeek;yep 1822781;1528746409;swiftgeek;i can't guess dimensions properly so let's assume it's the same as with c201pa 1822782;1528746426;swiftgeek;M.2 Type 1216 1822783;1528746439;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: you can infer exact dimension from the usbc jack 1822784;1528746449;asciilifeform;( or the plain usb3 ) 1822785;1528746516;swiftgeek;shitty sparklan example http://www.sparklan.com/p2-products-detail.php?PKey=77ffCKwjlQdwb8Ih1Lte5lnBX2_gCozga_6dk6DCy0s&WNSQ-261ACN(BT) 1822786;1528746538;asciilifeform;yep looks like the same footprint 1822787;1528746555;asciilifeform;how would you go about lifting it without ending up reflowing the internals? 1822788;1528746572;swiftgeek;be sane 1822789;1528746573;asciilifeform;prolly would need ir preheater for the underside ? 1822790;1528746596;swiftgeek;not necessarily IR preheater or anything fancy but (any) preheater would be nice 1822791;1528746608;swiftgeek;due to bending and stresses due to differential heating 1822792;1528746613;asciilifeform;aha 1822793;1528746639;swiftgeek;still with patience it shouldn't do that even if you don't have preheater 1822794;1528746647;swiftgeek;and it kinda depends on thermal mass in that area 1822795;1528746651;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: if you end up doing it, plz consider publishing the procedure 1822796;1528746660;swiftgeek;why xD 1822797;1528746668;swiftgeek;it's normal thing 1822798;1528746684;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: grab yourself pile of e-waste and practice on that :> 1822799;1528746703;asciilifeform;like anatomical practice on corpses, the approach has its obvious limits 1822800;1528746719;asciilifeform;( waste pcb won't tell you that you have not reflowed/mutilated/stress-fractured something ) 1822801;1528746734;swiftgeek;except that level up is grab pile of e-waste 1822802;1528746735;swiftgeek;and fix them 1822803;1528746744;asciilifeform;at any rate i am not presently concerned with the 80211 card 1822804;1528746756;swiftgeek;wistron thinkpads are pretty decent when it comes to repair 1822805;1528746762;asciilifeform;thus far i know how to cut power to it, and this suffices for my purpose 1822806;1528746764;swiftgeek;(X series till x230 afair) 1822807;1528746774;asciilifeform;( its rail is controlled via EC ) 1822808;1528746780;swiftgeek;X240 was made by compal-lenovo joint venture 1822809;1528746796;swiftgeek;and afair end result was worst aspect of them both combined 1822810;1528746816;swiftgeek;(compal alone makes the best boards for debugging /repair) 1822811;1528746830;swiftgeek;you can diagnose compal board in 5 minutes flat 1822812;1528746842;swiftgeek;(given schematics and boardview) 1822813;1528746845;asciilifeform;currently i am not very interested in intel iron 1822814;1528746858;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: well compal makes tons of things xD 1822815;1528746861;asciilifeform;hence investigation of c101pa and similar 1822816;1528746872;swiftgeek;remember osmocombb moto things? 1822817;1528746876;swiftgeek;compal made them afair xD 1822818;1528746900;asciilifeform;https://osmocom.org/projects/baseband/wiki/MotorolaC123 << these ? 1822819;1528746907;swiftgeek;yep 1822820;1528746978;swiftgeek;yeah compal :D 1822821;1528747046;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: given your introduction ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822589 ) i assume you may be interested in verifying fact that cr50 is not a subfunctionality of the ordinary (i.e. kept in winbond spi ) bootrom or the EC controller ('nuvoton' arm , visible in right hand of photo ). this is very simple to do: 1822822;1528747046;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:11 swiftgeek: doing simple fact checking, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 doesn't mark clearly fritz chip 1822823;1528747089;asciilifeform;disable the spi boot rom using the method shown in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2382 article. then insert the 'suzyq' debug cable, shown in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 ; 1822824;1528747098;asciilifeform;you will observe that you are still able to communicate with the machine 1822825;1528747109;asciilifeform;because you are talking to cr50, which is active at all times, even when 'off' 1822826;1528747124;asciilifeform;and it does not rely on the cpu (referred to as 'AP' in google's srcs) 1822827;1528747126;asciilifeform;or the EC 1822828;1528747150;swiftgeek;welp that's interesting and if it spews out a lot of uart then it's most likely running on some core 1822829;1528747168;asciilifeform;it runs on the h1 device pictured in h1.jpg. 1822830;1528747199;asciilifeform;in fact , if you are so fond of lifting bga, lift the cpu , the spi rom, and the ec, and you will find that you still get the /tty/USB0 shell 1822831;1528747202;asciilifeform;!!up |\n 1822832;1528747203;deedbot;|\n voiced for 30 minutes. 1822833;1528747221;swiftgeek;oh it's an entire shell? 1822834;1528747228;swiftgeek;that's interesting for sure 1822835;1528747234;asciilifeform;btw you will get EC uart on /dev/ttyUSB1 1822836;1528747241;asciilifeform;and cpu uart ( from the rk3399 ) on /dev/ttyUSB2 1822837;1528747266;asciilifeform;the latter , you can get root shell on, on stock machine if it is in dev mode 1822838;1528747275;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: then i would really recommend finding dead one and sending chip to zeptobars 1822839;1528747303;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: i intend to send a unit to zeptobars in near future. i do not however expect any interesting result, afaik no 22nm or similar density device has ever been publicly reversed 1822840;1528747337;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: why would you expect that llol 1822841;1528747353;swiftgeek;i doubt it will be below 65nm 1822842;1528747361;asciilifeform;got example of a successful public reversing of any recent (i.e. post-1995) crystal ? 1822843;1528747368;asciilifeform;i'd luvv to be proven wrong on this subj 1822844;1528747383;swiftgeek;xtal? who reverses that? :D 1822845;1528747392;asciilifeform;not clock crystal, lol 1822846;1528747396;asciilifeform;i mean, asic die. 1822847;1528747402;asciilifeform;sorry, ru world terminology 1822848;1528747416;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: they are marked usualy on die 1822849;1528747435;swiftgeek;no need to reverse really, just look at it 1822850;1528747440;asciilifeform;lol i was not speaking of timing xtal 1822851;1528747449;swiftgeek;hopefully layers won't need to be removed 1822852;1528747472;asciilifeform;given as it is a tpm/drm crock of shit, i fully expect false metal masks and the other joys of 'tamper resistence' 1822853;1528747476;swiftgeek;but if they are bunch of dicks then first visible layer will be just metal blocking chip from the view 1822854;1528747486;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: is it TPM for real? 1822855;1528747493;swiftgeek;or do you just call it that 1822856;1528747504;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: look in the src, it incorporates tpm 1822857;1528747517;asciilifeform;i.e. 100% replacement of the old infineon they formerly used 1822858;1528747547;swiftgeek;then yeah inform zeptobars about the need to remove metal layers 1822859;1528747558;swiftgeek;it will make for interesting post lol 1822860;1528747596;swiftgeek;sigh i think i lost video about removing layers xD 1822861;1528747647;asciilifeform;the sad bit is that it is many yrs of labour, to go from even a high quality die shot, to functionality 1822862;1528747661;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSW8dZeE1yM 1822863;1528747669;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: you won't :D 1822864;1528747681;asciilifeform;it so happens that i know how decapping etc is done. 1822865;1528747682;swiftgeek;the point is to see something in it 1822866;1528747752;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: my specific interest is to get arbitrary code exec on the device. 1822867;1528747764;asciilifeform;rather than, say, to fill photo album with pretty pics. 1822868;1528747780;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: sure but not looking can double the work 1822869;1528747798;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: out of curiosity, what would you look for in a die shot ? 1822870;1528747803;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: possible theories of what PMH7 is were pretty wild till we realized it's TC200G 1822871;1528747821;swiftgeek;i finally realized from leftover clues 1822872;1528747829;swiftgeek;but it would be clearly marked on the die as well 1822873;1528747836;asciilifeform;i, for instance, would like to know which fpga was their starting point. and where its factory test pads are. 1822874;1528747852;asciilifeform;and whether there is any mechanism to inhibit them 1822875;1528747854;asciilifeform;!!up swiftgeek 1822876;1528747855;deedbot;swiftgeek voiced for 30 minutes. 1822877;1528747867;swiftgeek;yep and all that you will learn from photo of zeptobars 1822878;1528747875;asciilifeform;ideally 1822879;1528747877;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50 1822880;1528747878;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1822881;1528747882;swiftgeek;+ you can take some educated guesses 1822882;1528747887;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: even more ideally, would learn this without waiting for decaps. 1822883;1528747892;asciilifeform;but this is still in progress. 1822884;1528747900;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50: hello ? 1822885;1528747908;swiftgeek;well you will see standard cell library 1822886;1528747916;swiftgeek;eventually somebody will match it to factory 1822887;1528747939;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: you know how this usually ends, right ? 1822888;1528747941;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: just like via matched their to what asmedia stole from them 1822889;1528747951;|\n;imaginary, just in theory, can it be some ST72264G2 1822890;1528747951;swiftgeek;fun case 1822891;1528747952;asciilifeform;the way it usually ends, is that we learn something useful just in time for the device to go out of print. 1822892;1528747975;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: remember that recent AMD chipset from amdflaws? 1822893;1528747982;asciilifeform;which is what the designer was banking on when he put in the false metallization layers etc. 1822894;1528747985;asciilifeform;sure 1822895;1528747992;swiftgeek;asmedia made it, using standard cell library stolen from VIA 1822896;1528748002;swiftgeek;and i was wondering why we don't see so much VIA chipsets anymore xD 1822897;1528748082;swiftgeek;https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-cand-5_14-cv-03586/pdf/USCOURTS-cand-5_14-cv-03586-10.pdf 1822898;1528748096;swiftgeek;oh wait that's another filing lol 1822899;1528748115;asciilifeform;at any rate, my current approach will be to do some fuzzing of the cr50 console and slave spi interfaces 1822900;1528748121;swiftgeek;this one https://insight.rpxcorp.com/litigation_documents/12326879 1822901;1528748126;asciilifeform;if i can exploitably crash the thing , my job is done 1822902;1528748150;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822402 . 1822903;1528748150;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 15:46 asciilifeform: one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing 1822904;1528748189;swiftgeek;anyway back to the name 1822905;1528748200;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: do you know what is the name of the board yet or not ? 1822906;1528748210;swiftgeek;it's often close to coreboot name 1822907;1528748211;asciilifeform;what do you mean by 'name' ? 1822908;1528748217;asciilifeform;google's product code is 'bob' 1822909;1528748226;asciilifeform;dev version of same, was 'gru' 1822910;1528748236;swiftgeek;bob ? xD 1822911;1528748241;swiftgeek;microsoft bob? 1822912;1528748304;asciilifeform;https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices << see vendor's chart. 1822913;1528748330;asciilifeform;September 1, 2017 Asus Chromebook Flip C101PA Bob rk3399 etc 1822914;1528748368;swiftgeek;yeah then judging from c201pa entry 1822915;1528748370;swiftgeek;it's called bob 1822916;1528748384;asciilifeform;you will find the string in the boot rom fw also 1822917;1528748395;swiftgeek;that will make for shitty search results in google 1822918;1528748409;swiftgeek;bob repair guide 1822919;1528748410;swiftgeek;lol 1822920;1528748412;asciilifeform;there is very little to be had in the search results, other than the src repo itself 1822921;1528748437;swiftgeek;they are doing this shitty naming on purpose 1822922;1528748449;swiftgeek;so i won't find anything xD 1822923;1528748481;asciilifeform;c101pa finds various retailers, and, if you dig persistently, asciilifeform's www, and that's currently more or less it. 1822924;1528748511;asciilifeform;to be fair, it's a pretty recent box. 1822925;1528748545;swiftgeek;ok can't find anything on any usual suspects 1822926;1528748605;swiftgeek;it should appear about now for that device 1822927;1528748643;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: here, btw, is the factory boot rom (crippled coreboot) from that winbond : http://loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/factory_rom.bin 1822928;1528748654;asciilifeform;you can extract strings from it, and see which bob rev etc 1822929;1528748665;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: repair guide is something that asus supplies for their devices 1822930;1528748675;swiftgeek;it's just a block diagram and power sequencing / tree 1822931;1528748682;asciilifeform;repair guide only shows you how to get the box open, really 1822932;1528748688;swiftgeek;no xD 1822933;1528748694;swiftgeek;it doesn't show that at all xD 1822934;1528748700;asciilifeform;not much use ( it is not difficult to open, and the c100pa published disassembly applies to this one, the screws are in same places ) 1822935;1528748720;asciilifeform;there is nothing usefully removable on the mb, aside from the heat sink 1822936;1528748730;asciilifeform;so i'm not sure what you expect to find in a vendor repair book 1822937;1528748731;swiftgeek;just board shots from 2 sides with few testpoints, block diagram and power sequencing / tree 1822938;1528748733;swiftgeek;that's it 1822939;1528748737;asciilifeform;aa 1822940;1528748751;asciilifeform;i have a pretty good idea of the power sequencing, from reading the ec and cr50 srcs 1822941;1528748752;asciilifeform;but sure. 1822942;1528748777;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: so if you have some asus authorized repair shop 1822943;1528748780;swiftgeek;bring cookies 1822944;1528748785;swiftgeek;and vodka 1822945;1528748793;asciilifeform;lol what does 'repair shop' do aside from swapping mb 1822946;1528748800;asciilifeform;( i do it right here with 10min of work ) 1822947;1528748809;swiftgeek;silly stuff like fuses apparently 1822948;1528748821;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: i don't consider swapping a board as repair 1822949;1528748834;asciilifeform;yes in china there are repair shops that lift bga etc. 1822950;1528748839;asciilifeform;but you will not find these in usa. 1822951;1528748851;swiftgeek;i thought you were in russia 1822952;1528748857;asciilifeform;nope 1822953;1528748859;asciilifeform;that was |\n 1822954;1528748864;swiftgeek;ah 1822955;1528748875;swiftgeek;then just bring cookies and whatnot 1822956;1528748891;swiftgeek;it never hurts trying 1822957;1528748893;asciilifeform;i don't see this as a productive line of probing 1822958;1528748897;swiftgeek;(at the end of their shift) 1822959;1528748904;asciilifeform;board-swapping monkeys. 1822960;1528748908;swiftgeek;nah 1822961;1528748957;swiftgeek;you need to at least check some points c'mon 1822962;1528748962;asciilifeform;srsly, try walking into repair with chromebook. 'we can reset this for you for $50', lol 1822963;1528748997;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: i would bake cookies and bring them some xd 1822964;1528749006;asciilifeform;the schem, for instance, is not given to repair contractors. or i would already have found it. 1822965;1528749012;swiftgeek;they are 1822966;1528749026;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: sometimes it's schematics sometimes it's boardview alone only 1822967;1528749048;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: if something ever leaks it first appears on chinafix xd 1822968;1528749052;asciilifeform;right 1822969;1528749055;asciilifeform;and it ain't there. 1822970;1528749058;asciilifeform;last i saw. 1822971;1528749067;swiftgeek;what i mean is that chromebooks aren't popular in china 1822972;1528749079;asciilifeform;fwiw i don't have any use for anything short of the schem 1822973;1528749091;swiftgeek;so likeliness of it leaking on its own is tiny 1822974;1528749092;asciilifeform;i have already identified all of the major components 1822975;1528749103;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: well lol, it's about netlist 1822976;1528749109;asciilifeform;well yes, the schem 1822977;1528749118;asciilifeform;fwiw the only nonstandard chip is the h1. 1822978;1528749121;swiftgeek;we need it to have something proper 1822979;1528749125;asciilifeform;everything else, is off-the-shelf 1822980;1528749151;swiftgeek;otherwise you are literally reversing open source code to figure out something that is presented clearly and for sure in boardview/schematics 1822981;1528749173;swiftgeek;that m.2 module thing took seriously way too much time for us xD 1822982;1528749198;asciilifeform;according to amstan , the fella claiming to be a designer of c101pa , everything connected with cr50 is deeply trade secret, and shared with no one outside of google. 1822983;1528749201;swiftgeek;i only realized it when investigating some newer SSDs 1822984;1528749214;swiftgeek;pfffff 1822985;1528749219;asciilifeform;but i have no way to verify the truth of what he said, aside from noticing that there is 0 discussion anywhere on the net, aside from #trilema and my www, of the h1. 1822986;1528749233;asciilifeform;( if you know of a counter-example, please link ) 1822987;1528749267;swiftgeek;together with your explanation of purpose of the chip 1822988;1528749270;swiftgeek;it's not possible xD 1822989;1528749296;swiftgeek;either chipie does far less or the thing is secret 1822990;1528749302;asciilifeform;so far my only clue that h1 actually runs the given fw , is that i was able to flash in a vendor update : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821699 and ended up with a slightly different, in the ways suggested by the src, console 1822991;1528749302;a111;Logged on 2018-06-08 17:15 asciilifeform: i was able to flash in the https://gsdview.appspot.com/chromeos-localmirror/distfiles/cr50.r0.0.10.w0.3.4.tbz2 image ; it supports a few moar commands, including 'rma open' returned-to-factory unlocker thing. but result was , unsurprisingly, 'with notes from hitler only' : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_unlock_nodice.txt 1822992;1528749347;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: anyway authorized repair shop has ridiculous amount of tools to diagnose board 1822993;1528749359;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/ << starting point re console functionality ( locked and unlocked ) 1822994;1528749365;swiftgeek;whether they use it or not it's up to them xD 1822995;1528749373;swiftgeek;just like apple geniuses 1822996;1528749394;swiftgeek;with that amount of tools you could fix those devices during a coffee break xD 1822997;1528749457;asciilifeform;a chinese shop could, for instance, mount the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_dbg.jpg ( 'google servo' ) connector, on to the vacant pads. BUT this does not give me anything that i do not already have via the 'suzyq'. 1822998;1528749481;swiftgeek;libreboot thinkpad doesn't have it easy, neither BSDLs nor XOR test chains are described for our montevina targets 1822999;1528749490;asciilifeform;not to mention that i do not have the 'servo' device, nor see anything to be won from building it ( it gives access to the consoles, which i already have, and spi, which i already have via soldered probes, and that's it. ) 1823000;1528749509;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: ask paulk-* 1823001;1528749527;asciilifeform;the fella in #rockchip-linux ? 1823002;1528749528;swiftgeek;* signifies device paulk is connecting from 1823003;1528749537;swiftgeek;#libreboot / #coreboot at least 1823004;1528749558;asciilifeform;paulk-gagarine ? 1823005;1528749560;swiftgeek;yep 1823006;1528749562;asciilifeform;seems that we have already spoken 1823007;1528749569;asciilifeform;see the june 9 log. 1823008;1528749573;swiftgeek;gagarine is the machine 1823009;1528749574;asciilifeform;( their chan's ) 1823010;1528749586;asciilifeform;https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-09 1823011;1528749586;swiftgeek;so don't be confused if he logs from different node xD 1823012;1528749612;asciilifeform;fella seemed quite surprised that h1 exists at all 1823013;1528749630;swiftgeek;sure it was planned and everything was so pompous about it 1823014;1528749640;swiftgeek;i didn't know they have actually made it finally 1823015;1528749657;asciilifeform;at any rate i encourage folx who think that i dreamed it all, to build the snake ( i posted schem ) and do the exact experiment suggested earlier in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822821 . 1823016;1528749657;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:57 asciilifeform: swiftgeek: given your introduction ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822589 ) i assume you may be interested in verifying fact that cr50 is not a subfunctionality of the ordinary (i.e. kept in winbond spi ) bootrom or the EC controller ('nuvoton' arm , visible in right hand of photo ). this is very simple to do: 1823017;1528749659;swiftgeek;and included in commercial device at that 1823018;1528749664;asciilifeform;!!up swiftgeek 1823019;1528749664;deedbot;swiftgeek voiced for 30 minutes. 1823020;1528749704;asciilifeform;!!up hl` 1823021;1528749705;deedbot;hl` voiced for 30 minutes. 1823022;1528749708;asciilifeform;hl`: hello ? 1823023;1528749711;hl`;Hi. 1823024;1528749718;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: anyway if you can tell i care a lot about e-waste and such chipie is creating serious problems 1823025;1528749720;asciilifeform;what brings you to #trilema, hl` ? 1823026;1528749728;hl`;I'm a longtime owner-control advocate. 1823027;1528749740;hl`;I found your blogpost on lobste.rs. 1823028;1528749741;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: as far as i'm concerned , all boxes not yet cured of fritz are 'ewaste' 1823029;1528749758;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: as soon as they roll off the conveyor. 1823030;1528749762;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: well if you want to blame google/asus sure 1823031;1528749776;swiftgeek;but don't actually treat them like that 1823032;1528749788;asciilifeform;hl`: please read the chan logs and make use of the search, before asking q, http://btcbase.org/log/ 1823033;1528749799;hl`;Sure. 1823034;1528749837;swiftgeek;it's kinda like neighbouring country dumping some trash in forest of other country 1823035;1528749849;swiftgeek;*in your country 1823036;1528749867;swiftgeek;while it's illegal dump, you have to deal with it nevertheless 1823037;1528749869;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: i personally am more annoyed at rubbish masquerading as computer, than by general-purpose rubbish 1823038;1528749888;asciilifeform;( and by the total unavailability, other than as antique, of actual computer ) 1823039;1528749972;swiftgeek;hmm let's take last ditch detour, FCC ID 1823040;1528750017;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: i can tell at the very least it doesn't look like anything ROHM would make (the chip) 1823041;1528750035;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: UAY-W8997-M1216 1823042;1528750039;asciilifeform;as printed on bottom of chassis 1823043;1528750064;swiftgeek;yeah another one of those modular certification 1823044;1528750072;asciilifeform;doesn't give much . 1823045;1528750112;swiftgeek;just m.2 module 1823046;1528750146;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: https://fccid.io/UAY-W8997-M1216/Letter/Modular-Approval-Request-3270024 1823047;1528750156;asciilifeform;right 1823048;1528750158;swiftgeek;it's a new form of getting FCC certification 1823049;1528750175;swiftgeek;and you get confirmation on size 1823050;1528750181;swiftgeek;m.2 1216 1823051;1528750215;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: understand, i have a quite specific aim in re this machine, outlined in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822866 . i do not particularly care re the irrelevant details, e.g. the shape of the antennae in m2, or the exact diameters of the screw holes, etc. 1823052;1528750215;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 20:09 asciilifeform: swiftgeek: my specific interest is to get arbitrary code exec on the device. 1823053;1528750236;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: sure, but you can replace card :) 1823054;1528750258;asciilifeform;i can also 'replace the card' by switching off its power rail via ec and inserting usb nic dongle. 1823055;1528750263;asciilifeform;so this part is not so interesting imho. 1823056;1528750291;asciilifeform;but i will add, cr50 also hangs from same vreg's enable line and can switch it... back on 1823057;1528750302;asciilifeform;( afaik strictly via the console, but this remains to be determined ) 1823058;1528750378;asciilifeform;i've established that cr50 ~will~ accept fw update if ver is incremented and rsa signature is valid. so anybody with google's rsa key and 10 seconds of physical access can insert new fw into cr50. 1823059;1528750407;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: ditto for any other TPM 1823060;1528750432;asciilifeform;( this was possible because i purchased a unit having cr50.r0.0.10.w0.3.3 fw ) 1823061;1528750442;swiftgeek;what i'm annoyed about is that infeon is not distributing updates directly to consumers 1823062;1528750456;swiftgeek;so if somebody has separate module they are left vulnerable 1823063;1528750458;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: the typical x86 pc 'infineon' etc tpm, cannot do such interesting things as overriding bios write protect, accessing microphone, etc 1823064;1528750469;asciilifeform;so 'it's a tpm' is not anything like whole story. 1823065;1528750487;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: it kinda can in very specific circumstances 1823066;1528750492;asciilifeform;i am not particularly interested in infineon, you can safely desolder it from any box that has it 1823067;1528750499;asciilifeform;and render it harmless 1823068;1528750499;swiftgeek;sure 1823069;1528750522;swiftgeek;would be nice to have nicer implementation with riscv :D 1823070;1528750524;asciilifeform;cr50 however is 'glued with broken glass' 1823071;1528750528;asciilifeform;i fucking hate riscv 1823072;1528750530;asciilifeform;!#s riscv 1823073;1528750530;a111;7 results for "riscv", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=riscv 1823074;1528750540;asciilifeform;it was designed by wreckers 1823075;1528750545;asciilifeform;and pushed under false pretenses 1823076;1528750548;swiftgeek;j2 would be fine too 1823077;1528750571;asciilifeform;it is not difficult to design a usable cpu, if you don't need bincompatibility with anything 1823078;1528750582;asciilifeform;fabrication, is the rub. 1823079;1528750604;swiftgeek;well it's already implemented in mass produced devices 1823080;1528750621;asciilifeform;other than as fpga softcore -- where ? 1823081;1528750625;swiftgeek;nvidia gpus 1823082;1528750629;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 1823083;1528750632;asciilifeform;no thx. 1823084;1528750634;swiftgeek;it's a start 1823085;1528750637;asciilifeform;it is no start. 1823086;1528750642;asciilifeform;nvidia is on same shitlist as intel 1823087;1528750652;asciilifeform;and for same reason. 1823088;1528750657;swiftgeek;sure but they will chip into contributing to toolchain 1823089;1528750677;asciilifeform;fuck riscv. it was deliberately designed with no arithmetical carry, to cripple cryptography. 1823090;1528750709;swiftgeek;how does j2 compare? :P 1823091;1528750732;asciilifeform;j2 at least has the virtue of being small, and fitting in ice40 fpga. 1823092;1528750755;swiftgeek;so does picorv32 1823093;1528750761;asciilifeform;( or maybe not quite fitting, but it's close ) 1823094;1528750781;asciilifeform;understand, i can have ice40 boards to fit lappy chassis roll off conveyor in 6mo, if i want. 1823095;1528750795;asciilifeform;but would like to try cleansing commercial arm64 board, first. 1823096;1528750833;asciilifeform;if none can be cleansed -- we make from scratch, yes. 1823097;1528750843;swiftgeek;yeah i was just saying about having TPM module implemented in open manner 1823098;1528750853;asciilifeform;why the FUCK would you want 'open' manacles ? 1823099;1528750860;asciilifeform;what does it even mean. 1823100;1528750868;asciilifeform;how about NO manacles. 1823101;1528750887;swiftgeek;then everything would need to be implemented properly in SoC 1823102;1528750891;hl`;no, TPMs _can_ be used to secure your own stuff if _you_ control them 1823103;1528750912;hl`;not really trustworthy if they have non-free firmware on them, but theoretically they have a use case 1823104;1528750919;asciilifeform;hl`: nope. 1823105;1528750931;swiftgeek;hl`: not exactly that case either 1823106;1528750933;asciilifeform;they're a nsa boobytrap, sold under the fraudulent pretense of 'security' 1823107;1528750943;asciilifeform;over in the civilized world, we http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/ our crypto. 1823108;1528750947;asciilifeform;no magic chips needed. 1823109;1528750956;swiftgeek;hl`: it depends on root of trust being somewhere else 1823110;1528750965;asciilifeform;whole concept of 'root of trust' is a crock of shit. 1823111;1528750966;swiftgeek;otherwise it can be pretty easily replayed 1823112;1528750974;asciilifeform;we don't pki, and we don't ssl. 1823113;1528750981;hl`;that doesn't protect against physical attacks. 1823114;1528751005;swiftgeek;hl`: you don't need physical attack there really 1823115;1528751006;asciilifeform;hl`: i am not interested in buying iron that specifically protects against everybody-but-nsa physical attack. 1823116;1528751019;asciilifeform;and i am definitely not interested in iron that protects against ~my~, the owner's, physical attack. 1823117;1528751034;asciilifeform;my machine. i read or flip whatever fucking bits i want. 1823118;1528751036;swiftgeek;hl`: if you have more devices on same bus you can figure out something to sniff it, and later replay 1823119;1528751059;swiftgeek;hl`: but OTP root of trust is not a solution either 1823120;1528751059;hl`;yes, exactly. i'm talking about the use of owner-controlled TPMs to secure against other parties. 1823121;1528751092;asciilifeform;tell me again why i would want 'tpm' if i have an airgapped 1990s machine for all computations on secrets. 1823122;1528751095;swiftgeek;hl`: especially when you think about reselling the device 1823123;1528751125;asciilifeform;you don't resell crypto hardware, you thermite it 1823124;1528751128;asciilifeform;in a barrel. 1823125;1528751140;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/spy-stuff/ << like this. 1823126;1528751148;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: it depends on having root-of-trust (tpm isn't it), then it's a fun store of secrets 1823127;1528751179;asciilifeform;my 'root of trust' is iron that i assembled with own hands, out of soviet components, and sealed with glitter polish. fuck fritz tpm. 1823128;1528751179;swiftgeek;if there is no root of trust on device then it's just another layer of obfuscation 1823129;1528751188;hl`;there's not really that much point to tpms if physical attacks aren't in your threat model. if they are, they can provide resistance against evil maids, etc. 1823130;1528751207;asciilifeform;hl`: how much do you like google's tpm, which opens in 3 seconds to 'evil maid' with the magic rsa key ? 1823131;1528751220;swiftgeek;hl`: softbrick in thinkpad provides resistance against evil maids :) 1823132;1528751220;hl`;asciilifeform: completely unacceptable in my view, since it's anti-owner control. 1823133;1528751249;hl`;to be clear, any company which ships chips fused to only run their code gets a 'fuck you' from me 1823134;1528751251;asciilifeform;whole concept of 'tpm' is explicitly counter to owner control. starting from when it was called 'palladium' and pushed by ms. 1823135;1528751265;swiftgeek;hl`: 1. lock device in dock (with key), softbrick, profit 1823136;1528751278;hl`;asciilifeform: not exactly. the fundamental premise is just to measure the computing environment - this can be used to pro-owner ends if you control the tpm. 1823137;1528751295;asciilifeform;this is the fundamental fallacy that resulted in a market empty of honest iron. 1823138;1528751315;asciilifeform;if i cannot audit the contents of the device, it is impossible to prove the nonexistence of magic key. 1823139;1528751335;hl`;pretty much - agreed that TPMs with nonfree firmware (i.e. all of them which currently exist) are pretty dubious for that reason. 1823140;1528751344;swiftgeek;yep 1823141;1528751350;hl`;(especially since they have a bloody _firmware update_ capacity. !) 1823142;1528751353;asciilifeform;crypto on single-die device of modern (i.e. past 25 yrs ) manufacture, is a losing proposition. 1823143;1528751356;asciilifeform;no matter how you cut it. 1823144;1528751371;swiftgeek;hl`: we have seen plenty mask rom exploits already 1823145;1528751382;hl`;swiftgeek: hmm, can you elaborate? 1823146;1528751391;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: go and maskrom-exploit my made-in-zelenograd-in-1985 cpu. 1823147;1528751403;swiftgeek;hl`: not really, but whether medium is ro or rw it doesn't matter 1823148;1528751411;swiftgeek;it still has ram and you can exploit it 1823149;1528751415;swiftgeek;ram and cpu * 1823150;1528751430;asciilifeform;!#s specificity of diddling 1823151;1528751431;a111;50 results for "specificity of diddling", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=specificity%20of%20diddling 1823152;1528751432;hl`;Sure. Honestly, I'm surprised nobody has managed to dump decrypted Intel microcode yet. Seems to me you could probably accomplish something with glitching. 1823153;1528751434;asciilifeform;^ starting point for discussion. 1823154;1528751455;swiftgeek;hl`: and nobody dumped yet trackpoint code either :> 1823155;1528751465;swiftgeek;and it's just a silly 80c51 mcu 1823156;1528751471;swiftgeek;without ADC 1823157;1528751479;asciilifeform;we were discussing 'hardware which you trust to do rsa exponentiation' , neh 1823158;1528751481;asciilifeform;!!up swiftgeek 1823159;1528751482;deedbot;swiftgeek voiced for 30 minutes. 1823160;1528751502;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: yep it needs to be open otherwise lol 1823161;1528751511;asciilifeform;which resolves to 1) i wrote the code 2) i know that the die was not built in advance to subvert the functionality of said code 1823162;1528751516;asciilifeform;!!up hl` 1823163;1528751517;deedbot;hl` voiced for 30 minutes. 1823164;1528751528;asciilifeform;'open' isn't worth a sparrow's fart, per se 1823165;1528751547;asciilifeform;if you cannot determine via physical means that the proggy as-published is actually executing on the given device 1823166;1528751550;asciilifeform;it, and no other 1823167;1528751566;asciilifeform;this is physically ~impossible with e.g. 60nm 1823168;1528751585;swiftgeek;you wouldn't go below 65nm if you are sane for tpm 1823169;1528751599;swiftgeek;cost / power efficiency / tooling 1823170;1528751604;asciilifeform;speaking of all recent (sub-2uM , really) densities 1823171;1528751608;swiftgeek;and reliability /yield 1823172;1528751641;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: we can go far with maskless lithography :P 1823173;1528751681;asciilifeform;let's take an example of trustworthy iron : K573RF4 ( https://eandc.ru/pdf/mikroskhema/k573rf4.pdf ) 1823174;1528751688;hl`;asciilifeform: that's actually an interesting idea - i've toyed with a similar idea previously, though for different applications. basically, my idea was to come up with some way of algorithmically generating algorithms such that the algorithm generator can know the correct answer computationally easily, but where the structure of the algorithm is highly randomised such that it resists analysis in the 1823175;1528751690;hl`;general case - basically using the halting problem as a trapdoor function. 1823176;1528751709;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: those packages are expensive and cute :) 1823177;1528751735;swiftgeek;hl`: google chip fingerprinting 1823178;1528751744;asciilifeform;this is an eprom. and i've had them in physical possession long enuff to know that they weren't touched by fucking nato. and , on top of this, i can physically photo the crystal without decap. 1823179;1528751747;swiftgeek;DARPA was messing with that a lot 1823180;1528751759;hl`;i.e., you'd have to solve the halting problem to write a program which can analyse the generated programs in the general case, meaning that any computational malevolence (compromised silicon, etc.) can only compute the result of the algorithm by executing it unless someone solves the halting problem 1823181;1528751764;asciilifeform;hl`: this is a perpetuum mobile. 1823182;1528751775;swiftgeek;asciilifeform: no this is qualcomm modem code 1823183;1528751783;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-12#1236209 << see also thread 1823184;1528751783;a111;Logged on 2015-08-12 17:41 ascii_field: (see also, for similar lulz, 'whitebox cryptography') 1823185;1528751794;asciilifeform;swiftgeek: yes, and it's snake oil. 1823186;1528751812;swiftgeek;to what? 1823187;1528751816;swiftgeek;everybody knows it burns eyes 1823188;1528751818;asciilifeform;it exists strictly to slightly increase the headache for reversers, and is not interesting tech from my pov 1823189;1528751858;swiftgeek;well a lot for researchers 1823190;1528751872;swiftgeek;and not at all for anyone trying to exploit it xD 1823191;1528751910;asciilifeform;at any rate there does not currently exist ANY usable crypto algo, of any purpose, for which a complexity class reduction to any class is known. 1823192;1528751927;asciilifeform;and in particular a reduction of ~every~ generated key, rather than avg case. 1823193;1528751947;asciilifeform;there is not even a proof that the difficulty of rsa is equivalent to that of factoring. 1823194;1528751957;asciilifeform;( and there is no known complexity class pindown of factoring. ) 1823195;1528751980;asciilifeform;if anybody told you otherwise, he is a dirty liar, and probably selling snake oil. 1823196;1528752045;swiftgeek;nah i was just referring that qcom code is generating code that generates to generate code that (....) 1823197;1528752047;asciilifeform;back upthread -- discussion of 'roots of trust' WILL start with , at the very MINIMUM, iron where i can fucking see the transistors through optical microscope. and never with anything else. 1823198;1528752058;asciilifeform;any other notion of 'root of trust' is fritzian. 1823199;1528752086;swiftgeek;goldberg machine made out of code 1823200;1528752090;*;asciilifeform brb, teatime 1823201;1528752192;swiftgeek;hl`: anyway only with proper root of trust you can measure all stages with tpm 1823202;1528752205;hl`;swiftgeek: yeah. 1823203;1528752239;swiftgeek;otherwise i will exploit other device on the bus and replay it remotely 1823204;1528752260;swiftgeek;and in x86 case that happens to be EC 1823205;1528752285;hl`;that's actually a fair point too. as implemented in e.g. PCs nowadays, even putting the closed firmware issues aside, the way they are integrated is _not_ secure. they're just connected using open pins to the CPU, you could easily replay everything 1823206;1528752288;swiftgeek;(or worse - ME) 1823207;1528752318;hl`;(see TPM reset attacks. the TPM specification people claim that these were fixed with TPM1.2, this is not correct however) 1823208;1528752351;swiftgeek;yep that makes it possible even with root of trust 1823209;1528752377;swiftgeek;but exploiting TPM firmware so much that it resets 1823210;1528752391;swiftgeek;and TPM implemented so poorly that it doesn't reset x86 with it 1823211;1528752402;swiftgeek;meh 1823212;1528752498;swiftgeek;anyway so far there is no root of trust implemented in SoC that respect end user 1823213;1528752600;swiftgeek;anyway that covers everything for me, i can only wait for more docs to appear (or dead boards) 1823214;1528752611;swiftgeek;bye o/ 1823215;1528753213;asciilifeform;in one ear and out the other, apparently . 1823216;1528753332;*;asciilifeform apologizes to log reader for having allowed this waste of time to clutter the chan. 1823217;1528753447;asciilifeform;if anyone was puzzle re naggum's remark concerning 'read only brains' -- here they are! 1823218;1528753454;asciilifeform;*puzzled 1823219;1528754086;BingoBoingo; that doesn't protect against physical attacks. << Buy a dog and carry a hammer 1823220;1528754171;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: somehow the derps obsess with 'wife replaced while you sleep' scenario. aaaand then go on to advocate elaborate tpmdildo that makes this scenario actually workable. 1823221;1528754186;asciilifeform;via nobus. 1823222;1528754340;asciilifeform;rotten old fungus man rms, you can say whatever about, but he was exactly on target re how this particular item will go, back in '97. first, 'it only stores keys, harmless!' ( and won't give'em up to usg Because Reasons ... ) then 'ok now it can rewrite fw' 'yer lying, they Would Never!11!!' '...' 1823223;1528754342;BingoBoingo;Well for most people, wife replaced while they sleep would probably be +EV 1823224;1528754426;asciilifeform;lol 1823225;1528754706;BingoBoingo;And with the read only brains, only hope they have is that they are interesting enough to an MP for them to recieve their exploitable crash that re-enables write access. 1823226;1528754736;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it isn't clear to me, what, if anything, these folx wanted, other than to waste our time. 1823227;1528754744;asciilifeform;'go to repair shop!' the cheek. 1823228;1528754781;BingoBoingo;that, or to repeat the "common" process they are sure gets done all the time. 1823229;1528754800;asciilifeform;it isn't clear that all of their derpery has to date added up to any 'gets done' 1823230;1528754804;asciilifeform;considering e.g. libreboot 1823231;1528754810;asciilifeform;and its continued derping with intel 1823232;1528754850;asciilifeform;!#s libreboot 1823233;1528754850;a111;95 results for "libreboot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=libreboot 1823234;1528754856;asciilifeform;^ dun forget what they're famous for.. 1823235;1528754867;BingoBoingo;Trannygate 1823236;1528754872;asciilifeform;aaha 1823237;1528755126;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823179 << phunphakt, asciilifeform ( in ascii_butugychag period ) was a slave in precisely that bit of idiocy, sat in the peanut gallery at the derp committee, etc 1823238;1528755126;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 21:15 swiftgeek: DARPA was messing with that a lot 1823239;1528755151;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714991 << see also. ) 1823240;1528755151;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 23:48 asciilifeform: kanzure: i spilled the beans from a similar darpa conference that i attended, in the heart of the beast itself, few yrs back ( it's in the l0gz, spoiler : multilinear map homomorphic crypto is bunkum ) and still waiting for gasenwagen 1823241;1528755202;asciilifeform;afaik boneh et al are still there, still pushing the same lulzoil 1823242;1528755300;BingoBoingo;Well, living in the land of Mate crackpipes you get to see this behavior taken to extremes. They are playing the game where they TRY to burn as many man hours as possible in an unproductive manner. 1823243;1528755418;BingoBoingo;Productivity is dangerous. In Uruguay the danger is raising the bar and taking away from crack pipe time. In DARPA land the dangers being fended off are myriad. 1823244;1528755449;asciilifeform;in darpa land they do what in civilized world is called 'освоение бюджета'. 1823245;1528755501;asciilifeform;(i.e. snarfing up that delish printolade like there's no tomorrow ) 1823246;1528755557;asciilifeform;each wunderwaffen has a seekrit committee , with nsa-vetted gentry, and a larger nonseekrit ('commercial'), for ladling out grantolade to academics and quasiacademics 1823247;1528755599;asciilifeform;seekrit committee generally concerned with specifics of applications (i.e. anything where you gotta know the identity of intended victim, say) 1823248;1528755612;asciilifeform;the nonseekrit -- with the bulk of the implementation detail. 1823249;1528755804;asciilifeform;upstack, observe the lulzfest, where http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823026 and then http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823205 demands fritz on-die in cpu ! for 'security!' 1823250;1528755804;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 20:42 hl`: I'm a longtime owner-control advocate. 1823251;1528755804;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 21:24 hl`: that's actually a fair point too. as implemented in e.g. PCs nowadays, even putting the closed firmware issues aside, the way they are integrated is _not_ secure. they're just connected using open pins to the CPU, you could easily replay everything 1823252;1528755822;asciilifeform;'pleeeze, pleeeeeze make it secure from MY OWN HANDS!!!' 1823253;1528755850;asciilifeform;'pleeeze make it so only obama can read with nobus key!!' 1823254;1528756090;asciilifeform;the very notion that anything whatsoever happening on a nato-produced 22nm die is 'owner controlled'... 1823255;1528756213;asciilifeform;they dun make tards, apparently even, like they used to. i swear , the tards from 10y ago were not this thick. 1823256;1528756290;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823242 << naaah BingoBoingo , see, different thing. the crack smokers for the most part only burn ~own~ time. ~these~ folx, they want to burn yours, and mine. 1823257;1528756290;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 22:15 BingoBoingo: Well, living in the land of Mate crackpipes you get to see this behavior taken to extremes. They are playing the game where they TRY to burn as many man hours as possible in an unproductive manner. 1823258;1528756351;asciilifeform;it'd be one thing if, say, google dev showed up and 'yes i'ma pgp to mircea_popescu the magic key', or even 'here's the schem'. but nooo, instead they come to 'explain' to us how 'tpm can be used to benefit you' . 1823259;1528756382;asciilifeform;because somehow this is not insulting to the intelligence of the fucking fruit fly stuck to my display. not even speaking of the l1 lordship. 1823260;1528756456;danielpbarron;crack smokers will burn any time they can get ahold of, granted they generally glob onto other cracker smokers of the have-money-to-buy-more variety 1823261;1528756548;asciilifeform;certainly. 1823262;1528756570;trinque;perhaps the compartmentalized nonsense factory is not such a strong longterm strategy 1823263;1528756583;trinque;for one, I'd expect anyone who spent enough time in one to come out the other side schizophrenic 1823264;1528756591;asciilifeform;trinque: ever meet these folx in the flesh ? 1823265;1528756601;trinque;gladly, never. 1823266;1528756608;asciilifeform;they're exactly like eichmann, perfect little marvels of industrious compartmental schizoid 1823267;1528756667;asciilifeform;usg cultivates these, from childhood 1823268;1528756684;asciilifeform;see e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822328 re their public end. 1823269;1528756684;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 01:35 asciilifeform: https://archive.li/A4vO1 << various lulz in re that famous octopus. 1823270;1528756749;asciilifeform;one autist sqeals in delight designing shutter for the drone camera, another -- the rocket proximity cap, another -- likes to draw cute little octopi; etc 1823271;1528756773;asciilifeform;not 1 would be caught dead giving half a shit re what it all adds up to 1823272;1528756839;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584061 << see also. 1823273;1528756839;a111;Logged on 2016-12-16 14:31 mircea_popescu: japan got buldozed chiefly because of the utterly immoral attitude of thinking people at the time. 1823274;1528757279;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ( and other awake folx ) , plz to point future 'fact checker' i_came_from_reddit folx, to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822821 + http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822990 etc, if i'm off in meatland 1823275;1528757279;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:57 asciilifeform: swiftgeek: given your introduction ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822589 ) i assume you may be interested in verifying fact that cr50 is not a subfunctionality of the ordinary (i.e. kept in winbond spi ) bootrom or the EC controller ('nuvoton' arm , visible in right hand of photo ). this is very simple to do: 1823276;1528757279;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 20:35 asciilifeform: so far my only clue that h1 actually runs the given fw , is that i was able to flash in a vendor update : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821699 and ended up with a slightly different, in the ways suggested by the src, console 1823277;1528757312;asciilifeform;or better yet, if they dun show signs of a half-working brain, just !!down , dun hesitate, 'ваше слово, товарищ маузер!'(tm)(r) 1823278;1528757916;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i still find it lulzy how google apparently banked on nobody outside of their heathen pit getting hold of the fucking debug hose. 1823279;1528757937;asciilifeform;with which in 10 minutes you can verify that, yes, independent fucking fritz chip 1823280;1528757939;asciilifeform;!!up oda 1823281;1528757940;deedbot;oda voiced for 30 minutes. 1823282;1528757957;mircea_popescu;and in other news, i bought myself a meter and a half long spoon paddle. 1823283;1528757957;asciilifeform;oda: hello ? 1823284;1528757966;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sounds versatile 1823285;1528757982;mircea_popescu;hand crafted wood. dood was beffudled, didn't really even want to sell it to me. "it's for ovens". 1823286;1528757983;oda;Hi, just got here after reading the cr50 article on loper-os 1823287;1528758000;oda;Just wanted to lurk a bit and see what sort of chat goes on here 1823288;1528758007;asciilifeform;oda: you will definitely want to read the log ( http://btcbase.org/log/ ) and use the search box. 1823289;1528758063;mircea_popescu;mostly terrorism and sexual perversion. 1823290;1528758073;oda;asciilifeform: thanks, will do. 1823291;1528758073;asciilifeform;oda: you can start with today's , let's say from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822562 point, the last set of cr50 people 1823292;1528758073;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 18:59 deedbot: |\n voiced for 30 minutes. 1823293;1528758092;mircea_popescu;except for alf, he's militantly anti-technical. 1823294;1528758103;asciilifeform;more or less!11 1823295;1528758190;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm picturing the archaetypical baba yaga scoop 1823296;1528758208;mircea_popescu;just about, but flat. perfect buttwarmer. 1823297;1528758219;asciilifeform;http://volshebstvo.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/baba-yaga-pech.jpg << for ref. 1823298;1528758298;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1823299;1528758405;oda;!!register pubkey-url https://tiuxo.com/Brian%20Clemens.asc 1823300;1528758405;deedbot;Provide a paste URL to the ascii-armored GPG public key or the full 40 character key fingerprint without spaces or dashes. 1823301;1528758432;mircea_popescu;and in other fuck-this-failed-civilisation, NO SHOP in all the fucking town had a proper beach towel. the chinese overlords have decided all towels must be up to 1/3 size and that's it. "i want a towel king bed size" "you mean sheets ?" "no dood. towel." "here's the towels." "these are small." 1823302;1528758472;mircea_popescu;eventually went to specialist store, bought 3 meters of double-width towel substance, had them rodeando it. 3 * 3500 + 3000 for the work = ~30 bux. now i have a proper beach towel, can seat five. 1823303;1528758823;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822546 << it's sorta like naming yourself Brick Curb, but hey, if that's what you actually want... 1823304;1528758823;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 18:33 apt-get: rude tbh, I've been using this one online for quite some time 1823305;1528758893;mircea_popescu;then again alf almost sounds like an anime character, doesn't seem to have hurt him any. 1823306;1528758899;mircea_popescu;o wow, that reminds me 1823307;1528758909;mircea_popescu;!#s "bee" "dog" 1823308;1528758910;a111;114 results for "\"bee\" \"dog\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22bee%22%20%22dog%22 1823309;1528758915;danielpbarron;oda, also the true word of God 1823310;1528758916;mircea_popescu;!#s "alfer" 1823311;1528758917;a111;67 results for "\"alfer\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22alfer%22 1823312;1528759114;mircea_popescu;hey Mocky : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-24#1413916 kinda lamost promises a case for saying alfer character ~is based on~ alf! 1823313;1528759114;a111;Logged on 2016-02-24 04:23 mircea_popescu: omfg alf sees the world like a bee-dog : in black and white and all pixelated. 1823314;1528759135;mircea_popescu;as the whole bee-dog has been a thing for all these many years. 1823315;1528759244;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822555 << why do you think so ? 1823316;1528759244;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 18:37 apt-get: the reason I keep using this nick is because it's quite handy to have personal info drowned out in a sea of noise when someone tries to look it up 1823317;1528759330;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822571 << are we talking, bipedal or quadripedal ? 1823318;1528759330;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:01 trinque: one might, say, introduce himself, like even my cat does when he walks into the room 1823319;1528759569;mircea_popescu;oda, try putting it in p.bvulpes.com ; that tiuxo site uses some ssh bullshit / isn't on the web. 1823320;1528759616;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822579 << you'd be surprised how narrow that set actually is. 1823321;1528759616;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:05 |\n: apart from things unspeakable on freenode i love to bring up tor relays and i got a job as an admin of shitty place 1823322;1528759761;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822603 << for the record, that made absolutely no sense. 1823323;1528759761;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:14 |\n: even if something is not clear - hardware is full of shit, supplying any trust towards vendors is as stupid as saying that someone might now have some private keys from whatever, being it an IT or automotive industry (pick any), i believe that is why some papers on standards that might shed light on ways of how proprietary things (that belong to owners) work 1823324;1528759763;mircea_popescu;!!up oda 1823325;1528759764;deedbot;oda voiced for 30 minutes. 1823326;1528759806;oda;mircea_popescu: I got it working with the paste site in the deedbot help site. Also that tiuxo site is my site. Cloudflare filtering might have denied deedbot, I filter out China / Russia / Korea and a few useragent strings I was getting a lot of weird traffic from 1823327;1528759837;mircea_popescu;we don't generally support the idiocy known as https, so merely you not serving http may put you outside of the web. 1823328;1528759845;mircea_popescu;not to mention the whole pile of shit that's cloudflare. 1823329;1528759854;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well Google probably didn't exact anyone to care to look 1823330;1528759880;mircea_popescu;see http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/ to get an idea where the republic's coming from re all this "convenience" and web n.0 bs. 1823331;1528759908;oda;jej, so this is a cat-v type crowd? 1823332;1528759949;mircea_popescu;actually... worse. 1823333;1528759959;mircea_popescu;in fact, there was a collision at some point, where was it... 1823334;1528759972;oda;not that there's anything wrong with that. just that my convictions regarding software choices are a bit more moderate 1823335;1528759975;mircea_popescu;here : http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/ 1823336;1528759998;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : cat-v was a bunch of dorks collected around a chosen kid, trying to do things. chosen kid died and they turned to scar tissue. 1823337;1528760181;mircea_popescu;different from, say, comp.lang.lisp archive in that a) their chosen kid wasn't naggum and b) they actually had gathered around properly, as opposed to the idiots on bbs, captive in their self-important notions of independence and other man-alone-isms. 1823338;1528760191;danielpbarron;i once triggered a guy to the point of thinking he might have his first fist fight, over anti-ssl, till his friend dragged him away 1823339;1528760285;oda;I enjoy following nerd drama but I try to stay out of arguments. Only one in recent memory was a bunch of people calling me an idiot for swapping on zram (which I kind of have to do on my shitty netbook) 1823340;1528760415;mircea_popescu;who cares about ram ? 1823341;1528760431;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron, was this at burning geek ? 1823342;1528760579;danielpbarron;lol yes 1823343;1528760609;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822645 << this is retarded. 1823344;1528760609;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:22 swiftgeek: asciilifeform: i'm only speaking about doing it once in history xD 1823345;1528760610;danielpbarron;i was wearing my openbsd shirt that read "Keep calm and abandon OpenSSL" 1823346;1528760635;mircea_popescu;we're not here to try and convince mommy that we're cool kids. we're here to fuck her in the ass until it prolapses, and leave her chained to a pole in the park where all the used needles are. 1823347;1528760649;mircea_popescu;because we don't love her secretly. we hate her, and quite fucking plainly. 1823348;1528760655;danielpbarron;guy says "and replace it with what??" to which I said "idk, libreSSL, but i'm not really a fan of ssl in general" 1823349;1528760679;mircea_popescu;lol. 1823350;1528760693;danielpbarron;and he flipped out, started accusing me of working with the enemy, got all shaky and had to be literally dragged away 1823351;1528760704;mircea_popescu;really, replace it with nothing. ssl is a braindead answer to a malformed question nobody asked. 1823352;1528760751;mircea_popescu;http is a ~stateless~ protocol. you need state, do something else. no, there may not be such a thing as a "website login", not anymore than there can be a planesubmarine. 1823353;1528760781;danielpbarron;speaking of the buring geek, bitcoin is (i suspect) a banned word/topic 1823354;1528760793;danielpbarron;it's "crypto" now 1823355;1528760820;danielpbarron;as in, anything else, just not bitcoin, that thing i told them years ago they shouldn't be spending on hotdogs and coffee 1823356;1528760825;mircea_popescu;well, they're the kids with no clue or skill, hoping to eat off the usg's printouts. what's to expect. 1823357;1528760859;danielpbarron;what i expected has come to fruition, nobody who would attend such an event can afford to buy bitcoin anymore 1823358;1528760931;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822648 << can you step back from your own insanity, and look at how they fucked your head ? really, you're going to go through your entire life "taking lessons", ie not doing anything, because that's what they made you do it at the child abuse camp they call college ? and then what, you'll be 80 and dying on a borrowed mattress, and... what ? you'll have had all these lessons you "took" ? wh 1823359;1528760931;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:23 swiftgeek: asciilifeform: the point is to take some lessons from that 1 unit 1823360;1528760931;mircea_popescu;ere the fuck did you take them ? 1823361;1528760941;mircea_popescu;you took nothing. start ~ACTUALLY~ taking. heads on pikes. 1823362;1528761242;danielpbarron;they have some app exibitors can use to promote where they'll be and what they are serving (i reserved a vendor campsite specifically for the purpose of provoking conversation about the Bible) -- i also mention in my "profile" that i'm a lord in the most serene republic of Bitcoin, which mysteriously gets removed. I add it again, removed again. They apparently don't mind a religious "cult" but not 1823363;1528761248;danielpbarron;of the bitcoin variety 1823364;1528761301;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron, should be a pretty decent heuristic indicator for you. one of the two things you're in is going somewhere, according to the beast. 1823365;1528761340;ben_vulpes;heh tmsr shadowbanned even at bm 1823366;1528761348;ben_vulpes;write it up, danielpbarron ! 1823367;1528761379;danielpbarron;i'm working on an article that suggests otherwise, porcfest is too small a thing to go to such existential lengths 1823368;1528761399;mircea_popescu;heh. 1823369;1528761560;danielpbarron;they placed me next to the celebritarian muslim guy. idk if coincidence, but i'm glad -- the guy will be serving food, and food vendors attract all the foot traffic 1823370;1528761676;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822678 << teenager looking for somewhere to teenage today, if it wasn't evident. 1823371;1528761676;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:29 asciilifeform: swiftgeek: out of curiosity, what's your interest in this particular box ? 1823372;1528761862;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822694 << jesus fuck how fucking braindead can you get! let ~everyone else~ not use fucking computers, holy shit. there's a reason http://trilema.com/2016/the-megawatt-standard/ already! 1823373;1528761862;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:31 swiftgeek: using e-waste for research pretty much lowers amount of it 1823374;1528761871;mircea_popescu;waste is the most important signal of social hierarchy. that's what it's fucking for. 1823375;1528762018;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822702 << being worked on, but so far seems alf is actually exactly right, whitelabel arm cortex. 1823376;1528762018;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:33 |\n: any intel on supply chain of this stone? had to ask 1823377;1528762068;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822705 << not so far identified. 1823378;1528762068;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:33 |\n: any other devices with the extra similar one (even with brushed label)? 1823379;1528762089;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1. People who make lots of trash 2. people who make some trash 3. People who collect trash with donkey carts 4. People who collect trash with trash bags 5. People who sleep in trash 1823380;1528762114;mircea_popescu;not even bad for a first approx! 1823381;1528762164;BingoBoingo;The structures that become part of your reality in the bananastan too cold for growing bananas 1823382;1528762354;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822727 << idem. 1823383;1528762354;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:37 asciilifeform: personally, i'd consider a box with no trackpad function, to be usable 1823384;1528762354;BingoBoingo;The trash mining sector of the economy here is probably the third largest behind Tourism and Agriculture depending on the order those two sort themselves into. 1823385;1528762532;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823382 << i accidentally nuked the trackpad on my current test unit, so i got this!11 1823386;1528762532;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 00:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822727 << idem. 1823387;1528762558;asciilifeform;( btw when it's Trooly Cured i'ma put it up for auction, mircea_popescu-style ) 1823388;1528762581;asciilifeform;'rapebook ser no 0001' or such. 1823389;1528762600;mircea_popescu;haha cool. 1823390;1528762722;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823375 << except, it ain't a proper arm cortex, but a softcore-arm in (metallization)fpga. cuz i suspect somebody read the Logz re specificity-of-diddling 1823391;1528762722;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 00:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822702 << being worked on, but so far seems alf is actually exactly right, whitelabel arm cortex. 1823392;1528762751;asciilifeform;( picture, an imp of satan actually reading and learning sumthin' ) 1823393;1528762753;mircea_popescu;"whitelabel", how'd you call it ? 1823394;1528762775;asciilifeform;well 'whitelabel arm' implies a proper physical one with the engraving sanded off. which i suspect this one is emphatically not. 1823395;1528762806;mircea_popescu;custom metallization of cortex arm ? 1823396;1528762808;asciilifeform;this one is something like a xilinx but with metal rom instead of the usual LUT rom. 1823397;1528762822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is a pestilentially-common product; arm co licenses the .verilog 1823398;1528762830;mircea_popescu;"the thing they'll do for you if you buy 100k" ? 1823399;1528762832;asciilifeform;and you stuff it into a fpga with a couplae custom periphs 1823400;1528762835;asciilifeform;right. 1823401;1528762846;asciilifeform;i found the custom periph btw, or at least 1 of them 1823402;1528762857;asciilifeform;it's the usb tty 1823403;1528762872;asciilifeform;the tpm bullshit doesn't seem to use much (or any) custom logic, the crypto is in the c src 1823404;1528762925;mircea_popescu;cheaper that way 1823405;1528762963;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/hw_regdefs.h << register list ( warning: coupla MB ! ) 1823406;1528762976;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822805 << wait, wairt, you got that ?! 1823407;1528762976;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 19:52 asciilifeform: thus far i know how to cut power to it, and this suffices for my purpose 1823408;1528762990;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yep. but see the caveat in $thread. 1823409;1528763025;mircea_popescu;wait, this is major. 1823410;1528763042;asciilifeform;aside from that, this is almost the perfect mircea_popescu lappy in this one respect : the 802.11 card is on own little dildo corner of pcb, you could prolly remove it with a saw. 1823411;1528763046;asciilifeform;and have the box still run. 1823412;1528763055;asciilifeform;see the pcb photos from earlier today. 1823413;1528763056;mircea_popescu;heh 1823414;1528763068;mircea_popescu;so major progress after all ? 1823415;1528763074;asciilifeform;not on cr50 1823416;1528763088;asciilifeform;the rest of the box is pretty simple matter, in comparison 1823417;1528763107;asciilifeform;( rk3399 is a bog-standard rockchip, very similar to the one in pizarro pilot plant, but with 6 cores instead of 4 ) 1823418;1528763111;mircea_popescu;wait, wait. did you get the power or didn't you ? what are we talking about here ? 1823419;1528763159;asciilifeform;as in , did physically test yet ? nope 1823420;1528763163;asciilifeform;just found the wire. 1823421;1528763193;mircea_popescu;but your objection to "just hammer the damned thing off the board" was "won't be able to power up, controls the 3v line". and now you found bypass ? 1823422;1528763200;asciilifeform;WIRELESS_GPIO_WLAN_POWER in vendor's turd. 1823423;1528763212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we're talking about different chips 1823424;1528763219;mircea_popescu;mmmm 1823425;1528763230;asciilifeform;hammer objection was in re cr50, this massive toad that sits in the middle of the board b/w errything and damn near errything else 1823426;1528763248;asciilifeform;wireless is the little iron shielded box in the corner, the thing 1 of the earlier folx referred to as 'm2' 1823427;1528763270;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/mb_top.jpg << in far upper right. 1823428;1528763278;mircea_popescu;alright. 1823429;1528763278;asciilifeform;with the black sma cable. 1823430;1528763281;mircea_popescu;i got excited. 1823431;1528763286;asciilifeform;lol 1823432;1528763328;mircea_popescu;this log is painful to fucking read. 1823433;1528763333;asciilifeform;it is, innit 1823434;1528763342;*;mircea_popescu is tempted to ask this tard to not show up again. 1823435;1528763353;asciilifeform;i have hard time picturing him showing up again 1823436;1528763388;asciilifeform;either him or the other 'tpm is good for you' d00d 1823437;1528763493;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823343 << picture this, monkey man actually thought asciilifeform is a neet , satisfied with idea of hand-diddling 1 quasi-working,opensores-style box 1823438;1528763493;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 23:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822645 << this is retarded. 1823439;1528763503;asciilifeform;'look ma i have linuxbios' 1823440;1528763528;mircea_popescu;i need a unicode for the new york jew handwave. 1823441;1528763538;mircea_popescu;*baaaaah* 1823442;1528763569;BingoBoingo; i need a unicode for the new york jew handwave. << Gaza http://qntra.net/2018/06/israeli-knesset-quietly-disqualifies-equality-bill-maintain-the-jewish-majority-even-if-it-violates-rights/ 1823443;1528763614;mircea_popescu;lol 1823444;1528763625;BingoBoingo;| << Pictogram 1823445;1528763653;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823338 << they have a 'seekoority is what comes in ssl bottle, it's how we seekoore our tor darkmarketrons' idiocy stack baked into their hindbrains 1823446;1528763653;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 23:36 danielpbarron: i once triggered a guy to the point of thinking he might have his first fist fight, over anti-ssl, till his friend dragged him away 1823447;1528763658;asciilifeform;generally speaking incurably 1823448;1528763681;mircea_popescu;i dunno all that much work was put into curing. 1823449;1528763682;asciilifeform;because multilayer psychosis ultimately rooted in 'mother will provide me with what to suckle' wedge. 1823450;1528763690;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1823451;1528763703;asciilifeform;cure, if indeed possible, has to begin there. 1823452;1528763708;asciilifeform;far even from computer. 1823453;1528763748;asciilifeform;what is 'pki'ism even, if not 'from ur-mother will the blessed milk flow down' 1823454;1528763775;Mocky;i was into tor, dark markets. now cured 1823455;1528763809;danielpbarron;i didn't have time to explain. he triggered quickly 1823456;1528763820;mircea_popescu;Mocky, what did it ? 1823457;1528763827;asciilifeform;Mocky: we had a fella coupla yrs ago, Framedragger, who struggled with the disease and in the end relapsed. 1823458;1528763850;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, just because disappeared does not in fact mean relapsed. 1823459;1528763856;asciilifeform;hard to say for certain. 1823460;1528763861;asciilifeform;i suspect strongly -- relapsed. 1823461;1528763868;Mocky;was cured first time i saw 'yeah this dns exploit reveals everything' immediately saw whole things as crock of shit 1823462;1528763878;danielpbarron;it's a common reaction from those who know they aren't in the know to those who think they are, that my perscsription is bunk 1823463;1528763896;mircea_popescu;Mocky, could we then say there was nothing there to cure in the first place ? 1823464;1528763940;Mocky;i suppose idiocy not baked into hindbrain 1823465;1528763961;mircea_popescu;this is the problem. education only ever succeds on some and never on others, in which case what sort of technology is it, really. 1823466;1528763980;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't be impressed with gravel mill that only milled some gravels. 1823467;1528763986;mircea_popescu;nor would i call it a gravel mill. 1823468;1528764029;asciilifeform;depends what means 'some', neh. if it handily spits out diamonds, say... 1823469;1528764044;Mocky;unless sorting is part of 'education succeeds' 1823470;1528764047;mircea_popescu;just because it's useful dun mean it's a tech. 1823471;1528764055;asciilifeform;Mocky: it's the ~only part. 1823472;1528764060;mircea_popescu;Mocky, but classification and engineering are distinct vocations. 1823473;1528764087;asciilifeform;all engineering begins with classification. ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-19#1377640 ) 1823474;1528764087;a111;Logged on 2016-01-19 21:55 ascii_butugychag: the whole point of engineering is to cut apart the happenstance-linked crud from what you actually want. 1823475;1528764096;mircea_popescu;true. 1823476;1528764109;mircea_popescu;and all medicine with washing. washing, still not medicine. 1823477;1528764116;asciilifeform;sure 1823478;1528764121;mircea_popescu;hence http://trilema.com/2014/modern-medicine-and-the-benefits-of-democracy/ 1823479;1528764124;BingoBoingo; i suppose idiocy not baked into hindbrain << What you described happening to you was light coming on in a dark place letting you see. It is an absence phenonmenon. Nothing inherently bad. 1823480;1528764139;BingoBoingo;The redditards have a pathology. A presence of something anti-useful 1823481;1528764142;asciilifeform;washing aint fine culinary art, either, but picture cook who does not wash instruments. 1823482;1528764170;asciilifeform;( not necessarily with own hands, but at all ) 1823483;1528764200;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, even that much is not clear. 1823484;1528764212;mircea_popescu;dog that doesn't learn speech doesn't so much have a pathology as a dogology. 1823485;1528764247;BingoBoingo;Plenty of dogs understand speech even if they suck at generating it 1823486;1528764281;BingoBoingo;Dogology is having a different set of dog lights 1823487;1528764313;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823362 << i was never able to arise myself to visit this lulzfest, and now beginning to think that i didn't miss much 1823488;1528764313;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 23:54 danielpbarron: they have some app exibitors can use to promote where they'll be and what they are serving (i reserved a vendor campsite specifically for the purpose of provoking conversation about the Bible) -- i also mention in my "profile" that i'm a lord in the most serene republic of Bitcoin, which mysteriously gets removed. I add it again, removed again. They apparently don't mind a religious "cult" but not 1823489;1528764326;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50 1823490;1528764327;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1823491;1528764336;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, unless you're looking for confused teeny cunt, you never miss much by missing the congregations of confused teeny cunt. 1823492;1528764347;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50: lemme guess, clicked on link by accident ? 1823493;1528764354;asciilifeform;ha. 1823494;1528764371;mircea_popescu;ok, i'm skipping the rest of this swiftgeek barf, it's indigestible. 1823495;1528764397;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform, unless you're looking for confused teeny cunt, you never miss much by missing the congregations of confused teeny cunt. << And for that alf needs to do Uruguay delivery runs during the summer. 1823496;1528764401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can cut to the verdict, if you like, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823215 . 1823497;1528764401;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 21:40 asciilifeform: in one ear and out the other, apparently . 1823498;1528764492;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823026 << this sort of statement would be so much more useful/important/noteworthy/actually existent if it came in the form of "i'm the guy from $X, long term so and so". where $X doesn't have to be a "our words are backed by nuclear weapons" state. can even be a blog. a dogshed. SOMETHING. but something specifically and identifiably existent. 1823499;1528764492;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 20:42 hl`: I'm a longtime owner-control advocate. 1823500;1528764498;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, you certainly missed 0. it was only fun for me for as long as there were easy drugs and poker, and now going forward, because they will let me openly preach along side Darwin Fish 1823501;1528764518;mircea_popescu;because otherwise, really, the thing you "identify as" at parties bears no meaning and no interest, for us as for the chicks that don't come with you to your records collection. 1823502;1528764540;asciilifeform;i was thinking also, 'advocate' where, in local bierhaus ? 1823503;1528764552;mircea_popescu;we don't get to know, do we. 1823504;1528764555;asciilifeform;apparentlynot 1823505;1528764565;danielpbarron;i don't think they could have turned me down even if my aim was to represent the republic tho. 700 USD or whatever for a vendor spot. 1823506;1528764596;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron, if you represent the republic, do me a favour and hire a half dozen strippers to be mostly naked, will you. 1823507;1528764605;danielpbarron;can't do that 1823508;1528764611;BingoBoingo;Why? 1823509;1528764612;mircea_popescu;none of this "bitcoin embassy" buncha pasty ass bois bitpay's been doing 1823510;1528764633;danielpbarron;they probably have a free spot left -- the rest of you are welcome to try 1823511;1528764656;danielpbarron;i cannot personally be responsible for such a thing 1823512;1528764702;mircea_popescu;what, hiring strippers ? 1823513;1528764711;danielpbarron;yes that 1823514;1528764733;mircea_popescu;i didn't sday hookers, did i ? don't tell me nudity is ungodly ?! 1823515;1528764757;danielpbarron;i can't tell you that 1823516;1528764762;mircea_popescu;if god wanted people dressed he'd have made them that way. 1823517;1528764795;BingoBoingo; if god wanted people dressed he'd have made them that way. << You forget the Mayogendered. Dressed in yeast 1823518;1528764811;mircea_popescu;fermentationclad! 1823519;1528764829;danielpbarron;there are prohibitions against nudity, but they pertain to family relations 1823520;1528764838;Mocky;hire strippers and dress them in fig leaves 1823521;1528764862;danielpbarron;nontheless, it would offend my brothers and sisters to do such a thing 1823522;1528764885;mircea_popescu;ahahaha epic idea! 1823523;1528764903;Mocky;have em share an apple 1823524;1528764927;danielpbarron;(the fruit of the knowledge of good an evil was never descsribed as being an apple) 1823525;1528764934;mircea_popescu;grow the apple in the shape of a bitcoin... 1823526;1528764956;Mocky;danielpbarron, i've spoken those words so many times, lol 1823527;1528764964;Mocky;now i just make apple jokes 1823528;1528764966;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron, it's mostly a medieval conceit. had to display it as something. you ever saw the dog-like elephant i linked once ? 1823529;1528764975;BingoBoingo; nontheless, it would offend my brothers and sisters to do such a thing << Come to Uruguay. Live here six months. Hire girls you would have though good looking when you arrived, but because of their deep cultural failings you now view as well dressed more fuckable goats. 1823530;1528764981;danielpbarron;probably but i don't remember 1823531;1528764997;mircea_popescu;medieval minds gave a lot of funny coats to things. 1823532;1528765010;BingoBoingo;Swedish lions 1823533;1528765026;asciilifeform;!#s sea bishop 1823534;1528765026;a111;0 results for "sea bishop", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sea%20bishop 1823535;1528765028;asciilifeform;hmm 1823536;1528765102;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823103 << even worse if they have usg's rsa keys in them. 1823537;1528765102;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 21:01 hl`: not really trustworthy if they have non-free firmware on them, but theoretically they have a use case 1823538;1528765119;asciilifeform;( 'sea bishop' lives in 16th c. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537294 ) 1823539;1528765119;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 16:03 asciilifeform: pretty lulzy, motherfucking 16TH CENTURY b00k, is NOWHERE on the net. 1823540;1528765134;asciilifeform;ambroise pare. 1823541;1528765135;danielpbarron;i've seen and met plenty of good looking but am no stranger to later learning they are no good, but in my case because of lack of belief 1823542;1528765188;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: This isn't lack of belief in their heads so much as lack of life 1823543;1528765214;danielpbarron;same to me 1823544;1528765440;BingoBoingo;I suspect the level of human dysfunction we are encountering is different. Thankfully my problem is alleviated by saner girls importing themselves here from Northern South America because "land of opportunity" 1823545;1528765464;BingoBoingo;And if that well ever went dry here, going full Pashtun is always an option 1823546;1528765536;BingoBoingo;Sleep in the hills with blanket, kalash, and a local goat-girl 1823547;1528765585;mircea_popescu;lmao 1823548;1528765589;mod6;evenin' 1823549;1528765603;*;mod6 catches up 1823550;1528765657;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1823551;1528765670;danielpbarron;hi mod6 1823552;1528765679;BingoBoingo;Welcome back mod6 1823553;1528765734;Mocky;BingoBoingo, what's full pashtun? 1823554;1528765737;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823317 << the tiny furry bastard. has a whole greeting protocol, consistent vocalizations, says his name by way of butthole display. worlds beyond what these derps consider communication when they arrive. 1823555;1528765737;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 23:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822571 << are we talking, bipedal or quadripedal ? 1823556;1528765755;mircea_popescu;o.O 1823557;1528765764;mircea_popescu;this is a pretty cool cat, tbh. 1823558;1528765769;asciilifeform;verily 1823559;1528765781;asciilifeform;i have 1 of these here ( well, a part-timer ) 1823560;1528765796;asciilifeform;also has handshake protocol. 1823561;1528765811;BingoBoingo;Mocky: The simple life of freedom visible in certain tribes. 1823562;1528765827;BingoBoingo;It's one way to go nativ 1823563;1528765865;BingoBoingo;You can also go full Teuton, full eskimo 1823564;1528765909;mircea_popescu;!!up dw 1823565;1528765910;deedbot;dw voiced for 30 minutes. 1823566;1528765931;mircea_popescu;Mocky, pashtun is this word for tribesmen inhabiting the place empires go to die (afghanistan) 1823567;1528766102;BingoBoingo;It however is impossible to go "full Charrúa" because they Uruguayos of all people genocided them under General Fructuoso Rivera before mass immigration of Italian trashpeople ruined Cisplatine culture 1823568;1528766309;asciilifeform;bahahaha i found the factory test mode pin 1823569;1528766320;mircea_popescu;ya! 1823570;1528766327;asciilifeform;well at least in theory 1823571;1528766329;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592658 1823572;1528766329;a111;Logged on 2016-12-29 18:40 asciilifeform: not everybody wants to be involved with mega-empires, on the giving or on the receiving end. in that light, the pashtun mountains are every bit a 'high-tech' deterrent as a SAM battery. 1823573;1528766337;asciilifeform;still gotta physically get ~to~ it 1823574;1528766354;asciilifeform;https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/board/cr50/board.c#1453 << subj, ftr 1823575;1528766386;mircea_popescu;holy shit this mgiht be the most infuriating log since we're logging. 1823576;1528766406;*;mircea_popescu now understands what alf feels when coming to machine after n hours of mp entertaining idiots. 1823577;1528766436;asciilifeform;verily it goes beyond, aha, 'entomological interest' and into 'plague of locusts' 1823578;1528766443;Mocky;worse that when it was raining trucker tits?? 1823579;1528766515;trinque;tell you what, those trucker tits tightened my txn-hucking loop into the minutes scale. can't even complain. 1823580;1528766551;BingoBoingo; worse that when it was raining trucker tits?? << That wasn't so bad. I got to listen to alf complain about that with my ears in real time. 1823581;1528767418;mircea_popescu;Mocky, somehow i didn't mind that so much. 1823582;1528767535;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50 1823583;1528767536;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1823584;1528767536;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823228 << i believe this is more like it. 1823585;1528767536;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 22:06 BingoBoingo: that, or to repeat the "common" process they are sure gets done all the time. 1823586;1528767552;Mocky;"Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. Ya get a sense of it and then you look away." 1823587;1528767554;mircea_popescu;if you go hang out on highschool campus, a very infuriating process of cockteasing may well be the norm. 1823588;1528767576;mircea_popescu;Mocky, you should have seen what mah escort was wearing today. 1823589;1528767581;mircea_popescu;lotta drool everywhere. 1823590;1528767650;Mocky;speaking of drool, i saw a moron at the gym today balancing a water bottle on his head while chatting up a chic. almost got a pic 1823591;1528767788;mircea_popescu;not a bad trick... 1823592;1528767808;mircea_popescu;saw an old woman balancing a sack on her head while looking in a shop window. ~split the diff ? 1823593;1528767956;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823258 << yeah, this "i'll live on my own terms" bs is pretty fucking outrageous, isn't it. 1823594;1528767956;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 22:32 asciilifeform: it'd be one thing if, say, google dev showed up and 'yes i'ma pgp to mircea_popescu the magic key', or even 'here's the schem'. but nooo, instead they come to 'explain' to us how 'tpm can be used to benefit you' . 1823595;1528767979;asciilifeform;sooo apparently we want to pull ~up~ pin B4, which is 'pin 10 of port 0' , wherever the fuck that physically is. 1823596;1528767999;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823266 << i've seen it also ; it's something else. 1823597;1528767999;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 22:36 asciilifeform: they're exactly like eichmann, perfect little marvels of industrious compartmental schizoid 1823598;1528768026;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i don't expect pulling up all the pins one at a time will brick the machine, do you ? 1823599;1528768046;asciilifeform;academic, there's no simple way to get to most of'em 1823600;1528768060;asciilifeform;but somehow i suspect that 'b4' is one of the pads. 1823601;1528768080;asciilifeform;( either that or it's a sad and unrouted ball entirely ) 1823602;1528768089;asciilifeform;and can then only be reached with drill 1823603;1528768120;mircea_popescu;maybe a low power xray shot would actually be worth it, see if there's any lone balls. 1823604;1528768127;mircea_popescu;and any way to drill to them cleanly 1823605;1528768138;asciilifeform;ther's a pulldown enabled on it, so that will give basic litmus re whether we found 1823606;1528768148;mircea_popescu;even better. 1823607;1528768153;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why do you suppose i asked for xray, lol, earlier today. 1823608;1528768166;mircea_popescu;i suspected something like this. but now i see it. 1823609;1528768172;asciilifeform;eh drilling cleanly is 'easy', ever seen the tool, clockmaker's drill 1823610;1528768182;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, only if you know which way to go. 1823611;1528768188;asciilifeform;no motor, nuffing, just picture little screwdriver with drill tip. 1823612;1528768194;mircea_popescu;aha. 1823613;1528768195;asciilifeform;and yes. 1823614;1528768320;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823278 << same old http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#selection-47.1-47.53 problem. 1823615;1528768320;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 22:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i still find it lulzy how google apparently banked on nobody outside of their heathen pit getting hold of the fucking debug hose. 1823616;1528768337;mircea_popescu;there's enough material here to make 15 usg."tech" "task forces". 1823617;1528768350;mircea_popescu;most of the extant ones consist of a subunitary mancount. 1823618;1528768472;asciilifeform;in disappointing noose, no soft zap -- include/tpm_vendor_cmds.h: VENDOR_CC_RESET_FACTORY = 38 cmd dunwork, result is extension_route_command: handler 22 not found , they closed the hole ( detain in https://archive.li/pEWsr ) 1823619;1528768497;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1823620;1528768509;asciilifeform;unrelated to the b4 pin thing 1823621;1528768537;asciilifeform;this was the 'soft' reset-to-factory , at some point presumably worked ( their 'gsctool' thing, supports sending it ) 1823622;1528768564;asciilifeform;originally this made you pull out the battery to prove that you opened the box, etc. 1823623;1528768583;asciilifeform;then they pulled the bait-and-switch and properly shat on the 'owner can cleanse' conceit. 1823624;1528768625;asciilifeform;( homo redditicus still thinks 'hey i own the box' because pulling battery lets you rewrite the cpu's boot rom ) 1823625;1528768634;asciilifeform;for now that part worx 1823626;1528768698;asciilifeform;and while we're at it, vendor cmd 34 (open ccd) also dead 1823627;1528768814;mircea_popescu;tbh i find this entire "can't turn off" bs as the originating quanta of offense. 1823628;1528768849;mircea_popescu;no ownership interest in any machine that has always-on components can be said to ever transfer, or in any other way vest in anyone besides the manufacturer. 1823629;1528768855;asciilifeform;( when same cmd send via slave spi -- cr50 uart spews forth 'CCD is disabled in this image' . yep, disabled until usg key signs 'upgrade', verily ) 1823630;1528768879;mircea_popescu;my slaves are my slaves because i can kill them whenever i feel like ; and my computers my computers because i can turn them off. 1823631;1528768896;asciilifeform;well can turn whole thing off, but solely by discharging or pulling the battery 1823632;1528768910;asciilifeform;and the drm crapola of course picks up where it left off, it writes to flash 1823633;1528769401;asciilifeform;soo, 'gpioget' cmd : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A7OwA/?raw=true << worx and reports voltages of named gpio matrix pins 1823634;1528769410;asciilifeform;incl 'DIOB4' 1823635;1528769434;asciilifeform;( as can be seen in the paste, shows '0' ) 1823636;1528769477;asciilifeform;for extra lulz, this box is ~off~ presently, while i talk to its cr50 1823637;1528769501;asciilifeform;1 battery charge can run cr50 for coupla wks, seems like 1823638;1528769520;asciilifeform;( they clocked it waaay down, it runs at something like 16Mhz ) 1823639;1528771303;mircea_popescu;this is pretty reasonable. doesn't have to be fast 1823640;1528771597;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> this log is painful to fucking read. << indeed 1823641;1528771614;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ok, i'm skipping the rest of this swiftgeek barf, it's indigestible. << i sloged through it :D 1823642;1528771624;mircea_popescu;anything good ? 1823643;1528771703;mircea_popescu;in other lulz / other dead things, https://www.shoemoney.com/ completely forgotten. nobody gives a shiot even about his cheapass bitcoin bait. 1823644;1528771705;mod6; <+BingoBoingo> if god wanted people dressed he'd have made them that way. << You forget the Mayogendered. Dressed in yeast << lol 1823645;1528771753;mod6;dafaq 1823646;1528771768;mod6;that was supposed to be 2 lines, my bad 1823647;1528771901;mod6; <+mircea_popescu> holy shit this mgiht be the most infuriating log since we're logging. << it's up there 1823648;1528771985;asciilifeform;aaand i found the maker 1823649;1528771988;asciilifeform;TSMC 1823650;1528772057;asciilifeform;( taiwan semiconductor manuf. co. ltd. ) 1823651;1528772061;mod6;! 1823652;1528772064;mod6;nice 1823653;1528772072;asciilifeform;dun do much, tho 1823654;1528772074;mod6;and i finally digested this turdbag of a log 1823655;1528772117;asciilifeform;i mean, they're world's largest , supposedly, foundry. 1823656;1528772131;asciilifeform;so this doesn't exactly narrow down what the base fpga was. 1823657;1528772224;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> anything good ? << not really, mildly entertaining watching alf NOT lose his shit talking to guy for who knows how long. 1823658;1528772597;Mocky;ahahaha shoemoney and his mfa check for $130k made out to 'nextpimp', man what a decade 1823659;1528775144;asciilifeform;soo they ~did~ put oddball crypto logic in the fpga, e.g. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/dcrypto/dcrypto_runtime.c#40 drives it 1823660;1528775171;asciilifeform;seems to have various nonsensical noise countermeasures against timing sidechannel, etc 1823661;1528775186;asciilifeform;'inserter of random nops' and the like. 1823662;1528775520;asciilifeform;loox like this part only does hashing and aes 1823663;1528775529;asciilifeform;rsa, ecc still 'in software' 1823664;1528778301;lobbes;!!up fromloper 1823665;1528778302;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1823666;1528780809;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it's the obvious vuln 1823667;1528784401;mircea_popescu;!!up epony 1823668;1528784402;deedbot;epony voiced for 30 minutes. 1823669;1528784448;epony;oh thanks 1823670;1528784462;mircea_popescu;who might you be ? 1823671;1528784474;epony;a person, reading the blog at loper.. 1823672;1528784495;epony;not previously known 1823673;1528784555;mircea_popescu;i can tell you'll be real popular here. 1823674;1528784570;epony;not really 1823675;1528805749;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/073-prikoke.html << The Tar Pit - The story of Prikoke 1823676;1528808332;asciilifeform;!!up apt-get 1823677;1528808333;deedbot;apt-get voiced for 30 minutes. 1823678;1528808337;asciilifeform;!!up xdeller_ 1823679;1528808338;deedbot;xdeller_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1823680;1528808343;asciilifeform;!!up fitzsim 1823681;1528808343;deedbot;fitzsim voiced for 30 minutes. 1823682;1528811410;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the cr50 swine pits, https://archive.li/l2Env 1823683;1528811491;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50 1823684;1528811491;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1823685;1528811503;asciilifeform;lol 1823686;1528812147;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50 1823687;1528812148;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1823688;1528812176;asciilifeform;aite from nao on they only get voice if they ask, politely. 1823689;1528812202;asciilifeform;fucking insects. 1823690;1528812395;mircea_popescu;i thought you were having fun! 1823691;1528812416;asciilifeform;with the connect/disconnect subhumans?! 1823692;1528812437;mircea_popescu;how could you not be happy your article was popular!!! didn't it get a lot of visitors ?!?!?! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 ?! 1823693;1528812437;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal 1823694;1528812446;asciilifeform;lol. 1823695;1528812458;mircea_popescu;who could have predicted getting a large number of morons that can't figure out ip addressing isn't worth anyone's time ?!?!!? 1823696;1528812480;mircea_popescu;IF NORMAL PEOPLE DIDN'T READ LOPER YOU WOULD NOT BE ACCOMPLISHING YOUR GOAL!!11 1823697;1528812541;asciilifeform;fughet 'normal people', idea was possibly the asexuate google devs have defector in the ranks 1823698;1528812545;asciilifeform;but admittedly tall order. 1823699;1528812601;mircea_popescu;nah, the problem is that it consists of amstan orcs by mass. they're so enamoured with what the mud-toed grandmother back in rural orcistan thinks about "grandson works at google", they'll defect after the anal rape, maybe. 1823700;1528812636;asciilifeform;btw on reread of the sores, raising the b4 pin is not expected to do anything productive, it merely sets the port config to the same default state the three 0 strapping pins already set it to in my box 1823701;1528812639;mircea_popescu;you realise there's still idiots in rural kuban / albania / we keeping in ancient closets receipts from the local MMMs ? 1823702;1528812645;asciilifeform;prolly 1823703;1528812660;mircea_popescu;same exact fucking thing, we'll have long buried alphabet and they'll still have hidden under dirty mattresses "certificates of achievement" 1823704;1528812673;mircea_popescu;heck, idiots had medals from the tsar long after 1920. 1823705;1528812689;asciilifeform;this tsar is still making payroll, last i heard 1823706;1528812690;mircea_popescu;last thing normie muppet will do, no matter what, is admit he was a normie muppet. 1823707;1528812707;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, really ? because last i heard, from tu quoque no less, he... wasn't making payroll. 1823708;1528812712;asciilifeform;google? 1823709;1528812748;mircea_popescu;yes. 1823710;1528812765;asciilifeform;they have these slaves, they work for food and roof, etc. and they aint dead yet, corpses can't post disinfo in forums etc. so ergo they still make payroll.. 1823711;1528812769;mircea_popescu;mr "oh i don't wanna work for google to pay 5x in rent what their salary is". or we dun remember that now ? 1823712;1528812791;asciilifeform;well i dun want to work at foxconn either, lol 1823713;1528812797;asciilifeform;but foxconn is still 'somehow' in biznis 1823714;1528812798;mircea_popescu;the notion that corpses put disinfo on forums because google pays them to is not unlike the notion idiot chinese teenager spams because the sinospam conspiraci pays him to. 1823715;1528812813;mircea_popescu;they don't need to be paid, that's what an idiot is. who pays the wind to pull down your barn ? 1823716;1528812834;mircea_popescu;review that excellent harlan whine. where is it. 1823717;1528812860;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-02#655357 << there. 1823718;1528812860;a111;Logged on 2014-05-02 12:35 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE << here's the real story. 1823719;1528812893;mircea_popescu;"what is mgm, with a patch on the eye on the corner begging for nickles ? they repackage free shit idiots gave them in the hopes of '''making name for selves''' and pretend like they;re in business" 1823720;1528812898;asciilifeform;btw lulzy, https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+log << work log (includes all 3 firmwares) 1823721;1528812932;asciilifeform;and such gems as 'make code build with gcc 8.1' 1823722;1528812934;mircea_popescu;that's 100% what the shitstack is ; and i bet you amstan for instance is in shock over there in his silent dounce corner, "omfg, these people are impressed ~negatively~ with my political committments ?!?!?! they despisew me ?!!??! how could this be omfg" 1823723;1528812956;asciilifeform;i doubt that he has any political thought process at all 1823724;1528812963;asciilifeform;does amoeba ? 1823725;1528812968;asciilifeform;or simply swims to where the food is. 1823726;1528812975;mircea_popescu;socrates says, not can has no political thought. 1823727;1528812987;mircea_popescu;and yes, amoeba is staunchly republican. no pantsuit amoeba available. 1823728;1528812998;mircea_popescu;perversity only starts from a certain brainbox cubage onwards. 1823729;1528813017;asciilifeform;for the folx 'worth weight in pig carcass', pantsuit is where the food is. 1823730;1528813024;asciilifeform;so they swim. 1823731;1528813036;mircea_popescu;this is a tenuous point. 1823732;1528813040;mircea_popescu;but, maybe. 1823733;1528813114;asciilifeform;orc, who oughta be selling cigarettes out of a suitcase at the sunday market , instead taking home google payola, etc 1823734;1528813136;mircea_popescu;it's unclear this is the case. 1823735;1528813154;mircea_popescu;seems more often "orc, who could have been lord, instead sells cigs out of a suitcase". 1823736;1528813170;asciilifeform;these also. 1823737;1528813176;asciilifeform;they exist in parallel. 1823738;1528813204;mircea_popescu;it's not clear to me google much hires your type, unless they're mamies. 1823739;1528813216;mircea_popescu;young orc male generally my type ; but anyway. 1823740;1528813245;asciilifeform;well tbh i dun know the amstan d00d at all, can't say precisely whose type 1823741;1528813265;asciilifeform;can only suspect, that he's 'miami-seeking' type. 1823742;1528813288;mircea_popescu;i'm just going by the stereotype. he dun look like jackie brown, he's not enjoying a +ev situation with usg.whatever. 1823743;1528813297;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822354 << updated, but mp-wp_comments-fix also requires an updated. right now it's showing missing antecedents.. 1823744;1528813297;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 02:48 hanbot: ^ phf please to update, apologies for the hassle. 1823745;1528813305;*;asciilifeform brb,tea 1823746;1528813330;mircea_popescu;phf, looked to me like a regrind (patrch got absorbed) 1823747;1528813381;phf;oh that was the idea, kk 1823748;1528813418;mircea_popescu;not even a bad way to do all this, avoid confusion. 1823749;1528814521;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, btw, do you want to see what to my eyes became epitomical "get this to compile with gcc 8.1" code ? 1823750;1528814547;phf;(to clarify for logs, mp-wp patchset now, correctly, has reground mp-wp_genesis only) 1823751;1528814563;mircea_popescu;it'll make your eyes water. 1823752;1528814584;mircea_popescu;btw how's lyf treatin ya phf ? 1823753;1528814749;phf;it's good. i went up to new paltz (upstate new york) for rock climbing and to see an old friend. 1823754;1528814826;mircea_popescu;visiting the remnants of ye olde jew empire huh. 1823755;1528814871;phf;they do have a lot of beautiful land 1823756;1528814891;mircea_popescu;paltz, for the curious, is idish for the german palatinate. 1823757;1528814899;mircea_popescu;ie, previous lordship. 1823758;1528814979;phf;my friend, whose father is a professor of divinity, was eager to inform me that the village was founded by huguenots 1823759;1528815015;phf;of course these days it's just a generic american smalltown 1823760;1528815164;phf;it's a beautiful area, an hour and a half train ride from manhattan along hudson, into the mountains, views of catskills 1823761;1528815275;mircea_popescu;this may even be true. the exact meaning of "huguenot" in the period, much like "protestant" etc, is a lot more diverse than contemporaries (like to) think. 1823762;1528815318;mircea_popescu;but the notion of french huguenots speaking plattdeustch... 1823763;1528815332;mircea_popescu;there's this joke in romania that "if you hear a hungarian speaking foreing languages you're looking at a jew". 1823764;1528815368;mircea_popescu;(plattdeutsch is how you get from pfalz to paltz ; very similar to how idish works... or rather worked, it's pretty much dead.) 1823765;1528815404;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823749 << i'll bite. what was it 1823766;1528815404;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 14:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, btw, do you want to see what to my eyes became epitomical "get this to compile with gcc 8.1" code ? 1823767;1528815577;phf;mircea_popescu: that as always makes a lot of sense. i knew that the original was an area in germany, but i didn't give much further thought to the obvious modification 1823768;1528815637;asciilifeform;revisiting upstack -- currently asciilifeform has 0 useful leads whatsoever on cr50 ( finished archaeological dig through the published src, found no obvious hole , yet ) 1823769;1528815936;asciilifeform;https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/commit/de007979d37e2ad1ba7354df55fb267d858d5028#diff-1145f263256c923716d2b8eade2f6689 1823770;1528815937;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, look at the barf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/niDUM/?raw=true / http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HZcNV/?raw=true etc ; then look at the routines in which it ends up looping infinitely. then try and say why. 1823771;1528815993;mircea_popescu;phf, linguistics and phonetics is a major solvent for post-medieval mysteries. in some cases even earlier. a lot hinges on what kind of attic or aeolian or whatever other obscure way to say o and u someone employed. 1823772;1528816031;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loox like some sort of nonsense with 'smart pointers' ? 1823773;1528816086;mircea_popescu;also, pfalz is not per se an area in germany ; it's a bunch of areas. originally [holders of] palatine lands elected the emperor, so it's really akin to saying portland-tmsr and seattle-tmsr. tmsr isn't a plage, it's a designation. 1823774;1528816094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, 8 layers of smartness. 1823775;1528816112;mircea_popescu;literally nobody knows how it works. 1823776;1528816131;mircea_popescu;i have half a mind to somehow extract it for display 1823777;1528816136;mircea_popescu;the only problem is... i don't actually know how. 1823778;1528816333;mircea_popescu;in any case it's very much "this is what foss is", a token and an icon. 1823779;1528816382;mircea_popescu;the modern equivalent of those medievally fixed timepieces, compensated, recompensated and re-recompensated until the count of moving parts exceeded the "engineer's" capacity to count. 1823780;1528816392;mod6;mornin' 1823781;1528816399;mircea_popescu;heya. 1823782;1528816404;asciilifeform;cpp specifically attracts the worst of the worst, in re complexity cancer, this was obvious long enuff ago that naggum noted it 1823783;1528816416;mircea_popescu;sadly. 1823784;1528816447;asciilifeform;the only reason it did not spread even farther outside of microshit (yes, the epicenter, despite not being originator) is that cpp projects tend to collapse under own weight too quickly to hit market 1823785;1528816490;mircea_popescu;these idiots (project something or the other, i forget) spent ten years to reach this pinnacle ; and the whole time wondering why their ~server~ can't hold more than five or so people connected. 1823786;1528816503;mircea_popescu;THEN they "moved on to unity". because "it's slicker visually". 1823787;1528817569;mircea_popescu;meamwhile in teh sexuate chambers, https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_man7wlGkMS1rgrl09o1_1280.jpg 1823788;1528817771;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1823789;1528817772;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1823790;1528817853;mircea_popescu;and who might you be, 12th loper_os_cr50 ? 1823791;1528818177;loper_os_cr50;A curious person who is interested in owning my own hardware instead of it pwning me. Found the channel through http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 1823792;1528818237;mircea_popescu;alright. see the topic / read the logs / register a rsa key etc. 1823793;1528818324;mircea_popescu;and in other "only in this country" lulz, i see a dark halfinch long form squrrying under the bottle washer behind the kitchen skin tap. so i'm all, you know if you've ever lived in new york, or buenos aires, or generally a large town, "fuck you, you little bitch" kill! kill! kill! mode. 1823794;1528818356;mircea_popescu;turns out to have been... A FUCKING MOTH. nectar eating night guy. 1823795;1528818386;mircea_popescu;goes right with the "about the size of a... scorpion, with a dangly apendage behind, looking like a ... scorpion tail" girl saw yest... FLYING. 1823796;1528818481;mircea_popescu;oh, also, lest i forget : see alf ? you just don't do the upping correctly, is all. 1823797;1528819118;asciilifeform;lol 1823798;1528819299;asciilifeform;in re cr50 -- if we find which fpga was the basis, it may be possible to craft pad-for-pad replacement for the fritz. 1823799;1528819318;asciilifeform;( if not, still possible, but will cost much, much more , possibly making the whole project -ev ) 1823800;1528819369;mircea_popescu;eh, it's not clear it's worth soldering anything to begin with 1823801;1528819376;asciilifeform;right 1823802;1528819400;asciilifeform;but if can put a $5 fpga in its place, it's a 15 min job. 1823803;1528819414;asciilifeform;incl. unscrewing the case. 1823804;1528819423;mircea_popescu;marginally may work. 1823805;1528819438;mircea_popescu;i suppose you just buy a live-in slavegirl to do the job eventually. 1823806;1528819443;asciilifeform;aha, with caveats (i.e. 1 or 2 in 10 boards will crack and die) 1823807;1528819455;asciilifeform;could prolly be subcontracted out to chinese. 1823808;1528819494;asciilifeform;fwiw the board runs from 20 to 70 bux, on the market 1823809;1528819504;asciilifeform;( for how long, nobody knows ) 1823810;1528819515;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823753 << Aconcagua is only a bus, boat, and bus away from here 1823811;1528819515;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 14:45 phf: it's good. i went up to new paltz (upstate new york) for rock climbing and to see an old friend. 1823812;1528819560;mircea_popescu;meanwhile somewhere else, https://78.media.tumblr.com/e0b61a17bc8de3702a7e1807d3181e7a/tumblr_inline_obpz0xusJg1rhjx1l_500.gif 1823813;1528819660;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the cr50 swine pits, https://archive.li/fftWm 1823814;1528819675;mircea_popescu;i think i like mine better. 1823815;1528819681;mircea_popescu;i mean, it's the same thing, but at least mine got tits. 1823816;1528819713;asciilifeform;lolyes 1823817;1528819738;asciilifeform;that must be what folx mean by 'smoking cock' 1823818;1528819840;asciilifeform;re costs -- can't speak for other folx, but i'd happily pay, say, $1k , for a proper arm64 lappy 1823819;1528819846;asciilifeform;or even 2 1823820;1528819887;asciilifeform;( better yet, ice40 lappy. but 'if wishes were horses' etc ) 1823821;1528819911;mircea_popescu;i haven't identified a use for laptop yet besides "dumbphone replacement for aspiring slavegirls". 1823822;1528819934;asciilifeform;what can i say, i like to work out of doors 1823823;1528819954;asciilifeform;( as does, iirc, phf, and possibly a few other l1 folk ) 1823824;1528819959;mircea_popescu;maybe you're a horse altogether. 1823825;1528819972;asciilifeform;horse, donkey, whichever. 1823826;1528820030;asciilifeform;and rk chipset is , by itself, surprisingly friendly. 1823827;1528820059;asciilifeform;( seems like recent coreboot even abolishes the orig vendor's dram init turd ) 1823828;1528820096;mircea_popescu;they have a replacement ? 1823829;1528820099;asciilifeform;aha 1823830;1528820104;asciilifeform;asciilifeform has not yet tested. 1823831;1528820104;mircea_popescu;this is pretty cool. 1823832;1528820115;mircea_popescu;iirc dram init was a major issue. 1823833;1528820186;asciilifeform;given as rk has no idea which dram a given board maker will want to use, they made the timings settable 1823834;1528820191;asciilifeform;sorta like on pc northbridge 1823835;1528820309;mircea_popescu;not bad. 1823836;1528820414;asciilifeform;it is theoretically possible to turn rk3328-roc-cc ( as in pizarro pilot plant ) into a portable of a kind. one can get miniature hdmi lcd, etc. but there is no convenient way to handle power; it expects 5v, and has no provisions for interrogating battery level, one would have to build something , rather gnarly. 1823837;1528820462;mircea_popescu;regulators aren't expensive. and nothing wrong with 5v from battery either. 1823838;1528820470;mircea_popescu;in fact, higher voltage is arguably better. 1823839;1528820486;asciilifeform;expense is not the issue, but rather the 'how much battery do i have' indicator. 1823840;1528820494;mircea_popescu;but the last thing anyone fucking wants is an even smaller laptop. 1823841;1528820499;asciilifeform;and the board has a linear reg, wastes current. 1823842;1528820504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, that does NOT need to be part of the computer. 1823843;1528820519;mircea_popescu;have a fucking mechanical gauge, steampunk all the way 1823844;1528820529;asciilifeform;dunwork with lithium cells 1823845;1528820534;asciilifeform;sorta why i dislike them 1823846;1528820549;asciilifeform;they output ~constant voltage until dead 1823847;1528820551;*;mircea_popescu is reminded of the suitcases joke 1823848;1528820587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i didn;t mean VOLTMETER. i meant, separate doohickey. 1823849;1528820598;asciilifeform;certainly. 1823850;1528820645;mircea_popescu;heck, some actuallty even have gauge on themselves. i've seen this. it's not expensive or hard to make. 1823851;1528820679;*;asciilifeform had some headaches in BingoBoingostan with x60 lappy (had to bring ~something~ to use for setup) , had to connect from a few places that had no mains, and battery was limiting factor. and x60 is heavy, occupied valuable launch capsule mass ) 1823852;1528820708;asciilifeform;and if i had lost it, would be a bitch to replace 1823853;1528820725;*;mircea_popescu could almost go for a 400 x 450 mm laptop chassis, provided it includes a proper sized kbd. 1823854;1528820804;asciilifeform;pretty much whole trip asciilifeform was thinking 'mmm, if only had c101pa...' 1823855;1528820833;mircea_popescu;Display size: 17.6" × 13.2" = 232.32in² (44.7cm × 33.53cm = 1498.84cm²) at 79.55 PPI, 0.3193mm dot pitch, 6327 PPI² << get a sxga+ in there. 1823856;1528820835;asciilifeform;the old ratty boeing 757s lacked mains plugs too 1823857;1528820938;mircea_popescu;heck, with modern tech you can prolly go >1mn ppi^2. 1823858;1528820960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: display can be sourced, i actually have several 'naked' display here for experiments. the bulk of the headache is the kbd , chassis, power. any way you cut it, chassis becomes a multi-kg monster 'luggable' 1823859;1528820972;mircea_popescu;something like the ipad retina, but in 45/35 rather than bs 15 x 12 cm they got. 1823860;1528820979;asciilifeform;( which , i get, dun matter worth a shit for mircea_popescu's applications. ) 1823861;1528820997;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, there is such a thing as people with cars and pack animals. 1823862;1528821018;asciilifeform;right, and most of the time asciilifeform goes in cars and pack animals also 1823863;1528821036;asciilifeform;but in this particular case had to go in pay-per-kg launcher 1823864;1528821039;mircea_popescu;and moreover, i think it is important to MAKE THIS A DIFFERENTIATION POINT. 1823865;1528821048;mircea_popescu;"no machinery, no slaves, wtf do you want ?" 1823866;1528821092;mircea_popescu;"grandfather's sword won't work for you until you get a horse like your grandmother." 1823867;1528821143;asciilifeform;https://archive.li/Qq2kM << classical mircea_popescu-style laptop. 1823868;1528821207;mircea_popescu;lol. wtf does it come with, the powerplant ? 1823869;1528821215;asciilifeform;pc iron 1823870;1528821226;asciilifeform;you can still get these, apparently. 1823871;1528821244;asciilifeform;( or, if you like carpentry, make... ) 1823872;1528821251;mircea_popescu;lmao. srsly. 1823873;1528821272;asciilifeform;not so great for air travel tho. 1823874;1528824114;ave1;I ordered this one, https://www.pine64.org/?product=rockpro64-4gb-single-board-computer, today. It supports a pcie 4 lane card, so I will try to use it for a desktop replacement. 1823875;1528824366;asciilifeform;ave1: this is a kind of 'plus' version of the pizarro rk, yes 1823876;1528824376;asciilifeform;( costs ~2x ) 1823877;1528824547;ave1;yes, it's the same chip as in the notebook, also cost more (and will be even more with the european import tax added) 1823878;1528824634;ave1;as an aside, I've been readin the google code for the cr50 but I also did not find any obvious holes so far 1823879;1528824639;ave1;reading 1823880;1528824767;asciilifeform;iirc there's another 3399 board, 'firefly' 1823881;1528824786;ave1;the libre computer board is in the pizarro rk? it seems to be 80$ for 4G. This is the same price, for the rockpro64. 1823882;1528824871;asciilifeform;i was never able to locate the 4g ver of the 3328 1823883;1528824882;asciilifeform;the 2g was about fiddybux in small qt 1823884;1528824950;ave1;aha, yes I did not try to order the 4g version (also the 2g version is twice as expensive on the german amazon) 1823885;1528825391;asciilifeform;ave1: the pci slot in 'pro' is nifty 1823886;1528825455;asciilifeform;ave1: this board is potentially good candidate for mircea_popescu-style 'laptop' 1823887;1528825496;asciilifeform;ave1: did you get the sata peripheral also ? 1823888;1528825524;mircea_popescu;moar like backtop, as in https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/22/42/e62242f22f740b99d2206ae187d3eb6d.jpg 1823889;1528825533;asciilifeform;imho main weakness of my rk boards is lack of sata 1823890;1528825543;asciilifeform;lol 1823891;1528825911;ave1;asciilifeform, no I did not get the board, it seems to me a standard pcie x4 slot and cards for these can be easily had locally 1823892;1528825921;asciilifeform;aa 1823893;1528825933;asciilifeform;theoretically normal pc sata board oughta work 1823894;1528825947;asciilifeform;so long as it doesn't carry x86 firmware on board 1823895;1528827728;asciilifeform;!!up yesplease 1823896;1528827729;deedbot;yesplease voiced for 30 minutes. 1823897;1528827731;asciilifeform;yesplease: hello? 1823898;1528827753;mircea_popescu;it's nikki on a trip. 1823899;1528827756;asciilifeform;aaaa 1823900;1528827938;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other behavioural modifications, https://78.media.tumblr.com/6f370a2fda4c06089b490db594ffa4c9/tumblr_ob9uwyrIYI1uri6xho1_400.gif 1823901;1528828649;asciilifeform;in other negative results, small ra-226 isotope capsule had no measurable effect on cr50 . 1823902;1528828685;asciilifeform;possibly chip package includes shielding of some form. 1823903;1528828758;asciilifeform;( imho would be interesting to try hard xray, but currently i dun have with what. ) 1823904;1528829311;*;asciilifeform considers idea of proclaiming a 1 btc prize for a working break of cr50 . any l1 folk interested in contributing to the prize chest , and/or overseeing the refereeing ? 1823905;1528829492;asciilifeform;!!up bastard0 1823906;1528829493;deedbot;bastard0 voiced for 30 minutes. 1823907;1528829497;asciilifeform;bastard0: hello ? 1823908;1528829575;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1823909;1528829632;asciilifeform;hm we dun have a working heathenticker no moar, do we. 1823910;1528829681;asciilifeform;!!up gribble 1823911;1528829682;deedbot;gribble voiced for 30 minutes. 1823912;1528829688;asciilifeform;;;ticker --market all 1823913;1528829696;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6710.85, vol: 7122.16 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 6967.0, vol: 574.76 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6696.8, vol: 20943.68 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 6696.85, vol: 8004.02 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6701.4, vol: 3395.15 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 6702.88, vol: 3265.19 | Volume-weighted last average: 6703.53 1823914;1528829701;asciilifeform;!!down gribble 1823915;1528829987;asciilifeform;hey phf , didja ever get your debug plug going ? 1823916;1528830867;asciilifeform;!!up cnomad 1823917;1528830868;deedbot;cnomad voiced for 30 minutes. 1823918;1528830876;cnomad;hey 1823919;1528830880;asciilifeform;hello? 1823920;1528830888;asciilifeform;cnomad: what brings you to #trilema ? 1823921;1528830892;cnomad;your blog post brought me here 1823922;1528830905;cnomad;was curious 1823923;1528830913;asciilifeform;cnomad: please read the logs -- http://btcbase.org/log/ -- and make use of the search, before asking q 1823924;1528830943;asciilifeform;chances are, it's been answered 1823925;1528830965;cnomad;thanks, no qs at the moment 1823926;1528830978;asciilifeform;cnomad: so what is it you're curious about then 1823927;1528831072;cnomad;I don;t have any _specific_ qs at the moment, but i do some IC and firmware RE. I don't even know what this channel is about before joining 1823928;1528831088;asciilifeform;cnomad: consider reading the chan subj line 1823929;1528831111;cnomad;it's not very clear 1823930;1528831123;cnomad;is this a technical channel or a political or...? 1823931;1528831129;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu , didja hear, apparently it's not clear 1823932;1528831136;asciilifeform;cnomad: a bit of both 1823933;1528831197;asciilifeform;matters technical and political are not in reality separable. 1823934;1528831216;asciilifeform;( or rather, the mistaken notion that they are separable, is promulgated by the great satan. ) 1823935;1528831261;cnomad;yeah 1823936;1528831268;cnomad;you guys have a manifesto or something? 1823937;1528831293;asciilifeform;http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt probably closest thing. 1823938;1528831347;asciilifeform;followed by http://trilema.com/2016/cia-factbook-the-most-serene-republic/ . 1823939;1528831410;asciilifeform;if you stick around until mircea_popescu wakes up, he will elaborate. 1823940;1528831437;asciilifeform;cnomad: meanwhile, tell us a bit about yourself. reverse engineer ? 1823941;1528831461;asciilifeform;for profit ? for sport ? both ? 1823942;1528831536;cnomad;both 1823943;1528831539;cnomad;mostly contracting 1823944;1528831569;asciilifeform;are you interested in / familiar with cr50 in particular ? or heard of it for 1st time from the article 1823945;1528831592;cnomad;currently working on liberating a tl866a programmer, but mostly i do RE and pwning for various security chips 1823946;1528831601;asciilifeform;ha i use tl866 right here 1823947;1528831610;douchebag;Interesting 1823948;1528831616;cnomad;I knew about it before, and when I did it was curious noone wrote about it then 1823949;1528831641;asciilifeform;cnomad: you will probably not be surprised to hear that google doctors its search results. 1823950;1528831656;cnomad;yeah 1823951;1528831660;asciilifeform;so yes, generally you won't hear what they do not want you to hear, if google search if your main source. 1823952;1528831669;cnomad;i don't use google 1823953;1528831681;asciilifeform;hence how you found article, i will guess. good. 1823954;1528831694;asciilifeform;cnomad: please consider registering a pgp key with deedbot : 1823955;1528831695;asciilifeform;!!help 1823956;1528831696;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1823957;1528831710;asciilifeform;cnomad: then i will rate you, and you will be able to speak when there is no one to manually give you voice. 1823958;1528831722;asciilifeform;and you can start developing reputation. 1823959;1528831741;cnomad;i don't want to develop reputation, just wanna say hi and observe 1823960;1528831769;asciilifeform;then you will probably be satisfied with reading the log. typically it takes 6month of reading, to grasp what's going on. 1823961;1528831795;cnomad;ok 1823962;1528831846;asciilifeform;however, if you wish to work with the people here ( and this is where the serious coin lives ) you will want to get in the deedbot wot. 1823963;1528831866;asciilifeform;you do not have to use your meatspace name, or anything of the kind. simply need gpg key, one that you won't lose. 1823964;1528831916;diana_coman;cnomad, do you specifically want to *not* develop a reputation here ? 1823965;1528831973;cnomad;im a go-with-the-flow kinda guy. rep will naturally follow 1823966;1528831981;asciilifeform;it won't, if you ain't in the wot. 1823967;1528831998;asciilifeform;until you are in the wot, 'you' do not exist, it is not difficult to hijack a fleanode nick. 1823968;1528832011;cnomad;i see 1823969;1528832025;asciilifeform;nor will anyone attempt to communicate in confidence with you, without gpg pubkey. 1823970;1528832032;diana_coman;cnomad, precisely; just... it needs a recipient to accumulate in; basically how is anyone to say it's same *you* next time you join? 1823971;1528832078;asciilifeform;so, for example, i am considering declaring a btc bounty for cr50 break. but it will only be available to folks in the wot, for the very obvious reason . 1823972;1528832128;asciilifeform;( how am i to know whom to pay ? and if the magic answer is sent plaintext, it will land in the fleanode nsa trap and immediately get shared with the enemy. ) 1823973;1528832134;cnomad;ahh 1823974;1528832147;cnomad;fair enough 1823975;1528832176;asciilifeform;cnomad: there is a www front-end for the wot; this , for example : http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.html is me. 1823976;1528832212;cnomad;ok here's a sha512sum for now, i'll regsiter w/ your bot a bit later 1823977;1528832214;cnomad;7d3ca5d5e5e09bdc3ebf53017a883e2c10710fe5edf8f46838ff5e6b5bf33e6c031554b959badb9ef8a0bca772a6df2c8e677227143ea46d3f36d28b43e26135 1823978;1528832229;cnomad;so if you question my identity i'll give you the non hashed text 1823979;1528832231;asciilifeform;this doesn't do anything for us. but do consider !!register'ing a gpg key. 1823980;1528832237;cnomad;k 1823981;1528832267;asciilifeform;all you gotta do is to put it where ( http://somewhere/yourkey.txt, not https ) deedbot can see it, and then !!register thaturl . 1823982;1528832271;cnomad;how much are you offering for liberating a cr50? fyi, it'll be a _hard_ target 1823983;1528832282;asciilifeform;cnomad: not determined yet. at least 1btc. 1823984;1528832294;cnomad;ok 1823985;1528832310;asciilifeform;out of curiosity, cnomad , do you think this is laughably small ? 1823986;1528832346;cnomad;yeah 1823987;1528832349;cnomad;i mean 1823988;1528832420;asciilifeform;hm? 1823989;1528832437;asciilifeform;how large a bounty would pique your interest, cnomad ? 1823990;1528832439;cnomad;if the goal is to liberate it for public use, then it's easier to justify paying less than market rate 1823991;1528832449;cnomad;hmm 1823992;1528832460;asciilifeform;well yes, for public use. with the caveat that we will not be giving the curative pill to google. 1823993;1528832469;asciilifeform;we will make cured machines available, at reasonable cost. 1823994;1528832497;asciilifeform;( if the jailbreak is published openly, the hole is likely to be closed in short order. this prolly does not need explaining. ) 1823995;1528832660;cnomad;If someone popped this chip, I'd value it at _least_ 200k USD. we're talking about invasive analysis that requires equipment, weeks of non-stop work, and experience 1823996;1528832673;asciilifeform;!!up cnomad 1823997;1528832674;deedbot;cnomad voiced for 30 minutes. 1823998;1528832688;asciilifeform;for my purposes, a proper break is when i can load in arbitrary firmware in place of the vendor's. 1823999;1528832701;asciilifeform;into all currently available cr50 boards, but in particular the c101pa. 1824000;1528832707;cnomad;especially since this is a generic security chip with potentially more serious applications 1824001;1528832713;asciilifeform;sure. 1824002;1528832717;cnomad;oh 1824003;1528832747;asciilifeform;i do not particularly need extraction of user-loaded tpm crapola, it does not do anything for me. 1824004;1528832760;cnomad;but if you re-write the firmware, you own the tpm 1824005;1528832761;asciilifeform;( though as i understand it will also be possible as a side-effect of any general break. ) 1824006;1528832763;asciilifeform;correct. 1824007;1528832797;asciilifeform;simply must point out, if as side effect of the break, the user-loaded data is nulled, this is not a problem for us. 1824008;1528832816;asciilifeform;so it is just as good to break the 'rma lock' mechanism, as the firmware verification, as i currently understand it. 1824009;1528832834;cnomad;gotcha 1824010;1528832841;asciilifeform;the objective is to neuter, once and for all, the nsa master key mechanism. 1824011;1528832865;asciilifeform;then, e.g. the c101pa, becomes a pretty useful, general-purpose arm64 box. 1824012;1528832872;asciilifeform;but until then, it is a kind of iphone 1824013;1528832925;cnomad;heh 1824014;1528832936;asciilifeform;re 'weeks of nonstop work', understand that the break must be mass-applicable, it is not useful to flip the bits with electron beam in ~one~ particular cr50 1824015;1528832964;cnomad;yeah, using a SEM/FIB is the easy way 1824016;1528832971;asciilifeform;but does us 0 good 1824017;1528832988;cnomad;well it could provide some insight into the target 1824018;1528832996;cnomad;for further REing 1824019;1528832998;asciilifeform;the break would ideally be applicable via the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 debug device; or, at worst, by attaching to the test pads on the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/h1.jpg pcb. 1824020;1528833004;cnomad;yeah 1824021;1528833039;asciilifeform;the expense of decapping ~each~ cr50 in each box, is prohibitive, and makes whole proposition uninteresting 1824022;1528833043;asciilifeform;i'ma brb, teatime 1824023;1528833067;cnomad;well the most likely non-firmware approach would be finding a way to glitch/fault it 1824024;1528833087;cnomad;that would be scalable 1824025;1528833259;cnomad;that being said, these chips are generally hardened against faulting / glitching / DPA attacks 1824026;1528833710;mircea_popescu;anything specific ? 1824027;1528833978;cnomad;from reading around a few months ago, they use a similar IC that's used for smart cards, which implement a lot of hardening measures like dual rail logic, security meshes, and various other hardening measures 1824028;1528834001;cnomad;so this is likely some evolution of that 1824029;1528834060;mircea_popescu;sounds like a lot of expensive customization. 1824030;1528834107;cnomad;yeah they can be generic. Mass produce them so engineers can use them for TPMs and whatnot 1824031;1528834136;mircea_popescu;"smart" cards are not usually all that hardened in practice. 1824032;1528834173;cnomad;good, modern ones are 1824033;1528834183;*;asciilifeform back 1824034;1528834214;asciilifeform;cnomad: main form of glitch hardening in cr50, going by the src, is the tactic of repeating the various crypto checks N times 1824035;1528834215;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823904 << sure, i'll match. 1824036;1528834215;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 18:48 asciilifeform considers idea of proclaiming a 1 btc prize for a working break of cr50 . any l1 folk interested in contributing to the prize chest , and/or overseeing the refereeing ? 1824037;1528834227;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: good. nao all we need is a refereee 1824038;1528834231;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu wanna referee? 1824039;1528834243;mircea_popescu;doesn't the referee have to be qualified ? 1824040;1528834257;asciilifeform;well ideally he'd have a box to test $pill on 1824041;1528834260;asciilifeform;hey phf ! 1824042;1528834297;asciilifeform;cnomad: dpa won't do a lick of good, the boobytrap is a rsa pub sig check, no secrets involved 1824043;1528834334;cnomad;yeah i know, i was speaking more generally 1824044;1528834336;asciilifeform;( i can dpa right here, dun need help even. but it isn't particularly useful for cr50. ) 1824045;1528834337;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823930 << this difference doesn't exist. 1824046;1528834337;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 19:18 cnomad: is this a technical channel or a political or...? 1824047;1528834354;mircea_popescu;the claim to the contrary is a political ploy put forth by the enemies of humanity. 1824048;1528834420;asciilifeform;cnomad: chip appears to be rad-hard, to an extent, also. tho there is a plain physical limit as to rad-hardness of an object half a mm in thickness 1824049;1528834443;asciilifeform;and at any rate a pill that requires elaborate physical diddling is not suitable for mass curing. 1824050;1528834454;mircea_popescu;if well grounded, that limit can be high indeed. 1824051;1528834485;asciilifeform;!!up cnomad 1824052;1528834486;deedbot;cnomad voiced for 30 minutes. 1824053;1528834564;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823965 << it will onlty follow if you exist. without a registered key, you don't. nobody's going to even pretend "that cnomad guy" is a thing, different or differentiable from any other http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ 1824054;1528834564;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 19:32 cnomad: im a go-with-the-flow kinda guy. rep will naturally follow 1824055;1528834568;asciilifeform;cnomad: it is quite conceivable that the artifact is airtight, and no one will collect the prize. however it is also conceivable that there is, e.g., buffer overflow somewhere in the mass of c crapola, and it can be rooted today, via the usb jack. 1824056;1528834587;cnomad;yeah 1824057;1528834597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, the only problem is, i'm paying bitcoin to fix google's crapolade ? this sounds a lot like the soviet-sponsored "criticism of capitalism" 1824058;1528834603;cnomad;oh this chip will get popped someday, it's certainly possible 1824059;1528834609;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rape, not fix 1824060;1528834621;asciilifeform;per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823992 . 1824061;1528834621;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 19:41 asciilifeform: well yes, for public use. with the caveat that we will not be giving the curative pill to google. 1824062;1528834633;mircea_popescu;if it's software and it's found, well... they'll make a firmware upgrade yes. 1824063;1528834643;asciilifeform;some time after we cure 500 units. 1824064;1528834654;asciilifeform;nothing's forever. 1824065;1528834662;mircea_popescu;but the blade cuts the wrong way. 1824066;1528834669;asciilifeform;the machines currently on retail shelves, are curable. 1824067;1528834674;asciilifeform;( if cure indeed exists ) 1824068;1528834701;mircea_popescu;i'd be surprised if "the public" has the werewithal to even liberate 500 of them, should a pill be available now. 1824069;1528834713;asciilifeform;what public. asciilifeform , right here in torture room, will liberate. 1824070;1528834721;mircea_popescu;and you'll store 500 laptops ? 1824071;1528834726;asciilifeform;sure 1824072;1528834728;asciilifeform;they're small. 1824073;1528834728;mircea_popescu;why ? 1824074;1528834732;asciilifeform;s.nsa product. 1824075;1528834743;mircea_popescu;yes, but you're making less than alphabet is from this deal. 1824076;1528834751;mircea_popescu;the idea is to work things so we make more than they do. 1824077;1528834754;asciilifeform;alphabet sells'em, i suspect, at-cost. 1824078;1528834766;asciilifeform;they make their dough via luser rapine, not iron. 1824079;1528834784;mircea_popescu;i still don't see the merit in this "pay" approach. 1824080;1528834785;asciilifeform;the snsa boxen, in the hypothetical, will not contain google crapola. 1824081;1528834800;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho it's worth a shot, dun cost me anything if nobody plays. 1824082;1528834810;mircea_popescu;this is a naive way of looking at things. 1824083;1528834817;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is not expected to contribute to the prize pot, if he thinks it is waste of time. 1824084;1528834818;mircea_popescu;consider what "pay for tits" got. 1824085;1528834824;mircea_popescu;i didn't do that publicly for nothing, after all. 1824086;1528834842;asciilifeform;refereeing will take some work. hence the call for a willing referee . 1824087;1528834846;mircea_popescu;there wasn't a single noteworthy one in the whole bunch, yes ? 1824088;1528834855;asciilifeform;( and naturally contest would have finite time bound ) 1824089;1528834923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, think : paying for tits resulted, before your very eyes, in ever increasing levels of exam taking. yes ? you noticed this, yourself, i said nothing, you complained about it. 1824090;1528834931;asciilifeform;verily it did. 1824091;1528834937;mircea_popescu;now you want to pay for cr-whatever. why ? do you expect it'll go any differently ? why ? and so on. 1824092;1528834973;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: occasionally folks do break things. presently they're stuck 1) publishing, and it gets patched within a day by enemy 2) the enemy's bounties, paid in printolade 1824093;1528834986;mircea_popescu;"it doesn't cost me anything" is how filthy person ends up with bug infestation, "oh, the jam they eat cost me nothing". 1824094;1528835015;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, folks who can think are cordially invited to extract their head out of their ass, stop cohabiting with monkeys, join the republic. 1824095;1528835036;mircea_popescu;if they can't do this, measured as "don't do this", a) the argument they were intelligent is tenuous and b) paying them is exacrtly thr wrong thing to do. 1824096;1528835037;asciilifeform;well i wrote the article. observe what sort of folx came thus far. 1824097;1528835089;mircea_popescu;ie, a) if indeed this guy exists that'd give tyou whatever for the whatever prize, and b) i know for certain that he wouldn;'t have otherwise, somehow then c) i'll send a gal over to tie him to a post, slice an inch of his abdomen, and slowly roll his inrtestine on a cat scratch pad. 1824098;1528835096;mircea_popescu;because what the fuck else would you expect me to do. 1824099;1528835101;asciilifeform;at any rate, nothing's finalized, if mircea_popescu is convinced that this is dumb idea, i'ma call it off 1824100;1528835118;mircea_popescu;i'm not convinced of anything, but i'd rather discuss it than not. 1824101;1528835128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the code repo contains list of meat names of good candidates to tie to a post. 1824102;1528835134;asciilifeform;they have access to that privkey. 1824103;1528835152;asciilifeform;( one even on record, as 'no i don't!111' , amstan ) 1824104;1528835165;mircea_popescu;certainly consists of list of miserable overgrown avortons whose mothers should be really, really ashamed they waited. 1824105;1528835171;asciilifeform;verily. 1824106;1528835212;cnomad;curious, you guys speak russian? 1824107;1528835226;mircea_popescu;he does. 1824108;1528835227;asciilifeform;asciilifeform, phf , apeloyee, possibly coupla other folx, do 1824109;1528835237;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu does, to extent, but won't admit!11 1824110;1528835246;cnomad;heh 1824111;1528835252;cnomad;cool me too 1824112;1528835255;mircea_popescu;i'm jewish, that's what we do. 1824113;1528835269;asciilifeform;lol 1824114;1528835280;asciilifeform;cnomad: interestingly, 0 discussion on ru net of cr50. 1824115;1528835284;asciilifeform;in so far as i can tell. 1824116;1528835298;asciilifeform;it's been on shop shelves for almost a year, and 0. 1824117;1528835318;asciilifeform;nao, possibly because nobody in ru sphere would be caught dead buying google crapolade, even for experiment. 1824118;1528835322;asciilifeform;but still somewhat surprising. 1824119;1528835456;asciilifeform;currently the thing is in a handful of boxes, but i suspect that it will spread. 1824120;1528835487;asciilifeform;esp. if the derps begin to think that they've made an airtight trap. 1824121;1528835633;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't expect that the google monkeys with access to the key, will willingly spill it ( tho this cannot be ruled out. ) idea was, possibly to get the same folks who currently sweat over ipnoje etc , interested. 1824122;1528835843;mircea_popescu;but if their brain dun work enough for them to get thjemselves interested on their own, then what's your btc gonna do ? 1824123;1528835866;asciilifeform;what does crapple's 100k bounty do ? 1824124;1528835869;asciilifeform;or what was it. 1824125;1528835870;mircea_popescu;nothing. 1824126;1528835884;asciilifeform;if it were 'nothing', the holes from 2015 would still work. 1824127;1528835888;mircea_popescu;it's the ~advertising~ that does something. you understand this, do you ? 1824128;1528835898;asciilifeform;possibly not? 1824129;1528835915;mircea_popescu;ok. let's go back to the original tournament market, the hollywood studio. 1824130;1528835919;asciilifeform;ok 1824131;1528835925;mircea_popescu;what's the whatever, $x mn check the star gets DO ? 1824132;1528835944;asciilifeform;win lottery, lol 1824133;1528835948;mircea_popescu;the item where they ship pre-printed cutouts with the silouette of a girl, and a hole for the head, holding a $x mn check, DOES SOMETHING. 1824134;1528835974;mircea_popescu;it does the thing where it's put in front of every soda joint, and before you know it 17 yos are willing to throw their panties at rolling stones and star in cocksucker blues. 1824135;1528835984;asciilifeform;i think i grasp this 1824136;1528835986;mircea_popescu;whereas their mothers were happy to appear in whistler's mother all decked in black. 1824137;1528835998;mircea_popescu;but this is not what you ask. what you ask is, "what does the $x mn do". well ? what does it ? 1824138;1528836022;mircea_popescu;you're not going to reproduce the former by the latter ; just like you're not going to lure my slavegirls away by promising to be "a good sensitive guy with a great sense of humor". 1824139;1528836031;asciilifeform;however must point out, serious work does cost money; e.g. time on electron microscope, we saw what costs; and there is a population of folx who can make use of it, but can't steal enuff time on instruments, or , if they can, allocated it for something that actually pays the bills 1824140;1528836036;mircea_popescu;howsoever indignant my stepping on their faces in the dungeon may make your tingly sense. 1824141;1528836056;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, yes, and if zeptobars weren't fucked in the head, they'd have a !Z service here. 1824142;1528836061;mircea_popescu;exactly like sane people do it. 1824143;1528836071;asciilifeform;the problem with zeptobars, is that they're a ~porn co. 1824144;1528836083;asciilifeform;the amt of ~actual~ reversing, to date, by zeptobar, is ~0. 1824145;1528836083;mircea_popescu;but they ARE fucked in the head, and specifically in the manner of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798415 1824146;1528836083;a111;Logged on 2018-04-13 20:14 zx2c4: i'd be wary of any 'deal' that's different from: 'i'm given money. you're given warm feelings of having helped the internet.' 1824147;1528836097;asciilifeform;understand, a die photo would do me ~0 good re cr50. 1824148;1528836099;mircea_popescu;where, of course, "the internet" is really just how he whitewashes satan himself for my benefit\. 1824149;1528836110;mircea_popescu;cuz im supposed to be just as retarded as any other usg-produced neet. 1824150;1528836138;asciilifeform;this aside, they ~are~ fuckedinthehead in the manner mircea_popescu describes. just, it would not make much diff for us to have'em, in this case. 1824151;1528836151;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i'm just saying, the thing you discuss, with "has costs", works a ~certain~ way. and if you recall how NOPENOPE NOPE!!! kanzure was wrt getting his inept bs in functional shape, you realise that they will NEVER do any work. 1824152;1528836168;asciilifeform;what can i say, this is probably 100% true. 1824153;1528836171;mircea_popescu;recall ? "put your pdf reader in a bot" "where are your microscopy shots" etc. 1824154;1528836187;mircea_popescu;where are they ? even fucking today ? a year later, and all the "make mp eat crow" one could conjure up, where is it ? 1824155;1528836191;asciilifeform;this is sorta like 'search for extraterrestrial intelligence' 1824156;1528836198;asciilifeform;'hm, maybe today is when the martians answer' 1824157;1528836198;mircea_popescu;recall the days kakobrekla honestly imagined b-a actually has some sort of future ? 1824158;1528836217;mircea_popescu;they won't work ; and paying them is counter-productive : it encourages them to not work. 1824159;1528836231;asciilifeform;notion was to pay for completed work 1824160;1528836244;asciilifeform;but i can see the 'tits' angle. 1824161;1528836248;mircea_popescu;notion was you working to self-pacify yourself, really. 1824162;1528836254;mircea_popescu;there's no way to cut this : either they do or they don't. 1824163;1528836282;asciilifeform;well currently i'm out of ideas in re cr50; thought i'd try the 1 tool in the box i haven't unsheathed. 1824164;1528836285;mircea_popescu;#lisp STILL FUCKING DOES NOT HAVE candi_lustt 1824165;1528836288;mircea_popescu;what more ? 1824166;1528836299;asciilifeform;!!up cnomad 1824167;1528836299;deedbot;cnomad voiced for 30 minutes. 1824168;1528836316;asciilifeform;cnomad: i dun suppose you have anything to add to this thread ? 1824169;1528836328;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, consider what the previous bitcoins bought, shall we ? 1824170;1528836367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perfectly good photo of d00d with pen in his arse !111 1824171;1528836389;cnomad;nothing to add atm 1824172;1528836397;asciilifeform;cnomad: aite 1824173;1528836459;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802054 we've seen ; how about http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1724173 ? random moron trying to make a living out of "online marketing", gets paid more than he earned his entire working life (cash, not fucking "hopes" bs) and he... what ? 1824174;1528836459;a111;Logged on 2018-04-18 16:39 a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 16:30 mircea_popescu: !!pay zx2c4 1 1824175;1528836459;a111;Logged on 2017-10-11 20:46 mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 1 12taDFRdimNTHx1xoUkUZWj3nrE4js6LM6 1824176;1528836505;mircea_popescu;nothing. there's not going to be any work encouragement through payment, because the inca has expertly stuffed this channel full of nonsense on both ends. "Free money" from one "nothing to buy for it" from the other, the zek has no use and no need and consequently no conception of money at all. 1824177;1528836510;mircea_popescu;might as well offer moon fiddles. 1824178;1528836524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hypothetically it'd be a contest with very simple mechanical judgement of winner. but i can picture why no one might want to be the referee. 1824179;1528836541;mircea_popescu;nevermind the referee. explain the incentive structure. 1824180;1528836574;asciilifeform;for players ? 1824181;1528836603;mircea_popescu;yes. 1824182;1528836608;asciilifeform;well, let's take douchebag 1824183;1528836613;asciilifeform;whatcha doing these days, douchebag ? 1824184;1528836635;asciilifeform;let me guess, auditing www crapola to make the rent ? 1824185;1528836643;mircea_popescu;my bet would be, he's working a shitty job in some shitty company and dreams of the day "things will happen". 1824186;1528836666;mircea_popescu;meanwhile nothing's happening, and time goes by, and trinque in the end had a point, no door's open forever. 1824187;1528836677;asciilifeform;maybe not best example, i have nfi whether d00d has the spark of life or not 1824188;1528836713;mircea_popescu;and you know, like shinohai -- if you prod him he'll do some movements, like electrocuted, disembodied frog legs. and if you don't he'll sit. and then wonder why it didn't work out and why he's being so badly persecuted. 1824189;1528836720;asciilifeform;all i got is historical examples, buying keys worked for kgb and gru 1824190;1528836723;asciilifeform;why not for us. 1824191;1528836724;mircea_popescu;recall the time i bought that dork a ranked reddit account ? recall the time anything came of it ? 1824192;1528836731;mircea_popescu;recall the time anything came of rockchip ? 1824193;1528836733;mircea_popescu;and so fucking on. 1824194;1528836744;asciilifeform;sure but what's a reddit worth. 1824195;1528836745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, if "worked" then where are these things it worked for ? 1824196;1528836761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, a tool is worth to the tradesman his life. 1824197;1528836778;asciilifeform;i can't speak authoritatively, but according to thirdhand folx, they had the usg naval keys for 20 yrs straight 1824198;1528836782;mircea_popescu;if he's a tradesman. if he's a kid getting in the way of adults, nothing will EVER be worth anything. not ever, no matter what you do. 1824199;1528836804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, and ? they ever won a confrontation with us navy ? they ever won without even needing to confront, like the chinese ? 1824200;1528836816;asciilifeform;aaand they had orig schems, chip layouts, etc. for various 'embargo' products. some of which can still be seen today, e.g. those calcs. 1824201;1528836827;asciilifeform;these were purchased, in exactly the manner contemplated. 1824202;1528836841;mircea_popescu;sure. but anyways, to circle back : i'll match. but i also expect exactly nothing to come of it. 1824203;1528836852;asciilifeform;i expect exactly same thing. 1824204;1528836879;asciilifeform;nao if phf or other l1 is willing to referee, we can hold the game. ( imho asciilifeform does not fit for role of referee. ) 1824205;1528836901;mircea_popescu;and somehow, all these inept fucktards sit somewhere "online" on the world wide dweeb, and manage to not notice that "hey, there's some people somewhere , can burn 10s of ks of this shitty green crap just out of boredom. when's the last time our "respectable" "employer" ok'd a $100 expense account ?!?!?!" 1824206;1528836911;asciilifeform;i'd start with giving the players , say , six weeks. 1824207;1528836945;mircea_popescu;hahaha\ 1824208;1528836958;mircea_popescu;you know, i did this on trilema what ? a dozen times ? two ? 1824209;1528836961;asciilifeform;any longer, and the target is likely to move. 1824210;1528836964;asciilifeform;sure. 1824211;1528836969;mircea_popescu;recall how it never took less than a year for the fucktarded public to even catch on ? 1824212;1528836997;mircea_popescu;and this is not anglotardation ; at some point a decade ago i actually offered a full scholarship. NOBODY claimed it. 1824213;1528837005;asciilifeform;i believe it. 1824214;1528837021;asciilifeform;sometimes there is problem tho, where the prospective players don't believe in the factuality of the prize 1824215;1528837026;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/bursele-trilema-pentru-doctoranzi-si-masteranzi/ << item. 1824216;1528837031;mircea_popescu;riiigh. 1824217;1528837039;mircea_popescu;looky, shit eaters will eat shit. 1824218;1528837041;asciilifeform;( so paradoxically a 1btc prize imho could attract moar players than 10, even ) 1824219;1528837050;mircea_popescu;"i don't believe in factuality of anything besides usg" is the cheapest brand of shit to eat. 1824220;1528837064;asciilifeform;right but hypothetical is that something remains when you take these away. 1824221;1528837085;asciilifeform;( i have no particular reason to think it, and more or less agree with mircea_popescu re why ) 1824222;1528837094;asciilifeform;it's a 'seti'. 1824223;1528837104;asciilifeform;nobody has yet met a martian. 1824224;1528837106;mircea_popescu;as far as i'm concerned, two things remain : republicans and slavegirls. 1824225;1528837114;asciilifeform;afaik that's all. 1824226;1528837122;mircea_popescu;and i don't see why that shouldn't suffice. 1824227;1528837180;asciilifeform;i mean this is one possible approach, when encountering a mine field that the current republicans + slavegurlz can't clear, to say 'eh it dun need clearing' 1824228;1528837194;mircea_popescu;well, say it can't be cleared, what. 1824229;1528837201;asciilifeform;but i'd like to see this one, cleared. 1824230;1528837208;mircea_popescu;saying "jahveh will clear if sacrifice correct ox" is insanity. 1824231;1528837220;asciilifeform;ox clears minefield quite well!111 1824232;1528837221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, nice. like in one hand, and piss in the other... 1824233;1528837224;asciilifeform;aha 1824234;1528837335;asciilifeform;it isn't even wholly about the machines, from asciilifeform's pov, asciilifeform would like to see the enemy bleed some, hear the laments , see the mules driven before him, etc 1824235;1528837395;asciilifeform;and, as mircea_popescu correctly points out, 'would like' never broke any doors. 1824236;1528837407;mircea_popescu;well, you live in dc, send a few girls over to talk to the dweebs. 1824237;1528837418;asciilifeform;lol 1824238;1528837422;mircea_popescu;afaik alphabet all lives there, notwisthanding "tech corp" pretense. 1824239;1528837436;asciilifeform;you must have asciilifeform confused with somebody else, the dc mircea_popescu is three doors down 1824240;1528837440;mircea_popescu;also, i can say it is extremely unlikely your preliminary "thousands" figure is correct. 1824241;1528837444;mircea_popescu;it may be as low as a coupla dozen. 1824242;1528837470;asciilifeform;( and fwiw it's news to me, that any of them live here, nobody lives here if they can reasonably help it ) 1824243;1528837481;mircea_popescu;yes well. 1824244;1528837488;douchebag;I've been around, just been busy attending to various issues irl 1824245;1528837495;mircea_popescu;how's the ticks ? 1824246;1528837515;douchebag;It ended up being a spider bite 1824247;1528837523;douchebag;I'm doing well now after a few days 1824248;1528837534;mircea_popescu;a good. 1824249;1528837542;douchebag;thanks 1824250;1528837543;mircea_popescu;ticks are technically spiders, fwiw. 1824251;1528837562;douchebag;Never knew that, I thought they were parasites 1824252;1528837580;douchebag;Ahh they're arachnids 1824253;1528837597;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823995 << he's not even wrong ; tho honestly i'd much rather buy equipment than outsource. 1824254;1528837597;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 19:44 cnomad: If someone popped this chip, I'd value it at _least_ 200k USD. we're talking about invasive analysis that requires equipment, weeks of non-stop work, and experience 1824255;1528837612;mircea_popescu;let's not repeat the mistake that sunk america ; we don't even have an america to sink. 1824256;1528837649;cnomad;what mistake? 1824257;1528837657;mircea_popescu;douchebag, "parasite" isn't a class. but yes, arachnids. 1824258;1528837665;mircea_popescu;cnomad, outsourcing, rather than buying capital goods. 1824259;1528837733;douchebag;A friend of mine is great w/ hardware hacking, reverse engineering, binary exploitation, firmware exploitation, ect.. He has a ton of equipment, if asciilifeform wants I could have him come in here. 1824260;1528837739;BingoBoingo; It ended up being a spider bite << How sure are you about that? Prolly safest to tent the place and fumigate to be sure. 1824261;1528837747;mircea_popescu;douchebag, certainly. 1824262;1528837770;asciilifeform;douchebag: it isn't clear that heavy equipment is of any help. but if talented folx can be led to take an interest, by all means bring'em 1824263;1528837771;mircea_popescu;apparently we'll end up having to organize a defanging lab. 1824264;1528837790;douchebag;BingoBoingo: Well, that's what the doctor told me 1824265;1528837802;asciilifeform;the only on-chip secret that'd make a diff, is if there is an iron backdoor left in fpga 1824266;1528837813;asciilifeform;otherwise it's a purely c-machine exploitation problem 1824267;1528837846;asciilifeform;recall, a cure that requires individual decapping of each patient, is worth ~0. 1824268;1528837850;BingoBoingo;douchebag: Spiders and ticks aren't the only things that bite. Fumigate. 1824269;1528837864;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824023 << as he was excitedly pointing out, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822402 1824270;1528837864;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 19:51 cnomad: well the most likely non-firmware approach would be finding a way to glitch/fault it 1824271;1528837864;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 15:46 asciilifeform: one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing 1824272;1528837870;mircea_popescu;but so far an overflow's elusive. 1824273;1528837907;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, honestly, i still suspect there's a clean way to flash-in via the factory pads. however... 1824274;1528837912;mircea_popescu;!!up digshadow-c 1824275;1528837912;deedbot;digshadow-c voiced for 30 minutes. 1824276;1528837916;asciilifeform;and in so far as i can tell, thing's a pinball machine, designed to lock up on first sign of glitching 1824277;1528837918;asciilifeform;has thermometer, etc. 1824278;1528837948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i tracked down their factory test jig src. it was in their shithub, 'removed' in october 19 1824279;1528837950;mircea_popescu;ahaha, does it brick if you cut out the thermometer ? 1824280;1528837957;asciilifeform;cut lol 1824281;1528837958;asciilifeform;it's on-die. 1824282;1528837964;mircea_popescu;ohthose. 1824283;1528837983;asciilifeform;test jig was simply a variant of the stock fw, and it gets rewritten by the 'prod' fw prior to retail sale. 1824284;1528837993;mircea_popescu;yes but how did they enable it ? 1824285;1528838007;mircea_popescu;!!up xdeller_ 1824286;1528838008;deedbot;xdeller_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1824287;1528838014;mircea_popescu;hello xdeller_ , who might ye be ? 1824288;1528838019;asciilifeform;factory edition of the chip had a loader that overwrites self via spi 1824289;1528838027;asciilifeform;so no trace of it on the prod chip. 1824290;1528838041;mircea_popescu;pretty elegant way to go about it. 1824291;1528838045;douchebag;asciilifeform: Are you referring to the motor compressor 1824292;1528838048;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/trump-and-kim-make-a-deal-after-g7-treachery/ << Qntra - Trump And Kim Make A Deal After G7 Treachery 1824293;1528838053;asciilifeform;aha, in so far as i can tell they did a fairly clean job. 1824294;1528838060;asciilifeform;douchebag: waiwat 1824295;1528838082;douchebag;I'm talking to my buddy 1824296;1528838086;douchebag;"i hope hes not referring to the fucking motor compressor" 1824297;1528838094;douchebag;"chromium rite" 1824298;1528838098;asciilifeform;does he think subj is a refrigerator ? or wat 1824299;1528838106;BingoBoingo;LOLL 1824300;1528838111;asciilifeform;!!up cnomad 1824301;1528838112;deedbot;cnomad voiced for 30 minutes. 1824302;1528838127;asciilifeform;douchebag: i'm not aware of a component known by name of 'motor compressor' anywhere in or near subj 1824303;1528838141;asciilifeform;possibly yer friend is thinking of refrigerator... 1824304;1528838149;trinque;it's right next to the johnson rod 1824305;1528838152;asciilifeform;lel 1824306;1528838156;mircea_popescu;douchebag, cr50 is, by all appearances, an arm cortex fpga 1824307;1528838168;BingoBoingo;Even then more apt metaphor for the operation would be a drain and fill 1824308;1528838208;asciilifeform;douchebag: ~in~ fpga. but not an off-the-shelf one, but with LUT filling in mask rom. 1824309;1528838261;asciilifeform;a la altera's 'hardcopy' 1824310;1528838268;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, how reliable is your http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823802 ? 1824311;1528838268;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 16:03 asciilifeform: but if can put a $5 fpga in its place, it's a 15 min job. 1824312;1528838272;asciilifeform;( may even be, for all i know, literally a product of altera hardcopy ) 1824313;1528838293;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if i could find a fpga that sits down pad-for-pad, it becomes a $10 problem. 1824314;1528838313;mircea_popescu;could just put a sane kbd driver in there and whatnot. i don;'t even fucking want google's kbd driver, they can shove it. 1824315;1528838315;asciilifeform;however it is not known presently whether one exists. 1824316;1528838317;asciilifeform;right. 1824317;1528838320;asciilifeform;kbd, ps, etc 1824318;1528838332;asciilifeform;i'd junk google's crapola fw regardless, even if we break cr50 1824319;1528838335;mircea_popescu;ps is even smaller an issue 1824320;1528838341;asciilifeform;it can be replaced with ~50 line thing. 1824321;1528838381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, can you publish a very large pic of the chip (and margins) only ? 1824322;1528838392;mircea_popescu;ideally 5k px or w/e you can swing. very large very clear. 1824323;1528838395;asciilifeform;currently best i have is http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/h1.jpg 1824324;1528838408;mircea_popescu;it's fucking terrible. 1824325;1528838413;asciilifeform;but will strip down the box again ( gotta pull out mb and heat sinks etc ) and make a bigger, later this wk 1824326;1528838437;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how big margin do you want ? 1824327;1528838450;mircea_popescu;1mm past the demarcation is plenty 1824328;1528838461;asciilifeform;i put the spi bootrom in the pic, to make clear the fact that it is connected ~through~ cr50 1824329;1528838474;asciilifeform;( src confirms this ) 1824330;1528838479;mircea_popescu;make 100 shots if you have to, just learn how to use the damned sony and get a proper fixed shot 1824331;1528838495;mircea_popescu;sure. but here no need for that, we're trying to match the chip. 1824332;1528838502;douchebag;My buddy said "although they are mostly factory locked" 1824333;1528838515;douchebag;you can put them in an "rma open" config which will allow some communications functionality 1824334;1528838529;mircea_popescu;douchebag, what are you, mafalda ? 1824335;1528838530;asciilifeform;douchebag: if you were to read my articles, and past 48 hrs of thread, you would already know this. 1824336;1528838549;asciilifeform;incl. what happens re 'rma open'. 1824337;1528838567;asciilifeform;( unlocking 'rma open' counts as a troo break. ) 1824338;1528838585;asciilifeform;and forfuckssake yes they're locked. what didja think the thread were about, douchebag ? 1824339;1528838608;douchebag;I didn't even know what a cr50 was 10 minutes ago 1824340;1528838626;asciilifeform;douchebag: you have some reading to catch up on. 1824341;1528838640;asciilifeform;douchebag: can start with http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 . 1824342;1528838644;douchebag;Sry, been jumping between quite a few different things throughout the day 1824343;1528839027;cnomad;floating an idea... do you folks have a batch of cr50s around that you might be willing to ship? 1824344;1528839046;douchebag;My friend was also wondering who has access to cr50's 1824345;1528839077;cnomad;and if you send 2-3 to me, I can image it for you 1824346;1528839088;asciilifeform;cnomad: it's 300bux or so 1824347;1528839117;cnomad;yeah, for a whole chromebook 1824348;1528839227;mircea_popescu;cnomad, how about you get a key registered, i send you some bitcoin dust, you order yourself a coupla chromebooks and "imagine it for us". 1824349;1528839228;asciilifeform;cnomad: board itself is ~fiddybux on ebay 1824350;1528839311;douchebag;My friend says he's going to research it some more. He said he can have a unit by Friday, he thinks it'll be interesting because it probably hasn't had as much attention given to it due to low market share 1824351;1528839382;mircea_popescu;douchebag, why can't he come in like normal people ? 1824352;1528839390;diana_coman;funny how this hw guy can't even do as much as the girls with tits managed 1824353;1528839391;douchebag;He's not at his computer at the moment 1824354;1528839406;mircea_popescu;so let him get off the girl and get to his computert later. 1824355;1528839611;cnomad;mircea_popescu: ok. I'm not going to get to it within this month, but i'll ping you back for details to give you a die image 1824356;1528839702;cnomad;it prolly will yield some periphery information about the die, similar families / cells that it uses 1824357;1528839820;cnomad;!!register https://kibon.eu/kiboneu.asc 1824358;1528839823;deedbot;7BD5B50222D7457B9710CF728D6436492F4A69AF registered as cnomad. 1824359;1528839838;cnomad;there im now on yer watchlist 1824360;1528839848;mircea_popescu;principally it'll yield an opportunity for you to be reconized or how shall we put it. 1824361;1528839851;mircea_popescu;!!pay cnomad 0.1 1824362;1528839856;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uT9uZ/?raw=true 1824363;1528839882;cnomad;i don't want money, but thanks 1824364;1528839913;mircea_popescu;cnomad, imagine i shipped you some boards, what difference does it make. 1824365;1528839929;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should also rate him huh. 1824366;1528839953;mircea_popescu;!!rate cnomad 1 dood either ran off with my boards or else produced an image of some sort ; we don't know the future yet 1824367;1528839956;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4zhB3/?raw=true 1824368;1528840014;mircea_popescu;cnomad, say !!up to deedbot in a pm. 1824369;1528840051;mircea_popescu;!!up cnomad 1824370;1528840052;deedbot;cnomad voiced for 30 minutes. 1824371;1528840069;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1824372;1528840070;cnomad;er, more precisely I'm not going to get to it until sometime next month, so I'd rather accept payment then 1824373;1528840084;cnomad;idk deedbat thinks im not registered 1824374;1528840102;mircea_popescu;dingbat lol. 1824375;1528840118;mircea_popescu;cnomad, aite, give it a few mins then, maybe not up to date yet 1824376;1528840158;cnomad;its fine. I'll ping you folks when I'm ready to order some chromebooks and do some imaging 1824377;1528840173;cnomad;motivation for me to finish assembling the fumehood 1824378;1528840257;asciilifeform;the great outdoor world under the sun makes an ok fumehood.. 1824379;1528840265;mircea_popescu;no it doesn't. 1824380;1528840267;mircea_popescu;suicidal maniac. 1824381;1528840272;asciilifeform;lol 1824382;1528840287;cnomad;i can't say i haven't considered it 1824383;1528840289;asciilifeform;( well, it + sov gas mask ) 1824384;1528840315;mircea_popescu;+ buttplug. 1824385;1528840333;asciilifeform;arse-mouth hose, wainot. 1824386;1528840504;asciilifeform;!!rate cnomad 1 says, he's a reverser. 1824387;1528840507;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BBSsL/?raw=true 1824388;1528840534;asciilifeform;!!v 93034C3788CC362FD06EF9824B149C73A8C1B0B6EDAA9F1773BB30E80855097D 1824389;1528840535;deedbot;asciilifeform rated cnomad 1 << says, he's a reverser. 1824390;1528841975;mircea_popescu;cnomad the user manual is http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ btw 1824391;1528842437;mircea_popescu;!!up fitzsim 1824392;1528842438;deedbot;fitzsim voiced for 30 minutes. 1824393;1528842441;mircea_popescu;aand who might you be ? 1824394;1528843318;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/apple-signing-api-used-to-bypass-third-party-anti-malware-tools/ << Qntra - Apple Signing API Used To Bypass Third Party Anti-Malware Tools 1824395;1528845857;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nCaj4/?raw=true 1824396;1528845946;ben_vulpes;actually BingoBoingo try http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Hn5N9/?raw=true instead 1824397;1528846367;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824041 << if you decide that the effort is worth the while, i'll referee 1824398;1528846367;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 20:11 asciilifeform: hey phf ! 1824399;1528846433;asciilifeform;phf: do you have now with what to referee ? if i start the contest today, and entry is mailed in, can you test ? 1824400;1528846561;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2018/06/apple-signing-api-used-to-bypass-third-party-anti-malware-tools/#comment-115866 1824401;1528846734;asciilifeform;phf: the way i'm thinking of doing it: i'ma write up and sign a statement describing the competition; you will create a special-occasion key, e.g. 'cr50contest', rate it e.g. +1 cr50 , and i will drop a coin into it. 1824402;1528846756;mircea_popescu;why can't he just use phf ? 1824403;1528846770;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/on-the-internet-nobody-believes-youre-a-sow/ << Trilema - On the internet, nobody believes you're a sow. 1824404;1528846773;asciilifeform;also worx, but this is easier to keep track of if folx want to donate to the pot etc 1824405;1528846787;asciilifeform;phf: you will test using your c101pa. and so you will need the debug snake, i will need to put the output of sysinfo , ver , brd , etc cr50 console commands into the statement. 1824406;1528846799;asciilifeform;the outputs from phf's box. 1824407;1528846801;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine we'll have such a deluge of these the clerical work keeping track is worh the hassle 1824408;1528846846;asciilifeform;maybe deluge, maybe not, but imho worth labeling it in separate bottle. 1824409;1528846871;*;mircea_popescu has no strong feelings either way 1824410;1528846970;asciilifeform;also thinking , half the prize is to be paid immediately on the receipt of a working crack, and other half a month later if google shows no sign of patching. 1824411;1528846980;asciilifeform;to discourage double-dipping. 1824412;1528846982;mircea_popescu;why ? 1824413;1528846989;mircea_popescu;this is utter nonsense. 1824414;1528846997;asciilifeform;for the smart arses who want to collect from us and then immediately google's bounty. 1824415;1528847010;*;mircea_popescu changes asciilifeform 's nick to overengineer, inc. 1824416;1528847027;asciilifeform;i trust the bounty-motivated folk about as far as i can throw'em. 1824417;1528847041;mircea_popescu;"shows to signs" is not a computable string for the phf-machine. 1824418;1528847060;mircea_popescu;no* signs 1824419;1528847069;asciilifeform;it is to be computed as follows : at the end of the elapsed period, i go to a shop and buy a box, and let it vendor-update 1824420;1528847074;asciilifeform;if pill still worx -- pass. 1824421;1528847095;mircea_popescu;you'll end up having to pay like 5 btc for the work involved in this arbitering lol. 1824422;1528847107;asciilifeform;let's see what phf says 1824423;1528847148;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, and if your model is correct, secret waits a month thereby ? what's in a month ? 1824424;1528847161;asciilifeform;in a month, i buy boxen, cure'em. 1824425;1528847165;asciilifeform;simple , neh 1824426;1528847178;asciilifeform;once they're cured, they're cured. 1824427;1528847203;mircea_popescu;your idea is that "what if i don't have enough time to get to the store after contest is declared" ? 1824428;1528847218;asciilifeform;gotta give ~some~ interval. 1824429;1528847221;asciilifeform;dun have to be whole month. 1824430;1528847230;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder what you imagine google is. 1824431;1528847235;asciilifeform;and winner gets his jollies from publishing etc. if he likes. 1824432;1528847250;asciilifeform;i ain't about to try to get people to swear to eternal secrecy. 1824433;1528847272;mircea_popescu;imo it's a way better story if it goes "and then google patched with bated breath WITHIN MINUTES" 1824434;1528847275;asciilifeform;google is a big bag of printolade, is all. 1824435;1528847316;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: crapple patches jailbreaks within day or 2 of learning about'em. 1824436;1528847341;asciilifeform;i have nfi if they do it using coolies in romania working for food, or with what else. but there it is. 1824437;1528847349;mircea_popescu;holy shit oxigen line punctured. aite, ima be back in a few, this just became a hazardous environment o.O 1824438;1528847366;asciilifeform;bahaha mircea_popescu has piped gasses?! 1824439;1528847380;asciilifeform;( can i hit him up for some ln2 when i visit ?? ) 1824440;1528847436;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/texas-struggling-to-produce-non-fouling-bunker-fuel/ << Qntra - Texas Struggling To Produce Non-Fouling Bunker Fuel 1824441;1528847479;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: ty for the lol http://qntra.net/2018/06/texas-struggling-to-produce-non-fouling-bunker-fuel/#comment-115867 1824442;1528847483;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727646 << oblig timis 1824443;1528847483;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 14:54 asciilifeform: aaalso why are there signs warning of buried ~oxygen~ pipes ! 1824444;1528847672;asciilifeform;!Q later tell trinque would it be possible to set up a public address that will auto-add to the pot when sent coin to ? 1824445;1528847672;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1824446;1528847674;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: can i get the copyright r ? 1824447;1528847743;trinque;asciilifeform: just register a nick that represents the pot, have folks !!pay that nick 1824448;1528847744;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent 1 minute ago: would it be possible to set up a public address that will auto-add to the pot when sent coin to ? 1824449;1528847768;asciilifeform;trinque: idea is, heathens could donate anon ( admittedly tall order, that any want to ) 1824450;1528847837;asciilifeform;on 2nd thought possibly bad idea, if contest ends without a winner, what to do about them. 1824451;1528848009;trinque;yep, thing works best if there's always a somebody on the other end, of course. 1824452;1528848040;asciilifeform;trinque: there's a pretty good chance that the prize will not be claimed. 1824453;1528848048;trinque;no such automatic reader of address balance is currently in the loop. process by which I confirm deposits is unspecified, varies. 1824454;1528848052;asciilifeform;aite. 1824455;1528848324;asciilifeform;theoretically as soon as phf gets his snake going, and gives green light, we can start. 1824456;1528848346;phf;asciilifeform: so i was going by http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823998 to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824022 where you lay out your requirements for "successful crack", which make sense 1824457;1528848346;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 19:44 asciilifeform: for my purposes, a proper break is when i can load in arbitrary firmware in place of the vendor's. 1824458;1528848346;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 19:50 asciilifeform: i'ma brb, teatime 1824459;1528848380;asciilifeform;phf: correct, full overwrite of whole 256kB fw space with arbitrary bits . repeatably. 1824460;1528848403;phf;the discussions after that though are all over the place, and introduce some requirements that i don't think i can arbitrate like "didn't leak the code back to google" 1824461;1528848417;asciilifeform;phf: i described a coupla min ago, upthread, how. 1824462;1528848454;asciilifeform;after $time , phf goes and buys, from amazon, a c101pa , and administers the pill. if it is cured just the same as his current one, the other half of prize is to be awarded. 1824463;1528848464;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: It's there now 1824464;1528848467;phf;yes, but if you are going to establish a procedure why do you need an arbitrator, or in other words, i don't see a point of separate arbitrator if the process is your own 1824465;1528848484;asciilifeform;it is to be specified that if during $period the machine becomes unavailable in retail, the 2nd half of prize condition is thereby unmet. 1824466;1528848507;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: ty 1824467;1528848515;asciilifeform;phf: i need an arbiter so as to give players some amt of confidence that rules will not change underneath them. 1824468;1528848606;asciilifeform;and generally treasurer and instigator oughta be different people. as in the trb foundation. 1824469;1528848701;asciilifeform;phf: i fully expect that the winner will want to publish his discovery. hence i would like to give an incentive for him to wait a reasonable time. 1824470;1528848711;asciilifeform;so that i can acquire a supply of curable boxen. 1824471;1528848732;asciilifeform;after that he can go and collect his $500k or whatever, if he can, from enemy. 1824472;1528848769;phf;asciilifeform: i see, i'm sorry, but i don't think i can properly be called a referee under these conditions. i can do independent testing for you though, i.e. test against current c101pa, and against one that i purchase at a time you indicate. 1824473;1528848780;asciilifeform;ok i guess we need a new referee. 1824474;1528848786;asciilifeform;any takers ? 1824475;1528848790;asciilifeform;trinque, wanne be referee ? 1824476;1528848842;asciilifeform;really ideally somebody outside of usa , so they can't simply break down the door 1824477;1528848854;asciilifeform;... jurov ? diana_coman ? 1824478;1528848908;*;trinque lacks the machines and spare hands, and yes, ass located square in natoreich 1824479;1528848943;asciilifeform;if we can't get somebody other than asciilifeform to stand up as referee, can't really have this contest imho. and a pill that gets immediately patched against by enemy , is of no use. 1824480;1528848985;asciilifeform;i'm not about to ask mircea_popescu to buy us 500 boxes prior to discovery of pill. 1824481;1528849071;asciilifeform;it'd be a quite pricey pile of poor hammers. 1824482;1528849209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, in between the tank and the valve, fucking bullshit hecho en mexico nonsense. 1824483;1528849218;mircea_popescu;wtf is this world coming to. i just vented a few m3 into the biodiversidad 1824484;1528849226;asciilifeform;dare i to ask why mircea_popescu keeps the tank around 1824485;1528849244;mircea_popescu;eh, amateur metallurgy is a bdsm mainstay. 1824486;1528849248;mircea_popescu;all the collars and whatnot. 1824487;1528849252;asciilifeform;aaaaa 1824488;1528849277;asciilifeform;i considered o2 for the laser, could cut sheet metal if i substituted o2 in place of the air column, but hesitated, keeping tank in unvented shed is invitation for trouble 1824489;1528849300;mircea_popescu;"oh it dun do anything, it's just oxigen" "sure. until the day it does something, then you'll really see a show" 1824490;1528849305;asciilifeform;phooom 1824491;1528849324;asciilifeform;do the pets know not to grease the threads, lol 1824492;1528849335;asciilifeform;( ever see 'vhs america' film 'man without a face' ? ) 1824493;1528849351;mircea_popescu;i dun recall. which was this ? 1824494;1528849364;mircea_popescu;anyway, grease is gone, all teflon nowadays. 1824495;1528849487;asciilifeform;oh hm orig english title was 'darkman' 1824496;1528849508;asciilifeform;trash film. but included scene where 'drinky bird' with greased head was detonator, under o2 tank 1824497;1528849521;asciilifeform;https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099365/ << subj 1824498;1528849621;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, fwi, "No word from oil insiders on interest in the shambling cryptographic provenance solutions still in search of a problem to solve and customers to buy it; but this has not deterred Team Cockchain ("Smokin' it!" ™®) from announcing eleventeen different projects to disrupt this massive industry from its mother's basement." makes 0 sense to me. 1824499;1528849784;asciilifeform;i had nfi mircea_popescu welded !! world turned upside down!1111 1824500;1528849798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i was just looking on. 1824501;1528849831;asciilifeform;get'em a tig rig. 1824502;1528849857;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824464 << in perhaps better formulation, the very point of having arbiter is so as to avoid exam taking ; the whole point of having "written contract" (import here pizarro's coc, import here the "opposable instrument" thread with trinque, etc) is to permit exam taking. these are contrary design constraints. 1824503;1528849857;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 00:07 phf: yes, but if you are going to establish a procedure why do you need an arbitrator, or in other words, i don't see a point of separate arbitrator if the process is your own 1824504;1528849879;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aite, how wouldja do it ? 1824505;1528849919;mircea_popescu;but i'm not doing it, am i ? i dunno how i'd do it ; i'm also not against exercising the doing it muscle, but commetary is part and parcel of the exercising. 1824506;1528849948;asciilifeform;sure. 1824507;1528849965;mircea_popescu;note however that practice is alligned : when you protested (essentially) that the tits thing is being exam-took, i ignored it, specifically because... it was specified! 1824508;1528849974;mircea_popescu;see what i mean ? 1824509;1528849975;asciilifeform;verily 1824510;1528849998;mircea_popescu;gotta pick what you pick ; and as per the common sense notion, if your job isn't a good fit for any tool, your job's not a well defined job. 1824511;1528850012;asciilifeform;as it is, i'm pretty satisfied with my tentative formulation. 1824512;1528850022;asciilifeform;it is not difficult to mechanically test, either. 1824513;1528850033;mircea_popescu;so then whatcha need arbiter for. 1824514;1528850049;asciilifeform;for not being '1 man band'. 1824515;1528850063;mircea_popescu;what's the problem with that ? 1824516;1528850078;asciilifeform;if i can't get another d00d to play the tuba while i do the drums, what merit can there be in contest. 1824517;1528850122;mircea_popescu;so far it's not altogether clear what specifically other dood's to do. 1824518;1528850238;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824480 << not to mention he still has a pile of whatever they were, from last time. 1824519;1528850238;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 00:16 asciilifeform: i'm not about to ask mircea_popescu to buy us 500 boxes prior to discovery of pill. 1824520;1528850240;asciilifeform;pretty clear imho. obtain a c101pa. obtain the snake ( schematic on asciilifeform's www . ) send to asciilifeform the output of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824405 . then, judge prospective winners , under condition http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824459 . if pill permits overwriting all 256k of the chip, with arbitrary contents , we have a winner. then month later, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824462 . 1824521;1528850240;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 23:39 asciilifeform: phf: you will test using your c101pa. and so you will need the debug snake, i will need to put the output of sysinfo , ver , brd , etc cr50 console commands into the statement. 1824522;1528850240;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 00:06 asciilifeform: phf: correct, full overwrite of whole 256kB fw space with arbitrary bits . repeatably. 1824523;1528850240;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 00:07 asciilifeform: after $time , phf goes and buys, from amazon, a c101pa , and administers the pill. if it is cured just the same as his current one, the other half of prize is to be awarded. 1824524;1528850277;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824502 << right. it's also not a good idea for an arbiter to sign someone else's exam, as if it's anything but. i've offered to run the proposed experiments without arbitrating, but that's not what ascii wants. 1824525;1528850277;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 00:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824464 << in perhaps better formulation, the very point of having arbiter is so as to avoid exam taking ; the whole point of having "written contract" (import here pizarro's coc, import here the "opposable instrument" thread with trinque, etc) is to permit exam taking. these are contrary design constraints. 1824526;1528850281;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pogo ? they're as usable as ever as soon as somebody gets trb into 256MB, lol 1824527;1528850289;mircea_popescu;>D 1824528;1528850320;asciilifeform;phf: i am happy that you are willing to experiment. and if yer not feeling up to the job of contest arbiter, that's allright. 1824529;1528850324;mircea_popescu;by now they cost more in storage than they cost to acquire, even though patriotic republicans' have been eating the cost for us. 1824530;1528850358;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: supply of clean comps will become valuable as the resource dries up, which it shows every sign of heading to do. 1824531;1528850370;asciilifeform;picture if you had piled up x60's 10y ago. 1824532;1528850384;mircea_popescu;in general. but converting the general to practically actionable bits is usually the challenge. 1824533;1528850390;asciilifeform;sure. 1824534;1528850393;mircea_popescu;um... it'd have been a terrible deal. 1824535;1528850402;mircea_popescu;what, x60 are worth money ? 1824536;1528850410;asciilifeform;lol no it wouldn't, i'd prolly buy a coupla dozen. 1824537;1528850415;asciilifeform;and betcha phf ditto 1824538;1528850417;phf;asciilifeform: i'm up for a job of contest arbiter, i don't think that what you're proposing is arbitration. i thought that you're going to give goals, and it's up to me to evaluate if the goals have been achieved. but you want me to merely verify your procedure. that's fine, but that doesn't make me an arbitrator. 1824539;1528850433;asciilifeform;phf: i gave goals, what's the problem again ? 1824540;1528850445;mircea_popescu;the $500 lenovo mini laptop things ?! 1824541;1528850458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the non-ME-intel ones 1824542;1528850464;asciilifeform;actually a pre-lenovo design 1824543;1528850486;asciilifeform;the thing for which asciilifeform made a cured bios 1824544;1528850490;asciilifeform;( and rms falsely claimed to ) 1824545;1528850491;mircea_popescu;i think i have one right here. from ~period. it's a workhorse, sure, and it paid for itself many times over, but... 1824546;1528850575;asciilifeform;point being, yes, in clean and working condition (i.e. with not yet faded tubes, for instance) these are yes valuable. 1824547;1528850578;asciilifeform;and nonrenewable resource. 1824548;1528850592;asciilifeform;remember yer trinitron. 1824549;1528850607;mircea_popescu;somehow i've not bought another. 1824550;1528850615;asciilifeform;betcha you couldn't even if wanted to. 1824551;1528850625;asciilifeform;there are not so many left that have life in'em. 1824552;1528850635;mircea_popescu;i bet you i could, if i wanted to. there's plenty of old crap here. 1824553;1528850641;asciilifeform;precisely OLD crap 1824554;1528850649;asciilifeform;old trinitron, with fade, is worth about fiddybux. 1824555;1528850655;asciilifeform;if that. 1824556;1528850697;asciilifeform;new-in-box , genuine item , was worth about 1k usd few yrs ago. and pretty much extinct last i saw. 1824557;1528850709;mircea_popescu;well like it or not, it's old crap. the thinkpad sitting sadly on a chair is...like 2gb ram and a fucking pentium 1824558;1528850723;asciilifeform;there's oldcrap, and there's simply old. 1824559;1528850729;asciilifeform;oldie goldie. 1824560;1528850791;mircea_popescu;i think you conflate economics and coolness. for one thing, an original trinitron bought the year sony came out with them was like 5k ? or some shit like that. for the other thing, 1k from 1988 is like 10-15k today. so... i don't see the $100k price tag that'd merely cover inflation. 1824561;1528850804;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the same money put in bitcoin went from $2 to whatever the fuck. 1824562;1528850826;asciilifeform;difficult to 'cover the $100k' when lemon market. 1824563;1528850832;mircea_popescu;soooo... 1824564;1528850857;asciilifeform;lemon market is not forever, potentially. 1824565;1528850860;mircea_popescu;same reasoning drives the bolix museumists. 1824566;1528850866;mircea_popescu;and it works ~same for them, too. 1824567;1528850878;asciilifeform;bolix routinely changes hands for price of ~toyoya. 1824568;1528850887;mircea_popescu;and you see the problem with this ? 1824569;1528850907;asciilifeform;i see a number of problems, 'it wasn't worth buying for $ 600' aint one. 1824570;1528850920;mircea_popescu;kim kardashian also routinely changes hands for price of ~lawnmower ; doesn't mean she's any good. they just like having their picture taken with her. 1824571;1528850969;asciilifeform;there's a finite, currently large but monotonically dwindling, number of non-nsa comps. 1824572;1528850974;mircea_popescu;but back to it : i see the value in taking a magic marker to the outside track of google's "drm". i do not see the value in your hairebrained scheme to make a business out of it. 1824573;1528850982;asciilifeform;to precisely price them, is beyond not only asciilifeform , but the gods themselves. 1824574;1528850988;mircea_popescu;(anyone even recall those lulz ?) 1824575;1528851027;asciilifeform;in re pogo in particular, i dun recall a particular +ev biznis plan for'em . they were , in mircea_popescu's exact, iirc, words, a reserve fleet. 1824576;1528851040;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1824577;1528851049;asciilifeform;is what i meant. 1824578;1528851085;mircea_popescu;anyway, the value here is "lol @google", not "oh, ima sell 500 laptops for 0.01 btc profit per". 1824579;1528851094;asciilifeform;incidentally the whole fleet cost about 300 bux; i.e. the cost of 1 c101pa-tron. 1824580;1528851106;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it was a few grand. 1824581;1528851121;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824234 1824582;1528851121;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 21:02 asciilifeform: it isn't even wholly about the machines, from asciilifeform's pov, asciilifeform would like to see the enemy bleed some, hear the laments , see the mules driven before him, etc 1824583;1528851156;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the cost on my end , to buy and transport, was about 300bux. now you can prolly turn this into a few grand, if you compare against 'keep coin in pocket' , sure 1824584;1528851166;asciilifeform;but by this token nothing ever wins against 'keep in pocket' afaik. 1824585;1528851168;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, buy and transport what ? 1824586;1528851174;asciilifeform;pogo container 1824587;1528851183;mircea_popescu;dood, danielpbarron had like a whole crate of them. 1824588;1528851189;asciilifeform;speaking specifically of the one asciilifeform delivered 1824589;1528851194;asciilifeform;i cannot comment on danielpbarron's 1824590;1528851196;mircea_popescu;because why ? 1824591;1528851202;mircea_popescu;lol. mkay. 1824592;1528851210;asciilifeform;because i do not know how many mircea_popescu obtained via danielpbarron , lol 1824593;1528851215;asciilifeform;it wasn't my doing , from that point. 1824594;1528851226;asciilifeform;is all. 1824595;1528851229;mircea_popescu;well, say they were 500 heh ? SINCE IT WAS YOUR NUMBER 1824596;1528851239;asciilifeform;say. 1824597;1528851282;asciilifeform;and if comes the hour that we need 500 clean boxes, for whatever, e.g. unattended shortwave relays, there they are. 1824598;1528851294;mircea_popescu;anyway, your design is dysfunctional in that (even allowing for it modelling somewhat close to reality, which i have no faith it does) suppose today someone gives you a working pill, and june 27th google patches the hole. and the someone says "dood, i have nfi, i honestly didn't tell anyone anything". 1824599;1528851308;asciilifeform;what of it ? 1824600;1528851308;mircea_popescu;it's perfectly possible google just fixed it on their own. and now you want phf to decide this somehow ? fucking how ? 1824601;1528851321;asciilifeform;nope, i do not ask phf to decide. the condition is clean cut, like guillotine. 1824602;1528851331;asciilifeform;hole still worx after month ? 2nd half of prize. no worky ? no 2nd half. 1824603;1528851335;mircea_popescu;and you imagine complicated injustice is better than just a shrug and a pat on the ass ? 1824604;1528851336;asciilifeform;player dun like it ? can stuff it. 1824605;1528851337;mircea_popescu;because it ain't. 1824606;1528851360;asciilifeform;i do not see the injustice. contest can ~only~ operate on facts, not suppositions. 1824607;1528851370;asciilifeform;it literally does not matter to me ~why~ hole got closed on 27th. 1824608;1528851372;mircea_popescu;fact is dood gave you what you wanted. 1824609;1528851377;mircea_popescu;supposition -- entirely on your side. 1824610;1528851383;asciilifeform;because player cannot prove that he did not sell it to google on the 5th. 1824611;1528851392;mircea_popescu;nobody is to be held to prove negatives. 1824612;1528851397;mircea_popescu;you also can't prove you don't have cancer. 1824613;1528851398;asciilifeform;exactly. hence the mechanical cut. 1824614;1528851419;mircea_popescu;i should like to see your oncology clinic. 1824615;1528851424;mircea_popescu;as a visitor only, however. 1824616;1528851441;asciilifeform;understand, i have no use whatsoever for a hole that gets sent to google immediately upon discovery. i would not only not pay a coin for ~that~, but would not pay a $1 bill. 1824617;1528851447;asciilifeform;lol 1824618;1528851486;asciilifeform;at any rate currently i dun even have a referee. chances are that there will be no game. 1824619;1528851520;mircea_popescu;yes, but the key to communication, which is what you do when you try to engage others, is that you step outside of what you have need for, and speak of something ~they~ can relate to. 1824620;1528851526;asciilifeform;sure 1824621;1528851533;mircea_popescu;you may have no need, but putative player has no way to control wtf will hapen in a month. 1824622;1528851547;asciilifeform;he does not, correct. therefore he is to be cognizant that he is taking a chance. 1824623;1528851564;asciilifeform;but in any case it must be in his interest to not immediately run to enemy. 1824624;1528851568;mircea_popescu;well, to me this seems a much larger risk than the possible insolvency of alf. 1824625;1528851583;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu can think of some kindler, gentler means of arranging this incentive, asciilifeform is all ears 1824626;1528851606;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform has NO desire to simply pile btc on top of google's 500k or whatver, bounty. 1824627;1528851652;mircea_popescu;seems to me that if the one is looking to eat out of his work, he'll likely not even know you exist. because the sort of people dumb enough to depend on their daily labour for their sustenance while at the same time smart enough to reverse engineer are a very narrowly defined set. one is guaranteedly pantsuit. 1824628;1528851674;mircea_popescu;whereas if he knows about you, it seems altogether unlikely he'd even consider talking to google about it, and for the same reasons. 1824629;1528851690;mircea_popescu;so... i can't imagine the problem you're trying tro approach even exists, which is why i can't come up with a way to solve it. 1824630;1528851697;asciilifeform;by this logic ( and i suspect that mircea_popescu is right , in earlier thread ) there's no point . 1824631;1528851724;mircea_popescu;well looky, i'm not trying to ruin your fun here, but if yo uwant me to try an follow along ima try as best i can. so far, it's not taking me far. 1824632;1528851738;asciilifeform;if it's dead in the water, what fun. 1824633;1528851762;asciilifeform;i dun ask mircea_popescu to stroke my fur and say 'it will all surely work', the gods gave us mircea_popescu specifically to say 'eh this is dumb' 1824634;1528851786;mircea_popescu;it's not even dumb, it's like a pcb with a large hole in the middle. 1824635;1528851794;asciilifeform;funnily enuff i got one of those right here 1824636;1528851796;asciilifeform;worx great 1824637;1528851800;mircea_popescu;lol 1824638;1528851806;asciilifeform;( it's a radio with air core transformer.. ) 1824639;1528851817;mircea_popescu;"hands off my tube tv!!" 1824640;1528851826;*;asciilifeform recently set up a (rx-only , for nao ) shortwave thing 1824641;1528851862;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50 1824642;1528851862;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1824643;1528851863;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1824644;1528851864;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1824645;1528851866;mircea_popescu;MOAR!1 1824646;1528851869;asciilifeform;lol 1824647;1528851872;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50: hey 1824648;1528851893;phf;asciilifeform: my thinking is that your goals ("didn't leak to google") ought to be separate from the testing procedures ("can buy from amazon in a month"). some of your goals are potentially untestable and it's up to whoever's doing independent verification to come up with the procedure for testing, or dismiss the goal as untestable. then up to you to either find a different arbiter, or agree not to pursue one of the goals. i think that providing both 1824649;1528851893;phf; goals and procedures inadvertently put the arbiter in the position of affirming that the goal has been or been not achieved but without following own procedures. in other words you want me to potentially call that the source has been leaked to google, but rely on a procedure that i can't possibly consider adequate for the verification. 1824650;1528851914;asciilifeform;phf: i'm still waiting to hear why the test algo i proposed, somehow resolves to 'untestable' 1824651;1528851923;asciilifeform;imho it is as testable as 'factor this key' 1824652;1528851929;mircea_popescu;but not as meaningful. 1824653;1528851937;mircea_popescu;"yes, 3=3, however that did not do anything". 1824654;1528851957;asciilifeform;meaningful. i either get a pile of c101pa with rewritable cr50 256kB firmwares, or not. 1824655;1528851961;asciilifeform;pretty simple test. 1824656;1528851962;phf;mircea_popescu: _procedure_ is testable, but it doesn't necessarily verify the _goal_ (following my adhoc terminology above) 1824657;1528851968;phf;err asciilifeform: ^ 1824658;1528851993;asciilifeform;if phf can think of a way to 'game' the 'exam', i'm all ears. 1824659;1528852015;asciilifeform;but the problem of making it impossible ~mechanically~ is unsolvable in the general case. and cannot be done in any contest, this or other. 1824660;1528852020;asciilifeform;hence the role of referee. 1824661;1528852043;asciilifeform;imho i have described enough of a mechanical litmus, that a referee can stand on solid ground. 1824662;1528852102;asciilifeform;phf: if you still feel like refereeing, feel free to propose own set of procedure , to asciilifeform . 1824663;1528852200;asciilifeform;( if 'he made this bizarre algo and i cannot make heads or tails of it' is the obstacle ) 1824664;1528852204;mircea_popescu;consider this : i set up a tent at porcfest, advertising "mp slavegirl intake". and there is sure enough a lengthy line of bikini clad beauties before it. i also put slavegirl in tent, and instruct her to reject the ugly ones. ugliness is "mechanically testably alf 3.o" defined as "lacks third tit". end of day, my slavegirl's pretty downcast. 1824665;1528852218;mircea_popescu;"what the fuck is your problem ?" "i just spent all day telling teenagers they're ugly because they don't have three tits". 1824666;1528852223;phf;i don't think "can still buy and diddle of amazon in a month" is adequate test for "didn't leak the patch to google". but i don't think there's a procedure to test the goal in general (see absence of evidence above). perhaps you could restate the goal, but then whatever restatement i'm not sure it will be under the control of the participant. in fact as mircea_popescu pointed out, a restatement of this particular goal simply introduces a random element 1824667;1528852223;phf; outside of participants control to the game. 1824668;1528852251;asciilifeform;phf: it is impossible to make the receipt of the 2nd half of prize fully in the hands of the player, this is entirely correct. 1824669;1528852259;asciilifeform;however there MUST be some incentive not to go straight to enemy. 1824670;1528852276;mircea_popescu;maybe you should offer marriage 1824671;1528852280;asciilifeform;lol 1824672;1528852285;asciilifeform;i dun swing that way.. 1824673;1528852289;mircea_popescu;a review of extant literaturer shows this is the only known-to-work example of a cut to your problem. 1824674;1528852304;mircea_popescu;well, scholarship only helps in the way it helps, what can i tell you. 1824675;1528852305;phf;gentleman's word, if only there was a mechanism to verify a gentleman's trustworthiness 1824676;1528852313;asciilifeform;i dun see what's wrong with a 'pill WILL work month later, even if you have to go and hbomb google hq' clause. ) 1824677;1528852361;asciilifeform;formulated simply as 'to get other half of prize, it will be the case that vendor update month from submission day, does not contain patch for hole' 1824678;1528852363;mircea_popescu;"get third tit implants!! UGLY FUCKERS!!!" 1824679;1528852368;asciilifeform;lel 1824680;1528852386;mircea_popescu;it may be the case, now and again, that your own fetishes aren't a worldwide concern. 1824681;1528852401;asciilifeform;if were 'worldwide concern' problem'd be licked already, neh. 1824682;1528852404;mircea_popescu;see ? 1824683;1528852415;asciilifeform;hence idea, i put actual coin in. 1824684;1528852425;mircea_popescu;i don't think money works like you think it does. 1824685;1528852431;asciilifeform;likely not ! 1824686;1528852450;asciilifeform;i dun think i actually disagree with mircea_popescu , re: whether there will be a winner. 1824687;1528852460;asciilifeform;quite likely there will not. 1824688;1528852475;asciilifeform;what i would like to avoid, however, is the fucking trannies. 1824689;1528852494;asciilifeform;the 'whinners', if you will. 1824690;1528852507;mircea_popescu;this is a more difficult thing than you think. 1824691;1528852569;asciilifeform;it isn't trivial. but i can only with difficulty picture a contest where it is easier than in this one. 1824692;1528852634;mircea_popescu;the more i think about this, the more i want alf to be in charge of all sorts of things. imagine alf-run horsetrack. 1824693;1528852639;asciilifeform;esp. given a politically reliable ( and why shouldn't he be ) referee. 1824694;1528852655;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do they still have human referees at horse tracks ? i thought it was all laser nao.. 1824695;1528852669;mircea_popescu;"this opera is only good if building not flooded during a nine week interval after itwas played" 1824696;1528852700;mircea_popescu;"to prove it was not insult to god of the rain" 1824697;1528852701;asciilifeform;actually plenty of biznis worx like this. i had a squirrel exterminator make precisely this guarantee, on paper. 1824698;1528852714;mircea_popescu;as a statistical approach. 1824699;1528852721;asciilifeform;'if they reappear in $period, obligated to rework for $0' 1824700;1528852724;mircea_popescu;your remedy is... he comes does it over. 1824701;1528852725;mircea_popescu;right. 1824702;1528852746;asciilifeform;legendarily , in ming china, doctor was paid while patient was alive and healthy 1824703;1528852749;mircea_popescu;hence -- marriage. that prostitution contract whereby if the fuck doesn't take, worker's obliged to re-do. 1824704;1528852772;asciilifeform;we're contemplating a 4 wk marriage, of sorts, i guess. 1824705;1528852780;asciilifeform;if iran can have 4hr marriages, why not this. 1824706;1528852784;mircea_popescu;maybe ~THEY~ don't swing that way ? 1824707;1528852789;asciilifeform;maybe! 1824708;1528852832;asciilifeform;i mean, already ~all i expect from $contest is a slightly taller than usual pile of 'you suxxx!!' mail 1824709;1528852850;mircea_popescu;this is starting to sound like addiction! 1824710;1528852854;asciilifeform;lol 1824711;1528852868;asciilifeform;but if it dun get tried, than it won't have been tried. or sumthinglikethat. 1824712;1528852966;mircea_popescu;i'd like alf state lottery. "if you win and after 10 years are poor, you win again" 1824713;1528852987;asciilifeform;thus far asciilifeform seems to be the only one among the thinking folx who thinks that this idea had any life in it. so i suppose i'll shelf it for nao.. 1824714;1528853015;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: naaa, moar like 'if you win and poor after 10y, we sell you into afghan goat slavery' 1824715;1528853017;mircea_popescu;i think the principal result of the discussion is, "can't have multi-pronged or articulated contests" 1824716;1528853053;mircea_popescu;either can have arbitered contest, which defines a goal in human lang ; or else can have exam, which defines a final state, in machine lang. 1824717;1528853082;asciilifeform;well as i understand it , mircea_popescu dun like one of the proposed goals because it includes an element of chance 1824718;1528853107;asciilifeform;(i.e. 'what if enemy , on own power, finds the hole within $period' ) 1824719;1528853114;mircea_popescu;no, the objection is to the mix. if you want to specify, then you must specify. if you're going to "incluide an element of chance", then the specification pretense is spurious. 1824720;1528853156;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as chainsaws sold with elements of chance. 1824721;1528853162;asciilifeform;what exactly is wrong with 'if, for any reason whatsoever, pill doesn't work in fw released on aug 1, the 2nd half of prize will be returned to the pot contributors' ? 1824722;1528853175;mircea_popescu;that it sounds exatly like a scam. 1824723;1528853186;mircea_popescu;consider : i give you pill, you sell it to google, you tell me it's my fault. 1824724;1528853190;asciilifeform;all contests promising coin sound like scam, neh 1824725;1528853195;asciilifeform;who even believes that coin can be had. 1824726;1528853199;mircea_popescu;or you never even thought of this ? 1824727;1528853204;asciilifeform;of course thought. 1824728;1528853207;mircea_popescu;so then ? 1824729;1528853218;asciilifeform;player only trusts us ( well, referee in person ) in so far as he trusts. 1824730;1528853229;mircea_popescu;and if you want to be trusted, why aren't you trusting ? 1824731;1528853230;asciilifeform;which is 1 reason why such contests are thin on the ground. 1824732;1528853243;asciilifeform;because i trust heathens about as far as i can throw'em ? 1824733;1528853258;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ya. 1824734;1528853295;asciilifeform;i suppose we can revisit $thread if somebody l1 says 'i wanna referee'... 1824735;1528853297;phf;also contest starts around the time that ascii publishes articles on subj, conceivable that someone else decides to look at the cr50, white hats a vulnerability to google. 1824736;1528853307;asciilifeform;phf: also possible ! 1824737;1528853309;asciilifeform;what can i say. 1824738;1528853331;asciilifeform;thing is more or less guaranteed to get some attention in enemy camp. 1824739;1528853360;asciilifeform;on top of whatever massage already done ( and much as i hate to say it, it seems like a fairly high quality boobytrap ) 1824740;1528853388;asciilifeform;y'know, sorta like those italian all-plastic mines with three anti-handling detonators. 1824741;1528853487;asciilifeform;all in all, i'd rather not have the contest at all, than to chance to give coin to fucking alice_m to add coin cherry to the top of a google bounty cake. 1824742;1528853554;asciilifeform;phf: speaking of which, consider the easiest winner , if the anti-patch condition is absent -- a google shitmonkey who knows the hole already and 'wins' on the monday right prior to patch tuesday. 1824743;1528853555;mircea_popescu;it's entirely there, that's exactly how this "foss" shit works, by sexiness. 1824744;1528853559;mircea_popescu;there's even a trilema about it. 1824745;1528853584;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, overwhelmingly likely. 1824746;1528853602;mircea_popescu;and who thereby makes you an instrument of fucking up the market for people who genuinely put sweat in. and so on. 1824747;1528853607;asciilifeform;aha. 1824748;1528853610;phf;asciilifeform: yes. a bounty is open to all comers, even the dude's brother. 1824749;1528853625;asciilifeform;phf: right, hence the '2nd half' clause. 1824750;1528853635;asciilifeform;but if it can't be done to mircea_popescu's satisfaction, i'd rather not do it at all. 1824751;1528853648;mircea_popescu;i tell you i dun see this as it stands. 1824752;1528853655;phf;"wanted: johnny pistolas. $1000 dead or alive. bounty not accepted from relatives." 1824753;1528853676;asciilifeform;phf: no, again, 'bounty not accepted if he turns up alive within month of 'his' head being brought in' 1824754;1528853685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, notice how well arbitering works! i have no way to specify ~whether~ im actually paying a coin into this shipile or not. NOR DO I CARE. i'm just letting you arbiter. 1824755;1528853726;mircea_popescu;phf, "bounty $100 paid for any information of whereabouts of dangerous criminal, except if he shoots the police and escapes" 1824756;1528853741;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu doesn't see how the contest can be set up without creating a refereeing clusterfuck, or enriching alice_m, then i refuse to ask him to put any coin into any such thing. 1824757;1528853822;asciilifeform;but if one of the folx tuned in, knows how to make the binomial add up, plox to write in. 1824758;1528853828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, honestly, it was a pretty entertaining and informatrive discussion, by my lights. what mosfilm always wanted to make and never managed. 1824759;1528853838;asciilifeform;verily. 1824760;1528853875;mircea_popescu;!!up kiboneu 1824761;1528853875;deedbot;kiboneu voiced for 30 minutes. 1824762;1528853892;mircea_popescu;cnomad, having trouble with the dingbat ? 1824763;1528853897;cnomad;yeah 1824764;1528853903;mircea_popescu;do it here. 1824765;1528853914;cnomad;is the competition you guys are referring to for popping that chip? 1824766;1528853921;cnomad;!!up 1824767;1528853922;deedbot;You must be registered. 1824768;1528853926;cnomad;idk w/e 1824769;1528853928;asciilifeform;cnomad: yes 1824770;1528853941;mircea_popescu;trinque, wth ?! 1824771;1528853954;mircea_popescu;!!key cnomad 1824772;1528853956;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/7BD5B50222D7457B9710CF728D6436492F4A69AF.asc 1824773;1528853977;mircea_popescu;cnomad, might have run into some oddball bug or something, we'll see what maintainer sez. 1824774;1528853986;asciilifeform;he doesn't show up in the deedbot www yet 1824775;1528853991;asciilifeform;but possibly that one's nonrealtime 1824776;1528854004;cnomad;so, some advice, if you want -- competition format for long term research is not a great motivator, since it doesn't guarantee that someone will get paid for their time 1824777;1528854016;mircea_popescu;that one -- once a day. but afaik "is registered" == "!!key outputs" 1824778;1528854019;asciilifeform;cnomad: we ain't about to pay for 'tried' 1824779;1528854020;cnomad;like if 2 ppl work on the chip, someone pops it first, 1824780;1528854028;asciilifeform;at least, asciilifeform isn't 1824781;1528854053;cnomad;right but you see what I'm saying? 1824782;1528854058;asciilifeform;certainly. 1824783;1528854072;asciilifeform;there is no solution, however. 1824784;1528854078;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, understand the problem he describes. if arbitrarily prize is 1k, work required to pop is 1k, and 1k people participate, you are likely to pay about 0.5 per unit work. 1824785;1528854094;cnomad;you need to assemble a team of people and pay them according to a statement of work. 1824786;1528854095;mircea_popescu;yes you pay 1k for the pop ; but the long graph of sub-1k effort adds up to maybe even multiples of 1k. 1824787;1528854101;asciilifeform;yes, and there is not actually, afaik, any possibility of a solution to such a problem. 1824788;1528854115;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima be off to steaks. laters! 1824789;1528854119;cnomad;success isn't guaranteed but you could make a lot of headway for future research 1824790;1528854128;cnomad;anyway, just food for thought 1824791;1528854128;trinque;gpg: 7BD5B50222D7457B9710CF728D6436492F4A69AF: skipped: unusable public key 1824792;1528854129;asciilifeform;cnomad: i ain't about to sponsor a team of lunch eaters. 1824793;1528854135;trinque;as the case tends to be 1824794;1528854140;trinque;so lemme go see why 1824795;1528854181;trinque;expired, as usual. 1824796;1528854187;asciilifeform;cnomad: idea of contest, i found appealing because 1) inexpensive 2) simple , relatively, to administer, and does not require 'teams' of jobsworths. 1824797;1528854192;trinque;cnomad: why did you put an expired key into poor deedbot? 1824798;1528854195;cnomad;no it expires in november 1824799;1528854201;cnomad;prolly looking at a subkey 1824800;1528854225;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qtQcw/?raw=true 1824801;1528854236;asciilifeform;cnomad: all of your subkeys seem to have expired 1824802;1528854237;trinque;I'm looking at what ended up in deedbot's keyring when you fed it that key 1824803;1528854246;asciilifeform;the newest, in 2016. 1824804;1528854276;asciilifeform;are you posting through a time-warp, cnomad ? 1824805;1528854310;asciilifeform;cnomad: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7Gkmk/?raw=true << subj 1824806;1528854344;cnomad;pub rsa4096/0x8D6436492F4A69AF 2015-11-14 [SC] [expires: 2018-11-10] 1824807;1528854346;cnomad; 7BD5B50222D7457B9710CF728D6436492F4A69AF 1824808;1528854348;cnomad;uid [ultimate] Kiboneu <*@kibon.eu> 1824809;1528854350;cnomad;sub rsa4096/0x493D43E595D52480 2015-11-14 [E] [expires: 2018-11-10] 1824810;1528854356;asciilifeform;not in this key !! 1824811;1528854366;trinque;also use the paster next time 1824812;1528854368;asciilifeform;the paste shows what is in the key that deedbot saw. 1824813;1528854406;asciilifeform;cnomad: somehow you gave deedbot a key from before you re-signed the rsa4096/0x8D6436492F4A69AF one 1824814;1528854415;asciilifeform;( prolly you kept it around somewhere ? ) 1824815;1528854437;cnomad;oh 1824816;1528854442;cnomad;i guess i didn't update my site 1824817;1528854444;cnomad;one moment 1824818;1528854467;*;asciilifeform did this at least 1ce, prior to 'fucking, i'ma dispense with the expiration nonsense' 1824819;1528854525;cnomad;ok update my site 1824820;1528854529;cnomad;anyway 1824821;1528854557;cnomad;it might be harder to assemble a team than a contest, but you'll prolly have better results 1824822;1528854571;asciilifeform;revisiting upstack : i categorically refuse to pay for any cr50 related work that does not produce a working and practically applicable pill. because there is no way to ensure that 'paid to advance art' rather than 'paid 10 derps' mortgages and student loans' 1824823;1528854593;cnomad;well that's where reputation comes into play 1824824;1528854608;asciilifeform;cnomad: on the contrary, the shitstack that passes for modern pc and its soft, is result of 'hire a team'. 1824825;1528854613;asciilifeform;i want no part of this. 1824826;1528854640;cnomad;heh 1824827;1528854642;cnomad;ok 1824828;1528854665;asciilifeform;it'd be an invitation for every possible fucking parasite, not to mention 'law abiding citizens' etc 1824829;1528854724;asciilifeform;cnomad: at any rate, if you read today's log, you will know that there probably will not be any such contest. 1824830;1528854740;asciilifeform;seems like nobody can figure out a satisfying set of rules. 1824831;1528854788;trinque;cnomad: expect me to go looking for your key or what? 1824832;1528854809;asciilifeform;cnomad: you gotta re-reg that key, if you want it to work 1824833;1528854815;asciilifeform;with the nonexpired one. 1824834;1528854826;trinque;no, he has to hand it to me now in a paste 1824835;1528854831;asciilifeform;aa 1824836;1528854832;cnomad;trinque: https://kibon.eu/kiboneu.asc 1824837;1528854879;trinque;no, I'm not doing this for you again in November. 1824838;1528854886;cnomad;ok then don't 1824839;1528854897;asciilifeform;cnomad: i recommend to switch off expiration, it never did anybody any good. 1824840;1528854913;cnomad;i'll get to it when i get to it 1824841;1528854917;asciilifeform;( there is a historic thread on the subj, that i cannot presently find ) 1824842;1528854953;trinque;what's this 14 year old cunt routine now? 1824843;1528854990;asciilifeform;trinque: cut the fella a bit of slack, he doesn't yet grasp that he's come to olympus, thinks he's in village pub still 1824844;1528855000;trinque;this isn't comcast technical support, might find me getting to it when I get to it too. 1824845;1528855018;cnomad;you're the one who asked me 1824846;1528855020;cnomad;lol 1824847;1528855031;cnomad;anyway, good luck with your project 1824848;1528855061;asciilifeform;doubt we'll be seeing him again. 1824849;1528855151;asciilifeform;might have to wait another yr to get a new n00b with half a brain. 1824850;1528855197;asciilifeform;( i daren't to even dream about finding ones with ~whole~ ) 1824851;1528855271;asciilifeform;'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' -- asciilifeform's grandfather . 1824852;1528855607;trinque;deedbot has to be one of the longest running and most reliable services here 1824853;1528855637;asciilifeform;i have 0 complaint re deedbot. 1824854;1528855646;asciilifeform;nor do i expect trinque to massage folx on demand and for phree. 1824855;1528855696;asciilifeform;i'dve let this one live tho. 1824856;1528855760;trinque;I dun recall kicking, or even telling the guy to leave. 1824857;1528855796;asciilifeform;'14 year old cunt routine' to uninvested intelligent n00b is not so diff. but watever. 1824858;1528855928;asciilifeform;possibly easily disheartened folk, we're better without, this is defensible. i've nfi. 1824859;1528855990;*;trinque stopped what he was doing to help, guy couldn't lift a finger. 1824860;1528856045;asciilifeform;d00d prolly saw 'wtf masonic ritual, why am i here, in kitchen there is vodka and it won't drink itself' 1824861;1528856055;asciilifeform;but sure. 1824862;1528856184;asciilifeform;speaking of which, i'ma bbl. 1824863;1528860771;*;mod6 is finally caught up 1824864;1528860774;mod6;evenin' 1824865;1528860885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, did you just cost me a dime ? 1824866;1528860908;mircea_popescu;in other news, this doris thing sure knows its steaks! 1824867;1528861370;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824822 << the sad part is that work has to be done whether it produces anything or not. 1824868;1528861370;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 01:49 asciilifeform: revisiting upstack : i categorically refuse to pay for any cr50 related work that does not produce a working and practically applicable pill. because there is no way to ensure that 'paid to advance art' rather than 'paid 10 derps' mortgages and student loans' 1824869;1528861388;mircea_popescu;though, amusingly, the costa rican standard of food service is "solo bueno", which literally means they'll waive charges for items you didn;t like. 1824870;1528861755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if d00d never returns, he'll get gc'd at some point, neh 1824871;1528861767;mircea_popescu;not afaik ? 1824872;1528861771;asciilifeform;( trinque , what exactly is done to these ? ) 1824873;1528861809;mircea_popescu;i'm in an impossible situation, on one hand this happens to be the correct approach i'm deploying, not dumbass contests. on the other... 1824874;1528861820;mircea_popescu;"oh, don't send bitcoin to noobs unprepared to appreciate what it is". 1824875;1528861823;mircea_popescu;fuck me rwanda. 1824876;1528861852;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform doesn't throw coins at folx who aint even truly born yet. but asciilifeform worx with much smaller budget . 1824877;1528861893;mircea_popescu;and how do you get them to "truly born" ? 1824878;1528861934;asciilifeform;varies. i dun recall e.g. spyked , or ave1 , getting coin thrown at 1824879;1528861965;asciilifeform;( tho iirc ave1 did get a FG at some point ) 1824880;1528861982;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what you're talking aboot. 1824881;1528862021;trinque;any transfers the dood got are right there, waiting for him to politely give me a nonexpiring key 1824882;1528862268;asciilifeform;trinque: out of curiosity, how come deedbot even cares re the expir date thing ? 1824883;1528862289;asciilifeform;what's the win 1824884;1528862402;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc the track record of folx given 'easy' coin early in their life as a wotperson, is poor 1824885;1528862415;asciilifeform;e.g. kanzure 1824886;1528862428;mircea_popescu;oh , he got anything ? 1824887;1528862439;asciilifeform;you gave him whole coin ! 1824888;1528862442;asciilifeform;sight unseen 1824889;1528862445;mircea_popescu;but yeah, i guess it's becoming quite the antisignal huh. 1824890;1528862530;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu also gave asciilifeform whole coin in 2012. but bahaha asciilifeform gave it back with interest. so duncount!111 ) 1824891;1528862547;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, you and the blondy chick. recall her ? 1824892;1528862555;asciilifeform;hm which one 1824893;1528862601;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/ 1824894;1528862631;asciilifeform;aa ! 1824895;1528862641;asciilifeform;she did even better , yea 1824896;1528862652;mircea_popescu;2013, softer market. 1824897;1528863643;lobbes;phew. I tell you, if there's one thing a dumbphone is good for it is for keeping up with mega-logs while out and about 1824898;1528863780;mircea_popescu;i believe. 1824899;1528873756;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824467 <- hm, that sounds more like a guarantor of sorts than an arbiter? 1824900;1528873756;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 00:08 asciilifeform: phf: i need an arbiter so as to give players some amt of confidence that rules will not change underneath them. 1824901;1528891984;spyked;revisiting the allwinner arm blobulism discussion for a moment (re. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821639 and maybe other threads). I've looked at the olimex shithub repo ( https://github.com/OLIMEX/DIY-LAPTOP/tree/master/SOFTWARE/A64-TERES ) and there are indeed some binaries that I can't trace to any source, namely: the kbd firmware and the 'scp.bin' blob. olimex also include a boot0.bin (no idea why, since this is also generated 1824902;1528891984;a111;Logged on 2018-06-08 13:41 asciilifeform: re upstack -- i do not currently have an 'allwinner', cannot comment re its uboot definitively. 1824903;1528891990;spyked;by uboot) and a 'bl31.bin' (again, no idea why, bl31 "secure runtime" crap is part of arm bsp). 1824904;1528892252;spyked;I've also found some work aimed at replacing some blobs ( https://github.com/crust-firmware/crust ), but I've currently no way of checking whether that really works (don't have an allwinner board atm), so this is where my digging stopped. 1824905;1528894354;mircea_popescu;spyked, ill tell you why. cuz most "geeks" that are "interested" can't compile anything. 1824906;1528894370;mircea_popescu;if you include the bins they get to play-pretend along. MOAR USERS 1824907;1528894416;mircea_popescu;scp.bin prolly implements scp (securecopy) 1824908;1528894453;mircea_popescu;as in http://pentestmonkey.net/blog/rbash-scp 1824909;1528894541;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824587 dpb sent the crate to me, don't remember whether he kept some. i planned hosting, recently found out the designated "colo" place got rainwater leaks, postponed 1824910;1528894541;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 00:53 mircea_popescu: dood, danielpbarron had like a whole crate of them. 1824911;1528894556;mircea_popescu;ah! 1824912;1528894581;mircea_popescu;jurov, don't worry about it or anything, i mostly use it as an ideal construct to smack alf over the head with educationally. 1824913;1528894586;spyked;mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs, http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip. 1824914;1528894736;mircea_popescu;oh 1824915;1528894748;mircea_popescu;i confess my guess was based on ~nothing. 1824916;1528894964;spyked;(I also have no idea what "scp" would stand for in this case. fun fact: all the open sourced bits for "sunxi" SoCs are full of comments in chinese, so they could have named it 馬公雞, same thing) 1824917;1528895168;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, some chick named her account illuminaughty. 1824918;1528895223;mircea_popescu;intelligence and a working intellect exist online like uranium in the fucking sea. "it's definitely there!" "really ? go get some ?" "ummm...." 1824919;1528895306;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1824920;1528895307;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1824921;1528895363;mircea_popescu;aand who might you be, loper_os_cr50 1824922;1528896250;asciilifeform;spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824913 << i picked rockchip for the arm64 experiments ~specifically~ for not having this. 1824923;1528896250;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 12:56 spyked: mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs, http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip. 1824924;1528896628;asciilifeform;( and not, as some might think, using a dartboard, lol ) 1824925;1528896651;asciilifeform;allloser chipset -- suxx. 1824926;1528896884;spyked;yeah. well, as to how it specifically sux, it's now in the logs. prev. discussions had me believing that it's a potential alternative to the rockchip. 1824927;1528896888;asciilifeform;!!up loper_os_cr50_ 1824928;1528896889;deedbot;loper_os_cr50_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1824929;1528896895;asciilifeform;loper_os_cr50_: hello ? 1824930;1528896932;asciilifeform;spyked: it is an alternative, of sorts. but quite intel-like in re blobulism, is the idea. 1824931;1528897037;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824918 << eh U in the sea is ~plentiful~ in comparison ! 1824932;1528897037;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 13:07 mircea_popescu: intelligence and a working intellect exist online like uranium in the fucking sea. "it's definitely there!" "really ? go get some ?" "ummm...." 1824933;1528897059;asciilifeform;( you can reliably get it out! merely -ev energywise ) 1824934;1528897084;mircea_popescu;i... also can... 1824935;1528897093;asciilifeform;lolyes 1824936;1528897119;mircea_popescu;scaling encounters some problems. 1824937;1528897152;asciilifeform;'world's greatest magician cannot pull a rabbit out of a hat unless the rabbit is actually in the hat' or how did it go. 1824938;1528897462;mircea_popescu;it's there, they're just all effectually crippled. like dood that has enough sense to not try going at it without fume hood who nevertheless doesn't enough sense to recognize that "you asked for it" is a very poor excuse indeed for registering an expired key. 1824939;1528897491;asciilifeform;lol maybe he read our mega-thread re how gpg expiration is bogus 1824940;1528897503;mircea_popescu;it's the exact equivalent of "aluminum is not available in the crust [because it's chemically bound with crap so strongly we don't know how to tear it apart [until electrolysis is made possible by cheap electricity]]". 1824941;1528897602;mircea_popescu;"even the greatest magician can't produce metallic aluminum from sample until he has hydro plant" 1824942;1528897603;asciilifeform;aha, similar. ( in washington there is a gigantic monument , tipped with fist-sized piece of aluminum, pre-electrolysis / alcoa co. , when it was priceless ; prior to being installed on monument, thing was exhibited in new york, folx were permitted to... step over it, in a museum, 'i stepped over washington's monument!11' ) 1824943;1528899957;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824917 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlTnKsekQMs 1824944;1528899957;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 13:06 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, some chick named her account illuminaughty. 1824945;1528900016;mod6;mornin' 1824946;1528900018;phf;Vexual: didn't make it all the way to catskills, Shawangunk "the gunks" Ridge 1824947;1528902903;asciilifeform;meanwhile , in sad noose, cr50 apparently would be a 1st-class bitch to fully replace, it ( among errything else ) also does the power brick negotiation thing 1824948;1528902924;asciilifeform;( usb-c bricks output no voltage until elaborately asked, via somewhat gnarly serial protocol ) 1824949;1528902967;asciilifeform;granted, the details are all in the sores. 1824950;1528903020;asciilifeform;'smart' power supplies, srsly, plague 1824951;1528903506;mircea_popescu;it really should be discouraged. 1824952;1528903517;asciilifeform;discouraged lol. it's a pestilence. 1824953;1528903519;mircea_popescu;i'd rather have replacement brick than entertain this. 1824954;1528903532;asciilifeform;i'd like a whole replacement machine, sure. 1824955;1528903615;asciilifeform;( incidentally, the 'now you can charge from ordinary usb!' was a bait-and-switch crock of shit, plugging usb-c into ordinary usb doesn't supply even 10% of the needed current, what the thing does with its brick is to negotiate a much higher voltage, up to iirc 40v ) 1824956;1528903665;asciilifeform;admittedly the brick is a standard part, rather than a googlism. but still ugly. 1824957;1528903716;mircea_popescu;this "smart" things trend is fucking intolerable. 1824958;1528903769;asciilifeform;oblig : http://thomas-grogan.com/drm-chair << 'smart' chair. 1824959;1528903811;asciilifeform;there was an earlier version of this lul, where it had a credit card reader and retractable spikes, but i cannot now find it, it was from early age of drmism 1824960;1528903966;asciilifeform;http://wearcam.org/seatsale/ << oh here it is. 1824961;1528903989;asciilifeform;2001. 1824962;1528904102;asciilifeform;i'm almost surprised that it didn't take off commercially. 1824963;1528904132;asciilifeform;fritz chip, when senator fritz first demanded it, was seen as ~equally sad joke. but nao life. 1824964;1528904185;mircea_popescu;i find it SO fucking infuriating the all-soviet pioneer morons actually go about pretending like that idiocy is ~anything but~ the most laughable thing ever... 1824965;1528904214;mircea_popescu;really, it's fucking time to express how this bs is not socially acceptable by social exclusion, ostracism and violence. 1824966;1528904224;mircea_popescu;no fucking tolerance for the pantsuit jesus fucking christ wtf. 1824967;1528904231;asciilifeform;the time was 1995 or so. 1824968;1528904262;asciilifeform;today the tumour is the size of a beagle, and the patient is almost nowhere to be seen 1824969;1528904340;mircea_popescu;hey, i beat hippies in the 90s until my hands fell off. 1824970;1528904371;mircea_popescu;somehow apparently they all went home to sulk and make tardbook accounts. 1824971;1528904392;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform in his old flat killed vermin with poison, traps, in the end with own hands and crowbar, didn't reduce population of mice and rats in the city noticeable. 1824972;1528904397;asciilifeform;*noticeably 1824973;1528904436;asciilifeform;seems like the approach has limitations 1824974;1528904489;mircea_popescu;yeah, the limitation being all the fucktarded nurturing idiots in the "civilised world". 1824975;1528904531;mircea_popescu;it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch." 1824976;1528904532;BingoBoingo;Reddit bags and live reddit bagcams 1824977;1528904666;mircea_popescu;instead of telling daughter how she'd better take 1st place at tailhooker's coed beauty contest if she wants any supper, there she was "raising awareness" about "equality in the workplace". well now! 1824978;1528904935;BingoBoingo;Al Gore, end of History! 1824979;1528906110;BingoBoingo;In other parasites: "The University of Oxford is being mocked for an email in which administrators suggested that the "highly developed social conscience" of students draws homeless people to the city of Oxford" 1824980;1528906145;mircea_popescu;paduche la paduche trage. 1824981;1528908312;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in intelisms, 'the content of FP registers owned by another process can be speculatively detected...' etc 1824982;1528908416;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824947 << heh, of course i just received mine today. 1824983;1528908416;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 15:15 asciilifeform: meanwhile , in sad noose, cr50 apparently would be a 1st-class bitch to fully replace, it ( among errything else ) also does the power brick negotiation thing 1824984;1528908436;asciilifeform;phf: didja build the snake ? 1824985;1528908459;phf;started yesterday evening, haven't finished yet. probably today or tomorrow 1824986;1528908462;asciilifeform;it's still conceivable that we find overflow in tty or spi slave etc handlers, or the like 1824987;1528908518;phf;well, if we don't, i'll see if i can get an unlock through corporate channels, and just use it as a one off machine 1824988;1528908519;asciilifeform;and i'm still curious what an elephant-killing dose of gamma would do to the cr50. 1824989;1528908569;asciilifeform;( per the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822402 discussion ) 1824990;1528908569;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 15:46 asciilifeform: one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing 1824991;1528908696;asciilifeform;phf: i was thinking of producing a coupla dozen snakes, to hand out to people, but per yesterday's mircea_popescu thread it seems not to be worth it 1824992;1528909006;phf;asciilifeform: i think you _might've_ misunderstood the thread. the point seem to have been not so much that the whole attempt is pointless, but it's the framing that was questionable. if you make a couple of snakes and send them at own expense to interested l1/l2, i don't see how it won't be worthwhile. we just don't have any idle reversers, who want to take a stab at it for the lulz, available at the moment. 1824993;1528909021;asciilifeform;possibly 1824994;1528909042;asciilifeform;any folx in l1 who would like to saw away at c101pa but lack the snake ? plox to write in . 1824995;1528909067;asciilifeform;l2, even. 1824996;1528909136;asciilifeform;iirc i pointed this out in recent past, same snake can be used to tickle recent intel boxes also. ( but i have not explored this. ) 1824997;1528909191;asciilifeform;pretty much every machine with usb-c, afaik, will respond to it. 1824998;1528909227;asciilifeform;( e.g. certain 'android' pnojes ) 1824999;1528910662;phf;asciilifeform: "Sadly, the result of loading this URL was… a _a_ GMail login prompt. So I log in with a GMail account, and get:" 1825000;1528910875;asciilifeform;phf: fixed, ty 1825001;1528911167;asciilifeform;phf: out of curiosity, what didja mean re 'corporate channels' ? 1825002;1528911174;asciilifeform;got insider in the belly of the beast? 1825003;1528911212;asciilifeform;afaik they dun sell rma codes for money 1825004;1528911275;asciilifeform;( unlike, say, certain pnoje makers, where you ~can~ ransom the unlock ) 1825005;1528911333;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that the 'rma unlock' thing is used during factory refurb, so asus et al prolly have it 1825006;1528911876;phf;asciilifeform: i suspect chromeos partner console is on a need to have basis. if it's just oem partners, then i'm out of luck, but if there's some flexibility there, then yes, there are official channels 1825007;1528911937;asciilifeform;phf: see if you can get 1, if can also get 2... it'd be useful for glitching experiments 1825008;1528912209;asciilifeform;...and potentially for dpa experiment. rma unlock , turns out , generates a disposable seekrit ( good for N tries, i fughet what N is ) , encrypts to google's ecc pubkey, and expects to be given the magic string back, to unlock 1825009;1528912225;asciilifeform;in a rigged fw, could run this routine and watch for dpa correlates. 1825010;1528912271;asciilifeform;the 'add 5% random NOPs during hashing' is not a watertight pill against dpa. 1825011;1528912291;asciilifeform;but would need at least 1 actually popped cr50 chip, to tune the probe. 1825012;1528912360;asciilifeform;if one could guess the 32byte magic even 0.01% of the time, could unlock a unit in a day or three. 1825013;1528912590;asciilifeform;likewise, with a popped unit it will be possible to take multi-GB samples of the onboard rng, and examine this. 1825014;1528916172;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'The signature verification routine in Enigmail 2.0.6.1, GPGTools 2018.2, and python-gnupg 0.4.2 parse the output of GnuPG 2.2.6 with a “--status-fd 2” option, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary signatures via the embedded “filename” parameter in OpenPGP literal data packets, if the user has the verbose option set in their gpg.conf file.' 1825015;1528916192;asciilifeform;and '...interprets user ids as status/control messages and does not correctly keep track of the status of multiple signatures, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary email signatures via public keys containing crafted primary user ids.' etc 1825016;1528916311;BingoBoingo;This country https://i.imgur.com/Zj8UjUj.gifv 1825017;1528916394;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: oblig : https://img.rl0.ru/da67425f076e7e571c331f7c178db99b/c615x400/news.rambler.ru/img/2018/01/16194608.333147.9461.jpeg 1825018;1528916448;BingoBoingo;4srs 1825019;1528916494;*;asciilifeform actually bought some matte and prepared what he thought was the traditional чифир-style tea, on coming home from BingoBoingo , was woozy for whole day 1825020;1528916528;BingoBoingo;It can do that 1825021;1528916548;asciilifeform;amazing, sometimes, what people will drink. 1825022;1528916610;BingoBoingo;Definitely, out of curiosity what kind of Yerba was it? 1825023;1528916626;asciilifeform;dunno, box was labeled simply 'matte' 1825024;1528916640;BingoBoingo;Any stick and twigs? 1825025;1528916648;asciilifeform;definitely sticks, twigs. 1825026;1528916656;BingoBoingo;Ah, Argentino crap 1825027;1528916667;asciilifeform;classic chifir material. 1825028;1528916781;BingoBoingo;The uruguayos prefer a stronger hit, nothing but leaves and powder 1825029;1528917198;BingoBoingo;But, a big difference is they don't boil the mate water with toxic plant material already inside it 1825030;1528917668;asciilifeform;i didn't either, lol 1825031;1528917680;BingoBoingo;AH 1825032;1528918018;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825027 << traditionally chifir is made with http://fb.ru/misc/i/gallery/44825/1701533.jpg 1825033;1528918018;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 19:04 asciilifeform: classic chifir material. 1825034;1528918039;phf;even back in shalamov days they made it "со слоном" 1825035;1528918383;asciilifeform;funnily enuff that stuff is still sold 1825036;1528918385;asciilifeform;right here in usa even 1825037;1528918407;asciilifeform;point was, the matte people prepare their leaves the same, compl with stems. 1825038;1528918447;asciilifeform;no slon on the box, but same grade of grass shaving rubbish. 1825039;1528918481;phf;ah ah 1825040;1528918758;BingoBoingo;Related: https://www.subrayado.com.uy/demolieron-bocas-venta-drogas-que-estaban-construidas-predios-publicos-n506403 << Early morning (7am!!!) drug raid nets 125,000 pesos and 900 USD. 20 kilos of assorted drugs. 5 houses bulldozed. Entire barrio of Malvin Norte shut down during the lollarity 1825041;1528918808;BingoBoingo; point was, the matte people prepare their leaves the same, compl with stems. << In argentina and (apparently) DC. Here they are like pot smokers and frown on stems. 1825042;1528918939;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile a Police officer attempted to get a firearm into "Penal de Libertad" (The Freedom Prison) by stuffing it in a Nintendo https://www.subrayado.com.uy/funcionario-intento-ingresar-un-arma-escondida-una-consola-videojuegos-n506311 1825043;1528919658;phf;heh, the kommuniti consensus around recent intel bugs is "don't do crypto on cpu, that's what tpm is for" 1825044;1528920291;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1825045;1528920317;mircea_popescu;!!up loper_os_cr50 1825046;1528920317;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1825047;1528920952;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824856 << to be plain, the argument is "hey, you just watched this dood produce broken reasoning in the vein of replacing 'it is my responsibility to register you rightly told me i fucked up the process, for which i am ashamed as i should be, it is after all my responsibility to have my keys' with 'you asked me to register [therefore you somehow owe me somthing, you totally weren't pointing 1825048;1528920952;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 02:09 trinque: I dun recall kicking, or even telling the guy to leave. 1825049;1528920952;mircea_popescu;out my factual and utterly obvious shortcoming], i'm doing you a favour, tough breaks for you that '''the server''' was out of date [which totally isn't my failure, inasmuch as it was my server, that's why i keep it around, to randomly dissociate when things happen]' without skipping a beat. it's therefore reasonable to expect similar breaks from reality to be triggered in similar circumstances. inasmuch as the setting broken 1825050;1528920952;mircea_popescu; bones hospital doesn't jump on the broken bones to make the point the bones are broken, might as well abstain from pointing out to 14 yo cunts captive in 40yo reverse engineer's bodies that they're transparently and for everyone evidently 14 yo cunts." 1825051;1528920973;mircea_popescu;that said : i don't specifically care either way, but now explicitly. 1825052;1528921048;mircea_popescu;in any case, the "unhappenings" we've been laughing at aren't ~alien~ technology. they're how the victims of child abuse react to the world "naturally", in the sense of, having had it browbeat into them by the shameful harpies of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824975 ; both in the family and at "school" / football practice / we. 1825053;1528921048;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch." 1825054;1528921176;mod6;Hi all, Pizarro is working on some advertising materials - in particular banner ads that can be placed on blogs / sites. We'll be coming up with some sort of amount we can pay for advertisers per month to have this up on their homepages / main pages. 1825055;1528921190;trinque;it's fair; I can be slightly more tolerant of noobery 1825056;1528921211;mod6;I just created one, and I encourage all involved to throw their hat in the ring. Typical sizing I have found for these are: 446px x 63px 1825057;1528921215;mircea_popescu;trinque, hey, i'm specifically not even asking you to. fuck them, let them learn to live in the world before asking the world to change to accomodate. 1825058;1528921228;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_banner1.png 1825059;1528921234;trinque;aite 1825060;1528921263;mircea_popescu;but you can also directly see how it's now a case of "oh, i didn't shake hands with mp RETROACTIVELY because I SAY SO" and all the rest of the http://trilema.com/2018/the-problem-with-christians/ bullshit just from there. 1825061;1528921275;mircea_popescu;they're christians, ergo stupid, what can you do. nobody knows. 1825062;1528921319;mircea_popescu;mod6, are you passively asking me something ? because if yes then yes, a) very slow and b) why so passive about it. 1825063;1528921350;mod6;Not asking thing from you, no. 1825064;1528921374;mircea_popescu;kk. 1825065;1528921403;mod6;I want to get more advertising for Pizarro going, and I thought I would just drop this in here so other republicans are aware if they wanna help pitch in on the banner effort. 1825066;1528921420;mircea_popescu;ever looked into the clickbank thing ? 1825067;1528921429;mod6;No, will take a look. 1825068;1528921515;lobbes;Nifty mod6. Likewise, I'll add 'banner ad space for sale' to my radar as I continue to filter the ocean 1825069;1528921543;mod6;lobbes: cool! 1825070;1528921630;mod6;I was thinking that if L1/L2 people around here want to emplace a banner on their blog to help drive some traffic to PizzaroISP.net and earn some btc, let us know. 1825071;1528921639;mircea_popescu;lobbes, you figure out the clickbank too. 1825072;1528921645;mircea_popescu;it'll have to be figured out. 1825073;1528921650;mod6;Meanwhile, yeah, we'll be looking into other sites, etc. 1825074;1528921677;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824992 << something like that. 1825075;1528921677;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 16:56 phf: asciilifeform: i think you _might've_ misunderstood the thread. the point seem to have been not so much that the whole attempt is pointless, but it's the framing that was questionable. if you make a couple of snakes and send them at own expense to interested l1/l2, i don't see how it won't be worthwhile. we just don't have any idle reversers, who want to take a stab at it for the lulz, available at the moment. 1825076;1528921773;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825006 << i'll certainly be very interested of hearing a yes/no to this, secretly even, because so far i've not been getting anywhere (as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824240 etc ). curious if perhaps im doing something wrong. 1825077;1528921773;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 17:44 phf: asciilifeform: i suspect chromeos partner console is on a need to have basis. if it's just oem partners, then i'm out of luck, but if there's some flexibility there, then yes, there are official channels 1825078;1528921773;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 21:04 mircea_popescu: also, i can say it is extremely unlikely your preliminary "thousands" figure is correct. 1825079;1528921806;ben_vulpes;second step in clickbank signup is "who do you bank with and what's your ssn" 1825080;1528921882;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes, the reason it's interesting is that it is the de-facto home of ~anyone left who's still doing cpa. 1825081;1528921910;mircea_popescu;sorta like you trying to get into porn -- you can't complain about "having trouble with gfy.com", and so on. 1825082;1528921960;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825015 << what "software development" even is for. this great foss movement that gave us so many wonderful things, such as a firm guarantee to the usg that there's AT LEAST a little idiocy in everyone's computer no matter what. 1825083;1528921960;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 18:56 asciilifeform: and '...interprets user ids as status/control messages and does not correctly keep track of the status of multiple signatures, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary email signatures via public keys containing crafted primary user ids.' etc 1825084;1528922119;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825019 << i'm pretty sure that's the point, they can't afford pot but gotta be as spacey as proper californians to not burn down the entire fucking country. and so... 1825085;1528922119;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 19:01 asciilifeform actually bought some matte and prepared what he thought was the traditional чифир-style tea, on coming home from BingoBoingo , was woozy for whole day 1825086;1528922238;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825040 << they have that stuff here too, "arrested drug ring, confiscated a few benjies in currency". it always boggles the mind. 1825087;1528922238;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 19:39 BingoBoingo: Related: https://www.subrayado.com.uy/demolieron-bocas-venta-drogas-que-estaban-construidas-predios-publicos-n506403 << Early morning (7am!!!) drug raid nets 125,000 pesos and 900 USD. 20 kilos of assorted drugs. 5 houses bulldozed. Entire barrio of Malvin Norte shut down during the lollarity 1825088;1528922409;mircea_popescu;lobbes, alternatively, if you find actually interesting banner selling ppl i'll both pay you for the effort and buy their banners to help take some load off zee pizarro. you have almost enough here to start your own "digital media" agency, just need to hire some worthless ditzen now and is all set! 1825089;1528922618;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the uruguay locals ? they eat (yes, eat) pot by the pound, it looked like 1825090;1528922627;asciilifeform;street vendors errywhere peddling 'magic pies' 1825091;1528922686;mircea_popescu;aha. 1825092;1528922700;mircea_popescu;i was talking of the argentards. 1825093;1528922822;asciilifeform;aa 1825094;1528922909;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825076 << as far as i can tell, their Official policy is to never admit that the thing even exists ( aside from the src, which is gnarly enuff , i suppose , to 'not count' somehow ) 1825095;1528922909;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 20:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825006 << i'll certainly be very interested of hearing a yes/no to this, secretly even, because so far i've not been getting anywhere (as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824240 etc ). curious if perhaps im doing something wrong. 1825096;1528922920;ben_vulpes;seems like clickbank wants to own the entire payment flow, and looks at first blush to only eat credit cards 1825097;1528922981;mircea_popescu;possible. in other similar lulz, juicy ads (whom, incidentally, i remember from the days the dood starting it was a junior/nobody with a "new project!!", 15+ years ago) refuses to deal with crypto because "we are respectable company". 1825098;1528922992;mircea_popescu;they mostly lost the will to live, white men. 1825099;1528923019;ben_vulpes;i'll survey the 'crypto'/cpa space and report back 1825100;1528923117;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825043 << remember 'clipper' ? never died, immortal, just gets rebranded erry so often 1825101;1528923117;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 19:54 phf: heh, the kommuniti consensus around recent intel bugs is "don't do crypto on cpu, that's what tpm is for" 1825102;1528923128;mircea_popescu;scarcely worth the bother, that. "crypto"-x as in, "a crypto ad network" is totally another way of saying http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/#selection-197.0-197.39 ; ie, "that website some kid made and meanwhile forgot about" 1825103;1528923282;ben_vulpes;> "Community: access to insights of a 1000-strong community of marketing professionals, who focus on the blockchain industry" << sheesh 1825104;1528923306;asciilifeform;re tpmism : i predict many great lulz of the fyootoor , when google et al roll 'bitcoin' support into cr50 etc 1825105;1528923316;asciilifeform;youreaditherephirst!11 1825106;1528923366;mircea_popescu;imagine, if you will, 1k bleating heads collected in a room. even admitting you're http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/#selection-175.1-175.78 and can make the list of the top 1k "blockchain industry" professionals, correctly sorted desc. 1825107;1528923411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it'll be ethereum. bitcoin, like trilema ~also~ something official policy is to not admit exists (aside, of course, how it's what they save in / read themselves). 1825108;1528923418;asciilifeform;'...and this here is the airport wallet inspector master key jack. got a problem, terrorist ?' 1825109;1528923450;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: likely 1825110;1528923504;asciilifeform;'root of trust'(tm)(r) 1825111;1528923528;ben_vulpes;40 btc starter package! www.icobox.io also all "success stories" successes are denominated in usd 1825112;1528923555;ben_vulpes;they'll make a landing page for another 4 btc 1825113;1528923574;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: site last updated in 2013 or wat 1825114;1528923583;mircea_popescu;i remember one time hanbot went through "crypto credit cards" 1825115;1528923597;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "or apply for basic 40 btc package for free!" 1825116;1528923614;ben_vulpes;and on the next page "Apply for ICO services worth 20 BTC for free." 1825117;1528923980;lobbes;mircea_popescu: deal! I'll let you know if I find anyone of interest. 1825118;1528924128;ben_vulpes;https://archive.is/pWbrV << potter's hustle in the news again 1825119;1528924171;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: recall, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818041 1825120;1528924171;a111;Logged on 2018-05-24 16:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818018 << i'm quite certain that they will have a show trial or two for 'putin's wreckers' who 'manipulated the price upward' 1825121;1528924230;ben_vulpes;looks more like a "the price isn't the real price because it's too high to be the real price and here's some proofy proof" to me 1825122;1528924243;ben_vulpes;notice no knives for phil 1825123;1528924274;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: moar of a 'we're about to dump a bit moar stolen coin on the waterfall so here's some smoke screen' 1825124;1528924304;ben_vulpes;wasn't that last week's "hack"? 1825125;1528924325;asciilifeform;regular installments, asciilifeform tbh does not follow subj in realtime 1825126;1528924394;asciilifeform;'The authors of the new 66-page paper do not have emails or documents that prove that Bitfinex knew about or was responsible for price manipulation. The researchers relied on the millions of transaction records that are captured on the public ledgers...' << lol 1825127;1528924414;asciilifeform;'helped government authorities and academics spot suspicious activity in the past' << didjaknow. 1825128;1528924445;ben_vulpes;i had some suspicious activity in the alley around my trash last week, where's my blockchain analysis support 1825129;1528924456;asciilifeform;the van's been dispatched!1 1825130;1528924495;mircea_popescu;i like how they say "the new", as if it's somehow a workable substitute for "the stupid" 1825131;1528924500;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares how new it is ?! 1825132;1528924510;mircea_popescu;don't tell me the implication would be that "we've already" the old. 1825133;1528924566;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the record we agree -- price's way the fuck too high consider what the republic can provedly do as of yet. 1825134;1528924586;asciilifeform;hey, it isn't as if the academitards don't always create 'new' 'paper' via same foo | bar | baz template spammers use ( as posted in mircea_popescu's www on at least 1 occasion ) 1825135;1528924614;mircea_popescu;ikr ?what fucking "new", the last time usg produced something new hruschev was still wearing his shoes. 1825136;1528924625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expand re 'too high' ? 1825137;1528924707;mircea_popescu;does it seem to you a maybe-isp, a mmorpg, some we don't have REs and some novel length fiction warrants a 100bn valuation for the republic ? 1825138;1528924745;asciilifeform;from asciilifeform's perch, 'valuations' are voodoo , i have nfi either way 1825139;1528924756;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1825140;1528924789;mircea_popescu;but i mean, as far as anyone presently knows, 100% of all bitcoin trade consists of http://logs.minigame.biz/search/?q=total+bids 1825141;1528924793;mircea_popescu;that... ain't so much. 1825142;1528924880;asciilifeform;pizarro is afaik the only moving part we've got that at all feels the exch rate 1825143;1528924900;mircea_popescu;well, it's not even started to publicly exchange yet. 1825144;1528924907;mircea_popescu;iirc that was for this month ? or next ? 1825145;1528924938;asciilifeform;good q ; hey ben_vulpes , did you ? 1825146;1528924966;ben_vulpes;next month 1825147;1528924967;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817767 1825148;1528924967;a111;Logged on 2018-05-23 17:18 ben_vulpes: i intend to do this for the july bills. 1825149;1528924969;mircea_popescu;next month. 1825150;1528924984;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i did say 'next parcel somebody other than asciilifeform ' , recall 1825151;1528924991;asciilifeform;after prev refuel 1825152;1528924998;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you'd better have one 1825153;1528925008;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: made arrangements; wire's been sent already and cash is in discussion 1825154;1528925014;asciilifeform;ok. 1825155;1528925016;mircea_popescu;well, they got the whole local bitcoins thing iirc. 1825156;1528925030;ben_vulpes;plus BingoBoingo has done good work in lining up local exchange partners 1825157;1528925052;asciilifeform;that was what i meant in re 'the only part that feels the btc exch rate' 1825158;1528925266;asciilifeform;considering that a good % of the current subscription base is paid quarterly (or even 1yr ahead) -- exch rate is not irrelevant 1825159;1528925319;mircea_popescu;only in the "fuuuu" sense. 1825160;1528925348;asciilifeform;hm? 1825161;1528925403;asciilifeform;( i.e. in the sense where its movements cannot do any serious good, only damage ? then yes ) 1825162;1528925524;mircea_popescu;in the sense where "o god, paid in advance, at much higher nominal rate" 1825163;1528925544;asciilifeform;can go in either direction, neh ? 1825164;1528925577;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1825165;1528925626;mircea_popescu;this movement'd have greatly benefited a hardware heavy isp (in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445680 ) ; it greatly hurts a forward-payments / unearned income isp as pizarro stands 1825166;1528925626;a111;Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware 1825167;1528925633;mircea_popescu;but, the sums involved aren't that great anyway. 1825168;1528925672;asciilifeform;exch rate oscillation has potential to be a palpable headache, like solar storms for space station 1825169;1528925776;mircea_popescu;much moar shield-able, fortunately. 1825170;1528925812;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes mod6 possibly you oughta consider a couple mo. of usd 'shielding'..? 1825171;1528925859;*;asciilifeform stepping outside of his expertise and prolly oughta stfu re subj 1825172;1528925859;mircea_popescu;what, and turn it into a financial speculator ? usually firms go that way after making so much revenue they run out of capital goods they might buy 1825173;1528925867;mircea_popescu;wester union eg, went that way. 1825174;1528925885;asciilifeform;what's the proper method to shield, then 1825175;1528925910;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i am similarly poorly equipped to speculate/trade, but now at recent lows strikes me as a bad time to convert btc to cash (unless it goes lower, ofc) 1825176;1528925943;mircea_popescu;well, consider the situation in the field. the unearned income acct hurt, in that pizarro will have to service in the future in excess of current fiat value ; the capital goods acct helped, in that the servers it owns are worth more in btc than they were when bought. 1825177;1528925948;asciilifeform;i haven't any idea is it's a local min or the beginning of a slide back into 2015 or whichever way, my voodoo is weak 1825178;1528925974;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aah i think i get it. 'iron is the master of them all'(tm)(r) 1825179;1528925984;mircea_popescu;in this direction. 1825180;1528926004;mircea_popescu;yes, if pizarro had 10 btc worth of gear end of q1, then pizarro'd have had 15+ btc worth of gear today. 1825181;1528926026;mircea_popescu;it didn't, so it could be argued it "missed out" on earning 5btc for its principals. but that argument, like any other icahn-speculative truths, is weak. 1825182;1528926128;mircea_popescu;still : cash position protects against fiat depreciation (which is why unearned income acct hurt, it's a negative cash acct) ; whereas tangibles position protects against fiat appreciation. 1825183;1528926204;mircea_popescu;currently the financial position of pizarro is long cash / short tangibles (90/10 or something like that is the split iirc ?) meaning it will gain when fiat depreciates and lose when it appreciates. 1825184;1528926212;mircea_popescu;a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta. 1825185;1528926232;mircea_popescu;hence, "more easy to shield" 1825186;1528926262;asciilifeform;logical. 1825187;1528926266;mircea_popescu;really, there's a lot of similarity between the job of the CFO (which... i gues... is what i'm doing here ?) for a company and the job of a captain of a fore-and-aft rigged vessel. 1825188;1528926273;mircea_popescu;"get the rigging match the wind". 1825189;1528926356;asciilifeform;this model makes a great deal of sense, and kudos to mircea_popescu for showing it 1825190;1528926369;mircea_popescu;mp. 1825191;1528926370;ben_vulpes;illustrative, ty mircea_popescu. 1825192;1528926425;asciilifeform;the naive picture in asciilifeform's head has , in this light, moar resemblance to piece of driftwood, than sailboat 1825193;1528926430;asciilifeform;i'd like to upgrade to the sailboat. 1825194;1528926446;asciilifeform;( sailing on a driftwood is a depressing experience ) 1825195;1528926480;mircea_popescu;lol. ever been in dead water ? 1825196;1528926492;mircea_popescu;it is indeed depressing. like traveling in the desert, come to think of it. 1825197;1528926501;ben_vulpes;"you: wiggle the till. and you! get me a beer" 1825198;1528926501;asciilifeform;i've not personally captained anyffing bigger than rowboat, lol 1825199;1528926503;mircea_popescu;kinda why boat should have nude babes, distract one when this happens. 1825200;1528926513;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes, quite. 1825201;1528926543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, weren't you about to move on the high seas, lefty from mullbery st. ? 1825202;1528926566;mod6;ahoy 1825203;1528926567;asciilifeform;same 'about to' as to mars, lol 1825204;1528926578;asciilifeform;similarly out of my price range. 1825205;1528926611;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu painfully educated me on subj. 1825206;1528926688;mircea_popescu;and what a fun adventure it was! :D 1825207;1528926719;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Ruggiero << historical character. 1825208;1528926806;asciilifeform;ah good old dayz d00d 1825209;1528926814;asciilifeform;when nyc still had working garbage pickup etc 1825210;1528926933;mod6;ls 1825211;1528926937;mircea_popescu;aha. actually these were the garbage guys. 1825212;1528926943;mod6;gah 1825213;1528926961;mircea_popescu;gah: command not found 1825214;1528926966;mod6;:D 1825215;1528926974;mircea_popescu;wouldn't want to shock your expectations :D 1825216;1528926992;mod6;thank you for being our parser, Sir. 1825217;1528927012;mod6;this kvm is gonna be the death of me 1825218;1528927730;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825128 << How big was their donkey? 1825219;1528927730;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 21:14 ben_vulpes: i had some suspicious activity in the alley around my trash last week, where's my blockchain analysis support 1825220;1528929209;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825058 << mod6 ben_vulpes work out a handshake with mircea_popescu so that i can put this on phuctor www 1825221;1528929209;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 20:20 mod6: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_banner1.png 1825222;1528929228;mircea_popescu;go right ahead, i dun see the problem. 1825223;1528929255;mircea_popescu;well... maybe have them make something the same size as other items there ? 1825224;1528929265;asciilifeform;yea 1825225;1528929268;mircea_popescu;ie http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/snsa.jpg 1825226;1528929272;mod6;We intend to pay for the advertising, unless nosuchlabs wants to put it up for free as a friend. 1825227;1528929286;asciilifeform;i was about to link to this yea 1825228;1528929291;mod6;I have some more that I just threw up on my site; a few to pick from: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/ 1825229;1528929297;asciilifeform;mod6 can haz pic corresponding to dimensions of linked jpg ? 1825230;1528929303;mircea_popescu;btw, asciilifeform : the phuctor design is narrow. plenty of space to put stuff on the sides, rather than bottom, if you wantr. 1825231;1528929337;asciilifeform;it's narrow cuz asciilifeform uses narrow screens, lol 1825232;1528929342;asciilifeform;but potentially can be fiddled with 1825233;1528929342;mod6;asciilifeform: hm? images i created are, 446px × 63px 1825234;1528929370;asciilifeform;mod6: my jpg is 320 wide 1825235;1528929387;mod6;vert image is the reverse 63px x 446px 1825236;1528929394;mod6;oh 1825237;1528929395;*;mod6 looks 1825238;1528929397;asciilifeform;currently i'd prefer horiz 1825239;1528929444;mod6;ok yours is 320 x 132 px 1825240;1528929478;mod6;You want me to make one that size, I think I can make a special one. Lemme tinker on it here. 1825241;1528929484;asciilifeform;just the 320 dimension 1825242;1528929495;asciilifeform;ok 1825243;1528929496;mod6;you dont care how long it is? 1825244;1528929500;mod6;or tall? 1825245;1528929523;asciilifeform;dun care how tall 1825246;1528929525;asciilifeform;within reason 1825247;1528929692;mod6;i gotta creat a new one, gimp is limited, or im a bit limited in is usage. i'll make 320 x 132 if that's suitable. 1825248;1528929721;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, if you're going to do this, best think about it, specify the site for it. 1825249;1528929734;mircea_popescu;"i dun care how tall" is a recipe for disaster down the road. 1825250;1528929758;asciilifeform;for quick emplacement, would like to have 320x132 then 1825251;1528929997;mod6;on it 1825252;1528930312;ben_vulpes;ty asciilifeform, mircea_popescu 1825253;1528930728;mircea_popescu;!!up Disavowed 1825254;1528930729;deedbot;Disavowed voiced for 30 minutes. 1825255;1528930730;mircea_popescu;!!up dw 1825256;1528930731;deedbot;dw voiced for 30 minutes. 1825257;1528930736;mircea_popescu;aand who might you two be ? 1825258;1528930767;dw;i pointed Disavowed here, found your site via lobsters about a week ago :) 1825259;1528930835;Disavowed;Hey - cheers for having me :) 1825260;1528930853;mircea_popescu;sure. 1825261;1528930875;mircea_popescu;but... i still don't know much. 1825262;1528930966;dw;we are admirers of your fine essays and eager to subscribe to your most serene republic 1825263;1528930969;dw;(and idle) 1825264;1528931002;mircea_popescu;yes, but i mean... can you do anything useful ? 1825265;1528931137;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_nosuchlabs_banner1.png 1825266;1528931153;mod6;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu : here it is, let me know if you'd like any changes ^ 1825267;1528931324;asciilifeform;mod6: this looks pretty good. where would you like the link to go ? 1825268;1528931562;mircea_popescu;if this ever takes off you can do two things : a) have a banner rotator and b) have monthly or biannual or w/e spot auctions. 1825269;1528931732;mod6;asciilifeform: http://pizarroisp.net/ 1825270;1528931761;mod6;the thing has a home/landing page now devoid of all statements/blog info, so this is good. 1825271;1528931774;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, good points 1825272;1528931858;asciilifeform;mod6: i'ma put it in later today, thx 1825273;1528931899;mod6;no, thank you both! 1825274;1528932709;asciilifeform;mod6 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu et al : it's live ( see e.g. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats ) 1825275;1528933003;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/german-government-divided-as-interior-minister-decides-to-skip-migrant-integration-summit/ << Qntra - German Government Divided As Interior Minister Decides To Skip Migrant Integration Summit 1825276;1528933093;BingoBoingo;I suppose Qntra can put up a banner as well 1825277;1528933120;ben_vulpes;if you would that would be great BingoBoingo 1825278;1528933957;mod6;asciilifeform: nice! thanks :] 1825279;1528933966;mod6;BingoBoingo: cool! 1825280;1528934235;mircea_popescu;and in today's harem cocktails : in a cocktail glass (the inverted cone on a stem) put shaved ice, cover with cinzano rosso, splash of cointreau. 1825281;1528934261;mircea_popescu;alternatively, squeeze bitter orange, i guess. 1825282;1528934401;mod6;ah, sounds refreshing 1825283;1528934435;mircea_popescu;a good cocktail is that mix which is better than the sum of the parts. 1825284;1528934582;mod6;i've been saving my last two bottles of borsec :D 1825285;1528934864;mircea_popescu;lol. 1825286;1528936402;mod6;i just made the best BLT+fried egg+cheese sandwiches. 1825287;1528936417;mod6;normally i don't do the egg+cheese. but that was srsly a win. 1825288;1528939554;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in lulz from the lint traps, http://the-eye.eu/public/ 1825289;1528939625;asciilifeform;some oddballs archived buncha ??? , from microshit isos, to... censored reddits ( http://the-eye.eu/public/ripreddit/ ) 1825290;1528939657;asciilifeform;very 1990s flavour. 1825291;1528939704;mircea_popescu;"censored reddits" is about 500% the extant reddit by mass. 1825292;1528939710;asciilifeform;i've nfi 1825293;1528939715;mircea_popescu;item only ever existed as a child porn / assorted bizarro trading ring. 1825294;1528939749;asciilifeform;going by cursory look at the contents , mircea_popescu is ( was ? ) right 1825295;1528939788;mircea_popescu;there's only so much tiresome-unsexed-mayogendered that can be produced. so not much alternative content available. 1825296;1528939794;asciilifeform;http://the-eye.eu/public/Images/Russian%20Propaganda/ << gotta be single largest collection i've seen to date 1825297;1528939893;mircea_popescu;%20 and everything huh 1825298;1528939922;asciilifeform;the 'wget -m -np -c --no-check-certificate -R "index.html*" "https://the-eye.eu/public/"' listed at the bottom of all pgs, is classy touch imho. 1825299;1528939926;asciilifeform;evidently they like mirrors. 1825300;1528939947;mircea_popescu;http://the-eye.eu/public/Images/Russian%20Propaganda/Le_002.jpg >> beautiful xreferencing, too. five letter numeric filenames ftw! 1825301;1528939961;asciilifeform;( i can't think of much use for most of the artifacts, or would mirror ) 1825302;1528939983;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine why anyone thinks this belongs in a website. it's evidently a tarball. 1825303;1528939992;mircea_popescu;html is HYPERTEXT not hyperdump 1825304;1528940004;asciilifeform;0 idea where the thing was born or why. 1825305;1528940180;asciilifeform;'community' link goes to some heathen chat thing, dunwork here 1825306;1528940441;asciilifeform;turbo pascal ( 4 versions!111 ) . nintendo games. peter norton complete works. roms for circa 1990s pcs. mirrors of long-dead ??? sites. ; 1825307;1528940443;asciilifeform;more or less http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537276 1825308;1528940443;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 15:53 asciilifeform: heads, leucrota, manticores, vultures, paranders, weasels, dragons, hoopoes, owls, basilisks, hypnales, presters, spectafici, scorpions, saurians, whales, scitales, amphisbenae, iaculi, dipsases, green lizards, pilot fish, octopi, morays, and sea turtles.' -- eco's 'name of the rose' 1825309;1528940583;asciilifeform;evidently the hell errybody's dead 1999 hdd , went to. 1825310;1528941883;asciilifeform;!Q later tell mod6 http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << plox to make FUCKGOATS text link to subj 1825311;1528941883;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1825312;1528944706;*;mod6 looks 1825313;1528944706;lobbesbot;mod6: Sent 47 minutes ago: http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << plox to make FUCKGOATS text link to subj 1825314;1528950268;asciilifeform;meanwhile in sads , i go and look and steve dutch's ancient and very entertaining www is... nomoar 1825315;1528950281;asciilifeform;but if this werent sad enuff : guess what : 1825316;1528950314;asciilifeform;d00d is alive and well and... in kolhoz: https://medium.com/@stevedutch by choice ! 1825317;1528950378;asciilifeform;( i can only guess, being prof of geology at uni of wisc. dun pay much ? ) 1825318;1528950484;mircea_popescu;magic of disassociative thinking. 1825319;1528950497;mircea_popescu;"nobody would hold this ode to stalin against me, it's fashionable!" 1825320;1528950542;asciilifeform;he's also gone riotously pantsuit 1825321;1528953219;asciilifeform;.. or maybe not? somewhat contradictory fella 1825322;1528953231;asciilifeform;old age. 1825323;1528953672;douchebag;dissociative thinking? Where's the ketamine at 1825324;1528953674;douchebag;? 1825325;1528954030;mircea_popescu;veterinarian clinics, usually. 1825326;1528985273;mod6;mornin' 1825327;1528985283;mircea_popescu;hey. 1825328;1528985434;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu mod6 1825329;1528985454;mod6;hey hey 1825330;1528985569;mod6;ls 1825331;1528985572;mod6;damnit 1825332;1528985582;mod6;i better get a coffee 1825333;1528985606;asciilifeform;emacs-fiddling, mod6 ? 1825334;1528985627;mod6;naw, i just forget which screen im using 1825335;1528985664;asciilifeform;sorta why folx get separate keyboard, cabling, etc for the missile control console. so not to fughet. 1825336;1528985676;asciilifeform;( among other reasons ) 1825337;1528985681;mod6;i've got like a bunch of computroboxes, a bunch of screens and like four keyboards. 1825338;1528985689;mod6;sometimes i lose track of where I'm at. 1825339;1528985713;asciilifeform;get rid of mousetronic focus, if you haven't yet. 1825340;1528985753;mod6;oh yeah, that's not the thing. I need to maybe tweek the setup here when I get a few minutes. 1825341;1528985807;mod6;lol, wasn't much of a problem when I only had a few boxen :D 1825342;1528985847;mircea_popescu;mod6, you evidently need a pincer helmet. 1825343;1528985890;mod6;heheh, something! 1825344;1528985921;lobbes;Hey mod6, not urgent, but could you create a pizarro banner in an avatar ratio? As much as I like the beachdick avatar I made, it doesn't communicate 'ISP' very well. Here's the size it'd need to be >> https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_138230.png 1825345;1528985931;mod6;i'll figure something out that works better. 1825346;1528985955;mircea_popescu;beachdick ?! oh i gotta see this thing 1825347;1528985959;mod6;hi lobbes 1825348;1528985963;*;mod6 looks 1825349;1528986015;mod6;ok that beachdick image is 120 x 70 px 1825350;1528986026;mod6;you want something that looks like the others in that size? 1825351;1528986047;lobbes;Yes plox. If yer too busy I can probably do it, but consistency in branding etc. 1825352;1528986063;mod6;I can probably come up with something here today, sure. 1825353;1528986082;lobbes;I like how yours communicate all the selling points in a small space 1825354;1528986111;lobbes;Word. No rush at all. Im in the $saltmines anyways atm 1825355;1528986112;mod6;werd. it's a pretty small space, but I'll see what I can do. i'll hollar when i'm done, Sir. 1825356;1528986118;mod6;ok 1825357;1528986123;lobbes;Ty! 1825358;1528986228;mircea_popescu;lol mod6 finds a new life as a gfx designer for the web 1825359;1528986248;mod6;ikr. haha 1825360;1528986451;mod6;hey lobbes, does tardstalk still let you put a banner or skinny banner in your footer part or whatever (I feel like that used to be a thing?) 1825361;1528986470;mod6;if so, throw me a sample and maybe I can make one of those too. 1825362;1528989729;asciilifeform;!!up |\n 1825363;1528989730;deedbot;|\n voiced for 30 minutes. 1825364;1528990199;asciilifeform;|\n: hello...? 1825365;1528990211;|\n;asciilifeform, i feel guilty for getting voiced manually without bringing 0days lol but should i attempt to spread the word across chinese people as well? 1825366;1528990220;asciilifeform;|\n: yes 1825367;1528990228;asciilifeform;chinese, eskimos, whoever. 1825368;1528990236;mircea_popescu;|\n, could you get a nick that's not an absolute pain in the ass to type ? 1825369;1528990248;mircea_popescu;also, register a key already, i'll rate you, then you can self voice. 1825370;1528990258;asciilifeform;( i dun have high hopes for 'word spreadings' but it is conceivable that somebody, somewhere, is 1) qualified to participate 2) will pull head out of arse for long enuff to actually do it ) 1825371;1528990302;mircea_popescu;unassednick, do you live in china ? 1825372;1528990311;asciilifeform;!!up unassednick 1825373;1528990312;deedbot;unassednick voiced for 30 minutes. 1825374;1528990317;asciilifeform;unassednick: register a key already. 1825375;1528990338;unassednick;no but i read a group of chinese people who know where the real internet is 1825376;1528990359;asciilifeform;nao i simply gotta ask, unassednick , where exactly is it 1825377;1528990364;asciilifeform;this 'real internet' 1825378;1528990380;mod6;lobbes: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_avatar1.png 1825379;1528990406;unassednick;outside of chinese great firewall, delusionally, yet i somehow feel they are capable in general 1825380;1528990425;asciilifeform;unassednick: so let's see them come here. 1825381;1528990426;mircea_popescu;unassednick, so knock yourself out. 1825382;1528990453;asciilifeform;afaik we dun have anybody who knows cn lang, but virtually any earthling lang will do 1825383;1528990462;asciilifeform;supposedly they have schools over there, and teach'em 1825384;1528992699;BingoBoingo;Alive, pictures coming to the blog today 1825385;1528992849;BingoBoingo;Apparently orc communication device tried to kill me in my sleep last night 1825386;1528993129;BingoBoingo;Battery did not swell, but microusb charger melted to phone's microusb port 1825387;1528993200;shinohai;!!v 65EF6684BE090173923810ECE27F3219732DA54B164030EF7FBB5155EA9A5B35 1825388;1528993200;deedbot;shinohai rated douchebag 1 1825389;1528993257;mod6;Sounds like you need a new phone BingoBoingo 1825390;1528993312;BingoBoingo;mod6: Picked one up this morning. Going to get it set up today. 1825391;1528993335;mod6;right on 1825392;1528993526;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in monogamy, https://cdn.mpasho.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/jealous-girls-be-like_o_3140739.jpg 1825393;1528993570;lobbes;mod6: ah perfect! Worx and looks great (the green-on-black catches the eye well imo) >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4453723.0 1825394;1528993598;mircea_popescu;mod6, totally got a green on black fetish, it's clear by now 1825395;1528993644;lobbes;As for signature banners, seems like they have odd rules re: those; I think images aren't even allowed in sigs for $reasons 1825396;1528993664;mod6;lobbes: heey! thanks. ya, looks pretty good on there. 1825397;1528993674;mod6;ah, ok. well, was worth checking on. cheers! 1825398;1528993691;mod6;mircea_popescu: haha, yeah, i've been using it for quite a long time. 1825399;1528993693;lobbes;mircea_popescu: lol, rite? It's become his calling card 1825400;1528993741;mod6;my biz cards are the same way; 0x00ff00 & 0x000000 with courier new 1825401;1528994154;Mocky;trinque, how goes this? I'm quite eager >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-07#1821099 1825402;1528994154;a111;Logged on 2018-06-07 02:21 trinque: Mocky: I'll have something for you to try out in a few days, if you like. 1825403;1528994479;trinque;Mocky: the item from my original post builds again. I've yet to finish gathering everything required by the base system into a genesis vpatch, but that's next in the process. among them, I need to bring in ave1's gcc. 1825404;1528994559;trinque;I will update my original post with the former soon as I'm able, maybe tonight. that won't be "cuntoo", but it'll be enough to get assistance from other folks such as yourself to bring it to completion 1825405;1528995030;Mocky;trinque, this is the original post, correct? http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/ 1825406;1528995058;trinque;yep 1825407;1528996620;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in steve dutch's bag o'lulz, https://archive.li/N2Bhn 1825408;1528996659;asciilifeform;( tldr -- d00d tries, naturally fails, to invent the republic ) 1825409;1528996850;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform is an entomological connoisseur of 'clever fella tries to invent tmsr but fails on account of defective priors' artifacts. it's sorta like watching intelligent shaman try to build radio using voodoo doll action-at-a-distance, what to expect, fella never heard of electric fields , 'work with what i have!' ) 1825410;1528998067;lobbes;Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and say essentially "horde of sybils are okay, as long as each sybil pays subscription fee of $100" 1825411;1528998204;asciilifeform;e.g. the alchemists, also got quite a few points 'right'. 1825412;1528998326;asciilifeform;dutch had not 1 but 2 successful, by internal measures, careers in the belly of the inca ( prof. of geology in 20th c usa , and sgt in army ) , manages to combine cult of centrally-administered 'ordnung' and lip service to 'private property' without any apparent mental friction 1825413;1528998368;asciilifeform;'homo picketfenceicus' or how did mircea_popescu describe these. 1825414;1528998909;asciilifeform;!!up guestop 1825415;1528998910;deedbot;guestop voiced for 30 minutes. 1825416;1528998922;asciilifeform;guestop: hello ? 1825417;1528998944;guestop;hello 1825418;1528998959;asciilifeform;guestop: who are you , and what brings you to #trilema ? 1825419;1528998986;guestop;hm, loper-os.org and c101pa 1825420;1528999023;asciilifeform;guestop: you will probably want to read the chan log, http://btcbase.org/log/ , and make use of the search box, chances are that your q has been answered in the past week 1825421;1528999037;asciilifeform;!#s cr50 1825422;1528999037;a111;190 results for "cr50", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cr50 1825423;1528999041;asciilifeform;!#s c101pa 1825424;1528999042;a111;81 results for "c101pa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=c101pa 1825425;1528999191;guestop;thanks, just lurking 1825426;1528999227;asciilifeform;'just lurking' isn't likely to do much for you, threads have beginnings, and measure in months, years. 1825427;1528999286;asciilifeform;( and i suspect that there won't be much said re cr50 for a while, currently it is in dead waters ) 1825428;1528999501;asciilifeform;guestop: are you working on breaking cr50 yourself ? 1825429;1528999575;guestop;nope, I dont't have such skills :( 1825430;1528999584;asciilifeform;guestop: what skills do you have ? 1825431;1528999596;mircea_popescu;lol hardcore alf 1825432;1528999622;asciilifeform;lol i mean d00d was able to log in, knows how to set nick!11 must know ~something~.. 1825433;1528999715;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, lobbes you're more patient than me. the only way i can interpret the sort of behaviour is in the bdsm terminology, as brats. and i can't fucking stand brats, not to mention they're the essential pinnacle of idiocy, "i know it dun work but it's more important that it's my dumb idea than that it works". 1825434;1528999728;asciilifeform;who knows, maybe guestop is a master burglar , can go and pinch for us that privkey 1825435;1528999746;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to shaman on deserted island / 5k years ago. it's another thing to moron (literally, the john smith followers, the original morons) in 1910. 1825436;1528999770;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, was talking re dutch/locklin/whatever horde of these literate imbeciles. 1825437;1528999805;mircea_popescu;this "ima write poems in chuchka because russian too hard to learn" sorta bs really gets my goat. 1825438;1528999820;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've found that some septagenarian u.s. academics are moar shaman than smith, do have some measure of native intellect that can be knocked out , potentially, of its inca track 1825439;1528999833;asciilifeform;granted it aint trivial 1825440;1528999834;mircea_popescu;i've yet to see this. 1825441;1528999851;asciilifeform;uncle al had his moments of clarity 1825442;1528999873;mircea_popescu;in my (admittedly, extremely extensive) experience, the only predictor of success is age. 20yo "domme" or "brat" or whatever can make perfectly fine slavegirl and thereby exist and matter. 30yo "submissive", can't. 1825443;1528999897;asciilifeform;hey wasn't it a mircea_popescu article where 'let's not cult of youth' 1825444;1528999913;mircea_popescu;but let's not cult of youth in adults. 1825445;1528999917;mircea_popescu;very much cult of youth in youths. 1825446;1528999928;mircea_popescu;what the fuck am i to do with a "us academic", ie, a 12 yo captive in a 60yo's body ? 1825447;1528999956;asciilifeform;potentially it's a 1950s 17 y.o., those can possibly work with. 1825448;1528999958;mircea_popescu;to put it another way : how about you prove to me that trinque didn't SAVE US a large pile of value by getting us rid of "reverse engineer" ? 1825449;1528999969;asciilifeform;quite likely that he did. 1825450;1529000012;mircea_popescu;entirely conceivable. who's to know the alternative futures. but the point stands -- the only thing i see when i see one of these old nothings is, "here's a hole you can pour sweat into forever" 1825451;1529000028;asciilifeform;however asciilifeform's measured suspicion is that the hypothetical clueful reverser is moar likely to resemble trinque's d00d than a 20 y.o. douchebag . 1825452;1529000054;mircea_popescu;because this is how they age -- they become ever more elaborate in their idiocy. THIS is the deep meaning of "Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and" : he didn't get anything right. 1825453;1529000063;mircea_popescu;he's just fuzzing the field, is all. 1825454;1529000073;mircea_popescu;grudgingly including bits that he doesn't want to exist. 1825455;1529000097;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, that matter is extremely hard to discern. 1825456;1529000114;mircea_popescu;but let's model this properly, for the sake of record : 1825457;1529000183;mircea_popescu;idiot (I) consists of ordered list (L) of statement trees (Ti). each individual statement in each tree is either true or false ; relatedly to this, every tree is either solid or nonsense. 1825458;1529000212;mircea_popescu;aging in the wild, in this model, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of individual Ts in that L grows, so as to avoid removing any of the initial Ts. 1825459;1529000241;mircea_popescu;aging in the republic, contrarywise, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of some Ts shrinks, so as to remove as many Ts and T elements as possible. 1825460;1529000280;mircea_popescu;these processes both directly mimic the evolution of software in empire and republic ; and directly illustrate the problem : aging is a net negative for they outside the republic. it ~decreases~ their value, monotonically, irrespective of any other considerations. 1825461;1529000329;mircea_popescu;the more they spend "thinking", the more they'll have to spend thinking to get rid of the elaborate elucubrations they came up with ; and not even linearly "the more", i'm affraid it's exponential. 1825462;1529000348;asciilifeform;naggum's 'read only brains' , as valuable when aged as a burnt 2007 debian iso 1825463;1529000440;mircea_popescu;and so this is the deep root of what i mean when i say "he didn't get anything right" : the ~only reason~ he included $republican-item in his soup is to support some other batshit insanity ; it's not a root but a frill for him -- as proven by the fact that were it root, it'd have rid him of the batshit he aims to hang on it. 1825464;1529000473;mircea_popescu;but as it is, the moment the idiocy he is protecting goes away, so goes away his perceived need for whatever "he got right" and there you sit, wondering, "hey, i taught you this a year ago, where did it go ?!?!" 1825465;1529000485;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you where : bitch only "learned" it to protect something else thereby. 1825466;1529000495;asciilifeform;well he wants , roughly, the effect ( 'get my 1972 academy of sciences again' or the like) but has no possibly correct priors on which to work. hence shaman's radio. 1825467;1529000529;mircea_popescu;and therein is the problem entire : he wants, and thereby he can never escape the inca. let him want somewhere else, he's soiling my floors. 1825468;1529000567;asciilifeform;what , in the abstract, does he want, that mircea_popescu finds intrinsically retarded ? 1825469;1529000577;asciilifeform;( i can name example, but curious re what mircea_popescu has in mind ) 1825470;1529000581;mircea_popescu;the fact that he wants, i find intrinsically retarded. 1825471;1529000603;asciilifeform;he's not the 1st, nor last, to admit to wishing for a pre-1993 net 1825472;1529000615;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to "wouldn't it be nice..."/ 1825473;1529000631;mircea_popescu;it's anotehr thing to "shit, this train's going the wrong way" 1825474;1529000669;mircea_popescu;it's quite another thing to wants ; and yes, he definitely wants, because if he didn't he'd just proceed from cause and would have been here begging his pardons upon the first time he read the logs, rather than fail to do so the 500th. 1825475;1529000675;asciilifeform;chukcha shaman is not lost soul because he wants to communicate over 100km distance, he's a lost soul because he hasn't heard of hertz or maxwell's or at all touched the relevant material 1825476;1529000710;mircea_popescu;no, he's lost soul because he wants to communicate. that upon so wanting he then proceeds to "sate" that want "as best can be done" is not even separable. 1825477;1529000740;mircea_popescu;the only correct approach is "i couldn't give less of a shit about all of it and what's this do ?!" 1825478;1529000768;mircea_popescu;hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on. 1825479;1529000776;asciilifeform;this is much higher bar than mastering integrals and building radio. 1825480;1529000799;mircea_popescu;not at all. 1825481;1529000825;mircea_popescu;it is the natural state ; the idiocy is ~inculcated~, by idiot mothers principally, through ~sexual abuse of children~. 1825482;1529000841;mircea_popescu;that's what it is : he wants, and thereby i know he was raped as a child. 1825483;1529000843;trinque;was just about to say, he's praying, or calling for mother, on his blog there. 1825484;1529000868;asciilifeform;trinque: d00d's a christian, as far as i can tell, possibly (or not , i am not equipped to discern) in the danielpbarron style 1825485;1529000878;mircea_popescu;what style is that ? 1825486;1529000891;asciilifeform;'trusts in allah but ties the camel' 1825487;1529000900;mircea_popescu;ha. 1825488;1529000977;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: upstack -- do i misunderstand the model, or is the idea 'troo unbonsaikittened mind , proceeding from cause, will find the republic on own engine power, guaranteed' ? 1825489;1529001037;mircea_popescu;yes. 1825490;1529001080;asciilifeform;weren't as recently as yesterday, the thread re btc exchange rates, that we're a fairly small target in fairly large galaxy ? 1825491;1529001088;mircea_popescu;there's nothing ~creative~ here, in the meaning of creative of "you gotta say 39834908503485093485 and you'll never manage this magic number by trying numbers". 1825492;1529001117;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, large galaxy ; dood was repeatedly linked from here etc. gimme a break, he knows. 1825493;1529001130;mircea_popescu;the other fucktard in the class was periodically whining his idiocy at me, if i recall. 1825494;1529001133;asciilifeform;he certainly knows nao, i left him a few comments, lol 1825495;1529001151;mircea_popescu;"never heard of allah" is a bit of a joke. got wikipedia, amirite. 1825496;1529001255;mircea_popescu;it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade ; b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them ; c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit. 1825497;1529001261;mircea_popescu;what, is the proposition that i'm some kind of genius ? 1825498;1529001268;mircea_popescu;i'm no genius, i just don't lie to myself. 1825499;1529001292;asciilifeform;well i managed to escape finding mircea_popescu for >1yr ( and even then had to be dug up with excavator ) but possibly i went to wrong kindergarten.. 1825500;1529001332;trinque;shit, we gotta hop dimensions and go save counterfactual alf now 1825501;1529001341;asciilifeform;lol 1825502;1529001383;trinque;take the example of esthlos recently, dood was being kinda hard to read, uncommunicative. I jabbed directly at forehead on that matter, and lovely vtron pops out the other side 1825503;1529001405;trinque;good example of working brain 1825504;1529001427;asciilifeform;trinque: sorta why i sometimes try and apply the excavator to other folx. but it to date always ended the same uninteresting way, and the most parsimonious hypothesis re why is afaik mircea_popescu's 1825505;1529001522;asciilifeform;!#born esthlos 1825506;1529001522;a111;2017-12-16 hello 1825507;1529001522;a111;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752137 1825508;1529001554;asciilifeform;oh hey thx phf , shows the link nao 1825509;1529001581;phf;in before mircea_popescu's "must be one line" 1825510;1529001610;asciilifeform;i'd be content with just the link 1825511;1529001682;asciilifeform;~6mo from birth to useful proggy, is pretty great imho. 1825512;1529001777;asciilifeform;!!up nikki_ff_ 1825513;1529001778;deedbot;nikki_ff_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1825514;1529001784;asciilifeform;nikki_ff_: do you know how to talk ? 1825515;1529001794;asciilifeform;!!up nikki_ff 1825516;1529001795;deedbot;nikki_ff voiced for 30 minutes. 1825517;1529002234;mircea_popescu;phf, it should be one line. 1825518;1529002263;asciilifeform;trinque: in trips down lulzmemorylane, asciilifeform blew a good % of 2011 on halfcocked attempt to get miner going on surplus-usg boards with xilinx fpgas (in varying conditions of mutilation) 1825519;1529002265;mircea_popescu;anyway, no shortage of examples, trinque came in, asked specific questions, got specific answers, blew his mind away, changed his nick. 1825520;1529002271;mircea_popescu;or recently Mocky fellow. or so on. 1825521;1529002278;mircea_popescu;functioning brain is not imaginary object. 1825522;1529002294;asciilifeform;trinque: ( somewhat unsurprisingly, i found that they cut the tracks. bastards knew what they were doing. ) 1825523;1529002406;asciilifeform;iirc trinque came in via ben_vulpes 1825524;1529002549;asciilifeform;( to complete the lulzpic earlier -- by the time asciilifeform figured out how to pump in candidate-headers and pump out solved nonce strictly via the intact jtag header , diff was already up in the sky ) 1825525;1529002600;asciilifeform;asciilifeform has lengthy personal history of traveling expensive, painful dead ends, and hence somewhat sympathetic to figures like dutch 1825526;1529002692;lobbes;Hell, I came in and started reading logs in mid 2014. Took me damn near 2 years to grok what I was reading and finally produce something useful 1825527;1529002815;lobbes;Lucky for me, my Ti branches were easy to prune: I simply had to grow a shit-ton of Ts 1825528;1529002849;asciilifeform;lobbes: i suspect that mircea_popescu nails it, prolly unlikely that anybody will ever overcome the radiation damage from being 70 y.o. and collecting usg pensions 1825529;1529002893;asciilifeform;it's rather like asking hiroshima surviver to complete in olympiad 1825530;1529002941;asciilifeform;( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , asciilifeform does not believe that dutch was necessarily a defective 20 y.o. ) 1825531;1529003033;mircea_popescu;!#born undata 1825532;1529003033;a111;2014-10-17 mircea_popescu: ty 1825533;1529003033;a111;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-17#879132 1825534;1529003067;asciilifeform;( dutch, for instance, signed up to shoot communists in vietnam. was this necessarily act of a defective 20yo ? ) 1825535;1529003074;mircea_popescu;nope. 1825536;1529003123;mircea_popescu;i don't have any clue of what dood was when he was 20 yo ; but he ain't it now. 1825537;1529003129;asciilifeform;right 1825538;1529003186;mircea_popescu;wolf-child, incapable of speech, is also not thereby necessarily "was retarded 2yo". 1825539;1529003225;mircea_popescu;point is, when he was 2yo he didn't use his brain in the manner of people ; but in the manner of wolves. that window of brain plasticity meanwhile closed, and if he'll never be a very good wolf, he's certainly not getting to enroll to people university. 1825540;1529003252;mircea_popescu;and so is dutch stuck with the academia. and so is boring-40yo stuck with "her family". and so on. 1825541;1529003292;mircea_popescu;when we originally met, chet was more than twice my age. she got a divorce and moved to romania of all places. so no, it's not impossible. but then again, the chain of possibility is an ~unbroken~ thing, much like the chain of blocks or the chain of trust. 1825542;1529003302;mircea_popescu;if it's broken you can make predictions. 1825543;1529003379;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824840 << why not save that shit for oh, iono, the DMV? do you tell the fucking IRS "i'll get to it when i get to it"? no, you stand in line/wait on hold for three hours, thrilled as fuck to say "urr, hurr, yes sir" at the endless tide of bullshit, then come here and practice what you should've said to them, to us? completely fucking misdirected. 1825544;1529003379;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 01:55 cnomad: i'll get to it when i get to it 1825545;1529003394;mircea_popescu;and to bring this to a very plain example, the reason ~natural~ slavegirl says http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/#selection-3537.0-3539.57 is because she correctly intuits that the whole basis is "i've never said no to you", ie, unbroken chain of obedience. (and the reason she's a natural is exactly that she intuits this sort of thing, and so on.) 1825546;1529003404;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: some folx are loose enuff in the glue trap that energetic particle can knock'em out of it 1825547;1529003405;mircea_popescu;hanbot, ikr ? somehow this never occurs to the idiots. 1825548;1529003457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, woman even said this somewhere, i dun recall where, possibly on one of her meanwhile disappeared blogs, that "i used to think my walls were white then you sat there and against your shirt they looked grey". 1825549;1529003476;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do not know where originally written, but it was reproduced in your obit 1825550;1529003482;mircea_popescu;what loose what glue trap ? you're either looking or you're not looking ; and if you're not looking a) age dun improve anything and b) god himself riding on a pogo stick can'd help you. 1825551;1529003491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, ah ok then. 1825552;1529003632;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-333.158-333.312 1825553;1529003657;mircea_popescu;there we go. 1825554;1529003682;*;asciilifeform can usually peg these 1 or 2 nodes away from the epicenter in the graph, from memory 1825555;1529003685;mircea_popescu;and yeah, do you realise this, i wasn't even wearing black shirts until some point past bitcoin. 1825556;1529003707;mircea_popescu;if one's into sads, one should look at what's left of anarchism, in the contemporary pantsuit retellings. 1825557;1529003723;asciilifeform;what's left of pretty much errything, lol 1825558;1529003727;mircea_popescu;for some reason that was a most delicious unhappening & rehapenning target. 1825559;1529003796;*;asciilifeform brb,meat 1825560;1529010679;ben_vulpes;https://concorde.ua/rs/daily/item_72528/ << in bizarro international contract-rewriting news from last year 1825561;1529010715;ben_vulpes;"the stockholm international arbitration court cancelled retroactively the take-or-pay clause forseen in the 2009 contract with Russia's Gazprom" 1825562;1529010808;ben_vulpes;"While the rulings of the Stockholm court were not made public...Naftogaz managed to avoid Gazprom's major claim ... almost 60% of Ukraine's GDP", so is this "the poor ukranians can't actually even pay the penalty, so we're cancelling the clause"? 1825563;1529010839;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the ukrs get ~phree fuel, for 'reasons' 1825564;1529011005;ben_vulpes;what 'reasons'? 1825565;1529011020;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: chiefly that ru doesn't want a full blown syria on its border 1825566;1529011066;asciilifeform;( it can absorb, apparently, a coupla 100k runaway ukrs per yr, but not 'all of them at once' ) 1825567;1529011096;ben_vulpes;why the very expensive gazprom clause then? 1825568;1529011152;asciilifeform;gotta at least try to recoup cost, neh 1825569;1529011174;asciilifeform;observe that lolmart does not hand out food for 100% phree, either 1825570;1529011733;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there's a great deal of 'inside wank' in re mechanics of urkdom; for instance, a number of sov-era factories, producing e.g. rocketry gear, were stranded on wrong side of the border on independence day; and it took a rather long time to complete (afaik, it's largely complete) the process of replacing their goodies with ru-local production 1825571;1529011784;asciilifeform;( until 2014-present round of ukrwank, there was not particularly large incentive to do said replacement , trade ~worked ) 1825572;1529011840;asciilifeform;ru remains by and large the ~only trading partner of the ukrs (~nobody else wants any of their shit even for free) 1825573;1529011898;asciilifeform;for a while they have passable chocolate (roshen corp, having privatized su-era confectionaries) but today even it is inedible, having finally gone full bore soy crapola 1825574;1529012006;asciilifeform;the rocket nozzle etc. plants , from what i hear, are in full throttle 'termite hollowing' mode as we speak, being sawed apart and carted away by various foreigners for fire sale prices 1825575;1529012043;asciilifeform;( the time for ben_vulpes to go there, and maybe do some hunting, is prolly nao or never ) 1825576;1529012114;asciilifeform;the folx referred to in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818497 thread, were actually discussing the matter 1825577;1529012114;a111;Logged on 2018-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform late evening, listening to elderly ukrs derp on shortwave re horror of their neet chillunz derping on ipnojes; where to read re antennae design; putin. 1825578;1529012140;asciilifeform;2 freshly-unemployed , seems, engineers. 1825579;1529012598;ben_vulpes;interesting stuff, ty asciilifeform 1825580;1529012634;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: most of this, is no sort of seekrit, ftr 1825581;1529012722;asciilifeform;( the ukrs are somewhat inadherent to even concept of secret, they make usg look light a tight operation ) 1825582;1529012734;asciilifeform;*look like 1825583;1529012813;asciilifeform;they are also undergoing, since even prior to '14, a kind of 'reverse fire sale', with joys of the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498362 kind 1825584;1529012813;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 19:30 asciilifeform: last i recall, they fitted 'general electric' fuel rods to the 1 remaining sov reactor, it is a pop waiting to happen 1825585;1529012844;asciilifeform;dumping ground market ( while they've got anything to spend ) for rubbish that even ru folx won't buy 1825586;1529015076;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825578 << fuck them and their lukewarm http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-123.521-123.558 bullshit. 1825587;1529015076;a111;Logged on 2018-06-14 21:35 asciilifeform: 2 freshly-unemployed , seems, engineers. 1825588;1529015089;mircea_popescu;whore GETS TO WORK. yes naked, yes on hands and knees, yes right nao. 1825589;1529015130;mircea_popescu;whore lines are "hey, do you want me to tell you a joke ? if it's not fukky you can fun me for free" not fucking hilary clintonisms & naggingisms a la "let me tell you some shoulds" 1825590;1529015162;mircea_popescu;in other words, elderly ukrs got insufficient assfucking, i hope their childrens get sold to fight in africa. what fucking iphones. 1825591;1529015233;asciilifeform;pretty clearly insufficient. 1825592;1529015275;mircea_popescu;if i can't something it's an argentine. 1825593;1529015339;asciilifeform;was the subj of thread, ukrs being given an undeservedly soft landing onto the inevitable spike pit at considerable expense , by ru et al 1825594;1529015470;asciilifeform;i've nfi how they've managed to stretch out their pile of su-era 'white man built' goodies, into ~30yrs of derping. must've been one hell of tall pile. 1825595;1529016239;mircea_popescu;or maybe the surrounding atmosphere also sunk 1825596;1529016260;mircea_popescu;but in other lulz : these little orcs here, they fucking love soccer. love it. and it's the world cup, and their group is... serbia. and brazil. 1825597;1529016271;mircea_popescu;it'll be a wonder if they score one goal. but they're excited!!! 1825598;1529016300;mircea_popescu;chicks in team colors going down the street and whatnot. banks falling over each other to sell world cup branded banknonsense 1825599;1529016572;*;hanbot fully expects the cr team to ask .rs and .br if there's anything they can do to help them kick their own asses 1825600;1529016696;mircea_popescu;poor guys ;/ 1825601;1529016945;BingoBoingo;The orks here have... the saudis, Russia, and Egypt in their group 1825602;1529017197;mircea_popescu;uruguay has some history at least. 1825603;1529017245;BingoBoingo;Well, they have won. Their lack of ambiton though... Everyone is talking like making the QUARTER FINAL is the stretch goal they are cheering for... 1825604;1529017259;BingoBoingo;And they've won several times... plural I have been told 1825605;1529017312;BingoBoingo;First time they won was maybe a kilometer away from here though 1825606;1529017903;BingoBoingo;In a civilizations that don't have taboos against ambition, they'd be cheering to win 1825607;1529022268;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/14/if-not-one-thing-the-other/ << Bingo Blog - If Not One Thing The Other 1825608;1529028198;a111;abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789 1825609;1529028359;trinque;a111, put phf's vodka down! 1825610;1529028420;mod6;:D 1825611;1529028775;mircea_popescu;lmao wtf. 1825612;1529028780;mircea_popescu;but, to put meat on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825496 before cosmic rays fuck the wetware memory of it, the impetuus for c) was very much spyked, as per http://trilema.com/2011/economia-unui-joc-multiplayer-probleme/#comment-55648 1825613;1529028780;a111;Logged on 2018-06-14 18:34 mircea_popescu: it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade ; b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them ; c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit. 1825614;1529028780;mircea_popescu;this very much ~wasn't~ the first mention of bitcoin on trilema, there's earlier march http://trilema.com/2011/de-ce-trebuie-protejat-angajatul/#comment-43648 and april http://trilema.com/2011/guvernul-cu-rata-de-succes-33/#comment-47237 mentions by a fellow named gheorghe 1825615;1529028780;mircea_popescu;these went nowhere because a) not directly related to something i was working in at the time and b) not nearly as well respected source in my eyes -- though perhaps the order's reversed. in any case, it was very much "guy i know raised a sorta-objection to the completeness of my research which had to be remedied", and if one thinks the bias in such a context is ever anything but "get rid of it" that one's very naive indeed. 1825616;1529028785;mircea_popescu;anyway, the actual finding was july 22nd 2011 (as per authentic & historically accurate http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/#selection-1437.0-1437.47 ), which is to say THE NEXT DAY. no fucking half week. 1825617;1529028788;mircea_popescu;it's very true that i'd have never given a shit had nobody said something to me about it on my blog ; but it's just as true that ~the reason~ i took that stance was specifically that someone ~was going to~ say something to me on my blog, about that as about anything else worth the note, because that's what i built it as for fucks' sake. 1825618;1529028853;phf;please to disregard drunk a111 1825619;1529028882;mircea_popescu;and so no, there's no fucking excuse. if one has an equivalent of trilema, that claim may only be permitted to stand IF IT IS FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT. if it does the same thing. i think nothing of, picking randomly, orlovs' blog, or yarvin's blog, or you name the idiot, anil dash, fucktard mcdumbsticks, whatever, BECAUSE their blogs don't fucking work. and "i have a lot of '''traffic'''" isn't a working, and "i get paid to ad 1825620;1529028882;mircea_popescu;vertise" isn't a working, and so fucking on. 1825621;1529028927;mircea_popescu;and if one ~doesn't~ have the equivalent, because one is a nomad, one fucking finds things on his own. i get it, not everyone can own a castle, to wait for carts of grain to come in for the market. fine. BUT ONE STILL EATS. 1825622;1529028937;mircea_popescu;this "i am a bum and i sit under bridge" thing is not a thing. 1825623;1529028972;mircea_popescu;check out how fast i type now btw!!! i took a class! 1825624;1529030790;mircea_popescu;i suppose the missing crown on this entire thread is to be had by coming back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825478 and point out that currently accepted theorems, be they in physics, math, what have you, including whatever you wish to include, thales, archimedes, pythagora, descartes, gauss, WHATEVER aren't "things known to be true". 1825625;1529030790;a111;Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did. 1825626;1529030790;a111;Logged on 2018-06-14 18:26 mircea_popescu: hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on. 1825627;1529030812;mircea_popescu;they're ~things not presently known to be false~, and in the case of physics they actually are "things we know are false but don't know where". 1825628;1529030945;mircea_popescu;what fucking "want". managing to sit on a chair correctly is accomplishment enough. 1825629;1529067490;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not even convinced that 'purposeful newton' is artifact of socialist schooling; meatsacks without the exploratory instinct the gods gave dog, cat, rat, are doomed to believe in some variant of this 1825630;1529068196;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Manifest File 1825631;1529068228;diana_coman;phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/ 1825632;1529069639;asciilifeform;funnily enuff, seems like the earliest vtree to include manifest was : FG -- http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg 1825633;1529069685;asciilifeform;( admittedly, small ) 1825634;1529072546;mod6;mornin' 1825635;1529072828;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1825636;1529072925;mod6;how goes today asciilifeform ? 1825637;1529072987;asciilifeform;slowly. 1825638;1529073030;mod6;yeah, same. need a coffee. 1825639;1529073656;asciilifeform;dun in the literature last night re chip 'glitching' . for some reason everybody, to date, focuses on glitching ~specific~ instruction, rather than scrambling sram bluntly. ( to be fair, the blunt approach is only of any conceivable use if you can pre-emplace the nop slide, as is apparently possible on cr50 ) ; state of the open lit art seems to be the 'xbox 360' pill demonstrated in 2015 1825640;1529073662;asciilifeform;*dug in 1825641;1529073768;asciilifeform;focused emp , apparently , is a pretty good glitching method, but needs somewhat complicated instrument 1825642;1529073787;asciilifeform;( and the line between glitch and magicsmokerelease, is thin ) 1825643;1529073830;asciilifeform;can also glitch by manipulating clock, but it is not presently known whether cr50 has external clocking ( my current understanding is that it does not, but has internal oscillator ) 1825644;1529073898;asciilifeform;https://archive.li/uGNyx << a likbez re the latter . 1825645;1529073935;asciilifeform;!#s metastable 1825646;1529073935;a111;10 results for "metastable", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=metastable 1825647;1529073938;asciilifeform;^ see also 1825648;1529074256;asciilifeform;state of art afaik re emp probe , https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot17/woot17-paper-cui.pdf ( sorry , pdf ) 1825649;1529074331;asciilifeform;once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 ) 1825650;1529074337;asciilifeform;but hands , sadly , currently full 1825651;1529074628;asciilifeform;ideal apparatus would be something like the multi-coil rig used for noninvasive brain diddling experiments 1825652;1529074843;asciilifeform;this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target ) 1825653;1529075079;asciilifeform;for cr50 in particular, a continuous (e.g. xray) rather than intermittent (emp shooter) glitcher might be preferable, as the thing has a convenient unlock command that you can fire via the uart continuously, then , theoretically, irradiate until it happens to skip the right instruction 1825654;1529075129;asciilifeform;(i.e. it is not in fact necessary to glitch the rsa check, but would entirely suffice to glitch the unlock command conditional jump) 1825655;1529075739;mod6;Interesting paper there. 1825656;1529075772;mod6;and interesting use of 3d printer :D 1825657;1529075792;asciilifeform;any x-y positioning system would do, really 1825658;1529075800;mod6;pretty neat 1825659;1529075809;asciilifeform;( even the hand-cranked one asciilifeform uses, with wheels ) 1825660;1529077131;BingoBoingo;Next Uruguay game is Wednesday at noon. I suspect nothing is happening in this country that day. Opponent is Saudi Arabia, the worst team in the tournament. 1825661;1529077698;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/british-court-places-rappers-under-musical-court-supervision-for-3-years/ << Qntra - British Court Places Rappers Under Musical Court Supervision For 3 Years 1825662;1529078037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, no part of the empire is ~deliberate~. socialism, pantsuitism, inca, et all are the unexcited level of gray matter. 1825663;1529078051;mircea_popescu;it's not like someone on mars sat around thinking "hey, how do we fuck up earthnling's world ???". 1825664;1529078052;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tumour mass yea 1825665;1529078084;mircea_popescu;it's simply what dumb people do. they come up with "we're all equal" and "it's the universe, man" and listening to the worst part of female nature and pretend there's nothing else on their fucking own. 1825666;1529078134;mircea_popescu;just like all mongoloid produces some version of ooga booga, exactly so all retarded girly produces some version of "it's inappropriate to go about naked and suck cock" and every idiot comes up with "social security". 1825667;1529078148;mircea_popescu;it's ~exactly~ the same way every hunk of metal "comes up" with "being cold to the touch" 1825668;1529078319;mircea_popescu;physical property of matter at rest. 1825669;1529078369;mircea_popescu;and this is why i say things like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822118 all crumble before it because the alternative is dust at rest on the surface of the moon. 1825670;1529078369;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 18:58 mircea_popescu: so yes, it is not possible to fight tmsr when it comes to this. all shall crumble before it. 1825671;1529078412;mircea_popescu;this isn't some kind of encounter like between german socialism, american socialism and russian socialism, who oh who will win in the end ? (because we know as a matter of necessity that two will ally against one, crush it, then once that's done a) import everything and b) go at each other). 1825672;1529078435;mircea_popescu;this is an encounter like between newton and his servant who didn't want to clean boots. newton OWNS his servant, as any other object. what battle ? 1825673;1529078583;asciilifeform;somehow today there's 0 newtons but whole buncha useless bootblacks tho 1825674;1529078635;mircea_popescu;"somehow" 1825675;1529078676;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824975 1825676;1529078676;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch." 1825677;1529078775;mircea_popescu;someone asked gorgo once, "how come we all have to sit on pikes as long as the car ?" and gorgo once answered : Επειδή γαμώ την ράτσα σου 1825678;1529078780;asciilifeform;if 'owns' were sufficient, the 'newtons' would not have succumbed, neh. evidently gotta also maintain the sharpened pikes in plain view 1825679;1529078787;mircea_popescu;not fucking so. 1825680;1529078801;mircea_popescu;newtons succumbed because overcheap overabundant food. 1825681;1529078832;asciilifeform;+ sewers ? 1825682;1529078842;mircea_popescu;etc. 1825683;1529078845;mircea_popescu;"it's easy now". 1825684;1529078925;mircea_popescu;holy shit, google thinks motto is /ˈmädō/ 1825685;1529078935;mircea_popescu;motherfucker on a stick, what is wrongggggg with these idiots. 1825686;1529078936;asciilifeform;lolwaat 1825687;1529079083;mircea_popescu;it's /mɒ`təʊ/, to not leave it in mystery. for one fucking thing, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS /ō/ in english. nor, for that matter, ä. 1825688;1529079178;mircea_popescu;the english vowels are /æ/ /ɑ/ /ɒ/ /ɑː/ /ɔ/ /ɔː/ /ɪ/ /e/ /ɛ/ /ʌ/ /ʊ/ and that's fucking IT. 1825689;1529079242;mircea_popescu;not like a dozen isn't plenty, in any case. 1825690;1529079425;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825649 << not even a bad idea. 1825691;1529079425;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 14:52 asciilifeform: once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 ) 1825692;1529079509;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825652 << well, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824343 so "soon" (tm) 1825693;1529079509;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 15:00 asciilifeform: this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target ) 1825694;1529079509;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 21:30 cnomad: floating an idea... do you folks have a batch of cr50s around that you might be willing to ship? 1825695;1529079596;mircea_popescu;lmao BingoBoingo! "The five young men have been ordered to inform police every time they release new music," << anyone recall ye olde soviet struggles with "rock music" ? 1825696;1529079610;BingoBoingo;AHA 1825697;1529079621;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma try it, die shot or none 1825698;1529079633;mircea_popescu;i wasn't proposing you wait on rando. 1825699;1529079639;asciilifeform;worst thing , i nuke a board or 2. 1825700;1529079676;asciilifeform;'go to war with army you have, not army you wish you had'(tm)(r)(bush II) 1825701;1529079821;mircea_popescu;i'm merely populating the list of answers for the inevitable later "shocked inquiries" of "wut did i do ?!?!?!" 1825702;1529079851;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, there's such a thing as "bitcoinbrat" on fetlife. 1825703;1529079875;mircea_popescu;spoiler : dumbass negress, thinks she's cool. "About me: your Goddess, your Princess, your Queen, your World, your Sole Life Purpose" etc. 1825704;1529079904;asciilifeform;was there a form for sending in cock cage measurements ? 1825705;1529079913;mircea_popescu;https://paypal.me/bitcoinbrat << begging link 1825706;1529079928;mod6;lol 1825707;1529079929;asciilifeform;prolly paypal api gives one 1825708;1529079952;mircea_popescu;ugly hambeast, too. 1825709;1529080001;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: does it ever happen that ~nonugly~ nonhambeast demands 'your queen' and cage measurement , or is the linkage unbroken 1825710;1529080107;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'sov struggle with rock music' is a massive reservoir of lulz largely even to this day untapped by entomologists. ( they tried something like a conditional surrender ) 1825711;1529080158;mircea_popescu;surely happens. most of them post elaborately framed pics and herp derp about tru feelings and other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_Uj0un-Ks bs. 1825712;1529080178;asciilifeform;i suspect the brits will replay it soon enuff, holding e.g. Officially Blessed concerts by Officially Tame jihadi singers etc 1825713;1529080230;mircea_popescu;and speaking of the "twu wuv" bullshit : me opened yesterday http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22642/pg22642-images.html ; on the very strong recommendation that d'annunzio actually is the dood mussolini copied, so as to give hitler a model of cool ~he~ could in turn copy. it's the original duce (of fiume), and really, the inventor of the whole personal-martial cool in degenerate euros. 1825714;1529080238;mircea_popescu;do you know what the fuck the whole thing's all about ? 1825715;1529080249;mircea_popescu;it's about how he had two women and never ordered them to eat each other out. 1825716;1529080259;mircea_popescu;PILES of pantsuit idiocy EVERYWHERE. 1825717;1529080283;*;asciilifeform not familiar 1825718;1529080296;mircea_popescu;a really ? how about the raid on vienna ? 1825719;1529080306;mircea_popescu;(dood flew over vienna in ww1, dropped leaflets) 1825720;1529080341;BingoBoingo;So many pantsuitist comparisons of Jihadi rap to US gangsta rap except... when the prototypical US ganster rappers NWA released "Straight out of compton" compton was majority black. Between then and now the hispanics ethnically cleansed Compton of black people. 1825721;1529080363;mircea_popescu;anyway. fiume, now in yugoshitia or something like that, was an italian colony that briefly went to war with usg's invented "italy" over this wholly own washington subsidiary not accepting their union. 1825722;1529080411;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : current "italy" is essentially the western sponsored invasion by the savoyards. about as italian as the mexican government of texas is truly canadian.) 1825723;1529080440;asciilifeform;unlike which other current eu 'country' ? 1825724;1529080497;mircea_popescu;mmm... pretty much all of them ? this is the stuff of the 1100s in other parts of the world. 1825725;1529080512;mircea_popescu;king of sardinia unifies italy, rly ? gimme a lulzbreak. 1825726;1529080524;asciilifeform;re vienna -- i've yet to read an airdropped leaflet that didn't have same flavour of 'author must be doing strong dope' 1825727;1529080541;mircea_popescu;hm 1825728;1529080545;asciilifeform;( ever see the japanese ones ? ) 1825729;1529080569;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, http://static1.habsburger.net/files/styles/large/public/originale/.importupload_mutschlechner_3dannunzio.jpg?itok=DMU-Nw8D 1825730;1529080620;asciilifeform;ya they all say ~same thing, 'this could have been bomb! bow to $nigerianprince !' 1825731;1529080622;mircea_popescu;"to your blind headstrong government" etc. 1825732;1529080669;mircea_popescu;"their victory is like ukrainian bread, you die waiting" seems an apt turn of phrase. 1825733;1529080705;asciilifeform;german leflets made primo toilet paper, according to folx in the know. 1825734;1529080740;mircea_popescu;this sort of very cheap and therefore very dumb "courage" is exactly why you can't simply tell idiots to desist, but gotta first crack their heads. 1825735;1529080754;mircea_popescu;"oh, german makes great tp hurr durr aren't i socially signalling". 1825736;1529080776;mircea_popescu;it didn't came so far to it making great cumrags. 1825737;1529080777;asciilifeform;0 courage involved, not so many su grunts could read de 1825738;1529080796;mircea_popescu;ah, i thought this was re london. 1825739;1529080800;asciilifeform;aa no 1825740;1529080814;mircea_popescu;lmao they seriously overflew russian villages ? 1825741;1529080816;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1825742;1529080822;asciilifeform;they had some ok ones, e.g. http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?200 1825743;1529080835;asciilifeform;, http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?199 , etc 1825744;1529080869;asciilifeform;not villages, lol. positions. 1825745;1529080889;asciilifeform;( speaking here of the 2nd war ) 1825746;1529080925;mircea_popescu;aha. 1825747;1529080949;mircea_popescu;i suspect that was mostly to annoy the commisars. 1825748;1529080976;asciilifeform;'leaflet war' is pretty dumb, imho, idea; the closest thing to successful tack was jp's, with the radio that played 90+% ameri-jazz and 10% 'your wife is getting waltzed' 1825749;1529081028;mircea_popescu;yep, that's definitely how you do it. 1825750;1529081037;mircea_popescu;directed porn, etc. 1825751;1529081072;mircea_popescu;exactly how all propaganda works, neh, they advertise cans to the washing machine while she watches tv instead of cooking. 1825752;1529081095;mircea_popescu;not as a matter of preference, but as a matter of necessity, "i can't not buy their junk because that'd mean not sitting here" 1825753;1529081198;asciilifeform;there's a crackpot theory that today's usa 'radio hobbyists' descend from usa troops in jp front ( and later korea ) building illicit radio sets to pick up jazz+wife broadcast 1825754;1529081212;mircea_popescu;i can see it. 1825755;1529081251;mircea_popescu;the problem is, the japanese didn't understand that the americans ~would prefer~ someone else fucking their wife while they play with the radio set. hence all the "airman's clubs" of putting house keys on coffee tablew and praying wife ends up with another's. 1825756;1529081269;mircea_popescu;this is always the problem with propaganda : ~because~ the propagandist wants, ~therefore~ the propagandist misunderstands. 1825757;1529081275;*;asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc 1825758;1529081286;mircea_popescu;there's an ancient german kiddie book i got as a kid, and it is 100% the story of propaganda. 1825759;1529081300;asciilifeform;lol was it max and morris ? 1825760;1529081302;mircea_popescu;it had a story of a hedghehog on whose birthday all other animals brought gifts 1825761;1529081312;mircea_popescu;the lion brought a hunk of meat... the hippo a tub of dirt.... 1825762;1529081319;asciilifeform;aaaa ! i remember that one 1825763;1529081322;mircea_popescu;you do ?! 1825764;1529081325;mircea_popescu;wtf was it called ? 1825765;1529081329;asciilifeform;yes ! tho can't recall where ! 1825766;1529081334;asciilifeform;but definitely had it. 1825767;1529081344;asciilifeform;possibly it's a riff on aesop 1825768;1529081345;mircea_popescu;humph. i've been trying for years to recall which the fuck it was. 1825769;1529081359;mircea_popescu;certainly. but very modernist illustration if memory serves. 1825770;1529081412;mircea_popescu;anyway, just because the japs' would have cut their own appendix out before permitting such a thing didn't mean the americans weren't vaguely excited and generally happy about the idea some other doods fucking the wives 1825771;1529081422;mircea_popescu;(now tell me : why weren't blacks permitted in the service ???) 1825772;1529081696;asciilifeform;iirc they had a black corps 1825773;1529081714;asciilifeform;used sorta like a штрафбат 1825774;1529082133;mircea_popescu;yeah, but had to be kept out of sight of the people sitting in trenches pillboxes etc dreaming about how big alien cock is holding mary sue five feet high in the air while reorganizing her viscerae. 1825775;1529082175;mircea_popescu;ie, "tentacle porn" consumers, possibly just as much "descend from usa troops in jp front". 1825776;1529082276;mircea_popescu;the ustardian view of females and male sexuality is not a free idiocy. it costs. this is what it costs -- all sex is inhabituation and if you insist on inhabituating boys with anything other than joyous and readily offered female sexual service, as was the norm in europe, you get tentacles and racism and whatnot. 1825777;1529082345;asciilifeform;that, or goat fucking, but it aint as if city bois had access to goats 1825778;1529082364;mircea_popescu;for some reason abram gannibal didn't have to be explained quite to the degree obama had to. i wonder why, and especially curious as to any explanations besides http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729826 1825779;1529082364;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 17:57 mircea_popescu: "Итак, тебе не заплачу я: Но если ты простая блядь, То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!" is not some kind of fucking joke. 1825780;1529083324;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825742 << that's beautiful, ought to be distributed in major american cities 1825781;1529083324;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 16:40 asciilifeform: they had some ok ones, e.g. http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?200 1825782;1529083430;mircea_popescu;oh which reminds me! yo douchebag whatever came of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794007 ? 1825783;1529083430;a111;Logged on 2018-04-08 01:43 douchebag: If I need to print off these flier, if I include the reciept of the printed fliers will you remburse them ? 1825784;1529083572;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825631 << updated, but it's a novel way of using manifest though: normally it requires a regrind where manifest is built up as you go, so the press order is enforced through graph. right now your manifest gives a press order, that's not enforced by anything 1825785;1529083572;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 13:10 diana_coman: phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/ 1825786;1529083607;mircea_popescu;phf but it can continue thenceforth correctly can it ? 1825787;1529083620;phf;yes! hence "novel" 1825788;1529083636;mircea_popescu;seemed to me the implicit "how to update projects w/o regrinding them" 1825789;1529083697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if not know d'annunzio, also not know rop ? 1825790;1529083715;mircea_popescu;rops* 1825791;1529083738;mircea_popescu;http://i-exc.ccm2.net/iex/1280/1124813875/1588098.jpg etc 1825792;1529083799;mircea_popescu;https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2015/10/6/6/8/0/680c8ac4-6c0c-11e5-8255-f5c8c939fd32.jpg 1825793;1529083977;mircea_popescu;"Perchè l'uomo ha nella sua natura questa orribile facoltà di godere con maggiore acutezza quando è consapevole di nuocere alla creatura da cui prende il godimento? Perchè un germe della tanto esecrata perversione sàdica è in ciascun uomo che ama e che desidera?" 1825794;1529083983;mircea_popescu;holy hell i can't read this inanity. 1825795;1529087116;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/15/the-most-patriotic-i-have-ever-seen-the-uruguayos/ << Bingo Blog - The Most Patriotic I Have Ever Seen The Uruguayos 1825796;1529088053;diana_coman;phf, well, it brings an existing project to the point from where it can be further changed/developed correctly; with respect to the past it makes now explicit the intended order (which existed anyway but was previously less strictly enforced meaning on branches and when those are brought together only) 1825797;1529089177;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825782 << seems to me that d00d got stuck in some sorta infinite loop 1825798;1529089177;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 17:23 mircea_popescu: oh which reminds me! yo douchebag whatever came of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794007 ? 1825799;1529089193;asciilifeform;( hey douchebag ! ^C^C^C^C^C^C !1111 ) 1825800;1529089218;mircea_popescu;possibru 1825801;1529089228;asciilifeform;whoknows maybe he wakes up before he ends up ^D 'd 1825802;1529091103;phf;asciilifeform: i got a feeling pay for your tits ruined him in a sense that he got micro optimized for hustle (which seems like it was his default mode to begin with). the only time he popped up since was when you proposed a 1btc for H1 crack 1825803;1529091377;mircea_popescu;why that and not say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798263 ? 1825804;1529091377;a111;Logged on 2018-04-13 18:59 thatbitchlola: I used to sell heroin to douchebag same area as him 1825805;1529091443;phf;ahaha, i missed that. well, that's certainly a higher probability take 1825806;1529092087;mircea_popescu;yes, but that leaves us unfettered to take on your unfactual feeling. why oh why, my dear phf, would you get such feelings ? hm ? HMMMM ? 1825807;1529092189;asciilifeform;witness the 'mysterious' lack of randos logging in and 'hey i heard something about btc, i can build an emp rig!11' etc 1825808;1529092241;asciilifeform;speaking of h1 , phf didja get a working snake ? 1825809;1529092248;asciilifeform;or lose steam 1825810;1529092252;asciilifeform;*lost 1825811;1529092266;*;mircea_popescu 'd have made a great ximenez 1825812;1529092610;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825804 << lol wasn't that one of the man's own sybilmuppets ? 1825813;1529092610;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 19:36 a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 18:59 thatbitchlola: I used to sell heroin to douchebag same area as him 1825814;1529092642;mircea_popescu;you know, contrary to your interpretation, i'm persuaded it was mostly actual orcs. 1825815;1529092654;asciilifeform;out of curiosity, why ? 1825816;1529092673;mircea_popescu;i don't know how to answer that question. 1825817;1529092700;mircea_popescu;for instance, do you think the deluge of fet girls is me talking to myself ? 1825818;1529092708;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's ( imho parsimonious ) model is that not 1 of the camgurlz touched irc , they got 5 $ or whatever for order of 'write these letters on yer tits' and douchebag worked the rest 1825819;1529092741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm persuaded that yours exist ( mircea_popescu is not in the habit of making ??? up from 0 , and did post his spamatron src and overall methodology ) 1825820;1529092766;mircea_popescu;but... same parsimonious model is parsimonious in the same way for the same reasons ? 1825821;1529092789;mircea_popescu;so there you go. "why! because i follow the clues offered / the story seems credible enough" 1825822;1529092836;mircea_popescu;there's a difference, of course, between "why would you" (ie, an in general discussion) and "why would i" which is much more speciffic and narrower. you were asking why-the-former, yes ? 1825823;1529093049;mircea_popescu;i also don't think you're going on random luser routers and load webirc to then up youself, disconnect and get aggitated. why not ? "parsimonious" etc. 1825824;1529093190;mircea_popescu;you realise this, yes, it's not just http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/ or http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ nor does it stop there. if we actually wanted to ~replicate~ weev's idea of "success", we could simply take over millions of "private" home routers, load # 1825825;1529093190;mircea_popescu;trilema via webirc and thereby obtain DEGREES OF MAGNITUDE more... whatever it is, than "social media" ever could or ever did or ever would provide. 1825826;1529093230;mircea_popescu;because no, there's no fucking difference. "facebook traffic", aka http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/ 1825827;1529093267;mircea_popescu;"what can you do ?" "umm.... i wasn't prepared to be asked this question." what the fuck is that ? "people" ? in WHAT FUCKING SENSE ? 1825828;1529093329;mircea_popescu;things i can mechanically replicate aren't people, that's the fucking definition, and no other definition could ever stand. 1825829;1529094159;asciilifeform;not same degree of credibility. i can't picture mircea_popescu sitting and cooking up random faux chix ( why?! ) whereas can easily picture bored 19yo zek doing same 1825830;1529094366;asciilifeform;real planet earth doesn't seem to offer a continuum between 'waste of meat' and 'does worthwhile things' , tho it could theoretically exist somehow . somehow it loox to be a binary. 1825831;1529094440;asciilifeform;there might somewhere exist a 'i build emp probe on mondays and read reddit on tuesdays' fella. but i haven't met one yet. 1825832;1529094491;mircea_popescu;so you just make a guess. 1825833;1529094499;asciilifeform;( there could even be somebody somewhere who drinks whore street cognac on mondays and smokes crack on tuesdays. but ditto ) 1825834;1529094546;mircea_popescu;the whole argument was centered on incomputability. you know it's incomputable, therefore you agree the why is weak, therefore that's all. 1825835;1529094588;asciilifeform;i dun propose it's mechanically litmusable, for all i know the hobo i met who claimed to be ex-general, really was. but 'smart money bets against'. 1825836;1529094593;mircea_popescu;traditionally this is signalled by the linguistic token "why not", though none of the bleaters active today understands the meaning of this (or any other token, come to thionkl of it) 1825837;1529094611;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno whose smart money. 1825838;1529094624;*;asciilifeform tightens gasmask 1825839;1529094710;*;asciilifeform habituated to working with heuristics , and generally does not enjoy the luxury of operating as if errything were equally possible 1825840;1529094730;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "haven't met one yet" ?! you met one yesterday, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825321 1825841;1529094730;a111;Logged on 2018-06-14 05:13 asciilifeform: .. or maybe not? somewhat contradictory fella 1825842;1529094757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu resolved the contradiction tho 1825843;1529094768;mircea_popescu;but ~you~ nevertheless met. 1825844;1529094770;asciilifeform;dutch is consistent , turns out, sack of sad 1825845;1529094833;asciilifeform;glitches in mental model dun count as 'met', just like lsd eater dun really 'talk to god' 1825846;1529094857;mircea_popescu;anyway, the operating difference here isn't "whether everything is equally possible" ; but rather "whether everything is equally uninteresting". in point of fact the situation where dood made up all the girls would be more ~interesting~ than the actual reality. that's how your notion of parsimony fails 1825847;1529094889;mircea_popescu;you seek ontological minimums irrespective of how they stand on the gnoseological potential space. 1825848;1529094903;asciilifeform;how'd it be 'more interesting' ? 1825849;1529094914;mircea_popescu;whereas, in reality, parsimony is multiplanar. you seek minimums, yes, but the simplest object is not strictly an existence concern. 1825850;1529094924;asciilifeform;pretty simple algo, take a 100 $ and a camwhore site, who wants -- can replicate 1825851;1529094934;mircea_popescu;and then keep them straight ? 1825852;1529094934;asciilifeform;( supposing the prize weren't meanwhile gone ) 1825853;1529094954;asciilifeform;it isn't a particularly impressive feat of keep-straight 1825854;1529094971;asciilifeform;plus on at least 1 occasion he let crosstalk leak 1825855;1529094974;mircea_popescu;i dunno why you imagine sybilling is free. it's not. in point of fact, the "use humans" is so much cheaper, all sybils known to date worked that way. 1825856;1529094988;asciilifeform;not even farting is free in this sense. but it's cheap. 1825857;1529095003;asciilifeform;and naturally he used humans, to generate the photos. 1825858;1529095006;mircea_popescu;mah work in reddit / fetlife / whatever machine-infiltration is pioneering specifically because ~nobody else~ ever fucking does this. because it's expensive. 1825859;1529095017;mircea_popescu;they instead try to "brigade", which is wetware sybilling. 1825860;1529095018;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform does not posit that the photos were of anyffing but actual chix ) 1825861;1529095032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, we're discussing the strings here. 1825862;1529095038;asciilifeform;right 1825863;1529095184;asciilifeform;how many shots was it, 71 ? 1825864;1529095238;mircea_popescu;i dun recall, something like that. 1825865;1529095251;asciilifeform;i see it as elementarily more parsimonious , to suppose that d00d ( who in every other visible to us walk of life took the utmost laziest examtaker shortcut ) generated 71 btc addrs , and hired $ 5 camwhores , than the notion that 71 females in total have even touched bitcoin. 1825866;1529095264;asciilifeform;much less visited 19yo zek's hovel under whatever pretext. 1825867;1529095283;mircea_popescu;this is not what's proposed. 1825868;1529095289;asciilifeform;what am i missing 1825869;1529095400;asciilifeform;is mircea_popescu's version that he , for some unknown reason all from same handful of ip, actually put them on the chan ..? 1825870;1529095625;mircea_popescu;your theory is that dood opened 71 irc sessions and typed stuff in ; his theory, which i said seems to me persuasive, was that ... well im too lazy to dig it up, he put it in somewhere, something to the effect of giving them an irc link. 1825871;1529095639;mircea_popescu;exactly like i or you do it, for that matter. 1825872;1529095656;asciilifeform;and not 1 of'em asked where the promised coin is, why she's getting a fiver instead of two bitcents ? 1825873;1529095662;mircea_popescu;not one. 1825874;1529095676;mircea_popescu;nikki_ff also never thanked you for the up. not that i told her not to, or to. 1825875;1529095692;asciilifeform;i suppose this one'll only get properly settled if/when douchebag confesses 1825876;1529095695;mircea_popescu;the other one asked for the notes spyked hasn't yet published when and because i told her to, otherwise it'd have stayed private. 1825877;1529095696;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1825878;1529095735;asciilifeform;tho perhaps even confession won't suffice, sorta how conan doyle believed to the end of his days that houdini was genuinely powerful shaman, rather than stage artist 1825879;1529095757;mircea_popescu;or the guy for which the kugerrand is named believed earth is plateshaped. 1825880;1529095761;mod6;wasnt there a bunch of them nagging about withdrawls tho? 1825881;1529095766;trinque;yeeeep 1825882;1529095768;trinque;:D 1825883;1529095783;mircea_popescu;basically alf has trouble internalizing just how disciplined modern zek is. 1825884;1529095789;trinque;and lemme just say, if that was douchebag or the other guy PM-ing me, gay. 1825885;1529095800;mircea_popescu;things come "natural" to them that blow the anthropologist away. that's what socialization even fucking is. 1825886;1529095801;mod6;:D 1825887;1529095826;mircea_popescu;do you understand that all over this planet there's blkjfdl to the right of sldkjldkjf 99.99999% of the time, and almost NEVER the other way around ? 1825888;1529095828;mircea_popescu;why should this be ? 1825889;1529095846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly for the same reason as http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html 1825890;1529095850;mircea_popescu;and my telling you blkjfdl = fork and sldkjldkjf = knife helps resolve this mystery ? HOW ? WHY ?! 1825891;1529095872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rather like that. 1825892;1529095933;asciilifeform;at any rate if it somehow comes out that douchebag's claim was 100% god's truth, and asciilifeform's -- cruel libel, i'll smile 1825893;1529095942;asciilifeform;but thus far d00d's works, if you will, are consistent with my picture. 1825894;1529096001;asciilifeform;no ferraris thus far, only cardboard cutout. 1825895;1529096024;asciilifeform;( recall the illustrious reptilia and his auto ) 1825896;1529096033;mircea_popescu;the greatness of "your picture", this and others, is that most things are "consistent" with them. 1825897;1529096056;mircea_popescu;takes a little bit of escherian margins, it's true, but the result is quite artisitcally impressive. 1825898;1529096189;asciilifeform;i'd be that mircea_popescu doesn't like magic shows much. 1825899;1529096210;mircea_popescu;i don't like impudent magic shows. 1825900;1529096213;asciilifeform;( to appreciate magic show, you gotta be at peace with being tricked, if only for sport ) 1825901;1529096228;ben_vulpes;(matchsticks!) 1825902;1529096229;mircea_popescu;i enjoy them inside of doors, when my girls do tricks. but pompous asshole imagining he actually tricks me... heh. noty. 1825903;1529096239;asciilifeform;seems like he might have , tho ? 1825904;1529096256;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu actually buys the 'gurlz spoke on irc' bit 1825905;1529096263;mircea_popescu;sure. 1825906;1529096279;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes don't remind him of that one, he's still not solved it i bet :D 1825907;1529096285;ben_vulpes;nor fuckin i 1825908;1529096291;asciilifeform;i promise i'd say, if i had, lol 1825909;1529096297;mircea_popescu;nor ever will ye. IT IS TOO MUCH ALIEN TECHNOLOGEES 1825910;1529096310;asciilifeform;it and 9000 good magic trix 1825911;1529096314;mircea_popescu;aha. 1825912;1529096317;asciilifeform;( that asciilifeform also not solved ) 1825913;1529096340;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would make a pretty killer houdini 1825914;1529096349;mircea_popescu;no, i can still get it up. 1825915;1529096354;asciilifeform;lol 1825916;1529096365;asciilifeform;pretty sure d00d didnt live longenuff to have problem getting it up 1825917;1529096372;mircea_popescu;ithought he was famous for it. 1825918;1529096384;asciilifeform;haven't heard this one, lol 1825919;1529096398;mircea_popescu;really ?! 1825920;1529096411;asciilifeform;nope 1825921;1529096459;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. let's call it "not had any children and go to bed". 1825922;1529096956;asciilifeform;how d00d managed to avoid impregnating anyffing in 1900s -- is indeed good q. ( perhaps -- magic!111 ) 1825923;1529096971;mircea_popescu;lol. escapist ejaculate. 1825924;1529097006;mod6;whoop der it aint 1825925;1529097032;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1825926;1529097045;asciilifeform;'how did it get into arse?!' 'sleight of hand!' 1825927;1529097211;asciilifeform;there was episode where he exposed a (very fuckable) mindreading chix, on account of being the only referee who wasn't fucking her 1825928;1529097233;asciilifeform;i suspect that he didnt swing that way 1825929;1529098885;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825808 << slow progress, snake soldered but untested. i realized last night that i don't have any linux devices, and was too tired to figure out how to do usb-serial/../new_id equivalent on a bsd. 1825930;1529098885;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 19:50 asciilifeform: speaking of h1 , phf didja get a working snake ? 1825931;1529098941;phf;i picked an x1 carbon from a pile, going to put trinque's cuntoo on it while i'm on the road.. 1825932;1529099919;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in belle epoque rotaku, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAXs4c9Ync 1825933;1529100949;asciilifeform;phf: aaaactually you can test the snake with the selfsame cbook, plug 1 end into usbc and other into the usb3 jack . in dev mode shell you will get the ttys , and can connect 1825934;1529100953;asciilifeform;no 2nd box needed. 1825935;1529100956;*;asciilifeform brb, meat 1825936;1529101940;phf;asciilifeform: i guessed that might be the case, but i ought to get that carbon operational again anyway. 1825937;1529103747;asciilifeform;phf: x60 finally croaked ? 1825938;1529105860;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in literature, "La décadence de cette ancienne maison avait, sans nul doute, suivi régulièrement son cours; l'effémination des mâles était allée en s'accentuant" (huysmans) 1825939;1529108453;phf;asciilifeform: the way it looks x60 is not going to be replaced anytime soon, but it's running freebsd, and i avoid putting unstable stuff on it. i want a linux box for messy hacking though. 1825940;1529108554;phf;!!up abrelosojos 1825941;1529108554;deedbot;abrelosojos voiced for 30 minutes. 1825942;1529109467;abrelosojos;!!up 1825943;1529109468;deedbot;You may not $up yourself. 1825944;1529109471;abrelosojos;!!v 1825945;1529112145;mod6;!!up loper_os_cr50 1825946;1529112146;deedbot;loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. 1825947;1529131210;douchebag;Morning TMSR 1825948;1529135330;ave1;Morning, douchebag, you're traveling through Europe now? 1825949;1529137219;douchebag;I think those plans are going to be delayed unfortunatly. 1825950;1529140572;mircea_popescu;a well, what else are plans for. 1825951;1529141178;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0gXiA/?raw=true << aaand in other not-news, motherfucker i CANT STAAAAAAND the "woke" ustardian crowd. 1825952;1529141226;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, pompous inanity in a light bore sauce. how ? how does anyone get through their days with these shits ? 1825953;1529141251;douchebag;The best part about making plans is when bullshit comes up and prevents said plans from taking place. 1825954;1529141300;mircea_popescu;douchebag so, no more europe, no more start-up ? getting married isntead or jail or what. 1825955;1529142526;douchebag;Nah, I've just had a number of family related issues come up suddenly along with some other factors that would make it difficult for me to travel overseas within the next few months. 1825956;1529142599;mircea_popescu;sucks. 1825957;1529142667;douchebag;Shit happens, what can I say 1825958;1529148611;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, google "doesn't know" http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/ exists ; if you google for anal child all you get is other articles that reference it, and pages like say trilema.com/2015/03 ; but the article itself "dun exist". 1825959;1529152546;asciilifeform;i recall (but for some reason cannot find in logz..) mircea_popescu discovering this several yrs ago 1825960;1529152591;mircea_popescu;i'm like an old man enjoying his feudal domains and his alzheimer's, i keep finding the same things over and over again. 1825961;1529152601;mircea_popescu;the joy -- undiminished, each time. 1825962;1529152654;asciilifeform;curious, is the ro original of the piece also on their magic list 1825963;1529152661;asciilifeform;or only the engl transl 1825964;1529152811;mircea_popescu;nope, ro is there. 1825965;1529152849;mircea_popescu;lotta "Prevenția înainte de toate. Cum să protejăm copiii de abuzul sexual books.google.com Translate this page Elisabeth Raffauf - 2016 - ‎Psychology" bullshit, too. of course. 1825966;1529152919;mircea_popescu;fucking pedo smile on that woman... 1825967;1529160601;asciilifeform;in other archaeology: re particle glitching : apparently even hard (100kV+) xray does ~nuffin to current-day asics , needs -- ideally -- fast neutrons (good luck finding this in jungle conditions) or at the very least hard gamma (co-60 , possibly eu-152) 1825968;1529160652;mircea_popescu;by now it's more likely to melt. 1825969;1529160685;asciilifeform;problem is in other direction, very very little actually interacts with half mm of si slice 1825970;1529160703;mircea_popescu;how about you know, a few Bs ? 1825971;1529160720;asciilifeform;slowed by the packaging, apparently 1825972;1529160733;asciilifeform;( i have a pretty good B source, did nuffin ) 1825973;1529160793;mircea_popescu;tsk 1825974;1529160793;asciilifeform;gold standard in heavy industrial world is apparently fast neutron. ( thermal neutron also worx ) 1825975;1529160815;mircea_popescu;say, how about voltage shenanigans ? 1825976;1529160874;asciilifeform;this worked in the past, but cr50 seems to include boobytrap for voltage glitching 1825977;1529160887;mircea_popescu;turns it off ? 1825978;1529160903;asciilifeform;resets at first sign of unstable v 1825979;1529160909;mircea_popescu;what if you simply clip something to the power and gnd pins and harmonics the hell out of it ? o wow, really ? 1825980;1529160924;asciilifeform;aha 1825981;1529160956;mircea_popescu;a proud flagship of the confederacy of dunces. 1825982;1529160966;asciilifeform;particle diddling is great , in theory, as there is not really a practical defense against it 1825983;1529161025;asciilifeform;the satellite folx have largely given up on making logic impervious to particles, they moved to tandemism instead 1825984;1529161060;asciilifeform;( not that anybody would spring for troo rad-hard in konsoomer crapola, anyway ) 1825985;1529161485;asciilifeform;a steerable linear accelerator ( a la electron microscope's deflector ) would make for a pretty universal , if costly, fritz cure. 1825986;1529161524;asciilifeform;2-5MEv ~guaranteed to flip bit. 1825987;1529161551;mircea_popescu;a steerable linear accelerator'd be a few million. 1825988;1529161568;mircea_popescu;but, yes, in characteristical fashion the problem fritz chip proposes to solve is not solvable. 1825989;1529161571;asciilifeform;if bought from usg, yes, million 1825990;1529161664;asciilifeform;enemy didn't set out to make impossible wall; simply tall enuff that the headache far exceeds what anybody's willing to bother with. and to date seems to have succeeded. 1825991;1529161681;mircea_popescu;the success entirely depends on man-alone-ism 1825992;1529161691;asciilifeform;aaha 1825993;1529161764;mircea_popescu;amusingly, 1980s vintage siemensen can be had for as little as 20k 1825994;1529161836;mircea_popescu;anyway, collimation's the real problem here. 1825995;1529161856;mircea_popescu;afaik no nm addressable items even exist. tho they should. 1825996;1529162130;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/i-dont-understand-a-fucking-word-this-man-is-saying-help-me/ << Trilema - I don't understand a fucking word this man is saying. Help me! 1825997;1529164589;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ha. hence why i said 'yes 1m, if buying usg' 1825998;1529164616;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you dun need nm addressing, or much of any addressing, tho, random flippage of sram would handily suffice for just about any defritzing job 1825999;1529164633;asciilifeform;even better if it can be aimed without latching up power supply, etc. circuitry. 1826000;1529164831;mircea_popescu;a surplus medical piece's not even a bad investment in capital goods then 1826001;1529164847;mircea_popescu;though ideally one with a microwave source rather than some rare metal capsule. 1826002;1529164879;asciilifeform;hey if can get same result with a 100 $ co-60 capsule, as with 100k$ accelerator, it's a win 1826003;1529164900;mircea_popescu;conceivably. 1826004;1529164915;asciilifeform;the former is a pretty blunt knife tho. 1826005;1529165018;asciilifeform;funnily enuff, open market item in ameristan. 1826006;1529165036;asciilifeform;ships via the post ( in lead can ) 1826007;1529165070;mircea_popescu;well, it's comparatively safe ; not like pornography or, god forbid, printed matter pertaining to abortion. 1826008;1529165083;asciilifeform;lol 1826009;1529165167;asciilifeform;( there are some lulzy countries like ru where anyffing that radiates moar than a banana, requires note from hitler ) 1826010;1529165216;mircea_popescu;which technically includes chinese cement, but the fanfic "fails to notice" thereby "it never happened" 1826011;1529165252;asciilifeform;they routinely turn away chinesium at the customs post there, on account of items like this cement. 1826012;1529165324;mircea_popescu;aha. 1826013;1529165347;asciilifeform;( ru has possibly world's most fascist customs, recall the incident with the chinese teapots ) 1826014;1529165350;mircea_popescu;except when they don't, but sure. 1826015;1529165359;asciilifeform;well naturally 'except when don't' lol 1826016;1529165467;*;asciilifeform fascinated with orcistani customs politic 1826017;1529165492;mircea_popescu;whyssat ? 1826018;1529165528;asciilifeform;errything from uruguay, argentina, weirdos, to diana_coman's taxed FUCKGOATS , etc 1826019;1529165541;asciilifeform;no rhyme or reason to it 1826020;1529165624;asciilifeform;usa seems to have the most permissive customs, pretty much anyffing that doesn't set off the dogs, is ignored 1826021;1529165676;asciilifeform;( woe be unto the tourist carrying sausage ) 1826022;1529165763;mircea_popescu;except girl ankle weights, aged cheeses, money, clothes that don't look like they're intended for the servants, and on it goes. 1826023;1529165809;asciilifeform;i've yet to see anybody anywhere give a shit re clothes 1826024;1529165832;asciilifeform;but possibly , idk, what did mircea_popescu have, gold-embroidered epaulettes ? diamond cuffs ? 1826025;1529165860;mircea_popescu;i think it's on trilema somewhere, customs dood was liek "but don't you have any normal clothes ?!" 1826026;1529165892;asciilifeform;what would be 'normal clothes' ? 1826027;1529166000;mircea_popescu;i dunno... i assume what quentin tarantino dresses jackson and travolta in, so they look like "a couple of dorks" 1826028;1529166015;asciilifeform;re ankle weights, possibly these look exactly like a frag in the xray 1826029;1529166031;mircea_popescu;likely. 1826030;1529166054;asciilifeform;( in usa the inspector monkey dun even get a say, the machine's ocr thing turns on red light, and monkey is stuck filling out form ) 1826031;1529166119;mircea_popescu;i believe. 1826032;1529172182;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-16#1825995 << revisiting upstack -- the chip is by far easier to move, than the beam . 1826033;1529172182;a111;Logged on 2018-06-16 15:10 mircea_popescu: afaik no nm addressable items even exist. tho they should. 1826034;1529172201;mircea_popescu;certainly. 1826035;1529172461;asciilifeform;( incidentally a cf-252 neutron source is said to cost a btc or three, but -- unsurprisingly -- not in konsoomer retail ) 1826036;1529172559;mircea_popescu;you really working to earn that terrorist badge, arentcha 1826037;1529172574;asciilifeform;'may as well hang for a sheep as for lamb' lol 1826038;1529172852;asciilifeform;~pocket-sized neutron sources with 0 rare metals have been demonstrated (e.g. penning's) but rather hightech artifact 1826039;1529172871;asciilifeform;dunno if anybody's built in jungle conditions anyffing better than farnsworth's electrostatic confinement thing. 1826040;1529172908;asciilifeform;( the latter apparently in perennial fashion among the moar moneyed 'make magazine' derps, 'look ma, i have fusion' ) 1826041;1529172993;asciilifeform;this approach is only attractive/economical compared to linear accelerator. 1826042;1529173058;BingoBoingo;Gotta build jungle mud huts with the jungle mud you have, not the jungle mud you want 1826043;1529173065;asciilifeform;more or less 1826044;1529173233;asciilifeform;( imho the gedankenexperiment of 'can haz sub-$10k 3MEv chip fuzzer?' deserves at least some log space ) 1826045;1529173289;mircea_popescu;why sub 10k and why 3m ? 1826046;1529173290;asciilifeform;( hey kanzure ! wanna do something actually useful with that '2 mil' pile of scrap gear ? ) 1826047;1529173295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rough figure 1826048;1529173374;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 3MEv is , if the satellite folx are to be believed, squarely above the boundary where enuff energy is transferred to flip bit , but not so much as to thermonuke the semiconductor 1826049;1529173402;asciilifeform;( tho with every shot there is a probability of, e.g., catastrophic latchup, short circuit , magic smoke ) 1826050;1529173406;mircea_popescu;this'd benefit from actual documentation. 1826051;1529173445;asciilifeform;the only open documentation seems to be from semiconductor houses , there's some material from altera co, i did not bother to link ( who wants pdf ) , can prolly dredge it up again if somebody really wants 1826052;1529173523;asciilifeform;aside from golden toilet satellite gear makers, it seems to be the fpga folks who most concern with 'single event upset' ( term of art for this item ) , as a flipped bit in fpga config , even down on earth, routinely translates into magicsmokerelease 1826053;1529173550;mircea_popescu;aha 1826054;1529173567;asciilifeform;interestingly (and possibly surprisingly to the uninitiated) sram is actually ~moar~ sensitive to particle than dram 1826055;1529173576;asciilifeform;on account of smaller capacitance of the circuit 1826056;1529173644;asciilifeform;most real-world 'single event' seems to originate from alpha-emitting crapola in the chip solder balls, rather than the proverbial 'cosmic ray' 1826057;1529173674;asciilifeform;( the ~internal~ solder balls, which replaced ye olde gold whiskers for die to package linkage , that is ) 1826058;1529173677;mircea_popescu;likely. 1826059;1529173708;asciilifeform;( for folx who slept through kindergarten -- garden variety alpha is 5Mev and above , strictly on acct of mass ) 1826060;1529173760;asciilifeform;recall ancient thread re semiconductor houses buying up hulls of sunken ww1 ships , cathedral roofs, etc 1826061;1529173814;asciilifeform;( so that they can -- lol -- sell moar non-ecc ram ... ) 1826062;1529173880;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> i dunno... i assume what quentin tarantino dresses jackson and travolta in, so they look like "a couple of dorks" << hehe 1826063;1529174178;asciilifeform;i find it interesting that google's approach to building cr50 ( 'hardcopy fpga' ) is actually ~moar~ diddleable, via this method, than if they had shipped ordinary fpga 1826064;1529174188;asciilifeform;( tho ordinary fpga is moar susceptible to classical pills ) 1826065;1529178938;douchebag;Hey mircea_popescu, I'm going through a pretty difficult time in my life right now. I'm working a job that will not improve me as a person 1826066;1529179027;douchebag;Would you be willing to assign me a list of tasks to complete each week, and if I successfully complete each task would you compensate my work? 1826067;1529179219;douchebag;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825875 << confess to what? 1826068;1529179219;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 20:48 asciilifeform: i suppose this one'll only get properly settled if/when douchebag confesses 1826069;1529179389;douchebag;I started off just messaging girls on discord and seeing if they were interested in making money andgiving me a cut 1826070;1529179514;douchebag;However, I found it was much easier to just pick up prostitutes and throw them some $ to show tits and walk them through the process in person 1826071;1529182752;asciilifeform;douchebag: re works -- what do you know how to do ? 1826072;1529182928;asciilifeform;douchebag: personally i'm not fixated on knowing how you pulled the particular trick 1826073;1529183436;BingoBoingo;^ When alf fixates on mysteries the result is NOT a sporadic comment every couple weeks 1826074;1529183833;mircea_popescu;douchebag not really. we had something like that a few months earlier and it went nowhere. 1826075;1529183833;mircea_popescu;it's true that it was geared towardsthe capacities and abilities of a presumptively independent republican lord, whereas you evidently need more hands-on tutoring and training. this isn't the end of the world, of course, but it is strictly uninteresting to me, as i expect to get a slavegirl out of that degree of involvement, and you don't pass the bioquals. 1826076;1529184256;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/man-extradited-to-us-over-silk-road-allegations-after-2-5-year-wait-in-thai-jail/ << Qntra - Man Extradited To US Over Silk Road Allegations After 2.5 Year Wait In Thai Jail 1826077;1529185024;asciilifeform;douchebag: with the sheer abundance of unsolved boojums, even in past few wks of log, it boggles my mind why you do not pick one up and make it yer own 1826078;1529185057;mircea_popescu;can't do that until middle-class "rich" 1826079;1529185304;asciilifeform;d00d seems to have ~some~ spare time, neh 1826080;1529185434;mircea_popescu;there's a reason i do this level with girls. in between the "gotta eat", which readily and correctly is resolved by "eat out of the slave trough" and "i got ideas and things, which readily is correctly resoved by the whip, there's just too many failure modes. 1826081;1529185859;asciilifeform;if memory serves, the survival record for n00bz that drift so quickly to the 'how do i pay rent from this' phase, is poor 1826082;1529185945;mircea_popescu;eh, the record of "i am independently wealthy lalala" folk isn't good either. 1826083;1529185973;asciilifeform;who do we have in this weight category aside from mircea_popescu ? 1826084;1529185974;mircea_popescu;truth be told, the republic isn't really for anyone. 1826085;1529185993;mircea_popescu;like science, you know, there's not 1 scientist per 10k "sciences" academia departments. 1826086;1529186012;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eg, you had some friend come over long ago, was going to do laser work for early model of fuckgoats ? 1826087;1529186022;mircea_popescu;or take pete d, or who the hell else. plenty of people. 1826088;1529186041;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: diametric ? last i knew, he had too many childrenz, went to the same bottom of the sea as those folx tend to go to 1826089;1529186075;mircea_popescu;also not a rare problem. 1826090;1529186155;asciilifeform;d00d wasn't 'wealthy' tho, in any sense i can think of 1826091;1529186166;mircea_popescu;i said "middle class rich". 1826092;1529186169;asciilifeform;aa 1826093;1529186187;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform rowed in the same galley as him, for a while under his command ) 1826094;1529186242;asciilifeform;'middle class rich' folx are typically inch short of being flat broke. ( this is likely not a surprise to mircea_popescu ) 1826095;1529186280;asciilifeform;and the moar they succumb to usg 'investments', the moar broke 1826096;1529186289;mircea_popescu;like having children ? 1826097;1529186293;asciilifeform;for instance 1826098;1529186297;mircea_popescu;right. 1826099;1529186323;asciilifeform;followed shortly by startupism, realestatism, etc 1826100;1529186361;asciilifeform;( the former is a pretty reliable way to lose one's shirt, in asciilifeform's experience ) 1826101;1529186388;mircea_popescu;these are all plied specifically as ways to plug the printing press circuitry, lest it leaks. 1826102;1529186393;mircea_popescu;work pretty well, too. 1826103;1529186403;asciilifeform;verily, worx great. 1826104;1529186433;mircea_popescu;as naggum well put it, "have a kid or two, a start-up or two, an ambulance ride or two, suddenly your imaginary independence you sacrificed your youth for is nowehre in sight" 1826105;1529186445;asciilifeform;aaha 1826106;1529186456;asciilifeform;in current-day ameristan, just takes 1 ambulance ride, really, if planets align correctly 1826107;1529186469;asciilifeform;or 1 dumb kid, or 1 'underwater' piece of land, etc. 1826108;1529186471;mircea_popescu;but, the working of the wool shear is not for the sheep to meditate upon. 1826109;1529186476;mircea_popescu;they got grass to process. 1826110;1529186493;asciilifeform;oddly enuff the sheep sometimes appear to be entirely aware. 1826111;1529186500;asciilifeform;but line up, go figure, anyway, for shears. 1826112;1529186505;mircea_popescu;this is the way of sheep, to appear to be entirely aware. 1826113;1529186511;mircea_popescu;it's why people fuck them, sometimes. 1826114;1529186519;asciilifeform;this has to be it. 1826115;1529186572;mircea_popescu;hey, wanna never have to kill anyone, learn to like the soylent. 1826116;1529186597;BingoBoingo;Maybe some people just like walking around with a dick that smells of lanolin without using lotion? 1826117;1529186774;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: picture, d00d gets hold of a few coins, then... sells ( why? to buy diapers ? i dunno ) 1826118;1529186810;mircea_popescu;they're not real until sold, rite ? 1826119;1529186818;asciilifeform;somethinglikethat 1826120;1529187128;asciilifeform;upstack, pete_d might qualify as example. i still have nfi what his problem was. 1826121;1529187138;asciilifeform;( possibly, not knowing how to do anyffing useful ) 1826122;1529187163;mircea_popescu;in other solipsisms, i threw out a rebours & l'innocente, because the suck, re-reading my zuleika rewrite instead, very happy with it. 1826123;1529187175;asciilifeform;( afaik d00d was burdened by no day jobs ) 1826124;1529187203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform had job, kids, marriage, circle of friends, everything else. like cazalla say or w/e. 1826125;1529187279;asciilifeform;i dun recall any mention of job. but aside from that, yea 1826126;1529187315;asciilifeform;d00d decided he'd rather degrease old porche engines, rather than tmsr. 1826127;1529187363;mircea_popescu;i don't think it's nearly as rare as you think. 1826128;1529187383;asciilifeform;not rare. ( where is, e.g., mike_c ? Framedragger ? etc ) 1826129;1529187446;asciilifeform;characteristically, nothing is ever heard , at least from asciilifeform's observatory, re the marvelous feats of degreasing , afterward 1826130;1529187535;mircea_popescu;there isn't really much to tell, which is why "happily ever after" goes the expression. 1826131;1529187535;asciilifeform;one time i remember writing to kako, asked 'so what great things you accomplished since', answer was hissy fit 1826132;1529187562;asciilifeform;'who said i have to write for you to read, motherfucker' etc 1826133;1529187572;mircea_popescu;well... isn't that right ? 1826134;1529187596;asciilifeform;sure. dun really make a diff, to me. 1826135;1529187610;asciilifeform;but imho entomologically interesting. 1826136;1529187621;asciilifeform;'proudly going my way!' d00d with 0 words to say. 1826137;1529187659;mircea_popescu;if every brick standing for eight to twenty centuries in an indistinct wall spoke the whole time we'd go mad. 1826138;1529187670;mircea_popescu;imagine the patter! 1826139;1529187687;asciilifeform;if bricks could speak, betcha there'd be a subreddit for'em 1826140;1529187720;mircea_popescu;"today, a snail came. i am not sure about this new moss growing. the wind is uncharacteristically global this time of the cycle. bla, bla, bla..." 1826141;1529187729;asciilifeform;'there is a nest of spiders in me' 1826142;1529187748;mircea_popescu;Finisce sempre cosi, con la morte. Prima, però, c'è stata la vita. La vita, nascosta sotto il bla, bla, bla, bla, bla. Tutto è sedimentato sotto il chiacchiericcio e il rumore : il silenzio è il sentimento, l'emozione e la paura. Gli sparuti, incostanti sprazzi di bellezza. E poi lo squallore disgraziato e l'uomo miserabile. Tutto è sepolto dalla coperta dell'imbarazzo dello stare al mondo. Bla, bla, bla, bla, bla. 1826143;1529187765;asciilifeform;i can actually picture bricks in some old walls having something of interest to say. in this sense the biomass in fact loses to brick ! 1826144;1529187804;asciilifeform;'if the walls could speak'. 1826145;1529187835;mircea_popescu;if the walls could speak, no one would listen to any degree. there's already too much to read. 1826146;1529187861;asciilifeform;( the brits seem to be afflicted by a belief that... they can speak. witness the demolition of the prison where they murdered rudolf hess; or the bulldozing of every place the skripal d00d ever sat down in; etc ) 1826147;1529187914;asciilifeform;but sure. 1826148;1529188024;mircea_popescu;eh, england's a shithole to the degree a waspnest better approximates it. they have to constantly tear down old cells to chew into new ones. 1826149;1529188048;asciilifeform;i suppose 'heretic sat here' is as good excuse as any, for demolition 1826150;1529188068;asciilifeform;iirc just recently BingoBoingo linked to a BingoBoingostani piece re some dopehead's house being bulldozed 1826151;1529188379;asciilifeform;!!up kanzure 1826152;1529188380;deedbot;kanzure voiced for 30 minutes. 1826153;1529188395;mircea_popescu;they have this HUGE problem in the orclands with "buildings" without title on land the builders don't own. 1826154;1529188420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even in moscow 1826155;1529188424;mircea_popescu;owing on one hand to the extreme cheapness of building materials and on the other hand to the absolutely beaslty notions of southern socialism, as to the "rights" the scum has. 1826156;1529188450;asciilifeform;kanzure: if you got something to say, it goes here, not in pm 1826157;1529188485;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's this constant "oh, there's a lot of us, what can you do". i dunno... machine gun the leftovers after extracting all prostitutable girlies ? how about ? 1826158;1529188655;asciilifeform;the great biomass reducers of the past, tamerlane to old man schicklgruber , never had any problem realizing 'what can do', aha 1826159;1529188737;mircea_popescu;did they ever establish whether granpa alois was actually somewhat jewish ? 1826160;1529188761;asciilifeform;afaik unknown, young feller had the archives cremated after anschluss 1826161;1529188814;asciilifeform;there's 2 separate j00 versions tho, there's one where he's bastard son of a iirc merchant 1826162;1529188866;kanzure;asciilifeform: did you need something from me? 1826163;1529188893;asciilifeform;kanzure: there was a bit of useful work for a fella with a linear accelerator, see logs. 1826164;1529188915;kanzure;oh, i don't believe in particle acceleration 1826165;1529188923;asciilifeform;aite. 1826166;1529188948;mircea_popescu;ah there it is, Leopold Frankenberger, the 19yo son of the jewish family where the 40yo grandmother worked as a cook. this is ~about what i recalled. 1826167;1529190034;mircea_popescu;you know, the whole pile re hitler ancestry is fucking hysterical. fellow "absorbed austrian granite through his father", believe it or not. whatever that might mean. 1826168;1529190160;mircea_popescu;on the otherhand, but just as amusing, the simple and plainly evident fact that period europe consisted of ~way~ the fuck more people who couldn't stand jews than of people who liked hitler is, somehow, not much of a subject for the pomposity calling itself "scholarship". really, this happenstance doesn't happen to be at all interesting, somehiw ? 1826169;1529190600;mircea_popescu;oodles upon oodles of discussions of "antisemitism", a term very substantially like phologiston : its mere inclusion in a text constitutes an ironclad guarantee that nothing intelligent, useful or interesting will be found there. 1826170;1529190617;mircea_popescu;"mommy, mommy, the kids in school hate me." "why ?" "THEYRE BARBARIC!!!!" "oh, i see!" 1826171;1529193693;BingoBoingo;From the mines: " 1826172;1529193693;BingoBoingo;"It got to the point where they were showing me that the president of Nigeria had sent me a letter. It had his picture on it and everything," Haines said. "I looked it up on the computer to see what the Nigerian president looked like, and it was him." Once, he received an email claiming to be from Robert Mueller, who was then the FBI director. The email was addressed to Haines, code-name "B-DOG," and it was signed with the FBI's address 1826173;1529193693;BingoBoingo;and official seal. "I wish you can remove doubt and suspicious and go ahead I assured you that you will never regret this fund release," the email said in part." 1826174;1529193735;mircea_popescu;people usually send letters with their own picture on them where this guy is from ?! 1826175;1529193739;mircea_popescu;what, like an xmas card ? 1826176;1529193927;BingoBoingo;Typical USG strategy: "Mircea Popescu can't exist, he has a blog and pictures and everything" 1826177;1529194030;BingoBoingo;Only Elon Musk Oxen with twitters and privacy can be rich 1826178;1529194043;mircea_popescu;wait, the president of nigeria rich ?! 1826179;1529194067;BingoBoingo;All that oil 1826180;1529194082;BingoBoingo;Like Maduro, except he can pump his 1826181;1529194191;mircea_popescu;lol 1826182;1529194273;BingoBoingo;That is the great tragedy of Venezuala. All that oil and... It's the sticky heavy stuff. 1826183;1529194630;BingoBoingo;Not quite as much so as the sticky stuff in pete land, but not exactly pipe friendly 1826184;1529194820;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Well, my main issue is that I don't work for free. I'm not going to spend time working on a project that I will not even be compensated for when I could be spending my time working on projects that I will compensated for. 1826185;1529194833;mircea_popescu;makes sense. 1826186;1529194950;BingoBoingo;douchebag: There's still qntra. Keep in communion, follow the cause. 1826187;1529195026;asciilifeform;douchebag: when you waltz the gurlz open, do you also charge'em ? 1826188;1529195029;asciilifeform;if 'dun work for phree' 1826189;1529195064;douchebag;asciilifeform: Could you elaborate? 1826190;1529195154;lobbes;douchebag: at least keep reading the logs. I wager that if you do, within 5 years time you may start seeing the value of building reputation with the world's only sovereign 1826191;1529196221;asciilifeform;douchebag: do you charge'em per fuck. 1826192;1529196621;douchebag;Are you asking if I charge women to let me fuck them? 1826193;1529196931;asciilifeform;aha 1826194;1529198068;douchebag;BingoBoingo: I'm a pretty good writer, especially when it comes to politics/privacy/and technology. From what I currently understand I recieve I recieve one qntra share per word of each accepted article and shares go between 0.00000850 to 0.00001750 BTC, correct? 1826195;1529205612;asciilifeform;douchebag: link us to something you've written ? 1826196;1529205645;asciilifeform;( or is this ye olde 'can you play violin?' 'dunno, not tried yet' ) 1826197;1529206910;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in oldies, asciilifeform recently acquired a specimen of the famous http://mk90.blogspot.com/2009/09/85.html pocket comp ( was made, from late-perestroika psychosis, in chassic copied from a jp calculator ) . pdp11 (!) compatible box. 1826198;1529206955;asciilifeform;the noteworthy bit, is that the unit -- stamped 1991 -- has the original factory seal. and on account of the design of the box, can show that: ~original~ 1991 batteries, still function. 1826199;1529206991;asciilifeform;that there apparently some primo atlantean lost tech. 1826200;1529207081;asciilifeform;( to be utterly pedantic, it is possible that somebody applied a faux seal. or that the batteries were swapped by orig maker, who guaranteed them for two (!) yrs after ~sale~ ) 1826201;1529207160;asciilifeform;summary : su made a pdp-11 that 1) ran on 20 milliampere 2) included such things as a... supercapacitor ( i had nfi that even 1 of these was ever made in su ) that powers the sram ( yes ) for ~15 minutes~ during batt swap. 1826202;1529207240;asciilifeform;this last bit, made it possible for this box to be used ( until, reportedly, as late as 2007 ) for crypto. 1826203;1529207258;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-17#1826195 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770648 1826204;1529207258;a111;Logged on 2018-06-17 03:20 asciilifeform: douchebag: link us to something you've written ? 1826205;1529207258;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 07:10 douchebag: https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/bug-bounty-fastmail-feeda67905f5 1826206;1529207441;asciilifeform;uh ok.. 1826207;1529210651;hanbot;meanwhile i accidentally stumbled on TLP's return as it might look through the brainpan of elliot rodgers, oodles of cringe for anyone in need of a little sharpening for the ol' misanthropic awl: http://archive.is/AIaGN 1826208;1529210714;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what the FUCK is that! 1826209;1529210745;hanbot;if we're to believe him, a -~*college teacher*~- 1826210;1529210746;mircea_popescu;they found him dead in a ditch, sewed him back together and ran reanimative storm-powered electricity through the pile ? 1826211;1529210803;hanbot;it's aliveh!!1 1826212;1529210817;mircea_popescu;frankensballas. 1826213;1529211289;asciilifeform;waiwaat wat's this to do with tlp 1826214;1529211354;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some superficial formal similarity i guess ? 1826215;1529211408;asciilifeform;aa i misread. 1826216;1529211420;*;asciilifeform back to bed 1826217;1529239152;asciilifeform;hanbot: that d00d is a riot. having trouble dispatching himself, in ameristan, where 300buxorz buys you a 'mossberg' 1826218;1529239509;asciilifeform;( in the coupla states where it doesn't -- 10bux still buys you a box of shells, and another 10 -- iron pipe at the 'home despot' and old nail... ) 1826219;1529239676;asciilifeform;5bux at toy store buys you a 'oh noez he was armed!11' and a phree police firing squad, for the pathological coward. etc 1826220;1529249633;BingoBoingo;douchebag: That is the case. The shares trade on the market so the price can move. Style guide is here: http://trilema.com/2015/lacessiveram-editor/ 1826221;1529253174;mircea_popescu;!!rate douchebag -1 as it turns out, the more elaborate effort one puts into distinguishing gold from sand, the more elaborately sandy sand the one ends up with. gold is irrespectively evident on the first pass. 1826222;1529253177;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cGsSe/?raw=true 1826223;1529253700;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-17#1826190 << there's a lot to be said for not wasting each other's time. 1826224;1529253700;a111;Logged on 2018-06-17 00:25 lobbes: douchebag: at least keep reading the logs. I wager that if you do, within 5 years time you may start seeing the value of building reputation with the world's only sovereign 1826225;1529256342;lobbes;Sure. Best case as I see it is: mebbe d00d reads in silence for couple years, then, once not-20-years-old and able to grok, comes back and does productive things. Probably won't happen, but ya never know. 1826226;1529256360;mircea_popescu;this or any other,\ 1826227;1529256402;mircea_popescu;at issue isn't whether yes-or-no, but whether specific-identity-or-not-particularily, see ? even if what you describe happens, the item coming back won't meaningfully be douchebag. 1826228;1529256480;lobbes;Hm, this makes sense. 20 yo lobbes was not in any sense the lobbes of today 1826229;1529256570;mircea_popescu;moreover, an attempted nominal continuity with your 20yo self would rather hinder you today. 1826230;1529256576;mircea_popescu;so... win-win, as they say. 1826231;1529256744;mircea_popescu;hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/f75Cm/?raw=true http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yMoyh/?raw=true 1826232;1529256952;hanbot;ty 1826233;1529257015;hanbot; hanbot: that d00d is a riot. having trouble dispatching himself, in ameristan, where 300buxorz buys you a 'mossberg' << you know? but regularly checks himself into institutions, picks fights (where fights = crying and yelling across a parking lot) at "knights of columbus" meetings, of all fucking things, etc etc. 1826234;1529257055;mircea_popescu;maybe he starts a church. 1826235;1529257103;mircea_popescu;anyway, nfi why thailand is famous for its ladyboys. they're a minority there, while united states consists of nothing but. 1826236;1529257182;hanbot;afaik because in thailand the ladyboys work at it, diligently and purposefully. where as Joe vonCan'tStackIt here prolly goes around in lumberjack plaids religiously checking the "M" box 1826237;1529257227;mircea_popescu;i suppose so. 1826238;1529260022;BingoBoingo;Ah, the classic GirlyMen 1826239;1529261665;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/south-koreans-admit-racist-treachery-in-lead-up-to-world-cup-play/ << Qntra - South Koreans Admit Racist Treachery In Lead Up To World Cup Play 1826240;1529261667;douchebag;mircea_popescu: I just got back, what was the exact reason I was negrated? 1826241;1529262289;BingoBoingo;In other news, Mexico whooped Germany and the few Brazillians here are substantially louder and more excited than the Uruguayos were 1826242;1529271800;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i can't imagine why, they 1-1'd with switzerland. 1826243;1529273149;BingoBoingo;Before the game tied, Brazil scored their goal. For that on goal about a theird of the way into game time the handful of Brazillians for more audible for more time. 1826244;1529273161;BingoBoingo;I am guessing they assumed more would follow? 1826245;1529273230;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh. 1826246;1529273280;BingoBoingo;But, I can't be arsed to watch anything other than the last 10 minutes of the games as they happen. I hear what I hear. 1826247;1529273320;BingoBoingo;Colombia plays tomorrow, but thus far Uruguay is the only South American team with a win. 1826248;1529273336;mircea_popescu;it's a terrible spectator sport. 1826249;1529273350;mircea_popescu;it happened to be on screen @whorehouse earlier, but otherwise... 1826250;1529273354;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: here's where i admit that i also can't bring self to watch 1st 10. or for that matter, the in-between 1826251;1529273380;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-17#1826240 << oh hey finally drummed out 1826252;1529273380;a111;Logged on 2018-06-17 18:54 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I just got back, what was the exact reason I was negrated? 1826253;1529273382;mircea_popescu;up there with golf, or male tenis i guess. who the fruck would want to ~watch~ this 1826254;1529273416;BingoBoingo;Absolutely awful. If I make it to my 70's I want to retire then in a baseball Latino country. 1826255;1529273417;*;asciilifeform was off in the sunlit world, picking cherries with relatives 1826256;1529273486;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-17#1826233 << the asylums must be packed, if they let this specimen loose 1826257;1529273486;a111;Logged on 2018-06-17 17:36 hanbot: hanbot: that d00d is a riot. having trouble dispatching himself, in ameristan, where 300buxorz buys you a 'mossberg' << you know? but regularly checks himself into institutions, picks fights (where fights = crying and yelling across a parking lot) at "knights of columbus" meetings, of all fucking things, etc etc. 1826258;1529273489;BingoBoingo;I might watch all of Wednesday's midday Uruguay vs Saudi Arabia game, because everything else will be closed. 1826259;1529273541;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's why it is 'the zone' he is packed and not loose 1826260;1529273553;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'll even admit that it could be made an interesting sport, if, let's say, they armed the saudis with scimitars, the egyptians -- with that sickle thing; etc 1826261;1529273559;asciilifeform;but as it is i can't summon any interest 1826262;1529273569;mircea_popescu;iirc saudis have one of the worst teams in the world. 1826263;1529273583;BingoBoingo; iirc saudis have one of the worst teams in the world. << This is the interest. 1826264;1529273593;BingoBoingo;I want to watch a double digit blowout 1826265;1529273602;mircea_popescu;i somehow doubt it. 1826266;1529273634;BingoBoingo;It'll probably still be a bore, but I will have seen the exception to 1-1 ties that proves the sport is a bore 1826267;1529273715;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-17#1826235 << the thai, if one were to believe them, insist 'they're all cambodians' 1826268;1529273715;a111;Logged on 2018-06-17 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, nfi why thailand is famous for its ladyboys. they're a minority there, while united states consists of nothing but. 1826269;1529273752;BingoBoingo;Argentina drew to Iceland, Spain drew to Portual... Russia put up five points against the Saudis... If Uruguay can't break 12 against they Saudis what is they world coming to. 1826270;1529273900;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform khmere, whatever. 1826271;1529273914;mircea_popescu;who even knows, i can't distinguish the angled eyed. 1826272;1529274431;*;asciilifeform at one time could 1826273;1529278244;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in complicated arrangements, https://78.media.tumblr.com/9549afd41e80687996cc1281cd906aaf/tumblr_os3s2jX4JC1u8futwo1_500.gif 1826274;1529283230;asciilifeform;meanwhile oh hey mircea_popescu time to reclaim yer rockchip ? ( you paid for it, iirc subscription is good through june ) 1826275;1529283428;asciilifeform;or hah no, loox like full yr 1826276;1529283434;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802247 << 1826277;1529283434;a111;Logged on 2018-04-18 21:31 deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.04344809 << 1 rockchip @ pizarro, april 19 2018 -- april 19 2019 1826278;1529283584;asciilifeform;technically the neg rule not even invoked in this case, as the subscriber is mircea_popescu ; he can do whatever he feels like with the thing. 1826279;1529283665;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ping BingoBoingo ( to plug the ssd into dulap ) and asciilifeform ( to work the magics ) if you want it relinuxed. 1826280;1529283711;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unit 'A' . 1826281;1529284035;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802286 << apparently it's 4mo 1826282;1529284035;a111;Logged on 2018-04-18 22:01 ben_vulpes: quarter is 3 months, you bought 4 1826283;1529284052;asciilifeform;so through aug 19 1826284;1529288805;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sokay, dood can keep it. 1826285;1529290007;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at art school, https://78.media.tumblr.com/dcddeeeaabe8d8f888b25503ac4c6174/tumblr_nxgfv79Bzi1rbytn9o1_1280.jpg 1826286;1529290845;douchebag;mircea_popescu: The reason for the negrate wasn't exactly clear. 1826287;1529291626;deedbot;http://blog.esthlos.com/fuckgoats-some-thoughts-and-minimal-tests/ << esthlos - FUCKGOATS: Some Thoughts and Minimal Tests 1826288;1529291745;mircea_popescu;esthlos the atempt to weave practical thought and ideology isn't even fruitless ; i believe the symmetry described is truthful and informative. 1826289;1529291877;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it's false to claim violence is usually the driver of submission. the slave's need to submit, or more specifically https://78.media.tumblr.com/d926fbf7f8b20c715946d9477fbbc555/tumblr_p85oiw4jb91x1qecto1_1280.jpg ; the slave's drastic incapacity, inadequacy and insufficiency are the driver. 1826290;1529291906;mircea_popescu;nobody trusts implicitly "or else". idiots trust implicitly because they objectively lack the capacity for anything else, so it's a strict "either trust implicitly or not at all" dilemma they face. 1826291;1529291962;mircea_popescu;nobody buys an ipad because "otherwise they'll get shot by LAPD". they buy the ipad because "i am so fucking stupid, i literally can't tell the difference between this piece of shit and a working programmable machine". 1826292;1529292054;mircea_popescu;in this context, "if you're going to trust implicitly, either trust the republic or it's the lime pits for you" is a direct continuation of "if you're going to believe in god, you'd better fucking believe i am that god", ie some minimal mental hygiene. 1826293;1529293774;esthlos;aha. so no ultimate threat of violence is needed in slave mind; the knowledge of inadequacy is enough to drive the submission? and then violence works to direct the submission? 1826294;1529294650;mircea_popescu;violence actually works to resolve slavery. 1826295;1529294676;mircea_popescu;think about it : nobody is more independent minded than street urchin. why not ? nobody's got more hard knocks. 1826296;1529294721;mircea_popescu;the reason wife exposure (as discussed in say http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/ ) WORKS is specifically because the harsher the world treats her, the more independent she gets. 1826297;1529294835;mircea_popescu;"risks to undercover agents", in every fucking manual/imperial discussion/whatever since the days of edgar hoover (who didn't permit it, btw, and for this reason) is specifically that exposure to violence renders slave incapable of "readjusting" to "normal" environment. 1826298;1529294841;mircea_popescu;same thing with inca soldiers and so on. 1826299;1529295307;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the den, https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6dx03ZOqI1qh1gdpo1_1280.jpg ; guess why it's even called a den. 1826300;1529296782;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this theory was , afaik, pretty much as tested as anything could ever be, and stood. consider how su turned to old toiletpaper just as soon as the last ww2-hardened folx retired from running it 1826301;1529296793;asciilifeform;similarly -- usa 1826302;1529296826;mircea_popescu;yeah, not much of a theory. theory in the sense theory of evolution is theory. 1826303;1529296834;asciilifeform;exactly same 1826304;1529296848;asciilifeform;'without this, nuffin makes any sense' or how it went 1826305;1529300228;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-18#381193 << could let teh customer manage his own, regardless do let me know if the machine in q starts misbehaving 1826306;1529300233;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-06-18 00:37 asciilifeform: meanwhile oh hey mircea_popescu time to reclaim yer rockchip ? ( you paid for it, iirc subscription is good through june ) 1826307;1529300249;mircea_popescu;he gets excited. 1826308;1529300253;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'll say if i need anything. 1826309;1529300262;ben_vulpes;i'd hope! 1826310;1529301420;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on parquet, https://78.media.tumblr.com/8fcde2d3f9f87fb3d4956e669f443d25/tumblr_oriypkF9Eg1w2850jo1_1280.jpg 1826311;1529308386;lobbes;in other news, I've finally resurrected my blog. Now coming live from the blazingly fast pizarro rockchip >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/ 1826312;1529319296;spyked;hey neato, lobbes! /me (re)reads. 1826313;1529319423;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825614 <-- I wonder if dood is still tuned in (maybe read-only? I know I was for more than a coupla years). kinda enjoyed the conversations back in the day. 1826314;1529319423;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 02:13 mircea_popescu: this very much ~wasn't~ the first mention of bitcoin on trilema, there's earlier march http://trilema.com/2011/de-ce-trebuie-protejat-angajatul/#comment-43648 and april http://trilema.com/2011/guvernul-cu-rata-de-succes-33/#comment-47237 mentions by a fellow named gheorghe 1826315;1529325850;asciilifeform;esthlos: thank you for posting your tests, i have added your page to the FG tester links. 1826316;1529325885;asciilifeform;there are now 6 published FG tests ( afaik ) . 1826317;1529325904;asciilifeform;( if i missed somebody's, plox to write in ! ) 1826318;1529326118;asciilifeform;currently we have mod6 , danielpbarron , trinque , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , esthlos . 1826319;1529326472;asciilifeform;i find it mildly interesting ( tho entirely unsurprising ) that, year and a half after FUCKGOATS released, there still appears to be nobody else selling unwhitened trng. 1826320;1529326555;asciilifeform;whether explicable by the phobia of 'oh noez some DH stats sometimes fail' or general-purpose idiocy -- i do not know. 1826321;1529326724;asciilifeform;esthlos: 'forced trust' is a contradiction . ( but iirc mircea_popescu already described why ) 1826322;1529331865;mod6;mornin' 1826323;1529331871;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1826324;1529331934;BingoBoingo;Morinin 1826325;1529333103;mod6;:] 1826326;1529333552;mircea_popescu;spyked unlike him, you actually have years to fuck. 1826327;1529333634;mircea_popescu;lobbes wb. how long did the setup take ? 1826328;1529334482;asciilifeform;lulzy spam. 'would require code-sharing platforms to monitor all content that users upload for potential copyright infringement' etc. 1826329;1529334488;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1826330;1529334494;asciilifeform;the fleanode link 1826331;1529334515;asciilifeform;https://archive.li/Ttgai for dedicated entomologist. 1826332;1529334551;mircea_popescu;wow, you srsly follow their blog ? 1826333;1529334560;asciilifeform;nope 1826334;1529334567;asciilifeform;oh ha mircea_popescu has fleanode spamola turned off on his console, doesn't he. 1826335;1529334578;asciilifeform;'[Global Notice] On June 20th, the Legal Committee of the European Parliament will decide on a copyright reform that could radically change copyright laws throughout the EU and have an impact on open source software. If you're in the EU please see https://savetheinternet.info/ and https://blog.github.com/2018-03-14-eu-proposal-upload-filters-code/ for more information' 1826336;1529334581;mircea_popescu;oh. 1826337;1529334597;mircea_popescu;yes, i have notices/dccs/whatever featurecreep they "updated" irc with turned off. 1826338;1529334622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you aint missing much 1826339;1529334644;mircea_popescu;it's shocking how many improvements one beenfits from not benefitting from. 1826340;1529334657;asciilifeform;it's more or less 100% lame agitprop similar to above , lately 1826341;1529334701;mircea_popescu;"if we act like it matters then it almost does" ? how cute. 1826342;1529334720;asciilifeform;modeled on the fsf agit crapola, really 1826343;1529334738;asciilifeform;'save linux' 'save the net' 'save rms' etc. 1826344;1529334748;mircea_popescu;europe is such a lulzy shithole these days. sorta like the whiplash of its erstwhile colonies. 1826345;1529334790;asciilifeform;euroreich is where they beta test new idiocy for usa, neh. e.g. taxes on blank cd-r, etc 1826346;1529334790;mircea_popescu;"those nameless idiots in siouxland are eating turd sandwiches, so we here in paris must therefore eat turd wellington!!11" 1826347;1529334982;asciilifeform;would imho be great if this one actually happened, tho. picture, ban on shithub. 1826348;1529334997;mircea_popescu;you know that's exactly not how it'd work. 1826349;1529335002;asciilifeform;right 1826350;1529335090;asciilifeform;i still recall the 1st time i heard of an open sores thing being added to index librorum prohibitorum or whatever the derps call it nowadays. iirc was in early 2000s, some 'unauthorized' mud client, banned at the behest of blizzard co 1826351;1529335099;mircea_popescu;anyway, github is very much going the way of livehornal / slashdot. 1826352;1529335155;asciilifeform;iirc i asked ( on, laugh, slashdot ) re why there is not a 'warez p2p'-style replacement for soresforge , for pissing on bans etc. ( no prizes for guessing how many answers ) 1826353;1529335197;asciilifeform;that was actually asciilifeform's 'omfg apparently i'm a moron' moment re open sores 'culture' 1826354;1529335206;mircea_popescu;heh 1826355;1529335242;asciilifeform;'accepting the form of argument but rejecting the conclusion' or how did mircea_popescu describe'em. 1826356;1529335270;mircea_popescu;no, this is tlp's observation. 1826357;1529335291;asciilifeform;e.g. 'we [nominally] dislike microshit but we'll obey microshit-operated 'court' system for Reasons' etc 1826358;1529335298;mircea_popescu;quite. 1826359;1529335312;mircea_popescu;the dood was a talented talk-psych, good structure of thought in his head. 1826360;1529335327;mircea_popescu;sadly, he got to operate among the "pills work!!!" imbeciles, went on the bottle. 1826361;1529335474;asciilifeform;as with all good explanatory hypotheses, this one resolved several puzzlers in asciilifeform's head in one shot (e.g. 'why did the open-whatever folx accept being corralled into soresforge to begin with' ) 1826362;1529335509;asciilifeform;( the blizzard-offending thing, iirc , lived in soresforge, the shithub of its day ) 1826363;1529335534;mircea_popescu;there's some depth here : talk psychiatry works for intelligent people only, and even then dubiously ; chem psychiatry does not work, at all, except it does disorient. this is sufficient in some views, in the sense that humans can't distinguish dizzy cows from plain cows, and angry bulls are kinda scary. so it's the perfect "solution" to the problem of "unruly nigger". cheaper than the previous perfect solution (which was als 1826364;1529335535;mircea_popescu;o very medical - a dood donned a butcher's leather apron and sent gibbets flying every which way 8 hrs/day). 1826365;1529335567;mircea_popescu;obviously inca has no problem losing out the one thing that can sorta-maybe fix smart people in trouble. what it needs is something entirely else ; as everywhere else across the vast field of possibility. 1826366;1529335579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall reserpine, ~the~ 'advance' in early 20th c 'angry bull management', was touted 'clearing the bedlams' etc 1826367;1529335616;asciilifeform;from that point the pharma thrust became 'how do we do this and still have usable factory etc slaves, rather than simply vegetables' 1826368;1529335619;mircea_popescu;and so, the modern little lysenkos have the united-soviet government convinced of their brand of nonsense ; much like the others. 1826369;1529335637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, i recall. 1826370;1529335698;mircea_popescu;hanbot btw, the ^ is involved in the large discussion re "physical exhaustion / muscle toxin buildup causes depression". 1826371;1529335720;asciilifeform;a bedlam full of 'droolers' was not only aesthetically preferred by the bedlam-keepers of the time to one full of 'screamers', but also cheaper. 1826372;1529335735;mircea_popescu;certainly. 1826373;1529335746;mircea_popescu;easier to work with, etcetera. 1826374;1529335790;asciilifeform;the old lizard dream, an equiv of broiler chicken business 'debeaking', was born. 1826375;1529335836;mircea_popescu;and then the decadents want to herp about colors and be "symbolists". 1826376;1529335878;mircea_popescu;i dunno how aware you are of all this, but here : the previous set of "holy shit, the inca's a pile of idiocy" folk deserted the leadership under the flag of "we just want to". you know ? 1826377;1529335903;asciilifeform;which set, in particular ? 1826378;1529335923;asciilifeform;( 'resistentia prin cultura' ? ) 1826379;1529335937;mircea_popescu;no. late 1800s, it became evident, just as today, that the emperor is thoroughly naked. 1826380;1529335961;mircea_popescu;this led to a strict rejection of "modern science" and "the rational process", thereby implicitly of "modern democracy" (it was just as modern then, too) and so forth. 1826381;1529335984;mircea_popescu;intelligent people grouped about, and the grouping was named "decadence" (in french, because the world was french then). 1826382;1529336054;mircea_popescu;then sometime in the 90s there was a split : the bulk of these intelligents decided "we just want to", ie, "not interested in politics", proceeded to discuss colors, in the vein of 1826383;1529336063;mircea_popescu;"Lentement, il tria, un à un, les tons. Le bleu tire aux flambeaux sur un faux vert; s'il est foncé comme le cobalt et l'indigo, il devient noir; s'il est clair, il tourne au gris; s'il est sincère et doux comme la turquoise, il se ternit et se glace. À moins donc de l'associer, ainsi qu'un adjuvant, à une autre couleur, il ne pouvait être question d'en faire la note dominante d'une pièce. D'un autre côté, les gris f 1826384;1529336063;mircea_popescu;er se renfrognent encore et s'alourdissent; les gris de perle perdent leur azur et se métamorphosent en un blanc sale; les bruns s'endorment et se froidissent; quant aux verts foncés, ainsi que les verts empereur et les verts myrte, ils agissent de même que les gros bleus et fusionnent avec les noirs; restaient donc les verts plus pâles, tels que le vert paon, les cinabres et les laques, mais alors la lumière exile leur 1826385;1529336063;mircea_popescu;bleu et ne détient plus que leur jaune qui ne garde, à son tour, qu'un ton faux, qu'une saveur trouble. " 1826386;1529336080;mircea_popescu;and unrelenting such idiocy. this called itself "symbolism", to dissociate itself from the terrorists. 1826387;1529336087;mircea_popescu;the leadership went on to create anarchism. 1826388;1529336138;mircea_popescu;~this~ is the fundamental reason the tsar got killed ; lenin isn't so much a "bolshevik" as he is a decadent, in this proper sense : "by fucking god ima hang all of you", spoken 1890. 1826389;1529336156;mircea_popescu;moreover, this is how prinz whoever the fuck got bombed in 1914, and how everything else. 1826390;1529336169;mircea_popescu;yes, ideology, but not AT ALL the ideology retconned in place of reality cca 1960. 1826391;1529336218;asciilifeform;btw one pheature of lenin & co that gets vehehery little press these days , when folx like to point out 'he didn't overthrow , other factions did all the work' : lenin & co refused, out of principle, to participate in any 'temporary government' derpage at all. 1826392;1529336219;mircea_popescu;simply the ideology marx explicitly feared, "they'll rally around a flag saying 'mort aux cons' instead of our pantsuit preference". 1826393;1529336320;mircea_popescu;and this is, also, the deep justification of nazism. "if they actually flatten the modern democracy science & reason idiots, we don't even care if there's no more jews". 1826394;1529336337;asciilifeform;( the only other faction that shared this pheature, were mahno's anarchists, and they came pretty close to a win ) 1826395;1529336341;mircea_popescu;which is how all the cool kids were nazi, and how come the nazis had the cool art, and so forth. 1826396;1529336396;asciilifeform;see also the mega-proverb of the eastern orcistans, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630779 . 1826397;1529336396;a111;Logged on 2017-03-22 04:08 asciilifeform: in other veryolds, 'you'll feel no dismay, watching your house burn, after you get to see how the bedbug dies!' (korean proverb) 1826398;1529336405;mircea_popescu;lol. 1826399;1529336453;mircea_popescu;aaannyway. the pantsuit co-opting of what originally was "fuck your broken github-based must-upgrade process" into their own stinking folds is the ultimate act of cultural appropriation. and why "the left" is "turbulent" and "self-hating". 1826400;1529336463;mircea_popescu;it's not fucking self-hating at all, lol, it's simply not a thing. 1826401;1529336512;mircea_popescu;the mammies that "just wanna" "the system" to continue "until they get their pension" are supposed to share a seat with the "fuck you all and if you all burn tomorrow it's not soon enough" smart people. duh ? 1826402;1529336539;asciilifeform;it is not difficult to corral folx who have deeply nfi what they're doing or why. just as farmer has no problem with corralling bull, despite the latter weighing 10x of him 1826403;1529336580;mircea_popescu;yes, but then the farmer seats bull at table, and spends the evening wondering why the chair doesn't seem to fit and why this fellow won't say grace with him. 1826404;1529336598;mircea_popescu;and then they keep getting humiliatingly defeated any ol' fucking time i feel like, and they "explain it". 1826405;1529336602;mircea_popescu;it's the lulz of all time. 1826406;1529336638;asciilifeform;the dumber bulls, in this model, actually agree to sit down, and try to moo out prayer, this encourages the idjit farmers. 1826407;1529336667;mircea_popescu;and in that, are they the dumber, even ? 1826408;1529336671;asciilifeform;'mebbe i need bigger chair' 1826409;1529336676;mircea_popescu;this being the deep issue of the "rezistenta prin cultura" after all. 1826410;1529336681;mircea_popescu;looky that we ended up there too. 1826411;1529336699;asciilifeform;hm? 1826412;1529336708;mircea_popescu;what part ? 1826413;1529336718;asciilifeform;'ended up there too' 1826414;1529336754;mircea_popescu;alf says " this encourages the idjit farmers." i ask "and in that, are they the dumber, even ?" 1826415;1529336766;mircea_popescu;this is the substance of the rtc wank in the post-war years. 1826416;1529336840;asciilifeform;i suppose it's a defensible pov, that the various 'social democrats' etc derps who agreed to 'coalition with provisional gov' , played role similar to the human bridges over barbed wire in ww2 1826417;1529336854;mircea_popescu;it's at the very least what their lawyer entered as a plea. 1826418;1529337083;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/harvard-exposed-systemically-discriminating-against-asian-applicants/ << Qntra - Harvard Exposed Systemically Discriminating Against Asian Applicants 1826419;1529337272;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the archive link 404's 1826420;1529337355;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1826421;1529337391;mircea_popescu;in any case : the present pile of sad is the result of numerous betrayals and cowardries. 1826422;1529337391;mircea_popescu;it's not just e a blair going "oh noes, what if the indian mob laughs at my gun!!1 better wet the bed" 1920s ; it's not just j k huysmans going "il s'arrangea, enfin, de façon à ne pas être souvent obligé de leur parler ou de les voir. 1826423;1529337391;mircea_popescu;" 1880s because totally, that's what you have servants for, not to rule their life but to hide away cowering somewhere ; it's not just that ladri de biciclete clearly and plainly shows the ~exact same~ roman insulae, 1950 as 19.5 -- except thoroughly deserted of the pater familias that'd have ~been~ ~there~ in the first century. 1826424;1529337391;mircea_popescu;we could even go so far as to say that inca is the chain-of-knaves. 1826425;1529337433;mircea_popescu;an unbroken posterity of cowering cocksuckers. 1826426;1529337484;mircea_popescu;"i got better things to do than put the woman on her knees, and besides, she's loud and wet about it" etcetera. 1826427;1529338783;mircea_popescu;here's a riddle for the student of history : 1826428;1529338783;mircea_popescu;so that waffling, inept d'annunzion wanna-be, amilcare andrea, is elected by his enemies as the least dangerous among his friends. cuz that's how papal elections work, and have worked since forever. 1826429;1529338783;mircea_popescu;there are two important meetings in his new life : one is when a fellow named francesco cuccia shows him the way of his country ; the other is when a fellow not named schicklgruber shows him the way of his fancy. 1826430;1529338783;mircea_popescu;it is clear to the dork that he has to pick one, and notwithstanding his very model comes to life for him to warn against following the former (in the uncertain terminology of "you'll end up germans' bootblacks"), nevertheless he doesn't pick reality. because he can't pick reality, because he's a ghost not a person. 1826431;1529338786;mircea_popescu;now try and construct a thought process explaining mussolini's choice in ~any other terms~ than the foregoing, i wish to see it. why exactly did he not say "o boy, i am so impressed, the government is henceforth to be formed exclusively from among the sicilian men of honor" but instead said "o boy, i am so impressed, the government is henceforth to be formed exclusively as per german orders" ? 1826432;1529339336;asciilifeform;blair, just possibly, actually grasped it, 'All three of the great dictators have enhanced their power by imposing intolerable burdens on their peoples. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet.' 1826433;1529339357;asciilifeform;'The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do' etc 1826434;1529339495;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mhx2J/?raw=true << shit-ocr of sores 1826435;1529339612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sicily didn't much care for il duce's 'star topology' nonsense. hence 'german orders' not 'men of honour' 1826436;1529339722;asciilifeform;re upstack, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824138 1826437;1529339722;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 20:40 mircea_popescu: you're not going to reproduce the former by the latter ; just like you're not going to lure my slavegirls away by promising to be "a good sensitive guy with a great sense of humor". 1826438;1529339856;asciilifeform;in this model the 'surprise' of france, baltics, whoever, spreading wide for their traditional prussian rapist, suddenly evaporates. what surprise. 1826439;1529339901;asciilifeform;'pleez, pleez make it thicker, and with moar spikes' 1826440;1529339981;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform question is, why did the duce care. 1826441;1529340045;asciilifeform;e.g. latvia, today possibly the moar pathetic of the nato clitlicker poodles, less than century earlier spread wide for lenin, to the point that he hired the entirety of his leibstandarte there 1826442;1529340082;mircea_popescu;yes, but see, that women welcome rape is one thing. that the boi pretending to some kind of superhumanity in the nitschean vein does so while dressed in garters and pigtails is the wonderment. 1826443;1529340097;mircea_popescu;why pretend you're "superwoman" ?! it makes no sense WHATSOEVER. 1826444;1529340123;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: duce , as i understand, was aiming for startopoligical throne, rather than primus inter pares among sicilian mob or the like 1826445;1529340134;mircea_popescu;and then of course, to cherry the cocktail, pretend you're all about ~reason~ hurr. 1826446;1529340148;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well if that's what he was aiming for the german bootlick approach is even less comprehensible. 1826447;1529340158;asciilifeform;the derpage re 'reason'(tm)(r) afaik hit the pause button in those days 1826448;1529340174;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1826449;1529340214;mircea_popescu;i mean in some places, like iran or w/e, actual theological approaches were fielded. but in yurp it was still mostly a matter of burgeois thought, aka "reason" 1826450;1529340225;mircea_popescu;and "englightment", "progress", "future", the whole enchilada. 1826451;1529340313;asciilifeform;for all the 'wave of conquest' of germany, the germans themselves made very questionable mongols. observe that they ended up outsourcing good chunk of the wetwork to local orcs ( city-boi ss grunts went 'shell shocked' from executions ), derped around with gasenwagens 'to make cleaner' etc 1826452;1529340376;mircea_popescu;and consider also the makework angle, it's fucking beautiful. so german-italy, as a thoroughly nosnese piece of fanfic/wank, needs some sort of something to hold it together. what do they pick ? oh, eritrea! which they can't do, but need german airplanes etcv for (and still can't do). meanwhile sicilian-italy'd have had no such problem at all, THEY don't need eritrea for anything. 1826453;1529340417;asciilifeform;btw who recalls ~poland~ derping around in '30s , 'we want colonies too!' , demonstrations in streets with d00dz in (yes) cork helmets, etc 1826454;1529340434;mircea_popescu;somehow the imaginary kingdom of sardinia CAN very much conquer all of italy ; but the very real kingdom of sicily ? no WAI omfgbbq!!! how could something ~real~ occur! 1826455;1529340470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this whole discussion suddenly explains the difficulty of noobs showing up. when asked who they are, the block is "i dunno how to communicate MY DREAMS to you". duh. 1826456;1529340499;asciilifeform;'try having different dream, which actually makes sense' apparently dun satisft. 1826457;1529340502;asciilifeform;*satisfy 1826458;1529340522;mircea_popescu;it's an un~reasonable~ demand. the ~reason~ it's a dream is so it dun make sense. 1826459;1529340529;mircea_popescu;if they started making sense, even a little, where would they be ? 1826460;1529340732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: difficult to hang anything on theology in 20th c europistan, given how they rm -rf / 'd their theological backbone 1826461;1529340751;asciilifeform;possibly in the new,improved!11,mohammedo-europiliphate, has another shot. 1826462;1529340880;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1826463;1529340883;asciilifeform;( just possibly, the 'migrant' program has an aim outside of 'prop up demographic' ) 1826464;1529340912;mircea_popescu;the only problem is that islam's been retarded for a long, long time. they had a brief culturalization period under the (mostly, disinterested) turks, but otherwise they periodically prune the tinking folk (say, persians). 1826465;1529340929;asciilifeform;retarded, but sat out the 'reformation' derpery. 1826466;1529340945;mircea_popescu;the 30 yo virgin is no promise of chastity. 1826467;1529340953;asciilifeform;troo 1826468;1529341006;asciilifeform;could picture this as restoring from old, worm-eaten backup tape. 1826469;1529341046;asciilifeform;'help, we accidentally rm -rf / our civilization' 1826470;1529341082;mircea_popescu;just about. 1826471;1529341208;asciilifeform;upstack, italy et al were , as i understand, fucking around with cargo cult version of 'we too want british empire', sorta how 500yr earlier HRE derped with 'we want roman empire' 1826472;1529341239;asciilifeform;cargo cult output makes 0 sense other than in light of the picture of the orig subject of imitation, airplane, brit empire, etc 1826473;1529341327;mircea_popescu;looks more like "we too want to eat cake, but not using mouth." even if they manage to shove some cream up butthole, it still won't taste that good. 1826474;1529341333;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/18/language-acquisition-and-the-perception-thereof/ << Bingo Blog - Language Acquisition And The Perception Thereof 1826475;1529341367;mircea_popescu;which is ~precisely~ what they did. the only way to have an empire is by empowering the empire builders, which at the time in italy were sicilians. trying to "we too empire" without the earlier described maneuver is exact identity with trying to eat cake but not use mouth. 1826476;1529341413;mircea_popescu;"oh, roma colon can also". sure. look how well it worked, shit everywhere! 1826477;1529341429;BingoBoingo;The only result or Italian Imperial aspirations was convincing Ethiopia they "R REEL impire 2" 1826478;1529341484;mircea_popescu;ikr ? started a whole pile of wank down there, also. 1826479;1529341496;mircea_popescu;kinda how present day ustards get all sorts of orcs hot and bothered. 1826480;1529341512;BingoBoingo;They WAZ KANGZ! 1826481;1529341576;mircea_popescu;amusingly, a bunch of subnormal "usians of color" actually bought this nonsense. 1826482;1529341610;BingoBoingo;Not just bought. They LIVE this 1826483;1529341631;mircea_popescu;i suppose ye old advice re sausage factory... 1826484;1529341640;BingoBoingo;Haiti was a promised land, etc 1826485;1529341646;mircea_popescu;"if you like your counterfit identity, i recommend you don't look into how it was produced". 1826486;1529341713;mircea_popescu;in other news BingoBoingo maybe it's time you try cervantes. it's much better in original. 1826487;1529341716;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa, they'll buy just about anyffing, e.g. black pharaoinic egypt etc 1826488;1529341724;mircea_popescu;gil blas also, and generally their medieval productions. 1826489;1529341754;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, that's almost 100% whore/stripper fare, the "ancient pharaonic nigger" wank. 1826490;1529341773;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I was thinking about that actually. Get into the language before it was split by the Empire days. 1826491;1529341796;mircea_popescu;pro tip : southerners in egypt cca 3k years ago lived exactly like southerners in us cca 200 years ago : it was presumed they were someone's slave as a matter of course, because how else beast in city. 1826492;1529341812;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Pyramid Space Ships are a bonafide religious belief of the "Nation of Islam" 1826493;1529342045;mircea_popescu;this inanity nearly soured me to might&magic series. fucking 6th episode features some spaceship pyramid thing massively. 1826494;1529342060;*;asciilifeform recalls this 1826495;1529342098;mircea_popescu;then they did the "crystal" bs and it actually soured me, on the 9th. 1826496;1529342136;mircea_popescu;it's such a sad property of 90s video games that the further in, the less effort per square foot. endless straight corridors and bs. 1826497;1529342144;BingoBoingo;https://poseidonawoke.wordpress.com/2016/02/27/motw-we-wuz-kangz/ 1826498;1529342149;mircea_popescu;democracy kills. 1826499;1529342179;BingoBoingo;https://poseidonawoke.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/cutamprvaaacg0w.jpg?w=300&h=165 1826500;1529342213;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's transparently a case of "we optimize for average player", imo. if they figure out 90% of time-spent-playing by a playerbase that averages 30% completion is in the first 10% of the game, therefore they'll aim to spend 90% of resources to make that first 10%. 1826501;1529342217;mircea_popescu;fucking backwards as it can be. 1826502;1529342257;mircea_popescu;The essence of this meme is when black people say things like ‘We wuz kangz while you wuz in caves!‘ << he's apparently ignorant enough to quote proper source. 1826503;1529342276;mircea_popescu;this was disraeli, pm, responding to some jewhate wank fashionable at the time. 1826504;1529342333;BingoBoingo;ESL is a curse, especially when WikiBritain keeps redirecting their Fritzchip articles to TPM wank 1826505;1529342397;mircea_popescu;heh 1826506;1529342425;BingoBoingo;Alf blowback killed the wikipedo Fritzchip article 1826507;1529342460;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1826508;1529342495;BingoBoingo;Wikipedia before alf published his cr50 expose had an article on Fritzchips. Now it doesn't 1826509;1529342512;BingoBoingo;Instead it redirects to "Trusted Platform Module" 1826510;1529342521;BingoBoingo;I though we already lolled over this in chan here 1826511;1529342769;BingoBoingo;I haven't investigated the wikipedo timestamps for this perversion 1826512;1529342946;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822360 1826513;1529342946;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 14:37 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the entomological pit : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFritz-chip >> 'I've deleted most of the article. The information here is already presented in a more up-to-date fashion at Trusted Computing, which is the correct title for the technology. "Fritz-chip" was never more than a moniker used by critics of the technology put forth by Sen. Hollings. The article now represents this fact. Warrens 23:24, 29 April 2006 ( 1826514;1529342973;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: long prior to cr50 1826515;1529343000;asciilifeform;they unhappened it when tpmism became a fact in x86dom 1826516;1529343003;BingoBoingo;!Q later tell shinohai http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/spain-welcomes-moors.html << Since you don't have comments, Moors are a specific kind of black people. 1826517;1529343003;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1826518;1529343009;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AH 1826519;1529343036;BingoBoingo;!!up SoldierOfFortune 1826520;1529343037;deedbot;SoldierOfFortune voiced for 30 minutes. 1826521;1529343038;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: or , rather, as part of the microshit-orchestrated tpm concert that was set to begin playing in '07 or so 1826522;1529343045;BingoBoingo;SoldierOfFortune: WHo is your daddy and what does he do? 1826523;1529344170;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: observe, said concert was masterfully played, they introduced ~harmless/desolderable 'pretty plz store keys in this?' infineon thing in x86 mobos, while quietly building in wholly independent intel/nic rootkit etc 1826524;1529344206;asciilifeform;idea being, give fsf, eff, etc derps something to drool over, while the troo action is quite elsewhere. 1826525;1529344300;asciilifeform;in re cr50 -- if anybody's puzzled re why they put this level of effort into locking down what is essentially a less-popular, bulkier ipnoje -- it's a beta test for bleeding edge of their pc fritz ( the latter, reportedly already in service in google-built serverz in datacentres ) 1826526;1529344379;asciilifeform;( re infineon -- anybody who was dumb enuff to actually generate a key with it, got fucked to death last summer, even if he dun realize it yet. this, too, Unhappened. ) 1826527;1529344382;asciilifeform;!#s infineon 1826528;1529344382;a111;26 results for "infineon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=infineon 1826529;1529344429;asciilifeform;would take approx 3-6 mo. on dulap to break a summer-2017-and-prior infineon-generated key . 1826530;1529344511;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725945 << subj ) 1826531;1529344511;a111;Logged on 2017-10-17 05:59 jurov: "The flaw resides in the Infineon-developed RSA Library version v1.02.013, specifically within an algorithm it implements for RSA primes generation. " 1826532;1529344934;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826473 << this reminds me of an old puzzler of mine : do the french still drink coffee with their arse ? or did that go out of fashion 1826533;1529344934;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 17:02 mircea_popescu: looks more like "we too want to eat cake, but not using mouth." even if they manage to shove some cream up butthole, it still won't taste that good. 1826534;1529344951;asciilifeform;!#s coffee enema 1826535;1529344952;a111;2 results for "coffee enema", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=coffee%20enema 1826536;1529344989;asciilifeform;i'm almost surprised it hasn't become standard in usa. devil knows, ameri-coffee is clearly not fit for mouth. 1826537;1529345053;asciilifeform;bitter, burnt liquishit, really 'starbucks' ought to be re-equipped for sending it to correct orifice. 1826538;1529345395;phf;asciilifeform: americans are uncomfortable with own butts. "enema" is a european concept that only freaky health nut anorexic girls are into.. 1826539;1529345531;phf;their solution to shit coffee is putting milk and syrups (see also "bulletproof coffee"), kind of like the solution to poor soil and bad farming practices is to put "dressing" on vegetables 1826540;1529345556;asciilifeform;phf: aha, corn syrup added to ~errything 'edible', for this reason 1826541;1529345638;asciilifeform;see also, the use of refrigeration ( plus ultra-pasteurization, see the milk thread ) as substitute for hygiene. tell an american that his ancestors did not need to refrigerate eggs, he'll laugh in your face, 'impossible' 1826542;1529345697;asciilifeform;or how meat gets , as matter of routine, an elephant dose from electron gun ( or, sometimes, co-60 ) , 'or unsafe to sell' 1826543;1529345744;asciilifeform;... so wat if it's full of pyrolysis products, can't not pack the cattle into feedlots, etc For Reasons 1826544;1529345802;asciilifeform;( speaking of which, a meat processing plant would be a great cheap place to hold http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824988 experiment ... ) 1826545;1529345802;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 16:48 asciilifeform: and i'm still curious what an elephant-killing dose of gamma would do to the cr50. 1826546;1529345975;asciilifeform;phf: mouth-watering coffee in BingoBoingo , btw; quite drinkable with 0 sugar and minimal/no cream 1826547;1529345984;asciilifeform;*in BingoBoingostan 1826548;1529346008;asciilifeform;i suspect -- on pretty much whole globe minus usa. 1826549;1529346114;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: are people selling the "nitro cold brew on tap" perversity in your area yet? 1826550;1529346123;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: of course 1826551;1529346165;asciilifeform;tastes pretty much same, possibly even gunkier, than the standard one 1826552;1529346229;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that even if you venture outside of shitbucks et al, you get ~same pseudoedible crud. because 'customer expects', i gather. so they -- make. 1826553;1529346364;ben_vulpes;well and also industrial food production pipeline optimized to crap out same five products everywhere. 1826554;1529346389;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: right, but i observed same shitcoffee even in 'independent' shops where e.g. bean fryer machine is clearly visible 1826555;1529346394;asciilifeform;they... copy shitbux 1826556;1529346412;phf;asciilifeform: they burn the seeds, and then overbrew the drink, and it's exactly that "come to expect". girl worked in a coffee shop, but having been exposed to good coffee she brews it "soft", and lots of people complained that it's "watery". of course there was also a group of european expats that religiously came every morning 1826557;1529346467;ben_vulpes;burn the beans because "more flavor", which burns the caffeine off, which demands mas grounds for same "lift"; escalator to shitsville 1826558;1529346493;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'exam takers' 1826559;1529346514;ben_vulpes;phf: is "seeds" a ru-ism or are "beans" an usgism 1826560;1529346569;phf;ben_vulpes: i couldn't remember the correct en word and punted 1826561;1529346592;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ruism 1826562;1529346600;phf;i think ruism would be "grains" 1826563;1529346607;phf;although seeds also works, yes 1826564;1529346609;asciilifeform;well, iirc in fr they are also grain 1826565;1529346611;asciilifeform;just like in ru 1826566;1529346633;asciilifeform;in de, en, ro iirc beans. 1826567;1529346635;ben_vulpes;seed actually far more correct 1826568;1529346797;asciilifeform;phf: re 'it's watery' , iirc we had a related thread about how prohibition turned usa into a country of rotgut drinkers, for whom the ~only important bit is 'strong', with sugars etc added as required 1826569;1529348104;phf;خوانسار تنباکو 1826570;1529348235;phf;(that was entirely unrelated to conversation, i'm just using it to get a transliteration out) 1826571;1529349559;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-17#1826240 << are you for fucking real? what you're actually saying: "i just got back" = "fuck all y'all." "what was the" = "i can't be bothered to read, so how about you read for me and lay a ribbon-tied summary at my feet like i could be you and you could be my slavegirls and work for me!" "exact reason i was negrated" = "and don't bother me with the details, i dun gas, i just want to know how to exam take this th 1826572;1529349559;a111;Logged on 2018-06-17 18:54 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I just got back, what was the exact reason I was negrated? 1826573;1529349559;hanbot;ing." 1826574;1529349642;hanbot;don't imagine the kneejerk retort of it "wasn't intentional" is going anywhere. it was intentional, you're the degree of moron whose intentions are hidden from "himself", assuming we'll pretend there's a "yourself" to be hidden from in the first place. which we mostly don't. isn't this beautiful, he magicallly knows how everything goes, even how to sort things, starts with the fuck you, everything. just as long as it's pro-inca, 'cause being a re 1826575;1529349642;hanbot;publican is fuckin' impossible. inconceivable! 1826576;1529349707;hanbot;!!rate douchebag -3 Pretentious exam taker that won't read to save his life. 1826577;1529349710;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YzmvW/?raw=true 1826578;1529349793;hanbot;!!v 70C558622C5B725961A6CE7391E8B20A669E950A38E00EF88F547BDFE632E2D1 1826579;1529349793;deedbot;hanbot rated douchebag -3 << Pretentious exam taker that won't read to save his life. 1826580;1529350305;mircea_popescu;oh, he was talking at me ? 1826581;1529350339;*;mircea_popescu regrets that family problems have unfortunately prevented him from reading those portions of the logs added by douchebag 1826582;1529350380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho you didnt miss much 1826583;1529350400;mircea_popescu;rarer the other way, neh. 1826584;1529350816;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826525 << quite so. 1826585;1529350816;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 17:51 asciilifeform: in re cr50 -- if anybody's puzzled re why they put this level of effort into locking down what is essentially a less-popular, bulkier ipnoje -- it's a beta test for bleeding edge of their pc fritz ( the latter, reportedly already in service in google-built serverz in datacentres ) 1826586;1529350882;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826534 << that ain't ever going away. 1826587;1529350882;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 18:02 asciilifeform: !#s coffee enema 1826588;1529350892;mircea_popescu;spritz enema mp's harem mainstay also. 1826589;1529350933;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826538 << this is so. 1826590;1529350933;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 18:09 phf: asciilifeform: americans are uncomfortable with own butts. "enema" is a european concept that only freaky health nut anorexic girls are into.. 1826591;1529351026;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826539 << this solution, ftr, was invented in ww2. easier for usarmy baggage train to handle hfcs than coffee. 1826592;1529351026;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 18:12 phf: their solution to shit coffee is putting milk and syrups (see also "bulletproof coffee"), kind of like the solution to poor soil and bad farming practices is to put "dressing" on vegetables 1826593;1529351330;mircea_popescu;https://blog.bulletproof.com/how-to-make-your-coffee-bulletproof-and-your-morning-too/ << this inanity is fucking hysterical. castor oil coffee ? 1826594;1529351405;mircea_popescu;midway in the page, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mJkxI/?raw=true 1826595;1529351925;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826542 << not down here. an' it kinda shows. 1826596;1529351925;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 18:14 asciilifeform: or how meat gets , as matter of routine, an elephant dose from electron gun ( or, sometimes, co-60 ) , 'or unsafe to sell' 1826597;1529351987;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826548 << nah, you should see what germans do to it. it's something out of literature, they scour the globe buying up the best grades anyone is willing to sell, then take it home and fuck it. 1826598;1529351987;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 18:20 asciilifeform: i suspect -- on pretty much whole globe minus usa. 1826599;1529352001;mircea_popescu;contemporary german hates coffee like his granpa hated jews. 1826600;1529352075;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826556 << should see the faces of mongols when they discover what "chorreado" means. 1826601;1529352075;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 18:26 phf: asciilifeform: they burn the seeds, and then overbrew the drink, and it's exactly that "come to expect". girl worked in a coffee shop, but having been exposed to good coffee she brews it "soft", and lots of people complained that it's "watery". of course there was also a group of european expats that religiously came every morning 1826602;1529352131;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826566 << boabe. beads. 1826603;1529352131;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 18:30 asciilifeform: in de, en, ro iirc beans. 1826604;1529352309;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in serious perversion, https://78.media.tumblr.com/9dca6273278f7f51d62618f625a9fbc2/tumblr_n2jcfqS3Zq1roolpmo1_1280.jpg (you get the little slavegirl toys adequate, rite) 1826605;1529352540;asciilifeform;lol! 1826606;1529352571;asciilifeform;re coffee -- asciilifeform's pet to this day salivates when remembering the coffee in ~timis airport~ machine ! 1826607;1529352842;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826591 << i almost then went 'so why not they simply drink hfcs + caffeine' then remembered 'coca cola' etc 1826608;1529352842;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 19:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826539 << this solution, ftr, was invented in ww2. easier for usarmy baggage train to handle hfcs than coffee. 1826609;1529352859;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1826610;1529352882;asciilifeform;( which is ~that~ plus some phosphoric acid to spur on thirst, so konsoomer drinks yet moar of the sludge ) 1826611;1529353085;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826595 << afaik irradiations, ultrapasteurizations, all related atrocities, exist only in 'must feed massive concentration of office plankton' leprosoriae. so no, i dun expect that it happens in cr. 1826612;1529353085;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 19:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826542 << not down here. an' it kinda shows. 1826613;1529353901;mircea_popescu;nah, they have the tetrapak milk here. for some reason they don't understand milk. 1826614;1529355565;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826594 << interestingly, it dun un-base64 to anyffing like plain text 1826615;1529355565;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 19:50 mircea_popescu: midway in the page, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mJkxI/?raw=true 1826616;1529355570;asciilifeform;prolly ciphered eggog 1826617;1529355575;asciilifeform;( who does this, and why.. ) 1826618;1529355616;asciilifeform;this is somethin' new and lulzy, not even microshit does this afaik 1826619;1529355792;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826571 << i suspect that just about all 'failure to thrive' , whether end in neg or not, can be reduced to 'refused to read the logz' 1826620;1529355792;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 19:19 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-17#1826240 << are you for fucking real? what you're actually saying: "i just got back" = "fuck all y'all." "what was the" = "i can't be bothered to read, so how about you read for me and lay a ribbon-tied summary at my feet like i could be you and you could be my slavegirls and work for me!" "exact reason i was negrated" = "and don't bother me with the details, i dun gas, i just want to know how to exam take this th 1826621;1529355833;asciilifeform;i.e. 'hi i am goat and i expect this to work just like all goat pens i've sat in' 1826622;1529356003;asciilifeform;refusal to 'rtfm' -- the one truly mortal sin. 1826623;1529357494;mircea_popescu;rather, "i expect you to adapt to me". or, to quote the freshest social media cunt, "I'd have to provide a lot of terms and conditions". because... totally, what, democracy and shit. 1826624;1529357629;*;asciilifeform misread 'adopt me' lol 1826625;1529357640;mircea_popescu;lol 1826626;1529357695;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in backwardsness, https://78.media.tumblr.com/904fea7bd3f9c73649a3d039d2854d27/tumblr_orbs61EySk1w49qypo1_500.gif 1826627;1529357737;asciilifeform;somehow it never occurs to the lulznovice to contemplate what the 'monastery' would be like if it were to actually do this, to 'adapt to' whatever is in each new dumb kid's cockroach basket he walks in with 1826628;1529357815;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ? it'd be like github, neh ? 1826629;1529357818;mircea_popescu;like college, neh ? 1826630;1529357837;mircea_popescu;like "politics", at least the "just the facts" version jewmedia put on their collegiate github page. 1826631;1529357844;mircea_popescu;EVERYTHING WORKS THAT WAY!!1 1826632;1529357890;mircea_popescu;mcdonalds/walmart adapt to the exact needs of each customer coming in! ask them! and if this adaptation isn't obvious to you, it's because they are already perfectly adapted as they are. ask them! 1826633;1529357891;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1826634;1529358382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, to unite those other threads, there is ~a reason~ simulated culture, be it in the shape of "trained" bacteria or "trained" "expert systems" or whatever else "unlearn faster than they learn". 1826635;1529358402;mircea_popescu;not having the mechanism that can say no, they end up "adapting to newcomers" which reduces total culture quotient in the system. 1826636;1529358410;mircea_popescu;the exact equivalent of "give more people the vote". 1826637;1529359061;asciilifeform;aha, or see also the membranes discussion 1826638;1529360279;asciilifeform;re 'expert systems' -- the ones that did ~not~ try to 'learn' -- in some cases worked pretty well. 1826639;1529360299;asciilifeform;( but , not being 'sexy', not much press on these in current times ) 1826640;1529363324;trinque;phf, Mocky, and others waiting on cuntoo, the genesis.vpatch which contains only the ebuilds necessary for a minimal system is about 4mb. 1826641;1529363375;trinque;obviously this is far into "difficult to meat-verify" territory, so what I'm working on is a set of instructions such that another can produce the same genesis.vpatch himself. 1826642;1529363464;trinque;we'll have a clear chain of custody back into ye olde gentoo, and from there can continue to digest the turd. subsequent vpatches should only ever contain one ebuild plus that ebuild's deps. 1826643;1529363477;trinque;opening this up for discussion now in case anyone thinks the approach is batshit. 1826644;1529365635;asciilifeform;trinque: this is potentially pretty neat 1826645;1529365662;asciilifeform;trinque: and betcha the 4MB will eventually melt into 1, or below. 1826646;1529365730;asciilifeform;e.g. trb genesis , weighed ~900K , not so far. 1826647;1529365965;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826418 << pretty lulzy , '...the inclusion of a “personality” component in evaluating applicants... ...traits included in “personality” were: “humor, sensitivity, grit, leadership, integrity, helpfulness, courage, kindness and many other qualities.”' 1826648;1529365965;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 15:51 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/harvard-exposed-systemically-discriminating-against-asian-applicants/ << Qntra - Harvard Exposed Systemically Discriminating Against Asian Applicants 1826649;1529365995;asciilifeform;'Outgoing Harvard University president Drew Gilpin Faust tried to pre-empt the news in an e-mail sent to Harvard alumni and “friends”: In the weeks and months ahead, a lawsuit aimed to compromise Harvard’s ability to compose a diverse student body will move forward in the courts and in the media. As the case proceeds, an organization called Students for Fair Admissions—formed in part to oppose Harvard’s commitment to divers 1826650;1529365995;asciilifeform;ity—will seek to paint an unfamiliar and inaccurate image of our community and our admissions processes...' 1826651;1529366533;trinque;I'm thinking I can probably shave a meg or two, conservatively. current script naively snarfs whole ebuild dir, and not just the particular version of ebuild used 1826652;1529366610;asciilifeform;trinque: imho your approach is the correct one -- similar to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000003.html , first pin down , then -- shaving. 1826653;1529366611;trinque;idea is v-portage becomes the primary portage repository for the system. ebuild porter can bolt in gentoo's portage as an overlay, should be very easy 1826654;1529366620;trinque;aha, cribbing from the wise 1826655;1529366640;trinque;same sort of "found item" here, warts and all 1826656;1529366665;asciilifeform;this is The Right Thing. 1826657;1529366677;asciilifeform;( at some later point we can contemplate such luxuries as depythonization, say. ) 1826658;1529366908;*;trinque brb, errand 1826659;1529370426;mod6;trinque: very cool! 1826660;1529381925;mircea_popescu;trinque no, this seems perfectly sane. 1826661;1529384910;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in general, https://78.media.tumblr.com/8f50e762271b341d229ffdc73da92b3f/tumblr_nkraycJZrv1sr7d1mo1_1280.png 1826662;1529414302;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other koch gpg2isms : https://archive.li/FWdDD >> '...signature verification routine parses the output of GnuPG with an incomplete regular expression, which allows remote attackers to spoof file signatures on configuration files and extensions scripts. Modifying the configuration file allows the attacker to inject additional encryption keys under their control, thereby disclosing passwords to the attacker. Modifying the 1826663;1529414302;asciilifeform; extension scripts allows the attacker arbitrary code execution' etc 1826664;1529414585;asciilifeform;and yet meanwhile, in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824742 : https://archive.li/wGKk1 << where dummkopf 'responsibly dislosed' a 0d to yubico, which then went on to: 'reported the issue to Google's Chromium browser project – the core software of Google Chrome – and received a $5,000 bounty in return' 1826665;1529414585;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 01:32 asciilifeform: phf: speaking of which, consider the easiest winner , if the anti-patch condition is absent -- a google shitmonkey who knows the hole already and 'wins' on the monday right prior to patch tuesday. 1826666;1529417919;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-looks-to-foreign-turboprops-to-solve-close-air-support-dilemma/ << Qntra - US Looks To Foreign Turboprops To Solve Close Air Support Dilemma 1826667;1529418340;mod6;mornin' 1826668;1529418524;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1826669;1529418573;mod6;how goes? I need some of that gutrot coffee. 1826670;1529418773;asciilifeform;mod6: currently knee deep in saecular chores. you ? 1826671;1529418858;mod6;atm ya. 1826672;1529418866;mod6;need anything? 1826673;1529418944;asciilifeform;aside from a coupla additional pairs of hands, lol, nuffin 1826674;1529419166;mod6;haha, ok. i hear ya on that part. 1826675;1529421745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform regexp and sigverification, what would be a better mix. 1826676;1529421784;asciilifeform;regexp, like 'vise-grip', 'wrong tool for every job'(tm)(r) 1826677;1529421793;mircea_popescu;"extension scripts", fancy that wonder. koch put ethereum in gpg before ethereum was even "a thing" 1826678;1529421804;mircea_popescu;(of course, it was always "a thing" for the confederacy of dunces) 1826679;1529421921;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that bit is fucking hysterical. 1826680;1529422155;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other phase transitions, https://78.media.tumblr.com/03d101f19282a42a664c501b322c7ef7/tumblr_nmugj04jRq1sh0xa6o1_1280.jpg > https://78.media.tumblr.com/e4390de82af217703afc9b4d2cfd5a4f/tumblr_nmugj04jRq1sh0xa6o3_1280.jpg > https://78.media.tumblr.com/6575219925d01f7d4db8c9ac788a39f1/tumblr_nmugj04jRq1sh0xa6o5_1280.jpg 1826681;1529422169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the root lul, of course, 'pass, the Simple Password Store, is a shell script to use GnuPG for password management. Each password is stored in a separate file, encrypted with one or multiple GnuPG encryption keys.' << didja know this were 'needed'. 1826682;1529422187;asciilifeform;Run Moar passwordeaters. 1826683;1529422228;mircea_popescu;once they bite the "features" apple, they're lost for humanity. 1826684;1529422282;asciilifeform;gpg bit that apple when it went along with the rfc2440 crapola 1826685;1529422302;asciilifeform;errything afterward is cherry on the cake. 1826686;1529422349;asciilifeform;( rfc2440, aka 'openpgp', classically usgological turd, complete with null ciphers etc ) 1826687;1529422448;mircea_popescu;anyway, to continue the mystery from yesterday ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826427 ), here's phase 2 : "Vi dichiaro che prenderò tutte le misure necessarie per tutelare i galantuomini dai delitti dei criminali. Non deve essere più tollerato che poche centinaia di malviventi soverchino, immiseriscano, danneggino una popolazione magnifica come la vostra." (il derpo @ agrigento). 1826688;1529422448;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 16:19 mircea_popescu: here's a riddle for the student of history : 1826689;1529422458;asciilifeform;but hey, microshit pays him the moolah for Good Reasons, neh. 1826690;1529422484;mircea_popescu;now : this fellow understands that the only legitimate reason for having a state in the first place is to protect the priviledge of some against the intolerable pressure of the many. 1826691;1529422519;mircea_popescu;and he understands that police is either there to keep the niggers in line, in which case it is a legitimate organ of the state, or fails in this its only duty, in which case both it and the criminal gang backing it are strictly abominable. 1826692;1529422537;mircea_popescu;this much, he gets, on his own power. and then, on the same "own power" that got this far, turns around and picks... THE WRONG GROUPS. 1826693;1529422545;mircea_popescu;how the everloving fuck does this happen, then ? 1826694;1529422561;asciilifeform;this was who, mussolini ? 1826695;1529422566;mircea_popescu;still, yes. 1826696;1529422573;asciilifeform;aa figures 1826697;1529422632;mircea_popescu;and yes, "i'll take all measures to protect the lordship from criminals". doh. but then "criminals = the cool people ; the lordship = the baaaaaaa crowd" ?! what the fuck is broken in these brains, that they manage to evaluate 1=1 as true but then 1+1=1+1 comes out false ? 1826698;1529422647;asciilifeform;'hitler's only got one ball, mussolini -- none at all'(tm)(r)(amer. marching song of the period) 1826699;1529422658;mircea_popescu;heh. 1826700;1529422689;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can't help it, i'm psychologically threatened by ~partially working~ machinery. how the fuck does it juice apples but not oranges, this juicer ? 1826701;1529422714;mircea_popescu;what, he got a cp50 chip in his missing ballsac ? 1826702;1529422719;asciilifeform;possibly bush II offers clue , in his infamous speech where 'some people call you illiterate losers; i call you: my base!' or how it went. 1826703;1529422746;mircea_popescu;this is meaningless in the us, everyone there's an iliterate loser. 1826704;1529422751;asciilifeform;noshit 1826705;1529422781;mircea_popescu;see, italy in the 30s ACTUALLY HAD people in it. us ~never had, as best as can be discerned, samuel clemens marks down the one or two he found in a 3k mile trip as extreme rarities, in the 1800s. 1826706;1529422887;asciilifeform;what part of mussolini puzzles mircea_popescu tho? is it the part where he picked the unwashed lusers over sicilians ? as i understand, he couldn't have 'picked' the sicilians, given as he wasn't anyone in their wot. he was of, and for, the unwashed. 1826707;1529422891;mircea_popescu;(not that i'm proposing the "actually had" people in it had any fucking sense. that they didn't shoot mora the day of his "appointment" speaks volumes to the sort of retarded goatfuckers we're dealing with here.) 1826708;1529422954;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not true, however. he had an !!up, from cuccia, as discussed yest. and they knew "who he is", so that wasn't the impediment either. 1826709;1529422961;asciilifeform;hmm. 1826710;1529422993;mircea_popescu;he understands what the state is, and for. he understands how the police works, and why. he however thinks going with the plebs in eritrea is a working plan. how the fuck! 1826711;1529423021;asciilifeform;possibly cargocultist of lenin then ? ( observe, lenin did not stand on , e.g., cossacks, his algo was 'largest mass of unwashed' ) 1826712;1529423063;mircea_popescu;i am not persuaded this is true re lenin. 1826713;1529423089;mircea_popescu;on the contrary : lenin ignored systematically largest mass of unwashed, stuck strictly with the cool people he could encounter. 1826714;1529423110;mircea_popescu;this is the deep dispute between trotsky and stalin : the former tried to continue lenin in this exact manner, and it didn't work out for him. 1826715;1529423112;asciilifeform;well ~nobody surrounds ~self~ with unwashed. 1826716;1529423129;mircea_popescu;of course, by then the context had drastically changed, and stalin got a lot of mileage out of "trotsky wants to sell country" 1826717;1529423189;mircea_popescu;but this is why things like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-08#1811392 are so ~effectual~. they manage to misrepresent history, and then misinform the judgements of the chitlins 1826718;1529423189;a111;Logged on 2018-05-08 18:38 mircea_popescu: and in today's dollop of hysterical lulz : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin manages to go through 10k words without even mentioning the nevzorov sisters, coincidentally the reason the fuckbuddy of some old imperial chick even got to be stalin's successor. 1826719;1529423199;mircea_popescu;so they end up with "but of course inca". sure... except not irl. 1826720;1529423223;asciilifeform;earlier , lenin also got pretty good mileage from 'the white army wants to sell country' ( invited the intervents. which was a lethal mistake, after that red could 'come and fight the intervents, whites sold country' ) 1826721;1529423244;mircea_popescu;rather. 1826722;1529423374;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the mystery-ii, the only way out i see is exactly as yesterday. that thing discussed on trilema a decade ago : http://trilema.com/2009/romanii-si-munca/#comment-6410 1826723;1529423401;mircea_popescu;("the solution is, don't pay them in money, they want to be paid in lottery tickets") 1826724;1529423517;mircea_popescu;to mussolini's mind, the strange movements of halves of airplanes overhead seemed to promise ~more future~ than the predictable movements of the southern iron guard. germany HAY MAS FUTURO!!11 1826725;1529423574;asciilifeform;they had an exact copy of this in ro, also, neh 1826726;1529423577;mircea_popescu;then he proceeded to "reconstruct" ye olde praetorian guard out of the pressed shitboard of youths from the periphery of rome. 1826727;1529423586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform antonescu you mean, the marshall guy ? 1826728;1529423589;asciilifeform;aha 1826729;1529423600;mircea_popescu;romania had absolutely nothing. 1826730;1529423613;mircea_popescu;it was a very strict "first come first serve", and the germans came first. 1826731;1529423617;asciilifeform;what's the operative diff b/w him and musso ? 1826732;1529423629;mircea_popescu;romania had no kingdom of sicily. 1826733;1529423661;asciilifeform;right, but could've 'kept it in its pants' neh 1826734;1529423668;mircea_popescu;how ? it had oil. 1826735;1529423674;asciilifeform;troo 1826736;1529423698;mircea_popescu;someone was going to work ploiesti ; at the times discussed above (1920s) it was standard oil and some british speculators. 1826737;1529423718;mircea_popescu;note that "re-taking romania" figured up there in the plans of hitler in his last fucking week 1826738;1529423725;mircea_popescu;"can't do large scale anything without oil" 1826739;1529423727;asciilifeform;so, idea is , he didn't want ro to end up a persia ? 1826740;1529423747;mircea_popescu;exactly. he said as much, repeatedly, and was plainly correct, which is why army followed. 1826741;1529423752;asciilifeform;logical. 1826742;1529423823;mircea_popescu;the much-celebrated-by-axehandles, today as in the radio free europe days "historical parties" cocksuckers kept sending letters "pointing out the problems", in the jewfuriating way they go about this, like idiot 15yos going "but dad, if house is foreclosed we'll lose out on our investment in carpeting" sorta bs. 1826743;1529423845;mircea_popescu;but they plainly knew they're being facetious cocksuckers. 1826744;1529423901;asciilifeform;still not entirely clear to me what antonescu had to gain from taking part in 'drang nach osten'(tm)(r). there's no oil in odessa. 1826745;1529423927;mircea_popescu;there's two major factors, and a bunch of minor ones. 1826746;1529423946;asciilifeform;was it simply the basic 'us -- them, or they -- us ' ? 1826747;1529423952;mircea_popescu;the universal oppinion of romanian officer corps, which, in romania, a country very german, were more than a third of the whole shebang, was that russians are literally worse than dogs. 1826748;1529423972;mircea_popescu;the common expression in bucharst was "muscali cu coada", ie, "muscovites with tails", becauyse unlike humans, they still had tails. 1826749;1529423981;mircea_popescu;this all stemmed from their behaviour in ww2, when they abandoned the front. 1826750;1529423995;asciilifeform;this much is clear. but what was to be had from invading the cynocephali lands. 1826751;1529423997;mircea_popescu;this, in the 1910s, was simply not done. and they shot them like dogs, throughout the 1916s. 1826752;1529424018;mircea_popescu;hey, the germans want to, who the fuck cares. we go and raze moscow, fujck them and may the word never be heard again. 1826753;1529424030;mircea_popescu;romanian army was more than willing to exterminate all slavs, period and full stop. 1826754;1529424032;asciilifeform;afaik ro did not have an acute lebensraum problem 1826755;1529424039;mircea_popescu;"next fucking time we have a deal, you cover the fucking front, cocksuckers" 1826756;1529424054;mircea_popescu;no, they just disliked the continued existence of russophones. 1826757;1529424114;mircea_popescu;that was one thing ; the other thing was that russia annoyed the shit out of romania by taking some small and inconsequential parcels of land that stephen managed to beat the turks out of repeatedly, a few centuries prior. 1826758;1529424124;asciilifeform;moldavia ? 1826759;1529424126;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, was one of the dumbest moves known to european politics. 1826760;1529424152;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, bits and pieces of what became the ukraine. 1826761;1529424153;asciilifeform;takes 2nd place behind the su conquest of the western ukrs 1826762;1529424158;asciilifeform;aha 1826763;1529424176;mircea_popescu;anyway, nobody actually wanted that land qua land, nor was it even fucking useful. but, idiots. 1826764;1529424206;jurov;!!invoice ben_vulpes 0.40847278 "wire to the Pizarro DC sent 2018-06-12" 1826765;1529424210;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/03G88/?raw=true 1826766;1529424210;mircea_popescu;now, among the minor factors -- romania, at the time a major european actor economically, stored its treasury in moscow before ww1. and well... it was lost. 1826767;1529424255;jurov;!!v 7077C4293B97125785216EDD1DC83D604155C99A698AB4EF9FFE405AFF1E64DC 1826768;1529424257;mircea_popescu;(which it genuinely was, if anyone knows what the fuck chaos revolutionary years were, it;s a wonder somebody didn't steal the hermitage buildings altogether) 1826769;1529424260;deedbot;Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.40847278 << "wire to the Pizarro DC sent 2018-06-12" 1826770;1529424282;mircea_popescu;and we can keep going, but you get the idea. russians had managed to make themselves as impopular as humanly possible with the ~only martial neighbour it had at the time. 1826771;1529424286;asciilifeform;which hermitage 1826772;1529424304;mircea_popescu;the one in sankt leningrad 1826773;1529424307;asciilifeform;aaa 1826774;1529424350;asciilifeform;good chunk of it ~was~ picked up ( and, mostly, sold for hard currency in the west ) 1826775;1529424354;mircea_popescu;ikr. 1826776;1529424397;asciilifeform;tho, interestingly, mostly after '29 1826777;1529424397;mircea_popescu;this all stemmed from their behaviour in ww2, << evidently, i mean ww1. 1826778;1529424403;asciilifeform;( rather than during revolution ) 1826779;1529424544;asciilifeform;there's actually a few pieces in the american national gallery in washington, from that particular selloff 1826780;1529424594;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i am actually willing to go on the record saying that had the russians either a) retreated more intelligently post revolution, which wasn't entirely unsupported or unsimpathized in romania or b) stayed the fuck out of land they, like anyone else, ultiately DIDNT EVEN WANT jesus christ, 1826781;1529424603;mircea_popescu;the massacre of leningrad'd have been entirely avoided. 1826782;1529424622;mircea_popescu;it's a fine example of "we promoted condolezza the nigger, and now we're fucked". 1826783;1529424651;asciilifeform;revolutionaries tend to pick fights above own weight class. ( recall the americans, marching into canada, ending with white house being burned by brits ) 1826784;1529424681;asciilifeform;or, prior to this, the adventures of the french 1826785;1529424682;mircea_popescu;all it took was retreating over a year, rather than over three weeks. 1826786;1529424719;mircea_popescu;i am satisfied, for my own needs, that the "rulers" involved had no fucking idea what'ds going on, quite literally. 1826787;1529424881;asciilifeform;they went to retake pieces ceded earlier in brest-litovsk, and overextended. 1826788;1529424927;asciilifeform;( even the war with finns, can be framed in this picture, 'let's return what lenin oopsed away' 1826789;1529424930;asciilifeform;) 1826790;1529425007;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/after-months-of-whispers-schulte-charged-for-espionage-act-violations/ << Qntra - After Months Of Whispers Schulte Charged For Espionage Act Violations 1826791;1529425036;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: both links go to same item ? 1826792;1529425039;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1826793;1529425047;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: For emphasis 1826794;1529425142;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826770 << dun forget the poles also 1826795;1529425142;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 16:04 mircea_popescu: and we can keep going, but you get the idea. russians had managed to make themselves as impopular as humanly possible with the ~only martial neighbour it had at the time. 1826796;1529425170;mircea_popescu;right ; and notice how it worked out the exact same fucking way, poles were out for blood. 1826797;1529425245;asciilifeform;( here's a stalin puzzler : after ww2, he gave the poles, gift-wrapped, silesia -- good chunk of their current-day footprint. ) 1826798;1529425400;mircea_popescu;i thought received wisdom is "buffer state with prussia" 1826799;1529425414;asciilifeform;sure. 1826800;1529425438;mircea_popescu;!#s gonnen mir nicht 1826801;1529425438;a111;1 result for "gonnen mir nicht", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gonnen%20mir%20nicht 1826802;1529425447;asciilifeform;on, lol, czech border. 1826803;1529425470;mircea_popescu;hey, fredrich had it. 1826804;1529425477;asciilifeform;aha 1826805;1529425764;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in related lulz, re the puzzler of 'why schulte sat around in usa waiting to be picked up', apparently , per the volkischer beobachter, 'Schulte had long been a suspect of investigators exploring the leak, but before Monday, he had been held on separate child pornography charges. Manhattan U.S. Attorney Geoffrey S. Berman said in a statement that investigators looking into Schulte found the pornography in his residence. 1826806;1529425764;asciilifeform;His personal computer, federal prosecutors alleged, held more than 10,000 images and videos of such material, protected under three layers of passwords.' 1826807;1529425790;asciilifeform;'arrested on charges stemming from the porn in August 2017' 1826808;1529425795;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Oh we lulled about that in May 1826809;1529425822;asciilifeform;lettre de cachet lulz 1826810;1529425842;mircea_popescu;why else even have the whole "child pornography" thing. 1826811;1529425847;asciilifeform;aaha 1826812;1529425870;mircea_popescu;"these magical bits were found on '''your''' computer, and as we all know NOBUS coulda put 'em there" 1826813;1529425880;asciilifeform;aha, the whole 'digital evidence' edifice. 1826814;1529425880;mircea_popescu;"so arrest yourselves ?" 1826815;1529425943;mircea_popescu;if i everyone wasn't such a fucking retard, we'd have a lawyer joined up by now, and i could sponsor his clerical costs to send amici briefs to each and every single case involving "digital evidence" arguing it's a govt plant. 1826816;1529425978;asciilifeform;( recall, iirc 2015, some kid strapped a , what, 'beretta', to quadcopter, which -- possibly surprisingly -- wasn't banned yet; the next day picked up for 'childporn' ) 1826817;1529426008;mircea_popescu;it'd be a decent comedy lulzmine, but then again... ustards too fucktarded to even http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794007 1826818;1529426008;a111;Logged on 2018-04-08 01:43 douchebag: If I need to print off these flier, if I include the reciept of the printed fliers will you remburse them ? 1826819;1529426037;asciilifeform;in usa, lawyer is just another type of inca official, like 'jurist' in old su 1826820;1529426072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, this was a major lulz in "western europe" cca 1980s, when all sorts of bums and other vagrants in advanced states of dishevelement showerd up. "we escaped COMMUNIST HELL!!!!" "really ? how come everyone likes it there ?" "no they hate it there!!! everyone hatges it!!!" "Really ?!" 1826821;1529426119;asciilifeform;'erryone hates it, all the lifts smell of piss. oh btw, where is the lift here, i gotta go' 1826822;1529426163;mircea_popescu;amusingly, re "inca official", thios is not so. about 2/3 of the nominally qualified pay the "education" tax but have no income to show for it. 1826823;1529426169;mircea_popescu;much more like argentina than soviet union. 1826824;1529426202;asciilifeform;the ameritards have a 'gold rush' culture, destroyed several professions this way 1826825;1529426254;asciilifeform;the 'prospectors' eagerly buy up claims, shovels, picks, on credit, and from there on it goes. 1826826;1529426288;asciilifeform;typical street tard here still believes that 'lawyers are loaded', and even programmers, etc 1826827;1529426304;asciilifeform;'i saw on tv' 1826828;1529426376;asciilifeform;the ~employed~ juris doctor folx -- inca officials. 1826829;1529426380;douchebag;In regards to hanbot and mircea_popescu negrating me, I did read the logs and wanted clarification about the discussions that took place which lead to mircea_popescu negrating me. 1826830;1529426389;asciilifeform;ohgawd 1826831;1529426423;asciilifeform;douchebag: as i understand you dun have long at the microphone; care to say something pithy ? 1826832;1529426487;asciilifeform;!!gettrust douchebag 1826833;1529426487;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: -3 by 5 connections. 1826834;1529426546;asciilifeform;yer standing on the trap door, douchebag 1826835;1529426578;asciilifeform;got last words ? 1826836;1529426621;douchebag;I just wanted clarification about the discussions that had taken place, that is all. 1826837;1529426630;asciilifeform;douchebag: what's unclear ? 1826838;1529426682;asciilifeform;douchebag: various folx gave you all sorts of interesting open problems . didja make an earnest stab at even one ? 1826839;1529426696;asciilifeform;douchebag: and the sheer cheek, to ask for paying contracts, without having done any such thing 1826840;1529426762;douchebag;I'm looking through the logs right now to find exactly what was unclear to me. 1826841;1529426814;asciilifeform;douchebag: better be quick about it, i expect mircea_popescu will pull the lever when he comes back from tea-and-chix or wherever 1826842;1529426839;asciilifeform;( i dun particularly care either way, douchebag , you're his student, not mine ) 1826843;1529426900;douchebag;In regards to your last question, I'm willing to work - however, I'm not going to spend my time working without any sort of compensation. 1826844;1529426938;asciilifeform;douchebag: when you got your saecular gig, didja simply walk in and ask ? or didja do something to convince'em 1826845;1529426991;mircea_popescu;however, lawyers in most places are generally poor. 1826846;1529427049;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they had an ok time for a spell, with unofficial cartel ( jd from nomenklatura schools, e.g. harvard, were auto-employed ) but as i understand this train has left 1826847;1529427091;douchebag;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-17#1826221 << I wanted clarification on the conversation that lead to this 1826848;1529427091;a111;Logged on 2018-06-17 16:32 mircea_popescu: !!rate douchebag -1 as it turns out, the more elaborate effort one puts into distinguishing gold from sand, the more elaborately sandy sand the one ends up with. gold is irrespectively evident on the first pass. 1826849;1529427097;mircea_popescu;everyone had an ok time after depopulation event, most recently ww2, 1826850;1529427104;mircea_popescu;but also periodically after "indian peace" etc. 1826851;1529427115;mircea_popescu;this is not related to profession, it's a demographic pressure thing. 1826852;1529427122;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i buy it 1826853;1529427141;mircea_popescu;mexicans are having an ok time with the progressive moving of erstwhile us inhabitants into their dreamer tanks. 1826854;1529427146;mircea_popescu;poles, similarily, in europe. and so on. 1826855;1529427156;asciilifeform;douchebag: you walked in, seemed to mircea_popescu to be a promising student, then asked to demonstrate some ability to do somrthing useful, and then elaborately wasted various folxs' time 1826856;1529427173;asciilifeform;douchebag: and then asked for paid gig, even. 1826857;1529427218;douchebag;I offered to work for free with the promise of payment of the job successfully completed. 1826858;1529427226;asciilifeform;douchebag: fwiw i dun get paid in anyffing edible, i work with mircea_popescu out of principle. ditto, for the most part, the other folx here. 1826859;1529427313;mircea_popescu;douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ? 1826860;1529427344;asciilifeform;recall how he walked in, 'i'ma break all yer shit' 1826861;1529427352;asciilifeform;where are the wunderwaffen, douchebag ? 1826862;1529427355;ben_vulpes;'twas riotous. 1826863;1529427363;asciilifeform;!#born douchebag 1826864;1529427363;a111;2018-01-11 douchebag 1826865;1529427363;a111;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768869 1826866;1529427367;asciilifeform;it's been a while. 1826867;1529427399;phf;asciilifeform: you'd be amused by the latest emacs release, "Limited form of concurrency with Lisp threads" "Emacs now uses double buffering to reduce flicker on the X Window System" "Flymake has been completely redesigned" "TRAMP has a new connection method for Google Drive" "A systemd user unit file is provided". it's almost like a self-parody 1826868;1529427430;mircea_popescu;maaan 1826869;1529427437;mircea_popescu;did you sort these phf, or did they ? 1826870;1529427445;asciilifeform;phf: dun look at me, my emacs bin reads 8 Apr 20 2013 1826871;1529427459;mircea_popescu;because i kept going from double take to double take, "seriously, someone uses google drive ?!" then "wait, system what ?!" 1826872;1529427463;douchebag;mircea_popescu: What makes someone smart enough to be here exactly then? 1826873;1529427483;phf;mircea_popescu: not only is it their order, there's barely anything else mentioned in there https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/index.html#Releases 1826874;1529427503;mircea_popescu;and nobody said anything, either ?! 1826875;1529427515;asciilifeform;douchebag: you can point to any of the l1 folx, and find 1, usually several, useful things they've built. begin there. 1826876;1529427528;mircea_popescu;the thing's dead, what. this is the direct equivalent of arab kid scratching ins'allah on inside of pharoh tomb. 1826877;1529427554;mircea_popescu;"oh look, pharoh era allah mention!!" "lol right" 1826878;1529427572;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's not merely dead, but fossilized many yrs ago, all of the living users begin installation by scraping off more or less errything added since 2000 or so 1826879;1529427579;douchebag;I'm more than capable of programming/building/writing/ect... 1826880;1529427584;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and none of them forked it. 1826881;1529427590;mircea_popescu;because fucked in the head. 1826882;1529427598;asciilifeform;lol naggum tried.. 1826883;1529427602;mircea_popescu;the great glorious gleaming victories of men alone. 1826884;1529427623;asciilifeform;btw trinque which emacs is in your ebuildtron ? 1826885;1529427628;mircea_popescu;douchebag their mother. 1826886;1529427645;asciilifeform;trinque: ( need a vintage snapshot ? i can supply. or for that matter phf has one. take yer pick ) 1826887;1529427669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform phf in any case it's high time emacs is either dropped or published. 1826888;1529427674;douchebag;The problem is, I have a lot of things going on in my life and I need a source of income. I don't have time to work on projects right now without ending up homeless. 1826889;1529427686;asciilifeform;lol dropped. from my cold dead hands (tm) 1826890;1529427728;asciilifeform;douchebag: somehow asciilifeform , phf , et al, still able to work on interesting things ~and~ not homeless 1826891;1529427773;mircea_popescu;well... how would you feel about forking emacs, phf ? 1826892;1529427802;asciilifeform;thing is quite ripe for the trb treatment. 1826893;1529427822;mircea_popescu;and phf is quite ripe for a major signature project like that ; eulora dun seem to interest him, so... 1826894;1529427920;douchebag;asciilifeform: I barely have any free time to do anything because of my job. 1826895;1529427951;hanbot;lol that escalated quickly 1826896;1529427957;asciilifeform;douchebag: i suffered from same thing for many yrs; go and find a slightly less all-consuming gulag 1826897;1529427984;asciilifeform;douchebag: fully expect that it will take you yrs. you may have to learn a new profession. 1826898;1529428008;asciilifeform;douchebag: this is not a catastrophe when you're 19 y.o 1826899;1529428016;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in bouncy giggle, https://78.media.tumblr.com/c47a357995357639904e44a60eccbeaa/tumblr_oau2nznLUW1tvy3cwo6_540.gif 1826900;1529428089;ben_vulpes;douchebag: i thought handing vulns over to sv corp responsible dicksucksure departments was a sure path to riches 1826901;1529428098;asciilifeform;douchebag: when you walked in, were all 'i'm making bank pentesting' etc. what happened to that. 1826902;1529428113;douchebag;I made $300 today doing it 1826903;1529428137;asciilifeform;douchebag: it helps to learn to tell the truth, at least in spare time, as hobby. folx dun like liars. ( and yes lie is mandatory in usg/sv. but it dun win you any friends here. ) 1826904;1529428214;mircea_popescu;if all this "milkmaid didn't cut it as duchess" patter ends up drowning out http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826891 ima be pissy. 1826905;1529428214;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 17:02 mircea_popescu: well... how would you feel about forking emacs, phf ? 1826906;1529428234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he's all yours, knock out the hanging stool whenever you feel like 1826907;1529428242;douchebag;However, I still want a garunteed source of income 1826908;1529428257;douchebag;in the event I don't find any vulnerabilities that week 1826909;1529428257;mircea_popescu;!!down douchebag 1826910;1529428262;asciilifeform;rip. 1826911;1529428269;hanbot;mircea_popescu highlight is specifically for visibility in a swamp neh 1826912;1529428290;mircea_popescu;ideally. 1826913;1529428349;trinque;asciilifeform: isn't one, can sit in the next vpatch 1826914;1529428376;mircea_popescu;trinque do you actually use emacs ? 1826915;1529428379;asciilifeform;trinque: 'which emacs?' prolly deserves a thread. lessee what phf says, i bet he has an earlier one than mine 1826916;1529428397;mircea_popescu;what's actually the usercount ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? jurov ? 1826917;1529428399;trinque;mircea_popescu: I do indeed 1826918;1529428411;phf;mircea_popescu: i'm thinking, i'm not opposed to the idea, but i was also the person saying in logs that emacs is harmful and should be abandoned altogether. i can bring together whatever's asciilifeform and trinque are using for their workshops, and adopt it for myself also.. 1826919;1529428414;trinque;with pile of homespun elisp 1826920;1529428425;asciilifeform;phf: it is 'harmful and oughta die' in same way as linux 1826921;1529428448;asciilifeform;phf: but unfortunately nothing like a workable replacement exists today. 1826922;1529428455;mircea_popescu;phf we will have to somehow resolve this issue, because neither of the current outcomes is seemly. having republicans use the google drive systemd website thing is idiotic ; taking people's shit is idiotic. wut do. 1826923;1529428474;mircea_popescu;phf explain it to me again, why should it be abandoned ? 1826924;1529428484;mircea_popescu;(me used and abandoned in less than a year decade+ ago, so...) 1826925;1529428625;phf;my personal objection to it is that it's a time sink, it's easy and satisfying to customize, but it never quite gets to being a complete solution without major work put into it (ala lucene) 1826926;1529428647;mircea_popescu;and this is a structural problem ? 1826927;1529428668;phf;it's my personal problem 1826928;1529428700;mircea_popescu;consider -- if we agreed as indeed we seem to have that scripting language (eg, for eventual webatron, and for everything else) should be lisp dialect, 1826929;1529428706;asciilifeform;it's ~every emacsist's problem . at the same time, it is , like old arthritic pair of hands, better than no hands. 1826930;1529428707;mircea_popescu;elisp may actually be very much worth explicitly studying ? 1826931;1529428723;mircea_popescu;ie it seems to me the ~attempt~, whether it should succeed or fail, will be productive nevertheless. 1826932;1529428742;phf;that's very true, elisp is not particularly bad as a scripting language. with some effort can be stripped of extra baggage 1826933;1529428753;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elisp is a gnarly surviver of dark age 1970s lisps, suffers -- unfixably -- from problems long ago solved even in 'scheme' (e.g. 'funarg problem') 1826934;1529428766;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but you idiots being what you are i can't discern if it's "backwards pistol is every grenadier's problem because it fires backwards" or "bayonett is every recruit's problem b ecause attempts to sit on it". 1826935;1529428785;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the best object of comparison is imho trb. 1826936;1529428789;mircea_popescu;emacs has been around for 500 years and NOT A SINGLE COGENT DISCUSSION of this matter is to be found anywhere. 1826937;1529428804;asciilifeform;we had no fewer than 3 'emacs is duct tape' threads here. 1826938;1529428825;mircea_popescu;i was counting the "experts" outside of here. those things that exist, you know. 1826939;1529428831;asciilifeform;aaa 1826940;1529428833;asciilifeform;lol 1826941;1529428854;mircea_popescu;can you answer this ? is the "emacs is fun to customize, and comes with guarantee that it will solve any x hour problem in x * 1.17 ^ your age hours" ? 1826942;1529428869;mircea_popescu;is this BECAUSE EMACS ? or is it because idiots ? 1826943;1529428871;asciilifeform;in heathendom it is always either 'eh gnarly pos who needed it ever' or 'hands off my sacred animal, i'll shoot' 1826944;1529428891;*;trinque lives in the thing as window manager even 1826945;1529428912;phf;trinque: which version was your original baseline by the way? 1826946;1529428913;trinque;didn't take that long to get to the point where I can throw tiled window arrangements on screen with a few keyboard twitches 1826947;1529428968;trinque;iirc I ran 24 for a while, am on 25 atm, but am not vouching for that version. 1826948;1529428971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: largely because idiots. however there's a number of structural problems (e.g inability to handle word wrap in anything like a reasonable way) that attract ~infinite kludge-hours from all sorts of folx 1826949;1529428978;mircea_popescu;trinque so are you basically taking the stand where you swear that emacs is actually productive, in the sense of taking less time to customize for and solve new problem than trivial approach, and therefore it's the incorect habits of the common user rather than the harmful structure of emacs that's to blame ? 1826950;1529429006;*;asciilifeform 24.3.1 1826951;1529429024;mircea_popescu;because this is a major, no, strike that, this is THE major fucking decision here. 1826952;1529429034;mircea_popescu;and we'd better get it right. 1826953;1529429064;trinque;I don't venture too far down the tree of possible customizations beyond assemble workbench, make tools readytohand, start working 1826954;1529429223;trinque;I would stand by the claim that emacs *can* be a time-sink, just as moving your desk around the office each day can, but it doesn't have to be, and isn't inherent in the tool 1826955;1529429241;mircea_popescu;hm. 1826956;1529429307;mircea_popescu;because yes, the exact sort of objection (we're only counting the cogent ones, washed out of 10bn words of idiocy outside the gates) brought against emacs can (and was) brought against desk by orcs. "o, by the time you're done moving it around the meadow the boar long left" "what boar ?" "the one you were going to shoot inkwell at, silly." "oh i c" 1826957;1529429310;phf;well if we're talking about moving your desk around the office, then emacs is kind of tool that comes with various desk parts, and you can attach them together, but one of the legs is going to be short, so you spend some time replacing the desk leg, etc. etc. 1826958;1529429324;mircea_popescu;is it though ? 1826959;1529429360;jurov;pls don't ask me anything about emacs. i use (neo)vim. tried several times to use emacs and gave up in anger - for example, there isn't even universal keystroke to change between windows/close a window. 1826960;1529429361;mircea_popescu;phf can you reduce this short leg metaphore to a strict example ? 1826961;1529429373;mircea_popescu;jurov word. 1826962;1529429420;trinque;eh? c-c o and c-x 0 1826963;1529429448;asciilifeform;trinque: he's prolly thinking of toplevel x windows 1826964;1529429451;trinque;can't really judge the thing on keybindings. they're right there to change 1826965;1529429463;phf;^ 1826966;1529429466;asciilifeform;^ 1826967;1529429476;asciilifeform;'universal'-anyffing is a mirage 1826968;1529429496;asciilifeform;( and who the FUCK cares that something doesn't work uniformly on e.g. microshit ? ) 1826969;1529429507;jurov;trinque there was always some mode or context or something where it did not work 1826970;1529429513;mircea_popescu;dawgs, the question was as to usercount. he answered, that he dun use it. what moar. 1826971;1529429519;asciilifeform;in so far asciilifeform is concerned, the 'universal' workstation is emacs-in-ratpoison. 1826972;1529429527;asciilifeform;and the basic keys of this, are the universal keys. 1826973;1529429608;asciilifeform;jurov: of all the sharp edges emacs indubitably has -- i have yet to witness this one. 1826974;1529429623;trinque;eh, sometimes you q, sometimes c-g, other times ..., I get it 1826975;1529429626;phf;mircea_popescu: my short log metaphor example would've been the key bindings. there are conventions, they are not always followed, and often they have to be recustomized on a per-mode basis, or else you just memorize the abysmal defaults and stick to them. 1826976;1529429659;asciilifeform;as repeatedly pointed out by e.g. naggum, the defaults pre-date pc kbd and are ~guaranteed to give you carpal disease 1826977;1529429791;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 << oblig lul 1826978;1529429792;mircea_popescu;phf yes; but amusingly asciilifeform doesn't admit this. somehow. 1826979;1529429813;phf;there's also the thing that emacs started as a lisp machine tool with a certain set of binding and behavioral conventions, and then slowly moved away from those conventions towards "user come to expect". we can't even talk about consistency here because things change drastically from v19 to current v25. e.g. is newline is newline and indent. but these days "everyone" expects return to newline and indent so the change has been globa 1826980;1529429813;phf;l, sometime around 24, for newline to now mean newline and indent, ... in most modes 1826981;1529429852;asciilifeform;not admit which ? it's obvious as daylight that the thing is a danger to life and limb if uncrated by naive lamer and used as-is 1826982;1529429860;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that keybindinds are short leg. 1826983;1529429883;asciilifeform;the default ones aren't merely short leg, but rusty nails protruding in 9000 places on 'desk' 1826984;1529429890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that when jurov pointed it out, you jumped. why ? if you know this is so, then it is so. 1826985;1529429908;asciilifeform;i jump because it became clear that he stabbed himself on such a nail and ran off screaming 1826986;1529429913;mircea_popescu;and the discussion isn't "default ones". discussion is "cultural ones", ie, "the complete mass of expectations" 1826987;1529429923;asciilifeform;this one's more complicated. 1826988;1529429941;phf;v19 most people agree was the pinnacle of old school emacs, making that the default though is entirely impractical since most of the elisp code has changed drastically since. moving forward along the versions is the movement from "pure emacs" towards a "systemd included" dwim monstrosity. 1826989;1529429950;mircea_popescu;yes well. complicated. discussing the simple things in lieu of the things being discussed is not much of a strategy. 1826990;1529429951;trinque;proper way to use it is to M-x and run the function you want, and when that starts to ache you bind it to something quicker 1826991;1529429960;trinque;everything behind a keybinding is also an M-x away 1826992;1529429982;mircea_popescu;trinque so shockingly similar to how... #trilema bot ctrl sq work ? 1826993;1529430020;mircea_popescu;phf the problem there is, that if a cut can't be identified, why are we even doing this. 1826994;1529430023;mircea_popescu;should be thrown out. 1826995;1529430033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my current understanding , is that each emacs user alive , at some time in his life, took the thing and whittled away the spikes that his particular hands fell on most often. 1826996;1529430045;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and independently, and secretly. 1826997;1529430065;mircea_popescu;which, imo, is enough to PERMANENTLY bury even the notion of "open source" as a "collaborative" endeavour. 1826998;1529430083;asciilifeform;eyeglass prescriptions are also in this sense 'independent and seekrit' 1826999;1529430093;mircea_popescu;not in the slightest. they're standardized. 1827000;1529430094;phf;xahlee actually went as far as releasing egroemacs where he reworked every single keybinding, making the result obviously incompatible with most elisp in the wild 1827001;1529430113;mircea_popescu;phf why would a script depend on keybidnings ? 1827002;1529430168;mircea_popescu;(why the fuck he runs adwords is another question for another time) 1827003;1529430171;phf;mircea_popescu: scripting in emacs is to great extent about customizing the ux behavior of the system 1827004;1529430194;mircea_popescu;so ? 1827005;1529430264;phf;so a set of functions that modify the contents of the buffer will usually include among other things script specific changes to keybindings, that are designed to slightly adjust the default global and make assumptions about what that default global is. 1827006;1529430269;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826979 << phf i for one would not be opposed to 'rewind to 19 and patch as-needed', like we did with trb. 1827007;1529430269;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 17:36 phf: there's also the thing that emacs started as a lisp machine tool with a certain set of binding and behavioral conventions, and then slowly moved away from those conventions towards "user come to expect". we can't even talk about consistency here because things change drastically from v19 to current v25. e.g. is newline is newline and indent. but these days "everyone" expects return to newline and indent so the change has been globa 1827008;1529430284;mircea_popescu;phf and i'm a troglodyte for thinking this isn't right ? 1827009;1529430335;phf;mircea_popescu: it's part of my rant "why emacs is evil" 1827010;1529430338;phf;so no 1827011;1529430339;mircea_popescu;as it stands right now, i truly can't grok the fundamental difference between the behaviour you describe and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814985 1827012;1529430339;a111;Logged on 2018-05-17 19:48 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the machine itself, hardware-wise, is incapable of multiuser. it leaks its memory via cache timings on 3 or 4 different layers ; it lacks its state via nic delays, it leaks like a sieve. 1827013;1529430353;mircea_popescu;seems to me it's the exact same problem, cat held by tail trying to scratch the hand holding it. 1827014;1529430373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: emacs is a 'modal' system, i.e. every programming language gets a mode, implemented as a set of elisp proggies, that completely changes the behaviour of the editor to (ideally) make it entirely suited to writing that particular form of text 1827015;1529430389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform with you so far. 1827016;1529430431;asciilifeform;the gnarl begins with the fact that all of these modes, were created by different folx, with no coordination 1827017;1529430453;mircea_popescu;well so then would you agree that " obviously incompatible with most elisp in the wild" is actually a desirable situation ? 1827018;1529430461;trinque;it's an AST editor, attaches a user interface to a parsed AST, keybindings have been considered part of the UI for a given grammar 1827019;1529430462;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as most elisp in the wild is broken. 1827020;1529430472;trinque;better situation would be "here kid, have some functions. it's your job to bind them" 1827021;1529430481;mircea_popescu;trinque why better ? 1827022;1529430482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was the philosophy that produced 'climacs', an ab initio rewrite. which afaik ~nobody uses. 1827023;1529430489;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ? 1827024;1529430496;trinque;mircea_popescu: because I don't want to discuss with anyone how my own private desk is arranged 1827025;1529430500;asciilifeform;cuz 'no useful modes' 1827026;1529430509;asciilifeform;sorta the bsd problem. 1827027;1529430534;trinque;"nah, can't bend the girl over that corner. right corner is the pussy tray!" 1827028;1529430537;mircea_popescu;trinque so then your desk can't be part of paperwork delivery because courrier doesn't know how to leave you paper ; and you'll have to clea nthe room yourself as the black woman hired to clean the place can't interact with your desk ? 1827029;1529430565;trinque;nah, it means I can speak any language I want to my girl, and she still knows how to take the mail from the courier 1827030;1529430566;asciilifeform;worse yet, climacs was afaik never properly finished ( the redraw is glacial, even on a heavy comp, and various pieces to this day broken ) because nobody could be arisen to properly finish it. 1827031;1529430587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so the proper thing to say is, "climacs never existed" 1827032;1529430599;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a stillborn thing, afaik. 1827033;1529430614;mircea_popescu;not every time a dweeb dreams up a situation where he talks to the girl across is a relationship. 1827034;1529430634;mircea_popescu;trinque i confess i'm lost in metaphore. how do you map "i dunno how the fuck you close this damned thing" operator situation to it ? 1827035;1529430671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: climacs was above a momentary wad of spit, a quite substantial amount of work was sunk into it. but it did not add up to something that can be used. 1827036;1529430679;mircea_popescu;alright. 1827037;1529430685;trinque;I'm proposing the right design is that in installing any module for the editor, you must as a matter of protocol attach its functionality to your keyboard in order to use 1827038;1529430704;phf;asciilifeform: would you actually use a version 19 of emacs, if we managed to bring it up to date? it's almost a rhetorical question, since the result is most likely going to miss all the third party modes that you currently use without extensive amount of elisp patching 1827039;1529430716;mircea_popescu;trinque so putatively, if i wish to tell someone some choice bits about his mother's sexual preferences in russian, i must first map A to A ? 1827040;1529430718;trinque;freedom rather than bureau of keybindings, disorganized and distributed in the heads of shithub derps as it is 1827041;1529430720;asciilifeform;phf: i don't have ~that~ many elisps that'd need repair. 1827042;1529430731;asciilifeform;phf: it's a finite amt of work, that can be stretched out over time. 1827043;1529430769;trinque;mircea_popescu: depends on whether c-o to switch windows is cosmic truth or finger length / hand shape 1827044;1529430773;asciilifeform;phf: if slime and ada mode can be made to run, it'll be a livable emacs per my lights. 1827045;1529430779;phf;e.g. i'm using 22 for work, and in order to get slime working on it, i had to revert slime to some 2010 version, which in turn wasn't quite compatible with sbcl, etc. etc. 1827046;1529430798;asciilifeform;phf: slime aint exactly trb, it's, what, 50kB ? 1827047;1529430803;phf;true 1827048;1529430808;asciilifeform;fixable. 1827049;1529430808;mircea_popescu;why slime when elisp ? 1827050;1529430839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: slime is an emacs 'mode' for working with commonlisp. 1827051;1529430847;mircea_popescu;yes... ? 1827052;1529430857;mircea_popescu;should i have asked "why elisp when slime" ? 1827053;1529430861;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is the q 'why not write major proggies in elisp ' ? 1827054;1529430863;phf;well in my case btcbase is written in common lisp, so slime, unless i also rewrite btcbase in elisp 1827055;1529430885;mircea_popescu;phf i have nfi what you're doing. this is what this opening of the pandora box is all about, trying to grok it once. 1827056;1529430886;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: answ is, it's about on par with quickbasic in re syntax, memory utilization, stability. 1827057;1529430890;asciilifeform;dark ages interpreted lisp. 1827058;1529430896;mircea_popescu;so why keep it ? 1827059;1529430926;asciilifeform;climacs was the result of 'let's throw it out' 1827060;1529430946;asciilifeform;theoretically no good reason to keep it. aside from the fact that current body of emacs is largely composed ~of~ it. 1827061;1529430949;mircea_popescu;well no, climacs was "above a momentary wad of spit, but it did not add up to something that can be used." 1827062;1529430971;mircea_popescu;so basically the correct move is, throw out emacs, rewrite it in sane lisp ? 1827063;1529430972;trinque;throwing it out otherwise involves what, vimscript? or py, rubby, lua, etc. bindings 1827064;1529430980;mircea_popescu;trinque werll no, slime. 1827065;1529430982;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was always the Right Thing 1827066;1529430990;trinque;^ 1827067;1529430995;asciilifeform;but the hero to actually do The Right Thing, never arose. 1827068;1529431012;asciilifeform;and he'll need 9000 hands. 1827069;1529431018;mircea_popescu;is this an intractable problem in itself, or do the sort of people who could do it, keep getting distracted with idiocy ? 1827070;1529431022;trinque;this is I'm sure why gabriel_laddel got some attention for a wbit 1827071;1529431065;phf;mircea_popescu: i get it, i'm being sloppy because i want it to be obvious that the box is indeed pandora's box 1827072;1529431067;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it ain't intractable, and ranks substantially below, resource-wise, e.g. replacement of gcc 1827073;1529431088;asciilifeform;but far costlier than, e.g., replacement of 'diff' 1827074;1529431098;asciilifeform;it's about on par with full replacement of trb. 1827075;1529431130;mircea_popescu;trinque aha. something along the lines of http://trilema.com/2013/squares-do-morals-a-porno/#selection-519.0-519.243 i always figured (which, oddly enough, is not in logotron!) 1827076;1529431145;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd have tyhought so! 1827077;1529431159;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking ide for chrissakes! 1827078;1529431161;asciilifeform;( granted, a defective 'replacement for trb' will give you a reactor meltdown, whereas a climacs-like abortion will simply create grumbling would-be users who revert back to emacsism ) 1827079;1529431185;mircea_popescu;exactly. it's a "risk free" adventure in the sense all one risks is own time. 1827080;1529431192;asciilifeform;entirely correct. 1827081;1529431199;mircea_popescu;eminently fixable, too, as problem === pain now. 1827082;1529431206;phf;climacs also had insane resource usage and equally large dependencies, can't run it without mcclim, and we've had a thread about that. 1827083;1529431210;asciilifeform;( last we heard, gabriel_laddel was still out there in the desert somewhere, trying to fix climacs ) 1827084;1529431212;mircea_popescu;most all of it is "so if it hurts, don't do that" 1827085;1529431243;phf;so it was slow, potentially structurally so because of mcclim to begin with 1827086;1529431263;mircea_popescu;but much to my surprise, you demonstrated a tower of ductape lisp-flavoured drink that was fast. 1827087;1529431276;asciilifeform;slightly upstack -- even if mircea_popescu were to proclaim 'we gotta have climacs', ~100% of the work will be done ~in~... emacs 1827088;1529431280;phf;there's also portable hemlock in common lisp and edwin in scheme 1827089;1529431281;asciilifeform;ergo gotta have a trb-frozen emacs. 1827090;1529431283;*;mircea_popescu fully expected another rehash of "oh, it's glacial", as people then present no doubt remember. 1827091;1529431322;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not really ; can get away with letting grandfathered systems work it. exactly how we bootstrap ada. 1827092;1529431360;asciilifeform;will be gnarly if cuntoo dun build grandfather-emacs without major butchery. 1827093;1529431374;trinque;this is why I don't intend to put emacs into the genesis 1827094;1529431382;trinque;gotta leave room for a few runs at it 1827095;1529431383;mircea_popescu;it's a limited window, between (now, when we get the replacement going) 1827096;1529431396;asciilifeform;potentially -- years 1827097;1529431412;asciilifeform;by this logic could just as well omit trb from cuntoo 1827098;1529431413;mircea_popescu;potentially -- black guy with erection standing at your door about to ring bell. 1827099;1529431419;asciilifeform;lol 1827100;1529431438;trinque;asciilifeform: omitting everything from genesis but that which brings you to a shell 1827101;1529431442;mircea_popescu;if you don't wanna be potentially sexed, don't potentially open the potent doors. 1827102;1529431464;asciilifeform;trinque: recall, there was a headache with emacs on musl 1827103;1529431473;trinque;yeah, there's patches to be had though 1827104;1529431477;asciilifeform;( if it ain't resolved -- asciilifeform can't use, fullstop ) 1827105;1529431477;asciilifeform;aite 1827106;1529431491;phf;that headache essentially enforces an emacs 25 though 1827107;1529431498;mircea_popescu;phf which ? 1827108;1529431500;asciilifeform;phf: does it ? how ? 1827109;1529431512;phf;mircea_popescu: the emacs headache on musl that asciilifeform mentioned 1827110;1529431524;mircea_popescu;yes but be specific! he asks how, i ask which, same deal. 1827111;1529431535;phf;yeah, i'm slow right now, but i'll get there 1827112;1529431564;phf;well, lisp machines have this concept of loading code into memory and then dumping the memory image for a fast restart later 1827113;1529431567;trinque;gentoo musl overlay has an emacs-24.5.r5 1827114;1529431607;phf;emacs does the same thing, except in order to do image dump it used some internal glibc (!!!) hack 1827115;1529431639;phf;at some point the implementation was reworked, i was certain that was 25, but trinque just said that he has a 24 version 1827116;1529431652;asciilifeform;phf: any idea how much this routine weighs ? what would it take to port to musl ? 1827117;1529431694;asciilifeform;( and, just how much loss of load speed are we talking about, if it is thrown out entirely, and emacs gets to compile ~all~ of its elisp erry time it loads ? ) 1827118;1529431710;phf;asciilifeform: well, it's been ported, but i've no idea how, last time i looked at it was pre-rework and i couldn't figure it out. trinque just said that the musl version of emacs he has is 24.5, so presumably that works 1827119;1529431719;trinque;http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2015/02/03/1 1827120;1529431726;asciilifeform;prolly backportable then 1827121;1529431737;mircea_popescu;ftr, i don't believe this "save object code" thing is handled correctly. 1827122;1529431788;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was an ugly hack around the horrendously slow interpreted elisp 1827123;1529431791;mircea_popescu;because while pompously called "memory dump", it rather is just "make a binary out of lisp". 1827124;1529431804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. 1827125;1529431808;phf;mircea_popescu: it's not, but as the mail trinque linked points out "the right solution requires a significant overhaul by someone with expertise in emacs internal" 1827126;1529431826;mircea_popescu;well, the soviets seem tho be inclined to think that's you. 1827127;1529431836;asciilifeform;( even on my opteron, emacs is still a ~five second load , note ) 1827128;1529431849;mircea_popescu;better punishment for putting a funny snippet in an online chat has never been metted out! 1827129;1529431935;phf;well, i was hoping this conversation will steer towards which version we should go with. i'd love to try bringing 19 up to date, but i'm afraid the result of that effort will be that asciilifeform and trinque will just keep using own version on workshop. further into future we move, the gnarlier the code gets (i think i pasted 10x size increases with every new emacs release) 1827130;1529431962;asciilifeform;phf: this really calls for a ben_vulpes-on-trb-style archaeological dig 1827131;1529431970;asciilifeform;i.e. what exactly changed b/w 19 and 24 ? 1827132;1529431996;mircea_popescu;phf nah, this is a dumb approach. nevermind "what version", first and foremost, "what do we want here" 1827133;1529432024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't even care so much about that, because of the well ilustrated, here and everywhere else, history of idiots involvement. 1827134;1529432037;mircea_popescu;nobody involved with lisp coding, starting with rms, and onwards, had a functioning noggin. 1827135;1529432080;mircea_popescu;it's all piles upon piles of hacks by "please, god, mom, someone, send someone who knows what shit is to beat me up for all this." kiddos crying for dad. 1827136;1529432087;phf;mircea_popescu: see if i think that version secretly reveals how how many of the comforts of "modern" emacs we want to sacrifice, and likewise nails down the wants 1827137;1529432112;mircea_popescu;im not sure why you'd think that ; but not the end of the world. 1827138;1529432128;phf;19 is '98 technology, missing unicode, definitely missing ssl, i'm not sure how much networking code is there, etc. etc. 1827139;1529432144;mircea_popescu;is the networking code elisp or slime ? 1827140;1529432153;mircea_popescu;^koan. 1827141;1529432174;phf;networking code C/elisp, that's required to use e.g. slime 1827142;1529432186;mircea_popescu;i have great faith you see what i mean. 1827143;1529432204;phf;ah 1827144;1529432256;mircea_popescu;because on the strength of "networking code C/elisp, that's required to use e.g. slime" how about you lot unearth the old borland c ide and use that and be happy. 1827145;1529432424;phf;well, that's what's in everyone's workshop, piles and piles of hacks 1827146;1529432465;mircea_popescu;myeah. and maybe the discussion is both a little premature and a little touching raw nerve ; but nevertheless the progress on packaging, first ave1 with musl, coming up trinque cuntoo, etc etc WILL lead to it. 1827147;1529432470;mircea_popescu;so better start early than late. 1827148;1529432615;mircea_popescu;moreover, and this is the very heart and soul of this here republic, one who discusses his problems acquires the two magical things : solutions ; and supporters. whereas one who toils in unknown "privacy" produces mcclims and such sad things. 1827149;1529434014;asciilifeform;phf: i dun think anybody will cry if we lose ssl. uniturds is tricker matter, e.g. asciilifeform routinely edits proggies with uniturds in'em , in ru, cn, etc, and they gotta at least display ( i'd be ok to swear off ~input~ of uniturds ) . socket of some form is prolly a must, to have either slime or anything like a replacement for it 1827150;1529434075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except for the part where i keep putting uniturds in all the time, persian, chinese, whatever. 1827151;1529434090;asciilifeform;( tho i can picture a hypothetical commonlisp-emacs that doesn't ever need to socket , because has compiler inside, like ye olde borland ) 1827152;1529434103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you dun do it in emacs, tho, afaik ? 1827153;1529434114;mircea_popescu;but if it can't do everything then why have it. 1827154;1529434141;asciilifeform;asciilifeform was going through gedankenexperiment, 'what can be jettisoned' 1827155;1529434159;asciilifeform;if it dun cost much i'd surely like to retain orc glyphs. 1827156;1529434222;mircea_popescu;the honest truth of the matter is that we don't even know what we want yet 1827157;1529434223;asciilifeform;out of curiosity, do we currently have folx who irc via emacs ? ( ben_vulpes ? ) 1827158;1529434230;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, hence thread 1827159;1529434230;mircea_popescu;which is dubious base to start pouring concrete upon 1827160;1529434257;mircea_popescu;but this yes, exposes a major question that may help. is emacs "ide" ? or is emacs "wm" ? 1827161;1529434273;mircea_popescu;ie, is it fine to say "you wanna chat, use gossipd ; you wanna program, use emacs" ? 1827162;1529434282;asciilifeform;at least 1 fella ( trinque ? ) actually uses it in place of wm 1827163;1529434318;*;asciilifeform doesn't, because does not particularly like the 'emacs hosed, all machine may as well reset' dynamic 1827164;1529434337;mircea_popescu;i can definitely see that. 1827165;1529434344;mircea_popescu;and moreover, if that's ok, why not dos. seriously. 1827166;1529434346;asciilifeform;!#s ratpoison 1827167;1529434347;a111;58 results for "ratpoison", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ratpoison 1827168;1529434356;asciilifeform;^ asciilifeform's preferred wm, since early 2000s 1827169;1529434370;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i also use it as wm; will endure the occasional freeze-ups because if emacs has died well then the whole machine's utility to me has gone to epsilon anyways 1827170;1529434375;ben_vulpes;not irc, however. 1827171;1529434376;*;mircea_popescu can definitely see the "i do not expect my terminal to do background tasks, that's what the servers are for. i don't have separable pairs of eyes" 1827172;1529434377;trinque;possible I'd be entirely comfortable most days in a DOS + emacs, provided the term was big enough 1827173;1529434398;asciilifeform;trinque: believe or not, at one time i had a patched msdos to do 120 column txtmode 1827174;1529434406;*;trinque believes 1827175;1529434420;phf;i've used emacs under dos for almost a year.. 1827176;1529434431;*;asciilifeform tried last yr, on a purpose-made box, to replicate it, and failed, lost the ancient art 1827177;1529434450;mircea_popescu;how do you lose ancient arts. 1827178;1529434489;phf;emacs, in dos flavor and in general, has a support for transliteration in both input and output, so you can even edit orc language with some minor discomfort 1827179;1529434523;mircea_popescu;^ 1827180;1529434543;asciilifeform;phf: now i'm curious, what you build on that dos ( i.e. do you have gnat for dos built ?! major asciilifeform-wishlist item ) 1827181;1529434714;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same way errybody loses ancient arts. by overwriting the parchments and wax tablets, by neglect, by 'surely won't need this again', lol 1827182;1529434724;mircea_popescu;for shame. 1827183;1529434727;asciilifeform;verily 1827184;1529434731;phf;asciilifeform: back then i had slightly different concerns, nor did i build anything that wasn't already built. the whole thing compiles with djgpp, clisp is also available. bulk of the code i wrote was either common lisp by way of clisp or allegro "games" and visual hacks and such 1827185;1529434766;mircea_popescu;so to beat this horse : is multitasking a desired feature, actually ? 1827186;1529434777;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime 1827187;1529435482;phf;mircea_popescu: do you mean should the editor perform all kinds of functions in parallel? 1827188;1529435510;mircea_popescu;phf trying to whittle down the "ide" vs "wm" dispute. multithreading is a major point here. 1827189;1529436166;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on account of 40 yrs of os braindamage, folx often confuse what they want , in that they think they want multithread, but really want nonblockage 1827190;1529436177;mircea_popescu;right. 1827191;1529436196;asciilifeform;( e.g. for an infinite loop in sbcl, to not hose emacs ) 1827192;1529436205;mircea_popescu;but the dos discussion, as well as the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827171 should set this on sane footing. 1827193;1529436205;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 18:52 mircea_popescu can definitely see the "i do not expect my terminal to do background tasks, that's what the servers are for. i don't have separable pairs of eyes" 1827194;1529436363;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect it might be more than "an infinite loop in sbcl, to not hose emacs" ; for instance, it might include & behaviour. 1827195;1529436372;mircea_popescu;"does emacs need & ?" 1827196;1529436403;mircea_popescu;eg, bash without screen is ~useless. 1827197;1529436432;phf;there's two parallel discussions though, the technical should there be support for preemptive execution in whatever substrate (elisp virtual machine, linux, etc.) and the ux should the system give you ability to maintain multiple contexts 1827198;1529436456;mircea_popescu;true. 1827199;1529436464;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, in ballerinas for old men, https://78.media.tumblr.com/52a0cb16281b4564794608c85a2dced0/tumblr_npk9gyWPeE1taa3g3o1_500.gif 1827200;1529436498;phf;irc works in emacs without multithreading, while emacs window manager relies on linux level preemptive execution 1827201;1529436543;phf;but the first one is about explicitly maintaining multiple contexts, the other one is a technical detail (at the end of the day who cares that emacs is the one doing the management?) 1827202;1529436594;mircea_popescu;people who expect to run it atop musl as opposed to atop gnarl, that's very much who. 1827203;1529436624;mircea_popescu;consider the slime/elisp/c discussion again. how much of an os is this emacs going to be ? 1827204;1529436652;mircea_popescu;as far as i can tell, we've not yet said "emacs is really not the name we give the tmsr-os" 1827205;1529436689;mircea_popescu;there's good reason to equate os and code editor, incidentally. as the ~fundamental~ job of an operating system is to transform machine failures into debug sessions. 1827206;1529436704;mircea_popescu;thatr's why they even exist ever at all. 1827207;1529436891;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/19/updates-on-the-renting-adventure/ << Bingo Blog - Updates On The Renting Adventure 1827208;1529436954;mircea_popescu;to put it more stringently, "if your machine dumping core doesn't produce an emacs session, why aren't you using dos again ?" 1827209;1529437325;phf;there are layers and layers of cruft, some things that we haven't mentioned but that's implicitly part of the conversation. should there be x11, should emacs be the first thing that linux boots and nothing else, etc. 1827210;1529437371;mircea_popescu;i would very much support a lot of emacs effort if it gets one rid of having to ~also~ support x11 ; and vice-versa. for instance. 1827211;1529437388;mircea_popescu;but -- yes. 1827212;1529437519;ben_vulpes;no x11 means no graphical wwwtron, right? 1827213;1529437525;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not at all. 1827214;1529437550;mircea_popescu;leaving this briefly aside, consider the idiocy of "traditional" linux stack. there's a... wm, running x11 ; and in it you load a ... browser... which does it's own windows management (now called tabs). 1827215;1529437567;mircea_popescu;you need these two piles of idiocy separate like you need a penis for peeing and another penis for also peeing. 1827216;1529437578;ben_vulpes;ahaha 1827217;1529437584;mircea_popescu;which is why the idiots make feeble efforts to reunite them, as recently lulzed at wrt unity, a few days ago 1827218;1529437612;mircea_popescu;of course, proceeding blindly and randomly from the wrong edge etc. but the problem is obvious enough even cumshots on cumshothub notice it. 1827219;1529437670;mircea_popescu;if emacs is the wm, then it'd better a) rid me of browser and b) be capable of previewing for me the graph / naked slut / we i'm about to put on trilema, both BEFORE uploading and as part of the final page preview. 1827220;1529437671;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1827221;1529437813;mircea_popescu;anyone ever tried to turn a csv into a png ? something like say http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-as-seen-by-mircescu/ ; very practical need driven item. it's a fucking travesty! 1827222;1529437820;ben_vulpes;eww, the builtin browser is sorta step-up from lynx/links: no js, but can do images/svgs with the appropriate libs linked against 1827223;1529437863;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so then, if no builtin browser, why have emacs as wm at all. 1827224;1529437882;mircea_popescu;understand, i'm not proposing the one tru way here. but i do want to know why the cuts are made, if made. because otherwise wtf. 1827225;1529437952;mircea_popescu;best definition of what a cult is, incidentally. "why was this cut there specifically ?" "i dunno." that's it, that's a cult. can't answer as to why was something cut where it was. 1827226;1529438093;ben_vulpes;implementing the DOM and all of the california complexity doesn't mesh neatly with the text rendering already extant. i use emacs as wm around browser and some other things (not many other things, really, but 'modern' dom-o-tron is sadly yet central to $work), for the expediency of my workbench having a single scriptinglang to move windows around, split whole monitor and arrange for specific workflows... 1827227;1529438142;mircea_popescu;so you propose we keep a dom and an ast ? 1827228;1529438454;ben_vulpes;i'm amenable to dom as presentation model, but abhor the browser scripting language and the cpp hydras that render the html/css/jsoup. that said if we cut "teh modern webb!" off entirely, i'll hafta bifurcate my workbench. 1827229;1529438556;mircea_popescu;why not just get rid of cpp css/js processors ; have proper execution model for javascript. 1827230;1529438580;mircea_popescu;do you have any idea what a ~proper~ model for javascript would be worth in productivity terms ? 1827231;1529438593;*;mircea_popescu has seen the "debug" "expert" modes on every browser, holy shit... 1827232;1529438792;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aQ0op/?raw=true << look at this thing, for the record. just look at it. 1827233;1529438799;ben_vulpes;worth more to inca than us i suspect. 1827234;1529438813;mircea_popescu;this is production, workhorse website. 1827235;1529438814;mircea_popescu; /************* DO NOT ALTER ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE ! **************/ 1827236;1529438820;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes inca can't use proper tools. 1827237;1529438969;trinque;"state": "off" << wahahaha 1827238;1529439021;mircea_popescu;one can literally spend hours laughing with it. 1827239;1529439036;mircea_popescu;DM.molFeComponents.setConfig('molFeSmartBanner', {"android":{"averageUserRating":4.5,"formattedPrice":"FREE - In Google Play","trackCensoredName":"Daily Mail Online","storeUrl":"https://play.google.com/store/a 1827240;1529439040;mircea_popescu;censored name ?! 1827241;1529439090;ben_vulpes;i don't really see the point to importing rounded corners into republican tooling 1827242;1529439102;mircea_popescu;it's 20k loc! 1827243;1529439108;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so then we don't. 1827244;1529439245;mircea_popescu;but there;s a difference between graphical = "rounded corners" (in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1821998 sense of that term, "One of the motivations for the changes is to enable animations and transitions. If you use gtk_style_context_save/restore in your draw() function, that prevents GTK+ from keeping the state that is needed to support animations; so you should avoid it when you can.") and graphical = "mp would lik 1827245;1529439245;a111;Logged on 2018-06-10 05:00 mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss. 1827246;1529439245;mircea_popescu;e to be able to not have to plot "< awk -F, '/Bitterbean/ {print $3,$5}' testall.csv" using 1:2 t "Better Bitterbean" w p pt 1, \" 1827247;1529439286;mircea_popescu;is it ~so wrong~ to want to have either literal or graphical display for a csv, as an option ? 1827248;1529439304;mircea_popescu;maybe i really don't want to look at it as a succession of numbers. why, because i'm such a troglodyte ? 1827249;1529439310;asciilifeform;re disposing of x11 -- it is possibly even bigger can of worms than 'replace emacs', given e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671395 1827250;1529439310;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 04:57 asciilifeform: well, on classical x11 i have, e.g., machine that runs, say, 20 gui proggies, and each one 1) is on an entirely different machine, somewhere else, some of them not even on same continent 2) behaves EXACTLY as if it were running locally, window reshapes, etc 3) none have any shared state with the others, each sees local disk only of own local machine etc 1827251;1529439444;asciilifeform;the tunneling behaviour of x11 makes it practical to use a box with no video card, no kbd, etc. as a full-bore workstation ( and this was used as early as the bolix lispm ) 1827252;1529439546;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827214 << this is merely tip of iceberg, dun forget the multiple impedance-mismatched memory allocators, gc, etc 1827253;1529439546;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 19:45 mircea_popescu: leaving this briefly aside, consider the idiocy of "traditional" linux stack. there's a... wm, running x11 ; and in it you load a ... browser... which does it's own windows management (now called tabs). 1827254;1529439557;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform has nearly a whole www devoted to subj... ) 1827255;1529439797;asciilifeform;re x11, see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631304 1827256;1529439797;a111;Logged on 2017-03-23 00:11 asciilifeform: i always thought this was one of the spiffiest things re the smbx boxes 1827257;1529440122;ben_vulpes;unrelated apple luls https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/apple/macos-breaks-your-opsec-by-caching-data-from-encrypted-hard-drives/ 1827258;1529440126;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-26#1034767 << and yet earlier x11 thread. 1827259;1529440126;a111;Logged on 2015-02-26 21:07 asciilifeform: mats: for one thing, it it can't be piped over ip, it isn't a substitute for x 1827260;1529440139;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mega-surprise ? winblows does same 1827261;1529440163;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'encrypted drives' in software, is ~homeopathy 1827262;1529440199;asciilifeform;'professional secret known by many forensics experts' lol!! 1827263;1529440291;ben_vulpes;also other more lulzy luls: https://www.neowin.net/news/bittorrent-has-been-sold-to-blockchain-startup-for-an-alleged-140-million 1827264;1529440336;asciilifeform;'BitTorrent, one of the most recognisable brands in the world' << what's next, http is also 'brand' ? 1827265;1529440436;asciilifeform;( as for the orig idjit trying to leverage 'his brand', d00d's been at it for quite some time, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732650 ) 1827266;1529440436;a111;Logged on 2017-11-03 18:16 asciilifeform: 'Bram Cohen, famously invented BitTorrent' 'proofs of space and time' [many squigglies] 'decentralized, and more secure' 'Install and setup Keybase' etc. 1827267;1529440506;asciilifeform;i fully expect that linus will eventually sell 'his brand' so craig wright or whoever can make an Official 'linuxcoin' or whatever garbage. 1827268;1529440530;asciilifeform;!#s linux foundation 1827269;1529440530;a111;39 results for "linux foundation", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=linux%20foundation 1827270;1529440534;asciilifeform;^ in effect he already has, long ago 1827271;1529440688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nevertheless, consider : when the ~only~ possible use of x11 comes to fore, which is to say, playing a video game, all EVERYONE can think of is "how do i makew this a texrt client" 1827272;1529440709;mircea_popescu;you've already stopped using x11. that you don't admit this, well, different story. but in point of fact, x11 is already off by default. 1827273;1529440739;asciilifeform;dunno about other folx, but i use it -- in the sense described in linked threads -- ~all day, erryday. 1827274;1529440762;mircea_popescu;and it doesn't stop there ; are you aware "modern browser" won't even allow luser to set referrer string ? it's either "nothing at all" or else "Speak the truth". why ? so that fetlife can imp[lement faux security a la "oh, your referrer is incorrect, best relogin". 1827275;1529440776;asciilifeform;e.g. graphical emacses, complete with frames, arbitrary windowshape, and orcograms, running on other end of planet and displaying in arbitrarily-shaped windows on my console. 1827276;1529440780;mircea_popescu;some of them grudgingly still allow individual cookie inspection -- but NOT EDITING COOKIES 1827277;1529440792;mircea_popescu;and moreover, why shouldn'\t i be able to see the dom tree and permit/disallow certain branches from running ? 1827278;1529440801;mircea_popescu;("oh, mp, people would turn adds of if we did that" "duh"). 1827279;1529440808;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what, 'greasemonkey' no longer worx on 'modern browser' ? 1827280;1529440824;mircea_popescu;i ~should~ be able to enforce memory limits per branch, not fucking "nobody knows why firefox runs out of memory, but it has been leaking for 10 years straight now" 1827281;1529440828;mircea_popescu;what is this, the usg budget ? 1827282;1529440842;asciilifeform;and what's to stop you from diddling the strings in a http proxy. ( prolly easier, really, than making a 'greasemonkey' kludge for erry possible www browser ) 1827283;1529440849;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform point being, everyone uses curl, while pretending to have firefox. everyone uses terminal, while pretending to have x11. 1827284;1529440856;mircea_popescu;this pretense is just as good present as absent, you know ? 1827285;1529440872;asciilifeform;dunno, i have graphical e.g. logic analyzer, happily purring along via x11 pipes. 1827286;1529440882;mircea_popescu;THIS is what i fucking mean re views. if i wanna see my data as a graph it'd be useful if it were right there in the editor, and if i wanna see websites it'd better also. 1827287;1529440901;mircea_popescu;otherwise... what ? STRICTLY only way to tell "do not load foreign pages" to "modern" browser is to turn off the dns port. 1827288;1529440925;mircea_popescu;who's gonna rewrite this into sanity ? and why, so as to save the mozillatards ? break all the cr50s they scattered everywhere to save them ? 1827289;1529440927;mircea_popescu;fuck 'em. 1827290;1529440957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform point is, if i am using emacs wm, WHY should i kludge everything. and if kludge is the way of the land, why do we give a shit about emacs. 1827291;1529440960;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1827292;1529440985;asciilifeform;iirc there is a wwwtron , of a kind, built into emacs; it is in roughly the same condition as climacs. 1827293;1529441020;mircea_popescu;but... yes, all these are tips of icebergs. 1827294;1529441024;asciilifeform;www tools are in a sorry state, the choice is roughly 1) lynx 2) ipadism 1827295;1529441052;mircea_popescu;my choices work as lynx/curl. 1827296;1529441087;mircea_popescu;because in all honestly, i wouldn't even ~deign~ rto look upon the shit that's dailymail other than through n layers of awk. i don't CARE whjat they think they're saying asnymore than i care what the fetwhores think they're saying. 1827297;1529441117;asciilifeform;the heathens know this, and so they specifically put mega-effort into making 'get the text out via awk-like' as painful as possible. 1827298;1529441123;asciilifeform;same thrust as the fritz/cr50/etc nonsense. 1827299;1529441127;mircea_popescu;quite. 1827300;1529441161;asciilifeform;( observe that lynx/curl ~effortlessly display tmsr www items ) 1827301;1529441178;asciilifeform;phuctor in particular was optimized for curl | awk | ... etc 1827302;1529441243;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827208 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=267 ( and, sadly, afaik the only successful demonstration of this behaviour, was bolix ) 1827303;1529441243;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 19:35 mircea_popescu: to put it more stringently, "if your machine dumping core doesn't produce an emacs session, why aren't you using dos again ?" 1827304;1529441324;mircea_popescu;so to sum up this -- i have no dispute that everyone uses shards, bits and pieces hammered off named items, and pretends they're using the named items, "i use x11 in this so and so sense" "i use browser all day -- except not in any sense browser, of course" and so on. 1827305;1529441337;mircea_popescu;this truth'd better be faced sooner than later. your x11 is x11 by abuse of terminology and naught else. 1827306;1529441339;asciilifeform;same thing as in the earlier emacs thread 1827307;1529441346;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1827308;1529441346;asciilifeform;( nobody, afaik, anywhere, uses the factory config ) 1827309;1529441356;mircea_popescu;which is why it's all coming out of the tube here. 1827310;1529441398;mircea_popescu;but in any case, the reasoning "a. i have here toe of mummified saint justinian ; b. saint justinian once saved people from drowning ; ergo c. drowning is solved problem in my case" is batshit. 1827311;1529441420;mircea_popescu;everyone does it every day because the psychological pain of the laternative is just too great. but, great or small -- you're all fucking drowning. 1827312;1529441434;asciilifeform;it's moar of a shipwreck, errybody has a rotten plank or two keeping'em afloat. 1827313;1529441443;mircea_popescu;for some definitions of afloat. 1827314;1529441456;mircea_popescu;i still gota plot < if i wanna see the graph of a csv. that's floating in lalaland. 1827315;1529441462;asciilifeform;the current alternative, tho, is not a luxury liner appearing out of nowhere from the sky, but simply no plank, and watery grave. 1827316;1529441481;mircea_popescu;luxury liner! 1827317;1529441568;mircea_popescu;it's not "oh, errybody has a rotten plank or two keeping'em afloat." it's "oh, everybody ~can manifest matter by will~, currently everybody hanging off the bare minimum rotten plank and they're not even COMPARED". 1827318;1529441571;mircea_popescu;this is also insanity. 1827319;1529441587;mircea_popescu;i will download a luxury liner. 1827320;1529441594;asciilifeform;who wouldn't 1827321;1529441640;asciilifeform;( 'you wouldn't download mercedes!' -- idjit usg copyrasty poster ; 'i would if i could, motherfuckers' ( answer ) ) 1827322;1529441900;mircea_popescu;well so there we go. 1827323;1529441906;asciilifeform;re 'manifest matter at will' : in early 2000s asciilifeform grasped the mega-problem , that programming ain't actually hard, except for stripping away the monkey shit produced by 50 yrs of monkey. 'i want a sane emacs' turned into 'sane prog lang' and quickly 'sane os' then 'sane iron' , and afaik this actually the inevitable correct cut, rather than caprice 1827324;1529441922;asciilifeform;mens sana in corpore sano (tm)(r) 1827325;1529441966;mircea_popescu;when i was 16, my informatics teacher in the informatics lab told the kids upset at being stuck with the 286s (there were like half a dozen 386s too) that "if you ever get to where you mastered THAT cpu, you'll be way ahead of anything they teach in college anyway". 1827326;1529441973;mircea_popescu;there is some merit to first outgrowing the hardware. 1827327;1529442009;asciilifeform;errybody outgrew the von neumann box as soon as they started trying for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827189 1827328;1529442009;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 19:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on account of 40 yrs of os braindamage, folx often confuse what they want , in that they think they want multithread, but really want nonblockage 1827329;1529442038;asciilifeform;von neumann machine offers no sane means of asynchrony. ( hence idjit kludges like dma, little cpus in erry kbd/mouse/nic etc ) 1827330;1529442056;mircea_popescu;sure ; but still plenty of dragons to be killed on this island, before taking airship. 1827331;1529442065;mircea_popescu;which fucking hell makes me itch for a knight's bounty session 1827332;1529442069;asciilifeform;lol 1827333;1529442110;asciilifeform;on 'c machine', with overflows , runaway pointerolade, etc being inescapable facts of life, 'dragon' comes from the very earth. 1827334;1529442145;mircea_popescu;tell you what, get me a box whose only remaining problem is that well... hardware sucks. 1827335;1529442165;asciilifeform;very easy, just format yer disk, lol 1827336;1529442183;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822450 < 1827337;1529442183;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 16:18 asciilifeform: one of these was 'reactor control' , with realistic constants, you had to ramp up reactor, control the rods and the sodium pump etc, object was to get max power but avoid meltdown 1827338;1529442188;mircea_popescu;also not such a great machine. 1827339;1529442209;asciilifeform;could just as easily say that e.g. leibniz's calculator 'not so great machine' 1827340;1529442222;asciilifeform;subj was built by people who had to hand-draw erry transistor. 1827341;1529442263;mircea_popescu;aha. 1827342;1529442267;asciilifeform;the i/o device consisted of, what, 40 buttons and a 7-digit vacuum flask display. 1827343;1529442315;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: believe or not, mk61 was a troo breakthrough, a computer (of sorts) that could be actually mass-produced in orcistan. buncha folx did their physics dissertation models on the thing, even 1827344;1529442321;mircea_popescu;i do not dispute that part. 1827345;1529442331;mircea_popescu;in discussion is the "can't do anything, pentium sucks" 1827346;1529442345;asciilifeform;contention isn't 'can't do anyffing' 1827347;1529442357;asciilifeform;asciilifeform even nao still, believe, trying to accomplish something on it 1827348;1529442367;mircea_popescu;word. 1827349;1529442383;asciilifeform;contention is that the pestilences emerge from the fabric of the machine, rather than merely herd of dummkopf programmertards 1827350;1529442407;asciilifeform;the fabric makes trooly sane design of os, editor, i/o, ~impossible 1827351;1529442440;mircea_popescu;this is not directly evident to me. it is impossible to use the killer micro as a timeshare machine, yes. 1827352;1529442455;mircea_popescu;perversely related, https://78.media.tumblr.com/bd08c2d2724efb1ef90526590b3f80ac/tumblr_o87x1p9HKX1v389eso1_1280.png 1827353;1529442461;asciilifeform;ada, for instance, is a very, very heavy kludge around the c overflows/pointerola iron. 1827354;1529442619;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perversely-counterposed, http://pbfcomics.com/comics/small-man/ 1827355;1529442649;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1827356;1529442979;mircea_popescu;meanwhile over at google farms, https://78.media.tumblr.com/f67869ee37da246342e526d2af15174c/tumblr_o0mdo3C0P41rjh49oo1_1280.jpg 1827357;1529442986;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very tellingly, there were afaik 0 great gamez made for mk-85 , despite the latter featuring a pdp11-compat chipset ( in, forfuckssake, a pocket calc!! runinng on , what, 20 milliamp ) and rom basic 1827358;1529443017;asciilifeform;abundance -- brings waste 1827359;1529443047;asciilifeform;( granted at the point of mk85 , troo micros were already beginning to spread, and the set of folx willing to play games with grid paper, began to thin ) 1827360;1529443150;mircea_popescu;it's the exact sort of problem discussed re "scientific paradigms". dazzling array of alternatives results in manifestly inept behaviours. 1827361;1529443158;asciilifeform;imho there's something to the hypothesis that the almost absurd minimality of the earlier boxen, encouraged careful thought and experimentation 1827362;1529443172;asciilifeform;picture, game in 104 byte, and with 7 numeric digs as sole output. 1827363;1529443206;asciilifeform;folx would write, on paper, what was initially an impossible-to-run 300-500 bytes, then work, whittle. 1827364;1529443257;mircea_popescu;the golden age of the z80 games was principally driven by the fact that an intellectual unit (at the time, one guy + one gal) could churn out a game per season. most of the great "studios" of the time were this, coupla married math teachers. 1827365;1529443275;asciilifeform;z80 was an unfathomable luxury, from the pov of the calculator folx 1827366;1529443278;mircea_popescu;this generally is the thing, "what a man and woman can do in their bedroom instead of another pregnancy" 1827367;1529443297;asciilifeform;hah 1827368;1529443512;asciilifeform;ftr, prolly the most enjoyable programming asciilifeform ever did as adult, was on a device called 'pic16', a microcontroller with 68 addressable byte ( and 1k of program rom, it was a 'harvard arch' ) 1827369;1529443541;asciilifeform;https://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/PIC16F84A << vendor site ( apparently it's still in print ) 1827370;1529443705;asciilifeform;there is apparently still a subculture around that thing 1827371;1529443743;asciilifeform;with moar, and better-polished routines published for maths, i/o, whatever, than for just about any pc thing 1827372;1529444535;mircea_popescu;you know we also had these ? 1827373;1529444547;mircea_popescu;the "arm" of the 80s. 1827374;1529446805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall exactly what you had ? 1827375;1529446832;asciilifeform;cuz in ye olde su the closest thing , afaik, were straight clones of i8051 , with eprom , i.e. the glass windows 1827376;1529450592;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eg http://www.bobtech.ro/proiecte/microcontrolere/2-bobprog-programator-icsp-pentru-microcontrolere-pic 1827377;1529450661;mircea_popescu;item is 2004, and thoroughly infested with ms-isms. sadly earlier items not really online 1827378;1529451515;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826916 << I try to do everything I can in emacs, it being the "retarded cousin" lisp machine emulator for C machines. even used exwm for a while. 1827379;1529451515;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: what's actually the usercount ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? jurov ? 1827380;1529451542;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826971 << this is what i've adopted 1827381;1529451542;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 17:31 asciilifeform: in so far asciilifeform is concerned, the 'universal' workstation is emacs-in-ratpoison. 1827382;1529451547;mircea_popescu;esthlos yeah, by now there's a very large userbase for emacs established. 1827383;1529451556;esthlos;h'ok 1827384;1529452144;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aaaa you meant the ~actual~ taiwanese pic16, not orcistani micros 1827385;1529452178;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ( and lulzily i had the very same serialport programmator described in your link ) 1827386;1529452208;asciilifeform;the 1980s variant was '16c84', exactly same device aside from the glass window / uv eprom 1827387;1529452209;mircea_popescu;well yes, i thought it's what we were disucssing. 1827388;1529452225;mircea_popescu;there were also the "window" eeprom things, yes, but not really the same thing. 1827389;1529452249;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform , incidentally, is eternally on the lookout for anybody selling crates of eprom-window microcontrollers, they are gold standard for auditable/non-surreptitiously-rewritable iron ) 1827390;1529452322;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823173 << ru windows eprom. asciilifeform owns a qty, for fyootoor 1827391;1529452322;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 21:14 asciilifeform: let's take an example of trustworthy iron : K573RF4 ( https://eandc.ru/pdf/mikroskhema/k573rf4.pdf ) 1827392;1529452328;asciilifeform;*windowed 1827393;1529452395;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aa makes sense. i assumed you were speaking of clones -- orig. 16f never made it as far east as my orcistan 1827394;1529452434;mircea_popescu;ro was getting all sorta decadent bourgeois items by the late 80s. 1827395;1529452443;mircea_popescu;but tbh i suspect bulk of them were after 1990. 1827396;1529452457;asciilifeform;btw i still haven't tracked down a ro-made z80, most of my collection is from ddr 1827397;1529452475;asciilifeform;( and zelenograd etc ) 1827398;1529452527;mircea_popescu;lol 1827399;1529452592;asciilifeform;( for some conceivable applications, z80 remains more than adequate, and will remain so 50y from nao -- e.g. otp crypto, lamport, potentially -- btc walleting, etc ) 1827400;1529452658;asciilifeform;aside from rom/ram all it needs is a uart , of which there is also a good '80 supply . 1827401;1529452700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty sure baneasa made them ; but stopped ccaq 1988 and i doubt any crates survive untouched 1827402;1529452718;asciilifeform;http://www.vaxman.de/projects/Z80_mini/overall.jpg << example minimal z80 made by current-day fanatic 1827403;1529452740;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised at what survived untouched in some dusty shithole 1827404;1529452862;asciilifeform;ideal cryptotron would have simply empty socket, bring yer own z80, specificityofdiddling, hah. 1827405;1529452869;mircea_popescu;http://dl.wavetrex.eu/oldcomp/DSC_8811.JPG << lotta eg st micro chips used (the board etc are genuinely made in ro, but imported soviet capacitors etc) 1827406;1529452896;asciilifeform;sov mil-grade caps are still prized ( tantalum-niobium , go and buy these in usa for any price ) 1827407;1529452912;mircea_popescu;http://dl.wavetrex.eu/oldcomp/DSC_8813.JPG << that beta is the iprs baneasa mark. 1827408;1529452921;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup. 1827409;1529452948;mircea_popescu;so anyway, if you find a z80 with that beta on it, you got a genuine ro made item. 1827410;1529452957;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this item is similar to the last gasp of su comp makers, the iskra 286 , 100% orc except for the intel chip ( last su-indigenous clone was afaik 8086 ) 1827411;1529452999;mircea_popescu;aha. 1827412;1529453040;asciilifeform;in that last pic, the gluelogic loox to be a mix of su and ro 1827413;1529453049;asciilifeform;( K-*** is su designator system ) 1827414;1529453050;mircea_popescu;i expect. 1827415;1529453060;mircea_popescu;i toldja, soviet capacitors :D 1827416;1529453072;asciilifeform;'glue' being the 74xxx discretolade 1827417;1529453082;mircea_popescu;ah, the chip. yea 1827418;1529453086;asciilifeform;seems like ro kept the amer inscriptions 1827419;1529453106;asciilifeform;( su had this peculiar renaming tradition ) 1827420;1529453135;mircea_popescu;i always suspected su never got enough foreign made to end up with the conventions. 1827421;1529453157;asciilifeform;aha 1827422;1529453179;asciilifeform;su mil-grade logic tends to look like http://skupkadetaley.ru/data/image/catalog/k573rf4.jpg << ceramic, gold, direct copy of usa mil/orbit grade 1827423;1529453197;asciilifeform;these will prolly last for 500yr of powerup, if left alone 1827424;1529453206;mircea_popescu;for srs. looking great. 1827425;1529453214;asciilifeform;pictured is 64kbit (8kB) eprom. 1827426;1529453220;*;asciilifeform has a stash. 1827427;1529453247;asciilifeform;http://www.cpushack.com/EPROM.html << for aficionado/archaeologist strictly. 1827428;1529453268;asciilifeform;^ good photopr0n 1827429;1529453308;asciilifeform;they tend to evaporate from market quickly, gold recyclers hunt'em down. 1827430;1529453336;asciilifeform;there's often half a gram of au in these. 1827431;1529453459;asciilifeform;some time last yr , asciilifeform , for lulz, stuffed a few units from stash into reader, read. they contained apparently valid z80olade. and, when erased and written to, hold the contents 100% ok 1827432;1529453480;asciilifeform;notbad, for circa-84 or so device. 1827433;1529453558;mircea_popescu;indeed 1827434;1529453559;asciilifeform;su-made mil-logic also is pretty tolerant of overvoltage, thermal abuse, etc. 1827435;1529453590;asciilifeform;who knows, possibly will survive sunspotocalypse etc. 1827436;1529453677;Mocky;revisiting emacs: the problem for me, and the reason i quit it after ~1 year is that the cut between editor / os / keyboard was so obviously wrong. once you get comfortable with the useful stuff in there it sucks that you then can *only* use it in emacs. what, i can't have a decent editor for anything outside of emacs? most of the answers to that question are either a) fuck emacs or b) fuck everything outside of 1827437;1529453678;Mocky;emacs. which to me explains org mode and emails and browser in emacs, and i suppose the emacs+ratpoison. but in any case a lot of that useful shit dun belong stuck inside an editor 1827438;1529453704;asciilifeform;Mocky: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826943 1827439;1529453704;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 17:21 asciilifeform: in heathendom it is always either 'eh gnarly pos who needed it ever' or 'hands off my sacred animal, i'll shoot' 1827440;1529453720;mircea_popescu;Mocky like what, a browser ? 1827441;1529453722;asciilifeform;intensely polarizing item 1827442;1529453783;Mocky;like running any named command with M-x, why can't i do that in my browser, or cad program or whaterver 1827443;1529453799;Mocky;dun belong strictly in text editor only 1827444;1529453810;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1827445;1529453815;asciilifeform;Mocky: because your cad, browser, etc were written by monkeys, evidently 1827446;1529453823;asciilifeform;emacs lives on because it is a kind of oasis 1827447;1529453855;asciilifeform;( granted, oasis where the giraffes , hippos, shit in the water, but nevertheless surrounded by sand as far as eye can see and quite appealing to the initiated ) 1827448;1529453864;Mocky;but as you say asciilifeform, problem is deeper than that 1827449;1529453919;phf;Mocky: fwiw everything inside emacs is a side effect of essentially confining the lisp machine vm to the emacs process. on lisp machines proper the process was inside out: stick emacs everywhere you needed a text editor, but otherwise have separate programs. 1827450;1529453922;asciilifeform;situation quite reminiscent of bitcoin immediately prior to trb 1827451;1529453935;asciilifeform;recall, when nobody of any consequence was using anyffing but own private fork of 0.5 or whichever 1827452;1529453979;esthlos;somewhat on topic, as someone still reading logz: is eventual plan tmsr dataflow lispm revival? heathen iron has to be abandoned, no? 1827453;1529454012;asciilifeform;esthlos: current-day tmsr mostly runs on vintage iron. 1827454;1529454018;asciilifeform;prolly will for foreseeable future. 1827455;1529454022;phf;from that perspective climacs is a better approach: common lisp as a vm, mcclim as an application authoring framework, climacs as an editor widget 1827456;1529454030;asciilifeform;ergo the keeping of linux, emacs, etc on life support. 1827457;1529454067;mircea_popescu;esthlos baking hardware is a ways off. 1827458;1529454073;asciilifeform;esthlos: the one piece of iron which was catastrophically absent was rng, and this was fixed 1827459;1529454404;asciilifeform;esthlos: there were several old threads where the subject of 'what's it cost to bake cpu' is reviewed. 1827460;1529454456;asciilifeform;!#s from:asciilifeform fab 1827461;1529454456;a111;126 results for "from:asciilifeform fab", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20%20fab 1827462;1529454498;esthlos;asciilifeform: I've heard stories from someone who works the floor of an Intel plant in Oregon. seems like a very costly operation for those low-nm processors 1827463;1529454521;mircea_popescu;especially in oregon. 1827464;1529454539;asciilifeform;esthlos: the saving grace is that, outside of several very particular 'arms race' applications (e.g. miner) there is no actual reason to build the low-nm stuff 1827465;1529454557;esthlos;oh yes. they just got the freedom (!!!) to pump their own gas 1827466;1529454576;*;esthlos had the displeasure to go to school in portland 1827467;1529454579;asciilifeform;if you can build equiv of, say, dec vax ( as su , in its last yrs of life, did ) you have something like fab-sovereignty. 1827468;1529454655;esthlos;asciilifeform: that's what I suspected. most of those transistors wasted by modern kernel anyway 1827469;1529454683;asciilifeform;virtually all. 1827470;1529454740;asciilifeform;esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455187 << e.g. fab thread. 1827471;1529454740;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 02:06 asciilifeform: costs of chip fab as we know it, and of orbital launch, are even comparable. 1827472;1529454758;esthlos;thanks! 1827473;1529454860;ben_vulpes;esthlos: noshit? which school? 1827474;1529454878;esthlos;reed. still have some friends out there 1827475;1529454889;asciilifeform;esthlos: i recommend to read whole set of search output earlier, as part of your log eating , there was even an instance where asciilifeform went and got actual quotes from small fab houses 1827476;1529454937;ben_vulpes;esthlos: ah, once a classy joint i hear. since then, well, epicenter of "i don't date nazis" nonsense 1827477;1529454960;ben_vulpes;(noshit, you've never seen one) 1827478;1529454964;mircea_popescu;anyone besides beta loser "date" anyway ?! 1827479;1529454993;asciilifeform;esthlos: one of the yet-uncured ills is that you cannot actually pay to have a 1980s cpu made, at the current houses, all they offer is 'download this winblowz crapola and use our 60nm standard cells and oh here sign nda for whole thing' 1827480;1529455035;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it's all the poor dears know 1827481;1529455050;asciilifeform;there's a fab in usa where, believe or not, they still make 2um classics like cdp1802 for usg. but they dun take walkins. 1827482;1529455101;esthlos;ben_vulpes: all that needs saying: http://www.reed.edu/reed_magazine/sallyportal/posts/2016/sanctuary-college.html 1827483;1529455135;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i dunno about that, man. from the slut's angle, there's a lot of plain fucking going about. 1827484;1529455157;*;mircea_popescu 's only eyes on us campuses are female, may impose rosy glow. 1827485;1529455158;esthlos;tho they do have some stuff going for them. nuclear reactor, excellent math and sciences. but yes, intolerable student body 1827486;1529455168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://pbfcomics.com/comics/shocked/ << oblig 1827487;1529455210;mircea_popescu;lol 1827488;1529455221;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i doubt there's what knows how to use a slut on that campus 1827489;1529455239;mircea_popescu;no forks huh. 1827490;1529455271;mircea_popescu;come to think about it... i don't know of a single case of girl laying a... student. 1827491;1529455279;ben_vulpes;well hey i biked through from time to time 1827492;1529455288;ben_vulpes;once upon a time. 1827493;1529455301;mircea_popescu;jesus christ, imagine this wonder, two decades of "political corecntess" and "stop rape" and "yes means notanal" and whatever the fuck "empathy" and "really really understanding girls" and whatnot has reduced success rate to 0% 1827494;1529455314;mircea_popescu;and in the spirit of their imbecility, they think this failure justifies... MORE OF THE CAUSE OF IT 1827495;1529455325;mircea_popescu;i hadn't even realised this before. 1827496;1529455358;ben_vulpes;well yeah doods don't even say hello, much less issue compliments anymore. 1827497;1529455388;esthlos;asciilifeform: my understanding is that most unis used to have chip fab facilities much like machining facilities, and profs would regularly build iron. did something make the cost skyrocket? (maybe in logz: I will read) 1827498;1529455402;ben_vulpes;and so the girlies shack up with other girlies, the boys retire to secular onasteries, and they all think it precisely tits. 1827499;1529455432;asciilifeform;esthlos: they only ever built it in the '1 chip at a time with slave labour and oh most of'em dun actually work' sense. 1827500;1529455432;mircea_popescu;i like the arrangement. 1827501;1529455443;asciilifeform;esthlos: i visited my local one, it is of that type. 1827502;1529455536;esthlos;asciilifeform: bah, sad. 1827503;1529455855;phf;esthlos: that was never the case (though it certainly looked that way didn't it), the golden age of vlsi happened because of a darpa grant, essentially "give us your designs, we'll fab it for you free of charge" 1827504;1529456450;esthlos;phf: you know, about a year ago I wrote Alan Kay asking wtf happened to computing since the days of darpa and xerox parc. his response was "funding now sux" 1827505;1529456570;esthlos;o course, don't think he's done anything of merit since those days. 1827506;1529456591;Mocky;has anyone? 1827507;1529456598;mircea_popescu;because they permitted all sorts of patibulaires take over the show. with retards like marc shitdressen and paul graham handling the funding, usg tech went to shit. 1827508;1529456623;Mocky;even alan kay is liek, this aint what object orient programming was meant to be 1827509;1529456632;mircea_popescu;i can;t fucking believe english doesn't have an equivalent for "hangman's face" 1827510;1529456719;phf;alan kay's fixation on children though always confused me, and i think was the undoing of most of his children. like his definition of what children want or like is that of a person profoundly out of touch. 1827511;1529456728;phf;*most of his project 1827512;1529456752;Mocky;like most academics really 1827513;1529456773;mircea_popescu;i missed this definition ? 1827514;1529456818;Mocky;which? 1827515;1529456827;mircea_popescu;like his definition of what children want or like <\ 1827516;1529456875;esthlos;his model is mostly based on papert, piaget, and montessori. "The Children's Machine" etc 1827517;1529456912;mircea_popescu;o brother. 1827518;1529456918;asciilifeform;we definitely had the alan kay thread 1827519;1529456935;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't know if there's a definition, "idea" would've been a better term. in any case i've never heard anything concrete, except for the papert/piaget/montessori like esthlos said statements. 1827520;1529456971;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753348 1827521;1529456971;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 03:52 mircea_popescu: did we ever do http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=1 btw ? 1827522;1529456971;phf;but his goal with smalltalk etc. wasn't to build a machine for grownups, it was supposed to be a montessori creative exploration device 1827523;1529457001;phf;helpful pbf illustration, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T792V0_uoCw/R6T6hAIArPI/AAAAAAAAAWk/8zJzYpskpNA/s1600-h/PBF244-Preach_Skate.jpg 1827524;1529457040;mircea_popescu;phf amusingly, this is a ~type~, like the 90s academic in the pepit jacket with the square bag slung over shoulder. 1827525;1529457045;mircea_popescu;i knew plenty of such idiots. 1827526;1529457071;mircea_popescu;"oh, the children" hurr durr, always boils down to a sort of listless, old pedophile's excitement. 1827527;1529457076;mircea_popescu;"THE CONCEPTS!!!!" 1827528;1529457109;mircea_popescu;"if only children floated in a soup of abstraction there'd be no world hunger" sorta wikiwank. 1827529;1529457115;esthlos;phf: I think he wanted to build something for adults, but his work at apple disillusioned him, american adults too retarded for multiple desktops etc. so then yeah, pedo phase 1827530;1529457119;phf;they are all inspired by dead poets society, "oh captain my captain" and all that stuff 1827531;1529457130;mircea_popescu;quite possibly all choked on something they read 1827532;1529457131;Mocky;oh man dr dobbs, haven't seen that in ages. I used to get the dead tree version 1827533;1529457147;asciilifeform;at one time, in '70s, there was this crackpottery, 'programming will be like literacy, EVERYONE!11 will know it'. turns out -- troo! with the tidbit that it is ~exactly~ like actual literacy, and scarcely exists, and not 1 in 500 is physiologically capable of it 1827534;1529457149;mircea_popescu;but the shocking part is, they have no formal diffusion, they're all individual/solitary and yet very uniformly minded. 1827535;1529457241;mircea_popescu;often they band together and try to opress young republicans with "programs for exclelence" batshit insane nonsense along the veins of "this kid learned to read at 3 months old!" 1827536;1529457263;mircea_popescu;they're usually very excited about "brain percentages" and usually mozart figures in the verbiage. 1827537;1529457284;phf;esthlos: i don't think that's the case, squeak was his main apple project, but even going before than dynabook was already in the works at parc 1827538;1529457309;esthlos;phf: oh yes, the dynabook, you're right 1827539;1529457321;phf;https://www.mprove.de/diplom/gui/Kay72a.pdf 1827540;1529457354;asciilifeform;phf: picture if it had been buildable then. then alankay could be sad and go to the bottle 40 yrs earlier, because 'this is not what i wanted, ended up ipad' 1827541;1529457395;asciilifeform;believe or not, this was a nearly exact replay of almost identical nonsense surrounding introduction of tv 1827542;1529457408;esthlos;neal stephenson gave a pretty lulzy rendition of the dynabook in the diamond age. poor kid gets ahold of the republican technology, goes on to rule the world 1827543;1529457412;asciilifeform;'it will be greatest education device!' 'people can watch great theatre!' 1827544;1529457426;mircea_popescu;esthlos ruling the world is not a solitary endeavour. 1827545;1529457460;asciilifeform;esthlos: fwiw i read it, pretty lulzy 'magic sword' trope. 1827546;1529457522;*;esthlos doesn't know the first thing about ruling 1827547;1529457523;mircea_popescu;the old gigas ring stories better. 1827548;1529457533;mircea_popescu;"if i had a ring whereby i'd fuck women by myself..." 1827549;1529457543;asciilifeform;the old midas touch story, better still. 1827550;1529457544;Mocky;the view that ambient human brain damage level is strictly curable by 'education' 1827551;1529457549;mircea_popescu;"you already have it. touch your thumb to your index" 1827552;1529457584;asciilifeform;lol 1827553;1529457662;esthlos;btw asciilifeform: saw you're a fan of greg egan. ever read permutation city? 1827554;1529457671;asciilifeform;http://letstalkstory.com/readme/The%20Diamond%20Age.pdf >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8IcZb/?raw=true << 313337 w4r3z 1827555;1529457675;asciilifeform;esthlos: sure 1827556;1529457688;asciilifeform;esthlos: iirc it was among his last readable items 1827557;1529457702;asciilifeform;after he switched to oddball 'posthumans' became snoar 1827558;1529457726;Mocky;kind of a weird book imo, permutation city 1827559;1529457743;mircea_popescu;esthlos Mocky either of you ever read the luminous rewrite ? 1827560;1529457766;Mocky;the rewrite but not the original! 1827561;1529457785;mircea_popescu;lol ok. 1827562;1529457833;phf;i've accidentally read greg egan's quarantine, followed by schild's ladder, i take it once you read one of his novels you've read all of them, unless i choose a particularly similar narratives 1827563;1529457895;esthlos;any thoughts on the "consciousness jumping noncontinuously from electron to electron" speil? in the sense that, it seems dumb, but kinda sexy too 1827564;1529457974;esthlos;mircea_popescu: I have not. gotta add it to the list 1827565;1529458016;mircea_popescu;spiel. 1827566;1529458110;mircea_popescu;esthlos i dunno what it means tho. how do you mean, consciousness jumping ? 1827567;1529458340;phf;i think it's like transhumanist porn, the idea that consciousness will preserve its form on whatever substrate, so with some Quantum Physics we can have "humans" operating at subatomic levels by being there. 1827568;1529458388;Mocky;if you could upload your consiousness to a pc, would you notice when when your process got swapped out. and if no, how long a pause could you tolerate 1827569;1529458390;esthlos;my vague understanding is: if consciousness can exist "in" a computer, then what happens when the cpu states are reorganized arbitrarily, or distributed spatially? egan supposes that conscious entity can't detect the effect. 1827570;1529458453;esthlos;but then what _is_ the cpu state but an arrangement of electrons? and why can't I say "these electrons on my butt are cpu state 53, those on alpha centauri are cpu state 54..." 1827571;1529458547;asciilifeform;esthlos: d00d was sorta obsessed with this notion. he had another, earlier short story where mob boss is walking a schmuck into the forest to be shot, and tells him this yarn, and offers him a magic pill that will make it sink into his head, and ends up taking it himself, and eating own pistol 1827572;1529458647;asciilifeform;esthlos: i do not know whether egan knows this, but buncha doped californirasts took his 'software souls' thing and turned it into a religion, of sorts 1827573;1529458648;mircea_popescu;esthlos consciousness can't exist "in" a computer. 1827574;1529458652;asciilifeform;!#s lesswrong 1827575;1529458652;a111;91 results for "lesswrong", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lesswrong 1827576;1529458654;asciilifeform;^ them 1827577;1529458657;mircea_popescu;not anymore than remanence of vision can exist "in" a camera. 1827578;1529458673;mircea_popescu;subjective psychological phenomena are just that -- subjective. 1827579;1529458700;asciilifeform;it's come to where asciilifeform reads 'consciousness' and 'reaches for pistol' 1827580;1529458710;mircea_popescu;tulpa few steps behind, eh ? 1827581;1529458711;asciilifeform;pretty much guarantee of dead-end snore 1827582;1529458713;asciilifeform;aaha 1827583;1529458726;esthlos;rofl 1827584;1529458744;asciilifeform;it's a phlogiston. 1827585;1529458749;phf;i think the causation is backwards, egan chooses substrate, assumes consciousness can exist on that substrate, then explores properties of substrate. doesn't say anything interesting about consciousness, but exploration of substrate. since naive mechanistic cellular machine interpretations are in vogue, that's the substrate that egan works with. 1827586;1529458759;esthlos;so THAT's what those less wrong folks are jerking off to 1827587;1529458806;phf;yeah, a computer program will produce the same result whether it runs on slow cpu or fast cpu. fascinating read. 1827588;1529458821;esthlos;to be fair to egan, the actual supposition is not that consciousness exists "in" computer, but that it has a mathematical representation. not that it affects mircea_popescu 's point 1827589;1529458874;mircea_popescu;wank is wank is wank. what do you mean "mathematical representation" ? ie, "depersonalization" ? how exactly is the number 3 going to be "personal" 1827590;1529458909;mircea_popescu;but yes, the universal, uniyelding, perpetual and ubiquitous problem of "people" who were born even though god didn't have souls to supply the meat with is this : life's too heavy a burden. 1827591;1529458915;mircea_popescu;if only they somehow could not be... 1827592;1529459144;asciilifeform;the interesting twist is, even on comparatively deadly simple artificial comp, with 0 pretenses to 'conscious' anyffing, the notion that the soft is fully separable from the iron substrate, is poppycock. 1827593;1529459186;asciilifeform;( this is sorta the leitmotif of asciilifeform's crackpottery . ) 1827594;1529459208;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1827595;1529462022;ben_vulpes;the montesorri stuff makes me laugh. oh, you mean the little learning machine thrives on new and varied challenges? you don't fucking say 1827596;1529462167;phf;montresori education, do you fucking homework, or we bury you fucking alive 1827597;1529462215;ben_vulpes;i have a stack of blank index cards upon which i write or draw whatever thing i feel like training the kid on at any given moment. "memory" games with shapes and letters and numbers, the alphabet and numbers, just starting in on word shapes. beyond that, no blinkenlichten, no plastics, a commitment to correcting diction and grammar all day and i'm pretty sure one's into diminishing returns after that 1827598;1529462218;ben_vulpes;phf: lol 1827599;1529462241;ben_vulpes;for god's sake, mr f! 1827600;1529462338;ben_vulpes;"brio" actually ships battery-powered "engines", these days, with wheels that resist turning except when driven by batteries, if you can imagine. 1827601;1529462365;ben_vulpes;the fuck kind of kid wants to watch a train roll about at 1 cm/min 1827602;1529462388;ben_vulpes;("the fuck kind of child abuser makes these toys, you mean") 1827603;1529462505;phf;what's brio? 1827604;1529462650;ben_vulpes;historically wood and steel train toys 1827605;1529462666;ben_vulpes;these days battery-operated chinesium 1827606;1529462800;phf;traditionally in ru we had https://www.fleischmann.de/en/productsearch/0-0-0-0-0-0-0-001001-0/products.html which was powered from outlet and down converted. trains would go, when place on conductive tracks and you controlled the speed with a potentiometer, so there's some fucking montesori going on 1827607;1529462940;phf;i guess this was also popular in u.s., because i'd see it in movies and such, and presumably original mit hackers were model train fans, but i take it it's not really a 80s-90s kids thing.. 1827608;1529462998;*;trinque had a proper brio set as a kid 1827609;1529463131;ben_vulpes;phf: i had a set quite like that as well, but never got into it. "so, it goes around? and if you go too fast, it pops off the track?" brio also more for the 2-5 set 1827610;1529463268;asciilifeform;oh hey i had phf 's train. aaand the... abusable.. transformer, of course 1827611;1529463401;phf;ben_vulpes: well, you need a nice length of tracks, nor do you need to make it a circle (just close the circuit by other means). it can figure nicely in any kind of gameplay, but honestly it gave me my first experiential understanding of electricity 1827612;1529463473;phf;but yeah, there was a shortage of age appropriate games in russia. parents would keep you from breaking something by basically going "if you break it, i'll give you away to mr. policeman" and such. 1827613;1529463513;ben_vulpes;i eventually learned that unless i can feel the gs in the seat of my pants i have trouble giving much of a fuck 1827614;1529463583;phf;well shit buy him a squirrel suit then i dunno 1827615;1529463629;*;phf takes his model trains and walks away to play by himself 1827616;1529463692;ben_vulpes;and this is why i still don't have many male friends "we're going to go fly quadcopters!" "...why don't we drive out to the hangar and take the plane out instead?" 1827617;1529463940;asciilifeform;oh hey ben_vulpes flies nao ? 1827618;1529463996;ben_vulpes;any goon can get a powered bird to do simple things 1827619;1529464014;ben_vulpes;it is the gliders that are actually hard. 1827620;1529464084;ben_vulpes;"flies" is a bit strong; i like big kinetic-energy toys and have friends with them. 1827621;1529464129;ben_vulpes;fun inversely proportional to lethality and all that 1827622;1529464197;mircea_popescu;phf i had one of those too. 1827623;1529464212;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aa, so you get flown, lol 1827624;1529464217;mircea_popescu;2 to 12 v both ways converter, etc 1827625;1529464232;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: don't tell the inca but i fly 1827626;1529464248;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes generally around the age of 10-12 or so discover it can be applied to soft parts also. 1827627;1529464261;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes! 1827628;1529464268;mircea_popescu;but it came with model houses, trees, bridges, multiple switches etc. 1827629;1529464286;mircea_popescu;even something as simple as a figure 8 with 2 engines of diff powers was fun to watch 1827630;1529464329;asciilifeform;was fun also to make 'hill' and 'discover' conservation of energy etc 1827631;1529464342;mircea_popescu;i didn't have incline ramps in mine. but yes, these existed 1827632;1529464363;mircea_popescu;anyway, beautiful handpainted railcars, too, had a double beer barrel thingee, all sorts. 1827633;1529464379;asciilifeform;aha i think we had same item 1827634;1529464407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the plastic pine trees, round things go on a stick ? 1827635;1529464418;asciilifeform;yes indeed 1827636;1529464427;mircea_popescu;yeah sounds like same. though i thought mine was from teh ddr. 1827637;1529464441;asciilifeform;mine was definitely from ddr 1827638;1529464451;asciilifeform;mega-toy 1827639;1529464463;mircea_popescu;let's see how far this goes. square, olive green converter box, with a white selector, sorta angular shape ? 1827640;1529464500;mircea_popescu;selector sat on an inclined cutout in the box, and the voltage was represented by squarish indentations on either side, increasing in size ? 1827641;1529464644;mircea_popescu;https://wildwoodantiquemalls.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1524675776960UTJ18NSXPF8TK4Q2VLKA.jpg <<< ohohoh! 1827642;1529464782;phf;huh i don't remember that style at all. looks like metal too, the ones that i had were plastic, kind of like https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/L350032-LN_3314489_Qty1_1.jpg 1827643;1529464847;phf;i think maybe even same GDR brand "liliput" 1827644;1529464847;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.maerklin.de/en/products/z-scale/locomotives/ << check this out a) apparently it was maerklin ; b) still available. 1827645;1529464850;mircea_popescu;expensive as shit still. 1827646;1529464874;phf;mircea_popescu: but no check out liliput, https://www.modellbahnwelt24.de/Liliput-3 1827647;1529464887;*;mircea_popescu checks 1827648;1529464936;mircea_popescu;phf this is confusing, because the engines look right but the cars do not. 1827649;1529464976;mircea_popescu;nah, definitely not it, wrong rail system. this seems flexible ? https://www.modellbahnwelt24.de/media/image/product/46180/md/li-pfp-h0-01_liliput-proses-pfp-h0-01-flexgleishalter-fuer-h0-00.jpg 1827650;1529464992;phf;i found märklin first when searching, but it's not gdr 1827651;1529465008;mircea_popescu;mine were definitely rigid. pre-curved elements. had to mix and match, i had a ballot of them 1827652;1529465029;phf;yeah, i'm pretty sure they've not even made flexible ones until quite recently 1827653;1529465048;mircea_popescu;ah 1827654;1529465053;mircea_popescu;hm. 1827655;1529465065;phf;but if i had to guess from picture there's two straights at the end and three curves in the middle 1827656;1529465087;phf;or two rather 1827657;1529465087;mircea_popescu;i recall TT branding, but that's just generic size indication 1827658;1529465184;mircea_popescu;phf https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DnUWFFS_zBs/maxresdefault.jpg << this looks very right re rails. which is why i thought marklin 1827659;1529465231;mircea_popescu;in fact all of their track shots look exactly like it 1827660;1529465242;mircea_popescu;https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vCVSFfWfOEo/maxresdefault.jpg etc 1827661;1529465259;phf;oh lol apparently they made them in ussr also http://scaletrainsclub.com/portal/our-library/2008-05-07-13-48-02/117-2008-07-23-17-21-55 1827662;1529465296;phf;http://scaletrainsclub.com/portal/images/portal_files/vasily/istoriya_proizvodstva/ov_02.jpg 1827663;1529465327;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/M%C3%A4rklin_2881_-_KPEV_S10_1008.jpg/800px-M%C3%A4rklin_2881_-_KPEV_S10_1008.jpg << definitely ; had this exact item. 1827664;1529465418;phf;honestly half of the ones i saw, from a totally different range of companies, look familiar, but i suspect that at least moscovites got the ussr version, probably something like this http://scaletrainsclub.com/portal/images/portal_files/vasily/istoriya_proizvodstva/ov_05.jpg 1827665;1529465455;mircea_popescu;it's the details though, like say the conical buffer plate supports, or the electrified wheel and so on 1827666;1529465591;mircea_popescu;phf funny, rails linked from there look 100% like "patriotic knockoff rails" 1827667;1529465614;phf;hmm true, also the soviets probably wouldn't make those german style train stations 1827668;1529465646;phf;you don't like rail? rail take you place no problem 1827669;1529465646;mircea_popescu;right ? all whitewash with brick corners and stuff 1827670;1529465650;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1827671;1529465667;mircea_popescu;honestly i like rail just fine, but we were for some reason discussing provenance. 1827672;1529465706;mod6;im not done catching up on this solid log yet; but if someone wants to make some money, can always start sellin for pizarro! 1827673;1529465710;mod6;come on now 1827674;1529465760;mircea_popescu;you only saw plain matter solid log ; as self-collapse accelerates it becomes neutrino degenerate matter solid log. 1827675;1529465784;mod6;i like the emacs/x11 thread 1827676;1529465827;mircea_popescu;ah then you're almost there. 1827677;1529470884;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/so-im-having-a-cup-of-coffee/ << Trilema - So I'm having a cup of coffee... 1827678;1529471175;mod6;lol 1827679;1529471183;mod6;srsly, folks: SPECIAL PRICES! 1827680;1529471186;mircea_popescu;>D 1827681;1529472632;mircea_popescu;aaand in today's lulzies, https://www.wattpad.com/392099770-deep-web-the-hidden-part-of-internet-lolita-slave 1827682;1529472643;mircea_popescu;"YOU ARE READING Deep Web (The HIDDEN PART OF INTERNET)" 1827683;1529476628;hanbot;ahahaha, it had me at nabokob 1827684;1529476700;mircea_popescu;(pedophilia) 1827685;1529480282;lobbes;my latest blog post re: getting rockchip fully LAMPed >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/getting-php56-and-mysql-to-play-nice-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/ 1827686;1529480308;lobbes;speaking of, trinque could I get http://blog.lobbesblog.com/feed/ added to blogroll? 1827687;1529494639;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826916, I don't use emacs. I've tried it on an off and after reading the logs I'm sure I do not want to get "locked in" to it. 1827688;1529494639;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: what's actually the usercount ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? jurov ? 1827689;1529494797;ave1;I'm currently on vim again with a lot of work done on in bash. 1827690;1529494987;ave1;I used to program in Smalltalk for work, was a lot of fun. 1827691;1529502774;asciilifeform;potentially interesting, to n00bz, old emacs-decay thread : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455017 1827692;1529502774;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 00:36 asciilifeform: phf: the emacs tumour (see logz, the 'flycheck' thread) is what really blew my mind 1827693;1529507926;asciilifeform;!!up FundsAreSafuh 1827694;1529507927;deedbot;FundsAreSafuh voiced for 30 minutes. 1827695;1529507958;asciilifeform;FundsAreSafuh: hello ? 1827696;1529507976;FundsAreSafuh;hello 1827697;1529507988;asciilifeform;FundsAreSafuh: who are you, and what brings you to #trilema ? 1827698;1529508025;FundsAreSafuh;the pursuit of knowledge, and an adoration for the great Mircea Popescu 1827699;1529508067;asciilifeform;FundsAreSafuh: can i presume you read the logs ? 1827700;1529508141;FundsAreSafuh;I used to lurk here quite often back in the 2014-2015 days, back then I used to be mentioned on the channel for some of my BitcoinTalk antics 1827701;1529508152;FundsAreSafuh;I'm back for old times sake 1827702;1529508177;asciilifeform;FundsAreSafuh: you won't win much from plain lurking, i recommend to read the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/ 1827703;1529508188;asciilifeform;FundsAreSafuh: do also make use of the search box. 1827704;1529508230;FundsAreSafuh;thank you 1827705;1529508263;asciilifeform;not having been a reader of tardstalk, asciilifeform does not know who is FundsAreSafuh . care to introduce yourself ? 1827706;1529508288;asciilifeform;e.g. 'i am a chimney sweep from calcutta, and i break nsa block ciphers in spare time' , format. 1827707;1529508468;FundsAreSafuh;I made a small fortune trading Friedcat's ASICMINER shares on GLBSE, before Nefario disappeared. Now I'm a crypto nomad spending time between NYC and the Republic of Panama 1827708;1529508527;asciilifeform;FundsAreSafuh: lol, so accomplice of famous bamboozler, living off spoils ?? 1827709;1529508608;FundsAreSafuh;aye, cap'n 1827710;1529508646;asciilifeform;gotta admit, FundsAreSafuh , i'm quite curious re what you are hoping to find here. 1827711;1529508656;asciilifeform;easy chump pickings ? that's three doors down 1827712;1529508818;FundsAreSafuh;I guess nostalgia brought me back, and the realization that things are never going to be the same. I'm just a former MPOE holder come back to join the ol' gang 1827713;1529508931;asciilifeform;FundsAreSafuh: which things ? 1827714;1529509309;FundsAreSafuh;The thrill of buying 60 BTC, and spending it all on cannabis. The exhilaration of learning PGP for the first time. The realization that FeedZeBirds was a scam. 1827715;1529509506;diana_coman;FundsAreSafuh, how do you plan to "join" exactly? 1827716;1529509569;diana_coman;(for the innocent reader, see point #2 in http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/#selection-127.0-127.77) 1827717;1529509571;FundsAreSafuh;joining is for folks who don't belong 1827718;1529509603;diana_coman;that doesn't make any sense 1827719;1529509705;diana_coman;FundsAreSafuh, what do you spend your time on? 1827720;1529509791;diana_coman;!!up FundsAreSafuh 1827721;1529509792;deedbot;FundsAreSafuh voiced for 30 minutes. 1827722;1529511306;mircea_popescu;in other-same lulz, usg amping up the "upgrading" of "secure" http sites off the interwebs. 1827723;1529511488;asciilifeform;hm? 1827724;1529512040;mircea_popescu;you know, "upgrade tls". various "cloud providers" "rolling out" "support" 1827725;1529512072;asciilifeform;aaa 1827726;1529513149;mircea_popescu;in other news, diana_coman reports that we've actually managed moving the actual server on a .gpr process ; there's some remaining problems with linking bits, but seem perhaps resolvable. 1827727;1529513204;mircea_popescu;which brings us to : ben_vulpes would pizarro be amenable to bring up the spare sometime so she makes it a full gnat musl thing, test whether we can move everything there, and either move it (so basically, moving servers) or else backing down (so basically i guess either renting both for a while or powerting back down the spare) ? 1827728;1529513323;ben_vulpes;sounds reasonable, let me check notes and see if there's any reason not to 1827729;1529513583;asciilifeform;s.mg spare ? should be ready to roll, disks in, etc. possibly will need FGation. 1827730;1529513629;asciilifeform;i delivered also its raid card, it is currently in its crate, in the bilge. 1827731;1529513784;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, was the initial test of adatronic serv on rockchip ? how did it perform ? 1827732;1529513816;diana_coman;asciilifeform, no, not on rockchip, on s.mg server but basically just setting for the session the $PATH to point to musl gnat 1827733;1529513820;asciilifeform;aa 1827734;1529513829;mircea_popescu;dun fit so well on rockchip. 1827735;1529513842;diana_coman;and I'm not that keen on testing on yet another arch basically 1827736;1529513848;mircea_popescu;also. 1827737;1529513848;asciilifeform;ram-heavy, isnit. 1827738;1529513876;mircea_popescu;you know, engineering, that thing where you try to change the smallest count of things per step 1827739;1529513880;asciilifeform;aha 1827740;1529513883;diana_coman;^^^^^ 1827741;1529513907;mircea_popescu;the above + "keep clear and reproducible notes of all steps" is pretty much 100% the profession. 1827742;1529514021;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plox to gpggram BingoBoingo re necessary qty of FGs, the raid geometry to use ( 5? 10? ) , necessary # of nic connections, he will bring up the box. 1827743;1529514038;diana_coman;asciilifeform, same as s.mg server really if possible 1827744;1529514067;asciilifeform;iirc that one has raid10 with 1 hot spare. 1827745;1529514071;diana_coman;yes 1827746;1529514105;asciilifeform;aite 1827747;1529514143;asciilifeform;diana_coman: will you be installing cuntoo ? 1827748;1529514184;diana_coman;asciilifeform, uhm, not at this stage; can haz precisely dulap-whatevers setup s.mg came with? 1827749;1529514197;asciilifeform;sure 1827750;1529514205;diana_coman;great, thanks 1827751;1529514206;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to connect ipkvm device also then 1827752;1529514232;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and the usb boot stick. 1827753;1529514252;mircea_popescu;none of this is an emergency, still some issues to fix as i said. 1827754;1529514300;asciilifeform;it will be getting the asciilifeform-baked trad gentoo, from same tar.gz as dulap and orig s.mg. 1827755;1529514317;diana_coman;sounds good 1827756;1529514453;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, diana_coman which linking issues ? 1827757;1529514475;asciilifeform;( eulora-particular ? or issue with ave1's gnat..? ) 1827758;1529514488;diana_coman;asciilifeform, eulora-particular really 1827759;1529514500;asciilifeform;aa ok 1827760;1529514518;diana_coman;the server is a ball of fuck that was trimmed from earth-size to country-size, but still 1827761;1529514976;asciilifeform;re linkers, musl lib can only be linked with other musl libs, but prolly diana_coman already knew this. 1827762;1529515001;asciilifeform;( there may be a pill to work around this, but i do not currently know it ) 1827763;1529515017;diana_coman;asciilifeform, "musl libs" meaning libs built with musl, right? that's my current understanding 1827764;1529515030;asciilifeform;right 1827765;1529515031;diana_coman;i.e. on a musl system I can rebuild everything or not? 1827766;1529515048;diana_coman;or do you mean I have to have cuntoo to be able to try this? 1827767;1529515081;asciilifeform;diana_coman: can, with certain known exceptions ( emacs, mainly , per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827118 thrd ) 1827768;1529515081;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 18:08 phf: asciilifeform: well, it's been ported, but i've no idea how, last time i looked at it was pre-rework and i couldn't figure it out. trinque just said that the musl version of emacs he has is 24.5, so presumably that works 1827769;1529515109;diana_coman;I guess I'll find out by trying it at any rate 1827770;1529515186;asciilifeform;just about errything that doesn't abuse some glibc-specific knob, runs 100% under muslism ( e.g. trb, which was the first proggy i personally built for musl, back in the http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html days ) 1827771;1529515210;asciilifeform;( well, technically 2nd, gcc was 1st ) 1827772;1529515227;diana_coman;so there is a chance it'll work; if not, at least I'll know what part is even more idiotic than the rest 1827773;1529515246;asciilifeform;chances are that it'll work without coad changes. 1827774;1529515387;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you don't need cuntoo to build musl executables, ave1's gnat does this on an ~arbitrary linux. ( via similar method as the 2015 'rotor' item ) 1827775;1529515426;diana_coman;aha, that was my understanding so that's good then 1827776;1529515426;asciilifeform;( per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820427 test and after ) 1827777;1529515426;a111;Logged on 2018-06-03 18:36 asciilifeform: ch10 ffa builds a (stripped) 320kB elf 1827778;1529515437;asciilifeform;i do not presently have a cuntoo box 1827779;1529515535;asciilifeform;a musl-gnat is first built, using a conventional gnat; this is then installed in user homedir, placed in path, and becomes the active gnat; with which then can build musltronic proggies. 1827780;1529515547;asciilifeform;which then run on , theoretically, any linux of compatible cpu. 1827781;1529515593;diana_coman;asciilifeform, aha, that's pretty much the recipe I'll try to follow 1827782;1529515593;asciilifeform;i tested his latest builder on x64 and arm64, both perform like champs. 1827783;1529515637;asciilifeform;( the 1 item which did not work, is the building of x64 gnat ~on~ arm64 gnat, iirc he went to fix this and not yet come back ) 1827784;1529515670;diana_coman;right; I can confirm I tried that on my rockchip too with same results as you had already reported 1827785;1529515713;asciilifeform;what i'd like to end up with, is to make ave1's gnat the default gcc in my gentoos ( and , in time, in cuntoo ) 1827786;1529515731;asciilifeform;but for this it will have to work in all possible combos of 'who-whom' 1827787;1529515933;asciilifeform;when ave1 comes back with patch for cross-x64 , it will be time to genesis the thing 1827788;1529515947;asciilifeform;and then can start the process of auditing, cleansing. 1827789;1529516326;BingoBoingo; diana_coman: plox to gpggram BingoBoingo re necessary qty of FGs, the raid geometry to use ( 5? 10? ) , necessary # of nic connections, he will bring up the box. << The server needs drives to set up a raid 1827790;1529516378;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to make inventory of drives 1827791;1529516383;asciilifeform;( or link to existing ) 1827792;1529516474;asciilifeform;oh grr loox from my notes, to be the case that only the primary s.mg box was provisioned with disk 1827793;1529516506;ave1;asciilifeform, I did get it to cross compile on aarch64 too, it was a question of more memory. Do you still have an error log? Also the order has to be correct in the build-ada.sh. Like so: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820499 1827794;1529516506;a111;Logged on 2018-06-04 04:26 ave1: asciilifeform, also what is in the build-ada.sh? the last line on aarch64 should read: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada aarch64 x86_64 1827795;1529516508;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to confirm this by physically looking at the iron 1827796;1529516547;asciilifeform;ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820460 >> https://archive.li/mFPtM << not a memory problem 1827797;1529516547;a111;Logged on 2018-06-03 22:27 asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J7Aey/?raw=true << amd64 gnat dun build on arm64. 1827798;1529516550;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I looked at the iron on my way back to the terminal after Uruguay's disappointing 1-0 victory 1827799;1529516599;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to visit ye olde iron shoppe then, and obtain quote for 5 1tb ssd, if available, or output re what is available, if these are not 1827800;1529516603;ave1;Yes, that one looked like a build / host / target def problem. Which usually goes back to the build-tarballs line. 1827801;1529516622;BingoBoingo;I can pull the chassis out of the cabinet and see if they drives are hiding in there somewhere other than the drive bays. 1827802;1529516661;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will do. 1827803;1529516705;ave1;I.E. I could reprocude this error by first compiling aarch64 with ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada aarch64 and then running the script with making that line: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada x86_64 1827804;1529516706;ave1;with -> while 1827805;1529516710;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plox to correct the above disk spec if necessary 1827806;1529516726;ben_vulpes;ah; that's right. box bought from s.nsa was chassis-only 1827807;1529516739;ben_vulpes;chassis + ram 1827808;1529516753;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: correct, and ben_vulpes , trinque , lobbes ( iirc ) send in disks , which then went into it 1827809;1529516758;asciilifeform;*sent 1827810;1529516793;trinque;mhm 1827811;1529516823;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu if you need this box asap, it is possible to pull the hot spare from primary and make a single-disked staging box out of the spare. 1827812;1529516839;ben_vulpes;yup. 1827813;1529516846;BingoBoingo;http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=disks&c=pizarro 1827814;1529516889;asciilifeform;iirc there is also a cold spare ssd belonging to mod6 , can work something out with him. 1827815;1529516910;asciilifeform;hey ben_vulpes do we have a Troo Full Inventory posted somewhere ? 1827816;1529516944;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: sent out an inventory recently, let me hand that over to ya 1827817;1529516946;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I sent a signed and encrypted cabinet inventory report, can repaste 1827818;1529516956;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to repaste 1827819;1529516970;asciilifeform;(or link) 1827820;1529517042;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/UHDbz 1827821;1529517070;asciilifeform;disk shortage is serious problem imho, these will have to be an absolute priority item for next airdrop. the tricky bit is that the only reliable way to transport'em, without triggering the ruinous tax, is inside machines. 1827822;1529517248;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is very much worth looking into speaking with iron shoppe d00d and working out something re disks. may prove to be cheaper. 1827823;1529517275;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: put your sp study to use in the battlefield. 1827824;1529517284;BingoBoingo;The inventory report again http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/no9RH/?raw=true 1827825;1529517323;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo 1827826;1529517326;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will speak to people. 1827827;1529517351;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the samsung 850 in the bilge, confirmed is mod6 's ? 1827828;1529517363;asciilifeform;mod6: ^ plox to confirm 1827829;1529517390;asciilifeform;there is a 860 in bilge, marked 'tbf' 1827830;1529517426;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at your earliest chance, plox to install the 3ware raid and its cabling marked 'smg', in the respective machine. 1827831;1529517457;ben_vulpes;yeah, that's the foundation's drive 1827832;1529517490;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but whose is the 850 ? 1827833;1529517506;trinque;I have the 1tb 860 evo 1827834;1529517508;asciilifeform;( in the fyootoor, folx, plz label your iron ! ) 1827835;1529517510;trinque;as spare 1827836;1529517513;asciilifeform;ok confirmed, trinque's 1827837;1529517522;trinque;and never touched my hands, so no label 1827838;1529517535;trinque;the 6tb WD is also mine 1827839;1529517557;asciilifeform;i'ma ask that anyffing sent to asciilifeform for transport, be either marked (if sent from human hands) or serial # gpggrammed to asciilifeform , so he can mark it. 1827840;1529517557;BingoBoingo; the 6tb WD is also mine << That was marked 1827841;1529517578;asciilifeform;( if posted from vendor direct ) 1827842;1529517584;trinque;aye aye 1827843;1529517598;*;BingoBoingo will dive and confirm markings 1827844;1529517606;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you got it 1827845;1529517614;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ApA3A/?raw=true 1827846;1529517655;diana_coman;asciilifeform, BingoBoingo it is NOT asap, no; take your time, no hurry 1827847;1529517688;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ApA3A/?raw=true << Correct 1827848;1529517704;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: ty 1827849;1529517739;diana_coman;to reiterate: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827753 1827850;1529517739;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 17:04 mircea_popescu: none of this is an emergency, still some issues to fix as i said. 1827851;1529517860;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty 1827852;1529518030;ben_vulpes;!!v 679E24D9E94B4273ABD3A76D7E9D4CE3099B442C14D4A41635AABFA733F662C0 1827853;1529518036;deedbot;ben_vulpes paid jurov invoice 1 1827854;1529518046;asciilifeform;even so, better to start the train going, so disks etc can be 'yes!! we have disks!' if suddenly a primary box goes up in smoke, rather than 'oh hmm where do we get some disks'. 1827855;1529518587;asciilifeform;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-20#383922 << of interest to potentially all pizarro customers ; updated disk cost ( via the method used to deliver BingoBoingo the cable in earlier experiment ) 1827856;1529518588;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-06-20 17:59 asciilifeform: breaking noose : shitazon gives quote of 314.21 ( 237.99 disk ; 14.51 postage; 61.71 orc bakshish ) 1827857;1529518625;asciilifeform;i.e. any # of ssd can be in BingoBoingo's hands in about 6 wks, via this 'worst' method. 1827858;1529518651;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What about those retarded "max X per customer" Amazon limits? 1827859;1529518700;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: loox like 5 per crate 1827860;1529518704;asciilifeform;is the tardlimit 1827861;1529518747;asciilifeform;i just now tried the quote , it's a linear equation 1827862;1529518756;asciilifeform;so still 60 of bakshish per . 1827863;1529518782;asciilifeform;i.e. ~1500 to buy, transport, ransom, 5 units. 1827864;1529518822;asciilifeform;observe that the cost of the disk itself has fallen by ~100bux since april; seems like the ssd famine may be ending 1827865;1529519673;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the s.mg spare is inventory # 26 ( w/ redundant ps ) 1827866;1529519703;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yeah, that's in the notes for the next signed inventory report 1827867;1529519720;asciilifeform;hey ben_vulpes , didja ever send the stockpile of FG usb-ttl connectors, over to BingoBoingostan ? 1827868;1529519755;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you haven't , pleeeez do 1827869;1529519760;asciilifeform;they belong ~there~ 1827870;1529519800;asciilifeform;afaik he currently has ~just enuff~ to connect ~one~ pair. 1827871;1529519980;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: all righty 1827872;1529519995;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: plox to gpggram to BingoBoingo , tracking # etc, when it has sailed 1827873;1529520003;asciilifeform;so he can work the necessary magicks 1827874;1529520009;ben_vulpes;will do 1827875;1529520046;asciilifeform;( let's imagine, say, the eulora folx suddenly want to connect 6 FG's. currently cannot do ) 1827876;1529520478;BingoBoingo; ben_vulpes: plox to gpggram to BingoBoingo , tracking # etc, when it has sailed << Between these and the disks... mod6 interested in a trip? 1827877;1529521265;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827839 << roger that. 1827878;1529521265;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 17:59 asciilifeform: i'ma ask that anyffing sent to asciilifeform for transport, be either marked (if sent from human hands) or serial # gpggrammed to asciilifeform , so he can mark it. 1827879;1529523647;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: ^ plox to confirm << >> <+asciilifeform> there is a 860 in bilge, marked 'tbf' << sounds like TBF has a spare 860 then. makes sense. 1827880;1529525204;mod6;<+diana_coman> asciilifeform, BingoBoingo it is NOT asap, no; take your time, no hurry << barring a straight out emergency, I can't get away at the moment. About a month ago, I was trying to plan a trip around end of July; but now, that's locked out. 1827881;1529525240;mod6;Again, less complete emergency. Let's see if we can source whatever parts are needed at 'ye ole iron shop', or other method, before I think about dropping everything. 1827882;1529525249;mod6;*unless 1827883;1529526149;mod6;diana_coman: If not ASAP, that helps, any available guidence on your time horizon for this to be racked & working is helpful. 1827884;1529526253;mircea_popescu;lol this created some excitement. 1827885;1529526259;mircea_popescu;mod6 if it's by july it'll be fine. 1827886;1529526446;mod6;So, we need something stood up by July 1st-ish. 1827887;1529526506;mircea_popescu;ideally. 1827888;1529526521;mod6;Ok thanks for the time-frame there. 1827889;1529526803;ben_vulpes;diana_coman: why does it need to be wholly separate machine? i think something might have flown over my head 1827890;1529526833;mircea_popescu;so it's a fully ada/musl machine. 1827891;1529526847;asciilifeform;full musl implies cuntoo, hence asciilifeform's initial confusion 1827892;1529526948;mircea_popescu;wasn't the idea that we build it with itself and so on ? 1827893;1529527003;asciilifeform;right, ave1 produced a working self-builder gnat. nobody's bolted it into a gentoo in such a way that ~everything~ gets built with it, of yet. ( this as i understand is in the cuntoo conveyor ) 1827894;1529527030;mircea_popescu;and so it is here : if gets away without cuntoo, will try, if not, with. 1827895;1529527108;asciilifeform;earlier diana_coman requested conventional gentoo. what'll it be ? 1827896;1529527176;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing this continues once she wakes. 1827897;1529527251;asciilifeform;aite. 1827898;1529528383;asciilifeform;( btw , in case it wasn't clear, static-musltronic-gcc outputs run on conventional ~and~ musltronic linux ) 1827899;1529528404;asciilifeform;just like in earlier rotor-trb. 1827900;1529528424;asciilifeform;in principle they'll execute anywhere with 2.6+ kernel abi. 1827901;1529530787;mircea_popescu;aaand in other lulz, it was my very good pleasure to see that shithead morgan freeman besieged by the idiocy come to roost that he dedicated so much of his life to helping spawn. 1827902;1529530808;mircea_popescu;if he gets thrown in jail by the exact fucktards he lied and stole for, i might even go visit, to point and laugh. 1827903;1529530858;mircea_popescu;!#s "comunismu" "ajuta" 1827904;1529530859;a111;1 result for "\"comunismu\" \"ajuta\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22comunismu%22%20%22ajuta%22 1827905;1529530864;mircea_popescu;theere we go. 1827906;1529530869;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-03#1291080 1827907;1529530869;a111;Logged on 2015-10-03 19:56 mircea_popescu: ascii_field as the verse goes, "comunismu-ntii te-ajuta, tac tac tac, si apoi te executa, pac pac pac." 1827908;1529532226;asciilifeform;whossat? 1827909;1529532268;mircea_popescu;ye olde moscopol. 1827910;1529532319;mircea_popescu;and in other "ddr trainset" memorabilia, went by wurstspezialitäten tienda, got gal a packet of maoam 1827911;1529532324;mircea_popescu;anyone recall them starburst candies ? 1827912;1529532448;asciilifeform;i meant freeman 1827913;1529532596;mircea_popescu;nigger in http://trilema.com/2018/lucy/ 1827914;1529534141;trinque;!!v 2E51F89A85C4095CB095FE2E801A02832370E0D2E40725790A4FF184307BA36F 1827915;1529534145;deedbot;Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.26994957 << 1827916;1529537790;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/clinton-through-obama-era-family-separation-policy-ended-by-trump-executive-order/ << Qntra - Clinton Through Obama Era 'Family Separation' Policy Ended By Trump Executive Order 1827917;1529537859;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "jail-like" 1827918;1529537895;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1827919;1529537981;ben_vulpes;!!v 47890E77153D97A14E0A3602032F495C70D0A52EA256BC86EA35DD4DF7DF0807 1827920;1529537985;deedbot;ben_vulpes paid trinque invoice 9 1827921;1529538152;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827727 << can bring up spare chassis with hot-spare for raid array on very short notice, but if you would like to cut over to this machine from your existing one o' 1827922;1529538152;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 16:46 mircea_popescu: which brings us to : ben_vulpes would pizarro be amenable to bring up the spare sometime so she makes it a full gnat musl thing, test whether we can move everything there, and either move it (so basically, moving servers) or else backing down (so basically i guess either renting both for a while or powerting back down the spare) ? 1827923;1529538160;ben_vulpes;i'll need until late-july to kit out the bays 1827924;1529539386;*;ben_vulpes bbl 1827925;1529540748;mod6;jurov: just as a reminder, http://deedbot.org/bundle-526308.txt 1827926;1529541395;mod6;new borsec is here! all six bottles intact this time. 1827927;1529541403;mod6;ftw 1827928;1529541912;phf;further kommunity conversation on reproducible builds https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/757118/f2f894279576c348/ 1827929;1529543397;asciilifeform;'In the tricky middle ground of 95-96%, his position would depend on why builds were non-reproducible, as there are a few valid reasons for this to happen. In response to another question, he said that two good reasons for a non-reproducible build were packages that build inside their own virtual machine, such as Emacs, and security packages with signing keys such as secure boot. ' << lolwaaat 1827930;1529543461;asciilifeform;Valid Reasons (tm)(r) didjaknow. 1827931;1529543521;phf;how does that go, the hole through which the night comes 1827932;1529543649;asciilifeform;btw as soon as ave1 fully pins down his gnat, 1st order of biznis is the burning out with hot irons of all timestampism and misc crapola emitted into binaries 1827933;1529543767;asciilifeform;whatever of these survives elf stripping, at the very least. 1827934;1529543842;asciilifeform;also didjaknow! , 'Building everything from sources that one has hand-inspected is a solution to this, but it doesn't scale. Many of us aren't qualified to spot security weaknesses...' etc 1827935;1529543870;phf;oh yeah that piece is full of gems like that 1827936;1529543896;asciilifeform;'Lamb referred to a build that had been made non-reproducible by a 15-digit random number that was generated during each build and baked into the resulting binary. It turned out that it was used as an OpenID secret, which meant that everyone running a given build of the software was using the same secret key.' << genius... 1827937;1529543926;asciilifeform;'Unix doesn't specify an order in which readdir() and listdir() should return the contents of a directory, so components can get built in an unpredictable order' << this is gonna need a cure. 1827938;1529543952;asciilifeform;'build that iterates over the keys of a Perl hash will have problems, since these elements are also returned in a variable order' << perlism has gotta go. 1827939;1529543998;asciilifeform;pretty sure that gprbuild does not suffer from said idiocy, but this will have to be tested. 1827940;1529544077;phf;hmm 1827941;1529544088;asciilifeform;!!up LordMPofTMSR 1827942;1529544089;deedbot;LordMPofTMSR voiced for 30 minutes. 1827943;1529544108;LordMPofTMSR;freenanigans! 1827944;1529544123;asciilifeform;oh hey he's logged in from orbital capsule again 1827945;1529544130;phf;typically hashtables stay stable over invocations of same code, i wonder where randomness is even coming from 1827946;1529544170;asciilifeform;phf: prolly from os/bitness/etc-dependent crapolade in tree rebalancer etc 1827947;1529544201;phf;oh you know what never mind, reproducible here is of course across machines and such 1827948;1529544222;asciilifeform;machines, time, phase of the moon, alignment of planets, sunspots 1827949;1529544227;phf;in that case though any build process that relies on hashtables will fail 1827950;1529544250;asciilifeform;on hashtables implemented by opentards at any rate 1827951;1529544309;asciilifeform;btw phf i nominate you as the hero who will produce msdos gnat. 1827952;1529544347;phf;heh, you really want it? 1827953;1529544349;asciilifeform;( dun have to run ~on~ msdos, tho that would be pure gold; but at least crosscompile to it ) 1827954;1529544351;asciilifeform;yes. 1827955;1529544419;asciilifeform;a complete dos toolchain would rock unspeakably. 1827956;1529544452;*;asciilifeform wonders what it'd take to put sbcl on dos. 1827957;1529544554;phf;much hairy, unix.lisp, runtime, sbcl's new approach of doing every single bit of ffi by writing C function wrappers first 1827958;1529544572;asciilifeform;i can picture. 1827959;1529544596;phf;though it does run on windows.. 1827960;1529544634;asciilifeform;gnat also ( tho i confess, never tried ) 1827961;1529544775;phf;emacs still has msdos folder in tree, all the way to 26. i wonder if that still compiles, or the folder is a lie 1827962;1529546940;asciilifeform;phf: i thought you had a working dos emacs..? 1827963;1529547003;phf;asciilifeform: yeah, but of some significant vintage, i think it's either 21 or 22. i doubt 26 works, and i feel like i've seen "msdos no longer supported" changelog entries 1827964;1529547012;asciilifeform;aa 1827965;1529547781;deedbot;http://blog.esthlos.com/perls-before-swine/ << esthlos - Perls Before Swine 1827966;1529550446;asciilifeform;esthlos: i had nfi these were ever hosted on lolcattube to begin with 1827967;1529550488;asciilifeform;( fwiw i have copy of the films , from decade+ ago , on cd ) 1827968;1529550525;asciilifeform;these are actually quite ancient, iirc early '80s performance given in house at hewlettpackard 1827969;1529556722;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo seperating << it's sepArating 1827970;1529556843;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827930 << by now they're so fucking disgusting any form of conversation besides beating them black and blue and urinating on the remains is squarely outta da question. 1827971;1529556843;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 01:11 asciilifeform: Valid Reasons (tm)(r) didjaknow. 1827972;1529556929;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827945 << "memory optimization" for one thing. 1827973;1529556929;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 01:22 phf: typically hashtables stay stable over invocations of same code, i wonder where randomness is even coming from 1827974;1529556956;mircea_popescu;oh nm he says that literally the next line. sucks to be me! 1827975;1529557219;mircea_popescu;lol perls. 1827976;1529565987;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in high performance pumps : https://78.media.tumblr.com/b9eb11a9d91de939222a03e9ba480023/tumblr_ozipxv48Er1tiw4aco1_500.gif 1827977;1529570094;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827895 <- my (possibly naive) idea was to try first on conventional gentoo by recompiling with musltronic gcc what I need; asciilifeform perhaps knows upfront: would it work to (re-)emerge libs such as zlib and libmysqlclient using the musltronic-gcc? 1827978;1529570094;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 20:38 asciilifeform: earlier diana_coman requested conventional gentoo. what'll it be ? 1827979;1529570156;diana_coman;esp libmysqlclient is potentially iffy because it has dependencies that go deeper but atm I don't know until I try it; unless someone else tried similar /knows better? 1827980;1529570388;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827889 <- in short because existing machine is production environment, there are limits to doing experiments on it 1827981;1529570388;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 20:33 ben_vulpes: diana_coman: why does it need to be wholly separate machine? i think something might have flown over my head 1827982;1529570619;diana_coman;obviously, failing this first approach, next would be to get cuntoo on it and try it directly there; as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827894 1827983;1529570619;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 20:37 mircea_popescu: and so it is here : if gets away without cuntoo, will try, if not, with. 1827984;1529571335;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827925 << sent 1827985;1529571335;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 00:25 mod6: jurov: just as a reminder, http://deedbot.org/bundle-526308.txt 1827986;1529571638;diana_coman;I should add in case it's not clear that part of the reason for trying to do it starting from a conventional gentoo is that it gives a recipe to apply afterwards (if it works, obv) to current server too 1827987;1529584483;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827977 << 're-emerge' seems to imply systemwide ? you're more or less guaranteed a borked box, muslism has to be done either rotor-style (i.e. 100% user-local build of 1 proggy at a time) or systemwide ( trinque's cuntoo ), on account of the impossibility of cleanly linking glibc libs to musl proggy or vice versa 1827988;1529584483;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 08:34 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827895 <- my (possibly naive) idea was to try first on conventional gentoo by recompiling with musltronic gcc what I need; asciilifeform perhaps knows upfront: would it work to (re-)emerge libs such as zlib and libmysqlclient using the musltronic-gcc? 1827989;1529584525;diana_coman;I see; in that case it would seem cuntoo is needed then indeed 1827990;1529584557;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you were making simply a musltronic version of euloratron, it could be done rotor-style (buildroot env) . but sounds like you want cuntoo straight away. 1827991;1529584604;asciilifeform;the go-to man is then trinque . 1827992;1529584613;diana_coman;asciilifeform, it's unclear that a musltronic version of euloratron is in way easier to achieve atm because of dependencies 1827993;1529584631;asciilifeform;diana_coman: hence why i said 'rotor buildroot env' 1827994;1529584650;asciilifeform;i solved this same problem for trb -- i.e. building 100% musltronic proggy with '9000' deps , on a conventional box 1827995;1529584702;asciilifeform;diana_coman: depending on how far cuntoo is from flight-readiness ( trinque , any idea ? ) this may be worth doing in your case 1827996;1529584784;asciilifeform;mod6 is the one who 100% automated asciilifeform's rotor builder; you may want to use his model, ~iff~ waiting for cuntoo is not permissible 1827997;1529584795;diana_coman;well, either there is cuntoo and then can try with it or there isn't, in which no choice apparently other than rotor buildroot style 1827998;1529584843;asciilifeform;right 1827999;1529585139;asciilifeform;of the mentioned libs, zlib is known to me to work under musltronic build; libmysqlclient i had not occasion to test 1828000;1529585189;asciilifeform;it is my understanding that trinque has a quite complete list of what worx and what -- not; ping him when he wakes. 1828001;1529585296;diana_coman;trinque, can you help re ^ ? (in short: need musltronic system, what can I do) 1828002;1529585345;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had asked asciilifeform not to meddle in euolorological matters, so i'ma stop here, unless all of you somehow get stuck and he asks for specific puzzler to be sent to my operating table. 1828003;1529585566;diana_coman;it's ok 1828004;1529585831;asciilifeform;generally speaking unless one or moar of your deps is weird in the 'emacs' way (i.e. does something obscene with glibc-specific pheatures) it's a straight mechanical job, like rotor. 1828005;1529590067;Mocky;I'm confused about trb rpc. Log search suggests for the first year+ of bitcoin foundation rpc was marked for death: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-28#1417175 but then there's dump / eat block based on rpc? Is this a new version of rpc, I don't see a new version announced on the mailing list. Can someone sum this up for me, I'm having trouble following the history. 1828006;1529590067;a111;Logged on 2016-02-28 05:45 asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps. 1828007;1529591293;asciilifeform;Mocky: the rpc thing is ugly and there were experiments re replacing it ( e.g. 'shiva', scheme interpreter bolted on to trb ) but this took a back seat to moar pressing matters ( control of memory footprint ; sane sync behaviour; coupla other items ) and to this day rpc is still there. 1828008;1529591395;asciilifeform;Mocky: on the list of serious problems in trbworld, it ranked somewhere near bottom. 1828009;1529591625;Mocky;ok, so looking for documentation on how to use: it still works like this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC) 1828010;1529591732;trinque;diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage. 1828011;1529591837;trinque;so if I were to upload the current version of the script for you, it would produce a system which is classical gentoo, my recipe, plus the musl and libressl overlays. this'd be what you'd get if you were hand-spinning own musl/libressl system. 1828012;1529592129;trinque;let me know if you're interested in the script, and I'll be happy to upload. otherwise I'll hold off until done with the genesis.vpatch. what remains there is trimming the fat. the pile of ebuilds necessary to build a minimal userland is approx 4mb, though I can probably shave several mb of alternate versions of same ebuilds. then there's the profile directory, which contains environment settings pertinent 1828013;1529592130;trinque;to particular hardware architectures, particular justwantedto variations like use of systemd or nsa.selinux, so on. the profile dir is about 20mb, so serious yak shaving needs to occur there. it's a task I've already done elsewhere (produced a minimal profile for an embedded system for printers recently), just needs to be done here. 1828014;1529592271;trinque;if you choose to use the build without the vtronic portage, it will be feasible to transition the system once that is born. 1828015;1529592507;trinque;that process will amount to setting an environment variable to direct emerge to use the /cuntoo/portage tree (and to designate /usr/portage as an overlay, if you'll be porting ebuilds from classical gentoo into cuntoo) 1828016;1529593311;asciilifeform;Mocky: the definitive doc, unfortunately, is still the src . 1828017;1529593359;asciilifeform;Mocky: i.e. http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp 1828018;1529593399;asciilifeform;!!up Fearful 1828019;1529593400;deedbot;Fearful voiced for 30 minutes. 1828020;1529593404;asciilifeform;Fearful: who goes there ? 1828021;1529593489;Mocky;asciilifeform, thanks 1828022;1529593761;asciilifeform;Mocky: trb , roughly speaking , is a legacy item, in the same way as the icbm targeting comp and similar. i.e. a museum piece that gotta be kept in working order, rather than 'sexy, new' thing bubbling with development 1828023;1529593807;Mocky;understood 1828024;1529593922;asciilifeform;Mocky: even quite small changes to trb, typically get months ( sometimes yrs.. ) of discussion, testing. 1828025;1529594130;asciilifeform;Mocky: as you are prolly already beginning to understand from the l0gz, vtronics grew from trb work, which demanded 'measure not 7, but 7777 times, before cutting once', in the style of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644 1828026;1529594130;a111;Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe. 1828027;1529594572;Mocky;asciilifeform, yes. I'm still wrapping my head around v. My understanding is attaching name and trust to every patch with an explicit dependence tree and build order. But I've not grasped the details yet, or used except to build trb, or understood the src 1828028;1529594610;Mocky;well not build order but patch ordering 1828029;1529594651;asciilifeform;Mocky: not merely this. there is also a set of human-enforced conventions re: 'fits-in-head' of any proposed change. 1828030;1529594674;asciilifeform;Mocky: the illustrative log hook is the story of polarbeard 1828031;1529594683;asciilifeform;!#s polarbeard 1828032;1529594683;a111;288 results for "polarbeard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=polarbeard 1828033;1529594872;asciilifeform;fella had enthusiasm, even some talent, but could not grasp the essential idea that a patch gotta be compact and touch a strict and justifiable minimum count of moving parts 1828034;1529595028;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu , in one of his essays, described how gurlz from nato reich who enlist in his harem sometimes suffer from the effects of fat-soluble poisons, which accumulated in their meat, as the fat burns up in exercise. there is a similar malady suffered by escapees from 'open sores' world on those occasions when they show up here. the toxins gotta work their way out. 1828035;1529595056;asciilifeform;not errybody makes it to the other end . 1828036;1529595200;asciilifeform;Mocky: to function as a troo vtronicist, gotta grasp the concept, described by e.g. dijkstra, that a line of code you have written is not an asset, but an expense. (specifically, an expense against the time budget of other thinking people, who must read and grasp what you have written. ) 1828037;1529595452;asciilifeform;Mocky: v rejects the traditional concept of 'merge'. therefore in order for a patch to continue through time, it must be not only correct, and simple not only to understand but to manually reintegrate ( see l0gz re 'regrind' ) . 1828038;1529595794;asciilifeform;Mocky: the design of v is to give thoughtful, careful, honest folx , a sword with which to cut the sloppy, careless, and mendacious. 1828039;1529595894;asciilifeform;Mocky: occasionally you will stumble across the latter's mangled bones, in the logz. 1828040;1529595923;mircea_popescu;not "sometimes". every time. 1828041;1529595938;asciilifeform;oh hah. 1828042;1529596429;asciilifeform;Mocky: imho the best intro text re vtronics is still ben_vulpes's , http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system 1828043;1529596503;asciilifeform;Mocky: and the best 'intro course', is still to write, as exercise, your own implementation. 1828044;1529596561;asciilifeform;asciilifeform, mod6 , phf , ben_vulpes , trinque , ( and several other folx, who are not here, flunked out ) , have done this. 1828045;1529596563;Mocky;asciilifeform, re: rejects traditional concept of merge, to my eye this looks like 5 merges. are these non-traditional? 1828046;1529596576;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/patches 1828047;1529596590;asciilifeform;Mocky: 'merging' is done by hand. 1828048;1529596615;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827994 << yes but this won't likely work here ; the dependency tree is like 10x trb's. 1828049;1529596615;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 12:37 asciilifeform: i solved this same problem for trb -- i.e. building 100% musltronic proggy with '9000' deps , on a conventional box 1828050;1529596657;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the main q is not re how many, but whether there is an 'emacs'-like boojum among'em. buildroot will just as happily build 9000 deps as 1. 1828051;1529596664;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827999 << a static mysql would be a thing in and of itself! could go in mp-wp too! 1828052;1529596664;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 12:45 asciilifeform: of the mentioned libs, zlib is known to me to work under musltronic build; libmysqlclient i had not occasion to test 1828053;1529596675;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the above named promises to be, very much so. 1828054;1529596702;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly you oughta test this experimentally, might be pleasantly surprised. 1828055;1529596713;mircea_popescu;yes, it's getting done. 1828056;1529596782;mircea_popescu;in pleasantly surprised : yesterday driving through flood (it rained here like the end of hte world, 15cm+) car lost... the front fucking plate on a highway ramp, when water came as high as the windows. 1828057;1529596810;mircea_popescu;so i called teh empleado, sent him to fish my plate somehow, an hour later, when i finally noticed coming out of whorehouse. 1828058;1529596824;mircea_popescu;he... did. "por milagro", dood fished out my plate out of a sunken highway ramp. 1828059;1529596852;asciilifeform;twist : http://www.dukw.com/dkramp.gif is mircea_popescu's car 1828060;1529596860;mircea_popescu;nevertheles... not something you'd rely on, even if you had miracle-working groundskeepers at your beak and call. the correct approach is to NOT HAVE FLOODABLE HIGHWAY RAMPS OMFG 1828061;1529596884;mircea_popescu;well, it does take like 8 liters of engine oil... but it's just a bmw. 1828062;1529596948;mircea_popescu;anyway, point being, as girl was dialing the miracle worker for me, i was saying to her, "tomorrow you call the lawyer, apparently he's getting me new plates." 1828063;1529597051;asciilifeform;puzzler is why would it come loose to begin with.. water-soluble screws?! 1828064;1529597072;asciilifeform;.. held on with hot glue ? 1828065;1529597077;mircea_popescu;nah, it rests on a larger plastic plate, which is plastic-fastened to the whole bumper assemblage. 1828066;1529597083;asciilifeform;ugh 1828067;1529597095;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1828068;1529597103;mircea_popescu;basically it got sail effect. 1828069;1529597108;asciilifeform;sounds liek this bmw is of moar chinese build than my old tub even 1828070;1529597120;mircea_popescu;it is literally made in germany. 1828071;1529597131;asciilifeform;iguess germany aint what it used to be 1828072;1529597139;mircea_popescu;and this was years ago! 1828073;1529597212;*;asciilifeform recalls when bumpers were made of rubber, and ~never needed swap 1828074;1529597236;mircea_popescu;but yes, this is how empires die. "yes we're aware this would sail right off if driven through in 3 feet of water, but the car's not rated for driving through 3 feet of water so it's ok." "right, but then the ramp that's not rated for flooding will flood, because etcetera in this vein, and there you are." 1828075;1529597269;asciilifeform;sounds like mircea_popescu lives in gelandewagen country 1828076;1529597303;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828005 << the closest we got to a replacement i believe was asciilifeform's shiva, i.e. a tinyscheme embedded into trb runtime. it was suggested as a useful exercise for novices to attempt to expose existing, useful rpc function using it, but there were no takers. at some point the idea of using shiva in prod also went away, because tinyscheme is not necessarily production ready (primarily because of C-ism issues). as 1828077;1529597303;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 14:07 Mocky: I'm confused about trb rpc. Log search suggests for the first year+ of bitcoin foundation rpc was marked for death: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-28#1417175 but then there's dump / eat block based on rpc? Is this a new version of rpc, I don't see a new version announced on the mailing list. Can someone sum this up for me, I'm having trouble following the history. 1828078;1529597303;phf; of right now new methods that people write are exposed through the old RPC still 1828079;1529597317;mircea_popescu;probably ; but honestly i very much like this thing's turn. it specifically does 1-lane-over turning. very evidently was designed specifically for it. 1828080;1529597389;asciilifeform;evidently it wants to live on clean, dry autobahn, smooth enuff for playing billiard. 1828081;1529597411;mircea_popescu;you can switch from driving leftmost lane this way to rightmost lane that way or rightmost lane this way to leftmost lane that way on a 4 lane road at ~100kmph in sub a second. just goes wooooosh. 1828082;1529597454;Mocky;what, rear wheels steer too? 1828083;1529597470;mircea_popescu;Mocky no, rear wheels go woosh. but ever so slightly, it's so stable you wouldn't believe. 1828084;1529597476;asciilifeform;Mocky: afaik those only exist in jp 1828085;1529597483;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform driving through water is a major engineering problem though. unless specifically amphibian landing vehicle, ytou won't get it. 1828086;1529597539;mircea_popescu;the correct fucking solution, nevermind billiard whatever, is to not have floodable highway ramps. which is the largest chapter in highway ramp engineering book. not even kidding. 1828087;1529597542;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite troo. tho gelandewagen-style fat, synchronous wheels still better for drowned roads than autobahn limo. 1828088;1529597609;mircea_popescu;phf there were takers, mod6 working on rawtx recall ? 1828089;1529597612;asciilifeform;i'm not really surprised that bananistan has flooding ramps. oxcarts dun particularly care about water. 1828090;1529597628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you kidding me ? i found out later from workers we were the only ones to cross there. 1828091;1529597644;mircea_popescu;their little toyota and toyota-like shits (which is 99% of mkt here) simply drown in half that. 1828092;1529597651;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where do the donkey riders cross ? 1828093;1529597656;mircea_popescu;they wait. 1828094;1529597664;asciilifeform;aa 1828095;1529597666;mircea_popescu;donkey, also can't breathe underwater. 1828096;1529597670;BingoBoingo; but yes, this is how empires die. "yes we're aware this would sail right off if driven through in 3 feet of water, but the car's not rated for driving through 3 feet of water so it's ok." "right, but then the ramp that's not rated for flooding will flood, because etcetera in this vein, and there you are." << AHA, this happened to the plasticar 1828097;1529597697;mircea_popescu;but this reminds me, saw somewhere nice aquafort of 1918 major road here, then a river, beign crossed by bare legged girlies on oxcarts. 1828098;1529597720;Mocky;mircea_popescu, wooshing across 4 lanes in sub second is my kind of fun, I do this ~daily on motorcycle 1828099;1529597731;mircea_popescu;i almost never do! 1828100;1529597736;mircea_popescu;it's not for fun, it's for WAR!!1 1828101;1529597755;asciilifeform;Mocky: for motorbike road is 'always empty' neh. 1828102;1529597764;trinque;'til it isn't 1828103;1529597768;mircea_popescu;yeah, until you end up spread like butter 1828104;1529597787;asciilifeform;aha, watched heads pop like melons. 1828105;1529597810;Mocky;i a car the road can be full, on a bike you can still fit in there 1828106;1529597811;asciilifeform;but until said day, life so phree, so vroom!11 1828107;1529597815;mircea_popescu;i personally know a slut that lost the ability of being beaten for fun, through the mediation of her ducati and so many knee and hip surgeries she's immune to playpain. 1828108;1529597878;mircea_popescu;and you know what else went with it ? she can barely come. because yes, the cns is plasticine, but no it's not free plasticine. 1828109;1529597948;asciilifeform;'that nerve moves left little toe now' 1828110;1529597954;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1828111;1529598021;Mocky;blockchain's not gonna fit on this 250gb ssd is it. fuck 1828112;1529598028;mircea_popescu;this is in the lawgs! 1828113;1529598069;Mocky;dun help til you know you need to search for it! 1828114;1529598074;mircea_popescu;btw, everyone notice how every year by now there's one of these shockingly promising young squirts ? just, they keep coming earlier and earlier in the year. 1828115;1529598104;asciilifeform;Mocky: multiply blockheight by 1e6 to get a ceiling for estimated mass ( you will only ever be off by a small constant ) 1828116;1529598120;mircea_popescu;yo Mocky , do the botting bs. i was going to tell you when to v it, and everything. not like you're alone here you know. 1828117;1529598139;mircea_popescu;if you just run by whatever shines you'll get overwhelmed and then depressed at how the sand sucks effort with no visible return. 1828118;1529598204;Mocky;tru but how am to even have money without a wallet? 1828119;1529598212;mircea_popescu;you have a wallet 1828120;1529598216;mircea_popescu;!!pay Mocky 0.02 1828121;1529598221;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iQDvA/?raw=true 1828122;1529598224;mircea_popescu;there. 1828123;1529598281;mircea_popescu;(i hope we all now admire the wisdom of trinque, for having closed this hole for me lo these many years ago.) 1828124;1529598298;asciilifeform;trinque's walletron is certifiably spiffy. 1828125;1529598377;trinque;glad you gents like it. 1828126;1529598381;Mocky;ok well, thanks. hopefully that doesn't curse me. but also i "have" "bitcoin" in various dark markets that i want to actually own and I don't trust them to send accurate decimal to trinque's walletron 1828127;1529598422;mircea_popescu;Mocky so flush them via whatever, iirc blockchain.info sent correct ammt. 1828128;1529598442;mircea_popescu;but no, it's not like it's verboten to stand up a trb, god forbid. 1828129;1529598453;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc bci et al have started doing segshitness 1828130;1529598464;mircea_popescu;can't do it when you pay to a proper addy. 1828131;1529598470;asciilifeform;aa hm 1828132;1529598473;trinque;when I've grunted out the cuntoo thing, next item in the pipeline is the hot wallet 1828133;1529598575;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and trinque isn't issuing them their 3bs. i suppose next step in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827722 security circus luls is "can't send bitcoin to proper bitcoin address, ITS INSECURE!!!" bullshit. 1828134;1529598575;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 16:15 mircea_popescu: in other-same lulz, usg amping up the "upgrading" of "secure" http sites off the interwebs. 1828135;1529598578;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828076 << phf in retrospect tinyscheme plugin was an ill-conceived thing. such item really calls for a troo adatronic scheme thing. 1828136;1529598578;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 16:08 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828005 << the closest we got to a replacement i believe was asciilifeform's shiva, i.e. a tinyscheme embedded into trb runtime. it was suggested as a useful exercise for novices to attempt to expose existing, useful rpc function using it, but there were no takers. at some point the idea of using shiva in prod also went away, because tinyscheme is not necessarily production ready (primarily because of C-ism issues). as 1828137;1529598580;mircea_popescu;but afaik they're not quite there yet. 1828138;1529598603;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so far seems like they know that fence is electrified, mostly stayed off 1828139;1529598619;asciilifeform;( with possible exception of shitpay ) 1828140;1529598630;mircea_popescu;zombie herd knows no such thing, on the long run. bridges over barbed water! 1828141;1529598638;asciilifeform;lolyes 1828142;1529598648;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ etc. 1828143;1529598674;mircea_popescu;i wonder what percentage of the old world jews actuallty went to the lime pit while managing imaginary financial empires the whole time. 1828144;1529598681;mircea_popescu;because it seems like 100% of the new world jews will. 1828145;1529598736;mircea_popescu;and you'd better believe it'll be "republic doesn't like us because IT IS BARBARIC!!!! HATES BLINDLY WITHOUT REASON OR CAUSE!!!!11" etc etc. 1828146;1529598750;asciilifeform;'they hate our fleadoms!'(tm)(r) 1828147;1529598826;mircea_popescu;rewatched http://trilema.com/2011/margin-call/ last nite ; hanbot was all "wtf is with these idiots, tax man takes 50% right off the top, and that's it ? no comment, not even a groan, not even 'how about you pay me the real amt you pay me rather than pretend double' zero ??" 1828148;1529598831;mircea_popescu;she hates their freedoms. 1828149;1529598906;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827698 << lmao i somehow missed this. 1828150;1529598906;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 15:20 FundsAreSafuh: the pursuit of knowledge, and an adoration for the great Mircea Popescu 1828151;1529598976;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827714 << roflmao what fucking thrills these guys got. i am starting to suspect i missed out. 1828152;1529598976;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 15:41 FundsAreSafuh: The thrill of buying 60 BTC, and spending it all on cannabis. The exhilaration of learning PGP for the first time. The realization that FeedZeBirds was a scam. 1828153;1529598994;asciilifeform;lol realization 1828154;1529599016;asciilifeform;( recall similar generation of amoeba who 'then i realized mmm was SCAM!' ? ) 1828155;1529599046;mircea_popescu;you know, the total btc value i spent on pot the past decade is 0.00. because a) who the fuck buys pot for internet funbux, just... why! and b). 1828156;1529599082;mircea_popescu;though when it comes to b), i suppose i should admit the girls keep getting offered roaches and tokes alllll the time. whole crowd whose only mode of socialisation seems to be, sharing mate uh i mean, pot-e. 1828157;1529599085;asciilifeform;same folx presumably who bought the infamous $100M pizza 1828158;1529599130;mircea_popescu;but i mean... the ~only utility of even buying pot is getting to know the dealer. 1828159;1529599200;asciilifeform;in current-day gringolandia, 'dealer' is no longer interesting connector to the world, but rather some d00d with two flower pots and fluorescent lamp in his cellar 1828160;1529599226;Mocky;I probably spent what i didn't realize would be a fortune of btc on pot. but i at least learned an important lesson. 1828161;1529599242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform disgusting tankworld. 1828162;1529599242;Mocky;i didn't smoke any of what i bought 1828163;1529599252;mircea_popescu;these people have no fucking idea re soviet survival skills. 1828164;1529599267;mircea_popescu;here's the pro tip : everyone who made money in the 90s did so because of their "pot dealer" connections. 1828165;1529599285;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking point of even having a black market economy is to destroy the system, hence all the o'brien comments on trilema. 1828166;1529599338;mircea_popescu;the same guy selling you pot, in a working world, will sell your car for you / introduce you to the people in austriturkey to buy condoms from and so on. 1828167;1529599377;mircea_popescu;then you learn the much more important lesson that a car's worth of condom's worth the whole hruscheba, plus that hottie on 2F. 1828168;1529599466;Mocky;my experience, quite limited, was that ~only people dealing pot are pot heads who don't end making a dime 1828169;1529599488;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta the thrust behind the recent trend of 'pot legalizations' in usa -- succeeded in neutering the healthiest of the blackmarkets ( something like 1 in 5 zeks in usa, regularly pot ) 1828170;1529599499;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the pot dealer is even an extinct species these days; gotta go buy fentanyl to make friends now 1828171;1529599508;ben_vulpes;and even that largely subsumed by .cn mailorder 1828172;1529599535;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: even these, are afaik now quite similar to the flower pot derp, typically just a d00d who works at pharmacy warehouse 1828173;1529599571;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: nah, even worse/dumber. importing the fentanyl and mixing it poorly into things that look like heroin for street-resale 1828174;1529599593;asciilifeform;ha 1828175;1529599598;*;asciilifeform not deeply versed in subj 1828176;1529599616;ben_vulpes;because it's not fentanyl, it's just-enough-different to escape prosecution in the orient and kill people in ameristan 1828177;1529599626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform deintermediation, the universal inca goal. as per http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ 1828178;1529599636;asciilifeform;aha 'start topology'(tm)(r) 1828179;1529599638;asciilifeform;*star 1828180;1529599690;asciilifeform;iirc under obummer they even made inroads into making small arms blackmarket dependent on usg-controlled suppliers. 1828181;1529599731;mircea_popescu;basically they're really really dedicated to dying in a bloc. 1828182;1529599805;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lulzily , in ameristan they have the 'analogues act', i.e. anybody can be prosecuted, if they 'need to have problems', for, say, the glue in their chinese shoes, if need be 1828183;1529599825;asciilifeform;and the whole mass of the boot will count towards 'sentence formula' 1828184;1529599832;mircea_popescu;lol 1828185;1529599835;mircea_popescu;this isn't even not true. 1828186;1529599858;mircea_popescu;helps the whole "nobus child porn" thing, "if we didn't cheat here we'd cheat down the line" sorta anal children "arguments". 1828187;1529599868;asciilifeform;( sorta how you see sentences for '10kg of lsd', which has never existed and probably will never exist on planet earth; they weigh whatever reagents, incl water ) 1828188;1529599869;mircea_popescu;"cheat -- we will!" hurr. 1828189;1529600012;asciilifeform;or, on the other side of the kangaroo courthouse, the infamous 'shoestring machinegun' cases, etc. 1828190;1529600039;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827957 << yeah, this dun seem workable. 1828191;1529600039;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 01:29 phf: much hairy, unix.lisp, runtime, sbcl's new approach of doing every single bit of ffi by writing C function wrappers first 1828192;1529600040;asciilifeform;( 'we found an old rifle in his closet, and a shoestring, if he were to tie it to the bolt like-so...' ) 1828193;1529600078;mircea_popescu;https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ATF-shoestring-machine-gun-2004.jpg for the record. 1828194;1529600088;asciilifeform;famous lulzcase 1828195;1529600142;trinque;sterling nixon, ferfuxsake 1828196;1529600152;mircea_popescu;"constructive possession." 1828197;1529600189;asciilifeform;recently it was invoked , in a ban on whatever peculiarly shaped rifle butt was found in the las vegas postal, supposedly 'bounces off shoulder and shoots illicitly faster' 1828198;1529600208;mircea_popescu;wasn't the butt, plastic attachment over the trigger thing 1828199;1529600214;asciilifeform;aah 1828200;1529600220;trinque;"bump stock" 1828201;1529600228;mircea_popescu;right. 1828202;1529600240;mircea_popescu;it's a terrible bit of chinesium, too. 1828203;1529600246;mircea_popescu;kinda why dood didn't hit jack shit 1828204;1529600266;asciilifeform;iirc was moar of a sprayer than aimer type 1828205;1529600309;asciilifeform;not clear why he didn't simply do a proper auto mod. 'hang for sheep as well as lamb' 1828206;1529600326;mircea_popescu;because he knew no pot dealers. 1828207;1529600347;asciilifeform;what dealers. just needs, what, drill press and file. 1828208;1529600347;mircea_popescu;consequently, worried he'd be leaking info. 1828209;1529600358;mircea_popescu;he didn't have teh skills. 1828210;1529600362;asciilifeform;evidently 1828211;1529600376;mircea_popescu;depressives are rarely effectual specifically because often a goal requires some preparations. 1828212;1529600382;asciilifeform;bonsaikittenization bears fruit. 1828213;1529600390;mircea_popescu;depressives are broken in the typical consumer fashion, "either right now or not at all" 1828214;1529600408;asciilifeform;iirc subj d00d specifically counterexample, had multiple rehearsals, prepared. 1828215;1529600420;mircea_popescu;but not drill press. 1828216;1529600427;asciilifeform;right 1828217;1529600434;mircea_popescu;they weren't "rehearsals", they were chickening outs. 1828218;1529600443;asciilifeform;likely 1828219;1529600446;mircea_popescu;suicidy emo chick isn't "rehearsing" with the pills. 1828220;1529600489;asciilifeform;trooly prepared d00d would've, e.g., lobbed selfmade frags. 1828221;1529600569;mircea_popescu;and the case'd absolutely have been another chickening out, in my respected and respectable professional oppinion as the only left psychologist speaking this language, had not a very george zimmerman-like character (white male redditor-rentacop) jiggled at his door with his pretense to matter. 1828222;1529600624;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most of the reported 'postal' derps to date seem to follow this pattern 1828223;1529600641;asciilifeform;'later', 'later', then suddenly 'must nao' 1828224;1529600680;trinque;the thing builds up as an escape fantasy. "that'll be the day" 1828225;1529600690;mircea_popescu;which, incidentally, is why the pantsuit hate the "new right" or whatever they call it. all they see is the zimmerman-paddock party and get hives. 1828226;1529600716;mircea_popescu;ie, overbearing, underqualified, loud smelly white male officious intermeddlers. 1828227;1529600730;mircea_popescu;can't even say i disagree. 1828228;1529600802;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in accountrements, https://78.media.tumblr.com/45a89885d7a7a44d8cbb7e7c51efbc29/tumblr_oxpi7hxTl41uzk3l9o1_400.gif 1828229;1529600812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doubt that it's so specific; afaik they see it as simply a large underground bag into which they've driven errything with even half a ball remaining, 'could do anyffing!1' 1828230;1529600830;mircea_popescu;i don't think so. 1828231;1529600900;asciilifeform;( considering that there isn't actually such a thing as 'new right', but in reality buncha folx who read r-reddit in place of l-reddit ) 1828232;1529600971;mircea_popescu;and then go about tapping trayvon on the shoulder as he's going home after fucking jennifer senseless. 1828233;1529600984;mircea_popescu;yes, this is exactly it : redditor-rentacops. 1828234;1529601048;asciilifeform;y'know, sorta how there wasn't actually a 'communist underground' in the last reich, just that luxembourg chix who got guillotined with buncha other derps 1828235;1529601123;mircea_popescu;an evolution (albeit slight) of the 1990s era pantsuit-imagined-enemy, the subersive-exterminator. this guy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a84gLEew8m4 1828236;1529601132;mircea_popescu;you gotta appreciate, pantsuits are very visual thinkers. 1828237;1529601176;asciilifeform;even these did not exist in the necessary mass, the 1st clinton had to create'em ( for waco etc ) 1828238;1529601195;mircea_popescu;so visual, in fact, that unless there's a gui with icons to cluck at, they don't have ~the subjective impression~ of having thought. 1828239;1529601195;asciilifeform;!#s militia 1828240;1529601196;a111;81 results for "militia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=militia 1828241;1529601208;mircea_popescu;because their thoughtmeter is really taping the optic nerve. 1828242;1529601250;mircea_popescu;and hence natural masturbatory activity of the sort described in http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-317.0-317.109 1828243;1529601283;mircea_popescu;the ~driver~ of the behaviour is exactly 1. now we're doing serious business edumancation which is thought ; 2. activity not involving the optic nerve doesn't feel like having thought ; 3. clicks through captics all while 1828244;1529601306;mircea_popescu;it's exactly like old pedophile rubbing the desk in court during testimony of kids he rubbed at home. just, mechanically, how it works. 1828245;1529601363;mircea_popescu;hysterically enough, this is actually a line by felini. in zampano literally says, "it's the optic nerve that does all the work" 1828246;1529601379;asciilifeform;really whole root of 'guiism' is to give the monkey a harmless object to manipulate, like hamster is given wheel 1828247;1529601413;mircea_popescu;indeed. and for this very reason. monkey feels like it has produced intellectual work for having been visually exhausted. 1828248;1529601447;asciilifeform;hence, for instance, clinton's creation of 'militias' to send the r-reddit folx to play with pea shooters, rather than chancing their discovery of effective low-tech monkey wrenches (e.g. gas) 1828249;1529601491;mircea_popescu;certainly. as the gears grind to a halt, more and more of the imperial gdp is leaked to distracting the barbarians. 1828250;1529601538;asciilifeform;today not even needs pea shooters; e.g. weev et al successfully occupied with escape 'censored' r-reddit to alt-alt-r-reddit etc 1828251;1529601570;trinque;some derp put a frog on a twitter clone and that was that. 1828252;1529601593;mircea_popescu;wait, there was also a voat, is this that ? 1828253;1529601595;asciilifeform;clone of clone, and who knows, maybe kangaroo nao instead of frog, i have not followed the subj 1828254;1529601638;trinque;mircea_popescu: nah "gab" 1828255;1529601657;trinque;I only remember because nazi chick had big tits 1828256;1529601671;asciilifeform;'wriggle out of the conclusion while accepting form' 1828257;1529601690;mircea_popescu;this fragmenting thing they're doing is amusingly enough more helping reddit than they could have done if they were good redditors and "created" "content" for it. 1828258;1529601712;mircea_popescu;basically, "will drench this ship out of our own canteens, make sure it has water under keel" 1828259;1529601713;ben_vulpes;latest innovation is lotto-disguised-as-lootbox on ipad; labor force participation by young males down, but expenditures of parents' 401k on skinner boxes is up! 1828260;1529601806;asciilifeform;wat's a lootbox? 1828261;1529601868;mircea_popescu;a box of loot. 1828262;1529601884;asciilifeform;how would one go about mistaking ipad for one such ? 1828263;1529601897;mircea_popescu;how does one go about mistaking their pay slip for money ? 1828264;1529601914;mircea_popescu;wilful suspension of brain function. 1828265;1529601936;asciilifeform;'st peter, you can't take me, for i can't go, i owe my soul to the company store'(tm)(r)(1890s amerischwitz) i dun think they necessarily confuse it. 1828266;1529601965;mircea_popescu;nothing from the 1800s may stand for today's zeks. 1828267;1529601983;asciilifeform;i've yet to meet in the flesh a zek who actually thinks he's touched real money. 1828268;1529601984;mircea_popescu;do you know when talking to stupid cunt (tm), her retort to "have you seen ken park" was "no, i was 9yo when it came out". 1828269;1529601998;mircea_popescu;only thing penned in the past 3 months may be used in support of zek. 1828270;1529602053;mircea_popescu;as far as the crop of baaaas is concerned, 1800s america was a different country in a different land. 1828271;1529602066;mircea_popescu;!#s fathers fought to conquer 1828272;1529602066;a111;0 results for "fathers fought to conquer", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fathers%20fought%20to%20conquer 1828273;1529602070;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1828274;1529602081;asciilifeform;ipadism really replacement for televism, rather than anything else. 1828275;1529602095;diana_coman;trinque, if I understand it correctly, I could have a cuntoo right now and move later on to v-tree but a. there is some work to be done to configure it properly for the exact pizarro hardware b. it's unclear whether I'll be able to emerge (i.e. build musltronically) all the stuff I need ; correct? 1828276;1529602100;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/how-is-it-the-end/#selection-205.604-205.670 then. 1828277;1529602121;diana_coman;ref http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828010 1828278;1529602121;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 14:35 trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage. 1828279;1529602268;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828036 << this is a major point ; and goes directly to the bifurcation between http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827317 and http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ (original piece describing a world where things exist by power of mind and how it'd play out). 1828280;1529602268;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 15:33 asciilifeform: Mocky: to function as a troo vtronicist, gotta grasp the concept, described by e.g. dijkstra, that a line of code you have written is not an asset, but an expense. (specifically, an expense against the time budget of other thinking people, who must read and grasp what you have written. ) 1828281;1529602268;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 20:52 mircea_popescu: it's not "oh, errybody has a rotten plank or two keeping'em afloat." it's "oh, everybody ~can manifest matter by will~, currently everybody hanging off the bare minimum rotten plank and they're not even COMPARED". 1828282;1529602293;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should translate that thing. unless anyone wants to practice their rofu first ? 1828283;1529602388;mircea_popescu;also, i misstated http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828225 ; i meant zimmerman-campos (the hotel's rentacop that hassled the dood into going live). 1828284;1529602388;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 17:04 mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is why the pantsuit hate the "new right" or whatever they call it. all they see is the zimmerman-paddock party and get hives. 1828285;1529602486;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828045 << rejects the github implementation of merge, would have been the correct statement. yes you can alter code, but through a very different process, in places exactly opposite. 1828286;1529602486;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 15:56 Mocky: asciilifeform, re: rejects traditional concept of merge, to my eye this looks like 5 merges. are these non-traditional? 1828287;1529602546;mircea_popescu;for a simple example, the default state is, "userbase rejects your merge" rather than "everyone please upgrade". that should give a decent idea of the flavour. 1828288;1529602579;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827984 << thanks! 1828289;1529602579;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 08:55 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827925 << sent 1828290;1529602844;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828275 << right. either now or later, you'll have to produce a kernel config suitable for your hardware, and provide that to the build script. and yes, there is the potential that somebody else hasn't yet provided musl patches for your dependencies, though there are more all the time. 1828291;1529602844;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 17:28 diana_coman: trinque, if I understand it correctly, I could have a cuntoo right now and move later on to v-tree but a. there is some work to be done to configure it properly for the exact pizarro hardware b. it's unclear whether I'll be able to emerge (i.e. build musltronically) all the stuff I need ; correct? 1828292;1529602940;diana_coman;trinque, hm, the kernel config suitable for the hardware in principle exists already as it would be the same as it is for non-musltronic gentoo, or am I wrong here? 1828293;1529602956;asciilifeform;trinque: luckily asciilifeform already baked kernel config for the type of machine diana_coman has ( tho it potentially can be further trimmed ) 1828294;1529603000;diana_coman;so then it would seem this is the best available option currently: asciilifeform can I have trinque's cuntoo on that machine when it's available? 1828295;1529603008;asciilifeform;surely 1828296;1529603016;diana_coman;thank you! 1828297;1529603073;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828282 << asciilifeform very definitely read that piece. but it might have been in the orig ro 1828298;1529603073;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 17:31 mircea_popescu: i suppose i should translate that thing. unless anyone wants to practice their rofu first ? 1828299;1529603085;asciilifeform;the one where 'what would you have in your house, if all you had to do is think of it' 1828300;1529603095;Mocky;this makes sense to me >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828287 1828301;1529603095;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 17:35 mircea_popescu: for a simple example, the default state is, "userbase rejects your merge" rather than "everyone please upgrade". that should give a decent idea of the flavour. 1828302;1529603101;trinque;yep, there aren't any specific constraints on the kernel, other than the obvious "matched arch, abi, of userland root" 1828303;1529603153;trinque;however, if you're using genkernel, the script doesn't invoke that for you. it expects to be fed a kernel config bare 1828304;1529603268;trinque;(there will be a tool for initramfs-ism forthcoming, but there are very few situations where you actually need one) 1828305;1529603311;asciilifeform;trinque: really, i can't think of any genuine reason to keep initramfs; if box needs e.g. raid card driver, it oughta be compiled in kernel 1828306;1529603322;trinque;I have use for it in embedded, but only 1828307;1529603328;asciilifeform;and overall trinque's approach to kernels is The Right Thing (i.e. nail down the iron, and switch off modules) 1828308;1529603370;trinque;place to mount say a squashfs as root, with overlay for ephemeral writes 1828309;1529603385;asciilifeform;modules make sense to have on a box where you're developing custom iron, and driver is fiddled with actively, and that's about it 1828310;1529603392;trinque;aha 1828311;1529603393;asciilifeform;trinque: aah conceivably 1828312;1529603428;trinque;asciilifeform: no reason to be more than busybox and here's your init shell script. 1828313;1529603455;asciilifeform;iirc busybox errs on the side of being spartan, breaks certain legacy duct tapes 1828314;1529603460;asciilifeform;but this is not really an argument against it 1828315;1529603468;asciilifeform;( i had it, fwiw, on pogo ) 1828316;1529603624;trinque;I build initramfsen by aiming portage at a custom PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT and ROOT, using a threadbare portage profile, can thereby slam down ebuilds in a chroot without having the whole of portage present in the chroot 1828317;1529603725;trinque;recently did work experimenting with "just add water" kernels where the initramfs is (relatively) huge, but there is in fact a magic number limiting the size of in-built initramfs, dun recall what, but hit it in the few 100s of mb range 1828318;1529605577;mircea_popescu;Mocky it's not much, superficially, but it has a lot of downstream. because this is the ~fundamental~ rot of "foss" : that impotent dweebs latch on to it not because of the lofty theoretical goals, but strictly because of the very direct if unspoken power equation, "if i be friends with these guys then girls will be forced ot insert my penis in their vagina by themselves". 1828319;1529605598;mircea_popescu;which obviously is the universal palliative dream of the impotent. 1828320;1529605654;mircea_popescu;"nobody could have predicted" and therefore it doesn't occur to them how to clean it. and the politruks are helpfully there, "stop rape" and "code of conduct of incluisivity" and etc, expertly boiling the frogs. 1828321;1529606013;asciilifeform;'foss' 'development' follows the pattern illustrated in the old jp game 'katamari damacy' , where ball rolls around and picks up rusty nails, rubbish, people, dogs, trees, candy bars, etc 1828322;1529606087;asciilifeform;with the 1 twist that in the nintendo game at least sometimes objects come loose and fall from the ball 1828323;1529606092;asciilifeform;but in 'foss' , pretty much never 1828324;1529606096;mircea_popescu;this is everything! this is everywhere! banzai pantsuit! 1828325;1529606236;asciilifeform;( tbf, not limited to open sores, e.g. microshit world is just such a katamari ) 1828326;1529606263;asciilifeform;the pov where 'line of coad is asset!11' inescapably leads to this. 1828327;1529606359;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828135 << so far the question is whether adascheme or elips. 1828328;1529606359;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 16:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828076 << phf in retrospect tinyscheme plugin was an ill-conceived thing. such item really calls for a troo adatronic scheme thing. 1828329;1529606381;*;asciilifeform recently had lengthy emacs convo with asciilifeform's brother, greybeard incurable emacsist , re 'yes we will ditch the autoinstallable packets' . initially horrified, then it dawned on him 1828330;1529606396;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elisp is a roughly microshit-quality product. 1828331;1529606414;asciilifeform;e.g., leaks like a sieve. 1828332;1529606424;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but this is my point. "why are you using emacs when in fact trb will need ada scheme anyway and then you could just have a musl-gnat nerwmacs" ? 1828333;1529606476;asciilifeform;yes. tho currently toolbox consists of rusty old emacs, and ~barehands. 1828334;1529606483;mircea_popescu;right. 1828335;1529606493;mircea_popescu;put that in brother's graybeard an' smoke it!11 1828336;1529606549;asciilifeform;compared to, e.g., trb reactor dismantlement and rod replacement , re-creating the useful part of emacs is light work. 1828337;1529606574;mircea_popescu;this is how we ended up rebuilding the whole town around powerplant as part of powerplant rebuild project. 1828338;1529606599;mircea_popescu;from city hall to cnc mill, the works. 1828339;1529606703;asciilifeform;btw didn't somebody grind out a draft of a foaetal ada scheme ? was digging in log, not found so far 1828340;1529606712;ben_vulpes;spyked? 1828341;1529606715;asciilifeform;iirc 1828342;1529606719;mircea_popescu;i think this was spyked's thing 1828343;1529606732;asciilifeform;did it break his back? i dun recall hearing of followup 1828344;1529606800;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737242 << ? 1828345;1529606800;a111;Logged on 2017-11-13 17:44 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736892 << some years ago, several people got together and worked through 'an incremental approach to compiler construction', one nick fitzgerald worked through it in ada: https://github.com/fitzgen/ada-scheme 1828346;1529606819;mircea_popescu;!#seen spyked 1828347;1529606819;a111;2018-06-18 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825614 <-- I wonder if dood is still tuned in (maybe read-only? I know I was for more than a coupla years). kinda enjoyed the conversations back in the day. 1828348;1529606822;asciilifeform;trinque: naa wasn't a heathen link, was selfmade thing 1828349;1529606845;spyked;quite the backbreaker, yes. I have some coad, but it sucks (iirc I linked some of it and phf tore it to pieces). 1828350;1529606848;asciilifeform;trinque: the heathen item linked, has e.g. unbound strings, and related nopes 1828351;1529606870;asciilifeform;spyked: do you happen to have threadlink handy ? 1828352;1529606964;mircea_popescu;in other lulz (from there where the hopeless cunts posture) : Sam25218 23F Exploring "It costs £0.00 to not be like this." LordMPofTMSR 37M Master "For the same money it'd cost you nothing to stop washing and go about in rags. What nonsense is this ?!" 1828353;1529606968;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna guess her comeback ? 1828354;1529606997;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'what's washing' ? 1828355;1529607008;mircea_popescu;you know, showering, bathing 1828356;1529607019;asciilifeform;the comeback, i mean 1828357;1529607031;mircea_popescu;lmao. nope. it is, believe it or not, computer related. 1828358;1529607039;mircea_popescu;well... disrelated, at any rate. 1828359;1529607040;asciilifeform;hm? 1828360;1529607072;mircea_popescu;ima give it till the hour an' then reveal, this is something else. 1828361;1529607097;spyked;asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722613 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741176 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741181 and there are certainly others. I kept reading and adding some basic pieces to it, but IMHO is still very much "roadside item" 1828362;1529607097;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 14:06 phf: spyked: r5rs and tinyscheme are not the right places to start on the other, non-ada end, i'd recommend looking at lisp in small pieces. you can tease out the theory out of tinyscheme, but it's definitely easier not to get bogged on accidentals if you start from theory 1828363;1529607097;a111;Logged on 2017-11-20 12:19 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via 1828364;1529607097;a111;Logged on 2017-11-20 12:23 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738140 <-- ftr, I am following phf's initial advice re. reading lisp in small pieces; this, along with kogge's book. but at snail's pace (code easier to write than read) 1828365;1529607103;asciilifeform;ty spyked 1828366;1529607157;mircea_popescu;spyked afaik this ran in entirely unsolvable memory addressing problems, that true ? 1828367;1529607205;spyked;I managed to make the thing run without a heap, I think the problem's more in my understanding of Lisp's evaluation model. 1828368;1529607205;asciilifeform;iirc asciilifeform described exactly how to cure pointerolade in adascheme ( use array of cells, and ordinary ranged integer for addressing ) 1828369;1529607215;spyked;and I don't know how to cut it in small, readable pieces. 1828370;1529607237;mircea_popescu;ic. 1828371;1529607254;asciilifeform;spyked: were you able to get hold of the french d00d's 'lisp in small pieces' ? 1828372;1529607263;asciilifeform;it's exactly the likbez for subj. 1828373;1529607340;asciilifeform;oh nm already mentioned in log 1828374;1529607400;mircea_popescu;in other sads, article fucking untranslatable. "inchipuiti-va" is not romanian for "imagine", because that's imaginati-va. it's the vocative of the act of creating a form/face (chip) in your mind. which does not exist in english as such, unless you go to "mentally iconify" or somesuch barbarism. 1828375;1529607428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'представьте себе...' 1828376;1529607433;mircea_popescu;this word, incidentally, is like the english "set". means "ways, means, form, face, expression" etc. 1828377;1529607443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't that more like vede, "see" ? 1828378;1529607454;spyked;asciilifeform, yes, found w4rez. and used it as reference. and the lisp evaluator works on simple programs (implemented most higher-order functions in it), but the code is organized like crap. and I'm not sure I made the correct cut between "builtin procedures" and e.g. keywords such as "lambda". 1828379;1529607455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neh, 'put forth to yourself' 1828380;1529607462;mircea_popescu;then exactly. 1828381;1529607472;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you'll find that ro translates, generally, cleanly, to ru 1828382;1529607477;asciilifeform;and prolly other human languages 1828383;1529607482;mod6;Hi all. So we're trying to figure out what we can do here regarding the s.mg hot-spare box. 1828384;1529607486;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1828385;1529607487;asciilifeform;( vs island patois ) 1828386;1529607510;mircea_popescu;mod6 last i heard and signed off on, alf's gonna put the cuntoo on the box as soon as you folks have it. 1828387;1529607532;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: translates ok, as i currently see it , even to jp ( but asciilifeform would not yet undertake such a thing ) 1828388;1529607543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for your lulz file, google thinks представьте себе = "represent yourself". 1828389;1529607550;mircea_popescu;note the ambiguity, "represent ~to others~" 1828390;1529607586;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: google translator is pretty much same 1970s lultron as produced 'the vodka is tasty but the meat -- rotten' from 'spirit is willing but flesh is weak', famously 1828391;1529607596;mircea_popescu;justaboot. 1828392;1529607629;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's pet is working through learning ru, and periodically succumbs to temptation of google translate as 'learning tool', with predictably lulzy result 1828393;1529607653;mircea_popescu;putin doesn't understand how the world works. 1828394;1529607664;asciilifeform;the meat, see , was rotten!11 1828395;1529607688;mod6;And what we're proposing is this: 1) the bitcoin foundation will give S.MG its SAMSUNG 1tb ssd - we can get that drive into the hot-spare-environment and get it racked in the next i.e. 48 hours. This will allow diana_coman to boot up and do whatever testing/gymnstaics she needs. meanwhile 2) Pizarro will make 1st order of 5 1tb ssds from shitazon and have those shipped asap. They should arrive by about mid 1828396;1529607694;mod6;-july. 3) Upon receipt of the first drive shipment, we can add those additional drives to the hot-spare-evironment - as needed. They'll be earmarked for S.MG. 4) Pizarro will then actually place another order of 5 drives to be shipped just to have on hand. 1828397;1529607723;mircea_popescu;mod6 a) why not just sell it to pizarro and b) it's really no rush, end of the month's fine. 1828398;1529607753;asciilifeform;mod6, mircea_popescu : it was my understanding that mircea_popescu & diana_coman wanted a test bed, and will eventually swap back to orig s.mg box; so not clear if the spare needs a full adult raid 1828399;1529607760;mod6;I've just been told that I don't even need to give S.MG a drive, or sell it one. Apparently I misunderstood and there already is a drive available for this environment. Just one, and that's alwasys been there iirc. 1828400;1529607778;mircea_popescu;a ok. anyway, don't stress out about it neh. 1828401;1529607795;mod6;asciilifeform: aha, they can decide to add the additional drives any time after the first shipment is received. Totally up to S.MG. 1828402;1529607804;ben_vulpes;nah no stress, workin out how to best serve s.mg 1828403;1529607812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only catch is that "o wait, kernel now dun work" 1828404;1529607830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can backup to the larger box, neh 1828405;1529607847;mircea_popescu;can what ? 1828406;1529607849;asciilifeform;( or off-site, via net, like errybody ) 1828407;1529607854;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if disk failure is the concern 1828408;1529607860;asciilifeform;or do i misunderstand 'kernel now dunwork' 1828409;1529607864;mircea_popescu;no, the idea is, she stands up a working pile on the non-raid system, attempts to move it over, it don't boot, because raid. 1828410;1529607869;mod6;Anyway, that's what I'm thinkin. We stand up what we have onhand for S.MG. And meanwhile, we order 5 1Tb SSDs for immediate shipment. When recieved, we ship another 5. 1828411;1529607875;ben_vulpes;box can come up for testing with the spare ssd drive held for s.mg raid redundancy; then reprovision with cuntoo later in the month and the fat stack of SSDs to flesh out the raid array for the production cutover. 1828412;1529607882;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i procured, for this reason, identical raid cards for all 1828413;1529607895;mircea_popescu;ah, so then adult raid, just not adult populated. this seems fine. 1828414;1529607898;asciilifeform;correct 1828415;1529607907;mircea_popescu;right. i dun see a problem. 1828416;1529607918;diana_coman;sounds ok to me too 1828417;1529607924;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828353 << Sam25218 23F "I think my vagina just made the windows shut down noise. Begone you irksome cockwomble." 1828418;1529607924;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 18:49 mircea_popescu: anyone wanna guess her comeback ? 1828419;1529607932;mircea_popescu;imagine, her netherparts run on microshit! 1828420;1529607938;asciilifeform;pretty great 1828421;1529607945;asciilifeform;couldn't make these up, i swear 1828422;1529607953;mod6;bsov 1828423;1529607958;mircea_popescu;dumbass earnestly didn't even imagine how fucktardedly ridiculous she is. 1828424;1529607991;mircea_popescu;but i suppose this is what you get for wiping back to front 1828425;1529608006;*;asciilifeform misread as 'whipping back to front', was puzzled 1828426;1529608022;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 a) why not just sell it to pizarro and b) it's really no rush, end of the month's fine. << thanks for the time horizon. we'll plan on getting the hot-spare racked and going for sure by end of June. 1828427;1529608084;asciilifeform;mod6: box is racked, needs disks, FG, nic cord. 1828428;1529608123;mod6;we've got FGs, and iirc, we've also got two remaining USB-TTLs right? 1828429;1529608126;*;asciilifeform insisted on bolting the spare boxen into the rack, given as it is really 2man job 1828430;1529608185;mod6;lobbes: you still wanna buy & ship some SSDs for pizarro for BTC? chat us up in #pizarro about the details. 1828431;1529608333;mod6;im assuming we also have spare ethernet cords down ther 1828432;1529608343;mod6;so we should be good to go then to meet our EoM deadline. 1828433;1529608602;mod6;ok, seems like we only have 1 USB-TTL still available on site. 1828434;1529608627;asciilifeform;mod6: ben_vulpes the other day agreed to finally send his stash 1828435;1529608631;*;asciilifeform brb,meat 1828436;1529608631;mod6;Maybe that's ok to just get one FG up and running for the test environment? We're shipping addtional ones down there asap as well. They'll come separately from the SSDs though. 1828437;1529608664;mod6;(we'll obv. add the second one in there as soon as the addtional USB-TTLs arrive) 1828438;1529608728;diana_coman;mod6, when is the eta for having them? 1828439;1529608737;diana_coman;i.e. the ssds and the full set of fg 1828440;1529608800;ben_vulpes;end of july for the whole package 1828441;1529608819;mircea_popescu;mod6 one's plenty sure. 1828442;1529608845;mircea_popescu;hmm... did i just step in it ? 1828443;1529608900;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, it's certainly fine for testing at this stage; presumably later if we get everything compiling fine and bring eucrypt in we might want to have both but it's not at all a requirement atm 1828444;1529608923;mircea_popescu;if indeed we just move it back to old one during a wed downtime, we need nothing. 1828445;1529608942;mircea_popescu;anywya, just trying to work with these fellows within their surprising constraints. 1828446;1529608955;mod6;ok sounds like a plan then. thanks for being flexible here. 1828447;1529608986;diana_coman;if we can indeed just move it over on a wed downtime then yes, not needed for sure; 1828448;1529609024;mod6;i'll even go one further... if the FG USB-TTL becomes a pressing issue, for some reason, I'll give ya mine from my rockchip. 1828449;1529609040;mod6;i'll take another one when the shipment arrives in .uy, no problem at all. 1828450;1529609057;mircea_popescu;that;s the hope, anywya. we see. 1828451;1529613504;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/ << Trilema - Wood impregnated in oil, a metaphor. 1828452;1529615427;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828348 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736830 << I see the discussion threads, but didn't find the post on thetarpit.org 1828453;1529615427;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 18:47 asciilifeform: trinque: naa wasn't a heathen link, was selfmade thing 1828454;1529615427;a111;Logged on 2017-11-12 23:07 spyked: in other news, I've been using most of my spare cycles lisping in ada. should be able to wrap up a blog post sharing a very minimal prototype (sane implem. of repl doing nothing but basic ops) in a few weeks. what I've got now adheres to most of ffa constraints. the current version isn't very clean, but getting there... 1828455;1529615712;asciilifeform;trinque: loox like it hasn't climbed to post level of yet 1828456;1529615797;trinque;nbd, just went a-lookin 1828457;1529616539;ben_vulpes;https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/19/17480912/github-ice-linkedin-scraping-employees << "no pretty please don't be hunting us down" 1828458;1529616555;mircea_popescu;in ongoing lulz, "A v Hoare, [2008] UKHL 6 is a leading tort case in British law, decided by the House of Lords in 2008. The Lords held that the limitation period for actions founded on torts of negligence may be disapplied where it is inequitable to enforce it." 1828459;1529616700;mircea_popescu;this resulted in a 50k win by the "victim" and a 800k win in "court costs". 1828460;1529616887;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827686 << cannot hit that URL from here 1828461;1529616887;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 07:38 lobbes: speaking of, trinque could I get http://blog.lobbesblog.com/feed/ added to blogroll? 1828462;1529616908;trinque;nor root of the site 1828463;1529617783;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828147 << that fucking movie. first, i was pissed off none of the characters were capable of saying ~anything~ of substance about [finance, trading, anything-at-all], then i realized it's an accurate portrayal. still not sure if the thing's deliberately honest or all responsible are so clueless the kitsch was actually supposed to impress. 1828464;1529617783;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 16:33 mircea_popescu: rewatched http://trilema.com/2011/margin-call/ last nite ; hanbot was all "wtf is with these idiots, tax man takes 50% right off the top, and that's it ? no comment, not even a groan, not even 'how about you pay me the real amt you pay me rather than pretend double' zero ??" 1828465;1529619233;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: pretty lulzy; 'dox' of usg monkeys, posted to... shithub 1828466;1529619238;asciilifeform;weev-level wtf 1828467;1529619445;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i had nfi brit prisoners could play lottery, lol 1828468;1529619463;asciilifeform;( iirc in usa they cannot ) 1828469;1529619500;asciilifeform;in usa they are sometimes able to publish books, tho, and routinely dekulakized by court 1828470;1529619641;asciilifeform;( and other variations on the theme, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474626 ) 1828471;1529619641;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 16:27 shinohai: http://ktla.com/2016/05/31/prosecutors-fight-to-stop-san-bernardino-shooters-family-from-getting-250000-life-insurance-claim/ 1828472;1529619794;asciilifeform;https://archive.li/cwjsO << vintage lul via the hoare thing. rapee was given... medal. 1828473;1529619892;asciilifeform;the Pantsuit Iron Cross, or sumthing. 1828474;1529619956;asciilifeform;'The honours were created in 1917 by King George V during the First World War as a way of rewarding civilians and servicemen in support positions for their contribution to the war effort. Now they are used to recognise an achievement or service to the community in any area, such as the arts, charity or education. According to the Cabinet Office, an MBE is given for an "outstanding achievement or service to the community.' 1828475;1529619959;asciilifeform;didjaknow !! 1828476;1529620032;asciilifeform;obummernobel-grade lulz. 1828477;1529620141;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828460 << nor from here. lobbes i suspect that your box is down 1828478;1529620141;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 21:34 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827686 << cannot hit that URL from here 1828479;1529620534;ben_vulpes;hanbot: did you only cover debit cards in "state of the cards" and not gift cards because buying gift cards with btc is a terrible idea for some reason? 1828480;1529620535;asciilifeform;re shithub-hosted 'dox' -- asciilifeform suspects that it is same dynamic as the oh-so-'oppressed' sov poet types who sent their megaworx straight to союз писателей , to be reliably oh-so-censored , rather than samizdat, for the obvious reason 1828481;1529620583;asciilifeform;(i.e. they're blue-usg, live on 'oh we are so censored'-by-redusg , more so than on bread ) 1828482;1529620677;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: didja turn up somebody claiming to do it ? 1828483;1529620798;ben_vulpes;btcfor.gifts 1828484;1529620813;ben_vulpes;(of all wacky dns entries) 1828485;1529620879;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: didja try it ? 1828486;1529620884;ben_vulpes;incidentally, first btc affiliate program i've found in the wild, so will probably throw some change at them as well to see what comes of that 1828487;1529620896;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: buy a small one, see what happens ? 1828488;1529620897;asciilifeform;ah ok 1828489;1529620914;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'm thinking about ~50 bucks worth, see if it works as promised 1828490;1529620933;asciilifeform;iirc this type of shop popped up periodically in the olden days 1828491;1529620999;ben_vulpes;same with the affiliate thing; 'a-ads'; i know mircea_popescu said that nobody uses anything but clickbank, but i can't pay 'em in btc and the amlkyc is thick over there as well; so, fifty bucks, see how bad the results can possibly be 1828492;1529621034;ben_vulpes;("a-ads.com") 1828493;1529621296;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/#comment-126055 1828494;1529621319;ben_vulpes;who look to have bounced off the early republic sometime in 2014 1828495;1529621445;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aarsenische+ 1828496;1529623892;BingoBoingo; ok, seems like we only have 1 USB-TTL still available on site. << We have 2 1828497;1529623897;BingoBoingo;At least 1828498;1529623966;mod6;ahh, nice! 1828499;1529623970;mod6;thanks for the update BingoBoingo 1828500;1529624435;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828463 << in the usual poltronish manner of the place, they'll argue both. 1828501;1529624435;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 21:49 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828147 << that fucking movie. first, i was pissed off none of the characters were capable of saying ~anything~ of substance about [finance, trading, anything-at-all], then i realized it's an accurate portrayal. still not sure if the thing's deliberately honest or all responsible are so clueless the kitsch was actually supposed to impress. 1828502;1529624454;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828479 << nah, not specifically. just not-in-scope. 1828503;1529624454;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 22:35 ben_vulpes: hanbot: did you only cover debit cards in "state of the cards" and not gift cards because buying gift cards with btc is a terrible idea for some reason? 1828504;1529624470;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828472 << quite so. for "her merits". 1828505;1529624470;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 22:23 asciilifeform: https://archive.li/cwjsO << vintage lul via the hoare thing. rapee was given... medal. 1828506;1529624522;hanbot;re "they'll argue both" -- i'm sure, i don't expect to get an answer out of *them* lol 1828507;1529624790;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828492 << the results are bad in the sense discussed in http://trilema.com/2012/coinurl-a-bitcoin-advertising-service/ / http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/#footnote_3_62044 1828508;1529624790;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 22:43 ben_vulpes: ("a-ads.com") 1828509;1529624810;mircea_popescu;to put it shortly, one line here is ~infinity% the advertising any such item can produce for you. they have 0 base. 1828510;1529624836;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the quite obvious question of why would one even entertain a wanna-be bitcoin thing that's uppity enough to not be here in the first place. 1828511;1529624910;mircea_popescu;since we're doing "ancient trilemas apparently nobody read", i guess could also add http://trilema.com/2012/advertising-on-digitalpoint/ (which'd have been the natural comparison point to the "digitalpoint advertising report" i'm guessing absolutely is not getting done, unless i put it on hanbot's plate or something. blergh.) 1828512;1529626313;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-supreme-courts-mentions-but-does-not-influence-bitcoin-covetous-bryer-abuses-language-suggesting-taxman-steal-a-bit-more/ << Qntra - US Supreme Courts Mentions But Does Not Influence Bitcoin Covetous Bryer Abuses Language Suggesting Taxman Steal A Bit More 1828513;1529626846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can haz link re the current-day sad-wykeham ? 1828514;1529626880;mircea_popescu;some dood williamson, dunno what link ? 1828515;1529626890;asciilifeform;where did he 'unknowable heap level' 1828516;1529626906;asciilifeform;does this live on the net somewhere 1828517;1529626923;mircea_popescu;um i dunno if it does. lessee 1828518;1529626952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform turns out you're in luck, https://www.jstor.org/stable/20012695 1828519;1529626959;asciilifeform;oh hah , ty 1828520;1529626990;mircea_popescu;though i would propose you do not spend 40 bucks for those 13 pages. 1828521;1529627010;asciilifeform;lol paywall. but asciilifeform can't even be arsed to excavate the warez, pg1 says it all 1828522;1529627023;asciilifeform;~shannonizer. 1828523;1529627031;mircea_popescu;anyway, this isn't by any means a recent event. 1828524;1529627040;asciilifeform;didn't think it was 1828525;1529627041;mircea_popescu;it's been the laughingstock of people in the field for years. 1828526;1529627280;asciilifeform;'fda grade a' liquishit; sokal nervously smokes in corner 1828527;1529627498;asciilifeform;re the giftcard thing, vintage lultrain comes to mind, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-13#499338 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667724 1828528;1529627498;a111;Logged on 2014-02-13 01:04 asciilifeform: incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response (as appears to be the plan) - every ATM becomes a btc-ATM. 1828529;1529627498;a111;Logged on 2017-06-09 16:08 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/i1Usl << from same fishwrap >> 'Two members of the US Army National Guard have been convicted of running a credit card fraud scheme involving bitcoin... using bitcoins to purchase stolen credit and debit card numbers... using magnetic strip re-encoding tools to apply stolen numbers to dummy cards, after which they would buy merchandise from Army and Air Force Exchange Service stores at US military bases, as well a 1828530;1529627508;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828522 << quite exactly, very much in the sense of ... damn, where's that discussion in the logs about the idiot who perceives it's more productive to her to say "something new" than something meaningful ? 1828531;1529627508;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 00:23 asciilifeform: ~shannonizer. 1828532;1529627542;mircea_popescu;in any case, it's the necessary collision of that whole process when it finally loses historicity, and "something new" is "inept bullshit smoked by schoolchildren nine centuries ago" 1828533;1529627582;mircea_popescu;this moron literally DID NOT KNOW the position is not even novel, stupid as it may be. 1828534;1529627605;asciilifeform;that'd require chukcha to be a reader ! 1828535;1529627608;asciilifeform;chukcha is not reader. 1828536;1529627619;asciilifeform;chukcha -- writer. 1828537;1529627622;mircea_popescu;his history | grep returned no direct matches and that's it, because he has had a terminal open since the dawn of philosophy and also his regexp magically sees through indirection. 1828538;1529627664;asciilifeform;his 'terminal', running with the analogy, is a winblowz shell. no grep. 1828539;1529627665;mircea_popescu;the whole bumbling edifice of them, "oh, moron idiotssen's ~~~contribution~~~ to mathematics is pointing out that spheres are perfect figures" 1828540;1529627676;mircea_popescu;yes tyvm, scholastical geometry ftw. much productive line of thought. 1828541;1529627725;asciilifeform;( recently it came out, incidentally, that many nato reich 'universities' can no longer afford to feed the paywalls they themselves throw crapola behind ) 1828542;1529627727;mircea_popescu;anyway, whatever, it's the best they can do because it's what they need to believe to continue in the vein of idiocy and so on. whatevs, they really are their own adequate punishments. 1828543;1529628197;asciilifeform;upstack -- err, 1st link in atm lulz oughta have been http://btcbase.org/log/2013-04-04#-33357 1828544;1529628197;a111;Logged on 2013-04-04 19:17 asciilifeform: consider a hardware widget that receives a single-use CC number (for $X) from a hypothetical BTC-enabled bank and writes it to a blank physical ATM card, when you send the bank $X equiv. of BTC. 1828545;1529628378;asciilifeform;in misc vintage lulz from that thread , http://btcbase.org/log/2013-04-04#-33295 actually has since come troo, something like 100% of ru variant of 'sr dope market' deliveries today are via dead drop 1828546;1529628378;a111;Logged on 2013-04-04 19:43 asciilifeform: and virtually nobody appears to be the least bit interested in my (or anyone else's) ideas for cutting the fiat world out of the loop (I suggested product delivery via dead drops, flying machines, other crackpot nuttery) 1828547;1529628396;mircea_popescu;im not going to ask you for an interwebs link :D 1828548;1529628411;asciilifeform;there's like 9000 , mostly 'yet another dead dropper prosecuted' 1828549;1529628429;asciilifeform;the young'uns see it as 'easy money' 1828550;1529628440;mircea_popescu;aha. 1828551;1529628449;asciilifeform;'take these film canisters and bury in places x, y, z, in such-and-such park' 1828552;1529628487;asciilifeform;'закладчики' 1828553;1529628567;asciilifeform;https://archive.li/kC8fJ << picked at ~random. 1828554;1529628640;asciilifeform;there's a ~separate species of dopehead nao, who go 'treasure hunting' without having paid; sometimes get beaten 1828555;1529628650;asciilifeform;( or arrested, confused for emplacers ) 1828556;1529628932;asciilifeform;sentences, supposedly , now >= for murder, this hasn't , reportedly, cut down on the queue of treasure-buriers. 1828557;1529629475;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVjUSGHg0ZU << for dedicated entomologist, typical specimens. 1828558;1529630067;asciilifeform;http://imperiya.by/video/OSHwzlyCAC0/zaderjanyi-zakladchiki-psihotropov.html << shorter, ditto. 1828559;1529630165;asciilifeform;afaik this custom has not spread in usa yet. ( tho tbf i dun follow subj ) 1828560;1529634201;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827972 << i was trying to figure out how that would happen on same machine between invocations until i realized that's neither the issue nor what is going on 1828561;1529634201;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 04:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827945 << "memory optimization" for one thing. 1828562;1529634336;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828088 << ah ty, i didn't realize that was done on top of shiva 1828563;1529634336;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 16:13 mircea_popescu: phf there were takers, mod6 working on rawtx recall ? 1828564;1529634402;mod6;hm? 1828565;1529634458;mod6;The rawtx stuff I've been working on, just is with the old rpc interface. It's going alright, btw, working through the signrawtransaction part. It's a bit hairy. 1828566;1529634516;mod6;I did the others, and sendrawtransaction last year. Getting closer to a point where I can at least test and see where it stands. 1828567;1529635743;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828378 << distinctions like that are often subtle and a matter of taste, but as long as the overal approach is informed now might be a good time to paste what you have. 1828568;1529635743;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 18:57 spyked: asciilifeform, yes, found w4rez. and used it as reference. and the lisp evaluator works on simple programs (implemented most higher-order functions in it), but the code is organized like crap. and I'm not sure I made the correct cut between "builtin procedures" and e.g. keywords such as "lambda". 1828569;1529635951;mircea_popescu;mod6 oh i thought you were using the tinyscheme 1828570;1529636034;mod6;Ah, no. After the educational dive and I have something that works, could take that knowledge and implement it differently perhaps. 1828571;1529636065;mircea_popescu;guess i got confused! 1828572;1529636095;*;asciilifeform if it wasnt clear, highly disrecommends the continued use of shiva/tscheme for anyffing trb-related 1828573;1529636097;mod6;No worries. This all stems from the failed back-port. 1828574;1529636124;mod6;I've been able to build out the rpc calls without all kinds of crazy class changes to the rest of the code, thus far at least. 1828575;1529636147;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, we kinda laid that to rest a while back. 1828576;1529636152;asciilifeform;aha 1828577;1529636340;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828567 << ideally would be the smallest working 'fits in head' lisp, no frills ( no gc, etc ) 1828578;1529636340;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 02:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828378 << distinctions like that are often subtle and a matter of taste, but as long as the overal approach is informed now might be a good time to paste what you have. 1828579;1529636375;phf;i don't think LiSP even covers gc until much later 1828580;1529636389;asciilifeform;0 optimizations that'd add any mass. 1828581;1529636450;phf;but if he's following along with the book the result should be sufficiently morphable 1828582;1529636478;asciilifeform;ideally (while we're doing idealiae) would have all parsing-related routines, save for 'getchar' and 'putchar', in 'itself' 1828583;1529636514;*;asciilifeform fucking hates tinyscheme's approach of 'gnarly procedural coad for parsing' 1828584;1529636569;asciilifeform;'tis much better imho to include some handsewn 'bytecode' in an array init value, that'd implement the parsing, than the ts-style procedural approach 1828585;1529636581;*;mircea_popescu remembers the good old days when parsing was done ~by the keyboard~, as in the z80 basic. 1828586;1529636582;asciilifeform;( naturally, commented ) 1828587;1529636611;mircea_popescu;push this here button labeled "inkey$" for your eyes only, meatsack. 1828588;1529636612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what parsing, lol, in basic 1828589;1529636617;mircea_popescu;yes well. 1828590;1529636623;asciilifeform;was like 3state statemachine 1828591;1529636626;phf;correct approach is of course common lisp's readtable, but i don't think LiSP covers that 1828592;1529636752;mircea_popescu;in other antiqua, https://www.msx.org/wiki/What_is_MSX%3F 1828593;1529636754;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591147 << oblig 80s basic 1828594;1529636754;a111;Logged on 2016-12-27 17:45 asciilifeform: http://www.retro.co.za/ccc/apple2/paulrsm/6502/INTLST.TXT << woz's much more compact (4kB) float-less basic. 1828595;1529636917;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in dating apps, social media, etcetera https://78.media.tumblr.com/1046e1aa855eea8cdb64d0ca88d98809/tumblr_n95eyz7TzL1tvfj6qo1_1280.jpg 1828596;1529636958;mod6;heh 1828597;1529637850;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828521 << https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6438 john c mallery (for log readers, current symbolics copyright hoarder) and his main contribution to ai memos 1828598;1529637850;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 00:23 asciilifeform: lol paywall. but asciilifeform can't even be arsed to excavate the warez, pg1 says it all 1828599;1529637864;phf;"Hermeneutics: From Textual Explication to Computer Understanding?" 1828600;1529637990;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1828601;1529638056;mircea_popescu;motherfucker this thing is offensive. 1828602;1529638079;mircea_popescu;i see your 1828603;1529638081;mircea_popescu;"Hermeneutics, a branch of continental European philosophy concerned with human understanding and the interpretation of written texts, offers insights that may contribute to the understanding of meaning, translation, architectures for natural language understanding, and even to the methods suitable for scientific inquiry in AI. After briefly reviewing the historical development of hermeneutics as a method of interpretation, t 1828604;1529638081;mircea_popescu;his article examines the contributions of hermeneutics to the human sciences." 1828605;1529638082;mircea_popescu;and raise you a 1828606;1529638119;asciilifeform;!#s mallery 1828607;1529638120;a111;23 results for "mallery", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mallery 1828608;1529638126;asciilifeform;^ see also 1828609;1529638142;mircea_popescu;unsolicited 25F Domme "How about you drop whate..." Is all your subject line shows to me. From glancing at your profile, I assume it was a half ass attempt to order me to do or not do something. Either way, you bore me. Yawn. 1828610;1529638143;mircea_popescu;LordMPofTMSR 37M Master Do you find this pompous busllhit approach ever delivers anything ? 1828611;1529638143;mircea_popescu;unsolicited 25F Domme "Do you find this pompous bullshit approach ever delivers anything ?" Ha. Back at ya. People can read into words with whatever tone or inflection they'd care to imagine. If you think I have to try at all, you're mistaken. I have minimal information on my profile coupled with few photos and I'm already getting new notifications and messages daily. I'm more than happy to wait to organically meet someone I' 1828612;1529638143;mircea_popescu;d consider having as my mentor at an actual event in person. Anything else is extra. Otherwise, you can reread my profile. I'm not to be tamed and I am not taking in any submissives. 1828613;1529638146;mircea_popescu;LordMPofTMSR 37M Master In fucken boise ?! Aaaalright, there's silly, then there's dumb, then there's this, not even sure what to call it. Boise, I guess. Have a great one. 1828614;1529638156;asciilifeform;( tldr - long and enthusiastic career of service to hitler ) 1828615;1529638188;mircea_popescu;because THIS is what it fucking is, you understand me ? 100% no exceptiopns this. "25F domme" ==== usgtarded "scientist" ; and "hermeneutics, that european branch" === "boise, is where ima find my life, and the ummin and thurin stones the angel of morons left behind for me" 1828616;1529638221;mircea_popescu;the provincialism of ustards is not even infuriating it's so god damned subhuman. 1828617;1529638228;asciilifeform;land of potato-plenty 1828618;1529638250;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i recently described "last tango in paris" as "some chick gets raped by a potato". 1828619;1529638260;asciilifeform;lol! 1828620;1529638264;mircea_popescu;because that's what fucking happens ; the potato-plenty has resulted in potato-jaws on potato-skulls. 1828621;1529638376;phf;boise? where's that? 1828622;1529638384;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: enlighten me, do reformatted 'domme' make better pets ? or why else to bother with such 1828623;1529638396;asciilifeform;phf: presumably idaho 1828624;1529638404;mircea_popescu;idaho. 1828625;1529638408;mircea_popescu;WORLDS FAMOUST POTATERS! 1828626;1529638419;asciilifeform;even asciilifeform knew!11 1828627;1529638425;hanbot;"organically meet someone" 0_o 1828628;1529638425;phf;is humor, see, ivan, they think center of earth, but really asshole of america 1828629;1529638425;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you realise, nothing a 20something yo female has to say is meaningful. 1828630;1529638460;mircea_popescu;what do you propose, that if tomorrow cow starts calling itself astronauts ima desist ribeye ? 1828631;1529638471;phf;asciilifeform: i imagine mp casts a wide net, but it's the "doms" that provide most luls 1828632;1529638472;asciilifeform;maekssense 1828633;1529638527;mircea_popescu;phf some chick was like "oh, i expect it's a game of numbers" and i was like "nope. i talk to everyone. statistics is not related to plenitudes." 1828634;1529638603;asciilifeform;twist : shitlife co. wrote eliza to emulate these chix!!11 1828635;1529638632;mircea_popescu;part of the effort is me aspiring to divinity, evidently, but part is exactly that curiosity. 1828636;1529638636;mircea_popescu;i so far dun think so. 1828637;1529638643;asciilifeform;( they, or at least the presented here specimens, do seem to follow pattern... ) 1828638;1529638674;mircea_popescu;i mean, dating sites are ~100% Mechanize::blabla ; but the facebooks twitters etc not yet. 1828639;1529638755;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indulge, what is it ? 1828640;1529638971;phf;well for one, they all talk like the doms they've seen on tv, "i bore me now" "run along little pet" i mean what's next "beg, worm"? 1828641;1529638987;phf;*you bore, but it's a freudian typo 1828642;1529639004;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the root : some inept, clueless servant girl from the shtetl calling herself "domme", some unemployed railroad worker calling himself "wykeham professor of logic", some fucktard calling himself "working for google", these are all STRICTLY the same thing, of the nature of gomer pyle calling itself a heap and the tv set calling itself Boshiba. 1828643;1529639063;mircea_popescu;tulpas, tulpas eerywhere. 1828644;1529639084;mircea_popescu;i suppose we have stalin to thank for that. 1828645;1529640516;mircea_popescu;btw, did we do the "you too can be novelist, buy our narrative card deck and kit" 1800s us entrepreneurialism ? 1828646;1529640534;mircea_popescu;idiots genuinely had this deck, you'd shuffle, deal, and there's another hollywood film. 1828647;1529668740;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828452 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828567 <-- aite, I'ma post a signed tarball (scheduling this for sunday), along with some comments on the implementation. apologies for the huge delay. 1828648;1529668740;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 21:10 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828348 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736830 << I see the discussion threads, but didn't find the post on thetarpit.org 1828649;1529668740;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 02:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828378 << distinctions like that are often subtle and a matter of taste, but as long as the overal approach is informed now might be a good time to paste what you have. 1828650;1529675096;asciilifeform;!!up KimuSan^ 1828651;1529675097;deedbot;KimuSan^ voiced for 30 minutes. 1828652;1529675100;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: hello ? 1828653;1529675466;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828645 << iirc great 17th c jesuit crackpot athanasius kircher invented this. he had one for music composition also. 1828654;1529675466;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 04:08 mircea_popescu: btw, did we do the "you too can be novelist, buy our narrative card deck and kit" 1800s us entrepreneurialism ? 1828655;1529675923;Mocky;This much is obvious to anyone who has worked with code and has half a brain. The lack of this is a good way to spot those with less than half a brain. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828036 1828656;1529675923;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 15:33 asciilifeform: Mocky: to function as a troo vtronicist, gotta grasp the concept, described by e.g. dijkstra, that a line of code you have written is not an asset, but an expense. (specifically, an expense against the time budget of other thinking people, who must read and grasp what you have written. ) 1828657;1529676111;Mocky;I've never had an any involvement with foss project, haven't seen this dynamic. but I don't doubt it. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828318 1828658;1529676111;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 18:26 mircea_popescu: Mocky it's not much, superficially, but it has a lot of downstream. because this is the ~fundamental~ rot of "foss" : that impotent dweebs latch on to it not because of the lofty theoretical goals, but strictly because of the very direct if unspoken power equation, "if i be friends with these guys then girls will be forced ot insert my penis in their vagina by themselves". 1828659;1529676283;KimuSan^;Hi all 1828660;1529676294;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: who might you be ? 1828661;1529676404;KimuSan^;Name's Kim, and I am just another fellow geek, advocate of free speech and liberation of the internet. 1828662;1529676420;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: and what brings you to #trilema ? 1828663;1529676522;KimuSan^;Well I came across a mention of this place when looking for how well anonymous hosting worked these days... As in paid with (mostly) untraceable crypto and hosted without any mention of ownership etc. 1828664;1529676562;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: you may have been misinformed, nobody here is particularly enthusiastic about anonymity 1828665;1529676570;asciilifeform;if anything, quite the opposite 1828666;1529676593;KimuSan^;Then came across a great article on looper-os and decided to see if there were more interesting stuff in here. 1828667;1529676606;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: do you have a www pg? anywhere where it can be read, what exactly do you advocate ? 1828668;1529676709;KimuSan^;Well you can find me on many sites and all fully public. Disconnected.tech, Schulz.kim Schulz.dk and the trails from there. 1828669;1529676723;asciilifeform;( 'i am an advocate of x and y' implies having written something? or do you advocate it at the local pub ) 1828670;1529676735;asciilifeform;hm ok 1828671;1529676841;asciilifeform;i dun see any writing in these links, only a half meg of javascript (ugh) and what loox like empty blog template 1828672;1529676876;KimuSan^;Writen is mostly in print or in letters to local politicians. Besides this I help university students in my spare time and spread my word there.. 1828673;1529676912;asciilifeform;!!up KimuSan^ 1828674;1529676913;deedbot;KimuSan^ voiced for 30 minutes. 1828675;1529676947;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: i recommend to read the chan log, http://btcbase.org/log/ , and make use of the search. 1828676;1529676958;KimuSan^;Thanks. 1828677;1529677017;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: what do you do with the students ? 1828678;1529677080;KimuSan^;Low level programming. Mostly for arm based arch. 1828679;1529677098;*;asciilifeform closes eyes and sees a distinct https://www.oglaf.com/humans/ 1828680;1529677102;KimuSan^;A bit of crypto help from time to time. 1828681;1529677126;asciilifeform;'You can always get my key via keybase.io (I can highly recommend this)' 1828682;1529677129;asciilifeform;!#s keybase 1828683;1529677130;a111;253 results for "keybase", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=keybase 1828684;1529677139;asciilifeform;KimuSan^ ^ see also 1828685;1529677161;KimuSan^;Already using keybase 1828686;1529677169;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: consider reading the log 1828687;1529677197;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: after which you can perhaps try to explain, why did you park your privkey with nsa-operated honeypot 1828688;1529677243;KimuSan^;I place A privkey there. 1828689;1529677287;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: and why would you do this, or encourage 'privacy'/'anonymity' aficionados to do it ? 1828690;1529677349;KimuSan^;Interestingly I have yet to find proof of you NSA honeypot claim, but I hope to find that in your log as it seems like you have such Proof. 1828691;1529677387;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: lol! bear trap that asks you to share privkey with 3rd party, is not proofy enuff? 1828692;1529677508;KimuSan^;Actually my privkey is in my hardware key on my body. What I have I keybase is what I need in order to communicate with others. I see keybase as a good gateway drug to actually get people to start encrypting and signing coo. S 1828693;1529677519;KimuSan^;.. Comms 1828694;1529677546;asciilifeform;why would you host even pubkey on keybase. 1828695;1529677557;asciilifeform;gateway drug to idiocy. 1828696;1529677615;diana_coman;KimuSan^, why do you think that those biting such "gateway drug" (let alone needing that much baiting and so on) *should* "start encrypting" or have anything to do with signing anything? 1828697;1529677736;asciilifeform;diana_coman: normally it takes longer, but asciilifeform's dosimeter already maxed out. this one's all yours. 1828698;1529677761;asciilifeform;'looper-os' for fuckxssake. 1828699;1529677772;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ahahah, loopety loop 1828700;1529677797;KimuSan^;Well don't know about you, but I prefer my communication to be private if needed. Telling that to my old father is close to impossible. Getting him on keybase actually thaught him a lot about why and how. These days we encrypt all communication - even if it is just via a key he uploaded to keybase. 1828701;1529677862;KimuSan^;asciilifeform: why wouldn't I. I have my pub key in many places. 1828702;1529677906;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: how , precisely , does keybase differ from the key escrow db clinton tried to make mandatory ? 1828703;1529677925;diana_coman;KimuSan^, you are effectively saying "I want my father to get X but he can't or won't so I feed him something that *looks* like X and that's great because reasons" 1828704;1529677958;diana_coman;and at any rate you haven't actually answered the question: why ? 1828705;1529677966;KimuSan^;diana_coman: it's called baby steps. 1828706;1529677976;KimuSan^;Why what? 1828707;1529678011;diana_coman;KimuSan^, mno, it's called many things and none of them any good 1828708;1529678058;diana_coman;why should they start encrypting if they don't understand much about it 1828709;1529678088;KimuSan^;Because we are getting to a point ve 1828710;1529678097;KimuSan^;Where it will be needed 1828711;1529678141;KimuSan^;Well have to run off now. I can try to explain more at a later point if you let me. 1828712;1529678162;diana_coman;baby steps is when baby tries to walk for real - with all the bumps and crying that happens; it's not when baby "walks" by having parent holding it in the air and moving its legs as if it was walking, all the time saying for good measure "you are walking baby, yeee" 1828713;1529678163;asciilifeform;lol 'baby steps' where keybase dossiers the plaintexts 1828714;1529678191;asciilifeform;KimuSan^: i recommend to read log for 6 months, then come back , supposing you've learned anything. 1828715;1529678195;asciilifeform;!!down KimuSan^ 1828716;1529678204;diana_coman;KimuSan^, better write your explanation on your blog 1828717;1529678235;diana_coman;possibly several times until it stops going in a loop among other things 1828718;1529678243;diana_coman;!!key KimuSan^ 1828719;1529678244;asciilifeform;these used to be at least entertaining, sometimes. nowadays simply sad. 1828720;1529678244;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/15165D813671452D7E59303D074E93D9645FC9DD.asc 1828721;1529678261;diana_coman;o.O he can at least come back, there is that 1828722;1529678308;asciilifeform;oh hey lol 1828723;1529678320;asciilifeform;this means... 1828724;1529678343;asciilifeform;!!rate KimuSan^ -1 i am to understand that usg has control of this privkey. 1828725;1529678346;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0fe5f/?raw=true 1828726;1529678371;asciilifeform;!!v 3E7CFBF1CAC286324946443FE6AFE0FA9D8651BC20F537DA2E9C00EAFC3D4E7F 1828727;1529678371;deedbot;asciilifeform rated KimuSan^ -1 << i am to understand that usg has control of this privkey. 1828728;1529678374;asciilifeform;convenient. 1828729;1529678436;asciilifeform;maybe, once in an asteroid chance, d00d learns something from this. 1828730;1529678477;*;asciilifeform bbl,tea 1828731;1529681008;mircea_popescu;lmao he's here to drink tea and kick ass, and the tea levels running low... 1828732;1529681263;mod6;:D 1828733;1529681633;asciilifeform;lol 1828734;1529681805;asciilifeform;gotta be the most spectacular speshul-olympics champion logged to date. 1828735;1529681928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the old legend where man buys a watch at flea market, 'it ticks, worx', goes home and there is a little beetle inside, 'ticking' ? 1828736;1529681970;asciilifeform;when beelzebub created the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828612 chix, he still had beetles in stock. nao, seems, ran out... 1828737;1529681970;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 03:29 mircea_popescu: d consider having as my mentor at an actual event in person. Anything else is extra. Otherwise, you can reread my profile. I'm not to be tamed and I am not taking in any submissives. 1828738;1529681982;mircea_popescu;i've not read zee log yet! 1828739;1529681991;asciilifeform;lolk 1828740;1529684044;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828477 << ack, ty for letting me know. I'll try sshing in tonight to rule out webserver failure before I flag down BB to check out the situation manually. (I must say, it is a good feeling knowing that nowhere in this troubleshooting cycle will I need to interface with orcs.) 1828741;1529684044;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 22:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828460 << nor from here. lobbes i suspect that your box is down 1828742;1529686509;*;BingoBoingo running around trying to finish the tramite that gets a door with a lock 1828743;1529686598;ben_vulpes;noice 1828744;1529686755;BingoBoingo;Well, mostly this involves running back and forth fixing sloppy Uruguayo paperwork. 1828745;1529689945;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828640 << literally, "Christ, you are as dumb as a sack of dead cats. You're nothing more than an idiotic little boy with his dick in his hand. How about you drop your dick, because it's as limp as your sense of humour I'd rather set myself on fire and die screaming than have you touch me...but I'm sure other women have told you that Everything you enjoy, everything you think 1828746;1529689945;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 03:42 phf: well for one, they all talk like the doms they've seen on tv, "i bore me now" "run along little pet" i mean what's next "beg, worm"? 1828747;1529689946;mircea_popescu; is good, every part of who you are and what you do isn't worth a moment of my time. So how about you move out of your mother's spare room and grow a pair Oh and fuck off." 1828748;1529689978;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828661 << uh oh. 1828749;1529689978;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 14:06 KimuSan^: Name's Kim, and I am just another fellow geek, advocate of free speech and liberation of the internet. 1828750;1529690633;asciilifeform;in other lulz, nobody noticed this puzzler, so i'ma put it in the l0gz : https://archive.li/i7BRf << cr50 magic rsa keys; the montgomery multiplier etc uses hardcoded constant, 96 word ( i.e. 3072 bit ) for the mults, but the keyblobs are 97 , for some strange reason, in size... 1828751;1529690786;asciilifeform;and , for fyooyoor ref : 1828752;1529690793;asciilifeform;LOADERKEY_A : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/659235CAB1D5C2D6AB2819BD8648B0D5012182DD568D4BE8B222BB7152C5888B 1828753;1529690801;asciilifeform;LOADERKEY_B : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/620344B54A5B77C0D59A9A430097097B0A13758B9902F0593BBF0C7929F4F857 1828754;1529690846;asciilifeform;^ the 3072 bits that actually get rsa'd on 1828755;1529690887;asciilifeform;nao we'll see if the schmucks actually generated 3104-bit key and procrusted it... 1828756;1529690914;asciilifeform;( or , alternatively, they tacked on 32bits of ??? just for lulz ?? ) 1828757;1529691452;asciilifeform;static const uint32_t LOADERKEY_A[RSA_NUM_WORDS + 1] = { ...blah... } where #define RSA_NUM_WORDS 96 ... 1828758;1529691519;mircea_popescu;maybe 1's. 1828759;1529691542;asciilifeform;nope 1828760;1529691545;mircea_popescu;hm 1828761;1529691640;asciilifeform;unused wrds , from the sores, 0x7a8ee958 and 0x5ec138fd respectively. 1828762;1529692484;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/getting-your-messages-out-of-the-shitpile-called-fetlife/ << Trilema - Getting your messages out of the shitpile called Fetlife. 1828763;1529693657;mircea_popescu;lmao this log. 1828764;1529693695;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, so dood has a pubkey on whatever, satan's pastebin. what of it ? 1828765;1529693706;mircea_popescu;if i feel like it i can put your pubkey on keybase, asciilifeform ; what then ? 1828766;1529693735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sin is not that his otherwise healthy pubkey got snarfed by kb 1828767;1529693748;asciilifeform;but walks around spreading plague. 1828768;1529693753;mircea_popescu;!!up KimuSan^ 1828769;1529693753;deedbot;KimuSan^ voiced for 30 minutes. 1828770;1529693770;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude, he's nobody on a stick. how's he even supposed to know what anything is or how it works or why ? 1828771;1529693793;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you feel like ministering to his damned soul, go ahead, who am i to say. 1828772;1529693825;mircea_popescu;not the point. the point is that you're attempting to apply a stick to a donkey that's not even there. 1828773;1529693842;mircea_popescu;beating works in the harem, applied to women ~that love you~. can't go around beating perfect strangers, can you ? 1828774;1529693849;mircea_popescu;i don't mean ~shouldn't~. i literally mean, can not. 1828775;1529693870;asciilifeform;'fellow geeks', 'anonymity', 'keybase', 3 kilometres of js in 3 empty blogs... 1828776;1529693884;mircea_popescu;ya well. so he ain't got much to show for himself. 1828777;1529693897;mircea_popescu;unlike about 7bn of them, he's on the cusp of becoming aware. 1828778;1529693936;asciilifeform;what he oughta begin with, is to make new ( what'll he lose ) pub, and try ~not~ sending the priv to clinto. 1828779;1529693936;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824857 << recall I said this, but didn't negrate 1828780;1529693936;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 02:09 asciilifeform: '14 year old cunt routine' to uninvested intelligent n00b is not so diff. but watever. 1828781;1529693945;asciilifeform;then can proceed with building identity. 1828782;1529694017;asciilifeform;( my verdict was based strictly on the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828688 utterance. and it ain't even clear whether d00d knows what is priv vs pub... ) 1828783;1529694017;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 14:20 KimuSan^: I place A privkey there. 1828784;1529694068;asciilifeform;this is rather like being unclear on which end of pistol the bullet goes out of. danger to self and others. 1828785;1529694381;mircea_popescu;i don't get what harm you see in pubkey diffusion. 1828786;1529694399;mircea_popescu;it's supposed to be in enemy hands, as part and parcel of what rsa asym cipher is. 1828787;1529694405;asciilifeform;pub ? none. but when d00d proclaims that his priv is public -- then what. 1828788;1529694406;trinque;well, dood said "privkey" 1828789;1529694425;asciilifeform;wouldja rate a phuctored key, that literally anybody can sign with ? 1828790;1529694446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where did this happen ? 1828791;1529694487;asciilifeform;y'know, like in http://btcbase.org/log/2013-01-17#-161063 1828792;1529694487;a111;Logged on 2013-01-17 00:32 mircea_popescu: ;;rate rg -1 from what I understand person no longer has sole control of private key. 1828793;1529694507;mircea_popescu;this is circular. where did it ~happen~, not where you reported it happening ? 1828794;1529694524;asciilifeform;d00d himself, in linked line, reported, neh 1828795;1529694530;asciilifeform;why should i not believe him ? 1828796;1529694544;phf;mircea_popescu: keybase can also be used to store private keys, it's my understanding that the person in question put his private key on keybase http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828688 1828797;1529694544;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 14:20 KimuSan^: I place A privkey there. 1828798;1529694552;mircea_popescu;oh. 1828799;1529694555;asciilifeform;that's how i read it. 1828800;1529694563;mircea_popescu;i just automaticvally read "pubkey" 1828801;1529694575;asciilifeform;lol 1828802;1529694582;mircea_popescu;i see! 1828803;1529694633;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a significant difference between rg you link and this. at the time i did that, "rg" was well known, the measure was protective. 1828804;1529694652;asciilifeform;could defensibly argue that my rating wastes space on trinque's disk 1828805;1529694653;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between saying "alf lost his privkey" and "nobody lost privkey" 1828806;1529694681;asciilifeform;but i can't picture posrating a hitler-escrowed key. 1828807;1529694685;mircea_popescu;comes right back to, "you wasted prime whip leather on what might have been a beetle" 1828808;1529694702;asciilifeform;motivation described in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828729 . 1828809;1529694702;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 14:40 asciilifeform: maybe, once in an asteroid chance, d00d learns something from this. 1828810;1529694706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform never played those old amiga games with limited ammo counts ? 1828811;1529694711;asciilifeform;sure did 1828812;1529694731;asciilifeform;d00d should be honoured, that precious bullet was spent on him. 1828813;1529694739;mircea_popescu;lol. 1828814;1529694752;mircea_popescu;aaanyways. 1828815;1529694794;mircea_popescu;KimuSan^ come back later/whatever with a diff key, and don't say things you shouldn't say which you can't possibly know in advance hence the "read logs" thing. 1828816;1529694811;mircea_popescu;our highly in-group culture DEMANDS IT!111 1828817;1529694870;asciilifeform;d00d who doesn't know not to escrow his priv with clitler, has a bit of study to do before he can graduate into kindergarten. 1828818;1529694952;mircea_popescu;what'd be your definition of "technonomad" ? 1828819;1529695029;asciilifeform;nfi 1828820;1529695032;mircea_popescu;for my own needs i go with "neet who '''learned things''' from websites". there's a significant contingent of these, and they all behave the exact same way because they never were in school and so they don't have reflexivity in their toolbox. you propose to just ban the whole class ? 1828821;1529695064;asciilifeform;not ban as such. but gotta have ~some~ minimal notion of hygiene to be fit even for remedial schooling. 1828822;1529695098;asciilifeform;d00d is welcome to come back with new key. 1828823;1529695124;mircea_popescu;alright, this is perfectly reasonable. but is this hygiene to be implemented as "mentions keybase, dead" sorta "has fleas, firing squad" ? 1828824;1529695174;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in wooden musical instruments with strings, https://78.media.tumblr.com/9d953edcfa63aef3f8f8a95d903e4000/tumblr_p4jw7uwJ2F1ty964ho1_400.gif 1828825;1529696125;mod6;the wooden hammer fountain 1828826;1529700553;asciilifeform;!!up KimuSan^ 1828827;1529700554;deedbot;KimuSan^ voiced for 30 minutes. 1828828;1529701096;ben_vulpes;motherfucker, localbitcoins uses multisig deposit addresses 1828829;1529701129;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it has a centralized escrow box, or how ? 1828830;1529701210;ben_vulpes;yup 1828831;1529701253;asciilifeform;so it's more or less ~= shitpay ? sux 1828832;1529701602;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes will end up trading mocky 3coins for proper 1coins etc ? 1828833;1529701659;asciilifeform;would have to be vice-versa neh 1828834;1529701666;asciilifeform;proper for 3heathen 1828835;1529701720;mircea_popescu;right 1828836;1529701747;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in bioengineering, https://78.media.tumblr.com/95e44d2f64bd9ce360b91720c794faae/tumblr_n4nx1bjRPb1qlg3fvo1_1280.jpg 1828837;1529701792;ben_vulpes;once one has the 3coin, it's a single transaction to transmute into a 1coin iirc? or did we settle on "anything with a 3 in the transactionhistory is badshit" 1828838;1529701829;mircea_popescu;not afaik 1828839;1529701852;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: trb is happy to ~eat~ anyonecanspendolade, just won't shit it 1828840;1529701879;asciilifeform;different matter is how many block's worth of confirm you want to wait to cover the horror with, before carrying on 1828841;1529701885;mircea_popescu;^ 1828842;1529701910;ben_vulpes;right 1828843;1529701932;mircea_popescu;to review this : 3address bitcoin can be spent to proper 1address bitcoin by ~anyone~, at ~any time~. in practice these anyone and any time variables will be set by the miner cartel that finally pulls the plug on the 3address shitshow. 1828844;1529701964;mircea_popescu;meanwhile 1address bitcoin that was in a 3address at any point can be spent by the above anyone, but not at any time. at only such a time as he's willing and capable to replace the chain with an alt chain. 1828845;1529701979;mircea_popescu;leaving the will aside, this is only feasible for short time intervals. 1828846;1529702007;asciilifeform;once it's been sent to a 1actualbitcoinaddr, the usual dynamics (e.g. traditional '6 conf') apply 1828847;1529702032;mircea_popescu;moreover, considering the sums involved here, you can simply not gas. 1828848;1529702054;mircea_popescu;nobody's leting fenrir off the chain simply to steal your coupla grand or what is it. 1828849;1529702063;ben_vulpes;suresure 1828850;1529702110;asciilifeform;considering tho that bbet was torpedoes over a quite comparable (weighed in orcbux, at least) sum -- not so sure 1828851;1529702241;mircea_popescu;technically different items tho. but anyway, worth finding out >,< 1828852;1529702246;asciilifeform;surely 1828853;1529702266;asciilifeform;'reconnaissance by fire' 1828854;1529702284;mircea_popescu;well... by luscious nude virgins, as the case may be, but yes. 1828855;1529702406;mircea_popescu;or, in recent quotes, "I don't believe that I am the right person to join your lifestyle. Especially since I am very new to this side. I don't have experience and your lifestyle seems a bit intimidating for me, as a beginner." 1828856;1529702435;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu's reply , 'practice with a road cone for 6mo, come back' 1828857;1529702452;mircea_popescu;lol. you know you'r make a terrible mp-on-fet ? 1828858;1529702460;asciilifeform;prolly 1828859;1529702473;asciilifeform;( terrible violinist, too, while we're at it ) 1828860;1529702484;mircea_popescu;you mean with the hammer or in general ? 1828861;1529702491;asciilifeform;with violin 1828862;1529702549;*;mircea_popescu thinks he makes great violinist, though no violin professor ever agreed. 1828863;1529702555;asciilifeform;lol 1828864;1529702563;asciilifeform;was speaking of self strictly. 1828865;1529702577;mircea_popescu;admittedly my violining guidebook is both shorter and significantly different from the commonly held. 1828866;1529702584;asciilifeform;haa 1828867;1529702591;mircea_popescu;a) better be LOUD and b) if no strings snap you're doing it wrongly. 1828868;1529702609;asciilifeform;this, now this standard, can meet! 1828869;1529702611;ben_vulpes;black sabbath violin aha 1828870;1529702619;mircea_popescu;see alf ? just a matter of perspective! 1828871;1529702626;asciilifeform;practiced lotsa with saw ! 1828872;1529702629;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1828873;1529702651;mircea_popescu;you know the 90s pantsuit story about "black kid practiced for president with" uh no sorry, the other one 1828874;1529702663;mircea_popescu;"kid in africa practiced olympic jumps on cardboard pile" 1828875;1529702669;asciilifeform;btw iirc at one time saw was a popular 'hipster' musical (yes) instrument 1828876;1529702673;asciilifeform;wonder where it disappeared to 1828877;1529702699;mircea_popescu;if jew harp is jew harp therefore saw is polak mandolin ? 1828878;1529702728;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSXJlwjGzHU << apparently still exists! 1828879;1529702747;phf;asciilifeform: it's still around, in new orleans and such you can see crust punks playing it in "old timey" bands 1828880;1529702770;phf;also washboard 1828881;1529702825;asciilifeform;i guess if a thing can hold a standing wave, it's instrument for ~somebody~ somewhere 1828882;1529702885;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: iirc you've used lbtc in living memory, what heathen abortion did you use to send to the 3addr? 1828883;1529703026;mircea_popescu;washboard is very much ozarks. 1828884;1529703036;*;mircea_popescu personally met "soap hands" old lady. 1828885;1529703078;ben_vulpes;dang, teh crashing 1828886;1529703107;mircea_popescu;o look at that, sub 6k btc! 1828887;1529703156;mircea_popescu;and o look, hardware theremin! 1828888;1529703167;asciilifeform;exactly 1828889;1529703298;asciilifeform;( phunphakt, leo theremin joined kpss in... 1991. asked why, 'i promised my friend, lenin' ) 1828890;1529703343;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: iirc you've used lbtc in living memory, what heathen abortion did you use to send to the 3addr? << I used my 0.7 fork 1828891;1529703436;ben_vulpes;ah 1828892;1529704070;mircea_popescu;"This is the 3d fucking time I’ve deleted this shit, but I keep coming back. I don’t know what sex(s) I like yet, so I feel like if I keep labeling my self as something I’m not that’s not really fair to the person fucking w/ me." 1828893;1529704109;mircea_popescu;penned by "fatkittyvslogic", if it wasn't directly evident. 1828894;1529704122;ben_vulpes;well this is a fuckin doozy; i'm trying to get trb to cough up a transaction that spends 0.00420032 to one address, 6.65784110 to another address, and spends 0.00021850 in fees, all of which my arithmetic pad shows summing to 6.66225992 btc, but trb complains of "insufficient funds". can someone doublecheck my maffs? 1828895;1529704257;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 0.00420032+ 0.00021850+6.65784110 1828896;1529704257;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 6.66225992 1828897;1529704280;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes odds are you're either not setting the fee correctly, or else the inputs are so numerous it won't send with the fee you set. 1828898;1529704319;ben_vulpes; "paytxfee" : 0.00021850, 1828899;1529704339;ben_vulpes;and afaik only spending a single output 1828900;1529704341;mircea_popescu;roughly speaking, fee in satoshi / 4 / (count of inputs + count of outputs ) should come over w/e value 100 or w/e it is. 1828901;1529704535;ben_vulpes;next thing i'm going to try is manually walk the spend-to-self down by 100 satoshis until this trb shits a tx out and then look at what it produces 1828902;1529704567;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 3467 is the value i get with that algo 1828903;1529704571;mircea_popescu;is this trb ? 1828904;1529704574;ben_vulpes;this is trb 1828905;1529704702;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes current fees per byte are more in the 50k satoshi range you're aware. it kinda jumped, https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-transactionfees.html#3m 1828906;1529704804;ben_vulpes;i wasn't aware that it was 50ksat/byte, no, but nevertheless trb shouldn't even be aware of that. orthogonal issue, isn't it? 1828907;1529704832;mircea_popescu;that algo's per kb not per byte. 1828908;1529704864;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, it's orthogonal, yes. 1828909;1529704884;mod6;trb should just shit out a tx 1828910;1529704905;mircea_popescu;mod6 unless he set up a minimum fee somewhere, though i don't recall how exactly that all works. 1828911;1529704919;mod6;whether it gets picked up quickly or not, depends on the fee. 1828912;1529704928;ben_vulpes;bitcoinfees.earn.com suggests cutoff around ~50 sat/byte, but still, orthogonal 1828913;1529704947;mod6;are you trying to empty the wallet and are somehow off by a few satoshi? 1828914;1529704968;mircea_popescu;if you try to send it with a lower fee than the level you set it to use it'll throw an error ; the rule for trb is to throw useless incomprehensible if not outright misguiding errors. 1828915;1529704971;ben_vulpes;mod6: see that's why i asked for a spot check on the maths 1828916;1529705034;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's either a) dust inputs you don't know about or b) min fee config conflict. 1828917;1529705064;ben_vulpes;pretty confident that there's no dust at play, so i'll look for this min fee config 1828918;1529705616;ben_vulpes;alternatively, recompile with useful need/have numbers in http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#0914 1828919;1529705752;asciilifeform;in other noose..... 1828920;1529705780;asciilifeform;...on second thought i'ma double- and triple- check this before i end up pons-and-fleischmanning this. 1828921;1529705883;asciilifeform;( attentive log readers prolly guessed already, what asciilifeform might have seen just nao ) 1828922;1529705907;*;ben_vulpes hoping for a garbokey 1828923;1529705922;ben_vulpes;but shitting in other hand 1828924;1529705926;asciilifeform;lol 1828925;1529705958;asciilifeform;gotta verify that it really is garbo, rather than endian trick on my end or the like 1828926;1529706244;mircea_popescu;edges of our seats. 1828927;1529706276;mircea_popescu;actually, nevermind seats ; ima sit down on a human back for this one. 1828928;1529706285;asciilifeform;lol! 1828929;1529706307;asciilifeform;phf or anybody with a free hand or 2, plox to review http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828750 , see if i am missing sumthing 1828930;1529706307;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 18:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, nobody noticed this puzzler, so i'ma put it in the l0gz : https://archive.li/i7BRf << cr50 magic rsa keys; the montgomery multiplier etc uses hardcoded constant, 96 word ( i.e. 3072 bit ) for the mults, but the keyblobs are 97 , for some strange reason, in size... 1828931;1529706515;asciilifeform;the perplexing thing, supposing there is no eggog in my toolchain, that the mod dun have a multiplicative inverse, it is unclear to me how the fuckers could've signed with it 1828932;1529706811;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/659235CAB1D5C2D6AB2819BD8648B0D5012182DD568D4BE8B222BB7152C5888B << subj. 1828933;1529706911;asciilifeform;if nobody finds obvious mistake, i guess i'ma have to pull an actual enemy signature out of the binariola, and see wtf 1828934;1529706946;asciilifeform;( erry cr50 fw upgrade bin has no fewer than 2 such sigs ) 1828935;1529706992;asciilifeform;for all i know, actual mod in the livefire fw is entirely diff, and this one is a cheap lultrap 1828936;1529707042;mircea_popescu;i would actually say go for it. 1828937;1529707057;mircea_popescu;the cheap lultrap dun seem directed at you. 1828938;1529707081;asciilifeform;yea only 1 way to settle this. 1828939;1529707167;asciilifeform;well actually there's an obvious 2nd. 1828940;1529707172;*;asciilifeform bbl 1828941;1529707185;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "i have nfi how this game is played", https://78.media.tumblr.com/86a15e945803ef886f2686209efa7dc5/tumblr_od2ygdgPdj1r1ds4io1_1280.jpg 1828942;1529707204;mircea_popescu;how they managed to waste all the rooks with most of the pawns still in the way is an exercise left to the specialists. 1828943;1529707308;mircea_popescu;culture of superficial witnits, why not set down the famous fischer-panno or something of kasparov's or w/e. 1828944;1529708941;asciilifeform;btw to complete the lulz, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F60619EE250B3A56C6676CEBA8260E8AF057DE12446829A25BA36B638174A2ED 1828945;1529709162;mircea_popescu;awww 1828946;1529710007;mircea_popescu;and in other unexpected bitcoin, https://archive.is/xLJBg#selection-881.15-881.22 1828947;1529710117;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: correct as always http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=makefiles#0035 1828948;1529710140;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://cansecwest.com/slides/2017/CSW2017_Enrico_Branca_What_if_encrypted_communications_are_not_as_secure.pdf << yet another faux phuctor 1828949;1529710144;mircea_popescu;there you go. 1828950;1529710159;asciilifeform;'Mozilla Security Team' 1828951;1529710194;mircea_popescu;im not curling some pdf, fuck 'em, let them learn how to use the web if they want to spread their drivel. 1828952;1529710235;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the bit i have yet to unravel is why it thinks there's change to generate 1828953;1529710250;mircea_popescu;it just defaults to thinking that, because satoshi. 1828954;1529710275;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ge2OC/?raw=true << the txt crapola, for entomologists strictly 1828955;1529710304;asciilifeform;( spoiler : same snoar as all other pseudophuctors, no actual keyz posted ) 1828956;1529710322;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/wallet.cpp?v=makefiles#0957 << next to look at 1828957;1529710333;BingoBoingo; meanwhile in "i have nfi how this game is played", https://78.media.tumblr.com/86a15e945803ef886f2686209efa7dc5/tumblr_od2ygdgPdj1r1ds4io1_1280.jpg << Maybe massive trade to kill the queens in the G column 1828958;1529710373;mircea_popescu;yeah, or maybe the aliens. 1828959;1529710407;mircea_popescu;or you know, https://78.media.tumblr.com/f512ca3dc8f8a6b99f0b48f7d536f9bf/tumblr_p25df9gLLK1wk5h0ko1_1280.jpg 1828960;1529710408;mircea_popescu;swamp girl did it. 1828961;1529710432;BingoBoingo;That is a distinct possibilitit 1828962;1529710592;BingoBoingo;In other news the venezolana is back to Venezuala for 3.5 weeks starting tomorrow to take care of her now late father's affairs 1828963;1529710901;BingoBoingo;Looking like I might end up trying Cervantes sooner 1828964;1529710904;mircea_popescu;o noes. 1828965;1529711100;BingoBoingo;Or Portugues 1828966;1529711539;mircea_popescu;and in other oldies, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTgXAxKlEy0 1828967;1529711949;ben_vulpes;i'm out of time on this particular trbism, bbl 1828968;1529713366;BingoBoingo;With the apartment key scheduled to monday and the friend girl gone, this could be a very stressful period of time for the Peruana 1828969;1529713681;ben_vulpes;how's that? 1828970;1529713732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 2nd key ( http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/620344B54A5B77C0D59A9A430097097B0A13758B9902F0593BBF0C7929F4F857 ) stood. i therefore suspect that i did not make any mistake in conversion. 1828971;1529713780;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it remains to be determined exactly how to go about signing with a key that doesn't have a mult inv. i suspect that in this puzzler also lies the answer to how the infamous 'mirrored' mods were fired in the field. 1828972;1529713805;asciilifeform;( and whether this actually requires finding ~all~ of the prime factors , or not ) 1828973;1529714055;mircea_popescu;as an obvious possibly : there's some error that creates a functional inverse out of an unrelated numbar. 1828974;1529714060;asciilifeform;aha 1828975;1529714075;mircea_popescu;this would then equally afflict phuctored and unphuctored key 1828976;1529714090;mircea_popescu;"hey guys, did you know your key has mathematically unsound but computably useful pseudoinverse ?" 1828977;1529714099;asciilifeform;it'd afflict 'soup instead of primes' keys as a class 1828978;1529714108;mircea_popescu;conceivably, all keys. 1828979;1529714130;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes cuz he plans of fucking her in all holes at once 24/7. 1828980;1529714138;mircea_popescu;he's got tentaclepeni. 1828981;1529714157;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, did you have the common decency of introducing them ? 1828982;1529714174;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo btw, did you have the common decency of introducing them ? << Was scheduled for next week 1828983;1529714186;mircea_popescu;maybe she ran away then! 1828984;1529714230;BingoBoingo;The venezolana has a special friend she ran away to Uruguay with. She lives with the friend's family and the two girls share a bed. 1828985;1529714299;mircea_popescu;that sounds sweet. 1828986;1529714374;BingoBoingo;And the Peruana absolutely adores me and does bed and bathroom well, but... she can be very boring 1828987;1529714473;BingoBoingo;From what I understand the Venezolana's special friend is staying here for the duration. 1828988;1529714512;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in other twists, not only is neither key in the cr50 fw image i have, but the verification routine does not correspond to the 'open' sores. 1828989;1529714516;asciilifeform;( mega-surprise ) 1828990;1529714572;BingoBoingo;Blog the details. It's friday night. Two and a half days to SEO it 1828991;1529714587;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: details will take a while to pry out. 1828992;1529714628;BingoBoingo;This feeds, what is commonly called a series. Sometimes they go exciting places... Sometimes they don't 1828993;1529714710;*;BingoBoingo has doubts the venezolana is running away for keeps, because she keeps asking how alf is doing 1828994;1529714722;asciilifeform;lolwaat 1828995;1529714795;BingoBoingo;Girl thinks alf is a cool dood and does interestin work 1828996;1529715083;mod6;:] 1828997;1529715123;BingoBoingo;brb 1828998;1529715133;mod6;k 1828999;1529716624;mircea_popescu;haha. they all think this before they meet him :D 1829000;1529719464;asciilifeform;so, meanwhile : finds : key id's seen in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_unlock_nodice.txt , lead to pay dirt, 1829001;1529719526;asciilifeform;1) the pubs thrown earlier in phuctor ( seen in e.g. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/cr50_v3.4/chip/g/loader/verify.c#17 ) dun appear anywhere in fw 3.4 1829002;1529719609;asciilifeform;2) the RW key, corresponding to 'RW keyid: 0xde88588d(prod)' , appears , and is identical to what lives in https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/cr50_v3.4/util/signer/cr50_RW-prod.pem.pub 1829003;1529719786;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t16fl/?raw=true << dump of RW key 1829004;1529719914;asciilifeform;this in turn , is found in 4 places in the rom , http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dqhNR/?raw=true ( labels mine , offsets preserved ) 1829005;1529719948;asciilifeform;( there's a rw and ro piece in each of the 2 redundant sections of the rom , and each contains a copy of rw key -- why? ask'em, not me ) 1829006;1529720000;asciilifeform;however, after this, gets moar interesting: 1829007;1529720316;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/corod/?raw=true << the RO pubkey. (labels mine, offsets original). does not appear to be posted publicly anywhere. 1829008;1529720332;asciilifeform;stored in presumably same bass-ackwards form as the RW. 1829009;1529720560;asciilifeform;the last bit of wtf, is that there dun appear to be anyffing corresponding to the published loader 1829010;1529720631;asciilifeform;in particular, the '0xcafebabe' magicturd in https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/b9f5a3d6baae84950f5ff0c4f7c588e55944818a/chip/g/loader/main.c#L102 , dun appear at all in the bin 1829011;1529720678;asciilifeform;it remains possible that the loader crapola lives in some part of the rom that doesn't get updated and thereby not part of my bin image. 1829012;1529722580;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/b9f5a3d6baae84950f5ff0c4f7c588e55944818a/chip/g/config_chip.h#L135 >> 1829013;1529722599;asciilifeform;'Note: early versions of the SoC would let us build and manually sign our own bootloaders, and the RW images could be self-signed. Production SoCs require officially-signed binary blobs to use for the RO bootloader(s), and the RW images that we build must be manually signed. So even though we generate RO firmware images, they may not be useful.' 1829014;1529722619;asciilifeform;for today this'll be all. 1829015;1529722772;asciilifeform;oh , for compleeetness, http://loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/cr50.bin.prod << the 0.3.4 cr50 fw currently installed in my box. ( the offsets above, are valid for it) 1829016;1529723192;phf;the later is a guess though right, that it's currently installed? 1829017;1529723413;asciilifeform;phf: nein, i flashed it in earlier, recall 1829018;1529723419;asciilifeform;overwrote factory 0.3.3 1829019;1529723447;phf;oh oh of course, you can still flash official ones in 1829020;1529723454;asciilifeform;so as to get a known turd 1829021;1529723455;*;phf slow 1829022;1529723530;asciilifeform;https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/48d6891db8b5b2b0825136f6f9013a110b2a98da/util/signer/create_released_image.sh << moar re the layout of the fw. apologies for l0gz clutter. 1829023;1529723672;phf;what's the executable substrate? i mean it's an fpga carrying its own architecture, what's it compiled with? 1829024;1529723749;asciilifeform;phf: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/cr50_v3.4/chip/g/build.mk#10 << see 1829025;1529723757;asciilifeform;( spoiler : CFLAGS_CPU+=-march=armv7-m -mcpu=cortex-m3 ) 1829026;1529723804;asciilifeform;it's an arm7 m3 with a few custom i/o regs and some iron for crypto accel ( strictly hashing & symmetric , all else in soft ) 1829027;1529723836;*;asciilifeform bbl 1829028;1529725564;phf;ty 1829029;1529728215;mod6;i broke my trb blockchain. 1829030;1529728257;mod6;thing was stuck, flooded with connections, not keeping up, wouldn't respond to any rpc calls. this going on for hours and hours. finally i just killed it. i probably instead should have just firewalled off 8333 instead. 1829031;1529728264;mod6;anyway, now the db is corrupt. 1829032;1529728273;mod6;will need to probably resync the whole thing. 1829033;1529728313;mod6;this ip from the nodes list: 208.94.240.42 1829034;1529728599;lobbes;ouch... I could see myself doing the same thing 1829035;1529728689;mod6;yeah, ensure that if something like this happens to you, you do not kill it -- instead firewall it off. wait until all connections drop. 1829036;1529728712;mod6;i think i'm just gonna cutblock all the blk*.dat files, and eatblock 'em. 1829037;1529728717;mod6;should take 10 days. 1829038;1529728742;*;lobbes makes a literal note 1829039;1529728969;mod6;i'll probably just turn all of this into a blog post. 1829040;1529729069;mircea_popescu;mod6 nah, listen, do you have an index saved ? 1829041;1529729111;mircea_popescu;just reinstate the old index, have it check the chain. odds are it'll be able to recover, because it doesn't so much care about data ~past~ its index point. 1829042;1529729671;mod6;i have a backed up index, but its from long ago. 1829043;1529729679;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the basement, https://78.media.tumblr.com/df0b4f8fa317c5110325b4496d0a7dee/tumblr_o6gtpxaWH61rhup7qo1_540.gif 1829044;1529729705;mircea_popescu;mod6 backups are your friend! this whole trb stuff is a little friable. 1829045;1529729710;mod6;anyway, will try it. (it's from january) 1829046;1529729782;mircea_popescu;then maybe not worth it, likely will take more than 10 days to sync 1829047;1529729800;mod6;ah. perhaps ya. 1829048;1529729859;mod6;but backing up the chain is a good idea. i actually have backups more recent than that, but from other trbs, not this specific one. 1829049;1529729930;mircea_popescu;ah. yeah, i mean weekly rotation, monthly, something. 1829050;1529730237;mod6;*nod*, lesson learned. 1829051;1529730619;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828740 << so I figured it out: cause of downtime ended up being a flood of tor exit nodes >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VYVGW/?raw=true 1829052;1529730619;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 16:14 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828477 << ack, ty for letting me know. I'll try sshing in tonight to rule out webserver failure before I flag down BB to check out the situation manually. (I must say, it is a good feeling knowing that nowhere in this troubleshooting cycle will I need to interface with orcs.) 1829053;1529730698;lobbes;snippet of access log for additional wtf >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DtslR/?raw=true 1829054;1529730735;mircea_popescu;lobbes that's not overmuch by web standards. same one or diff ones ? 1829055;1529730779;mircea_popescu;ah, crapolade trying to spam. shouldn't really bring mp-wp down afaik. 1829056;1529730887;mircea_popescu;of course... this is the rockchip ? 1829057;1529730915;lobbes;word, well that is good to know at least.I tried to deny a shitload of em via virtualhosts.conf. Blog is back up for now, but I half-expect it to be down again by morning 1829058;1529730919;lobbes;yeah, rockchip 1829059;1529730953;lobbes;and to boot, I tried setting up some rules in iptables, but it barfs claiming it is missing 'insmod' module or somesuch 1829060;1529730992;lobbes;in other words, iptables currently unavailable until I figure out more of arm64 peculiarities 1829061;1529731001;mircea_popescu;the thing is very stringently optimized to waste as little as possible on the spammer wanna-bes, but then again i never tried it on an arm. 1829062;1529731066;mircea_popescu;i could say "trilema runs like that ~70% of the time", but then again trilema's got a larger box. pretty sure you can set it up though so it rejects multiple conns like that. there's a setting somewhere to limit inbound. 1829063;1529731343;lobbes;hm, yeah, looks like there is mod_limitipconn but the arm64 support looks dismal >> https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/www-apache/mod_limitipconn 1829064;1529731425;mircea_popescu;mod_whateverthefuck the common one also can do it for you. and also csf or w/e you use to manage the firewall. 1829065;1529731531;mircea_popescu;in principle saying something like "no more than x connection from a given ip will be entertained" is perfectly reasonable ; though careful how low you set the x, some browsers (especially the mobile versions dedicated to fucking as much battery as possible) can turn a pageload into 10-20 simultaneous requests. 1829066;1529732470;mircea_popescu;meanwhile poolside, https://78.media.tumblr.com/3f6248c3f0a886611472762ba6bf4bbb/tumblr_inline_p1onsoyrKB1vpaf4h_500.gif 1829067;1529757758;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829030 << hey mod6 is this the same box as in the last coupla similar threads, with the questionable hdd ? 1829068;1529757758;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 04:30 mod6: thing was stuck, flooded with connections, not keeping up, wouldn't respond to any rpc calls. this going on for hours and hours. finally i just killed it. i probably instead should have just firewalled off 8333 instead. 1829069;1529757873;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829041 << mircea_popescu has it , index is the only piece that actually bitrots ( bdb was written by the maliciously retarded ) 1829070;1529757873;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 04:45 mircea_popescu: just reinstate the old index, have it check the chain. odds are it'll be able to recover, because it doesn't so much care about data ~past~ its index point. 1829071;1529757938;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform has not suffered this problem in many yrs, for box on uninterruptible power ( and resist the temptation to fiddle! no it ain't 'stuck', it stands up again by itself in coupla hrs ) -- no bitrot 1829072;1529757963;asciilifeform;unless dying hdd, etc, all bets off then. 1829073;1529758011;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829051 << lobbes didja determine what proggy (e.g. apache?) it was that actually fell down ? 1829074;1529758011;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 05:10 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828740 << so I figured it out: cause of downtime ended up being a flood of tor exit nodes >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VYVGW/?raw=true 1829075;1529765219;asciilifeform;meanwhile, for fyootoor ref, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829003 >>>> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2F5EC26698365939D499561F385A39A4217604DEB38913D71AFD135B28009DAF 1829076;1529765219;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 02:09 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t16fl/?raw=true << dump of RW key 1829077;1529769432;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same here, lotta problems in 2012ish but meanwhile fuzzed out the weird, learned like ox, by trying. 1829078;1529769676;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for comparison : the last time i reset 'zoolag' was to change ps. and the time before that -- to swap in the 'aggression' build 1829079;1529769691;mircea_popescu;aha 1829080;1529769707;asciilifeform;thing has roughly same uptime as its upstream isp. 1829081;1529771584;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in true romance, https://78.media.tumblr.com/026a35dd07d2f0e4b08676f607ad9f52/tumblr_nconfxDv7X1rzv0kmo1_400.gif 1829082;1529773052;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828933 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829007 >> https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/master/chip/g/signed_header.h >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ro_signature.txt ( not the only 1, but illustrative ) 1829083;1529773052;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 22:35 asciilifeform: if nobody finds obvious mistake, i guess i'ma have to pull an actual enemy signature out of the binariola, and see wtf 1829084;1529773052;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 02:18 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/corod/?raw=true << the RO pubkey. (labels mine, offsets original). does not appear to be posted publicly anywhere. 1829085;1529773052;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1829086;1529773078;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829030 << hey mod6 is this the same box as in the last coupla similar threads, with the questionable hdd ? << yup, same item. will post more about it later for sure. 1829087;1529773078;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 04:30 mod6: thing was stuck, flooded with connections, not keeping up, wouldn't respond to any rpc calls. this going on for hours and hours. finally i just killed it. i probably instead should have just firewalled off 8333 instead. 1829088;1529773079;*;asciilifeform takes break, lets the red hot barrels cool... 1829089;1529773223;asciilifeform;mod6: by all indications you have a box with iron problem. in your place i'd get a fresh set of iron, rather than sinking sweat into interpreting randomly flipped bits as 'bug' 1829090;1529773785;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf other interesting observations: 1) loader is not the same as what appears in the src, in either 3.3 or 3.4 fw bin; not only key differs, but eggog strings, and possibly the rsa per se. 2) seems like : nowhere else in the fw is there any other routine which checksums/rsaverifies the cr50 fw , or references the rsa keyz at all other than to print keyid . 1829091;1529773785;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1829092;1529773838;asciilifeform;summary : google set up what is likely a deliberate bullshit dangle re the loader src; for reasons that are yet unclear 1829093;1529773860;asciilifeform;not a terribly high quality dangle, took roughly a day to uncover. 1829094;1529773998;mircea_popescu;google would lie ?! 1829095;1529774005;asciilifeform;never!111 1829096;1529774012;mircea_popescu;this comes as such a shock to absolutely nobody. 1829097;1529774067;asciilifeform;the only even mild surprise is the sheer pile of echafaudage 1829098;1529774117;mircea_popescu;well, the cloud of oricsh morons a la amstan are an expensive luxury. 1829099;1529774134;mircea_popescu;useless, it is true. but expensive nevertheleess. 1829100;1529774211;asciilifeform;pretty great lolcow, btw, that d00d. spilled what he thought was a carefully incomplete pile of beans to 'get asciilifeform to waste months making debug cable', i suspect, didn't quite expect us to get a working one in 1wk 1829101;1529774280;asciilifeform;since his monumental 'nobody has the keys!' gem, all i saw of him was that 1 time he popped in here and drooled for coupla min. 1829102;1529774328;mircea_popescu;eh. from a statistical perspective, it can't be said we don't get enough tards talking, so... 1829103;1529775286;asciilifeform;btw i did figure out the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828757 matter -- their key format reserves 1st 4bytes for 'keyid' . but the lulzimplementation pictured in the (useless, doesn't seem to occur in the bin) published 'loader', treats the key as starting there . as i currently understand, couldn't actually work as written, barring some mathematical curio 1829104;1529775286;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 18:17 asciilifeform: static const uint32_t LOADERKEY_A[RSA_NUM_WORDS + 1] = { ...blah... } where #define RSA_NUM_WORDS 96 ... 1829105;1529775402;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828901 << this kind of thing was a multi-week headache for asciilifeform the last time he had to actually uncork the launch codes and move coin; and i expect that it will only ever get worse 1829106;1529775402;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 21:55 ben_vulpes: next thing i'm going to try is manually walk the spend-to-self down by 100 satoshis until this trb shits a tx out and then look at what it produces 1829107;1529775444;asciilifeform;possibly the 2nd dumbest thing shitoshi did, after the mining algo -- the coin fragging nonsense. 1829108;1529776787;ben_vulpes;would it be sensible for the send* commands to eat a changeaddress argument? 1829109;1529776904;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: absolutely, this has been a sore spot of asciilifeform's since day1 1829110;1529777186;mircea_popescu;yes. 1829111;1529780293;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-16#1434267 << see also oldthread 1829112;1529780293;a111;Logged on 2016-03-16 15:42 mircea_popescu: both the "shittier than historical" and "new addr for change" bits are satoshi's dubious kludges to protect "anonimity" 1829113;1529782031;BingoBoingo;In miscellani-lulz: "The Serbian football association says it will demand that FIFA take action against Granit Xhaka and Xherdan Shaqiri for their eagle salute goal celebrations in Switzerland’s 2-1 World Cup win in Kaliningrad on Friday. Shaqiri and Xhaka, both of whom were born in Kosovo and are of Albanian descent, celebrated their goals in Switzerland’s comeback win by making an eagle salute in apparent reference to the Alban 1829114;1529782031;BingoBoingo;ian flag." << Apparently the whole swiss team is Albanian or Bosnian 1829115;1529782406;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/austria-threatens-border-controls-against-increasingly-isolated-germany/ << Qntra - Austria Threatens Border Controls Against Increasingly Isolated Germany 1829116;1529784228;phf;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPu8iRwZBZU 1829117;1529784228;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 3 hours and 6 minutes ago: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828933 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829007 >> https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/master/chip/g/signed_header.h >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ro_signature.txt ( not the only 1, but illustrative ) 1829118;1529784229;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 2 hours and 54 minutes ago: other interesting observations: 1) loader is not the same as what appears in the src, in either 3.3 or 3.4 fw bin; not only key differs, but eggog strings, and possibly the rsa per se. 2) seems like : nowhere else in the fw is there any other routine which checksums/rsaverifies the cr50 fw , or references the rsa keyz at all other than to print keyid . 1829119;1529784586;mircea_popescu;you dare speak in #trilema ?! here's eight lines of stuff from the logs! 1829120;1529784623;asciilifeform;lol! 1829121;1529784976;phf;"have you been reading your log? but in case you haven't here's some more log in your log" 1829122;1529785510;mircea_popescu;exactly! 1829123;1529785727;*;asciilifeform was aiming to nail down from what derives what, rather than flooding phf, lel 1829124;1529786008;asciilifeform;the other interesting bit ( from asciilifeform's disasm of the 3.4 fw) is that there doesn't seem to be any pinning of the keys! ( i.e. i can't currently find any reason why it wouldn't eat a rw-fw update signed with a variant key, so long as said key is stuffed in where expected) 1829125;1529786104;asciilifeform;nao this is imho hard to swallow ('submarine with screen door') and so currently i'm assuming that i simply missed something. will have to test, at any rate. 1829126;1529786358;phf;"beware of dog"? seems unlikely though.. 1829127;1529786441;BingoBoingo;I have become utterly unaccustomed to dogs being beasts to fear 1829128;1529787933;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829108 << the alternative, which would be a smaller patch, is a "setchangeaddr" RPC function. i'm leery of changing the call signatures of sendfrom and sendmany, but doing so might be The Right Thing nevertheless 1829129;1529787933;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 17:59 ben_vulpes: would it be sensible for the send* commands to eat a changeaddress argument? 1829130;1529788325;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if changing the semantics, i recommend new names ( new commands ) 1829131;1529788347;asciilifeform;eliminate possibility of confusion with old , or reactor meltdown if new trb is plugged into a scriptolade harness meant for old, etc 1829132;1529788440;asciilifeform;e.g. 'sendbtc to= change= [from=]' 1829133;1529788465;ben_vulpes;it would be much easier to make a sendmanywithchangeaddr than to rework both sendfrom and sendmany 1829134;1529788472;asciilifeform;or some other name, but idea being that it must be 1) impossible to confuse it with old 2) keywords ~named~, no order dependency plox 1829135;1529788487;ben_vulpes;yeah that fucking horror of ordered args 1829136;1529788502;asciilifeform;srsly we have enuff pistols that fire from 2 ends. time for a normal one. 1829137;1529788551;mircea_popescu;hehehe 1829138;1529788582;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: dun forget fee=<...> 1829139;1529788595;ben_vulpes;aha 1829140;1529788597;ben_vulpes;ty 1829141;1529788603;asciilifeform;and not optionally, but errytime. 1829142;1529788763;asciilifeform;upstack : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829075 << for the record , it withstood (not much surprise) phuctoring (incl. fermat etc) 1829143;1529788763;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 14:46 asciilifeform: meanwhile, for fyootoor ref, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829003 >>>> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2F5EC26698365939D499561F385A39A4217604DEB38913D71AFD135B28009DAF 1829144;1529788805;ben_vulpes;am i thick or does nothing in the rpc take named args already? 1829145;1529788876;asciilifeform;not thick, this is so 1829146;1529788914;ben_vulpes;how cool 1829147;1529789053;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: funnily enuff, ~this very item~ is how asciilifeform got mired in attempt to bolt a lisp onto trb 1829148;1529789092;asciilifeform;'this arg parser, with all of the eggog handlings/safeties already weighs 85% of lisp interpreter...' 1829149;1529789302;ben_vulpes;noooooshit 1829150;1529789347;asciilifeform;writing parsers in overflowsanddanglingpointers-lang is braindamaged. 1829151;1529789401;ben_vulpes;sarcasm fails me in the face of cpp 1829152;1529789436;asciilifeform;( btw, this does not appear to be in the l0gz as-such, so asciilifeform will note : c was an evil thing from ~birth~. on machines so impoverished that 'c is necessary', oughta be writing in asm; on machines where not necessary -- well, obvious ) 1829153;1529789684;mircea_popescu;heh 1829154;1529791009;ben_vulpes;!!up epony do you plan to register a key or what 1829155;1529791010;deedbot;epony voiced for 30 minutes. 1829156;1529791052;epony;don't know, I'll read on for now.. 1829157;1529791068;epony;devoice if you please, nothing to say on my end 1829158;1529791148;ben_vulpes;epony: what do you perceive the cost of registering a key to be? 1829159;1529791158;ben_vulpes;put another way, why *not* do it? 1829160;1529791205;epony;because, why would I want to say anything before getting a feel of the tone of the conversation.. 1829161;1529791268;epony;put another way, ephemeral is nice 1829162;1529791301;ben_vulpes;consider, one day, you find yourself inspired to say something, you then go to register a key first? and then conversation gets derailed with "oh ho, look who finally registered a key" or alternatively "oh ho, who are you now?" 1829163;1529791322;ben_vulpes;chance favors the prepared keyring or what was it. 1829164;1529791326;epony;I'll then say "just nobody" :-) 1829165;1529791380;epony;It's fun playing mental experiments anyway 1829166;1529791402;ben_vulpes;epony: still haven't digested the epsilon appetite for nobodies? not obvious in your 11 days reading? 1829167;1529791430;epony;I cherry pick 1 line at a view. 1829168;1529791805;epony;I think it's 9 days since I pop back in. 1829169;1529791819;epony;Don't know where these 11 days come from... 1829170;1529791903;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823667 1829171;1529791903;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 06:20 mircea_popescu: !!up epony 1829172;1529791912;epony;:) 1829173;1529791915;ben_vulpes;assuming that epony is this epony 1829174;1529791919;epony;same 1829175;1529791945;epony;so, idling 12-15 and out... back in 9 days... 1829176;1529791971;ben_vulpes;dun dun dun 1829177;1529792517;asciilifeform;this reminds me, not long ago asciilifeform picked up a little chinese toy, item shaped like tennis raquet but the wires are charged to 4000v and connect to (small) cap; a sort of mechanized fly swatter, they pop, little blue plasma burst, vapour. nominally. so then , having used it, later i see a most peculiar insect, did not immediately realize what it is, never having seen before. looked closely, turns out -- fly head + front legs 1829178;1529792517;asciilifeform;, still waking along, mostly torso-less and wingless... 1829179;1529792557;asciilifeform;*walking 1829180;1529797644;asciilifeform;mm pretty satisfying, swinging that thing through cloud of mosquito 1829181;1529802774;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: by all indications you have a box with iron problem. in your place i'd get a fresh set of iron, rather than sinking sweat into interpreting randomly flipped bits as 'bug' << yeah for sure, it certainly could be related to the disk issue. I don't really think it's a 'bug' or anything. 1829182;1529802807;mod6;I'll call these guys and get them to throw in a ~new~ SSD for me this time. Or will just pay out, and find new service. 1829183;1529818808;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in GC, https://78.media.tumblr.com/70f63fb305a8b15c5ba2651f0f1a575d/tumblr_mmmkjvcdhm1sq9rheo1_1280.jpg 1829184;1529860126;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-deathstar-touched-me-on-the-dolly/ << Trilema - The deathstar touched me on the dolly. 1829185;1529863159;BingoBoingo;Aite, next time I go to the feria to look at kitchen utensils Imma have to bring a latina. "Evwerything on the table is a matched set you won't separate" my ass 1829186;1529863260;mircea_popescu;ahahaha matched sets ? srsly ? 1829187;1529863291;mircea_popescu;such a deep flavour of workers-class-doing-business roux... 1829188;1529863425;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1829189;1529863446;BingoBoingo;Only once did set actually visually make sense 1829190;1529863668;BingoBoingo;In one case I was looking at a cast iron skillet that wasn't rusted to shit. The vendor wanted to bundle it with a whole bunch of specialty cast iron shit that was rusted to fuckhell. 1829191;1529863864;BingoBoingo;!!up brazilish 1829192;1529863864;deedbot;brazilish voiced for 30 minutes. 1829193;1529863871;BingoBoingo;Tudo bem? 1829194;1529863871;brazilish;hi 1829195;1529863875;brazilish;tudo 1829196;1529863888;BingoBoingo;What brings you around these parts? 1829197;1529863972;brazilish;bored of my bought gf watching booties with her smartphone 1829198;1529864013;brazilish;so I saw a post on reddit about a supposed nsa free desktop, and I'd like to ask opinions here 1829199;1529864035;brazilish;this: https://raptorcs.com/TALOSIILITE/ 1829200;1529864046;BingoBoingo;Which golden age motoralo powered Mac is it? 1829201;1529864122;BingoBoingo;The talos this is a bit on the expensive side and how far do you REALLY trust IBM to have not molested their POWER architecture? 1829202;1529864161;brazilish;well, I'd like to ask: does make moar sense to buy some pre 2009 (pre IME) laptop to do standard stuff? 1829203;1529864215;BingoBoingo;Quite a bit more 1829204;1529864250;BingoBoingo;You can also go more recent if you stick with AMD 1829205;1529864254;BingoBoingo;Up to about 2013 or so 1829206;1529864266;brazilish;fact is: here in my shitty city all the used stuff that i find is way over used and full of grease, like way too much 1829207;1529864286;BingoBoingo;They don't have Miami Box where you are at? 1829208;1529864299;brazilish;let me check what is a miami box lol :D 1829209;1529864335;BingoBoingo;Shit gets bought for you in Miama and shipped to your actual address. 1829210;1529864456;brazilish;logistic is a bit complicated, but there are some services that i've used in the past 1829211;1529864474;brazilish;nice to see that with AMD there is something more recent than 2009 btw 1829212;1529864547;BingoBoingo;Lenovo X120e or X121e isn't a bad box. Not winning any speed contests, but you could do far worse 1829213;1529864608;brazilish;checked now a couple of miami box, seems that out of sao paulo they are expensive as fuck, even in my case where there are a couple of flights in the week directly to miami 1829214;1529864928;BingoBoingo;Few ever died getting their own plane ticket 1829215;1529864981;mircea_popescu;brazilish yes, the x60s (pre lenovo hps) for instance. 1829216;1529864997;brazilish;aside quality ebony girls, this city is a complete hellhole, logistic and import taxes included 1829217;1529865013;mircea_popescu;quality ebony girls aren't that bad ; though i prefer importing. 1829218;1529865132;mircea_popescu;leaving aside wix is possibly the shittiest isp ever invented, wtf is a "Jardim Petropolis" ?! 1829219;1529865136;phf;brazilish: you can always wash it by hand. i've disassembled a lot of ebay thinkpads just to wash the frame of all the grease and dirt; but to answer the general question "libre" solutions are guilty until proven innocent around here. the pattern seems to be, find a seemingly unencumbered system, asciilifeform starts taking a look at it, discovers lizard hitler. until step 2 happens, impossible to say anything about the system. 1829220;1529865208;brazilish;wix is the AS that host the VPN, the city is not petropolis (indeed, a very good city) 1829221;1529865227;mircea_popescu;ic. 1829222;1529865233;brazilish;is belem 1829223;1529865250;brazilish;near the amazon river, humid as fuck 1829224;1529865272;mircea_popescu;the naming scheme these people use. "petrogardens in the neighbourhood of Prudent President". why not pudenda presidenta, while at it. 1829225;1529865291;mircea_popescu;brazilish so why are you there ? 1829226;1529865292;BingoBoingo;brazilish: Do you get winter there? Here by the other big river it's a bit chilly 1829227;1529865309;BingoBoingo;But still humid 1829228;1529865347;brazilish;well i enjoy black girls, but never thought that the city was a total mess 1829229;1529865350;mircea_popescu;here's something for phf : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Casa_Grande_e_Tulha_da_Antiga_Chacara_do_Paraiso_das_Campinas_Velhas_Foto_5.jpg ("Casa Grande e Tulha, conjunto arquitetônico de valor histórico, construído entre as décadas de 1790 e 1830. Está entre as primeiras edificações de Campinas.") 1829230;1529865388;mircea_popescu;brazilish girls can travel. well, the less fucked in the head among them, obviously there's a contingent of boise morons who expect to spawn and die within visual range of where they were spawned in turn. 1829231;1529865449;brazilish;My original idea was to do physical price arbitrage, by going there and spending money like a local. Is not going so well 1829232;1529865492;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea in theory ; but the necessary conjugate of any attempt at practical implementation is being ready to pack it and move if it dun work out. 1829233;1529865538;brazilish;BingoBoingo: basically 2 seasons: the one when rains a lot for a short period of time, and the one where it rains a lot for a couple of hours 1829234;1529865550;mircea_popescu;anyway, i spent some time in argentina on the vastly supported conspiracy theory that it's a cool place. god help me there's chicken coops cooler than the whole shithole. 1829235;1529865596;mircea_popescu;experience has shown that there exist two kinds of people in this world : the kind where the greater the agglomeration, the cooler it gets ; and the kind where the greater the agglomeration, the dirtier it gets. 1829236;1529865601;mircea_popescu;latinos definitely kind 2. 1829237;1529865663;brazilish;but don't get me wrong: girls are good and their prices (if any) are also ok. What is very bad is everything that is not sex related 1829238;1529865666;BingoBoingo;Montevideo would be substantially cooler if the Uruguayo population was halved 1829239;1529865679;BingoBoingo;!!Up brazilish 1829240;1529865680;deedbot;brazilish voiced for 30 minutes. 1829241;1529865688;mircea_popescu;brazilish i take slaves, prices kinda meaningless to me. wtf prices ? not like i prostitute the harem. 1829242;1529865695;BingoBoingo;And the immigrant population doubled 1829243;1529865734;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo basically you'd like it if there were a dozen of you and not so many of them ? 1829244;1529865779;brazilish;well, no experience with slaves, i like normal intercourse 1829245;1529865780;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'd like it more if there were more brown latinas and less zombie pale folk 1829246;1529865856;mircea_popescu;i suspect this may be universal. 1829247;1529865942;brazilish;and to be honest, there is something funny about here, if you talk about slavery or these kind of agreements they comes out instantly with "direitos humanos", but if you just tell that you want anything with her, that's perfectly ok 1829248;1529866000;mircea_popescu;"raised awareness" huh ? 1829249;1529866047;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you know this fellow ? 1829250;1529866068;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I do not 1829251;1529866102;BingoBoingo;I saw a new name pop up and granted voice. Decided to do some A/B testing and not ask this guy about his daddy for a change. 1829252;1529866133;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "infraestructura", https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luwxczGWcV1r33v5zo1_1280.jpg 1829253;1529866187;BingoBoingo;brazilish: Register a GPG key with deedbot, keep the private key private, and keep coming back. 1829254;1529866238;brazilish;ok 1829255;1529866459;brazilish;BingoBoingo: are you from uruguay? 1829256;1529866477;BingoBoingo;brazilish: Nope. Just living here 1829257;1529866538;brazilish;is true that is quite cold, and houses are bad insulated / there is not much heating system in use aside high end houses? 1829258;1529866720;mircea_popescu;o look who's here. how's the lab PeterL ? 1829259;1529866735;PeterL;still labbing 1829260;1529866814;mircea_popescu;brazilish are you from brazil, then ? 1829261;1529866830;BingoBoingo;brazilish: That depends on the barrio 1829262;1529866887;brazilish;i got a brazilian passport in my childhood but not from here 1829263;1529866948;brazilish;but i learned pretty quickly portuguese and so the idea to melt with the population appealed me 1829264;1529866957;PeterL;trinque: on http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/ the links seem to be broken, I tried to leave a comment but I think it got eaten? 1829265;1529866991;mircea_popescu;well.. then probably no. for one thing uruguay's not cold in any conceivable sense. for the other, latin america is universally a pile of crumbling mess, decolonialization did them in. so yes, if you want sane window fittings you'll have to import the termopan (and possibly the skilled labour to put them in) ; if you want sane heat planht, you gotta import the gas burning ariston or w/e you're using. and so on. 1829266;1529867002;mircea_popescu;but this is universally true of anything not-in-europe anyway. 1829267;1529867006;brazilish;mircea_popescu: i know your blog after the ethereum disaster, then a couple of weeks ago discovered irc logs 1829268;1529867018;mircea_popescu;the us doesn't even have the holes, if you want windows instead of the idiotic closet doors they install you have to break the walls 1829269;1529867029;mircea_popescu;("break" is a bit of a joke, you can saw through their wallpaper) 1829270;1529867134;PeterL;speaking of eaten comments, ben_vulpes I tried to put a comment on http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system but that appears to have been eaten as well 1829271;1529867138;BingoBoingo;brazilish: Anyways here they either use propane heaters, electric radiators, or they use their air conditioner as a heat pump 1829272;1529867154;PeterL;brb, have to change a diaper 1829273;1529867213;mircea_popescu;people like to imagine "being civilised" == "participating" on social media, because it's fucking easy. but no, being civilised is ~strictly~ things like http://termopane.termopanejaluzele.ro/termopane-img/termopane-31.jpg and https://www.afacerist.ro/dbp/poze3_cautari/500/a/centrala_termica_73106.jpg and www.ceramicacielo.com/image/wc-bidet_3h.jpg and so on. 1829274;1529867215;brazilish;BingoBoingo: that's the reason of totally avoiding min >20°C parts of south america 1829275;1529867257;brazilish;been twice in porto alegre, it was so painful to live w/o proper insulation 1829276;1529867384;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-24#1829199 << lol these come in erry 6mo or so nao, don't they 1829277;1529867384;a111;Logged on 2018-06-24 18:13 brazilish: this: https://raptorcs.com/TALOSIILITE/ 1829278;1529867391;asciilifeform;!#s talos 1829279;1529867392;a111;23 results for "talos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=talos 1829280;1529867396;BingoBoingo;brazilish: If you are ok with studio apartments those are hella overbuilt here. In some barrios there is minimal premium to rent recent construction if you look enough. 1829281;1529867428;brazilish;i like the climate here because if you have shadow and minimal ventilation you can live, but that's of course a reason about the shitload of poor people that can survive virtually doing nothing 1829282;1529867461;BingoBoingo;I actually wouldn't mind more extreme cold 1829283;1529867487;mircea_popescu;well you're both in luck, pantsuit wank notwithstanding the data shows we're headed to an ice age. 1829284;1529867492;mircea_popescu;maybe even within our lifetimes. 1829285;1529867550;BingoBoingo;The wonders of being alive now 1829286;1529867575;BingoBoingo;!!Up brazilish 1829287;1529867576;deedbot;brazilish voiced for 30 minutes. 1829288;1529867617;brazilish;BingoBoingo: does uber work well in montevideo ? 1829289;1529867641;BingoBoingo;It works very well as do the taxis. During the summer busses are pretty cool too. 1829290;1529867666;BingoBoingo;Montevideo does not have traffic in any meaningful sense 1829291;1529867668;mircea_popescu;"What’s more, just as carbonated soda fizzes when it warms up, warmer temperatures cause the ocean to release carbon dioxide taken up during colder periods." holy shit these imbeciles with the "climate science" claptrap, they're strictly unreadable by now. just as the cocke fucked their mother. 1829292;1529867683;brazilish;well here bus in many areas it seems just a no-no option 1829293;1529867701;brazilish;lot of mugging 1829294;1529867727;brazilish;people use to place dinheiro in their shoes, if they can afford them and don't have to use flip flop 1829295;1529867750;BingoBoingo;Busses here more or less run on time and go everywhere. Crime consists of bag snatching and jumps from there straight to robbing exchanges and casinos 1829296;1529867756;PeterL;asciilifeform: in the interests of science, I built your ffa on a windows system and it appears to work. For some reason gprbuild didn't work, but when I used gnatmake I got a working executable. (I also had to mangle v.py in the process to make it work on my system) 1829297;1529867786;asciilifeform;PeterL: gprbuild is what applies the restrictions, so what you build is not quite ffa 1829298;1529867814;asciilifeform;PeterL: your will be laden with all kindsa crud in the bin 1829299;1529867819;brazilish;BingoBoingo: no gunpoint crime? quite an untypical part of south america, except chile 1829300;1529867848;PeterL;mircea_popescu: there is a link between the solubility of carbonates and temperature, what is wrong with their statement? 1829301;1529867851;asciilifeform;*yours 1829302;1529867886;mircea_popescu;PeterL the "just so" part. there is also a link between how fucking stupid they are and their mother being a sleazy cunt, but that link is not the bottle of fizz she inserted as a roadside act. 1829303;1529867898;mircea_popescu;even if she DID so insert it. 1829304;1529867914;BingoBoingo;brazilish: Very rare. Most shootings here are family disputes or drug commerce related. If anyone here raises a gun at strangers it is almost always in a cambio or casino. One cashier got shot over 2000 pesos and it was a national scandal. 1829305;1529867938;brazilish;very safe compared to here 1829306;1529867969;BingoBoingo;It's why December all of Brazil flocks here. To go to the beach and smoke mountains of weed without being mugged. 1829307;1529867977;mircea_popescu;and so when i say "the link between two bit whores and any english-speaking earth science academic is the bottle of american cola the two bit whores shoved up their butts", i'm misrepresenting the relationsip. even if they are, factually, the stupid sons of human scum. 1829308;1529868022;asciilifeform;PeterL: out of curiosity, what chapter you built ? ( i can't picture how the /dev/random thing could work on winblowz, say ) 1829309;1529868044;brazilish;from what i assist on local newspaper, in a city of almost 2M there are at least 10 homicides a day, usually 8 drug related and 2 random folk that hasn't handed out properly money related 1829310;1529868075;mircea_popescu;brazilish believe it or not this actually sounds like a positive. 1829311;1529868093;brazilish;lol, how you can say that 1829312;1529868096;mircea_popescu;nevermind the shoes, buy a gun, keep it loaded, there you go. 1829313;1529868103;PeterL;asciilifeform: I guess I was cheating, used cygwin, and yes, I know it will not be as good as having actual FG attached 1829314;1529868142;mircea_popescu;PeterL put the whole thing in a vps running on an arm machine if at all possible and there you go! 1829315;1529868145;mircea_popescu;make a kubinetes for it! 1829316;1529868166;asciilifeform;10 per 2M ?! this is about bmore level ! i thought brazil were a world champ , what is this 1829317;1529868181;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not all of Brasil is Rio 1829318;1529868239;brazilish;Rio is actually safer than here (22 murder a year per 100k compared to 70 per 100k) 1829319;1529868240;mircea_popescu;mexico city nervously smokes in the corner, 500/day or what was it. 1829320;1529868244;asciilifeform;PeterL: i dun think FG will work there either, winblowz doesn't give a handy knob for serial devices afaik 1829321;1529868267;BingoBoingo;And Brasileros tend to have a temperment that lets them safely get mugged. 1829322;1529868293;mircea_popescu;anyway, he has a point, brazil mexico and venezuela are the champs. 1829323;1529868308;asciilifeform;PeterL: worse, it may even superficially appear to work but drop certain byte sequences ( see logs re 'flow control' ) 1829324;1529868334;BingoBoingo;The stories out of Venezuala when it comes to breaking and entering... 1829325;1529868379;mircea_popescu;did she enjoy multi-layered breaking and entering ? 1829326;1529868397;mircea_popescu;visual aids : 1. https://78.media.tumblr.com/c2c5bf78ca9223cf78f29e28c2a23b9e/tumblr_n1udojU6o51qc2p2qo2_400.gif ; 2. https://78.media.tumblr.com/7b2c97595d5a43bb952c41059e04d635/tumblr_n1udojU6o51qc2p2qo1_400.gif 1829327;1529868483;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Wasn't too big of concern in her zone. Anyways the SOP there is crew drives truck to apartment building, sweeps whole building for valuables. Police follow and sweep building for valuables. 1829328;1529868564;mircea_popescu;lmao 1829329;1529868580;mircea_popescu;and nobody answered this by firing ak in burst mode at "crew" ? 1829330;1529868649;BingoBoingo;Gotta understand Latinos like their rituals. Sacrificial Vigilante with a pump shotgun mans the front desk and... isn't that enough security for any Latino? 1829331;1529868674;mircea_popescu;right, they just want to. 1829332;1529868717;BingoBoingo;Thusly the vigilantes practice surrendering fast enough to not die and still have an abysmal survival rate 1829333;1529868719;mircea_popescu;try as he might (not that he does), /me can't summon any sympathy for the "oh, it should be someone else's job, if i see police coming in i don't pick a rifle and man a post, hurr" barnacles. 1829334;1529868784;mircea_popescu;latino mcrights-ciufile, wants to study criminology at florida state. 1829335;1529868815;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818207 << sounds like where I live (Midland,MI: 50k people, you can go a mile out of town and have multiple acre lots) 1829336;1529868815;a111;Logged on 2018-05-24 17:29 mircea_popescu: instead of you having to contend with 5mn other idiots trying to live in the same state ; you have to contend with only 50k. as a result, all real estate available consists of plots in excess of 50 acres, which include a creek, and forest. goes for the same price as you pay now, but it is what it is. 1829337;1529868846;mircea_popescu;PeterL yes, but the problem it suffers from is the problem africa suffers from : all the brains drained out. 1829338;1529868871;mircea_popescu;the idea is to NOT have an alternative, the idea is for ~new york~ lots to be like that. 1829339;1529868906;PeterL;We do have a supply of PhD chemists who come here to work at Dow, if that counts as a brain? 1829340;1529868923;mircea_popescu;half-brain. they can work the dow plant but not the ak-47. 1829341;1529868927;mircea_popescu;sorta like the venezuelans. 1829342;1529869052;BingoBoingo;Now generally the venezualans doing the robbing can work the ak. In Uruguay the robbers can't even do that. 1829343;1529869113;mircea_popescu;recall that lulzy mochilla dood ? 1829344;1529872667;asciilifeform;'мочила -- pro fella, who мочит' (tm)(r)(phf)(iirc) 1829345;1529873339;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/074-adalisp-prototype.html << The Tar Pit - An early Lisp scriptlang prototype in Ada 1829346;1529892103;mircea_popescu;o hey! 1829347;1529892182;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, i am pleased to report that firefox 45 has about a degree of magnitude more memory-related crashes than firefox 10. 1829348;1529892197;mircea_popescu;now we know how they do versioning, log(failure). 1829349;1529894426;mod6;haha 1829350;1529895695;hanbot;BingoBoingo> Aite, next time I go to the feria to look at kitchen utensils Imma have to bring a latina. "Evwerything on the table is a matched set you won't separate" my ass << fwiw, in my experience the SA chinese shops have actually usable knives/glassware/etc (not cast iron specifically tho), and are guaranteed not to pretensewall, or at least, not in the same manner. 1829351;1529897266;asciilifeform;oh hey the adalisp 1829352;1529898729;asciilifeform;spyked: prolly i oughta elaborate re the item in your 4th footnote. a compact lisptron has no particular reason to have any notions of parsing baked in; all it needs is 1) a basic i/o mechanism 2) a way to load an initial pre-built s-expression into the working memory and immediately evaluate it. 1829353;1529899520;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-24#1829264 << old one's busted as per comments. new one's sitting on desk, will endeavor to get posted tomorrow. 1829354;1529899520;a111;Logged on 2018-06-24 19:02 PeterL: trinque: on http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/ the links seem to be broken, I tried to leave a comment but I think it got eaten? 1829355;1529899580;trinque;just got in from 3 generations of trinque partying all weekend. 1829356;1529899656;trinque;dunno what these other idiots in shitlandia, but as for us, can gather 60 in one place and have a riot, end of world or not. 1829357;1529899662;trinque;*about 1829358;1529899680;*;trinque will see y'all in the morn, there's a naked girl to be seen to 1829359;1529899719;phf;trinque is a man of responsibility, checks on log on the way to naked girl 1829360;1529903304;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820078 << tracked it down https://web.archive.org/web/19990221231608/http://sourcery.naggum.no/emacs/ 1829361;1529903304;a111;Logged on 2018-05-31 21:40 phf: i remember seeing the archive.org version of the relevant page, but i think the correspond tar.gz was not in archive, and i gave up tryin to track it down 1829362;1529903358;phf;apparently the reason i don't remember getting the archive is because there was no archive. "release ... is planned" "i'll publish ... before i do that ..." 1829363;1529903412;phf;relatedly, an amusing post re clemacs, https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3115132473442167@naggum.no.html 1829364;1529907302;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1829365;1529907320;mircea_popescu;this habit of "i'll publish" is on the record having killed more smart men than the police. 1829366;1529907874;mircea_popescu;"If [unrelated insane nonsense], I'll publish my internal, MULE-free version, dubbed Emacs 19.2003. Before I do that, however, I need to know what you think of Emacs 20.3 -- mail me with your experiences." 1829367;1529907879;mircea_popescu;what the fuck. 1829368;1529908459;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on the other side, https://github.com/AnarchoTechNYC 1829369;1529908468;mircea_popescu;"Part of the tech antifa." in case you didn't know there is such a thing. 1829370;1529908557;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829073 << after some investigation it appears that either mysql and/or php is the issue. In other words, stopping the mysql server (thus killing mp-wp) yields the ability load static 'non-mp-wp' pages that otherwise timeout when the server is running 1829371;1529908557;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 12:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829051 << lobbes didja determine what proggy (e.g. apache?) it was that actually fell down ? 1829372;1529908560;lobbes;I'm going to try to get some server-side caching going. Though mysql error logs dun complain about lack of resources or anything, so I'm not 100% sure it'll help. And it's not like the Rockchip was running out of memory either (had over 1.5 GB of available RAM during the downage) 1829373;1529908883;mircea_popescu;caching probably a bad idea in context. 1829374;1529908895;lobbes;how so? 1829375;1529908948;mircea_popescu;mysql already caches queries ; apache already caches queries ; your os already caches memory (and the disk already caches the disk) and THEN the processor already caches instruction pipelines 1829376;1529908953;mircea_popescu;you think more caching's the solution ? 1829377;1529909021;mircea_popescu;if you have slow mysql queries (always a possiblity, with cockamamie themes / handspun php etc), ask mysql about it, it'll know. 1829378;1529909028;mircea_popescu;if you have some php problem, apache will tell you. 1829379;1529909048;mircea_popescu;don't just throw caching layers at speed problems, this isn't the 90s anymore. 1829380;1529909081;lobbes;makes sense. see I'm glad I came here before actually adding caching layers 1829381;1529909118;mircea_popescu;every solution to a problem, in terms of medicine rather than shamanism, comes with a definition of the problem first and foremost. 1829382;1529909130;mircea_popescu;if you've no idea ~what~ is slow, what are you going to do ? take pills ? 1829383;1529909222;lobbes;this is very true. in the back of my head was this lingering 'maybe this'll magic all the problems away'. damn head cockroaches 1829384;1529909242;mircea_popescu;you know ? the worst outcome of that approach is if it [seemed to] work. 1829385;1529909275;mircea_popescu;who the fuck even cares if it ever gets fixed or not. the only point of interest, really, is ~what is it ?!?!~. teh thirst for knowledge. 1829386;1529909422;lobbes;this is the point huh? Goal should really be to answer question of 'can mp-wp run on rockchip?' 1829387;1529909452;mircea_popescu;well, answer something, at any rate. "i think this works but i have no idea why or what's going on" is what monkey said about radiobanana. 1829388;1529909475;mircea_popescu;"wait mp, you mean radioactive or radioreceptive ?" "nooooobody knooowsss..." 1829389;1529909714;lobbes;aha. yeah, I got some diagnostics to perform looks like. 1829390;1529909816;lobbes;but for now, bed. I'll report back with findings 1829391;1529913238;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/kumho/ << Trilema - Kumho 1829392;1529919246;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829352 <-- this makes perfect sense and I expect works not only for the read, but also for the print portion of the loop. 1829393;1529919246;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 03:52 asciilifeform: spyked: prolly i oughta elaborate re the item in your 4th footnote. a compact lisptron has no particular reason to have any notions of parsing baked in; all it needs is 1) a basic i/o mechanism 2) a way to load an initial pre-built s-expression into the working memory and immediately evaluate it. 1829394;1529928264;ave1;spyked, nice implementation, so far the lispm code seems to fit in my head! 1829395;1529928658;ave1;btw, why not a v genesis? 1829396;1529928984;spyked;hey ty, ave1! 1829397;1529929236;spyked;I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach, so I'm not sure yet what the genesis should include. maybe only the lispm piece? or only the spec file from lispm? my sense so far is that after some discussion, at least some of the parts will be rewritten 1829398;1529931346;ave1;Well, rewriting would be helped by a genesis, discussion likewise (then the patches can be on btcbase and refered to in the log...) 1829399;1529932654;spyked;ave1, that's actually a good point. I'll put it on the todo list. 1829400;1529937091;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829397 << imho a genesis oughta be a proggy, if a minimal one, that introduces some basic functionality of the larger item ( as seen in ffa ch1 ) , rather than a placeholder, '[this is genesis and blah and other things will also go here]' -- if this makes sense 1829401;1529937091;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 12:20 spyked: I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach, so I'm not sure yet what the genesis should include. maybe only the lispm piece? or only the spec file from lispm? my sense so far is that after some discussion, at least some of the parts will be rewritten 1829402;1529937473;mod6;mornin' 1829403;1529937477;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1829404;1529937642;mod6;how goes today? 1829405;1529937660;asciilifeform;mod6: up to my nose in saecular liquishit. how'bout you? 1829406;1529937678;mod6;heheh, bout the same. 1829407;1529937733;mod6;Gonna be a busy week. Got a lot to accomplish with pizarro & foundation. 1829408;1529937792;mod6;I might not get to it this week, probably sometime in early july, but I'm going to roll in your aggression vpatch to the foundation patch set as well. 1829409;1529937852;asciilifeform;mod6: i see it as moar of a bugfix ( a la mircea_popescu's fix of the db locks constant ) rather than troo patch, fwiw 1829410;1529937914;asciilifeform;and i've yet to hear of anyffing like an argument for keeping shitoshi's idiocy of 'boot time is speshul', even as devil's advocate exercise 1829411;1529937926;asciilifeform;would be interesting to hear, if anybody can think of one. 1829412;1529937963;asciilifeform;for reference : http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks << subj 1829413;1529938073;asciilifeform;in my book, turning '6 month sync' into '3 week sync' is a win. 1829414;1529938142;mod6;for sure. indeed, bug fix. 1829415;1529938167;mod6;and i see no reason not to include it in main vtree. 1829416;1529938319;BingoBoingo;In the first half of today's game Uruguay has scored two goals and Russia has scored two yellow cards. I am starting to suspect winning strategies in futbol (selling your injuries, falling like it is a disaster every time) contribute to the local cultural failures 1829417;1529938329;asciilifeform;fwiw it's been in continuous test on zoolag since day1 ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757668 ) ; iirc several other folx also tested ( incl. 'side by side' nodez ) , see what they have ( ben_vulpes ? possibly mircea_popescu ) 1829418;1529938329;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 20:42 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html 1829419;1529938407;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829350 << We don't have many chinese here other than recent arrival prospectors, but definitely going to start knocking on doors. 1829420;1529938407;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 03:01 hanbot: BingoBoingo> Aite, next time I go to the feria to look at kitchen utensils Imma have to bring a latina. "Evwerything on the table is a matched set you won't separate" my ass << fwiw, in my experience the SA chinese shops have actually usable knives/glassware/etc (not cast iron specifically tho), and are guaranteed not to pretensewall, or at least, not in the same manner. 1829421;1529938444;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-24#1829343 << El Kiki or another? Everyone here has a mochila 1829422;1529938444;a111;Logged on 2018-06-24 19:38 mircea_popescu: recall that lulzy mochilla dood ? 1829423;1529938628;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/25/a-locking-door-gets-nearer/ << Bingo Blog - A Locking Door Gets Nearer 1829424;1529938676;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: oh hah, i thought today was Getting Keys day 1829425;1529939172;mod6;ah, well, let's hope the docs get signed today then 1829426;1529939315;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Today is. Provided dude shows up. 1829427;1529939331;asciilifeform;aah 1829428;1529939337;BingoBoingo;less than three hours away 1829429;1529944827;mircea_popescu;spyked> I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach << that ~started with a genesis~. 1829430;1529944836;mircea_popescu;so did diana_coman 's eucrypt. 1829431;1529944845;mircea_popescu;genesis should have included exactly the thing you published. 1829432;1529945197;mircea_popescu; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829397 << imho a genesis oughta be a proggy, if a minimal one << nah, a genesis can well be nothing more than the manifest, if the manifest is a one line poem. 1829433;1529945197;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 12:20 spyked: I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach, so I'm not sure yet what the genesis should include. maybe only the lispm piece? or only the spec file from lispm? my sense so far is that after some discussion, at least some of the parts will be rewritten 1829434;1529945239;mircea_popescu;there is ~no~ benefit to delaying genesis-ification. all it buys one is the naggum stupidity, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829365 1829435;1529945239;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 06:15 mircea_popescu: this habit of "i'll publish" is on the record having killed more smart men than the police. 1829436;1529945247;mircea_popescu;that's the one part of naggum you absolutely do not want. 1829437;1529945276;mircea_popescu;we already have a mechanism to deal with irrelevance, there's no need for an ad-hoc, broken, personal implementation whenever something useful may be occuring, to fuck it up. 1829438;1529945295;asciilifeform;speaking , incidentally, of 'publishing before perishing' : 1829439;1529945313;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nLG1g/?raw=true << hey mircea_popescu , what does this look liek to you ? 1829440;1529945323;asciilifeform;because to asciilifeform it looks like a lolnobus 1829441;1529945334;asciilifeform;( not, naturally, any such thing in the public src ) 1829442;1529945396;mircea_popescu;but to reiterate : there's nothing wrong with a broken, not complete, not working, not pretty etc genesis. most neonates are also not worth the fucking. 1829443;1529945452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like a pile of magic numbers, vaguely reminiscent of "what letter is on the left bottom of page 23 of manual" crap 1829444;1529945456;asciilifeform;( spoiler : seems to clumsily look for string 'escue' and some, yet to be determined, magical attribute of a candidate rsa sig ) 1829445;1529945493;asciilifeform;some entirely non-rsaific attribute, that is 1829446;1529945521;mircea_popescu;right! 1829447;1529945651;asciilifeform;and it does seem to get called in the case when neither half of rom passes rsa sig... 1829448;1529945728;mircea_popescu;escue, you know, the portion of rescue to regexp if you're too lazy to tease out off by one errors. 1829449;1529945735;asciilifeform;that very same 1829450;1529945737;asciilifeform;how else. 1829451;1529945767;mircea_popescu;because to the malbolge programmer, "is %a in %b" implemented as what index of %b is %a at can't be safely >0'd, has to be >1'd. 1829452;1529946109;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829419 << here's a pro tip : the chinese own the argentine supply chain (all those "supermercados") and, to a lesser but present degree uruguayan. they have a very powerful informal banking system, for one thing, meaning that if you know one or two of the old chinese women handling their repatriation of cash needs you're in a prime position to move millions, as i can personally confirm from 1829453;1529946109;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 14:53 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829350 << We don't have many chinese here other than recent arrival prospectors, but definitely going to start knocking on doors. 1829454;1529946110;mircea_popescu;personal, lived experience. 1829455;1529946159;mircea_popescu;it comes with other benefits, because they're well connected throughout, if you want a cop fired or a permit bit flipped ("hey, i want my restaurant to serve alcohol" / "hey, i want the restaurant downstairs to lose alcohol license so i can sleep") or whatever else they can probably help. 1829456;1529946177;mircea_popescu;in short, if in latam you want to make contact with the underground chinese republic first week not 2nd year. 1829457;1529946227;mircea_popescu;of course, they're only impressed by two things : a) wealth or b) a mastery of chinese culture. so you're in a bit of a weak spot wrt. but being in a weak spot dun change what the world is. 1829458;1529946410;*;asciilifeform has yet to meet the chinese who have a millifuck re anyffing whatsoever but wealth full-bore 1829459;1529946416;asciilifeform;*gave a 1829460;1529946451;asciilifeform;i think they 'when i hear 'culture', i reach for my pistol' more or less to a man 1829461;1529946500;mircea_popescu;not fwis. 1829462;1529946532;mircea_popescu;but of course, their idea of culture has nohing to see with what the wykeham professor of cocksucking might've told obama rice or condolezza hussein or whatever. 1829463;1529946596;mircea_popescu;i'll give you a simple example, by way of illumination. 1829464;1529946658;mircea_popescu;often, [one of] their intakes (ie, like this place) will be a large chinese restaurant. in this busy, cheap place most people come to eat. some people who come to eat also notice the elderly gentleman sitting quietly in the back somewhere at a table, usually by himself, having tea if anything. 1829465;1529946722;mircea_popescu;some of these people might even observe he's still there later that day, and early or late the next day, and so on. so they might politely approach, and state their business, "respectable old man, chow dicks sent me from fuk-u province, i must so and so". and the old man will politely tell you to come back so and so later and so on. 1829466;1529946734;mircea_popescu;this is what fucking culture is, finding uses for things. what are you going to do with an old man ? 1829467;1529946749;mircea_popescu;can't let him own the place, like fucktarded whitey. it's no good. can't throw him out on the street. wut do ? 1829468;1529946769;mircea_popescu;gatekeeper, keeps everyone happy. and in this sort of excellence of employment, the benefit of multi-millenary civilisation shows. 1829469;1529946785;mircea_popescu;they resolved problems the yahoos in our colonies daren't even touch yet. 1829470;1529947045;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829421 < http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-17#832023 / http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/ 1829471;1529947045;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 14:54 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-24#1829343 << El Kiki or another? Everyone here has a mochila 1829472;1529947045;a111;Logged on 2014-09-17 04:25 mthreat: mircea_popescu: see this yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY 1829473;1529948075;mircea_popescu;and similarily, i use my own whores to recruit young'uns ; but the chinese use their mothers. because what can you possibly do with an old woman ? what's she for in this world, if she isn't lubing up the teens and showing them how to fold their legs, a la http://trilema.com/2015/carnita/ ? 1829474;1529948124;mircea_popescu;what, she's gonna http://archive.is/JHLA3#selection-199.49-199.83 ? that's neither fucking useful not in any sense interesting, another http://trilema.com/2014/leonard-cohen-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/#selection-55.19-55.45 1829475;1529948157;mircea_popescu;vying for male attention "on her own terms", which happen to be so counter-productive she's more pitiful than an old dog sleeping on a fresh grave. 1829476;1529949881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sometimes goes to place exactly like-that, complete with old man 1829477;1529949913;asciilifeform;but given as asciilifeform dun speak cn , never got anywhere 1829478;1529950013;mircea_popescu;yes well. 1829479;1529950040;*;asciilifeform prolly doomed to learn cn at some point 1829480;1529950054;mircea_popescu;the problem is significantly compounded by the fact absolutely nobody wants to fuck the ugly dyspepsia victims they spawn. those are women ?! in what bugworld. 1829481;1529950067;asciilifeform;it so happens that i dun dislike'em 1829482;1529950083;mircea_popescu;well then you're doomed. 1829483;1529950120;mircea_popescu;russkis, you know, the only reason they still exist anymore than poland today is that they're the only white people that can find anything attractive in the balls-of-lank. 1829484;1529950229;asciilifeform;'when will you take me relax'(cn postdoc chix to a young asciilifeform) 1829485;1529950246;mircea_popescu;roflmao. 1829486;1529950261;mircea_popescu;the engrish is so fucking flavour-specific, too. 1829487;1529950268;asciilifeform;verily 1829488;1529950290;mircea_popescu;anyway, they prolly lub you, seems to be alf traits muchly valued in "'when i hear 'culture', i reach for my pistol" china. 1829489;1529950369;asciilifeform;can even make a sort of conversation with these, once succeed in snapping'em out of that human ant mode where the most interesting thing in the universe is the petrol station where 2cents cheaper etc 1829490;1529950383;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't be so harsh. 1829491;1529950399;mircea_popescu;tell them "i am a lord of this republic thingee, looking for a female chinese slave", see what they say. 1829492;1529950402;asciilifeform;fwiw ru emigres (esp of the elderly sort) often stuck in exact same mode 1829493;1529955913;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829452 << ty for the insight 1829494;1529955913;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 17:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829419 << here's a pro tip : the chinese own the argentine supply chain (all those "supermercados") and, to a lesser but present degree uruguayan. they have a very powerful informal banking system, for one thing, meaning that if you know one or two of the old chinese women handling their repatriation of cash needs you're in a prime position to move millions, as i can personally confirm from 1829495;1529955937;BingoBoingo;Imma have to find where the Chinese that aren't recent arrival WTC suit guys are hiding 1829496;1529956353;BingoBoingo;But its official. I now have the keys. 1829497;1529956375;BingoBoingo;Next stop the tramite de luz 1829498;1529956423;mircea_popescu;nice going! 1829499;1529956482;mod6;hey cool, BingoBoingo ! 1829500;1529956503;ben_vulpes;aaaawesome 1829501;1529956517;diana_coman;wow, congrats BingoBoingo ! 1829502;1529956519;BingoBoingo;I was told the way to do that tramite is over the telephone in the dead of night to experience less hold music 1829503;1529957153;lobbes;hey congrats BingoBoingo! Nothing like being able to shit in solitude on-demand, I tell you what 1829504;1529957433;mircea_popescu;well, until he gets to the point where he has a girl to lick him clean because tp's too rough, at any rate. 1829505;1529957445;mircea_popescu;there's something to be said for shitting in company! 1829506;1529957503;lobbes;well sure. but now he's got the options covered! 1829507;1529957527;mod6;Rim-Jobs: Now, On-Demand and with Enthusiasm 1829508;1529957566;mircea_popescu;live toiletry kit! 1829509;1529957640;mircea_popescu;lobbes btw, any chance you implement a !Qsearch to go to duck duck go ? 1829510;1529957701;mircea_popescu;like ye olde ;;google worked but really, no reason to have google still involved in any web process (in fact, i very much recommend iptable-blocking all their ip ranges, because whether you know or not, 80% or so of websites out there tattle back to usg.alphabet, via "google analytics" or w/e else) 1829511;1529957746;lobbes;I think I could. Problem here is that lobbesbot has two search commands as it is (!Qs for searching #eulora logs, and !Qsarchive for searching archive). Would need to dis-ambiguate 1829512;1529957753;lobbes;I guess !Qduck 1829513;1529957797;*;lobbes also needs to figure out iptables on rockchip. thing was complaining about missing modules earlier; won't start 1829514;1529957804;mircea_popescu;sure, !Qddg 1829515;1529957811;lobbes;works 1829516;1529957885;lobbes;now I feel like a true lord, my tmsr todo list has like 30 items lol. Forcing me into better organize myself though 1829517;1529957898;lobbes;I need one of these whiteboards everyone talks about 1829518;1529957916;lobbes;text files don't jump out at you every day in the same manner 1829519;1529957944;diana_coman;get a kid - that one jumps at you even more!! 1829520;1529957982;*;diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked 1829521;1529957993;mircea_popescu;i recall that thing\ 1829522;1529958003;lobbes;oh god. I can't imagine digging through eulora source code while simultaneously dealing with kid interfacing at x irregular intervals 1829523;1529958045;lobbes;I used to think I wanted kids, but really, I'm starting to see the 'pyramid scheme' angle talked about in the logs 1829524;1529958061;diana_coman;ah, no, work time is work time, can't really mix them 1829525;1529958072;diana_coman;programming doesn't go well with interruptions or at least not for me 1829526;1529958140;lobbes;makes sense. I was going to say, diana_coman must have shiva-arms extending from brain 1829527;1529958162;*;diana_coman is actually quite poor at multitasking 1829528;1529958229;diana_coman;lobbes, the part that is not obvious when you see only random kids is that they learn what *you* show them; so if you make it clear work time and get them busy at that time etc there's no problem really 1829529;1529958490;lobbes;I can see it. It is true my only exposure in my life to kids thus far has been the unrestrained wildebeasts of the US-variety. 1829530;1529958537;lobbes;*wildebeest 1829531;1529962999;BingoBoingo;How many times will I be on hold befor this phone tramite ends 1829532;1529963137;asciilifeform;in other publish-or-perish : ...i'ma prolly burn in hell for this, but ida shits out wincrapola line endings and so for now these 'pre-print' screenshits will have to do : 1829533;1529963139;asciilifeform;(1) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_ro_sig.png (2) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcer.png (3) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcement_businessend.png (4) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_pinned_pubs.png 1829534;1529963192;asciilifeform;going in order: (1) is the sig header tested by the boot maskrom ( contents not known, but can be guessed at, it has 1 hard-wired pubkey ). this we will call cr50 hitler key #0 . it cannot be changed by fw updater. 1829535;1529963260;asciilifeform;(2) is the ro (sorta misnomer, it is upgradeable) rsa checker routine, it is very loosely based on the ancient published one seen in https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/b9f5a3d6baae84950f5ff0c4f7c588e55944818a/chip/g/loader/launch.c , but with a few twists 1829536;1529963285;asciilifeform;one of them is that it pins (forces the payload pubkeys to be one of the 2 given), the two options are seen in (4) 1829537;1529963342;asciilifeform;(3) is the actual routine that forces keyid to be one of the 2 , we will call'em hitler key #1 and #2 , the latter is http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2F5EC26698365939D499561F385A39A4217604DEB38913D71AFD135B28009DAF , the former i have not converted yet (along with #0 ). 1829538;1529963376;asciilifeform;the routine linked earlier to mircea_popescu , prolly dun help us much, to activate it one must somehow corrupt the entire rom 1829539;1529963385;asciilifeform;( or rather, flip at least 1 bit in each half of it) 1829540;1529963573;asciilifeform;seen in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_unlock_nodice.txt , 'RO keyid: 0xaa66150f(prod)' corresponds to keyid of #0, and 'RW keyid: 0xde88588d(prod)' is #2 ; #1 is '0xb93d6539' and not seen in the sysinfo msg, but does show up in early vers of fw (e.g. https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/400418 ) and prolly is dedicated nsakey 1829541;1529963591;asciilifeform;^ phf , mircea_popescu , other interested folx ^ 1829542;1529963705;asciilifeform;( for n00bz / folx innocent of ida : the procedure names in the screenshits, are naturally asciilifeform's , they are not present in the bin ) 1829543;1529963735;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/ << Trilema - How to remove USG.Alphabet (usually called "google" by the jews & pantsuit) from your web experience. 1829544;1529963859;asciilifeform;fwiw i've confirmed that #1 is ~not~ any of the privkeys published at various times in their shithub. 1829545;1529963863;asciilifeform;('dev keys') 1829546;1529964171;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829496 << congrats BingoBoingo ! 1829547;1529964171;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 19:52 BingoBoingo: But its official. I now have the keys. 1829548;1529964195;BingoBoingo;Should have power between 9 and 18 tomorrow 1829549;1529964195;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829504 << iirc even the meanest hotel in BingoBoingostan, has bidet 1829550;1529964195;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 20:10 mircea_popescu: well, until he gets to the point where he has a girl to lick him clean because tp's too rough, at any rate. 1829551;1529964218;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829520 << imho it is a troo gem for the ages 1829552;1529964218;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 20:19 diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked 1829553;1529964236;*;asciilifeform actually played the whole thing, incl the expansion pack, fughet what it was called 1829554;1529964617;asciilifeform;btw typo, 'also_keyid' etc is incorrect name, really it is a ptr to the modulus 1829555;1529964628;asciilifeform;but this is 'obvious to alert reader'(tm)(r) 1829556;1529964662;asciilifeform;but , tldr -- phf was of course right , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829126 was 'too good to be true' 1829557;1529964662;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 20:39 phf: "beware of dog"? seems unlikely though.. 1829558;1529964783;asciilifeform;!Qddg 0xb93d6539 1829559;1529964791;asciilifeform;hmm i guess dunwork quite yet 1829560;1529965040;asciilifeform;in related lulz, the google dev shithub etc do mention that they use a usb 'fob' for signing. which suggested that maybe infineon-lulz 1829561;1529965043;asciilifeform;!#s infineon 1829562;1529965043;a111;31 results for "infineon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=infineon 1829563;1529965054;asciilifeform;... but asciilifeform ran the litmus on'em, and no dice 1829564;1529965062;asciilifeform;so prolly not infineon, in their 'fob'. 1829565;1529965073;asciilifeform;if anyone finds out what is in that thing, plox to write in !! 1829566;1529965206;asciilifeform;from preliminary dig, seems that there are at least 6 'people' with access to the hitler signer box. 1829567;1529965450;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1829568;1529967156;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing better than the short fp available to identify that #1 ? 1829569;1529967322;asciilifeform;whole key is in (4), i'ma throw it in phuctor later this wk 1829570;1529967344;mircea_popescu;good. 1829571;1529967356;asciilifeform;( their keyid aint even fp, they're arbitrary crapola ) 1829572;1529967367;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/vQJn5#selection-30541.468-30541.481 ftr 1829573;1529967383;asciilifeform;yea i found buncha these 1829574;1529967390;asciilifeform;all ~same thing 1829575;1529967407;mircea_popescu;well so then it is published ? 1829576;1529967415;asciilifeform;only the fp 1829577;1529967415;mircea_popescu;you mean, cuz it's only in old src ? 1829578;1529967418;mircea_popescu;aha. 1829579;1529967427;asciilifeform;the whole pub is afaik only in the bin 1829580;1529967443;asciilifeform;( does not occur in their sores repo whole ) 1829581;1529967452;asciilifeform;brb 1829582;1529968701;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: initially i thought it was possibly one of their 'dev keys', where the privs were at various points checked into their shithub ( since 'deleted' but unsurprisingly still visible with a small spot of work ) 1829583;1529968742;asciilifeform;i'ma stuff these too into phuctor for good measure. 1829584;1529968774;asciilifeform;( whoknows, could, in asteroid's chance, have shared factor with a live one ) 1829585;1529968865;asciilifeform;if it wasn't clear from the turdolade earlier, i'll note for the record : their published 'loader' is not ~entirely~ unrelated to the live one; it is, i suspect, prototype, from the fpga days 1829586;1529968883;asciilifeform;since then it was tightened down and send to become the maskrom. 1829587;1529968887;asciilifeform;*sent 1829588;1529968946;asciilifeform;if it happens that the crown j00lz end up within reach of mircea_popescu's black bags, the top prize, ftr, is key #0 1829589;1529968978;asciilifeform;the leakage of its priv would be ~= thermonuke demolition of the whole edifice, they'd have to bake new mask roms 1829590;1529969047;asciilifeform;the runner-up prizes are #1 and #2, leakage of ~these~ would allow liberation of the existing cr50's, but the boojum of 'box in airport luggage can get reflashed via usb by enemy troops' would remain just as nao 1829591;1529969090;asciilifeform;#0 is analogous to e.g. crapple's master key for ipnoje. 1829592;1529969115;asciilifeform;#1 and #2 correspond to e.g. microshit's subkeys, the kind issued to driver vendors 1829593;1529969213;asciilifeform;the contents of the maskrom per se may or may not be valuable (it may contain an unofficial backdoor of whatever sort, or may not) 1829594;1529970818;mircea_popescu;i see. 1829595;1529970980;BingoBoingo;The chromebook appliance thing just keeps getting weirder 1829596;1529971002;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: actually pretty boring thus far. seems to be exactly what asciilifeform expected. 1829597;1529971060;BingoBoingo;I mean the part where a fob exists that isn't infineon 1829598;1529971514;asciilifeform;aa 1829599;1529971932;BingoBoingo;In the latest update sometime within the next three days the fiber company will call to set up an appointment to install a pipe to the apartment. 1829600;1529972408;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/amazon-adds-jurry-option-to-firing-process/ << Qntra - Amazon Adds Jurry Option To Firing Process 1829601;1529972431;BingoBoingo;title fxd 1829602;1529977813;*;mod6 reads scrollback 1829603;1529979962;mod6;nice pics alf 1829604;1529979967;mod6;thanks for the script mircea_popescu! 1829605;1529981398;asciilifeform;ftr : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829540 >>> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBB714BB058A1C4E7038551D7311FD597B374E3EDAB9984D7D0A9470E9E1A804 ; 1829606;1529981398;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 21:52 asciilifeform: seen in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_unlock_nodice.txt , 'RO keyid: 0xaa66150f(prod)' corresponds to keyid of #0, and 'RW keyid: 0xde88588d(prod)' is #2 ; #1 is '0xb93d6539' and not seen in the sysinfo msg, but does show up in early vers of fw (e.g. https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/400418 ) and prolly is dedicated nsakey 1829607;1529981420;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829558 >>> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/69C67DD61F3A73D8F7929FE42E8CC87B8F589707B2BB4B143C85CC397A1634E2 . 1829608;1529981420;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 22:13 asciilifeform: !Qddg 0xb93d6539 1829609;1529981507;asciilifeform;this completes the set of extant (afaik) cr50 fritz keys , on phuctor . 1829610;1529981534;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-26#388015 << continuing a thread from #p; i'm partway through reimplementing createtransaction such that it takes a change address; there's no reason to keep the individual transaction size limit, is there? 1829611;1529981534;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-06-26 02:33 ben_vulpes: i'm not familiar with the design imperative driving the individual transaction size limitation, is there a reason to keep an individual from making a 1mb transaction if they'd like to?\ 1829612;1529981592;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-23#1065769 1829613;1529981592;a111;Logged on 2015-03-23 21:11 mircea_popescu: if i want to make a txn that's 1mb, i do. 1829614;1529981624;ben_vulpes;also http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/#selection-77.298-77.423 1829615;1529981754;*;asciilifeform strongly suspects that the cartel won't mine such a tx while they have any choice about it, but that's another matter 1829616;1529981943;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exponent 3, coppersmith ? 1829617;1529982052;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly 1829618;1529982247;asciilifeform;typically the mod gotta be dumb in a particular way , for it to work tho 1829619;1529984545;mircea_popescu;tru 1829620;1529992280;ben_vulpes;mod6: can i get a hand with some c++? i can't figure out how to iterate over the params array in sendtoaddresswithchange with boost or more naive iterators http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7TlSw/?raw=true 1829621;1530022327;mod6;oh, ok. 1829622;1530022334;mod6;i'll take a look here in a sec. 1829623;1530024205;mod6;prolly simplest way is like: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i68ww/?raw=true 1829624;1530024232;mod6;you could do it with an iterator too, but that's not quite as clean. 1829625;1530024265;mod6;for example: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mFY19/?raw=true 1829626;1530024345;mod6;which also leads me to see that in your code, you're attempting to use an iterator to loop over a map , and add the keys to argKeys. but you never did set the iterator to mapArgs.begin() 1829627;1530024351;mod6;so that might need to be fixed. 1829628;1530024719;mod6;well, there's also some syntactical problems, here's the fixes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TI85U/?raw=true 1829629;1530030358;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in entomology dept, https://archive.li/IAUet >> orlol,'Barbarians Rampage through Europe's Cemetery' 1829630;1530030492;asciilifeform;and meanwhile , ftr, all three cr50 pubkeyz withstood phuctoring 1829631;1530032070;asciilifeform;!!up tim17 1829632;1530032070;deedbot;tim17 voiced for 30 minutes. 1829633;1530032074;asciilifeform;tim17: hello ? 1829634;1530032123;asciilifeform;tim17: speak your words, stranger ! 1829635;1530032142;tim17;asciilifeform: stfu bitch 1829636;1530032181;ben_vulpes;.size() fuckin hue 1829637;1530032187;asciilifeform;lol nuffin else ? 1829638;1530032199;ben_vulpes;and to think i spent all that time poring over the boost docs 1829639;1530032210;asciilifeform;aite 1829640;1530032212;asciilifeform;!!down tim17 1829641;1530032216;asciilifeform;some cheek. 1829642;1530032227;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: classic intro! 1829643;1530032263;ben_vulpes;mod6: thanks 1829644;1530032269;mod6;np, Sir! 1829645;1530032276;mod6;good q's. 1829646;1530032319;ben_vulpes;lol that's kind of you 1829647;1530032408;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: at one time i tried to implement more or less same item you're making, and did the shiva thing, and in the end thought that whoever it was ( mircea_popescu ? ) who suggested that trb should simply eat ( and prompt to sign ) raw tx, generated externally via scripts, was right 1829648;1530032420;asciilifeform;parsing in boostolade is ugly 1829649;1530032469;asciilifeform;and tx input coad is safety-critical, sapper errs once. 1829650;1530032569;ben_vulpes;heh, last time i took a crack at *that* i got mired in finding unspent outputs with trb 1829651;1530032606;asciilifeform;really calls for that wallet split. 1829652;1530032708;asciilifeform;btw manual curation of unspent coinz will be much moar practical once the thing stops nonsensically crapping out random addrs to 'change' to 1829653;1530032822;ben_vulpes;do you have any output selection scripts you keep around? 1829654;1530032834;asciilifeform;nope 1829655;1530032843;asciilifeform;prolly i'm the worst to ask, i hardly ever move coin 1829656;1530032847;ben_vulpes;and yeah, i could possibly put this time into humping trinque's wallet patches down the field 1829657;1530032883;mod6;unf unf 1829658;1530032906;mod6;he's probably got some worthwhile changes 1829659;1530033127;trinque;they're ready, being held because I haven't reground the entire tree around a manifest. 1829660;1530033234;trinque;so if there's a hero around that wants to take that on, we can start getting trb patches out the door again. 1829661;1530033292;ben_vulpes;for the sake of exploring the state space; it is more desirable to regrind the whole tree rather than to introduce the manifest at this point and use it going forward? 1829662;1530033418;mod6;i'll regrind the whole trb tree. however, I think if we -must- do this, we should only do it one time. and i really don't even want to do it at all. 1829663;1530033455;mod6;that said, everything must be pretty much "firmly" in place with V rules, manifest, naming conventions, what have you, before I wanna move on that. 1829664;1530033491;mod6;everything documented and blessed. 1829665;1530033509;trinque;mod6: http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/ << can have the thread here if you like 1829666;1530033633;mod6;so this is all in lisp. is it going to be simple for n00bs to get lisp installed and to run V? 1829667;1530033669;trinque;eh? what's in lisp 1829668;1530033676;trinque;the blog post there is talking about the manifest file format. 1829669;1530033701;mod6;the "latest client" linked in the article: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/ 1829670;1530033750;mod6;Step two of the guide says "Ensure at least one of the following is installed:" "sbcl" or "ccl" 1829671;1530033766;mod6;anyway, I guess I'll have to put this on the conveyor and work through all of this. 1829672;1530033785;ben_vulpes;mod6: focus on the manifest design, not the v implementation linked in trinque 's post 1829673;1530033801;ben_vulpes;shouldn't matter in the slightest which v impl is used 1829674;1530033802;mod6;is his lisp version of V to become the new defacto thing that has manifest capabilities? 1829675;1530033817;ben_vulpes;"manifest capabilities" are baked into all V implementations 1829676;1530033820;trinque;there ~are no~ manifest capabilities to be had 1829677;1530033833;ben_vulpes;it's a single file that collapses the tree into a pillar 1829678;1530033835;trinque;the words I wrote right there gave it as an example of "this needs a manifest" 1829679;1530033842;mod6;ben_vulpes: im trying to look at the big picture. the manifest spec is a part of that, ya. 1829680;1530033870;mod6;alright, gents, I'll have to dig into all of this sometime. 1829681;1530033959;ben_vulpes;mod6: my original q was in re why regrinding the whole tree is necessary instead of introducing the manifest now and using it going forward 1829682;1530034000;trinque;ben_vulpes: because the manifest has no antecedent, and you're gonna have to go graffiti other files like an idiot 1829683;1530034047;trinque;as the tree stands now, one in makefiles.vpatch, iirc 1829684;1530034110;*;trinque imagines a house which required a tattoo on your neighbor's wife to keep standing 1829685;1530034163;trinque;probably not bad metaphor for how life does it. 1829686;1530034319;ben_vulpes;well in theory, but in practice everything below makefiles already needs a regrind; aggression to request newblocks if none have been advertised recently; hash truncation atop that. so there's an opportunity to significantly reduce the amount of regrinding by introducing the manifest after the makefiles release and just regrinding 2 patches instead of the whole tree. unless i misread the situation. 1829687;1530034423;trinque;this must be that orthogonal language I've heard about. 1829688;1530034464;mod6;i see ben's point, but i'd rather trb one whole thing, instead of a 'before manifest' and 'after manifest'. 1829689;1530034465;trinque;wherever you introduce the manifest, if it is not the root, in order to involve it in the flow of the tree, that patch must also edit some other file. 1829690;1530034492;mod6;opting to regrind the entire tree, and whatever other vpatches that need to be folded in that currently are not. 1829691;1530034533;mod6;I can delcare the v054 release with a manifest of my own ala: To declare a "release", an author's GNS pointer for a project would point to his selected manifest. 1829692;1530034555;mod6;then perhaps all the things that are still not folded in can be in a second release, or just folded in without release. 1829693;1530034599;mod6;we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. but first and foremost, the manifest items seems alright to me; "$blockCount $patchTitle $patchAuthor $comment". 1829694;1530034628;mod6;I read this all a while back when posted, liked it, will think on it some more -- but off hand, can't think of anything we might be missing. 1829695;1530034720;ben_vulpes;s/after makefiles/in the makefiles patch/ 1829696;1530034726;mod6;Perhaps we need to 1: Formally adopt the manifest spec proposed by trinque, 2: build a V that supports it. 1829697;1530034727;phf;trinque: ftr we have the "introduce manifest now without regrind, use it moving forward" pattern already implemented once 1829698;1530034811;phf;not sure if you saw the thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825784 1829699;1530034811;a111;Logged on 2018-06-15 17:26 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825631 << updated, but it's a novel way of using manifest though: normally it requires a regrind where manifest is built up as you go, so the press order is enforced through graph. right now your manifest gives a press order, that's not enforced by anything 1829700;1530034885;trinque;phf: harping on it because I don't see evidence that reason for the manifest has been internalized 1829701;1530034902;trinque;but yes totally possible 1829702;1530034914;trinque;mod6: what do you imagine needs to change in a vtron to support the manifest? 1829703;1530034955;*;mod6 thinks 1829704;1530034974;mod6;it's just a flat file that resides in the project, ya? 1829705;1530034982;trinque;yep 1829706;1530035001;phf;trinque: yeah 1829707;1530035004;mod6;ah, then nothing i can think of. don't know what i was on about there. 1829708;1530035028;mod6;should it be a part of a proper genesis? 1829709;1530035058;mod6;because if so, then we need a new trb genesis. which doesn't effect v in anyway, just another pita for trb. 1829710;1530035072;mod6;maybe a necessary one, however. 1829711;1530035087;trinque;see phf's linked line above. not strictly necessary 1829712;1530035111;trinque;what it means is that before that point, there isn't a manifest-enforced press order 1829713;1530035138;trinque;could decide that we're fine with that historical fact. world won't implode 1829714;1530035157;phf;trinque: one reason i didn't include patch name in the manifest is because patch name becomes a promise, unless you enforce it by tooling. i didn't want to go that way, but since current standard manifest does include patch name, than perhaps V ought to check the manifest against the patchset. relatedly fully manifest-based v doesn't even need graph tooling, can presumably press according to manifest's chain. 1829715;1530035157;trinque;could say we want trb to be exemplar of "how to V", in which case yeah, regrind it all 1829716;1530035174;mod6;hmm. maybe not required in a technical sense. but i'd like it all to hang together, and be proper. for posterity. 1829717;1530035199;trinque;phf: thought I had there was that if you have only a manifest in hand, perhaps the name is useful in some dht lookup for the patches later 1829718;1530035248;trinque;I agree, promisetronic without the vtron getting angry at you over mismatched name 1829719;1530035277;mod6;ah, interesting point re patch name 1829720;1530035418;trinque;ben_vulpes: got it; yeah, I'd say if it gets bolted on, inside the makefiles patch is a sensible place 1829721;1530035499;ben_vulpes;it's either there or regrind back to the genesis 1829722;1530036135;ben_vulpes;in other reports, btcfor.gifts does indeed work for small amounts 1829723;1530038391;mircea_popescu;that's quite like saying "this pile of javascript does indeed work". sure, it does, just like the item that produced http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-25.log.html#t17:56:50 worked. 1829724;1530038392;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-06-25 17:56:50: Logged on 2018-06-25 17:23:00: in other lulz : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-18.log.html#t21:39:48 ie 16.4mn is not http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/auction.php?AuctionId=221 ie 16.39999mn lobbes !!!1 1829725;1530038538;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829629 << this constant worry at the margins and in the colonies as to "europe suicide". yes, obviously, if ~russia~ let a bunch of rando foreigners in, ~russia~ would disappear. but this is because russia isn't anything, let alone very much. europe is old, and throughout this oldness it "suicided" exactly in the manner described. 1829726;1530038538;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 16:25 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomology dept, https://archive.li/IAUet >> orlol,'Barbarians Rampage through Europe's Cemetery' 1829727;1530038585;mircea_popescu;the result of that "suicide" was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826732 ; realise it or not, the difference between sicily and italy is described in true romance : "sicilians have nigger blood, because the moors were niggers". 1829728;1530038585;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 15:53 mircea_popescu: romania had no kingdom of sicily. 1829729;1530038653;mircea_popescu;experimentally, barbarian invasion does not kill europe. not when the barbaric romans ruined the etruscan and greek vases, not when barbaric germans ruined the roman vases (you know iberia is originally a place in fucking azerbaijan, yes ?) not when etcetera. 1829730;1530038671;mircea_popescu;you can't ruin cunt by fucking, it's not made of soap ; and that's what europe is, the globe's cunt. 1829731;1530038739;mircea_popescu;moreover, the only practical alternative to this "being the place everyone goes" is... "being the place everyone leaves", ie africa, russia, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-24#1829335 etcetera. 1829732;1530038739;a111;Logged on 2018-06-24 19:33 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818207 << sounds like where I live (Midland,MI: 50k people, you can go a mile out of town and have multiple acre lots) 1829733;1530038766;mircea_popescu;it doesn't seem to work out to a better alternative ; a happenstance this current know-nothing party seems to be as blisfully unaware as the previous. 1829734;1530038917;asciilifeform;civilizations live, die, i suppose to immortal olympians it isn't even particularly interesting process 1829735;1530038925;asciilifeform;to the inhabitants, however -- interesting. 1829736;1530038956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the inhabitants have 0 say in the process. 1829737;1530038962;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1829738;1530038967;asciilifeform;no moar than aids patient has a say 1829739;1530038979;mircea_popescu;yes, the women are getting raped. that's what they're for. their "ideals" don't enter into this, thyey wanted ideals they shoulda been born with an ideals between the legs. 1829740;1530038986;mircea_popescu;while born with cunt, they get what cunts beget. 1829741;1530039010;asciilifeform;at one time asciilifeform had a poster of hiv virus electromicrogram. it is very interesting-looking item. but i imagine to the folx playing host, it is interesting in very diff way.. 1829742;1530039024;mircea_popescu;!Qddg poz my neg hole 1829743;1530039039;mircea_popescu;anyway -- to the folks playing host, it is interesting like a soviet food ratios stamp. 1829744;1530039043;asciilifeform;... said the boronated silicon ! 1829745;1530039123;asciilifeform;'death by tolerasty' aint even new, iirc we had a thread re the persion variant 1829746;1530039189;mircea_popescu;there's really no point of the curent bs continuing. it's lived out its last, time to re-cluny the continent. 1829747;1530039218;mircea_popescu;and they're doing exactly that, and it's reasonable as it ever was, and i really dun see wtf the orlov's all about. "here's what i don't understand about astronomy" "ook ?" 1829748;1530039236;asciilifeform;imho the interesting bit is not that the tower of chair falls, but how it stayed up as long as it did 1829749;1530039265;mircea_popescu;exactly as described in 1984 : convincing pretense to conflict. 1829750;1530039273;asciilifeform;e.g. why not orc horde in 1949, say 1829751;1530039285;mircea_popescu;because people were pretending to be angry with each other back then 1829752;1530039299;mircea_popescu;anger will keep a dead marriage going a few years, you noticed ? 1829753;1530039423;asciilifeform;or for that matter, euro-tolerast welfare pie was as sweet in 1990s as today. why no boats of eager eaters in '90s ? 1829754;1530039436;BingoBoingo;Similarly "re-newing" vows tends to kill the marriage 1829755;1530039459;BingoBoingo; or for that matter, euro-tolerast welfare pie was as sweet in 1990s as today. why no boats of eager eaters in '90s ? << Khaddafi 1829756;1530039466;mircea_popescu;tell me truly : do you perceive any cultural damage in islamist "colonists" in their own mind blowing up the brutalist "buildings" erected by the last gasps of the european socialist governments ? 1829757;1530039478;asciilifeform;nope 1829758;1530039484;asciilifeform;q is why odin did not send'em 20yrs ago 1829759;1530039494;mircea_popescu;maybe half of what the nazi built has some inkling of merit. but the rest, every public building built in eurpe the past century, belongs torn down. 1829760;1530039534;mircea_popescu;at some point the people LIVING THERE notice this, you know ? even if dung-in-toes sheepboy orlov (laughing at the moreso-dung-in-toes other sheeboys, ha-ha!) doesn't notice this. 1829761;1530039553;mircea_popescu;if he lived in the city rather than in the barn he maybe would. or maybe wouldn't, which is why he doesn't get to live in the city. 1829762;1530039571;asciilifeform;btw recall how der fuhrer himself promised to tear down berlin and reformat 1829763;1530039596;mircea_popescu;so there you go, everyone ends up sucking up to hitler, the intellectual giant of the 20th century. 1829764;1530039605;mircea_popescu;talk about bringing salt to the snail pit. 1829765;1530039688;asciilifeform;i dunno who, tho, other than the socialist lolcows, will lament the demolition of the brutalist crapola. but there is no fly/cutlet separation, louvre etc will go down with the rest 1829766;1530039758;asciilifeform;( granted, mircea_popescu is a very http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630779 sort of fella, prolly gives somewhere below a nanoshit ) 1829767;1530039758;a111;Logged on 2017-03-22 04:08 asciilifeform: in other veryolds, 'you'll feel no dismay, watching your house burn, after you get to see how the bedbug dies!' (korean proverb) 1829768;1530039847;BingoBoingo;Eh, don't worry for the museum. Let it get some history of its own. 1829769;1530040095;asciilifeform;sorta late to 'worry', current v of euro civ was spiffy and chromed, then wrapped around a telephone pole and repaired with junkyard parts no less than twice, stayed on the road for astonishingly long time, before bumpers , floor, coming off 1829770;1530040120;mircea_popescu;turns out that http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/#footnote_4_65947 was pretty fucking prophetic 1829771;1530040132;mircea_popescu;the german democratic republic is getting itself a new people, the old one disappointed. 1829772;1530040295;mircea_popescu;aaand brecht can go hang out with the tulpas and just want to there in peace. win-win. 1829773;1530040521;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/australia-ramps-up-flight-security-theater-with-powder-restrictions/ << Qntra - Australia Ramps Up Flight Security Theater With Powder Restrictions 1829774;1530040536;asciilifeform;the picture, at least from my perch, doesn't match 'mongols come and the folx on the ramparts pretend not to notice and play cards' model; eurorasts organized, deliberately bring in the boats. what's the logic there ? 1829775;1530040576;mircea_popescu;hey, chicks been slipping themselves mickeys in bars for decades. if it dun get up you get on your knees and suck on it, what can you do ? 1829776;1530040606;mircea_popescu;what's needed's what's needed and what's done'd better fucking match up! 1829777;1530040642;mircea_popescu;but yes, this objection is quite as strong as the "why trhe fuck did they need 60+ eyars to do it". i fully expect the "rape and slaughter of europe" to disappoint the eager victims. more of a fart than a raging hard-on, in any sense. 1829778;1530040709;mircea_popescu;just think, there's in excess of 200mn cunts that desperately want and utterly need http://trilema.com/2017/mom/ ; who's gonna do it to them, the fiddy arab youths a day ? have you seen any of these malnourished shitheads in your life ? a hearthy sneeze might blow 'em down. 1829779;1530040730;asciilifeform;the 'mongols' also 'aint waht they used to be', can you picture tamerlane sitting in 'refugee camp' and filing lawsuits re the welfarola cheques bouncing ? 1829780;1530040760;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829650 << i don't recall where this was discussed. was it ? 1829781;1530040760;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 17:02 ben_vulpes: heh, last time i took a crack at *that* i got mired in finding unspent outputs with trb 1829782;1530040771;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in so many words, nope. 1829783;1530040788;mircea_popescu;though, amusingly, tamerlane did tax ~the same amt as these guys do. 1829784;1530040799;asciilifeform;seems like what they need is a martian invasion, or sumthing. 1829785;1530040806;mircea_popescu;i don't recall exactly figures etc, but the 0.1% republican tax is rather inspired by the mongol approach to government 1829786;1530040875;asciilifeform;this was variously reviewed in mircea_popescu's essays, summing up to 'modern folx can barely be arsed to do anyffing at all, not even rape & pillage, it aint easy to make'em get out of bed' 1829787;1530040895;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655547 1829788;1530040895;a111;Logged on 2017-05-14 05:03 ben_vulpes: on an eeeentiiiiirely different topic, it took months but i recently got the part of my output indexer that excises spent outputs from the index map to compile, which i believe brings the indexer part of this foray to completion. i invite any who'd like to read and comment to download the (unsigned!) vpatch from here cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch 1829789;1530040929;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is different from "i got mired in finding unspent outputs" ? 1829790;1530040962;mircea_popescu;sounds more like "i conquered finding unspent outputs" ? 1829791;1530040997;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829660 << you could just add the manifest in a patch, like diana_coman did for eucrypt. 1829792;1530040997;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 17:13 trinque: so if there's a hero around that wants to take that on, we can start getting trb patches out the door again. 1829793;1530041008;mircea_popescu;much better than having to resolve the "is it same trb" problem. what's the drawback ? 1829794;1530041117;asciilifeform;the 'is it same trb' is much smaller problem than it seems, is quite resolvable mechanically ( as demonstrated in my http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html experiment , for instance ) 1829795;1530041133;ben_vulpes;well now i have to look into this and figure out what drives the memory of getting stuck. very foggy memories suggest it was the pruning of spent outputs i was unsure of. 1829796;1530041142;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829669 << if they don't like it, they can make own / maintain yours / etcetera. there's no requirement they use that one. 1829797;1530041142;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 17:21 mod6: the "latest client" linked in the article: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/ 1829798;1530041174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd still do the "ablation of 2011-2017" later tbh. 1829799;1530041188;trinque;if the question was why I linked that one, aside personal preferences, I recall there being some bug in the perl one, which wasn't in the lisp one. 1829800;1530041225;mircea_popescu;the "multiple implementation" thing hasn't changed, just because there's a candidate reference one tbh. 1829801;1530041256;trinque;the luxury of specified items, that there can be several 1829802;1530041268;asciilifeform;^ 1829803;1530041270;mircea_popescu;trinque as i recall mod6 had had enough of maintaining his ; but this doesn't mean his work to date vanished, any noob/other person at any point hindered by the lisp v can pick up mod6's and maintain it 1829804;1530041274;mircea_popescu;or write a new one. or anything. 1829805;1530041343;mircea_popescu;iirc the big item was a reimplemented toposort. 1829806;1530041402;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho 'ablations' where you can pin down the continuity with e.g. 5line of perlade , aren't much of a problem 1829807;1530041434;asciilifeform;( granted , still not a thing that ought to be done 'every morning before breakfast' but not apocalyptic headache , is the idea ) 1829808;1530041436;mircea_popescu;not much of a technical problem, perhaps, but there really is no rush with that particular thing. 1829809;1530041459;*;mircea_popescu is not proposing apocalyptic by any means, not at all. 1829810;1530041499;*;asciilifeform at one time was quite invested in the notion of 'v format static 4evah' but mircea_popescu convincingly demonstrated that this is dumb 1829811;1530041517;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829682 << i don't get it, you can't add new files for some reason ? this wasn't my impression ? 1829812;1530041517;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 17:26 trinque: ben_vulpes: because the manifest has no antecedent, and you're gonna have to go graffiti other files like an idiot 1829813;1530041636;trinque;no, because the dependency graph is denoted through files, and not concepts 1829814;1530041649;asciilifeform;relatedly , some post-sov orcistans ( e.g. kazakh ) are toying with switching alphabets, will be interesting to see how that goes 1829815;1530041656;mircea_popescu;it's not being proposed as a retoactive fix. the idea is, ~after~ the patch that puts in a manifest, ~subsequent~ patches will be well ordered. and the fact that the earlier ones aren't exactly well ordered is a) resolved in any practical sense by the fact that you won't have patch imports across the barrier more than 1 deep (ie, once a patch after the manifest patch references a patch before the manifest patch, THAT refernec 1829816;1530041657;mircea_popescu;ed patch is now also well ordered, "caught in the patchchain" as it were) and b) we can and very likely will re-organize the portion between genesis and the manifest patch later anyway. 1829817;1530041659;trinque;cannot add a new, standalone file, without editing something that existed previously 1829818;1530041686;mircea_popescu;trinque i can't imagine why not ?! what am i missing here ? 1829819;1530041713;trinque;how's the patch look, that adds the new file? 1829820;1530041725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the classical v, you gotta touch the old filez to weld your new patch onto the ancestor-tree that you want 1829821;1530041725;mircea_popescu;like a genesis, basically. 1829822;1530041733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but you don't care. 1829823;1530041742;mircea_popescu;let people ~adding later patches~ reference it as such. 1829824;1530041753;trinque;yes, they have to reference it to bring it into the flow 1829825;1530041756;trinque;with the graffiti 1829826;1530041769;mircea_popescu;let me model this explicitly, see what's going on. 1829827;1530041784;asciilifeform;i think trinque's observation is re how to glue the ~old~ tree on, in the first manifest-bearing patch 1829828;1530041797;trinque;aha, once there's a manifest, all's fine. 1829829;1530041799;mircea_popescu;let's take http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot&search= as an example tree. 1829830;1530041835;mircea_popescu;1. you sign a new patch, manifest.patch. at this juncture, phf's viewer will show it to the side, unconnected to the tree. 1829831;1530041877;mircea_popescu;2. you sign another new patch, later on, "fixing-bugzappers.patch". this patch references manifest patch and ircbot-multichan-etc. 1829832;1530041907;asciilifeform;aa , clever, no glue 1829833;1530041908;mircea_popescu;3. you sign yet another new patch, hurr-biff.patch, referencing fixing-bugzappers. 1829834;1530041911;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1829835;1530041924;mircea_popescu;if you find the manifest patrch is useful (as you do), YOU INCLUDE IT. 1829836;1530041933;mircea_popescu;but if you do not include it, it's not there. 1829837;1530041936;mircea_popescu;this is the core of V, yes ? 1829838;1530041970;trinque;eh that accretion of patch material means patch size/readability is inversely proportional to modularity of the code 1829839;1530041997;asciilifeform;this worx; and when in 500yrs the republic schisms into west rome and east derpinople , they can have parallel manifests, etc, lol 1829840;1530042006;mircea_popescu;trinque which is why the regrind mechanism even exists 1829841;1530042012;mircea_popescu;once it becomes a pita regrind. 1829842;1530042028;mircea_popescu;but ~once~, not for lack of activity. 1829843;1530042043;asciilifeform;aha, recall the 'omfg flow graph is O(N^2)' thread 1829844;1530042051;mircea_popescu;oh, i do. 1829845;1530042072;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's answer , was , 'if the N is big enuff to be problem, yer civilization is due for a reformat' ) 1829846;1530042140;trinque;what's meant by "include it" here 1829847;1530042157;ben_vulpes;reference the manifest file in a later patch. 1829848;1530042165;mircea_popescu;^ 1829849;1530042166;trinque;yes, show me 1829850;1530042170;trinque;what's it look like in the patch file 1829851;1530042186;ben_vulpes;manifest.txt $hash_prev $hash_curr ? 1829852;1530042195;mircea_popescu;- A591AF341FF436F6A3391AA5163F6BC366358B719427154F88815D87213798C92EAE4923E6BE147B92C04562619564D7A64AD9AC51CA08E5165B0B4B3DA9813A 1829853;1530042197;mircea_popescu;+ 6ED286AA5D94E22E9087ABB55E14F7BB7EB0B098E490B0D4D6B6118BB72665C220910D24F957AC0E096A035E59A5BA3BB81AB63552010727D40AC7B8B4A2D8BB 1829854;1530042197;mircea_popescu;ircbot/manifest.txt 1829855;1530042215;ben_vulpes;right that 1829856;1530042229;ben_vulpes;and not "reference" but "edit" 1829857;1530042237;mircea_popescu;true. 1829858;1530042250;trinque;mk. I said "edit" above 1829859;1530042285;trinque;anyhow, if we're talking about how to use the manifest, got it. 1829860;1530042307;trinque;I was discussing how the manifest gets welded on, if welding on 1829861;1530042356;mircea_popescu;through usage, basically. you see a problem with that ? 1829862;1530042358;ben_vulpes;add a new file for the manifest, create a vpatch, any subsequent vpatches that don't also edit manifest must be reground into mainline. 1829863;1530042384;ben_vulpes;no graffiti even necessary. 1829864;1530042393;mircea_popescu;and gives a cheap "experimental tree" device. 1829865;1530042406;mircea_popescu;supplanting ye olde "use special signatures", which i gather was bulky 1829866;1530042644;trinque;right, subsequent usage pulls it in. 1829867;1530042707;trinque;wont be able to press a "makefiles" + manifest until that subsequent patch, but I don't really see a problem with that 1829868;1530042726;trinque;I brought up the graffiti because that'd be (and has historically been, before manifest) the way to attach the graph 1829869;1530042732;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1829870;1530042781;mircea_popescu;in other events : a new resource type just got discovered in eulora 1829871;1530042785;mircea_popescu;it's a cr50! 1829872;1530042790;asciilifeform;lol! 1829873;1530042801;asciilifeform;what's it do ? 1829874;1530042805;mircea_popescu;not even kidding (and only took like 3+years to find) 1829875;1530042809;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so far, nobody knows. 1829876;1530042830;diana_coman;aha, I guess now I have to post a screenshot with alf-dedication :P 1829877;1530042832;asciilifeform;it oughta ask player for a magic # , and detonate after 5 unsuccessful tries 1829878;1530042834;mircea_popescu;lol word. 1829879;1530042842;mircea_popescu;ON BOTH SCORES 1829880;1530042860;diana_coman;ahaha, that doesn't even sound *that* bad 1829881;1530042869;asciilifeform;character should also age by 3 weeks on each shot. 1829882;1530042873;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in further lulz : it's classified under... LUMBER 1829883;1530043419;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829714 << this is a significant gain, in that it reduces the need for elaborate toposorting. first, check the manifest chain. 1829884;1530043419;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 17:45 phf: trinque: one reason i didn't include patch name in the manifest is because patch name becomes a promise, unless you enforce it by tooling. i didn't want to go that way, but since current standard manifest does include patch name, than perhaps V ought to check the manifest against the patchset. relatedly fully manifest-based v doesn't even need graph tooling, can presumably press according to manifest's chain. 1829885;1530043483;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829715 << nah, trb is the bulkiest and most dangerous item on the table, it utterly can't be the exemplar at this early stage. 1829886;1530043483;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 17:45 trinque: could say we want trb to be exemplar of "how to V", in which case yeah, regrind it all 1829887;1530043550;mircea_popescu;basically, we just introduced the possibility of "light nodes" :D 1829888;1530043563;mircea_popescu;or w/e they called the pseudonodes, i forget. 1829889;1530043621;asciilifeform;not really analogues, afaik in the contemplated new v you still need the history, to press 1829890;1530043636;asciilifeform;'light node' would be if patches were somehow self-contained with whole hog 1829891;1530043660;asciilifeform;*analogous 1829892;1530043722;mircea_popescu;point being, "blind" v could exist that just puts in the patches as seen in manifest, checks no sigs. 1829893;1530043778;asciilifeform;it was possible even in orig v, asciilifeform's orig v99 even had a sadmode flag to trigger it 1829894;1530043821;mircea_popescu;fine!!!1 1829895;1530043823;asciilifeform;( why? because asciilifeform doesn't like to crypto in any form, even as toy, on boxes without rng, and some of his trb dev machines at the time had none ) 1829896;1530043925;asciilifeform;arguably this kind of thing doesn't belong at all in a production vtron, it is uncomfortably close to the proverbial 'null cipher flag'(tm)(r) 1829897;1530043952;asciilifeform;fwiw i had it mark all patches with 'WILD' alarm string when operating gpgless 1829898;1530043983;asciilifeform;( iirc! asciilifeform prolly oughta reread his orig coad, actually been wrong before re the mechanisms ! ) 1829899;1530044020;asciilifeform;'note: this pistol is in firing-backwards mode' 1829900;1530044065;mircea_popescu;lol 1829901;1530044363;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: almost entirely unrelatedly, didja ever have a 'iron wallets spec' article ? asciilifeform had a notion that there was one, and dug in the l0gz, found ~0 1829902;1530044390;asciilifeform;all i found were threads re various sad heathen wallets 1829903;1530044408;mircea_popescu;i recall a very early item, i don't expect much value buried there but lessee 1829904;1530044434;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't mean http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-cut-the-wallet/ do you ? 1829905;1530044455;asciilifeform;that was the closest item i found yea 1829906;1530044474;asciilifeform;but nuffin specifically re iron 1829907;1530044498;mircea_popescu;there's also http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/ 1829908;1530044518;mircea_popescu;from ~the same period. but yes, there was some discussion, hm 1829909;1530044539;mircea_popescu;you know what, thios might've been private discussions in nsa boardroom during early cardano mockups etc ? 1829910;1530044547;asciilifeform;possibly 1829911;1530044596;asciilifeform;i regularly return , on chalkboard, to the subj, but on last visit to it realized that i'm something like a nonviolinist designing violin 1829912;1530044599;asciilifeform;ideally it'd be a mircea_popescu spec. 1829913;1530044629;mircea_popescu;problem is my thinking moved away from "hardware wallet" because, honestly, what's needed is a hardware computer. 1829914;1530044634;asciilifeform;aha! 1829915;1530044642;mircea_popescu;am i going to have no rng in this wallet ? how make change address then ? 1829916;1530044657;mircea_popescu;am i going to have rng ? how small can it then be ? if not small, and rng, why is it not using a proper terminal ? 1829917;1530044662;mircea_popescu;if using proper terminal why is it not rsatron ? 1829918;1530044666;asciilifeform;conceivably rng is separable, can simply be rs232 jack in which e.g. FG goes. 1829919;1530044685;mircea_popescu;fg is large enough to make this "hardware wallet" not a credit card. 1829920;1530044689;asciilifeform;correct 1829921;1530044702;mircea_popescu;there's no half inch dolphin either, and for a reason as well. 1829922;1530044702;asciilifeform;nothing of any import will ever be 'credit card' form factor, go an audit the whatever-nm chip 1829923;1530044709;asciilifeform;*and 1829924;1530044735;asciilifeform;more likely is briefcase. 1829925;1530044737;mircea_popescu;and if you're making your dolphin 100kgs, why are you making it a sea anemone, could just as well make it dolphin. 1829926;1530044760;asciilifeform;the only reason is that wallet dun need the same horsepower as 'general' comp, can be 8bit cpu etc 1829927;1530044766;mircea_popescu;last fucking thing i need is a pile of briefcases, each painted red, and labeled. "this one -- does hashing." 1829928;1530044778;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but what it needs dun matter; thing is... what do you need ? 1829929;1530044790;asciilifeform;errybody already suffers the pile of briefcases. what i'd like is one that does walleting well. 1829930;1530044805;asciilifeform;'well' includes, e.g., 'no c' 1829931;1530044824;asciilifeform;'0 opensores legacycrapola in the mix' and so forth. 1829932;1530044830;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, why am i even having "a wallet", as opposed to say a rsa'd privkey list. 1829933;1530044858;mircea_popescu;"but mp, that's what you told them to make the wallet, and they did, back in 2012 or w/e" 1829934;1530044866;asciilifeform;well, trad bitcoin dun rsa 1829935;1530044873;mircea_popescu;reheheheally ?! look at that damned thing sometime. it's encrypted like i'm gay. 1829936;1530044943;asciilifeform;there's no rsa in trb 1829937;1530044982;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm for the historically minded. 1829938;1530045012;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/26/euloras-own-cr50/ << Ossasepia - Euloras Own CR50 1829939;1530045134;asciilifeform;lol diana_coman neato 1829940;1530045245;diana_coman;asciilifeform, cheers! and updated with floating image because that screenshot was lousy beyond belief 1829941;1530045344;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829932 << was contemplating 'wallet' in the sense of 'iron which actually signs', rather than mere bottle for keyz that get copied elsewhere to be arithmetized over 1829942;1530045344;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 20:27 mircea_popescu: come to think of it, why am i even having "a wallet", as opposed to say a rsa'd privkey list. 1829943;1530045362;asciilifeform;( the latter is quite useless heathen bauble ) 1829944;1530045599;mircea_popescu;but my point is -- by the time this iron actually signs, this iron actually also manages signatures, and therefore this iron actually is a rsatron. 1829945;1530045745;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "how to cut" piece is the controlling element here, because i don't even recall if we came up wioth a definitive answer. 1829946;1530046241;asciilifeform;i'm partial to the cut where the signing device only needs a few kb of storage. ( no. 1 in mircea_popescu's taxonomy ) 1829947;1530047213;mircea_popescu;kiyleeslut rittle led tab on the right of this one 1829948;1530047270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally! 1829949;1530047298;mircea_popescu;s.mg would be amenable to a deal whereby s.nsa puts a custom built npc in eulora and handles exchanges of euloran microchips for its own products (atm, fg) 1829950;1530047304;mircea_popescu;something like that interesting to nsa ? 1829951;1530047681;mircea_popescu;o brother. 1829952;1530047757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sounds like spiffy idea. ( all we'd need, is to restock, currently we're all sold ) 1829953;1530047780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we'll also need a little bit of code to handle it and i guess a special dolly yes ? 1829954;1530047818;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right. ( keep in mind, currently asciilifeform knows very little re subj, aside from diana_coman's mpi works ) 1829955;1530047832;mircea_popescu;so here's some wonderment for today : random fetlife slut follows a webirc link (doh, what, irc exists ?!?!?!) and ends up here, at 14:58. sits here quietly, and patiently, until at 15:05 i say something. that's SEVEN WHOLE MINUTES. this alone, you know ? and then, puts another FOUR solid minutes in wtfing this thing, so that at 15:09 she can Found it :). 1829956;1530047838;mircea_popescu;so this is going pretty good so far, yes ? 1829957;1530047848;mircea_popescu;~at which point~ the whole flood starts. not earlier, or anything. 1829958;1530047876;mircea_popescu;how, just HOW did this entire tower of chair work out to the maximal annoyance point ? absolutely NOTHING the esltards do is nearly this good at any purpose they ever declare. 1829959;1530047891;asciilifeform;logging in from ipnoje ~guarantees this 1829960;1530047900;mircea_popescu;somehow some idiots produced "smartphones" for which some other idiots "wrote software" which other idiots are using, and the end delivery is THIS 1829961;1530047905;asciilifeform;it's rather unfortunate, possibly, that the www gate even works on ipnoje 1829962;1530047923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but my question is, HOW ? the iphone is not as watertight, not as long-lived, not as bright, colorful, not as ANYTHING as it is fucking annoying. 1829963;1530047953;asciilifeform;hey if it were 1994 they'd be logging in from aol and getting modem hangup and betcha similar picture. 1829964;1530047955;mircea_popescu;ten thousand people managed to coordinate to produce something that's 40% blue and 85% interesting and 62% warm and 92% square and 100.00% FUCKING ANNOYING. 1829965;1530047960;mircea_popescu;how is this outcome even possible. 1829966;1530047986;asciilifeform;pleeb net pipes are optimized , if for anyffing, for burst throughput , not uptime 1829967;1530047987;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform precisely. how the fuck is this possible, if they worked at winning a war they'd lose, but when they don't work at sticking in my craw they manage. 1829968;1530048053;*;asciilifeform brb,meat 1829969;1530048059;hanbot;mircea_popescu by design apple exists to try and make you use its thing, whether it's some itam or some os or some cable, and it'll make things maximally unpleasant for anyone not on the bandwagon, at any point where the nonapple and the apple touch. 1829970;1530048080;mircea_popescu;but how can they be this good at that ? 1829971;1530048086;mircea_popescu;they're not nearly as good at anything else. 1829972;1530048104;mircea_popescu;besides, i betcha she's on some droid thing, rather than apple specifically. 1829973;1530048105;mircea_popescu;lessee 1829974;1530048165;mircea_popescu;iphone os 11_3 ok, you got it, crapple. 1829975;1530048360;trinque;thing's meant to train neuroses into the user, and amplifies them. neurotic brain's output is pretty damned annoying. 1829976;1530048380;trinque;she probably twitched away to some red dot, had to go get the food pellet 1829977;1530048395;hanbot;yup 1829978;1530048420;mircea_popescu;once my seething rage piped down it occured to me that "dood, what you're almost entirely about is a rejection of the lamenormal. why are you wondering that consummate normalcy gets you pissed off and why are you surprised it produces itself ?!" 1829979;1530048734;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: can you buy amazon gift cards for cash in uruguay? 1829980;1530048771;mod6;cd 1829981;1530048787;*;mod6 does the head drop 1829982;1530048795;ben_vulpes;https://www.behance.net/gallery/66684621/Ural-Amazon << perhaps a candidate for mircea_popescu 's artist hunt 1829983;1530049039;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: possibly stupid notion i had last night i'd like to float for your cfo-ly advice: with the exchange rate in the shitter, and the clear and present demand for fiat-denominated assets, how bad of an idea would it be to sell usd-denominated bonds? mod6 and asciilifeform thoughts also pls 1829984;1530050214;Mocky;Lumber? those things must have been shat out of a wood chipper >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829882 1829985;1530050214;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 19:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in further lulz : it's classified under... LUMBER 1829986;1530051474;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: can you buy amazon gift cards for cash in uruguay? << I can look. Since people tend to do Amazon through intermediaries here I don't suspect there's much of a market for the gift cards. 1829987;1530051566;BingoBoingo;Amazon only recently came to have an official though limited presence in Argentina 1829988;1530051568;ben_vulpes;amusing, because they handle the intermediation themselves now 1829989;1530051683;BingoBoingo;This isn't the US, latinos travel. 1829990;1530051696;BingoBoingo;Usually to other latino places or Miami, but still they do it 1829991;1530051719;BingoBoingo;That or they are abjectly poor 1829992;1530051741;BingoBoingo;But will investigate 1829993;1530051890;BingoBoingo;In other almost news there's now a WPA 3 standard for wifi crypto. "enterprise" version features "strong" 192 bit crypto 1829994;1530053045;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as i understand, we're a ~bitcoin~ isp, not a usd isp... 1829995;1530053094;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: and this absolves of the need to hedge? 1829996;1530053120;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825172 1829997;1530053120;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 21:37 mircea_popescu: what, and turn it into a financial speculator ? usually firms go that way after making so much revenue they run out of capital goods they might buy 1829998;1530053202;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829972 << pnojeism is a much larger problem than merely crapple, and is really an entire constellation of dysfunctions enabled not by the turdalicious gadgets themselves but, as iirc mircea_popescu pointed out repeatedly, by issuing pseudo-comps to folx who ought to be operating plows and oxcarts fulltime 1829999;1530053202;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 21:21 mircea_popescu: besides, i betcha she's on some droid thing, rather than apple specifically. 1830000;1530053221;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: and immediately thereafter http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825184 1830001;1530053221;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 21:43 mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta. 1830002;1530053250;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'll be the 1st to point out that this puzzler is out of asciilifeform's depth, lessee what mircea_popescu thinks 1830003;1530053324;*;ben_vulpes waits 1830004;1530053404;ben_vulpes;if a 'javier' name shows up and my attention is elsewhere, someone please up the fellow, i'd like to build bridges out of lbtc and he might be one 1830005;1530053923;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/26/and-then-there-was-light/ << Bingo Blog - And Then There Was Light 1830006;1530058184;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you mean, besides it being illegal ? 1830007;1530058367;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the ongoin glulz, Biology-Babe 19F sub "I may be submissive by kink, but I am an strong independent women." LordMPofTMSR "Everyone thinks so." Biology-Babe "Jesus Christ. Fucking respect me you misogynistic douche" LordMPofTMSR "Nah." 1830008;1530058580;ben_vulpes;illegal per usg "accredited investors" circus? 1830009;1530058582;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829604 << wait what script ?! 1830010;1530058582;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 02:26 mod6: thanks for the script mircea_popescu! 1830011;1530058603;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well yes, you happen be raising children in a jurisdiction which has decided "issue fiat bonds" is a crown monolpoly. 1830012;1530058605;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: probably the jooblocker 1830013;1530058620;mircea_popescu;i mean, i could also start a medicine w/o a license sideline for the same money. 1830014;1530058625;mircea_popescu;oh oh right. 1830015;1530058646;mircea_popescu;(contrary to common sense, these are pestilentially common in the us) 1830016;1530058719;asciilifeform;!#s fix-a-flat lipo 1830017;1530058720;a111;0 results for "fix-a-flat lipo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fix-a-flat%20lipo 1830018;1530058722;asciilifeform;hm. 1830019;1530058736;mircea_popescu;is this the "industrial silocone butt injection" ? 1830020;1530058749;asciilifeform;them 1830021;1530058778;asciilifeform;regular, if modest in scale, corpse generator in this here monkeystan 1830022;1530058792;mircea_popescu;myeah 1830023;1530058849;*;asciilifeform assumed that ben_vulpes simply duncare re moving up in the gassing queue 1830024;1530058953;ben_vulpes;there is the "convertible note", which is how the shartupists do a similar thing. 1830025;1530058985;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the 'shartupists' are agents of usg crown in good standing. 1830026;1530058996;ben_vulpes;if mircea_popescu would spare a lecture on the notion, ex the usg gassing constraint, i would read intently. 1830027;1530059014;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1830028;1530059208;ben_vulpes;nevermind, i'll just read my kindleberger instead 1830029;1530059219;asciilifeform;lolwat 1830030;1530059251;mircea_popescu;does the thing have salespeople / funnel up yet ? 1830031;1530059355;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo and lobbes have been working the hosting forums, i don't know what 'funnel' to put together other than get folks to sign into the #pizarro chat room and get them accounts 1830032;1530059401;mircea_popescu;traditionally there's a landing page involved. 1830033;1530059411;mircea_popescu;a/b testing, a whole spiel. 1830034;1530059609;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo has made http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/ and finessed the copy on the rest of the site; isn't a/b testing on landing pages what you do after putting cash down on a CPM/CPC/CPA program? 1830035;1530059663;mircea_popescu;well, after having some sort of flow large enough to be statistically meaningful, yes. 1830036;1530059794;ben_vulpes;and with clickbank not touching btc, 'a(nonymous)-ads' out for not being in the wot all these years, i'm back to the drawing board on where to buy ads/how to drive traffic 1830037;1530065201;mircea_popescu;so is the idea your contribution sums up to "i don't know how to organize sales and why don't we do more fiat things" ? 1830038;1530065232;mircea_popescu;there's about 500 billion fiat-like isps. you can probably buy euro-denominated bonds fron hetzner or ovh or w/e as it is. 1830039;1530065252;mircea_popescu;and they also implement the latest european commision directive or w/e they call the bullshit in-game. 1830040;1530068357;ben_vulpes;i definitely don't know how to organize or drive sales, doing what i see needs doing, and what gets suggested to me, and float my own (bad) ideas. i'm in no way attached to "fiat things". because the exchange rate is eroding capitalization so brutally i thought it worthwhile to take another one on the chin in case this particular bad idea had some flake of merit in it. 1830041;1530068407;mircea_popescu;yeah, the downmovement caught you overcapitalized/underequipped did it. 1830042;1530068513;ben_vulpes;100% 1830043;1530068549;mircea_popescu;fortunately, it was yet small. 1830044;1530068552;ben_vulpes;betting that the bill for the rockchip plant is going to hurt by the same token 1830045;1530068562;ben_vulpes;!!up mobile436523 hola 1830046;1530068563;deedbot;mobile436523 voiced for 30 minutes. 1830047;1530068647;mircea_popescu;what can you do. 1830048;1530069176;ben_vulpes;during the day: sweat! during the night: sweat! but also stare at the ceiling 1830049;1530069202;mircea_popescu;at least you get to come. 1830050;1530074852;mircea_popescu;and in other holy shit pantsuitidiocy, the world of wankfic historical rewrites doesn't begin or end with tarantino's "inglorious basterds" imbecility. there's also something called "in tranzit", with the malkovitch moron. about how women can be like, persons and things, dontcha know, even in 1946. 1830051;1530074931;mircea_popescu;terribad ; but to add idiocy to idiocy, they use и instead of N because won't thart be authentic. so you end up with "JOHИ" derpopovich. 1830052;1530074962;mircea_popescu;ima totally call that fucktard joni malkovich from now on. 1830053;1530075529;asciilifeform;dafuq 1830054;1530075557;mircea_popescu;whole new sorta eggog. 1830055;1530100282;mircea_popescu;aaand in other lulz, "if (int16 (CS::Threading::AtomicOperations::Decrement (&typeAndRefCount) & 0xffff) <= 0) 1830056;1530100282;mircea_popescu;" 1830057;1530101031;mircea_popescu;oh and in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829543 i am pleased to announce s.mg is ripping out googletest infrastructure. good fucking riddance, evil imbeciles. 1830058;1530101031;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 21:55 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/ << Trilema - How to remove USG.Alphabet (usually called "google" by the jews & pantsuit) from your web experience. 1830059;1530106970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what was 'googletest' ? 1830060;1530107084;mircea_popescu;google does all sorts of "useful" things, basically trying to copy the tmsr model. they have a "google fonts" thing half the sites on the internet link (and in the process, give usg details on the zeks whereabouts every so often) ; they have a "code repository" about a quarter the sites on the internet link (this is instrumental in the multi-mb liquid shit webpage era -- 0 cost liquid shit provided by usg's own alphabet. they 1830061;1530107085;mircea_popescu; have their own "programming languages" and "toolkits" for all sorts of crap. therein included, a "testing framework". 1830062;1530107095;mircea_popescu;i think they're making a browser and a compiler also. 1830063;1530107123;asciilifeform;aa 1830064;1530107158;mircea_popescu;in the instant case, it's about 200k loc of nsa strange + of course all sorts of undesirable dependencies (such as... cmake) 1830065;1530107166;asciilifeform;they run on trooly vertically-integrated arse-mouth system, verily; asciilifeform to this day has not succeeded in building any of their 'open' sores of e.g. cr50 1830066;1530107169;mircea_popescu;diana_coman has the whole list if you're curious. 1830067;1530107195;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829969 you know ? 1830068;1530107195;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 21:20 hanbot: mircea_popescu by design apple exists to try and make you use its thing, whether it's some itam or some os or some cable, and it'll make things maximally unpleasant for anyone not on the bandwagon, at any point where the nonapple and the apple touch. 1830069;1530107198;asciilifeform;( pretty much requires dedicated box where you set up ~their~ crapola, all the way down , to build any of it ) 1830070;1530107242;asciilifeform;i'm actually impressed that you folx managed to build any of it on a human compiler 1830071;1530107276;mircea_popescu;it's not "apple". it's google, it's "fiat bonds". what, you're gonna issue fiat bonds, well, "gotta import this here 2mn loc of inane bs / assorted strange". it will include "gotta use ssh/dns/tor/etc" just as it will include "gotta http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830007 code of conduct" and so forth. 1830072;1530107276;a111;Logged on 2018-06-27 00:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the ongoin glulz, Biology-Babe 19F sub "I may be submissive by kink, but I am an strong independent women." LordMPofTMSR "Everyone thinks so." Biology-Babe "Jesus Christ. Fucking respect me you misogynistic douche" LordMPofTMSR "Nah." 1830073;1530107284;asciilifeform;( it is prolly analogous to asciilifeform's feat, some yrs ago, of building working microshit drivers using gcc ) 1830074;1530107340;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or, for that matter, to the feat of interfacing with fetlife. 1830075;1530107390;asciilifeform;prolly similar flavour. 1830076;1530107403;mircea_popescu;verily. 1830077;1530107509;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing flavours, here's a bit of flavour : this certain slut's not been allowed to cum for a long time now, i won't get into the details. as i'm running out of unpleasant things to make her to to herself (btw, ever had a girl rub salt in her snatch ?), she got ordered to buy some nice thick candles ("you got candles ?" "you mean like tealights ?") and deepthroat them while dripping wax on her snatch and rubbing 1830078;1530107509;mircea_popescu; it out. 1830079;1530107512;mircea_popescu;guess what happened ? 1830080;1530107529;asciilifeform;lol! 1830081;1530107621;mircea_popescu;you're supposed to guess what happened! 1830082;1530107659;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595615 << prolly this 1830083;1530107659;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 18:09 asciilifeform: 'Вот царевна под замком / стонет сизым голубком, / слезы тяжкие роняет, / за свечой свечу вставляет... / Извела уж сто свечей, / а ничуть не легче ей.' 1830084;1530107676;mircea_popescu;nope. 1830085;1530107680;mircea_popescu;~power went out~ 1830086;1530107691;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 1830087;1530107706;mircea_popescu;you get me, misfortunate slut trying to escape the banana republic ? lives in one of the top 10 "majorest urban centers" in that decrepit shithole 1830088;1530107716;mircea_popescu;there she is, rubbing herself by candle light like a god damned monkey 1830089;1530107724;mircea_popescu;if she didn't have me, she'd be actually in the dark. 1830090;1530107731;mircea_popescu;how'd you like that FUCKING FLAVOUR ? 1830091;1530107780;mircea_popescu;the foregoing is strictly and absolutely true, by the way, not a stitch of fabrication (on either the story or the slut involved, for that matter). 1830092;1530107855;*;asciilifeform believes 1830093;1530107942;asciilifeform;wait, decrepit shithole ? this is an outpatient ?! 1830094;1530107953;mircea_popescu;yes 1830095;1530107958;asciilifeform;neato 1830096;1530107965;mircea_popescu;we just recently met. "on" fetlife. 1830097;1530107972;asciilifeform;aaah, these 1830098;1530108007;mircea_popescu;yep. 1830099;1530108015;mircea_popescu;was what we were discussing neh 1830100;1530108037;mod6;mornin 1830101;1530108041;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1830102;1530108058;mircea_popescu;how goes teh modlandia ? 1830103;1530108085;mod6;ah, not too bad! need coffee, just catching up on the log. 1830104;1530108384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, if anyone explains the difference between a) "an strong independent women" (hey, at least she omitted the s plural, inexplicably) ; b) "ssl is good for you and openssh bla bla bla tor bla bla hurr" ; c) http://qntra.net/2018/06/australia-ramps-up-flight-security-theater-with-powder-restrictions/ http://qntra.net/2018/06/british-court-places-rappers-under-musical-court-supervision-for-3-years/ etc etc, i' 1830105;1530108384;mircea_popescu;m all ears. 1830106;1530108414;mircea_popescu;all i can see from this chair is a bunch of "please care about us" peculiar toolings. exactly the gates gambit of 1980s. 1830107;1530108526;mircea_popescu;"no static linking" is how you say "no actual ownership of anything" in the context of computer programming and "i am heavily into consent" is how you say "no static linking" in the context of sexual practice and so fucking following. 1830108;1530109862;mircea_popescu;!!up mobile436523 1830109;1530109863;deedbot;mobile436523 voiced for 30 minutes. 1830110;1530109867;mircea_popescu;who might you be, then ? 1830111;1530110882;BingoBoingo;In other news, the Uruguayos reinvented the hostel and the pension in still more retarded form https://www.elobservador.com.uy/coliving-una-tendencia-vivienda-que-busca-su-lugar-uruguay-n1247718 1830112;1530111656;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo this is just us import, "roommates" 1830113;1530111744;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They've had versions already including living with the parents until the parents croak and the ghetto pensions which appear to be a Latino implementation of the traditional English "bedsit" 1830114;1530111792;mircea_popescu;living with the cattle set to make a resurgence soonish. 1830115;1530111825;BingoBoingo;Just about 1830116;1530111914;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/popular-centerist-dutch-newspaper-attacked-with-flaming-van/ << Qntra - Popular Centerist Dutch Newspaper Attacked With Flaming Van 1830117;1530112121;BingoBoingo;And the Fiber monopoly just called. Installation scheduled for next week. 1830118;1530112153;mod6;cool 1830119;1530112502;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL 1830120;1530112503;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1830121;1530112561;PeterL;hi, I was just trying to build the vtools, and I ran into this problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AuLgQ/?raw=true 1830122;1530112627;PeterL;I got the files from http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static 1830123;1530112912;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-captures-35-entrepreneurs-in-coordinated-attack-on-commerce/ << Qntra - US Captures 35 Entrepreneurs In Coordinated Attack On Commerce 1830124;1530113616;BingoBoingo;!Q later tell Jurov http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HV7Z2/?raw=true 1830125;1530113617;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1830126;1530115013;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suppose now you can run your own hostel on wot basis! 1830127;1530115016;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/imaginary-questions-nobody-asked-of-me-an-incomplete-compendium/ << Trilema - Imaginary questions nobody asked of me, an incomplete compendium. 1830128;1530115130;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That could be a thing in the future 1830129;1530115137;mircea_popescu;ikr. 1830130;1530115267;BingoBoingo;The biggest problem with the hostel model as I've seen is that the "anyone can book" aspect means at least once a month someone who isn't fit to sleep with the cattle ends up not only staying, but frequently overstaying. 1830131;1530115455;BingoBoingo;In other news the Junkie from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/02/notes-from-observing-a-latino-junkie-on-vacation/ is back. I don't know what the fuck happened to the apartment he "bought" in Punta Del Este. Of all the people from earlier who could have returned before I left it had to be the scumbag trying his very hardest to die. 1830132;1530115753;mircea_popescu;i said wot. 1830133;1530116106;BingoBoingo;Right, the wot fixes that problem. A recommendation only hostel wouldn't get that kind of vermin 1830134;1530116716;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830123 >> 'Seizure of nearly 2,000 Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies ... Bitcoin mining devices, computer equipment' << waterfall is well-fed this summer 1830135;1530116716;a111;Logged on 2018-06-27 15:21 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-captures-35-entrepreneurs-in-coordinated-attack-on-commerce/ << Qntra - US Captures 35 Entrepreneurs In Coordinated Attack On Commerce 1830136;1530116780;asciilifeform;'...numerous U.S. Postal Service shipping boxes, already addressed to customers around the United States, which boxes contained hairbrushes some of which had already been packed with powder cocaine for distribution' << lol!! 1830137;1530116787;asciilifeform;hairbrushes. by post. 1830138;1530116791;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1830139;1530116898;asciilifeform;'At the time of arrest, law enforcement had already seized approximately $437,000 in cryptocurrencies from Powell' << do they have some very speshul hot irons installed at police station nao, or how else 'time of arrest' cokemachine. 1830140;1530116933;asciilifeform;this just gets lulzier, 'Porras and Vue then laundered the Bitcoin proceeds of their drug distribution through the HSI undercover agent located in New York' << hey mircea_popescu didja know that btc had to be 'laundered' ? 1830141;1530117001;mircea_popescu;eh, whole stack of nonsense so tall by now, attempts to interact with it on the face indistinguishable from pardoy. 1830142;1530117028;asciilifeform;'McMonegal then laundered the Bitcoin proceeds of his drug distribution through an undercover agent located in New York. After receiving the Bitcoin from McMonegal, the undercover agent mailed parcels of cash to McMonegal in San Luis Obispo and Mariposa' << wat even. 1830143;1530117044;asciilifeform;day at the circus. 1830144;1530117052;mircea_popescu;as far as anyone knows, usg is still churning the same bitcoin dust it got by clicking on faucets back in 2012. first it "sold it" via the usms scam, now it "captured" it and so following. 1830145;1530117199;*;asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to refute this hypothesis with data available to him 1830146;1530117223;mircea_popescu;i don't get the hairbrushes twist. is cocaine supposed to look like dandruff or what ?! 1830147;1530117234;asciilifeform;presumably in the handles ? 1830148;1530117298;asciilifeform;iirc i saw a photo of such a cheap trick in a ru prison smuggling discussion 1830149;1530117312;mircea_popescu;http://www.wfmj.com/story/37983171/ypd-finds-suspected-heroin-hidden-in-hairbrush << seems they have a factory of Evidence Hairbrush 1830150;1530117314;mircea_popescu;or somesuch 1830151;1530117340;asciilifeform;three doors down from the one where they make the 'grenade launcher' that is inevitably somehow found in erry busted house 1830152;1530117367;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in peculiar deaths, "Dr. Andreas Niederbichler, 42, put cocaine on his penis before the unnamed 38-year-old woman went down on him. Police say Niederbichler did the same thing with three other women." 1830153;1530117374;mircea_popescu;(spoiler -- she died) 1830154;1530117397;asciilifeform;must be roadcone cock, to hold lethal dose, eh 1830155;1530117444;mircea_popescu;http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/health/2018/04/13/doctors-lover-dies-after-ingesting-cocaine-while-performing-sex-act-report-says/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/931/524/1523653527588.jpg << looks like he needed it, too. 1830156;1530117543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not really, if it's uncut and the woman's unused, she can croak just fine out of a sprinkling. 1830157;1530117552;asciilifeform;interesting 1830158;1530117556;mircea_popescu;penis terrible delivery mechanism, you never know how much gets slobbered down your ballsac etc. 1830159;1530117576;mircea_popescu;there's a reason doctors don't deliver medicine this way, you know ? 1830160;1530117600;asciilifeform;iirc it's the strongest known local anaesthetic.. why wouldja put it on cock 1830161;1530117609;asciilifeform;d00d must've suffered from light trigger 1830162;1530117768;mircea_popescu;i have nfi, ~none of it makes any sense 1830163;1530117920;asciilifeform;in reich courts, facts are entirely optional, 'mens rea' suffices, 'he thought it was a genuine death ray', 'he bought the sugar from usg agent thinking it was cocaine, guilty of 25 pound of cocaine, 25 to life, next' etc. 1830164;1530118104;mircea_popescu;anyway, the world is full of junkies going "he-he, 1 gram cocaine ld50, i once bla bla bla". yes, obviously, if you do enough it stops doing anything whatsoever eventually. but in civillians... 1830165;1530118176;asciilifeform;aha, hence the typical end of career, where d00d cools heels in a jail for a spell, then, gets out, buys his old dose, 'celebrate' 1830166;1530118211;asciilifeform;( speaking of which... anybody hear from gabriel_laddel lately ..? ) 1830167;1530118230;mircea_popescu;or, "here, everyone does this much", 16 yo gets seizures. "everyone ie a bunch of old crack whores ?! wow!" 1830168;1530118311;mircea_popescu;and, of course, genetics. i wonder why alf's "drunk" booze level is samoan's "dead" booze level. 1830169;1530118363;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do the inca ( err, the classical ones, in south a. ) have analogous enzyme for coca ? 1830170;1530118370;mircea_popescu;i have nfi 1830171;1530118405;asciilifeform;perhaps BingoBoingo knows.. 1830172;1530118440;BingoBoingo;I have my doubts that they do. They ones who do it here are mostly bums getting hight off of low content waste products. 1830173;1530118493;asciilifeform;PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830121 << lemme guess, were you building on crapple ? 1830174;1530118493;a111;Logged on 2018-06-27 15:16 PeterL: hi, I was just trying to build the vtools, and I ran into this problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AuLgQ/?raw=true 1830175;1530118959;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL 1830176;1530118960;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1830177;1530118993;PeterL;asciilifeform: worse, this is cygwin 1830178;1530119116;PeterL;is the token SWAP_BE64 something that you don't have to define on good systems? 1830179;1530122635;phf;PeterL: the approach that we've been taking with legacy C code is pulling out autotools, and replacing with a single #ifdef/.. configuration header. outside of linux/bsd code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file (http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 in case of vtools) and patch it for your system 1830180;1530122661;asciilifeform;this headache oughta start evaporating once we pin down gcc for all time 1830181;1530122728;phf;well, not until we also start providing our own, portable libc with all the possible portable functionality included. like bswap64 in this case 1830182;1530122736;asciilifeform;phf: musl 1830183;1530122939;phf;that's not the source of the issue though, musl is libc, all the other libc's also support the entirety of libc, the horror crawls through the parts where no libc or posix or whatever exists. for example byteswapping code is not in there 1830184;1530122977;asciilifeform;phf: right, but if errrybody is building off same libcism, proggies will be massaged until builds without eggog 1830185;1530123001;asciilifeform;the nonsense where each builder has own ball of ??? masquerading as a working toolchain/headers/etc set, has gone on long enuff imho 1830186;1530123036;asciilifeform;i abolished it in trb ( rotor ) , ave1 -- for gnat, and really ought to end with the logical conclusion, standard cuntoo musl/headers/gcc. 1830187;1530123239;phf;hmm 1830188;1530123263;phf;well, in that case the problem is already solved. if PeterL were to install cuntoo with musl (or without) vtools will build. 1830189;1530123330;phf;but where this subthread started "_outside of linux/bsd_ code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file and patch it _for your system_ 1830190;1530123481;asciilifeform;right, folx who insist on using heathen ??? toolchain, are on their own. 1830191;1530123539;phf;vtools are already pre-heathened, support apple and freebsd 1830192;1530128606;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of the Republic, if anyone has any updates or changes to the list of Advertised Republican Nodes, please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks in advance. 1830193;1530129911;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the cocaine mystery resolved by the conclave of girls that know all sexual things (tm) : yes strongest local anesthetic ; the thing called "face fucking" (ye olde irrumatio, as in "paedicabo ego vos et irrumabo") requires a skilled practitioner on the receiving side. if doctor prefers to fuck other people's wives, anesthesia help.s 1830194;1530129941;asciilifeform;ha. 1830195;1530130001;asciilifeform;still seems like 'if yer sexing requires anaesthesia, yer doing sumthing wrong' but what do i know. 1830196;1530130015;mircea_popescu;i hope you're as impressed as me with the nude and rude, "ask a question, get an answer, this isn't fucking about". 1830197;1530130024;asciilifeform;trooly. 1830198;1530130027;mircea_popescu;sex > programming! 1830199;1530130076;asciilifeform;programming already mostly done under anaesthetic, consider how many of the practitioners won't even report for dooty if they're out of $substance 1830200;1530130095;mircea_popescu;word. 1830201;1530130735;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830191 << ahahaha this guy. 1830202;1530130735;a111;Logged on 2018-06-27 18:18 phf: vtools are already pre-heathened, support apple and freebsd 1830203;1530130814;mircea_popescu;in other strange, there's apparently a town of ypsilanti in michigan. 1830204;1530133884;asciilifeform;phf: if the support is implemented with #ifdef's, then it really gotta go imho 1830205;1530133887;asciilifeform;ifdefs are evil. 1830206;1530133964;asciilifeform;( a proggy that can't get by without'em, really oughta be split into vtrees per idjit os/iron/etc that were formerly ifdef'd coadpaths ) 1830207;1530133994;asciilifeform;because otherwise, folx are in effect signing coad they could not possibly have tested. 1830208;1530134063;asciilifeform;it is for this reason that asciilifeform cut most ( unfortunately not all, there is room for improvement! ) ifdefolade, out of trb. 1830209;1530134239;asciilifeform;( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595513 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-03#1359475 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-19#1347881 , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-24#894345 , elsewhere. ) 1830210;1530134239;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 17:27 asciilifeform: it was literally a week+ of sawing off #includes, nixing #ifdef's, moving blocks of code from 1,001 places and deduplicating, etc. 1830211;1530134239;a111;Logged on 2016-01-03 03:48 mircea_popescu: static, de-#ifdef'd, etc. <<< that's pretty cvool actually. 1830212;1530134239;a111;Logged on 2015-12-19 22:28 asciilifeform: 'portable' on my planet means PORTABLE and not a gaggle of #ifdef's 1830213;1530134239;a111;Logged on 2014-10-24 23:22 asciilifeform: because all that was done in patch 1, is remove ifdef crud 1830214;1530134346;phf;considering that no one but myself have signed vtools i'm not too worried about that part 1830215;1530134434;asciilifeform;the principle of the thing, phf 1830216;1530134457;asciilifeform;i've prolly signed a #ifdef DEC_PDP11 piece of shit at some point. dun mean it ain't a sin. 1830217;1530134938;phf;well, in principles i'm not buying the untested code signing argument, because we don't have a universal measure for what code signing indicates. you've attempted to solve that problem, but it's not been used by anyone. i think right now effectively code signing works like a wot rating, without a rating. you have to consult with the signer to discover what the intent was. 1830218;1530134980;asciilifeform;phf: however it ends up defined, signing coad you could not possibly have run, and which -- given how c worx -- could contain literally ~anything~ -- can't possibly be The Right Thing 1830219;1530135020;mircea_popescu;phf this is not avoidable, to figure out ~why~ you put x.key in your seals dir you gotta know, human-know, what x stands for. 1830220;1530135024;phf;well, vpatches without one true genesis implicitly bring in the world 1830221;1530135080;phf;you're not signing that printf on counterparty's machine doesn't actually bind to system("rm ...") 1830222;1530135106;asciilifeform;phf: that's rather exactly what you're signing when you sign a proggy with inactivated #ifdefolade 1830223;1530135128;asciilifeform;unless you actually went and studied what happens in each possible combo of toggles 1830224;1530135135;asciilifeform;on the requisite platforms etc 1830225;1530135164;mircea_popescu;but what ~happens~ not ~what could happen~. 1830226;1530135176;asciilifeform;correct, the 'could' is inaccessible. 1830227;1530135209;mircea_popescu;so what is "happens" ? what ~should have happened~ or what ~did happen~ ? 1830228;1530135231;asciilifeform;but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have e.g. pdp11, you won't bother reading its ifdef blocks; and supposing you did read'em, your grasp of what takes place inside won't be worth much if you don't regularly inhabit that platform 1830229;1530135250;mircea_popescu;now this much is so. 1830230;1530135264;mircea_popescu;on the other hand of this argument, "hey mp, what time is it ?" "when ? now ? or when you asked me ?" 1830231;1530135273;asciilifeform;lol ntp thread!111 1830232;1530135281;mircea_popescu;it is. 1830233;1530135343;phf;this argument also applies to the entirety of code off the happy path. "but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have you won't bother reading its ". 1830234;1530135379;asciilifeform;re ifdef, n00bz are invited to study how the c preprocessor worx, and shudder at e.g. the fact that they can contain ~other~ ifdef's, which in turn can change the meaning of ~any~ string in the proggy 1830235;1530135401;asciilifeform;phf: this is an unfortunate fact of life for state machine, but it is to be ~fought~, not give in to. 1830236;1530135404;mircea_popescu;phf the "considering that no one but myself have signed vtool" argument is disingenuous in the sense that of telling sons "considering i'm the only one fucking anything...". dami tempu ca ti pirtusu 1830237;1530135433;mircea_popescu;in the sense of dad telling sons* 1830238;1530135462;phf;mircea_popescu: it was more of a tongue in cheek, since i think that asciilifeform is tediously relentless on this particular point 1830239;1530135526;asciilifeform;the correct way to handle the 'gotta change these 17 things to work on pdp11' problem is: v. 1830240;1530135549;mircea_popescu;the problem though remains, and it goes right into ye olde orthogonality and language discussion ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772426 ) : for sigs to mean anything useful they must not mean anything systematical. 1830241;1530135549;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 20:11 mircea_popescu: and all this goes right into that older thread of ambiguity, orthogonality and language -- you can never make a language that's orthogonal and ~useful~ in the natural sense. let alone "that anyone'd want to use". 1830242;1530135591;mircea_popescu;so it'd seem the directly evident solution is also correct : let him pull out all ifdefs and let you maintain them, and if this means divergent-same trees, what of it. 1830243;1530135625;mircea_popescu;coherence is after all expensive, and yet-another statement of "the core of this here republic" would be that we don't value coherence above our own heads. 1830244;1530135672;asciilifeform;witness, for instance, how the linux kernel became a 'katamari' of shit-you-will-never-run-even-if-you-live-for-9000-yrs 1830245;1530135678;phf;asciilifeform: i'm still unconvinced by this line of argument, and not on technical merits. i think there's a point that i can't articulate, about what it is that you're signing exactly. an if-def-less code suffers from the same problem that you're trying to apply to ifdef specifically. i can't sign that printf is not malicious on the target machine. 1830246;1530135724;asciilifeform;phf: you dun see a difference between printf() and wtf-func-that-only-exists-on-pdp() ? 1830247;1530135733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform show it to me ? 1830248;1530135769;mircea_popescu;phf nevertheless, his argument is reductionist not categorical. saying "all men die, even those without pneumonia" is not a good reason for bb to not go see doctor. 1830249;1530135811;asciilifeform;when you sign a snipped containing #ifdef pdp ... wtf() #endif , you are , unless explicitly otherwise claimed, signing a thing that you haven't the foggiest notion of running, or even statically digging into 1830250;1530135815;asciilifeform;it's as simple as that 1830251;1530135829;asciilifeform;*snippet 1830252;1530135832;phf;mircea_popescu: but his argument doesn't indicate how pneumonia is a disease. "you will die from pneumonia" taken in isolation doesn't indicate "how soon", etc. 1830253;1530135839;mircea_popescu;tru. 1830254;1530135854;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is certain. 1830255;1530135854;asciilifeform;it's a hygienic concern, not a specific promise of imminent death 1830256;1530135887;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform however : if you sign code you've not read, you sign code you've not read. if you sign code you've not ~run~, you don't necessarily sign code you've not read. 1830257;1530135903;asciilifeform;this is entirely troo. in the simplest case, consider, comments 1830258;1530135908;asciilifeform;these dun 'run' at all 1830259;1530135912;asciilifeform;yet we sign'em 1830260;1530135913;mircea_popescu;the signature is as to reading, ie, performative, i joe did this. it is not as to the world, ie, declarative, "sticks and stones won't break your bones". 1830261;1530135962;asciilifeform;consider why asciilifeform removed the #ifdefolade ( and consequently, ALL asm inlines ) from mpi. 1830262;1530135971;mircea_popescu;cuz asciilifeform did. 1830263;1530136003;asciilifeform;i am not equipped to test the e.g. ppc routines; and ill-equipped to study'em and certify. and really if somebody wants'em badly, he oughta make use of v and make his branch. 1830264;1530136021;mircea_popescu;hence the multi-tree comment earlier. this seems inescapable. 1830265;1530136031;asciilifeform;it is The Right Thing. 1830266;1530136043;mircea_popescu;and in practice, too. Mocky 's out there trying to run a eulora toolchain on windows i think, peterl trying to vtool on cygwin, etc 1830267;1530136044;jurov;BingoBoingo: ack, will do 1830268;1530136045;lobbesbot;jurov: Sent 6 hours and 13 minutes ago: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HV7Z2/?raw=true 1830269;1530136081;mircea_popescu;my first step would be "omfg take that cygwin out". but as per phf's, since i'm not doing it... 1830270;1530136126;asciilifeform;lulzily, asciilifeform was stuck in a winblowz slave galley some yrs ago, and ported whole buncha 'how does this even run, but it does' to cygwin 1830271;1530136131;asciilifeform;but since forgot , like bad dream. 1830272;1530136140;phf;well, like i said from that perspective there's nothing left to do, cygwin is not supported. 1830273;1530136141;asciilifeform;i have no intention of helping winblowzism to continue. 1830274;1530136173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform permit me to quote : "FindSortedKey >::BlockKey> (this=0x9aee6d3c, __in_chrg=) at ./include/csutil/array.h:893" 1830275;1530136182;asciilifeform;lol wassat 1830276;1530136193;diana_coman;cs stands for crystalspace asciilifeform 1830277;1530136195;mircea_popescu;i do not presently know. 1830278;1530136196;mircea_popescu;but it works. 1830279;1530136207;diana_coman;one of the many ways client croaks from time to time 1830280;1530136212;asciilifeform;loox like ungodly debugolade ugly 1830281;1530136230;diana_coman;it is, yes 1830282;1530136239;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'crystalspace' is 3d lib ? 1830283;1530136248;mircea_popescu;it's a substitute boost in this case. 1830284;1530136255;diana_coman;yes, engine and everything else in a can 1830285;1530136258;mircea_popescu;and what it does to memory management is nobody's business 1830286;1530136302;asciilifeform;looks painful 1830287;1530136311;asciilifeform;( and i recall several diana_coman articles on subj, nao ) 1830288;1530136364;asciilifeform;iirc diana_coman was writing a sane replacement for this item, slowly 1830289;1530136364;mircea_popescu;but im starting to suspect it actually regexps over an indexed list. 1830290;1530136391;mircea_popescu;to recover/match the indices. 1830291;1530136399;mircea_popescu;you know, EXACTLY HOW KOCH GPG WORKS ? 1830292;1530136425;mircea_popescu;"let's make keys, and let's give them indices that aren't guarantee to not collide, and then let's regexp match indices in this indexed list by AN EVEN SHORTER PATTERN" 1830293;1530136456;diana_coman;asciilifeform, that is the deepest level of shit; sort of dungeon style, gotta peel them off one by one 1830294;1530136508;*;asciilifeform deals in the restoration/repair of exactly this type of artifact , in the saeculum, and so can picture 1830295;1530136629;mircea_popescu;it's just shocking to me how ~perdurant~ certain thought patterns are. in continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829978 ; because ~how the fuck~ is it the case i'd find the same stupidity implemented by some orc kids in some video game engine wanna-be as usg's own brahmin german put in the post-zimmermann pgp massacre ? 1830296;1530136629;a111;Logged on 2018-06-26 21:27 mircea_popescu: once my seething rage piped down it occured to me that "dood, what you're almost entirely about is a rejection of the lamenormal. why are you wondering that consummate normalcy gets you pissed off and why are you surprised it produces itself ?!" 1830297;1530136653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you remember your essay re 'neet' chix and their ~identical bedrooms ? 1830298;1530136659;mircea_popescu;how do they even know to do this ? not like they're studying each other! fuck, not like they even have the ability to meet, or even speak. 1830299;1530136665;asciilifeform;with the styrofoam boxes, piles of ???, et 1830300;1530136666;asciilifeform;c 1830301;1530136692;asciilifeform;it ain't any sort of surprise that they're all identical; next, what, wonder why all pigsty look ~same 1830302;1530136698;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am starting to feel exactly like golden age antrhopologists cca 1800s going "how the fuck did these primitives who didn't even sail manage to have ~the same myths~ ?" 1830303;1530136721;asciilifeform;lolyes 1830304;1530136730;diana_coman;eh, path of least resistance is same, what 1830305;1530136736;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1830306;1530136748;mircea_popescu;i am having a major perturbation, and have for weeks. this is just... 1830307;1530136885;mircea_popescu;stone age tribe unknown to mankind, lost in the endless wastes of today's "Sakha Republic" and stone age tribe unknown to mankind, lost in the guarani lands in south america all agree, 3+5 = 11. 1830308;1530136890;mircea_popescu;god help me. 1830309;1530136948;asciilifeform;dun differ so much from the , what, half of the planet that thought that they think with their stomach 1830310;1530136977;mircea_popescu;fwiw, asciilifeform 's lizard hitler hypothesis is exact modern restatement of ye olde "civilisation started by aliens" theory, which was precisely because belle epoque thinking folk threw their hands up over this exact stability. 1830311;1530136996;asciilifeform;faraday threw hands over magnetic field lines, also, what of it. 1830312;1530137053;asciilifeform;re the 3+5=11's , for some small # of possible values of 11, it dun strike me as in any way astonishing that folx with the same physiology will suffer same psychopathologies. 1830313;1530137114;mircea_popescu;the reliability is starting to get to me. 1830314;1530137162;asciilifeform;braincase that worx ok for walking around and not crashing into trees, is of limited use for moar complicated/abstract work, whod'vethunkit 1830315;1530137293;asciilifeform;( same braincase, also observe, seems to be optimized -- in factory model -- for baking justifications/bamboozlements/'cheque is in the mail' nonsense; and when applied to the technical , reliably produces 'surprisingly identical' piles of shit, also not surprising ) 1830316;1530137355;asciilifeform;the multilayered pile of ??? produced by 'programmer', is not so diff from schoolboy's pile of layered , tottering excuses for not having done the proverbial homework 1830317;1530137380;mircea_popescu;this much is true, yes. "how come mothers always know what the kids' been up to ?!?!?!?!" "riiight. because kids are so fucking original." 1830318;1530137391;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 << oblig 1830319;1530137391;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111' 1830320;1530137402;trinque;commonalities among the preverbal gotta be built into the meat. 1830321;1530137439;mircea_popescu;which takes us straight back to http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ 1830322;1530138234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now that all this is out of the way : would you say specific countermeasures people with known physiology take to avoid known psychopathology are engineering or not ? and if yes, what to yoi object in ifdefs besides the name ? 1830323;1530138276;mircea_popescu;because this is all i can make of it, #ifdef 3+5=11moron, let 3+5=8. 1830324;1530138341;mircea_popescu;to which alf answers "sorry, i only fuck 19yos, i can't tell you why the tits sag" and i go "sure you do, but other people not as fortunate." 1830325;1530139112;asciilifeform;'specific countermeasures' are imho rather wrongheaded approach. step1 is to correctly sort the shaved apes into the type that tries ( with variable success ) to climb ~down~ from trees, and the type which (ditto) ~back up~, and proceed from there 1830326;1530139186;mircea_popescu;so where do you put the killer micro ? 1830327;1530139206;asciilifeform;recall thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640167 1830328;1530139206;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi 1830329;1530139233;asciilifeform;the 2 apes require very diff approaches. for one, it is possible to think of something like engineering. for other -- train, the way one trains circus seals. 1830330;1530139235;mircea_popescu;no argument. but what is the ibm xt compatible, climbing down or back up ? 1830331;1530139259;asciilifeform;why settle for small change of ibm xt, can ask re, e.g., nuke. 1830332;1530139272;mircea_popescu;would you prefer i called it x86 ? 1830333;1530139293;asciilifeform;it's perhaps the most illustrative argument, of folx who oughta know better, issuing the others with ladder with which to climb back into proverbial tree. 1830334;1530139311;mircea_popescu;that's the problem here. "1. we have these machines ; 2. we know they're broken ; 3. alf objects to the curative process either because he doesn't like its name or because that which cureth could make ill." 1830335;1530139344;asciilifeform;i dun object to junkyard wars -- if and where we must. but there is even there a 'up tree' and 'down tree' approach. 1830336;1530139353;mircea_popescu;but yes the reason ifdefs exist is because machines are broken. 1830337;1530139380;asciilifeform;not quite : 1830338;1530139382;mircea_popescu;ifdefs don't flow from prime principles, they're no if. 1830339;1530139388;asciilifeform;they exist because machines were broken ~and~ author lacked v. 1830340;1530139421;mircea_popescu;or rather, because people would prefer a single trunk for all machines, diversely broken, than a trunk for each kind of breakage. 1830341;1530139429;asciilifeform;so author ended up producing a program that is really 27 disjoint proggies masquerading as 1. 1830342;1530139436;asciilifeform;this is intellectually dirty. 1830343;1530139466;mircea_popescu;i dunno i'd go so far as that, but it definitely isn't great engineering. 1830344;1530139479;asciilifeform;hygiene was a quite different affair before discovery of soaps, and likewise programming -- without v 1830345;1530139532;mircea_popescu;having 27 independent restatements of the ~same thing is not intellectually dirty ? 1830346;1530139543;asciilifeform;they ain't same thing, tho 1830347;1530139593;asciilifeform;granted if they differ in pointless/trivial ways, e.g. targeting extinct iron, that's on the conscience of the folx continuing to elongate (supposing any exist) those branches. 1830348;1530139602;mircea_popescu;yet http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800395 1830349;1530139602;a111;Logged on 2018-04-16 20:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the 2nd fold of the error : the NOTION of translation is pernicious, and stuff like the protestant lulz of "church of self-esteem" or "we choose to emphasize " are not unbound errors. 1830350;1530139664;asciilifeform;what asciilifeform would like, is at the very least to stop elongating the dead branches himself. and to stop encouraging others. for this, it is necessary to actually cut the variants into branches. 1830351;1530139666;mircea_popescu;seems the ifdef approach to the problem is more in the vein of the kaballah+commentary (ie, the right thing) than in the vein of the xtian "translated scripture" + "megachurch", ie, idiocy. 1830352;1530139700;asciilifeform;the kabbalist is intellectually ahead of the ifdefist -- he reads what he comments/copies. 1830353;1530139735;asciilifeform;i cut winblowz #ifdefolade out of trb because i did not read it and don't intend to. 1830354;1530139785;asciilifeform;if microshit ends up back from the dead and intellectually dominating the darkfyootoor , it can continue the old branch, and old dead asciilifeform won't be able to do a thing about it 1830355;1530139791;asciilifeform;and this is the way it is. 1830356;1530139795;mircea_popescu;this is traditionally the view of rabbis re bulk of commentary mass. 1830357;1530139877;asciilifeform;i am unequipped to comment in detail on the rabbis and their planet. 1830358;1530139887;mircea_popescu;ifdef amirite. 1830359;1530139906;asciilifeform;i looked in my copy of talmud and did not find ifdefs, lol 1830360;1530139912;asciilifeform;but possibly i dunno where to look 1830361;1530139941;mircea_popescu;i'm saying you're ifdefing it away. 1830362;1530139944;mircea_popescu;to bring this flock back to the manger : what you choose to cut out to stay afloat in the postmodern deluge of intellectual objects is your choice! 1830363;1530139949;asciilifeform;it is my understanding that they tossed'em 1500 or so yrs back. 1830364;1530139954;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, not all these choices can actually be made into meaning. 1830365;1530140013;asciilifeform;my orig point -- asciilifeform won't be in the future signing coad that he is not equipped to run / study in detail. 1830366;1530140025;mircea_popescu;but i suspect you will rue this day if you were to actually get your way, and at some point in 2118 all the work available consists of "try and write this thing from tree y for tree z, we don't currently know why it's a broken polymorphism to the x tree" 1830367;1530140029;asciilifeform;and this specifically includes, tho not limited to , #ifdef pdp11 ... 1830368;1530140067;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dunno if i will live to see the end of nonstandard iron / os / junkyard wars. but would like to, at any rate. 1830369;1530140085;mircea_popescu;no, this is simply "27 different proggies, no longet try to masquerade as 1" 1830370;1530140091;asciilifeform;and whatever is in my hands that can contribute to the extermination of the pointless babel, i'ma push. 1830371;1530140109;mircea_popescu;the dispute is as to whether contributing. 1830372;1530140163;asciilifeform;if folx continue to operate 27 pointlessly incompatible platforms, and burn their lives fiddling with otherwise healthy coad to make it go on'em, what can i say, the gods have cursed'em and it is not in my power to uncurse 1830373;1530140176;mircea_popescu;seems the likely course, neh ? 1830374;1530140193;asciilifeform;likely if no effort at all is made to debabelize. 1830375;1530140211;mircea_popescu;and if effort is made, no more specificity of diddling, cr51 for them all ? 1830376;1530140219;asciilifeform;observe that ffa runs , per PeterL, on winblowz, despite asciilifeform having made 0 effort in this direction 1830377;1530140231;asciilifeform;i deliberately wrote portable proggy. not even married, afaik, to 8bit byte. 1830378;1530140255;mircea_popescu;well yes, the protabilityhell starts with printf, which is why phf was using that as example. 1830379;1530140267;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the extant babel does not contribute to nonspecificity-of-diddling. if anything, quite the opposite. 1830380;1530140287;mircea_popescu;how do you reason ? 1830381;1530140292;asciilifeform;1 well-understood system 'to rule'em all', fits in head and demonstrably bug-free , and babel -- ends. 1830382;1530140312;mircea_popescu;ye olde dos fit this, yes ? ye olde lispm, perhaps, also ? 1830383;1530140324;asciilifeform;not really, no 1830384;1530140350;asciilifeform;( dos dun really belong in a discussion of systems, it is more or less 'naked x86 iron, write own os per proggy' ) 1830385;1530140376;asciilifeform;ye olde lispm was pile of undergrad beer and pizza hacks, from a software quality pov. 1830386;1530140422;asciilifeform;if it had been written to a standard of 'i throw a dart, and you , programonkey, WILL justify the existence of this line, or die' the coadbase would weigh 1MB . 1830387;1530140427;asciilifeform;and we'd still be able to run it. 1830388;1530140456;mircea_popescu;i dunno... 1830389;1530140502;mircea_popescu;in less lofty matters, do you happ[en to recall where the fuck i said essentially "women are the societal scar tissue, by the time males start leaving a field and women start joining it, it's fucked" ? 1830390;1530140510;asciilifeform;hmm 1830391;1530140529;asciilifeform;variously repeated item, it is in one of the programming-related trilemas at the very least 1830392;1530140533;mircea_popescu;perhaps a continuation of ballas' point re male nurses, but fucked i be if i can find it again. 1830393;1530140544;asciilifeform;grep 'greenspun', prolly will find. 1830394;1530140552;mircea_popescu;meanwhile http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-24#-301505 1830395;1530140552;a111;Logged on 2012-08-24 01:31 EmanuelDeOrtego_: I like that there are so many women involved with Bitcoin. 1830396;1530140755;asciilifeform;see also naggum's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615386 item 1830397;1530140755;a111;Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.' 1830398;1530140771;mircea_popescu;you think these related ? 1830399;1530140794;asciilifeform;he was discussion the deskilling. which, yes, related. 1830400;1530140814;asciilifeform;deskilling classically precedes feminization of a profession 1830401;1530140824;mircea_popescu;i wonder what the link is. 1830402;1530140850;mircea_popescu;ironically (at least from my experience), girls significantly more dedicated and skillable than boys. 1830403;1530140855;asciilifeform;old man tailor disappears, replaced with '9000' biorobot seamstresses working 'singers' in pre-drawn pattern, etc 1830404;1530140870;mircea_popescu;this much is rather factual. 1830405;1530140875;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is unfortunate that same word 'skill' is used to describe both items 1830406;1530140881;asciilifeform;it is a dull knife imho. 1830407;1530140889;mircea_popescu;which items ? 1830408;1530140901;asciilifeform;the tailor's 'skill' and the biorobot's. 1830409;1530140945;mircea_popescu;i wasn't saying this at all. 1830410;1530140961;mircea_popescu;no, genuinely, it's both easier and faster to teach a girl ~anything. 1830411;1530140975;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the episode with your burned out water pump ? 1830412;1530140980;asciilifeform;and the wastebaskets 1830413;1530140987;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1830414;1530140995;asciilifeform;i can only presume that the subj gurl was as well-taught as any mircea_popescu patient 1830415;1530141015;asciilifeform;yet , iirc in mircea_popescu's words, 'she broke down in storm of snot' when faced with minor unexpected boojum. 1830416;1530141022;mircea_popescu;not at all. what, i don't give physics crash courses upon admission. 1830417;1530141032;asciilifeform;it ain't about deep physics , no. 1830418;1530141072;asciilifeform;but about ability to deal with the unexpected, the nonstandard. this i see as measure of 'capital S' skill. 1830419;1530141077;mircea_popescu;yes, but it ain't about "minor unexpected" either. it's that i was there, it has everything to do with me and how much she wants to please/impress/etc. 1830420;1530141078;asciilifeform;and afaik is not trainable. 1830421;1530141093;mircea_popescu;i don't see this. 1830422;1530141132;asciilifeform;granted asciilifeform has 1 pet, and not 9000. but regularly witnesses the water pump scenario. 1830423;1530141163;asciilifeform;arbitrarily deeply trainable in specifics, but they tend to collapse under 'this system i did not even know existed, has broken down', is my impression. 1830424;1530141172;mircea_popescu;how do you discern if you're measuring the fermion's flavour rather than the tool's flavour ? 1830425;1530141186;mircea_popescu;there's no way known to measure individual particles, they use particle interaction, yes ? 1830426;1530141205;asciilifeform;i am not equipped to discern. all i got, is what's visible from my perch thus far. 1830427;1530141212;mircea_popescu;if you don't watch at least two of them interact, then what can you say. 1830428;1530141239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wouldja care to share how they reacted, in 2+ mass, to the water outage ? 1830429;1530141263;mircea_popescu;well in this case we all laughed. 1830430;1530141264;asciilifeform;all broke down in snot ? or did a leader arise among'em, and direct repairs, give marching orders to the rest 1830431;1530141291;mircea_popescu;well... consider the recently discussed case of amphibian landing. 1830432;1530141300;mircea_popescu;girl drove ~through~ rather than stopping and choking my engine. 1830433;1530141302;*;asciilifeform considers 1830434;1530141304;mircea_popescu;this counts in your model ? 1830435;1530141326;mircea_popescu;"utterly fucking broken down system of major complexity -- i have identified correct way out and the pedal goes down" 1830436;1530141332;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu fredericus-drilled his driver chix to never stop without order, neh 1830437;1530141333;mircea_popescu;~50ms or so. 1830438;1530141337;mircea_popescu;neh. 1830439;1530141345;mircea_popescu;i never taught anyone how to drive, i don't even drive myself. 1830440;1530141372;asciilifeform;prolly bad example, nao that i think of it, pretty much any multidecade driver, incl. asciilifeform , would've handled the eggog correctly, in 50ms ( allowing for length of his legs ) 1830441;1530141430;mircea_popescu;but i thought the argument was as to difference, rather than "any driver" 1830442;1530141448;mircea_popescu;also, she's a) too young to have multi decade driven and b) only recently allowed to drive at all anyway. so... 1830443;1530141484;asciilifeform;could then be proverbial 'stopped clock shows right time', then. i've nfi. 1830444;1530141514;mircea_popescu;could be that women are actually better drivers, if not fucked in the head by idiot mother/bf combo. 1830445;1530141527;asciilifeform;could be. if only because shorter legs, even. 1830446;1530141541;mircea_popescu;she's taller than you. 1830447;1530141554;asciilifeform;we were speaking of 'women' , not 'she', neh 1830448;1530141565;mircea_popescu;well ok, but i like 'em tall. 1830449;1530141578;asciilifeform;( for all i knew , the 'she' was also a trained all-terrain racer , etc ) 1830450;1530141591;mircea_popescu;i am seriously considering buying her a racer if i ever europe again. 1830451;1530141597;asciilifeform;vrooom 1830452;1530141610;*;trinque recently hired sister in an "answer the phone, handle all shitshows" role. job's literally "fill all gaps", hits things she never trained for all day. 1830453;1530141638;asciilifeform;lucky fella, trinque , to have such relatives 1830454;1530141702;asciilifeform;upstack -- for whatever reason, the lowell mills and straight to modern chinesium plants, use chix, they seem more content to perform repeated program all day, erry day. 1830455;1530141711;trinque;only two data points, but she blows the male tech out of the damned water. 1830456;1530141744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know there's a quote for this, and it goes like "Just because females could endure anything does not mean they should is my view I suppose" 1830457;1530141747;mircea_popescu;she has a point. 1830458;1530141756;asciilifeform;trinque: typical 'male tech' today is not even fit to empty sewage tanks reliably, verily 1830459;1530141774;asciilifeform;in su factories also was a thing, 'we hire females because they don't bender' 1830460;1530141934;asciilifeform;folx with 'frustration threshold' set to 9000, and who go on 0 benders, ~can~ become , in principle, mircea_popescu's driver, or mega-ww2 nurse who handles 9000 wounded per hr when suddenly roused at 4 in the morning, or some other astonishing and meritorious thing. but the moar typically observed pattern, afaik, is the biorobot. 1830461;1530141978;asciilifeform;sorta the problem with the chinese, per the old thread, in the larger picture. 1830462;1530142009;BingoBoingo;ty jurov 1830463;1530142019;trinque;in the case of my sister, sails like a champ, just doesn't produce own wind. this seems entirely biologically appropriate for her. 1830464;1530142044;asciilifeform;trinque: that's the whole of asciilifeform's arg, aha 1830465;1530142059;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There's also the Rioplatense case of the bunnies that just... don't want to... Not if it doesn't involve cardboard sculpture 1830466;1530142213;asciilifeform;re drivers and their long legs : su mil establishment did various tests, and reportedly concluded that chix would make ideal pilots -- take moar g's, typically better reaction, can work under outrageous o2 deprivation, etc. but they did not go so far as to start recruiting'em en masse. the americans, however... did. many great feats of pilotage nao ? 1830467;1530142218;asciilifeform;so far all i know is re the tailhook thread. 1830468;1530142265;mircea_popescu;the more typically observed pattern in humans, actually, is the skeleton. 1830469;1530142266;asciilifeform;evidently there is moar to that biznis than physiological punishment. 1830470;1530142294;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was speaking of the living, lol 1830471;1530142310;mircea_popescu;yes well. this is a tenuous distinction. 1830472;1530142322;mircea_popescu;anwyay, i am not responsible for moronia recruiting the wrong chicks. 1830473;1530142332;mircea_popescu;i'm happy with my set, enough so as to not hire male drivers. 1830474;1530142341;asciilifeform;what can they do, the Right Chix are evidently occupied, as mircea_popescu's drivers... 1830475;1530142362;mircea_popescu;i always suspected us airforce preceded me. 1830476;1530142594;asciilifeform;upstack -- the 'deskilling' process is concerned specifically with removal of 'heroes' , e.g. mircea_popescu's hand-picked acrobats, and their replacement with grey biomass. 1830477;1530142624;asciilifeform;for the demented purposes of 'mass konsoomer crud', it made +ev sense. 1830478;1530142655;asciilifeform;and so in erry case there was attempt to replace. the tailor, with 'singer' chix, the greybeard -- with google monkeys; the whole lot. 1830479;1530142682;mircea_popescu;yet gorgo. 1830480;1530142704;asciilifeform;where today is gorgo, lol 1830481;1530142718;mircea_popescu;taste all the cunts ; when you find the salty one you got her. 1830482;1530142874;asciilifeform;generally -- the industrialist saw the artisan as a headache, and killed him. nao we get to 'enjoy' the fruits of de-artisan'ed industry. 1830483;1530142940;asciilifeform;( recall mircea_popescu's faberge egg essay . ) 1830484;1530142983;asciilifeform;if you like faberge egg, yer outta luck, but on other hand if you like plastic eggs , with google firmware.. 1830485;1530143163;BingoBoingo;In other trivia Anthony Kennedy is giving up. Make SCOTUS, Great Again! 1830486;1530143169;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1830487;1530143753;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-cabinet-of-doctor-caligari/ << Trilema - The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari 1830488;1530145243;BingoBoingo;In other news from back home "Swansea business owner said he had 'an atomic bomb and a knife' during arrest, police say" >> https://archive.is/eWEoi 1830489;1530145792;mircea_popescu;oh btw, anyone had cashew ~fruit~ preserve ? 1830490;1530145799;mircea_popescu;it's actually pretty good. 1830491;1530145995;BingoBoingo;I need to look again. I tried to find it in December, but everyone I meet here seems to only be aware of the nuts. I suspect the cashew has a strong nut/fruit divide 1830492;1530146281;BingoBoingo;But we do have sweet blood sausage here 1830493;1530146453;mircea_popescu;nb 1830494;1530146560;BingoBoingo;They do it with orange and pine nuts. The rare sweet food here without dulce de leche 1830495;1530146851;BingoBoingo;Further that Maduro fellow needs to register a key here. I have yet to have a bad arepa. 1830496;1530146894;mircea_popescu;maybe pizarro gives you a week off, you can venezuela! 1830497;1530147074;BingoBoingo;Maybe for the second year's week off. I have a whole list of shit in range of the nice buses I've been hearing about for months and have yet to see. 1830498;1530147123;mircea_popescu;word. 1830499;1530147402;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1828999 << For the record asciilifeform has met the Venezolana currently in Venezuela who does the Spanish lessons. 1830500;1530147402;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 01:17 mircea_popescu: haha. they all think this before they meet him :D 1830501;1530147416;mircea_popescu;iirc he said so 1830502;1530147557;BingoBoingo;Well, he did take the picture. 1830503;1530147623;mircea_popescu;o darn, wasn't he gonnamake a nice travelogue post ? hm ? HM ? 1830504;1530147650;BingoBoingo;iirc ben_vulpes tambien 1830505;1530147743;*;BingoBoingo has admits own fault in having more things to blog waiting on burner for the day he can eat, sleep, shit, and irc behind the same lock 1830506;1530147800;mircea_popescu;lol. i can see it. 1830507;1530148011;BingoBoingo;Likewise furing the rest of Uruguay's games, I have agreed to sit in the exact same chair I occupied the previous matches. 1830508;1530148386;*;BingoBoingo also ought to do a review of the camera I arrived with 1830509;1530148838;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/aVT4o For the curious. Short story: Factory defaults are Potato, With practice and RTFM does distance well when you turn down the megapixels to 5, at clost distances (1 meter or less) you are completely at the mercy of light 1830510;1530148856;BingoBoingo;And linked the wrong camera 1830511;1530148993;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/6TJPf << This is it, the other panasonic 25 1830512;1530151207;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in rotaku ( yes, approx halfway mark.. past the ru ) wtflulz, https://youtu.be/4qyZZ5BrJfM 1830513;1530151287;asciilifeform;with last 3rd in ukr, even. 1830514;1530153682;phf;asciilifeform: since you're a fan of these kind of homepages, here's one i found today http://www.quadibloc.com 1830515;1530155336;asciilifeform;lol, compleet with crackpot instruction set arch ! 1830516;1530155345;asciilifeform;notbad find, phf 1830517;1530162014;mircea_popescu;and now it's archived 4evar too 1830518;1530162062;mircea_popescu;"Welcome to my personal home page. There are many pages on this site, but this one is my own." 1830519;1530162310;mircea_popescu;"A brief page with a few annotations about the Girl Genius web comic, for which a link banner appears to the right, is now on this site." holy shit that's terriblty drawn 1830520;1530162522;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other great accomplishments of the web era, http://samuel-beckett.net/Waiting_for_Godot_Part1.html 1830521;1530172428;mircea_popescu;!!up diginet 1830522;1530172428;deedbot;diginet voiced for 30 minutes. 1830523;1530173058;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in nice racks, https://78.media.tumblr.com/90fda146a151e5e04b66b44708dac23f/tumblr_pafmczSCs91tjspdjo1_1280.jpg 1830524;1530174462;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-31#1610177 : supreme court upheld yest. 1830525;1530174462;a111;Logged on 2017-01-31 15:10 asciilifeform: and to top off the lulzfest, http://archive.is/jMArA : 'Microsoft Corp said it has been cooperating with the Washington State Attorney General's Office, which is suing in federal court to stop President Donald Trump's order restricting immigration from several Muslim countries.' 1830526;1530191564;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol! 1830527;1530191719;asciilifeform;speaking of dar-al-islam, asciilifeform had nfi, but the nao-defunkt republic of ichkeria had perhaps the most aggressively oddball national anthem : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXNI0v3o6K0 1830528;1530191820;asciilifeform;( ^ subj on lolcattube has en+ru sub . https://archive.li/7E9at << txt translation ) 1830529;1530191930;asciilifeform;'We were born at night when the She-wolf whelped / In the morning, under lions’ howl we were given our names / In eagles’ nests our Mothers nursed us ...' etc 1830530;1530197471;mod6;mornin' 1830531;1530197793;BingoBoingo;Mornin' 1830532;1530198397;mod6;waitin for the furnature? 1830533;1530198461;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ddin't know this ?! imo one of their principal achievements 1830534;1530198480;BingoBoingo;mod6: Not quite yet. Waiting for the wait for furniture 1830535;1530198512;mod6;ahh 1830536;1530198537;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in teh basement, https://78.media.tumblr.com/53496b54b17ff35e50e75d9636cce3ff/tumblr_n7gv6bNDdJ1sa6m28o1_1280.jpg 1830537;1530199069;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiwat?! the anthem ?! 1830538;1530199076;mircea_popescu;yes. 1830539;1530199079;asciilifeform;holyfuq 1830540;1530199087;asciilifeform;it is admittedly catchy. 1830541;1530199119;asciilifeform;( and from orcological pov, attractively-impenetrable, to earthling philologist, language isolate ) 1830542;1530199194;mircea_popescu;well i mean... it was kindof a fiume republic neh ? 1830543;1530199206;mircea_popescu;what did they do, the anthem and the moscow theatre invasion. 1830544;1530199223;mircea_popescu;very livresque item altogether. 1830545;1530199244;asciilifeform;iirc they also tried the 'caliphate' thing, with the attendant lulz 1830546;1530199346;mircea_popescu;eh, they're islamic in the sense the us is catholic. 1830547;1530199347;asciilifeform;they did manage to pyrrhicly win the 1st war with ru; erry bit as good orc troops as any, perhaps if cherokees had kalash they could have put up same level of fight. 1830548;1530199415;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Cherokees didn't put up a fight. They made a show of imitating white culture and meaningfully resisted nothing imposed on them. 1830549;1530199431;mircea_popescu;^ 1830550;1530199435;asciilifeform;hm. 1830551;1530199437;mircea_popescu;you're mabye thinking sioux ? 1830552;1530199447;asciilifeform;possibly 1830553;1530199452;mircea_popescu;iroquis, pushing a point. quite a lot of pushing. 1830554;1530199466;asciilifeform;maybe not even good continent for comparison, prolly maori better example. 1830555;1530199497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, i dunno how isolate. "Joƶalla ya marşo" looks exactly like gypsy. 1830556;1530199514;BingoBoingo;Sioux, Apache, fought. Cherokee were one of the five "civilized" tribes that tired to assimilate to verying degrees of rape 1830557;1530199523;asciilifeform;0, afaik, relation, caucasian lang group is more or less isolate. 1830558;1530199634;mircea_popescu;i have nfi 1830559;1530201107;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/the-great-again-poised-to-grab-courts-by-the-pussy-for-decades/ << Qntra - The Great Again Poised To Grab Courts By The Pussy For Decades 1830560;1530208751;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in risc-v nonsense circus, https://archive.li/i14bp 1830561;1530208841;asciilifeform;while in other 'open sores' idiocy, https://archive.li/GXp09 >> 'With not being able to deliver a 100% fully free software / libre system, the Librem 5 smartphone will rely upon a secondary processor for dealing with the necessary binary blobs for hardware initialization to keep them out of touch from the U-Boot boot-loader and Linux kernel' << pushed as ~feature~ , didjaknow. 1830562;1530208877;asciilifeform;at least google fwiw didn't try to advertise cr50, similar 'feature'. 1830563;1530208958;asciilifeform;and, from same fishwrap , 'Intel CEO Brian Krzanich has resigned effective immediately. Krzanich is stepping down due to a past consensual relationship with an Intel employee and the company's internal investigation has confirmed a violation of their company non-fraternization policies. ' 1830564;1530211690;mod6;It's clearly stated on the Washington monument: ``Im reich ist vergnugen verboten!'' 1830565;1530211694;mod6;duh 1830566;1530214138;mircea_popescu;is that german for no nookie ? 1830567;1530214177;mod6;mas o menos 1830568;1530214183;mod6;'pleasure' 1830569;1530215321;mod6;I follow the republic log, down through all the sarc; listening to the lords exchaaange. 1830570;1530215333;mod6;A Ft. Meade summer night, pantsuits passing by; listening to the taps of stingrayyyyyy. 1830571;1530215411;mod6;*whistling* 1830572;1530215941;mod6;ben_vulpes: you wanna go to def^H^H^Hfedcon and set up a pizarro booth? 1830573;1530216682;mircea_popescu;mod6 isn;t las vegas actually closer to you ? 1830574;1530216685;mircea_popescu;or did they move it meanwhile 1830575;1530218123;mircea_popescu;in any case, speaking of non-fraternization, https://78.media.tumblr.com/c630a84304b5ce12d39e269d62bbbbe4/tumblr_oj9n2fJsZS1uzyugro1_1280.jpg 1830576;1530218727;asciilifeform;mm quality 1830577;1530218902;asciilifeform;mod6: a few yrs ago asciilifeform went ( or rather, was sent ) to a smaller/sadder version of said item, 'shmoocon', you wouldn't believe the sort of snake oil that was sold there 1830578;1530218908;asciilifeform;and the sheer redditude of the attendees 1830579;1530218945;*;asciilifeform never been to the orig vegas 'fedcon' tho 1830580;1530219020;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-28#1830546 << lol missed this, but nao i'm curious, mircea_popescu , how come the 'wolf men' duncount as islamic ? 1830581;1530219020;a111;Logged on 2018-06-28 15:22 mircea_popescu: eh, they're islamic in the sense the us is catholic. 1830582;1530219029;asciilifeform;afaik they kept all the good parts. 1830583;1530222607;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 isn;t las vegas actually closer to you ? << naw, but doesn't matter. im sure that they wouldn't let us set up a booth anyway. 1830584;1530222785;mod6;anyway, was just a thought to getting the pizarro name out there a bit. 1830585;1530222789;mod6;bbl 1830586;1530224787;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the precise reason stated, marginal weirdo cultish folk. why's ukrainian not count as russian ? at least the ukrs have the claim on ~inventing~ it. 1830587;1530224810;mircea_popescu;mod6 why not ? pretty sure all it takes is money. the sure sign of booth not doing anything. 1830588;1530227440;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/SvFJ2 << tidbit of lulz , via #p 1830589;1530227458;asciilifeform;'Today 28 June at approximately 20:20 UTC unknown individuals have gained control of the Github Gentoo organization, and modified the content of repositories...' etc 1830590;1530227699;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-28#1830546 << lol missed this, but nao i'm curious, mircea_popescu , how come the 'wolf men' duncount as islamic ? << Perros no son halal. Perros son haram! 1830591;1530227699;a111;Logged on 2018-06-28 15:22 mircea_popescu: eh, they're islamic in the sense the us is catholic. 1830592;1530227718;BingoBoingo;The sleeping surface did indeed arrive. 1830593;1530228337;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: amusingly enuff , even the troo diehard ukrs are entirely ru-speaking folx, at least when camera aint rolling. and , extra lulzily, ditto the chechens ( witness, their 'all things ru suxxx!' 'official' www linked earlier -- 100% in ru ) 1830594;1530229017;mod6;mircea_popescu: well, after thinking about it a bit, I don't remember seen "booths" like I was thinking of there. was at least 15 years ago though. 1830595;1530229032;mod6;maybe it's different now. i'll see what I can find out. 1830596;1530230872;mircea_popescu;mod6 not that big a deal either way 1830597;1530230955;mircea_popescu;they're not supposed to hurt, no. if they do give it a rest. 1830598;1530230964;mircea_popescu;whoops. 1830599;1530230989;asciilifeform;lol was that meant for the roadconetraining chan ? 1830600;1530231007;mircea_popescu;ima take a mod6 on this one. 1830601;1530231013;asciilifeform;heh 1830602;1530231315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so this is it for "public" gentoo then ? 1830603;1530231335;asciilifeform;'public gentoo' rotted to ~unusability some time ago 1830604;1530231401;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820666 event 1830605;1530231401;a111;Logged on 2018-06-05 00:46 asciilifeform: i dun recall if i mentioned : as of coupla wks ago, no moar 'emerge portage' on asciilifeform's-ban-masks gentoo boxen : it now ~demands~ gpg2 turd. 1830606;1530231439;trinque;toggled by the rsync-verify use flag, not that I'm excusing it. 1830607;1530231471;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i considered making a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 -style canned gentoo out of my dulap trad-gentoo, but really would rather switch to trinque's item when it is baked 1830608;1530231479;trinque;oughta be pretty clear gentoo's firmly in satan's hands these days 1830609;1530231490;asciilifeform;when i ditch the last glibctronic gentoos, it won't be a day too soon. 1830610;1530231523;mircea_popescu;word. 1830611;1530231992;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in mechanical pianos, https://78.media.tumblr.com/05a73cca5aae821a63528d7fd2037c5e/tumblr_o0k7c6xTxK1ucpzm3o3_400.gif 1830612;1530237204;mircea_popescu;and in other great webpage designs, http://riscos.com/ 1830613;1530237249;mircea_popescu;"represents a major upgrade of our system and is, as far as we are aware, the only system of it's type that's been developed on RISC OS." << read one line, run into one spelling error. this bodes well for the LOC. 1830614;1530237336;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ancient brit item. from bbc acorn, the orig perpetrators of arm arch. 1830615;1530237342;mircea_popescu;aha. 1830616;1530237358;asciilifeform;today in ~same archaeological circlejerk as e.g. 'beos' 1830617;1530237363;mircea_popescu;still in use, though, somehow, as someone actually loaded trilema on one. 1830618;1530237380;asciilifeform;somewhere prolly even amiga still in use. 1830619;1530237387;mircea_popescu;oh, that, definitely. 1830620;1530237402;mircea_popescu;and even macintosh. 1830621;1530237428;asciilifeform;iirc BingoBoingo actually loaded trilema on a '80s mac box 1830622;1530237440;asciilifeform;( the one with amiga cpu ) 1830623;1530237476;mircea_popescu;if anyone still cares, freebsd 6.82%, openbsd 93.17% 1830624;1530237499;asciilifeform;this the bsd split ? or total?! 1830625;1530237504;mircea_popescu;just the bsd. 1830626;1530237507;mircea_popescu;aaaand os x 10.4 (tiger) still exists. 1830627;1530237527;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only still exists, but asciilifeform ( and iirc phf also ) have working examples . 1830628;1530237532;mircea_popescu;irix! amigaos! os/2! etc. 1830629;1530237543;asciilifeform;irix ? got . 1830630;1530237544;mircea_popescu;sun solaris, look at that. 1830631;1530237565;asciilifeform;lol slowaris 1830632;1530237577;mircea_popescu;nono, ~Sun~ Solaris. 1830633;1530237592;mircea_popescu;someone should make Moon Lunaris, be done with esltardation altogether. 1830634;1530237612;asciilifeform;lol sun was actually quasi-respectable at one time 1830635;1530237628;mircea_popescu;yeah, well... 1830636;1530237634;*;asciilifeform still has ancient 'pizza box' sun , from that era 1830637;1530237766;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, in http://trilema.com/2014/daisies/ visuals, https://78.media.tumblr.com/ed702a99d19dea623d40a51381b29ec7/tumblr_my347eqWt61sf41xco1_1280.jpg 1830638;1530237771;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu do you recall your essay where 'more common than anyone admits, chix keep the stuffed bear they frottaged the hell out of at age 12, well into adulthood' or how it went 1830639;1530237783;asciilifeform;gotta wonder if some folx do this re old comp 1830640;1530237787;mircea_popescu;im sure they do. 1830641;1530237791;asciilifeform;'this os/2 box still runs, why should i change it' 1830642;1530237813;mircea_popescu;i still had my old z80s in a drawer somewhere well into the 3rd millenium 1830643;1530237821;asciilifeform;and i have c64 etc 1830644;1530237841;asciilifeform;drawer not quite same thing as active duty tho 1830645;1530237878;asciilifeform;gotta wonder who still reads from the irix box. prolly some fella who is stuck operating one in some godforsaken corner of heavy industry 1830646;1530237903;mircea_popescu;i suppose one could just doctor the strings. 1830647;1530237908;asciilifeform;could, but who can be arsed. 1830648;1530237918;mircea_popescu;yeah... 1830649;1530237929;*;asciilifeform at one time had box that was suchly configed, to report 'kremvax' 1830650;1530238016;asciilifeform;re irix boxen -- the last pre-intelization machines, e.g. 'octane', 'octane 2', were princely, errything-hotswappable, on rails, copper meshing against emp, redundant cpu/memory/power/etc, prolly eternal. 1830651;1530238033;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/masscan << in other items. 1830652;1530238048;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the very same massscan Framedragger used 1830653;1530238059;asciilifeform;y'know, for the ssh surveys 1830654;1530238062;mircea_popescu;ah, it is isn't it. 1830655;1530238068;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1830656;1530238085;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1807738 etc 1830657;1530238085;a111;Logged on 2018-05-03 02:41 asciilifeform: Framedragger's 'massscan' proggy does not clog state table tho, it has own peculiar ip stack that goes 'statelessly' 1830658;1530238103;asciilifeform;it is depressing to learn that it lives on shithub tho. prolly not a bad time to grab copy before it evaporates. 1830659;1530238128;*;asciilifeform brb,meat 1830660;1530241880;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-28#1830577 << in 2005 or so shmoocon still had vestiges of phrack culture, as has been discussed plenty on here it all finally died sometime 2010 1830661;1530241880;a111;Logged on 2018-06-28 20:48 asciilifeform: mod6: a few yrs ago asciilifeform went ( or rather, was sent ) to a smaller/sadder version of said item, 'shmoocon', you wouldn't believe the sort of snake oil that was sold there 1830662;1530242049;phf;there was an occasional poc||gtfo speaker doing not necessarily particularly sophisticated, but at least aesthetically pleasing hacks. and of course you could meet oldfags in the hallways. but even back then you could see that the community is being replaced by martin marlinspooks with throngs on millennial sycophants, but at least you could avoid them if you wanted to. i heard that's no longer the case. 1830663;1530242145;asciilifeform;phf: my 1 'shmoocon' trip more or less cured me of the notion of going to any such thing again 1830664;1530242249;*;phf is actually going to HOPE, which was always a parody of a "hacker culture", coming as it is from 2600 circles, but at it's in new york and it's an opportunity to spend time with my new york friends. last time i was at HOPE that was 2010 or so, when the whole theme was g.w.bush as 1984/hitler. at least hope delivers in lulz department. wozniak is going to be there, signing apple ii's or whatever. 1830665;1530242265;asciilifeform;one of these things that had its day in the sun, but nao ~dead.. 1830666;1530242282;asciilifeform;lol 1830667;1530242345;phf;HOPE is very new york, it's a bunch of fashionistas pretending like 90s never ended and The Hackers was for real 1830668;1530242382;asciilifeform;gotta wonder if at some point the nostalgia culture will be in turn replaced with nostalgia-for-the-old-nostalgia-culture with each new generation of moar-redditous derps 1830669;1530242392;asciilifeform;and just how tall do these stack. 1830670;1530242441;asciilifeform;phf: soon they'll be pretending that the 10s neverended.. 1830671;1530242484;phf;i wonder if some decades are not really destined for a general come back, like the 70s 1830672;1530242504;asciilifeform;and why is their imagination/horizon so weak anyway -- why not instead pretend that 70s neverended and 'wargames' 'was real' 1830673;1530242680;phf;i suspect because the 90s hackers were a lot more mainstream, i mean they had prodigy and orbital, rollerblades and spray painted laptops. i guess wargames is from the time when nerds weren't "cool" at all, though they did have progressive rock, so i guess that counts for something.. 1830674;1530242773;phf;https://hope.net//schedule.html for expert entomologists 1830675;1530242971;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-28#1830593 << famous incident with kuchma, when he called gas burner "газова горілка" 1830676;1530242971;a111;Logged on 2018-06-28 23:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: amusingly enuff , even the troo diehard ukrs are entirely ru-speaking folx, at least when camera aint rolling. and , extra lulzily, ditto the chechens ( witness, their 'all things ru suxxx!' 'official' www linked earlier -- 100% in ru ) 1830677;1530243022;asciilifeform;bahahahaha 1830678;1530243041;phf;amusingly enough if you search "газова горілка" there's a bunch of online stores that sell... gas burners! 1830679;1530243146;phf;(the correct word could also be derived from russian, but it's a different root "пальник") 1830680;1530243944;phf;(for the logs, "gas burner" in russian is "gazovaya gorelka". certain russian words have ukr equivalents where the form modification follows a set of somewhat recognizable rules. the president of ukrain not knowing the correct term of "gas burner" in ukranian attempted just such modification transforming "gazovaya gorelka" into "gazova gorilka", which sounds ukranian and "gazova" is correct word, unfortunately for him "gorilka" only ever means "vodka" 1830681;1530243945;phf;in ukranian) 1830682;1530250299;mircea_popescu;phf the new york you know is not the new york i know. 1830683;1530250334;mircea_popescu;i recall a time fashionistas used to be a californy item derrided on the ny-london axis, and sorta-kinda patronized in paris. 1830684;1530250617;mircea_popescu;i also recall a time when a bunch of serb retards and a bunch of butthurt croats spent an afternoon pretending they can't understand each other "because speaking different languages" and "need translators". it was fucking hysterical. 1830685;1530250634;mircea_popescu;ps. there is no such thing as "serbian" or "croatian" language. they both speak the same shitfuck. 1830686;1530251119;mircea_popescu;aaand meanwhile in schmoocock, https://78.media.tumblr.com/cd7a3ad0ceb016b51a0e2e11b2ee3585/tumblr_n1wvdghExw1rsyk66o1_500.gif 1830687;1530276111;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there were roughly similar incidents with ru and ukr folx 1830688;1530281330;mod6;mornin 1830689;1530282608;mod6;!!up pipp8 1830690;1530282608;deedbot;pipp8 voiced for 30 minutes. 1830691;1530283303;mod6;Ah, ok, so they ~do~ have a vendors area at Defcon now. But the registration period for defcon 26 closed April 1st. 1830692;1530283327;mod6;Maybe something we can look at next year. 1830693;1530283405;mod6;Was anyone else at DC10, 11 or 12? 1830694;1530285319;asciilifeform;mod6: imho lolcons are a good way to get two dozen customers... erry single one of whom will be a usg provocateur 1830695;1530285795;mod6;i kinda suspect the same thing. 1830696;1530285909;mod6;anyway, was a thought. I'd like to perhaps continue this line of thinking though ; figuring out ways to help drive some signups. 1830697;1530289155;mircea_popescu;mod6 honestly, if i thought any of this is worth doing i'd do it. from actual experience and as far as i can myself see so far, besides fetlife there's no utility in the fiat bubble-makers. 1830698;1530289210;mircea_popescu;consider this comes from someone who's systematically owned okcupid&every other "dating" "platform", askfm, reddit etc -- every other "social media" platform, who was doing put-flyers-on-posts ~a decade ago~ and just as systematically and so on. 1830699;1530289907;mircea_popescu;and even given this, in order to convert fetlife leads into utility you actually need a dungeon, and the other slavegirls and you know, being the guy whio actually built all that. 1830700;1530289926;mod6;wb. 1830701;1530289934;mircea_popescu;ty. 1830702;1530289958;mod6;thanks for your input. perhaps, the grass-roots thing is the way to go. ``talk to people''. 1830703;1530289988;mircea_popescu;and furthermore -- the "only fetlife" item does not follow from anything personal -- mp is a perv, whatever. it follows from the objective. everything else, even should you acrete something, will be http://trilema.com/2010/problema-cu-crestinii/#comment-126101 << this moron, 1830704;1530290055;mircea_popescu;or if you prefer, douchebag or zx2c4 or kanzure or whatever. the postmodern world consists of a bunch of "directors" (in their own mind) who might maybe consider giving ~you~ a role in their WoWoW thing they've got going -- in their skull. 1830705;1530290097;mircea_popescu;and we're not talking a bunch of little viscontis running around. they're all sorely unqualified to direct breakfast, and this makes exactly 0 impression on their multifolded narcissism. because qualification doesn't even exist, wtf, their qualification is existence, rite. 1830706;1530290156;mircea_popescu;yet from the other hand, as true as the foregoing may well be, the question "and what's one do to, live in the bubble he was born and die there also ?" stands, of course. 1830707;1530290238;mod6;yeah, "mommy said I can do anything" 1830708;1530290238;mircea_popescu;after all, what is http://trilema.com/2012/la-terra-trema/ if not the story of some guy trying to escape acitrezza. so i have no beef with the idea in principle, and on teh contrary, i do believe erryone should try whatever sounds good. who knows, maybe we're missing something. 1830709;1530290301;mircea_popescu;mod6 practically speaking, the only important difference between the "7 bn people alive!!!" and the "n trillion people dead" is that the corpses don't usually use up resources. 1830710;1530290834;mircea_popescu;it's difficult however to illustrate just how deeply the self-delusions go. i mean, by example : changed4good 21F Little "Now why would i serve you? You havent earned my submission. In fact i dont know you one bit and clearly you dont know me by your comment." LordMPofTMSR "'Earned' your submission ? Get over yourself. The fact that you don't know me is a) your fault of which b) you should be ashamed and c) working to remedy 1830711;1530290834;mircea_popescu;." 1830712;1530290893;mircea_popescu;somehow this plain fact is not merely not obvious, but its landing hits like a mallet, "omfg, you seriously mean my own maturation is my own fucking task before the world ?! kids gotta learn how to walk, it's their job, really ?! i thought nobody had any jobs, we just swing in the tide like algae blooms!" 1830713;1530290915;mod6;These are pretty eye-opening. Heheh. 1830714;1530290921;mircea_popescu;the cult of inutility wishes to salute you. 1830715;1530290967;mod6;I don't know shit about BDSM, but I'd gather if one slut wants to submit, she wants to submit. Not have a debate about how someone needs to earn the submission. 1830716;1530291020;mod6;Maybe 'wants' doesn't even figure into it, for that matter. 1830717;1530291064;mod6;Just, sub-slut does as commanded. Or is not a sub-slut. 1830718;1530291081;mircea_popescu;(for completeness, the response, too long to fit in the usual style : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BGbUw/?raw=true tl;dr of course http://trilema.com/an-examination-of-conflict item ; in this case "i don't want to join a cult" stands for "i am already a proud member of the cult of inutility and won't be getting out". 1830719;1530291098;mircea_popescu;mod6 well yes but wot, mate. if she dun know you ? 1830720;1530291129;asciilifeform;lol the whole notion, that there's this 'outside of cult' 1830721;1530291168;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, as a scientist i have left all biases behind! 1830722;1530291182;mircea_popescu;note the "as an X" device, because indeed nothing's quite as juicy as self0irony 1830723;1530291216;mod6;mircea_popescu: fair enough 1830724;1530291243;mod6;bbs, meat 1830725;1530291277;mircea_popescu;anyway : a) even when it works, ie, you have all the (expensive! extensive!) toolset to convert seawater uranium into actual rods, b) you're talking ppm at best, and c) lulzbricks come 100:1 if not 1000:1. 1830726;1530291299;mircea_popescu;(but, for having teh blog, i am in a position to derive a little bit of ev out of the overabundant lulzcow, also!) 1830727;1530291562;mircea_popescu;so in short & in conclusion : building a dechumpatron very much open problem, precisely because (unlike chumpatrons!) it proposes to go ~against~ thermodynamics. 1830728;1530291573;mircea_popescu;ie, it is a proper machine, rather than chucka-ism. 1830729;1530291649;mircea_popescu;open problem as it may be, it is certainly a fact that the only way to power the going against thermodynamics is ~by the chump's own internal state~. which is the practical & useful meaning of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828126 "the curse". 1830730;1530291649;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 16:26 Mocky: ok well, thanks. hopefully that doesn't curse me. but also i "have" "bitcoin" in various dark markets that i want to actually own and I don't trust them to send accurate decimal to trinque's walletron 1830731;1530291680;mircea_popescu;and as far as can be discerned, the only chumps in an internal state compatible with de-chumpifying are in the bdsm scene. but i'd ~love~ to hear of others. 1830732;1530291738;mircea_popescu;(however, i do not suspect there are, for the following reason : the bdsm scene consists today of 1% kinksters and 99% girls and women looking for a dechumpatron. ~all the kids who in a normal world'd have been moving things ended up there, seems like, and this is very good indicator that there's not other boxes available) 1830733;1530291782;mircea_popescu;anyway, the foregoing isn't some kind of major discovery -- everyone's solution to civilisation was "gotta use orc's own forces", from the latins to the 1800s folk. cuz obviously. 1830734;1530292486;mircea_popescu;but in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830163 : consider that inca didn't come up with this, but rather it is entirely supported by, and a product of, the cultists of inutility own' busybox processes. girl says "X is A TACTIC USED BY ABUSERS!!111" without skipping a beat ; and the observation that eating -- also "tactic used by abusers" doesn't ripple her smooth surfaces at any point. 1830735;1530292486;a111;Logged on 2018-06-27 16:45 asciilifeform: in reich courts, facts are entirely optional, 'mens rea' suffices, 'he thought it was a genuine death ray', 'he bought the sugar from usg agent thinking it was cocaine, guilty of 25 pound of cocaine, 25 to life, next' etc. 1830736;1530293213;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830674 << goldmine of lulz btw. e.g. '"And This Is It?" - What Went Wrong with Surveillance Reform After Snowden' ; 1830737;1530293213;a111;Logged on 2018-06-29 03:26 phf: https://hope.net//schedule.html for expert entomologists 1830738;1530293217;asciilifeform;'Autocrypt is a user-centered, developer-driven effort to make a set of standards that support convenient, usable, easily-adoptable end-to-end encrypted email. With multiple email programs participating, they aim to make interoperable tools that actual humans can easily use...' 1830739;1530293230;asciilifeform;'Chelsea Manning Onstage Interview' 1830740;1530293290;asciilifeform;'Introduction to User Freedom... ...the four freedoms of free software...' 1830741;1530293305;mircea_popescu;eyewatering. 1830742;1530293344;asciilifeform;'Online Monitoring of the Alt-Right... ...The discussion will include some of the tooling that developed to monitor the alt-right and their online communities: both online and off. Also included will be coverage of the analysis that was performed alongside Unicorn Riot on analyzing thousands of leaked Discourse chats, as well as a dictionary of alt-right terms and memes that Caroline has been assembling...' 1830743;1530293377;asciilifeform;'The Sex Geek Returns: Hacking Plus Human Sexuality AMA... ...I’m A Queer, Non-Binary, Disabled Trans Femme Originally From Missouri Who Makes Their Own Geeky Sex Toys...' 1830744;1530293417;asciilifeform;and, for the gold crown, 'Snowden’s Critical Fuckin’ Flaw... Back in the good old days of 2015, Shami Chakrabarti wrote an opinion piece for The Guardian, stating that Edward Snowden "is a hero." She claimed that saying so didn’t make her an apologist for terror; it made her a firm believer in democracy and the rule of law. Many saw and still see it this way... Johannes thinks a fatal misconception is going on, and that we have 1830745;1530293417;asciilifeform; to talk about it because way too many people step on this ideological turd..' 1830746;1530293626;mircea_popescu;still referencing http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ , these morons ?! 1830747;1530293633;mircea_popescu;what, captive in 2013 ? 1830748;1530293640;asciilifeform;evidently 1830749;1530295195;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/lets-duckduckgo-a-little-see-what-comes-out/ << Trilema - Let's duckduckgo a little, see what comes out. 1830750;1530295461;mircea_popescu;^ speaking of, might be interesting exercise for the curious. 1830751;1530295498;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last week i did a brief hand-cranked version of this experiment, with similar result ( e.g. cr50 , several other subjs dead to google, reliably finds asciilifeform's www ) 1830752;1530295525;asciilifeform;approx on par with yandex. 1830753;1530295548;*;asciilifeform routinely uses yandex to dig up old trilemas on keyword 1830754;1530295559;mircea_popescu;experimentally ~same situation on google, for trilema, statistically. i suspect not specifically, though (ie, the space between this 13% and that 13% is not random but carefully hand-selected) but im too lazy to check this. 1830755;1530295603;asciilifeform;google suffers from buncha more or less obviously hand-curated deadspots 1830756;1530295620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one interesting tidbit is that trilema autoresolves titles, so if you remember that, you can always go trilema.com/lets-duckduck and it'll take you home. 1830757;1530295637;asciilifeform;( almost to the point that one can determine what subjects are in index librorum prohibitorum... ) 1830758;1530295640;*;mircea_popescu uses this extensively 1830759;1530295653;asciilifeform;right, worx great 1830760;1530295660;mircea_popescu;but yes, re evident hand-curated blind spots. they're "having a conversation" over there 1830761;1530295713;asciilifeform;if errry 'google engineer' is eaten by chechens tonight, it won't be a day too soon 1830762;1530295723;mircea_popescu;chechens -- full. 1830763;1530295730;asciilifeform;sadly 1830764;1530295770;*;asciilifeform sings anthem... 1830765;1530295777;asciilifeform;them soft vowels are a 1st class bitch btw 1830766;1530295809;mircea_popescu;i'm still digesting this nonsense whereby some fucktard from missouri thinks saying the right words in the big city will turn his passion for inserting corn cobbs / other farm-bound implements into some kind of new life. 1830767;1530295822;asciilifeform;fuckjing martian langs. jp is pretty simple by comparison. 1830768;1530295824;mircea_popescu;if all you wanted to do was shove the cobs up your butthole... why even leave missouri ?! 1830769;1530295856;asciilifeform;recall hanbot's tale with the corn. 1830770;1530295917;mircea_popescu;i'd rather not! 1830771;1530295922;asciilifeform;lol 1830772;1530296019;asciilifeform;btw re 'oil-impregnated wood', recall the porous bronze thing ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519905 & elsewhere ) , 20th c riff on that ancient tech. 1830773;1530296019;a111;Logged on 2016-08-12 20:33 asciilifeform: i was recently reading about 'oilite', a type of self-lubricating bronze, that is still made in usa. the factory where it was originally produced, owned by chrysler corp., lived in the '30s. today it is a ruin, rats live in it. oilite is still made, in usa, but for how long - i have nfi, at some point it will become difficult to find people who will follow the ritual (yes, to savages, industry is ritual) and it will sail off to china 1830774;1530296097;mircea_popescu;yup! 1830775;1530296115;mircea_popescu;this is a major materias science topic. 1830776;1530296122;asciilifeform;verily 1830777;1530296142;mircea_popescu;https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226718611_Hygroscopicity_of_wood_impregnated_with_linseed_oil << item dredged up by the article even. 1830778;1530296143;asciilifeform;incl in somewhat unexpected places ( talk to folx making vessels for liquid he, where pretty much all metals are porous ) 1830779;1530296180;mircea_popescu;for instance. but widely applicable. for instance -- did you know gekko ~skin~ is actually bactericidal ? most gram-negatives fail to survive the contact. 1830780;1530296207;mircea_popescu;the cause is related to that "On the basis of the model, each linseed oil molecule appears to displace 90 water molecules and occupy 6 hydrogen bonding sites in the wood." 1830781;1530296255;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the ameritards copied the tech, made 'bactericidal plastics' for just about errything in household, guaranteeing the proud owner a high quality gram-positive experience.. 1830782;1530296281;mircea_popescu;myeah 1830783;1530296294;mircea_popescu;what can you do. 1830784;1530296389;asciilifeform;upstack, moar lol, e.g. 3 past-pefect tenses. reminds of hungarian. 1830785;1530296401;asciilifeform;*perfect 1830786;1530296402;mircea_popescu;romanian also has them. 1830787;1530296429;asciilifeform;canhaz example? 1830788;1530296446;mircea_popescu;there's three futures (plain future, perfect future, future-in-the-past) and a counterfactual tense (techniucally, also a future). 1830789;1530296453;mircea_popescu;and there's like 7 pasts. 1830790;1530296470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alright, with examples : 1830791;1530296474;asciilifeform;'counterfactual' -- subjunctive, in eng terminology 1830792;1530296477;asciilifeform;errybody has that one 1830793;1530296522;mircea_popescu;no, romanian has that separately. 1830794;1530296544;mircea_popescu;conjunctive ("eu sa fac") vs putative ("eu as face") and perfect putative (eu as fi facut). 1830795;1530296584;mircea_popescu;approximately, "i'd be doing"/"i should be doing" vs "i would/could/might/etc be doing" vs "i w/c/m/etc have done". 1830796;1530296600;mircea_popescu;and eys the conjunctive has a perfect (eu sa fi facut) 1830797;1530296663;mircea_popescu;but anyway, leaving these nonpredicative perfects aside : imperfect (eu faceam) ; composed perfect (eu am facut) ; pluperfect (eu facusem) and simple perfect (eu facui) 1830798;1530296693;diana_coman;known best from "facui si dresei, cu nimic nu m-alesei" :P 1830799;1530296697;mircea_popescu;haha 1830800;1530296698;asciilifeform;eh these correspond to earthing, i.e. делаю , сделал бы, я бы сделал , as i understand 1830801;1530296702;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1830802;1530296704;asciilifeform;*earthling 1830803;1530296714;mircea_popescu;except you have 3 and i listed 4. 1830804;1530296759;asciilifeform;can haz demo that hinges on the 4th ? 1830805;1530296788;mircea_popescu;ma dusei la mindra-n sura si-i copsei o tochitura ? 1830806;1530296793;mircea_popescu;check me out, i even poetry. 1830807;1530296831;asciilifeform;lol neat 1830808;1530296837;mircea_popescu;[approximately, i went into my girlfriend's hay warehouse and fried her some stu] 1830809;1530296886;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can reliably distinguish philologist from plain romanian, as the latter's not going to be able to produce the simple perfect form for the "a coace" verb.\ 1830810;1530296932;mircea_popescu;because yes, romanian may have 4 past perfects + a bunch of past conjunctives, putatives, supines and whatnot. and they're even intensionally distinct. but this dun mean most speakers can even notice the distinctions. 1830811;1530297038;asciilifeform;the spammer folx who originally started asciilifeform on rotaku career, i suspect were not quite philologists. 1830812;1530297046;mircea_popescu;you think ? 1830813;1530297129;asciilifeform;experience similar to doing goethe after 'hande hoch, hitler kaput' de 1830814;1530297216;asciilifeform;asciilifeform in particular is fascinated with the mega-puzzler of how the fuck pieces reliably fall off a lang. e.g. ru lost vocative case, but, say , czech, still has it 1830815;1530297282;asciilifeform;any idjit can tell that the spring unwinds, e.g. the english lost good chunk of what i think of as basic moving parts of their lang, didn't even take 500 yr. but what ~winds~ the spring ? 1830816;1530297287;mircea_popescu;anyway, the simple perfect is deeply linked to [popular] poetry, such as say http://trilema.com/2014/maramu/ 1830817;1530297319;mircea_popescu;this because it's very strictly phonetically confined, so it works well for the continuation of classical poetry. because yes, ro has its own, unknwon, carmina buranas. 1830818;1530297347;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, patriarchy ? 1830819;1530297388;asciilifeform;e.g. jp has only handful of tenses, and lacks ( just as cn ) noun genders or distinction b/w singular/plural 1830820;1530297469;mircea_popescu;one of the principal drivers of my cultural suspicion of the yellow folk. 1830821;1530297477;mircea_popescu;wtf, genderless language ~= idiocy. 1830822;1530297624;trinque;asciilifeform: don't they do number with "particles" ? 1830823;1530297631;asciilifeform;trinque: they do. 1830824;1530297636;asciilifeform;lotsa lotsa particles. 1830825;1530297652;trinque;I can kinda squint and see stems and inflection in that 1830826;1530297792;asciilifeform;trinque: as i understand , all of the 'agglutinative' langs (e.g. turkish) work this way. 1830827;1530297795;trinque;what is it, "wo" is I, "wo men" is we. "wo men de" is our. 1830828;1530297844;trinque;if they had a proper writing system, might be womende by now 1830829;1530297877;asciilifeform;trinque: they have not 1 but 2 'proper' systems, just slow to switch. 1830830;1530297908;asciilifeform;sorta the 'c++ problem'. 'i learned 15000 hieroglyphs and so will you, boy' 1830831;1530297990;asciilifeform;iirc mcarthur originally planned to ban hieroglyphs, but ended up relenting 1830832;1530298135;trinque;depends on whether that barrier is keeping the right folks ~illiterate 1830833;1530298172;asciilifeform;trinque: they seem to like their wall, aha 1830834;1530298197;asciilifeform;sorta how even the english folx resist phonetization 1830835;1530298203;asciilifeform;for, i suspect, same reason 1830836;1530298245;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-27#388828 << i do not think that this line of business is worth pursuing further, and will tender my resignation for mismanagement if folks want it for the wasted time/effort. sifting the midden pile of the internet for people who worry about five dollars a month for hosting flies in the face of everything i've learned in #trilema about coming anywhere near the 1830837;1530298247;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-06-27 02:56 ben_vulpes: during the day: sweat! during the night: sweat! but also stare at the ceiling 1830838;1530298248;ben_vulpes;public. i have high hopes that the rockchip will be a thing people even want, but i'm clearly out of my depth on marketing to the great wide web. 1830839;1530298587;mircea_popescu;teh republic needs a whole bunch of managers, as it turns out. 1830840;1530299215;ben_vulpes;i am unable to distinguish advertising scamolade from the genuine article. i've reached out to an altcoin forum about advertising directly, and to some folks who pump ICOs to see about getting into their designers hosting pipelines, all to zero avail. not to mention that just looking at their existing websites makes me nauseous. 1830841;1530299506;ben_vulpes;i suspect that the tidal wave of people who only understand poking buttons has drowned out the tiny sample of people who even know how to work ftp, and are being 'served' (as the main course, naturally) by facebook/wix etc 1830842;1530299567;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, an organized article about all this that can be linked later for its datapoints would certainly not be a waste, neh ? 1830843;1530299582;asciilifeform;^ 1830844;1530299592;mircea_popescu;your 2014 or what was it v piece still regularly linked today. 1830845;1530299609;asciilifeform;still the definitive, imho, work on the subj 1830846;1530299633;mircea_popescu;2016. why do i think we had v four years ago ?! 1830847;1530299651;mircea_popescu;sometimes it feels like forever ; then one checks and it's been 1mn unixtimes or so. 1830848;1530300161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform routinely misremembers having v 4y ago. prolly because we were already doing signed chains of patches since day0 of trb. hand-cranked v. 1830849;1530300186;mircea_popescu;i guess. if it's natural it's also permanent or how it went. 1830850;1530300200;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you recall, v was asciilifeform's concession to 'no i dunwanna pedal the reactor rods with bare feet' of the other folx. 1830851;1530308834;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-removes-korean-occupation-headquarters-from-seoul/ << Qntra - US Removes Korean Occupation Headquarters From Seoul 1830852;1530309711;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/06/senegal-and-akon-collaborate-on-a-crypto-wakanda-metropolis/ << Qntra - Senegal And Akon Collaborate On A "Crypto Wakanda" Metropolis 1830853;1530310301;mircea_popescu;ghahahaha 1830854;1530310364;BingoBoingo;The Wakanda lulz just keep on rolling in 1830855;1530314918;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/29/the-moving-process-in-montevideo-continues/ << Bingo Blog - The Moving Process In Montevideo Continues 1830856;1530317795;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/so-whats-out-there/ << Trilema - So what's out there ? 1830857;1530322824;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on bare concrete, https://78.media.tumblr.com/05151e9d9c9e0816c59294fbf036acb1/tumblr_mi2v1oOhID1qdltsqo1_1280.jpg 1830858;1530324040;asciilifeform;'if anyone could tell me the real reason we have imaginary numbers that would be great!' << lol!! 1830859;1530324063;asciilifeform;la ce imi serveste mie radicalurile !!1111 1830860;1530324107;mircea_popescu;it's just... there's a bit from tlp linked in there, "truth dun matter, what's important is the subject" 1830861;1530324131;mircea_popescu;which is why they're so unprepared for it when they bite a "shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down" steel girder. 1830862;1530324157;mircea_popescu;"we have". he means he. 1830863;1530324231;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/1950s-cretinetti-i-soliti-ignoti-il-vedovo/#selection-105.0-105.191 << btw, il vedovo is a wonderful film. i very much recommend. 1830864;1530324234;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830836 << hey, so should I cease sifting of the ocean? i.e. does Pizarro no longer wish to pursue selling shared hosting? 1830865;1530324234;a111;Logged on 2018-06-29 18:50 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-27#388828 << i do not think that this line of business is worth pursuing further, and will tender my resignation for mismanagement if folks want it for the wasted time/effort. sifting the midden pile of the internet for people who worry about five dollars a month for hosting flies in the face of everything i've learned in #trilema about coming anywhere near the 1830866;1530324235;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-06-27 02:56 ben_vulpes: during the day: sweat! during the night: sweat! but also stare at the ceiling 1830867;1530324238;lobbes;Otherwise I have no problem continuing, though I have had 0 success thus far. I totally get the nausea aspect though; example of a post I had to muster 3 paragraphs to respond to in order to reach the 10 'non-fluff' post count threshold to be allowed to post an advertisement >> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1710421 1830868;1530324252;mircea_popescu;lobbes but did you publish anything anywhere ? 1830869;1530324345;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you appreciate this, at all, but consider : i follow fetlife for ~purely private~ reasons. on my own time, off my own money, for the lulz/orgasms of my own girls, and so on. yet i've published multiple articles including summaries, schematics, various discussions, on it goes. on the other hand, a bunch of you guys have been involved in a very comparable effort for about as long, and if tomorrow you put out ten thou 1830870;1530324346;mircea_popescu;sand words on the topic you'll maybe achieve 20% of the sum total ? 1830871;1530324358;mircea_popescu;is this sort of imbalance sane to any view ? 1830872;1530324369;lobbes;mircea_popescu, once I finally get my dang blog working properly :P 1830873;1530324378;mircea_popescu;this is not an answer. 1830874;1530324401;mircea_popescu;what is this claim to an activity that can't be explained ? in what sense is it activity ? 1830875;1530324593;lobbes;to the question of "have you published anywhere?" the answer is "no" 1830876;1530324612;mircea_popescu;"it is impossible then for us to help you". 1830877;1530324613;lobbes;I will work to address this 1830878;1530324617;lobbes;aye 1830879;1530324683;lobbes;okay, I must get this blog functioning pronto. I have defined that problem at least, after our last discussion (established connections were simply exceeding apache max workers) 1830880;1530324690;mircea_popescu;and it ~may~ be the case that the actual definition of work is "that activity in which others can help you" plainly and directly. 1830881;1530324723;lobbes;this makes sense, otherwise solipsism 1830882;1530324827;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1830883;1530324846;hanbot;fwiw, i recall seeing sales progress reports from lobbes in #pizarro multiple times 1830884;1530324858;lobbes;maybe more like that trilema I read somewhere, and it resolved that old question "if a tree falls yadda yadda, does it make a sound?" "no, because sound has a explicit meaning" 1830885;1530324866;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not saying he's a bad person. i'm trying to get this thing going whereby it actually works. 1830886;1530324952;lobbes;well for now, a rough report on my actions thus far >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Gg8cU/?raw=true 1830887;1530324971;lobbes;formal to come 1830888;1530325024;mircea_popescu;dropped ads: << did they have tracking ? 1830889;1530325111;lobbes;what do you mean by tracking? as in it alerts poster if movement? 1830890;1530325120;mircea_popescu;for instance, cheap trick based on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830756 : if i'm curious whether some slut does click a link, i just use a shorter version, then it's evident in the logs if she did. but anything works for this purpose, adding a &hurrdurr say, you can then grep for it in the weblogs. 1830891;1530325120;a111;Logged on 2018-06-29 18:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one interesting tidbit is that trilema autoresolves titles, so if you remember that, you can always go trilema.com/lets-duckduck and it'll take you home. 1830892;1530325162;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-on and http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-roo both go the same place, but they're also different things, yes ? 1830893;1530325277;mircea_popescu;so then you can say not merely "dropped ads" but things more detailed. like say http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/ 1830894;1530325307;*;lobbes reads 1830895;1530325337;mircea_popescu;other than that, the other comment is, maybe you/whole thing could benefit from automation. 1830896;1530325394;mircea_popescu;eg : ask ~every single blogger on wordpress.com~ whether they wouldn't like their own hosting. you know those shitheels a) conspire to fuck up the internet and b) fleece the poor noobs something fierce. why not hurt an imperial outfit while helping some rando anontards ? 1830897;1530325451;lobbes;aha I see 1830898;1530325645;lobbes;yeah, automation does seem to be the answer to the sifting of the ocean problem. hard to sift through an entire ocean with a coffee mug 1830899;1530325822;mircea_popescu;moreover a) why would you even try if not because you're deliberately preparing the design of a trawler and want to get the minutia correct ; and 1830900;1530325847;mircea_popescu;b) how would anyone observing intuit the distinction between happy case when a) above and sad case when you actually intend to work the ocean by hand-on-mug ? 1830901;1530325888;mircea_popescu;this is why publishing and the resulting discussion is so crucial for any sort of desirable result, there's just no way to know what you need help with otherwise. 1830902;1530326368;lobbes;makes sense. and with that, /me takes notes and heads to blog reactor room. 1830903;1530327931;hanbot;"Winner must provide a signed prize acceptance and a W-9 before receiving prize." ahahahaha this trilema piece is throwing me between fits of glee and rage 1830904;1530327939;mircea_popescu;lol 1830905;1530329523;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing "bash against andreessen's webshit", here's an instagram castrator : curl https://www.instagram.com/slut/ | tr '\n' ' ' | sed 's${"src":"$\n$g' | sed 's$}],"$\n$g' | grep '"config_width":640' | sed 's$","config_width":640,"config_height":640$>$g' | sed 's$^$ slut.html 1830906;1530361637;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-30#1830864 << Far too soon for that. I've been warming up long inactive forum accounts (mostly alt-derecho and manoshpere places) and have one lead. Latinos have eaten an incredible amount of my time this month, but when the fiber arrives Tuesday I will have more quality time to direct at the social engineering. Anyways when mircea_popescu has been posting fetlife bashfu all month far too soon to throw in 1830907;1530361637;a111;Logged on 2018-06-30 02:03 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830836 << hey, so should I cease sifting of the ocean? i.e. does Pizarro no longer wish to pursue selling shared hosting? 1830908;1530361637;BingoBoingo;the towel without raping the web's soft and wet spots. 1830909;1530361681;BingoBoingo;There are two marketing avenues. 1 - Targeted social engineering 2 - Third Class Mail (On the Internet) 1830910;1530366323;phf;https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3212479 "C Is Not a Low-level Language: Your computer is not a fast PDP-11." 1830911;1530367956;BingoBoingo;In other news, just walked past some bums fighting for territory. They were yelling across the street, breaking sidewalk tiles, and throwing the pieces at each other. 1830912;1530367970;asciilifeform;phf: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-16#925557 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765110 , elsewhere 1830913;1530367970;a111;Logged on 2014-11-16 18:39 asciilifeform: move to 'risc' was driven mainly by desire for auto-optimization (pipelining, out-of-order instruction sequencing) in the pursuit of 'fast' (see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 ) 1830914;1530367970;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 18:34 asciilifeform: bbbut noooo, gotta reorder, because Only A Terorrist Would expect microshit to write sane compiler... 1830915;1530368079;phf;asciilifeform: oh yeah, we've definitely had conversations on subj; also a thread where old unix heads rant and rave on subj https://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2018-June/014141.html 1830916;1530368388;asciilifeform;spoiler for readers : linked piece mentions dataflow 0 times , instead proposes the usual idiocy of 'immutability' and 'very large numbers of hardware-scheduled threads' etc 1830917;1530369404;phf;i think thread half heartedly mentioned dataflow (via verilog/vhdl), but by the time i saw it my attention waned 1830918;1530369470;asciilifeform;verilog etc have approx as much to do with general-purpose dataflow as arm-flapping has to do with aviation. 1830919;1530371541;phf;asciilifeform: long work week? 1830920;1530373253;mircea_popescu;Nelson H. F. Beebe beebe at math.utah.edu Wed Jun 27 03:54:24 AEST 2018 << these fuckwards are seriously on pipermail ? in 2018 ?! 1830921;1530373265;mircea_popescu;!!rate beebe -10 fuck you. 1830922;1530373266;deedbot;beebe is not registered in WoT. 1830923;1530373271;mircea_popescu;obviously. 1830924;1530374642;mircea_popescu;aaan in today's lulz, "Let me say from the onset that I am a 47-year-old African-American male, with one child, a few small businesses and have been married for twelve years to a wonderful wife—all the things a man could hope for in a life. Did I mention that my wife recently told me that I have been in an “open marriage” for three years?" 1830925;1530374656;mircea_popescu;via returnofcucks.com 1830926;1530374778;mircea_popescu;"I do not come to you as an angry and jealous husband. I come to you as a man, who, after consulting with over twenty male friends in my age group (35 to 50), discovered that almost all of them have experienced the same problem." 1830927;1530374863;asciilifeform;wtf is pipermail anyway 1830928;1530374864;mircea_popescu;http://www.returnofkings.com/32644/the-rising-epidemic-of-cheating-wives-who-want-freedom << whole thing pretty fucking hysterical, actually. 1830929;1530374872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mailing list thing. 1830930;1530374881;mircea_popescu;anyway, " You can hear the depth of the remaining scar in his voice as he spoke." 1830931;1530374983;mircea_popescu;all these insufferable fucktards, "working class" (perhaps best represented by the "persona civile...degli ani 70" Giulio Basletti character in http://trilema.com/2017/romanzo-popolare/ ). who figured the "one guy-one gal" thing works in the sense that they'll get a gal, and she'll be the sort of gal i get, hot and slavishly dedicated. 1830932;1530375009;mircea_popescu;and then one man-one job, in the sense that they'll get a job, and it'll pay about 100x what they're worth, because what, they're not africans, they're civilised men. 1830933;1530375039;mircea_popescu;except they're not, holy shit, working class is dead. if it ever was fucking alive, ever. they get to gift me their daugther in the hope she dun fucking starve, what the fuck. 1830934;1530375192;asciilifeform;lol civilized 1830935;1530375264;mircea_popescu;this is what they thought. 1830936;1530375293;mircea_popescu;two if not three generations of these repugnant fuckwads, thought "they have rights" in the sense of "to a decent life", in the sense of "you provide us a tight cunt and a warm place to shit in". 1830937;1530375303;mircea_popescu;i kid you not, unbelievable as it may sound, it was their idea. 1830938;1530375307;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-30#1830919 << asciilifeform has, roughly speaking , 7day week. but you prolly knew that. 1830939;1530375307;a111;Logged on 2018-06-30 15:12 phf: asciilifeform: long work week? 1830940;1530375379;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't picture aquarium fish having 'idea' 1830941;1530375423;asciilifeform;( can have, perhaps, 'where is the food?! is the feeder jammed or wat' , but that's the limit ) 1830942;1530375452;mircea_popescu;this is what the "working man" notion was all about. 1830943;1530375473;mircea_popescu;"hey, if we band together, maybe we can re-enact the glory days of the praetorian guard ?!" 1830944;1530375488;mircea_popescu;somehow nobody told the fuckers that was an epiphenomenon of dying wealthy state. 1830945;1530375541;asciilifeform;speaking of which, almost all of asciilifeform's neighbours, are nao scrap dealers 1830946;1530375546;asciilifeform;it's the new, hot thing... 1830947;1530375553;mircea_popescu;lol 1830948;1530375567;asciilifeform;trucks loading, unloading, from dawn to ~midnight nao 1830949;1530375585;asciilifeform;vehehehery su-'90s 1830950;1530375602;mircea_popescu;as the man said, "If you would have asked me to write about this subject ten years ago, you could have as easily been asking me to write in hieroglyphics, charting the constellation of our galaxy. Unfortunately, " 1830951;1530375625;mircea_popescu;"the rapid onset inconceivable", here as everywhere the sure witness of overwroughgt imbecility. 1830952;1530375636;asciilifeform;1 d00d separates the iron from plastic in old fridges, with hammers, all day, erry day, his 5 chillunz helping 1830953;1530375699;mircea_popescu;recall a time when that'd have been better done in a plant ? 1830954;1530375704;asciilifeform;( ~commercial~ fridges. konsoomer crapola has ~0 iron ) 1830955;1530375714;mircea_popescu;"1 d00d adds numbers, all day, with paper, childrens helping..." 1830956;1530375728;asciilifeform;lol 1830957;1530375867;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830389 -> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697886 1830958;1530375867;a111;Logged on 2018-06-27 23:01 mircea_popescu: in less lofty matters, do you happ[en to recall where the fuck i said essentially "women are the societal scar tissue, by the time males start leaving a field and women start joining it, it's fucked" ? 1830959;1530375867;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 19:26 mircea_popescu: and of course as women are the social scar tissue, this is going to end up with yet another "oh, it's THEIR fault!!!", like every historical case to date. 1830960;1530375871;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in 'plant' nowadays there are 'workers' with 'rights', tax is paid, they demand to see passports, the whole nonsense. 1830961;1530375891;asciilifeform;whereas here it's 'spanish' d00d , doing plain old work, all day, erry day. 1830962;1530376015;mircea_popescu;diana_coman bwahaha. 1830963;1530376040;mircea_popescu;i thought it was a trilema article/group, honestly, this item was summarizing. 1830964;1530376276;diana_coman;well, it already happened to me a couple of times before to think I read something on trilema but find instead that it was on #trilema 1830965;1530376302;diana_coman;but other than that I'd say it is indeed sprinkled (if not in those words) in a few articles, not grouped though 1830966;1530376338;mircea_popescu;shame on me for being sloppy. 1830967;1530376365;mircea_popescu;and thank you! 1830968;1530376371;diana_coman;np 1830969;1530376419;asciilifeform;in other sapir-mircea_popescu-whorf-isms, seems like in ye olde 'нохчи мотт' , not only nouns, verbs, but even 'to be' is gendered 1830970;1530376435;mircea_popescu;ofcourseitis. 1830971;1530376533;asciilifeform;pretty riotous sov-era b00k, also, e.g., 'after great october revolution, it became a troo literary lang, we even translated the classics of marxism-leninism...' etc 1830972;1530376642;mircea_popescu;heh 1830973;1530376657;mircea_popescu;"true literary language means it has a translated version of the logs" 1830974;1530376665;asciilifeform;pretty much 1830975;1530377688;mircea_popescu;you know it's whorf btw. 1830976;1530377765;asciilifeform;aa 1830977;1530380002;mircea_popescu;sooo i just spent five minutes watching naked girl (well, except for the gloves) fight grease spots on floor. 1830978;1530380004;mircea_popescu;i love my life. 1830979;1530380159;diana_coman;that sounds like an euloran scene 1830980;1530380280;mircea_popescu;lol 1830981;1530380321;mircea_popescu;the grease spots, for the record, were from where i oiled the large wooden spanking spoon. so very kafka-craftian indeed. 1830982;1530380442;diana_coman;ahahah, now that instantly created this image of mircea-yaga with an apron and the huge spanking spoon 1830983;1530380461;mircea_popescu;accurate, i got this troll's beard... 1830984;1530380522;mircea_popescu;what;s your implement of infantile domestic discipline anyway ? cuz can always tell junior, "in costa rica they got spanking spoons that stand taller than you!" 1830985;1530380552;diana_coman;ahaha; at his 5 years of age, I can use hand no problem 1830986;1530380576;mircea_popescu;most people prefer a designated implement so as to not threaten kid with themselves. 1830987;1530380593;mircea_popescu;splitting, it's a thing. 1830988;1530380716;asciilifeform;traditional, army belt, compleet with star 1830989;1530381313;*;phf has memories of the army belt with star, applied 1830990;1530382308;mircea_popescu;ha. that was teh golden standard for that whole slice of the globe huh 1830991;1530383348;mircea_popescu;ahhh this whinerticle is so much fun. "My friends and I have all come to realize that the financial cost for infidelity is usually always borne on the man. " 1830992;1530383377;mircea_popescu;guess what, my friends and i have mostly come to agree that the sort of dork who says "usually always" belongs in someone's basement anyway. 1830993;1530384085;mircea_popescu;"What is important, though; is that it’s not women’s fault. It’s not like they have changed. Women always have, always will do what they believe those they consider alpha wants them to do. That’s all there ever was with them. If they behave in a degenerate, suicidal manner, it’s because that is the signals they are getting up from today’s alphas. Hence, the relevant problem is not how to re-engineer women, but rat 1830994;1530384085;mircea_popescu;her how to re-engineer society so that it gives less opportunity for the degenerate to be elevated to alpha status." 1830995;1530384098;mircea_popescu;fucktards. they're gonna get together and outlaw things! THATLL FIX IT!!11 1830996;1530384130;mircea_popescu;"how could the world have no room for us grunts anymoar!!! NOTPOSSIBRU!!!" 1830997;1530389564;BingoBoingo;And they are lighting fireworks. can smell one dumpter 1830998;1530390605;BingoBoingo;And the celebration seems to have calmed. Smoke smells are fading 1830999;1530392469;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in practical ways and means for the worker's party, https://store.adam4adam.com/inception-fuckhole-sheath_3312.html 1831000;1530393636;lobbes;BingoBoingo: roger that, and ty for confirmation 1831001;1530398362;Mocky;so much butt hurt on that return of kings page. and those ads, lol 1831002;1530401844;mircea_popescu;some epic shit. 1831003;1530402308;asciilifeform;dunno, ~same set of derps have been churning out this ~same thing for over decade nao. 1831004;1530402493;mircea_popescu;more. i think it started as a warrant officer wank/fanfic in the 70s. 1831005;1530402503;mircea_popescu;dependopopotamus comes off this same literary trunk 1831006;1530402533;asciilifeform;i thought it came from their actual life 1831007;1530402534;mircea_popescu;but anyway, yes, it's blue collar mainstay, "while you're here working the little lady's having you the milkman's kids"