1779046;1517443605;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform recently looked at 'lighthttpd', after it came up in the log. astonishing tanker of liquishit. 1779047;1517443831;mod6;lol 'tanker' 1779048;1517443926;asciilifeform;just like apache, nginx, etc. it has the microshit-quality : you can throw darts all day long and hit only things that really don't need to be there for anything sane people are likely to do with http 1779049;1517444366;trinque;nginx went the venture capital route at some point, gotta justify the rounds 1779050;1517444469;asciilifeform;in this particular case it wouldn't even matter if it were run by honest folx 1779051;1517444492;asciilifeform;the very notion of 'production http server' that exists now, is retarded, in its baked-in conceptual support for warcrimes like ssl 1779052;1517444506;asciilifeform;this 'modularity' generates considerable complexity even if unused 1779053;1517444540;asciilifeform;( this is entirely separate from the fact that all 'industrial' http servers existing nao are in megatonne of c liquishit, language with nothing resembling sane string handling ) 1779054;1517444996;asciilifeform;ohai BingoBoingo 1779055;1517445059;BingoBoingo;Hello, machines screwed in. Need to return in the morning to figure out what stupid mistake I made configuring the switch/router. Long night of reading sample configs ahead. 1779056;1517445225;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what exactly do the digs look like ? cage with own door ? or just rack ? or how 1779057;1517445287;BingoBoingo;rack with locking door and badass mesh barrier. Like a birdcage for hannibal lecter 1779058;1517445349;asciilifeform;mesh where ? the back side ? 1779059;1517445388;BingoBoingo;front and back. sides are solid 1779060;1517445395;asciilifeform;aa 1779061;1517445441;BingoBoingo;Shit has to breathe 1779062;1517445456;asciilifeform;normally this is done with vertical chimney 1779063;1517445466;mod6;sounds decent BingoBoingo 1779064;1517445508;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: are you able to distinguish 'misconfiged router' from 'dead pipe' , say ? 1779065;1517445514;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Gotta remember this is in the basement of the basement 1779066;1517445526;BingoBoingo;By plugging Qntra directly into the pipe 1779067;1517445528;asciilifeform;aa 1779068;1517445546;mod6;Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Addresshttp://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000288.html 1779069;1517445559;mod6;ugh 1779070;1517445567;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000288.html 1779071;1517445619;asciilifeform;oh hey 1779072;1517445635;asciilifeform;nuffin in there about ben_vulpes's test of the sync sanity patch 1779073;1517445660;asciilifeform;i can only suppose he dun have a verdict yet... 1779074;1517445700;asciilifeform;( for that matter, ben_vulpes's own logical extension of same patch , ditto ) 1779075;1517445753;mod6;Good question, not yet. 1779076;1517445797;mod6;When we have something solid, we'll make mention of it for sure. :] 1779077;1517447327;asciilifeform;in other olds, http://prog21.dadgum.com/116.html >> 'Things That Turbo Pascal is Smaller Than' 1779078;1517447506;asciilifeform;e.g. 'The image of the white iPhone 4S at apple.com (190,157 bytes)' 'The touch command under OS X Lion (44,016 bytes).' 1779079;1517486926;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1779080;1517486935;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9520.01, vol: 13168.35666700 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9668.5, vol: 43087.00794047 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9488.9, vol: 6767.82091731 | Volume-weighted last average: 9618.18724777 1779081;1517494803;BingoBoingo;Attention Lords And Ladies of The Republic: You may add 161.0.121.253 to your hosts file as Qntra.net 1779082;1517494854;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu Qntra.net online at 161.0.121.253 pls to get the domain repointed, ISP statement incoming. 1779083;1517494854;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1779084;1517494912;BingoBoingo;Turns out the problem was I overconfigured the switch yesterday. Less is more. 1779085;1517495073;diana_coman;oh hey, well done BingoBoingo ! 1779086;1517495085;diana_coman;I can confirm I see it from here 1779087;1517495115;diana_coman;although it is...slow to load 1779088;1517495194;asciilifeform;congrats BingoBoingo ! 1779089;1517495227;asciilifeform;diana_coman: slow to load but i suspect that it has qntra hardcoded links and yer browser sits and tries to resolve and fails 1779090;1517495253;diana_coman;asciilifeform, the home page directly with the ip was also slow 1779091;1517495257;asciilifeform;see if still slow after adding to hosts 1779092;1517495271;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i meant specifically when loading via ip 1779093;1517495641;diana_coman;asciilifeform, you are right; works fine after adding to hosts 1779094;1517495673;asciilifeform;wellknown effect 1779095;1517495734;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: search your html for absolute links to qntra, there's no good reason for them, use relativelinks 1779096;1517495750;asciilifeform;i mean for css/img 1779097;1517495769;asciilifeform;perfectly proper to have clickable links to absolute 1779098;1517495822;BingoBoingo;Will do 1779099;1517496561;BingoBoingo;Alright, give it a try! 1779100;1517497265;BingoBoingo;http://161.0.121.253/2018/02/online-again/ 1779101;1517497300;asciilifeform;oh hey. 1779102;1517497319;BingoBoingo;And now it is statement time 1779103;1517497992;mod6;mornin' 1779104;1517498011;BingoBoingo;mornin mod6 1779105;1517498060;mod6; <+BingoBoingo> Attention Lords And Ladies of The Republic: You may add 161.0.121.253 to your hosts file as Qntra.net << congrats BingoBoingo! 1779106;1517498997;shinohai;ah latam node ha 1779107;1517499059;shinohai;congrats BingoBoingo 1779108;1517499084;BingoBoingo;shinohai: I still gotta get a bitcoind on the box 1779109;1517499099;shinohai;understandable 1779110;1517499118;shinohai;im still setting up slimv today 1779111;1517500629;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: be sure to use trb with sync sanity, cuts sync time from 6+months to coupla weeks at worst 1779112;1517500669;asciilifeform;( at some point we will have to solve the puzzle of just how many trb nodes it makes sense to have inside 1 cage, i also suspect ) 1779113;1517500924;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I put an up to recent block chain copy on the box already, but yes I plan to build the ben_vulpes super aggression for it. 1779114;1517501024;asciilifeform;aa 1779115;1517501166;mod6;ssd too i hope 1779116;1517501209;BingoBoingo;Indeed SSD 1779117;1517501218;mod6;*thumbs up* 1779118;1517510438;ben_vulpes;wb qntra! 1779119;1517510486;ben_vulpes;ah how i've missed thee 1779120;1517512016;mod6;ya srsly. nice to have it back. 1779121;1517513862;lobbes;Ah, congrats BingoBoingo. 1779122;1517514050;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/ << Bingo Blog - The Boingo ISP January 2018 Monthly Statement 1779123;1517514121;BingoBoingo;Updated fiat running account http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/#comment-114635 1779124;1517514171;BingoBoingo;Comments on how to handle the fx movements in the future welcome, encouraged, and desired 1779125;1517514575;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778994 << heh, they must be reading logz. MPEx now appears under "2014 Fundraising Campaign" 1779126;1517514575;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 19:58 asciilifeform: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html << aaaaand openbsd ~immediately~ listed 'pineapple fund'. and guess who not listed at all, to this day. 1779127;1517514961;mod6;haha 1779128;1517515118;lobbes;BingoBoingo: small typo under "Assets, Cash"; You have 0 + 0.20123128 = 0.20113128 1779129;1517515162;trinque;pretty sure it's been there a long time https://archive.is/WwN89 1779130;1517515192;BingoBoingo;lobbes: ty, pls to keep the corrections coming 1779131;1517515210;BingoBoingo;me voy para un leccion de español 1779132;1517517442;asciilifeform;trinque: i missed it: looked for mp, rather than mpex 1779133;1517518004;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/01/eucrypt-chapter-8-bit-level-keccak-sponge/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 8: Bit-Level Keccak Sponge 1779134;1517518045;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'gnat-specific methods' link broken 1779135;1517518175;diana_coman;asciilifeform, fixed, thank you! 1779136;1517518220;diana_coman;phf, chapter 8 of eucrypt is a fully-working Keccak, albeit at bit level 1779137;1517518228;asciilifeform;diana_coman: neato 1779138;1517518255;asciilifeform;seems to use whole word (i.e. 64b , on amd64) to store each bit tho 1779139;1517518258;diana_coman;tbh I would recommend it as a better "starter" approach anyway 1779140;1517518263;asciilifeform;i assume this was deliberate, sorta like my egyptologies 1779141;1517518266;diana_coman;for understanding reason 1779142;1517518284;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes, at this stage the point was to keep it very clear and simple 1779143;1517518286;asciilifeform;aa 1779144;1517518313;diana_coman;no speed-concern yet 1779145;1517518350;diana_coman;the current plan is then to go back to the "word-level" and make that one deal with different endianness 1779146;1517518393;asciilifeform;in re shifts/rotates ( as seen in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/w_shifts.ads ) one nitpick : Shift_Left, etc. are not per se gnat-specific; they are in the standard. but for some perverse reason their ~invocation~ is implementation-specific, and requires this gnaticism. 1779147;1517518393;diana_coman;in principle if one aims for speed, one should look at parallelism I guess 1779148;1517518407;asciilifeform;(supposing this difference makes a difference to anybody) 1779149;1517518427;diana_coman;huh, for modular types ? 1779150;1517518431;asciilifeform;fwiw i do not know of a cpu , from any earthling cpu maker, that did not have shifts/rotates by 1 1779151;1517518488;asciilifeform;diana_coman: http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/05aarm/html/AA-B-2.html 1779152;1517518539;asciilifeform;fwiw one can also define these like a barbarian, as x * 2 and x / 2 ; and gcc (last i saw) will Do The Right Thing and transform to a shift 1779153;1517518541;diana_coman;funnily enough the rotates are anyway mainly "shortcuts" for 2 (iirc) transformation operations but otherwise not directly in keccak's defs as such 1779154;1517518546;asciilifeform;but this is not clean. 1779155;1517518643;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the observation re 'take as much speed as you actually need, but not more, if costs ugliness' is correct and is in fact the basis for ffa 1779156;1517518681;*;diana_coman admits that is one of the things she really, really likes about ffa 1779157;1517518714;asciilifeform;the unfortunate thing re 'use word to store 1 bit' is that it will give obscenely disproportionate slowdown, due to spilling out of cacheable size 1779158;1517518722;asciilifeform;but if the application tolerates this -- no reason wainot. 1779159;1517518749;asciilifeform;( you are likely to see 200-300x slowdown, depending on particular chip, be ready for this ) 1779160;1517518833;diana_coman;we will see 1779161;1517518839;asciilifeform;diana_coman: in some applications, speed doesn't really matter almost at all. and in those, it is even now possible to, e.g., take ch5 ffa for rsatron. 1779162;1517518868;asciilifeform;( it is imho unlikely that anyone will demonstrate an rsatron with fewer moving parts than ffa-ch5 ) 1779163;1517520288;phf;diana_coman: ty, i'll try wiring it in, and keep you posted. i assume ada<>c interop is pretty straightforward, though i won't have a chance to try until later next week. suddenly busy 1779164;1517520434;diana_coman;phf, ada<->C interop was quite straightforward last time I tried it, didn't take much at all; you'll need to add a few exports iirc 1779165;1517520637;phf;keccak patche on btcbase, also asciilifeform ch9 likewise 1779166;1517520687;diana_coman;thanks! 1779167;1517524587;asciilifeform;ty phf ! 1779168;1517530839;BingoBoingo;!!up mp_en_viaje 1779169;1517530840;deedbot;mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes. 1779170;1517530896;Qntbtt;http://qntra.net/2018/02/what-happened-while-qntra-was-down/ 1779171;1517530919;mp_en_viaje;hola 1779172;1517530928;BingoBoingo;Boa Noite 1779173;1517530988;BingoBoingo;Still in Colombia? 1779174;1517531018;mp_en_viaje;aha. 1779175;1517531033;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1779036 << you're not worthy! milk is a scammer! 1779176;1517531033;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 23:06 ben_vulpes: or hm i guess the nick i picked was bv_is_a_scammer 1779177;1517531185;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779049 <<< word. nginx was impressive a year or two after it came out ; then it regressed to the mean at the usual speed (slowly but discernibly at first, "women in tech" level past few years) 1779178;1517531185;a111;Logged on 2018-02-01 00:19 trinque: nginx went the venture capital route at some point, gotta justify the rounds 1779179;1517531189;asciilifeform;ohai mp_en_viaje 1779180;1517531193;mp_en_viaje;how goes 1779181;1517531201;asciilifeform;loox like BingoBoingo has liftoff ! 1779182;1517531213;mp_en_viaje;o hey! 1779183;1517531214;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if it's supposed to already resolve on heathendns , it dun yet 1779184;1517531274;asciilifeform;( on box with hand-sewn hosts.txt worxgreat ) 1779185;1517531286;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779055 << lel. tmsr-cisco cert. 1779186;1517531286;a111;Logged on 2018-02-01 00:30 BingoBoingo: Hello, machines screwed in. Need to return in the morning to figure out what stupid mistake I made configuring the switch/router. Long night of reading sample configs ahead. 1779187;1517531406;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aside from where you misspelled me name, loox ok 1779188;1517531414;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779056 <<< this, for the record, is a question ~TO BE ANSWERED BY PICTURES BEFORE IT IS ASKED~. 1779189;1517531414;a111;Logged on 2018-02-01 00:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what exactly do the digs look like ? cage with own door ? or just rack ? or how 1779190;1517531432;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i assumed he did not post a photo for opsec reason 1779191;1517531440;asciilifeform;( makes life too easy for nosy parkers ) 1779192;1517531454;mp_en_viaje;why so sluggish with this whole "i am an actual person, i behave like an actual person, to the humiliating, painfully evident difference from subhuman idcard carriers" ? 1779193;1517531471;mp_en_viaje;that's just silly. 1779194;1517531505;mp_en_viaje;the benefit is the long tail and to be accrued ; the supposed disadvantage is not and to be defended in other ways. 1779195;1517531514;mp_en_viaje;dja understand the fundamental principle at work ? 1779196;1517531521;asciilifeform;where's the photo of castle popescustein then 1779197;1517531563;asciilifeform;( if there's nothing to be lost by posting it... i bet it's quite a sight, why then not posted ) 1779198;1517531566;mp_en_viaje;woman is to go around naked, not dressed. this because the positive she gets from the advertising of her sexual characteristics sums an epsilon over as large a crowd is exposed (this is a pantsuit rendition ; the correct statement is that her chances to score mp depend on exposure) 1779199;1517531591;mp_en_viaje;woman's concern that she could be raped is to be addressed through impaling would'be rapists. NOT through "not publishing pubenda". 1779200;1517531616;mp_en_viaje;that's just how the cost/benefit works out. 1779201;1517531640;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-shopping-candlelight-gratis/ 1779202;1517531661;asciilifeform;eh that's only inside 1779203;1517531676;asciilifeform;where's the 1 showing the turrets. 1779204;1517531677;mp_en_viaje;this is alfism nonsense, whatever is said "that is only the X". 1779205;1517531690;mp_en_viaje;nevertheless, as to the other score : tmsr isp is not some exercise in little boy fantasy wank 1779206;1517531699;mp_en_viaje;it is intended as very public humiliation of usg impotence. 1779207;1517531699;asciilifeform;the analogous BingoBoingo pic would be if he took one while standing inside the rack, like in phone booth 1779208;1517531735;mp_en_viaje;consequently it neednt have nor benefits from an ykind of mystery air. 1779209;1517531742;asciilifeform;no, i'm sold, i get the idea , 'nyahaha, come and get it' 1779210;1517531759;asciilifeform;but it does raise the question of why not also 'here is castle mp, come and get' 1779211;1517531786;mp_en_viaje;because i don't want a throng of poor but stupid women begging in my driveway. 1779212;1517531791;asciilifeform;fair'nuff. 1779213;1517531812;mp_en_viaje;"we would like to do the thing you do in your way as to the marzipan and in our way as to the fucking plox" 1779214;1517531823;*;asciilifeform can picture this 1779215;1517531846;mp_en_viaje;incredible supply of these, by the way. nfi what the fuck is going on in plebe head, but apparently THIS is very much what they mean by "participation" in public affairs. 1779216;1517531851;mp_en_viaje;notrly news, i guess. anyway. 1779217;1517531925;BingoBoingo; the analogous BingoBoingo pic would be if he took one while standing inside the rack, like in phone booth << I will pick up a tower box here locally, set it in the cage and take this pic. The thing is deep. 1779218;1517531955;asciilifeform;naah BingoBoingo , take the kind mp_en_viaje described 1779219;1517531957;mp_en_viaje;and finally -- mp's castle is owned by mp outright. bb has investors ; makes claims to those investors, benefits IMMENSELY from implementing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779188 1779220;1517531957;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 00:30 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779056 <<< this, for the record, is a question ~TO BE ANSWERED BY PICTURES BEFORE IT IS ASKED~. 1779221;1517531964;mp_en_viaje;rather than upon prodding. 1779222;1517531995;BingoBoingo;This is a point. 1779223;1517532002;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, seriouasly, form the mental habit. pics and blog. 1779224;1517532009;mp_en_viaje;you get an interesting blog and a great reputation. 1779225;1517532016;asciilifeform;incl., ideally, measurements 1779226;1517532020;asciilifeform;'here's what you get' 1779227;1517532025;mp_en_viaje;anything else is just pissing in your own cereal. 1779228;1517532130;asciilifeform;another item, BingoBoingo : to specify what bw each box gets. ( is it 1/42 of the pipe ? 1/nth where n is number of occupants ? the latter is somewhat unpleasantly comcastlike, imho . which is it ) 1779229;1517532159;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, evidently whosoever wants to buy fixed bw can ; whosoever does not want to so buy gets wat they get. 1779230;1517532172;asciilifeform;right. but gotta specify. currently it's a mystery 1779231;1517532190;mp_en_viaje;a good time to say "i want five plox" was you know, when we were specifying it ; but still perfectly available. 1779232;1517532194;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, what's a mystery ? 1779233;1517532228;asciilifeform;the concrete cost of e.g. 'i want to emplace 1U and get 500kB/s in/out' 1779234;1517532309;mp_en_viaje;don;'t be silly, the numbers are in the log. 1779235;1517532324;*;asciilifeform looks 1779236;1517532327;mp_en_viaje;we're paying iirc 900 for the rack, you want a unit it's 900/40*2 1779237;1517532350;mp_en_viaje;we're paying iirc 1400 for bw, 2G or wtf it was ; you want 100m guaranteed, 1400/20*2 1779238;1517532357;asciilifeform;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs << found. was for whole shebang yes 1779239;1517532374;mp_en_viaje;so you divide what you want out of the total, add the margin and have a fine idea. 1779240;1517532407;asciilifeform;iirc BingoBoingo's numbers in the above were pre-margin tho 1779241;1517532412;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo am i mistaken ? 1779242;1517532424;mp_en_viaje;you're just not linking an older discussion re margins. 1779243;1517532441;asciilifeform;canhaz link ? 1779244;1517532452;mp_en_viaje;recall, we were discussing the two ways to do this, either tack on or fixed percent. 1779245;1517532465;asciilifeform;right. but somehow failing to unearth, currently 1779246;1517532482;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727601 1779247;1517532482;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 05:23 mircea_popescu: after the first year your machines are amortized and your downline built, so you're looking at some decent net margin. before the first year you're burdened by the capital costs and stuck with low occupancy, so you bleed cash. 1779248;1517532553;asciilifeform;aa there it is. 1779249;1517532572;mp_en_viaje;scattered bits around that week too iirc. 1779250;1517532660;asciilifeform;hey BingoBoingo are you ready to birth formal quotes ? 1779251;1517532666;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779082 << a cool. can't do this from here, so will be weekendish. but the important details are missing, such as what software did you eventually pick to manage your cloud and so on. 1779252;1517532666;a111;Logged on 2018-02-01 14:20 BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu Qntra.net online at 161.0.121.253 pls to get the domain repointed, ISP statement incoming. 1779253;1517532680;mp_en_viaje;i hope we don 1779254;1517532699;mp_en_viaje;aren;t looking at a case where qntra is alone on a box ? qntra can't afford such luxuries by itself. 1779255;1517532865;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc the ip is temporary ? ( the proper block of ips not yet obtained ? ) 1779256;1517533153;mod6;<+mp_en_viaje> BingoBoingo, seriouasly, form the mental habit. pics and blog. << Hey all good as long as you don't take pics of the foundations boxen. 1779257;1517533166;mp_en_viaje;really ? 1779258;1517533174;asciilifeform;wainot , mod6 ? 1779259;1517533192;asciilifeform;don't be ashamed of the old microvax, lol 1779260;1517533196;asciilifeform;or whatever it is. 1779261;1517533198;mod6;I'm a private kinda guy. 1779262;1517533217;BingoBoingo;We have a /26 to fill in very.legit.manner and short order before LACNIC will assign a /24 because of scarcity. LACNIC's response to my first application: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xW6LS/?raw=true 1779263;1517533240;BingoBoingo;Needless to say I will be spinning up plenty of virtual boxen and testing cloud platforms 1779264;1517533259;asciilifeform;i dunget, why 'you are not operating', 'do not have an active connection with a provider' 1779265;1517533267;asciilifeform;you have both nao 1779266;1517533294;asciilifeform;or is this from before BingoBoingo got the keys to the cage 1779267;1517533306;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: From before I got the keys 1779268;1517533309;asciilifeform;aa 1779269;1517533314;mp_en_viaje;http://qntra.net/2018/02/online-again/#comment-109942 << awaiting moderation lelz. 1779270;1517533315;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: write'em again 1779271;1517533332;mp_en_viaje;mod6, aite. bbisp lives to please its cusomter. 1779272;1517533372;mp_en_viaje;but let's not let the praise fall by the wayside just because every successful step opens up so more further steps : nice bb! qntra back on huh! 1779273;1517533377;mp_en_viaje;YOU CAN DO ANYTHING! 1779274;1517533427;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, nothing wrong with giving it a little time ; his plan is sound, spin up some shit first. 1779275;1517533456;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They are getting wrote back after I fill ALL the ips. Hopefully this weekend 1779276;1517533462;*;mp_en_viaje is amused reborn qntra's first comment is from liek, bogota, columbia. history in the makings! 1779277;1517533468;BingoBoingo;Has to look very.legit.interwebz 1779278;1517533494;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2018/02/online-again/#comment-109942 << And it is approved! 1779279;1517533523;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779111 << word. 1779280;1517533523;a111;Logged on 2018-02-01 15:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: be sure to use trb with sync sanity, cuts sync time from 6+months to coupla weeks at worst 1779281;1517533665;BingoBoingo;I may end up buying a consumer tower box to throw in the cage for a photo session and burn more ips. 1779282;1517533756;mp_en_viaje;why nit. 1779283;1517533759;mp_en_viaje;not* 1779284;1517533768;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pogo!11 1779285;1517533803;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Prolly old beater tower. Fits in with the neighboring cages, and at the moment we have the space. 1779286;1517533804;asciilifeform;( this is not even entirely in jest: a considerable quantity of pogo could fit in a 2u vertical ) 1779287;1517533822;BingoBoingo;I though those were all jetisoned in argentina? 1779288;1517533876;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779163 << the theory is that very smooth, object files can be linked together directly. the testing of this theory is the most valuable part of trying it early. 1779289;1517533876;a111;Logged on 2018-02-01 21:24 phf: diana_coman: ty, i'll try wiring it in, and keep you posted. i assume ada<>c interop is pretty straightforward, though i won't have a chance to try until later next week. suddenly busy 1779290;1517533878;asciilifeform;last i knew , mp_en_viaje had the complete crate , i dun recall any mention of throwing out 1779291;1517533885;mp_en_viaje;i still have them 1779292;1517533899;mp_en_viaje;we also have a pile of them with danielpbarron iirc. 1779293;1517533908;asciilifeform;i even have a couplea left here 1779294;1517533922;*;BingoBoingo will search local ads for pogos and pogo likes. 1779295;1517533925;asciilifeform;incl. at least 1 with the serial port 1779296;1517534003;mp_en_viaje;what is the problem that is being approached anyway ? i thought the tower thing was mostly from a "see rack is sized so" / art instllation perspective 1779297;1517534036;asciilifeform;incidentally i also have a working example of the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1644 box, which so happens is 1u high and tops my current list of 'pogolike but still in production' 1779298;1517534062;*;BingoBoingo voy a dormir. All ideas for filling ipv4 space are appreciated. And no, Lacnic has already declared making a bunch of http sites each sitting on its own ip insufficient to declare space exhausted when http vhost can be done. 1779299;1517534089;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: there was a thread, while back, re physically-compact, low-wattage machines as a sane alternative to cloudism. can't seem to find it in log 1779300;1517534107;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, laters. 1779301;1517534112;asciilifeform;goodnight BingoBoingo 1779302;1517534159;BingoBoingo; mp_en_viaje: there was a thread, while back, re physically-compact, low-wattage machines as a sane alternative to cloudism. can't seem to find it in log << The 8 PCengines to 1U recipe would still be appreciated. Especially if someone can bake them and move them... ( danielpbarron?) 1779303;1517534169;mod6;BingoBoingo: gn! good job getting that stuff up and going. 1779304;1517534170;mp_en_viaje;anyway ; i am still waiting for my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777538 aswer 1779305;1517534170;a111;Logged on 2018-01-28 00:34 mircea_popescu: if i want 5 boxes, what do i do now ? 1779306;1517534176;mod6;I may yet reconsider on the pictures thing. 1779307;1517534191;mp_en_viaje;this is the priority nao, get the rack filled proper with actualy used and useful boxen, not bogged down with scar tissue 1779308;1517534214;mp_en_viaje;mod6, buncha girls did not get appreciably damaged from having numbers on their tits... 1779309;1517534234;mod6;tit not remotely exploitable. :D 1779310;1517534255;mp_en_viaje;if your box is remotely exploitable by photograph... 1779311;1517534274;mp_en_viaje;but be that as it may : emmylark is remotely exploited currently. evidently exploitABLE. 1779312;1517534286;BingoBoingo;tyvm for the well wishes, congratulations, and continuing instructions. 1779313;1517534336;mp_en_viaje;yeee. keep your cool, most common moment for things to be fucked up is upon first success. 1779314;1517534517;mp_en_viaje;and with this ill bl! 1779315;1517534586;mod6;<+mp_en_viaje> if your box is remotely exploitable by photograph... << Well, thinking it all the way through, I guess it's a bit over the top. My first, kneejerk reaction is "fuck that. no pics." But ya, that may be silly. 1779316;1517534617;mod6;It's non-critical infrastructure. And would probably help BBISP, more than it would hurt the foundation, even if exploited. 1779317;1517534667;asciilifeform;mod6: try as i might, i can't picture how a photo would help to exploit yer box ( aside from the 'tells enemy which rack to dynamite' aspect, but mp_en_viaje addressed that one earlier ) 1779318;1517534728;mod6;Thinking clever person & log reader could discern which box belongs to whom by process of elimiation. Then depending on make/models, could try to dig up exploits. 1779319;1517534741;asciilifeform;naively could say something like 'it's a dell 1950, and obummer will know to send the dell 1950 magicpacket' but consider, he will send all possible magicks anyway, because wainot 1779320;1517534771;mod6;aha. so thats why i came to "silly" conclusion. they'll just send 'em anyway so w/e. 1779321;1517534793;*;mod6 is paranoid! 1779322;1517534836;asciilifeform;picture yourself in enemy's position; when would you want to steal 1 box, but not e.g. 20 ? 1779323;1517534861;mod6;As enemy, I may want 'em all, but I'd take one if I could. 1779324;1517534945;asciilifeform;why would he limit to 1 ? what, it has to be carried out under his coat?? 1779325;1517534961;asciilifeform;if can steal 1, can just as readily cart away entire orchestra, neh 1779326;1517534962;mod6;wait, are you talking "physically steal a box" ? 1779327;1517534996;asciilifeform;aha. recall, there was at least 1 occasion of trilema server growing legs and walking away 1779328;1517535016;mod6;well, yeah, i didn't mean physically, i meant "remotely pwn" 1779329;1517535059;mod6;annnnyway, this is probably nonsense. carry on! 1779330;1517535083;asciilifeform;hey i was curious re whether the hypothetical can be made to make sense 1779331;1517535115;mod6;so, i've heard like nasty things about some of these boxes with like the lights out management thing, and whatever. 1779332;1517535132;asciilifeform;mod6: these are only a problem when plugged in 1779333;1517535145;asciilifeform;( on every box i know of , it's a separate jack ) 1779334;1517535166;asciilifeform;no particular reason why you'd leave this item plugged in, afaik 1779335;1517535170;mod6;yeah, I don't think ours will even have that anyway. BUT, the point stand that, I didn't build it; who knows what nasty pitfalls are in there. 1779336;1517535208;mod6;anyway, this is probably nonsense. 1779337;1517535241;asciilifeform;if it e.g. sends random page of ram as a coded dns packet every full moon, it will do this regardless of whether anyone photographed it, lol 1779338;1517535259;mod6;hahah, fair enough asciilifeform 1779339;1517535323;mod6;and besides, what if i AM embarssed about our packerd bell 1U boxes? 1779340;1517535374;mod6;(i don't really care, just sayin') 1779341;1517535404;asciilifeform;lol 1779342;1517535555;mod6;this may be an asinine thread i started here, but i'd rather be thinking this way - defensive, even if asinine, and then think/talk it out. 1779343;1517535609;mod6;im not sure if that was english. 1779344;1517535726;mod6;my first inclination is to cut down as many attack vectors as possible. real or imagined. the imaginary ones can be rooted out through a bit of thinking / conversation with intelligent folks. 1779345;1517535848;mod6;apologies for the disruption. carry on! 1779346;1517536186;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779288 << ftr there are two methods for this; depending on which lang the 'main' procedure was written in. see also https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn/Interfacing-to-C.html , has example of each. 1779347;1517536186;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 01:11 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779163 << the theory is that very smooth, object files can be linked together directly. the testing of this theory is the most valuable part of trying it early. 1779348;1517536414;asciilifeform;the 'main is in ada; some imports from c' variant is also illustrated in ffa, in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc/tree/ffa/ffacalc/cmdline.ads 1779349;1517536519;asciilifeform;and http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc/tree/ffa/ffacalc/os.ads 1779350;1517536559;asciilifeform;^ for reasons unknown to me, ada's standard character i/o routines mutilate newlines. so ffacalc imports the standard unixland ones. 1779351;1517537113;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686859 and elsewhere ) 1779352;1517537113;a111;Logged on 2017-07-19 19:00 asciilifeform: i have 'p' structured such that all it wants i/o-wise is a 'getbyte' and 'putbyte' that operator can replace with whatever 1779353;1517537247;asciilifeform;technically it wants ~three~ ttys, one for normal i/o, one for eggogs, one for rng 1779354;1517537278;asciilifeform;this is pertinent when on a microcontroller. 1779355;1517537535;asciilifeform;under linux, can do as follows for e.g. libc-less stdio speaking, 1779356;1517537631;asciilifeform;mov rdx, 1 ;; we want 1 char 1779357;1517537631;asciilifeform;xor rax, rax ;; 0 is SYS_READ 1779358;1517537631;asciilifeform;xor rdi, rdi ;; 0 is STDIN 1779359;1517537631;asciilifeform;mov rsi, Somewhere ;; where char will go 1779360;1517537632;asciilifeform;syscall 1779361;1517537659;asciilifeform;^ for input 1779362;1517537746;asciilifeform;mov rdx, 1 ;; we want 1 char 1779363;1517537746;asciilifeform;mov rax, 1 ;; 1 is SYS_WRITE 1779364;1517537746;asciilifeform;mov rdi, 1 ;; 1 is STDOUT 1779365;1517537746;asciilifeform;mov rsi, Somewhere ;; from where 1779366;1517537746;asciilifeform;syscall 1779367;1517537747;asciilifeform;^ for output 1779368;1517537765;asciilifeform;and that's the compleet story under amd64 , re stdio 1779369;1517537771;asciilifeform;but this is for later. 1779370;1517541076;trinque;!!v 41ACB83F3325B05A3DE4B2FAE305C8C3FA9C54980602581E7746AAE43E6DF95F 1779371;1517541076;deedbot;trinque updated rating of BingoBoingo from 1 to 3 << went on a long march and resurrected the Herald 1779372;1517541196;trinque;BingoBoingo: when do you anticipate having a final number for 1U of space, and when do you plan on beginning to rack customer machines? 1779373;1517541211;*;trinque also still curious about local iron procurement, if any 1779374;1517541225;trinque;I would rather see a sampling of potential machines than to guess at what might be available. 1779375;1517541280;*;trinque has services that can get by on a pretty humble machine, static HTML and IRC bots 1779376;1517543039;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779327 << not to mention what's probable TWO occasions of phuctor disks. 1779377;1517543039;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 01:29 asciilifeform: aha. recall, there was at least 1 occasion of trilema server growing legs and walking away 1779378;1517543466;mp_en_viaje;aaand in other "keeping the toilet seat up" domestic arguments, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e538aadd26355d0ade5c9cb9088e80d0/tumblr_oj309lRovF1uzx8ido1_400.gif 1779379;1517579235;asciilifeform;in other entomological curios, https://golang.org/src/math/big/nat.go << a popular heathen bignumtron. replete with branches-on-secret, pointerolade, various liquishit 1779380;1517581192;ave1;asciilifeform, I'm reading trough chapter 2 and I've tried to get inlining to work, but so far have failed, nothing gets inlined outside of the defining module! 1779381;1517581268;ave1;also, The "Inline_Always" pragma's seem to in the wrong part of the code (but does not help moving" 1779382;1517581602;ave1;i.e. when running with "-gnatwa", I get " warning: pragma appears too late, ignored" 1779383;1517581627;ave1;o wait, that is only in combination with "-gnatN", so ignore the Inline_Always comment 1779384;1517581936;asciilifeform;ave1: where didja get gnatN 1779385;1517581938;asciilifeform;and why 1779386;1517581955;asciilifeform;ave1: and on which gnat are you ? 1779387;1517581999;asciilifeform;i'm not a telepath, but somehow nobody thinks to preface their observations with 'i was using gnat xxxxx, which i got from...' 1779388;1517582109;ave1;adacore 2016 1779389;1517582125;ave1;as for the switch, in old docu it is here: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.2/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gcc.html#ndex-g_t_0040option_007b_002dgnatm_007d-_0028_0040command_007bgcc_007d_0029-125 1779390;1517582147;asciilifeform;why the fuck did you USE this flag tho 1779391;1517582151;asciilifeform;it suppressed inlining 1779392;1517582175;asciilifeform;do i misunderstand what ave1's complaint is ? 1779393;1517582180;ave1;but also adacore docs i see: http://sandbox.mc.edu/~bennet/ada/gnat_ug/gnat_ug_4.html#SEC46 1779394;1517582205;asciilifeform;consider answering the question, ave1 ? 1779395;1517582219;asciilifeform;why. did. you. use. this. flag. 1779396;1517582260;ave1;I was debugging the code and saw that the functions where not inlined "FZ_Clear", "FZ_*" etc. 1779397;1517582275;ave1;So, I started to try commandline options 1779398;1517582286;asciilifeform;ave1: tell me how you determined that they were not inlined 1779399;1517582299;asciilifeform;lemme guess, you disasmed the bin and saw them as functions ? 1779400;1517582304;ave1;yep 1779401;1517582309;asciilifeform;this is a known bug in 2016, and is a red herring, they still get inlined 1779402;1517582312;asciilifeform;AND included as functions 1779403;1517582332;asciilifeform;you can trivially verify the latter by commenting out the Inline param and observing 5-20x speed differential 1779404;1517582348;*;asciilifeform brb, teatime 1779405;1517582353;ave1;Ok I will check further into the code, bbl 1779406;1517582375;ave1;strange that in disasm I see call , but will try more! 1779407;1517583023;mod6;mornin' 1779408;1517583886;asciilifeform;ave1: you see this for all of the invocations ? and 0 speed diff when removing ( not -gnatN, but remove, with sed ) ~all~ of the inline directives ? 1779409;1517583916;asciilifeform;ave1: and plz post the output of gnat -v . 1779410;1517585154;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1779411;1517585165;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8645.0, vol: 48371.39034759 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8715.0, vol: 132537.62411117 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8648.0, vol: 21943.4396069 | Volume-weighted last average: 8691.06039424 1779412;1517585271;BingoBoingo; mod6: try as i might, i can't picture how a photo would help to exploit yer box ( aside from the 'tells enemy which rack to dynamite' aspect, but mp_en_viaje addressed that one earlier ) << Ah, datacenter fellow expressed some bemused curiosity about the unbranded Qntra machine. Apparently everything else is plastered in brand names because latino rather than assembled into generic steel chicom chassis 1779413;1517585499;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: when do you anticipate having a final number for 1U of space, and when do you plan on beginning to rack customer machines? << I am putting out solicitations for hardware again to the local shops today. Will squeeze in a pricing post today for the Republic's consideration. 1779414;1517585616;BingoBoingo;A lot of the locally availabe refurb stuff is fat guys like http://www.okcomputers-uy.com/productos/productos_masinfo.php?id=4382&secc=productos&path=0.42.108 1779415;1517585672;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where is the price on that page ? 1779416;1517585699;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Gotta inquire because the shops dun know how to web right 1779417;1517585700;asciilifeform;or lol, 'es necesario registrarse' 1779418;1517585707;asciilifeform;fuck'em 1779419;1517585845;BingoBoingo;Still, they get an email along the lines of "I am scaling up my business here in Uruguay and need a bunch of 1U server boxes. What can you get as whole computers or empty cases? 1779420;1517585872;asciilifeform;incidentally, BingoBoingo , have you visited local scrapyard yet ? 1779421;1517585881;asciilifeform;i suspect that it has better boxes than the one linked above 1779422;1517585898;asciilifeform;( and at any rate oughta have empty cases.. ) 1779423;1517585951;BingoBoingo;Still haven't found it. Most of the local scrapping industry tends to center around hawking junk finds at la Feria Tristan Narvaja on Sundays. 1779424;1517585958;asciilifeform;it is also possible that this is one of those orcistans where there is not such a thing as a scrapyard, errything gets picked up by scavengers and reused same day 1779425;1517585960;*;asciilifeform has nfi 1779426;1517586156;BingoBoingo;Beating the garbage truck to the dumpster seems to be a substantial activity here. 1779427;1517586433;trinque;eh the no-prices thing is an orc haggling thing 1779428;1517586454;asciilifeform;'how many zeroes can we glue on' 1779429;1517586475;trinque;well, it's why I always beat vendors with either other vendor quotes or other quotes from same vendor 1779430;1517586548;asciilifeform;and imho selling 10+ yr old server, prolly complete with fan dust cake, for 'you must ask for quote!' takes some cheek. 1779431;1517586554;BingoBoingo;trinque: Other suppliers list prices, but everyone gets a solicitation. 1779432;1517586559;BingoBoingo;In other finds https://unix4lyfe.org/darkhttpd/ 1779433;1517586604;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that's more or less exactly what i was looking for, ty. not to use, of course, but to adaize. 1779434;1517586634;*;trinque waits patiently for a gossipd atop which to redo hypertext 1779435;1517586660;mod6;werd 1779436;1517586679;asciilifeform;even in this one, i can already see obvious candidates for snippycutters 1779437;1517586684;asciilifeform;e.g. directory listing 1779438;1517586739;asciilifeform;ipv6ism 1779439;1517586746;asciilifeform;the use of linked lists (wai??) 1779440;1517586753;asciilifeform;mallocism. 1779441;1517586761;asciilifeform;'keep-alive' 1779442;1517586789;asciilifeform;HEAD requests 1779443;1517586848;asciilifeform;prolly also other things. 1779444;1517586855;trinque;^ how are you going to know whether item over there changed without HEAD 1779445;1517586865;asciilifeform;trinque: by loading it. 1779446;1517586885;trinque;that'll make mirroring impossible 1779447;1517586896;asciilifeform;i've never written proggy that issues 'HEAD' 1779448;1517586900;asciilifeform;and don't intend to 1779449;1517586910;asciilifeform;mirroring is to be done the sane way, by fucking loading the file. 1779450;1517586920;trinque;think for a moment eh? 1779451;1517586930;trinque;I have the gentoo distfiles on http 1779452;1517586942;trinque;you're going to what, download the whole hundreds of gb every time you sync? 1779453;1517586943;asciilifeform;if you want to know that file has changed, you update a manifest, and other side fetches that. 1779454;1517586955;trinque;"inbandism" !!11!! 1779455;1517586965;asciilifeform;the http protocol is not the place for manifests. 1779456;1517586978;asciilifeform;trinque: what do we have here that issues HEAD ? 1779457;1517586983;asciilifeform;deedbot's rss doesn't 1779458;1517586986;trinque;that is not an argument 1779459;1517586989;asciilifeform;no srsly 1779460;1517586993;trinque;fucking wget 1779461;1517586994;asciilifeform;we don't use it ? it dies. that simple 1779462;1517587001;trinque;complete nonsense. 1779463;1517587028;asciilifeform;decade+ of reading http log of my www daily, and ~nobody outside of spamchina issues HEAD. ever. 1779464;1517587143;asciilifeform;ditto OPTIONS and other liquishit. 1779465;1517587187;trinque;I will not use an item that can't give me metadata for a given path without loading the potentially gigantic item itself 1779466;1517587206;asciilifeform;aaaand this is how stateolade gets into 'stateless' protocol 1779467;1517587213;asciilifeform;and http servers end up 50MB of ???. 1779468;1517587238;trinque;should the fs require you read() whole file to know file metadata? 1779469;1517587258;trinque;and furthermore the idea that providing just the headers, which already exists as a codepath, and then bailing, adds mb, is idiotic 1779470;1517587325;asciilifeform;my copy of wget doesn't seem to use HEAD for this, tho. it puts out a GET and simply aborts if you ctrl-c 1779471;1517587334;asciilifeform;so you can learn a file size with ordinary GET 1779472;1517587337;asciilifeform;without loading whole thing 1779473;1517587358;trinque;bahaha, yes, you can time your control-c *just so* that you get only headers 1779474;1517587361;trinque;this is not a serious conversation 1779475;1517587381;asciilifeform;well naturally you wouldn't ctrl-c with hands, but break yer connection after you got what you want, i.e. the header 1779476;1517587390;asciilifeform;i dun see why this requires a 'send ONLY the header' special knob to exist. 1779477;1517587392;trinque;--no-if-modified-since uses HEAD, probably others 1779478;1517587418;asciilifeform;trinque: does rsync rely on HEAD ? 1779479;1517587435;asciilifeform;i'm trying to find something that does 1779480;1517587470;asciilifeform;something that i actually keep around 1779481;1517587522;asciilifeform;what other http knobs are there that, despite that neither i nor deedbot nor anything any of us have made , ever use, but somehow essential ?? 1779482;1517587611;trinque;lets say you use your "magic file" for mirroring, manifest, then what when the manifest is very large? 1779483;1517587636;asciilifeform;then it oughta be in sections, and the sections in small manifest. merkle-style. 1779484;1517587638;asciilifeform;this is elementary. 1779485;1517587666;trinque;there is no magic amount of space on the receiving end that will always be there! 1779486;1517587685;asciilifeform;there gotta be to hold the http header already. 1779487;1517587695;asciilifeform;all protocols require some minimal space to work in. 1779488;1517587711;asciilifeform;'sorry i only have 1 bit of storage', picture this. 1779489;1517587723;asciilifeform;'telegraph office is three doors down' 1779490;1517587811;asciilifeform;having to ask the 'did it change' question per-file, is terrifyingly bad design 1779491;1517587824;trinque;"do I already have the item at $path" and "how big is the item at $path" are interesting questions without the server beginning to transmit the item itself. 1779492;1517587825;asciilifeform;and example of just the kind of thing that makes http's designers subhuman 1779493;1517587854;trinque;I'm not here to defend HTTP, you are, by trying to fix it 1779494;1517587865;asciilifeform;i'd like to shoot it behind the shed already. 1779495;1517587870;trinque;if you make something sufficiently incompatible with HTTP as is, get rid of it, why fix 1779496;1517587883;trinque;I'm just telling you tools will want things you're muntzing, so why bother trying to fix 1779497;1517587903;asciilifeform;q is, how much can be removed from http and still result in e.g. proper display on typical heathen browser, wget-able tarballs, etc 1779498;1517587908;trinque;however if your replacement can't cough up arbitrary answers *about* items it serves, I wont use it 1779499;1517587937;asciilifeform;trinque: i dun have a replacement, can relax for nao. but would like to know which of the knobs actually do something useful. 1779500;1517587977;asciilifeform;trinque himself had iirc a good argument for removal of PUT and POST 1779501;1517587993;asciilifeform;( granted this is a bigger bite to swallow ... ) 1779502;1517588034;*;trinque spent enough in the mines *not* to want to fix http 1779503;1517588051;asciilifeform;there's 2 kinds of 'fix' 1779504;1517588072;trinque;to host mp-wp for instance, gonna have to either implement fcgi, cgi, or http proxy back to other http server 1779505;1517588073;asciilifeform;1 , the subhuman simian kind, where duct tape is added. other -- when screaming living flesh is removed, as necessary. 1779506;1517588089;BingoBoingo;AND we may have a winner http://www.palser.com/ 1779507;1517588115;trinque;ohey, servidores 1779508;1517588124;asciilifeform;trinque: that's exactly the kind of thing i wouldn't do. my hypothetical http serv would be strictly for fully adatronic app. like hunchentoot in cl world. 1779509;1517588138;asciilifeform;you don't miss cgi in hunchentoot. 1779510;1517588156;BingoBoingo;And routers, and not jungle cargo cult "Why would you want a network that isn't WiFi?" inventory selection 1779511;1517588181;asciilifeform;170 usd for a 20usd label printer, notbad 1779512;1517588184;trinque;in a library http server, one wouldn't implement "HEAD" anyway, would just pass the headers as a structure to w/e handling function, which shits what it likes 1779513;1517588188;asciilifeform;2k for laser printer 1779514;1517588195;asciilifeform;is this thing connected through a timewarp into 1990s ? 1779515;1517588206;trinque;can put "FART" in the method header now, if you like 1779516;1517588210;asciilifeform;or is this what it all ends up costing after the extortionate tax..? 1779517;1517588235;asciilifeform;trinque: depends what sorta library neh 1779518;1517588261;asciilifeform;i want to write proggy with zero httpism baked in. is whole point of a library. 1779519;1517588277;asciilifeform;just like you don't want to write fs code that knows what inodes are 1779520;1517588284;asciilifeform;likewise i do not ever want to see FARTs. 1779521;1517588486;asciilifeform;recall malleus ? 1779522;1517588586;asciilifeform;the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die. 1779523;1517588591;asciilifeform;!#s postel 1779524;1517588592;a111;29 results for "postel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=postel 1779525;1517588604;mod6;nothing for allcomers 1779526;1517588608;trinque;yeah, well, that isn't stateless is it 1779527;1517588617;asciilifeform;mod6: not, sadly, practical with tcp at all 1779528;1517588628;asciilifeform;tcp gives every allcomer a quite-expensive 'something' 1779529;1517588632;trinque;anyhow, I will not begrudge a muntzed http server 1779530;1517588651;trinque;it's just gonna be a sad experience, since it has to be a wartime compromise 1779531;1517588665;asciilifeform;trinque: pretty much anything on the existing iron is wartime compromise. 1779532;1517588671;asciilifeform;unfortunately. 1779533;1517588743;*;trinque tries to remember if chunked transfer encoding is both ways with http, or only a response thing 1779534;1517588747;asciilifeform;i'd even be satisfied with something exactly like BingoBoingo's link httpd but minus the nulltermed pointeristic string warcrime. (i.e. direct adaization) 1779535;1517588881;trinque;BingoBoingo: looking like it'd be way cheaper to ship 1779536;1517588894;trinque;these are moon prices 1779537;1517588895;asciilifeform;supposing the shipments get through -- yes 1779538;1517588915;asciilifeform;^ 1779539;1517588982;asciilifeform;these prices make asciilifeform+suitcase+airplane for ~every box indididually~ look cost-effective. 1779540;1517588997;asciilifeform;*individually 1779541;1517589012;trinque;...surely this datacenter has servers in it? that someone bought? 1779542;1517589023;trinque;BingoBoingo: any recommendations from the DC themselves? 1779543;1517589070;BingoBoingo; or is this what it all ends up costing after the extortionate tax..? << The +IVA means the price is before the tax. Gets hit with a duty when it hits the border, shipping here doesn't seem to have a trivial cost, and something like the label printer there just might not be anyone else selling. But $495 for a $300 in the US ubiquity Edgerouter Pro isn't too bad http://www.palser.com/productos/productos_masinfo.php?id=17661 1779544;1517589072;BingoBoingo;2&secc=productos&id_color_inic=&path=0.2309.2392 1779545;1517589101;BingoBoingo;trinque: They appear to be banging their heads talking directly to supermicro 1779546;1517589117;*;trinque ftr does not have $5k server dealwithit money 1779547;1517589156;asciilifeform;don't forget, 5k ~pentium4~ 1779548;1517589161;trinque;BingoBoingo: what's "appear"? how did other people put boxes in their racks? 1779549;1517589277;BingoBoingo;Well, other racks seem to have a lot of towers. My suspicion on the rack mount equipment is the ever popular trip to Miami route. 1779550;1517589302;asciilifeform;holyfuq, konsoomer towers in racks in dc 1779551;1517589318;BingoBoingo;http://www.palser.com/productos/productos_masinfo.php?id=177211&secc=productos&id_color_inic=&path=0.2296.2351 << 1706 1779552;1517589343;asciilifeform;1disk lol 1779553;1517589348;BingoBoingo; holyfuq, konsoomer towers in racks in dc << Cargo cult 1779554;1517589416;asciilifeform;for comparison, 24core opteron with 256G ram , with 4 ssd disks ( 1TB total , 750 after raid ) , and with the raid card, costs me still < 1700. 1779555;1517589499;BingoBoingo;http://www.palser.com/productos/productos.php?secc=productos&path=0.2292.2424 1779556;1517589519;asciilifeform;( granted , i make'em out of a mix of new and used components, like mp makes his bmw fleet . but even so. ) 1779557;1517589527;TomServo;There appears to be "- 36 MONTHS PROSUPPORT AND NBO ON-SITE SERVICE" included in the price, which - shouldn't be required, right? 1779558;1517589539;asciilifeform;TomServo: picture trying to ~get~ this support. 1779559;1517589545;TomServo;I would rather not. 1779560;1517589546;asciilifeform;'support' is a joke. 1779561;1517589553;BingoBoingo;TomServo: This is why I am emailing. See if I can get that shit knocked off 1779562;1517589564;BingoBoingo;And to see if they can get Opteron shit 1779563;1517589603;asciilifeform;also BingoBoingo wtf, they don't sell samsung -- i.e. the only ssd worth using 1779564;1517589613;asciilifeform;srsly yer gonna put intel ssd in a box ? 1779565;1517589622;asciilifeform;or the used-condom quality sandisk ? 1779566;1517589656;phf;i suspect local orcs have alternative paths for procurement, was sop in russia in the 90s. you could go to "official dealer" type place and pay 10x, or you would haggle for price at Gorbushka, bazar style 1779567;1517589657;asciilifeform;( and lol they do have ~1~ samsung in the catalogue : a 128GB msata ! ) 1779568;1517589673;BingoBoingo;https://computacion.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd-evo-850 1779569;1517589681;asciilifeform;phf: i strongly suspect that nobody but gringo rubes ever order from these Official catalogues, or pay ANY vat, EVER 1779570;1517589708;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that loox moar like it. can these be had ? 1779571;1517589713;phf;that would be congruent with the russian practice 1779572;1517589715;asciilifeform;or are these 'pre importation price' 1779573;1517589939;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779442 << have you looked at gopher? 1779574;1517589939;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:53 asciilifeform: HEAD requests 1779575;1517589950;asciilifeform;pretty sure we had a gopher thread 1779576;1517589953;asciilifeform;!#s gopher 1779577;1517589953;a111;38 results for "gopher", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gopher 1779578;1517589986;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 << apparently 1779579;1517589986;a111;Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same 1779580;1517589988;phf;last time it was brought up was probably due to me, since i was looking into hipster gopher revival that's going on (was going on?) 1779581;1517589993;phf;aha 1779582;1517590012;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505197 << and prior 1779583;1517590012;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 19:49 asciilifeform: anyone ever tempted to revive gopher ? 1779584;1517590100;phf;i mean, i can see the argument for "no head", but it's one of those cases where "if we don't have head, we'll have to invent it", with e.g. manifests, or cgi scripts that you can use to query for changes, etc. but why not let resource answer things about itself as part of protocol rather than everyone for themselves? 1779585;1517590156;asciilifeform;phf: imho 'what, if anything changed' is a q that oughta be answered by a mechanism that can do it, when (as often is) wanted for the ~entire site~ compactly 1779586;1517590162;phf;fwiw http protocol is built around verbs on resources, cutting head is going to remove the specific mechanism you're dispatching to, but not the dispatch mechanism itself (that you still need for e.g. POST) 1779587;1517590163;asciilifeform;rather than per-file 1779588;1517590186;trinque;yeah, arguable there's a saner way to get metadata, harder to argue getting metadata by itself isn't useful 1779589;1517590187;phf;"what if anything changed" is not the only question that head answers 1779590;1517590209;asciilifeform;phf: what else..? 1779591;1517590252;phf;head specifically answers ctime of file, size of file and any additional stuff that server might deem useful to provide in form of (likewise protocol essential rfc headers) 1779592;1517590292;asciilifeform;the first two, get answered if i GET-and-immediately-abort . nao let's have an example of the last ? 1779593;1517590293;phf;in general though, as is obvious from name, head return same headers that get would return, but without the content 1779594;1517590304;asciilifeform;right 1779595;1517590360;asciilifeform;imho having HEAD is like calling a radio station and asking them to turn their volume down 1779596;1517590371;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: that loox moar like it. can these be had ? << It is a sorts local Amazon/Craigslist combination. Stuff there appears attainable. 1779597;1517590372;asciilifeform;can achieve exactly same effect locally. 1779598;1517590416;phf;"please be ready to send me this 1tb file, just kidding i only want 50b of headers" 1779599;1517590430;BingoBoingo;So there is a vendor to vendor element of buyer beware. 1779600;1517590449;asciilifeform;phf: exactly so 1779601;1517590467;asciilifeform;phf: incidentally, why can't you achieve same effect as HEAD by using the 'chunked' feature of GET ? 1779602;1517590493;phf;are you selectively picking your heathenisms? 1779603;1517590507;asciilifeform;trying to determine ~which~ heathenisms actually need 1779604;1517590514;asciilifeform;possibly 1, or other, or neither 1779605;1517590582;phf;that's fair, you could do GET with a range of 0 bytes at 0 offset 1779606;1517590602;asciilifeform;re HEAD, i began with the observation that 10+ yrs of reading UNPROCESSED www logs of my site, shows that HEAD is issued by no human browser ever, and in fact comes solely from obvious (in other ways) malware wormprobes 1779607;1517590645;asciilifeform;phf: and yes 1779608;1517590697;phf;well, that's like saying that the mass of reditards don't follow specs so nor should we 1779609;1517590755;asciilifeform;every knob in every spec that adds complexity, should have to defend itself, rather than be accepted 'because every walker is preshus' 1779610;1517590764;trinque;the range idea is the sort of reductive compromise that's both a fine thing in reducing complexity and completely incorrect if designing from scratch 1779611;1517590775;trinque;if you tell me offset 0 range 0 I should ignore you entirely 1779612;1517590788;asciilifeform;why not e.g. range 1024 ? 1779613;1517590794;asciilifeform;or however much you ~actually~ want 1779614;1517590800;phf;none? 1779615;1517590804;trinque;if it did that, yes, but you don't have a fixed headers length in http 1779616;1517590805;asciilifeform;then why not 0 ? 1779617;1517590813;asciilifeform;what am i missing 1779618;1517590831;phf;i thought you're answering trinque's point 1779619;1517590884;asciilifeform;trinque: i don't dispute that http is trisomy victim. q is, can the brute be properly lobotomized and harnessed and do useful work with minimal overseering expense . 1779620;1517590924;trinque;my statement was that yes ^ and also for the logs "you wouldn't design something where $giveMeNoneOfIt implicitly means a metadata fetch" 1779621;1517590950;asciilifeform;trinque: it cannot be helped ( while retaining the basic compat ) that they made '0 means anal' 1779622;1517590961;trinque;lol, aha 1779623;1517590980;asciilifeform;q is , what can be helped. 1779624;1517591020;asciilifeform;i dun even propose to kill HEAD because it is complicated to implement -- it isn't, as i understand. but because 'nobody but pinoys ever seemed to issue a HEAD at asciilifeform's www, in decade+' 1779625;1517591044;asciilifeform;why should there be a knob for pinoys ? 1779626;1517591089;phf;so i've used HEAD before, but not in a batch process. i use it frequently for two purposes, one is to verify that the request goes through and server is prepared to send me data. the other is to request file metadata before i start pulling it, i have a curl alias for that. 1779627;1517591119;asciilifeform;phf: out of curiosity, why not 'get with 0' ? 1779628;1517591128;asciilifeform;it would seem that it can do both of these 1779629;1517591182;phf;because not every server supports ranged requests 1779630;1517591195;phf;and some have them explicitly disabled 1779631;1517591195;asciilifeform;but every server has HEAD ?? 1779632;1517591198;phf;yes. 1779633;1517591203;asciilifeform;now that's fuckedup 1779634;1517591212;asciilifeform;maliciously idiotic design. 1779635;1517591234;asciilifeform;who has a server like this ? why do you talk to them ? 1779636;1517591250;phf;oh get the fuck out of here 1779637;1517591254;asciilifeform;no srsly 1779638;1517591256;asciilifeform;can haz names ? 1779639;1517591277;asciilifeform;do you talk to ebcdic boxes also ? 1779640;1517591277;phf;no you can't, i'm not on trial here to do discovery for you 1779641;1517591293;asciilifeform;well i thought we were having an argument, with facts... 1779642;1517591294;phf;i'm talking from personal experience and in good faith 1779643;1517591320;asciilifeform;why not give example. e.g. 'i crawl www and google doesn't support ranged GET' 1779644;1517591331;*;trinque offering use of HEAD to minimize churn on distfile server from teh same place 1779645;1517591412;asciilifeform;trinque: that's reasonable. but imho really oughta be done with sane manifests. 1779646;1517591419;phf;asciilifeform: because i don't remember specific names. the experience is not uncommon, because "interrupted download, let me try restarting from the middle" fails more frequently than not 1779647;1517591435;asciilifeform;( and yes i get it, for existing www, it's the only working knob, aside from get-with-0 ) 1779648;1517591447;trinque;even manifest doesn't need to churn that much, but can sure. 1779649;1517591463;asciilifeform;phf: in my experience in past decade, ~everybody supports resumed-downloads 1779650;1517591467;asciilifeform;even microshit seems to 1779651;1517591485;asciilifeform;so i suppose we have different personalexperiencesingoodfaith 1779652;1517591531;trinque;lets say for a moment we're designing the http-dht-tron. I have a hash, do not have the item. 1779653;1517591534;asciilifeform;trinque: sane manifest would be when you can, e.g., fetch 512bits of merkleroot hash and know that nothing in the whole box changed since last time 1779654;1517591540;mod6;asciilifeform: 'sane manifest' =~ <+asciilifeform> then it oughta be in sections, and the sections in small manifest. merkle-style. ? 1779655;1517591546;asciilifeform;mod6: aha 1779656;1517591551;trinque;I ask you whether you have the hash. Is this the same request as "give me $hash"? 1779657;1517591560;trinque;maybe I don't want it; I want to tell my friend I know somebody who has 1779658;1517591571;asciilifeform;and say you see that the 512b hash ~did~ change. then you ask for 'hash of left half , hash of right half' of tree. see which changed. etc. ~= binarysearch. 1779659;1517591588;asciilifeform;trinque: yer thinking of moar along the lines of dht, as i understand, rather than www-style server 1779660;1517591618;asciilifeform;( which is great, but imho other thread.. ) 1779661;1517591712;trinque;sure, but this is the most general piece of information you get out of HEAD, the status code response 1779662;1517591758;asciilifeform;i will admit to being at a loss what 'http dht' might mean. 1779663;1517591759;trinque;and they did this badly, verbs being nonsensical "programming in plain english" 1779664;1517591766;phf;asciilifeform: one data point is that in e.g. nginx max_ranges is a parameter, which can be explicitly set to 0 to disable ranges, and if you search for it you get "how do i disable ranges" q's presumably by people configuring web servers. you don't have an equivalent for HEAD. likewise HEAD is part of the original spec, where's ranges is a later addition. it stands to reason that the number of times range fails would be non 0 even with "modern" setups 1779665;1517591794;asciilifeform;phf: i believe it. and even believe that phf saw it. was curious where , exactly, is all. 1779666;1517591909;asciilifeform;and recall, we (hypothetically) are making a ~server~, not a client. so i'm looking for argument like 'if we lose HEAD, there is then NO sane way to do xyzpqr , where xyzpqr are Important and Useful Things' 1779667;1517591961;asciilifeform;the right hand of this syllogism has in turn two clauses, 'NO sane way' and 'xyzpqr are Important' 1779668;1517592048;asciilifeform;and it also has to be 'then WE would lose', because if it's 'heathen derps will lose', than guess how many fucks i give. 1779669;1517592143;trinque;if talking about denoting "get headers only" a different way, it's hard to say that loses anything. 1779670;1517592157;trinque;if can't get 'em by themselves at all, another question 1779671;1517592281;phf;these are silly criteria for protocol ~design~, because the absolute "if we don't have it we'll die" wartime mentality lets you make infinite circles in a turing complete situations. ascii wants the buck to stop at range, i want to stop it at head, it's an arbitrary decision 1779672;1517592319;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2018/02/02/fightforbeauty-dont-slack/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - #fightforbeauty, dont #slack 1779673;1517592359;trinque;sure, I don't think there's a republican http any more than there's a republican linux 1779674;1517592373;phf;we can reduce everything to just get requests (cut the headers, too, except for Content-Length), where ranges are done by "/downloads?file=...&start=...&end" 1779675;1517592383;trinque;the various attempts at "cuntoo" have sputtered for precisely that reason, buckstoppoints are arbitrary in hell 1779676;1517592456;phf;content-type is a meaningless header, since that's up to client to decide anyway (and it's frequently misconfigured), all the other headers are straight up metadata fluff. 1779677;1517593199;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/02/the-hunt-for-handware/ << Bingo Blog - The Hunt For Handware 1779678;1517593216;BingoBoingo;^ Two photos, the opening up begins! 1779679;1517593274;BingoBoingo;Not of the cage yet (hopefully acquire a box to take there Monday), just of my berth and my person. 1779680;1517593430;asciilifeform;oh hey neato. 1779681;1517593446;asciilifeform;ftr i imagined BingoBoingo exactly like-so (possibly with slightly longer beard) 1779682;1517593449;mod6;looks like nice weather BB 1779683;1517593595;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The beard was longer before the trendy Latino haircut. Then I had to take it down to match. 1779684;1517593601;asciilifeform;aa 1779685;1517593610;BingoBoingo;mod6: It is indeed. Just gotta remember sunscreen here. 1779686;1517593656;asciilifeform;odd, given as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736923 1779687;1517593656;a111;Logged on 2017-11-12 23:47 asciilifeform recalls c3 and ~week spent in the sun, and 0 burn 1779688;1517593668;asciilifeform;( and it was, what, 100km from where BingoBoingo is ? ) 1779689;1517593674;BingoBoingo;Hence the chosen angle of the face. My nose is a solar concentrator. 1779690;1517593701;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sounds about right. Maybe 150 km. 1779691;1517593736;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's skin normally has same exposure timing as daguerre's photoplate. 20min and it's cooked 1779692;1517593741;asciilifeform;but that's at usa latitude 1779693;1517593761;asciilifeform;in buenos aires, oddlyenuff, could walk all day in the sun, 0 creams, no hat, 0 burn. 1779694;1517593777;asciilifeform;to this day i have nfi why. 1779695;1517593817;BingoBoingo;Burn's not quite the right word for my experience with it. More like a slow cooking. But some of the Brasileros even get sunburn. Especially as they head further out east to Rocha. One brasilero came back this week from there with profound sunburn. 1779696;1517593853;BingoBoingo;I suspect it could be the air quality here. Very little air polution, especially of the particulate variety. 1779697;1517593883;BingoBoingo;And there tends to be very little cloudcover in the afternoons here. 1779698;1517593884;asciilifeform;gotta be it 1779699;1517594306;BingoBoingo;And for a closer view from my early eyes here, the tower we are concerned with is the fellow to the left in this first picture. The steel and glass fellows in the center are towers 1-3 in no particular order and the brick guy to the right is the southwest corner of Montevideo Shopping. 1779700;1517594351;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/07/the-midwestern-rube-visits-la-rambla/ 1779701;1517594361;BingoBoingo;^Ah, the link 1779702;1517594421;BingoBoingo;Second photo looking is looking in the opposite direction from the same spot. That tower is the WTC FreeZone where you gotta pay a user fee to get in. May the ISP grow big enough to escape VAT thusly. 1779703;1517594455;asciilifeform;what's that cost ? 1779704;1517594577;BingoBoingo;I will have to dig that up, but it is not trivial and requires having a foreign corporation in the loop somewhere. Perhaps someone with a corp that is offshore to Uruguay can inquire? Depends on the revenue reported and a whole bunch of other miscellanea. 1779705;1517594606;BingoBoingo;But they are expanding the border wall separating the Free Zone from Uruguay in order to build a second tower there. 1779706;1517594643;BingoBoingo;Third picture with the sad lawn is where they are prepping to build a generic WTC tower 5 1779707;1517594871;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: foreign corp is ready. 1779708;1517594920;asciilifeform;but we can come back to this laters. 1779709;1517595168;BingoBoingo;Right now priority is moar boxes 1779710;1517595664;QntBtt;http://qntra.net/2018/02/us-intel-committee-releases-memo-damning-fbi-full-text/ 1779711;1517596038;asciilifeform;in other experiments, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767440 appears to hold true across all ffa chapters. 1779712;1517596038;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 01:15 asciilifeform: in other experimental noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766135 >> -gnatp ( max danger moad ) is ~2x measured speedup. 1779713;1517599865;asciilifeform;oh heyheyhey lbj 1779714;1517600368;mircea_popescu;hey there. 1779715;1517600462;asciilifeform;nomoar viaje ? 1779716;1517600464;trinque;wb 1779717;1517600484;mircea_popescu;done for now. item worked quite well for the purpose, huh. 1779718;1517601015;*;mircea_popescu looked out of curiosity. in the intervening ~week, trikema spam thingee canned 836 comments, has doubts about 11 and disconnected outright before "put in comment" phase about 1/4 mn attempts. 1779719;1517601029;asciilifeform;pretty nifty. 1779720;1517601031;mircea_popescu;really clicking "spam" a dozen times is not much of a hassle here. 1779721;1517601073;mircea_popescu;in other "i'm back here let's check things", teh fetlife bot has been going unmolested for the interval. it must suck to work for these website-business-technologies. 1779722;1517601091;asciilifeform;how often it gets molested ( and what does this consist of ) ? 1779723;1517601166;mircea_popescu;you'll have to tell me what it consists of ? what are you asking ? 1779724;1517601192;asciilifeform;'was unmolested for the interval' suggests that at one time or another it had been molested 1779725;1517601202;mircea_popescu;oh the bot. it got iced once for one week in the intervening... i dun even recall, quarter or two 1779726;1517601225;asciilifeform;ip ban whackamole ? 1779727;1517601233;mircea_popescu;no, you won't believe this shit : 1779728;1517601274;mircea_popescu;part of the extensive package of verbal spin and idle posturing post mp-raped-us 2015 festival, they introduced a "your cat may have walked on your keyboard and you can not log into your account for one week now, you know, for security" item. 1779729;1517601296;mircea_popescu;i expect they hit their genuine lusers with it about 99x more frequently, but that's just a hunch. 1779730;1517601331;asciilifeform;this afaik is new. ( 'slowbanning' was a thing in redditland, but iirc nobody had outright 'timeout' ban ) 1779731;1517601375;mircea_popescu;it's deeply retarded, because it's algorithmic. sleep $[ ( $RANDOM % x ) + y evidently kills it. 1779732;1517601423;mod6;Welcome back, Sir! 1779733;1517601430;mircea_popescu;ty mod6 ! 1779734;1517601519;mircea_popescu;and in other adaptive lulz, we find in the spampile : 1779735;1517601520;mircea_popescu;The exact micro-chip carries a great impact if perhaps you will be a winner or perhaps a non-winner throughout texas holdem video. The method locations you within the fretting hand will be of value, even now, content material micro-chip commonly known as all of the RNG (Occasional Total Traffic generator) which gives the necessary steps for a professional to manipulate the exact cunning participate in and even botch the possi 1779736;1517601520;mircea_popescu;bility. To describe, think of the video poker via the web gadget as an effective Laptop or computer. It`d be advisable to will mainly because that maybe what it's actually. Obtain the laptop or computer you operate at home or school. It is set to run particular type of undertakings. Typically the gear perhaps there is, on the other hand involves codes so that you hard work. It really is you install program. Around explained r 1779737;1517601522;mircea_popescu;anges, computers can do well whatever you decide and receive. You can begin you operating, give time to dash, following get going a further and it doesn't involve interfering with the entire process of the upfront just one particular. In the event you copy moving upward textual content, conclusion . pumping systems adequate particulars in the create appliance, and then is constantly on the get the job done. Laptop computer do 1779738;1517601528;mircea_popescu;es not have to hold back until their printing service ends, an equivalent option using electronic poker action. 1779739;1517601602;asciilifeform;involves codes so that you hard work << bahahaha gold 1779740;1517601613;mircea_popescu;hardwork, by now a legitimate pinoy word. 1779741;1517601645;mircea_popescu;anyway, this looks like it's actually somehow siphoning context words from google then tries to spin them into its paste. 1779742;1517601654;asciilifeform;pumping systems adequate particulars in the create appliance >> oblig >> http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-02#365844 1779743;1517601654;a111;Logged on 2013-11-02 00:07 asciilifeform: when i read these pitches, i can't help but recall: "...Filtration System A Marvel to Behold! It Removes Eighty Percent of Human Solid Waste!" 1779744;1517601673;mircea_popescu;pig removes 99% 1779745;1517601724;asciilifeform;!#s kazakhstan you very nice place 1779746;1517601725;a111;1 result for "kazakhstan you very nice place", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kazakhstan%20you%20very%20nice%20place 1779747;1517601729;asciilifeform;!~google kazakhstan you very nice place 1779748;1517601730;jhvh1;asciilifeform: National Anthem Of Kazakhstan (With Lyrics) - YouTube: ; Fake Kazakhstan National Anthem from 'Borat' Used During Actual ...: ; ' Kazakhstan's prostitutes cleanest in the region': Shocking blunder ...: (1 more message) 1779749;1517601736;asciilifeform;^subj 1779750;1517601756;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i hope it's clear where i'm headed with this : brace yourselves for the future of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778943 1779751;1517601756;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 17:17 a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:49 phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements. 1779752;1517601793;mircea_popescu;there you will sit, in the not so distant future, trying to figure out what the fuck $item, $tool, $whatever does, with two options before you : a) read mov push pop etc ; b) read "It`d be advisable to will mainly because that maybe what it's actually." 1779753;1517601802;mircea_popescu;free choice - satisfied. 1779754;1517601816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: microshit docs are already pretty close to this. 1779755;1517601818;mircea_popescu;"read the manual!!!" 1779756;1517601822;mircea_popescu;no, I KNOW!@ 1779757;1517601844;mircea_popescu;technical writing by highschool graduates reads shockingly similar to legal writing by highschool graduates. 1779758;1517601847;*;asciilifeform actually and largely because of this sits ~allday and actually 'read mov push pop etc' 1779759;1517601934;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider also, the marvel from the other end of the idiocy stick, the 'autogenned docs' 1779760;1517601963;asciilifeform;these are pestilentially common in scriptinglanguages lands 1779761;1517601987;asciilifeform;'hey whaddayamean the-header-but-with-added-colour-and-styling ain't docs' 1779762;1517602372;mircea_popescu;aha 1779763;1517602479;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778948 1779764;1517602479;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 17:19 mp_en_viaje: they're not DOING anything ; just trying to LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, with a minimum of expenditure. 1779765;1517602698;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779400 << adds them as functions anyway, "for debugging" or somesuch. can't say it's necessarily a bad idea. 1779766;1517602698;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 14:38 ave1: yep 1779767;1517602784;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779409 << this should prolly be standard preface of ada behaviour discussions ; ffa or non-ffa related. asciilifeform maybe you should add it as a comment you know ? at the top of the pile, "if anything's strange say @me in #trilema, please preface the saying with and-here's-my-grep-v" 1779768;1517602784;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:05 asciilifeform: ave1: and plz post the output of gnat -v . 1779769;1517602856;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779419 << seems legit. 1779770;1517602856;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:37 BingoBoingo: Still, they get an email along the lines of "I am scaling up my business here in Uruguay and need a bunch of 1U server boxes. What can you get as whole computers or empty cases? 1779771;1517602862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when's your visit there scheduled ? 1779772;1517602877;mircea_popescu;(and more practically : when's my deadline for speccing my boxes with you ?) 1779773;1517602932;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pardon my thickness, where do you want qntra ns pointed again ? ideally in the format ns1= ns2= 1779774;1517603051;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779424 << i entirely expect this. it helps to think of all of orclands, which is to say all asia, africa and south/central america as nations of scavengers with a thin layer of aspierational idiots approximately floating atop it. 1779775;1517603051;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:39 asciilifeform: it is also possible that this is one of those orcistans where there is not such a thing as a scrapyard, errything gets picked up by scavengers and reused same day 1779776;1517603127;mircea_popescu;materials aren't even the whole point, they do the same thing with ideas. much like there hasn't existed a mind in kentucky that didn't live out of re-purposing stuff spewed forth from tv since at least 1960, similarily there hasn't existed a mind in uruguay whose production didn't entirely consist of revomit a la http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ 1779777;1517603162;mircea_popescu;"here's what your fashions were three decades ago, dear european masterfriend. i hope you are very much impressed with how up to date we are here in $shithole! just like real people rite ???" 1779778;1517603275;mircea_popescu;"la democracia es el unico regimen que protege y promoueve la libertad" and so on, the wall hadn't even fallen yet exposing the fundamental inadequacy of all socialisms in the process, whether roosevelt style or not. 1779779;1517603333;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779430 << the fundamental point you elide here is that FG is one step away from selling in the same fashion, for the exact same reason. 1779780;1517603333;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:49 asciilifeform: and imho selling 10+ yr old server, prolly complete with fan dust cake, for 'you must ask for quote!' takes some cheek. 1779781;1517603358;mircea_popescu;their currencies are about as stable wrt to the dollar as the dollar is stable wrt bitcoin. it is not physically possible to have anything like a meaningful price in spanish. 1779782;1517603405;mircea_popescu;even leaving aside the "argentine peso, 8.35 to the dollar according to "independent" govt banks, 27 to the dollar when mp sells it", colombia : 2750ish official, 3100 real. 1779783;1517603462;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779434 << i sent gabriel laddel some coca leaves tea, we see. 1779784;1517603462;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:50 trinque waits patiently for a gossipd atop which to redo hypertext 1779785;1517603485;mircea_popescu;(all kidding aside, can and has bought dried coca leaves in a box. looks just like ordinary tea. five bux." 1779786;1517603527;mod6;zoomtea 1779787;1517603555;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779437 << why woulkd you cut that ? consider you like something in the vein of http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/ ; am i to not do this anymore now ? 1779788;1517603555;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:51 asciilifeform: e.g. directory listing 1779789;1517603558;trinque;heh! 1779790;1517603570;mircea_popescu;(i'm aware everyone derps about "DANGERS", but seems to me very much a case of photographed box) 1779791;1517603866;asciilifeform;!!up xahlee 1779792;1517603866;deedbot;xahlee voiced for 30 minutes. 1779793;1517603875;asciilifeform;holyfuq a d00d finally answered asciilifeform's invitations 1779794;1517603878;asciilifeform;heya xahlee 1779795;1517603886;asciilifeform;xahlee: got a pgp key ? 1779796;1517603891;mircea_popescu;!#s "xah" 1779797;1517603893;a111;118 results for "\"xah\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22xah%22 1779798;1517603896;mircea_popescu;^ ? 1779799;1517603902;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lispist 1779800;1517603917;xahlee;test 1779801;1517603925;xahlee;woot! hi guys 1779802;1517603931;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766301 1779803;1517603931;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 16:41 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other oddities, http://www.xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/pd.html 1779804;1517603940;asciilifeform;xahlee: make a pgp key. register with deedbot, 1779805;1517603942;asciilifeform;!!help 1779806;1517603942;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1779807;1517603946;xahlee;i thought asciilifeform the handle is familiar but forgot where 1779808;1517603955;asciilifeform;xahlee: loper-os 1779809;1517603969;xahlee;yes, that i knew, recently saw u guy's chat. :D 1779810;1517604063;asciilifeform;xahlee: there is a log, http://btcbase.org/log ( and elsewhere ) 1779811;1517604095;xahlee;yes. thx. yeah i think that's the site i saw few weeks ago 1779812;1517604097;xahlee;what's up? 1779813;1517604115;xahlee;haven't had a gpg key... will take me a while to readup again 1779814;1517604132;asciilifeform;xahlee: intro reading -- http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ 1779815;1517604138;xahlee;haven't had for a while. last time was some year ago, oh signing emacs shit 1779816;1517604157;asciilifeform;xahlee: if you have an old key, try and dig it out. otherwise, make new one, i'll rate you. 1779817;1517604226;xahlee;ok. will make new but probably later today. 1779818;1517604258;asciilifeform;xahlee: do it, and come back, whenever; you can operate deedbot via privmsg. 1779819;1517604266;xahlee;k 1779820;1517604273;xahlee;i email u then, later. 1779821;1517604275;xahlee;thx. 1779822;1517604285;asciilifeform;privmsg worx better than email 1779823;1517604415;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779772 << i have 3 boxes prepared for bisp under s.nsa banners ; 1 is dulap-III , which is 'endisked', en-FG'd, and crated for its journey; 2 want disks; if mircea_popescu has specific config he wants for #2 and #3, or to obtain moar , gpggram. 1779824;1517604415;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 20:21 mircea_popescu: (and more practically : when's my deadline for speccing my boxes with you ?) 1779825;1517604416;phf;oh cool was just reading guy's pages recently (work people discovered mechanical keyboards, buying up crates of stuff, iranian style) 1779826;1517604438;phf;that's ^ re xahell 1779827;1517604442;phf;err xahlee 1779828;1517604446;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779771 << still clearing my calendar, frustratingly, for ro expedition ( looks to be ~3 wks from nao ) 1779829;1517604446;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 20:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when's your visit there scheduled ? 1779830;1517604459;asciilifeform;can squeeze in a BingoBoingoistan expedition shortly thereafter 1779831;1517604501;asciilifeform;i still see it as open question, whether they'll wink through a crate with N servers as 'personal effects', or steal the whole lot 1779832;1517604511;mircea_popescu;steal, no, but may tack on tax. 1779833;1517604520;mircea_popescu;anyway, buy tickets so we have something definite, and say. 1779834;1517604523;asciilifeform;well depending what is the tax, could be same as steal. 1779835;1517604538;asciilifeform;i dun have with what to pay 10% of a 100,000 imaginary 'value' say. 1779836;1517604542;mircea_popescu;in principle, sure. i'm unconcerned. 1779837;1517604556;asciilifeform;then the whole orchestra oughta go in the crate, yes 1779838;1517604582;*;mircea_popescu is a man with a 90 day visa on a 25 days remaining temporary passport and without an id since... 2014 ? 2013 ? 1779839;1517604589;mircea_popescu;hard to be very impressed with the edifice. 1779840;1517604596;asciilifeform;right but mircea_popescu runs on atomic battery. 1779841;1517604610;mircea_popescu;lol atomic battery 1779842;1517604650;phf;unobsidanium 1779843;1517604709;phf;special material that mp runs on that has a byproduct of robbing others of agency, see also superman 1779844;1517604711;mircea_popescu;when we originally met, many moons ago, hanbot was very impressed with my casual "diplomatic car ? of course i've ridden around in one". in her girly days this had seemed like the crux of cool, you know, "wanna gimme a ticket ? send it to bucharest." 1779845;1517604743;mircea_popescu;this trip she got to ride around in one ; and found out that the ambassador's official representation car is exactly her mark and mode ; except made in mexico not imported from bayerische krankenwerk directly. 1779846;1517605171;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform am i decoding this incorrectly or are you saying that we will be paying ~at least~ one month of rent on an unused rack ?! 1779847;1517605247;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's include several variants for completeness : 1) fedex , and chancing the VAT 2) somebody other than asciilifeform , who can go sooner, goes, delivers a box 3) BingoBoingo obtains box locally 1779848;1517605259;asciilifeform;did i miss any ? 1779849;1517605262;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what are you doing these days ? 1779850;1517605292;mircea_popescu;more practically, how does ride over to wash dc, leave car in deep parking, get alf's boxes, fly over to bb, come back, extract your car go home sound ? 1779851;1517605315;asciilifeform;i can easily fedex box(s) to danielpbarron , incidentally, no reason for him to take many days to drive 1779852;1517605325;asciilifeform;( there's no vat-collector b/w asciilifeform and danielpbarron ) 1779853;1517605327;mircea_popescu;he's in ct iirc. what days it's 2 hrs. 1779854;1517605342;asciilifeform;6-7hr 1779855;1517605350;mircea_popescu;that far is it ? 1779856;1517605356;asciilifeform;( and then back, unless he wants to take a plane from dc ) 1779857;1517605366;mircea_popescu;no that was idea, better links from dc anyway 1779858;1517605374;mircea_popescu;(i think) 1779859;1517605390;asciilifeform;pretty sad links from dc actually. ~all the good flights on this side of continent are from nyc 1779860;1517605400;asciilifeform;typically. 1779861;1517605412;mircea_popescu;oh there is that. fedex may be better move huh. 1779862;1517605413;trinque;got laguardia and newark within dpb range 1779863;1517605462;mircea_popescu;lessee what he says when he wakes up. 1779864;1517605514;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform conceivably you could also meet him at airport ? 1779865;1517605528;mircea_popescu;have a cup of terribad coffee together. 1779866;1517605568;asciilifeform;entirely 1779867;1517605595;mircea_popescu;getting to meet other lord for 1st time always worth something. 1779868;1517605606;*;asciilifeform recently met phf in the meat for 1st time 1779869;1517605616;mircea_popescu;o you did ? how was it 1779870;1517605635;mircea_popescu;is he all like hipster style, soulpatches and whatnot ? 1779871;1517605669;mod6;lol 1779872;1517605709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally intel sayz good links to sa are all from miami/ft lauderdale etc ; not so much ny. 1779873;1517605753;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 1779874;1517605933;mircea_popescu;also related, BingoBoingo if he brings you pogos, how do you plan to use ? decase and mount in an ad-hoc thing, 8-10-12 to the u ? 1779875;1517605967;mircea_popescu;and re the "use ips" : very cheap solution is to run bitcoin nodes, i'm told. those evidently can't share ips. 1779876;1517605991;phf;fwiw, i could pick up ascii's stuff and go next week even, but the flights are ~~$1200, which i don't have a budget for at the moment. 1779877;1517606006;mircea_popescu;phf where did you look from and what airline ? 1779878;1517606068;danielpbarron;i'm about to move to oklahoma, waiting to hear back from lawyer regarding a reckless driving charge before that. 1779879;1517606123;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron ah so not really convenient for you ? 1779880;1517606141;danielpbarron;not necessarily 1779881;1517606162;phf;dc all airports to montevideo LATAM, Avianca, also the usual pick of american, united, etc. looked at flights.goog. i suspect there's some indirect hop from southern u.s. but flight there within u.s. from dc is not going to be cheap ("going to warm places vacation season") 1779882;1517606163;danielpbarron;i just need to be in court whenever they say, don't know a date yet 1779883;1517606196;mircea_popescu;phf avianca is TERRIBLE 1779884;1517606200;mircea_popescu;colombian airline. 1779885;1517606214;mircea_popescu;see what coppa has to say ? they generally have sub 1k 2 weeks out sorta thing. 1779886;1517606231;mircea_popescu;copa* 1779887;1517606245;phf;well, sometimes if you have to travel with, like, farmers transporting their goats and such, it can be a reasonable price in return 1779888;1517606248;mircea_popescu;they generally connect you through panama, which is not bad for your case, middle of the way 1779889;1517606258;mircea_popescu;phf avianca is not cheap, just bad. 1779890;1517606261;phf;ah. 1779891;1517606302;mircea_popescu;copa is cheap-ish and pretty good ; the rest are gringo airlines doing dumb shit like hubbing through us cities. which makes your voyage split 3/10 rather than 5-7 or so 1779892;1517606304;phf;lulz, copa's website really doesn't like my firefox. 1779893;1517606314;mircea_popescu;i dunno, imo huge premium for <8 vs >8 hour flight 1779894;1517606366;phf;really anything is cheaper than u.s. intermediate city relay. my favorite is nyc moscow $600, dc moscow (through nyc) $1600 1779895;1517606376;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1779896;1517606696;phf;"cheapest" i'm finding is feb13-feb21st at $1100 1779897;1517606712;mircea_popescu;not terrible. 1779898;1517606733;phf;13h flight, yeah that's basically indian territory, so makes sense for the price. 1779899;1517606736;mircea_popescu;i'm picking up your flight if you're putting in the sweat. 1779900;1517606789;mircea_popescu;phf you can also book with a day+ layover in panama on your way back. for one thing you get to see the place and despise panama for good reason rather than by hearsay ; for the other flight over here is ~1hr ~every hour. 1779901;1517606818;mircea_popescu;11 days should be enough for alf to bake the boxes i expect. danielpbarron i think he's better suited as they're right next to each other ; but pending discussion with bb can you fedex some pogos ? 1779902;1517606950;danielpbarron;sure 1779903;1517606971;danielpbarron;encrypt to me how much and what addr 1779904;1517607035;mircea_popescu;willl do this weekend / coming week. thanks. 1779905;1517607165;ben_vulpes;i live in possibly one of the worst places to travel from, but i've got two servers for the foundation sitting on my office floor i gotta get down there as well, so if asciilifeform's rotrip delay is that much sand in the gears i can make the run to uruguay 1779906;1517607183;ben_vulpes;would be pleased to, actually 1779907;1517607205;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes conceivably could fedex to phf once this is sealed ? 1779908;1517607226;mircea_popescu;of course you two could also fly independently and meet there for mini bbisp conference 1779909;1517607226;ben_vulpes;sure absolutely 1779910;1517607293;asciilifeform;pogos btw will need disks 1779911;1517607318;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: depending on what you need in the 2 virginal boxen, can be ready in ~wk 1779912;1517607340;mircea_popescu;aite, what's the menu like ? 1779913;1517607359;asciilifeform;1 has 4 bays, other -- 8 1779914;1517607400;asciilifeform;the one with 4, i've outfitted with a proper 3ware card that knows how to raid5 ( the stock card in mobo is also 3ware but only knows how to raid10 ) 1779915;1517607417;mircea_popescu;and the other -- not ? 1779916;1517607419;asciilifeform;this makes practical diff in re the ultimate capacity ( raid10 is wasteful ) 1779917;1517607443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suggest something, whatcha got there ? 1779918;1517607451;asciilifeform;the 8bay one still has the stock card, 8cable 3wares are costly, but can be had on reasonably short notice 1779919;1517607480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun keep a massive pile of ssd on my person, lol. but: 1779920;1517607481;mircea_popescu;i think since we're doing this let's do it right, so get it an 8 cable card all sat down. what boards were these i forget ? 1779921;1517607506;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rather, can i get out of you a post with what there is ; and what there can be had reasonably (out of the very narrow set of reasonable gear anyway)\ 1779922;1517607524;asciilifeform;3ware/lsi 1779923;1517607554;mircea_popescu;this dribbling of bits and pieces is set to become the principal enemy of the republic in terms of how much damage it does. 1779924;1517607560;mircea_popescu;nsa is not even on the map. 1779925;1517607566;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly doesn't merit entire post, given as most of the item is in the log. 1779926;1517607586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform merits absolutely, giving that there is a whole raft of future reference looking at a spark point in the past. 1779927;1517607589;mircea_popescu;this present being that past. 1779928;1517607594;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735428 << this, but with misprint, it's 24 core. 1779929;1517607594;a111;Logged on 2017-11-09 18:40 asciilifeform: i have currently 3 boxen for pilot plant. all 3 contain 32cores of 'opteron 6376'. 2 of them contain 256M of ram; 1 currently has 24G ( can hold up to 256 ). each has 2 x G/sec nics, 2 x (reduntant) 700W ps . 1779930;1517607604;mircea_popescu;just make that post will you! 1779931;1517607605;ben_vulpes;the time for talmudry is nigh! 1779932;1517607616;asciilifeform;i'ma have to uncrate and photo then, later this weekend. 1779933;1517607641;mircea_popescu;not even necessarily photo, a simple "here is what we have, COMPLETE specs ; and what we probably might want to ~EVER~ get". 1779934;1517607643;asciilifeform;( will require a 'game of sokoban' , believe or not, in my torture room, to actually access the boxen. ) 1779935;1517607656;mircea_popescu;it will become a sort of reference item over time i suspect. 1779936;1517607673;asciilifeform;right. i can see it. 1779937;1517607678;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform get the girl to film that, now THAT is quality entertainment content. 1779938;1517607680;*;mircea_popescu is not even kidding. 1779939;1517607692;asciilifeform;incidentally i got also smaller boxes of various descriptions, that may or may not merit deployment in bisp 1779940;1517607697;asciilifeform;( e.g. a 'wyse', 1779941;1517607700;asciilifeform;!#s wyse 1779942;1517607700;a111;5 results for "wyse", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wyse 1779943;1517607701;asciilifeform;) 1779944;1517607703;mircea_popescu;put on the list, we discuss. 1779945;1517607706;mircea_popescu;perfect time to garage sale, for you. 1779946;1517607709;asciilifeform;aha. 1779947;1517607709;mircea_popescu;also, do you have seals ? 1779948;1517607744;asciilifeform;not in the traditional plebeland sense ( i can set up a box such that with own hands i can see if it was opened. but what else is there ? ) 1779949;1517607749;asciilifeform;what does mircea_popescu have in mind re seals 1779950;1517607768;mircea_popescu;nothing in particular, just curious 1779951;1517607771;phf;your ring as applied to wax 1779952;1517607781;asciilifeform;i ~do~ have a spotwelder... 1779953;1517607787;asciilifeform;actually purchased for this occasion 1779954;1517607796;asciilifeform;( and for battery restorations, lol ) 1779955;1517607800;phf;so does enemy!!1 1779956;1517607804;asciilifeform;naturally. 1779957;1517607807;asciilifeform;enemy has wax also, presumably. 1779958;1517607812;asciilifeform;and knows how to potato 1779959;1517607824;mircea_popescu;but not the shape of your 2nd concubine's clitoral hood or w/e you use 1779960;1517607835;asciilifeform;that's what potatoing is, to lift shape 1779961;1517607836;mircea_popescu;"master, it buuuuurnsss" "for the republic!" 1779962;1517607847;asciilifeform;y'know, like passport forgers used to 1779963;1517607848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shut up im fanficking. 1779964;1517607851;asciilifeform;lolk 1779965;1517607932;mircea_popescu;actually, microfiber in glass may work as a modern seal. expensive as all fuck and not at all contemplated for this application 1779966;1517607952;asciilifeform;we did this thread aha 1779967;1517607966;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714165 << 1779968;1517607966;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 03:18 asciilifeform: clever, seems to use unique rf characteristics of a random wire hairball 1779969;1517607970;mircea_popescu;but you melt glass (acetylene burner, not the end of world), laser burn the pattern into receiving fiber caught inside. seal blanks would look like old style fuses basically 1779970;1517607998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the innovation is that you cut some of the loops. 1779971;1517608003;mircea_popescu;AFTER you put the seal on. 1779972;1517608012;asciilifeform;the hard part is to set it up such that enemy doesn't simply replace the ~crate~ around the lock loop and laugh all the way to the bank 1779973;1517608022;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1779974;1517608048;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the ru item was remarkable because it was verifiable with simple analogue electronics, no fancy patternmatching camera etc 1779975;1517608078;mircea_popescu;yeah. there's many still open problems in re seals 1779976;1517608098;asciilifeform;the crate is chief problem. 1779977;1517608103;mircea_popescu;but i find it a great cranktopic to crank in mind. if for no other reason than because it's probably the ancient invention of seal that we owe technology to 1779978;1517608111;mircea_popescu;and very much NOT language ; nor the wheel. 1779979;1517608114;asciilifeform;i personally muchly luvv the subj 1779980;1517608166;asciilifeform;and grr i can't seem to find the glass ball thread 1779981;1517608189;asciilifeform;( where asciilifeform described a full-bore crackpotteristic potential answer to the seal problem ) 1779982;1517608193;phf;well, main question is we're shipping in a crate proper, rather than say, luggage bag, it will be opened. in fact we're playing lottery here with opening, inspecting and tampering, seal or no seal 1779983;1517608216;mircea_popescu;phf as i said, none of this refers to item at hand. 1779984;1517608230;phf;ah, i wasn't sure about ascii 1779985;1517608234;mircea_popescu;the alf methjod, and i expect is correct, is "i got technical samples, i am taking to $conference" or w/e. 1779986;1517608241;mircea_popescu;nobody is ever sure about alf, that's his superpower. 1779987;1517608249;asciilifeform;moar general problem. if application is important, conceivably you can afford to throw out the 7 of 10 or whatever crates which show symptoms of having been opened. 1779988;1517608277;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform incidentally intel sayz good links to sa are all from miami/ft lauderdale etc ; not so much ny. << The plane that does the American Airlines direct Miami-Montevideo route is older than I am. Flights routinely cancelled for repairs. Copa's panama to Montevideo service though is reliable. 1779989;1517608295;ben_vulpes;phf: you have rackcrate? get from asciilifeform ? 1779990;1517608308;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: let's include several variants for completeness : 1) fedex , and chancing the VAT 2) somebody other than asciilifeform , who can go sooner, goes, delivers a box 3) BingoBoingo obtains box locally << Fedex to Montevideo is a certain VAT, and random chance of additional import duty. 1779991;1517608312;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i took copa via panama & bolivia, to c3 back in the day, it worked ok, ~empty planes some of the way 1779992;1517608328;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have'em in thick cardboard'an'foam crates 1779993;1517608332;mircea_popescu;when you went to bsas ? 1779994;1517608335;asciilifeform;aha 1779995;1517608342;mircea_popescu;how long was that, 16 hours ? 1779996;1517608345;asciilifeform;23 1779997;1517608351;mircea_popescu;jaysus 1779998;1517608356;mircea_popescu;yeah, this planet is actually large. 1779999;1517608358;asciilifeform;but at least cheap! 1780000;1517608359;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: throw 'em on gurneys in la aeropuerto? 1780001;1517608360;ben_vulpes;el 1780002;1517608371;asciilifeform;not 23 of motors running, no 1780003;1517608374;asciilifeform;maybe 14 1780004;1517608378;asciilifeform;23 of total sweat. 1780005;1517608385;ben_vulpes;anyways phf oi 1780006;1517608390;ben_vulpes;fuck i can't use this keyboard wtf 1780007;1517608405;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: are you on a speak&spell or wat 1780008;1517608406;mircea_popescu;stop hitting it with your dick!! 1780009;1517608407;phf;oi mate oi 1780010;1517608421;ben_vulpes;oi oi oi 1780011;1517608425;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's been on icraps so long he forgot the kbd is intended for fingers 1780012;1517608428;ben_vulpes;no, i have viral load and it's in my everything 1780013;1517608439;asciilifeform;phunphakt, ~halfthetime asciilifeform is on an icraptoy of whatever kind 1780014;1517608444;asciilifeform;when in bed and can't be arsed to get up 1780015;1517608455;phf;trut comes out 1780016;1517608457;asciilifeform;they relay through specially made box 1780017;1517608466;mircea_popescu;!!rate asciilifeform -10 ipad 1780018;1517608468;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/epKK9/?raw=true 1780019;1517608469;phf;"AirPort" 1780020;1517608484;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: shitdroid also! 1780021;1517608492;asciilifeform;and i think i even have a z...whatwasit 1780022;1517608493;*;mircea_popescu used to dick around on girls' ipad, playing games w/e. 1780023;1517608494;asciilifeform;rubber kbd 1780024;1517608500;asciilifeform;zaurus ? 1780025;1517608547;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes did you get febra amarilla vacunacion btw ? BECAUSE IT CAN BE HEMORHAGIC! 1780026;1517608548;asciilifeform;but errybody knows, Troo Men connect only via http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 1780027;1517608548;a111;Logged on 2014-04-25 20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg 1780028;1517608550;BingoBoingo; also related, BingoBoingo if he brings you pogos, how do you plan to use ? decase and mount in an ad-hoc thing, 8-10-12 to the u ? << Pretty much this. 1780029;1517608551;mircea_popescu;!!up sageprobes 1780030;1517608551;deedbot;sageprobes voiced for 30 minutes. 1780031;1517608559;asciilifeform;oh hey, a sageprobes 1780032;1517608571;phf;ben_vulpes: republican matters is like reading leaves, i'm trying to figure out dimensions and who's sending what first. fwiw shipping a rack full (as opposed to ascii's original "2 machines") is going to run up the bill just on the oversized charges with airline 1780033;1517608571;asciilifeform;hey laplinker , get a gpg key regged ? 1780034;1517608579;asciilifeform;!!up laplinker 1780035;1517608580;deedbot;laplinker voiced for 30 minutes. 1780036;1517608587;asciilifeform;phf: ~3~ machiens 1780037;1517608591;laplinker;asciilifeform: no i hadnt had the chance, sorry 1780038;1517608591;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo got a clear anything in mind, or just hoping it'l work ? have a case somewhere you intend to cram them in so we can look before committing ? 1780039;1517608602;laplinker;did you get my msg? 1780040;1517608616;asciilifeform;laplinker: aha, did, could not answer however 1780041;1517608625;asciilifeform;laplinker: plz to repost here, it might be of use to somebody 1780042;1517608636;mircea_popescu;phf the plan here is : 2 boxes alf already has + 5ish for me, depending on what we manage to extract out of his menu a la carte + some pogos if we are satisfied these can be run up. 1780043;1517608638;laplinker;i tried, but no one gave me voice 1780044;1517608643;asciilifeform;ugh 1780045;1517608647;mircea_popescu;shouldn't be over 20kgs all told, this ; should fit among clothes. 1780046;1517608656;phf;asciilifeform: 3 1u's or 3 3us :) 1780047;1517608665;laplinker;yeah, i know. i thought you'd like to know that 1780048;1517608672;asciilifeform;laplinker: please repost here 1780049;1517608679;laplinker;sorry, im thick 1780050;1517608686;asciilifeform;phf: unless somebody's got a dedicated 3u travel crate, they prolly oughta move in the vendor crates 1780051;1517608688;mircea_popescu;laplinker make a pgp key if you don't have one, !!register and then you'll be able to self-voice once someone rates you 1780052;1517608690;mircea_popescu;which i expect he will. 1780053;1517608691;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Looking for empty 1U cases. Put fans in there and affix pogos 1780054;1517608702;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo publish some. 1780055;1517608721;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pogo has the minus of taking up much vertical space when disk is in 1780056;1517608734;asciilifeform;they won't sit down in 1u even empty, just a bit too thick 1780057;1517608736;mircea_popescu;yeah i'm not satisfied this can be done economically. 1780058;1517608750;asciilifeform;not with pogos. unless rack is largely empty, as a temporary measure 1780059;1517608751;laplinker;So it is possible to resetbreak with jtag over usb on intel coffeelake 1780060;1517608764;phf;hey, i'm down for a free vacation, but i'm not convinced that the costs work out in our favour 1780061;1517608775;mircea_popescu;laplinker if jtag stuff left in or even if you resolder it in ? 1780062;1517608778;asciilifeform;laplinker: have you personally tried this ? and stepped through a standard consumer bios from reset to boot sector ? 1780063;1517608786;laplinker;its over usb 1780064;1517608788;mircea_popescu;phf which costs are you comparing ? 1780065;1517608790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he's discussing usb variant 1780066;1517608795;mircea_popescu;oh. 1780067;1517608797;laplinker;no soldering, and yes, i can confirm i tried it myself 1780068;1517608801;asciilifeform;laplinker: neat 1780069;1517608805;mircea_popescu;laplinker got a blog or such ? 1780070;1517608817;mircea_popescu;!!key laplinker 1780071;1517608817;deedbot;Not registered. 1780072;1517608818;asciilifeform;laplinker: how about after boot. can microshit tell that you're singlestepping their kernel ? 1780073;1517608850;laplinker;i havnt tried that one yet, just dumped smram so far 1780074;1517608865;asciilifeform;laplinker: and yes, what mircea_popescu said, write a post about this, i'd like to know what boxes this works on, how to talk to the chip, etc 1780075;1517608880;asciilifeform;( ideally without using intel's shitware , in the latter, also ) 1780076;1517608890;asciilifeform;this'd be a pretty serious find. 1780077;1517608894;mircea_popescu;does this need usb3 ? 1780078;1517608904;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it needs there to be one in the 'victim' aha 1780079;1517608906;phf;mircea_popescu: fedex or better yet a private shipping container, later will take couple of weeks though 1780080;1517608913;laplinker;so far it looks like anything past skylake, just need to enable it from bios, it differes per platform. 1780081;1517608922;asciilifeform;waitasec laplinker 1780082;1517608931;asciilifeform;why does bios get a say, if it's active at reset vector ?! 1780083;1517608934;laplinker;mircea_popescu: its a "special" usb cable , DbC cable 1780084;1517608942;mircea_popescu;phf compare like things. (phf, bb meet ; boxes in republican custody whole time, delivered) $x vs (fedexed boxes) $y. 1780085;1517608943;asciilifeform;these can't both be true 1780086;1517608949;mircea_popescu;pricing is a complicated matter. 1780087;1517608959;asciilifeform;laplinker: either bios gets no say; or it's not actually active on reset 1780088;1517608964;laplinker;cpu debug msr c80 needs to be set early as well as enable DCI 1780089;1517608970;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaahahaha 1780090;1517608973;asciilifeform;exactly as i said then 1780091;1517608975;mircea_popescu;this is not reset etc 1780092;1517608975;laplinker;after that you can set HW breakpoint 1780093;1517608979;asciilifeform;it ~isn't~ active on reset!!!! 1780094;1517608984;asciilifeform;ergo worthless 1780095;1517608993;mircea_popescu;well, maybe not worthless, but it is not on reset. 1780096;1517609001;asciilifeform;i SPECIFICALLY am interested in debugging militantly noncooperative items. 1780097;1517609003;phf;mircea_popescu: boxes are not in custody during air travel 1780098;1517609005;laplinker;its active on C10 1780099;1517609016;asciilifeform;laplinker: nogood. the drm crapola runs first. 1780100;1517609023;mircea_popescu;phf very different levels of "not in custody", even if we're accepting the objection. 1780101;1517609039;asciilifeform;laplinker: sage was interesting because it can ~genuinely~ debug from reset. in fact from before ram is inited 1780102;1517609047;asciilifeform;can run whole box in cache-as-only-ram mode, even. 1780103;1517609053;asciilifeform;as in, pull the ram sticks. 1780104;1517609079;phf;mircea_popescu: hey i flew moscow in the 90s, i'm trained that putting anything in luggage is playing a roulette 1780105;1517609111;mircea_popescu;yes, well, i don't foresee littoral combat airplane following copa around to diddle your equipaje. 1780106;1517609117;laplinker;asciilifeform: are you targeting before first fetch of the cpu? 1780107;1517609125;asciilifeform;laplinker: correct. 1780108;1517609142;asciilifeform;laplinker: and, distantly secondarily, microshit's 'secure' crapola. 1780109;1517609156;asciilifeform;i.e. specifically things that MUCHLY do not want to be debugged. 1780110;1517609166;asciilifeform;imho whole fucking point of an iron debugger. 1780111;1517609185;laplinker;asciilifeform: it should be possible, i need to do some tests 1780112;1517609189;asciilifeform;i.e. to shove red hot poker up the arse of 'intellectual property' 1780113;1517609240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think phf possibly was alluding to ordinary orc-theft of cargo, rather than the usgistic sort 1780114;1517609241;laplinker;asciilifeform: they got ME code here https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8762-inside_intel_management_engine 1780115;1517609254;mircea_popescu;i don't expect this'd happen. 1780116;1517609275;mircea_popescu;somehow he went to india and they didn't steal his gf ; what do orcs want with weird non-galaxy looking cuisinart boxes. 1780117;1517609308;asciilifeform;what did they want with rms's mips laptop, lol 1780118;1517609317;asciilifeform;orcs pilfer 1st and ask q's 2nd 1780119;1517609328;asciilifeform;but admittedly prolly won;t 1780120;1517609340;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe to expose him for the fraud he is ? 1780121;1517609349;mircea_popescu;maybe he's just an idiot and forgot where he left it ? 1780122;1517609351;mircea_popescu;etcetera. 1780123;1517609354;asciilifeform;i've nfi 1780124;1517609361;asciilifeform;nothing was heard of magiclaptop ever again. 1780125;1517609368;BingoBoingo; shouldn't be over 20kgs all told, this ; should fit among clothes. << I used beach towels and blankets. 1780126;1517609368;mircea_popescu;very unlikely case, he didn't not get it off conveyor, 1780127;1517609370;asciilifeform;( this is the one ~before~ the ill-fated x60 ) 1780128;1517609378;mircea_popescu;oh. 1780129;1517609396;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, he had the ( to this day unobtainable ) 'loongson' mips-top 1780130;1517609420;*;asciilifeform to this day has failed to buy even 1 , it is almost as rare as 'elbrus' 1780131;1517609420;mircea_popescu;whatever, fuck'm. 1780132;1517609429;asciilifeform;64bit mips, believe. 1780133;1517609521;asciilifeform;but upstack, asciilifeform has not had anyffing pilfered ~between conveyors~ since... well, 1992, moscow->nyc 1780134;1517609538;mod6;they got you huh 1780135;1517609539;mircea_popescu;i never had anything stolen from me. 1780136;1517609549;asciilifeform;atomicbattery!111 1780137;1517609550;mircea_popescu;not moscow, not krygoy-rov, nada. 1780138;1517609623;mircea_popescu;krivoy-rog lel. 1780139;1517609629;mircea_popescu;apparently dyslexia's contagious. 1780140;1517609826;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779441 << what do you think the problem with keep-alive is ? 1780141;1517609826;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:52 asciilifeform: 'keep-alive' 1780142;1517609890;asciilifeform;possibly none; i just have nfi why it's there 1780143;1517609900;mircea_popescu;cuz it's in the tcp standard. 1780144;1517609906;asciilifeform;we're talking about http's keepalive 1780145;1517609907;asciilifeform;not tcp 1780146;1517609917;mircea_popescu;and cuz if you do something like wget a whole site it actually helps both you and it. 1780147;1517609921;asciilifeform;but how ? 1780148;1517609942;asciilifeform;GET-with-offset, for resuming partial fetches -- yes, helps 1780149;1517609946;mircea_popescu;(i don't mean it's the same thing ; i mean it's in the http because it was in the tcp. 1780150;1517609946;asciilifeform;but how does keepalive help 1780151;1517609954;mircea_popescu;and how, because of the way threading half-works, how.) 1780152;1517609962;asciilifeform;this is not an answer 1780153;1517609970;asciilifeform;hey trinque , do you know the seekrit of this one ? 1780154;1517609971;mircea_popescu;hm. 1780155;1517609983;mircea_popescu;what'd an answer look like here ? 1780156;1517609986;asciilifeform;( or phf ? somebody who http-ates ? ) 1780157;1517610000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'd look like trinque and phf 's answers re HEAD 1780158;1517610008;mircea_popescu;the sum of the cost of getting ten items through one link between the same parties is lower than the sum of the cost of ghetting ten items through ten links. 1780159;1517610032;*;mircea_popescu continues logread to learn proper format! 1780160;1517610047;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779447 << i have. 1780161;1517610047;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:54 asciilifeform: i've never written proggy that issues 'HEAD' 1780162;1517610103;mircea_popescu;it's not JUST "did it update" ; it's also the issue of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773353 : how do you intend to find the location of your semantically identified content without redirects ? 1780163;1517610103;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 17:13 mircea_popescu: "do not use 2nd class link as 1st class link". 1780164;1517610133;mircea_popescu;> head site/dickpix ; < site/dicks-today ; > get site/dicks-today 1780165;1517610160;asciilifeform;GET gives you same thing tho 1780166;1517610170;mircea_popescu;at some cost of bw / server load. 1780167;1517610180;asciilifeform;i'ma wait till mircea_popescu eats rest of thread tho 1780168;1517610221;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779452 << no because he doesn't have keepalive so his connection will die within the first mb every time anyway. 1780169;1517610221;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:55 trinque: you're going to what, download the whole hundreds of gb every time you sync? 1780170;1517610281;asciilifeform;i dun think keepalive ( of the http variety , rather than tcp's ) comes into play at all when you aren't on a dialup modem or similar horror 1780171;1517610290;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779461 << im affraid wget will have to be rewritten not killed ; possibly in a package with curl, but just as possibly not, and in any case this is next gosplan. 1780172;1517610290;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:56 asciilifeform: we don't use it ? it dies. that simple 1780173;1517610306;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is this think based on anything ? 1780174;1517610315;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: based on tcpdump/wireshark 1780175;1517610338;mircea_popescu;of any single file > 1gb ? 1780176;1517610348;asciilifeform;on occasion yes 1780177;1517610360;asciilifeform;prolly deserves a formal experiment tho 1780178;1517610361;mircea_popescu;well your experience's outlying, afaik, but ok. 1780179;1517610445;asciilifeform;keepaliveism gives sour flavour in my mouth, in effect it permits 'oh i can't seem to shit, but DON'T kick me off the pot' 1780180;1517610470;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779464 << this is an iffy point, currently mostly used to serve imperial nonsense/crapola, but we might end up wishing to overload it. see whole http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gns thing 1780181;1517610470;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 15:59 asciilifeform: ditto OPTIONS and other liquishit. 1780182;1517610475;asciilifeform;why should somebody on a deadgoat modem be able to keep their socket open and move 0 data 1780183;1517610483;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imo this is a misstatement of what it does. 1780184;1517610495;mircea_popescu;you understand keepalive is often issued by THE SILENT PARTY, while LISTENING ? 1780185;1517610513;asciilifeform;i'ma have to dig into subj 1780186;1517610537;mircea_popescu;more apt would be to say it's the "yeah... aha... yeah" humming while someone's telling you how they crashed the car. 1780187;1517610558;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: upstack, i recommend against 'extend OPTIONS to do names' or any similar; http is a fundamentally damaged-at-birth item , and really oughta be trimmed down to bare minimum , and kept alive for strictly so long as it cannot be avoided 1780188;1517610569;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol 1780189;1517610574;mircea_popescu;i thought we weren't doing keepalive. 1780190;1517610587;asciilifeform;lolx2 1780191;1517610604;asciilifeform;fwiw i'm still quite convinced that errything other than GET and PUT is ~= prb orphanage. 1780192;1517610614;asciilifeform;'essential'-except-not 1780193;1517610662;mircea_popescu;it's complicated, dood, http ended up hammered into shape much like sealife, over evolutionary spans. 1780194;1517610671;asciilifeform;this i can see. 1780195;1517610677;mircea_popescu;"i don't see why this fish should have colors, bleach it" is not much bioengineering. 1780196;1517610703;asciilifeform;idea is to make a submarine, it needs neither colours, nor gills. 1780197;1517610711;asciilifeform;but swims just as readily. 1780198;1517610715;mircea_popescu;neither is directly evident. 1780199;1517610728;mircea_popescu;most submarines do in fact have gills ; and way more is spent for their painting than on say car's. 1780200;1517610729;asciilifeform;idea is a http server in <1000 ln of ada, approx. 1780201;1517610742;asciilifeform;i dun particularly care ~how~ this is accomplished. 1780202;1517610753;mircea_popescu;i get it, you're lazy, nothing wrong with it. the lazy implementation approach is even defensible politically. 1780203;1517610764;mircea_popescu;but you're not saying "w/e, ima implement x when gettign around to it" 1780204;1517610857;asciilifeform;consider, i have a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766133 , and that's a (slow but working) rsa. really everyone using multi-MB-of-c-liquishit for whatever application, should be scratching his head and thinking about life 1780205;1517610857;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 23:02 asciilifeform: libffa ( the actual arithmetism ) is cumulatively ~1900 loc, (80col!11) inclusive of whitespace , banners, and commentolade ; ffacalc apparatus another ~900, ditto. 1780206;1517610862;mircea_popescu;sorry gabriel_laddel i was just kidding about the coca tea. sent some to other people. 1780207;1517610870;asciilifeform;lol! 1780208;1517610895;mircea_popescu;!!up gabriel_laddel 1780209;1517610896;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1780210;1517610963;gabriel_laddel;Inventory arrived from CA a few days ago and am rebuilding M. mircea_popescu well you certainly know how to get my attention.. 1780211;1517610988;asciilifeform;nao i'm curious, would gabriel_laddel even ~feel~ a cup of coca tea ? 1780212;1517610996;asciilifeform;( does coca tea actually exist as an item ? ) 1780213;1517611002;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1780214;1517611021;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: yes and yes. coffee still works fine too. no cross tolerence with meth 1780215;1517611031;asciilifeform;oh hm nao i seem to recall a loud and pompous ban on it in usa. 1780216;1517611046;asciilifeform;'ohnoez, seekrit loophole' etc 1780217;1517611069;mircea_popescu;o, really ? 1780218;1517611080;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: nao i'm also curious, what is gained from cup of coffee after one has already taken meth 1780219;1517611120;mircea_popescu;god forbid alf tries anal, ends up unable to enjoy a blowjob. 1780220;1517611126;asciilifeform;lol 1780221;1517611131;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: exact same thing you or anyone else get from it. Focus, awake, music sounds real nice suddenly interested in life 1780222;1517611153;mircea_popescu;i am willing to sign and attest that all you noobs have no fucking idea what coffee even is. 1780223;1517611174;mircea_popescu;must drink a cup in costa rica (or colombia, for that matter) first, to qualify. 1780224;1517611177;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think i had genuine coffee this one time... 1780225;1517611187;asciilifeform;( dunno how the unburned beans were smuggled into usa ) 1780226;1517611204;asciilifeform;the coffee in ro is nearly same as this 1780227;1517611205;mircea_popescu;argentina ? not even! not that it's bad, but the standard coffee bar is made of gold-iridium alloyfor reason 1780228;1517611218;*;gabriel_laddel believes MP 1780229;1517611219;mod6;i did like the coffee in .ar. but im used to the engine-degreasing shit. 1780230;1517611236;asciilifeform;the coffee in ro, asciilifeform salivates even remembering it 1780231;1517611257;asciilifeform;ditto re all the other edibles 1780232;1517611277;mircea_popescu;let's just say i had an airport cappuccino recreationally in bogota airport. 1780233;1517611348;asciilifeform;hey gabriel_laddel -- other than substances... do anything noteworthy in recent times ? ever read ffa series ? interested in s.bisp ? read diana_coman's www ? 1780234;1517611368;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779473 << you know i'm mildly famous in meataspace for always timing my ping lists ~3-4 ms of the whole second ? so it's perpetually "time 8002ms" or w/e. 1780235;1517611368;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:02 trinque: bahaha, yes, you can time your control-c *just so* that you get only headers 1780236;1517611385;mircea_popescu;maybe i should offer my services as phd-assemblyline meat-head emmulator! 1780237;1517611398;asciilifeform;aaha who needs clock crystal when such hands!11 1780238;1517611405;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1780239;1517611406;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1780240;1517611414;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8745.98, vol: 44598.08814673 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8779.7, vol: 122766.88412717 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8705.0, vol: 18739.6522703 | Volume-weighted last average: 8764.09748843 1780241;1517611419;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: unfortunately not. Am here because I finally have a nice setup where I won't get kicked regularly. While I have been reading some FFA and DC I do not have anything running at the moment 1780242;1517611423;asciilifeform;i betcha mircea_popescu did some pretty killer b&w photography back in the day 1780243;1517611435;mircea_popescu;o hey, bitcoin now worthless ? 1780244;1517611445;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's father has astonishing 'meat clock' ability, from many years of photo work ) 1780245;1517611472;mircea_popescu;mine was from hating having to clean jammed firearms, but anyways 1780246;1517611482;mircea_popescu;the two not so distinct in the end. "shoot", right. 1780247;1517611492;asciilifeform;lol what were ya firing, musket ? 1780248;1517611497;asciilifeform;where else time matters 1780249;1517611524;mircea_popescu;it matters, it matters. 1780250;1517611554;mircea_popescu;shocking news : gunz really dun work as seen on tv. 1780251;1517611574;asciilifeform;i dun think this is noose to anybody here. q is specifically re 'good timing, or jam' 1780252;1517611583;mod6;especially when guns are cold. 1780253;1517611623;mircea_popescu;cold, too hot, all sorta crap. 1780254;1517611634;mod6;fair enough. 1780255;1517611654;mircea_popescu;anyway, not "one true reason", by any means. most idiots overgrease them, calamite jam. 1780256;1517611656;asciilifeform;oh hm ro kalash has the too-hot problem 1780257;1517611676;mod6;what, they cook-off rounds? 1780258;1517611683;mircea_popescu;they can. 1780259;1517611697;asciilifeform;mod6: normally the opposite, extraction fails 1780260;1517611702;mod6;ive never seen that from the heat, only after barrel is uber hot from multiple mag-dumps 1780261;1517611711;mod6;but, can see it 1780262;1517611726;asciilifeform;ok i think i know what mircea_popescu meant. 1780263;1517611743;*;asciilifeform thick. 1780264;1517611763;mircea_popescu;part of the problem is that "jam" describes about as usefully a bevy of conditions as "sick" 1780265;1517611772;mircea_popescu;"o, you're sick ? ok then!" 1780266;1517611776;asciilifeform;right 1780267;1517611777;mod6;i hate having to unjam a double feed on a hot rifle. anyone ever done that before? 1780268;1517611795;mircea_popescu;mod6 "just pour some alcohol on it" 1780269;1517611801;asciilifeform;lol 1780270;1517611802;mod6;aught to be practiced probably, because in field, that could be a killer. 1780271;1517611961;mod6;i did see a lot of guys have failure to cycle/extract with their semi-auto .12gas during the hunting season. 1780272;1517612009;mod6;it gets below say, 15 deg F. and bolt starts to resist from the gummy oil 1780273;1517612019;mod6;old guys freaking out. lol 1780274;1517612022;mircea_popescu;well so they need cold oil, what. 1780275;1517612028;mod6;lol 1780276;1517612046;mircea_popescu;no, really, the russkis have it. special winter lubricant. 1780277;1517612053;mod6;no shit huh? 1780278;1517612073;mircea_popescu;word. 1780279;1517612081;mod6;i think most of these guys use that remoil stuff. i'll have to check into that. 1780280;1517612126;mircea_popescu;they probably do ; you can tell eg cold gun, slide barely moves forward, when it should slap right in. it's prolly crappy oil if the gun is clena. 1780281;1517612130;mod6;one day it was -8 Deg. F. and we were out there, i had two times where cycle was slow. but cleaned shotgun after, never had same problem after that. 1780282;1517612152;mod6;yeah exactly. 1780283;1517612177;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the american teflon lubricant is pretty great ( i use it in various... gear ) 1780284;1517612192;mircea_popescu;of course, problems compound. dubious oil, kinda dirty ammo, not holding gun properly during fire, well... it can take 2 not 3 how about that. 1780285;1517612216;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah and not like it's expensive. a case of "i'm buying the 25 cent a gallon item because i never heard of the 35 cent a galon" 1780286;1517612221;mod6;true enough mircea_popescu. if you don't properly shoulder the weapon, can have funny effects. 1780287;1517612233;asciilifeform;it costs like fine wine. but is the Right Thing. 1780288;1517612256;mod6;i gotta get some of that. 1780289;1517612294;mircea_popescu;mod6 he has no idea ; it's not expensive considering what the actual cost per round is. add in all the capital costs, including the fact you're wasting your time there rather than diddling the local highschool girls' volleyball team... 1780290;1517612321;mod6;HEH 1780291;1517612339;mircea_popescu;besides, it provides an excellent incentive not to overgrease, which is added value just by itself. 1780292;1517612358;mod6;*nod* 1780293;1517612405;mod6;is it hard to get firearms in cr? 1780294;1517612415;mircea_popescu;not really.\ 1780295;1517612426;mod6;cool. 1780296;1517612445;mircea_popescu;wisconsin-ish i'd say. 1780297;1517612455;mod6;well thats sweet then. 1780298;1517612499;mircea_popescu;and illegally, it's la-ish. police ends up in "balacera" with rando orc criminals biweekly. 1780299;1517612549;asciilifeform;sounds lively 1780300;1517612611;mod6;it seems insane to me to go anywhere guns are not readily available. london, for instance. 1780301;1517612623;mircea_popescu;no/very limited hunting culture here, though. 1780302;1517612664;mod6;much in the way of geese or ducks for game? 1780303;1517612674;mircea_popescu;not really. 1780304;1517612679;mod6;too warm 'eh 1780305;1517612679;asciilifeform;maybe parrot tastes ok ? 1780306;1517612688;mod6;lol, if you're hungry it wilL! 1780307;1517612700;mircea_popescu;not much game, lotta protected animals, it's not really a hutning spot. there's some, but nowhere near what you're prolly used to. 1780308;1517612706;asciilifeform;am i the only one who looks at mircea_popescu's priceless rare birds and thinks 'hm' 1780309;1517612725;mircea_popescu;you'd shoot a tucan ? 1780310;1517612735;mircea_popescu;(they're actually eaten here, in the villages) 1780311;1517612740;asciilifeform;hey, 1ce 1780312;1517612758;asciilifeform;i'd luvv to finally eat an iguana, also 1780313;1517612770;asciilifeform;ever since mircea_popescu described it as a less-bony variation on frog 1780314;1517612850;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://www.ticotimes.net/tag/costa-rica-hunting-ban << i'd say that just about describes it. 1780315;1517612861;mod6;ah, thanks 1780316;1517612862;*;mod6 looks 1780317;1517612864;asciilifeform;eggog/404 1780318;1517612920;mircea_popescu;a sec 1780319;1517612947;mircea_popescu;http://www.ticotimes.net/tags/costa-rica-hunting-ban i mean! 1780320;1517612955;mod6;ah, ok 1780321;1517612982;mircea_popescu;https://news.co.cr/five-arrested-for-illegal-hunting-in-guanacaste-costa-rica/66432/ < more recent, ~same vein 1780322;1517612984;asciilifeform;'Toucan dies after being shot with BB gun' 1780323;1517613025;asciilifeform;'Firefighters rushed the bird to ZooAve in La Garita, also in Alajuela. The private center specializes in birds and is the current home of the world famous toucan named Grecia, also a victim of animal cruelty. The bird did not survive the loss of blood and the stress of the situation, ZooAve spokeswoman Mariann Ortega confirmed.' << prolly not the place for hunt aficionado... 1780324;1517613051;mircea_popescu;eh, notice the pieces are like 1 a year. notice also the "judge releases" etc. 1780325;1517613059;asciilifeform;'Costa Rica’s existing Wildlife Law already prohibits hunting in Costa Rica, and sets fines of up to ₡1.5 million (some $2,600) for those responsible for killing a wild animal.' 1780326;1517613192;mircea_popescu;anyway, shooting a toucan / cougar / etc seems pretty retarded. and nfi why you'd come all the way over here for fawn when you can just go to midwest like sane people. 1780327;1517613218;asciilifeform;giant nature preserve, huh. 1780328;1517613225;asciilifeform;i wonder if even jaguar can still be met with in cr 1780329;1517613238;mircea_popescu;supposedly. tho i'd personally not really want to. 1780330;1517613240;asciilifeform;does the paper have a column for 'this year, eaten by jaguar' 1780331;1517613263;mircea_popescu;lol nah. jaguar is shy, not some kind of batman. 1780332;1517613320;asciilifeform;the natives managed to get eaten on occasion 1780333;1517613346;asciilifeform;( big cat, gotta eat sumthing, neh ) 1780334;1517613352;mircea_popescu;nothing like tiger, that actively stalks villages / takes babies. 1780335;1517613441;asciilifeform;would be nifty to see an ocelot. 1780336;1517613453;asciilifeform;( ~scale model jaguar, almost ) 1780337;1517613503;mircea_popescu;problem with wild felines is that meeting is neither good for you nor for them. 1780338;1517613515;mircea_popescu;i prefer to encounter the bipedal kind instead. more fun, and good for all around. 1780339;1517613610;asciilifeform;eh, not to take ocelot home, only to see him. 1780340;1517613638;mircea_popescu;if it panics and charges you you'll have to kill it, which is at best regrettable. meeting's not good for you. 1780341;1517613653;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't and runs away it'll still remember the encounter. not good for it. 1780342;1517613691;asciilifeform;small beast, still charges ? 1780343;1517613711;mircea_popescu;well odds are you don't know where you are and what you just stepped on. 1780344;1517613731;asciilifeform;also possibly debatable re whether learning to fear men , is good for beast or not 1780345;1517613735;mircea_popescu;not like they signal anything properly in this country.\ 1780346;1517613760;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems deductively self-evident that the superlative state of wildness is "has never seen man". 1780347;1517613761;asciilifeform;i suspect that ocelot who knows to head other way when bipedal monsters appear, lives longer 1780348;1517613837;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779483 << this is a crappy idea. 1780349;1517613837;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:07 asciilifeform: then it oughta be in sections, and the sections in small manifest. merkle-style. 1780350;1517613855;asciilifeform;wai'sthat 1780351;1517613880;mircea_popescu;for the same reason "we cut gcc into more files, it is less big now" makes no sense. 1780352;1517613893;asciilifeform;i dun see the relation at all. 1780353;1517613917;asciilifeform;if i want to know which of 10,000,000 files on a remote site changed, there is no fucking reason why i should have to download a list of 10,000,000 hashes, rather than binarysearch. 1780354;1517613922;asciilifeform;beginning with 1 hash of whole thing 1780355;1517613925;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779491 << moreover, a hash rather than a date would be the correct response here. 1780356;1517613925;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:10 trinque: "do I already have the item at $path" and "how big is the item at $path" are interesting questions without the server beginning to transmit the item itself. 1780357;1517613928;asciilifeform;which may well have not changed in decade. 1780358;1517613942;mircea_popescu;i don't care to hear "item was put here on incatime so and so" ; just let me know what its hash is. 1780359;1517613969;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, we're actually saying the exact same thing, i misunderstood what manifest you had in mind. 1780360;1517613982;asciilifeform;aha, i think mircea_popescu gets it 1780361;1517614037;mircea_popescu;but yes, no argument that "modified" q being handled by timedate is beyond idiotic and has no future. 1780362;1517614113;mircea_popescu;the other perhaps important point is that extant http servers have a very loose and distant relation to fs. 1780363;1517614119;mircea_popescu;tightening that bolt may deliver great results. 1780364;1517614139;mircea_popescu;there is ~nothing wrong~ with http server NOT using standard fs but https-special fs. 1780365;1517614169;asciilifeform;right, internally emulated. this was part of asciilifeform's chalkboard sketch for 'sane http serv' in fact 1780366;1517614170;mircea_popescu;and it is a fact that a server's needs towards the disk are specific, specifiable, and very visibly different from "general purpose" 1780367;1517614180;asciilifeform;see, i want an os-less thing. 1780368;1517614196;asciilifeform;planted in linuxbios payload-rom, on , say, pcenginesbox 1780369;1517614198;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the tightening point may be the very merkle tree in question, which could, for instance, be directly the addressing scheme 1780370;1517614203;asciilifeform;right 1780371;1517614211;mircea_popescu;disk keeps a journaling and server keeps a manifesting ? gimme a break. 1780372;1517614212;asciilifeform;iirc trinque had an actual algo, but not posted yet 1780373;1517614251;asciilifeform;but really there's no reason why a server needs unixclone os etc. build small bin with gnat, that knows how to run the nic, has basic ip stack. 1780374;1517614262;mircea_popescu;conceivably. 1780375;1517614282;mircea_popescu;opt out ofd the whole strings idiocy altogether 1780376;1517614384;*;ben_vulpes stomps floor, pounds table 1780377;1517614388;mod6;Fuckers. 1780378;1517614402;asciilifeform;waiwat 1780379;1517614405;mod6;They shot the thing with a fuckin bb gun, and it died extra slow. That kinda pisses me off. 1780380;1517614412;asciilifeform;aa 1780381;1517614453;mod6;Sorry, got pulled off for a momemnt, just reading this thing. I dunno if they need laws for that kinda thing, just kinda not what is supposed to happen though. 1780382;1517614457;*;asciilifeform took a few sec to recall that this was about the bird 1780383;1517614472;asciilifeform;thought 'hmm who lost server to bb gun...' 1780384;1517614477;mod6;lol. 1780385;1517614482;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1780191 << fyi darkhttpd is missing POST (i grabbed it to see if i could trivially extend their verb dictionary, which i can) 1780386;1517614482;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 22:30 asciilifeform: fwiw i'm still quite convinced that errything other than GET and PUT is ~= prb orphanage. 1780387;1517614491;mircea_popescu;mod6 some fucking sense would help. but the truth is toucan is eaten here traditionally 1780388;1517614501;mod6;ah. yes, sense indeed. 1780389;1517614505;mircea_popescu;and the rurals really dun give a shit some dumb broad hoping to study criminology in maryland thinks 1780390;1517614519;asciilifeform;phf: it isn't even clear to me why we need both PUT and POST 1780391;1517614543;mircea_popescu;how are these the same thing ? 1780392;1517614551;asciilifeform;they do ~same thing ? 1780393;1517614573;mircea_popescu;put uploads a file, post makes a get with the params in a different encoding 1780394;1517614603;asciilifeform;opposite 1780395;1517614608;mircea_popescu;anyway, idea being post is closer to get than to put 1780396;1517614680;asciilifeform;why exactly is the 'get with the params in a different encoding' needed tho 1780397;1517614689;mircea_popescu;because limit on url length. 1780398;1517614695;mircea_popescu;at least, that's how it was born. 1780399;1517614703;asciilifeform;ugh 1780400;1517614738;mircea_popescu;basically, people had a scheme, then started stuffing data in it (get was born) then stuffed so much discovered it really should go INSIDE the envelope not on it, so post was born 1780401;1517614744;mircea_popescu;moving http from postcards to mail. 1780402;1517614784;asciilifeform;i dun think i've ever used PUT... hey trinque ? phf ? ever used ? 1780403;1517614785;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wha happened ? 1780404;1517614807;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's your blog do when you upload pics, shellout to scp ? 1780405;1517614809;asciilifeform;POST 1780406;1517614815;mircea_popescu;i rather doubt this. 1780407;1517614824;asciilifeform;tho i actually upload pics via ssh 1780408;1517614834;asciilifeform;( my fs is marked readonly , recall ) 1780409;1517614844;mircea_popescu;shellout is always inferior solution, you understand this, yes ? 1780410;1517614852;asciilifeform;wp's text tool uploads with POST tho. 1780411;1517614871;mircea_popescu;a does it ? 1780412;1517614873;asciilifeform;aha 1780413;1517614877;asciilifeform;at least mine does 1780414;1517614916;asciilifeform;PUT is oddball ancient thing, from before anyone even conceived of adding password or whatnot, 'hey, let's let user PUT items at arbitrary url on remote box' rather like ye olde warez ftp 1780415;1517614930;mircea_popescu;kinda too lazy to check. but yes, put is ftp for http. 1780416;1517614942;asciilifeform;recall, same name even back in ftp. 1780417;1517614947;mircea_popescu;yup 1780418;1517614964;*;asciilifeform not so long ago implemented an ftp server from scratch, was interesting exercise 1780419;1517614980;mircea_popescu;classic or the whole sftp wank ? 1780420;1517614986;asciilifeform;bare bone classic 1780421;1517615002;asciilifeform;not whole stack, either, didn't need e.g. dir listing 1780422;1517615020;mircea_popescu;shellout to ls amirite. 1780423;1517615028;asciilifeform;none at all 1780424;1517615132;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779511 << wait, what ? 1780425;1517615132;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:16 asciilifeform: 170 usd for a 20usd label printer, notbad 1780426;1517615165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was re one of BingoBoingo's catalogues, it literally had a gadget i had on my desk , once obtained for 20bux, listed for 170 1780427;1517615195;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: demise of unix os is a thing to rattle swords pon bucklers 'bout 1780428;1517615197;mircea_popescu;$1101+iva honeywell bar code reader too. 1780429;1517615197;asciilifeform;this thing, prints little stickers for e.g. bottles 1780430;1517615211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aaaaha 1780431;1517615250;mircea_popescu;no clear way to sort by u-ness. 1780432;1517615331;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779533 << iirc after a decade trying to fix it it's almost both ways by now 1780433;1517615331;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:25 trinque tries to remember if chunked transfer encoding is both ways with http, or only a response thing 1780434;1517615384;mircea_popescu; But $495 for a $300 in the US ubiquity Edgerouter Pro isn't too bad <<< i.... beg your pardon ?! 1780435;1517615401;mircea_popescu;how the fuck can 65% surcharge be not bad. 1780436;1517615462;asciilifeform;btw 'edgerouter' comes with unabashed nsa backdoor in the vendor's soft 1780437;1517615465;phf; asciilifeform: well, it also doesn't have cgi/fastcgi so post would be somewhat pointless. i'm actually not sure what the strategy for post would be when there's no programmatic way to control it 1780438;1517615479;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779554 << understand the good part here : AFTER we're done building up the racks, we can prolly also sell them. certainly we own a valuable3 item by comparison to the orcs. 1780439;1517615479;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:36 asciilifeform: for comparison, 24core opteron with 256G ram , with 4 ssd disks ( 1TB total , 750 after raid ) , and with the raid card, costs me still < 1700. 1780440;1517615482;asciilifeform;( i wouldn't plug it in even 1nce, 'to try', without ripping out the flash and bsdizing ) 1780441;1517615513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform certainly. kinda why i want this as a collective effort. 1780442;1517615522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: opteron in particular is 'nonrenewable resource' whose future price cannot be put in guaranteed bounds. but yes can sell. 1780443;1517615544;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. let's make a list this weekend so we can action monday. 1780444;1517615552;phf;also if you guys haven't seem http methods from original http2, https://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/Methods.html TEXTSEARCH, CHECKOUT (like GET but locks the file), etc. 1780445;1517615571;mircea_popescu;phf you set on that 13th ? 1780446;1517615577;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma uncrate things, take pics, expect a roundup sunday night. 1780447;1517615613;asciilifeform;phf: my personal favourite, DELETE 1780448;1517615617;mircea_popescu;lol 1780449;1517615625;mircea_popescu;i dun think we need any delete. 1780450;1517615633;asciilifeform;srsly, picture this, 'i'ma let randos DELETE whatever file' 1780451;1517615664;phf;mircea_popescu: i thikn that's what we're going to do, but i need to confirm my schedule. i'm still at the office, so i'll confirm in the morning 1780452;1517615672;mircea_popescu;phf works. 1780453;1517615727;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779566 << usually shop at end of campus. 1780454;1517615727;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:40 phf: i suspect local orcs have alternative paths for procurement, was sop in russia in the 90s. you could go to "official dealer" type place and pay 10x, or you would haggle for price at Gorbushka, bazar style 1780455;1517615742;mircea_popescu;i bought the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778739 item there, for instance. 1780456;1517615742;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 13:56 mp_en_viaje: in other "thanks goodness computer means programmable machine", i have here this hp elitebook. it has the backlight permanently welded to "retina cancer". the "function" key bs works for everything else EXCEPT setting the brightness, fn-f9 does 0. 1780457;1517615742;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i already found that i had a 1U intel 'xeon' box, also usable , from years ago... 1780458;1517615747;mircea_popescu;i dun recall what it was, like $200 1780459;1517615786;mircea_popescu;phf problem with that item is that it always has counterstrike videocards rarely server rack mobos. 1780460;1517615808;asciilifeform;aaactually university surplus is top source of gear for asciilifeform 1780461;1517615816;asciilifeform;in re industrial items in particular 1780462;1517615819;mircea_popescu;and, continuing elitebook thread, now that alf fixed it for me it's actually worth the money. 1780463;1517615828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform us uni not ru uni. 1780464;1517615831;asciilifeform;( they have errything from electron microscope to crapple ) 1780465;1517615832;asciilifeform;aa yes 1780466;1517615843;asciilifeform;tho i have nfi , possibly modern ru also has something of the kind 1780467;1517615873;asciilifeform;oh hm mircea_popescu found the screen brightness magic number ? 1780468;1517615882;asciilifeform;or is this re the 'push button at boot' item 1780469;1517615904;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779569 << i paid about 6-8% of the vat i conceivably owed in argentina ; mostly in the shape of "who the fuck's gonna bother with the 80 cent surcharge on this pair of ho's stockings" 1780470;1517615904;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:41 asciilifeform: phf: i strongly suspect that nobody but gringo rubes ever order from these Official catalogues, or pay ANY vat, EVER 1780471;1517615916;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the push button at boot. 1780472;1517615917;asciilifeform;yea wasn't thinking of 'shoe vat' 1780473;1517615918;asciilifeform;aa 1780474;1517615940;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779566 << usually shop at end of campus. << Spanish Class with the Venezolana this evening was an survey of local retailers that don't catalog 1780475;1517615940;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:40 phf: i suspect local orcs have alternative paths for procurement, was sop in russia in the 90s. you could go to "official dealer" type place and pay 10x, or you would haggle for price at Gorbushka, bazar style 1780476;1517615952;mircea_popescu;"me discuenta por efectivo" pretty much universal keyword re "no vat" 1780477;1517616097;mircea_popescu;in other sadnesses, why the fuck do the spanish oversalt the anchovies paste. 1780478;1517616208;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779773 << 161.0.121.253 have a ns1.qntra.net set up there and a ns2.qntra.net at 161.0.121.252 1780479;1517616208;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 20:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pardon my thickness, where do you want qntra ns pointed again ? ideally in the format ns1= ns2= 1780480;1517616222;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hang on a sec. 1780481;1517616476;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and qntra itself ? 1780482;1517616494;BingoBoingo;161.0.121.253 1780483;1517616571;mircea_popescu;ok, you have 3 a records now, empty to that and a ns1 ns2 as quoted. 1780484;1517616580;mircea_popescu;let me know if anything else needed. 1780485;1517616614;mircea_popescu;namesilo says they advertise ~15 mins, ftr. 1780486;1517616657;BingoBoingo;Muchas gracias 1780487;1517616720;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779585 << i suspect the ~only reason this is not in the standard is ~nobody wants to confront just about how little they actually have to say. 1780488;1517616720;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:49 asciilifeform: phf: imho 'what, if anything changed' is a q that oughta be answered by a mechanism that can do it, when (as often is) wanted for the ~entire site~ compactly 1780489;1517616744;mircea_popescu;but consider if you will the problem of dynamic content. every one (of what, 10k ?) pages on trilema changes at least once a day (header), and so on. what now ? 1780490;1517616780;asciilifeform;the whole 'dynamic pages' thing is a terrifying hack on classical http 1780491;1517616791;mircea_popescu;um. 1780492;1517616802;asciilifeform;( where we pretend that we're serving up files, but really generate on the fly ) 1780493;1517616817;mircea_popescu;i don't see it. i see "logins" as broadly nonsensical ; but programmable webserver seems fine. 1780494;1517616845;asciilifeform;recall the thread with the url abstraction 1780495;1517616859;asciilifeform;originally url was supposed to work like phuctor urls worked 1780496;1517616870;asciilifeform;i.e. you saw url once, and forever you know what it behind it 1780497;1517616886;mircea_popescu;so you loathe my changing header ? 1780498;1517616923;asciilifeform;not the header; nor that posts are editable (i've added errata edits to mine, etc) , but rather the ugliness of the kludge stack 1780499;1517616982;mircea_popescu;i dun see it in a design perspective ; heck, i actually doin't even see the problem with php. (by the time you're protesting a text preprocessor being used as a systems language your problem is not properly speaking with the tool). 1780500;1517616986;asciilifeform;prolly the way to unkludge it would be to give the various elements of the page, own urls, somehow. 1780501;1517616991;phf;the notion of "static content" is a c-machine-ism 1780502;1517616995;mircea_popescu;this said, the implementation is in fact kludgy, but this is no reason to alter the design. 1780503;1517617003;asciilifeform;phf: it is also a v-ism, that's the thing 1780504;1517617007;asciilifeform;you gotta have some notion of statics. 1780505;1517617018;mircea_popescu;phf he was headed straight into "no such thing as static content, you can discover this whenever you re-read the same words in a trilema article", but he sidestepped. 1780506;1517617035;mircea_popescu;i think ferocranium of many knocks learns some intuitive avoidance. 1780507;1517617041;asciilifeform;lol 1780508;1517617091;mircea_popescu;actually, let's meditate together upon the following item, perhaps it resolves some subtle issues : 1780509;1517617115;asciilifeform;( btw, the trinque thread, ftr : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709083 ) 1780510;1517617115;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 19:54 trinque: the hash says what item I want 1780511;1517617120;mircea_popescu;echo $banners[hexdec(substr(md5(date("F jS, Y")),7,6))%42] . ".jpg') << blabla. 1780512;1517617142;mircea_popescu;now, what is the problem with non-static page ? 1780513;1517617172;asciilifeform;well for instance, that there's no way to link to it such that the receiver of the link is guaranteed to see the same thing. 1780514;1517617187;mircea_popescu;well, same thing for all users on same day. 1780515;1517617188;asciilifeform;nor is there any way to link to an internal element of it ( sorta why mircea_popescu had to write his js hack ) 1780516;1517617191;mircea_popescu;so technically thjere is way 1780517;1517617201;asciilifeform;right, but no way to guarantee it 1780518;1517617203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is discussing the header production only. 1780519;1517617221;asciilifeform;the current hack around this is the archiver. but it is a hack. 1780520;1517617227;mircea_popescu;well, the baked in assumption here is that the tits, great as they are, benefit from impredictable dress prison each day. 1780521;1517617255;asciilifeform;imho dynamics oughta have a marked-as-separate form of addressing. e.g. dyn:// . 1780522;1517617256;mircea_popescu;that's the major challenge : can the argument be constructed to see what is actually wrong with that piece of gnarl ? 1780523;1517617265;mircea_popescu;it evidently crosses all conceivable sanity boundries. so ? 1780524;1517617309;asciilifeform;this goes back to the trinque thread, where he (correctly) observed that 'gimme resource R, find it using hash H' is a separate, conceptually, entity from 'perform command C and return result R' 1780525;1517617328;mircea_popescu;(for convenience, in pesudocode : select from an array of possible headers the one which corresponds to the remainder of dividing by 42 the number you obtain by converting from hexadecimal format the string you obtain by taking 6 characters from the 7th of the md5 hash of the current date) 1780526;1517617361;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in that one is imperative and the other descriptive so to speak. 1780527;1517617369;asciilifeform;right! 1780528;1517617374;mircea_popescu;"find a thing such as x" vs "follow steps x give whatever comes out" 1780529;1517617379;asciilifeform;exactly that. 1780530;1517617391;mircea_popescu;yes but... 1780531;1517617419;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's angle is that it is wrong that there is no sane scheme for distinguishing these. and likewise for properly handling the fact that most of what people do with 'dynamic' is really kludge to display bouquets of statics properly 1780532;1517617452;mircea_popescu;the latter part is what we have issue with. 1780533;1517617488;mircea_popescu;can you actually say the above snippet is "really kludge to display bouquets of statics properly" ? 1780534;1517617494;mircea_popescu;seems to me it's a thing unto itself. 1780535;1517617503;asciilifeform;one possible pill, 1780536;1517617518;asciilifeform;to take hash of ~program~ to use as perma-url for dynamics. 1780537;1517617530;asciilifeform;rather than the pseudo-static output (html in this case) 1780538;1517617532;asciilifeform;*of the 1780539;1517617537;mircea_popescu;only if http server runs v native. 1780540;1517617542;asciilifeform;which it oughta. 1780541;1517617550;mircea_popescu;then you could in principle indicate WHICH LEAF you even permit. 1780542;1517617563;mircea_popescu;"process my data with the press X as identified from your manifest, i don';t trust X'" 1780543;1517617566;asciilifeform;so in this hypothetical, mircea_popescu's trilema url (or rather, the raw hash underneath it) will only change when he changes his generator. 1780544;1517617570;asciilifeform;exactly this. 1780545;1517617573;asciilifeform;which-leaf etc. 1780546;1517617577;asciilifeform;is where i was going . 1780547;1517617583;mircea_popescu;yes but this is a much more integrated v-http server than previously even hinted at. 1780548;1517617596;asciilifeform;this is why asciilifeform even gave a damn to begin with , re 'sane http' 1780549;1517617602;asciilifeform;it is not to swap out apache , no. 1780550;1517617615;mircea_popescu;but you WANT header then ; it is the evident place to report the v-struct 1780551;1517617623;asciilifeform;conceivably. = 1780552;1517617631;asciilifeform;err, . 1780553;1517617644;mircea_popescu;not mere "merkle tree", but actual proper v struct, with seals resources and errything. 1780554;1517617655;mircea_popescu;this is by now SO MUCH HEAVIER than current http... 1780555;1517617667;asciilifeform;i was giving simplified example for 'how classic http ougta have worked' lol 1780556;1517617668;mircea_popescu;not in loc lines necessarily, but in what lifting it actually does, conceptually. 1780557;1517617673;asciilifeform;but yes. 1780558;1517617700;asciilifeform;orig q was , however, re what knobs in traditional http are actually needed, for civilized life 1780559;1517617701;mircea_popescu;and it's a wonder if it'd be actually worth it. consider -- what alternative wp-mps would i maintain on trilema ? 1780560;1517617707;asciilifeform;and which knobs are equiv to DELETE and CHECKOUT 1780561;1517617744;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: edges into a 'causes and purposes' discussion, dunnit. even if trilema doesn't possibly use any such thing, conceivably it is still the Right Thing 1780562;1517617753;asciilifeform;even from 'the code makes internally consistent sense' pov. 1780563;1517617762;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1780564;1517617777;asciilifeform;i can give 1 ready example of a plainly palpable win, even for blogs: 1780565;1517617778;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i confess i've not prior considered the v-http server. 1780566;1517617781;asciilifeform;ease of mirroring 1780567;1517617789;asciilifeform;suddenly no need for magical cache control flags 1780568;1517617791;asciilifeform;and 'varnish' etc 1780569;1517617794;mircea_popescu;in fact, another ready example : rss. 1780570;1517617808;asciilifeform;now anyone who wants to mirror, can. and whoever fetches, knows what he's getting, and how it related to universe. 1780571;1517617813;mircea_popescu;"i want trilema as rss not trilema as main page" or "i want trilema as list of archives not as main page" 1780572;1517617814;mircea_popescu;i dunno. 1780573;1517617829;mircea_popescu;consider the hack i did recently for hanbot 1780574;1517617837;asciilifeform;( y'know, exactly like whoever wants to , can mirror trb universe ) 1780575;1517617851;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770183 << this 1780576;1517617851;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 07:06 mircea_popescu: !~later tell hanbot here's something you might find useful : http://trilema.com/hanbot/ 1780577;1517617866;mircea_popescu;now, this ad hoc hack could have been a proper alt-leaf thing 1780578;1517617875;asciilifeform;aha! 1780579;1517617891;mircea_popescu;rather than unmaintainably clog out my blog and risk being deleted any day now. 1780580;1517617904;asciilifeform;i think mircea_popescu grasps the idea. 1780581;1517617919;mircea_popescu;so in point of fact saying "why would alternate views exist" is facetious, i listed like 4 in five minutes. 1780582;1517617949;asciilifeform;iirc ted nelson actually got stuck on how to do this particular thing. 1780583;1517617956;asciilifeform;i suspect -- because he didn't have v 1780584;1517617962;asciilifeform;!#s transclusion 1780585;1517617962;a111;5 results for "transclusion", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=transclusion 1780586;1517617967;mircea_popescu;it is threateningly complex. 1780587;1517617976;asciilifeform;lethally complex if approached from wrong end, also. 1780588;1517617978;mircea_popescu;consider the machinery that blogs become, in this system 1780589;1517617994;mircea_popescu;no longer a hodge-podge of "plugins" and "themes" haphazard and therefore entirely flat conceoptually. 1780590;1517618006;asciilifeform;( e.g. thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491799 ) 1780591;1517618006;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 03:58 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh, i think wikis are a (braindamaged, dysfunctional, uncomprehending) response to the html-is-broken / transclusion issue discussed yest and etc. 1780592;1517618044;asciilifeform;and yes, flat, and yes, goodbye to link rot. 1780593;1517618059;asciilifeform;this is what www would have been if made by the sane. 1780594;1517618088;asciilifeform;( and i suspect original will not even be muchly remembered , sorta like how ~nobody nostalgiates for ibm mainframe liquishit ) 1780595;1517618095;mircea_popescu;it's not clear it'd do anything for linkrot sadly. 1780596;1517618109;asciilifeform;if correcly made, link can only rot if nobody mirrored. 1780597;1517618141;mircea_popescu;not so. consider : linkrot today means, "you might not have the data original server had". like you lost lispmachine FET say. 1780598;1517618142;asciilifeform;not long ago i loaded a 'torrent' that was first put up ~7yrs ago. because somebody still mirrored. 1780599;1517618156;mircea_popescu;tomorrow, linkrot will thereby mean "you might not have the original data ; OR you might not have the original program". 1780600;1517618195;asciilifeform;the idea is that if you have immutable url-to-payload correspondence, large-scale mirroring ( via , e.g., gossipd wot ) becomes practical. 1780601;1517618203;asciilifeform;of program and statics similarly. 1780602;1517618215;mircea_popescu;"immutable" still enforced by server only. tomorrow i can decide to make a whole diff tree and gl to you. 1780603;1517618226;asciilifeform;you can, but it won't have same handle. 1780604;1517618233;asciilifeform;because , elementarily, doesn't hash to same hash. 1780605;1517618233;mircea_popescu;and the old handles will 404 1780606;1517618245;asciilifeform;right, unless someone cached'em 1780607;1517618251;asciilifeform;there is not a magical pill against deletion 1780608;1517618257;asciilifeform;aside from 'make copy' 1780609;1517618270;mircea_popescu;anyway, this worth moar thinking. 1780610;1517618291;asciilifeform;trinque's dht item also worth writing. ( hey trinque ! ) 1780611;1517618334;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779605 << there is a good argument in favour of overloading meaning into verbs rather than inventing new verbs. an implementation of head as "get with 0 bytes accepted" is actually an improvement over current. 1780612;1517618334;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:56 phf: that's fair, you could do GET with a range of 0 bytes at 0 offset 1780613;1517618362;*;mircea_popescu routinely pulls data from slaves/processes/etcetera with an explicit or implicit size limit and strong conventions as to ordering 1780614;1517618368;mircea_popescu;(most important first etc) 1780615;1517618374;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779272 << mazel tov & well done BingoBoingo ! 1780616;1517618374;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 01:02 mp_en_viaje: but let's not let the praise fall by the wayside just because every successful step opens up so more further steps : nice bb! qntra back on huh! 1780617;1517618393;mircea_popescu;currently there's no equivalent hierarchy of html documents, so they are always sent in order of importance of parts. 1780618;1517618402;mircea_popescu;not evident that this should be as it is. 1780619;1517618429;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and observe that the turdmeisters implemented elaborate hacks ( i.e. realtime DOM modification ) ~just so that ad crapolade loads first~ 1780620;1517618430;mircea_popescu;if my loading of a web page dies 10kb in, i want that 10kb to have contained the article, not some "template" fugly. 1780621;1517618437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oya. 1780622;1517618452;mircea_popescu;or at the very least so "page is not usable until our shit is in" 1780623;1517618454;asciilifeform;~invariably the first MB or so ( i wish this were joak ) contains only liquishit 1780624;1517618460;asciilifeform;aaha 1780625;1517618481;mircea_popescu;quite opposite of sense ; and a much more important ablation target than forgotten/disused http words. 1780626;1517618510;asciilifeform;well that particular pile of shit goes away with js 1780627;1517618527;mircea_popescu;we still need js as much as last time this was discussed, a week ago 1780628;1517618546;asciilifeform;right, though it would win from a staticized url 1780629;1517618566;asciilifeform;( where, say, i can have local list of jsoids signed by actual people, that machine will willingly load, and no others ) 1780630;1517618621;asciilifeform;e.g. 'hey, trilema.com/js/04D9A9AB41E3AD407D8F030658273C2F8D1EC595D3D2D523252FEACF546AF86E.js is in my list, let's use' 1780631;1517618624;mircea_popescu;as that deed was stepping towards, yes 1780632;1517618663;asciilifeform;( and naturally contents keccak to 04D9A9AB41E3AD407D8F030658273C2F8D1EC595D3D2D523252FEACF546AF86E . etc ) 1780633;1517618685;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779611 << how do you reason ? 1780634;1517618685;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:59 trinque: if you tell me offset 0 range 0 I should ignore you entirely 1780635;1517618710;mircea_popescu;if i tell you i wish to see the file x except not any of its content this is logically equivalent, quite directly, to "metadata only plox" 1780636;1517618822;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779620 << is this a rehash of >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583902 ?! 1780637;1517618822;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 17:02 trinque: my statement was that yes ^ and also for the logs "you wouldn't design something where $giveMeNoneOfIt implicitly means a metadata fetch" 1780638;1517618822;a111;Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False 1780639;1517620023;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779633 << all servers had head because it's antique ; ranged requests went through an ebb and flow of implemented, then disabled because implemented wrongly and buffer overflows, then etc. 1780640;1517620023;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 17:06 asciilifeform: now that's fuckedup 1780641;1517620038;mircea_popescu;so yes, head support universal, ranged request support present but not that reliable. 1780642;1517620339;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779643 << trivial to check, issue a head, see if "accept-ranges" is in there. if not -- no support 1780643;1517620339;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 17:08 asciilifeform: why not give example. e.g. 'i crawl www and google doesn't support ranged GET' 1780644;1517620818;mircea_popescu;for instance here's what your server says : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XGPpg/?raw=true 1780645;1517620843;mircea_popescu;and considering what happens in response to curl -v -X GET -H "range: bytes=1-8" www.loper-os.org (full page dump) we can add asciilifeform / nfs to the list of "does not support ranges" 1780646;1517620886;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779651 << the correct statement would be, "you have experiences in good faith and i have imaginations in good faith, that i don't bother to check nor do i ever sit down to reason as to what THAT implies re faith" 1780647;1517620886;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 17:11 asciilifeform: so i suppose we have different personalexperiencesingoodfaith 1780648;1517621181;trinque;the thing's so steeped in "the way things are" I daren't comment further 1780649;1517621223;trinque;sure, if http is understood that it always hands back headers, and these are decided to exclude the "I want an item of x length and no further" then get with range 0 offset 0 would hand back only headers 1780650;1517621241;mircea_popescu;trinque i meant strictly from a logical perspective. 1780651;1517621252;trinque;yeah but that's what fired off the other thread too! 1780652;1517621266;trinque;lol, I was speaking practically. though I'm glad it did prompt the other. 1780653;1517621305;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's not clear that the extant stack of shit is capable of supporting some sort of meaningful practical consideration. 1780654;1517621370;trinque;sql would be a system where I'd consider the metadata properly designed, in that there isn't a difference in the way it's represented, or retrieved 1780655;1517621377;trinque;same tools apply to metadata as everything else 1780656;1517621393;trinque;but me bleeding shoulds all over existing items isn't helpful 1780657;1517621421;mircea_popescu;explain this to me ? 1780658;1517621421;*;trinque is referring to information_schema and the db-specific metadata schemas 1780659;1517621439;trinque;I can select from a table that is the table of columns, for example 1780660;1517621443;mircea_popescu;so sql doesn't have an equivalent of head is the idea ? or doesn't have an equivalent of get 0 size ? 1780661;1517621459;trinque;if I were to hamhandedly bash this into http, there'd be no headers. you'd get that information from another ULR 1780662;1517621462;trinque;*URL 1780663;1517621482;mircea_popescu;but i can get, eg, a table's current index position 1780664;1517621498;mircea_popescu;for the autoincrement metaconstruct. 1780665;1517621523;mircea_popescu;isn't this "tell me about this table for a total of 0 rows" ? 1780666;1517621560;trinque;what is special about that data retrieval, compared to "what's the age of john" ? 1780667;1517621587;trinque;the charge I made was that range 0 is an implicit metadata fetch. why implicit? 1780668;1517621599;mircea_popescu;that one is select john from tabler and the other is show table status. 1780669;1517621617;trinque;if tables were good for storing ages of johns, why not statuses of tables? 1780670;1517621624;mircea_popescu;and this show table status is a proxy for select autoincrtement from inf schema 1780671;1517621631;trinque;sure, that's syntax sugar 1780672;1517621638;trinque;can get curval or w/e in pg 1780673;1517621640;mircea_popescu;right. which is what was contemplated here too. 1780674;1517621682;mircea_popescu;basically whole thing was "Don't implement a special show table status, use the underlying select item from schema directly" 1780675;1517621697;mircea_popescu;"don't have a head, use get size 0" 1780676;1517621734;trinque;right the muntzing of http got conflated (by me, most likely) with how it ought to have been done in the first place 1780677;1517621761;trinque;http doesn't have any sane, orderly data model underlying syntax sugar 1780678;1517621762;mircea_popescu;well the whole thing is one huge napkin doodle shared over the chan as it stands 1780679;1517621763;trinque;it's all sugar 1780680;1517621783;mircea_popescu;(good thing we got the cloud collaborate suite from $corp, too... how could we have gotten this far without ???) 1780681;1517621844;mircea_popescu;trinque the most reliably encountered header in responses is Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 1780682;1517621854;*;trinque doesn't always know how obvious his line of reasoning is until it bounces off another at velocity 1780683;1517621857;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder, text, html and utf-8. some data type. 1780684;1517621880;mircea_popescu;"our data type is vector list array, tyvm & come again!" 1780685;1517621882;trinque;exactly that, the thing keisters away data in whatever fold of fat some autist found at the moment 1780686;1517622000;trinque;incidentally I've been working on moving the entire concept out of my head in such threads, in contrast to the old thread in question. 1780687;1517622012;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1780688;1517622015;trinque;in this case sums to: republican HTTP may ulcer alf further. 1780689;1517622039;trinque;oh, I blew my stack in the thread you linked mostly because of my own radiation damage 1780690;1517622088;mircea_popescu;i'm lost ; say what ? 1780691;1517622221;trinque;old thread was on python, and the behavior of some looping constructs or w/e, didn't match set theory 1780692;1517622233;trinque;or one did, one did not, whatever it was 1780693;1517622241;trinque;same thing's going to happen in a thread on HTTP 1780694;1517622303;mircea_popescu;the reason i linked the two items was, that you had a paradoxical result evaluating logical implication of negated absence in there ; and a paradoxical result evaluating predicated nothingness, here. seem to me intuitively they're related to some sort of 0-difficulty you have. 1780695;1517622324;trinque;you didn't get back zero in the latter case 1780696;1517622332;trinque;you got however many bytes of headerstuff 1780697;1517622344;mircea_popescu;but that's not the meaning of the 0. 1780698;1517622358;mircea_popescu;you're asking for 0 bits of X, not for 0 bits altogether. 1780699;1517622386;mircea_popescu;and if you say "i'm interested in x but in 0 bits of it" the logical implication is that you're only interested in any meta-x may be available. which yes might be null, but also doesn't have to be. 1780700;1517622414;mircea_popescu;similar to trinque goes into santaria shop, "do you have any bibles ?" "yes, shall i read you from it ?" "no, thanks. how much for one ?" 1780701;1517622414;trinque;why would you imply it in that manner, and it's understood you may want potentially boundless metadata 1780702;1517622433;trinque;rather than specify what question you may have about the thing specifically 1780703;1517622434;mircea_popescu;this is a major flaw of the "design" such as it is, that yes you're asking for potentially infinite metadata. 1780704;1517622436;mircea_popescu;through header too. 1780705;1517622447;mircea_popescu;trinque because you don't know what questions may be asked, is the idea. 1780706;1517622466;trinque;the inability to ask specific questions is another massive failing of the thing 1780707;1517622481;trinque;"oh here's the filesize and content type and also here's what the server had for breakfast" 1780708;1517622485;mircea_popescu;well you don;t know what you don't know. exactly as in the slavery threads. 1780709;1517622497;trinque;taxonomy of metadata is not impossible 1780710;1517622501;mircea_popescu;(practically, they just didn't feel like making one verb per thing, because it'd have ended all sgml.) 1780711;1517622516;mircea_popescu;but anyway -- you can even now make a server return ~infinite headers if you wish. 1780712;1517622516;trinque;sql has this already, on earth. 1780713;1517622532;trinque;I can go query what tables have a column of particular type 1780714;1517622535;trinque;or whatever else I like 1780715;1517622691;mircea_popescu;yes, but the thing still starts with describe or w/e it's called 1780716;1517622698;trinque;it doesn't. 1780717;1517622708;trinque;select * from information_schema.column where ... 1780718;1517622743;mircea_popescu;right, everything is selects in the end, 1780719;1517622768;mircea_popescu;but you don;t know what to put in the where to begin with. so you get potentially boundless piles of metadata. 1780720;1517622858;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779674 << not practically. 2kb max size or what was it, won't get you far. 1780721;1517622858;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 17:26 phf: we can reduce everything to just get requests (cut the headers, too, except for Content-Length), where ranges are done by "/downloads?file=...&start=...&end" 1780722;1517623079;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779676 << this is not so. looking through trilema's : X-Pingback: http://trilema.com/xmlrpc.php is essential for the whole pingback functionality, which i deem a prime class. off top of head cache-control is probably also useful, as it tells the client the very useful bit of whether server deems resopurce is type 1 or type 2 in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780528 sense ; Location: http 1780723;1517623079;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 17:27 phf: content-type is a meaningless header, since that's up to client to decide anyway (and it's frequently misconfigured), all the other headers are straight up metadata fluff. 1780724;1517623079;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 00:22 mircea_popescu: "find a thing such as x" vs "follow steps x give whatever comes out" 1780725;1517623079;mircea_popescu;://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ as a complement to 302 response also quite useful. 1780726;1517623121;mircea_popescu;you'll also probably have trouble without a connection: close signal, and so on. 1780727;1517623258;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779704 << i recall looking into it few years ago and not being impresse.d 1780728;1517623258;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 18:02 BingoBoingo: I will have to dig that up, but it is not trivial and requires having a foreign corporation in the loop somewhere. Perhaps someone with a corp that is offshore to Uruguay can inquire? Depends on the revenue reported and a whole bunch of other miscellanea. 1780729;1517623343;mircea_popescu;aaand thereby log eaten. mazel tov. 1780730;1517623446;*;trinque afk for a bit 1780731;1517623713;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, the day's log page is fulla non-linking links as a result of http being the discussion 1780732;1517624571;doppler;haha 1780733;1517624674;doppler;is that just a matter of a regex needing updated? 1780734;1517624794;ben_vulpes;https://blog.positive.com/predicting-random-numbers-in-ethereum-smart-contracts-e5358c6b8620 << prnglolz 1780735;1517627817;mod6;node is still caught up. wewt 1780736;1517629357;shinohai;gg mod6 1780737;1517633066;mod6;ty! 1780738;1517633537;ben_vulpes;guy delivering servers today wanted to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me to sign?" 1780739;1517633593;mod6;im dying 1780740;1517653635;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes hey, imagine all the idle posturing going on in every tiny social group. kids used to be hackers, after being secret agents, after being you know. 1780741;1517653639;mircea_popescu;mod6 what of ? 1780742;1517663615;PeterL;!!v 8625F2F43A521F78E34FD7D88C65784ACC911E3323A94F9DF8EEFCD5092C7F90 1780743;1517663615;deedbot;PeterL unrated kakobrekla. 1780744;1517668146;ReadErr;https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/technology/cryptocurrency-puerto-rico.html 1780745;1517670130;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780645 << you'd be amazed at what else it dun support. ultra-cut-down item. 1780746;1517670130;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 01:20 mircea_popescu: and considering what happens in response to curl -v -X GET -H "range: bytes=1-8" www.loper-os.org (full page dump) we can add asciilifeform / nfs to the list of "does not support ranges" 1780747;1517670197;asciilifeform;but i suspect phf is right, and ranged-GET evaporated ~everywhere while asciilifeform slept in his cave. 1780748;1517670203;asciilifeform;fwiw 1780749;1517670405;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780711 << sorta the fundamental braindamage of html ( and all 'plaintextist' protocols, period ) -- that they lack 'and HERE is EXACTLY how many bytes will follow' 1780750;1517670405;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 01:48 mircea_popescu: but anyway -- you can even now make a server return ~infinite headers if you wish. 1780751;1517670437;asciilifeform;listener is stuck waiting for his memory, and patience, to run out 1780752;1517670482;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780738 << why is it that ben_vulpes gets the nosy deliverymen, and asciilifeform not!111 1780753;1517670482;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 04:52 ben_vulpes: guy delivering servers today wanted to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me to sign?" 1780754;1517670505;asciilifeform;nobody ever asks asciilifeform 'what is the 100kg of crate'. 1780755;1517670540;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780744 << lol complete with pedo brock 1780756;1517670540;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 14:29 ReadErr: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/technology/cryptocurrency-puerto-rico.html 1780757;1517670581;asciilifeform;hilarious buncha idjits, 'let's all move to 1 usg reservation and feed the waterfall there while awaiting cokemachine' 1780758;1517670603;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1780759;1517670612;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9405.0, vol: 21008.47772549 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9445.9, vol: 60871.97237583 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9390.0, vol: 9260.56420663 | Volume-weighted last average: 9430.79250653 1780760;1517670625;asciilifeform;!!reputation ReadErr 1780761;1517670626;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZUuG8/?raw=true 1780762;1517675052;phf;http://paste.lisp.org << "Due to continued abuse, this service has been discontinued" 1780763;1517675060;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 1780764;1517675067;asciilifeform;whose was it anyway 1780765;1517675163;phf;i don't know 1780766;1517675376;phf;i think mp had a conversation with someone from #lisp, and someone was responding as if in authority, but you never know 1780767;1517675401;asciilifeform;info pg mentions a Erik Enge and a Brian Mastenbrook 1780768;1517675409;asciilifeform;i have nfi who they were/are 1780769;1517675424;asciilifeform;or nm, those were authors of the proggy 1780770;1517675432;asciilifeform;not necessarily operators of the paste www 1780771;1517675471;asciilifeform;eh well, another 'allcomers' item bites the dust. 1780772;1517675837;phf;well, we don't really have non-allcomers web systems ourselves. the only example from past is mp's retired token system 1780773;1517675869;asciilifeform;the items that only work from in-chan are close enuff 1780774;1517675874;asciilifeform;e.g. pehbot 1780775;1517675934;phf;i suppose it hinges on definition of "web systems". trinque's static thing that only takes input from channel i suppose qualifies and is exception to what i'm saying 1780776;1517677053;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780757 << all they're good for. 1780777;1517677053;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 15:09 asciilifeform: hilarious buncha idjits, 'let's all move to 1 usg reservation and feed the waterfall there while awaiting cokemachine' 1780778;1517677056;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780744 << "Mr. Pierce walked around the tree and said prayers for Puertopia, holding a rusted wrench he had picked up in the territory. He kissed an old man's feet. He blessed a crystal in the water, as they all watched. He played the Chaplin speech to everyone and to the tree, Mr. Nygard said." 1780779;1517677056;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 14:29 ReadErr: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/technology/cryptocurrency-puerto-rico.html 1780780;1517677144;mircea_popescu;so for the last day i've been working on this bogota megapost. hopefully i fucking finish it today jesus. 1780781;1517678946;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ << Bingo Blog - Pricing Information: Fun With Numbers 1780782;1517680688;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 what of ? << was just laughin hard at ben's delivery guy. 1780783;1517680694;mircea_popescu;:p 1780784;1517681492;BingoBoingo;In other Pais Pobre: "The idea that makes tPanel unique compared to other web hosting control panels is that the software does not require any root/shell access to function. Instead, it’s more of a manager for people who have ambitions to start a web host on their shared web hosting plan." - http://www.gnutoolbox.com/tpanel/ 1780785;1517681686;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1780786;1517682528;BingoBoingo;Because, you know... The "shared" word is in there. 1780787;1517688112;phf;mircea_popescu: alright, i cleared my schedule for that general period, i'll look at flights again tonight and we can just go with whatever works out best financially 1780788;1517688163;mircea_popescu;works. 1780789;1517688217;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780773 << ftr this is how I'm currently designing "!Qarchive-bulk-download" to work. Bot will check with deedbot for a key registered, then verify good wot standing in my L1. No allcomers allowed! 1780790;1517688217;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 16:37 asciilifeform: the items that only work from in-chan are close enuff 1780791;1517689119;mircea_popescu;works. 1780792;1517690262;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/ << Trilema - Bogota, a mixed bag 1780793;1517691649;mircea_popescu;in other sads, we discover that the trilema pics sum up to almost 3gb these days ;/ 1780794;1517700371;mod6;wow, nice pics from bogota tho! 1780795;1517700886;mircea_popescu;yeah, how about happy gold guy 1780796;1517700945;mod6;yeah, the raw emeralds too 1780797;1517700949;mircea_popescu;in other lulzy lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7ujeoz/i_wonder_how_long_it_will_take_for_the_other_sub/ 1780798;1517701002;mircea_popescu;what happened, anyway ? that got the rats so rattled 1780799;1517701118;mircea_popescu;mod6 sadly i didn't have the time to check out the emeralds museum also, apparently this exists. 1780800;1517701151;mod6;oh, a whole one for just that huh. kinda neat. 1780801;1517701177;mircea_popescu;afaik for most of history most emeralds came from them. 1780802;1517701218;mircea_popescu;apparently they also have a jewelry shop right in the museum. and a simulated mine. it was the next item on the list, but there's only so much you can cram into four days of fucking & drinking. 1780803;1517701333;ben_vulpes;trinque: you said you had to go gcc 6 -> 5 -> 4, right? 1780804;1517701333;mod6;yeah, makes sense. maybe something for next time 'eh 1780805;1517701373;mircea_popescu;i dun really think i want to go back. 1780806;1517701382;mod6;fair enough. 1780807;1517702047;mod6;from the higher up shots of the city, it is quite big isn't it. 1780808;1517702143;mod6;wow, the plateau is @ 8660 ft above sea level too. didn't realize that. 1780809;1517702826;mircea_popescu;yeah. the place where i took those pics was 3200 meters 1780810;1517702830;mircea_popescu;city itself is like 2700 1780811;1517702915;mircea_popescu;(3200 m ~= 10.5 k feet) 1780812;1517703278;mircea_popescu;and i tell you, it winds you. there were some inclines/stairs up there i had to take in two portions. 1780813;1517703454;mod6;oh sure. if you're not used to that type of elevation, can take a lot out of you indeed. 1780814;1517703599;mircea_popescu;wtf is edge browser anyway 1780815;1517703635;ben_vulpes;totally not a relabeled IE 1780816;1517703644;mircea_popescu;oh 1780817;1517703655;mircea_popescu;i thought it's the browser you get if you can't afford orgasm. 1780818;1517704142;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at python balls, http://78.media.tumblr.com/c0c8daa0e7ab2cfc32acc93af097347d/tumblr_ngfwxd1G6h1qega1vo1_1280.jpg 1780819;1517704547;mircea_popescu;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779624 : $ cat trilema.txt | grep -c '"HEAD ' > 5936. this is about 9 hours' worth of log. turns out mp-wp uses head to make sure pictures uploaded correctly ; turns out a lot of economical browsers use head on pics on a page prior to loading them, to check if they already have them in the cache. 1780820;1517704547;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 17:03 asciilifeform: i dun even propose to kill HEAD because it is complicated to implement -- it isn't, as i understand. but because 'nobody but pinoys ever seemed to issue a HEAD at asciilifeform's www, in decade+' 1780821;1517704552;mircea_popescu;apparently if filename matches. 1780822;1517704604;asciilifeform;i guess i needed a www with moar gas-modem-powered readers, to find this out. 1780823;1517704629;*;asciilifeform still somewhere in first 20% of mircea_popescu's photovoyage 1780824;1517704631;mircea_popescu;seems, finally, various "fight linkrot" mechanisms use head to check if item linked sitll exists. 1780825;1517704654;mircea_popescu;conceivably they nuke the local link if head fails or somesuch. 1780826;1517704671;asciilifeform;seems like stuck with GET, POST, HEAD . ( still waiting to hear a defense of PUT ) 1780827;1517704682;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's pretty humongous, i suppose i just wrote a magazine by myself. 1780828;1517704707;asciilifeform;currently reading the vintage ro docz. 1780829;1517704723;asciilifeform;the marvel is that, picture american 'declassified' turds from same period, recall how they look like chessboards 1780830;1517704730;mircea_popescu;aha! 1780831;1517704731;asciilifeform;with what every other word even TODAY censored 1780832;1517704764;mircea_popescu;however, these are a) from commie times so nobody much cares and b) the most benign of nothingness, what press releases were being shuttled. im not even sure they were ciphered originally. 1780833;1517704798;asciilifeform;usg only recently released various minutiae from 1945, and ~even it~ with gaps 1780834;1517704810;asciilifeform;they dun seem to have a 'nobody cares' mode 1780835;1517704812;mircea_popescu;yes, but usg harbors hallucinations of continuity. 1780836;1517704815;asciilifeform;right. 1780837;1517704898;mircea_popescu;anyway, kinda why i included them. afaik there exists nowhere online such a thing, for the inquiring mind that might wish to know how ro declassified documents look in the first place. 1780838;1517704919;mircea_popescu;tho there's lots of them floating about in rosphere, as there was a lot of wranglking about political policing and so on. 1780839;1517704936;*;asciilifeform enjoys embassies. doesn't actually know anyone who works in'em, however; but where asciilifeform lives they every year have a festival where 'look how great is our goatfuckistan, and how mighty its embassy, have some liquor, ' etc 1780840;1517704974;mircea_popescu;so while pretty much every adult romanian saw at least one (often enough in the shape of, hey, do you know this guy you've been frioends for 30 years with, since chiuldhood ? well he was trying to fuck your wife and get you imprisoned), apparently there's a NOFORN clause implicit or something, 0 internets. 1780841;1517705051;asciilifeform;the ro-themed wikilick ( mircea_popescu-powered, even, in the early burst iirc ) also counts, neh 1780842;1517705377;mircea_popescu;well depends. sure, counts,. but i meant as the physical photocopy as such 1780843;1517705383;mircea_popescu;i dunno, minor point i guess 1780844;1517705387;mircea_popescu;i like to see actual items. 1780845;1517705474;asciilifeform;dunno if i personally could tell actual-1974-shoemaker's-own-typewriter from artful fake typed on the timis museum one 1780846;1517705477;asciilifeform;but possibly mircea_popescu could 1780847;1517705487;mircea_popescu;i can, definitely. 1780848;1517705497;asciilifeform;curious how 1780849;1517705498;mircea_popescu;including the iliterate signatures. 1780850;1517705552;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thousand little clues, like the quality of the tape, the worn-ness of the letterheads, types of typing mistakes (eg, misspelling were unpermitted, missing space uniting words sometimes tolerated, many such tiny details) 1780851;1517705574;mircea_popescu;if you spend enough time with anything you end up with an idea of how it goes, be it wine or typewriter era paperwork. 1780852;1517705601;asciilifeform;ah this much is not surprising, i presumed it under 'artful fake' 1780853;1517705623;asciilifeform;naturally you'd use worn ribbon, omit occasional space + never misspelling 1780854;1517705643;mircea_popescu;infinitely artful fake is definitionally undetectable neh. 1780855;1517705650;asciilifeform;tru 1780856;1517705788;mircea_popescu;(maria groza, often mentioned there, deputy foreign minister at the time, even made it in "women's movement antologies" and whatnot. 1780857;1517705817;asciilifeform;any relation to petru ? 1780858;1517705845;mircea_popescu;not afaik. not that uncommon a name. 1780859;1517706036;asciilifeform;the hruscheba in the last pic is a winner. loox almost as if it came with 0 windows originally, and only the brave souls who chopped out their own, nao have one or two 1780860;1517706116;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1780861;1517706427;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/bogota-101.jpg << holyfuq cruelty to glyphs 1780862;1517706442;asciilifeform;wat did cyrillic ever do to these folx 1780863;1517706510;mircea_popescu;lel 1780864;1517706513;asciilifeform;( prolly wants to be 'что у трезвого на уме то у пьяного на языке' ) 1780865;1517706522;mircea_popescu;something like that 1780866;1517706525;mircea_popescu;i thought you'd appreciate. 1780867;1517706732;*;asciilifeform finally eaten article 1780868;1517706739;asciilifeform;loox like a perfectly-serviceable bananistan 1780869;1517706764;asciilifeform;( or rather, i dun notice any substantial diff in flavour vs mircea_popescu's cr pics ) 1780870;1517707123;mircea_popescu;the people are a lot closer to the argentinian (pompous, inept, idle) than the tico (eager, voluble, extrovert) ; there's better night life but the 550 mm barometer is unpleasant ; much larger town but virtually no wild life ; arguably better food in restaurants, but i do prefer my slavegirls cooking anyway. and so on. 1780871;1517707144;asciilifeform;barometer one gets used to, neh 1780872;1517707151;asciilifeform;if you were to camp out there for month+ 1780873;1517707155;mircea_popescu;so used he gets an aneurism at 55. 1780874;1517707170;mircea_popescu;it's not a healthy environment. 1780875;1517707184;mircea_popescu;and the gray in the altitude pics, that's smog. 1780876;1517707194;*;asciilifeform doesn't know if he's ever even been to a 'healthy environment' for more than coupla days stretch 1780877;1517707202;mircea_popescu;i make a point of it. 1780878;1517707262;mircea_popescu;anyway. perfectly serviceable bananistan, yes. i still prefer cr. there's a certain advantage to being able to drive to the beach in a coupla hours any time. 1780879;1517707275;*;asciilifeform can picture this. 1780880;1517707687;mircea_popescu;add to that the dismal (and ridiculously overpriced) real estate, and the inept regulations (instead of forbidding poor people / locals from owning cars privately, they came up with the batshit insane nonsense of banning plates by whether they're opdd or even on alternate days. and this isn't an accident, this is structurally how they think.) 1780881;1517707720;mircea_popescu;and they have bicycle lanes, which i find intolerable. 1780882;1517707739;asciilifeform;on sidewalks, like timis?! 1780883;1517707964;mircea_popescu;sometimes. 1780884;1517707996;asciilifeform;are there actual bicyclists , or mostly imaginary like in ro 1780885;1517708014;mircea_popescu;there's some. in fairness i wasn't there long enough to say ; but the very idea annoys me. 1780886;1517708881;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1780887;1517708888;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9094.99, vol: 15650.81040742 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9077.3, vol: 50688.71557358 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9071.2, vol: 7929.87426483 | Volume-weighted last average: 9080.37651068 1780888;1517708896;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1153 / 9080.37651068 1780889;1517708897;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1153 / 9080.37651068 = 0.12697711363002231 1780890;1517708908;mircea_popescu;!!pay phf 0.12697711 1780891;1517708913;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/z9meQ/?raw=true 1780892;1517708940;phf;i don't have a wallet setup with that thing, i'll book pay tomorrow. i'm beat right now and don't want to fat finger something 1780893;1517708940;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ^ also for your book. 1780894;1517708954;mircea_popescu;phf with deedbot ? you don't need one, it's automatic. 1780895;1517708968;phf;oh, it just stays there until a withdraw? 1780896;1517708979;mircea_popescu;everyone else : he leaves on the 13th, deadline to send gear his way say 5 days prior or something like that 1780897;1517708980;mircea_popescu;phf aha. 1780898;1517708990;phf;jeez, that's some future technology 1780899;1517708994;mircea_popescu;trinque made it. 1780900;1517709042;mircea_popescu;phf reserve anyway, can pay within 24 hours 1780901;1517709240;hanbot; and they have bicycle lanes, which i find intolerable. << not only lanes; it was claimed by at least one local that on sundays all principal roads are closed to cars --bikes only. 1780902;1517714474;mod6;*whew* New kitchen sink faucet: Installed. 1780903;1517714728;trinque;just got some new drapes up myself. 1780904;1517714751;*;trinque can pull the withdraw lever any time this evening, no problem. 1780905;1517714755;mod6;that was last weekend for me. and a new coat of paint through 35% of the house. 1780906;1517714779;trinque;hanbot: reminds me of cancerous fags in portland agitating for "car-free downtown" 1780907;1517714818;trinque;mod6: nice 1780908;1517714851;mod6;hopefully done with home-projects for a bit nao 1780909;1517715092;asciilifeform;old-time su had ~ideal cars/m^2 . 1780910;1517715145;asciilifeform;or at the very least, not far. 1780911;1517715431;phf;i spent about half hour trying to crimp rj45. i completely lost the skill, nor do i, turns out, have the right tools. you've not lived unless you've tried to crimp each individual contact with pliers 1780912;1517715978;ben_vulpes;i emerged @world three times and started working through hanon's piano exercises! 1780913;1517716019;ben_vulpes;trinque: shit has gotten intolerably shrill. "vehicular homicide!" 1780914;1517717565;asciilifeform;phf: at least you didnt try to solder'em. at one time asciilifeform fell to that depth. 1780915;1517717694;mod6;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/bogota-123.jpg << this is awesome, look how simpatico y feliz the llama is! 1780916;1517752399;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo ^ also for your book. << Booked 1780917;1517752465;BingoBoingo;phf: What sort of accomodation are you looking for? Care to stay at the historic Rambler Hostel? 1780918;1517753348;BingoBoingo; the people are a lot closer to the argentinian (pompous, inept, idle) than the tico (eager, voluble, extrovert) ; there's better night life but the 550 mm barometer is unpleasant ; much larger town but virtually no wild life ; arguably better food in restaurants, but i do prefer my slavegirls cooking anyway. and so on. << The size of the bananastani city seems to make a tremendous difference. 1780919;1517755781;asciilifeform;hmm qntra heathendns still dun resolve? 1780920;1517756446;mircea_popescu;holy shit spyked 1780921;1517756451;mircea_popescu;!!pay spyked 0.01 1780922;1517756456;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Lnwiw/?raw=true 1780923;1517756577;BingoBoingo; hmm qntra heathendns still dun resolve? << Whois is still showing the same information 1780924;1517756703;mircea_popescu;in other news, woke up with wood, took the tool to the little girl's room, picked one of the delicious butts asleep there an' fucked her daylights out. or rather i should say nightlights. in any case -- this is teh true joy in lyf! whenever you manage an erection, go pick one! 1780925;1517756759;BingoBoingo;Glad you enjoyed the pre-breakfast exercise 1780926;1517756780;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suspect you're right, city size has a large impact on inhabitant idiocy. overlarge cities train stupidity into dwellers. 1780927;1517756840;BingoBoingo;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HJFI1/?raw=true << output from dig query aimed at 161.0.121.253 1780928;1517756843;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : i see 0 propagation anywhere. you sure you actually have nameservers up ? 1780929;1517757025;BingoBoingo;I am under the impression that I set up authoritive only name servers using nds. Namesilo's whois search still shows three trilems nameservers listed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CwD4l/?raw=true 1780930;1517757098;mircea_popescu;"No name servers found at child. No name servers could be found at the child. This usually means that the child is not configured to answer queries about the zone." 1780931;1517757103;mircea_popescu;i suspect you didn't. 1780932;1517757132;mircea_popescu;though that's pretty weird lessee 1780933;1517757253;mircea_popescu;"There was a problem with the NameServers you entered for the following domains: 1780934;1517757253;mircea_popescu;qntra.net 1780935;1517757253;mircea_popescu;This is likely caused by the entered NameServers not being created yet." 1780936;1517757549;mircea_popescu;hm. 1780937;1517757672;mircea_popescu;it probably is that i didn't register the ns with namesilo ; but holy shit, "Go to the Domain Manager page within your account Click the applicable domain name (it will be underlined in black) Click the "View/Manage Registered NameServers" link within the "NameServers" box" << there is no fucking box with links in it wtf 1780938;1517757722;mircea_popescu;there's a manage dns for this domain on the right and a change nameservers on the top, and neither have an option for it. 1780939;1517757886;mircea_popescu;oh i found it. hangon bb. sorry for the delay. 1780940;1517757980;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo updated ; hopefully this time correctly. apparently they had a different process to register these than i thought, the edit dns zone tool dun do it. 1780941;1517757994;BingoBoingo;These things happen. The interface innovations of outsiders are the greatest handicap we have. 1780942;1517758011;mircea_popescu;anyuway, give it a few if still no good complain i'll look into it more 1780943;1517758016;mircea_popescu;tho i already see it resolving from canada. 1780944;1517758034;mircea_popescu;lots of places actually ; as 161.0.121.253 1780945;1517758068;BingoBoingo;brb, going to check on a machine with virgin hosts file 1780946;1517758100;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's coming through. win. 1780947;1517758808;BingoBoingo;Yup, it is on down here 1780948;1517759373;asciilifeform;loox like it's back! 1780949;1517759387;asciilifeform;even from deep in heathendom, resolves 1780950;1517759551;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1780951;1517759807;BingoBoingo; everyone else : he leaves on the 13th, deadline to send gear his way say 5 days prior or something like that << I would like to add to the wishlist a small box capable of being a router. 2+ CPU cores, 3+ NICs, and 4-8 GB of RAM. Throw a pre clang Openbsd on there and appliancicize it. 1780952;1517759871;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what is meant by that last one ? 1780953;1517759872;BingoBoingo;And for the mini bbisp conference, any guests other than just phf? 1780954;1517759888;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo be specific, link to ebay or w/e. 1780955;1517759913;mircea_popescu;also, why do you need a 2nd router anyway ? 1780956;1517759940;mircea_popescu;o and hey phf, did you http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779900 ? am i seeing you on the 21st sorta thing ? 1780957;1517759940;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: phf you can also book with a day+ layover in panama on your way back. for one thing you get to see the place and despise panama for good reason rather than by hearsay ; for the other flight over here is ~1hr ~every hour. 1780958;1517760021;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The switch's routing capabilities don't seem like they will be able to handle the transition period from our current borrowed /26 to the regionally allocated /24 1780959;1517760042;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: not change the software ever. Just update the config files. 1780960;1517760043;mircea_popescu;aite. 1780961;1517760078;mircea_popescu;and in other fucking sads, spam thing had http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/#comment-124440 marked as spam ;/ 1780962;1517760773;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes : i just spent 10 minutes clicking like a madman through the dates of your logs of trilema-trinque trilema-mod6 etc. could it be a feature that if one month contains less than 2k lines of log then it is presented as a month by month rather than as a day by day thing ? 1780963;1517761139;mircea_popescu;that said, http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate is fucking great. 1780964;1517761501;BingoBoingo;fuck me, every small board I am seeing with a bunch of NICs on board is intel like https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB945VM4600 or already a purpose build router 1780965;1517761599;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: apu1 1780966;1517761617;asciilifeform;afaik errything else is rubbish. 1780967;1517761619;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Slow realtek NICs, quality of service becomes a concern 1780968;1517761654;asciilifeform;nfi why this notion persists. i suspect intel desinfo. 1780969;1517761865;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i have nfi what's going on there, but let me point out trilema has a whole class c (ie, /24) allocated as it is. 1780970;1517761996;mircea_popescu;ifconfig goes from eth0 all the way down to eth0:32 on A SINGLE BOX. that's a /27 range. 1780971;1517762035;asciilifeform;... and runs on own 1GW reactor. why not. for folx ready to pay, anyffingispossible neh 1780972;1517762083;mircea_popescu;i... um... they were free for the asking. 1780973;1517762102;asciilifeform;apparently depends , nao, on who's doing the asking 1780974;1517762117;mircea_popescu;weird shit ; i had nfi i'm that popular with the russki empire. 1780975;1517762180;mircea_popescu;anyway, i can't imagine what'd be going on you'r need multiple routers piled up for a c block. really now. 1780976;1517762197;BingoBoingo;Alright 1780977;1517762224;mircea_popescu;not against overprovisioning and spare gear waiting cold ; but subject to good deals on good deal, not really a desperation buy 1780978;1517762281;asciilifeform;i actually have a pcengines apu1 ( 2G version ) with the sage header soldered on, and sageprobe, that i am adding to the cargo manifest 1780979;1517762294;BingoBoingo;Will keep reading documentation. But heres the source of the IP allocation wank for the coprophologists http://www.lacnic.net/1039/2/lacnic/ipv4-depletion-phases 1780980;1517762300;asciilifeform;but ideally this is for ~later~ BingoBoingo use, rather than 'don't bisp until it has working firmware' 1780981;1517762434;asciilifeform;( in case anybody forgot, this is the box where you can stuff a few MB of useful payload straight into bios. which in turn is the last blobless amd build, takes payload straight in makefile ) 1780982;1517762601;mircea_popescu;aaanyway ; taking teh gals out for pizza, will bbl. 1780983;1517762626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just put everything in a state he doesn't have to fuck with, he's got no torture room down there. 1780984;1517762693;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this particular item oughta be struck from the list , then, it is not a plug-and-go 1780985;1517762717;asciilifeform;and for that matter ALL of the machines will need setting ip/gateway/etc 1780986;1517762718;asciilifeform;how else 1780987;1517762747;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: How many ips do you want? 1780988;1517762780;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja come up with a pricing for those ? 1780989;1517762810;asciilifeform;ideally no fewer than 2 per physical box. 1780990;1517763520;BingoBoingo;The LACNIC fee schedule is here http://www.lacnic.net/2399/2/lacnic/membership-categories-and-fees 1780991;1517763605;BingoBoingo;At the moment we have 64 ipv4 addresses to use out of which I have burned 4 1780992;1517764096;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780956 << can't do long layover over web, i'm planning on calling them tomorrow, and then if that fails i'll try my luck with their rep at the dules airport 1780993;1517764096;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 15:59 mircea_popescu: o and hey phf, did you http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779900 ? am i seeing you on the 21st sorta thing ? 1780994;1517764209;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780917 << possibru, but it looks expensive for what it is, $30 for bunk? i'm seeing whole apartments for rent at that price 1780995;1517764209;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 13:54 BingoBoingo: phf: What sort of accomodation are you looking for? Care to stay at the historic Rambler Hostel? 1780996;1517764235;BingoBoingo;Where are you seeing $30 a bunk? 1780997;1517764288;phf;http://www.ramblerhostels.com/book_pocitos.html 1780998;1517764291;BingoBoingo;Ah, yeah, their stupid website defaults to assuming you wanna stay at least 2 nights 1780999;1517764301;BingoBoingo;Gotta put in the dates yourself 1781000;1517764329;phf;ah 1781001;1517764376;BingoBoingo;Or there are a whole bunch of hotels in the Ciudad vieja 7-10 km away that offer rooms in the 40-50 USD range 1781002;1517764451;BingoBoingo;Just the chinches have not entirely been eliminated. Or dirty foreigners keep bringing new ones in. 1781003;1517764497;phf;rambler puts locations of mcdonalds and burger king on their maps, in case, you know, one gets homesick 1781004;1517764523;BingoBoingo;http://www.ramblerhostels.com/images/mapa_web32.jpg 1781005;1517764541;BingoBoingo;phf: Well, Latinos love McDonalds 1781006;1517764588;BingoBoingo;And the map phf mentioned http://www.ramblerhostels.com/images/ramblerhostel2_1.jpg 1781007;1517764600;asciilifeform;lol! 1781008;1517764720;BingoBoingo;Another warning, hardworking Brasilero Tony from the staff went back to Brasil this past Tuesday. They replaced him with a white South African Tony... 1781009;1517764777;BingoBoingo;And when you are picking a room, the 10 is where they store all the staff and volunteers so someone is trying to sleep in there around the clock. 1781010;1517764990;phf;how about a hilton? 1781011;1517765028;asciilifeform;oh hah maybe they even have a 'NH' like in timis 1781012;1517765031;*;asciilifeform likes NH 1781013;1517765047;asciilifeform;( chain, apparently exists errywhere but usa ) 1781014;1517765157;BingoBoingo;phf: The hilton garden inn is very close and muy caro. If you don't mind a walk http://www.puntatrouville.com.uy/ is in Punta Carreretas, ~2 km from the datacenter 1781015;1517765275;BingoBoingo;And if you really want to go balls out there is the Hyatt centric across the the deletras de Montevideo with the Playa de Pocitos within rooftop pissing range 1781016;1517765322;*;asciilifeform misread as 'with the rooftop pissing range', thought 'hm, feature' 1781017;1517765360;BingoBoingo;lol, kind of a feature. From the roof you could probably piss on the sand if winds are favorable 1781018;1517765390;phf;i've pissed from many rooftops, and it doesn't go as far as you might flatter yourself it will 1781019;1517765406;BingoBoingo;But its location also means lots wind coming off the water 1781020;1517765508;BingoBoingo;http://hotelpalacio.com.uy/ << The service sucks, they do they annoying thing where they keep the old timey skeleton keys at the desk and make you check your guests in, but the $45 a night superior room impresses girls from the interior of the country. Not much reason to stay there longer than the bang though. 1781021;1517765633;BingoBoingo;And the mall "Shopping Punta Carrerretas" was a mega prison until the 1980s ish 1781022;1517765658;BingoBoingo;https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punta_Carretas_Shopping 1781023;1517765866;phf;i wonder if i can buy a h.uy domain 1781024;1517765885;asciilifeform;maybe tooshort, try e.g. idinah.uy 1781025;1517766071;BingoBoingo;Alternately there is Hotel Goes near the Tres Cruces Bus Terminal https://www.hotelgoes.com.uy/ https://www.hotelgoes.com.uy/portfolio-view/suite-la-nave/ 1781026;1517766112;phf;asciilifeform: they have a stupid gb style scheme of *.foo.uy 1781027;1517766123;asciilifeform;sux 1781028;1517766148;asciilifeform;tho i suspected this immediately when saw that idinah.uy dun resolve... 1781029;1517766212;phf;BingoBoingo; thanks for the info i'll look into what best suits my needs 1781030;1517766213;asciilifeform;( seealso http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730999 concept ) 1781031;1517766213;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood 1781032;1517766297;BingoBoingo;phf: You are welcome. And if you get bored of the big city and want to go to small town uruguay for a taste of "The Great Again" https://www.trumppuntadeleste.com/ 1781033;1517766465;BingoBoingo;Imma just blog this information up for future reference 1781034;1517766637;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1781035;1517766646;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8472.0, vol: 14288.12901273 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8495.0, vol: 50310.12958467 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8416.0, vol: 6153.27433064 | Volume-weighted last average: 8483.48455142 1781036;1517767343;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: qntra link nao added to asciilifeform's www 1781037;1517768104;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2118&cpage=1#comment-19226 << in other noose. 1781038;1517768467;asciilifeform;!~later tell apeloyee http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2118&cpage=1#comment-19228 1781039;1517768467;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1781040;1517768583;asciilifeform;this d00d, he has a head on his shoulders, verily. 1781041;1517769136;asciilifeform;( the seekrit, summarized: there is no effect from walking over the zeroes created at the bottom end of XS when it slides to the left. so, can leave'em alone. ) 1781042;1517773928;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty 1781043;1517774919;QntBtt;http://qntra.net/2018/02/malware-exploiting-intel-cpu-hardware-vunerabilities-being-found-in-the-wild/ 1781044;1517774974;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: shouldn't there be a link somewhere in there, re what found, where 1781045;1517774984;asciilifeform;cuz right nao i've nfi 1781046;1517775110;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1781047;1517775123;asciilifeform;ty 1781048;1517775202;asciilifeform;pretty great. 1781049;1517775319;BingoBoingo;tyvm 1781050;1517776436;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780921 <-- yay, thanks! I get the chance to play with deedbot wallet nao. 1781051;1517776436;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 15:00 mircea_popescu: !!pay spyked 0.01 1781052;1517776576;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780961 <-- do you know the dood? I'll forward him the bitcent if he can prove he gave the answer. given that it was on trilema, the only way he could do that would be to... post from same IP/email address? hm. wait, I'll leave a comment. 1781053;1517776576;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 16:01 mircea_popescu: and in other fucking sads, spam thing had http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/#comment-124440 marked as spam ;/ 1781054;1517777502;BingoBoingo;And in research mircea_popescu did get to lol at the wide spread on the Argentine peso in Uruguay http://trilema.com/2014/strange-in-the-street/ http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/IMG_20171224_164441709-768x576.jpg 1781055;1517778692;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/04/the-first-bbisp-mini-conference-and-montevideo-tourism-guide/ << Bingo Blog - The First BBISP Mini Conference And Montevideo Tourism Guide 1781056;1517778910;BingoBoingo;^ for phf ben_vulpes and others 1781057;1517779051;BingoBoingo;And for people who want static ip addresses for their boxes taking the trip send me a gpgram with the number of boxes and number of addresses. I can give you a handful to set up before the box goes on the plane. 1781058;1517780772;joecool;got that sorted finally 1781059;1517781004;davout;ohai all 1781060;1517781022;davout;BingoBoingo: mazeltov for getting qntra back online ! 1781061;1517781043;BingoBoingo;ty davout Are you coming to the miniconf 1781062;1517781049;BingoBoingo;Hola joecool 1781063;1517781235;joecool;catching up on things, it's been about a year of logs 1781064;1517781246;joecool;good to see qntra's still kicking 1781065;1517781368;davout;BingoBoingo: i wish i could but i won't be able to make it 1781066;1517781434;davout;started training for my airline transport pilot license in december, and i'm stuck in ground school phase until may~june, until then i barely even make time to go take a shit 1781067;1517781960;mircea_popescu;whoa davout's gonna be wishing us a pleasant trip and thank us for taking mauritius airlines in short order ? 1781068;1517781990;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780985 << well yes, but that's quite different from "and then desolder this bit here and ..." 1781069;1517781990;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 16:45 asciilifeform: and for that matter ALL of the machines will need setting ip/gateway/etc 1781070;1517782025;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apu1 item , as proposed, dun require further soldering. but it does want a fw payload. 1781071;1517782035;davout;mircea_popescu: yes, that's the idea :3 1781072;1517782038;mircea_popescu;well so put it in 1781073;1517782041;asciilifeform;(i.e. an item that can be moved over the net, gpg-signed) 1781074;1517782044;asciilifeform;aite. 1781075;1517782057;mircea_popescu;fw reflashing may well become soldering item, you know. 1781076;1517782071;asciilifeform;not with apu1+sage kit. it dun have a wedge state. 1781077;1517782080;asciilifeform;(does that make sense , or should i elaborate) 1781078;1517782106;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780992 << cool deal. 1781079;1517782106;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 17:08 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780956 << can't do long layover over web, i'm planning on calling them tomorrow, and then if that fails i'll try my luck with their rep at the dules airport 1781080;1517782115;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he doesn't have a sage kit. 1781081;1517782138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: obviously doesn't, lol, unless i put it in the crate. as was the proposal. 1781082;1517782154;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780978 << subj 1781083;1517782154;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 16:38 asciilifeform: i actually have a pcengines apu1 ( 2G version ) with the sage header soldered on, and sageprobe, that i am adding to the cargo manifest 1781084;1517782163;mircea_popescu;i dunno what he;d do with one ; or when. as per "i barely even make time to go take a shit" 1781085;1517782181;asciilifeform;wasn't this davout's line 1781086;1517782185;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo i think has time to shit 1781087;1517782235;BingoBoingo;Unlike davout I do have time to shit, but I use it taking a shit. 1781088;1517782307;asciilifeform;aaanyway this was in re BingoBoingo's 'need router' item. if that fell off the current list, then no particular reason to send it. 1781089;1517782355;*;BingoBoingo still has soliciting to follow up on tomorrow 1781090;1517782432;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781013 << was in bogota also. 1781091;1517782432;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 17:24 asciilifeform: ( chain, apparently exists errywhere but usa ) 1781092;1517782540;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781023 << bwahaha! 1781093;1517782540;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 17:37 phf: i wonder if i can buy a h.uy domain 1781094;1517782629;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781041 << sorta like half-windowed then huh 1781095;1517782629;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 18:32 asciilifeform: ( the seekrit, summarized: there is no effect from walking over the zeroes created at the bottom end of XS when it slides to the left. so, can leave'em alone. ) 1781096;1517782700;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha jesus christ, "gift some kill to mom" 1781097;1517782713;asciilifeform;waiwaat 1781098;1517782723;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/strange-in-the-street/ 1781099;1517782918;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a hey, ANOTHER use for head detected : when you leave a comment on bogota article, your browser heads 130 images instead of downloading 130 images 1781100;1517782926;mircea_popescu;that's ~20mb each comment. 1781101;1517782956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no i get it nao 1781102;1517782967;mircea_popescu;ok :p 1781103;1517782980;asciilifeform;still curious what's done with PUT tho. 1781104;1517782986;asciilifeform;(and whether it needs doing) 1781105;1517783001;mircea_popescu;"just as cool as ftp if the year's 1995" 1781106;1517783122;asciilifeform;lol 1781107;1517783647;shinohai;!!up b41e209ccc264812 1781108;1517783647;deedbot;b41e209ccc264812 voiced for 30 minutes. 1781109;1517783671;b41e209ccc264812;!!up b41e209ccc264812 1781110;1517783672;deedbot;You may not $up yourself. 1781111;1517783765;asciilifeform;!#s b41e209ccc264812 1781112;1517783765;a111;11 results for "b41e209ccc264812", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=b41e209ccc264812 1781113;1517783784;b41e209ccc264812;:) 1781114;1517783798;asciilifeform;b41e209ccc264812: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627338 << you ? 1781115;1517783798;a111;Logged on 2017-03-15 13:44 b41e209ccc264812: information on books you might be interested in or commented on 1781116;1517783800;b41e209ccc264812;the books guy is back 1781117;1517783820;asciilifeform;then i regret to inform b41e209ccc264812 that there are no new b00kz 1781118;1517783827;asciilifeform;afaik. 1781119;1517783830;b41e209ccc264812;decided to finally register 1781120;1517783840;b41e209ccc264812;I know 1781121;1517783843;asciilifeform;!!key b41e209ccc264812 1781122;1517783844;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/771149FC5891A6B1D04F5AC18E6255C4F51F841B.asc 1781123;1517783860;asciilifeform;!!rate b41e209ccc264812 1 new blood 1781124;1517783862;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4seOJ/?raw=true 1781125;1517783889;asciilifeform;!!v 5D365E91C7BA486C5D2431A3F96FFDCFF2B1F946E81150755226765280F2202B 1781126;1517783889;deedbot;asciilifeform rated b41e209ccc264812 1 << new blood 1781127;1517783914;asciilifeform;b41e209ccc264812: now try voicing yourself, by privmsg'ing deedbot 1781128;1517783919;asciilifeform;!!down b41e209ccc264812 1781129;1517783968;asciilifeform;tsk, dsa key 1781130;1517783993;asciilifeform;holyfuq, dsa + elgamal + sha1 1781131;1517784038;b41e209ccc264812;ugly i know 1781132;1517784041;asciilifeform;... apparently trinque's thing still eats it. ptronic deedbot however won't. i recommend to b41e209ccc264812 to make a new key. 1781133;1517784047;asciilifeform;without dsa, elgamal, sha1. 1781134;1517784084;asciilifeform;at any rate let's hear biography ? b41e209ccc264812 who are you, where from, why came ? 1781135;1517784096;b41e209ccc264812;oo I didn't know deedbot won't like it. 1781136;1517784117;b41e209ccc264812;will later create a proper one. 1781137;1517784124;asciilifeform;b41e209ccc264812: as you can see, current deedbot eats. but non-rsa keys will be phased out at some point. 1781138;1517784161;asciilifeform;... and sha1 hash setting means that anybody with a few thou usd can impersonate b41e209ccc264812 . 1781139;1517784179;b41e209ccc264812;i know. 1781140;1517784190;BingoBoingo;Is it still that expensive? 1781141;1517784195;asciilifeform;b41e209ccc264812: if you knew, why didja make a key like this 1781142;1517784204;asciilifeform;it ain't old, if the date field is to be believed, made today 1781143;1517784235;b41e209ccc264812;yep just a minutes ago. 1781144;1517784239;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: only expensive for folx who don't keep the necessary capital goods around on hand 1781145;1517784246;asciilifeform;b41e209ccc264812: you didn't answer why 1781146;1517784301;b41e209ccc264812;To claim my 0.01 bitcent from the fun http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/. 1781147;1517784336;b41e209ccc264812;I am the Mario guy and a kind of fan of Munguia 1781148;1517784355;asciilifeform;b41e209ccc264812: you might have to wait until mircea_popescu wakes up. 1781149;1517784394;asciilifeform;( currently i can't see how b41e209ccc264812 can prove that he is the orig commenter. but it ain't me he will have to satisfy, but rather mircea_popescu ) 1781150;1517784740;ben_vulpes;how does elgamel and dsa have anything to do with that comment? 1781151;1517784750;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it doesn't 1781152;1517784761;asciilifeform;observations re d00d's key, strictly. 1781153;1517784789;asciilifeform;wanted to point out to him that it is more or less the weakest type of key possible at the given bitness. 1781154;1517784811;asciilifeform;and i gotta wonder how he came up with it. afaik gpg , for instance, does not default to it. 1781155;1517784824;asciilifeform;none of this has any connection with the item he apparently came for. 1781156;1517784994;ben_vulpes;i assumed that his "to claim my" was in response to "but waii" 1781157;1517789045;phf;poor hygiene outside the gates, if you don't want to sign, can always include a shasum of a secret, reveal it when you need to prove identity to the counterparty. a very simple fire and forget method 1781158;1517789324;asciilifeform;phf: aha, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-17#1054646 1781159;1517789324;a111;Logged on 2015-03-17 03:29 asciilifeform: ;;google cediinnoopsssttuu 1781160;1517789379;asciilifeform;^ ~350y.o. example 1781161;1517791154;danielpbarron;!!up MinuteMan 1781162;1517791154;deedbot;MinuteMan voiced for 30 minutes. 1781163;1517797818;ben_vulpes;in other spamvaluations: https://supernets.github.io/about.html 1781164;1517797823;ben_vulpes;!!up Techman 1781165;1517797824;deedbot;Techman voiced for 30 minutes. 1781166;1517797830;Techman;hey 1781167;1517797838;ben_vulpes;what brings you by 1781168;1517797857;Techman;what do you mean what brings me by? I've been here ever since dpb introduced himself on lrh 1781169;1517797882;Techman;I just haven't opened my VM yet to do the gpg verification to get voiced again (weechat ran out of memory lul) 1781170;1517797892;ben_vulpes;hey, you don't talk much the name didn't stick 1781171;1517797917;Techman;I don't, mostly because I don't have a lot of bitcoin and what I put into it is tanking :( 1781172;1517798030;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1781173;1517798031;ben_vulpes;you haven't noticed that bitcoin isn't the toplevel topic here more often than not? 1781174;1517798037;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7875.73, vol: 20301.10160773 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7910.2, vol: 79441.05559905 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7871.8, vol: 8919.15888304 | Volume-weighted last average: 7900.60804298 1781175;1517798152;asciilifeform;oh hey, nao we can link to : http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez 1781176;1517798157;asciilifeform;Techman ^ 1781177;1517798521;Techman;and what is this supposed to mean 1781178;1517801739;*;asciilifeform only nao finished the proggy for ffa ch10, a backbreaker. nao for the text... 1781179;1517801776;asciilifeform;this is the karatsuba ch. quite possibly the most complicated in the whole series. and no it can't be split. 1781180;1517801939;mod6;werd 1781181;1517802398;asciilifeform;and, to nobody's great surprise, i suspect, the ideal karatsuba threshhold turns out to differ for 'soft' vs 'iron' word-mul variant. 1781182;1517802449;asciilifeform;which is annoying and will need a fiddling mechanism i'd rather not have. 1781183;1517805066;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779845 << ahh, that was an old dream well sated. ty :) 1781184;1517805066;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 20:52 mircea_popescu: this trip she got to ride around in one ; and found out that the ambassador's official representation car is exactly her mark and mode ; except made in mexico not imported from bayerische krankenwerk directly. 1781185;1517805110;hanbot;and on other people's planes, emotional support peacocks are a thing up there now?! http://archive.is/azMke 1781186;1517805237;ben_vulpes;hey if one can throw a hissy fit and get into a brooklyn pub with it, surely untied will fall into line as well, right RIGHT? 1781187;1517805239;asciilifeform;bahahahaha 1781188;1517805256;asciilifeform;where's asciilifeform's emotionalsupport-cobra. 1781189;1517805510;hanbot;possibly a mere psychiatrist's sig away! 1781190;1517805576;ben_vulpes;ohai trinque 1781191;1517805696;trinque;evening ben_vulpes 1781192;1517805845;ben_vulpes;in other north carolina doing north carolina things... https://nypost.com/2018/02/04/father-daughter-couple-arrested-for-incest-after-having-love-child/ 1781193;1517806616;trinque;what a beautiful reunion 1781194;1517806635;trinque;"you look just like your mother did at your age!" 1781195;1517811533;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780962 something like http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2018-1-31 ? 1781196;1517811533;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 16:12 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes : i just spent 10 minutes clicking like a madman through the dates of your logs of trilema-trinque trilema-mod6 etc. could it be a feature that if one month contains less than 2k lines of log then it is presented as a month by month rather than as a day by day thing ? 1781197;1517811778;ben_vulpes;i want to do something to surface the dates of conversations, also the "next" button on the monthly view lets one page forward into infinity, but i'm going to let it sit for now 1781198;1517818667;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781116 << so weird, i have no memory of this. 1781199;1517818667;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 22:36 b41e209ccc264812: the books guy is back 1781200;1517818673;*;mircea_popescu proceeds to reread logs 1781201;1517819064;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781131 <<< but... why! 1781202;1517819064;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 22:40 b41e209ccc264812: ugly i know 1781203;1517819130;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781117 << inasmuch as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627344 still applies, there's at the very least http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776924 1781204;1517819130;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 22:37 asciilifeform: then i regret to inform b41e209ccc264812 that there are no new b00kz 1781205;1517819130;a111;Logged on 2017-03-15 13:55 b41e209ccc264812: thanks Pete. I am still doing trilema.com for now. 1781206;1517819130;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 16:23 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3178/3178-h/3178-h.htm << pretty decent yarn, mark twain's forgotten novel. 1781207;1517819153;mircea_popescu;and is it me or are these three point log combos becoming ever more frequent 1781208;1517819460;mircea_popescu;(there's of course also http://trilema.com/2018/the-man-versus-the-state/ ; and http://trilema.com/we-shall-now-read-anathem i suppose counts as a book ? http://trilema.com/cezar-petrescu-file-dintrun-caiet-de-amintiri-mateiu-i-caragiale is perhaps making the cut also ? http://trilema.com/alexandru-osvald-pastorel-teodoreanu << this is a book, "strofe cu pelin de mai pentru/contra iorga neculai" fortified with newspaper mater 1781209;1517819460;mircea_popescu;ial. http://trilema.com/talent-triumphant-or-on-empathy << this is a rewritten book, originally "micuta/n-a dansat decit o vara". http://trilema.com/resplenduminous << idem rewritten book ; then there's the whole rothbardf series, from http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-i-natural-law-and-reason to http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe 1781210;1517819461;mircea_popescu;-social-philosophy ; and then there's of course the http://trilema.com/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story rewrite. 1781211;1517819502;mircea_popescu;we'll consider disgrace rewrite was before he declared his interest and therefore known to him ; this still leaves us EIGHT books, what do you mean "no". 1781212;1517819734;mircea_popescu;not to mention http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777019 actually discusses a book too! it's quite respectable, as far as books go. unlike say http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/#selection-581.0-597.212 which is a very unrespectable "book". and so following! 1781213;1517819734;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 17:16 asciilifeform: ( and lol, this has gotta be the 1st time i hear mircea_popescu refer to a hardcopy of sumthing..? ) 1781214;1517819767;mircea_popescu;btw, from the wonders of mp-wp : the above "cut" link ( http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe ) STILL RESOLVES FINE. because mp-wp is set up to do that, for greatere glory. 1781215;1517820028;mircea_popescu;aaand in other tricks of the trade, http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/#comment-124452 << signing in emacs buffer/publishing via w3m, it's a thing!\ 1781216;1517820358;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781147 << claim it the other way though ; otherwise ~anyone can make a new key and say "I'm X". Have X say you're him. 1781217;1517820358;a111;Logged on 2018-02-04 22:45 b41e209ccc264812: I am the Mario guy and a kind of fan of Munguia 1781218;1517820576;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781159 << for the record, "ut pondus sic tensio" doesn't mean "the weight is equal to the tension", as commonly translated by primitive north american orc minds. it says "as upon the weight, so [upon] the tension", meaning that changes of tension are proportional (and not equal) to changes applied to load. 1781219;1517820576;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 00:08 a111: Logged on 2015-03-17 03:29 asciilifeform: ;;google cediinnoopsssttuu 1781220;1517820604;mircea_popescu;this sort of difference, "subtle" if you're born to do dishes, is both the bread and butter of science as well as the fundamental pillar of human language. 1781221;1517820676;mircea_popescu;two important items, to belabour this point : pondus is load, not "weight". proportion, not "equality", is rendered by the ut/sic ~nonverbal~ construction. 1781222;1517821518;mircea_popescu;(the ancient "εἴτε τὰ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς εἴτε τὰ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς" that then yielded in the orthodox rite "precum in cer asa si pe pamint" etcetera, ie a retroversion to the original egyptian mysticologies that originated the whole pile, is the box in which this sleeps.) 1781223;1517822140;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781214 << this, by the way, is a major result of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780490 ; and a fine proof of their importance. at issue isn't "give me file x", like in classical fs-addressing "static" http, to which the answer may be "here it is" or "no such thing". the semantic content is "give me the item that is like this", which results in ONE resource that satisfies the criterion gi 1781224;1517822140;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 08:36 mircea_popescu: btw, from the wonders of mp-wp : the above "cut" link ( http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe ) STILL RESOLVES FINE. because mp-wp is set up to do that, for greatere glory. 1781225;1517822140;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 00:13 asciilifeform: the whole 'dynamic pages' thing is a terrifying hack on classical http 1781226;1517822141;mircea_popescu;ven. for instance trilema.com/s resolves to http://trilema.com/2017/s-a-furat-mireasa/ ; whereas trilema.com/sa resolves to http://trilema.com/2010/sa-admiram-vulpoiul/ 1781227;1517822149;mircea_popescu;and i daresay that this is very much the right thing. 1781228;1517822267;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781173 << maybe techman isn't so interested in tech topics. 1781229;1517822267;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 02:33 ben_vulpes: you haven't noticed that bitcoin isn't the toplevel topic here more often than not? 1781230;1517822346;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781185 << lmao. the peacock being one of the dumbest birds, i can see why the woman bonded to it. 1781231;1517822346;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 04:31 hanbot: and on other people's planes, emotional support peacocks are a thing up there now?! http://archive.is/azMke 1781232;1517822401;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781194 << how the fuck would he know. o, wait... nc, i forgot. 1781233;1517822401;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 04:57 trinque: "you look just like your mother did at your age!" 1781234;1517822452;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781195 << that seems still daily ? 1781235;1517822452;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 06:18 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780962 something like http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2018-1-31 ? 1781236;1517822541;mircea_popescu;basically i'm looking to better guarantees that my clicking has an effect. "it will give you previous day" is a great thing on #trilema, where you fucking know a day is going to take like... a day to go through, especially if you check references / think about what's said etc. but if the channel is lower volume, it may well be meaningless, "thank you for your click, here's a WHOLE NEW empty field to replace your previous empt 1781237;1517822541;mircea_popescu;y field". so logically, "how about i can scroll a month at a time instead". 1781238;1517822617;mircea_popescu;trying http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2017-11 500's the server. 1781239;1517822730;mircea_popescu;aaand, after having dumped 42 lines of talking to himself, mircea_popescu shall now retire, but not before wishing everyone a very good morning! 1781240;1517841165;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-19231 1781241;1517841177;asciilifeform;^ >> http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-and-pragma-inline_always-a-report 1781242;1517841190;asciilifeform;hey trinque can you add his www to the rss roll ? 1781243;1517841203;asciilifeform;imho it belongs there 1781244;1517841270;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781218 << laugh, but until today i had nfi that this mistranslation existed ! and it is still not clear to me how it was possible to come up with it while knowing that the orig referred to springs ( where the correct orig statement is true, and the bastardized -- elementarily -- not ) 1781245;1517841270;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 08:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781159 << for the record, "ut pondus sic tensio" doesn't mean "the weight is equal to the tension", as commonly translated by primitive north american orc minds. it says "as upon the weight, so [upon] the tension", meaning that changes of tension are proportional (and not equal) to changes applied to load. 1781246;1517841296;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781221 << noshit 1781247;1517841296;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 08:51 mircea_popescu: two important items, to belabour this point : pondus is load, not "weight". proportion, not "equality", is rendered by the ut/sic ~nonverbal~ construction. 1781248;1517841330;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781223 << good example. 1781249;1517841330;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 09:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781214 << this, by the way, is a major result of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780490 ; and a fine proof of their importance. at issue isn't "give me file x", like in classical fs-addressing "static" http, to which the answer may be "here it is" or "no such thing". the semantic content is "give me the item that is like this", which results in ONE resource that satisfies the criterion gi 1781250;1517841376;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << why not make the default behaviour of the arrows 'go to the next/prev nonempty page'. imho that's The Right Thing. 1781251;1517841376;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 09:22 mircea_popescu: y field". so logically, "how about i can scroll a month at a time instead". 1781252;1517841392;asciilifeform;who the fuck wants to flip through 9000 empties. 1781253;1517842414;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1781254;1517842423;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7349.98, vol: 31217.06344008 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7375.1, vol: 98135.22815263 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7329.9, vol: 12949.6946102 | Volume-weighted last average: 7365.47610882 1781255;1517843461;phf;that's accidentally btcbase behavior, next and previous buttons figure out next date by looking at next message's in sequence timestamp 1781256;1517843751;asciilifeform;phf: i recall this; it is The Right Thing 1781257;1517843762;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: when canhaz the godly 700 again!111 1781258;1517843917;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Durante los temors, cuando el ano de Buterin està momentos antes de la penetracìon del fin. 1781259;1517844023;phf;asciilifeform: by the way, freebsd's ports system (i tried it on a machine that can actually compile things, unlike x60) is a little bit more configurable than pkgsrc/openbsd, so you can actually disable dbus in emacs or firefox! but the lulz of lulz, firefox depends on gtk3, where you can't configure out dbus, so presumably it gets pulled anyway. 1781260;1517844067;asciilifeform;phf: i have a gtk2-only ff on the gentoo-x60; but iirc it is an old ver 1781261;1517844090;phf;ah that would make sense 1781262;1517844096;asciilifeform;still something that imho a respectable ports collection oughta be able to auto-disgorge, e.g. 'give me last ff that didn't demand gtk3' 1781263;1517844120;phf;tell me again how you don't want a sat solver in your build system 1781264;1517844137;asciilifeform;for all the rot of gentoo, i was nevertheless able to get this result, after using the recipe i posted 2y ago 1781265;1517844172;asciilifeform;phf: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760887 1781266;1517844172;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 19:14 asciilifeform: lol in this sense an adder is 'specialcase of satsolver' 1781267;1517844270;asciilifeform;really i oughta expand on this : 1781268;1517844398;asciilifeform;a dependency graph that came from buncha jwz types shitting where they stand, without any concept of hygiene ( esp. ~political~ hygiene, where infections of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 are immediately spotted and flamethrowered where they stand until not even dust remains) -- will yes, appear to demand solution to multiple np-hard problems every time you want to do the simplest things. 1781269;1517844398;a111;Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same 1781270;1517844425;phf;vereshyagin, uhodi s barkasa 1781271;1517844435;asciilifeform;lol 1781272;1517844649;BingoBoingo;Do you know what is a really hard word to spell en Ingles para mi hoy? Bicycle 1781273;1517844661;asciilifeform;waiwat 1781274;1517844735;mircea_popescu;lol 7365 ? 1781275;1517844752;mircea_popescu;check that out, bbpisp realised like 40 bitcent financial gains on the latest round of financing 1781276;1517844758;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Everyone here talks about their bici's which few people actually ride. Thusly there's a cognitive bump in my head as I compose a piece on the latest pantsuit premonition. 1781277;1517844762;BingoBoingo;lol 1781278;1517844770;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is it pronounced 'bitchy' ? 1781279;1517844782;asciilifeform;or soft, moar like 'vichy' 1781280;1517844784;mircea_popescu;the republic prevails! 1781281;1517844790;BingoBoingo;Pronounced BeeSea 1781282;1517844797;asciilifeform;lol! 1781283;1517844808;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like bessy but with an i. bissy. 1781284;1517844824;asciilifeform;ah hm that'd makesense. 1781285;1517845098;BingoBoingo;Eh, there isn't enought to qntra outta the headline I wanted. Apparently the pantsuits are pushing bici to vehicle transponders as a way of ensuring bicicletist safety in a self driving car world. What isn't stated by the pantsuits is a lol, but not enough of one. 1781286;1517845150;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo same exact idiocy as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778771 : "better server a turd to everyone than machinegun the poor so actual people can have the actual things god intended". 1781287;1517845150;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 14:25 a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 13:06 ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility" 1781288;1517845151;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol! how's that meant to work , on hearing the magic signal, autos errywhere grind to a halt ? 1781289;1517845157;mircea_popescu;fuck them and their stupid bicis. 1781290;1517845186;mircea_popescu;it is both obscene and a sign of complete abandonment of one's humanity to permit his harem slaves to go about with dirty hair, or on "bici"s. 1781291;1517845199;mircea_popescu;let the poor women die painfully in abject poverty for the glorification of the select few. 1781292;1517845202;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am assuming the bicicletists are allowed to terrorize self driving cars with impunity. 1781293;1517845227;asciilifeform;wtflol, wat exactly 'self-driving car' in orcistan ? 1781294;1517845236;mircea_popescu;heh. 1781295;1517845251;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: These pieces are from pantsuit outlets in old country 1781296;1517845397;asciilifeform;if so, it'd make moarsense -- in gringostan, biciclism is not so much a vice of the poor and autoless, but of moneyed hipster types ( they shell out, e.g., 10k/mo for a 200m^2 flat 'near' googleplex, and biciclate to/from it while pompously bragging about 'ecologically clean' etc 0 1781297;1517845397;asciilifeform;) 1781298;1517845459;asciilifeform;you oughta see some of these bicycles, mircea_popescu , sometimes they cost moar than your classic bmw 1781299;1517845482;asciilifeform;often made of, what, shitanium, unobtainium fibers. 1781300;1517845529;asciilifeform;( 'fiber' is a hilarious material, in that it is unrepairable if it so happens to crack ) 1781301;1517845533;mircea_popescu;yaya. 1781302;1517845535;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << perhaps the 'prev' link showing 2017-12-31 is too subtle 1781303;1517845535;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 09:22 mircea_popescu: y field". so logically, "how about i can scroll a month at a time instead". 1781304;1517845581;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes OOOO! nao i get it 1781305;1517845606;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781250 << would be a shame to waste a whole page on 2 lines, as happens from time to time, but i can see the argument, esp in re how the monthcollapse hides dates 1781306;1517845606;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 14:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << why not make the default behaviour of the arrows 'go to the next/prev nonempty page'. imho that's The Right Thing. 1781307;1517845611;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes but... i find it suspicious the dates for all lines are from the last day of the month ? 1781308;1517845631;ben_vulpes;yeah, artifact of the link being to .# 1781309;1517845637;mircea_popescu;hm 1781310;1517845677;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781197 1781311;1517845677;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 06:22 ben_vulpes: i want to do something to surface the dates of conversations, also the "next" button on the monthly view lets one page forward into infinity, but i'm going to let it sit for now 1781312;1517845704;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781252 << this is precisely what i fixed, didja look at how it works now before bitching? 1781313;1517845704;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 14:36 asciilifeform: who the fuck wants to flip through 9000 empties. 1781314;1517845734;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: um 1781315;1517845742;asciilifeform;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-trinque << try 1781316;1517845749;asciilifeform;i get empty after empty after empty 1781317;1517845752;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not sure what you're arguing here. of course orc "chiefs" as promoted by usg tards (ie, exactly http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ )exist entirely and for no other reason than to promote the usg tard's worldview ? yul brenner's role in the usg tard wankfic of "anna and the king" is all about how the KING of orcistan knows no greater glory than to 1781318;1517845753;mircea_popescu; empower the alt-reality fictions of worthless "precious" cuntlet, so devoid of any value or impoirtance she couldn't even fdind clerical employment in her home country. 1781319;1517845769;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: good point 1781320;1517845782;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun have an argument, strictly an observation 1781321;1517845799;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i.e. ameritard biciclism is diff disease than orcistani. 1781322;1517845801;mircea_popescu;so yes, wanna-be "hipsters" from south america (pro tip : you CAN NOT be a hipster there, fakers!) are, irrespective of their hallucinated "wealth", pushing the usg official catechism-for-the-poor. what of it. 1781323;1517845821;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i assumed, possibly naively, that the orcistani ones simply can't afford a motor. 1781324;1517845830;mircea_popescu;not differtent disease at all. it's just that in libertard worldview, king of myanmar is a step down for widow of indistinct army colonel. 1781325;1517845861;mircea_popescu;and the axe handles in orcistan tend to [be selected by their] promote the idiocy. 1781326;1517845906;mircea_popescu;in fact, the difference between "functioning democracy" and "evil authoritarian regime" in the cia fictionbook is whether the local elite takes the above view or the mp view of "everything you do here, you pay, and you pay to find out how much to pay, and pray it doesn't change further". 1781327;1517845913;mircea_popescu;ie, usg's ro airstrip etc. 1781328;1517845948;mircea_popescu;then they gotta "fight corruption" in the sense of, get the local elite replaced with more malleable turds. 1781329;1517845951;asciilifeform;what i was thinking of, is sorta like the diff b/w usa motorcyclist and orc : the ameritard buys 'harley' on credit, because he saw some movies once; the orc has old zundapp simply because that's all the petrol he can afford , and all the parking that's to be had in his goat shed 1781330;1517845965;mircea_popescu;yes but this model has nothing to do with reality. 1781331;1517845988;mircea_popescu;elisa estevez is the direction to understand this, the "magical orc touched by the vorlons". 1781332;1517845989;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu's picture is, orc bicyclist is imitating ameritards -- and not vice-versa / 1781333;1517845990;asciilifeform;? 1781334;1517846043;mircea_popescu;in my view, orc biciclist is virtue-signalling, exactly like entirely worthless zek that goes about yakking "civil rights" as if the clitler version of this were a thing. 1781335;1517846080;mircea_popescu;and what he's virtue signalling is one of two things : either "i am ready to be elevated into a criminology beca at spaceship" or else "i am ready to be given a precious cuntlet you no longer need to rule all things around me". 1781336;1517846086;mircea_popescu;ie, mostly female, also some male. 1781337;1517846191;asciilifeform;south amer orcs indeed seem to go about signalling for imagined gringosaheeb to uplift'em to mothership. how about in mircea_popescu's egypt tho ? same kind of bicyclism ? 1781338;1517846234;mircea_popescu;no. there was about as much biciclism there as in colombia/uruguay/whatever, but these looked like mobility solutions rather than "hope in a better future". 1781339;1517846323;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: i assumed, possibly naively, that the orcistani ones simply can't afford a motor. << There is another contingent that believes, or says they believe motocicletas are UNSAFE!!! 1781340;1517846356;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how would you account for the diff ? (i.e. egyptian orc has his 'jam tomorrow' receptors safely plugged by koran ? or how. why not as susceptible to 'betterfutureism'..? ) 1781341;1517846370;BingoBoingo; what i was thinking of, is sorta like the diff b/w usa motorcyclist and orc : the ameritard buys 'harley' on credit, because he saw some movies once; the orc has old zundapp simply because that's all the petrol he can afford , and all the parking that's to be had in his goat shed << Nah, they do not ride zundapps. They ride a lot of Yumbos and other chinese imports. 1781342;1517846375;mircea_popescu;they are at that. you should see the retards here. 0 lights, on highway. weaving in like nobody's business. so what if it's night, you should be able to sense their presence. 1781343;1517846412;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no monroe doctrine for egypt. no ubiquitous "smart"phone to carry the message of the imams of the cult of the dead clitler. 1781344;1517846415;mircea_popescu;that sorta thing. 1781345;1517846437;BingoBoingo;Here most of the motocicletists seem to be delivery folk. Behave like scared rabbits. Do shit like coast with motor off downhill on sidewalks. 1781346;1517846442;asciilifeform;oh hah i'd expect they have pnojes by nao 1781347;1517846454;mircea_popescu;but otherwise yes, your intuition is fundamentally correct, the scum is universally responsive, they could produce however millions of "human rights" and "democracy" and the rest of the fake bullshit if anyone gave them the time of day. 1781348;1517846470;BingoBoingo;They do have pnojes! To order deliveries made en motocicleta 1781349;1517846475;mircea_popescu;logically, if you don't step on their face, they're going to go about "having ideas" and "making choices" and so on. 1781350;1517846478;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: was speaking of egyptians 1781351;1517846484;BingoBoingo;ah 1781352;1517846535;asciilifeform;oh hey mircea_popescu -- did ro have a renaissance in voodoo claptrap crapolade in 1990s like old su did ? 1781353;1517846549;mircea_popescu;oya. still ongoing. 1781354;1517846566;asciilifeform;fundamentally predictable item , i suspect 1781355;1517846569;*;BingoBoingo awaits phf's more traveled assessment of traffic and transportation in Montevideo. 1781356;1517846573;asciilifeform;old cult dies, thousand fungi bloom. 1781357;1517846593;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/spamerul-dan-pulic/ << very typical usg's orc programme "art & spam" item. 1781358;1517846620;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha 1781359;1517846633;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/a-trai-ecologic/#selection-25.0-25.488 << ecologist faggots 1781360;1517846691;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/sunteti-besini/ << "entrepreneurialism" voodoo (more of those, iirc one even recently linked ; plus a buncha girlies "PR" and "magazines" and whatnot nonsense) 1781361;1517846736;asciilifeform;export-models of same fungi as ate the ustards themselves, neh 1781362;1517846958;mircea_popescu;sure. tons of various kinds, i spent years pissing on them in ro while they were "upset" and "trilema doesn't exist because it pisses on us from the balcony". 1781363;1517846968;mircea_popescu;rather like today's usgistani reaction, at that. great times. 1781364;1517847017;asciilifeform;'nobody's pissing, rain is just yellow around these parts' 1781365;1517847038;mircea_popescu;hanbot hey, remember when trilema was declared "illegal" because i had an ocean of stickers put up in the vein of http://trilema.com/2016/pizdi/ and they a) had never thought of it and b) couldn't afford the coupla benjies even if they had thought of it, so massive butthurt ensued ? 1781366;1517847043;mircea_popescu;what was it, 2010 maybe. 1781367;1517847073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which they 1781368;1517847088;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at any rate, i'd say about 1/3 of pre-2012 trilema consists pretty much of this, "corner ro toporisk, erape them, publish the results". 1781369;1517847099;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the hipster bunch.\ 1781370;1517847102;asciilifeform;aa 1781371;1517847126;*;asciilifeform was rereading one just the other day, the one with the flowery dress 1781372;1517847130;asciilifeform;'nesuferita' or what was it 1781373;1517847134;mircea_popescu;"they" in the sense that there was some evident central structure, prolly driven by us embassy on a tight budget, and there was a lot of faking audience numbers and so on. 1781374;1517847148;mircea_popescu;femeia nesuferita, "the insufferable woman". 1781375;1517847152;asciilifeform;aha 1781376;1517847165;mircea_popescu;chick's name was... hm. 1781377;1517847204;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/oameni-de-a-caror-nefericire-ma-bucur/ << jeanne chiriac. she was utterly bankrupt a few years later, but never penned the proper http://trilema.com/2010/bani-pentru-piariste/ self-humiliation piece. 1781378;1517847222;mircea_popescu;somehow even if given the chance, usg-influence agent orc will NOT cut the usg idiocy out with hot shears. 1781379;1517847232;mircea_popescu;would rather keep paying the personal cost of the lie than admit to it being dumb. 1781380;1517847259;asciilifeform;this part i always found puzzling. why not take the chance for revenge 1781381;1517847276;mircea_popescu;so you know, to alf's absolute standard, "she never suffered the consequences", i guess. 1781382;1517847287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because the poor have no souls. 1781383;1517847302;asciilifeform;i suppose this is not so diff from the folx who kept shilling for e.g. pirate ~after~ the magic day 1781384;1517847303;mircea_popescu;they're just items. can you imagine a chair taking revenge ? 1781385;1517847309;mircea_popescu;quite. 1781386;1517847381;asciilifeform;dunno that 'chair' is the right model. they have at least the elementary behaviours of e.g. fruit flies. 1781387;1517847413;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "chair knows enough to roll down a grade". mmkay ? 1781388;1517847417;hanbot;mircea_popescu sure i remember, was one of the more hysterical objections i'd ever heard. and iirc it wasn't just that *trilema* was "illegal"; *you* were lol 1781389;1517847523;mircea_popescu;"check me out, master of the chairs, i roll them down inclines!!!" ie http://trilema.com/2010/aventurile-zilei/#selection-49.743-49.975 1781390;1517847553;mircea_popescu;if you're willing to say the "pay me what i say for me to do what i think i should do" class is more like gnats than chairs, in the end it makes no difference, mechanisms are still not people. 1781391;1517847595;hanbot;to its credit, chair never threw itself into my wine, to have to be fished out. 1781392;1517847640;mircea_popescu;btw, speaking of the pizdi thing : can you even for a second believe thant 100% (that is, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT) of respondents were MALE, penning items in the vein of "well... maybe you need help fucking the herd you already got ? you never know ? hm ?" 1781393;1517847834;asciilifeform;how come nobody writes in, in response to mircea_popescu's food articles, offering to 'help' to eat the mega-caeks ? ( or... do they ) 1781394;1517847881;asciilifeform;or is it clear even to maggot that if mircea_popescu wanted to feed a cake to maggots, he can get them right outside of his window, and doesn't need to import from overseas ? but for this other item somehow not clear 1781395;1517847892;mircea_popescu;local beer drinkin' gals (and the beer here is terryfying swill) think my fine rum (which is indeed finest in the world) is no good. 1781396;1517847904;mircea_popescu;the thing with food is that if you're used to crap, good food tastes dubious at best to you. 1781397;1517847915;asciilifeform;hey i'm sure the rats in the dumpster also would think it is nogood 1781398;1517847924;asciilifeform;rats drink only finest pisswater 1781399;1517847969;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've met a number of amerivictims who can't abide actual cheese, for stated reason. 1781400;1517848106;mircea_popescu;so virgin bois destined to a life of online cuckolding (speaking of which -- seriously now, stop fighting it, look how pretty it is : http://boards.4chan.org/gif/thread/12067714 ) can sorta imagine themselves fucking my holes ; but on the other hand http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/#selection-71.0-73.47 1781401;1517848160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've met a bunch of "vegetarian" gals that are no longer ; much like i actually fuck about half-lesbians by headcount these days. if you don't know how $item is, easy enough to "give it up" 1781402;1517848213;mircea_popescu;in retrospect, that 50% may be severely understated -- i can't think of a girl that actually likes boys. even if not gay, the selection on tap is such that... well... 1781403;1517849052;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781244 << believe. https://archive.is/dOSIl#selection-95.166-95.203 1781404;1517849052;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 14:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781218 << laugh, but until today i had nfi that this mistranslation existed ! and it is still not clear to me how it was possible to come up with it while knowing that the orig referred to springs ( where the correct orig statement is true, and the bastardized -- elementarily -- not ) 1781405;1517849075;asciilifeform;holyfuq yes 1781406;1517849083;asciilifeform;apparently not just pediwiki-proper 1781407;1517849090;mircea_popescu;no, some domain squatter. 1781408;1517849098;asciilifeform;did these folx ever... see?! a spring 1781409;1517849122;asciilifeform;( not even speaking of latinism; but the subj itself ) 1781410;1517849128;*;mircea_popescu has this sad, and ever saddening, tendency to check "references as available to young lass" whenever item of young lass interest pops in. 1781411;1517849134;mircea_popescu;unyieldingly disappointed in this manner. 1781412;1517849163;asciilifeform;sorta why there's no escape around '1st, learn a human language' item 1781413;1517849173;mircea_popescu;anyway, quoted object is first result on a search, at least on the network i looked at. 1781414;1517849178;asciilifeform;pretty sad. 1781415;1517849247;mircea_popescu;anywa. as to how it is possible... equality, alf. they stuff it in everywhere. 1781416;1517849268;asciilifeform;riight, but this is a... spring. not a synchrophasotron, no. 1781417;1517849280;mircea_popescu;like an alcoholic going about replacing words so room reads rum and vine reads wine, so a libertard, "equality" this and "democracy" that. 1781418;1517849322;mircea_popescu;and if that theory dun satisfy you, i have no better one. 1781419;1517849327;asciilifeform;dunno, i think mircea_popescu's 1st picture, of the elementary 'my language lost the human parts' is spot on 1781420;1517849365;asciilifeform;removal of essential parts, yields nonsense 1781421;1517849379;asciilifeform;( just what type of nonsense in particular case -- is ~randomola ) 1781422;1517849438;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2017-statement-2/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2017 Statement 1781423;1517849439;mircea_popescu;one harem amusement is, girls propose batshit insane anti-engineering devices. such as, for example, a car made out of poured concrete. then they proceed to defend it as best they can. 1781424;1517849447;mircea_popescu;i think it's quite the educational maneuver. 1781425;1517849451;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ check it btw. 1781426;1517849461;*;mircea_popescu will now fix the title. 1781427;1517849469;asciilifeform;checks out, lol 1781428;1517849491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do they know about edison's concrete sofa? 1781429;1517849500;mircea_popescu;nope. 1781430;1517849504;asciilifeform;or for that matter the lulzboat 1781431;1517849506;asciilifeform;what was it 1781432;1517849510;asciilifeform;!#s habbakuk 1781433;1517849510;a111;0 results for "habbakuk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=habbakuk 1781434;1517849512;asciilifeform;hm. 1781435;1517849518;asciilifeform;!#s habakkuk 1781436;1517849518;a111;1 result for "habakkuk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=habakkuk 1781437;1517849529;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-january-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), January 2018 Statement 1781438;1517849531;mircea_popescu;well, they soon will, of course. but i hadn't mentioned either. 1781439;1517849559;mircea_popescu;(note, btw, the old link still resolves. and will, till the end of time. at no cost to me.) 1781440;1517849592;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oh hah i assumed it was continuation, for some technical reason, of december -- 'december-2' 1781441;1517849599;asciilifeform;didn't even think to eggog 1781442;1517849601;mircea_popescu;nah. 1781443;1517849816;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781255 << also acceptabru solution, i guess, yeah. 1781444;1517849816;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 15:11 phf: that's accidentally btcbase behavior, next and previous buttons figure out next date by looking at next message's in sequence timestamp 1781445;1517849827;mircea_popescu;massively easy to implement than build a whole day/month state machine. 1781446;1517849898;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781259 << i think the pill for this sort of nonsense is to nuke the dependency graph altogether, bitch may depend on what you tell it to depend on and naught else. 1781447;1517849898;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 15:20 phf: asciilifeform: by the way, freebsd's ports system (i tried it on a machine that can actually compile things, unlike x60) is a little bit more configurable than pkgsrc/openbsd, so you can actually disable dbus in emacs or firefox! but the lulz of lulz, firefox depends on gtk3, where you can't configure out dbus, so presumably it gets pulled anyway. 1781448;1517849944;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pkgsrc/portage/etc concern extant heathenware, strictly. 1781449;1517849945;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781262 << why not simply "do not permit package to demand, merely suggest priors". 1781450;1517849945;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 15:21 asciilifeform: still something that imho a respectable ports collection oughta be able to auto-disgorge, e.g. 'give me last ff that didn't demand gtk3' 1781451;1517849971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...cuz heathens write against specific ver of $lib, naturally 1781452;1517849972;mircea_popescu;yes but build should not die simply because of nominal concerns, "imperial-catamite put $x in list of requirements". 1781453;1517849973;asciilifeform;why else. 1781454;1517849977;mircea_popescu;psh. 1781455;1517849993;mircea_popescu;they don't. they just put the right words in the makefile. 1781456;1517850039;asciilifeform;the build barfs, on account of 'we #include and but you only have liquishit19.h and it takes 3 void * args in fucksheep() but our, Improved!1, takes 5 ' 1781457;1517850049;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sometimes one, sometimes the other. sadly. 1781458;1517850080;mircea_popescu;even though this is true, still no reason to permit them to name things. 1781459;1517850098;mircea_popescu;first let the build fail, then look at whether yo ucan be arsed to fix, then call it dead. 1781460;1517850102;asciilifeform;sometimes, trivial fix. ( koch's gpg had at least 1 case, iirc ) but doesn't generalize to a mechanical fixer. 1781461;1517850118;mircea_popescu;you'd be surprised how often the "requirements" can simply be trampled with nary a shit given as to whose hopes and aspirations this rapes and how badly. 1781462;1517850139;asciilifeform;well yes, recall where i bulldozered out the autoconfism in mpi 1781463;1517850142;mircea_popescu;not mechanical, no. just the principle of the thing -- jwz's indications of "required" are worth exactly as much as jwz itself. 1781464;1517850151;mircea_popescu;right. 1781465;1517850200;asciilifeform;so no, not surprised. but said removals require good bit of actual work with hands; i have very rarely found that it was possible to do it 'with 3 lines of sed' 1781466;1517850248;mircea_popescu;then again you don't so much like sed. 1781467;1517850275;mircea_popescu;(the true problem is that you end up with approximable programs, that do who knows what ; so not fit for running en serio) 1781468;1517850276;asciilifeform;fwiw there are a number of proggies i was not able to build on that x60 , under my gentoo banflag-list . e.g. 'chromium', number of others. 1781469;1517850298;asciilifeform;dedicated entomologist could prolly clean out the dbusism from'em. but i did not want to waste whole month. 1781470;1517850322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, as naggum described in re perlism 1781471;1517850336;asciilifeform;they compose 'except when they don't', as in the various vdiff inbandism headaches 1781472;1517850351;asciilifeform;!#s naggum false positives 1781473;1517850351;a111;1 result for "naggum false positives", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=naggum%20false%20positives 1781474;1517851163;mircea_popescu;to give comprehension a chance : the joke in http://trilema.com/2011/spamerul-dan-pulic/#selection-99.54-99.175 is not really comprehensible without the visual aid found in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJCwxCLklg about 1 minute in. 1781475;1517852012;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781391 << the difference is technical, chair "threw itself" into toe, stubbing it. 1781476;1517852012;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 16:19 hanbot: to its credit, chair never threw itself into my wine, to have to be fished out. 1781477;1517852106;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781395 << ancient in this vein, http://trilema.com/2011/caviarul-si-fata/#selection-21.0-29.341 1781478;1517852106;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 16:24 mircea_popescu: local beer drinkin' gals (and the beer here is terryfying swill) think my fine rum (which is indeed finest in the world) is no good. 1781479;1517852245;asciilifeform;wat's a implant de cotor ? 1781480;1517852272;mircea_popescu;cotor => book spine, the tough part of cabbage, more generally a hard core of things 1781481;1517852291;asciilifeform;lol kernel 1781482;1517852294;mircea_popescu;the core of an apple, on it goes. 1781483;1517852299;mircea_popescu;kernel is more like nibblet neh ? 1781484;1517852313;asciilifeform;iirc it is a 'kernel', in a cabbage, in eng, neh 1781485;1517852319;mircea_popescu;https://dexonline.ro/definitie/cotor << consider, it's a page! 1781486;1517852341;mircea_popescu;anyway, the metonimy there suggests "to harden them up chemically", ie implant (like silicone implants) but of hardness not of bigness. 1781487;1517852367;asciilifeform;aa 1781488;1517852727;asciilifeform;interesting 2011 piece btw 1781489;1517852798;asciilifeform;in american 'high end' shops there is, incidentally, product claiming to be 'Ersteklasse', but (largely from asciilifeform's childhood memory) i would say that it is a lie, is actually 'Zweite Klasse' per mircea_popescu's table. 1781490;1517853307;mircea_popescu;im not aware anyone actually exports beluga to the us 1781491;1517853319;asciilifeform;bolgaria? 1781492;1517853338;mircea_popescu;(this -- much more common problem for usgistan than ever admitted, or even realised. most ro good wines are not exported ; similarly not french, nor etcetera.) 1781493;1517853345;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc the russkis produced most of it. 1781494;1517853354;asciilifeform;#1, followed iirc by iran 1781495;1517853384;mircea_popescu;well, caspian peoples. yeah. 1781496;1517853419;asciilifeform;recall incidentally that the orig 'spreading worx!11' lulgem concerned synth-caviar. 1781497;1517853430;asciilifeform;which, sadly enuff, actually 'exists'. 1781498;1517853440;mircea_popescu;another example of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731593 problem 1781499;1517853440;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 22:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731544 << everyone is, as a result of usg militant tardation. i can just drive into brazil. you -- can not. they "banned" turkish visitors, as if anyone from turkey could be arsed to go to the us ; turkey reciprocated, meaning about 70% of classical antiquity is now off limits to what in english passes for "the civilised world". 1781500;1517853444;asciilifeform;(spreading -- i will attest -- indeed works...) 1781501;1517853457;mircea_popescu;for a country that produces nothing and has nothing, the us manages to isolate itself from all markets worth the mention with admirable abandon. 1781502;1517853999;trinque;"Oh yeah? We still produce RST packets!" said the agent, before losing his gaze in a cup of Folgers. 1781503;1517854173;asciilifeform;trinque: oblig http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-03#1260921 1781504;1517854173;a111;Logged on 2015-09-03 03:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260904 << i recently met a fella who cannot drink american instant coffee. breaks out in hives. and not on account of the coffee, but from having allergy to... cockroaches. 1781505;1517854241;*;trinque believes 1781506;1517854416;asciilifeform;https://youtu.be/1Ol2WJIoE0A?t=1m8s << oblig tru-to-laef hollywoodism 1781507;1517854487;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in great trilemas i should probably translate, http://trilema.com/2011/exercitiu-practic-de-dileme-morale/ 1781508;1517854494;mircea_popescu;great comments, too. 1781509;1517854515;asciilifeform;nao that i think of it, that whole (otherwise almost intolerably ameritardian) film was really about amerifood 1781510;1517854520;mircea_popescu;trinque word lol. 1781511;1517854531;asciilifeform;strong leitmotif throughout 1781512;1517854539;asciilifeform;'omfg they still have Real Eggs!111' etc 1781513;1517854568;mircea_popescu;is this some soylent green takeoff ? 1781514;1517854604;asciilifeform;this is the one where errybody is somehow inside a train 1781515;1517854634;mircea_popescu;ah, speaking of trains, here's a story i wanted to tell! 1781516;1517854653;mircea_popescu;so, the ~reason~ north america ended up speaking english is two fold, and has nothing to do with anglotards. 1781517;1517854658;asciilifeform;( entomologists who enjoyed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769612 etc , will like this one ) 1781518;1517854658;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 02:13 asciilifeform: the one with 'rich folx live in space station nao' 1781519;1517854717;mircea_popescu;1. when presented the steam engine, napoleon failed to see what's so great about it, resulting in no french steamboats. 2. once the english started using the steam engine in land mobility applications, the french incredibly idiotically made their railroads state property, thus ensuring they had no technology and no experts on hand. 1781520;1517854801;mircea_popescu;because the english had the railroad private, by the time they were ~done with it and the us was starting, they exported (unintentionally) a lot of the "mature" technology across the ocean. the united states was built atop the railroad, and consequently imported english like it imported http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-10#1723584 1781521;1517854801;a111;Logged on 2017-10-10 01:45 mircea_popescu: used anything there was a significant chance to break a wheel in the road, as all the trails were built by 1435 mm wheels. but why were they ? because when the romans originally landed, they used 1435 mm wide wheelbases, which they had originally specified because it is what two average horses asses cover. 1781522;1517854852;mircea_popescu;had the french had the sense to ironclad in 1799 and to private railroad in 1820, likely us rail system would have started from st louis and new orleans rather than new york and philadelphia, and as a result the 1860 dispute would have been a case of "tiny english east being shaken off humongous french colonial empire". 1781523;1517854866;mircea_popescu;ie, english would have been spoken in america the way french is spoken in canada. 1781524;1517854871;asciilifeform;the french had fucked their goat long before this checkmate tho 1781525;1517854880;asciilifeform;( to be fair mircea_popescu discussed this at length in old articles ) 1781526;1517854901;mircea_popescu;it's a fabulous case to illustrate what a) personal failure in divine leader coupled with b) state always ruins all opportunities can produce in a short century. 1781527;1517854934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's my considered oppinion that had napoleon switched the fleet to ironclads and had the french state not been permitted to operate any railroads, they'd have rebounded. 1781528;1517854958;mircea_popescu;of course, not in any meaningful sense -- england itself is still a shithole today, with that as it'd have been without that (holland, or portugal work as baseline) 1781529;1517854991;asciilifeform;sitting on an island suxx, noose-at-11 1781530;1517855025;mircea_popescu;but anyway, spencer correctly points out the state-run french railways were a joke mid 1800s. 1781531;1517855029;mircea_popescu;they were. 1781532;1517855065;mircea_popescu;the importance of this, however, afaik went unnoticed. it makes a fucking difference to not have sluts ready to go on an adventure. 1781533;1517855078;mircea_popescu;and no state ever produces much in the way of sluts. 1781534;1517855162;mircea_popescu;aaahahahaha! in other wins... fetlife now has an announcement, "unfortunately, creating new messages is currently broken". very much http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/ continuation lmao 1781535;1517855179;asciilifeform;lol! 1781536;1517855188;asciilifeform;ain't that the central knob ? 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<< the added element. 1781538;1517855207;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nfi! 1781539;1517855240;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: broke the messages table! 1781540;1517855270;mircea_popescu;nah, i expect http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779731 bothered them. 1781541;1517855270;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 19:56 mircea_popescu: it's deeply retarded, because it's algorithmic. sleep $[ ( $RANDOM % x ) + y evidently kills it. 1781542;1517855274;asciilifeform;upstack re the rails, a bit moarcomplicated, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1669896 1781543;1517855274;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 03:16 asciilifeform: tell the folx expropriated by usg-cum-'private'railroads ( live <10mile of new tracks ? lose land ) about 'property right' , etc 1781544;1517855290;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no 1800s rail development involved expropriation. 1781545;1517855297;mircea_popescu;very capitalist country, land was always bought. 1781546;1517855316;mircea_popescu;(for the curious : 40k/track mile was a generous-ishj appropriation for rail back then) 1781547;1517855331;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it wasn't technically expropriation -- iirc it was 1st given away to 'homesteaders' and then 'ungiven' when track was built 1781548;1517855348;mircea_popescu;it's about 100mn currently, which implies a 2500x devaluation in the interval. 1781549;1517855372;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2500 ^ (1/150) 1781550;1517855373;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2500 ^ (1/150) = 1.0535446192793132 1781551;1517855378;mircea_popescu;5% per annum. 1781552;1517855387;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, was always bought. 1781553;1517855461;asciilifeform;!~google pacific railroad act 1781554;1517855462;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Pacific Railroad Acts - Wikipedia: ; Our Documents - Pacific Railway Act (1862): ; Pacific Railway Act : Primary Documents of American History (Virtual ...: 1781555;1517855501;mircea_popescu;yes ? the above "40k/track mile" is congress appropriations also. 1781556;1517855506;mircea_popescu;who else was going to supply money. 1781557;1517855589;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781388 << looks like im about to be illegal yet again!!!1 1781558;1517855589;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 16:16 hanbot: mircea_popescu sure i remember, was one of the more hysterical objections i'd ever heard. and iirc it wasn't just that *trilema* was "illegal"; *you* were lol 1781559;1517855614;mircea_popescu;mp, teh illegal alien [being of puree nergy] 1781560;1517855631;asciilifeform;lol,there was a pause, was there a mp legalization act passed by parliament, then rescinded!?!11 1781561;1517855682;mircea_popescu;i dunno. 1781562;1517855692;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re the rails, i still don't wholly grasp whether the railroad co's in 19th c usa actually robbed anybody, or whether (as seems moar plausible) the whole thing was an early sneak preview of early-bitcoinism 1781563;1517855696;mircea_popescu;i think the way the socialist empires work, everything they do decays over time. 1781564;1517855709;asciilifeform;i.e. suddenly 'near the rails' became 'the place to be', and all the land was already owned by the grantees 1781565;1517855712;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i much believe the former. 1781566;1517855731;asciilifeform;so -- robbed? 1781567;1517855737;mircea_popescu;you gotta understand what "capitalism" meant. you could, and often people DID, walk on premises of say farm, make cash offer to owner, and he'd be out in a week. 1781568;1517855749;mircea_popescu;try this in "civilised" europe, people hurr durr about "their ancestors" wtf batshit nonsense. 1781569;1517855758;mircea_popescu;america was great specifically because it didn't have that kind of people. 1781570;1517855772;mircea_popescu;"say one dollar more over its fair value and it's yours. the woman will get used to it." 1781571;1517855775;asciilifeform;well yes, they stripped away the feudal scaffolding. naturally what's left, is this 1781572;1517855821;asciilifeform;but where's the robbery 1781573;1517855831;mircea_popescu;so i have little trouble believing, as clemens describes, "mark spot for depoit, buy the land from farmer, sell later at profit" 1781574;1517855837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what robbery ? 1781575;1517855843;asciilifeform;well you did say 'the former' 1781576;1517855847;asciilifeform;so i parsed. 1781577;1517855855;mircea_popescu;just because michael moore of 1800s ranted about "robber barons" don't mean jack. 1781578;1517855862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a no meant latter. 1781579;1517855867;asciilifeform;ahahahah lolk 1781580;1517855881;asciilifeform;( hey, asciilifeform had at least 1 thread where 'and by + i meant - !' so.) 1781581;1517855887;mircea_popescu;happens! 1781582;1517855977;mircea_popescu;back to teh fetlife lulz : the amusing part, at least toi me, is that friend-adding still works! i'm the happy owner of an account with 7890 of them. which i expect is the site record. 1781583;1517855978;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-06#1010627 << lesser-known but imho also interesting example from 20th c americas 1781584;1517855978;a111;Logged on 2015-02-06 19:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it 3) government steps in... <<< see also the famous example of syntex corp. in mexico (carl djerassi!) - first mass-production of synthetic progestins, then nationalized, then gone - 'bad luck!' 1781585;1517856216;asciilifeform;the interesting and very btc-like aspect of the rr landgrants was that they were initially seen as ~totally worthless 1781586;1517856230;mircea_popescu;quite. 1781587;1517856233;asciilifeform;( 'indians will prevent any construction' , etc ) 1781588;1517856241;mircea_popescu;much like landgrants in the new world were generally seen, for a long time. 1781589;1517856245;asciilifeform;and if there had been a property tax in those days -- prolly would've been 0 takers 1781590;1517856263;mircea_popescu;sure. cash starved. 1781591;1517856298;mircea_popescu;(in fact, difference between new york and buenos aires wrt their relative impacts on countryside is probably MOSTLY explained by taxation) 1781592;1517856317;asciilifeform;then fastforward to the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-13#794524 maggotry, 'where's ours?!!' etc 1781593;1517856317;a111;Logged on 2014-08-13 14:40 asciilifeform: 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are, then just swoop in and collect... This means the only way they can get in is if you let them get in. Don’t let them get in for cheap - they have no business here.' (mp's http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollar 1781594;1517856347;mircea_popescu;yup. 1781595;1517856421;mircea_popescu;imagine what'd have happened to a body that spent $2k to buy 200 pizza's ie 2mn bitcoin back in 2009 if he paid "tax" on his stash every year. 1781596;1517856445;asciilifeform;can observe however that the flip-side of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781569 medal is that europistan has actual cultures, but ameristan -- not 1781597;1517856445;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 18:35 mircea_popescu: america was great specifically because it didn't have that kind of people. 1781598;1517856450;mircea_popescu;2mn halved every year for a decade ain't come to much. 1781599;1517856510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't clear that anybody'dve bothered with bitcoinism if this scenario were possible 1781600;1517856523;asciilifeform;( 'slow paypal that eats disk', it'd be ) 1781601;1517856533;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, culture is entirely the product of regular rape. if you don't bother invading the town across the hill, killing all the men and raping all the women THAT ARE EAGER FOR IT (see http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-57.0-59.17 ) and killing all the rest, there's simply no way to have a culture, no matter what. 1781602;1517856545;mircea_popescu;this is what culture is, the contents of the ashtray in which the above was smoked. 1781603;1517856591;asciilifeform;ashes are good fertilizer but not themselves plant life. witness the near east (buchara etc) that never recovered from the mongol-therapy. 1781604;1517856626;asciilifeform;this pov is imho rather like 'it is the garbagecollector that makes for a lispm' 1781605;1517856633;asciilifeform;gc -- needed. but not alone. 1781606;1517856638;mircea_popescu;i do not believe it is "never recovered from mongol therapy", i believe it's "And they were such retarded pantsuits, not even the mongols could help them" 1781607;1517856669;mircea_popescu;just because one manages to die in spite of penicillin doesn't mean antibiotics aren't the end of transmissible disease. 1781608;1517856824;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2018/02/05/is-this-what-you-get-for-trying-to-help-the-less-fortunate/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Is this what you get for trying to help the less fortunate? 1781609;1517856959;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1781610;1517856968;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6920.0, vol: 37210.95668405 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7024.9, vol: 117719.01503665 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6899.3, vol: 16384.84235 | Volume-weighted last average: 6990.10227636 1781611;1517856989;mircea_popescu;o noes! 1781612;1517857032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't it lulzy how there's EXACTLY the same "volume" going on the fiat fansites irrespective ? 1781613;1517857041;asciilifeform;is what i was thinkin'! 1781614;1517857067;asciilifeform;!#s BTCUSD vol: 1781615;1517857068;a111;1065 results for "BTCUSD vol:", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=BTCUSD%20vol%3A 1781616;1517857074;asciilifeform;^ handy table 1781617;1517857079;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22Volume-weighted+last+average%22 << for ready lulz 1781618;1517857082;mircea_popescu;oh redundancy 1781619;1517857092;trinque;usg wants to sell me sub $1k coin, that's just fine by me. lets go 1781620;1517857108;trinque;bitcoin's dead everyone, nothing to see here. 1781621;1517857122;asciilifeform;i wouldn't complain over a rerun of the sacramental 100... 1781622;1517857173;mircea_popescu;last: 6920.0, vol: 37210.95668405 ; last 9962.0, vol: 43036.01398257 ; last: 13681.37, vol: 10706.72692343 ; last: 16607.0, vol: 32318.56936603 and so following. 1781623;1517857249;mircea_popescu;basically, usg got what, 3-5k bitcoin, which it keeps sloshing back and forth to itself on closed "exchange" tripod websites ? 1781624;1517857371;asciilifeform;give-or-take a coupla 0s 1781625;1517857377;mircea_popescu;lmao no way. 1781626;1517857394;asciilifeform;well they couldn't have pissed away ~all~ the stolen coin, eh 1781627;1517857467;mircea_popescu;o ? and why not ? 1781628;1517857479;mircea_popescu;who paid for, eg, the actual coins i got selling their bch thing, santa ? 1781629;1517857508;mircea_popescu;being the empire in this game very much has a cost, by heller und pfenning. erry day they gotta pay. 1781630;1517857611;mircea_popescu;and if nothing else, the abandonment of the pretense to picking winners in the space, "this is the official usg altcoin" bullshit seems to me sufficient proof they're ~out of steam. 1781631;1517857656;mircea_popescu;oh, where are ye bluestate.doge, mit.ethereum, orcistan.bch... it was such nice knowing ye... 1781632;1517859837;asciilifeform;it ~is~ possible (or at least cannot, from my perch, be ruled out) that they took in moar coin from chumpers than disgorged to mircea_popescu 1781633;1517859840;asciilifeform;and came out + 1781634;1517861355;mircea_popescu;it is also possible average crack whore has a pile of microsoft stock she's not selling. 1781635;1517861469;asciilifeform;relatedly, i recently hung up a 'premium, high end' corkboard, several square metres, and it turns out that 1) maybe half the depth is actual cork, the rest -- cardboard 2) no other kind is available 1781636;1517861474;asciilifeform;'use shorter tacks, terrorist' 1781637;1517861488;asciilifeform;'cork shortage' 1781638;1517861504;mircea_popescu;heh. this oddly reminds me of my expensive imported coasters 1781639;1517861623;asciilifeform;how did those go 1781640;1517861764;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703913 & following 1781641;1517861764;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:39 mircea_popescu: here's the problems with "expensive, upscale" coasters : they're not a square of cut up cork, like you'd expect if they were you know, uncivilised, unglamorous, un-internet-of-things orcfare. no. they're a thin strip of cork glued to cardboard with some shiny drawings on top. 1781642;1517861790;asciilifeform;aa yes! exactly same substance. minus the shiny. and scaled up to cover a wall. 1781643;1517861863;asciilifeform;to make the thing last even a short while, the maker used very tough cardboard to replace the missing cork. but as result the tack barely want to go in at all, create the temptation to keep a hammer nearby , and provoke the question of why then bothered to buy and hang up the item to begin with, could as easily hammer into wall 1781644;1517861961;asciilifeform;( the offensive scamitude is not even in the lack of cork -- to make a cheap ersatz corkboard, they could've used e.g. rubber from old tires, anything similarly 'self-healing' . but no, had to imitate the genuine article , PRETEND ) 1781645;1517861963;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i recently procured a sizable amount from grainger https://www.grainger.com/category/cork-sheet-stock/cork/raw-materials/ecatalog/N-c10?searchRedirect=cork 1781646;1517861982;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: betcha it's recycled cork 1781647;1517861984;asciilifeform;crumbles. 1781648;1517861998;asciilifeform;it's fit for insulating studios etc , but not corkboard. 1781649;1517862006;ben_vulpes;may be so 1781650;1517862024;asciilifeform;also seems to cost ~more~ than my board 1781651;1517862055;ben_vulpes;there's also mcmaster carr 1781652;1517862076;asciilifeform;catalogue # 425V99 , a quarter of what i have, same thickness, and minus the frame -- costs 3x what i paid 1781653;1517862083;asciilifeform;(quarter area-wise) 1781654;1517862083;ben_vulpes;"also used in bulletin boards" https://www.mcmaster.com/#cork/=1bfwidd 1781655;1517862125;asciilifeform;i think i have the # 5664T11 . 1781656;1517862133;asciilifeform;ersatz. 1781657;1517862139;asciilifeform;betcha -- all of'em. 1781658;1517862203;ben_vulpes;real stuff is expensive, nyooz at ereven 1781659;1517862212;asciilifeform;not simply expensive. unavailable. 1781660;1517862222;asciilifeform;i can live with 'expensive' 1781661;1517862245;asciilifeform;but i have nfi where to get board of actual cork, short of going to , wherever, portugal, and buying the tree... 1781662;1517863305;mircea_popescu;and in today's "engineering's not my calling" : i have some nice thick candles, which no longer burn because the thread-thin wicks they came with aren't strong enough to melt the whole thickness and as a result they get drowned in melted wax. 1781663;1517863330;mircea_popescu;but, think i, i've this nice cm thick natural linen rope for the girls, how about i use knife to cut new hole and replace mm wick with cm wick ? 1781664;1517863356;mircea_popescu;well... turns out that they burn great, in the medieval sense : they smoke now. entirely unusable in dainty 21th century "colonial style" house awash in whitewash. 1781665;1517863489;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they dun wanna DO anything ; they just wanna LOOK A CERTAIN WAY. 1781666;1517866217;mircea_popescu;!!pay diana_coman 0.81 1781667;1517866221;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XdxGX/?raw=true 1781668;1517867280;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-january-2018-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), January 2018 Statement 1781669;1517869051;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/f6jEE/?raw=true 1781670;1517869056;deedbot;accepted: 1 1781671;1517869060;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a9G7g/?raw=true 1781672;1517869062;deedbot;accepted: 1 1781673;1517869188;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you managed to sell 4 out of 25 cents somehow ? 1781674;1517869310;BingoBoingo;So far, the other people advertising on local BTC last I checked were skittish. Will try to make some more trade dates, but the OKcupid thing pre-mike_c seemed like an easier way to meet people 1781675;1517869319;mircea_popescu;um. 1781676;1517869329;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would you sell it half price. 1781677;1517869347;BingoBoingo;half price? 1781678;1517869382;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773454 << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773295 1781679;1517869382;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 15:25 mircea_popescu: !!pay BingoBoingo 0.25 1781680;1517869382;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 15:05 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12681.11, vol: 12028.04435018 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12592.0, vol: 46503.75514921 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12688.9, vol: 5237.5615253 | Volume-weighted last average: 12616.7664195 1781681;1517869391;mircea_popescu;where are you getting 12.600 now ? 1781682;1517869640;BingoBoingo;By the time I made the date it was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774838 The trade cost 0.04876872 in BTC and delivered 500 Dosiedoes 1781683;1517869640;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 17:19 BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all 1781684;1517869666;BingoBoingo;Right now I am waiting and still asking people if they want coffee 1781685;1517869865;mircea_popescu;so was this basically a case of a) you figured you'll play at teh FX speculator and it didn't work out for you or b) you misjudged http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769068 capacity of the place to such a degree, all it could actually absorb was a measly 500 ? 1781686;1517869865;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 17:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what's the plan here, drop upon the dc with brown paper bag fulla cash ? 1781687;1517869922;BingoBoingo;I misjudged the capacity that doesn't involve taking the boat to Buenos Aires. 1781688;1517870050;BingoBoingo;One person could summon $500 and the others on prodding would have been lucky to summon twice that in pesos. 1781689;1517870089;mircea_popescu;hm. 1781690;1517870276;mircea_popescu;aite, well, you'll have to survive on the fiat you have, i dun see selling at these joek prices as sane. 1781691;1517870293;BingoBoingo;Will do 1781692;1517872045;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781690 << might mircea_popescu share an algo for distinguishing 'joek price' from 'sane' ? i could use one 1781693;1517872045;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 22:37 mircea_popescu: aite, well, you'll have to survive on the fiat you have, i dun see selling at these joek prices as sane. 1781694;1517873177;mircea_popescu;sell as little as you need within 10% of the ath and you'll be fine. 1781695;1517873256;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in operation enduring lulzmine, fetlife still beastforum'd. 5 hours. 1781696;1517873508;asciilifeform;notbad 1781697;1517873511;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WA60T/?raw=true << nao with official words. 1781698;1517873536;asciilifeform;'This morning, around 8 AM PST, our database for personal messages ran out of ids. We, the engineers, are to blame for not detecting this before it happened. :( We are very sorry for the inconvenience.' << gold 1781699;1517873546;asciilifeform;we-the-engineers (tm) 1781700;1517873562;mircea_popescu;JohnBaku: devilheart Sorry everyone for this, big booboo on our side! :-( No excuses. 1781701;1517873563;asciilifeform;( does it yet merit inclusion in the glossary ? ) 1781702;1517873582;mircea_popescu;i dunno 1781703;1517873626;asciilifeform;'The alteration of the table is currently in progress. As it is a huge table, it might take some hours to finish' << gotta wonder what is 'huge' here 1781704;1517873642;asciilifeform;( is it bigger than, e.g., phuctor's 8M keyz ) 1781705;1517873658;mircea_popescu;376092400-ish 1781706;1517873664;asciilifeform;of what 1781707;1517873666;mircea_popescu;(yes, of course trivially enumerated, doh) 1781708;1517873666;asciilifeform;rows ? 1781709;1517873669;mircea_popescu;of items. yeah. 1781710;1517873676;mircea_popescu;well, ids. not necessarily stored rows. 1781711;1517873695;asciilifeform;that's about on-par with phuctor's net ( keys, fps, moduli ) 1781712;1517873712;asciilifeform;but somehow the latter ate maybe 30min to walk the table 1781713;1517873715;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not saying they're credible, or at least competent at lying. you asked for the #. 1781714;1517873719;asciilifeform;right 1781715;1517874012;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/#comment-114635 << what's that star in there ? 1781716;1517874132;asciilifeform;btw BingoBoingo , what's a 'CoWork' ? 1781717;1517874141;mircea_popescu;he has a sort of small office. 1781718;1517874144;asciilifeform;aaa 1781719;1517874245;*;asciilifeform bashing his head against the wall , yet again, trying to make a graphical diagram. 1781720;1517874360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw did i miss a sunday night post of yours or what happened ? 1781721;1517874384;asciilifeform;ch10 is a bitch, approx same level of sweat as 1-9 combined 1781722;1517874397;mircea_popescu;are you going to push me into missing phf's deadline here ? 1781723;1517874437;asciilifeform;neh 1781724;1517874456;mircea_popescu;the 5th is on its way to giving way to 6th. 1781725;1517874458;asciilifeform;hm is it absolutely necessary to have photos ? 1781726;1517874465;mircea_popescu;nope. i said, proper spec. 1781727;1517874505;asciilifeform;aite, brb 1781728;1517874555;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo in the end, did you get prices from anyone that weren't utterly ridiculous, 2x internets ? 1781729;1517874623;mircea_popescu;aww poor bb lost weight! how you holding up down there ? 1781730;1517876468;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/#comment-114635 << what's that star in there ? << Note that got cut off where I mention expenses in pesos get converted to Dosiedoes for reporting purposes. 1781731;1517876498;mircea_popescu;ah 1781732;1517876592;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo in the end, did you get prices from anyone that weren't utterly ridiculous, 2x internets ? << Not for shit that isn't lowest common denominator consumer boxes. The datacenter forwarded a spreadsheet SuperMicro sent them with prices for two boxes in quantities up to 20 a piece today. Missing was any information on what the fuck the boxes were. Super Micro included model numbers that don't resolve to anything 1781733;1517876593;BingoBoingo;in their published catalog. 1781734;1517876639;BingoBoingo; aww poor bb lost weight! how you holding up down there ? << It beats the US, but the better my spanish gets the less impressed I am with the locals. 1781735;1517876824;BingoBoingo; btw BingoBoingo , what's a 'CoWork' ? << An office arrangement where they set you up with an address suitable for local fiscal reporting. Lotta outsourced remote workers here, many of the better locals I have encountered. Place to do actual work, the hostel isn't equiped to accomodate that. 1781736;1517877022;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i figure should prolly enact an expense account for you, looking through these ledgers. how's 20 bux a day sound ? 1781737;1517877036;mircea_popescu;at least gotta be able to eat. 1781738;1517877092;BingoBoingo;That sounds very reasonable. 1781739;1517877318;mircea_popescu;aite, count it for feb, that gives you like a benjie headstart. 1781740;1517877318;BingoBoingo;What's left of my fat is very relieved. 1781741;1517877444;BingoBoingo;Thank you 1781742;1517877515;BingoBoingo;!~later tell shinohai Got any Qntra stories baking yet? 1781743;1517877515;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1781744;1517877595;asciilifeform;ok mircea_popescu , ready for the list ? 1781745;1517877599;mircea_popescu;sure. 1781746;1517877612;shinohai;Soon, BingoBoingo .... I have a relapse of the flu curse wafting around here. 1781747;1517877745;asciilifeform;oh, here goes: 1781748;1517877765;asciilifeform;on hand are three machines of the base config seen in http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1022/AS-1022G-URF.cfm ; 1781749;1517877777;asciilifeform;(1) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G 1781750;1517877780;asciilifeform;Disk Cont.: Adaptec/LSI Disk Bays: 8 x 3.5" Disks Currently : none 1781751;1517877787;asciilifeform;(2) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G 1781752;1517877791;asciilifeform;Disk Cont.: Adaptec/LSI Disk Bays: 4 x 3.5" Disks Currently : 4 x Samsung SSD 850 PRO (net 750G) 1781753;1517877800;asciilifeform;(3) 1.9GHz x 24core (Opteron 6168) RAM Installed: 24G RAM Max: 256G 1781754;1517877803;asciilifeform;Disk Cont.: Adaptec/LSI Disk Bays: 4 x 3.5" Disks Currently : none 1781755;1517877827;asciilifeform;^ all three nao have proper (non-mobo) raid cards with lithium backup battery installed 1781756;1517877835;asciilifeform;#2 is Dulap-III, has FG installed 1781757;1517877871;asciilifeform;all 3 have hotswap disk rails; and (why, i do not know, but it's there) 'slim' dvd drive. 1781758;1517877929;asciilifeform;oh misprint : #1 has 2.5" bays. (this makes 0 practical diff, ssd only comes in 2.5, i installed converter rails in the 3.5 slots of the others ) 1781759;1517877963;asciilifeform;all 3 boxes tested by asciilifeform ; and have original packaging and rails. 1781760;1517878080;asciilifeform;all 3 boxes purchased under s.nsa flag; #2 is provisioned with same contents as Dulap-II; the other 2 are sitting diskless and await instruction from mircea_popescu re what he'd like in'em. 1781761;1517878123;asciilifeform;all 3 equipped with 'registered' ECC RAM, incidentally, and bios set to 'max scrub'. 1781762;1517878159;asciilifeform;nao let's hear questions. 1781763;1517878409;*;asciilifeform wonders whether ssd is in fact small enuff to travel via fedex to BingoBoingo without undue problems 1781764;1517878724;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Everything that comes in Fedex/DHL seems to get inspected at customs here. Customs here seems to focus on how things enter the country. If it is fedex/dhl they figure it is prolly a local they can tax on their amazon purchase. If it is in a suitcase it is assumed to be the holy relic of a sacred tourist and thusly undisturbed. 1781765;1517878781;BingoBoingo;Tourist is a priviledged status here 1781766;1517878968;BingoBoingo;Only so much of the population is capable of working as a pinoy+, the competent authorities here are keenly aware that everything they have here is because of tourist expenditures. 1781767;1517879096;BingoBoingo;This country between December and March hosts more tourists than it has people living here. 1781768;1517879196;BingoBoingo;!!up jawbone2 1781769;1517879197;deedbot;jawbone2 voiced for 30 minutes. 1781770;1517879207;BingoBoingo;jawbone2: Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1781771;1517879312;ben_vulpes;hah mircea_popescu did break the messages table! 1781772;1517879609;jawbone2;Howdy my dad is dead, so I suppose he does what dead people do. 1781773;1517879707;BingoBoingo;Bien. De donde sos? 1781774;1517879768;jawbone2;I live in Florida. A sunny place for shady people 1781775;1517879832;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761215 << same ? 1781776;1517879832;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 20:14 jawbone2: My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida. I do not keep a blog yet. That is coming with my webserver project 1781777;1517879839;BingoBoingo;Ah 1781778;1517879844;jawbone2;Que hay de ti? 1781779;1517879858;asciilifeform;^ am i the only one who ever bothers with the !#s from:noob 1781780;1517879890;jawbone2;yes 1781781;1517880034;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: really, xray every envelope looking for disks?? 1781782;1517880110;BingoBoingo;I have not been there, but how many disks are you going to fit in an envelope before it starts looking like a package? 1781783;1517880116;asciilifeform;1 1781784;1517880121;asciilifeform;they're what, half inch thick 1781785;1517880126;asciilifeform;and weigh ~50g 1781786;1517880151;asciilifeform;it aint as if BingoBoingo never seen ssd 1781787;1517880185;BingoBoingo;Like 1/4-1/3 inch thick. Have seen. 1781788;1517880192;asciilifeform;so then. 1781789;1517880330;asciilifeform;and BingoBoingo knows that ssd dun last 4evah. so there'd better be an economical way of getting'em into BingoBoingostan. 1781790;1517880358;BingoBoingo;!~calc 1200/100 1781791;1517880359;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: 1200/100 = 12 1781792;1517880437;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: get a read on how they calculate tax for items in opened envelopes yet? 1781793;1517880553;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the messages table was asking for it. 1781794;1517880564;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform jesus christ dude. 1781795;1517880572;asciilifeform;hm? 1781796;1517880582;mircea_popescu;what the fuck happened to the blog post motherfucking hell 1781797;1517880606;mircea_popescu;you're like, untalkable to. "do you need pictures ?" "no, i said spec" "ok, ima dump it in chan" "NO I SAID DO NOT DUMP IT IN FUCKING CHAN" 1781798;1517880615;mircea_popescu;how exactly is this miswired mess of a nonbrain work ? 1781799;1517880640;asciilifeform;i can paste it in a post, if mircea_popescu really wants 1781800;1517880647;asciilifeform;but i can't magically turn it into moar text 1781801;1517880661;asciilifeform;what's there to say. i have these 3 machines. 1781802;1517880666;mircea_popescu;i tell you to do x, you do non-x, then whine about not being in the loop. then learn nothing from the experience, ready to do it all over again 1781803;1517880674;asciilifeform;( plus buncha obsolete iron, not worth putting in crate ) 1781804;1517880679;mircea_popescu;here, chew on this doozy : i will not use any of your shit now. 1781805;1517880684;mircea_popescu;round #2 of this stupidity. 1781806;1517880689;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing. 1781807;1517880705;asciilifeform;i genuinely don't grasp what is mircea_popescu's problem. 1781808;1517880709;BingoBoingo;How brisk is likely to be underwhelming 1781809;1517880711;mircea_popescu;that's fine. 1781810;1517880786;asciilifeform;i'ma try and make what i suspect mircea_popescu wanted. brb 1781811;1517880807;mircea_popescu;too late. 1781812;1517880820;mircea_popescu;i will literally not take any of your items now. 1781813;1517880902;asciilifeform;they aren't actually mine tho, they're s.nsa inventory, mircea_popescu in fact had paid for'em. 1781814;1517880902;mircea_popescu;you managed to get yourself locked out with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751567 and now you've managed to get yourself locked out of furnishing bbisp. 1781815;1517880902;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 18:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don't talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste. 1781816;1517880944;mircea_popescu;so, people who ~aren't~ asciilifeform : phf still needs a pile of gear for his flight ; BingoBoingo can't produce it locally. i'm looking for system suggestions. 1781817;1517881004;asciilifeform;so what, phf is under orders not to ship completed dulap-III ? mircea_popescu proclaims 's.nsa dun need a www' or FG storefront or wat 1781818;1517881020;mircea_popescu;i don't see how s.nsa will afford a server now, no. 1781819;1517881043;mircea_popescu;maybe at some point. 1781820;1517881079;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf provide quote for shipping asciilifeform's (or maybe mircea_popescu's ?) 1U box, invoice asciilifeform . 1781821;1517881079;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1781822;1517881107;mircea_popescu;he can't provide you a fucking quote on my airfare, what the fuck's wrong with you. 1781823;1517881123;asciilifeform;i'ma buy his airfare. 1781824;1517881154;mircea_popescu;how about you stop doing dumb shit instead of running around trying to fix the dumb shit you already did. 1781825;1517881174;asciilifeform;the problem is to figure out wat exactly mircea_popescu wants 1781826;1517881214;asciilifeform;so as not to throw fits. 1781827;1517881318;mircea_popescu;yes, because reading comprehension's not a forte, and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779930 never happened and so on. 1781828;1517881318;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: just make that post will you! 1781829;1517881344;mircea_popescu;in order to be useful you must actually communicate. this "ima just do whatever the fuck occurs to me" dun cut it. never has, never will. 1781830;1517881367;asciilifeform;picture this, i even took the photos, and cropped, etc. and got stuck trying to satisfy mircea_popescu's earlier http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778264 item 1781831;1517881367;a111;Logged on 2018-01-30 23:08 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777970 << infiniely better to keep time discipline and adjust material than to lose time discipline to adjust it to your disease. 1781832;1517881388;mircea_popescu;where did taking photos come from ? 1781833;1517881428;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779932 << ? 1781834;1517881428;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 asciilifeform: i'ma have to uncrate and photo then, later this weekend. 1781835;1517881450;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779933 <<< god fucking damn it. 1781836;1517881450;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: not even necessarily photo, a simple "here is what we have, COMPLETE specs ; and what we probably might want to ~EVER~ get". 1781837;1517881456;mircea_popescu;do you even read what anyone says ? 1781838;1517881459;asciilifeform;i also have a price table of disks, and discussion of future availability of opteron 1781839;1517881472;mircea_popescu;yes well. maybe some other time. 1781840;1517881623;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma ask , naturally mircea_popescu dun gotta answer : how much rum today 1781841;1517881821;asciilifeform;i ask this because the 3 boxes were purchased in autumn, after pedantically detailed discussion with mircea_popescu (see s.nsa reports for sept, oct 2017); , and on his express approval, paid for, burn-in tested, etc. 1781842;1517881848;asciilifeform;and in no sense represent a failure to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781829 . 1781843;1517881848;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:42 mircea_popescu: in order to be useful you must actually communicate. this "ima just do whatever the fuck occurs to me" dun cut it. never has, never will. 1781844;1517882072;asciilifeform;the 4 ssd were the 'tangibles' in dec 2017 statement. 1781845;1517882148;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu for some reason of his own won't arrange the delivery of the completed box to s.bisp , asciilifeform will have to do so on his own, in furtherance of his obligations as s.nsa cto. 1781846;1517882245;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? 1781847;1517882256;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron can you get a coupla dozen FGs shipped to phf in wash dc ? how much ? 1781848;1517882617;danielpbarron;!!up juhoitse 1781849;1517882617;deedbot;juhoitse voiced for 30 minutes. 1781850;1517882633;danielpbarron;!!help 1781851;1517882633;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1781852;1517882725;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo incidentally, this rack is 19 inch or 23 inch ? 1781853;1517882727;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, yes, how much money? i don't know exactly 1781854;1517882738;mircea_popescu;do the maffs and let me know. 1781855;1517882742;danielpbarron;i can invoice afterwards, what speed shipping should i do? 1781856;1517882773;mircea_popescu;he leaves on 13th, so if you send them say tomorrow they can't possibly be late i dun think ? 1781857;1517882783;danielpbarron;also, should i unbox them to reduce the size/cost? 1781858;1517882795;mircea_popescu;yes. 1781859;1517882800;danielpbarron;alright cool 1781860;1517882869;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu , as s.nsa fuhrer, wouldja condescend to say what it is you want done with the 3u of iron you had commissioned ? 1781861;1517882878;hanbot; picture this, i even took the photos, and cropped, etc. and got stuck trying to satisfy mircea_popescu's earlier item << fwiw, i suspect organizational trouble rather'n deliberate anti-delivery here. i'll say: i spent years imagining i.e. deliberate, detailed scheduling, writing "bullet points" etc was for dumb people, and that naturally i didn't need it. and i got by for various definitions of gettin', but didn't wash in mp's com 1781862;1517882879;hanbot;pany. 1781863;1517882894;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, let me know the address? i'll send them tomorrow 1781864;1517882911;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing in particular, they can just sit and wait. you can write a letter to the shareholders explaining how you fucked up delivery if you wish. 1781865;1517882920;asciilifeform;~i~ fucked delivery ?! 1781866;1517882922;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron aite ; phf send address plox. 1781867;1517882923;hanbot;anyway i humbly suggest breaking out the day by day calendar etc when met with surprises as above. 1781868;1517882960;asciilifeform;hanbot: i have the full stack of communiques from asciilifeform to mircea_popescu re each purchase, his responses, etc. and so does he. it dun seem to help. 1781869;1517882968;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes dude. you were to produce a blog article detailing the items sunday night, you dumped random lines in log monday night isntead. this is what fucking up delivery is. 1781870;1517883001;mircea_popescu;at some point, maybe, if we're lucky, s.nsa will get another chance to have its iron delivered. until then, there it sits. 1781871;1517883044;hanbot;asciilifeform i don't doubt it, but my tidbit is solely re what i quoted from you, ie got stuck trying to satisfy earlier item, and so hadn't produced other item by deadline that prolly didn't even seem like one 1781872;1517883056;asciilifeform;this is what, a bbet-style acid test ? next item is that asciilifeform is expected to go into tilt ? guess wat, asciilifeform is tilt-proof. 1781873;1517883074;mircea_popescu;and as an added bonus, you now get to go about looking for lords willing to bring your ideas about republican iron to the table, because i'm not further looking for your input on the topic just as i'm not further looking for your input on eucrypt topic. 1781874;1517883078;asciilifeform;hanbot: and indeed i'm still grunting out prev item (ffa ch10 ) in conveyor. 1781875;1517883116;mircea_popescu;you wanna participate, you gotta participate, not fuck up people's work for them. 1781876;1517883163;asciilifeform;right, mircea_popescu can pour petrol , light match, and say ' asciilifeform started fire, by not posting cargo manifest in blog ' 1781877;1517883173;mircea_popescu;yup. 1781878;1517883178;asciilifeform;i have nfi what to answer to this. 1781879;1517883221;mircea_popescu;nothing besides next fucking time do post whatever's required as required and naught else. 1781880;1517883245;hanbot;(calendar. srsly. it sounds stupid, i promise it's not.) 1781881;1517883338;asciilifeform;hanbot: the man's clearly imbibed a critical mass of high octane rum, i can only leave him to digest it . 1781882;1517883484;juhoitse;!! register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZZ4dh/?raw=true 1781883;1517883497;juhoitse;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZZ4dh/?raw=true 1781884;1517883499;deedbot;4A19ED232D579FF2F00153ED16DCDF81A0FE0B92 registered as juhoitse. 1781885;1517883501;mircea_popescu;juhoitse no space after !! there you go 1781886;1517883565;danielpbarron;!!pay juhoitse 0.01 1781887;1517883570;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dLREc/?raw=true 1781888;1517883709;hanbot;asciilifeform are you basically arguing that the reaction is disproportionate? 1781889;1517883710;juhoitse;!!balance 1781890;1517883716;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Bhutb/?raw=true 1781891;1517883743;danielpbarron;!!rate juhoitse 1 nazi pug guy fan 1781892;1517883751;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AjuR2/?raw=true 1781893;1517883929;asciilifeform;hanbot: i have nfi what the reaction is, possibly mircea_popescu has indigestion instead of rum, or whatever. i have a total of 3 usable machines, purchased after consultation with mircea_popescu , and reimbursed by him; specs were detailed to mircea_popescu before and after purchase . 1 machine was intended for s.nsa in particular; 2 for use as mircea_popescu later sees fit. whole thing was laid out in the logs on several occasions, 1781894;1517883929;asciilifeform; is well-known to everybody tuned in. 1781895;1517883960;mircea_popescu;what's that to do with anything ? 1781896;1517884051;hanbot;asciilifeform so why not say "this task is stupid and unnecessary and i won't do it" instead of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1780446 ? 1781897;1517884051;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 23:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma uncrate things, take pics, expect a roundup sunday night. 1781898;1517884112;mircea_popescu;why. because it never was "hey, re-tell me what i already know", it was "hey, try and apply your knowledge to producing a list of what we want to buy"/ 1781899;1517884170;asciilifeform;hanbot , mircea_popescu : it ain't unnecessary, but it was stuck on the conveyor behind delayed ch10. asciilifeform (apparently mistakenly) assumed that mircea_popescu could act on the partial info. instead he 'yer an idjit, i'ma make my boxes from old shoes nao instead' 1781900;1517884181;mircea_popescu;so that instead of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 i could've said (YESTERDAY) "hey folks, look at alf's article, make comments" 1781901;1517884181;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? 1781902;1517884215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fucking problem is exactly the "partial info". i'd rather have none. 1781903;1517884258;asciilifeform;the way i parsed mircea_popescu's original work req, is that it was to be primarily a manifest of iron ready to fly in time for phf. 1781904;1517884266;asciilifeform;and secondarily a discussion of obtainable additionals. 1781905;1517884307;mircea_popescu;hey. the job is reading and understanding what's said. nobody else can, or will do it for you. 1781906;1517884313;asciilifeform;from mircea_popescu's 1 sentence ?! 1781907;1517884326;danielpbarron;trinque, what is the fee charged for deedbot withdraw? is there a way to check pre-emptively? 1781908;1517884410;mircea_popescu;if one sentence's insufficient however many more are available upon request. PRIOR rather than POST failure. 1781909;1517884426;asciilifeform;the 'here is what we have' of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779933 is fulfilled by what mircea_popescu termed 'the random garbage in the log' (in fact a complete actionable description of asciilifeform's inventory.) the 'what we will EVER want to get' , and asciilifeform is multiply on record re subj, is more of exactly same , 63xx/61xx opterons , from same surplus contacts where asciilifeform previously obtained the 3. 1781910;1517884426;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: not even necessarily photo, a simple "here is what we have, COMPLETE specs ; and what we probably might want to ~EVER~ get". 1781911;1517884463;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu naturally is free to barf and 'i'ma use old shoe instead' because 'you did not format it as i demanded!' . 1781912;1517884522;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can't be serious ? that whole thing is permanently disposed in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781804 ; it ain't gonna change, what do you imagine this is, kindergarten of free takes ? 1781913;1517884522;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 mircea_popescu: here, chew on this doozy : i will not use any of your shit now. 1781914;1517884532;mircea_popescu;you had your take, fucked it up, maybe at some point you get more. that's it. 1781915;1517884592;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu sees 'fucked it up', i see alcoholic fit. 1781916;1517884663;mircea_popescu;tis a free republic, any can see what he sees. 1781917;1517884669;asciilifeform;verily. 1781918;1517884707;asciilifeform;at any rate, as previously described asciilifeform is tilt-proof, any time mircea_popescu feels like making sense again, is invited to resume. 1781919;1517884743;mircea_popescu;you realise this is the definition of tilt, yes ? "i know better than mp" etc. 1781920;1517884753;asciilifeform;actually i know, apparently, nuffin 1781921;1517884767;asciilifeform;i am utterly unable to make sense of mircea_popescu's eggog 1781922;1517884916;asciilifeform;hanbot's tip re calendars didn't particularly help either. 1781923;1517885109;trinque;danielpbarron: "reasonable based on market conditions" 1781924;1517885115;trinque;and nah, I'm not quoting them ahead of time 1781925;1517885147;trinque;because consider, I automatically quote you a fee, and then the mempool fills up. now what 1781926;1517885149;danielpbarron;trinque, ok so should he try to withdraw the full amount and then it'll say.. ? 1781927;1517885180;asciilifeform;currently i have a clogged conveyor, consisting of 'keep weekly posts, idjit' and 'manifest of now-and-future iron' , in that sequence . asciilifeform sits and continues to grind conveyor. meanwhile mircea_popescu throws fit, 'you fucked it' , etc. 1781928;1517885213;trinque;danielpbarron: if somebody withdraws entire balance, I subtract the tx fee from that amount. 1781929;1517885250;asciilifeform;oh, and not to forget , 'permanently disposed of ' 1781930;1517885305;danielpbarron;trinque, ok thank you 1781931;1517885311;trinque;quite welcome 1781932;1517885384;juhoitse;!!withdraw 0.01 14EuLaLmKLZcSPjwekzDEYSm7HFx7dXYAV 1781933;1517885390;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9sqzl/?raw=true 1781934;1517885615;juhoitse;!!v FA38C1D31C274146E0EC6131057E53C894CBE18F69E53CC16E6BEED121B9731C 1781935;1517885912;asciilifeform;incidentally, if trinque , phf , et al , grasp mircea_popescu's pov, and think ' asciilifeform is idjit ' , invited to explain to asciilifeform . 1781936;1517886454;mod6;I srsly doubt anyone thinks you're an idiot. I certainly do not. Maybe just take an irc break for a few hours. Stop your converyor belt, go and write blog post about boxen; even if too late. Ask forgiveness. Who knows, maybe Mr. Popescu changes his mind. Maybe not. But eitherway, lesson learned 'eh? 1781937;1517886580;asciilifeform;mod6: seems like he dun want $article anymoar . will go into second fit re 'wasted time writing unwanted piece, oughta have done not-yet-cancelled items' 1781938;1517886602;asciilifeform;mod6: i apparently do not have a good working model of mircea_popescu . 1781939;1517886672;asciilifeform;if he says ' ok, moron, go fucking finish it ' i'ma scratch head and finish it ; otherwise i got 9000pounds of what to still do otherwise 1781940;1517886765;asciilifeform;mod6: it isn't clear what i am to apologize to mircea_popescu for : not being a telepath ? not having extra set of hands to make errything on conveyor happen at once ? what, exactly. 1781941;1517887384;mod6;I'm not here to tell you what to do. 1781942;1517887834;asciilifeform;was curious re whether mod6 observed some detail which asciilifeform missed, is all. 1781943;1517887967;mod6;I'm certain that I don't know all of what was discussed between yourself and mircea_popescu - even in this very chamber. 1781944;1517887988;asciilifeform;whole thing is in the logs. 1781945;1517888236;asciilifeform;mod6: there is not some private segment that was not shown ( aside from sept.-dec. exchanges where asciilifeform was directed to obtain $iron, reported on progress, all the way to 'dulap-III ready for installation' ) 1781946;1517888320;mircea_popescu;trinque i suspect his whole thing was "how much under "all" must i withdraw to get it through". but in any case, how hard would it be to have a !!fee that reports "past week avg fee : x (y txn)" "past month avg fee" etc. 1781947;1517888424;trinque;not hard at all; I'm of course recording it all 1781948;1517888444;trinque;we might even get to the point where I *am* willing to quote fees ahead of time 1781949;1517888852;mircea_popescu;well, exposing history is prolly 90% of the job anyway. give people a feel for it. 1781950;1517888873;mircea_popescu;independently interesting from a statistical perspective anyway. 1781951;1517889714;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: why are you not rolling VAT into this pricing scheme? 1781952;1517889901;trinque;not stating an explicit price per U is going to make the folks who aren't independently wealthy hesitant to dive in headfirst. 1781953;1517889925;trinque;not "here's our cost model" plus whatever margin and maybe we find there are other costs later, or something 1781954;1517889947;trinque;"my name is BingoBoingo and a U costs X, the end." pls&ty 1781955;1517889981;*;trinque is probably not the only person who is going to be aggressively buying bitcoin now that the blowoff happened. 1781956;1517890016;trinque;so, my finances are going to stay taught as teenaged pussy in 2018 1781957;1517890165;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 << I've been very pleased with an ASRock-based tower I built recently. 1781958;1517890165;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? 1781959;1517890613;mircea_popescu;trinque thinking about it, dozen boards, dozen cpus, two dozen hdds, ram, fgs... i doubt he can actually carry this much. 1781960;1517890644;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo does the dc provide the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have to be carried from overseas also ? 1781961;1517891385;trinque;if I'm reading this correctly, 26.8 + 5.90 funnybux / wk, which is notbad.jpg 1781962;1517891410;trinque;original estimate was iirc something like 270/mo 1781963;1517892235;ben_vulpes;where does that 5.90 come from? 1781964;1517892256;trinque;22% vat 1781965;1517892284;ben_vulpes;ah ah 1781966;1517892338;trinque;ftr BingoBoingo it would've been clearer to just leave vat (and any other line items) in the calculation for U/wk 1781967;1517892382;*;trinque knows BingoBoingo is *not* trying to omit things, just sets off allergies I developed dealing with other folks 1781968;1517892462;trinque;it's a lovely thing to deal with people who will even tell you how they came to the price. 1781969;1517892930;mircea_popescu;trinque do you actually like weekly pricing for colocation for some reason ? 1781970;1517892995;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/preet-reduced-to-panhandling-disc-jockey-again-demonstrating-costs-of-opposing-republic/ << Qntra - Preet Reduced To Panhandling Disc Jockey, Again Demonstrating Costs Of Opposing Republic 1781971;1517892995;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/buttfunex-preparing-for-another-insertion-sorry-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Buttfunex Preparing For Another Insertion: Sorry For Your Loss 1781972;1517892995;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/pantsuit-seattle-mayor-ed-murray-quits-amid-serial-child-fucking-scandal/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Seattle Mayor Ed Murray Quits Amid Serial Child Fucking Scandal 1781973;1517892995;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/civil-unrest-continues-in-charleston-leftist-culture-warriors-move-historical-revisionism-target-to-university-founder-thomas-jefferson/ << Qntra - Civil Unrest Continues In Charleston: Leftist Culture Warriors Move Historical Revisionism Target To University Founder Thomas Jefferson 1781974;1517892995;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/usg-nsa-buggered-torrent-networks/ << Qntra - USG.NSA Buggered Torrent Networks 1781975;1517892996;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/pantsuits-party-reacts-to-pantsuits-book-by-capitulating-to-president-trump/ << Qntra - Pantsuit's Party Reacts To Pantsuit's Book By Capitulating To President Trump 1781976;1517892996;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/media-and-clergy-orchestrated-civil-disorder-erupts-in-downtown-st-louis-after-acquittal/ << Qntra - Media And Clergy Orchestrated Civil Disorder Erupts In Downtown St Louis After Acquittal 1781977;1517892997;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/illinois-government-places-unfunded-menstrual-mandate-on-local-schools/ << Qntra - Illinois Government Places Unfunded Menstrual Mandate On Local Schools 1781978;1517892997;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/casino-robbed-amid-civil-disorder-in-st-louis/ << Qntra - Casino Robbed Amid Civil Disorder In St Louis 1781979;1517892998;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/actual-healines-found-on-mainstream-fake-news-publications/ << Qntra - Actual Headlines Found On Mainstream "Fake News" Publications 1781980;1517892998;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/us-president-trump-makes-first-address-to-un/ << Qntra - US President Trump Makes First Address To UN 1781981;1517892999;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/latest-bitcoin-network-difficulty-adjustment-up-19-58-percent-to-new-all-time-high-as-chicoms-push-out-local-fiatbitcoin-trading-interfaces/ << Qntra - Latest Bitcoin Network Difficulty Adjustment: Up ~19.58 Percent To New All Time High As Chicoms Push Out Local fiat/Bitcoin Trading Interfaces 1781982;1517892999;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/trump-offers-earthquake-aid-to-mexico-after-mexico-renegs-on-hurricaine-aid-to-texas-terrorist-assault-on-saint-louis-continues/ << Qntra - Trump Offers Earthquake Aid To Mexico After Mexico Renegs on Hurricane Aid To Texas; Terrorist Assault On Saint Louis Continues 1781983;1517893000;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/st-louis-aldermen-pass-resolution-honoring-late-heroin-trafficker/ << Qntra - St Louis Aldermen Pass Resolution Honoring Late Heroin Trafficker 1781984;1517893000;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/russia-erupts-in-nazi-rifle-monument-scandal/ << Qntra - Russia Erupts In Nazi Rifle Monument Scandal 1781985;1517893001;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/oppression-in-spain-heavy-handed-madrid-government-suppressing-catalan-independence-referendum/ << Qntra - Oppression In Spain: Heavy Handed Madrid Government Suppressing Catalan Independence Referendum 1781986;1517893001;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/01/qntra-s-qntr-september-2017-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2017 Report 1781987;1517893002;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/online-again/ << Qntra - Online Again 1781988;1517893002;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/what-happened-while-qntra-was-down/ << Qntra - What Happened While Qntra Was Down 1781989;1517893002;trinque;oh jesus 1781990;1517893003;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/us-intel-committee-releases-memo-damning-fbi-full-text/ << Qntra - US Intel Committee Releases Memo Damning FBI Full Text 1781991;1517893003;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/malware-exploiting-intel-cpu-hardware-vunerabilities-being-found-in-the-wild/ << Qntra - Malware Exploiting Intel CPU Hardware Vunerabilities Being Found In The Wild 1781992;1517893005;trinque;one sec. 1781993;1517893013;mircea_popescu;anyway, i can say outright BingoBoingo 's prices are not correct. i ended up paying a little over 7k for 2 months' of the thing ; that's 3.6k or such post tax / 3k pre-tax not 2323. 1781994;1517893046;mircea_popescu;!~calc 0.58441904 * 14915.6671703 1781995;1517893047;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 0.58441904 * 14915.6671703 = 8716.999888626242 1781996;1517893077;trinque;ah well, that was all of it, I guess. welcome back, qntra 1781997;1517893080;mircea_popescu;hm. conceivably wrong one lessee 1781998;1517893129;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775877 << ya there it was. 1781999;1517893129;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 00:35 mircea_popescu: !~calc 7150 / 11312.7937668 1782000;1517893384;mircea_popescu;so then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage, 1782001;1517893400;mircea_popescu;well apparently this was never published. yo BingoBoingo WHY is your contract that you signed not online ? where's the wattage ? etc. 1782002;1517893454;*;trinque hasn't a preference for weekly, other than manages the bitcoin:fiat interface volatility better, which iirc was the rationale 1782003;1517893461;trinque;was just reading from his blog's weekly numbers 1782004;1517893464;mircea_popescu;aite. 1782005;1517893512;mircea_popescu;trinque i dunno what that post was about, but ima strike it from teh record. 1782006;1517893638;trinque;rate's nb at all 1782007;1517893668;mircea_popescu;anyway, the committment to transparency and in general predictability as shown above is there. 1782008;1517893736;mircea_popescu;the "pay twice the cost but it buys you insurance from "what if the rack doesn't fill" as well as not having to do the legwork" principle seems reasonably fair to me ; it may alter in the future, but for fucking cause. like the prices work in #eulora. 1782009;1517913478;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 <- my only slight dislike of the amd fx is precisely higher power consumption & warming up; while fx 8350s is indeed not that bad on this account, it still consumes more than opteron 6376 afaik 1782010;1517913478;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? 1782011;1517913790;mircea_popescu;diana_coman the power diff is only about 10W. the 6376 does have 16 cores, but then again 8350 is 4GHz vs 3ish... 1782012;1517913978;mircea_popescu;now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats. 1782013;1517914016;diana_coman;well yes, hence "slight dislike" not a deal breaker or anything major; fwiw at this moment I'd say Eulora can certainly live on either 1782014;1517914065;mircea_popescu;seems to me a bad deal to trade 4ghz down to 3 in exchange for 16 cores instead of 8. contrary to all the hubbub, "multithreading" isn't nearly that working in practice. 1782015;1517914097;mircea_popescu;this, of course, is where "teh experts" could contribute, if they weren't busy taking a shit right exactly when they're needed. but... such is lyf. 1782016;1517914295;diana_coman;well, at the end of the day it depends on what software exactly one runs on that computer, not an overall generic answer 1782017;1517914330;mircea_popescu;kinda intended to be a sort of generic offering ; people with specific needs still can ship their gear over. 1782018;1517915360;mircea_popescu;take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x the cores, 4.5x the ram speed, 4.5x the l2/3 cache and 50% the power. basically i'm getting less than twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x the money. meh. 1782019;1517915382;mircea_popescu;i'd rather take another rack. 1782020;1517915466;mircea_popescu;not to mention the item is an atrocity cobbled together out of a dozen or so actual chips, and all sorts of those discussions. 1782021;1517915538;diana_coman;sorry, crap connection this morning, argh 1782022;1517915542;mircea_popescu;:p 1782023;1517915594;diana_coman;I can see the argument as a generic offering , yes; in all fairness it's not like we have a load of properly-speaking multi-threaded software to run 1782024;1517915770;mircea_popescu;~theoretically~ teh linux kernel is multithreaded ; in practice... well, more or less. 32 core certainly does not support 4x the load of 8 core cpus, at least in my (very limited) experience. 1782025;1517915837;diana_coman;oh yes, theoretically all sorts; by "properly-speaking" I meant precisely NOT theoretical 1782026;1517915842;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1782027;1517916727;mircea_popescu;now then, considering that config : the fx-8350 is ~120 bux ; the ASRock 970M PRO3 is like $50 ; 4 x 16GB ddr3-1866 ram chips (say teh crucial ct16g3r186dm) come to about 700 dollars. drives should be about $100 to 150 per. i'm thinking should prolly actually include 2 and 4 disk setups, so taking an average of 3 that's about $1300 per box, which is not bad at all, really. 1782028;1517917579;diana_coman;sounds quite reasonable to me 1782029;1517917610;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781806 << i missed this. say what ? 1782030;1517917610;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing. 1782031;1517920689;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on the cool deal front, http://trilema.com/2013/splendor-in-the-grass/#comment-124461 1782032;1517921130;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781806 << i missed this. say what ? << Is re: Fedexing things of value for the local customs folks to decide are shady unlabeled "internet purchases", apparently that is their term of art. 1782033;1517921130;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing. 1782034;1517921172;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? << Sounds a hell of a lot beefier than the Qntra server. 1782035;1517921180;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo incidentally, this rack is 19 inch or 23 inch ? << 19 inch 1782036;1517921374;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: why are you not rolling VAT into this pricing scheme? << I did not in that draft under the presumption taxes are another salary. 1782037;1517921748;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo does the dc provide the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have to be carried from overseas also ? << Inquiry sent, with a timeline (i.e. can be had next week) 1782038;1517921815;BingoBoingo; well apparently this was never published. yo BingoBoingo WHY is your contract that you signed not online ? where's the wattage ? etc. << Will deturd and publish today 1782039;1517922480;BingoBoingo; incidentally, if trinque , phf , et al , grasp mircea_popescu's pov, and think ' asciilifeform is idjit ' , invited to explain to asciilifeform . << The problem of where to post was the easy part of the ask. Especially in light of the growing napkin doodle problem http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780678 1782040;1517922480;a111;Logged on 2018-02-03 01:36 mircea_popescu: well the whole thing is one huge napkin doodle shared over the chan as it stands 1782041;1517922634;mircea_popescu;o hey there. 1782042;1517922724;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aite on the power and rack cages scores. any tips you want to share with phf ? how's teh suitcase ppls do it ? 1782043;1517922788;mircea_popescu;intel thinking at the time being is, "have the paperwork for mbs and chips in slot 1 ; paperwork for disks in slot 2 ; for ram in slot 3. then if asked for papers, present slot 1, offer to pay, whine and ask for discounts, etc. if that dun pass, add slot 2, whine more insistently." 1782044;1517922820;*;mircea_popescu sees no problem whatsoever in paying 0.22 * 12 * 120+50 = 366.8 vat if it gets the pile across. 1782045;1517922938;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo aite on the power and rack cages scores. any tips you want to share with phf ? how's teh suitcase ppls do it ? << They pad things as appropriate, but they discard the original packaging. Also it is important to grab a customs form, they are on the wall on the right once you exit the duty free store zone, on the opposite side of the space is the baggage claim. 1782046;1517923078;mircea_popescu;word. 1782047;1517923085;mircea_popescu;you gonna be there to pick him up when he lands yes ? 1782048;1517923090;BingoBoingo;From there the actual customs x-ray station and the lines for said station is around a U shaped bend. Usually they apathetically wave people through, the more foreign appearing without being India/Chinese generally the less interest they have. 1782049;1517923209;mircea_popescu;so, to give some guidance here! 1782050;1517923223;BingoBoingo; you gonna be there to pick him up when he lands yes ? << I can be if he asks. From there the plan is proceed to the cowork and unpack the equipment. 1782051;1517923294;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : the logic is, ima want 5 of the dozen ; the rest could each at least in principle support 100 "shared" sorta sites each, at $20 a month or whatever you end up charging. that's, if you manage to fill up the lot, $14`000 per month in revenue. 1782052;1517923341;mircea_popescu;then there's 5 * 41.25 * 7 ~= 1500 from racking the five. if you get say another five items to rack from other folk, that's 3k. 1782053;1517923385;mircea_popescu;so ~in principle~, you can end up very profitable. what's needed is a good system for shared hosting, and hounding the low end forums/whatever. 1782054;1517923396;mircea_popescu;this make sense to you ? 1782055;1517923548;BingoBoingo;This makes an incredible amount of sense. 1782056;1517923563;mircea_popescu;aite. you can certainly eat even out of a half-filled rack, so. it's a biz. 1782057;1517923621;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/ << Ossasepia - Its only words and assumptions; and priorities; and ouch! 1782058;1517923634;mircea_popescu;now, as to everyone else : today's the 6th. the plan is to continue discussing the spec given above, for improvements/refinements/whatever until the 8th ; at which point we start ordering. there's about 15k fiats worth of gear being contemplated, and i'm more than willing to spread it around a few people who want some cheap coins. 1782059;1517923656;mircea_popescu;so, let me know if you're interested in buying some newegg/amazon/whatever for this, danielpbarron pete_dushenski whosoever else. 1782060;1517923742;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for clerical record : the per-month amortisation value of a $1300 box is 1300/12 (ie, we deem them obsolete in one year) ; consequently the retail monthly cost of a $1300 box is 1300/12*2 = 216.666666667 ; or the weekly exactly 50. 1782061;1517923792;mircea_popescu;so your cost basis per shared host would be like $100 weekly, nothing short of a license to print dough. 1782062;1517923897;BingoBoingo;Thank you for the numbers and the opportunity. 1782063;1517923918;mircea_popescu;hey, if we pull this off i'll be just as happy as you. 1782064;1517924012;mircea_popescu;and, to be sure, if you do manage to fill it, and if it does make good dough, i'll be just as happy for you to get a nice villa and import your own german car and diddle all the uruguayan hos you can find. so... 1782065;1517924017;mircea_popescu;make 2018 the year bb becomes rich. 1782066;1517924878;BingoBoingo;Deturding the contract now. Re: the weekly number the 7150 included two one time setup charges so (900+250)*1.22=1403 of the 7150 sum sent is not going to be recurring. Months 2 through 23 of the contract are 2834.06 each after VAT. 1782067;1517924891;mircea_popescu;oooo! 1782068;1517924892;*;BingoBoingo returns to formating tables in plaintext in the anexes 1782069;1517924903;mircea_popescu;check it out trinque even better than originally thought. i forgot about the setup fees. 1782070;1517925075;BingoBoingo;Also after contract is deturded, sometime today a post reflecting on dos meses. 1782071;1517926145;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782057 << the principal difference being that other than holding down a high responsibility tech job with a significant on-call component, ~the woman~ is also raising a child. with the flu and everything. yet somehow her shit is still dribbling out on thursdays, today as nine weeks ago. 1782072;1517926145;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 13:27 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/ << Ossasepia - Its only words and assumptions; and priorities; and ouch! 1782073;1517926814;mircea_popescu;juhoitse so who might you be, other than dpb's friend ? 1782074;1517926839;juhoitse;Not really anyone special, what do you want to know about me? 1782075;1517926867;mircea_popescu;well, what work / studying do you do, that sorta thing. 1782076;1517926903;juhoitse;I'm finishing high school at the moment, going to study engineering in a uni hopefully soon 1782077;1517926914;mircea_popescu;a. cool. 1782078;1517926920;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Here is the whole unredacted contract. I am unsure what, if anything ought to be redacted before publication given the mission of maximally pissing on the enemy by not being a prude http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7WHsY/?raw=true 1782079;1517926920;juhoitse;And I'm Finnish 1782080;1517926940;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ima look. 1782081;1517926957;mircea_popescu;juhoitse what's that do ? 1782082;1517926973;juhoitse;What do? 1782083;1517926996;diana_coman;juhoitse, what do you intend to do here? 1782084;1517927012;mircea_popescu;do you get superpowers or something ? for instance, i'm romanian, and consequently i can curse. 1782085;1517927034;juhoitse;Well I think I want to get to into bitcoin some more 1782086;1517927041;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : "why did you bring your cat to school, joey ?" "because as i was leaving daddy said to mommy he's gonna eat that pussy once joey leaves for school ;/" 1782087;1517927050;juhoitse;Getting a job soon so gonna have some money to invest as well 1782088;1517927094;mircea_popescu;https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED114/546b10da9172d.jpeg << also, i just realised i need childism too! 1782089;1517927095;juhoitse;As a finn I have the immunity to hard liqour but I've lost my social skills as a consequence 1782090;1517927114;mircea_popescu;juhoitse better than nothing. 1782091;1517927159;diana_coman;juhoitse, I suggest you try making some btc directly in eulora; at least there you can't lose more than you have 1782092;1517927193;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol, you actually met teh president ? 1782093;1517927215;juhoitse;Thanks for the tip man 1782094;1517927230;juhoitse;Im trying to learn slowly but surely about all these cryptothings 1782095;1517927323;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Small country 1782096;1517927369;BingoBoingo;But no I did not meet him, he sent his regards. 1782097;1517927393;mircea_popescu;aite. so i say publish as is, but replace the addresses with ***. 1782098;1517927428;mircea_popescu;and it looks like we're paying 10 cents a Watt, so that settles that score. 1782099;1517927442;BingoBoingo;Cool, after that two month reflection blog post with authoring possibly interupted by almurzo. 1782100;1517927467;mircea_popescu;now in a position to restate http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782000 as follows : 1782101;1517927467;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 05:03 mircea_popescu: so then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage, 1782102;1517927534;diana_coman;juhoitse, best answer really is... doing; if unclear what, ask 1782103;1517927560;juhoitse;I'm googling about eulora rn 1782104;1517927568;juhoitse;And probably start there 1782105;1517927579;diana_coman;join #eulora; read eulorum.org 1782106;1517927599;mircea_popescu;so then, (7150 - 1403) * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 33.15 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 37.75GB of weekly upload / 377.5GB download (as per 20 / 8 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and 2500/40 = 62.5 Watts of power (in the sense of 37.8 MJ). 1782107;1517927600;juhoitse;Yea reading the eulora.org at the moment 1782108;1517927700;mircea_popescu;Extra power is 20 cents/Watt, can be had as an add-on. Extra bandwidth, idem, though because granularity issues can't really give a fixed price in advance. but something like $20 doubles it, more or less. 1782109;1517927987;mircea_popescu;and, of course, the boxes discussed if rented add another $50. or else can colocate own, but must be provided CIF @ BingoBoingo 1782110;1517928069;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/06/contract/ << Bingo Blog - Contract 1782111;1517928146;*;diana_coman didn't know it was republica ORIENTAL del uruguay, ha 1782112;1517928151;mircea_popescu;oya. 1782113;1517928160;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: It is eastern in a sense 1782114;1517928166;BingoBoingo;of being east 1782115;1517928170;mircea_popescu;lol. 1782116;1517928211;diana_coman;well, it certainly sounds quite... east-ish, let's say; I'm surprised at how much I can actually read /follow that thing now 1782117;1517928228;mircea_popescu;espanol/castellano no es dificil 1782118;1517928288;BingoBoingo;No one seems to call it Castellano here in the city, maybe in the countryside? 1782119;1517928298;mircea_popescu;certainly in arjentina. 1782120;1517928351;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn't this between latechco and your company or what? 1782121;1517928847;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it the worse case locals will promptly correct it 1782122;1517928862;diana_coman;in* 1782123;1517929834;diana_coman;!!key juhoitse 1782124;1517929836;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/4A19ED232D579FF2F00153ED16DCDF81A0FE0B92.asc 1782125;1517931206;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn't this between latechco and your company or what? << At present due to the painful $900 lesson my name is my company, though it is indeed a legally registered company in Uruguay. Once I have a local ID (Hopefully sometime March-April) and I make another run at the corporation (because the provisional ID cuts the passport knot) it will be [insert aculturally relevant 1782126;1517931207;BingoBoingo;name] S.A. but it will have a seperate "doing business as" name which I figure might as well just be my name according to the principal of maximum pissing on. 1782127;1517933317;BingoBoingo;!~later tell pete_dushenski Have you been following the BBisp developments? 1782128;1517933317;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1782129;1517933432;mod6;mornin' 1782130;1517933440;BingoBoingo;Buenas tardes mod6 1782131;1517933492;mod6;flu :< 1782132;1517933583;mod6;it was bound to get me eventually 1782133;1517933665;shinohai;Feel for ya mod6. I got a relapse too. You shouldn't have been hanging around me this past weekend. :P 1782134;1517933707;mod6;heheh 1782135;1517933759;mod6;last weekened i was all cocky about it too. "look at everyone gettin sick! NOT ME!" 1782136;1517933774;mod6;'tis what i deserve 1782137;1517933843;*;asciilifeform also finally infected. plox to buffer the haetmail , folx, for day or two. 1782138;1517933867;diana_coman;!!rate juhoitse 1 can follow directions; euloran noob 1782139;1517933870;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/H3JEm/?raw=true 1782140;1517934177;shinohai;!~bible Proverbs 16:18 1782141;1517934178;jhvh1;shinohai: [KJV] Proverbs 16:18 :: Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. 1782142;1517935844;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1782143;1517935855;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7046.25, vol: 72965.90197081 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7050.7, vol: 213281.0619885 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7025.0, vol: 31563.5419164 | Volume-weighted last average: 7047.12591648 1782144;1517940134;BingoBoingo;In history found hunting for log links http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579615 1782145;1517940134;a111;Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents. Then our cost comes down to $12M/yr." << this danluu piece is the most idiotic thing i read all day. what the fuck has "cloud" done to these people that they think a 1bn index cost A MILLION A MONTH holy shit. 1782146;1517941355;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/06/two-months-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Two Months In Montevideo 1782147;1517941376;BingoBoingo;^ Two month reflection post published 1782148;1517942202;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782121 << equitousish exactuusing! 1782149;1517942202;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 14:54 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it the worse case locals will promptly correct it 1782150;1517942383;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1782151;1517942391;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7135.29, vol: 71089.68377008 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7133.3, vol: 207043.5010283 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7119.7, vol: 30818.2037311 | Volume-weighted last average: 7132.40128548 1782152;1517942399;mircea_popescu;aww not even 5k ? i r diss-appoint ;/ 1782153;1517942549;BingoBoingo;Only so many laffs in this joak 1782154;1517942600;mircea_popescu;sadly; 1782155;1517942623;mircea_popescu;because i suspect we're stuck with it until well over >1mn shitiats per coin. 1782156;1517942787;BingoBoingo;Well, they gotta let the price run up again before they waterfall for increasingly disappointing crashes a couple more times at least. 1782157;1517942808;mircea_popescu;eh, by now it's like... 1782158;1517942834;mircea_popescu;well, sorta like libtarded precious cuntlet in 2018. "i wonder why nobody writes to me on fetlife!!!" "where's your nudie shots ?" "ummmm..." 1782159;1517942850;mircea_popescu;then again, there were idiots "working for the government" in the 90s eastern bloc... 1782160;1517944252;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/apple-fails-to-segregate-data-sends-installation-and-marketing-data-to-rival-firms/ << Qntra - Apple Fails To Segregate Data: Sends Installation And Marketing Data To Rival Firms 1782161;1517944298;mircea_popescu;btw BingoBoingo : do some research, see if you can actually mount the proposed config as such, see if you find better parts or anything. 1782162;1517945040;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-disaster-artist/ << Trilema - The Disaster Artist 1782163;1517945095;BingoBoingo;Will do, have a Spanish lesson in a bit. Despues tengo tiempo para esta tarea. 1782164;1517946008;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 << In the early searching I am wondering if a cooler will fit 1782165;1517946008;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? 1782166;1517946194;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the idea is to put them in 2u 1782167;1517946222;mircea_popescu;2u is like... 8.9cm tall. you think not ? 1782168;1517946281;mircea_popescu;(this ~is~ a desktop cpu ; so it may need special mounting, but i don't think it should be outright unmountable. the asrock is a mini-atx, afaik those fit in 2u. 1782169;1517946369;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in harem delights, breakfast pancakes with tahini, gingseng molasses, fruit and venezuelan rum, served aside colombian coffee. 1782170;1517946413;BingoBoingo;The board ought to fit in 2U, plently of chassis advertised for that if not necessarily here in Uruguay. The FX-8xxx series though is apparently quite the heater. 1782171;1517946469;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it eats 125W and has 4 power-down steppings. how much can it heat. 1782172;1517946481;mircea_popescu;but its microatx ftr, not mini. that's even smaller than the itx 1782173;1517946511;mircea_popescu;anyway, the board itself is glass pcb, a fine piece indeed. however, the processor doesn't even work over 60 celsius. 1782174;1517946532;mircea_popescu;BUT : if you have good cooling, cpu is "unlocked" and motherboard supports it, so you can prolly overclock it to like 5k 1782175;1517950807;*;ben_vulpes impressed with today's musklaunch 1782176;1517950815;ben_vulpes;also i like rockets 1782177;1517951048;doppler;synchronized booster landing was pretty impressive 1782178;1517952184;mircea_popescu;rocketcar when 1782179;1517952940;mod6;hopefully soon 1782180;1517954887;BingoBoingo;While I do some measurement and chassis hunting, here is the board powering Qntra if anyone wants to build their own. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138448 1782181;1517958901;ben_vulpes;in other criminal organization news, even the locals are getting in on it http://www.wbtv.com/story/37442000/source-davidson-county-deputy-arrested-after-bank-robbery-in-rockwell 1782182;1517960215;mircea_popescu;lel 1782183;1517962753;danielpbarron;!~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5f1Pc/?raw=true 1782184;1517962753;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded. 1782185;1517963660;mod6;davout comin of the top rope 1782186;1517963682;mod6;off too 1782187;1517964006;mod6;http://archive.is/R1uXz 1782188;1517964057;shinohai;^ LOLOLOL 1782189;1517966168;BingoBoingo;!!up joecool 1782190;1517966169;deedbot;joecool voiced for 30 minutes. 1782191;1517966241;joecool;thanks 1782192;1517966298;BingoBoingo; 2u is like... 8.9cm tall. you think not ? << Alright with the amd fx-8350 there are skus that some with different coolers. There the stock cooler that looks like it should not be a problem, and then there is the WRAITH special edition kooler 4Gamerz which is 80 mm high and rather tall for a 2U case. Whoever goes piling iron would be advised to watch this difference. 1782193;1517966627;mircea_popescu;what do you mean whoever ? 1782194;1517966705;BingoBoingo;Well, someone is piling hardware in the US? I haven't seen volunteers yet other than phf to courier 1782195;1517966738;mircea_popescu;you mean when buying, buy the standard not the wraith cooler ? 1782196;1517966760;BingoBoingo;Yeah. The wraith is not going to fit in 2U 1782197;1517966801;BingoBoingo;The standard will. 1782198;1517966931;mircea_popescu;aite. 1782199;1517966949;mircea_popescu;do you have sideways fan covers for the rack units btw ? or how does it look ? 1782200;1517966959;mircea_popescu;were you going to publish some pix at some point or what came of that ? 1782201;1517967345;BingoBoingo;I have not been there yet. Though I might be able to find some sorta box to throw in the cage. Returning to the datacenter tomorrow say hello, take pics, and ask again about importers. I was distracted by accounting/blogging/sheetmetalhunt Monday/Today. 1782202;1517967440;mircea_popescu;wait wait, i thought you had visited the dc floor ? 1782203;1517967452;mircea_popescu;how did the qntra box get installed ? 1782204;1517967479;BingoBoingo;I meant I have not been there since the installation. 1782205;1517967524;mircea_popescu;ah ah. 1782206;1517967529;mircea_popescu;aite. do you know the covers i mean ? 1782207;1517967536;BingoBoingo;I am going there again tomorrow. I held the thing in place helpful guy used the screwdriver to secure it to the rack studs. Apologies for the ambiguity. 1782208;1517967587;BingoBoingo;I do not yet know. 1782209;1517967650;shinohai;Good news mod6 .... this flu shit is all in our head: http://archive.is/aY4l1 1782210;1517967661;mircea_popescu;http://rackmountmart.stores.yahoo.net/ra4racfan3fa1.html << this sort of item 1782211;1517967702;mircea_popescu;basically they are a face for 3U, blow air out of the rack. 1782212;1517967741;mircea_popescu;(you put one or two blowing in at the bottom, and same number blowing out at the top) 1782213;1517967803;mircea_popescu;cabinets often come with them preinstalled, but then again that's more a mid/high market thing ; yours may be barebones-er than this. 1782214;1517967962;*;mod6 looks 1782215;1517967981;BingoBoingo;Ah. Right now are cage has a bunch of the solid plastic slats in the front. This has been added to the questions checklist. 1782216;1517968032;mod6;HEAL ME BABY JEEBUS! 1782217;1517968084;mircea_popescu;poor mobile46836 1782218;1517968086;mircea_popescu;oops i mean mod6 1782219;1517968357;mod6;BingoBoingo: good work. looking forward to ze pics 1782220;1517968789;BingoBoingo;Ahora, me voy a dormir 1782221;1517968832;mod6;buenos noches 1782222;1517968843;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-incredible-productive-assets-and-unlimited-human-ingenuity-existing-in-america/ << Trilema - The incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America. 1782223;1517969957;TomServo;BingoBoingo: In my experience the plastic slats are intended to better maintain hot/cold isle airflow. 1782224;1517970018;mircea_popescu;dja have dc experience then ? 1782225;1517970054;TomServo;Yes, a bit. 1782226;1517970072;mircea_popescu;well, tips & tricks appreciated, i'm sure. 1782227;1517970141;mircea_popescu;mod6 for the sake of nitpicks, it's buenas, cuz somehow la noche is feminine. buenos tacos / buenas noches. 1782228;1517970145;TomServo;Well, I'm a bit miffed at the idea of stuffing consumer gear in racks, but I've not tried this. Seems risky. 1782229;1517970162;mircea_popescu;think it'll blow up ? 1782230;1517970169;TomServo;Airflow is crucial in a dense environment. 1782231;1517970171;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, thanks. 1782232;1517970186;mircea_popescu;true. 1782233;1517970190;TomServo;If not dense, prolly not an issue. But if it starts filling.. I'd be worried. 1782234;1517970217;mircea_popescu;well, i expect draw in the 200-250W. that means at most 10 per rack at current power. 1782235;1517970267;mircea_popescu;very theoretically could fit 20, and perhaps the dc can provide the extra wattage. but gotta see somehow. 1782236;1517970323;mircea_popescu;but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ? 1782237;1517970353;TomServo;Yes, very much principly a power concern. 1782238;1517970404;mircea_popescu;so i'm kinda trying to outsource the heat knowhow to the dc, in this passive manner. kinda why i got a low W cpu. i'm thinking i'd have to worry more about some modern 500W bs "single"t or multi-cpu than about this basically 125W max power item. how much can it possibly heat... 1782239;1517970570;TomServo;That's true, but weren't you discussing stuffing 4 mini itxs in one case? with vertical exhuasting cpu fans? 1782240;1517970573;mircea_popescu;take something like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782012 : if you did actyually put 4 to the mobo, as they theoretically can suffer, and somehow stuffed all this in 1U, and attempted to put 40 such units at half a kW each inside one rack, i'd fully expect the whole thing melting down within the hour. not even water can take out 20KJ/s out of a (stationary) rack. we're talking like, car engine sorta coolings by now. 1782241;1517970573;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 10:46 mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats. 1782242;1517970600;mircea_popescu;TomServo no, no, the design contemplated is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782165 1782243;1517970600;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 19:40 a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? 1782244;1517970667;mircea_popescu;the (consumer) motherboard is microATX (the somewhat intermediate one) not micro-ATX (the smaller-than-ITX novel thing). 1782245;1517970674;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck. 1782246;1517970727;mircea_popescu;the (consumer) motherboard is miniATX (the somewhat intermediate one, 10x10) not mini-ATX (the smaller-than-ITX novel thing, 6x6). 1782247;1517970756;mircea_popescu;this is officially the dumbest standard i ever encountered. i am officially giving up trying to use the words, will use the numbers. 1782248;1517970763;TomServo;ahah 1782249;1517970778;mircea_popescu;so, the 9.6 x 9.6 inch form factor. 1782250;1517970850;mircea_popescu;(for the confused : microATX, introduced cca 1996, is 244x244 mm ; same witdh but shorter than the plain ATX ; meanwhile mini-ITX is 170x170, whereas mini-ATX is 150x150 mm, so even smaller.) 1782251;1517970873;mircea_popescu;so the mini's tiny when compared to the hefty micro. because why the fucknot. 1782252;1517970971;mircea_popescu;as to the vertical exhaust, it was more of a "do you have it" curio than anything. 1782253;1517971033;TomServo;Ah, then I misunderstood. 1782254;1517971078;mircea_popescu;to my (admittedly aloof) reasoning, even if filled with 20 of these, the rack would have plenty of swim space on the sides, and should at least theoretically be ok. i dunno, i guess we find out. 1782255;1517971437;TomServo;If it is any help, some info from a quote for US DC circa 2016, 1782256;1517971441;TomServo;will provide specified amount of kW capacity from Primary (A Side) to 1782257;1517971444;TomServo;be shared by the circuits listed below. The total draw between the connected “A 1782258;1517971446;TomServo;& B” circuits should not exceed specified kW of draw. 1782259;1517971448;TomServo;Provisioned capacity cannot exceed 150% of commitment. 1782260;1517971465;TomServo;same again for B side, 20 kw 1782261;1517971478;TomServo;non standard 52U 1782262;1517971553;TomServo;this was $4460/mo USD and doesn't include any data service 1782263;1517971570;TomServo;(or setup fees) 1782264;1517972068;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782051 << fwiw I'd be vehehehry interested in a bbisp $20 per month shared hosting 1782265;1517972068;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 13:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : the logic is, ima want 5 of the dozen ; the rest could each at least in principle support 100 "shared" sorta sites each, at $20 a month or whatever you end up charging. that's, if you manage to fill up the lot, $14`000 per month in revenue. 1782266;1517972104;mircea_popescu;TomServo ok, but i'm more interested in... do you have some way to discern whether more cores or more clock speed are more valuable ? 1782267;1517972125;mircea_popescu;is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782018 for instance judicious or misguided iyo ? 1782268;1517972125;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 11:09 mircea_popescu: take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x the cores, 4.5x the ram speed, 4.5x the l2/3 cache and 50% the power. basically i'm getting less than twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x the money. meh. 1782269;1517972134;mircea_popescu;lobbes wouldja be interested in ordering parts for phf's trip btw ? 1782270;1517972795;TomServo;mircea_popescu: I would expect cores and I certainly wouldn't be considering overclocking in a DC environment. 1782271;1517973051;TomServo;I think you're on the right track not paying the price premium on the latest and greatest and eating the power. 1782272;1517973061;mircea_popescu;why not overclocking ? 1782273;1517973086;TomServo;Seems to be begging for heat and reliability issues when the goal should be reliability. 1782274;1517973116;mircea_popescu;well, if you're stuck with an overloaded rack for the few days till you get the other one up for instance, it's nice to know you've got a 20% afterburner you can run on. 1782275;1517973143;mircea_popescu;and in unrelated, wanker's worldview of perhaps entomological interest, http://theferrett.livejournal.com/1498823.html 1782276;1517973327;lobbes;mircea_popescu, I may be able to order something, depending on price (any gear needed under $500, say?). I've been meaning to convert some more fiat into coin anyway 1782277;1517973379;mircea_popescu;not clear yet, intuitively there's a ~600, a ~1.5k, a ~4k and a ~9k chunk. but we see. 1782278;1517973404;*;lobbes could possibly swing the ~600. will keep eyes tuned to logs 1782279;1517973817;TomServo;mircea_popescu: that's true, but you should have plenty of warning before needing to consider torching your gear 1782280;1517973845;mircea_popescu;eh, there's cpus that are made for overclocking. such as this one. it'll run fine for years, if kept cool. 1782281;1517973846;TomServo;I can likely order gear as well, but I don't expect that will be a problem. 1782282;1517973848;mircea_popescu;YEARS. 1782283;1517973869;mircea_popescu;TomServo the more the merrier. 1782284;1517975124;TomServo;I've not kept up-to-date, but in my understanding of successful overclocking is often dependant on specialized cooling systems expected to be in a mini or full tower. 1782285;1517975137;TomServo;If overclocking, why not go full throttle? 1782286;1517975164;TomServo;If not full throttle, is it really worth the effort compared to throwing in another system? 1782287;1517975425;trinque;yeh, gotta keep in mind that rack slots are narrow, and you're being cooked by your neighbor on two sides 1782288;1517975466;trinque;also given the difficulty of getting parts on site, might want to optimize for longevity, then CPU cycles 1782289;1517975477;mod6;yeah. 1782290;1517975570;trinque;mircea_popescu: in re: cores, depends what you're running. most of my existing servers are many separate services doing tasks that don't block each other, whereas if running trb it's doubtful the thing benefits from even one extra core, except insofar as the rest of the OS's doings get shuffled off to it. 1782291;1517975573;ben_vulpes;cooked, yes, but you hoover from the aisle in the front and dump into the aisle in the back. so long as everyone's dumping out the back, nobody should be sucking exhaust gases. 1782292;1517975598;trinque;ben_vulpes: wasn't thinking of it, just heat through the metal case 1782293;1517975717;ben_vulpes;i know but if the convective flux is adequate there really shouldn't be that much heat conducted from machine to machine 1782294;1517975745;ben_vulpes;moreover it'd be what, mostly radiant with a bit of conductive through the air gap between servers, which can probably be approximated as stagnant and a good insulator 1782295;1517975761;ben_vulpes;and heaven help the person who lets their box get hot enough to transfer heat radiantly 1782296;1517975770;trinque;anybody here overclocked before? 1782297;1517975790;mod6;i haven't for 20 years, but it basically resulted in a very unstable box. 1782298;1517975793;trinque;heat's one issue, general system stability another. who's going to fiddle with BIOS voltage settings? 1782299;1517975815;mod6;it would just randomly crash, and reset. 1782300;1517975835;mod6;sure, got maybe a bit more throughput, but the tradeoff was certainly not worth it if not, for instance, gaming. 1782301;1517975850;ben_vulpes;intel calls that an "unplanned restart" these days lol 1782302;1517975861;TomServo;That was my point, I don't see it being worth the effore given cpu cheapness.. even with the VAT. 1782303;1517975861;mod6;lol of course they do 1782304;1517975897;TomServo;ben_vulpes: not sure about any air gap, all the racks i've seen are pretty pretty tight 1782305;1517975901;trinque;^ 1782306;1517975904;ben_vulpes;it 1782307;1517975910;ben_vulpes;it's not actual box-to-box conductive contact 1782308;1517975921;ben_vulpes;i've never racked machines that squealed on insert, you? 1782309;1517975933;TomServo;that's fair, no 1782310;1517975957;ben_vulpes;since we're doing thermofluids tonight... 1782311;1517975989;TomServo;but i've also never racked overclocked servers and would expect no joy to come from it 1782312;1517975989;ben_vulpes;the concern is convective heat transfer between servers. for that to happen there must be a) great enough gradient of heat between the machines and b) enough space between machines for air currents to get moving 1782313;1517976064;ben_vulpes;heaven help us if the machine bodies actually drive a) because someone isn't cooling adequately, and if the gap is sufficiently small (as anyone with dc experience can attest) we'll probably have "stagnation" conditions, where the air is not actually circulating between the machines 1782314;1517976071;TomServo;but the air between machines isn't moving, right? if not by convection? 1782315;1517976096;ben_vulpes;right, which is why your double-paned windows are so much better of an insulator 1782316;1517976117;ben_vulpes;that argon between them doesn't move; the viscosity of the gas keeps it locked in place and it acts as a superior insulator to the glass. 1782317;1517976137;ben_vulpes;air currents within the DC might actually ruin this, but for the sake of the gedankenexperiment, let's neglect those for now 1782318;1517976142;trinque;this is a fun exercise, but the air gap is not sealed between the units 1782319;1517976170;ben_vulpes;if we don't neglect it, i'd expect entrained flow in the same direction as the convective cooling flux, eg from front of rack to back 1782320;1517976177;ben_vulpes;thereby actually improving cooling conditions 1782321;1517976196;trinque;making them better than if there were no servers on either side? 1782322;1517976216;ben_vulpes;well, no, we're talking like sub-1% contribution to overall cooling 1782323;1517976232;ben_vulpes;but in theory, if you want to wank over the thermofluids 1782324;1517976262;TomServo;This seems like strained reasoning to justify overclocking for what I see is a minimally appreciable gain. 1782325;1517976267;ben_vulpes;i 1782326;1517976283;ben_vulpes;i ain't justifying shit, i'm saying that i'm not concerned about the health of the rack from a few hot boxes. 1782327;1517976309;ben_vulpes;what, they heat up, crack their pcbs, shut down. run your fans, this won't be a problem. 1782328;1517976351;trinque;makes sense, I won't dispute that part. 1782329;1517976447;ben_vulpes;TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible. 1782330;1517976460;TomServo;I think trinque 's point about hardware import difficulties is important to consider when stressing the gear, is all. 1782331;1517976479;TomServo;ben_vulpes: I see also, just thought it was worth mentioning. 1782332;1517976511;trinque;ben_vulpes: fine strategy when replacements are stacked within reach. 1782333;1517976517;mod6;any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots 1782334;1517976524;ben_vulpes;not trying to cut you down TomServo 1782335;1517976555;trinque;mod6: customer might. say a set of game servers that can handle losing a node for a bit. just depends. 1782336;1517976570;trinque;my main point is to be ready with a stack of spares if that's the strategy 1782337;1517976624;ben_vulpes;heh yeah i think trinque and i have pretty similar attitudes towards how to treat machines you're going to run hard 1782338;1517976651;ben_vulpes;make 'em someone else's problem, and pay for the convenience. 1782339;1517976689;ben_vulpes;this ftr is what galls me about ssds; the accelerated deterioration rate. 1782340;1517976717;TomServo;Well, running hard and diddling overlclock settings + babysitting detail are different things, I think. 1782341;1517976744;ben_vulpes;points on a continuum from where i sit 1782342;1517976796;TomServo;Agreed, I'll admit the overclocking really threw me. 1782343;1517976818;ben_vulpes;much like the honda babywagon i've allocated vs the three f1 engines a team's allowed in a season 1782344;1517976839;ben_vulpes;girl is just not going to rev my shit past 4500, you know? 1782345;1517976866;TomServo;:D 1782346;1517976887;trinque;lol aha. I've never seen such a polite huge truck driver as mine. 1782347;1517976898;trinque;"baby, you know they'll just move out of the way for it, yeah?" 1782348;1517976910;ben_vulpes;hahaha i fuckin know it's charming 1782349;1517976919;ben_vulpes;but it's great for rolling with road sodas 1782350;1517976934;ben_vulpes;zero likelihood of interdiction with a polite babe at the wheel. 1782351;1517976999;TomServo;ben_vulpes: We call those 'travelers' in my parts. A 'roadie' if you're uncouth. 1782352;1517977072;ben_vulpes;heh i dunno that i've ever heard a couth name for the practice tbh; or any person who'd call themselves couth engaging in it 1782353;1517977082;ben_vulpes;of the esl set that is 1782354;1517977379;TomServo;I doubt there is one. Perhaps I misunderstood 'road sodas' when converting to local parlance. 1782355;1517977388;ben_vulpes;a beer in the car! 1782356;1517977424;TomServo;right! well in northern wisconsin there are CLASSES of beers in cars 1782357;1517977453;trinque;I think this practice persisted legally until quite recently in TX 1782358;1517977497;*;TomServo chuckles 1782359;1517977750;TomServo;some! contain no beer at all! strickly Windsor Canadian Whiskey 1782360;1517977836;ben_vulpes;right right, that 1782361;1517995140;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah, i have no clear model in my head of what's going on. but, i expect most load other than trb will be apache or something like it. and in my experience higher clock beats more cores once you have more than 4 or so, there. 1782362;1517995166;mircea_popescu;not much experience in that experience tho. 1782363;1517995189;mircea_popescu;re cooked : i don't expect anyone's getting cooked. half-decent run DC has no hotspot over 50 anyway, no matter what. 1782364;1517995227;mircea_popescu;the idea that desktop towers are well cooled is ridoinculous on the face. i dun think half of them are, tbh. 1782365;1517995263;mircea_popescu;this is a little like saying "hospital's no place for imunosupressed patients, they should be in their car, which people keep clean" 1782366;1517995272;mircea_popescu;for one thing, they don't. and for the other thing... really ?! 1782367;1517995421;mircea_popescu;but, in any case, more of a curio/bikeshed than anything i think. overclocking isn't likely to have more than a 1% if tyhat impact either way in bbisp affairs. 1782368;1517995611;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782296 << yes. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782297 << the thing changed lots in 20 years. for isntance, there's actual bios support for the procedure by now. it's a lot like say roller skating, they got special safety gear and competitions and purpose-made plywood for the backyard, it's not the 80s anymoar sorta thing. 1782369;1517995611;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 trinque: anybody here overclocked before? 1782370;1517995611;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 mod6: i haven't for 20 years, but it basically resulted in a very unstable box. 1782371;1517995688;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782302 << the cpu is worth 10% of the actual rig (disk, memory). it's the part getting fried for getting more out of the rig, if anything is. 1782372;1517995688;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 03:57 TomServo: That was my point, I don't see it being worth the effore given cpu cheapness.. even with the VAT. 1782373;1517995847;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782304 << uruguay, dood. not fucking washington. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779553 & so fucking happy to have any business AT ALL after the impenetrable cloud of sheer imbecility they've surrounded themselves with... 1782374;1517995847;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 03:58 TomServo: ben_vulpes: not sure about any air gap, all the racks i've seen are pretty pretty tight 1782375;1517995847;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 16:35 BingoBoingo: holyfuq, konsoomer towers in racks in dc << Cargo cult 1782376;1517995889;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782311 << but the firm expectation based on no experience is how alf gets in trouble like...daily. why copy what dun work from him ? 1782377;1517995889;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 03:59 TomServo: but i've also never racked overclocked servers and would expect no joy to come from it 1782378;1517995982;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in a clean room that had no internal airflow either. 1782379;1517995982;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 04:01 TomServo: but the air between machines isn't moving, right? if not by convection? 1782380;1517996008;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, in a civilised house. because how the fuck would this work, modernity is built on airflow like the roman empire was built on running water. 1782381;1517996120;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782329 << boxes with a pile of ram are not lowend by any definition of the term. ram is pretty much the only thing. 1782382;1517996120;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 04:07 ben_vulpes: TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible. 1782383;1517996170;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782333 << hey, we get systemd in, right ? the reboots' gonna be so fast you won't even notice them 1782384;1517996170;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots 1782385;1517996172;mircea_popescu; /sarcasm 1782386;1517996231;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782339 << sadly, i dun see how bbisp could provide platter. for one thing, it takes way the fuck more power. for the other, it simply dun work for one of the more important republican apps, teh trb. it's just... not there. 1782387;1517996231;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 04:11 ben_vulpes: this ftr is what galls me about ssds; the accelerated deterioration rate. 1782388;1517996260;mircea_popescu;not to say we won't rack old school disks someone ships ; but i think that's about as far as that goes. 1782389;1517996475;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782342 << kinda the idea, if i bother to send a librarian over to orcistan to start an isp, ima just as well challenge established belief. it's just sane business management. 1782390;1517996475;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 04:13 TomServo: Agreed, I'll admit the overclocking really threw me. 1782391;1517998095;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782359 << hey, my car has a flask of rum in the net behind the front seat. and i drink it, too. 1782392;1517998095;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 04:29 TomServo: some! contain no beer at all! strickly Windsor Canadian Whiskey 1782393;1517998550;mircea_popescu;aaand with that, ima be off to the beach! laters. 1782394;1517998960;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/totally-legit-traffix-sir/ << Trilema - Totally legit traffix sir! 1782395;1518007450;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: In my experience the plastic slats are intended to better maintain hot/cold isle airflow. << This is sorta what I figured. 1782396;1518007515;BingoBoingo; but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ? << We have 2.5 kw now, and if we need more we can get a set of incoming power lines for another 2.5 kw. After that it is time for a second rack. 1782397;1518008219;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782378 << HVAC provided airflow we do have. Air arrive into the cool aisle cool, Leaves the hot aisle not too incredibly much warmer but noticably so. 1782398;1518008219;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 09:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in a clean room that had no internal airflow either. 1782399;1518008417;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1782400;1518008436;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8399.9, vol: 48731.91843205 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8309.9, vol: 141013.78401814 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8386.9, vol: 21024.6930137 | Volume-weighted last average: 8338.38964632 1782401;1518008450;BingoBoingo;Awe the crashing is crashing 1782402;1518009909;shinohai;Buenas Dias BingoBoingo ... pronto llegara una Qntra 1782403;1518009942;BingoBoingo;Muchas gracias 1782404;1518011021;ave1;So, I've created a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this? 1782405;1518013290;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jlCHQ/?raw=true 1782406;1518013290;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1782407;1518016275;mod6;mornin' 1782408;1518016287;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782333 << hey, we get systemd in, right ? the reboots' gonna be so fast you won't even notice them << lol 1782409;1518016287;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots 1782410;1518016867;phf;!~later tell danielpbarron ack 1782411;1518016867;jhvh1;phf: The operation succeeded. 1782412;1518017907;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782376 << lulzily enuff, it so happens that asciilifeform has, in actual life, racked variously overclocked konsoomer boxen, for industrial use. (and did not even, as might be the naive expectation, 'live to regret it!11' : in the ~particular~ application , it worked.) but asciilifeform is not in the spamming biznis; will not attempt to feed his advice down the throats of folx who specifically do no 1782413;1518017907;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 09:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782311 << but the firm expectation based on no experience is how alf gets in trouble like...daily. why copy what dun work from him ? 1782414;1518017907;asciilifeform;t want it. 1782415;1518019206;asciilifeform;overclockism is an interesting subj and -- very heavily depending on the application ( i.e. is it cpu-bound ? or will you simply be making a hotter chip wait 800 cycles for each out-of-cache memory access instead of 500... ? ) can be The Right Thing. but i have nfi what use case mircea_popescu has in mind . ( mine was number-crunching, and i had specifically written the routine to fit in L0 . ) 1782416;1518019483;asciilifeform;nao if he intends to overclock ~the memory~ ( konsoomer, ddr3 or even -4 , as i understand, non-ecc... ) , then the gods themselves... 1782417;1518019613;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/07/photos-from-a-republican-rack/ << Bingo Blog - Photos From A Republican Rack 1782418;1518019860;shinohai;BingoBoingo: s/Gingo/Gringo/ ... also double `a's` in paint marker section. Nice norp though. 1782419;1518019923;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd 1782420;1518019927;BingoBoingo;Processing Qntra 1782421;1518019942;shinohai;ty! 1782422;1518019968;BingoBoingo;!~ticker market all 1782423;1518019970;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message) 1782424;1518019979;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1782425;1518019990;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8188.9, vol: 44808.28039899 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8133.0, vol: 123457.99863739 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8157.1, vol: 18902.7274665 | Volume-weighted last average: 8148.81639322 1782426;1518020615;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/mayoman-squeals-as-buterins-waterfall-weakens/ << Qntra - Mayoman Squeals As Buterin's Waterfall Weakens 1782427;1518020625;shinohai;Kudos on the mayoman pic BingoBoingo 1782428;1518020628;BingoBoingo;^ Congrats shinohai on the first LATAM homed Qntra to get a picture 1782429;1518020665;shinohai;\o/ 1782430;1518021941;mod6;BingoBoingo: plz to request another 2 images. one with front door all the way open, as far back into the isle as can be taken. i.e. try to see if you can take a full frontal with the door open. and the same for the backside. 1782431;1518021971;mod6;maybe take a couple so you hopefully get one less shakey. 1782432;1518022059;BingoBoingo;mod6: These requests have been noted on the paper of the to do for the next visit 1782433;1518022176;mod6;Thank you Sir. From the box butts picture, from what i can tell, looks pretty much what I expected / standard. i.e. the 'fast'-rails that we've purchased should work ok. a few more images will help tho. thanks! 1782434;1518022257;BingoBoingo;Also next trip I am bringing a measuring tape. The hash marks go up to 20 in the middle of the cage before counting down again. I assume this means a 39 or 40 inch deep cabinet, but will measure myself to confirm. 1782435;1518022276;mod6;Ah, good call. 1782436;1518022347;mod6;Another, perhaps interesting set of images would be to take a pic of the front of the cabnet from off to the side a bit -- to show the perfereated tiles in the the floor (if it's done this way) ; and the same for the back. 1782437;1518022726;mod6;something like this maybe: http://archive.is/kyJ7S 1782438;1518022764;BingoBoingo;In this hall, as per the post and previous mentions in the logs cooling comes from the monster chillers in the aisles. More specifically these guys https://www.vertivco.com/en-us/products-catalog/thermal-management/in-row-cooling/liebert-crv-in-row-cooling-system-19-40kw/ 1782439;1518022832;BingoBoingo;In other halls they operate in montevideo they have the vertical room for raised floors, but in this building the vertical distance from structural concrete to more structural concrete is the limiting factor. 1782440;1518022864;mod6;Oh, ok. 1782441;1518022871;mod6;I was kinda confused on that part. 1782442;1518022874;*;mod6 looks at image 1782443;1518022944;mod6;79"x12"x43" 1782444;1518022975;mod6;do they have one per isle? 1782445;1518023058;BingoBoingo;Given the size and ratio of coolers to cabinets there seems to be a healthy amount of excess capacity. There is more than one per aisle. 1782446;1518023098;mod6;Ah, ok. neato. 1782447;1518023172;BingoBoingo;Each hot aisle has at least one on each side pulling in hot air for cooling. . ' . ' . Is an approximation of the arrangement 1782448;1518023586;BingoBoingo;Actually this perhaps models it better http://archive.42u.com/cooling/in-row-cooling/liebert-crv.htm 1782449;1518023640;*;mod6 looks 1782450;1518023705;mod6;ok gotcha 1782451;1518026863;TomServo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782364 << prolly more than half are not, but the overclocked ones typically are 1782452;1518026863;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 09:20 mircea_popescu: the idea that desktop towers are well cooled is ridoinculous on the face. i dun think half of them are, tbh. 1782453;1518026994;TomServo;BingoBoingo: You might consider pointing your switch toward the back of the rack for better cable management. Gain 1U if you can double up with your qntra server. (but I would put it at the top) 1782454;1518028996;BingoBoingo;TomServo: That makes a lot of sense. Qntra is not very deep, physically. 1782455;1518030015;BingoBoingo;If I do it this week before more boxes arrive it is 4 screws and maybe 10 minutes of downtime. 1782456;1518030516;BingoBoingo;* 8 screws 1782457;1518031122;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1782458;1518031131;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8200.0, vol: 43861.21981026 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8144.0, vol: 115285.83569904 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8199.0, vol: 18076.9948479 | Volume-weighted last average: 8163.46949649 1782459;1518037947;mircea_popescu;so i broke off my legs again, had to be carried off teh beach. MAN I FUCKING LOVE THE OCEAN! 1782460;1518038012;mircea_popescu;but in other "mp's bed, bath & lifestyle", teh hos got this dr teal's epsom salt body scrub" somewhere. best thing to rub on your legs when you've driven them to literally collapse from sheer exhaustion. 1782461;1518038164;shinohai;Heh I have a box of the lavender kind in my medicine chest. Good stuff. 1782462;1518038171;mircea_popescu;word. 1782463;1518038391;asciilifeform;broke legs?! 1782464;1518038433;mircea_popescu;well, broken as in no longer working, not as in fragmented bones. 1782465;1518038456;mod6;omgwat 1782466;1518038465;asciilifeform;aa 1782467;1518038500;mod6;just played too long in the water? 1782468;1518038622;doppler;started turning into fish 1782469;1518038626;doppler;fish don't have legs 1782470;1518038685;mircea_popescu;word, i'm evolving. 1782471;1518038697;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah. 1782472;1518038705;mircea_popescu;the waves here are fucking superb. 1782473;1518038767;shinohai;lol Mermaidcea Popescu 1782474;1518038772;ben_vulpes;oh man, i would really like to learn to surf 1782475;1518038788;mod6;surfing is the best 1782476;1518038917;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes there was this bunch of hotties surfing on their own btw... 1782477;1518038928;mircea_popescu;it's great to watch young woman butt on board paddling, you know ? 1782478;1518038946;*;ben_vulpes knows, but only from videos 1782479;1518038984;mircea_popescu;anyway. great times. 1782480;1518039310;*;mod6 envy 1782481;1518039905;mircea_popescu;hey, come over. i'll show you where it is. odds of girlybutt > 100%. 1782482;1518040256;lobbes;Ah, warm ocean is best ocean. I could never enjoy the cool northern ocean I grew up next to, even in the summer. My extreme lack of fat insulation always led to my body becoming a flesh anchor. "Just relax, you'll float" "huh? Relax how?" 1782483;1518040261;lobbes;I remember setting foot in a tropical ocean for first time and thinking "ahhh this is what all the fuss is about" 1782484;1518040304;mircea_popescu;lobbes it's like 22 celsius. pleasure to step into. literally. 1782485;1518040307;*;diana_coman remembers northerners going: "soup, this is LIKE SOUP" 1782486;1518040333;mircea_popescu;it was warmer than my balls. 1782487;1518040389;lobbes;Ah see thats the key. Ball temp differental is usually my main problem with cool waters. 1782488;1518040392;mircea_popescu;correction : i see it was actually TWENTY EIGHT 1782489;1518040436;diana_coman;ahahah, SOUP! 1782490;1518040446;mircea_popescu;word. 1782491;1518040455;mod6;heheh. sounds awesome. 1782492;1518040504;mircea_popescu;oh and there's like, a buncha sandcrabs 1782493;1518040516;mircea_popescu;i threw one a crumb of sandwich, he spent like 5 minutes trying to stuff it into his hidey-hole 1782494;1518040533;mircea_popescu;DELISHIOUSSSSS CRUMBBBB 1782495;1518040539;mod6;haha. 1782496;1518040554;mircea_popescu;oh, and did i mention the macaws ? and the pelicans ? 1782497;1518040568;mod6;birds on bird errands eh 1782498;1518040568;mircea_popescu;there's a macaw tree ; and hundreds of pelicans fish in the wake. 1782499;1518040668;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> oh man, i would really like to learn to surf << i'll never forget the first time i caught a wave. something very zen about the whole experience. 1782500;1518040684;mod6;it isn't easy to time it right, but once you get it, wow. 1782501;1518040716;mircea_popescu;there was a guy that was pretty good, Z-d counter-wake with great agility. 1782502;1518040725;mircea_popescu;but most people just you know, ride it a few meters and faceplant. 1782503;1518040758;mircea_popescu;that's another great thing to watch, girlibutt going from paddle to standing. she's got one second to lift lift lift! 1782504;1518040759;mod6;sure, yeah, takes practice. i seemed to pick it up pretty ok, found that it's not /that/ different from turns on a snowboard. 1782505;1518040765;*;mircea_popescu is mostly a surfpectator. 1782506;1518040783;mod6;yeah, the girls are pretty fun to watch 1782507;1518040807;mircea_popescu;better than skating imo. 1782508;1518040814;mircea_popescu;well... wetter than skating at any rate. 1782509;1518040845;mod6;heheh. i used to love watching the figure skaters 1782510;1518040867;BingoBoingo;Here on the playa Pocitos we get the windsurfers, they persist when the waves get too ballsy for swimmers. 1782511;1518040912;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: was watching from beyond the break? 1782512;1518040929;mircea_popescu;well, it varied. i go where the ocean sends me, you know ? 1782513;1518040947;mod6;yeah, gotta watch out for the riptides too 1782514;1518040950;ben_vulpes;no notrly, /me suffers from lobbes-style sinkism 1782515;1518040965;ben_vulpes;every second in the water is a fight to stay at the surface 1782516;1518040975;mircea_popescu;mod6 they actually have riptides here, moderately bad. also stingrays, and sharks, AND CROCODILES. 1782517;1518040979;mircea_popescu;but whatcah gonna do, not ever die ? 1782518;1518041048;asciilifeform;there's something to be said for being eaten at sea. but i'd still rather try for the big cats, where available 1782519;1518041071;mod6;mircea_popescu: yah, gotta live a little every now and then. 1782520;1518041082;mircea_popescu;surfers lose the occasional leg. rarely actually eaten, ocean typically only wants a taste. 1782521;1518041122;trinque;riptide got me as a kid, actually felt like kind of a little badass when I came out of it 1782522;1518041127;mircea_popescu;but i lost my 2nd pair of slippers, through the procedure of sit down in car, forget to pick them up. i guess im buying a half dozen next. 1782523;1518041141;mircea_popescu;trinque it is. from what i hear can drag you 5 miles. 1782524;1518041147;trinque;nb 1782525;1518041176;mircea_popescu;now, the floor is very smooth and the incline very forgiving, so you wouldn't be much deeper than maybe 5-10 meters even then. 1782526;1518041185;mircea_popescu;but man, and kid also, can drown just fine in 5 meters of water. 1782527;1518041206;mircea_popescu;i certainly could manage it. 1782528;1518041261;asciilifeform;man, if he earnestly tries, can drown in bucket also 1782529;1518041269;mircea_popescu;in bucket i can float. 1782530;1518041468;mod6; <+BingoBoingo> Here on the playa Pocitos we get the windsurfers, they persist when the waves get too ballsy for swimmers. << everytime I think of windsurfing, i think of horseface nearly getting hit by that giant boat. 1782531;1518041483;mod6;makes me laugh 1782532;1518041640;mircea_popescu;they have a sort of sea paragliding here, i have half a mind to try it sometime 1782533;1518041643;mircea_popescu;looks pretty cool. 1782534;1518041657;mircea_popescu;basically a large kite of sorts, with you attached. 1782535;1518041905;mod6;ah, yeah. that can get a little dicy if you're 50+ feet up and the wind dies. 1782536;1518041995;mod6;i guess lot of these are pulled by boat tho. 1782537;1518042136;asciilifeform;these are very popular in the beach i go to 1782538;1518042149;asciilifeform;often dozens of people riding'em 1782539;1518042361;shinohai;http://archive.is/zEfQN <<< heh I didn't know this, to XRP genesis means "Block 32570" 1782540;1518042405;mircea_popescu;so you go splat, big whoop. tho yeah, i kinda see boats with it always. 1782541;1518042541;mod6;shinohai: bwahaha. man, another usg scam that refuses to die 1782542;1518042595;shinohai;But the raw tx's are totally there, so no worries! 1782543;1518042743;mod6;mircea_popescu: there many rocks/coral in that area? 1782544;1518042776;mircea_popescu;i've not seen any, except two small fragments on the beach. white sorta carbide rock, notrly coral like people think of, the rosy australian stuff 1782545;1518042821;mod6;ah. sounds pretty decent. that coral is nasty if you fall / get a laceration from it 1782546;1518042889;mod6;(speaking of things that refuse to die) 1782547;1518043243;mircea_popescu;hey, "impaled on coral". better than "impaled on acura" 1782548;1518043446;mod6;agree. 1782549;1518043718;mircea_popescu;in other not rteally news, "moonrise kingdom" is not even atrociously bad. pubescent lovestory, not quite white cat/black cat but still. 1782550;1518044555;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/59x0S/?raw=true << possible qntraism 1782551;1518044555;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1782552;1518048079;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/shortages-of-surface-mount-components-mount/ << Qntra - Shortages Of Surface Mount Components Mount 1782553;1518048080;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform 1782554;1518051583;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782404 << very much so ; is it off hanbot's (yet not really published ?) genesis or what ? 1782555;1518051583;a111;Logged on 2018-02-07 13:43 ave1: So, I've created a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this? 1782556;1518051623;danielpbarron;!~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GtFxZ/?raw=true 1782557;1518051623;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded. 1782558;1518054001;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FYqZ0/?raw=true 1782559;1518054001;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1782560;1518056389;phf;it's like the bowery boys in here. code words and secret passages. 1782561;1518056720;shinohai;Can't run a terrorist organization without seekrit communications! 1782562;1518056776;mod6;GBB ZNAL FRPERGF 1782563;1518059538;mircea_popescu;PROQQt 1782564;1518062930;mod6;eua maey jutz kbkt atjkxyzgtj ngox znkuxe 1782565;1518063446;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782059 << sorry for the delayed response but i'm available for this if it's still needed 1782566;1518063446;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 13:27 mircea_popescu: so, let me know if you're interested in buying some newegg/amazon/whatever for this, danielpbarron pete_dushenski whosoever else. 1782567;1518063476;mircea_popescu;cool. yeah tomorrow split the pot up. 1782568;1518063481;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782127 << been catching fragments. anything i can help with as far as ordering ? 1782569;1518063481;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 16:08 BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski Have you been following the BBisp developments? 1782570;1518063537;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i think i saw that lobbes was getting in on the action, any other to divide the pie between ? 1782571;1518063559;mircea_popescu;well, not publicly announced so far. 1782572;1518063582;pete_dushenski;kk 1782573;1518063592;mircea_popescu;why, you want to swallow the whole pile ? 1782574;1518063623;pete_dushenski;is it still ~15k usd ? 1782575;1518063630;mircea_popescu;about yeaj 1782576;1518063762;pete_dushenski;and the arrangement is to order bbisp supplies, and take delivery and repackage or have them shipped directly to uruguay from amazegg ? (sorry for missing this detail in logs) 1782577;1518063807;mircea_popescu;send them to phf, he'll courier 1782578;1518063909;pete_dushenski;got it. let me check what the lousy cad is worth and confirm pie proportion but at least half should be no prob. 1782579;1518063926;danielpbarron;i can do some as well 1782580;1518063933;mircea_popescu;aite. stay tuned tomorro 1782581;1518064453;pete_dushenski;in other educative rapes, http://archive.is/zSi35 1782582;1518064456;pete_dushenski;"Spelling employs a skill many of the women honed while captive: mnemonic memory. Some spent much of their time memorizing lengthy prayers and hymns. Others composed diary entries in their heads—their thoughts, injustices they suffered—they would later log in journals they kept hidden." 1782583;1518064468;pete_dushenski;"“I find it easy to memorize,” said Saratu Ayuba, who won a gold medal in a recent contest by successfully spelling entertainment. “I know the small words. I can build them out in my head.”" 1782584;1518064495;mircea_popescu;oh check it out, lamarckianism still around. 1782585;1518064499;pete_dushenski;in re #bringbackourgirls and related benefits of bokoharamisms 1782586;1518064636;mircea_popescu;contrary to pantsuit fanfic, memory is unrelated to whining. 1782587;1518064673;mircea_popescu;nor is there some kind of historical or cultural component to it, as teh little clitlers appear to imply. 1782588;1518064726;trinque;top-left one looks like a dude. I thought that was haram 1782589;1518067799;mircea_popescu;it is. beaucoup haram. 1782590;1518068745;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/best-of-fetlife-such-as-it-is/ << Trilema - Best of Fetlife (such as it is) 1782591;1518069253;trinque;totally accurate depiction of waco: sucks, probably can't read 1782592;1518095439;ave1;No it's not, as hanbot still had some problems with the embedded in svg images, if I read correctly. 1782593;1518095445;ave1;Re:http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782554 1782594;1518095445;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 00:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782404 << very much so ; is it off hanbot's (yet not really published ?) genesis or what ? 1782595;1518095470;ave1;So I've made a new genesis with images removed and sha512 sums inserted 1782596;1518095490;ave1;to be found here: http://ave1.org/2018/mp-wp-a-genesis/ 1782597;1518095562;ave1;I'll be happy to regrind my 2 (so far) patches if needed 1782598;1518095584;ave1;(to work on top of hanbot's genesis) 1782599;1518095875;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/ico-scams-continue-dying-kodaks-appears-to-stall-before-starting/ << Qntra - ICO Scams Continue: Dying Kodak's Appears To Stall Before Starting 1782600;1518095994;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1782601;1518096003;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8495.69, vol: 27293.26226256 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8486.0, vol: 91180.98734955 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8474.0, vol: 13914.1379832 | Volume-weighted last average: 8486.73648495 1782602;1518096064;BingoBoingo;!~later tell pete_dushenski There is also the BBisp mini conference http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/04/the-first-bbisp-mini-conference-and-montevideo-tourism-guide/ if you are inclined to make a trip. 1782603;1518096065;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1782604;1518096256;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo y buenas dias. 1782605;1518096420;BingoBoingo;In other developments tonight will be my third night sleeping in The 5. There is now a full on multi day final solution underway in the hostel to eradicate the chinches while occupancy is low. I mean outlet covers stripped, the sweet smell of TempoXL with a few other unfamiliar (but not organophosphate, possibly terpene) scents wafting out of the warzone. 1782606;1518096921;mircea_popescu;ave1 yeah, ideally make them patches off the full genesis once that appears ; afaik hanbot is stuck waiting for phf's proper vdiff, which evidently is stuck waiting for the conjclusion of phf's republican-oriental adventure. 1782607;1518096925;mircea_popescu;so like... two weeks ? 1782608;1518096951;mircea_popescu;aaand since it's the glorious morning of the 8th, let's do some last calls. 1782609;1518096960;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you see any problems with teh proposed setup ? 1782610;1518096969;mircea_popescu;phf you've not said a word, how goes over there ? 1782611;1518097008;shinohai;Tonight's menu: Pasta Con Salsa Cince 1782612;1518097074;shinohai;*chinches 1782613;1518097237;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Only in the challenge of sourcing the 2U sheetmetal/powersupplies locally, and the caveat that the CPU orderers gotta watch the SKU to get the right cooler. 1782614;1518097265;mircea_popescu;dc can't provide 2u boxing after all ? 1782615;1518097354;BingoBoingo;They apparently do not know how to order parts 1782616;1518097364;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, this is beyond ridiculous. 1782617;1518097384;mircea_popescu;if they do not provide 2u boxes, you go there with two containers of gasoline on the 13th instead of any parts, 1782618;1518097389;mircea_popescu;pour them on the ground and light it up. 1782619;1518097427;shinohai;Post results to BingoBlog por favor. 1782620;1518097482;mircea_popescu;"customer set montevideo dc on fire over dc's inability to provide 2u rack boxes." 1782621;1518097487;mircea_popescu;no jury will ever convict. 1782622;1518097853;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782606, will do! I didn't know it was doube stuck. At least now something is out, if anyone want to run mp-wp on php 5.6. 1782623;1518097853;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 13:35 mircea_popescu: ave1 yeah, ideally make them patches off the full genesis once that appears ; afaik hanbot is stuck waiting for phf's proper vdiff, which evidently is stuck waiting for the conjclusion of phf's republican-oriental adventure. 1782624;1518097890;mircea_popescu;ave1 i'd have just had you do the genesis rather than wait, but the problem is you can't really, on current inband diffing. 1782625;1518097904;mircea_popescu;was a whole thing in the logs a few weeks back that eventually lead to this structure. 1782626;1518098049;ave1;I know, I followed the recurrent discussion on binaries and uuencoded problems (with ++/-- in there). 1782627;1518098098;mircea_popescu;kk. 1782628;1518098148;mircea_popescu;i just dun want you to get the impression your work's not really wanted or anything of the kind. as is perhaps very evident we have a massive shortage of human capital in teh republic, and it's been worsening over the years. 1782629;1518098179;hanbot;ave1 cool deal. how's the backend feel w/o any pix? 1782630;1518098220;ave1;hanbot: it looks ugly, but as the pics are in tar files, you could still unpack these and have them back. 1782631;1518098365;ave1;will the republican ISP also provide some sort of website hosting? 1782632;1518098380;hanbot;mhm, neat. i'll check it out once the ball o' string's sorted 1782633;1518098432;BingoBoingo;ave1: Depends on if the datacenter can summon the appropriate urgency to respond to the present dilemma. 1782634;1518098442;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 9: Byte Order and Bit Disorder in Keccak 1782635;1518098613;diana_coman;phf, can you help test keccak on big endian iron? see ^ 1782636;1518098633;mircea_popescu;ave1 yep. 1782637;1518098944;ave1;k great 1782638;1518099354;hanbot;halp, i saw today's trilema header and i can't get up! 1782639;1518099370;mircea_popescu;finally its turn! 1782640;1518099399;mircea_popescu;12 nov - 8th feb. almost 3 months! 1782641;1518099449;hanbot;his tiny NOSTRIL, barely discernable from grain of sand! 1782642;1518099461;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. it's there! 1782643;1518099573;mircea_popescu;!~calc (41/42)^88 * 88 1782644;1518099574;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (41/42)^88 * 88 = 10.556610754891212 1782645;1518099586;mircea_popescu;mmm 1782646;1518099633;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1 - (41/42)^88 1782647;1518099635;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1 - (41/42)^88 = 0.8800385141489635 1782648;1518099682;shinohai;It was an appropriate header .... all the responses were pretty much "I liek turtles!" 1782649;1518099724;mircea_popescu;just about, yeah. 1782650;1518099728;*;diana_coman finds out she does ...not like baby turtles 1782651;1518099753;mircea_popescu;i dunno, dumb cunts at an age they're barely worth selling by open outcry somehow hallucinated for themselves this role whereby they sit their ass down and the world brings them shit for their evaluation. 1782652;1518099776;mircea_popescu;so that's it, precious cuntlet importantly declares "i approve of this thing" and that's all her job's worth, she's done. 1782653;1518099788;mircea_popescu;the world can now spin as she's done her part, and all anyone could ever demand of her. 1782654;1518099793;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ugly ? 1782655;1518099798;*;asciilifeform also admits to not. why not e.g. gigantic caterpillar. they're imho moar photogenic 1782656;1518099801;diana_coman;well, that's how it worked that far pretty much, isn't it? tell Daddy what you like, tell teacher what you'd like etc 1782657;1518099812;mircea_popescu;ya well. 1782658;1518099831;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, sort of inept dragon-look-a-like; I heard they are tasty though (bigger ones at least) 1782659;1518099843;mircea_popescu;da fuck must be rattling in the empty box above their shoulders to imagine anyone gives a shit whether they approve or disapprove, of anything. 1782660;1518099865;mircea_popescu;diana_coman they're tasty, sure, but believe it or not the little animal had a very distinct personality, in my hand. 1782661;1518099870;hanbot;asciilifeform caterpillars're kinda neurotoxic roulette here, afaik 1782662;1518099889;asciilifeform;hanbot: does lonomia live in cr ? 1782663;1518099892;diana_coman;I'm sure they can be endearing 1782664;1518099893;mircea_popescu;like a sort of mute benevolent something. let's say for touching one i have an intuitive understanding of why the world was carried by turtle rather than calipiter. 1782665;1518099924;diana_coman;and no, it's not a case of "ughhh, SO ugly " 1782666;1518099935;mircea_popescu;pretty weird looking for sure. 1782667;1518099940;shinohai;When I was in West Palm Beach once, I remember one of the most hilarious thing I saw on beach in the morning was DNR officers arresting 10-20 Hatians a morning for digging up turtle eggs to eat. 1782668;1518099963;mircea_popescu;heh 1782669;1518099970;diana_coman;yes, weird is a better description 1782670;1518100019;hanbot;asciilifeform i dun think so. certainly never saw 'im. 1782671;1518100047;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: any idea of which species of turtle it is ? what's it look like as adult ? 1782672;1518100051;diana_coman;caterpiller though ughhhhh; I have seen real fat, oozy, ugly ones several summers as a child; horrible 1782673;1518100092;diana_coman;when a poor tree is absolutely eaten up alive by the fat worms that fall at times with a splat on the path underneath 1782674;1518100104;diana_coman;among the "horrible things of the hot,hot plains in summer" 1782675;1518100108;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no idea specifically, some kind of chelonioidae 1782676;1518100133;mircea_popescu;odds are, leatherback (dermochelys) 1782677;1518100142;asciilifeform;diana_coman: as a child i imagined that caterpillars grow linearly thicker, heavier, moar revolting, as you go towards equator, and there they would be python-sized 1782678;1518100152;mircea_popescu;afaik all others have bony shells. but this was definitely leathery. 1782679;1518100163;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ahaha, I can see that; makes for a good nightmare too 1782680;1518100282;hanbot;mircea_popescu i dun think the guy in your pic is a leatherback; they have long vertical ridges on their shells, whereas tinyguy has the sorta hexagonal plates 1782681;1518100290;mircea_popescu;hm. 1782682;1518100296;mircea_popescu;let's break out the big guns then. 1782683;1518100325;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/pushing-the-soft-flesh-and-so-on-against-the-so-and-so-blades-of-the-immutable-machine-etcetera-second-installment/ << Trilema - Pushing the soft flesh and so on against the so and so blades of the immutable machine etcetera, second installment. 1782684;1518100455;mircea_popescu;so : there are four types of sea turtle known in costa rica. 1. eretmochelys imbricata, besides being VERY rare (critically endangered, too) has a beak, which the little guy lacks ; 2. chelonia mydas as far as anyone knows lives in tortuguero natl park, which is on the wrong side of the country (limon, vs this was if memory serves some miles down from jaco) ; 3. lepidochelis olivacea, besides not looking anything like that af 1782685;1518100455;mircea_popescu;aik, does the whole swarm thing where the whole beach is moving with tiny turtles, whereas i thought this was a single nest event, as there were what, a dozen or two all within a few meters of each other. 1782686;1518100901;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782683 << i am disappoint!11 was expecting delish custom flame, found ~room-temp head-shaking! where is the spark, the gusto. 1782687;1518100901;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 14:32 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/pushing-the-soft-flesh-and-so-on-against-the-so-and-so-blades-of-the-immutable-machine-etcetera-second-installment/ << Trilema - Pushing the soft flesh and so on against the so and so blades of the immutable machine etcetera, second installment. 1782688;1518100910;BingoBoingo;So, before I send this missive off, does it convey the appropriate level of urgency and incredulity about the chassis situation http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wWZzt/?raw=true 1782689;1518100959;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "there is no way to" / "you can't even provide the bare bones necessary supplies for using your services" 1782690;1518100962;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: shouldn't it be in orclang ? 1782691;1518101180;hanbot;mircea_popescu : no, that's it, the olive ridley. looky! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Olive_ridley_hatchling_in_Mexico_(8218893828).jpg 1782692;1518101227;mircea_popescu;o hey, right you are, aren';t you. 1782693;1518101245;mircea_popescu;jesus, you know the females come back every year to the beach they were born. the fact that only one nested there successfully means... 1782694;1518101262;hanbot;lyf is hard 1782695;1518101518;mircea_popescu;hanbot bonus points : if you actually go through one of their dumbass "organized tours", other than the herd of fetlife cowsies everywhere, you're not even allowed to hold them! 1782696;1518101567;mircea_popescu;i suppose this explains why ~all of them automatically assume "this is my job". teh state has so failed the individual, it's inconceivable one might you know, fucking live. 1782697;1518101655;mircea_popescu;in other news, so they lay about 100 eggs sometime in november, hatching takes seven-eight weeks. considering these were coming out on nov 12th ?! weird shit. 1782698;1518101669;hanbot;i'm sure. in my experience "organized x" here means "tie yourself to 'bilingual' guide, by which we mean box of overeager wordsalad, listen to five precautions per actionable item, getcher FREE dorkscout badge" 1782699;1518101694;mircea_popescu;well, on the plus side they are carnivorous, so maybe they eat most of the guidebois. 1782700;1518102157;hanbot;that's an organization i could get behind, feed ze turtles (guideboi edition). 1782701;1518102357;mircea_popescu;apparently jaguars attack them, imagine that! 1782702;1518102380;hanbot;jaguars on the beach?! i'm not going often enough, i guess 1782703;1518102389;mircea_popescu;in other not-news, i've been shitting like a colon courrier over here, i had no fucking idea i was that fulla shit. 1782704;1518102403;mircea_popescu;apparently spending half a day being tumble-dried by the ocean is great for one's internals. 1782705;1518102410;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo "there is no way to" / "you can't even provide the bare bones necessary supplies for using your services" << Sent with the further reminder : "From our earliest conversations I was clear that housing customer provided hardware was the focus of my business. The quotes for new Supermicro servers have not interested them from a cost basis perspective, and now they are getting together a pile of hardware to 1782706;1518102410;BingoBoingo;send this way." 1782707;1518102421;mircea_popescu;hanbot apparently they eat the neck and leave the turtle for dead. 1782708;1518102436;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo works. 1782709;1518102530;hanbot;mircea_popescu jeeze, they don't even leave the carcass on someone's doorstep? 1782710;1518102541;mircea_popescu;well, 30kgs, kinda too heavy 1782711;1518102647;hanbot;turtle's gotta evolve to spray some seawater in catfaces. 1782712;1518102662;shinohai;*Sigh* https://killyourself.network/ 1782713;1518102744;mircea_popescu;shinohai sadly misguided ; nevermind the "assholes", how about everyone else, all the copacetic timeservers ease the world of their unwelcome burden. 1782714;1518102778;shinohai;Misleading as well, they actually support anti-suicide efforts. 1782715;1518102793;mircea_popescu;heh. 1782716;1518102794;*;shinohai would like to see Futurama suicide booths on every corner .... 1782717;1518102796;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: shouldn't it be in orclang ? << No. They have made it clear they know more than enough English, and you don't make strong asks in their own linguistic territory. And the head of the tech team does fluent English including idiomatics. I have met enough of their people to know the message going to be understood. 1782718;1518103773;mircea_popescu;aaand in other historical lulz, 1782719;1518103775;mircea_popescu;!~google "Smoke billows from the Empire State Building in New York, July 28, 1945, after an Army B-25 bomber en route to Newark Airport crashed into the upper floors of the structure. Fires were started on the top 11 floors of the building." 1782720;1518103776;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1945 Empire State Building B - 25 crash - Wikipedia: ; B - 25 Crashes Into Empire State Building - HISTORY.com Audio: ; 164 best 9- 11 / empire state building images on Pinterest ...: Te vas a McDonalds BingoBoingo ? What has Uruguay done to you? << I had to see that the locals can indeed be beaten into doing some sort of business and made to enjoy it. 1782768;1518108182;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not much more than 16u or so though, so it stays rackable. 1782769;1518108203;mircea_popescu;phf dja see basic problems with the plan as is, taking a dozen sets over ? 1782770;1518108253;ben_vulpes;so anyone who can't get materiel to phf by takeoff may talk to me about hauling machines down south. i expect folks to cover freight, pitch in on the trip costs, and guarantee reimbursement for VAT/IVA should it be levied at the airport. 1782771;1518108281;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: currently estimating 3-6u, nothing nutty 1782772;1518108293;ben_vulpes;nothing stopping me at that other than time though 1782773;1518108308;mircea_popescu;phf http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/b58eD/?raw=true 1782774;1518108309;ben_vulpes;oh and please to have machines at my domicile by the end of the month. 1782775;1518108338;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so you're thinking like early march ? are you stopping by here too ? 1782776;1518108410;phf;ben_vulpes: aw sucks, i'll be in portlandia in early march, wanted to schedule a get together 1782777;1518108439;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, one of the boxes flying with me has synced with my max aggression patch atop asciilifeform's aggressive pushgetblocks has climbed to 308K in 4 days 1782778;1518108440;mircea_popescu;at the rate we're going we'll end up with the first l1 get together through planes crashing into each other sometime this year. 1782779;1518108446;asciilifeform;neato ben_vulpes 1782780;1518108461;ben_vulpes;phf: well i'm flexible yet, gpg me some dates and i'll ensure to have time to say hello 1782781;1518108463;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: post to the trb ml, sort what it's for 1782782;1518108478;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: so that later can point, 'here's the experiment' 1782783;1518108494;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: gonna ship another box with the timing patch from aeons ago, sync to completion and then post 1782784;1518108520;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: if yr hospitality extends to me i'd love to stop in 1782785;1518108530;*;BingoBoingo is specing a different power supply that will actually fit in a 2U case, but is requesting the quote 1782786;1518108542;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes sure. 1782787;1518108551;ben_vulpes;woo 1782788;1518108684;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: one interesting hiccup was that when i synced in vanilla "connect to wide net" mode, this new node somehow got stuck and also i think triggered some weirdo crash/wedge on another machine of mine with a raid array of rust that had until that moment been hanging at the tip of the spear, but when run with -connect to the self-same (restarted) node a) the rust caught back up within an hour and b) 1782789;1518108687;ben_vulpes;the new box has been syncing unstoppedly since 1782790;1518108705;ben_vulpes;and before you ask for logs from the wedged box -- it simply stopped writing logs. damndest thing. 1782791;1518108710;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i don't suppose you kept the ufo^H^H^Hcrash dump 1782792;1518108716;asciilifeform;eh. 1782793;1518108723;asciilifeform;no segfault in sys log either ? 1782794;1518108725;asciilifeform;nuffin ? 1782795;1518108729;ben_vulpes;nuffin. 1782796;1518108741;asciilifeform;this is poor experimental design, ben_vulpes 1782797;1518108772;ben_vulpes;what do you want to see next time? 1782798;1518108781;asciilifeform;something! 1782799;1518108793;mircea_popescu;the things asciilifeform has time for. 1782800;1518108794;ben_vulpes;i've another machine coming online this afternoon, i'll endeavour to reproduce 1782801;1518108959;ben_vulpes;meanwhile elsewhere: "I found a nice place where people are so stupid you can make up that an imaginary friend propped up a knife and wounded you, and they will take you seriously. God bless r/tulpas." 1782802;1518109266;mircea_popescu;diana_coman seems to me on the first pass the winning combo is 1.1 / 2.1 / 3.1 ; the phf objection to bit meaning precludes anything else it seems to me ; with the exception that won't bit-extraction (3.1) be particularly slow ? 1782803;1518109794;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you two arrange to have teh nsa boxes shipped that way ? 1782804;1518109882;asciilifeform;which way 1782805;1518109898;asciilifeform;i thought mircea_popescu wanted them dead last 1782806;1518110023;mircea_popescu;did you work out something with ben_vulpes re taking nsa boxes over to bb. 1782807;1518110038;asciilifeform;oh nope , i just nao found out that he's going 1782808;1518110079;asciilifeform;but yes i'd like to make use of ben_vulpes's shipment services, if mircea_popescu allocates a berth 1782809;1518110174;asciilifeform;( i would also like to fill up with disks the 2 boxes that were made for mircea_popescu . but it would work just as well to fill them up on BB end , if other people are sending disks, when mircea_popescu feels like filling them ) 1782810;1518111021;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782635 << what is that ascii says, "will throw it in the hopper" 1782811;1518111021;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 14:03 diana_coman: phf, can you help test keccak on big endian iron? see ^ 1782812;1518111470;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/08/a-morning-of-growth-and-magic-words/ << Bingo Blog - A Morning Of Growth And Magic Words 1782813;1518112049;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, well, if input+output are considered at octet level, there is a case to say that reading out of the state is also done at octet level; I'll mull this over a bit longer re speed as such (for the word-level implementation because the bit-level is just as slow either way) 1782814;1518118922;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yfwCX/?raw=true 1782815;1518118922;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1782816;1518119162;BingoBoingo;Yo voy a un leccion de español para un poco tiempo. 1782817;1518119421;ben_vulpes;binance, an altcoin exchange with no representation in the forum, is down 1782818;1518119514;trinque;BingoBoingo: good luck buddy, and don't let it piss you off 1782819;1518119519;trinque;gotta squeeze the vendors! 1782820;1518119562;*;trinque gets why mircea_popescu didn't want me squeezing the particular limb I grabbed, but still 1782821;1518119836;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/B1PLp << more on support animals 1782822;1518119841;BingoBoingo;There at least is a number and a timeline to offer other vendors to beat. That is all I want to say about the quote for cases and power supplies before mircea_popescu reads it. The suspense today has probably aged me five years... 1782823;1518119984;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i gotta wonder if these folx know about those mouse cartridges 1782824;1518120024;ben_vulpes;the excuse me what now? 1782825;1518120038;trinque;"flushed her emotional support hamster" << wahahaha 1782826;1518120046;TomServo;I'm dying here. 1782827;1518120068;trinque;if only there were a video. 1782828;1518120118;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: some time iirc in the second bush term, there was a seekoority-theatre props vendor that sold 'bomb sniffer' using live mice. operator never saw the mice; they shipped in sealed cartridges with fixed amt of food, water, red led turned on when it finally croaked and time for new cartridge. like xerox. 1782829;1518120121;TomServo;Now she'll have to step up to emotional support ardvark. 1782830;1518120222;asciilifeform;for some reason i dun recall any whining from the zoophilia people 1782831;1518120320;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: hah new one on me 1782832;1518120390;asciilifeform;fwiw i have nfi whether it took off. was pitched in the chemical warfare trade lit i was reading at the time. 1782833;1518120902;lobbes;"So she did what she felt was the most humane choice." My sides.. wtf. If situation wasn't absurd enough, the fact that she came to conclusion that "mammal slowly drowning in shitter" = moar humane than simply letting it loose in/around airport (or even taking a well placed shoe to it) puzzles me the most 1782834;1518121003;lobbes;Bonus lulz if it did not, in fact, flush and next bathroom patron had a not-so-pleasant suprise upon looking down 1782835;1518121231;phf;this must be a put on 1782836;1518122069;phf;"For the past several years, we've moved toward a more secure web by strongly advocating that sites adopt HTTPS encryption. And within the last year, we've also helped users understand that HTTP sites are not secure by gradually marking a larger subset of HTTP pages as "not secure". Beginning in July 2018 with the release of Chrome 68, Chrome will mark all HTTP sites as "not secure"." 1782837;1518122171;ben_vulpes;and you gotta use gcc 7 to get the spectre mitigations in gentoo 1782838;1518122221;phf;llvm only build. 1782839;1518122239;phf;gcc is unsafe, and this is all about making web safer for everyone. 1782840;1518122256;ben_vulpes;gcc has the ken thompson hack and llvm doesn't dontcha know 1782841;1518122298;ben_vulpes;fuck this noise i'm getting my ase cert and going into rally cars 1782842;1518122343;ben_vulpes;call me when btc crosses 100k and asciilifeform finally coughs up for the custom fab 1782843;1518122358;mod6;lol 1782844;1518122441;trinque;gotta use gcc7 to get the spectre mitigations in * 1782845;1518122447;trinque;PRETTY FUCKIN CONVENIENT ISN'T IT 1782846;1518122777;phf;to be fair that goes back to the idea entertained in logs for going back to single purpose devices. no need to fear root escalation if all and only users are root :> 1782847;1518122821;trinque;myep, internet-connected devices are public devices, news at 11 1782848;1518122864;phf;no, that's not what i said. internet connected devices are not inherently susceptible to spectre 1782849;1518122897;asciilifeform;lol who needs microarch exotica when you have magicdmapacket 1782850;1518123291;*;trinque ought to have been more specific I guess. boxes with web browsers, or otherwise interpreting foreign non-signed data, are... 1782851;1518123309;trinque;which aha, sort of trumped by the swiss cheese networking gear itself 1782852;1518123382;phf;doing turing computation on behalf of non-wot-ed counterparties is haram 1782853;1518123423;phf;so let it be written, so let it be done 1782854;1518123479;phf;yes, scury away, chanserv, you to will fall in the first batlerian jihad. 1782855;1518123516;ben_vulpes;abandoned by chanserv 1782856;1518123528;ben_vulpes;who will service the chan now?! 1782857;1518123540;mod6;all cummers 1782858;1518123546;ben_vulpes;lol 1782859;1518123609;ben_vulpes;subj. of 60s/70s fiction, /me rereading zelazny's chronicles of amber for the first time in over a decade. did not age as poorly as i expected. 1782860;1518123845;phf;i reread chronicles about a year ago, "properly" this time by tracking down the entire set in pulp 1782861;1518123898;phf;i think zelazny aged well, but then i'm biased, i grew up on stuff 1782862;1518124003;phf;though i kind of like his random novels more at this point, lord of ligh, creates of light and darkness, jack of shadows, etc. 1782863;1518124117;ben_vulpes;lord of light also on the reread list, i can't actually remember what it was about for the life of me it's been so long. 1782864;1518124167;phf;he the most reminds me of the kind of teenage 70s-80s that i caught only tail end of, progrock, heavy metal magazine, d&d, church of satan, slew of those illustrators, like giger 1782865;1518124266;phf;syd mead, jean giraud, dan simmons hyperion. the tail end of some adaquate boyhood culture 1782866;1518124274;ben_vulpes;heh yeah the chronicles has a flavor very similar to that 'heavy metal' set of shorts 1782867;1518124291;ben_vulpes;dude i just reread hyperion and fall of endymion too for the first time as an adult 1782868;1518124346;ben_vulpes;girl put this miserable pulp "ninefox gambit" in front of me recently, and i've been bingeing to get the taste out of my mouth 1782869;1518124361;ben_vulpes;shit was gaaaaaaaaay 1782870;1518124380;ben_vulpes;as in actually homoerotic; with gay brotherly incest thrown in to boot 1782871;1518124409;ben_vulpes;it's what you get for picking things based on "it was written by a queer person of color" rather than "it is actually good" 1782872;1518124416;phf;well, it's a slashfiction fiction slash. i've picked up a few "scifi" books and it all goes in that direction somehow 1782873;1518124419;mod6;lol 1782874;1518124460;ben_vulpes;i muchly prefer the manly men doing manly stabbings and gambling and whoring tyvm 1782875;1518124474;ben_vulpes;(given as my life is so very pedestrian probably) 1782876;1518124565;ben_vulpes;and just to purge the queue, also read the last few books in the robert jordan and friends and children series and yup it ends exactly as you'd imagine good guys win bad guys get locked up for another eternity until the cycle starts all over again millenia hence 1782877;1518124729;phf;i've not really heard about jordan until i came to u.s., and then from the usual suspects, so i didn't feel inclined to read him 1782878;1518124794;ben_vulpes;i was infected by that one as an actual child 1782879;1518124907;phf;i suspect the easter european equivalent would be andrzey sapkowski 1782880;1518124967;phf;as in a kind of mindless high fantasy soap opera 1782881;1518125274;phf;easter europeans: https://b1.culture.ru/c/88998.jpg 1782882;1518125382;*;phf had an easy in with a certain of kind girl growing up, because my dad new sapkowski and i still have a signed copy of miecz przeznaczenia somewhere 1782883;1518126047;ben_vulpes;heeeeeere's johnny! 1782884;1518126198;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ahahaa 6.6 grand pre their derpy tax for mounts ? 1782885;1518126198;phf;http://achewood.com/index.php?date=06102002 1782886;1518126206;mircea_popescu;get the everloving fuck out of this planed, what the fuck is this. 1782887;1518126222;mircea_popescu;at 20 days ? 1782888;1518126232;mircea_popescu;my opinion is why the fuck am i working with these retardsa. 1782889;1518126291;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782839 << hey, google is anti-safe. the less google anything you use, the better your world is. 1782890;1518126291;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 20:37 phf: gcc is unsafe, and this is all about making web safer for everyone. 1782891;1518126335;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782845 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778804 1782892;1518126335;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 20:40 trinque: PRETTY FUCKIN CONVENIENT ISN'T IT 1782893;1518126335;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 14:34 mp_en_viaje: so no, protected mode hasn;'t become because it offered. the pantsuit decided it must be, and therefore prevented the non-mongoloid child from offering. 1782894;1518126336;phf;woosh 1782895;1518126340;mircea_popescu;fuck 'em. 1782896;1518126384;mircea_popescu;phf aaaand what just flew ? 1782897;1518126529;phf;heh 1782898;1518126567;phf;in america they like to put "special kids" into building with normal people, and there was a retard kid in one of the buildings i lived in, every time he saw a helicopter he'd start yelling "belly bopter! belly bopter!" 1782899;1518126590;phf;weirdest things get stock in memory.. 1782900;1518126639;trinque;too bad, a few generations on he could've been a 'tarded pilot. 1782901;1518126710;phf;i can see that, they always have two pilots on commercial lines, so they'll just stick the two together, and it's an unwritten rule that the sane guy has to stay vigilant for the duration of the whole flight, but he can't say it, because he'll get fired. 1782902;1518126727;phf;of course when they crash, it's always the sane guy's fault, "technical failure" 1782903;1518126805;ben_vulpes;what kind of building was this phf, school? 1782904;1518126888;trinque;kinda explains why a relation did so well on his way into an airline's training dept, only to promptly leave the job once had. 1782905;1518126995;phf;ben_vulpes: nah, actually a swanky highrise. it's some kind of social program where they rent $3000 apartments to special needs kids, i suspect with some kind of discount--tax break deal 1782906;1518127064;ben_vulpes;i'm guessing no 'poor door'? https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/nyregion/separate-entryways-for-new-york-condo-buyers-and-renters-create-an-affordable-housing-dilemma.html 1782907;1518127108;ben_vulpes;"it was not evident at the time the nuances of where the doors would be" har har har 1782908;1518127124;ben_vulpes;exactly the "get another car" thing mircea_popescu described 1782909;1518127249;ben_vulpes;(the log line of which i cannot find) 1782910;1518127331;phf;would defeat the whole purpose, you want it to be conspicuous 1782911;1518127514;ben_vulpes;gross 1782912;1518127589;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo ahahaa 6.6 grand pre their derpy tax for mounts ? << Before the 22% VAT no less 1782913;1518127626;BingoBoingo; get the everloving fuck out of this planed, what the fuck is this. << It's seeming a lot like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779313 1782914;1518127626;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 01:18 mp_en_viaje: yeee. keep your cool, most common moment for things to be fucked up is upon first success. 1782915;1518127847;ben_vulpes;how about this us stock market blowoff: 9% loss in less than a month! stocks clearly too volatile to be worth anything as grownup investments. 1782916;1518128631;mod6;http://archive.is/XmK9T << "small potatoes" 1782917;1518128747;ben_vulpes;haw 1782918;1518129184;trinque;stocks down, bond yields up, and meanwhile congress just passed some gigantic expansion of the budget 1782919;1518129204;trinque;federal govt: "I'm not dead yet!" 1782920;1518129326;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6TNbp/?raw=true The whole email thread from this morning through their suggesting desktop power supplies to go with rackmount cases to my polite suggestion the numbers and timeline aren't acceptable. Fuck me, and fuck these monkeys with their SHHHH SHHH sounds. Fucking monkeys just have turned operation "Make BingoBoingo rich 2018" into a clusterfuck by entertaining the "Let's 1782921;1518129327;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: No closing quotation 1782922;1518129327;BingoBoingo;extort the gringo on SHEETMETAL" idea 1782923;1518129425;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: good luck buddy, and don't let it piss you off << This wasn't a euphamism. Actual spanish lesson with the Venezolana dentist turned teacher. 1782924;1518129442;BingoBoingo;Yo voy a caminar un poco. 1782925;1518129497;trinque;ah I was reacting to the blog post 1782926;1518129504;trinque;should've been a comment 1782927;1518129726;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623193 1782928;1518129726;a111;Logged on 2017-03-08 14:51 phf: in fact my bed&briekfast guy is very much "an old dutch moves to an indian village": "license costs 300rs, but they found another irregularity so i have to pay 10'000rs fee" 1782929;1518130150;BingoBoingo;trinque: Ah 1782930;1518130438;BingoBoingo;Still, I present "here is an emergency" Let's work through this. In the most charitable interpretation they decide to do what the PUA's call a shit test. In the most likely case an attempt at extortion. I was expecting "This pile costs X in lands with commerce, duties customs etc cost X, and transport costs Y depending on how fast we get it here." 1782931;1518130546;phf;i'm not sure what the thinking is, but they can't really do anything that you can't do, as far as importing hardware. literally they'll have to do all the same steps + potentially navigating local import specifics 1782932;1518130595;phf;so there's two points here, one is that you're opening yourself up for extortion commonly known as "valet service" 1782933;1518130655;phf;other point is that since we've never actually tried importing anything into uruguay that "+ local import specifics" might translate into extortion on the border (which, say, was sop in russia in the 90s) 1782934;1518130767;phf;so the combination of those two points is that it's possible that dc knows about full overhead of import + they charge you for valet. considering that you're a ~random dude~ dropping serious cash on their server rack that is of right now entirely empty, it's safe for them to assume that you have mad american cash burning yer pockets 1782935;1518130794;BingoBoingo;All I know is rack, human behavior. Connectivity, human behavior. Hardware MONKEYS! 1782936;1518130841;phf;"all i know" is a poor stance to take in a situation that requires tactical thinking 1782937;1518130865;*;BingoBoingo voy a caminar and burn more andrenalin off. 1782938;1518130959;phf;you also could for example look at the gestalt of the dynamic process. rack and connectivity is their walk in bread and butter. they probably overcharged you, but not by much, because it was their first interaction with you. meanwhile dynamic process evolves. they are probably sad now that they didn't overcharge you more for rack, compensating on hardware (that's another alternative take on what's going on) 1782939;1518131004;trinque;overcharged by 200/mo as per my own casual probing 1782940;1518131158;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782871 << well so don't do that. 1782941;1518131158;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 21:13 ben_vulpes: it's what you get for picking things based on "it was written by a queer person of color" rather than "it is actually good" 1782942;1518131174;mircea_popescu;by the time they advertise that sorta dumb shit, you know it belongs in the furnace. 1782943;1518131309;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782899 << stuck, lol 1782944;1518131309;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 21:49 phf: weirdest things get stock in memory.. 1782945;1518131387;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782905 << absolutely. the principal reason i will not consider any pantsuitlands real estate ownership ever is that they actually have the unmitigated cheek to use printed "money" to install the scum in there "too". 1782946;1518131387;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 21:56 phf: ben_vulpes: nah, actually a swanky highrise. it's some kind of social program where they rent $3000 apartments to special needs kids, i suspect with some kind of discount--tax break deal 1782947;1518131674;mircea_popescu;"“Walking into a building should not be any different based on income status,” Ms. Glen said in an interview." << inept pantsuit wank. the only way poor people walk into a human building is as long as they're female, before their 30th birthday and if they have enough sense not to put clothes on. what the everloving fuck is this, they're people now, the poor fucks ?! 1782948;1518131702;mircea_popescu;and why am i even reading fake news central, jaysys 1782949;1518131839;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782918 << hey, better than shutdown!! 1782950;1518131839;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 22:33 trinque: stocks down, bond yields up, and meanwhile congress just passed some gigantic expansion of the budget 1782951;1518131903;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782924 <<< i guess we'll be having to pile up even more shit in the transport. by now uruguay is worth ~nothing. can't produce papwerowkr, can't produce cash, can't produce gear... 1782952;1518131903;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 22:37 BingoBoingo: Yo voy a caminar un poco. 1782953;1518131911;*;trinque agrees, why fade away when you can burn out 1782954;1518131916;mircea_popescu;anyway, pick an item from the actual suppliers lessee. 1782955;1518131925;mircea_popescu;phf what's your guess as to your weight limit ? 20 ? 30 ? 50 ? 1782956;1518132013;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782932 << the only point to my eyes is that someone fucked in the head enough to run something they call "datacenter" without one ton of spare racks laying about is not distinguishable from three twelve year old white boys in a "tree fort" running a "porn business" through taking complicatedly filtered ipad shots of their own palms. 1782957;1518132013;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 22:56 phf: so there's two points here, one is that you're opening yourself up for extortion commonly known as "valet service" 1782958;1518132027;mircea_popescu;if they don'\t have rackmounts, why exactly am i to believe they have, eg, generators. 1782959;1518132047;mircea_popescu;seems to me the man without a spare in the trunk is also not going to have an engine in working order. 1782960;1518132647;phf;23kg two bags, each extra 11kg extra $100; obviously more packed -- higher chance of structural damage. 1782961;1518132738;phf;it's a vacation spot, all the recommendations people send my way involve beaches, bitches and hot springs. i don't see why i should pack anything more than a pair of shorts 1782962;1518132743;mircea_popescu;i see. the bitch with the rack mounts is that they're heavy. 1782963;1518132792;mircea_popescu;anyway BingoBoingo do not omit to point to the monkeys that they're now the laughingstock of the internet as the ~only "datacenter" in the world that doesn't have enough sense to stock a pile of mounts for the customers. 1782964;1518132800;phf;i mean, the question is how much ~i~ can carry, vs. how costly it's going to rapidly become 1782965;1518132801;mircea_popescu;what's next, "bring your own plates" fine dining ? 1782966;1518132822;asciilifeform;shouldn't the dc at least have a stash of iron belonging to defunkt/insolvent tenants 1782967;1518132840;mircea_popescu;if they weren't dropped on their heads as children... 1782968;1518132854;asciilifeform;hard to believe that it all goes ~immediately~ to the scrap gypsies 1782969;1518132870;mircea_popescu;hard to believe uruguayan people manage to somehow eat, by now. 1782970;1518132897;trinque;phf's "shit, didn't overcharge enough for the rack" hypothesis is pretty plausible. 1782971;1518132903;asciilifeform;do they ? eat on own power, i mean. or does somebody fill their bowl with kibble, like in argentina 1782972;1518132913;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. 1782973;1518132980;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you actually know what mounts you need/want exactly ? lemme know. 1782974;1518132993;mircea_popescu;phf watch how five days ain't gonna even vaguely be enough sheesh. 1782975;1518133818;phf;so when you guys say "racks", you mean chassis right? 1782976;1518134556;BingoBoingo;For a chassis either of these would work https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219032 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147180 1782977;1518134579;BingoBoingo;For a power supply this should be sufficient https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151130 1782978;1518134609;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you have weight specs for either of these ? 1782979;1518134624;phf;"A rack mount case should fit in a standard 19" EIA rack. They call it a 19" rack for a reason. It's not a 19 1/4" rack. The edge of this case's ears are 19 1/4", had to grind them to fit my rack. Also one EIA space..." 1782980;1518134629;phf;first product 1782981;1518134650;phf;6kg 1782982;1518134664;mircea_popescu;holy hell what 1782983;1518134674;BingoBoingo;Holy shit 1782984;1518134703;mircea_popescu;omfg. 1782985;1518134719;mircea_popescu;Weight 6.4 kg/14 lb (NET) 9.1 kg/20 lb (GROSS) 1782986;1518134723;BingoBoingo;Reading more 1782987;1518134725;mircea_popescu;6 POINT FOUR! NET! 1782988;1518134745;phf;"It's worth mentioning that out of the 4 of these I've purchased so far, I got one for which the front USB ports are shorted and kill USB devices you plug into it. I lost two flash drives before realizing this was the problem. " second product, lulz. thought that's like random factor in cheap chinese shit 1782989;1518134747;mircea_popescu;dude how fucking long have i been asleep whjat the fuck is this never in my life have i held a mount chassis this heavy ever. 1782990;1518134790;mircea_popescu;so how do you feel about 76.8 kgs worth of chassis phf ! 1782991;1518134814;mircea_popescu;!~google snatch "heavy is good... heavy is reliable... if the dc is manned by idiots you can always hit them with it..." 1782992;1518134816;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Snatch (film) - Wikiquote: ; Snatch Script at IMSDb.: ; Snatch | All The Tropes Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia: 1782993;1518134873;mircea_popescu;(the power supply is like 3kgs, and that's not fucking avoidable) 1782994;1518134973;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo im tell you i'm deeply nonplussed that i discover you can't actually rack anything in the dc you reported walked through after renting it and the very fucking day i'm supposed to start ordering parts. 1782995;1518134981;mircea_popescu;wtf have you been doing till now! 1782996;1518135004;shinohai;Build own! https://www.tnutz.com/ 1782997;1518135134;mircea_popescu;even if sane chassis were to be found, you can't find weightless power supplies (why exactly the rack provides 220V rather than directly rail is a question for another time ; and why this was't raised as a point at any previous time.) and there's simply no way i can have phf drag 50+ kgs of ~worthless parts across the oceans. 1782998;1518136005;deedbot;http://107.170.141.103/2018/coppa-airlines-baggage/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - Copa Airlines baggage policy 1782999;1518136285;BingoBoingo;They have empty cabinets on casters ready to go. They have C13 plugs on the power distribution units. I failed to anticipate the hell that would be getting formed sheet metal here. I have apparently not been doing enough investigation into these basic questions. And the quote came late enough that I am probably not going to know until tomorrow if any of the local vendors that just now stated talking are going to keep doing it. I have 1783000;1518136285;BingoBoingo;been trying to find and screen locals that might be useful for anything while staying somewhat sane. 1783001;1518136322;BingoBoingo;And I am feeling right fucked about getting myself here. 1783002;1518136330;BingoBoingo;In this dilemma. 1783003;1518136385;BingoBoingo;In a country that is only avoiding starvation because the Brazilians like doing the Cannabis tourism thing. 1783004;1518136454;BingoBoingo; do they ? eat on own power, i mean. or does somebody fill their bowl with kibble, like in argentina << They afford to farm on Brazillian tourists money. How they have the ability to get from there to lifting the fork into their mouths I have increasingly less idea. 1783005;1518136498;ben_vulpes;phf: what's involved in "transporting as cargo"? 1783006;1518136710;phf;ben_vulpes: it's a standard cargo service, separate from flight engagement 1783007;1518136897;phf;i.e. you pack it in a box (300kg max, 70kg each individual box), weigh and measure it, send them a quote. i don't know what the specific prices are 1783008;1518137864;mircea_popescu;it's only available on some lines though, eg that aren't already overloaded with girly underpants. 1783009;1518137893;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you mean c14 ? 1783010;1518137897;BingoBoingo;This gets under ~5 kg at 10.6 lbs https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147250 reviews aren't bad 1783011;1518137903;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: c13 1783012;1518137922;BingoBoingo;The plug that goes into the power supply is the same that goes into the PDU 1783013;1518137980;BingoBoingo;Ah, c13 1783014;1518137988;BingoBoingo;*c14 1783015;1518137997;mircea_popescu;both exist ; so which is it ? 1783016;1518138279;mircea_popescu;at any rate, the only possible moves here seem to be a) phf see if the airline is willing to take a ~100 kgs as cargo ; b) BingoBoingo DO THE RESEARCH tonight, as to b.1) EXACTLY, ~absolutely~ exactly what parts do you actually need and b.2) list of places you could conceivably get it at there, whatever shops. then tomorrow starting 8am you go check all of those. no words, be shown the physical item. 1783017;1518138323;mircea_popescu;nfi how you'll manage to actually pay for anything locally, seeing how you very indolently allowed yourself to be painted into this corner where you have no bank account and can't sell bitcoins, but that's a problem to be tackled later. 1783018;1518138439;mircea_popescu;and bear in fucking mind that the reason http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 happened on the 6th at 2am rather than on the 9th at 2am is PRECISELY so that we have this conversation at the latest during the 6th, not during the fucking 9th. 1783019;1518138439;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? 1783020;1518138485;mircea_popescu;i have no idea where this cavallier attitude is coming from, but the only thing it'll come to is tears, if the point's not well driven home by now. 1783021;1518138951;mircea_popescu;leaving aside we don't even know what disks we're buying. eg, the rosewill chassis only usefully takes 3.5 inch ones. 1783022;1518138977;BingoBoingo;The point is clear. Making a list. Taking both cameras and extra batteries on the search. 1783023;1518139001;BingoBoingo; leaving aside we don't even know what disks we're buying. eg, the rosewill chassis only usefully takes 3.5 inch ones. << 2.5 to 3.5 shims are on the list 1783024;1518139017;mircea_popescu;(most ssds are 2.5". will you need adaptors ? THAT sort of thing) 1783025;1518139316;BingoBoingo;Do we have a quantity on drives? 1783026;1518139373;BingoBoingo;1, 2, 3, or more per machine? 1783027;1518140296;mircea_popescu;the idea was some 2 some 4, so 36 in total. 1783028;1518140335;*;mircea_popescu is trying not to think of the obvious point that if he's buying by the dozen he's supposed to be getting fucking discounts. 1783029;1518140336;shinohai;http://archive.is/QT5gc "How Socialism Ruined Latin America" 1783030;1518140365;BingoBoingo;36 it is 1783031;1518140558;mircea_popescu;yes but 36 whats lol. 1783032;1518140949;BingoBoingo;SSD's over 500 GB in size. If they go in phf's bag Samsung. On my list I am asking every store what they have if they have it. 1783033;1518142246;shinohai;Bwahahahaha "California Assemblywoman Who Championed #MeToo Movement Accused of Groping Former Staffer" 1783034;1518142541;ben_vulpes;"hoist upon own petard" 1783035;1518143070;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nevermind asking for ssds locally, it's not worth it. 1783036;1518143078;BingoBoingo;ok 1783037;1518143085;mircea_popescu;what you want is everything else you might need, other than boards/cpus/rams/disks. 1783038;1518143099;mircea_popescu;all the cheap heavy shit that's not really worth courriering. 1783039;1518150517;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/08/bbisp-shopping-and-shops-list-for-exploring/ << Bingo Blog - BBisp Shopping And Shops List For Exploring 1783040;1518151197;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ct16g3r186dm specifically. it's not simply "ddr 3". it's actually 1866, these things matter. 1783041;1518151309;mircea_popescu;and of course mind the "limit x per customer" bullshit. and so on. 1783042;1518152448;mircea_popescu;(in other lulz, the price of that thing went up about 15% since it was first mentioned. hurr durr.) 1783043;1518157281;pete_dushenski;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OaneH/?raw=true 1783044;1518157281;deedbot;E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD is already registered as pete_dushenski. 1783045;1518157323;pete_dushenski;hm. so as not to flail further, how do i update my pubkey ? trinque ? 1783046;1518157337;pete_dushenski;!#s expiration 1783047;1518157338;a111;181 results for "expiration", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=expiration 1783048;1518157918;trinque;why in the fuck are people still using expiration? 1783049;1518157980;trinque;pete_dushenski: is your key at least not yet expired? 1783050;1518158040;pete_dushenski;trinque: expires on the 11th. lol didn't know better back in 2014 when mp said 'get in wot yo' 1783051;1518158156;trinque;drop it my way and I'll get it in there tomorrow 1783052;1518158175;trinque;heh, "hm I better set this to a long time" 1783053;1518158177;trinque;I can see it 1783054;1518158372;pete_dushenski;pretty much. 4 years was 4x as long as i'd held a btc in my own wallet. seemed like the world was spinning at a million miles a minute for all i knew pgp keys were as disposable as btc addresses 1783055;1518158424;pete_dushenski;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OaneH/?raw=true << updated key here, trinque. or do you need it sent another way ? 1783056;1518158513;pete_dushenski;thx for helping out with this 1783057;1518158877;trinque;that works 1783058;1518159159;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uaMr1/?raw=true << still has an expiration. 1783059;1518160041;pete_dushenski;trinque: looking into it. not sure what i missed. 1783060;1518161052;pete_dushenski;trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/AQ0bW/?raw=true 1783061;1518173748;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo ct16g3r186dm specifically. it's not simply "ddr 3". it's actually 1866, these things matter. << Lists updated headed out the door in a few minutes http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/08/bbisp-shopping-and-shops-list-for-exploring/ 1783062;1518174048;shinohai;Suerte BingoBoingo ! 1783063;1518177201;mircea_popescu;phf http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nQBR2/?raw=true 1783064;1518188018;mod6;mornin' TMSR~ 1783065;1518188131;shinohai;Heya mod6 .... feelin' better? 1783066;1518189787;mod6;meh. I guess so. 1783067;1518189807;mod6;How 'bout you? 1783068;1518190217;shinohai;Feel much better today, still rather tired but that is easily addressed. 1783069;1518190313;mod6;I think I'm in the same boat. Better, but tired. 1783070;1518190623;lobbes;I've been waiting for this flu to finally get me. Charlotte is supposedly one of the 'most infected' cities atm, but I've lucked out thus far 1783071;1518190881;mod6;yeah, hide. 1783072;1518191950;BingoBoingo;I have found 1 (they may have two more in their warehouse but they aren sure of their condition, but did see one in the store mounted in a rack they had on display) 2U rackmount chassis. They want 246 USD for each 2U case, after the cash discount. They promised an itemized quote on the rest of the heavy shit shopping list later today. Firm is Technolyn S.A. (They are closed Monday and Tuesday next week for Carnival, hoping they can put 1783073;1518191950;BingoBoingo;shit together for a Wednesday morning pickup)) Returning to the businesses that weren't yet open this morning when I first passed them, and then the longer shots... and listening for more referrals. Just might be able to get the count up to 12 cases. 1783074;1518191978;BingoBoingo;But a substantial number of the stores are closed forever. 1783075;1518191995;BingoBoingo;Blog post coming after more visits. 1783076;1518192566;shinohai;http://archive.is/wGU2a <<< By now, I'm convinced Pieter Wuille wants to reduce the blockchain to "Yeah, you sent some shit or something" 1783077;1518192657;mod6;Pantsuit University 1783078;1518192752;TomServo;Relatedly, https://www.blockstream.com/2018/01/19/blockstream-bids-farewell-to-gregory-maxwell.html (won't archive) 1783079;1518192843;asciilifeform;shinohai: witness the inevitable dan boneh 1783080;1518192847;asciilifeform;!#s boneh 1783081;1518192847;a111;26 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh 1783082;1518192875;asciilifeform;^ usg's premier public pusher of elaborately-braindamaged pseudocrypto 1783083;1518193032;shinohai;Seems like a perfect partnership then. 1783084;1518193094;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1084135 <<< bwahahahaha! ok I do remember these lulz now. 1783085;1518193094;a111;Logged on 2015-04-02 14:58 asciilifeform: 'Boneh, in joint work with Matt Franklin, constructed a novel pairing-based method for identity-based encryption (IBE), whereby a user's public identity, such as an email address, can function as the user's public key. Since then, Boneh's contributions, together with those of others, have shown the power and versatility of pairings, which are now used as a mainstream tool in cryptography. The transfer of pairings from theory t 1783086;1518193143;shinohai;Since no one has ever spoofed an email address ever I guess. 1783087;1518193632;asciilifeform;shinohai: was funnier than that. idea there was that 'your' privkey is a homomorphic product of your email addr and hitler's magic pubkey. your public key is then function of your email addr and hitler's pub. you can decrypt ( and naturally hitler also decrypts ) but randos -- not 1783088;1518193664;asciilifeform;i.e. nonsense on several separate levels. 1783089;1518193706;asciilifeform;boneh is a 'serious' academic d00d who built whole career on astrology like this. 1783090;1518193750;asciilifeform;it so happens that i once ran into him in meatspace. looked for some symptom of 'knows what he is', found none, completely earnest, remorseless. 1783091;1518193879;asciilifeform;shinohai: as for the particular crackpottery in your link, see earlier instance http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621306 of ~same thing 1783092;1518193879;a111;Logged on 2017-03-02 21:10 asciilifeform: oooh hey hey hey lbj. i finally found out why prb folx like schnorr. 1783093;1518195724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, HE delivers in time. 1783094;1518195728;mircea_popescu;and by this, HE wins. you lose. 1783095;1518195733;mircea_popescu;now shush and go do things. 1783096;1518206382;pete_dushenski;trinque: i tried pgpdump -i on the first one i sent you and there was no expiration date. either way, the second crack is posted above and teh third crack is here : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AqyXy/?raw=true 1783097;1518206487;pete_dushenski;hopefully one of these loser pubkeys works, but if not i've made a new 4096 bit key to act as back-up/replacement. lemme know and thx again 1783098;1518206498;trinque;hm, maybe I read it with my late night eyeballs 1783099;1518206510;trinque;will give it a look in a bit 1783100;1518206523;pete_dushenski;cheers 1783101;1518206897;pete_dushenski;in other "fuck your human rights rhethoric", duterte threatens to can deal for $300mn of canadian helicopters if bitch ass trudeau and his butt buddies at amnesty international don't stick to business. not that canada will - it's happy to shoot itself in the foot, calf, knee, quad, hip, and up until it's bled out for its colonial sins. http://archive.is/oHOSj 1783102;1518206922;pete_dushenski;shameful 1783103;1518206932;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: you don't want a 4096 bit key; i can't find the relevant logs at the moment but koch-rsa does bad shit when generating keys > 2048 bits 1783104;1518207003;pete_dushenski;huh 1783105;1518207120;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wasn't enough to actually lose out 2048 bits ; besides, he's using teh fg i expect ? is he ? 1783106;1518207143;pete_dushenski;ofc 1783107;1518207178;ben_vulpes;hey, pete_dushenski how didja plug the fg into the koch-rsa keygenerator? 1783108;1518207179;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2016/werner-koch-lies/#selection-165.0-168.0 << "4096-bit Republican standard" 1783109;1518207396;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: fed fg to /dev/random then crossed my fingers and closed my eyes in hoping that gpg sourced entropy from there 1783110;1518207424;lobbes;pete_dushenski: I dunno if your situation is the same with your old 2014 key. But if you have any subkeys be sure to check them too >>  http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734399 1783111;1518207424;a111;Logged on 2017-11-08 21:13 lobbes: and yeah, I overlooked that I apparently had to also remove expiration on the sub -explicitly- (via gpg --edit-key). Even though it was showing the sub as 'expiration: none' after I had removed expiration on the pub way back when 1783112;1518207464;pete_dushenski;lobbes: after reading through the logs and seeing that you'd gone through exactly the same thing, i was mindful to remove exp from subs too :) 1783113;1518207476;lobbes;Aha! Word 1783114;1518208720;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-09#1783109 <<< For future reference, is one supposed to feed /dev/random or urandom ? 1783115;1518208720;a111;Logged on 2018-02-09 20:16 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: fed fg to /dev/random then crossed my fingers and closed my eyes in hoping that gpg sourced entropy from there 1783116;1518209750;mircea_popescu;ideally you want to kill the "csprng" altogether and simply feed the entropy pool. 1783117;1518209761;mircea_popescu;they both read from the same source. 1783118;1518209847;mircea_popescu;drivers/char/random.c is what needs changing. wipe the calls to "add_disk_randomness" and bullshit, replace with your fg feeder. 1783119;1518209899;shinohai;Thanks for clarification, I haven't gotten this deep down the rabbit hole with mine yet but looking forward. 1783120;1518209908;mircea_popescu;if your kernel is over (iirc 4.8 was it ?), you have to also nuke the csprng thing. 1783121;1518210038;BingoBoingo;I return. The short of the news is there is still only one "business" that had one 2U chassis, and they have yet to follow up with a quote for the rest of the shopping list. Blog post baking, with pictures from this cargo cult hell hole. 1783122;1518210278;mircea_popescu;lmao 1783123;1518210286;mircea_popescu;quite the metropolis you got on your hands there. 1783124;1518210520;mircea_popescu;but, for your own notes as well as for the strengthening of the public record, let me point out that the line "well mp... i have my doubts about the feasibility of the plan here ; casual inspection of the local orc bazaars pompously bestowing upon themselves the unearned monicker of 'computer hardware shops' resulted in a grand total of ONE identified rack, for instance." properly belonged in the ~very first week~ of your str 1783125;1518210520;mircea_popescu;eam of reports from there, and would have already been late in the 2nd week. 1783126;1518210849;BingoBoingo; eam of reports from there, and would have already been late in the 2nd week. << I came to realize the grave neglect in not doing this exercise upon arrival rather early in the day's exercise. 1783127;1518211010;BingoBoingo;And fuck me, everyone keeps telling me "Look on Mercado Libre, they have everything there" which is only true if by everything you mean except for civilized life. "Oh, here people just use the Dell/HP/Lenovo authorized distributors." 1783128;1518211193;BingoBoingo;"Don't flush toilet paper" is a warning I should have taken far more seriously. 1783129;1518212094;BingoBoingo;It turns out cleaner tapwater and better food than old country does not on its own constitute civilization. 1783130;1518213219;shinohai;THE HONEYMOON IS OVER 1783131;1518213557;mircea_popescu;the very definition of an orc, this. one who can subsist on pantsuit diet, one who is satisfied with facebook for his culture and with dellenovo for his hardware and with the http://trilema.com/2018/best-of-fetlife-such-as-it-is/ girlies for his amorous needs and so on. that's what an orc is, what the fuck else would it be. 1783132;1518214984;BingoBoingo;As I put this post togther the one redeeming though that keeps floating to the top of my mind is that this place is small enough that if The Republic is going to start subjugating, this is a rather small and defenseless sandbox to practice on. 1783133;1518215079;shinohai;Do the locals have bronze-tipped spears at least? 1783134;1518217709;pete_dushenski;lulzy trump anecdote of the day comes to us from his personal porn star stormy daniels : "She describes walking into his suite at the Beverly Hills Hotel, for instance. “You could see the television from the little dining room table and he was watching Shark Week,” she recalled. “And he was watching a special about the U.S.S. something and it sank and it was like the worst shark attack in history. He 1783135;1518217711;pete_dushenski;is obsessed with sharks. Terrified of sharks. He was like, ‘I donate to all these charities and I would never donate to a charity that helps sharks. I hope all the sharks die.’ He was like riveted. He was like obsessed. It was so strange, I know.”" 1783136;1518217826;*;pete_dushenski imagines us prez shooting shoulder-mounted rocket-laucher from helicopter into shark-infested waters below. so kaiserlich und koniglich! 1783137;1518224313;mircea_popescu;the chin on that woman. 1783138;1518224980;BingoBoingo;Almost done putting the report on the day together. 1783139;1518228235;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/ << Bingo Blog - A Long Descent Into The Cargo Cult 1783140;1518228313;BingoBoingo;The rest of the graffiti pics and other sights incidently captured along the way will be posted later. 1783141;1518228366;BingoBoingo; Do the locals have bronze-tipped spears at least? << No, but they have a statue of the fellow who genocided their natives in front of Tres Cruces Shopping/Bus Terminal. 1783142;1518228466;shinohai;The one of Fructuoso Rivera on a horse? 1783143;1518228490;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Fructos did it. 1783144;1518228541;shinohai;Shoulda laid off that high Fructos syrup, hue 1783145;1518230268;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/moonstruck/ << Trilema - Moonstruck 1783146;1518248300;trinque;this porn whore that decides she'll have 15min of upboats recounting some mundane tryst she had with a mediocre man. 1783147;1518248310;*;trinque allocates his outrage as best he can, comes up short 1783148;1518248660;mircea_popescu;i'm confused as whether this is the groped staffer to the anti-groping campaigner or the chin-plower sex service dollie to the tan-haired first american or which 1783149;1518248897;*;trinque does not know how the power dynamics play out among whore that ascends, and thus cannot reckon what her hindbrain tells her she didn't get. 1783150;1518248948;trinque;she must be the walmart version of that as he is the turd-stain on the whitey-tighties of his 1783151;1518249455;mircea_popescu;no but i mean, was this re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-09#1783134 or http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-09#1783033 or some third item ? 1783152;1518249455;a111;Logged on 2018-02-09 23:08 pete_dushenski: lulzy trump anecdote of the day comes to us from his personal porn star stormy daniels : "She describes walking into his suite at the Beverly Hills Hotel, for instance. “You could see the television from the little dining room table and he was watching Shark Week,” she recalled. “And he was watching a special about the U.S.S. something and it sank and it was like the worst shark attack in history. He 1783153;1518249455;a111;Logged on 2018-02-09 02:10 shinohai: Bwahahahaha "California Assemblywoman Who Championed #MeToo Movement Accused of Groping Former Staffer" 1783154;1518274082;mircea_popescu;sooo BingoBoingo there's two fundamental problems you got there. one of them is that you have significant bills hitting in a few weeks that you've made no provision for paying. the other's that you lack basic physical building blocks, a lack you've made no provision for even discovering in time. 1783155;1518274086;mircea_popescu;i did try throughout, up to and including yesterday, to somehow compensate for the various issues, but eventually the time comes for the observation that the situation you created for yourself there is not actually tenable. spend your remaining cash on your plane ticket out, we're putting an end here to this well meaning but ultimately ineffectual effort. 1783156;1518274141;mircea_popescu;phf feel free to not use the plane tickets you bought, if that's more convenient. 1783157;1518274693;mircea_popescu;more generally : i do not perceive any sort of future for the republic without an isp. 1783158;1518274712;mircea_popescu;i know there's this generalized habit to believe one's "in charge" of "himself" and may permit or not permit reality into his autism bubble as he sees fit and with no further consequences than whatever he may deign to allow, such magic powers being the absolute minimum bar for a special person quite as superbly special as those bred of postmodernity. 1783159;1518274722;mircea_popescu;i can follow with that in mind the overpoweringly loud "so what if mp said however long ago and it saying it again, my life is my own to make!!!!" disclaimer going silently with every such statement. 1783160;1518274729;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, reality can only be elided at significant personal sacrifice and over short intervals. so, to repeat it : there is no future for the republic without an isp. 1783161;1518275242;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Understood. The closest thing to rescuing the situation here is appearing to be take on substantially more debt from mircea_popescu while working with the local mud, and insufficient assurance the mud can be made baked into bricks. I am willing to take on the debt, but I am now grossly aware I was unprepared intellectually and otherwise. I also see no reason for mircea_popescu to bleed cash feeding Uruguayos when the 1783162;1518275243;BingoBoingo;Brasileros already do that. 1783163;1518275401;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1783164;1518275410;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8484.12, vol: 16001.16229767 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8442.9, vol: 60890.06794642 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8520.9, vol: 10431.0836932 | Volume-weighted last average: 8459.77074439 1783165;1518275524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: might you consider selling ? 1783166;1518275607;mircea_popescu;selling what ? 1783167;1518275649;asciilifeform;the carcass. supposing BingoBoingo would go along. i.e. rights to the rack, operation, etc . 1783168;1518275663;mircea_popescu;selling to whom ? 1783169;1518275680;asciilifeform;asciilifeform would bid, if price is right 1783170;1518275684;asciilifeform;possibly others 1783171;1518275769;mircea_popescu;i would certainly consider selling ; now take the next hour and consider the matter THOROUGHLY, before you come back to promise me that you're actually acting rationally, rather than psychotically trying to further a dream on the flimsy fuel of injured self-image. 1783172;1518275772;asciilifeform;make, say, auction ( perhaps for l1 people only ) 1783173;1518275809;mircea_popescu;i'll be here an hour later. so will be here the fact the latter approach is well known and THOROUGHLY documented to cause shocking failure in otherwise well meaning, intelligent and respectable kids. that's ~the whole history of early bitcoin. 1783174;1518275813;asciilifeform;i didnt say 'i'll buy right now, muhaha' did i 1783175;1518275823;asciilifeform;make auction, like for bbet say 1783176;1518275825;mircea_popescu;well carcasses have to be bought on the spot, they rot. 1783177;1518275853;mircea_popescu;otherwise what the hell are you buying, "the rights" ? come feb 25th or so the item is worth ~0. 1783178;1518275888;asciilifeform;iirc idea was , when originally proposed by mircea_popescu , for it to be +ev in ~year 1783179;1518275897;asciilifeform;when stack fills 1783180;1518275911;mircea_popescu;yes, but that was an idea, and the idea lives equally well everywhere. you don't have to implement it on this particular stump in preference of any other. 1783181;1518275938;asciilifeform;well this stump comes with an emplaced pair of l1 hands 1783182;1518275953;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That isn't anything to sell. You would be financing BingoBoingo's increasingly uncertain adventure. Or coming down here personally meeting BingoBoingo and seeing if Latecho will transfer the contract to you before the end of February. 1783183;1518275966;mircea_popescu;sure it does, but BingoBoingo isn't my chattel-held slavegirl, he's a free agent, what. 1783184;1518275974;asciilifeform;right, must see what he says 1783185;1518275984;asciilifeform;otherwise empty balloon, not isp 1783186;1518275993;mircea_popescu;you certainly don't have to buy him from me in any case o.O 1783187;1518276025;asciilifeform;well let's first see 1) is there sale 2) does BingoBoingo include himself , then 3) is there buy 1783188;1518276118;mircea_popescu;yes yes. do what i told you, i don't say these things out of boredom. then we'll see. 1783189;1518276177;asciilifeform;i'ma back tomorrow; still in the process of last iteration of 'do what mircea_popescu told' 1783190;1518276187;mircea_popescu;works. 1783191;1518276201;*;asciilifeform bbl, extended meat 1783192;1518276732;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am not opposed to taking alfdebt in favor of mircea_popescu debt minding that the mircea_popescu debt comes first unless alf makes other arrangements with mircea_popescu. And also that a substantial part of the +EV involves BingoBoingo does things alf will find very disgusting to a few boxes in order to sell shared hosting. Think of how alf directed venture with PCengines 8 to the 1U as opposed to VPS for small 1783193;1518276732;BingoBoingo;instances would work. 1783194;1518277356;BingoBoingo;As fucking disappointing as the locals are, I still prefer being off the reservation. If asciilifeform can promise the fuel to continue Hostel + Desk + $20 daily per diem to not starve... BingoBoingo is going to take time and think himself... After blogging the other pics from the yesterday walk. 1783195;1518277593;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so go sleep, there's little you can do this saturday anyway. we see tomorro. 1783196;1518277667;BingoBoingo;Alright. 1783197;1518278061;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/10/the-photos-from-places-between-the-places/ << Bingo Blog - The Photos From Places Between The Places 1783198;1518286325;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783178 << for the sake of it being said, nominally all difficulties are naught moar than more proffit opportunities. if you get organized to import all the shit the dc MUST have but did not in fact have, you have yet another revenue stream ready. pay $150 per chassis in saneland, plus $30 or so in shipping, sell them the dozen for 3300 (+ "iva") -- which hey, is a GREAT fucking deal seeing h 1783199;1518286325;a111;Logged on 2018-02-10 15:18 asciilifeform: iirc idea was , when originally proposed by mircea_popescu , for it to be +ev in ~year 1783200;1518286325;mircea_popescu;ow it's half what they thought it costs, neh, not to mention nobody else has it. free monopoly granted you through stupidity. 1783201;1518286357;mircea_popescu;then in 20 years important worms can hurr durr about how you "stole" your fortune (from the "less advantaged" who "had fewer oppportunities") because, ohohohobiously, "all capital is theft". 1783202;1518286396;mircea_popescu;(saneland here technically is taiwan or somesuch, i expect, but anyway) 1783203;1518291236;BingoBoingo;That is the only long game I had been seeing which might justify continuing the adventure. Especially considering THIS is the local webhosting competition https://www.netuy.net/hosting.linux.uruguay.php?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlpvT_4qc2QIVkYKRCh0msAP1EAAYASAAEgKVU_D_BwE 1783204;1518291416;ave1;If you start with desktop boards, can't you also start with desktop cases? (airflow will suck etc., but you will be up and running) 1783205;1518291553;BingoBoingo;At any sort of density, even with 125 Watt processors that is a lot of hardware to risk (in terms of RAM and heat sensitive SSDs) 1783206;1518291608;BingoBoingo;Anyways, going to go to see the local blackface Carnival parade tonight. Hopefully I get better at the night time photography thing. 1783207;1518294356;phf;asciilifeform: https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.02700 1783208;1518295927;pete_dushenski;trinque: any luck with the non-expiring pubkeys ? 1783209;1518296287;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/mvMwo << day old news : ruskie scientists use nuclear facility supercomputers for bitcoin mining 1783210;1518296430;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/x9LpT << anglo spin. obv references to stalin because have to put all evils in one soup. sloshy slosh! 1783211;1518296458;shinohai;pete_dushenski: At least goes to show smarter than the Harvard idjuts mining Doge that time. 1783212;1518296818;pete_dushenski;but harvard has all the presteej donchaknow 1783213;1518299305;phf;diana_coman: output from powerpc g4, openbsd, identical to what x86 machine produces http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nLkau/?raw=true 1783214;1518299367;phf;and here's a simple hack to verify that the machine is in fact BE, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/W0EhS/?raw=true 1783215;1518299368;diana_coman;thank you, phf ! 1783216;1518299462;phf;i can probably put that machine on ssh, but it's been sitting in a closet and wildly spinning the fans, so i wonder if there's something i need to tweak in openbsd to keep it from doing that.. 1783217;1518300094;trinque;phf: openbsd version? better fan control got merged in recent versions. 1783218;1518300128;phf;6.2 1783219;1518300141;trinque;hm, dunno then. 1783220;1518300188;trinque;pete_dushenski: lemme see here 1783221;1518300191;phf;it was pretty quite until i started installing gnat, but then it kept on spinning. i'm not going to investigate right now 1783222;1518303953;trinque;pete_dushenski: all set, must've been tired eyeballs indeed. 1783223;1518311400;mircea_popescu;whoa, so it turns out that besides http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary there actually existed all along a http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-and-improved-republican-glossaurus/ ! 1783224;1518311408;mircea_popescu;ima have to merge these now. why's nobody said anything ;/ 1783225;1518311413;*;mircea_popescu feels kinda ridoinculous. 1783226;1518312398;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world/ << Trilema - Scott Pilgrim vs the World 1783227;1518355913;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783155 << After a night of meditation, sleeping, and taking in the local culture at the Desfile de Las Llamadas, "well meaning but ultimately ineffectual" is probably my best possible exit from this situation. 1783228;1518355913;a111;Logged on 2018-02-10 14:48 mircea_popescu: i did try throughout, up to and including yesterday, to somehow compensate for the various issues, but eventually the time comes for the observation that the situation you created for yourself there is not actually tenable. spend your remaining cash on your plane ticket out, we're putting an end here to this well meaning but ultimately ineffectual effort. 1783229;1518355913;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783157 << On this point, taking a lot more explicit direction... perhaps from an alf pete_dushenski partnership, where my role becomes more hired hand than self directed center of the brand. I mention pete_dushenski because of his lack of toxic US passport and apparent management experience. I have my doubts alf alone is sufficient to right this ship, but if pete_dushenki wants try saving the republic 1783230;1518355913;a111;Logged on 2018-02-10 14:58 mircea_popescu: more generally : i do not perceive any sort of future for the republic without an isp. 1783231;1518355914;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu is appears to be increasingly tired of propping up on his own. 1783232;1518355916;BingoBoingo;And any potential saviors looking for a vanity project ought to mind that likely the best thing for my health and reputation is going to be returning to familiar AA meetings and the humble, anonymous life working in a hardware store. 1783233;1518355920;BingoBoingo;And further mind a brief investigation of the local labor market yielded: http://archive.is/Hp01G#selection-3125.0-3125.286 "Una buena empresa donde trabajar si uno quiere desarrollarse, ya que siempre hay nuevas oportunidades. Se aprende una forma de trabajo completamente diferente a la que uno está acostumbrado en Uruguay. La gente que tiene uno a su lado es en el 99 % increíble. Es lo que mas se destaca." 1783234;1518355925;BingoBoingo;So, if anyone wants to take on an expensive, high risk corpse of a venture at almost certain substantial loss in BTC value... I'll be here at least a few days, probably a week, maybe even the end of the month before heading back to the land of petrocheese. 1783235;1518356369;BingoBoingo;So if anyone really wants my monkeyland mess, there is some time to think about it. 1783236;1518357190;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's not that expensive, simmer down. 1783237;1518357311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so he has like 20 bitcents in cash, plus whatever's left of the start of month 2k fiats + about 6k of credit with providers (pro-rata for what's left of two months). 1783238;1518357329;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1783239;1518357337;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8270.0, vol: 14372.29401855 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8267.5, vol: 65591.17821759 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8275.9, vol: 10439.5034439 | Volume-weighted last average: 8268.86746123 1783240;1518357358;mircea_popescu;!~calc .2 + (2 + 6/2) / 8.268 1783241;1518357360;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: .2 + (2 + 6/2) / 8.268 = 0.8047411707789065 1783242;1518357408;mircea_popescu;the economic value of the item as it stands would be about .80 ; i'd take that in cash today. 1783243;1518357441;mircea_popescu;alternatively, i have no problem taking say 1.5 worth of absolutely senior convertible equity in your continuant venture, however you call it. 1783244;1518357463;mircea_popescu;either of these under the firm condition that if at a later point bb has to fly out, it won't come to me. 1783245;1518357518;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine there's other bids ; but if there are feel free to put a time limit on your bid and we see. i certainly see no problem with the matter being disposed by nightfall. 1783246;1518357540;mircea_popescu;now that out of the way, let's handle bb. 1783247;1518357629;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what your lack of experience isn't informing you is that you have a very significant advantage. your ~7k per annum cost compares very VERY favorable to what empire pays to hire a walmart drone (25k or so base + 20k or so in overload). the walmart drone costs 6x what you do, and i daresay they do not do 1/6th of what you do. just because you came out short of lordship in the field does not now mean the baseline of 1783248;1518357629;mircea_popescu;the world is anywhere near. let's keep things in perspective, depressed or not. 1783249;1518357699;mircea_popescu;the exact same holds re your overhead there. you have an office and so on that costs 1/10 or less of what it'd cost had a fiatola scampany carried it on its own books ; and the matter continues -- if we get a semi fulla 2u chassis in, we will have a pile chassis worth 2x what we paid for them due to the barriers the ineptitude of orcs place in our favour. 1783250;1518357875;mircea_popescu;i dunno if as a kid you ever did those things where "oh, if i had time machine, what'd i carry into past to be rich" a la http://trilema.com/2012/the-seven-pillars/ say, but this is just about exactly that. space is time, you know. 1783251;1518357952;mircea_popescu;the reason i'm cutting you out is because we have very poor fit, i'm a "provide general guidance and hangings" sort of manager and you evidently need a mommy, to check whether you packed your lunch and to ask if you need to pee every so often. should you find one you can certainly thrive, but you've not found her in me is all. 1783252;1518358450;BingoBoingo;That management need matches with the learnings of the past week, which... I retrospect I can see in my entire time here. 1783253;1518359006;BingoBoingo;It is why I am inclined for alf to solicit pete_dushenski or another more experienced manager as either a consultant or partner if he is interested in taking over. 1783254;1518359032;mircea_popescu;not really your pay grade neh ? 1783255;1518359091;BingoBoingo;I have a lot to learn before trusting myself much with the self direction is what this past week has been beating into me. 1783256;1518359107;mircea_popescu;so then let your boss worry about his worries. 1783257;1518359115;BingoBoingo;Alright 1783258;1518359137;mircea_popescu;capitalism is nothing if not the piecemeal management of worry into manageable pieces. 1783259;1518360747;BingoBoingo;I'll get some lunch while I wait to see what the aspiring next worry allocator's bid is to get me to stay in Montevideo. 1783260;1518361160;mircea_popescu;word 1783261;1518362452;diana_coman;on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782802 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782813 <- the more I think about this the more it seems to me that there is no point for bit-level extraction from state either; basically if bit notion doesn't make sense then why have it at extraction anyway; I think the choices would be 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2; as to the bit order for the output at the end of the day that is a convention too so it needs only to 1783262;1518362452;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 17:01 mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems to me on the first pass the winning combo is 1.1 / 2.1 / 3.1 ; the phf objection to bit meaning precludes anything else it seems to me ; with the exception that won't bit-extraction (3.1) be particularly slow ? 1783263;1518362452;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 17:47 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, if input+output are considered at octet level, there is a case to say that reading out of the state is also done at octet level; I'll mull this over a bit longer re speed as such (for the word-level implementation because the bit-level is just as slow either way) 1783264;1518362452;diana_coman; be chosen and fixed once and for all 1783265;1518362584;diana_coman;going with 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2 also takes out entirely from keccak the bit-to-value and value-to-bit conversions ; input is a stream of octets, output is a stream of octets and keccak itself works at word level anyway 1783266;1518362612;mircea_popescu;i kinda liked the fiction that we have a bit-level something. 1783267;1518362680;diana_coman;well, the bit-level implementation can and will remain 1783268;1518362691;diana_coman;but obviously, matching the set of choices that we fix 1783269;1518362712;diana_coman;what I don't really see the point for is the mixing bit + octet basically 1783270;1518362717;diana_coman;as that's the trouble in the first place 1783271;1518362728;diana_coman;so when it's bits it's bits only, when it's octets there's no bits 1783272;1518362741;mircea_popescu;this makes sense. 1783273;1518362763;diana_coman;obv, there should also be in principle a speed-up because of cutting off the "now word-> bits" part but that's sort of bonus the way I see it 1783274;1518362872;mircea_popescu;aha 1783275;1518365627;shinohai;http://archive.is/Q03e8 <<< "Let's ban porn" lmao 1783276;1518365995;mircea_popescu;in other news, "Dead maze" is a kickass browser game. 1783277;1518366519;mircea_popescu;very fallout flavour to it. 1783278;1518366853;*;asciilifeform is not asleep, but in fact still calculating whether he has enuff fuel to take, theoretically, BingoBoingo's rocket to orbit, or only to make larger crater on the ground 1783279;1518369079;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/11/candome-a-venture-into-afrouruguayan-culture/ << Bingo Blog - Candome: A Venture Into AfroUruguayan Culture 1783280;1518380987;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2018/02/11/trade-warz/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Trade warz. 1783281;1518382441;mircea_popescu;aaand in other lulz, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tDP2X/?raw=true 1783282;1518382457;mircea_popescu;upon reflection, it does seem canadians have rather more issues than is average for esltards. 1783283;1518382609;shinohai;top kek 1783284;1518382624;BingoBoingo;WTF, She opened with... A negotiation on term! 1783285;1518382627;BingoBoingo;s 1783286;1518382671;shinohai;The best part is it took her 2 whole weeks to formulate a reply 1783287;1518382742;mircea_popescu;eh, took my foot. this is the stock in trade of the pantsuit rhetorics, "i am crying" "it took me X" etc. 1783288;1518382754;mircea_popescu;they figure it lends weight to their otherwise weightless speech. 1783289;1518393643;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783278 << There are no problems waiting through tomorrow. Probably until Wednesday even since the city is shut down for Carnaval. 1783290;1518393643;a111;Logged on 2018-02-11 16:34 asciilifeform is not asleep, but in fact still calculating whether he has enuff fuel to take, theoretically, BingoBoingo's rocket to orbit, or only to make larger crater on the ground 1783291;1518393830;BingoBoingo;If I am headed out of here I would at least like the chance to more overtly spread machismo and racismo on the way out. 1783292;1518395951;ben_vulpes;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#comment-114684 lol wtf 1783293;1518396978;ben_vulpes;https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-bodies-export/ bioreactors initiating boot sequence 1783294;1518397011;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVwsElmWkAEjBM4.jpg <<< uscourts.gov mining monero lmao 1783295;1518397130;ben_vulpes;wowowow shinohai 1783296;1518397165;shinohai;Apparently, half the uk gov websites too: https://twitter.com/Scott_Helme/status/962684239975272450 1783297;1518399214;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2018/02/blinks-abroad/ << The Whet - Blinks abroad 1783298;1518403394;hanbot; why did the anarchist bookstore go out of business? wh 1783299;1518403422;mircea_popescu;lol. good one. 1783300;1518405922;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/bascule/status/962740918053888000 1783301;1518444545;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/unilever-perpares-to-stop-feeding-facebook-and-google/ << Qntra - Unilever Prepares To Stop Feeding Facebook And Google 1783302;1518444801;shinohai;But mah vegemite 1783303;1518446898;mod6;mornin' 1783304;1518446933;mircea_popescu;heya. 1783305;1518447017;shinohai;morning mircea_popescu, mod6 1783306;1518447033;mod6;:] 1783307;1518450031;mircea_popescu;sooo i just spent 12 minutes writing and 28 minutes hunting for an article ;/ 1783308;1518450272;mod6;you were looking for a trilema article? 1783309;1518450361;*;asciilifeform back from the calculation mines, and regrets to inform that he does not have the juice with which to power a year of BingoBoingotron , and will not be submitting bid, unless someone l1 ( phf? ) were to want to co-own. 1783310;1518450544;mod6;Any thoughts on what this 1 year cost would be? 1783311;1518450551;mircea_popescu;mod6 sadly, yes. 1783312;1518450551;asciilifeform;mod6: i was about to expand 1783313;1518450589;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform explaining the thought process in detail will prolly be useful. 1783314;1518450597;asciilifeform;right: 1783315;1518450675;asciilifeform;going from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/02/the-boingo-isp-tbi-november-2017-statement/ and http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ : 1783316;1518450731;asciilifeform;grr there's a missing param, 1783317;1518450760;asciilifeform;i'ma substitute in 350 for the hostel cost, iirc it was close to this 1783318;1518450761;asciilifeform;so: 1783319;1518450785;mircea_popescu;lol, the man that hates writing articles on his blog. 1783320;1518450793;mircea_popescu;what the fuck mess of reference will this be in the future ? 1783321;1518450844;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo himself costs 311(desk) + 350(hostel) + 600(food) per mo; his rack : 2834.06 ; total ~4096 (nice an' round!11) to stay above waterline ( all units above in heathenbux ) 1783322;1518450957;asciilifeform;now the cost of filling 12 rack slots with as much cpu horse as they can hold, (using asciilifeform's method, rather than mircea_popescu's, if not clear from context) would be such : 32 cores of opteron @ 3GHz, 256GB ram, 1TB durable ssd, comes to 1600 per 1U machine; no more than 4 machines can travel in a cargo carried by a 1300 two-way ticket 1783323;1518450989;mircea_popescu;sure they can. you can have the whole thing shipped there in one go. 1783324;1518450995;asciilifeform;then will get taxed neh 1783325;1518450998;mircea_popescu;you just have to plan for it. 1783326;1518451049;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1783327;1518451049;mircea_popescu;but if you notice memory is 60% of the price and ~nobody knows wtf is going on... you get taxed on a third at most. 1783328;1518451049;mircea_popescu;then again, this does require competent rather than bumbling courriering, so i suppose ima let it rest. 1783329;1518451062;asciilifeform;let's suppose for gedankenexperiment that i could borrow mircea_popescu's nazi submarine and ship'em in duty-free. that still leaves 12*1600 == 19200 heathenbuxxorz for basic vps ( rented, presumably , to heathens, who will somehow agree to part with coin? but this is separate thread..) 1783330;1518451092;mircea_popescu;well, i was going to take five for myself ; and was willing to even pay for them. 1783331;1518451112;mircea_popescu;and yes i pay in coin, if that wasn't by nao obvious >:) 1783332;1518451114;asciilifeform;right, mircea_popescu even already commissioned 3, they are right here 1783333;1518451117;asciilifeform;and paid 100% 1783334;1518451118;asciilifeform;a+++ 1783335;1518451170;asciilifeform;12 incidentally is arbitrary number, they could just as readily be installed 'on-demand', N machines at a time (where N is determined by the type of transportation used) 1783336;1518451230;asciilifeform;so upstack : to keep the system floating, the client base would ( at current heathenbux rate ) have to supply no less than half a btc per mo of revenue 1783337;1518451286;asciilifeform;( to power the system with said btc, at the very minimum BingoBoingo will need bank acct , but this is possibly yet another subthread ) 1783338;1518451308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo , et al : have i missed anything obvious here ? 1783339;1518451386;mircea_popescu;i think your numbers are within a x2 / x.5 ballpark, which is about where it's been for a while. proceed. 1783340;1518451398;asciilifeform;briefly upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783327 : it matters 'a third' ~of what~ . if it's of the 15k list price of the box when it was new ( asciilifeform would be using the type of machines previously prepared for mircea_popescu , they are THE most economical in re bux:horsepower ) then it comes to quite a sum 1783341;1518451398;a111;Logged on 2018-02-12 15:57 mircea_popescu: but if you notice memory is 60% of the price and ~nobody knows wtf is going on... you get taxed on a third at most. 1783342;1518451434;asciilifeform;i do not know how the south amer monkeys do their taxation, if it's anything like how the british taxed FUCKGOATS... 1783343;1518451514;asciilifeform;not being able to nail down that param makes all of my engineering whiskers stand on end 1783344;1518451528;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude, you're talking around the point. the scam is simple enough : here mr taxman, is a box, of chassis motherboard cpu. 1783345;1518451532;asciilifeform;because it's potentially a 4, or even 5-fold markup 1783346;1518451537;mircea_popescu;22% of $400 here yo ugo. 1783347;1518451579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: of the 400 that it costs among sane people, or the 6000 that it costs in monkeylandia, is the (potential) problem 1783348;1518451588;asciilifeform;fwiw i do not know the answer, and therefore assume the worst 1783349;1518451589;mircea_popescu;no, you have paperwork. 1783350;1518451603;mircea_popescu;"here are the numbers written down". that's how this goes. 1783351;1518451625;asciilifeform;let's suppose this works. ( already supposed in the 'submarine' example.) 1783352;1518451668;asciilifeform;simply noting that if this supposition is mistaken, it is a quite expensive 'surprise', would easily dwarf the cost of everything else summed. 1783353;1518451685;asciilifeform;esp if the border monkeys decide to help themselves to some iron. 1783354;1518451725;mircea_popescu;yes, if one day the gauls invade you will discover business is not something that can be done. 1783355;1518451739;asciilifeform;this also. 1783356;1518451740;mircea_popescu;this is similarily true of your current situation, or any other. also, meteorites. 1783357;1518451751;asciilifeform;well this is moar flood than meteorite, but yes. 1783358;1518451783;asciilifeform;( we already have FG customers on the record as having paid similar amt for border taxes as for device itself ) 1783359;1518452662;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo , et al : have i missed anything obvious here ? << The deal with mircea_popescu was mircea_popescu bankrolls BingoBoingo builds isp for BingoBoingo with mircea_popescu as honored investor. For asciilifeform or whoever else may take an interest in taking over, the deal that interests me is BingoBoingo remains in Montevideo to help asciilifeform/alfteam/etc build themselves an isp taking clear 1783360;1518452662;BingoBoingo;instructions. BingoBoingo is offered some sort of incentive structure to remain in Montevideo for more time as hired hand rather than equity figure. On the plus side for alf, if he brings his own foreign corp with bank he has vehicle for making payments. 1783361;1518452768;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i can pay the rack vendor already. the issue is your own food. 1783362;1518452809;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you would have to come up with a method ( i don't particularly care what kind ) for converting the coinz to food. 1783363;1518452823;asciilifeform;as i understand this is not yet a solved problem. 1783364;1518452944;mircea_popescu;so would it be fair to say that 24 hours of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783278 produced absolutely nothing useful, and you find yourself for the "calculation" at the exact same position you'd have been without it ? 1783365;1518452944;a111;Logged on 2018-02-11 16:34 asciilifeform is not asleep, but in fact still calculating whether he has enuff fuel to take, theoretically, BingoBoingo's rocket to orbit, or only to make larger crater on the ground 1783366;1518452965;*;mircea_popescu has long suspected meditation is not nearly as useful as practitioners credit it to be. like is the case with all arts. 1783367;1518452972;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'useful' output is 'i dun have this money' 1783368;1518452975;asciilifeform;what did you expect it to be ? 1783369;1518452984;mircea_popescu;an actual rational process ? 1783370;1518452997;mircea_popescu;your output is not "i don';t have the money", read above. 1783371;1518453015;asciilifeform;if 'what's x, and what's y, and turns out x > y' is not a rational process, than apparently i do not know what is. 1783372;1518453022;mircea_popescu;we agree! 1783373;1518453354;mircea_popescu;that was a fabulous bit of JIT channeling btw! i'm finally fucking done with this monster article. 1783374;1518453486;asciilifeform;the other item -- and asciilifeform scours the logs, and finds nuffin -- is whether BingoBoingo ( or anybody tuned in ) at any point had any concrete idea of to whom (other than l1) to market the vps product, and how. 1783375;1518453516;mircea_popescu;wasn't really considered, no. 1783376;1518453522;mircea_popescu;and besides, there's not even software to do it with. 1783377;1518453528;asciilifeform;i for instance do not buy vps. and so not in a position to say who does, or how to persuade'em to part with precious coinz. 1783378;1518453528;mircea_popescu;unless, of course, you download cpanel :D 1783379;1518453540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'd have to be xen 1783380;1518453548;asciilifeform;afaik nothing else is known to reliably work. 1783381;1518453564;mircea_popescu;whatever it'd be, i can promise you a) it does not work out of the box and b) you will want >25 years to fix it. 1783382;1518453603;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i've deployed it in past life. 1783383;1518453652;mircea_popescu;i'm just making an educated guess. 1783384;1518453680;mircea_popescu;that's the skill involved here : reality consists of endless matrices, that for any practical purpose have to be heuristically collapsed, as they can't actually be calculated. 1783385;1518453690;asciilifeform;entirely troo. 1783386;1518453704;mircea_popescu;which is why the deductive-rational process is actually irrational. 1783387;1518453712;asciilifeform;but contrary to mircea_popescu's intuitions, the cpu slicing is not the hardest puzzle piece. 1783388;1518453724;mircea_popescu;ram isolation is the ~only concern. of couse. 1783389;1518453763;mircea_popescu;"if mp built his back-to-back toilet, how could you ~using software only, mind!~ ensure the piss of his slavegirls doesn't mix ?" 1783390;1518453772;asciilifeform;well, one way : 1783391;1518453787;asciilifeform;let's also mention for completeness the cost-competitive alternative to vps : the use of miniature machines ( e.g. apu1 ) . but this involves manual shuffling on the part of hands ( BingoBoingo ) for every new customer. 1783392;1518453799;asciilifeform;the upside is memory isolation. 1783393;1518453801;mircea_popescu;why ? you could just have them live all the time. 1783394;1518453815;mircea_popescu;the problemis not that -- the problem is he got less ips for a whole rack than i have for single machines. 1783395;1518453817;asciilifeform;this is true: could, and could even have'em netboot 1783396;1518453834;asciilifeform;i built (with several other people) a system like this, in past life, it was used for crapware analysis 1783397;1518453862;asciilifeform;rack full of dick^H^Hskless blades, booted via lan for every shot. 1783398;1518453877;mircea_popescu;yes, i agree it is a very sad reality that everyone seems to be playing catch-up with the absolute minimum bar of "marginally retarded" rather than creating novel and interesting things. 1783399;1518453893;mircea_popescu;but this is a self-inflicted misery. do not take the republic seriously, get what you get for it. 1783400;1518453905;mircea_popescu;the all-corruptor cares little for one's declared allegiances. 1783401;1518453941;asciilifeform;iirc there was a (lizard-declared) 'ipv4 shortage' that supposedly accounted for what-mp-got vs what-BB-got 1783402;1518453948;mircea_popescu;i suppose. 1783403;1518453964;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Have you looked at the LACNIC IP allotment application and requirements yet? 1783404;1518454022;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i did, and walked away moar puzzled than before. for instance, why is it impossible to buy ips secondhand ? ( is it ? ) 1783405;1518454035;asciilifeform;why do you have to deal with the idiots. 1783406;1518454048;mircea_popescu;soh. 1783407;1518454051;mircea_popescu;doh*. 1783408;1518454059;asciilifeform;found also https://www.nro.net/lacnic-enters-ipv4-exhaustion-phase 1783409;1518454066;asciilifeform;'On 10 June 2014, LACNIC announced that it had reached one /10 block of remaining addresses and IPv4 can now be considered exhausted in its service region. LACNIC will continue to distribute IPv4 addresses, but at a greatly reduced rate according to policies developed by the LACNIC community.' 1783410;1518454068;*;mircea_popescu never applied to "authorities", nor would. because why the fuck. 1783411;1518454128;asciilifeform;seems like fish is what they dun have over at this-here fish counter. 1783412;1518454165;mircea_popescu;anyway, that said there's nothing wrong with applying for some, as a political choice. 1783413;1518454183;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER, the result of that isn't taken as "this is reality". the result of that is judged and its shortcomings fixed. 1783414;1518454184;asciilifeform;!#s from:BingoBoingo LACNIC 1783415;1518454184;a111;14 results for "from:BingoBoingo LACNIC", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3ABingoBoingo%20LACNIC 1783416;1518454232;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you can add that to the list, by the way. a tendency to take what you hear as "what is" dun work irl! you know what i mean ? just cuz some chick said it from behind a desk dun make it worth two shits. 1783417;1518454278;BingoBoingo;I will add it to the list of shortcomings. 1783418;1518454356;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-negotiations-of-terms/ << Trilema - The negotiations of terms 1783419;1518454917;*;mircea_popescu realises this is possibly the worst bait and switch ever. but i swear, unintentional! 1783420;1518456032;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in today's late breakfast suggestions, leberwurst geraucht with green olives on homemade bread, and a sizable helping oh holsteiner fasskraut on the side. 1783421;1518456039;mircea_popescu;PREUSSENS GLORIA!1!! 1783422;1518456391;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/12/the-story-of-a-storefront/ << Bingo Blog - The Story Of A Storefront 1783423;1518462556;mircea_popescu;well, since btcvixen is sticking around, let's gift it http://trilema.com/2015/what-the-actual-threat-of-the-medicalisation-of-individuality-looks-like/ for great justice. 1783424;1518463271;ben_vulpes;something is seriously awry in that head. 1783425;1518463558;mircea_popescu;just the usual delusions of immortality. 1783426;1518463621;mircea_popescu;got all the time in the world, consequently the capital cost of wasted time is 0, consequently it is "worth it" to defend any nonsense beyond any possible limit. "eventually" (ie at t->inf) they will be proven wrong, and consequently the value of their eventual (at t -> inf) castle will be that much greater. 1783427;1518463626;mircea_popescu;you follow the logic or should i delve ? 1783428;1518463752;ben_vulpes;i don't follow the logic behind the valuation of the castle at t->inf. once proven wrong, whatever bastion was defended is overrun and so worthless. 1783429;1518463787;ben_vulpes;thing is proven to be worth 0 in the future after much self delusion, rather than 0 now. 1783430;1518463857;mircea_popescu;let's model it thusly. in the mmorpg called "life" the rules say there's two phases. phase a, where you figure out how to build a castle, and out of what, and so on. and phase b, where you sit in that castle and get GOODSTUFF, function of how well it was made. say fame or esteem or communication with god^H^H^H resplenduminous etcetera. 1783431;1518463883;mircea_popescu;think of it as a tower defense game, cuz it's exactly the only model the imbecile spawn of esltarded women even have. that's ALL the business, strategy, everything. 1783432;1518463944;mircea_popescu;now then. if phase a takes a time, and phase b takes another time, then you have a value function implicit. 1783433;1518463972;mircea_popescu;because there's a list of possible questions organised in a question tree ("should i figure out glass or metal ? if i figure out metal, should i figure out sheets or rails ? and so on ad infinitum) it soon becomes apparent that no, it very much isn't worth it to evaluate arbitrarily complex ice sculptures for their possible fit to be used in castlemaking. 1783434;1518464030;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER! because a+b summing to something finite implies mortality, which is to say, that the almighty narcissist anal child eventually ends, and what's worse, the film he blessed with his heroic centrality ends with him... it THEREFORE FOLLOWS a must be infinite. 1783435;1518464083;mircea_popescu;something in the vein of "1. people dying is something too harsh for [my meagre powers] to consider ; 2. if something is hard it is ok to not do it ; 3. things that are not thought of do not properly speaking exist. therefore from 1-2-3 we have proven a is infinite". 1783436;1518464141;mircea_popescu;however, the distortion this wreaks is that if a indeed were infinite, since the possible value of any possible configuration is always epsilon rather than zero, it is suddenly apparently worth it to consider that "well, maybe if the ice state is in the shape of the Pantsuited Abominartion herself, then IT WILL WORK?!?!?!". 1783437;1518464177;mircea_popescu;and so there it is, waiting to have its idiocy proven wrong to itself at an arbitrarily strong standard. because who the hell knowns what it could miss out if indeed it WERE a woman, somehow. 1783438;1518464179;asciilifeform;seems to me like mircea_popescu described an ideal miser, who hoards forever 'for later' and dies on a mattress fulla benjies, rather than 'neet' redditus 1783439;1518464202;mircea_popescu;in spite of all overwhelming evidence. because who knows, right ? science hasn't discovered everything, and it has all the time in the world! 1783440;1518464234;mircea_popescu;rather similarily to how the "human life is worth more than what mp would pay to fuck the item chained to a wall" leads to impossibility (not difficulty -- outright impossibility) of allocating healthcare dollars, just so... 1783441;1518464251;mircea_popescu;a deeply felt notion that death's too harsh to properly speaking exist results necessarily in wasting one's life. 1783442;1518464281;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite so. except what's hoarded here is the pennies of "correctness", and what's foolishly thrown away is the pounds sterling of hours and minutes. 1783443;1518464299;asciilifeform;somehow i knew mircea_popescu would say this! 1783444;1518464328;*;asciilifeform thickens the weights in his mircea_popescutronic neuralnetwork, it hath done well 1783445;1518464546;ben_vulpes;subject of correctness, /me has been using "hugs" in place of "shit people from shithole countries". the lefty brainfry this induces is spectacularly hilarious; "i know you're using good words to mean bad things but but but!" 1783446;1518464699;ben_vulpes;usg cops slowly cottoning on to the fragility of their position: http://abcnews.go.com/US/women-dead-cop-injured-dangerous-ongoing-barricade-situation/story?id=53017623 "death toll could have been much higher", also garage countermeasures finally gaining traction among le resistance; dood lit fires inside the house i imagine to foil the IR cameras 1783447;1518464730;ben_vulpes;it's so pleasing to watch all of these golden toilet tekmologies fall to basic 'wasp'tech. 1783448;1518464763;ben_vulpes;even the economist has finally cottoned on to how fragile the us navy is in this brave new world: https://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21736498-their-small-size-and-large-numbers-can-overwhelm-defences-home-made-drones-now 1783449;1518465099;mircea_popescu;hey, good thing it was in here years ago, that way they could digest it in time for 2018! 1783450;1518465135;ben_vulpes;log lag, such hysteresis. next up: "gps no longer a thing anywhere usg assets are walking around outside of their bunkers" 1783451;1518465339;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783439 << this thread puts much in perspective. In all my arguments with socialist aquaintances, it always seems like it boils down to "well, if there's failure that just means we haven't tried xyz magical configuration of policies yet!". I.e. "goal posts" can be moved ad infinitum (in their eyes, that is) 1783452;1518465339;a111;Logged on 2018-02-12 19:36 mircea_popescu: in spite of all overwhelming evidence. because who knows, right ? science hasn't discovered everything, and it has all the time in the world! 1783453;1518465582;shinohai;http://archive.is/0y01x <<< Duterte trumps Trump, "Shoot 'em in the pussy" 1783454;1518465681;mircea_popescu;did we already do the "la resistance" thing or notyet ? 1783455;1518468810;lobbes;Was this it? >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-14#1369601 1783456;1518468810;a111;Logged on 2016-01-14 01:40 mircea_popescu: funny how nobody in france and generally in the "nordic model" train of euro-socialistoid train wants to remember how, by and large, french society was either supportive or indifferent of the nazis, and how "la resistance" maps almost exactly on what today would be "extreme righyt wing extremism", and how de gaulle, the exact equivalent of say arafat, got to re-write history into some delusional "all france stood behin 1783457;1518469166;mircea_popescu;lobbes no i just meant resistance is feminine in french 1783458;1518471069;ben_vulpes;girl just pointed out to me that the illustrator of curious george and the bunny didn't let slip a single opportunity to draw a pink little bunny butthole 1783459;1518478996;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783361 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783391 << Another option with these in mind involves alf not feeding BingoBoingo indefinitely as an expense, considers locating self here after a visit to take the temperature of the monkeys. 1783460;1518478996;a111;Logged on 2018-02-12 16:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can pay the rack vendor already. the issue is your own food. 1783461;1518478996;a111;Logged on 2018-02-12 16:43 asciilifeform: let's also mention for completeness the cost-competitive alternative to vps : the use of miniature machines ( e.g. apu1 ) . but this involves manual shuffling on the part of hands ( BingoBoingo ) for every new customer. 1783462;1518479158;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for sake of argument -- suppose i were to take your place. i would then have exactly same problem. 1783463;1518479200;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, if you have foreign corp and are presumably feeding self and pet instead of self, pet, and bingo 1783464;1518479523;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://www.wtcmontevideofreezone.com/contacto The Tamara chick does respond to cold emails, can give you the run down of the foreign corp free zone deal. 1783465;1518479689;*;asciilifeform unfortunately is not in a position to relocate to unterraformed shithole . 1783466;1518479709;asciilifeform;otherwise , think, would have already been there, and BingoBoingo would not have had the grenade to fall on to begin with. 1783467;1518479933;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1783468;1518480254;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1783469;1518480262;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8902.9, vol: 15050.74309679 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8897.0, vol: 51352.4650202 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8884.5, vol: 7916.24617432 | Volume-weighted last average: 8896.86337773 1783470;1518495696;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo soo, you're buying your ticket wednesday or what was it ? 1783471;1518504533;hanbot;speaking of that wednesday, it's rather incredible how little discussion there is on the matter, especially considering http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160 1783472;1518504533;a111;Logged on 2018-02-10 14:58 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, reality can only be elided at significant personal sacrifice and over short intervals. so, to repeat it : there is no future for the republic without an isp. 1783473;1518504617;hanbot;i suppose the amount of time it's taken to get to this point while the same death knell was present makes it easy to imagine things could just continue as they are, but i tell you that seems pretty dangerous. 1783474;1518504689;hanbot;and i'd think salvaging bb's mission closer to the goal --any point closer than zero--, would be just about top priority. hence figure it out, and well before wednesday morning comes around. 1783475;1518508608;diana_coman;I admit I don't really get what the sticking point is there in asciilifeform's calculations: the potential tax on shipped equipment? the cost of BingoBoingo ? the cost of racks? not enough sure revenue (how the fuck)? what? 1783476;1518519508;ave1;Hanbot and Diana_coman, I thought so too. The past couple of days has cost me a few nights sleep. My thoughts here: http://ave1.org/2018/from-the-proverbial-peanut-gallery/ 1783477;1518522826;shinohai;Gah, the logs I wake to of late. 1783478;1518523901;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo soo, you're buying your ticket wednesday or what was it ? << I was planning on picking it up Thursday if there has been no interest through Wednesday in channel on a takeover mission for this venture. I can extend the timeline a bit, if it is prudent to do so. 1783479;1518524120;BingoBoingo; and i'd think salvaging bb's mission closer to the goal --any point closer than zero--, would be just about top priority. hence figure it out, and well before wednesday morning comes around. << I can only hope other people are doing math and weighting costs versus warming up their other ISP plans they may have put on hold. 1783480;1518531013;diana_coman;quite some very good points there in my opinion ave1 1783481;1518531139;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, have you read that? 1783482;1518531813;BingoBoingo;I am re-reading it a few times. Certainly it is helpful in a way that the gabriel_laddel-ism http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#comment-114684 is not 1783483;1518532005;TomServo;I'd very much like to see this endeavor succeed and would gladly offer assistance. I don't want to get out line if this discussion is for L1. 1783484;1518532130;BingoBoingo;TomServo: At this point the discussion looks like it would be a way to get into L1 1783485;1518532376;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471 << I can't speak for others, but talk (and opinions) are cheap! Only one willing to consider shouldering the post-mp burden/risk thus far has been asciilifeform. 1783486;1518532376;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 06:48 hanbot: speaking of that wednesday, it's rather incredible how little discussion there is on the matter, especially considering http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160 1783487;1518532381;lobbes;I'm a regular poorfag, but fuck, what is it FOOD for BingoBoingo that is standing in the way in alf's calcs? If that's what it takes I can throw a months worth of food in btc to bb as a one-time gift.  (Though I think issue was longterm coin-to-food conveyor) 1783488;1518532387;lobbes;Bbl, mines 1783489;1518532628;TomServo;For clarification, is the S.NSA gear verboten? Are phf's flight/courier arrangements still on the table? 1783490;1518532776;BingoBoingo;lobbes: If necessary BingoBoingo can do some ugly things to keep fed. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783247 Follows from BingoBoingo being a sort of religious fanatic ideologically aligned with the Republic, even if my inexperience and inability to effectively self direct are an impediment lords taking over this venture would need to compensate for. 1783491;1518532776;a111;Logged on 2018-02-11 14:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what your lack of experience isn't informing you is that you have a very significant advantage. your ~7k per annum cost compares very VERY favorable to what empire pays to hire a walmart drone (25k or so base + 20k or so in overload). the walmart drone costs 6x what you do, and i daresay they do not do 1/6th of what you do. just because you came out short of lordship in the field does not now mean the baseline of 1783492;1518533053;BingoBoingo;That being said for my health I would like a proposal that includes the possibility of a BingoBoingo exit date away from cargo cult Alcoholics Anonymous 1783493;1518533068;shinohai;I've done ugly things to stay fed .... worked with fatty camgirls, etc. But echoing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160 none of my ventures have any future without isp. 1783494;1518533068;a111;Logged on 2018-02-10 14:58 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, reality can only be elided at significant personal sacrifice and over short intervals. so, to repeat it : there is no future for the republic without an isp. 1783495;1518533129;shinohai;Aside from Qntra I have no reliable income, so that brings all to screeching halt here. 1783496;1518533259;*;BingoBoingo to shut up for a bit and compile as much of the ave1 requested material together into a blog and explore the possibility of making arrangements for a Dentist to follow the BingoBoingo camp to old country. 1783497;1518534868;mod6;I don't want to through good money after bad here. 1783498;1518534945;mod6;So, indeed, I think we all want to see the ISP idea work. But after this entire snafu, I'm still confused as to what went wrong here. The foundation's plan here was in motion to bring machines there directly. Because of the ugly possible VAT or dissappearing of boxes themselves. 1783499;1518534971;mod6;If part of the plan was to build machines on demand for customers, it sounds like we're in the wrong locale for that. 1783500;1518535436;mod6;I'm gonna look at some things, will report back later. 1783501;1518535928;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/twelve-runs-of-speedtest-cli-from-the-qntra-server/ << Bingo Blog - Twelve Runs Of speedtest-cli From The Qntra Server 1783502;1518536421;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783489 << S.NSA gear is not verboten, but my absolute deadline to leave expires in less than an hour 1783503;1518536421;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 14:37 TomServo: For clarification, is the S.NSA gear verboten? Are phf's flight/courier arrangements still on the table? 1783504;1518536447;mod6;On it. 1783505;1518536858;TomServo;Sucks, I think getting that gear there was a critical piece. 1783506;1518536904;mod6;Yeah. Stand-by. 1783507;1518537154;lobbes;<< this is the key question needing resolving, imo. "Is it worth it to continue throwing good money into orc-hole?". After BB's deep descent into the cargo cult looking for chassis n' such, it is certainly suggestive of more "tree-forts everywhere" ala http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782956 1783508;1518537154;a111;Logged on 2018-02-08 23:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782932 << the only point to my eyes is that someone fucked in the head enough to run something they call "datacenter" without one ton of spare racks laying about is not distinguishable from three twelve year old white boys in a "tree fort" running a "porn business" through taking complicatedly filtered ipad shots of their own palms. 1783509;1518537159;lobbes;But for now I'll shut up and leave room for my betters to work out that question. Back to saeculum mines, and then archive-o-tronics 1783510;1518537367;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783475 << this is not that clear to me. what i've penciled out is that there are some ~1.8kusd monthly of rack rental buy side floating around, and mircea_popescu's plan as i understand it was to build and rent vpsen to get to breakeven, which still needs someone in teh forums hawking vps 1783511;1518537367;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 07:56 diana_coman: I admit I don't really get what the sticking point is there in asciilifeform's calculations: the potential tax on shipped equipment? the cost of BingoBoingo ? the cost of racks? not enough sure revenue (how the fuck)? what? 1783512;1518537413;shinohai;Can't sell what doesn't exist, neh? 1783513;1518537457;ben_vulpes;shinohai: elaborate? 1783514;1518537520;mod6;BingoBoingo: how much revenue was going to be pulled down by non-vps customers per month? The foundation had said "we want 2U", so that accounts for us. 1783515;1518537545;shinohai;If there are currently no vps boxxen to sell, cannot exactly sell anything besides promisetronic 1783516;1518537547;mod6;(trying to establish how much VPS needs to be sold to make up the difference just to break even on bills) 1783517;1518537556;ben_vulpes;shinohai: obviousl. 1783518;1518537608;phf;TomServo: it's critical only in a sense that the immediate opportunity was squandered, but right now most important is to provide bb with enough fiat to stay afloat, next requirement is to provide bb with enough fiat to pay dc fees, because those two are the ones that are going to shut down the operation 1783519;1518537954;ben_vulpes;i'm guessing the initial subscription of just rack space comes to around 1.7k/mo; waving hands at a vps setup "special get us to breakeven" deal slicing up one of the mega boxes asciilifeform described implies a breakeven at some 57 monthly rentals at 20 usd/mo (which buys 4.5GB of ram, notbad.jpg in the grand scheme of things, but the tiny straw of bandwidth weighs against this) 1783520;1518538086;ave1;BingoBoingo: read carefully these are not requests but suggestions, I even left some out. Also, at this point you still have a partner and I do not know your arrangements, so check before publishing what might be important / secret business operational data. 1783521;1518538110;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Another higher margin activity which can be marketed is good old fashioned shared hosting. 1783522;1518538501;BingoBoingo;ave1: At this point the journey to here is documented in existing blog posts, there is no harm in collecting that data into a single larger post for the convenience not only of people who might be considering taking on this particular effort, but for those who may want to undertake their own as well. 1783523;1518538524;ben_vulpes;neglecting shared hosting, and again waving hands at a sales rate on vps slicen of 10/mo and zero churn etc, thing could hit breakeven on the rack alone sometime in august 1783524;1518539944;phf;ben_vulpes: it's $1423 for 20/200 pipe and $900 for 2.5KW rack (his pipe is effectively 18/183) 1783525;1518540032;ben_vulpes;phf: yeah i rolled IVA into that number, is that wrong for some reason? 1783526;1518540390;phf;ben_vulpes: didn't you lose a $1000 then, it works out to 2741/mo 1783527;1518540531;ben_vulpes;i pulled 2834.06/mo from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ , estimated some 1.7k in rental subscriptions from l1/2 1783528;1518540569;phf;oh oh 1783529;1518540592;phf;i missed the "estimated from l1/2" bit 1783530;1518540657;ben_vulpes;yeah, it was a bit further up, "~1.8k monthly of rack rental buy side floating around" 1783531;1518541631;asciilifeform;!!up alienatu 1783532;1518541632;deedbot;alienatu voiced for 30 minutes. 1783533;1518543342;diana_coman;phf I think what is actually shutting down the operation is a. lack of someone capable & willing to take it in hand i.e. provide very detailed instructions to BingoBoingo b. fuzziness as to what operation there really is atm + what operation can actually be had at the location 1783534;1518543364;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform is able to supply (a) . problem is (b) 1783535;1518543402;diana_coman;asciilifeform, so ask BingoBoingo exactly for what is needed to un-fuzz; that's what all the detailed instructions is all about 1783536;1518543506;asciilifeform;diana_coman: there's two problems , 'technical' and 'business'. technical is solvable. the part that bites, is the 'business' 1783537;1518543549;diana_coman;so a.1 is technical capable person a.2 business capable person 1783538;1518543560;diana_coman;and apparently you can supply a.1; missing a.2 1783539;1518543597;asciilifeform;it is not clear to me that 'vps marketed to heathens, for btc' is a viable model. but then again i am not business wizard, possibly someone with mp-level brain could have done this 1783540;1518543627;asciilifeform;as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps) 1783541;1518543628;diana_coman;out of curiosity why marketed to heathens? 1783542;1518543642;asciilifeform;because l1 doesn't use , afaik, vps 1783543;1518543647;asciilifeform;( am i mistaken ? ) 1783544;1518543674;mod6;i use a few for various things. 1783545;1518543676;diana_coman;iirc there were some vps ran by l1, what; as sandboxes if nothing else 1783546;1518543677;asciilifeform;l1 appears good for a certain amount of raw verticalspace rental. but not the 0.5btc's worth (at current usd rate) required to keep op in the black 1783547;1518543716;diana_coman;asciilifeform, so maybe make the plan + offer and see what feedback you get on it? 1783548;1518543880;diana_coman;fwiw I am certainly interested in being a customer of TMSR ISP but I've been waiting and waiting to see concrete offers; being a bit on the other side of the world doesn't help much re moving iron there either but presumably at some point I can even get that sorted in some way; if there is some ISP to get sorted to, of course 1783549;1518543933;diana_coman;but I suppose asciilifeform's obv is correct in that a.2 is missing still 1783550;1518543953;asciilifeform;diana_coman: dare i ask if you have a theory of how a bisp could stay in the black without taking heathen coin ? 1783551;1518544029;diana_coman;I think it can sell enough to l1(+l2 perhaps) but I haven't run the numbers etc (because I'm already juggling lots as it is) 1783552;1518544260;ben_vulpes;diana_coman: i've only tallied up ~1.7k/mo in l1 space rental 1783553;1518544489;diana_coman;in other words this can be put as: tmsr's l1 atm is not big enough yet to support an isp of its own 1783554;1518544512;asciilifeform;diana_coman: could be enuff. depending on what people are willing to pay. 1783555;1518544518;ben_vulpes;aaand that assumes that the 5 slots mircea_popescu wants don't overlap with s.nsa 1783556;1518544562;diana_coman;asciilifeform, the point is to sell more not pricier, neh? so: depending on how much people are willing to USE the isp 1783557;1518544580;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i meant, in sum 1783558;1518544608;asciilifeform;( if we have 5 people who each want 3 boxes, is just as good as if we have 3 who each want 5 ) 1783559;1518544723;diana_coman;yes, how big is not a head count strictly of course; put it as how powerful if that is clearer 1783560;1518545108;asciilifeform;right 1783561;1518545435;asciilifeform;the rough measure appears to be, if l1 is good for 0.5 btc / mo. ( at the current rate) -- bisp runs. if rate loses a 0 -- it turns into 5. if grows a 0 -- becomes 0.05 . 1783562;1518545547;asciilifeform;( if someone believes this equation to contain a mistake -- i would like to hear about it asap ) 1783563;1518545611;ben_vulpes;i'll buy it 1783564;1518545650;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: which it 1783565;1518545684;ben_vulpes;the equation, it pencils out over here as well. 1783566;1518545693;asciilifeform;aa. 1783567;1518545736;mod6;yeah, this seems to make sense to me. 1783568;1518546159;mod6;BingoBoingo: Are you there? 1783569;1518546192;BingoBoingo;mod6: I am baking blog post summarizing where this thing is. 1783570;1518546211;mod6;We have some questions for you. 1783571;1518546266;BingoBoingo;Well, present the questions? 1783572;1518546276;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783544 << fwiw I will certainly purchase/use a bbisp vps as well. 1783573;1518546276;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 17:41 mod6: i use a few for various things. 1783574;1518546461;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/ << Bingo Blog - A Summary Of BBisp Activity 1783575;1518550075;mod6;!~later tell jurov Please to ping me as soon as you get a chance. 1783576;1518550110;mod6;damnit 1783577;1518550114;mod6;!~ later tell jurov Please to ping me as soon as you get a chance. 1783578;1518550157;mod6;ok maybe bot is down. 1783579;1518550177;mod6;jurov: please ping me when you're around. 1783580;1518550270;lobbes;!Qlater tell jurov plox to ping mod6 once ya get the chance 1783581;1518550270;lobbesbot;lobbes: The operation succeeded. 1783582;1518550279;lobbes;Redundancy ftw! 1783583;1518550286;mod6;oh, thanks, didn't even know. good work lobbes. 1783584;1518559136;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/experimental-results/ << Trilema - Experimental results 1783585;1518559567;diana_coman;in other issues: rfc on oaep for tmsr, see http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-124596 1783586;1518559602;asciilifeform;diana_coman: that was the openproblem that produced the thread which ultimately turned into mp's-hash etc 1783587;1518560197;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783582 <<< lobbes this may be something you and I might discuss you overtaking, since I likely am not going to be able to bring back jhvh1 with current isp woes, etc. 1783588;1518560197;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 19:31 lobbes: Redundancy ftw! 1783589;1518560296;ben_vulpes;somehow lobbes trinque phf asciilifeform can run bots without the republican isp but all of a sudden shinohai cannot? 1783590;1518560528;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not to mention eulora, trilema, somehow seem to run.. 1783591;1518560562;ben_vulpes;aha 1783592;1518560568;asciilifeform;( since mircea_popescu seems to be sleeping i'ma have to run the emulator : 'it's because they are part of my Adult World, not this stinking kindergarten' ) 1783593;1518560572;shinohai;eulora and trilema have funding that shinohai does not. Might move it to home box, remains to be seen. 1783594;1518560779;mod6;re rota: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-01-21#-156893 1783595;1518560779;a111;Logged on 2013-01-21 21:12 mod6: wat 1783596;1518563984;mod6;Alright, the Bitcoin Foundation has been discussing all day about using funds to support the bbisp. We are ready to make that commitment. 1783597;1518564042;mod6;Arrangements are being made currently. 1783598;1518564048;BingoBoingo;Is this a takeover? 1783599;1518564053;BingoBoingo;Please say yes 1783600;1518564095;mod6;The aim is to supply you with funds to continue operations. And to relieve you of debt to Mr. Popescu. 1783601;1518564131;mod6;We propose to pay him outright, relieving him of obligations to the venture. 1783602;1518564172;mod6;We hope, to retain Mr. Popescu as a customer, as well as ``Minigame'', S.MG, so known. 1783603;1518564184;asciilifeform;somebody plox wake up mircea_popescu 1783604;1518564200;asciilifeform;( let's to hope he has a bell that rings when called... asciilifeform at one time did ) 1783605;1518564225;mod6;Someone also wake up jurov. 1783606;1518564698;mod6;Furthermore, we will bring management and retain BingoBoingo for his services as 'Remote-Hands'. 1783607;1518566454;mod6;Happy Valentines Day, TMSR~. <3 1783608;1518573945;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2238 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 10: Introducing Karatsubas Multiplication. 1783609;1518573963;asciilifeform;phf: plox to snarf patches, ty 1783610;1518574141;mod6;hey hey hey, lbj 1783611;1518574507;asciilifeform;as always, q's, barfola, corrections of obvious flipped signs, etc. welcome. 1783612;1518574550;mod6;Thanks for posting. 1783613;1518574621;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform posts these 'from cause, not purpose' (tm)(r) 1783614;1518574675;asciilifeform;who knows, 20y from nao , a different asciilifeform will meet a different mircea_popescu and they will look for a sane numeric lib and ~find~ one, instead of sitting for 4y without... 1783615;1518574690;asciilifeform;( ... or not. 'not my paygrade' (tm) ) 1783616;1518576414;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch10_karatsuba << ty phf ! 1783617;1518576971;mod6;I can confirm that the seal verifies and that pressing up through chatper 10 worked. 1783618;1518577103;asciilifeform;mod6: now try 1783619;1518577117;mod6;did you change something? 1783620;1518577117;asciilifeform;time echo "??\`\`*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]#" | ./bin/ffa_calc 1048576 32 /dev/urandom | tr -d '\n' | python 1783621;1518577126;mod6;oh. ok sure. 1783622;1518577164;asciilifeform;...then substitute /dev/zero for /dev/urandom, and same 1783623;1518577204;asciilifeform;( to do this very rigorously, oughta buffer the 'random'; reading from /dev/zero is unsurprisingly slightly faster ) 1783624;1518577212;asciilifeform;but i think errybody gets the idea. 1783625;1518577315;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/K2jR0/?raw=true << for the command with /dev/urandom 1783626;1518577319;mod6;will try with /dev/zero 1783627;1518577330;asciilifeform;ahahahahawaaat 1783628;1518577338;asciilifeform;dafuq 1783629;1518577345;asciilifeform;do you not have tr ? 1783630;1518577367;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot 1783631;1518577368;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1783632;1518577370;mod6;hmmmod6@localhost ~/ada/alf/ffa/ch10/ffa/ffacalc $ command -v tr 1783633;1518577370;mod6;/usr/bin/tr 1783634;1518577390;asciilifeform;!A ??``*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]# 1783635;1518577390;pehbot;asciilifeform: print 0x3E5D0A1494714608C690023711EFA9F54CF89F9B8B6868E1D67349192693CFCE40FCAF5754AA88528ADEB8ED715E6E8AE88B42D309FAB89CA70AB0F7C302C4C9 == 0x5B76C0C5A47092525D9522B8B6BEF9B4DE1EA7F4C7F89A3275C15B4B779BE2E3 * 0xAE8CDAA17D3E6F67085DE25998BA005E2ADF86FB1A57BFED68BE051B47A18D63 1783636;1518577394;asciilifeform;^ 256bit version 1783637;1518577397;asciilifeform;!A ??``*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]# 1783638;1518577397;pehbot;asciilifeform: print 0x698CE911132F8468C4E194B8DE368D399B8AE8C9DCF00FC13622C69C77D352F353E6B7BF5B55BF3DA41638E1205BF3BB08656A1A8A8E6E44C6BFC7305DE792F0 == 0x97E739A43C6FDC54D30868703F7F3352A0E6B8145D73DE069DD0D5DAE15D40B0 * 0xB1E1E52D89EE143D129759B6ECDA2B57FB3A51F52A7903E840BDF7DDFC9361ED 1783639;1518577398;asciilifeform;etc. 1783640;1518577407;asciilifeform;when you strip the newlines, this kompyootes 1783641;1518577426;asciilifeform;aaaahahahahah you have fucking python3 dontcha mod6 . 1783642;1518577432;asciilifeform;they CHANGED the syntax for 'print'. 1783643;1518577437;mod6;with /dev/zero was 0x00000... * 0x0000... huge number. : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MuO8r/?raw=true 1783644;1518577445;mod6;lemme check 1783645;1518577461;mod6;ah, aha: Python 3.4.5 1783646;1518577465;asciilifeform;bahahahha 1783647;1518577470;mod6;kill it with fire? 1783648;1518577475;asciilifeform;or put in the parens it wants, lol 1783649;1518577479;asciilifeform;but certainly won't work as shown. 1783650;1518577485;mod6;ah. alrighty. 1783651;1518577510;asciilifeform;!A ??``*[print (0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]#[)] 1783652;1518577510;pehbot;asciilifeform: print (0x8EEE68CAA9C397919CECDBD05C4302B99F58EAB4A817CEA09AAA5CDC4BA3B6E0F8F9E79110C128FE5855DFAED823D747291502C911E8822424FF68EA61E163F0 == 0x9523A93AE0C7CA410E9D96BA917CC81F6AE261D3E66761697EEA50D42887C714 * 0xF5580622DB331381B3CCDFFB01647F4CBEE85A173D5CC98939237F4A02E7F0CC) 1783653;1518577514;asciilifeform;^ maybe like-so 1783654;1518577519;mod6;ooh ok 1783655;1518577555;*;asciilifeform tried locally, seems to satisfy p3 1783656;1518577592;mod6;Like so? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RLrQZ/?raw=true 1783657;1518577601;asciilifeform;exactly like-so. 1783658;1518577607;mod6;werd. nice :] 1783659;1518577614;asciilifeform;aaand it looks like we have a 'winner' : 1783660;1518577640;asciilifeform;... or not. gotta compare /dev/zero and file of 0xFF . 1783661;1518577667;asciilifeform;but know that 'iron mul' has been re-introduced (will be made selectable soon enuff) and you can use ch10 ffa to diagnose 'evil' cpu 1783662;1518577673;asciilifeform;that have variable-timed MUL. 1783663;1518577685;mod6;ahh. 1783664;1518577715;asciilifeform;mod6: your timing result is not yet proof that you have such a box; gotta compare a static 'random' consisting of 00000.... and one of FFFF ... 1783665;1518577724;asciilifeform;( you can substitute a file for the /dev/whateverthefuck ) 1783666;1518577742;asciilifeform;for the given example, gotta make sure that it has at least 2MB of mass. 1783667;1518577747;asciilifeform;(megabit, not megabyte) 1783668;1518577772;asciilifeform;this is a deterministic test. ffacalc is made deliberately to permit one. 1783669;1518577782;mod6;oh, i see. lemme see what i can drum up here... 1783670;1518577892;asciilifeform;a pro seekrit : you can pipe ffacalc output to base64 -d 1783671;1518577964;asciilifeform;or grrr nm 1783672;1518577971;asciilifeform;not base64, but 1783673;1518578055;asciilifeform;xxd -r -p 1783674;1518578067;asciilifeform;so lessay you want a Mbit of 0xFF..... 1783675;1518578123;asciilifeform;echo ".0~#" | ./bin/ffa_calc 1048576 32 | xxd -r -p > lotsaones.bin 1783676;1518578125;asciilifeform;is your ticket. 1783677;1518578139;asciilifeform;y'know, 1783678;1518578146;asciilifeform;!A ".0~#" 1783679;1518578146;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 0: Stack Underflow! 1783680;1518578152;asciilifeform;lolahaaha 1783681;1518578155;asciilifeform;!A .0~# 1783682;1518578155;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 1783683;1518578157;asciilifeform;etc. 1783684;1518578208;asciilifeform;so you get however many you want, you got it by simply using ffacalc to compute the desired integer. 1783685;1518578313;asciilifeform;after that you can e.g. time echo "??\`\`*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]#" | ./bin/ffa_calc 1048576 32 lotsaones.bin | tr -d '\n' | python 1783686;1518578326;mod6;ooh, ok lemme give that a shot. 1783687;1518578366;asciilifeform;( note that you do not need the 0 in .0 , i put it in for readability ) 1783688;1518578370;asciilifeform;!A .~# 1783689;1518578370;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 1783690;1518578393;mod6;aha, sure. 1783691;1518579078;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IKJAK/?raw=true << ok with feeding it in with '<' it seems to do somthing here... had some trouble trying to read it directly said 'Could not read from RNG!' 1783692;1518579296;asciilifeform;mod6: you need 2Mb, recall 1783693;1518579300;asciilifeform;i oughta have reminded. 1783694;1518579315;mod6;yah, i thought they might be a bit small. lemme see what I can do. 1783695;1518579315;asciilifeform;cuz you have two invokes, recall, "??" 1783696;1518579321;mod6;yup, gotcha 1783697;1518579322;asciilifeform;not 'a bit' but fully 2x toosmall 1783698;1518579324;asciilifeform;aaha 1783699;1518579638;mod6;how about this? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1dfHJ/?raw=true 1783700;1518579673;asciilifeform;right, but ideally you want a few thou of these, and a correlation calc 1783701;1518579681;asciilifeform;(or at least basic stats) 1783702;1518579705;asciilifeform;and replace the python with > /dev/null 1783703;1518579715;asciilifeform;cuz python is (mega-unsurprise) variably-mul-ing 1783704;1518579726;mod6;ah, sure. 1783705;1518579753;asciilifeform;i left this as exercise but if mod6's nerves are as tight as asciilifeform's , is forgivable , lol 1783706;1518579827;mod6;heheh. so you're saying do this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1VeEL/?raw=true : a few thosand times and create a graph of the differences in the timings 1783707;1518579839;asciilifeform;can skip the tr lol 1783708;1518579840;asciilifeform;but yes 1783709;1518579847;mod6;oh my bad 1783710;1518579855;asciilifeform;can even skip the #'s, you don't need the output foranything 1783711;1518579864;asciilifeform;but overall yes. 1783712;1518579901;mod6;so for those following along, this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OHXDh/?raw=true 1783713;1518579990;asciilifeform;also if you want to experiment with even bigger numberz, turn the 32 ( that i habitually use as stack height ) into the minimal necessary 4 for this experiment 1783714;1518580013;asciilifeform;that way you will not exhaust memory (gcc's default stack) when you use genuinely massive ffawidth 1783715;1518580026;asciilifeform;( if this does happen, it happens during warmup , and is harmless ) 1783716;1518580135;asciilifeform;e.g. 4194304 ( 4 megabit ) takes ~3s on my box here. 1783717;1518580157;asciilifeform;( go and try same with ch9 ! ) 1783718;1518580176;asciilifeform;this of course is not a surprise to folx who actually read. but still fun. 1783719;1518580239;*;asciilifeform bbl,food 1783720;1518582572;asciilifeform;in other oddities: http://www.riotsys.com 1783721;1518582581;asciilifeform;( before anyone asks -- i have nfi who this is ) 1783722;1518582599;asciilifeform;'RS-16 has a single-tasking "operating system" whose source fits on a few pages of paper and is easily understandable by anyone who speaks C. The operating system only implements the functions that you need for editing text, crypto and transferring files. It lives in ROM and cannot run programs from disk, eliminating a range of attack vectors.' 1783723;1518582612;asciilifeform;but for some reason also 'Optional: Bluetooth Module RN42-XV' ... 1783724;1518582666;asciilifeform;( author also of e.g. http://interim-os.com and a few other interesting nuggets ) 1783725;1518582756;asciilifeform;in lulz*2, the last link in 1st para of 'rs-16' goes to a ... 'This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.' 1783726;1518583711;mod6;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kkTSP/?raw=true 1783727;1518583725;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey 1783728;1518583806;asciilifeform;mod6: leave it to run overnight for coupla million shots 1783729;1518583816;asciilifeform;(each) 1783730;1518583818;mod6;sure. will do. 1783731;1518583832;asciilifeform;then post the magic figures, and include what type of iron was used. 1783732;1518583839;asciilifeform;^ and for anybody else who wants to try. 1783733;1518583846;asciilifeform;i'ma set some up later this wk meself. 1783734;1518583856;mod6;cool :] 1783735;1518583860;asciilifeform;yay. 1783736;1518583943;asciilifeform;will be lulzy incidentally if the diff goes the other way when you move the files somewhere else on disk and rename'em etc 1783737;1518583954;asciilifeform;( i.e. if it's due to where the inodes are, or the like ) 1783738;1518583979;asciilifeform;anyffinspossible. which is why experiment. 1783739;1518584439;mod6;ah, sure. makes sense. 1783740;1518584448;mod6;will run tonight. 1783741;1518587618;ave1;Concratulations on the most pantsuits solution: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783596 1783742;1518587618;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 23:19 mod6: Alright, the Bitcoin Foundation has been discussing all day about using funds to support the bbisp. We are ready to make that commitment. 1783743;1518587695;mod6;lol pantsuits? 1783744;1518587696;ave1;Now if it is a success, we have this powerfull *foundation* (with rules and bylaws etc etc) 1783745;1518587702;ben_vulpes;thanks, ave1 1783746;1518587721;ben_vulpes;remind me of what these rules and bylaws are again? 1783747;1518587831;ave1;If it is a failure, no one is to blame 1783748;1518587852;ben_vulpes;how does that follow from my and mod6 personal responsibility for everything the foundation does 1783749;1518587882;ben_vulpes;what, we release a trb that steals your coins and somehow nobody is to blame? get real 1783750;1518591010;lobbes;yeah ave1, I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Foundation is two guys who each have a distinct identity that can be impaled by the forum's punishment gazette at any time. I fail to see the pantsuit properties of the solution 1783751;1518594015;ave1;color me embarrassed and properly chastised 1783752;1518594026;ave1;I seem to have tripped over the name *foundation* 1783753;1518594056;ave1;I hereby apologise to lord mod6 1783754;1518594147;ave1;I hereby apologise to lord ben_vulpes 1783755;1518594276;ave1;I will reread the charter and all other relevant documents 1783756;1518597581;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783587 << damn. Well, while I'm not opposed to having lobbesbot take over jhvh1 functionality, I still have much in the hopper already (e.g. getting archive bulk-download into production). Hell, by the time I get to it I may wake to my own heathen vpsen assassinated ;/ 1783757;1518597581;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 22:16 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783582 <<< lobbes this may be something you and I might discuss you overtaking, since I likely am not going to be able to bring back jhvh1 with current isp woes, etc. 1783758;1518597634;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783593 << I think I'm in a similar boat as you, but I've just been lucky not to run into the kraken (http://trilema.com/2018/experimental-results/#selection-343.191-347.68). My luck will run out eventually though. 1783759;1518597634;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 22:22 shinohai: eulora and trilema have funding that shinohai does not. Might move it to home box, remains to be seen. 1783760;1518602791;diana_coman;while searching for something else, I found the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776243 ; it's in the logs, at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616384 1783761;1518602791;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 17:25 mircea_popescu: hmm, where the hell is the place where i say the father's responsibility to his daughter is to shove a pound of raw prime beef down her throat every day and naught else ? 1783762;1518602791;a111;Logged on 2017-02-21 22:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of house, the BEST THING father can do for his daughter, aged 9 to 19, is make sure she has abundant, clean protein available. no meal without salmon, fine beef, shrimp, pump her full of 100g of protein a day. 1783763;1518604835;diana_coman;mod6, mind giving a bit more detail regarding the business+technical side? 1783764;1518614590;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/asfixion/ << Trilema - A[s]fixion 1783765;1518617650;mircea_popescu;gmorning #trilema 1783766;1518617664;*;mircea_popescu wasn't going to read the logs ; but then hanbot insisted. all the better. 1783767;1518617732;mircea_popescu;mod6 i'm not against you taking over ; but mind that as you also mention, BingoBoingo 's problem wasn't lack of access to capital (i dunno why this keeps being the expectation, as it's scarcely yet been the case, we're drastically overcapitalized is the entire fucking problem to begin with). BingoBoingo 's problem was lack of access to middle management, and it nigh on killed him. so for this to work, that's the key element. 1783768;1518617881;mircea_popescu;that aside, i don't necessarily want to be paid cash or anything ; carry the same http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 on the books alongside whatever you're adding via the foundation and it'll be fine. 1783769;1518617881;a111;Logged on 2018-02-11 13:57 mircea_popescu: alternatively, i have no problem taking say 1.5 worth of absolutely senior convertible equity in your continuant venture, however you call it. 1783770;1518618098;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783451 << very much that exactly. the pantsuit rides on a high and mighty horse of "oh, capitalists don't account for ALL the externalities", hence its trojan horse of "environmentalism", because mind you that people making the civilisation run haven't in their ledger of costs and benefits a line for the obscure pondfish of extinction, and this, while epsilon, IS TILL NOT ZERO!!! concerntrol 1783771;1518618098;a111;Logged on 2018-02-12 19:55 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783439 << this thread puts much in perspective. In all my arguments with socialist aquaintances, it always seems like it boils down to "well, if there's failure that just means we haven't tried xyz magical configuration of policies yet!". I.e. "goal posts" can be moved ad infinitum (in their eyes, that is) 1783772;1518618098;mircea_popescu;olol. 1783773;1518618147;mircea_popescu;MEANWHILE, however, they have 100% unaccounted for the time externality. so basically it's a contest consisting of a guy without legs going about finding fault with people's fingers. because he's decided "legs don't count", and so as he has much better hands than the rest of those losers he should be captain of the football team. 1783774;1518618190;mircea_popescu;somehow we're asked to forgive the plain fact that pantsuit's socialist paradise will NEVER come, because let's all focus on how some species got extincted for sucking bad enough to need the measure. 1783775;1518618203;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu 1783776;1518618226;asciilifeform;typo in your mice, 'pard' - 'part' ? 1783777;1518618233;mircea_popescu;a ty 1783778;1518618301;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wb btw. i for one thought that mircea_popescu was tired of teaching his kindergarten.. 1783779;1518618326;mircea_popescu;no, im gonna make it a coupla times a week. and even read logs now and again. 1783780;1518618452;asciilifeform;i'ma not spoil the bisp surprise tho, will wait till its new commander wakes up, speaks. 1783781;1518618452;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes might be able to supply middle management if he takes an active interest in this venture. But as per http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/#comment-114709 I would like to see new management present at least one plan where they envision keeping the corpse warm for a month and pulling the plug if they find it unfeasible in a way that allows BingoBoingo to survive in a position no wosre than 1783782;1518618452;BingoBoingo;after his recent attempt to fly to the sun. 1783783;1518618476;mircea_popescu;how you hodling up ? 1783784;1518618528;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: One day at a time. This has been good for my AA basics even if the local AA seems more cargo cult as my spanish improves. 1783785;1518618552;BingoBoingo;But with the IspWish... With a mircea_popescu venture I had a good idea I was playing with a knife. I have a lot of uncertainty what a mod6, ben_vulpes, alf coalition offers that mircea_popescu didn't other than padding and yet to be determined quality of middle management. If they present an escape plan it would provide a lot of comfort. 1783786;1518618566;mircea_popescu;it's funny what parts turn out rotten/unreliable huh. you'd think there's nothing intrinsically orc about AA, it's a fundamental human thing, how could they botch it ?! 1783787;1518618591;mircea_popescu;then you discover muslims don't know how to fuck, either, and realise that no, being an orc is a very substantial thing. it's not just foreign / neologistic items they fuck up. 1783788;1518618605;mircea_popescu;they're fuckups altogether, as a substance not as a coincidental, environment-driven property. 1783789;1518618643;mircea_popescu;sure as waterlillies nobody put an import tax on AA, there or anywhere else. and yet. 1783790;1518618653;BingoBoingo;Seriously. 1783791;1518618685;mircea_popescu;orc can't be honest. not because doesn't want to or anything, but because honesty requires a live intelligence. 1783792;1518618769;asciilifeform;this particular observation ( mircea_popescu had a 'liars can't invent' article ) i found fascinating and tried several times to write a piece in application re particular historic charlatans , but failed to say anyffingnew 1783793;1518618781;BingoBoingo;Finding someone here to do Step 5 with here was a challenge for that reason. 1783794;1518618905;mircea_popescu;can't you call any of the old time folk in the us ? 1783795;1518618960;BingoBoingo;I have been doing that, but for Step 5 it doesn't seem right if you can't look the other person in the eye 1783796;1518618974;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1783797;1518618994;BingoBoingo;Gotta have a live intelligence to reflect against, to get the relief outta being honest 1783798;1518619429;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783476 << crowdsourced middle management is a rather terrible idea ; are you familiar with say the potemkin rebellion, or generally the early (properly soviet) phase of russian revolution ? 1783799;1518619429;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 10:58 ave1: Hanbot and Diana_coman, I thought so too. The past couple of days has cost me a few nights sleep. My thoughts here: http://ave1.org/2018/from-the-proverbial-peanut-gallery/ 1783800;1518619441;mircea_popescu;quite some lulz to be had there, to fill up those sleepless nights. 1783801;1518619502;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783483 << the correct approach is to make up for lost time by helping us become familiar with you (in the sense of your history -- there is no other you than what you do). 1783802;1518619502;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 14:26 TomServo: I'd very much like to see this endeavor succeed and would gladly offer assistance. I don't want to get out line if this discussion is for L1. 1783803;1518619530;mircea_popescu;in other words, don't wait about while praying st Hilarity. put your hands on it and do. 1783804;1518619688;asciilifeform;iirc fella mostly lurks, but quietly runs a trb node, obtained a FG ( but afaik not yet written any study of it, no blog yet ) , is literate tho 1783805;1518619720;mircea_popescu;!#s from:mircea TomServo 1783806;1518619721;a111;173 results for "from:mircea TomServo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea%20TomServo 1783807;1518619752;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-16#627147 1783808;1518619752;a111;Logged on 2014-04-16 02:39 mircea_popescu: ;;rate TomServo 1 New blood. 1783809;1518619760;BingoBoingo; how you hodling up ? << I guess the other big lesson is that in a bit more than two months, this weekend has shown that I made at least one servicable friend here 1783810;1518619768;mircea_popescu;yet i can't tell him from adam. 1783811;1518619781;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo teh venezoelana chick ? 1783812;1518619795;asciilifeform;he had a previous name. what was it 1783813;1518619844;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, not perfect but servicable. Cuning enough to extract a decent living here outta the orcs while waiting to return to the Dental profession. 1783814;1518619884;mircea_popescu;hey. you quit drinking on the couch ytou have, not on the couch you might possibly need for the purpose ; and consequently... 1783815;1518619889;mircea_popescu;history. it's a wonderful thing. 1783816;1518619968;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783485 << "willing". asciilifeform is principally willing to stick himself into things, then delay them, and then ultimately produce some laughably inept excuse. 1783817;1518619968;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 14:32 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471 << I can't speak for others, but talk (and opinions) are cheap! Only one willing to consider shouldering the post-mp burden/risk thus far has been asciilifeform. 1783818;1518620024;mircea_popescu;!!up freetlas 1783819;1518620024;deedbot;freetlas voiced for 30 minutes. 1783820;1518620316;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783521 << these aren't really distinct. you either lease boxes or else you http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783389 ; however you call it is not relevant, "vps", "shared hosting", "virtualization", "cloud", there is no distinction between these. 1783821;1518620316;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 16:08 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Another higher margin activity which can be marketed is good old fashioned shared hosting. 1783822;1518620316;a111;Logged on 2018-02-12 16:42 mircea_popescu: "if mp built his back-to-back toilet, how could you ~using software only, mind!~ ensure the piss of his slavegirls doesn't mix ?" 1783823;1518620378;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783525 << the problem is not really the bw in the sense of a limitation, can get as much installed as you want. the prices he's paying there are not terrible for what he gets. 1783824;1518620378;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 16:40 ben_vulpes: phf: yeah i rolled IVA into that number, is that wrong for some reason? 1783825;1518620501;BingoBoingo;The bandwidth cost if the pipe is anything close to filled is comprable to Brazil where they bill bandwidth off the pipe on a percentage transfer scheme and beats Asia where they bill extortionately for data that crosses borders 1783826;1518620551;mircea_popescu;(this is the deep, and political meaning of the rowhammer class of attacks : it has rendered amazon's business entirely worthless ; much like basic physics make tesla be a paper-only usg venture, so now the last remaining flagship. all hopes now pinned on googles artificial "intelligence" [and i guess "quantum" wank].) 1783827;1518620570;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo something like that. 1783828;1518620595;mircea_popescu;but yes, the fundamental reason i didn't say no to uy (in preference of say, hk) is specifically that asia has a bw problem. 1783829;1518620665;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783540 << people all over the world manage to acquire arbitrary fiat to pay for their whatever, rents. they'll manage to acquire the bitcoin, similarily. 1783830;1518620665;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 17:40 asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps) 1783831;1518620679;BingoBoingo;It is what also killed Chile. Pacific coastline is worthless for undersea cables 1783832;1518620688;mircea_popescu;this is a not-negotiable point, bitcoin is the currency of the republic, and payments will be made in it. let allcomers figure out how to buy the bitcoin they absolutely need. 1783833;1518620717;mircea_popescu;but their absolute need for bitcoin is in any case a more fundamental matter than their physical existence. 1783834;1518620942;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783585 << continuing on this discussion (not so as to improperly call asciilifeform 's usual dithery blather such ; but for the record, that a discussion was at least ~attempted~) : s.mg boardroom eventually decided yesterday to employ a format for the pre-padded rsa messages. it will consist of [F][random bits][message]. 1783835;1518620942;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 22:06 diana_coman: in other issues: rfc on oaep for tmsr, see http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-124596 1783836;1518620985;mircea_popescu;in this scheme, F is an 11 byte construct, as follows : [byte, random][bytem size][bytem size][T][M][S][R][-][R][S][A] 1783837;1518621025;mircea_popescu;the sizes note the message size, which is to say how many bits to lop off the end. this has specific benefits over the (deeply inept) scheme gpg currently uses ; they'll be discussed in the usual diana_coman post on the topic. 1783838;1518621087;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/shooting-outside-usg-nsa-fort-meade/ << Qntra - Shooting Outside USG.NSA Fort Meade 1783839;1518621097;mircea_popescu;which brings the following point home : it's not at all http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783553 ; it's very much that the republic doesn't actually have the intellectual capacity to handle the needs of its immense capital, as of yet. 1783840;1518621097;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 17:54 diana_coman: in other words this can be put as: tmsr's l1 atm is not big enough yet to support an isp of its own 1783841;1518621113;mircea_popescu;"not big enough" a brain, not "not big enough a stomach". 1783842;1518621184;mircea_popescu;or in more pointed terms, we've been running a http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ except for brains. the reaction in the population has been comparable. it turns out about as many people have brains as girls have tits. and they're about as intellectually useful, too! 1783843;1518621601;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783607 << speaking of which, i guess it can't hurt to mention SCIENTIFIC STUDIES! http://trilema.com/2011/sa-bem-in-gura/ 1783844;1518621601;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 00:00 mod6: Happy Valentines Day, TMSR~. <3 1783845;1518621920;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783834 << worse yet ( or better?? ) i do not even have 'blather' to add to this, i never solved yet the 'padding' problem at all. 1783846;1518621920;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 15:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783585 << continuing on this discussion (not so as to improperly call asciilifeform 's usual dithery blather such ; but for the record, that a discussion was at least ~attempted~) : s.mg boardroom eventually decided yesterday to employ a format for the pre-padded rsa messages. it will consist of [F][random bits][message]. 1783847;1518621968;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783839 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783559 1783848;1518621968;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 15:11 mircea_popescu: which brings the following point home : it's not at all http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783553 ; it's very much that the republic doesn't actually have the intellectual capacity to handle the needs of its immense capital, as of yet. 1783849;1518621968;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 17:58 diana_coman: yes, how big is not a head count strictly of course; put it as how powerful if that is clearer 1783850;1518621986;mircea_popescu;quite. 1783851;1518622124;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783752 << don't regexp match, it's liable to come to the same sort of result in all future applications also. 1783852;1518622124;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 07:40 ave1: I seem to have tripped over the name *foundation* 1783853;1518622167;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: since you mentioned it -- what exactly is a 'bytem' ? 1783854;1518622176;mircea_popescu;my typoing byte, 1783855;1518622180;asciilifeform;aaok 1783856;1518622229;mircea_popescu;the 8 fixed bytes are intended to permit future extension, if needed. there's no hard requirement they be set to the default values, user can also set them randomly if he prefers. 1783857;1518622422;mod6;Good Morning! 1783858;1518622435;*;mod6 scrolls back 1783859;1518622436;asciilifeform;guten morgen mod6 1783860;1518622629;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783763 << The details are in progress. We're first trying to simply keep the lights on. 1783861;1518622629;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 10:40 diana_coman: mod6, mind giving a bit more detail regarding the business+technical side? 1783862;1518622637;mod6;PAGING jurov 1783863;1518622733;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783767 << Ok thanks :] We're planning on having management of BingoBoingo ; the details are in the works. 1783864;1518622733;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 14:15 mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm not against you taking over ; but mind that as you also mention, BingoBoingo 's problem wasn't lack of access to capital (i dunno why this keeps being the expectation, as it's scarcely yet been the case, we're drastically overcapitalized is the entire fucking problem to begin with). BingoBoingo 's problem was lack of access to middle management, and it nigh on killed him. so for this to work, that's the key element. 1783865;1518622796;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783768 << Well, we figured a fresh start would be best for all involved. Although, other arrangements can be considerd too - such as customer credit if so desired. 1783866;1518622796;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 14:18 mircea_popescu: that aside, i don't necessarily want to be paid cash or anything ; carry the same http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 on the books alongside whatever you're adding via the foundation and it'll be fine. 1783867;1518623347;mod6;mircea_popescu: I'd like to see S.NSA's equipment come down to .uy and be also a customer. 1783868;1518623518;mircea_popescu;alright. 1783869;1518623542;mod6;Wonderful. :] 1783870;1518623579;mircea_popescu;mod6 if you'd rather pay cash, that's also fine. !!pay mircea_popescu .8 at your leisure 1783871;1518623598;mod6;Aha, ok. Thank you, Sir. 1783872;1518624729;asciilifeform;quasi-relatedly, seems like BingoBoingo has already not 1 but 2 working and synced trb nodez 1783873;1518624732;asciilifeform;i somehow missed this 1783874;1518624796;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It is one bitcoind instance talking outta two ips. 1783875;1518625469;mircea_popescu;pretty vool. 1783876;1518625471;mircea_popescu;cool* 1783877;1518625777;BingoBoingo;It turns out trb doesn't bind to a port. Thusly if you change the myip parameter other boxes will talk to it on the old ip out of habit in addition to the new. 1783878;1518625993;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at the risk of pedantry , it binds indeed to a port, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1174 , BUT! , does not bind ~to one ip~ , http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1206 1783879;1518625997;asciilifeform;prolly oughta be fixed. 1783880;1518626010;BingoBoingo;Ah 1783881;1518626034;BingoBoingo;The pedantry in this case is appreciated. 1783882;1518626036;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: congrats incidentally on uncovering the must-fix-itude of this 1783883;1518626074;mircea_popescu;not so clear why it needs to be fixed ? 1783884;1518626076;BingoBoingo;Not necessarily a must fix. We have a cheap and easy hack to fill a fuckton of ip space if necessary. 1783885;1518626078;mircea_popescu;i've been usinfg it for years. 1783886;1518626096;asciilifeform;i also using for years. but suppose you wanted to run two instances of trb on one box, on separate ips. 1783887;1518626112;mircea_popescu;why ? 1783888;1518626119;asciilifeform;(why, is separate q : perhaps a testing trb, and a classical trb ? ) 1783889;1518626134;mircea_popescu;the concept of separation here is meaningless. 1783890;1518626144;mircea_popescu;even if you do so run two, you still want both to see the whole "pool" 1783891;1518626144;asciilifeform;fact of the matter is that all reasonably well-behaved socket proggies take a config as to where to bind 1783892;1518626156;asciilifeform;rather than 'bahahaha i'ma take up whole box' 1783893;1518626158;mircea_popescu;apparently not. 1783894;1518626166;mircea_popescu;the concept of "separation" is not useful. 1783895;1518626206;asciilifeform;what's the use of plugging >1 ip addr into a box, if all the proggies get served on all of'em 1783896;1518626218;mircea_popescu;that the heathens can't discern how many boxes 1783897;1518626222;mircea_popescu;strictly, STRICTLY that. 1783898;1518626230;asciilifeform;but in this case , observe, they ~can~ 1783899;1518626235;mircea_popescu;you didn't. 1783900;1518626240;BingoBoingo;Only because it has been mentioned 1783901;1518626251;asciilifeform;( i didn't bother to. but eventually would notice that when one is hanging, so is other ) 1783902;1518626265;mircea_popescu;maybe bad switch 1783903;1518626302;asciilifeform;similarly a heathen could get himself malleused and notice that both 'separate' nodes simultaneously disconnect him 1783904;1518626328;BingoBoingo;Ironically when I tried to force bitcoind onto one ip through an iptables rule that did make it hang. Since I stopped trying that it hasn't hung. 1783905;1518626350;asciilifeform;at any rate this is an easy patch if somebody finds a reason to patch it. 1783906;1518626366;BingoBoingo; similarly a heathen could get himself malleused and notice that both 'separate' nodes simultaneously disconnect him << At this point heathen is expending effort 1783907;1518626449;BingoBoingo;Anyways patch might be to introduce a bindip= param in the .config 1783908;1518626938;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783842 << BingoBoingo needs supervision and tasking at a (micro-)scale that mircea_popescu understandably has zero interest in providing. now this may be a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783173, but if building an isp for tmsr isn't worth bleeding for i don't know what is and so this is the breach into which i intend to step. 1783909;1518626938;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 15:13 mircea_popescu: or in more pointed terms, we've been running a http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ except for brains. the reaction in the population has been comparable. it turns out about as many people have brains as girls have tits. and they're about as intellectually useful, too! 1783910;1518626938;a111;Logged on 2018-02-10 15:16 mircea_popescu: i'll be here an hour later. so will be here the fact the latter approach is well known and THOROUGHLY documented to cause shocking failure in otherwise well meaning, intelligent and respectable kids. that's ~the whole history of early bitcoin. 1783911;1518627235;mircea_popescu;so good for you. 1783912;1518627245;mircea_popescu;wasn't this your previous employment also, iirc ? 1783913;1518627263;ben_vulpes;ayup. 1783914;1518627285;mircea_popescu;how bad can things possibly turn out. 1783915;1518627306;ben_vulpes;ave1 seems to think i'll need a new key 1783916;1518627310;ben_vulpes;but i dunno about that 1783917;1518627317;mircea_popescu;you do ? 1783918;1518627336;ben_vulpes;oh i'm just ribbing him for last night 1783919;1518627354;mircea_popescu;if you're a smart guy, you just use this to prop castle ben_vulpes into existence. you two need a place to confer, and it doesn't properly belong here unless there's some kind of larger problem, so for day to day ops... you gotr a fodder. 1783920;1518627368;ben_vulpes;aha 1783921;1518627704;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It was the thought behind suggesting ben_vulpes for that role here, after the results of send a Librarian to South America... some decisions probably gotta get more conservative http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783781 1783922;1518627704;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 14:27 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes might be able to supply middle management if he takes an active interest in this venture. But as per http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/#comment-114709 I would like to see new management present at least one plan where they envision keeping the corpse warm for a month and pulling the plug if they find it unfeasible in a way that allows BingoBoingo to survive in a position no wosre than 1783923;1518628158;mircea_popescu;cool. 1783924;1518629807;TomServo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783801 << Understood. Blog is on the short list. 1783925;1518629807;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 14:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783483 << the correct approach is to make up for lost time by helping us become familiar with you (in the sense of your history -- there is no other you than what you do). 1783926;1518629865;TomServo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783810 << Coincidentally, this is my real name, aha. Which is also on the list, getting new key under real name. 1783927;1518629865;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 14:49 mircea_popescu: yet i can't tell him from adam. 1783928;1518630367;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/jpIIm << possible qntra material. usg excommunicates-from-usd 2nd largest bank of latvia for disobedience 1783929;1518630410;asciilifeform;'...institutionalized money laundering as a pillar of the bank’s business practices. Illicit financial activity at the bank includes transactions for parties connected to UN-designated entities, some of which are involved in North Korea...' etc etc 1783930;1518630494;ben_vulpes;i have one 1U slot open in my next courier run to .uy, if anyone wants their machine couriered down speak NOW or i'm going to fill it with a box of my choice 1783931;1518630518;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: also hilarious was the wank in pantsuit news recently about omfg nk made so much money evading sanctions and who would evade sanctions! 1783932;1518630567;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this 1 slot, this is after 2 (of 3 queued) snsa crates ? 1783933;1518630669;ben_vulpes;well you've got the 1 machine that's ready to ship right now, dulap yhes? and then of the 2 remaining diskless gotta a) get disk in 'em and b) get mircea_popescu to okay their installation 1783934;1518630692;ben_vulpes;so it's 1 slot after 1 of 3 s.nsa machines; let's fill it with another s.nsa machine. 1783935;1518630730;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you ordered these boxes from asciilifeform and then threw hands up over the whole thing; still want them disked and racked any preference on which? 1783936;1518630842;asciilifeform;1 (dulap) disked; other 2 want disks ( can be filled within 2-3 days after mp writes in re what he wants in'em ) 1783937;1518630914;ben_vulpes;so asciilifeform you see why i'm advertising the slot? 1783938;1518630950;asciilifeform;and additionally if he wants FGs in the 2, how many in each ( the max that fits comfortably is 2 ) , and they must then be subtracted from the inventory. 1783939;1518630965;asciilifeform;!!up jurov_moving 1783940;1518630966;deedbot;jurov_moving voiced for 30 minutes. 1783941;1518630971;ben_vulpes;ohai jurov 1783942;1518630983;jurov_moving;hi! 1783943;1518630992;asciilifeform;dare i to ask, where'ya moving to, jurov_moving , and from where ? 1783944;1518631038;jurov_moving;Bought a house for btc back in october, this week we're finally moving. 1783945;1518631045;asciilifeform;aa neat 1783946;1518631074;ben_vulpes;settled in btc even? 1783947;1518631102;jurov_moving;Yep. 1783948;1518631107;ben_vulpes;what a time to be alive 1783949;1518631133;ben_vulpes;hey would you be so kind as to push 3.3 btc of foundation funds to mod6's deedbot account? 1783950;1518631183;jurov_moving;Yes, will try to get to my wallet asap. Please make signed request, btw. 1783951;1518631226;ben_vulpes;ty jurov_moving 1783952;1518631453;ben_vulpes;jurov_moving: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1DTwp/?raw=true 1783953;1518631855;lobbes;Congrats on house jurov_moving 1783954;1518631861;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783926 <<  I'd say this one is more of a personal preference. I guess if you're going to start fresh now would be a good time, but personally I've never seen  "handle=realname" as so important as to warrant breaking wot continuity. 1783955;1518631861;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 17:37 TomServo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783810 << Coincidentally, this is my real name, aha. Which is also on the list, getting new key under real name. 1783956;1518631886;lobbes;Can always just state realname in logs/blog and point to it when asked. (speaking of which, I realize I never have done this. So, for the logs, my real name is Eric Benevides) 1783957;1518632112;TomServo;lobbes: Continuity break? As I understood there was a (perhaps annoying to trinque) process for renewing keys. 1783958;1518632152;ben_vulpes;TomServo: you're talking about updating the nonsense "name" field on your kochrsa key? 1783959;1518632172;TomServo;ben_vulpes: I'm talking about changing my irc handle, such as yourself. 1783960;1518632199;asciilifeform;a number of folx changed handles, it doesn't break anything 1783961;1518632293;TomServo;Wouldn't a FG powered kochrsa be preferred over no FG? 1783962;1518632383;ben_vulpes;what do *you* prefer, TomServo 1783963;1518632419;TomServo;That would be my preference, but if you're telling me there is no benefit in it, I wouldn't bother. 1783964;1518632480;lobbes;For some reason I had the delusion that handle and key were inexorably linked in deedbot. I stand corrected 1783965;1518632588;lobbes;So I guess only "breakage" here would be in log only, which wouldn't be a breakage at all to those paying attention 1783966;1518632719;ben_vulpes;TomServo: not saying no benefit, would actually be a great thing to do and write up: "so you want to fuckgoats your gpg" 1783967;1518632768;trinque;there is no process for changing the key-nick relationship other than asking me pretty please 1783968;1518632782;trinque;and the volume of these does not merit automation, and there are significant downsides to automating it. 1783969;1518632796;trinque;wise folks will pick both a nick and key they can live with. 1783970;1518632907;asciilifeform;fwiw i never felt any urge to change nick. it is short enuff and if someone laughs at it it does me no harm. i sign my posts with human name fwiw. 1783971;1518633043;TomServo;I think a new key is neccessary in my case and figured if changing nicks, that'd be the time. 1783972;1518633085;TomServo;ben_vulpes: Surprised this has not been done. I'll add to the (geological!) list. 1783973;1518633090;trinque;ah, in which case can just register it 1783974;1518633135;TomServo;trinque: and forego any existing ratings? 1783975;1518633252;trinque;well, I open that up to the forum. they rated "TomServo" with key K1. TomServo comes along and demonstrates to me that he controls both K1 and K2, and wants to transfer ratings to K2 under $newNick. 1783976;1518633300;TomServo;Perhaps I misremember, didnt' asciilifeform renew a key and maintain ratings? 1783977;1518633313;asciilifeform;TomServo: i still have same modulus as when first tuned in 1783978;1518633320;TomServo;ah 1783979;1518633342;asciilifeform;no fewer than 3 times submitted 'updated' gpg pub with new date ( finally got tired of this, put in a null date ) 1783980;1518633358;trinque;TomServo: I have so far made an exception for the fig-leaf expiration field, with the understanding that this exception goes away when P 1783981;1518633396;trinque;they're not of the same form though; this is "trinque is now trusted to do arbitrary swaps between keys and ratings" 1783982;1518633410;trinque;and I'm dim on wanting to make that a "feature" 1783983;1518633428;TomServo;Makes sense. 1783984;1518633430;trinque;undermines that you are *THAT MODULUS* 1783985;1518633440;asciilifeform;trinque: imho it would be reasonable for you to charge something, for the labour of modulus swap 1783986;1518633455;trinque;isn't the labor involved 1783987;1518633468;trinque;it's what the meaning of holding a particular key is. 1783988;1518633482;TomServo;exception goes away, meaning folks are generally expected to make a new key when P exists? 1783989;1518633503;trinque;oughta be able to import parameters neh? 1783990;1518633520;trinque;I pgpdump the db and extract them on my end, seamless transition 1783991;1518633566;trinque;TomServo: not saying people are expected to do any particular thing yet 1783992;1518633567;asciilifeform;i for one intend to retire the modulus i made on kochian prng. 1783993;1518633589;trinque;that's what "open that up to the forum" means 1783994;1518633768;trinque;TomServo: how will folks that rated you under one nick and key know that I (hypothetically) moved your ratings to another nick and key 1783995;1518633795;trinque;I think when you start enumerating those kinds of cases, there are many, and it's the sort of systemd hair we're familiar with. 1783996;1518633802;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1783997;1518633802;trinque;I am now damned to manage every exception 1783998;1518633825;asciilifeform;trinque: consider one possible cut of the knot : people to rate moduli, not nicks 1783999;1518633840;asciilifeform;( i.e. the pov that nick is merely a convenient method of referring to a key . ) 1784000;1518633843;trinque;I'm clearly leaning towards that they rate keys, yes 1784001;1518633856;asciilifeform;it seems to me to be The Right Thing 1784002;1518633882;asciilifeform;nick is clothes worn by a key. 1784003;1518633884;trinque;indeed. and moving them to another meaningless. your friends like you, they'll rate you again. 1784004;1518633898;trinque;if not, what was the point of the rating? a merit badge? 1784005;1518633905;asciilifeform;well the friends who still live. 1784006;1518633917;trinque;can keep the historic key too and tell the grandkids remember when 1784007;1518633932;asciilifeform;( there was an old mp thread tho, about this, where he convincingly argued that only live people matter in re ratings ) 1784008;1518634064;trinque;there's also the interesting question of what wot ratings look like in a gossipd world. yes, I will still warehouse my repository of wot data, but I'd also be happy to chatter ratings to other nodes. 1784009;1518634097;trinque;that can either be a simple protocol, or a complex one with key history and whatever other nonsense gets dreamed up. 1784010;1518634114;trinque;I think simple's right. 1784011;1518634117;asciilifeform;whatever else is done -- simple protocols are best. 1784012;1518634158;asciilifeform;( but trick is, simple ~when seen as a whole~, rather than 'html-simple' where the building block is simply very dumb and to do anything even slightly complicated on it, requires herculean effort ) 1784013;1518634173;asciilifeform;think back to the 'commonlisp vs scheme' wars. 1784014;1518634187;trinque;indeed, only so simple as completeness allows. 1784015;1518634250;asciilifeform;relatedly i burned much time on graphics-generators but in the end threw all out, ended up writing ch10's physical diagrams in ordinary htm 1784016;1518634266;asciilifeform;( as painted 'table's) 1784017;1518634996;mod6;The band is all back together! 1784018;1518634998;mod6;Nice. 1784019;1518635028;mod6;trinque: do I need to do anything to get setup for jurov's tx to my deedbot acct? I've never set it up ... 1784020;1518637043;jurov;!!help 1784021;1518637043;lobbesbot;jurov: Sent 1 day, 0 hours, and 6 minutes ago: plox to ping mod6 once ya get the chance 1784022;1518637044;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1784023;1518637126;mod6;Hi. 1784024;1518637166;jurov;Hello. Looking up how to obtain BB's address. 1784025;1518637208;mod6;I'm not sure if I need to setup anything for my deedbot acct. 1784026;1518637209;jurov;Or I must deposit to my wallet first? 1784027;1518637216;mod6;I dunno either :D 1784028;1518637220;mod6;!!balance 1784029;1518637221;jurov;!!deposit 3.3 1784030;1518637224;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1tuLM/?raw=true 1784031;1518637227;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/N1mF2/?raw=true 1784032;1518637256;mod6;Whoops, sorry. Don't know who's is who's. 1784033;1518637291;mod6;trinque: halp. 1784034;1518637387;jurov;Perhaps i can send to BB's address directly? I don't like mixing up foundations funds with my own deedbot wallet anyway. 1784035;1518637400;mod6;lemme find it here... 1784036;1518637439;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783949 << I think if you can somehow get it into my account, then I can have whomever invoice me or what not. 1784037;1518637439;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 17:58 ben_vulpes: hey would you be so kind as to push 3.3 btc of foundation funds to mod6's deedbot account? 1784038;1518637522;ben_vulpes;mod6: if you make a deposit call, can you give jurov the address and amount to send? 1784039;1518637572;jurov;I know Bingo's 1Ewe... addy but he best confirm he still has the privkey 1784040;1518637604;jurov;Or whatever addy ben_vulpes/mod6 send me signed, ofc. 1784041;1518637611;ben_vulpes;jurov: hang on, deposit to mod6's account 1784042;1518637614;mod6;ben_vulpes: I probably can later indeed. I've never used this before, need trinque to help here. 1784043;1518637672;ben_vulpes;mod6: run !!deposit 3.3 , decrypt it and send the results to jurov 1784044;1518637688;mod6;Alright. I can do that a bit later. 1784045;1518637701;ben_vulpes;jurov will then send the exact quoted amount to that addr and bob's your aunt we should be fine 1784046;1518637719;mod6;Probably will have to wait until tomorrow for Jurov to make the actual tx since it's probably getting late there for him. 1784047;1518637737;ben_vulpes;we can run it async, just paste him the deets encrypted 1784048;1518637741;jurov;I'm ready to do it now 1784049;1518637749;ben_vulpes;jurov: i'm guessing mod6 is away from his keys 1784050;1518637755;ben_vulpes;i'll do it, standby one 1784051;1518637762;ben_vulpes;!!deposit 3.3 1784052;1518637765;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/finGQ/?raw=true 1784053;1518637802;ben_vulpes;!!v D2AD376C41204078EEB33F217EBD9010D5255241FF9402E4EC6928672DD9556C 1784054;1518637806;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oO5pe/?raw=true 1784055;1518637885;ben_vulpes;jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IkLKO/?raw=true 1784056;1518637963;jurov;ben_vulpes: got it 1784057;1518638154;mod6;Thanks guys! 1784058;1518638303;BingoBoingo;And irony of monkey fucking ironies. Guess who has a local bank account today. BRB, tengo una leccion de Español (not a euphamism). 1784059;1518638343;mod6;Omg, YAY! 1784060;1518638416;jurov;28c40c57945cc5b8f760caaa4d7e773815d460a4d5550f499e48bbe8702737d2 1784061;1518638511;jurov;any other urgent demands on Teh Treasury? 1784062;1518638591;jurov;congrats BingoBoingo! 1784063;1518638685;jurov;Aaand, how actually the BISP deal works? Is the Foundation now owner? 1784064;1518640424;deedbot;ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m8tFP/?raw=true 1784065;1518640484;mod6;jurov: We're working out the details on that. Good question though. 1784066;1518640948;ben_vulpes;ty jurov 1784067;1518640953;ben_vulpes;neat shit trinque 1784068;1518641844;trinque;ty 1784069;1518648181;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/dead-maze-the-game/ << Trilema - Dead Maze, the game 1784070;1518659843;mod6;!~calc (4000000*.06) / 60 / 60 / 24 1784071;1518659868;mod6;!Qcalc (4000000*.06) / 60 / 60 / 24 1784072;1518659868;lobbesbot;mod6: 2.77777777778 1784073;1518659928;mod6;asciilifeform: Started that perf test lastnight @ about 12am. should take ~2.7 days to complete. 1784074;1518659961;mod6;at midnight tonight, one whole day will have gone by. 1784075;1518659969;mod6;1.7 days remaining. 1784076;1518665846;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-ladies-man/ << Trilema - The Ladies Man 1784077;1518708766;mod6;Mornin' 1784078;1518711022;trinque;how goes mod6 1784079;1518711274;mod6;hey trinque, alright. you? 1784080;1518712940;mod6;hola shinohai 1784081;1518712985;shinohai;hola mod6 .... FINALLY got gcc4.9.4 working and built proper gpg 1784082;1518713007;mod6;\ o / 1784083;1518713048;shinohai;I think this is the best gentoo I've put together yet .... lappy boots in < 1 minute now 1784084;1518713071;mod6;congrats 1784085;1518713095;shinohai;How goes on your end today? 1784086;1518713122;mod6;Alright! 1784087;1518713209;shinohai;Now I have like 2-3 days of logs to catch up on, been buried in man pages for past 72 hours. 1784088;1518713228;mod6;werd 1784089;1518713804;asciilifeform;oh congrats shinohai 1784090;1518713813;asciilifeform;shinohai: this was a musltronic gcc or which 1784091;1518713835;shinohai;Nah, I haven't graduated to musltronics yet unfortunately :/ 1784092;1518714040;asciilifeform;shinohai: what was the challenge then ? this was a box that came with an evil gcc originally ? 1784093;1518714105;shinohai;Yup, had newer gcc and I was unfamiliar with gcc-config until now. Had only ever used a single instance. 1784094;1518714109;asciilifeform;aa 1784095;1518715308;mod6;!Qticker --market-al 1784096;1518715311;mod6;!Qticker --market-all 1784097;1518715320;mod6;!Qticker --market all 1784098;1518715362;shinohai;bot lacks ticker :/ 1784099;1518715371;mod6;ah, alright. np 1784100;1518715420;lobbes;What shinohai said. lobbesbot still lacks: ticker, google search, and translate 1784101;1518715453;lobbes;But should have the rest of the usual supybot-type commands 1784102;1518715543;mod6;cool lobbes. Was a shot in the dark. :] 1784103;1518720729;shinohai;sbcl.org "Project web is currently offline pending the final migration of its data to our new datacenter." 1784104;1518720733;shinohai;heh 1784105;1518722224;BingoBoingo;lulz that landed in my inbox from back home https://dailyegyptian.com/79217/showcase/usg-president-impeached-vote-of-no-confidence-for-chancellor-carlo-montemagno/ 1784106;1518722743;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the world of shitware, https://archive.is/NPY51 >> irssi: 'Use after free when server is disconnected during netsplits', 'Use after free when SASL messages are received in unexpected order', 'Null pointer dereference when an "empty" nick has been observed by Irssi', a few others in same spirit 1784107;1518723043;asciilifeform;in other not-quite-noose, not only is zoolag unfailingly in sync, but today had personal record broken, 31 peers. 1784108;1518723175;shinohai;http://archive.is/G5hdG <<< I wonder if wikileaks will leak the leaks ? 1784109;1518723492;asciilifeform;complete with Framedragger's gurl, 'Manning’s friend Isis Lovecruft, a cryptographer and Tor developer, as well as a WikiLeaks critic' etc 1784110;1518724629;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mKCeD/?raw=true 1784111;1518727135;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/15/eucrypt-chapter-10-oaep-with-keccak-a-la-tmsr/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 10: OAEP with Keccak a la TMSR 1784112;1518733518;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/acute-pantsuit-inconsistency-shows-internal-disregard-for-their-illusion-of-franchise/ << Qntra - Acute Pantsuit Inconsistency Shows Internal Disregard For Their Illusion of "Franchise" 1784113;1518733527;BingoBoingo;^ ty alf 1784114;1518734316;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: *in place of* meant to be bold script 1784115;1518734319;asciilifeform;otherwise ok 1784116;1518734450;asciilifeform;also prolly oughtta "hanging chads"e-ballot 1784117;1518734458;asciilifeform;( hanging chads were the feature of 2000 election ) 1784118;1518734707;mod6;aha 1784119;1518734830;BingoBoingo;tyvm fxd 1784120;1518734842;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo 1784121;1518734907;BingoBoingo;I read your brevity as sufficient editorial to hammer the cognitive dissonance here on the subject. Well done. 1784122;1518735236;ben_vulpes;also first blockquote missing a closequote 1784123;1518735305;BingoBoingo;ty 1784124;1518735412;asciilifeform;!~later tell ave1 so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything 1784125;1518735419;asciilifeform;um 1784126;1518735422;asciilifeform;bot dead ? 1784127;1518735511;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1784128;1518735515;asciilifeform;grr 1784129;1518735683;shinohai;asciilifeform: will be back soon (tm) 1784130;1518735784;lobbes;asciilifeform: can use !Qlater tell in meantime 1784131;1518735842;asciilifeform;!Qlater tell ave1 so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything 1784132;1518735842;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1784133;1518735845;asciilifeform;ty lobbes 1784134;1518736374;BingoBoingo;In other developments This week the residential bums around Montevideo Shopping have started addressing me as "Maestro" rather than "Amigo" when I walk by. The first time was Tuesday, then it happened again twice yesterday with different bums. Will advise how this situation develops. 1784135;1518736426;asciilifeform;hm this could be problem, possibly yer clothes look foreign, BingoBoingo , need local rags 1784136;1518736618;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, my clothes are the same. Just fit looser. And these are the same bums I have been seeing since December. So far harmless except for the time in January a less frequent one got insistent beyond his station and was corrected by his fellow bums. 1784137;1518736646;asciilifeform;then nfi 1784138;1518736762;BingoBoingo;Could be the recent ordeals has given me a harder appearance and manner of carriage? Or possibly the lower castes of orcs are developing a mythology. 1784139;1518737338;shinohai;"A gringo that it is constantly sober, his skin must be magic!" 1784140;1518737590;BingoBoingo;My habitually exposed skin has actually tanned deeper here than most of the locals', but I am preserving my tan lines for the status symbol they are. 1784141;1518744144;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWGHJ2SVQAAgdaZ.jpg <<< hilarious 1784142;1518744190;shinohai;Not that I'm going to waste time asking the schmuck how running full node lets me censor tx's 1784143;1518744744;mod6;My node has been caught up for over 15 days, and looking good. I've added it to the Republican Trusted Node List; http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html 1784144;1518744821;shinohai;Nice mod6 ! 1784145;1518744870;shinohai;Now we can censor ever so many more transactions together! 1784146;1518744881;mod6;haha 1784147;1518744888;mod6;ty 1784148;1518745396;mod6;These scammers just keep doubling down, huh. 1784149;1518745797;shinohai;Sadly, they cannot make any real arguments *against* running fully-validating node. So whatever fud sticks I suppose. 1784150;1518745817;mod6;Yeah, but that cocksucker from LTC too huh. 1784151;1518745843;mod6;Scammers gonna scam. 1784152;1518745892;shinohai;Well he has lots of experience, having worked for Conbase and creating first real shitcoin. 1784153;1518745903;shinohai;At least NMC has a use somewhat. 1784154;1518745909;mod6;Ahh. 1784155;1518746003;shinohai;Also was a strong voice behind "Hey you Bitcoiners are gonna miss out if you don't integrate segwit" shit. 1784156;1518746164;mod6;mmhmm 1784157;1518788761;shinohai;gm trilema 1784158;1518789411;BingoBoingo;Mornin' shinohai 1784159;1518789451;shinohai;Buenas dias BingoBoingo .... Qntra incoming in about an hour. 1784160;1518789462;BingoBoingo;Bueno, gracias. 1784161;1518790768;shinohai;BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/EtRw3/?raw=true 1784162;1518790817;shinohai;Plox feel free to edit as I have not advanced beyond first cup of coffee yet. 1784163;1518791216;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/coinbase-fiat-side-glitch-opens-butts-for-hurts/ << Qntra - CoinBase Fiat Side Glitch Opens Butts For Hurts 1784164;1518792685;mod6;mornin' TSMR~ 1784165;1518793699;shinohai;Heya mod6 how goes? 1784166;1518793715;mod6;Oh not too bad. How about you? 1784167;1518793785;shinohai;Pretty good here, gonna do an offline V test in a bit once I get a few more things squared away. 1784168;1518793994;mod6;Hey, cool! Let me know how it goes/have Q's. 1784169;1518806251;mod6;asciilifeform: I did check if that the perf test was still running -- it was this am. I think it should finish sometime today. 1784170;1518806258;asciilifeform;mod6: neat 1784171;1518806775;ben_vulpes;and in maxint schadenfreude: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/02/can-uber-ever-deliver-part-thirteen-even-4q-cost-cuts-uber-lost-4-5-billion-2017.html 1784172;1518809982;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/former-fbi-director-prepares-constitutional-crisis-in-united-states-with-indictments/ << Qntra - Former FBI Director Prepares Constitutional Crisis In United States With Indictments 1784173;1518820320;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/mr-dilworthy-falls-in-some-bad-company/ << Trilema - Mr. Dilworthy falls in some bad company. 1784174;1518833431;mod6;evenin' 1784175;1518833527;ben_vulpes;heya mod6 1784176;1518833901;mod6;how goes! 1784177;1518833931;*;mod6 is working on wrapping up all the things for V 99993 1784178;1518836420;mod6;asciilifeform: ok it's done! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HUSEX/?raw=true 1784179;1518836437;*;mod6 also lulz @ HUSEX 1784180;1518836493;shinohai;hue 1784181;1518837035;mircea_popescu;why hello #trilema! 1784182;1518837056;shinohai;o hai mircea_popescu ! 1784183;1518837064;mircea_popescu;how goes ? 1784184;1518837069;shinohai;Buenas noches y feliz Viernes 1784185;1518837099;shinohai;Good here, and you? 1784186;1518837108;mircea_popescu;not bad! 1784187;1518837484;mircea_popescu;diana_coman "took me twice as long" ? 1784188;1518837687;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo www.qntra.net 404s, should prolly just redirect. 1784189;1518837769;mod6;mircea_popescu! 1784190;1518837774;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1784191;1518837834;mod6;just sayin 'hi 1784192;1518837854;mircea_popescu;hola 1784193;1518838004;mircea_popescu;hm mod6 did i miss a payment or what happened here ? 1784194;1518838109;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: nah, let me take care of that. 0.8 it was? 1784195;1518838184;mircea_popescu;yea 1784196;1518838186;ben_vulpes;!!pay mircea_popescu 0.8 1784197;1518838190;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/riedu/?raw=true 1784198;1518838195;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun! 1784199;1518838215;mircea_popescu;so BingoBoingo finally got his bank acct huh ! 1784200;1518838236;ben_vulpes;!!v FE62C1A6B3D703CEB2F058D90938A452801E95F7DCBC03825D763D80E3F7C9DA 1784201;1518838239;deedbot;ben_vulpes paid mircea_popescu 0.8 1784202;1518838250;mircea_popescu;ty ben_vulpes 1784203;1518838292;ben_vulpes;aha ty 1784204;1518838317;*;ben_vulpes bbl, $child has announced bedtime by angrily tearing apart a couch to build a fort 1784205;1518838519;shinohai;The plot thickens on Conbase drama: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWNCbmsWsAAtvXE.jpg 1784206;1518838542;shinohai;"We were TOTALLY not responsible at all, keep sending us monies." 1784207;1518838828;mod6;thanks ben_vulpes 1784208;1518839976;ben_vulpes;!!pay mod6 0.36578854 1784209;1518839979;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IaMFY/?raw=true 1784210;1518840009;ben_vulpes;!!v EC08ABA86FC893FD5A6FCC6FB66965D075BC3B7B00C8BBE155266D7DF4D34286 1784211;1518840014;deedbot;ben_vulpes paid mod6 0.36578854 1784212;1518840030;mod6;tyvm! 1784213;1518840063;ben_vulpes;mmmmhm 1784214;1518840203;mod6;this deedbot payment system is slick asf 1784215;1518840286;mircea_popescu;word 1784216;1518840763;asciilifeform;oh hey it's mircea_popescu 1784217;1518840780;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784178 << this is veeeery interesting and i'd like to know what iron 1784218;1518840780;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 03:00 mod6: asciilifeform: ok it's done! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HUSEX/?raw=true 1784219;1518840837;asciilifeform;mod6: and it would stand to be repeated with the files swapped ( to remove effect of, e.g., just where the given sample lives on disk physically ) 1784220;1518840872;asciilifeform;mod6: fwiw i have found no consistent diff, to the 6th ( beyond that, the timer is useless ) on opteron 1784221;1518840883;asciilifeform;*6th decimal 1784222;1518840887;mod6;sure 1784223;1518840923;mod6;how do you mean 'files swapped' ? 1784224;1518840957;mod6;then hypothetically the timing values for ones and zeros should simply be reversed, no? 1784225;1518840969;asciilifeform;mod6: well ideally somehow to swap the inodes. still thinking how one might arrange such a thing. 1784226;1518840969;mod6;iron is intel core-i5 1784227;1518840978;mod6;ooh. 1784228;1518840983;asciilifeform;mod6: start however by moving the two for-loops around in your tester 1784229;1518840999;mod6;ok. 1784230;1518841083;asciilifeform;this prolly calls for a proper test with rdtsc. but i'm saving this for 'dessert' 1784231;1518841093;asciilifeform;( after errything else, that is, is done to death ) 1784232;1518841115;mod6;sure. i may want to re-run this entire thing anyway... i kinda dumbly ran this on my laptop. 1784233;1518841172;asciilifeform;ideally would want also not merely 'all 0' and 'all 1' but rng, and then to plot time vs hammingweight, and look for correlation 1784234;1518841173;mod6;i have this mule box that i strap workloads to (core2duo box) -- should be fine as long as CPU isn't saturated, and during this test, the lappy was only like at .7 load or w/e 1784235;1518841193;asciilifeform;well if it's a multicore, naturally won't saturate, proggy is singlethreaded 1784236;1518841202;mod6;oh right. 1784237;1518841265;mod6;anyway, on the mule, i never did get adacore running properly. this lappy is the only box i got adacore '16 running on thus far. 1784238;1518841282;asciilifeform;it's ok to build on one machine and run -- on other. static . 1784239;1518841301;mod6;only problem is: results aren't apples to apples. 1784240;1518841306;mod6;different hardware. 1784241;1518841316;asciilifeform;this is also ok. just be sure to write down, which iron. 1784242;1518841322;mod6;so would want baseline + deltas all on same env. 1784243;1518841363;asciilifeform;mod6: i will share my current hypothesis : all current intels have MUL leakage 1784244;1518841401;mod6;aha, was thinking that's what you were thinking. 1784245;1518841414;asciilifeform;otoh i could also be observing noise. 1784246;1518841429;mod6;statistical noise, might be. 1784247;1518841447;mircea_popescu;what is the expected gain here ? 1784248;1518841452;asciilifeform;but yes this calls for a proper test, with rdtsc, then buncha MUL, then rdtsc again 1784249;1518841477;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to find which chips one is condemned to use egyptian innerloop MUL-substitute on. 1784250;1518841501;asciilifeform;currently the 2 known inhabitants of this list are ppc and arm7 1784251;1518841505;mircea_popescu;how much is that worth ? 1784252;1518841522;asciilifeform;well it's worth the diff b/w actual constanttime and... not 1784253;1518841525;asciilifeform;i.e. leaking key. 1784254;1518841561;mircea_popescu;if you find now as opposed to whenever someone runs it, this differential is worth the difference between what and what ? 1784255;1518841597;asciilifeform;it is not in fact essential to find the answer ~now~. 1784256;1518841607;asciilifeform;i'm putting in both variants of mul, selectably. 1784257;1518841616;mircea_popescu;so what's this all about ? 1784258;1518841667;asciilifeform;mod6 tried his hand at 'tester of whether ffa really does constanttime modexp'; asciilifeform comments on 1 set of output. is all. 1784259;1518841686;asciilifeform;not earth-shaking experiment, no. 1784260;1518841706;mircea_popescu;so his spending his time making less than minimum wage for it is basically his choice, you're just talking into the internet box ? is that the logic ? 1784261;1518841758;asciilifeform;sorta like asciilifeform's spending time making no sort of wage, writing the proggy to begin with , neh 1784262;1518841768;mircea_popescu;kinda, yeh. 1784263;1518841785;asciilifeform;i do not order mod6 , 'go and make such a test', no. 1784264;1518841795;asciilifeform;nor he -- i, 'go and...' 1784265;1518841848;mircea_popescu;what's that do ? 1784266;1518841853;mod6;yeah, no. it's fine. i was happy to build/run. to me this is all very exciting/important stuff. back when alf was doing the karatsuba and other things in the late summer/fall, this type of thing started to be contimplated for innerloop substitute. 1784267;1518841876;mircea_popescu;mod6 you are talking to a man who spent his time dicking about and as a result is getting delorded. 1784268;1518841881;mod6;i think we may need some good data collected to come up with a list of arch's that leak 1784269;1518841895;mircea_popescu;if you copy his style of "work", you'll be doing yourself a significant disservice. 1784270;1518841912;mod6;mircea_popescu: well, never the less, I'm still very much behind the utility of ffa 1784271;1518841934;mircea_popescu;yes, but meanwhile you're engaged with bbisp, which costs $$$ each month. 1784272;1518841943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: negrate, whatchawaiting for ? 1784273;1518841959;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform separate items. 1784274;1518841964;mod6;mircea_popescu: well, sure. I have a lot of things going on tho lol. 1784275;1518841974;mircea_popescu;you're just inept, not dishonest. 1784276;1518841983;mod6;I get your meaning though. 1784277;1518841990;mircea_popescu;mod6 yes but if you don't sort them by time-productivity you'll end up in the soup. 1784278;1518841993;asciilifeform;it's entirely fine afaik to negrate honest people 1784279;1518842001;asciilifeform;e.g. -10 i hate his face 1784280;1518842023;mircea_popescu;not how i go about it. 1784281;1518842399;asciilifeform;oh while mircea_popescu is tuned in: bisp ( of which asciilifeform is 50% in ) awaits instructions re disposition of the 3 mircea_popescu boxen 1784282;1518842513;mircea_popescu;iirc a) they were nsa boxes and b) the problem there was transportation, after you managed to get them locked out of the phf flight that ended up not happening 1784283;1518842559;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: transport has been arranged. what remains is 1) mircea_popescu wants'em in ? if so, how many (1,2,3?) 2) what type of disks he wants in #2 and #3 ( also remains option to outfit with disks at later time, after installation ) 1784284;1518842590;mircea_popescu;that doesn't say much. what exactly has been arranged, where ? 1784285;1518842646;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes is making a delivery run : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783930 1784286;1518842646;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 17:48 ben_vulpes: i have one 1U slot open in my next courier run to .uy, if anyone wants their machine couriered down speak NOW or i'm going to fill it with a box of my choice 1784287;1518842653;asciilifeform;i will let him speak re exact time. 1784288;1518842750;mircea_popescu;so how many of 1, 2 or 3 do i want to fit in a 1u slot ? 1784289;1518842775;asciilifeform;well if 1, it's a 1u subscription, if 2 -- 2u, so forth 1784290;1518842800;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's unclear to me these are even dc worthy in any sense. 1784291;1518842830;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu wants them at his house to use as boat anchor -- oughta specify this. they dun do much good here on desk. 1784292;1518842849;mircea_popescu;much like errything else. 1784293;1518842936;ben_vulpes;what's so not-dc-worthy about 'em? 1784294;1518842949;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: apparently , that asciilifeform touched'em 1784295;1518842976;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is apparently determined to maliciously run s.nsa into the ground, and pin the corpse on asciilifeform . 1784296;1518843017;asciilifeform;and yes, asciilifeform -- not quite ~yet~ stripped of his stars and epaulettes -- wishes to put this matter before the forum. 1784297;1518843030;asciilifeform;supposing we are still carrying on with a pretense of a forum, and a lordship. 1784298;1518843030;mircea_popescu;anyway. the situation is that s.nsa naively bought some iron at your recommendation at some prior point. meanwhile you refused to deliver the "here's the mega-article comparing all hardware, which will guide future republican hardware building. 1784299;1518843050;mircea_popescu;and seeing how you're the fellow who asks me how many items do i want to fit in ben_vulpes 's one item slot, i have serious doubts about your cogency anyway. 1784300;1518843066;mircea_popescu;so for now, waiting to see what bbisp decides to do re hardware, and vageuly considering getting out-of-house expertise. 1784301;1518843083;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i have nfi. could take too much power, could whatever the fuck. 1784302;1518843083;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes in point of fact allocated 2 slots for s.nsa . and was asking re whether 3rd ought to also go to it, or to another. 1784303;1518843093;mircea_popescu;we still don't have a proper item on which to base hardware strategy. 1784304;1518843104;mircea_popescu;and i wouldn't trust asciilifeform to write it now, in any case. 1784305;1518843105;asciilifeform;and the measured draw is 150W . ( as descibed in detail in the past. ) 1784306;1518843113;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu you are not a party to bisp. 1784307;1518843131;mircea_popescu;i still intend to follow their standards. 1784308;1518843132;asciilifeform;a customer (possibly ! not yet subscribed) -- yes 1784309;1518843137;mircea_popescu;what's "being a party" has to do with anything ? 1784310;1518843154;asciilifeform;asciilifeform sets the iron standards. 1784311;1518843158;mircea_popescu;nope. 1784312;1518843162;asciilifeform;aaaactually. 1784313;1518843166;mircea_popescu;in no case do you set any standards. 1784314;1518843171;mircea_popescu;that train left. 1784315;1518843203;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu , having sold his stake, and not even yet a subscriber, wishes to decree re what is done at bisp. 1784316;1518843204;mircea_popescu;i guess, perhaps, the standard for time frittering. but that's well set already, so. 1784317;1518843264;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, dja have some sort of decision yet ben_vulpes / mod6 ? are you goint to offer box rentals ? what kind ? 1784318;1518843300;asciilifeform;it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there. 1784319;1518843335;mod6;mircea_popescu: that is being discussed, yes. 1784320;1518843352;mircea_popescu;well, that was pretty dumb on their part, i guess, but whatever, experience is apparently difficult to process. 1784321;1518843352;ben_vulpes;will be renting boxes out, this first courier run is filling up with space-rental. 1784322;1518843377;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ok, but which are you buying ? or what's teh strategy exactly ? 1784323;1518843543;ben_vulpes;i want the next run to have one box with lots of ram and cpu to start selling vps and shared hosting in earnest, and another 2 of smaller boxes that can be rented out entire in the $3-400/mo range. 1784324;1518843561;mircea_popescu;yes, but the problem with "lots of x" is that... 1784325;1518843577;mircea_popescu;so basically is the idea that you'll just do whatever and we're missing this opportunity to attempt an' standardize iron ? 1784326;1518843619;ben_vulpes;standardize on number of cores or processor type? 1784327;1518843659;mircea_popescu;well... you know how we've been trying to go "here, use THIS gentoo" for a while (to maybe some results so far) ? \ 1784328;1518843668;ben_vulpes;if i say "all boxes getting racked will have 32 cores" that's a huge minimum buy that i don't know that l2 can really eat many of. 1784329;1518843674;mircea_popescu;"my computer dun werk" should have a "use this config" ready response. 1784330;1518843711;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes setting a standard doesn't mean anyone's ~forced~ to follow it. 1784331;1518843766;*;trinque doesn't recall that anybody but danielpbarron used his standard musl gentoo. 1784332;1518843772;trinque;pretty fucking annoying, that, actually. 1784333;1518843786;mircea_popescu;trinque iirc hanbot got it on a few boxes. 1784334;1518843788;trinque;I think shinohai snowflaked himself up his own recently 1784335;1518843798;trinque;mircea_popescu: cool 1784336;1518843811;mircea_popescu;anyway, the idea here is that it'd be ~nice~ if we had a complete list of these responses. "my x dun werk" "use y". 1784337;1518843837;mircea_popescu;be it os, kernel, gcc, whatever. so ideally there'd be a "this is the correct processor/ram/disk/motherboard" etc. 1784338;1518843867;mircea_popescu;in the vein computers attempted to "ibm compat", except chosen by us not by ibm. 1784339;1518844616;mircea_popescu;but getting back to the previous lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 is remarkably nutty. so you liquidate my bonds at an (avoidable) cost of .8, in exchange for a 50% equity position and... what commitment exactly ? if for instance you need money next month, what do you do ? 1784340;1518844616;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there. 1784341;1518844756;asciilifeform;wait is this a q for asciilifeform ? or for mod6 & ben_vulpes ? 1784342;1518844788;mircea_popescu;the latter. 1784343;1518844925;ben_vulpes;we've made commitments to each other; if those are reneged upon the whole world goes up in a bonfire of negrating. 1784344;1518844981;mircea_popescu;well, can't say i follow teh business logic, but hey. 1784345;1518845195;mircea_popescu;anyway. as he points out, not really much skin off my back either way. but consider that on one hand you're not exactly private investors there, seeing how fwiu you've involved the foundation's capital actually ? so you're stuck to some measure of public dealing an' tranparency as'd befit such a lofty entity in its first actual commitment ? and on the other hand, bbisp kinda depends on good public perception. 1784346;1518845427;ben_vulpes;quite! 1784347;1518845461;ben_vulpes;mod6, jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t2Tvo/?raw=true 1784348;1518845471;mircea_popescu;well anyway. i'm guessing ima read it in the monthlies or w/e. 1784349;1518845490;mod6;Yes. 1784350;1518846002;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: do you plan to rent boxes when we get them racked, or possibly colocate? 1784351;1518846038;mircea_popescu;well, in all honesty after the bizarro revelations i'm mostly waiting for said discussion, of what you intend to do etc. 1784352;1518846518;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious a long time ago that mircea_popescu just wanted you to submit. You can't block the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom. 1784353;1518846518;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there. 1784354;1518846523;lobbes;Normally I wouldn't say anything (not really my bznz) but I have a vested interest in asciilifeform existing (I learn a lot from the guy and he has done important work, what) 1784355;1518846538;asciilifeform;lobbes: you also want to get drummed out? 1784356;1518846554;lobbes;drummed out? 1784357;1518846591;asciilifeform;y'know, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784267 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784295 etc 1784358;1518846591;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 04:31 mircea_popescu: mod6 you are talking to a man who spent his time dicking about and as a result is getting delorded. 1784359;1518846591;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 04:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is apparently determined to maliciously run s.nsa into the ground, and pin the corpse on asciilifeform . 1784360;1518846704;lobbes;listen, titles are meaningless. What matters is a) resources (of which mp always had) and b) ability to be a true "enzyme" for smart folx (mp again) 1784361;1518846705;asciilifeform;lobbes: as for 'submitting', apparently it's trickier than it'd appear, i 'submitted' to the fuhrer for , what, 4yrs, and still thrown out in the end like used napkin 1784362;1518846744;asciilifeform;there comes a time, lobbes , when enzyme uncurls, stops enzyming. 1784363;1518846744;mircea_popescu;in other news my grapefruit, natural etcetera mouthwash now has a "gluten free" sticker added. 1784364;1518846757;mircea_popescu;who the fuck thinks up this shit. 1784365;1518846795;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: see also http://cascadianhacker.com/the-american-consumer-in-two-photos 1784366;1518846812;mircea_popescu;i think it's actually russian. 1784367;1518846864;mircea_popescu;a, bulgarian. 1784368;1518847008;mircea_popescu;lobbes i dunno that submission has anything to do with anything, tbh. the principal issue is that he fucked up, again, in the same way, and is sticking to this nopenopenopenope line. 1784369;1518847040;asciilifeform;also goddammit why so slow, mircea_popescu , i'm waiting for the 'de-lording' bullet, staying up past bedtime 1784370;1518847102;mircea_popescu;eh, go to bed, what's the hurry. 1784371;1518847130;asciilifeform;can you picture stalin 'eh go to bed, what's the hurry' lol 1784372;1518847181;mircea_popescu;what, there's no life after lordship ? 1784373;1518847194;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: didntcha say you weren't going to go on tilt? 1784374;1518847207;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i like to see folx finish what they start, eh 1784375;1518847264;mircea_popescu;all in all a pretty weird day. 1784376;1518847309;asciilifeform;at any rate i'ma to bed. and if mircea_popescu wants to subscribe a slot (or moar) in bisp, oughta say; and his biznis is appreciated; if not -- other potential subscribers invited to solicit for ben_vulpes's courier service. 1784377;1518847393;asciilifeform;and while i have the microphone, will say : i'ma carry on exactly same work after properly proclaimed heretic and excommunicated by mircea_popescu , as prior. 1784378;1518847409;asciilifeform;'act from causes' etc. 1784379;1518847414;mircea_popescu;this is probably the problem. 1784380;1518847534;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. this whole "potential subscribers" is easily enough said, but you've apparently created quite a credit crunch for the item. because "well, let's send bbisp a box" "what if they go under ?" "i guess we underwrite some bonds" "but they DONT WANT your bonds!" "um..." 1784381;1518847641;ben_vulpes;this is the "potential customer" underwriting bonds? 1784382;1518847656;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do you still own the corvette ? 1784383;1518847671;ben_vulpes;or somehow if the bonds are not from mircea_popescu they are not wanted 1784384;1518847679;ben_vulpes;yes, why? 1784385;1518847693;*;ben_vulpes astonished mircea_popescu remembered the brand this time 1784386;1518847694;mircea_popescu;ok. suppose you wish to travel for two weeks, and leave it in parking-storage. 1784387;1518847703;mircea_popescu;does it matter to you how well capitalised the parker-storager is ? 1784388;1518847969;ben_vulpes;yeah sure, but it'd be a foolhardy operator indeed who expected customers to underwrite bonds 1784389;1518847983;mircea_popescu;you think ? 1784390;1518848010;mircea_popescu;because it's somewhat common. your potential customer is necessarily underwriting your counterparty risk. you have unclear capital structure and unpublished "commitments to each other" ; neither of these is of the nature of reducing the cost of that counterparty risk. 1784391;1518848024;mircea_popescu;this in general, leaving aside the apparent situation whereby in my particular case your bonds are actually ~worthless, so it's not even clear how it'd solute your risk at all. 1784392;1518875377;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo www.qntra.net 404s, should prolly just redirect. << Thank you, fixed 1784393;1518875680;BingoBoingo; so BingoBoingo finally got his bank acct huh ! << The speed here... 1784394;1518876985;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784334 <<< This I did, have been running my trb node this way for some time. I do plan on trying your musl recipe, I just needed working os on my daily driver and had to go with what I know at this time. 1784395;1518876985;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 05:03 trinque: I think shinohai snowflaked himself up his own recently 1784396;1518877030;shinohai;Also, buenas dias BingoBoingo ... como te vas? 1784397;1518877123;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Bien y vos? 1784398;1518877157;shinohai;Aqui todo bien, tomando un cafecito y revisando los logs. 1784399;1518877323;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784369 << gotta say, the man wants an ISP from causes, and asked you for a specific item also from causes. 1784400;1518877323;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 05:57 asciilifeform: also goddammit why so slow, mircea_popescu , i'm waiting for the 'de-lording' bullet, staying up past bedtime 1784401;1518877351;trinque;as for submission, in my house truth is the thing submitted to, and it so happens that most of the time I hold it. 1784402;1518877394;trinque;oughta always go along with the guy who is right, and not the man who's named X. 1784403;1518877442;trinque;if you thought it was unneeded or harmful to compile a list of hardware (not just that you have, but that could be desirable) for bisp, that'd be one thing, and the proper move is to respond with that 1784404;1518877463;trinque;otherwise I'd say the guy who spent the most time writing an OS is probably the guy to assess hardware. 1784405;1518877505;trinque;and if this is resisted for what appear to be psychological reasons, the fury is well spent. 1784406;1518877547;shinohai;ah gm trinque! 1784407;1518877569;trinque;good morning shinohai 1784408;1518877587;*;trinque ftr likes asciilifeform very much, but that's his assessment of the sticky thing 1784409;1518877687;trinque;men gotta be compelled by the truth, and men holding same are wasting their life if they don't use truth to compel 1784410;1518877966;*;trinque afk til afternoon 1784411;1518879251;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784187 <- fixed, thank you 1784412;1518879251;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 03:18 mircea_popescu: diana_coman "took me twice as long" ? 1784413;1518879881;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 <- o.O ; I hope bbisp makes public soon some clear strategy and reports 1784414;1518879881;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there. 1784415;1518880923;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: The new management is working out the details for their clean takeover of the remains of BBISP as a new venture. I defer the revelation of details to management. 1784416;1518882604;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, cool 1784417;1518892945;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784373 >> part and parcel of the problem of people on tilt is that they are quite convinced they're not. asciilifeform : you are digging yourself ever-deeper into a hole for the sake of your having missed your own deadline. you're of course welcome to ignore me and everyone else --trying to help you out-- (esp. trinque's imo excellent "assessment" this morning), thereby joining the ranks of those who wouldn't li 1784418;1518892945;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 05:59 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didntcha say you weren't going to go on tilt? 1784419;1518892946;hanbot;sten. it's not a pretty place, and i have no idea why you'd want to live there. 1784420;1518893008;hanbot;meanwhile, mod6 and ben_vulpes : why are the "discussions" etc re bbisp not in the logs? is there some benefit in their being private, contrary to umpteen years of the benefits of public discussion in said logs? 1784421;1518893647;asciilifeform;hanbot: is your interest in bisp as a potential subscriber ? or as backseat driver. 1784422;1518893718;asciilifeform;hanbot: understand that one of the things i ~like~ about mp, is that he doesn't slide back on things. so hole or no hole , it is what it is. 1784423;1518893774;asciilifeform;with this in mind : ben_vulpes + mod6 : when you reimburse me this week please do not make use of trinque's walletron. trinque is quite dear to me but it is my current understanding that my trinquewallet will cease to function when i am formally anathemized , and i do not want any coin to become trapped in it. 1784424;1518893953;asciilifeform;hanbot: i do not enjoy to overstay my welcome where not wanted. mp and you invited me in 2013 to the party, can just as rightfully uninvite . 1784425;1518894075;trinque;asciilifeform: incorrect 1784426;1518894084;asciilifeform;hm? 1784427;1518894091;trinque;the thing works here, in pm, w/e 1784428;1518894099;trinque;there is no stripping-of-wallet implemented 1784429;1518894101;asciilifeform;and suppose mp specifically orders trinque to modify it. 1784430;1518894109;asciilifeform;what will trinque do ? 1784431;1518894136;trinque;I am not tarnishing my reputation by the wallet operating as anything other than a mechanism. 1784432;1518894161;asciilifeform;ready to be anathemized with asciilifeform , trinque ? 1784433;1518894261;trinque;I recall one time I got pissy and tripled down on political strife over nothing. 1784434;1518894265;trinque;don't want to repeat past mistakes 1784435;1518894277;trinque;hopefully you and mircea_popescu can resolve this one 1784436;1518894278;asciilifeform;y'know how it goes, 'Okay, here we go: Das war ein Befehl! Der Steiner-Angriff war ein Befehl! Wer sind Sie eigentlich, dass Sie einen Befehl, den ich gebe, zu missachten wagen?!!' 1784437;1518894292;asciilifeform;grr pastefael, 'Das war ein Befehl! Der Steiner-Angriff war ein Befehl! Wer sind Sie eigentlich, dass Sie einen Befehl, den ich gebe, zu missachten wagen?!!' 1784438;1518894353;*;mod6 reads 1784439;1518894381;asciilifeform;trinque: i enjoyed having mp as a coauthor, making phuctor, FG, various other pieces. but i cannot give the man what he wants, at the rate at which he wants it, this is unfortunate but fact. 1784440;1518894440;trinque;doubtful he fails in his modeling of you. maybe you fail interpreting his requests 1784441;1518894447;trinque;I don't know, don't like to speak for people either. 1784442;1518894457;asciilifeform;if you ask the d00d, i fail at moar or less errything, lol 1784443;1518894469;mod6;<+hanbot> meanwhile, mod6 and ben_vulpes : why are the "discussions" etc re bbisp not in the logs? is there some benefit in their being private, contrary to umpteen years of the benefits of public discussion in said logs? << Hi hanbot. Let me try to answer here. 1784444;1518894471;asciilifeform;and as you know 'customer always right' 1784445;1518894492;trinque;doubtful that also, or wouldn't be asked of so much. 1784446;1518894774;asciilifeform;don't feel sad, trinque , remember that http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570104 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570105 . 1784447;1518894774;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 21:41 mircea_popescu: nah, there's the retiring kind and the executed kind of admiral. 1784448;1518894774;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 21:41 mircea_popescu: he's the executed kind. 1784449;1518894915;mod6;Upon the failure of bbisp, and Mr. Popescu's leaving TMSR, The Bitcoin Foundation, in a last-ditch effort to save the ISventure and the Republic (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471), has chosen to try to determine how / if it can do this without any outside interference. 1784450;1518894915;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 06:48 hanbot: speaking of that wednesday, it's rather incredible how little discussion there is on the matter, especially considering http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160 1784451;1518895054;mod6;The thought here was that the ISP venture was too much trouble for Mr. P. to be bothrered with, so we thought we'd do actually what he would have wanted: Stepped up to run it ourselves. The Bitcoin Foundation has taken many lumps over the years for not having spent any of the endowment bestowed upon it. We thought this is the perfect opportunity to show that we can be effective. 1784452;1518895104;asciilifeform;asciilifeform, at the same time, took it upon himself to go and repair the item mp has proclaimed that he had broken, at own labour and (considerable) expense. 1784453;1518895111;mod6;We don't have all of the details sorted out as of yet -- and keep in mind it has been TWO DAYS, since we even contemplated this. TWO DAYS. 1784454;1518895145;mod6;So, we're working on it. And I am seriously discouraged by the line of commentary in here, as opposed to support. 1784455;1518895162;trinque;don't speak in generalities, address people 1784456;1518895170;*;trinque thinks this is a fine thing 1784457;1518895174;mod6;Are you speaking to me, trinque? 1784458;1518895177;trinque;I am. 1784459;1518895191;asciilifeform;trinque: might you be interested in becoming the first subscriber ? 1784460;1518895212;*;trinque has spoken to ben_vulpes about having a box on the first provisioning run 1784461;1518895240;ben_vulpes;trinque: do you still want that slot? 1784462;1518895241;mod6;Our plan is to publish what are plan is, we're working on that literally, right now. 1784463;1518895248;mod6;*our 1784464;1518895251;trinque;ben_vulpes: sure do 1784465;1518895291;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo has even prepared ( not quite yet unveiled however ) a public www ; with prices and other useful info. 1784466;1518895322;ben_vulpes;great. here's my address http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/couvJ/?raw=true when can you get the box to me? 1784467;1518895482;mod6;Anyways, carrying on here, we are working on a plan. We ask for your patience, and support. 1784468;1518895495;trinque;ben_vulpes: I can comform my shopping to your schedule. When does it need to arrive? 1784469;1518895568;ben_vulpes;feb 28th, please 1784470;1518895578;ben_vulpes;if that's not enough time, please to speak up asap 1784471;1518895611;trinque;works fine 1784472;1518895813;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu i would like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552625 << these -- back plox. 1784473;1518895813;a111;Logged on 2016-10-04 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news i registered #loper-os and #asciilifeform defensively ; whenever you feel like building them up say and i'll pass them along. 1784474;1518895967;mod6;On a personal note, regarding "patience and support", I want to let it be known that it will be very hard if not impossible to make the ISP venture a success without the support of specficially, mircea_popescu, hanbot, diana_coman - and ``Minigame''. We need your business here. 1784475;1518896314;lobbes;Not just ISP venture, but Republic as a whole. A mind with experience like mircea_popescu's comes along very infrequently. I.e. "resources" in my earlier comment refer to moar than just capital >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784360 1784476;1518896314;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 05:51 lobbes: listen, titles are meaningless. What matters is a) resources (of which mp always had) and b) ability to be a true "enzyme" for smart folx (mp again) 1784477;1518896345;shinohai;Thank you mod6, ben_vulpes, et all for all your hard work and support. 1784478;1518896397;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784451 <- I fail to quite follow this reading of events tbh; and in any case "running it ourselves" does not mean nor does it have to be "in isolation" 1784479;1518896397;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 19:17 mod6: The thought here was that the ISP venture was too much trouble for Mr. P. to be bothrered with, so we thought we'd do actually what he would have wanted: Stepped up to run it ourselves. The Bitcoin Foundation has taken many lumps over the years for not having spent any of the endowment bestowed upon it. We thought this is the perfect opportunity to show that we can be effective. 1784480;1518896405;mod6;If the notion, ``there is no future for the republic without an isp'' (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471) holds true, and mircea_popescu, hanbot, and diana_coman wish to see the Republic continue, we should all be putting aside differences to further the Republic. 1784481;1518896405;a111;Logged on 2018-02-13 06:48 hanbot: speaking of that wednesday, it's rather incredible how little discussion there is on the matter, especially considering http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160 1784482;1518896419;asciilifeform;lobbes: i have enough respect for mircea_popescu to respect his decisions; when he does not want to coauthor with somebody, there is no reason why he oughta have to. and so when he asks for asciilifeform's resignation as snsa cto, i will give it to him. 1784483;1518896446;diana_coman;as lobbes points out there are valuable resources in the forum, even if now reduced; not using them looks weird let's say 1784484;1518896461;mod6;diana_coman: All of this is in the logs, and on trilema "Don't have time to be a mommy", et. al. 1784485;1518896479;diana_coman;mod6, yes, mommy is one thing but not the only thing 1784486;1518896479;asciilifeform;diana_coman: a painfully pedantic description of the new isp will be published. and available for commentary. 1784487;1518896507;*;diana_coman will read 1784488;1518896512;lobbes;asciilifeform: did he ask, though? Your work doesn't need to -end- just because delorded, or excluded from specific flight etc 1784489;1518896534;lobbes;can regain again, what! You contribute a lot, that does not evaporate 1784490;1518896617;lobbes;diana_coman has it I think; why "split" resources when moar brains = stronger republic 1784491;1518896637;diana_coman;fwiw mod6 how do you then square "could not be bothered with" with -> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 ;it's one thing to say "I don't want to hold your hand" and another thing to say "I don't want to have anything to do with you" 1784492;1518896637;a111;Logged on 2018-02-11 13:57 mircea_popescu: alternatively, i have no problem taking say 1.5 worth of absolutely senior convertible equity in your continuant venture, however you call it. 1784493;1518896641;asciilifeform;lobbes: my work will continue to be published in the familiar place where it was published previously. not very hard to find. and folx who wish to discuss it, will be able to do so in my 'castle' ( #loper-os if mp amicably un-squats the fleanode login; otherwise a new one, to-be-announced ) 1784494;1518896644;shinohai;I admit to have suffered dejection in past couple of days which had me questioning the future of Republic, but honestly, what else is there? 1784495;1518896722;mod6;diana_coman: I don't see how a new venture is better off saddled with debt to it's former master. It was to be successful, it needs a fresh start. 1784496;1518896772;asciilifeform;shinohai: one strength of the republic is that it will continue to exist even if there is only 1 d00d left, even in a burning tank where only the gun still worx. 1784497;1518896786;asciilifeform;while it worx -- it exists. 1784498;1518896805;trinque;I don't see that at all 1784499;1518896818;trinque;republic's a social mechanism. kid with his toys by himself is not a republic 1784500;1518896824;lobbes;^^ 1784501;1518896849;shinohai;Perhaps a micronation 1784502;1518896857;trinque;? 1784503;1518896871;lobbes;without the ideology to teach future generations, what good are the tools 1784504;1518896877;lobbes;they will die with last man 1784505;1518896901;lobbes;as no one will understand how to use; "hammer in nails with mircoscope"-ism 1784506;1518896901;asciilifeform;lobbes: but do they ? the old serene republic, of venice, died to a man. and here we are, picking up the weapons 1784507;1518896928;lobbes;perhaps, but why not delay the death part of the death-rebirth cycle 1784508;1518896950;trinque;gotta say this dick-pulling soup, sharing of our feelings, and etc., is tiresome. 1784509;1518896999;mod6;trinque: would you like to take over my spot as Co-Chairman to the Bitcoin Foundation? 1784510;1518897004;trinque;asciilifeform got thonked on his head because he has emotional walls which repel certain categories of correction 1784511;1518897009;trinque;mod6: eh? why? 1784512;1518897016;diana_coman;mod6, a stake in something is never "debt only" really the way I see it; honestly, would you offer to take an "iou" while at the same time being totally unwilling to even give advice if asked? 1784513;1518897038;mod6;Debt, is debt diana_coman. Nothing more. 1784514;1518897043;mod6;Debt is not an investment. 1784515;1518897055;asciilifeform;trinque: the flavour of 'emo' is unfortunate, but i for instance have an oath to mp that i have not been released from. and is the only reason i am still tuned in. the disposition of snsa after asciilifeform's pending anathemization , is a strictly practical matter, rather than 'pulled dick' thread. 1784516;1518897084;diana_coman;asciilifeform, the only way I can follow that is as purely ideal "republic as a notion" etc. perhaps true but not particularly... effective let's say 1784517;1518897097;trinque;so reform. take your texan short fuse and lengthen, or what, wrong file, sorry. 1784518;1518897102;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i cannot offer anything with which to disagree. 1784519;1518897127;mod6;trinque: I think you'd be a suitable replacement for me. 1784520;1518897143;trinque;I don't think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more. 1784521;1518897146;trinque;*less 1784522;1518897151;asciilifeform;trinque: to crib of mod6's idea earlier, you could additionally (or alternatively) buy my share of isp. 1784523;1518897161;diana_coman;mod6, uhm, did I say it was an investment? equity in something is however still some stake in it or do you consider it's not? 1784524;1518897166;asciilifeform;( then possibly mp&friends would be more interested in a subscription..) 1784525;1518897176;trinque;holy shit, the sudden influx of offers 1784526;1518897196;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: One thing I've learned people watching here... It turns out boys are the shy gender. 1784527;1518897239;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, ahahah; ftr though that is ...true from all my experience as it is, yes 1784528;1518897307;trinque;asciilifeform: see how I told you one thing, and you tried to misdirect me with another? or no? 1784529;1518897316;trinque;how do you rub the dog's nose in the shit? 1784530;1518897321;asciilifeform;trinque: i must confess that -- nope 1784531;1518897336;mod6;<+trinque> I don't think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more. << Ok, well let me know if you want to. I'm ready to step down and take my leave of all of this. 1784532;1518897361;trinque;asciilifeform: so then read the last 10-15 lines and try to see what trinque's gesturing at 1784533;1518897365;mod6;diana_coman, hanbot, same offer stands to you as well. 1784534;1518897432;diana_coman;mod6, don't take this the wrong way 1784535;1518897456;ben_vulpes;mod6: i've said it before and i'll say it again, your calm under fire is invaluable and i'd be much obliged if you'd stick around. 1784536;1518897521;diana_coman;I for one will certainly wait patiently for the bbisp communications when they come 1784537;1518897534;mod6;I'll repeat myself: If you want a republic to exist, and you believe the foundation to be a good thing, support us. I've given seven years. Maybe it's time for someone who knows better than ole mod6. 1784538;1518897601;mod6;But I'll not sit by and watch a bunch of in-fighting embarrass all the hardwork and effort we've put in. I'd rather burn out, than fade away. 1784539;1518897667;mod6;This is the moment when you affirm your support, or you do not, and throw your hat in the ring to take the reigns from mod6. 1784540;1518897941;diana_coman;mod6 I support tmsr isp but atm I am at a loss as to what it is and how to actually support it 1784541;1518897960;diana_coman;hence as I said earlier: I'll be waiting patiently for its communications 1784542;1518897993;asciilifeform;indeed it would be strange for anyone to subscribe, without knowing what is offered, for howmuch. 1784543;1518898044;mod6;Stand-by, we're trying to get that communicaiton out now. I'm reading the things. 1784544;1518898774;lobbes;Dick-pulling aside, it seems there is Schism 2.0 happening (which I think is fucking retarded but okay). Are there going to be two republics now or wat? This goes beyond a mere ISP, hence hard to enumerate the future. 1784545;1518898776;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784295 << I still think that this assumption, which you seem to be basing your current actions on, is a flawed assumption. But whatever, I'll still tune in to (and try to assist with, if assistance wanted) whatever asciilifeform (and ben_vuples mod6 and co.) produce. A split republic is still better than none as far as my individual fitness is concerned. Just... dumb. 1784546;1518898776;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 04:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is apparently determined to maliciously run s.nsa into the ground, and pin the corpse on asciilifeform . 1784547;1518898845;trinque;lobbes: cool it 1784548;1518898866;trinque;this thing doesn't need any more chatter; let the parties working work, and see what comes of it. 1784549;1518899034;lobbes;right. right. bah okay. I got work to do on my archive-related shit anyway 1784550;1518899199;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo, ahahah; ftr though that is ...true from all my experience as it is, yes << Living in the hostel, you observe this a lot. 1784551;1518899280;BingoBoingo;Pretty girls and women change in the multi bed mixed gender rooms. Boys and fat chicks change in the bathrooms. 1784552;1518901954;ben_vulpes;attn all, here's a draft of the new articles of organization for what was BISP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5yUZ/?raw=true excoriate away 1784553;1518902026;mod6;Thanks ben_vulpes! 1784554;1518902033;ben_vulpes;i would also like to deposit these funds with a non-involved individual to seal in blood the capitalization of this entity 1784555;1518902038;asciilifeform;^ 1784556;1518902064;*;ben_vulpes to waltz around in the sun for a few minutes, will digest comments async 1784557;1518902625;asciilifeform;i'ma play in the snow, ben_vulpes , also bbl. 1784558;1518909049;ben_vulpes;wow christ, many apologies. 1784559;1518912772;*;danielpbarron is "playing in snow" 1784560;1518912970;mod6;Pizarro, The Republican ISP's offical channel is now: #pizarro 1784561;1518912980;mod6;Welcome! 1784562;1518916432;BingoBoingo;So I broke a tooth today. Will get to see how good a dentist la Venezolana is Monday. 1784563;1518916564;mod6;:[ 1784564;1518916590;mod6;That's the worst. 1784565;1518916678;BingoBoingo;Well it appears to be a rebreak of an area that broke when I was younger. Had some bonded ceramic patch and a chunk of that still seems attached. 1784566;1518916694;mod6;Ah. Yea maybe they can fix. 1784567;1518916729;mod6;Also, all, the log for #pizarro is here: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro 1784568;1518916739;mod6;Everyone is invited, no need to be shy. 1784569;1518916789;BingoBoingo;From the story it sounded worse than the picture I sent her looked. I will see if I can get pictures. of the repair. Damned ice cream cones full of dulche de leche with a hard chocolate shell. 1784570;1518916922;asciilifeform;i did not break tooth today; but on other hand the city finally showed up to fix the gas leak i reported 3d ago , and they have dug a moat around my car, on sides, to do it... 1784571;1518918024;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/mp-at-arenal-2003-2018-caution-steps-in-de-crease/ << Trilema - MP at Arenal, 2003 - 2018 (Caution : Steps in de crease!) 1784572;1518921272;TomServo; 1784573;1518921334;TomServo;oops 1784574;1518921393;mod6;Hi, how goes? 1784575;1518921559;TomServo;Ah, looking brighter now.. oldest just finished a 3-day visit at Children's with pneumonia. 1784576;1518921594;mod6;Ugh, sorry to hear that. 1784577;1518921669;TomServo;He's better now, nbd. 1784578;1518921699;TomServo;Wish I could help with any current woes, if that's possible lemme know. 1784579;1518921743;mod6;Sure, feel free to stop into #pizarro or follow along in the logs! 1784580;1518928893;hanbot; attn all, here's a draft of the new articles of organization for what was BISP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5yUZ/?raw=true excoriate away << cool, thanks for posting. so: i would very much like to support bbisp/Pizarro, and I think it's great the foundation picked this up. while i think the particulars will likely prove challenging, i would have no problem putting faith, time, etc behind mod6 and ben_vulpes. a few weeks ago, that wo 1784581;1518928893;hanbot;uld've extended to asciilifeform as well, but after a week + of stubborn refusal to admit wrongdoing or show any signs of work towards avoiding said wrongdoing in the future, i'd be acting ---very irresponsibly--- if i let my admiration of the man and his past work (or my dislike of the discord lately) obfuscate a serious, present, problem. anyway, looking forward to reading the communications, assuming those are still coming. if not, the questio 1784582;1518928893;hanbot;n stands: why are they not logged? 1784583;1518929977;trinque;appears to me the gents are getting things together for a clear, coherent offering. 1784584;1518930136;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784582 << >> http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro 1784585;1518930136;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 04:41 hanbot: n stands: why are they not logged? 1784586;1518930272;trinque;I'd say any judgment of how they're doing (at what, a day in?) is premature. 1784587;1518930427;hanbot;sure, fine logs starting today. what were the "discussions" variously mentioned, that led to this point? what, if anything, has been the resolution of the problem in which 50% of the ownership refuses to meet own deadlines? 1784588;1518930454;trinque;when the fuck did you want them to start, exactly? 1784589;1518930456;hanbot;possibly i missed earlier logs? 1784590;1518930554;hanbot;trinque i specifically mean the content of i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784462 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784415 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1784065 1784591;1518930554;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 19:20 mod6: Our plan is to publish what are plan is, we're working on that literally, right now. 1784592;1518930554;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 15:22 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The new management is working out the details for their clean takeover of the remains of BBISP as a new venture. I defer the revelation of details to management. 1784593;1518930554;a111;Logged on 2018-02-14 20:34 mod6: jurov: We're working out the details on that. Good question though. 1784594;1518930656;trinque;so leaving alf aside, when two folks dive on this boondoggle of a business venture to right it, we're going to suspect their methods and forget their long reputations? 1784595;1518930724;hanbot;not at all (where's that?). the question is where's the discussion that brought them to the document published today, and if that discussion's private, why? 1784596;1518931105;trinque;earlier diana_coman's bitching they didn't define the day-old business venture. now you're bitching they didn't tell you why they chose that definition, a few hours later. 1784597;1518931112;trinque;I see pointless sniping and nothing further. 1784598;1518931244;hanbot;trinque i'm not asking to be told anything. i'm asking why there were "discussions" over the course of several days that haven't been made public. this isn't to gripe at anyone, this is an attempt to preserve what's possibly the most useful tool of the republic, i.e. logging. 1784599;1518931270;mod6;Hi hanbot. 1784600;1518931274;hanbot;heya mod6 1784601;1518931276;mod6;This was my decision. 1784602;1518931365;mod6;I wanted to give us some space to find out the details, to discuss everything involved. I for one, even having been in #trilema the entire time, and even having read BB's blog posts about BBISP, I still wanted to give BB the space to discuss with us all the details. 1784603;1518931388;mod6;Things like, what the bills were, where they need to be sent, who would do what. This kind of thing. 1784604;1518931440;mod6;Quite frankly, and I hope BB doesn't mind me saying so, we kinda needed to even talk him into it. I think he was in quite a state of dismay at the whole thing. And I find it appropriate that we did that. 1784605;1518931471;mod6;There isn't anything to hide. We've been forthcoming about the entire venture. 1784606;1518931496;mod6;Does that satisfy your curiosity? 1784607;1518931650;hanbot;aha. bills & addys and similar stuff being private makes sense; why's who would do what private, though? ah, that kind of "space". yes, it satisfies my curiosity, thank you for clarifying. fwiw i'm not sure what can be gained from "space" as such - often what's most uncomfortable is what best leads to recovery and growth. but obviously your choice(s). 1784608;1518931661;mod6;I guess I'll also add this: I agree that logging is very important. But lately, in here, emotions have been running high. And while trying to figure out the details, I need to focus and not read through hundreds of lines of cross talk and bickering. 1784609;1518931693;hanbot;is the matter of what's going to be done re asciilifeform's current...stance also private? 1784610;1518931727;mod6;I don't think so at all. His role is outlined in the drafted document we posted above. 1784611;1518931766;mod6;Weather men admit wrongdoing or not, my hope is that men learn from the previous mistakes. 1784612;1518931772;hanbot;sure, but given recent refusal to meet deadlines, why would a given customer expect to receive reliable service? 1784613;1518931772;hanbot;ah. 1784614;1518931830;mod6;Because he said he would. And asciilifeform has done a lot for us over the years. Invaluable things. Dispite, failures. I've failed too, hopefully I'm getting better also. 1784615;1518931846;hanbot;yes, but see, you own up to it. 1784616;1518931855;mod6;Well, no one is perfect right. 1784617;1518931879;trinque;neh this much is true. I tried to pin alf earlier. he oughta reread that conversation. 1784618;1518931893;trinque;he skitters sideways when certain triggers are hit and changes the subject 1784619;1518931936;hanbot;mod6 indeed. but frankly, i haven't seen him say he would meet deadlines. 1784620;1518932022;mod6;I have too, and I recently read the entire thread on diana_coman's blog too. The whole thing. I know shortcomings have impacted lots of things. He's not the only one guitly of that. And even though I don't excuse anyones failures, I'm going to forgive. We've gained more than we've lost. In my estimation. 1784621;1518932154;mod6;I mean look, here's an example: I waited like nearly 4 years for an FG. But he delivered, and it works. It's a marvel, this FG. I think the fact that we have it, and it works, is more important than how long it took to realize. 1784622;1518932189;trinque;gotta also admit that the enemy will not wait for you to be done with your superweapon. 1784623;1518932205;mod6;After the first "Hey, we're getting FGs for xmas!" And then it didn't come, for like 2 more xmas's... i could have simply negrated him. 1784624;1518932219;mod6;But I gave him the benefit of the doubt. 1784625;1518932221;hanbot;mod6 i know the strife is unpleasant, and i admire your drive to right things. but there's an actual extant problem here, which, if merely forgiven, lends nothing to the notion the problem will cease. 1784626;1518932236;trinque;hanbot: how do you resolve the man's issue then. 1784627;1518932247;trinque;not a pointed question, an honest one 1784628;1518932281;trinque;because he's the type that apparently cannot dishonor himself by e.g. shipping a less-than-alf fuckgoats 1784629;1518932311;mod6;<+trinque> gotta also admit that the enemy will not wait for you to be done with your superweapon. << also totally true. 1784630;1518932376;trinque;can say "time manage" and etc but the philosophical structure in his head will not permit works with ideological inconsistency to ship 1784631;1518932432;mod6;hanbot: i don't expect anyones "blind spots" or "deficiantcies" to go away over night. we'll work with him to make sure things happen they way they need to do so, when they need to do so. 1784632;1518932570;mod6;Furthermore, I may be the only investor left in S.NSA, and I would very much like to see it continue. 1784633;1518932573;hanbot;trinque : as in alcoholism, person wanting to quit has to --want to quit--. that's what i'm not seeing. 1784634;1518932613;mod6;I would like to see asciilifeform and mircea_popescu somehow come back to the table and continue their very important work together. 1784635;1518932738;hanbot;naturally, eh. me too. 1784636;1518932745;trinque;hanbot: problem of the practitioner is still how to jam that into the sick skull. 1784637;1518932750;mod6;hanbot: I can't speak for asciilifeform and make him state things. But, perhaps if we kept a public calendar of what is happening when, might give the public some comfort that tasks are getting completed on time. 1784638;1518932763;trinque;or everyone's head comes off. 1784639;1518932800;mod6;Do you believe that would add some comfort? 1784640;1518932890;hanbot;mod6 i think that's a great idea. i dunno about comfort (and i'm not asking for it, nor is it anyone else's to give me), but it'd certainly add some clarity, and keep things accountable. 1784641;1518932919;hanbot;trinque not only is it a problem of how to jam it in, but who's job is it? 1784642;1518932961;trinque;autodidacticism has been thoroughly trashed in the logs 1784643;1518932974;mod6;Alright then. It'll be really helpful I think for all of us. I, for one, literally have like 69000 things to keep up with these days. 1784644;1518933026;hanbot;mod6 at some point many years ago i had a tracker to keep track of my trackers. hang in there. 1784645;1518933178;mod6;lol 1784646;1518933179;mod6;ok 1784647;1518933329;trinque;hanbot: I apologize for snapping at you. I think ben_vulpes and mod6 are doing a great thing coming in to try and save the project. 1784648;1518933341;trinque;if someone wants asciilifeform's shares they are apparently for sale; they were offered to me 1784649;1518933428;trinque;probably plenty of ways to improve their process from here, yet the thing was dead in the water, republic declared dead without hosting, and some folks came together against that. 1784650;1518933568;mod6;That we did. And I for one, would love to see Mr. Popescu to come back and be the father to the republic. 1784651;1518933608;hanbot;trinque true. i suppose some things can't be learned without an actual beating, delivered by an actual expert whisk. i don't really know to jam it into the sick skull, i guess. and no harm done, i've always appreciated your directness. 1784652;1518933642;mod6;However, each man gets to decide if he wants to partake in the Republic. Mr. Popescu always said he would eventually leave. And I respect that. Just wish it wasn't in anger. 1784653;1518934162;trinque;night all. 1784654;1518935026;mod6;night trinque 1784655;1518962661;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784630 << i think this isn't a satisfactory description of the issue for two reasons. one is that the man doesn't have merely very exacting standards, but a binome of which half is exacting standards and the other half is looser than a crack whore's butthole. 1784656;1518962661;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 05:39 trinque: can say "time manage" and etc but the philosophical structure in his head will not permit works with ideological inconsistency to ship 1784657;1518962686;mircea_popescu;think of it, the ~same guy~ who's saying ridiculous, and ridiculously unexamined things about boats, the http protocol and so on is also the same man willing to have mod6 do days' worth of testing with items swapped around to establish nothing in particular. 1784658;1518962708;mircea_popescu;to him, it's not worth to take three seconds of his own time to think $random item through ; but to him it is also worth taking three days of another man's time (and often enough, the misfortunate other man is he himself!) to do nothing in particular with them. 1784659;1518962729;mircea_popescu;the other issue is that the exacting standards part of the binome aren't exacting to a ~rational~ standard, they're exacting to a psychogenic standard. he's perfectly willing to take steps to alienproof his sub because he's seen alien pirates board a sub in a B movie once, that's the standard, what he can ~imagine~ occuring, not so much what he has good reason to believe may occur. 1784660;1518962751;mircea_popescu;i don't, for the record, think there's anything even vaguely like malice involved. i think it's simply ambered childishness, which he has managed to preserve unexamined so long into his adult life because he's never before found himself among people intelligent enough to force him to examine it. the signs of this are ubiquitous and i won't belabour, 1784661;1518962771;mircea_popescu;suffice to point out that evidently enough the whole binome as described is adaptive rather than designed. and it MUST be examined, and it must be repaired, rather than indulging in just as childish deflection. o noes, ~i~ of all people want to drive s.nsa into a wall, fancy that wonder! 1784662;1518962791;mircea_popescu;the slowest release schedule in the world and all the rest of the stuff people don't say because they're affraid i might crack them one if they did say it certainly aren't driving anything into anything, rite. because we're playing Alf's Beginner Transaction Psychopathology and it's all explained in there in the inside of the top of the box! 1784663;1518962821;mircea_popescu;so no, how about we don't discuss the random nonsense some 9yo captive inside stan would in his panicked despair have us rather occupy ourselves with. instead, exactly in trinque's practical terms : what the fuck am i going to do with a s.nsa resting on the clavicle of a grown man with 9yo shoulders! 1784664;1518962849;mircea_popescu;originally i was going to just call it off, have it liquidated and so on. because yes eventually it has to come to this, nsa was started on the premise that "here is a talented engineer who evidently has little ability to take direction or manage himself, but which we're construing as due to poor prior context and expect will remedy itself, by itself, in short order". 1784665;1518962874;mircea_popescu;what fucking short order, the end of a five year plan is nigh on in sight! by a cool account he's not gotten better at it, arguably he's even gotten worse at it, wut the everloving fuck do ?! tell me, and make sense while doing the telling! 1784666;1518962979;mircea_popescu;otherwise, i think it's sufficiently self-obvious that nobody wants more crappy items. we've enough of those around to last a century. but i also won't sit still while being railroaded into a false choice between crappy items and never items ; if for no other reason then because too many people depend on me being at least slightly smarter than that. 1784667;1518963028;mircea_popescu;that aside : danielpbarron phf what ever became of those fgs ? 1784668;1518964079;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06b-dining-in-troglodyte-lands.html << The Tar Pit - How to (not) dine in troglodyte lands in N very simple steps 1784669;1518964791;BingoBoingo;It seems a lot like a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783251 spread out over a longer timeline. Begun when the blades spun slower and when http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784662 along with flashes of marvelous alien tech could staunch the sating. Here as in BBIsp there is fanaticism for the cause in spades. An open question is whether more involved middle management could improve alf's tasking or is there going to be a 1784670;1518964791;a111;Logged on 2018-02-11 14:05 mircea_popescu: the reason i'm cutting you out is because we have very poor fit, i'm a "provide general guidance and hangings" sort of manager and you evidently need a mommy, to check whether you packed your lunch and to ask if you need to pee every so often. should you find one you can certainly thrive, but you've not found her in me is all. 1784671;1518964791;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 14:06 mircea_popescu: the slowest release schedule in the world and all the rest of the stuff people don't say because they're affraid i might crack them one if they did say it certainly aren't driving anything into anything, rite. because we're playing Alf's Beginner Transaction Psychopathology and it's all explained in there in the inside of the top of the box! 1784672;1518964791;BingoBoingo;temperment problem in asciilifeform resisting direction or a middle manager's eyes glossing over and slacking the discipline after glimpses of tech that isn't shit. 1784673;1518964803;BingoBoingo;Boy feelings are complicated and mircea_popescu has well earned another rum and girlie fueled retirement or semi-retirement. Wat do indeed? 1784674;1518964866;mircea_popescu;there's a fundamental difference there bb, in that isp is a thing whereas most of what we're making is noit a thing. making a thing requires following the recipe, whereas making not-yet-a-thing is basically figuring out a recipe. 1784675;1518964885;mircea_popescu;so nsa doesn't in this sense have the same sort of problem. it's a crisis of faith not of management. 1784676;1518964945;mircea_popescu;so in no case what he needs is middle management ; moreover i expect half his problems come from inept fiatworld having its usual "one solution to end all problems". 1784677;1518965050;BingoBoingo;This is a point. During a solid chunk of my formative young adult years my brain was somewhat insulated from a lot of the fiat world crap through having been preserved in cosmoline. And by cosmoline I mean cheap vodka. 1784678;1518965354;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, the pogos? i sent them and phf has them 1784679;1518965360;mircea_popescu;alrighty ty. 1784680;1518965388;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes / mod6 do you want these ? (which one of you do i talk about re day to day bbisp bidniss ?). 1784681;1518965409;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron if they dun want them, do you take backsies ? 1784682;1518965437;danielpbarron;yes 1784683;1518965454;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1784684;1518966939;shinohai;gm #trilema 1784685;1518967181;BingoBoingo;mornin shinohai 1784686;1518967199;shinohai;Buenas dias, k tal? 1784687;1518967216;BingoBoingo;Bien y vos? 1784688;1518967396;shinohai;Bien, gracias. Finally a nice sunny morning after a week of clouds and rain. 1784689;1518967737;BingoBoingo;Disfruta tu clima 1784690;1518973694;mircea_popescu;!!up freetlas 1784691;1518973694;deedbot;freetlas voiced for 30 minutes. 1784692;1518973749;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784449 << i said i was going to check in a coupla times a week! 1784693;1518973749;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 19:15 mod6: Upon the failure of bbisp, and Mr. Popescu's leaving TMSR, The Bitcoin Foundation, in a last-ditch effort to save the ISventure and the Republic (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471), has chosen to try to determine how / if it can do this without any outside interference. 1784694;1518973757;shinohai;Afternoon, mircea_popescu .... enjoyed latest trilema thoroughly. Has been week of toucans between you and hanbot ^.^ 1784695;1518973783;mircea_popescu;they're pretty fucking cool. apparently there's many species, BUT! most of them have a buzz haircut! 1784696;1518973789;mircea_popescu;hysterical feature on a bird. 1784697;1518973822;shinohai;ikr? Remind me of some villain from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or something. 1784698;1518973863;mircea_popescu;ya 1784699;1518973874;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784473 << sure, how does this work ? 1784700;1518973874;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 19:30 a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news i registered #loper-os and #asciilifeform defensively ; whenever you feel like building them up say and i'll pass them along. 1784701;1518973944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently i have to flag you as F on them ; for which we have to both be in. so at your leisure. 1784702;1518974545;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784506 << on the strength of metaphor, though. mind you don't end up like the apprentice wizard, discovering with some surprise the spells don't work as immediately as he thought they do. 1784703;1518974545;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 19:48 asciilifeform: lobbes: but do they ? the old serene republic, of venice, died to a man. and here we are, picking up the weapons 1784704;1518974701;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'm more interested in the remaining supplies of fuckgoats; can i get a quote for 15 of them? 1784705;1518974850;mod6;monin', catchin up here. 1784706;1518975088;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes / mod6 do you want these ? (which one of you do i talk about re day to day bbisp bidniss ?). << you can talk to me any time about these things, or anything else really. 1784707;1518975185;mod6;If I don't know the answer straight off, will ask ben_vulpes or whomever needs to be asked. 1784708;1518975276;mod6;I expect quick turn around on questions -- As when emailing support, most queries can be responded to quickly. Others, maybe take 24-48 hours to have sorted. 1784709;1518975438;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes phf currently has two dozen that either fly to you or back to dbp, so which is it ? 1784710;1518975457;ben_vulpes;send them to me please, stand by for mailing address 1784711;1518975485;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes forward it to phf directly ; phf sorry for the bondogle, send me the bill for the mailing ; danielpbarron invoice bbisp cc mod6 for the pile. 1784712;1518975490;mircea_popescu;yay, one thing resolved! 1784713;1518975504;mod6;Ok nice. 1784714;1518975537;mod6;I'm assuming the cost for these won't sink us right 1784715;1518975540;mod6;? 1784716;1518975557;mod6;Any idea the cost, ballpark? 1784717;1518975558;mircea_popescu;i am assuming so too. if the bill is balk-worthy we figure something out. 1784718;1518975567;mod6;Ok sounds good. 1784719;1518975570;mircea_popescu;well, get it out of him. 1784720;1518975570;mod6;:] 1784721;1518975614;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784512 << it goes deeper than this. in a start-up, all debt is bonds and all bonds are convertible, because who the fuck would lend without equity implication to such a thing as a start-up 1784722;1518975614;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 19:50 diana_coman: mod6, a stake in something is never "debt only" really the way I see it; honestly, would you offer to take an "iou" while at the same time being totally unwilling to even give advice if asked? 1784723;1518975664;mircea_popescu;anyway ; there's a lot of business experience in disparate fields that has to be handled, and often the handling drives unexpected results and so on. part and parcel of the problem is that bitcoin ain't consumer finance and few people have any notion of anything else in that whole wide field. 1784724;1518975707;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784517 << loller. 1784725;1518975707;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 19:51 trinque: so reform. take your texan short fuse and lengthen, or what, wrong file, sorry. 1784726;1518975728;mircea_popescu;"you know what's better than tattoos ?" "hm ?" "scars" "but why ?" "at least they're genuine." 1784727;1518975734;mod6;Fair enough, I may have just looked at the debt to be paid to you at face value -- just a simple bill that needed to be paid, as opposed to 'bonds' or something else. 1784728;1518975771;mircea_popescu;mod6 let's do a side trip here and learn pricing of capital. so what would you say is included in the bill for the use of capital ? 1784729;1518975794;mod6;Something extra in return. 1784730;1518975804;ben_vulpes;phf: please to send fg's to http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kcjWc/?raw=true 1784731;1518975809;mircea_popescu;like, the bill for the use of a hotel room is made up of a) the opportunity cost (what that room would have made if not given to you but to another) and b) the indemnity cost (ie, what all you wore down, ruined, stained and destroyed in there) 1784732;1518975821;mircea_popescu;make sense ? 1784733;1518975829;mod6;yeah, for sure. 1784734;1518975863;mircea_popescu;if i lend a btc to a guy, in a market where the discount rate (what AVERAGE capital returns are as per a, like the "cost of hotel rooms in this season/city) is 5% and whose survival rate is 33% 1784735;1518975882;mircea_popescu;my capital will then cost 1 * 1.05 * 3 = 4.15. so he has to pay 3.15 to get the 1. 1784736;1518975886;mircea_popescu;that make sense ? 1784737;1518975906;ben_vulpes;(not to derail, but i've moved the Pizarro provisional charter to http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 , comments actively sought from eg diana_coman hanbot mircea_popescu lobbes ) 1784738;1518975920;mod6;thanks ben_vulpes 1784739;1518975935;mircea_popescu;i'll catch it with teh rest of the logs. 1784740;1518975947;mod6;mircea_popescu: yeah, in this sense -- 33% being the indemnity cost? 1784741;1518975958;mircea_popescu;300%. yes. because 3 * .33 = 1. 1784742;1518975996;mircea_popescu;so now ... the COST of carrying capital as debt goes up immensely as soon as survival rates drop very slightly. start-up are notoriously unsurvivey, and so their debt would cost so much as to ensure their failure. 1784743;1518976022;mircea_popescu;the only possible solution is convertible debt, ie, if they strike it big, you have some sort of claim, for the risk you took. and that is why all start-up debt is really convertible bonds in practice. 1784744;1518976075;*;mod6 reads 2x 1784745;1518976193;mod6;Alright, so as things in a start-up start to go south business-wise, for whatever reason, i.e. product sucks, whatever, the corresponding revenue/credit crunch makes it more and more difficult to service the debt. 1784746;1518976200;mod6;(Am I following here?) 1784747;1518976208;mircea_popescu;nobody teaches these (basic, really, should be highschool) notions, and so people don't understand how humanity is, and was built. but bonds are a very sensitive actuarial tool, they react amplifiedly to death danger. whereas equity is a very sensitive to gains. and more generally, finance is worth studying altogether, it makes one smarter. 1784748;1518976248;mircea_popescu;mod6 consider it with numbers. if a guy's survival probability is 95% and the discount rate is 5%, then for every coin he pays to service his debt, HALF covers the 95% and the other half the actual opportunity cost. 1784749;1518976262;mircea_popescu;if his survival rate is 85%, he pays FOUR TIMES the discount rate. 1784750;1518976304;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, is why us real estate first time buyers pay 6% even though the fed rate is .75% ; and this is HOW fed rates drive monetary policy. see ?) 1784751;1518976320;mod6;*nod* 1784752;1518976401;mircea_popescu;anyway, the formula above stands : the capital (1 above) multiplied by the discount rate (1.05 above) multiplied by the survival odds (3 in the 33% survival rate example ; could as well be 10 in the 10% survival rate example, which iirc is what start-ups historically do) 1784753;1518976438;mircea_popescu;because, obviously, if i lend to someone who has 10% chances of surviving, i want 10x my money so i can lend to ten of them and get a (slight, 5% sort of slight) profit. 1784754;1518976594;mod6;you figure, one in ten should make it, then you get your 5%. 1784755;1518976673;mircea_popescu;right. 1784756;1518976831;mod6;Alright, well, I think I might be missing something between the lines. 1784757;1518976897;ben_vulpes;for a convertible note like that, how'd you go about setting the conversion rate? lots of yelling? 1784758;1518976916;mod6;I may, indeed, need some education on basic finance. When it came to the .8 BTC owed to you, I never figured in anything like that. Are there terms that we were unaware of? Do you feel owed more than .8 BTC? 1784759;1518977009;mod6;(fwiw, I mearly read ".8 BTC debt to MP" as something of a personal loan to BB since he was owner) 1784760;1518977041;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784526 << if i never said this on trilema i regret it, because yes, totally. 1784761;1518977041;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 19:53 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: One thing I've learned people watching here... It turns out boys are the shy gender. 1784762;1518977062;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's negotiated at some point. there's lengthy practice on the subject, of course. 1784763;1518977080;mircea_popescu;mod6 the .8 was a cash payment, the matter is entirely resolved. 1784764;1518977086;mircea_popescu;that's why you pay cash, so you don't have to care. 1784765;1518977099;mod6;Ok, that makes sense to me. 1784766;1518977145;mircea_popescu;but no, it wasn't a personal loan to bb, it was a loan to bb's corp which bb guaranteed ; but which guarantee i let lapse when i sold (ie, didn't transfer to you, ie, yo ucan't now ask him for 2 btc * 8k usd or w/e the exact numbers were) 1784767;1518977184;mod6;ok. i see. 1784768;1518977244;mircea_popescu;alternatively i might've not sold, and pursue him. this is the sort of option capital offers one -- you can always take your pick of two options in this vein. and if you can't, you've been swindled, not doing business. 1784769;1518977257;mod6;aha. 1784770;1518977267;mircea_popescu;ie, there is an unbroken tree of outright causes all the way to the prime mover, we don't say "this is a scam" because emotionally. 1784771;1518977271;mircea_popescu;there's criteria. 1784772;1518977328;mircea_popescu;and this is the financial statement of why socialism is always and necessarily a scam, while at it., 1784773;1518977516;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784539 << lol check him out. 1784774;1518977516;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 20:01 mod6: This is the moment when you affirm your support, or you do not, and throw your hat in the ring to take the reigns from mod6. 1784775;1518977563;mod6;Totally srs too tho! 1784776;1518977660;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784567 << hanbot summarize this wouldja. 1784777;1518977660;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 01:18 mod6: Also, all, the log for #pizarro is here: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro 1784778;1518977696;hanbot;mircea_popescu sure thing, gimmie a coupla mins 1784779;1518978069;hanbot;mircea_popescu basically they made a constitution ( http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5yUZ/?raw=true / just moved to http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 ) yesterday, there's no releasing of whatever private discussions prior. they're going to do some power testing on customer boxes as a courtesy. ben_vulpes is going to take a few boxes there maybe next month. BingoBoingo "unsnarled" an mp-wp of unknown provenance, sadly he can't use the genesis item yet. some 1784780;1518978069;hanbot;wrangling re buying fg from nsa, who handles suppliers, etc. punkman already there trying to silver-tongue them back into the velvety embrace of pantsuitlandia. 1784781;1518978092;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784583 << yes, alright, but the problem implicit in all this is that one day customer comes in to complain his box was mysteriously rebooted and the response is "well actually we had a secret agreement to reboot once a year the boxes of people whose key ends in F, so..." ; ie very much a rehash of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599120 problem. because ultimately that's what the empir 1784782;1518978092;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 04:59 trinque: appears to me the gents are getting things together for a clear, coherent offering. 1784783;1518978092;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 04:43 mircea_popescu: now - wut of all of this ? maybe it was the same guy, i guess, maybe there was a conspiracy to reboot the server, i guess, maybe etcetera. i'm unconvinced nor do i see it matters any. 1784784;1518978092;mircea_popescu;e is, "like a republic but with secret agreements". and it proved (again, not to some sort of emo, but in actual practice) to not be good enough. 1784785;1518978105;mircea_popescu;hanbot heh isn't that cute. link re punkman ? 1784786;1518978134;hanbot;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-2-1#304871 1784787;1518978156;mircea_popescu;!!rated punkman 1784788;1518978156;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated punkman -1 at 2016/06/02 13:53:07 << timewaster. 1784789;1518978169;mircea_popescu;o, already huh. well, an upgrade's always welcome 1784790;1518978182;mircea_popescu;!!rate punkman -2 miserable cocksucker. 1784791;1518978184;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wMOyS/?raw=true 1784792;1518978233;mircea_popescu;speaking of that, hey phf how's the new vdiff coming along ? 1784793;1518978379;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do you want comments here ? or would rather there ? 1784794;1518978404;ben_vulpes;i'd been drafting what turned into the charter from very nearly the very beginning; there's no arrangements or agreements that are not covered in the linked document. 1784795;1518978407;ben_vulpes;there please 1784796;1518978534;mircea_popescu;aite. 1784797;1518979032;*;ben_vulpes back later, looking forward to mircea_popescu's comments 1784798;1518979338;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes every time i try to comment it says "stale page". 1784799;1518979366;mircea_popescu;i take it the comments never got tested or anything ? anyways. 1784800;1518979375;mod6;Ok, noted. 1784801;1518979420;mircea_popescu;in other news, ben_vulpes mod6 is there some discussion that was had in foundation board as to the wisdom/opportunity of commitment here ? are you basically trying to stretch capital or how exactly did the logic go ? 1784802;1518979767;mod6;Yeah, had discussions around it -- The first sentence in paragraph three kinda covers most of it. 1784803;1518979815;mod6;I'd note that we were a bit reluctant to do this to begin with -- hence the late entrance to the venture. I think we were hoping that others would step and run it, but alas, no one did. 1784804;1518979820;mircea_popescu;so the logic mostly went, "whole shit's on fire, gotta do thing x, thing x takes dough, the only available dough is in this piggy, break it" ? 1784805;1518979838;mod6;Certainly not. 1784806;1518979838;ben_vulpes;well, i don't quite know what you mean by "stretch capital". republic gotta have an ISP; and it should be able to turn a profit and pay the foundation back. if it fails to do that, it'll be disappointing and i'll probably resign for mismanagement. initially mod6 and i were considering taking the entire venture on through the foundation when asciilifeform offered to match. 1784807;1518979861;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes fix the comments then i'll explain what i mean by reference to it! 1784808;1518979884;ben_vulpes;yaok, i saw a comment earlier. no idea how it got in there. 1784809;1518979894;mircea_popescu;hm. 1784810;1518979902;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm doing something wrong ? 1784811;1518979914;ben_vulpes;actually i betcha i do know, i had to port the comments widgetry to this theme when i mpwpd myself. 1784812;1518979935;mircea_popescu;"Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again." 1784813;1518979947;ben_vulpes;yeah, i remember that text from spelunking 1784814;1518979984;mircea_popescu;!--16 queries. 1.578 seconds. << holy hell. 1784815;1518979985;ben_vulpes;try now please 1784816;1518979996;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes lmao T favicon too eh ? 1784817;1518980003;ben_vulpes;it's a rush job, friend 1784818;1518980032;mircea_popescu;there we go. 1784819;1518980059;ben_vulpes;aha ty 1784820;1518980106;*;mircea_popescu is game to continue discussion of isp there, so. we can talk re foundation here. so mod6 certainly not, but then consider point 4 in http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3&cpage=1#comment-3 ; still no ? 1784821;1518980138;ben_vulpes;this is for the full contract period, mircea_popescu 1784822;1518980151;mircea_popescu;but plox say it there! 1784823;1518980158;mircea_popescu;ill answer an' etc. 1784824;1518980163;*;ben_vulpes shall 1784825;1518980180;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784586 << hey, they got till they last, for sure. 1784826;1518980180;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 05:04 trinque: I'd say any judgment of how they're doing (at what, a day in?) is premature. 1784827;1518980200;shinohai;"We slay Incas" <<< gold 1784828;1518980229;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784594 << no, not at all. we are however going to ask the difficult questions, so as to spare them future pain at the cost of present embarassment. 1784829;1518980229;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 05:10 trinque: so leaving alf aside, when two folks dive on this boondoggle of a business venture to right it, we're going to suspect their methods and forget their long reputations? 1784830;1518980238;mircea_popescu;cuz we're of the tribe that believes that a good deal. 1784831;1518980286;mircea_popescu;but they're questions, and no more, barren and not pregnant. "and where did you put the salt" is not "you stole the salt, didn't you". 1784832;1518980445;*;trinque sees no fault in that 1784833;1518980464;*;ben_vulpes glad of the questions 1784834;1518980497;mod6;Same, 1784835;1518980501;mod6;s/,/./ 1784836;1518980534;*;mircea_popescu digs up how the deedbot rss feed worked 1784837;1518980662;mircea_popescu;for the curious : !!subscribe http://pizarroisp.net/?feed=comments-rss2 should do it.\ 1784838;1518980703;mircea_popescu;( ben_vulpes mind that trilema permits narrower specificity, eg http://trilema.com/2018/experimental-results/feed/ actually feeds only comments ~to that article~.) 1784839;1518981078;mod6;So by using the foundation's endowment the idea was here, "the foundation is doing something", as opposed to "mod6 doing something". That was the idea. 1784840;1518981111;mod6;It's no secret that we need mircea_popescu's, hanbot, and S.MG's business. 1784841;1518981129;mod6;I could step up and remove the foundation from the entire thing, and put in my own coin. 1784842;1518981156;mircea_popescu;so basically the idea was to use the foundation as a shield/ralying flag as may be needed. 1784843;1518981157;mod6;However, #5 seems like a blocker. 1784844;1518981159;*;ben_vulpes caught interrupt from real live, bbl 1784845;1518981204;mircea_popescu;it's what it's for, after all. mod6 you have to appreciate the outside view, "this item existed for x years, never involved itself, now does. why now and not before ?" 1784846;1518981208;mod6;I don't think 'sheild/ralying' flag. More of "is this thing useful". Much to your question that I tackled you about a few weeks back. 1784847;1518981212;mircea_popescu;but i think the above is satisfactory. 1784848;1518981217;mod6;I'm starting to agree that the foundation is not useful. 1784849;1518981230;mod6;And probably should be somehow put out to pasture. 1784850;1518981235;mircea_popescu;ah, so are you going to thereby find out ? 1784851;1518981251;mod6;Well, that was the idea. Maybe not a great one. 1784852;1518981258;mircea_popescu;i can follow it. 1784853;1518981283;phf;there seemed to be some miscommunicaton, because the box that i received only contains pogos. in fact http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784667 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784678 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784730 are at odds with each other 1784854;1518981283;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 14:10 mircea_popescu: that aside : danielpbarron phf what ever became of those fgs ? 1784855;1518981283;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 14:49 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, the pogos? i sent them and phf has them 1784856;1518981283;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 17:43 ben_vulpes: phf: please to send fg's to http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kcjWc/?raw=true 1784857;1518981363;mircea_popescu;whoa. 1784858;1518981364;phf;i seem to recall that the original request was for FGs, so i was surprised to see pogos in the box, but they then the point was already moot. (box got here on friday, i picked it up saturday afternoon) 1784859;1518981381;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what did you send him! 1784860;1518981390;mircea_popescu;phf how many ? 24 ?! 1784861;1518981433;*;mircea_popescu owns too many things, to the point people are getting confused which cask of amontillado to ship. 1784862;1518981442;mircea_popescu;for the record http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784603 doesn't actually square with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 ; but if you say as ben_vulpes said that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784794 i will believe, as it neither breaks my bones nor picks my pocket. then it'll get enshrined through the passage of time, and then if we later discover it was not factual we're going to have a fine mess on our hands. so 1784863;1518981442;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 05:23 mod6: Things like, what the bills were, where they need to be sent, who would do what. This kind of thing. 1784864;1518981442;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there. 1784865;1518981442;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 18:26 ben_vulpes: i'd been drafting what turned into the charter from very nearly the very beginning; there's no arrangements or agreements that are not covered in the linked document. 1784866;1518981442;mircea_popescu; last call on this matter : are the surprises done or is there more exoticism waiting to be sprung on innocents ? 1784867;1518981480;phf;mircea_popescu: yeap, 24 1784868;1518981492;mircea_popescu;phf alrighty, send them back an' send me the bill please. 1784869;1518981535;phf;i believe dpb is in between houses so there will be some time before he has a reliable return address, but we've already agreed to as much 1784870;1518981572;mircea_popescu;it does occur to me that indeed tmsr-isp would make a much better repository of "just in case" iron than danielpbarron who's trying to move. you wanna do anything with my large crate of pogos fellas ? 1784871;1518981601;mircea_popescu;phf yeah, actually, i should prolly take the rest of them from him, rather than stuff back in. they're long overdue. mind holding on to the grosse for a little ? 1784872;1518981659;*;mod6 reads 1784873;1518981661;phf;i can keep them until end of may 1784874;1518981678;mircea_popescu;sounds like plenty and i know from experience it won't be nearly enough. but ty. 1784875;1518981719;mircea_popescu;anyway, to get back to the land of designs for a second : the original idea for tmsr isp was that it'd also function as a holder of valuable (ie, "no longer produced") iron. and it'd carry it on its books, giving it a whole other kind of value. 1784876;1518981730;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> last call on this matter : are the surprises done or is there more exoticism waiting to be sprung on innocents ? << The only agreement not stated in the charter was indeed, stated in here, that alf doesn't want to be involved with mircea_popescu as backseat driver. 1784877;1518981737;mircea_popescu;is there any interest in this line with current management ? get a storage unit somewhere in uruguay, pile up all the pogos and other non-replenishables ? 1784878;1518981760;mircea_popescu;(the business case for this would be something like "but look at symbolics gear".) 1784879;1518981761;mod6;ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform : Keep me honest here, am I missing / forgetting anything else that needs to be unearthed? 1784880;1518981970;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784792 << i got overwhelmed with vdiff becoming all things to all people, and since 4 year designs are no longer in vogue, i'm going to change the strategy and unblock specific people waiting for me 1784881;1518981970;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 18:23 mircea_popescu: speaking of that, hey phf how's the new vdiff coming along ? 1784882;1518982007;mircea_popescu;phf sorry, change the strategy and what ? 1784883;1518982028;phf;so by coming wednesday i'll release a c differ, that conforms to current vpatch format, but will hopefully let hanbot finish the wp-mp genesis 1784884;1518982097;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779901 << prolly what threw him. 1784885;1518982097;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: 11 days should be enough for alf to bake the boxes i expect. danielpbarron i think he's better suited as they're right next to each other ; but pending discussion with bb can you fedex some pogos ? 1784886;1518982150;phf;by wednesday after that, i'll add keccak to it, and by yet next wednesday a c patcher that can eat a proper vpatch 1784887;1518982206;phf;mircea_popescu: well, i know that hanbot is waiting for a vdiffer that can actually produce a genesis from what she has, current one fails because of the whole -- regexing 1784888;1518982232;mircea_popescu;yep. 1784889;1518982244;mircea_popescu;so that you know, ben_vulpes can just press a v tree when he needs to stand one up. and so on. 1784890;1518982245;mircea_popescu;and since there can never be a better time than the present time : following up on asciilifeform's expert advice, i bought a crate of pogos um... about three years ago, jan/feb 2015, ie when the bitcoin was ~400. they're just as rare now as they were then, and they could have been bought today for the ~same i paid for them then. meaning i lost 95 bitcents to the bitcoin on this deal, for howevermany bitcoins i cared to sink i 1784891;1518982245;mircea_popescu;nto it. let the experience sink in, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER PERSONALITY THAN HISTORY AND NO OTHER GUIDE THAN EXPERIENCE. 1784892;1518982529;*;mircea_popescu dug it up ye ancient manifest. there's 112 A3 and 10 A1s, of which iirc jurov got a dozen back then, so i assume there's 76 and 10 left ; and 24 a3s with phf. ie a coupla grand in today's fiats. 1784893;1518982558;mircea_popescu;phf sounds like a plan. 1784894;1518982635;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784737 <- I've left a comment there 1784895;1518982635;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 17:45 ben_vulpes: (not to derail, but i've moved the Pizarro provisional charter to http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 , comments actively sought from eg diana_coman hanbot mircea_popescu lobbes ) 1784896;1518982682;mod6;thanks diana_coman 1784897;1518982703;mod6;I'm not seeing it show up yet, maybe copy that text just to be sure. I think we're still working out the kinks on that. 1784898;1518982716;mod6;Oh there it is. 1784899;1518982718;mod6;Nevermind. 1784900;1518982793;mod6;Solid question, we'll address that in the next draft, if there is even to be one. 1784901;1518983122;*;asciilifeform tuned in , ate logs, unfortunately hasn't just now the time to answer the quality flameage, is in the middle of a quite intricate job atm 1784902;1518983884;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784632 << improbable, there's what, 100s of btc outstanding. 1784903;1518983884;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 05:42 mod6: Furthermore, I may be the only investor left in S.NSA, and I would very much like to see it continue. 1784904;1518984033;mod6;Fair enough. I still would like to see it continue. 1784905;1518984036;mod6;:] 1784906;1518984223;mircea_popescu;in other news : as work on eucrypt is winding down -- the whole item is just about complete, needs serpent and we've decided to add an oaep-rsa wrapper (mostly as a pretext to do some ada-c interop testing), so roughly speaking by end of month it should actually be done -- we're moving on to shaping up the eulora client-server comms model. this will mostly be a design discussion, will take place in #eulora, prolly take up som 1784907;1518984224;mircea_popescu;e portion of the month of march. those with domain knowledge are very much invited to participate. 1784908;1518984266;mircea_popescu;also, building further the (summary) testing infrastructure currently provided is imo a legitimate way to patch upon the tree once complete ; and such work will prolly get sealed. 1784909;1518984395;BingoBoingo; ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform : Keep me honest here, am I missing / forgetting anything else that needs to be unearthed? << BingoBoingo sent a tarball of fiat side paperwork, datacenter and BingoBoingo's South America allowance paid through march. Emotional back and forth on BingoBoingo's part of the sort where "Uruguayos can all fuck themselves" to "This place isn't so bad, but all the Uruguayos can go fuck themselves". 1784910;1518984395;BingoBoingo;BingoBoingo's insistence on submitting to active management, particularly from ben_vulpes in light of his experience.. 1784911;1518984461;mircea_popescu;lol so why not blog it, i enjoy telling that sorta thing. 1784912;1518984518;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm getting dental work done tomorrow. I would like to blog the experience of turning 32 in Montevideo with Pictures, but I guess that can be a separate blog. 1784913;1518984534;mircea_popescu;you mean separate article ? 1784914;1518984539;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1784915;1518984557;mircea_popescu;sure, whatever you feel like. that's what the fucking blog is there for : whatever you feel like. 1784916;1518984609;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784642 << only as a solitary adventure. 1784917;1518984609;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 05:49 trinque: autodidacticism has been thoroughly trashed in the logs 1784918;1518984628;BingoBoingo;Fuck it, I will bake post now. 1784919;1518984704;mod6;I've gotta do a few chores around here, bbs. 1784920;1518985051;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784649 << quite admirable, fo sho. 1784921;1518985051;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 05:57 trinque: probably plenty of ways to improve their process from here, yet the thing was dead in the water, republic declared dead without hosting, and some folks came together against that. 1784922;1518988361;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784884 << i am confused. was i supposed to send FGs? i can do this, but they are mine to sell whereas the pogos are yours. it is unclear to me what they should sell for, except that many went for 400 USD on ebay 1784923;1518988361;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 19:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779901 << prolly what threw him. 1784924;1518989359;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yes, the idea back then was to send 24 fgs so as to supply 2each for the at the time dozen boxes i was trying to ship over. the latter part fell through, but as i thought the former part was still executed, and in phf's hands, i was trying to unwind it. 1784925;1518989373;mircea_popescu;as there's nothing there to unwind, there's no moar problem though. 1784926;1518990843;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: responded 1784927;1518992999;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/18/turning-32-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Turning 32 In Montevideo 1784928;1518993919;ben_vulpes;phf: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-2-18#305493 1784929;1518994123;ben_vulpes;diana_coman: answered 1784930;1518994924;*;ben_vulpes off for several hours 1784931;1518996191;hanbot; "Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again." << for future reference, mp-wp comment fix is in the edit here: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ , and will be a patch once that project can move again. 1784932;1518996616;hanbot;phf> so by coming wednesday i'll release a c differ, that conforms to current vpatch format, but will hopefully let hanbot finish the wp-mp genesis << kickass, looking forward to it. 1784933;1519008969;mircea_popescu;!!up fromloper 1784934;1519008970;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1784935;1519008996;fromloper;Thank you. 1784936;1519009005;mircea_popescu;sure. what's up ? 1784937;1519009044;fromloper;I have several questions, mostly for Stan, but since you are here, is Mpex still functional? 1784938;1519009050;mircea_popescu;yes. 1784939;1519009121;fromloper;Interesting, although I feel the 50 btc fee might be a bit high nowadays for attracting new users. 1784940;1519009154;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem to hurt airbus. 1784941;1519009432;fromloper;I guess. My main question for your community here concerns OS security. Basically, is OpenVMS too good to be true? 1784942;1519009608;fromloper;It's written in a combination of three highly insecure languages (C, VAX macro, and BLISS), yet it averages very low bug counts. 1784943;1519009810;fromloper;Maybe no one here knows, but I figured it's worth a shot asking. Your community seems very knowledgeable and security conscious. 1784944;1519009874;shinohai;I've heard of it, but wasn't interested because closed source. 1784945;1519010168;mircea_popescu;!#s openvms 1784946;1519010169;a111;8 results for "openvms", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=openvms 1784947;1519010717;fromloper;I joke that the OS is actually cursed since every CPU arch that it has been ported to has died relatively fast. Since it's being ported right now to x86_64 I hope I'm actually right. 1784948;1519016204;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2018/02/18/the-shape-of-dust-settling/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The shape of dust settling. 1784949;1519043517;shinohai;gm tmsr 1784950;1519046300;trinque;anyone opposed to me removing pete_dushenski from the RSS list? this benchwarmer commentary thing is about enough. contribute or get lost. 1784951;1519046720;diana_coman;trinque, I agree 1784952;1519046739;shinohai;Certainly wasn't encouraging reading material. 1784953;1519046747;diana_coman;also: is ave1's blog in the rss list? I find it quite useful 1784954;1519048620;BingoBoingo;Mornin' folks 1784955;1519048648;BingoBoingo;trinque diana_coman: sounds like solid ideas 1784956;1519052195;mircea_popescu;trinque should prolly make the public blog rss thing a l1 blackballable item. ie anyone deedbot trusts can ask (in channel) for any item to be discontinued -- and it is. 1784957;1519052267;mircea_popescu;then the corresponding can also be implemented (l1 can have any blog added). vaguely curious as to results. 1784958;1519052815;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/indias-city-union-bank-claims-2-million-usd-loss-through-swift/ << Qntra - India's City Union Bank Claims 2 Million USD Loss Through SWIFT 1784959;1519052897;mircea_popescu;in other news, ben_vulpes / mod6 , i had a good rant all summoned up on the topic of "motherfucker, after years of watching me do business publicly, including the lot with bingoboingo, you lot revert to the tardstalk style of 'secrecy' the moment gotta stop nodding along and actually put hands into pie". 1784960;1519052898;mircea_popescu;such a fine rant it was, too! however, i looked over teh pizarro logs, an' there's evidently no room for it. so good for you! my poor rant, now has nowhere to go an' nothing to do ;/ 1784961;1519052955;mircea_popescu;meanwhile asciilifeform is actually idiotic enough to "hates my face" ? really, dood ? because why, because you fucked up, AGAIN, are fully determined to not fix it, and consequently "mp hates me" ? who the fuck do you think you are to be worthy of such wonders ? my hate, really ? 1784962;1519053049;mircea_popescu;"random guy i picked to treat as daddy refuses to '''prove his love for me''' ie satisfy my http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-feminin/ expectations and therefore HE HATES ME!!11". because the 9yo ego decides the relationships and stuff. nuts. 1784963;1519053594;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is missing out on a great career as psychoanalyst ? 1784964;1519053707;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for sake of argument, what means 'fix' ? 1784965;1519053946;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, it's largely a personal matter. as far as visible from outside, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715079 is as good an approximation as any. 1784966;1519053946;a111;Logged on 2017-09-16 00:06 BingoBoingo: !~step 1 1784967;1519054058;mircea_popescu;true, your addiction is not alcohol ; it is http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/#comment-1075 instead. but the differences are barely worth the mention, psychanalitically they both play exactly the same role. 1784968;1519054137;mircea_popescu;you're abusing time exactly like random housewife abuses benzedrine, and to shockingly similar results. apparently the quality of input meat reflects in the exoticism of the substance chosen, not at all in the path taken down adiction tobogan. 1784969;1519054142;mircea_popescu;which is a remarkable thing. 1784970;1519054265;mircea_popescu;(and, for the "missing out on career" random (and consequently almost guaranteed to run into grief) potshot : it so happens, like many other things do happen, that mp was in charge of a town at a point in its history when an amphetamine epidemic hit the (very, VERY competent, poorly equipped, badly overworked) medical staff. there was a lot of "x ?! x is beyond brilliance, there isn't a y surgeon like him mentioned in history 1784971;1519054265;mircea_popescu;, let alone working anywhere today". yes, sure, and he's doing 16 doses a day and he butchered two people, lawds mercy.) 1784972;1519054293;mircea_popescu;for his sins and youthful naivite, mp sided with the exceptionalism view way too long. 1784973;1519054423;mircea_popescu;but, for his wasted "coin", back in a day before coin was even invented, yet wots still existed, mp also knows as a factual, rather than guessed matter, what all is down that road. 1784974;1519054734;asciilifeform;i recall the story of the addicted surgeons. was there a ro trilema on subj, or only the 1 thread here ? 1784975;1519054818;mircea_popescu;i dun recall an article. 1784976;1519055008;asciilifeform;so then i cannot resist to ask, how did mircea_popescu solve the surgeons 1784977;1519055030;mircea_popescu;i solved nothing. 1784978;1519055032;mircea_popescu;what fucking solve. 1784979;1519055061;asciilifeform;well 'in charge of town' suggests a possible active ending to the story 1784980;1519055089;mircea_popescu;ah. yes, there was a year and a half long utter shortage of amphetamine. what can you do. 1784981;1519055130;mircea_popescu;"mp is medically illiterate and hates random doc's guts". 1784982;1519055141;asciilifeform;lol 1784983;1519055160;mircea_popescu;"which is why he sent his henchmen to break both his arms and each finger ; it has nothing to do with impudently ignored warnings." 1784984;1519055195;asciilifeform;but did it produce a sober doc , or empty hospital . 1784985;1519055214;mircea_popescu;a mix. what can it possibly produce, what do you think this is, the cartoons ? 1784986;1519055222;mircea_popescu;addiction produces sadness. 1784987;1519055396;asciilifeform;knowing only what's been said so far by mircea_popescu , it'd seem to me as if the story would have ended similarly, even had the dope never been discovered. unless the meth was somehow the reason for the entire town having 1 surgeon left. 1784988;1519055450;mircea_popescu;the problems of governance is that you're stuck choosing between 50% loss 55% gain and 48% loss 56% gain sorta deals. there's no "solutions". 1784989;1519055474;mircea_popescu;from the civillian pov, "yes, it's all the same". meanwhile 1% summed over ten thousand iterations, which is what civilisation is, comes to... guess. 1784990;1519055475;*;asciilifeform does not disagree 1784991;1519055508;asciilifeform;don't forget 'whom to send to plug what embrasure' 1784992;1519055549;mircea_popescu;16358287111888959696680983838486196055353569.308466978, for the mathematically slow. 1784993;1519055613;asciilifeform;oddly enuff mircea_popescu mentioned time, and its abuse; asciilifeform is using a chess-clock system atm, has 3m remaining 1784994;1519055648;asciilifeform;( after this, bbl in the evening ) 1784995;1519055659;mircea_popescu;this is not even a bad idea. 1784996;1519058371;mod6;mornin' 1784997;1519058396;ben_vulpes;heya mod6 1784998;1519058678;mod6;So reading through some of the comments, questions, concerns rasised by mircea_popescu, and diana_coman, I started thinking yesterday that maybe -- since there are specifically hard-to-draw lines between mod6's role as Foundation Co-Chair, ben_vulpes's role as Foundation Co-Chair and their roles as ``managers'' or ``management'' in Pizarro ... 1784999;1519058749;mod6;there might be a better way to go about this without the Foundation's involvement. Like I said before, I could have just put up my own coin for this. Just again, as discussed yesterday, the thought was "Can The Bitcoin Foundation do something here to help Pizarro, for the Republic and the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole?" 1785000;1519058785;mod6;And I believe that answer, passing the smell test, was "Yes, indeed it can." "This is a useful expendature of the monies." 1785001;1519058890;mod6;When thinking about how to re-structure, or re-word some of the Pizarro Charter, it becomes way simpler, and easier with The Bitcoin Foundation out of the equation. And probably would provide for a better structure, a more sound structure, perhaps. 1785002;1519058959;mod6;I'll admit that how it is with the 1-to-1 matching and so forth with asciilifeform, seems to be a bit of 'bubblegum+shoestring', which, let's face facts, it is. This is somewhat of an emergency put together entity. 1785003;1519059031;mod6;What I'm offering, if it is more palatable, is for me to return the Foundation's money and make that whole again, and instead offer up a 5 BTC private / or gift to Pizarro. 1785004;1519059050;mod6;Of my own coin. (sorry, didn't mean to end the sentence ahead of time). 1785005;1519059086;ben_vulpes;not unreasonable, and it does clean up the ownership structure significantly. 1785006;1519059088;mod6;Let's discuss, and see what makes the most sense. 1785007;1519059244;ben_vulpes;i'd rather you invest those 5 btc rather than simply give them; it doesn't make a great deal fo sense to 'give' a notionally someday-profitable entity money and furthermore i'd rather you didn't just wash your hands of the whole thing if i can convince you to stick around. 1785008;1519059264;ben_vulpes;your public-relations work to date has been pretty valuable, for one. 1785009;1519059284;mod6;I think I could be persuaded to do that. 1785010;1519059348;mod6;Let's see where this conversation goes. 1785011;1519059380;mod6;I'm gonna give mircea_popescu, diana_coman, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, phf, and others time to catch up and weigh in, if so desired. 1785012;1519059677;shinohai;https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html <<< "Harassment includes but is not limited to: Physical contact and simulated physical contact (e.g., textual descriptions like "*hug*" or "*backrub*") without consent or after a request to stop." 1785013;1519059683;ben_vulpes;it's gonna make things complicated on statements this month but i can handle that 1785014;1519059702;shinohai;what about *rape* 1785015;1519059864;mod6;ben_vulpes: yeah, the SoBA is gonna be a bear this month indeed. 1785016;1519059884;mod6;I also still plan to, if I can get a few minutes here, to publish V 99993. 1785017;1519059939;ben_vulpes;so ftr i've disposed of 1.16578854 BTC of the foundation's capital this month; 0.8 in purchasing mircea_popescu's debt and 0.36578854 in servers owned by the foundation; so the sum to which the foundation's piggy is involved is 0.8 BTC 1785018;1519060013;mod6;That seems accurate to me as well, as the foundation owns the server assets. 1785019;1519060026;mod6;(worth .3657884) 1785020;1519060049;mod6;Ahem. 0.36578854 BTC. 1785021;1519060073;trinque;curious what you gents think would be an appropriate foundation expenditure 1785022;1519060123;mircea_popescu;mod6 you can't have multiple managers. there has to be a guy that stops the buck. 1785023;1519060123;mod6;trinque: This is a very good question, and so far, other than Pizarro, adds up to 1 renewal of a domain name. 1785024;1519060149;ben_vulpes;trinque: i maintain that the expenditures to date have been appropriate and legitimate, but am compelled by mod6's argument that actually embroiling the foundation in the ownership of Pizarro complicates it unnecessarily 1785025;1519060204;ben_vulpes;mod6: i think you meant "board members" upstack, not "managers" 1785026;1519060210;mod6;mircea_popescu: I think the offer on the table, from ben_vulpes, was for him to be "manager". Am I correct, ben_vulpes? 1785027;1519060218;mod6;Ah, yes. Forgive me. 1785028;1519060229;*;trinque does not take a position on whether it was appropriate in either direction 1785029;1519060230;mod6;You are to be manager, there are to be greater than one board memebers. 1785030;1519060240;trinque;if discussing it, oughta define how appropriate is judged 1785031;1519060256;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1784999 << there is, at the very least, a defensible strongline in there : "since the foundation is entitled in 1 per thousand from all income in tax, it is necessarily acceptable for the foundation to invest 1 per thousand of capital in any and all ventures, as a matter of principle. that chairs may opt to eschew this for many is a practical matter at their disposal". 1785032;1519060256;a111;Logged on 2018-02-19 16:45 mod6: there might be a better way to go about this without the Foundation's involvement. Like I said before, I could have just put up my own coin for this. Just again, as discussed yesterday, the thought was "Can The Bitcoin Foundation do something here to help Pizarro, for the Republic and the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole?" 1785033;1519060257;ben_vulpes;trinque: "knowledge descends from authority" 1785034;1519060289;mircea_popescu;so there's necessarily nothing wrong with foundation being equitably involved. now, how much... well, this is more of an open question. 1785035;1519060315;mod6;trinque: to me, it's not that expendature is inappropriate, that's not what I'm saying. I think trying to help Pizarro get off the launch pad is a great thing for the Foundation to do. 1785036;1519060340;mircea_popescu;i don't think it's undefensible in the least to say "well, item x has to work, we can't deny it capital, so we're there in the front line". which is kinda what it came to. 1785037;1519060350;mircea_popescu;but i also think it's sensible for people involved to contribute capital privately. 1785038;1519060364;mod6;What I think is that it maybe clearer, better for Pizarro to have private investment -- especially since the two co-chairs are also going to be involved in either "management" or "board seats". 1785039;1519060419;mircea_popescu;so restructure the deal, have the foundation put in a bitcoin, get a seat for it, put a coupla bitcoin each of you, get a seat for it each, or whatever's convenient. 1785040;1519060428;mircea_popescu;the reason you made that a draft is so it's drafted upon neh. 1785041;1519060444;mod6;Exactly. 1785042;1519060498;mod6;Here's the thing, if the foundation gets a board seat, who is to represent it impartially or what not? In the given case where I have 1 board seat from say 1 BTC, and ben has one from 1 BTC. 1785043;1519060514;ben_vulpes;mod6: you and i decide who to stick on it 1785044;1519060522;mod6;Can I represent the foundation from one seat, and then myself from another? 1785045;1519060530;ben_vulpes;i don't see why not 1785046;1519060531;mircea_popescu;mod6 nothing prevents you from discussing it publicly. "here's the issue before the board, here's what i think foundation should do, here's what ben_vulpes thinks it should do, this is what we'll be doing, comment" 1785047;1519060578;mircea_popescu;quite literally, "measure to so and so is coming before pizarro board ; ben_vulpes is voting x, mod6 is voting y, foundation should vote z according to so and so considerations..." 1785048;1519060595;mircea_popescu;there's nothing intrinsically wrong about wearing different hats. a situation can be seen from different perspectives, why not. 1785049;1519060636;mircea_popescu;in other words, there's no need to provision for "impartially" ahead of time, as you have a (working, proven) mechanism to realise that jit. 1785050;1519060644;mircea_popescu;(just in time) 1785051;1519060666;trinque;ben_vulpes obviously said it better than I could have. the foundation's interests are in bitcoin; couldn't be more broad a justification for involvement in society as the chairs deem. 1785052;1519060678;trinque;* mircea_popescu obviously said it better than 1785053;1519060686;mircea_popescu;o 1785054;1519060717;trinque;I mean, I'll be curious when y'all start an alpaca farm, but hey 1785055;1519060723;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1785056;1519060728;mod6;heheh 1785057;1519060729;ben_vulpes;trinque: socks! 1785058;1519060733;mod6;^ 1785059;1519060733;mircea_popescu;hey, i took girls to llamas! WE ARE APPROACHING 1785060;1519060747;ben_vulpes;it's the most important thing one can buy with bitcoins dontchaknow 1785061;1519060750;mod6;The smile on the llamas face was best btw. 1785062;1519060763;mircea_popescu;mod6 i thought it was more of a "umm... more of these ? ya ok." 1785063;1519060812;mod6;heheh. 1785064;1519060831;mod6;maybe so. 1785065;1519060854;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785005 << what's your position there, do you want to capitalize ? to what sort of level ? 1785066;1519060854;a111;Logged on 2018-02-19 16:51 ben_vulpes: not unreasonable, and it does clean up the ownership structure significantly. 1785067;1519060964;ben_vulpes;i'm actually thinking to capitalize by working on the thing; could easily eat 3.5 btc of my time in the first year alone 1785068;1519061013;mircea_popescu;yes, but this is an iffy point in that it's hard to guess how palatable this'd be to the equity. 1785069;1519061029;mircea_popescu;i'm not saying your work is worthless ; i am however saying it's a difficult to price category. 1785070;1519061138;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785018 << how did it end up owning iron, i missed out on this. 1785071;1519061138;a111;Logged on 2018-02-19 17:06 mod6: That seems accurate to me as well, as the foundation owns the server assets. 1785072;1519061141;mod6;maybe mod6 gift's you 1 BTC for board seat? 1785073;1519061145;ben_vulpes;yeah certainly. for my learnings, how did you price chet's ssw's in the early days of s.mg? by having known her forever? 1785074;1519061165;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i hadn't disclosed that yet, at the time of purchase it seemed appropriate to disclose in the monthly 1785075;1519061173;mircea_popescu;ah. 1785076;1519061181;ben_vulpes;but needed disambiguating now. 1785077;1519061191;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes but those were ~warrants~ mind you. 1785078;1519061217;mircea_popescu;and yes, this is what would probably be a fine solution here, you taking warrants. if the equity value goes up you're obviously entitled to profit ; and otherwise... well... more work to do. 1785079;1519061279;mod6;That may not be a bad idea. However, there's maybe a lot more that needs to go into creating something like that. Not sure what our time-horizon is here... 1785080;1519061282;ben_vulpes;i steal from teh best 1785081;1519061311;ben_vulpes;mod6: i can get this drafted with plenty of time for asciilifeform to review before his evening visit 1785082;1519061320;ben_vulpes;pretty straightforward, actually 1785083;1519061338;mod6;Well, chew on this a bit. Let's think all this through. 1785084;1519061341;mircea_popescu;bah. 1785085;1519061384;mod6;haha 1785086;1519061462;mircea_popescu;gullible fool that i am, i will even allow myself to be seduced into living the 5th point ; on conditions : to asciilifeform that he principally sticks to a timekeeping and scheduling method of his design, at the bare minimum the proverbial chess clock and corkboard ; and subsidiarily that he gets the girl to take a (~candid!~) shot of him with the instruments sometime this week. give the girl a camera, have her take a bunch, 1785087;1519061462;mircea_popescu; pick one and publish it. THIS WEEK. 1785088;1519061489;mircea_popescu;and to ben_vulpes that you will not allow the natural and understandable desire of strive avoiding to guide you into nonsense, but will firmly commit to clearly and openly discuss problems. 1785089;1519061502;mircea_popescu;lifting not living heh. 1785090;1519061522;mircea_popescu;(instruments = selfsame chess clock and corkboard) 1785091;1519061580;mircea_popescu;and with that, there you go : have mod6 and asciilifeform each pay in 10 btc, have the foundation give out 1 btc also, making a total of 11 ; give tbf and the equity partners a seat each for a total of 3 ; have ben_vulpes and BingoBoingo get stock warrants monthly on some sort of agreed upon scheme and there you go. 1785092;1519061695;ben_vulpes;well that's a doubling of extant capital commitments, but that works for me. 1785093;1519061703;ben_vulpes;i'll let the other two chime in. 1785094;1519061816;ben_vulpes;anyways, i appreciate everyone's time in refining the structure. 1785095;1519061818;mircea_popescu;wait what ? 1785096;1519061836;mircea_popescu;what doubling do you speak of 1785097;1519061847;ben_vulpes;"mod6 and ben_vulpes have extended 5 BTC of The Bitcoin Foundation's capital in credit to further start-up and operating costs associated with taking over the ashes of BISP and bringing a new venture to profitability. asciilifeform will match the Foundation's capital 1-to-1. " 1785098;1519061850;mod6;So, let's see: 5 BTC from mod6, 5 BTC fom asciilifeform, 1 BTC from The Bitcoin Foundation = 11 BTC. One board seat for each of these; mod6, asciilifeform, and The Bitcoin Foundation. ben_vulpes, and BingoBoingo are to be given Special Stock Warrants for their work. 1785099;1519061861;mircea_popescu;right mod6 1785100;1519061870;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is rewording, not addwording. 1785101;1519061875;ben_vulpes;ah " 1785102;1519061881;ben_vulpes;"each pay in 10 btc" threw me 1785103;1519061891;mircea_popescu;o fuck, yeah. i meant 5. 1785104;1519061896;ben_vulpes;no harm in pedantry here. 1785105;1519061901;mod6;It did me too, but I figured what he meant from 11 BTC total. 1785106;1519061902;mircea_popescu;none at all. 1785107;1519061919;mod6;aha, thanks for the guidence here. 1785108;1519061956;mircea_popescu;anyway, 11 btc is actually a huge first round. you can always do an a round later. 1785109;1519061974;mod6;I agree, on both parts mircea_popescu. 1785110;1519062038;mod6;I hope that it would be an initial amount that will get pizarro off the launch pad. 1785111;1519062038;mircea_popescu;mod6 is it open for others ? or are you happy to keep it narrow for now ? 1785112;1519062051;ben_vulpes;we'll keep it narrow for now. 1785113;1519062062;mircea_popescu;works. 1785114;1519062090;mircea_popescu;hey, is this actually you lot's first start-up note stage thingee ? 1785115;1519062110;mod6;Yeah, for me. 1785116;1519062159;mircea_popescu;amusingly, much in the vein of "all lugs tumble the same in the lug tumbler" point from before, this is ~almost exactly~ how it works in fiatlandia too. a week's worth of hairpulling and lost nights and so on. 1785117;1519062273;mod6;I think it's worth it, to go through the hairpulling, to turn it from "adventure" into "venture". 1785118;1519062302;mod6;Give it the best possible chance of success out of the gate. 1785119;1519062317;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you committed to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785088 ? 1785120;1519062317;a111;Logged on 2018-02-19 17:31 mircea_popescu: and to ben_vulpes that you will not allow the natural and understandable desire of strive avoiding to guide you into nonsense, but will firmly commit to clearly and openly discuss problems. 1785121;1519062977;ben_vulpes;aye, quite. 1785122;1519063087;ben_vulpes;and yes, 'tis my first round 1785123;1519064499;mod6;trinque: hey, suggestion here for deedbot.org -- A link from the homepage to the Help (help.html) would be nice. or i'd settle for one in the "frequently asked questions" page too. 1785124;1519064561;mod6;(did I just not see it? maybe it's already there somewhere) 1785125;1519064684;mod6;!!balance 1785126;1519064688;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SJKf6/?raw=true 1785127;1519064857;mod6;!!pay shinohai 0.03000000 1785128;1519064861;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/l2z36/?raw=true 1785129;1519064990;mod6;!!v 6488330E8BD5E2D68C38ECBAA9E71692D5D9241ECE339BD300AF99C402042DF5 1785130;1519064993;deedbot;mod6 paid shinohai 0.03000000 1785131;1519065015;mod6;What a time to be alive, I tell you. 1785132;1519065044;shinohai;Runs circles around the original gribble wallet plugin. 1785133;1519065103;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-503584.txt 1785134;1519065104;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-506234.txt 1785135;1519065105;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-507863.txt 1785136;1519065206;trinque;just noticed the poor thing was gagged at the UI level, thanks mod6 1785137;1519065213;trinque;and help link added 1785138;1519065220;mod6;nice! thanks trinque 1785139;1519065264;ben_vulpes;!!up freakyfractal 1785140;1519065265;deedbot;freakyfractal voiced for 30 minutes. 1785141;1519065297;ben_vulpes;what brings you by, freakyfractal ? 1785142;1519065304;freakyfractal;howdy 1785143;1519065326;freakyfractal;had some time.. was lookin for an old friend 1785144;1519065387;ben_vulpes;by the name of ... ? 1785145;1519065402;freakyfractal;pretty sure it's shinohai 1785146;1519065409;shinohai;oh hai freakyfractal 1785147;1519065418;freakyfractal;:D 1785148;1519065446;shinohai;Where the bjeezus you bee? Thought you had been raped and murdered by thai ladybois 1785149;1519065464;freakyfractal;xD 1785150;1519065467;freakyfractal;raped not murdered 1785151;1519065487;freakyfractal;been working.. might be changing that up soon tho 1785152;1519065570;shinohai;Are you back in Spain yet .... or? 1785153;1519065765;freakyfractal;Spain currently, but going back to Thailand 1785154;1519066215;mod6;Gotta few things to take care of, be back in a bit. 1785155;1519066628;BingoBoingo; I'm gonna give mircea_popescu, diana_coman, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, phf, and others time to catch up and weigh in, if so desired.<< It appears my opportunity to worry on this came and was addressed while getting the tooth repaired. 2300 pesos. That 1785156;1519066642;BingoBoingo;'s 500 pesos less than a benjie 1785157;1519067544;ben_vulpes;https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.06038 << "on a subset of 3,759 contracts which we sampled for concrete validation and manual analysis, we reproduce real exploits at a true positive rate of 89%, yielding exploits for 3,686 contracts" 1785158;1519068000;shinohai;I'm sure with time they can get that number closer to 100% 1785159;1519080093;diana_coman;in lulz from the (eu)crypt: gnatmake helpfully complains about all sorts in a .gpr file; once everything is fine, it.. fails with a very informative "aggregate libraries are not supported"; and indeed one has to use gprbuild and nothing else for aggregate libraries 1785160;1519080352;diana_coman;gprbuild from adacore works however fine to build aggregate libs as far as I can tell 1785161;1519081671;mircea_popescu;so wait, is gnat broken is the idea ? 1785162;1519081740;diana_coman;theoretically as far as I can tell it's a feature, not a bug aka "it's not gnatmake's business to do this, go use gprbuild" 1785163;1519081770;mircea_popescu;so you basically have to chain them, gprbuild then gnat-make the objects or what ? 1785164;1519081792;joecool;qntra interested in an exclusive? 1785165;1519081800;joecool;BingoBoingo: ^ 1785166;1519081808;diana_coman;no, gprbuild is bright enough to do everything; BUT depending on what tools you have installed you can get weird errors when versions mismatch ; as we had experienced in logs before on various occasions 1785167;1519081814;BingoBoingo;joecool: Sure, what about? 1785168;1519081816;mircea_popescu;joecool im sure it is. gpg -aer bingo and p.bvulpes.com 1785169;1519081822;diana_coman;well, I can talk only about gprbuild from ada being bright enough 1785170;1519081842;diana_coman;as all my non-adacore environments proved a mess 1785171;1519081842;mircea_popescu;diana_coman so basically a rut is shaping up here, "use gpr from adacore -- gnat / others dun actually work" ? 1785172;1519081853;diana_coman;I would say: use adacore! 1785173;1519081874;diana_coman;nuke the gnu gnat on sight unless you have time to lose and hair to pull 1785174;1519081885;joecool;BingoBoingo: probable creators of bitcoin filed suit against each other last week, I have the complaint 1785175;1519081909;mircea_popescu;joecool ahaha qntra is not publishing dumb shit about "probable creators of bitcoin" 1785176;1519081911;joecool;nobody else has reported on it yet, but it's only a matter of time 1785177;1519081923;diana_coman;fwiw re gprbuild the more I read on it the more I like it actually 1785178;1519081938;diana_coman;but again, adacore gprbuild, I can't vouch for any other version atm 1785179;1519081981;BingoBoingo;joecool: Write up a draft, if it's good it gets published but the premise makes this seem unlikely as framed by "probable creators" 1785180;1519081982;joecool;mircea_popescu: nor do they need to publish it as that 1785181;1519082010;mircea_popescu;aite, so write the piece up, bb is around so it can be quick 1785182;1519082012;joecool;BingoBoingo: will do, I will not frame it as such 1785183;1519082040;diana_coman;when non-adacore, one easily runs into issues such as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745018 1785184;1519082040;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 20:27 diana_coman: aaand gprbuild 2011-4 apparently is strictly married with gnat4.6; gah 1785185;1519082188;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i guess once the eucrypt adventure is sealed a cover letter re ada-c integration may be a good idea, for future reference. 1785186;1519082648;diana_coman;I'll focus for now on eucrypt; it has anyway ada-c integration itself so I'll see what I have by the end 1785187;1519082674;shinohai;"Probable creators of Bitcoin" such lulz 1785188;1519082886;ben_vulpes;i'm actually curious about the joecool scoop 1785189;1519083004;shinohai;Oh I'm very curious, wondering if this is a hoaxtoshi sham or what. 1785190;1519083025;joecool;ben_vulpes: i'm pulling the rest of the documents off pacer right now 1785191;1519083028;joecool;there's a few hundred pages 1785192;1519083056;mircea_popescu;scoops are cool. 1785193;1519084043;joecool;deedbot woulda been useful for these guys 1785194;1519084062;joecool;we have paper deeds to sums in the hundreds of thousands of btc :P 1785195;1519084069;ben_vulpes;they'da had to have had the sense to use it 1785196;1519084859;ben_vulpes;i'm just going to grieve this beer: http://signage.showprg.com/GHC2017/day.php?number=4 1785197;1519084869;ben_vulpes;there are some gems in october 5th as well 1785198;1519084886;ben_vulpes;> effective, sustainable, and diverse search engine optimization 1785199;1519084887;ben_vulpes;WAT 1785200;1519085805;shinohai;"BORG" lol 1785201;1519086759;mircea_popescu;joecool "talking about bitcoin, even in a group, does not..." etc. 1785202;1519086783;mircea_popescu;im sure there's some poor africans in a center for businessmen "owing" each other trillions in notional btc as we speak, what's to keep 'em. 1785203;1519087699;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform mod6, all interested in the evolution of Pizarro's corporate structure please to review http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5 1785204;1519088874;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i gotta say that i do not understand the point of the candid photo request 1785205;1519089091;mircea_popescu;people tend to (stupidly) eschew taking photos of the important moments of their life, and then many years later they're left with meaningless albums of circumstantial bullcrap irrelevant to them. 1785206;1519089102;mircea_popescu;it's a sad fate to ~act out~ your own life, of all things. 1785207;1519089638;ben_vulpes;sure. i'd hate to lose your custom or his capitalization over what seems to me a trifle whose import i do not understand in the context of the isp. 1785208;1519089670;mircea_popescu;i'm going out on a limb here. i get to say what are teh trifles. 1785209;1519089856;ben_vulpes;poor word choice on my part. 1785210;1519089909;mircea_popescu;why's it anything on your part anyway ? 1785211;1519090032;ben_vulpes;i worry it'll wreck a thing i value and have put some sweat into for reasons beyond my ken. 1785212;1519090071;mircea_popescu;and if it does, it does you the great favour of rescuing the future you'd have poured into something that, in the cold light of day, wasn't worth it. 1785213;1519093747;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: i gotta say that i do not understand the point of the candid photo request << There is a crisis of faith, and the request is for an act of good faith in addressing the crisis. 1785214;1519093884;hanbot;imo trinque's insight the other night applies here also: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784548 1785215;1519093884;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 20:21 trinque: this thing doesn't need any more chatter; let the parties working work, and see what comes of it. 1785216;1519098088;mod6;Evenin', just catching up here.. 1785217;1519099161;mod6;Alright, one thing that can be cleared up imho: "asciilifeform will pay for the ticket out of his own pocket, with mod6 as backstop and ben_vulpes as secondary backstop." 1785218;1519099201;mod6;Possible change to: "asciilifeform will pay for BingoBoingo's plane ticket home out of his own pocket, with mod6 as backstop and ben_vulpes as secondary backstop." 1785219;1519099210;mod6;Just being a bit more clear on that part. 1785220;1519099350;mod6;Question 1: Will the foundation receive any shares for it's 1 BTC contribution? 1785221;1519099371;mircea_popescu;sure, when bonds convert, same as everyone 1785222;1519099391;mod6;Question 2: Where will the shares be issued? Or are they simply just to remain non-transferrable and a line item on the AN0 sheet? 1785223;1519099467;mircea_popescu;wherever it feels like neh ? 1785224;1519099581;mod6;Question 3: From the language of part, it sounds like asciilifeform, mod6 and Both Co-Chairs can each appoint one board member. A total of three board members will exist. Can an elected/appointed board member give up his seat at any time for another person? Or if not is the term of the board seat for the existance of the entity? 1785225;1519099586;mod6;"asciilifeform, mod6, and the chairmen of The Bitcoin Foundation will each appoint one board member, hire ben_vulpes to manage Pizarro, and hire BingoBoingo to perform remote hands labor." 1785226;1519099630;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> sure, when bonds convert, same as everyone << Sounds fine to me. 1785227;1519099640;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> wherever it feels like neh ? << Ah ok. 1785228;1519099699;mod6;asciilifeform, BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, any one else, feel free to weigh in on any of my Q's here. 1785229;1519099729;mircea_popescu;mod6 traditionally board membership changes are voted by the board. 1785230;1519099770;mod6;Ah, alright. Maybe there should be a line in there about that, and perhaps unanimous decision required. Or something of the kind. 1785231;1519099830;mod6;mircea_popescu: thanks for your guidence here. 1785232;1519099927;mod6;Question 4: Where should mod6's and asciilifeform's, and whatever remaining Bitcoin Foundation funds be sent? Do we need a public address to pay these to? 1785233;1519099951;mircea_popescu;im guessing the manager holds on to them ? or yuou want a separate treasurer ? 1785234;1519099958;mod6;(That's all I've got for now, other than those things, looks pretty good to me ben_vulpes. Nice work!) 1785235;1519100013;mod6;mircea_popescu: That might be something for us to consider, I do believe that ben_vulpes said he would handle this himself, at least for now. I guess there no reason why one couldn't be brought on later if the labor involved in that becomes to great for the operations manager. 1785236;1519102319;ben_vulpes;mod6: be so kind as to comment on the post, my good man 1785237;1519102651;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-20#1785233 << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784554 << treasurer still wanted, but i'll do the duties if nobody steps up; actually strikes me as a core responsibility of the manager of a bitcoin company 1785238;1519102651;a111;Logged on 2018-02-20 04:12 mircea_popescu: im guessing the manager holds on to them ? or yuou want a separate treasurer ? 1785239;1519102651;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 21:13 ben_vulpes: i would also like to deposit these funds with a non-involved individual to seal in blood the capitalization of this entity 1785240;1519102700;mircea_popescu;certainly for low sums like this 1785241;1519103044;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: be so kind as to comment on the post, my good man << alright, cool. 1785242;1519107069;mod6;I'm finding it hard to paste my things into there. 1785243;1519107078;mod6;I'll link my questions in #pizarro. 1785244;1519108055;mod6;I'm gonna try again with a different browser. 1785245;1519108319;mod6;Alright, success. 1785246;1519129641;shinohai;trinque: plz to check my deedbot tx when you awaken and ensure I didn't bork something? Thank you. 1785247;1519129647;shinohai;!!up freetlas 1785248;1519129648;deedbot;freetlas voiced for 30 minutes. 1785249;1519129665;mircea_popescu;dude srsly, ban evasion ? 1785250;1519129842;shinohai;wups 1785251;1519129930;mircea_popescu;schmuck will actually take the time to boot off a different interface, will however NOT take the time to address why he got banned in the first place. 1785252;1519129955;mircea_popescu;that's what i like about idiots, that they're determinedly idiotic. rarely you run into amateurs, it's generally pros all the way. 1785253;1519129976;shinohai;lolz 1785254;1519130044;mircea_popescu;argentina, too. 1785255;1519131182;shinohai;Ghehehe, Google "Hanno Bock" and http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ is still in top 5 results :) 1785256;1519131232;mircea_popescu;sure ; meanwhile consider this : the article the fetlife bot keeps linking to the fetlife tards ISNT in the top 20 of the month. 1785257;1519131238;mircea_popescu;ie, people don't read anything anyway. 1785258;1519131383;mircea_popescu;the sum total of "internet users" from the "informatrion superhighway" who sat down at any point since 2016 going "hmm... i wonder what my opinion of this hanno bock character should be. let's do some research..." is, rounded to the closest integer, zero. 1785259;1519131682;shinohai;I don't think people do any actual research anymore tbh. 1785260;1519131728;mircea_popescu;and it shows ; google has become, steadily but acceleratingly, worthless for research. i pointed this out, but the sum total of pantsuit complaints, summed again to the closest integer, is also zero. 1785261;1519131730;*;shinohai always rather enjoyed it, sort of a treasure hunt of facts if you will. 1785262;1519131738;mircea_popescu;you'd think someone'd notice if a tool they actually used went away. 1785263;1519131751;mircea_popescu;but... they didn't use it, and it doesn't work anymore, and they're quite happy together. 1785264;1519135698;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/having-dumped-dratel-ulbricht-continues-facing-grim-trial-aftermath/ << Qntra - Having Dumped Dratel Ulbricht Continues Facing Grim Trial Aftermath 1785265;1519137147;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> that's what i like about idiots, that they're determinedly idiotic. rarely you run into amateurs, it's generally pros all the way. << "expert beginners" 1785266;1519138466;trinque;shinohai: nothing wrong, just wait time can be up to 24hrs, and yesterday was busybusy. I'll get to ya this morning. 1785267;1519138594;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/20/eucrypt-corecting-error-in-oaep-check/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt: Correcting an Error in OAEP Check 1785268;1519138753;shinohai;ty trinque 1785269;1519139219;mircea_popescu;diana_coman is that like the first ? 1785270;1519139697;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, the first error I find in my published code, yes; there was the mpi error I corrected, previously 1785271;1519139723;mircea_popescu;aha 1785272;1519139732;mircea_popescu;well... mazel tov 1785273;1519143594;diana_coman;lol! at least I ...found it 1785274;1519145797;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/20/building-a-life-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Building A Life In Montevideo 1785275;1519146602;phf;PSA: btcbase is going to be down for half hour, tomorrow 2018-02-21 sometime between 19:00 to 20:30 1785276;1519146726;phf;err, that's UTC 1785277;1519146754;mod6;thanks for the notice phf 1785278;1519148248;mod6;hey hey 1785279;1519148307;shinohai;\o/ 1785280;1519148317;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1785281;1519148326;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11675.0, vol: 12824.84684660 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11685.0, vol: 54266.38668092 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11692.3, vol: 6985.13475618 | Volume-weighted last average: 11683.957063 1785282;1519148662;mod6;nice :] 1785283;1519148881;shinohai;ty mod6, some semblance of normalcy returns. 1785284;1519152740;mod6;wy 1785285;1519152743;mod6;*yw 1785286;1519153087;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2016/capi/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - capi 1785287;1519153088;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2016/hello/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - HELLO 1785288;1519153088;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2016/wp-content-for-a/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - wp-content for a. 1785289;1519153088;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2016/as-from-ccl/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - applescript from clozure 1785290;1519153088;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vdiff-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes 1785291;1519153088;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2018/coppa-airlines-baggage/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - Copa Airlines baggage policy 1785292;1519153539;BingoBoingo;In today's rereadings, courtesy the trilema front page http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ 1785293;1519154709;mircea_popescu;!!balance 1785294;1519154713;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DANyW/?raw=true 1785295;1519154732;mircea_popescu;speaking of, what's teh eta on history look like trinque ? 1785296;1519155599;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/dentist-with-a-view/ << Trilema - Dentist with a view 1785297;1519164730;shinohai;So BingoBoingo .... no word on teh scoop yet? 1785298;1519164743;BingoBoingo;From joecool, nada 1785299;1519168763;BingoBoingo;!!Up ag3nt_zer0 1785300;1519168763;deedbot;ag3nt_zer0 voiced for 30 minutes. 1785301;1519169587;ag3nt_zer0;hello BingoBoingo and Trilema 1785302;1519169601;BingoBoingo;Hello, sup? 1785303;1519169640;ag3nt_zer0;how goes it? just came across the unsettling news... 1785304;1519169720;ag3nt_zer0;i'm not hip to the details. is it still desirable to get trb nodes up? 1785305;1519169744;trinque;mircea_popescu: oughta be able to get that out this weekend. 1785306;1519169918;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: what kind of question is that? 1785307;1519169921;BingoBoingo;ag3nt_zer0: What troubling news? TRB still exists, and management of the ISP development in a transition process http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5 1785308;1519169928;ag3nt_zer0;encountering this problem here installing packages required for GNUGPG ubuntu install. telling me i need for instance libgcrypt to build this program, when libgcrypt was the first one i configured - perhaps I was supposed to tell it where to configure? sorry no pastebin i am on another computer here... 1785309;1519169965;trinque;dude, no more "this is stuff they talk about" word salad 1785310;1519169975;trinque;did you have a trb question, a gpg question, indigestion, what 1785311;1519170149;shinohai;ag3nt_zer0: best bet is to simply nuke the Ubuntu gpg and build from sauce. 1785312;1519170151;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: hi. they were connected. if trb nodes are still being desired, i am trying to set one up. i am trying to install GNUGPG on the linux machine so i can verify trb sigs. and i keep getting this problem described above 1785313;1519170176;trinque;what is this "still being desired"? do you not follow the logs? 1785314;1519170187;shinohai;(Likely you have gpg2 which will not function correctly) 1785315;1519170254;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: trying to build from scratch here 1785316;1519170278;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: 2.2.4 1785317;1519170282;shinohai;^ 1785318;1519170294;shinohai;Will not work, try gpg 1.4.10 1785319;1519170311;*;trinque has other things to do, but consider. used to beat people for not doing their six months of logs reading. 1785320;1519170315;ag3nt_zer0;ok 1785321;1519170324;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: you've been coming by for how long, and what have you produced? 1785322;1519170363;trinque;you know how to search. these threads probably number in the hundreds by now. 1785323;1519170386;mod6;ag3nt_zer0: shinohai has it. no gpg2. 1785324;1519170408;mod6;let us know how it goes after you get 1.4.x 1785325;1519170655;mircea_popescu;a great. 1785326;1519170671;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 you keep doing this number whereby you drop by now and again to expose us to your magnificently solipsist persona. 1785327;1519170690;mircea_popescu;we don't give a shit about your persona. for one thing it's not even remotely acceptable, let alone cool. 1785328;1519170710;mircea_popescu;either fix yourself to fit in or else stop bothering to come by, because the next time you do one of these ima just block you. 1785329;1519170775;*;mircea_popescu is getting intolerant of the whole punkmanist/indiancandy style "o hey, maybe they forgot?!" 1785330;1519170946;BingoBoingo;It'll prolly be a while till the USD downmarch shakes out the whole "remember we showed up once X years ago" crowd. 1785331;1519172117;mircea_popescu;no but i mean the fucking lameness of it. dood's got a "well rounded internet experience", he's got a mortgage and a boring wife and a boring job and a hp he bought at the store, and he "logs in" for a coupla hours four times a week or w/e. every nine weeks and a half we pop up again in the rotation, he's done 4chan, reddit, facebook, whatever, "i wonder what THOSE zany kids are up to these days". 1785332;1519172153;mircea_popescu;hurr durr, if the soccer mom / couch dad could possibly do this irl, they'd totally teleport various places while seated in their livingroom couch. 1785333;1519172181;shinohai;Hey .... I got an hp xD 1785334;1519172210;mircea_popescu;surfer beach, you know, miles of perfect ocean, some dudes hanging around, *ping* there's us consumertard in his house pants, chips crumbs in his lap, "o hey dudes, how's the surf ? hurr durr" half hour later, *ping* he's disappeared, with the firm notion that he "participated" in "surfer culture" 1785335;1519172256;mircea_popescu;for a coupla hours five times a year, such participation as'd befit the bad name his culture got. 1785336;1519172290;mircea_popescu;shinohai i got a hp laptop recently too, say, but desktops really should be assembled from parts. 1785337;1519172379;shinohai;I agree. my trb node runs on very old compaq which is actually far superior. I played Eulora on it when I first started (using ssh -X !) because the keyboard is long borked. 1785338;1519172477;BingoBoingo;Ah, that. Still quite a few of the 5 hour a year crowd too. 1785339;1519172501;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes hey, does fetlife want to hire you too, or did they taylor the pop-up ? 1785340;1519172510;ben_vulpes;hah! 1785341;1519172535;ben_vulpes;i've not been on fetlife in some time so i couldn't say 1785342;1519172549;mircea_popescu;well so log and see if they're trying to hire you too 1785343;1519172633;BingoBoingo;Hey, it worked out so well for OKC 1785344;1519172646;mircea_popescu;lol 1785345;1519172656;ben_vulpes;inb4 mircea_popescu has bought fetlife ads that SPECTRE with javascript 1785346;1519172673;mircea_popescu;why, you think the herd'd be worth it ? 1785347;1519172676;*;mircea_popescu seriously doubts this. 1785348;1519172801;ben_vulpes;teh caretaking team purplebanner? 1785349;1519172822;mircea_popescu;yeah 1785350;1519172841;ben_vulpes;they want to hire someone kink friendly if you can imagine that 1785351;1519172847;mircea_popescu;heh 1785352;1519172928;ben_vulpes;lol that's right this site is garbage 1785353;1519173025;ben_vulpes;god damn the whole internet is garbage. last night i was idly looking into long-term synovial fluid health (surprise: webmd is useless and all that google will return results for i wonder why) and found several webshites that while scrolling would arbitrarily jump the page an inch or so at specific points the reasoning for which i could not determine 1785354;1519173048;mircea_popescu;not a particularly well understood topic in any case. 1785355;1519173079;mircea_popescu;but yes, things went downhill from the 80s when chet diagnosed her rare eye condition / located specialist via gopher to today. 1785356;1519173184;ben_vulpes;there was also an ad for some kind of novel pharmacofinelyspunhydrocarbon for the sexually-active-but-wanting-to-not-catch-teh-HIV (which, excuse me darling, why are they advertising us aidsmeds on the craplet) that was 30% vertical space for ad and 70% vertical space dedicated to a slow-scroll of finetext with i shit thee not buttons that had triggerable down and up states but *did not affect the scrolling* 1785357;1519173229;ben_vulpes;and ofc a non-draggable scroll bar 1785358;1519173261;mircea_popescu;sounds like a quarter million well spent 1785359;1519173310;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA << oblig from when a million meant something 1785360;1519176092;mod6;Evenin' 1785361;1519176109;ben_vulpes;noches, mod6 1785362;1519176112;mircea_popescu;how's tricks 1785363;1519176405;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9c3h9/?raw=true 1785364;1519176405;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1785365;1519176673;mod6;Good Gentlemen. How's everything going today? 1785366;1519176944;shinohai;Not bad here mod6 .... home from salt mines? 1785367;1519177096;mod6;ya 1785368;1519177124;mod6;I had a guy tell me with a straight face, "I only write performant code." 1785369;1519177155;mod6;Same guy also told me, "Yeah, there are some performance problems... but we're gonna switch to java 8, so that should take care of it." 1785370;1519177167;mod6;mmmhmm 1785371;1519177258;mod6;java 8, fixes your shit, fucks your wife, pays your bills, disciplines your kids. all part of the thing dontchaknow. 1785372;1519177331;shinohai;java .... oh boy 1785373;1519177345;*;shinohai pages freakyfractal 1785374;1519177361;shinohai;Poor guy is a java developer :/ 1785375;1519177393;mod6;im gonna give this shit up, go back to being a lumberjack. 1785376;1519177418;shinohai;lol 1785377;1519177427;mircea_popescu;i guess we're lucky to have him, huh 1785378;1519177470;mod6;hehehe. it's been a steady march into perdition in the salt mines the last week or so. 1785379;1519177578;mod6;some days though, i really do miss running the chainsaw and the smell - the trees, the gasoline 1785380;1519177586;mod6;fresh air. 1785381;1519177648;mod6;Did I ever tell you guys about doing tree work down in Arizona? 1785382;1519177655;mircea_popescu;dun think so 1785383;1519177690;mod6;I needed some cash in like 2008 and was like, "alright, lemme get a saw and do some slash & burn for cash...". Was thinking, "Oh yeah, eazy-money, here we go!" 1785384;1519177698;mircea_popescu;ahaha what 1785385;1519177782;mod6;Umm no. Those mesquite trees and palo verde trees have NASTY barbs on them. After cutting down 1 mesquite tree it looked like I got into a fight with a wolverine. 1785386;1519177830;shinohai;Did you have a Big blue Ox too? 1785387;1519177832;mod6;Shit is like razor wire or something. And what's worse, is they're a sort of locust style tree -- and when they have leaves on 'em shit sticks together like velcro. 1785388;1519177878;mod6;Gave that shit up in a hurry. 1785389;1519177887;mod6;Not like the trees up in MN. 1785390;1519177888;mircea_popescu;sounda about right 1785391;1519177917;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu et al 1785392;1519177926;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: charter looks ok to me 1785393;1519177926;mod6;hey hey hey lbj 1785394;1519177943;*;mircea_popescu waves 1785395;1519177998;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox to clarify what it was you wanted a photosouvenir of -- asciilifeform's torture room clocks ? 1785396;1519178024;mircea_popescu;the chess clock & corkboard you're using to schedule&timekeep 1785397;1519178059;asciilifeform;aa i'll make one, np. it's ugly tho. still massaging out the process. 1785398;1519178066;mircea_popescu;i imagined. 1785399;1519178118;*;asciilifeform eaten the quite compact l0gz 1785400;1519178333;mod6;Wasn't actually too much later I was walkin down the street in Tucson thinking... "I wonder when someone is going to make a currency out of cryptography like Schneier was talking about in Applied Crypto.." 1785401;1519178348;mod6;Probably about that same time infact. 1785402;1519178402;mircea_popescu;ha! 1785403;1519178447;mod6;I had remembered reading about that in there, probably in like 99 or 2000. This was eight years later. I knew though, once it was a thing, then I had to get involved. 1785404;1519178484;mod6;The Bernak had just bailed out the banks. I remember some Time Magazine cover "The Hero." Or some such nonsense, scary stuff. 1785405;1519178583;mod6;Ah, that was a different cover. I guess in 2009 it was "Person of the Year". Seriously. Person. Of. The. Year. 1785406;1519178627;mod6;Anyway, sorry for that trip down amnesia lane. 1785407;1519178765;mircea_popescu;i think that was 2009 1785408;1519178770;mircea_popescu;tlp also threw up chunks 1785409;1519178784;mod6;<+shinohai> Did you have a Big blue Ox too? << would have been better to ride an ox than fight through all the Tucson stoplights. But, no, sadly. 1785410;1519178791;mircea_popescu;you recall, they tried to do online poll, 4chan owned it, made m00t person of the year 1785411;1519178808;mircea_popescu;asshats failed to admit they failed, declared "you" winner. 1785412;1519178817;mircea_popescu;because pantsuit can't breathe if not pantsuiting. 1785413;1519178884;mod6;haha, indeed. I seem to remember reading something way later about m00t. maybe someone mentioned it here. 1785414;1519178918;mod6;ah yeah 1785415;1519178943;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2012-12-14#-190548 1785416;1519178943;a111;Logged on 2012-12-14 03:57 Chaang-Noi: talked to m00t yesterday about bitcoin :) pretty epic 1785417;1519178944;shinohai;kek I remember that 1785418;1519179158;mod6;wow, reading that old log... B.VPS was still trading.. 1785419;1519179182;mod6;*ahem* S.BVPS 1785420;1519179192;mod6;guess it was a long time ago. 1785421;1519179200;mircea_popescu;time waits for no one 1785422;1519179290;mod6;indeed. 1785423;1519179295;mod6;check it out: http://btcbase.org/log/2012-12-14#-190195 1785424;1519179295;a111;Logged on 2012-12-14 07:15 gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.74690, Best ask: 13.74691, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.74690, 24 hour volume: 22405.29779859, 24 hour low: 13.46777, 24 hour high: 13.80000, 24 hour vwap: 13.69301 1785425;1519179302;mircea_popescu;heheeh 1785426;1519179308;mod6;speaking of time waits for no one. 1785427;1519182240;shinohai;I had to screenshot this because protected tweets, but wanted to preserve the lulz: https://imgur.com/a/y6YoK 1785428;1519191350;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-20#1785295 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yopbx/?raw=true << preview 1785429;1519191350;a111;Logged on 2018-02-20 19:25 mircea_popescu: speaking of, what's teh eta on history look like trinque ? 1785430;1519219732;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai, got some edits but good stuff 1785431;1519219750;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/maduro-government-in-venezuela-attempts-ico/ << Qntra - Maduro Government In Venezuela Attempts ICO 1785432;1519225434;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo ! 1785433;1519225477;mod6;Mornin' 1785434;1519225488;shinohai;Heya mod6 :D 1785435;1519225500;shinohai;How goes today? 1785436;1519226391;mod6;Ah, not bad, you? 1785437;1519226557;shinohai;Pretty good here, enjoying the 72 degree weather @ 10 am lol 1785438;1519226564;shinohai;Southern weather is ridiculous 1785439;1519226730;trinque;Houston went from 70s to 30s in one day this winter 1785440;1519226807;shinohai;Wow. I fully expect that to happen here though, it being only February. At least 1-2 more weeks of cold at some point. 1785441;1519226823;mod6;damn 70's eh? 1785442;1519226946;shinohai;I almost want to go fishing today. 1785443;1519226987;mod6;Sounds like fun. 1785444;1519227018;mod6;Right now, it's 7 here. 1785445;1519227070;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/bittorrent-inc-milks-window-to-let-code-execution-bug-live/ << Qntra - "Bittorrent Inc" Milks Window To Let Code Execution Bug Live 1785446;1519227082;trinque;glad to see qntra in my morning reading again, btw. 1785447;1519227090;mod6;^ 1785448;1519227132;BingoBoingo;trinque: ty, I am trying to get that habit into habituation again 1785449;1519235974;lobbes;Phew, been thinking through this archive download process the past few weeks. For one, I realized that I needed to do -some- type of "deduping" on the contents of each zip I've downloaded. Ended up building a process that hashes the hashes of each file in each zip. Identified some 30k dupes this way. Currently building the front-end queries to show only distinct results in searches. 1785450;1519235978;lobbes;This exercise lead me to think about many other small but important details regarding how download requests will work. I'ma thinking I ought to bake a blog post for general input 1785451;1519236216;trinque;neat lobbes, will read 1785452;1519236312;lobbes;ty trinque 1785453;1519238700;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-21#1785428 << ahh that is fucking beautiful 1785454;1519238700;a111;Logged on 2018-02-21 05:35 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-20#1785295 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yopbx/?raw=true << preview 1785455;1519238854;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-21#1785449 << do you understand merkle trees ? 1785456;1519238854;a111;Logged on 2018-02-21 17:59 lobbes: Phew, been thinking through this archive download process the past few weeks. For one, I realized that I needed to do -some- type of "deduping" on the contents of each zip I've downloaded. Ended up building a process that hashes the hashes of each file in each zip. Identified some 30k dupes this way. Currently building the front-end queries to show only distinct results in searches. 1785457;1519238877;mircea_popescu;the only sane way to go about his is to do poor man's (rather, "artificially intelligent") document ASTs in the shape of merkle trees of all their contents. 1785458;1519238923;mircea_popescu;normally i'd have alf explain it to you ; but he's busy. so what i want you to do is write a blog article about "how to use merkle trees to avoid duplicate problem in web page archiving", and then i'll comment on it. 1785459;1519239531;shinohai;https://www.emsec.rub.de/media/crypto/attachments/files/2011/04/becker_1.pdf <<< Paper on subject of merkle trees I found handy lobbes, for your perusal 1785460;1519241145;lobbes;mircea_popescu: aha. Other than the subj. popping up in logs occasionally and my looking it up I really don't have a firm grasp on merkle trees. I will happily digest and produce blog post once completed with homework. 1785461;1519241156;lobbes;And ty shinohai for reading 1785462;1519241194;mircea_popescu;it'll be quite empowering, so well worth your time. 1785463;1519241391;mod6;lobbes: cool 1785464;1519241456;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2018/02/bittorrent-inc-milks-window-to-let-code-execution-bug-live/#comment-110486 1785465;1519241724;mircea_popescu;phf is the search brokened ? 1785466;1519241878;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-2-20#306176 1785467;1519241901;mircea_popescu;o wow i hit it exactly ? 1785468;1519241904;*;mircea_popescu is terrible at time. 1785469;1519247433;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/ << Trilema - The Republic without MP 1785470;1519252646;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/buttfunder-founder-montroll-arrested/ << Qntra - Buttfunder Founder Montroll Arrested 1785471;1519257592;deedbot;http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-genesis/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vtools genesis 1785472;1519257695;phf;^ comments welcome, hanbot let me know if you have problems getting it working, feedback from mp-wp would be appreciated 1785473;1519258705;mod6;phf: was able to press just fine, I did get an error on build, but it still spit me out a vdiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5Szrt/?raw=true 1785474;1519258736;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/21/the-hostel-as-home/ << Bingo Blog - The Hostel As Home 1785475;1519258810;mod6;fwiw I used that binary produced, even with the error, to test and see if it would yield the same vdiff as the original would, and so far, looks like it works just the same as printed on the box. I don't have as good of a test case as hanbot will have tho. Mine was very basic. 1785476;1519259108;mod6;here's what my test looks like: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7Y0RU/?raw=true 1785477;1519259131;mod6;again, uber simple, i encourage everyone out there to test with wider testcases ofc. 1785478;1519261245;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785473 << thanks for fast testing! the warning is harmless, i frankly got desensitized to it, and it slipped through the cracks. the entire error.c needs to be cut anyway, but it's a low hanging fruit 1785479;1519261245;a111;Logged on 2018-02-22 00:18 mod6: phf: was able to press just fine, I did get an error on build, but it still spit me out a vdiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5Szrt/?raw=true 1785480;1519263366;mod6;alright! My bad before, that problem wasn't an "error" proper, it was a Warning, a Warning in 'error.c'. If I'd read more carefully I'd probably have noticed. 1785481;1519263389;mod6;Anyway, phf did a quick change. It's all good now: 1785482;1519263389;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lk75b/?raw=true 1785483;1519263545;mod6;If anyone is curious what the sha512s are for those vpatches & sigs I used in my latest test, they are here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vV3ti/?raw=true 1785484;1519269627;mircea_popescu;exciting times. 1785485;1519269831;mod6;yeah, indeed. 1785486;1519269840;mod6;how goes today? 1785487;1519269866;mircea_popescu;pretty great. on the tail end of a "hey, wanna go to the beach ?" "sure!" 1785488;1519270085;mod6;that sounds nice. 1785489;1519270184;*;ben_vulpes would dearly like to arbitrarily hie to the beach 1785490;1519270258;mod6;^ 1785491;1519270523;mircea_popescu;it's only like 50 miles or so 1785492;1519270556;mod6;that's not too bad. bout an hour drive eh? 1785493;1519270569;mircea_popescu;oh, and also, the police here utterly don't gaf. car doing 150 in an 80 zone, highway patrol right there, couldn't be arsed. 1785494;1519270585;mircea_popescu;it's like a better romania of the 90s. 1785495;1519270596;mod6;nice :] 1785496;1519270644;mircea_popescu;so sunset on teh beach. 1785497;1519274332;ben_vulpes;!!deed http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/pizarro_charter.ben_vulpes.asc 1785498;1519274338;deedbot;accepted: 1 1785499;1519276515;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-510352.txt 1785500;1519277495;ben_vulpes;btcvixen: can't even afford an irc client that stays connected all the time, can you 1785501;1519277542;ben_vulpes;nah it's funnier this way 1785502;1519277547;ben_vulpes;gonna call my office again? 1785503;1519280585;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what's the trilema where you do the math on variance in abilities between the sexes? 1785504;1519285296;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/why-are-the-kids-hell-bent-on-killing-each-other << CH - Why are the kids hell-bent on killing each other? 1785505;1519290482;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/ ? 1785506;1519298881;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "ridiculously outsized" 1785507;1519298941;mircea_popescu;also, have you ever considered paragraphs ? 1785508;1519298948;mircea_popescu;or you know, commas maybe ? non run-on sentences ? 1785509;1519299184;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/cu-cartile-pe-masa-un-fleac-l-au-ciuruit/ << Trilema - Cu cartile pe masa : un fleac, l-au ciuruit. 1785510;1519302179;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/22/eucrypt-chapter-11-serpent/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 11: Serpent 1785511;1519302385;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785472 <- I confirm it pressed fine + it vdiffed eucrypt's chapter 11 files as expected - with the difference in order of files as your post clearly states; for anybody interested, see ^ for the diff of the 2 vpatches 1785512;1519302385;a111;Logged on 2018-02-22 00:01 phf: ^ comments welcome, hanbot let me know if you have problems getting it working, feedback from mp-wp would be appreciated 1785513;1519302580;mircea_popescu;nice 1785514;1519308399;shinohai;phf, I also have successfully pressed your vdiff, works fine so far. I excised error.c and error.h from mine in second build, per: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785478 also worked fine. 1785515;1519308399;a111;Logged on 2018-02-22 01:00 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785473 << thanks for fast testing! the warning is harmless, i frankly got desensitized to it, and it slipped through the cracks. the entire error.c needs to be cut anyway, but it's a low hanging fruit 1785516;1519308966;shinohai;Also, note to mod6, this was tested using new experimental `V` with changes, pm me later if you have questions but all seems to behave correctly. 1785517;1519311617;asciilifeform;!!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pizarro_charter.asciilifeform.txt 1785518;1519311623;deedbot;accepted: 1 1785519;1519312045;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://aaronrogier.net/pizaro.txt 1785520;1519312051;deedbot;accepted: 1 1785521;1519315239;mod6;Mornin' 1785522;1519315949;shinohai;morning mod6 1785523;1519316817;mod6;how goes shinohai? 1785524;1519317373;shinohai;ok here and you? 1785525;1519317794;mod6;Doin well! Combing through this charter. 1785526;1519317913;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-510424.txt 1785527;1519318522;mod6;!!deed http://www.mod6.net/pizarro/charter.txt.asc 1785528;1519318525;deedbot;accepted: 1 1785529;1519318573;mod6;Here's my detached sig: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro/pizarro_charter_genesis.vpatch.mod6.sig 1785530;1519319136;mod6;Ah crap. Disregard this ^ -- I screwed up and created a detached sig of the charter.txt proper, not the vpatch. hurr durr. 1785531;1519319300;mod6;fwiw, V caught this mistake: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Kxkxe/?raw=true 1785532;1519319455;shinohai;nice work V 1785533;1519319520;mod6;silver lining 'eh 1785534;1519319576;mod6;this time i was like "WAT?!", but then i was like "ok, MOST of the time this thing is correct if it's complaining, I must have did something wrong... but what could it be?!" 1785535;1519319587;mod6;then it dawned on me. 1785536;1519319714;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-510428.txt 1785537;1519319939;mod6;Alright, fixed. Link is the same as before: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro/pizarro_charter_genesis.vpatch.mod6.sig 1785538;1519319961;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vHzJf/?raw=true 1785539;1519319979;mod6;My apologies. 1785540;1519322679;ben_vulpes;neato mod6 tyvm 1785541;1519323413;mod6;yw 1785542;1519324682;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/19883 1785543;1519324713;ben_vulpes;> Critical Linux filesystem permissions are being changed by latest version 1785544;1519325055;mircea_popescu;mostly amusing for the "someone somewhere is actually still trying to push this "latest version" wank". 1785545;1519325072;mod6;hue. he went to jared. 1785546;1519327439;ben_vulpes;trinque and anyone else interested in colocating with Pizarro, here's a draft contract for review: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MBQmX/?raw=true 1785547;1519327702;ben_vulpes;trinque: can i get the pizarro website's rss feed added to deedbot? 1785548;1519327910;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 << PizzaroISP - Provisional Charter for Pizarro 1785549;1519327910;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5 << PizzaroISP - Provisional Articles of Incorporation, notes 1785550;1519327957;trinque;there ya go 1785551;1519327998;ben_vulpes;groovy, gracias 1785552;1519328017;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1784957 << sounds great; I'll work it in 1785553;1519328017;a111;Logged on 2018-02-19 14:57 mircea_popescu: then the corresponding can also be implemented (l1 can have any blog added). vaguely curious as to results. 1785554;1519328054;ben_vulpes;great now we can get https://www.oglaf.com/feeds/rss/ 1785555;1519328070;mircea_popescu;old style clubs' way of working, at any rate 1785556;1519328101;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i dunno that i could be arsed to read/whatever a contract tbh ; but do you have a gearlist or anything yet ? 1785557;1519328241;ben_vulpes;not yet, still wrapping up the first courier run. when you say gearlist, you mean "machines Pizarro is buying and will lease out"? 1785558;1519328297;ben_vulpes;i have one machine that's about to come out of the crate that i'll detail on the blog; i'd intended it for vpsen but would also be happy to lease it entire. 1785559;1519328414;ben_vulpes;hey mod6 if there's demand for boxes, would you be averse to selling the machines we got for the foundation to pizarro for leasing on? we can always get another couple of machines, it's not as though the two we bought for the foundation are super important to get racked right now; i'm sure other folks might be willing to rent 'em out and that'd be a great thing for pizarro's cashflow 1785560;1519328489;mod6;Hmm. 1785561;1519328539;mod6;Well, first off, those are The Foundation's assets. 1785562;1519328579;mod6;There may be some accounting considerations. 1785563;1519328691;mod6;Feels like it'd be hairy. Although, I can see the possible necessity. If I can be convinced that the accounting will be simple and straightforward for the public, I'll consider it more. 1785564;1519328811;ben_vulpes;i've got a pretty cut-and-dried cost basis for those two machines. it'll look like an line expense for the machines and hardware, followed by a line of income for sale-of-assets matching to the satoshi, plus possibly a token fee to the foundation for assembling them. 1785565;1519329147;mod6;The goal for the Foundation is to get 2, 1U rack spaces for machines to host trb + webhost/mirror. 1785566;1519329330;mod6;I think the foundation should avoid this sale. 1785567;1519329408;ben_vulpes;mk then 1785568;1519330710;mod6;I suppose, if we could get the following commitments: 1) Someone in L1 (L2?) to source two new machines [with equiv specs] for The Foundation, delivered to ben_vulpes March 31st. 2) A delivery plan for these two new machines to Pizaroo in .uy. 1785569;1519330758;mod6;3) Pizarro to signoff on 2U reserved for The Foundation. 1785570;1519330779;mod6;That may make it satisfactory. 1785571;1519331159;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/fickle-fiat-twenty-year-old-social-media-user-knocks-1-3-billion-usd-off-snapchat-market-cap/ << Qntra - Fickle Fiat: Twenty Year Old Social Media User Knocks 1.3 Billion USD Off Snapchat Market Cap 1785572;1519336876;mod6;jurov: I sent an email to the ML, but isn't showing up. I can confirm that the clearsigned data verifies on my end. 1785573;1519336976;mod6;Lords and Ladies of TMSR~, I am happy to announce the release of my V : version 99993 K. The tarball has been posted to the website http://thebitcoin.foundation : Also, take note, the trb-howto guide linked on The Foundation website has also been updated. 1785574;1519337097;shinohai;dibs on first 2 verify 1785575;1519337286;mod6;Thanks shinohai 1785576;1519337525;shinohai;o7 1785577;1519337565;shinohai;and phf's diff + ur vtron passed a personal vtest 2gether as well 1785578;1519337592;shinohai;for my genesis on btcinfo 1785579;1519337604;mod6;Thanks for testing shinohai. Very useful work. 1785580;1519337735;shinohai;ty 1785581;1519339026;mod6;!!up Loren 1785582;1519339027;deedbot;Loren voiced for 30 minutes. 1785583;1519339956;Loren;I just read the declaration of sovereignty. I found it very interesting, but I'm leaving because I have nothing interesting to say. I've to read the logs first. 1785584;1519339987;mod6;Alright 1785585;1519340016;mod6;Loren: That's the best approach, happy to see that. Stop back if you have Q's. 1785586;1519340099;shinohai;Esperamos que pronto vueltas! 1785587;1519340102;spyked;hey mod6, I just checked v99993 using ffa ch1-5 and also used it to test a press of phf's vtools and it works fine. NB: Debian systems are now pretty much broken and won't allow setting the default gpg to v1, so I had to manually replace the gpg calls in v.pl to use gpg1. 1785588;1519340139;shinohai;neat spyked ... had any luck w/ w3m-js ? 1785589;1519340181;mod6;hey spyked, thanks for testing & the report back. 1785590;1519340243;spyked;yw! (also, ty for the release!) 1785591;1519340253;mod6;np, yw :] 1785592;1519340299;spyked;hi shinohai. I compiled it and ran it, but running trilema js still doesn't work. I've also tried a few other browsers with similar results. I am trying some simpler js snippets to get an idea of what works and what not 1785593;1519340311;spyked;will write up a blog post when I'm done 1785594;1519340327;mod6;trinque: (and others) let's circle back around and catch up cuntoo sometime in early march. 1785595;1519340344;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/missouri-governor-arrested-by-saint-louis-pantsuits-for-invasion-of-privacy-allegations/ << Qntra - Missouri Governor Arrested By Saint Louis Pantsuits For "Invasion of Privacy" Allegations 1785596;1519340351;shinohai;neat, thanks! I got weird behavior for most part when i last compiled 1785597;1519340356;trinque;mod6: finished item's sitting on my blog, waiting for others to test 1785598;1519340394;mod6;yup, i recall. thanks for posting that. I need to go through the steps myself. maybe can do here in the next couple of weeks. 1785599;1519340405;mod6;I'd love to see others step up and work through that as well. 1785600;1519340411;trinque;would be great. once I've gotten feedback from several folks I'll genesis. 1785601;1519340495;spyked;shinohai, my guess so far is that text browsers completely lack window interaction (e.g. scrolling, text highlighting), so they can't do the Trilema bits. but I want to be able to give a proper answer, which requires a bit of debugging. 1785602;1519340532;spyked;and there are other things missing, e.g. links2 doesn't do regex parsing. 1785603;1519340533;shinohai;im using uxrvt if that matters btw 1785604;1519340538;spyked;me too 1785605;1519340567;trinque;mod6: contributed kernel configs for good hardware (goes right along with the republic's recommended hardware list) are wanted 1785606;1519340603;mod6;Alright, noted. I'm basically using some generics + one that has broadcomm support. 1785607;1519340625;mod6;Not sure of those are altogether interesting. But if they are, can throw them somewhere for review. 1785608;1519340635;shinohai;https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20180221201856 1785609;1519340654;trinque;nah, idea is that "this is the *correct* kernel config for particular machine M" 1785610;1519340659;trinque;and we get a repository of those going. 1785611;1519340696;trinque;creates a place for debate on *what's* correct 1785612;1519340727;trinque;kernel for machine M1 doesn't need any extra code present for drivers for M2 1785613;1519340769;mod6;Ah, ok. 1785614;1519340791;mod6;Sure, let's circle back around, I'll send what i've got. others can send theirs too. 1785615;1519340810;mod6;republic needs its own os. 1785616;1519340828;mod6;also to go along with pizarro's hardware, etc. 1785617;1519340835;trinque;quite 1785618;1519342273;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes for instance ; or machines pizarro thinks are worth racking, with pros and cons. or anything really. 1785619;1519342391;mircea_popescu;spyked speaking of broken : "modern system" means that if you restart x, all gui apps die. 1785620;1519342401;mircea_popescu;because why just fucking restart x. 1785621;1519342464;mircea_popescu;and also, why the fuck would text browser lack highlighting. how's it supposed to even work. 1785622;1519342539;mircea_popescu;mod6 it is incorrect to start with the pie-in-sky "own os" though. it is instead correct to start with a catalogue of usable if unideal extants. 1785623;1519342609;mircea_popescu;!~later tell loren good idea to get your key in wot anyway ; otherwise the eventual "loren" will still be a day old item 1785624;1519342610;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1785625;1519342662;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, ok. 1785626;1519342898;mod6;ohhh 'un-ideal'. gotcha. was thinking "what does unideal mean?!" 1785627;1519344279;mircea_popescu;not ideal :p 1785628;1519344556;mod6;:] 1785629;1519344570;mod6;over-thought that WAY too much 1785630;1519348820;hanbot;in today's lols, i go to make the new vdiff, i get http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WoPts/?raw=true 1785631;1519349051;mod6;huh. did everything press ok? 1785632;1519349427;shinohai;II removed the error message thingy and works fine for me now, nothing: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3MUUj/?raw=true 1785633;1519349696;hanbot;mod6 yeah 1785634;1519349703;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes to explain what i mean : there's some reality the contract handles (R) and some actual wording of the contract W. the delta R-W can be brought under an arbitrary value epsilon, but not to zero. the delta epsilon translates in a delta time dT you have to pour into the wringing of this allignment. 1785635;1519349703;mircea_popescu;then later, events E that fall within W will take (putatively) less time to resolve than events E' that fall within the epsilon ; however a) the probability of E'/E is not equal to the factor R/epsilon (but worse) and b) all this requires people actually read W, which is a cost (leaving aside how it's also something some won't pay). 1785636;1519349703;mircea_popescu;as in any case the E' will have to be resolved by recourse to the forum, and as b) is not all that insignificant, the dT investment is a poor usage of your limited T resource. 1785637;1519349705;mircea_popescu;meanwhile being able to authoritatively answer "buy X, not Y" is very valuable, because unlike the above scenario, where time you expend actually dampens republican affairs (as for every dT you put in, everyone has to put in some d'T as well), this on the contrary leverages : for every dT you put in, everyone DOESN'T have to put in some d''T. 1785638;1519349711;mircea_popescu;besideswhich : the "soft consensus" as to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 "is no good" has no actual backing ; and i strongly suspect you couldn't actually explain to me what exactly is wrong with either cpu or motherboard. well... 1785639;1519349711;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? 1785640;1519349730;mircea_popescu;hanbot im willing to bet shitty gcc. what version is it ? 1785641;1519349817;hanbot;4.4.3. just saying. 1785642;1519349869;mircea_popescu;heh 1785643;1519353204;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: very sensible, ty 1785644;1519353300;*;ben_vulpes bbl, sister got engaged, bubblestiem 1785645;1519354911;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785630 << naturally. i'll see if i can reproduce it 1785646;1519354911;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 01:20 hanbot: in today's lols, i go to make the new vdiff, i get http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WoPts/?raw=true 1785647;1519356214;hanbot;phf anyway re your footnote four, i think it looks great, and stolen takes one l, though "stollen from elsewhere" sounds delicious 1785648;1519356239;mircea_popescu;also stallin 1785649;1519357167;phf;a ty 1785650;1519360782;mircea_popescu;phf so what is the call on republican alphabetic order ? "all strings are made of bytes and the byte order is the alphabetic order" ? 1785651;1519360882;mircea_popescu;specifically in our case, dot (2e) comes after dash (2d) ? 1785652;1519392771;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785620 <-- X11 implementation of client-server model is broken (in more than one way), X clients could in principle recover from this condition, but they don't. 1785653;1519392771;a111;Logged on 2018-02-22 23:33 mircea_popescu: because why just fucking restart x. 1785654;1519392978;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785621 <-- ugh, my engrish; of course, by "highlighting" I mean "text selection", which is a GUI thing, and w3m and lynx/links seem to lack it altogether. now, scrolling they don't lack, but the js bit still doesn't implement window.scroll. anyway, let's consider the fact that text editors implement both selection and scrolling (and possibly other features useful for a browser), so a stripped-down text 1785655;1519392978;a111;Logged on 2018-02-22 23:34 mircea_popescu: and also, why the fuck would text browser lack highlighting. how's it supposed to even work. 1785656;1519392984;spyked;editor might actually make a good basis for a browser. emacs, if we were to take greenspun's tenth rule into account. 1785657;1519393210;spyked;there's another thing, though I still have to get up to date on http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hypertext : teh Trilema JS is trying to solve what seems to be a limitation in the current URI scheme. the "resource" in URI refers to documents/pages (files!), whereas we want to (and it would be useful to be able to) link to subtrees in the document. 1785658;1519393344;spyked;very similar discussion to e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758790 ; diff works on hunks, not files, similarly, hypertext works on trees, not files. but this is only a (not very well thought out so far) intuition. 1785659;1519393344;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:42 phf: we also at some point had a thread, where i believe ascii but also others were leaning towards the idea of a single file vpatches (i.e. that a vpatch should only ever contain hunks for a single file). i'm starting to think that multi-file solutions in general are a hack ("we can't fit the entire compilation in memory"), but then i've been looking at TeX on one hand, and the "millions of support files" in diff/patch on the other 1785660;1519397373;mircea_popescu;spyked no, ~i know~ 1785661;1519397379;mircea_popescu;that's the fucking problem, x is "mature" rather than the abstract joke it was in the 90s, yet it STILL doesn't handle the most basic of things. which is -- just fucking rebind the pipes holy hell wtf, sigpipe is an acceptable behaviour now ?! 1785662;1519397446;mircea_popescu;and as to the selection : i just tried ctrl^ and it worked fine. IN NANO. 1785663;1519397455;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1785664;1519397555;mircea_popescu;and as to the final thing : the whole idea of the archive item (which lobbes asked for and i very much doubt he realised at the time what an immense item it is) is to RECONSTRUCT the poorly designed "web" into proper structure. hence the merkle tree discussions and so on. so very much yes, eventually we'll be using a proper republican accessing scheme. 1785665;1519397574;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, what do you think diana_coman should eucrypt also include an elastic hashing algo on top of keccak and serpent ? 1785666;1519397589;mircea_popescu;that's the only item conceivably still needed. 1785667;1519399624;mod6;Mornin' 1785668;1519399648;mod6;TMSR~ : Here's the V 99993 Release email : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000290.html 1785669;1519399828;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun. 1785670;1519399960;mircea_popescu;incidentally mod6 : given teh centrality of teh work he's doing, do you suppose teh foundation could be prevailed upon to give lobbes a grant so he can get himself a shiny dedicated box with pizarro ? could for instance http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-21#1785458 work as teh application ? 1785671;1519399960;a111;Logged on 2018-02-21 18:48 mircea_popescu: normally i'd have alf explain it to you ; but he's busy. so what i want you to do is write a blog article about "how to use merkle trees to avoid duplicate problem in web page archiving", and then i'll comment on it. 1785672;1519399999;trinque;at first I said to myself "what unix ships without /tmp", and then I get to 0x04 and what can I say. "ship completely useless" indeed. 1785673;1519400090;mircea_popescu;also ben_vulpes : the thinking over at s.mg is that we want a dedicated box for teh server plus a vps for holding the website and such things, so we don't have to eat the whole apache overload on the game server. 1785674;1519400123;mircea_popescu;trinque is that sun ? 1785675;1519400168;trinque;ah I have no idea if there actually is one without /tmp, but I get where the guy's mistrust comes from. 1785676;1519400186;mircea_popescu;oh oh, mailing list reference 1785677;1519400197;mircea_popescu;i was "wtf, what unix-thing was ever called 0x04?!?" 1785678;1519400204;trinque;heh yup. 1785679;1519400246;mircea_popescu;but yes, good idea to condomwrap shellouts. 1785680;1519400263;mircea_popescu;i'd take it one step further and : mod6 do you think it might be a good idea to actually include hashes ? 1785681;1519400278;mircea_popescu;print a warning, "your X util exists, but its hash differs from what i ran this on, so please test and report" ? 1785682;1519400299;mircea_popescu;then you could just keep a list of these and people ~would know~ when it is useful to report their runs. 1785683;1519400339;mircea_popescu;and obviously calling it "a list" of hashes is just another playful reference to teh prior discussion. lel. 1785684;1519400385;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the idea is to gut the anthill from inside the ants. 1785685;1519400395;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785670 << This seems like a decent grant to offer. We'll consider. 1785686;1519400395;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 15:32 mircea_popescu: incidentally mod6 : given teh centrality of teh work he's doing, do you suppose teh foundation could be prevailed upon to give lobbes a grant so he can get himself a shiny dedicated box with pizarro ? could for instance http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-21#1785458 work as teh application ? 1785687;1519400561;mod6;mircea_popescu: I see your point re-hashes, might be something to consider in the future. Been avoiding painting myself into a corner with the prototype. 1785688;1519400572;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1785689;1519400574;mod6;I've gotta go snow blow this 8" of snow. Will think on it a bit. 1785690;1519400588;mircea_popescu;something like "shellouts marked for extinction anyway, no point building on them" ? 1785691;1519400606;mod6;Well... I'm worried that if start to try to pin down all of the versions and their hashes, it just adds a bunch of complexity. 1785692;1519400615;mircea_popescu;this is true. 1785693;1519400627;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> something like "shellouts marked for extinction anyway, no point building on them" ? << and this, yes. 1785694;1519400635;mircea_popescu;of course, the converse view (that complexity is alreadyu added the moment you shellout to them) also holds some water. 1785695;1519400700;mod6;I was thinking lsat night about my version of V in Ada, and am using shellouts there for the gpg related things. even with an integrated FFA, still need to add in an integrated Keccac from s.mg - those two I can work around. Others might be harder than it sounds. 1785696;1519400720;mircea_popescu;fwiw, i don't think shellouts PER SE are a bad idea, or the wrong thing, or untenable. much like the notion of building houses WITH DOORS isn't in itself problematic. now, what gets in through those holes, well... 1785697;1519400737;mod6;But, not impossible. I'm not sure, maybe someone else has better ideas how to handle this. 1785698;1519400742;mod6;Ah, ok. 1785699;1519400756;mod6;brb, gotta remove the snow here quick. 1785700;1519400771;mircea_popescu;no rush really/ 1785701;1519401584;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/us-customs-and-border-patrol-allegedly-has-never-been-able-to-check-signatures-on-passport-rfid-data/ << Qntra - US Customs And Border Patrol Allegedly Has Never Been Able To Check Signatures On Passport RFID Data 1785702;1519401594;mircea_popescu;ehehe 1785703;1519401821;BingoBoingo;One benefit of prolongued Republican exposure: Every now and then you come across a coy newsy thing that dances around a fact, when the fact really should have been the headline. 1785704;1519402129;*;asciilifeform ate log; has a 10min slot. 1785705;1519402164;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785695 << i can't think of why it would be wrong to shell-out to ~working~ (sane) util. shellouts only suck if to e.g. kochgpg 1785706;1519402164;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 15:45 mod6: I was thinking lsat night about my version of V in Ada, and am using shellouts there for the gpg related things. even with an integrated FFA, still need to add in an integrated Keccac from s.mg - those two I can work around. Others might be harder than it sounds. 1785707;1519402213;mircea_popescu;quite 1785708;1519402220;asciilifeform;the job of decoding a rsaoid and getting a hash, and the job of hashing a 100GB thing and getting the orig hash to compare to, as part of verifying a sig, are conceptually quite separate. really oughta be separate proggies, per 'unix philosophy' or even any reasonable successor to it 1785709;1519402263;mircea_popescu;the reason they're lib'd together (in say eucrypt) is rather the fact that they require similar standards of care. 1785710;1519402269;asciilifeform;right 1785711;1519402306;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, if unix philosophy were anymore than 15yos notions that "that's it, now i understand women!" they very much would be. 1785712;1519402311;asciilifeform;that part makes sense. but conceptually they're different ops. and could even live inside same binary but invoked variantly to simulate being different ones, a la busybox say. 1785713;1519402337;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: worse, 50 y.o. notion. 1785714;1519402348;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with two separate utilities built on the same lib exposing different edges. "wasteful" but in a veheheheeeery theoretical sense, when compared to 10mb webpages. 1785715;1519402364;asciilifeform;it is difficult to talk about waste, aha, given what is on the box already.. 1785716;1519402392;mircea_popescu;ima waste all the dozens of bytes at a time i feel like, holy hell "install disc". TO INSTALL AN X THAT CRASHES ALL CLIENTS. 1785717;1519402454;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know what they say, a tendency to bury the lede in journalism is not unlike a tendency to spread legs in a convent : sure signs one does not actually belong there. 1785718;1519402472;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785703 << some discoveries re the idiocy of the enemy are so astonishingly, riotously vexing of the very imagination, that they are difficult to believe. like the time that an ex-nsa-grunt stuck sharing an oar with asciilifeform on a slavegalley, insisted that usg until late obummer reign did not have a canonical Official implementation of rsa, and that when such was finally ratified , it was from a 1785719;1519402472;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 16:03 BingoBoingo: One benefit of prolongued Republican exposure: Every now and then you come across a coy newsy thing that dances around a fact, when the fact really should have been the headline. 1785720;1519402472;asciilifeform; proggy written by an intern 1785721;1519402525;mircea_popescu;in other sad news, i need a new fridge ;/ 1785722;1519402550;asciilifeform;nobody swaps compressors in mircea_popescustan ? 1785723;1519402567;mircea_popescu;it's this huge, taller-than-person, double-door purely usian abomination unknown in these lands. i just opened it and the act apparently upsed the clever packing scheme used because i ended up covered in items. 1785724;1519402584;mircea_popescu;i'm seriously considering getting an actual freeze room next place. like a fucking restaurant ;/ 1785725;1519402604;asciilifeform;at one time asciilifeform worked in a lab with a freeze room, it was great. 1785726;1519402619;asciilifeform;( had desk in it, and all ) 1785727;1519402662;*;asciilifeform resets clock. bbl. 1785728;1519402669;mircea_popescu;yeah, get a rack with meathooks in there too, will double as punishment room jus' fine 1785729;1519403114;mircea_popescu;anyway, at the risk of boring the more advanced minds, let us take this opportunity to harp on the perfection that is the v model. 1785730;1519403190;mircea_popescu;so suppose today minigame calls eucrypt complete, and proceeds to build upon it. suppose later, for whatever reason, something useful is added to the tree (say the elastic hash item -- as it happens there can be decent arguments had both pro and against including what's really not that cryptographic an useful item). 1785731;1519403222;mircea_popescu;for as long as this tree is built upon, the VERY FACT that it is built upon guarantees minigame that it will ALWAYS be able to build its prerequisites. because in being older they come earlier in the press, so you just stop sooner. 1785732;1519403319;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, if this tree is orphaned for whatever reason (such as someone regrinding some chunk that includes portions downstream from minigame's press point), the prevailing of that regrind is ~actually~ based on proper social behaviours. it must have been supported by minigame too, to have prevailed ; or else minigame's agency must have been indeed so insignificant as to warrant some serious self-examination there. 1785733;1519403348;mircea_popescu;very much no more of this backroom http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778804 1785734;1519403348;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 14:34 mp_en_viaje: so no, protected mode hasn;'t become because it offered. the pantsuit decided it must be, and therefore prevented the non-mongoloid child from offering. 1785735;1519403634;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/chicoms-take-their-anbang/ << Qntra - Chicoms Take Their Anbang 1785736;1519403719;BingoBoingo;^ In other http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#selection-193.97-193.392 1785737;1519403993;mircea_popescu;heh 1785738;1519404218;BingoBoingo;Anyways it seems like Qntra returned just in time to shit to start happening again. Just now the stakes and pantsuit stanks are higher. 1785739;1519404444;mircea_popescu;cool beans huh 1785740;1519404662;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Who could have know so abjectly little would happen between Summer 2017 and the first half of February 2018 1785741;1519404693;mircea_popescu;who indeed. 1785742;1519404899;*;BingoBoingo baking post for other blawg nao 1785743;1519406917;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785705 << this seems to be a fair point, where one has a "sane" thing to begin with. 1785744;1519406917;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 16:09 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785695 << i can't think of why it would be wrong to shell-out to ~working~ (sane) util. shellouts only suck if to e.g. kochgpg 1785745;1519407022;*;mod6 is drinking a bottle of water after snow-removal. am quite stunned it doesn't say "Gluten Free" on the bottle. 1785746;1519409237;mircea_popescu;maybe it's chock-fulla gluten. 1785747;1519409827;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-30#400024 linkable perhaps 1785748;1519409827;a111;Logged on 2013-11-30 21:30 mircea_popescu: ;;rate ukto -1 Messy Bitfunder closedown 1785749;1519411988;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty linked on the WOT:nonperson text 1785750;1519422405;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785664 << can confirm I did not realise immensity at first, but am up for educating myself so that I can realise. 1785751;1519422405;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 14:52 mircea_popescu: and as to the final thing : the whole idea of the archive item (which lobbes asked for and i very much doubt he realised at the time what an immense item it is) is to RECONSTRUCT the poorly designed "web" into proper structure. hence the merkle tree discussions and so on. so very much yes, eventually we'll be using a proper republican accessing scheme. 1785752;1519422409;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-21#1785459 << incidentally, this doc has been very useful thus far in illuminating my own naivete. Spent the last coupla days just learning ultra-basics of, e.g. hash preimage, second preimage, and collision resistance. Hell, I even had to look up simple big O notation. I am, however, learning it, at least. "One day at a time" 1785753;1519422409;a111;Logged on 2018-02-21 18:58 shinohai: https://www.emsec.rub.de/media/crypto/attachments/files/2011/04/becker_1.pdf <<< Paper on subject of merkle trees I found handy lobbes, for your perusal 1785754;1519422426;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785685 << I am honored to be considered for such a grant. Will continue work to eventually demonstrate grant-worthiness in form of blog post / application. 1785755;1519422426;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 15:39 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785670 << This seems like a decent grant to offer. We'll consider. 1785756;1519422447;*;lobbes bbl, meat 1785757;1519438624;mod6;!!up orgndnor 1785758;1519438624;deedbot;orgndnor voiced for 30 minutes. 1785759;1519438771;orgndnor;well, i've read a lot of material. most of the available logs, monsiuer p's blogs... 1785760;1519438831;orgndnor;i guess lock down til the fuedalists return 1785761;1519438850;orgndnor;hows the digital beanie babies, bros? 1785762;1519438951;orgndnor;you got a weak jawline herr popescu 1785763;1519439572;trinque;check out the walmart discount persona on this guy 1785764;1519439576;trinque;!!down orgndnor 1785765;1519439580;mod6;haha. 1785766;1519441055;shinohai;>.> 1785767;1519441160;mircea_popescu;what's a weak jewline ? 1785768;1519441163;mircea_popescu;!!up orgndnor 1785769;1519441163;deedbot;orgndnor voiced for 30 minutes. 1785770;1519441220;mircea_popescu;dun tell me it's what squarejaws call normal people. 1785771;1519441492;orgndnor;well, in fact of matter, genetic appropriation might have relevance to intellectual heritage 1785772;1519441523;mircea_popescu;what's that mean ? 1785773;1519441569;orgndnor;your ideas are shitty and obsolete 1785774;1519441586;mircea_popescu;in general or got anything specific ? 1785775;1519441616;orgndnor;i mean, you are pedigreed, wealthy, educated, opinionated and idealistic 1785776;1519441655;orgndnor;respect and all that shit, i assume that involves discipline. 1785777;1519441681;mircea_popescu;you're not making much sense, you know. pick some priors and build a thread. 1785778;1519441723;orgndnor;whats the goal man? 1785779;1519441735;mircea_popescu;!#s causes and purposes 1785780;1519441736;a111;26 results for "causes and purposes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=causes%20and%20purposes 1785781;1519441776;orgndnor;yeah. that's exactly why i am here, again. 1785782;1519441799;orgndnor;trilema will never die? 1785783;1519441822;mircea_popescu;i dunno. 1785784;1519441827;orgndnor;what kind of legacy is this? 1785785;1519441828;mircea_popescu;i don't specifically care, either. 1785786;1519441850;orgndnor;i get it if singularity is wsup. maybe you got inside tech knowledge. 1785787;1519441863;mircea_popescu;what's a singularity and what's a wsup ? 1785788;1519441892;orgndnor;you know goddamn well what te intention is with the wsup vernacular 1785789;1519441900;mircea_popescu;try and understand that taking refuge in a string of nouns after having pointed out to you that most people will just discard out of hand strings of epithets as pure painstuitola isn't the best of strategies. 1785790;1519441909;orgndnor;peasant here; walmart discount, yeah 1785791;1519441922;mircea_popescu;mkay. 1785792;1519441936;orgndnor;you're out of touchm sir 1785793;1519441952;orgndnor;out of touch. you have something "interesting 1785794;1519441974;orgndnor;but it'll be wiped into dust soon enough as this all will. 1785795;1519442037;orgndnor;you a native romanian? 1785796;1519442095;orgndnor;dpb told me trilema is anti-usgov. 1785797;1519442106;orgndnor;"disruption of communication" 1785798;1519442226;trinque;!!up BigTexasBingo 1785799;1519442227;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. 1785800;1519442245;trinque;hola senor boingo 1785801;1519442255;BigTexasBingo;I can't be aresed to get out of bed for doganonor 1785802;1519442312;orgndnor;the way of the future isn't through bitcoin, sirs; blockchain, maybe, but crypto? pipe dream! 1785803;1519442312;BigTexasBingo;And I need an answer on what is wsup, and how does it connect to hair theory. 1785804;1519442349;orgndnor;wsup = hood english transliterates to: "what is up" hence defining a query as to the current subject relevant 1785805;1519442393;trinque;and he thought "this is it; I'll tell them how it really be, and they'll dig" 1785806;1519442396;orgndnor;seeing as how this is the "serene" republic? most? 1785807;1519442418;orgndnor;lo; well. 1785808;1519442436;orgndnor;it don't be like it is but it do 1785809;1519442446;mod6;herpa derpa 1785810;1519442454;mircea_popescu;trinque the fundamental problem is that it's really unfair you'd listen to one but not another. how could this be! ALL THINGS ARE THE SAME THING etc 1785811;1519442458;trinque;poor thing thinks I'm ingroup signaling with it 1785812;1519442464;BigTexasBingo;Orangeponer: te falta 1785813;1519442500;orgndnor;yeah i guess so 1785814;1519442529;mircea_popescu;just that you can't possibly not be., 1785815;1519442566;mircea_popescu;the delusion of access is aftert all the fundamental cornerstone of pantsuitism. hence all the inept wank a la lucy, and hence the butthurt gal on day of failure comment section 1785816;1519442576;orgndnor;well, fellows, you are just that much superior; no way i can engage. 1785817;1519442622;BigTexasBingo;Orangeponer: Por favor poner una boligrapho en tu ano y sacar una foto 1785818;1519442629;mircea_popescu;orgndnor did your mommy tell you sarcasm is what cucks do while in the cock cage ? 1785819;1519442675;orgndnor;yes. 1785820;1519442693;mircea_popescu;she had a point. 1785821;1519442695;orgndnor;may the mother forever burn for such transgression. 1785822;1519442739;orgndnor;so. do you guys ever smile? 1785823;1519442763;BigTexasBingo;All the time 1785824;1519442779;orgndnor;excellent excellent 1785825;1519442853;BigTexasBingo;Y vos? Nunca hacer sonrisas con la chicas? 1785826;1519442861;orgndnor;im gay; sir. 1785827;1519442867;orgndnor;as in, homosexual. 1785828;1519442893;mircea_popescu;the funny part isn't that he assumes we're heterosexuals ; but he assumes we know he's male. 1785829;1519442896;BigTexasBingo;And what about your fag hags? Or are you not a cool gay. 1785830;1519442906;orgndnor;uncool gay. 1785831;1519442924;mircea_popescu;is that how incels digest their incelcity these days ? 1785832;1519442928;orgndnor;i like to reside privately and peruse the worlds data to form my own assumptions. 1785833;1519442940;orgndnor;?? incels 1785834;1519442940;*;mircea_popescu keeps fingers crosed in hope he used neologism correctly. 1785835;1519442955;orgndnor;i don't use facebook or twatter, sir 1785836;1519442960;BigTexasBingo;Then how do you get off Orangeponer 1785837;1519442979;mircea_popescu;i thought this was an 8chan meme 1785838;1519443082;BigTexasBingo;mircea_popescu used correctly. Me voy a dormir nuevamente. Not often a person can catch a live painsuit in the logs these days. 1785839;1519443094;mircea_popescu;sleep tight. 1785840;1519443102;mircea_popescu;and, in your case, dun let the bedbugs byte, 1785841;1519447902;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785630 << so offending attribute is _Noreturn, which is a c11 feature that was only introduced in 4.7. but! i tested with 4.6.4 on freebsd before release, i now also compiled 4.4.3 and it still works. running cpp-4.4 on the file it looks like something in freebsd headers actually replaces _Noreturn with an __attribute__ call that older gcc's support. with a test file with `void _Noreturn foo() {...}' but without any includes, 1785842;1519447902;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 01:20 hanbot: in today's lols, i go to make the new vdiff, i get http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WoPts/?raw=true 1785843;1519447931;phf; and both 4.6 and 4.4 refuse to compile it. a temporary workaround is to compile with `make vdiff -D_Noreturn=' 1785844;1519448055;phf;also make vdiff `-D_Noreturn=__attribute__\\\((noreturn\\\))' is even better work around, but the combination of shell/makefile seems to pass the parenthesis through on bash but not on zsh... 1785845;1519448193;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785651 << that works for me also, i seem to recall threads where alphabets were discussed and maybe byte order was dismissed, but my memory is vague on subject 1785846;1519448193;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 04:41 mircea_popescu: specifically in our case, dot (2e) comes after dash (2d) ? 1785847;1519449055;phf;hanbot: and another option is to use this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UpI9J/?raw=true vpatch, unsigned because i'd like to wait till wednesday to roll all the fixes and cuts together 1785848;1519485204;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i've been quite enjoying your last articles btw. 1785849;1519485212;mircea_popescu;hard sheep makes a life worth living, eh ? 1785850;1519485215;mircea_popescu;!!rated BingoBoingo 1785851;1519485215;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated BingoBoingo 4 at 2016/05/17 03:20:10 << his lordship the lord goebbels. 1785852;1519485238;mircea_popescu;!!rate BingoBoingo 4 the gringo wildcatter 1785853;1519485241;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ITPC6/?raw=true 1785854;1519485344;mircea_popescu;(for the innocent : a wildcatter is say philiph's character in clemens' "the gilded age", or more generally any guy who sees a mine where no one else does.) 1785855;1519485402;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785845 << well, i'm trying to reopen them 1785856;1519485402;a111;Logged on 2018-02-24 04:56 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785651 << that works for me also, i seem to recall threads where alphabets were discussed and maybe byte order was dismissed, but my memory is vague on subject 1785857;1519485505;mircea_popescu;truth -- the latins were idiots ; nevermind they didn't even have zero in their lol of a numeration system -- they didn't even have commas. or, for that matter, dots. meta-alphabetic notation (such as the dash here that permited me to ~signify~ something about symbol relation) is entirely a post-industrial invention. fuck, the bright minds of alchemy-era mathematics didn't even have =. 1785858;1519485534;mircea_popescu;so the problem of how to alphabetically sort meta-alphabetic signs is not liable to be informed by ancient practice. 1785859;1519485709;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785844 << reworking the code so it doesn't rely on the complex macroconstructs not an option ? 1785860;1519485709;a111;Logged on 2018-02-24 04:54 phf: also make vdiff `-D_Noreturn=__attribute__\\\((noreturn\\\))' is even better work around, but the combination of shell/makefile seems to pass the parenthesis through on bash but not on zsh... 1785861;1519485756;mircea_popescu;a there we go, extern void xalloc_die(void) __attribute__((noreturn)); 1785862;1519485760;mircea_popescu;seems rather the right approach neh ? 1785863;1519485788;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did i miss a picture post somehow ? 1785864;1519485916;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in unadorned physiology, http://78.media.tumblr.com/87f9274d8a7a376ff37b280ca6e95866/tumblr_nfeogeksF51ri9me7o1_400.gif 1785865;1519485994;shinohai;gm mircea_popescu ! 1785866;1519485998;mircea_popescu;heya 1785867;1519486406;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in old trilemas, http://trilema.com/2014/the-disadvantages-of-living-among-idiots/ 1785868;1519486419;mircea_popescu;i really should link that bit about teh bureaucrats more often. 1785869;1519486592;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo i've been quite enjoying your last articles btw. << Thank you. 1785870;1519486737;BingoBoingo; hard sheep makes a life worth living, eh ? << It really does. Who knew getting fired could be such a great thing when the right person does the firing. 1785871;1519486813;mircea_popescu;speaking of fire, http://trilema.com/2013/the-broad-and-the-million-fireants-a-parable/ !!! 1785872;1519486819;mircea_popescu;i've been on a blogreading kick of late. 1785873;1519487074;BingoBoingo;I have as well, in addition to the blog writing. Events have been very 2013 part II entonces feel I ought read more 2013 and 2014 1785874;1519487464;mircea_popescu;i can see it. 1785875;1519488969;BingoBoingo;AHA http://trilema.com/2014/the-disadvantages-of-living-among-idiots/#footnote_2_52366 and http://trilema.com/2018/mp-at-arenal-2003-2018-caution-steps-in-de-crease/#selection-247.0-247.786 1785876;1519489156;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu . hands were full. but now have a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/triage_clocks_1.jpg and a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/triage_clocks_2.jpg . 1785877;1519489265;asciilifeform;i'ma write an actual essay about time, when i figure out an actual rhythm worth writing of. currently all i have is a 'triage', to actually track what eats resource, and cut off deprioritized ( mainly , real-time interactions... ) items when running short. 1785878;1519489331;mircea_popescu;candid means you're in there an' n ot posing for it! 1785879;1519489339;asciilifeform;i ain't posing. 1785880;1519489359;mircea_popescu;well yes, but you're also not visible! 1785881;1519489529;asciilifeform;exceedingly difficult to fit both a little clock face and my face in 1 frame. ( doesn't mircea_popescu already have a picture of my mug , lol ) 1785882;1519489579;mircea_popescu;this isn't about to repeat pattern is it ? 1785883;1519489617;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Girl has hands and aesthetic judgment? 1785884;1519489735;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: girl, since you mentioned, said, approx, 'this is dumb, and tell'em to piss off'. 1785885;1519489795;mircea_popescu;unsupportive, eh. well, so sit it somewhere and turn on the timer, what can i tell ya. 1785886;1519489825;asciilifeform;hmm lessee... 1785887;1519489830;*;asciilifeform digs for a tripod 1785888;1519490519;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dour_mug_shot.jpg 1785889;1519490539;asciilifeform;where's my tit fee!111 1785890;1519490581;*;mircea_popescu shall deem this satisfactory. 1785891;1519490614;mircea_popescu;and yes, re rythm : time discipline is not a torture device, it's a tool. it's supposed to help you achieve your goals not make life inconvenient. 1785892;1519490640;asciilifeform;i must admit, i've been enjoying saying to various folx : 'sorry, out of time, laters' 1785893;1519490661;mircea_popescu;aha. 1785894;1519490718;*;mircea_popescu isn't just saying things, to fit in with the crowd or the fashions of his generation or whatever. literally, "help you achieve your goals". 1785895;1519490768;BingoBoingo;I've learned local moo cows get a bit more responsive the next time, after walking away from them because you have an appointment to make. Actual appointment not necessary. 1785896;1519490867;asciilifeform;phf: your proggy built without eggog here, but then i saw and yes gcc 4.9 1785897;1519490978;mircea_popescu;local receptionist girly (that's the supreme social achievement for the hairdresser class chickie here, being a doc's receptionist is almost as good as being marriewd to him) at the cima hospital (best in the country!!!) was utterly shocked when my response to her telling me the doctor who was like 10 mins late just called to say he's "on his way" but no specific eta wasn't "ok, ok" but "thast's unfortunate, i have other appo 1785898;1519490978;mircea_popescu;intments". 1785899;1519490986;mircea_popescu;i dunno if it did anything fgor them though, i've not been back 1785900;1519491710;BingoBoingo;I'm still learning and this is a very rural city. 1785901;1519491768;mircea_popescu;kinda how i recall it eyah 1785902;1519492386;BingoBoingo;They area I'm in Pocitos/Buceo barrios were resort towns until the city swallowed them. Most of the other Barrios came into the city similarly as encampments and villages that the city just kind of grew into. Reading into the history here it was a sparsely populated country of men until the 1880's. Then the Italians came. 1785903;1519492431;BingoBoingo;And 50,000 people turns into 1,000,000 plus and "Where my country gone" 1785904;1519492530;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/theft-today-djibouti-breaks-contract-seizes-private-port/ << Qntra - Theft Today: Djibouti Breaks Contract Seizes Private Port 1785905;1519492545;mircea_popescu;heh 1785906;1519492589;mircea_popescu;apparently "private port" w/o private army worth about as much as community college degree. 1785907;1519492734;BingoBoingo;1800's South America has some truly lulzy history. Buenos Aires and Brasilero Empire agree to make Uruguay as a buffer state. Proceed to beat up on Uruguay for a decade. Buenos Aires, Brasilero empire, and Uruguay make peace by going up river and beating Paraguay into pretribal Apocalypse. 1785908;1519492750;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, that free chikkken! 1785909;1519493254;BingoBoingo;In other history, whatever happened to MNW http://btcbase.org/log/2013-01-17#-161102 1785910;1519493254;a111;Logged on 2013-01-17 00:26 mircea_popescu: "I've survived entirely on bitcoin for a whole year. " 1785911;1519493271;mircea_popescu;~nothing. 1785912;1519493709;BingoBoingo;Seems to be the case with a lotta 2013 names 1785913;1519494644;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785862 << that's the idea, but __attribute__ is a gcc specific feature. i'd like to have a catalog of such extension because i noticed there's few more here and there 1785914;1519494644;a111;Logged on 2018-02-24 15:22 mircea_popescu: seems rather the right approach neh ? 1785915;1519494995;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/?p=9 << PizzaroISP - Gear for hire, March 2018 1785916;1519495188;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785673 << makes sense, i just published the gear Pizarro has for hire immediately. i can either lease you that box *or* a vps on it :\ immediately, but i'll also be running more boxes down in the near future 1785917;1519495188;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 15:34 mircea_popescu: also ben_vulpes : the thinking over at s.mg is that we want a dedicated box for teh server plus a vps for holding the website and such things, so we don't have to eat the whole apache overload on the game server. 1785918;1519496767;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so did you disable the me engine ? or "could be but hasn't been" ? 1785919;1519496779;mircea_popescu;also, wasn't specifically a proposal ; was just an example, to get that ball rolling already. 1785920;1519496808;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1785921;1519496818;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9712.88, vol: 13363.78940680 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9701.0, vol: 54104.34019513 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9729.6, vol: 9242.84054869 | Volume-weighted last average: 9706.5156004 1785922;1519496836;mircea_popescu;!~calc 9706 * (0.014 + 0.048) 1785923;1519496838;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 9706 * (0.014 + 0.048) = 601.772 1785924;1519496899;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: talking about the mb/cpu combo in the abstract, imma nuke it on this machine for certainsure; will update post 1785925;1519496905;mircea_popescu;maybe a little on teh expensive side, but, let's not be splitting hairs. 1785926;1519496919;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes consider it sold ; where do i pay ? send diana teh login details. 1785927;1519496967;ben_vulpes;you wanna pay for a year of hardware up front and invoices for rack space as they come due? 1785928;1519496989;mircea_popescu;do i still have to pay 2x the cost if i pay for the year upfront ? 1785929;1519497025;mircea_popescu;ie, i'm willing to either buy the machine or rent it ; but pick one. 1785930;1519497111;ben_vulpes;"buy" in the sense of the amortization thread with davout from http://btcbase.org/log/?date=01-07-2013#113889 ? 1785931;1519497123;ben_vulpes;eg yours for the year but not purchasing the machine? 1785932;1519497176;mircea_popescu;mno. if you rent it out for 2x what it costs to buy it over a year, then if i pay for the whole year i'm basically spending the same money as if buying the machine, but not actually buying it. this is a bum deal. i'm willing to rent it (ie, monthly) or buy it (ie, own it), but i'm not willing to eat the downside of both approaches. 1785933;1519497559;ben_vulpes;i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year? 1785934;1519497714;mircea_popescu;so what's the deal here : i pay for a year, at the price of 0.048xxx * 12 / 2 * 1.2 ; at the end of the year i don't own the machine ; but if it breaks down during the year you replace it free of charge to me ? 1785935;1519497908;BingoBoingo;AHA, the wonderful world of retail "rent to own contracts" has opened up. ben_vulpes how long do you plan to keep boxes on the balance sheet? 1785936;1519497914;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: one year 1785937;1519498148;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 0.2881443 * 1.2 = .34577317 , and yes you'll have a spare 1785938;1519498211;ben_vulpes;although perhaps i gotta sell it to you as i won't have a spare to fulfill that promise until the next run. 1785939;1519498287;mircea_popescu;check you out, making money selling hardware insurance. easy $$$ when you know what you're doing. 1785940;1519498303;mircea_popescu;aite, where do i send it ? 1785941;1519498429;ben_vulpes;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.345773172 one year of http://pizarroisp.net/?p=9 1785942;1519498433;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZBIMe/?raw=true 1785943;1519498441;mircea_popescu;well also a month of rack 1785944;1519498465;mircea_popescu;o wait, another point : i want 2 fgs into this thing. you dun have fgs do you ? 1785945;1519498469;ben_vulpes;how about we wait until it's online, i'll take your handshake until then 1785946;1519498474;mircea_popescu;sure. 1785947;1519498503;ben_vulpes;all the fg sitting here are spoken for; did mod6 ever get a quote for the ten or so i wanted? 1785948;1519498521;mircea_popescu;not yet. asciilifeform we gotta get a quote to these folk, what do you figure ? 1785949;1519498618;ben_vulpes;aight, get me a quote. gonna head out for a run 1785950;1519498626;mircea_popescu;word. 1785951;1519498903;BingoBoingo;Is there a cannonical link for this classic somewhere in the archives rather than the toilet? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0;imode 1785952;1519498976;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: our last price was 0.0395 ; 1785953;1519498986;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1785954;1519498993;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9605.91, vol: 13517.40635927 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9569.9, vol: 54815.60952992 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9595.5, vol: 9426.69958907 | Volume-weighted last average: 9579.2632713 1785955;1519498996;mircea_popescu;ya but i mean... 1785956;1519499003;mircea_popescu;how many do we have left ? 1785957;1519499010;asciilifeform;!~calc 9606 * 0.0395 1785958;1519499011;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 9606 * 0.0395 = 379.437 1785959;1519499039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: current stock here is 43 units. 1785960;1519499130;*;asciilifeform unfortunately has to run, to meatspace; will be back later tonight. 1785961;1519499136;mircea_popescu;aite. 1785962;1519499677;mod6;I'd also like to buy five for personal use. 1785963;1519499704;mod6;(Not to be confused with the 10 that Pizarro needs a quote for) 1785964;1519500212;mod6;!~calc 0.0395 * 5 1785965;1519500213;jhvh1;mod6: 0.0395 * 5 = 0.1975 1785966;1519500271;mod6;Can pay mircea_popescu or alf directly, and send shipping info to alf if this is satisfactory. Just let me know what works. 1785967;1519500289;mircea_popescu;mod6 give it a little, we'll come up with soemthing tonight/tomorrow 1785968;1519500305;mod6;No rush, just wanted to put it out there. :] Thanks! 1785969;1519504488;lobbes;BingoBoingo: no guarantees on canonical, but there exists some archives of it (mind the dupes): http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D124441&sortby= 1785970;1519504518;BingoBoingo;ty lobbes 1785971;1519505363;ben_vulpes;holy shit phf the trackball you mentioned in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 arrived today and the action on this thing is downright sexual 1785972;1519505363;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless) 1785973;1519505428;*;ben_vulpes is pleased 1785974;1519505458;ben_vulpes;mouse traversal territory can now be properly and full time reserved for the engineering/tallypad 1785975;1519507223;hanbot; hanbot: and another option is to use this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UpI9J/?raw=true vpatch, unsigned because i'd like to wait till wednesday to roll all the fixes and cuts together << produced executable, tyvm. 1785976;1519507848;mircea_popescu;in other news, michael cera is like the representative of the 2010s ny hipster doofus 1785977;1519507852;mircea_popescu;a sort of dj quals without the cool 1785978;1519507885;mircea_popescu;i never knew dj quals was cool ; fucking sideshow of a sideshow (tom green) in a dubious mainstream teensploitation (road trip) 1785979;1519507898;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER, ulterior decay exposes that yes, he was relatively cool. 1785980;1519508367;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785665 <- hmmm, I can see the utility of this and I can see it as something built on top of eucrypt but I'm not totally sure I see a very strong case for including it in eucrypt as such 1785981;1519508367;a111;Logged on 2018-02-23 14:52 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, what do you think diana_coman should eucrypt also include an elastic hashing algo on top of keccak and serpent ? 1785982;1519508379;mircea_popescu;aite. 1785983;1519508406;mircea_popescu;it's going to get built tho, he'll need a binary tree model, a merkle tree-izer, and an elastic hash-er for sure. 1785984;1519508414;mircea_popescu;but maybe healthier if it's a diff lib. 1785985;1519516630;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/24/conscious-contact-and-other-things/ << Bingo Blog - Conscious Contact And Other Things 1785986;1519523213;hanbot;phf : patched fix for vdiff produced a genesis for me but complains about 'no newline at end of file' for some 67 files. not clear to me whether i oughta be concerned/what gives. 1785987;1519523357;hanbot;meanwhile, my dad's back on the job market after a ~10 year break, keeps sending scariest want ads he finds. week's winner is "CPA (Confined Space Attendant) - Hole Watch" 1785988;1519523386;mircea_popescu;prison culture, neh. ~only thing still going in teh inmatelands. 1785989;1519567172;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/chicoms-set-to-lift-presidential-term-limits-attempt-to-putinize-xi-jinping/ << Qntra - Chicoms Set To Lift Presidential Term Limits, Attempt To Putinize Xi Jinping 1785990;1519571218;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AfQ3A/?raw=true 1785991;1519571263;mircea_popescu;putinize lol. what a great word. 1785992;1519571752;mircea_popescu;and in other news, diana utterly owns "ossasepia" in teh google. wd eh, 1785993;1519572541;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sounds quite good to me; let's do it 1785994;1519572649;asciilifeform;and i was thinking nearly same thing re the price. 1785995;1519572713;*;asciilifeform is on a remote console where he doesn't see PMs; but will check back later today. 1785996;1519576643;mircea_popescu;np. 1785997;1519576703;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how about you lot take three dozen FGs at .45 ? (cash ; or at your option .5 BTC worth of convertible bonds for s.nsa). 1785998;1519577402;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "what DID you think she's doing at the gym ?!" http://78.media.tumblr.com/0868d6d5a02c8a39726ecef651b77f7c/tumblr_nebhvbxEBw1td2k0ko1_400.gif 1785999;1519579112;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/SrWNi/?raw=true 1786000;1519579112;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1786001;1519580365;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/apple-hands-over-more-keys/ << Qntra - Apple Hands Over More Keys 1786002;1519580411;BingoBoingo;shinohai ty, edited "Ya Socialismo" to "Oriental socialism", different meat substrates and gotta keep the Chicoms burning time on Engrish lessons. 1786003;1519580465;shinohai;aha ty 1786004;1519580673;BingoBoingo;"Ya Socialismo" is what stoner latinos aspring to Jay and Silent Bob want. Oriental Socialism is more or less an anthill. 1786005;1519581005;mircea_popescu;is this "socialismo ya!" ? 1786006;1519581562;BingoBoingo;Here they flip the words. Apparently the Uruguayos suck at grammar 1786007;1519581694;BingoBoingo;Or so the other immigrants tell me 1786008;1519582288;BingoBoingo;I am just the fellow who reads the graffiti 1786009;1519583183;BingoBoingo;Thinking about it I recall seeing it both ways 1786010;1519583398;mircea_popescu;and in high-performance juicers, http://78.media.tumblr.com/95d64ab6d1f0d19817e62e92f9928e66/tumblr_ms4dcfttag1rn5k5ro1_500.gif 1786011;1519585459;mod6;Another day, another 7" of snow. 1786012;1519586481;mircea_popescu;heh 1786013;1519586501;*;mircea_popescu does not envy his northern friends. 1786014;1519586747;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785986 << i thought that it was just a helpful warning, but upon reflection i realized that this is actually a bug. investigating it further i took a wrong direction on a diff's command line flag switch, and as it stands if you see this warning it 1786015;1519586747;a111;Logged on 2018-02-25 01:46 hanbot: phf : patched fix for vdiff produced a genesis for me but complains about 'no newline at end of file' for some 67 files. not clear to me whether i oughta be concerned/what gives. 1786016;1519586774;phf;means that vdiff is producing invalid vpatches 1786017;1519586783;mircea_popescu;o.O 1786018;1519587150;phf;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/juBz2/?raw=true illustrates the issue 1786019;1519587222;mircea_popescu;o wow. 1786020;1519587241;mircea_popescu;nice find then. 1786021;1519587322;*;mod6 looks 1786022;1519587363;phf;i have a btcbase based test harnes, but it of course also didn't catch the issue, because it doesn't know about `\ No newline ...' in band thing either. it treats that line as a textual prelude to the next hunk which is a valid patch format 1786023;1519587603;phf;in any case i'll produce a fix by wednesday, but not before. this requires careful work 1786024;1519587617;mircea_popescu;aite. 1786025;1519587862;phf;mod6: an important thing to add to v might be a check ~after~ the press, which ensures that final states of files have shasums that the vpatch chain claims they should 1786026;1519587926;phf;i think right now the way things are implemented (that goes for btcbase anyway) you can have a chain, that links correctly, but actually doesn't press to anything at all like what the hashes claim 1786027;1519588064;mircea_popescu;tsk 1786028;1519588342;phf;and in vaguely related, while writing a chain verifier for btcbase, i found that we have utf-8 in genesis http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis#L23962 1786029;1519588358;mod6;what my vtron does is this: as it iterates through the list of patches to be pressed, after each vpatch pressed, it checks that the output file sha matches the expected. 1786030;1519588454;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1786031;1519588470;mod6;Here's a snippit of that code: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6lZc7/?raw=true 1786032;1519588494;mod6;gah, UTF8!? 1786033;1519588524;mircea_popescu;23962 /*Boost has a year 2038 problem— if the request sleep time is past epoch+2^31 seconds the sleep returns instantly. 1786034;1519588532;mircea_popescu;dash. 1786035;1519588554;mircea_popescu;who put that abomination in there and why! 1786036;1519588678;mod6;for crying out loud 1786037;1519588692;mod6;I can confirm. 1786038;1519588704;mircea_popescu;whose process even produces microsoft publishing dashes 1786039;1519589361;phf;mod6: right, that's the right thing to do; for a longest time i was still pressing with the original v.py, but i suspect most people (except maybe ascii) use v.pl at this point 1786040;1519589562;phf;i still have muscle memory for dashes, quotes and a few math symbols on mac en layout. (i would even differentiate between russian << .. >> and en `` .. ''). this stuff seemed like the future in the early 2000s.. 1786041;1519589658;mircea_popescu;the guillemets are actually french not russian eh! 1786042;1519589811;phf;easiest way to get a rise out of my iranian colleagues is to suggest that samovar and olivier salad were not "invented" by iranians 1786043;1519589817;mircea_popescu;hehe 1786044;1519589846;mircea_popescu;so is it your comment typed out on a mac, is the idea ? 1786045;1519589912;phf;right, that it could've been typed out by hand 1786046;1519589927;mircea_popescu;well could've. was it or wasn't it ? 1786047;1519589946;phf;you're assuming that i'm trying to say something useful! 1786048;1519589957;mircea_popescu;lol k. 1786049;1519590293;mod6;Looks like this UTF-8 problem with the dashes goes all the way back - and looks like we've all signed it with that in there: 1786050;1519590296;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/js0nN/?raw=true 1786051;1519590332;mod6;I pulled the original posts from the ML, and then started looking for "e2 80 94" which I ~think~ is the bad char. 1786052;1519590334;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1786053;1519590391;mircea_popescu;chiefly because we didn't actually understand at the time what we were doing. 1786054;1519590418;mod6;Yeah, but furthermore, I don't think the "no UTF8" rule had been established at that point. 1786055;1519590427;mod6;I'd have to dig for that to prove tho. 1786056;1519590453;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure it was not. 1786057;1519590476;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing the only way out of this predicament is to have an actual regrind, into a new genesis, of all the patches we actually want. 1786058;1519590521;mod6;^ indeed. 1786059;1519590595;mod6;And rather than do a fast job to complete this ; I think the right approach is to comb through the entire thing and ensure that no UTF-8 is hiding. 1786060;1519590611;mircea_popescu;well... think it through for sure. 1786061;1519590617;mod6;*nod* 1786062;1519590916;mod6;I'm on it, The Foundation is going to close out the month with the SoBA. This work will be high priority post month-end. 1786063;1519591013;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786059 << that's the only place 1786064;1519591013;a111;Logged on 2018-02-25 20:29 mod6: And rather than do a fast job to complete this ; I think the right approach is to comb through the entire thing and ensure that no UTF-8 is hiding. 1786065;1519591060;mod6;Thanks phf, I think I'm gonna conjure something up over here too just to see. 1786066;1519591070;phf;yeah, of course 1786067;1519591070;mod6;(doesn't hurt if others do this as well!) 1786068;1519591564;BingoBoingo; easiest way to get a rise out of my iranian colleagues is to suggest that samovar and olivier salad were not "invented" by iranians << I enjoy telling the Argentines their mate has too many sticks and twigs 1786069;1519593266;ben_vulpes;!!up drunk_foxx_ 1786070;1519593267;deedbot;drunk_foxx_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1786071;1519593899;drunk_foxx_;What does it mean to be voiced? :thinking: 1786072;1519593958;ben_vulpes;drunk_foxx_: that you can talk; dig 1786073;1519593960;ben_vulpes;!!down drunk_foxx_ 1786074;1519593970;ben_vulpes;see, now nothing 1786075;1519593975;ben_vulpes;!!up drunk_foxx_ 1786076;1519593976;deedbot;drunk_foxx_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1786077;1519593998;ben_vulpes;anyways, who is your daddy and what does he do 1786078;1519595273;ben_vulpes;trinque: possible to get deedbot.org's list of deeds to link to my fingerprint instead of the signing key fingerprint? 1786079;1519595310;*;ben_vulpes foolishly https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/ once upon a time 1786080;1519595342;trinque;eh 1786081;1519595354;ben_vulpes;it is of the lowest priority 1786082;1519595359;trinque;I am really opposed to putting any work whatsoever into managing gpg's unnecessary complexity 1786083;1519595377;trinque;somebody gimme a better rsatron and I'll use that instead. 1786084;1519595499;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/?p=7 << PizzaroISP - Pizarro, incorporated! 1786085;1519595670;mod6;<@deedbot> http://pizarroisp.net/?p=7 << PizzaroISP - Pizarro, incorporated! << cheers! 1786086;1519596842;mircea_popescu;ya srsly, can't have arbitrary relinkings 1786087;1519596899;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786035 << https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/82a10c81707dcff5ee24dec7ef7ebf8eccfded03#diff-772f489c7d0a32de3badbfbcb5fd200dR91 1786088;1519596899;a111;Logged on 2018-02-25 19:55 mircea_popescu: who put that abomination in there and why! 1786089;1519596943;mircea_popescu;unloadable non-page. 1786090;1519597108;phf;fair, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/82a10c81707dcff5ee24dec7ef7ebf8eccfded03.patch then 1786091;1519597123;mircea_popescu;im sure all https github is the same. 1786092;1519597137;phf;oh it's the https 1786093;1519597140;mircea_popescu;i mean this literally, they went offline at some point. 1786094;1519597153;phf;From 82a10c81707dcff5ee24dec7ef7ebf8eccfded03 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 1786095;1519597153;phf;From: Gregory Maxwell 1786096;1519597153;phf;Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:05:28 -0500 1786097;1519597153;phf;Subject: [PATCH] Resolves issue #922 - "wallet passphrase timeout of several 1786098;1519597154;phf; years doesn't work" 1786099;1519597155;phf;2^31 milliseconds is only about 25 days. Also clamps Sleep() to 10 years, 1786100;1519597156;phf;because it currently sleeps for 0 seconds when the sleep time would cross 1786101;1519597157;phf;2^31 seconds since the epoch. Hopefully boost will be fixed by 2028. 1786102;1519597158;phf;--- 1786103;1519597159;phf; src/bitcoinrpc.cpp | 6 +++--- 1786104;1519597160;phf; src/util.h | 4 +++- 1786105;1519597161;mircea_popescu;heh 1786106;1519597161;phf; 2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) 1786107;1519597162;phf;diff --git a/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp b/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp 1786108;1519597163;phf;index 68cc17b518dc..5571c344a322 100644 1786109;1519597164;phf;--- a/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp 1786110;1519597165;phf;+++ b/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp 1786111;1519597166;phf;@@ -1548,7 +1548,7 @@ void ThreadTopUpKeyPool(void* parg) 1786112;1519597167;phf; 1786113;1519597168;phf; void ThreadCleanWalletPassphrase(void* parg) 1786114;1519597169;phf; { 1786115;1519597170;phf;- int64 nMyWakeTime = GetTimeMillis() + *((int*)parg) * 1000; 1786116;1519597171;phf;+ int64 nMyWakeTime = GetTimeMillis() + *((int64*)parg) * 1000; 1786117;1519597172;phf; 1786118;1519597173;phf; ENTER_CRITICAL_SECTION(cs_nWalletUnlockTime); 1786119;1519597174;phf; 1786120;1519597175;phf;@@ -1584,7 +1584,7 @@ void ThreadCleanWalletPassphrase(void* parg) 1786121;1519597176;phf; 1786122;1519597177;phf; LEAVE_CRITICAL_SECTION(cs_nWalletUnlockTime); 1786123;1519597178;phf; 1786124;1519597179;phf;- delete (int*)parg; 1786125;1519597180;phf;+ delete (int64*)parg; 1786126;1519597181;phf; } 1786127;1519597182;phf; 1786128;1519597183;phf; Value walletpassphrase(const Array& params, bool fHelp) 1786129;1519597184;phf;@@ -1619,7 +1619,7 @@ Value walletpassphrase(const Array& params, bool fHelp) 1786130;1519597185;phf; "Stores the wallet decryption key in memory for seconds."); 1786131;1519597186;mircea_popescu;dude never heard of pasting 1786132;1519597186;phf; 1786133;1519597187;phf; CreateThread(ThreadTopUpKeyPool, NULL); 1786134;1519597188;phf;- int* pnSleepTime = new int(params[1].get_int()); 1786135;1519597189;phf;+ int64* pnSleepTime = new int64(params[1].get_int64()); 1786136;1519597190;phf; CreateThread(ThreadCleanWalletPassphrase, pnSleepTime); 1786137;1519597191;phf; 1786138;1519597192;phf; return Value::null; 1786139;1519597193;phf;diff --git a/src/util.h b/src/util.h 1786140;1519597194;phf;index 31d3275290e4..d5e8a71cd0f6 100644 1786141;1519597267;mircea_popescu;!~later tell phf sorry about that ; but srsly either bvulpes link or simply From: Gregory Maxwell would have sufficed. 1786142;1519597267;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1786143;1519597517;phf;now this could be misconstrued as a passive aggressive "how about now! can you read it now!", but my middle click copy paster failed, and then it's znc that's throttle sending. i figured i could kill znc, but mp was faster on the draw 1786144;1519597534;mircea_popescu;shit occurs. 1786145;1519597544;phf;anyway, yes, it's maxwell 1786146;1519598707;mod6;Thanks for digging that up phf! archive.is seems to have trouble pulling the patch directly from shithub. I've grabbed it and posted it myself for the ages: http://archive.is/1w3Kx 1786147;1519599193;ben_vulpes;!~ticker 1786148;1519599194;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 9648.3, Best ask: 9655.5, Bid-ask spread: 7.20000, Last trade: 9653.5, 24 hour volume: 30808.8059532, 24 hour low: 9280.4, 24 hour high: 9840.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1786149;1519599218;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all 1786150;1519599228;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9689.21, vol: 10584.23934686 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9655.1, vol: 30808.46580311 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9692.2, vol: 7413.36383628 | Volume-weighted last average: 9668.13248173 1786151;1519599229;mod6;ty 1786152;1519599263;mod6;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-2-25#308428 1786153;1519599276;mod6;bah, sorry. ignore this ^ 1786154;1519600189;trinque;mircea_popescu et al, new deedbot command is live: 1786155;1519600192;trinque;!!ledger 1786156;1519600206;mircea_popescu;!!ledger 1786157;1519600211;trinque;well son of a bitch 1786158;1519600215;mircea_popescu;not me! 1786159;1519600241;trinque;all all the commands are limited to pm, one sec 1786160;1519600260;mircea_popescu;a, that's good. 1786161;1519600352;mod6;heh, does !!ledger encode the whole block chain for a guy to get? 1786162;1519600365;mircea_popescu;i expect it's the story of !!balance 1786163;1519600366;trinque;no, it's the wallet ledger for you 1786164;1519600397;mod6;nice trinque ; so all movements per wot account 'eh? 1786165;1519600484;mircea_popescu;lel at fractionals. 1786166;1519600583;trinque;fuggin lisp. 1786167;1519601065;trinque;!!balance 1786168;1519601124;trinque;huh, got some wires crossed then. bbl 1786169;1519602470;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/a-few-santa-clause-nightmares << CH - A Few Santa Clause Nightmares 1786170;1519604267;trinque;!!ledger 1786171;1519604270;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gX55l/?raw=true 1786172;1519604299;trinque;alrighty, got some timestamps to make more human, but there it is. 1786173;1519604345;ben_vulpes;!!ledger 1786174;1519604349;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6DW4R/?raw=true 1786175;1519604351;trinque;spent a good amount of time today getting the logbot-command class working with ben_vulpes' multiple channel support 1786176;1519604400;ben_vulpes;sweet trinque does that mean i can get deedbot in #pizarro then? 1786177;1519604477;trinque;I don't see why not, after I make sure other parts (voicing etc) work 1786178;1519604512;ben_vulpes;no need for voice over there yet, but sure no rush 1786179;1519604583;trinque;next item on the list for the wallet is subscription processing. 1786180;1519604600;trinque;don't know if that's interesting to pizarro, but it's coming. 1786181;1519604617;ben_vulpes;neato 1786182;1519604700;trinque;there'll be some fee involved for those, would like to hear what interested users are willing to pay. 1786183;1519604706;mircea_popescu;trinque what functions would work out of chan though ? seems the ones that don't work in pm (!!deed say) shouldn't ; and the ones that work in pm... welll... 1786184;1519604745;trinque;he's asking, ben_vulpes what functions did you want 1786185;1519604811;mircea_popescu;i suppose if you actually make the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1784956 item then that'd prolly want its own #pizarro list ; but also by now it's such a complex piece of gnarl might even want to separate a rss-bot out of deedbot 1786186;1519604811;a111;Logged on 2018-02-19 14:56 mircea_popescu: trinque should prolly make the public blog rss thing a l1 blackballable item. ie anyone deedbot trusts can ask (in channel) for any item to be discontinued -- and it is. 1786187;1519604825;ben_vulpes;having wallet commands would be handy, unless mircea_popescu wants to see pizarro invoices/payments in #trilema 1786188;1519604827;trinque;already is separate 1786189;1519604831;trinque;the whole thing is modular. 1786190;1519604832;mircea_popescu;im not sure i want to have you maintain rss-shenanigans as part of deedbot proper, they're widely disjunct seriousness. 1786191;1519604836;ben_vulpes;does invoice work in pm? 1786192;1519604849;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes all those pay withdraw etc work in pm afaik. 1786193;1519604860;ben_vulpes;yeah, tis what i thought as well 1786194;1519604861;trinque;all wallet ops work in pm 1786195;1519604879;trinque;anyhow, this is definitely not some piece of gnarl. 1786196;1519604887;mircea_popescu;the rss stuff ? 1786197;1519604898;mircea_popescu;how can it not be, it has to read random websites. 1786198;1519604910;trinque;I don't understand the question. 1786199;1519604936;trinque;"deedbot" is something like 10 separate services. 1786200;1519604946;mircea_popescu;running on the same box ? 1786201;1519604957;trinque;no 1786202;1519604971;mircea_popescu;ah. so then it's a name-only thing, might as well have a rss bot name on the rss bot item 1786203;1519605002;mircea_popescu;otherwise you know, if the process running on the box where you do payments ALSO curls http://random.website/rss every 5 minutes... not so great. 1786204;1519605012;trinque;it already does not do this. 1786205;1519605019;mircea_popescu;very nice and good. 1786206;1519605070;trinque;there's a publisher/subscriber model in use, services being subscribers which are notified of new messages they might be interested in 1786207;1519605083;trinque;they then in turn can publish responses that exit the thing connected to IRC 1786208;1519605089;mircea_popescu;so there's three classes of things : 1. deedbot "proper" let's say, doing !!deed + the wot + the whole !!up system ; 2. deedbot payments ; 3. deedbot fluff, doing things like rss. 1786209;1519605195;mircea_popescu;now as to 1, i don't think it should be out of chan, on one hand because "secret" deeds plainly don't make sense ; on the other because the voice thing is ~probably~ premature in channel that is both new and customer facing. but in principle certainly could in the future have local l1 with voice model for diff channel, i think. 1786210;1519605251;mircea_popescu;2 already works in pm, so there's no absolute reason shouldn't work in any other channel, if you're willing to put the work into that. 1786211;1519605260;mircea_popescu;and 3 really should be a separate bot i think. 1786212;1519605328;mircea_popescu;conceivably 2 should be a separate bot also ; but a) as long as tyou're maintaining both and b) they really need very much the same level of security and assurance, it doesn't seem worth the hassle. 1786213;1519605340;trinque;kinda overcomplicates my way of handling IRC to separate into 3 connections to IRC. 1786214;1519605387;mircea_popescu;well, i was more probing if you actually want to implement the whole rss thing yourself or pass it along to some noob. 1786215;1519605429;trinque;ah. if a worthy noob is interested in handling rss, he may. 1786216;1519605509;mircea_popescu;course as it happens... pete_dushenski just decided he's not really interested... maybe http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784578 was looking for a way in ? 1786217;1519605509;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 02:41 TomServo: Wish I could help with any current woes, if that's possible lemme know. 1786218;1519605520;mircea_popescu;joecool ? you doing anything these days ? 1786219;1519605575;mircea_popescu;douchebag ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? mats ? 1786220;1519605583;mircea_popescu;jesus christ look at that, plenty of list 1786221;1519605675;trinque;upstack a bit, I can see the argument for separating functionality into meaningful (nick)names 1786222;1519605700;mircea_popescu;well for one thing one can't /ignore the rss cuz of deedbot. it's a little much. 1786223;1519605711;trinque;under the hood, the wallet's called "mensarius" 1786224;1519605723;mircea_popescu;lol. srsly, what's wrong with paybot 1786225;1519605835;trinque;ah other than it being in that language you keep in your torture room, nothin! 1786226;1519605859;mircea_popescu;so apparently $$$ can't be a nick 1786227;1519605860;trinque;untaken even 1786228;1519605896;mircea_popescu;of course. that's why i say, why not own the central word. 1786229;1519605911;trinque;works for me. I'll snag it 1786230;1519605912;mircea_popescu;freenode is about as sparse as a camho's brain, no need to get clever. 1786231;1519605958;mircea_popescu;deedbot wasn't fucking "mercurius" after all... 1786232;1519607256;ben_vulpes;jurov mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MOuRX/?raw=true 1786233;1519607715;douchebag;h 1786234;1519607724;mod6;ben_vulpes: *thumbsup* 1786235;1519610951;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in leathery goods, http://78.media.tumblr.com/1a41b67671cd2ba74a5299187dffd2a1/tumblr_nf32g7ESAM1to0cl0o1_1280.jpg 1786236;1519611710;trinque;douchebag: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777292 << what came of this? 1786237;1519611710;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 20:20 ben_vulpes: douchebag: do yr marching orders make sense? 1786238;1519614436;lobbes;!!ledger 1786239;1519614439;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oG7AA/?raw=true 1786240;1519614485;lobbes;neato trinque. very useful 1786241;1519614615;lobbes;mircea_popescu: while I'm still working through my self-directed remedial mathematics studies to understand merkle-trees at a functional level, what I have learned so far got me thinking: 1786242;1519614618;lobbes;so, here's what I understand thus far re: my goal (plox to correct me): essentially construct a 'tree' of the set of all webpages archived. the 'root' will be the hash of all branches. where I'm still fuzzy is how the remaining branhces/nodes are to be structured (though perhaps this may become clear to me upon further study) 1786243;1519614625;lobbes;I am guessing it will be something like: 1) root 2) nodes for 'distinct url', each who has child nodes representing 3) historical instances of that 'distinct url', each who has child notes representing 4) the collection of files that make up that webpage 1786244;1519614634;lobbes;and if 4) is correct, then should that be further broken down into a webpage hierarchy? Because if so, we may be limited using archive.is as a middle-man as the zips it spits out do not have the file structure intact; always 'flat' (e.g. this archived orlol: http://lobbesblog.com/archive/102.zip) 1786245;1519615635;mircea_popescu;lobbes you understand what the AST is for a [webpage 1786246;1519615645;mircea_popescu;lobbes you understand what the AST is for a [web]page [of code] ? 1786247;1519621052;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786219, I'm working on custom runtime / zero footprint ada code 1786248;1519621052;a111;Logged on 2018-02-26 00:39 mircea_popescu: douchebag ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? mats ? 1786249;1519621052;lobbesbot;ave1: Sent 1 week, 3 days, 5 hours, and 53 minutes ago: so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything 1786250;1519621094;ave1;Also, as it happens on some bot code in ADA, but this is slow going 1786251;1519621128;mircea_popescu;aite 1786252;1519621221;ave1;So request is to create a rss-reader bot, that can subscribe / unsubscribe on request from L1 only? 1786253;1519621239;mircea_popescu;hey, keep with the zero overhead ada compiles 1786254;1519621241;mircea_popescu;more useful. 1786255;1519621273;ave1;Yes, that one is almost done, hard part is making a blog item, will do that first 1786256;1519621282;mircea_popescu;cool 1786257;1519621418;ave1;I will finish blog post this week 1786258;1519621440;mircea_popescu;cool 1786259;1519621487;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786246 << ahh okay, I misunderstood (glad I asked). So each archived webpage will have its own abstract syntax tree of the code. Now I'm starting to see the utility in deduping (e.g. can ignore 'meaningless' changes between otherwise identical webpages (such as an extra whitespace, etc)) 1786260;1519621487;a111;Logged on 2018-02-26 03:27 mircea_popescu: lobbes you understand what the AST is for a [web]page [of code] ? 1786261;1519621546;mircea_popescu;lobbes webpages are just idiotic programs. you familiar with how the dom works ? it's just a tree structure, more grossly of resources ("img src=" ; script = " etc) and more finely of tagged elements (
etc). 1786262;1519621566;mircea_popescu;nobody can possibly force you to save image sluts-in-water-12.jpg EVERY TIME some page links it. yes ? 1786263;1519621586;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, keeping the merkle trees of sites is the ultimate de-duping 1786264;1519621592;mircea_popescu;which is the original problem you started with. 1786265;1519621653;mircea_popescu;but the implications are far-reaching (for one example : sinonymy rings can be declared, whereby a set of images are declared equivalent to trilema's rss.svg, so i can simply see that in there instead of w/e insanity the author picked)\ 1786266;1519623280;lobbes;this is making more and more sense, ty. 1786267;1519623283;lobbes;re: dom, I've been wondering if it would be worth it to leverage this to build the trees. alternative I guess would be to parse the downloaded files from archive.is and build based on that 1786268;1519623310;mircea_popescu;well, it's a huge field, like a major cave-in you stumbled upon here. i don't expect it'll be done in one hack 1786269;1519623610;lobbes;word. iterative approach makes sense. see what works, improve, repeat. 1786270;1519639346;jurov;ben_vulpes: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 4C4FCE69 gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available 1786271;1519639636;jurov;oops i tried to decrypt oG7AA instead of MOuRX, nevermind 1786272;1519639728;jurov;and ack, schedule for reboots and raid corruptions was set 1786273;1519639862;jurov;oops jkjk 1786274;1519652810;mircea_popescu;soo i'm trying to dig up an ancient discussion (in which i proposed to alf he weighs something PRECISELY). i can't find it, of course, but meanwhile http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-30#336297 http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-30#336298 1786275;1519652810;a111;Logged on 2013-09-30 07:12 mircea_popescu: Protandrous hermaphrodites refer to organisms that are born male and at some point in their lifespan change sex to female. Protandrous animals include clownfish. Clownfish have a very structured society. In the Amphiprion percula species, there are zero to four individuals excluded from breeding and a breeding pair living in a sea anemone. Dominance is based on size, the female being the largest and the male being the 1786276;1519652810;a111;Logged on 2013-09-30 07:12 mircea_popescu: second largest. The rest of the group is made up of progressively smaller non-breeders, which have no functioning gonads. If the female dies, the male gains weight and becomes the female for that group. The largest non-breeding fish then sexually matures and becomes the male of the group. 1786277;1519652941;mircea_popescu;then we wonder why the kids are "transgender". but as their life conditions become more like these offered by sea anemone (ie, a very sparse stone cubicle in a very hostile ocean), the clows will naturally be more like clownfish. 1786278;1519653019;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you remember this btw ? exact sister argument to the dioxin-less tomato crate, but with "weigh EXACTLY, fucker" instead. 1786279;1519658433;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/technology-and-governance/ << Trilema - Technology and Governance 1786280;1519658539;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/argentine-coast-guard-fires-on-and-is-outmaneuvered-by-chinese-fishing-vessel/ << Qntra - Argentine Coast Guard Fires On And Is Outmaneuvered By Chinese Fishing Vessel 1786281;1519660109;mod6;mornin' 1786282;1519662850;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite frustrating, i know there ~was~ this thread. but no dice re finding when, where. 1786283;1519664152;mircea_popescu;myeah. i spent an unpleasant coupla hours earlier at this also 1786284;1519664861;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786219 <-- hey, that sounds like a really neat project, I wouldn't mind adding it to the list. on a related note, /me has been on a sort of semi-holiday for the last 2 months, which led to a lot of exploration on items of potential republican interest. e.g. the ada lisp scriptlang, an irc logger bot (which I could spin into a rss bot), the text browser thing and some out-of-the-blue ro-en Trilema 1786285;1519664861;a111;Logged on 2018-02-26 00:39 mircea_popescu: douchebag ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? mats ? 1786286;1519664867;spyked;translations. I've been piling 'em up and taking them in small bits, which makes this very much non-productive work on the short term. I can prioritize if you deem any item to be particularly important (and I think it'd be best to first publish some of these before embarking on further quests) 1786287;1519664939;douchebag;hm? 1786288;1519665066;mircea_popescu;spyked the bot is a solved problem, genesis and all. 1786289;1519665641;spyked;mircea_popescu, do you mean the irc logger? well, I figured moar redundancy can't do any harm; and it started as an occasion to study the various ways in which common lisp can handle the various pieces (database, irc, http). what I have so far is not very different from btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , only I made it a point to avoid quicklisp and use manual imports etc. 1786290;1519665675;mircea_popescu;i guess. but there's so much work not currently bering handled seems somewhat of a waste to re-do things already done. 1786291;1519665686;mircea_popescu;what exactly is the benefit of redundancy in correct code ? 1786292;1519665710;mircea_popescu;redundancy is for known-broken items 1786293;1519665719;spyked;oh, I meant redundancy in "standing a logger bot", not necessarily in re-coding. 1786294;1519665753;mircea_popescu;well that sure, just press it and voila. 1786295;1519665829;mircea_popescu;anyway, more generally, don't do the work-for-drawer idiocy. do things ; publish them, and so on. 1786296;1519666249;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'll take 'em in exchange for the note at 0.5. ty! 1786297;1519666263;mircea_popescu;deal. 1786298;1519666274;mircea_popescu;send asciilifeform shipping deets. 1786299;1519666278;ben_vulpes;ack 1786300;1519666329;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: also plox to specify if you want the usb snakes, or sans ( the latter -- slightly faster , i 'jit'-stock snakes ) 1786301;1519666349;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hfwYb/?raw=true 1786302;1519666351;ben_vulpes;can ya' 1786303;1519666360;ben_vulpes;can you jit them to me instead of your workshop? 1786304;1519666368;asciilifeform;sure. 1786305;1519666371;ben_vulpes;please to 1786306;1519666449;asciilifeform;ok worx. all goes out by thurs at the very worst. 1786307;1519666658;ben_vulpes;mmmmk 1786308;1519666707;ben_vulpes;please let me know when you get a delivery date as well 1786309;1519666734;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes now getting back to this deal of ours. 0.345773172 for a year of box as detailed ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785941 ) + 0.014 for one month of rack + ??? for a pair fgs 1786310;1519666734;a111;Logged on 2018-02-24 18:53 ben_vulpes: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.345773172 one year of http://pizarroisp.net/?p=9 1786311;1519666737;mircea_popescu;aaalmost there. 1786312;1519666870;mircea_popescu;also, are you gonna sell 5 to mod6 for an instant paper profit ? lol. 1786313;1519666886;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'm going to roll the FGs into the rental cost of the machine; 20% markup for a year paid up front for the whole kit and caboodle if that passes with you 1786314;1519666936;mod6;lol, if i wanted to get middleman'd, i'd get 'em from dpb! 1786315;1519666939;mircea_popescu;well... it'll pass with me for fairytale reasons (irl i wouldn't have any reason to buy insurance on a fg, seeing how that'll be the day, and besides i got alf to squeeze ; but let's play.) 1786316;1519666998;mircea_popescu;mod6 so is pizarro gonna sell you things at cost ?! 1786317;1519667013;mod6;i doubt it. 1786318;1519667027;ben_vulpes;aight thanks mircea_popescu 1786319;1519667037;mod6;tis why, was hoping to buy direct from nsa. 1786320;1519667062;mod6;but if there are not 5 remaining, then there are not 5. will figure something else out. 1786321;1519667064;*;asciilifeform was just about to retort to 'insurance on fg, lol' with 'fg is eternal iron' but then remembered that cpld's eeprom is rated for somewhere like 20yrs. naturally it can be refreshed via the jtag connector and my signed payload, as many times as one likes. 1786322;1519667079;mircea_popescu;mod6 no offense, and sorry for the contorted ; but in thew business game we're currently playing nsa is going to only want to sell in bulk see 1786323;1519667101;mod6;Alrighty. 1786324;1519667119;mircea_popescu;so unless you actually want the next 100 once we assemble them... you're stuck dealing with one or the other 1786325;1519667130;mod6;Fair enough. 1786326;1519667519;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786295 <-- makes plenty of sense; it never crossed my head to not publish, it's more a matter of discipline (whipping myself up into shape and focusing) 1786327;1519667519;a111;Logged on 2018-02-26 17:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, more generally, don't do the work-for-drawer idiocy. do things ; publish them, and so on. 1786328;1519669008;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06c-ffa-egypt-proof.html << The Tar Pit - Egyptian div and mul "work": a correctness proof for the arithmetic operations in FFA Chapter 5 1786329;1519671707;mod6;Alright, I'm taking quotes on those 5 FGs now. Please add in a bit for shipping to MN. Would like to see them packaged like this: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/20170328_125346.jpg 1786330;1519671722;mod6;danielpbarron, ben_vulpes ^. 1786331;1519672083;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1786332;1519672090;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10246.81, vol: 14354.04888975 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10230.25145315, vol: 43778.80132675 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10248.7, vol: 8600.73993726 | Volume-weighted last average: 10236.1907911 1786333;1519672734;ben_vulpes;mod6: i'll do the 5 for 0.7838890 btc; that's a 10% markup from pizarro's cost plus ~20usd for shipping 1786334;1519672759;ben_vulpes;sorry 0.07838890 1786335;1519673240;mod6;Thanks ben_vulpes! I'll leave it open for danielpbarron here yet. See what he comes up with. 1786336;1519679232;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786334 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785964 price drop! 1786337;1519679232;a111;Logged on 2018-02-26 19:19 ben_vulpes: sorry 0.07838890 1786338;1519679232;a111;Logged on 2018-02-24 19:23 mod6: !~calc 0.0395 * 5 1786339;1519680401;mod6;Aha, very competitive pricing there. 1786340;1519680431;mod6;Wanna give dpb a chance here tho, before I accept. I feel like 24 hours should be fine since the time of my posting. 1786341;1519680441;*;danielpbarron has no better offer 1786342;1519680490;mod6;Ok, fair enough, I appreciate your response danielpbarron. I'll probably need more eventually anyway. 1786343;1519680579;mod6;ben_vulpes: It's a deal then! Can pay sometime today yet. Invoice me if you like even. I'll pay with my deedbot acct. 1786344;1519680589;mod6;Will provide shipping details later also. 1786345;1519685159;BingoBoingo;From the Bawlling And Butthurt files: https://archive.is/w4daN "Westminster’s prospective buyer only changed its name from Jiangsu Zhongtai Bridge Steel Structure Co. to Kaiwen at the end of December" 1786346;1519685403;BingoBoingo;!~later tell joecool It looks like you sat too long putting togther that "exclusive". Now the world knows Craig Wright is being sued for 10 Billion dollars and such are the wages of convincingly faking the wrong papers. 1786347;1519685403;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1786348;1519685493;BingoBoingo;!~seen joecool 1786349;1519685493;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: I have not seen joecool. 1786350;1519685645;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785174 1786351;1519685645;a111;Logged on 2018-02-19 23:11 joecool: BingoBoingo: probable creators of bitcoin filed suit against each other last week, I have the complaint 1786352;1519692136;mircea_popescu;talk about waste. 1786353;1519692270;mircea_popescu;!~rated joecool 1786354;1519692270;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "rated" is not a valid command. 1786355;1519692274;mircea_popescu;!!rated joecool 1786356;1519692274;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated joecool 1 at 2015/05/07 16:00:17 << Approximately new blood :p 1786357;1519692283;mircea_popescu;!!rate joecool -1 wastrel. 1786358;1519692286;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uVVwR/?raw=true 1786359;1519692746;mircea_popescu;!!up state_bits 1786360;1519692746;deedbot;state_bits voiced for 30 minutes. 1786361;1519692788;state_bits;Hi all - I stopped by a month or so ago. Been reading logs but wanted to register a key 1786362;1519692796;mircea_popescu;go for it 1786363;1519692825;state_bits;ty 1786364;1519692827;state_bits;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/R0FwM/?raw=true 1786365;1519692830;deedbot;28FD28682552EE17282217A4A9DFAC7974E1933D registered as state_bits. 1786366;1519692906;state_bits;btw actually stumbled on trilema maybe 4 months ago 1786367;1519692917;mircea_popescu;anything good ? 1786368;1519692918;state_bits;taken that long to unpantsuitify myself 1786369;1519692923;state_bits;I'm only halfway lol 1786370;1519692981;state_bits;Hope to keep stopping by to sharpen myself against the spinning blades etc 1786371;1519692990;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1786372;1519692998;state_bits;Also happy to see qntra is back up 1786373;1519693019;state_bits;Anyway I'll pop back if I have anything worth saying 1786374;1519693029;mircea_popescu;cool. 1786375;1519695409;mod6;evenin'! 1786376;1519695934;mod6;!!up pinochle 1786377;1519695935;deedbot;pinochle voiced for 30 minutes. 1786378;1519696707;pinochle;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YpSse/?raw=true 1786379;1519696711;deedbot;685BD2BF73D2096B8DBDA3754EE147269B5763CA registered as pinochle. 1786380;1519696747;mircea_popescu;aaand who might ye be ? 1786381;1519696867;pinochle;long time log eater, taking steps a la http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ 1786382;1519696884;mircea_popescu;so good for you. 1786383;1519696890;mircea_popescu;!!rate pinochle 1 new blood 1786384;1519696896;mircea_popescu;!!rate state_bits 1 new blood 1786385;1519696903;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7KBf2/?raw=true 1786386;1519696905;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/78UmJ/?raw=true 1786387;1519715619;ben_vulpes;!!ledger 1786388;1519715623;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ijc2z/?raw=true 1786389;1519715714;trinque;thanks to ben_vulpes for reporting a rounding error in the display, caused by use of insufficiently girthy type. 1786390;1519715759;ben_vulpes;!!withdraw 1.93421146 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 1786391;1519715764;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ne0jm/?raw=true 1786392;1519715816;ben_vulpes;!!v 01D528360093F96F3782FE9B4F7BE79E566588684C652399E2E14A1347C464F7 1786393;1519715823;ben_vulpes;ty trinque 1786394;1519715930;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-27#1786368 << infection free in just four months, the wonder 1786395;1519715930;a111;Logged on 2018-02-27 00:55 state_bits: taken that long to unpantsuitify myself 1786396;1519716261;ben_vulpes;!!invoice mod6 0.07838890 5 fuckgoats 1786397;1519716279;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QrMOS/?raw=true 1786398;1519717592;trinque;ben_vulpes: I apparently broke the wallet's !!v just now; note the lack of responses 1786399;1519717598;trinque;shipped a fix, sorry about that. 1786400;1519717632;trinque;it spent their OTPs, but didn't perform the action. 1786401;1519717813;ben_vulpes;huh okay 1786402;1519717816;ben_vulpes;!!ledger 1786403;1519717820;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/v4aSG/?raw=true 1786404;1519717841;*;trinque headed to bed now anyway, will fire off tx he finds sitting in the printer in the morn 1786405;1519717849;ben_vulpes;!!withdraw 1.93421146 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 1786406;1519717853;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RMBIB/?raw=true 1786407;1519717871;ben_vulpes;nearly my bedtime as well 1786408;1519717902;ben_vulpes;!!v 62F36A15769E120191B9A977DB33132B21F79482C6EDC2C6B267C5D869278752 1786409;1519717906;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uHGfL/?raw=true 1786410;1519717925;ben_vulpes;!!invoice mod6 0.07838890 5 fuckgoats 1786411;1519717929;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Pcqq7/?raw=true 1786412;1519717930;trinque;great, that's working 1786413;1519717953;ben_vulpes;!!v 32B3DB1434F07BE8BEB8DB1382A257D5CBB002E4DB65F79994F45BD0A964F1B4 1786414;1519717957;deedbot;Invoiced mod6 0.07838890 << 5 fuckgoats 1786415;1519717961;ben_vulpes;!!ledger 1786416;1519717966;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/D7nU4/?raw=true 1786417;1519717986;ben_vulpes;yup looks good 1786418;1519718098;trinque;good deal, night 1786419;1519737634;mod6;!!received-invoices 1786420;1519737638;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BV8Fh/?raw=true 1786421;1519737776;mod6;!!pay-invoice ben_vulpes 1 1786422;1519737779;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/h7nDz/?raw=true 1786423;1519737907;mod6;!!v 77C39A52BD39D883BF5451A276F1822AE7ADC91F786A9A386765221041DE4693 1786424;1519737910;deedbot;mod6 paid ben_vulpes invoice 1 1786425;1519737958;mod6;!!balance 1786426;1519737962;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0o5Ef/?raw=true 1786427;1519738098;mod6;!!ledger 1786428;1519738101;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QY8AJ/?raw=true 1786429;1519738209;mod6;ben_vulpes: ok should be set to go! thanks :] 1786430;1519738221;mod6;trinque: very cool stuff here -- ledger is v. nice. 1786431;1519744535;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1786432;1519744557;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10559.55, vol: 13889.38508461 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10549.0, vol: 45985.89526561 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10567.7, vol: 7963.54401819 | Volume-weighted last average: 10553.3551947 1786433;1519744602;BingoBoingo;And the laffs keep jaoking on 1786434;1519745787;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/27/useful-things-for-hostel-living/ << Bingo Blog - Useful Things For Hostel Living 1786435;1519746019;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in self-marketing, http://78.media.tumblr.com/b32082e044126fa8bd5f867cb3f1af92/tumblr_nf5m1tYVOm1qhs0yco1_1280.jpg 1786436;1519746464;mircea_popescu;trinque feature request : can ledger get a break line every time you call ledger ? here's what i mean exactly : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/697pq/?raw=true 1786437;1519747145;trinque;surely that's not still showing rationals? 1786438;1519747163;trinque;what's the benefit of the feature req? open to it 1786439;1519748110;mircea_popescu;nah, just used an old copy. 1786440;1519748139;mircea_popescu;the benefit is that it provides natural checkpoints when one's doing the books, so doesn't have to start from adam every time. eventually these run long, especially if one's active. 1786441;1519750615;trinque;ah, makes total sense. 1786442;1519750619;trinque;sure thing. 1786443;1519750783;mircea_popescu;cool. and while i think unixtime is fine in the actual ledger, i'd prefer human date in the breaklines 1786444;1519750851;mircea_popescu;(the obvious benefit for you is that eventually you'll be able to say "ledger only runs to the past x lines or y calls of ledger, whichever is longer. this may seem as "nothing" but mind the "unbounded strings" fallacy. everything has to have a length.) 1786445;1519751344;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/memoranda-of-congress/ << Trilema - Memoranda of Congress 1786446;1519759273;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/facebook-live-fails-to-stop-man-with-gun-one-dead/ << Qntra - "Facebook Live" Fails To Stop Man With Gun, One Dead 1786447;1519765645;mod6;One thing, I don't think I ever mentioned yet; I intend to fill The Bitcoin Foundation's board seat on Pizarro's board. Unless anyone objects to this. 1786448;1519765956;ave1;finally done describing minimal runtime creation for gnat ada: http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-and-zero-foot-print-runtimes/. 1786449;1519766012;mircea_popescu;mod6 that's for you and ben_vulpes to work out really. 1786450;1519766265;ben_vulpes;works for me 1786451;1519766526;mod6;Alright, settled then. Thanks. 1786452;1519774094;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in south africa, https://78.media.tumblr.com/dee8f75a9a1aefa37e61a0f07653f1b8/tumblr_oujffpKzDl1wueqafo2_400.gif 1786453;1519774129;asciilifeform;that dithering 1786454;1519774296;mircea_popescu;it's a sign of social responsibility. 1786455;1519774331;asciilifeform;because whoknows, what if reader has a ega ? 1786456;1519774419;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the harem files : girl makes blackforest chocolate cake, out of my magical 100% chocolate bars. as per instructions adds very little sugar. item is ready, tiny slices are served, it's utterly delicious. then the calorie calculation is made. the 2kg cake has 4800 calories. girls decide they can not afford the calories. 1786457;1519774420;mircea_popescu;ever. 1786458;1519774422;mircea_popescu;i am left with a cake. 1786459;1519774453;mircea_popescu;delicious cake 1786460;1519778563;mod6;:D 1786461;1519778883;mircea_popescu;ave1 nice work. it is "be built" though. 1786462;1519778909;mircea_popescu;diana_coman can we include a report of compiling eucrypt with his barebone runtime ? 1786463;1519779056;mircea_popescu;ave1 also possibly your comments table is ill-formatted ? there's no 4. 1786464;1519791802;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all 1786465;1519791810;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10948.63, vol: 10326.67236520 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10953.0, vol: 41418.95303472 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10946.0, vol: 7471.45576622 | Volume-weighted last average: 10951.3547357 1786466;1519792733;ben_vulpes;!!invoice trinque 0.02777778 2 FUCKGOATS installed 1786467;1519792738;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bAgOC/?raw=true 1786468;1519792760;ben_vulpes;!!v 4483AD104006A82C4EEEABA53D4B77CC4548FB9D62A0FB2C451E31C4EB046BD4 1786469;1519792763;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.02777778 << 2 FUCKGOATS installed 1786470;1519793005;trinque;!!v 76CB5F5975BD206F6CAA1FBC81FD18611068B59EFE3D0EA6014F36A0EEE3238D 1786471;1519793008;deedbot;trinque paid ben_vulpes invoice 1 1786472;1519793032;trinque;ben_vulpes: thanks! 1786473;1519793077;ben_vulpes;gratzi trinque 1786474;1519793109;*;trinque afk 1786475;1519809102;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/?p=19 << PizzaroISP - Pizarro Statement, February 2018 1786476;1519809113;ben_vulpes;i look forward to the flensing in the morrow 1786477;1519811525;ave1;thanks!, I updated the post. 1786478;1519811551;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786461 1786479;1519811551;a111;Logged on 2018-02-28 00:48 mircea_popescu: ave1 nice work. it is "be built" though. 1786480;1519811664;ave1;Yeah, I know! I wanted to squeeze in this comment, but did not find a good position in the table to put the reference in. I'll just let it stand as a separate comment without number. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786463 1786481;1519811664;a111;Logged on 2018-02-28 00:50 mircea_popescu: ave1 also possibly your comments table is ill-formatted ? there's no 4. 1786482;1519826022;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786462 <- will give it a try for sure 1786483;1519826022;a111;Logged on 2018-02-28 00:48 mircea_popescu: diana_coman can we include a report of compiling eucrypt with his barebone runtime ? 1786484;1519826921;ave1;diana_coman: will you be depending on interfaces.c or interfaces.c.strings packages (I'v done some initial work on modified versions of these that do not need a second stack) 1786485;1519826934;diana_coman;ave1, unfortunately yes 1786486;1519827039;ave1;the fun of C strings, I hope you can use the procedure versions of To_Ada and To_C. 1786487;1519827451;diana_coman;ave1, tbh I've been trying to avoid .c.strings at least but atm it looks set to still make its way in because calling ada stuff from c and getting char * result is an even worse mess with interfaces.c only (i.e. with char_array vs chars_ptr) 1786488;1519827484;diana_coman;if you have experience with taming this particular kraken I'd be very happy to hear of it 1786489;1519828702;ave1;mostly the other way around, but I'll be happy to help out. (I'm slowly reading through the gnat runtime library code, I just realized I should write more notes while reading through this...) 1786490;1519829146;diana_coman;ave1, more notes sounds like a *very* good idea; mixing with char * c style is anyway a pain no matter how it's done 1786491;1519829196;diana_coman;notes on reading through gnat runtime library code sounds like great blog fodder 1786492;1519829366;ave1;Yes, as soon as you start a blog, fodder seems to be all around you. 1786493;1519829450;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/02/south-africa-set-to-begin-uncompensated-land-thefts/ << Qntra - South Africa Set To Begin Uncompensated Land Thefts 1786494;1519829514;ave1;BTW for an Ada IRC bot experiment, I'm working with buffers on both sides (ADA <--> C) and moving bytes one by one. This seems to deliver the cleanest code. (but will probably not ever be Mbytes per second) 1786495;1519829671;diana_coman;ave1, aha, byte by byte was what I ended up doing at testing stage just to see it really working; hopefully I'll still get it working properly with To_C as such and then I can still avoid the C.Strings, stick with the procs To_Ada and To_C; it's not going to be pretty but at least the mess is as small as I can see a way to do it now 1786496;1519830439;diana_coman;ave1 have you ever passed a char * from c to ada in such a way that ada actually sees the correct length for it? there is something I don't quite understand there as To_C seems to use Target'Length so the length should be set 1786497;1519833389;mircea_popescu;caaddr Valfor next i see your name in any other context than "here is the useful i did" comes the banning. 1786498;1519833447;mircea_popescu;ave1 you should ; also read through the eucrypt thing, ima (for instance) need someone to package it into a cmd line gpg replacement as soon as next wek. 1786499;1519835333;asciilifeform;ada folx: re making ada strings out of the c variety : strlen(char *) is a potentially lethal op ( suppose the nullterminator is missing ) so it will never be called implicitly by ada. you gotta either call strlen deliberately on c side, and then form ( can be on stack , declare ... Foo : String(1 .. Length) ... , say, a la http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L53 ) a proper ada string and copy the cstring into it. 1786500;1519835372;asciilifeform;... or use the secondary-stack-using standard mechanism for this ( or ave1's replacement, potentially ) . 1786501;1519835630;asciilifeform;in either case you gotta pick a max length for the thing, and copy ~up to~ that many bytes. but this is prolly obvious. 1786502;1519835703;mircea_popescu;i beleive in using the mess maker to clean up the messes it made. 1786503;1519835779;mircea_popescu;ave1 i can't imagine what exactly you could use mbytes / second in an irc bot. i don't think my irc interface even seens kb/s speeds. 1786504;1519837545;ben_vulpes;"the main feature of cryptocurrencies is their anonymity. i don't think this is a good thing" -- bill gates http://fortune.com/2018/02/27/bill-gates-on-bitcoin-ripple-price-reddit-2018/ 1786505;1519837554;ben_vulpes;offensively stupid remark. 1786506;1519837581;ben_vulpes;holy crap monero still undebunked in mainstream usg press 1786507;1519837585;ben_vulpes;offensively stupid country? 1786508;1519837685;ben_vulpes;and in other offensively stupid crap: "The private key, or PIN is what gives your bitcoin its value...Digital platforms like Coinbase don't give users a bitcoin PIN" holy crap the word salad 1786509;1519837720;ben_vulpes;that's enough i'm going to stop slamming my dick in the drawer now 1786510;1519837764;mircea_popescu;you know, i have some barely literate opinions from other niggers here for you, if you must read ? 1786511;1519837828;mircea_popescu;Hello. vewer am here to share my 1786512;1519837829;mircea_popescu;testimony on how I finally join the 1786513;1519837829;mircea_popescu;Illuminati hood and became rich , i am marry by name 45 years old from palm coast florida usa, I tried all 1786514;1519837829;mircea_popescu;my possible best to become a member of 1786515;1519837829;mircea_popescu;the hood but I was scam several times , 1786516;1519837829;mircea_popescu;before I finally come across a testimony on 1786517;1519837831;mircea_popescu;net so I contacted the agent , I was so 1786518;1519837835;mircea_popescu;afraid that he will ask me for lot of money 1786519;1519837837;mircea_popescu;before I can join the hood but to my 1786520;1519837839;mircea_popescu;greatest surprise he only ask me to obtain 1786521;1519837841;mircea_popescu;the pot of riches which I did and today, am 1786522;1519837843;mircea_popescu;so happy to say to the world that am one 1786523;1519837845;mircea_popescu;of the richest by having the sum of $ 360 1786524;1519837847;mircea_popescu;millions dollars in my personal account as a 1786525;1519837849;mircea_popescu;new member in Africa and am also known 1786526;1519837851;mircea_popescu;all over the world with the business given 1786527;1519837853;mircea_popescu;to me by the Illuminati and also have 1786528;1519837855;mircea_popescu;power to do that which I want 1786529;1519837859;mircea_popescu;^ there, it's even wordwrapped for greater conveniences. always the tell-tale sign of an lively, active intelligence, this wordwrap business. 1786530;1519837871;ben_vulpes;now that you mention it, "South Africa Votes to Seize White-Owned Land Without Compensation" http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/28/south-africa-votes-white-owned-land/ 1786531;1519837876;hanbot;there's only one PIN in opinions, sounds dangerous. 1786532;1519837878;mircea_popescu;it's been on qntra. 1786533;1519837901;ben_vulpes;walkin mah feeds in teh wronggg order. 1786534;1519837909;mircea_popescu;evidently. 1786535;1519838383;mircea_popescu;anyway, getting back to the point of bill gates / whatever pantsuit commentators on the fringes of the republic and old man jamemary of jamemary114@gmail.com / whatever nigger commentators ~ALSO!!!!~ very much exactly and entirely identically in each and every way also! on the fringes of the republic : there's really no difference. 1786536;1519838447;mircea_popescu;bill gates, like any other "oligarch", was made in ye olde socialist manner of "the great inca decrees so-and-so is to fill the role of great rich businessman". it is entirely a paper-only affair of the substance, and of the nature, AND EVEN OF THE FORM! of "joining the hood", carefully not to be scam, and rich through having numbers in bank account etc. 1786537;1519838507;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ means "death as good news". because, to this sort of people, it actually is, the best of news. they had no business being here in the first place, life on earth was naught but overburden and the anxiety incumbent from overburdening. 1786538;1519838567;mircea_popescu;there's exactly no difference between that misfortunate http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761494 ; or the article's ilie alexandru, or bill gates, or the quoted nigerian, or his exact identical twin obama, or the whole rest of them. 1786539;1519838567;a111;Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less! 1786540;1519839312;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/ << Trilema - The "Rivers of Blood" article, or -- The Lordship list, fifth year. 1786541;1519842305;ben_vulpes;trinque: deedbot ded 1786542;1519842691;trinque;wut 1786543;1519843126;trinque;curious thing, looks like he thought he was connected to something 1786544;1519843130;trinque;I'll keep an eye out. 1786545;1519843373;mircea_popescu;heh! 1786546;1519843383;mircea_popescu;didn't voice me on the first pass, either. 1786547;1519844632;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: deffect -> defect ( ? or is this deliberate ) 1786548;1519844689;mircea_popescu;ah yes 1786549;1519844703;mircea_popescu;ty 1786550;1519846547;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: any closer to producing an ETA for the FG shipment? 1786551;1519847831;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: thursday 1700 (new york time) 1786552;1519847853;asciilifeform;going ~out~, that is. ( they will go '2 day fedex' unless ben_vulpes absolutely must have faster ) 1786553;1519847870;ben_vulpes;thanks asciilifeform 1786554;1519847872;asciilifeform;np 1786555;1519847884;ben_vulpes;so likely monday then, or does the 2day include weekends 1786556;1519847897;asciilifeform;afaik it does not include weekend 1786557;1519847906;ben_vulpes;aight then 1786558;1519851436;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes left you a pile of q 1786559;1519851437;mircea_popescu;s 1786560;1519851455;ben_vulpes;ty mircea_popescu 1786561;1519852272;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784877 dun figure in there either way... was it ever brought before the board ? 1786562;1519852272;a111;Logged on 2018-02-18 19:22 mircea_popescu: is there any interest in this line with current management ? get a storage unit somewhere in uruguay, pile up all the pogos and other non-replenishables ? 1786563;1519852320;mircea_popescu;(divorced from the ~pogos itself~ question, which i gather dun really want) 1786564;1519852458;ben_vulpes;thanks for reminding me about that; i'll answer in a bit along with your q's on the blog a little later, attention currently demanded elsewhere 1786565;1519852465;mircea_popescu;no big rush.