1762051;1514766206;ben_vulpes;first of the new year! 1762052;1514766420;danielpbarron;trinque, i'm asked a question via your script: "Expose hardware/virtual IRQ mapping via debugfs (IRQ_DOMAIN_DEBUG) [N/y/?] (NEW)" 1762053;1514766460;trinque;that is actually the kernel makefile asking you things. 1762054;1514766507;trinque;your kernel config was probably for an older kernel eh? 1762055;1514766529;trinque;you can just answer y/n and you'll make it out the other end eventually 1762056;1514766659;trinque;defaults will probably work, but it's worth hitting ? on the ones you don't recognize; it'll give a description. 1762057;1514766661;danielpbarron;the default is N, should I do that? 1762058;1514766663;danielpbarron;k 1762059;1514766701;trinque;that looks useful for kernel dev. I don't think you'd need it. 1762060;1514766735;*;trinque brb after an errand. 1762061;1514766756;danielpbarron;oh shit, after that it's a lot more questions, i'm just gonna do default on all of it 1762062;1514767842;ben_vulpes;http://trilema.com/2017/we-shall-now-read-anathem/#selection-395.0-407.1 << >> http://oglaf.com/plumes/ 1762063;1514774379;hanbot; in other holy shit : apparently omaha, nebraska cancelled ny fireworks because it snowed and the soviets "dun want anyone to get frostbite" << and in other kansas news, wichita saw a man killed on his doorstep 'cause someone prank called 911 claiming a murder/hostage thing at that address, and he came out with his hands up sub-optimally, apparently. http://archive.is/AszYN 1762064;1514777234;ben_vulpes;went for a gun, dontcha know 1762065;1514782031;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-January/000285.html 1762066;1514782047;mod6;Happy New Years to you all! 1762067;1514782996;shinohai;Happy New year mod6 , all 1762068;1514799230;diana_coman;Happy New Year! 1762069;1514819632;BingoBoingo;Feliz ano. Fuegos artificiales were more intense for the new year, but much briefer in duration. 1762070;1514819646;BingoBoingo;Ended up getting a mortar and shells arrangement for the hostel. 1762071;1514820121;BingoBoingo;One or two blogposts incoming while memories are fresh to get the speller calibrated and then December ISP statement 1762072;1514823520;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in olds, http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/NOISE/NOISRC.HTM 1762073;1514826742;shinohai;"A battery-powered consumer FM radio is placed in a metallic can as a shield. The radio is placed in monaural mode, and the output taken across one of the earphones. An appropriate level for the sound card is slightly audible a foot or two away. " :) 1762074;1514828839;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/01/asado-fuegos-y-feliz-a-new-year-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Asado, Fuegos, y Feliz: A New Year In Montevideo 1762075;1514834162;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/messy/ << Trilema - Messy 1762076;1514836524;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1762077;1514836530;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13283.08, vol: 7421.80776092 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13234.0, vol: 29025.14711491 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13595.0, vol: 2120.15220366 | Volume-weighted last average: 13263.2901738 1762078;1514837097;mod6;hai 1762079;1514837106;ben_vulpes;ohai mod6 1762080;1514837122;mod6;how goes today? 1762081;1514837240;ben_vulpes;pretty good, listening to raffi, working through ffa_ch4, tidying up some stuff for $work 1762082;1514837276;ben_vulpes;what's up in mod6landia? 1762083;1514837318;mod6;:] not much! catchin up on BB's blog & trilema. 1762084;1514837657;mircea_popescu;what'\s a raffi ? 1762085;1514837670;mod6;oh man 1762086;1514837683;mircea_popescu;hey mobile46836 1762087;1514837685;mircea_popescu;oops. mod6 ! 1762088;1514837725;mod6;howdy! 1762089;1514837743;ben_vulpes;kidz toonz. "quack quack music please?" 1762090;1514837783;mod6;that's pretty nice. the guy makes me want to stab pencils in my ears. 1762091;1514837847;mod6;ring ring ring ring bananaphone. ding dong ding dong BANANAPHOOOOOOONE 1762092;1514837862;mod6;ARRRGGGGH! 1762093;1514837865;*;mod6 falls over 1762094;1514837908;ben_vulpes;lol totally. i've finally leveled up in guitar to the point where i can pick some simple songs like this out, so i'm getting some background auditory training in at the same time 1762095;1514837923;mod6;ah cool 1762096;1514837945;mircea_popescu;wtf is a bananaphone 1762097;1514837950;mod6;hahaha 1762098;1514838078;mod6;don't listen to it. 1762099;1514838130;ben_vulpes;i don't recommend it either 1762100;1514838222;BingoBoingo;It's a contagious auditory infection, recommend against having it screened by one of the girls 1762101;1514838392;ben_vulpes;well now i'm listening to the beatles because a raffi cover of octopus' garden came on and i'd rather listen to the beatles and totally not 'cause y'all are a bunch of judgemental terrorists 1762102;1514838412;mod6;lol 1762103;1514838415;shinohai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ffHO2vsUBY << im trying to learn some damage plan 1762104;1514838434;shinohai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ffHO2vsUBY << im trying to learn some damage plan 1762105;1514838462;shinohai;y double? lol 1762106;1514838546;ben_vulpes;shinohai: thats miles beyond my meagre sausage-wiggling skills 1762107;1514839215;shinohai;sweeps are a much nicer method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAazjl7cypo 1762108;1514841162;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/01/the-boingo-isp-december-2017-monthly-statement/ << Bingo Blog - The Boingo ISP December 2017 Monthly Statement 1762109;1514841199;BingoBoingo;December 2017 statement published, pls check for compliance to the standards at http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ 1762110;1514841434;BingoBoingo;Whether local fiat banking is acquired here or not, January 8th discussions will start with the datacenter on finalizing a package, signing contracts, and getting them paid and machines turned on. 1762111;1514841488;trinque;BingoBoingo: will the ISP be providing machines to rent, or are all customers expected to ship their own? 1762112;1514841504;trinque;and where are your rate estimates at the moment? 1762113;1514841549;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762081 << 'it's CELLULAR, it's MODULAr, it's Interactivodular!111' (tm)(r) 1762114;1514841549;a111;Logged on 2018-01-01 20:07 ben_vulpes: pretty good, listening to raffi, working through ffa_ch4, tidying up some stuff for $work 1762115;1514841578;trinque;lol 1762116;1514841609;BingoBoingo;trinque: The estimated rates here are still the estimates http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/11/16/tbi-mid-november-update/ 1762117;1514841643;shinohai;I sell u juarez 1762118;1514841768;trinque;BingoBoingo: if the "rest of the expenses" includes all business bootstrapping costs, are we getting shares? 1762119;1514841781;BingoBoingo;And the expectation at the moment is either customers ship, purchase, or otherwise negtiate a machine. At this stage I am weary on the renting, because I don't know what an acceptable machine to rent out is given the proclivity of the lords. 1762120;1514841899;trinque;or conversely, are rates expected to decrease as bootstrapping costs are recovered? 1762121;1514841929;BingoBoingo;trinque: With the debt owed to mircea_popescu by the venture, I lack the arrogance to propose any sort of share arrangement at this time. 1762122;1514841996;trinque;sure, just trying to get you to answer the questions that people will have before wanting to sign on the line. 1762123;1514842088;BingoBoingo;Rates can be expected to decrease if network connectivity gets cheaper, or if two racks or filled they could start to go down on the volume of things. 1762124;1514842293;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, " I would have liked has on into becoming a fuctional as a person in Montevideo " <- ?? 1762125;1514842327;diana_coman;and if it gets to praying stage.... 1762126;1514842340;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty fxd 1762127;1514842516;BingoBoingo;Well, it depends on where the prayers are going 1762128;1514842604;diana_coman;what is the current bottleneck anyway? I can't seem to find it in clear in there or previous posts, am I missing something? 1762129;1514842632;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: The current bottleneck is getting set up as a business with a bank account. 1762130;1514842655;diana_coman;so the bank account? or creating a business? and why/what exactly in more detail? 1762131;1514842692;diana_coman;I thought you had found the needed local person for it after some fumbling or did I get that part wrong? 1762132;1514842748;BingoBoingo;I found an accountant. They are insisting the government should have the paperwork approved soon, but they haven't been too forthcoming on details. 1762133;1514842803;BingoBoingo;Then the bank account matter is something they've brought me in several times to fill out forms for. 1762134;1514842873;BingoBoingo;The accountant is getting pressed this week over what exactly they have been paid for. 1762135;1514842898;diana_coman;question is what leverage the press really has 1762136;1514842901;trinque;can't grab one of those international amex accounts and pay the dc with that? 1762137;1514842942;BingoBoingo;International amex account? 1762138;1514842943;trinque;granted relying on external banking permanently is not ideal 1762139;1514842959;diana_coman;honestly, it all sounds to me so deja-vu in the style of "soon" meaning anything at all but usually a loong time (possibly unless oiled) and forms to fill similar "hoops for no-connections person" 1762140;1514842963;trinque;there are credit cards without foreign exchange fees. 1762141;1514842985;BingoBoingo;trinque: Their standard contract specifies wires to Itau bank 1762142;1514843013;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Hence the prayers 1762143;1514843085;BingoBoingo;Of course it's possible the local department of approving papers has been stoned since the expocannabis and fucked off all of december for holidays 1762144;1514843546;BingoBoingo;The voice in my head suggesting "Muy tranquilo could be code for lazy, and they get away with it by pointing across the river to Argentina" has started to get more weight this week. 1762145;1514843823;BingoBoingo;brb, sobertime 1762146;1514843906;ben_vulpes;in other words meaning things news, california is aiming to allow its subjects to voluntarily donate to a state charity and have that count as a credit towards the tax bill in order to preserve its deductibility at the federal level 1762147;1514856957;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/happy-mew-years/ << Trilema - Happy Mew Year's! 1762148;1514858670;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762101 << beatles is too pop anyway!!! 1762149;1514858670;a111;Logged on 2018-01-01 20:26 ben_vulpes: well now i'm listening to the beatles because a raffi cover of octopus' garden came on and i'd rather listen to the beatles and totally not 'cause y'all are a bunch of judgemental terrorists 1762150;1514858821;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i don't get it, if you spent 2319 usd how can oooh i see, tangibles. so you had ~.51 worth of bitcoin is fiatola and ended with .2 worth of bitcoin in fiatola. 1762151;1514858833;mircea_popescu;this seems right. 1762152;1514858899;*;mircea_popescu is very fucking happy to see other people can apparently secrete these wonders, i was starting to suspect http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761935 issues. 1762153;1514858899;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 17:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu loox almost like an earthling man in this one 1762154;1514858994;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762111 << it'll evidently need moar money to actually buy machines ; as uruguay is not specifically known as a center of iron production the machines will have to be shipped in anyway. so practically speaking, customer that is lazy/unconnected can definitely have machine produced for him, but if one's atop the game shipping his own iron hurts nothing. 1762155;1514858994;a111;Logged on 2018-01-01 21:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: will the ISP be providing machines to rent, or are all customers expected to ship their own? 1762156;1514859062;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762122 << it shall be fair! 1762157;1514859062;a111;Logged on 2018-01-01 21:26 trinque: sure, just trying to get you to answer the questions that people will have before wanting to sign on the line. 1762158;1514859075;mircea_popescu;at the time, pretty much the only possible firm answer. 1762159;1514859197;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762125 << ca apa sfiintita, nici tocmeste, nici nu strica. 1762160;1514859197;a111;Logged on 2018-01-01 21:32 diana_coman: and if it gets to praying stage.... 1762161;1514859345;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762131 << ro is very streamlined, from memory specialist accountat/lawyer will get everything together in about a week ; in the us the ~same service (well not really, but anyway) is available online even, takes maybe a coupla weeks till the secretary of state of X (delaware amirite) "signs" the whatevers. im guessing if he finally got everything packaged with local accountant mid dec that ea 1762162;1514859345;a111;Logged on 2018-01-01 21:38 diana_coman: I thought you had found the needed local person for it after some fumbling or did I get that part wrong? 1762163;1514859345;mircea_popescu;rly/mid jan it should be coming out the other end, seals & decorations applied. 1762164;1514859368;mircea_popescu;xmas-newyear combo in latin lands is at least 10 days worth of hole, they gotta firework these people. 1762165;1514859425;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762138 << wtf no, why would you involve the idiot empire in all this. 1762166;1514859425;a111;Logged on 2018-01-01 21:42 trinque: granted relying on external banking permanently is not ideal 1762167;1514859503;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762146 << basically california is fucked. 1762168;1514859503;a111;Logged on 2018-01-01 21:58 ben_vulpes: in other words meaning things news, california is aiming to allow its subjects to voluntarily donate to a state charity and have that count as a credit towards the tax bill in order to preserve its deductibility at the federal level 1762169;1514859514;mircea_popescu;then again illinois has been fucked for a long time. 1762170;1514859652;trinque;how is "local bank" not idiot empire. 1762171;1514859687;mircea_popescu;soberania! 1762172;1514859721;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758552 and all that. 1762173;1514859721;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 19:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them 1762174;1514860007;trinque;wasn't a long-term proposal, thought the guy was blocked on paying somebody. I'm sure BingoBoingo's moving things along. 1762175;1514860248;mircea_popescu;ah 1762176;1514860255;mircea_popescu;well no, he still has what's left of a pile of cash 1762177;1514860414;mircea_popescu;!!up BigTexasBingo 1762178;1514860415;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. 1762179;1514860420;mircea_popescu;heh is that a googlephone ? 1762180;1514860443;BigTexasBingo;It is, for checking news on the throne 1762181;1514860497;BigTexasBingo;And I decided fuck it, time to learn some Portuguese. Apparently the Brasileras don't stick around all year 1762182;1514860507;mircea_popescu;!!up chrono 1762183;1514860507;deedbot;chrono voiced for 30 minutes. 1762184;1514860600;BigTexasBingo;Glad the spending tangibles thing was intelligible. 1762185;1514863301;ben_vulpes;!!up revnja 1762186;1514863301;deedbot;revnja voiced for 30 minutes. 1762187;1514863324;ben_vulpes;who are you, revnja ? 1762188;1514863375;ben_vulpes;reads like "rev-en-ja", or "revenger" from here but that can't be right 1762189;1514864319;revnja;i'm a guy that registered an rsa key with deedbot but for the life of me cannot get it to provide a challenge for voice 1762190;1514864488;revnja;thanks for voicing me so i can inquire as to such 1762191;1514864741;trinque;so inquire. 1762192;1514864813;revnja;i have an RSA key registered, querying it with !!up doesn't provide me a challenge, deedbot just tells me I cannot !!up myself. 1762193;1514864854;revnja;so my inquiry is what syntax do I need to utilize for the bot to voice me? 1762194;1514864891;trinque;!!reputation revnja 1762195;1514864892;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8dUV4/?raw=true 1762196;1514864911;trinque;!!rate revnja 1 new blood 1762197;1514864913;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/c9WyE/?raw=true 1762198;1514864940;trinque;!!v A854FA470A3A48A4104A089B152B131B10C950164F712A3FF16D9146307DC4C7 1762199;1514864940;deedbot;trinque rated revnja 1 << new blood 1762200;1514864952;trinque;revnja: you will now be able to self-voice. make good use of it. 1762201;1514864977;revnja;thank you kindly 1762202;1514864992;trinque;sure. introduce yourself 1762203;1514865216;trinque;wd 1762204;1514865240;revnja;i'm just a guy from alaska who found the website and the web of trust interesting 1762205;1514865274;ben_vulpes;revnja: which website? 1762206;1514865306;revnja;http://trilema.com/ and the deedbot/WoT site 1762207;1514865349;ben_vulpes;myup that is 'the website' alrighty 1762208;1514865358;revnja;one of many 1762209;1514865374;esthlos;!!up 1762210;1514865376;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QhvdW/?raw=true 1762211;1514865377;esthlos;whoops 1762212;1514865389;*;ben_vulpes discovered today that airpark hangars are not quite as dry as i'd expected 1762213;1514865396;esthlos;http://notes.esthlos.com/notes/2018-01-01-ultima-ratio-regum.txt << an offering 1762214;1514865587;ben_vulpes;dunno that i buy it, esthlos, the misery of enemies and the pleasure of their women is historically a pretty strong motivator 1762215;1514865814;esthlos;ben_vulpes: I don't claim that people actually acted for the benefit of their lineage, but that they understood that they should 1762216;1514865868;esthlos;as in, it's the only sane solution 1762217;1514865960;ben_vulpes;why is it sane to stay in the drafty and mouldering ruin your family left and insane to go abroad plundering? 1762218;1514866029;esthlos;what's insane is to do it all for yourself. plundering is fine 1762219;1514866107;ben_vulpes;why is it insane to not waste the resources on the quite likely -ev project of progeny? 1762220;1514866324;esthlos;-ev ? 1762221;1514866648;ben_vulpes;negative expected value 1762222;1514869207;mircea_popescu;!!rated revnja 1762223;1514869207;deedbot;mircea_popescu has not rated revnja. 1762224;1514869213;mircea_popescu;!!reputation revnja 1762225;1514869214;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/G5aPc/?raw=true 1762226;1514869779;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762207 << muahahahaha! 1762227;1514869779;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 03:55 ben_vulpes: myup that is 'the website' alrighty 1762228;1514869853;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762213 << did you write it ? 1762229;1514869853;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 03:56 esthlos: http://notes.esthlos.com/notes/2018-01-01-ultima-ratio-regum.txt << an offering 1762230;1514870000;mircea_popescu;!#s westphalia 1762231;1514870000;a111;5 results for "westphalia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=westphalia 1762232;1514870064;mircea_popescu;ah, nm, it was apparently in http://trilema.com/2016/cia-factbook-the-most-serene-republic/#footnote_2_68314 1762233;1514870355;mircea_popescu;anyway, i had no idea anyone actually read bobbitt. for the sake of likbezing -- the last gasp of the western academic tradition (rip 1999, "bologna declaration") was this pile of cvasi-blog publications, trying to bring together what (scant) was left of scholarly knowledge and the limited forms of public consumption still vaguely functional. they're rather immediately evident for their structure, reference tree, even the tit 1762234;1514870355;mircea_popescu;ular conventions ("simple english" titles that admit a direct and somewhat meaningful interpretation while also referencing literary cannon, generally layeredly [there's both a modern poem as well as an item of that name in the instant case]), but not universally terrible. 1762235;1514870410;mircea_popescu;the most positive light to shine upon political hacks such as curtis yarvin would be that they "continue" this decay. 1762236;1514870489;mircea_popescu;the whole thing is basically "hey, middle earth worked for the oxford gang, nothing else worked in the post-war period, might as well apply it. what choice do we have ?" 1762237;1514870822;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762219 << his obvious counter is thart it's insane to arrange things such that progeny would come -ev. 1762238;1514870822;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 04:08 ben_vulpes: why is it insane to not waste the resources on the quite likely -ev project of progeny? 1762239;1514870900;mircea_popescu;(this is mostly needed for the illusion of the female state to be maintained -- you can bet your sweet ass, literally speaking, that if there's money to be made in childbearing there's no "right of choice", nor does "no means yes, yes means yes, anal means we'll burn you at the stake" need any stating for how obvious it is) 1762240;1514871176;ben_vulpes;tangentially related, i was browsing the pantsuit history of victory in eradication of child labor just last night! 1762241;1514871234;ben_vulpes;but afaik you are correct in that the formulation hasta be "if you can't raise them as a +ev proposition, you didn't have any business doing it in the first place" and just like everything else of +/- ev in this world, there is only one way to know if you can pull it off 1762242;1514871395;mircea_popescu;ahaha child labour was erradicated ? 1762243;1514871422;mircea_popescu;when the fuck did that happen. or rather, WHERE ? same alt-universe where "isis was defeated ; war in afghanistan won ; war on drugs victories" etcetera i expect ? 1762244;1514871462;mircea_popescu;for the record -- it's deeply idiotic to try and prevent children from working. about as stupid as trying to prevent them from fucking adults, actually. 1762245;1514871498;mircea_popescu;human culture is entirely dependent on these transmission processes, if you don't work & fuck the kids they'll exterminate you when they come of age, and for the proper reason : you're little more than a bug to them. 1762246;1514872204;ben_vulpes;soi-disant victory i shoulda said 1762247;1514872229;ben_vulpes;because "not done in usa, and we don't shop at target because child slavery!" 1762248;1514872236;ben_vulpes;this is victory, ysee 1762249;1514872544;mircea_popescu;of course it's done in usa, are you kidding me ? 1762250;1514872568;mircea_popescu;go to montgomery. leave tonight, can have 13 yo prostitute sucking you off with her friend before sun goes down on the horizon again 1762251;1514872587;mircea_popescu;o wait, alabama not in usatoday, i forgot a little. 1762252;1514872611;mircea_popescu;good thing same exact thing's not entirely just as true in southern cali or the outskirts of seattle then. 1762253;1514872625;ben_vulpes;look i'm not saying that this is so, merely that it is claimed to be so. 1762254;1514872658;ben_vulpes;what you think i don't shop at target because some confusion of hairshirt ethics and economics? no, they sell plastic trash, that's why i don't. 1762255;1514872783;mircea_popescu;i thjought white guys shop at the gap 1762256;1514872848;ben_vulpes;gap, cocoa-cola, banana republic, pepsi, target, nordstrom, macys, ford, chevrolet... 1762257;1514872883;ben_vulpes;just statsheet yrself up a personality, the kit even comes with stamps and an ink pad! 1762258;1514873051;mircea_popescu;i thought nordstrom is for like, blond girls that play volleyball 1762259;1514873062;revnja;mmm cocoa-cola 1762260;1514873223;ben_vulpes;well and the aspirational bank tellers the poor dears hafta teach how to dress 1762261;1514873312;mircea_popescu;btw, shouldn't chocolate be illegal in the us ? 1762262;1514873324;mircea_popescu;it's kinda like a drug... 1762263;1514873431;ben_vulpes;no need, real chocolate is prohibitively expensive for more folks than cocaine 1762264;1514873483;ben_vulpes;portion sizes shrinking daily, new ersatz showing up on shelves daily, styled as healthy and pandering to lord only knows what delusions 1762265;1514873499;ben_vulpes;you know what's surprisingly legal? marketing something as chocolate with no milk in it 1762266;1514873549;trinque;give 'em legal weed and they'll eat anything 1762267;1514873573;revnja;i live in a legal state -- confirmed 1762268;1514873576;mircea_popescu;now this is a point 1762269;1514873586;mircea_popescu;best thing for all the sysco outlets out there, legal pot. 1762270;1514873596;trinque;^ 1762271;1514873617;mircea_popescu;heck, if they had any sense they'd offer it free in the waiting areas. 1762272;1514873640;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean you're not hungry, and even if you were you wouldn't eat the shit we peddle ?!? here, have a bowl!" 1762273;1514873772;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ftr most chocolate i eat has no milk in it. amargo, it's a thing. 1762274;1514873964;ben_vulpes;all cocoa solids or what all is in it 1762275;1514874224;mircea_popescu;basically you use cocoa butter instead of milk fat for emulsification 1762276;1514874382;mircea_popescu;anyway, hershey, nestle and the rest of the scum have been lobbying to be permitted to replace the milk fat with margerine for what, decades now. 1762277;1514874542;ben_vulpes;no lobbying necessary it turns out, just make 'chocolate' for vegans, call it 'chocolate' and them 'vegans' instead of 'poor and deluded' 1762278;1514874708;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/in-which-naranjo-is-a-place-and-other-things/ << Trilema - In which Naranjo is a place and other things 1762279;1514881072;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q4/danielpbarron.txt 1762280;1514881074;deedbot;accepted: 1 1762281;1514881078;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q4/diana_coman.txt 1762282;1514881080;deedbot;accepted: 1 1762283;1514881093;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q4/hanbot.txt 1762284;1514881096;deedbot;accepted: 1 1762285;1514881103;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q4/mircea_popescu.txt 1762286;1514881107;deedbot;accepted: 1 1762287;1514884852;diana_coman;my invoice seems to be for 1 according to deedbot instead of the correct 7660ecu i.e. 0.00000766; lobbes can you check that? 1762288;1514884926;diana_coman;oh, lobbes never mind, it didn't yet get through it seems and I was seeing a stale invoice instead, will wait 1762289;1514886217;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762161 <- ugh, I'd never have described ro as streamlined; I get what you mean though and at least the holidays certainly froze everything over there 1762290;1514886217;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 02:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762131 << ro is very streamlined, from memory specialist accountat/lawyer will get everything together in about a week ; in the us the ~same service (well not really, but anyway) is available online even, takes maybe a coupla weeks till the secretary of state of X (delaware amirite) "signs" the whatevers. im guessing if he finally got everything packaged with local accountant mid dec that ea 1762291;1514905764;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762265 << troo chocolate contains 0 milk 1762292;1514905764;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 06:11 ben_vulpes: you know what's surprisingly legal? marketing something as chocolate with no milk in it 1762293;1514906471;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762276 << already iirc happened. but nobody with any options ate americhocolate before, and nobody now. 1762294;1514906471;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 06:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, hershey, nestle and the rest of the scum have been lobbying to be permitted to replace the milk fat with margerine for what, decades now. 1762295;1514906529;asciilifeform;in other heathen lulz, http://archive.is/QmV5G >> 'there is presently an embargoed security bug impacting apparently all contemporary CPU architectures that implement virtual memory, requiring hardware changes to fully resolve' 1762296;1514906587;asciilifeform;( massive multilayered disinfo shitsandwich , for expert entomologists strictly. ) 1762297;1514906590;asciilifeform;!#s tv raft 1762298;1514906591;a111;12 results for "tv raft", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tv%20raft 1762299;1514906673;asciilifeform;linked strictly for the responsibledisclosurism cancer implicit in any such embargo. 1762300;1514906820;mircea_popescu;heh 1762301;1514906880;asciilifeform;it isn't even clear to me how linus -- supposing that he participates in the coverups -- differs from e.g. florian weimer et al 1762302;1514906932;asciilifeform;selective disclosure of 0days to benefit empire -- same as any other wetwork for empire 1762303;1514907120;mircea_popescu;generally, it's powered by "eu sunt mic nu stiu nimic" ie selective disavowal of existence, identity and a notion of self in the cucks. 1762304;1514907130;BingoBoingo; rly/mid jan it should be coming out the other end, seals & decorations applied. << This is a comfort 1762305;1514907146;mircea_popescu;which, for the record, is the fundamental feminine device, so much so as to mark a psyche for femaleness in the exact manner cunts mark a body for femaleness 1762306;1514907148;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/kAJen << positive confirmation of linus involvement 1762307;1514907157;mircea_popescu;it is after all both the normal and the intended survival device for historical women 1762308;1514907209;mircea_popescu;and also why the pretense that rape "hurts" the woman somehow ~entirely rests on the pretense that the linus behaviour "doesn't exist", which is part and parcel of empire trying to hijack it for its own ends. 1762309;1514907224;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: << 'eu sunt mic, nu stiu nimic' << ~= 'моя хата с краю ничего не знаю' ? 1762310;1514907232;asciilifeform;( in meaning, not word for word ) 1762311;1514907238;mircea_popescu;ie, if "eu sunt mic nu stiu nimic" ISNT specifically female and in general a mark of inferiority, but rather "unspeakable" and therefore universal, well heck, vote hillary! 1762312;1514907247;BingoBoingo; well no, he still has what's left of a pile of cash << The pile is sufficient for just about everything except renting the rack. 1762313;1514907397;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite exactly 1762314;1514907407;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu is very fucking happy to see other people can apparently secrete these wonders, i was starting to suspect http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761935 issues. << It took substantial reading, and re-reading. For the definition of cash used in the standard... There is simply no way USD counts as cash 1762315;1514907407;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 17:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu loox almost like an earthling man in this one 1762316;1514907461;asciilifeform;'With the page table splitting patches merged, it becomes necessary for the kernel to flush these caches every time the kernel begins executing, and every time user code resumes executing. For some workloads, the effective total loss of the TLB lead around every system call leads to highly visible slowdowns: @grsecurity measured a simple case where Linux “du -s” suffered a 50% slowdown on a 1762317;1514907467;asciilifeform;recent AMD CPU.' 1762318;1514907469;asciilifeform;^ bonus lul 1762319;1514907506;asciilifeform;remember when caches were made 80+% of die space because 'makes things faster' ? 1762320;1514907515;BingoBoingo; i thought nordstrom is for like, blond girls that play volleyball << Nordstrom is alt-walmart for babushkas that imagine themselves "rich" 1762321;1514907571;BingoBoingo; best thing for all the sysco outlets out there, legal pot. << Other back on mind worry is that perhaps the legal pot thing is slowing down the population here 1762322;1514907585;mircea_popescu;anyway. the attempted de-speakabilization of the item previously discussed as "spread your legs and think of the empire" would pretty much be the ~only "cultural contribution" of the new wannabe angloempire over the old one. 1762323;1514907949;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1762324;1514907953;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13681.37, vol: 10706.72692343 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13651.0, vol: 34796.83280491 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13770.6, vol: 2507.7245169 | Volume-weighted last average: 13664.0195882 1762325;1514908029;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762316 << Perhaps in March after more crashing, S.NSA can fab a MIPs board not too uncompetitive with the "patched" AMD/Intelium 1762326;1514908029;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 15:37 asciilifeform: 'With the page table splitting patches merged, it becomes necessary for the kernel to flush these caches every time the kernel begins executing, and every time user code resumes executing. For some workloads, the effective total loss of the TLB lead around every system call leads to highly visible slowdowns: @grsecurity measured a simple case where Linux “du -s” suffered a 50% slowdown on a 1762327;1514908043;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: out of what ? 1762328;1514908054;mircea_popescu;what are you the engineer for! 1762329;1514908060;mircea_popescu;come up with a way to use up stale bread. 1762330;1514908060;BingoBoingo;Out of more USD crashing! 1762331;1514908112;asciilifeform;i half suspect crapple already uses stalebread, lol 1762332;1514908118;mircea_popescu;heh 1762333;1514908123;asciilifeform;going by the way their iron worx 1762334;1514908151;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, "revelations" may well mean "current cpus do not support multi-process software" 1762335;1514908168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was hammer-in-face obvious after the ~original~ rowhammer demo 1762336;1514908185;asciilifeform;but , to borrow mircea_popescu's formulation, 'unspeakabled' 1762337;1514908213;mircea_popescu;but the similarities with http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-18#1278730 ftr 1762338;1514908213;a111;Logged on 2015-09-18 18:49 kakobrekla: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/business/volkswagen-is-ordered-to-recall-nearly-500000-vehicles-over-emissions-software.html?_r=0 1762339;1514908220;mircea_popescu;"install this new kernel to make your computer slower" 1762340;1514908223;asciilifeform;exactly same item 1762341;1514908240;asciilifeform;and massive gravy for e.g. usg hardware suppliers 1762342;1514908255;asciilifeform;'good noose, they'll need 10x the boxes to serve same # of cloudzeks' 1762343;1514908280;mircea_popescu;funny bit being that i recall some "not serious" guy explaining this is exactly how empire will decay. empire was liek "oh, our conversation dun need to include that!" 1762344;1514908285;mircea_popescu;well... indeed. dun have to. 1762345;1514908287;BingoBoingo;Y entonces una chica de China has an application. 1762346;1514908355;BingoBoingo;Find fab that has 14-22 nm process, make simple multicore MIPS and a MUSL'd cuntoo for it 1762347;1514908548;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you wanted to do this for real, vs. gabriel_laddelization, cost is roughly comparable to a moon flight. 1762348;1514908554;asciilifeform;(in turkeydollar.) 1762349;1514908620;*;BingoBoingo doubts ASICminer spent moonflight in 2013 1762350;1514908655;mircea_popescu;yes well you'll have to put in more than hashers. 1762351;1514908739;asciilifeform;ru, for instance, pointedly ~did~ gabriel_laddelize the elbrus. 1762352;1514908753;asciilifeform;( see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620477 & elsewhere ) 1762353;1514908753;a111;Logged on 2017-03-01 14:29 asciilifeform: actually this is a mega-snoar, looks like the makers used 100% western toolchain, even macrocells 1762354;1514908919;BingoBoingo;Well, can the 1980's or schoolbook toolchain be used, but for smaller fab process. 1762355;1514908957;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: '1980s toolchain' was a room full of d00dz with black electrical tape. 1762356;1514908978;BingoBoingo;So it can be used 1762357;1514909021;BingoBoingo;Senor Vulpes y Senor Dushenski tienen ninos 1762358;1514909035;asciilifeform;if you have the requisite number of d00dz , the +ev strategy is to issue rifles and go and take by the sword. 1762359;1514909038;asciilifeform;not masking tape. 1762360;1514909110;mircea_popescu;this is a dubious point even if we leave aside its factuality. 1762361;1514909128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does that work ? 1762362;1514909134;mircea_popescu;"different skillsets" are needed for either approach, which is a polite way of saying that your doods have no ballsacs. 1762363;1514909156;mircea_popescu;they were blinded at birth by their despicable mothers. 1762364;1514909156;asciilifeform;the mega-discovery of the 2000s is that the folx with 0ballsack cannot be used ~for anything~ 1762365;1514909161;asciilifeform;not for chip layout, not for floor sweeping. 1762366;1514909170;asciilifeform;not only not-for-soldiering. 1762367;1514909176;mircea_popescu;well yes, but in the meanwhile some "uses" are less evidently wasteful than others. 1762368;1514909187;BingoBoingo;Un poquito relatit... Many of the streets here are named after dates on the calendar. Routinely the dates mark military victories against the empires won by anywhere from a dozen to three dozen men and their assembled serfs 1762369;1514909206;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and which as a general rule were no kiond of victories. 1762370;1514909208;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dunno, they can just as readily plug embrasures as anybody 1762371;1514909221;mircea_popescu;eg, argentina celebrates the day of its defeat in the faulklands as "victory over whatever" day. 1762372;1514909247;mircea_popescu;i've no doubt soon the day the ocean ate their sub "manned by very competent idiots in our own estimation" will get similar treatment, "day of victory over the marine element" 1762373;1514909273;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the products of modern woman can not plug anything, because "what if there's a better use of their priceless person later on" 1762374;1514909291;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah, it is a mix. The Uruguayos did defeat the Brits to retake Montevideo. But against the second Brazilian emperor... 1762375;1514909306;mircea_popescu;practically speaking, washing the cunt off your eyes today means "getting rid of precious cuntled syndrome at some point before senescence" 1762376;1514909341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no 'what-ifs', заградотряд with mg at their back 1762377;1514909350;mircea_popescu;used to be easier when all it took was water which could be applied at birth. 1762378;1514909354;asciilifeform;'it takes a brave man to be a coward in red army' (tm)(r) 1762379;1514909357;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile the secretions got thicker and stickier. 1762380;1514909382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have no doubt that red army is exactly what happened to the jews in warsaw. 1762381;1514909392;asciilifeform;at which end 1762382;1514909395;mircea_popescu;they -- more advanced on path to ustardianism than cossacks. 1762383;1514909403;mircea_popescu;so no jew army resulted, just pile of bodies. 1762384;1514909418;mircea_popescu;similarily if you went with machine guns into campus of your choice, the output will be pile of bodies, not red army. 1762385;1514909434;mircea_popescu;need a certain sort of rural for that to work, for the exact reason that "used to be easier when all it took was water which could be applied at birth." 1762386;1514909464;mircea_popescu;ie, no dumb cunt had the opportunity to tell rando mirvnik that "you baby are precious and bla bla bla". 1762387;1514909478;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has a quite selective reading of the warsaw incident. 1000+ of the warsaw pile -- were german 1762388;1514909514;mircea_popescu;the заградотряд process doth not promise 0 losses among the guards ; merely ~manageable~ (as opposed to womanageable) losses. 1762389;1514909524;mircea_popescu;even milling will wear down the knives a little. 1762390;1514909541;BingoBoingo;Very lulzy are the Lopez regimes in nearby Paraguay 1762391;1514909544;asciilifeform;( and most of the remainder -- the old, the female, the diseased, the zeks who did 0 soldiering, attempted or otherwise ) 1762392;1514909565;mircea_popescu;eh. it was a complete country, what. 1762393;1514909573;asciilifeform;warsaw ghetto?! 1762394;1514909576;mircea_popescu;not like all the men were away threshing in lusitania. 1762395;1514909577;mircea_popescu;yes. 1762396;1514909595;asciilifeform;it was a remainder from the j00z not yet nailed elsewhere 1762397;1514909606;mircea_popescu;that's too meta for this conversation. 1762398;1514909610;asciilifeform;that's the key, them folx were never 'complete country' 1762399;1514909625;mircea_popescu;you confuse country and state. 1762400;1514909632;mircea_popescu;the jews weren't a state ; but very much country. 1762401;1514909642;mircea_popescu;much like the aztecs were a complete country when the spanish state showed up. 1762402;1514909664;asciilifeform;evidently not complete 1762403;1514909674;mircea_popescu;that's not how that works. 1762404;1514909682;asciilifeform;just as mouse without white cells ain't complete mouse. 1762405;1514909683;mircea_popescu;you being lazy doesn't mean "evidently i'm not complete body" 1762406;1514909704;asciilifeform;if so lazy that won't bother to 'dip them' -- then yes, not complete 1762407;1514909709;mircea_popescu;not true. 1762408;1514909717;mircea_popescu;this is tulpa talk, no more,. 1762409;1514909754;asciilifeform;i had nfi this was controversial. folx 'so lazy' that won't feed selves -- end up today typically in nuthouse 1762410;1514909760;mircea_popescu;physiology is no criteria upon anatomy. that your arm "dun work" especially in the "as well as neighbour's" flavour is very strictly no proof of "broken arm". 1762411;1514909766;mircea_popescu;it works if you work it, now gert to work. 1762412;1514909770;asciilifeform;and what's the formula for who -- in nuthouse, and who -- not ? 'subclinical' vs 'clinical' neh 1762413;1514909779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what mom does with them is of no interest./ 1762414;1514909793;mircea_popescu;men too lazy to feed self are still complete, and still SHOULD feed self. 1762415;1514909811;asciilifeform;what in mircea_popescu's pov ~is~ 'lazy' 1762416;1514909817;asciilifeform;what's it made of ? 1762417;1514909822;mircea_popescu;that your arm "dun work" especially in the "as well as neighbour's" flavour < 1762418;1514909828;asciilifeform;( can a horse be lazy ? mule ? ) 1762419;1514909831;mircea_popescu;whenever you are outperformed, you were lazy. 1762420;1514909834;mircea_popescu;this is definitional. 1762421;1514909846;mircea_popescu;the slowest horse in a pack of horses is the laziest horse in the pack of horses. 1762422;1514909875;mircea_popescu;you know what a lazy eye is ? same exact fucking principle -- moves slower than its brother, =lazy. 1762423;1514909887;asciilifeform;if you apply this insight literally, you end up with 0 horses in yer cart, rather than an infinitely fast set 1762424;1514909898;asciilifeform;( shoot the slowest one every morning... ) 1762425;1514909902;mircea_popescu;watch me give a shit. 1762426;1514909925;asciilifeform;i suppose you can propell yer charior with farts of not-giving-a-shit then 1762427;1514909932;asciilifeform;*chariot 1762428;1514909933;mircea_popescu;"oh, what'll the teacher do, if he flunks all of us he can't be a teacher anymore, he needs us" 1762429;1514909937;mircea_popescu;dude... what is this, jr high ? 1762430;1514909976;asciilifeform;it happened tho. teacher -- took his chalkboard and went home, to drink 1762431;1514909984;mircea_popescu;if only. 1762432;1514909986;asciilifeform;just didn't turn out to be the valhalla the f-students imagined. 1762433;1514909992;asciilifeform;because in his place, new 'teacher'. 1762434;1514910018;mircea_popescu;well, either that or married what's her name and had portmanteau kiddos with her. 1762435;1514910055;mircea_popescu;(latter brin's children are called "wojin", if you can imagine that.) 1762436;1514910074;asciilifeform;waiwaaat 1762437;1514910080;mircea_popescu;you recall brin the elder ? 1762438;1514910082;mircea_popescu;he had a son. 1762439;1514910084;asciilifeform;aha 1762440;1514910085;mircea_popescu;this son married. 1762441;1514910096;mircea_popescu;they had children. 1762442;1514910105;mircea_popescu;the children were not named so and so brin ; but so and so wojin. 1762443;1514910114;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha 1762444;1514910117;*;asciilifeform slept through this 1762445;1514910121;asciilifeform;this is hilarious 1762446;1514910136;asciilifeform;can you picture rockefeller kid named whateverjin ? 1762447;1514910163;mircea_popescu;daca doriti sa revedeti : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761912 1762448;1514910163;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 17:18 mircea_popescu: the woj chickies ? kinda remind me of http://trilema.com/2012/test-de-curvidentificare-vizuala/ 1762449;1514910176;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the TRULY AMUSING part being that those, also russian immigrants! 1762450;1514910198;asciilifeform;sadoveanu?! 1762451;1514910405;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1762452;1514910414;asciilifeform;which 'those' 1762453;1514910416;asciilifeform;i dunget 1762454;1514910441;mircea_popescu;o wait, rockefeller were protestants not jews huh 1762455;1514910443;mircea_popescu;nm 1762456;1514910503;mircea_popescu;j p rockefeller, rhineland miner, the german rather than the russian parentage of "american" 1762457;1514910545;asciilifeform;aha 1762458;1514910557;asciilifeform;the backbone of the americans 1762459;1514910594;mircea_popescu;notice that the hitler-stalin pact actually made a lot more sense historically than the two nuts realised. 1762460;1514910597;asciilifeform;( per mircea_popescu's old piece, 'the men who ought to have been crewing german freighters, were instead in philadelphia, unloading american ones' or how did it go ) 1762461;1514910600;mircea_popescu;"it worked well in north america..." 1762462;1514910614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just about. 1762463;1514910723;mircea_popescu;so now to answer the orig. question : this miner from the french german lands was no particular religious fellow. his wife however -- was. 1762464;1514910747;mircea_popescu;so, yes. i can very much picture rockefeller kids named whateverjin, but in the sense meaningful cca 1817 rather than in the 2017 sense. 1762465;1514910751;mircea_popescu;in point of fact -- they were. 1762466;1514910823;mircea_popescu;cuckoldry in the americas has not perceptibly changed, i suspect it's driven by the very land. same exact item as before euros showed up, really. 1762467;1514911075;asciilifeform;where on planet3 is the wholesome, noncuckoldating land ? 1762468;1514911084;asciilifeform;buried under ice in antarctica ? 1762469;1514911181;mircea_popescu;consider one point -- russians, romanians, germans all went "la america" in the 1800s. the russians and germans -- stayed. the romanians -- returned. 1762470;1514911228;mircea_popescu;i will readily grant that the "russians" ~only stayed because actually, they were jews. 1762471;1514911232;asciilifeform;i have nfi why returned 1762472;1514911236;asciilifeform;and why stayed 1762473;1514911241;mircea_popescu;the sad counter to thyis is to observe that the actual russians -- too dumb to even go. 1762474;1514911251;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm proposing a heuristic here, no moar. 1762475;1514911361;mircea_popescu;the ~other~ available heuristic, likely weaker but reaching further into the past, is to observe that the moor ~strangles~ desdemona, doesn't raise her princess little venetian-aspirant daugthers. 1762476;1514911365;asciilifeform;the traditional picture is that folx went for land. and it ain't as if you can bring it back to old europistan. 1762477;1514911384;asciilifeform;gold , yes, can bring ( tho witness what happened when spain brought. ) land - nope 1762478;1514911436;mircea_popescu;but does land come with women ? is this a construct, landwomen, upon which to find a place for yourself ? or does land come without anything or anymore, and is woman another sort of cow for you to work upon it ? 1762479;1514911487;asciilifeform;i'ma guess that in mircea_popescu cosmography , well-oiled, early rome was sabine-powered; later - 'cow'-powered ? 1762480;1514911499;mircea_popescu;because that's the fundamental difference across the northern ocean -- left, landwoman, right, cowoman. 1762481;1514911545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the greek world was mostly "land, cowoman separate". the early roman world similarily, but consider : the roman law knew two (principal, we'll omit the half dozen or so special, patrician only, priesthood styles) kinds of marriage : 1762482;1514911552;mircea_popescu;in the hand, and out of the hand. 1762483;1514911560;asciilifeform;aha i recall this 1762484;1514911593;mircea_popescu;marrying into the hand of the husband signified that the woman became his property, like any other slave (with some exceptions, such as can't be given in lieu of the damage like common slave), and was achieved through continuous cohabitation (one year with no break longer than two days) 1762485;1514911614;mircea_popescu;out of the hand signified that the woman remained (no dude, no fucking free agent women, wtf is this) the property of her father. 1762486;1514911629;mircea_popescu;there were some special rituals for this. 1762487;1514911641;mircea_popescu;now, which was prevalent in antiquity and decayed over time, and which grew over time and was prevalent by the late republic ? 1762488;1514911674;asciilifeform;not mega-prize puzzle, is it 1762489;1514911707;mircea_popescu;so then. as the demographic pressure increases, the conceptualization (the MALE conceptualization, as the only kind there is) of the environment switches from land, cowoman separate to landwoman. 1762490;1514911735;mircea_popescu;the latter is also known as "how cucks see the world" 1762491;1514911764;mircea_popescu;consider this major point : in ancient greece, people were depicted with small penii ; large ones were considered bestial, comedic and insulting. 1762492;1514911772;mircea_popescu;today -- opposite. 1762493;1514911817;mircea_popescu;do you see the logic of "well -- if landwoman better perform, lest it finds a better performer ?", aka trilema's "wtf, ~I~ should work to entertain the slaves ?!" 1762494;1514911936;mircea_popescu;and let's breadcrumb http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571682 as it's quite apropos. 1762495;1514911936;a111;Logged on 2016-11-20 23:49 mircea_popescu: all through this seeking my approval in the sense of trying to verify if im all that impressed. i... wasn't fucking impressed, because why the fuck would i be impressed with the male nurse. 1762496;1514911952;asciilifeform;the related observation is re classical slavery in every possible sense milder fate than wage-slavery, for same reason 1762497;1514911977;asciilifeform;the real joke on the equalistas -- they created auschwitz. 1762498;1514911983;mircea_popescu;well, the arrangement is psychoting in many numerous ways, what the hell, forcing any given female into "venus genetrix" matrix is going to hurt. 1762499;1514912038;mircea_popescu;this isn't a discussion about how "delilah cut some hair and sold it at the market becoming rich and happy". the fact of the matter is, they fucked each other over, and irrecoverably. 1762500;1514912077;mircea_popescu;sorta like the conversation in submarine, "why did you put grenade pin ?" "it was there to pull!" "but now we're all going to die" "sorry" 1762501;1514912322;asciilifeform;!#s spring ratchet 1762502;1514912322;a111;1 result for "spring ratchet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=spring%20ratchet 1762503;1514912357;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685518 << but originally on trilema and can't seem to excavate the concrete item 1762504;1514912357;a111;Logged on 2017-07-17 19:23 asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu himself had observation where 'not the fault of the spring, for being springy, if the ratchet broke' 1762505;1514912371;mircea_popescu;word. 1762506;1514912452;mircea_popescu;it's actually like a half dozen articles, including one with a screencap from "les veinards", girault screaming "TU L'AURAS VOULU!!!!!111" at clech 1762507;1514912530;mircea_popescu;(and it behooves me to point out that the antique arrangement is transparently evident in the domestic affairs of the french, (and slightly, somewhat, the italians) as late as the 60s.) 1762508;1514912603;mircea_popescu;(the matter is often specifically lampshaded -- yes the lady owns the land, but watch de funes interact with her in, say, hibernatus. yes the accountant is there for HER to sign the expense sheets, but "ou, selon vous, est votre grand pere!!!11") 1762509;1514913147;asciilifeform;in lulz re earlier x86 thread, https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/12/27/2 1762510;1514913179;*;asciilifeform has nfi whether claim is factual 1762511;1514913500;asciilifeform;re 'rowhammer', for some reason when i first found out about it, the immediate picture was ye olde legend re how zeks supposedly at least once overturned a train, from the inside, in a stolypin car , 'let's all heave-left' then 'right' etc 1762512;1514913518;asciilifeform;it isn't a physical impossibility, petrol trucks have overturned from 'slosh' effect 1762513;1514913524;asciilifeform;and ditto sailing ships in 18th c 1762514;1514913547;mircea_popescu;very much physical impossibility. 1762515;1514913556;mircea_popescu;petrol trucks have whiplash, mansacks do not. 1762516;1514913582;asciilifeform;and romans broke cadence on a bridge, why exactly 1762517;1514913608;mircea_popescu;if you study the dynamic equilibrium of liquid you notice first off that most kinetic energy is transferred to wobbly vessel at the peak ends not at the center of movement, and by the fringe liquid not the central mass 1762518;1514913615;mircea_popescu;clip those, you lose disproportionately in the effect. 1762519;1514913634;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that bridge was marginal ; train car is not marginal. 1762520;1514913642;asciilifeform;would depend on the car, neh 1762521;1514913647;asciilifeform;if it's already resonant -- can pump 1762522;1514913651;asciilifeform;like child's swing. 1762523;1514913659;mircea_popescu;no, because if train car was as marginal as bridge, you couldn't drive it with fucking grain. 1762524;1514913678;asciilifeform;consider the infamous 'galloping gertie' 1762525;1514913678;mircea_popescu;ie, one comes "not from a good life" unlike the other, so higher de facto standard baked in 1762526;1514913696;asciilifeform;train car is built to resist noncoherent bumps. not idjits pumping its resonance. 1762527;1514913714;asciilifeform;( and it is build nonresonant at the rail sleeper 'freq'. not arbitrary. ) 1762528;1514913722;asciilifeform;*built 1762529;1514913726;mircea_popescu;nah. train car that doesn't have major safety factor over resonance is taken out within first 10 miles. 1762530;1514913733;mircea_popescu;bridge that doesnt -- can sit undisturbed for century. 1762531;1514913755;asciilifeform;train that doesn't -- can also work undisturbed for century 1762532;1514913762;mircea_popescu;moreover, resonance is not exactly the problem here. whiplash, slightly different item 1762533;1514913773;asciilifeform;whiplash problem in petrol truck yea 1762534;1514913789;asciilifeform;in train, story went -- pumping. 1762535;1514913798;*;mircea_popescu does not believe. 1762536;1514913813;asciilifeform;i dun fully buy it, but unlike mircea_popescu would not categorically rule out. 1762537;1514913816;asciilifeform;orc tech does 'wonders'. 1762538;1514913836;mircea_popescu;i suppose they could have had a shitty curve for instance, train went off track half the time anyway, zek thought "button -- connected!" 1762539;1514913855;asciilifeform;for completeness i'll mention the denoument: 1762540;1514913859;asciilifeform;joke was on the zeks 1762541;1514913886;asciilifeform;in classical (stalin) su, the iron law was 'prison transport may not be opened outside of prison or courthouse grounds, for ANY reason' 1762542;1514913895;asciilifeform;not even if on fire and off the rails etc. 1762543;1514913896;mircea_popescu;so they left them i nthere 1762544;1514913899;asciilifeform;aha. 1762545;1514913902;asciilifeform;so goes the story. 1762546;1514913924;mircea_popescu;seems reasonable. "Dear zek, do your part in building of this great state as we define it". 1762547;1514913928;mircea_popescu;pretty republican outlook. 1762548;1514913929;asciilifeform;aha. 1762549;1514913938;asciilifeform;hence reprinted here. 1762550;1514913988;asciilifeform;( much has been written re other aspects, re 'no work, no eat' labour quotas in zekland etc. so i won't repeat. ) 1762551;1514914213;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762517 << this is too juicy to leave alone : you can actually rederive it from the child's experiment where you put a pingpong ball through the ceiling 1762552;1514914213;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 17:20 mircea_popescu: if you study the dynamic equilibrium of liquid you notice first off that most kinetic energy is transferred to wobbly vessel at the peak ends not at the center of movement, and by the fringe liquid not the central mass 1762553;1514914218;asciilifeform;( didja ever do that one ? ) 1762554;1514914228;mircea_popescu;nope. 1762555;1514914238;mircea_popescu;"in my country celing already had enough holes" 1762556;1514914242;asciilifeform;great experiment in gym 1762557;1514914247;asciilifeform;you find 3-4 types of ball 1762558;1514914261;asciilifeform;arrange large to small, bottom to top, and drop ( this is the tricky bit ) 1762559;1514914267;asciilifeform;momentum transfers... 1762560;1514914281;mircea_popescu;aha. 1762561;1514914308;asciilifeform;can embed in wooden ceiling quite easily. 1762562;1514914319;*;mircea_popescu spent a while in junior high getting girls to spin legs extended and then pull them in. "o noes!111" 1762563;1514914338;asciilifeform;lol 1762564;1514914364;asciilifeform;that was actually part of 'official' curriculum at asciilifeform's school 1762565;1514914370;mircea_popescu;in retrospect the whole fucking point of the "game" is evidently "take girl outside of her own safety margins as she herself imagines them" ie fundamental maturation step. 1762566;1514914376;mircea_popescu;but at the time it was just fun. 1762567;1514914379;asciilifeform;then again we had a 25 y.o. physics d00d . and i'd bet he was eventually sacked 1762568;1514914391;asciilifeform;he had various demos that would show gurlz were bottom-heavy 1762569;1514914412;mircea_popescu;lol 1762570;1514914473;asciilifeform;at any rate, the 'bulk of the liquid' ~= 'largest ball' 1762571;1514914479;mircea_popescu;~only 25yo male we had in the crew was ro lit dork, who refused to explain what "oftica" (= tuberculosis, but in ro folklore "disease of unfulfilled love") meant, and when pressed "you'll see in the army". 1762572;1514914497;asciilifeform;lol in english world was called 'pining away' 1762573;1514914501;mircea_popescu;right. 1762574;1514914515;asciilifeform;concretely in application to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760742 1762575;1514914515;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 16:01 asciilifeform: but moar like victorian typhoidal 'nedeflorena' or who was it 1762576;1514914516;mircea_popescu;50yo women much better at the... roman, shall we call it, approach to education. 1762577;1514914643;mircea_popescu;especially the tiny dop of a woman that took over when he was sacked (ie, next year), and who "ce pizda ma-sii!!!1" then noticing completely frozen/silent bunch of 13yo went "what, you never heard that before ?!" 1762578;1514914731;asciilifeform;чо пиздите lol 1762579;1514914783;mircea_popescu;lol 1762580;1514915232;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/tamara-drewe/ << Trilema - Tamara Drewe 1762581;1514915233;mircea_popescu;but talking of whiplash, https://media.8ch.net/file_store/0f9c7cae8d4b5c5891288651deadb8e0fc08abaecc5c92365fdda00b03b5c572.gif 1762582;1514917112;mircea_popescu;anyway, to revisit the upstack problem : the solution to rowhammer, 3.0 as 1.0, is not to "make kernel flush all the time, 50% performance penalty" nor the original "solutions" nor any of that crap. 1762583;1514917155;mircea_popescu;the correct solution is http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/ and so on, ie -- no multiuser box. yank "ssh", yank the rest of the empire-on-your-box crapola and ignore the "problem" that dun exist. 1762584;1514917188;mircea_popescu;what THEY are trying to solve, "how to perpetuate empire-on-your-box???" is not a problem that needs any solving. 1762585;1514917205;asciilifeform;and if you must build a public toilet ( i.e. box where allcomers get to affect the memory addressing sequence ) build it from sram. 1762586;1514917229;*;mircea_popescu thoroughly ignored "cloud" since the day it was invented. the fact that they failed to address this for a decade does not somehow enact a special sovereignity for them, and make cloud a thing. it is still not a thing, as it NEVER FUCKING WAS. hurr. 1762587;1514917264;mircea_popescu;and in fucking general -- idiot's failure to register with the republic "for a really long time" doth not somehow enact idiot into anything else, what the everloving fuck. 1762588;1514917289;asciilifeform;item aint strictly about 'clouds' tho, quite broad, includes errything from www browsers with scripting, to , potentially, trb's commandprocessor 1762589;1514917291;mircea_popescu;what next, "african proverb", what is this, the pantsuited hilarity radio show ? 1762590;1514917312;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes ; just picked a point at the core of the cloud of idiocy. 1762591;1514917320;asciilifeform;i.e. anywhere that an allcomer gets to make the thing branch, or affect an array index 1762592;1514917367;mircea_popescu;absolutely was not proposed that imperial idiocy is now "limited to cloud". no, imperial idiocy is imperial idiocy. 1762593;1514917396;asciilifeform;that particular idiocy isn't even new , existed more or less as-is in 1970s ('timesharing') 1762594;1514917417;mircea_popescu;nah, 1970s timesharing is an outgrowth of "zeks are not persons", was fine. 1762595;1514917424;asciilifeform;the use of dram where you can stolypin it off the rails -- new 1762596;1514917430;asciilifeform;but general presense, not 1762597;1514917433;asciilifeform;*pretense 1762598;1514917437;mircea_popescu;not tenable today because "zek + cellphone" is more like "nsa contractor" than zek 1762599;1514917534;asciilifeform;btw worth revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702815 in re why cache-timingleak cannot actually be fixed on dram 1762600;1514917534;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 14:41 asciilifeform: ( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode'; and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line; and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. ) 1762601;1514917552;asciilifeform;i.e. the 'R' is a lie 1762602;1514917561;asciilifeform;it ain't a randomaccess device. any moar then cassette. 1762603;1514917648;asciilifeform;*than 1762604;1514917727;mircea_popescu;in entirely unrelated news, here's a simple idea on how to leverage computing power to generate "game" content : create a hexagon filled with hexagonal cells ; cut an arbitrary number of partitions to it, present the pieces to human to "solve" the problem. 1762605;1514917738;mircea_popescu;combinatoric explosion -- always on your side. that's fucking how. 1762606;1514917751;asciilifeform;iirc 'panzer general' looked like this 1762607;1514917758;asciilifeform;and buncha others of the period 1762608;1514917775;mircea_popescu;yeah, hex grid was a "strategy" thing for a while 1762609;1514917786;asciilifeform;originally from tabletop 1762610;1514917817;mircea_popescu;funny, nobody to my knowledge leveraged multi-cell plane fills. 1762611;1514917827;mircea_popescu;"if you go into octagon you get X, but in square you get Y". 1762612;1514917844;mircea_popescu;because, i guess, socialist poison, "in all things we do must be one thing where all things are equal!" 1762613;1514917865;*;asciilifeform pictures a hextetris 1762614;1514917879;mircea_popescu;that was done 1762615;1514917884;asciilifeform;yea gotta be 1762616;1514917904;mircea_popescu;back in dos days was even pentix, if you recall, and then that arbitrary tetris generator in space, you saw it ? 1762617;1514917911;mircea_popescu;where you could actually define your piece sets. 1762618;1514918029;asciilifeform;possibly 1762619;1514918051;asciilifeform;4 was really the golden # , pentix pieces have trouble 'sliding past' 1762620;1514918061;asciilifeform;same thing with hexatiled pieces 1762621;1514918094;mircea_popescu;BLOCKOUT! holy shit 1762622;1514918110;mircea_popescu;god the time i spent with that thing... 1762623;1514918131;mircea_popescu;http://www.freegameempire.com/Img/Cache/Games/Blockout/Screenshot-2.png < item 1762624;1514918154;mircea_popescu;imo still very much playable today, at that. 1762625;1514918155;asciilifeform;aa i played a clone, 'welltris' iirc 1762626;1514918169;mircea_popescu;not sure which is the clone ; but emulated today. 1762627;1514918170;asciilifeform;or hm, not same 1762628;1514918176;asciilifeform;i think 'blockout' also. 1762629;1514918194;asciilifeform;somebody even had a '4d' tetris. 1762630;1514918221;mircea_popescu;not so useful for humans, that, is it 1762631;1514918424;asciilifeform;moar of a 'because we could' than actually-playable, aha 1762632;1514918449;mircea_popescu;well, moar of a "if you can't use time band for signalling you're stuck with a stitched together in-band signalling monstrosity" 1762633;1514918688;asciilifeform;upstack re dram , in particularly in its role as 'cheap simulacrum chocolate made of liquishit' item -- in august asciilifeform exhaustively researched available sram, and found that most of it ALSO does not get anywhere near rated speed except in sequential burst ! 1762634;1514918711;mircea_popescu;heh 1762635;1514918715;asciilifeform;and when you impose the condition that it MUST -- you end up with... 1762636;1514918717;mircea_popescu;shit's hard, what. 1762637;1514918724;asciilifeform;... same parts as were sold in 1996. 1762638;1514918743;asciilifeform;literally, same items we put in those 486 mobos with user-inserted cache. 1762639;1514918790;asciilifeform;'hard' is not the word. item could be trivially made in existing 14nm or whatnot 1762640;1514918797;asciilifeform;with current-day densities 1762641;1514918813;asciilifeform;but it ain't. because 'dun help c-machine any' 1762642;1514918819;mircea_popescu;the sram you mean ? 1762643;1514918822;asciilifeform;aha. 1762644;1514918829;asciilifeform;sane, i.e. random-access , sram. 1762645;1514918833;asciilifeform;no burst nonsense. 1762646;1514918871;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1762647;1514918972;asciilifeform;and in the narrowed set, found that : you can get 7-10ns sram at something like human cost. below : goes up exponentially 1762648;1514919005;asciilifeform;( and, on top of this, most of the offerings at 'high' end turn out to be 'pseudostatic' , i.e. internally has dram + refresher ) 1762649;1514927012;mircea_popescu;!!key nolan_bugg 1762650;1514927014;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/AA3FE7C6CB533021FA996DB2272806F8D52F0793.asc 1762651;1514937522;danielpbarron;!!rate nolan_bugg 9 childhood friend, known for 15+ years 1762652;1514937524;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CnPdK/?raw=true 1762653;1514937666;danielpbarron;!!unrate nolanbugg 1762654;1514937669;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Aiw4B/?raw=true 1762655;1514938090;ben_vulpes;that was fast 1762656;1514938099;mircea_popescu;diff names 1762657;1514938104;ben_vulpes;ah 1762658;1514938110;ben_vulpes;in other dipshitteries: https://medium.com/@enkiv2/trajectories-for-the-future-of-software-34f06b8c8fc7 1762659;1514938126;mircea_popescu;did anyone ever write something not-idiotic on that medium idiocy ? 1762660;1514938129;ben_vulpes;look at wannabe-hacker-oriented linux distros like Arch and Gentoo, which refuse to supply an installer and instead require users to retype the source code of an installer script from the manual 1762661;1514938156;ben_vulpes;dude's a wannabe alan kay, writing on a smaller shittier blogspot which is about to implode due to implementing the "three free articles per month" idiocy 1762662;1514938164;ben_vulpes;time for that died ~2014 1762663;1514938176;mircea_popescu;ie, "something we lifted from 2010 trilema and forgot to SAY SO" 1762664;1514938217;mircea_popescu;ah the good ole days of http://trilema.com/2011/hello-nyt-goodbye-nyt/ 1762665;1514938628;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762658 << i dunget what this was actually about 1762666;1514938628;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 00:08 ben_vulpes: in other dipshitteries: https://medium.com/@enkiv2/trajectories-for-the-future-of-software-34f06b8c8fc7 1762667;1514938645;asciilifeform;kept waiting for something concrete -- never came 1762668;1514938756;mircea_popescu;medium-concrete. 1762669;1514938966;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1762670;1514938971;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14900.0, vol: 16539.78632782 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14916.0, vol: 56448.87100103 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15046.0, vol: 3255.79110814 | Volume-weighted last average: 14918.0803647 1762671;1514938990;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Medium can't concrete porque not latino 1762672;1514939963;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: may have some fun savaging this one https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/brotopia-silicon-valley-secretive-orgiastic-inner-sanctum 1762673;1514939981;mircea_popescu;nah, it's ok, i'm playing blockout. 1762674;1514940009;ben_vulpes;sounds vastly more entertaining than pantsuit whinging 1762675;1514940325;mircea_popescu;possibly because it is. 1762676;1514954280;danielpbarron;!!up ReadErr 1762677;1514954281;deedbot;ReadErr voiced for 30 minutes. 1762678;1514954289;danielpbarron;nice host 1762679;1514954295;danielpbarron;seems legit 1762680;1514954339;mircea_popescu;i suspect schenanigans 1762681;1514954384;danielpbarron;nono i got him in here 1762682;1514954415;danielpbarron;found him in the l0de chat but also it turns out i chatted with him waaaay back like in 2005 1762683;1514954419;mircea_popescu;brb moar egg knock 1762684;1514954513;danielpbarron;i gotta make my own egg nog 1762685;1514954555;mircea_popescu;i ordered a smoked trout + aguacate & onion sandwich earlier and it was like "oh master, the fruits of exploitation are ready!" 1762686;1514954689;ReadErr;!!register http://rip.run/qhc 1762687;1514954692;deedbot;7C3D6F997D3D965D5A7C74CE9E4BD72145B88987 registered as ReadErr. 1762688;1514954707;ReadErr;!!rating danielpbarron 1762689;1514954709;mircea_popescu;!!v ReadErr very.legit.person 1762690;1514954714;mircea_popescu;!!rate ReadErr 1 very.legit.person 1762691;1514954716;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/THjdm/?raw=true 1762692;1514954719;danielpbarron;nice 1762693;1514954729;danielpbarron;!!rate ReadErr 1 l0de op 1762694;1514954732;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/V8cym/?raw=true 1762695;1514954741;ReadErr;!!ratings danielpbarron 1762696;1514954743;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LrVZg/?raw=true 1762697;1514954759;ReadErr;"He thinks lack of a signature is some sort of indictment." 1762698;1514954759;danielpbarron;actually hold on 1762699;1514954761;ReadErr;lol 1762700;1514954780;danielpbarron;!!rate ReadErr 1 l0de op, chatted with him back in the good old days in #high on efnet 1762701;1514954782;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YNgmK/?raw=true 1762702;1514954783;ReadErr;She is the best thing that ever happened to bitcointalk 1762703;1514954790;ReadErr;lol trappin ? 1762704;1514954811;mircea_popescu;who ? 1762705;1514954861;ReadErr;on danielpbarron's ratings 1762706;1514954881;ReadErr;ohhh wait 1762707;1514954887;ReadErr;is that people he rated 1762708;1514954892;mircea_popescu;yes. 1762709;1514954893;danielpbarron;alright let's get you some btc, hmmm 1762710;1514954915;ReadErr;!!reputation l0de 1762711;1514954919;danielpbarron;!!pay ReadErr 0.01 1762712;1514954925;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9IhZa/?raw=true 1762713;1514954926;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7c9ua/?raw=true 1762714;1514954932;danielpbarron;fuck.. 1762715;1514954935;danielpbarron;which is mine 1762716;1514954941;ReadErr;1sec reading manual 1762717;1514954945;danielpbarron;i'm guessing the 2nd one 1762718;1514954990;ReadErr;i clicked that one 1762719;1514954998;ReadErr;if its OTP it prolly ruined it 1762720;1514955020;ReadErr;wheres the info on the workflow 1762721;1514955035;danielpbarron;alright, you can !!balance to check it 1762722;1514955055;ReadErr;whats the 2 paste for? 1762723;1514955057;danielpbarron;mine was indeed the second one, yours was the first 1762724;1514955087;ReadErr;oh 1sec ill copy it for you 1762725;1514955106;danielpbarron;i'd suggest you leave it in there tho, as the fee to send is a somewhat significant chunk of that 1762726;1514955135;mircea_popescu;!!reputation ReadErr 1762727;1514955137;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2iiJ0/?raw=true 1762728;1514955137;ReadErr;yea man the other day 1762729;1514955142;ReadErr;i had to send $2 1762730;1514955147;ReadErr;and the fee was 18 1762731;1514955152;ReadErr;didnt send 2$.. 1762732;1514955157;mircea_popescu;ReadErr so use ecu or w/e 1762733;1514955163;danielpbarron;poor ppl problems, or should i say non republic problems 1762734;1514955174;ReadErr;lol wont deny that 1762735;1514955182;ReadErr;whats ecu ? 1762736;1514955188;mircea_popescu;eulora coppers. 1762737;1514955197;mircea_popescu;what do you do, other than very legit websites, ReadErr ? 1762738;1514955216;trinque;danielpbarron: only one OP returns an OTP 1762739;1514955224;ReadErr;mircea_popescu: i do a lot of stuff 1762740;1514955224;danielpbarron;yeah i figured 1762741;1514955237;ReadErr;my very.legit.website was a late night + namecheap sale result 1762742;1514955242;trinque;that said having it address people directly is on the stack 1762743;1514955255;ReadErr;i got sucked into buying so many domains for cheap 1762744;1514955261;ReadErr;then when renewals came around 1762745;1514955266;ReadErr;they where like 30x more expensive 1762746;1514955293;mircea_popescu;heh 1762747;1514955295;ReadErr;I do a electronics (embedded/pcb) 1762748;1514955299;ReadErr;lunix 1762749;1514955307;mircea_popescu;aha! 1762750;1514955311;mircea_popescu;that may turn out to be useful. 1762751;1514955323;ReadErr;ya its fun, brought a few things to market 1762752;1514955342;ReadErr;mostly a ton of opensource hardware though 1762753;1514955360;*;mircea_popescu would link fg, if there was a page ;/ 1762754;1514955413;ReadErr;https://github.com/brotronics 1762755;1514955417;danielpbarron;wait i got a page 1762756;1514955419;ReadErr;some of my older stuff 1762757;1514955457;danielpbarron;https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292365876058 1762758;1514955463;danielpbarron;exit 1762759;1514955466;danielpbarron;lol 1762760;1514955505;danielpbarron;someone bought one off that recently. fg is big in ca 1762761;1514955605;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kuPF3HQI/droner.png 1762762;1514955616;ReadErr;i do cnc/solidworks stuff 1762763;1514955625;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nW1SHX6r/mntboard.png 1762764;1514955632;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aJLgNmk0/trollien.png 1762765;1514955644;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/c2mlzlsd/sperky2.png 1762766;1514955653;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LPfTFUzY/powar.png 1762767;1514955661;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9JTkWqy2/fc.png 1762768;1514955673;trinque;impressive ReadErr 1762769;1514955684;ReadErr;ty 1762770;1514955691;mircea_popescu;ReadErr the bot autoarchives links, btw. 1762771;1514955692;ReadErr;its mostly just for fun 1762772;1514955698;ReadErr;its all good 1762773;1514955766;ReadErr;i just like to do things myself, like electronics stuff, its cheaper from china 1762774;1514955777;ReadErr;but when i do my own, i can make it how i want 1762775;1514955784;ReadErr;rather than depending on someone else to 1762776;1514955970;mircea_popescu;quite. 1762777;1514956033;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r71CYbzq/wings.png 1762778;1514956046;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/e6nX6oIj/IMG_1410.JPG 1762779;1514956120;trinque;!!up ReadErr 1762780;1514956121;deedbot;ReadErr voiced for 30 minutes. 1762781;1514956128;mircea_popescu;ReadErr say "!!up" to deedbot in a pm ; then !!v 1762782;1514956129;ReadErr;danielpbarron: did you do that pcb? 1762783;1514956136;ReadErr;!!up 1762784;1514956140;ReadErr;oh in pm 1762785;1514956140;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iqjzg/?raw=true 1762786;1514956151;trinque;here works now that you've done it 1762787;1514956151;mircea_popescu;nah, asciilifeform did ; the whole thing's in a v tree 1762788;1514956180;mircea_popescu;ReadErr http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg&search= 1762789;1514956234;ReadErr;looks like a arduino 1762790;1514956237;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762753 << >> https://archive.is/CGQkR 1762791;1514956237;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 04:56 mircea_popescu would link fg, if there was a page ;/ 1762792;1514956245;danielpbarron;ReadErr, i bought them from No Such lAbs 1762793;1514956251;ReadErr;whats under the shields ? 1762794;1514956255;danielpbarron;i bought out the entire first run 1762795;1514956300;ben_vulpes;ReadErr: what are those pcbs? 1762796;1514956312;asciilifeform;ReadErr: see the archive link, has photo 1762797;1514956316;danielpbarron;i've been sending out any non prime numbered units 1762798;1514956316;ReadErr;ben_vulpes: few flight controllers 1762799;1514956329;ben_vulpes;fixed and quad it looked like from the photos? 1762800;1514956334;ReadErr;heres something i did kinda recently... 1762801;1514956335;ReadErr;ya 1762802;1514956380;ben_vulpes;that skateboard looks like a ripping good time 1762803;1514956454;ben_vulpes;schematics for the fixedwing flight controller anywhere? 1762804;1514956482;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2vJ1E2z0/IMG_1556.JPG 1762805;1514956488;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/R7TBtCoo/IMG_1557.JPG 1762806;1514956493;ReadErr;a magnet goes on the back 1762807;1514956509;ReadErr;and a piece of wire + magnet on wraps around it 1762808;1514956525;ReadErr;and it will charge a 1s batt but also provide 5v output from 1 battery 1762809;1514956537;ReadErr;and fits in a pouch on keychain 1762810;1514956546;ben_vulpes;useful! 1762811;1514956551;ReadErr;not really lol 1762812;1514956555;ReadErr;but i made it for fun 1762813;1514956556;ben_vulpes;well for tiny usb thingers 1762814;1514956571;ReadErr;ben_vulpes: ya i got some stuff up FC wise 1762815;1514956577;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XNww4Ray/finger4scale.png 1762816;1514956599;ben_vulpes;header forest lol 1762817;1514956622;ReadErr;https://github.com/Brotronics/LulfroMini 1762818;1514956695;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Qvj0lDgo/lulfro1.png 1762819;1514956700;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Ew0sWEcK/lulfro2.png 1762820;1514956706;ReadErr;so timecop did the white one 1762821;1514956714;ReadErr;but the pinout was kinda shit 1762822;1514956732;ReadErr;so i just did mine to piss him off and make it more usable, but did it smaller w/ more stuff 1762823;1514956891;ben_vulpes;heh neat, so how do you use one of these fcs? 1762824;1514956912;ReadErr;well, thats pretty flexible 1762825;1514956920;ReadErr;theres a few codesbases depending on what you are trying to do 1762826;1514956926;ReadErr;some are focused more on racing/performance 1762827;1514956939;ReadErr;others autonomy, like gps navigation 1762828;1514956960;ReadErr;but they are typically stm32 1762829;1514956963;ReadErr;(ARM) 1762830;1514956970;ben_vulpes;gotta wire IMUs etc to it or is that all on the pcb? 1762831;1514956975;ReadErr;its all on the pcb 1762832;1514956982;ReadErr;btw 1762833;1514956989;ReadErr;any recommendations for a photohost? 1762834;1514956998;ReadErr;i dropped smugmug since they pissed me off 1762835;1514957007;ben_vulpes;run a server, set up apache? 1762836;1514957007;ReadErr;and dont have most of my stuff uploaded 1762837;1514957016;ben_vulpes;costs like 5 bucks per month 1762838;1514957018;ReadErr;ya i was trying to avoid the self hosted route 1762839;1514957021;ReadErr;i have a bunch of vps 1762840;1514957032;ben_vulpes;word 1762841;1514957034;danielpbarron;ReadErr, feel free to provide a service :D 1762842;1514957035;mircea_popescu;buy a box. 1762843;1514957035;ReadErr;but its more so I want them somewhere just incase 1762844;1514957051;ReadErr;i dont know which gallery to run though 1762845;1514957057;danielpbarron;i'd rather pay you than use imgur 1762846;1514957059;ReadErr;software wise 1762847;1514957064;mircea_popescu;!#s mp-wp 1762848;1514957065;a111;96 results for "mp-wp", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mp-wp 1762849;1514957069;ReadErr;smugmug was nice but 1762850;1514957078;ReadErr;they changed how they did photolinks 1762851;1514957078;ben_vulpes;sounds like you want a holistic personal backup strategy, really gotta go bolting shit to the side with galleries as well? 1762852;1514957091;ReadErr;so it replaced all the urls with smugmug rather than my domain 1762853;1514957110;ben_vulpes;dude it's just going to keep happening. sv baitnswitch. 1762854;1514957116;ReadErr;ben_vulpes: nah i just need something with a good mobile app though too 1762855;1514957125;ben_vulpes;what why 1762856;1514957132;ReadErr;since getting them from phone -> web is a pain through a browser 1762857;1514957152;danielpbarron;step 1) get the user base. step 2) ??? step 3) fuck it, change everything maybe we get moneyz 1762858;1514957153;ReadErr;smugmug had a great mobile app 1762859;1514957159;ReadErr;which is why i originally used them 1762860;1514957173;ReadErr;but they quit dev on it, stopped working with new phone updates 1762861;1514957185;ben_vulpes;ReadErr: has an iphone with the soldered in storage probably, cannot pull sd card? 1762862;1514957193;ReadErr;lol 1762863;1514957210;ReadErr;nah but theres something to be said about just tapping the screen twice 1762864;1514957218;ben_vulpes;shake it hard it may come out, i hear the rohs crap is crap 1762865;1514957219;ReadErr;and having it upload to a specific folder 1762866;1514957224;ReadErr;rohs is crap 1762867;1514957229;ReadErr;<-- all leaded 1762868;1514957230;ben_vulpes;regulation is crap. 1762869;1514957242;ben_vulpes;ReadErr: where do you get properly leaded solder? 1762870;1514957249;ReadErr;amazon, 1762871;1514957253;ReadErr;i use kester noclean 1762872;1514957254;ben_vulpes;that easy, huh? 1762873;1514957274;ben_vulpes;solved child enslavement and leaded solder equally well teh pantsuits 1762874;1514957277;mircea_popescu;heh, apparently everyone hates nonleaded 1762875;1514957280;ReadErr;https://www.amazon.com/Kester-No-Clean-Flux-Core-Solder/dp/B004X4KSZQ 1762876;1514957283;ReadErr;this series 1762877;1514957301;ReadErr;but a lot of smt stuff i do with paste 1762878;1514957384;ReadErr;mircea_popescu: is mp-wp some wordpress ? 1762879;1514957387;ben_vulpes;ReadErr: how much of a hassle is it to throw waypoints or actuator setpoints at one of those fcs of yours while its flying? 1762880;1514957402;danielpbarron;ReadErr, i can send it to you. i got it from shinohai 1762881;1514957403;ReadErr;ben_vulpes: well, with a tablet its quite easy 1762882;1514957418;danielpbarron;ReadErr, it's the wordpress that runs trilema.com 1762883;1514957424;ben_vulpes;oya? wifi stuff? 1762884;1514957427;ReadErr;ahh i see 1762885;1514957433;ReadErr;ben_vulpes: not wifi typically 1762886;1514957435;danielpbarron;a preserved in amber old version of wordpress 1762887;1514957441;ReadErr;its a noisy spectrum 1762888;1514957455;ben_vulpes;how dyou get setpoints from table to fc then 1762889;1514957457;ReadErr;a lot of guys in america use 433 or 915mhz 1762890;1514957462;ReadErr;packet radio 1762891;1514957482;ReadErr;here 1sec 1762892;1514957512;asciilifeform;lol garage remote spectrum 1762893;1514957519;asciilifeform;fulla liquishit 1762894;1514957593;mircea_popescu;ReadErr yeah ; it's what i use for interfacing all my hosting needs. 1762895;1514957598;mircea_popescu;finetuned to perfection. 1762896;1514957688;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UOKmFuKE/banknwank.png 1762897;1514957710;ReadErr;that i just did to go full blow HIV 1762898;1514957718;ReadErr;and put a bunch of stuff on it 1762899;1514957789;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xfty3Y2Q/tx.png 1762900;1514957804;ben_vulpes;hiv? 1762901;1514957822;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/H0eklgO2/dataradio.png 1762902;1514957832;ReadErr;those there a specifically for serial data 1762903;1514957933;ben_vulpes;!!reputation ReadErr 1762904;1514957934;asciilifeform;ReadErr: why the prefab rf modules ? why not make whole thing ? 1762905;1514957934;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rW7n7/?raw=true 1762906;1514957942;asciilifeform;!!up ReadErr 1762907;1514957942;deedbot;ReadErr voiced for 30 minutes. 1762908;1514957958;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SKxLkae2/smallest.png 1762909;1514957959;ReadErr;this one lol 1762910;1514957977;ReadErr;some guy got into a pissing contest saying he had the smallest UHF receiver 1762911;1514957986;ben_vulpes;ReadErr: what does 'HIV' stand for? 1762912;1514957988;ReadErr;so i just did that to be spiteful 1762913;1514958002;ReadErr;human immunodeficiency virus 1762914;1514958010;ReadErr;i was kidding it doesnt have HIV 1762915;1514958035;ReadErr;but 'full blown aids' is like a expression people use for everything but the kitchen sink 1762916;1514958046;ben_vulpes;new one on me 1762917;1514958047;ReadErr;atleast in certain circles 1762918;1514958087;ben_vulpes;subject of circles where does this timecop feller and this otherguy with the uhf dick swinging habit all hang out? 1762919;1514958121;ReadErr;well timecop is kinda out of the scene now, the other guy was just a random on a forum 1762920;1514958128;ReadErr;but he wasnt releasing his source 1762921;1514958138;ReadErr;and it was part of an opensource project i was involved in 1762922;1514958147;ReadErr;so i did this one in a few hrs and put it on github 1762923;1514958159;ReadErr;so ppl had an option if they wanted to make it or not 1762924;1514958376;ben_vulpes;so whatcha working on now? 1762925;1514958594;ReadErr;reworking some stuff for a DIY oxygen concentrator 1762926;1514958597;ReadErr;for running torches 1762927;1514958606;ReadErr;glass and whatnot 1762928;1514958686;ReadErr;its kind of an odd area of the law, since they are sold as medical devices 1762929;1514958695;ReadErr;its grey buying 2nd hand units 1762930;1514958733;ReadErr;but this one has a higher output than several of the medical ones combined and costed much less 1762931;1514958810;asciilifeform;from where didja get the zeolite, ReadErr ? 1762932;1514958832;ReadErr;1sec lemme find the invoice 1762933;1514958839;ReadErr;i got a ton though lol 1762934;1514958908;ReadErr;Products Model Price Total 1762935;1514958909;ReadErr;1 x 5A 8X12 Molecular Sieve Desiccant - 25 LB Box MS5A81225 $99.25 $99.25 1762936;1514958909;ReadErr;Sub-Total: $99.25 1762937;1514958909;ReadErr;UPS Ground : $20.85 1762938;1514958909;ReadErr;Tax: $0.00 1762939;1514958910;ReadErr;Total: $120.10 1762940;1514958923;ReadErr;https://www.deltaadsorbents.com/molecular-sieve 1762941;1514958970;ReadErr;so much cheaper when you buy 25# 1762942;1514959259;ReadErr;asciilifeform: you have some concentrators ? 1762943;1514959669;ReadErr;asciilifeform: just noticed re: modules 1762944;1514959676;ReadErr;its mostly an ease thing 1762945;1514959689;ReadErr;and they are so cheap (5$) from china 1762946;1514959707;ReadErr;all the matching stuff ends up being quite a bit of extra parts 1762947;1514960223;mircea_popescu;wd. 1762948;1514960228;ReadErr;1:09 AM TI has some cortex/RF SoC for those ranges 1762949;1514960228;ReadErr;1:09 AM if i went that route i would just try one of theirs 1762950;1514960239;ReadErr;didnt notice the unvoice 1762951;1514960246;mircea_popescu;ReadErr the channel is logged, see eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762950 1762952;1514960246;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 06:17 ReadErr: didnt notice the unvoice 1762953;1514960247;ReadErr;so now that im authenticated it wont -v ? 1762954;1514960254;mircea_popescu;there's no need to worry anyone misses anything you say 1762955;1514960261;mircea_popescu;and yes, now it won't -v 1762956;1514960273;ReadErr;nice good deal 1762957;1514960285;ReadErr;so is this stuff decentralized as well? 1762958;1514960294;ReadErr;or does it all hinge on deedbot 1762959;1514960337;danielpbarron;the log is hosted in at least 3 places, but decentralized is a sort of USG buzzword bullshit 1762960;1514960339;mircea_popescu;yes, for instance http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-1-3#274054 1762961;1514960353;ReadErr;multi-homed ? 1762962;1514960358;trinque;rendunderant 1762963;1514960366;danielpbarron;that's a better term, sure 1762964;1514960371;ReadErr;so like master/slave dbs 1762965;1514960381;trinque;just multiple bots present logging. 1762966;1514960388;ReadErr;gotcha 1762967;1514960396;ReadErr;just quiet ones 1762968;1514960408;mircea_popescu; http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20180103/#316 etc 1762969;1514960408;scriba;Logged on 2018-01-03: [06:19:00] yes, for instance http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-1-3#274054 1762970;1514960425;ReadErr;so question 1762971;1514960430;ReadErr;if theres a netsplit 1762972;1514960440;ReadErr;hows that work in terms of missing pieces 1762973;1514960446;mircea_popescu;ReadErr actually there's all sorts of functionality implemented, see http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bots-directory/ for the list 1762974;1514960476;mircea_popescu;ReadErr if there;s a netsplit every bot sees its shard ; generally discussion stops tho. 1762975;1514960488;mircea_popescu;if you read the logs, you'll see there's a lot of important stuff in there. 1762976;1514960509;danielpbarron;like the intel shit that's blowing up 1762977;1514960511;mircea_popescu;anyway, you can make one too, if you want, it's not that hard. 1762978;1514960530;mircea_popescu;take http://trinque.org/tag/ircbot/ and run with it. 1762979;1514960595;ReadErr;ahh cool off ircbot 1762980;1514960616;mircea_popescu;afaik this is new. 1762981;1514960644;ReadErr;ive been wanting a reason to mess with https://github.com/irccloud/irccat 1762982;1514960653;trinque;it is. 1762983;1514960658;trinque;danielpbarron: how'd that cuntoo build go 1762984;1514960659;mircea_popescu;ah, that's a different item. 1762985;1514960661;ReadErr;the idea of being able to echo outputs of stuff into iirc 1762986;1514960663;ReadErr;irc* 1762987;1514960669;ReadErr;makes quick stuff really easy 1762988;1514960692;mircea_popescu;ReadErr that's the idea. ircbot is in lips ; if you dont' grok that there's also supybot which iirc is python 1762989;1514960695;mircea_popescu;and maybe others. 1762990;1514960696;ReadErr;its pretty light footprint wise 1762991;1514960702;danielpbarron;trinque, it finished but my rapid enter hitting caused it to default the user creation part, and i've yet to chroot back in to fix it 1762992;1514960735;ReadErr;i run a supybot on efnet mostly for twitter crap 1762993;1514960743;mircea_popescu;aha 1762994;1514960749;ReadErr;its easier to see the stuff in a channel 1762995;1514960753;ReadErr;than twitter.com 1762996;1514960757;trinque;danielpbarron: lol, classic "next" mashing. 1762997;1514960771;trinque;I should've put one of those fancy web toolbars in there. 1762998;1514960772;mircea_popescu;pretty much everything is easier/better if you take the silicon valley idiots out of the loop 1762999;1514960773;danielpbarron;i looks like it'll work tho, nice job 1763000;1514960781;ReadErr;what I *really* want 1763001;1514960794;ReadErr;is a irc twitter gateway kinda thing 1763002;1514960794;trinque;danielpbarron: ty; if you made it to user creation you were done with the build 1763003;1514960805;ReadErr;you connect to a znc or some server proxy 1763004;1514960805;mircea_popescu;ReadErr how'd that work ? 1763005;1514960814;ReadErr;and each @user has a pm 1763006;1514960822;ReadErr;and channels would represent hashtags 1763007;1514960823;trinque;made it past lilo and all that. 1763008;1514960823;danielpbarron;the power at my house coincidentally went out on new years day and i'm still recovering from dancing 1763009;1514960827;mircea_popescu;ah like a twitter bridge ? very likely get banned. 1763010;1514960837;ReadErr;so you can add it to your client 1763011;1514960845;ReadErr;and view 1 users tweets in order 1763012;1514960857;ReadErr;reply 1763013;1514960858;ReadErr;etc 1763014;1514960871;ReadErr;yea API is kinda limited free tier 1763015;1514960873;mircea_popescu;twitter isn't likely going to support this. 1763016;1514960881;ReadErr;they will 1763017;1514960883;danielpbarron;twitter is absolutely fucked 1763018;1514960887;ReadErr;they just want $ 1763019;1514960891;ReadErr;for the extra api calls 1763020;1514960894;danielpbarron;that's not even the problem 1763021;1514960909;danielpbarron;they are trying to be facebook 1763022;1514960913;ReadErr;twitter culture is dumb 1763023;1514960917;ReadErr;but the few places i follow 1763024;1514960923;ReadErr;its easiest to get quick news 1763025;1514960925;ReadErr;and whatnot 1763026;1514960946;danielpbarron;it used to work well, when i could reply to "celebrities" and have my reply get top billing 1763027;1514960973;ReadErr;ohh crap check this out 1763028;1514960996;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HLKXlIMY/bahahahatrump.png slightly nsfw maybe 1763029;1514961007;ReadErr;those 1st reply bots 1763030;1514961030;mircea_popescu;!#s from:mircea "tumblr" 1763031;1514961030;a111;2366 results for "from:mircea \"tumblr\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea%20%22tumblr%22 1763032;1514961036;mircea_popescu;^ talking of nsfw. 1763033;1514961037;danielpbarron;oo that's a good url 1763034;1514961061;ReadErr;lol mircea_popescu nice stuff 1763035;1514961069;ReadErr;a lot of freenode chans are stuffy about that kinda thing 1763036;1514961075;ReadErr;efnet doesnt really care 1763037;1514961080;ReadErr;every click is risky 1763038;1514961130;ReadErr;holy crap, 1700+ entries 1763039;1514961142;mircea_popescu;lol 1763040;1514961146;mircea_popescu;it says, 2366 1763041;1514961159;ReadErr;oh hm odd 1763042;1514961161;ReadErr;it changes per page 1763043;1514961196;ReadErr;good having folks like you that paste the good stuff, sift though the bad 1763044;1514961209;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1763045;1514961209;danielpbarron;i used that search to print out a stack of papers to post in a co-workers office, got fired. 1763046;1514961214;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1763047;1514961459;*;danielpbarron regrets nothing 1763048;1514961532;ReadErr; mircea_popescu you trust wordpress enough ? 1763049;1514961539;mircea_popescu;mp-wp yeah. 1763050;1514961549;ReadErr;ive seen so many boxes compromised from garbage wp pluggins 1763051;1514961550;mircea_popescu;it's been running trilema for almost a decade, 0 spam 0 issues. 1763052;1514961554;mircea_popescu;nah. 1763053;1514961562;ReadErr;timthumb etc 1763054;1514961575;mircea_popescu;it comes with all the plugins you need. 1763055;1514961578;ReadErr;do you just prevent uploading? 1763056;1514961596;mircea_popescu;no, there's tons of pics on trilema. look : http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ 1763057;1514961648;ReadErr;hahah 0.02BTC for tit pics nice 1763058;1514961694;danielpbarron;sorta why i did 0.01, no tits ;< 1763059;1514961711;mircea_popescu;lol 1763060;1514961886;ReadErr;im not workin with much 1763061;1514962176;ReadErr;any reliable postage selling sites that take eth? 1763062;1514962185;mircea_popescu;notrly 1763063;1514962437;ReadErr;yea couldnt find much either 1763064;1514962468;ReadErr;i used stampnik ages ago 1763065;1514962486;ReadErr;but with fees and stuff its too much 1763066;1514970401;ReadErr;this must be one of those channels people actually sleep and live functional lives ;p 1763067;1514986779;BingoBoingo;!!up yangwao 1763068;1514986780;deedbot;yangwao voiced for 30 minutes. 1763069;1514986789;BingoBoingo;yangwao: Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1763070;1514986845;BingoBoingo; this must be one of those channels people actually sleep and live functional lives ;p << Yes, and some people in this channel even get sent on missions to Montevideo. 1763071;1514986906;ReadErr;lol explain 1763072;1514986960;BingoBoingo;ReadErr: Well after a prolonged search for an acceptable ISP to host servers, not a single one in the world was found. So I was sent to Montevideo to work with a datacenter to start one. 1763073;1514986979;ReadErr;oh haha thats awesome 1763074;1514986990;ReadErr;setup a few racks? 1763075;1514987087;BingoBoingo;Well, starting with one. At the moment mostly learning Spanish and waiting for the papers that declare me a very.legit.bsnsman 1763076;1514987135;ReadErr;lol 1763077;1514987143;ReadErr;i have so many dumb domains now 1763078;1514987203;BingoBoingo;Anyways this is one of the few places where hard work, not being stupid, and sticking around leads to opportunities and access to leverage. 1763079;1514987214;ReadErr;https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2BB5JFL5/ 1763080;1514987261;ReadErr;i let chatting.pro expire though 1763081;1514987294;BingoBoingo;Ah, we have our own pastetank here courtesy of Senor ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ 1763082;1514987330;ReadErr;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2Wm0S/?raw=true 1763083;1514987377;ReadErr;hard16 is for ascii stuff not 16 year olds btw (16 color palette) 1763084;1514987455;BingoBoingo;Ah 1763085;1514987490;ReadErr;it was afterwards i realized people might take it the wrong way 1763086;1514987554;ReadErr;how much you planning on deploying ? 1763087;1514987580;ReadErr;odd that you arrived at uraguay 1763088;1514987596;ReadErr;is it one of those bulletproof hosting setups or whatever 1763089;1514987691;BingoBoingo;Well, After scouring the world Hong Kong would have required demasiado racks to support human presence near the datacenter, Brazil's visa process involved too much time and bullshit, and Uruguay is like "cool man, whatever" 1763090;1514987735;ReadErr;must be a pretty serious thing if you can afford to do it fulltime for now 1763091;1514987752;BingoBoingo;The setup however is not bulletproof. It turns out they don't make ballistic rated servers or cabinets. 1763092;1514987764;ReadErr;lol surey they do :) 1763093;1514987766;BingoBoingo;Well, part of the secret is keeping the burn rate on the cash low. 1763094;1514987770;ReadErr;infact there was a german 1763095;1514987775;ReadErr;in linuxcnc 1763096;1514987778;ReadErr;thats all his company did 1763097;1514987791;ReadErr;crazy chassis for tanks and vehicles 1763098;1514987821;ReadErr;super shielded for RF 1763099;1514987851;ReadErr;but yea need remote hands avail 1763100;1514987958;BingoBoingo;Anyways, I am living in a hostel and rent a desk at a cowork space. The black people here are friendly, unlike in Saint Louis, and the girls are pretty. 1763101;1514987992;ReadErr;haha 1763102;1514988021;ReadErr;ive been to st. louis a few times with a buddy 1763103;1514988034;ReadErr;its not too bad, too cold though 1763104;1514988040;ReadErr;not much to do in the city but drink 1763105;1514988055;ReadErr;the AHB tour is neat though 1763106;1514988071;BingoBoingo;In the summer it's too hot in St Louis too. 1763107;1514988089;ReadErr;yea thats true too 1763108;1514988115;BingoBoingo;And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war 1763109;1514988123;ReadErr;oh before 1763110;1514988125;ReadErr;way before 1763111;1514988172;ReadErr;imagine it depends what part of st louis you are 1763112;1514988178;ReadErr;theres the super nice areas 1763113;1514988183;ReadErr;and the super not nice ones 1763114;1514988191;BingoBoingo;It used to depend. Now not so much. 1763115;1514988224;BingoBoingo;The "nice" areas now are a daylight only sort of affair. Like the old "sundown towns" but in reverse 1763116;1514988295;ReadErr;i could see that 1763117;1514988300;ReadErr;now i mean 1763118;1514988308;ReadErr;didnt realize it got that bad though 1763119;1514988333;ReadErr;too midwestern for me 1763120;1514988358;BingoBoingo;Anyways if you go into St Louis now at night, even in the "nice" areas... there is a 50/50 chance you get surrounded by a crowd of youth with half of them on their phones calling your pasty ass a nigger and waiting to surprise you with WORLDSTARHIPHOP 1763121;1514988483;ReadErr;savage 1763122;1514988508;BingoBoingo;Or you know... There's the knockout game. 1763123;1514988510;BingoBoingo;Etc 1763124;1514988522;ReadErr;there was a guy on efnet 1763125;1514988529;ReadErr;ran his mouth off to some folks leaving a bar 1763126;1514988539;ReadErr;they beat him up pretty good 1763127;1514988555;ReadErr;he went to the news trying to say he was a knockout game victim 1763128;1514988564;BingoBoingo;Here the locals say Ciuda Vieja is dangerous at night. I walk around there at night. Very safe. Just a bunch of idle dorks sitting around. 1763129;1514988566;ReadErr;but it all kinda backfired 1763130;1514988622;ReadErr;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qmDVnolq/lolward.png 1763131;1514988683;BingoBoingo;Ah 1763132;1514988727;ReadErr;probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme 1763133;1514988736;ReadErr;one of those types 1763134;1514988774;BingoBoingo;ReadErr: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ for updates on the journey here. Disregard the name. I've been sober for a couple years now. 1763135;1514988835;ReadErr;gangster roll lol 1763136;1514988836;ReadErr;nice 1763137;1514989043;ReadErr; when i read mortar and 6 shells, i was thinking like real military stuff for some reason 1763138;1514989059;ReadErr;which could have been fun 1763139;1514989531;BingoBoingo;Nah, just the sparkly stuff. MP got the bigger stuff though http://trilema.com/2018/happy-mew-years/ 1763140;1514989572;danielpbarron;i did karaoke for new years. danced so hard i think i'm getting sick now 1763141;1514989601;ReadErr;i wan to go to a country that lets you toss live grenades 1763142;1514989605;ReadErr;no idea why 1763143;1514989610;ReadErr;just sounds fun 1763144;1514989844;danielpbarron;or a country that can't stop you from throwing them. who cares what they "let you do" 1763145;1514989875;ReadErr;I mean, real talk, i would settle on a flashbang too 1763146;1514989900;danielpbarron;be like best korea. not allowed to have nukes. gets nukes anyway 1763147;1514989928;ReadErr;a RGP would be fun too 1763148;1514990924;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1763149;1514990932;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15000.0, vol: 15463.52843943 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14944.06803522, vol: 56849.03831093 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15087.4, vol: 3297.44488295 | Volume-weighted last average: 14961.7579516 1763150;1514993766;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/03/una-bandita-robo-mi-escalara-de-cama-un-historia-para-todos-edads/ << Bingo Blog - Una Bandita Robo Mi Escalara De Cama Un Historia Para Todos Edads 1763151;1514993843;BingoBoingo;^ Monday night's adventure 1763152;1514995405;asciilifeform;in other lulz, intel ceo sells 100% of the stock his contract permitted him to sell ( and even filed the mandatory usg report to hitler, hence how it came out ) 1763153;1514995437;asciilifeform;0 mention in 'mainstream media' re the obvious reason ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1720909 ) why. 1763154;1514995437;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 00:19 asciilifeform: here's a choice lulzgem: 'One-location hammering is based on a previously unknown Rowhammer effect. With one-location hammering, the attacker only runs a Flush+Reload loop on a single memory address at the maximum frequency. This virtually keeps the DRAM bank permanently open. We observed that one-location hammering drains enough charge from the DRAM cells to induce bit flips.' 1763155;1514995502;asciilifeform;but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.' 1763156;1514995669;asciilifeform;^ though i'ma nitpick, i actually ~had~ ( nao sold, ty phf ! for finding buyer ) a symbolics 3620 ; and it beat the shit out of the 2000s crapples, winblowz boxen, etc, at least subjectively. ( i did not obtain a 1000fps camera, unlike in the experiment claimed by linked item ) 1763157;1514995801;asciilifeform;'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.' 1763158;1514995809;asciilifeform;overall notbad.jpg. 1763159;1514996112;*;asciilifeform suspects that subjective latency depends more on statistical spread than the avg delay. 1763160;1514996155;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762942 << nope. and imho ye olde 'water torch' is more interesting tech ( no need to buy o2 OR fuel... ) 1763161;1514996155;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 06:00 ReadErr: asciilifeform: you have some concentrators ? 1763162;1514996225;phf;happy new year, tmsr 1763163;1514996235;asciilifeform;ohai phf ! 1763164;1514996288;phf;so i pulled an old iphone out of storage for travel, and discovered that half the ips it gets are klined on freenode. at least from nyc 1763165;1514996310;asciilifeform;gets from where 1763166;1514996315;asciilifeform;( which telco ? ) 1763167;1514996320;phf;tmobile 1763168;1514996382;*;asciilifeform wonders if same is true in other million-meatbag cities 1763169;1514996540;phf;asciilifeform: oh hey so i posted my solution on chapter 5, and this time around i have an id: 18558 1763170;1514996554;asciilifeform;phf: irc on shitpnojes sucks mightily. can be made ~tolerable with 'bouncer' . 1763171;1514996558;asciilifeform;phf: i'ma look, 1s 1763172;1514996583;asciilifeform;phf: it was under a tall pile of spamola. should be visible nao. 1763173;1514996590;phf;ty 1763174;1514996592;asciilifeform;PeterL's too. 1763175;1514996674;asciilifeform;congrats to phf and PeterL : solved ch4. 1763176;1514996877;phf;oh hey, PeterL also did an optimization that i didn't notice at the time 1763177;1514996910;asciilifeform;phf: be so kind as to demonstrate yours on pehbot for the permalog 1763178;1514996920;asciilifeform;( and PeterL when he comes , i will ask this also ) 1763179;1514996975;asciilifeform;hm it croaked...? 1763180;1514997082;asciilifeform;just... vanished. left 0 record of why. 1763181;1514997108;phf;welcome to running an irc bot 1763182;1514997138;*;asciilifeform wonders if it is even in principle possible to make a freenode-crapolade-tolerant bot 1763183;1514997143;asciilifeform;betcha that's what killed it 1763184;1514997164;asciilifeform;prolly cheapest pill is simply to sit it down behind znc 1763185;1514997773;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque how does deedbot's block-fetch history for past 2wk look ? zoolag's performed very, very well re 'tip of spear' , and there appear to exist at least 5 other fully-synced trb boxen that regularly speak to it. 1763186;1514997773;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1763187;1514998587;ben_vulpes;mine's been doing a marvelous job at staying at the tip, and i suspect that my network slices have made transaction broadcasting more reliable, but This Ain't Science 1763188;1514998750;phf;!!up pehbot 1763189;1514998750;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1763190;1514998768;phf;!A .1.2#[, ]# 1763191;1514998768;pehbot;phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 1763192;1514999208;phf;the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _ 1763193;1514999211;phf;!A .1.2 ``<{'_}{_}_ # 1763194;1514999212;pehbot;phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002 1763195;1514999215;phf;!A .3.2 ``<{'_}{_}_ # 1763196;1514999216;pehbot;phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003 1763197;1514999225;phf;the base operation is comparison <, but it drops both numbers, so we need to preserve them first by using a `` . we are left with a boolean result of a comparison and the two numbers 1763198;1514999230;phf;!A .1.2 ``< #[, ]#[, ]# 1763199;1514999230;pehbot;phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 1763200;1514999233;phf;!A .3.2 ``< #[, ]#[, ]# 1763201;1514999234;pehbot;phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002, 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003 1763202;1514999242;phf;using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack. 1763203;1514999245;phf;!A .1.2.1 {'_}{_}_ # 1763204;1514999245;pehbot;phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002 1763205;1514999249;phf;!A .3.2.0 {'_}{_}_ # 1763206;1514999249;pehbot;phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003 1763207;1514999253;phf;we repeat the base case n-1 times. 1763208;1514999668;asciilifeform;phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration. 1763209;1514999698;asciilifeform;but yes phf's algo -- worx. 1763210;1514999874;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 << i've been thinking of abolishing the artifact where a 0 stays on the stack after the 'else' branch. it'd require only 1 extra state variable ( a WBool ) 1763211;1514999874;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 17:07 phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack. 1763212;1515001065;ben_vulpes;so i dug this ti-89 platinum out of my closet last night to have something tactile to do arithmetic on and holy shit i'd completely forgotten about the input lag 1763213;1515001097;ben_vulpes;not only that but it doesn't display 8 decimal places naively, and i don't care to figure out how to fixit, so it got binned on the spot. 1763214;1515001106;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: throw out and get normal 89 (blue) or, best , 92 ( cheapo, 20bux or so surplus ) 1763215;1515001577;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i've always liked ~good~ pocket calcs. ( not as a comp replacement, or a head replacement, but exactly as a 'tactile arithmetization' plaything. ) but no good ones have been made in decade+ or i expect ever will be again. 1763216;1515001649;asciilifeform;the ones currently sold are ~= ipnoje-running-emulator, internally ( 32bit 'arm' with 100s of MB of ram -- and doesn't add up to the original's 1980s 68k cpu ) 1763217;1515001772;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-10#1269083 << see also thread. 1763218;1515001772;a111;Logged on 2015-09-10 00:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're mystified as to wtf all of this was, these old gadgets are (literally) 'derive.exe'-in-a-can. 1763219;1515001795;*;asciilifeform discovers that all of the links in that thread, are dead... 1763220;1515001910;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction 1763221;1515001910;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 17:14 asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration. 1763222;1515002002;mircea_popescu;it's rather likely the boys-best-friend calc went exactly the way of lassie. too expensive, and who is the terrorist reminding people that back in the 60s, every boy owned a dog as training for when he'll own a bitch. 1763223;1515002045;asciilifeform;the proximate cause of death was, reportedly, the discontinuation of the jp micropower 68k and accompanying chipset, as that atlantis sank. and not replaced. 1763224;1515002067;mircea_popescu;"lack of demand", in the sense of "demand" that is informed and deliberate. 1763225;1515002072;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform exhaustively scouted the market for any similar item, found 0 ) 1763226;1515002076;mircea_popescu;same reason us never managed to get restaurants as a thing 1763227;1515002199;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763090 << he's just a pretty serious kind of guy. 1763228;1515002199;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 13:55 ReadErr: must be a pretty serious thing if you can afford to do it fulltime for now 1763229;1515002334;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763108 << i had to google the name, ran across principally the picture of an ugly orc thug in one of those university bonnets. why the fuck is a 18yo monkey wearing collegiate apparel, not nearly old enough ? 1763230;1515002334;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 14:01 BingoBoingo: And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war 1763231;1515002343;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763220 << since for some reason nobody's said it yet, i will admit that it is ordinary 'bubble sort' 1763232;1515002343;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 17:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction 1763233;1515002344;mircea_popescu;they mature quicker in the hood or what's being signalled here ? 1763234;1515002368;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's the one. 1763235;1515002417;BingoBoingo;Kid like his weed, was high, aggressed on weak looking suburban cop, got euthanised 1763236;1515002476;BingoBoingo;But the apparel is from his secondary school education. 1763237;1515002497;BingoBoingo;Urban schools put a greater emphasis on the regalia 1763238;1515002587;BingoBoingo;!!up mircea_popescu 1763239;1515002587;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes. 1763240;1515002616;*;asciilifeform begins to suspect that mircea_popescu is a good candidate for that shortwave thing 1763241;1515002810;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, "completed an alternative education program" at normandy high school ? fucking shoot him. o, wait. 1763242;1515002829;mircea_popescu;"amateur musician", check out the thickness of delusion on these people. RAPPERS ARE NOT MUSICIANS OMFG! 1763243;1515002854;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no dood, the usg can turn it off! unlike you know, interwebs. 1763244;1515002869;asciilifeform;lollers 1763245;1515002914;*;asciilifeform calculated that he could, in principle, do 2way 9600 baud with mircea_popescu with <10 watt 1763246;1515002933;phf;kinky 1763247;1515002943;mircea_popescu;now calculate how much the dumbass ciscos burn on javascript-emulated iphone-for-nsa. 1763248;1515002958;mircea_popescu;there's what, a dozen switches in between ? 1763249;1515002966;asciilifeform;aha, we had this thread 1763250;1515002993;asciilifeform;and >dozen . remember, cisco has to put it through london and brisbane... 1763251;1515003010;asciilifeform;( unsurprisingly they don't all show up on traceroute ) 1763252;1515003223;mircea_popescu;phf you know, "kinky" is rapidly becoming a very dirty word, sorta like "moron" ? 99% of my exposure to "kinky" comes from reviewing bot logs, where the pattern is 1. item self-identifies as "kinky" ; 2. bot goes through HELO/EHLO with them, provides entry point ; 3. they come back with "here is my valuation of $entry-point". because totally, anon bitch on meat market is a) in some kind of position of power and b) being asked 1763253;1515003223;mircea_popescu; for her oh-so-precious evaluation of things, that's why the world exists, so she can say "i rate this very good and interesting" ; then there they sit like so many manatees, "i am kinky and what's an entry point?!" 1763254;1515003411;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident. 1763255;1515003411;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 14:12 ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme 1763256;1515003460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i pictured 'knockout' as vaguely like the thing where bratva would 'lose a man at cards' 1763257;1515003487;mircea_popescu;"i was brushing my teeth this morning, officer, and i got distracted by a finger's worth of underboob in that gym advertisment, and so accidentally hit myself in the jaw with the toothrbush and that's the last i remeber! THERE WERE THREE OF THEM AND THEY WERE BLACK!!!1" 1763258;1515003553;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, it's a very genuine social dynamic in monkey society (or "african-american" if you prefer), wherein strength dominates the very crowded quarters they're forced into, but speed is more useful for the group (as seen in ferguson, say). consequently, quick fuckers now and again scurry behind the big kahuna and knock him out, just foer the experience of it. 1763259;1515003622;mircea_popescu;mechanism to "loosen out the pressure", if you will, ie textbook social dynamic. if you want context see ice cube & butt buddy interaction with their landlady's son in that abomination i referenced recently, wtf was it 1763260;1515003659;phf;mircea_popescu: i go to burning man related parties, i'm unfortunately very familiar with what "kink scene" is. at this point using any relevant terminology as applied to self is suspect. 1763261;1515003663;mircea_popescu;"friday after next" 1763262;1515003720;mircea_popescu;phf and when did the ustard female fall into this "everything exists to justify itself to me" trap anyway ? dude! if you're under 30 nobody's going to seek you out to explain lengthy explanation to obtain your permission, what the holy fuck omfg! 1763263;1515003819;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's "school"-induced passivization, "i have to spend twelve hours a day while a bunch of teachers/advertisers/politicans/whatever try their best to summon my attention out of the fatty crevices it hides into" 1763264;1515003838;phf;a country full of enablers 1763265;1515003876;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine who has the energy/resources even. but... 1763266;1515003950;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763141 << the us "lets you" in the same way anyone ever will, drive to the desert and blast away. the only problem is that i'd rate throwing grenades at more annoying (in the sense, you'd have to pay me more to do it) than using a concrete drill/chainsaw for four hours. PER ITEM. even if you have the shoot spiggot on the ak they're a pain in the butt. 1763267;1515003950;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 14:26 ReadErr: i wan to go to a country that lets you toss live grenades 1763268;1515003974;mircea_popescu;nfi who'd throw grenades recreationally, but i suspect the reason it's part of mental diagnosis is because it's so fucking unfun, you have to have serious issues to think otherwise. 1763269;1515004000;mircea_popescu;in there with "i gnaw at my own prepuce and shove nail clippings into my lacrimal ducts" sorta "fun" 1763270;1515004146;asciilifeform;i suspect that almost any chore, in measured doses, is somebody's hobby somewhere. 1763271;1515004167;asciilifeform;( see also the gardening thread.. ) 1763272;1515004294;mircea_popescu;i suppose... 1763273;1515004311;ReadErr;lol nah just from playing games 1763274;1515004326;ReadErr;seems like it would be fun 1763275;1515004327;mircea_popescu;though i also suppose misrepresentation in media has a lot to do with ellaborate misperception. no, if you drop one on your toe you're not going to escape with merely the gift of blindness, "like that guy in scent of a woman". 1763276;1515004352;mircea_popescu;ReadErr it's almost definitionally unfun. "you pressed button X, now you have ten seconds to save your life". hurr. 1763277;1515004357;phf;it's a common redneck activity here, i've been to a desert event where guy was shooting a mortar 1763278;1515004360;ReadErr;oh yea the damage is way less in a game 1763279;1515004378;ReadErr;but the physics of it 1763280;1515004389;ReadErr;i always liked, arc, velocity etc 1763281;1515004390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually frag is very capricious item, 'good rng' , 100+ yrs of credible reports of folx within 'guaranteed corpse' radius, surviving with minor injury 1763282;1515004407;asciilifeform;( granted not at 'dropped on foot' radius ) 1763283;1515004413;mircea_popescu;phf at least mortar is only OCCASIONALLY harmful to the fun seeker. 1763284;1515004424;ReadErr;i cant throw a baseball so id probably die 1763285;1515004425;mircea_popescu;(recall that case of usg "trained" special op dead in mortar "accident" ?) 1763286;1515004450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes yes, wake me up when YOU are the dood they make a film about. 1763287;1515004459;mircea_popescu;capricious is not a good word in this context. 1763288;1515004459;asciilifeform;lol 1763289;1515004501;ReadErr;mircea_popescu: what about a flashbang 1763290;1515004563;phf;asciilifeform: oblig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBuAfIjsFVk&t=1m20s 1763291;1515004678;asciilifeform;lol! 1763292;1515004693;BingoBoingo;! http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident. << In St Louis 1763293;1515004693;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 14:12 ReadErr: probably karma related, he was always trying to scheme 1763294;1515004694;BingoBoingo;not uncommon for the elderly azn shopkeeps to get "knockout game"'d 1763295;1515004807;BingoBoingo;In other news, went to the accountant (very short walk) to sign papers again because... The office of officing things apparently has an anal child thing when it comes to matching signatures 1763296;1515004817;mircea_popescu;ReadErr those are supposed to be safe ; tho you'll prolly lose your lunch 1763297;1515004845;*;mircea_popescu has never tried 1763298;1515004854;asciilifeform;lose eardrums 1763299;1515004862;mircea_popescu;what ? 1763300;1515004866;asciilifeform;'flashbang' 1763301;1515004875;mircea_popescu;did you say something ? 1763302;1515004888;asciilifeform;( beloved plaything of -- at this point -- even smallest american police precinct ) 1763303;1515004890;asciilifeform;aha. 1763304;1515004910;mircea_popescu;ReadErr anyway, if you like arc velocity etc, know you're not the first. the french word is patanque. 1763305;1515004923;mircea_popescu;get yerself some marbles. 1763306;1515004967;phf;exploding marbles! 1763307;1515004979;mircea_popescu;why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ? 1763308;1515004997;BingoBoingo; (recall that case of usg "trained" special op dead in mortar "accident" ?) << There was one of those from the home town. 1 week till his USMC contract expired, mortar exploded in Arizona desert during training exercise 1763309;1515005006;mircea_popescu;why not exploding fossil amber marbles with tyronasauri trapped inside! they could gnaw at your ankles! play it in the bed of a piranha infested river! 1763310;1515005008;mircea_popescu;ADVENTURE!!! 1763311;1515005040;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo iirc these were photographers or something, "will never be forgotten" etc. ofcourse meanwhile... 1763312;1515005044;asciilifeform;stimulation-starved folx are like thirsty in the desert, 'could drink a river!111' 1763313;1515005064;mircea_popescu;ok, but do me a favour, don't drink the whole river at the same time. 1763314;1515005066;phf;mircea_popescu: oblig http://oglaf.com/obituator/ 1763315;1515005086;mircea_popescu;drink it over you know, lifetime. methodically! 1763316;1515005104;mircea_popescu;phf ahaha that thing. "comes alive at night AND FUCKS YOUR WIFE!!!" has endured as a harem ditty. 1763317;1515005114;BingoBoingo; why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ? << Well, what's the next Republican holiday? Gotta challenge the Latino Christmasen. 1763318;1515005265;mircea_popescu;ftr, i think it's bandiDos, bb 1763319;1515005292;mircea_popescu;and of course escalera. 1763320;1515005294;BingoBoingo;ty, fxing 1763321;1515005298;mircea_popescu;aaand... edades 1763322;1515005305;mircea_popescu;three in one title! 1763323;1515005406;mircea_popescu;and you still gotta get the hang of spanish flow. "la noche pasada, nadie robar mi escalara" = "last night, nobody to steal my steer" is funny, but "la noche pasada nadie me robo nada" a little more in the vein of common speech. 1763324;1515005470;mircea_popescu;and wtf ivory bunks you got there. chicago man can't jump ?! 1763325;1515005479;ReadErr;mircea_popescu: bocce ball was my game ;) 1763326;1515005504;ReadErr;not like on the traditional boxes but more freestyle 1763327;1515005505;BingoBoingo;Jumping is not a gringo power. They even made a movie titled "White men can't jump" 1763328;1515005506;mircea_popescu;ah, they have it there too ? so then. 1763329;1515005520;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude when i was your age i jumped INTO a chicks bunk. 1763330;1515005544;asciilifeform;are the bunks 3-level нары in BingoBoingostan , or wat 1763331;1515005557;mircea_popescu;he lives in the tower of song 1763332;1515005560;asciilifeform;the ones asciilifeform slept in at uni dorm were jumpable-IN as well as out 1763333;1515005568;asciilifeform;( with effort ) 1763334;1515005576;mircea_popescu;an' he aches in the places where he used to play. 1763335;1515005584;BingoBoingo;Two level 1763336;1515005643;mircea_popescu;one of my dreams is to one day visit a nubile young woman's place of domicile and discover this slighlty humid cave, with beds piled up like racks, 20 of them on either side. 1763337;1515005661;mircea_popescu;"let me guess, you're top floor ?" "how did you know ?" 1763338;1515005679;BingoBoingo;Well, this slightly humid cave only has 8 1763339;1515005692;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i mean, you know, 20 layers of bunk. 1763340;1515005698;BingoBoingo;Ah 1763341;1515005723;mircea_popescu;maybe the next shoah. 1763342;1515005732;BingoBoingo;Quizas 1763343;1515005843;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/03/better-than-a-store-of-value-g-g-g-gold-makes-for-k-k-k-killer-lapel-pins/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Better than a store of value, g-g-g-gold makes for k-k-k-killer lapel pins. 1763344;1515005865;BingoBoingo;Anyways the overriding concern was the full bladder. Secondary concern is not knowing how long water's been making it through the roof and onto the floor. The parquet routinely gets pulled up by bare feet, which gives me doubts about the subfloor. 1763345;1515005868;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763157 << which is why real men have old iron. 1763346;1515005868;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 16:10 asciilifeform: 'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.' 1763347;1515006561;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1763348;1515006584;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14866.13, vol: 14225.12741100 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14831.0, vol: 50058.28258709 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14959.1, vol: 2964.98727792 | Volume-weighted last average: 14844.0790269 1763349;1515007071;mod6;<+asciilifeform> but yes phf's algo -- worx. << I came up with same: ``<{'_}{_}_ (n-1) 1763350;1515007117;mod6;or the reverse is fine too: ``>{_}{'_}_ (n-1) 1763351;1515007153;mod6;i never did get sha1 of my tape to equal anyone elses that were posted tho 1763352;1515007318;asciilifeform;mod6: phf had comments in his 1763353;1515007334;asciilifeform;so quite unlikely that anybody else's would be exactly same 1763354;1515007347;mod6;ahh 1763355;1515007374;mod6;gotcha, thx 1763356;1515007491;asciilifeform;mod6: see orig in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763192 1763357;1515007491;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 17:06 phf: the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _ 1763358;1515007730;BingoBoingo;!!up Blockhawk 1763359;1515007731;deedbot;Blockhawk voiced for 30 minutes. 1763360;1515007739;BingoBoingo;Blockhawk: WHo is your daddy and what does he do? 1763361;1515008118;Blockhawk;He's an IRC bot and he asks trick questions 1763362;1515008380;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot 1763363;1515008381;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1763364;1515008390;asciilifeform;!A .9.1.7.5.1.1.0`` pantsuit correlation 1763468;1515029252;BingoBoingo;!!up gabriel_laddel 1763469;1515029252;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1763470;1515029256;BingoBoingo;Sup gabriel_laddel 1763471;1515029263;BingoBoingo;Escape KKKalifornia yet? 1763472;1515029266;gabriel_laddel;yea 1763473;1515029278;BingoBoingo; I dunno; wouldn't be a bad thing for someone to investigate if there's a sickly <-> pantsuit correlation << There is 1763474;1515029292;mircea_popescu;lel. "investigation complete." 1763475;1515029304;trinque;lol 1763476;1515029323;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Where did you jailbreak to? 1763477;1515029335;trinque;so maybe the winds blow the shit away from montevideo better. 1763478;1515029336;gabriel_laddel;well actually democrats are less sexually satisfied in day to day life, which ~= sickly 1763479;1515029361;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo Ohio for now, prolly Ky soonish 1763480;1515029370;trinque;gabriel_laddel: got working feet yet? 1763481;1515029413;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Eh, I would have recommended those places to you a few months ago, but seriously just get a place in Ciudad vieja. There's a coworking place near aguada park. 1763482;1515029425;gabriel_laddel;Nope. ISY in Ohio. Saw a COMPETENT WHITE DOCTOR today and got CAT scan + surgery scheduled 1763483;1515029430;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: That'll give us a corridor through the city 1763484;1515029444;trinque;BingoBoingo will put you in a backpack 1763485;1515029467;*;gabriel_laddel is getting photoID etc here in Ohio so can go to SA. 1763486;1515029472;BingoBoingo;Also the people here... Whiter than in Ohio 1763487;1515029545;*;gabriel_laddel doesn't care about 'white', but just so happens WMD (white male doctor) is far more talented than stanford semetic strange 1763488;1515029582;mircea_popescu;jooz make great doctors historically. 1763489;1515029628;gabriel_laddel;semetic strange = paki / nosed indian / arab 1763490;1515029632;*;BingoBoingo only somewhat visually attractive to the local girls for his more northern euro facial features. Once BingoBoingo takes off his shirt and they see the tan lines though... all bets are in BingoBoingo's favor. 1763491;1515029688;*;trinque just had joo oral surgeon chop out wisdom teeth, did a great job 1763492;1515029698;trinque;dude was like 4ft 10in 1763493;1515029754;mircea_popescu;in other holy shit sherlock news, the wind here actually got SO BAD!!! it bust down my door. fucking literally. 1763494;1515029760;gabriel_laddel;lol 1763495;1515029803;mircea_popescu;i thought some idiot actually kicked it, which makes no sense seeing how a few layers of metal grates etc to get to it. but i was like... oook, who dies today. 1763496;1515029830;BingoBoingo; i thought some idiot actually kicked it, which makes no sense seeing how a few layers of metal grates etc to get to it. but i was like... oook, who dies today. << AHA metal grates everywhere here too! 1763497;1515029846;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes is there some way to search wotpaste for "sb-c::info" 1763498;1515029880;gabriel_laddel;I dropped some code in there I'd like to not rewrite. Destroyed old machines on traintracks before leaving CA... 1763499;1515029882;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo this is a normal people wooden door, up on a ledge. whatevs. 1763500;1515029893;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel kept the paste 5-letter id then ? 1763501;1515029903;gabriel_laddel;nope 1763502;1515029914;mircea_popescu;pastes die in a week... 1763503;1515029919;gabriel_laddel;I can get it from customer was pasting to then 1763504;1515030003;BingoBoingo;trinque: How do you know that wasn't a leprachaun pretending to be pete's peeple? 1763505;1515030029;mircea_popescu;what, after the pout of gold ? 1763506;1515030048;BingoBoingo;You know... Big texas trinque with his big gold teeth 1763507;1515030191;gabriel_laddel;sam hyde 1763508;1515030191;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: no 1763509;1515030203;ben_vulpes;you did what now? 1763510;1515030266;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes I destroyed my machines, usb sticks using the BART track before leaving. recover my harddrive bitches. 1763511;1515030283;ben_vulpes;dude... 1763512;1515030304;*;gabriel_laddel has new inventory in CA, new machine here, no biggie 1763513;1515030435;BingoBoingo;BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 1763514;1515030466;BingoBoingo;Why not Union Pacific. Heavier trains delete more securely 1763515;1515030483;gabriel_laddel;the party was in the train tunnels! 1763516;1515030530;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: You know if you come to Montevideo... They'll have an expocannabis again and you could actually be there this time. 1763517;1515030569;gabriel_laddel;ty but no pot for me. stim convention where and when, im there then. 1763518;1515030592;BingoBoingo;Ah, apparently the shit the kids chew is coca leaves. 1763519;1515030600;gabriel_laddel;which, incidentally, do they market crystal or "work" to you at all down there? 1763520;1515030608;BingoBoingo;Also Yerba's got a bit of a different kick than coffee 1763521;1515030641;BingoBoingo;Down here people tend not to market hard drugs to the gringo that doesn't drink or smoke pot. 1763522;1515030706;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: leaves not enough on their own, gotta throw in some of the magic dirt too 1763523;1515030728;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: By kids I mean the small homeless children. 1763524;1515030763;ben_vulpes;'magic' just means alkaline; necessary to make the reaction run. 1763525;1515030780;ben_vulpes;holy hell someone set off an alarm at a construction site down the street and now i cannot think through the blaring 1763526;1515030799;gabriel_laddel;pity. I was going to ask you what you know about there coca plants. 1763527;1515030822;BingoBoingo;Ah, here it is normal for the garage doors to be hooked up to sirens that sound when cars attempt to join traffic 1763528;1515030881;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: My impression is that in south america people with money generally only talk about their knowledge of hard drug markets within their wot 1763529;1515030946;BingoBoingo;Perhaps there are exceptions, but... No reason to let USG get free intel 1763530;1515031082;BingoBoingo;!!up gabriel_laddel 1763531;1515031082;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1763532;1515031127;trinque;gabriel_laddel: if you were capable, you might review your own logs and notice that you talk about lisp less and this nonsense more. 1763533;1515031135;trinque;curious thing! 1763534;1515031208;gabriel_laddel;sigh what would you like to know about my lisp trinque 1763535;1515031230;trinque;!!v 781F6BC7DD99DBA3C2E0E8FBAA91B926DB2427586871D357AB5C2BCA72A8F55C 1763536;1515031230;deedbot;trinque rated gabriel_laddel -3 << vapid addict 1763537;1515031299;gabriel_laddel;dumbass. the reason I say nothing is because there is nothing to say about it other than "WIP". What, you need to hear about how pleased I am with (ALIAS 'f 'cl::defun)? gtfo' 1763538;1515031407;mircea_popescu;nothwithstanding that bb opened the pot talk, there's the problem that if i want to point to something to explain what you do to an innocent third party, i don't know where to, gabriel_laddel 1763539;1515031438;gabriel_laddel;trinque are there some local kids I can pay to ship me some senegalia berlandie? 1763540;1515031468;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu can show them this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1QlEJ-2Gho 1763541;1515031488;gabriel_laddel;Daniel can be seen for sales. He has right of way to sell M as he sees fit. 1763542;1515031607;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel dja see how this is rather in the vein of asciilifeform "future of internet" png ? 1763543;1515031630;gabriel_laddel;no? explain please? 1763544;1515031670;mircea_popescu;consider the discussion with phf ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760915 ) 1763545;1515031670;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839 1763546;1515031699;mircea_popescu;i can't, on the basis of that video, infer anything beyond, "hey, if we ever want to upload a youtube video with apologies about some software, maybe gabriel_laddel is free" 1763547;1515031838;gabriel_laddel;well for one, I'm not really prepared to sell M to the mass market & recently reached the conclusion that CLIM is backwards in a few fixable ways. #1, commands are to be computed by code walking rather than define-command & by using (declare) and FUNCTION-LAMBDA-LIST 1763548;1515031896;mircea_popescu;yes, but did you follow either asciilifeform or diana_coman 's approach to a very similar problem ? 1763549;1515031918;mircea_popescu;to wit, "computer algebra is broken in a few fixable ways" ; "digital cryptography is broken in a few fixable ways" ? 1763550;1515031949;gabriel_laddel;FTR: what I bring to the table is the closest thing to LISPM available, and direction + productive discussion for those already down the rabbit hole. Non-alices need not apply. 1763551;1515031974;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I have not followed anything diana_coman has done, whatsoever. 1763552;1515031990;gabriel_laddel;will read her blog in full tonight tho 1763553;1515032017;mircea_popescu;well, either / both of them work for the purpose here. 1763554;1515032157;mircea_popescu;in other words : republican methodology for improving software, that was slowly swirling towards systematisation down the drain of v turned exponential / made some major breakthroughs in the past six weeks or so. 1763555;1515032192;mircea_popescu;many problems that previously had poor or altogether no solution are essentially resolved now as a result. 1763556;1515032236;gabriel_laddel;I am catching up on logs now, but until now have not bought into V whatsoever. 1763557;1515032304;gabriel_laddel;In my mind, lispm, or interlisp editor + fixed clim comes first. hence, have been following that route 1763558;1515032349;mircea_popescu;well, that's the fundamental problem here, you were left stranded. 1763559;1515032627;gabriel_laddel;eh, the rabbit tunnels will connect. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745646 is my motto & the world is a small place 1763560;1515032627;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 22:16 mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY! 1763561;1515032705;mircea_popescu;yes, but until they do so connect you are at risk of "wtf is this and why is it in my feed" beheading. 1763562;1515032780;gabriel_laddel;acknowledged. 1763563;1515032837;gabriel_laddel;am trying to get passport so I can just show YOU rather than fking around with low-fidelity comms 1763564;1515033509;mircea_popescu;!!up Troika 1763565;1515033510;deedbot;Troika voiced for 30 minutes. 1763566;1515033512;mircea_popescu;!!up gabriel_laddel 1763567;1515033512;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1763568;1515033663;Troika;Can one create a new WOT identity? For purposes of paying "corporate tax/tithe" to TMSR, as opposed to an individual WOT identity. 1763569;1515033677;mircea_popescu;why would these be separate ? 1763570;1515033745;Troika;In case the business changes hands or similar. 1763571;1515033765;mircea_popescu;it's personal tax, if the business changes hands you realise whatever you realise and that's that. 1763572;1515033816;Troika;Alright thanks -- back to lurking now, keep up the good work. 1763573;1515033839;mircea_popescu;to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign. 1763574;1515034265;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763541 << sure, send me some and i'll see what i can do 1763575;1515034265;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 02:04 gabriel_laddel: Daniel can be seen for sales. He has right of way to sell M as he sees fit. 1763576;1515034464;gabriel_laddel;thats a damn good idea, I was referring to DanG who hosted the youtube video tho 1763577;1515034484;danielpbarron;!!reputation DangG 1763578;1515034486;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1b7VF/?raw=true 1763579;1515034496;gabriel_laddel;danielpbarron where are you located? I'm in cincy getting a job now to pay for some flights to see people like you 1763580;1515034509;danielpbarron;i'm in connecticut 1763581;1515034565;gabriel_laddel;aite. see you in next ~6 months. what city 1763582;1515034633;danielpbarron;no assurance i'll be in ct in 6 months 1763583;1515034641;danielpbarron;i'm in westbrook 1763584;1515034790;danielpbarron;but i can meet wherever as long as you give me some notice 1763585;1515034793;danielpbarron;i'll even buy you dinner 1763586;1515034817;gabriel_laddel;if you want to drop by out here, im in forest park 1763587;1515034839;danielpbarron;prolly not. 1763588;1515034858;gabriel_laddel;ticket is like240 so I'll see about signing bonus and then first weekend of job 1763589;1515035301;danielpbarron;!!up BigTexasBingo 1763590;1515035301;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. 1763591;1515035331;danielpbarron;!!up gabriel_laddel 1763592;1515035332;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1763593;1515035345;BigTexasBingo;Yo tengo que hacer numero dos porque bebo mucho cafe. Anyways passport was not hard to get in the end. 1763594;1515035418;BigTexasBingo;Also probably best to sync long to brain before Costa Rica less all the Usted there feed your ego. 1763595;1515035572;BigTexasBingo;And the go to line "Para vos no soy tu. Yo soy usted" could be more likely to get you stabbed 1763596;1515035859;BigTexasBingo;Anyways gotta put ideas into text or else you keep getting greeted with "How are drugs today" 1763597;1515035871;BigTexasBingo;Me voy 1763598;1515035887;gabriel_laddel;I did. Nobody grokked. ARSTTEP. 1763599;1515042967;ReadErr;hello 1763600;1515042973;mircea_popescu;hey 1763601;1515043146;ReadErr;woke up late, cold weather does that to me 1763602;1515044095;phf;asciilifeform: https://www.geopolitica.ru/article/gorizont-idealnoy-imperii 1763603;1515044566;asciilifeform;phf: strooong lsd... 1763604;1515044569;phf;:D 1763605;1515044713;ReadErr;I need some LSD to be able to read this 1763606;1515044879;phf;"doctor, will i be able to play violin after surgery?" "i don't see why not" "are you sure?" "i'm certain" "that's odd, i couldn't play violin before" 1763607;1515049220;mircea_popescu;o look, ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap on that geopolitica."ru" item. don't tell me it's 100% more of the same old http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 / http://trilema.com/2017/datamarylandgov/#footnote_0_76632 ! 1763608;1515049220;a111;Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp. 1763609;1515049261;mircea_popescu;or are we rather going with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759970 1763610;1515049261;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 23:42 phf: zavalashin is another old timer, the piece in question is his only contribution to forbse 1763611;1515050115;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-502494.txt 1763612;1515050372;ReadErr;whats the trigger 1763613;1515050376;ReadErr;of those msgs 1763614;1515050384;ReadErr;just sync'ing data? 1763615;1515050386;mircea_popescu;if bot sees a log line it reads it out 1763616;1515050404;ReadErr;ohh I see 1763617;1515050477;lobbes;!!invoice Birdman 0.00224535 http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-1.txt 1763618;1515050482;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NO3wI/?raw=true 1763619;1515050510;lobbes;!!v FC8021469BE8CD2A3781D12B6ACE04ADC5BF3E9AC9A844C08B0FE15A825D2F74 1763620;1515050775;trinque;lobbes: somehow he's in both deedbot and wallet as lowercase. 1763621;1515050833;lobbes;odd.. 1763622;1515050840;lobbes;!!key birdman 1763623;1515050841;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/2B2DC64A8C3DBD14024A610343C14A4124F48195.asc 1763624;1515050853;trinque;deedbot is case insensitive; wallet ought to be but isn't. 1763625;1515050855;trinque;one sec. 1763626;1515050906;trinque;lobbes: give it another crank; I've updated him to the casing he uses 1763627;1515050946;lobbes;k. should I set up a new invoice or just resend the !!v ? 1763628;1515050973;trinque;whole thing again please 1763629;1515050979;lobbes;!!invoice Birdman 0.00224535 http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-1.txt 1763630;1515050983;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1DdSu/?raw=true 1763631;1515051009;lobbes;!!v 11FA4EE5663EAB921AF1AE7B246BA6310B86BFD7E077B70F06A6F77A013AAA2E 1763632;1515051012;deedbot;Invoiced Birdman 0.00224535 << http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-1.txt 1763633;1515051025;lobbes;nice 1763634;1515051088;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1763635;1515051095;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14853.01, vol: 12958.33787145 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14832.0, vol: 40432.6221283 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14961.3, vol: 2740.43955485 | Volume-weighted last average: 14843.1629768 1763636;1515051099;mircea_popescu;!~calc 0.00224535 * 14843.1629768 1763637;1515051100;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 0.00224535 * 14843.1629768 = 33.32809598995788 1763638;1515051177;trinque;there's a cheap meal down there in the decimals 1763639;1515051189;mircea_popescu;aha 1763640;1515051273;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749770 << the improbability grins again 1763641;1515051273;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 03:46 mircea_popescu: seems so improbable. 1763642;1515051298;mircea_popescu;word 1763643;1515051316;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q4/diana_coman_payment_receipt.txt 1763644;1515051321;deedbot;accepted: 1 1763645;1515051327;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q4/mircea_popescu_payment_receipt.txt 1763646;1515051332;deedbot;accepted: 1 1763647;1515051776;ReadErr;lol neat, receipts 1763648;1515051798;ReadErr;what kind of things do yall auction ? 1763649;1515051886;lobbes;mostly is items found in the game Eulora. But just recently this was auctioned: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-12-18.log.html#t20:44:22 1763650;1515051887;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-12-18 20:44:22: AUCTION # 163 has ENDED: The very notebook displayed in http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ ! Free shipping anywhere in the world included. SOLD to danielpbarron for 1mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu 1763651;1515051908;lobbes;I think that may have been the first non-game item auctioned with an actual sale 1763652;1515051929;lobbes;no takers on danielpbarron's FG 1763653;1515051945;lobbes;(I figure this is because most here, already own one or more) 1763654;1515052013;ReadErr;FG ? 1763655;1515052043;lobbes;!#s FUCKGOATS 1763656;1515052044;a111;249 results for "FUCKGOATS", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=FUCKGOATS 1763657;1515052207;lobbes;see also: https://archive.is/CwtVn 1763658;1515052222;ReadErr;ohhh the board that asciilifeform made 1763659;1515052264;ReadErr;gotcha 1763660;1515073247;asciilifeform;dafuq, lobbes , why linked a 2016 prerelease fg www snapshot ? 1763661;1515073313;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762790 << the last copy before destruction of dulap-II 1763662;1515073313;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 05:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762753 << >> https://archive.is/CGQkR 1763663;1515076418;BingoBoingo;In other discoveries, the little ice cream cones filled with dulce de leche. Very decadent 1763664;1515076635;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763550 << ftr, it's high time for gabriel_laddel to grasp that his item has less to do with actual lispm than a stuffed dog has with a live one 1763665;1515076635;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 02:12 gabriel_laddel: FTR: what I bring to the table is the closest thing to LISPM available, and direction + productive discussion for those already down the rabbit hole. Non-alices need not apply. 1763666;1515076796;asciilifeform;the funny bit is that gabriel_laddel came pretty close to building something like cuntoo (i.e. a sanely depythonized gentoo) ; which would've been useful and respectable 1763667;1515076846;asciilifeform;but instead veered into... what, exactly. 1763668;1515076918;asciilifeform;not, certainly, a lispm. any moar than old rusty toyota with the holes caulked, and oars fitted, is a boat . 1763669;1515077043;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1763670;1515077056;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14589.0, vol: 13413.26748573 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14501.0, vol: 43217.36599313 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14700.5, vol: 3141.77712317 | Volume-weighted last average: 14531.2338831 1763671;1515077198;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763607 << nope. better even. it was dugin, and crossed auto-parody horizon 1763672;1515077198;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 07:00 mircea_popescu: o look, ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap on that geopolitica."ru" item. don't tell me it's 100% more of the same old http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 / http://trilema.com/2017/datamarylandgov/#footnote_0_76632 ! 1763673;1515077380;BingoBoingo; not, certainly, a lispm. any moar than old rusty toyota with the holes caulked, and oars fitted, is a boat . << Well, hazard of desyncing is ending up on the caulk chain 1763674;1515077395;ReadErr;is there anywhere one could read about this overthrowing the gov plan 1763675;1515077405;ReadErr;that danielpbarron spoke of 1763676;1515077430;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763557 << at this point i'm quite convinced that you can't 'fix clim'. any more than 'fix' winblowz 1763677;1515077430;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 02:18 gabriel_laddel: In my mind, lispm, or interlisp editor + fixed clim comes first. hence, have been following that route 1763678;1515077452;asciilifeform;it's a multilayered clusterfuck. 1763679;1515077503;danielpbarron;ReadErr, this channel's logs, trilema.com, or any other the other blogs by lords 1763680;1515077511;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the hazard is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761834 1763681;1515077511;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 16:39 mircea_popescu: don't lie, because if you do you form a sort of mental habit that will prevent you from ever inventing anything. 1763682;1515077526;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that's what did him in. 1763683;1515077543;asciilifeform;he was willing to lie to self re 'clim on linux is a lispm' 1763684;1515077548;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA, caulk chain! 1763685;1515077572;BingoBoingo;Where the lie that the filler is the structure! 1763686;1515077578;ReadErr;danielpbarron: ? 1763687;1515077605;asciilifeform;'hardware isn't easy to build therefore couldn't possibly be necessary, the gods would not have made this level so hard, for me, the hero' or similar. 1763688;1515077606;danielpbarron;ReadErr, i don't know that we want to "overthrow" the usg. more like, do our own thing in opposition to them, and eventually hang the bureaucrats 1763689;1515077657;ReadErr;like your own sovereign nation ? 1763690;1515077665;danielpbarron;yeah don't you see the topic 1763691;1515077675;ReadErr;oh lol 1763692;1515077683;ReadErr;nah i didnt until now 1763693;1515077828;asciilifeform;ReadErr: are you familiar with the relationship between bitcoin and the empire ? 1763694;1515077844;ReadErr;i am not yet, no 1763695;1515077853;ReadErr;was curious to see more 1763696;1515077859;asciilifeform;ReadErr: it's not wholly unlike the one between mercury and airplane . 1763697;1515077868;ReadErr;amalgamations 1763698;1515077993;asciilifeform;the effect of understanding exactly why this is so, is not unlike the effect on child of learning arithmetic 1763699;1515078034;ReadErr;apparently adults need to relearn arithmetic these days, with the 'new math' they are using 1763700;1515078080;asciilifeform;!~google lehrer new math 1763701;1515078081;jhvh1;asciilifeform: new math by tom lehrer - YouTube: ; Tom Lehrer - New Math Lyrics | MetroLyrics: ; Tom Lehrer - Wikipedia: 1763702;1515078087;asciilifeform;^ obligatory 1763703;1515078150;ReadErr;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWaJ0sy03g 1763704;1515078173;asciilifeform;anyway, some starting points : there are two types of money. bitcoin, and printolade 1763705;1515078185;asciilifeform;!#s printolade 1763706;1515078185;a111;55 results for "printolade", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=printolade 1763707;1515078294;ReadErr;hmm so a printing medium 1763708;1515078399;ReadErr;not gonna lie, im lost as to what printolade is 1763709;1515078470;asciilifeform;!#s fiatola 1763710;1515078471;a111;57 results for "fiatola", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fiatola 1763711;1515078473;asciilifeform;^ aka. 1763712;1515078588;danielpbarron;ReadErr, "money" that is printed. nothing to back it (not that money must be backed) 1763713;1515078615;ReadErr;gotcha 1763714;1515078618;danielpbarron;i can see a world in which local banks print notes backed by bitcoin, but the bitcoin itself is not backed 1763715;1515078634;ReadErr;well that wouldnt be any different than today 1763716;1515078637;ReadErr;with usd 1763717;1515078645;asciilifeform;'backing' is a red herring. 1763718;1515078655;danielpbarron;yeah i don't know how else to put it 1763719;1515078678;asciilifeform;the sole hinge is the question of whether somebody can arbitrarily create the item out of thin air at no cost to himself. 1763720;1515078679;danielpbarron;ReadErr, it's a lot different. there is no limit to how many dollars get printed 1763721;1515078702;ReadErr;printolade is a finite resource then ? 1763722;1515078725;danielpbarron;it's finite in the sense that they eventually print so much it isn't worth anything anymore 1763723;1515078771;asciilifeform;printolade is a device for 'bloodless', quiet remote theft. 1763724;1515078811;ReadErr;theft of immaterial things ? 1763725;1515078821;asciilifeform;theft of everything. 1763726;1515078843;asciilifeform;when you sell something for, e.g., dollar, you are in effect giving it away to the folks with the printing press. 1763727;1515078909;ReadErr;i would have thought it would be a redistribution 1763728;1515078943;asciilifeform;in exactly same sense that a hood rat stealing your car will say he 'was effecting redistribution'. 1763729;1515078978;ReadErr;but if i sell you a loaf of bread for a dollar 1763730;1515078992;ReadErr;and you arent printing the currency 1763731;1515079006;ReadErr;how does that go back to the printers 1763732;1515079014;ReadErr;theres still the same amount in the system 1763733;1515079080;ReadErr;hmm 1763734;1515079089;asciilifeform;~they~ print. and use the printolade to organize massive pyramid-building projects (e.g. the infamous 'battleship' that clogged the panama canal last year) and breed armies of idiots. 1763735;1515079122;ReadErr;something just kinda clicked in my head 1763736;1515079131;asciilifeform;the existence of the printing press is quite analogous to a short circuit, or memory leak, or other undesirable non-closures of systems in engineering. 1763737;1515079190;ReadErr;that people have to expend energy/effort to get a dollar, but nothing is required to put that dollar into circulation 1763738;1515079197;asciilifeform;aaha. 1763739;1515079219;shinohai;Congratulations, you now understand PoW 1763740;1515079234;ReadErr;PoW? 1763741;1515079247;shinohai;Proof of work 1763742;1515079253;ReadErr;ohh gotcha 1763743;1515079339;ReadErr;so by your design how would this work 1763744;1515079959;asciilifeform;ReadErr: bitcoin already exists, and works. and it is worth learning how. 1763745;1515080009;asciilifeform;!~later tell spyked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026&cpage=1#comment-18564 1763746;1515080009;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1763747;1515080111;ReadErr;but how would that work in a closed loop system 1763748;1515080485;BingoBoingo;BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2018/01/04/professor-learns-student-reading-book-he-finds-reprehensible-opinion << "So Al had read the Bible at my suggestion and also, I remembered, my bible, Anna Karenina, and now he was reading Mein Kampf. Our happy reunion had gone down the sewer." 1763749;1515081041;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763607 << it's the "let's encrypt" registrar, it started in 2016 so the certs are missing on old deployments 1763750;1515081041;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 07:00 mircea_popescu: o look, ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap on that geopolitica."ru" item. don't tell me it's 100% more of the same old http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 / http://trilema.com/2017/datamarylandgov/#footnote_0_76632 ! 1763751;1515081231;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763609 << not sure Dugin falls into either category, he's one of the "national bolshevik party" leaders, and wikipedia is eager to point out that he's a "fascist!11" and calls to hasten "end of times" with "all-out war", but linked piece is just lulzy in its Vladimir Sorokin slavic nationalist futurism 1763752;1515081231;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 07:01 mircea_popescu: or are we rather going with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759970 1763753;1515081313;phf;heh "Classification of Dugin as a fascist is justified, regardless of the fact that today the MGU professor frequently speaks not as a primitive ethnocentrist or biological racist. (...) By «fascist» we understand the «generic» meaning of the concept, used in comparatory research of contemporary right-wing extremism by such well-known historians-comparativists [etc.] 1763754;1515081835;mircea_popescu;aand in other items of no particular interest, https://archive.nyafuu.org/bant/thread/3590513/ 1763755;1515081878;mircea_popescu;phf im not sure what you're saying. 1763756;1515081879;ReadErr;asciilifeform: well lmk later if you get time im curious to hear more 1763757;1515081924;mircea_popescu;but menawhile in bimbo, http://78.media.tumblr.com/fd77583d87dfb0ee9fb6051ba2875ec9/tumblr_n8pvn8gvg21r4ql18o1_1280.jpg 1763758;1515082053;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763664 << i dunno man ; stuffed slut has a lot more to do with real woman than the unstuffed pantsuit version. 1763759;1515082053;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 14:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763550 << ftr, it's high time for gabriel_laddel to grasp that his item has less to do with actual lispm than a stuffed dog has with a live one 1763760;1515082077;mircea_popescu;some things just need stuffin'. 1763761;1515082110;ReadErr;stacked 1763762;1515082239;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763671 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752094 or something. 1763763;1515082239;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 14:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763607 << nope. better even. it was dugin, and crossed auto-parody horizon 1763764;1515082239;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 02:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1752059 << hey, assets gotta ass-et. 1763765;1515082326;ReadErr;she could have it. 1763766;1515082456;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dugin is a limonov-like figure, except with moar 'book-larnin''-flavour. if he's an asset, somebody's burning dough for naught. 1763767;1515082483;asciilifeform;iirc d00d is a court jester for putin. 1763768;1515082509;ReadErr;wild stuff happening in the news today 1763769;1515082509;mircea_popescu;well, there's two kinds of identities in this world : keys and brands. 1763770;1515082543;mircea_popescu;and brands are always someone's asset ; no corporation yet owned itself, now did it ? 1763771;1515082609;asciilifeform;re news, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762316 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763152 >> culmination , https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/04/intel_amd_arm_cpu_vulnerability << embargo leaked 1763772;1515082609;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 15:37 asciilifeform: 'With the page table splitting patches merged, it becomes necessary for the kernel to flush these caches every time the kernel begins executing, and every time user code resumes executing. For some workloads, the effective total loss of the TLB lead around every system call leads to highly visible slowdowns: @grsecurity measured a simple case where Linux “du -s” suffered a 50% slowdown on a 1763773;1515082609;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 16:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, intel ceo sells 100% of the stock his contract permitted him to sell ( and even filed the mandatory usg report to hitler, hence how it came out ) 1763774;1515082652;ReadErr;lol 50% slowdown 1763775;1515082657;ReadErr;jfc 1763776;1515082659;mircea_popescu;i thought it leaked days ago, "keep open drm bank via one address at max cycle" ? 1763777;1515082684;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was disinfo 1763778;1515082691;asciilifeform;turns out, speculative branching fail. 1763779;1515082698;mircea_popescu;ah the predictive cache bs ? 1763780;1515082731;asciilifeform;aha 1763781;1515082775;ReadErr;https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948934683408072704 The attorney general will scrap Obama-era rules that mandated hands-off approach to states' marijuana-friendly laws, source says http://cnn.it/2AozLtv 1763782;1515082784;ReadErr;about to be a big state 1763783;1515082788;ReadErr;states right issue 1763784;1515082887;asciilifeform;https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-responds-to-security-research-findings << intel immediately rolls out snowjob 1763785;1515082902;mircea_popescu;ReadErr hey, make laws about how niggers don't need to make the grade to qualify, end up with worst president of worlds' history, confirm bias in they biased against all blacks and have to undo all his idiotic "reforms" at considerable cost. 1763786;1515082904;asciilifeform;'However, Intel is making this statement today because of the current inaccurate media reports.' << didjaknow. 1763787;1515082910;mircea_popescu;nobody said "affirmative action" is free. 1763788;1515082974;ReadErr;mircea_popescu: i wasnt thinking about it like that, more so how much overreach does the current bighand have over the little hand 1763789;1515082982;ReadErr;for other issues 1763790;1515083010;mircea_popescu;considering the states attempts to print money work as well as california's at best... 1763791;1515083011;mircea_popescu;0. 1763792;1515083082;ReadErr;money will play a huge part for sure 1763793;1515083092;mircea_popescu;what else plays parts ? 1763794;1515083127;ReadErr;hmm well in regards to other issues it may not be based on money 1763795;1515083132;ReadErr;but it could be moral/faith 1763796;1515083138;mircea_popescu;dude... 1763797;1515083161;ReadErr;im just thinking like abortion & religion 1763798;1515083210;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "morals" or "faith". you got a population of caged rats -- if the mysterious feeder person shows up in the morning they eat ; if not, they starve. they've been caged long enough for the the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America" to consist of 1001 ways to navelgraze. 1763799;1515083284;mircea_popescu;in this competition, inept foreigners (as in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745682 ) credit a certain item, which happens to be the fed trade account ; usg controls that -- the stated of * does not. that is the whole and complete story -- whatever usg says state, corporation, individual does. 1763800;1515083284;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 22:32 mircea_popescu: BECAUSE http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-103.0-103.28 THEREFORE "us empire" 1763801;1515083291;mircea_popescu;that is why it is the evil empire in the first fucking place. 1763802;1515083355;ReadErr;curious to see how it plays out 1763803;1515083376;mircea_popescu;(because unearned "income" corrupts, fundamentally. notice the torrents of "let's make sure we're worthy of manna from heavens" supposed "legislation" in the past decades.) 1763804;1515083479;ReadErr;thats why i was curious how an ideal world would work 1763805;1515083484;ReadErr;or system rather 1763806;1515083496;mircea_popescu;ReadErr the funniest bit, to me, is that this lets-call-it-challenge to empire comes from the exact area fallout predicted, "drugs and slavetrade" (to not say i predicted, mexican cartels finally strong enough to take usg apart). the reason this is funny is because the collapsing roman empire was challenged over -- "the right to counterfit"! 1763807;1515083497;ReadErr;how is work and money introduced 1763808;1515083542;mircea_popescu;ie, romans were ~trying~ to build the exact system roosevelt built! but lacking in comms and banking, they didn't manage. usg -- did manage, what comes now down the road is... 1763809;1515083582;ReadErr;so do you see things getting better or worse 1763810;1515083586;ReadErr;in the current climate 1763811;1515083596;mircea_popescu;what's better, what's worse, and for whom ? 1763812;1515083613;ReadErr;better/worse being an opinion 1763813;1515083620;ReadErr;or closer/further from your ideal system 1763814;1515083626;mircea_popescu;i expect things are going to only get better, for us. for everyone else -- http://trilema.com/2016/i-am-firmly-against-universal-franchise/ 1763815;1515083643;mircea_popescu;and, of course, http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ 1763816;1515083780;ReadErr;interesting you say sell the bottom 1/3rd 1763817;1515083794;ReadErr;i figured it would be become/sell/dispose 1763818;1515083806;mircea_popescu;well, if there's no buyers... 1763819;1515083838;ReadErr;that would be the only way to drive the equilibrium in the direction you want 1763820;1515083842;mircea_popescu;there's also http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-125.0-133.670 and so on. 1763821;1515083890;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true 1763822;1515083925;mircea_popescu;towards the end i wanted to link a primer, much in the vein of "here's how to eulora" or gentoo or etcetera : "here's why you are intolerably dumb and how to stop being intolerably dumb ; a guide for pantsuit chickies". 1763823;1515083932;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna write it ? 1763824;1515083965;ReadErr;"not to mention the slavegirls at home." 1763825;1515083966;ReadErr;lol 1763826;1515083972;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1763827;1515083978;ReadErr;in your link 1763828;1515083984;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1763829;1515084004;ReadErr;they asked what you do 1763830;1515084011;ReadErr;"the slavegirls at home" 1763831;1515084011;mircea_popescu;i know what's in the paste lol. 1763832;1515084015;ReadErr;just thought it was funny 1763833;1515084017;ReadErr;is all 1763834;1515084024;mircea_popescu;oic! 1763835;1515084091;ReadErr;this is a lot to take in, depth wise 1763836;1515084105;mircea_popescu;that's what she said! 1763837;1515084109;ReadErr;lol 1763838;1515084344;ReadErr;im honestly surprised no country as started farming humans yet 1763839;1515084354;ReadErr;publicly 1763840;1515084420;BingoBoingo;!!up ag3nt_zer0 1763841;1515084420;deedbot;ag3nt_zer0 voiced for 30 minutes. 1763842;1515084421;ReadErr; just came up while reading 1763843;1515084431;phf;mircea_popescu: i was trying to do a quick likbez on why the linked article might be funny, i believe we used to do a disclaimer, for expert entomologist only 1763844;1515084439;BingoBoingo;ReadErr: What do you think the history of China is? 1763845;1515084455;BingoBoingo;The uniform consistency etc, it's like other agrobiz 1763846;1515084476;ag3nt_zer0;thx BingoBoingo... good morning and happy new year TMSR 1763847;1515084485;mircea_popescu;same to you 1763848;1515084492;BingoBoingo;de nada ag3nt_zer0 1763849;1515084552;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763674 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758470 1763850;1515084552;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 14:49 ReadErr: is there anywhere one could read about this overthrowing the gov plan 1763851;1515084552;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 18:07 mircea_popescu: so, to get on the same page here, the general strategy is, 1. construct undisruptable comms ; 2. disrupt usg&friends comms ; 3. disrupt usg&friends physical presence. 1763852;1515084586;ReadErr;BingoBoingo: I mean in the sense that 1763853;1515084594;ReadErr;if I wanted a kidney tomorrow 1763854;1515084602;BingoBoingo;Dude, China 1763855;1515084603;ReadErr;I could send them $ and it would be here 1763856;1515084612;ReadErr;they do this out in the open? 1763857;1515084623;mircea_popescu;ReadErr don't break up your logical sentences, it's unseemly. people read whole lines, you don[t have to make a saladpoem out of your thoughts. 1763858;1515084631;BingoBoingo;Well no, nobody outside TMST does anything out in the open 1763859;1515084645;ReadErr;ah sorry yea its an old chat habit 1763860;1515084647;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fireworks! definitionally in the open! 1763861;1515084667;mircea_popescu;ReadErr you know who has the same habit ? 1763862;1515084669;*;BingoBoingo rereading La Florida and lolling 1763863;1515084689;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo DID YOU EVER IMAGINE WHEN FIRST READING THAT SOON ENOUGH!!!1...!11!! ??? 1763864;1515084724;BingoBoingo;4SRS!!!!! Who could have predicted I'd move to ALTgentina 1763865;1515084724;ReadErr;BingoBoingo: but why wouldnt they 1763866;1515084726;mircea_popescu;trilema is like that thing from the matrix, one minute you're swallowing something, the next minute you're fucking a bulky black dude with shaved head AND ENJOYING IT!!!1 1763867;1515084784;BingoBoingo;ReadErr: Why are so called houses in the US built like movie sets, unlike houses in rich countries liek Uruguay that use Concrete? 1763868;1515084793;mircea_popescu;ReadErr if you want the use of a twat, you can go to your local twatspensary, it's 20 bux or w/e. if you want organs (to eat, to transplant, whatever) it's like 50k a pop or so, they do it in most countries ; if you want... what exactly do you want ? 1763869;1515084825;mircea_popescu;humans have been for rent, sale, wholesale etcetera since the dawn of civilisation ; in no small part because THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT ; and what civilisation even means. 1763870;1515084828;ReadErr;mircea_popescu: I dont deny that it happens but rather wonder why its not advertised and sold 1763871;1515084843;ReadErr;it seems like it would be a very profitable venture 1763872;1515084849;mircea_popescu;ReadErr when's the last time a veyron/fighter jet etc was advertised TO YOU ? 1763873;1515084854;ReadErr;with the current market anyways 1763874;1515084866;ReadErr;mircea_popescu: fair point 1763875;1515084869;mircea_popescu;you're not in the right vertical ; are you going to deduce by this "hey, fighters are not sold -- nobody spams me offers for them" ? 1763876;1515084889;mircea_popescu;there were a lotta muppets with the whole "who buys mpex seats" issue back in the day also ; it's a poor people's limited universe problem. 1763877;1515084933;BingoBoingo; ReadErr when's the last time a veyron/fighter jet etc was advertised TO YOU ? << The last time a Buggatti was marketed to me was about ~45 minutes ago when I went to Tienda Inglesa for Chocolate milk. Here Bugatti markets... High end asado tools. 1763878;1515084945;ReadErr;I suppose money does open any door at some point 1763879;1515084952;mircea_popescu;ReadErr and ironically enough, take an item such as say http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514478 -- it's right there, begging to be bought. but... 1763880;1515084952;a111;Logged on 2016-08-04 14:47 mircea_popescu: well, by far the cheapest masquerade of a solution is spending the 45mn or so to buy a junky old tanker and be happy. 1763881;1515085002;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo which, believe it or not, is why i said veyron! 1763882;1515085005;ReadErr;but I wonder why an enterprising individual hasnt come along and made it more accessible, or rather go for the volume game 1763883;1515085026;mircea_popescu;ReadErr because we don't believe in the mass market. 1763884;1515085029;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA. 1763885;1515085029;ReadErr;since the demand far exceeds the supply with the conventional routes 1763886;1515085044;mircea_popescu;absolutely not. 1763887;1515085066;BingoBoingo;Montevideo has dispelled much of the appeal of Big ships for me. The whole watching them lumber about in the Rio de Plata... They don't look very fun to drive. 1763888;1515085069;mircea_popescu;demand from plebs is a) entirely imaginary and b) fucking poisonous. fuck them, let them eat their plastic and thank their incagod. 1763889;1515085082;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nobody drives busses recreationally... 1763890;1515085095;BingoBoingo;Sure some people do 1763891;1515085128;phf;the noise exceeds the supply 1763892;1515085143;mircea_popescu;^ 1763893;1515085171;mircea_popescu;which is what the "here's capital good selling under book price -- go, buy" link was all about! there's not going to be any "SALE!!!" better than this, ever, no matter what. 1763894;1515085228;mircea_popescu;but... there's no demand. there's just noise shaped-to-look-like-demand by the sort of cocksuckers who made their life be about making noises shaped-to-look-like-a-constitutional-law-professor-while-being-this-dumb-fuck: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763229 1763895;1515085228;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 17:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763108 << i had to google the name, ran across principally the picture of an ugly orc thug in one of those university bonnets. why the fuck is a 18yo monkey wearing collegiate apparel, not nearly old enough ? 1763896;1515085229;ReadErr;mircea_popescu: ohhh it highlighted the first line i didnt think to keep reading 1763897;1515085239;mircea_popescu;ReadErr always read context. 1763898;1515085240;ReadErr;since it looks similar to the search page 1763899;1515085241;asciilifeform;timisoara was a valhalla of these. 'stadium-sized factory, ONLY 1mil $!11' 1763900;1515085246;ReadErr;which doesnt have the context 1763901;1515085299;ReadErr;my fault for not paying attention, busy day at work cant think straight 1763902;1515085345;mircea_popescu;for instance when i linked you to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761560 i specifically meant you to read the whole thing lol. it explains why "why an enterprising individual hasnt come along and made it more accessible, or rather go for the volume game". 1763903;1515085345;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 00:05 mircea_popescu: ah, re plebs problems something like http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 may interest you 1763904;1515085397;ReadErr;planet3 ? 1763905;1515085402;mircea_popescu;in other news, veyrons on sale starting around 1mn fiats. 1763906;1515085416;mircea_popescu;some people paid 600 bitcoinz for a car before! 1763907;1515085451;ReadErr;i would love 20/20 foresight lol 1763908;1515085463;mircea_popescu;lol 1763909;1515085465;*;asciilifeform had to look up what even is a 'veyron' 1763910;1515085485;mircea_popescu;here's an item : https://archive.is/g9gAt pantsuit.org explains to the noisy plebs why they dun wanna the item 1763911;1515085492;mircea_popescu;"you can't work on it yourself!!!". 1763912;1515085502;mircea_popescu;i'd like to meet this esl tard who reads jezbel and works on his car himself. 1763913;1515085542;ReadErr;or someone who buys with with the expectation of doing that 1763914;1515085550;ReadErr;buys it with* 1763915;1515085562;mircea_popescu;"this car is great -- every 50 miles you gotta pop the hood" 1763916;1515085569;asciilifeform;iirc mthreat works on his mig, himself. ( but dun read jizzbel.. ) 1763917;1515085576;mircea_popescu;compare/contrast with "this wife is great -- every night..." 1763918;1515085603;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not THAT much you can do on that sorta engine "yourself". it's really the simplest thing 1763919;1515085644;asciilifeform;not unless yer also a hobby machinist, and said hobby also includes cutting pyrophoric metals under noble gas etc 1763920;1515085697;mircea_popescu;right. 1763921;1515085697;mircea_popescu;~precision~ cutting. 1763922;1515085710;asciilifeform;naturally not hacksaw-cutting, lol 1763923;1515085717;ag3nt_zer0;ok in my attempts to set up trb node I encountered a snag trying to install gpg keychain to verify sigs... tried a bunch of troubleshooting tips but no luck. i'm using ubuntu 14.04 - thinking of starting fresh. what is best linux dist for trb node? 1763924;1515085739;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 be specific about "a snag" 1763925;1515085809;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'целый день пилили и рубили -- не смогли компьютер починить...' (tm)(r)( asciilifeform's brother ) 1763926;1515085842;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this "i gots to see what goes on in engine" thing is very present, though. /me watched a half hour of "mad max, the version with the crazy south african hottie who got black gangraped so much in that beautifully democratic country, she's all about cutting out her tits and painting her face into wall-like appearances, EXACTLY like the native girls of the accursed africa -- and just like them, will NOT think of ty 1763927;1515085842;mircea_popescu;he whys and wherefores involved". 1763928;1515085871;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall your toilet chix ? 1763929;1515085884;asciilifeform;from the article re when the mains current gave out 1763930;1515085888;mircea_popescu;they had all sorts of (utterly nonsensical) "cars of the future", their features being that they were "warlike" (in a dysfunctional, anti-mechanicistic, looks-are-everything-and-hot-beats-cute girl pov) and that they had mechanisms exposed 1763931;1515085896;mircea_popescu;TO SAND! mechanisms, out of the fucking hood, in the desert. 1763932;1515085909;mircea_popescu;this made sense to them -- and if it makes sense to you, the whole rest of that dumb shit probably also will. 1763933;1515085915;asciilifeform;kabuki 1763934;1515085965;mircea_popescu;(pro tip -- there's chastity cages, and girl slavery. because there's all these unemployed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759156 who'd do screentime cheaply) 1763935;1515085965;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 07:13 mircea_popescu: aaand in other humanities : a. j. ayer was once in the livingroom of one fernando sanchez on west 57th st, hanging out with a buncha young hussies/models when one girl came arunnin' complaining that her friend was being assaulted in the bedroom. ayer went in, where he found mike tyson atop an obscure south london model. when the (at the time 70yo) oxford professor asked him to quit it, mike tyson wanted to know if he knows wh 1763936;1515085989;ag3nt_zer0;it was a month ago so don't have the specifics anymore but system was telling me that i needed a number of libs... I dl'ed and installed but the libs later in sequence were telling me they needed the earlier libs which were already supposedly installed. I tried the process several times and am happy to do it again if you think this is the best way but I was thinking maybe ubuntu isn't the most pragmatic for this? 1763937;1515086007;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 do it again, a) write down the specifics and b) don't wait a month. 1763938;1515086014;ag3nt_zer0;ok 1763939;1515086037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "whole day slashed and burned -- fucking with computor" ? 1763940;1515086059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whole day sawed, chopped -- but could not fix the comp ! 1763941;1515086077;mircea_popescu;hm, better that way 1763942;1515086078;asciilifeform;( in re 'user-serviceable parts' ) 1763943;1515086079;phf;ag3nt_zer0: there's a general lean against ubuntu here (i mean it's a piece of shit), but it should work, though you're going to run into pointless library conflicts and such, that an expert can resolve on sight. need sight though 1763944;1515086121;mircea_popescu;phf i can't understand why this would be, after all ubuntu came about as an attempt to bring linux to the masses. 1763945;1515086136;mircea_popescu;little did we know that whatsoever you bring to the masses, the masses also bring themselves to. 1763946;1515086153;asciilifeform;^ 1763947;1515086169;phf;did you know that the name comes from a sacred african word, that means love and care for your fellow human being? 1763948;1515086198;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1763949;1515086209;BingoBoingo;That's bullshit of the same vein as the t-shirts that say "Keep East Saint Louis Beautiful" 1763950;1515086215;ReadErr;and the domain name was probably available 1763951;1515086225;mircea_popescu;phf i thought it meant "toxoplasmosis is a kind of meeting of the minds also!" tbh. 1763952;1515086258;mircea_popescu;admittedly my orclangfu is weak. 1763953;1515086276;mircea_popescu;hmn, should orclangfu be in the thesaurus ? 1763954;1515086306;ReadErr;ive noticed everyone here has very large vocabularies 1763955;1515086310;mircea_popescu;shit, there's no orc, there's no fu, i gotta ediut this 1763956;1515086325;mircea_popescu;ReadErr not to mention speaks multiple languages. "esl" is a thing even. 1763957;1515086415;ReadErr;I dont doubt that either, ive seen many esl speakers out perform americans/brits 1763958;1515086490;asciilifeform;ReadErr: 'single', here, not 'second' 1763959;1515086500;asciilifeform;( iirc this is already in mircea_popescu's glossary ) 1763960;1515086564;ReadErr;i only know english, was never motivated to learn another 1763961;1515086572;asciilifeform;~that~ esl. 1763962;1515086584;asciilifeform;it's a type of illiteracy, and curable. 1763963;1515086596;BingoBoingo;ReadErr: Why not? You got a thing for humping hamplanets or something? 1763964;1515086605;mircea_popescu;ReadErr hey, asciilifeform learned romanian, BingoBoingo learned spanish, nothing bad happens. 1763965;1515086625;asciilifeform;ro as 5th lol 1763966;1515086628;BingoBoingo;Learned is a charitable description of my spanish 1763967;1515086635;ReadErr;mircea_popescu: yea but ive just never been in a position where it was desirable to learn that over something else 1763968;1515086677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun even know if it is 'good sportsmanship' to count individual langs. oughta count families, perhaps ? slavic, germanic , roman 1763969;1515086705;shinohai;imho Ubuntu is is simply another nigger word for Ebola 1763970;1515086785;ReadErr;they already have their own distribution 1763971;1515086881;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary/ << added orc and -fu ; comments welcome as always. 1763972;1515086894;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1763973;1515086941;mircea_popescu;but hey, baby-did-its-first-travel folk think going from france to spain travel! similarily to how "i crossed state lines! went from upstate ny back to city THROUGH VERMONT!!!11) 1763974;1515087064;esthlos;please critique: http://www.esthlos.com/files/v.scm . no posix/gnupg or vpatch parsing yet, just the basic logic 1763975;1515087105;mircea_popescu;esthlos please let your paragraphs flow. please. 1763976;1515087168;esthlos;what's the reasoning? 1763977;1515087190;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752560 1763978;1515087190;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 03:52 mircea_popescu does his usual s%\n\n%\r\r% s%\n% % s%\r\r%\n\n% while muttering underbreath about the idiocy of fucktards who STILL DON'T UNDERTAND NEWLINE STANDS FOR NEW PARAGRAPH!!11 1763979;1515087205;mircea_popescu;esthlos so you don't attempt to control my viewport ? 1763980;1515087242;asciilifeform;does scheme even have multiline comments ? 1763981;1515087246;asciilifeform;afaik it doesn't 1763982;1515087249;asciilifeform;( nor does ada ) 1763983;1515087251;mircea_popescu;maybe your wrap(60) or whatevert it is makes text take up 40% of my screen and bs like that. 1763984;1515087252;esthlos;asciilifeform: nah 1763985;1515087256;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he added the ;; each line 1763986;1515087268;mircea_popescu;also breaking my automation in the process, because THIS it didn't see before. 1763987;1515087268;asciilifeform;this forces a fixed line length 1763988;1515087277;asciilifeform;( same as -- in ada ) 1763989;1515087284;esthlos;in emacs: fill-region, comment-region 1763990;1515087291;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, if your ;; is followed by 8kb of text this breaks something ? 1763991;1515087292;*;asciilifeform standardizes on traditional, ancestral 80col 1763992;1515087354;asciilifeform;it breaks my panasonic 9-pin matrix printer!111 1763993;1515087366;esthlos;could just have ;; with long line if it helps 1763994;1515087376;mircea_popescu; http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nvmHd/?raw=true << what is the problem with 1st rather than 2nd ? 1763995;1515087385;asciilifeform;makes phf's viewer unusable too 1763996;1515087396;asciilifeform;( results in kilometer of horizontal scroll ) 1763997;1515087400;mircea_popescu;esthlos seems to me very much a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763857 1763998;1515087400;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 16:50 mircea_popescu: ReadErr don't break up your logical sentences, it's unseemly. people read whole lines, you don[t have to make a saladpoem out of your thoughts. 1763999;1515087429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at some point phf will implement a wordwrap ; which can be done for browser window. 1764000;1515087432;asciilifeform;www browsers dun reflow any better than printer. 1764001;1515087441;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik without js , cannot be 1764002;1515087445;mircea_popescu;i never had a problem with trilema!!11 1764003;1515087457;mircea_popescu;of course it can jeez. it's a object property. 1764004;1515087482;mircea_popescu;anyway, absent this logical rule, we'll do what, add "wordwrap(magicnumber" in the unloved v style manual ? 1764005;1515087488;asciilifeform;80!! 1764006;1515087494;mircea_popescu;what happens when two dudes with diff magicnumbers comment on the same bit of code ? 1764007;1515087498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's not even using 80! 1764008;1515087500;asciilifeform;the non-80 one gets clubbed 1764009;1515087509;mircea_popescu;he's using 60minus2 for ;; 1764010;1515087514;asciilifeform;<=80 obviously 1764011;1515087523;esthlos;haha i used 55 1764012;1515087524;asciilifeform;60 is merely ugly. but it doesn't break anything 1764013;1515087534;mircea_popescu;breaks my fucking process is what it breaks. 1764014;1515087538;esthlos;have to impose my shit laptop on everyone 1764015;1515087540;mircea_popescu;why the fuck am i scrolling 2.5x 1764016;1515087553;asciilifeform;it eats vertical space wastefully, but what does mircea_popescu have that it breaks ? 1764017;1515087559;*;mircea_popescu would settle for 120! 1764018;1515087594;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform many things i use are deliberately set up so either it works or it fails. in thsi case "couldn't make text flow sanely - aborting". 1764019;1515087605;mircea_popescu;because yes, normally i have the above linked mask applied on the inanity the world produces. 1764020;1515087635;esthlos;but firefox doesn't implement knuths algo!!11 1764021;1515087640;esthlos;got knows what emacs uses 1764022;1515087641;esthlos;god 1764023;1515087667;asciilifeform;emacs auto-fill is deeply braindamaged yes 1764024;1515087686;phf;emacs auto-fill actually implements knuth's algo.. 1764025;1515087700;esthlos;phf: no fucking way 1764026;1515087743;asciilifeform;hey esthlos , what's 'srfi', 'srfi-1', 'ice9' ? 1764027;1515087755;asciilifeform;and what are they doing in your proggy 1764028;1515087827;esthlos;asciilifeform: https://srfi.schemers.org/ 1764029;1515087846;shinohai;For making lists? 1764030;1515087851;mircea_popescu;;; It's simple to determine which vpatches have parents;;; just scan linearly. Performance is O(n^2). << this hurt me painfully. 1764031;1515087857;esthlos;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2010-07/msg00046.html 1764032;1515087872;mircea_popescu;am i the only one who doesn't deem n>1k improbable ? 1764033;1515087881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had a lengthy thread re subj 1764034;1515087897;esthlos;they could be removed, but are helpful 1764035;1515087899;mircea_popescu;don't tell me it came out as "blockchain never had 1mn blocks so why should we care" 1764036;1515087902;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-18#1375225 1764037;1515087902;a111;Logged on 2016-01-18 15:58 ascii_butugychag: the O(N^2) instrinsic runtime of unknown-patch-bag+unknown-sig-bag is something i realized from the start 1764038;1515087909;phf;asciilifeform: i'm not sure you can even scheme without a bunch of srfi's, the first dozen establish a subset of common lisp standard 1764039;1515087922;asciilifeform;phf: this is 1) true 2) still a war crime 1764040;1515087940;mircea_popescu;poor esthlos, he was just looking for comments, not for insanity from bearded hell. 1764041;1515087953;esthlos;mircea_popescu: :) 1764042;1515087964;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. it was resolved in the correct way ('give the vtron the obvious hint , i.e. sanely named files , that turns the problem from o(n^2) into o(n)' ) 1764043;1515087986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform question is, on the practical score why not rule out unacceptable sigs first ; and more in the general... well... 1764044;1515088003;phf;well, i for one love his sicp-ish captured context lambda classes! 1764045;1515088004;asciilifeform;what means 'rule out' 1764046;1515088035;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when building a tree, first load up the sig folder, then apply it as a mask on the patch folder, then proceed building with only the patches that passed. 1764047;1515088064;asciilifeform;turning a dump truck full of ???!?$$??? that you found on the street, that contains some parts valid v-sigs, patches, and some parts chicken shit -- into a purely valid v-tree , is o(n^2). but q is why to permit the dump truck situation to begin with. 1764048;1515088070;asciilifeform;there's no practical reason to. 1764049;1515088077;mircea_popescu;nevermind that, i'm asking about his algo 1764050;1515088110;asciilifeform;right, his algo follows 'dump truck' model. my orig one -- did not, it did exactly as mircea_popescu describes. 1764051;1515088115;mircea_popescu;(not a great lisper myself, but it seems to me here he got caught in the "since i won't be implementing the posix and gnupg bs yet, im not going to put the thing dependent on tyhem at its right place either, because i wanna fuck myself over") 1764052;1515088282;phf;the way btcbase does it is first pairs all patches by name (following our convention, but next by subst distance), processes those and what's left over is brute forced. algo though was implemented back when naming convention was in flux, so in practice it's o(n), but in reality it could approach o(n^2) if patch bucket is full of shit 1764053;1515088338;esthlos;ah I realized a fucked up the seal handling, thanks mircea_popescu 1764054;1515088340;mircea_popescu;you know, not a great graphs mind myself, but it seems to me our problem may admit better solutions eventually. 1764055;1515088364;asciilifeform;1 better-solution was already discussed : negrate bozo who signs a cycle-closing patch 1764056;1515088376;mircea_popescu;ah, cycles outta the question from the get go 1764057;1515088379;asciilifeform;( it is pointedly NOT an item that can be produced accidentally ) 1764058;1515088401;asciilifeform;this abolishes the o(n^2) cyclicity detector. which is not wholly unlike 'running marathon in gas mask' 1764059;1515088405;mircea_popescu;consider the greater problem here asciilifeform : i give you a set of 1mn units of blockchain. you are to reconstruct their order. 1764060;1515088417;mircea_popescu;seriously, you're going to try n(n-1)/2 ? 1764061;1515088435;phf;wait, are we talking about the same thing? i thought conversation is about pairing patches with seals, how did cycles come into the picture? 1764062;1515088465;asciilifeform;phf: separate item, but ended up in same thread. it's the 1 quadratic algo left in proper-v 1764063;1515088465;mircea_popescu;phf he's the proverbial fox hunting dog that the fox ~doesn't even have to bat its tail~ for him to fork off. 1764064;1515088513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the fortunate thing is that -- supposing it were an actual, rather than 'alien' ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934853 ) problem -- it parallelizes. 1764065;1515088513;a111;Logged on 2014-11-26 01:11 asciilifeform: 'I’d like to see one expression coined by the poker writer Matt Matros become common parlance, since it applies far more widely than only to poker. An “alien problem” means some problem that might be fun, interesting and educational to analyze, and it would be really important to know the solution if you ever found yourself in that situation, but the point is that you shouldn't even be having that problem in the first pl 1764066;1515088553;mircea_popescu;well since you squeeze me, here it is : i suspect the notion of "shouldn't even be having" is 100% pantsuit wank. 1764067;1515088556;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing in nature. 1764068;1515088578;asciilifeform;sure there is. it means that the builder made a wrong cut. e.g. edison's dc resistive losses. 1764069;1515088591;asciilifeform;'i gotta pay people to stand and hold this wall up' 1764070;1515088598;mircea_popescu;i understand how the ideal model is supposed to work. 1764071;1515088617;mircea_popescu;but the statement is that this is an in-universe, ie, fictive model. it dun work except as such. 1764072;1515088637;asciilifeform;plox to expand ? 1764073;1515088644;mircea_popescu;i will. 1764074;1515088653;phf;i thought kahn topo sort is trivially extendable with cycle detection? you just put another flag on the node for which you check 1764075;1515088656;BingoBoingo;Or wins lotto, gets Buggatti, injures your wall. People gotta stand and hold it up nao. 1764076;1515088672;mircea_popescu;consider the case of a doctor. guy comes into office, outputs a string ; doctor responds with some activity and some instruction ; problem gets better or doesn't. 1764077;1515088701;mircea_popescu;now consider the case of witch doctor. guy comes into office, outputs a string ; witch doctor responds with some activity and some instruction ; problem does not get better. 1764078;1515088714;mircea_popescu;witch doctor has gotten "99% of the way there" -- the only problem is the tail. 1764079;1515088735;mircea_popescu;so entrepreneurial witch doctor applies self to inventing problems he could actually solve, so as to flip "doesn't" into "does or doesn't". 1764080;1515088798;mircea_popescu;here it goes : "did you know, women, that before pantsuited hilarity clinton was invented, you had problems XYZ ? and that afterwards, these were resolved ?" "nope" "we'll... it's all recorded for all enternity-till-year-end on jezbel" "Where is this wonder ?" "oh, DO WE REALLY STILL HAVE TO ?!?! IN 2018 ?!?! WE'VE ALL MOVED PAST THAT!!!" 1764081;1515088831;asciilifeform;iirc original term of art was sumthinglike barnum's elephant-repellent 1764082;1515088872;BingoBoingo;!!up mircea_popescu 1764083;1515088872;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes. 1764084;1515088874;mircea_popescu;check it out... somehow dc'd but the protected name still avail. 1764085;1515088875;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1764086;1515088889;BingoBoingo;AHA, crazy speed 1764087;1515088903;mircea_popescu;anyway -- an alien problem is a problem with a banal retrospective solution that doesn't exist. it works well for fiction, where one can say "and on planet x, people all walked with their nose in a clothespin, then our hero came in, told them to ditch the clothespins, AND THEREFORE WAS A HERO. AND IS!" ie, establishing shot. 1764088;1515088914;BingoBoingo;Perhaps the histamine overload is finally getting to fleanode 1764089;1515088918;mircea_popescu;but the fact that such a planet could never exist is left unadressed -- the needs of fiction are fictive. 1764090;1515088942;mircea_popescu;that make sense asciilifeform ? 1764091;1515088977;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it makes sense. nevertheless, epicycles were abolished. the gymnastiscs of roman arithmetic are no longer here. and so on. 1764092;1515089014;mircea_popescu;"if you're watching it-- it's fior you" means, also, "if you have this problem, it's not an alien problem", or otherwise put "a study of alien problems is necessarily useless ; other than to prepare one for a life spent trying to write for jezbel" 1764093;1515089021;asciilifeform;the clothespin scenario unfortunately exists in life. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759556 1764094;1515089021;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:20 mircea_popescu: nah. cleverness in humans is simply equivalent of what drunks call "a moment of lucidity", ie, stopped being indescribably fucking stupid for one god damned moment. 1764095;1515089042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but now merge these factual observations, which are correct BUT SUPERFICIAL, with your own knowledge on and around the scheuristic point of "coffin liners". 1764096;1515089057;mircea_popescu;something was abolished, yes, but not THAT, and more important NOT LIKE THAT! 1764097;1515089063;mircea_popescu;and newton didn't sit down to abolish them, either. 1764098;1515089063;asciilifeform;what, say, is 'v', other than 'hey whydontcha take off the clothespin' 1764099;1515089069;mircea_popescu;this is ~unclear~. 1764100;1515089099;mircea_popescu;that's the major point here, that a categorical split ("oh, either problem or aproblem!") is based on no equivalent phenomenological split. 1764101;1515089110;asciilifeform;i can't speak for the good doctor newton. but asciilifeform specifically ~did~ target , for extermination, 'git' & related idiocies. 1764102;1515089115;mircea_popescu;far be it from me to impugn fiction as the primary driver of engineering effort. 1764103;1515089116;asciilifeform;they do all of the good of smallpox. 1764104;1515089118;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... 1764105;1515089188;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-07#1294036 << moar oldthread re subj 1764106;1515089188;a111;Logged on 2015-10-07 13:46 mircea_popescu: once newton/leibniz fixed notation, for instance, to take a very easy historical example, 1764107;1515089248;asciilifeform;correct mechanics of model ( aka notation ) for a problem , has the same effect as levers do in mechanical work 1764108;1515089268;asciilifeform;whether we're speaking of v, or of the introduction of polar coords, or lagrange's mechanics, etc 1764109;1515089384;shinohai;My how nuclear war has changed in just over half-century: http://archive.is/dDmZ9 1764110;1515089396;asciilifeform;to borrow BingoBoingo circa 2014 -- the correct solution to fat is... not to become fat; rather than 'reach implements' and double-wide train seats 1764111;1515089468;BingoBoingo;Speaking of lunch today was a liter of chocolate milk and a tiny sandwich 1764112;1515089567;shinohai;Such Lordly fare. 1764113;1515089577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that many problems admit retrospective solutions is not at issue here ; the whole content of "i suspect the notion of "shouldn't even be having" is 100% pantsuit wank." is that "alien problems" are an artefact of the retelling of history (esp if with a purpose) rarther than of the making of history. 1764114;1515089614;asciilifeform;inescapably the shit-model is only revealed to be such, ~after~ the epicycles removed 1764115;1515089618;asciilifeform;how else. 1764116;1515089627;mircea_popescu;right. 1764117;1515089634;mircea_popescu;well, i thought it was being proposed as a forward looking heuristic. 1764118;1515089667;asciilifeform;it is only to very limited extent forward . ( recall the 'physicists have a duty to press for clean unification' asciilifeform thread ) 1764119;1515089676;mircea_popescu;shinohai so apparently trump is aware neither button works wortha shit ? 1764120;1515089703;asciilifeform;'if the model is ugly, it's epicyclic even if we don't have the reduction yet' is an ideological, yes, position 1764121;1515089715;mircea_popescu;quite. nothing wrong with it, as such. but AS SUCH. 1764122;1515089776;mircea_popescu;consider as a fine applicaiton of recursion just how "ugly" (from a purely complexity-boundedness pov) this discussion of, let's recall, originally http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764040 got. and within a short time. 1764123;1515089776;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 17:45 mircea_popescu: poor esthlos, he was just looking for comments, not for insanity from bearded hell. 1764124;1515089778;shinohai;Ah but Best Korea no longer has just a switch, but a KEYBOARD 1764125;1515089787;mircea_popescu;also, "ugly because broken" ? 1764126;1515089816;mircea_popescu;shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762491 1764127;1515089816;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 16:49 mircea_popescu: consider this major point : in ancient greece, people were depicted with small penii ; large ones were considered bestial, comedic and insulting. 1764128;1515089832;shinohai;lolz 1764129;1515089837;mircea_popescu;maybe one of these days they build a... TOWER. 1764130;1515089874;shinohai;Now I am left wondering if there were ads all over ancient Greece selling dick-shrinking pills. 1764131;1515089895;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1764132;1515089900;mircea_popescu;astringents! 1764133;1515089996;asciilifeform;notice how most drawn human figures even today -- unless, i suppose, drawn by streicher -- have smaller, than in life, nose. but nobody thinks this is odd. 1764134;1515090010;asciilifeform;details proclaimed uninteresting -- get de-emphasized 1764135;1515090015;mircea_popescu;no, i know girl that thinks this is odd. 1764136;1515090035;mircea_popescu;and we're discussing here things such as athletic events (which yes, naked boys). 1764137;1515090064;mircea_popescu;(in fact -- in ancient greece clothing quite unmanly, for women and old folks) 1764138;1515090143;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763687 << the example used notwithstanding, i suspect this is a large portion of what goes on in, eg, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 "minds". 1764139;1515090143;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 14:53 asciilifeform: 'hardware isn't easy to build therefore couldn't possibly be necessary, the gods would not have made this level so hard, for me, the hero' or similar. 1764140;1515090143;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true 1764141;1515090163;asciilifeform;howsthat 1764142;1515090197;mircea_popescu;well, suppose under-30 chickie runs into problem. what avenues of resolution are open to her ? 1764143;1515090217;asciilifeform;well: 1764144;1515090221;mircea_popescu;go to teacher/boss/great inca and say "this is an alien problem" meaning, "you gods shouldn';t have made the maze so long for me, the rat" 1764145;1515090229;mircea_popescu;this eventually gets baked in. 1764146;1515090232;asciilifeform;'programs make use of recursion, iteration, and... uteration' -- asciilifeform's pet 1764147;1515090249;asciilifeform;that last one , refers to 'HULP, i'ma gurl, fix this..' 1764148;1515090251;mircea_popescu;"i shouldn't have to strip to get an A, i shouldn't have to suck cock to get a job, i shouldn't have to fuck the customer to keep it, i shouldn't have to..." 1764149;1515090263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lmao! 1764150;1515090280;asciilifeform;( in the spirit of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672530 ) 1764151;1515090280;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 17:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: stalin, supposedly, once said to his friends, 'history divides into three eras, matriarchate, patriarchate, and secretariate' 1764152;1515090292;mircea_popescu;problem with uteration is that it depends on castration.h 1764153;1515090314;asciilifeform;not necessarily. can also come in 'come back with yer shield, or on it' variant 1764154;1515090347;mircea_popescu;now THAT is a fine fucking example of a problem you don't want to ever have : when your problems are resolvable by whining it's not unlike when your washing is resolved by the ocean : you're fucked. 1764155;1515090391;asciilifeform;or in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743266 variant. 1764156;1515090391;a111;Logged on 2017-11-27 01:57 asciilifeform: 'Inainte baieti, nu va lasati, sunteti cu mine! Inainte! Razbunati-ma!' 1764157;1515090414;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notice the "baieti", "boys" 1764158;1515090458;asciilifeform;in mircea_popescu's cosmography, the folx who banzai'd to avenge the chix , castrato ? 1764159;1515090508;mircea_popescu;this is a subtle matter. did they banzai "because such world as it is not worth my time" or did they "because her world must be defended!" 1764160;1515090512;phf;esthlos: i was wrong, i remember looking at knuth&plass implementation in elisp a decade ago, but it's not in mainline. incidentally you could wire own k&p into normal-auto-fill-function.. 1764161;1515090521;mircea_popescu;ie, were they nazi or weren't they ? 1764162;1515090533;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unfortunately i can't answer this, my ouijatron is broken... 1764163;1515090540;mircea_popescu;and in turn neither can i. 1764164;1515090572;asciilifeform;based on the type of man that at the time existed, and ~came out~ of the war -- i would conjecture : the former. rather than 'for her demoocracy' 1764165;1515090602;mircea_popescu;well, judging by the fact that it was socialist war not imperial (as the historical term) war, i would conjecture the latter. 1764166;1515090609;mircea_popescu;i expect most didn't even know why the fuck they're there. 1764167;1515090627;asciilifeform;dunno that 'isms' play into it. it's a firmware call, 'pet chix dismembered in front of you ? banzai' 1764168;1515090650;mircea_popescu;certainly previously they didn't, as per https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymCLh51FhpA 1764169;1515090688;asciilifeform;!!up mircea_popescu 1764170;1515090688;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes. 1764171;1515090714;asciilifeform;see also other banzais, e.g. '... Если немца убил твой брат, / Если немца убил сосед, — / Это брат и сосед твой мстят, / А тебе оправданья нет. / За чужой спиной не сидят,/ Из чужой винтовки не мстят ...' 1764172;1515090743;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it IS the fundamental behaviour of male seeking though ; since sexuate species only has any use for some males... 1764173;1515090760;mircea_popescu;it's drone behaviour, what. 1764174;1515090778;asciilifeform;like all other fw calls, it's built into ~all~ of'em. like nipple. 1764175;1515090790;asciilifeform;the father of 4, will also banzai. 1764176;1515090791;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts. 1764177;1515090865;mircea_popescu;but certainly a possibility. 1764178;1515090925;asciilifeform;phenotype is not unlike 'qbasic', in that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-10#614261 1764179;1515090925;a111;Logged on 2014-04-10 21:08 asciilifeform: phun phact. msdos 'edit' is actually 'qbasic', with the basic ineptly commented out - in such a way that the code is still buried in the binary. 1764180;1515090948;esthlos;phf: hmm 1764181;1515091092;esthlos;mircea_popescu: wrt the alien problem, you're saying the complexity is actual? 1764182;1515091209;esthlos;I've spent the last year or so trying to figure wtf happened to computing post-symbolics. still can't see the complexity which lead to the current disaster 1764183;1515091289;esthlos;guys like alan kay push a certain political narrative, but it doesnt add up 1764184;1515091342;mircea_popescu;esthlos im saying it's not clear. it might well be. 1764185;1515091347;asciilifeform;esthlos: sanity, esp when it has a short-term cost, is not the default. your null hypothesis is broken. 1764186;1515091417;esthlos;oh fun, the blog of the guile lead: http://wingolog.org/ 1764187;1515091477;asciilifeform;why am i reading about e.g. '...ignorance about the lived experience of women compiler writers, say, can lead to hurtful behavior...' ? 1764188;1515091483;phf;esthlos: reflecting on it a bit, tricky part of k&p for plain text is de-hyphenating for reflow 1764189;1515091502;asciilifeform;'trying to get them closer to a justice-affirming perspective' 1764190;1515091521;asciilifeform;'the extent to which men's-rights-activist and racist talking points had made it into their discourse, and the way the individualist edifice of their world-view enabled their pre-fascist ideas' 1764191;1515091548;esthlos;for lulz 1764192;1515091551;asciilifeform;'My conclusion from the interaction is that, now more than ever, when it comes to future collaborators, in any context, it is important for anyone for whom justice matters to probe candidates deeply for fascist tendencies. If they show a sign, pass. Anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti-queer, and anti-black behaviors and actions often correlate: if you see one sign, often there are more underneath. Even if the person claims to value egal 1764193;1515091551;asciilifeform;itarianism, the perspectives that guide their actions may not favor justice in your organization. ' 1764194;1515091590;asciilifeform;http://wingolog.org/photos/photos/4051 << author. 1764195;1515091663;BingoBoingo;#Guessthegendar 1764196;1515091692;phf;that's my favorite photo http://wingolog.org/photos/photos/3482 1764197;1515091730;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764185 << bah, let me keep my youthful naviete a little longer 1764198;1515091730;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 18:42 asciilifeform: esthlos: sanity, esp when it has a short-term cost, is not the default. your null hypothesis is broken. 1764199;1515091754;phf;"Oh, good evening my hackfriends! I am just chuffed to share a thing with yall: tomorrow we release Guile 2.2.0. Yaaaay!" 1764200;1515091852;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-20#1436658 relevant thread 1764201;1515091852;a111;Logged on 2016-03-20 15:27 phf: guile is the old warhorse of the "scheme in emacs!!" agenda, pretty sure even naggum ranted about it 1764202;1515091877;asciilifeform;was massive, cancerous ball of autoconf and ???? even decade ago, aha. 1764203;1515091884;BingoBoingo;"This industry has a race problem, how do we fix it?" 1764204;1515091913;phf;well, it died from disinterest at some point, before the recent upswing of concerned citizens revived it as an excellent platform for cancer 1764205;1515091983;BingoBoingo;Well, could also demechanize agriculture... 1764206;1515092050;phf;riastradh and his type stuck to scheme48 and other sane, pre-eternal-sept implementations, professionals moved to plt scheme, so guile was looking to finally die. no such luck. 1764207;1515092118;phf;how does it go, wgah'nagl fhtagn 1764208;1515092164;asciilifeform;phf: naggum had a perl rant , re how it typifies fungus-growth media by supplying young cocklets with inexhaustible fountain of trivial breakages to 'cleverly' work around 1764209;1515092172;asciilifeform;guile appears to fit this pattern 1764210;1515092282;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 << "Oh really? I never guessed he was an actor. Touche." if only tlp was around... 1764211;1515092282;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true 1764212;1515092764;mircea_popescu;consider, incidentally, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764101 the impact of the whole "how many ring binders" discussion ; obviously the "resistence of the medium" threads also appropos 1764213;1515092764;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 18:05 asciilifeform: i can't speak for the good doctor newton. but asciilifeform specifically ~did~ target , for extermination, 'git' & related idiocies. 1764214;1515092798;*;mircea_popescu realises that tmsr is principally an imperative programming language for actual intelligence (as opposed to the artificial kind) build around the "consider" statement. 1764215;1515092854;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763715 << quite exactly. 1764216;1515092854;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 15:10 ReadErr: well that wouldnt be any different than today 1764217;1515092905;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763726 << also quit exactly ; which is why "dollar MUST be accepted in payment" is important enough to print on the damned things. without that... 1764218;1515092905;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 15:14 asciilifeform: when you sell something for, e.g., dollar, you are in effect giving it away to the folks with the printing press. 1764219;1515092950;BingoBoingo;Relatit to an earlier point http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/#footnote_4_62816 1764220;1515092956;mircea_popescu;well, basically without that you end up with the femstate, as the next stop on the stupid tree. "can expropriate anything for public interest but cunt" results in the bizarro alt-world in usgstan. 1764221;1515093006;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763735 << hey i never heard that before. 1764222;1515093006;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 15:18 ReadErr: something just kinda clicked in my head 1764223;1515093039;mircea_popescu;anyway, shall hafta town ; bbl! 1764224;1515093208;phf;i was going to quote some choice naggum on guile, but it's 3 pages on xach's site, and it's very very unkind. interested parties are welcome to https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/search?q=guile 1764225;1515093519;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/periplus-1.jpg 1764226;1515093807;ben_vulpes;> i haven't tried this test yet << and you don't know that it only works on the feeble minded, literally anyone else is going to see exactly what you're doing and give the canned response that you want: "the patriarchy keeps women down and what is really called for is demoting and docking mens wages, and promoting science education for little girls, and generally eradicating the constructed gender binary so 1764227;1515093808;ben_vulpes;that we can all be treated truly equally at last long last" 1764228;1515093849;ben_vulpes;>> Unfortunately, one participant was stuck on free speech side of the debate. << kawaiiiiiii neh 1764229;1515093931;ben_vulpes;free speech fundamentalism is facism, because we sat around and wanked to the tune of logical programs and term equivalence, but skipped history of governmental organization 101 1764230;1515094185;asciilifeform;haskellism isn't particularly different from other pseudosciences pushed by socialistoid scum 1764231;1515094204;phf;ben_vulpes: oblig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4hP6nOB1dc 1764232;1515094384;ben_vulpes;phf: lol 1764233;1515094390;ben_vulpes;k i guess i gotta see or read this now 1764234;1515094660;asciilifeform;!!up rdfbdfg 1764235;1515094661;deedbot;rdfbdfg voiced for 30 minutes. 1764236;1515094744;phf;ben_vulpes: you've not seen american psycho? :o 1764237;1515094764;phf;or read for that matter, though i'm not sure if i prefer the book in this case. 1764238;1515094905;ben_vulpes;phf: i haven't watched much television or many movies full stop 1764239;1515095497;ben_vulpes;trilema reviews better use of time mostly anyways 1764240;1515095837;phf;ben_vulpes: there's actually an american pyscho trilema review! 1764241;1515095902;ben_vulpes;yes i know, in ro 1764242;1515096389;asciilifeform;in other 'news', it is apparently impossible to fit even ONE 4096-bit adder into an ice40-8k ( the largest in the series ) 1764243;1515096393;asciilifeform;sad. 1764244;1515096442;asciilifeform;essentially, 'yes we put srams in the fabric but they can't shift, fuckyou' 1764245;1515096610;asciilifeform;( likbez : all you need for the mythical holy grail, 'fast iron rsa', is a very large-bitnessed adder-cum-barrelshifter and a few storage registers that can be programmatically shuffled between. ) 1764246;1515096657;BingoBoingo;In other news from the price is right department: "The personal information of more than a billion Indians stored in the world's largest biometric database can be bought online for less than $8, according to an investigation by an Indian newspaper." 1764247;1515096677;asciilifeform;~all ffa ops can be reduced to 'add-with-possible-2scomplement' and 'shift'. 1764248;1515096693;asciilifeform;( or rather, some finite sequence of these ) 1764249;1515096711;ReadErr;asciilifeform: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/I5HQ0yxC/templedongOSxxx.png 1764250;1515096714;ReadErr;re: git 1764251;1515096929;shinohai;Well he's right about the cripple programming part 1764252;1515096938;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/FrBep << in other noose re intel crapola , in re the snowjob in particular 1764253;1515097128;asciilifeform;ReadErr: forget 'programming'. cripples ~thinking~. 1764254;1515097178;asciilifeform;ReadErr: when you 'download proggy from shithub', it is exactly same act as if you could, in a restaurant, order '1 cubic litre from public dump' as a dish. complete with whatever happens to be scopped out, used condoms, syringes, rotten vegetables, dead rats 1764255;1515097192;asciilifeform;*scooped 1764256;1515097193;ben_vulpes;btw how come nobody in the "stop rape culture!!11" world has done an indiestarter to build the vagina dentata from neal stephenson's snow crash? 1764257;1515097202;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: happened. is in the logs. 1764258;1515097205;asciilifeform;2014 iirc 1764259;1515097220;asciilifeform;( luckily for the idjits, was cynical scam, no actual teeth involved ) 1764260;1515097318;ReadErr;lol 1764261;1515097357;ben_vulpes;hm i cannot find this wonder in the logs 1764262;1515097804;phf;ben_vulpes: http://rense.com/general6/ouch.htm, https://rape-axe.com/, http://www.sapiensbryan.com/femdefence-a-protection-against-rape/ 1764263;1515097812;phf;i think the second one was in the logs 1764264;1515097866;phf;yw 1764265;1515097870;ben_vulpes;ty 1764266;1515097875;ben_vulpes;http://www.femdefence.info/ 1764267;1515097883;ben_vulpes;free bible software download! 1764268;1515097891;ben_vulpes;really going for the big tent there 1764269;1515098065;trinque;https://rapeaxe.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/ra-large-3.jpg?w=1024 << lol what is this 1764270;1515098082;trinque;"oh deary me, please don't rape me sir" 1764271;1515098213;ben_vulpes;nearly tumblr rape gimpwork grade 1764272;1515098273;ben_vulpes;https://rapeaxe.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/cropped-21.jpg also 1764273;1515098475;trinque;clearly the definition of rape has by now expanded to "woman, shut the hell up!" 1764274;1515098570;shinohai;You don't even have to speak, trinque .... telepathic rape occurs if you masturbate while thinking of her without her consent. 1764275;1515098690;trinque;by that logic all of reddit just lost its virginity 1764276;1515098699;shinohai;lel 1764277;1515098771;ben_vulpes;eye contact also offensive 1764278;1515098820;ben_vulpes;that is one of the nicest things about this little town that i've moved to, all of the girls make eye contact and act feminine 1764279;1515099153;danielpbarron;!!up jpxe 1764280;1515099154;deedbot;jpxe voiced for 30 minutes. 1764281;1515099160;danielpbarron;use this one https://ghostbin.com/paste/v6ut9/raw 1764282;1515099205;danielpbarron;!!rate jpxe 1 aspiring ADA coder i found in the l0de chan 1764283;1515099208;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vvqhq/?raw=true 1764284;1515099458;danielpbarron;jpxe, ok you can voice yourself by typing /msg deedbot !!up 1764285;1515099478;danielpbarron;and it'll last till you disconnect rather than 30 mins 1764286;1515099506;jpxe;understood 1764287;1515099538;danielpbarron;there's a bunch of ongoing projects in here, and ADA is a prefered language 1764288;1515099557;danielpbarron;you can search the logs for all sorts of references 1764289;1515099573;ben_vulpes;so jpxe what sorta adastuffs are you working on 1764290;1515099694;danielpbarron;he was asking for a job so i asked if he had tits, he didn't, so i said do you know lisp or ada 1764291;1515099721;danielpbarron;i guess he's gonna learn himself some ada, or lisp if anyone wants. feel free to instruct him 1764292;1515099734;asciilifeform;start him with the obvious starting point ? 1764293;1515099743;ben_vulpes;jpxe: start at http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913 1764294;1515099816;ben_vulpes;and familiarize yourself with v ( http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system ), read logs for six months... 1764295;1515100066;jpxe;ben_vulpes: There a reason the first site doesn't use SSL? 1764296;1515100084;danielpbarron;we don't do https here 1764297;1515100096;danielpbarron;if you need something secure, do RSA 1764298;1515100111;asciilifeform;!#s ssl 1764299;1515100111;a111;589 results for "ssl", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ssl 1764300;1515100114;asciilifeform;jpxe ^ see also. 1764301;1515100219;asciilifeform;and, more generally speaking, jhvh1 , 1764302;1515100223;asciilifeform;!#s pki 1764303;1515100223;a111;90 results for "pki", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pki 1764304;1515100383;asciilifeform;err, jpxe ^ 1764305;1515100444;ben_vulpes;jpxe: ssl is shitty shit from commie joo empire 1764306;1515100446;asciilifeform;( this is almost possibly the first litmus for a n00b : will he read logs when told to ? show symptoms of actually having done so, and learne d? ) 1764307;1515100511;asciilifeform;jpxe: see also trilema, e.g. http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-123791 . 1764308;1515100513;phf;speaking of ssl everywhere, discovered this lulzy wontfix today, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436200 1764309;1515100576;phf;a forced popup that warns you that you're sending to http from https, but there's no about:config to disable the popup. 9 years of "ffs put a boolean in configs, you fucks" 1764310;1515101102;ben_vulpes;in other lols, my 1933 babar reprint just arrived and it is a delightful paen to colonialism 1764311;1515101141;ben_vulpes;2017's "a is for activist" -- b&. 1933's french colonial propaganda -- celebrated. 1764312;1515101695;phf;a is for aparheid, old boy, fancy a cop of tea? 1764313;1515101758;ben_vulpes;wot wot 1764314;1515102286;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 4: Random Prime Number Generator 1764315;1515103052;phf;^ http://btcbase.org/patches/eucrypt_ch4_rpng 1764316;1515103172;diana_coman;yay, thank you phf ! that was super-quick 1764317;1515103555;phf;yw, the process is becoming streamlined. next i need to make it pick up just new patches, rather than refresh the whole lot 1764318;1515104998;asciilifeform;oh hey neato 1764319;1515105059;asciilifeform;'top 2 bits and bottom bit are ALWAYS 1!' << asciilifeform still doesn't get why to weld the next-to-highest 1764320;1515105396;ben_vulpes;!up vap0r 1764321;1515105399;ben_vulpes;!!up vap0r 1764322;1515105399;deedbot;vap0r voiced for 30 minutes. 1764323;1515105399;vap0r;////// [ HOLY ASS FUCKIN THANKS FOR THE VOICE deedbot !! ] \\\ 1764324;1515105402;vap0r;o> 1764325;1515105410;vap0r;thx 1764326;1515105415;ben_vulpes;np who are you 1764327;1515105421;vap0r;saw dpbs msg on my youtube link 1764328;1515105437;vap0r;im vap0r came here bcuz of dpb 1764329;1515105444;danielpbarron;oh are you efnet news guy? 1764330;1515105448;vap0r;ya 1764331;1515105451;danielpbarron;hahah cool 1764332;1515105454;danielpbarron;got a RSA key? 1764333;1515105454;vap0r;bandy here 1764334;1515105466;vap0r;im on phone but gimme a bit and ill get u one 1764335;1515105475;danielpbarron;well get it to deedbot 1764336;1515105555;vap0r;cool 1764337;1515105703;danielpbarron;https://youtu.be/tNXyichewJw << the link btw. i'm mentioned a little past half way 1764338;1515106769;asciilifeform;btw diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/longlines.jpg << esp in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763999 1764339;1515106769;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 17:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point phf will implement a wordwrap ; which can be done for browser window. 1764340;1515106821;asciilifeform;some of diana_coman's lines are even longer than 120col 1764341;1515106852;asciilifeform;comments, i suppose, can be reflowed. but CODE DOES NOT REFLOW, it destroys indentation 1764342;1515106869;asciilifeform;why not stick to the ancestral 80col, folx?? 1764343;1515107276;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764224 >> some very pertinent material, e.g. https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3071377465763593@naggum.no.html , 1764344;1515107276;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 19:13 phf: i was going to quote some choice naggum on guile, but it's 3 pages on xach's site, and it's very very unkind. interested parties are welcome to https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/search?q=guile 1764345;1515107280;asciilifeform;>> '...when I look at Scheme programs that try to do more than trivial tasks, or at Scheme systems that try to give people a framework to work in, I get the "perl experience" -- heaps of ugly but useful hacks to get some short-term job done. seems to me that the flip side of the "only the most elegant are admitted" argument is that there is no lower bound on the ugliness of what is _not_ admitted, yet necessary to get there in pract 1764346;1515107280;asciilifeform;ice, and so anything goes.' 1764347;1515107538;asciilifeform;https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129441516179845@naggum.no.html << relatedly. >> 'the problem with retrofitting a Lisp or Scheme onto Unix is that Unix really is a C programming environment, and using the C mindset when building Lisp or Scheme applications or systems on top of it loses. the same is true of any other programming language with an environment that takes the role of Unix for C.' 1764348;1515107602;asciilifeform;( the latter discussion was about , approx, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678490 ) 1764349;1515107602;a111;Logged on 2017-07-02 12:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678460 << how about we roll the boot time ( to shell!! ) of your cmachinekernel, how about? 1764350;1515107761;asciilifeform;and, to round off the archaeological dig, https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129467830883882@naggum.no.html >> 'the programming environment model in Unix is an imitation of the Lisp machine, and the way it is implemented is through processes and inter-process communication instead of function calls. functions in the Lisp heap are programs on disk in the Unix model. the optimizations that made Unix able to survive this incredible 1764351;1515107761;asciilifeform; inefficiency are bad for Lisp, which would have done it a lot better had it been in control, but GUILE doesn't do it any better. GUILE combines the worst of both worlds, in an attempt to bring the best of one world to a world where it doesn't really belong. on top of this, it's Scheme, and it's expensive to run, there's so much wrong with it that nobody can use it without fixing some part of it. so, it's going to be a winner, but 1764352;1515107762;asciilifeform; a real Lisp world would be so much better. however, a real Lisp world cannot win as long as GUILE is the image people have of a Lisp environment, just like Lisp has suffered tremendously from the Scheme people's insistence that Scheme as taught to college students is what they should expect from Lisp.' 1764353;1515108568;diana_coman;asciilifeform, tbh lines chopped tend to bother me; I repeatedly tried (years/ages ago) the whole thing with 80cols, quick to read etc but... it still bothers me, what can I do; that being said, I see there long comments line not code; possibly some printfs in the tests that might be long I suppose 1764354;1515108707;asciilifeform;more or less all prog langs give a clean way to multilineize strings 1764355;1515108748;asciilifeform;( rather than arbitrary 'chop' ) 1764356;1515108781;diana_coman;multi-line is still chop the way my brain reads 1764357;1515108831;diana_coman;I do try to keep otherwise lines relatively short mainly because no reason for very long but that in code not in comments, admitted; and certainly not with some strict 80 char limit per se, true 1764358;1515108833;*;asciilifeform as you can see from the pic, uses vertical displays. and when reading serious proggy , tends to send it to printer ! which - guesswhat - doesn't know how to reflow ( and if it did, would mangle indent and create unreadable soup ) 1764359;1515109006;diana_coman;hm 1764360;1515109062;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i am one of those weirdos who still does a large amt of his programming -- and the bulk of his code-reading -- on paper. 1764361;1515109097;diana_coman;I do a lot of code-reading WITH paper + pencil; but that means more writing than printing really 1764362;1515109102;asciilifeform;writing yes 1764363;1515109149;asciilifeform;generally my page will in the end have ~equal area of pencilmark and printerola 1764364;1515109163;asciilifeform;(at least.) 1764365;1515109275;diana_coman;and paper+writing a lot before any need for keyboard, but I still get annoyed at multi-line stuff that is ... one thing otherwise, ugh 1764366;1515109299;*;diana_coman has just cleared desk again getting rid of a pile of papers used for this ch4 1764367;1515109360;asciilifeform;and speaking of this, asciilifeform is almost certainly doomed to properly texize ffa in the end. there are so few things more loathesome than reading MECHANICALLY REFLOWED code. whether line flow or page breaks. 1764368;1515109364;diana_coman;basically this would make some sense only if writing code in columns pretty much newspaper style I suppose 1764369;1515109434;asciilifeform;publishers used to pay professionals to do this. and it ~needed~ doing. whereas today one will routinely find 'technical' b00kz that look exactly like microshit-'word' printouts bound and covered, with line and page breaks scattered entirely arbitrarily 1764370;1515109450;asciilifeform;it is very grating on the nerves, to read such crapola 1764371;1515109557;phf;in a proper program 80 col is an indicator of s/n, density and all kinds of lateral properties, that can be communicated between professionals, because you can know ahead of time, what you're dealing with by shape, and have a rough estimate for the token count 1764372;1515109565;asciilifeform;^^^ 1764373;1515109584;asciilifeform;it makes the 'loc' metric meaningful AT ALL to begin with, for starters ! 1764374;1515109624;diana_coman;I suspect all of it, one way or the other IS a matter of habit really; it might even be that I simply programmed overall too little compared to reading non-programming (programmed at school+uni+few years after that and then ran for the hills until I got drawn back because eulora) 1764375;1515109652;asciilifeform;iirc diana_coman started as a mathematician , neh ? 1764376;1515109666;asciilifeform;!!up Matthew 1764377;1515109667;deedbot;Matthew voiced for 30 minutes. 1764378;1515109670;Matthew;tyvm 1764379;1515109682;asciilifeform;who might you be, Matthew ? 1764380;1515109693;Matthew;im Matthew from efnet news 1764381;1515109703;phf;it is habit, and convention and all kinds of easily iconoclastible things. for example i can usually recognize a proper lisp program by its shape, but those are usually written by people who have established those conventions to begin with 1764382;1515109732;Matthew;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNXyichewJw 1764383;1515109740;asciilifeform;phf: aha, i can always and immediately spot somebody who did not use slime or equivalent autoindenter 1764384;1515109742;Matthew;thank for allowing me to spam this podcast 1764385;1515109755;diana_coman;asciilifeform, no, not really; studied at polytechnic uni Bucharest, automation and computers i.e. electrical engineer; followed with data mining and that got totally fed up after "software engineering" 1764386;1515109757;Matthew;is daniel around 1764387;1515109764;Matthew;i wantd to talk to him 1764388;1515109785;asciilifeform;danielpbarron ? 1764389;1515109790;Matthew;yes 1764390;1515109803;asciilifeform;Matthew: hang around for a few hrs, he will probably come back 1764391;1515109816;Matthew;ill hang around forever 1764392;1515109826;Matthew;you are stuck with me now 1764393;1515109849;asciilifeform;Matthew: if you are looking for something danielpbarron said some time earlier, there is the log , http://btcbase.org/log 1764394;1515109873;danielpbarron;Matthew, what's up 1764395;1515109898;asciilifeform;diana_coman: neato. 1764396;1515110397;asciilifeform;from what asciilifeform has seen, life is often quite hard for actual-engineers who end up in programmerdom. sorta like shalamov's observation re folx from baltics, not only better-nutritioned and taller to begin with ( by itself gives higher 'idle rpm' ) but whose daily life was 'farther from gulag' , starved sooner than ru folx ( in particular rural ) 1764397;1515110565;asciilifeform;( why ? e.g. naggum's canonical 'if all you need is for something to "work", and you don't give a damn when and how it fails, C++ and Perl is for you. if you care deeply about not having your software fail, you would naturally feel a correspondingly deep sense of betrayal from the authors of both languages -- because they make it so damn hard to express the fact that you do care about the failure modes.' ) 1764398;1515110765;Matthew;danielpbarron: i was just trying to get some free cyrpto 1764399;1515110768;Matthew;and hear about a church 1764400;1515110775;diana_coman;heh, add to that the fact that I specifically got interested in computers initially for the very promise (to my mind at the time at least) that they are... reliable; because programmable, see? such silly 17-yo mea 1764401;1515110784;asciilifeform;the free cyrpto is three doors down, Matthew 1764402;1515110784;danielpbarron;Matthew, register your RSA key with deedbot 1764403;1515110795;Matthew;idk how 1764404;1515110799;Matthew;forget the free coin 1764405;1515110801;danielpbarron;"tsk" 1764406;1515110802;Matthew;tell me about the church 1764407;1515110823;Matthew;i heard about u on EfnetNews 47 1764408;1515110829;Matthew;also spoke to u for a second the other night 1764409;1515110833;Matthew;in #efnetnews 1764410;1515110836;danielpbarron;well i don't wanna bore the channel with stuff you can easily learn from atruechurch.info 1764411;1515110847;danielpbarron;i was never in that channel, btw 1764412;1515110856;asciilifeform;diana_coman: picture, if su survived, you might be designing votingcircuit cpu for e.g. 'buran' 1764413;1515110858;phf;wut, half the horrible code i've seen is from actual engineers. usually unstructructured reams of potato code like they were taught to write matlab or fortran 1764414;1515110864;Matthew;'dpb 1764415;1515110868;Matthew;'dpb' was an imposter ? 1764416;1515110880;danielpbarron;i'm dpb on efnet, but i was never in that channel 1764417;1515110882;asciilifeform;phf: lemme guess, their beards, were not white ? 1764418;1515110912;Matthew;where did i speak to u at 1764419;1515110919;danielpbarron;lrh chan prolly 1764420;1515110941;Matthew;no 1764421;1515110950;Matthew;i dont go there 1764422;1515110966;Matthew;oh well it dont matter 1764423;1515110967;diana_coman;phf might be onto something in that functional programming was not mandatory for instance; I took the course because I wanted to but I could have had no idea of it at all even, easily 1764424;1515110981;shinohai;From the dept. of Intel related lulzfest: http://archive.is/wvW7m 1764425;1515110982;asciilifeform;diana_coman: consider, not only 'programmable' but theoretically the only 'indestructible' machine yet built, where you can (at least in principle) replace ALL of the wear parts without stopping 1764426;1515111003;phf;their beards (and lack of) were of wide wariety. sure there are hypothetical ee's from 70s who switched to programming micros in the 80s who write god tier C, but bulk of them is not it 1764427;1515111047;asciilifeform;shinohai: prettygreat 1764428;1515111052;diana_coman;fwiw I take asciilifeform to mean the engineering approach vs current "programming" approach; that has little to do with "engineer" diploma or not,sadly 1764429;1515111121;asciilifeform;right, 'engineer' is more a psychological term to asciilifeform , rather like rpg character class, than diploma. 1764430;1515111188;Matthew;http://trilema.com/2016/cia-factbook-the-most-serene-republic/ 1764431;1515111194;Matthew;you guys wrote this yourself right 1764432;1515111249;asciilifeform;Matthew: that's mircea_popescu's www. 1764433;1515111263;Matthew;oh 1764434;1515111275;diana_coman;where his very self tends to write too, yes 1764435;1515111310;Matthew;ok fair enough 1764436;1515111467;diana_coman;asciilifeform, theoretically yes; at that time though I did not even go that far and it still proved to be wishful thinking 1764437;1515111539;diana_coman;shinohai, lol! 1764438;1515111574;shinohai;"We did it reddit!" in 3... 1764439;1515112558;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun! 1764440;1515112802;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763733 << consider the concept of "turkey dollars" ; http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/ 1764441;1515112802;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 15:18 ReadErr: hmm 1764442;1515113052;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, what else is there ? usg wrote its fanfic itself too. 1764443;1515113102;mircea_popescu;imagine the lulz, "circumspect" reporter going into white house alt-reality distortion field festival, "hmm... you guys came up with this shit yourselves, right ?" 1764444;1515113125;mircea_popescu;yeah, i expect so. certainly they didn't go about collecting best-kim-ung's oppinions. 1764445;1515113435;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763745 << /me dutifully follows, and duly falls upon "2) What was not implemented until recently was functions returning unconstrained arrays. This is a very tricky thing to do, as I'll describe in a moment. The week before Tri-Ada, I added a temporary, kludgy implementation to GNAT. About the only thing it had to say for itself is that it worked, but it creates serious memory leaks. It 1764446;1515113435;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 15:33 asciilifeform: !~later tell spyked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026&cpage=1#comment-18564 1764447;1515113436;mircea_popescu;is not intended as a final implementation." (the original 80wrap braindamage has been fixed). I CAN SCARCELY APPREHEND ETC 1764448;1515113525;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763753 << right, "fascist" is "what pantsuit calls non-pantsuit". ye olde http://trilema.com/2013/racists-and-socialists/ story. 1764449;1515113525;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 15:55 phf: heh "Classification of Dugin as a fascist is justified, regardless of the fact that today the MGU professor frequently speaks not as a primitive ethnocentrist or biological racist. (...) By «fascist» we understand the «generic» meaning of the concept, used in comparatory research of contemporary right-wing extremism by such well-known historians-comparativists [etc.] 1764450;1515113606;mircea_popescu;aaand in other "ugly teeth run in the family" news, http://78.media.tumblr.com/2620b35ac849769e1e1c6e8b9ad7416e/tumblr_my5xgeZoPf1rmux9jo1_1280.jpg 1764451;1515114214;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the secondary stack thing worx correctly in modern-day gnat. but i banned it. ( because it makes reading disasmed binariolade harder; reasoning about the semantics of the latter -- also harder; and consumes very scarce, on small embedded chips, memory , imho needlessly ) 1764452;1515114263;mircea_popescu;but WHY would someone involved DO THIS. it's like dentist going "and here's a squirrel i put wooden teeth into. they were plywood and didn't work very well, it's not intended for geriatric care" 1764453;1515114278;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, why the pointless animal cruelty! not like you didn't know plywood dun work for this application. 1764454;1515114286;mircea_popescu;WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN 1764455;1515114296;asciilifeform;presumably was done to implement 100% of the standard. 1764456;1515114305;mircea_popescu;standard had memorly leaks in it ? 1764457;1515114309;asciilifeform;which , as written , requires secondarystackism 1764458;1515114335;asciilifeform;it isn't a leak, as such, isn't a heap 1764459;1515114336;shinohai;Comedy that ben_vulpes might enjoy: http://archive.is/9gkfT "If we see more female figures on traffic lights that might also have a positive impact on changing the way we view the world." 1764460;1515114345;mircea_popescu;now THAT is an example of "item you should not have to fix, you should not make in first place". no memory leak ever was naturally occuring. it's not like indigestion, it's like nails hammered into skull. 1764461;1515114368;ben_vulpes;> memorly << prett good coinage 1764462;1515114371;mircea_popescu;shinohai maybe if young and topless. 1764463;1515114379;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes :p 1764464;1515114389;asciilifeform;again secondarystack is not implemented as an open-ended (unboundedly growing) item 1764465;1515114397;mircea_popescu;so ? 1764466;1515114397;asciilifeform;in any adatron that i know of 1764467;1515114406;asciilifeform;so it is incorrect to say 'memory leak'. 1764468;1515114412;mircea_popescu;man's own words. 1764469;1515114415;mircea_popescu;i quoed. 1764470;1515114417;asciilifeform;just like it isn't ebola, or tin pest. 1764471;1515114439;ben_vulpes;shinohai: i'll put it on the budget lolz shelf 1764472;1515114448;asciilifeform;oh hah he does describe how his managed to leak. 1764473;1515114454;mircea_popescu;"it worked, but it created serious memory leaks" is, of and by itself, diagnosable string. not even indicative, dispositive outright! 1764474;1515114456;asciilifeform;( failed to unwind the stack ) 1764475;1515114475;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu has it 1764476;1515114497;asciilifeform;( though will point out, consequences of this type of leak, is early death of the proggy, rather than 'ballons into red dwarf' a la prb or firefox ) 1764477;1515114510;mircea_popescu;it's not even "i wrote something that DIDNT WORK". that, is one thing. here, he wrote something, he evaluated it as "works", BUT. 1764478;1515114511;ben_vulpes;what is with these retards and their untestable hypotheses anyways, "this might blablabla the whateverwhatever". nigga can you not design an experiment? or might it be that the necessary experiments are actually impossible given the impossibility of baking metrics and disambiguating confounding factors? 1764479;1515114527;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~whole field consists of 'it works, BUT...' 1764480;1515114535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what concerns me is the man's self-evaluator. "i went to battle with the electric fence ; i won, but..." 1764481;1515114538;ben_vulpes;in other news, lowtax state of wa remarkably efficient in stark comparison to hightax state of or. 1764482;1515114542;asciilifeform;and i find it especially infuriating when they slither into islands of sanity like ada 1764483;1515114552;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mostly because nobody says ~above. 1764484;1515114586;asciilifeform;and see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764397 . 1764485;1515114586;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 00:02 asciilifeform: ( why ? e.g. naggum's canonical 'if all you need is for something to "work", and you don't give a damn when and how it fails, C++ and Perl is for you. if you care deeply about not having your software fail, you would naturally feel a correspondingly deep sense of betrayal from the authors of both languages -- because they make it so damn hard to express the fact that you do care about the failure modes.' ) 1764486;1515114598;mircea_popescu;hang on i'm working through them monsterlogs. 1764487;1515114709;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it could also be that there's so much metrage of dead air to fill and so very little to fill it with. "this may be an entertaining talkshow ; it isn't, of course, but... WSOD!!!" 1764488;1515115051;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764095 << scheuristic, ie, the schelling heuristic. like a point, except a heuristic. btw, is the point clear there ? not that "epicycles weren't abolished", but that "the substantial difference between the real item, ie, epicycles, which were so abolished, and the pantsuitology item, ie clothespin, which never existed, is exactly of the nature of defeated-enemy vs defeated-strawman" ? 1764489;1515115051;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 18:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but now merge these factual observations, which are correct BUT SUPERFICIAL, with your own knowledge on and around the scheuristic point of "coffin liners". 1764490;1515115086;mircea_popescu;it should be evident that 1. i can argue for epicycles and 2. unless you're at least this tall to ride (which is -- MUCH taller than average college professor), you CAN NOT dispel them out of my hand. 1764491;1515115096;mircea_popescu;whereas nobody can argue for clothespins. 1764492;1515115102;asciilifeform;the pantsuit picture is then presumably that somebody 'sat down to impose epicycles' ( in the spirit of 'newton sat down to...' ) ? 1764493;1515115124;mircea_popescu;no, but rather than talking of the genuine item, ie, epicycles, they talk of entirely fictitious item, ie, "human rights". 1764494;1515115143;mircea_popescu;here's a point of discussion : in the palace of versailles, the desicated excrement in the corners of the hallways was swept away once a week. 1764495;1515115176;mircea_popescu;this is uninteresting until you stop to consider that the "fascist" ancien regime (that's the word you'd use today, right ?) did NOT have the fucking ability to deny people taking a shit when they felt like taking a shit. 1764496;1515115185;mircea_popescu;seems to me a fucking human right, this. neh ? 1764497;1515115191;asciilifeform;not that it's a bad example, but 'human rights' is 'easy' bunkum , unlikely to be confused with a physically-existing item except by the deliberately mendacious folks and their useful idiots 1764498;1515115200;mircea_popescu;or is it the case that we pick and choose, and who "we" is matters, and so on etcetera. 1764499;1515115213;mircea_popescu;what fucking human rights. they're not a kind of epicycles, they're a kind of jokicicles. 1764500;1515115222;asciilifeform;more dangerous is the gabriel_laddel-style confusion, 'i dun need no book-larnin', classical mechanics is for squares, i'ma straight to genius and discovery' 1764501;1515115231;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now find "alien idea" device applied to physically existing item. 1764502;1515115263;mircea_popescu;(ftr, "epicycles" here is a categorical term to describe an array of fixes attempted to bring ptolemaic system astrology in line with observable reality) 1764503;1515115265;asciilifeform;here's a trivial corpse of an epicycle straight from asciilifeform's desk : normalization in bignummery 1764504;1515115280;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wish to see text where this item is called "alien problem". 1764505;1515115326;asciilifeform;the memory gymnastics in mpi. and 'for your convenience, we will package the defective transistors separately!11' , i'll call it here 1764506;1515115330;asciilifeform;'alien problem'. done? 1764507;1515115336;mircea_popescu;what, ex post facto like that ? 1764508;1515115347;asciilifeform;the shoe fits, neh ? 1764509;1515115356;mircea_popescu;fine, you rescued what was previously 100% pantsuit wank into a 99.(9)% item. 1764510;1515115356;asciilifeform;none of those problems exist when you fix the bitness. 1764511;1515115359;mircea_popescu;ARE YOU HAPPY NAO 1764512;1515115363;asciilifeform;lolk 1764513;1515115400;asciilifeform;and i'll point out that orig term was not coined in pantsuitistan, but by ilkka k, a surprisingly sane mathematics d00d 1764514;1515115413;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is EXACTLY what drives the "toxic fax" wank : that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764490 1764515;1515115413;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 01:18 mircea_popescu: it should be evident that 1. i can argue for epicycles and 2. unless you're at least this tall to ride (which is -- MUCH taller than average college professor), you CAN NOT dispel them out of my hand. 1764516;1515115425;BingoBoingo; diana_coman: picture, if su survived, you might be designing votingcircuit cpu for e.g. 'buran' << In veintenary switches! 1764517;1515115435;asciilifeform;lol 1764518;1515115461;mircea_popescu;so following recursively down the rabbit hole (see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761834 ) it then follows that this being a problem "they shouldn't have to have" etcetera. 1764519;1515115461;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 16:39 mircea_popescu: don't lie, because if you do you form a sort of mental habit that will prevent you from ever inventing anything. 1764520;1515115476;asciilifeform;pretty much every boy thinks that the maths he hasn't learned yet, 'is epicycle' 1764521;1515115482;asciilifeform;!#s fermat crackpots 1764522;1515115482;a111;0 results for "fermat crackpots", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fermat%20crackpots 1764523;1515115485;asciilifeform;hmm 1764524;1515115491;asciilifeform;!#s elementary fermat 1764525;1515115491;a111;5 results for "elementary fermat", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=elementary%20fermat 1764526;1515115495;asciilifeform;^ see also. 1764527;1515115530;mircea_popescu;it'd also be RATHER FUCKING SHOCKING just how much intelligence is needed to merely maintain the border between "tru science" and "discredited paradigm". 1764528;1515115539;asciilifeform;( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1679837 ) 1764529;1515115539;a111;Logged on 2017-07-07 01:17 asciilifeform: wiles, see, 'doesn't count' because 'too long and uses things not taught in kindergarten and wtf is this' 1764530;1515115548;mircea_popescu;exactly because "technology helps the theives too, is policework-neutral overall" phenomenon. 1764531;1515115593;mircea_popescu;"oh, DO WE STILL HAVE TO DO THIS ?!?!?! IN 2018 ?!?! EPICYCLES ?!?!?". gimme a break, you can't light a fucking lightbulb. 1764532;1515115672;asciilifeform;the saving grace is that it is not , in practice, usually difficult to distinguish the folx who are at least earnestly shooting for maxwellization ( and prepared to acknowledge failure ; THEIR ~personal~ failure ) from the gabriel_laddels 1764533;1515115686;mircea_popescu;im not even sure about that much. 1764534;1515115697;mircea_popescu;it is easy to come up with a partition one can live with himself. 1764535;1515115725;mircea_popescu;it is notoriously difficult for fathers to pick competent sons for daughters / stalins to pick competent successors etc. 1764536;1515115737;mircea_popescu;s/sons/husbands/ w/e. 1764537;1515115757;asciilifeform;the litmus asciilifeform lives with is, roughly: show him a pertinent item made of 'maths he hasn't learned'; is response 'hmm, lemme disappear for a week into my study and come back' or ... 'I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO !111' 1764538;1515115772;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1764539;1515115783;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is especially difficult for fathers with... nothing to pick from 1764540;1515115804;mircea_popescu;this is the case at least 50% of the time throughout history. 1764541;1515115819;asciilifeform;'to pull rabbit from a hat, he must be actually in the hat' 1764542;1515115831;mircea_popescu;consider the case of "evil" scientists that were WRONG 1764543;1515115842;mircea_popescu;such as you know, "please wash your hands" doctor. 1764544;1515115849;asciilifeform;pretty good example 1764545;1515115856;mircea_popescu;no shortage. 1764546;1515115859;asciilifeform;aha 1764547;1515115878;mircea_popescu;yes, heuristics exist, and can be used. that's about it. 1764548;1515115896;asciilifeform;that's the only it. 1764549;1515115918;asciilifeform;the gods only dropped heuristics, not revelations. 1764550;1515115952;mircea_popescu;now then, back to the issue : i suspect "alien problem" is a worse than useless heuristic, in the exact sense "web metric" are a worse than useless management aid. 1764551;1515115972;mircea_popescu;in that it does little more than veneer bias into some kind of dysfunctional reification. 1764552;1515116013;asciilifeform;what's the dysfunctional veneering in saying to the fat-tard 'stop having become fat' rather than 'here is how to rework train seats everywhere' ? 1764553;1515116028;mircea_popescu;the epicycles, before removal, a) had a history whcih b) was understood by the removers. the "alien problem" is how lazy jwz say "i don't want to read", by and large. 1764554;1515116060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a difference between poet ignoring language convention and junior high "innocent bystander who happens to be black" ignoring same. 1764555;1515116125;asciilifeform;'alien problem' is how one says to the folx who maneuver themselves into a dead end, and who very much were architects of their own misfortune, that their problems are NOT 'the problem of all mankind' and that to construct for them 'solutions', such as they would accept, is harmful to the sane 1764556;1515116137;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the train seats issue is particularly iffy, considering how japanese did rework in 70s. 1764557;1515116141;mircea_popescu;60s, w/e. 1764558;1515116200;asciilifeform;this is again the 'i can tell gabriel_laddel from maxwell' . asciilifeform , and mircea_popescu , and any sane folx can trivially distinguish 'less malnutrited japanese' from 'mcfood-eater' transformations 1764559;1515116218;asciilifeform;this is the wine-with-chickenshit-subtracted from yesterday's thread. 1764560;1515116229;mircea_popescu;you just restated http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268 1764561;1515116229;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning." 1764562;1515116250;asciilifeform;it's true, whether or not i restate it, lol 1764563;1515116292;mircea_popescu;well, so then, "alien problem is how an authority may choose to communicate the excommunication of a class of activity" lel. 1764564;1515116340;mircea_popescu;but in any case, i'm satisfied this ass was well beaten to pulp. 1764565;1515116344;asciilifeform;it is that. but also imho a reasonable engineering term. it describes the engineering equivalent of obesity 1764566;1515116375;asciilifeform;aite 1764567;1515116405;BingoBoingo;You know who loves making fun of the Obese: Latinos 1764568;1515116410;mircea_popescu;btw, you ever read tiganiada ? did i ask this before ? 1764569;1515116418;mircea_popescu;i suspect at level where might well enjoy it 1764570;1515116429;asciilifeform;it's on the list, from old thread 1764571;1515116434;asciilifeform;not yet eaten by asciilifeform , nope 1764572;1515116461;mircea_popescu;ah yes, cool. 1764573;1515116487;asciilifeform;asciilifeform currently reading various fairytales. 1764574;1515116544;mircea_popescu;some good stuff there. 1764575;1515116550;asciilifeform;oohyea 1764576;1515116605;*;asciilifeform just had quite interesting conv with pet re the harsh 'cold equations' light of 'fefeleaga' vs the socialisto-gunk of 'les miserables' 1764577;1515116633;mircea_popescu;ikr ? 1764578;1515116674;mircea_popescu;"human rights" hurr. nobody reading that thought "o hey, how great, old woman gets ground into the dirt". HOWEVER, the difference between sane person and moderntard is that they also didn't go "HEY, PIXIE DUST!!! MAKE ALL BETTER!!!" 1764579;1515116676;mircea_popescu;what fucking better. 1764580;1515116684;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1764581;1515116690;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15114.99, vol: 14781.61107198 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15077.0, vol: 44836.08867496 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15209.0, vol: 3536.72083144 | Volume-weighted last average: 15093.2839045 1764582;1515116801;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764183 << alan kay is actually not so greatly regarded here ; or at least by me. certainly not his later meta stuff. 1764583;1515116801;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 18:41 esthlos: guys like alan kay push a certain political narrative, but it doesnt add up 1764584;1515116967;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764186 << so i dutifully follow, and i duly end up on " I have a new interview question, and you can have it too: "The industry has a gender balance problem. Why is this?" [ed: see postscript]" 1764585;1515116967;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 18:43 esthlos: oh fun, the blog of the guile lead: http://wingolog.org/ 1764586;1515117001;mircea_popescu;motherfucker... NOBODY CARES. seriouyslty now. it makes exactly zero difference for any practical purpose "in the industry" whether you chain up all the women and sell them off to martians. 1764587;1515117045;mircea_popescu;all these fucktards "being involved" in various topics through insistently discussing what they read in hustler. jacking off doesn't make you a beautician/car mechanic/architect/dentist/etcetera. it may make you blind, apparently, to the world around, but whatevs. 1764588;1515117108;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764187 << yeah, like http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/privilege-linguists.jpg 1764589;1515117108;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 18:44 asciilifeform: why am i reading about e.g. '...ignorance about the lived experience of women compiler writers, say, can lead to hurtful behavior...' ? 1764590;1515117193;mircea_popescu; http://wingolog.org/archives/2017/09/05/a-new-interview-question#cd7ce15868f2195baa8586069393901a4b2e182e for the record. 1764591;1515117285;mircea_popescu;!#s andy wingo 1764592;1515117286;a111;0 results for "andy wingo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=andy%20wingo 1764593;1515117290;mircea_popescu;shocking. 1764594;1515117339;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764188 << why dehyphenate at all ? 1764595;1515117339;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 18:44 phf: esthlos: reflecting on it a bit, tricky part of k&p for plain text is de-hyphenating for reflow 1764596;1515117357;mircea_popescu;i do not wish to see de-hyphenate or chumpa-tron split up. 1764597;1515117584;mircea_popescu;!~google wgah'nagl fhtagn 1764598;1515117586;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Citations:ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah ' nagl fhtagn ...: ; ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah ' nagl fhtagn - Wiktionary: ; Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah ' nagl fhtagn - (1 more message) 1764599;1515117754;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764210 << kinda unfortunate he disappeared yeah. 1764600;1515117754;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 18:58 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 << "Oh really? I never guessed he was an actor. Touche." if only tlp was around... 1764601;1515118059;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 << lol "what did you run into?" "an article about rape." oh, THAT one.... about as useful a criterion for a trilema article by now as "has sentences" and "occasionally punctuated" 1764602;1515118059;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true 1764603;1515118118;mircea_popescu;yeah, trilema not a very good field for the "oh, ima be vague" approach. it's called trilema because it has at least three of everything! 1764604;1515118212;mircea_popescu;"intelligence is only a labor-saving device. less intelligent people can in principle create just as elegant solutions, but it would normally take them more effort to get there." <<< ajhaha NO! FUCKING! WAY! 1764605;1515118247;phf;why hyphenate or why dehyphenate? the first is not necessary but reduces the value of k&s since basically there's very little play available with monospaced spaces 1764606;1515118284;mircea_popescu;phf but hyphens are fundamentally different from spaces. the two are not semantically equivalent. 1764607;1515118298;mircea_popescu;this is like starting a new paragraph on double \n and also on double l. 1764608;1515118373;phf;no no, the reason why i bring up space is that you basically have two things that k&s can play with: hyphenation and elastic spaces. the two are balanced in some magical way 1764609;1515118387;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the naggum quote above : a better statement would be to say that every problem comes with an iq functional which could be approximated as a (x-fiq)^3 + b(x-fiq) ; the a, b and fiq are parameters of the problem, the x is where the solver's iq goes. if his iq is lower than the fiq required by the problem, his "work" comes out negative. 1764610;1515118404;mircea_popescu;the rules for adding multiple xn together are more complex than straight addition, but not complex enough to manage a positive out of negatives. 1764611;1515118441;phf;when you eliminate hyphenation as a concern, you're just left with elastic spaces, but you don't have those in monospace plain text. you just have full sized spaces, but their granularity is so high as to be almost useless 1764612;1515118521;mircea_popescu;phf a 120 col line will contain a number of words distriburted around 23.7 ; this means your spaces being elastic works to some degree. i will hold up trilema as an example of this, would you say elastic spaces are not working for it ? 1764613;1515118708;phf;elastic spaces in this case means variable width spaces. you can't have that in plain text. you can either have foo_bar or foo__bar or ... 1764614;1515118746;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764226 << either that or "either you produce a naked female employee on her knees right this second, or else your fucktarded shenanigans just cost you a 580% salary increase for being a bunch of repugnant scum" 1764615;1515118746;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 19:23 ben_vulpes: > i haven't tried this test yet << and you don't know that it only works on the feeble minded, literally anyone else is going to see exactly what you're doing and give the canned response that you want: "the patriarchy keeps women down and what is really called for is demoting and docking mens wages, and promoting science education for little girls, and generally eradicating the constructed gender binary so 1764616;1515118774;mircea_popescu;phf do i have to screenshot this ? 1764617;1515118790;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ << third paragraph, 1st line space is 160% of 2nd line 1764618;1515118933;phf;might need a screenshot, i'm not seeing that on my machine (or possibly also being dense) 1764619;1515118935;mircea_popescu;(upon actual measurement, notrly, 1st 368 to 381 vs 2nd 186 to 197 vs 3rd 232 to 242 ; so 13, 11, 10 etc. ) 1764620;1515119020;mircea_popescu;phf http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/trilema-spaces.png ? 1764621;1515119081;mircea_popescu;(last line 661 to 669, so 8 ; from 13 to 8 the variation indeed is 160% so hah! 1764622;1515119238;phf;right, but you can't do that in plain text file 1764623;1515119246;mircea_popescu;phf incidentally, which 3 pages did you mean ? xach search returns like 50 1764624;1515119254;mircea_popescu;phf who the fuck sez ? 1764625;1515119269;mircea_popescu;(+if my articles aren't plaintext what are they bonus) 1764626;1515119290;*;asciilifeform ended up reading all 3 pgs ( of results, plural ! ) 1764627;1515119298;asciilifeform;much goodstuff 1764628;1515119306;mircea_popescu;it is, but i was curious re what he meant. 1764629;1515119337;phf;oh oh, algo (and the machinery) being discussed is for hard line reflow. (you run M-q in emacs and it'll reflow the paragraph for you with newlines introduced) 1764630;1515119361;mircea_popescu;ah 1764631;1515119362;mircea_popescu;bs. 1764632;1515119364;phf;:D 1764633;1515119382;mircea_popescu;the day i want the machine to write text for me ima just buy all the girls strapons and they can fuck each other too 1764634;1515119398;phf;write text? 1764635;1515119400;mircea_popescu;while i watch mad max the future or whatever the fuck i'd do in this weird crapsack world 1764636;1515119405;mircea_popescu;phf yes. 1764637;1515119409;phf;whyyyyy 1764638;1515119420;mircea_popescu;i dunno, you want it to stuff \n in there for you. 1764639;1515119428;mircea_popescu;why not also the interjection "you know ?" or i guess "mon" 1764640;1515119440;asciilifeform;fwiw i linebreakulate by hand 1764641;1515119461;mircea_popescu;me too. ONCE PER FUCKING PARAGRAPH. 1764642;1515119481;mircea_popescu;but i guess if emacs feels the sentence needs more random gibberish instilled who am i to not permit it. 1764643;1515119495;asciilifeform;( to 80col. when writing proggy. to mircea_popescutronic 1 per para, when writing human. ) 1764644;1515119508;asciilifeform;proggy ain't reflowable. 1764645;1515119524;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you seriously \ out oo-cpp gnarl to 80 ? 1764646;1515119530;mircea_popescu;like, 40 line procedure calls and shit ? 1764647;1515119547;asciilifeform;i dun write those, wtf 1764648;1515119554;asciilifeform;alienproblem!11 1764649;1515119556;mircea_popescu;oh oh oh I SEE HOW IT IS 1764650;1515119565;asciilifeform;srsly why 1764651;1515119568;mircea_popescu;what if one dayu you have to read cpp videocard stuff ? what THEN ? 1764652;1515119573;mircea_popescu;special pleading city over here. 1764653;1515119593;asciilifeform;where is this, why not show 1764654;1515119602;mircea_popescu;i tell you if the shit was multiple lines per line i would just exudate my lungs through the skinpores on my back out of sheer fury. 1764655;1515119665;asciilifeform;whereas if i find myself EVER horizontalscrolling, insta-barf 1764656;1515119699;asciilifeform;and if i can't print it without indent-destroying reflow, or use of tiny letters, ditto 1764657;1515119711;phf;well, luckily mp doesn't produce v patches, so this a non-issue 1764658;1515119713;*;phf ducks 1764659;1515119716;asciilifeform;lol 1764660;1515119752;asciilifeform;srsly non80col proggy has burden of justifying the 'wtf, why', just like nonstandard railroad gauge 1764661;1515119782;mircea_popescu;so you want "\t\t\t\t\tcsRef objectIter = engine->GetNearbyMeshes(mesh->GetMovable()->GetSectors()->Get(0), oldpos + boundingBox.GetCenter(), boundingBox.GetSize().Norm() * 2);" to be instead 1764662;1515119783;mircea_popescu;\t\t\t\t\tcsRef objectIter = engine->\ 1764663;1515119783;mircea_popescu;GetNearbyMeshes(mesh->GetMovable()->GetSectors()->Get(0), oldpos + boundingBox.\ 1764664;1515119783;mircea_popescu;GetCenter(), boundingBox.GetSize().Norm() * 2); 1764665;1515119783;mircea_popescu;? 1764666;1515119812;asciilifeform;this dun render unambiguously on me terminal 1764667;1515119818;asciilifeform;paste plox ? 1764668;1515119875;asciilifeform;meanwhile observe asciilifeform's formatting in ffa 1764669;1515119876;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XJQ6d/?raw=true 1764670;1515119907;asciilifeform;i.e. if function call simple, i.e. fits on 1 line -- then 1line; if not -- then 1 arg per line. 1764671;1515119909;mircea_popescu;phf omfg is that phfatry opressing me ?! 1764672;1515119912;asciilifeform;leaves room for comments also. 1764673;1515119933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, this lispier way is much better. 1764674;1515119939;asciilifeform;so answer to mircea_popescu's q is, neither ! 1764675;1515119943;mircea_popescu;heh. 1764676;1515119949;phf;mircea_popescu: you don't necessarily need to introduce a break, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764371 1764677;1515119949;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 23:45 phf: in a proper program 80 col is an indicator of s/n, density and all kinds of lateral properties, that can be communicated between professionals, because you can know ahead of time, what you're dealing with by shape, and have a rough estimate for the token count 1764678;1515119963;mircea_popescu;but at issue here aere the comments ; and make no mistake about it -- since we're doing the whole literate thing this is very important. 1764679;1515120008;phf;so a dangle like that is an indicator. in fact a dangle like that usually exists in programs that don't 80 column. but sometimes a dangle like that might just be necessary 1764680;1515120018;mircea_popescu;phf i've little problem with people writing code in whatever line lengths they want to. but comments of arbitrary cut are infuriating (though admittedly 80col not nearly so much as 50whatever) 1764681;1515120078;asciilifeform;if your cut is substantially below 80, it is merely annoying and wasteful of vertical. however if ~above~ 80, it makes yer code unprintable without substantial rework 1764682;1515120138;asciilifeform;( can do ~120 on a4 if pressed. but leaves little margin room to write in ) 1764683;1515120176;*;mircea_popescu will link here http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/#selection-83.0-83.18 because heh. 1764684;1515120179;mircea_popescu;ONE LINE! 1764685;1515120196;asciilifeform;lol why not link obfuscatedccontest also 1764686;1515120205;mircea_popescu;only a coupla kb. 1764687;1515120206;asciilifeform;with the cock-shaped codes 1764688;1515120228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unlike said contest, this snipped had real world impact! 1764689;1515120266;ben_vulpes;now that we've done indentation, how about aligning variables on the right side of = operators 1764690;1515120280;mircea_popescu;are we even done ? ;/ 1764691;1515120281;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: observe again style in ffa 1764692;1515120288;ben_vulpes;or even aligning the = operators themselves 1764693;1515120294;asciilifeform;declarations ditto 1764694;1515120313;asciilifeform;align, imho, all that can be aligned. does wonders for reading. 1764695;1515120320;mircea_popescu;hm. 1764696;1515120330;phf;c had a somewhat right idea with ident :p you feed a proggy in, it force formats it for you 1764697;1515120331;mircea_popescu;this is not even a bad argument. fixwidth speeds scan for code for sure. 1764698;1515120366;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L205 1764699;1515120383;mircea_popescu;is the conclusion of this standards board discussion that "fu mp, live with 80col comments, we're not gonna reflow shit for you" then ? 1764700;1515120387;asciilifeform;phf: i force-format my ada. this only affects indents tho 1764701;1515120419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho 1 lf per para is The Right Thing ~in humanolade strictly~ 1764702;1515120448;asciilifeform;where autoreflow does therighthing ~100% 1764703;1515120462;asciilifeform;but in proggy -- 80col ideal. 1764704;1515120468;mircea_popescu;i can't come up with any good counters. 1764705;1515120533;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#1848 << and fuck you if you want to make a command with a name more than 1char longer than "walletpassphrasechange" 1764706;1515120555;mircea_popescu;oh btw -- variable names like that fucking suck. 1764707;1515120566;mircea_popescu;we need a named item grammar. 1764708;1515120568;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: make, why not. then it gets to be 2line 1764709;1515120605;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall tigerfibel ? 1764710;1515120622;asciilifeform;the germans had a grammar, for shorthand of orders 1764711;1515120629;ben_vulpes;other lulzies in the same vein http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#2418 and http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#0309 1764712;1515120649;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: entirely sensible! 1764713;1515120652;asciilifeform;so loading of cannon was sumthing like 'fa-la-ma-fo' 1764714;1515120689;*;asciilifeform recently reread 'tigerfibel', really a megaclassic of technical writing for all time 1764715;1515121050;phf;mircea_popescu: 80col is such an old holiwar you're risking myself or ascii moving in a backyard and building defensive possitions, like those boys they bring from iraq do. "son, you can come out now, we showed those no break somsabeaches" 1764716;1515121103;asciilifeform;'if i can't use my drum printer, i dun want yer revolution' or how did emma goldman put it.. 1764717;1515121523;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1764718;1515121536;mircea_popescu;on both cvounts. 1764719;1515121552;mircea_popescu;phf fine! 1764720;1515121566;mircea_popescu;can't even reform anything around here! 1764721;1515121672;mircea_popescu;so to have closure, i suppose http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763975 should read "80 cols plox what is this" 1764722;1515121672;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 17:31 mircea_popescu: esthlos please let your paragraphs flow. please. 1764723;1515121860;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764241 << see ? three!!1 three secret retorts!! 1764724;1515121860;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 19:58 ben_vulpes: yes i know, in ro 1764725;1515121888;ben_vulpes;i'm still waiting on my three secret beakers 1764726;1515121901;mircea_popescu;wait wut ? 1764727;1515121907;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764245 << suspicious, isn't it ? 1764728;1515121907;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 20:10 asciilifeform: ( likbez : all you need for the mythical holy grail, 'fast iron rsa', is a very large-bitnessed adder-cum-barrelshifter and a few storage registers that can be programmatically shuffled between. ) 1764729;1515121924;ben_vulpes;terribru pun on glassware 1764730;1515121936;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which ? 1764731;1515121945;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764246 << this is a very apt commentary on the value of 1bn orcs piled up together. 1764732;1515121945;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 20:10 BingoBoingo: In other news from the price is right department: "The personal information of more than a billion Indians stored in the world's largest biometric database can be bought online for less than $8, according to an investigation by an Indian newspaper." 1764733;1515121958;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that -- yes, can have, but cripled like so 1764734;1515121971;asciilifeform;oh it's simply a painfully small cpld is all 1764735;1515121987;asciilifeform;was never meant for 'make own cpu' 1764736;1515121993;asciilifeform;but for 'glue' 1764737;1515122015;mircea_popescu;could have shifts! 1764738;1515122082;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710096 << see also thread, re concretes 1764739;1515122082;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 19:42 asciilifeform: biggest ice part is the ICE40HX8K 1764740;1515122165;mircea_popescu;now let's see here : "Meltdown breaks all security assumptions given by the CPU’s memory isolation capabilities." vs "So given that there is in fact no secure memory implementation no matter how much it would be useful if there was one, EuCrypt takes instead the honest and practical approach of making it clear that it uses plain memory and nothing else." 1764741;1515122174;mircea_popescu;who's ahead and who;s behind in the great technological race of 2010s ? 1764742;1515122198;mircea_popescu;note to journahos of the future : include a plain statement of the above fact in your opening salvo or else. 1764743;1515122272;asciilifeform;proofofconcept btw is pretty great, reads arbitrary pg of ram from wwwbrowser jsolade 1764744;1515122282;mircea_popescu;aha 1764745;1515122362;asciilifeform;( does 0 on pre-obummer amd, i will add ) 1764746;1515122382;mircea_popescu;i'm too lazy to dig up where mp says he uses old amds, but w/e. 1764747;1515122415;asciilifeform;errybody literate, i suspect, uses 1764748;1515122415;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764256 << let's leave it at that 1764749;1515122415;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 20:19 ben_vulpes: btw how come nobody in the "stop rape culture!!11" world has done an indiestarter to build the vagina dentata from neal stephenson's snow crash? 1764750;1515122426;mircea_popescu;btw, vafgina dentata is from freud not from john smith. 1764751;1515122459;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: subj is a type of boobytrap, vs freud's 1764752;1515122476;mircea_popescu;(and there was some idiot sheila from down below years ago ; i recall lulzing in the logs as to how this wonder will drive rapist to a) probe and b) beat into a squirming, faceless mess any bitch dumb enough to go around with it) 1764753;1515122479;asciilifeform;never afaik used in life, for obvious reason 1764754;1515122493;mircea_popescu;pretty sure we lulzed at this exact item, years ago. 1764755;1515122505;asciilifeform;'mr.bayonet goes in first' 1764756;1515122594;asciilifeform;'В комнату заходите вдвоем: сначала граната, потом - ты' (tm)(r) 1764757;1515122657;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2012-10-15#-230312 << linked mostly for the bitcoin prices. 1764758;1515122657;a111;Logged on 2012-10-15 05:01 BTC-Mining: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device#Rape-aXe 1764759;1515123014;asciilifeform;http://fakty.ua/187680-esli-vo-vremya-zachistki-slyshish-v-pomecshenii-myaukane-iz-shkafa-ne-otkryvaj-vmeste-s-kotenkom-tam-mozhet-byt-spryatana-granata << collection of similar aphorisms, for dedicated archaeologist. 1764760;1515123076;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764309 << but abstinence only is good for you. 1764761;1515123076;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 21:16 phf: a forced popup that warns you that you're sending to http from https, but there's no about:config to disable the popup. 9 years of "ffs put a boolean in configs, you fucks" 1764762;1515123294;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764319 << twas exhaustively discussed last time! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737379 1764763;1515123294;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 22:30 asciilifeform: 'top 2 bits and bottom bit are ALWAYS 1!' << asciilifeform still doesn't get why to weld the next-to-highest 1764764;1515123294;a111;Logged on 2017-11-14 01:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 11 x 11 = 1001 ; 10 x 10 = 0100 1764765;1515123315;mircea_popescu;the ONLY way to make sure the top bit of a product is set, is to have BOTH top bits in BOTH factors set. 1764766;1515123317;asciilifeform;so why not, then, 3 ? 1764767;1515123326;mircea_popescu;because 3rd makes no difference. 1764768;1515123343;mircea_popescu;110 x 110 and 111 x 111 BOTH result in a 1yyy 1764769;1515123360;asciilifeform;hm. 1764770;1515123385;asciilifeform;so does 11... x 10... tho 1764771;1515123390;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter. 1764772;1515123397;mircea_popescu;if you don't set it, it can always be worst case. 1764773;1515123426;asciilifeform;throws away whole bit of entropy in each factor, for nuffin 1764774;1515123432;mircea_popescu;for something. 1764775;1515123438;mircea_popescu;fixlength N. 1764776;1515123486;asciilifeform;wainot http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737387 pill ? 1764777;1515123486;a111;Logged on 2017-11-14 01:09 asciilifeform: the way i'd implement the whole shebang, is simply to reject both primes if the highest bit of pq is not 1 . 1764778;1515123508;mircea_popescu;faster this way. 1764779;1515123527;asciilifeform;rot13 fastest, lol 1764780;1515123568;mircea_popescu;yes well, we're looking at ~10 second m-r run per item, so like half a day to produce a pair of primes. 1764781;1515123585;mircea_popescu;im not throwing them away 93% of the time 1764782;1515123706;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764342 << cuz i've been mostly the one guy reading her code to date i guess ? 1764783;1515123706;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 23:01 asciilifeform: why not stick to the ancestral 80col, folx?? 1764784;1515123740;asciilifeform;1/4 not .93 lol 1764785;1515123798;mircea_popescu;any of 6 bits not being set -> chucked item ; 2^6 = 64 so 1 in 64 ie 1.5% or so pass. 1764786;1515123835;asciilifeform;why 6 1764787;1515123874;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's algo was 'if top bit of p*q not set, get new p,q' 1764788;1515123897;mircea_popescu;!!up kook00 1764789;1515123898;deedbot;kook00 voiced for 30 minutes. 1764790;1515123910;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you ok with fixing bottom bit ? 1764791;1515123924;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gotta odd p,q 1764792;1515123935;mircea_popescu;so ? test for parity! throw out! 1764793;1515123939;asciilifeform;there's not an escape from bottom 1764794;1515123953;mircea_popescu;i don't want the 1/4 bit of parity 1764795;1515123954;asciilifeform;that wouldn't win anything tho 1764796;1515123986;asciilifeform;whereas my algo preserves the entropy of the penultimate bit. 1764797;1515124001;mircea_popescu;i dun want it. 1764798;1515124019;asciilifeform;aite. so long as you know what yer buying. 1764799;1515124037;mircea_popescu;i'm dealing with "four rounds of m-r and a 5th fixed with 2, so as to fix the cone of blindness" bs and you want me to care about the 2047th bit ? 1764800;1515124053;mircea_popescu;dja understand motherfucking koch fixed one of the witnesses in mr ? 1764801;1515124070;asciilifeform;aha 1764802;1515124090;mircea_popescu;what nsa gains from being able to rely on 2 rather than 44444444444444444 is anyone's fucking guess 1764803;1515124091;asciilifeform;( 'fixed' rng also.. ) 1764804;1515124125;mircea_popescu;"oh, 2 is a great witness for odd composites" "so would have been any other even number" "yes but... umm..." 1764805;1515124180;asciilifeform;'can't pick witnesses trngistically because reasons' 1764806;1515124218;asciilifeform;i mean ffs, koch dun even leave a knob to get ~key~ entropy trngistically. 1764807;1515124232;asciilifeform;'what if running on toaster, with no rng' 1764808;1515124257;mircea_popescu;what if running on his mother. 1764809;1515124314;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764363 << possibly should auction the piles. 1764810;1515124314;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 23:39 asciilifeform: generally my page will in the end have ~equal area of pencilmark and printerola 1764811;1515124315;asciilifeform;the sheer wtf, srsly, consider the folx who imagine they are somehow cryptoizing on a machine with no trng 1764812;1515124488;asciilifeform;re prime gen -- i suspect that the problem can be finessed , 1764813;1515124493;mircea_popescu;holy hell i lived to see the end of the 4th day of 2018 logs. 1764814;1515124533;asciilifeform;specifically that a proof of uniformity for an apeloyee-style primeconstructor mechanism, is in nearer reach than a runnable-on-2048b-ints aks. 1764815;1515124567;mircea_popescu;i'd read. 1764816;1515124580;asciilifeform;( but not having it yet -- asciilifeform cannot say for a fact. ) 1764817;1515124580;mircea_popescu;tho i am deeply suspicious of constructed primes. 1764818;1515124587;asciilifeform;rightfully. 1764819;1515124605;asciilifeform;there is pointedly NOT a safe constructor known. 1764820;1515124618;asciilifeform;( see the thread ) 1764821;1515124733;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733382 << subj. 1764822;1515124733;a111;Logged on 2017-11-07 16:36 asciilifeform: let's model the ideal prime-shitter. it would be an item that takes integer N , of whatever bitness, and produce the Nth prime ( or eggog if the Nth prime is bigger than the register bitness permitted. ) 1764823;1515124842;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764429 << im impressed you're aware 1764824;1515124842;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 00:12 asciilifeform: right, 'engineer' is more a psychological term to asciilifeform , rather like rpg character class, than diploma. 1764825;1515124866;asciilifeform;lolwhy 1764826;1515124877;mircea_popescu;im easily impressed, what. 1764827;1515124982;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no method to produce nth prime. 1764828;1515125165;asciilifeform;noshit 1764829;1515125187;asciilifeform;one of the biggest unsolveds , since greeks 1764830;1515125214;asciilifeform;nor do i expect to see a solution. 1764831;1515125228;asciilifeform;then again i didn't expect 'primes is in p' either. 1764832;1515125355;mircea_popescu;it'll be funny 5mn years from now, when we're all sitting around with whatever pools & eggnogs of the future and rsa still stands, undaunted, in preference of ~everything else. 1764833;1515125368;mircea_popescu;"turns out primes isn't even in W!" 1764834;1515125381;asciilifeform;and will add, that it is theoretically possible to satisfy asciilifeform's uniformity criterion ( 'avoids no primes' + 'no bit of input is more influential over the output than any other bit' ) without creating the mythical n-th-prime-maker 1764835;1515125394;asciilifeform;lol 1764836;1515125460;mircea_popescu; asciilifeform you have a different problem : even if "no bit of input is more influential than other" i STILL want to put in no less than 2045 bits of input ; AND get out no MORE! than 2048 bit long prime. 1764837;1515125464;mircea_popescu;so you don't have much to work with. 1764838;1515125485;asciilifeform;the described item is trivially impossible 1764839;1515125489;mircea_popescu;quite my point. 1764840;1515125494;mircea_popescu;but any other item is worse than what we have now. 1764841;1515125502;asciilifeform;most 2048bitness state is composite 1764842;1515125514;asciilifeform;i dun see how worse 1764843;1515125519;mircea_popescu;if your magic maker uses say 2044 bits of input, therefore you have half as many possible states than i do! 1764844;1515125527;mircea_popescu;so you're half as wide, so end of story. 1764845;1515125556;asciilifeform;mno. you have same 2044 or whatnot. just takes you longer. and with m-r , also chance to step on a mine. 1764846;1515125597;mircea_popescu;consider : mp-prime takes 2045 bits from trng, spits out after some wrangling 2048 bit prime number ; meanwhile alf-prime takes 45 bits from trng, spits out after some wrangling 2048 bit prime. 1764847;1515125602;mircea_popescu;mp-prime is stronger than alf-prime. 1764848;1515125628;asciilifeform;why 45 ? 1764849;1515125636;mircea_popescu;anything other than 2045 loses. 1764850;1515125660;asciilifeform;there aint 2045 bits of primespace under 2048b of integerspace. 1764851;1515125701;mircea_popescu;about 1 in 2k numbers is prime there. 1764852;1515125706;mircea_popescu;so say 2^11. 1764853;1515125728;asciilifeform;so that's the actual keyspace available. 1764854;1515125733;asciilifeform;under 2048. 1764855;1515125742;mircea_popescu;even if i admit this objection, which i dunno i should but let's, for fellowship -- 2037 still not much room to work with 1764856;1515125755;asciilifeform;can get to it the current way, or, hypothetically, some martian way. 1764857;1515125770;asciilifeform;i dun have the martian one, ftr. 1764858;1515125778;asciilifeform;all i got, is m-r 1764859;1515125858;asciilifeform;would be neat to generate keys in bounded time. and know primality for a fact. BUT i dun have, yet, such a pill. 1764860;1515126008;mircea_popescu;moreover! while there's just as many integers with the 1337th bit set as there are with it nul, nevertheless it's trivially not the case that there's just as many 2048 bit prime numbers with it set as there are with it null. 1764861;1515126022;mircea_popescu;ie, prime numbers themselves do not follow this 'no bit of input is more influential over the output than any other bit' rule. 1764862;1515126031;mircea_popescu;(now go, predict things about how it falls) 1764863;1515126032;asciilifeform;expand? 1764864;1515126056;asciilifeform;( i can't see from where mircea_popescu extracts this ) 1764865;1515126133;mircea_popescu;you expect you have an even count of prime numbers ? 1764866;1515126136;asciilifeform;afaik no known pattern 1764867;1515126172;mircea_popescu;no known pattern ; but no homogenity either. there's always an even count of integers in a given bitsize ; but not necessarily an even count of primes. 1764868;1515126181;asciilifeform;try it 1764869;1515126189;*;asciilifeform brb,meat 1764870;1515126192;mircea_popescu;try what ? 1764871;1515126237;mircea_popescu;7 primes in 4 bits, for instance. 1764872;1515127009;mircea_popescu;diana_coman "to unsure" -> ensure 1764873;1515127176;mircea_popescu;"go and read some basic books" -> "read, re-read and understand TAOCP" ? or what, add K&R in there ? steele's 2002 thing ? 1764874;1515127288;mircea_popescu;diana_coman technically it's incorrect to say "6 bits will always be 1" ; it's the case that the first and the last bits of N are always 1 ; and a further number of bits are subtly affected (ie, biased) by the p, q masks. 1764875;1515127304;*;mircea_popescu will take this to the comment section now. 1764876;1515127842;mircea_popescu;!!up kook00 1764877;1515127843;deedbot;kook00 voiced for 30 minutes. 1764878;1515128585;mircea_popescu;in other antiqua entomologica arcana, https://www.xemacs.org/About/XEmacsVsGNUemacs.html 1764879;1515130405;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> holy hell i lived to see the end of the 4th day of 2018 logs. << ikr! 1764880;1515130888;mod6;ni ni :] 1764881;1515132456;mircea_popescu;"doom is inevitable, BTW. mankind will die out, planet earth will be vaporized when Sol goes nova, if not sooner, and then Common Lisp will have to acknowledge defeat to the unwavering hostility of the universe. for those of us who plan to become immortal, this is a serious concern." <<< 1999 naggum was apparently planning for immortality ? 1764882;1515133305;mircea_popescu;https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129644482406982@naggum.no.html << this exchange with fare is pretty amusing/informative both wrt "who is this francois-rene rideau character ?" and as an early "bitcoin improvements from the sewer" sampler/potputre. 1764883;1515135827;mircea_popescu;other than the lovely "if you launched all pantsuit in outer space, do you expect seti would manage to find any ?" putdown, valuable lesson from naggum : inept bureaucrats / insufferable cucks / other "people themselves" try to barnacle their inept nonsense (in original, scheme) on pre-existing "brand" (as they perceive it ; in the original -- lisp) for the transparently transactional reason that this way they "get to" (as th 1764884;1515135827;mircea_popescu;ey perceive it) blame all their (ample) shortcomings on the hulk barnacled while claiming all the (scant) benefit as own. 1764885;1515135898;mircea_popescu;these letters from a time before empire-of-idiots was formalized and understood as such are about as fascinating as a child's experience from before it understood any mechanics at all. 1764886;1515136885;mircea_popescu;anyway, thinking about this whole "fsf was an attempt to *finally* bring about socialist utopia through a fettering of everyone's access to knowledge while open source was an attempt to nevermindthatjustkillM$already leading to java-for-browser because microsoft invented a c++ market etc" broad but really mostly correct summary, the one most striking aspect is that somehow the job of the modder (ie, guy that adds those snazzy 1764887;1515136885;mircea_popescu; chrome tailpipes on already made car/pc/whatever cxhassis) somehow ended up called "designer". 1764888;1515136907;mircea_popescu;motherfucking mother of isis, the act of arraying buttons together in a guy is no design! 1764889;1515145782;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764875 <- answered & addressed -> http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/#comment-1031 1764890;1515145782;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 04:41 mircea_popescu will take this to the comment section now. 1764891;1515145990;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764721 <- so I gather the 80 cols habit won the day for code 1764892;1515145990;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 03:07 mircea_popescu: so to have closure, i suppose http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763975 should read "80 cols plox what is this" 1764893;1515146206;diana_coman;which is perfectly fine with me for code; it's still grating for comments and I'm not sure how this will resolve, it sort of pushes comments out of code (to a place where one can read them as text not as code-which-they-are-not) 1764894;1515157404;asciilifeform;diana_coman: not merely code, but everything that is in a vpatch 1764895;1515157414;asciilifeform;ought to be printable on a drum printer 1764896;1515157433;asciilifeform;reflowolade is for blogposts. 1764897;1515157485;*;asciilifeform would not insist that a vpatch ~itself~ oughta be 80col, as that would constrain the contents even further, to 76 or so 1764898;1515157500;diana_coman;I was just writing that! lol 1764899;1515157516;diana_coman;not that 4 characters make much difference in any case 1764900;1515157531;asciilifeform;diana_coman: as a side effect, you get an easily formatted code-box for blogging, as in ffa. 1764901;1515157596;asciilifeform;they make a difference, diana_coman , those 4 chars. just like if you suggested to a railroad to take 4cm from the rail gauge. 1764902;1515157643;diana_coman;ah, should have been precise there: they don't make a difference for me at this stage; I can stick to 80 just as I can stick to 76 really 1764903;1515157654;asciilifeform;'this railroad had this gauge since 1830 and what is this' 1764904;1515157668;asciilifeform;aa ok 1764905;1515157685;*;diana_coman purposefully gets used to all sorts of different things, makes it easy to switch between them really 1764906;1515157789;diana_coman;I suppose I'm not much of a train basically 1764907;1515157906;asciilifeform;i suspect the key difference b/w 'x columns or bust' folx and the others, is the habit of using printer 1764908;1515157943;asciilifeform;( and to lesser extent, vertical display ) 1764909;1515157971;diana_coman;I suspect it's more the investment in the habit really; printer might be *one form* but it doesn't convince me much in itself 1764910;1515158017;asciilifeform;back when i had a horizontal display, most of the time i had it column-split and emacs 'followmode' to flow proggy between them 1764911;1515158031;asciilifeform;diana_coman: printer forces max cols. 1764912;1515158065;asciilifeform;there's no way around it. ( some people resort to printing 90 degrees to get more cols. 1764913;1515158067;asciilifeform;) 1764914;1515158090;diana_coman;so basically columns newspaper style, as I was saying yesterday, yes; inevitably, if 80 cols, ofc 1764915;1515158131;diana_coman;anyways, it's settled, 80cols it will have to be 1764916;1515158132;asciilifeform;recall the famous 'lions book', was printed in this style 1764917;1515158223;diana_coman;as a side note, that's precisely why I did *not* adopt emacs in the end despite liking it quite a lot when met it at uni: it was VERY useful indeed but the sort of useful that was too close to addictive for my liking essentially 1764918;1515158241;diana_coman;that might be my brand of weird only though 1764919;1515158410;asciilifeform;not errybody uses emacs 1764920;1515158459;asciilifeform;( though if you intend to do any commonlisp, you're more or less doomed to either use it, or emulate it ) 1764921;1515158498;diana_coman;as long as it doesn't basically cripple me to everything else, I can use it, sure 1764922;1515158541;asciilifeform;not sure how it'd cripple , aside from cultivating the 'unreasonable' expectation of sanity (i.e. extensibility) of editor 1764923;1515158586;asciilifeform;in the same sense as e.g. mircea_popescu is 'crippled from' eating at wallmart . 1764924;1515158648;diana_coman;no, in the sense of "80 cols or NOTHING ELSE"; same thing there: can work with emacs or NOTHING ELSE 1764925;1515158719;*;diana_coman is not pushing anything nor bashing emacs 1764926;1515158740;asciilifeform;the only item i use that has no equiv whatsoever outside of emacsland, is slime 1764927;1515158772;asciilifeform;( it has a superior grandfather, the actual bolix lispm. but no equiv on pc. ) 1764928;1515158848;*;asciilifeform admits that he does not particularly ~like~ emacs. it simply ended up a schelling point, like linux. but suffers from same type of problems. 1764929;1515159004;asciilifeform;and i 'can work' with other editor, just as can write with goose feather and ink also, and can saw with hand saw instead of electric saw... so long as it is understood that everything will take 50x longer. 1764930;1515159080;asciilifeform;and given the choice, will take ballpoint pen over feather, and emacs over 'ed' 1764931;1515159196;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764878 << aaah, the prb of emacs ! it lives on, yes 1764932;1515159196;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 05:03 mircea_popescu: in other antiqua entomologica arcana, https://www.xemacs.org/About/XEmacsVsGNUemacs.html 1764933;1515159216;asciilifeform;providing 'valuable pheatures' like variable-width font.. 1764934;1515159259;diana_coman;are you saying that 50x improvement is really due totally to emacs being to any other editor what pen is over feather? because otherwise Nx longer is exactly "nothing else" when N is large enough 1764935;1515159299;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764882 << i'm quite tempted to give the archive another combing and make a sequel to my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 item 1764936;1515159299;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 06:21 mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129644482406982@naggum.no.html << this exchange with fare is pretty amusing/informative both wrt "who is this francois-rene rideau character ?" and as an early "bitcoin improvements from the sewer" sampler/potputre. 1764937;1515159314;asciilifeform;diana_coman: indeed it is. 1764938;1515159379;asciilifeform;(not 'emacs' per se, but e.g. slime. you couldn't pay me to write lisp without slime or equivalent, just as not even gulag inmates will dig with hands instead of spade ) 1764939;1515159397;diana_coman;well, I never used slime so I can't comment 1764940;1515159418;asciilifeform;the meaningless shitwork ratio, lacking slime, moves from 0% to ~100% 1764941;1515159441;diana_coman;note though that we were talking emacs, not slime; enfin 1764942;1515159451;asciilifeform;slime lives in emacs. 1764943;1515159494;diana_coman;yes, so you need emacs because slime; that sounds like a lot of snails already,lol 1764944;1515159513;asciilifeform;emacs per se is nothing to write home about, it is full of gnarly archaicisms , and the default keymapping will, as naggum described, destroy your hands , unless you fix it 1764945;1515159541;asciilifeform;( it was born on keyboards which no longer exist ) 1764946;1515159583;asciilifeform;but then again why the everlivingfuck would i run with defaults on a ~configurable~ tool that i use 14+ hr/day ) 1764947;1515159618;diana_coman;aha; so no argument in fact; basically you say "I need emacs for what I'm doing because slime"; I say "so far I'm happily not cornered by anything into using emacs" 1764948;1515159641;asciilifeform;>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 << oblig 1764949;1515159669;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'best thing is never to have programmed at all' or how did socrates put it. 1764950;1515159867;asciilifeform;diana_coman: speaking of nonemacsism, adacore's special-purpose editor, 'gps', is imho pretty decent 1764951;1515159892;asciilifeform;( i recommend to nonemacsists, to try it ) 1764952;1515159936;diana_coman;asciilifeform, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836#comment-18597 1764953;1515159958;asciilifeform;aha! 1764954;1515159964;diana_coman;I'll have a look at gps then 1764955;1515160016;asciilifeform;it comes with the binariolade gnat. if you're using gcc gnat, will have to compile it, a little bit gnarly. 1764956;1515161281;shinohai;"GPS provides several levels of customization, from simple preference dialogs to powerful scripting capability through the Python language" <<< why? 1764957;1515161318;shinohai;Seems another scripting language would have been chosen, but meh. 1764958;1515161732;asciilifeform;shinohai: which ? 1764959;1515161800;shinohai;lisp works as a scripting language, neh 1764960;1515161821;asciilifeform;i dun particularly relish pythonism, but proliferation of 'i wrote it on a napkin, on a train, while drunk' script langs, incl. elisp-style dynamicscope abortions, is imho harmful 1764961;1515161838;shinohai;point 1764962;1515161991;asciilifeform;that being said, gprbuild ( what ffa uses instead of gnumake ) seems to make very effective use of a kind of interpreted subset of ada 1764963;1515162007;asciilifeform;could , in principle, be expanded into a scripting lang. 1764964;1515163303;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1764965;1515163309;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16076.28, vol: 15424.74126164 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16047.0, vol: 47384.63064283 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16000.0, vol: 3644.58814136 | Volume-weighted last average: 16051.2185715 1764966;1515164017;BingoBoingo;And the crashing resumes 1764967;1515164109;BingoBoingo;And the registrations are starting to trickle in. I R SRS BSNS NAO! 1764968;1515164135;BingoBoingo;Except no "nao" doesn't read as the same thing it did pre Uruguay 1764969;1515164171;BingoBoingo;Dammit, I'm not going to be able to mispell now for creative effect anymore am I 1764970;1515165417;asciilifeform;wainot? 1764971;1515165538;BingoBoingo;Because in Protuguese "Nao" means No, which means yes, which means anal 1764972;1515165575;asciilifeform;in other noose, 1764973;1515165583;asciilifeform;!#s harold martin 1764974;1515165584;a111;3 results for "harold martin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=harold%20martin 1764975;1515165597;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/o6uML/?raw=true << he confessed, 'pleabargained'. 1764976;1515165654;asciilifeform;( spoiler : best part is re how evidence remains seekrit, plus the usual claptran in re how e.g. usg not obligated to do anything in return for the confession ) 1764977;1515165663;asciilifeform;*claptrap 1764978;1515165907;asciilifeform;( see e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557756 thread ) 1764979;1515165907;a111;Logged on 2016-10-21 14:02 asciilifeform: funny how they put the 'cloud storage' in the bail denial affidavit, but have not yet even bothered to parallelconstruct some reason ~other than it~ for how the d00d could have been caught. 1764980;1515166167;mod6;mornin 1764981;1515166172;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1764982;1515166248;mod6;how goes today? 1764983;1515166328;asciilifeform;slowly. 1764984;1515166345;asciilifeform;and you , mod6 ? 1764985;1515166741;mod6;not bad! i implemented the pill to calculate the press path from a given leaf. seems to be working pretty well. i ran all my automated tests, passed 50/54 without incident. Four of the tests are pretty complex test cases where we basically yank one of the vpatches out of the middle of a vtree, then test to ensure that we avoid that where required. 1764986;1515166806;mod6;Since now the press path is calculated slightly different now than blindly shoveling in the flow, those tests needed some adjustments on their assertions of expected output. 1764987;1515166814;asciilifeform;aa neato 1764988;1515166845;mod6;I went through each one, looks to be doing the sane thing. I'm probably going to write it up in a little post that can be looked at, as opposed to trying to explain all of that in 3 lines of irc. 1764989;1515166868;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's main pheature-request for mod6 is to print meaningful eggogs, rather than silent 'new jersey' failure 1764990;1515166901;asciilifeform;e.g. 'beheaded chain found: [list of patches]' when there is a patch with non-null parentage but parent is absent 1764991;1515166916;asciilifeform;and 'wild chain found: ...' when there's a missing seal 1764992;1515166928;asciilifeform;rather than simply ignoring inputs. 1764993;1515166943;mod6;yeah, i actually did add a 'check_required' routine that is semi-related to this. for instance, when that error happened, it was because some guy didn't have `sha512sum'. so the check_required subroutine will now run first, and check to ensure that a list of system biniaries are available before anything happens. and if not, exits. 1764994;1515166956;asciilifeform;right, oughta have similar for gpg 1764995;1515166965;mod6;There are better error messages, or averting a silent fail that will also help here. I haven't gotten that far on that part yet. 1764996;1515166970;asciilifeform;( if an external proggy is made use of -- oughta check that it exists ) 1764997;1515167033;mod6;wanna see the experimental patch i'm workin on? 1764998;1515167038;asciilifeform;sure 1764999;1515167057;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aj5jZ/?raw=true << this is an experimental only thing!! 1765000;1515167076;asciilifeform;aaa this is the vtron 1765001;1515167092;asciilifeform;neato. 1765002;1515167102;*;asciilifeform is quite out of practice in reading perl 1765003;1515167116;mod6;the 'print_press_path' subroutine is, for the time, for debugging only. 1765004;1515167172;shinohai;I seem to be patched in and basic functions working, so sing out when ready to test mod6 o7 1765005;1515167186;asciilifeform;ty for making and maintaining this vtron, mod6 . it is a good thing. 1765006;1515167198;mod6;no prob. thanks asciilifeform 1765007;1515167249;mod6;so goal is to fix this problem. then carry on and document all the rules the thing has in place. this way, others can try to build in those rules we've discussed in here to their vtrons without having to fish them all out of 2 years of logs. 1765008;1515167283;mod6;that's later tho. first, just gotta get this fixed, then we can move on to greater things. 1765009;1515172967;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764882 << hah, i read it and didn't notice that it was with fare. there's more fare interactions there of similar nature. 1765010;1515172967;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 06:21 mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129644482406982@naggum.no.html << this exchange with fare is pretty amusing/informative both wrt "who is this francois-rene rideau character ?" and as an early "bitcoin improvements from the sewer" sampler/potputre. 1765011;1515173023;*;asciilifeform at one time tried to read fare's blog, quickly barfed, d00d has a multitude of socialist-flavoured cockroaches in his crankcase 1765012;1515173653;ben_vulpes;mod6: while you're in there can you get your vtron to cleanup its tmp gnupg directory when it catches a ctrl-c? 1765013;1515173665;ben_vulpes;it is a minor thing that i occasionally trip over 1765014;1515173699;asciilifeform;ideally a vtron oughta unhappen, to the extent possible, everything it did to the world, if it gets a ctrl-c 1765015;1515173734;asciilifeform;but other unixland utils do not do this, so it is possibly a bridge too far to expect it of this one 1765016;1515173832;ben_vulpes;ah k nm then 1765017;1515173850;asciilifeform;nah the tmp thing definitely ought to clean up 1765018;1515173863;asciilifeform;or at the very least not ever use the same absolute tmp path 1765019;1515173876;ben_vulpes;right, i shelled out to mktmpdir in mine 1765020;1515173877;asciilifeform;( have a gensym. there is no excuse ever to be hosed by a previous unsuccessful run. ) 1765021;1515174034;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764971 << porque no?? It isn't like it didn't mean that BEFORE you learned it. Plus, now you got extra layers: "I R SRS BSNS, ANAL!1!" 1765022;1515174034;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 15:18 BingoBoingo: Because in Protuguese "Nao" means No, which means yes, which means anal 1765023;1515174625;lobbes;In other incidental preguntas: mircea_popescu, can you recommend good "introductory" reading on the subject of thought classification? It seems like the obvious fundamental to improving my cognitive processes 1765024;1515174804;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot 1765025;1515174805;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1765026;1515174815;asciilifeform;!A .1.0*# 1765027;1515174815;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 4: Division by Zero! 1765028;1515174822;asciilifeform;^ bug. shame on everybody, for not noticing. 1765029;1515174837;asciilifeform;there's a stray MustNotZero(Stack(SP)); in ffa_calc. 1765030;1515174851;asciilifeform;( fixed in ch6 . ) 1765031;1515174952;asciilifeform;and it survived nearly a week of asciilifeform rereading whole thing every day. 1765032;1515174991;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch5_egypt#L63 << concretely. 1765033;1515175100;*;asciilifeform begins to suspect that ~nobody actually read ch5... 1765034;1515175175;asciilifeform;!A .0.1*# 1765035;1515175175;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 1765036;1515175177;asciilifeform;^ see. 1765037;1515175211;asciilifeform;( obviously was a paste artifact, from '%' case ) 1765038;1515175243;asciilifeform;!A .0.0*# 1765039;1515175243;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 4: Division by Zero! 1765040;1515175285;asciilifeform;Stack(SP) , given as folx haven't been reading attentively, is top of stack. 1765041;1515175313;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: still working on my solution to ch4 1765042;1515175330;asciilifeform;and yes this is what asciilifeform does when he wakes up : rereads ffa. all of it. 1765043;1515175334;ben_vulpes;so will not be reading ch5 yet 1765044;1515175357;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: questions/comments ? does ch4 make sense to you ? 1765045;1515175422;ben_vulpes;it does, this is my first encounter with a stack machine tho so thinking is proceeding slowly 1765046;1515175428;asciilifeform;oh hm 1765047;1515175440;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought that ben_vulpes had done hard time on jvm 1765048;1515175451;asciilifeform;and would have seen stackmachine 1765049;1515175457;ben_vulpes;only the artsy fartsy guicrap 1765050;1515175465;asciilifeform;lolk 1765051;1515175479;asciilifeform;ever owned a rpn calc , ben_vulpes ? 1765052;1515175540;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: while you're in there can you get your vtron to cleanup its tmp gnupg directory when it catches a ctrl-c? << if you CTRL+C the thing, it really can't get rid of it. you're expected to clean this up on your own so the vtron doesn't remove something it wasn't suppoesd to. 1765053;1515175576;asciilifeform;mod6: the temp dir is primo example of an always-ok-to-kill item. i.e. one which the vtron run itself created and would never otherwise exist 1765054;1515175582;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: have not, believe it or not 1765055;1515175587;mod6;otherwise, my vtron handles the creation and deletion of that .gnupgtmp dir on its own. 1765056;1515175589;asciilifeform;esp if it gets in the way of a subsequent run 1765057;1515175607;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: odd! are they so rare today ? 1765058;1515175637;mod6;im pretty sure we all had this discussion once upon a time, and it's only doing now, what we agreed to do before. I can go and dig for that. 1765059;1515175672;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: not rare, was just never beaten with one 1765060;1515175706;asciilifeform;mod6: an aborted run of vtron should not be able to put a caltrop for subsequent run to die on. this is imho elementary. 1765061;1515175712;ben_vulpes;had to go beat self with everything i was never beaten with starting in my early twenties when the republic kicked off 1765062;1515175764;ben_vulpes;mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-05#1316693 is what i dig up on the topic 1765063;1515175764;a111;Logged on 2015-11-05 02:08 asciilifeform: -- a unique thing that never was and never will be again. 1765064;1515175789;asciilifeform;aha 1765065;1515175831;ben_vulpes;mod6: i don't actually recall any agreement on the topic, you did yours one way and i another, and i cannot recall how asciilifeform's original handled this 1765066;1515175961;asciilifeform;well, let's reread http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory then : 1765067;1515175979;asciilifeform;... used 'tempfile' py lib 1765068;1515176003;asciilifeform;gpgtmp = tempfile.mkdtemp() 1765069;1515176018;asciilifeform;.... shutil.rmtree(gpgtmp) 1765070;1515176027;asciilifeform;did not attempt to catch ctrl-c or any other signal. 1765071;1515176058;asciilifeform;however the external 'tempfile' item, made gensymtronic dirs. so this never became a headache. 1765072;1515176091;asciilifeform;https://docs.python.org/2/library/tempfile.html << gory details. 1765073;1515176116;asciilifeform;let's quote ftr : 'Creates a temporary directory in the most secure manner possible. There are no race conditions in the directory’s creation. The directory is readable, writable, and searchable only by the creating user ID. The user of mkdtemp() is responsible for deleting the temporary directory and its contents when done with it.' 1765074;1515176693;ben_vulpes;ah over is the key! 1765075;1515176697;mod6;im getting pulled off here... i'ma try to circle back to this but... 1765076;1515176699;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: an aborted run of vtron should not be able to put a caltrop for subsequent run to die on. this is imho elementary. 1765077;1515176711;mod6;make_tmpdir($tdir); 1765078;1515176712;mod6;main(); 1765079;1515176712;mod6;remove_tmpdir($tdir); 1765080;1515176716;mod6;that's basically what happens ^ 1765081;1515176729;asciilifeform;mod6: what's make_tmpdir made of ? 1765082;1515176730;mod6;and if you ^C the thing mid-way through the execution, you'll never hit remove_tmpdir 1765083;1515176766;mod6;now, i can add an attempt to remove the thing before we even begin main(), but i thought we had discussed this. i'll have to dig up the old thread. 1765084;1515176784;mod6;i don't have a chance right this moment to do that, will look tho when i can 1765085;1515176812;asciilifeform;mod6: what actually ends up in $tdir ? 1765086;1515176825;mod6;sub make_tmpdir { my ($dir) = @_; `mkdir -p $dir && chmod 0700 $dir` if !-d $dir or die "$dir exists! $!"; 1765087;1515176828;mod6;} 1765088;1515176841;mod6;sub remove_tmpdir { my ($dir) = @_; `rm -rf $dir` if -d $dir; 1765089;1515176841;mod6;} 1765090;1515176844;asciilifeform;right but what's in $tdir 1765091;1515176858;mod6;the keyring that gpg needs to run 1765092;1515176864;asciilifeform;how do you create the ~name~ of the dir 1765093;1515176884;mod6;my $tdir = get_homedir() . "/.gnupgtmp"; 1765094;1515176890;asciilifeform;umm 1765095;1515176908;asciilifeform;no good. first of all suppose there are 2 concurrent runs of the vtron ( say this is a cuntoo pressing itself ) 1765096;1515176927;asciilifeform;second , as in the case discussed in the thread, if a run aborts, it creates a mine for next run to step on. 1765097;1515176937;mod6;brb 1765098;1515176947;asciilifeform;you can fix the second by erasing at the beginning of a run. but not the first. 1765099;1515176952;asciilifeform;temp dir paths gotta be gensyms. 1765100;1515176965;asciilifeform;( make a string out of /dev/random crapola + current epoch time, say ) 1765101;1515177038;ben_vulpes;is mktemp widely installed enough to be used here? 1765102;1515177058;asciilifeform;it's a gnu coreutil. so theoretically yes 1765103;1515177074;asciilifeform;conceivably, like everything else, it is absent ~somewhere~ ( ... crapple ? ) 1765104;1515177145;ben_vulpes;yeah but fuck them in particular 1765105;1515177162;ben_vulpes;iphones apparently vulnerable to SPECTRE too, hilariously 1765106;1515177173;ben_vulpes;such sandbox very secure 1765107;1515177185;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ~all archs with instruction-reordering and cache, are 1765108;1515177240;asciilifeform;semantics-changing optimization belongs in ~compiler~ (if even there), not in iron. 1765109;1515177248;asciilifeform;a la vliw. 1765110;1515177279;asciilifeform;bbbut noooo, gotta reorder, because Only A Terorrist Would expect microshit to write sane compiler... 1765111;1515177441;asciilifeform;( on vliw, there was a pipeline, but proggy was expected to fill it 'by hand' . a kind of 'stick shift'. if a sub-instr stepped on another's toes, it was a eggog, like div0 is on x86 , abort . ) 1765112;1515177600;asciilifeform;on the other hand, pipeline idea per se was a mistake; same kind of failure to invent dataflowism as dma 1765113;1515177668;asciilifeform;!#s dma 1765114;1515177669;a111;99 results for "dma", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dma 1765115;1515177672;asciilifeform;^ see also. 1765116;1515177753;ben_vulpes;it all strikes me as so very silly on the surface but i have a weird lens of not having thought about any of the related shit until ~2013 and even then only through republican eyes 1765117;1515177801;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: expand ? 1765118;1515177912;ben_vulpes;i've never been burdened with the "This Is How Things Are" of the c-machine 1765119;1515177954;asciilifeform;( upstack : dma, interrupts, pipeline, instruction reorderer, 'hyperthreading', multiple buses, 'bridges' -- all are epicycles ( hey mircea_popescu ! ) from vonneumannism , where instructions 'push' (unrelated to stack concept) outputs, rather than 'pull' inputs as they oughta ) 1765120;1515177964;ben_vulpes;i only started thinking about compute because of bitcoin, and shortly after i started thinking about it in earnest (like maybe a month, six weeks something like that) you showed up in #b-a and /even at that point/ were talking about eg trinary circuits and computing fabric 1765121;1515178047;ben_vulpes;then at that point the historical perspective was obviously necessary and i've simply never seen modern arch's as anything other than complexity madness in search of itty bitty performance gains on systems nobody can actually reason about 1765122;1515178098;mircea_popescu;in other lulz from the road, "nombre ?" "credible" "apellido ?" "justin". 1765123;1515178109;asciilifeform;credible?! 1765124;1515178128;*;asciilifeform picture scene from film 'idiocracy', where hero gets 'his name', 'Not Sure', tattooed on forehead 1765125;1515178162;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: is there some way of doing iteration with the opcodes from ch4 ? 1765126;1515178164;mircea_popescu;ad hoc pseudonym! no good ? 1765127;1515178175;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you tell me 1765128;1515178261;ben_vulpes;hey man i only figured out how conditionals worked today 1765129;1515178273;asciilifeform;so ben_vulpes do you see a jump ? 1765130;1515178309;asciilifeform;or for that matter any record kept of old instructions , that the thing could jump to ? 1765131;1515178323;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764893 << yeah tis a problem ;/ 1765132;1515178323;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 09:56 diana_coman: which is perfectly fine with me for code; it's still grating for comments and I'm not sure how this will resolve, it sort of pushes comments out of code (to a place where one can read them as text not as code-which-they-are-not) 1765133;1515178332;mircea_popescu;seems atm we uncovered the deep limit on literate code. 1765134;1515178350;mircea_popescu;code and comments do not, actually mix ; the fault is entirely of bad but entrenched habits of code writers. 1765135;1515178368;asciilifeform;i'ma disagree that the use of paper is 'bad habit' 1765136;1515178375;asciilifeform;it differentiates man from monkey. 1765137;1515178399;mircea_popescu;"we are incapable to reflow and here's a magic number instead" differentiates monkey from man 1765138;1515178402;mircea_popescu;not the other way round. 1765139;1515178414;asciilifeform;code. does. not. reflow. 1765140;1515178445;asciilifeform;( whynot, is not a bad question, it reduces to the absence of a solution to the tednelson problem -- how to point into a structure unambiguously, other than by line # ) 1765141;1515178482;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yeah i don't 1765142;1515178488;ben_vulpes;the mega-clue is "any seven numbers" 1765143;1515178508;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if true, this is == "code is not worth either writing or reading" 1765144;1515178509;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha 1765145;1515178526;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764949 1765146;1515178526;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 13:41 asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'best thing is never to have programmed at all' or how did socrates put it. 1765147;1515178536;ben_vulpes;want to corroborate what appear to be facts before plowing down a possibly retarded path though 1765148;1515178553;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's no possible solution here ; i expect the defacto result will be that patches will consist of code, wrapped 80, including 0 comments, plus blogposts, consisting of commentary, with some haphazard code reference. 1765149;1515178589;mircea_popescu;this is a sad state of affairs, as it limits v utility drastically ; neverthless -- commentary will be ok, long predated either v or code. code is more fragile. 1765150;1515178593;mircea_popescu;needs halp. 1765151;1515178595;asciilifeform;i'ma carry right on wrapping comments to 80, like father and grandfather did and like the gods intended. 1765152;1515178603;asciilifeform;and anyone who dunlike it , can jump in a lake. 1765153;1515178614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and write too little of them and too sparse and lose out to the other variant in the end. 1765154;1515178632;mircea_popescu;there's a reason your father+grandfather haven't amounted to as much of a fart as a workable os. 1765155;1515178635;asciilifeform;in the end man can lose out to cockroaches also. 1765156;1515178636;mircea_popescu;not even good. vaguely workable. 1765157;1515178660;mircea_popescu;in this case, atavism just loses out. 1765158;1515178669;asciilifeform;'do from cause, not purpose' necessarily includes not giving rat's arse re 'what will lose out to one day when sun burns out' 1765159;1515178678;mircea_popescu;certainly. 1765160;1515178688;asciilifeform;so far the folx who code on paper, wrote ffa, and the folx who wrote on display -- wrote what. 1765161;1515178692;mircea_popescu;except that day will be rather sooner than that. 1765162;1515178727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway you turn it, the concept of magic number's not defensible. 1765163;1515178734;asciilifeform;'мы вас похороним' !11 (tm)(r) 1765164;1515178750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rails -- have gauge. and spacetime itself appears to come with 'magic #s'. 1765165;1515178755;asciilifeform;like it , or not. 1765166;1515178775;asciilifeform;i won't disagree with abolishing'em when ~possible~ cleanly 1765167;1515178776;mircea_popescu;hey, all i do is predict, i dun like or dislike. 1765168;1515178782;mod6;asciilifeform picture scene from film 'idiocracy', where hero gets 'his name', 'Not Sure', tattooed on forehead << his arm, but yeah, great movie. 1765169;1515178787;asciilifeform;but 'throw out yer printer' won't fly. 1765170;1515178810;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform somehow you jump from "my printer is shit, doesn't work properly" to "either magic number or throw out printer" 1765171;1515178815;mircea_popescu;how about you know, fixing your printer so it works ? 1765172;1515178853;asciilifeform;so it can create paper of arbitrary width ?! 1765173;1515178861;mircea_popescu;if that's what it actually takes, yes. 1765174;1515178870;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu makes one -- i'll buy 1765175;1515178879;shinohai;!!up gabriel_laddel 1765176;1515178880;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1765177;1515178895;mircea_popescu;in any case, here's the logic : the proximate cause of the failure of "computer science" to amount to 0 (not epsilon, 0) since its inception is strictly due to poor treatment of comments as 2nd class item in code. 1765178;1515178904;mircea_popescu;until this is resolved, the perennial results will repeat. 1765179;1515178912;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform should I even bother stopping in then? 1765180;1515178931;mircea_popescu;it's actually SO BAD that people go re-implement the same damned X thing for the 90th time as a substitute of commentary ; and nobody looking understands wtf that is. 1765181;1515178931;gabriel_laddel;and can I call M a NOT-LISPM? 1765182;1515178936;mod6;<+asciilifeform> no good. first of all suppose there are 2 concurrent runs of the vtron ( say this is a cuntoo pressing itself ) << yeah, concurrent runs of my vtron are a no-go. 1765183;1515178968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't at all disagree , re comments 1765184;1515178973;asciilifeform;and overall culture of illiteracy 1765185;1515178978;mod6;<+asciilifeform> second , as in the case discussed in the thread, if a run aborts, it creates a mine for next run to step on. << try to realize that this is on-purpose. im certain that we've had this discussion before and what exists is the outcome of that discussion. 1765186;1515178988;mircea_popescu;this is the problem. you can't disagree with my theory and i have no practical solution for your pain. 1765187;1515178995;asciilifeform;sorta why i favour the structure-editor and store-EVERYTHING-as-sexprs approach. 1765188;1515179004;asciilifeform;it's the gordian cut. 1765189;1515179006;mircea_popescu;as i say -- i see no way out here ; we'll end up with the v-code + blog-commentary ostrich-camel and god help us./ 1765190;1515179014;asciilifeform;it does however mean letting finally go of the vt100. 1765191;1515179032;asciilifeform;and of 'plain text' idea. 1765192;1515179035;mircea_popescu;sexprs for everything might work 1765193;1515179043;asciilifeform;it's the only thing that works. 1765194;1515179043;mircea_popescu;and there is no such thing as fucking "plain text" 1765195;1515179047;asciilifeform;FINALLY 1765196;1515179061;ben_vulpes;mod6: you gotta quote chapter and verse from the logs to support "outcome of that discussion". 1765197;1515179073;mod6;i know, i haven't had a chance to look yet. 1765198;1515179078;mod6;too busy. 1765199;1515179107;mod6;anyway, im fine with changing whatever, just as long as we all agree. 1765200;1515179124;ben_vulpes;logs save us from the "but i thought we agreed" floppy meatsack memory. 1765201;1515179124;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-25#1353298 << e.g. 1765202;1515179124;a111;Logged on 2015-12-25 23:10 asciilifeform: because, again, the whole 'plain text' jwzism and the attendant retardation. somehow 'lines' are a thing. 1765203;1515179126;mod6;and the details of what the change is to do are clear so I can implement them as such. 1765204;1515179160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which part of trilema is plaintext ? the part where it says fuckyoui or the part where it says fuckyou((norly)) ? 1765205;1515179181;ben_vulpes;mod6: make a disposable tempdir like stans original and my port. i don't know whence this 'agree', stan's original was clear enough. 1765206;1515179184;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> logs save us from the "but i thought we agreed" floppy meatsack memory. << i feel ya. if you wanna help me dig, that'd be awesome. 1765207;1515179188;mircea_popescu;anyway bbs 1765208;1515179192;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~none of it, it's html, neh 1765209;1515179213;mod6;my vtron has been discussed very much over the last 2+ years. i remember many disucssions where rules popped out. 1765210;1515179247;mod6;i hope you're not trying to say that im simply making this up 1765211;1515179264;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: do pop in, do speak 1765212;1515179315;gabriel_laddel;aite. but ftr you can ASSIGN me stuff that I will do. eg, leaving CA, finding job. Eventually was convinced. 1765213;1515179328;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: and call it what you want, but imho it'll be moar appreciated as linux distro, than to label 'lispm' 1765214;1515179342;gabriel_laddel;how about lispm-prime 1765215;1515179343;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: this is good to hear. 1765216;1515179353;trinque;gabriel_laddel: honestly why should anyone give a fuck to improve you. 1765217;1515179361;trinque;what are you, someone's girlfriend here? 1765218;1515179369;asciilifeform;trinque: barf all you like, the d00d nearly made a working cuntoo 1765219;1515179378;trinque;are you kidding? 1765220;1515179391;gabriel_laddel;trinque girlfri^H^H^Hintern 1765221;1515179392;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc he did have a standalone gentoo-cooker neh 1765222;1515179404;ben_vulpes;mod6: it's not a personal attack, i disagree that i agreed that v.pl was doing the Right Thing in leaving ~/.gnupgtmp hanging around 1765223;1515179408;asciilifeform;the misfortunate thing is that he labeled it 'lispm' 1765224;1515179409;trinque;who gives a shit. I made mine because it was trivial and I didn't want to hear about it anymore 1765225;1515179431;asciilifeform;trinque: out of curiosity, do the two of you know one another from meatspace ? and hated for 20yrs ? or how 1765226;1515179437;trinque;to date the guy has produced zero anyone uses, and I dunno why anyone entertains the larping and dick-pulling 1765227;1515179449;trinque;asciilifeform: I don't need extra reasons to hate the useless 1765228;1515179453;asciilifeform;trinque: he's what, 19 ? 1765229;1515179458;gabriel_laddel;25 1765230;1515179474;asciilifeform;asciilifeform also had not produced anything useful to the republic, at 25 1765231;1515179494;trinque;guy pops in to give monologues about his psychological needs and that's it, and was ever it 1765232;1515179516;ben_vulpes;point also is not absolute age but years bouncing off the republic 1765233;1515179516;asciilifeform;at 25 asciilifeform unsuccessfully peddled an industrial automation linux+sbcl+proggy-in-a-crate actually quite reminiscent of gabriel_laddel's thing 1765234;1515179517;trinque;either to affirm some nonsense or surface against which to act out 1765235;1515179538;asciilifeform;trinque: he asked 'gimme useful item to do' neh 1765236;1515179556;trinque;he was almost, maybe, sort of going to do an archiver and pdf-to-texter 1765237;1515179571;trinque;where's that, or was that just a paste one day when he needed a self-esteem boost 1765238;1515179594;gabriel_laddel;never pdf to text, but yes, archiver, NN via FG, RSA impl in CL, yes linux distro 1765239;1515179598;trinque;I dunno how this one idiot kid slipped through the crucify-the-useless process 1765240;1515179600;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: here's a shot : take this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760563 needleman-wunsch, and turn it into a standalone ( use sbcl's save-lisp-and-die knob, say ) difftron util. come up with own format. 1765241;1515179600;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 05:34 asciilifeform: >>>>> https://archive.is/jMMqT 1765242;1515179612;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: also if you have an rsa, post it plox 1765243;1515179615;trinque;gabriel_laddel: so where the fuck are these then. 1765244;1515179633;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform sorry, this is tasks I HAVE ACCEPTED onto stack. 1765245;1515179692;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: what's yer medium-ter 1765246;1515179695;asciilifeform;m item 1765247;1515179749;asciilifeform;i.e. what brings gabriel_laddel to #t ? 1765248;1515179776;gabriel_laddel;the order I was anticipating was: M release for tmsr (free, obo), then NNFG, then RSA. lobbes has done/ is doing archiver 1765249;1515179795;gabriel_laddel;I'm here for the lispm, and staying for the FUCKGOATS 1765250;1515179799;asciilifeform;what's NNFG ? 1765251;1515179816;gabriel_laddel;training a NN on FG output to see if it trains faster so I can sell them 1765252;1515179828;trinque;this is jam-tomorrow in asciilifeform's parlance eh? 1765253;1515179862;asciilifeform;trinque: not as if we're awash in recruits. we have here this 1legged d00d, says he wants to fight. 1765254;1515179896;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: didja ever download the 1GB example FG bin ? 1765255;1515179908;gabriel_laddel;yes. 1765256;1515179909;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: tried training on it ? vs , say, on /dev/urandom 1765257;1515179912;asciilifeform;what was result ? 1765258;1515179928;asciilifeform;( because asciilifeform actually did a very similar experiment as a student, in early 2000s ) 1765259;1515179949;gabriel_laddel;I never got a chance bc fighting all the idiots in CA myself. Same with archiver.Got banned before was able to host in house someone OK'd me for. 1765260;1515179980;asciilifeform;do you now have a comp and able to work ? 1765261;1515179982;trinque;I lived in Portland among the pantsuit cunts 1765262;1515179984;asciilifeform;i presume yes ? 1765263;1515179985;gabriel_laddel;yes. 1765264;1515179986;trinque;left. ben_vulpes also left. 1765265;1515180003;asciilifeform;trinque: fwiw i have never set foot in those lands. only met east cunts. 1765266;1515180008;trinque;what kind of appeal is this. "oh but I have limitations" 1765267;1515180009;gabriel_laddel;trinque I'm in ohio now, fwiw 1765268;1515180029;gabriel_laddel;you said LEAVE DUMBASS. I thought about it -- left. 1765269;1515180041;asciilifeform;aaanyway gabriel_laddel knows how to do this experiment. i look forward to hearing result 1765270;1515180053;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform we're cohered. 1765271;1515180061;asciilifeform;there we go. 1765272;1515180067;trinque;heh, so then. quit stimulants, dumbass. and I'll consider removing the negrate. 1765273;1515180071;asciilifeform;maybe d00d sobers up for a day and does a job ! 1765274;1515180083;asciilifeform;hell knows it's happened befoar 1765275;1515180113;shinohai;!~step 1 1765276;1515180113;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "step" is not a valid command. 1765277;1515180114;asciilifeform;( and given that i ain't his personal physician , i dun even care if he does the job while tripping , or while sober, so long as he does ) 1765278;1515180115;trinque;hey after mircea_popescu's various whallops on me about weed, I gave up daily caffeine even. 1765279;1515180117;shinohai;!~step1 1765280;1515180118;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 1765281;1515180136;trinque;wiser folks hitting you on the head is a kindness. 1765282;1515180171;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd bet d00d has spells of sobriety, he has afaik already outlived the expected life of a serious meth aficionado 1765283;1515181055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform neh! i have a magic box, into which i pour the transcendent substance that makes trilema. it comes out as ascii yes, but how is it plain. 1765284;1515181134;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's head 'plain text' means strictly v100, i.e. this convenient (too convenient) item 'the customer Got Accustomed To'(tm)(r) in 1950s and is old, tired, being asked to do all sorts of contradictory things like sane diffability, structure-preserving edits, etc 1765285;1515181153;mircea_popescu;in my head, "plain text" means something else. 1765286;1515181162;asciilifeform;whereas it's just an array of asciiola and a few control chars (e.g. lf) 1765287;1515181200;mircea_popescu;formally : a stackless, hapless grammar incapable of recursion operating upon a certain finite symbol list. 1765288;1515181207;mircea_popescu;heapless* 1765289;1515181221;asciilifeform;dunno that the meat parser is stackless 1765290;1515181226;mircea_popescu;that's mp-plaintext, almost exactly your ada 1765291;1515181239;asciilifeform;( or heapless. consider, where do the external symbols get pulled from . ) 1765292;1515181242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect i should have said single stack. 1765293;1515181246;asciilifeform;single yes. 1765294;1515181249;mircea_popescu;yes. 1765295;1515181257;asciilifeform;it's rather like... ffacalc, lol 1765296;1515181262;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1765297;1515181345;mircea_popescu;here, from random article : Sorry, furfies looking for group, I guess I fucked this one up for you ((But had you NOT complained about it -- who knows, maybe you'd still have PMs available ?)).\n\nPS. Today as in 2014, 1765298;1515181370;mircea_popescu;that is the "plaintext", that comes out as the other plaintext, displayed (via the ~yet other~ plaintext, the html) 1765299;1515181393;asciilifeform;ok that'd be a platonic plaintextitude, lol, not a physical item. 1765300;1515181400;mircea_popescu;i guess! 1765301;1515181426;asciilifeform;speaking of... 1765302;1515181428;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot 1765303;1515181429;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1765304;1515181450;asciilifeform;!A .BE7EA8B353CF33FA1226E6F87F97CE980353879CA9F00107C2DE4E123ECBE000.7D2AF9FAA2CD4F3CCFE8489B9BE1FE5F3A600D4E1E72A7C0041F0B793848FB2F.FA55F3F5459A9E799FD0913737C3FCBE74C01A9C3CE54F80083E16F27091F65F X # 1765305;1515181451;pehbot;asciilifeform: 5CF3CFFB385F801408DFF1BF9D66B57C4B5C2ED8E896811D36162BD33B626D7E 1765306;1515181465;asciilifeform;^ preview/puzzle pre-ch6. solve what X does. 1765307;1515181470;mircea_popescu;which is why the whole "with mine owne eyes" screams were all about re previous pass of this, gpg-plaintext. 1765308;1515181483;asciilifeform;aha. 1765309;1515181494;mircea_popescu;i sadly lacked the formalism to usefully express it then. but now -- have. 1765310;1515181610;asciilifeform;soo analogously 'plaintext' would be 'the integers'(tm)(r) whereas asciilifeform's conception would then be the finite-bitness integers one actually gets to use on a comp 1765311;1515181654;mod6;so previously, and im still digging in the logs... 1765312;1515181699;mod6;the idea behind leaving the .gnupgtmp around after execution, is there because i wanted it to be there. not weather this is the Right Thing or not. 1765313;1515181725;mod6;its basically a failure state -- .gnupgtmp should only be around if something FAILED. 1765314;1515181725;mircea_popescu;mod6 any particular reason to want ? aid debugging ? or ? 1765315;1515181730;mircea_popescu;aha 1765316;1515181739;asciilifeform;mod6: the most serious bug is not even the failure to delete the tempdir, but that every run of the vtron uses ~same one~ 1765317;1515181751;asciilifeform;mod6: it makes, e.g., parallelly running vtrons on same box, impossible 1765318;1515181756;mod6;and if it did fail, then perhaps one can go and look at what went on -- at the time, there were a lot of seals that didn't verify for instance. 1765319;1515181796;mod6;i shouldn't say a lot. from time to time, one of alf's previous key ones would creep into ones flow or whatever, and you may want to check for yourself weather it verifies or not. or what gnupg might have been up to while executing v. 1765320;1515181821;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764935 << prolly worth it, "re-examine history with new theoretical framework" 1765321;1515181821;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 13:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764882 << i'm quite tempted to give the archive another combing and make a sequel to my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 item 1765322;1515181843;asciilifeform;mod6: imho a good debugism would be a flag that forces the printing to stderr of all external proggy (gpg, gnupatch) invocations , and their args 1765323;1515181852;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha! 1765324;1515181864;mircea_popescu;mod6 i suspect the idea is sound, but maybe the posixism of "single fixed file" dun serve 1765325;1515181868;mod6;anyway, if you see a .gnupgtmp, something failed. either the software failed, or the user interrupted the thing. either way, the responsibility has been on the user to determine if he should delete ~/.gnupgtmp or not. 1765326;1515181873;mircea_popescu;as he says, there be the logs. 1765327;1515181902;mod6;now, for the concurrent part... now that's something I never did consider. 1765328;1515181941;mod6;before i ever 'green light' that kinda use of my vtron, i'd certainly like to test it myself etc. and ya, that dir would have to be unique. 1765329;1515181968;mircea_popescu;mod6 why not use the system logs instead ? 1765330;1515181972;mod6;maybe mktmpdir is sound for that. however, i remember discussing that before as well..and one fear that i had is that if you use mktmpdir, then you have a /tmp/23429adfsew32 dir. 1765331;1515181994;mod6;which worries me about /tmp being flushed mid, or at anytime during execution. 1765332;1515182012;mod6;sorry, lemme read back here. was just trying to type there. 1765333;1515182020;asciilifeform;mod6: afaik this dun actually happen on any known unix 1765334;1515182026;trinque;I don't think there's ever a case where , yeap 1765335;1515182034;asciilifeform;if you have a handle to it, it dun get zapped 1765336;1515182051;asciilifeform;( thinkaboutit, tmp would be entirely useless if this were not so ) 1765337;1515182076;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: afaik this dun actually happen on any known unix << this the rub tho. have to make sure that it actually /NEVER/ happens. i can't have people failing in anyway with this thing. 1765338;1515182078;mircea_popescu;but he's stuck managing fucking state. 1765339;1515182103;asciilifeform;mod6: you can't make sure that the mains cord dun get pulled mid-press either 1765340;1515182130;asciilifeform;for so long as vtron uses gpg shell-out, it's stuck with the tmp dir crapola 1765341;1515182154;mod6;the good news is, hopefully, your pgptron will be built into any new vtrons 1765342;1515182160;asciilifeform;afaik the best known solution is the one i used -- use the script lang's purpose-made lib for the item 1765343;1515182177;mod6;no libs 1765344;1515182182;asciilifeform;( i do not know from memory, what perl's is ) 1765345;1515182203;mod6;anyway, we'll figure something out. that part im not worried about. 1765346;1515182205;asciilifeform;... or make own. 1765347;1515182226;mod6;it sounds like my idea of "have something of a corpus to look at after failure" isn't as handy as simply just throwing it out. 1765348;1515182241;asciilifeform;this corpus should consist 100% of stderr output. 1765349;1515182246;asciilifeform;rather than rubbish left in tmp 1765350;1515182253;asciilifeform;user should not have to look in tmp. 1765351;1515182255;mod6;its not rubbish 1765352;1515182266;mod6;and i don't think people want 1Mb of shit dumped to stdout 1765353;1515182276;mod6;it's the ~keyring~ 1765354;1515182277;asciilifeform;wait why is it mb of shit 1765355;1515182298;asciilifeform;see, asciilifeform's orig trick with tmp was ~specifically~ to abolish the gpg keyring nonsense 1765356;1515182308;asciilifeform;i don't want to see it. ever. if i'm seeing it, vtron is broken ! 1765357;1515182310;mod6;and here's where we come full circle. :] 1765358;1515182336;mod6;i gotta find these logs. im actually now convinced that we've discussed this very item not just once, but maybe even 3 or 4 times. 1765359;1515182343;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764975 << very sad fucking item, i would fire the producer. contains "if he were" boilerplate verbiage copy-pasted in there, for utter shame. 1765360;1515182343;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 15:19 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/o6uML/?raw=true << he confessed, 'pleabargained'. 1765361;1515182377;asciilifeform;in fact, if we weren't planning to take gpg behind the shed and shoot it, i'd publish my keyring-abolition patch ( gpg then DEMANDS pubkey FILE on cmdline for any op that uses one. ditto privates. ) 1765362;1515182377;mod6;anyway, i appreciate all the feedback. its obvious that there is passion to get this part of my vtron right. 1765363;1515182403;mod6;lemme break off here for a minute, i'll keep digging up the logs to prove we talked this over. 1765364;1515182416;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's an autogenned item, aha 1765365;1515182422;mod6;bbs. 1765366;1515182448;mircea_popescu;goes well with the "didn't even afford paralelconstruct". this is some seriously low effort "job". 1765367;1515182512;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764988 << good idea. 1765368;1515182512;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 15:40 mod6: I went through each one, looks to be doing the sane thing. I'm probably going to write it up in a little post that can be looked at, as opposed to trying to explain all of that in 3 lines of irc. 1765369;1515182515;asciilifeform;old bureaucrat, unpopular ( perhaps ) at office, picked as scapegoat for the infector leak of that year 1765370;1515182526;asciilifeform;fell over like a bowling pin after 'shown instrments' 1765371;1515182562;asciilifeform;( h. martin ) 1765372;1515182581;asciilifeform;signed, i suspect, what was put in front of him to sign, without even reading. 1765373;1515182584;mircea_popescu;why should he give a shit in either case. 1765374;1515182592;mircea_popescu;old guy, etc. 1765375;1515182601;asciilifeform;there's 2 ways those go. 1765376;1515182606;asciilifeform;this one -- went the 2nd. 1765377;1515182627;asciilifeform;( 1st looks like http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-19#517160 . ) 1765378;1515182627;a111;Logged on 2014-02-19 19:41 asciilifeform: russian folk rhyme: 'Дедушка в поле гранату нашел. Взял он ее, к сельсовету пошел. Дернул колечко, кинул в окно. Дедушка старый — ему все равно.' 1765379;1515182789;asciilifeform;!A .1.0*# 1765380;1515182790;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 1765381;1515183915;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2018/Jan/12 >> ahahahahahaha the amd fritz chip, apparently finally killed 1765382;1515183950;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-14#1555295 << re:. 1765383;1515183950;a111;Logged on 2016-10-14 16:10 kmalkki: apu2 (with AMD PSP) does respond properly to JTAG IDCODE 1765384;1515183976;asciilifeform;'... stack-based overflow in the function EkCheckCurrentCert. This function is called from TPM2_CreatePrimary with user controlled data - a DER encoded [6] endorsement key (EK) certificate stored in the NV storage....' 1765385;1515183978;trinque;https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option << totally unrelated, pay no attention 1765386;1515184016;asciilifeform;trinque: dun help with bios-jtagging tho. it gotta be disabled AT RESET 1765387;1515184027;asciilifeform;which you naturally can't do from bios. 1765388;1515184054;asciilifeform;( uefi dun get read until close to end of warmup process ) 1765389;1515184061;trinque;I'm sure it doesn't work. meant only to marketing-work 1765390;1515184068;asciilifeform;however with the 0day -- might be doable. 1765391;1515184077;asciilifeform;(until patched.) 1765392;1515184111;asciilifeform;'A TLV (type-length-value) structure is parsed and copied on to the parent stack frame. Unfortunately, there are missing bounds checks, and a specially crafted certificate can lead to a stack overflow...' etc 1765393;1515184151;asciilifeform;btw what does trb's ssl do with crafted der-encoded derpery ? 1765394;1515184154;asciilifeform;anybody try ? 1765395;1515184625;mod6;ok. asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, phf, all others interested, here's the orig thread (as ben_vulpes also found earlier): http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/76gSk/?raw=true 1765396;1515184639;mod6;It seems that asciilifeform has been saying the same thing all along. 1765397;1515184696;mod6;And I've taken a bit of a different direction, perhaps because of 'File::Tempdir' or some nonsense. 1765398;1515184776;mod6;So here's what I'll do: I'll revisit this, and try to come up with a unique tempdir. This tempdir is to be used exactly once. Created at run time. Removed at the end of run time. If execution fails or is interrupted, nothing will be done. It'll be left hanging there until the user removes it manually. 1765399;1515184846;mod6;in the case of failure, i could try to remove the tmpdir during the 'Death()' call or something. But with interrupted execution, there's no way to know when the interrupt is coming. Nothing to do about it here. 1765400;1515184867;ben_vulpes;it is fine to leave the tempdir in place so long as it is uniquely named 1765401;1515184911;ben_vulpes;the important thing is that it not be the same tempdir every time so that interrupted executions don't block the next execution 1765402;1515184996;mod6;Ok, will look into a better way to handle this. I appreciate your passionate want to make this better. 1765403;1515185186;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764988 << good idea. << fwiw, i'll be working on this to ensure that the bug fix is correct. 1765404;1515185186;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 15:40 mod6: I went through each one, looks to be doing the sane thing. I'm probably going to write it up in a little post that can be looked at, as opposed to trying to explain all of that in 3 lines of irc. 1765405;1515185216;mod6;then ill dig into the tmpdir thing. i want to ensure that the bug fix i've made is correct before I proceed. 1765406;1515185548;asciilifeform;neato mod6 . thx for putting in the sweat. 1765407;1515185824;ben_vulpes;yeah really, muchas gracias mod6 1765408;1515186265;mod6;<3 1765409;1515186735;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763210 << once i realized what was going on... 1765410;1515186735;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 17:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 << i've been thinking of abolishing the artifact where a 0 stays on the stack after the 'else' branch. it'd require only 1 extra state variable ( a WBool ) 1765411;1515190969;ben_vulpes;dude The20YearIRCloud the fuck even is the point of a bouncer that's constantly disconnecting 1765412;1515190988;asciilifeform;what makes you think it's a bouncer, ben_vulpes 1765413;1515191011;ben_vulpes;i thought that's what irccloud advertised 1765414;1515191018;ben_vulpes;a modern IRC client that keeps you connected, with none of the baggage 1765415;1515191056;ben_vulpes;possibly just normal idiot browserclient! 1765416;1515191056;asciilifeform;'Stay connected, chat from anywhere, and never miss a message.' 1765417;1515191066;asciilifeform;lolyes 1765418;1515191149;ben_vulpes;i am having just a terrible time with the else-clause pushing a zero to the stack 1765419;1515191159;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: hm ? 1765420;1515191239;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot 1765421;1515191240;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1765422;1515191266;asciilifeform;!A .0{[foo]}{[bar]}_ Q 1765423;1515191266;pehbot;asciilifeform: bar 1765424;1515191273;asciilifeform;!A .0{[foo]}{[bar]} Q 1765425;1515191273;pehbot;asciilifeform: bar0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 1765426;1515191305;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes really hates typing '_' or wat 1765427;1515191325;ben_vulpes;!A .1{[foo]}{[bar]}_ 1765428;1515191325;pehbot;ben_vulpes: foo 1765429;1515191329;ben_vulpes;!A .1{[foo]}{[bar]} 1765430;1515191329;pehbot;ben_vulpes: foo 1765431;1515191351;asciilifeform;!A .1{[foo]}{[bar]}_ Q 1765432;1515191351;pehbot;asciilifeform: foo 1765433;1515191358;asciilifeform;!A .1{[foo]}{[bar]} Q 1765434;1515191359;pehbot;asciilifeform: foo0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 1765435;1515191421;ben_vulpes;hm 1765436;1515191457;asciilifeform;this is an engineering tension, ben_vulpes ; i'll grant that the trailing _ is ugly. however it makes the mechanism simpler, all { are handled in exactly same way, and ditto all } 1765437;1515191490;asciilifeform;however the _ can be made to disappear, at the cost of an added moving part. i will ask ben_vulpes to draw this moving part, as exercise. 1765438;1515191495;asciilifeform;feel free to submit a patch. 1765439;1515191508;ben_vulpes;wbool flag, you mentioned iirc 1765440;1515191515;asciilifeform;so draw it. 1765441;1515191532;ben_vulpes;gotta have working model in head first before patching! 1765442;1515191554;asciilifeform;( what we have right now, is that we have no 'if-clause' or 'else-clause', physically, they are exactly the same thing, simply happen to be a pair of'em ) 1765443;1515191676;asciilifeform;a { takes a value off the stack and, if it is 0 : ignores further ops until it gets a ~matching~ } , then leaves a 1 on the stack; if it is a 1, proceeds to the next op , and when a closing } is found , leaves a 0 on the stack. 1765444;1515191760;asciilifeform;and btw i gotta take back http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 -- in that i have nfi how to 'abolish the _' while making nested conditionals still work. 1765445;1515191760;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 17:07 phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack. 1765446;1515191776;asciilifeform;grrrr http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763210 i mean. 1765447;1515191776;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 17:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 << i've been thinking of abolishing the artifact where a 0 stays on the stack after the 'else' branch. it'd require only 1 extra state variable ( a WBool ) 1765448;1515191911;asciilifeform;aaaactually i can think of 1 way : 1765449;1515191926;asciilifeform;if { were to LEAVE THE SELECTOR on the stack , instead of eating it 1765450;1515191953;asciilifeform;then the optional else-clause could be preceded by a ~ 1765451;1515191962;asciilifeform;and trigger on the negation of that selfsame selector. 1765452;1515191976;asciilifeform;otherwise , if we do not want the else-clause, we drop _ it. 1765453;1515192004;asciilifeform;phf, ben_vulpes , mircea_popescu , et al ^ 1765454;1515192095;asciilifeform;so {[foo]}{[bar]} would then instead look like {[foo]}~{[bar]}_ grrrrrr 1765455;1515192115;ben_vulpes;i has it! 1765456;1515192118;ben_vulpes;sweet 1765457;1515192119;asciilifeform;hm? 1765458;1515192132;ben_vulpes;a solution! 1765459;1515192136;asciilifeform;post? 1765460;1515192152;ben_vulpes;well, gonna reread vpatch for ch04 and then submit with my seal but sure, gimme a sec 1765461;1515192182;asciilifeform;patch on top of ch5 plox 1765462;1515192193;asciilifeform;or it won't go into ch6 (or anywhere) 1765463;1515192279;ben_vulpes;i haven't bitten off the patch yet, and might not get to it by the time you release ch6, this all takes me a lot longer than phf or lobbes 1765464;1515192291;asciilifeform;consider describing it here then 1765465;1515192310;ben_vulpes;oh sorry sorry, i meant a solution to the ch4 puzzle 1765466;1515192315;asciilifeform;point being, if you patch on an existing ffa_calc, it'll have to be reground 1765467;1515192319;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaa lok 1765468;1515192339;asciilifeform;i thought ben_vulpes was speaking of a soln to the branch thing 1765469;1515192396;ben_vulpes;nah, dun expect such of me; i draft plans for field construction of catapaults i don't invent them 1765470;1515192418;asciilifeform;dunno, this item is in principle accessible to the n00b 1765471;1515192429;asciilifeform;it dun use no fancy book-larnin' 1765472;1515192508;ben_vulpes;i'll noodle on it as appropriate, sure 1765473;1515192539;ben_vulpes;(ch 4 puzzle accessible to noob as well, but still took me much grinding of headgears) 1765474;1515192562;asciilifeform;so let's hear ben_vulpes's answ 1765475;1515192566;asciilifeform;or rather, feed to pehbot 1765476;1515192627;asciilifeform;!!pehbot .4.3.6.ABCD.FF.0.1 ( ben_vulpes's solution goes here ) Q 1765477;1515192632;asciilifeform;!A .4.3.6.ABCD.FF.0.1 ( ben_vulpes's solution goes here ) Q 1765478;1515192632;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FF000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ABCD000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000600000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000030000000000000000000000000000000000 1765479;1515192661;asciilifeform;... oughta output ABCD etc 1765480;1515192672;ben_vulpes;oh man i didn't even test against hex values 1765481;1515192679;asciilifeform;why would it matter 1765482;1515192692;asciilifeform;recall how constants work to begin with 1765483;1515192741;ben_vulpes;i know that it shouldn't, but i do like to actually test things 1765484;1515192745;ben_vulpes;lest i ironclad myself 1765485;1515192758;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch5_egypt/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_calc.adb#L232 << for reference 1765486;1515192800;ben_vulpes;!A .4.3.6.ABCD.FF.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q 1765487;1515192800;pehbot;ben_vulpes: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ABCD 1765488;1515192824;asciilifeform;!A .4.3.6.0.FF.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q 1765489;1515192825;pehbot;asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FF 1765490;1515192829;asciilifeform;!A .4.3.6.0.0.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q 1765491;1515192829;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000006 1765492;1515192833;asciilifeform;!A .4.3.0.0.0.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q 1765493;1515192833;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004 1765494;1515192838;asciilifeform;!A .0.3.0.0.0.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q 1765495;1515192838;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003 1765496;1515192842;asciilifeform;!A .0.0.0.0.0.0.1 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q 1765497;1515192842;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 1765498;1515192848;asciilifeform;!A .0.0.0.0.0.0.0 ``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_``>{_}{'_}_ Q 1765499;1515192848;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 1765500;1515192856;asciilifeform;unsurprisingly, it worx 1765501;1515192860;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes is a winrar 1765502;1515192868;asciilifeform;now he can look at the 'official' answr in ch5. 1765503;1515192872;ben_vulpes;caftans for the caftan god 1765504;1515193030;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why `int' for EOF and `Integer' for Sadness_Code ? 1765505;1515193068;asciilifeform;no good reason. 1765506;1515193086;asciilifeform;( 'int' reflects that it gets used strictly in the c ffi , was orig idea ) 1765507;1515193101;ben_vulpes;hmk 1765508;1515193110;asciilifeform;os.ads/adb is to corral all of the unix-specific uglies 1765509;1515193131;asciilifeform;it gets replaced wholesale when porting to, e.g., a dedicated micro 1765510;1515193150;asciilifeform;( yes there will be a mips32 etc ) 1765511;1515193697;shinohai;http://archive.is/A0xiZ <<< How Roy Moore deals with the opposition. 1765512;1515193819;asciilifeform;'Tina Johnson, who first came to public notice for accusing Senate candidate Roy Moore of grabbing her in his office in the early 1990s' << how to parse this sentence ? 1765513;1515193837;asciilifeform;[accusing ....] [in the early 1990s] ? 1765514;1515193848;asciilifeform;or .... [accusing ... in the early 1990s] ? 1765515;1515193877;asciilifeform;i.e. when was the accusation ? 1765516;1515193939;shinohai;It's Alabama journalism, so don't expect too much .... 1765517;1515193945;ben_vulpes;very specific with the accusation history too, in the office is where she accused him! 1765518;1515193950;asciilifeform;no but this q has an answer 1765519;1515193952;asciilifeform;what is it 1765520;1515193988;ben_vulpes;she went to wal-mart! crucial detail! 1765521;1515193995;*;ben_vulpes tunes out 1765522;1515194023;asciilifeform;walmartistan! 'filtration system, a marvel to behoooold...'(tm)(r) 1765523;1515194081;ben_vulpes;hey asciilifeform didja have any objections to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759143 ? 1765524;1515194081;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 04:52 trinque: why not have one file, manifest, and you edit it, then vdiff the whole shebang. 1765525;1515194103;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i dun recall that this scheme was ever fleshed out 1765526;1515194117;asciilifeform;into something to which i'd have , or not have, an objection 1765527;1515194122;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759146 seemed pretty fleshed out to me 1765528;1515194122;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 04:52 mircea_popescu: trinque because it'll get a mess ; ben_vulpes it's just a counter. increments 1 from prev line. shall i do a sample pastebin ? 1765529;1515194157;asciilifeform;it doesn't solve the fundamental problem 1765530;1515194164;asciilifeform;which is that ~moves~ are ugly and info-destroying 1765531;1515194190;asciilifeform;i oughta be able to take a 1MB text file, cut it in the middle, and swap the halves, and the resulting diff to be a few lines. 1765532;1515194198;ben_vulpes;different problem, different problem. 1765533;1515194201;trinque;question there wasn't just moves. it was how to ever have two patches with same parent, that edited different files, end up same item. 1765534;1515194205;asciilifeform;nope. same problem, in essence. 1765535;1515194226;asciilifeform;trinque: consider how i solved this in trb. 1765536;1515194262;asciilifeform;( 'this' being 'same parent ... end up same item' ) 1765537;1515194289;trinque;the opacity of this question is by now baffling to me. 1765538;1515194302;asciilifeform;let's concretize 1765539;1515194308;asciilifeform;look at the graph in http://btcbase.org/patches 1765540;1515194310;trinque;already has been. 1765541;1515194329;asciilifeform;aite , if trinque gets it , i won't waste logspace 1765542;1515194330;trinque;you edit db.cpp. I edit main.cpp. how does someone now use both of those pieces of work in a 3rd patch. 1765543;1515194387;asciilifeform;by copying the db.cpp from asciilifeform's tree, the main.cpp from trinque's , and making sure they do not semantically conflict , then vdiffing. 1765544;1515194400;asciilifeform;bang, valid coalescing. 1765545;1515194468;asciilifeform;just like how, e.g., asciilifeform_and_now_we_have_eatblock coalesces mod6_fix_dumpblock_params and asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip 1765546;1515194615;ben_vulpes;what irks me about this is that one can make a patch that depends on a state of the codebase that is not a valid press. 1765547;1515194651;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the only item required to be a hook on which a valid press hangs, is individual patch 1765548;1515194651;ben_vulpes;or to put it a different way, that one *must* create an invalid state in order to patch atop two divergent patches. 1765549;1515194673;asciilifeform;how you make a vdiff is yer own biznis, can make with magnetic needle for all anybody cares 1765550;1515194675;trinque;how does this not expand to still more antecedents dragged into child patch as time goes on? 1765551;1515194688;asciilifeform;trinque: why would anything end up 'dragged in' 1765552;1515194699;asciilifeform;can draw a hypothetical for asciilifeform's enlightenment plox ? 1765553;1515194784;trinque;patch A1 and A2 are peers, happened to different files with same starting codebase state. you proposed writing a B that encompases whatever changes plus the bodies of A1 and A2. 1765554;1515194790;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: think of it this way : EVERY time you edit ANYTHING, you created 'invalid' state, i.e. one that could never have been the result of a sequence of presses of previously-existing patches ! 1765555;1515194874;asciilifeform;trinque: if B needs A1 and A2, it naturally gets parented by both. if it needs instead modified A1' and A2' , then naturally each of those is parented by the respective A1 or A2 1765556;1515194886;asciilifeform;there's no particular reason for anything extraneous to get draggedin 1765557;1515194910;asciilifeform;i am so far failing to see the mega-problem 1765558;1515194971;asciilifeform;i pointedly do NOT agree that 'having to use an external tool like cp command' is a problem. for fuckssake you have to use a non-vtron tool to edit the coad ! vtron dun replace emacs. 1765559;1515194982;trinque;you do not see how it's fundamentally retarded to consider db.cpp a distinct thing, rather than the scroll "trb" as the *thing* 1765560;1515195012;asciilifeform;trinque: if you really hate files, you are welcome to make the whole proggy 1 file 1765561;1515195020;asciilifeform;this will then reflect the desired semantics. 1765562;1515195030;asciilifeform;but do not try to cripple MY programs into 'being 1 file'. 1765563;1515195038;asciilifeform;or ask writers of books to dispense with chapters 1765564;1515195049;asciilifeform;cutting items into named parts, is useful, ffs 1765565;1515195076;asciilifeform;i think i grasp what trinque wants : for vtron to actually reflect the semantics of the code being juggled 1765566;1515195095;asciilifeform;this is not actually possible in a general way, it'd have to ~understand~ cpp, ada, cl, whatevers 1765567;1515195099;trinque;db.cpp is nothing by itself, other than "ono this file was too big" 1765568;1515195120;trinque;sure it is; I proposed before that the antecedent hash ought to be the hash of the concatenation 1765569;1515195139;trinque;to date no one has critiqued that view directly. 1765570;1515195150;asciilifeform;this TAKES AWAY detail that is currently preserved. 1765571;1515195167;asciilifeform;and imposes nonsensical constraint that would not otherwise be imposed. 1765572;1515195179;trinque;nonsense indeed. 1765573;1515195209;asciilifeform;patches that do not touch db.cpp , in any way shape or form, should not lock it into a state or depend on a particular state of it 1765574;1515195234;trinque;I do not need to edit the fucking thing to depend on a particular state of it 1765575;1515195260;asciilifeform;trinque: your tree ends up a spaghetti of radiating strands that can never recoalesce. 1765576;1515195416;trinque;I am not going to sidestep onto that point. I made one, have anything to say to it? 1765577;1515195429;asciilifeform;that it completely thermonukes the usefulness of v, to me personally. 1765578;1515195444;asciilifeform;and i'ma have nothing to do with any project that makes use of such a system. 1765579;1515195453;asciilifeform;want moar ? or get the idea 1765580;1515195519;asciilifeform;take for example http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected . in properly working v, it ONLY depends on db.cpp being a particular hash . and does NOT lock you into anything else being anything else in particular. 1765581;1515195554;ben_vulpes;the point that trinque is making is that you can change other files in such a way that ruins maxint_locks 1765582;1515195555;asciilifeform;if instead it demanded that your tree, to apply it, be bitwise-identical to asciilifeform's tree when he made it -- you could only build on this patch if you reground ALL of EVERYONE's work every single fucking time 1765583;1515195571;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yes and this is coarse error in pilotage. THIS, not the fact that v permits you. 1765584;1515195585;asciilifeform;knife will cut artery as well as sausage. not knife's job,to know what it cuts. 1765585;1515195621;trinque;we come to a deep political disagreement there 1765586;1515195628;trinque;the more constraints against idiocy the better. 1765587;1515195647;asciilifeform;think, if EVERY patch requires global regrind of all of world history, you ain't using v, may as well throw out all of the unnecessary equipment -- you're passing a monolithic turd around 1765588;1515195674;trinque;there can be multiple trees just fine in that world 1765589;1515195676;asciilifeform;i will not tie OWN hands to possibly constrain some idiot somewhere. 1765590;1515195712;trinque;hasn't yet been any reason someone benefits by having your edit to maxlocks but having done something batshit to say, a file db.cpp depends upon 1765591;1515195721;asciilifeform;if trb tree can continue to look EXACTLY like http://btcbase.org/patches ( with new leaves growing ) -- your vtron is usable. if not -- not. 1765592;1515195773;asciilifeform;trinque: the fact that the patch gets to be small, readable, and cleanly coalesceable . it correctly reflects the fact that it nonconflicts with items outside of db.cpp . 1765593;1515195795;asciilifeform;it makes no superfluous constraints . 1765594;1515195821;asciilifeform;superflous constraints, 'just in case', is how the talmudists ended up the way they are. 1765595;1515195861;asciilifeform;y'know how this ends,trinque, it ends with having to line yer house with rope ('eruv'), pay some d00d to dial a modem to turn yer stove on and off... 1765596;1515195930;asciilifeform;but i'ma rewind upstack : trinque is entirely free to begin using this type of v right now ! by coalescing whole proggy into 1 file. then he can see what ends up happening to his tree. 1765597;1515196034;asciilifeform;that's what 'hash the codebase' equals. 1 file. 1765598;1515196059;ben_vulpes;i'm going to tap out, will wait for mircea_popescu to pour some more fuel on this one. 1765599;1515196081;asciilifeform;srsly i dunget why all of you lot so much want to break v. it WORKS. 1765600;1515196087;asciilifeform;and is SIMPLE . 1765601;1515196096;ben_vulpes;can dig trench here or ten feet sideways, literally does not matter to me. 1765602;1515196112;asciilifeform;and yes it relies on operators not to do blitheringly idiotic things. this is why v is possible in tmsr and not at microshit. 1765603;1515196149;asciilifeform;( and moreover, if operators INSIST on committing war crimes, it makes cleanup trivial. called negrate. ) 1765604;1515196160;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: arguing has honed how i see the problem at least 1765605;1515196178;ben_vulpes;not going to go break everything, at least today. 1765606;1515196199;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765599 << I'm not dignifying this shit. 1765607;1515196199;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 23:48 asciilifeform: srsly i dunget why all of you lot so much want to break v. it WORKS. 1765608;1515196215;asciilifeform;it's a fact. it works. 1765609;1515196244;asciilifeform;the patches are readable because they are minimal, and local changes stay local. 1765610;1515196295;asciilifeform;and at the risk of repeating , trinque can ~already~ do his style, in the existing v. whereas asciilifeform can't do worth shit in a trinque-style v. 1765611;1515196494;asciilifeform;mod6's 'makefiles' was able to cleanly build on 'asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected' , without regrinding anything. i still fail to understand what would have been gained by forcing mod6 to ~manually~ regrind the entire history of entire fucking world in order to produce 'makefiles' ( and for the latter to consequently weigh a megabyte , instead of 10kb !!! ) 1765612;1515196721;ben_vulpes;ehehehentirely unrelatedly, asciilifeform, what's with the odd capitalization of mUx in ch4? 1765613;1515196726;asciilifeform;because U 1765614;1515196729;asciilifeform;i thought it was clear 1765615;1515196839;trinque;first off, I wrote the makefiles, mod6 modified. speaking of political fog. 1765616;1515196845;asciilifeform;i'ma summarize the v thing : if you have a proposed new v algo ; and it would turn my 1kB patches into 1MB, and my readable 3 lines into 100kLoc of ?#@%$*(@%% , and my trivial machine-diff-verifiable changes into 'why dontcha sit for 5 years doing eyeball-powered diff' -- it is NOT an improvement. and i won't touch it. sign it. sign anything made on it. etc 1765617;1515196856;trinque;second, does my memory deceive or did the thing end up with a comment in an *unrelated file* 1765618;1515196885;asciilifeform;trinque: you did , hm, didntcha 1765619;1515196902;ben_vulpes;db.cpp, init.cpp, several 1765620;1515196903;*;asciilifeform does not recall who made each item unless said fact was preserved in nakme 1765621;1515196905;asciilifeform;*nazme 1765622;1515196908;asciilifeform;grr 1765623;1515196909;asciilifeform;name 1765624;1515196913;trinque;ben_vulpes: don't cloud the politics with facts! 1765625;1515196918;asciilifeform;lol 1765626;1515196941;ben_vulpes;but this is the magic political speshul case of a patch that ties together other patches for the political object that is a release! 1765627;1515196950;asciilifeform;trinque: it in fact put comments in unrelated file. just as i described must be done to tie up strands, when i released v 1765628;1515196966;asciilifeform;note that this is an item you have ~option~ of doing. 1765629;1515196982;asciilifeform;if every patch were forced to do it, you could not have a tree at all -- only radiating spokes. 1765630;1515196988;asciilifeform;try it yourself. 1765631;1515197232;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is nothing mechanically 'speshulcase' about it, the vtron has no dedicated execution path for it. it'sa patch like any other. 1765632;1515197376;asciilifeform;and it is the correct way to coalesce strands. 1765633;1515197427;trinque;this is nonsense. people can choose any prior state whatsoever as basis for a new patch. 1765634;1515197434;asciilifeform;if asciilifeform misread trinque's scheme somewhere -- will reread. but my current understanding is that it is exactly equivalent to signing tarballs. like in dark ages. 1765635;1515197447;trinque;it's certainly easier to criticize that way, isn't it 1765636;1515197454;asciilifeform;you can sign tarballs right now. i dun see why to even use a vtron then. 1765637;1515197465;asciilifeform;trinque: is the observation factual or not ? 1765638;1515197475;asciilifeform;how does $scheme differ from the old practice of signing tars ? 1765639;1515197532;trinque;you are *already* naming arbitrary antecedents in this ad hoc manner of ~meaningless~ junk edits that do not well convey why they happened by sitting there. 1765640;1515197565;asciilifeform;but they aren't meaningless. they signify 'you will have ~this~ db.cpp and ~this~ db.h and ...' 1765641;1515197576;trinque;I proposed two schemes to better model it, and actually like the second better. one was including the entire concatenation's hash in a vpatch. the second was being able to name arbitrary antecedent files without the requirement that diff material follows 1765642;1515197618;asciilifeform;trinque: let's consider the 2nd then 1765643;1515197652;asciilifeform;suppose this algo were in use. and it is time for trinque to write the 'makefiles' patch . how does the latter coalesce the strands ? 1765644;1515197687;asciilifeform;( btw does trinque have an existing variant-vtron that i can look at the output of ? ) 1765645;1515197726;trinque;by simply naming the files that would've received the junk-comments as antecedents, with hash of their expected state 1765646;1515197747;trinque;there are two questions conflated here; 1) what is the expected state of the patient and 2) what is to be done to him 1765647;1515197769;asciilifeform;understand, trinque , asciilifeform does not suffer from an irrational hatred of people who start with letter 't' , and thereby balk at $algo. asciilifeform genuinely does not see how it results in anything other than a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765616 horror show. 1765648;1515197769;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 00:00 asciilifeform: i'ma summarize the v thing : if you have a proposed new v algo ; and it would turn my 1kB patches into 1MB, and my readable 3 lines into 100kLoc of ?#@%$*(@%% , and my trivial machine-diff-verifiable changes into 'why dontcha sit for 5 years doing eyeball-powered diff' -- it is NOT an improvement. and i won't touch it. sign it. sign anything made on it. etc 1765649;1515197852;asciilifeform;hey trinque why dontcha write your variant vtron. then we'll talk about the output. rather than this headache. 1765650;1515197867;asciilifeform;i promise to try it. 1765651;1515197916;asciilifeform;this is what distinguishes us from the apes, we can do experiment, rather than argue over empty table. 1765652;1515197924;trinque;certainly will 1765653;1515197941;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759157 << see also!111 1765654;1515197941;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 07:13 mircea_popescu: o the fuck he is!!! ie, the world's heavyweight champion. ayer explained that he's the ex wykeham professor of logic, and since they're both pre-eminent in their respective fields, how about they indulge in discourse rather than intercourse. oddly enough tyson accepted, and naomi campbell slipped out -- apparently undamaged enough by the experience to actually do those not-even-terrible shots with madonna. 1765655;1515198071;asciilifeform;this goes for anybody else who has a crackpot alt-v 1765656;1515198078;asciilifeform;post the coad! 1765657;1515198885;asciilifeform;in unrealated noose, massive reorg on zoolag 1765658;1515198894;asciilifeform;5 ( possibly 6 ) -high 1765659;1515198940;asciilifeform;anybody else see one ? 1765660;1515199149;ben_vulpes;> 2018-01-06_00:29:50.97891 REORGANIZE 1765661;1515199182;ben_vulpes;how are you determining dpeth of reorg? 1765662;1515199205;asciilifeform;mistakenly, lol 1765663;1515199211;asciilifeform;it's the typical 1. 1765664;1515199224;asciilifeform;( as shown by maxheight pre- and post- ) 1765665;1515199252;asciilifeform;i really gotta automate this 'meta' , the existing 'eyeball-powered' one is rather laughable. 1765666;1515199395;asciilifeform;!!up luny 1765667;1515199395;deedbot;luny voiced for 30 minutes. 1765668;1515199406;asciilifeform;luny: who might you be ? 1765669;1515199787;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.benvulpes.sig , ty 1765670;1515199788;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1765671;1515199829;asciilifeform;hey ben_vulpes didja ever sign ch3 ?? 1765672;1515199837;asciilifeform;i have a ch4 for ben_vulpes but not a ch3... 1765673;1515199877;asciilifeform;or hm nm 1765674;1515200015;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch3_shifts.vpatch.benvulpes.sig . 1765675;1515200015;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1765676;1515200057;asciilifeform;if there's anybody else who signed , but not currently visible in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch5_egypt in appropriate spot -- plox to write in. 1765677;1515200279;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rvNE2/?raw=true << for convenience -- who i have so far. 1765678;1515200750;ben_vulpes;figured that you would find it eventulolly 1765679;1515201922;mircea_popescu;now let's see if this log can be caught up with. 1765680;1515202256;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765023 << sadly, not in this language. but otherwise, the german school is the canonical introduction ; read ye yer kant, then proceed to http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=frege (not the other fucking way around ; english is a liability to the thinking man, and the latter's accessibility a burden). 1765681;1515202256;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 17:50 lobbes: In other incidental preguntas: mircea_popescu, can you recommend good "introductory" reading on the subject of thought classification? It seems like the obvious fundamental to improving my cognitive processes 1765682;1515202543;mircea_popescu;and since this was mentioned : "kantian ethics", ie the item on which lazy-because-dumb-because-lazy-because-dumb-because esltards have gelled in their attempt to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764883 ie spuriously pretend "oh, WE ALREADY DID KANT!!" etc is about as relevant to the man's work as newtonian alchemy is relevant to newton's work. 1765683;1515202543;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 07:03 mircea_popescu: other than the lovely "if you launched all pantsuit in outer space, do you expect seti would manage to find any ?" putdown, valuable lesson from naggum : inept bureaucrats / insufferable cucks / other "people themselves" try to barnacle their inept nonsense (in original, scheme) on pre-existing "brand" (as they perceive it ; in the original -- lisp) for the transparently transactional reason that this way they "get to" (as th 1765684;1515202567;mircea_popescu;so do not fucking dare read anything having any ENGLISH SOUNDING NAMES anywhere at any point involved, which includes the fucking best grip. 1765685;1515202591;asciilifeform;watsa 'best grip' ? 1765686;1515202601;mircea_popescu;absolute ban on english as an avenue to this much in the same way absolute ban to barking as an avenue to opera. i don't care if you're a dog and i don't care if barking comes naturally to you 1765687;1515202607;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform job on movie set, ~handyman. 1765688;1515202657;*;asciilifeform tries to think of most recent englischer worth reading... ...turing?? 1765689;1515202751;mircea_popescu;hey, there's plenty, just not really on the topic [i inferred him to have] asked. 1765690;1515202914;mircea_popescu;but yes -- russian translations of kant, fichte, heidegger, husserl, spinoza, frege absolutely acceptable ; heck, even ro ones are fine. french is getting iffy. 1765691;1515202939;*;asciilifeform found eng frege ~inedible 1765692;1515202977;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a place where he was integrated into the borg, but it's a dubious weld. 1765693;1515202979;asciilifeform;and come to think of it, damn near any eng trans of substantially complicated philosopher 1765694;1515203149;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's funny how englischer "german school" goes kant-schopenhauer-karlziggler-hegel"ians"-nietsche-clinton. 1765695;1515203183;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck already, car-paintjob-toenails-sunscreen-beachbod. 1765696;1515203221;mircea_popescu;exactly a problem of "where the fuck is your engine" ie http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763930 ie "your problem is that you aren't fucking thinking. AT ALL." 1765697;1515203221;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 17:11 mircea_popescu: they had all sorts of (utterly nonsensical) "cars of the future", their features being that they were "warlike" (in a dysfunctional, anti-mechanicistic, looks-are-everything-and-hot-beats-cute girl pov) and that they had mechanisms exposed 1765698;1515203251;asciilifeform;oblig eco : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537275 1765699;1515203251;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 15:53 asciilifeform: ' fauns, beings of double sex, brutes with six-fingered hands, sirens, hippocentaurs, gorgons, harpies, incubi, dragopods, minotaurs, lynxes, pards, chimeras, cynophales who darted fire from their nostrils, crocodiles, polycaudate, hairy serpents, salamanders, horned vipers, tortoises, snakes, two-headed creatures whose backs were armed with teeth, hyenas, otters, crows, hydrophora with saw-tooth horns, frogs, gryphons, monkeys, dog- 1765700;1515203340;mircea_popescu;and, for completeness : leaning german off kant is perfectly acceptable manner of learning german altogether, for the sufficiently intelligent ; much like learning greek off homer. 1765701;1515203380;mircea_popescu;contrary to what pantsuit may be whispering in ear, "here i am, with this 10lb book of which i can read not a word" is a very poor predictor of failure. 1765702;1515203409;mircea_popescu;"now we're getting somewhere" better predictor of failure ; and there being english names anywhere inside the item -- almost perfect predictor. 1765703;1515205363;esthlos;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20180105/#802 << I have an intuition that this is missing a higher symmetry. Why not use v for prose documents? 1765704;1515205364;scriba;Logged on 2018-01-05: [19:03:26] as i say -- i see no way out here ; we'll end up with the v-code + blog-commentary ostrich-camel and god help us./ 1765705;1515205499;mircea_popescu;esthlos because if put in separate places they'll automatically personalize ; hence the blogposts comment. 1765706;1515205534;mircea_popescu;!!up jpx__ 1765707;1515205535;deedbot;jpx__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1765708;1515205553;jpx__;sup 1765709;1515205598;esthlos;hmm...is there a way for reflow not to break diff... 1765710;1515205605;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765028 << lmao this guy. YOU PUT IT THERE! and moreover... what is the logic of "begins to suspect that ~nobody actually read ch5" when "it survived nearly a week of asciilifeform rereading whole thing every day." ? DID YOU NOT READ IT ? 1765711;1515205605;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 17:53 asciilifeform: ^ bug. shame on everybody, for not noticing. 1765712;1515205612;mircea_popescu;who might you be jpx__ 1765713;1515205922;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765066 << this inevitably led to mention of knuth which in turn makes one realize tex existed originally exactly because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765177 1765714;1515205922;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 18:12 asciilifeform: well, let's reread http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory then : 1765715;1515205922;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 19:01 mircea_popescu: in any case, here's the logic : the proximate cause of the failure of "computer science" to amount to 0 (not epsilon, 0) since its inception is strictly due to poor treatment of comments as 2nd class item in code. 1765716;1515206311;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765095 << there's a certain...ring... to that. "a cuntoo pressing itself". http://78.media.tumblr.com/9307e89967592d33f10d9598fcdbc2ec/tumblr_ndiplotSRF1th0gwho1_1280.jpg 1765717;1515206311;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 18:28 asciilifeform: no good. first of all suppose there are 2 concurrent runs of the vtron ( say this is a cuntoo pressing itself ) 1765718;1515206385;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765100 << this is a gensym in the sense girl you met at butcher's is your true love. why not call gns like sane people. 1765719;1515206385;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 18:29 asciilifeform: ( make a string out of /dev/random crapola + current epoch time, say ) 1765720;1515206387;mircea_popescu;o... wait... 1765721;1515206522;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765119 << this is actually the most cogent critique of phalocentrism in computing i ever read. 1765722;1515206522;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 18:45 asciilifeform: ( upstack : dma, interrupts, pipeline, instruction reorderer, 'hyperthreading', multiple buses, 'bridges' -- all are epicycles ( hey mircea_popescu ! ) from vonneumannism , where instructions 'push' (unrelated to stack concept) outputs, rather than 'pull' inputs as they oughta ) 1765723;1515206533;asciilifeform;gensyms have 0 to do with centralized name lists or any *ns 1765724;1515206552;asciilifeform;they're simply 'i want a piece of shit that won't recur' 1765725;1515206573;asciilifeform;!#s gensym 1765726;1515206574;a111;15 results for "gensym", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gensym 1765727;1515206589;asciilifeform;^ there's gotta be a likbez in'ere. 1765728;1515206656;asciilifeform;in practice you can use e.g. 256bits of fg. asteroids will flatten you before it ever recurs. 1765729;1515206665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aaaand how do you make it not recuir lol 1765730;1515206672;asciilifeform;liekthat. 1765731;1515206675;mircea_popescu;this is not the samr thing! 1765732;1515206684;mircea_popescu;re-read my comment, it is exactly accurate! 1765733;1515206690;mircea_popescu;can also run into soulmate at butcher's! 1765734;1515206702;asciilifeform;can! 1765735;1515206711;mircea_popescu;back at sanity ranch, ~only way to know it won't recur is the way trinque has it implemented 1765736;1515206716;mircea_popescu;when i ask for a deposit it won't fucking recur. 1765737;1515206767;mircea_popescu;("why not ?" "because he's not gonna reissue the item already in db doh") 1765738;1515206778;asciilifeform;if you have a record of all the prev shots, it is trivial to avoid recurring ( use simple counter ) 1765739;1515206786;mircea_popescu;right. 1765740;1515206787;asciilifeform;harder is when there is not a record. 1765741;1515206807;asciilifeform;in that case rng. in fact this is almost definition of what trng is for. 1765742;1515206833;mircea_popescu;it is, isn't it. 1765743;1515206845;asciilifeform;( you want a unique e.g. rsa privmod, but without having to show it to anybody ... ) 1765744;1515206983;mircea_popescu;tring is secret gensym ; gensym is public trng. 1765745;1515206997;asciilifeform;approx 1765746;1515207087;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765140 << could trivially point into structure by word count! which is how it was fucking done before you darned kids started skatin' on the sidewalk! my addressing into classical text is paragraph count / word offset. what the FUCK is a line! 1765747;1515207087;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 18:54 asciilifeform: ( whynot, is not a bad question, it reduces to the absence of a solution to the tednelson problem -- how to point into a structure unambiguously, other than by line # ) 1765748;1515207115;asciilifeform;same problem as lines 1765749;1515207130;asciilifeform;trivial changes mutilate the pointer 1765750;1515207144;mircea_popescu;notrly, i'd be happy with "text is made of words" ; my problem is entirely "text is made of words ARRANGED IN LINES". 1765751;1515207169;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform code reference is not to be optimized for the writer of code. 1765752;1515207184;mircea_popescu;code reference is to be optimized for the reader of code. 1765753;1515207193;mircea_popescu;the ~only~ person who matters, in ALL of fucking computer, is HE WHO READS CODE, all hail to him, the greatest one. 1765754;1515207197;mircea_popescu;everyone else can go pack mud. 1765755;1515207204;asciilifeform;forget writers of code and who-whom, for a minute, it's an actual unsolved 1765756;1515207212;*;mircea_popescu forgets. 1765757;1515207233;asciilifeform;it's the problem that drove ted nelson mad. 1765758;1515207246;asciilifeform;( and imho not unjustifiably ) 1765759;1515207251;mircea_popescu;explain it to me like i'm new. 1765760;1515207256;asciilifeform;hmm 1765761;1515207372;asciilifeform;there are texts. and long before gutenberg , texts knew how to refer to one another. 1765762;1515207377;mircea_popescu;ok. 1765763;1515207378;asciilifeform;by title, author. 1765764;1515207394;asciilifeform;then gutenberg, and also became sometimes possible to refer to page. 1765765;1515207394;mircea_popescu;by title, author, paragraph and word offset. 1765766;1515207398;asciilifeform;aha. 1765767;1515207410;mircea_popescu;it became new-jersey possible 1765768;1515207416;mircea_popescu;"works 80% of the time and breaks everything" 1765769;1515207418;asciilifeform;e.g. bible grew concordance, with word offsets etc 1765770;1515207439;mircea_popescu;there was an early knuth trying an early standardization of the same inanity, cca 1600, yes 1765771;1515207444;asciilifeform;aha. 1765772;1515207452;asciilifeform;herr leibniz 1765773;1515207471;mircea_popescu;NOTE!!! however thatr foercing this ("all bible pages begin and end on same fucking words motherfuckers!!!) ruins the very point of print 1765774;1515207482;mircea_popescu;which is... to not go around with photocopies, but REPRINT! ie, reflow. 1765775;1515207483;asciilifeform;was bad enuff with print; 1765776;1515207518;asciilifeform;then somebody made electric textrons where the text can... change. AFTER somebody already pointered into it. 1765777;1515207531;mircea_popescu;yes. 1765778;1515207558;asciilifeform;we are here. 1765779;1515207582;mircea_popescu;how is this anything than "high fucking time we implement the original correctness" ? 1765780;1515207615;asciilifeform;q is not whether, but how 1765781;1515207635;mircea_popescu;dude! 1765782;1515207635;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765738 1765783;1515207635;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 02:46 asciilifeform: if you have a record of all the prev shots, it is trivial to avoid recurring ( use simple counter ) 1765784;1515207646;mircea_popescu;the bible take 349875938475893749854379857 paragraph 96 word 17 1765785;1515207650;mircea_popescu;wtf is v for! 1765786;1515207678;asciilifeform;is why i built it, yes 1765787;1515207713;mircea_popescu;so then, can we forget the inanities. reference is by wordcount, paragraph, work ; there is no "generic" work title but only correct patchid, ie the bible take 349875938475893749854379857 above ; and this is fucking all. 1765788;1515207725;asciilifeform;nelson's doom goes away if you can staticize the text. 1765789;1515207731;mircea_popescu;have fixed indentation for all languages (aka only use languages with fixed indentation) and my text can flow! 1765790;1515207746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform much in the way pain in eye goes away once you move the fucking spoon. 1765791;1515207813;mircea_popescu;in the republic, the reference system is patch-tree ; press-head ; word-offset. wtf is wrong with that! 1765792;1515207815;asciilifeform;indentation and whitespace placement in general, oughta be a harem (i.e. terminal config) matter. 1765793;1515207827;mircea_popescu;yes but i like how lisp does it so how about default that 1765794;1515207830;asciilifeform;store data as fucking sexprs already. let the vt100 die. 1765795;1515207831;mircea_popescu;and then harem on top. 1765796;1515207890;mircea_popescu;(contrary to above newjersyization, print was mega-republican tech, in that it STANDARDIZED LETTERS. you would NOT FUCKING BELIVE the unicode the dark ages had produced!) 1765797;1515207892;asciilifeform;this is when asciilifeform admits that he has a small demo of this. but is being saved for after ffa, cuz Finishing Things Properly (tm) 1765798;1515207903;mircea_popescu;cool. not like there's any rush. 1765799;1515207935;asciilifeform;iirc trinque also has sumthing in back pocket , re subj. 1765800;1515208602;mircea_popescu;well this has been a productive morning then. 1765801;1515208767;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765209 << yeah, somehow it became the epicenter of vcritique. 1765802;1515208767;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 19:06 mod6: my vtron has been discussed very much over the last 2+ years. i remember many disucssions where rules popped out. 1765803;1515208774;asciilifeform;iirc we had almost exactly this thread, with the tabs-spaces thing 1765804;1515208827;mircea_popescu;very substantially the same but formally different because no good form yet, so entirely useless (other than from historical pov) 1765805;1515208843;mircea_popescu;EXACT application of "idiots can not have ideas -- idea in hand of idiot is not idea." 1765806;1515208907;asciilifeform;sorta like in another thread re giving money to bears. just makes funnily shaped bear shit. 1765807;1515208922;mircea_popescu;for instance -- i did not observe then that "tab" makes 0 sense, entirely vt100.item to borrow your reference, and will not be maintained. CONTRARY to what i thought at the time, i don't like tabs, i like the thing tabs emulate, which is lisp autoindent 1765808;1515208948;asciilifeform;aaha 1765809;1515208997;mircea_popescu;this is very much the problem of thinking man, "i know what i like i just don't know what it is" ie http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765170 1765810;1515208997;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 19:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somehow you jump from "my printer is shit, doesn't work properly" to "either magic number or throw out printer" 1765811;1515209000;asciilifeform;'didja want 3ring binder, or 4ring, or cleaner desk, or to think moarclearly' per naggum 1765812;1515209363;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765236 << no that was the different one, with the microscopy. 1765813;1515209363;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 19:12 trinque: he was almost, maybe, sort of going to do an archiver and pdf-to-texter 1765814;1515209426;asciilifeform;lol the methscopy 1765815;1515209446;asciilifeform;was ( nominally... where IS his key ? ) d00d 1765816;1515209530;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765251 << this is so fucking epic. 1765817;1515209530;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 19:16 gabriel_laddel: training a NN on FG output to see if it trains faster so I can sell them 1765818;1515209536;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1742992 << the quite memorable lulthread 1765819;1515209536;a111;Logged on 2017-11-25 00:24 gabriel_laddel: 1000x magnification seems unrealistic - that being said: if I crush some product, take hundreds of images of each sample & use them as input into a neural network along with a 1-10 (bunk-absolute fire) rating y'think it'll get trained to recognize the real deal? 1765820;1515209552;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-13#1298079 1765821;1515209552;a111;Logged on 2015-10-13 19:48 ascii_field: '...so the room would be empty!' 1765822;1515209586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah nah, was some other kid, had a whole pile of "nsa recognizes you for your not having done any work in x field" certs and whatnot. 1765823;1515209595;asciilifeform;he got the notion ( re nn convergence, not methscope, lol ) from ancient log, where asciilifeform described own finding 1765824;1515209601;asciilifeform;where, oddly, it works 1765825;1515209625;asciilifeform;good rng in fact lubricates convergence in all kinds of sims 1765826;1515209658;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hm, kanzure ? 1765827;1515209665;*;mircea_popescu is persuased neural networks / expert systems / etc ai.mit nonsense is waste of tiem ; however we could put the difference between trng and prng in these terms : only one is useful for evolutionary work. 1765828;1515209675;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1765829;1515209681;asciilifeform;alphago runs on nn 1765830;1515209704;mircea_popescu;in a sense of nn whittled down to mean "here's this 1T bayesian array" 1765831;1515209707;asciilifeform;plus various special-purpose mechanisms even in asciilifeform 1765832;1515209712;mircea_popescu;this is a neural network in the sense frog has cns. 1765833;1515209715;asciilifeform;'s house 1765834;1515209718;asciilifeform;e.g. ocr 1765835;1515209728;asciilifeform;it works when used as prescribed. 1765836;1515209816;asciilifeform;nn is a very broad item, and properly speaking the 'training' is distinct from the mechanics of the 'neurons' per se 1765837;1515209859;asciilifeform;( can do 'backpropagation', or 'genetic algo' to 'evolve' the params, or some other way ) 1765838;1515209880;asciilifeform;backpropagation has no analogy in meat, incidentally 1765839;1515209881;mircea_popescu;right. 1765840;1515209894;asciilifeform;pretty sure we had this thread.. 1765841;1515210234;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765278 << teitelbaum gaon sez, excessive virtue still vicious. nothing wrong with a little of whatever now and again, i for that matter drink the occasional cup of coffee and so on. the problem's when it becomes a regular thing, "i am in X circumstance therefore must Y". 1765842;1515210234;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 19:21 trinque: hey after mircea_popescu's various whallops on me about weed, I gave up daily caffeine even. 1765843;1515210307;asciilifeform;daily dope is simply a black hole for money, even if it dun do you in 1765844;1515210317;asciilifeform;the meat habituates 1765845;1515210332;asciilifeform;dope correctly ! 1765846;1515210351;mircea_popescu;there's this lulzy "guy wrote 5 checks for $20 each every SINGLE day for three years" sorta stories from law enforcement. 1765847;1515210383;mircea_popescu;"did it not ever occur to you to get a week's supply ahead of time ?" "here's a $20 check" 1765848;1515210390;asciilifeform;ahahaha 1765849;1515210450;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750150 ) 1765850;1515210450;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 01:01 asciilifeform: how to smoke -- is possibly the 1 item where the red man had right idea. 1765851;1515210538;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who would pay for dope with cheque?! 1765852;1515210564;mircea_popescu;myeah 1765853;1515210810;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765700 << Danke schön. I'd like to escape the arid esl labyrinth so I've been slowly attempting to lerne Deutsch (still "daycare" level though); this may help to kill two birds with one stone. Looking like Kritik der reinen Vernunft would be my logical starting point 1765854;1515210810;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 01:49 mircea_popescu: and, for completeness : leaning german off kant is perfectly acceptable manner of learning german altogether, for the sufficiently intelligent ; much like learning greek off homer. 1765855;1515210816;lobbes;Also in the spirit of: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728257 ! 1765856;1515210816;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 20:57 mircea_popescu: in languages as well as fucking, there's no disadvantage in starting directly with the master class. 1765857;1515210947;mircea_popescu;yeah seriously. failure of the esl mind is mostly ensured by a very broken evaluation of "success". take the brick in hand, enough achievement for the first day is to have managed to fucking hold it. yes, it's completely opaque to you. so what if it is. so are many things. see what can be cracked out of it ; there's no shortage of "science fiction" "magical realism" whatever in the actual world once one's you know, no longer 1765858;1515210948;mircea_popescu;deliberately blind. see what can be wrested out of this gesserit cube. 1765859;1515211000;mircea_popescu;"this makes no fucking sense" needn't be either scary or worrisome -- it's the fundamental, unviersal state of mankind anyway. 1765860;1515211294;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765282 << there is that. and, as he points out, "lo! i moved!" etc. 1765861;1515211294;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 19:22 asciilifeform: trinque: i'd bet d00d has spells of sobriety, he has afaik already outlived the expected life of a serious meth aficionado 1765862;1515211319;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with people taking things in at their own speed. everyone does it regardless if there's anything wrong with it or no anyway. 1765863;1515211477;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765384 << win. 1765864;1515211477;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 20:26 asciilifeform: '... stack-based overflow in the function EkCheckCurrentCert. This function is called from TPM2_CreatePrimary with user controlled data - a DER encoded [6] endorsement key (EK) certificate stored in the NV storage....' 1765865;1515211673;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765454 << imo disimprovement. 1765866;1515211673;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 22:41 asciilifeform: so {[foo]}{[bar]} would then instead look like {[foo]}~{[bar]}_ grrrrrr 1765867;1515211698;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765461 << it wasn't supposed to, was it ? 1765868;1515211698;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 22:43 asciilifeform: patch on top of ch5 plox 1765869;1515211705;asciilifeform;aha. try as i might, original stands so far as best 1765870;1515211769;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that q was misconceived, see further in. 1765871;1515211952;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765537 << im just sitting here shaking my head. WTF ALF! talk to the topic! 1765872;1515211952;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 23:18 trinque: the opacity of this question is by now baffling to me. 1765873;1515212010;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765548 << there's no patching atop TWO patches omfg. 1765874;1515212010;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 23:24 ben_vulpes: or to put it a different way, that one *must* create an invalid state in order to patch atop two divergent patches. 1765875;1515212052;mircea_popescu;ok this nonsense in the log is fucking infuriating. 1765876;1515212064;mircea_popescu;let's classify once for all fucking time! 1765877;1515212209;mircea_popescu;1. problem S (alf's) is entirely spurious and not part of this confersation, go talk to dreamweaver about it ; 2. problem A (trinque's) : "if two patches with same antecedent touch disjunct filesets, how does establish which came first" ; 3. problem X ( ben_vulpes 's) : "if i totally sabotage v into a piece of shit entirely contrary to its everything, will you hit me in the head ?" 1765878;1515212243;mircea_popescu;problem S will not be considered ; problem X is resolved by answering yes. because god fucking help you, if your patch has two antecedents you are a heretic anathema. 1765879;1515212291;mircea_popescu;problem A has two possible legitimate answers : A.1 : introduce a further parentage chain (so patch does not discuss merely file hashes but also somehow a hash of prev patch) and A.2 : introduce a magic file which must (by protocol) be touched by all patches. 1765880;1515212320;mircea_popescu;through some discussion it emerged that A.1 and A.2 are not practically distinct, one just provides the memory for the implementation fo the other as a foremost feature. 1765881;1515212336;mircea_popescu;this is the discussion, proceed but proceed like sane fucking people, save me blood pressure. 1765882;1515212965;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765580 << eh get the hell out of here, so you want someone to take that patch and put it into some random other tree which happens to have a db.cpp that matches its hash ? this is insanity on the level of early organ transplantation experiments. 1765883;1515212965;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 23:38 asciilifeform: take for example http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected . in properly working v, it ONLY depends on db.cpp being a particular hash . and does NOT lock you into anything else being anything else in particular. 1765884;1515213011;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765582 << every single time you lift something ; yup. 1765885;1515213011;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 23:39 asciilifeform: if instead it demanded that your tree, to apply it, be bitwise-identical to asciilifeform's tree when he made it -- you could only build on this patch if you reground ALL of EVERYONE's work every single fucking time 1765886;1515213060;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765587 << v exists to permit you too 100/0 split "the monolith/the rest". so the world can therefore safely consists of multiple monoliths. 1765887;1515213060;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 23:40 asciilifeform: think, if EVERY patch requires global regrind of all of world history, you ain't using v, may as well throw out all of the unnecessary equipment -- you're passing a monolithic turd around 1765888;1515213088;mircea_popescu;but yes, there is no other kind of code besides monolith ; i've had enough "bazaar" for three lifetimes of other people i don't particularly like ; and moreover code ambiguity is fucking nuts. 1765889;1515213137;mircea_popescu;i'm gonna skip the rest of this nonsense, jesus f christ. 1765890;1515214427;*;asciilifeform invites mircea_popescu to redraw picture seen in http://btcbase.org/patches . which incidentally is on 3rd year of looking exactly so, and mircea_popescu had plenty of time to barf. 1765891;1515214484;asciilifeform;^ where just about EVERY patch has 2+ antecedents. 1765892;1515214631;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765882 << there is no 'random' that so 'happens'. if hash matches -- the delta is valid. end of story. this is what v was about from day 1. 1765893;1515214631;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 04:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765580 << eh get the hell out of here, so you want someone to take that patch and put it into some random other tree which happens to have a db.cpp that matches its hash ? this is insanity on the level of early organ transplantation experiments. 1765894;1515214765;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765884 << very easy to write infinite cheques on OTHER people's time, yes. 1765895;1515214765;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 04:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765582 << every single time you lift something ; yup. 1765896;1515215061;asciilifeform;apparently the 2016 mircea_popescu-rigormotris-v , as in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1589666 , is doomed to come back again and again 4evah 1765897;1515215061;a111;Logged on 2016-12-23 19:53 asciilifeform: if i had any reason to think that turning v tree into a forest of vertical stakes , exponentially crowded with IDENTICAL payloads that cannot be machine-compared , would make it easier to tell friend from foe and wisdom from folly -- i would agree with mircea_popescu's algo. but i do not. 1765898;1515215068;asciilifeform;*mortis 1765899;1515215090;asciilifeform;who wants to use -- go use. asciilifeform won't touch. 1765900;1515215148;asciilifeform;... and i recommend then to dispense with the pretense of automation, and simply return to signing tarballs. moar honest, and logically equivalent. 1765901;1515215562;asciilifeform;i'll admit, i very much dungetit. errybody hated 2015-v from day 1 ? wanted the 1kb patches to be 1MB ? or wat. 1765902;1515215652;asciilifeform;thread inescapably reminds asciilifeform of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757902 . 1765903;1515215652;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.' 1765904;1515215859;asciilifeform;and yes it is exactly same thing. mircea_popescu/trinque-style 'single hash' v is moar philosophically-coherent. change 1 byte ? you now live in separate universe. and anyone who wants to use any of yours, must manually create a new universe. 1765905;1515215909;asciilifeform;and now it takes a lifetime to simply juggle the v-mechanics, leaving ~0 time for any of the 'irrelevant' detail like, say, writing ffa. 1765906;1515216093;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765888 << fughet, for the final time, 'bazaar', esr ain't here, and aint' gonna be here. and it is wrong to use the whip used for esr, on actual people. until you grasp this, your universe will not contain actual people. to unsheath the esr whip here is a fundamentally solipsistic act. 1765907;1515216093;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 04:31 mircea_popescu: but yes, there is no other kind of code besides monolith ; i've had enough "bazaar" for three lifetimes of other people i don't particularly like ; and moreover code ambiguity is fucking nuts. 1765908;1515216119;asciilifeform;and there is no 'ambiguity' in 2015-v , except in so far as incompetent patch authors permit it. 1765909;1515216128;asciilifeform;which to date is never. 1765910;1515216303;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765881 << sanity looks like this : 'trb since 2015 is made of v. and works. and quite compact. and fundamentally mechanics are correct.' 1765911;1515216303;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 04:18 mircea_popescu: this is the discussion, proceed but proceed like sane fucking people, save me blood pressure. 1765912;1515216335;asciilifeform;i'ma leave this apparently immortal zombie thread alone for nao, for sake of own blood pressure. 1765913;1515216376;*;asciilifeform bbl, bed. 1765914;1515219177;mircea_popescu;gah 1765915;1515219381;mircea_popescu;im striking all this crap from the record. 1765916;1515219409;mircea_popescu;there's a very strict limit on the complexity of any discussion (which -- correlates to its utility) imposed by the propensity of bad actor to inject nonsense in the conversation. 1765917;1515219440;mircea_popescu;every single fucking line you produced in this attempt to double down on the "lalala i can't hear anything" idiocy is flaming, offensive bullshit. 1765918;1515219472;mircea_popescu;first off, the ENTIRE edifice of sanity you partake in is built ENTIRELY on my writing cheques on other people's time. you're welcome to like or not like this, but it is not open to your review. 1765919;1515219518;mircea_popescu;second off, this approach where you take some vague fragment of what was said, respin it into some bit of nonsense meaningful to some random other interest in your own head and proceed as if that's what's said is not a game anyone in my experience willingly entertained. 1765920;1515219547;mircea_popescu;either manage to discuss in the sense of, as part of the discussion, or else go discuss in the sense of, talking to yourself. 1765921;1515220096;mircea_popescu;as to the peculiar way in which http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=eucrypt&search= renders the various arrows : it makes the implication that eg ch4 parents are ch3 "as well as ch1" for the coincidental reason that ch1 is included in ch4s parents both "indirectly" via c3 and "directly" in the lateral and unimportant sense that ch4 changes both files which were changed by ch3 and files that weren't changed since c1. this DOES 1765922;1515220096;mircea_popescu; NOT make ch4 have "two parents" in the sense contemplated here. it only has one, because the ch1 as included by ch3 is necessarily the same as the ch1 as included "directly". 1765923;1515220181;mircea_popescu;if instead of this we look at the other kind of "two parents", whereby ch3 supposedly has both ch2 and mpi_fix_copy as parents, this is specifically the situation discussed by the problem A : that two patches, which ARE STILL IN A CHAIN, nevertheless happen to touch disjunct filesets, and so the question of their order is open (which phf renders "correctly" in the sense of acceptably as he does ; but which is NOT meaningful i 1765924;1515220181;mircea_popescu;n the sense you interpret it). 1765925;1515220333;mircea_popescu;so no, at no fucking point does any patch have anything other than a single parent, which is properly speaking "the previous press", rather than "a random collection of files scattered about". like it or not, files don't have the sort of semantic power whereby a db.cpp "of the right hash" will always be useful when imported into some random project. files are not contextless ; neither because they aren't currently tooled to b 1765926;1515220333;mircea_popescu;e contextless, nor because they could not fucking be so tooled. 1765927;1515220355;mircea_popescu;but in general, this excursion in wank and nonsense could continue ad infinitum and i have reports to write. 1765928;1515223612;danielpbarron;!!up otharwa 1765929;1515223612;deedbot;otharwa voiced for 30 minutes. 1765930;1515223724;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mx3ZV/?raw=true 1765931;1515223728;deedbot;accepted: 1 1765932;1515223741;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/D199E/?raw=true 1765933;1515223743;deedbot;accepted: 1 1765934;1515224606;mircea_popescu;!!pay diana_coman .39 1765935;1515224611;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GE03l/?raw=true 1765936;1515224733;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-december-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), December 2017 Statement 1765937;1515227094;mircea_popescu;!!key ReadErr 1765938;1515227096;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/7C3D6F997D3D965D5A7C74CE9E4BD72145B88987.asc 1765939;1515243286;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765918 << if mircea_popescu sees himself as the 1 fella with a working head, and sole fountain of sanity, and errybody else is a peculiar sort of animated furniture -- i am quite powerless to cure. ( occasionally i'll try curing anyway, as it sometimes seems to work , e.g. seems to be finally cured of 'plain text' after 3+ yrs of 'wie sind sie eigentlich... !' ) 1765940;1515243286;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 06:17 mircea_popescu: first off, the ENTIRE edifice of sanity you partake in is built ENTIRELY on my writing cheques on other people's time. you're welcome to like or not like this, but it is not open to your review. 1765941;1515243349;asciilifeform;err, wer 1765942;1515243406;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765921 << this is entirely troo tho. i simply dun see that it is amenable to a mechanical solution. 1765943;1515243406;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 06:28 mircea_popescu: as to the peculiar way in which http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=eucrypt&search= renders the various arrows : it makes the implication that eg ch4 parents are ch3 "as well as ch1" for the coincidental reason that ch1 is included in ch4s parents both "indirectly" via c3 and "directly" in the lateral and unimportant sense that ch4 changes both files which were changed by ch3 and files that weren't changed since c1. this DOES 1765944;1515243760;asciilifeform;i built the orig v with a certain amount of mechanical 'luft' , so that lateral motion of information between brains was possible without total history erasure. however it is entirely true that this makes it possible to turn a vtree into nonsense with a sequence of individually-correct operations. now you can try and take away the luft , 'hash whole previous press' etc. you can already get this effect in existing v by concatenating e 1765945;1515243760;asciilifeform;rrything into 1file. this comes at a cost. apparently this particular electric fence must get pissed on empirically, for the cost to become obvious. let it be pissed on then, i haven't presently anything to add. 1765946;1515244142;asciilifeform;will add, however, that there is not and will never be a fully-automated, mechanical nonsense-preventer. it is a moar fantastic dream than the prime-number generator. it is rather like to ask for piano that cannot play badly. 1765947;1515244800;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/gDphe << meanwhile, in other noose, '...impact on CPU usage of one of our back-end services after a host was patched to address the Meltdown vulnerability...' 1765948;1515252131;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1765949;1515252138;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16638.36, vol: 13985.49290607 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16683.0, vol: 41480.64559332 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16545.0, vol: 2898.20275182 | Volume-weighted last average: 16665.4505107 1765950;1515252781;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765616 << I dun see why patches have to change much? Thinking of the system proposed by mircea_popescu you would have one line change in a "patch version" file, the rest of the patch would be identical to what we have now 1765951;1515252781;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 00:00 asciilifeform: i'ma summarize the v thing : if you have a proposed new v algo ; and it would turn my 1kB patches into 1MB, and my readable 3 lines into 100kLoc of ?#@%$*(@%% , and my trivial machine-diff-verifiable changes into 'why dontcha sit for 5 years doing eyeball-powered diff' -- it is NOT an improvement. and i won't touch it. sign it. sign anything made on it. etc 1765952;1515253022;PeterL;if the is are sister patches A and B, and you want to make C using both of them you just regrind B to B', the only difference would be the one patch version file, and that difference would be readily vissible by diffing B and B', then make C ontop of B', works with current v IIUC 1765953;1515253511;PeterL;s/the is/there 1765954;1515253869;PeterL;the problem I see with the current system is that you can make a change in one file which relies on a change in behavior of a function defined in a different file. You end up with two "sister" patches, but the second one is invalid without the first. 1765955;1515254246;asciilifeform;PeterL: as the original ( and afaik to date the only ) perpetrator of this particular warcrime ( the shiva item specifically ) i will say , imho the solution is to Not Do That . rather than to try to make it mechanically impossible. but i'ma not repeat this point further, it dun help . 1765956;1515254516;PeterL;so you want to touch comments in pertinent files after-the-fact, while I am suggesting touching a comment in a central file (README?) each time so that doesn't have to happen 1765957;1515254601;asciilifeform;PeterL: i dun particularly want anything ; i'm quite happy (aside from the can't-move-text-or-rename-files nonsense) with the way classical v works. 1765958;1515254778;asciilifeform;PeterL: so to find how it is broken, you will have to ask the folx who believe that it is broken, when they wake up. or at the very least, to read the log. 1765959;1515254855;PeterL;you don't think it is broken that you were able to commit the "warcrime" so easily? 1765960;1515254861;asciilifeform;nope. 1765961;1515254880;asciilifeform;consider piano. is it necessarily broken, because when a cat walks on the keys, what comes out is not music ? 1765962;1515254979;PeterL;couldn't having a standard of "touch readme file each patch" be a form of "don't do that"? 1765963;1515255136;asciilifeform;PeterL: the result is that the only way for PeterL to use something asciilifeform wrote, is to turn his house into an exact duplicate of asciilifeform's; or alternatively to cut-and-paste, eulora-mpi-style, destroying all record of the copied item's history. but i already said this. try reading log ? 1765964;1515255251;PeterL;isn't that why we have a main-line version of software, so everybody is working on the same thing? does it make sense for everybody to be wroking on something slightly difference and expect my changes to fit your thing? 1765965;1515255301;PeterL;and I don't see it as cut-and paste, you would just be changing the one line in the patch to merge it into your own flow? 1765966;1515255343;PeterL;have a patch-of-the-patch? 1765967;1515255380;asciilifeform;PeterL: why dontcha wait until trinque writes his modified vtron, and see what this looks like with own eyes. because for each line of this unproductive thread that we write, mircea_popescu will take an extra gulp of rum, and i suspect that it is not good for his digestion. 1765968;1515255395;PeterL;lol 1765969;1515255499;PeterL;and how do I know if I take random patch from you and stick it in my different patch tree that it will not break something? wouldn't I want to have the same world as you before adding your patch? 1765970;1515255517;asciilifeform;if you are 'taking random' somethings from somewhere and 'sticking them' blindly somewhere else, the error is YOU 1765971;1515255542;asciilifeform;there is not a mechanical substitute for own brain. 1765972;1515255573;asciilifeform;the onus is on YOU, to READ every single fucking line. 1765973;1515255603;asciilifeform;i'm not even convinced that mircea_popescu is wrong to demand that everyone who wants to use a patch with own universe, oughta rewrite it, painfully with own hands. 1765974;1515255646;asciilifeform;what i'm not convinced of is that the current crop of hands is up to the job. as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762384 . 1765975;1515255646;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 16:10 mircea_popescu: similarily if you went with machine guns into campus of your choice, the output will be pile of bodies, not red army. 1765976;1515255670;asciilifeform;for instance as we speak nao , asciilifeform is rewriting OWN proggy, for the 4th time. line by line. 1765977;1515255681;asciilifeform;and 5th if you count the paper. 1765978;1515255813;asciilifeform;and the other caveat - if a patch is 500kB, 1) no one will in actuality read it 2) people will lie to themselves and each other re having 'read'. 1765979;1515255831;asciilifeform;and will cut&paste and lie to selves re having 'rewritten'. 1765980;1515255962;asciilifeform;PeterL: didja ever have 1980s b00kz, magazines, with proggies in'em ? asciilifeform did. and learned more from retyping them, than ever learned at uni 1765981;1515255988;asciilifeform;i still have one with little games for c64, written as peek/pokes... 1765982;1515256016;asciilifeform;this was possible partly because 'hands were stronger then' but partly because the proggies were SMALL. 1765983;1515256171;PeterL;yes, I had a couple that included BASIC "games" 1765984;1515256315;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765051 << when I was little my dad had (might still have) this nice calculator that asciilifeform would like, it was a scientific calculator, used rpn, was about the size of a mans palm, landscape, solid metale housing 1765985;1515256315;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 18:04 asciilifeform: ever owned a rpn calc , ben_vulpes ? 1765986;1515256327;asciilifeform;PeterL: hp16 series ? 1765987;1515256330;asciilifeform;i have one here, 16c 1765988;1515256335;PeterL;I dun remember which 1765989;1515256346;asciilifeform;the one with bin/hex/octal buttons 1765990;1515256369;asciilifeform;http://www.thimet.de/CalcCollection/Calculators/HP-16C/HP-16C-M.JPG << subj 1765991;1515256403;asciilifeform;there were several models with this shape, for different professions ( the one for accountants is still sold , even ) 1765992;1515256431;PeterL;nah, simmilar layout but about twice as many buttons 1765993;1515256450;PeterL;he is physicist, used it for serious calcs 1765994;1515256474;asciilifeform;possibly one of the contemporary calcs with 'basic' ( e.g. http://calculators.torensma.net/files/images/sharp_el-5400.jpg ) 1765995;1515256480;PeterL;anyway, I gotta go, will reaad logs 1765996;1515256520;asciilifeform;PeterL: you may find http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-28#1114226 interesting ( 1 of the early 'how we ended up with v' threads ) 1765997;1515256520;a111;Logged on 2015-04-28 20:06 ascii_field: not the git thing again 1765998;1515256521;shinohai;Heh I had one of those Sharp calcs when I was a kid, loved the thing. 1765999;1515256767;phf;and the log keeps on logging 1766000;1515258106;phf;asciilifeform: snarfed, but i think i'm missing ch2 for benvulpes 1766001;1515258132;asciilifeform;hm i dun have it either 1766002;1515258134;asciilifeform;apparently. 1766003;1515258697;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765939 << mircea_popescu does not see itself as any such thing, but that's entirely irrelevant. what mircea_popescu sees itself as or doesn't see itself as doesn't enter into it at any point, and you're misstating the problem. 1766004;1515258697;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 12:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765918 << if mircea_popescu sees himself as the 1 fella with a working head, and sole fountain of sanity, and errybody else is a peculiar sort of animated furniture -- i am quite powerless to cure. ( occasionally i'll try curing anyway, as it sometimes seems to work , e.g. seems to be finally cured of 'plain text' after 3+ yrs of 'wie sind sie eigentlich... !' ) 1766005;1515258697;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu IS, in this context and fundamentally, the item where the buck stops, as the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-25#459581 concept ; and consequently #trilema is "a thing such as #trilema", as opposed to "a thing such as pantsuit" BECAUSE #trilema is built on this system as opposed to the "buck never stops" only possible alternative. 1766006;1515258697;a111;Logged on 2014-01-25 17:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, they only had one guy to answer to. all systems which are build around a spot where the buck stops outperforms systems bereft of such. 1766007;1515258698;mircea_popescu;#trilema in particular is #trilema in particular because the buck stops with mircea_popescu as opposed to any other specific implementation of the same concept, but that's neither here nor there ; moreover you're very much encouraged to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758744 -- a bunch of locals have managed to reach that exalted level where the experience of actually and seriously working the other side of the problem wou 1766008;1515258698;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 19:48 mircea_popescu: go make yer castles today, so noobs have a shot at life in 2018 1766009;1515258701;mircea_popescu;ld make them more capable. 1766010;1515258735;asciilifeform;butlol, i ~like~ this about mircea_popescu . 1766011;1515258746;asciilifeform;it's why i work with mircea_popescu and not goatfuckistan academy of sciences. 1766012;1515258762;mircea_popescu;yes, but the sad is that part of that like in your case is built out of insanity. 1766013;1515258790;asciilifeform;now how would i even begin to answer that. 1766014;1515258861;mircea_popescu;sit your ass down for one cottonpicking moment, and consider the fact that you're the fellow who, IN THE SAME DAY, deduced that "nobody reads x" on the basis of "i read it every day and never found x.y". this, somehow, was a rational deduction that passed your filter. THEN you proceeded to threaten its-not-exactly-clear whom with burial, over their threats to steal your printer. and THEN you went off the deep end wrt to some 1766015;1515258862;mircea_popescu; strange contorted whateveritis. 1766016;1515258886;asciilifeform;y'mean printer is safe!?11111 1766017;1515258897;asciilifeform;and the squirrels know? 1766018;1515258956;mircea_popescu;get a grip man, you have this strange reactive mr hyde portion, thoroughly anxiety driven, as if you honestly believe, with the deep fiber of your 5yo being, that whenever something happens chulhu will come fuck your plushies. one can almost measure the velocity of republic on the basis of alf-insanity-odometer as measured from the logs, are you aware ? correlate of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763554 is directly above. 1766019;1515258956;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 02:15 mircea_popescu: in other words : republican methodology for improving software, that was slowly swirling towards systematisation down the drain of v turned exponential / made some major breakthroughs in the past six weeks or so. 1766020;1515259058;asciilifeform;well cthulhu did, manner of speaking, fuck the plushies to shreds, and repeatedly. but this happens to ~erryone. 1766021;1515259138;*;asciilifeform wrapping up ch6 , only tuned in with 1 eye currently 1766022;1515259434;BingoBoingo;In other news, last night I had my first experience answering a query in Portuguese and having interpreted it as yet another new accent 1766023;1515259757;shinohai;Nao, really? ^.^ 1766024;1515260081;BingoBoingo;Girl inquired whether I was brasilero. 1766025;1515260290;shinohai;"Am I filthy and smell like cannabis?" 1766026;1515260355;BingoBoingo;Nah, it was in the hostel. The safe assumption there is Brasilero until informed otherwise. 1766027;1515260392;BingoBoingo;I was doing my weekly cleaning and oiling of the boots, which likely seemed like a strange custom for Brasileros to have. 1766028;1515260436;mircea_popescu;in other browsergames, dangerous adventure. incredible, someone made gfx mmo right! 1766029;1515260450;mircea_popescu;does anyone want to do this same thing to rogue ? i'd buy. 1766030;1515260526;mircea_popescu;(anyone happen to know daniel mcneely, while we're at it ?) 1766031;1515260590;mircea_popescu;http://armorgames.com/play/17985/dangerous-adventure-2 < item 1766032;1515260623;shinohai;I have seen him on twitter before I left, don't know him exactly though. 1766033;1515260718;mircea_popescu;guy actually gets gaming, which is rare. always was, but these days... fucking especially. 1766034;1515260798;shinohai;I'll log in and send him a DM if you like, invite him here for a chat. 1766035;1515260820;mircea_popescu;ah, i thought you were banned 1766036;1515260888;shinohai;I got my ban reversed, but simply couldn't bring myself to go back to that nonsense, figured I had rottede my mind enough. (Thanks alf) 1766037;1515260911;mircea_popescu;cool then! 1766038;1515260917;mircea_popescu;thanks. 1766039;1515260940;*;shinohai mainly wanted to copy all his slut contacts, only reason for seeking ban overturn 1766040;1515261126;shinohai;twitter recently announced they would not be deleting accounts of world leaders, perhaps you can get ban overturned now mircea_popescu ! 1766041;1515261183;BingoBoingo;Nah, they only don't ban insufficient world leaders 1766042;1515261212;mircea_popescu;eh, anyone can set up a rss from here, which is ~the whole thing i'd even consider. 1766043;1515261249;mircea_popescu;aaactualy! how about this as a small job for you shinohai ? set up a bot, rss lines from here to twitter and @, dms from twitter here. 1766044;1515261307;mircea_popescu;just make sure it spits them out when asked and in a paste less it angers ye gods. 1766045;1515261326;shinohai;Interesting idea .... rss feeds themselves are quite easy, but the DM thing caused me grief last time I attempted iirc 1766046;1515261344;mircea_popescu;so without dms then. 1766047;1515261352;mircea_popescu;can't imagine why, it must be just a feed like any other neh ? 1766048;1515261383;mircea_popescu;shinohai you can open it up if it works, charge people to host their twatter, it's something. 1766049;1515261384;shinohai;Yes, but supposedly it is an internal twitter "privacy issue" to share DMS 1766050;1515261438;mircea_popescu;ah. so insta-block anyone who dms you, say so in profile (what, and why -- "do not dm or you will be blocked -- this is because twitter's self-important "privacy" bs) and problem solved. 1766051;1515261472;shinohai;Yeah, I simply turn off DMs there is at least a knob for that. 1766052;1515261493;mircea_popescu;nah, block people like this. let twitter suffer the penalty for their pretend sovereignity. 1766053;1515261776;shinohai;Some rss feeds were on my agenda (ala deedbot !!subscribe), one was /btc/ per http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/ .... but I think that kinda fizzled neh? 1766054;1515262516;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-502886.txt 1766055;1515262874;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cA0Ar/?raw=true 1766056;1515262879;deedbot;accepted: 1 1766057;1515264305;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: oversight 1766058;1515264316;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-502889.txt 1766059;1515266627;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766053 << i dunno, i guess it never gathered any interest. 1766060;1515266627;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 18:02 shinohai: Some rss feeds were on my agenda (ala deedbot !!subscribe), one was /btc/ per http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/ .... but I think that kinda fizzled neh? 1766061;1515266690;shinohai;Might do a Eulora promotion or something there this Spring if the btc Gods are kind to me this winter. 1766062;1515266744;shinohai;Surely the autism can't be any higher than the tardstalk experiment. 1766063;1515267343;BingoBoingo;The return of kink place as a "crypto" forum too. Maybe take the temperature of their autism? 1766064;1515267489;shinohai;Might be worthwhile, will add to battle plans this year. 1766065;1515267512;mircea_popescu;if one manages to not expect much, the extramural internet rarely manages to disappoint. 1766066;1515267642;shinohai;aha 1766067;1515267689;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu , do you remember whether gpg 1.4 ( virginal ) can be forced to dump hashpayload when verifying sigs ? 1766068;1515267696;asciilifeform;--debug-all dun do it. 1766069;1515267746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't remember that it can be. gotta to the hard way unbase64 etc 1766070;1515267789;asciilifeform;grr annoying. 1766071;1515267802;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1766072;1515267914;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-502896.txt 1766073;1515270526;mircea_popescu;!!rated ReadErr 1766074;1515270526;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated ReadErr 1 at 2018/01/03 04:50:14 << very.legit.person 1766075;1515272424;asciilifeform;and nao: 1766076;1515272439;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 6: Geological RSA. 1766077;1515272449;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! ^ 1766078;1515272469;asciilifeform;^ replications invited. 1766079;1515272790;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf ch6 , ty 1766080;1515272790;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1766081;1515272882;asciilifeform;closedform rsa, folx!111 1766082;1515273346;mircea_popescu;ha! 1766083;1515273386;asciilifeform;this one contains a candy. 1766084;1515273506;asciilifeform;pehbot updated. 1766085;1515276655;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763376 << /me puts on dunce cap 1766086;1515276655;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 19:46 asciilifeform: mod6: it's the 'official' answer, linked in ch5. 1766087;1515277197;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this is possibly the most fun and educational homework i have ever undertaken 1766088;1515277223;ben_vulpes;bbl, familytime 1766089;1515278040;mircea_popescu;yeah, i'm also quite pleased with the very good style of the items. readily doubles as manual for proper use of english. 1766090;1515278072;asciilifeform;odd, cuz asciilifeform got a distinct feeling that he had made a pudding of it. but happy that mircea_popescu found it edible. 1766091;1515278116;mircea_popescu;perfectly fine. 1766092;1515278150;mircea_popescu;are you allowed to call it "aocp" btw ? 1766093;1515278189;asciilifeform;i dun think anyone will wonder 'what's aocp' 1766094;1515278209;asciilifeform;errybody either has seen , or pretends to have seen, aocp. 1766095;1515278219;*;mircea_popescu got the impression he named it deliberately for the acronymism (a lot more excusable in his case seeing how the uscongresstards hadn't yet driven that joke into the ground) and will sneak out to mix sugar in your fuel tank at night if you dare lop off the the 1766096;1515278222;asciilifeform;( at one time errybody either read or pretended to have read... ) 1766097;1515278245;*;asciilifeform has nfi 1766098;1515278258;mircea_popescu;TAOcp, see. 1766099;1515278265;asciilifeform;if the good doktor writes in and asks, i'ma add a t. 1766100;1515278271;mircea_popescu;works 1766101;1515278368;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nice graph but where's the datapoints on it ? 1766102;1515278379;asciilifeform;good point, i'ma link'em: 1766103;1515278379;mircea_popescu;all the crossings ? 1766104;1515278420;mircea_popescu;as a general rule : if you publish a graph, which is continuous, and based on empirical data, do the world a favour and color-dot the datapoints on there. 1766105;1515278475;mircea_popescu;"Let’s verify the RSA seal of ffa_ch6_simplest_rsa.vpatch, the Chapter 6 code itself, using itself". epic. 1766106;1515278566;asciilifeform;updated. 1766107;1515278572;mircea_popescu;lol he patched rsa. ehehehe 1766108;1515278610;asciilifeform;blew most of an hr looking for that dumper ('gotta be in there...') 1766109;1515278619;asciilifeform;naturally koch methodically omitted it 1766110;1515278628;mircea_popescu;heh. 1766111;1515278644;mircea_popescu;anyway, as ben_vulpes says, these are a pleasure. 1766112;1515278649;asciilifeform;yay 1766113;1515278669;asciilifeform;nitpicks/replications/timing data invited. 1766114;1515278687;asciilifeform;pretty curious how this one will look on various iron. 1766115;1515278705;*;mircea_popescu will pay 2 bitcents to the first l2 (not l1) that produces timing data, to the same standard as teh graph, + machine spec. 1766116;1515278739;asciilifeform;nifty, ty mircea_popescu . possibly some of the new blood will finally do a job 1766117;1515278765;mircea_popescu;give noobs a chance! 1766118;1515278837;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2018 Statement 1766119;1515279058;asciilifeform;the nonsensical padding scheme used by rfc2440/4880/koch is on display , incidentally 1766120;1515279064;asciilifeform;with the 1FFFFF......FFFFFFFblahblah 1766121;1515279248;shinohai;^ neat asciilifeform ... I'm a bit slower learning these bits (like debug flag 2 didn't work on gpg2 because mpi) but patience. 1766122;1515279263;asciilifeform;shinohai: you can't use gpg2 for this. nor stock gpg1 1766123;1515279279;asciilifeform;the patch is against classical ( mircea_popescuine ) 1.4.10 . 1766124;1515279283;shinohai;I know, I have since converted solely to 1.4.x usage 1766125;1515279291;shinohai;^ yeah that one 1766126;1515279422;asciilifeform;btw if somebody wants to write a py or pl scriptoid that'll generate the gpg-matching 1ffffff...blah turdoid for a given file , he will get honourable-mention in the next chapter. 1766127;1515279448;asciilifeform;( then can dispose of gpg for this, entirely ! ) 1766128;1515279486;mircea_popescu;this is a little like being offered mention in the bible. i imagine many at the time thought 40 silvers a better deal, however... 1766129;1515279506;mircea_popescu;history did not end up supporting that view. 1766130;1515279508;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-22#1247807 << how-to. 1766131;1515279508;a111;Logged on 2015-08-22 00:10 mircea_popescu: 5.2.3. Version 4 Signature Packet Format 1766132;1515279649;asciilifeform;we're approx. at level of a ( much cleaner ) circa- june 2017 ffa nao. 1766133;1515279773;asciilifeform;libffa ( the actual arithmetism ) is cumulatively ~1900 loc, (80col!11) inclusive of whitespace , banners, and commentolade ; ffacalc apparatus another ~900, ditto. 1766134;1515279784;asciilifeform;as of ch6, i mean. 1766135;1515279901;asciilifeform;btw i prolly oughta have mentioned, the timing figures (not only in ch6, but all posted to date) presume that ~all~ bounds-checks remain enabled. 1766136;1515279951;asciilifeform;if one is satisfied with the nonoverflowability of the array refs , under all possible inputs , it is possible to yank'em. and get order-of-magnitude speedup. 1766137;1515280049;asciilifeform;ffa is possibly one of the few nontrivial proggies where you can actually do this. because there are no data-dependent branches (aside from the 'data' which is the bitness you run under -- this determines the loopness of the loops) 1766138;1515280098;asciilifeform;the only data-dependent branches are in ffa_calc , the calculator. 1766139;1515280456;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1766140;1515284894;esthlos;asciilifeform: ada woes, am I missing a library? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ndFJX/?raw=true 1766141;1515285005;asciilifeform;esthlos: there are no libraries 1766142;1515285020;asciilifeform;lemme guess, yer on a crapple ?? 1766143;1515285037;esthlos;gentoo 1766144;1515285054;asciilifeform;show how you vpressed 1766145;1515285183;asciilifeform;and your complete dir structure and contents 1766146;1515285208;esthlos;uh, just used ./v.pl p press_output ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch, if that's what you mean 1766147;1515285211;esthlos;ah ok 1766148;1515285228;asciilifeform;and which gnat 1766149;1515285239;asciilifeform;gnat --version 1766150;1515285294;esthlos;fucking xclip 1766151;1515285304;esthlos;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PNSbn/?raw=true 1766152;1515285384;esthlos;well this is fun: gnat: command not found, BUT gprbuild does stuff... 1766153;1515285397;asciilifeform;ahahahahah 1766154;1515285398;esthlos;mebbe its the usual gentoo breaking things into 20 pieces 1766155;1515285409;asciilifeform;you have a bodged install loox like 1766156;1515285414;esthlos;lul 1766157;1515285446;esthlos;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Ada 1766158;1515285481;esthlos;wait, maybe you're supposed to compile AGAIN after USE=bootstrap compile 1766159;1515285501;asciilifeform;if you dont know how to magick a gentoo gcc-gnat, use adacore's 1766160;1515285511;esthlos;mmk 1766161;1515285920;*;asciilifeform bbl 1766162;1515292631;asciilifeform;taxdude (92734888@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.146.115.72.136) has joined #trilema << lolwat. 1766163;1515293195;esthlos;sorry to be a bother asciilifeform, but still not working with adacore's gnat: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NjSGH/?raw=true 1766164;1515293207;asciilifeform;didja clean up ? 1766165;1515293209;asciilifeform;from last time 1766166;1515293210;esthlos;if you don't have any leads i'll mess around i suppose 1766167;1515293217;esthlos;yea, gprclean 1766168;1515293227;asciilifeform;rm -rf the dir and re-press 1766169;1515293239;esthlos;k, standby 1766170;1515293322;asciilifeform;and what it looks like is that your gprbuild, for some odd reason , refuses to recurse. try gprbuild inside libffa , then afterwards gprbuild inside ffademo. 1766171;1515293362;asciilifeform;( there is no reason why this ought to be necessary, this is the 1st report of this type of barf i've seen , in reading yr+ of various barf reports re gnat ) 1766172;1515293470;asciilifeform;presently i suspect that gpl-gnat has succumbed to the work of wreckers. ~100% of the barfology to date, has been from gpl-gnat users with astonishingly variously rotted carcasses in place of a working compiler 1766173;1515293498;esthlos;libffa builds fine on fresh press, but not the demo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HtlZe/?raw=true 1766174;1515293513;asciilifeform;interesting 1766175;1515293520;asciilifeform;your gprbuild works ~except~ to recurse. 1766176;1515293545;asciilifeform;^ anybody seen anything of this kind ? mod6 ? phf ? ben_vulpes ? 1766177;1515293562;asciilifeform;diana_coman ? who else works with gpl-gnat 1766178;1515293564;esthlos;i got no acl/selinux nonsense or whatever 1766179;1515293565;mod6;looking.. 1766180;1515293606;mod6;everything pressed ok right esthlos ? 1766181;1515293643;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis#L161 << the specific item that seems to fail on his box 1766182;1515293661;esthlos;yes mod6 1766183;1515293860;mod6;ok. i've not seen any error like that for sometime now, definitely predates the recent loper-os posts. 1766184;1515293895;mod6;i use that adacore version fwiw 1766185;1515294791;mod6;i did just press & compile up through chapter 6 successfully. so that works at least. 1766186;1515294944;esthlos;i will try on eulora box once its spun up. 1766187;1515300803;esthlos;issue resolved by moving to 2016 ada 1766188;1515301921;mod6;esthlos: nice 1766189;1515301947;shinohai;In other prb: http://archive.is/hgoit 1766190;1515304549;trinque;diana_coman: your www appears to be down atm 1766191;1515313021;PeterL;asciilifeform mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/d5OpD/?raw=true 1766192;1515313248;mircea_popescu;PeterL win. 1766193;1515313382;mircea_popescu;!!pay PeterL 0.02 1766194;1515313386;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oX9dL/?raw=true 1766195;1515313402;PeterL;thanks! 1766196;1515313608;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766176 >> hm. does gprbuild -r fail because there is a main ? 1766197;1515313608;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 02:52 asciilifeform: ^ anybody seen anything of this kind ? mod6 ? phf ? ben_vulpes ? 1766198;1515313751;PeterL;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aoq6o/?raw=true more data 1766199;1515313769;mircea_popescu;data is fun huh 1766200;1515314031;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766126 << so I was like "how hard could this be?" and I am trying to wrap my head around what this comes from, so I open up the gpg source code, and bleh, code is sooo much easier to read when it is written in ada by asciilifeform! 1766201;1515314031;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 22:57 asciilifeform: btw if somebody wants to write a py or pl scriptoid that'll generate the gpg-matching 1ffffff...blah turdoid for a given file , he will get honourable-mention in the next chapter. 1766202;1515314082;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766190 << i see it. 1766203;1515314082;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 05:55 trinque: diana_coman: your www appears to be down atm 1766204;1515314237;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766189 << oddly missing, the part where "we are sorry to report tmsr was right, we suck, we have fortwith ceased all pretense to the contrary". alt-world of snakeoil peddlemen where they're genuwine doktors and alliswell. 1766205;1515314237;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 05:12 shinohai: In other prb: http://archive.is/hgoit 1766206;1515314373;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766177 <- I switched to adacore at some point, when I had enough of all sorts of weird trouble essentially; never had that specific type of problem though 1766207;1515314373;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 02:52 asciilifeform: diana_coman ? who else works with gpl-gnat 1766208;1515314885;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766190 <- it's up 1766209;1515314885;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 05:55 trinque: diana_coman: your www appears to be down atm 1766210;1515315076;mircea_popescu;in other news, anyone want to do a wire for me ? pete_dushenski ? 1766211;1515315688;mircea_popescu;and holy shit the indescribably mixed bag that naggum brings to the table. take https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3216002118211980@naggum.net.html as well as anything : the post-scriptum reads "the past is not more important than the future" NEET cultish wank (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 ), even as the text reads "the past is STILL, and NECESSARILY forever will be, more important than the future -- if it i 1766212;1515315688;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true 1766213;1515315688;mircea_popescu;sn't, it's because you're from africa and have no past". 1766214;1515315763;mircea_popescu;nevertheless -- that the "open source" nonsense was made for new jersey and vice-versa (no, it's NOT TRUE "anyone can contribute", holy shit already, what sort of crapsack world is this to be!), that fare is an immature bitchlet has nothing to do with lone programmers, nor with fucking professionalism. 1766215;1515315836;mircea_popescu;but he doesn't see this, so in he falls into pantsuit sink, "getting personal about profession is tremendously annoying" etc. no it's fucking not, jesus christ, jwz restated. have a better personality instead! 1766216;1515318824;mircea_popescu;im starting to believe the only possible definition of "postmodern man" is "he who attempts to resolve all problems by more insistend application of whatever caused them in the first place and in no other way". 1766217;1515318838;mircea_popescu;stands in for a definition of marxism equally well. 1766218;1515318912;mircea_popescu;(think about it, what is marxism other than the proposition that the dissatisfaction of the plebs, produiced through giving them more than they should have been given, is to be cured by giving them... even more! hurr ?) 1766219;1515319290;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/land-of-coffee-land-of-winds-land-of-oddly-moistened-bints/ << Trilema - Land of coffee, land of winds, land of oddly moistened bints 1766220;1515320202;mircea_popescu;"Revolutions sometimes do work, but their cost in human terms is /enormous/." << no revolutin ever worked, in any sense of "work" distinguishable from "nigger got his delicious free chicken". for the same money, "pillage works". sure, it works fine for as long as you're the one doing it. 1766221;1515320280;mircea_popescu;"but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that." 1766222;1515320323;mircea_popescu;all the strep votes for me so evidently the strepvolution worked. hurr ? 1766223;1515324586;mircea_popescu;https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242173964750774@naggum.no.html << take this gem. "The idiot individualist with megalomania will think that others are his inferiors, that people who work in groups never get anything done while he can get a lot done alone." vs "I am far more conscious in general than other people." BITCH WHICH IS IT!!!1 1766224;1515324602;mircea_popescu;let's iliterately dork about literacy why the hell not, "it's engineering" hurr. 1766225;1515325584;mircea_popescu;but, this bit maybe in the log : 1766226;1515325590;mircea_popescu;"By the way, the SGML Document Interchange Format (ISO 9069) uses ASN.1 to ship SGML documents around. I wrote an implementation of SDIF in three days. Test runs showed that a major CALS application consumed approximately 40% of the character count of the SGML file, and with the then commonly available tools to parse and process SGML documents and ASN.1 processors, the SDIF data stream took around 1/200th as much CPU time and 1766227;1515325590;mircea_popescu; about 75% of the memory to reconstruct the identical in-memory version of the document. This experiment was among the many data points that led me to conclude that SGML is insane and that those who think it is rational to require parsing of character data at each and every application interface are literally retarded and willfully blind. Also, an SDIF data stream can only represent a validated document and the kinds of error 1766228;1515325591;mircea_popescu;s you get when parsing ASN.1 are unforgiving. There is no doubt in my mind that if SDIF had won over the insanely verbose text format, even things like HTML would have been moderately sane. Not to mention the fact that images could have been carried in the same data stream. The world would have been a better place if SDIF had won over HTML, and if the nutjobs who "invented" XML had been moderately in touch with reality, they 1766229;1515325596;mircea_popescu;would have realized the insanity of requiring the verbose end-tags and the stupid syntax. XML-RPC and SOAP and the like could have been fairly inexpensive things. But, alas, people prefer buggy text formats that they can approximate rather than precise binary formats that follow general rules that are make them as easy to use as text formats. Rationality is not part of the SGML philosophy, however, and SDIF was mainly an effo 1766230;1515325601;mircea_popescu;rt to keep the ODA and ODIF folks at bay and was a purely political stunt, not intended to be implemented. When I went ahead and did it, I was not exactly applauded for the effort. The fact that it was /vastly/ more efficient in all respects than the stupid character syntax was /most/ unwelcome by the community." 1766231;1515325658;mircea_popescu;now, that the whole "french people can technology too!" olivetti-document-format went nowhere is, i think, neither surprising nor in anyone's estimation a bad thing ; but divorced from that, the claim that pdf-ttp would have been an improvement ?! wtf is this guy talking about ? 1766232;1515334845;asciilifeform;plaintextism 1766233;1515334911;asciilifeform;( phunphakt- recall that almost all htm today goes over the cable gzipped. in that sense it in fact 'lost' to bin. ) 1766234;1515334996;asciilifeform;gzip was never purpose-built for this. nao picture if it were. naggum, as far as i can tell, wanted a compactly-encoded binform of sexpr as standard, to put plaintextism into its overdue grave. 1766235;1515335006;asciilifeform;which is imho therightthing. 1766236;1515335103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing 1766237;1515335161;asciilifeform;as for xml, naggum was apparently involved with it before wwwism began to take off, and there were any notion of humans editing it directly 1766238;1515335243;asciilifeform;( it was designed as a general-purpose 'self-describing data' -ikr? - horror , and idea was that it would be edited ~with appropriate tools~ - which unsurprisingly never were invented ) 1766239;1515335354;asciilifeform;sgml, rather ( where naggum was involved ) 1766240;1515335380;asciilifeform;ended up xml via similar process to how postscript ended up pdf 1766241;1515335389;asciilifeform;and then ditto re html. 1766242;1515335595;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766221 << they work exactly as death works for people - 'so long as somebody else doing it', noshit. civilizations sensesce and gotta get gc'd - like people. e.g. nick the II-nd's regime was liquishit. or take the last habsburgs.. 1766243;1515335595;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 10:18 mircea_popescu: "but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that." 1766244;1515335607;asciilifeform;*senesce 1766245;1515335721;asciilifeform;if yer ancien regime is vulnerable to revolution, it's rotten. 1766246;1515335765;asciilifeform;it's rather like those fungi that eat aids sufferers. 1766247;1515336006;asciilifeform;i vaguely suspect that without periodic catastrophes where elite is butchered ( dun matter so much by whom, barbarians, jacobins, or plague ) you end up with the castes of india . but naturally not testable. 1766248;1515336251;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism' 1766249;1515336251;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 11:29 mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242173964750774@naggum.no.html << take this gem. "The idiot individualist with megalomania will think that others are his inferiors, that people who work in groups never get anything done while he can get a lot done alone." vs "I am far more conscious in general than other people." BITCH WHICH IS IT!!!1 1766250;1515336410;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766211 << the classical j00z have the 'past is moar important' jumpers set to max: iirc they have a 'the further we get from moses, the moar of god-given wisdom is lost', i.e. nonrenewable resource. 1766251;1515336410;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 09:01 mircea_popescu: and holy shit the indescribably mixed bag that naggum brings to the table. take https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3216002118211980@naggum.net.html as well as anything : the post-scriptum reads "the past is not more important than the future" NEET cultish wank (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 ), even as the text reads "the past is STILL, and NECESSARILY forever will be, more important than the future -- if it i 1766252;1515336433;asciilifeform;imho it is an unappealing and uninteresting pov 1766253;1515336478;asciilifeform;why do anything at all if 'we cannot hope to beat the old greeks' say. 1766254;1515336514;asciilifeform;possibly mircea_popescu parsed the 'important' differently ? 1766255;1515336709;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766213 << d00d freely conversed in the langs of europe, had classical education, read his frege, etc and was no more 'neet' than e.g. mircea_popescu , socrates, et al 1766256;1515336709;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 09:01 mircea_popescu: sn't, it's because you're from africa and have no past". 1766257;1515336830;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766206 << after ffa i'ma necessarily move on to the chore of nailing down gnat. 1766258;1515336830;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 08:39 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766177 <- I switched to adacore at some point, when I had enough of all sorts of weird trouble essentially; never had that specific type of problem though 1766259;1515336896;asciilifeform;and fixing the atrocities like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743986 . 1766260;1515336896;a111;Logged on 2017-11-29 01:41 asciilifeform: funnily enough adacore itself publishes a great many cut-down runtimes for various embedded boxes, e.g. https://bitbucket.org/tkoskine/embedded-arm-gnat-rts/src . BUT they are not usable: 1) there is -- quite deliberately -- not one targeting conventional userland linux 2) none of them support exception handling, which wouldn't be a problem except that ALL BOUNDS CHECKS ARE EXCEPTIONTRONIC 1766261;1515336948;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766196 << the orig, as written , operates correctly on all correct gnats. 1766262;1515336948;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 08:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766176 >> hm. does gprbuild -r fail because there is a main ? 1766263;1515336998;asciilifeform;the gprbuild thing hasn't changed since ch1, also, and i dun expect that it ever will ( unlike makefiles, these dun need to ) 1766264;1515337058;asciilifeform;even works on crapple gnat ( in dbg mode, disables staticbuild , crapple linker refuses those ) 1766265;1515337189;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766198 << neato PeterL. though apparently the resolution of the timer is better than i thought, so probably the weight test should have been written like this, 1766266;1515337189;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 08:29 PeterL: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aoq6o/?raw=true more data 1766267;1515337196;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot 1766268;1515337196;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1766269;1515337228;asciilifeform;!A ....~.~.~ X 1766270;1515337229;pehbot;asciilifeform: 1766271;1515337265;asciilifeform;!A.~.~.~...X 1766272;1515337265;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 9: Division by Zero! 1766273;1515337274;asciilifeform;lolgrr 1766274;1515337309;asciilifeform;let's instead 1766275;1515337368;asciilifeform;!A .0.1+.0.1+.0.1+(and pretend we X)Q 1766276;1515337368;pehbot;asciilifeform: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 1766277;1515337377;asciilifeform;vs: 1766278;1515337405;asciilifeform;!A .0.1-.0.1-.0.1- (and pretend we X)Q 1766279;1515337405;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 1766280;1515337435;asciilifeform;because the game board setup, if you will, also gotta be constant-time. 1766281;1515337499;asciilifeform;actually this is still not ideal, instead let 1766282;1515337564;asciilifeform;!A .0.1+.0.1+.0.1+ .0.1-.0.1-.0.1- ( pretend.. ) Q 1766283;1515337564;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 1766284;1515337568;asciilifeform;versus 1766285;1515337604;asciilifeform;!A .0.1-.0.1-.0.1- .0.1+.0.1+.0.1+ ( ditto ) Q 1766286;1515337605;pehbot;asciilifeform: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 1766287;1515337672;asciilifeform;( exercise for readers -- why is this machination needed 1766288;1515337676;asciilifeform;? ) 1766289;1515339960;asciilifeform;...article updated. 1766290;1515339991;asciilifeform;( ".~.~.~.1.1.1X" vs ".1.1.1.~.~.~X" , nao. ) 1766291;1515341749;esthlos;asciilifeform: have any (text)book suggestions for a computer hardware architecture n00b? 1766292;1515342504;asciilifeform;esthlos: old edition of h & p 1766293;1515342546;asciilifeform;( j. l. hennessy & d. a. patterson ) 1766294;1515342553;asciilifeform;there are prolly other good ones from same era. 1766295;1515342607;esthlos;thanks! 1766296;1515342614;asciilifeform;also depends on where the white spaces in your education are -- do you already know how to e.g. make shift registers, adders, etc. and need refresh re cpu ? or already know cpu mechanics and need electronics refresh ? or wat. 1766297;1515342757;esthlos;effectively, electronics are black boxes. I know how to use logic gates to add, store stuff, etc., but only the theory 1766298;1515342864;esthlos;which actually puts me in a position of not _really_ grokking compys 1766299;1515342980;asciilifeform;out of curiosity, esthlos , where do you perceive to be the gap ? 1766300;1515343016;asciilifeform;( e.g. ' i know how addition works but not how to make a cpu that fetches instructions ...' ? ) 1766301;1515343272;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other oddities, http://www.xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/pd.html 1766302;1515343277;asciilifeform;!#s xah lee 1766303;1515343278;a111;10 results for "xah lee", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=xah%20lee 1766304;1515343296;asciilifeform;^ old-time crackpot, occasional reader of asciilifeform's www 1766305;1515343317;asciilifeform;now has a quasi-blog again. 1766306;1515343328;esthlos;this question is turning out hard to answer 1766307;1515343332;shinohai;It may sound retarded, but I learned how XOR and NAND gates work by reading Forrest Mimm books and building the shit on a breadboard. 1766308;1515343336;asciilifeform;where e.g. 'since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is “help”, “be positive”. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags. Many young star coders are of this ilk.' 1766309;1515343353;asciilifeform;shinohai: so did i 1766310;1515343363;asciilifeform;the little green one with the cartoons specifically. 1766311;1515343366;esthlos;i've read https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Elements_of_Computing_Systems.html?id=THie6tt-2z8C&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false 1766312;1515343372;shinohai;Yes, that's the best one 1766313;1515343399;esthlos;but have no idea wtf my compute is actually _doing_ 99% of the time 1766314;1515343489;esthlos;o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform) 1766315;1515343598;asciilifeform;esthlos: satan himself doesn't know what typical x86 pc does with 99% of its time. 1766316;1515343614;asciilifeform;this is entirely separate problem from 'i don't know how a 6502 worked' 1766317;1515343721;asciilifeform;for contrast , here http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-01#1678049 is a 6502 cpu made by hand , of discretes. 1766318;1515343721;a111;Logged on 2017-07-01 02:43 asciilifeform: in other iron, http://6502.org/users/dieter/mt15/mt15.htm 1766319;1515343804;asciilifeform;or here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489165 , say, is one made 'conventional' way, out of an actual historic 6502. complete comp, runs 'basic' , etc. 1766320;1515343804;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 03:09 asciilifeform: phf: http://zx80.netai.net/grant/6502/Simple6502.html << to get you started... 1766321;1515343841;asciilifeform;once you understand how these 2 worked, errything else in vonneumann-world is correctly seen as a bloated version of same. 1766322;1515343861;asciilifeform;!#s 6502 1766323;1515343862;a111;116 results for "6502", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=6502 1766324;1515343864;asciilifeform;!#s z80 1766325;1515343866;a111;222 results for "z80", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=z80 1766326;1515343871;asciilifeform;^ see also various threads. 1766327;1515343912;esthlos;I suppose I don't know, then, what i'm misisng. but certainly I couldnt cogently argue why x86 sucks besides 'von neumann lol' 1766328;1515343977;asciilifeform;if you dun know the basic idea of von neumann comp, you are not yet ready for this argument, correct. 1766329;1515344001;asciilifeform;the hinge is 'what is the prime mover' in the machine, and what -- 'the moved'. 1766330;1515344040;asciilifeform;in j. von n.'s model, there is (ideally. in actual life, all kinds of 'unprincipled exceptions' like dma) 1 prime mover, what today we call 'cpu'. 1766331;1515344071;esthlos;i know buzzword, 'register machine' 1766332;1515344079;asciilifeform;and it sequentially reads instructions from somewhere, and each time does something. which consists of picking up operands somewhere, carrying out a e.g. addition or subtraction , and dropping the result somewhere. 1766333;1515344101;asciilifeform;then moves to a new instruction, by incrementing an instruction-pointer , and does it again. and again. etc 1766334;1515344113;asciilifeform;this is von neumann's 1766335;1515344115;asciilifeform;machine. 1766336;1515344174;asciilifeform;nao here http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis/tree/fg.v is an example of a non-vonneumann computer. 1766337;1515344226;asciilifeform;( granted fg itself it is not a general-purpose comp. but the fpga substrate -- is. observe that it is not programmed by being given a series of sequentially-executed instructions. ) 1766338;1515344323;asciilifeform;fg per se is , i will argue , ~also~ a comp, it has a few bits of state, accepts input , of a kind, over time, computes a certain function, emits output. 1766339;1515344332;asciilifeform;and, observe, a non-vonneumann comp. 1766340;1515344338;asciilifeform;there are many others. 1766341;1515344566;esthlos;interesting. 1766342;1515344579;esthlos;a 6502 sounds like a good project 1766343;1515344887;asciilifeform;there are simpler designs for general-purpose cpu 1766344;1515344904;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677537 1766345;1515344904;a111;Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta' 1766346;1515344914;asciilifeform;6502 has the advantage of history. 1766347;1515344973;asciilifeform;( and of the raw instructions being quite readable, per se, as a program . unlike the turingsoup one puts into a transfer-machine or the like ) 1766348;1515347463;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766234 << no dude, he a) doesn't have any fucking idea what he wanted, which is shocking enough, but b) what he SAYS he wanted is nonsense beyond the pale. "images could have traveled in the same stream!!!" says the man whose signature says "hey, i have nigerian scam options in excess of a trillion that i'm not exercising, you can stop sending me more". really ? wtf is wrong with him ? 1766349;1515347463;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 14:23 asciilifeform: gzip was never purpose-built for this. nao picture if it were. naggum, as far as i can tell, wanted a compactly-encoded binform of sexpr as standard, to put plaintextism into its overdue grave. 1766350;1515347477;mircea_popescu;I DO NOT WANT the images to be part of the samestream ; or ANYTHING ELSE. half the time i don't even download the images. 1766351;1515347486;mircea_popescu;and no, i don't use https ; and no, not gzipped. and so on. 1766352;1515347493;asciilifeform;ooh yes it is. 1766353;1515347499;asciilifeform;iirc even lynz supports the transpareng gzip thing. 1766354;1515347501;mircea_popescu;html never lost to him ; though the proprietary tardboys keep trying to make it. 1766355;1515347504;asciilifeform;*lynx 1766356;1515347510;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but i don't use it. 1766357;1515347517;mircea_popescu;and trilema doesn't support it afaik. 1766358;1515347518;asciilifeform;tcpdump and you might be surprised. 1766359;1515347537;*;asciilifeform had to disable it manually on a box recently, it fucked up an experiment 1766360;1515347543;mircea_popescu;aha! so then ? 1766361;1515347559;mircea_popescu;"really, i don't use it either, but i like to talk about it" 1766362;1515347573;asciilifeform;good % of www traffic seems to use it. 1766363;1515347585;mircea_popescu;good percent of africa seems to use infibulation. 1766364;1515347598;asciilifeform;( trades cpu time for bandwidth, like any other compressor ) 1766365;1515347624;mircea_popescu;no. that's thge superficial analysis. it trades sense for inca, like any urbanism. 1766366;1515347644;asciilifeform;where's the necessary inca element in compressing a highly redundant turd before moving it ? 1766367;1515347663;mircea_popescu;"can have pictures in the stream" 1766368;1515347675;mircea_popescu;it's EXACTLY the "strlen is now O(fuckyou)". 1766369;1515347693;mircea_popescu;"get the whole thing before you see what's inside" ie "do not do the thing everyone does to republican log -- parse". that IS what inca is. 1766370;1515347699;mircea_popescu;"jam -- tomorrow" 1766371;1515347705;mircea_popescu;"buy war bonds" 1766372;1515347711;mircea_popescu;"move to the city" 1766373;1515347713;mircea_popescu;etcetera. 1766374;1515347732;asciilifeform;how 'picture' ended up a gnarly hack on top of 'streams of text', rather than an uninteresting and harmless 'yet another possible sexpr' is separate item. 1766375;1515347760;mircea_popescu;if i don't get the topstruct and if i can't throw out any up to n-1 elements out of n on my own time, it's broken. 1766376;1515347766;mircea_popescu;this is what "plaintext" means here. 1766377;1515347777;asciilifeform;plaintextism is insiduously wrongthing. there is nothing 'intrinsically clean' about stream of 7bit teletypolade. 1766378;1515347786;asciilifeform;or intrinsically dirty re photos. 1766379;1515347791;mircea_popescu;and if memory serves his sdif was NOT "structure first, and stream recomposed a la carte" 1766380;1515347801;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform different meaning, which is why i used quotes. 1766381;1515347828;asciilifeform;sexpr is even quicker for 'throw out unwanted element' than ye olde txt, can do in O(1) 1766382;1515347840;mircea_popescu;was his sdif sexpr in this sense ? 1766383;1515347845;asciilifeform;now this i cannot say. 1766384;1515347849;mircea_popescu;i don't recall a handshake of this sort. but many years. 1766385;1515347860;asciilifeform;not yet done the necessary archaeological dig, to find whether d00d was on to The Right Thing or notquite. 1766386;1515347871;mircea_popescu;as the astute reader may have guessed, the plaintext revelation sent /me on an emergency reread of many ancient things. 1766387;1515347901;*;asciilifeform also. in anticipation of mircea_popescu's puzzlers. 1766388;1515347958;mircea_popescu;i guess the above was #1 ; but in more general form : how would a PSTP ("plaintext" sexpr transport protocol) actually look ? ie, use sexpr to deliver the above required property. 1766389;1515347971;asciilifeform;this is the mega-q. 1766390;1515347977;mircea_popescu;now it's in the logs. 1766391;1515348010;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform for example has been quietly experimenting with subj since the 1st 'tabs' thread. 1766392;1515348027;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has quit (Read error << where's that shortwave!111 1766393;1515348077;esthlos;o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform) 1766394;1515348091;asciilifeform;waiiwat 1766395;1515348117;asciilifeform;that sounds familiar, esthlos didja fatfinger yer paste button 1766396;1515348129;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766314 1766397;1515348129;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 16:44 esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform) 1766398;1515348130;esthlos;yep sry 1766399;1515348133;asciilifeform;aite 1766400;1515348146;esthlos;can't find a non-shit irc client 1766401;1515348154;esthlos;prolly gonna write one 1766402;1515348160;asciilifeform;there aint any goodones afaik, lol 1766403;1515348197;esthlos;and write a bouncer, without 1e6+ features 1766404;1515348305;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1766405;1515348310;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15889.99, vol: 8447.32925389 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15923.42125529, vol: 31930.41294937 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15850.0, vol: 2252.24896724 | Volume-weighted last average: 15912.9176696 1766406;1515348486;mircea_popescu;epicycles are not a single coherent idea. 1766407;1515348506;mircea_popescu;epicycles are the idea that "i justwant to", which is neither single nor coherent. it is however a simple and comfortable idea. 1766408;1515348529;asciilifeform;the greeks had a peculiar fixation with 'perfect circle' 1766409;1515348547;mircea_popescu;now that's a simple if incoherent idea! 1766410;1515348552;asciilifeform;aaha. 1766411;1515348563;asciilifeform;it was their 'plain text' , lel 1766412;1515348574;mircea_popescu;i suppose it was, at that. 1766413;1515348588;asciilifeform;that is one of the more painful kinds of glue trap. 1766414;1515348599;asciilifeform;the 'simple idea'. 1766415;1515348611;mircea_popescu;ie, an expectation of ideals, which is to say that ideas may be single or coherent. 1766416;1515348643;asciilifeform;and it is a professional hazard asciilifeform is quite aware of on own skin. 1766417;1515348720;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766236 << pdf had a very similar "xml-like" containerized notation in the early days adobe was trying to push it on the world. this is what the problems with these samovars is : whether named adobe or olivetti, they're still samovars, and deducing one is harmless because it never got to grow up is at best naive. they all grow up into the same thing if given the chance ; so never give them an 1766418;1515348720;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 14:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing 1766419;1515348720;mircea_popescu;y fucking chances. 1766420;1515348776;mircea_popescu;which is why discussion with electrum (or any other such tardism) isn't (as the pantsuit aggitators try to make it) carried "on the technical merits". it will be carried in the terms of "those involved are not people, may not touch keyboards, cut their hands and gouge their eyes out". 1766421;1515348789;mircea_popescu;substitute whatever, prb, usg.legalsystem, what have you. 1766422;1515348803;asciilifeform;i dunno that this is false. but seems to resemble what i said re revolutions killing civilizations -- that errything senesces , bloats, dies in the end. 1766423;1515348844;asciilifeform;specifically re postscript --when it was new, it was every bit as clean and orthogonal as, say, ffacalc. 1766424;1515348855;asciilifeform;then the hump of the bellcurve came for it. 1766425;1515348884;asciilifeform;i dun have a mechanized pill against this. 1766426;1515348903;asciilifeform;all things are born, flower, wither, die. 1766427;1515348905;mircea_popescu;the propensiety of K-selected societies to stop beating the dumb wives, and their dumber offspring, permitting puddles of r-defectors to form up (because if no penalty is attached to newjerseysm, newjerseysm becomes very much http://trilema.com/2010/de-ce-sunt-contra-legalizarii-drogurilor/ style mandatory ) ; then K-selected society collapses under the cost of ever growing afr-ican americans, and then, in the new environment 1766428;1515348905;mircea_popescu;, where the penalty for failure is HUGE, springs up again. 1766429;1515348924;mircea_popescu;there is nothing necessary about this cycle of wasteful idiocy. beat your swedish civilised wife whenever she deos the dumb. 1766430;1515348944;*;mircea_popescu has girl into dungeon room right now. she's smart, educated, competent, and she can still fuck up even so. and when she fucks up... 1766431;1515349012;mircea_popescu;there's a REASON the warcry of the r-selected "new programmer" was "there's no penalty for trying". 1766432;1515349028;asciilifeform;i'm curious re the 'they all grow up into the same thing if given the chance' item. 1766433;1515349028;mircea_popescu;there's however absolutely no reason to put up with them. 1766434;1515349031;asciilifeform;which they. 1766435;1515349064;mircea_popescu;adobe, apple, microsoft, olivetti, "the united states of america", "russian revolution", all depersonalized-but-persons corporations. 1766436;1515349076;asciilifeform;( is there a technical root of the cancers after all ? or is it simply the 'monkeys inherit the temple, and it doesn't matter how temple was built' phenomenon ? both ? ) 1766437;1515349083;*;BingoBoingo appreciates growth of samovar joake into classic 1766438;1515349122;mircea_popescu;which is why ... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763573 1766439;1515349122;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 02:43 mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign. 1766440;1515349123;*;BingoBoingo also considered acquiring samovar at the feria today, but decided better. Arepas and baked goods instead. 1766441;1515349132;asciilifeform;'adobe' was originally 2 d00dz , iirc ; ditto crapple. the transformation into fungi happened at some later point 1766442;1515349154;BingoBoingo;2 doodz can have candidiasis 1766443;1515349178;BingoBoingo;Transmit even. 1766444;1515349206;mircea_popescu;yes, when they decided it is "a goal". there's an exceptional line in mimi, metalurgico ferito nel'onore, where some idiots go "ma figli ce li abbiamo tutti, e c'e chi si fa cazzi di tutti e chi si fa i cazzi suoi!" 1766445;1515349212;asciilifeform;this is what i meant in 'and then the hump of the bellcurve came for it'. 1766446;1515349212;BingoBoingo;If 2 doodz spread the candidiasis while spreading the AIDs 1766447;1515349225;mircea_popescu;the moment the "oh, it's a GOAL", oh, "it's above mere people", oh, it's a "Corporation", you got the rot. 1766448;1515349253;asciilifeform;once instead of '2 d00dz' it's an 'institution' , it gets chair-warmers, diversirasts, whole shebang 1766449;1515349261;mircea_popescu;quite. 1766450;1515349271;mircea_popescu;hump of bell curve may come, but only on knees and naked. 1766451;1515349284;mircea_popescu;hump of bell curve may not come on own terms. or even have terms. 1766452;1515349320;mircea_popescu;which is what the whole "no franchise" thing is all about. 1766453;1515349403;mircea_popescu;(btw, film's totally worth watching. here, trailer : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX2vr3Qfrpg ) 1766454;1515349634;*;asciilifeform watched ^ just nao on a box with 0 audio... interesting 1766455;1515349647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you're curious, by the way, the origin of the "corporatization" so to speak is that ancient trick from, if i memory serves, dickens (but could be any other pulp copywriter) : that the visible boss prefers to pretend a silent partner is there disallowing the whatever, so he can have both cake and eat it too (ie, comiserate with worker but not indulge worker idiocy). 1766456;1515349666;asciilifeform;in modern usa called 'goodcop-badcop' 1766457;1515349673;mircea_popescu;from here to "we sacrificye for PARTY" is but one step, and it's idiotic step. soviet worked when sacrificed for lenin, for trotsky, for stalin. failed when sacrificed "For party" 1766458;1515349678;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite. 1766459;1515349690;asciilifeform;there was also an old mircea_popescu article about 'grifters' 1766460;1515349705;mircea_popescu;have the fucking decency to die for another man, not for an imaginary tootpick. a life shouldbe worth at least that much. 1766461;1515349733;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/ << here, i think, it is 1766462;1515349792;asciilifeform;'Irrespective of you, entirely and in all respects, what will happen is that you will meet a grifter and have a child, and that child will be disaster. Pain, sadness, hunger, death and human suffering of proportions strictly commensurate to your "drive", to your "ambition", to the clarity of your "vision" and the purity of your intentions. And we won't care. Nobody will care. You will be remembered as that shill that delivered the pe 1766463;1515349792;asciilifeform;ople who trusted you, the people that loved you, to some grifter or other. You will be remembered as Adonis-number.' 1766464;1515350037;asciilifeform;re 'die for stalin', incidentally, oblig : http://www.great-country.ru/rubrika_myths/stalin/00002.html 1766465;1515350047;asciilifeform;^ linked for the pics. 1766466;1515350228;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, http://rusdemotivator.ru/uploads/posts/2010-06/1275904553_40960_oni-umirali-za-rodinu-za-stalina.jpg << 'they died 'for motherland, for stalin'. but we - we die from dope and drink.' 1766467;1515353993;mircea_popescu;heh. 1766468;1515354093;mircea_popescu;dat fucking impossible cannon 1766469;1515354372;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is this like the trench warfare pantsuit / respectable man discussing the important (for inca) matter of whether there was or there was not personal loyalty involved in the victory in europe ? 1766470;1515354484;mircea_popescu;"war was not won at stalingrad but in sicily" or somesuch nonsense, not by stalin's organon but by bletchley park retcon ? 1766471;1515354667;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2017 Statement 1766472;1515354713;mircea_popescu;^ sorry, original had wrong title ; apeloyee pointed out. 1766473;1515354774;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766238 << this is a lot like "oh, handjob-appropriate tools, we have these leftower early sewing machines". no thanks. if i can't edit by hand it's a binary format.i want source. 1766474;1515354774;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 14:27 asciilifeform: ( it was designed as a general-purpose 'self-describing data' -ikr? - horror , and idea was that it would be edited ~with appropriate tools~ - which unsurprisingly never were invented ) 1766475;1515354831;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766245 << certainly, by the time you're open to strep... 1766476;1515354831;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 14:35 asciilifeform: if yer ancien regime is vulnerable to revolution, it's rotten. 1766477;1515354904;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766248 << sadly the author not here to explain ; the view would be sustainable if one could unearth any portion where he unambiguously refers to the proposed other kind of individualist. 1766478;1515354904;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 14:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism' 1766479;1515355168;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else. 1766480;1515355168;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 14:47 asciilifeform: imho it is an unappealing and uninteresting pov 1766481;1515355296;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766253 << same reason to do anything at all if we can't hope to overturn bitcoin. what, i'm going to invent periodic numeration systems now so various moderntards can feel euclid ? the idiocy pioneered by pantsuit "computer science" is an absces not a species. it shan't spread to other parts of human culture nor will it manage to hold on to computing, innovation-for-tyhe-sake-of-inca-distrib 1766482;1515355296;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 14:47 asciilifeform: why do anything at all if 'we cannot hope to beat the old greeks' say. 1766483;1515355296;mircea_popescu;uting-innovator-medals-in-lieu-of-meal-tickets doth not belong. anywhere. 1766484;1515355582;mircea_popescu;you will never fucking reinvent infinitesimal calculus. for one thing, it's fine as it is (you fuck with it, it get heavy, and you still no hit largest side of barn), and for the other fuck you and your psychological needs. you were born late rather than early, if you don't like it should have been born earlier. invent something else or don't, either way. 1766485;1515355845;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766214 should prolly be in here in original, ie : "In most other language communities, having your ideas rejected is no big deal, because you can come up with another one at little extra cost, but if you spent a year designing something super-clever that you really like and which you have used for a long time seeing it trashed viciously (because you refuse to back down and get increasingly h 1766486;1515355845;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 09:02 mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- that the "open source" nonsense was made for new jersey and vice-versa (no, it's NOT TRUE "anyone can contribute", holy shit already, what sort of crapsack world is this to be!), that fare is an immature bitchlet has nothing to do with lone programmers, nor with fucking professionalism. 1766487;1515355845;mircea_popescu;ostile to those who simply did not like your idea to begin with) may be too much for some brittle egos [...] while the Scheme community encourages people to go off and implement their _own_ Scheme, the Common Lisp standard is so big and mature that those who want to reinvent the wheel, or at least a portion of the wheel (like an Arc :), usually fail miserably." 1766488;1515355886;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766473 << i can't speak for mircea_popescu , but i have never edited a file 'by hand' , a la http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 1766489;1515355886;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 19:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766238 << this is a lot like "oh, handjob-appropriate tools, we have these leftower early sewing machines". no thanks. if i can't edit by hand it's a binary format.i want source. 1766490;1515355886;a111;Logged on 2014-04-25 20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg 1766491;1515355890;asciilifeform;only ever with machine. 1766492;1515355910;asciilifeform;sounds like plaintextism 1766493;1515355961;trinque;what's the story behind pic btw? guy cut the cable, bit to "read" morse by mouth-shock? 1766494;1515355967;mircea_popescu;the ~NECESSARY~ correlate of "don't say faggot, so the dumb that are also gay do not feel excluded" ; "don't say stuff like http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/ lest you discourage the dumb bulk of womanhood from participating" etc is that EVENTUALLY you will come to "change the language every third year so as not to discourage the dumb from inventing" 1766495;1515355969;mircea_popescu;and this is madness. 1766496;1515356000;asciilifeform;trinque: legend was that germans cut it. and d00d was sent to fix it, but was shot, and as he bled out he put it in his teeth so as to clamp it in death. 1766497;1515356012;trinque;nb 1766498;1515356016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that machine is to be an enhancement not a substitute. 1766499;1515356020;asciilifeform;trinque: it's a story. 1766500;1515356020;mircea_popescu;no fucking dwim. 1766501;1515356054;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is not a very high bar 1766502;1515356067;mircea_popescu;it's what plaintext got redefined to mean. 1766503;1515356084;mircea_popescu;you'll have to excuse me while i make snese of what's actually left under this lid. so far -- not even a proper word for it. 1766504;1515356115;asciilifeform;can i persuade mircea_popescu into writing an essay 1766505;1515356120;asciilifeform;subj really calls for one 1766506;1515356123;mircea_popescu;but when i have to tell the machine ~what I want~, as opposed to ~what the world is~, we're lost for sanity. 1766507;1515356135;mircea_popescu;machine has no relation to the world outside of my mercy. 1766508;1515356137;asciilifeform;aha 1766509;1515356142;asciilifeform;how would it 1766510;1515356148;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform take an apple, see HOW. 1766511;1515356153;mircea_popescu;it KNOWS whart fucking power plug it wants. 1766512;1515356164;mircea_popescu;anyway, essay eventually but not nearly there yet. 1766513;1515356181;asciilifeform;i suspect mircea_popescu nailed the orig problem in the old article where 'and then they began to began to imagine that the machines are alive' 1766514;1515356191;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1766515;1515356191;asciilifeform;or sumthinglikethat 1766516;1515356228;mircea_popescu;the problem essentially is that there's two kinds of people, one of which wants to be relieved of the burden of thought ; for which purpose they invented the jap before they invented microsoft word. 1766517;1515356247;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766477 << it's considerably moartragic in light of naggum's biography. he went to usa as a young man because he heard there were individualists there , and joined an aynrand cult , and burned out, came back 1766518;1515356247;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 19:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766248 << sadly the author not here to explain ; the view would be sustainable if one could unearth any portion where he unambiguously refers to the proposed other kind of individualist. 1766519;1515356276;mircea_popescu;(jap = jewish american princess, this mythical beast that wants to marry you and once she does you will never have to make a decision ever again) 1766520;1515356290;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766479 << past is where the items to be learned from live, even if the world were just a week old; so in that sense how could thinking 1766521;1515356290;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 19:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else. 1766522;1515356298;asciilifeform;... man NOT 'privilege past' 1766523;1515356300;mircea_popescu;YES! 1766524;1515356318;mircea_popescu;there's no magic number as to WHICH past. but in point of fact past is all there is. 1766525;1515356333;asciilifeform;the unfortunate bit is that nobody can move ~into~ past. 1766526;1515356345;asciilifeform;future is where people are stuck moving to. 1766527;1515356375;mircea_popescu;sure. im not even persuaded this is any kind of unfortunate. 1766528;1515356385;asciilifeform;( the supurious concretization of 'future' i suspect is a root philosophical ill of 20th c, like the humanization of computer ) 1766529;1515356403;mircea_popescu;and the humanization of the pleb. 1766530;1515356403;asciilifeform;*spurious 1766531;1515356413;mircea_popescu;and so on. yes, reification is the (forced, sure, but still) mistake of the drowning. 1766532;1515356418;asciilifeform;right, but that one's sorta obvious 1766533;1515356421;mircea_popescu;"so many concepts, let's pretend some are our friends" 1766534;1515356427;asciilifeform;the subtle mistakes are the moar lethal. 1766535;1515356532;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766484 << cauchy 'reinvented', neh 1766536;1515356532;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 20:06 mircea_popescu: you will never fucking reinvent infinitesimal calculus. for one thing, it's fine as it is (you fuck with it, it get heavy, and you still no hit largest side of barn), and for the other fuck you and your psychological needs. you were born late rather than early, if you don't like it should have been born earlier. invent something else or don't, either way. 1766537;1515356607;asciilifeform;but no, nobody gets to reinvent in the idjit-schoolboy-dreams sense of 'and then they forgot how to do it and i Show Them and Become Newton' or whichever 1766538;1515356638;asciilifeform;( and when this actually happens, it is as part of a great catastrophe , not something to be cheered ) 1766539;1515356726;mircea_popescu;quite. 1766540;1515356749;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766487 << one of the recurring motifs in the naggum threads is the scheme thing. scheme got stuck in its development (politically, rather than technically, it got orphaned and lacked a mircea_popescu at a critical time in its gestation ) and ended up in the hands of 'perfect circles' people 1766541;1515356749;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 20:10 mircea_popescu: ostile to those who simply did not like your idea to begin with) may be too much for some brittle egos [...] while the Scheme community encourages people to go off and implement their _own_ Scheme, the Common Lisp standard is so big and mature that those who want to reinvent the wheel, or at least a portion of the wheel (like an Arc :), usually fail miserably." 1766542;1515356811;mircea_popescu;there's this observation that "the dumb woman's ideal is to live in K-selected society so there's no infibulation or tit pounding ; but that then she personally defects to pursue r-selection". this may or may not be true as applied, but it exists as a trope, the forever wank of the insufficient, be it a dumb woman, a dysfunctional adolescent (the neil simon type, that then "goes to city and becomes his TRUE SELF writing for n 1766543;1515356811;mircea_popescu;yt") etcetera all share it : "what if magically" etc. 1766544;1515356816;asciilifeform;( there are salvageable organs in the scheme corpse. but there is not imho a usable per-se schemetron. ) 1766545;1515356849;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's his issue with gat anyway, i always thought he was one of the more level headed mid generation lisper folk. 1766546;1515356886;asciilifeform;gatt (renamed himself, today garrett ) wrote a large pile of 'lisp is dead, woe is me, once there were things but never again' 'emo' screeds on comp.lang.lisp 1766547;1515356902;mircea_popescu;the jet propulsion lab fellow ? 1766548;1515356904;asciilifeform;him 1766549;1515356934;asciilifeform;to which naggum , not surprisingly , answered 'shuddup bitch, i am making money with payware lisps, my systems work, go be emo chick somewhere else' 1766550;1515356935;mircea_popescu;he also wrote a lisp-is-faster-than-c item back in the days the microsoft hired hands were pissing all over o'reilly&marc "my middle name is cocksucker" andressen's java 1766551;1515356981;asciilifeform;gatt started out presiding over a usg laboratory where spacecraft ran lisps, worked properly, etc. 1766552;1515356990;asciilifeform;then item went to shit, for general usgification 1990s reasons 1766553;1515356994;asciilifeform;and he lost his marbles. 1766554;1515357000;asciilifeform;( or so is asciilifeform's picture . ) 1766555;1515357015;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1766556;1515357047;mircea_popescu;http://www.flownet.com/gat/papers/lisp-java.pdf << item, if anyone's curious. 1766557;1515357055;mircea_popescu;(this being 2000, seems to contradict the theory ?) 1766558;1515357078;asciilifeform;1990s didn't really end till 2001 , lol 1766559;1515357087;asciilifeform;sept. 11, 2001 1766560;1515357102;asciilifeform;sorta how american '1960s' ended in '74 1766561;1515357103;mircea_popescu;so all that happened in one year ? 1766562;1515357124;asciilifeform;phase transition, of sorts. 1766563;1515357126;*;mircea_popescu goes fishing into documents. 1766564;1515357162;asciilifeform;http://www.flownet.com/ron << d00d . 1766565;1515357189;asciilifeform;http://www.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html << the most well-known piece by gatt/garrett , 'lisping at jpl' 1766566;1515357191;mircea_popescu;https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242228166365080@naggum.no.html << sample eggregious piece ; dated 2002 so i guess the theory here is gat got depressed cca 2001 pissed off naggum who didn't know how to express self better ? 1766567;1515357217;asciilifeform;that was the picture i got. largely from the c.l.l articles. 1766568;1515357238;mircea_popescu;ican see it. 1766569;1515357298;asciilifeform;( all i got is archaeology, i wasn't there; never met anybody who was there , only have the shards of the old pots. ) 1766570;1515357358;mircea_popescu;i'll confess i'm not very impressed with the nonsense. it's one thing to flame some idiot into the ground, but it's not clear to me gat/garrett met the criteria.\ 1766571;1515357526;asciilifeform;they go way back. e.g. https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html 1766572;1515357541;asciilifeform;gatt habitually showed symptoms of pantsuitism 1766573;1515357558;asciilifeform;usually in short bursts , like in ^example 1766574;1515357579;mircea_popescu;"since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is “help”, “be positive”. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags." << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766301 not even terrible ; anyone know how ti invite the dood ? 1766575;1515357579;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 16:41 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other oddities, http://www.xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/pd.html 1766576;1515357617;mircea_popescu;(amusingly, if you ask the last years' crop of retards, "things were always that way". perhaps because their inumerate mothers went to yoga classes in the same 1974s and drank smothies) 1766577;1515357638;asciilifeform;the sad thing is that he doesn't seem to have any obvious means of contact 1766578;1515357643;asciilifeform;walled himself up. 1766579;1515357655;mircea_popescu;well, then it's his job to invite himself. 1766580;1515357657;asciilifeform;i've looked for how to get him before. 1766581;1515357666;asciilifeform;aha 1766582;1515357681;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't see how the linked item supports the theory. 1766583;1515357687;asciilifeform;seems to have a twatter , http://www.xahlee.org/subscribe.html 1766584;1515357706;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the one with 'but they'll be destitute' ? 1766585;1515357706;mircea_popescu;in point of fact that's exactly how it works : if you convince the smart folk to be separate and you unite the monkeys into one "state", then yes you get the size disparity problem. 1766586;1515357721;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking idea of republic is to meaningfully unite the smart and destroy the fakeout "unity" of the monkeys. 1766587;1515357732;asciilifeform;tru 1766588;1515357733;mircea_popescu;let the monkeys negotiate from this position where they have to explain themselves to my standard. 1766589;1515357747;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider the following situation : something happens. 1766590;1515357759;mircea_popescu;for convenience, let's say it's a big deal. no need to specify what. 1766591;1515357768;*;asciilifeform supposes 1766592;1515357814;mircea_popescu;can you picture the hordes of tv watchers gathering me up and setting up a spectacle (like those inane 1980s lassie-in-court tv productions) whereby some pompous douche ("a judge!!11") asks me to... explain... what happened ? 1766593;1515357831;mircea_popescu;bitch, i'm not explaining jack shit to you. YOU fucking explain to me how exactly you ended up with all this crap. 1766594;1515357854;asciilifeform;waitasec since when does judge 'explain' 1766595;1515357861;mircea_popescu;quite the fucking point. 1766596;1515357907;mircea_popescu;who explains events to whom is the entire construct here. let the dumb explain their dumbness to me. 1766597;1515357908;asciilifeform;sometimes i wonder if it's actually mircea_popescu working without gloves on the hot smoking factory floor of the insane asylum, and asciilifeform somehow is the one looking down from dirigible 1766598;1515357916;asciilifeform;i dun have nearly enuff contact with the tv insanity 1766599;1515357930;mircea_popescu;fine, take a different tack. 1766600;1515357951;mircea_popescu;you drive, "cop" gets in the way. does cop explain to you why he got in the way or does cop expect you to explain what it was you were doing to him ? 1766601;1515358040;mircea_popescu;let the ~actual~ 15yos be in the position where they have to explain themselves, and receive in exchange clarifications of the rules and punishments as appropriate. 1766602;1515358088;asciilifeform;oddly enuff it is cop who 'explains', 'от имени Союза Советских Социалистических Республик , i now get in your way , for your having exceeded 10 times the speed of an unladen snail on this tuesday...' 1766603;1515358112;mircea_popescu;that explanation doesn't cut it. 1766604;1515358114;mircea_popescu;let him try again. 1766605;1515358138;mircea_popescu;what did you think explanation is, lmao. to MY STANDARD. 1766606;1515358143;asciilifeform;when you drive over a hole, it also doesn't usually speak and explain why it decided to be a hole 1766607;1515358157;mircea_popescu;and for this failure it gets punished out of existence. 1766608;1515358161;asciilifeform;aha 1766609;1515358172;asciilifeform;same item. asphalteur truck just hasn't come yet. 1766610;1515358195;mircea_popescu;so i think the correct working of the system is well understood. similarily, that this system is not implemented correctly is also obvious. in this context, gat's one liner is perfectly sensible, what's the problem with it ? 1766611;1515358214;mircea_popescu;the reason smart people condescend to use bad tools is because they have no others. why do we use gnat or gcc ? 1766612;1515358225;mircea_popescu;same reason, gat smiles. "it's because the alternative is..." 1766613;1515358250;asciilifeform;https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3147630043965732@naggum.no.html << moar echoes . possibly today no one will even be able to say , for a fact, wat. 1766614;1515358374;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently there was also some private acrymony. anyway, the piece reads like the flailing of pantsuit flavours. 1766615;1515358415;mircea_popescu;a) germany won ww2, which is why us is trying to be alt-germany not alt-britain ; and why hitlers' goals (anihilation of british empire) were delivered upon ; b) the war was by very far the best thing that couldf ever have happened to russians, as individual people. 1766616;1515358426;mircea_popescu;without ww2, russia would be kazahstan. 1766617;1515358696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, i can't miss that for someone who read and traveled and so on as you say, naggum has a lot of trouble destructuring nubbinisms. 1766618;1515358853;mircea_popescu;that aside, there's a different serious problem : "Joseph Goebbels were _not_ concerned with propaganda towards the Jews. this is an historical fact." is what he says, but he says this in the exact manner of the man he otherplaces despises, "who forms a knowledge without having had the curiosity to study". the reason i even wrote http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ is ~specifically because~ there's a lot of similar ignoramuses 1766619;1515358853;mircea_popescu;with similar "historical fact". it's in no sense factual, goebbels' jewel, and the item for which he worked his ass off, has jew right in the fucking title. 1766620;1515358874;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the remarkable poverty of reference, i'd like at least for the few popitems he uses to be at the fucking least correct! 1766621;1515358938;mircea_popescu;it's true that hitler was a bit of a literalist, and kept liking these barely-cinematic mechanicist pieces of nonsense ; but that doesn't make the opposition stand like he tries to make it stand. 1766622;1515359268;diana_coman;!!key Ente_ 1766623;1515359269;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5FD302D8A5B3832F925BA58D55E8EAC92F0CFC0D.asc 1766624;1515359461;asciilifeform;i was waiting for mircea_popescu to notice the bigger oddity 1766625;1515359516;asciilifeform;or hm, nm, the 'last movie' is not 'suss' ( which is circa '40) 1766626;1515359536;asciilifeform;naggum was speaking of 'kolberg' prolly. 1766627;1515359671;mircea_popescu;prolly... but... 1766628;1515359724;mircea_popescu;suss was exactly 1940. and the hell goebbels had to go through to get the cast (they were famous actors, and more interested in hollywood bux than anything) is a very fine entry point for one to understand just how weak and circumstantial the reich was, and just how much accident and fortune played into the good doctor's work 1766629;1515359731;mircea_popescu;no, newton did not sit down to hate the jews. 1766630;1515360228;mircea_popescu;and i find it superlatively dubious that "i have made a study" relies on having reviewed no original materials but read chomsky's as cliffnotes. this is no way to get anywhere, and i suspect a large portion of chomsky detractors are actually almost-intelligent folk who tried to use him in this manner, got hurt in the process, and decided to assign blame, if possible to the tool they misused. chomsky is fine, but not if you're 1766631;1515360228;mircea_popescu; going to do this 12yo inane shit sorta thing. 1766632;1515360291;mircea_popescu;you want to "study goebbels", you're going to review a lot of old celluloid reel, read journals, stuff like that. there's no substitute, wut. 1766633;1515360325;asciilifeform;i'd be surprised if 'no original' , given the comment re 'I found was that (1) a whole bunch of nutcases thought that only neo-Nazis could be interested in Joseph Goebbels' works and movies...' 1766634;1515360333;asciilifeform;prolly he did go and excavate reels. 1766635;1515360360;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1766636;1515360362;asciilifeform;from beneath a tall pile of chomsky & other modernolade. 1766637;1515360406;mircea_popescu;anyway, i think proposing goebbels is a sort of ziggler-skinner is dismissive to the man. 1766638;1515360480;mircea_popescu;usual anachronism, "this toe sock works great as a soup starter so that's what it was". not THEN it wasn't lel. then it was a complicated thing. such as for isntance, a desire of the new socialist strep to make "culture just as good" as the guys they were trying to replace, landeschnekt and ritters dominating the army. 1766639;1515360517;mircea_popescu;hitler blabbering about how the army betrayed him and shoulda killed them all like stalin (really, it was earlier than stalin time, but you can't say "like trotsky" can you now) is exactly a fruit off of this. 1766640;1515360573;mircea_popescu;bluster and pretense aside, the original socialists were never all that secure in their "reich". at all points coulda ran into some republic and be spulberati off the flow of history exactly like the pantsuit in 2016. 1766641;1515360619;asciilifeform;eh this is rather like 'at all points aids patient could grow white cells again and then fungus will die ' 1766642;1515360624;mircea_popescu;(no good equiv to ro "spulbera", it's built out of powder with the italian s' device (svenuto, sfortunato etc) to denote that which wind does to dust and power to incosequentialness) 1766643;1515360662;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: распылить 1766644;1515360671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is entirely no difference between usg pantsuit cca 2015 and germany nazi cca 1933. 1766645;1515360681;mircea_popescu;one didn't make the hitler chancellor ; the other did. it's all. 1766646;1515360685;asciilifeform;( tho in modern parlance tends to be applied to paint, and other items that get literally sprayed using air ) 1766647;1515360710;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform acceptabru. 1766648;1515360786;asciilifeform;and all sudden reichs get built, in lenin's words , 'not from new brick but from the smashed planks of the old shithouse' or how did it go. 1766649;1515360797;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1766650;1515360820;mircea_popescu;in any case, the history of interwar germany is interesting as a topic of study, rather than a topic of conversational macguffins. 1766651;1515360856;mircea_popescu;"oh if some fucktard who thinks he's a jew because his mother's an idiot says he is holocaustoffended ima say i studied goebbels!!1". wtf already. 1766652;1515360972;mircea_popescu;moreover this whole "oh germany was starving"... dude, it's the 40s. new york was fucking starving, gimme a break. who wasn't starving ? 1766653;1515360998;mircea_popescu;!~google pancasera manwantara 1766654;1515360999;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Pancasera manvantara [1351 [B. S.] 1944] | Endangered Archives ...: ; Pancasera manvantara [1351 [B. S.] 1944] | Endangered Archives ...: ; Rashtra samgrama o pancasera manvantara : Amazon.co.uk ...: 1766655;1515361061;mircea_popescu;and don't tell me "hey, it's only british empire when we want to pretend like largest in history, it's really its own thing at all other points", ima barf. 1766656;1515361118;asciilifeform;wassis 1766657;1515361124;mircea_popescu;bengal famine. 1766658;1515361126;asciilifeform;aaa 1766659;1515361147;asciilifeform;famine is as part of india as rivers of shit, neh 1766660;1515361154;mircea_popescu;AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 1766661;1515361189;mircea_popescu;1940, kids were malnourished all over the world, the pretense that germany somehow stood out at any point is ridiculous. 1766662;1515361220;asciilifeform;( famine really goes with agrarianism , iron law , on account of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766429 . it's what their 'boom/bust cycle' loox like. ) 1766663;1515361220;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 18:15 mircea_popescu: there is nothing necessary about this cycle of wasteful idiocy. beat your swedish civilised wife whenever she deos the dumb. 1766664;1515361234;mircea_popescu;rather. 1766665;1515361251;mircea_popescu;and ESPECIALLY it goes with industrialization, which is to say,attempting to break out of it. 1766666;1515361274;asciilifeform;aha i think we had this thread 1766667;1515361285;mircea_popescu;the british don't really want to talk about the great potato famine ; and the usg likes to pretend the irish that ran off to new york didn't go through the exact same wringer. 1766668;1515361294;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, there comes a time when the poor will be rendered for fat. it's what it is. 1766669;1515361314;asciilifeform;the notable bit is that the brits used same exact recipe as stalin later 1766670;1515361322;asciilifeform;( there's ~1 recipe ) 1766671;1515361325;mircea_popescu;as if there's a set of recipes to choose from or what ? 1766672;1515361326;mircea_popescu;right. 1766673;1515361384;mircea_popescu;anyway, but as to the matter at hand, they had a falling out over holocaust social game proper rules!!1 1766674;1515361386;mircea_popescu;wutevers. 1766675;1515362141;mircea_popescu;ahaha this is epic. josling : " Searching the sgml bib for your name produces 0 hits..." ; naggum : "Why make such a fool of yourself annoying people on purpose? What is /wrong/ with you? http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/biblio.html" ; we dutifully go check and indeed, grep of that page returns 0 naggums. 1766676;1515362167;mircea_popescu;turns out josling was right ? moreover, even if it HAD returned some naggums... what degree of fool had josling made self ? 1766677;1515362214;mircea_popescu;from naggum's own self-characterization, he was a not-particularily-wanted epicycle in the whole sgml thing. am i missing something ? 1766678;1515362372;mircea_popescu;(this, for the record, was a 60yo at the time stanford guy. "You clearly are clueless and are not at all ashamed to demonstrate it." wrong putdown, seriously now.) 1766679;1515362464;asciilifeform;y'know , it so happens that asciilifeform was bored the other night, and ended up walking into the #1 pantsuit-themed b00kshop in the city , and saw a , whaddayaknow, a 'history of bitcoin' , and guess who mentioned in it 0 times... 1766680;1515362475;mircea_popescu;any actual history ? 1766681;1515362494;mircea_popescu;but note that i don't give anyone the address to said bookshop if they seem confused as to who they're talking to. 1766682;1515362517;asciilifeform;written by either shilbert or similar ( i fughet who ) , so lotta 'we pushed the sun uphill' 'history' mostly 1766683;1515362670;asciilifeform;http://xml.coverpages.org/rcdataCTS1.html << there's a naggum for mircea_popescu . 1766684;1515362676;asciilifeform;so not '0 hits' 1766685;1515362684;asciilifeform;i suspect that the search at one time worked. 1766686;1515362706;asciilifeform;( http://www.oasis-open.org today points to xml.coverpages... ) 1766687;1515362758;asciilifeform;naggum was chair of 'SGML SIGhyper' , an iso subcommittee as i understand 1766688;1515362875;asciilifeform;https://www.w3.org/blog/2009/06/for-erik-naggum << see also , another pot shard. 1766689;1515362903;asciilifeform;http://xml.coverpages.org/naggumWhat.html << naggum re 'wtf is sgml'. 1766690;1515362910;asciilifeform;these will have to suffice for nao, i'ma bbl 1766691;1515363499;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the whole lulz here is that the link the man himself indicates fails to deliver./ 1766692;1515363521;mircea_popescu;i know why this is, obviously, but the important point is that this is a miserable, second hand knowledge, of ENTIRELY the same substrance as shilbert's. 1766693;1515363798;mircea_popescu;and holy shit the broken, innumerable ways to protect character from parsing... 1766694;1515364234;mircea_popescu;"What can I say? I wasted 6 years of my life on SGML and related technologies only to find that when I wanted to translate my experience and knowledge and significant grasp of this technology into a book that would teach what I had found to others, I had to look real hard at all the braindamaged things that I had been willing to sweep under the carpet and found, to my horror, that SGML, once understood, could not possibly be 1766695;1515364234;mircea_popescu; worse implemented than SGML itself" << man spends six years trying to do useful work in non-#trilema world, discovers at the end of it all that no, his toaster can not be used to toast his own breakfast, thanks for playing, do come again. 1766696;1515364249;mircea_popescu;should prolly be carved on graves. 1766697;1515367998;deedbot;mats: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JvVSB/?raw=true 1766698;1515368267;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751998 << to followup on this, the decision is to negrate RagnarDanneskjol for utterly wasting my time with his nonsense. 1766699;1515368267;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 16:55 mircea_popescu: alright. that concludes this first phase, which you've survived. im guessing a decision will fall in about two weeks, i'll notify you by name here in either case. you can see it by looking for http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+%22robbinhood%22 1766700;1515368286;mircea_popescu;!!rate RagnarDanneskjol -1 timewaster. 1766701;1515368288;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pfTJt/?raw=true 1766702;1515370076;asciilifeform;who even was that 1766703;1515370090;*;asciilifeform digs in l0gz 1766704;1515370107;asciilifeform;aa 'china' 1766705;1515370151;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766691 << it's not wholly unlike the old mpex.xyz dnsolade that today points to 'buy cardanocoin NAO!' etc 1766706;1515370151;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 22:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole lulz here is that the link the man himself indicates fails to deliver./ 1766707;1515370194;*;asciilifeform looks at the corpse of bitbet, with some suprise finds that it does not ~yet~ contain one of these 1766708;1515370258;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658672 << example of subj ) 1766709;1515370258;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 20:25 jurov: wtf http://mpex.co/history_of_bitcoin_stock_exchanges.html 1766710;1515370266;mircea_popescu;lel 1766711;1515370313;mircea_popescu;note that it's not me saying that ; for that matter i dun much link the vandalized mircea_popescu wikipedia page or any other such nonsense. 1766712;1515370328;asciilifeform;earlier this (?) yr, possibly it was from prod from mircea_popescu , asciilifeform removed a buncha folx from blogroll pg ... for being dead 1766713;1515370343;asciilifeform;( oddly enuff some of the dead people, have working www, and the live people -- not , go figure ) 1766714;1515370354;mircea_popescu;i did a bunch of that too, discovered that out of 10k websites, ~0 remain 1766715;1515370364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun think it was vandalized yet when naggum was alive and pointing to it 1766716;1515370367;asciilifeform;or was it 1766717;1515370376;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. 1766718;1515370399;mircea_popescu;minor lulz at the perishable nature of the hyper-tard-transfer-protocol ended up a major topic. i just snickered en passant! 1766719;1515370408;asciilifeform;me neither. archaeology is a science of the sad and destroyed. 1766720;1515370425;mircea_popescu;wasn't he working on exactly this not happening by his own account ? 1766721;1515370432;asciilifeform;and yes naggum is buried in cement partly on account of the shattering of bridge that he himself had a hand in building 1766722;1515370443;mircea_popescu;aha. 1766723;1515370448;asciilifeform;this was more or less always part of the tragedy of the d00d 1766724;1515370672;asciilifeform;upstack : iirc nelson wanted a perma-storage-net . in 1970 . to this day we dun have it, because -- apparently -- too expensive ? or how else to explain that folx still whine from having to store 1(decimal-)MB per 10min 1766725;1515370685;mircea_popescu;anyway, the principal problem is that he's not very good at arguing ; neither from a helping the preopinent nor from a produce useful record perspective. these are the two principal goals of conversation, i can scarcely imagine a third. 1766726;1515370716;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fundamental problem is that only the elite have any use for history ; the plebs generally want a "start over tomorrow" world. 1766727;1515370722;asciilifeform;they sure do. 1766728;1515370745;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514935 << see also 1766729;1515370745;a111;Logged on 2016-08-04 19:59 mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation. 1766730;1515370783;mircea_popescu;indeed the zek paradise is very much that "loose shoes and warm place to shit in" historical african's paradise : if they could pick up a new woman every night and she'd be gone after cooking lunch every day ; if they had to drive to a new place to start work every monday ; if there was always a new beer in the cafeteria and a new show on tv with a new identical blondy lead... scl 1766731;1515370807;asciilifeform;not convinced of this. zek is also very much creature of habit 1766732;1515370813;asciilifeform;the new beer has to be substantially old. 1766733;1515370819;mircea_popescu;yes, but structural repetition with "novel" form. 1766734;1515370823;mircea_popescu;same blondy, new blondy. 1766735;1515370823;trinque;the "born again in cheesus christ" thing points right to it 1766736;1515370827;asciilifeform;oldwine in newbottle aha 1766737;1515370843;mircea_popescu;hence all the "revolution" bs. o really, revolution in programming ? 1766738;1515370845;asciilifeform;trinque: afaik that's generally a 1shot thing, neh 1766739;1515370854;mircea_popescu;nah, can do it every other weekend 1766740;1515370857;trinque;grants magical perpetual reborning 1766741;1515370857;mircea_popescu;many churchlets. 1766742;1515370859;asciilifeform;but do they ? 1766743;1515370867;trinque;that's what the nightly sorries are about 1766744;1515370867;mircea_popescu;i dunno. maybe. they do host "revivals" as a rthing 1766745;1515370894;asciilifeform;i thought that was an empty token tho 1766746;1515370899;mircea_popescu;aaanyways, in other lulz, poor shop here in poor quarter, "se reparan zapatos ; clinica de ropa ; jesu christo vive." 1766747;1515370917;asciilifeform;lol clinica de ropa 1766748;1515370933;mircea_popescu;term of art here 1766749;1515370951;asciilifeform;sooo it's true, the fungus is eating ye olde catholistans ? 1766750;1515370972;mircea_popescu;the catholocism-in-orclang IS the fungus to begin with. 1766751;1515370993;asciilifeform;asciilifeform lives in a 'spanish' part of town , and was quite surprised to learn that most of the folx on his street go yes to church but no not to catholic church 1766752;1515371035;asciilifeform;re orclang , that's when it fell down neh. 1766753;1515371041;asciilifeform;'70s 1766754;1515371041;mircea_popescu;just about. 1766755;1515371047;mircea_popescu;you mean 1270s ? 1766756;1515371051;asciilifeform;vatican2 1766757;1515371054;asciilifeform;1970s 1766758;1515371076;mircea_popescu;sometime between the two 1766759;1515371168;shinohai;Most of the dumb Indian hispanics from Central America around here go to evangelical churches, Mexis the majority Catholic here. 1766760;1515371416;mircea_popescu;anyway, more generally, the idea that "the people" are some sort of thing, and to be catered to, IS the fungus. 1766761;1515371683;*;asciilifeform still not certain that anybody actually believes in 'thepeople' , rather than pretending to 1766762;1515371715;asciilifeform;it's a mirage , like the other one touched on today, the concrete-thefuture 1766763;1515371724;mircea_popescu;distinction without a difference ; do children believe in nightmares or merely pretend to, or merely the misfunctioning of their undeveloped brain conflates two things ? 1766764;1515371735;asciilifeform;nfi 1766765;1515371743;mircea_popescu;nor will we find out , nor will it matter. 1766766;1515371826;asciilifeform;right after we find out how many, after all, angels fit on the pin. 1766767;1515372181;ben_vulpes;unrelated to anything, i recently had the most amusing experience with a "bitcoin cash" wallet where it *insisted* on creating a zero-satoshi output. 1766768;1515372267;shinohai;lol ben_vulpes which wallet was it? 1766769;1515372281;ben_vulpes;"electron cash" 1766770;1515372312;ben_vulpes;shoulda been the simplest possible transaction in the world, one output summing to the value of all wallet inputs less explicityly set miner fee. 1766771;1515372325;ben_vulpes;it's what, 2018, and the people pushing altcoins are still struggling with arithmetic. 1766772;1515372348;mircea_popescu;hard to fix anything by copy-pasting ancient windows ware. 1766773;1515372385;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: do you remember the article where you said something like "or the entrepreneurs will win and then there will be a decade of hedge funds making a killing on the opaque altcorn market before we kill them all slowly"? 1766774;1515372431;mircea_popescu;yes. linked recently, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#selection-117.0-117.160 1766775;1515372458;ben_vulpes;tyyyyy 1766776;1515372465;mircea_popescu;my pleasure. 1766777;1515372603;mircea_popescu;this "emacs / xemacs reconciliation" is a tiresome painful fucking read. why the fuck would anyone consider merging xt in emacs ?! what is wrong with these people. 1766778;1515372628;asciilifeform;xt? 1766779;1515372643;mircea_popescu;i gather it to be the x toolkit thingee ? 1766780;1515372676;mircea_popescu;like qt pre qt, i guess. 1766781;1515372708;*;asciilifeform tried to use it eons ago, barfed mightily 1766782;1515372752;asciilifeform;i think i have the book still, propping up some piece of furniture 1766783;1515372754;mircea_popescu;basically, a principled "emacs does not want or need window-decorations gtfo" out of rms would have been a lot better than his inept dithering 1766784;1515372769;mircea_popescu;what does he imagine that he gains brownie points with someone somewhere for "cooperate" ? ffs. 1766785;1515372888;asciilifeform;xemacs has 0 to do with the emacs e.g. asciilifeform today runs under x11. 1766786;1515372890;asciilifeform;0. 1766787;1515372899;asciilifeform;it's a bitcoincash of trad emacs. 1766788;1515372908;asciilifeform;i thought there was a thread re subj. 1766789;1515372919;mircea_popescu;the original discussion cca 1993 was centered around this\ 1766790;1515372928;asciilifeform;buncha derps in 1990s ran off to mikehearn emacs, back in the day. 1766791;1515372955;asciilifeform;the trad emacs worxfine under x11 , since asciilifeform was a student, and prolly before 1766792;1515372994;asciilifeform;i even have colour in it ( purely for personal enjoyment , repainted to resemble ye olde borland turbo ) 1766793;1515373042;mircea_popescu;anyway, very much systemd-"debate"-in-a-can 1766794;1515373288;asciilifeform;xemacs was actually the first systemdism i ever ran into head on 1766795;1515373298;asciilifeform;i asked 'what is this, why there are 2 emacses on this box' 1766796;1515373324;asciilifeform;brother said sumthinglike 'here's the emacs and here's the taiwan emacs' 1766797;1515373361;mircea_popescu;lol 1766798;1515373487;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/color-emacs.jpg << photo, for the curious 1766799;1515373515;mircea_popescu;my borland was thicker font 1766800;1515373520;asciilifeform;noshit 1766801;1515373537;asciilifeform;mine too, given that it lived in 80x25 and used the spiffy nonscalable vga font 1766802;1515373537;mircea_popescu;in fact, i'm generally unhappy with the thin fonts everywhere. terms and borland back in the day had touched greatness wrt glyph thickness 1766803;1515373541;asciilifeform;yes!! 1766804;1515373549;asciilifeform;i fiddled with this nonsense for ages and gave up. 1766805;1515373557;asciilifeform;living without good font even nao. 1766806;1515373582;mircea_popescu;i generally set up everything to more or less correct proportions, at terrible cost 1766807;1515373604;mircea_popescu;there's a screencap of my yahoo messenger config in this vein floating about somewhere even 1766808;1515373642;asciilifeform;i could prolly spend rest of life fighting with the font config and still not get anything as comfortable as dos font. 1766809;1515373674;asciilifeform;( tried many times to manually rasterize it to fit my display, result was always shit , perhaps my hands grow from arse, or perhaps not actually possible ) 1766810;1515373702;asciilifeform;if anybody's ever pulled it off, i'd like to hear about it. 1766811;1515373733;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575064 << thread. seealso. 1766812;1515373733;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 23:06 asciilifeform: of all the plagues discussed in this thread, i'd say fonts are the mildest, it is at this very minute quite trivial to operate a machine with 2-3 fonts installed , with ~0 surgery 1766813;1515373754;asciilifeform;err,http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575068 1766814;1515373754;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 23:08 asciilifeform: incidentally 'scalable font' technology was imho a failure: 1766815;1515374340;asciilifeform;imho lispm font was also notbad , https://www.ifis.uni-luebeck.de/~moeller/symbolics-info/development-environment/debugger.gif 1766816;1515374364;asciilifeform;but again cannot be made to look proper on arbitrary display. 1766817;1515374378;mircea_popescu;meh, too thin and sans. 1766818;1515374394;asciilifeform;i prefer the classic vga fat chars also. 1766819;1515374420;mircea_popescu; https://winworldpc.com/res/img/screenshots/20-cb5d8e11ea5ade2ec05bb6c76ff7895d-Borland%20CPP%202.0%20-%20About.png < item 1766820;1515374434;asciilifeform;aha iet 1766821;1515374435;asciilifeform;it 1766822;1515374452;mircea_popescu;come to think of it the gold on blue worked well too 1766823;1515374453;asciilifeform;nuffin to do with borland per se tho, it's the standard vga 80x25 font 1766824;1515374458;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1766825;1515374521;asciilifeform;https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist << turned up this. prolly moar than anybody cares to know re subj. 1766826;1515374757;mircea_popescu;i can;t fucking believe jwz and daveg are seriously discussing doubleclicking wiuth the spacebar 1766827;1515374762;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is wrong with people. 1766828;1515374764;asciilifeform;waiwaat 1766829;1515374765;asciilifeform;where 1766830;1515374811;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/apJyi#selection-8223.1-8223.153 1766831;1515374828;asciilifeform;nuts. 1766832;1515374847;mircea_popescu;basically, technocucks so fucking petrified of their emotions and the structure of power, they will retreat into bikeshedding as a comfortable substitute for sanity. 1766833;1515374889;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, before you reinvent the wheel you should read the other things other people did before" "motherfucking hell what if I CAN NOT READ THESE PEOPLE!" 1766834;1515374931;asciilifeform;these people have about as much to do with the actual history of Things People Did Before (tm) as the bird shit on the hood of my car has with the engine. 1766835;1515374946;mircea_popescu;really, you're striking david gillespie ? 1766836;1515374957;asciilifeform;do i know who that is ? 1766837;1515374981;mircea_popescu;lisp guy. 1766838;1515375047;*;asciilifeform looks in ancient notes... 1766839;1515375050;mircea_popescu;cl.el etc 1766840;1515375053;asciilifeform;loox like he write some emacsola 1766841;1515375055;asciilifeform;aha 1766842;1515375071;asciilifeform;not exactly archimedes. 1766843;1515375079;asciilifeform;if not him -- next d00d would've. 1766844;1515375094;asciilifeform;iirc jwz also wrote sumthing or other. 1766845;1515375099;asciilifeform;and esr. etc 1766846;1515375112;mircea_popescu;so sgml is a flaming pile of shit, oda is a waste of paper and i even read french, what exactly are these wheels one's supposed to not reinvent ? 1766847;1515375121;asciilifeform;sexpr... 1958 1766848;1515375130;asciilifeform;pretty much last time anyffingrelevant happened. 1766849;1515375144;mircea_popescu;isn't this definitionally what naggum proposes one not do ? 1766850;1515375150;mircea_popescu;"go back to basics and start over" ? 1766851;1515375166;asciilifeform;sure is. observe where it got him. 1766852;1515375204;asciilifeform;d00d thought he lived in something like a working civilization, worth preserving, etc 1766853;1515375206;asciilifeform;turns out! 1766854;1515375234;mircea_popescu;so tell me how is pstp going to work without a gns to reference container content names ? 1766855;1515375249;asciilifeform;this is already bridge too far 1766856;1515375262;mircea_popescu;ok, tell me how an article on trilema'd look. 1766857;1515375281;asciilifeform;i expect very similar to how already loox. 1766858;1515375322;mircea_popescu;ie, html ? 1766859;1515375333;asciilifeform;i thought q was re external appearance to naked eye. 1766860;1515375336;mircea_popescu;i'm not asking how it'd be rendered, it god damn ed be rendered the same. im asking... 1766861;1515375340;asciilifeform;aa 1766862;1515375395;asciilifeform;answering this q would require having solved several fundamental problems that asciilifeform has not solved yet. 1766863;1515375423;asciilifeform;i'd read mircea_popescu's take on it. or for that matter trinque's, iirc he had one buried in a desk drawer 1766864;1515375490;mircea_popescu;lmao so after stringing along "oh, we have spent so much, we hope to still work together, tell us how" for a year, gabriel is like "Unfortunately, GNU Emacs 19 is not constructed following modern programming practice - even though there are procedural interfaces to some functionality groups, one could not say that abstraction boundaries are maintained. The mish-mash of data structures is just too clumsy and incoherent to make 1766865;1515375490;mircea_popescu; life for the maintainer easy. This is proven by the fact that Arceneaux was unable to add the extensions we needed to an early version of GNU Emacs 19 given somewhat over a year's time to do it and by the fact that it has taken you and Blandy so long to get GNU Emacs 19 out. 1766866;1515375491;mircea_popescu;We believe that the merge in the other direction is the proper way to do things, and this is the course we shall pursue. There are things that you have done to GNU Emacs 19 that are good, and we believe that the best way to proceed is to clean them up and put them in Lucid Emacs 19. Maintainability is important to us because even though GNU Emacs 19 has no warranty, we must support a warranty on our commercial product which i 1766867;1515375495;mircea_popescu;ncludes Lemacs as a component. 1766868;1515375497;mircea_popescu;I think this is not a good outcome for the Emacs user community, and I hate to have to criticize the implementation of GNU Emacs 19, but at some point clean code and good structure counts more than a false sense of parsimony, and that point has been reached." 1766869;1515375523;mircea_popescu;well thank you bitch, you ~could~ have said this a year ago and saved everyone the hassle. o wait, cuz needed to appear all humble and shit for a year to poach users / devs i see i see. 1766870;1515375533;asciilifeform;it gets worse. much worse. 1766871;1515375564;mircea_popescu;it's like watching middle class single parent 12 yos at work, mendacious manipulative little shits that imagine their nonsense is entirely opaque to anyone and everyone. 1766872;1515375691;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in ~principle~ a container could tell you what class of procedure it wants to be eaten by ; and gns could tell you which v-trees implement it. 1766873;1515375700;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu nailed this one in an old article which presently escapes me. a buncha shoemakers are missing apprentices , whole buncha streets are missing their sweepers, while the jwzs birdshit on software 1766874;1515375716;mircea_popescu;well this is richard gabriel. which... 1766875;1515375734;mircea_popescu;(original lucid guy, and other things) 1766876;1515375741;asciilifeform;aha, he is interesting case 1766877;1515375747;asciilifeform;had some sort of lisp-related nervous break 1766878;1515375753;asciilifeform;decided he is 'poet' after that. 1766879;1515375772;*;asciilifeform actually obtained and tried to read d00d's b00ks... 1766880;1515375772;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-09#1339543 1766881;1515375772;a111;Logged on 2015-12-09 11:38 mircea_popescu: http://dreamsongs.com/ <<< how to be retarded. today, richard "i don't have a name and i was born without a face, here's some salmon background" gabriel. 1766882;1515375776;asciilifeform;him aha 1766883;1515375783;asciilifeform;100% imho writeoff. went mad. 1766884;1515375792;mircea_popescu;lotta that going around. 1766885;1515375858;mircea_popescu;anyway, so : a container could tell you it's a document, and it contains a text, a song and a picture. should that container end up on a list of things you're interested in, your client could then look up what to do with documents, and how to parse texts, songs and images. 1766886;1515375924;mircea_popescu;then it could tell you "well, here's that thing you wanted in a browser, because that's where it says it goes, and we couldn't process the song part because nobody you trust signed an implementation of anything on the list of song things, but the text is there as per so-and-so-textizer signed by x y and z" 1766887;1515375925;asciilifeform;this is roughly what the xml people tried to do 1766888;1515375930;mircea_popescu;and everyone else. 1766889;1515375932;asciilifeform;aha 1766890;1515375967;asciilifeform;most recently bastardized by the urbit folx 1766891;1515375978;asciilifeform;but it comes back, more or less continuously, like daedal's wings 1766892;1515375980;mircea_popescu;"and the image is in the list of things you don't want so we omitted that also" 1766893;1515376010;mircea_popescu;and indeed, management of the implicit semantics in all this will be the end of the world. 1766894;1515376131;*;trinque worked under a semantic-web-head for about 4-5yrs, built several incarnations of this kind of meta-browser monstrosity 1766895;1515376158;trinque;dunno it ends up being any more complicated than existing DHTs but for the urge to make a giant, complex, systemdtron with myriad ways of describing the same things. 1766896;1515376166;asciilifeform;trinque: put it in writing pleeeez? 1766897;1515376170;trinque;not nearly ready 1766898;1515376171;asciilifeform;really gotta write these things 1766899;1515376179;asciilifeform;or they get lost 1766900;1515376182;trinque;plenty of bad implementations already written 1766901;1515376187;asciilifeform;not proggy ! 1766902;1515376189;asciilifeform;the war story 1766903;1515376190;mircea_popescu;trinque the disaster i perceive is this : that a) the worst world is to have a lot of ad-hoc implementation of sexpr-datastructs but b) the cheapest way is a and c) the complete construction is unachievable. 1766904;1515376217;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform noodling phase yet, dun worry, nothing in my hand will get lost. 1766905;1515376291;mircea_popescu;let's put this in different terms : the happiest life is, empty planet, where man can go picking berries / quals/womenz as he feels inclined. everything fits well and all is good. the necessary correlate is that the petri dish slowly fills, at which point incompatibles will result in perpetual war and strife. all is not so good. 1766906;1515376359;mircea_popescu;the evident macro-solution would be to construct a filling of the petri dish out of non-overlapping parts, but a) this will bother everyone if only a little bit, by cramping their style and b) thje development and maintenance cost for this is the textbook example of http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/ 1766907;1515376364;mircea_popescu;ie, the onme thing everyone wants to defect. 1766908;1515376437;asciilifeform;errybody wants 'the ecstasy but not the laundry', newsat11 1766909;1515376466;mircea_popescu;systems where this applies are definitionally broken. 1766910;1515376497;asciilifeform;i dun think i've been to the planet where they keep the nonbroken ones yet 1766911;1515376540;mircea_popescu;let's look at it again. 1766912;1515376564;mircea_popescu;so gns is basically just a lengthy registrar of assignments, a=b sorta thing, signed by keys. 1766913;1515376597;mircea_popescu;there's no obligation on anyone to maintain any particular portion of it, or to communicate it to anyone -- can be run locally just as well (in practice, equiv rto "only trust my signature"). 1766914;1515376615;mircea_popescu;this much can be implemented without bothering anyone. right ? 1766915;1515376629;*;trinque nods 1766916;1515376636;asciilifeform;already implemented as buncha specialcases, neh ( e.g. v ) 1766917;1515376677;mircea_popescu;or deedbot. okay. moving on. 1766918;1515376721;mircea_popescu;v is basically just a lengthy pile of code trees, made out of patches also signed by keys ; in practice its coinvolved with the v-application, which can press etc, but let's here distinguish. 1766919;1515376733;mircea_popescu;as for the gns above, no obligation. 1766920;1515376750;mircea_popescu;this idem already exists, and is not getting in anyone's way. 1766921;1515376782;mircea_popescu;now let's look at how things work. mircea_popescu decides one day he wants to find out about sgml, and therefore instructs his client. 1766922;1515376791;*;asciilifeform brb 1766923;1515376822;mircea_popescu;2. the client queries whichever gns it is configured to, and inquires as to contacting machines which hold data related to this item. it receives a list of them, on the basis of what signatures mircea_popescu told it to trust signed. 1766924;1515376831;mircea_popescu;it then proceeds to, for every item on that list, 1766925;1515376874;mircea_popescu;3. open link to machine, explain what it is it wants, get an answer in the form of "here's a list of document containers, which do you want". it explains which it wants (such as "all" or w/e) and it gets a container containing them. maybe it's gzipped or whatever. 1766926;1515376907;mircea_popescu;4. in all cases, a container consists of a tag and binary data ; the tag section of the gns tells it what v trees are acceptable applications upon that data. 1766927;1515376929;mircea_popescu;5. client proceeds to build what it can (if set to, and as per signatures again) and present the pile. 1766928;1515376977;mircea_popescu;in this way, someone who wants to read unicode will accept containers of that type and have in his seals sigs of people who wrote such a tree ; and who wants to see (what now is) .avi or .gif or etc similarily. 1766929;1515376990;mircea_popescu;ie, the whole thing can be built out of parts without getting in anyone's way whatsoever. 1766930;1515377023;mircea_popescu;i don't have to have the people who want to use unicode to agree to anything in particular ahead of time, and if tomorrow they decide to call it fuck-bush instead, they can and nothing gets broken 1766931;1515377042;mircea_popescu;there's no requirement that the gns even be properly global ; it's your job to make it global-locally and that's that. 1766932;1515377083;trinque;this 1) agreeing ahead of time with pantsuit council on what schemas exist or 2) infinitely nested lookup tables for viewers is exactly what killed the prior idiots 1766933;1515377103;mircea_popescu;yeah, but it seems to me neither is involved here ? 1766934;1515377109;trinque;not at all. this works. 1766935;1515377136;mircea_popescu;you can make upon a private lan the agreement that "unicode" is how you call the tga decoder, and lo and behold... you read tga with the unicode displayer now. 1766936;1515377185;mircea_popescu;so in the atomic case, practically overengineered but for the sake of understanding each other : each v tree should simply say it wants to be pressed by a v presser, and the client should inquire wtf that is and get one. 1766937;1515377195;trinque;it also leaves space for *multiple* hypertext document viewers, many as you like. 1766938;1515377195;mircea_popescu;obviously we all do this manually at present, but we really utterly don't want to. 1766939;1515377204;mircea_popescu;trinque many as you can be bothered to sign yes. 1766940;1515377227;mircea_popescu;obviously the fact that a bitcoin txn container will come with "this takes bitcoin" will not result in you recompiling bitcoin for each tx -- you already have it ; 1766941;1515377235;mircea_popescu;but the first time you run into one -- yes, it would. 1766942;1515377245;mircea_popescu;and that "bitcoin" can mean whatever the fuick you choose it should mean. 1766943;1515377554;mircea_popescu;so announcement of a new partch would be author changing his gns entry for X from press-to-q to press-to-k ; if user is disinterested he jkust gets dragged along, otherwise if user requires he sign local copy he stays put. 1766944;1515377559;mircea_popescu;all transparent like and everything. 1766945;1515377616;mircea_popescu;no more need to run javascript (ie, unsecured remote code) ; no more need to "ask people to upgrade" ; no more anything of the idiotic sort. if i want a cuntoo/mp-wp/we it is now i have to ask here, and maybne someone produces one. this could just as well be handled by the machines, it's a machine task. 1766946;1515377688;asciilifeform;!#s kyristor 1766947;1515377689;a111;27 results for "kyristor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kyristor 1766948;1515377704;asciilifeform;^ ancient asciilifeform crackpottery , re subj 1766949;1515377757;mircea_popescu;item eminently doesn't deal with "programs" or "applications" or anything ; it's a proper url system, it locates resources. can put in the gns that you're a dentist in kennebunkport, maine, and if i need a dentist... 1766950;1515377800;mircea_popescu;rather than the current "google search" utterly useless bullshit. 1766951;1515377828;mircea_popescu;at least that way i have someone to tell his dentist sucked ; and he might negrate the douche. or vice-versa. 1766952;1515377844;mircea_popescu;gets a new rating, and NECESSARILY more business, because now more people can find him. 1766953;1515378030;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the major change from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567932 is obviously the abandoment of the fixed petri dish. it dun have to have a "final word" solution, overalpping local ones are fine. 1766954;1515378030;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 19:06 asciilifeform: Framedragger: note that this was the laughable piece, 'majority votes', i had nfi how to cut the knot of sybil etc. 1766955;1515378040;mircea_popescu;in a sense moving the problem away into where it belongs. 1766956;1515380150;mircea_popescu;oh, obviously : there's no possiblity of name conflicts, either. the fact that my key defines "usg" as x and trump's key defines "usg" as y allows us both to live our respective delusions happily. 1766957;1515380245;asciilifeform;q is not how to make this happen. it already happens. q is how to mechanize it properly. 1766958;1515380274;mircea_popescu;moreover, kinda too soon to mechanize it just yet. 1766959;1515380282;asciilifeform;possibly. 1766960;1515380290;mircea_popescu;but if i were to guess, i'd guess this is where it's headed. 1766961;1515380324;asciilifeform;it does need the fast ffa, among other items. 1766962;1515380366;asciilifeform;( and gossip layer prolly gotta come first, also ) 1766963;1515406555;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766927 << needless to say re this that just because you trust someone's signature it doesn't follow that someone's obliged to distribute his patches to you ; this allows him to be paid for his work ; you're also more than welcome to obtain your patches from someone other than their author, provided... you trust their signature ; and obviously the author's STILL not obliged to distribute patc 1766964;1515406555;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 02:02 mircea_popescu: 5. client proceeds to build what it can (if set to, and as per signatures again) and present the pile. 1766965;1515406555;mircea_popescu;hes to THAT third party either, meaning, again... 1766966;1515406568;mircea_popescu;this then allows the emergence of software distribution networks, and so on. 1766967;1515422036;diana_coman;in other gnupg-isms: it uses lcm(p-1, q-1) instead of phi itself, supposedly to make decryption faster but essentially through making the decryption exponent smaller; moreover, this is a sort of buildup on the whole pile of stink because it quite relies on p and q NOT being really random (if they really are random, chances are gcd(p-1, q-1) relatively small and therefore phi and lcm not really all that different anyway) 1766968;1515423111;diana_coman;(obv. no comments in the code to know why it uses lcm there, so the supposition above is entirely mine; if anyone sees a different reason for that, let me know) 1766969;1515423401;asciilifeform;diana_coman: are you speaking of the item http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aQhMA/?raw=true ? 1766970;1515423434;asciilifeform;( snippet paste is from the classical 1.4.10 ) 1766971;1515423652;asciilifeform;and gotta point out, gcd and lcm not the same, gcd(x,y)*lcm(x,y)=x*y (proof left as exercise) 1766972;1515423682;diana_coman;asciilifeform, at key generation really, classical 1.4.10, snippet here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GWFnN/?raw=true 1766973;1515423697;diana_coman;asciilifeform, where the fuck did I say gcd and lcm same?? 1766974;1515423712;diana_coman;phi = (p-1)*(q-1) 1766975;1515423727;diana_coman;lcm = phi / gcd(p-1, q-1) 1766976;1515423733;asciilifeform;possibly i misread the orig comment, where seemed to be used interchangeably 1766977;1515423739;diana_coman;phi and lcm relatively same, NOT lcm and gcd 1766978;1515423762;asciilifeform;ok there it is. 1766979;1515425646;shinohai;!!up btcvixen 1766980;1515425648;deedbot;btcvixen voiced for 30 minutes. 1766981;1515425656;btcvixen;yay 1766982;1515425660;btcvixen;so what do I have to do? 1766983;1515425675;shinohai;Welcome btcvixen .... hafta to lurk until mircea_popescu comes online 1766984;1515425682;btcvixen;what do I Have to decorate on my tits now? 1766985;1515425683;shinohai;He should be here any time now 1766986;1515425724;shinohai;Yeah, he will give you a unique string to write on your tits, take pic/upload/ get paid. 1766987;1515425736;btcvixen;oh neat. 1766988;1515425744;btcvixen;where do I prove I've been naked before? 1766989;1515425780;shinohai;Well in otc you said you were on cam? 1766990;1515425798;btcvixen;yeah 1766991;1515425806;btcvixen;i have cam4 profile, chaturbate profile 1766992;1515425808;btcvixen;pornhub 1766993;1515425816;shinohai;Should be sufficient then 1766994;1515425861;btcvixen;shinohai, can i whore my stuff here? 1766995;1515426002;apeloyee;possible reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766967 is NIST FIPS 186-4: " The exponent d shall be a positive integer value such that 2^(nlen/2) d < LCM(p–1, q–1)" (http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/FIPS/NIST.FIPS.186-4.pdf#page=62 ) 1766996;1515426002;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 14:33 diana_coman: in other gnupg-isms: it uses lcm(p-1, q-1) instead of phi itself, supposedly to make decryption faster but essentially through making the decryption exponent smaller; moreover, this is a sort of buildup on the whole pile of stink because it quite relies on p and q NOT being really random (if they really are random, chances are gcd(p-1, q-1) relatively small and therefore phi and lcm not really all that different anyway) 1766997;1515426031;apeloyee;2^(nlen/2) < d 1766998;1515426129;diana_coman;"where nlen is the appropriate length for the desired security_strength" - where is this wonder in gnupg anyway 1766999;1515426162;diana_coman;apeloyee, I guess that's the how come lcm, because they said so, yes 1767000;1515426238;BingoBoingo; basically, technocucks so fucking petrified of their emotions and the structure of power, they will retreat into bikeshedding as a comfortable substitute for sanity. << Could not be more evident than in Microshit/Ubuntu "User Interface must change every major release" 1767001;1515426308;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1767002;1515426314;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14710.0, vol: 16245.50952799 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14589.0, vol: 56500.76635817 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14600.0, vol: 3668.69709413 | Volume-weighted last average: 14615.2522153 1767003;1515426373;BingoBoingo;In other news, datacenter meeting Wednesday morning. And ended up booking the hostel through the end of February. 1767004;1515426398;shinohai;Buena suerte BingoBoingo ! 1767005;1515426639;BingoBoingo;ty 1767006;1515426899;BingoBoingo;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=151521435721902 y https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=151521473321941&w=2 1767007;1515427082;asciilifeform;diana_coman, apeloyee : it does make d smaller. but as far as i can see it doesn't do anything interesting rsatronically 1767008;1515427147;btcvixen;can i link my chaturbate channel here? 1767009;1515427155;asciilifeform;( it makes a kochtronic (i.e. variable-width) arithmetron exponentiate faster. but answer is same , as far as i can tell, as if it were not done ) 1767010;1515427165;diana_coman;asciilifeform, thing is: unlikely to make it much smaller anyway if p and q are chosen randomly, no? 1767011;1515427190;diana_coman;useless at best is how I see it too, yes 1767012;1515427195;BingoBoingo;btcvixen: Probably wouldn't hurt 1767013;1515427218;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it shaves typically 1 bit 1767014;1515427235;asciilifeform;q is odd, p is odd, q-1 - even , p - 1 - even 1767015;1515427244;diana_coman;well yes, gcd at least 2, obv 1767016;1515427246;asciilifeform;their gcd then >=2 1767017;1515427246;asciilifeform;aha 1767018;1515427281;asciilifeform;obv. this sort of misery will not be used in ffatronic rsa. 1767019;1515427281;btcvixen;https://chaturbate.com/p/jadeisrad/?tab=bio twitter - @jadeisradXXX http://www.cam4.com/jadeisrad https://www.camsoda.com/jadeisrad but no one uses camsoda 1767020;1515427301;btcvixen;name is Jade, btw. 1767021;1515427324;apeloyee;but gpg uses CRT, thus shaving a bit off d itself ~doesn't matter. looks like "because said so" 1767022;1515427353;asciilifeform;i suspect that koch was blindly following the schoolbook here. 1767023;1515427378;asciilifeform;though it'd be hilarious if there were a subtle bug in mpi fdiv etc. 1767024;1515427422;asciilifeform;i threw away mpi after attempting a very similar exercise to what diana_coman is doing now, and realizing that i'ma prolly never find all of the mines. 1767025;1515427433;asciilifeform;and finding not-all is as good as finding none. 1767026;1515427721;shinohai;Block: 503136 00000000000000000077bb565be220f1cf03648453ef421b22f516d372ceee21 <<< Gotta mine dem Empty blocks so ppl will move to BCrash! 1767027;1515428281;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/42ejR << in other crackpotteries. maurer's prime cooker. 1767028;1515428686;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mN2NJ/?raw=true << whole thing in 1 .txt , for convenience. includes author's sci.crypt-style philosophizing, which is the linkworthy lul to begin with 1767029;1515429643;hanbot;!!up btcvixen 1767030;1515429643;deedbot;btcvixen voiced for 30 minutes. 1767031;1515429656;hanbot;btcvixen> name is Jade, btw. << welcome Jade, where are ya from? 1767032;1515429708;btcvixen;new jersey 1767033;1515429715;btcvixen;shore area :) 1767034;1515429969;hanbot;oh hey, i don't think there's any other jersey talent here atm, i guess you get to be de-facto miss shores. i'm in costa rica, banana area 1767035;1515429980;hanbot;what do you do besides camming? 1767036;1515430026;btcvixen;not much, really hoping to get into motorcycle racing 1767037;1515430032;btcvixen;really the reason i started camming 1767038;1515430183;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 1767039;1515430191;hanbot;if motorcycle racing plucked most participants from camsites i wager it'd be a lot more interesting, personally ;p 1767040;1515430265;mircea_popescu;hanbot you mean the camhos or the zombies "watching" ? 1767041;1515430279;hanbot;the former, naturally 1767042;1515430302;mircea_popescu;i could see it. 1767043;1515430348;BingoBoingo;Honestly incorporating that into the act could motivate the punters to part with the cash faster 1767044;1515430362;mircea_popescu;btcvixen oh, were you here to tits ? 1767045;1515430390;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo considering the death of the indiancandy experiment... i expect the pebkac. 1767046;1515430401;hanbot;BingoBoingo totally, camhos and sportsbooks were made for each other, no idea why there's nothing doing atm 1767047;1515430403;ben_vulpes;ohey, btcvixen 1767048;1515430493;shinohai;indiancandy came by as sofiababy last night while I was afk mircea_popescu .... still need a voice for the pr thing ? 1767049;1515430516;*;shinohai does like her for her Brit voice at least .... 1767050;1515430566;btcvixen;hey ben_vulpes 1767051;1515430569;btcvixen;mircea_popescu, yes 1767052;1515430600;btcvixen;I have been patiently waiting here for this, almost in disbelief in what sort of digital harem you've managed to accumulate. 1767053;1515430611;ben_vulpes;btcvixen: didja get bored of the #-otc babbling? 1767054;1515430613;mircea_popescu;shinohai a what now ? 1767055;1515430634;mircea_popescu;btcvixen holy shit you've got like an irc client and everything ? what are you, like a geek ? 1767056;1515430639;btcvixen;lol, i've been spectating it for several years. 1767057;1515430640;shinohai;There was a mention of needing a voiceover for tmsr radio production? I can dig inlogs 1767058;1515430668;mircea_popescu;btcvixen use 4bf34cdf 1767059;1515430674;btcvixen;mircea_popescu, i generated 6600 coins cpu back in 2010, unfortuantely i got raped and spent them on heroin and they were gone by march of 2012 when they were worth $2 a pop 1767060;1515430689;btcvixen;i've been cleaned up since march though, but i really could've used that $100 million 1767061;1515430690;mircea_popescu;the logs thank you for this story. 1767062;1515430693;btcvixen;instead i'm camwhoring. 1767063;1515430709;mircea_popescu;!!key btcvixen 1767064;1515430710;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/11E3DCAED09A98A1837E58C4910CB253AC6DEDE2.asc 1767065;1515430717;mircea_popescu;jeez, look at that even. 1767066;1515430720;btcvixen;I was thinking of writing a book.... entitled "from hashcodes to Heroin: a bitcoin legacy" 1767067;1515430728;*;shinohai imagines gabriel _ladell reading with interest, preparing marriage proposal ..... 1767068;1515430730;mircea_popescu;!!rate btcvixen best 100mn heroin story. 1767069;1515430740;mircea_popescu;uh i mean 1767070;1515430743;mircea_popescu;!!rate btcvixen 1 best 100mn heroin story. 1767071;1515430745;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vt0pj/?raw=true 1767072;1515430767;btcvixen;okay lemme go get a sharpie and my tits lol. 1767073;1515430767;asciilifeform;i'll read, to find out... wtf is a 'hashcode' 1767074;1515430774;btcvixen;oh cool, already got my tits. 1767075;1515430781;btcvixen;ask mircea 1767076;1515430815;ben_vulpes;btcvixen: lol i was gonna ask where you keep 'em 1767077;1515430832;mircea_popescu;yeah asciilifeform you should ask me computing things when you don't know what they are. 1767078;1515430839;asciilifeform;aha! 1767079;1515430847;mircea_popescu;because some can be hard/obscure. 1767080;1515430849;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in a wooden holster, opposite from the one with the mauser, naturally 1767081;1515430865;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: hue, ofc how silly of me 1767082;1515430871;ben_vulpes;these are good logs boys 1767083;1515430889;btcvixen;mircea_popescu, can i throw my twitter or chaturbate there too or just the code? 1767084;1515430894;mircea_popescu;sure 1767085;1515430912;shinohai;Precisely how large are those tits ffs ? 1767086;1515430932;btcvixen;actually i might skip that part since it's hard enough to write numbers mirrored on my own tits 1767087;1515430948;btcvixen;mircea_popescu, case sensitive? 1767088;1515430953;mircea_popescu;either way 1767089;1515430970;ben_vulpes;btcvixen: cannot draw visual palindromes on demand? 1767090;1515430976;ben_vulpes;teh shame 1767091;1515431001;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes do you also have any questions about computer things i could answer for you ? 1767092;1515431047;ben_vulpes;oooh yeah actually yeah there's this thing called javascript and i can't figure out why it exists, what's up with that 1767093;1515431057;mircea_popescu;ask asciilifeform . 1767094;1515431064;btcvixen;okay 1767095;1515431066;ben_vulpes;hey asciilifeform what's up with javascript? 1767096;1515431071;*;mircea_popescu does a meppy jig 1767097;1515431097;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: y'mean the scratchings in the sand that pass for script on isle of java ? 1767098;1515431104;ben_vulpes;"eyy, so javascript am i right? eh? anyone? it's like, terrible right?" 1767099;1515431107;asciilifeform;i dunno anyother kind!11! 1767100;1515431120;mircea_popescu;this is because you have to ask me about computing like things asciilifeform 1767101;1515431125;mircea_popescu;here, i wrote a trilema article on it : 1767102;1515431125;asciilifeform;aha, gotta ask mircea_popescu 1767103;1515431135;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/i-dont-no-biari-i-know-a-littel-java/ 1767104;1515431142;mircea_popescu;IT IS FROM 2013! ALL THIS WAS FORETOLD 1767105;1515431149;ben_vulpes;heyyyyy mircea_popescu why are programmers so angry 1767106;1515431166;mircea_popescu;cuz they've no crypto for heroin. 1767107;1515431198;ben_vulpes;"we will *not* be shooting up, omfg. we will be *snorting* like civilized adults." 1767108;1515431210;mircea_popescu;why, you like the mononostril look ? 1767109;1515431215;btcvixen;mircea_popescu, https://imgur.com/a/xhfTl 1767110;1515431228;ben_vulpes;NOFACE REEEEEEEE 1767111;1515431236;btcvixen;i can add face my mistake 1767112;1515431239;mircea_popescu;get yer mug in there btcvixen 1767113;1515431243;btcvixen;i have no make up though 1767114;1515431245;ben_vulpes;autism alarms 1767115;1515431258;mircea_popescu;lol so make up. BUT YOU HAVE ONLY HALF HOUR 1767116;1515431323;asciilifeform;um is this another brendafdez 1767117;1515431360;ben_vulpes;your favorite kind, asciilifeform ! 1767118;1515431374;asciilifeform;lol 1767119;1515431413;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766977 << i don't see the problem with using the actual spec. koch "optimizations" not really useful. 1767120;1515431413;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 15:02 diana_coman: phi and lcm relatively same, NOT lcm and gcd 1767121;1515431429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's that mean ? 1767122;1515431443;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: synthetic chix 1767123;1515431462;shinohai;oh ... oh ....oh 1767124;1515431479;mircea_popescu;as in what, not huge tits ? chromosomally xy ? which ? 1767125;1515431485;asciilifeform;the latter 1767126;1515431631;mircea_popescu;dude theo de radt discussing "Captured"... gimme a fucking break 1767127;1515431695;trinque;BingoBoingo: ey, got a quote back from Latechco on a rack. PM if you want to compare 1767128;1515431745;mircea_popescu;awww, jesus. btcvixen listen! this dun work for "transgender"! what did you think "any human female" meant ?! 1767129;1515431784;trinque;BingoBoingo: not trying to rent the thing for you; just gathering ammo to help. 1767130;1515431792;mircea_popescu;!!up btcvixen 1767131;1515431792;deedbot;btcvixen voiced for 30 minutes. 1767132;1515431797;btcvixen;my id says female though 1767133;1515431801;btcvixen;i can show you that 1767134;1515431806;btcvixen;do you ask for anyone elses vagina/ 1767135;1515431812;btcvixen;or do you have special rules for me based on a whisper? 1767136;1515431814;ben_vulpes;fiat id reeeeeeeee 1767137;1515431826;asciilifeform;trinque: i could use this, actually, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759305 1767138;1515431826;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 01:25 asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo where was that hoster that'll host peculiarly small boxes , that you were using back in the day ? i have a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754247 that fit exactly those dimensions 1767139;1515431826;btcvixen;https://i.imgur.com/1P102Wj.png 1767140;1515431828;ben_vulpes;(all you really need to see are the knuckles hue) 1767141;1515431862;btcvixen;You asked for females to show you tits. I am female, I showed you tits. Why are my real tits less legitimate than a female with silicon tits? 1767142;1515431862;mircea_popescu;btcvixen well, if you're curious about procedure, l1 invalidated your claim and you're sol. kinda how things work here. 1767143;1515431876;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes has it; 'whisper' was not prompted by a secret dislike of asciilifeform's of people who start with 'b' 1767144;1515431879;mircea_popescu;but procedural approach isn't worth much in the republic anyway. 1767145;1515431890;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: first people whose names start with 't' and now 'b' 1767146;1515431895;asciilifeform;lolaha 1767147;1515431896;ben_vulpes;clearly a tigot 1767148;1515431902;mircea_popescu;btcvixen no, the substantive issue is that you are not female ; you would like to be, which is fine, but it doesn't do anything. 1767149;1515431920;btcvixen;but i am female 1767150;1515431929;mircea_popescu;do you understand what "female" means ? 1767151;1515431932;asciilifeform;and i'ma rhinoceros! 1767152;1515431933;btcvixen;i would have been fine if ben_vulpes did not blow up my spot. 1767153;1515431945;ben_vulpes;excuse me? 1767154;1515431949;mircea_popescu;the fact thjat you might've gotten away with fraud doesn't actually change the argument. 1767155;1515431958;btcvixen;it's not fraud, i am who i am. 1767156;1515431961;btcvixen;I am female. 1767157;1515431964;mircea_popescu;no. 1767158;1515431970;btcvixen;shinohai, did you purposefully bring me here to mock me? 1767159;1515431992;mircea_popescu;the claim "i am female" is fraudulent ; you are male and will die male. this is something decided at birth and unalterable. 1767160;1515432011;btcvixen;is this the purpose of your whole little thing? 1767161;1515432022;mircea_popescu;if you are confused on the matter, pick a cell and a chromosome count kid, see if the sex chromosome is xx or xy. 1767162;1515432026;btcvixen;why is it when i am hormonally female i function so much more clearly and feel so much more comfortable 1767163;1515432033;btcvixen;there's XX males and XY females 1767164;1515432034;btcvixen;XXY 1767165;1515432062;btcvixen;just because your personal philosophy doesn't accept who i am as a person doesn't invalidate me or my identity. 1767166;1515432064;mircea_popescu;btcvixen no, actually, nobody gives a shit about the obscure "i am genderconfused" demo either. the purpose is for the ~5bn extand females to earn a penny ; the 50k or whatever overfed white boys with too much tiome on their time isn't foremost on anyone's mind. 1767167;1515432082;mircea_popescu;btcvixen my personal philosophy doesn't enter into any of this. 1767168;1515432093;btcvixen;Yes it does, as my government id says "Sex: F" 1767169;1515432107;btcvixen;and you are denying me what you asked for females 1767170;1515432114;mircea_popescu;your government is about as interesting as one instance of dorks playing monopoly. 1767171;1515432122;asciilifeform;and ihear in europistan you can get 'Sex: martian' nao 1767172;1515432133;btcvixen;where do you get off on this? 1767173;1515432138;mircea_popescu;now -- stop making fraudulent claims, and find something useful to do for yourslef, there's more in the republic than titswriting. 1767174;1515432154;btcvixen;i did what you asked for, why not extend yourself as promised. I told you who I am. I know who I am. 1767175;1515432170;btcvixen;just because you say otherwise doesn't mean anything. You may have money but the one thing you don't have is authority over my identity. 1767176;1515432171;mircea_popescu;if you persist i'll also negrate you. 1767177;1515432184;btcvixen;I know who I am, and any little opinion you have is worthless to me. 1767178;1515432197;mircea_popescu;aite then. 1767179;1515432199;btcvixen;My mind, my strength, and my integrity are worth far more than those 2 bitcents of pittance you offer me. 1767180;1515432204;shinohai;btcvixen: nope, but the heroin story was grand. 1767181;1515432209;mircea_popescu;!!rate btcvixen -1 attempted to scam bitcoin through fraudulent claims. 1767182;1515432211;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oAkZv/?raw=true 1767183;1515432223;btcvixen;yeah it would have helped... but overall you just seem to be a shallow man that doesn't seem to realize the entire scope of human individuality 1767184;1515432231;mircea_popescu;!!down btcvixen 1767185;1515432244;asciilifeform;this is almost as preeecious as alice_ 1767186;1515432247;ben_vulpes;pwahaha 1767187;1515432260;mircea_popescu;the gall, you know. 1767188;1515432287;ben_vulpes;good monday, #trilema! are there any other marginalized characters who want to line up for a stomping? 1767189;1515432311;trinque;lol 1767190;1515432317;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes incredible what sort of inflexible thinker ends up sucked into the whole "no rly, i r gurl" subculture. 1767191;1515432336;ben_vulpes;the speed at which the immune system kicked in was pretty impressive 1767192;1515432353;ben_vulpes;"do we really hav to do this? IN 201y!?!?!" 1767193;1515432367;shinohai;asciilifeform: did not know until now that Bfernandez was xy 1767194;1515432375;asciilifeform;shinohai: iirc was upfront about it 1767195;1515432383;trinque;I mean.. it was apparent 1767196;1515432386;asciilifeform;some folx are honest 1767197;1515432389;mircea_popescu;somehow "The vaguely amused forum + mp rating is worth WAY the fuck more than whatever self-delusions i nurse, let me put this to use" is apparently inaccessible. 1767198;1515432398;shinohai;I think I only spoke 2-3 times when I first came here with them 1767199;1515432403;mircea_popescu;da fuck anyone could possibly care about anything OTHER than " got hanbot to talk to me and mp rated me" 1767200;1515432406;shinohai;The moar you know 1767201;1515432442;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly just heard 'ooh there's a chan where some weirdo's handing out phreecoinz' 1767202;1515432451;*;shinohai doesn't think he has ever seen a bfernandez pic 1767203;1515432471;mircea_popescu;shinohai certainly didn't attempt to defraud, the fernandez. 1767204;1515432510;shinohai;Nah, it was my fault I saw over in #otc where was advertising cam links, I linked to article. But is user's responsibility to read 1767205;1515432514;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean in the way "just heard there's weird internet money let me spend it all" ? 1767206;1515432522;asciilifeform;aaha 1767207;1515432544;mircea_popescu;shinohai do a skim over see if there's "transsexual" or w/e mentioned, spare the future tulpas the rude reawakening. 1767208;1515432563;*;mircea_popescu would be very impressed to see one that got this clue running, but does not expect to. 1767209;1515432570;*;shinohai adds this to the list. along with his rejection of Colombian cows in the future .... 1767210;1515432571;mircea_popescu;after all, if brain worked, situation wouldn't exist. 1767211;1515432586;asciilifeform;btw supposedly in usa these 'beauties' with delusions of femality, regularly get themselves savagely beaten/knifed/floating in river , when attempting to act on said delusions with street demographic that takes кто ты по жизни seriously 1767212;1515432600;shinohai;lmao 1767213;1515432617;trinque;that just feeds into the precious cuntlet narrative in head 1767214;1515432634;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i expect. 1767215;1515432637;asciilifeform;aha, it gets spun into an ohnoez mediacircus with some regularity 1767216;1515432695;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767034 << nah, banano is by limon. 1767217;1515432695;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 16:46 hanbot: oh hey, i don't think there's any other jersey talent here atm, i guess you get to be de-facto miss shores. i'm in costa rica, banana area 1767218;1515432731;hanbot;fuck me, i'm lost in the fruit salad 1767219;1515432747;trinque;lol 1767220;1515432787;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this wasn't always the case, once upon a time the trannies in times square were more likely to knife a less-than-complimentary strolling banker 1767221;1515432797;mircea_popescu;hahah 1767222;1515432814;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes when was this time, other than in pantsuit alt-history ? 1767223;1515432815;ben_vulpes;at that time though the banker was likely in the square for the trade anyways, and so would know how to talk 1767224;1515432825;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 70s 1767225;1515432831;ben_vulpes;when gay men were real men 1767226;1515432834;mircea_popescu;~only thing the weirdos ever knifed was their own, take the scum manifesto nutjob that iirc was on trilema even 1767227;1515432843;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this ~never happened. 1767228;1515432883;asciilifeform;iirc 'scum' was an actual female 1767229;1515432889;ben_vulpes;well look i've got you on one hand and the gay elders who despise my generation on the other, one of you actually lived in new york on the scene in heels before it was cleaned up 1767230;1515432893;mircea_popescu;pre stonewall inn gay men were ~police-beating-dummies, and post well... media whores. this "gay men, real men" thing may be a conflatioin with the west coast biker/leather bdsm gay scene, but 1767231;1515432906;mircea_popescu;more of a mythological rehistory (like the "castles in europe" etc) than factual. 1767232;1515432930;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes, about a third of the whores i shot porn with. 1767233;1515433002;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, i shall go buy more suits and things nao, so we can continue this laters. 1767234;1515434878;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8P84I/?raw=true 1767235;1515435901;diana_coman;!!up Swant 1767236;1515435901;deedbot;Swant voiced for 30 minutes. 1767237;1515435916;diana_coman;lol, from Ikea Swant ? 1767238;1515435938;Swant;Nope just a bad in-joke 1767239;1515435952;Swant;I'm in no way related to ikea xD 1767240;1515435997;diana_coman;so who are you? 1767241;1515436187;Swant;Well I'm just a normal freenode staffer and wanted to check in on what this channel is as it was brought to my attention 1767242;1515436229;diana_coman;Swant, how is that brought to attention? like on a platter or what? btw, there are logs, help yourself 1767243;1515436284;Swant;Yeah I might have to look into those 1767244;1515436302;Swant;But if you have time, please tl;dr; me on the purpose of this channel 1767245;1515436355;Swant;Because from what some other users have told me it's for buying and selling porn... 1767246;1515436360;diana_coman;lmao 1767247;1515436422;diana_coman;Swant, the tl;dr is in the chan's topic, no? Topic for #trilema is: You have reached The Most Serene Republic, the world's only sovereign. 1767248;1515436491;Swant;Well that doesn't really clear it up for me tbf 1767249;1515436507;Swant;I'm looking for the slightly longer tl;dr; then :p 1767250;1515436583;shinohai;I'm curious, was the "porn selling" reported by this particular seller of pron? http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2018/01/08#l1515415372.0 1767251;1515436583;asciilifeform;Swant: there's a public log, going back years, http://btcbase.org/log 1767252;1515436590;shinohai;If so, wrong chan 1767253;1515436595;diana_coman;trouble is that TMSR doesn't quite fit in tl;dr other than that, so ...it's logs; anyways, there is search function, guess search for porn selling or whatevs 1767254;1515436861;BingoBoingo;Major projects in this channel include hardware TRNGs, OS replacement utilities written in ADA, and other peer to peer and noone else communications tools 1767255;1515437749;ben_vulpes;https://www.zmescience.com/science/oceanography/melting-ice-sea-rise-08012018/ << ocean bottom is deforming but this means that sea level actually rose more than was previously guessed at rising! 1767256;1515438390;BingoBoingo;!!up Swant 1767257;1515438391;deedbot;Swant voiced for 30 minutes. 1767258;1515438792;ben_vulpes;in other self contradictions of life under american socialism, google is facing class action lawsuits from both men and women claiming different kinds of discrimination 1767259;1515438818;ben_vulpes;https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/08/james-damore-just-filed-a-class-action-lawsuit-against-google-saying-it-discriminates-against-white-male-conservatives/ title all really one needs for the day's chuckles 1767260;1515438831;ben_vulpes;(damore, for anyone who forgot, was fired from google for thoughtcrime) 1767261;1515438916;shinohai;Moar google lulz ..... I'm still in stitches over them getting all their bikes yanked, and spending investigation monies into finding out how this could possibly happen. 1767262;1515442829;TomServo;In other news, A federal judge dismissed all charges against rancher Cliven Bundy, his two sons and another man on Monday. 1767263;1515442831;TomServo;U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro cited "flagrant prosecutorial misconduct" in her decision to dismiss all charges against the Nevada rancher and three others. 1767264;1515442852;shinohai;O.o 1767265;1515442956;trinque;mistrial == avoiding setting precedent eh? 1767266;1515442978;asciilifeform;aaha, pretty handy 1767267;1515442985;ben_vulpes;trinque: what precedent? 1767268;1515443147;trinque;iirc these guys shot back at the feds? 1767269;1515443189;trinque;if so, that. any situation where "shot back and won" 1767270;1515443244;ben_vulpes;i don't see how this isn't a won except in the minds of the feds 1767271;1515443316;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: no precedent gets set. and since the 'double jeopardy' restriction in usa is as good as gone, the same d00dz can be re-accused and re-tried later by obummer-II or whoever 1767272;1515443412;shinohai;Any students of prb here know what this Lightning shit is? http://archive.is/pLqJN 1767273;1515443431;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'offchain'ism 1767274;1515443433;asciilifeform;snoar 1767275;1515443451;shinohai;More not Bitcoin 1767276;1515453474;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767262 << except, of course, the one that got shot. 1767277;1515453474;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 20:20 TomServo: In other news, A federal judge dismissed all charges against rancher Cliven Bundy, his two sons and another man on Monday. 1767278;1515453499;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767269 << i would say you're exactly correct. "shooting at usg men is always the right move ; if you do it you'll win ; do not think of this". 1767279;1515453499;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 20:26 trinque: if so, that. any situation where "shot back and won" 1767280;1515453541;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767272 << replacement of bluematt's original "let's not really fix the peer problem" "solution" 1767281;1515453541;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 20:30 shinohai: Any students of prb here know what this Lightning shit is? http://archive.is/pLqJN 1767282;1515453660;shinohai;!#s XMSS 1767283;1515453661;a111;0 results for "XMSS", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=XMSS 1767284;1515453988;ben_vulpes;in other convergences, one of the 'keybase' faces nominally also 'built' the 'okcupid' thing mike_c now runs 1767285;1515454010;mircea_popescu;hey, the sv circus dun really have that many faces. 1767286;1515454014;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: canhaz link ? 1767287;1515454066;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: https://chriscoyne.com/ 1767288;1515454088;mircea_popescu;jesus 1767289;1515454104;asciilifeform;lol sparknotes 1767290;1515454133;mircea_popescu;let's make this point plain, as apparently somehow it's not self-evident : acting like a mongoloid does not get you "suave" brownie points. it gets you mongoloid points. 1767291;1515454136;ben_vulpes;> malgorithms 1767292;1515454138;ben_vulpes;apropos 1767293;1515454158;mircea_popescu;there's something wrong with lanky adult failing to understand what the problem with child bikes are. 1767294;1515454222;asciilifeform;face begs for brick. 1767295;1515454226;asciilifeform;harvard face. 1767296;1515454251;mircea_popescu;more like "community college in the general harvard area" but w/e. splitting pubes. 1767297;1515454279;mircea_popescu;!!up pehbot 1767298;1515454279;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1767299;1515454335;mircea_popescu;!A .~.~.~.2.4.8X 1767300;1515454336;pehbot;mircea_popescu: 1767301;1515454341;mircea_popescu;!A .~.~.~.2.4.7X 1767302;1515454342;pehbot;mircea_popescu: 1767303;1515454342;asciilifeform;yagottaprintit 1767304;1515454349;mircea_popescu;!A .~.~.~.2.4.7X# 1767305;1515454349;pehbot;mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002 1767306;1515454352;mircea_popescu;!A .~.~.~.2.4.8X# 1767307;1515454352;pehbot;mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 1767308;1515454374;mircea_popescu;this is remarkably fast considering what it does! 1767309;1515454378;asciilifeform;256b 1767310;1515454392;asciilifeform;egyptian modexp is a o(n^3) op 1767311;1515454393;mircea_popescu;myeah. judicious choice, at that. 1767312;1515454407;asciilifeform;( recall, PeterL verified empirically ) 1767313;1515454431;mircea_popescu;!A .~.~.~.115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639935.57896044618658097711785492504343953926634992332820282019728792003956564819957.2X# 1767314;1515454432;pehbot;mircea_popescu: EGGOG: Pos: 71: Constant Exceeds Bitness! 1767315;1515454470;asciilifeform;^ hint : goto col 71 and zap forward 1767316;1515454474;asciilifeform;it tells you exactly where 1767317;1515454478;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is pos 71 actually in any way transformable to pa ha! 1767318;1515454481;asciilifeform;aha. 1767319;1515454491;mircea_popescu;this is pretty well thought out! 1767320;1515454493;asciilifeform;it's a nonforward+nonbackward-looking parser, if you will. 1767321;1515454511;asciilifeform;i.e. '1' actually is just shiftleft-by-4-and-or-with-1 1767322;1515454518;asciilifeform;i.e. 'A' actually is just shiftleft-by-4-and-or-with-A 1767323;1515454518;asciilifeform;etc 1767324;1515454521;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2^256 - 1 1767325;1515454523;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2^256 - 1 = 1.157920892373162E77 1767326;1515454528;asciilifeform;lol!! 1767327;1515454533;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sooo... not 256 bit then ? 1767328;1515454537;asciilifeform;yes256 1767329;1515454540;asciilifeform;watch 1767330;1515454542;mircea_popescu;what am i missing here ? 1767331;1515454548;asciilifeform;!A .~# 1767332;1515454548;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 1767333;1515454550;asciilifeform;there you go 1767334;1515454554;mircea_popescu;o damn i forgot. 1767335;1515454590;mircea_popescu;!A .~.~.~.FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF5.4FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.2X# 1767336;1515454591;pehbot;mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 1767337;1515454610;mircea_popescu;nifty. 1767338;1515454630;asciilifeform;if you read ch4 you'll know all there is to know about it, it's simple, like kalash 1767339;1515454685;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L194 << from here , to end of ffa_calc.adb, whole mechanism. 1767340;1515454709;mircea_popescu;ya 1767341;1515454961;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1767342;1515454966;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14978.98, vol: 16664.61012220 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14900.0, vol: 64596.19423353 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14904.7, vol: 3924.80854617 | Volume-weighted last average: 14915.6671703 1767343;1515455234;mircea_popescu;!!pay pete_dushenski 0.58441904 1767344;1515455239;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nzwCy/?raw=true 1767345;1515456216;BingoBoingo;If anyone wants to take samples from a roach den http://archive.is/EmGTv 1767346;1515456398;ben_vulpes;lol dafuq is an orderly exit "we will take these mining rigs and give you these yuan good luck fellas"? 1767347;1515456436;mircea_popescu;!!key esthlos 1767348;1515456437;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/EDB93AD2CAB28398010B46D025C71657FDA71DC2.asc 1767349;1515456471;ben_vulpes;assuming anyone knows where the large hashpower actually lives, and it isn't under the protection of whomever granted access to the low-cost-juice already 1767350;1515456647;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes kinda hard not to know ; sensitive to the same process of discovery as "hydroponic" pot farm 1767351;1515456671;asciilifeform;lol except for the ones disguised as bauxite refineries 1767352;1515456725;mircea_popescu;but there's a) permits required to bauxite refinery which includes inspections and b) trivially ennumerable set. 1767353;1515456729;asciilifeform;!#s china is a bug 1767354;1515456730;a111;1 result for "china is a bug", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=china%20is%20a%20bug 1767355;1515456736;asciilifeform;and yes. 1767356;1515456780;mircea_popescu;kinda why the ancient http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920246 1767357;1515456780;a111;Logged on 2014-11-13 21:27 mircea_popescu: assbot: Cloud&Heat is putting servers in homes and offices and the heat from them is free. << o look, one step closer to the bitcoin miner heating tile element. 1767358;1515456784;ben_vulpes;easier at the powerplants too 1767359;1515456793;mircea_popescu;but, human species consisting of ~morons, obviously that STILL wasn't done. 1767360;1515456794;ben_vulpes;easy to hide miners at powerplants, i mean to say 1767361;1515456816;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "easy" and "miner" goes trogether about as well as "sexy" and "fat" pair. 1767362;1515456830;mircea_popescu;ie, you need a certain unreal perspective. 1767363;1515457083;asciilifeform;i'll observe that i can't yet buy a conventional-comp-that-is-waterheater either, even though it'd be quite handy ( i already have multi-kW water heater item ) 1767364;1515457108;mircea_popescu;you'd expecvt the "watercooling" folk went that way, but neh. 1767365;1515457127;mircea_popescu;tho from an engineering pov this is quite trivial, if you look at how kitted the euro natgas heaters are... 1767366;1515457147;asciilifeform;laughably trivial. units on the market : 0. 1767367;1515457150;mircea_popescu;it'd be ~nothing to preheat the water in comp. but... why think and especially why obey when could instead go wahwahwah special cuntlet. 1767368;1515457168;mircea_popescu;that's what's the bug, "baby you can do anything!!1". 1767369;1515457217;mircea_popescu;habsburg empire was built by the knuth. the ~other~ one. 1767370;1515457223;mircea_popescu;to date there's no other way. 1767371;1515457226;asciilifeform;ahahaha 1767372;1515457265;mircea_popescu;back then, you didn't have (in the sense, you didn't perceive a batshit insane, thoroughly delusional obligation) to explain shit to the plebs. 1767373;1515457280;mircea_popescu;"it puts the cream on or it gets the knuth again" shall be the whole of the law. 1767374;1515457453;asciilifeform;but also back then it was faberge egg (i.e. craftsmanship), rather than industry 1767375;1515457461;asciilifeform;( recall the 'mass production is a bug' thread ) 1767376;1515457473;mircea_popescu;i'd call it industry rather than mass production. 1767377;1515457483;mircea_popescu;the item in "industrial revolution" has ~nothing to do with toyota. 1767378;1515457523;asciilifeform;right, e.g. cannon were mass-produced long before industry (in the mass-marketism sense) 1767379;1515457528;mircea_popescu;quite. 1767380;1515457552;mircea_popescu;they're distinct threads in human civilisation (as opposed to human culture). textile was mass produced long before it was industrialized also. 1767381;1515457584;mircea_popescu;similarily salted fish, grain, women, and a few other staples. 1767382;1515457598;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if it is a total mystery what current-day machinery produced in the ludovic-13 cannon style look like. looks like lockheed et al 1767383;1515457603;mircea_popescu;massmarketization visible from moon, by specific scar tissue around item 1767384;1515457759;asciilifeform;upstack re chinese : not clear why anybody thinks this is not the 17th (or whatver, i lost count) iteration of ck-kpss's algo for snarfing up cheap coinz ('ban', buy, 'unban') 1767385;1515457776;mircea_popescu;eh, ban my foot. 1767386;1515457789;mircea_popescu;all this self-important nonsense. "ban" don't you know. 1767387;1515457789;asciilifeform;they do it >1ce/yr nao 1767388;1515457798;asciilifeform;worx on the weakhands presumably 1767389;1515457838;mircea_popescu;i'm sure. 1767390;1515457995;asciilifeform;hey, if you have a switch that reliably moves the exch rate even slightly down, and when released -- back up -- that there's an engine. 1767391;1515458004;asciilifeform;can do work. 1767392;1515458019;asciilifeform;a sort of hydro plant powered by idjits. 1767393;1515458056;mircea_popescu;powered by your own arse. 1767394;1515458074;mircea_popescu;costs them more to run it than it makes them, but, by all means, please, more of the wahwahwah special cuntlet behaviour, i don't mind. 1767395;1515458152;mircea_popescu;people who were abused in their childhood under the guise of "education" (ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 ) fail to realise that... everything is an engine. including repeatedly stepping on a rake in the grass, or geting the plague. 1767396;1515458152;a111;Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did. 1767397;1515458197;asciilifeform;not clear to me what it costs chinese ck 1767398;1515458214;asciilifeform;all they gotta do is step on fud gas, then unstep 1767399;1515458371;mircea_popescu;well, the fanfics are in the business of credibility, generally. 1767400;1515458378;mircea_popescu;what it costs them is being taken seriously. 1767401;1515458409;mircea_popescu;(contrary to what literary personages like to pretend, there's no hardware hack for this, can parade all the missile trucks they want, it's still a literary phenomenon.) 1767402;1515458426;asciilifeform;( re ck: oblig https://songstext.ru/tekst-pesni-huj-zabej-tualet-perevod-slova-pesni/ << circa '89! even ) 1767403;1515458438;mircea_popescu;a lot has changed since the 80s 1767404;1515458465;asciilifeform;from asciilifeform's admittedly distant perch, loox as if cn knew the seekret of 'eternal '80s' 1767405;1515458467;asciilifeform;but i've nfi. 1767406;1515458484;mircea_popescu;i suspect that secret consists of alf not having looked at anything other than. 1767407;1515458493;mircea_popescu;which can't blame anyone for, it's ~junk anyway. 1767408;1515459152;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2018/01/the-trilema-article-database-a-toollet/ << The Whet - The Trilema Article Database, a toollet. 1767409;1515459170;mircea_popescu;lmao read "toilet" first pas, was like wutwutWUT 1767410;1515459188;hanbot;lol 1767411;1515459204;*;asciilifeform also! 1767412;1515459211;BingoBoingo;a toilset! 1767413;1515459297;mircea_popescu;hanbot i just looked, it's actually only 8`119. somehow. 1767414;1515459304;mircea_popescu;i confess it FEELS like 100k. 1767415;1515459322;mircea_popescu;but... maybe in time. 1767416;1515459330;hanbot;ohshit, even with all the wikileaks itams? 1767417;1515459340;mircea_popescu;wikileaks not really that big. 1767418;1515459362;hanbot;okay then. diminunizing claims! 1767419;1515459434;mircea_popescu;hanbot looked into the dewey decimal system btw ? 1767420;1515459597;mod6;evenin 1767421;1515459606;mircea_popescu;how goes mod6 1767422;1515459656;hanbot;mircea_popescu i did not. 1767423;1515459706;mod6;mircea_popescu: hey, ok! way behind on things, but otherwise good. 1767424;1515459720;*;mod6 catches up on l0gz 1767425;1515459744;mircea_popescu;i'm vaguely curious how useful this'd be, "article X includes 003/101/209/309/402/801/908 !" 1767426;1515459768;mircea_popescu;oh and 918. 1767427;1515459779;mircea_popescu;(geography and travel in south america) 1767428;1515459779;hanbot;mircea_popescu do you see a specific advantage it'd offer? 1767429;1515459793;hanbot;yeah cross-referencing could get...noodly 1767430;1515459803;mircea_popescu;well, to the sort of people who have it preloaded in their heads, it'd offer an advantage of convenience. also perhaps machine-classifiable. 1767431;1515459902;*;mircea_popescu has toyed with the idea of replacing current "Categories" with some kind of dewey-ism. 1767432;1515459910;mircea_popescu;tho it'd get gnarly. 1767433;1515459922;hanbot;also not sure it's sufficiently detailed to handle the occult topics...what is the number for anal torture? but i'll have a looksy anyhow 1767434;1515459955;mircea_popescu;(tbh, i think it's somewhat shameful the item doesn't come preloaded as a default in wordpress ; it SHOULD by rights, that's what fucking culture is about in the first place, offer the classes preloaded ffs.) 1767435;1515459975;mircea_popescu;hanbot it can get pretty fucking 9 digit detailed. i just vaguely remember the general leads 1767436;1515459982;mircea_popescu;and some narrower interest lengthier classes. 1767437;1515460043;BingoBoingo; also not sure it's sufficiently detailed to handle the occult topics...what is the number for anal torture? but i'll have a looksy anyhow << It's there. The time consuming part is the cutter numbers after the . 1767438;1515460104;hanbot;hmm. okay 1767439;1515460514;mircea_popescu;oh, this is actually BingoBoingo 's field huh ? 1767440;1515460533;asciilifeform;in other experimental noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766135 >> -gnatp ( max danger moad ) is ~2x measured speedup. 1767441;1515460533;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 23:05 asciilifeform: btw i prolly oughta have mentioned, the timing figures (not only in ch6, but all posted to date) presume that ~all~ bounds-checks remain enabled. 1767442;1515460533;BingoBoingo;Well, years ago 1767443;1515460570;asciilifeform;( see also https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.6.1/gnat_ugn_unw/Run_002dTime-Checks.html ) 1767444;1515460991;shinohai;Just read your post .... nifty work hanbot! 1767445;1515461581;mod6;asciilifeform: you're gonna do the asm unroll with the bounds checks tho right/ 1767446;1515461678;asciilifeform;unroll? 1767447;1515461731;asciilifeform;experiment was in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766136 . 1767448;1515461731;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 23:05 asciilifeform: if one is satisfied with the nonoverflowability of the array refs , under all possible inputs , it is possible to yank'em. and get order-of-magnitude speedup. 1767449;1515461761;asciilifeform;figure applies to errything. i.e. for any given nontrivial ada proggy, the cost of the checks is about 2x. 1767450;1515461834;asciilifeform;ffa is one of the very few ( i dun expect to see another ) proggies where you can prove bounds. because the array indices do not EVER depend on the inputs. 1767451;1515461897;asciilifeform;( ffa specifically. in ffa_calc, very obviously they do , in the stack mechanism . however the inner loops, i.e. 99.9999...% of the time is spent, in ffa proper. ) 1767452;1515461950;asciilifeform;this being said, whether to build with -gnatp is personal choice of the operator. not mine. 1767453;1515461956;mod6;i may be mis-remembering this, just thought there was a plan to take the disassembly and produce asm that you would then fabricate possibly? 1767454;1515461962;mod6;or did i hallucinate that? 1767455;1515461963;asciilifeform;mod6: separate project. 1767456;1515461983;asciilifeform;mod6: in a from-the-ground asming, you dun need to do the ruinously expensive synthetic carryflag thing 1767457;1515461991;asciilifeform;and yes you also get to unroll for particular bitness 1767458;1515461997;mod6;ahh gotcha. 1767459;1515462001;mod6;ok 1767460;1515462080;asciilifeform;it is worth to keep in mind that ffa is , to steal from knuth, 'for readers to read first, and for machine to execute second' 1767461;1515462107;asciilifeform;it is a simple guide to the making of sane arithmetron. that can be hand-compiled with reasonable effort to whatever arch. 1767462;1515462121;asciilifeform;without an ada compiler at all. 1767463;1515462169;asciilifeform;mod6: the discussion of disassembly was a separate one, concerning audit of 'wtf actually comes out of this-here gnat' 1767464;1515462261;mircea_popescu;in fact all code is first and foremost literary work. that (some of it) machines can run is about as interesting as which kinds of smoothies flies favour. 1767465;1515462307;asciilifeform;aha. given correct human-readables, you can always make a mechanism. but very muchly not vice-versa 1767466;1515462312;mircea_popescu;quite. 1767467;1515462561;mod6;werd. 1767468;1515462803;mircea_popescu;also re "epicycles", should prolly link http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487207 (or the other one, iirc we had a better discussion somewhewre as to how actual clocks were "hacked" over time to catch up with the moving solar function, resulting in these cvasi-organic piles of patches upon patches making the original mechanism barely comprehensible). imo the better example ; anyone who's seen a medieval clock can't help but b 1767469;1515462803;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 17:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486970 << you know, the proposition that drugs enhance the mind is not so unlikely from the proposition that hanging polished stones of various colors, dead parrots and other detritus from the weights of a grandfather clock improve its timekeeping accuracy. 1767470;1515462803;mircea_popescu;e impressed by the insanity made manifest. 1767471;1515463007;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767465 << this also serves as a better statement of naggum's "free software failed" argument. it is ~worthless to obtain access to insanity mechanized. 1767472;1515463007;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 01:45 asciilifeform: aha. given correct human-readables, you can always make a mechanism. but very muchly not vice-versa 1767473;1515463022;mircea_popescu;the point is to force the sort of people who are actually insane out of the production process entirely ; and to keep them out permanently. 1767474;1515463072;mircea_popescu;consider : if microsoft word worked correctly, I WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO READ ITS CODE. not because "oh, practically no need" but because I WOULD ALREADY KNOW WHAT IT SAID. because there's no other way to say it. 1767475;1515463086;mircea_popescu;it is, after all, a deterministic machine. 1767476;1515463129;mircea_popescu;in short, i don't want to read what sort of code apple wrote ; i want apple to never write any code again as long as any of them live. 1767477;1515463155;mircea_popescu;!#s "not glad he's dead but glad he's gone" 1767478;1515463155;a111;0 results for "\"not glad he's dead but glad he's gone\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22not%20glad%20he%27s%20dead%20but%20glad%20he%27s%20gone%22 1767479;1515463159;mircea_popescu;o rly ? 1767480;1515469895;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767477 >> https://stallman.org/archives/2011-jul-oct.html#06_October_2011_%28Steve_Jobs%29 1767481;1515469895;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 01:59 mircea_popescu: !#s "not glad he's dead but glad he's gone" 1767482;1515469923;mircea_popescu;aha 1767483;1515471198;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767408 << neato hanbot 1767484;1515471198;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 00:52 deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/01/the-trilema-article-database-a-toollet/ << The Whet - The Trilema Article Database, a toollet. 1767485;1515472198;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/lucy/ << Trilema - Lucy 1767486;1515474291;danielpbarron;oh hey 1767487;1515474306;danielpbarron;!!up l0de 1767488;1515474307;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes. 1767489;1515474363;l0de;word up 1767490;1515474372;l0de;those guys are cool on that discord 1767491;1515474378;l0de;it's just not a free speech zone 1767492;1515474390;danielpbarron;i'm in the freestyle voice now, pretty dope 1767493;1515474399;l0de;yeah there are some good rappers in there 1767494;1515474411;l0de;I'd just save religious stuff for another server 1767495;1515474418;danielpbarron;u started it 1767496;1515474419;l0de;they will eventually ban you if you go too far 1767497;1515474425;l0de;did I? 1767498;1515474432;l0de;I can't help it, I'm a troll 1767499;1515474459;mircea_popescu;anything good ? 1767500;1515474489;danielpbarron;yeah i started with some lil wayne and now they are making stuff up on the spot i guess 1767501;1515475926;danielpbarron;!!pay Birdman 0.0224535 1767502;1515475933;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gKHrb/?raw=true 1767503;1515476001;Birdman;!!pay lobbes 0.00224535 1767504;1515476007;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Q9IKc/?raw=true 1767505;1515476081;danielpbarron;you gotta wait a sec lol 1767506;1515476094;danielpbarron;also should probably get him to invoice you 1767507;1515476110;Birdman;he did 1767508;1515476124;danielpbarron;and i should had you invoice me for that matter 1767509;1515476147;danielpbarron;!!help 1767510;1515476147;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1767511;1515476150;danielpbarron;read that 1767512;1515476283;Birdman;!!balance 1767513;1515476288;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r778i/?raw=true 1767514;1515476306;Birdman;!!withdraw .0185 15FzB9hYQMPjFPpSfy9EXqkW7uKKf4LV8X 1767515;1515476311;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WeVhw/?raw=true 1767516;1515500817;shinohai;!~tadb 1767517;1515500818;jhvh1;http://thewhet.net/tadb/search.php 1767518;1515500834;shinohai;^ for those that wish to handily refer to link quickly here in forum 1767519;1515504993;mats;http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17486/houthi-rebels-release-flir-video-showing-shoot-down-of-saudi-f-15s 1767520;1515505134;shinohai;"There is a distinct possibility that the United States might have supplied the FLIR Systems turret the Yemenis claimed to have employed during this shoot down." <<<< lulzy mats 1767521;1515512206;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1767522;1515512212;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14666.54, vol: 13886.97312107 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14660.0, vol: 53272.5690337 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14817.0, vol: 3140.93582623 | Volume-weighted last average: 14668.3064546 1767523;1515512283;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Tomorrow at the meeting do you want me to inquire if the datacenter has space at their hall on the other side of town for tiny thing colo, or is that too close when measured in internet cables? 1767524;1515513183;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fullsized boxen first 1767525;1515513192;BingoBoingo;Si 1767526;1515513934;trinque;!~later tell Birdman put a 0 in front of that .0185 1767527;1515513935;jhvh1;trinque: The operation succeeded. 1767528;1515514774;BingoBoingo;lol https://www.elpais.com.uy/mundo/le-molesta-uruguayos-argentinos-punta.html 1767529;1515515075;shinohai;I'd tell them to piss off back to their own country, they can try to reclaim the Faklands if they want a vacation spot. 1767530;1515517184;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ << reviewed this yet again, mostly to include / fix ben_vulpes links and some changes to structure (merged irc bot, v impl and following the guides (which was in red before?!) all into section V, orange.) 1767531;1515517194;mircea_popescu;comments welcome! 1767532;1515517333;mircea_popescu;shinohai hanbot maybe posting the form via get would allow me to search directly ? or how'd i use this a la !#s ? 1767533;1515517415;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767519 <<< o look, when the saudis "bought" that piece of shit it ... wasn't "corruption" and the saudi state very much does not need to take measure to eliminate the "corruption" of giving usg money. it's only when non-usg gets dough that the idiot neets need to stand up and herpderp on social media about "corruption" amirite ? 1767534;1515517415;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 13:36 mats: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17486/houthi-rebels-release-flir-video-showing-shoot-down-of-saudi-f-15s 1767535;1515517453;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a good thing the usg "coallition" totally won the isis war. 1767536;1515517539;shinohai;I am pondering that mircea_popescu ... as hanbot said it would be tedious to dump a bunch of links directly to chan, so I was thinking maybe to a paste. 1767537;1515517569;mircea_popescu;mebbeh 1767538;1515517578;mircea_popescu;but how do i get my query out to it ? 1767539;1515517709;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767528 << lmao argentina coincidentally waking up to "hey, everyone thinks you're shitheads" after half a century of happy solipsism. 1767540;1515517709;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 16:19 BingoBoingo: lol https://www.elpais.com.uy/mundo/le-molesta-uruguayos-argentinos-punta.html 1767541;1515517728;mircea_popescu;PIZDI NO PILI, BITCHES! and next time say what and where you read that gave you teh existential angst. 1767542;1515518199;mircea_popescu;aand in other lulz from the meatmarkets, "lady_canesworth". 1767543;1515518290;mats;its interesting that isis has found sympathizers in south east asia, which has a syncretic islam 1767544;1515518308;mircea_popescu;mats i don't expect isis is more islamic than "fuck the us". 1767545;1515518331;mircea_popescu;but what do i know, i dun have fifty +1/+1 green beret cultural experts on the ground to write me briefs. 1767546;1515518401;hanbot; comments welcome! << you could put grabbing a chunk of trilema to index in there, possibly --though the activity doesn't force presence/participation here in chan 1767547;1515518423;mircea_popescu;hanbot like... red ? 1767548;1515518445;hanbot;anyway i used post over get because of the (3k?) char limit on get --if someone has a lot of terms to put through, the url could get ginormous 1767549;1515518460;mircea_popescu;but would they practically ? 1767550;1515518468;hanbot;mircea_popescu prolly yellow morelike 1767551;1515518477;mircea_popescu;the average log search is what, 10 chars or such. 1767552;1515518548;mircea_popescu;hanbot on meditation, i think it belongs into discreet. i think the idea is very sensitive to idiots "helping", you really don't want rando "contributing" 1767553;1515518643;hanbot;i was thinking it'd have to be checked, but sure, could open a door best kept closed, i get it 1767554;1515518682;mircea_popescu;can always waylay the possibly-useful later on, not like we don't know whose mind works. 1767555;1515518730;hanbot;true 1767556;1515518756;hanbot;anyway i'm happy to change to get so stuff can be played with. 1767557;1515518791;mircea_popescu;part of the problem is that the syntax is complex, if I want to search for something i have to remember what's what. 1767558;1515518820;mircea_popescu;re bot integration i mean 1767559;1515518869;mircea_popescu;this actually may be the like... ONE known case to date where i'd rather go to the site and click buttons than type in !~tadb comments=1&blabla 1767560;1515518989;hanbot;aha. well a lot of the options on the page atm are just an attempt to offer...more options to folks, lol. typically when i have the missing article problem with trilema it's along the lines of "what was that piece about korea, there was some history in it and a picture, and it was after 2015". not exactly an exhaustive list of checked parameters 1767561;1515519028;BingoBoingo;And this is how cutter numbers get long... 1767562;1515519065;mircea_popescu;aha. 1767563;1515519103;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the problem with books in a library isn't even that terrifying, seeing how they usually pick a topic. trilema article picks like a dozen, ikt's all about the interlinks. 1767564;1515519139;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, the argument may be brought that dewey was a terrible cost upon human culture and ~the reason us never amounted to anything : the tendency to pick a topic is not unlike the tendency to pick a gender. "i can't think now, since i'm a girl" sorta bs.) 1767565;1515519178;BingoBoingo;Right, but the insanity gets worse with the Library of congress system 1767566;1515519184;mircea_popescu;it does. 1767567;1515519258;BingoBoingo;And then there's OCLC which ends any attempt at sense and soley exists to keep catgenders employed 1767568;1515519308;mircea_popescu;in any event hanbot 's attempt actually suggests an approach to quantifying the "That the republic readily exceeds the literate production of the combine of "modern democracies" should be unsurprising ; that they sorry shelters of the stunted ever manage to reach its quality is altogether dubious." claim. 1767569;1515519323;mircea_popescu;just write out the exhaustive topiclist per item and then count links. 1767570;1515519561;mircea_popescu;ie what is informally referred to as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766620 1767571;1515519561;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 21:01 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the remarkable poverty of reference, i'd like at least for the few popitems he uses to be at the fucking least correct! 1767572;1515519599;mircea_popescu;of course, merely quantitative approaches do not work, lest you end up with a http://trilema.com/2017/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe-social-philosophy/#selection-299.0-299.217 style hacker in those entreprising new worlds bereft of any serious thought. 1767573;1515520248;BingoBoingo;!!up aegis 1767574;1515520248;deedbot;aegis voiced for 30 minutes. 1767575;1515520397;mircea_popescu;!!up knoobie 1767576;1515520398;deedbot;knoobie voiced for 30 minutes. 1767577;1515520408;knoobie;ty :P 1767578;1515520413;mircea_popescu;yw. 1767579;1515520416;mircea_popescu;and who might you be ? 1767580;1515520427;knoobie;a random! lol 1767581;1515520433;mircea_popescu;aite. 1767582;1515520462;knoobie;heard of a funny story taking event yesterday in here, so definitely decided to join... hahahah 1767583;1515520473;mircea_popescu;what was that ? 1767584;1515520549;knoobie;IRCops, trannies and funny shit.. lmao 1767585;1515520566;mircea_popescu;uh. mkay. 1767586;1515520591;knoobie;=] 1767587;1515520669;*;knoobie slaps aegis 1767588;1515520743;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot ave1 1767589;1515520743;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 3 by 3 connections. 1767590;1515520753;mircea_popescu;hows teh ada musling coming along ? 1767591;1515521736;knoobie;mircea_popescu: where you from bud? 1767592;1515521816;mircea_popescu;originally, romania. 1767593;1515521969;Birdman;!~later tell trinque why put another 0 in front of .0185? 1767594;1515521969;jhvh1;Birdman: The operation succeeded. 1767595;1515521997;mircea_popescu;cuz that's how it parses numbers lol. 1767596;1515522050;Birdman;oh, duh 1767597;1515522081;knoobie;reside in US? 1767598;1515522146;mircea_popescu;knoobie http://trilema.com/galati-yachting << guess the location. 1767599;1515522193;shinohai;^ one of my favorite trilemas for some reason 1767600;1515522212;mircea_popescu;maybe you just like the blue! 1767601;1515522214;mircea_popescu;!!up knoobie 1767602;1515522215;deedbot;knoobie voiced for 30 minutes. 1767603;1515522219;mircea_popescu;you got a rsa key knoobie ? 1767604;1515522256;shinohai;mircea_popescu's bird pics are the best ones though. 1767605;1515522272;mircea_popescu;it's fucking easy here, i think place invented birds. 1767606;1515522319;knoobie;!!help 1767607;1515522319;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1767608;1515522328;knoobie;i should register.. hey :P 1767609;1515522332;*;mircea_popescu 's favourite of the later travelpics is http://trilema.com/2017/il-coccodrillo-amico-delluomo/ 1767610;1515522340;mircea_popescu;perhaps unsurprisingly, i always liked crocodiles. 1767611;1515522486;shinohai;Their skin makes beautiful leather. 1767612;1515522496;mircea_popescu;ever heard one bray ? lol. 1767613;1515522517;shinohai;Yup, they sound like a deep huehuehue to me 1767614;1515522521;mircea_popescu;ya lol 1767615;1515522557;mircea_popescu;it's somewhat a pity internet culture settled on "troll" as the mythological beast. crocodile perhaps much better on cool examination. 1767616;1515522653;shinohai;Now you make me think of it, the crocodiles were just as entertaining to watch as the birds when I was in Florida. My trip was strictly for birds! 1767617;1515522683;mircea_popescu;those are more like aligators neh ? 1767618;1515522709;*;mircea_popescu has nfi, originally trhought new world "crocodile" poor copy, real crocodile in africa. then it turned out costa rica has actual bona fide crocodylus 1767619;1515522803;shinohai;Nah A"American" crocodiles seem to be extremely North of range in Florida, but those weird swamp people love fucking with them. 1767620;1515522829;mircea_popescu;i certainly had some aligator steak to certify the fuck with claim. 1767621;1515522851;shinohai;Was it good? 1767622;1515522854;mircea_popescu;yes, actually. 1767623;1515522893;shinohai;I did not try, only reptile I have ever consumed was the iguana in Guatemala. 1767624;1515522919;mircea_popescu;if mod6 came by all nonchalant like and was "hey, i shot a 350 lb shrimp today" what i;d expect the steak to taste like would be ~alligator. 1767625;1515523012;shinohai;mod6 would be proud of me, I managed a pair of quail the other weekend when it snowed. 1767626;1515523027;mircea_popescu;o wow, i had no idea you hunted. 1767627;1515523032;mircea_popescu;what did you shoot ? 1767628;1515523055;shinohai;I have a Winchester Model 12 1767629;1515523058;BingoBoingo; it's fucking easy here, i think place invented birds. << There's good variety here but the only photogenic motherfuckers are the pigeons 1767630;1515523060;mircea_popescu;no i mean for ammo 1767631;1515523062;shinohai;I don't go much anymore 1767632;1515523070;shinohai;00 bird cartridges 1767633;1515523139;mircea_popescu;is that 2.25mm shot ? 1767634;1515523169;mircea_popescu;like 450/oz or so ? 1767635;1515523317;mircea_popescu;!!up knoobie 1767636;1515523317;deedbot;knoobie voiced for 30 minutes. 1767637;1515523318;shinohai;^ yup 2.25 ... 1767638;1515523329;mircea_popescu;aha. yeah. 1767639;1515523436;shinohai;http://archive.is/LLtUi <<< When will Parity just fade into nothingness like slock.it ? 1767640;1515523449;mircea_popescu;wait, slock.it is no longer the bees' knees ?! 1767641;1515523476;mircea_popescu;next you're going to tell me doge isn't the new ether anymore or something! 1767642;1515523547;knoobie;bah, god i hate bots!!! 1767643;1515523576;shinohai;Doge managed to get itself back up to 100 satoshi .... still less than the 5cents xD 1767644;1515523665;mircea_popescu;knoobie what did bots did to you ? 1767645;1515523695;knoobie;mircea_popescu: we just never seem to see eye to eye on things.. lmao 1767646;1515523716;knoobie;IT not my field.. lol :P 1767647;1515523722;mircea_popescu;what is your field ? 1767648;1515523791;BingoBoingo; next you're going to tell me doge isn't the new ether anymore or something! << Hey, touched 2 billion market cap this week! 1767649;1515523801;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/09/reading-russells-wasp-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Reading Russell's Wasp In Montevideo 1767650;1515523803;knoobie;heh, used to be a stockbroker/day trader but retired at young age, now finishing it off with BTC :P 1767651;1515523805;shinohai;yay inflation! 1767652;1515523816;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo meanwhile precious cuntlet coin reached TEN FARTZILLION, so there! 1767653;1515523841;mircea_popescu;knoobie pretty cool. so what's the bot trouble ? 1767654;1515523844;knoobie;also run my own VC, just relocating to Monaco/Dubai 1767655;1515523854;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed 1767656;1515523875;BingoBoingo;knoobie: What languages do you speak? 1767657;1515523891;shinohai;Besides emoji. 1767658;1515523891;knoobie;thing wont register, keep spitting out error unable to import.. 1767659;1515523913;BingoBoingo;knoobie: You don't import it, you decrypt it 1767660;1515523957;trinque;paste the actual whole line you're sending to deedbot here. 1767661;1515523957;knoobie;BingoBoingo: English, Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, and some Turkish 1767662;1515523996;mircea_popescu;so if i follow the history correctly here, some tranny made a mistake that accidentally exposed some lie they've been telling themselves for a long time, which they couldn't cope with, so they went on the usual pantsuit bender of "trying to find the correct authority figure to whine/lie to", which resulted in some random retired stockbroker relocating to dubai in joining #trilema. 1767663;1515524003;mircea_popescu;this is like http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-i-ended-up-suing-phoenix-nap-llc-on-how-ira-r-cadwells-mom-stephanies-going-to-lose-her-chula-vista-home-on-how-marcus-bohn-is-going-to-catch-a-lot-of-shit-for-that-on-assorted-othe/#selection-199.0-217.246 all over again! 1767664;1515524059;BingoBoingo;knoobie: No Spanish? I was going to suggest Montevideo 1767665;1515524082;knoobie;BingoBoingo: Haha, unfortunately not. 1767666;1515524097;mircea_popescu;knoobie show what you're trying to do here. 1767667;1515524099;shinohai;nihil novi sub sole 1767668;1515524116;mircea_popescu;!#s "!!register" << examples 1767669;1515524117;a111;0 results for "\"!!register\" << examples", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22!!register%22%20%3C%3C%20examples 1767670;1515524121;mircea_popescu;uh, 1767671;1515524130;mircea_popescu;oh lmao 1767672;1515524133;mircea_popescu;!#s "!!register" 1767673;1515524134;a111;121 results for "\"!!register\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22!!register%22 1767674;1515524136;mircea_popescu;^^ examples. 1767675;1515524144;knoobie;ty =) 1767676;1515524166;mircea_popescu;hm where's phf go ?! 1767677;1515524170;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603632 << check out this lulzy sheit. 1767678;1515524170;a111;Logged on 2017-01-15 23:05 a111: Logged on 2017-01-15 21:47 indiancandy: !!register <だ댧卾ᅟ룱ࢤ�ᫎ䂳䯫证慢ቊ콥贐较本덁㡚࠘譂ꘪ蜈出ᜄ粘锝⛥箥戴ᷜꔐ俟组․ഒ㻒㌕낌ᥥ款ړ忲䧚뾨շ脵됾쓰娊嫥៏䙿槥晥获᷑룜巵歛踈> 1767679;1515524217;shinohai;bwahahaha 1767680;1515524228;mircea_popescu;unicode is the solution! 1767681;1515524234;mircea_popescu;we're still searching for the problem. 1767682;1515524268;trinque;the things they stuff into poar deedbot's holes 1767683;1515524275;shinohai;btw how did suit shopping go yesterday mircea_popescu ? 1767684;1515524279;shinohai;lmao trinque 1767685;1515524284;mircea_popescu;shinohai got a coupla more. 1767686;1515524390;shinohai;I still want a nice grey one, but no real tailors in area ... subpar Men's warehouse shit where all the threads fall out of seams. 1767687;1515524398;*;shinohai not falling for that again. 1767688;1515524471;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1767689;1515524711;knoobie;finally, got it registered.. 1767690;1515524718;mircea_popescu;!!key knoobie 1767691;1515524719;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/EC8D67DD86B253307B7E670718154530BCDB888A.asc 1767692;1515524726;mircea_popescu;!!rate knoobie 1 new blood 1767693;1515524728;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xEwXI/?raw=true 1767694;1515524858;knoobie;!!ratings knoobie 1767695;1515524859;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ebDIT/?raw=true 1767696;1515524870;mircea_popescu;knoobie give an hour or w/e to get through 1767697;1515524887;knoobie;ahh cool, so did i do it correctly? lol 1767698;1515524890;mircea_popescu;yes. 1767699;1515524890;knoobie;not a fan of bots at all 1767700;1515524904;mircea_popescu;why not ? they save a lot of slavegirl busywork. 1767701;1515524928;shinohai;Also useful for separating wheat from chaff. 1767702;1515524934;knoobie;they do but never really had the need for using them... 1767703;1515524951;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine how the republic would work without. 1767704;1515524971;mircea_popescu;this also is possibly the chan with the largest concentration / most bot work in the history of irc. 1767705;1515525010;knoobie;lol, Ive noticed already 1767706;1515525021;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1767707;1515525036;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1767708;1515525036;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14780.02, vol: 13335.94539176 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14763.0, vol: 46285.87161608 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14875.0, vol: 2958.93678867 | Volume-weighted last average: 14771.9225309 1767709;1515525044;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 1767710;1515525060;mircea_popescu;shinohai wouldn't it make more sense to say "please contact shinohai "? 1767711;1515525080;shinohai;But then I'd have to do some work! 1767712;1515525083;shinohai;lol 1767713;1515525083;mircea_popescu;lol k 1767714;1515525142;mircea_popescu;knoobie try your !!up skills. 1767715;1515525742;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767686 << I got lucky one time 8 yrs ago; in serious.bsns.school I went  to local Salvation Army, bought grey suit that still fits me perfectly today for.. $10! "Made in Poland" even 1767716;1515525742;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 18:59 shinohai: I still want a nice grey one, but no real tailors in area ... subpar Men's warehouse shit where all the threads fall out of seams. 1767717;1515525864;lobbes;Probably could still use some tailoring, but I feel ya with the "Not even sure where to find real taylor in US" sentiment 1767718;1515525915;*;lobbes once worked with a d00d from Jordan who always complained about the shitty state of tailors in the US 1767719;1515525982;*;shinohai wonders if he could make a fortune by becoming a pantsuit tailor ..... 1767720;1515526066;lobbes;"Genuine Pantsuit Skin! Custom fitted!" 1767721;1515526349;mircea_popescu;lobbes the lucky part in all this is that you still fit what you fit a decade ago. 1767722;1515526364;*;mircea_popescu has grown into his adult shape, no longer fits youtful suits ;/ 1767723;1515526388;BingoBoingo;Or the girlies aren't taking you on enough walks 1767724;1515526408;mircea_popescu;!!up knoobie 1767725;1515526409;deedbot;knoobie voiced for 30 minutes. 1767726;1515526419;knoobie;cheers 1767727;1515526422;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ysbut. 1767728;1515526427;mircea_popescu;knoobie so what's the problem ? 1767729;1515526435;knoobie;now i got the hang of it, but fucked up on the previous key, can i re-register a new one? 1767730;1515526446;mircea_popescu;uh. do you stillo have the old one ? 1767731;1515526447;shinohai;TOP KEK 1767732;1515526448;BingoBoingo;Fucked up how? 1767733;1515526458;knoobie;passphrase 1767734;1515526478;knoobie;must have had typo, when i specified it.. 1767735;1515526486;mircea_popescu;tsk. 1767736;1515526491;mircea_popescu;well, you'll have to make a new name. 1767737;1515526495;knoobie;(: 1767738;1515526496;mircea_popescu;and DO NOT LOSE YOUR KEYS. 1767739;1515526535;knoobie;cannot be updated? 1767740;1515526557;mircea_popescu;not without the old one. 1767741;1515526587;mircea_popescu;also see the cannonical piece on this subject, http://thewhet.net/2012/11/shall-be-delivered/ 1767742;1515526603;knoobie;heh, ill guess it, add some dyslexic typo & hopefully works out.. 1767743;1515526615;mircea_popescu;try that. 1767744;1515526616;BingoBoingo;Well, then gotta relearn once discovered 1767745;1515526634;BingoBoingo;But also read the linked material 1767746;1515526641;knoobie;yeah, reading it now 1767747;1515526695;BingoBoingo;In other fakes: "The fake passage purports to describe a scene from the early days of the Trump presidency in which the new executive expressed frustration that his television didn’t display “the gorilla channel.” When his aides “compiled a number of gorilla documentaries into a makeshift gorilla channel,” the president remained frustrated, insisting that the animals should fight one another. " 1767748;1515526711;mircea_popescu;lmao 1767749;1515526739;mircea_popescu;is this more from the "i did not vote for this" NEET channel ? 1767750;1515526766;BingoBoingo;Yes 1767751;1515526820;mircea_popescu;well, i hope at least they were bonobo or silverback or whichever alt-african-american the pantsuit wanks over. 1767752;1515526822;shinohai;If he wanted the Gorilla channel, could have just watched the security tapes from the previous administration ..... 1767753;1515526836;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 1767754;1515526849;mircea_popescu;and i ~tried~ to get the top billed zinger ;/ but... 1767755;1515526862;shinohai;>.> 1767756;1515526875;BingoBoingo;Perhaps the story is truefax and the aides suck? 1767757;1515526911;mircea_popescu;maybe he was just looking for toupee tips. 1767758;1515526925;mircea_popescu;!~tr ro to en "coafura rezista" 1767759;1515526925;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command. 1767760;1515526928;mircea_popescu;!~translate ro to en "coafura rezista" 1767761;1515526929;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: the hairstyle resists 1767762;1515526976;mircea_popescu;shinohai wouldja make it tr instead of "translate" ? i have ancestral memories from vragnaroda's bot 1767763;1515527026;shinohai;!~tr en to ro Should work now 1767764;1515527027;jhvh1;shinohai: Ar trebui să lucreze acum 1767765;1515527032;mircea_popescu;dar mersi. 1767766;1515527085;shinohai;That does make a bit more sense, good idea 1767767;1515527802;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767028 << m-r also works deterministically if one's inclined. nitpick i guess. 1767768;1515527802;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 16:24 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mN2NJ/?raw=true << whole thing in 1 .txt , for convenience. includes author's sci.crypt-style philosophizing, which is the linkworthy lul to begin with 1767769;1515527895;mircea_popescu;but anyway, author sounds like he belongs here. 1767770;1515527917;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plugging prng in the place of the rng != deterministic algo in the civilized sense 1767771;1515527933;asciilifeform;( it's a schneierism ) 1767772;1515527938;asciilifeform;but indeed author 'oughta be here' 1767773;1515527941;mircea_popescu;not what's contemplated ? 1767774;1515527954;mircea_popescu;m-r is deterministic if you exhaustively search a space of witnesses. 1767775;1515527968;asciilifeform;sun burns out first. 1767776;1515527970;mircea_popescu;the formula is in the log too, iirc, some logs. 1767777;1515527993;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not practical, but the guy said "can't"!!1 1767778;1515528007;asciilifeform;about as practical as iteration from 1 to sqrt(n). 1767779;1515528019;knoobie;must have been some serious typo on this pass phrase.. :/ & that was a good read from above 1767780;1515528044;mircea_popescu;knoobie make a new name/key and take better care of your life! 1767781;1515528090;knoobie;mircea_popescu: that was the first time i have chosen to register with a bot.. :/ 1767782;1515528105;mircea_popescu;my key, idem. 1767783;1515528195;knoobie;ehh, will create new nickname, only reason being is this channel seems, one of the more active :P 1767784;1515528210;mircea_popescu;it is. 1767785;1515528226;mircea_popescu;"# encrypttoct(): Encrypts a sequence of blocks of constant size of mb bits, on the one side applying the for RSA known method of transformation on the individual blocks, on the other side using certain commonly in symmetric block encryption employed methods, namely plaintext-and-ciphertext- block-chaining (with a pseudo-random IV). A sequence of blocks that stems from the plaintext of the user can thus be encrypted with RSA 1767786;1515528226;mircea_popescu;. (Note that this is a direct encryption of plaintext material with the help of RSA and not an encryption of a key for e.g. AES with RSA and afterwards an encryption of the plaintext with AES). Based on this function are the functions rsaencryptplaintexttoct() and rsaencryptbytearraytoct(), which process a user-given plaintext string and byte sequence respectively." << this distinction seems rathger without a difference. 1767787;1515528446;mircea_popescu;but it is worth noting he actually rests FORTY m-r witnesses. 1767788;1515528463;mircea_popescu;!~calc 4 ^ 40 1767789;1515528466;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 4 ^ 40 = 1.2089258196146292E24 1767790;1515528528;*;asciilifeform found the item by digging in re 'what is state of the art in guaranteed-prime-generators', in particular 'does anybody have anything resembling an approach to a provably uniform one' 1767791;1515528575;mircea_popescu;!#s "mok" "shen" 1767792;1515528575;a111;9 results for "\"mok\" \"shen\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22mok%22%20%22shen%22 1767793;1515528606;asciilifeform;wassat 1767794;1515528673;mircea_popescu;shinohai mind joining that bs forum and inviting the guy over, either pm http://s13.zetaboards.com/Crypto/profile/3046920/ or else leave a comment on http://s13.zetaboards.com/Crypto/post/?mode=2&type=2&f=3138&t=7234475&p=8091099&qhash=bb4bd596a5be2ea3eed10a35d11d36cb ? 1767795;1515528692;mircea_popescu;zetaboards for the love of fuck. what is wrong with people. 1767796;1515528730;mircea_popescu;"# Code lines of documents with the same version number are always identical. There may be interim modifications of comment lines. The most recent document of PROVABLEPRIME can be obtained from: http://s13.zetaboards.com/Crypto/topic/7234475/1/" << the barbarity. 1767797;1515528816;mircea_popescu;o hey there. 1767798;1515528832;mircea_popescu;"# We use c=0.005 which has been experimentally found to be optimal in processing time for common PC under MS Windows and values of k of practical interest. A different c value may be desirable for use in different computing environments." << check it out asciilifeform ! IT IS SATOSHI ALL OVER AGAIN. why. WHY!!! 1767799;1515528878;shinohai;will do mircea_popescu ... gimmie a bit 1767800;1515528879;mircea_popescu;fucking gates should be hanged by his guts ; this pestilence is his legacy upon the third world. no amount of "curing afflictions that beset the subhuman horde" can possibly compensate for having clipped the top. 1767801;1515528883;mircea_popescu;shinohai no rush. 1767802;1515528891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's even worse in the ru world 1767803;1515528893;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767676 << i've been out of commisssion since friday, and will be for another couple of days. got brought down hard with a flu, that hasn't happened to me in a while 1767804;1515528893;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 18:56 mircea_popescu: hm where's phf go ?! 1767805;1515528912;asciilifeform;where e.g. folx with 40 yrs of mathematics, honest research, etc in'em... perma-stuck in winblowz 1767806;1515528931;mircea_popescu;it's worse everywhere ; the koreans with their windows banking, /me personally observed mural dedicated to ghandi, jobs and other "great demigod-geniuses of mankind" 1767807;1515528934;mircea_popescu;fucking loathsome. 1767808;1515528939;asciilifeform;the koreans sum to ~0, whocares 1767809;1515528955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform korea is an ancienter civ than russian! and this is kievan not muscovy! 1767810;1515528966;asciilifeform;so ancient that nothing remains lol 1767811;1515528973;asciilifeform;like the wireless ukrs 1767812;1515528976;mircea_popescu;and look why. 1767813;1515529017;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "common pc", you know ? like "common people". pshaw. 1767814;1515529043;mircea_popescu;"the average gender of the human race is computer" 1767815;1515529081;mircea_popescu;phf enjoy! 1767816;1515529125;mircea_popescu;(and always remember kids -- what doesn't make you stronger, kills you.) 1767817;1515529187;asciilifeform;wtf is in a 'common pc' 1767818;1515529199;mircea_popescu;common truths 1767819;1515529202;mircea_popescu;that are self-evident. 1767820;1515529226;asciilifeform;aaapparently 1767821;1515529291;phf;well, now that the fever dropped from halucinatory 39 to a pleasant 37.5, i get to experience an mp lifestyle: i just lay in bed and all my whims are catered to :) 1767822;1515529304;mircea_popescu;dude, this is painful to read. so he correctly explains the problem with trusting the massive "pki" imperial faux-crypto, "too large to practically read, proven insecure, etc". then ? "# Both communication partners have to download the same version 3x of Python from http://www.python.org." 1767823;1515529317;mircea_popescu;motherfuckers! how about we just blame the liberals and go to sleep instead! 1767824;1515529329;mircea_popescu;phf pie ? 1767825;1515529331;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763687 1767826;1515529331;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 14:53 asciilifeform: 'hardware isn't easy to build therefore couldn't possibly be necessary, the gods would not have made this level so hard, for me, the hero' or similar. 1767827;1515529355;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's painful, jesus, guy has the right idea gets fucked anyway. 1767828;1515529380;asciilifeform;i collect these. 1767829;1515529389;mircea_popescu;crocodile. 1767830;1515529414;asciilifeform;hey i dun kill them butterflies, they die by themselves 1767831;1515529440;mircea_popescu;true enough. 1767832;1515529642;shinohai;Apply more beatings phf, then she will cater through sickness AND health. 1767833;1515529792;asciilifeform;in other oldies, seiko's 'DPU414' thermal printer, can be had for 1767962;1515534746;trinque;maybe trump called somebody. 1767963;1515534754;mircea_popescu;who, bannon ? 1767964;1515534765;knubie;make Trump great again... 1767965;1515534784;mircea_popescu;"steve is a valued part of our legacy" ouch. 1767966;1515534802;mircea_popescu;btw, in pantsuit distillate terminology is "legacy" as to the future or as to the past ? 1767967;1515534831;mircea_popescu;also what's the diff between executive chairman (ie, member of the board doing the ceo job) and ceo ? 1767968;1515534863;trinque;I'd say Trump and Breitbart owners wanted Bannon out after losing Alabama. 1767969;1515534868;trinque;as to that, americans love making up titles. 1767970;1515534924;mircea_popescu;either that or the "dumb as a brick" comment. 1767971;1515535041;mircea_popescu;either that or the "princeling is made of polenta". 1767972;1515535164;shinohai;They have to give themselves fancy titles since they can't be a part of The Most Chauvinist Serene Order Of The Holes Gloriouses 1767973;1515535263;mircea_popescu;or, possibly, the $100 tomahawk inventory burning resulting in ~0 roi of any kind. or or or. 1767974;1515535564;mircea_popescu;https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/books/review/trump-michael-wolff.html << in other lulz, the new york times now free speech fundamentalists. 1767975;1515535585;mircea_popescu;a remarkably rediscovered vocation! 1767976;1515536139;BingoBoingo;Well, until tomorrow 1767977;1515536152;BingoBoingo;Then they return to censorhabit 1767978;1515537719;BingoBoingo;https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/3787690/morbidly-obese-pregnant-woman-whose-toyboy-lover-fed-her-through-a-funnel-is-now-facing-a-desperate-battle-to-lose-weight-so-she-wont-lose-their-baby/ 1767979;1515537733;mircea_popescu;deep principled inspection! does it say "non pantsuit shouldn't be in position of power" ? FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!11 does it say non pantsuit things ? UNFORTUNATE FREE SPEECH FUNDAMENTALISM!!!! 1767980;1515537739;mircea_popescu;everything is good but not in excess, see. 1767981;1515537773;mircea_popescu;these fucktards are god's personal gift to comedy goldmines everywhere. just fields upon endless fields of permalactating lulzcows. 1767982;1515537805;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766790 << xemacs was joint work by sun and lucid, it's hard to say who's the durps here, since it was a bunch of professionals with lisp machine background trying to plug particularly nasty holes in emacs architecture (back before there even was an architecture) 1767983;1515537805;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 00:55 asciilifeform: buncha derps in 1990s ran off to mikehearn emacs, back in the day. 1767984;1515537806;knubie;BingoBoingo: wow.. 1767985;1515537910;ben_vulpes;good to see that some things never change, like BingoBoingo's taste in news 1767986;1515537956;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Just because there's far less of them here doesn't mean they have value 1767987;1515537981;phf;my read on the situation is that it's a bunch of lisp machiners taking emacs and trying to turn it into a lisp machine, and rms having a ptsd reaction to it 1767988;1515538019;mircea_popescu;the lulz are endless, "wolff is a well known hack of 0 credibility, but his current crop of nonsense confirms '''what we already know''' so tjhere is that". ah, such lulz. 1767989;1515538055;mircea_popescu;phf the only contentious portion none of the cucks addressed AT ALL is that lucid also wanted to take over. which may or may not be the right move, but utterly can't be "the one thing we don't talk about". 1767990;1515538107;asciilifeform;phf: i dunget it, wtf was so lispm about xemacs 1767991;1515538115;asciilifeform;afaik it was and is 100% dross 1767992;1515538129;asciilifeform;e.g. variablewidthfonts , jpeg support, etc 1767993;1515538130;mircea_popescu;what's your comparison point, emacs 18 ? 1767994;1515538143;asciilifeform;sure? 1767995;1515538153;mircea_popescu;the data model of period emacs painfully reminds one of original eulora. 1767996;1515538183;asciilifeform;what period. emacs today ( genuine emacs, that is ) worx exactly same as 18 1767997;1515538197;mircea_popescu;discussion is what's under the hood not how the gui feels. 1767998;1515538199;phf;that's because you don't look under the hood 1767999;1515538226;asciilifeform;mebbe because it actually works 1768000;1515538228;phf;i don't know if you've spent any significant amount of time with it, but i literally got tricked into installing xemacs first (cause x means it's gui yes?? 97 me) 1768001;1515538228;mircea_popescu;the gui focus of their endless flamewars was dumb and not particularily flattering, netiehr for the gabriel/jwz side nor for the rms+retarded eurobois side 1768002;1515538240;asciilifeform;phf: metoo actually 1768003;1515538279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orig emacs pre-dates rms. goes back into the mists of time. 1768004;1515538284;phf;but i then used it for a years, and learned elisp with it, and they were clearly making changes to elisp to make it not suck 1768005;1515538307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that may be so, but, again, have you looked at the data model ? 1768006;1515538313;asciilifeform;phf: for my enlightenment, what changes ? 1768007;1515538320;asciilifeform;because... it still sucks 1768008;1515538352;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not in detail 1768009;1515538384;mircea_popescu;this i judge as the right move, otherwise might've hanged self in despair years prior to republic. 1768010;1515538414;asciilifeform;yea the other 3 asciilifeforms prolly looked, ate nagant 1768011;1515538470;mircea_popescu;anyway, 1990s period /me "emacs is fucked, use vi, at least it's shorter and doesn't do anything" very much related to all this. 1768012;1515538489;asciilifeform;it also helps that i dun actually ~like~ emacs. i use it 'через нехочу' 1768013;1515538568;phf;asciilifeform; first class characters like in common lisp for one, proper defstruct implementation, also they clarified significantly the buffer structure 1768014;1515538597;asciilifeform;i dun see what good any of these do outside of an actual lispm 1768015;1515538620;asciilifeform;it's like that mircea_popescu article re running dishwasher from tank water 1768016;1515538627;mircea_popescu;presumably they do the good where one can at least read through and not want to hurt self ? 1768017;1515538633;asciilifeform;it wants city pressure 1768018;1515538648;phf;"hey man i just drive this tank, i don't know what makes it work" ok then. 1768019;1515538701;asciilifeform;phf: in all fairness, i barfed trying to read sbcl also 1768020;1515538715;asciilifeform;pc lisps are more or less all revolting to read. 1768021;1515538724;asciilifeform;imho. 1768022;1515538777;phf;mircea_popescu: to be fair both xemacs and emacs of that vintage are the height of readable elegance, compared to emacs of any later period 1768023;1515538807;phf;so whatever lucid did on top of emacs code was probably an improvement 1768024;1515538811;asciilifeform;phf: i'm curious re the politics of the continuing schism. what do the xemacsits and the orig-emacsists actually disagree on in modern day ? 1768025;1515538839;mircea_popescu;phf wait, which is it ? 1768026;1515538887;phf;which whach? 1768027;1515538907;phf;asciilifeform nfi 1768028;1515538909;mircea_popescu;you say a) emacs of 1990s were height of elegance andf b) whatever lucid did was improvement 1768029;1515538912;mircea_popescu;pick one ? 1768030;1515539024;phf;actually i'm not sure i can, it's been a while since i've seen xemacs internals (i.e. >10 years). the point i was trying to make is that emacs ascii is talking about is a wholy different beats from the 1990s items, which were at the very least not cancerous 1768031;1515539064;mircea_popescu;ah. i dunno, i guess not cancerous in the "but i got id saying im female" sense ; but very much had the clap. 1768032;1515539071;asciilifeform;this is tempting me to excavate ancient emacses.. 1768033;1515539103;mircea_popescu;in the EXACT http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767895 sense of, "well i dunno what to do with this data and so here's me warping a vector into a string" 1768034;1515539103;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 20:48 mircea_popescu: "# fillerchar: A chosen special filler character to be used. This character is assumed to have no occurrence in the given plaintextstring and is not alphabetical." << holyshit wat. 1768035;1515539106;phf;so emacs had some architecture, lucid took that architecture and tried making it more of a lisp machine (i.e. better foundation for writing elisp applications), then they tried pulling google.vs.linus and failed 1768036;1515539123;mircea_popescu;eh nfi, lucid tried to make it a qt app. except qt didn't exist yet. 1768037;1515539128;mircea_popescu;nfw* 1768038;1515539139;mircea_popescu;because "commercial" meant "clicker monkeys" and whatevers. 1768039;1515539148;phf;i can buy that interpretation 1768040;1515539173;mircea_popescu;and rms saw ~no value in supporting x, especially if that was going to break any more of the thoroughly broken bag of fractures they were tending as emacs 18 1768041;1515539183;mircea_popescu;besideswhich, at the time it was entirely unclear x will survive. 1768042;1515539186;phf;x was already supported in emacs by then 1768043;1515539187;mircea_popescu;imo it's a wonder it did. 1768044;1515539200;mircea_popescu;phf this term belies a variety of realities. 1768045;1515539211;mircea_popescu;"supported". 1768046;1515539232;asciilifeform;as supported as now. 1768047;1515539272;phf;nah, definitely not, now emacs has an ungodly amount of xemacsisms in it. variable sized reflowable inline objects, that are also x11 windows and such 1768048;1515539333;asciilifeform;they couldn't embrace&extinguish, so infiltrated and poisoned yea 1768049;1515539370;phf;heh, that's a twist 1768050;1515539394;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i expect the political divide is 100% xemacs will only accept merger INTO xemacs, which is to say, to get rid of rms, because he's useless / other camp can't get over "rms is useless". 1768051;1515539415;phf;i wonder of customize- facilitiy was already there by 18 1768052;1515539422;mircea_popescu;tbh and fwiw, if i ran the xemacs i would not permit rms anywhere near any sort of merged variant either. 1768053;1515539444;asciilifeform;rms is a mushroom nao, tho 1768054;1515539868;phf;for the curious emacs 18.59 2039069b where's 22.3 is 48010347b (that's just c,h and el) 1768055;1515539993;phf;and looking just at the kernel (and generously ignoring various xlibraries and shitplatforms for 22) 497576 and 1439148 respectively 1768056;1515540170;shinohai;https://lust.agency/ <<< "a goal to enable all human beings on earth to find their perfect sexual partner anonymously." What kind of sense does that even make? 1768057;1515540188;mircea_popescu;"i would like money from the internetz on my own terms kthx" 1768058;1515540221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 1990s rms, either. man was possibly the worst middle management i ever saw. 1768059;1515540248;mircea_popescu;and contrary to his grandiose aspirations (which came and went, so not uniform at least), he never was more than that, alcatel drone X on floor Y. 1768060;1515540296;asciilifeform;this is next best thing after ilf & petrov's famous 'cures foot itch, mice, and peeling paint' 1768061;1515540316;mircea_popescu;sure, he's the only one of the cuckarmy that even stepped forward etc. 1768062;1515540352;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, i can't think of any project that actually thrived under his management. systemd tard pm'd circles around a decade's worth of collected rms effort in half a year. 1768063;1515540361;mircea_popescu;this is not nothing ; even if it isn't the something one'd like it to be. 1768064;1515540374;asciilifeform;dunno that rms actually ~did~ anything in past 20+ yr. the man is a living flag. 1768065;1515540399;mircea_popescu;i can accept that terminology ; above statement becomes "of fucking course lucid didn't want an inanimate object seated in the chair" 1768066;1515540411;mircea_popescu;"nor would whatever successor today". 1768067;1515540603;mircea_popescu;phf also, the split didn't happen around 18.59, it happened around whatever the fuck it was, 18.10. there was a period when both lucid and fsf were releasing "newer" minor versions, skipping the other's. 1768068;1515540680;phf;yeah, 59 is the earliest one i have 1768069;1515540695;mircea_popescu;but that was what, 1993 ? iirc jwz item was 1991 ? 1768070;1515540726;mircea_popescu;not to mention they were both proceeding off "alpha" 19 which had been brewing at that time for at least 18 months. 1768071;1515540742;mircea_popescu;meaning you need a 1990s emacs, serious antiquariania over here. 1768072;1515540791;phf;a proper base for genesis! 1768073;1515540801;mircea_popescu;TECMAC! 1768074;1515540830;phf;heh, previous amuzing thread on mr. gabriel http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-09#1339749 1768075;1515540830;a111;Logged on 2015-12-09 21:04 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2015#1339543 << r. gabriel was the 'worse is better' guy. 1768076;1515540864;phf;oh ffs, literally down two lines down in the logs 1768077;1515540892;mircea_popescu;ok, here, jwz variant : emacs 18.48 released 18sep1987!!!! off which they started epoch, and 18.55 off which they based both 19 and through that venue lucid version 1768078;1515540902;mircea_popescu;https://www.jwz.org/doc/emacs-timeline.html 1768079;1515540909;mircea_popescu;so the point of comparison would be i guess either 48 or 55 1768080;1515540946;mircea_popescu;apparently mule was originally "nihongo emacs" ? hurr. 1768081;1515541031;asciilifeform;phf: i'd actually rather see a resurrected zwei, than ancient cmachine cruft emacs, really 1768082;1515541072;mircea_popescu;(the whole nihongo affair may be interesting to the student of high functioning autist idiocy because it's to my knowledge the only documented case of japanese being incredibly fucking dense in the sense of "dumber for being smart than if you weren't smart at all") 1768083;1515541145;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suspect this was at the time the true problem : jwz wanted to unicode the japanese way and rms didn't even understand what's being discussed (which -- major fucking failure for the role, incidentally). 1768084;1515541170;mircea_popescu;but, new stockings parade demands my presence, so bbl. 1768085;1515541511;phf;naggum was pro unicode also 1768086;1515541732;phf;mule is probably part of the greater concern within the overal situation which was japanese and unicode 1768087;1515541825;phf;japs hated unicode for own, peculiar reasons, and still mostly do. the solution they were trying to push through on emacs actually supported their peculiar use case. 1768088;1515541921;phf;oh a relevant thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-03#1513931 1768089;1515541921;a111;Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name". 1768090;1515543038;knubie;night all. 1768091;1515543796;*;esthlos is interested in what folks think of https://isocpp.org/wiki/faq/big-picture#biz-dominates-tech 1768092;1515544048;ben_vulpes;certainly suspect in that nowhere does it mention the supreme import of writing code *to be read* 1768093;1515544169;ben_vulpes;also the notion that technical issues aren't business issues simply points to the coolie-nature of the typical cpp slave likely to read such pap. certainly not the case where i'm concerned; the quality of code and systems delivered and maintained are of the *utmost* concern to the biz. 1768094;1515544206;ben_vulpes;!#s if you're reading it it's for you 1768095;1515544207;a111;11 results for "if you're reading it it's for you", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=if%20you%27re%20reading%20it%20it%27s%20for%20you 1768096;1515544247;esthlos;I was wondering what happens if you replace "software development" with "physics", and see it that way. 1768097;1515544284;esthlos;but could counter with: proper replacement is "engineering" 1768098;1515544341;ben_vulpes;well if you ship machines with a screamingly loud resonance because you took the pressure-hood's line feed directly off the air bearings feed lines without damping reservoirs most likely your office will never be tasked with anything other than sustaining work ever again 1768099;1515544384;ben_vulpes;which is the opposite of the cppmeatfield where a thing going over budget and timeline simply results in bigger budgets and longer timelines 1768100;1515544411;ben_vulpes;because software is a 1768101;1515544414;ben_vulpes;!#s lemon market 1768102;1515544415;a111;16 results for "lemon market", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lemon%20market 1768103;1515544714;esthlos;yep, that sounds right 1768104;1515544760;ben_vulpes;btw mircea_popescu: any lolz ever fall out of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767245 or did it fade away in horror at the magnitude of the task of even determining wtf tmsr is 1768105;1515544760;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 18:32 Swant: Because from what some other users have told me it's for buying and selling porn... 1768106;1515544788;ben_vulpes;'it' btw useful pronoun for wot nonpeople 1768107;1515544888;shinohai;Careful ben_vulpes, you might trigger it 1768108;1515544918;phf; "lord vulpes, drunk with power, shooting the coolies from the back of his veranda" engraving, ca 2017 1768109;1515544943;shinohai;lol 1768110;1515544968;phf;the esteemed gentelman of the Inquisition is still with us, and, at present, is retired 1768111;1515544982;ben_vulpes;oh i'm well aware! 1768112;1515545028;shinohai;From today's trilema update "Bear in mind that it is deemed unethical within the Republic to write code if you haven't actually learned how to write it first, and that orcs' claims to have taught you something often turn out fraudulent upon examination." 1768113;1515545034;ben_vulpes;phf: sadly all i have is a porch roof, bb gun, and alley full of squirrels and the occasional methwitch 1768114;1515545088;ben_vulpes;shinohai: where is this? 1768115;1515545105;shinohai;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#selection-155.2-159.18 1768116;1515545143;ben_vulpes;aah 1768117;1515545173;phf;besides it's only legal to discharge arms within portland city limit if you're participating in some sort of non-marijuana drug related activity 1768118;1515545302;ben_vulpes;you have to be a velo, actually 1768119;1515545346;ben_vulpes;brandishing deemed legitimate self-defense if you can unholster without falling over 1768120;1515545449;phf;huh, the world is a large and complicated place 1768121;1515545539;ben_vulpes;casual violence against sharing-economy cucks also encouraged 1768122;1515546068;mircea_popescu;phf iirc naggum was very anti-mule 1768123;1515546195;phf;right, anti-mule, pro-unicode 1768124;1515546236;mircea_popescu;well, it's not clear to me his position was ever pro-unicode outside of a platonic object unicode was about as much as smgl was. 1768125;1515546256;mircea_popescu;"computers should do things" "yaaay" "here's the things" "OMFGWTFBBQ" 1768126;1515546326;mircea_popescu;anyway, jwz's own history, self-serving as it is, nevertheless seems accurate to me : mule is what was left once all the inept 1768127;1515546342;mircea_popescu;nihongo they could figure out how to amputate was snipped. 1768128;1515546396;phf;right, platonic unicode, i think it was more aligned even with common lisp's notion of character object or somesuch, than what the spec actually become. i think he might've ranted somewhere about ms fucking it up and such 1768129;1515546421;mircea_popescu;right, basically his internal, sadly unvoiced position was "oh, unicode is what you kids wanna call native lisp character model ? mmkay, i r agree" 1768130;1515546461;phf;hah, you know that might be the gift of his delusion 1768131;1515546467;phf;err gist 1768132;1515546504;mircea_popescu;jesus that phrase came out hard to parse. let's parens : (well, (it's not clear to me ((his position) was ((ever pro-unicode) (outside of a (platonic object (unicode (was about as much (as smgl was))))) 1768133;1515546542;phf;you calling me esl! 1768134;1515546585;mircea_popescu;phf which is the fucking problem with the sort of mind. by avoiding to correctly order output (ie, most significant byte first!!) and ESPECIALLY by failing to correctly filter output (least controversial part is filtered, least copacetic part is passed, NOT the other way around!!!) is what mires technical discussions altogether. 1768135;1515546604;mircea_popescu;phf not you, but future me. i will be senile one day, in 2075, and i might need to read this. 1768136;1515546717;phf;i think somehow lisp symbols tie into this, i'd call it sanskrit thinking, because you also see that a lot in sanskrit. let's attach as much meaning to this symbol as we possibly can, but when we speak the correct meaning will be communicated because the other person is also a vedic god 1768137;1515546734;mircea_popescu;anyway, speaking of roman numeral systems, the dumbest thing about writing is that , doesn't come with a symmetric-comma. 1768138;1515546739;mircea_popescu;NOT EVEN UNICODE HAS IT. i looked. 1768139;1515546790;mircea_popescu;phf in principle and up to a certain degree this can be pulled off. but the management of that degree tree is i'd say the principal job of cultural management. because holy shit the failure modes. 1768140;1515546796;phf;so he might be saying ishvara, but the pleb is going to hear yahve. he should be expecting significant misunderstandings further down the communication 1768141;1515546818;mircea_popescu;have you noticed how chock full of this trilema is btw ? 1768142;1515546829;mircea_popescu;if i say jew right now it's not even possible to figure out what i mean. 1768143;1515546846;asciilifeform;oblig alt-orccode: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689141 1768144;1515546846;a111;Logged on 2017-07-22 21:11 asciilifeform: at the cost of a bit of log clutter, let's indulge asciilifeform's crackpottery, and lay out 妓 ( U+5993 : whore ) : 1768145;1515546890;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768091 << seems to me entirely contenfree. 1768146;1515546890;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 00:23 esthlos is interested in what folks think of https://isocpp.org/wiki/faq/big-picture#biz-dominates-tech 1768147;1515546939;phf;Send Trump there with a one-way ticket? 1768148;1515546950;phf;err, that was wrong paste buffer 1768149;1515546953;mircea_popescu;lmao 1768150;1515546966;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768140 << this was the 'natural stupidity and artificial intelligence' thread 1768151;1515546966;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 01:13 phf: so he might be saying ishvara, but the pleb is going to hear yahve. he should be expecting significant misunderstandings further down the communication 1768152;1515546978;asciilifeform;with the 'suggestively named tokens' 1768153;1515547027;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the doctrine that "alternative interpretations fall off as the tree is built" has two major weaknesses : a) you'd be surprised how often there's an unexpected fault in the dielectric and b) you'd be surprised how often people get caught in emo insanity. 1768154;1515547066;asciilifeform;plox to expand? 1768155;1515547076;mircea_popescu;let's formalize. 1768156;1515547141;mircea_popescu;suppose you have a set of symbols S1..Sn each with meanings Mij, i in n j in k. suppose you have a grammar G which has one function : if adding element Sx to a string made of q S, it permits you to discern which Sij are thereby invalidated. 1768157;1515547169;mircea_popescu;the interpretative theory (T) states that for all possible strings there is at most one M per present S. those which have exactly 1 for all S are called well formed ; the rest malformed. 1768158;1515547200;mircea_popescu;the PROBLEM with this constructive view of hermeneutics is that a) often G fails in its function and that b) just as often people fail to correctly apply it, impredictably and unreasonably. 1768159;1515547256;mircea_popescu;"cultural management" discussed above is in this model the curation of permissible M overload on given Sn and the construction of G such that T is maintained. 1768160;1515547432;mircea_popescu;a very strong ideal property of this is given in http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#selection-245.1-238.5 ; which is a large part of the problem and also serves as illustration -- who the fuck knew that random whore story from 2014 is actually an expose on generative grammar. 1768161;1515548057;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> if mod6 came by all nonchalant like and was "hey, i shot a 350 lb shrimp today" what i;d expect the steak to taste like would be ~alligator. << yeah, probably would! 1768162;1515548076;mod6;<+shinohai> mod6 would be proud of me, I managed a pair of quail the other weekend when it snowed. << niiiiice! 1768163;1515548126;mircea_popescu;(in the story it's just used to characterize the male character as omnipotent ; but as literature is never divorced from ideology...) 1768164;1515548144;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah i hope he lemon-buttered those with artichokes. 1768165;1515548146;mod6;i went hunting on sunday and the dog flushed up what I thought was a hen. was a hawk, eating a hen! 1768166;1515548165;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, yeah, that'd be great 1768167;1515548171;mircea_popescu;o god. did you actuasllyu shoot it ? 1768168;1515548221;mod6;na. i saw it get up, had it in my sight picture, could have pounded it. was only like 10 yds from me. but when i saw the tail feathers fan out, i let off. 1768169;1515548224;mod6;can't shoot those here. 1768170;1515548225;shinohai;I did lemon-butter them, asparagus, no artichokes :/ 1768171;1515548250;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768104 << nfi, not been following that closely. 1768172;1515548250;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 00:39 ben_vulpes: btw mircea_popescu: any lolz ever fall out of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767245 or did it fade away in horror at the magnitude of the task of even determining wtf tmsr is 1768173;1515548301;mod6;but yah, anyway, was pretty unreal. haha. 1768174;1515548308;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah, they were protected in old country most places also, it was the #1 trimmer of noob hunters. "don't wait to see what you're shooting, get a falcon, spend 2 weekls explaining self to forest guard" 1768175;1515548324;mircea_popescu;well, the not retarded ones, anyway. the retarded ones'd just shoot their own dog or w/e. 1768176;1515548333;mircea_popescu;shinohai works! 1768177;1515548400;mod6;mircea_popescu: aha. 1768178;1515548447;*;mircea_popescu knew hunt dog grower who wouldn't even sell to noobs. "how am i supposed to get a dog ?" "first get some experience" "doing what" "hunting" "how am i going to do that without a dog ?" 1768179;1515548451;mircea_popescu;well... get married i guess ?! 1768180;1515548465;mod6;lol 1768181;1515548476;mircea_popescu;"it's not fair!!!" "yeah, but at least it's safe." 1768182;1515548549;mod6;yeah, no sense in letting a good dog go to waste 1768183;1515548574;mircea_popescu;well, especially with small shot, it's a mess. just takes nine weeks to die or some unseemly shit like that. 1768184;1515548600;mircea_popescu;admittedly back then veterinarian surgeons were a lot less common. 1768185;1515548654;phf;now if only they applied same principles to dog sales as well 1768186;1515548656;mod6;ugh, yeah. i'd just put it down/shoot it if it was suffering. 1768187;1515548661;phf;*in general rather 1768188;1515548665;mircea_popescu;phf this was ah. 1768189;1515548678;mircea_popescu;you think this, go visit argentina then see. 1768190;1515548684;mircea_popescu;i think it's where dogs go to hell. 1768191;1515548725;shinohai;Nah that's Asia 1768192;1515548731;shinohai;>.< 1768193;1515548737;mircea_popescu;mebbe 1768194;1515548767;*;shinohai wonders what the oriental fascination with torching dogs alive is .... 1768195;1515548782;mircea_popescu;i dunno that's oriental. 1768196;1515548787;phf;oh yeah india was pretty bad, there they don't have any use for dogs. though cats there fair even worse 1768197;1515549025;phf;on the lulzy side i can't get over american thing of keeping dogs and picking up their shit. i spent new years in upper east side, and was sitting at a small cafe one morning, watching these posh old ladies in expensive furs one after another scooping up little turds after their tiny beasts 1768198;1515549043;mod6;haha 1768199;1515549061;mircea_popescu;isn't that the weirdest shit ? good thing democracy gave 'em civil rights an' shit, i'd take scooping dogshit over subsistence hunting any day!!1 1768200;1515549089;mircea_popescu;in other zekworld, anyone saw the incrrreedibly neet-stupid film i saw today ? 1768201;1515549100;phf;this is the first time i actually got to witness the entirety of the ritual (accidentally the cafe was in front of patch of grass, and i guess it was sufficiently cold that old ladies didn't want to go all the way to the park) 1768202;1515549108;mircea_popescu;taking bets / proposals / suggestions of wtf it is till i publish. 1768203;1515553602;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/lay-the-favorite/ << Trilema - Lay the Favorite 1768204;1515554665;mircea_popescu;"Manipulations of public opinions are understandably also among the general activities of the surveillance agencies [9], which at least partly explains the wild and bizarre discussion styles sometimes seen in certain Usenet groups and Internet forums." 1768205;1515554668;mircea_popescu;:) 1768206;1515554946;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone wanna do a steganobot ? here's the spec : upon receiving a link to a pastebin, the bot picks a random tumblr image, doctors it, and links it. 1768207;1515554966;mircea_popescu;(on its own tumblr page, why the hell not) 1768208;1515555212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as wat, performanceart? 1768209;1515555226;mircea_popescu;as tumblr. 1768210;1515555237;asciilifeform;( for what is open air stego good ? ) 1768211;1515555251;mircea_popescu;what exactly do you propose is weakned here ? 1768212;1515555259;mircea_popescu;someone's gonna keep a list of all the tumblr images ? 1768213;1515555299;asciilifeform;which bit-stuffing scheme ? 1768214;1515555308;mircea_popescu;at the choice of the implementer 1768215;1515555334;asciilifeform;it hides nuffin if known. there exists no 'asymmetric stego'. 1768216;1515555345;mircea_popescu;what do you mean, specifically ? 1768217;1515555362;asciilifeform;i couldve sworn we had the thread 1768218;1515555369;mircea_popescu;link ? 1768219;1515555400;*;asciilifeform digs.. 1768220;1515555407;mircea_popescu;or restatement, or anything. 1768221;1515555416;asciilifeform;!#s stego 1768222;1515555417;a111;57 results for "stego", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=stego 1768223;1515555479;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-31#1357724 << the bare fact. but pretty sure we did a detailed one 1768224;1515555479;a111;Logged on 2015-12-31 21:59 ascii_rear: problem with all stego is that it runs exactly counter to standardization 1768225;1515555495;mircea_popescu;i sitll don't know what the objection here is. 1768226;1515555548;asciilifeform;let's rewind a little 1768227;1515555555;mircea_popescu;k 1768228;1515555568;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: describe roughly what the bot would do 1768229;1515555625;mircea_popescu;1. i say !S http://pastebin ; 2. bot searches for an image ; 3. bot embeds the pastebin in image ; 4. bot publishes the new image to its tumblr acct. ;5. bot links image here. 1768230;1515555719;asciilifeform;this is not hard to do ( with e.g. the classical 'rewrite the low bits of r,g,b' algo ) but not clear to me what it accomplishes 1768231;1515555761;mircea_popescu;well, suppose there's a (pompously named) "adversary", which is to say some group of lamers with delusions of self-importance, like say the (pompously named) united states government. 1768232;1515555781;mircea_popescu;confronted with this bot, said group of lamers has a choice : either ignore it, or else start going around with copies of my tumbler account. 1768233;1515555795;mircea_popescu;mandatory tumbler following by nsa ? seems like a decent lulz. 1768234;1515555813;mircea_popescu;let all porn i put in the chan be preserved forever as a matter of "national security" by all teh national-whatevers, why not. 1768235;1515555816;shinohai;The filthier porn you put it in the better? 1768236;1515555820;shinohai;:D 1768237;1515555822;mircea_popescu;perhaps ? 1768238;1515555829;asciilifeform;iirc they already believe in 'evil jpeg stego everywhere' 1768239;1515555830;mircea_popescu;who even knows what's behind the nipple! 1768240;1515555847;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cool, so let it be foremost-er. 1768241;1515555849;asciilifeform;and dutifuly collect the pron aha 1768242;1515555874;mircea_popescu;so what are they gonna do, store piles of usb sticks at all airports and compare everyone's laptops for evil mp porn ? 1768243;1515555878;mircea_popescu;would be pretty cool actually. 1768244;1515555886;mircea_popescu;but in practice... 1768245;1515555961;mircea_popescu;suppose "employee" wants to steal "secrets" from nsa hq. a) encrypt to rsa key ; b) put in tmsr tumblr bot ; c) carry vacation pics back and forth. problem ? 1768246;1515555968;mircea_popescu;"oh, we will look for the strings". which fucking strings ? 1768247;1515555987;mircea_popescu;"this picture contains sicritz in it" "does the lightbulb contain martian dataz also ?" 1768248;1515555991;asciilifeform;would be interesting if there were a way to stuff them bits that isn't screamingly obvious 1768249;1515555997;mircea_popescu;why ? 1768250;1515556014;mircea_popescu;let it be obvious. the only thing it does is it makes it more demoralizing to the would-be eve. 1768251;1515556021;asciilifeform;( the typical low-bit thing , is readily detectable even if you have nfi re the payload ) 1768252;1515556032;mircea_popescu;i dun mandate a scheme. 1768253;1515556047;asciilifeform;ah if in that sense then - what i said earlier. performanceart. 1768254;1515556059;mircea_popescu;all social behaviour is performance art. 1768255;1515556296;shinohai;http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/picture.jpg <<< Can find text in this photo? 1768256;1515556321;mircea_popescu;"do me" ? 1768257;1515556351;shinohai;lel 1768258;1515556370;mircea_popescu;human society ~exists since the dawn of time as "men finding text in images of women" 1768259;1515556378;mircea_popescu;hail mary full of textual contents. 1768260;1515562909;mod6;hehehh 1768261;1515562913;mod6;i like the bot idea 1768262;1515564572;mircea_popescu;yee 1768263;1515565408;lobbes;!~later tell Birdman hm, payment didn't seem to go through >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767503 1768264;1515565408;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 05:33 Birdman: !!pay lobbes 0.00224535 1768265;1515565409;jhvh1;lobbes: The operation succeeded. 1768266;1515565504;trinque;lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767505 1768267;1515565504;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 05:34 danielpbarron: you gotta wait a sec lol 1768268;1515565544;trinque;looks like he was too quick with the hot potato 1768269;1515565640;lobbes;aha 1768270;1515565789;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768136 << for the record, that's ~exactly the cause of my http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/ barf. "this is not a language and is not capable of supporting thought ; proceed without me." 1768271;1515565789;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 01:11 phf: i think somehow lisp symbols tie into this, i'd call it sanskrit thinking, because you also see that a lot in sanskrit. let's attach as much meaning to this symbol as we possibly can, but when we speak the correct meaning will be communicated because the other person is also a vedic god 1768272;1515565858;mircea_popescu;basically early google bubble "search", let's hack speech into a broken device that can only be used to communicate to those people we have nothing to say to. 1768273;1515565974;mircea_popescu;(fwiw i always suspected that's the deep core of the pantsuit fascination with "eastern philosophy" : "o look, a cultural space fundamentally as self-alienated as we ourselves feel inside! THIS IS THE RIGHT BRAND OF EMO FOR MY NEEDS!".) 1768274;1515586585;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1768275;1515586592;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14049.7, vol: 19139.52240169 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13896.0, vol: 52677.20701355 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14010.0, vol: 4120.37539151 | Volume-weighted last average: 13940.9249072 1768276;1515586650;BingoBoingo;me voy a cita, hope to return with news and numbers 1768277;1515587895;shinohai;Buenas dias BingoBoingo, suerte y nos veremos! 1768278;1515592099;BingoBoingo;They gave me a lead on refurb equipment and should be emailing numbers my way for review 1768279;1515592106;BingoBoingo;In other news: https://freedom.press/news/tribute-james-dolan-co-creator-securedrop-who-has-tragically-passed-away-age-36/ 1768280;1515592116;mircea_popescu;o.O 1768281;1515592119;knubie;hey everyone 1768282;1515592125;mircea_popescu;ello 1768283;1515592147;BingoBoingo;Buen dia! 1768284;1515592519;mircea_popescu;lmao check out the end of branding : exhibit a) https://image.ibb.co/j22296/00055d92_2889_72b3_714a_437ae2701953_958.jpg ; exhibit b) https://archive.is/jtYAL 1768285;1515592542;*;mircea_popescu wonders what "just a guy trynna make it in dis game" is gonna do. 1768286;1515592734;shinohai;1/10 would not follow her up the stairs. 1768287;1515592759;mircea_popescu;do you understand she's the equivalent of a "very smart kid", ie, 1.5 or so standard deviations up from the average ? 1768288;1515592763;mircea_popescu;if not her, then whom. 1768289;1515592821;shinohai;Some girls are smart enough not to advertise their trashiness with gaudy tattoos 1768290;1515592836;mircea_popescu;well yeah, but in that prison stairwell... 1768291;1515592858;mircea_popescu;(i imagine that's not what she tells herself it is, but look at that institutional shit. it'd better be.) 1768292;1515592915;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, leaving the talent aside, as who the fuck even cares, grass for the scythe : the ~entrepreneurial young & coming photographer~! which the fuck one of the numerous "mista photographies" expended the resources to produce this artefact. 1768293;1515592996;mircea_popescu;there was a time (not so long ago!) when EVERY mark was known by ~everyone ; and not knowing one was perceived as a subjective lack not as an objective deffect ; and the whole shebang paid well. today i couldn't even order more of "his stuff" if i wanted to, putting in question the very possibility of "his" in "his stuff" and moreover the justification of labour or economic activity generally. 1768294;1515593005;mircea_popescu;a string of five random letters provides him with DOZENS of collisions. 1768295;1515593009;mircea_popescu;!~calc 27^5 1768296;1515593012;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 27^5 = 14348907 1768297;1515593021;mircea_popescu;as it must. but god DAYUM! 1768298;1515593476;BingoBoingo;Aha, the branding superiority saga repeats 1768299;1515593902;BingoBoingo;And in other movements https://www.elobservador.com.uy/una-rebelion-whatsapp-contra-el-isis-uruguayo-y-los-comunistas-mierda-n1158082 1768300;1515593934;mircea_popescu;o right, cuz in latam what isis means is ~commies. 1768301;1515593999;BingoBoingo;AHA, and CUBANS! 1768302;1515594059;mircea_popescu;"Yet SecureDrop would not currently exist without James, and he deserves all the commendation in the world for making it what it is today." << i'll need a primer on this, what "is it today" ? 1768303;1515594116;BingoBoingo;And that is truly the mystery 1768304;1515594168;mircea_popescu;~obscure website nobody uses because http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718478 1768305;1515594168;a111;Logged on 2017-09-30 00:18 mircea_popescu: reality winner and her wannabe qntra friends constructed her own subhumanity. 1768306;1515594260;mircea_popescu;"James’s encyclopedic knowledge of computer and network security was a key reason why newsrooms were comfortable adopting SecureDrop when it was still seen as something relatively new and unknown." what THE FUCK are we talking about, am i in some kind of reality distortion field ? 1768307;1515594324;BingoBoingo;Back to the other subject and efficacy https://www.elobservador.com.uy/a-lo-hiroo-onoda-se-quedaron-esperando-un-piquete-que-nunca-llego-n1158070 1768308;1515594333;mircea_popescu;this shit reads exactly like old soviet side jokes about the great production and utter penury. 1768309;1515594368;BingoBoingo;As far as I can tell, SecureDrop was some sorta pantsuit thing Gawker and a couple other derpedias advertised accepting 1768310;1515594401;mircea_popescu;but reality winner happened... afterwards ? iirc this event was post 2013, and "became what it is today" 1768311;1515594449;mircea_popescu;"usg made the us army into what it is today" "you mean a useless piece of shit, janissary corps 2.0 ?" "yeah!" 1768312;1515594470;BingoBoingo;Well, that's what it is today. It is thing derped much about and they celbrate the accreted derp 1768313;1515594526;mircea_popescu;better story, "dood took 80% pay cut trying to make a secure drop thing work ; failed because ustards are retarded ; naggumed self". 1768314;1515594538;mircea_popescu;next time, find the republic instead. 1768315;1515594601;BingoBoingo;Perhaps naggumed "self" after finding bug needing fix that handlers didn't want fixed? Threatened defection to Republic and all? 1768316;1515594620;mircea_popescu;who even knows. 1768317;1515594655;BingoBoingo;Hopefully the next one has the sense to defect to the republic before thumbing nose at old handlers 1768318;1515594676;BingoBoingo;But UStardation likely too deep for that. Gotta play seekrit Agent 1768319;1515594717;mircea_popescu;hey, it costs me ~nothing to keep reading the obits. 1768320;1515594933;BingoBoingo;Are you sure? Are the laffs worth it compared to other laffs you could be having? Like laffs on the seekrit beach 1768321;1515594986;mircea_popescu;well i dunno i can just add everything to opportunity cost, the fact that the sun's not a cube may overshadow all these considerations. 1768322;1515595052;BingoBoingo;Well yes, everything else is opportunity cost taking away from the critical sun cubing effort. 1768323;1515595107;mircea_popescu;but, in any case, salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the self-same drowning. 1768324;1515595141;BingoBoingo;The sooner we cube the sun, strap it to a pallet and abscond the more time it will take the terrans to realize the TMSR was the alien invasion after all 1768325;1515595155;BingoBoingo;But yes, gotta cought the water or not cough 1768326;1515595303;BingoBoingo;Anyways latest rumor taking the alt-alt by storm is USG's obvious preparation for fake alien invasion. 1768327;1515595336;mircea_popescu;is this the "fema is storing bullets" thing again ? 1768328;1515595410;BingoBoingo;It's the someone dug through cold war freedom of information act'd plans and filtered through through NASA's recent hype over weird space rocks 1768329;1515595439;BingoBoingo;Or it's marketing for the ongoing undeath of the X-files 1768330;1515595446;mircea_popescu;heh 1768331;1515595457;mircea_popescu;or it's unsourced tlp copy/paste. 1768332;1515595515;mircea_popescu;ie "But they have to go to therapy because the clinic requires it because Medicaid requires it (integrated care), and the patients need the clinic because that's how they're getting their SSI, not to mention the Zannies. The docs need them to come because that's how they earn their living, and the government allows this because it needs someone to deal with American poverty until either we discover cold fusion or the aliens 1768333;1515595515;mircea_popescu;invade. The government doesn't tolerate this, it doesn't turn a blind eye towards it, it explicitly allows it. The only thing it forbids is billing for a service not performed (e.g. ghost patient.)" and all that. 1768334;1515595524;BingoBoingo;At this point the marketing cancer is too advanced to tell 1768335;1515595543;mircea_popescu;apparently cold fusion too hard, quantum computers failed to deliver, so... 1768336;1515595571;knubie;http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/educaor-wants-julian-assange-out-of-london-embassy/news-story/8bdae0186186d3906d2a062258e762e4 <<< heh, wonder what will be the next move.. 1768337;1515595608;BingoBoingo;Hey, Elon Musk "lost" a DoD satellite according to widely reported rumours and innuendos. Let the ambiguity reign 1768338;1515595635;mircea_popescu;lel, didn't they steal his "social media" recently 1768339;1515595684;BingoBoingo;Only certain thing is that noone wants to be a goat at scaping time. 1768340;1515595700;knubie;mircea_popescu: think so.. feel bad for the guy, his really copped it last few years, his slowly camouflaged into an Albino 1768341;1515595752;mircea_popescu;ironically, "conviction" of imaginary rape in sweeden would have resulted in better living conditions and 5 years is truly excessive anyway. 1768342;1515595782;mircea_popescu;general rule being that it's always much better to openly mock the fucktards than to take them seriously. 1768343;1515595937;shinohai;Maybe Venezuela will take him and he can mine their new fiat cryptocurrency 1768344;1515596001;mircea_popescu;ie, between approach 1, where 2012 assange'd have told anders perkelev he's a retarded cuck and should be ashamed of himself in fromt of teh HD, ended up ~maybe~ convicted of the swedish equivalent of http://trilema.com/2011/americanii-au-disperata-nevoie-de-un-sut-in-cur/ and told same anders perkelev in 2015ish that a) he's still just as much of a retarded cuck as he was in 2012 and b) meanwhile he's also a retarded cuck wh 1768345;1515596001;mircea_popescu;o LOST, publicly and humiliatingly 1768346;1515596038;mircea_popescu;would have delivered much better results in 2018 than the path actually taken, 2), where assange sat in cramped ecuador embassy quarters for five years and got a ~toilet paper roll's worth of pompous "un declarations". 1768347;1515596060;mircea_popescu;perelman had enough fucking sense to tell the ustards where to shove their soiled tp, assange somehow not bright enough to figure it out ? 1768348;1515596075;mircea_popescu;shinohai i thought theirs was refined not mined. 1768349;1515596099;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "educaor" lulz bonus. 1768350;1515596116;shinohai;Maduro announced around Xmas they are making a altcorn "backed by oil, gas, gold and diamond reserves" 1768351;1515596127;mircea_popescu;maduro has nfi what anything is, does he. 1768352;1515596154;shinohai;http://archive.is/aNV2b <<< The lulz announcement 1768353;1515596323;shinohai;This is what happens when you elect socialist bus drivers to be your leader. 1768354;1515596697;knubie;shinohai, in a bit may need a hand to finish off from last night :P 1768355;1515596744;shinohai;Finishing work costs extra, those rubber gloves ain't gonna buy themselves. 1768356;1515596808;knubie;lol, what doesn't cost these days.. >:) 1768357;1515596977;shinohai;I jest, just pm me when you are ready, I'll be around somewhere this morning. 1768358;1515597112;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768272 << i suspect that sanskrit is what the end of the 'greek whisks of meaning' road looks like, however. 1768359;1515597112;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 06:30 mircea_popescu: basically early google bubble "search", let's hack speech into a broken device that can only be used to communicate to those people we have nothing to say to. 1768360;1515597210;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768306 << it was a kind of tor, i.e. usg-engineered transparent 'tool for opposition' . d00d presumably was showing symptoms of blowing the idiocy up, got nailgunned. 1768361;1515597210;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 14:24 mircea_popescu: "James’s encyclopedic knowledge of computer and network security was a key reason why newsrooms were comfortable adopting SecureDrop when it was still seen as something relatively new and unknown." what THE FUCK are we talking about, am i in some kind of reality distortion field ? 1768362;1515597295;mircea_popescu;hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BcuDd/?raw=true (for your convenience the porn has been separated packagedly : http://78.media.tumblr.com/170f77ec94cff4028a6380d9a0d92317/tumblr_ne5pvy04Al1tatbbfo1_400.gif ). 1768363;1515597305;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768313 << approx same 'trying to' as tor. it was exactly same type of pkitronic nonsense, and fooled nobody with even basic degree of literacy 1768364;1515597305;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 14:28 mircea_popescu: better story, "dood took 80% pay cut trying to make a secure drop thing work ; failed because ustards are retarded ; naggumed self". 1768365;1515597326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is likely true ; certainly the latter sophist episode in greekworld gives much support to theory. greek advantage over original gypsies is just being small and so T manageable. 1768366;1515597349;asciilifeform;greek advantage, as far as i can tell, is 'die reasonably young, leave good-looking corpse' 1768367;1515597369;mircea_popescu;these two are ~same. 1768368;1515597375;asciilifeform;yea 1768369;1515597460;mircea_popescu;note however the evident egyptian relation : same process, just as small, accompanying feats of reason, and died of old age. 1768370;1515597494;asciilifeform;they did not afaik have the language thrust 1768371;1515597503;asciilifeform;( recall what passed for a language there ) 1768372;1515597511;mircea_popescu;it's an open matter. 1768373;1515597611;mircea_popescu;but -- let it be said that alphabet mega tool on this road. yes perhaps "end of road" looks unappealing, but it makes hella difference what you travel in. 1768374;1515597700;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767590, slow and frustrating, I'm currently trying to get gprbuild up and running, so far no success 1768375;1515597700;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 17:59 mircea_popescu: hows teh ada musling coming along ? 1768376;1515597719;mircea_popescu;(yes they have a cvasi-alphabet, but a) it has 500 "letters" or some shit and b) it was invented about at the same time as emacs split) 1768377;1515597743;mircea_popescu;ave1 there were some complaints/discussion of this, such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766187 1768378;1515597743;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 04:53 esthlos: issue resolved by moving to 2016 ada 1768379;1515597937;TomServo;As far as failures go, this one is pretty great: https://archive.is/FueB0 . 1768380;1515597971;mircea_popescu;heh. amusingly, twas in the logs. 1768381;1515597979;ave1;Yes, I've looked at that, gprbuild uses an internal function that should be in 2016 but seems to be missing, so I'm rebuilding everything from scratch 1768382;1515597983;TomServo;Doh, I missed, apologies. 1768383;1515598007;ave1;(also like gnat, gprbuild 2016 needs gprbuild to build etc) 1768384;1515598030;mircea_popescu;ave1 detailed notes of the adventure would be rather useful. 1768385;1515598041;ave1;yes, I will make a write-up 1768386;1515598050;mircea_popescu;xool 1768387;1515598053;BingoBoingo;In other news, somebody call Blofield: NVIDIA GPUs appear to be vulnerable to SPECTRE 1768388;1515598059;ave1;(currently also writing up my adventures in building ch1) 1768389;1515598066;mircea_popescu;just as xool. 1768390;1515598070;knubie;TomServo: ouch, costly mistake 1768391;1515598184;TomServo;And here I was giving giving OSTK credit for /supposedly/ keeping the bitcoin income rather than using bitpay like everyone else. 1768392;1515598202;mircea_popescu;heh. 1768393;1515598215;mircea_popescu;that's ok, im sure coinbase will make them whole etc. inca dun steal from itself. 1768394;1515598220;mircea_popescu;only from you. 1768395;1515598248;shinohai;TomServo: Naturally Brian Krebs is now taking credit for this from anyone that will listen 1768396;1515598263;TomServo;shinohai: And making donations to charity! 1768397;1515598320;shinohai;:D 1768398;1515598395;asciilifeform;ave1: which 2016 ? adacore's, or gpl ? 1768399;1515598410;asciilifeform;the latter, in so far as i can tell, is ~complete rubbish 1768400;1515598465;asciilifeform;( can be made to work, with a week's worth of hand-holding, on a particular system, for some values of 'particular system' , then will break later when you step on a previously-unknown mine ) 1768401;1515598537;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768383 << this here is the real problem. with ~everything. 1768402;1515598537;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 15:26 ave1: (also like gnat, gprbuild 2016 needs gprbuild to build etc) 1768403;1515598555;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761765 to quote from classics. 1768404;1515598555;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 15:31 zineKing: Respected for his contribution, for founding GNU. 1768405;1515598568;asciilifeform;none of the extant systems , of ANY kind, have anything resembling a sane bootstrap process. 1768406;1515598576;asciilifeform;not even plain-c gcc. 1768407;1515598644;mircea_popescu;but that is ok because. 1768408;1515598658;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'gcc' fork of gnat isn't even a gnu product in the usual sense. as far as i can tell , it is made lock stock and barrel of the adacore gnat , but with some dr.mengele treatments 1768409;1515598677;mircea_popescu;as opposed to which portion of the "gnu ecosystem" 1768410;1515598688;*;mircea_popescu braces self for "emacs" 1768411;1515598691;asciilifeform;as opposed to , say, the rest of gcc 1768412;1515598709;asciilifeform;which dates back to the long-forgotten era when the mushroom still had hands 1768413;1515598739;BingoBoingo;lol 1768414;1515598788;mircea_popescu;that era is falling through the floor rapidly. 1768415;1515598956;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768395 << kinda the fate of the muppets, go about pantomiming events to the crowd of hunchbacks. "oh, minstrel invented the city of worms!!1 punch and judy are the original queen of england!!" 1768416;1515598956;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 15:30 shinohai: TomServo: Naturally Brian Krebs is now taking credit for this from anyone that will listen 1768417;1515599098;BingoBoingo;BRB, language learning adventure time 1768418;1515599142;BingoBoingo;Hopefully will return to numbers and writing from the data center. 1768419;1515599493;mircea_popescu;o hey, so corp all reg'd and everything ? nice. 1768420;1515601354;shinohai;"Bitcoin Candy (CDY) is a new chain forked from Bitcoin Cash at the height of 512666. The original BCH holders will be compensated with 1000 CDY for every BCH held. " 1768421;1515601356;shinohai;lmao 1768422;1515601380;mod6;sams 1768423;1515601382;mod6;*scams 1768424;1515601402;shinohai;"Block 512666" <<< Easy there, Satan 1768425;1515601503;shinohai;Aside from that one, we have Bitcoin Smart and Bitcoin Interest within ~2 weeks 1768426;1515601539;asciilifeform;shinohai: what's in that last one ? lemme guess, 'pays interest' 'from satoshi's coinz' ? 1768427;1515601581;shinohai;"Bitcoin Interest ("BCI") is a frictionless global payment system focusing on three key areas Technology, Community, and Savings. Our payment system has a new integrated savings technology that allows our users to park their coins and earn interest. " 1768428;1515601634;shinohai;(Source: https://www.bitcoininterest.io/) 1768429;1515601732;asciilifeform;this is a pretty lulzy crackpotism actually 1768430;1515601756;asciilifeform;'Every Bitcoin Interest ("BCI") block has two rewards; 12.5 BCI coins are generated for the miners for their participation in solving the block, and an additional 1.08 BCI coin reward is generated and sent to the interest pool to facilitate interest payments. This is achieved through what we call, "Enhanced Proof of Work" using the Equihash algorithm. The interest pool reward will start at 1.08 BCI coins and will decrease to 0.54 BCI 1768431;1515601756;asciilifeform; coins as our block height increases. This setup will ensure that interest payments are always available for those that choose to participate in parking their BCI coins.' 1768432;1515601822;asciilifeform;'...If I was to park 100 BCI coins for the entire duration of the round, and there were a total of 1000 BCI coins parked, then I would receive 10% of the interest pool...' 1768433;1515601838;asciilifeform;'...When you decide to park your BCI coins you agree to not move your coins until the current round has ended. If you choose to move your BCI coins before the round has ended, you will not receive an interest payment...' 1768434;1515601855;asciilifeform;so sorta like the old proof-of-stake nonsense but with 'new' flavour, somehow 1768435;1515601882;shinohai;Now with moar socialisms 1768436;1515601899;asciilifeform;aha, miners mine so that derps get phree payola 1768437;1515601937;asciilifeform;( which, sadly enuff, is not so distant from classical bitcoin's 'noders node at own expense so that miners get payola'... ) 1768438;1515602152;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768427 << sounds like someone went on a dumpster rampage, rescued ye olde solidcoin 1768439;1515602152;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 16:26 shinohai: "Bitcoin Interest ("BCI") is a frictionless global payment system focusing on three key areas Technology, Community, and Savings. Our payment system has a new integrated savings technology that allows our users to park their coins and earn interest. " 1768440;1515602158;mircea_popescu;anyone recall those ancient lulz ? 1768441;1515602166;shinohai;Actually here is one that does away with that shit and goes straight for PoS: http://www.bitcoinlite.us/ 1768442;1515602168;mircea_popescu;just as "will take over bitcoin" as mit's later identical insanities. 1768443;1515602168;asciilifeform;oh hah is that what it was. 1768444;1515602177;asciilifeform;i recall it only from mircea_popescu's description. 1768445;1515602181;asciilifeform;( oughta be in the logs somewhere ) 1768446;1515602182;shinohai;bwahahaha Solidcoin 1768447;1515602199;shinohai;I wasn't here for those lulz was still in heathendom 1768448;1515602214;mircea_popescu;recall, his pow was flawed so he had this scheme whereby you'd "Deposit" your coins and basically get to write the blockchain for it. 1768449;1515602239;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48581.0 <<< 2011 !!!! 1768450;1515602255;asciilifeform;shinohai: pretty speshul, complete with msword-misformatted 'whitepaper' 1768451;1515602262;mircea_popescu;oya 1768452;1515602284;mircea_popescu;you know, just like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767798 1768453;1515602284;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 20:13 mircea_popescu: "# We use c=0.005 which has been experimentally found to be optimal in processing time for common PC under MS Windows and values of k of practical interest. A different c value may be desirable for use in different computing environments." << check it out asciilifeform ! IT IS SATOSHI ALL OVER AGAIN. why. WHY!!! 1768454;1515602294;asciilifeform;'In next-generation crypto world there is no more need to use overpriced mining hardware, or take a loan to pay your electricity bill. There is much more efficient and eco friendly way to get FREE coins called STAKING. So you still helping the system verifying transactions and getting your free coins, while using just your personal laptop/ipad or a PC !' 1768455;1515602302;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1768456;1515602326;mircea_popescu;also in next generation fuck world there's no need for strip clubs, autist bois get it via tube in their garage 1768457;1515602345;asciilifeform;https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/7987570.gif << oblig STAKING 1768458;1515602386;shinohai;That is indeed Proof of Stake asciilifeform ..... here, have 1 million phree Draculcoin 1768459;1515602402;asciilifeform;hey recall mircea_popescu's 'proof of tooth' coin. 1768460;1515602426;mircea_popescu;sadly pot is actually better than pow in all respects. 1768461;1515602477;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768160 << haha well this answers http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767425 then. 0 useful. 1768462;1515602477;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 01:23 mircea_popescu: a very strong ideal property of this is given in http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#selection-245.1-238.5 ; which is a large part of the problem and also serves as illustration -- who the fuck knew that random whore story from 2014 is actually an expose on generative grammar. 1768463;1515602477;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 01:02 mircea_popescu: i'm vaguely curious how useful this'd be, "article X includes 003/101/209/309/402/801/908 !" 1768464;1515602489;mircea_popescu;heh 1768465;1515602603;asciilifeform;lol 'solidcoin' was a closed binturd?! 1768466;1515602608;mircea_popescu;yup 1768467;1515602621;asciilifeform;prettygreat. 1768468;1515602627;mircea_popescu;yup, as epic as could be had. 1768469;1515602636;mircea_popescu;that and the "bcrypt best crypt on the market" dorks. 1768470;1515602651;mircea_popescu;(the original cause for adlai friend's blacklisting in the bitcoin community, that scam) 1768471;1515602652;asciilifeform;didn't somebody do a hardware shitcoin? i.e. 'you must buy THIS box...'? or did i dream it. 1768472;1515602672;mircea_popescu;kinda stopped at yubikey/electrum looselet. 1768473;1515602679;asciilifeform;yea but that ain't quite it 1768474;1515602682;mircea_popescu;(formerly known as electrum wallet) 1768475;1515602689;asciilifeform;picture a chumpatron where 'you gotta have THIS here magic chip to mine...' 1768476;1515602786;asciilifeform;considering that microscopy costs ~= toyota, a circus like that could easily carry on, 'under the radar', for several years. 1768477;1515602801;mircea_popescu;kinda what yubikey was/is 1768478;1515602806;mircea_popescu;admitting anyone still thinks it's a thing 1768479;1515602817;asciilifeform;i thought that was a 'store yer password in this-here magic thumbdrive' thing. 1768480;1515602823;mircea_popescu;well ? 1768481;1515602846;asciilifeform;it ain't a coin scam , it's an umpteenth shit chinesium comp peripheral 1768482;1515602857;mircea_popescu;right. same diff. 1768483;1515602876;asciilifeform;by that token , asciilifeform's 'it crashed' flashlight was same thing, lol 1768484;1515602880;mircea_popescu;yup 1768485;1515602881;mircea_popescu;isn't it ? 1768486;1515602927;asciilifeform;not quite. ( i thought about discussion the difference in the orig chumpatron article, but cut it ) : there are , to borrow from algorithmics, 'linear' and 'superlinear' chumpatrons 1768487;1515602962;asciilifeform;linear is , e.g., selling 'rabbit' hats made of roadkill, or flashlights which fall apart, or ~100% of what chinese export is, really 1768488;1515602977;mircea_popescu;since the chip you discuss could be made out of extant bitcoin miner + yubikey arrangement, they must both be just as linear 1768489;1515602989;asciilifeform;i.e. every chump gets scammed for whatever pocket change he was going to spend on a flashlight that day 1768490;1515603014;asciilifeform;to round off the crackpottery, 'superlinear' is when the chumps deposit their dough, but afterwards ~go home to get more~, to bring friends, etc. 1768491;1515603045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every complex mechanism is made of simpler ones. 1768492;1515603056;asciilifeform;does not mean that they are all equivalent. 1768493;1515603076;mircea_popescu;yes ; all assemblages of cogs are gearboxes not electronic computers. 1768494;1515603085;mircea_popescu;but do go on, example of "superlinear" ? 1768495;1515603099;asciilifeform;any ponzitron, for example. 1768496;1515603112;mircea_popescu;in that it sells ideals not reals ? 1768497;1515603155;asciilifeform;in that it is a resident infection in chump's head. rather than a 'nyahaha, i sold you a cutting board painted as ipad, and i'ma run faster than you can catch' 1768498;1515603186;asciilifeform;and right, ideals. 1768499;1515603192;mircea_popescu;how is "you got a nutria sable hat" not similarly infective ? 1768500;1515603225;asciilifeform;it could be, if the 'sable hat' is sufficiently convincing, that victim goes and gets whole village to line up and buy 'cheap sables' 1768501;1515603230;mircea_popescu;quite. 1768502;1515603234;mircea_popescu;like say, "college education" 1768503;1515603244;mircea_popescu;an ideal pretending to be a real. and convincingly, it'd seem. 1768504;1515603252;asciilifeform;usually self-limiting infection, tho, when the villagers go out to sell these 'cheaps' dearer, they run into folx who can tell the diff 1768505;1515603326;asciilifeform;hey did mircea_popescu ever write a piece about 'collegism' and the prev ver of very similar scam in 18th c. poland ? 1768506;1515603347;asciilifeform;where they ended up with ~20% of population having 'titles of nobility' with 0 real fief to go with ~any of it 1768507;1515603361;mircea_popescu;similar discussion embedded re both argentina and marriage/fertility 1768508;1515603365;mircea_popescu;but i dun think poland specifically. 1768509;1515603384;mircea_popescu;but yes, that's how "pan" got to mean "sucker" 1768510;1515603402;asciilifeform;there may have been other folx who shot themselves in the foot on similar scale, but i can't think of who other than the poles 1768511;1515603430;mircea_popescu;hey, "modern democracy" man imagines self some kind of 17th century french noble, has all the problems of same and none of the resources. 1768512;1515603442;mircea_popescu;~50% of argentina is lawyers. 1768513;1515603448;mircea_popescu;they are illiterate, but letrados. 1768514;1515603449;asciilifeform;modern yes. q was re premoderns. 1768515;1515603481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform scotland was going to be polonial cower! 1768516;1515603486;mircea_popescu;went over well... 1768517;1515603700;shinohai;But to me, the best of the day comes from the Ethtards: "RocketICO is the world’s first decentralized accelerator based on the DAO concept, where startups interact with experts and investors" 1768518;1515603708;shinohai;Also "Detects scam ICOs" 1768519;1515603729;mircea_popescu;on the basis of google's latest fakenews engine ? 1768520;1515603893;shinohai;Likely 1768521;1515603945;shinohai;They have some chic in a chatbox on their website supposedly, imma link her to: http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/ 1768522;1515603963;mircea_popescu;why not the tits thing ? 1768523;1515603966;mircea_popescu;make a penny at least. 1768524;1515604069;shinohai;Even better! 1768525;1515604100;mircea_popescu;inb4 it's a scam chick, really accts manned by worthless 20something dudes, O NOES 1768526;1515604204;shinohai;Looking at site js, it has canned reply that comes up like most of these sites. 1768527;1515604214;mircea_popescu;awww 1768528;1515604242;mircea_popescu;but i'm sure it's not fraudulent because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767533 1768529;1515604242;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 17:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767519 <<< o look, when the saudis "bought" that piece of shit it ... wasn't "corruption" and the saudi state very much does not need to take measure to eliminate the "corruption" of giving usg money. it's only when non-usg gets dough that the idiot neets need to stand up and herpderp on social media about "corruption" amirite ? 1768530;1515604271;mircea_popescu;"only first ammendment issue when http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767974 ; otherwise -- FREE SPEECH FUNDAMENTALISM!!11" 1768531;1515604271;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 22:06 mircea_popescu: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/books/review/trump-michael-wolff.html << in other lulz, the new york times now free speech fundamentalists. 1768532;1515604277;shinohai;!~display 46.101.112.62 1768533;1515604277;jhvh1;shinohai: No GeoIP information found for 46.101.112.62 1768534;1515604297;shinohai;^ London ip space tho 1768535;1515604311;mircea_popescu;shinohai digital ocean 1768536;1515604410;shinohai;"Hello Caroline, since this useless token will fail just like the DAO and leave you unemployed, I was wondering if I might interest you in: http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ? " 1768537;1515604415;shinohai;YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED 1768538;1515604422;mircea_popescu;wait what ? 1768539;1515604457;shinohai;Guess they don't like opportunities! 1768540;1515604467;mircea_popescu;lulzy. 1768541;1515604552;mircea_popescu;but, i guess all the 36yo suicides gotta come from SOMEWHERE. 1768542;1515606397;knubie;lmao @ tits link 1768543;1515606543;shinohai;For lulz and only for the luz knubie 1768544;1515606575;mircea_popescu;knubie think about it this way : the only reason 3-4bn women live in poverty today is that they are TOO FUCKING DUMB to pick free dough off the ground. 1768545;1515606578;knubie;yeah, i noticed.. lol funny shit.. but i swear one of them looks so familiar 1768546;1515606596;knubie;mircea_popescu: totally agree with you on that one 1768547;1515606608;mircea_popescu;definitive cap on any possible "social security" discussion ever ; and, obviously, none of the proponents feel any sort of impetuus to address the item that ended their fanfic. 1768548;1515606680;shinohai;Sooner is better than later, as mp says .... the reward used to be 10 whole bitcents 1768549;1515606690;knubie;If it was back to late 90's & early 00's that list would be huge... 1768550;1515606714;asciilifeform;hey iirc we even have folx who were offered ~whole~ coin, and continue to not show ( taleb ? ) 1768551;1515606727;mircea_popescu;yes but the non-statistical argument much weaker. 1768552;1515606757;mircea_popescu;shinohai pretty sure originally it was like a coin or somesuch, in 2014. 1768553;1515606761;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hossat 1768554;1515606763;asciilifeform;*how 1768555;1515606800;knubie;lmao, it's a good PR move for BTC... 1768556;1515606805;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "social policy" argument discusses "people" as a statistical construct ; and it is entirely sunk by the pay-for-tits item, exactly like how darwinism ends creationism or qm ends nm. 1768557;1515606819;mircea_popescu;but as far as single individual is concerned, well, they can forego profits for all sorta reasons. 1768558;1515606824;mircea_popescu;!!up Covale 1768559;1515606824;deedbot;Covale voiced for 30 minutes. 1768560;1515606836;mircea_popescu;not nearly same strength. 1768561;1515606865;mircea_popescu;"maybe taleb has been on a monster bender since 2014, hasn't yet read it". etc. 1768562;1515606868;knubie;Titties tag: 6bb9 1297 is the funniest shit ever.. 1768563;1515606876;mircea_popescu;why ? 1768564;1515606885;knubie;the thumbs up & wicked smile 1768565;1515606890;mircea_popescu;ah 1768566;1515606900;knubie;cannot hide the joy 1768567;1515606920;mircea_popescu;yeah, some great chicks in there ; kinda goes to show that the http://trilema.com/2018/lay-the-favorite/ or http://trilema.com/2018/lucy/ style retards never win out. 1768568;1515606949;mircea_popescu;but then again if one needs such ellaborate proofs that anxious behaviour is improductive... 1768569;1515606958;shinohai;I'm still convinced there is some Romanian magic in that article 1768570;1515606973;mircea_popescu;how's that work ? 1768571;1515607018;shinohai;I met one of the girls and all her hot friends! Though only one came back to participate iirc 1768572;1515607033;mircea_popescu;a 1768573;1515607101;knubie;back in the day, IRC was flooded with females.. 1768574;1515607115;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768556 << there was some old essay , from early days of linux , re 'there once was the command line' or sumthinglikethat, that had a line 'you can give away free jagdtigers , and nobody will believe, no one will come for them, toogoodtobetrue' 1768575;1515607115;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 17:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "social policy" argument discusses "people" as a statistical construct ; and it is entirely sunk by the pay-for-tits item, exactly like how darwinism ends creationism or qm ends nm. 1768576;1515607125;mircea_popescu;i think still is, but this particular network is more like technocuck than pure irc. 1768577;1515607144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except the whole thing's quite plainly and publicly documented. 1768578;1515607153;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of the first, it's a matter of the 100thst. 1768579;1515607176;mircea_popescu;moreover jagdtiger cost of ownership is pretty huge. 1768580;1515607183;asciilifeform;e.g. FUCKGOATS is also 'plainly and publicly documented'. number of detectable clones made : 0 1768581;1515607189;asciilifeform;and it ain't a jagdtiger... 1768582;1515607195;mircea_popescu;yes but narrower usercase for FG than for dough. 1768583;1515607200;asciilifeform;tru 1768584;1515607308;asciilifeform;i gotta point out that the cost-of-ownership for even a centibitcoin , is not 0 either 1768585;1515607309;*;trinque went and squatted efnet #trilema, but they don't have any notion of chanserv, can't register. 1768586;1515607400;Covale;hello 1768587;1515607415;asciilifeform;Covale: who might you be ? 1768588;1515607446;Covale;a stranger, pretty much. used to get on here every now and then years ago 1768589;1515607460;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656097 << recall that ? also "free for the taking", not taken because hurr, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764080 1768590;1515607460;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 01:15 mircea_popescu: gutenberg statistics ? 24 downloads for regrets sur ma vieille robe de chambre. in a fucking decade. because, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653782 1768591;1515607460;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 17:59 mircea_popescu: here it goes : "did you know, women, that before pantsuited hilarity clinton was invented, you had problems XYZ ? and that afterwards, these were resolved ?" "nope" "we'll... it's all recorded for all enternity-till-year-end on jezbel" "Where is this wonder ?" "oh, DO WE REALLY STILL HAVE TO ?!?! IN 2018 ?!?! WE'VE ALL MOVED PAST THAT!!!" 1768592;1515607465;asciilifeform;Covale: ever consider reading the logs ? 1768593;1515607503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ? for one thing can immediately trade it for honda ; for the other thing can just let sit in deedbot. 1768594;1515607533;Covale;did that every now than. but I also read this earlier: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-bitcoin-is-worth-exactly-0-and-blockchain-might-be-very-valuable-2018-01-09?link=sfmw_fb 1768595;1515607544;mircea_popescu;lol still with this ? 1768596;1515607555;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768503 << altcoins, 'responsible disclosure' 1768597;1515607555;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 16:54 mircea_popescu: an ideal pretending to be a real. and convincingly, it'd seem. 1768598;1515607566;Covale;was wondering what you´d make of it, hence why I´m here 1768599;1515607579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ftr i think we're in the midst of a http://oglaf.com/humans for past wk or so 1768600;1515607590;trinque;lol 1768601;1515607591;mircea_popescu;Covale low effort nonsense, failed to mean anything back in 2015, subsequent rehashes sorta like subsequent hillary clinton bids. 1768602;1515607607;ben_vulpes;Covale: tard alarms should have fired at unqualified use of "blockchain" as a noun 1768603;1515607637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, first type of imperial scar tissue is "oh, cult" ; but 2nd type is "oh, famous". 1768604;1515607644;mircea_popescu;one way or another, teh narrative'll try an' spin. 1768605;1515607677;Covale;by the way, who on earth would already register this nickname ? 1768606;1515607687;Covale;I literally never thought of it until like 5 days ago... 1768607;1515607687;mircea_popescu;maybe you ? 1768608;1515607692;mircea_popescu;!#s from:covale 1768609;1515607692;a111;0 results for "from:covale", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Acovale 1768610;1515607696;asciilifeform;what i mean is, several new faces, but wholly matching the pattern of 'i'ma decimation-style greek choir here, nobody will notice that i only post redditola, take no part in projects or actual discussion, etc' 1768611;1515607699;Covale;I wasn´t on IRC for years man 1768612;1515607722;Covale;by the way hello mircea_popescu :) 1768613;1515607726;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, what's the rush. 1768614;1515607737;mircea_popescu;Covale so used to come by as what nick then ? 1768615;1515607743;knubie;Covale: Vote Oprah 1768616;1515607750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no rush. but gotta put it in therecordz. 1768617;1515608049;knubie;az buche vede glagol 1768618;1515608118;asciilifeform;knubie: kirill & mifodiy are three doors down.. 1768619;1515608199;knubie;Saints Cyril and Methodius ? 1768620;1515608232;knubie;:P 1768621;1515608309;asciilifeform;!#s from:knubie 1768622;1515608309;a111;36 results for "from:knubie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aknubie 1768623;1515608328;mircea_popescu;!!up Covale` 1768624;1515608328;deedbot;Covale` voiced for 30 minutes. 1768625;1515608527;Covale`; Covale: Vote Oprah - I can´t :( 1768626;1515609406;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1768627;1515609412;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14573.79, vol: 18960.07387646 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14485.0, vol: 57984.97278647 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14616.0, vol: 4091.38344133 | Volume-weighted last average: 14512.3881289 1768628;1515610178;shinohai;Covale` missed the golden opportunity to register as Covfefe 1768629;1515610295;shinohai;!!up Covale` 1768630;1515610295;deedbot;Covale` voiced for 30 minutes. 1768631;1515614414;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other ffa noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18610 1768632;1515614586;knubie;!!up Covale` 1768633;1515614587;deedbot;Covale` voiced for 30 minutes. 1768634;1515614782;asciilifeform;!~later tell apeloyee http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18611 1768635;1515614782;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1768636;1515614792;shinohai;Mah standards! 1768637;1515615046;asciilifeform;!!up from_ffa 1768638;1515615047;deedbot;from_ffa voiced for 30 minutes. 1768639;1515615068;asciilifeform;from_ffa: hello ? 1768640;1515615083;from_ffa;hello 1768641;1515615092;asciilifeform;from_ffa: who might you be ? 1768642;1515615105;ben_vulpes;inb4 "just a person" 1768643;1515615133;from_ffa;a regular lurker of the chan. just started to muck around with your ffa series 1768644;1515615142;from_ffa;have a q for mod6 1768645;1515615157;asciilifeform;from_ffa: post it, he'll answer when he wakes up 1768646;1515615173;asciilifeform;from_ffa: and please consider getting a name, and registering with deedbot, 1768647;1515615174;asciilifeform;!!help 1768648;1515615174;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1768649;1515615232;from_ffa;I already did a few years back. and yes, the gpg key is at hand 1768650;1515615244;from_ffa;t'was just in a hurry 1768651;1515615250;asciilifeform;from_ffa: so please consider logging in 1768652;1515615279;asciilifeform;think of it this way, would you rather converse with a person, or with a talking piece of pavement ? 1768653;1515615284;from_ffa;v.pl[v9994]:L398 -> `rm -rf $press[0]` if -d $press[0]; 1768654;1515615301;from_ffa;so is it really necessary to nuke the dest dir when pressing a vpatch? :| 1768655;1515615316;ben_vulpes;yes, one does not press a patch, one presses a tree. 1768656;1515615332;ben_vulpes;if you want to patch an existing tree, the patch util is to your left 1768657;1515615332;asciilifeform;because of the retarded way in which gnupatch behaves ( it tries to merge, even though v ~explicitly~ forbids the CONCEPT of merge ) it is necessary 1768658;1515615438;from_ffa;at any rate, if I run "v.pl p ~/workspace ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch" I expect to find ffa alongside all other projects. not an empty workspace dir with ffa in it 1768659;1515615451;from_ffa;consider at least documenting this, please :) 1768660;1515615489;*;from_ffa now off to muck around with gpg and an irc client 1768661;1515615505;ben_vulpes;coarse error in pilotage? 1768662;1515615514;asciilifeform;oh ffs did v.pl rm -rf ~ this poor d00d 1768663;1515615524;ben_vulpes;appears yeah 1768664;1515615531;ben_vulpes;at least ~/workspace 1768665;1515615548;from_ffa;nothing serious, everything was versioned. but yea 1768666;1515615823;asciilifeform;prolly it oughta have a 'dir exists' eggog, rather than a delete 1768667;1515615855;asciilifeform;!!up BigTexasBingo 1768668;1515615855;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. 1768669;1515615892;BigTexasBingo;Any more experienced travelers know what the deal is with Latinas and their mothers? 1768670;1515615927;BigTexasBingo;Not just the locals, but a Dominican now too! 1768671;1515616101;ben_vulpes;well share a story, BigTexasBingo 1768672;1515616189;BigTexasBingo;Story later, but short is find a Dominican for language immersion and get introduced to the mother at a time I would call too soon if it wasn't how every chica seems to operate here 1768673;1515616228;asciilifeform;BigTexasBingo: you might want to store the benjies in a sealing, smellproof container, i think they can smell'em 1768674;1515616230;asciilifeform;like dogs 1768675;1515616237;BigTexasBingo;Brb, adventure! 1768676;1515616259;BigTexasBingo;U no tengo benjies, tengo jacksons 1768677;1515616264;asciilifeform;them also 1768678;1515618478;shinohai;In Soviet Russia, password hack YOU: https://password.kaspersky.com/ 1768679;1515618527;*;shinohai wonders how many people running noscript have actually entered something there. 1768680;1515619838;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768634 << not like "entirely and clearly wrong", but may be a tall milkglass to drink, this. 1768681;1515619838;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 20:06 asciilifeform: !~later tell apeloyee http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18611 1768682;1515620647;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768658 << i don[' get it, can't afford a directory ? or expect the directory be provided ? or what is the actual issue here ? 1768683;1515620647;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 20:17 from_ffa: at any rate, if I run "v.pl p ~/workspace ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch" I expect to find ffa alongside all other projects. not an empty workspace dir with ffa in it 1768684;1515620903;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> at least ~/workspace << i gotta dig this up from the logs. but older versions of v.pl actually *would not* over-write the original dir, would fail and say 'dir exists' or something. 1768685;1515620962;mod6;based upon some commentary (going by memory here) lead us to the decision to delete the press directory even if it existed and then create a new directory even with the same name and re-press. 1768686;1515620968;mod6;i'll go dig it up. 1768687;1515621163;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626770 1768688;1515621163;a111;Logged on 2017-03-14 04:35 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i suppose alternatively could just say DO NOT PRESS TWICE! DELETE DIR BETWEEN PRESSES. << agree. there obviously needs to be a check in there - if the press directory already exists, warn the user and stop. 1768689;1515621169;mod6;thread begins here ^ 1768690;1515621199;mod6;if this behaviour should be changed, before next release, now is the time to get your opinions heard. 1768691;1515621290;mod6;from_ffa: sorry I missed ya on here. but for now, yeah, that behavior is intended. 1768692;1515621519;mircea_popescu;mod6 eh, user can just read the v as god meant, know what it does, etc. 1768693;1515621545;mod6;and also, fwiw, that change did not make it into the normal v document. but did end up in the changes list in the email. i'll have to make a note to add that to the doc. 1768694;1515621546;mircea_popescu;can't run around changing ~your~ v to match obscure config expectation of userbase ; high time userbase gets literate and walks out of the "i just wanted to" mindset. 1768695;1515621566;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-March/000260.html << orig email, see section 0x03 1768696;1515621571;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768672 << they have an unsanitarily close relation to their mothers. 1768697;1515621571;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 20:29 BigTexasBingo: Story later, but short is find a Dominican for language immersion and get introduced to the mother at a time I would call too soon if it wasn't how every chica seems to operate here 1768698;1515621878;mod6;mircea_popescu: aha. fair enough. 1768699;1515621931;mod6;I try to keep docs up to date. And add protections where they are needed. Hopefully my vtron is, over time, getting better. Not worse. 1768700;1515621938;mod6;It's a work in progress. :] 1768701;1515624065;shinohai;!!up Jautenim 1768702;1515624065;deedbot;Jautenim voiced for 30 minutes. 1768703;1515624133;Jautenim;mircea_popescu my issue is that I had a wrong expectation wrt the press operation and cut meself a finger 1768704;1515624156;mircea_popescu;well apparently also had correctly set up table, plugged it right back. 1768705;1515624162;mircea_popescu;so good for oyu. 1768706;1515624181;Jautenim;even if the behavour is not changed maybe is it worth documenting 1768707;1515624204;Jautenim;!!up Jautenim 1768708;1515624207;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2XXIc/?raw=true 1768709;1515624254;Jautenim;!!v otp 21A647DF0EA739D6CF54F4E10F4F9F499C60BFE486168F9C10B098C444C530C0 1768710;1515624265;knubie;lol 1768711;1515624276;Jautenim;herp 1768712;1515624611;mircea_popescu;!!rated Jautenim 1768713;1515624611;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated Jautenim 1 at 2015/05/18 16:44:02 << New blood. 1768714;1515625873;ben_vulpes;dag old blood 1768715;1515625970;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768685 << imho a proggy that deletes without warning an item which it itself had not necessarily created, is a backwards-firing pistol 1768716;1515625970;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 21:49 mod6: based upon some commentary (going by memory here) lead us to the decision to delete the press directory even if it existed and then create a new directory even with the same name and re-press. 1768717;1515625997;mircea_popescu;your system can't have rf in it. 1768718;1515626011;asciilifeform;...or at the very least analogous to those old tv sets which xrayed the downstairs neigbours 1768719;1515626031;asciilifeform;i.e. problem may not turn lethal for a while, but eventually somebody will sit down in 'sweet spot' 1768720;1515626037;mircea_popescu;it's like a hammer that'll pound a finger it had not necessarily created ifg you put the finger where it pounds. 1768721;1515626054;asciilifeform;right, but it gotta be imho obvious ~where~ the business end is. 1768722;1515626062;asciilifeform;and what exactly means 'pounds'. 1768723;1515626069;mircea_popescu;well mod6 did say he's gonna add docs so. 1768724;1515626125;mircea_popescu;note tho that i am NOT going to enforce any kind of responsibility for vtrons. the item says "MAKE YOUR OWN!!! vtron" for a fucking reason, and this is that reason -- if you use another man's parachute package better not be surprised by the fact he likes to keep girl undies there. 1768725;1515626137;mircea_popescu;man can make own vtron as man pleases and thassat. 1768726;1515626161;asciilifeform;it's a simpleenuff item that there's really 0 excuse for not making own. 1768727;1515626210;shinohai;More shitcoin lulz: "Linda Cryptocoin is a hybrid coin with more than 70% pure PoS Block reward phase and 99% APR. This coin comes with a masternode which ensures lightening fast secured transaction, multi-wallets, encrypted messaging and stealth address for complete anonymity. " 1768728;1515626214;mircea_popescu;just putting it in teh plain that it works exactly opposite from most items, where it's rather "do it right so i don't have to have it redone" 1768729;1515626228;shinohai;Ninety-nine percent dontchaknow 1768730;1515626271;asciilifeform;shinohai: but does it come with an arse-mouth phree-food hose! 1768731;1515626287;shinohai;I'll make a pull request. 1768732;1515626289;asciilifeform;( why shouldn't it ? same logic as 'give EVERYONE PHREEMONEYZ' ) 1768733;1515626301;mircea_popescu;it's funny how by now the "idea men" / mit grads notion of bitcoin is closer to some kind of biological item. "99% pure!!" 1768734;1515626338;asciilifeform;hey they're Educated, they have ipadz, made of 100% purest ipadium 1768735;1515626408;mircea_popescu;scam of all time, a horde of useless 20somethinfg dicklets burdened under an immense pile of debt to "repay" for the "Service" they were rendered, which 99% consists of utterly unjustified and absolutely unsustainable self-expectations 1768736;1515626436;mircea_popescu;chief among the list -- the notion that useless 20something dicklet is ever going to repay six figure debts, as if he's some kind of fucking aeroplane or something. 1768737;1515626467;mircea_popescu;judgement by similarity has rendered a bunch of esltards imagine 1k usd is something they can afford. ridoinculous. 1768738;1515626537;asciilifeform;worse, some of these folx even imagine themselves successful scammers : 'hey i milked 100k's worth of meritwashium out of mit, now all i gotta do is find another' 1768739;1515626570;asciilifeform;and it isn't even trivial to dissuade one of these , the organ-collector van keeps not coming and not coming 1768740;1515626575;mircea_popescu;myeah. quite, the best approximation of "what's the usg all about ?" well... it sells to idiots the notion they're successful scammers. 1768741;1515626577;mircea_popescu;that's ~all. 1768742;1515626582;mircea_popescu;!#s "but i used the juice" 1768743;1515626582;a111;1 result for "\"but i used the juice\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22but%20i%20used%20the%20juice%22 1768744;1515626622;asciilifeform;'superlinear' (to continue earlier thread..) chumpatron just about always has this property, of convincing the mark that he 'got something over' the orig perp 1768745;1515626635;shinohai;!~google "But I used the juice" 1768746;1515626636;jhvh1;shinohai: “I Wore the Juice ”- The Dunning-Kruger Effect – Galleys – Medium: ; The burglar with the lemon juice disguise – Mind Hacks: ; Why a bank robber thought covering himself in lemon juice would ...: (1 more message) 1768747;1515626658;asciilifeform;there was an ancient link re carnival and casino-flavoured chumpatronics , where a historian of the subj observed this 1768748;1515626687;asciilifeform;'make him think he has A System For Winning (tm)(r), he'll go home and fetch his gold to pawn' etc 1768749;1515626748;asciilifeform;btw asciilifeform found it interesting , in timisoara , there were '9000' betting-shops, each with 2-3 pawn shops right next. moar than cafes, moar than just about any commercial item, betting shops. 1768750;1515626755;lobbes;!!balance 1768751;1515626759;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/URbGu/?raw=true 1768752;1515626764;mircea_popescu;i'm getting a better idea of what you mean. 1768753;1515626765;mircea_popescu;"there's two kinds of scams : those who work on honest man, and those who don't. we call the later superlinear for reasons" 1768754;1515626766;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "fala". 1768755;1515626778;asciilifeform;but what was interesting is that none of the pawnshops ~sold~ anything in the storefront. only bought. little hole in the wall, you put in goodies and get a few orcbux 1768756;1515626792;mircea_popescu;well, they sell but via wot. 1768757;1515626798;asciilifeform;invites the q : where did they liquidate the ipnojes, wedding rings, Last Shirts, that people put in 1768758;1515626799;asciilifeform;gotta be. 1768759;1515626802;*;mircea_popescu used to buy most of the girl jewelry etc that way. 1768760;1515626827;mircea_popescu;"that was a great blowjob. would you like someone's wedding ring ?" "lol sure"" here, pick" 1768761;1515626846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'reasons' being that 'scams on honest men' do not, as a rule, produce 'free radicals' 1768762;1515626856;asciilifeform;( i.e. converting the honest into scammers, to further scam elsewhere ) 1768763;1515626871;mircea_popescu;possibru. 1768764;1515626883;asciilifeform;perhaps better analogy - slow neutrons 1768765;1515626885;mircea_popescu;this altogether depends, buyer of dud may well attempt to pass it on. 1768766;1515626897;mircea_popescu;elementarily -- what happens to most counterfit currency 1768767;1515626900;asciilifeform;pass it on to 1 other. 1768768;1515626901;asciilifeform;right 1768769;1515626914;mircea_popescu;so in this sense linear. aite. 1768770;1515627232;asciilifeform;epidemiologists have a similar concept for virulence 1768771;1515627435;mircea_popescu;the difference between linear and superlinear scams is that the former aren't actually "social reform movements". 1768772;1515627467;asciilifeform;'basic reproduction number' (r0) iirc. 1768773;1515627484;mircea_popescu;obama "change bla bla" -- the platonic superlinear scam. 1768774;1515627520;asciilifeform;can reverse this equation also : every superlinear scam is , effectively, a 'reform movement' 1768775;1515627552;asciilifeform;'reform yerself! in the Bright New World we will build, dogshit edible' 1768776;1515627598;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/Birdman_payment_receipt.txt 1768777;1515627599;deedbot;accepted: 1 1768778;1515627623;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, kinda the point. 1768779;1515630626;mircea_popescu;!!up BigTexasBingo 1768780;1515630626;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes. 1768781;1515630638;asciilifeform;in other olds, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-03#1394975 >> it's back 1768782;1515630638;a111;Logged on 2016-02-03 02:38 mircea_popescu: http://plouffe.fr/ << in other news, plouffe's site is gone. 1768783;1515630640;BigTexasBingo;Will blog when back at terminal. 1768784;1515630647;asciilifeform;as is uncle al's www ( also back, was gone for month+ 0 1768785;1515630650;asciilifeform;) 1768786;1515630675;BigTexasBingo;BUT the mom showed up for the date. 1768787;1515630684;mircea_popescu;lol 1768788;1515630699;asciilifeform;plouffe is on asciilifeform's list of 'folx who really oughta visit' 1768789;1515630725;BigTexasBingo;The earlier adventure wasn't just "say hi to my mom on vidya" so mom believes in the Gringo 1768790;1515630729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform didn't he get all ptsd after interacting with canadian academia, or am i conflating 1768791;1515630749;asciilifeform;he was on the receiving end of a perelmanning 1768792;1515630754;asciilifeform;but loox like he's back in biznis 1768793;1515630759;BigTexasBingo;Then mom blows it for her daughter by showing up 1768794;1515630780;mircea_popescu;BigTexasBingo which reminds me, i was gionna translate a ro piece 1768795;1515630814;asciilifeform;http://vixra.org/author/simon_plouffe << see also 1768796;1515630855;BigTexasBingo;Walk the mall for 4 minutes, mom spots a coin operated massage chair. The charlatans make an act out of not finding coins. 1768797;1515630900;BigTexasBingo;30 pesos (1 usd) and a Donde esta el bano later... Freedom 1768798;1515631072;BigTexasBingo;And for 30 pesos and 35 minutes in the mall (latinas and time) I know another location full of chicas guapa 1768799;1515631112;*;BigTexasBingo descanso en un safe house kilometers from the mommy predators 1768800;1515631146;BigTexasBingo;Anyways pops to alf on sniffing out the noses. 1768801;1515631239;asciilifeform;BigTexasBingo: experience from timis expedition. i had them benjies nicely sealed up but these critters could still smell'em 1768802;1515631257;BigTexasBingo;Here I was expecting fatter than the fotos and the girl turned out good except for the 100kg on the other side of her umbilical cord 1768803;1515631293;asciilifeform;they 'made eyes', pretended to friendly, acted as if they were happy to see asciilifeform , for no good reason, set off all kindsa alarm 1768804;1515631322;BigTexasBingo;This was an interwebz lead 1768805;1515631360;asciilifeform;it's almost like trying to hide food from bear. 1768806;1515631410;shinohai;Ah good ol https://montevideo.craigslist.org/ ? 1768807;1515631424;BigTexasBingo;Nah, badoo. 1768808;1515631459;shinohai;I was looking it over to see if the ads were just as lulzy as the US ones 1768809;1515631497;BigTexasBingo;Has a proximity girl finder so go to the mall, mirar chicas, chicas mirar back, but bonus leads from GPS margin of error 1768810;1515631527;asciilifeform;wtf is a proximity girl finder 1768811;1515631600;BigTexasBingo;Well, after leaving the mall it pings myself and the girlies I didn't notice to flirt with that we were in roughly the same place. 1768812;1515631628;asciilifeform;oh hm like that old japanese item 1768813;1515631631;asciilifeform;!#s lovegetty 1768814;1515631632;a111;1 result for "lovegetty", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lovegetty 1768815;1515631636;BigTexasBingo;Aha 1768816;1515631688;BigTexasBingo;It isn't much leverage, but gets the next batch of girls for you while you have been flirting with other girls. 1768817;1515631735;asciilifeform;what i still dunget is, why would the gurlz use an item like this 1768818;1515631738;BigTexasBingo;The things what Okcupid should have been. For some reason no users in USA and many in LATAM 1768819;1515631787;BigTexasBingo;Alf the girls use because shy and the sane ones want to meet dudes without their mothers in tow. 1768820;1515631816;asciilifeform;yes but why is 'shy' obstacle for them in ordinary meatmarket ? all they gotta do is sit there anyway 1768821;1515631850;BigTexasBingo;Because the local dudes are even more shy... Or too stoned to notice the girls 1768822;1515631946;BigTexasBingo;This isn't Lafond presents Baltimore. Here the youth in trendy clothes yeild when the find themselves in my way. 1768823;1515631980;asciilifeform;odd 1768824;1515631997;BigTexasBingo;And in this safehouse examination of the wallet, there actually were benjies there. 1768825;1515632020;BigTexasBingo;Tucked away from the beforetimes 1768826;1515632021;asciilifeform;i haven't any model of why they would, aside from possibility that BingoBoingo gained +9000 courage , from his successful jailbreak 1768827;1515632082;BigTexasBingo;It is probably the beard, the +5 courage, and the rebellious youth suck here 1768828;1515632228;BigTexasBingo;Or it is possible they have been robbed by the otherwise harmless beggars while stoned 1768829;1515632313;BigTexasBingo;The derelicts seem to watch pedestrians for cannabis induced vulnerability 1768830;1515632404;BigTexasBingo;The coffe is drank, me voy 1768831;1515633798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whart do you mean why ? cuz they got an item that burns for the filling ? 1768832;1515633855;mircea_popescu;and you gotta be fucking kidding me. sit there, really ? like how, like so http://trilema.com/2013/attention-cunt/ ? 1768833;1515634368;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> your system can't have rf in it. << Catching up here... I'd like to change how my vtron handles this. I think this is the simplest / safest solution: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PKYLq/?raw=true 1768834;1515634388;mircea_popescu;mod6 i just meant that "rf" the utility doesn't actually fit his standard. 1768835;1515634403;mod6;ah. 1768836;1515634459;mod6;Anyway, was thinking that it would be best to halt operation if the directory already exists. Let the user decide how to handle from there. 1768837;1515634467;mircea_popescu;works 1768838;1515634482;mircea_popescu;i always imagined you have it in there because you got sick of constantly deleting dirs by hand 1768839;1515634561;mod6;ah, no. i always use a different press dir name, but im pretty anal about how i use v. 1768840;1515634652;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/ridoinculous-taboos/ << Trilema - Ridoinculous taboos 1768841;1515634736;mod6;basically: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626781 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626790 1768842;1515634736;a111;Logged on 2017-03-14 04:38 mod6: blowing away someones dir without notice seems like the wrong approach, no matter how clean it might seem. 1768843;1515634736;a111;Logged on 2017-03-14 04:51 mod6: yeah, im maybe considering the bad-form-case where someone modifies the source of a pressed directory, forgets about his changes, comes back 12 years later, then re-presses over said changes, now lost. 1768844;1515634761;mircea_popescu;aite 1768845;1515634773;mod6;so, hindsight here... i should have just stuck to that. 1768846;1515634861;mod6;I'm still gonna write up that blog post about the change to how the press-path is calculated. Hopefully have somthing here by Monday. 1768847;1515634879;mircea_popescu;o hey. nice. 1768848;1515634898;mod6;Hopefully that will get some good discussion going here so we can all validate it's correctness. 1768849;1515634992;mod6;The automated tests that I wrote are paying in spades btw. 1768850;1515635037;mod6;They're not super pretty, but they work and are saving me a metric FUCKTON of time. 1768851;1515635070;mod6;Will be good to get these changes in, get it tested & validated, and then move on to the other pressing matters of the Foundation. :] 1768852;1515635098;*;mircea_popescu will read. 1768853;1515635143;shinohai;All the eucrypt stuff seemed to press fine with last changes you gave me mod6 btw, didn't know if you got the msg 1768854;1515635161;mod6;Ah, yeah, thanks for checking that out. 1768855;1515635202;mod6;So remaining changes include the one just discussed above, and the possible change to how I make/use tmp dirs. 1768856;1515635926;asciilifeform;!!up douchebag 1768857;1515635926;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes. 1768858;1515635933;danielpbarron;!!key douchebag 1768859;1515635933;deedbot;Not registered. 1768860;1515635934;asciilifeform;oh hey, an honest man?! can turn the lantern off ?! 1768861;1515635946;danielpbarron;thought i rated this guy 1768862;1515636017;mircea_popescu;lel 1768863;1515636056;danielpbarron;!!key douchebag_ 1768864;1515636057;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/EB901B424CBEE2900C2B09B5390F1C6A460DD6E7.asc 1768865;1515636063;danielpbarron;douchebag, is that you ^ ? 1768866;1515639545;danielpbarron;!!up douchebag 1768867;1515639545;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes. 1768868;1515639553;danielpbarron;which nick do you plan on using 1768869;1515639582;douchebag;douchebag 1768870;1515639595;danielpbarron;register the key with that one then 1768871;1515639622;douchebag;kk 1768872;1515639650;danielpbarron;might have to make a new key come to think of it. 1768873;1515639728;danielpbarron;furthermore, out of principal i shouldn't change the rating over unless you can prove this situation with the old key, and i already feel like i can't be arsed to do all this 1768874;1515639857;douchebag;can you check if im properly registered 1768875;1515639864;danielpbarron;!!key douchebag 1768876;1515639866;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5A067BA31976B2576818247075CD5709D6509291.asc 1768877;1515639884;douchebag;yeah thats my pub 1768878;1515639980;douchebag;so what's going on in here 1768879;1515640091;danielpbarron;i just noticed wot.deedbot.org is not up to date. many days off 1768880;1515640144;danielpbarron;douchebag, see topic 1768881;1515640387;shinohai;danielpbarron: heh me too ... I updated your rating here http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760626 but isn't reflected 1768882;1515640387;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 13:50 shinohai: !!rate danielpbarron 3 #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church 1768883;1515640692;danielpbarron;and relatedly, the lordship list linked in the footnotes of the topic url is also not up to date 1768884;1515640724;TomServo;asciilifeform: what is the current price for a fg? 1768885;1515641286;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron isnt it ?! 1768886;1515641327;danielpbarron;is shinohai not a lord now? 1768887;1515641339;danielpbarron;!!gettrust deedbot shinohai 1768888;1515641340;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 9 by 9 connections. 1768889;1515641368;danielpbarron;!!gettrust deedbot framedragger 1768890;1515641368;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 4 by 4 connections. 1768891;1515641372;danielpbarron;ditto him 1768892;1515641447;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron well yeah, kinda how this worked was that here's last year's list, what changes do you want. 1768893;1515641497;danielpbarron;ok just checking 1768894;1515642397;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768884 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749182 1768895;1515642397;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 03:18 TomServo: asciilifeform: what is the current price for a fg? 1768896;1515642397;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 00:42 asciilifeform: 0.0395 is the current. 1768897;1515642438;asciilifeform;TomServo: there is also a fiatola dealership, run by danielpbarron , ask him for current price there. 1768898;1515642500;danielpbarron;400 or best offer 1768899;1515642552;mircea_popescu;lol is the amazon thing still going ? 1768900;1515642555;TomServo;asciilifeform: aha, I just noticed danielpbarron lowered his price.. so I was curious. 1768901;1515642567;danielpbarron;i did? 1768902;1515642574;danielpbarron;a bunch of people got some for 200 USD 1768903;1515642579;TomServo;danielpbarron: wasn't it 600 a week or two ago? 1768904;1515642602;danielpbarron;nobody bought any at that price so i lowered till they did 1768905;1515642626;TomServo;ah! 1768906;1515642946;danielpbarron;!!gettrust TomServo 1768907;1515642946;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 4 by 3 connections. 1768908;1515643154;TomServo;asciilifeform: Am I mistaken there are 2 types of fg? 1 usb, 1 rs232 ? 1768909;1515643352;asciilifeform;only 1 type. different cables. 1768910;1515643372;asciilifeform;( generally i recommend that users obtain own cable ) 1768911;1515643405;TomServo;asciilifeform: got it, thanks. 1768912;1515643412;asciilifeform;fg speaks standard rs232 , 115200b,8,1,0 , at 5v 1768913;1515643559;asciilifeform;( '1 type' is strictly speaking not correct, there were several editions, but all functionally SAME, only slight cosmetic diffs ) 1768914;1515643873;shinohai;asciilifeform: do you have the archive.is link handy to the fg schematics? 1768915;1515643971;asciilifeform;shinohai: click the banner on my www 1768916;1515643989;asciilifeform;shinohai: they are also in phf's v-viewer ww 1768917;1515643991;asciilifeform;w 1768918;1515644010;shinohai;oh cool, thanks I missed that 1768919;1515644031;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg 1768920;1515644070;asciilifeform;i am still, incidentally, waiting for somebody to admit to making his own fg 1768921;1515644093;asciilifeform;it is every bit as much of a wholesome thingtodo as making own vtron, imho 1768922;1515644104;asciilifeform;but so far 0 reports. 1768923;1515644265;shinohai;Well I was thinking of attempting this, since as of yet have been unable to purchase. 1768924;1515644358;asciilifeform;shinohai: why unable ? 1768925;1515644384;asciilifeform;they're in stock ( both here and at danielpbarron's , last i knew ) 1768926;1515644400;shinohai;No spare bits atm 1768927;1515650261;mod6;looks like mktemp will do the trick 1768928;1515650372;mod6;all the changes needed to replace the current method of creating the ~/.gnupgtmp dir are these: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8tGhm/?raw=true 1768929;1515650409;mod6;experimental ! ^ 1768930;1515650503;mod6;all of the automated tests passed, so that's a good sign 1768931;1515650593;mod6;thoughts, comments welcome 1768932;1515650856;mod6;(also, yes, the get_homedir sub can be trimmed) 1768933;1515651946;lobbes;Achtung, archive enthusiasts! Over 80K archived and zipped URLs are now searchable via this php-tron: http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=qntra.net&sortby=date_desc 1768934;1515651952;lobbes;Top three things I need to do next: 1) set up automated updating of the reporting database the thing sits on (currently 'stale' data). 2) set up lobbesbot to similarly search via IRC commands 3) Zip distribution system! 1768935;1515652047;lobbes;further out on list: 4) allow bulk submission of links via link to a plaintext list 5) ability to search the -content- of the zips for a phrase (thanks to mats for the suggestion) 1768936;1515652101;mod6;hey neato! 1768937;1515652138;ben_vulpes;5 sounds v. cool 1768938;1515652716;trinque;bravo lobbes ! 1768939;1515652766;mircea_popescu;nice 1768940;1515660203;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/11/the-kinds-of-comments-other-blog-commenters-have-for-intro-to-bitcoin-articles-in-2018/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The kinds of comments other blog commenters have for Intro-to-Bitcoin articles in 2018. 1768941;1515676352;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1768942;1515676360;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13801.0, vol: 19495.15566039 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13801.0, vol: 72054.84320398 | Volume-weighted last average: 13801.0 1768943;1515676630;shinohai;^ Unlike teh gribble maintainer, I removed the btc-e price 1768944;1515676676;shinohai;lobbes: Your Qntra thing was a very nice thing to wake up to this morning. 1768945;1515678367;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768419 << All reg'd now the accounts are filing bank account papers. Datacenter rep did indeed disclose lack of care where wire transfers come from so long as paid 1768946;1515678367;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 15:51 mircea_popescu: o hey, so corp all reg'd and everything ? nice. 1768947;1515678481;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768440 << BWAHAHAHAHA http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768440 1768948;1515678481;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 16:35 mircea_popescu: anyone recall those ancient lulz ? 1768949;1515678491;BingoBoingo;Sorry, http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/26/cycles-repeat-themselves-mcxnow/ 1768950;1515681698;danielpbarron;!~later tell trinque ok i finally got around to looking at this cuntoo thing. machine can't load the kernel. when i chroot to try to rebuild it, i can't even mount /dev points or df -h 1768951;1515681698;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded. 1768952;1515682940;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf seal from http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026&cpage=1#comment-18614 , ty 1768953;1515682940;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1768954;1515683053;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/11/unsanitarily-close-tres-generaciones-una-cita/ << Bingo Blog - Unsanitarily Close Tres Generaciones, Una Cita 1768955;1515683789;shinohai;It !!ups itself 1768956;1515683865;phf;or else it gets the hoes again 1768957;1515683887;asciilifeform;ohai phf 1768958;1515683916;asciilifeform;here's an interesting find for phf : turns out that snap-on-cable rf chokes do wonder for 'model f' kbd 'ghost keystroke' problem 1768959;1515683985;asciilifeform;even after painting the inside of the plastic top of mine with conductive pait, i still occasionally got this headache. now seems to be gone. ( cable was antenna... ) 1768960;1515683999;asciilifeform;*paint 1768961;1515684020;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'warning to head' ? 1768962;1515684041;phf;that's hilarious, ty 1768963;1515684075;asciilifeform;phf: get the kind that can fit 3-4 turns of whatever usb cord you used. 1768964;1515684077;phf;you know if the problem is there in the original design also? 1768965;1515684079;asciilifeform;and put 1 on each end. 1768966;1515684099;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/11/eucrypt-chapter-5-c-m-e-mod-n/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 5: C = M ^ e mod n 1768967;1515684110;asciilifeform;afaik was not in original design. i think herr cornall's replacement board design was not quite 'pro' quality, tbh 1768968;1515684120;asciilifeform;but i dun have a better one myself, either 1768969;1515684211;phf;sekoore keyboard design!! leaks so much data it catches its own transmission 1768970;1515684228;asciilifeform;phf: ftr i think the 'matrix' design is ridiculous. esp in a device that cost what a harley cost at the time. 1768971;1515684245;asciilifeform;really oughta have been '1 key, 1 wire, 1 chip pin' 1768972;1515684432;phf;hmm, they gave up on 1 key 1 wire long before though. those pdp keyboards, dec? was space cadet it? 1768973;1515684437;asciilifeform;nope, matrix 1768974;1515684439;asciilifeform;all of them 1768975;1515684443;asciilifeform;every known kbd . 1768976;1515684454;asciilifeform;at least every single one i've ever seen a photo of the inside of. 1768977;1515684471;asciilifeform;( the ones that used soldered wires instead of pcb -- still matrix. ) 1768978;1515684515;asciilifeform;phf: i even suspect that it is possible to improve the cornall design with... randomized scan. i suspect that the sequential scan, sets up resonances. 1768979;1515684576;asciilifeform;http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << subj; for folx reading the thread and thinking 'wtf' 1768980;1515684747;mod6;mornin 1768981;1515684752;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1768982;1515684772;*;mod6 tips hat to asciilifeform 1768983;1515684824;phf;i have a second model f that i was promissing someone to make operational, i'll play around with that one 1768984;1515685039;asciilifeform;phf: exclusing items on wheels , i dun think i've ever owned a mechanical device that was as much of a bitch to reassemble , as the 'f' 1768985;1515685044;asciilifeform;*excluding 1768986;1515685075;asciilifeform;i ended up buying a full set of carpenter's clamps, and keeping'em around just for it.. 1768987;1515685121;asciilifeform;( and if you make a mistake -- ALL of the flappers fall out: all 122 of'em... ) 1768988;1515685198;phf;ne imela baba problem, kupila porosya.. 1768989;1515685204;asciilifeform;aaaha. 1768990;1515685230;asciilifeform;the flip side of the medal , is that once the thing is assembled, that's it, for another three decades 1768991;1515685300;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty 1768992;1515685362;phf;my grandfather (and his generation) spent their leisure time working on cars (also billiard and preferance). i can't help but think that working on keyboards is a bit of a step down :o 1768993;1515685376;asciilifeform;errything's a step down. 1768994;1515685406;asciilifeform;next generation will spend time working on shoes. ( if cardboard duct taped to foot can be called 'shoe' ) 1768995;1515685494;phf;heh "1992 vintage italian shoe. the sole i head to replace out of hand carved wood, but leather is literally like nothing you can get anymore!!1" 1768996;1515685505;asciilifeform;aaha exactly 1768997;1515685546;shinohai;Oh good morning mod6 .... gonna try the changes out later this afternoon, will report back 1768998;1515685722;mod6;shinohai: ah, alright, i'll probably have a full patch for people to look at here later today. 1768999;1515685744;mod6;experimental, ofc. 1769000;1515685767;shinohai;I don't expect drastically different results than from first pass, but never hurts to poke these things with a stick some. 1769001;1515685768;BingoBoingo; heh "1992 vintage italian shoe. the sole i head to replace out of hand carved wood, but leather is literally like nothing you can get anymore!!1" << Old leather always is something you can't get off the shelf 1769002;1515685823;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i suspect that decent shoes are somehow illegal in usa. they are ~entirely unavailable in any shop i've ever walked into there. 1769003;1515685841;asciilifeform;prolly banned, like decent milk ( see 'uht' thread ) 1769004;1515685957;BingoBoingo;Closest thing I could find before leaving were workboots 1769005;1515686102;asciilifeform;in timisoara, 'boot valhalla', walk into ~any shop and for 1.5x of what 1 pair of typical chinese liquishit costs in shitland, you get italian boots , with actual leather, insulation , proper sole, etc 1769006;1515686131;asciilifeform;for coupla hundy you could prolly get a tailored set . ( asciilifeform did not stay longenuff to investigate ) 1769007;1515686209;*;BingoBoingo simply went to Rural King, got pair of Redwings off the shelf. Traded ~$200 and began ritual break in process 1769008;1515686351;BingoBoingo;Here the trend seems to be Nike plastic de China for the youth and imitation real shoes for the adults, with substantial amounts of flip flops mixed in 1769009;1515686368;asciilifeform;sounds like usa 1769010;1515686395;BingoBoingo;Well, the adult shoes contain leather 1769011;1515686408;BingoBoingo;Likely Industria Argentina sorta deal 1769012;1515686441;*;asciilifeform sometimes sees photos of africans, straw ebola huts in background, wearing 'nike', tshirts, etc. and wonders if typical ameritard viewer sees 'ooh hey they get Real Clothing, Like Us' rather than 'hmm why am i dressed like ebola african' 1769013;1515686487;phf;actually texans make those cowboy boots, i've been gifted two pairs at different times, and they are incredibly comfortable. but of course they are not ideal on pavement, and it's also stylistically a bold move on the east coast 1769014;1515686492;BingoBoingo;AHA 1769015;1515686544;asciilifeform;these would've been ideal for the 100km of bucharest walk 1769016;1515686611;asciilifeform;they dunbelieve in sidewalks there ( repurposed as orcish parkinglot , as in many post-su lands ) and after coupla days of walking on rubble in 'civilized' shoes , feet resemble chinese bamboo punishment victim's 1769017;1515686650;BingoBoingo;Ah, the uruguayan sidewalks are intentionally textured like rubble! 1769018;1515686663;asciilifeform;for massage, lel 1769019;1515686730;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: boots that can take ~removable~ (check into baggage when going by airplane) iron plates would be spiffy imho 1769020;1515686782;BingoBoingo;Eh, ablation is kinda what the sole is there for 1769021;1515686799;mats;http://blog.talosintelligence.com/2018/01/unpatched-blender-vulns.html perhaps relevant to eulora 1769022;1515687397;phf;asciilifeform: sigs updated 1769023;1515687421;phf;diana_coman: ch5 on btcbase 1769024;1515687780;diana_coman;thanks phf ! 1769025;1515687890;diana_coman;mats I'll have a look although s.mg won't use latest vulnerabilities as it were 1769026;1515688237;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769016 <- ahahaha, I walked those sidewalks for years and in high heels too; it's a skill! (leather shoes though, always, proper Romanian shoes) 1769027;1515688237;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 16:03 asciilifeform: they dunbelieve in sidewalks there ( repurposed as orcish parkinglot , as in many post-su lands ) and after coupla days of walking on rubble in 'civilized' shoes , feet resemble chinese bamboo punishment victim's 1769028;1515688265;phf;s.mg is actually using pre-interface-changes blender from 20 years ago 1769029;1515688392;diana_coman;phf, quite; Blender 2.66 for the record; the stopping point though was basically latest working with acceptable version of Python 1769030;1515688810;diana_coman;as per http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-11-28.log.html#t14:51:45 + adventures with exporting from it, we ended up freezing blender version at 2.66 and - as usual by now - hosting it too ( minigame.bz/eulora/source/blender-2.66.tar.gz ) 1769031;1515688813;lobbesbot;Logged on 2016-11-28 14:51:45: basically whatever blender version is the last to work on python 2.x 1769032;1515689025;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768950 << can't load your own custom kernel eh? anyhow I'd need the barf to help you, picture of screen even. as for mounting dev in the chroot, you must "mount -obind /dev /path/to/build/dev" 1769033;1515689025;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 14:41 danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque ok i finally got around to looking at this cuntoo thing. machine can't load the kernel. when i chroot to try to rebuild it, i can't even mount /dev points or df -h 1769034;1515689039;trinque;need to do this for sys and proc as well. 1769035;1515689152;phf;diana_coman: yeah, i remember the python 2/3 rants in logs here too. i take it s.mg at this point mails CDs of prefab player AND developer environments 1769036;1515689349;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242 << do I understand correctly that there's nowhere to store the result, as there seems to be enough hw adders in an 'ice'?also, it seems that the same authors are trying to reverse some xilinx nao: https://symbiflow.github.io/ 1769037;1515689349;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 20:06 asciilifeform: in other 'news', it is apparently impossible to fit even ONE 4096-bit adder into an ice40-8k ( the largest in the series ) 1769038;1515689438;mircea_popescu;diana_coman this time, it pinged. heck knows. 1769039;1515689508;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, at some point there will be time to get to the bottom of that too 1769040;1515689524;mircea_popescu;or someone actually picks up mp-wp already. 1769041;1515689534;mircea_popescu;it's been looking for a maintainer for what, 2 yrs. 1769042;1515689554;shinohai;Heh I can connect to Eulora again 1769043;1515689578;diana_coman;plenty of things for the pick up really 1769044;1515689595;diana_coman;shinohai, what was the trouble? 1769045;1515689596;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768945 << "all x except not x.y" bejaysus. how long until you have it all up then ? 1769046;1515689596;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 13:46 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768419 << All reg'd now the accounts are filing bank account papers. Datacenter rep did indeed disclose lack of care where wire transfers come from so long as paid 1769047;1515689620;shinohai;diana_coman: kept kicking me offline 1769048;1515689631;diana_coman;sounds like connection trouble 1769049;1515689642;danielpbarron;trinque, oh lol ur right sorry 1769050;1515689651;danielpbarron;been a while since i did that 1769051;1515689677;*;danielpbarron hangs head in shame 1769052;1515689840;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769036 << this is correct, it simply doesn't have enough LUTs to store even the 2 operands, not even speaking of result. however xilinx is a dead end : because it is 1) nonhomogeneous 2) they switch the internals regularly, specifically to prevent a reversing from being useful in the long term. see old xilinx threads in the logs for detail 1769053;1515689840;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 16:49 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242 << do I understand correctly that there's nowhere to store the result, as there seems to be enough hw adders in an 'ice'?also, it seems that the same authors are trying to reverse some xilinx nao: https://symbiflow.github.io/ 1769054;1515689930;apeloyee;and you think internals of 'ice' won't be switched? 1769055;1515689935;asciilifeform;apeloyee: re 'nonhomogeneous' , see e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710128 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710139 1769056;1515689935;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 19:58 asciilifeform: large xilinx chips also have 'hard' periphs inside, e.g. multers, adders, shifters, various 1769057;1515689935;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 20:02 asciilifeform: re the archs -- lattice ice is analogous to children's toy 'lego' where you get 9,000 identical bricks; xilinx ( and altera, and the 'adult' lattice fpga on fancy dev boards ) are analogous to... i guess the 'erector' toy, where there are a certain number of fungible pieces, but also ~a~ motor, ~a~ heavy iron base, a quantity of gears, etc. 1769058;1515689953;asciilifeform;apeloyee: the larger chips by lattice co are already xilinx-like 1769059;1515689981;asciilifeform;the smaller ones are 'sea of gates' as they are intended to be used for glue logic, and emphasize predictable path timing ( the analogous xilinx series is the 95xx , as used in FUCKGOATS ) 1769060;1515690023;apeloyee;i'm speaking of reversed ones only 1769061;1515690039;asciilifeform;so yes, the only reason why anybody sells ice and 95xx -like 'sea of gates' at all, is that for 'glue' (simple boolean functions of signals, for e.g. bus decoding, addressing, simple i/o multiplexing) is that you can't actually do it reliably with the non-seaofgates devices 1769062;1515690064;asciilifeform;they would have long ago phased out the sane (sea of gates) devices , otherwise. 1769063;1515690085;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well acordding to Uruguay it's a business. How long until there's a bank account is a mystery. Moving discussions ahead with the datacenter with the understanding that if a local bank account isn ready in time, there will be some way to pay them. 1769064;1515690103;apeloyee;what's to stop Lattice from yanking the reversed ice and introducing similar-but-incompatible per the playbook? 1769065;1515690106;asciilifeform;it is sorta how like american hardware store would love to sell plastic pipe wrenches. but you can't actually work with those, so they don't. 1769066;1515690137;mircea_popescu;they sell plastic guns... 1769067;1515690155;asciilifeform;apeloyee: nothing per se. but the 'fiddled' chip is likely to be reversable with same methods, on account of being homogeneous 1769068;1515690156;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so what's the plan here, drop upon the dc with brown paper bag fulla cash ? 1769069;1515690191;asciilifeform;apeloyee: they could in principle try intel-style fascism with built-in rsa sig verifier or the like. but afaik the only vendor to date to attempt any such thing, was xilinx, and it wasn't even in earnest 1769070;1515690230;phf;aaye, boss wantsa one of them servers, brought you eggheads some mulah 1769071;1515690356;asciilifeform;apeloyee: the most immediate risk is that 'ice' series simply goes out of print. like anything else. 1769072;1515690375;apeloyee;that's what I spoke about 1769073;1515690400;asciilifeform;the only cure for this is to fab own fpga. 1769074;1515690422;apeloyee;but you say everybody needs something ice-like? 1769075;1515690432;asciilifeform;it's the 1 product currently sold, that's worth buying. 1769076;1515690456;asciilifeform;even if you need three dozen of'em to fit , e.g., vga controller. 1769077;1515690478;asciilifeform;and it's the 1 fpga currently sold that's worth copying ( scaled-up, naturally ) 1769078;1515690496;apeloyee;it's the 1 product currently sold, that's worth buying. << and the xilinx item in 'fuckgoats'? 1769079;1515690521;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That or "Hey pete, wanna send a wire for some BTC" 1769080;1515690553;mircea_popescu;whole point is to have your own stream. 1769081;1515690576;asciilifeform;apeloyee: fg is a very unusual device, in that you can actually put, e.g., terabyte of known input into it, and only you know what the half-GB that ought to come out, is, there is not physically room inside for a secret crib sheet of that size 1769082;1515690587;mircea_popescu;"registered company, no bank accounts" ~= "rented house, no running water" 1769083;1515690589;asciilifeform;there are not many items, even conceptually, that can be audited this way 1769084;1515690613;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1769085;1515690616;asciilifeform;it is also unusual in that it accepts no input from the computer 1769086;1515690619;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13730.52, vol: 18642.79134567 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13822.0, vol: 65812.8828485 | Volume-weighted last average: 13801.8066552 1769087;1515690626;asciilifeform;and thereby has no attack surface in the traditional sense 1769088;1515690647;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And thus my increasing annoyance with the locals. They aren't ustards, but their slow speed to anything is grating. 1769089;1515690675;asciilifeform;i still dislike having to use toolchain from hitler to compile the bitstream. and thereby the current fg is the last time i use a xilinx in a product. 1769090;1515690683;mircea_popescu;so far sounds a lot like classical scam, "sure, can do 90% of useful item BUT NO MORE in steady 10% increments you can pay for". 1769091;1515690721;mircea_popescu;wtf did that accountant or w/e do, "oh, i can find you a house mr bb, it just won't have any walls..." ? 1769092;1515690724;mircea_popescu;shoulda said so from day 1. 1769093;1515690734;apeloyee;but strictly speaking, if you just want mod-exp you don't need "an adder". you need operations "add X", doble and "subtract modulus" 1769094;1515690741;mircea_popescu;"yes i can FIFTYQUOTESregistger a corpFIFTYQUOTES but it will not be a corp and hello" 1769095;1515690742;apeloyee;*double the result" 1769096;1515690753;asciilifeform;apeloyee: 'add X' needs an adder. 1769097;1515690761;asciilifeform;as does 'sub X' 1769098;1515690767;BingoBoingo;Apparently they waited until after the business registration went through Friday to apply for bank accounts. 1769099;1515690778;mircea_popescu;but today is thurs! 1769100;1515690788;apeloyee;it has adder. problem is storage, no? 1769101;1515690790;BingoBoingo;si 1769102;1515690807;mircea_popescu;what happened to "but i must warn you mr bb, "applying for bank accounts:" is a thing, bank doesn't open acct ON THE SPOT, takes 8 years" 1769103;1515690810;mircea_popescu;fucking soviets. 1769104;1515690821;apeloyee;can you use one 'ice' to generate a bitstream for another one? 1769105;1515690842;asciilifeform;apeloyee: adder is just a series of xor's. but yes you need shift registers to hold the operands, and one to hold the result ( which then can be shifted ) 1769106;1515690867;asciilifeform;apeloyee: they have very slow-writing storage for the bitstream (nand flash, with ~10k cycle endurance) so definitely not practical 1769107;1515690879;BingoBoingo;Apparently takes weeks. Anecdote from datacenter folk suggests 2-3 months of bandaids not uncommon. 1769108;1515690908;mircea_popescu;why wasn't this in there dec 15th ? pshaw. 1769109;1515690911;asciilifeform;apeloyee: afaik nobody ever sold a 'sea of gates' fpga/cpld with sram bitstream storage. 1769110;1515690925;asciilifeform;( if it existed -- yes, you could 'page it in' ) 1769111;1515690941;apeloyee;the 'ice' is one such 1769112;1515690952;asciilifeform;nope, nandflash 1769113;1515690959;asciilifeform;unless there's a seekrit catalogue i dun have 1769114;1515690984;asciilifeform;or hm not so 1769115;1515690998;asciilifeform;the 8k takes external spi config 1769116;1515691013;asciilifeform;it does take nearly whole second tho, to load 1769117;1515691053;apeloyee;ugh 1769118;1515691067;asciilifeform;but in principle apeloyee is right, one could make a 'page swapped' tile of 'ice's. 1769119;1515691104;asciilifeform;possibly even use it perversely to perform certain computations quickly. 1769120;1515691131;asciilifeform;(i.e. you don't need a universal shift register, can make 'constant' value using a just-in-time-cooked bitstream loaded in for that particular occasion) 1769121;1515691138;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769049 << nah lets get it going on your hardware too. idea is we get kernels in there for usable hardware. 1769122;1515691138;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 16:54 danielpbarron: trinque, oh lol ur right sorry 1769123;1515691147;trinque;I'll be out for a while today, back in the evening 1769124;1515691160;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768972 << no way, what, 800 wires ? on time tech it'd have been a foot thick that cable. 1769125;1515691160;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 15:27 phf: hmm, they gave up on 1 key 1 wire long before though. those pdp keyboards, dec? was space cadet it? 1769126;1515691174;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you know how many tracks in typical pc mobo ? 1769127;1515691178;asciilifeform;( a lot more than 800 ) 1769128;1515691214;mircea_popescu;you mean, wire as in kbd pcb or as in antenna ? 1769129;1515691215;asciilifeform;'wire' dun have to mean, typically, physical wire with circular cross section 1769130;1515691222;asciilifeform;wire as in conductor. 1769131;1515691236;*;mircea_popescu gives up, minor point anyway. 1769132;1515691240;phf;well, it's 800 to the controller, not, like, straight to machine 1769133;1515691248;asciilifeform;and also yes 1769134;1515691255;mircea_popescu;phf seems your cable being unchanged the samne problem may even recur! 1769135;1515691263;BingoBoingo;The datacenter folks released these anecdotes yesterday. The extent of the sovietitude here beyond "Latinos burn 10 days on fireworks" is something I was not anticipating. 1769136;1515691266;asciilifeform;orig observation was re 'no reason why not 122 tracks inside kbd, going to a cpld' 1769137;1515691271;*;mircea_popescu 's money is on "packeted format!!!!" as solution to this lel 1769138;1515691307;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i designed once ( but never built ) a kbd where each key sits on a 2wire bus, and has time slot 1769139;1515691314;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well so what do we do ? because so far this is starting to look like complete writeoff. 1769140;1515691321;apeloyee;egyptian mul doesn't need a barrel shifter 1769141;1515691325;asciilifeform;it'd work. and would also let you rearrange the keys 1769142;1515691334;asciilifeform;apeloyee: indeed it doesn't 1769143;1515691424;asciilifeform;apeloyee: karatsubaization doesn't need one either 1769144;1515691429;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo eg, have you "applied" to every single bank in town, making it plain to them that UNLESS they get it done by next week they will probably lose out on the business AND that it is to your superior white man eye inconceivable as well as a shocking break from human community that they take so very long,. and shoulds really be very ashamed of self, much like waiter who takes a piss in your wine ? 1769145;1515691572;asciilifeform;apeloyee: i've thought about 'what is minimal circuit for rsa'. i.e. ideally would eat x,y,m , of b bitness, and shit forth x^y mod m after ~b^3 clock cycles. 1769146;1515691584;asciilifeform;apeloyee: could potentially build out of discretes. 1769147;1515691720;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'll press the accountant on the bank applying strategy, and approach banks on my own until the list is exhausted. 1769148;1515691735;mircea_popescu;good. 1769149;1515691768;apeloyee;karatsuba's saves area only, not time 1769150;1515691784;asciilifeform;apeloyee: eh what 1769151;1515691787;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo whole idea is you reg your co with whatever inept fiatola site (bitstamp, whatever) and move into cash that way. 1769152;1515691802;asciilifeform;apeloyee: saves time. i.e. isn't o(n^3), elementarily 1769153;1515691816;apeloyee;not if you have a 4096b hw multer 1769154;1515691849;apeloyee;and no point in designing a hw multer implementing karastuba, unless saving on Si area 1769155;1515691882;asciilifeform;this is an open q 1769156;1515691907;apeloyee;hm yes, for really large multers it might be 1769157;1515691938;apeloyee;when wire delay is comparable to component delay 1769158;1515691948;apeloyee; 'what is minimal circuit for rsa' << probably ripple-carry adder + a few registers 1769159;1515691951;apeloyee;sloooow 1769160;1515691983;apeloyee;likely kochanski's multiplier is the next simplest thing 1769161;1515692047;asciilifeform;apeloyee: unusable for fixedspacetimeism 1769162;1515692058;asciilifeform;it has timesaving-heuristics that use the highbits 1769163;1515692073;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768978 << well it'll make much less obvious resonances so that's a win :D 1769164;1515692073;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 15:28 asciilifeform: phf: i even suspect that it is possible to improve the cornall design with... randomized scan. i suspect that the sequential scan, sets up resonances. 1769165;1515692074;asciilifeform;we went over kochanski here, in august 1769166;1515692168;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768992 << model m more complex than 1960s trabant! 1769167;1515692168;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 15:42 phf: my grandfather (and his generation) spent their leisure time working on cars (also billiard and preferance). i can't help but think that working on keyboards is a bit of a step down :o 1769168;1515692176;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: almost definitionally, if yer rng is any good, it won't be pumping any resonance anywhere 1769169;1515692185;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'f' not 'm' 1769170;1515692194;asciilifeform;( visually similar, but mechanically very different beasts ) 1769171;1515692196;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform definitionally, if your rng is any good, it will type out shakespeare every so often. 1769172;1515692214;mircea_popescu;rng is not a resonance magic pill, just a resonance de-debugable-izers. 1769173;1515692218;asciilifeform;dead of asteroid first. 1769174;1515692266;asciilifeform;but yes it goes back to the eternal 'what is random' thread 1769175;1515692283;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768995 << try buy yourself silk dress shirts, see. 1769176;1515692283;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 15:44 phf: heh "1992 vintage italian shoe. the sole i head to replace out of hand carved wood, but leather is literally like nothing you can get anymore!!1" 1769177;1515692285;asciilifeform;point is not that resonance is physically impossible, but that enemy cannot win by ever betting on a particular one 1769178;1515692300;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought point was "ghost keystroke". 1769179;1515692309;asciilifeform;side-thread of side-thread lol 1769180;1515692500;shinohai;"Confused Trump Tricked by Fox News Into Opposing His Own Surveillance Bill" <<< kek 1769181;1515693211;ben_vulpes;https://bitcoingarden.org/forum/index.php?topic=16213.0 1769182;1515693315;asciilifeform;'Women coin will become the ultimate business coin for women. We all know that this altcoin market is mainly operated by men, just like the entire world. We want to stop this. From this moment on everyone should keep in mind that we women are as important as men. This is why Women coin project has been formed. ... We want to bring the female standard of importance under the attention with every WOMEN coin trade. Also we want to get w 1769183;1515693316;asciilifeform;eb services on-board to accept WOMEN COIN is one of their official payment methods.' 1769184;1515693319;asciilifeform;gold. 1769185;1515693350;asciilifeform;^ complete with win .exe 'wallet' , a la yesterday's archaeological thread 1769186;1515693370;mircea_popescu;business coin for women ? 1769187;1515693381;knubie;lol 1769188;1515693394;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, there's a "bank for women" thing here, called "crystal" 1769189;1515693407;mircea_popescu;i find it apt it'd be the definitive stripper's name, but really now, a bank FOR WOMEN ? 1769190;1515693412;asciilifeform;what's the angle? 1769191;1515693413;knubie;lmao 1769192;1515693427;shinohai;bwahahaha asciilifeform 1769193;1515693428;mircea_popescu;woman is not a profession. bank "for agricultors" makes sense because4 they get leasing deals with the machinery producers. 1769194;1515693444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform angle ? what angle. these are simpleminded people, not up to angles yet. those are the WORDS. 1769195;1515693451;shinohai;Now we need "Pantsuit coin" 1769196;1515693456;mircea_popescu;dollar ? 1769197;1515693459;shinohai;lol 1769198;1515693463;ben_vulpes;while we're on the topic of american ersatzolade: https://www.recode.net/2018/1/9/16870894/ces-2018-pole-dancing-robots-giles-walker-strip-club-las-vegas 1769199;1515693485;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes cuz teh women are too fat / lazy to do it anymoar amirite. 1769200;1515693501;ben_vulpes;you'd think but the poor girls dance just like they always did 1769201;1515693508;mircea_popescu;in other lifestyle & bed, bath -- zee germanz opened a deli here, finally smoked ribs and shit. 1769202;1515693510;ben_vulpes;brb screaming from upstairs 1769203;1515693575;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18615 << in other ffaism. 1769204;1515693576;ben_vulpes;back, just a lamp 1769205;1515693599;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769006 << yes but in cluj not in tm. 1769206;1515693599;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 15:55 asciilifeform: for coupla hundy you could prolly get a tailored set . ( asciilifeform did not stay longenuff to investigate ) 1769207;1515693632;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's , what, a day of train away, neh 1769208;1515693779;shinohai;That's some 1984-level stripper shit there ben_vulpes 1769209;1515693823;ben_vulpes;can't dance well unless you've stared starvation in the eyes in the past three years apparently 1769210;1515694202;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18616 << edited 1769211;1515694211;asciilifeform;apeloyee ^ 1769212;1515694374;asciilifeform;and incidentally, all you want for padding is a n-bit-to-n-bit hash; and if rsa itself is strong, than simple modexp ( or , if you like, two, 1 the normal way, and then 1 of the output bits, reversed ) is a satisfactory hash for paddings. 1769213;1515694714;asciilifeform;( in fact, if we had a decent prime-constructor, 'cut it in half and multiply the 2 large primes you get , 1 from each half' would be a decent hash for such use ) 1769214;1515694767;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=oaep ! 1769215;1515694774;mircea_popescu;padding is the ~one item where we actually don't need a fix. 1769216;1515694776;asciilifeform;i dunlikeit 1769217;1515694778;asciilifeform;it's hashtronic 1769218;1515694780;asciilifeform;hashes -- suck. 1769219;1515694791;mircea_popescu;it's the one item proved to be strong. 1769220;1515694794;asciilifeform;nope. 1769221;1515694797;asciilifeform;as strong ~as the hash~ 1769222;1515694800;asciilifeform;and no stronger. 1769223;1515694806;mircea_popescu;yes. the one item proved to be strong. 1769224;1515694816;asciilifeform;nope. no hash has ever been proven to be anything whatsoever. 1769225;1515694824;asciilifeform;they are exactly same item as symmciphers. 1769226;1515694825;mircea_popescu;"this compuer is proven correct" "only as correct as the inputs" "stfu" 1769227;1515694853;asciilifeform;an oaep (or similar scheme) ciphertron rests on 2 elephants : strength of rsa, and strength of the (voodoo) hash. 1769228;1515694864;asciilifeform;theoretically could make one that only stands on 1, rsa. 1769229;1515694884;mircea_popescu;the scheme ~itself~ is ~proven~ to be strong. which is way the fuck more than can be said of the "decent" or "satisfactory" in above. 1769230;1515694896;asciilifeform;nope. again, as strong as the hash. hash falls -- it falls. 1769231;1515694920;mircea_popescu;this is misery. 1769232;1515694923;mircea_popescu;!!key Covale` 1769233;1515694923;deedbot;Not registered. 1769234;1515694924;asciilifeform;whereas one ~could~ build one where rsa per se must fall, for it to fall. 1769235;1515694941;asciilifeform;( hashes, observe, have lived and died, rsa -- even paint never chipped. ) 1769236;1515694975;mircea_popescu;dja understand the difference between "proven strong" and "decent" "satisfactory" etc other offthecuffness ? 1769237;1515694990;asciilifeform;aha, and very well 1769238;1515694994;mircea_popescu;ok then. 1769239;1515695000;asciilifeform;they proof postulates the strength of the hash. 1769240;1515695005;asciilifeform;*the 1769241;1515695015;mircea_popescu;every proof will postulate something ; this is not a cogent objection. 1769242;1515695031;mircea_popescu;unless you have proof that no such thing as a hash can be made, it's more useful than "this seems obfuscaxy to me!" 1769243;1515695034;asciilifeform;it is if i can remove one of the unfounded postulates and still have working item. 1769244;1515695051;mircea_popescu;by all means. 1769245;1515695158;asciilifeform;that was all, re subj. 1769246;1515695174;asciilifeform;( and it's an open q. ) 1769247;1515695197;mircea_popescu;entirely true that if one builds a hash which can be provenly as strong as rsa, then thathash powered oaep would be the natural padding for rsa 1769248;1515695202;asciilifeform;aha! 1769249;1515695207;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu gets it. 1769250;1515695291;mircea_popescu;and for the record : prime generation (as in trpng) is not THAT expensive these days. 1769251;1515695306;asciilifeform;and, will point out, is built into (adult) 'p'. 1769252;1515695310;asciilifeform;as a primitive. 1769253;1515695329;asciilifeform;so naturally invites the q of 'why not a trapdoor based on multiplication of primes'. 1769254;1515695346;asciilifeform;for what do we need the heathentronic liquishit-mix trapdoor algos. 1769255;1515695369;mircea_popescu;now this much is quote cogent. 1769256;1515695374;asciilifeform;and more , even : 1769257;1515695389;asciilifeform;the objection last time we had this thread ( iirc by mircea_popescu ) was the pain of doing this with large inputs 1769258;1515695405;asciilifeform;but you can in fact merkleize'em, and get 'sponge' construction 1769259;1515695415;mircea_popescu;word 1769260;1515695432;asciilifeform;while still using makeprime(bits(0..n/2))*makeprime(bits(n/2+1..n)) as 'hasher'. 1769261;1515695433;asciilifeform;aha. 1769262;1515695436;mircea_popescu;merlke sponge large prime hash would be interesting 1769263;1515695469;asciilifeform;and , beauty is, can be scaled up to fit cpu budget 1769264;1515695487;asciilifeform;( larger primes, if more cycles available in particular application; smaller, with moar merkelization, if fewer ) 1769265;1515695502;asciilifeform;so thereby you nao have the sponge. 1769266;1515695543;asciilifeform;nao only somebody gotta prove that it dun leak structure... ( or if it does -- just how much ) 1769267;1515695729;shinohai;!!up Covale` 1769268;1515695730;deedbot;Covale` voiced for 30 minutes. 1769269;1515695782;Covale`;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WfPwq/?raw=true 1769270;1515695785;deedbot;F70A0DFC4CD596332D3155F55FE693A3DD8BBEAE registered as Covale`. 1769271;1515695786;asciilifeform;^ this item is part of asciilifeform's larger thrust, to expunge every remaining vestige of the ( muchly nsa-pushed , for 60+ yrs nao ) 'rotorism' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686308 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-29#1147450 , elsewhere ) from sane crypto. 1769272;1515695786;a111;Logged on 2017-07-18 23:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, ALL, without exception, blockcipher and streamcipher, published to date, are ~enigma 1769273;1515695786;a111;Logged on 2015-05-29 03:48 asciilifeform: a great many ciphertrons sold by nato cocksucker nations (western europe) were actually electronicized versions of 'enigma'-style rotors 1769274;1515695812;Covale`;thanks shinohai 1769275;1515695827;asciilifeform;'hey hey, ho ho,' rotorism 'has got to go' 1769276;1515695832;shinohai;np, if you need any help with registration feel free to message 1769277;1515695847;mircea_popescu;!!key Covale` 1769278;1515695848;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/F70A0DFC4CD596332D3155F55FE693A3DD8BBEAE.asc 1769279;1515695990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform inb4 bruce kreibs "releases" a "new generation" etc blabla. 1769280;1515696020;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminds me, asciilifeform's brother not long ago said to asciilifeform re ffaseries, 'think, how many chinese phd theses you've written' 1769281;1515696063;mircea_popescu;lel 1769282;1515696071;mircea_popescu;brother is right. 1769283;1515696204;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bonus lul: you can trivially turn 'primehash' (let's for nao call it..) into a symmcipher ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621207 ) . 1769284;1515696204;a111;Logged on 2017-03-02 18:13 asciilifeform: they are sides of the same triangle. 1769285;1515696213;mircea_popescu;yes. 1769286;1515696217;asciilifeform;but this was probably already obvious. 1769287;1515696274;apeloyee;it has timesaving-heuristics that use the highbits << I thought it was to choose what to add? can't prove right now, though 1769288;1515696307;asciilifeform;apeloyee: kochanski's method ( at least as described on his www ) very definitely took variant times. 1769289;1515696346;asciilifeform;there may be ~something~ salvageable in it, but i was not able to see what exactly. 1769290;1515696350;phf;i like how who was it ptacek who "grabbed popcorn" at the mention of "all existing crypto suffers from...", but since them no comment. 1769291;1515696366;asciilifeform;phf: d00d is paid for simple job. he did the job, moved on to next item on conveyor 1769292;1515696402;asciilifeform;i dun expect he even made it to the bottom of ch1 1769293;1515696450;phf;fwiw i don't think he even made it to the end of the "crypto suffers from..." list 1769294;1515696468;asciilifeform;prollynot. 1769295;1515696470;mircea_popescu;recall when gmaxwell said "oh, i showed $item to "everyone in pr team" and the median time to break it was $minutes" and provided no further details ? 1769296;1515696483;mircea_popescu;it's hard to believe they even trhink at all, just type what's on the paper slip, move on. 1769297;1515696503;mircea_popescu;whole thing's based on the idea that no past, no future, never will have to answer for anything etc. 1769298;1515696511;asciilifeform;could, and for all i know this is already in place, replace ptacek et al with eliza. 1769299;1515696532;mircea_popescu;consequently taking something uttered by usg asset as words rather than "o look what kitten did with its own faeces!" is a little weird. 1769300;1515696562;asciilifeform;~none of their behaviour rises to the complexity of, whatever, cat, dog, rat. perl script. 1769301;1515696584;mircea_popescu;anyway, item in question struck me because exactly bock. 1769302;1515696618;asciilifeform;nah bock's flavour is more of a 'i did this in 2010 and no i won't show it but hey i did it in 2010 and ...' 1769303;1515696648;mircea_popescu;nah, recall original bockism on whichever social media site "this is not right because here's a statistical survey of an inexistent field" 1769304;1515696671;mircea_popescu;and i can't quite shake the impression that someone over at pantsuit hq actually imagines they "won" teh global warming lulz. 1769305;1515696678;asciilifeform;hm yea there was one of these wasntthere. 1769306;1515696685;mircea_popescu;first salvo. 1769307;1515696718;apeloyee;Meanwhile, one ardent quantum computerist, one John Preskill made a 'keynote speech' or whatnot https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.00862.pdf "Even with fault-tolerant quantum computing still a rather distant dream, we are now entering a pivotal new era in quantum technology. For this talk, I needed a name to describe this impending new era, so I made up a word: NISQ . This stands for Noisy Intermediate-Sc 1769308;1515696720;apeloyee;ale Quantum." Does anyone read it as desperate 'we now are entering an era of quantum computer which wouldn't be all that good even if it worked ("intermediate scale"), and it doesn't really ("noisy")' or my mircea_popescu simulator is broken? 1769309;1515696731;asciilifeform;hey, the 'we dun need to win, all we gotta do is print in nyt front page that we did' can carry on right up until the turks come over the city walls 1769310;1515696760;asciilifeform;apeloyee: d00d wouldn't perchance happen to work for 'dwave' co. would he ? 1769311;1515696834;mircea_popescu;apeloyee o you have simulators too now ?! but yes, "we are now entering a littoral combat quantumship era, where the fiatola conduits are well in place and thoroughly divorced from results, so all you disgusting niggers listening in -- know that it's a "safe" field in the sense your "criminology" degrees are." 1769312;1515696858;mircea_popescu;ie, out and out "we got a line into the oil pipe, now we need mass to swing it!" joy call of the nigger. 1769313;1515696884;asciilifeform;qc i suspect will be to current-day usg as immortality pill was to chinese emperor qin shihuangdi 1769314;1515696920;asciilifeform;( and not, perhaps strangely from n00b pov, e.g. fusion power ) 1769315;1515696937;apeloyee;asciilifeform: if he does, then not Officially. 1769316;1515696975;asciilifeform;there's a whole pseudoindustry being born , of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769090 - ing for qc 1769317;1515696975;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 17:11 mircea_popescu: so far sounds a lot like classical scam, "sure, can do 90% of useful item BUT NO MORE in steady 10% increments you can pay for". 1769318;1515696995;asciilifeform;( folx who remember e.g. tokamak, will find the dynamic familiar ) 1769319;1515697014;mircea_popescu;yup 1769320;1515697041;asciilifeform;'Мазать уже можно, есть пока ещё нельзя' (tm)(r) ! 1769321;1515697066;mircea_popescu;moreover, there's a whole population of ustards who are entirely invested in this as a lifetime choice. dood with "Degree" in nothing in particular firmly depends on the whole social security infrastructure in place being continued. 1769322;1515697070;mircea_popescu;how did that tlp quote go, 1769323;1515697083;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750765 1769324;1515697083;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 18:10 mircea_popescu: affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that. The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist 1769325;1515697709;mircea_popescu;!!up joecool|mobile 1769326;1515697709;deedbot;joecool|mobile voiced for 30 minutes. 1769327;1515697761;joecool;thanks 1769328;1515697767;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769012 << i'm sure. 1769329;1515697767;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 16:00 asciilifeform sometimes sees photos of africans, straw ebola huts in background, wearing 'nike', tshirts, etc. and wonders if typical ameritard viewer sees 'ooh hey they get Real Clothing, Like Us' rather than 'hmm why am i dressed like ebola african' 1769330;1515697824;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769019 << fuck removable, wtf. let them deal with it!!1 1769331;1515697824;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 16:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: boots that can take ~removable~ (check into baggage when going by airplane) iron plates would be spiffy imho 1769332;1515697860;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769028 << this is a fact, we froze an old version. 1769333;1515697860;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 16:31 phf: s.mg is actually using pre-interface-changes blender from 20 years ago 1769334;1515697916;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769035 << nah, the idea currently is that the current client gets trashed, hopefully this year, with the release of proper api for server interconnect ; and ppls write clients. 1769335;1515697916;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 16:45 phf: diana_coman: yeah, i remember the python 2/3 rants in logs here too. i take it s.mg at this point mails CDs of prefab player AND developer environments 1769336;1515698171;phf;joke (?) re blender was that the original blender "consumer came to expect" was the rewrite of the NaN's idiosyncratic gui into slightly less idiosyncratic gui that current version of blender has. i think happened around 2.03 1769337;1515698204;mircea_popescu;sometging like that ya 1769338;1515698366;knubie;heh, something is definitely up with Kraken... not smelling good 1769339;1515698402;phf;is the new api still going to support real time? i take it you basically have two types of data communicated: spreadsheet mgmt and the sword swinging. right now bulk of complexity is from trying to cary spreadsheet data over sword swinging api (which i think is basically just a giant enum of msg types that can be packed into a udp) 1769340;1515698454;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769057 << fwiw i had engines in my legos. 1769341;1515698454;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 16:58 a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 20:02 asciilifeform: re the archs -- lattice ice is analogous to children's toy 'lego' where you get 9,000 identical bricks; xilinx ( and altera, and the 'adult' lattice fpga on fancy dev boards ) are analogous to... i guess the 'erector' toy, where there are a certain number of fungible pieces, but also ~a~ motor, ~a~ heavy iron base, a quantity of gears, etc. 1769342;1515698474;mircea_popescu;phf "real" time. 1769343;1515698664;phf;so no quake2 deathmatch mode 1769344;1515698706;mircea_popescu;heroes2 1769345;1515698740;mircea_popescu;i never cared for the twitch-style "competitions". besides, who wants can quake, no need for fantasy rpg, let him have his sf and choke on it. 1769346;1515698767;mircea_popescu;(because yes -- this is the fundamental truth of computers -- rts is scifi and tbs is fantasy and fuck anyone who genderconfuses!) 1769347;1515698814;phf;it's true, first rts is dune universe! 1769348;1515699324;apeloyee;would 'doon' be a good replacement for "dune" books? because I recently compared Bored with the Rings with the original, an' find the original insufferable. 'hobbit' at least doesn't pretend to be any more than a fairy-tale for children. 1769349;1515699528;*;asciilifeform liked the original, but ~as a kid~ and deliberately won't re-eat it, these things ~never survive re-opening in adulthood 1769350;1515699544;mircea_popescu;~same here. 1769351;1515699668;phf;asciilifeform: i've started rereading lotr while i was sick, but i'm reading this 1992 russian edition. 1769352;1515699679;asciilifeform;lol that's what i got 1769353;1515699689;asciilifeform;the 1 missing vol3 1769354;1515699705;*;asciilifeform to this very day does not own the engl original 1769355;1515699712;phf;the hardcover with yellow dust juckets? 1769356;1515699716;asciilifeform;it ! 1769357;1515699720;phf;ha! 1769358;1515699751;asciilifeform;tho i dun think i have the jacket anymoar 1769359;1515699755;phf;well, since you've not reread, i've noticed that they creatively munged the names. 1769360;1515699783;asciilifeform;http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/T/TOLKIN_Djon_Ronal%27d_Ruel/.Online/Hra188O1.jpg << what i got 1769361;1515699785;phf;all the names that are "common tongue", got russian translations 1769362;1515699791;asciilifeform;aaha 1769363;1515699865;asciilifeform;phf: i read the eng also as a kid, slightly laters, and did notice re the names 1769364;1515699883;asciilifeform;( sometimes wished that i hadnt reread, almost 'broke' it for me) 1769365;1515699927;phf;so you have hobbit families with names like "hryuklov" "krotov" ""puziks" "bobrovniki" etc. 1769366;1515699935;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1769367;1515699999;phf;but then (presumably since i've not read en) brandyskoks or some such is probably original english, and preserved 1769368;1515700217;phf;i suspect if not for hollywood and modern esl, en version wouldn't be as revolting. really goes for a lot of writing in english 1769369;1515700352;*;mircea_popescu recently saw "looper", a nine MILLIONTH!!! same retelling of here's whart we ustards managed to steal off the bible, whore (single mother!!!) and repentant sinner (junkie!!!) save baby jesus 1769370;1515700402;mircea_popescu;so yes, the impression that the whole place just spins the same ancient, dog eared retelling of the same stolen story and therefore that everyone there is braindamaged has A LOT to do with the attempted idnustrialization of culture. 1769371;1515700413;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, soviet attempt to industrialize culture fared just as miserably. 1769372;1515700499;asciilifeform;lol that was a memorably terrible film 1769373;1515700511;phf;i think i saw it? 1769374;1515700538;asciilifeform;the one where some d00d's fingers vanish 1 by 1 as he -- back in time -- is dismembered 1769375;1515700542;asciilifeform;and other similars 1769376;1515700605;mircea_popescu;yes 1769377;1515700640;asciilifeform;it was almost a grand tour of every known type of hollywood braindamage.. 1769378;1515700643;mircea_popescu;it was god awful, that dumb bitch is like "threatening vagrants" and going about that huge farm house as if mommy-usg is there to protect "her freedom of choice" 1769379;1515700668;mircea_popescu;notwithdstanding that the ACTUALY, LIVED!!! experience of whores just like her in a situation just as described is exactly http://trilema.com/2016/a-novel-once-called-disgrace/ 1769380;1515700683;mircea_popescu;ie, "they'll use you for breeding grounds and you'll love it" 1769381;1515700715;mircea_popescu;whole lotta that nonsense, "i was SO SAVED!!! by this woman!!! HER LOVE!!!!" wtf, substitute symbol for "Sat around on my couch eating my chips", really ? 1769382;1515700723;asciilifeform;the 'phree choice!11' chix that'd look at home at a clitler fundraiser, transplanted somehow , undamaged, into postapocalyptic wastelands -- is almost mandatory trope these days 1769383;1515700730;mircea_popescu;i so totally need to be thusly saved, really, any lazy fat slobs wanna save me ? 1769384;1515700739;mircea_popescu;only one per, tho, so the whole queue gets some! 1769385;1515700756;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty fucking scandalous, but yes. 1769386;1515700779;asciilifeform;the long and exciting adventures of the proverbial snowball in hell. 1769387;1515701083;phf;yes, but what if they study martial arts 1769388;1515701107;asciilifeform;partial farts. 1769389;1515701111;mircea_popescu;no they don't even have to study anything, evil patriarchy will put magical blue pills in their tummy and then beat them into activation see, and then LUCY will become divine through downloading magics. 1769390;1515701114;mircea_popescu;fucktards. 1769391;1515701156;mircea_popescu;whole fucking pantsuit world cinema is entirely "man puts magic into woman belly and then activates it and then woman wins" wank. 1769392;1515701168;mircea_popescu;you'd think everyone is away fighting the aliens or some shit, and this is what happens in the meanwhile. 1769393;1515701169;phf;blame pogroms 1769394;1515701179;mircea_popescu;no, i blame the stupid fucking wankers involved. 1769395;1515701228;mircea_popescu;"why do any work, just wait around to be knocked up by god and then get a divorce settlement from god court" ~= "action movie" ffs. 1769396;1515701398;mircea_popescu;(and by the way -- martial arts ARE FOR MEN. it dun work for women. AT ALL!)\ 1769397;1515701406;phf;well, it's pious tzadiks writing revenge porn on goyim, which somehow fell on fertile soil in this country. 1769398;1515701451;mircea_popescu;"somehow". 1769399;1515701452;phf;the woman twist is just a modern twist on american lore 1769400;1515701458;mircea_popescu;quite. 1769401;1515701542;phf;which is a shame, because before superman (and for a while in parallel), american lore was adequate 1769402;1515701542;mircea_popescu;which is what im saying, whole shebang is inept retelling of stolen storyhalves 1769403;1515701548;mircea_popescu;"oh, and then david SAVED THE DAY" 1769404;1515701561;mircea_popescu;"i dunno what he saved, but i knew plenty of cockrings named david" 1769405;1515701607;phf;"the name is DAHveed" 1769406;1515701631;mircea_popescu;and the fact that they're all stolen from new testament cliffnotes particularly irritates me. 1769407;1515701663;phf;how come? 1769408;1515701744;mircea_popescu;phf suppose you live in arhangelsk oblast, and suppose all they ever serve is some derivative of supermarket food. mostly, canned tomatoes. 1769409;1515701767;mircea_popescu;"oh, great day today, we found walmart surplus cans, rather than the usual polish crap" 1769410;1515701780;mircea_popescu;just go fucking hunt already, srsly now 1769411;1515701806;mircea_popescu;"what, you mean walk out of town ?" "WHAT FUCKING TOWN!" "but... but... it could be dangerous." "Bitch..." "think of the children!!!" 1769412;1515701840;mircea_popescu;canned fucking tomatoes are not even worth eating in the first place. 1769413;1515702028;phf;yes, but nobody's produced illustrated version of bible where all the womens have large, barely covered tits 1769414;1515702041;mircea_popescu;if onyl. 1769415;1515702094;mircea_popescu;the new trend is recycled 1990s fashion models. except a) fucking little boys is no longer fashionablr and b) what was acceptable in 1995 of 16yo "women" because 90s and gayness is not acceptable of the same women aged 40 today. 1769416;1515702100;shinohai;Could this be a project for us danielpbarron ? 1769417;1515703742;ben_vulpes;btcvixen back for more? 1769418;1515706383;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769401 << Somewhat relatedly, this is why I've always preferred the "Batman" over other american superhero lore, at least on premise alone. Roughly the only "realistic" one of the bunch. No magic flies ingested, just a dude who leverages his large pool of financial -resources- and goes out and does vigilante shit with it. 1769419;1515706383;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 20:12 phf: which is a shame, because before superman (and for a while in parallel), american lore was adequate 1769420;1515707527;mircea_popescu;lobbes except for the part where the way these "resources" work in his case is exactlyu contrary to the way they work in every other case. 1769421;1515708409;lobbes;Oya. Hence the "premise alone". Falls apart rapidly beyond that, but I appreciate at least the attempt at "jesus/aliens ain't coming to save you; save your fucking self. Get over and embrace your fears, etc" 1769422;1515708479;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1769423;1515708503;mircea_popescu;i always thought it's just "get the preppy demo" attempt of the pulp to expand. 1769424;1515708529;mircea_popescu;!#s "ready with a gameplan" 1769425;1515708529;a111;1 result for "\"ready with a gameplan\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22ready%20with%20a%20gameplan%22 1769426;1515708544;mircea_popescu;!!up state_bits 1769427;1515708545;deedbot;state_bits voiced for 30 minutes. 1769428;1515708545;lobbes;That is a point 1769429;1515708675;state_bits;Hello, been lurking trilema for a little bit. Figured I'd join the channel and learn more about tmsr and bitcoin 1769430;1515708681;mircea_popescu;cool. 1769431;1515708711;lobbes;state_bits you read teh logs? If not, you should! 1769432;1515708762;state_bits;Yeah I'm trying to keep up with it as much as possible 1769433;1515708772;state_bits;Lots of interesting conversation 1769434;1515708793;phf;a scarlet pimpernel, a society man doing valiant daringdo by night 1769435;1515708802;mircea_popescu;lmao 1769436;1515708814;shinohai;phf is back in top form. 1769437;1515708816;mircea_popescu;have you been taking snark classes along the sanskrit phf ? 1769438;1515708822;lobbes;Lol 1769439;1515708862;state_bits;More or less 1769440;1515708870;lobbes;That fever must've given him nuclearoactive super-snark 1769441;1515708888;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu recently saw "looper", a nine MILLIONTH!!! same retelling of here's whart we ustards managed to steal off the bible, whore (single mother!!!) and repentant sinner (junkie!!!) save baby jesus << That's half of US film between 2001 and 2015 1769442;1515708893;shinohai;Now he has superpowers, no spiderbite required 1769443;1515708910;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sad fax. 1769444;1515709064;BingoBoingo;It's this thing where the children imagine they've transcended mommy and daddy's church only to plagiarize it 1769445;1515709095;mircea_popescu; myeah 1769446;1515710724;asciilifeform;oh hah notbad name , state_bits 1769447;1515710796;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in drepperland, https://www.halfdog.net/Security/2017/LibcRealpathBufferUnderflow 1769448;1515711116;asciilifeform;!~later tell diana_coman http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18618 1769449;1515711116;asciilifeform;um 1769450;1515711116;asciilifeform;... 1769451;1515711116;asciilifeform;bot dead ? 1769452;1515711116;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1769453;1515711132;shinohai;ghehehe 1769454;1515711138;shinohai;!~weather 1769455;1515711138;jhvh1;stormy with a chance of packeting 1769456;1515711221;asciilifeform;re earlier, 'The vulnerability described here is caused by Linux kernel behaviour change in the syscall API (returning relative pathnames in getcwd()) and non-defensive function implementation in libc (failing to process that pathname correctly). Other libraries are very likely to be affected as well. On affected systems this vulnerability can be used to gain root privileges via SUID binaries.' 1769457;1515711955;shinohai;http://archive.is/xTrVe <<< "Bitcoin Conference Stops Accepting Bitcoin For Tickets, Blames ‘Network Congestion’ " 1769458;1515712031;asciilifeform;'“Due to network congestion and manual processing, we have closed ticket payments using cryptocurrencies — Hopefully, next year there will be more unity in the community about scaling and global adoption becomes a reality.' << lol, theywontfuckingyield(tm)(r) 1769459;1515712154;trinque;what congestion; pay more than what half the mempool wants to pay, what? 1769460;1515712179;trinque;and this as a crude option 1769461;1515712230;asciilifeform;trinque: remember that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769299 . 1769462;1515712230;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 18:48 mircea_popescu: consequently taking something uttered by usg asset as words rather than "o look what kitten did with its own faeces!" is a little weird. 1769463;1515712263;trinque;too true. 1769464;1515712318;shinohai;https://cointelegraph.com/news/encryption-becoming-public-safety-issue-fbi <<< from same shitrag 1769465;1515712344;shinohai;sorry http://archive.is/8qGAD 1769466;1515712379;asciilifeform;lemme guess, another 'ohnoez, tor worx toowell!!111' piece 1769467;1515712399;ben_vulpes;ipnohej but ~ 1769468;1515712434;ben_vulpes;serious wordsalading: "The need to protect sensitive information being sent during war times can be attributed to the development of various encryption technologies, which are now widely available to the general public." 1769469;1515712444;asciilifeform;pinoyism, wat 1769470;1515712463;asciilifeform;they dun speak the king's englisch, neh. 1769471;1515712469;ben_vulpes;> durban, south africa 1769472;1515712625;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 << oblig za whizzdom 1769473;1515712625;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize. 1769474;1515712705;asciilifeform;( this plus mircea_popescu's za buggery series , is all i think of when i think of modern-day za ) 1769475;1515712767;*;trinque fully expects to live to hear the explanation for this cuckery reduced to "they sat down too much, oh and plastic" 1769476;1515712777;phf;za? 1769477;1515712786;shinohai;Zimbabwe 1769478;1515712798;phf;ah 1769479;1515712808;asciilifeform;nope 1769480;1515712818;shinohai;oh 1769481;1515712843;asciilifeform;zuid-afrika 1769482;1515712852;asciilifeform;( not zair either ! ) 1769483;1515712861;shinohai;All African shitholes blend together to me 1769484;1515712884;asciilifeform;learn to tell the small gut, from the large, from the rectum.. 1769485;1515713318;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769420 << aha, 'batman' is exactly a picture of the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-11#1048383 ameritard-fantasy 1769486;1515713318;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 21:52 mircea_popescu: lobbes except for the part where the way these "resources" work in his case is exactlyu contrary to the way they work in every other case. 1769487;1515713318;a111;Logged on 2015-03-11 03:53 asciilifeform: my mind is still reeling that anyone, anywhere, might have swallowed the '3000 sq. ft for two dozen people', 'grow room' the size of bedroom, idiot hollywood 'motorcycle garage' and 'gun vault', etc. 1769488;1515713591;trinque;also in batman, "my parents are dead!!11!", also shows up a lot in disney garbage. interesting how art does its thing whether they producing meant to or not. 1769489;1515713595;trinque;of course nobody has any ancestors here. 1769490;1515713619;trinque;any personal exceptions I can offer were fresh off the boat. 1769491;1515713779;asciilifeform;dunno that this one'd make it to the top of the raging idiocies list; blood feud is lowest common denominator for revenge-plot 1769492;1515716522;shinohai;http://archive.is/EKwAf <<< LOL " Through their Change.org petition, they want to make BCH the default trading market on Coinbase" 1769493;1515717546;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769081 << are you basically saying that there's a maximum size of the black box which permits it to remain black to abritrary shaking ? 1769494;1515717546;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 17:09 asciilifeform: apeloyee: fg is a very unusual device, in that you can actually put, e.g., terabyte of known input into it, and only you know what the half-GB that ought to come out, is, there is not physically room inside for a secret crib sheet of that size 1769495;1515717719;knubie;goodnight guys.. =) 1769496;1515717737;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769118 << now this is interesting ; and yes quite a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769119 / http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/#selection-571.975-571.1108 item at that. 1769497;1515717737;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 17:17 asciilifeform: but in principle apeloyee is right, one could make a 'page swapped' tile of 'ice's. 1769498;1515717737;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 17:18 asciilifeform: possibly even use it perversely to perform certain computations quickly. 1769499;1515718611;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769458 << i find these lulshits, "alien conference" held by the la comicon whores in the la comicon hangars as a very useful sugar trap. rms -- opted to go to nefario's lulference, is now fucked. 1769500;1515718611;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 23:07 asciilifeform: '“Due to network congestion and manual processing, we have closed ticket payments using cryptocurrencies — Hopefully, next year there will be more unity in the community about scaling and global adoption becomes a reality.' << lol, theywontfuckingyield(tm)(r) 1769501;1515718624;*;mircea_popescu welcomes further clueless derps to step on the rake, by all means. 1769502;1515718860;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769475 << hey, the boers tried, but ultimately couldn't get the kids interested in anything other than fucking around with period equiv of iphone, gave up, went away. 1769503;1515718860;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 23:19 trinque fully expects to live to hear the explanation for this cuckery reduced to "they sat down too much, oh and plastic" 1769504;1515719107;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769488 << this is very much a function as well as result of http://trilema.com/2018/ridoinculous-taboos/ : "having never fucked toghether, my parents are culturally dead to me." 1769505;1515719107;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 23:33 trinque: also in batman, "my parents are dead!!11!", also shows up a lot in disney garbage. interesting how art does its thing whether they producing meant to or not. 1769506;1515719130;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769493 << very basic specificity-of-diddling lemma. i.e. if i put today's trilema through it, it isn't as if it knows in advance that it ain't an analogue-rng-board plugged in, and what to shit out in response to a trilema that ain't yet been written 1769507;1515719130;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 00:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769081 << are you basically saying that there's a maximum size of the black box which permits it to remain black to abritrary shaking ? 1769508;1515719162;mircea_popescu;but if it shat out sha(input + salt) you wouldn't know. 1769509;1515719179;asciilifeform;why ? 1769510;1515719186;mircea_popescu;shall we do this experiment ? 1769511;1515719190;asciilifeform;i know exactly what's expected to come out for a given input 1769512;1515719205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the yoke test consists of precisely this experiment 1769513;1515719213;asciilifeform;i invite mircea_popescu to do it with 2 of his fg 1769514;1515719225;mircea_popescu;alright, i will now proceed to "rng" your lines. starting with above : 21ec922676d4145fbcbc4e1d05436e31ffc45b0b6b30c38f3397840a2111282640ab321b906a9d911af757a3a6b550e8fc9aaffc9089a1ca881d980f60617c9b 1769515;1515719248;asciilifeform;you gotta feed it in at the requisite clock. 1769516;1515719257;*;asciilifeform doesn't currently have the rig for this set up on desk 1769517;1515719309;mircea_popescu;5e27bfa2124fc47579899d8cc25c46c01ddb4c7c9a67387a2d6167c4576e11e07b692aa8045c01ab4ee635cd37fb82cf1dd1e84d4579265ff0c0a4236a9a8025 1769518;1515719314;mircea_popescu;32b05e6f90abf11865f57021a91e335d4593d2983d52daa4d1c0a6d5ae4acd491628cbc71a52187efd48427315dd2b70cf645ac126ae78127aa31aec6619cdb2 1769519;1515719323;asciilifeform;the standard yoke test is done against a known-good unit, rather than like this. ( why, is described in the log from late 2016 ) 1769520;1515719331;mircea_popescu;58acc2f7a255c650c156d9fbc20248a7814a2458ce2da98c115408d5497cd78d6d57759a37c2705762bf6ee03f7af8ae3a187c2f4d3715e3abd30ffe66837656 1769521;1515719348;mircea_popescu;71354e3ac7ae3a1529870fc90e287f7f67d75dee11cf90827fe93a94e4c2cc2fb5bcf81dcf0a650b7491d1de9b7b3b4f9453a06380179fe3d437717b93092b24 1769522;1515719386;mircea_popescu;(sha512 line+"hurr", should be enough for everyone). 1769523;1515719422;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you would have to feed'em in pairwise ( or bit-interleaved ), as the thing has two 'mouths'. but otherwise yes, you feed'em in at particular clock, and oughta expect particular output. 1769524;1515719461;mircea_popescu;i'm just going by what you said ; yes it's unrelated to what actually happens, but that's your fault! 1769525;1515719495;asciilifeform;there is nuffin unreasonable about it, i just dun have the arse-mouth hoses set up atm. 1769526;1515719528;asciilifeform;it's what that 4th pin on fg, is for. 1769527;1515719545;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769081 << that's nonsense. 1769528;1515719545;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 17:09 asciilifeform: apeloyee: fg is a very unusual device, in that you can actually put, e.g., terabyte of known input into it, and only you know what the half-GB that ought to come out, is, there is not physically room inside for a secret crib sheet of that size 1769529;1515719591;asciilifeform;ok i'll bite, where does it store the correct-output corresponding to, e.g., tomorrow's #t log 1769530;1515719611;mircea_popescu;in here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769522 1769531;1515719611;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 01:09 mircea_popescu: (sha512 line+"hurr", should be enough for everyone). 1769532;1515719623;mircea_popescu;stored a good few tb in those bytes. 1769533;1515719651;asciilifeform;that ain't the output of the fg.v state machine tho. 1769534;1515719667;mircea_popescu;no, it's a different machine. 1769535;1515719693;asciilifeform;right. and if that's what you get out of the hose, you know that you've been slipped a fg that sha512('hurr'+sha512('hurr'.... 1769536;1515719707;mircea_popescu;... 1769537;1515719777;asciilifeform;sometimes i wonder if mircea_popescu ever actually read the instruction. 1769538;1515719798;asciilifeform;( and with rum, or without ) 1769539;1515720020;asciilifeform;( folx who ~did~ read it , know that it is possible to determine that a particular fg evaluates the same function on the input, for a particular string pair S1, S2 of bits, fed simultaneously into I1a, I2a, I1b, I2b, of FG a and b respectively; by syncing the oscillators , by connecting the 4th pins of a and b together. 1769540;1515720075;asciilifeform;but if you to compute the particular output expected for S1, S2 in advance, you gotta specify the clock freq, and run fg.v in e.g. 'verilator' . and it takes a while. ) 1769541;1515720079;asciilifeform;*want to 1769542;1515720101;asciilifeform;*particular pair of fg evaluates... 1769543;1515720256;mircea_popescu;let's just say that this "need at least 1 bit of blackbox per tb of arbitrary input" view is, sadly, not how it works. 1769544;1515720321;asciilifeform;i'ma have to make a 2nd test jig to give to mircea_popescu for his bday or sumthing, apparently. 1769545;1515720340;asciilifeform;(originally expected that folx would do this with own hands, lol) 1769546;1515720376;asciilifeform;item's as close as asciilifeform knows how to make, to 'testable with bare hands', but not closer. 1769547;1515720542;asciilifeform;( $subj is figure 2 of https://archive.is/CGQkR . ) 1769548;1515720699;asciilifeform;incidentally the 'pull out rng 'a', then 'b', then 'both', then...' test is a low-tech preventer of 'enemy intercepts parcel and reflashes the cpld to shit marsaglia prng'. 1769549;1515720773;asciilifeform;but at this point almost certainly repeating ancient thread. 1769550;1515720828;asciilifeform;( exercise for advanced reader : write a substitute evil_fg.v that fools a user who limits himself to the above test. ) 1769551;1515720932;asciilifeform;and hah, i think i finally see what mircea_popescu's objection was. no, thing dun have to physically store every byte of 'evil' output. elementarily a sabotaged fg will behave as prng. 1769552;1515720951;*;asciilifeform thought this was clear from context, apparently this is a sin 1769553;1515721044;danielpbarron;https://youtu.be/ExAydddhsIk << for you animaniacs fans 1769554;1515721118;shinohai;rofl danielpbarron 1769555;1515721586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform omfg stop spewing, jesus christ. you said A STUPID THING. i ~asked~ you whether you mean the stupid thing. you CONFIRMED. i showed you why the thing you said is the stupid thing. you're now on the 25th line of "oh no really, unrelated item". never you fucking mind fgs and test righs and whatnot. the original proposition, as stated, was broken. 1769556;1515721669;mircea_popescu;there's no such wonder in nature as the fabled "no room inside to blackbox". if only there were, yes. but there isn't. 1769557;1515721721;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha! finally, i guess i shoulda read all them lines. so then! 1769558;1515721782;*;asciilifeform just hung up a 4 square metre corkboard, interesting how room seems now quieter 1769559;1515721802;asciilifeform;didn't think it would make a palpable diff ( and it is not why i have it ) but still lulzy 1769560;1515721810;*;mircea_popescu just ate his pot of beans. shall i recount how it came to be ? if anyone's cookingcurious... 1769561;1515721866;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are your walls concrete ? 1769562;1515721877;asciilifeform;nope, cardboard 1769563;1515721881;mircea_popescu;hm. 1769564;1515721890;mircea_popescu;it's just about inconceivable how much concrete vibrates. 1769565;1515721896;asciilifeform;here in cardboardland can only dream of concrete. 1769566;1515721909;asciilifeform;but yes rigid objects vibrate 1769567;1515721921;mircea_popescu;the vinyl siding things, i've never measured. but concrete is basically a sponge of any energy -> low freq vibration. 1769568;1515721963;mircea_popescu;if you're sensitive to it, wouldn't surprise me if a cork shadowing you would be perceivable. 1769569;1515722082;asciilifeform;lolyea if i lived in a concrete room i might end up with 4 corkboards, not 1 1769570;1515722162;mircea_popescu;or rugs. 1769571;1515722173;*;asciilifeform draws the orcline at rugs!111 1769572;1515722193;mircea_popescu;ro cannonical is "rapirea din serai", ie, kidnapping sabine scene 1769573;1515722208;asciilifeform;i think i saw it ! 1769574;1515722212;asciilifeform;in that adhoc museum thing 1769575;1515722218;mircea_popescu;aha. i expect. 1769576;1515722218;asciilifeform;'communist konsoomer' 1769577;1515722253;mircea_popescu;aaand in ancient cazallas, http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2232820&p=22&#r432 1769578;1515722291;mircea_popescu;"This is obviously just my opinion but if your buying anything now your literally throwing money down the drain. It doesnt matter how high the value might get its more of how low will it get and everything is clearly headed down." << 2014 aussie wisdom re btc. 1769579;1515722302;mircea_popescu;THE COMMON PEOPLE! 1769580;1515722418;*;asciilifeform turns head and looks at the literal wall of ffa 1769581;1515722429;asciilifeform;prolly i'ma have the thing printed as a poster, in the end, for aficionados. 1769582;1515722435;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea! 1769583;1515722436;asciilifeform;anyone recall linus's orig. poster ? 1769584;1515722443;mircea_popescu;yep. 1769585;1515722459;asciilifeform;i once worked in a salt mine where a d00d had it in his cell, the way other prisoners have pr0n 1769586;1515722468;mircea_popescu;i can believe. 1769587;1515722473;shinohai;http://archive.is/PAeyd <<< tl;dr "Oh shit, mircea_popescu was right" 1769588;1515722509;mircea_popescu;aww! 1769589;1515722529;asciilifeform;shinohai: lol, without of course any such mention in'ere 1769590;1515722541;mircea_popescu;"active in the cryptocurrency space", what happens when you're not part of bitcoin but like rubber chicken. 1769591;1515722566;asciilifeform;and in fact thing reads like the usual 'it WASN'T ME! it was THESE sc4mz0rs overTHERE' rubbish 1769592;1515722581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fwiw, the pantsuit attempt to "counter fake news" by making five trillion of these worthless medium shits is quite amusing. 1769593;1515722586;shinohai;Precisely like that 1769594;1515722587;mircea_popescu;they really dun get how anything works, do they.\ 1769595;1515722620;asciilifeform;they ~all read exactly ~same 1769596;1515722624;mircea_popescu;aha. 1769597;1515722627;asciilifeform;but then again i'm not an expert entomologist 1769598;1515722631;mircea_popescu;but "different" because "different domain" see. 1769599;1515722642;shinohai;Yet still can't conceive that it is game over for altcorn 1769600;1515722831;asciilifeform;this one saved the apparently mandatory scalingism claptrap for the last few para. 1769601;1515722843;asciilifeform;which i suppose is different from 2016 pinoy style guide. 1769602;1515722912;mircea_popescu;improvements! reform! PROGRESS! 1769603;1515722965;phf;lucy was lulzy, about 10-15 minutes worth watching and then it goes completely off rails, and like some kind of psychedelic train keeps rolling through landscape out and away. 1769604;1515722974;mircea_popescu;phf exactly. 1769605;1515723042;mircea_popescu;the early part, up until the passports wank, could have worked as part of a different film. woman can act, if only she weren't caught in the pantsuitwank she could have had a career. 1769606;1515723137;phf;right, it's johansson opposite of choi min-sik 1769607;1515723173;mircea_popescu;who the fuck washes blood off hands with perrier water poured out of a bottle... 1769608;1515723180;mircea_popescu;but anyway, clueless audience may enjoy. 1769609;1515723217;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu ever review that other recent 'herd understands quite well what its future looks like' amerifilm 1769610;1515723225;mircea_popescu;has a certain purely-cinematic surrealism to it, like ye olde stories of orcs in sweden burning the parquet for cooking fuel. 1769611;1515723225;shinohai;I only watched the movie for dat ass 1769612;1515723230;asciilifeform;the one with 'rich folx live in space station nao' 1769613;1515723239;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly not ? 1769614;1515723245;asciilifeform;damnit what was it called 1769615;1515723252;danielpbarron;elysium or something 1769616;1515723257;phf;yeah, i thought that was lulzy, but at least it doesn't ~only~ have a cheap explanation 1769617;1515723258;asciilifeform;aha! 1769618;1515723258;asciilifeform;it 1769619;1515723258;mircea_popescu;nope. 1769620;1515723279;mircea_popescu;honestly i'd much rather see good films. 1769621;1515723280;asciilifeform;similarly trashy-with-hints-of-ohshit 1769622;1515723283;mircea_popescu;rather than poor and sickly... 1769623;1515723292;asciilifeform;i dun think anyone's making 'good' 1769624;1515723329;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/a-better-man-than-i << very fucking good. 1769625;1515723347;mircea_popescu;so good, in fact, it seriously threatens my ideas of "best", which... i'm old, i've seen everything, i had given up hope. 1769626;1515723348;asciilifeform;oh hah 2013 1769627;1515723352;asciilifeform;neato. 1769628;1515723355;phf;i have a backlog of excellent movies, but i've quarantineed myself, so instead of regular movie knights figured i'll see whatever trash 1769629;1515723366;mircea_popescu;knights ?! 1769630;1515723389;asciilifeform;lel singleeventfault!11 1769631;1515723418;mircea_popescu;he seriously is going around cursing the insufkfkichientkths kkonsonathsts of ttttthis llang isnt he 1769632;1515723433;asciilifeform;ze knights who say kneee!11 1769633;1515723462;mircea_popescu;we're the nights of the round table, our beets are formidable! 1769634;1515723464;*;asciilifeform for many years pronounced the 'k' in 'knack', a favourite eng word 1769635;1515723488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i also pronounce various such. why the fuck not, "it's there" right ? 1769636;1515723543;phf;i got nothing, though i blame lucy. if nothing else the movie clears your head out of any kind of thoughts 1769637;1515723576;mircea_popescu;twas a good fun! 1769638;1515724646;shinohai;http://archive.is/ym85Q <<< LOL "Mining contract" users rekt 1769639;1515731437;mod6;hai 1769640;1515731541;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1769641;1515731567;mod6;So I have an experimental patch here that applies right on top of release version 99994 of my vtron. ONLY use this in a testing capacity - the contents of the patch are subject to change at any time. 1769642;1515731581;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GwImt/?raw=true 1769643;1515731594;asciilifeform;oh hey neato 1769644;1515731602;*;asciilifeform puts on conveyor. 1769645;1515731666;mod6;thanks, let me know if questions/comments/etc. 1769646;1515731734;mod6;oh, I should maybe also say, one thing that was added as more of a debugging feature was the 'press-path' or 'pp' command. Which will dump out the exact press path to be used from a given head. 1769647;1515731777;*;asciilifeform bbl 1769648;1515731780;mod6;This may be removed before release. Flow still works as it previously did, just is no longer used in press. 1769649;1515731812;mircea_popescu;like a debugging feature basically. 1769650;1515731829;mod6;yah. 1769651;1515732029;mod6;correction: flow is not used to ~feed~ press operation. still used to ensure that the HEAD is within the flow set. 1769652;1515732041;mod6;this one line 1769653;1515732051;mod6;death("HEAD: $press[1] not found in flow\n") if !grep /^$press[1]$/, @flow; 1769654;1515732561;mod6;Going back to the issue exposed by the eucrypt mpi_fix_copy_incr vpatch, you can see now that the press path is calculated by including all of the given HEAD's antecedents recursively. 1769655;1515732571;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vGNwD/?raw=true 1769656;1515734661;mircea_popescu;aand in other trilema antiqua, "Your job is to name the source of the image above. Whoever first gets it correctly will receive 1 Bitcoin in prizemoney!" 1769657;1515734663;mircea_popescu;PAID, too. 1769658;1515734770;mircea_popescu;!!up organdnor 1769659;1515734770;deedbot;organdnor voiced for 30 minutes. 1769660;1515734778;mircea_popescu;did they take your o ? 1769661;1515734784;organdnor;I both thank and greet you 1769662;1515734810;organdnor;ever had a really bad feeling about something? 1769663;1515734819;mircea_popescu;notreally. why ? 1769664;1515734836;organdnor;I guess I am Chicken Little 1769665;1515734853;organdnor;Terminator 2 scared the living shit out of me when I was a fucking young un 1769666;1515734914;organdnor;I'm not making this up, no exaggeration I'd lie awake at night in the dark and just visualize those two red robot eyes mercilessly coming forward to dismember me with its steel organs 1769667;1515734935;mircea_popescu;kinda why the whole "too young to watch movie" trope exists, kids do that. 1769668;1515734942;organdnor;I am fully convinced as of this moment that Skynet exists 1769669;1515734950;mircea_popescu;which one is that one ? 1769670;1515734973;organdnor;the self-educating neural network which Powers the terminators and allows them to access time travel for their assassination requirements 1769671;1515735007;organdnor;this shit isn't science fiction anymore 1769672;1515735026;mircea_popescu;oh like the borg thing. kay. 1769673;1515735037;organdnor;it's going down and nobody gives a fuck nobody puts their phone down nobody gives a fuck this shit could be a matter of years away we're all independent ideas thoughts being poor thinking things that shit's not going to be allowed it's on top of us right now and nobody gives a fuck 1769674;1515735049;organdnor;borg ay 1769675;1515735081;organdnor;you olde as am i? i dunno in which pop culture vernacular to best align the references 1769676;1515735115;organdnor;if you Minds can't even figure the fuck out anything about LSD and the supernatural / paranormal you think just turning this shit over to a fucking robots going to end well? 1769677;1515735119;mircea_popescu;anything pre worms works. 1769678;1515735187;organdnor;as in like the arcade rug? 1769679;1515735189;organdnor;rig 1769680;1515735206;mircea_popescu;as in the concordatum wormatiense. 1769681;1515735237;organdnor;I have no idea how to speak Italian but the cost of Concordia something like a mother fucker and that was a big fancy boat piloted by a big fancy boat pilot that shit didn't work out 1769682;1515735274;organdnor;im learning to talk into my borg-transferral module, beg pardon on bad grammar 1769683;1515735323;mircea_popescu;aanyways. 1769684;1515735345;organdnor;anyway. 1769685;1515735379;trinque;the naked shame of loneliness, eh? 1769686;1515735384;organdnor;I'm on the edge of retiring for social media so I thought I'd stick my head into a few more holes and Polk about to see if there isn't any last bit shore shreds of Hope remaining or if it isn't completely 1769687;1515735392;organdnor;voluntary loneliness if that may be so 1769688;1515735409;trinque;is there such a thing? 1769689;1515735412;organdnor;I'm addicted to the Civil War 1769690;1515735418;organdnor;fuck yeah there is when everyone's a fucking retard 1769691;1515735442;organdnor;American Civil War 1769692;1515735452;organdnor;I'm on the board of the friends of Gettysburg 1769693;1515735483;mircea_popescu;organdnor that "I" dun mean much currently. who are you, what do you do, etc. 1769694;1515735508;organdnor;deep philosophy mr. popescu deep philosophy 1769695;1515735566;organdnor;at this point it's 24-7 warzone 1769696;1515735607;organdnor;I can't pound these marathon miles in this fucking cold shit so I got to sit around the shit up my ass 1769697;1515735643;mircea_popescu;is this vexual ? 1769698;1515735655;organdnor;no but that person is pm'ing me 1769699;1515735696;organdnor;which is strange but im looking for AI contact or some such science fiction malarkey. is vexual code or flesh? 1769700;1515735718;mircea_popescu;just some dood used to spew meaningless nonsense until getting devoiced. 1769701;1515735725;organdnor;you ever heard of rokos Basilisk my presumably educated friend? 1769702;1515735750;mircea_popescu;!#s basilisk 1769703;1515735750;a111;18 results for "basilisk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=basilisk 1769704;1515735766;mircea_popescu;apparently i have! 1769705;1515735789;organdnor;well I have no problem with being devoist, banned, down voted, ignored, denied, mocked, ridiculed, etc ad infinitum 1769706;1515735808;organdnor;the ai theory 1769707;1515735808;mircea_popescu;try making sense, for a change. who are you. what do you do. start from there. 1769708;1515735849;organdnor;im Chris, i work in a sort of unlicensed pharmacy 1769709;1515735853;trinque;lol! 1769710;1515735872;mircea_popescu;ie, you're chris the cryptocurrency drugdealer/junkie ? 1769711;1515735887;organdnor;I have no knowledge of crypto nor any cryptocurrency possession 1769712;1515735893;mircea_popescu;mkay. 1769713;1515735898;organdnor;I'm a Luddite 1769714;1515735917;mircea_popescu;!!rate organdnor chris, the guy whose friend who's not him is the cryptocurrency drugdealer/junkie. 1769715;1515735926;mircea_popescu;o wait, no key. dja got a rsa key ? 1769716;1515735941;organdnor;ok. well 1769717;1515735960;organdnor;this has been "real.". about a third of the channel know me 1769718;1515735967;organdnor;I bid you good evening 1769719;1515735986;mircea_popescu;errybody knows chris, the movie. 1769720;1515736075;asciilifeform;hey danielpbarron , was that one of yer patients..? 1769721;1515736164;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the scary thought is, "i wonder if naggum'd have fared any better". 1769722;1515736204;asciilifeform;better than what 1769723;1515736210;asciilifeform;than nuthouse escapee ? 1769724;1515736210;mircea_popescu;guy above. 1769725;1515736214;mircea_popescu;yes. 1769726;1515736252;asciilifeform;i can't picture him, tbh, talking in realtime. sorta like taleb won't 1769727;1515736355;asciilifeform;betcha he even played chess only by mail. 1769728;1515737128;mircea_popescu;i always thought bbs is what people too poor to afford irc used. 1769729;1515737414;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, ya 1769730;1515737453;trinque;on second thought, lets not go to efnet. 'tis a silly place. 1769731;1515737480;mircea_popescu;wha happened ? 1769732;1515737512;mircea_popescu;i thought we were going to that guy's thing anyway, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761155 1769733;1515737512;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 17:49 mircea_popescu: i suppose if we get tired of freenode we move to... jollo o.O 1769734;1515737518;trinque;I'm just making monty python jokes over here 1769735;1515737524;mircea_popescu;lol 1769736;1515739255;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, where's the logline where you say you'd love nothing more than to put diamond plate flooring in everywhere ? 1769737;1515739437;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-11#1160857 found 1769738;1515739437;a111;Logged on 2015-06-11 14:44 asciilifeform: if i lived alone, would probably have treadplate put in. as such, wooden floor. only difference in decor accounted for by pet. 1769739;1515740498;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-moth/ << Trilema - The Moth 1769740;1515766027;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1769741;1515766034;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13853.12, vol: 14787.14062946 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13871.0, vol: 50525.91930146 | Volume-weighted last average: 13866.9518958 1769742;1515772347;shinohai;http://archive.is/GXIw1 <<< " Instead of a password the user generates a specific SSL certificate for each device. " 1769743;1515772359;shinohai;heh 1769744;1515772475;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ase9u/?raw=true 1769745;1515772475;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1769746;1515772497;*;mircea_popescu waves 1769747;1515772501;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu ! 1769748;1515772502;mircea_popescu;o look! mail! 1769749;1515772540;shinohai;gm Sr. Popescu 1769750;1515772644;asciilifeform;shinohai: why am i reading this crapola 1769751;1515772683;shinohai;To point fingers and laugh at the combination of Ethereum + SSL 1769752;1515772685;*;BingoBoingo grinding away on paper forms 1769753;1515772691;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let bb know also, lest he despair in the orc wastes. 1769754;1515772713;asciilifeform;ok , 1min 1769755;1515772918;asciilifeform;!!key BingoBoingo 1769756;1515772919;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143.asc 1769757;1515772952;knubie;!!key knubie 1769758;1515772953;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/B2B6A92EB5C140CDE1FEBB31A69A09AA24142942.asc 1769759;1515773029;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vRoS3/?raw=true 1769760;1515773029;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1769761;1515773079;BingoBoingo;Bueno 1769762;1515773163;asciilifeform;'the gears grind slowly, but they grind very finely' or how did it go. 1769763;1515773325;knubie;least it was an easy job.. =) 1769764;1515773349;asciilifeform;knubie: lemme ask straight, who are you , and what exactly are you doing here? 1769765;1515773391;knubie;asciilifeform: just a random, and heard about a funny story, so decided to join... 1769766;1515773488;asciilifeform;knubie: plz consider doing the 'read logs for 6mo before talking' thing 1769767;1515773507;asciilifeform;knubie: your snr is somewhere below the floor. 1769768;1515773621;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the americircus, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767259 <<< >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fW7se/?raw=true ( orig https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Damore-Google-COMPLAINT.pdf has photoexhibits etc ) 1769769;1515773621;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 19:13 ben_vulpes: https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/08/james-damore-just-filed-a-class-action-lawsuit-against-google-saying-it-discriminates-against-white-male-conservatives/ title all really one needs for the day's chuckles 1769770;1515773907;asciilifeform;pretty strong moth paint cacodaemon outgassing, even to an old entomologist's nose 1769771;1515774299;asciilifeform;!!gettrust knubie 1769772;1515774300;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections. 1769773;1515774328;asciilifeform;hey trinque how come this fella dun show up in wot.deedbot www ? 1769774;1515774550;asciilifeform;key born 3d ago; 'because heard about funny story'... lolk... 1769775;1515774942;lobbes;Upon inspection, a few ratings I've left/received haven't gone through either. Including this one I left for Birdman back in july 0-o >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681767 1769776;1515774942;a111;Logged on 2017-07-12 03:14 lobbes: !!rate Birdman 1 valued customer 1769777;1515775013;asciilifeform;lobbes: iirc trinque had a hdd crash or the like at one point 1769778;1515775160;lobbes;Ah I think I fuzzily recall that from los registros 1769779;1515776399;BingoBoingo;In developments thus far, the responsiveness of the current accountant has been a disappointment, an independent accountant has been consulted, and getting ready for an adventure to a less soviet bank. 1769780;1515776485;BingoBoingo;Major props go to the girl who manages the coworking space for reading between the lines what took explicit repetition for the accountant. 1769781;1515776487;ben_vulpes;https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/mnuchin-wants-to-make-sure-bad-guys-cant-use-cryptocurrencies.html << inb4 'bitcoin banned in teh usa' 1769782;1515776827;asciilifeform;https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/swarm-of-armed-diy-drones-attacks-russian-military-base-in-syria.html << moar interesting lul from same fishwrap 1769783;1515777529;ben_vulpes;2-stroke warfare! 1769784;1515777532;*;ben_vulpes squees 1769785;1515777551;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the comments on orig post are lulzy, 'we built these in 1980s su as kidz' etc 1769786;1515777572;ben_vulpes;yes im sure they had gps waypoint following over the counter in the eighties 1769787;1515777576;asciilifeform;the only modern item on these were the radio aha 1769788;1515777590;asciilifeform;errything else -- circa '50s 1769789;1515777593;ben_vulpes;note that the russkis only nailed the birds because flying too high 1769790;1515777622;asciilifeform;well if it gotta go 100km unattended by gps, then where else. 1769791;1515777625;ben_vulpes;the asymmetric warfare will continue until the golden toilets are really actually useless 1769792;1515777676;ben_vulpes;doesn't have to be that high to get a lock now does it 1769793;1515777691;asciilifeform;oblig trilema, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635749 re subj 1769794;1515777691;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 02:03 asciilifeform: 'Sort-of like the colonial Europeans' expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons. ' 1769795;1515777706;ben_vulpes;for travel, yes, sure, but drop down to the treeline on approach like a human wouldja 1769796;1515777778;BingoBoingo;But what if GPS gets the trees wrong? 1769797;1515777797;asciilifeform;address all complaints to usg dept of state , who sends the model airplane kits to the orcs. 1769798;1515777815;ben_vulpes;usg.hobbyking 1769799;1515777887;asciilifeform;on own power, camel fuckers have serious problems making, i suspect, ~paper~ airplane. 1769800;1515778178;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the obvious n00b design mistake is the use of classical fixed-wings. if instead that petrol motor turned a dynamo, and powered (inefficient as may be) electrical multi-copter , a la toy store -- could do such things as following tree-lines etc. 1769801;1515778275;trinque;asciilifeform: possible the process that generates that site is upset. I'll look. 1769802;1515778314;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: classic range/dynamic control tradeoff 1769803;1515778319;trinque;lobbes: your ratings are present in deedbot, just looks like that site isn't updating. thanks for pointing it out. 1769804;1515778330;trinque;!!reputation Birdman 1769805;1515778337;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6DUez/?raw=true 1769806;1515778361;ben_vulpes;i suppose the latter factor is more accurately control bandwidth 1769807;1515778428;*;ben_vulpes will readily admit to being a fan of the petrol quadcopter 1769808;1515778529;deedbot;Birdman: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/38riG/?raw=true 1769809;1515778984;lobbes;trinque np! Thanks fer checkin' 1769810;1515779022;lobbes;To come back to this question, would alf (or anyone) use a system where you could submit a plaintext list of URLs to bot, and then a few mins later bot would PM you with a link for download?  >>http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737464 1769811;1515779022;a111;Logged on 2017-11-14 03:58 a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 18:21 asciilifeform: lobbes: does this mean that you can mirror the whole zip collection nao ? 1769812;1515779028;lobbes;Versus a troo 'www mirror' where you'd just download from website  (trying to avoid this route) 1769813;1515779060;trinque;ha this walks right back towards the republican-www thread. 1769814;1515779084;trinque;lobbes: sounds pretty cool. 1769815;1515779268;lobbes;I figure benefits are: no need for 'username/password ' www-login crapola. Also no need to host ALL the zips at once on my VPSen. Can just jettison files on-deman from my archiver craptop to VPS 1769816;1515779737;trinque;got the wotsite rebuilding right now. 1769817;1515779766;trinque;tomorrow I'm gonna have a nice uninterrupted project day, got the girl sent off with girlfriends 1769818;1515779850;trinque;I think I'll get that www regenerating piecemeal in reaction to db changes rather than giant rebuilds at interval, then give the wallet some attention 1769819;1515779869;trinque;I know an account history command is in high demand; that's at the top of the stack. 1769820;1515779968;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769765 << eh what happened to stock broker / boss man ? 1769821;1515779968;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 16:09 knubie: asciilifeform: just a random, and heard about a funny story, so decided to join... 1769822;1515779980;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/ << Trilema - Discordatum Wormatiense 1769823;1515780295;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769768 << laugh ye not, cuz by the time the pantsuit pillar is being gnawed at the ankles... they had ~nothing else, you understand, besides http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769309 ; and without "consensus" in the money printing conduits... 1769824;1515780295;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 16:13 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the americircus, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767259 <<< >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fW7se/?raw=true ( orig https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Damore-Google-COMPLAINT.pdf has photoexhibits etc ) 1769825;1515780295;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 18:52 asciilifeform: hey, the 'we dun need to win, all we gotta do is print in nyt front page that we did' can carry on right up until the turks come over the city walls 1769826;1515780390;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769770 << the animal was EVEN BIGGER than the famously ginormous http://trilema.com/2017/entomologykos-a-kinda-pseudokynegetikos-it-all-comes-from-ticos/ 1769827;1515780390;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 16:18 asciilifeform: pretty strong moth paint cacodaemon outgassing, even to an old entomologist's nose 1769828;1515780411;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 2nd half of pdfturd is pretty great, internal memos etc , re full-bore gleichschaltung in full swing in all of the major sv saltmines 1769829;1515780427;mircea_popescu;aha. 1769830;1515780449;mircea_popescu;they got themselves a "culture war" right in the cunt, and it was sensitive and "beyond reach" 1769831;1515780462;mircea_popescu;it is* and was supposed to be* 1769832;1515780525;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769781 << the bad guys want to know what the fuck is a mnuchin. like munckin ? 1769833;1515780525;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 17:01 ben_vulpes: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/mnuchin-wants-to-make-sure-bad-guys-cant-use-cryptocurrencies.html << inb4 'bitcoin banned in teh usa' 1769834;1515780548;ben_vulpes;that's how i pronounce it! 1769835;1515780554;asciilifeform;mnu's not unix!11 or wait that was a different fungus 1769836;1515780555;ben_vulpes;some joo 1769837;1515780578;mircea_popescu;fucking retard. the only bad thing is his ugly face and the idiocy he represents. 1769838;1515780632;*;ben_vulpes beats sword on shield 1769839;1515780687;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769782 << "DIY" as in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703771 / http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-213.222-217.1 1769840;1515780687;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 17:07 asciilifeform: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/swarm-of-armed-diy-drones-attacks-russian-military-base-in-syria.html << moar interesting lul from same fishwrap 1769841;1515780687;a111;Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp. 1769842;1515780687;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 22:38 mircea_popescu: teh very respectable southern poverty law center. and i bet you bitcoin to donuts they didn't actually pay jack for it, either. 1769843;1515780710;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aaaha, see later in same thread ! 1769844;1515780726;mircea_popescu;funny how they never seem to remember who is "the government" whenever ~they~ go around messing with it. how about bad guys === usg don't go around using mnuchin as a hand puppet to finance their bad deeds ? 1769845;1515780895;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769807 << the problem is entirely price ; with excellent machining you could get a ~10 cc combustion engine that then could make a tiny helicopter, however... cost you a mil per or such nonsense. 1769846;1515780895;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 17:33 ben_vulpes will readily admit to being a fan of the petrol quadcopter 1769847;1515780906;mircea_popescu;certainly no 1 cc though. 1769848;1515780913;asciilifeform;naaah, off-the-shelf readily available from cn 1769849;1515780932;asciilifeform;and you dun even need gearing for it: turn dynamo. 1769850;1515780933;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769810 << iirc that was the spec. 1769851;1515780933;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 17:43 lobbes: To come back to this question, would alf (or anyone) use a system where you could submit a plaintext list of URLs to bot, and then a few mins later bot would PM you with a link for download?  >>http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737464 1769852;1515780952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dinamo coils heavy. and you mean off the shelf what, 10cc engine ? 1769853;1515780965;asciilifeform;petrol is superior to battery by such ridiculous margin, that it is readily affordable 1769854;1515781018;ben_vulpes;folks've lofted 30hp gas quadrotors 1769855;1515781042;mircea_popescu;let's get back to it. a) can i buy 10cc engine, off shelf ? b) dinamo needs coils, makes it heavy. 1769856;1515781055;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes but 30hp! not 50W. 1769857;1515781069;*;asciilifeform opens catalogue... a 2.74cc 1.0 hp motor , weighs 280g, costs 70bux. 1769858;1515781079;asciilifeform;dat's 746 watt. 1769859;1515781081;mircea_popescu;wowza. link me ? 1769860;1515781111;asciilifeform;https://www.amazon.com/Hobbypower-02060-Engine-2-74cc-Starter/dp/B00M2WMQFG 1769861;1515781120;mircea_popescu;cheeck the shit out! 1769862;1515781125;asciilifeform;picked at random, prolly there are spiffier ones 1769863;1515781148;mircea_popescu;turns out i actually misunderstand the limits of materials! 1769864;1515781156;asciilifeform;it's ancient tech, too 1769865;1515781196;asciilifeform;( somewhere i have a 1960s catalogue , featuring similar engines; weighed a little moar iirc ) 1769866;1515781197;mircea_popescu;well, a 300 gram 750 W engine totally can make a chopper fly. 1769867;1515781272;mircea_popescu;in fact : 750W at 50% conversion can provide a lot of lift -- if the whole thing it's embedded in is 1kg, your energetic expenditure per meter lift is not even 10J. can do 75m/s theoretically. 1769868;1515781279;asciilifeform;entirely. 1769869;1515781290;ben_vulpes;related stupid human tricks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5FqYiZb_5s 1769870;1515781291;asciilifeform;which is why small petrol engine enabled flight to begin with. 1769871;1515781324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno now why i thought the limit is a degree of magnitude higher on both energy and size. 1769872;1515781345;asciilifeform;to be fair , these do require nitrofuel 1769873;1515781359;asciilifeform;( it doesn't, for obvious reason, scale up ) 1769874;1515781360;mircea_popescu;but not a lot of it. 1769875;1515781366;asciilifeform;nope. a few 100ml. 1769876;1515781372;asciilifeform;for coupla hrs of flight. 1769877;1515781393;mircea_popescu;oh that's what it was! the fuel weight! 1769878;1515781402;mircea_popescu;see, cuz if you store a liter and something, that's almost a kg. 1769879;1515781416;mircea_popescu;still misunderstood, but at least now i know wtf i was thinking. 1769880;1515781433;asciilifeform;depending on what the objective is, that kg can do useful work ( say you're to torch something... ) 1769881;1515781449;mircea_popescu;sure. 1769882;1515781517;mircea_popescu;but yes, the point stands : useful limit of combustion-powered flying machine is more like 5kgs not the 50kgs i originally imagined. 1769883;1515781525;asciilifeform;chopper could, theoretically, do 'pinpoint' needlework , that fixwing could not, e.g. limpet onto ~particular~ car 1769884;1515781538;mircea_popescu;with good computers. yes. 1769885;1515781559;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769822 << recommended, btw. this is important (tm). 1769886;1515781559;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 17:59 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/ << Trilema - Discordatum Wormatiense 1769887;1515781575;*;asciilifeform just nao read 1769888;1515781658;ben_vulpes;ah that's where the moth scent line came from 1769889;1515781670;mircea_popescu;no ? 1769890;1515781678;ben_vulpes;trilema generally! 1769891;1515781705;mircea_popescu;aok :p 1769892;1515781765;mircea_popescu;the proposal is nothing less than to have identified the exact point in history where the pantsuit forked off the chain. 1769893;1515781861;asciilifeform;dunno that this is a necessary hypothesis : the shaman who demanded share of mammoth meat for 'getting crocodilegod to barf the sun back out' is item that goes back to prehistory 1769894;1515781913;asciilifeform;they've prolly existed longer than scribes, or even archers , or horseman. 1769895;1515781942;asciilifeform;or do i misunderstand what is supposed to have begun with the 'concordat' 1769896;1515783616;mircea_popescu;notrly, no. 1769897;1515783642;mircea_popescu;feudalism was 100% republic, entirely existing as relationships between people, with no regard to anything -- not to the herds of cattle, of any kind, nor to land or weirs of fishing or any other nonsense. 1769898;1515783689;mircea_popescu;then the pantsuit centered in rome attempted the bitcoin cash of worms, and it's been going towards building marx's paradise -- a world devoid of any people -- ever since. 1769899;1515783762;mircea_popescu;the venue through which the socialist disaster happened happens to be "reason" in a particular pantsuit reinterpretation -- the bitcoin cash of worms introduced "reasonable" basis for taxation on the basis of "land resources", and from there on this non-reason worked its poison into the whole gamut of idiocy on display today. 1769900;1515783777;mircea_popescu;it shouldn't have been permitted then, as it's been methodically not permitted in this here republic since inception. 1769901;1515783990;asciilifeform;this is interesting and makes sense and imho would make a spiffy trilema article ( sequel to the one from last hr, with the italian film , perhaps ) 1769902;1515784006;asciilifeform;which was a bit sanskrity 1769903;1515784046;mircea_popescu;it's what i heard, "diaphanous, as in, if you're not familiar with the whole tree of medieval history and social theory, the jumps are a little wide". 1769904;1515784062;mircea_popescu;but i dunno what to put in. ie the above three lines -- are already written. what moar! 1769905;1515784078;mircea_popescu;i can't re-write a compendium of feudal history ad hoc ;/ 1769906;1515784088;*;asciilifeform prolly doomed to excavate and read the sourcetexts, like civilized people 1769907;1515784104;*;mircea_popescu more than willing to answer q's. but unsure how to proceed without. 1769908;1515784120;asciilifeform;naah the correct answ is prolly 'do yer bloody homewurk , asciilifeform ' 1769909;1515784182;asciilifeform;... or here's a q. 'worms' had a beginning, neh, at some time prior. where was this beginning, who first demanded 'reasonable taxations' , where 1769910;1515784203;asciilifeform;seems like a straight archaeological matter. 1769911;1515784210;mircea_popescu;it was a sad vulnerable moment, incidentally. ever heard ye of hugh "magnus" (ie, le maisne in french, literally, "lesser born") ? 1769912;1515784225;asciilifeform;sounds familiar 1769913;1515784238;mircea_popescu;brother of sitting king of france, went on crusade BECAUSE SAW MOON ECLIPSE. 1769914;1515784254;mircea_popescu;literally, that was his thought process, "o look, astronomical phenomenon ergo i buy a car now." 1769915;1515784255;asciilifeform;and bush-II went on crusade because 'wmd', lel 1769916;1515784269;asciilifeform;was it a cause-'because' or an astrological-justificatory-'because' 1769917;1515784269;mircea_popescu;so he ends up shipwrecked in the lands of anna's father, alexios. you know the whore, anna, yes ? 1769918;1515784288;asciilifeform;aha 1769919;1515784320;mircea_popescu;ok. and the father takes them in hand and rapes them around discreetely, yes. you know, like us presidents are invited at banquets but "can't go there sir". 1769920;1515784364;mircea_popescu;without an army, or any resources, or you know, the forethought to have at the very least packed up that eclipse for later, hugh understands the precarity of his position, and so is a great supporter of the byzantine king. 1769921;1515784402;mircea_popescu;and he tries to sell this to godfrey of bouillon, who was a lord at the time. this doesn't mean "rich" or "powerful" or any pantsuit nonsense of today, trying to explain exactly why it shouldn't be the case you even try. 1769922;1515784418;mircea_popescu;no, godefroy was naught else than a man. as per that shaw description, "the panache" etc. 1769923;1515784458;mircea_popescu;and godefroy says, "look at you, fool, you had your own sovereign crown (hugh was an earl, at the time this was sovereign) but had to come here and became a slave for it, and now try to sell me on it as if it were some great progress ?" 1769924;1515784478;mircea_popescu;to which hugh explains something like "well, what's done it's done, what can we do" 1769925;1515784513;mircea_popescu;does ~this~ count as a "beginning" then ? that men who can't think end up doing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767798 ? 1769926;1515784513;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 20:13 mircea_popescu: "# We use c=0.005 which has been experimentally found to be optimal in processing time for common PC under MS Windows and values of k of practical interest. A different c value may be desirable for use in different computing environments." << check it out asciilifeform ! IT IS SATOSHI ALL OVER AGAIN. why. WHY!!! 1769927;1515784552;asciilifeform;the worrisome aspect imho is that sanity is -- apparently -- fragile, while idiocy -- ratcheting/cumulative 1769928;1515784579;mircea_popescu;for what it's worth i see no difference whatsoever between the above eclipse of reasoning and say "if i make it what i think it should be -- it crashes". 1769929;1515784610;mircea_popescu;but anyway, re taxation : item as a notion didn't even exist in 1100s. payment across hierarchy had an entirely different substance. 1769930;1515784615;asciilifeform;no real diff, aside possibly from the 'linear vs superlinear' hypothesis 1769931;1515784622;mircea_popescu;"taxation" is what pantsuit rendering of homage is, so as to depersonalize it. 1769932;1515784639;asciilifeform;but post-worms 'resources' taxation scheme -- infectious 1769933;1515784646;asciilifeform;superlinear!11 1769934;1515784657;mircea_popescu;only in that it's always easier to be female than male. 1769935;1515784671;mircea_popescu;that's the great advantage of the homosexual bottom : even a broomstick can fill it. 1769936;1515784676;mircea_popescu;easy peasy. 1769937;1515784683;asciilifeform;that wouldn't explain why it spread suddenly, like forest fire, at a particular moment 1769938;1515784716;asciilifeform;hm did we ever do 'tin pest' thread ? 1769939;1515784824;mircea_popescu;i dunno anything about it was sudden. 1769940;1515784839;mircea_popescu;took what, 500 years to westphalia, "nation state" ie, "the LAND is the item, people just ants on it" 1769941;1515784867;mircea_popescu;but the notion of a countCY, and OF X!!!, as opposed to THE count himself is very much redolent of the rotl. 1769942;1515784896;asciilifeform;other q, how far is this from the roman system 1769943;1515784905;mircea_popescu;which is why republican lordship is personal whereas pantsuit notion of peerage is "location based". 1769944;1515784911;mircea_popescu;which roman system. 1769945;1515784943;asciilifeform;late roman. 1769946;1515784948;mircea_popescu;the system which built rome is : in the winter we sit around , in the summer we go rape the idiots, take their shit, melt it down, split it in equal trophies and give one to each man. 1769947;1515784957;asciilifeform;nah that'd be young rome 1769948;1515784968;mircea_popescu;it's unclear altogether if late rome had a system at all ; this is a matter open to much scholarly debate. 1769949;1515784991;asciilifeform;that's the q, are we looking at what amounts to a sov rtg misplaced in the arctic and sawed open by chukcha. 1769950;1515785014;asciilifeform;i.e. a resurrection of the item that killed rome. 1769951;1515785732;mircea_popescu;well, it was said in these logs and it's still true that rome is well summarized by observing some people built some benches in a park somewhere and spent a millenium thenceforth sorting out who should sit where on them. 1769952;1515785770;asciilifeform;that'd be the elementary 'petri dish full' endgame then. 1769953;1515785780;mircea_popescu;in this sense sure, original rome as the patrician class with its clientelar syste was "checked" ie infected with doom-ruin by the imbecile plebs, resulting in the creation of the plebs tribune (ironically, the ~reason~ later emperor was sacrosanct -- he was also the tribune of plebs) 1769954;1515785795;trinque;there'll be a brief wallet outage starting now. doing some network fiddling. 1769955;1515785913;mircea_popescu;so if you prefer the reference, there will be no lenatus compromise and no fucking lex publilia. 1769956;1515786019;asciilifeform;!!up topor 1769957;1515786019;deedbot;topor voiced for 30 minutes. 1769958;1515786044;mircea_popescu;but note that the original reason there (the romans ~actually needed~ the plebs, to fight the volsci / latins) is no longer present. we absolutely and emphatically do not need mok-shen's "common people" for any purpose. 1769959;1515786051;mircea_popescu;in fact, we need to NOT have them. 1769960;1515786176;mircea_popescu;(the original "i'm a little bit country / i'm a little bit rock'n'roll" fairitale was told by lenatus to the plebs of 500bc, btw.) 1769961;1515786238;asciilifeform;topor: who might you be ? 1769962;1515786305;topor;trilema&bitcoin fan 1769963;1515786379;mircea_popescu;!!up Covale` 1769964;1515786379;deedbot;Covale` voiced for 30 minutes. 1769965;1515786408;asciilifeform;oh hey finally a nonfalse cognate ! 1769966;1515786430;asciilifeform;топор. 1769967;1515786458;mircea_popescu;!# coada de topor 1769968;1515786461;mircea_popescu;!#s coada de topor 1769969;1515786462;a111;1 result for "coada de topor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=coada%20de%20topor 1769970;1515786465;asciilifeform;apparently not so 'trilema fan' that he can keep a socket open, lol 1769971;1515786467;mircea_popescu;literally, axe handle. 1769972;1515786484;Covale`;oh, hey. in other news, or how it goes... http://www.spacekim.io/ :)) 1769973;1515786489;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that'd be a топорище . 1769974;1515786520;mircea_popescu;toporisca is diminutive topor! 1769975;1515786574;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: normally -ище is... sort ~opposite~ of dimunitive. but in this case is the haft. 1769976;1515786575;mircea_popescu;also, om din topor, man of the axe, how you say redneck. 1769977;1515786624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect romanian is mostly dedicated to not getting any imported words right. 1769978;1515786659;asciilifeform;Covale`: i read , and laughed, and thought 'the onion', but apparently they have a working funnel, and it actually collected a bit of shitcoin 1769979;1515786691;mircea_popescu;gotta seed the chumpatron neh ? 1769980;1515786694;Covale`;asciilifeform, well of the hundreds of ICOs popping up everywhere these days, so far this one is THE :)) 1769981;1515786695;mircea_popescu;Covale` you made this ? 1769982;1515786725;Covale`;mircea_popescu, a friend linked it to me earlier for the lols 1769983;1515786775;mircea_popescu;that's nice. now go read the logs / do useful shit. the lols part is the worst place for kids to start immitating. 1769984;1515787709;Covale`;speaking of that, what Linux distro would you generally recommend for... n00bs so to say ? 1769985;1515788239;knubie;!!up Covale` 1769986;1515788240;deedbot;Covale` voiced for 30 minutes. 1769987;1515788853;trinque;Covale`: go build your own gentoo box; shed the noob hymen 1769988;1515788904;Covale`;hah, yeah, I looked through the logs and stumbled upon that discussion actually 1769989;1515788925;trinque;!!balance 1769990;1515788929;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/picOU/?raw=true 1769991;1515788948;trinque;^ wallet maintenance is over, wiring less offensive to the operator 1769992;1515788954;trinque;lmk if anyone has a problem. 1769993;1515788990;asciilifeform;trinque: where did the putting-the-user's-nick-in-all-replies item go ? 1769994;1515789032;trinque;I'm for it, will get done at some point. 1769995;1515789036;asciilifeform;aite 1769996;1515789059;asciilifeform;( imho it is theRightThing , i even made sure it worked in pehbot before letting it run in public ) 1769997;1515789082;trinque;sure 1769998;1515789089;*;trinque has a nice command-lib where it'll go 1769999;1515790186;BingoBoingo;And it turns out the State's bank is the far less soviet option. 1770000;1515790438;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Because of the my passport handicap up to three days will be lost to FACTA. After that another 2-5 business days and they I should be banked. 1770001;1515790603;BingoBoingo;Also the datacenter came up with a connection for importing SuperMicro servers 1770002;1515790614;trinque;hey, cool! 1770003;1515790666;mod6;right on 1770004;1515790812;BingoBoingo;Venuezalan translator girl I've been taking spanish lessons from (300 pesos or ~10 USD/hr) was paid 20 USD/hr for translation services by peeling bills off of the gangsta roll. 1770005;1515792073;BingoBoingo;Venezualan girl was very shocked by how comparatively pleasant this experience was with her other local banking experience given how much the locals verbally shit on it 1770006;1515793084;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2018/the-moth/#comment-124167 << Blame the paint smell on "Low VOC" envirowhiners 1770007;1515793128;BingoBoingo;Gloss and semigloss exterior paints were the single worst smelling class of products at the Home Despot. 1770008;1515793230;BingoBoingo;Gloss and semigloss exterior paints were the single worst smelling class of products at the Home Despot. 1770009;1515793360;BingoBoingo;Sorry I meant to drop https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/12/on_call/ out of the buffer: “It was one of the few places where the students had questions, but they tended to be about who pays us to be tourists.” 1770010;1515796819;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in one particular pantsuitistan, https://archive.is/IFLD7 << for expert entomologists only >> 'University of Maryland ... The senate proposed that the committee lower the burden of proof in cases from clear and convincing to a preponderance of the evidence, which means that it's more likely than not a code violation occurred. ' 1770011;1515796823;asciilifeform;and in particular 'In light of recent hate bias incidents on the campus, the committee decided to remove "Intentionally and substantially interfering with the freedom of expression of others" as a listed prohibited conduct as it sends the "wrong message," said Director of Student Conduct Andrea Goodwin.' 1770012;1515800162;lobbes;""Dragan said. "The old code … was very difficult to understand, and I feel like that was unfair to the students to give them a document that wasn't easy to read and hadn't been updated since prior to their birth."" 1770013;1515800193;lobbes;"Oh noes!! May have to LEARN something in University!" 1770014;1515800859;lobbes;This reminds me of a quote somewhere in logs, went something like "US education just hands kids a deck of 'beliefs', 'principles', 'truths', etc; says: pick one or two. Battle each other like in ur pokemans" 1770015;1515801228;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1770000 << what's passports got to do with anything ? 1770016;1515801228;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 20:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because of the my passport handicap up to three days will be lost to FACTA. After that another 2-5 business days and they I should be banked. 1770017;1515801246;mircea_popescu;local company is a person in law ; if item you have is not a person in law, you have not registered a company ; if it is -- IT opens bank acct. 1770018;1515801258;mircea_popescu;but in no case is your passport involved in the workings of this item. 1770019;1515801297;mircea_popescu;to reiterate -- whole point of the entire exercise is to publicly, paifully BREAK the usg system, and to humiliate the united states government in the process. 1770020;1515801310;mircea_popescu;an "alternative funnel" is not an acceptable substitute for breakage. 1770021;1515801587;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1770011 << the "Right message" being "maryland is rapemeat reservation" or wut exactly. 1770022;1515801587;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 22:40 asciilifeform: and in particular 'In light of recent hate bias incidents on the campus, the committee decided to remove "Intentionally and substantially interfering with the freedom of expression of others" as a listed prohibited conduct as it sends the "wrong message," said Director of Student Conduct Andrea Goodwin.' 1770023;1515801657;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1770012 << especially the notion that there's any point in even reading items younger than you. here's a pro tip : before dante's middle-of-the-forest, do not waste your time reading anything younger than you, there's absolutely no point and no benefit. 1770024;1515801657;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 23:36 lobbes: ""Dragan said. "The old code … was very difficult to understand, and I feel like that was unfair to the students to give them a document that wasn't easy to read and hadn't been updated since prior to their birth."" 1770025;1515801796;lobbes;Aha, found that thread I was thinking of>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642802 1770026;1515801796;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 12:32 mircea_popescu: today it's "here's a deck of representational trading cards, pick one to think you are, and we'll be reprersenting... the card!!! and therefore (?!?!?) you". 1770027;1515801811;mircea_popescu;word. 1770028;1515802147;mircea_popescu;incidentally re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769906 , check out what wikipedia stole : https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Select_Historical_Documents_of_the_Middle_Ages ! 1770029;1515802147;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 19:08 asciilifeform prolly doomed to excavate and read the sourcetexts, like civilized people 1770030;1515802157;mircea_popescu;actually not even bad! 1770031;1515802177;asciilifeform;almost surprising it hasn't been 'disneyated' 1770032;1515802213;mircea_popescu;i don't have the original here to check against it so it's not a certainty, but it doesn't seem to have been. 1770033;1515802256;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1770015 << somewhat worrisome, BingoBoingo ~might~ have stepped on the 'who is principal man of this corp? oh hey, it's a usg slave, nao we, quisling orcs, gotta report him' mine 1770034;1515802256;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 23:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1770000 << what's passports got to do with anything ? 1770035;1515802275;mircea_popescu;work with better orcs is the whole of the idea. 1770036;1515802282;asciilifeform;aha. 1770037;1515802300;asciilifeform;i'ma let BingoBoingo answer this one, i have only minimal clue re what he did. 1770038;1515802307;mircea_popescu;0 value in building "secure" isp on alt-flavour of usgtronic pressed shitboard. 1770039;1515802387;mircea_popescu;for the same money might as well ask "Director of Student Conduct Andrea Goodwin" what she thinks republican expression should look like. 1770040;1515802394;asciilifeform;it's prolly not too late for BingoBoingo to unstep on the mine if he had in fact stepped. 1770041;1515802406;mircea_popescu;learning exercise, hey. 1770042;1515802576;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769927 << ding ding ding 1770043;1515802576;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 19:15 asciilifeform: the worrisome aspect imho is that sanity is -- apparently -- fragile, while idiocy -- ratcheting/cumulative 1770044;1515802623;mircea_popescu;i dunno what's so worrying about this, honestly. shit also cumulative, while good food fragile. doesn't seem to alter the table arrangements of my house or any one i care to know of. 1770045;1515802694;phf;hmm, i suspect myself and ascii are products of soviet background. we expect there to not be shit also outside the castle walls (no shit in all the new soviet man's households by year 1956!) 1770046;1515802723;mircea_popescu;what are the walls for then ? 1770047;1515802744;mircea_popescu;like quaint anachronism ? 1770048;1515802787;asciilifeform;place to hang carpet!11 1770049;1515802795;phf;yeah, atavisms at best, museum pieces from the past, non-civilized, yccles in the marxist-leninist theory of cyclical historical development 1770050;1515802807;phf;*cycles 1770051;1515802843;mircea_popescu;what is the meaning of "ascension" in this context, if it isn't literally "i picked a chick out of the river of shit" ? 1770052;1515802878;mircea_popescu;some kind of "she chose to work really hard and make something of her life ; went to school to get ny journaho job" ? 1770053;1515802991;phf;there's no place for transcendent in a five year plan 1770054;1515803033;mircea_popescu;so how are juniors produced in this system ? 1770055;1515803090;mircea_popescu;(i thought the story of my rescuing a transylvanian naked neck chick drowning in the sty effluvia was written somewhere -- apparently not. aanyways.) 1770056;1515803115;asciilifeform;it was tho 1770057;1515803118;asciilifeform;iirc it is in the log 1770058;1515803119;mircea_popescu;was it ? 1770059;1515803122;mircea_popescu;hm. 1770060;1515803169;asciilifeform;hm possibly it was a trilema 1770061;1515803180;mircea_popescu;i just went through this marxist-leninist cycle myself 1770062;1515803209;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699002 << found 1770063;1515803209;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 17:30 mircea_popescu: when i was about six or so, visiting some relatives who had a farm, i discovered a romanian bareneck (kind of chicken) chick drowning in the sty efflux. so i picked it out, and it was a pet for a year or so and then made a great soup. rooster, too. 1770064;1515803215;mircea_popescu;o ty! 1770065;1515803348;phf;actually i think in soviet system they were produced by going further distance from moscow. the whole soviet engineer model of economic expansion: send a group of leveled up moscovites to khanty-mansiyks to build a factory and a hospital 1770066;1515803376;phf;pluck some locals that seem like they have a head of some sort, send them back to moscow for education, repeat 1770067;1515803378;mircea_popescu;so is this a shit-denying&seeking schizo duality or what then ? 1770068;1515803380;asciilifeform;such civ1 1770069;1515803415;mircea_popescu;you know they're still walls when you're too poor and unskilled to make them out of stone and rely on sheer distances to supplant the actual construction. 1770070;1515803426;asciilifeform;distances , in place like ru, are chea 1770071;1515803427;asciilifeform;p 1770072;1515803435;mircea_popescu;while that lasts. 1770073;1515803449;mircea_popescu;they're also unreliable, western devils and their skateboardin' on the iron sidewalks. 1770074;1515803476;phf;well, i'm also not sure which imperative i'm representing here, but i'm humoring the dynamic 1770075;1515803489;asciilifeform;historically distance makes considerably better walls, than walls. 1770076;1515803493;mircea_popescu;i thought you were just being a nightknight. 1770077;1515803513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is so! quality wall--is horizontal. for they who can afford to pay. 1770078;1515803760;asciilifeform;re mircea_popescu's experimental chicken farm : asciilifeform was amazed at the popularity of the backyard chicken in timis 1770079;1515803779;asciilifeform;just half hour's march from center of town -- and they begin to appear 1770080;1515803796;mircea_popescu;what dog is to boy, hen is to woman, throughout history and geography, from africa to suffolk and so on. 1770081;1515803807;asciilifeform;worm-to-food converter, eh 1770082;1515803811;asciilifeform;not bad deal 1770083;1515803814;mircea_popescu;i dunno there's a closer item. 1770084;1515803815;phf;chickens are incredibly easy to care for. two of three every summer in summer house 1770085;1515803823;phf;*we had 1770086;1515803832;asciilifeform;i missed out on this 1770087;1515803832;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not just ; also sorta cheap toy, and clock, and it hurrs at itself to tell itself "All is well" and many things. 1770088;1515803853;asciilifeform;very muchly clock. 1770089;1515803855;mircea_popescu;part of the reason i despise the bright minds behind "seti" is -- fucktards managed to put no chicken in there ? really ? 1770090;1515803859;mircea_popescu;they have no fucking idea. 1770091;1515803883;asciilifeform;quite possibly the bird was 1 of the ingredients of euro civ , vs the monkeys 1770092;1515803889;asciilifeform;*key ingredients 1770093;1515803914;mircea_popescu;let's put it this way : henry's populist programme for england was build around "one chicken for every pot each week" 1770094;1515803914;asciilifeform;and of china, and nao that i think about it everybody worth half a shit 1770095;1515803950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at one point this was actual usg propaganda slogan ( during greatdepression ) 1770096;1515803955;asciilifeform;'chicken for every pot' 1770097;1515803971;mircea_popescu;there's also an interesting property, whereby every domestic also has its parasite (obviously). cow has tb. goat has scabies. on it goes. chicken -- salmonella. 1770098;1515803983;mircea_popescu;much better, in that it either kills or doesn't kill, but doesn't ~degrade~. 1770099;1515803986;mircea_popescu;this is no small matter. 1770100;1515803986;asciilifeform;'in every pot we'll have a chicken, but, herbert hoover, you forgot: not only don't we have a chicken, we ain't got the pot!' (tm)(r) 1770101;1515803996;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1770102;1515804025;asciilifeform;i thought cow had brucellosis 1770103;1515804045;mircea_popescu;well, obviously there's a whole train, and anthrax and whatnot. but the civilisation-shaping one, was oftica. 1770104;1515804054;asciilifeform;( still a puzzle to me what the natural reservoir of brucellosis is ) 1770105;1515804063;mircea_popescu;snails afaik. 1770106;1515804067;asciilifeform;interesting 1770107;1515804083;mircea_popescu;shit on grass cow eats, so on. 1770108;1515804104;mircea_popescu;(note that it was only recently invented/discovered.) 1770109;1515804131;asciilifeform;sufficiently nasty item that it was considered ( and possibly taken up ) for warhead 1770110;1515804163;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine why, even tetracycline will kill it. 1770111;1515804238;asciilifeform;well the weaponization programmes all featured resistance-selection 1770112;1515804247;mircea_popescu;good luck lol. 1770113;1515804259;asciilifeform;( which , if it had worked, would make for some quite epic 'own goals' ) 1770114;1515804260;mircea_popescu;"oh this is a resistant strain --- 1.5 generations."" 1770115;1515804271;mircea_popescu;"that does... absolutely nohing ?" "it passes the tests!" 1770116;1515804278;asciilifeform;what actually happens is (mega-seekrit!) : virulence loss. 1770117;1515804296;mircea_popescu;anyways. 1770118;1515804299;asciilifeform;which is why the biowarheads went out of style. ( and not from pantsuitism/activism 'inhumanity' wankage , as commonly thought ) 1770119;1515804340;mircea_popescu;are you seriously sitting there and telling me that the pantsuit are 100% ineffectual and ineffective and the reason something isn't a weapon is that something not working as one ? DO WE STILL HAVE TO DO THIS ?~!?!? IN 2018?!?!?! 1770120;1515804348;asciilifeform;lol 1770121;1515804355;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. 1770122;1515804398;mircea_popescu;the problem with your views is that they priviledge the speed of light over other speeds much more important to luce irigaray. 1770123;1515804406;mircea_popescu;such as for instance the speed of print. 1770124;1515804429;asciilifeform;and in contravention of university of maryland code of lol! 1770125;1515804452;mircea_popescu;new york times general relativity much better -- "it's relatively free speech fundamentalism". 1770126;1515804454;mircea_popescu;see ? 1770127;1515804739;asciilifeform;verily. 1770128;1515809630;phf;dat damore complaint 1770129;1515814939;mircea_popescu;27. Damore’s immediate supervisor was Cristian Tapus (“Tapus”). Tapus reports to Chuck 1770130;1515814940;mircea_popescu;Wu (“Wu”), Senior Director of Engineering for Google. Wu, in turn, reports to Ari Balogh 1770131;1515814940;mircea_popescu;(“Balogh”), Vice President of Engineering at Google. Balogh reports to Sridhar Ramaswamy 1770132;1515814940;mircea_popescu;(“Ramaswamy), the Senior Vice President of GPI and Ads. Ramaswamy, in turn, reports to Sundar 1770133;1515814940;mircea_popescu;Pichai (CEO of Google), who ultimately reports to Larry Page (CEO of Alphabet). 1770134;1515814948;mircea_popescu;if this isn't from the soviet days i have nfi wut. 1770135;1515815215;mircea_popescu;"They then mentioned that Google’s racial and gender preferences in hiring were not up for debate, because this was morally and economically the best thing to do for Google." << explanation of why it's sinking then left for whoever will pick up the pieces. the carly fiorinas only wreck corps to fuel failed political bids, they dun build shit or do the cleanup work. 1770136;1515815249;mircea_popescu;another two pages eaten of that crap, another time i close the page. fucking lunatics. 1770137;1515815287;mircea_popescu;but whatever, they wanna impale themselves on rusty rebar, it's their priviledge. 1770138;1515815793;mircea_popescu;if your iq is over 90, going to work for google is the morally and economically wrong thing to do. 1770139;1515815904;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a massively effective tard-selector on the intake end -- the part where ~100% of the 'high' pay of west usa slave goes to pay for roach flat shared with 3 other d00dz 1770140;1515815910;asciilifeform;and it ain't exactly seekrit 1770141;1515815945;mircea_popescu;well, by the time only coolies fresh off the indian boat will take your "great job"... 1770142;1515816029;asciilifeform;formerly they preyed on the young folx 1770143;1515816061;mircea_popescu;us is this very good producer of dumb young'uns on account of its desperately inept fambly anxiety. 1770144;1515816084;mircea_popescu;but, to quote discussion of some crisis in the past, "even that is not boundless". 1770145;1515816102;asciilifeform;aha. they hired them straight from school, for substantially abovemarket rate, and then hamstrung'em 1770146;1515817157;mircea_popescu;!!up bonobo 1770147;1515817158;deedbot;bonobo voiced for 30 minutes. 1770148;1515817189;bonobo;i hate roger ver =( 1770149;1515817206;mircea_popescu;who might you be ? 1770150;1515817246;bonobo;shivatek 1770151;1515817261;mircea_popescu;what's that ? 1770152;1515817324;bonobo;it's my other nickname, and english is not my native language 1770153;1515817345;mircea_popescu;this is a piss poor introduction. 1770154;1515817357;bonobo;haha 1770155;1515817462;bonobo;I do not want to bother you , but I'm frustrated, today I discussed with a guy 4 hours to make him understand who is Roger 1770156;1515817484;mircea_popescu;seriously, not everything can be winged. you're not that special, and you sure as fuck aren't interesting. go put more effort into being presentable. 1770157;1515817485;mircea_popescu;!!down bonobo 1770158;1515817541;mircea_popescu;orc schools used to teach the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770066 orc children some basics in this vein, "if you ever end up in the company of human beings, as unlikely as that blessed occurence may be for something that crawled out of that whore of your mother, HERE IS WHAT TO DO AND NOT DO." 1770159;1515817541;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 00:29 phf: pluck some locals that seem like they have a head of some sort, send them back to moscow for education, repeat 1770160;1515817544;mircea_popescu;i guess they've given up. 1770161;1515818053;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1621970 1770162;1515818053;a111;Logged on 2017-03-04 04:17 phf: back then su was pumping resources into india, but according to su economic strategy that mostly resulted in factories and hospitals. now americans are pumping resources, but that mostly results in moar mcdonalds. so naturally men with long memories are testy 1770163;1515818164;mircea_popescu;it also results in a crazy appetite for gold jewelry, and some inept real estate development. 1770164;1515818184;mircea_popescu;hruschebas at least make engineering sense in ONE paradigm ; the idiotic "modern" pantsuitism, don't. 1770165;1515819047;phf;!!up bitleaks 1770166;1515819047;deedbot;bitleaks voiced for 30 minutes. 1770167;1515819058;phf;oh ffs 1770168;1515819059;mircea_popescu;he just got told off a moment ago. 1770169;1515819061;phf;!!down bitleaks 1770170;1515819100;phf;yeah, i quickly noticed the masterful disguise :> 1770171;1515819385;shinohai;Much like btcvixens 1770172;1515819890;mats;in fiat-related pump and dumps, https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/10/reports-on-china-slowing-us-debt-buying-could-be-based-on-wrong-information-source-says.html 1770173;1515819909;mircea_popescu;lol. 1770174;1515819934;mircea_popescu;"day of reckoning may not even come, someone maybe once said so what the hell." 1770175;1515819953;mats;meanwhile nobody at bloomberg has been arrested or charged 1770176;1515819983;mircea_popescu;it's only free speech fundamentalism if it's not a first amendment issue, mats. 1770177;1515820226;mircea_popescu;if anyone's ever looking for this, here's the curl that'll force-send a pingback on mp-wp : 1770178;1515820226;mircea_popescu;curl -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "pingback.pinghttp://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-december-2017-statementhttp://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ 1770179;1515820227;mircea_popescu;" 1770180;1515820231;mircea_popescu;obviously, fit own urls. 1770181;1515821549;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.078410 19y2uLpvrWAvTudFyxzZezLei3MkKd5pPb 1770182;1515821554;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UU7hM/?raw=true 1770183;1515827201;mircea_popescu;!~later tell hanbot here's something you might find useful : http://trilema.com/hanbot/ 1770184;1515827201;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1770185;1515828172;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YLKIj/?raw=true 1770186;1515841241;knubie;!!up Covale` 1770187;1515841241;deedbot;Covale` voiced for 30 minutes. 1770188;1515849183;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1770189;1515849190;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14424.98, vol: 10396.34266163 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14468.0, vol: 29678.61768851 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14200.2, vol: 44.6251823 | Volume-weighted last average: 14456.5541867 1770190;1515859392;mircea_popescu;!!rated Covale` 1770191;1515859392;deedbot;mircea_popescu has not rated Covale`. 1770192;1515859399;mircea_popescu;!!rate Covale` 1 euloran 1770193;1515859401;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1bPUG/?raw=true 1770194;1515860027;Covale`;mircea_popescu is that OTP for me to decrypt ? or just for you to keep track of ? 1770195;1515860037;mircea_popescu;it's how commands are confirmed. 1770196;1515860067;mircea_popescu;and it's for me ; when in doubt you can always check whose key an encrypted item is encrypted to. 1770197;1515860152;Covale`;cool. had a look at http://deedbot.org/help.html but wasn´t sure. thanks 1770198;1515860424;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769922 << "You suddenly see that Shakespear, with all his flashes and divinations, never understood virtue and courage, never conceived how any man who was not a fool could, like Bunyan’s hero, look back from the brink of the river of death over the strife and labor of his pilgrimage, and say 'yet I do not repent me'; or, with the panache of a millionaire, bequeath 'my sword to him that sh 1770199;1515860424;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 19:13 mircea_popescu: no, godefroy was naught else than a man. as per that shaw description, "the panache" etc. 1770200;1515860424;mircea_popescu;all succeed me in my pilgrimage, and my courage and skill to him that can get it.'" & following, http://www.bartleby.com/157/100.html for the record. 1770201;1515860550;mircea_popescu;and yes, there's an all-important difference between that pilgrim and the model pantsuit of http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ in that the former, while incomprehending, is nevertheless inclusive of the world ; whereas the pantsuit's fears, anxieties and inferiority complexes really leave room for nothing else, they by themselves barely fit (and mostly don't fit) in the scant luggage his frog-like muscles ca 1770202;1515860550;mircea_popescu;n carry. 1770203;1515860621;mircea_popescu;there is some similarity between 'yet I do not repent me' and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767149 ; but for the same money there is some similarity between shit and leberwurst. organic compounds, amirite. 1770204;1515860621;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 17:18 btcvixen: but i am female 1770205;1515860886;mircea_popescu;(and no, taste is not the difference ; they both thaste weird to the first timer, and they both have dedicated communities of conaissant consumers -- i fear even the shiteaters may be more numerous at that. as the expression goes, " not everything can be winged", by which "not everything" we really mean "nothing worth the mention". the hope that "oh, innate auto-knowledge dowloaded straight from god at the exact opportune mom 1770206;1515860886;mircea_popescu;ent aka taste will save me" is exactly lucy-ism, dun do that.) 1770207;1515861023;mircea_popescu;(v, of course, very much the correct solution -- shit is made by certain people in certain places in a certain way, and leberwurst also made by certain people in certain places in a certain way. review seals and presses to distinguish who's who and shit from leberwurst.) 1770208;1515861083;shinohai;V: Eggog - Penis detected. Cannot press female. 1770209;1515861180;mircea_popescu;heh 1770210;1515861219;BingoBoingo; local company is a person in law ; if item you have is not a person in law, you have not registered a company ; if it is -- IT opens bank acct. << WTF previous accountant did is subject to ongoing investigation. My understanding is this was a matter of "Who is this agent of the company making initial deposit and swearing business is not a drug business" 1770211;1515861233;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that'd be... them. 1770212;1515861277;mircea_popescu;or wtf are we hiring here, whores whose whoring consists of watching you jerk it and strippers whose stripping consists of sitting on chairs on "the stage" watching you watch them ? 1770213;1515861376;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769911 << what's meant by vulnerable here is that these were very noob thinkers. they had correct intuitions, but broadly speaking failed to defend them from the insidious poison of the women -- that self-same "reasonable" of "it's not reasonable to cut the throat of this babe of mine, even though it sucks, how about we whittle it some palliative out of wood! it'd be just as good!". 1770214;1515861376;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 19:10 mircea_popescu: it was a sad vulnerable moment, incidentally. ever heard ye of hugh "magnus" (ie, le maisne in french, literally, "lesser born") ? 1770215;1515861680;mircea_popescu;man who ends up believing "that antipope callixtus totally has the authority to call a crusade because I SAW MOON ECLIPSE" is not substantially different from the failure mode of ideologically unsupported djb, ending up with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634147 just as well as the celebrated http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043852 -- what are these but hughs, ending up fucked in the ass in eastern lands by eastern orcs 1770216;1515861680;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 17:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he "will spend significant time" to find... "Research" tasks adequate to that fuckdolls "level" yet he can't be bothered to figure out how deedbot works ? 1770217;1515861680;a111;Logged on 2015-03-06 02:23 mircea_popescu: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence. 1770218;1515861680;mircea_popescu; because they actually believed eclipse is cogent reason for pantsuit "reasonable" ? 1770219;1515861869;mircea_popescu;all sorts of schmucks ended up with "oh, things will totally happen because i saw keiser on tv!!!", and so forth, then come here to ask me for "comment" on their latest idiocy because who knows, perhaps it's not because it's totally irrelevant and completely invisible that it wasn't mentioned, maybe it's not mentioned because they hadn't asked me, here i was sitting waiting for a rando to inquire! 1770220;1515861887;BingoBoingo; or wtf are we hiring here, whores whose whoring consists of watching you jerk it and strippers whose stripping consists of sitting on chairs on "the stage" watching you watch them ? << This appear to be what the accountacy turned into. Yesterday they insisted "eveything is fine, you will have an account at Itau within 20 days". Thusly I requested copies of my papers and went to BROU with the venezualan Spanish teacher. 1770221;1515861888;BingoBoingo;Next week wil have a series of sitdowns with the cowork manager and other accountants to figure out what exactly "Grupo Carlos Picos / Consultoria" did and did not do. 1770222;1515861890;mircea_popescu;that's vulnerable alright. 1770223;1515861918;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo alrighty, but as 2nd priority to actually getting the thing set up properly. 1770224;1515861925;mircea_popescu;can sue, but only after you have money conduit in, so 1770225;1515861953;mircea_popescu;(/me very much is in favour of it, you get to argue in court, how many can say same. for what it costs in orclands, worth for the experience moreso than az stripclub visit) 1770226;1515862200;BingoBoingo;Right, that can wait. I suspect in this case properly means applying for residency next week. 1770227;1515862251;mircea_popescu;just hire someone to do THE WORK for you. NOT to do "what they wanted to do anyway, here's how much i want to be paid for it" but WORK. ie, what you say, as you say it, when you say it. 1770228;1515862284;mircea_popescu;instilling this into the heads of the useless orcs (or, zeks, for that matter) and selecting the ones capable of it (so the rest can be simply machinegunned/napalmed) is the fundamental job of the lord anyway. 1770229;1515862323;mircea_popescu;"i want you to do work. this means, what i tell you to do. this does not mean, what you think you should be doing -- that's leisure, and you can pay me to watch you engage in it." 1770230;1515862349;mircea_popescu;!!up NoMo 1770231;1515862350;deedbot;NoMo voiced for 30 minutes. 1770232;1515862389;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769909 << in the sense of, pantsuit impudence, gelasius' famuli vestrae pietatis is possibly a good node, though there was a whole pile of after-the-fact, pious falsification going on towards the end of the empire, including a wholy fabricated "gift of constantine" and in general a whole lotta http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769397 1770233;1515862389;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 19:09 asciilifeform: ... or here's a q. 'worms' had a beginning, neh, at some time prior. where was this beginning, who first demanded 'reasonable taxations' , where 1770234;1515862389;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 20:10 phf: well, it's pious tzadiks writing revenge porn on goyim, which somehow fell on fertile soil in this country. 1770235;1515862444;mircea_popescu;if one compares the pantsuit literary production post-fall of ~that~ empire with the pantsuit literary produciton post fall of their hallucinated clinton empire with http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ one can't possibly avoid being struck by the EXACT IDENTITY 1770236;1515862464;mircea_popescu;"o noes we really won and also things and matters and nobody understands how the world works" bla bla bla bla on it goes. 1770237;1515862655;mircea_popescu;it certainly sets the basis of "the epsilon doctrine", (see http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/#selection-103.331-103.42 ; and note how it is pretended to "equality" and even supremacy whenever the environment conditions permit, but pared down to an epsilon no-matter-what, exactly like the encapsulation behaviour of pathogens), in the sense that much like no french kings existed past 1050 who weren't anna of kiev 1770238;1515862655;mircea_popescu;'s descendents, just so no doctrine of "split of power", be it inside the marriage or inside the state, ever existed to date that's not a derivative of duo sunt. 1770239;1515862711;mircea_popescu;(speaking of which, anna of kiev! anyone know of that literate amazon an' how well she served her master and his son ? quite the model woman ; in any case a great story.) 1770240;1515863649;mircea_popescu;(in other lulz, check out what portland state stole! http://www.web.pdx.edu/~ott/Gelasius/ "abridged translation for classroom use"! for entomologists only, otherwise teh sauce is https://archive.org/stream/epistolaeromano00unkngoog/epistolaeromano00unkngoog_djvu.txt ; or a proper hardcopy if the google mauling is offensive to the eyes, i guess) 1770241;1515863684;mircea_popescu;!!key knubie 1770242;1515863685;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/B2B6A92EB5C140CDE1FEBB31A69A09AA24142942.asc 1770243;1515863696;shinohai;!!rate knubie 1 Managed a Eulora client 1770244;1515863699;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nT4fi/?raw=true 1770245;1515863942;shinohai;!!v 1CB7607866E960AA63C7CCF7904B55C8019B181D508A2BDE95CB84AE8F59D5F9 1770246;1515863942;deedbot;shinohai rated knubie 1 << Managed a Eulora client 1770247;1515864004;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770220 << if they asked for your ameripassport -- alarm bell 1770248;1515864004;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 16:44 BingoBoingo: or wtf are we hiring here, whores whose whoring consists of watching you jerk it and strippers whose stripping consists of sitting on chairs on "the stage" watching you watch them ? << This appear to be what the accountacy turned into. Yesterday they insisted "eveything is fine, you will have an account at Itau within 20 days". Thusly I requested copies of my papers and went to BROU with the venezualan Spanish teacher. 1770249;1515864039;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's a fatal eggog. 1770250;1515864071;mircea_popescu;i dunno man, at some point someone somewhere must see some id or else what, bearer corp, first come just walks with it ? 1770251;1515864096;asciilifeform;well no, agent knows your face ( or , better, pubkey ) 1770252;1515864152;asciilifeform;but anyway asciilifeform is not a mega-expert , but knows what this spiked pit looks like. 1770253;1515864170;mircea_popescu;a person who interacts on the basis of faces is called girlfriend. it's fine to have, but it's not properly speaking a business arrangement. 1770254;1515864194;mircea_popescu;a person who interacts on the basis of keys is called a l2. also fine to have, but if we had a l2 isp he wouldn't have been sent off. 1770255;1515864237;asciilifeform;on other hand, a person who agrees that you is you after being shown some usg paper, is agent of usg. 1770256;1515864265;asciilifeform;if doing business with those, can do it right here in usgistan, no need for airplane, bedbugs, neh 1770257;1515864281;mircea_popescu;this shall be henceforth known as bb's intractable trilemma. 1770258;1515864333;mircea_popescu;speaking of "definition of girlfriend", anyone recall that great line in http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york/ "have i had you ? they don't use my christian name!" 1770259;1515864358;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine what can possibly stop it -- the rest state is, "he who sees the face takes the cock" unavoidably. 1770260;1515864380;asciilifeform;( speaking of old trilemology : pheature req for mircea_popescu : canhaz randomolade url that returns a ~ro~ article ? ) 1770261;1515864439;mircea_popescu;hm. 1770262;1515864450;mircea_popescu;aite, will put it in workpile! 1770263;1515864454;asciilifeform;yay 1770264;1515864499;*;asciilifeform stepping up rotaku diet, in gear-up for second expedition 1770265;1515864649;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770240 << holyshit this has got to be the shittest ocr i've ever seen 1770266;1515864649;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 17:14 mircea_popescu: (in other lulz, check out what portland state stole! http://www.web.pdx.edu/~ott/Gelasius/ "abridged translation for classroom use"! for entomologists only, otherwise teh sauce is https://archive.org/stream/epistolaeromano00unkngoog/epistolaeromano00unkngoog_djvu.txt ; or a proper hardcopy if the google mauling is offensive to the eyes, i guess) 1770267;1515864658;BingoBoingo; on other hand, a person who agrees that you is you after being shown some usg paper, is agent of usg. << This works so long as you shuffle brown paper bags and no one knows about the bags without having more investment in future bags than the present bag 1770268;1515864685;mircea_popescu;^icjitizedbvGOOgle 1770269;1515864895;mircea_popescu;but... don't complain too much ; the majority of the readers of that thing, which is to say monks in centuries prior, had it a lot worse! 1770270;1515864925;asciilifeform;the j00z, of same period, were higher-tech, had invented checksum 1770271;1515864957;asciilifeform;( row/col checksums, believe or not ) 1770272;1515864970;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770250 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770255 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770257 << The cut here is probably going to be "get a local id" 1770273;1515864970;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 17:21 mircea_popescu: i dunno man, at some point someone somewhere must see some id or else what, bearer corp, first come just walks with it ? 1770274;1515864970;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 17:23 asciilifeform: on other hand, a person who agrees that you is you after being shown some usg paper, is agent of usg. 1770275;1515864970;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 17:24 mircea_popescu: this shall be henceforth known as bb's intractable trilemma. 1770276;1515865086;BingoBoingo; if doing business with those, can do it right here in usgistan, no need for airplane, bedbugs, neh << Bedbug with hotchix better than nobugs with hamplanets 1770277;1515865128;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'better rich and healthy, than poor and ill' (tm)(r) 1770278;1515865206;BingoBoingo;But rich/healthy in what? 1770279;1515865585;asciilifeform;i mean, it ain't as if 'hamplanet' is caused by begbug-scarcity. 1770280;1515865590;asciilifeform;*bedbug 1770281;1515865690;mircea_popescu;oyesitis. 1770282;1515865728;asciilifeform;howssat? 1770283;1515865748;mircea_popescu;the moment it's not clear to the female mind that "either do what i fucking tell you or else gutter", quite literally gutter as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770051 -- there's nothing to protect her from assuming her globular final form. 1770284;1515865748;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 00:20 mircea_popescu: what is the meaning of "ascension" in this context, if it isn't literally "i picked a chick out of the river of shit" ? 1770285;1515865802;mircea_popescu;pantsuit keeps talking of modern obesity as if it were immediately related to abundance of food. this is batshit nonsense -- harem girls in sultan's palace sure as fuck experienced no food scarcity. 1770286;1515865820;mircea_popescu;the problem is that the relation is mediated -- cheap accessible food leads to disobedient female mind leads to destroyed female body. 1770287;1515865824;asciilifeform;abundance of walmartolade + lack of walking 1770288;1515865933;mircea_popescu;"die octavo Jduum Martiamm" << ahahaha this ocr rocks. check it out hanbot, jduu lives! 1770289;1515865996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i also suspect that your model is incomplete : usa does not lack a gutter 1770290;1515866005;BingoBoingo; the moment it's not clear to the female mind that "either do what i fucking tell you or else gutter", quite literally gutter as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770051 -- there's nothing to protect her from assuming her globular final form. << This is looking right. The girls seem to know what bites, and yet this is a nicer hostel. 1770291;1515866005;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 00:20 mircea_popescu: what is the meaning of "ascension" in this context, if it isn't literally "i picked a chick out of the river of shit" ? 1770292;1515866021;hanbot;lol Jduum 1770293;1515866022;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: USia lacks a gutter for women willing to have a child 1770294;1515866033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it lacks a clear and present conception of downward social mobility everpresent before the eyes and therefore present in the brain of the patients. 1770295;1515866055;asciilifeform;maybe 1980s usa 1770296;1515866067;asciilifeform;in the current-day one, ~everybody knows what 'downward mobility' looxlike. 1770297;1515866090;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo has it, there's gutter as in, http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-adevarat-in-gangsta-rap/#selection-89.212-89.464 but past the age of 20 or so, mamie-ing is pretty much guaranteed as a basal option. 1770298;1515866096;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, they count that as normal because they are in it together. 1770299;1515866108;asciilifeform;e.g. the various gabriel_laddels living in communal flats, instead of their parents' cardboardmansions 1770300;1515866115;mircea_popescu;cuz pantsuited hilarity wants to sit around fat women in colors and can't be arsed to take her bony behind to fucking harare. 1770301;1515866124;mircea_popescu;so took harare to maryland instead. 1770302;1515866192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as best i can discern the furtherst they've come to conceptualization is something vague and indistinct like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717377 "bad luck" sorta neutrality. 1770303;1515866192;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 04:40 elaineo: it sucks a lot 1770304;1515866213;BingoBoingo;Pretty much all of blue.usg is organized around woman has baby gets fed, more absent and delinquent the father more woman is fed 1770305;1515866242;mircea_popescu;this is not even false, yeah. 1770306;1515866267;mircea_popescu;well, they also feed misfortunate "pets" / animal abuse victims into a perfect globular shape 1770307;1515866272;mircea_popescu;but... yeah. 1770308;1515866331;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: corn liquishit does ~same thing to all species, apparently. the poor beasts more often than not look as if raised for the table. 1770309;1515866340;mircea_popescu;irk?! 1770310;1515866374;mircea_popescu;"why is the fat woman going around with a live snack trapped in her stomachs ?" "that is a famous star and that is her pet dog" "you don't say ?!" 1770311;1515866393;BingoBoingo;As I explain to people here the US is a poor country. The houses are build with sticks like temporary sets for stage and film. All the "riches" get burned in the insurance racket. 1770312;1515866517;BingoBoingo;And the only crops the US still has the means to grow are corn and soybeans, but Brazil has eclipsed the US in soybean quality. 1770313;1515866684;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1770314;1515866691;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14296.78, vol: 8682.38149842 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14319.0, vol: 30222.34604363 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14520.1, vol: 460.41348177 | Volume-weighted last average: 14316.4512128 1770315;1515868630;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770285 <- they weren't thin though either 1770316;1515868630;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 17:50 mircea_popescu: pantsuit keeps talking of modern obesity as if it were immediately related to abundance of food. this is batshit nonsense -- harem girls in sultan's palace sure as fuck experienced no food scarcity. 1770317;1515868667;mircea_popescu;what is here meant by thin ? no, definitely not calvin klein 1990 thin. 1770318;1515868699;mircea_popescu;but -- yes think ankles, and yes narrow waists, and no drooping jaw/pantsuit neckline. 1770319;1515868735;diana_coman;it's true that food abundance doesn't have anything to do with anything, but the sultan's harem doesn't seem a good example really, that's all 1770320;1515868749;mircea_popescu;which i suspect is the 100% of what "thin" even means to the male gaze, you can be a parsec across for as long as your ankle / neck fits in one hand and waist fits in two. 1770321;1515868761;mircea_popescu;diana_coman any particular houri you have in mind or ? 1770322;1515868955;mircea_popescu;!~google period ottoman cariye 1770323;1515868956;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Ottoman Imperial Harem - Wikipedia: ; Cariye | İSTANBUL TOPKAPI HAREMİ SULTAN VE ...: ; 11 best cariye images on Pinterest | Harems, Ottomans and Ottoman ...: 1770324;1515868996;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, well, can't say I saw one for myself but on one hand it's not as if they were thrown out of it when old (or not all really as far as I gathered) and on the other hand all those "solduri falnice" etc can't be all that thin either 1770325;1515869010;mircea_popescu;there, not even terrible summary -- OĞUZ TOPOĞLU : levni sarayda bir cariye minyatürü - osmanlı https://www.pinterest.com/pin/463659724121805066/ 1770326;1515869097;mircea_popescu;diana_coman turkic style girl (thick black hair, wide hips, almond eyes etc) can be quite thin, yes. anyway, when saying obese people think more of "this body has been defeated" http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ sort of disaster, rather than "this body is expressing some sort of ancient genotype as best it can" 1770327;1515869196;diana_coman;yeah, another abused word this fat basically 1770328;1515869214;mircea_popescu;it was fattened! 1770329;1515869323;diana_coman;ahaha, quite 1770330;1515869393;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770324 << iirc they had a 'emeritus' harem, in old palace, for the old 1770331;1515869393;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 18:43 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, can't say I saw one for myself but on one hand it's not as if they were thrown out of it when old (or not all really as far as I gathered) and on the other hand all those "solduri falnice" etc can't be all that thin either 1770332;1515869405;asciilifeform;( aside from the case of that 1 sultan who 'retired' entire harem in the river ) 1770333;1515869416;mircea_popescu;well, ottoman harem was political institution. 1770334;1515869420;asciilifeform;aha 1770335;1515869447;mircea_popescu;sultan may now and again fuck one of the odalisques sitting around listening in in the corners, but the primary function was like... substitute cinema + vidya. 1770336;1515869462;mircea_popescu;dood mostly sat around with the smarter ones played chess and talked poliphisophies. 1770337;1515869486;mircea_popescu;ie, harems sexual function was symbolic, political function concrete. 1770338;1515870302;BingoBoingo; dood mostly sat around with the smarter ones played chess and talked poliphisophies. << Aha, the brasileras en hostel loved the story of the daring escape from the Dominica y su mama 1770339;1515871201;diana_coman;gah, made the mistake of actually finding what seem like real photos of 19th century Iranian harem; as the saying goes, beauty is first of all a full set of limbs or what was it 1770340;1515871546;mod6;hai 1770341;1515871580;BingoBoingo;hai mod6 1770342;1515871628;mod6;how goes BingoBoingo! 1770343;1515871646;BingoBoingo;I am learning to become far less trusting! 1770344;1515871672;BingoBoingo;Of local "professionals" 1770345;1515871728;mod6;Sure. Nothing like jumping into the deep end of the pool 'eh. 1770346;1515871911;shinohai;Afternnon mod6! 1770347;1515871996;mod6;hi shinohai 1770348;1515872152;BingoBoingo;At least if I need dental work, I know my Spanish teacher is sufficiently reliable and served in that profession 1770349;1515872201;mod6;Heh, right on. 1770350;1515872285;BingoBoingo;But one can not depend on a single professional for every task 1770351;1515872323;mod6;It'll be fine as you meet & get to know more and more locals. That kinda thing just takes time. 1770352;1515872764;BingoBoingo;And you know... get better at disqualifying locals faster 1770353;1515873085;mod6;aha. ya. 1770354;1515874106;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/the-broad-and-the-million-fireants-a-parable/ << A rereading 1770355;1515876105;shinohai;And in other mentally ill alt btcvixens: http://archive.is/armSD 1770356;1515876174;asciilifeform;'Obama left behind “hints of a progressive legacy,” but very few permanent accomplisments' << oh hey wapo dun dictionariate either 1770357;1515876266;shinohai;I will pop popcorn for the sure to follow expulsion vote if it gets elected. 1770358;1515876266;knubie;lmao shinohai 1770359;1515876286;asciilifeform;expulsion vote ? 1770360;1515876326;shinohai;House and Senate can vote to expel anyone they deem "unfit" 1770361;1515876332;asciilifeform;oh hah they can 1770362;1515876350;asciilifeform;0 since civilwar tho 1770363;1515876412;shinohai;Yeah, they actually let Ted Stevens serve. 1770364;1515876837;mod6;to the gallows with 'em all! 1770365;1515877114;shinohai;I was gonna recommend anal impalement mod6, but ...... 1770366;1515878277;mod6;omg colorizing these edges by hand is taking some time. 1770367;1515878311;mod6;making some diagrams for the blog post here... 1770368;1515880330;mod6;Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, I have created a blog post outlining the behavior changes in 99993. Please take a look and consider these changes. Let me know if you have any comments or questions! Thanks in advance. http://www.mod6.net/2018/99993/99993-changes.html 1770369;1515881436;diana_coman;that looks very good to me, mod6 1770370;1515881492;*;trinque read as well, makes sense. 1770371;1515881829;asciilifeform;oh hey neato 1770372;1515882183;shinohai;!!up organdnor 1770373;1515882183;deedbot;organdnor voiced for 30 minutes. 1770374;1515882339;mod6;diana_coman: ok thanks for taking a look! 1770375;1515882344;mod6;thanks trinque 1770376;1515882395;organdnor;i am in appreciation for the voice 1770377;1515882440;organdnor;now that ive done homework; i have learnt wtf itvus going down here. 1770378;1515882496;organdnor;are the most high Lords and aristocratic godhead popescu & the ascii4lyfe grand admiral in current attendance? 1770379;1515882557;shinohai;And who might you be organdnor ? 1770380;1515882563;organdnor;having been oblivious as to what *trilema* refers 1770381;1515882589;organdnor;i dink bout the deeper net in search of intelligence 1770382;1515882605;shinohai;Sounds like you could use a little. 1770383;1515882611;organdnor;read the logs for this individuals prior confrontation 1770384;1515882617;organdnor;indeed, indeed 1770385;1515882624;organdnor;who couldn't? 1770386;1515882636;shinohai;!!down organdnor 1770387;1515882664;shinohai;Come back when you have something meaningful to share. 1770388;1515882752;knubie;lol 1770389;1515882764;knubie;weirdos popping up everywhere today!! 1770390;1515882773;asciilifeform;knubie: same goes for you 1770391;1515882809;asciilifeform;!#s from:knubie 1770392;1515882809;a111;50 results for "from:knubie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aknubie 1770393;1515882830;asciilifeform;^ not a single thin in there that isn't a turd on the road 1770394;1515882833;asciilifeform;*thing in 1770395;1515882874;mod6;<+asciilifeform> oh hey neato << yeah! let me know what ya think, it's all up for discussion. 1770396;1515882880;mod6;no rush. 1770397;1515882882;asciilifeform;mod6: looks correct 1770398;1515882887;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770339 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/2e/5c/a92e5ce12c954638b17cde3676398143.jpg << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-01#1419542 << looks like jay leno 1770408;1515883054;a111;Logged on 2016-03-01 21:57 asciilifeform: 'fata de impins vagoane' ! 1770409;1515883133;mircea_popescu;https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/news-1471347116-9610_large.jpg << apparently moustachioed womenz were at a premium too. 1770410;1515883146;mircea_popescu;aaanyways, irani chicks are naturally quite hot, nfi what inbred cesspool this is. 1770411;1515883154;hanbot;ahahaha mod6 she totally does 1770412;1515883154;asciilifeform;royals, prolly 1770413;1515883157;asciilifeform;like errywhere else 1770414;1515883175;mod6;hanbot: :D 1770415;1515883229;mircea_popescu;!~google antoin sevruguin portraits 1770416;1515883231;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Antoin Sevruguin - Wikipedia: ; Antoin Sevruguin | Iran in Photographs | Explore | Freer and Sackler ...: ; Antoin Sevruguin's Portraits : African presence in Qajar Persia: 1770417;1515883266;mircea_popescu;(busting the above pantsuit "body image politics" bubble is productive. for instance, more actuallty typical of the period, http://www.cvltnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/nude-1-1-750x550.jpg 1770418;1515883268;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770183 << is this...a per-month list of words with occurrence counts & article links? cause it's pretty cool, i'll see about working it into indexer. i did notice that eg "wouldn" got counted as a word...cans escape for apostrophe? 1770419;1515883268;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 07:06 mircea_popescu: !~later tell hanbot here's something you might find useful : http://trilema.com/hanbot/ 1770420;1515883297;mircea_popescu;hanbot yes it is ; sadly no, because ' is used ambiguously as quotation mark or apostrophe. 1770421;1515883304;hanbot;ooh 1770422;1515883334;hanbot;well not that big a deal rly 1770423;1515883351;mircea_popescu;http://www.cvltnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/girl-1-700x394.jpg << more of the same. 1770424;1515883519;hanbot;wow 63 months eh. subjectively sensed .en trilema was so much younger... 1770425;1515883535;mircea_popescu;five.years. 1770426;1515883543;hanbot;anyway this is a really cool itam, tyvm! 1770427;1515883558;mircea_popescu;originally i was going to make the thing one single page, but guess what ? 200mb html file, i doubt any gui browser can meaningfully render 1770428;1515883568;hanbot;nuts 1770429;1515883568;mod6;yowza 1770430;1515883570;mircea_popescu;(not that this matters, right, they got unicode why should anyone worry about being useful) 1770431;1515883618;shinohai;If you think Iranians that look like Jay Leno are hot, check out: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/sexyvitalik.jpg 1770432;1515883652;mircea_popescu;that claw ;/ 1770433;1515883673;hanbot;mircea_popescu : how didja arrive at 12 occurrences as the threshold for reportage? 1770434;1515883685;mircea_popescu;i dunno, magic number ? 1770435;1515883719;mod6;shinohai: lolwtf 1770436;1515883720;mircea_popescu;i coulda done larger, but you realise it immensifies the files. i just guessed it's a term that'd be rare enough to be memorable. 1770437;1515883821;hanbot;aha. !#s precious cuntlet 1770438;1515883864;hanbot;!#s precious cuntlet 1770439;1515883865;a111;12 results for "precious cuntlet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=precious%20cuntlet 1770440;1515883870;mircea_popescu;lmao! 1770441;1515883872;hanbot;lmfao 1770442;1515883875;mircea_popescu;see ? 1770443;1515883881;hanbot;i got nuffin' 1770444;1515883908;mircea_popescu;only ~4 articles mention it btw. 1770445;1515884131;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770409 <- idealul lor in viata e femeia cu mustata! 1770446;1515884131;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 22:38 mircea_popescu: https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/news-1471347116-9610_large.jpg << apparently moustachioed womenz were at a premium too. 1770447;1515884141;shinohai;mod6: Butterin is close to full mental collapse. I'll bet the Republic could troll him into: http://archive.is/DiPMq 1770448;1515884192;mod6;wait. that blue haired alien was the mETH guy? 1770449;1515884213;shinohai;Yup. One and same. 1770450;1515884223;asciilifeform;mikehearn will have to make room in his swiss ski lodge 1770451;1515884226;mod6;holy fuckin guacamole 1770452;1515884232;shinohai;lol asciilifeform 1770453;1515885353;mircea_popescu;diana_coman aha! i typed that out at first but then censored myself! 1770454;1515887236;asciilifeform;in other 'news', apparently gnuplot is not capable of labeling datapoints on a log plot. 1770455;1515887247;asciilifeform;( because nobody ever does this !? i have nfi ) 1770456;1515887285;asciilifeform;add yet another proggy to the grand old list of 'liquishit, barely works, and NO alternative known' 1770457;1515887543;shinohai;Ever used "R" asciilifeform ? (though it is a behemoth to me) 1770458;1515887551;asciilifeform;shinohai: tried, barfed 1770459;1515890302;ben_vulpes;!!up sageprobes 1770460;1515890302;deedbot;sageprobes voiced for 30 minutes. 1770461;1515890320;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: visitor for you 1770462;1515890329;ben_vulpes;sageprobes: stand by for a bit, asciilifeform might be online 1770463;1515890397;ben_vulpes;if you have a question, feel free to fire it now 1770464;1515890442;sageprobes;ty. no question atm, still reading up 1770465;1515890495;ben_vulpes;sageprobes: consider registering a gpgrsa key with deedbot so's we can converse like humans 1770466;1515890497;ben_vulpes;!!help 1770467;1515890497;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1770468;1515890558;sageprobes;ben_vulpes: will do, thanks 1770469;1515890928;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/13/the-shape-of-water/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Shape of Water. 1770470;1515891631;asciilifeform;i'm here 1770471;1515891665;ben_vulpes;womp womp 1770472;1515893268;mod6;howdy 1770473;1515893545;ben_vulpes;heya mod6 1770474;1515893589;mod6;how goes? 1770475;1515894051;ben_vulpes;notbad, gnawing on FZ_IDiv; you? 1770476;1515894284;mod6;just been workin on v stuffs. i posted a page above that outlines the recent press calc defect and changes re. 1770477;1515894338;mod6;im way behind. i've been reading through the loper-os posts, and diana_coman's blog posts... but haven't gone through 'em with fine tooth comb yet. probably will have to wait until v things are done. 1770478;1515895836;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770454 << amusingly i recall someone throwing fit re this years ago. 1770479;1515895836;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 23:47 asciilifeform: in other 'news', apparently gnuplot is not capable of labeling datapoints on a log plot. 1770480;1515895847;mircea_popescu;i have nfi, ask rms. he's the champion of "gnu tools dun work, take me seriously" 1770481;1515895864;*;asciilifeform wrapping up ch7 1770482;1515895925;mircea_popescu;did your friday turn into saturday monring-evening... ? 1770483;1515896007;asciilifeform;a coupla ch ago, lol 1770484;1515896490;mircea_popescu;in other "i hope beyond hope there's a place under the sun for me" lulz, "That's a lot to read but the pictures were really pretty!" 1770485;1515899678;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/?magic=alf 1770486;1515899689;asciilifeform;ooh neato! 1770487;1515899690;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu ! 1770488;1515899695;mircea_popescu;mah pleasure. 1770489;1515899798;mircea_popescu;ever since i've been clicking it myself, all sorta gems in there. 1770490;1515900362;asciilifeform;and now... 1770491;1515900395;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2118 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 7: Turbo Egyptians. 1770492;1515900401;asciilifeform;^ achtung, panzers!! 1770493;1515900411;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf ch7, ty 1770494;1515900411;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1770495;1515900424;mod6;cool thx asciilifeform 1770496;1515903171;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in high performance seals, http://78.media.tumblr.com/0bd682805858378ba7e9b6ad8d87df76/tumblr_mtchf8pvLl1r0fpsco1_400.gif 1770497;1515903879;danielpbarron;!!rate esthlos 3 fg customer, met for sushi, witnessed my karaoke 1770498;1515903882;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CpoMH/?raw=true 1770499;1515907432;esthlos;!!help 1770500;1515907433;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1770501;1515907485;esthlos;!!rate danielpbarron 3 legit guy, mean karaoke skills 1770502;1515907487;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/P0bq0/?raw=true 1770503;1515907694;esthlos;!!v 461D1CF5D22152912FC571BF79FF098356D076F09B74F3E2F615A024C8438214 1770504;1515907694;deedbot;esthlos rated danielpbarron 3 << legit guy, mean karaoke skills 1770505;1515910148;trinque;what'd he sing? 1770506;1515911497;mircea_popescu;i am rooting for celine dion. 1770507;1515912137;ben_vulpes;i got five on a weezy track 1770508;1515912165;ben_vulpes;esthlos: dish, what was it 1770509;1515934864;jurov;BingoBoingo: what about buying existing company with bank acct and everything? it's standard practice here 1770510;1515943984;mircea_popescu;jurov iirc it was briefly discussed. the risk of doing such a thing in orc (read : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-17#563333 ) is that you acquire debt you don't know about, and can't properly verify afore the fact. 1770511;1515943984;a111;Logged on 2014-03-17 17:04 mircea_popescu: very dangerous to buy property in non-torens lands. 1770512;1515943992;mircea_popescu;works in europe and ~nowhere else. 1770513;1515948639;mircea_popescu;and in other news, there was a young man from Bombay who shagged dozens of chickens each day. he wouldn’t stop fucking 'till they all started clucking, then he’d eat all the eggs that they lay. 1770514;1515949075;shinohai;LOL 1770515;1515949321;knubie;lol 1770516;1515949412;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-saddest-person-in-the-world/ << Trilema - The saddest person in the world. 1770517;1515950569;mircea_popescu;and in other ancient trilemas, "I am going to reward your efforts, in Bitcoinii. Specifically : the best entrant will receive 10 BTC, the 2nd best will receive 3 BTC and the 3rd and 4th best 1 BTC each. Also the 7th best will receive .1337 BTC, to keep things interesting." 1770518;1515950589;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was this the contest that produced 'shall be delivered' ? 1770519;1515950593;mircea_popescu;nope. 1770520;1515950622;asciilifeform;prolly before i tuned in , then ? ( though iirc that one was ~also~ before i tuned in ) 1770521;1515950634;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/#selection-83.0-89.193 1770522;1515950652;asciilifeform;aa 1770523;1515950652;mircea_popescu;you got first comment. 1770524;1515950658;mircea_popescu;but iirc didn't bother to make 10 btc. 1770525;1515950691;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/#comment-92655 << check it out, paid, too! 1770526;1515950694;asciilifeform;i'm not exactly photo master-artist tho. 1770527;1515950706;mircea_popescu;so ? 1770528;1515950725;asciilifeform;btw are the winning entries visible today somewhere ? linx are dead 1770529;1515950729;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is disrupting the notion of expertiuse! 1770530;1515950740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have an offline copy, others might've kept 'em. 1770531;1515950771;asciilifeform;'it's in my tape robot' is not exactly what typically 'visible' means, lol 1770532;1515950783;mircea_popescu;yeah. dunno if visible or not tbh. 1770533;1515950863;mircea_popescu;i might be the only person in the history of the world that paid >100k (ie, nominally, "in excess of fifty ounces of gold" for some rando's rape.) 1770534;1515950882;asciilifeform;hey, better than for that ameripizza 1770535;1515950893;mircea_popescu;less banal, at any rate. 1770536;1515950907;asciilifeform;( or the other d00d's toyota-boeing ) 1770537;1515950909;mircea_popescu;give ameritards bitcoin, 10 years after the fact you'll have stories about remarkably expensive pizzas and bus fares. 1770538;1515950911;mircea_popescu;and i guess heroin, 1770539;1515950981;mircea_popescu;anyway, all this vaguely related to http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/you-created-a-treefort-hurr-560x504.png 1770540;1515950997;mircea_popescu;remember back when reddit thought itself like... significant or something ? important in this world ? 1770541;1515951007;asciilifeform;ooh hey that thing ! 1770542;1515951014;mircea_popescu;turns out ssssuperffffrank's bid didn't pan out for him 1770543;1515951020;asciilifeform;the one with 'beers' 1770544;1515951031;asciilifeform;!#s beers beers beers 1770545;1515951031;a111;108 results for "beers beers beers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=beers%20beers%20beers 1770546;1515951032;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1770547;1515951040;mircea_popescu;oh, sushi&beer right. 1770548;1515951109;asciilifeform;i gotta make a proper search, phf's is infuriatingly nonidentical to grep imho 1770549;1515951119;asciilifeform;( am i the only one who does not like this ? ) 1770550;1515951135;mircea_popescu;what now ? 1770551;1515951141;asciilifeform;look at the output of 'beers beers beers' 1770552;1515951156;asciilifeform;from where does the thing get the idea that it is at liberty to ignore the second and third word ? 1770553;1515951169;asciilifeform;if i wanted to use google's turd, i'd use it 1770554;1515951178;mircea_popescu;you wanted http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%27beers+beers+beers%27 ? 1770555;1515951201;mircea_popescu;dude, it's plainly documented and well known : without quotes it matches all the workds ; with quotes the string 1770556;1515951201;asciilifeform;aha. 1770557;1515951207;mircea_popescu;use the quotes and be happy, what's so hard about this. 1770558;1515951217;asciilifeform;documented where ? 1770559;1515951228;mircea_popescu;i ~like~ the ability to search for stupid cocksucker and get stupid fucking cocksucker as a result. 1770560;1515951228;*;asciilifeform rereads pete_dushenski's item 1770561;1515951234;mircea_popescu;in the log!!111 1770562;1515951252;asciilifeform;( not in http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bots-directory apparently. ) 1770563;1515951253;asciilifeform;lolk 1770564;1515951261;mircea_popescu;i even more like that i can search for stupid "sucker" and get fuck you sucking fuckstupid as well! 1770565;1515951318;mircea_popescu;tbh i'd rather have grep fixed to work like phf's search. sadly no easy way to do this. 1770566;1515951319;*;asciilifeform puts the item in his massive bound paper laboratoryjournal, next to the other supposedly-somewhere-documented-butnotreally materials. 1770567;1515951346;asciilifeform;dunno, can't speak for others, but i fucking hate 'smart' tools. 1770568;1515951350;asciilifeform;and dwimmism. 1770569;1515951377;asciilifeform;i give a string of bytes - i want to search for THAT string of bytes. with ~maybe~, ~optionally and explicitly~, case-mutation. 1770570;1515951392;mircea_popescu;these aren't bytes. 1770571;1515951406;mircea_popescu;they're characters. and wordmatch is the only way to do text search. 1770572;1515951449;asciilifeform;it's the wolframalpha problem -- doing a proper job is ai-complete. so attempting the job at all results in a duct tape perlism that 'works on a good day', when the wind is just-so 1770573;1515951451;mircea_popescu;and force-tokenization (so "match" matches matchbox because of ") is the only way to handle tokenization in a non-"smart" non-dwim manner. 1770574;1515951455;mircea_popescu;whole thing's solid. 1770575;1515951483;mircea_popescu;not even vaguely. the proper job is exactly like this : textsearch with work tokenization which the user can force. 1770576;1515951530;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1770577;1515951590;mircea_popescu;whole fucking point of even having a language in the first place, as opposed to sino liquidshit, is that they're characters not bytestrings and i can search like in human lang. 1770578;1515951615;mircea_popescu;and only reason we even use english is the minimized tokenization necessary ; for all its power romanian/latin/etc would be nothing but "stem" "stem" "Stem" till we drop dead. 1770579;1515951622;mircea_popescu;which is why english amounted to more than romanian ever will. 1770580;1515959720;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform were you actually looking for jay aka http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-13#1466292 ? 1770581;1515959720;a111;Logged on 2016-05-13 04:44 mircea_popescu: Mother mother fuck, mother mother fuck fuck, mother fuck mother fuck noish noish. One, two, one two three four noish noish noish noish. Smokin weed smokin whizz doin coke drinkin beers drinkin beers beers beers. Rollin fatties, smokin blunts. Whos smokes blunts? We smoke blunts. Rollin blunts and smokin.. 1770582;1515959722;BingoBoingo; jurov iirc it was briefly discussed. the risk of doing such a thing in orc (read : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-17#563333 ) is that you acquire debt you don't know about, and can't properly verify afore the fact. << And the ask here for shelf corps starts at 3k -6k USD with that risk 1770583;1515959722;a111;Logged on 2014-03-17 17:04 mircea_popescu: very dangerous to buy property in non-torens lands. 1770584;1515959837;BingoBoingo; and only reason we even use english is the minimized tokenization necessary ; for all its power romanian/latin/etc would be nothing but "stem" "stem" "Stem" till we drop dead. << And the subtle variation of how to conjugate are the barrier between latin languages. Here it is becoming clear that among the native speakers of Castellano y Portugues that there are persons who can handle more than one language and those 1770585;1515959837;BingoBoingo;persons doomed to their mother's tongue alone 1770586;1515959872;BingoBoingo;The walmart caste, if you will 1770587;1515959882;mircea_popescu;also known as "persons who were beaten enough and persons who were permitted to ossify stupid" 1770588;1515959969;BingoBoingo;AHA, here the bulk of the Brasileros parents loved them enough to beat them 1770589;1515960070;BingoBoingo;Anyways this morning for ~3 hours English was the majority native tongue at the hostel. Yo, una chica de Chicago, una pareja de Australasia, y una pareja de Ireland. I had to explain that no, not all Brasilians are trilingual, just the ones with the means to travel. 1770590;1515960107;mircea_popescu;heh 1770591;1515960160;BingoBoingo;And that guy from Australia/girl from New Zealand, when you go to the boondocks of Brasil in 2 weeks you will no find this much of your mom's language 1770592;1515960180;mircea_popescu;wait, i thought all ourdemocracy shitheads are quadrilingual. 1770593;1515960185;mircea_popescu;so as not to be outdone by orcs. 1770594;1515960214;BingoBoingo;Nah, solo ingles para mas diversitit. Learning other languages is cultural appropriation! 1770595;1515960229;mircea_popescu;don't tell me they're just all esltards who hallucinate a "but it's ok, whole rest of world cares about our shitland ever so deeply" coda because "here is everywhere" and also because "it's easier this way" not to mention it'd make "everything alright" 1770596;1515960299;BingoBoingo;They are. Well girl from Chicago does SQL for McDonalds 1770597;1515960316;mircea_popescu;rare and valuable skill. 1770598;1515960328;BingoBoingo;That's how she described it. 1770599;1515960336;mircea_popescu;!#s sylvester 1770600;1515960337;a111;0 results for "sylvester", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sylvester 1770601;1515960343;mircea_popescu;i guess ima have to write this then. 1770602;1515960495;BingoBoingo;Anyways she had been hanging around one neighborhood her whole stay until she made the wise decision to buy me lunch. "Montevideo is so expensive" "Only the tourist trap part you've limited youself to" 1770603;1515960526;BingoBoingo;Y entonces I hired a car and she bought the pizza 1770604;1515960715;BingoBoingo;Normally I would have walked if it wasn't for the lluvia 1770605;1515960824;mircea_popescu;speasking of which, me shall proceed to steak up. laters! 1770606;1515960841;BingoBoingo;Disfruta tu cena! 1770607;1515960852;shinohai;I see a BingoBlog post ... "Un Domingo lluvioso" 1770608;1515960884;BingoBoingo;Eh, not particularly interesting. Just got reminded how boring Anglophones are 1770609;1515960906;BingoBoingo;"Sure the locals are stupid in their ways, but in old country..." 1770610;1515961350;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1770611;1515961356;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13439.93, vol: 7362.53009084 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13321.0, vol: 32655.05555892 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13501.0, vol: 2507.90112926 | Volume-weighted last average: 13352.2059428 1770612;1515961655;shinohai;Oh look, Kraken decides to work again. 1770613;1515980724;shinohai;!~later tell ben_vulpes is mimisbrunnr www down for maintenance? Getting Internal Server Errors. 1770614;1515980724;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1770615;1515985089;ben_vulpes;shinohai: not deliberately, thanks for the alert 1770616;1515985140;shinohai;Stormy night for the Republic, my server went down mysteriously too. 1770617;1515985351;ben_vulpes;shinohai: system is complaining that the file dun exist when it quite clearly does, gonna hafta look into this but not atm, thanks for chiming in 1770618;1515985372;mircea_popescu;in other news, it was discovered that the restaurant here i lauded a coupla places, doris metropolitan, is actually an ofshoot of a houston steakhouse! dja ever go trinque ? 1770619;1515985390;shinohai;No problem ben_vulpes 1770620;1515986419;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-14#1770505 << was all over the place 1770621;1515986419;a111;Logged on 2018-01-14 06:09 trinque: what'd he sing? 1770622;1515986466;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-14#1770507 << yes, actually! five bitcoin or fiatola? 1770623;1515986466;a111;Logged on 2018-01-14 06:42 ben_vulpes: i got five on a weezy track 1770624;1515986490;mircea_popescu;five freshly collared portland slaves. 1770625;1515986501;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-14#1770506 << haha, where were you when he needed suggestions? 1770626;1515986501;a111;Logged on 2018-01-14 06:31 mircea_popescu: i am rooting for celine dion. 1770627;1515986509;mircea_popescu;right here! 1770628;1515986528;esthlos;hmm gotta get irc client for phone! 1770629;1515986560;mircea_popescu;ya, but careful, lotta crapple ircers end up banned 1770630;1515986649;esthlos;kay, will test (but have android... asciilifeform need a nickname for that. lamedroid is clumsy) 1770631;1515986683;mircea_popescu;phonedbvGOOgle ? 1770632;1515986730;esthlos;germanGooglers 1770633;1515987311;shinohai;It's the Google pocket surveillance system. 1770634;1515988167;danielpbarron;i ended with a weezy track, mrs. officer 1770635;1515999435;mircea_popescu;!!up douchebag 1770636;1515999436;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes. 1770637;1516000011;douchebag;Hello 1770638;1516000042;douchebag;I am a security researcher, I mainly focus in web application exploitation currently. Is there anything I could help with here? 1770639;1516000042;mircea_popescu;what's up 1770640;1516000055;mircea_popescu;well, got a blog or anything ? 1770641;1516000059;douchebag;yes 1770642;1516000063;mircea_popescu;link ? 1770643;1516000089;mircea_popescu;and in other boudouir shorts, https://78.media.tumblr.com/6a4b68a216bf98e4a55aa581d10c38da/tumblr_mzx9epAqtD1saticco1_1280.jpg 1770644;1516000140;douchebag;mircea_popescu: pm'd 1770645;1516000173;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-02#1358891 1770646;1516000173;a111;Logged on 2016-01-02 14:04 mircea_popescu: i don't do private chats with people i don't know. you want to talk about something, this is the venue. 1770647;1516000221;douchebag;oh 1770648;1516000247;douchebag;https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/bug-bounty-fastmail-feeda67905f5 1770649;1516000256;mircea_popescu;medium eh ? 1770650;1516000279;douchebag;yeah 1770651;1516000414;mircea_popescu;douchebag where's that hall of fame on their site ? 1770652;1516000430;douchebag;http://fastmail.com 1770653;1516000436;douchebag;bottom link 1770654;1516000450;douchebag;"Report a security issue" 1770655;1516000462;mircea_popescu;o hey, silver for 2017 huh ? 1770656;1516000480;douchebag;mhm 1770657;1516000539;mircea_popescu;well, lessee, stuff that might be of professional interest to you then. http://trilema.com/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item http://trilema.com/internet-census-2016 http://trilema.com/xenforo-no-better-than-vbulletin-certainly-not-all-that-different etc. 1770658;1516000557;mircea_popescu;mostly for teh lulz. 1770659;1516000581;mircea_popescu;!!key 1770660;1516000583;mircea_popescu;!!key dooglus 1770661;1516000584;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/258EAE7C26B1F2EBCFA180C04BE6A010492A358E.asc 1770662;1516000585;mircea_popescu;gah 1770663;1516000587;mircea_popescu;!!key douchebag 1770664;1516000588;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5A067BA31976B2576818247075CD5709D6509291.asc 1770665;1516000667;mircea_popescu;that'd be... not your key your twitter advertises on... keybase (?!) 1770666;1516000759;douchebag;oh no, i switch between communities/handles 1770667;1516000786;mircea_popescu;"i or absolutely anyone else" 1770668;1516000802;douchebag;if you want I can verify that key 1770669;1516000830;mircea_popescu;pretty sure noone gives a shit about keybase anyway, so not much to verify. 1770670;1516000851;douchebag;true 1770671;1516000857;mircea_popescu;so what's this primefort thing do then ? 1770672;1516000889;douchebag;Primefort? 1770673;1516000912;mircea_popescu;"So, It’s been a while since I’ve blogged about something. It’s because I’m busy with my cybersecurity startup called PrimeFort (www.primefort.net) for the past 1 year!" 1770674;1516000927;douchebag;That wasn't me 1770675;1516000952;douchebag;you may have browsed to another user published by bugbountywriteup 1770676;1516000960;mircea_popescu;oh it's just a medium feed thing i see. 1770677;1516000980;mircea_popescu;dude they're really raping your content. why exactly not run your own blog like sane people ? 1770678;1516001037;douchebag;Eh, I could do that I haven't really blogged enough I suppose 1770679;1516001045;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1770680;1516001075;mircea_popescu;dja happen upon either ffa or eucrypt write-ups, as it happens ? 1770681;1516001129;douchebag;I'm not entirely sure what people would be interested in hearing about, and no I haven't 1770682;1516001179;mircea_popescu;aha. well, the argument here is that once you have a stable place of residence (as a mental construct) all sorts of things that were inaccessible before become attainable through sheer accumulation. a sort of equivalent to the historical pastoral to agricultural jump, if you will. 1770683;1516001209;mircea_popescu;phylogenesis follows ontogenesis and all that. 1770684;1516001244;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot douchebag 1770685;1516001244;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1770686;1516001277;mircea_popescu;!!rate douchebag 1 hyde.solutions 1770687;1516001279;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/c2zn0/?raw=true 1770688;1516001291;mircea_popescu;!!up douchebag 1770689;1516001291;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes. 1770690;1516001345;douchebag;hmm 1770691;1516003336;mircea_popescu;in other hystericals, "Pantsuit Nation is building the foundation for a more equitable and engaged democracy. Stories shared from the Facebook group are shared with…" 1770692;1516003355;mircea_popescu;building through sharing. stories. welcome to fucktard planet. 1770693;1516016297;lobbes;!Qs-archive phuctor.nosuchlabs.com 1770694;1516016297;lobbesbot;2918 results for "phuctor.nosuchlabs.com", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=phuctor.nosuchlabs.com&sortby= 1770695;1516016382;lobbes;^^ database also now updating on an hourly schedule with any new entries 1770696;1516016657;lobbes;btw "!Qsarchive" (without the "-") also works to call the command. ("!Qs" was already in-use to search logs.minigame.bz) 1770697;1516017374;diana_coman;wow, nice work lobbes 1770698;1516024774;mircea_popescu;ajajaja! 1770699;1516024784;mircea_popescu;!Qs trilema.com 1770700;1516024784;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 312 search results for "trilema.com": http://logs.minigame.bz/search?q=trilema.com 1770701;1516024818;mircea_popescu;!Qs-archive trilema.com 1770702;1516024819;lobbesbot;6880 results for "trilema.com", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=trilema.com&sortby= 1770703;1516024901;mircea_popescu;ok this is pretty cool. 1770704;1516024938;mircea_popescu;lobbes some items appear multiple times tho, like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GoEJ5/?raw=true 1770705;1516025002;mircea_popescu;!Qs-archive 1770706;1516025002;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: (sarchive ) -- Search TMSR archives for 'text' 1770707;1516025012;mircea_popescu;!Qs-archive pantsuit 1770708;1516025012;lobbesbot;23 results for "pantsuit", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=pantsuit&sortby= 1770709;1516025067;mircea_popescu;lobbes archive links should pop in new window (target=blank) 1770710;1516025159;mircea_popescu;also could no-argument call move from mircea_popescu: (sarchive ) -- Search TMSR archives for 'text' to mircea_popescu: (sarchive ) -- Search TMSR archives for 'text' ; here's a list of known domains : url ? 1770711;1516025174;mircea_popescu;just list teh domains you've seen, once each. 1770712;1516027265;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1770713;1516027272;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14260.3, vol: 8220.87242097 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14221.0, vol: 38106.54999817 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14331.2, vol: 3344.98844706 | Volume-weighted last average: 14234.9251951 1770714;1516028206;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.095800 12d4mRYSohxdt1qwQ1ydhdRG5hgBVVVPY9 1770715;1516028210;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TGdKR/?raw=true 1770716;1516029843;shinohai;In the department of "run moar DNS" : http://archive.is/VkRZN 1770717;1516030433;BingoBoingo;In still other "run moar DNS" home routers are suffering own goals when running Google home shit because when one piece sleeps the others flood DNS "keep alive" packets 1770718;1516030499;shinohai;lolz 1770719;1516031401;mod6;mornin' 1770720;1516031451;shinohai;Heya mod6 how goes? 1770721;1516032018;mod6;good! you? 1770722;1516032328;shinohai;Not bad here, gonna sweat over that V case I brought to you the other evening some more until I figure it out. ;) 1770723;1516032364;mod6;ah sure. 1770724;1516032395;mod6;maybe outline the entire problem here -- im not sure I have the right answer on that. alf should comment. 1770725;1516032809;shinohai;Will do, and thanks for all your help (and patience!) on that again. 1770726;1516032873;mod6;np 1770727;1516035154;ben_vulpes;shinohai: fixed, ty 1770728;1516035178;shinohai;ty ben_vulpes o7 1770729;1516035228;shinohai;Hmmm, I'm still getting the ISE from: http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks/504358 1770730;1516035318;ben_vulpes;hm how about that 1770731;1516035320;shinohai;The other two links work fine, however. Only most recently processed block seems to be barfing. 1770732;1516035862;ben_vulpes;i see it, ty 1770733;1516036681;knubie;A programmer was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him and said, “If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess.” He bent over, picked up the frog and put it in his pocket. The frog spoke up again and said, “If you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful princess, I will stay with you for one week.” 1770734;1516036682;knubie;The programmer took the frog out of his pocket, smiled at it and returned it to the pocket. The frog then cried out, “If you kiss me and turn me back into a princess, I'll stay with you and do anything you want.” Again the programmer took the frog out, smiled at it and put it back into his pocket. 1770735;1516036682;knubie;Finally, the frog asked, “What is the matter? I've told you I'm a beautiful princess that I'll stay with you for a week and do anything you want. Why won't you kiss me?” The programmer said, “Look, I'm a programmer. I don't have time for a girlfriend -- but a talking frog, now that's cool.” 1770736;1516036883;BingoBoingo;knubie: See also http://trilema.com/attention-cunt 1770737;1516037068;mircea_popescu;knubie how old are you, actually ? 1770738;1516037109;knubie;mircea_popescu: 29 1770739;1516037120;BingoBoingo;Hay un bebe! 1770740;1516037144;knubie;(: 1770741;1516037160;mircea_popescu;you strike me rather as 15 ; but be that as it may -- stop with these inept/contextless dribbles and nonsense before someone cracks your wot standing. go do something useful, such as implement your own v version. 1770742;1516037250;knubie;that was actually an accidental paste in here.. sorry 1770743;1516037346;mircea_popescu;one day someone will manage to explain to me why this innate pubescent defensive mania anyway. what the fuck. so if you're a girl and you whore out, naked in the road, taking all cocks there is some risk of disease. but if you're a boy and you freely admit you're a boy, what the fuck supposedly happens ? they eat you ? 1770744;1516037375;mircea_popescu;who the fuck that was going to eat you because you're weak and stupid is going to NOT eat you now that you DONT ADMIT IT. 1770745;1516037384;mircea_popescu;wtf nonsense this is, primal stupidity of the human race. 1770746;1516037895;BingoBoingo;RE: shitholes -> “State Department officials said diplomats have been advised not to try to interpret or soften the President’s remarks but rather to listen and acknowledge the countries’ concerns.” 1770747;1516037938;mircea_popescu;o ya, that'll be a lulz, the purging of the blue state core. 1770748;1516037968;mircea_popescu;non-interpretative nikki hailey is kinda like "i don't think i am entitled to an oppinion on when i get fucked" feminist. 1770749;1516038038;BingoBoingo;AHA 1770750;1516038072;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Trump has a rather clear path to relection through his being censured by the African Union 1770751;1516038105;mircea_popescu;2020 is a given, more interesting is the discussion around the reelection of 2024. 1770752;1516038139;mircea_popescu;he could pull a putin, have ivanka president for a cycle, just to bother the democrats. 1770753;1516038147;BingoBoingo;It's pretty clear in 2024 Trump will be too old and have to hand the reigns over to either Gary Busey or Omarosa 1770754;1516038152;mircea_popescu;"who got first woman in white house ? GRAB 'EM BY THE PUSSY!" 1770755;1516038197;BingoBoingo;But Omarosa is a blkkk womyn! 1770756;1516038201;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he's only what, 70 ? 1770757;1516038211;mircea_popescu;with any luck he can pack 4-5 terms in there. 1770758;1516038291;BingoBoingo;Perhaps, but his reported eating habits are too mainstream USian to be sure 1770759;1516038306;mircea_popescu;kuznetsov was what, ~1400 yo. podgorny idem. 1770760;1516038387;shinohai;This is good for Bcrash: http://archive.is/Ni3xX 1770761;1516038712;mircea_popescu;shinohai fucktards don't link "his personal site", ie calvinayre.com 1770762;1516038724;mircea_popescu;now, what's this to do with obscure usg-led altcoin ? 1770763;1516038794;BingoBoingo;Maybe today's they day everybody's paste buffers got flipped? 1770764;1516038855;mircea_popescu;http://ayre.ag/content/uploads/2017/12/certificate@2x.png in other lulz. 1770765;1516038926;mircea_popescu;funny how many billionaires there are around these days. where were you back in like, 2015, beotches. 1770766;1516038956;shinohai;Supposedly declared it "The true Bitcoin" (Can't archive it: https://news.bitcoin.com/calvin-ayre-declares-bitcoin-cash-the-only-bitcoin/ ) 1770767;1516038990;mircea_popescu;right right. as maryland cuck says, "agreement in process" 1770768;1516038996;ben_vulpes;shinohai: k fixd, but asciilifeform i had to take down the raw blocks until i make a less-crazy way of serving those 1770769;1516039023;shinohai;I suspect he also has something to do with SatoshiDice switching to Bcrash 1770770;1516039089;shinohai;Certificate also lulzy. I think I did a Qntra on that once upon a time. 1770771;1516039182;ben_vulpes;tangential lulz: thepiratebay takes bitcoin donations to 3* and also bech32 (beeeeetch!) addrs, will take your monero and litecoin but "BCH: Bcash. LOL" 1770772;1516039194;mircea_popescu;heh 1770773;1516039546;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758769 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770771 1770774;1516039546;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:14 shinohai: This is hilarious on thepiratebay website, on the donation footer says: "Bcash: LOL" 1770775;1516039546;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 17:59 ben_vulpes: tangential lulz: thepiratebay takes bitcoin donations to 3* and also bech32 (beeeeetch!) addrs, will take your monero and litecoin but "BCH: Bcash. LOL" 1770776;1516039610;ben_vulpes;ah, dupe 1770777;1516039827;shinohai;Retardedly, the links all pint to bitcoin.com though. 1770778;1516039834;shinohai;*point 1770779;1516039992;phf;asciilifeform: patches up to date 1770780;1516040874;*;shinohai forgot to wish BingoBoingo a happy Robert E. Lee day. 1770781;1516040913;BingoBoingo;Gracias de Nuevo Dixie 1770782;1516042760;phf;asciilifeform: russky MIPS available for retail "soon" http://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2018-01-11_tsena_na_protsessory_bajkal_snizhaetsya_v_chetyre 1770783;1516043188;BingoBoingo;Fabbed by TMSC 1770784;1516043262;BingoBoingo;Y lol at the comments 1770785;1516043404;phf;yeah, i wonder where elbrus is fabbed (in before ascii's "fabbed in financial instrument papers only!1") 1770786;1516045537;BingoBoingo;phf: If I remember right Elbrus was a SPARC64 y entonces likely missing an ASM instruction useful for FFA with speed 1770787;1516047221;phf;from elsewhere, i've read that elbrus compiler stack (for an unobtanium chip) is completely closed source 1770788;1516047281;phf;i suppose speed is not the goal with a setup like that. glacier time gpg that nobody !11 can fuck with 1770789;1516048904;trinque;inb4 ms visual c++ with serial filed off. 1770790;1516054517;ben_vulpes;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42690251 1770791;1516054962;shinohai;"The US is not a shithole country" 1770792;1516055529;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770711 << k, I'll work to get these three requests in. 1770793;1516055529;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 14:06 mircea_popescu: just list teh domains you've seen, once each. 1770794;1516055532;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770704 << with regards to this one, I figured there would be value in showing each available instance of a disctint URL (shows the history). Perhaps I could make it an option to show either a list of distinct URLs or all instances (and just default to the list of distinct) 1770795;1516055532;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 14:02 mircea_popescu: lobbes some items appear multiple times tho, like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GoEJ5/?raw=true 1770796;1516055548;*;lobbes bbl, meatworld 1770797;1516055860;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770779 << ty phf 1770798;1516055860;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 18:13 phf: asciilifeform: patches up to date 1770799;1516055882;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770782 << what, 3rd ? 4th ? 5th ? yr of 'soon' ? 1770800;1516055882;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 18:59 phf: asciilifeform: russky MIPS available for retail "soon" http://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2018-01-11_tsena_na_protsessory_bajkal_snizhaetsya_v_chetyre 1770801;1516055942;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770787 << nominally it's a sparc. however , my interest in paying any substantial moneys for it, is ~0 . on account of... where to even begin ? how about the fact that said sparc is a straight xerocopy of american sparc ? or the fact that it sits on a bus with a dmatronic taiwanese nic ? or... 1770802;1516055942;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 20:13 phf: from elsewhere, i've read that elbrus compiler stack (for an unobtanium chip) is completely closed source 1770803;1516055965;asciilifeform;for an every-transistor-documented xilinx 'virtex' fpga clone ? would pay 1770804;1516055991;asciilifeform;just about anything else -- is an expensive 'gnu purism laptop'-flavoured scamola sandwitch. 1770805;1516056017;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770786 << nah that was 'openrisc' 1770806;1516056017;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 19:45 BingoBoingo: phf: If I remember right Elbrus was a SPARC64 y entonces likely missing an ASM instruction useful for FFA with speed 1770807;1516056044;asciilifeform;( which lacked carry flag ! i'm still half-convinced that it was an elaborate trololol, rather than an actual design meant to be taken seriously ) 1770808;1516056249;asciilifeform;though i'll point out that ffa as seen today, does not use the cpu carry flag ( recall, no-inline-asmolade rule ) 1770809;1516056273;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1770810;1516056280;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13848.01, vol: 8565.68433796 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13784.0, vol: 31632.05238354 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13848.1, vol: 3426.32722175 | Volume-weighted last average: 13801.6030603 1770811;1516056420;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770768 << what was the problem there ? 1770812;1516056420;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 17:56 ben_vulpes: shinohai: k fixd, but asciilifeform i had to take down the raw blocks until i make a less-crazy way of serving those 1770813;1516056473;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770673 << i see an 'under construction...' 1770814;1516056473;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 07:21 mircea_popescu: "So, It’s been a while since I’ve blogged about something. It’s because I’m busy with my cybersecurity startup called PrimeFort (www.primefort.net) for the past 1 year!" 1770815;1516056723;asciilifeform;incidentally, re elbrus sparc, asciilifeform is reminded of a historic megamystery : why is it that sovblok incandescent bulbs, lasted for approx same time as western ones ? despite the latter's ( documented to my satisfaction ) philips cartel , and the absence of any such thing on su side ? 1770816;1516056746;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's brother's hypothesis was : su idiot-copied the philips-cartel filament ! 1770817;1516056761;asciilifeform;( just like they copied the pdp-11 and more or less errything else... blindly, unthinkingly. ) 1770818;1516056870;asciilifeform;that is the monumental scale of an idiocy like copying sparc, dma, winblowz toolchain. 1770819;1516056956;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770788 << the 'goal', if we can even apply a word like this, is the same as was with chinese 'dragon' mips : to chisel from the ru mil budget. strictly, strictly that. 1770820;1516056956;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 20:14 phf: i suppose speed is not the goal with a setup like that. glacier time gpg that nobody !11 can fuck with 1770821;1516056970;asciilifeform;распил бюджета. 1770822;1516056987;asciilifeform;the thing shows 0 symptoms of any other 'goals'. 1770823;1516058319;esthlos;!~help 1770824;1516058319;jhvh1;esthlos: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. 1770825;1516058360;esthlos;!~help later 1770826;1516058360;jhvh1;esthlos: Error: There is no command "later". However, "Later" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Later'. 1770827;1516058379;esthlos;!~help later tell 1770828;1516058379;jhvh1;esthlos: (later tell ) -- Tells the next time is in seen. can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note. 1770829;1516058389;shinohai;esthlos: see also: http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bots-directory/ 1770830;1516058399;esthlos;aha, I was looking for that! 1770831;1516058402;esthlos;thanks 1770832;1516058417;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770789 << absolutely. the reason WHY they even do the closed source bs. 1770833;1516058417;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 20:41 trinque: inb4 ms visual c++ with serial filed off. 1770834;1516058454;esthlos;!~later tell danielpbarron http://ascii.esthlos.com/dan.asc 1770835;1516058455;jhvh1;esthlos: The operation succeeded. 1770836;1516058697;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770815 << for a reason very much like my original (if misstated) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769871 ; material science as it exists in a decade places some limits on pantsuit posturing, howsoever the pantsuit in question are decorated. 1770837;1516058697;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 22:52 asciilifeform: incidentally, re elbrus sparc, asciilifeform is reminded of a historic megamystery : why is it that sovblok incandescent bulbs, lasted for approx same time as western ones ? despite the latter's ( documented to my satisfaction ) philips cartel , and the absence of any such thing on su side ? 1770838;1516058697;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 18:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno now why i thought the limit is a degree of magnitude higher on both energy and size. 1770839;1516058708;mircea_popescu;that they're "soviet" or "ourdemocracy" matters less than "they exist in 1970". 1770840;1516066885;danielpbarron;!!key esthlos 1770841;1516066887;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/EDB93AD2CAB28398010B46D025C71657FDA71DC2.asc 1770842;1516067007;danielpbarron;404 not found? .. 1770843;1516067023;danielpbarron;!~later tell esthlos plz to later tell me your key.asc i guess 1770844;1516067023;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded. 1770845;1516067045;esthlos;the url works for me 1770846;1516067058;danielpbarron;hrm 1770847;1516067075;trinque;works here. 1770848;1516067079;danielpbarron;weird.. 1770849;1516067094;esthlos;try http://www.esthlos.com/files/ate.asc 1770850;1516067108;danielpbarron;that works 1770851;1516067119;esthlos;fingerprint EDB9 3AD2 CAB2 8398 010B 46D0 25C7 1657 FDA7 1DC2 1770852;1516067334;danielpbarron;esthlos, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jPXH0/?raw=true 1770853;1516067634;esthlos;cool danielpbarron, got it 1770854;1516067715;esthlos;a question for all: is there a good way to store/track collections of encrypted messages? (perhaps with threads, etc.) 1770855;1516067918;esthlos;would be simple enough to cook up if there's interest: sexp storage of paths for structure, calls to gpg to decrypt 1770856;1516067968;shinohai;Would be neat esthlos 1770857;1516067974;danielpbarron;i just dump to txt and then rm 1770858;1516068005;danielpbarron;if it's something to be preserved, sign and deed it 1770859;1516069840;mircea_popescu;esthlos ~nobody uses automated decryption. 1770860;1516070467;esthlos;mircea_popescu: i'm thinking more 1. select thread to view, 2. insert/import/select decryption key, 3. enter pass, 4. show thread 1770861;1516070474;esthlos;reasonable? 1770862;1516070551;asciilifeform;why, in what universe do we need ~more~ liquishit touching gpggram plaintexts, rather than less..?? 1770863;1516070567;asciilifeform;bad enuff that they have to touch a x86 1770864;1516070577;asciilifeform;and radiating vga 1770865;1516070627;asciilifeform;esthlos: consider taking a stab at an open problem that's ACTUALLY A PROBLEM ? 1770866;1516070645;asciilifeform;rather than a 'i dun fee like working on actual problems, so i'm make a microshit outlook for gpg' ?? 1770867;1516070686;asciilifeform;avoid falling into the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763687 trap, esthlos 1770868;1516070686;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 14:53 asciilifeform: 'hardware isn't easy to build therefore couldn't possibly be necessary, the gods would not have made this level so hard, for me, the hero' or similar. 1770869;1516070728;esthlos;apparently my real-problem radar needs training 1770870;1516070739;asciilifeform;esthlos: the answer lies in the logs 1770871;1516070746;mircea_popescu;i imagine this is somethiong he perceives he needs for himself which is the driver 1770872;1516070752;asciilifeform;esthlos: how many instances of 'i wish i had a gui for gpg' did you count in the logs ? 1770873;1516070753;mircea_popescu;esthlos what problem are you trying to solve here ? 1770874;1516070754;asciilifeform;i count 0. 1770875;1516070922;esthlos;mircea_popescu: how to organize and preserve gpg encrypted conversations for later reading 1770876;1516070952;mircea_popescu;consider maybe taking a bite out of the (afaik still unaproached) superproblem ? 1770877;1516070976;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ << got specced after the 2015 destruction / public humiliation of fetlife 1770878;1516071019;esthlos;hah, thought you were going to say non-shit gpg 1770879;1516071039;mircea_popescu;you know, there's a reason why the mp-emulator is an open problem sitll. 1770880;1516071045;asciilifeform;lol 1770881;1516071051;esthlos;but this...is doable 1770882;1516071056;esthlos;(by me) 1770883;1516071065;mircea_popescu;might also be useful ; in any case might be usable which is almost as good. 1770884;1516071083;mircea_popescu;look into diana_coman 's work re all the "Safe and good enough (tm) rsa" 1770885;1516071089;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you've been following eucrypt. 1770886;1516071092;esthlos;yes 1770887;1516071119;mircea_popescu;(note that there's no absolute reason above item has to import browser & js. could also be stand-alone proggy) 1770888;1516071130;mircea_popescu;the merger into gossipd and eulora later on -- obviously open avenue. 1770889;1516072445;esthlos;alright, I will be thinking about this 1770890;1516072704;esthlos;I can imagine it being very cool in eulora. mpi in js sounds hairy 1770891;1516073172;mircea_popescu;well, something you'll have to use./ 1770892;1516073178;mircea_popescu;rsa in js seems hairy however you slice it. 1770893;1516074549;asciilifeform;meanwhile, for folx weary of modern-day scamola and flimflammery : some good ol'fashioned '90s swindle... http://redhill.net.au/b/b-bad.html 1770894;1516074590;asciilifeform;'Here is our friend the anonymous 486 board again. See those black plastic things with metal legs on in the picture below? They look rather like cache RAM chips, don't they?' 1770895;1516074680;asciilifeform;'How could the board run with cache enabled in BIOS but without any cache? Simple: the manufacturer had reprogrammed the BIOS to permanently disable external cache no matter which way you set it, and to report "256k cache enabled" during the boot sequence no matter what.' 1770896;1516074802;asciilifeform;best of all: 1770897;1516074813;asciilifeform;'And this is why the BIOS chip was soldered directly into the board, instead of being socketed: not just to save using a 10c part, but so that you couldn't easily remove it and detect the fraud...' 1770898;1516074895;mircea_popescu;lmap 1770899;1516075061;asciilifeform;'But there is a deeper moral: in a way, the real culprits were the hordes of greedy retail buyers who made it all possible. By relentlessly shopping on price, price and price, a great many Australian PC buyers left themselves wide open to this fraud. In the end, the one essential thing that makes con tricks possible and practical is the greed of the victim.' 1770900;1516075074;asciilifeform;whole thing worth reading. 1770901;1516078137;mircea_popescu;half a moral. from the same place(not that it's not true to the point of triteness) " Quite often the most expensive boards are no better than the honest middle of the road ones, just priced higher." 1770902;1516078256;mircea_popescu;the problem is not SIMPLY a bunch of fucktards who shop for price only. the cause they shop for price only is that a) http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-711.0-711.610 ie they hallucinate themselves in a position of authority from whence they can make choices in the first place and THEN b) because the position is fictive rather than actual, they need some sort of substitut 1770903;1516078256;mircea_popescu;e criteria. so they pick price when shopping just as they pick cliffnotes and "is the A easy ??" classes when "educating" and "i just want to" when acting and so on ad infinitum. 1770904;1516078282;mircea_popescu;THIS is why expensive boards are just the same middle road shit overpriced, and THIS is why everything else : because the hallucination of self-importance is actually destructiv3e. 1770905;1516078567;mircea_popescu;buffettism through and through, "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?" 1770906;1516078654;mircea_popescu;but what fucking "ingenuity", the last immigrant irishman long retired from the police force, what are we talking about ? "oh but mp, i went to a walmart called MIT, it says it's the premiere technical institution in the world right there in its brochure! surely i can come up with something technological!" "you mean like... a website ?" "yeah!" "totally, move to silicon valley and revolutionize the technowhatever" "SHIT YEAH!" 1770907;1516079475;ben_vulpes;!!up pehbot 1770908;1516079475;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1770909;1516079492;ben_vulpes;!A .40# 1770910;1516079492;pehbot;ben_vulpes: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000040 1770911;1516081848;ben_vulpes;okay i get the FZ_IDiv implementation now, that's pretty cool asciilifeform 1770912;1516082264;ben_vulpes;no, strike that 1770913;1516083322;apeloyee;FFA homework is fun! I'd like to present a homework problem of my own, the following Perfectly Innocent (tm) patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tcvvO/?raw=true . The task is to find a bug WITHOUT running the code (that's cheating, per Dijkstra: " we see to it that the programming language in question has not been implemented on campus so that students are protected from the temptation to... 1770914;1516083323;apeloyee;...test their programs." (https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html )) 1770915;1516083348;apeloyee;(it is against Chapter 7) 1770916;1516083361;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770618 << haven't. I'll put it on the list, looks great 1770917;1516083361;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 03:02 mircea_popescu: in other news, it was discovered that the restaurant here i lauded a coupla places, doris metropolitan, is actually an ofshoot of a houston steakhouse! dja ever go trinque ? 1770918;1516083489;ben_vulpes;apeloyee: thank you sir may i have another 1770919;1516083505;apeloyee;sorry, didn't make more 1770920;1516083524;ben_vulpes;ah no, it's a kind of joke 1770921;1516083529;ben_vulpes;"beatings" 1770922;1516083567;apeloyee;for srs 1770923;1516083716;ben_vulpes;in other lolz, my mom just got a voicemail from someone claiming that i "seem to be committing fraud online", and that "there are a lot of people on his tail and to not take it lightly" 1770924;1516083741;mircea_popescu;did they sound like butthurt trannies ? 1770925;1516083820;ben_vulpes;couldn't tell ya, came as a transcript 1770926;1516083842;ben_vulpes;'tis the obvious one, innit? 1770927;1516083843;mircea_popescu;trinque i recommend the 800g porterhouse! point bleu, with maybe the artichoke or the eggplant thingee. 1770928;1516083880;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes on the topic of "isn't it incredible how much work imbecile is willing to put into imbecillity", let's consider this thing from asciilifeform 's earlier link : 1770929;1516083927;mircea_popescu;"Want to buy some 486 boards?" "What price?" "If you take 100 pieces, $76." "OK. What chipset are they?" "What chipset would you like?" 1770930;1516083927;mircea_popescu;No kidding. That is exactly what went on — we never bought any, but we know people who did, and you could have any chipset you wanted. Well, you could have any chipset label you wanted. We only remember seeing these boards with UMC or PC Chips labels, but apparently you could ask for anything at all: UMC, SiS, Intel, you name it. After all, from the importer's point of view, if it helped close a sale for 500 motherboards, h 1770931;1516083927;mircea_popescu;ow much did it cost to get some sticky labels printed up? 1770932;1516083994;ben_vulpes;whoever it was managed to get some identifying bits right and others insultingly wrong 1770933;1516083995;mircea_popescu;so now... you sell 500 boards for 76 bux each, that's $3800! if the margin on that shit is 2% you're doing fucking great, so the whole charade was organised for a whopping $75! which is half what a fucking steak costs. 1770934;1516084013;mircea_popescu;somewhere there was a fucktard painting stickers for biosen in order to make 75 bux. who ? 1770935;1516084027;mircea_popescu;the same sort of fucktard who goes around being a "woman in tech [journalism]" and so forth. 1770936;1516084030;mircea_popescu;why ? 1770937;1516084079;mircea_popescu;cuz apparently fucktard getting to pretend he's on top of things is worth ~infinity to the fucktard in question. 1770938;1516084154;trinque;bahaha, fucktard in ben_vulpes' case actually thought to itself "I AM CALLING YOUR MOTHER!" 1770939;1516084169;ben_vulpes;ohey here's the audio 1770940;1516084201;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. 1770941;1516084216;ben_vulpes;dag if that is actually the trap in q i r astonish 1770942;1516084276;trinque;life's tough when you're one "nuh uh" from a mental breakdown. 1770943;1516084345;mircea_popescu;hey, pay your taxes so tranny can go around doing heroin / attention whore / nubbins in approximately equal cycles all over the place! 1770944;1516084365;mircea_popescu;concern trolling is a legitimate social contribution! almost as good as childbearing! 1770945;1516084624;ben_vulpes;unfortunately, only trolling of the concerned and bearing the lords' children are meaningful contributions. 1770946;1516084911;mircea_popescu;i'm vaguely curious how this'll get spun once it's the basis for "you know, trannies are the worst offenders on a per capita basis when it comes to online harassment" 1770947;1516084959;mircea_popescu;the logical continuation of http://trilema.com/2015/online-its-the-women-that-rape/ 1770948;1516085049;ben_vulpes;ah hey and there are the attempts to suborn what husks of social media profiles i have kicking around 1770949;1516085113;mircea_popescu;im starting to feel neglected. 1770950;1516085805;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/were-you-looking-for-me << CH - Were you looking for me? 1770951;1516085828;ben_vulpes;well whomever it was managed to blow FZ_IDiv clear out of my head so i guess it's time to go for a run 1770952;1516085853;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes broken link thar. 1770953;1516085878;mircea_popescu;holy shit we're back to "mirceau" ? what the everloving ? 1770954;1516085882;mircea_popescu;!#s "mirceau" 1770955;1516085882;a111;53 results for "\"mirceau\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22mirceau%22 1770956;1516086235;ben_vulpes;ah ty mircea_popescu 1770957;1516086342;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the whole transcript is a link 1770958;1516086376;mircea_popescu;a there it is. 1770959;1516086461;mircea_popescu;hm. why does tranny sound like a diner waitress ? 1770960;1516086547;mircea_popescu;hey, remember the days back when if you wanted to chuckle at this sort of inept bullshit you had to like... figure out what domain is encyclopedia dramatica at this week, and dive in ? 1770961;1516086560;*;mircea_popescu likes this future of self-delivery lulz-mein. 1770962;1516086561;ben_vulpes;bad impersonation of a fed? 1770963;1516086591;ben_vulpes;"todays lunch special at vulpes' budget gigglestore, lulz-mein!" 1770964;1516086618;*;ben_vulpes bbl, flopping meat through space 1770965;1516086740;trinque;I'm confused; is "the right thing" the two bitcents? 1770966;1516086759;trinque;in other opaque kids today, I watched some of the black mirror, that iirc mircea_popescu hated. what garbage. 1770967;1516086895;mircea_popescu;there was a mediocre one, something with riding bikes for social media gold. 1770968;1516086931;mircea_popescu;the rest... 1770969;1516087034;trinque;whole thing begs you to believe socialism will last long enough to create that fat lesswrong pig's basilisk nightmares 1770970;1516087080;trinque;then right, invites you to be pissed on because "we all use twitter" or something. 1770971;1516087104;mircea_popescu;is this the one where future people are so personally invested in the comings and goings of dumbest generation narcissists they build time machine just to go bitchslap them retrospectively ? 1770972;1516087233;trinque;your own, personal machine superintelligence 1770973;1516087263;mircea_popescu;"it doesn't like you, not really, but it still sticks around to torture you!" 1770974;1516087273;trinque;that's about it; only "plots" written today are exactly the anal child as seen on trilema 1770975;1516087286;mircea_popescu;dissolution of fambly totally worked for all these independent career journawhores. 1770976;1516089029;ben_vulpes;"i have no mouth and i must scream"? 1770977;1516089034;ben_vulpes;that was a good one 1770978;1516089046;ben_vulpes;turns out, garden variety reputational blackmail scam 1770979;1516089071;ben_vulpes;deets forthcoming, gotta shower first 1770980;1516093145;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/the-thot-plickens-or-i-r-a-cryptocurrency-scamzor << CH - The thot plickens (or: I r a cryptocurrency scamzor!) 1770981;1516105705;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770950 <<< bwahahaha this is comedy gold, ben_vulpes. Perhaps was hoping you Mother would what, apply a beating? 1770982;1516105705;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 06:56 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/were-you-looking-for-me << CH - Were you looking for me? 1770983;1516105769;shinohai;More beatings, in it's case. might have prevented this mental illness. 1770984;1516105826;shinohai;!~calc 0.00000066 * 500000 1770985;1516105827;jhvh1;shinohai: 0.00000066 * 500000 = 0.33 1770986;1516105844;shinohai;oh wait, shift that a decimal to the right. 1770987;1516108825;ave1; I finally had some time to update the musl gnat build-script, write-up and download here: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl/ 1770988;1516108855;ave1;Note that this builds adacore 2016 release (also build gprbuild) 1770989;1516109182;shinohai;Neat ave1 .... will read 1770990;1516113432;shinohai;!!up bitleaks 1770991;1516113433;deedbot;bitleaks voiced for 30 minutes. 1770992;1516114434;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1770993;1516114454;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11943.52, vol: 25316.31249812 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11601.0, vol: 85522.95599489 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12024.9, vol: 6147.94750983 | Volume-weighted last average: 11697.3990656 1770994;1516114553;shinohai;Buenas dias BingoBoingo, que hay de bueno? 1770995;1516114600;BingoBoingo;Well, it's very humid today 1770996;1516115052;shinohai;Well I guess that is good. 1770997;1516115102;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in entomology dept, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3NGNP/?raw=true ( cryptome derp blocks archive.is bot nao ) 1770998;1516115237;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770911 << i gotta ask, what's there to 'get' -- it's the same algo as in school book, e.g., hennessey, 'restoring division'; as also seen in knuth vol 2, and goes back to egyptian papyrii 1770999;1516115237;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 05:50 ben_vulpes: okay i get the FZ_IDiv implementation now, that's pretty cool asciilifeform 1771000;1516115514;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770913 << impatience is a sin, apeloyee . ( apparently restatement of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18606 thread ? ) 1771001;1516115514;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 06:15 apeloyee: FFA homework is fun! I'd like to present a homework problem of my own, the following Perfectly Innocent (tm) patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tcvvO/?raw=true . The task is to find a bug WITHOUT running the code (that's cheating, per Dijkstra: " we see to it that the programming language in question has not been implemented on campus so that students are protected from the temptation to... 1771002;1516115590;asciilifeform;what i don't understand is why apeloyee has a problem with 'SP ALWAYS POINTS TO A VALID CELL, MOTHERFUCKERS' rule. 1771003;1516115616;asciilifeform;does he have a micro that is just 4kbit short of a useful ram for doing ffatronics ? and needs to shave that 1 cell ? 1771004;1516115631;asciilifeform;and willing to do so at the expense of obvious correctness ? 1771005;1516115662;asciilifeform;it'd be one thing if the suggested item were 'and here is how to lose the sad always-zero stack cell, AND have SP only ever point to valid cells.' 1771006;1516115668;asciilifeform;THAT -- i'd roll in immediately. 1771007;1516115680;asciilifeform;THIS -- i won't touch. it's worse by far than any xorswap 'rake'. 1771008;1516115713;asciilifeform;and yes his example snippet ~will~ barf. and no i won't spoil the puzzle by saying where and how. and no it is not hard to make 9000 similar examples. 1771009;1516115724;asciilifeform;the whole point of ffa is that it is to contain NO such possibility of NO such thing. 1771010;1516115737;asciilifeform;if anyone finds so much as the smell of one -- i would like to hear about it, asap. 1771011;1516115850;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770914 << this is a classic piece and i recommend for all of the folx here, to read it, if they had not already read it. 1771012;1516115850;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 06:15 apeloyee: ...test their programs." (https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html )) 1771013;1516116050;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770923 << oh hey congrats on having yer own personal ninjashogun, ben_vulpes 1771014;1516116050;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 06:21 ben_vulpes: in other lolz, my mom just got a voicemail from someone claiming that i "seem to be committing fraud online", and that "there are a lot of people on his tail and to not take it lightly" 1771015;1516116198;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770934 << there was that proverb, re how 'stolen meat tastes better' 1771016;1516116198;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 06:26 mircea_popescu: somewhere there was a fucktard painting stickers for biosen in order to make 75 bux. who ? 1771017;1516116203;asciilifeform;!#s while you sleep 1771018;1516116204;a111;42 results for "while you sleep", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=while%20you%20sleep 1771019;1516116206;asciilifeform;^ see also. 1771020;1516116265;asciilifeform;notion being, he made that 75 'without working', moar emotional 'bang' from it than from 75k from dayjob 1771021;1516116335;asciilifeform;let's say, items iv + v from mircea_popescu's http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo article. 1771022;1516116405;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770950 << what i dunget is why ben_vulpes was the lucky one 1771023;1516116405;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 06:56 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/were-you-looking-for-me << CH - Were you looking for me? 1771024;1516116410;asciilifeform;thread was, what, 5+ people 1771025;1516116426;asciilifeform;none of whom, iirc, substantially disagreed 1771026;1516116515;asciilifeform;though this reminds me, this episode is a good illustration of one point where i disagree with mircea_popescu re the gutter -- i do not want the gutter or its inhabitants who cannot come out of it on their own power, for anything whatsoever. they bring with them the stench, and it never really washes off. 1771027;1516116626;asciilifeform;i do not, i will confess, grasp, for what anybody needs the indiancandies, the 'pirate radio' imbeciles, the trannies, any of the various scum. none of the functional people here were ever any of these things. they are not the larval form of anything worthwhile. 1771028;1516116681;asciilifeform;imho, the reddit-outreaches or whatever process resulted in the recent influx of these -- is misguided. let the functional djbs come -- or not come. 1771029;1516116748;asciilifeform;!#s salvation of the drowning 1771030;1516116749;a111;9 results for "salvation of the drowning", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=salvation%20of%20the%20drowning 1771031;1516116751;asciilifeform;^ see also. 1771032;1516116833;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770987 << this is pretty great work, ave1 . hey trinque , are you equipped with a working musltronic system, to try this recipe ? 1771033;1516116833;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 13:20 ave1: I finally had some time to update the musl gnat build-script, write-up and download here: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl/ 1771034;1516116851;asciilifeform;( unfortunately asciilifeform currently is not ) 1771035;1516116954;trinque;no sig from ave1 on his tarball, so neh 1771036;1516116977;trinque;also 404 on tarball, lol 1771037;1516116991;trinque;ave1: pls to remedy the above and I'll test this 1771038;1516117087;trinque;oh, I see how the link is broken 1771039;1516117115;trinque;still needs a sig, but luckily I can read 1771040;1516117151;asciilifeform;pretty heavy 1771041;1516117218;asciilifeform;wai all of these binutils patches ? really necessary for mere fact of building gnat ?? 1771042;1516117231;asciilifeform;their cumulative mass dwarfs , e.g., trb. 1771043;1516117317;trinque;yeah I dunno I want to digest this in present form. would be nice to know which items came from where in "musl-cross" and which were edited by ave1 1771044;1516117418;asciilifeform;if i had to guess, would guess that they were plucked out of some gentoo ebuilds 1771045;1516117425;asciilifeform;but why guess, let ave1 answer when wakes up. 1771046;1516117910;ave1;I fixed the link, the "gcc-4.9.adacore2016-musl.diff" and "gprbuild-gpl-2017-src-musl.diff" are mine, the others came from musl-cross 1771047;1516118020;ave1;the adacore diff also includes previous 4.9.4 patches for musl 1771048;1516118078;trinque;if you neither sign what you're offering nor offer hashes and links to where you got things, how am I supposed to evaluate whether I want to run this? 1771049;1516118108;trinque;will yes, read, but unsigned, it's an item found by the side of the road 1771050;1516118139;asciilifeform;trinque: gcc , gnat , themselves, also 'from side of the road'. 1771051;1516118146;asciilifeform;any and all versions thereof. 1771052;1516118211;trinque;oh, so you're taking the "unsigned is fine" today? 1771053;1516118215;ave1;trinque, I understand, I will sign the tarball (after removing the diffs that are unused anyway) 1771054;1516118238;trinque;ave1: cool; if nothing else, I know I got what you meant to send 1771055;1516118249;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770890 << to be clear, the idea here is that you pick up the extant eulora client, gut it of the current eulora functionality, put eucrypt in there and proceed to implement your idea. this way you have a proved-to-cross-compile platform to start from. 1771056;1516118249;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 03:18 esthlos: I can imagine it being very cool in eulora. mpi in js sounds hairy 1771057;1516118249;mircea_popescu;the perceived alternative, where you code against "the browser" may appear "easier" and "normal" in the sense of http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/ ie "what everyone does", but if you sit down and make the comparison chart it becomes evident what a horrid solution it is. 1771058;1516118250;mircea_popescu;in the first place, what fucking browser, they're multiple, and closed turd vendor crap pushed by utter pantsuit like mozilla, a sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770138 samovar. in the second place, the interface is TERRIBLE, and i don't just mean "what javascript" but also "what ssl, what pki, what dns, what the fuck". and then "what html soup, why did it crash, holy hell why does it leak secret data" and on and ON 1771059;1516118250;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 03:56 mircea_popescu: if your iq is over 90, going to work for google is the morally and economically wrong thing to do. 1771060;1516118253;mircea_popescu; AND ON. 1771061;1516118266;*;mircea_popescu waves 1771062;1516118273;asciilifeform;trinque: first step is to genesis a gnat. ~then~ patches... a la trb 1771063;1516118278;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu ! 1771064;1516118321;*;mircea_popescu can't believe just how utterly shitty his 2015 spec is. anyone read that thing recently ? please don't, i'm ashamed. 1771065;1516118351;asciilifeform;which one mircea_popescu 1771066;1516118368;asciilifeform;the pgp bbs item ? 1771067;1516118372;mircea_popescu;the thing i linked him to, yes. 1771068;1516118396;asciilifeform;i'll confess that it made no sense to me then, and same now. browser ought to be buried, not nursed along. 1771069;1516118411;mircea_popescu;terrible. of course, the more flattering converse way to put it is "omfg i can't believe how much the republic grew in a coupla years". 1771070;1516118418;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's what i just said! 1771071;1516118422;asciilifeform;aaha 1771072;1516118433;asciilifeform;hey, recall how asciilifeform tried to resurrect gpg, cut out the 'good part'... 1771073;1516118440;asciilifeform;even turn it into an iron box 1771074;1516118448;mircea_popescu;i do. 1771075;1516118448;asciilifeform;similarly dead end. 1771076;1516118489;mircea_popescu;but yes, the browser was a terrible fucking idea. no wonder everyone ended up with "Browsers" in their "computer for dumbasses", the alternative was what, irc client ? that was not nearly as dumb. 1771077;1516118489;shinohai;http://archive.is/pU5zY <<< "Microsoft was faced with 8 (eight!)* new vulnerabilities in Equation Editor reported after their manual patch, they gave up on the idea of continuing manual support for it." 1771078;1516118498;mircea_popescu;consumer always gets the sharpest stick up its ass. 1771079;1516118683;mircea_popescu;"It is a well-known fact that Illuminati consist of Multi Millionaires, Billionaires who have major influence regarding most global affairs, including the planning of a New World Order." << poor nigerians got left outta da loop. it's all billionaires nowadays yo. 1771080;1516118741;asciilifeform;btw on subj of 'illuminatists', ran across https://archive.is/1O15U lulgem recently. 1771081;1516118781;asciilifeform;asciilifeform has wondered whether astana were ever on mircea_popescu's 'cities list' 1771082;1516118819;*;asciilifeform has not been there. 1771083;1516118834;mircea_popescu;eh, i don't like the steppes. too... much space. 1771084;1516118849;asciilifeform;but naively, and from distant perch, it seems like a '10/10', no 'anticorruption' derpery, usg sits on a short leash, pretty gurlz 1771085;1516118873;mircea_popescu;eh, this is very naive. "pretty gurlz" only in the sense of trading with the mongol horde after it combed the rural shithole for the cream. 1771086;1516118891;mircea_popescu;which... afaik dun exist. only way i'd go there is if the russians invaded a decade ago and place was run by vory now. 1771087;1516118904;asciilifeform;i thought that's exactly how it was ? 1771088;1516118922;mircea_popescu;afaik it's just the local retards doing their local retard things. 1771089;1516118969;mircea_popescu;also, usg not nearly on as short a leash as you imagine. you judge by lack of antibodies, which is how most viral infections are measured, but think -- another reason why no antibodies is available...\ 1771090;1516118999;*;asciilifeform knows approx as much re what happens in astana, as re on mars. 1771091;1516119009;mircea_popescu;i'm not much better. 1771092;1516119031;asciilifeform;i'm tempted to go, simply to find out. 1771093;1516119034;asciilifeform;but arse longa... 1771094;1516119049;mircea_popescu;anyway, iirc they even had a "camp for whores that picked the wrong dickheads" there. 1771095;1516119087;*;asciilifeform has been tempted to go ever since reading http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/CHECHILO/bajkonur.txt yearz ago 1771096;1516119101;mircea_popescu;so go, what's in a going. or send the pet. 1771097;1516119103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they did ! 1771098;1516119711;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771077 << i misread, 'equation group', lel 1771099;1516119711;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 16:01 shinohai: http://archive.is/pU5zY <<< "Microsoft was faced with 8 (eight!)* new vulnerabilities in Equation Editor reported after their manual patch, they gave up on the idea of continuing manual support for it." 1771100;1516119759;mircea_popescu;nah they had a "you don't need tex" thing 1771101;1516119776;asciilifeform;iirc it was eventually merged into msword etc 1771102;1516119792;shinohai;Somewhere, someone is preparing an epidemic of ransomware to launch against users of this turd. 1771103;1516119811;mircea_popescu;shinohai maybe not, they're all poor & stupid mathematicians. 1771104;1516119832;mircea_popescu;!~calc 50000 * 0.008127 1771105;1516119833;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 50000 * 0.008127 = 406.35 1771106;1516119833;asciilifeform;i've yet to run across a maths type who ever touched it 1771107;1516119887;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform poor & stupid. i can't shake the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767798 ; consider that you've not met either satoshi nor the other dood there discussed ; and not for lack of specifically trying. 1771108;1516119887;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 20:13 mircea_popescu: "# We use c=0.005 which has been experimentally found to be optimal in processing time for common PC under MS Windows and values of k of practical interest. A different c value may be desirable for use in different computing environments." << check it out asciilifeform ! IT IS SATOSHI ALL OVER AGAIN. why. WHY!!! 1771109;1516119919;mircea_popescu;so yes, there's a group, of size unknown, composed of poor and stupid mathematicians, who do idiotic things like write bitcoin for windows, write gnupg in python, etcetera. 1771110;1516119922;asciilifeform;i ~have~ met plenty of biologists, chemists, etc. who used. 1771111;1516119936;asciilifeform;'excel' also. is king, among these. 1771112;1516119952;mircea_popescu;"it can do my calculations for me. what else can do calculations ?!?!" 1771113;1516119964;mircea_popescu;i'm like... holy fuck. the computer does nothing else, ye ninny. 1771114;1516119971;asciilifeform;the maths folk, they write longhand, and order grad student slave to texify. 1771115;1516119995;asciilifeform;( there is naught else , aside from teaching duty, for slave, no bottles to wash in maths dept ) 1771116;1516120087;shinohai;http://cascadianhacker.com/the-thot-plickens-or-i-r-a-cryptocurrency-scamzor <<< http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/erliek.jpg 1771117;1516120098;asciilifeform;bitcoin, gpg, show every symptom of authorship by programmertards, rather than academitards -- quite different types of 'shambling walker', as far apart as typhoids and lepers 1771118;1516120150;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this may be true ; not much my experience, but then again i never spent much time in either hospital. 1771119;1516120274;asciilifeform;the dijkstra piece linked earlier, btw, is interesting in re subj of 'mathstards' 1771120;1516120348;asciilifeform;'the vast majority of the mathematical community has never challenged its tacit assumption that doing mathematics will remain very much the same type of mental activity it has always been: new topics will come, flourish, and go as they have done in the past, but, the human brain being what it is, our ways of teaching, learning, and understanding mathematics, of problem solving, and of mathematical discovery will remain pretty much th 1771121;1516120348;asciilifeform;e same...' 1771122;1516120406;mircea_popescu;this is a major problem ; i'm sure most of them are invested in this stability above all else. 1771123;1516120429;asciilifeform;dijkstra's -- imho well-founded -- pov was that computer became the domain of the half-educated, the hucksters, and the miscellaneous scum, because what passed for thinking people, ~surrendered~ it to them 1771124;1516120445;mircea_popescu;"i went into math so as not to have to do this damn it, if i wanted lab equipment in the house i'd have gone into physics" was very much heard by me with own ears 2-3 decades ago. 1771125;1516120460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, republican doctrine holds exactly same. 1771126;1516120472;asciilifeform;same which 1771127;1516120498;mircea_popescu;"computer became the domain of the half-educated, the hucksters, and the miscellaneous scum, because what passed for thinking people, ~surrendered~ it to them" 1771128;1516120503;asciilifeform;aa 1771129;1516120509;asciilifeform;well yes. given as it's... tru 1771130;1516120559;mircea_popescu;aha. 1771131;1516120591;asciilifeform;i suspect that this disease goes right back to the 'omfg, Troo Thinker can't work with HANDS, like SLAVES! do' greeks. 1771132;1516120608;mircea_popescu;course, as per tmsr this is not limited to computers, either. "women are bitter and unhappy because you threw away the leash and government is shiot because they're stuck doing without you. now come off it." 1771133;1516120641;*;mircea_popescu is starting to like this shiot typographic portmanteau of shot and shit. literally, government is in fact shiot. 1771134;1516120660;asciilifeform;i thought that was 'shoit' 1771135;1516120885;mircea_popescu;hm. 1771136;1516120910;mircea_popescu;but i comes before o in both alphabet and keyboard ? 1771137;1516120921;mircea_popescu;check it out, we now have a grammar for misspellings ;/ 1771138;1516120935;asciilifeform;depends on whether we wanna be irish or scots, lol 1771139;1516120940;asciilifeform;oi vs io.. 1771140;1516120976;*;asciilifeform for some reason recalls the 'etaoin shrdlu' kbd 1771141;1516121082;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770914 << classic or not classic, the wreckers set it so the bot no longer archives it. orig : https://archive.is/https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html 1771142;1516121082;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 06:15 apeloyee: ...test their programs." (https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html )) 1771143;1516121085;BingoBoingo;And I have an appointment for residency consideration 1771144;1516121094;mircea_popescu;it could sit there undisturbed for half a decade, then got fucked in the past half year. 1771145;1516121106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rPIyd/?raw=true << here . 1771146;1516121126;asciilifeform;( really oughta grab the rest, similarly , before they become unobtainium ) 1771147;1516121131;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1771148;1516121152;asciilifeform;i have a buncha dead tree, but i dunthink they contain all of dijkstra. 1771149;1516121221;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also loox like the bot did archive ? 1771150;1516121238;asciilifeform;afaik it does not rearchive the already-archived ? 1771151;1516121260;asciilifeform;^ lobbes ? 1771152;1516121270;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771020 << yes, that "emotional bang" being exactly the idiocy of "i r independent woman hear me roar" idiocy-of-poverty in http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.608-185.781 (or for that matter http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.0-133.837 , or everywherew else.) 1771153;1516121270;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 15:24 asciilifeform: notion being, he made that 75 'without working', moar emotional 'bang' from it than from 75k from dayjob 1771154;1516121326;mircea_popescu;and speaking of them "nude concrete walls", you know it's evident from the pics of dumb-whore-on-meatmarket-thinking-itself-"domme" (as opposed to the dumb-whore-on-meatmarket-thinking-itself-slave) that they're THE POOREST of the meatmarket set ? 1771155;1516121337;mircea_popescu;even smaller cots, even tinier cells, even dirtier walls, it's something entirely else. 1771156;1516121361;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm moar closely familiar with the male variant, the spammers, misc scammers, halfwit malwarists, etc. who make somewhere below half of what renting a doghouse in ohio costs, but persist 1771157;1516121371;asciilifeform;but prolly similar to mircea_popescu's specimens , fundamentally 1771158;1516121394;mircea_popescu;apparently the gargauni are a major predictor of poverty. who coulda guessed &c. 1771159;1516121401;mircea_popescu;!#s gargauni 1771160;1516121402;a111;8 results for "gargauni", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gargauni 1771161;1516121418;asciilifeform;i dun see the causative arrow's direction as obvious 1771162;1516121431;asciilifeform;why not just as well 'poverty, of gargauni' 1771163;1516121438;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-19#1410463 << a there we go. 1771164;1516121438;a111;Logged on 2016-02-19 21:13 mircea_popescu: discrete, self-reproducing bits of idiocy, chiefly found in young female heads. 1771165;1516121445;asciilifeform;aka cockroaches 1771166;1516121458;asciilifeform;( i dun see how specifically female , they are a universal plague ) 1771167;1516121463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, the whole statement was correlation, causation left to the owner to discern. 1771168;1516121481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform chiefly ~found~. i dun look in male heads. prior to the republic, i only looked with power tools. 1771169;1516121581;asciilifeform;makessense. 1771170;1516121586;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771026 << you don't understand why you want it because you ran into a sane woman, monogamize around and don't procreate. the inescapable gutter, foul as it is, is an absolute requirement for the education of children and young slavegirl. 1771171;1516121586;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 15:28 asciilifeform: though this reminds me, this episode is a good illustration of one point where i disagree with mircea_popescu re the gutter -- i do not want the gutter or its inhabitants who cannot come out of it on their own power, for anything whatsoever. they bring with them the stench, and it never really washes off. 1771172;1516121600;asciilifeform;this is prolly so. 1771173;1516121609;asciilifeform;'phd conveyor' 1771174;1516121626;mircea_popescu;if you had daugthers, or if your girl did the god ordained http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/ you'd know in short ordre why it's needed 1771175;1516121653;mircea_popescu;so jena's "gauntie sara" sells her to your girl rather than sending her to maryland college for pretentious cunts. 1771176;1516121695;mircea_popescu;and for a thousand pesos, ie about 60 bux, ie about a gram of gold give or take. 1771177;1516121709;asciilifeform;also asciilifeform was thinking, su ~had~ 'gutter', was simply implemented somewhat differently 1771178;1516121748;asciilifeform;( the baikonur memoir linked earlier is good picture of how, but so is 9000 other works from the period ) 1771179;1516121753;mircea_popescu;(consider : 4bn females in the world, ~200 tonnes of gold all told. NOT THAT MUCH GOLD AVAILABLE.) 1771180;1516121809;mircea_popescu;a gram for a fanciulla is already two standard deviations from the average of 0.05 1771181;1516121847;asciilifeform;speaking of pierced pretenses, according to orlol ( and i've no way to verify ) a ru tanker is offloading a purchase of lng at boston harbour as we speak. 1771182;1516121851;asciilifeform;despite 'sanctions'. 1771183;1516121864;mircea_popescu;prolly pavillion shenanigans. 1771184;1516121873;asciilifeform;hm? 1771185;1516121892;mircea_popescu;back in the day (80s, but from the practitioners that day never changes, just moves), one of the best livings was "maritime juristidction expert". 1771186;1516121902;mircea_popescu;ie, you tell the people who want to go from x to y what to do to pay least. 1771187;1516121914;mircea_popescu;"and then you fly the belize flag from this to that port, and then..." 1771188;1516121922;mircea_popescu;basically being the pirate's parrot. 1771189;1516121955;*;asciilifeform has nfi whether this is routine, or even +ev, for an item like fully loaded lng tank 1771190;1516121957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, "it's not technically russian, sorry." 1771191;1516121960;asciilifeform;aa. 1771192;1516121965;asciilifeform;prolly it then. 1771193;1516121989;mircea_popescu;people scared by the tax code should review maritime law sometime. 1771194;1516122012;asciilifeform;all 'rule-of-law'-ism eventually converges to maritimetaxcode. 1771195;1516122012;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771145 <-- to download the html and pdfs see --> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VxfkJ/?raw=true 1771196;1516122012;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 16:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rPIyd/?raw=true << here . 1771197;1516122020;asciilifeform;just like all cmachineism eventually converges to koch. 1771198;1516122025;mircea_popescu;im sure. 1771199;1516122036;asciilifeform;elementary ratchet situation. 1771200;1516122054;asciilifeform;ave1: neato. 1771201;1516122135;mircea_popescu;s/$(seq 0 9)/$(seq 0 13)/ ? 1771202;1516122181;ave1;no you'll need to remove a 0 from the prefix url 1771203;1516122183;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, ranges huh. s/$(seq 0 9)/$(seq 00 13)/ 1771204;1516122206;mircea_popescu;iirc they finally fixed this where bash is now a lot more perl-esque -- if you give hint of format in the for declaration it obeys it. 1771205;1516122251;ave1;mine doesn't: echo $(seq 00 13) --> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 1771206;1516122316;mircea_popescu;tsk 1771207;1516122367;mircea_popescu;echo $(seq -f "%02g" 0 13) << old style then 1771208;1516122485;mircea_popescu;(also, let it be pointed out for the benefit of the future noob : the use of xargs with shit from curl is dancing with the wolves. finest way to lose a box.) 1771209;1516122595;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771053 << use the declarative signature styles, there's all sorts of "here's so and so item preserved, signer makes no promise besides identity with item in wild at this time", for orig gnupg, for wordpress, for all sorta crap. 1771210;1516122595;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 15:56 ave1: trinque, I understand, I will sign the tarball (after removing the diffs that are unused anyway) 1771211;1516122677;ave1;any example on how to do this? 1771212;1516122683;mircea_popescu;one sec 1771213;1516122689;ave1;btw: $(seq -w 00 13) 1771214;1516122788;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html << example. 1771215;1516122870;mircea_popescu;ave1 http://deedbot.org/deed-358601-1.txt ; http://deedbot.org/deed-363246-1.txt ; etc 1771216;1516122919;mircea_popescu;his above, too. 1771217;1516122981;ave1;thanks! I get it, and will do 1771218;1516123003;mircea_popescu;cool. 1771219;1516123007;mircea_popescu;!!rated ave1 1771220;1516123007;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated ave1 2 at 2017/07/19 18:58:19 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686605 1771221;1516123022;mircea_popescu;aww was gonna put "fellow bashfictionado" in there but then i got lazy 1771222;1516123063;phf;why not {00..13}? 1771223;1516123085;mircea_popescu;phf dun work on old bash 1771224;1516123096;phf;ah 1771225;1516123143;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes your 'the court' link is malformed 1771226;1516123143;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1771227;1516123169;mircea_popescu;have you noticed what a propensiety for malformed links he has ? 1771228;1516123173;asciilifeform;or hm nm! 1771229;1516123187;asciilifeform;my head, apparently, instead, malformed, link is ok 1771230;1516123533;BingoBoingo; and for a thousand pesos, ie about 60 bux, ie about a gram of gold give or take. << Thousand pesos is ~30 bucks 1771231;1516123569;asciilifeform;which pesos 1771232;1516123578;asciilifeform;there's , what, 15 'pesos' , neh 1771233;1516123607;asciilifeform;( i.e. a 'weight', that is, of silver, sorta how 'pound', or 'ruble', at one point ) 1771234;1516123622;shinohai;PesoCash is the real Peso. (tm) 1771235;1516123632;asciilifeform;or how 'dollar' was once a gold 'thaller' 1771236;1516123667;BingoBoingo; which pesos Argentine or Uruguayan 1771237;1516123709;BingoBoingo;If you have illusions there's a difference between the two try taking Argentine pesos to a cambio 1771238;1516123712;asciilifeform;iirc 100 ar peso ~= 5bux 1771239;1516123715;asciilifeform;(of usa) 1771240;1516123744;asciilifeform;( when i was last there, was ~8 ) 1771241;1516123780;BingoBoingo;Not really anymore. Only if you hit the exact middle of the buy/sell spread. Compra 1.2 Venta 1.8 1771242;1516123807;BingoBoingo;And Argentina has a 1000 peso note now 1771243;1516123821;asciilifeform;1.2 and 1.8 of which, per which ? 1771244;1516123918;BingoBoingo;If you sell an Argentine peso you get 1.2 Uruguayan pesos. To buy Argentine pesos requires 1.8 Uruguayan pesos. 1771245;1516124009;asciilifeform;aa 1771246;1516124019;asciilifeform;i was speaking of usd. 1771247;1516124125;BingoBoingo;USD is a closer spread. Compra 28 Venta 29 1771248;1516124231;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the other pesos. 1771249;1516124241;BingoBoingo;To track spending I just figure 30 pesos to the dollar. But it anycase 100 Argentine pesos is not at all worth 5 USD 1771250;1516124247;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah 1771251;1516124284;mircea_popescu;1000 pesos! 1771252;1516124302;mircea_popescu;and the piece is from 2016, wut can you do. 1771253;1516124320;BingoBoingo;Lul at Argentina's continuing Argentina 1771254;1516124342;asciilifeform;from yesterday's 486 lulz item, others : http://redhill.net.au/b/b-92.html >> '...you could buy almost anything in XT days; this was long before the dead hand of monopoly crushed the innovation and the creativity out of the PC industry. If you can find an old copy of Byte or APC or even Popular Computing, from 1984 say, or even 1989, spend a half-hour reading through the small ads in the back—you will not believe how much choice th 1771255;1516124342;asciilifeform;ere used to be.' 1771256;1516124490;mircea_popescu;aha. 1771257;1516124494;mircea_popescu;i would believe. 1771258;1516124509;asciilifeform;whole site pretty great, from archaeology pov. 1771259;1516124518;mircea_popescu;i was fucking there, what. 1771260;1516124524;asciilifeform;well so was i, lol 1771261;1516124528;asciilifeform;but not errywhere and not all the time. 1771262;1516124573;*;asciilifeform happened across the site when researching vintage components for a dos box that he was building. 1771263;1516124640;asciilifeform;'VLSI, by the way, in amongst their many other products, made chipsets for quite some time. Their last chipset would be one of the very few 75MHz capable Socket 7 designs. Like all the independent chipset makers, their market share would suffer greatly because of Intel's push to extend their CPU near-monopoly into chipsets as well and, unable to compete with Intel on even terms, they stopped trying. VLSI merged with the giant Phillip 1771264;1516124640;asciilifeform;s group in 1999.' 1771265;1516124649;asciilifeform;i did wonder where they went ! 1771266;1516124665;*;asciilifeform had a pretty nifty 486-dx100 , with 'vlsi' bridge. 1771267;1516124668;mircea_popescu;in other gems of the web browser : peltast's why am i dead ; toge production's infectonator ; tactisoft's supermechs ; hoplitegames battle sails 1771268;1516124723;asciilifeform;that 1st one loox neat 1771269;1516124870;phf;methinks next eulora client implementation is going to be browser based 1771270;1516124952;asciilifeform;lol 1771271;1516125009;mircea_popescu;is he trolling me ? 1771272;1516125042;BingoBoingo;Mebbe not, lynx is still a browser 1771273;1516125211;phf;it'll be complete with those goofy looking avatars, that every single ipad/html game seems to like these days 1771274;1516125268;phf;http://www.plusxp.com/wp-content/uploads/jetpack1.jpg 1771275;1516125514;shinohai;Oh God phf .... if it ever comes to that. 1771276;1516125544;shinohai;I like my tattered clothing and bad haircut, thank you very much. 1771277;1516125972;trinque;poor man tore his ethernet cable from teh wall, you bastards!1!! 1771278;1516126281;phf;the amount of can't even created electric disruption in san jose downtown 1771279;1516126392;trinque;holy eMP 1771280;1516126412;asciilifeform;meanwhile, >> http://multicore.ru/index.php?id=146 << in other unobtainiums. 1771281;1516126575;shinohai;I don't trust them, they need stickers on top. 1771282;1516126619;asciilifeform;stickers are for lamerz, they'll laser-engrave Whatever You Like (tm) 1771283;1516126672;asciilifeform;elsewhere : https://ok.ru/video/387389133217 << elbrus 'unboxing film'. 1771284;1516126681;phf;shit, they'll pre-etch the silicon in the next production batch for you 1771285;1516126688;asciilifeform;lol 1771286;1516126713;asciilifeform;^ gotta love the chinese 'multimedia' shit kbd ~included~ in that crate 1771287;1516126736;asciilifeform;( i.e. a ~3500 usd crate ) 1771288;1516126766;trinque;god he's even imitating the valleytard tshirt and jacket. 1771289;1516126776;asciilifeform;and lol is that a... dell monitor 1771290;1516126796;asciilifeform;trinque: i'm watching, as i typically do, without sound card 1771291;1516126934;asciilifeform;there's another film, on that www, where the thing boots. 1771292;1516126939;asciilifeform;into kde/poetteringolade. 1771293;1516127051;phf;yes, but what do you expect? a v-ified FORTH environment? all these people who "wrote tetris into last 10 bytes of telemetry system" have long been put to pasture at naval research center or NIH or ... 1771294;1516127071;asciilifeform;well there ~was~ that altera clone 1771295;1516127089;asciilifeform;( iirc i posted a snapshot of a leaked fragment of docs for it, last yr ) 1771296;1516127129;asciilifeform;and on top of this, the folx 'put to pasture at nih' -- or at least the ones not yet senile -- i suspect at this point are ready to come back 1771297;1516127220;asciilifeform;problem is that there is nowhere to go back, the entire culture that made the '10 bytes of telemetry' is afaik gone. 1771298;1516127243;asciilifeform;what's left , has ~same relation to the original, as current-day egypt to the pharaonic egypt. 1771299;1516127310;asciilifeform;this is the basic problem with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669415 . 1771300;1516127310;a111;Logged on 2017-06-13 02:20 mircea_popescu: it was utterly the case of eg ro revolution. none of the people there wanted "freedom". they were literally pissed off they can't drive over to austrian border and load up the car at the w/e discount shop. 1771301;1516127509;asciilifeform;the 'free choice of freely-choosing free konsoomerz' idiocy baccilus was brought in, and will do its work. 1771302;1516128034;phf;nah, they "fought for freedom" such a long time, it'll literally kill them to admit mistake. what's left of that culture plays charades at roman toga theme new years parties in potomac and praises large kitchen, which is a step up from kitchens of 30 years ago 1771303;1516128145;asciilifeform;i was thinking of current-day ru as the arab-egyptian. but yes. 1771304;1516128252;phf;i wonder if current day ru even talks about "lost knowledge" LoTR style, or it's literally arab egyption "we're best of what could possibly be!1" 1771305;1516128288;asciilifeform;phf: from my admittedly distant perch, loox like some of 1, some of the other. 1771306;1516128354;asciilifeform;oblig: '“Are people starving to death? Or are they sick because they are too fat?” Artisan Quin scratched his beard and thought about that one. “You’re talking of slines, I assume?” Fraa Orolo shrugged. Quin thought that was funny. Unlike Artisan Flec, he was not afraid to laugh out loud. “Sort of both at the same time,” he finally admitted. “Very good,” said Fraa Orolo, in a now we’re getting somewhere tone, and 1771307;1516128354;asciilifeform;glanced at me to make sure I was getting it down.' (tm)(r)('anathem') 1771308;1516128435;phf;da, byli lyudi v nashe vremya, ne to, chto nineshneye plemya: bogatyri -- ne vi! 1771309;1516128442;asciilifeform;lolyes 1771310;1516128463;*;asciilifeform had a spiffy picture book ver of that thing, as a little kid 1771311;1516128521;asciilifeform;'Забил заряд я в пушку туго. И думал: угощу я друга!' etc. 1771312;1516128530;phf;one of many 19th c poems, that i can recite, while standing on a chair (a particular form of grownup entertainment apparently unknown in eslands) 1771313;1516128586;asciilifeform;for n00bz in the audience : poetry recital was good % of total mass of early schooling. 1771314;1516128588;trinque;from the murican side, of the cold warriors I've known, seems like the evil empire served as a surrogate culture for a while. 1771315;1516128602;trinque;when gone, life descends into a sort of neurotic suburban existential break 1771316;1516128611;trinque;I dunno what the equivalent on the RU side was 1771317;1516128627;trinque;but that sweaty guy in the "am tech nerd too" jacket looks familiar 1771318;1516128646;asciilifeform;what culture, lol 1771319;1516128658;trinque;wasn't that my point. 1771320;1516128675;phf;russian cultural center in d.c. still gets a regular influx of 50+ something men in grey suits, who like to talk about good old days of cold war 1771321;1516128683;asciilifeform;in chicago , in the handful of 19th c building that hadn't yet been torn down to make glass idiocies, there are murals. of what the 1890s folx thought were greek muses, mythical heroes, etc. 1771322;1516128697;asciilifeform;they missed what they could remember of actual culture. of europe. 1771323;1516128712;trinque;I say the place had no culture, and he starts arguing with me that it had no culture 1771324;1516128714;trinque;lol 1771325;1516128727;asciilifeform;i was curious specifically re what they instead had, trinque . 1771326;1516128743;trinque;ah, "save the world for democracy" or something 1771327;1516128744;asciilifeform;in the place where normal folx have culture, what organ did they have. 1771328;1516128745;asciilifeform;aa. 1771329;1516128773;trinque;and got "shit, I joined the airforce to be in that gay-ass top gun movie, got instead desk, and military downsizing" 1771330;1516128779;phf;i mentioned to one of these men that i have good ear for accents, at which point he proceeded to immitate, without any comedic manerisms, roughly 10-20 accents along the dc<->baltimore line. 1771331;1516128812;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771151 << bot snarfs, submits, and downloads (at least attempts to) any and all links that are dropped here, even if dropped previously 1771332;1516128812;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 16:47 asciilifeform: ^ lobbes ? 1771333;1516128821;trinque;asciilifeform: had only "not others" and when it had decent "others" did better 1771334;1516128838;lobbes;!Qsarchive https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html 1771335;1516128838;lobbesbot;3 results for "https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html&sortby= 1771336;1516128842;lobbes;^^ e.g. took a bit longer than an hour for those to appear in the searchable db but they show now 1771337;1516128851;asciilifeform;ah hm. 1771338;1516128877;phf;(err, dc<->boston line, of course) 1771339;1516128884;*;trinque has a blood relation he can tell to this day laments that he didn't get to dogfight migs 1771340;1516128937;trinque;it's possible ww3 might've almost made a country out of USA if it'd been fought in late 80s, and survived 1771341;1516129249;phf;possibly only as a side effect of general mobilization. as it stands the divide between texan boys who got to help their buddies keep their guts inside ied torn bellies and the coastal "intelligentsia" has only grown and has only made this country weaker 1771342;1516129338;trinque;aha 1771343;1516129347;asciilifeform;phf: and them texas bois, every bit as ready to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654 afaik , as ever. 1771344;1516129347;a111;Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ? 1771345;1516129681;trinque;or they'll circumambulate a shitty statue with dicks in hand, hoping this is the ritual that calls meaning down from god 1771346;1516129685;asciilifeform;there's a reason why the folx coming back from the various vietnams, come back with dope habits, instead of menschkeit , phf 1771347;1516129759;asciilifeform;'how didja lose that leg, grandfather?' 'fighting for walmart' 1771348;1516129856;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc it was naggum who had a piece re how folx with trauma, do not necessarily or even often learn anything useful from said trauma 1771349;1516129866;asciilifeform;and instead will lock on to happenstance 1771350;1516129873;asciilifeform;'lucky shirt saved me' 1771351;1516129888;asciilifeform;know how many 'lucky bibles' from both world wars ? 1771352;1516129919;asciilifeform;( granted, there is not always anything useful ~to~ be learned. ) 1771353;1516129952;trinque;oh sure. the statue, as per mircea_popescu's definition of art, is a cargo-cultism where the sovereign that put it there is unknown, and dead. 1771354;1516129973;asciilifeform;very often known 1771355;1516130010;asciilifeform;and sometimes statue plays same role but 'with minus sign', e.g. in the post-su lands they ~saved~ some lenins, so as to mutilate/tear down in measured doses later , when wanting to give some extra suction treat to western cock 1771356;1516130049;asciilifeform;every year i hear about, e.g., 'lenin knocked down in warsaw' -- always gotta wonder 'WHERE? was it hiding all of this time?!' 1771357;1516130063;trinque;heh, brought out for just this occasion 1771358;1516130077;asciilifeform;i can't help but picture that eventually they will have to cast ~new~ lenins. 1771359;1516130080;asciilifeform;so as to continue this. 1771360;1516130098;asciilifeform;( or perhaps the destroyed ones, are not really melted, they are stored for this ritual somewhere ) 1771361;1516130207;phf;there's an east germany company that still produces lenins for just such occassions. bulk of their orders is arab millionaires and north-eastern u.s. college towns, but sometimes they get an order from the city of warsaw and then honest german craftsmen take special pride in their work, put little creases into construction that help with toppling, special pliant alloys, etc. 1771362;1516130232;asciilifeform;iirc the one in nyc was recently stolen 1771363;1516130311;asciilifeform;'мертвого льва может пнуть даже осел' (tm)(r)(folk whizzdom) 1771364;1516130313;phf;see, that little vignette could be used to feed a berlin artist for a year, government grants to develop that idea into full blown art projects. "factory visit" documentaries, interviews with the workers, etc. got bless the nodic system 1771365;1516130349;asciilifeform;somebody is reading and hands itching as we speak, aha. 1771366;1516130408;phf;re fighting for walmart, dolly parton apparently did a pretty bad rendition of the ballad of the green beret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-pnAPcSN4 1771367;1516130435;Covale`;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771356 - https://i.imgur.com/Vb7udEC.jpg 1771368;1516130435;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 19:14 asciilifeform: every year i hear about, e.g., 'lenin knocked down in warsaw' -- always gotta wonder 'WHERE? was it hiding all of this time?!' 1771369;1516130497;asciilifeform;lol 1771370;1516130543;asciilifeform;when i was walking around in timis, wondered whether some of those boarded-up cellars contained a lenin. 1771371;1516130565;asciilifeform;( prolly not, as metallists would inevitably get to him, like ants get to a corpse in the forest. but just. possibly. one. somewhere ) 1771372;1516130678;Covale`;asciilifeform, I don´t think we had any Lenins there, as far as I know 1771373;1516130719;phf;my country house was nearby zvezdny gorodok, so lots of "skladi" (open air storage facilities, mostly for r&d and military). obviously we used to climb over and explore mounds and mounds of electronics parts and old decomitioned army equipment, etc. but every once in a while we'lll come acros a statue of lenin 1771374;1516130726;Covale`;but there is one here apparently: ¨Lenin head statue at the top of Lenin Peak, Pamir Mountains, Kyrgyzstan¨ - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQJGU7dW0AMybIY.jpg 1771375;1516130777;phf;we had a lofty plan to steal the head of lenin from one of those skladi, but being 12 at the time, we failed to actually procure a saw large enough to make a dent 1771376;1516130817;asciilifeform;phf so narrowly missed such great career as a metallist, i had nfi! 1771377;1516130907;phf;why missed! my first entry into electronics was when my grandpa in his very particular way completely dismissed the value of our electronics loot by saying "yes, but how many of these components actually worked" and then leaving a tester 1771378;1516130985;phf;(the answer is that about %10 of shit we would pick up could be desoldered and used, though of course we didn't have any use for it. i suppose metalist career could've started if we started selling what we recovered) 1771379;1516131006;asciilifeform;pulling components from su appliances was a bitch: that red varnish 1771380;1516131019;asciilifeform;at least as a kid, i had no way of stripping it, aside from bare hands/knife 1771381;1516131030;*;phf also has a very visceral understanding of "roadside picnic" 1771382;1516131114;asciilifeform;postcollapse americans are in for some rude surprises : ~0 of the electro-crapola they surround themselves with, is worth ~anything, either as reuse, or salvage 1771383;1516131150;asciilifeform;( possibly by the tonne , worth ~something . but not +ev to transport anywhere. ) 1771384;1516131164;phf;a lot of stuff we'd find, particularly inside buildings would not even require stripping. boxes of resistors and capacitors, various cool bits like variable resistors.. 1771385;1516131177;asciilifeform;consider how many items in current-day american shop even contain a discrete resistor. 1771386;1516131202;Covale`;dark days ahead, eh ? 1771387;1516131203;asciilifeform;and yes repairable machinery will create stockpiles of useful parts. 1771388;1516131276;asciilifeform;even eminently-repairable items , no longer repairable in practice in usa, unless you do it with own hands 1771389;1516131296;asciilifeform;for instance, at one time there were shops where you could take a e.g. lappy battery pack and they would saw it open, replace cells. 1771390;1516131311;asciilifeform;today i gotta do this with own hands. because nobody else will, for any money. 1771391;1516131389;asciilifeform;and this is while i can still get the 'universal' cylindrical cells. they will, i expect, disappear, at some point. 1771392;1516131402;asciilifeform;( new konsoomer crapola uses custom, per-device prismatics ) 1771393;1516131447;phf;when i started to apple there was an odd network of apple repair shops, that were completely warranty voiding, but they could do non-trivial operations on a mac (in fact with a few exceptions the owners were knowledgable tinkerers ready and willing to chat about finer points of electronics hackery), the network has been completely destroyed by the bait and switch of "authorization" that apple pulled right after they started the whole apple store thing. 1771394;1516131451;asciilifeform;a good % of the 'planned obsolescence' racket is enforced using batteryism. 1771395;1516131492;asciilifeform;phf: not much room to work in, any moar, either -- new crapple iron is aluminum box with 2 custom chips, a custom prismatic li-po cell, and buncha epoxy 1771396;1516131536;phf;right 1771397;1516131554;asciilifeform;iirc not even lcd in recent ipnoje, in any meaningful sense replaceable 1771398;1516131558;asciilifeform;( it's part of the pcb ) 1771399;1516131577;asciilifeform;thing is as reusable as a tampax. 1771400;1516131723;phf;well, you know those apocryphal stories of schengenese hand soldering chips on iphone boards 1771401;1516131745;asciilifeform;last i saw one, it had 0 exposed or exposable contacts at all. 1771402;1516131792;phf;doesn't mean you can't cut off at stem with a blade, solder back "levsha" style :> 1771403;1516131805;asciilifeform;the 1 item folx do, is to pull off the flashroms, you can even buy a ready reader for'em nao. but only turdtroid, crapple has weird proprietary all-in-1 , for which nuffin is (publicly) available at all. 1771404;1516131830;asciilifeform;lol stem 1771405;1516131869;phf;anyway, i did recently replace an iphone (6?) screen, i mean, as far as legoes go that is 6/10. i suspect people who do that for living can do it in 1/10 of time 1771406;1516131870;asciilifeform;i remember doing ( sometimes successful, more often not ) homebrew re-reflow-of-bad-bga tho. 1771407;1516131903;asciilifeform;iirc 6 was the last where it came off. ( could be wrong tho ) 1771408;1516131968;asciilifeform;( re bga -- http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-07#1229690 & elsewhere ) 1771409;1516131968;a111;Logged on 2015-08-07 23:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229616 << laugh, but this is happening. esp. concerning gpu: several whole generations of nvidia products suffer from the dreaded bga ball defect, and have strictly limited lifespan. 1771410;1516131986;asciilifeform;blame pb-free-ism. 1771411;1516132007;asciilifeform;!#s nvidia bga 1771412;1516132008;a111;5 results for "nvidia bga", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nvidia%20bga 1771413;1516132104;phf;yeah, i think i gotta do that.. my workhorse machine finally died at motherboard (2011 mac, colleges sighed existential relief "finally you can upgrade like a normal human being", not so fast!) 1771414;1516132141;asciilifeform;pro tip : dun use the folx recipe with the paint strip gun and kitchen foil. it dun work. 1771415;1516132161;phf;which i suspect is a "bga ball defect" on the secondary video card 1771416;1516132224;asciilifeform;( the 'real deal' tool is the ir lamp thing, looks a bit like a photo enlarger, with pre-heat bed underneath. i dun have one. i only have the hot air hose. which relies on your bare hands and ir thermometer to follow reflow curve, which is why my success rate is 20-30% , i suspect ) 1771417;1516132602;phf;i actually found a lab that repairs apple motherboards of certain vintage, cheap 1771418;1516132701;asciilifeform;whether 'cheap' or not, depends on what you get, neh 1771419;1516132712;asciilifeform;i had one such repaired, it lived <6mo. 1771420;1516132761;phf;correct, the exercise is more of a "zen and the art of motorcycle" than anything else 1771421;1516132846;asciilifeform;i'm not even fully convinced that the bga issue did not mask a more deliberate funsurprise, with e.g. a specially crafted slowly-melting 'planned obsolescent' fuse on the die, or the like. 1771422;1516132893;*;phf afk 1771423;1516133004;asciilifeform;( crapple's ~entire activity, for past ~20yrs, added up to work to ensure that you cannot use the crapple box you were happy with in 2002, today . ) 1771424;1516133018;asciilifeform;Because It Would Be Wrong (tm). 1771425;1516133039;asciilifeform;even box circa 2010, will NOT 'sync' with current-day ipnoje, for instance. For Reasons. 1771426;1516133087;asciilifeform;'innovation'. 1771427;1516133104;asciilifeform;or, sorry, 'ingenuity'. as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770905 . 1771428;1516133104;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 04:56 mircea_popescu: buffettism through and through, "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?" 1771429;1516134155;diana_coman;asciilifeform, lenins hiding in plain sight e.g. http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Lenin-copy.jpg 1771430;1516134168;diana_coman;see flag for big location clue 1771431;1516135041;asciilifeform;the obvious flag 1771432;1516135045;asciilifeform;( belorussia ) 1771433;1516135066;asciilifeform;which yes iirc is the 'record holder' re lenins still standing 1771434;1516135351;Covale`;their president also looks faboulous on a cup: https://calinhera.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cana-basescu-detaliu-e1438844802883.jpg 1771435;1516135749;Covale`;and there´s a Lenin there too, on the left: https://calinhera.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cana-basescu1.jpg 1771436;1516135848;asciilifeform;lol, next to.. what is that? barney ? 1771437;1516135956;Covale`;no idea. but he´s in good company :) 1771438;1516136453;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in chinese plagiarisms, https://hk.saowen.com/a/9d756a6dbc463ecb1fef2d16f2299a6ee1acc8b22151900d44d3db846cbdb488 1771439;1516136465;asciilifeform;(spoiler : ^ == ffa ch4 ) 1771440;1516136646;shinohai;lmao 1771441;1516137056;lobbes;What, I wonder, is the point of such plagiarisms. The links still link to original item on Loper-os; who are they trying to fool? Googlebots mebbe? 1771442;1516137327;asciilifeform;nfi 1771443;1516137637;shinohai;I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese "Luckgoats" or something start showing up, some factory bought one of danielpbarron 's units on ebay and clones. 1771444;1516138473;trinque;lobbes: yes, they crawl for "legitimate content" with good search ranking, steal, put ads next to it 1771445;1516139086;phf;in further fare news, "SBCL 1.4.3 ships with ASDF 3.3.1, and a number of Quicklisp projects have build problems as a result. Linedit, mgl, micmac, cl-string-match, and others are affected." 1771446;1516139460;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766817 << i've been using http://pelulamu.net/unscii/ 1771447;1516139460;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 01:19 mircea_popescu: meh, too thin and sans. 1771448;1516139499;phf;but unfortunately doesn't work (i've not tried the ttf one, but i suspect it'll render like shit) on those fancy high definition flat screens kids use these days 1771449;1516139733;ben_vulpes;tranny has moved on to calling $work lines 1771450;1516139783;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lol! and said what ? 1771451;1516139813;ben_vulpes;that i am a very shady character! and that i have a lot of venmo accounts! and that i have stolen cryptocurrencies ("of all things!") from innocent people! 1771452;1516139822;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in photo- gadget- reviews : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767833 >>> became >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/seiko.jpg 1771453;1516139822;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 20:29 asciilifeform: in other oldies, seiko's 'DPU414' thermal printer, can be had for year nao 1771533;1516145418;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771445 << what i dun get, is why anybody puts up with the liquishit == fork asdf, send the french tard packing; bang! magick! no moar breakages 1771534;1516145418;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 21:44 phf: in further fare news, "SBCL 1.4.3 ships with ASDF 3.3.1, and a number of Quicklisp projects have build problems as a result. Linedit, mgl, micmac, cl-string-match, and others are affected." 1771535;1516145688;asciilifeform;phf: re suspend-to-ram -- 1 of the things i still dunget, is why there isn't simply a compartment for sd card in the back of the box ( any of'em, old or new ). let's say after lid closed for 10min, it'd write the ram to the sd. if battery alive -- does nothing. but if dies, then when dc plug reinserted, load back from sd. 1771536;1516145703;asciilifeform;this'd be quite trivial to implement, but afaik nobody has. 1771537;1516145753;asciilifeform;( why no one has ? because , elementarily , lemon market. ) 1771538;1516145834;asciilifeform;... or use libretto system ( lid-close triggers suspend-to-ram; power button -- suspend to hdd ) 1771539;1516145917;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771521 << did any of it make sense ? 1771540;1516145917;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 22:48 ben_vulpes: nattered on to itself for 3 minutes uninterrupted; i think it found a supply of uppers 1771541;1516145996;asciilifeform;g 1771542;1516145998;asciilifeform;err 1771543;1516146010;asciilifeform;nm wrong term 1771544;1516146049;ben_vulpes;threats of "grand larceny", misc. "facts about you" that were categorically wrong (eg city of residence, number and ages of children) 1771545;1516146060;ben_vulpes;demands for "our cryptocurrency!" 1771546;1516146174;asciilifeform;pretty great 1771547;1516146195;ben_vulpes;wrong in that wildly out of date 1771548;1516146201;ben_vulpes;oh i forgot the best part, that "he has me cornered" 1771549;1516146238;ben_vulpes;various oldcorp buddies are playing along "yeah i hate that fuckface too, how do i ruin his rep" for lulztraction 1771550;1516146373;asciilifeform;meanwhile in entomology dept, https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2018/01/10/levchin << 'Today I have had great pleasure in attending the Real World Crypto 2018 conference in Zürich in order to receive the Levchin prize on behalf of the OpenSSL team. The Levchin prize for Real World Cryptography recognises up to two groups or individuals each year who have made significant advances in the practice of cryptography and its use in real-w 1771551;1516146373;asciilifeform;orld systems. This year one of the two recipients is the OpenSSL team. The other recipient is Hugo Krawczyk.' 1771552;1516146375;asciilifeform;didjaknow! 1771553;1516146389;asciilifeform;i had nfi there were an nsa prize for 'top useful idjit' 1771554;1516146398;asciilifeform;publicly bestowed, no less 1771555;1516146452;asciilifeform;the ssl derps i'll leave without comment. but the other great hero : 'Over the last 20+ years, Hugo contributed to Internet standards from the early days of IPsec and IKE to the current work on revamping the security of TLS for its "next generation" version, TLS 1.3. He is also a co-designer of HMAC, the widely used message authentication and pseudo-random function. More recently, he designed HKDF, an HMAC-based key derivation functi 1771556;1516146452;asciilifeform;on that is becoming a standard for key derivation and already included in protocols such as TLS 1.3, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and more.' ( https://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view.php?person=us-hugokraw ) 1771557;1516146453;asciilifeform;ftr. 1771558;1516146673;shinohai;They got an award for making this, we should keep using it!!!!! 1771559;1516146751;asciilifeform;betcha the boecks, the moxies, are green with envy 1771560;1516146759;asciilifeform;('where is ours!') 1771561;1516146766;mircea_popescu;hey, they naive belief of the enemy that strutting somehow benefits it is rather productive. 1771562;1516146777;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine it'll long last, either, so enjoy it while you have it i guess. 1771563;1516146781;asciilifeform;afaik it's new 1771564;1516146801;asciilifeform;previously they did the sensible thing, for rats : stayed under the floorboards 1771565;1516146815;mircea_popescu;somethinglikethat. 1771566;1516146910;ben_vulpes;!!up btcvixen 1771567;1516146910;deedbot;btcvixen voiced for 30 minutes. 1771568;1516146921;ben_vulpes;ey is it you that's been calling my folks? 1771569;1516146934;ben_vulpes;we've had a good laugh at it 1771570;1516147256;ben_vulpes;btcvixen: why even show up if you can't even muster a squeak 1771571;1516147504;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771312 << and dressed in a dress ? or was it sailor costume 1771572;1516147504;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 18:48 phf: one of many 19th c poems, that i can recite, while standing on a chair (a particular form of grownup entertainment apparently unknown in eslands) 1771573;1516147635;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771329 << pretty sure it was "i got into airforce to get the teenaged tail mandate, instead got http://trilema.com/when-did-america-end 1771574;1516147635;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 18:52 trinque: and got "shit, I joined the airforce to be in that gay-ass top gun movie, got instead desk, and military downsizing" 1771575;1516147651;mircea_popescu;hm, i shoulda named that piece tailhook-something. 1771576;1516147714;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771340 <<< nah, was fought in 60s, "hell no we won't go". usians did not want. 1771577;1516147714;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 18:55 trinque: it's possible ww3 might've almost made a country out of USA if it'd been fought in late 80s, and survived 1771578;1516148032;mircea_popescu;the russki kids that "didn't want to" go to afghanistan and went anyway cuz who the fuck is asking them at least had the superficially coherent excuse that they did not believe in the soviet state. the ameritards by comparison "we only believe in it-gives-us-free-monies portion of us, no more", much less of an argument. 1771579;1516148409;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771358 << this has such a delicious socialism scent to it. "twas easy for tov hruschev, he denounced stalin. tov popochev had to denounce palin, which didn't even historically exist. had to be recreated from old stalin photographs with moustache photochopped upside down!" 1771580;1516148409;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 19:14 asciilifeform: i can't help but picture that eventually they will have to cast ~new~ lenins. 1771581;1516148426;asciilifeform;lol!! 1771582;1516148464;mircea_popescu;great novel title, too, "the public denouncement of past excesses that never actually occured" 1771583;1516148518;mircea_popescu;a little bit of, "hey, women, did you know that before the pantsuited hilarity you had no rights, and she gave them to you ?" "what ?" "o, yeah. ourdemocracy!" 1771584;1516148575;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2018/01/unsystematized-exploration-tropical-ed-no-whichever/ << The Whet - Unsystematized Exploration, Tropical Ed. No. Whichever 1771585;1516148663;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: look into the beria trial some time, lol 1771586;1516148677;asciilifeform;afaik not yet broken record of 'imaginary excesses' 1771587;1516148714;mircea_popescu;yeah, but i mean... you know ? derivative excesses. 1771588;1516148727;mircea_popescu;if raped, opt to be raped by gilgamesh. 1771589;1516148794;shinohai;hanbot: Did they sell genuine Kikes there? 1771590;1516148876;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771366 << "a thousand men will test today but only three will green beret" ie, http://trilema.com/2017/color-revolutions-green-or-today-in-usg-corruption-careerism-cronyism-and-malfeasance-in-the-special-warfare-center/#selection-251.260-251.360 1771591;1516148876;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 19:20 phf: re fighting for walmart, dolly parton apparently did a pretty bad rendition of the ballad of the green beret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-pnAPcSN4 1771592;1516148883;mircea_popescu;(“Once they’ve been selected, there is no reason they should fail a single portion of the Q-course.”) 1771593;1516148921;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc that was the 'rangers' 1771594;1516148943;hanbot;shinohai only kike xeroxes 1771595;1516148960;asciilifeform;( usg has moar 'seekrit speshul forces' than afaik anybody ever could want, all more or less interchangeable ) 1771596;1516148990;asciilifeform;'seals', 'deltas', 'rangers', at least 3 others that i can't recall immediately from memory 1771597;1516149031;asciilifeform;one time iirc 1 plane crash vanished an entire speshulforce. nobody missed it. 1771598;1516149041;shinohai;marsoc 1771599;1516149382;shinohai;In other special forces: http://archive.is/IB6oF 1771600;1516149445;asciilifeform;ugh 1771601;1516151153;ben_vulpes;so many vixens 1771602;1516151956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "green beret" is literally mentioned in there 1771603;1516151962;mircea_popescu;i have nfi which is which, but anyway. 1771604;1516151970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah, i reread and saw 1771605;1516152057;shinohai;Vixen implies its a female ben_vulpes 1771606;1516152200;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771390 << hey, they all wanna be paid to sit around and social media, why do any work. 1771607;1516152200;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 19:35 asciilifeform: today i gotta do this with own hands. because nobody else will, for any money. 1771608;1516152360;ben_vulpes;yeah i know shinohai 1771609;1516152383;ben_vulpes;everyone's a truuu dom on the internet 1771610;1516152544;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771435 << hey, is that your blog then ? 1771611;1516152544;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 20:49 Covale`: and there´s a Lenin there too, on the left: https://calinhera.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cana-basescu1.jpg 1771612;1516152626;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771438 << funnily, left the links o.O 1771613;1516152626;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 21:00 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in chinese plagiarisms, https://hk.saowen.com/a/9d756a6dbc463ecb1fef2d16f2299a6ee1acc8b22151900d44d3db846cbdb488 1771614;1516152672;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771444 << no ads there tho. 1771615;1516152672;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 21:34 trinque: lobbes: yes, they crawl for "legitimate content" with good search ranking, steal, put ads next to it 1771616;1516152731;mircea_popescu;wtf is a venmo. misspelled venom ? 1771617;1516152967;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771526 << for srs. 1771618;1516152967;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 22:53 trinque: dem rst packets today 1771619;1516153066;mircea_popescu;in other openssl gets prizes, today cisco got lenin prize for secure communications. 1771620;1516159809;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771571 << in my family for some reason they favored suit, tie ~and shorts~ combination 1771621;1516159809;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 00:05 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771312 << and dressed in a dress ? or was it sailor costume 1771622;1516160470;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771366 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQg-Mv9Hfg 1771623;1516160470;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 19:20 phf: re fighting for walmart, dolly parton apparently did a pretty bad rendition of the ballad of the green beret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-pnAPcSN4 1771624;1516161606;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in 'omfg, there are still thinking people on www somewhere', http://yehar.com/blog/?p=430 1771625;1516161756;asciilifeform;e.g. http://canonical.org/%7Ekragen/bytebeat/ 1771626;1516163501;phf;oh, hah, i remember this "bytebeat" stuff, before it had a fancy name 1771627;1516172356;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: venmo is a touchscreen software abomination that claims to suck money out of one us account and put it into another 1771628;1516185319;mircea_popescu;phf shorts because you probably tore proper pants by climbing into tree. 1771629;1516185391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform abandoned in 2011 ? 1771630;1516185447;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771626 << shit i used to make these! 1992 represent! 1771631;1516185447;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 04:31 phf: oh, hah, i remember this "bytebeat" stuff, before it had a fancy name 1771632;1516185468;mircea_popescu;deathtrack and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750862 ! 1771633;1516185468;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 18:44 asciilifeform: and was played using clever method , where normally '1-bit' pc speaker membrane was allowed to travel 'partial' way , squeezing extra 'bitness' 1771634;1516185508;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6QFV_2BY6w 1771635;1516186686;mircea_popescu;http://yehar.com/blog/?p=893 << how to save 50 euro for the cost of five plus liberal application of your time (which has no value). 1771636;1516187200;Techman;mircea_popescu: what isy our take on bitcoin dropping below 10K (at least on binance) 1771637;1516188142;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771008 << I doubt you actually understood why (If you had, you would be a lot more worried, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771010 ). here's a simpler version of the puzzle: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UmpSH/?raw=true . has exactly the same bug. 1771638;1516188142;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 15:15 asciilifeform: and yes his example snippet ~will~ barf. and no i won't spoil the puzzle by saying where and how. and no it is not hard to make 9000 similar examples. 1771639;1516188142;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 15:15 asciilifeform: if anyone finds so much as the smell of one -- i would like to hear about it, asap. 1771640;1516188504;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771004 << it's not me that does it at the expense of obvious correctness, but _you_. instead of having the compiler enforce no access to Stack(0), one is forced to rely solely on manual checking. But enough about that trivial matter; I'll just make the change locally. 1771641;1516188504;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 15:13 asciilifeform: and willing to do so at the expense of obvious correctness ? 1771642;1516194550;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771055 << My thought was to scrap the current client in favor of a customized one, with eucrypt protocol as the backbone. Is this 1. not what you want, or 2. a bad idea? 1771643;1516194550;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770890 << to be clear, the idea here is that you pick up the extant eulora client, gut it of the current eulora functionality, put eucrypt in there and proceed to implement your idea. this way you have a proved-to-cross-compile platform to start from. 1771644;1516194927;esthlos;Rereading, seems clear that you want eulora's graphics engine. 1771645;1516195237;esthlos;Alternative is stupidly simple text-driven client; downloads multimedia using eucrypt 1771646;1516195388;shinohai;Text-driven client is the holy grail for some of us Eulora people. 1771647;1516196246;esthlos;shinohai: I've targeted this as my first real contribution to la serenissima 1771648;1516196313;shinohai;You have my full support, and will be glad to help read/test any code you produce. 1771649;1516196358;shinohai;I started some work on this over a year ago, simply too much work for me because of irl obligations unfortunately. 1771650;1516196720;diana_coman;esthlos, "current eulora functionality" has nothing to do with graphics really; and client is totally up to players 1771651;1516196735;diana_coman;you can play it with whatever client you want, that's the point 1771652;1516197227;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo Be sure to get your Bitcorn http://bitcorns.com/ico.html 1771653;1516197227;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1771654;1516198314;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771637 << your item clobbers the modulus as it runs. what i dunget, is why this would justify making the range of SP wider than Stack itself, as seen in your paste earlier. 1771655;1516198314;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 11:22 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771008 << I doubt you actually understood why (If you had, you would be a lot more worried, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771010 ). here's a simpler version of the puzzle: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UmpSH/?raw=true . has exactly the same bug. 1771656;1516198386;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771640 << MustNotZero has 0 to do with Stack(0), it is there to keep the tape from creating a div0 1771657;1516198386;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 11:28 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771004 << it's not me that does it at the expense of obvious correctness, but _you_. instead of having the compiler enforce no access to Stack(0), one is forced to rely solely on manual checking. But enough about that trivial matter; I'll just make the change locally. 1771658;1516198474;asciilifeform;and no, not 'enough', i'd like to find out wtf apeloyee was thinking 1771659;1516198527;asciilifeform;specifically, why : 1771660;1516198530;asciilifeform;subtype Stack_Positions is Natural range 0 .. Height; 1771661;1516198530;asciilifeform; type Stacks is array(Stack_Positions range <>) of FZ(1 .. Wordness); 1771662;1516198530;asciilifeform;- Stack : Stacks(Stack_Positions'Range); 1771663;1516198530;asciilifeform;+ Stack : Stacks(1..Height); 1771664;1516198926;shinohai;Logged: 09:17 +Hasimir and yes, libgcrypt is part of the larger project, Werner and Niibe are at the core of GNU security. 1771665;1516198950;asciilifeform;the proper way to enforce 'no access to Stack(0)' would be to constrain Stack_Positions to 1 .. Height. but this leaves no way to represent an empty stack. 1771666;1516199909;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1771667;1516199919;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9568.75, vol: 38790.17876819 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9459.4, vol: 131533.8373469 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9569.0, vol: 10706.6833868 | Volume-weighted last average: 9489.31292948 1771668;1516201373;esthlos;diana_coman I didn't mean to imply it would be "official" (tm) client 1771669;1516201752;esthlos;but having one in existence would help fellows in shinohai's position 1771670;1516201780;diana_coman;esthlos, certainly, not an issue; I think you are overthinking/overreading into this 1771671;1516201795;shinohai;Well as diana_coman said, Eulora encourages one to customize to one's liking. 1771672;1516201816;shinohai;You can play with pen and paper, I'm sure, if you find a method for so doing. 1771673;1516201837;diana_coman;and fwiw see history of foxybot: it started precisely like that, as a player-made-for-own-use thing and it ended up bundled into "official" client 1771674;1516201891;diana_coman;not by accident either; it's s.mg policy 1771675;1516201892;*;shinohai snail-mails diana_coman all my claim updates, looks around forlornly as they all vanish into lbn .... 1771676;1516201917;diana_coman;now hmm, where was that bit written on trilema 1771677;1516202050;diana_coman;esthlos, here it is: http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-eulora-disrupting/ 1771678;1516202362;apeloyee;MustNotZero has 0 to do with Stack(0) << I know. 1771679;1516202383;shinohai;Round 1 .... FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT! 1771680;1516202430;apeloyee;Hear, hear! If asciilifeform would agree to take discussion of why 1+1=2 elsewhere, I'll do. 1771681;1516202482;asciilifeform;apeloyee: let's hear the answer to the riddle ? 1771682;1516202486;asciilifeform;i'ma listen 1771683;1516202535;apeloyee;which. 1771684;1516202544;asciilifeform;both parts 1771685;1516202580;apeloyee;the change to size Stack in the first paste was irrelevant 1771686;1516202594;apeloyee;*size of Stack 1771687;1516202604;asciilifeform;that part i get, it doesn't have anything to do with the clobbering of the modulus 1771688;1516202611;apeloyee;yes 1771689;1516202642;apeloyee;why should correctness depend on order of the arguments? 1771690;1516202650;apeloyee;(on FFACalc stack) 1771691;1516202688;asciilifeform;because we're overwriting an input ? 1771692;1516202700;asciilifeform;could just as easily not, with temp buffer. but why. 1771693;1516202726;asciilifeform;it is not my place to make every possible mutilation of the program, safe. ( and is quite impossible ) 1771694;1516202787;asciilifeform;prolly FZ_Mod_Exp oughta accumulate Product in a temp, and shit it out in 1shot in the end, like FZ_Mod_Mul. 1771695;1516202802;asciilifeform;though it is a waste of space and time. 1771696;1516202857;asciilifeform;i never proclaimed, fwiw, that all ffa routines must be able to cleanly walk over own inputs. 1771697;1516202884;apeloyee;what functions can tolerate aliasing of arguments is talked of precisely nowhere. and it's easy to forget about that when changing them later. and aliasing is used extensively. 1771698;1516202897;apeloyee;so can't say "don't do that" 1771699;1516202937;asciilifeform;used extensively ? where, other than the stack ops ? 1771700;1516202945;apeloyee;FZ_Mux 1771701;1516202966;apeloyee;is invoked many times with output = one of inputs 1771702;1516203014;esthlos;diana_voman very likely am over thinking things 1771703;1516203027;esthlos;lol diana_coman 1771704;1516203040;asciilifeform;has apeloyee found a specific instance where it can be made to eggog ? or is this a hypothetical 'once less clueful people start changing things' observation ? 1771705;1516203051;esthlos;I will proceed one step at a time 1771706;1516203053;apeloyee;the latter. 1771707;1516203063;asciilifeform;because there isn't actually a limit as to what less-clueful people can break, regardless of what i do 1771708;1516203085;asciilifeform;but i can't help but agree with apeloyee re the Product in FZ_Mod_Exp , it gotta be buffered. 1771709;1516203094;diana_coman;esthlos, lol! auto-completion helps 1771710;1516203108;asciilifeform;the cost is small in comparison with the mod-exping per se 1771711;1516203113;apeloyee;this can be used to justify pointer arithmetic and what-not. Just don't do unsafe things!! 1771712;1516203130;apeloyee;FZ_Mod_Mul also 1771713;1516203158;asciilifeform;the ch7 one ? yea 1771714;1516203162;apeloyee;(as implemented in chapter 7, but not chapter 6) 1771715;1516203165;asciilifeform;aha 1771716;1516203175;asciilifeform;i'ma buffer'em. 1771717;1516203198;asciilifeform;really all routines oughta behave consistently in re input-overwrite. 1771718;1516203200;shinohai;Diana Voman sounds very Soviet to me for some reason. 1771719;1516203279;asciilifeform;this is a bit of a downer, i confess that i hoped apeloyee had found a more subtle, lethal boojum. 1771720;1516203282;apeloyee;and add a new exercise: re-read all previous chapters and write what aliasing of arguments is safe 1771721;1516203292;apeloyee;nope,sorry 1771722;1516203298;asciilifeform;lol 1771723;1516203318;asciilifeform;apeloyee still wins 'most attentive eagle eye' award. 1771724;1516203399;asciilifeform;the 1 caveat re buffers, is that there is a practical limit as to what can be made anticlobbering: if i were to do it to items that occur in inner loops of O(n^3)istic items, e.g. mux, proggy will end up 'geological' 4ever. 1771725;1516203460;apeloyee;I think everything up to ch.5 is safe as long as arguments are either equal or don't overlap 1771726;1516203478;apeloyee;*memory locations of the arguments 1771727;1516203509;asciilifeform;afaik it isn't actually possible to write overlap-safe routines without implicit (or otherwise) branches 1771728;1516203516;asciilifeform;in the general case. 1771729;1516203573;apeloyee;does gnat provide a facility to check aliasing at runtime? 1771730;1516203631;asciilifeform;partially ( for array copies ) . but it gets nuked by No_Implicit_Conditionals. 1771731;1516203730;asciilifeform;ffa itself is a sort of tightrope walk, an attempt to 'и рыбку съесть и нахуй сесть' . it isn't actually possible to make all of the routines able to take every conceivable kind of compile-time abuse ( which i'd argue overlap of arguments, is ) without conditional jumps. 1771732;1516203806;apeloyee;conditional jumps are OK if one of the destinations just aborts the program 1771733;1516203820;apeloyee;as with MustNotZero 1771734;1516203822;asciilifeform;right, e.g. the range checks 1771735;1516203829;asciilifeform;( they don't appear in the code, but they exist ) 1771736;1516203844;apeloyee;aliasing checks are like range checks in this regard 1771737;1516203873;asciilifeform;No_Implicit_Conditionals does not affect such jumps however 1771738;1516203879;asciilifeform;( observe , they are still present in the disasm ) 1771739;1516203907;apeloyee;then why "it gets nuked by No_Implicit_Conditionals."? wreckers (tm)? 1771740;1516203932;asciilifeform;it isn't a wrecking 1771741;1516203949;asciilifeform;No_Implicit_Conditionals is working as described on the box : https://docs.adacore.com/gnathie_ug-docs/html/gnathie_ug/gnathie_ug/using_gnat_pro_features_relevant_to_high_integrity.html#controlling-implicit-conditionals-and-loops 1771742;1516204137;asciilifeform;and afaik gnat does not know how to prevent aliasing in the general case, but only in a few specific situations ( array copies ) 1771743;1516204216;apeloyee;well, ideally it would have a "No_Out_Arguments_Aliasing" restriction which would insert runtime checks 1771744;1516204221;asciilifeform;yea 1771745;1516204229;asciilifeform;but afaik no such item exists , even in '2012' 1771746;1516204252;apeloyee;gnat implements many nonstandard restrictions 1771747;1516204262;asciilifeform;possibly one can make a SPARKistic proof of non-aliasing , for proggy taken as a whole. i'ma look into it. 1771748;1516204332;asciilifeform;thing is, a sparkism is not a substitute for a 'fits-in-head'-correct routine. 1771749;1516204349;asciilifeform;proggy ought to be written in such a way that the reader can ~see~ that it is correct. 1771750;1516204386;asciilifeform;this is the #1 type of stylistic fix that i look for -- 'can this be made more obviously-correct-when-used-as-prescribed' and 'can use-as-prescribed be made more obvious' 1771751;1516204465;apeloyee;yes. hence me bringing this item here 1771752;1516204502;asciilifeform;aha. ty apeloyee , for taking the sweat to do this. 1771753;1516204517;asciilifeform;i'm still curious re the SP tho 1771754;1516204537;asciilifeform;can you think of a way to have the range of SP and of Stack be the same, but to still represent concept of 'empty' ? 1771755;1516206428;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1771756;1516206435;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9962.0, vol: 43036.01398257 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10082.0, vol: 142442.83558633 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10048.3, vol: 11690.3715496 | Volume-weighted last average: 10053.8095595 1771757;1516206444;asciilifeform;oh hey waterfall working again 1771758;1516206514;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Are you sure? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-16#1603917 1771759;1516206514;a111;Logged on 2017-01-16 18:11 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 828.5, vol: 5371.02382600 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 819.819, vol: 4067.02976 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 827.09, vol: 7289.43424066 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 820.81503, vol: 506972.47910000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 834.0, vol: 1190.23580128 | Volume-weighted last average: 821.002992125 1771760;1516206544;BingoBoingo;10+x crashing over last year 1771761;1516206547;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hey they only nao plugged it back in 1771762;1516206760;BingoBoingo;Nah, this appears to be an Azn attempt at replicating white person's waterfall 1771763;1516206930;shinohai;Gotta sell all my Bitcorn before the Missus finds out I spent all our monies on the Bitconnect ponzi. 1771764;1516207191;apeloyee;can you think of a way to have the range of SP and of Stack be the same << this is plainly absurd. a N-sized stack has (modulo contents) N+1 possible states: "0 elements", "1 element", ..., "N elements". i.e.the ranges MUST differ, by exactly one. 1771765;1516207202;BingoBoingo;In other shithole factories: meltdown/specte patches are making a bunch of industrial systems wobble! Chinesium's about to get a low more Pinoy 1771766;1516207297;asciilifeform;apeloyee: i dunget why absurd ? my other arrays behave this way. 1771767;1516207335;asciilifeform;i.e. in all cases where the array has a custom indexing type as the index, the array exists over the entire range of said type. 1771768;1516207407;asciilifeform;concretely, e.g., Dividend_Index in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L31 1771769;1516207706;asciilifeform;apeloyee: a long-term goal is to have the whole proggy bulletproof even after building under '-gnatp' ('disable all range checks'). relying on the range check of Stack , vs SP's range, does not go well with this 1771770;1516207725;apeloyee;Logically, SP isn't a reference. It's a cursor, showing the boundary between the valid and invalid elements. If a line in a text editor has N sybols, then a cursor has N+1 valid positions. (Consider that an empty line sill has 1 valid cursor position). 1771771;1516207731;asciilifeform;ideally there would be some way to trap any reference to the zero cell, or , failing that, to prove that the zero cell cannot end up referenced. 1771772;1516207762;asciilifeform;apeloyee: well yes, i get it. but i DON'T LIKE it. 1771773;1516207794;asciilifeform;i'd like to resolve the apparent contradiction between 'all possible SP positions are valid dereferences' and 'stack can be empty'. 1771774;1516208070;apeloyee;an extra element won't save the father of russian democracy (c), if FFACalc stack manipulation code is wrong; e.g. if a 'Want(X)' statement is omiitted 1771775;1516208097;asciilifeform;right. but why would it be omitted. 1771776;1516208167;asciilifeform;one way i considered doing this, is to do away with all such things as 'SP - 1', 'SP - 2', etc. and instead to have e.g. Get_Stack_First, Get_Stack_Second, etc., each of which individually would ensure that the desired element exists. but these would have to return 'access type' (pointers) which thus far i've avoided using . 1771777;1516208176;apeloyee;if FFACalc code is correct, then it's also safe to omit that zero-indexed element from Stack 1771778;1516208211;asciilifeform;this is true. but 1) ugly 2) possibly will get in the way of sparkism, later; it relies on type ranges for good chunk of the proofolade 1771779;1516208363;asciilifeform;hmm, what if one were to model SP as in apeloyee's analogy, the text editor cursor. i.e. the pos of the ~next~ valid stack cell, rather than 'current'. 1771780;1516208424;asciilifeform;then to refer to current, would be 'SP - 1' rather than 'SP' 1771781;1516208430;apeloyee;no need 1771782;1516208467;apeloyee;cursors are pointing _between_ elements 1771783;1516208472;asciilifeform;well it'd turn a pop from empty stack into a range-dipping eggog instantly 1771784;1516208481;asciilifeform;and abolish need to want() 1771785;1516208513;asciilifeform;( at the very least, if range checks are enabled for ffacalc ) 1771786;1516208538;asciilifeform;there's an explicit range test construct, btw 1771787;1516208600;apeloyee;the proper range for a cursor into an array (1..N) is (0.5 .. N+0.5); this is usually shifted to become (1 .. N+1) as in text editors, but no reason not to shift in the other direction, as you did, to (0..N) 1771788;1516208673;apeloyee;(other than convention) 1771789;1516208753;apeloyee;SP _is_ a cursor, I'm merely suggesting to treat it as such 1771790;1516208935;apeloyee;"1) ugly" << can't see that.; "2) ... it relies on type ranges for good chunk of the proofolade"<< if you really want, can explicitly declare a subtype of Stack_Positions, omitting 0 from it 1771791;1516208946;apeloyee;that _would_ be ugly indeed 1771792;1516209027;apeloyee;well it'd turn a pop from empty stack into a range-dipping eggog instantly << the reason I even suggested that 3 weeks ago 1771793;1516209433;ben_vulpes;https://neopg.io/ 1771794;1516209451;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748666 1771795;1516209451;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 13:39 asciilifeform: meanwhile, on the hannoboeck planet, https://neopg.io << usg tool marcus brinkmann proclaims 'clean rewrite of gpg' , with fanfare, spamola ( e.g. http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/1 ) , 'modernisms', the full shebang. 1771796;1516209460;ben_vulpes;shit! 1771797;1516210077;asciilifeform;apeloyee: afaik it isn't possible to make types 'with hole' 1771798;1516210090;apeloyee;0 is at the boundary 1771799;1516210137;asciilifeform;so what would empty stack look like , in this variant ? 1771800;1516210161;apeloyee;as in my patch 1771801;1516210165;apeloyee;SP=0 1771802;1516210249;asciilifeform;this is not equiv to cursor behaviour in text editors, though. there, cursor always is pointing to a valid fillable cell 1771803;1516210298;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771787 1771804;1516210298;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 17:03 apeloyee: the proper range for a cursor into an array (1..N) is (0.5 .. N+0.5); this is usually shifted to become (1 .. N+1) as in text editors, but no reason not to shift in the other direction, as you did, to (0..N) 1771805;1516210433;asciilifeform;currently seems to me that ~all~ of the possible variants, are similarly ugly 1771806;1516210589;apeloyee;what's ugly about my proposal? only two lines changed 1771807;1516210714;asciilifeform;the fact that an array is indexed by a type which has a range outside of the array's. 1771808;1516210721;asciilifeform;at the risk of repeating myself. 1771809;1516210733;asciilifeform;ideally there would be NONE of any such thing, in the entire program. 1771810;1516210755;asciilifeform;i.e. if you see an array reference, you ~know~ that it is valid, because of the type of the index. 1771811;1516210773;asciilifeform;as in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771768 example. 1771812;1516210773;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 16:43 asciilifeform: concretely, e.g., Dividend_Index in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L31 1771813;1516210837;asciilifeform;mine is also ugly, it is conceivable that somebody, some day, in a broken variant and running with -gnatp, ~will~ write to the zero cell 1771814;1516210849;asciilifeform;this however is preferable than writing to the return addr on the stack ! 1771815;1516210855;asciilifeform;*preferable to 1771816;1516210898;asciilifeform;the fundamental riddle is whether this is an ~avoidable~ instance of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 -ism 1771817;1516210898;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111' 1771818;1516210944;apeloyee;~will~ write to the zero cell << why not to minus-one cell then 1771819;1516210949;asciilifeform;i was about to add : 1771820;1516210957;asciilifeform;possibly there ought to be not 1 but... 4 null cells 1771821;1516210967;asciilifeform;to carry this to logical conclusion 1771822;1516210996;asciilifeform;( i.e. equal to the arity of the highest-arity stack op ) 1771823;1516211139;asciilifeform;the other open q is where to draw the line re 'somebody, some day, with mutilated ffa' . 1771824;1516211145;asciilifeform;because it gotta be drawn somewhere. 1771825;1516211153;apeloyee;doesn't gnat have a facility to control the layout of memory? 1771826;1516211168;asciilifeform;what do you have in mind, apeloyee ? 1771827;1516211191;apeloyee;put a dummy array of 4 (or whatever) elements just before the Stack 1771828;1516211195;asciilifeform;there is not, afaik, a way to force stack frames to be explicitly padded 1771829;1516211215;asciilifeform;and at any rate the right place for such a thing is in the code, rather than in the guts of the linker 1771830;1516211269;asciilifeform;pc arch also does not, unfortunately, give a way for userland to trap on reads/writes to specific piece of memory 1771831;1516211284;asciilifeform;this is a fundamental headache 1771832;1516211301;apeloyee;Don't Turn Off Bounds Checks. 1771833;1516211309;apeloyee;and there's no problem. 1771834;1516211327;asciilifeform;easy to say on 3GHz+ pc 1771835;1516211334;asciilifeform;how about when it goes in a 25mhz micro ? 1771836;1516211353;asciilifeform;i don't see any reason why the thing should ~rely~ on adatronicn bounds checks for correctness. 1771837;1516211367;asciilifeform;*adatronic 1771838;1516211371;apeloyee;it... doesn't? 1771839;1516211379;asciilifeform;well right now it doesn't 1771840;1516211379;apeloyee;Want(); etc 1771841;1516211382;asciilifeform;right 1771842;1516211399;asciilifeform;ideally could somehow get rid of want() tho, AND not rely on implicit bounds checks 1771843;1516211412;asciilifeform;AND be correct-to-naked-eye 1771844;1516211429;apeloyee;"five-angled heptagon" 1771845;1516211434;asciilifeform;maybe 1771846;1516211447;asciilifeform;or maybe not. i say it is an open problem. 1771847;1516211636;asciilifeform;ftr several different items in ffa seemed to me to be 'five-angled heptagons' (starting with how to compute the asm-less addition carries) until i solved'em 1771848;1516211730;asciilifeform;one way to model this process is that there is an 'ugliness budget', just like there is a cpu cycle budget, that can be 'spent' in certain ways 1771849;1516211748;asciilifeform;ideally so as to maximally compartmentalize and document the ugly 1771850;1516211953;asciilifeform;or for another example, take the ugliness and 'pointericity' of the traditional 'pivoting' form of karatsuba. which i killed by forcing all FZ bitnesses to be powers of 2. 1771851;1516212006;asciilifeform;incidentally there were pivot-position bugs in commonly-used karatsubas as late as the early 2000s. 1771852;1516212021;asciilifeform;( prolly still are today, somewhere in ssl liquishit ) 1771853;1516212436;asciilifeform;apeloyee: here's another idea from my notes , that would do the job : to dispense with the array representation for the stack, in favour of linked list. ada permits the definition of a 'not null' pointer type (whose non-nullity is checked on every reference) . 1771854;1516212470;asciilifeform;however this introduces explicit pointerism. ( though, i will add, NOT pointer-arithmetism ) 1771855;1516212582;asciilifeform;want() would then vanish; both stack underflow and overflow checks would be handled by the nullity check ( first cell has a null in its 'prev' slot; last cell in stack -- in its 'next' . ) 1771856;1516212611;asciilifeform;whether this is cleaner than the existing item, i will leave up to the readers, incl. apeloyee . 1771857;1516212648;asciilifeform;currently it actually seems to me , to be cleaner -- in that its correctness proof is simpler, does not use arithmetic at all 1771858;1516212678;asciilifeform;you can trivially show that any attempt to walk under or over the stack, would have to involve a null-dereference. 1771859;1516212744;asciilifeform;nao that i think about it, it doesn't even have to introduce 'access types' ( pointers in ada ) , can use ordinary integers 1771860;1516212796;asciilifeform;so a stack cell would contain not only an FZ of the current bitness, but two boolean values, e.g. HasPrev and HasNext 1771861;1516212808;asciilifeform;the first cell has a false HasPrev ; the last -- a false HasNext. 1771862;1516212828;asciilifeform;( i will omit the rest of the mechanism, i think it is pretty obvious ) 1771863;1516213325;apeloyee;it's a wonder -gnatp doesn't disable nullity checks 1771864;1516213459;asciilifeform;doesn't seem to , in gnat '2016' 1771865;1516213479;asciilifeform;but this is one of the reasons why there is no escape from disasm 1771866;1516213489;asciilifeform;will have to see what gets removed, what -- not 1771867;1516213516;asciilifeform;the variant with booleans doesn't rely on non-nullities tho. 1771868;1516213555;asciilifeform;it's simply an arithmetic-free version of want(). 1771869;1516213657;asciilifeform;speaking of which, could even have a stackmachine with circular ring for a stack. 1771870;1516213691;asciilifeform;( i'd rather not. but there is nothing fundamentally unusable about it ) 1771871;1516214972;apeloyee;https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn/Alphabetical-List-of-All-Switches.html#Alphabetical-List-of-All-Switches : "-gnateA" Check that the actual parameters of a subprogram call are not aliases of one another. 1771872;1516214981;asciilifeform;oh hey neato 1771873;1516214989;asciilifeform;apeloyee: do you know how it behaves under -gnatp ? 1771874;1516215005;apeloyee;no idea. just found. 1771875;1516215034;asciilifeform;( other q is whether it understands overlaps, as well as exact-match aliases ) 1771876;1516215039;asciilifeform;!!up freetlas 1771877;1516215039;deedbot;freetlas voiced for 30 minutes. 1771878;1516215048;asciilifeform;who might you be , freetlas ? 1771879;1516215092;freetlas;Wow, first time I see too many people in here :o 1771880;1516215124;asciilifeform;freetlas: you did not answer the question 1771881;1516215154;freetlas;asciilifeform: Just a person who likes to read trilema from time to time :) 1771882;1516215158;apeloyee;from above: "Check that the actual parameters of a subprogram call are not aliases of one another. To qualify as aliasing, the actuals must denote objects of a composite type, their memory locations must be identical or overlapping, and at least one of the corresponding formal parameters must be of mode OUT or IN OUT. " 1771883;1516215174;asciilifeform;apeloyee: neato. gotta wonder how this is implemented tho. 1771884;1516215186;apeloyee;this is gpl gnat tho 1771885;1516215191;asciilifeform;i can't picture how without a megatonne of conditionaljumps. but maybe just failure of my imagination. 1771886;1516215196;apeloyee;of unknown version 1771887;1516215240;apeloyee;nuffin wrong with conditional jumps, if one destination aborts. 1771888;1516215264;asciilifeform;from leakage pov yes 1771889;1516215270;asciilifeform;from pipeline-blowing pov -- expensive. 1771890;1516215293;apeloyee;prediction would be perfect 1771891;1516215341;asciilifeform;if gcc actually puts in the 'jump-likely' . currently i have nfi whether it does. 1771892;1516216304;Covale`;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771610 - no, not mine, I don´t have one. Neither do I have that cup, but it´s a pretty decent Lenin nonetheless 1771893;1516216304;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 01:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771435 << hey, is that your blog then ? 1771894;1516217219;BingoBoingo;Now that was a wasted voice 1771895;1516217279;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765560 << this looks to be the only safe way. asciilifeform : don't you think that's insane? 1771896;1516217279;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 23:30 asciilifeform: trinque: if you really hate files, you are welcome to make the whole proggy 1 file 1771897;1516217282;BingoBoingo;It gets 30 minutes with the audience, remarks on the size on the audience, and then silence 1771898;1516217293;asciilifeform;apeloyee: waiwat 1771899;1516217302;asciilifeform;i must've missed something 1771900;1516217506;apeloyee;a vpatch's purpose is twofold. 1) to provide a way to construct some files based on some antedecent files, whose hashes are given. 2) to take some responsibility about the entire tree. but the signature on a vpatch doesn't fix the state of the tree; it is defined implicitly by antedecent patches, which are liable to change at any time ("regrinding") and thereby change some files not... 1771901;1516217508;apeloyee;...referenced in a particular vpatch 1771902;1516217529;apeloyee;hence the hash-manifest proposals 1771903;1516217533;asciilifeform;apeloyee: the 'liable to change' thing was very much NOT part of my orig design for v. 1771904;1516217540;apeloyee;really it's CVS over again 1771905;1516217541;asciilifeform;imho it is an abuse. 1771906;1516217587;asciilifeform;apeloyee: some of the 'cvsism' is deliberate -- cvs made collaborative writing harder by accident, we -- on purpose !11 1771907;1516217685;apeloyee;files are NOT INDEPENDENT. despite CVS and v pretending they are. this is a problem. you could have required some form of cryptographic commitment to either the tree state or even the antedecent patches themselves, but didn't 1771908;1516217726;asciilifeform;apeloyee: see the quite 'flammable' log from that thread. i put the burden of correct operation ~100% on the human operator. 1771909;1516217766;asciilifeform;apeloyee: trinque and mircea_popescu would like to put more of it on the machine. i haven't with what to dissuade them, it is a philosophical q, not even technical. 1771910;1516217801;asciilifeform;and yes it is entirely true that files-are-not-guaranteedly-independent. 1771911;1516217820;apeloyee;do you advocate the brick "lisp machine", too? 1771912;1516217837;asciilifeform;hey it's the only kind i have nao!11 1771913;1516217863;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform traded his lispm for two last-made lispm single-ic cpu... ) 1771914;1516217980;apeloyee;well, your point seems to be specifically that work which can be done by machine is shifted onto a human. this is insane. 1771915;1516218015;asciilifeform;as i described in the linked thread, forcing the entire program under the antecedent hasher is not free 1771916;1516218028;asciilifeform;it severely constrains the kind of things you can do without manual surgery 1771917;1516218065;asciilifeform;so it is not correct to say 'you made the man do what the machine could do.' rather, lightened the work for operator for one kind of operation, and made heavier -- other kind. 1771918;1516218188;BingoBoingo;And in other news, a police car exploded near the Brazilian border https://www.elobservador.com.uy/bomberos-explosion-auto-policial-fue-intencional-n1160744 1771919;1516218203;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and on most days they do not ? 1771920;1516218222;asciilifeform;fenómenos que "no tiene antecedentes" en el país << orly? 1771921;1516218231;BingoBoingo;On most days they do not explode on this side of the border. 1771922;1516218254;asciilifeform;( it borders, e.g., columbia. nothing exploded there ?0 ) 1771923;1516218268;BingoBoingo;The closest thing so far was they time an Israeli embassy worker was busted with a bomb or fake bomb near the WTC 1771924;1516218290;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Uruguay pointedly does not border Columbia. Other side of the Continent 1771925;1516218300;asciilifeform;i was speaking of brazil 1771926;1516218314;BingoBoingo;Ah 1771927;1516218388;BingoBoingo;Anyways Artigas is about as far north as you can get in Uruguay. 1771928;1516218470;apeloyee;that's a spurious objection. one need not to sign an antedecent state, one needs to sign a RESULTING state. to expand on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771900 , you're free to pick individual files from wherever, possibly several different trees, but there needs to be a tree hash in the _leaf_ patch. and it MUST match the resulting tree (under the principle that patch author takes the... 1771929;1516218470;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 19:31 apeloyee: a vpatch's purpose is twofold. 1) to provide a way to construct some files based on some antedecent files, whose hashes are given. 2) to take some responsibility about the entire tree. but the signature on a vpatch doesn't fix the state of the tree; it is defined implicitly by antedecent patches, which are liable to change at any time ("regrinding") and thereby change some files not... 1771930;1516218471;apeloyee;...responsibility for the resultant tree state).. otherwise it's unclear what one signs. 1771931;1516218642;trinque;they're equivalent neh? signed antecedent state or signed resulting state + fact that the patch is signed 1771932;1516218685;trinque;and in the case of signed antecedent state, don't have to press first to know if you could 1771933;1516218763;apeloyee;well, a hash is not the same as the signature, but otherwise yes. 1771934;1516218806;apeloyee;but there can be several of them 1771935;1516218820;apeloyee;for merging 1771936;1516218825;trinque;pretty obvious I'm saying signed hash, i.e. hash is in the signed vpatch 1771937;1516218861;asciilifeform;trinque is right tho, they are equivalent 1771938;1516218894;asciilifeform;and in both cases, the ability to explicitly mark subsystems as independent ( e.g. a readme.txt being independent from doesallthework.adb ) is lost. 1771939;1516218958;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu's argument was that it is wrong to say that they could ~ever~ be properly independent. and that if they could be shown to be independent, they ought to be separate v-trees. 1771940;1516218968;asciilifeform;i don't have a good counter-argument to this. 1771941;1516218982;asciilifeform;however it DOES mean even ~more~ work for folx using v, than ever before. and not less. 1771942;1516218987;asciilifeform;potentially exponentially more. 1771943;1516219001;asciilifeform;for multi-author projects, that is. 1771944;1516219009;asciilifeform;for single-author, e.g. ffa, nothing really changes. 1771945;1516219134;trinque;asciilifeform: to see if I can restate your opinion back to you, if I edit (as single author) both readme.txt and doesallthework.adb in separate vpatches, your view is I combine those into a single vpatch, if I want to build atop both in a new vpatch? 1771946;1516219183;asciilifeform;trinque: under classical v, or trinqueian ? 1771947;1516219189;trinque;classical. 1771948;1516219230;asciilifeform;under classical, you can grab antecedents from any trees you want, by copying files, aha 1771949;1516219240;asciilifeform;as i did in trb. 1771950;1516219267;asciilifeform;so answ to trinque's q is yes 1771951;1516219475;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper 1771952;1516219475;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1771953;1516219476;trinque;then we are closer than it appeared in the long thread. I proposed being able to name arbitrary required antecedents in a vpatch's header, and this appears equivalent in effect to copying the file in whole. 1771954;1516219479;fromloper;hello 1771955;1516219482;fromloper;asciilifeform: someone uploaded "I-Machine Architecture Specification" to Bitsavers three days ago, I thought you might find it interesting: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/symbolics/I_Machine/I-Machine%20Architecture%20Specification.pdf 1771956;1516219488;fromloper;it's more complete than the previously published documents on the Ivory 1771957;1516219510;asciilifeform;fromloper: pretty sure i've seen this before 1771958;1516219541;fromloper;there were older versions of three chapters from this documents on Bitsavers, but not the whole thing 1771959;1516219545;apeloyee;point is, the situation when you can replace one of the patches with figurative "format c:" and 'v' will be none the wiser as long as the file is not touched by later patches is insane 1771960;1516219545;asciilifeform;fromloper: it is not a complete arch description, you cannot write a working emulator with it ( or even make the existing snap4 not-crash ) 1771961;1516219554;asciilifeform;fromloper: i'ma look. ty 1771962;1516219574;fromloper;did you succeed in scanning the chip at Zeptobars? 1771963;1516219587;asciilifeform;apeloyee: there is not a mechanical solution to preventing someone from 'putting in format c:' proverbially 1771964;1516219605;asciilifeform;fromloper: that was phf's plan. afaik he has not, as of yet. 1771965;1516219631;asciilifeform;fromloper: i shopped around in commercial labs; the best bid was in the neighbourhood of 25,000 usd. 1771966;1516219651;apeloyee;when you sign a tarball, the signature is not transferrable to anything else 1771967;1516219660;asciilifeform;fromloper: that's where it stopped. i do not have 25k usd to use on ivory die photo. 1771968;1516219689;asciilifeform;apeloyee: observe , i do not actually disagree . 1771969;1516219692;fromloper;I see, hopefully phf will have more luck with Zeptobars 1771970;1516219716;asciilifeform;apeloyee: trinqueian / mircea_popescuine vtron is arguably The Right Thing. my observation is that it may be a 50kg sword. 1771971;1516219762;asciilifeform;fromloper: i only have two 'ivory' chips, and ideally would like to leave one intact , for active test . iirc phf also has 2 to use. 1771972;1516219806;asciilifeform;so i'ma save mine for proper commercial lab. but that means potentially forever. maybe whoever takes it off my corpse, can get it photo'd. 1771973;1516219856;apeloyee;"may be a 50kg sword" << doesn't seem to be. can be retrofitted into an existing design. as i said above "there needs to be a tree hash in the _leaf_ patch. and it MUST match the resulting tree" 1771974;1516219862;asciilifeform;retrofitted yes 1771975;1516219868;asciilifeform;but i am speaking of ~use~. 1771976;1516219869;fromloper;asciilifeform: if I remember, you wanted to hook this intact chip to some emulation of Ivory's life support 1771977;1516219875;asciilifeform;fromloper: correct 1771978;1516219895;asciilifeform;fromloper: currently however i do not even know where the power supply pins are, much less bus addressing, i/o, clock, etc 1771979;1516219901;asciilifeform;or the necessary timings. 1771980;1516219912;asciilifeform;( or what it expects to find on the bus, or almost anything else ) 1771981;1516219925;asciilifeform;i do not have, nor ever had, a working 'ivory' of any description. 1771982;1516219977;fromloper;VLM is not very informative for this purpose, unfortunately 1771983;1516219986;asciilifeform;fromloper: correct. almost totally useless. 1771984;1516220022;apeloyee;I proposed being able to name arbitrary required antecedents << also probably needs a mechanism to declare "there are no other files in the tree" 1771985;1516220066;asciilifeform;apeloyee: look at the trb tree, and picture what the mass of the patches would have been, if this requirement had been in effect when i made it. 1771986;1516220092;asciilifeform;( and yes mircea_popescu's answer was 'shuddup and suck it' . which is very easily said when you ain't the one sucking it ) 1771987;1516220179;asciilifeform;fromloper: i'll confirm, this is a larger and moar detailed document than old one. 1771988;1516220198;apeloyee;a hash of the entire tree doesn't take much 1771989;1516220240;fromloper;at the very least, the description of the instruction set is much more complete, all the opcodes are listed and no blanks at all 1771990;1516220270;fromloper;there is a whole section on the virtual memory 1771991;1516220303;asciilifeform;neat 1771992;1516220347;fromloper;though it's still an early version of the architecture, revision 0 if I understand correctly 1771993;1516220353;fromloper;the last one is rev 5 1771994;1516220376;fromloper;which was designed for VLM exclusively 1771995;1516220698;fromloper;asciilifeform: I have noticed that some of the former Symbolics employees are fairly active on Twitter, like https://twitter.com/swmckay (one of the developers of VLM) and https://twitter.com/KalmanReti , do you think it is possible to pry any information out of them? 1771996;1516220716;apeloyee;!#s whisperers 1771997;1516220716;a111;18 results for "whisperers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=whisperers 1771998;1516220775;asciilifeform;fromloper: possibly. my track record for prying information out of bolixologists is ~0 so far, however. 1771999;1516220796;asciilifeform;somehow we cannot find common language, i have nfi. 1772000;1516220914;asciilifeform;fromloper: looking at the linked doc, it is indeed very useful, now we have maybe 80% of the necessary info, instead of ~50%. 1772001;1516220951;fromloper;asciilifeform: very good, I'm glad I brought it to your attention 1772002;1516220980;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771995 << in these pages however all i see is claptrap re 'racism of trump', 0 about lispm 1772003;1516220980;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 20:24 fromloper: asciilifeform: I have noticed that some of the former Symbolics employees are fairly active on Twitter, like https://twitter.com/swmckay (one of the developers of VLM) and https://twitter.com/KalmanReti , do you think it is possible to pry any information out of them? 1772004;1516221020;trinque;pretty common to end up LARPing in retirement, even if one lived as a man, unfortunately 1772005;1516221020;asciilifeform;the unfortunate bit is that reti et al seem intent to take their seekritz to their graves, because they are 'law-abiding' and are still honouring their nda to the dead hand of the dead man 1772006;1516221027;asciilifeform;trinque: aha 1772007;1516221124;fromloper;yeah, somehow a lot of potentially interesting people on social media end up mostly posting this kind of crap 1772008;1516221128;asciilifeform;think, somebody, somewhere, has the source code to ns. and the ns netlist , with comments, to the ivory. 1772009;1516221130;asciilifeform;he ain't sharing. 1772010;1516221144;asciilifeform;somebody shares ? i'll read, even if he also goes on re 'racism' 1772011;1516221147;asciilifeform;but somehow never happens. 1772012;1516221223;asciilifeform;somebody , maybe same old man, has a bookcase full of typewritten design apocrypha, memoes, etc. from ivory group. he ain't sharing either. 1772013;1516221262;asciilifeform;out of fear of usg ? or from vanity ( he thinks it can be sold for millions ? to whom ? ) he is burning his life's work. i have nfi why. 1772014;1516221288;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper 1772015;1516221288;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1772016;1516221294;fromloper;this document refers to Dave Moon's files several times; I've tried to find any public presence of Moon on the net, maybe a mail address - found nothing 1772017;1516221328;asciilifeform;funnily enuff a Dave Moon ran for election to some city dogcatcher post , not far from where i live. but on examination seems to be different d00d. 1772018;1516221339;asciilifeform;the original may well be dead 1772019;1516221347;asciilifeform;weinreb died a few yrs ago 1772020;1516221358;fromloper;Moon had an interview with Azul Systems' people in 2008 1772021;1516221367;fromloper;that's the last of him I found 1772022;1516221405;fromloper;https://blog.h2o.ai/2008/11/a-brief-conversation-with-david-moon/ 1772023;1516221437;asciilifeform;i recall this 1772024;1516221457;asciilifeform;and i haven't seen him anywhere since, either 1772025;1516221602;asciilifeform;http://users.rcn.com/david-moon/MMD/HTML/index.html << apparently was at least alive in 2016 1772026;1516221629;asciilifeform;( and same moon, e.g. http://users.rcn.com/david-moon/PLOT3/ ) 1772027;1516221653;asciilifeform;'Comments and criticisms to dave underscore moon atsign alum dot mit dot edu. ' << anybody tried ? 1772028;1516221697;asciilifeform;and now that we're on subj , where is, e.g., r. d. greenblatt ? 1772029;1516221701;asciilifeform;tom knight ? 1772030;1516221813;fromloper;so there is at least one possible address, gotta try it 1772031;1516221835;fromloper;Tom Knight is working with biologists 1772032;1516221842;asciilifeform;that was last i knew aha 1772033;1516221852;asciilifeform;0 to do with lispm, for ~3 decades 1772034;1516221858;asciilifeform;but apparently alive. 1772035;1516221905;fromloper;Richard Greenblatt helped with this in 2006 https://projects.csail.mit.edu/films/aifilms/AIFilms.html 1772036;1516221924;asciilifeform;and yes the ones still alive, all work ~somewhere~, symbolics did not make anybody aside from the yacht brahmins rich 1772037;1516221963;asciilifeform;( in usa for some reason it is traditional for ceo to be paid mega-bonus even when the company tanks ) 1772038;1516221991;fromloper;afaik Symbolics was changing CEOs like gloves 1772039;1516221996;asciilifeform;it was 1772040;1516222015;asciilifeform;whole buncha upper crust parasites gotta be buttered, apparently. 1772041;1516222054;asciilifeform;to be fair the company was not really a honest commercial co, moar like one of those unofficial usg research institutes, they proliferated under reagan and died with him 1772042;1516222088;asciilifeform;thinkingmachines co was another such. died same way. 1772043;1516222119;asciilifeform;there is an entire graveyard of these; it simply so happens that i am only interested in the lispm-flavoured ones 1772044;1516222131;asciilifeform;( where i know for a fact that they Had Something ) 1772045;1516222165;asciilifeform;for all i know, the one and only path to e.g. a room-temperature supercon, was found at one of the reagan scamola firms, and died with it, also. i simply do not know about it. 1772046;1516222274;fromloper;I also wanted to ask, did you figure out how to launch NS in VLM? I'm getting some Xlib error when I try to 1772047;1516222283;asciilifeform;nope. 1772048;1516222311;asciilifeform;i suspect that the copy on the Official genera disk, never worked. 1772049;1516222327;asciilifeform;but i never tried it under alpha, gotta try. 1772050;1516222354;asciilifeform;and iirc phf has a working ivory -- worth trying there also 1772051;1516222375;fromloper;I wonder if it's going to ask for a license key like Macsyma on the same disk does 1772052;1516222389;asciilifeform;nfi 1772053;1516222404;asciilifeform;there is, theoretically, a working disasm 1772054;1516222656;asciilifeform;fromloper: in re ivoryology, another unknown is the fep. virtually nothing is publicly known about the fep. 1772055;1516222696;asciilifeform;( for n00bz to the subj -- fep was an entire comp, mc68k, embedded inside bolix lispm, handled i/o and certain aspects of eggogology ) 1772056;1516222711;fromloper;Ivory still has mc68k? 1772057;1516222715;fromloper;in its FEP 1772058;1516222726;asciilifeform;afaik the standalone ones, did 1772059;1516222745;asciilifeform;the 'macivory' did not, used a proggy running on the mac. 1772060;1516222750;asciilifeform;( a 68k mac.. ) 1772061;1516222774;fromloper;is VLM's life support built out of that proggy? 1772062;1516222779;asciilifeform;nominally. 1772063;1516222893;fromloper;http://archive.is/zw03T << Rainer Joswig speaks of some secret team maintaining the emulator, I wonder if he means http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701489 1772064;1516222893;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 14:43 phf: i spent (mostly another whisperer and myself did) on getting vlm stable, and i'm unconvinced that some of the issues we encountered were purely "buggy vlm". there is, for example, a crash in floating point instruction that happens when you load document examiner on stock piratebay opengenera. i have no explanation for it still, because vlm code ~seems to do the right thing~. there are other similar instances 1772065;1516222926;asciilifeform;fromloper: i actually do not know anything re who, if anyone, maintains. aside from phf's admission to having a private fork, linked above. 1772066;1516222941;asciilifeform;( last i knew, phf did not publish his changes ) 1772067;1516222954;asciilifeform;i do not know why not. 1772068;1516222981;asciilifeform;this is a q that only he can answer, supposing he feels like answering. 1772069;1516222996;fromloper;well, he doesn't for some reason 1772070;1516223006;asciilifeform;re fp, i'll observe that bolix used a weitek fp unit 1772071;1516223015;asciilifeform;similar in fact to the one in everybody's old 486 1772072;1516223030;asciilifeform;and that if emulator's does not behave exactly same -- it will lead to barf, yes 1772073;1516223048;asciilifeform;and who even knows if weitek is fully documented somewhere. 1772074;1516223061;asciilifeform;( for all i know, bolix relied on some undocumented behaviour of it. ) 1772075;1516223098;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper 1772076;1516223099;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1772077;1516223824;asciilifeform;fromloper: currently i suspect that many, possibly majority, of serious bolix collectors, ~do not want~ there to be an accurate emulator. 1772078;1516223870;fromloper;I've read the whisperers discussion here, seems to be plausible 1772079;1516223878;asciilifeform;i -- want. and this is why by and large they do not talk to me. they know about my www, they knew where to find me. they also know that i will publicly and immediately leak any bolixologial document that i am given. and want to make emulator. and for this, i suspect, they do not talk to me. 1772080;1516223898;asciilifeform;this is a hypothesis. so far my best one. 1772081;1516223985;asciilifeform;some people spent $10k's on their collections of bolixiana. and imagine that these will become worthless if an accurate fpgalogical emulator appears. and for all i know , this is true. i simply don't care. 1772082;1516224023;asciilifeform;the ones who hoard secrets because they imagine that they have a ticket to being part of some future commercial revival of bolix, however -- those are idiots. 1772083;1516224031;asciilifeform;there will be no second coming of commercial bolix. 1772084;1516224075;fromloper;I'm curious what John C. Mallery intends to do with his property, other than collect support cheques 1772085;1516224097;asciilifeform;i asked this q here years ago, and to this day have no answer of any kind. 1772086;1516224118;asciilifeform;i suspect that there is no plan, the nsa cheques pay for his yachts and that's it. 1772087;1516224138;asciilifeform;and when he dies they will pay for his sons' yachts. etc 1772088;1516224165;fromloper;Kalman Reti said 4 years ago: "The problem is that the Symbolics IP is now owned by John Mallery; he has stated he has plans for making it available but so far (several years) has not yet done so." 1772089;1516224183;asciilifeform;right, why would he. why give away yacht. 1772090;1516224195;diana_coman;!!rate Covale` 1 euloran noob; found at least some of his way around 1772091;1516224198;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qC1SN/?raw=true 1772092;1516224234;diana_coman;!!v 7AC227FA1D46917538127FAB0D4C5C45FF8064838BE08A92A589F00E4374C08F 1772093;1516224234;deedbot;diana_coman rated Covale` 1 << euloran noob; found at least some of his way around 1772094;1516224242;Covale`;diana_coman ty 1772095;1516224244;asciilifeform;fromloper: if he gave it out, potentially someone else could bid on the support contract ( under american law, all contracts are theoretically publicly biddable . lockheed et al simply contrive to set up situation where no one else ~can~ perform a given contract ) 1772096;1516224263;asciilifeform;* all gov contracts 1772097;1516224381;fromloper;asciilifeform: maybe he'll give up if something happens to DKS and Kalman Reti so he'll be out of people capable to do the job, both of them are rather old 1772098;1516224398;asciilifeform;fromloper: i suspect not. because the 'support' is really ceremonial 1772099;1516224409;asciilifeform;neither dks nor reti are really needed, to provide this 'support'. 1772100;1516224433;asciilifeform;otherwise mallery would have long ago hired a 'spare' or two, and afaik he never has. 1772101;1516224451;asciilifeform;the racket is not , as far as i can tell, intended to outlive the current participants. 1772102;1516224481;asciilifeform;( and if it is, it is by playing usg piano correctly, rather than by training replacement retis ) 1772103;1516224709;*;asciilifeform bbl 1772104;1516224809;trinque;if so, how did folks this corrupt build anything worth having? 1772105;1516224938;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper 1772106;1516224939;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. 1772107;1516224948;asciilifeform;trinque: by being 40 yrs younger, lol 1772108;1516224950;fromloper;Mallery didn't do much for Symbolics before he bought it, outside of supplying it with CL-HTTP 1772109;1516224971;asciilifeform;cl-http was notorious for its fuckyou-license 1772110;1516225016;asciilifeform;but i'll admit that i know very, very little about mallery ( almost nothing is publicly known about him, he is an academic but not many publications in his name ) 1772111;1516225044;asciilifeform;what little clue there is, points to his having been an nsa asset since youth. 1772112;1516225101;asciilifeform;trinque: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-21#571209 oldie 1772113;1516225101;a111;Logged on 2014-03-21 04:58 mircea_popescu: understand that the most economic way to run the economy - now as during 1614 - is to just turn off all machinery, lock all warehouses and bury the key 1772114;1516225139;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770368 <- mod6 did you publish this anywhere? it seems I might even have another test-case for it.. (version 99994 dies on it complaining that .vpatch is invalid) 1772115;1516225139;a111;Logged on 2018-01-13 21:52 mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, I have created a blog post outlining the behavior changes in 99993. Please take a look and consider these changes. Let me know if you have any comments or questions! Thanks in advance. http://www.mod6.net/2018/99993/99993-changes.html 1772116;1516225145;fromloper;Mallery's project at MIT: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/home-page.html 1772117;1516225162;asciilifeform;'This project ran from October 1, 1993 to October 1, 1997.' 1772118;1516225174;asciilifeform;what he is being paid for TODAY, is not known afaik. 1772119;1516225193;fromloper;he is talking at "cyber security" conferences 1772120;1516225209;fromloper;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwRg5UUdlK4 1772121;1516225249;asciilifeform;d00d dun look so old. expect another 30-40 yrs of the dog sitting in the manger. 1772122;1516225291;asciilifeform;'Cyber space is an increasingly risky discourse and therefore will inevitably be securitised.' << exactly what i said: usg stuffed shirt. 1772123;1516225305;asciilifeform;observe sponsor 'raytheon'. 1772124;1516225311;fromloper;he's also on twitter, might nag him about it for laughs https://twitter.com/jcmallery_cyber 1772125;1516225330;asciilifeform;why not also nag the statueofliberty, or washington monument. 1772126;1516225357;asciilifeform;'John Mallery @jcmallery_cyber 25 Dec 2017 Declinism is a psyop of adversaries...it was spread before during the Vietnam war.' << ahahahaha gold 1772127;1516225448;asciilifeform;cheap nsa whore. 1772128;1516225516;mod6;diana_coman: you mean the patch for 99993? yeah, i pasted it in here.... lemme look for it quick. 1772129;1516225549;asciilifeform;hey fromloper , consider registering with deedbot ? 1772130;1516225551;asciilifeform;!!help 1772131;1516225551;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1772132;1516225557;asciilifeform;fromloper: i'll rate you 1772133;1516225600;fromloper;asciilifeform: alright, I'll do it 1772134;1516225800;asciilifeform;amazing 'морда просит кирпича' on mallery. 1772135;1516225817;asciilifeform;!#s face begs 1772136;1516225818;a111;3 results for "face begs", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=face%20begs 1772137;1516225859;asciilifeform;i was watching like usual with no audio. if anyone thinks i misses something thereby -- plox to write in. 1772138;1516225874;diana_coman;uh oh, it seems asciilifeform's v misbehaves too: when pressing a leaf that has genesis as antecedent it presses ALSO all other descendants of genesis from what I can tell 1772139;1516225885;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it does, this was discussed. 1772140;1516225894;asciilifeform;afaik the only correct vtron currently existing , in this respect, is phf's. 1772141;1516225913;diana_coman;ah, I missed that then, I thought yours was grabbing leaf by leaf too 1772142;1516225935;asciilifeform;nope. phf afaik has the 1 and only mechanically-correct vtron. mod6 has a prototype of the 2nd. 1772143;1516225942;asciilifeform;( i have not tried yet ) 1772144;1516225954;diana_coman;k, I'll try that as soon as mod6 finds the patch 1772145;1516225959;*;asciilifeform brb 1772146;1516226107;mod6;how do i search the logs for all the lines that I have said? 1772147;1516226124;trinque;!#s from:mod6 1772148;1516226125;a111;24335 results for "from:mod6", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amod6 1772149;1516226127;diana_coman;mod6, from:mod6 ? 1772150;1516226144;diana_coman;ha, super-fast trinque ! 1772151;1516226173;*;trinque blows on keyboard 1772152;1516226223;mod6;ooooh, i was doing "from: mod6" and getting very strange results. 1772153;1516226226;mod6;thx! 1772154;1516226269;mod6;diana_coman: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GwImt/?raw=true 1772155;1516226286;diana_coman;yay, thank you mod6 ! 1772156;1516226296;mod6;np. use that to patch 99994. 1772157;1516226301;mod6;up to 99993 1772158;1516226373;*;diana_coman goes to try 1772159;1516226467;fromloper;I'm going to join as amberglint now 1772160;1516226489;trinque;!!up amberglint 1772161;1516226489;deedbot;amberglint voiced for 30 minutes. 1772162;1516226505;amberglint;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tpxEH/?raw=true 1772163;1516226507;deedbot;A7E708351AF14BB5C8B48DA323264C245A4563B8 registered as amberglint. 1772164;1516226693;diana_coman;apparently patch worked, v reports now new version 1772165;1516226943;trinque;!!v A52E78CBF699C414F662B5E4849A1D843B5BB7B0FF282D1AD0622FEC36560AF5 1772166;1516226943;deedbot;trinque rated amberglint 1 << new blood 1772167;1516226954;trinque;amberglint: try to self-voice in pm with deedbot now 1772168;1516227053;asciilifeform;!!rate amberglint 1 bolixologist 1772169;1516227055;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VtIDe/?raw=true 1772170;1516227086;asciilifeform;!!v C119442E4976802D6E83E0D0AFA77098FD4FCB02AEAB5DC0DC965DCBF0A748B2 1772171;1516227086;deedbot;asciilifeform rated amberglint 1 << bolixologist 1772172;1516227155;amberglint;it's working, thank you 1772173;1516227161;asciilifeform;welcome, amberglint . 1772174;1516227181;asciilifeform;amberglint: want to say a bit re where you came from, how you found asciilifeform's www, etc ? 1772175;1516227219;asciilifeform;( or found #t first ? or other ? ) 1772176;1516227238;*;shinohai wonders if he should rate ben_vulpes as "bollocksologist" due to his recent trap encounters ..... 1772177;1516227245;asciilifeform;lol 1772178;1516227304;amberglint;asciilifeform: I can't remember how I found your www, I'm reading it since 2012 or so; I found trilema.com from one of your articles 1772179;1516227378;amberglint;I'm a software engineer, live in Russia 1772180;1516227680;asciilifeform;neato. 1772181;1516227714;amberglint;I was reading the logs for a while, thought about joining you earlier but felt a bit intimidated to be honest 1772182;1516227716;asciilifeform;amberglint: i assume you already know about the log ( btcbase.org/log & elsewhere ) then. 1772183;1516227762;amberglint;btcbase.org is the logotron of my choice 1772184;1516227788;asciilifeform;it was made by phf , address all complaints to him!1! 1772185;1516227819;amberglint;haven't had any issues with it, it's very handy 1772186;1516227823;asciilifeform;it is. 1772187;1516227945;asciilifeform;phf also from ru; and iirc so is apeloyee; asciilifeform from old su but marooned in usa; mircea_popescu speaks (more than he is willing to admit, lol) ru; possibly other folx, tuned in but still lurking, also. 1772188;1516228035;amberglint;yeah, I caught almost everyone ru-speaking in the logs though I didn't know about apeloyee 1772189;1516228066;asciilifeform;he's a very clever maths d00d. logs in every other week or so, nitpicks re fine points of ffa. 1772190;1516228072;asciilifeform;since iirc july of '17 or so. 1772191;1516228087;asciilifeform;!!born apeloyee 1772192;1516228090;asciilifeform;!#born apeloyee 1772193;1516228090;a111;2017-09-13 would O(N^2) modular multiplication be too slow? 1772194;1516228090;a111;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713496 1772195;1516228102;asciilifeform;sept. apparently. 1772196;1516228115;asciilifeform;but iirc he existed as a 'fromloper' prev. 1772197;1516228145;asciilifeform;!#s from:fromloper ffa 1772198;1516228145;a111;0 results for "from:fromloper ffa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Afromloper%20ffa 1772199;1516228148;asciilifeform;hm. 1772200;1516228155;amberglint;plenty of math-educated people here 1772201;1516228166;asciilifeform;(possibly he had other temp name, i cannot now recall.) 1772202;1516228186;asciilifeform;aha. mircea_popescu also at one time was a maths man. 1772203;1516228224;asciilifeform;and diana_coman , and possibly others. 1772204;1516228270;asciilifeform;and i know of at least 1 still-lurking d00d, who was. and who knows who else. 1772205;1516228788;amberglint;asciilifeform: have you read "Digital Design and Computer Architecture" by D. and S. Harris? I'm using it (in ru print translation) as my hardware handbook and I'm curious if you have any opinion on it 1772206;1516228813;asciilifeform;i have an old 'for india' eng edition here. 1772207;1516228830;asciilifeform;unremarkable schoolbook; slightly better imho than hennessey's 1772208;1516228886;asciilifeform;i do not like vhdl; and do not see the point of 'systemverilog' (vs classical); but these are my personal prefs 1772209;1516229141;amberglint;btw, one of Ivory and NS designers, Neil Weste, wrote his own schoolbook: http://pages.hmc.edu/harris/cmosvlsi/4e/index.html 1772210;1516229169;amberglint;with the same Harris 1772211;1516229235;asciilifeform;neato. 1772212;1516229260;asciilifeform;amberglint: do you have it ? anything unusual, ivoryistic inside it ? 1772213;1516229293;asciilifeform;the demo chapter seems to have a very, very detailed discussion of machine arithmetic. 1772214;1516229309;asciilifeform;with quite recent lit cited. 1772215;1516229309;amberglint;asciilifeform: I have a pdf somewhere, a quick look didn't notice anything Ivory-specific 1772216;1516229353;amberglint;it should be on gen.lib.rus.ec 1772217;1516229604;asciilifeform;i have a similar item , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1657241 , it proved to be of very, very limited help for ffa , the constraint of the pc arch limits the use of fancy adders etc 1772218;1516229604;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 22:10 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, 'finite precision number systems and arithmetic' (kornerup & matula, cambridge press) is mega-b00k, the only one i've found on subj that is NOT a mere plagiarism of knuth, has useful algos for e.g. carry-free ops, hardwarizations 1772219;1516229637;asciilifeform;ultimately i ended up using nothing at all from it. 1772220;1516229651;asciilifeform;but if i were designing asic -- yes, would use. 1772221;1516229711;asciilifeform;and weste's , too. it seems to contain many usable goodies for asicist. 1772222;1516229774;asciilifeform;unfortunately i do not have any way to make asic. as for fpga, none exist of the necessary size. ( see e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242 ) 1772223;1516229774;a111;Logged on 2018-01-04 20:06 asciilifeform: in other 'news', it is apparently impossible to fit even ONE 4096-bit adder into an ice40-8k ( the largest in the series ) 1772224;1516231874;amberglint;asciilifeform: do you know what this language is? http://users.rcn.com/david-moon/MMD/MMD.lunar looks like Moon's own invention 1772225;1516231987;asciilifeform;amberglint: PLOT ( http://users.rcn.com/david-moon/PLOT/ , http://users.rcn.com/david-moon/PLOT3/ . ) 1772226;1516231999;asciilifeform;seemed to me, to be an infix lisp, sorta like 'dylan' 1772227;1516232005;asciilifeform;( why he did this ? i do not know ) 1772228;1516232006;amberglint;he renamed it to Lunar, apparently 1772229;1516232033;amberglint;no one else seems to know or care about it, judging by google's output 1772230;1516232047;asciilifeform;http://users.rcn.com/david-moon/PLOT3/page-1.html << see also. 1772231;1516232071;asciilifeform;i read the linked manual in '08 and will admit that i did not find it very interesting. it is the same kind of dead end as dylan. 1772232;1516232089;asciilifeform;( and if anyone began to use it, would prolly end as same kind of catastrophe as e.g. ruby . ) 1772233;1516240927;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2146 << Loper OS - Rodenticide with the Seiko DPU414 Tape Printer. 1772234;1516248663;mircea_popescu;you know ftr trb node state of blockpool has improved tremendously. 1772235;1516248738;*;asciilifeform noticed 1772236;1516248744;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1772237;1516248751;asciilifeform;and ohai mircea_popescu ! 1772238;1516248761;asciilifeform;saw any crocodiles ? 1772239;1516248790;mircea_popescu;actually... just macaws. lots and lots and lots of macaws. 1772240;1516248989;asciilifeform;neato. 1772241;1516249180;danielpbarron;!!rate TomServo 1 fg customer 1772242;1516249182;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7LV3i/?raw=true 1772243;1516249538;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771636 << i have nfi what a binace is and i see no problem with random numbers fiatists assign to bitcoin fluctuating ~randomly. 1772244;1516249538;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 11:06 Techman: mircea_popescu: what isy our take on bitcoin dropping below 10K (at least on binance) 1772245;1516249616;mircea_popescu;o check it out asciilifeform "cardano" the coin is up 25%!!1 1772246;1516249625;mircea_popescu;"WORTH ALMOST TWO BILLION"!!11 1772247;1516249627;asciilifeform;lol!! 1772248;1516249640;asciilifeform;how is mpexcoin doing tho. 1772249;1516249646;asciilifeform;and bbeterium. 1772250;1516249664;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/input-output-hk/cardano-sl/ << for ulterior lulz 1772251;1516249710;asciilifeform;haskell no less 1772252;1516249721;mircea_popescu;"Cardano is a decentralised public blockchain and cryptocurrency project and is fully open source. Cardano is developing a smart contract platform which seeks to deliver more advanced features than any protocol previously developed. It is the first blockchain platform to evolve out of a scientific philosophy and a research-first driven approach. Thedevelopment team consists of a large global collective of expert engineers and 1772253;1516249721;mircea_popescu; researchers." 1772254;1516249773;asciilifeform;https://cardanofoundation.org also, didjaknow! 1772255;1516249792;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771642 << i don't see a problem with it necessarily, but it's not clear what may hide under rock #2. try and see i guess ? 1772256;1516249792;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 13:09 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771055 << My thought was to scrap the current client in favor of a customized one, with eucrypt protocol as the backbone. Is this 1. not what you want, or 2. a bad idea? 1772257;1516249804;asciilifeform;'The registered office of Cardano Foundation is: Cardano Stiftung, Gubelstrasse 11, 6300 Zug, Switzerland.' classy. 1772258;1516249807;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta have a foundation like tits gotta have a boar. 1772259;1516249820;asciilifeform;verily. 1772260;1516250161;mircea_popescu;crypto ag is zug-erstrasse, 6312 gubel, swizerland. 1772261;1516250163;mircea_popescu;geddit ? 1772262;1516250183;asciilifeform;lol! 1772263;1516250228;asciilifeform;holyfuq it ACTUALLY is.. 1772264;1516250248;asciilifeform;per https://www.crypto.ch/en/contact 1772265;1516250261;asciilifeform;pretty great. 1772266;1516250264;mircea_popescu;:) 1772267;1516250274;asciilifeform;a+++ trololol 1772268;1516250282;mircea_popescu;they just play trivial pursuit see. 1772269;1516250288;mircea_popescu;or what's the one with the mixing. 1772270;1516250297;mircea_popescu;o right. SYMMETRICAL CIPHER. 1772271;1516250445;asciilifeform;to think, somebody sat, sewed this. 1772272;1516250461;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771644 << nah not at all. just proposed what might've been an easy entry point. you dun like it you dun have to. 1772273;1516250461;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 13:15 esthlos: Rereading, seems clear that you want eulora's graphics engine. 1772274;1516250465;asciilifeform;previously i had it filed under perlisms. 1772275;1516250482;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it rather looks like the elaboratest trollcoin so far. 1772276;1516250507;asciilifeform;afaik gold star champion , aha. 1772277;1516250567;mircea_popescu;oh, damn, remember days of GoldStar 1772278;1516250930;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771704 << quite evidently that. 1772279;1516250930;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 15:30 asciilifeform: has apeloyee found a specific instance where it can be made to eggog ? or is this a hypothetical 'once less clueful people start changing things' observation ? 1772280;1516251376;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771717 << this is a great win, i'm glad he stuck with it. 1772281;1516251376;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 15:33 asciilifeform: really all routines oughta behave consistently in re input-overwrite. 1772282;1516251409;mircea_popescu;saying "well i can't protect car from usage of idiots" is one thing, but having the gas and break pedals not ever interchange is the other thing. 1772283;1516251534;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771729 << only sorta. 1772284;1516251534;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 15:39 apeloyee: does gnat provide a facility to check aliasing at runtime? 1772285;1516251673;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771743 << no such wonder exists. 1772286;1516251673;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 15:50 apeloyee: well, ideally it would have a "No_Out_Arguments_Aliasing" restriction which would insert runtime checks 1772287;1516252480;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771820 << one for each suspenders. 1772288;1516252480;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 17:42 asciilifeform: possibly there ought to be not 1 but... 4 null cells 1772289;1516252643;mircea_popescu;ima have to finish this megalog tomorro, too exhausted. 1772290;1516252675;asciilifeform;goodnight mircea_popescu 1772291;1516252683;*;asciilifeform also to bed. 1772292;1516274437;ave1;http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-a-signature/ script to build GNAT, now with signature and the result can compile ch1 1772293;1516287044;asciilifeform;ave1: neat 1772294;1516287283;shinohai;http://archive.is/n3JWg <<< Should just go ahead and make Barry Shillbert an official member of the Trump admin. 1772295;1516287423;asciilifeform;'The United States federal government has paid approximately half a million dollars to a private corporation to help various agencies conduct surveillance on the Bitcoin blockchain' << pretty lulzy, that's, e.g., 3 janitors, 2 clerks, 1 intern, for 1yr 1772296;1516287446;asciilifeform;and 'conduct surveillance' on publicly broadcast item, pretty rich. 1772297;1516287488;asciilifeform;oldscam, however, is old: 1772298;1516287490;asciilifeform;!#s noblis 1772299;1516287490;a111;13 results for "noblis", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=noblis 1772300;1516287525;shinohai;hah yeah, forgot about that. 1772301;1516287630;asciilifeform;'People who wish to avoid financial surveillance should consider using privacy-centric cryptocurrencies with opaque blockchains, such as Monero' << lol, oblig money shot saved for end 1772302;1516287649;*;asciilifeform had nfi that the monerists were still around 1772303;1516287666;asciilifeform;didn't that nonsense implode..? or was that z-somethingorother. 1772304;1516287693;*;asciilifeform has the 2 or 3 different 'z-' shitcoins perma-symlinked in head 1772305;1516287740;shinohai;"A promise from the SCAM coin team: We won't sleep until SCAM coin has been successfully listed on at least one shitty exchange." <<< Truth in advertising now I guess. 1772306;1516287761;shinohai;(New ICO token) 1772307;1516292551;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes dja happen to have a link to the original case of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569630 ? iirc you reported it, maybe 2014s 1772308;1516292551;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 15:15 mircea_popescu: gotta kyc in case the fat tard over at the us park administration gets tired of asking for special booth at burning man and wants to peruse pics of subtards licking fish through a screen of milk, gotta have the pics ready for him!!11 1772309;1516293059;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-28#1180271 possibly 1772310;1516293059;a111;Logged on 2015-06-28 07:17 punkman: http://www.rgj.com/longform/news/2015/06/26/blm-wants-vip-compound-burning-man/29318493/ 1772311;1516294855;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1772312;1516294863;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11800.0, vol: 28608.75009947 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11487.0, vol: 103165.57225643 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11815.0, vol: 9783.20905574 | Volume-weighted last average: 11572.9257097 1772313;1516296306;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-satisfyingly-have-sex-with-a-girl-under-12/ << Trilema - How to satisfyingly have sex with a girl under 12 1772314;1516296398;*;mircea_popescu rests easy in the knowledge he's penned the most outrageous item ever written in english, by such a margin as to permanently defy competition 1772315;1516296463;*;ben_vulpes tips hat 1772316;1516296518;asciilifeform;funnily enuff this is maybe the 5th or 6th trilema piece in a row that asciilifeform finished eating just prior to deedbot displaying 1772317;1516296524;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know what, i think that may be it. 1772318;1516296526;asciilifeform;and it is pretty great 1772319;1516296546;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc rss delay is 15mins 1772320;1516296633;shinohai;I wonder how long it would stay up if I posted it to r/TwoXChromosomes 1772321;1516296667;mircea_popescu;reddit is very VERY butthurt at http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ has trilema on some kind of master kill list. 1772322;1516296684;mircea_popescu;as if. 1772323;1516296845;asciilifeform;possibly gold medal trololol against angloroaches. 1772324;1516296879;asciilifeform;( in re the latest article ) 1772325;1516296971;shinohai;In which mircea_popescu demonstrates the `Loli-pop` 1772326;1516297015;mircea_popescu;i see it takes teh forum 5 minutes to figure out the easter egg in there... 1772327;1516297458;*;BingoBoingo baking blog post. 1772328;1516297584;mircea_popescu;so is diana_coman ; and earlier ave1 ! truly spectacular republica output these days! 1772329;1516297724;diana_coman;taking of baking, these eucrypt blog posts feel like cozonaci : always sort of growing more than I expect them, no matter what adjustment to expectations previous batch caused 1772330;1516297738;diana_coman;ugh, talking* 1772331;1516297871;mircea_popescu;ahahaha word. 1772332;1516298974;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/and-the-residency-process-has-started/ << Bingo Blog - And The Residency Process Has Started 1772333;1516298996;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2146&cpage=1#comment-18757 1772334;1516299093;*;BingoBoingo baking next post about the very sad hombre de Inglaterra 1772335;1516299328;asciilifeform;oh hey congrats BingoBoingo 1772336;1516299872;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/Eei43 << expensive afternoon for the cops 1772337;1516299889;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's just a step 1772338;1516299889;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did you ever publish the datacenter price details ? 1772339;1516299912;BingoBoingo;I don't recall if I did, will check and publish if not 1772340;1516299957;BingoBoingo;Oh, sad Englishman has to wait 1772341;1516300364;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/11/16/tbi-mid-november-update/ << Yeah, there's more numbers now. 1772342;1516300455;BingoBoingo;baking 1772343;1516301158;shinohai;BingoBoingo: You think that 'terp of yours can get us in on the Venezuelan Gov't ICO ? xD 1772344;1516301191;BingoBoingo;They leave Venezuala for reasons 1772345;1516301224;shinohai;ikr 1772346;1516301241;*;trinque has venezuelans living directly below. there was a long battle over whether THOOM THOOM THOOM was music 1772347;1516301243;trinque;it is not. 1772348;1516301284;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/ << Bingo Blog - Datacenter Costs 1772349;1516301298;BingoBoingo;^ For everyone. 1772350;1516301301;shinohai;trinque: I had the same issue with Mexicans. A little death metal solved it. 1772351;1516301324;BingoBoingo;trinque: Are you familiar with Regaeton? 1772352;1516301359;BingoBoingo;Or however the Brasileros spell it 1772353;1516301498;trinque;not familiar, only heard blaring out of lowriders now and then 1772354;1516301877;BingoBoingo;It's the default Brasilero music 1772355;1516301952;asciilifeform;unrelatedly , asciilifeform recently found out that you can still buy old-style SLC ('single layer') ssd. 100,000+ write cycle endurance instead of the ubiquitous MLC ('multi layer') ~10,000 . for approx 8x the cost. has, supposedly, considerably faster writes, also. 1772356;1516303337;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/the-sad-man-from-england/ << Bingo Blog - The Sad Man From England 1772357;1516303339;BingoBoingo;^ and asciilifeform before you ask, even if he is a spy he can't effectively because the girl he can't talk too is too smitten. 1772358;1516303435;BingoBoingo;Poor girl is just torturing herself waiting for him to make a move. 1772359;1516303437;asciilifeform;lol dafuq to do in uruguay with 0 spanish 1772360;1516303464;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Learn spanish, hang out with Brasileros who don't speak spanish 1772361;1516303558;BingoBoingo;Apparently one can have fun in Punta Del Este with zero spanish provided they have a Trump budget, but it is a serious WTFism. 1772362;1516303571;shinohai;Maybe he is still searching for an app for that! 1772363;1516303591;asciilifeform;even on pnoje there are language gamez etc 1772364;1516303593;BingoBoingo;And the Brasileros without spanish can usually get by on the latin language mutual intelligibity deal 1772365;1516303805;BingoBoingo;And there's an old USian chasing 80 degree temps for his arthritis and going to AA meetings that at least made an effort at memorizing phrases before he fucked off to Buenos Aires 1772366;1516303848;BingoBoingo;By all appearances though the Englishman is functionally taking his vacation on Facebook. 1772367;1516304851;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/18/eucrypt-chapter-6-keccak-transformations/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 6: Keccak Transformations 1772368;1516304854;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771854 << will be hard to keep at bay. 1772369;1516304854;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 18:07 asciilifeform: however this introduces explicit pointerism. ( though, i will add, NOT pointer-arithmetism ) 1772370;1516304875;mircea_popescu;phf check it out, keccak published. 1772371;1516304882;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj 1772372;1516304891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why hard ? 1772373;1516304919;mircea_popescu;stack as linked list has a notion of next item on stack, yes ? 1772374;1516304943;asciilifeform;right. but... i'ma let mircea_popescu eat rest of the thread 1772375;1516304950;*;mircea_popescu eats then 1772376;1516304992;mircea_popescu;ah you don't actually mean to use pointers, just a lisp-style memory emulator for the stack itself 1772377;1516305016;asciilifeform;( spoiler : you can trivially implement linked list without -- properly speaking -- pointers, but with integers, this also came up in the earlier 'lisp in ada' thread ) 1772378;1516305017;asciilifeform;aha. 1772379;1516305027;mircea_popescu;whereby the jump is in the item pointed to, not in the mechanism of pointing 1772380;1516305037;asciilifeform;so long as you don't use the heap, you more or less can dispense with traditional pointers. 1772381;1516305064;mircea_popescu;once you use "traditional" pointers, your "stack" is a heap. 1772382;1516305067;asciilifeform;( the ada passing by reference semantics give you almost anything that c programmers typically want from pointerism ) 1772383;1516305094;asciilifeform;ada working in normal mode typically won't even let you take a pointer of an object on the stack. 1772384;1516305131;asciilifeform;( you have to satisfy the compiler that it has exactly same 'life' as the item pointed-to. and in practice this is quite difficult. ) 1772385;1516305141;asciilifeform;currently ffa has 0 pointerism. 1772386;1516305246;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771869 << thinking about this, it seems that both a) a re-implementation of the lisp memory model is unavoidable for any serious purpose and b) the place where the rewrite will start is the stack ; are true. 1772387;1516305246;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 18:27 asciilifeform: speaking of which, could even have a stackmachine with circular ring for a stack. 1772388;1516305280;asciilifeform;it's next on asciilifeform's conveyor after ffa. ( this should not discourage anybody else from writing adatronic lisps of whatever type, however ) 1772389;1516305301;mircea_popescu;note how ffa ends up satisfying the greenspun rule, through the predictable entry point. 1772390;1516305326;asciilifeform;it already lives in the forth hole, lol 1772391;1516305338;mircea_popescu;why not actually do it then, and first construct an ada circular ring lisp-memory stack first ? 1772392;1516305370;asciilifeform;( i considered lispism, rejected for the given application strictly on account of moving-parts-count , 'p' gotta have parachute-level simplicity ) 1772393;1516305394;mircea_popescu;seems your stack wants to meld into that anyway. 1772394;1516305418;asciilifeform;it's a variant. not currently convinced that it is The Right Thing. 1772395;1516305429;mircea_popescu;so write it as a side point and see. 1772396;1516305437;asciilifeform;aha, it's on the side-point list. 1772397;1516305438;mircea_popescu;some possible things need to be made before it can be decided. 1772398;1516305452;asciilifeform;i got a megatonne of those . ( e.g. unrolled comba ) 1772399;1516305469;mircea_popescu;seems one of the most promising. 1772400;1516305626;phf;aye, i'll marry keccak to vdiff today or tomorrow to get a poc out. 1772401;1516305672;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771889 << that's ok, pipeline permablown anyway. 1772402;1516305672;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 18:54 asciilifeform: from pipeline-blowing pov -- expensive. 1772403;1516305695;diana_coman;phf, those are the keccak transformations; do you need the actual sponge? 1772404;1516305698;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apparently not. hence why unrolled comba was iirc 2x+ speedup 1772405;1516305723;asciilifeform;(unrolling doesn't do anything useful on archs with no pipeline) 1772406;1516305726;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ah, is it a two part item then ? 1772407;1516305738;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, yes, all that there is still only... first part 1772408;1516305755;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform don't tell me you didn't take your volkskomputi to the commissariat for the mandatory urine injections or what was it. 1772409;1516305775;diana_coman;padding, bitstream, sponge, oaep to follow; currently still in the works 1772410;1516305786;mircea_popescu;a damn, seems i shot too quickly. sorry phf 1772411;1516305799;*;mircea_popescu is overexcitable 1772412;1516305803;phf;never mind then! i gotta figure out how to do the whole "file moved part" anyway, and i don't need a hashing function yet. i'm using a sha512 implementation from busybox 1772413;1516305815;diana_coman;they will be grouped into as few chapters as possible of course 1772414;1516305819;asciilifeform;but but, does spreading work yet!11 1772415;1516305828;mircea_popescu;diana_coman cool deal then. 1772416;1516305925;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771903 << because didn't seriously think of the particular problem, which happens with prototypes. 1772417;1516305925;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 19:32 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the 'liable to change' thing was very much NOT part of my orig design for v. 1772418;1516305997;asciilifeform;worse, was thinking of very different ( and probably unsolvable ) problem ( 'how to give arbitrarily small pieces of code, a perma-history' ) 1772419;1516306007;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771907 << v is not at all pretending they are ; that's accidental misconstruction. 1772420;1516306007;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 19:34 apeloyee: files are NOT INDEPENDENT. despite CVS and v pretending they are. this is a problem. you could have required some form of cryptographic commitment to either the tree state or even the antedecent patches themselves, but didn't 1772421;1516306041;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite evident ; but yes, i believe wrong problem to solve. "oh lord, how could bits of code have an identity ?" "why ?" "so they could be my girflriends" "Come on!" 1772422;1516306130;mircea_popescu;the strong statement here is that the ~only~ possible identity bits of code have is based on ~personal memory~. to revisit the oft used bubblesort example -- any particular implementation of bubblesort IS bubblesort because ~you~ recognize it as such and for ~no other reason~, factual ~or possible~. consequently fits in head as the basis of code identity. 1772423;1516306166;asciilifeform;in what other way does anything fit-in-head ? 1772424;1516306175;mircea_popescu;and this identity is also fluent, because different things are the same thing, such as no further than earlier the "you really want a lisp stack". this recognition is only there because of personal knowledge, and absent otherwise. 1772425;1516306201;mircea_popescu;you could not have written such a tagging mechanism as it'd have permitted a machine to recognize the substance of what you were saying when discussing "pointers" which weren't. 1772426;1516306274;mircea_popescu;and all this goes right into that older thread of ambiguity, orthogonality and language -- you can never make a language that's orthogonal and ~useful~ in the natural sense. let alone "that anyone'd want to use". 1772427;1516306340;mircea_popescu;(but since we're on it -- the enduring interest in obfuscated-c is strictly this, "let us try and write a novel in orthogonal language ; this should be done in c because it's very much not orthogonal". became a self-recursing joke, that the practitioners don't even properly understand, just sorta-feel. BECAUSE they talk about it in natural languages.) 1772428;1516306734;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform is apeloyee actually http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+brother ? 1772429;1516306830;phf;that would be quite a twist 1772430;1516306840;asciilifeform;nope 1772431;1516306852;mircea_popescu;imagine, there's two of these out there! 1772432;1516306882;shinohai;asciilifeform would construct a death-ray and obliterate him from afar. 1772433;1516306890;mircea_popescu;he would ? 1772434;1516306938;phf;ascii vs brother doesn't strike me as that kind of relationship. more like "you have to learn much little one, and i have N years on you" 1772435;1516306956;mircea_popescu;but that's only one pov. 1772436;1516306975;mircea_popescu;inb4 apeloyee comes in, goes "oh, but actually... yes", alf is forever floored. 1772437;1516306999;asciilifeform;lol 1772438;1516307009;mircea_popescu;bread and butter of cheap fiction, "you don't know who your brother is" 1772439;1516307017;asciilifeform;i thought it was typically fathers 1772440;1516307025;asciilifeform;or is that just hollywoods 1772441;1516307034;mircea_popescu;hm. 1772442;1516307246;BingoBoingo; or is that just hollywoods << The Greeks did it! 1772443;1516307252;mircea_popescu;i can't think of major examples outside of the star wars thing (coulkdn't think of that either until pointed out). commedia is mostly brothers. 1772444;1516307329;phf;or lovers, like what is it, the two gentlemen of verona 1772445;1516307333;*;asciilifeform brb,meat 1772446;1516307342;*;mircea_popescu doesn't think greek tragedy is party to this discussion, but is overwhelmed by explaining why. 1772447;1516307401;phf;or midsummer night's dream 1772448;1516307404;mircea_popescu;if anyone is wondering, alf lives in a sausage plant. there's lots of meat. 1772449;1516307494;phf;i half expect it to be some kind of kafka narrative, where, when not engaged with tmsr business, alf actually does some macabre butcher work involving big meaty hands and slabs 1772450;1516307510;shinohai;Heh, in my my mind I always imagined asciilifeform living in abattoir because of the "brb, meats" 1772451;1516307579;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> if anyone is wondering, alf lives in a sausage plant. there's lots of meat. << been wondering if I should move in with him, or take bets on when he gets scurvy 1772452;1516307591;shinohai;lol 1772453;1516307602;BingoBoingo;From the WaPo: "Six buses operated by Silicon Valley tech companies to shuttle employees to their offices have been attacked on the highway over the past week. The California Highway Patrol reports that four Apple and one Google bus had their windows shattered on Tuesday by unidentified projectiles" 1772454;1516307679;shinohai;!!rate mats 3 #trilema - Never has let me go into battle with an empty war-chest. 1772455;1516307682;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ji5c9/?raw=true 1772456;1516308005;mod6;mircea_popescu: also, fwiw, we might need to adjust our "NO '--- ' or '+++ ' to begin a line in a vpatch to "NO '-- ' or '++ '". There was a vpatch in development where my vtron choked on a line being added into a source file that began with '++', and with the diff '+', became '+++'. My vtron correctly choked here. But maybe a bit of an adjustment to the rule? 1772457;1516308039;shinohai;!!v 2F07483E10CD3A025FAEE4979B80C922944C4199D4CA0C678A8CCF1BD47DF7FC 1772458;1516308040;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of mats from 2 to 3 << #trilema - Never has let me go into battle with an empty war-chest. 1772459;1516308057;*;shinohai tips hat to mats 1772460;1516308057;mircea_popescu;mod6 the magic string diff uses is "+++ " ie three plusses AND A SPACE 1772461;1516308104;mod6;yah, that's actually what it added up to: "+++ ", but no diff info / hash after it. 1772462;1516308114;mircea_popescu;hm. 1772463;1516308130;mircea_popescu;well, this is the curse of magic words. 1772464;1516308138;mod6;yah, food for thought here maybe. 1772465;1516308139;mircea_popescu;which line was it ? 1772466;1516308208;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZvDPR/?raw=true << diana_coman has all the details. 1772467;1516308240;mircea_popescu;ah 1772468;1516308244;mircea_popescu;yeah, looks like a killer. 1772469;1516308279;mircea_popescu;sadly, until phf's improved diff hits the deck there's nothing we can do here. 1772470;1516308395;mod6;*nod* sounds good. 1772471;1516308404;mod6;Thanks! 1772472;1516308454;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771920 << quite rly ; the south american south is remarkably peaceful, nobody needs (or wants) them for much. 1772473;1516308454;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 19:43 asciilifeform: fenómenos que "no tiene antecedentes" en el país << orly? 1772474;1516308476;mircea_popescu;pais is uruguay not you know, brazil. 1772475;1516308692;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771939 << this is quite it, for half of the problem ; for the other half -- ANYTHING is independent if you make it so, just put it in your genesis. 1772476;1516308692;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 19:55 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu's argument was that it is wrong to say that they could ~ever~ be properly independent. and that if they could be shown to be independent, they ought to be separate v-trees. 1772477;1516308791;mircea_popescu;nothing prevents you from saying "this is the genesis of apeloyee's fantastical funicular, it consists of a cog i stole from alf's exceptional exsudator, some other bits i wrote myself and various parts i forgot where i stole" ; but something QUITE fundamental prevents you from writing down "include #fucksticks" and to have a helpful paperclip pop out of nowhere in your emacs guts and declare "this so far looks like you're pu 1772478;1516308792;mircea_popescu;lling in stallman's deplorable dropsy". 1772479;1516308803;mircea_popescu;because it'd need guile to do and guile is shit. if for no other reason. comprende ? 1772480;1516308861;mircea_popescu;in other words, the only maker of independence in the realm of thought is the hand of man, and this can't be fixed. 1772481;1516308978;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771941 << it means the bar for what may be acceptable primitives is slightly lower than before ; this is not necessarily avoidable though, the advantage of having alphabet starts around having twenty or so letters only ; fifty letter "alphabet" is not much better than 5000 hieroglyphery. 1772482;1516308978;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 19:56 asciilifeform: however it DOES mean even ~more~ work for folx using v, than ever before. and not less. 1772483;1516309080;mircea_popescu;consider concretely the case of eucrypt's keccak. diana_coman is writing it as a direct derivation off genesis, meaning on extant v impls if one wanted to import it they could import JUST it, without the rest of eucrypt (it'll be pulled in later through the usual procedure in eucrypt itself). superficially this may seem like it encourages phf to go "o i know, i'll just link keccak patch into my codebase rather than regring (i 1772484;1516309081;mircea_popescu;e, copy/paste) it". 1772485;1516309119;mircea_popescu;the problem is that later on, eucrypt's smg_keccak will be pulled into the main to be used for purposes ; if EVEN LATER it gets a patch, phf will then not actually have a way to seamlessly "get just the patch", he will have to regrind at that time anyway. 1772486;1516309167;mircea_popescu;ie, this "independent parts in an automatic fashion" is a hope impossible in practice. the only way he can have it is if HE reads it, as it is found wherever it is found (eucrypt as it happens here), and then HE puts it in, as a regrind, ie, yes, "de novo" item. 1772487;1516309355;mircea_popescu;which is why the original "do not link across v trees" 1772488;1516312641;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772485 <- after things are put together by human hand it takes human hand to take them apart, yes, unsurprising; point is it's enough to choose and pick out of the desired vpatch what is relevant (i.e. for keccak in this example) and that's as far as it goes 1772489;1516312641;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 20:58 mircea_popescu: the problem is that later on, eucrypt's smg_keccak will be pulled into the main to be used for purposes ; if EVEN LATER it gets a patch, phf will then not actually have a way to seamlessly "get just the patch", he will have to regrind at that time anyway. 1772490;1516312673;mircea_popescu;diana_coman wgat "it" is here discussed ? 1772491;1516312711;diana_coman;in the "it takes human hand"? the thing put together needs taken apart of similar nature 1772492;1516312807;mircea_popescu; point is it's enough to choose < 1772493;1516312888;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772449 << normally 'meatspace' but i like phf's picture. 1772494;1516312888;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 20:31 phf: i half expect it to be some kind of kafka narrative, where, when not engaged with tmsr business, alf actually does some macabre butcher work involving big meaty hands and slabs 1772495;1516312902;asciilifeform;( and it ain't too far from the troof... ) 1772496;1516312932;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772453 << this has been a regular thing since at least '14 1772497;1516312932;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 20:33 BingoBoingo: From the WaPo: "Six buses operated by Silicon Valley tech companies to shuttle employees to their offices have been attacked on the highway over the past week. The California Highway Patrol reports that four Apple and one Google bus had their windows shattered on Tuesday by unidentified projectiles" 1772498;1516313031;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772477 << in ideal vtron, the 'and i stole x from a, y from b...' is protocolic, rather than promisetronic. i.e. abolition of eyeball-powered diff. 1772499;1516313031;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 20:53 mircea_popescu: nothing prevents you from saying "this is the genesis of apeloyee's fantastical funicular, it consists of a cog i stole from alf's exceptional exsudator, some other bits i wrote myself and various parts i forgot where i stole" ; but something QUITE fundamental prevents you from writing down "include #fucksticks" and to have a helpful paperclip pop out of nowhere in your emacs guts and declare "this so far looks like you're pu 1772500;1516313055;asciilifeform;eyeball-powered diff, when there is a mechanical one, is nuttery 1772501;1516313071;diana_coman;I always read asciilifeform's "meat" along the lines of "call of the annoying reality of existence in human form" 1772502;1516313079;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this is correct picture. 1772503;1516313177;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there can't be such a wonderous protocol. in no small part because the PRINCIPAL FUNCTION of the human hand is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768461 1772504;1516313177;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 16:41 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768160 << haha well this answers http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767425 then. 0 useful. 1772505;1516313194;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772483 << it's still annoying that , if i import it, and then years later query 'origin' of something, it only can trace back to my own genesis. and not to birth. 1772506;1516313194;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 20:58 mircea_popescu: consider concretely the case of eucrypt's keccak. diana_coman is writing it as a direct derivation off genesis, meaning on extant v impls if one wanted to import it they could import JUST it, without the rest of eucrypt (it'll be pulled in later through the usual procedure in eucrypt itself). superficially this may seem like it encourages phf to go "o i know, i'll just link keccak patch into my codebase rather than regring (i 1772507;1516313202;mircea_popescu;diana_coman obviously ; but the trick is that "meat" also means dick. 1772508;1516313237;asciilifeform;the only organ made of meat!11 1772509;1516313240;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no such birth. all words are is empty coin, long bereft of any original gold, all that's left is the congeal spit of successive generations. thesis is in some trilema somwwhere 1772510;1516313272;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is no way to weasel out of the fact that the info is available, but simply ignored by ineptly made vtron. 1772511;1516313282;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, everything also means dick or cunt, depending on pov 1772512;1516313309;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform show me this. 1772513;1516313328;asciilifeform;will show, after tea , brb 1772514;1516313340;diana_coman;see, there is also tea which is pointedly not meat!! 1772515;1516313358;mircea_popescu;that's when he meditates over the leaves. 1772516;1516314189;asciilifeform;lol 1772517;1516314381;asciilifeform;re earlier item -- if i want to demonstrate that 'alf's exceptional exsudator' consists of diana_coman's magic prime number maker, all 100,000 ln of it verbatim, plus 5 ln of asciilifeform's , this is now a proposition that has to be proven manually. whereas theoretically it is a mechanically resolvable q. 1772518;1516314404;asciilifeform;and therefore ought to be resolvable mechanically as part of ordinary v operation. 1772519;1516315118;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772514 >> oblig >> http://pbfcomics.com/comics/the-golden-ticket 1772520;1516315118;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 22:09 diana_coman: see, there is also tea which is pointedly not meat!! 1772521;1516315142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no such "ghost of moses in the letters". 1772522;1516315171;mircea_popescu;the only one who can decide that two texts are the same text is one versed in the text. that's why they even needed fucking monks in the first place. 1772523;1516315174;asciilifeform;can proclaim 'there is not' all you like. my copy of diff still works. 1772524;1516315189;mircea_popescu;in the same sense your copy of patent medicine still works. 1772525;1516315199;mircea_popescu;yes -- it does work, in the way such works work. 1772526;1516315232;mircea_popescu;then you bite the subtle bugs resulting from subtle manipulations of state at the outskirts, which is what nsa rats live off of. 1772527;1516315234;asciilifeform;if 2 strings are bitwise-identical -- they are the same. if mircea_popescu in his own house insists that trained gurlz with magnifying glasses compare them, before he will consider them to be same, that is his biznis 1772528;1516315249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. you find the subtle-manipulators and string'em up. 1772529;1516315250;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing. because, http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/ 1772530;1516315261;mircea_popescu;two bitwise-identical strings are not thereby the same thing. 1772531;1516315262;asciilifeform;and nomoar 'subtle'-anythings at the edges. 1772532;1516315266;mircea_popescu;if i say it -- it's a thing. if not.. hurr. 1772533;1516315322;asciilifeform;afaik the 'idiot comes up with worthwhile item by accident' is a wholly imaginary problem. never seems to actually happen. 1772534;1516315356;trinque;ahembitcoinahem 1772535;1516315401;asciilifeform;trinque: entirely conceivable that it was an edison-like production 1772536;1516315426;asciilifeform;( the 1 item d00d actually came up with, phonograph, was made by hired hands. the man could not machine to save his life ) 1772537;1516315466;asciilifeform;the 'bitcoin by lone idiot' model cannot be ruled out , but nothing requires us to eat it by default. 1772538;1516315555;mircea_popescu;but this happens all the fucking time right here, too! take the... well i can't fucking find it now, but there's a line in the log where phf goes "hey, your trying to do the mp rant comes out short, you;'re not mp". why the fuck not! had all the bits!!1 1772539;1516315561;mircea_popescu;it happens A LOT more often than you count. 1772540;1516315568;asciilifeform;evidently not-all, neh 1772541;1516315577;mircea_popescu;all is an undefined symbol here. 1772542;1516315827;asciilifeform;i'ma approach from different angle : mircea_popescu , what do you think is the advantage of v over mere pile of signed tars ? 1772543;1516315907;asciilifeform;the only thing it's got, is the deltas. and i can't see why they shouldn't 'go back to moses' if this is physically possible. 1772544;1516316000;asciilifeform;at the same time i dun think that i actually disagree with mircea_popescu re the granularity. we don't have the tech to make granularity 'at procedure level' work. 1772545;1516316226;asciilifeform;i'd like to revisit upstack , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772421 << this is somewhat of a misconception. asciilifeform did not salivate over a 'programmer's paradise' when wrote v. on the contrary. v , as he pictured it, is a weapon of rodenticidal war. specifically to ferret out and neutralize not only the compromised people, but the politically unreliable and the dubious of whatever type. hence the focus on attribution, and 1772546;1516316226;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 20:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite evident ; but yes, i believe wrong problem to solve. "oh lord, how could bits of code have an identity ?" "why ?" "so they could be my girflriends" "Come on!" 1772547;1516316226;asciilifeform;the desire to abolish cutandpasteism. 1772548;1516316302;asciilifeform;hence design decisions like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771908 . the expectation is that the dubious people who 'live on the edges', are GONE. 1772549;1516316302;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 19:35 asciilifeform: apeloyee: see the quite 'flammable' log from that thread. i put the burden of correct operation ~100% on the human operator. 1772550;1516316320;asciilifeform;and anybody found 'edging' is held to answer. 1772551;1516316366;asciilifeform;cutandpasteism makes muddled authorship socially acceptable, and this in fact is what rats feed on. 1772552;1516316729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for one thing, v is a structured pile of signed tars. 1772553;1516316755;asciilifeform;may as well also say 'of bytes' lol 1772554;1516316762;mircea_popescu;of words. 1772555;1516316763;asciilifeform;it ain't the sum of the parts. 1772556;1516316780;mircea_popescu;no text is the "Sum" of its parts in any rigurously definition of sum. 1772557;1516316796;asciilifeform;dunno, redditola comes close 1772558;1516316804;mircea_popescu;note that you specifically want ~sources~ not binaries. why ? 1772559;1516316816;asciilifeform;deltas. 1772560;1516316826;asciilifeform;~minimal~ deltas. 1772561;1516316830;mircea_popescu;"oh, more readable". this is bs, hence all your comments about "disasm" throughout up to today. 1772562;1516316839;asciilifeform;disasms are actually a bitch to diff. 1772563;1516316846;asciilifeform;even when they differ by 1bit. 1772564;1516316854;mircea_popescu;the only true knowledge of the machine's view is the binary. but you are not interested in that, you are interested in intension and a particular sort of meaning, 1772565;1516316867;asciilifeform;interested in the most compact accessible diff representation. 1772566;1516316871;asciilifeform;whichever that happens to be. 1772567;1516316881;mircea_popescu;rather, interested in the most compact notation of intent 1772568;1516316889;mircea_popescu;as opposed to most accurate description of function. 1772569;1516316889;asciilifeform;( compactness both of the diff and of the wholes that were diffed. ) 1772570;1516316961;mircea_popescu;as a subpoint, it is true copy/pasteism makes muddled "authorship" socially acceptable, and this is a great thing, and the perfect bullet to kill usg."intellectual property" with ; but it does NOT make responsibility any weaker, and thereby feeds no rats. 1772571;1516316976;asciilifeform;this is the part i dunget. 1772572;1516316979;mircea_popescu;i will not care one wit whether author of package i use copied or wrote offending bit. signed it -- that's that. 1772573;1516316981;asciilifeform;all muddles feed rats. 1772574;1516317012;mircea_popescu;if this were true nuclear reactors would be fulla rats. they... aren't. gluon muddle, and yet... 1772575;1516317014;asciilifeform;precisely because they dilute the responsibility. 1772576;1516317019;mircea_popescu;how ? 1772577;1516317045;asciilifeform;the 1 usg mole who inserts boobytrap, and the 15 chekists who failed to find him, in my book do NOT have equal responsibility. 1772578;1516317069;mircea_popescu;why do you imagine you'd even see all of these ? 1772579;1516317070;asciilifeform;the 15 are to answer for ~their~ sin. 1772580;1516317079;mircea_popescu;the 2 who failed to find, whom you rated, you unrate. 1772581;1516317095;mircea_popescu;this system is designed to work well, not to work thoroughly. it requires no such panopticonism as you envisage. 1772582;1516317103;asciilifeform;well in cutandpasteism world, there is not 1 mole and 15 chekists. there are 16 signers, is all. 1772583;1516317112;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1772584;1516317113;asciilifeform;if you refuse to distinguish authorship from signature. 1772585;1516317120;asciilifeform;and this is The Wrong Thing. 1772586;1516317131;mircea_popescu;and whenever someone signs something not-good, ima have their head. 1772587;1516317154;asciilifeform;i'd rather have 1 usg head and 15 living friends. 1772588;1516317173;mircea_popescu;this is a hallucinated counterworld. 1772589;1516317191;asciilifeform;all hypothetical worlds are hallucinated, lol 1772590;1516317207;mircea_popescu;yes but the problem with this one is that it is fundamentally incompatible with reality. 1772591;1516317214;asciilifeform;howssat 1772592;1516317225;mircea_popescu;how do you propose to distinguish one among the 16 ? 1772593;1516317243;asciilifeform;1 originated. the rest not. 1772594;1516317266;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "moses fingered one". the idea is, something within your hand, not some sort of religious fiction. 1772595;1516317282;asciilifeform;mr.x signed 'i wrote ....' , 15 checkists signed 'i witness thereby that mr.x last night had wrote...' 1772596;1516317290;asciilifeform;the time parameter is real. 1772597;1516317312;asciilifeform;one's a sig, 15 are sigs of a sig. 1772598;1516317319;asciilifeform;physically separable entities. 1772599;1516317326;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the problem of time in this system, which promises to be gnarly (time where ?), would it TRULY make you feel better about systemd if the blond schmuck whose name i forget claimed alien possession ? 1772600;1516317356;asciilifeform;i'm unaware of any muddle re whodunit in systemdism 1772601;1516317362;asciilifeform;the perp is loud, proud. 1772602;1516317373;mircea_popescu;question stands as asked. 1772603;1516317431;asciilifeform;learning 'on whose orders' mole worked, is not valueless 1772604;1516317449;mircea_popescu;how about this "mechanical borrowing" system you proposes ACTUALLY weakens responsibility, because the 15, instead of taking seriously their true deed, which IS in fact authorship-indistinguishable, rather aim to hide behind a claim of "hey, we merely work here, signing signatures" a sort of "well i really wanted to X and the only part Y available was Koch's so don't blame me" 1772605;1516317460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no possibility of such learning. 1772606;1516317492;asciilifeform;without attribution , it is impossible to determine who even ~is~ the mole. 1772607;1516317505;mircea_popescu;or care. or in any other bakchand way re-import the empire of stupid into existence. 1772608;1516317507;asciilifeform;because any given item can have 'simply appeared' 1772609;1516317543;asciilifeform;the idea is to expunge anyone who so much as shows a hint of 'i merely work here', as an unreliable element. 1772610;1516317551;mircea_popescu;right. 1772611;1516317552;asciilifeform;if you even have them within smelling distance, your system is broken. 1772612;1516317578;mircea_popescu;what is your standard of proof anyway ? suppose x claims that koch works for weimer ; and y claims weimer works for koch. how do you distinguish these claims ? 1772613;1516317608;asciilifeform;obviously can't distinguish. not unless all 3 are in the room, hanging upside down and plugged into the mains. and perhaps not even then. 1772614;1516317621;mircea_popescu;so then what specifically are you trying to translate into protocol here ? 1772615;1516317627;asciilifeform;what i want is more modest thing -- to know who made a particular change. in all cases. 1772616;1516317641;mircea_popescu;change, yes. just not really know who made a particular genesis, is all. 1772617;1516317646;mircea_popescu;the goddess made all genesises. 1772618;1516317651;asciilifeform;incl the change from nonexistence. 1772619;1516317659;mircea_popescu;this can not be had. 1772620;1516317671;asciilifeform;in the general case, cannot 1772621;1516317675;asciilifeform;in particular cases - can. 1772622;1516317681;mircea_popescu;children are born out of an unamed, indistinct wall of cunt. the only point of interest is which father signed off on it. 1772623;1516317739;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu posting from something like a beehive , on distant world 1772624;1516317741;mircea_popescu;and in particular cases, you can make a note to self. 1772625;1516317774;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this planet ; the planet where men have tried for 50 centuries to tell the woman "make me a son, and one that's not idiotic, and not too expensive" and she brought whatever shrubbery she brought. 1772626;1516317778;mircea_popescu;because... it's what it is. 1772627;1516317792;asciilifeform;no but i like the image of literal wall-o-cunt, lol 1772628;1516317797;mircea_popescu;:p 1772629;1516317812;*;trinque lost it at shrubbery 1772630;1516317850;mircea_popescu;but the sheer insanity to attempt a protocol built on a knowledge that it dun work in the general case, but in some particulars. what is this, building unix ?! 1772631;1516317882;asciilifeform;almost nothing is doable for general case. 1772632;1516317890;asciilifeform;e.g. proving haltability. 1772633;1516317897;asciilifeform;but for specific case -- doable. 1772634;1516317917;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, as a matter of course, your protocol must work in all cases it purports to cover or it isn't. 1772635;1516317948;asciilifeform;'work' in this item means to provide the answer if it is available. and silence if it is not. 1772636;1516317963;asciilifeform;this is an attainable thing. 1772637;1516317967;mircea_popescu;it would appear to me the "copy what you want into your tree" provides exactly that. 1772638;1516317998;asciilifeform;it flattens histories. 1772639;1516318007;mircea_popescu;note if you will that "bubblesort", while a fully defined symbol, does not actually denote any specific implementation as such. 1772640;1516318024;asciilifeform;i do not understand why histories ever must be flattened. 1772641;1516318039;mircea_popescu;this turns into an interesting inverse case of "the code is not the spec", whereby... the spec is not the code. 1772642;1516318055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because in some parts they're fictitious (read : unknowable) histories. 1772643;1516318070;mircea_popescu;only that can be history, which can be ascertained. 1772644;1516318121;asciilifeform;neither 'is' the other. just as drawing of kalash is not a kalash, you cannot fire it. and conversely, physical, firable kalash is not the drawing, the parts are wherever they are in the tolerance range, to make more from the 1 example you will have to redraw the drawing and determine the tolerances. 1772645;1516318140;mircea_popescu;but tell me asciilifeform who invented bubblesort ? who, "the egyptian" multiplication ? who, the lisp memory model ? who invented anything ? 1772646;1516318147;mircea_popescu;"oh, von neumann invented the 486". really tyvm. 1772647;1516318152;asciilifeform;the relationship that exists between the kalash and its drawing, is not an 'is'. 1772648;1516318175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: observe that i did not ask for a v that deals in ~concepts~, only mechanisms. 1772649;1516318186;asciilifeform;nobody in my lifetime will make a 'concepts v.' 1772650;1516318231;mircea_popescu;so then you propose the xor variable flip was invented by whom ? what tree do i import when i do it ? 1772651;1516318243;asciilifeform;it ain't an import. 1772652;1516318253;mircea_popescu;what is ? 1772653;1516318255;asciilifeform;nuffin in ffa is an import, in classical v, or in asciilifeform's ideal v 1772654;1516318266;asciilifeform;or in any other. whole thing written from vacuum. 1772655;1516318276;mircea_popescu;note though that there WERE some disputes re its utility/feasibility! that cropped up in discussion! remember ? 1772656;1516318283;asciilifeform;i'll repeat, i do not ask for a v that understands 'essences' or makes any such attempt. 1772657;1516318285;mircea_popescu;with what original shall the machine compare ? 1772658;1516318298;mircea_popescu;you say you aren't, but... 1772659;1516318321;asciilifeform;speaking strictly of text. 1772660;1516318335;mircea_popescu;if your desire can't be made to work in elementary cases, how would it work at all, is the bojum here. what, xor assignment gets a free pass, but "any program longer than 6 lines magically becomes attributable" ?> 1772661;1516318353;asciilifeform;it gets attributed if it previously appeared under a signature somewhere. 1772662;1516318356;asciilifeform;and if not, not. that simple. 1772663;1516318397;mircea_popescu;the ~type~ of problem that cropped up with the xor assignment (whereby -- careful at context X might shoot self in foot) is ~exactly~ and with no remainder the type of problem we are fighting, whereby "oh, this ssl totally works for rsa, except... when it does not" 1772664;1516318429;asciilifeform;as i said to apeloyee, in NO case can it be guaranteed that the parts cannot be cut up and re-sewn into a subtly broken shape. 1772665;1516318434;asciilifeform;hence why i sign the whole, and not 'routine' 1772666;1516318438;mircea_popescu;quite. 1772667;1516318497;mircea_popescu;there is no implicit attribution of text ~specifically because~ there is no ghost of moses caught in the letters anymore than there's soul intertwined in the brain. 1772668;1516318537;asciilifeform;and i will say, ftr, that invocation of ANY ffa components on ANY overlapping segments, is an abuse. and there is not in fact any way to guarantee correctness , if such a thing is permissible. 1772669;1516318560;mircea_popescu;say it in the fucking comments of ffa, not here, at that. 1772670;1516318572;mircea_popescu;what literate code is all about, nothing keeps you from putting a philosophy.preamble file in there. 1772671;1516318579;asciilifeform;it is going into ch8 1772672;1516318581;mircea_popescu;on the exact contrary, everyone wants nothing else. 1772673;1516318582;mircea_popescu;good. 1772674;1516318592;asciilifeform;previously thought that it was obvious. 1772675;1516319034;mircea_popescu;that's kinda how that goes. 1772676;1516319085;mircea_popescu;and, back to the trunk, we've not even discussed the horror of translation. suppose you write a thing, in ada. suppose another, who works on a lisp tree, takes your thing and identically translates it to lisp (here defined, that on any correct machine his code will in all cases behave indentically to yours). what's your v to do here ? 1772677;1516319099;asciilifeform;nothing! 1772678;1516319108;asciilifeform;how many time do i gotta say it, i do not ask for a concepts-v. 1772679;1516319111;asciilifeform;text-v strictly. 1772680;1516319117;mircea_popescu;suppose yet another one takes your thing, fixes a bug, and says "this genesis also includes exactly alf's thing verbatim, except for this subtle bug i fixed". thereby... these are different, yes ? 1772681;1516319129;mircea_popescu;man saying "this is of x" is the only marginal history available here. 1772682;1516319131;asciilifeform;different if the difference can be written as a program. 1772683;1516319144;asciilifeform;which i am satisfied performs the requisite diff and comes up with the expected answer. 1772684;1516319165;asciilifeform;the 'includes verbatim' proposition is mechanically answerable. 1772685;1516319182;asciilifeform;anything pertaining to 'conceptual' identities --- is not. 1772686;1516319186;mircea_popescu;paternity is purely conventional in this strong sense. among us, we may think r,s & a invented rsa. among some gray beards somewhere else, they may well know better. 1772687;1516319189;asciilifeform;( as per chaitin et al ) 1772688;1516319208;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which is why i won't touch concepts-paternity. 1772689;1516319210;asciilifeform;strings strictly. 1772690;1516319221;mircea_popescu;yes, but the code we review is not strictly speaking text. 1772691;1516319230;mircea_popescu;i can't be the only one who translates code as a routine attempt at understanding wtf. 1772692;1516319266;asciilifeform;i'm pretty curious nao what this looks like in typical practice 1772693;1516319316;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "what it looks like". it looks like, say, v! 1772694;1516319327;mircea_popescu;"code your own", why is that even there. 1772695;1516319329;asciilifeform;no, the 'translate code in attempt to understand' item 1772696;1516319333;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1772697;1516319356;*;mircea_popescu has been encouraging people to do just that since just about its inception 1772698;1516319390;asciilifeform;it is not actually clear to asciilifeform that code ~can~ be properly speaking translated. 1772699;1516319395;asciilifeform;consider a translation of ffa to c 1772700;1516319406;mircea_popescu;well, the attempt to translate v proved itself extremely productive neh. 1772701;1516319416;asciilifeform;from certain pov it is 'same', but if you were to change ANYTHING -- you can now get segfault. whereas in original, it was not physically possible. 1772702;1516319429;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because it was reimplementation, rather than translation. 1772703;1516319441;mircea_popescu;and yet a bundle of c that produces exact same binary as your ada compiler does -- could be written 1772704;1516319445;asciilifeform;could! 1772705;1516319451;mircea_popescu;(for a better c complier, less "optimizing" at least) 1772706;1516319467;asciilifeform;there's at least 1 lisptron that actually worked this way 1772707;1516319470;asciilifeform;(iirc 'chicken') 1772708;1516319472;mircea_popescu;right. 1772709;1516319480;mircea_popescu;so, yes, ~can~. 1772710;1516319487;asciilifeform;the result, however, is not in any sense 'translation', it is more of a compilation. 1772711;1516319490;mircea_popescu;would look like all gnarl, but anyway. 1772712;1516319495;asciilifeform;the output cannot be for any practical purpose worked with human hands. 1772713;1516319500;mircea_popescu;right. 1772714;1516319521;asciilifeform;sorta the situation for which we even have word 'compilation' 1772715;1516319524;asciilifeform;in re proggy. 1772716;1516319531;mircea_popescu;exactly like that. 1772717;1516319587;asciilifeform;and incidentally whenever i translate something to engl , from ~anything else, ~same flavour. 1772718;1516319601;mircea_popescu;yes, well, computer languages are supposed to not do that. 1772719;1516319612;asciilifeform;i must've missed this memo. 1772720;1516319613;mircea_popescu;but of the crooked timber... 1772721;1516319625;asciilifeform;because they not only do it, but exaggeratedly, cartoon-coloured, do it. 1772722;1516319642;mircea_popescu;if they were properly orthogonal-ized they would not, is the whole idea. 1772723;1516319785;asciilifeform;upstack re the impossibility of translating the safety of an ada program's nearby-modifications-phasespace to c -- i suspect that mircea_popescu's thesis re 'files are not separate units' not only is troo, but does not go far enuff : 1772724;1516319809;asciilifeform;program is not meaningfully separable from ~all~ of the necessary parts to make it go. 1772725;1516319818;mircea_popescu;sadly this is likely so. 1772726;1516319820;asciilifeform;compiler, etc., machine. 1772727;1516319834;asciilifeform;there is 'edge space', as things are , also there. 1772728;1516319839;mircea_popescu;for instance -- leaky machine will make your rsa impl leak 1772729;1516319850;asciilifeform;consider every other week somebody shows up with 'i have gnat 2014 and...' 1772730;1516319869;mircea_popescu;we are currently handwaving this, but it's there alright. 1772731;1516319873;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some value of 'leaky machine' , quite obviously will 1772732;1516319889;asciilifeform;maybe it broadcasts every cpu register on 'voice of america', who knows 1772733;1516319897;asciilifeform;somebody, somewhere, has such a machine. 1772734;1516319897;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772646 << invented mergesort, to do the man justice. 1772735;1516319897;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 23:29 mircea_popescu: "oh, von neumann invented the 486". really tyvm. 1772736;1516319920;mircea_popescu;who even knows this, left as separate issue. 1772737;1516319930;asciilifeform;i'll give concrete example. : 1772738;1516319960;asciilifeform;the use of comba , and in fact of ANY multiplier that compiles into having a x86 MUL instruction anywhere in it, is unsafe on intel celeron. and ppc32. and possibly ppc64. 1772739;1516319967;asciilifeform;they shortcut-on-zero when MULing. 1772740;1516319976;asciilifeform;only egyptological mul can be used on such machines. 1772741;1516319979;mircea_popescu;an example of plenty available. 1772742;1516319990;asciilifeform;( preferably if you have such a machine -- throw it out!! now! ) 1772743;1516319996;mircea_popescu;btw, apropos of unrelated ancient thread : does your hatred of cyclotrons extend to desy as well ? no gluons for you ? 1772744;1516320031;mircea_popescu;(before the large cern one, a smaller all-german item existed, proved most of modern physics, including all sorts of quark properties, laid the groundwork for eventual finding of top quark, etc) 1772745;1516320048;asciilifeform;not so much even that 'hate', but observed that current-day practitioners are proliferators of factolade, and not unifiers. 1772746;1516320070;asciilifeform;the troo wothy, is the man who SHRINKS the textbook. 1772747;1516320075;mircea_popescu;desy is perhaps the golden age of german science, and rather inseparable in any case. 1772748;1516320265;asciilifeform;i respect folx who do honest work, even on particle zoos. just as i respect that cataloguers of rare birds in the jungle ; it is not a wholly pointless thing. but it is not comparable to heaviside, who walked into a room with 22 equations and came out with 4. 1772749;1516320311;asciilifeform;( incidentally there is -- imho wholly without merit -- a school of physical-crackpotteristic thought that holds that he botched the job. ) 1772750;1516320313;mircea_popescu;yes well. 1772751;1516320938;asciilifeform;oh hey in the new mircea_popescu article : the item re 'cruise ship'. asciilifeform confesses, he never understood what is the appeal 1772752;1516320945;asciilifeform;why put a shit hotel on a boat ? 1772753;1516320968;mircea_popescu;"if the nazis come -- can sail away" "really bitch ? never heard of uboats ?" "THOSE WOULD BE ILLEGAL" 1772754;1516320982;mircea_popescu;such an utterly fragile item your eyes water, like from onion. 1772755;1516320988;asciilifeform;speaking of current-day cruiseship chumpatron 1772756;1516320997;mircea_popescu;yes. 1772757;1516321002;asciilifeform;what's the draw ? 1772758;1516321016;asciilifeform;lotta chumps seem to reliably sign up 1772759;1516321022;mircea_popescu;item is 1950s revival of pre 1915 extant item with utility (cross the atlantic pleasantly) 1772760;1516321042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lotta chumpsteins and chumpstein-wannabes. 1772761;1516321049;asciilifeform;well in 1915 it was 'cross with minimal pain', sorta like the $5k plus 1stclass chair on modern air liner 1772762;1516321065;mircea_popescu;kinda ended by 1915, but yes in 1890 absolutely. 1772763;1516321094;asciilifeform;whereas the airliner equiv to the cruise would be to buy a 1stclass ticket to go nowhere in particular, in a circle 1772764;1516321103;asciilifeform;not even getting out of the plane 1772765;1516321132;asciilifeform;i could even see the appeal if the plane were e.g. a mig, and does immelmans. 1772766;1516321154;mircea_popescu;there's a certain "cramped spaces and highschool-ariline boarding security" nazism reinstatement that is appealing to a certain sort of person. 1772767;1516321154;asciilifeform;but would you on airbus ? and who would, and why. 1772768;1516321181;asciilifeform;hm so b&d-istic hypothesis ? 1772769;1516321187;mircea_popescu;mostly, people who got it hammered into childhood that they suck for hating the peas, because their grandaunt edsel died in whichever camp 1772770;1516321188;asciilifeform;i ain't got a better one. it'd make sense. 1772771;1516321199;mircea_popescu;i'm telling you, cruise is jewsanity. 1772772;1516321242;mircea_popescu;"city on a hill. of froth." 1772773;1516321249;asciilifeform;ugh 1772774;1516321261;mircea_popescu;(for the needs of this exercise, the unitarian ustards are jew-wannabes.) 1772775;1516321289;asciilifeform;i dunno if anyone alive today knows what actual j00z looked like. 1772776;1516321292;asciilifeform;they got thermonuked 1772777;1516321297;mircea_popescu;rahter. 1772778;1516321315;asciilifeform;like the proper-penguin. 1772779;1516321330;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu ever write about, incidentally, penguin ? 1772780;1516321341;asciilifeform;how the name of the misfortunate bird, was recycled. 1772781;1516321345;mircea_popescu;that it got replaced ? im sure it's a mention here and there in the log 1772782;1516321349;asciilifeform;must be. 1772783;1516321486;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771980 << fine example of the context problem. "yes, i have the chip" "so what can you do ?" "nothing." 1772784;1516321486;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 20:11 asciilifeform: ( or what it expects to find on the bus, or almost anything else ) 1772785;1516321506;asciilifeform;aaalmost nothing. 1772786;1516321519;mircea_popescu;tru. 1772787;1516321529;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771984 << the mechanism are "only the files named may exist". 1772788;1516321529;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 20:13 apeloyee: I proposed being able to name arbitrary required antecedents << also probably needs a mechanism to declare "there are no other files in the tree" 1772789;1516321589;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771985 << i don't understand where the extra mass comes from iyo. in the trinque solution, one extra file'd have been gaining a total of count-patches lines. ook ? 1772790;1516321589;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 20:14 asciilifeform: apeloyee: look at the trb tree, and picture what the mass of the patches would have been, if this requirement had been in effect when i made it. 1772791;1516321627;asciilifeform;i'ma come back to this item when trinquetronic v is available 1772792;1516321656;asciilifeform;practical demonstration beats hypotheticals. 1772793;1516321664;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/and-another-day-dawns-or-multipicture-megapost/ << Trilema - And another day dawns, or Multipicture Megapost 1772794;1516321928;asciilifeform;'Full rubber tyres, no inflation at all. Yes, exactly like in the toy items we had as children. Progress, you see,' << this is coming. possibly already deployed on 'upscale' americars. 1772795;1516322006;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1772796;1516322018;mircea_popescu;"let's use everything exactly contrary to its utility envelope" 1772797;1516322052;mircea_popescu;anyway, i ordered the creation of special proper tyres for myself only. and it shall be done. 1772798;1516322064;mircea_popescu;and what people who aren't imperial majesties themselves will do i have nfi. 1772799;1516322079;asciilifeform;pretty sure you can get tubed tires in usa. 1772800;1516322087;asciilifeform;lotta vintage car aficionado folx here. 1772801;1516322111;asciilifeform;( and motorcycle , tractor, bus , tire -- still tubed afaik errywhere ) 1772802;1516322189;mircea_popescu;!#s "LARP" 1772803;1516322190;a111;13 results for "\"LARP\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22LARP%22 1772804;1516322254;mircea_popescu;did i at some point know what larping means ? 1772805;1516322295;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772007 <<< they went to "social media" aka sv wankpost rather than eg, came here, for a reason, after all. 1772806;1516322295;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 20:32 fromloper: yeah, somehow a lot of potentially interesting people on social media end up mostly posting this kind of crap 1772807;1516322441;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772030 << report any developments! 1772808;1516322441;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 20:43 fromloper: so there is at least one possible address, gotta try it 1772809;1516322526;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772041 << quite this. symbolics had the distinction of marketing inept to the amplitude of apple's, except negative. 1772810;1516322526;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 20:47 asciilifeform: to be fair the company was not really a honest commercial co, moar like one of those unofficial usg research institutes, they proliferated under reagan and died with him 1772811;1516322601;shinohai;Heh, curious you mention that about tires, never thought of it until now mircea_popescu, but bicycle wheels are the only place you can still get an inner tube afaik. 1772812;1516322608;shinohai;(in latest trilema) 1772813;1516322633;mircea_popescu;ill get tubes in whatever the fuck i fucking want them. but yes, they try not to sell them anymore. 1772814;1516322649;mircea_popescu;"let's make proper car behave more like electric if we can';t make electric ever be proper car" 1772815;1516322650;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1772816;1516322673;mircea_popescu;i want 200km pitstops for the car like i want fat old women in my livingroom. 1772817;1516322742;asciilifeform;somehow asciilifeform's tyres hold pressure for yr+ 1772818;1516322766;asciilifeform;( and yes i have a manometer , and one of those small pumps ) 1772819;1516322782;asciilifeform;possibly because asciilifeform drives on asphalt, and not jungle ? nfi 1772820;1516322814;mircea_popescu;well... car spent one hour on asphaltless road, lost two tyres. not fucking acceptabru. 1772821;1516322871;mircea_popescu;granted, the idiots here are something else -- they did everything up to but excluding the asphalt cover. an exercise in "how to spend 95% of the cost to get 3% of the benefit" 1772822;1516322908;asciilifeform;the 1 item that still ~worx to spec in usa : roads. sorta like bread in ye olde su. it is a symbol of imperial 'mandate of heaven' 1772823;1516322929;mircea_popescu;already crumbling at the edges. 1772824;1516322935;asciilifeform;indeed 1772825;1516322953;asciilifeform;always ~was~ dodgy at the edges 1772826;1516322955;shinohai;Drive through rural Alabama sometimes. 1772827;1516322956;mircea_popescu;at some point empire gave up on budgets ; more recently, it gave up on maintenance -- most bridges did not pass for years and now are noit even inspected anymore. 1772828;1516322974;asciilifeform;but typical 'coast' amerid00d gives exactly 0 fucks what the roads, or bread, or anything , are like in oklahomistan. 1772829;1516322979;asciilifeform;may as well be afganistan. 1772830;1516322982;mircea_popescu;go, ask for bridge inspection records of bridge/county of your choice, be amazed. 1772831;1516323038;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the romans also regularly inspected, for 90% of their history, both bridges and aqueducts (not so different in ther practice, items). stopped late 300s. 1772832;1516323057;asciilifeform;muchly depends where. literally few blox from asciilifeform , bridge is being recemented. and not far from there, a brand new one built. 1772833;1516323078;asciilifeform;but easily can believe that in walmartfuckistan -- not inspected. 1772834;1516323079;mircea_popescu;o, building they do. maintenance, not so much. 1772835;1516323318;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772096 << that contract is worth ~diddly squat. iirc the (utterly unimpressive) fiatola figures were quoted in log. 1772836;1516323318;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 21:24 asciilifeform: * all gov contracts 1772837;1516323334;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly moar under the table 1772838;1516323357;mircea_popescu;this is about as likely as imagining john kerry is a better dresser at home than when sardined with orcs for publicity photos. 1772839;1516323375;mircea_popescu;does that ancient cretinetti still exist btw ? 1772840;1516323383;asciilifeform;nfi 1772841;1516323401;asciilifeform;asciilifeform doesn't get real time reportz on his desk when they croak.. 1772842;1516323481;mircea_popescu;his ~10 mn retirement went to a home in martha's vineyard and supposedly some memoirs to come. 1772843;1516323595;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772104 << they were young and stupid yet. 1772844;1516323595;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 21:33 trinque: if so, how did folks this corrupt build anything worth having? 1772845;1516323621;mircea_popescu;there's a natural tendency to do the right thing that needs lengthy and elaborate stamping out before you get the full blown jwz. 1772846;1516323788;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772122 << hurr. 1772847;1516323788;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 21:41 asciilifeform: 'Cyber space is an increasingly risky discourse and therefore will inevitably be securitised.' << exactly what i said: usg stuffed shirt. 1772848;1516323852;mircea_popescu;dude... nobody gives a shit now, ever will, or ever fucking has given a shit about your retarded usg idiocy. wake up and smell the coffee, jesus fucking christ, it's like watching imbecile african mamies with dirty bare feet and stupid headgarbs drone importantly about what-they-remember the preacher said in church. 1772849;1516324014;mircea_popescu;amberglint, eh ? 1772850;1516324158;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772185 << teh process of effervescent vitriol that passes for review here + the natural intimidatiacy result in very finely polished items, to my delight. 1772851;1516324158;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 22:23 amberglint: haven't had any issues with it, it's very handy 1772852;1516325430;asciilifeform;in other folx who apparently had gone fullbore usgtard since i last looked : lubos motl. e.g. https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/01/korean-backlash-to-planned-bitcoin.html . 1772853;1516325515;danielpbarron;!!pay Birdman 0.05 1772854;1516325516;asciilifeform;https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/01/bitcoin-fans-or-foes-who-are-statists.html << moar in same vein ( for expert entomologist only ) 1772855;1516325519;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6s65T/?raw=true 1772856;1516325588;asciilifeform;'The ISPs and commercial banks are parts of the capitalist economy and a systemic attack against them is obviously a systemic attack against capitalism – real-world capitalism – as such. Maybe it's because my position in the formative years – I considered myself a builder of the new capitalist economy including the old-fashioned brick-and-mortar commercial banks – but I just wouldn't hesitate for a second whom I root for in t 1772857;1516325588;asciilifeform;his apparent conflict between the regular banks and meaningless cryptocurrency exchanges; in the conflict between the system with regular banks that has worked for centuries and an ideologically driven replacement that isn't used in the real legal economy because it obviously cannot work well...' etc 1772858;1516325593;asciilifeform;didjaknow. 1772859;1516326099;asciilifeform;from his commentreplies, also gold, e.g. '...People who despise Western national fiat currencies are dirty fucked-up commies of the same kind that has plundered my country. I just won't ever support their goal, they're scum for me. Do you get it? Relatively to these important things, whether the replacement is called Ripple or Rouble is just a technicality. It's the same shit except that rouble actually works as a viable currency for 1772860;1516326100;asciilifeform; the economy while Ripple or the Bitcoin doesn't.' 1772861;1516326103;asciilifeform;didjaalsoknow. 1772862;1516326526;asciilifeform;this d00d fills a previously-unfilled hole, gotta be , 'bitcoin as bolshevism' 1772863;1516326851;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/ ? 1772864;1516326860;asciilifeform;him 1772865;1516326881;mircea_popescu;wasn't ever much more than alt-flavour "rational" w/e pantsuit flavour 1772866;1516326898;mircea_popescu;~same gallery as curtis yarvin & co. 1772867;1516326917;asciilifeform;i had this vague memory that he used to write about physics 1772868;1516326935;asciilifeform;currently ~100% usg talkingpoints re btc. 1772869;1516326942;mircea_popescu;eh. 1772870;1516326964;mircea_popescu;they all parasitize some topic or other. obama is a constitutional law scholar or how did it go. 1772871;1516327016;asciilifeform;lolyes 1772872;1516327059;*;mircea_popescu very much will refuse to consider random fucktards who spent 2012 going "oh, who pays for mpex seats" in the hope that "hey, i'll weasel my way back in through peripheral commentary anyway" 1772873;1516327075;mircea_popescu;it's little more than a restatement of ye olde, dearest dream of all nigger, "we'll get in later anyway:" 1772874;1516327078;mircea_popescu;no, you fucking wont. 1772875;1516327198;mircea_popescu;but all the pretense that "today matters -- after all i was born", as if this isn't well settled 2014 fare, and http://trilema.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era-starts-today/ never occured, and so on... he's really REALLY late to the max keiser show. 1772876;1516327234;mircea_popescu;whatever, whoever is dumb enough to imagine john smith invented religion is called "ustard" for a reason. 1772877;1516327282;asciilifeform;linked strictly for the flavour of crackpottery afaik not seen elsewhere, 'imaginary 1950s Greatest Generation anticommie usa' vs 'bolshevik bitcoin' 1772878;1516327290;mircea_popescu;"Tony told me I was a statist because I am a critic of the Bitcoin. Tony isn't the only man who has raised this accusation." 1772879;1516327313;mircea_popescu;fucking tony. to quote from recent trilema, "And obviously it will then become, suddenly and unexplainably, a "native" topic of conversation ailleurs, specifically in such ESL ailleurs as may "coincidentally" but necessarily "forget" to mention where they even discovered this may be a topic of conversation in the first place. Oy vey.." 1772880;1516327338;mircea_popescu;inb4 "tony told me today something about sex with girls under 12" in another decade or so. 1772881;1516327375;asciilifeform;i suspect that most of these folx are.. physiologically incapable of touching a subj that hasn't been tonywashed. 1772882;1516327411;mircea_popescu;anyway. dork imagines he has some sort of cachet, exactly like orlov, exactly like all the branding idiots. what keeps eg http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aweev from productive obedience is exactly the same fundamental problem. 1772883;1516327425;mircea_popescu;like the unhappy girls of usgistan, these misfortunate trannies imagine they "have the options" etc. 1772884;1516327517;asciilifeform;for so long as the cheques come in the mail, d00d can imagine whatever he likes, neh 1772885;1516327526;mircea_popescu;it's a cheap if useless mental trick, very substantially the same as http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-37.0 ; a certain sort of safe (ie, improductive) activity as a cover for impotence. 1772886;1516327543;mircea_popescu;i suspect the "inteligentsia" as it dreams itself has meanwhile redefined intellectual discourse to equate the above wank. 1772887;1516327546;mircea_popescu;it's still wank. 1772888;1516327581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the cheques consisting of remarkably very little. most of these hopefuls live in the most abject poverty, made palatable to them by their idiocy and the abject poverty surrounding every aspect of their life. 1772889;1516327596;mircea_popescu;but yes, broadly speaking, who has any interest in them and their flow of made for tv snacks. 1772890;1516327619;asciilifeform;i have deeply nfi. for all i know motl lives in luxury. 1772891;1516327631;mircea_popescu;not the parsimonious hypothesis. 1772892;1516327640;asciilifeform;why does he fellate 'the west' then. 1772893;1516327643;mircea_popescu;for all you know, orlov lives on a moored boat, and this dood lives in rms's quarters. 1772894;1516327651;asciilifeform;typical su physics cabbie in nyc does not fellate it. 1772895;1516327660;mircea_popescu;this is like asking "why does monkey shoot kalash". 1772896;1516327661;mircea_popescu;it was there. 1772897;1516327713;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why rational behaviour would be expected, or rational explanation for misbehaviour would be demanded of items that clearly lack either agency or reflective capacity. 1772898;1516327729;mircea_popescu;in what way do you feel closer to this particular item of furniture than to your own chair ? 1772899;1516327774;asciilifeform;both chair and czech idjit can be modeled as mechanism. 1772900;1516327779;mircea_popescu;you actually suspect motl can think in any sense different from fg plugged in can think ? why ? 1772901;1516327790;asciilifeform;'think' is not the word. 1772902;1516327809;mircea_popescu;but you're not frankly sitting there and asking for explanation of perceived patterns in fg output. 1772903;1516327892;mircea_popescu;he's saying the things that could be said, some fraction thereof, as a function of the possibility of saying and no more. other exactly identical items are saying other fractions, and will continue to do so. to credit this is that long discussed error, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523269 1772904;1516327892;a111;Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ 1772905;1516327896;asciilifeform;if i observed an actual ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660274 thread ) , vs merely hallucinated -- would demand explanation yes 1772906;1516327896;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 02:46 asciilifeform: but to display ~existing~ test failures in predictor-algorithm form 1772907;1516327909;asciilifeform;*actual pattern 1772908;1516327928;mircea_popescu;it's only a pattern as an artefact of a short section selected. 1772909;1516327959;mircea_popescu;this is why on the long term they always either "delete" their blogs to start over, or else become insanely trite (and then "give up"). 1772910;1516327971;asciilifeform;this particular d00d has been at it for a while. 1772911;1516327977;asciilifeform;dun seem to show any signs of exhaustion. 1772912;1516327978;mircea_popescu;yarvin opted for the latter ; this one may be too thick to notice yet, or whatever, i've not looked. 1772913;1516328008;mircea_popescu;or of saying anything useful or meaningful, either. orlov similar example, but at least he cycles the topics. one day -- expert on boats, next day -- expert on firearms, on it goes. 1772914;1516328016;mircea_popescu;this schmuck apparently changed physics for bitcoin you say ? a well. 1772915;1516328085;mircea_popescu;recall at some point was some pompous asshole locklin, "scientist" ? there's no end conceivable of supply. once one swallows the "always has choice" usg pill, that one becomes this. it's inescapable. 1772916;1516328196;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761807 1772917;1516328196;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 16:27 mircea_popescu: the important point here is that there can be NO retrospective read of the history of ideas in any actual discipline that is both a) longer than epsilon and b) fails to discover the PRINCIPAL bar to discovery is personal dishonesty. 1772918;1516328225;mircea_popescu;same problem manifests with the pantsuit mendacious little shits as with any larger system built on the same basis. 1772919;1516328328;asciilifeform;motl is not a meat rng tho. d00d suffers from a clearly identifiable fixation, 'the west' (tm)(r) where there is a 'capitalism' (tm)(r) 1772920;1516328340;asciilifeform;defined, naturally, circularly 1772921;1516328345;mircea_popescu;when you say "not meat rng", how do you base this ? 1772922;1516328351;mircea_popescu;because it seems to me you just said he is. 1772923;1516328365;asciilifeform;because oscillator. 1772924;1516328386;mircea_popescu;i don't get it ? 1772925;1516328419;asciilifeform;it's an arse-mouth hose. 'west' is where 'capitalism', 'capitalism' is what they do in 'west'. 1772926;1516328431;mircea_popescu;so this definitionally makes him a meat rng then ? 1772927;1516328436;asciilifeform;meat oscillator. 1772928;1516328452;mircea_popescu;but any implemented oscillator is a... rng ? 1772929;1516328457;asciilifeform;if you like, rng with clearly visible spectral peak. 1772930;1516328469;asciilifeform;it ain't an rng if i can compress the output . 1772931;1516328484;asciilifeform;not one that you'd want to use as an rng, at any rate. 1772932;1516328500;mircea_popescu;what is it, i don't get it. yes, but that's evidently not the interesting part nor can it. hence the original, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772909 1772933;1516328500;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 02:12 mircea_popescu: this is why on the long term they always either "delete" their blogs to start over, or else become insanely trite (and then "give up"). 1772934;1516328547;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, he's evidently not useful. but he's not a logic gate, either. he's certainly not human. the fundamental identification/classification of "i will deliver result X through randomly chosen path each time" is... rng. at least to my mind. 1772935;1516328572;asciilifeform;i meant in the sense where e.g. the clock crystal on the fg, is not itself an rng. even tho it has jitter. 1772936;1516328592;asciilifeform;but yes. 1772937;1516328598;asciilifeform;did not link motl as 'useful, no. 1772938;1516328601;mircea_popescu;you ~use it~ as a clock crystal. but what it is... well... it's actually a rng. 1772939;1516328609;asciilifeform;in the sense where my chair is rng. 1772940;1516328611;mircea_popescu;your usage of it is defensible, but to declare it a clock seems a little much. 1772941;1516328619;asciilifeform;( if i knock it down, i cannot immediately say how it will fall... ) 1772942;1516328626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which was the source of my original, "how do you distinguish this item of furniture from your chair" 1772943;1516328632;mircea_popescu;precisely so. 1772944;1516328647;mircea_popescu;it's certainly ~NOT HUMAN~. 1772945;1516328674;asciilifeform;motl is a loaded die tho. q is, loaded how. and does it have clinical implications for others. 1772946;1516328688;mircea_popescu;if you say something to mp, you also can't immediately say what he'll respond, but this is actually interesting, as opposed to the clock jitter, mechanical jumps of chair etc. 1772947;1516328693;asciilifeform;aha 1772948;1516328696;mircea_popescu;you can\'t say how it'll fall but you can say it won't fall a beehive. 1772949;1516328723;asciilifeform;whereas when i say 'this box is oscillator' it has a rigorous meaning. it means that i can draw the spectrum, and it is peaky. 1772950;1516328770;*;mircea_popescu can't summon the interest in the instant case, but by all means. 1772951;1516328782;asciilifeform;i dunno that we actually disagree, lol 1772952;1516328791;mircea_popescu;i dun think we do. 1772953;1516328808;mircea_popescu;just different levels of lazy, as i'm not done with log yet and you are lol. 1772954;1516328819;asciilifeform;lolk 1772955;1516328978;mircea_popescu;possibly also i'm like... hey, i recall this idiocy from 2012, seriously rando just discovered bitcoin today, is retracing 2012 with all the ingenuity of virgin at the altar ? how fucking endearing, /sarcasm 1772956;1516329037;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772202 << i would not go as far, theoretical physics. 1772957;1516329037;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 22:29 asciilifeform: aha. mircea_popescu also at one time was a maths man. 1772958;1516329120;mircea_popescu;can prolly tell by the very functional-analytic and numeric methods bent ; and by the set-theoretic underlying representations. 1772959;1516329138;mircea_popescu;whereas most serious math people of my generation are from topology and the rest of the doomed attempts to resurect the beauty of geometry. 1772960;1516329404;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, recently /me introduced briefly phuctor to whitebeard, mentioned bernstein smooth integers speedup, got very confused headshake and an invitation to point to where did this wonder happen ?! in s. n. bernstein book. "not that one, a newer one, american" "oh." 1772961;1516329480;asciilifeform;lol! 1772962;1516329495;mircea_popescu;apparently did some work on smoothness, i had nfi, but anyway. 1772963;1516329697;asciilifeform;briefly to return to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772934 , what motl and most other similar are, is precisely this : the unwanted oscillator. ever see a street lamp that flickered, on, off, on , off 1772964;1516329697;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 02:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, he's evidently not useful. but he's not a logic gate, either. he's certainly not human. the fundamental identification/classification of "i will deliver result X through randomly chosen path each time" is... rng. at least to my mind. 1772965;1516329704;asciilifeform;or washing machine walking across a room 1772966;1516329708;mircea_popescu;sure. 1772967;1516329724;asciilifeform;or a defective rng. or hell knows just about every broken-but-running mechanism. 1772968;1516329728;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, fg. it's how it fucking works, on, off, on... 1772969;1516329768;asciilifeform;again , the diff is in the spectra. 1772970;1516329779;mircea_popescu;but yes, once they invested in the aproiori fixed point, they can only walk around the room. 1772971;1516329788;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, one is good and the other not so good. no argument. 1772972;1516329803;asciilifeform;i have yet to meet the man who ~wanted~ to be oscillator tho. 1772973;1516329817;asciilifeform;it is a thing that they end up . but nobody sets out to. 1772974;1516329836;mircea_popescu;every indian ever set out to, as far as i know. 1772975;1516329848;asciilifeform;but folx working with contradictory priors are doomed to oscillate. at least if they're serious. 1772976;1516329854;mircea_popescu;it's a very third worldy thing, to want to be the sad horse turning around the peg. so much so they actually sell this insanity here, as toys. 1772977;1516329871;mircea_popescu;onward hops the plastic horse, and there's a circle of dirt under its feet on the wooden square... 1772978;1516329879;asciilifeform;hey if dressed up a bit, sells just as well in usa -- arsebook 'games' etc 1772979;1516329932;mircea_popescu;nepenthe, you know, the one item that was ever in true demand. 1772980;1516329936;asciilifeform;'chukcha wrote a book. we open the book: pg 1: 'man got on a horse.' pg . N : 'man got off horse' pg . 2 .. N-1 : 'tgdyk, tgdyk, tdgyk...' ' 1772981;1516329947;mircea_popescu;lol. 1772982;1516329975;mircea_popescu;i had no idea this is how you say horse gallop in russian. it's same in romanian too! 1772983;1516330003;asciilifeform;yea holyfuq i had nfi that the 8legged 'horses' on romars also tgdyk'd !11! 1772984;1516330015;mircea_popescu;tîgdîc-tîgdîc 1772985;1516330020;asciilifeform;aaha. 1772986;1516330033;asciilifeform;btw is it tru re the î 1772987;1516330041;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1772988;1516330123;asciilifeform;that the 'â turns into î when beginning or end of word' was only Officially Proclaimed in... 1990 1772989;1516330128;mircea_popescu;yup. 1772990;1516330131;asciilifeform;nuts. 1772991;1516330134;mircea_popescu;i know. 1772992;1516330138;asciilifeform;why not just ы like sane folx!11 1772993;1516330145;mircea_popescu;"so as tyo make it moar latin". as fucking if, and etcetera. 1772994;1516330180;asciilifeform;lol if even the english threw out their, e.g., thorn , to 'be moar latin'. 1772995;1516330196;mircea_popescu;they... did. 1772996;1516330201;asciilifeform;sad. 1772997;1516330211;mircea_popescu;also did some stuff to be more greek... 1772998;1516330295;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform damn, tyou got it backwards. ~î~ is to turn into the previously never used â inside words. (previously, only usage of â was for România. but rather than JUST TAKE THE DAMNED THING OUT ALTOGETHER they ... contrived to "make use") 1772999;1516330327;asciilifeform;oh hah. 1773000;1516330338;mircea_popescu;for a long time the country's name was written in the japanese style, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-03#1513931 1773001;1516330338;a111;Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name". 1773002;1516330348;mircea_popescu;thje logical step was to just get rid of it altogether. 1773003;1516330369;asciilifeform;surreal. gotta wonder from where the item even came. 1773004;1516330376;mircea_popescu;the insanity of using two different letters for the exact same item ... but anyway. 1773005;1516330402;asciilifeform;incidentally, i picked up a lulb00k from a bankrupt shop , 'молдавский язык' , chisinau , 1990 . even has 'history' intro. guess of what country, 0 mention. 1773006;1516330405;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ << review item depicted on right 1773007;1516330437;mircea_popescu;ima guess... russia. 1773008;1516330443;asciilifeform;naa 1773009;1516330450;mircea_popescu;china. 1773010;1516330456;asciilifeform;lolromania 1773011;1516330461;mircea_popescu;noo ?! 1773012;1516330466;asciilifeform;picture this. 1773013;1516330478;mircea_popescu;so how do they explain stephen, afaik he's like, object of cult there. 1773014;1516330483;mircea_popescu;greek originally ? 1773015;1516330484;asciilifeform;martians, apparently, dropped moldavia, fully formed. 1773016;1516330491;mircea_popescu;some history book. 1773017;1516330493;asciilifeform;if one had to go from this book. 1773018;1516330512;mircea_popescu;page 1 : moldavia isn't. page 300 : moldavia is. rest of pages... 1773019;1516330525;asciilifeform;well it's a language thing. 1773020;1516330528;asciilifeform;but even so. 1773021;1516330539;mircea_popescu;lemme fish this thing out 1773022;1516330561;asciilifeform;most preciously, in intro, 'moldavian is a language quite like other foreign languages you may have learned, such as french, spanish, italian...' 1773023;1516330565;asciilifeform;not in the list : ro 1773024;1516330599;asciilifeform;from pov of author, it NeverHappened.. 1773025;1516330615;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWcs7zoR2F8 << moldavian-made lulz on same topic. 1773026;1516331325;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772295 << nah, outsourcerisms. 1773027;1516331325;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 14:57 asciilifeform: 'The United States federal government has paid approximately half a million dollars to a private corporation to help various agencies conduct surveillance on the Bitcoin blockchain' << pretty lulzy, that's, e.g., 3 janitors, 2 clerks, 1 intern, for 1yr 1773028;1516331365;asciilifeform;yea likely exactly 1 d00d, his yacht and laughter. 1773029;1516331422;mircea_popescu;hey, they paid me i dun recall how many mns exactly to fuck their mit boobs, what's another fraction. 1773030;1516331710;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772348 << well, i'd say ok let's take it, except for the issue where we can't actually pay them. 1773031;1516331710;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 18:48 deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/ << Bingo Blog - Datacenter Costs 1773032;1516331726;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's the trade situation there, can you get a pile of cash for btc locally ? 1773033;1516332223;asciilifeform;bandwidth price looks near-orbital 1773034;1516332236;asciilifeform;pretty sure e.g. inmarsat costs comparably 1773035;1516332245;asciilifeform;and runs faster. 1773036;1516332265;asciilifeform;e.g. '100/100 Mpbs Symmetric: 3037 USD monthly' 1773037;1516332307;asciilifeform;i dun recall ever seeing a price like this outside of satellite market. 1773038;1516332349;asciilifeform;come to think of it, maybe the sole connection to that cage ~is~ a sat ?! 1773039;1516332542;asciilifeform;could emplace literally 10 boxes in heathendom for that bandwidth price alone. and with 100/100 (or greater) on each. 1773040;1516332608;asciilifeform;it is possible that BingoBoingo is being gouged, similar to what the accountants tried to do ? 1773041;1516332631;asciilifeform;'we think that saheeb has much money, let's weld on a coupla zeros' 1773042;1516332675;asciilifeform;or hm, possibly had already this thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740045 1773043;1516332675;a111;Logged on 2017-11-17 04:55 asciilifeform: i can picture the backroom convo, 'hey how many zeros can we glue to the gringo's price' 1773044;1516332731;asciilifeform;tho i cannot immediately tell how it came out. 1773045;1516332909;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how many datacentres in uruguay ? what % have you spoken to ? 1773046;1516332922;asciilifeform;all 3k/100M ?! 1773047;1516332959;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1773048;1516334007;trinque;BingoBoingo: latechco quoted me 700 setup, 700/mo 1773049;1516334311;trinque;this btw after I ignored him for a week 1773050;1516337281;mod6;megal0g 1773051;1516343865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude... first off you're looking at symmetrical for some reason, nfi why, second off no bw is free, contrary to what "cheap vps" outfits might've advertised to you and thirdly didn't we do this a few times before already ? 1773052;1516347372;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in surreal meats, https://78.media.tumblr.com/f24f8acdb6c017b5cb3e9b0d46955a9a/tumblr_oz055l2pqA1u9uov7o1_400.gif 1773053;1516372451;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo what's the trade situation there, can you get a pile of cash for btc locally ? << Looks like it. At the very worst a boat ride to sufficient liquidity. 1773054;1516372491;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: latechco quoted me 700 setup, 700/mo << And connectivity? 1773055;1516372545;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: how many datacentres in uruguay ? what % have you spoken to ? << Others have international (i.e. US) presence 1773056;1516372800;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1773057;1516372807;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11661.79, vol: 17191.04062844 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11542.0, vol: 63783.07921758 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11710.8, vol: 6772.56030589 | Volume-weighted last average: 11578.4973687 1773058;1516372943;mod6;mornin' BingoBoingo 1773059;1516372952;BingoBoingo;mornin mod6 1773060;1516373265;shinohai;Bom Dia BingoBoingo , mod6 1773061;1516373276;mod6;hey shinohai 1773062;1516373330;BingoBoingo; Heh, curious you mention that about tires, never thought of it until now mircea_popescu, but bicycle wheels are the only place you can still get an inner tube afaik. << bicycles, motorcycles, plenty more places. 1773063;1516373389;shinohai;Been a long time since I've been around motorbikes, but yes. 1773064;1516374964;diana_coman;even had inner tube at pushchair wheels! 1773065;1516375657;mircea_popescu;yes but before ourdemocracy, 1773066;1516375672;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well ok, and what came of the bank sweep ? 1773067;1516375933;BingoBoingo;The bank situation looks like it will continue to suck until a local id is in hand 1773068;1516375980;mircea_popescu;that's going to be months. 1773069;1516375992;BingoBoingo;Late march, yes 1773070;1516376034;mircea_popescu;so either i'm misunderstanding some4thing or there's a typo in this post : 20/200 mbps (downlink/uplink) ie the server can RECEIVE 10 times as much as it can SEND ? this is backwards from practice. 1773071;1516376193;BingoBoingo;I am asking if it is a typo, awaiting response. 1773072;1516376206;mircea_popescu;yeah, just make sure which way the 200 goes. 1773073;1516376270;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "slut at the beach" fun and games, https://68.media.tumblr.com/27bd311844b8bbcc384df97d3a64b086/tumblr_omswy5mJIU1uiwcaro1_1280.jpg 1773074;1516376469;shinohai;Gotta keep those private keys locked up 1773075;1516376477;mircea_popescu;lol 1773076;1516376866;BingoBoingo;"yes server can send 10 times more than recive." << Going to have to make sure they include this language in the contract. 1773077;1516376896;asciilifeform;pretty odd. 1773078;1516376933;mircea_popescu;eh, it's unlikely they do it any other way. alright then, so the draft plan here is, get the rack, 900 + 900, and the 20/200 option to start with, for a total of $3223 payable i ncash which you can actually raise by going in the local market ? 1773079;1516377039;BingoBoingo;That's the draft plan 1773080;1516377054;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773051 << where did i say 'bw is free' or that i compare with spam vps ? trinque posted a heathendom figure of 700 ( trinque can answer when he wakes up , for what bw, i presume 100/100 ) for comparison. 1773081;1516377054;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 06:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude... first off you're looking at symmetrical for some reason, nfi why, second off no bw is free, contrary to what "cheap vps" outfits might've advertised to you and thirdly didn't we do this a few times before already ? 1773082;1516377069;asciilifeform;why do the orcs charge >3x moar ? 1773083;1516377074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you're here managing trinque's quotes ? 1773084;1516377093;asciilifeform;lolwat 1773085;1516377106;mircea_popescu;your reference point is "trinque said". why ? 1773086;1516377110;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That is the same provider. In the numbers they are sending me 700 is 1/2 rack and no connectivity. 1773087;1516377133;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: his 700 is smaller, actually, than the last time i priced 100/100/1U in usa, was 1000+ 1773088;1516377139;asciilifeform;but still nowhere near 3k 1773089;1516377155;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1773090;1516377174;mircea_popescu;this is a whole rack being discussed here, i dunno if you realise. 1773091;1516377191;asciilifeform;as i understood, merely the pipe into rack. rack itself costs also. 1773092;1516377214;asciilifeform;'One full rack: 900 USD/month plus $900 one time set up fee' from BingoBoingo's article. 1773093;1516377230;mircea_popescu;yes. 1773094;1516377297;mircea_popescu;aite, anyone wanna do the above 3.5k wire and pocket the bitcoin implied by current lulzexchange ? before i give it to rando latino via bb's meatwot. 1773095;1516377321;asciilifeform;i thought BingoBoingo had no bank, can't eat wires..? 1773096;1516377330;mircea_popescu;dc can. 1773097;1516377332;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Datacenter has bank 1773098;1516377495;BingoBoingo;I will let the datacenter know we are moving forward with the whole rack 20/200 asymmetric. 1773099;1516377536;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, a) go sign contract ; b) did you actually get to see our rack yet ? if not now's the time to insist ; c) explain to them that money's coming in coming week one way or another, iirc they understand why ? 1773100;1516377614;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Z3bjP/?raw=true 1773101;1516377854;BingoBoingo;I have seen the hall, the rack, the UPS, etc. Will meet with them and make sure nothing has been overlooked. 1773102;1516377905;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1773103;1516377913;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11631.59, vol: 16447.17098151 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11550.0, vol: 58841.69988427 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11640.0, vol: 6551.18386701 | Volume-weighted last average: 11573.6012944 1773104;1516377984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zVTnR/?raw=true 1773105;1516378007;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dun worry about it ; sign the contract, explain about the cash, all is well. what gear did you have physically present i forget ? 1773106;1516378070;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UwYqB/?raw=true 1773107;1516378249;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: 1 network switch with 48 ports and 1 1U server box 1773108;1516378253;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo send me the dc wire details btw. 1773109;1516378315;BingoBoingo;Will do, and I will check to see if these numbers are 22% VAT inclusive or if I missed that again. 1773110;1516378332;mircea_popescu;aite. 1773111;1516378470;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18804 << >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06a-ffa-ch4-puzzle.html 1773112;1516378486;asciilifeform;^ possibly oughta be included in rss ? mircea_popescu , trinque ? 1773113;1516378539;asciilifeform;!#seen spyked 1773114;1516378539;a111;2017-11-22 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yVbXl/?raw=true <-- most of it is config.sub and config.guess. two lines at the end may fix shinohai's troubles. anyway, I'ma post the whole thing (w3m+gc+js+whatever else) once I manage to do a static build. 1773115;1516378590;mircea_popescu;yeh where did he disappear! 1773116;1516378636;asciilifeform;he's been following ffa, doing the homeworkz 1773117;1516378660;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. 1773118;1516378686;asciilifeform;by all indications, a quiet, listeny/thinky sorta fella. 1773119;1516378768;asciilifeform;iirc ro 1773120;1516378774;mircea_popescu;yep 1773121;1516378904;asciilifeform;hey spyked ! i like your summary of the calc ops. 1773122;1516378927;asciilifeform;i'ma link to this item. 1773123;1516378969;asciilifeform;d00d very definitely read his ch1-4. 1773124;1516379679;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in weird spams, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/R3Ba9/?raw=true 1773125;1516379689;asciilifeform;'Factura Electrónica Costa Rica' 1773126;1516379835;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773054 << let you know as soon as they come back with that part. 1773127;1516379835;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 14:34 BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo: latechco quoted me 700 setup, 700/mo << And connectivity? 1773128;1516379875;trinque;but you're welcome to say "trinque is interested in renting rackspace through me. why was he given a different quote?" 1773129;1516379944;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773080 << full rack setup only, and monthly rack rental 1773130;1516379944;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 15:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773051 << where did i say 'bw is free' or that i compare with spam vps ? trinque posted a heathendom figure of 700 ( trinque can answer when he wakes up , for what bw, i presume 100/100 ) for comparison. 1773131;1516379954;asciilifeform;aa hm 1773132;1516379961;asciilifeform;trinque: what did the pipe cost, then 1773133;1516379969;trinque;anyhow, just trying to help haggle. who doesn't like to squeeze the vendors 1773134;1516379978;trinque;asciilifeform: awaiting that part of the quote, will let all know 1773135;1516379995;asciilifeform;aa 1773136;1516381038;asciilifeform;http://thetarpit.org/archive.html << pretty great stuff. he even reviews what happens to be some of asciilifeform's favourite msdos-era gamez. 1773137;1516382670;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "the only truly random element in anyone's life is the order in which they experience things", http://78.media.tumblr.com/f09fc86dd79e041224633ac76ff69c76/tumblr_odtsq9ndCF1u5m4kqo1_400.gif 1773138;1516382721;asciilifeform;lol! 1773139;1516382762;asciilifeform;that's a rented 'ford' 150, i recognize the cardboard on the key 1773140;1516382833;asciilifeform;( certain american truck rental co , but they all attach massive dongle to keyring, so as harder to lose, or so is the idea ) 1773141;1516382836;trinque;lol @ old bitch killjoy 1773142;1516382878;mircea_popescu;joy doth not appeared to be killed any ; but the "hey, things that occur must conform to my mental model" look on old hag's face is fucking typical. 1773143;1516382964;mod6;lol 1773144;1516383771;shinohai;This was actually a good piece too: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html 1773145;1516383792;shinohai;Guy does write good stuff. 1773146;1516383817;asciilifeform;plenty of it, aha 1773147;1516384121;mircea_popescu;incidentally, there's an evident join here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772670 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759127 are evidently the same item. have a comment format for it and bam, project philosophy file with press history. 1773148;1516384121;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 23:36 mircea_popescu: what literate code is all about, nothing keeps you from putting a philosophy.preamble file in there. 1773149;1516384121;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 04:45 mircea_popescu: genesis.manifest 1773150;1516384385;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile in slave duties, http://78.media.tumblr.com/7c31e397d3ac50524fdd842602f80269/tumblr_oj7tx8hISy1v5lmbwo4_400.gif http://78.media.tumblr.com/58e528f5aee80802a8a488ba74359710/tumblr_oj7tx8hISy1v5lmbwo2_400.gif http://78.media.tumblr.com/80fc8337cd3f77076b4be28bc8ebd9b2/tumblr_oj7tx8hISy1v5lmbwo3_400.gif an' so on. 1773151;1516384398;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf seals from http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/ , ty 1773152;1516384398;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1773153;1516384411;mircea_popescu;!~reputation spyked 1773154;1516384411;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "reputation" is not a valid command. 1773155;1516384414;mircea_popescu;!!reputation spyked 1773156;1516384415;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wDywz/?raw=true 1773157;1516384451;asciilifeform;oh hm! 1773158;1516384507;asciilifeform;!!rate spyked 2 maths; reader 1773159;1516384509;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8WhIt/?raw=true 1773160;1516384548;asciilifeform;!!v 24E1A833BE0BD6D8938A35DD7AD3B771D3A0B39AA5EBA90A24C14975CDF62E9B 1773161;1516384549;deedbot;asciilifeform rated spyked 2 << maths; reader 1773162;1516384589;mircea_popescu;!~later tell spyked "Note that this article is not meant to replace the actual thing. If you want to understand FFA properly, go read FFA. And just so that we understand each other, that DeGrasse Tyson guy is an imbecile" << no links ? what did links ever do to you! 1773163;1516384590;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1773164;1516386862;mircea_popescu;!~later tell spyked hey, does your tarpit not send pingbacks or is there some error ? what's the response if you say curl -v -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "pingback.pinghttp://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/ 1773165;1516386862;mircea_popescu;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html from a terminal ? 1773166;1516386862;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1773167;1516388230;asciilifeform;* bitcoinvixen (~ofoats@ool-ad028efc.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #trilema << lol, some folx never give up 1773168;1516388410;shinohai;Well, ben_vulpes has given it every opportunity to speak/defend position. Now deserves scammorz tag. 1773169;1516388624;trinque;contacting the guy's work, mother, etc., is not defensible 1773170;1516388754;mircea_popescu;nor effectual. 1773171;1516388764;trinque;nnnope 1773172;1516388786;mircea_popescu;kinda what tranny-ism, as a pars pro toto representative of pantsuitism, is all about : an undefensible pile of ineffectual bullshit. 1773173;1516389046;phf;asciilifeform: updated 1773174;1516389052;asciilifeform;ty phf 1773175;1516389073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gotta wonder why it picked ben_vulpes in particular 1773176;1516389075;phf;his 4th sig is non plaintext by the way, i threw it in since the eater ate, but this probably should be an anti-policy 1773177;1516389078;phf;^ spyked 1773178;1516389095;asciilifeform;non plaintext ? 1773179;1516389114;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc/seal/spyked 1773180;1516389156;asciilifeform;aaa 1773181;1516389172;asciilifeform;yea definitely Not Right Thing 1773182;1516389190;asciilifeform;he forgot -a flag 1773183;1516389191;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cuz there's no evident link from trinque to michael trinque for idiots who don't understand what gpg is, too lazy to click to your blog or read enough log to see stanislav, there's ~nothing "interesting" on mircea popescu besides a bunch of butthurt idiots complaining of ~same nonsense, and so on. 1773184;1516389757;asciilifeform;this prompted me to try the 'googleate own name' exercise. hilarious snoar, as always. finds 1) my www 2) buncha folx who are not related to me in any way i know of 3) lame softwarepatent from a defunkt slaveship i used to row on 4) bitcoin-otc 1773185;1516389816;mircea_popescu;google is not particularly useful these days. 1773186;1516389837;asciilifeform;not as if this used to work, or anyffin 1773187;1516390041;mircea_popescu;in any case -- as long as 1) "own www", the whole approach just failed. 1773188;1516390049;asciilifeform;noshit.txt 1773189;1516391237;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1773190;1516391244;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11250.0, vol: 15608.93095543 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11157.0, vol: 56232.58752539 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11303.0, vol: 6111.48999418 | Volume-weighted last average: 11187.0682188 1773191;1516391763;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773183 << I dunno if 'interesting' was der Unterschied here; I'd wager it was more: "$realname1 appears to live outside of normal pantsuit spirit summoning range.. I'll try $realname2". Note this was -after- failing at summoning pantsuit spirit to #trilema itself 1773192;1516391763;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 19:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz there's no evident link from trinque to michael trinque for idiots who don't understand what gpg is, too lazy to click to your blog or read enough log to see stanislav, there's ~nothing "interesting" on mircea popescu besides a bunch of butthurt idiots complaining of ~same nonsense, and so on. 1773193;1516391811;asciilifeform;lobbes: prolly. 1773194;1516391844;asciilifeform;and i have this notion that this is the n-th, not 1st or even 2nd case of the pathology. but for some reason can't immediately find in the logs the others. 1773195;1516391877;mircea_popescu;oh, you mean other than the "i have my spurious "bitcoin is scamming" verbiage all over reddit " guy ? 1773196;1516391899;asciilifeform;was thinking specifically of the inept meatspace 'detectives' 1773197;1516391920;asciilifeform;i dun think i have enuff bits in my registers, to count the reddit scumola 1773198;1516392005;mircea_popescu;how about you know, truly ancient lulz, anyone recall tiberius angry canadian dood ? 1773199;1516392025;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-04-30#8131 1773200;1516392025;a111;Logged on 2013-04-30 18:42 tiberiusiv: ;;tell mircea_popescu you are a fraud and a scammer 1773201;1516392028;asciilifeform;aha 1773202;1516392042;asciilifeform;gave impression of elaborate trollism tho 1773203;1516392118;mircea_popescu;kinda unavoidable. 1773204;1516392389;ben_vulpes;ah good lolz 1773205;1516392506;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder the rape accusations aren't flowing, come to think of it. 1773206;1516392548;mircea_popescu;what, am i to surmise we're not as cool as snowden and strauss-kahn ? or rather that the empire sunk to such a depth it is not even capable of finding mendacious prostitutes/chambermaids anymore ? 1773207;1516392594;asciilifeform;i suppose those are scarce, rationed, these days. like car bomb. 1773208;1516392657;asciilifeform;reminds me of convo -- pet: 'why you have not been gassed yet' asciilifeform : 'prolly queued' pet : 'like for buying car in su' 1773209;1516393266;lobbes;!~bash 4 1773210;1516393266;jhvh1;Last 4 lines bashed and pending publication 1773211;1516404039;mircea_popescu;my god these people, when they're on point they're on point. 4 new tyres + 5 new pneumatic tubes, off and emplaced, alligned and everything, like 20 minutes including the drive there. 1773212;1516404052;mircea_popescu;it's such a pleasure to see half a dozen people work as a team without needing to blather. 1773213;1516404749;shinohai;!~later tell asciilifeform Is possible to operate fg from pogoplug using usb-to-serial cable? 1773214;1516404749;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1773215;1516405348;asciilifeform;shinohai: sure, why not 1773216;1516405380;shinohai;It is most definitely NOT showing up as /dev/ttyUSB* though 1773217;1516405382;asciilifeform;shinohai: there's a 5v ttl serialport in there, too, if yer willing to solder 1773218;1516405406;asciilifeform;shinohai: gotta build kernel that knows about the dongle 1773219;1516405414;shinohai;I knew of straight serial port, will have to buy solder 1773220;1516405424;asciilifeform;or alternatively, use dongle that the kernel knows about 1773221;1516405446;shinohai;This kernel has the pl2303 driver 1773222;1516405458;asciilifeform;shinohai: see diana_coman's find 1773223;1516405474;asciilifeform;it's a 'alt' pl2303 1773224;1516405476;shinohai;dmesg gives me [1919018.574318] usb 2-2: new full-speed USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd 1773225;1516405479;shinohai;oh ok 1773226;1516405489;asciilifeform;!#s pl2303 1773227;1516405489;a111;24 results for "pl2303", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pl2303 1773228;1516405492;mircea_popescu;there's a subtle difference in drivers ; both claim to be the same one but are not 1773229;1516405509;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735820 1773230;1516405509;a111;Logged on 2017-11-10 10:14 diana_coman: for the curious there are in fact 2 prolific-stamped documents describing pl2303 and pl2303x; pl2303x seems to be a sort of upgrade to 64bits but why couldn't it be properly identified as distinct I don't know 1773231;1516405524;asciilifeform;finest chinesium 1773232;1516405562;shinohai;phf is absolutely correct here: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-20#225428 1773233;1516405601;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting for anybody to suggest a pill. 1773234;1516405791;shinohai;Well that appears to be issue >>> bMaxPacketSize0 64 1773235;1516417427;asciilifeform;in other crackpotteries, http://www.petericepudding.com 1773236;1516417978;phf;i think it's adorable 1773237;1516418110;shinohai;ProTip: do not click asciilifeform 's link above if you have a hangover. 1773238;1516418217;phf;to be fair that applies to most things linked from tmsr 1773239;1516418715;shinohai;tfw sifting through old trb stuff and you find "rotor-db-configure-fix.patch" 1773240;1516424864;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/esif22/status/954561411606335489 << in other lulz. 1773241;1516426111;shinohai;lul no coincidence twitter rhymes with shitter 1773242;1516427403;mircea_popescu;jam for allcomers! 1773243;1516427505;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in airsnatch news, http://78.media.tumblr.com/bf3dd9134fd7578666f7cd58d18ac27c/tumblr_oinc491Nwr1ujhlmfo2_1280.jpg 1773244;1516447551;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773115 <-- /me raises hand. ohai! tuned in read-only since last seen, still have a lot to read before starting to voice opinions IMHO. also doing things, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769983 1773245;1516447551;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 16:16 mircea_popescu: yeh where did he disappear! 1773246;1516447551;a111;Logged on 2018-01-12 19:52 mircea_popescu: that's nice. now go read the logs / do useful shit. the lols part is the worst place for kids to start immitating. 1773247;1516447664;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773121 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773136 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773144 hey, thanks! 1773248;1516447664;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 16:21 asciilifeform: hey spyked ! i like your summary of the calc ops. 1773249;1516447664;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 16:57 asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/archive.html << pretty great stuff. he even reviews what happens to be some of asciilifeform's favourite msdos-era gamez. 1773250;1516447664;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 17:42 shinohai: This was actually a good piece too: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html 1773251;1516447930;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773162 <-- fixed; gotta do links justice! 1773252;1516447930;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 17:56 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked "Note that this article is not meant to replace the actual thing. If you want to understand FFA properly, go read FFA. And just so that we understand each other, that DeGrasse Tyson guy is an imbecile" << no links ? what did links ever do to you! 1773253;1516448022;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773176 <-- yikes! sorry phf, I fixed it (and double-checked, as I should have in the first place) --> http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/seals/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.spyked.sig 1773254;1516448022;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 19:11 phf: his 4th sig is non plaintext by the way, i threw it in since the eater ate, but this probably should be an anti-policy 1773255;1516448235;spyked;ftr, asciilifeform's ch4 seal (grabbed from http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig ) also seems to be binary (found it while double-checking my copies) 1773256;1516448344;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773164 <-- it doesn't send them, but now that you mention it, I might be able to add a (manually-operated) thing that does this. otherwise, thetarpit is just a set of statically-generated pages via handcrafted lisp-based contraption 1773257;1516448344;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 18:34 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked hey, does your tarpit not send pingbacks or is there some error ? what's the response if you say curl -v -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "pingback.pinghttp://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/ 1773258;1516448562;spyked;I am working on adding comments (one of the yet-untested ideas is reading only gpg-signed comments), but that's a low-priority item on todo list atm 1773259;1516453381;shinohai;Oh hey spyked .... nice of you to pop in. imho you are welcome anytime. 1773260;1516455760;spyked;thanks shinohai. :D the plan is to (at the very least) periodically share items of republican interest that I'm working on (e.g. ada lisp). progress has been very slow so far, but it's picking up 1773261;1516456129;shinohai;I was pretty impressed with your blog for sure, I am a terrible blogger myself. I might do better if I actually had a server to set up a blog on, but future project. 1773262;1516456395;shinohai;What do you use to generate your pages spyked, if I may ask? I have wp-mp of course, but my host charges more to set up mysql and crap so haven't ever done that yet. 1773263;1516458484;mircea_popescu;o hai spyked 1773264;1516458745;mircea_popescu;you ever hear that russell butade, "the problem with the world is that the idiots are cocksure while the smart people are full of doubt" ? 1773265;1516458939;spyked;shinohai, I use a self-rolled static page generator based on Common Lisp (CL-WHO) (and Pandoc for parsing Markdown, but pandoc and markdown are both optional, of course). I have the source code published on shithub, but it's mostly hacked together, so in this sense not very different from any static site generator. https://github.com/spyked/thetarpit.org <-- coad and text 1773266;1516458983;mircea_popescu;spyked phf uses a similar (handrolled, unpuiblished) item ; meanwhile lisp languishes in a sad marsh of unusability.\ 1773267;1516458983;shinohai;Ah neat, thanks spiked! Will give a look-over 1773268;1516458987;mircea_popescu;how about you genesis it ? 1773269;1516459069;spyked;hi mircea_popescu. sure, I remember russell's thing. but is that really a problem? (as long as there's a republic to squash the cocksure idiots) 1773270;1516459128;mircea_popescu;yes. for the lisp languishes reason above. 1773271;1516459143;spyked;sure, would be happy to cut apart the useful (non-thetarpit) bits and genesis. 1773272;1516459153;mircea_popescu;can go on the shelf! 1773273;1516459167;*;mircea_popescu was considering making a similar item too, it's a pretty good idea. 1773274;1516459273;spyked;there are some dependencies on cl-who and a few other libraries, which for now are taken as they are (similarly to trb "deps") 1773275;1516459337;spyked;so I'd probably sign them separately? 1773276;1516459345;mircea_popescu;hey, there ~already exists~ a sort of primitive "code shelf" on s.mg site : http://minigame.biz/eulora/source/ 1773277;1516459354;mircea_popescu;it includes such wonders as frozen nvidia drivers (binary) 1773278;1516459975;spyked;hm. "This exists because sourceforge went down for a week during July 2015, making it necessary to maintain local copies."; yeah, publishing these makes a lot of sense. I don't know if I'd find all the libraries I used for the blog if I were to look for them again. 1773279;1516460068;spyked;which reminds me that there are a lot of things that I've left hanging since december, e.g. the w3m-js shinohai found that I rebased, and the ns-js library. left hanging because I haven't yet figured how to make trilema js anchors highlight in w3m-js (or any other text browser) 1773280;1516460085;mircea_popescu;well so then! 1773281;1516460234;mircea_popescu;as to the chat, i'd much hear your malformed oppinions than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772852 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772915 ; http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22+orlo%22 ; http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=yarvin ; http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Yudkowsky and the rest of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767149 1773282;1516460234;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 01:30 asciilifeform: in other folx who apparently had gone fullbore usgtard since i last looked : lubos motl. e.g. https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/01/korean-backlash-to-planned-bitcoin.html . 1773283;1516460234;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 02:14 mircea_popescu: recall at some point was some pompous asshole locklin, "scientist" ? there's no end conceivable of supply. once one swallows the "always has choice" usg pill, that one becomes this. it's inescapable. 1773284;1516460234;a111;Logged on 2018-01-08 17:18 btcvixen: but i am female 1773285;1516460239;mircea_popescu;at least with you i know it's not intentional. 1773286;1516460252;shinohai;That w3m-js code is hairy indeed spyked .... its on back burner because been helping test some V changes and muddling through EuCrypt. 1773287;1516460341;spyked;mircea_popescu, I wanna first get a working item (js highlighting for trilema anchors) then make everything link into a static binary, then post them. as they are right now, I expect them to be unusable on many systems (e.g. musl-gentoo). 1773288;1516460354;mircea_popescu;that's a plan 1773289;1516460533;spyked;but yeah, ^ w3m code is weird. and besides, I don't know how text highlighting is supposed to work in a text-based browser. highlighting seems to be a terminal thing, which is weird, because both w3m and lynx/links can be compiled with mouse support! which is essential for that js snippet in trilema, because iirc it relies on onMouse* events. 1773290;1516460557;mircea_popescu;highlighting in this novel sense is a mouse concept 1773291;1516460576;mircea_popescu;very different from the alt-6 mark style of kbd term 1773292;1516460608;mircea_popescu;(but it is in some areas a progress -- for instance it has no concept of lines! all http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765765 ) 1773293;1516460608;a111;Logged on 2018-01-06 02:56 mircea_popescu: by title, author, paragraph and word offset. 1773294;1516460694;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1773295;1516460702;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12681.11, vol: 12028.04435018 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12592.0, vol: 46503.75514921 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12688.9, vol: 5237.5615253 | Volume-weighted last average: 12616.7664195 1773296;1516460735;spyked;aha. in particular, trilema anchors are generated based on the occurence of js dom-tree elements. wait, I'm gonna find an example 1773297;1516460744;mircea_popescu;no, i know, it is. 1773298;1516460758;mircea_popescu;dom-tree being html's retarded version of an ast. 1773299;1516460910;spyked;yeah. ideally, I would like to be able to look at the link and figure out to which text snippet it refers manually. or at least have a way to compute without parsing html. hm. 1773300;1516461098;spyked;(what I'm trying to do is separate the browser/linking text snippets part from the need to embed an entire js interpreter in there.) 1773301;1516461137;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1773302;1516461549;spyked;in theory, the browser itself could do the highlighting. but this breaks the URL scheme by introducing a magic "#selection-x.y-z.w" class of anchors. 1773303;1516461867;mircea_popescu;you will need a scripting lang to do scripty things howsoever you turn it 1773304;1516463021;mircea_popescu;spyked re pingback thing, doesn't even have to be that hand-generated ; just walk the db, extract all links, construct the calls as shown and make curl calls. can be a bash script. 1773305;1516463134;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773258 << i dun think this is such hot stuff ; i personally wouldn't bother to sign just to leave a comment. but if you care, here's an alternative : make a bot, have comments be sent to it via command. iirc danielpbarron had something somewhat in this vein, dun recall how automated tho 1773306;1516463134;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 11:42 spyked: I am working on adding comments (one of the yet-untested ideas is reading only gpg-signed comments), but that's a low-priority item on todo list atm 1773307;1516463438;spyked;calls should go only to WP links though, right? I don't remember how Wordpress did it (did it look for /xmlrpc.php ?). though I suppose it should work either way (non-WP links would 404 and that's that) 1773308;1516463464;spyked;the commentbot idea sounds pretty neat 1773309;1516463521;mircea_popescu;so if they go to non-wp links what happens. 1773310;1516463543;mircea_popescu;99% of all the stuff in anyone's www log is crap anyway ; going up to 100% in the case of facebook world. 1773311;1516463589;mircea_popescu;this is not even a fair statement : if you notice such a call in your log fail, it is YOUR item that is broken. the assumption that you're pingbackable is in fact ~The Right Thing~. 1773312;1516463592;mircea_popescu;two way web, bitches! 1773313;1516463613;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773255 << fixed. and ftr, pill : 1773314;1516463613;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 11:37 spyked: ftr, asciilifeform's ch4 seal (grabbed from http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig ) also seems to be binary (found it while double-checking my copies) 1773315;1516463618;asciilifeform;cat sad.sig | gpg --enarmor | sed 's|ARMORED FILE|SIGNATURE|' | awk '!/Comment/' > happy.sig 1773316;1516463634;asciilifeform;^ for anybody else who stepped on same koch mine 1773317;1516463663;asciilifeform;^ unlike 'just sign again', this will fix OTHER people's sig 1773318;1516463681;asciilifeform;and ohai spyked 1773319;1516464011;shinohai;http://archive.is/68Hwn <<< moar Chinese "smartphone" rekt 1773320;1516464021;asciilifeform;^ eggog 1773321;1516464024;shinohai;gah didnt archive 1773322;1516464035;shinohai;https://www.pcworld.com/article/3250045/android/oneplus-5t-credit-card-info-stolen.html 1773323;1516464715;BingoBoingo;In other news, signing contracts Monday in the afternoon. This weekendś adventure setting up a MUSL webserver for Qntra. 1773324;1516465020;shinohai;\o/ Nice work BingoBoingo 1773325;1516465148;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did you settle on what you'll use to offer vps ? 1773326;1516465206;BingoBoingo;Not yet 1773327;1516465210;mircea_popescu;aite. 1773328;1516465286;BingoBoingo;Going to need to get a beefier box here, likely going to be a beefy opteron fueled supermicro box 1773329;1516465326;mircea_popescu;a bunch actually. 1773330;1516465341;BingoBoingo;yeah 1773331;1516465443;BingoBoingo;But is very nice to have a day where the task does not involve trying to recieve sane outputs from the locals 1773332;1516465452;mircea_popescu;:p 1773333;1516465639;shinohai;Now your task involves getting sane output from a computer. 1773334;1516465659;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1773335;1516465676;BingoBoingo;At least that's less repetitive 1773336;1516465819;shinohai;Too bad 'OR 1=1/* doesn't work on them. 1773337;1516467045;spyked;hi asciilifeform. applied your pill on my tree, can confirm it did the job 1773338;1516467082;asciilifeform;spyked: result should be bitwise-equal to what is now on my www. 1773339;1516467234;spyked;it is (the payload, sans armor and version string) 1773340;1516467326;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773311 <-- pingback -- yes. XML-RPC -- dunno; I am not running php, so having a file called xmlrpc.php in my tree seems a bit odd; although I guess this is particular to wordpress, not to XML-RPC 1773341;1516467326;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 15:53 mircea_popescu: this is not even a fair statement : if you notice such a call in your log fail, it is YOUR item that is broken. the assumption that you're pingbackable is in fact ~The Right Thing~. 1773342;1516467386;mircea_popescu;that is tru. 1773343;1516467408;mircea_popescu;note however the format is flexible, there's a tag to announce rpc endpoint, and you can put there whatever you want. 1773344;1516467475;mircea_popescu;doesn't have to be .php 1773345;1516468152;*;spyked is reading the spec ( http://archive.is/FQ7P ); until now, lived with the wrong idea that pingbacks are a wp-dependent thing. but hey, it looks pretty clear! 1773346;1516468166;mircea_popescu;only thorn is the xml baked in, but w/e. 1773347;1516468334;mircea_popescu;i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy. 1773348;1516468334;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 14:39 mircea_popescu was considering making a similar item too, it's a pretty good idea. 1773349;1516468343;shinohai;http://archive.is/5mr7c <<< In printolade news "Tether printed MORE USD than US government in 2018" 1773350;1516468379;mircea_popescu;2. if i upload items, i'd very much like to use the already extant uploader ; but that thing puts everything in year/month directories. tho i think this is actually a good thing, tell people "do not link item directly, link the code shelf itself". 1773351;1516468424;mircea_popescu;the problem is that this intuition would seem imply that there are actually TWO kinds of links, ie first class and second class, and this is what ineptitudes like http code 30x are trying to implement 1773352;1516468430;*;asciilifeform has never used the wp uploaders, or given wp write-access to any unixdir 1773353;1516468431;mircea_popescu;"do not use 2nd class link as 1st class link". 1773354;1516468468;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, and alf has also never uploaded ten thousand images. which need to be autoscaled in multiple sizes and so on. 1773355;1516468489;asciilifeform;autoscaled?! 1773356;1516468493;mircea_popescu;yes. 1773357;1516468501;asciilifeform;why would you do this on the www box end 1773358;1516468507;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/dawn-1-560x373.jpg << consider. 1773359;1516468512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ? 1773360;1516468570;mircea_popescu;wtf is the remote box even for, if not to do the shit i don't need supervised. 1773361;1516468692;asciilifeform;i wouldn't even have conceived of doing image munging with a php proggy. masochism. 1773362;1516468715;asciilifeform;( what happens if bitflip and image is malformed ? ) 1773363;1516468728;mircea_popescu;i... notice 1773364;1516468735;asciilifeform;lol eventually sure 1773365;1516468760;mircea_popescu;um. it's either visible or it isn't neh. 1773366;1516468905;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773313 << i wrote a little checker for eater, and the other one binary is asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch.asciilifeform 1773367;1516468905;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 15:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773255 << fixed. and ftr, pill : 1773368;1516468931;mircea_popescu;nice of you. 1773369;1516468933;asciilifeform;oh hah. 1773370;1516468950;asciilifeform;the 'binary signature' thing is astonishingly idiotic kochism. 1773371;1516468989;asciilifeform;(consider, it is the default. why??) 1773372;1516468990;phf;also one of polarbeard's, but that one has to be reground anyway 1773373;1516469014;asciilifeform;incidentally mod6's v ( and mine also iirc ) eat'em without noticing 1773374;1516469028;asciilifeform;and probably anybody else's that verifies with gpg callout 1773375;1516469156;asciilifeform;in unrelated oldies : http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/will-it-optimize.html 1773376;1516469295;phf;gpgme doesn't tell you if original was armored, so requires a separate check (in before gpgme is evil), it does tell you everything about untrusted keys and source and such 1773377;1516470345;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <- I think pages should take pingbacks! and tbh I never really understood why are "pages" so special; the way I see it, "pages" are just posts outside of the time-flow, "sticky" posts basically 1773378;1516470345;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy. 1773379;1516470420;mircea_popescu;diana_coman just about 1773380;1516470464;diana_coman;ftr I'm still on wp purely because there has always been something else topping the pile; I just about switched to statically generated pages too but I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in 1773381;1516470529;mircea_popescu;im not gonna. how do you do comments, comment counts, headers etc. 1773382;1516470547;mircea_popescu;every updatre to a footer (eg, the select script) has to take a bash script ? meh. 1773383;1516470568;diana_coman;hence the end of the line there: "I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in" 1773384;1516470575;mircea_popescu;myea 1773385;1516473564;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT9ncn0WAAAjviQ.jpg 1773386;1516473611;phf;in unrelated i managed to produce a literate programming dvi out of diff's source code from first principles. the actual content is not really a literate programing, since it was mechanically produced, and it doesn't yet compile since cat of headers and source produce a bunch of duplicate definitions, but first step. 1773387;1516473667;phf;dvi>ps i had to use a full tex install, because i haven't found a non-modern dvips implementation yet. 1773388;1516473758;phf;works out to about 170 pages of very nicely typeset source code. this is actually first time i'm working with printed source code proper (unlike ascii i prefer to work on-screen) and it's quite a joy 1773389;1516473920;phf;by the way, knuth's CWEB nicely solves the whole auto-wrapped comment issue. the TeX part doesn't mandate newlines, and obviously does it's own formatting, but the C part is also very aggressively formatted by the CWEB code. specifically /* comments */ are treated as TeX source, and get re-wrapped according to TeX rules. 1773390;1516474089;asciilifeform;phf: consider posting ? 1773391;1516474193;phf;it's considered, i'm just thinking from which side to start unraveling this spitoon 1773392;1516474249;phf;also the whole exercise only becomes worthwhile if i can also produce reasonable html out of the cweb source, since there's general allergy here to pdf/ps 1773393;1516474312;asciilifeform;eh my printer eats ps, pdf. 1773394;1516474332;asciilifeform;ideal, in fact, for reading. 1773395;1516474354;asciilifeform;i fucking hate printer-generated pagebreaks. 1773396;1516476764;phf;" British 15-year-old gained access to intelligence operations in Afghanistan and Iran by pretending to be head of CIA, court hears" 1773397;1516476817;phf;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/19/british-15-year-old-gained-access-intelligence-operations-afghanistan/ 1773398;1516476832;*;phf salutes 1773399;1516476966;shinohai;TOP KEK 1773400;1516477062;asciilifeform;not arrested : the emplaced-seekritz-in-aol-acct idjit reptile 1773401;1516477100;asciilifeform;nor the war criminals whose seekritz they were. etc 1773402;1516486446;phf;!!up l0de 1773403;1516486447;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes. 1773404;1516486459;phf;!!up webbyz 1773405;1516486459;deedbot;webbyz voiced for 30 minutes. 1773406;1516488904;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <-as I realised I never said this anywhere: this trouble with no-pingbacks on page is part of the reason why I have post+page for this sort of thing (the code reference shelf is one, the bac data another) - so that pingbacks can go at least to the post introducing the page; ugly workaround of sorts 1773407;1516488904;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy. 1773408;1516490205;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/20/urbanism-feminises-judaism-desexualises-or-the-waxing-fashionability-of-being-penetrated/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Urbanism feminises, Judaism desexualises. Or the waxing fashionability of being penetrated. 1773409;1516491377;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771712 << at the risk of thread necromancy ( item was candidate for ch8, so i gotta ) this is false. FZ_Mod_Mul as seen in ch7 IS bufferized, because ch7's FZ_Mod is. 1773410;1516491377;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 15:32 apeloyee: FZ_Mod_Mul also 1773411;1516491591;asciilifeform;i.e. Product is only written to as result of the FZ_Mod call , http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L148 , which in turn , inside FZ_Mod, is a clean 1-shot, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L102 . QED. 1773412;1516502095;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773147 << I've got several cleanup patches coming before the walletsnip. anybody have a serious objection to me introducing a changelog in the first? 1773413;1516502095;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 17:48 mircea_popescu: incidentally, there's an evident join here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772670 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759127 are evidently the same item. have a comment format for it and bam, project philosophy file with press history. 1773414;1516502106;trinque;sorry, several *trb* patches 1773415;1516502156;asciilifeform;trinque: is there a changelog-eating vtron somewhere ? 1773416;1516502163;trinque;literature seems exactly the right item to define line of project history, both in the obvious and vtronic sense 1773417;1516502169;trinque;asciilifeform: why'd it need to know anything about it 1773418;1516502175;asciilifeform;aa it's a human one 1773419;1516502176;asciilifeform;nm 1773420;1516506804;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2175 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 8: Interlude: Randomism. 1773421;1516506879;asciilifeform;^ ACHTUNG, panzers! 1773422;1516506914;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot 1773423;1516506915;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1773424;1516506919;asciilifeform;!!A ?# 1773425;1516506938;asciilifeform;lol oughta update it first, ahaha 1773426;1516506977;asciilifeform;!!down pehbot 1773427;1516507057;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot 1773428;1516507057;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1773429;1516507061;asciilifeform;!A ?# 1773430;1516507061;pehbot;asciilifeform: B7E63793186E450095BE847716C18343C7236B72CC71C50CA37080DF26E8C187 1773431;1516507063;asciilifeform;!A ?# 1773432;1516507063;pehbot;asciilifeform: 65538FF84117D1F8065B218B2791C8D847B91B42274FBDB36061F3F38ACE74D1 1773433;1516507064;asciilifeform;!A ?# 1773434;1516507065;pehbot;asciilifeform: 945EF6CC63EFA6F8F8E912A3E6B8D98EA9F8AB5420363DE59187A055003F393C 1773435;1516507065;asciilifeform;!A ?# 1773436;1516507066;pehbot;asciilifeform: A8026C7DED2F18208F70797AE7ECEFFAF8C6F6BBAAF297B749CE6F6943BB354A 1773437;1516507067;asciilifeform;!A ?# 1773438;1516507067;pehbot;asciilifeform: 981B66B08F3AD2E24AED75375B84B15EDA9DEF91B6213213A22E94A620D0F31F 1773439;1516507068;asciilifeform;etc. 1773440;1516507192;phf;asciilifeform: patches updated 1773441;1516507196;asciilifeform;ty phf ! 1773442;1516507368;phf;i don't grok the first homework: do you mean produce random computations, and programmatically verify ffa against them? 1773443;1516507407;phf;asciilifeform ^ 1773444;1516507408;asciilifeform;phf: should print a, e.g., valid perlism or pythonism, that has an, e.g., foo*bar==baz 1773445;1516507430;asciilifeform;or rather, if foo*bar == baz print "true" else print "false" or in that spirit. 1773446;1516507435;asciilifeform;i thought it was pretty clear . 1773447;1516507442;phf;ooh ffacalc should do that 1773448;1516507445;asciilifeform;aha!! 1773449;1516515900;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773406 << yeah i think ima have the page style changed. 1773450;1516515900;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 22:55 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <-as I realised I never said this anywhere: this trouble with no-pingbacks on page is part of the reason why I have post+page for this sort of thing (the code reference shelf is one, the bac data another) - so that pingbacks can go at least to the post introducing the page; ugly workaround of sorts 1773451;1516515967;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773416 << but make it cool. 1773452;1516515967;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 02:36 trinque: literature seems exactly the right item to define line of project history, both in the obvious and vtronic sense 1773453;1516548252;mircea_popescu;really ? 1773454;1516548300;mircea_popescu;!!pay BingoBoingo 0.25 1773455;1516548305;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DAmcV/?raw=true 1773456;1516548333;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do a few trades with the locals to get a feeling of the place an' report ; also gpgram me the story of bbisp fiat holdings ab origine. 1773457;1516548542;shinohai;gm mircea_popescu .... well it appears to be an Argentine, what to expect? lol 1773458;1516548745;mircea_popescu;heh 1773459;1516550166;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "going back to school" footage, http://78.media.tumblr.com/73ffe3190c6d38afe2a384cab6b1b60e/tumblr_oh67lkmHIl1rqo4hto1_400.gif 1773460;1516550491;shinohai;https://twitter.com/array_boy/status/954872144365842432 <<< "You KINDA lost your money" 1773461;1516550496;shinohai;LMAO 1773462;1516550527;mircea_popescu;kids can't commit. 1773463;1516553486;mircea_popescu;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y01/038-the-archive.html << this is so fucking endearing. 1773464;1516553502;*;mircea_popescu just re-read it, and it's like... hello 1995! where were you all these years! 1773465;1516553557;mircea_popescu;here's the sad fact of the matter : if you plot the HVF against the IVF, you will discover that the diff doesn't get above water until far far FAR three standard fucking deviations out in right field. for most humans information value is negative. 1773466;1516553669;mircea_popescu;(where HVF is the human value function, ie in most cases http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-133.333-133.484 ; and IVF the information value function, ie in most cases... http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#footnote_0_57849 ) 1773467;1516553809;mircea_popescu;and i don't even mean ~subjective~ functions here! it's not a case that "to the exceptionally gifted as identified by ivy league, worth as he is maybe $1000 with clothes included, the subjectively perceived marginal value of information is slightly negative. no, no, no, OBJECTIVE, you can tell him whatever the fuck you will and he will not have any use for it -- i don't mean "he won't be able to find any use, above his $1k pa 1773468;1516553809;mircea_popescu;ygrade", i mean there WILL NOT, period, be anything he could have fucken found. 1773469;1516553996;*;asciilifeform walks this thread back in time, finds, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473632 1773470;1516553996;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:37 asciilifeform: but i find it hard to see how it is not obvious that 'every sewer rat can publish' is a considerable damper on culture 1773471;1516554100;mircea_popescu;that's even a separate problem, naggum's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-26#532023 1773472;1516554100;a111;Logged on 2014-02-26 06:23 asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.' 1773473;1516554154;mircea_popescu;we're not even considering the point of, "could okcupid/facebook/mit/etc scum rewrite trilema". we are considering whether "the collective of x" COULD EVEN BENEFIT from reading it. 1773474;1516554238;asciilifeform;i suspect that the 'benefits from reading x' circle is never all ~that~ much larger than the corresponding 'could have written x' circle. 1773475;1516554270;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/la-ce-imi-serveste-mie-radicalurile/ fails to even consider or discuss this point (for sheer lack of interest at the time), BUT : for most people, square roots as the concept do not bring any sort of gain. 1773476;1516554271;shinohai;A monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will surely recreate Trilema! 1773477;1516554305;asciilifeform;dunno, even carpenter uses sqrt 1773478;1516554319;mircea_popescu;teaching MOST girls basic numeracy is not actually a gain for the most girls in question ; the whole thing is that for the ~very fucking few~ for whom it IS a gain, it is such a thundersome gain it eclipses the "inconvenience" imposed upon the majority. 1773479;1516554320;asciilifeform;but plankton -- does not, no 1773480;1516554344;mircea_popescu;which is why societies that fail to teach basic numeracy to girls as a collective spring up all the time, and quite naturally : they are realising "savings" in the sense of bacteriums. 1773481;1516554375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and so what if "Even carpenter" ? most items that crawl out from between woman's legs can never be a carpenter. 1773482;1516554382;mircea_popescu;fucking jesus was a MEDIOCRE carpenter. 1773483;1516554416;mircea_popescu;but yes, asciilifeform 's suspicion is very much my own -- the "chuka writer" and the "chuka reader" circles are very close to identity. 1773484;1516554594;mircea_popescu;(has any of the reformed-judaism-that-calls-itself-xtianity folk even CONSIDER to date that it's fucking weird their divine item was shown as ~a very competent nigger~, talking smack in church and whatnot, but is not even CONSIDERED in terms of his vocation ? where's the passage in the "here's what we stole from torah" where it is gone into detail as to the quality of the man's joints ? because there's oodlebunches of idle pa 1773485;1516554595;mircea_popescu;ges of x begot y who lived z until one falls over. THAT is what interests you ? really ?) 1773486;1516554647;mircea_popescu;i wanna see jesus' carpenting school exam work, not that he fucking impressed a buncha journahos with his "profundity". 1773487;1516554719;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu went to the wrong door, then, lol, the christians dun worship artisanry, the masonic door is down the hall 1773488;1516554748;asciilifeform;( imho cargocultized artisanry is not particularly more attractive than this item. ) 1773489;1516554825;asciilifeform;though could observe, the brotherhood of folx who indeed 'serveste mie radicalurile' went pretty far. 1773490;1516555047;mircea_popescu;if you are to evaluate a <30 yo boy, do you want to see his nigger records or his work records ? 1773491;1516555069;asciilifeform;depends on evaluate-for-what 1773492;1516555086;mircea_popescu;consider : http://trilema.com/2012/culture-shock-ama/ 1773493;1516555124;mircea_popescu;noob joins trilema, someone asks sto etcetera, noob answers.... "here's a thing i made", and it goes over well. 1773494;1516555149;asciilifeform;depends on the cost of evaluating $thing. 1773495;1516555152;mircea_popescu;noob answers a la http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lubos+motl it's not JUST that it doesn't go well. it goes fucking terribad. 1773496;1516555156;asciilifeform;( recall the fermat proof thread ) 1773497;1516555177;mircea_popescu;yet to date we've always evaluated. 1773498;1516555376;asciilifeform;in re n00bs, in other noose , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2175&cpage=1#comment-18895 1773499;1516556239;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he has an excellent point though. it's fucking unseemly, EVERYONe must report to google they're reading loper ? come the fuck on. 1773500;1516556251;asciilifeform;i get a spamturd PER MINUTE 1773501;1516556261;asciilifeform;and i dun have a dedicated slave to delete'em. 1773502;1516556264;mircea_popescu;use mp-wp, dun have the problem. 1773503;1516556271;asciilifeform;can't use, dynamic ip. 1773504;1516556284;mircea_popescu;i have the feeling we discuss this periodically. what's dynamic ip to do with it ? 1773505;1516556383;shinohai;http://archive.is/Q2ifR <<< In SFYL news 1773506;1516556393;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall how your spam filter works ? 1773507;1516556408;mircea_popescu;i think so, yes. 1773508;1516556513;*;asciilifeform reviewing notes from last attempt at mp-wp 1773509;1516556560;asciilifeform;lulzily enuff, still there, http://asciilifeform.com , sitting sadly 1773510;1516556594;mircea_popescu;my own notes say "he for some reason confused the ip of the people leaving comments with his own, went off tangent ; to be rediscussed later". 1773511;1516556620;asciilifeform;i'd luvv to find that i botched it with idjit mistake and in fact it worx 1773512;1516556630;mircea_popescu;it's the expectation here. 1773513;1516556676;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu didja ever describe how your spamfilter worked, in the logz ? 1773514;1516556723;hanbot;asciilifeform i'm using mp-wp on nfs and spam works pretty much as expected ---though having ~10k marked spam comments helps. 1773515;1516556725;mircea_popescu;there's a number of parts to it! but it makes no foreign calls / doesn't rely on the akismet bs, if you can run php oyu definitely should be able to run it 1773516;1516556760;asciilifeform;hanbot: what means '10k marked spam comments' ? and didja ever post your patches on mp-wp ? 1773517;1516556812;asciilifeform;and if it works on hanbot's www, it oughta work in mine, unless hanbot's definition of 'works' differs from mine 1773518;1516556856;mircea_popescu;one thing it does is wholesalenfljerseyscheap.cc/]Cheap NFL Jerseys Wholesale[/url], quiet,[url=wholesalenfljerseyscheap.cc/]Cheap Jerseys Online[/url], and persuasive, rather then demanding or sharp. This is why; getting all the information about most suitable nuts and bolts detroit company is important.Another benefit of renting construction equipment is that you get to manage your budge 1773544;1516557244;mircea_popescu;t well because you only have to pay for the number of days and weeks that the equipment would be used.The back office library is like a gold mine of thousand dollar methods used by the leading earners in the business. 1773545;1516557245;asciilifeform;( hey recall those old ru forums with integrals ! ) 1773546;1516557248;mircea_popescu;adaptive text! 1773547;1516557284;mircea_popescu;aaand holy shit! "Предлагаем нашим покупателям удивительное средство для похудения сироп Мангустина. С его помощью можно избавиться от 10 kg за 2 недели." 1773548;1516557288;mircea_popescu;!#s mangosteen 1773549;1516557289;a111;4 results for "mangosteen", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mangosteen 1773550;1516557307;mircea_popescu;LOWTAX LIVES!! in russia! 1773551;1516557307;asciilifeform;lolwaat 1773552;1516557311;asciilifeform;is it made from mangust?! 1773553;1516557317;asciilifeform;( mongoose ? ) 1773554;1516557327;mircea_popescu;nah some plant ; ancient internet lulz. 1773555;1516557360;*;asciilifeform in 'museum of komunnist konsoomer' leafed through ancient ro mags, and ran into the 'gerovital' lulgem 1773556;1516557376;mircea_popescu;https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Lowtax << primer 1773557;1516557386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thatactuallyworked.!!! 1773558;1516557431;asciilifeform;it was hilarious, i went into a couplea pharmacies, saw ~nuffin that was recognizable as actual pharma, mostly various gerovitals, groundhog fats, snake oils (literally) 1773559;1516557460;mircea_popescu;they sell better. 1773560;1516557489;asciilifeform;placebocin!111 1773561;1516557981;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "this is what YOU MUST DO! TODAY!!! so your shithole country/town/life/whatever picks up", http://78.media.tumblr.com/c04a49b94572fe2aaeb4208cc78b4a6e/tumblr_od98qpXtJo1uu92gho1_1280.png 1773562;1516562583;hanbot;hey shinohai, what is wp-patch2.diff in the mp-wp hosted @ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ? i see no sig, no...from where/whom is it? 1773563;1516562852;shinohai;I was unsure hanbot, I don't recall if I ever asked mp about it, or why it was included in the copy I got originally. 1773564;1516562904;shinohai;The only garbage I remember in the one on my site was I changed icons in the images/ directory, otherwise I believe as I received. 1773565;1516563175;shinohai;Worth looking into tho, I should grep and see if this patch was applied at some point in there. Thanks for notifying! 1773566;1516563345;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo do a few trades with the locals to get a feeling of the place an' report ; also gpgram me the story of bbisp fiat holdings ab origine. << Will do 1773567;1516563626;shinohai;I like that `bbisp` 1773568;1516563964;mircea_popescu;hm, i don't recall that diff file hanbot 1773569;1516564048;shinohai;It all appears to be code related to comments. 1773570;1516564053;hanbot;mircea_popescu no wonder --looks like you published it (for phf & asciilifeform) on july 3rd of 2016, file date is july 23rd 1773571;1516564061;mircea_popescu;hah 1773572;1516564179;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1496554 << iirc it was this 1773573;1516564179;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 23:19 phf: asciilifeform: i also made a patch, but sounds like you don't need it anymore http://107.170.141.103/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wp-comments.diff 1773574;1516564204;mircea_popescu;aaa 1773575;1516564332;mircea_popescu;genesisless patches ftw. 1773576;1516565811;hanbot;in other lulz, check out /mp-wp/blog/wp-includes/Text/Diff.php 1773577;1516565831;hanbot;only 400 LOC! 1773578;1516565899;hanbot;mircea_popescu, what is this pingback-updater.php item? 1773579;1516566134;mircea_popescu;sometimes (often) wordpress manages to lose a pingback ; that thing will walk your db, spit out properly formatted xml payloads for all links in all your (published) posts. the resuilt can be run as a bash script to catch up on any missed pingbacks. 1773580;1516566159;mircea_popescu;basically mechanized http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773304 1773581;1516566159;a111;Logged on 2018-01-20 15:43 mircea_popescu: spyked re pingback thing, doesn't even have to be that hand-generated ; just walk the db, extract all links, construct the calls as shown and make curl calls. can be a bash script. 1773582;1516566223;hanbot;ah cool 1773583;1516567729;*;mod6 is having some fun stepping through some ffa procedures 1773584;1516567759;mod6;(short side quest) 1773585;1516568844;shinohai;http://oglaf.com/doctor-hexagon/ 1773586;1516569759;trinque;google "asciilifeform_kills_integer_retardation", get >> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJKpqS2UYAAAA9i.jpg 1773587;1516570131;mod6;lmao 1773588;1516570147;mod6;ROBOBUTT 1773589;1516570210;shinohai;Boffing purple drank is best way to kill ALL retardation. 1773590;1516570221;trinque;to kill retards anyway 1773591;1516570375;shinohai;Paging btcvixen 1773592;1516570456;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DZ3Mc/?raw=true 1773593;1516570456;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1773594;1516570484;BingoBoingo;BRB, sobertime 1773595;1516570670;trinque;anyhow if anyone recalls specifically why int64_t was present on some systems and not others, I'd be interested for the HISTORY file. 1773596;1516570725;trinque;my current wager is folks that had it were using a gcc5, which is defaulted to a later standard for C 1773597;1516570729;trinque;and has the type 1773598;1516570784;trinque;same deal with uint32_t iirc. 1773599;1516570786;trinque;asciilifeform: ^ ? 1773600;1516571351;mircea_popescu;trinque i can tell you it was a multi-week pain in the ass to clear the shit out of eulora codebase. 1773601;1516571370;mircea_popescu;basically, 32 bit had an int type that became incompatible with 64 bit for ~no reason 1773602;1516571395;mircea_popescu;it all comes back down to "byte is machine word but idiots wanna do dumb shit", im pretty sure 1773603;1516571824;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773562 << pretty sure that's one of mine, it's either comments.diff or it could be a diff against the baseline wp of that vintage (i wanted to see what kind of modifications exactly mp version introduced) 1773604;1516571824;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 19:23 hanbot: hey shinohai, what is wp-patch2.diff in the mp-wp hosted @ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ? i see no sig, no...from where/whom is it? 1773605;1516571884;shinohai;Hmmm ... I may have put it in there to test or something. 1773606;1516571940;mircea_popescu;yesbut! YOU SEE ? 1773607;1516571943;mircea_popescu;don't do that. 1773608;1516571994;phf;did you get the source directly from mp, or did i republish it? i remember being asked for the source and putting it up at some point, but i don't remember by whom and too lazy to log in this case 1773609;1516572047;phf;eh, at best an idle curiosity. in any case original prod didn't have any diffs in it 1773610;1516572116;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how the hell can that thing contain NO numeric characters ?! do it properly, x - y - z - k = q. 1773611;1516572918;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "i'm just the doorman", http://78.media.tumblr.com/6c5e2674d445a6547e578c7061b531e2/tumblr_inline_o2qnfetugT1thjhje_1280.jpg 1773612;1516573558;hanbot;i'm trying to make a genesis for mp-wp ; first coupla lines of vdiff's output could be a problem: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/irACN/?raw=true . what's the policy on this? 1773613;1516573578;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/iti-minca-cinii-din-straita/ << Trilema - Iti minca cinii din straita 1773614;1516573645;phf;hanbot: there's no policy on this, it's an unsolved problem with lots of different solutions 1773615;1516573686;phf;the oldest solution, by i believe mp, is "replace all the mp-wp images with their svg equivalents" 1773616;1516573708;mircea_popescu;myeah. phf will your differ properly handle binaries by hash ? 1773617;1516573750;phf;second solution that was entertained by ascii was to base64 encode binaries and have a second pass with something like makefile to pack them back into place 1773618;1516573769;hanbot;hmm, alright 1773619;1516573814;phf;third solution, that's latest conversation in logs on subj is that perhaps binary blobs don't really belong in a vdiff which is a human readable code container, and should just be packed separately into e.g. a signed TAR archive and unpacked into place as a second pass 1773620;1516573858;mircea_popescu;hanbot honestly looking at the list, just delete them 1773621;1516573867;mircea_popescu;let people provide their fucking own avatar favicon etc. 1773622;1516573890;phf;you're going to run into png's that are admin interface ux elements that you can't just delete 1773623;1516573902;mircea_popescu;;/ 1773624;1516573905;hanbot;yeah 1773625;1516573907;mircea_popescu;how come not on her list ? 1773626;1516573920;phf;there's a reason why mp-wp hasn't been genesised yet :p 1773627;1516573939;hanbot;mircea_popescu they're further down in the vpatch. ugh. 1773628;1516574071;phf;mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what "properly handle" is, given the many conversations on the subj. there's no reason why it couldn't if there was some direction as far as proper. i'm personally leaning towards the idea that binary blobs shouldn't be in vpatch (as per latest thread on subj), but it's a non-pragmatic take 1773629;1516574119;mircea_popescu;phf there's no direction re proper cuz of first principle issues, i dun want to make dumb part of the history. 1773630;1516574133;phf;right 1773631;1516574305;phf;(there's yet another solution is to actually provide a binary patcher, that uses some minimal delta algorithm to patch files, while also providing the patching details in plain text. so you could say that the result is readable in a sense that it takes file FOO and replaces bits #10 #1343 #325435 etc) 1773632;1516574322;mircea_popescu;kinda what i was asking 1773633;1516574330;mircea_popescu;and why minimal. do actual fragment recognition. 1773634;1516575343;douchebag;mircea_popescu: I'm a little bored at the moment and I'm looking to practice my web application pentesting skills, would you mind if I took a look at your site and try to identify any potenial vulnerabilities? 1773635;1516575363;mircea_popescu;go ahead. which site is that ? 1773636;1516575398;douchebag;trilema.com I believe? 1773637;1516575401;mircea_popescu;sure. 1773638;1516575467;douchebag;Alright forsure, if I were to find something how would you want me to disclose the information to you in a secure manner? 1773639;1516575544;mircea_popescu;can just say it here. 1773640;1516575567;douchebag;Forsure 1773641;1516575637;douchebag;Last night I found a rather interesting vulnerability in a website for a bug bounty, second time I've been able to leverage SSRF to XXE, very fun stuff. 1773642;1516575857;douchebag;Does anyone else in this chat into web application pentesting? 1773643;1516575864;douchebag;Is anyone* 1773644;1516575932;mircea_popescu;douchebag you mean like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770657 ? 1773645;1516575932;a111;Logged on 2018-01-15 07:15 mircea_popescu: well, lessee, stuff that might be of professional interest to you then. http://trilema.com/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item http://trilema.com/internet-census-2016 http://trilema.com/xenforo-no-better-than-vbulletin-certainly-not-all-that-different etc. 1773646;1516575956;douchebag;Yes exactly 1773647;1516575999;mircea_popescu;notreally ; republic mostly despises the sv-powered "tech" ; you'll find pmarca's notion of "the web" doesn't carry much water, or interest, among actually competent computer folk. 1773648;1516576096;hanbot;re the binary files thing: here's a conversion of the rss feed image on the trilema footer ( http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/rss.jpg ) : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fLVsf/?raw=true thoughts? 1773649;1516576126;mircea_popescu;hanbot ima put this in and see. standby 1773650;1516576135;douchebag;What do you mean by sv-powered tech? 1773651;1516576165;mircea_popescu;incidentally re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766550 : https://archive.is/56zkT#selection-2319.1-2318.1 1773652;1516576165;a111;Logged on 2018-01-07 20:28 mircea_popescu: he also wrote a lisp-is-faster-than-c item back in the days the microsoft hired hands were pissing all over o'reilly&marc "my middle name is cocksucker" andressen's java 1773653;1516576168;mircea_popescu;2000 vintage no less. 1773654;1516576225;mircea_popescu;douchebag you're familiar with how there's a group of idle cocksuckers holding conferences and printing books about "technology!" which immutably consists of pointless websites run as investor swindles ? groupon, facebook, what have you. http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ sorta thing. 1773655;1516576240;mircea_popescu;sv there stands for silly-cons valey. 1773656;1516576247;mircea_popescu;and con stands for confidence game, ie scam. 1773657;1516576316;shinohai;Some of us do like to lul about it when it happens, notwithstanding. 1773658;1516576422;mircea_popescu;hanbot http://trilema.com/2018/iti-minca-cinii-din-straita/ << pretty terrible, lost all transparency etc. but WILL WORK. 1773659;1516576437;mircea_popescu;i would definitely put up with this in exchange for all-svg. 1773660;1516576457;mircea_popescu;and at 5kb which is mostly comment crap... 1773661;1516576482;douchebag;Ohh right, I understand. I agree, however to me I treat web application pentesting as almost a sort of game or puzzle, in my opinion it is rather entertaining challenge to be able to modify a web applications behavior in a way that leads to total comprimise. 1773662;1516576519;mircea_popescu;i guess. stuff like http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/ pays better. 1773663;1516576538;mircea_popescu;but yes, fucking up the empire's "technology" ie, websites, is a perfectly fine entry point towards actual life. 1773664;1516576670;douchebag;I plan on learning more about low level memory exploitation in the future, however it's a bit more difficult these days due to stack canaries and other protections to prevent that sort of stuff from happening. 1773665;1516576699;mircea_popescu;i thought the whole "memory security" shit sandwich just got blown to smithereens coupla weeks ago. 1773666;1516576749;douchebag;Oh it did 1773667;1516576765;mircea_popescu;how old are you, if you don't mind teh asking ? 1773668;1516576771;douchebag;I'm 19 1773669;1516576788;mircea_popescu;to quote the universal george c. "that's a fun age!" 1773670;1516576885;hanbot;mircea_popescu : if you'd prefer, there's also a format to encapsulate em as base64: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/RlPyK/?raw=true 1773671;1516576886;mircea_popescu;anyway, you're on to something here douchebag ; work on it, with serious dedication, by the time you're as old as the rest of these guys you'll prolly be more valuable than them. 1773672;1516576900;mircea_popescu;hanbot o shit yeah! you just cracked this nut wide open. 1773673;1516576913;mircea_popescu;do me a favour and walk the list of binary images, applying one or the other as best fits. 1773674;1516576941;mircea_popescu;no-binary mp-wp is a major fucking progress ; and if we set the groundwork for eventual complete rejection of all binary formats, image and then video, holy hell we got it. 1773675;1516576964;hanbot;kk! 1773676;1516577204;douchebag;Thanks man, I've been spending a lot of my time focusing on security research and helping others get involved in the InfoSec community. I have a pretty decent resume compared to most people I go to college with because I have a pretty decent amount of experience, and when it comes to InfoSec jobs experience is probably the most important factor for most employers 1773677;1516577899;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773463 <-- lol! and quite naive, didn't actually consider information value at all; kinda begs the question of the ifv in the ol' library of alexandria. probably a lot higher than the web, given the economy of writing (imposed by those times' tech). brings us back full circle to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473632 1773678;1516577899;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 16:51 mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y01/038-the-archive.html << this is so fucking endearing. 1773679;1516577899;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:37 asciilifeform: but i find it hard to see how it is not obvious that 'every sewer rat can publish' is a considerable damper on culture 1773680;1516578058;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773596 <-- iirc intN_t are C99-specific types, but gcc 4.8 and 4.9 compile just fine, assuming stdint.h is included (workedfor me even with -std=c90) 1773681;1516578058;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 21:38 trinque: my current wager is folks that had it were using a gcc5, which is defaulted to a later standard for C 1773682;1516578074;trinque;read moar context. 1773683;1516578089;trinque;that is exactly what the patch did, include stdint.h 1773684;1516578119;trinque;my question was particularly what let people get by without it, and it appears to be a question of what c standard was the default in what gcc 1773685;1516578970;*;spyked looked at the patch. admits to not being able to compile an example with gcc 4.9 nor 5; so there's probably more to it, e.g. C++ voodoo. I'm curious of asciilifeform's answer 1773686;1516578979;*;trinque also 1773687;1516580021;mircea_popescu;douchebag got a blog or anything ? 1773688;1516580047;douchebag;Yeah, I sent it to you previous 1773689;1516580067;mircea_popescu;spyked well, i expect the ivf of ye olde library was epsilon. as alf says, "entomologist only". because wtf do they have, a story of two scytales ? tyvm, it's obsolete. 1773690;1516580071;mircea_popescu;douchebag link ? 1773691;1516580077;douchebag;https://medium.com/@0xHyde 1773692;1516580089;mircea_popescu;a right medium. i mean YOURS. like, you know, trilema. 1773693;1516580104;mircea_popescu;not on some "platform" that'll "turn it off" the moment you no longer serve their bosses. 1773694;1516580220;douchebag;Oh no, not yet I'll throw something up the next time I find something interesting to blog about. Currently I'm using medium as a way to get better known in the community 1773695;1516580296;mircea_popescu;is it working ? 1773696;1516580456;douchebag;Actually yes it is, I've seen a number of people who reposted my medium blog on a few websites other than medium. The people who are reposting this found my blog post through medium and shared it elsewhere 1773697;1516580466;mircea_popescu;cool then. 1773698;1516580493;douchebag;However, if I just were to have my own blog on my own website it would be a bit more difficult for people to find it until I am better known in the community 1773699;1516580545;mircea_popescu;i can see the logic. 1773700;1516580549;mircea_popescu;got twitter and whatnot too ? 1773701;1516580571;douchebag;yes 1773702;1516580618;douchebag;I only use my Twitter for infosec related stuff 1773703;1516580751;douchebag;I've learned a ridiculous amount about infosec and met some extremely talented people by following security researchers on twitter. 1773704;1516580773;mircea_popescu;good for you 1773705;1516580829;douchebag;I think the next thing I'm going to blog about is this: http://kb.pulsesecure.net/articles/Pulse_Security_Advisories/SA43018/?q=RDP&l=en_US&fs=RelatedArticle 1773706;1516582406;shinohai;http://archive.is/s0ZIM "We apologize for this breach and will do all in our power to ensure that it never happens again." #sfyl 1773707;1516582909;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo how the hell can that thing contain NO numeric characters ?! do it properly, x - y - z - k = q. << I appologize. I got drunk last night and rushed the report in order to get my ass into an AA meeting. 1773708;1516582977;BingoBoingo;I had been slacking on meeting to get more Spanish conversation in, and when the pretty girl offered me a beer in her place there was no resistance. 1773709;1516583212;BingoBoingo;The only serious cost discovered so far has been to my sanity. 1773710;1516583332;mircea_popescu;heh 1773711;1516583423;BingoBoingo;I woke up at 9:30 this morning in a fat chick's bed. I didn't know those existed here. Today had been a day of confusion, convalescence, and doubt. 1773712;1516583456;mircea_popescu;hey, what dun kill ye makes ye fatter... 1773713;1516583785;shinohai;Fatties need love too BingoBoingo bwahahahaha 1773714;1516583876;trinque;!#s from:BingoBoingo fat 1773715;1516583876;a111;167 results for "from:BingoBoingo fat", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3ABingoBoingo%20fat 1773716;1516583920;*;trinque chortles mightily 1773717;1516584152;mircea_popescu;got his comeuppance did he 1773718;1516584176;BingoBoingo;It has been a serious blow to the confidence reserve, but it has been a aid to the nofap challenge LATAM edition 1773719;1516584196;mircea_popescu;dun sweat it too much bb, everyone enjoys fucking a fat girl now and again. 1773720;1516584368;BingoBoingo;But I did find a local AA sponsor at the meeting tonight. In the interim my sweat hasn't smelled this bad since the first time I sobered up. 1773721;1516584377;shinohai;The more you fuck, the more calories she burns, so actually you are doing her a favor. 1773722;1516584379;trinque;goebbels is allowed to bang jewish chicks so long as he whistles Deutschlandlied during 1773723;1516584380;mircea_popescu;wait, you actually got drunk ? 1773724;1516584392;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yes 1773725;1516584422;BingoBoingo;Hence injury to the sanity 1773726;1516584428;mircea_popescu;tsk. 1773727;1516584443;shinohai;!~step1 1773728;1516584443;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 1773729;1516584459;shinohai;It's still there for you BB 1773730;1516584777;BingoBoingo;Being in LATAM and full of gringo confidence I slacked on my recovery. Going forward the talking to pretty girls time budget is going to have to take some cuts to make more room for talking to old men about feelings. 1773731;1516584845;mircea_popescu;heh 1773732;1516585276;BingoBoingo;I feel sufficiently bodily ill to have a strong awareness that if it happens again my life, in LATAM and in general will probably be short. 1773733;1516585384;mircea_popescu;it's a relatively easy place to get by as an aa, they're not really heavy drinkers. just say no and that's that. 1773734;1516585532;BingoBoingo;That has worked so far, until the pretty girl invited me to her place and she met my "no" with a gentle tease. 1773735;1516585961;mircea_popescu;you can still go lol, just you know... coffee. 1773736;1516586312;BingoBoingo;Apologies for the brainmush lemme disambiguate: That has worked so far, until the pretty girl who invited me to her place offered a beer and she met my "no" with a series of gentle teases. Since I was in her home when my dick asked "what's the worst that could happen" my brain wasn't ready to answer with "Look at all these other pretty girls" 1773737;1516586452;BingoBoingo;Probably just need to get better at screening girls 1773738;1516586603;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in thje park, http://78.media.tumblr.com/0088fa380b23340775125404c1ae5a2b/tumblr_oe3yz2YBze1trzasto1_1280.png 1773739;1516586700;BingoBoingo;Brb, making coffee and reading a book of substantial size y entonces me voy a dormir. 1773740;1516586869;mircea_popescu;entonces is then as in, right then. then as in, afterwards is despues or whatever. 1773741;1516587034;BingoBoingo;gracias 1773742;1516587063;BingoBoingo;They use it and "Este" as verbal pauses here 1773743;1516587162;BingoBoingo;The fine points of usage are harder for me to discern when 90% of the time I hear a word it is because Latinos fear not hearing their own voice. 1773744;1516587295;hanbot;ahaha that's dead-on 1773745;1516587699;*;shinohai hears a woman squealing "QUE LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDOOOOOOOOOOOO" in the loudest voice possible. 1773746;1516589602;phf;BingoBoingo> [21:10:34] gracias 1773747;1516589604;phf;err 1773748;1516589612;phf;BingoBoingo: one day at a time 1773749;1516591510;lobbes;!Qsarchive 1773750;1516591510;lobbesbot;lobbes: (sarchive ) -- Search TMSR archives for 'text'; Click here for a list of known domains: http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view_domains.php 1773751;1516591529;lobbes;^^ list of known domains added 1773752;1516591597;lobbes;target=blank added on external archive links (links to archive.is) as well 1773753;1516591661;lobbes;Now, finally, ready to begin baking item #3 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768934 1773754;1516591661;a111;Logged on 2018-01-11 06:25 lobbes: Top three things I need to do next: 1) set up automated updating of the reporting database the thing sits on (currently 'stale' data). 2) set up lobbesbot to similarly search via IRC commands 3) Zip distribution system! 1773755;1516591954;shinohai;neato lobbes ! 1773756;1516592770;lobbes;ty shinohai 1773757;1516593945;mircea_popescu;!!up coingecko 1773758;1516593945;deedbot;coingecko voiced for 30 minutes. 1773759;1516593951;mircea_popescu;whoa lobbes that's pretty fab. 1773760;1516593963;mircea_popescu;!Qsarchive pantsuit 1773761;1516593963;lobbesbot;23 results for "pantsuit", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=pantsuit&sortby= 1773762;1516593991;mircea_popescu;this is fucking rad. 1773763;1516594014;mircea_popescu;!Qsarchive cunt 1773764;1516594014;lobbesbot;31 results for "cunt", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=cunt&sortby= 1773765;1516594076;lobbes;:D 1773766;1516594076;*;mircea_popescu slowclaps. 1773767;1516594794;ben_vulpes;wow a republican search engine no fucking way 1773768;1516594852;ben_vulpes;!Qsarchive fuckgoats 1773769;1516594853;lobbesbot;17 results for "fuckgoats", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=fuckgoats&sortby= 1773770;1516594903;mircea_popescu;does this guy rock or what! 1773771;1516594937;trinque;wd lobbes! 1773772;1516594944;ben_vulpes;eyy lobbes how do i get me blog in there 1773773;1516594958;mircea_popescu;aaand in other http://trilema.com/2016/i-dont-think-you-understand-how-credit-cards-work/ , http://78.media.tumblr.com/3ab87e3147d951bba3bf88b5d0e6cac2/tumblr_npr8ursIac1romx5eo2_400.gif 1773774;1516595100;lobbes;ty all. I'm happy to sap 1773775;1516595109;lobbes;ben_vulpes, should be in there no? 1773776;1516595116;mircea_popescu;it just follows chan neh ? 1773777;1516595122;lobbes;!Qsarchive cascadianhacker 1773778;1516595122;lobbesbot;1323 results for "cascadianhacker", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=cascadianhacker&sortby= 1773779;1516595125;mircea_popescu;!Qsarchive cascadian 1773780;1516595126;lobbesbot;1323 results for "cascadian", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=cascadian&sortby= 1773781;1516595141;lobbes;I think the wotpastes muddle it up a bit 1773782;1516595159;ben_vulpes;!Qsarchive FUCKGOATS 1773783;1516595159;lobbesbot;17 results for "FUCKGOATS", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=FUCKGOATS&sortby= 1773784;1516595173;lobbes;note to self: make a way to -exclude- a term from a search 1773785;1516595207;ben_vulpes;oh so it only searches urls its archived that's right 1773786;1516595218;lobbes;that is correct 1773787;1516595233;ben_vulpes;super nifty 1773788;1516595256;lobbes;anything dropped in this chan (historical walk also done back to ~2012) 1773789;1516595375;lobbes;soon it'll accept bulk requests to archive / download archived items, but for now only way is via chan (#eulora also snarfed, ftr) 1773790;1516595395;mircea_popescu;im not even sure that's a good idea. 1773791;1516595411;mircea_popescu;if not worth reading then... not worth reading. 1773792;1516595426;lobbes;I can see that logic 1773793;1516595446;mod6;ooh lemme check it out 1773794;1516595452;mod6;!Qsarchive trb 1773795;1516595453;lobbesbot;85 results for "trb", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=trb&sortby= 1773796;1516595464;ben_vulpes;lobbes: naively i'd expect http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=fuckgoats&sortby= to have a link to my fuckgoats testing post 1773797;1516595476;ben_vulpes;because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727515 1773798;1516595476;a111;Logged on 2017-10-21 23:27 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing << CH - FUCKGOATS testing 1773799;1516595490;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i think it checks title not full page text 1773800;1516595492;mod6;lobbes: nice work! 1773801;1516595508;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it's in the title! 1773802;1516595512;lobbes;ty mod6 1773803;1516595518;mircea_popescu;!#s "cascadianh" 1773804;1516595519;a111;1803 results for "\"cascadianh\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22cascadianh%22 1773805;1516595532;lobbes;ben_vulpes, yeah, atm it just searches the url only 1773806;1516595537;mod6;thanks for putting that together, very cool 1773807;1516595539;mod6;& useful 1773808;1516595540;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing << indeed 1773809;1516595610;ben_vulpes;bing's in there but noooo love for me lobbes, i see how it is :P 1773810;1516595636;mircea_popescu;lel 1773811;1516595656;lobbes;hm. damn I'ma look into this one 1773812;1516595661;*;ben_vulpes just getting back from an entire weekend spent away from term 1773813;1516595674;ben_vulpes;minor nits aside it's pretty awesome lobbes 1773814;1516595814;ben_vulpes;one day at a time, BingoBoingo 1773815;1516596795;lobbes;minor nits are welcome. Helps me fine tune the ol' process. But glad folx find useful 1773816;1516596862;mircea_popescu;lobbes implement a (paid) full text search, you'll be ahead of archive.is, amazon's webarchive and EVERYONE else. 1773817;1516596869;lobbes;!Qsarchive cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing 1773818;1516596869;lobbesbot;3 results for "cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing&sortby= 1773819;1516596873;lobbes;^ fixed 1773820;1516596925;mircea_popescu;meter the resources as you do it, cpu time/disk io, whatever is your concern. then bill the person, and store the bill, so you can present it in the future ("the previous three bills average X, so you have an idea how much) 1773821;1516596929;lobbes;mircea_popescu, ah good idea on the making it a paid service. mats had suggested a context search to me earlier 1773822;1516596946;lobbes;*content search 1773823;1516596964;mircea_popescu;see how much you actually pay for tyhe resources, charge 2x that for your time, and if you end up ddosed just... buy more hardware. 1773824;1516596968;mircea_popescu;path to happy riches. 1773825;1516597077;*;mircea_popescu dreams of a future of searchable images, because proper svgs. 1773826;1516597092;lobbes;yeah, I'm thinking eventually I will need to take advantage of TBI at some point. But currently very low overhead (home laptop with ssd + cheap VPSen) 1773827;1516597136;lobbes;will see how much bandwidth starts running once the zip delivery is operational 1773828;1516597148;mircea_popescu;cool 1773829;1516597176;ben_vulpes;!!rate lobbes 3 search 1773830;1516597178;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ELfSt/?raw=true 1773831;1516597211;ben_vulpes;!!v 4D399AF0A1C9309A196BFE763EC70AB8DA3A0CEAB215A598219201F6C73CBC81 1773832;1516597212;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated lobbes 3 << search 1773833;1516597576;lobbes;ty Herr Vulpes 1773834;1516597621;mircea_popescu;trinque adding thetarpit.org to teh rssing ? 1773835;1516597688;trinque;I can sure 1773836;1516597707;mircea_popescu;coo 1773837;1516597989;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/064-interests.html << The Tar Pit - Things that interest me; things that don't interest me 1773838;1516597989;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/065-eu-at-the-end.html << The Tar Pit - The European Union at the end: a chronicle 1773839;1516597989;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/066-samurai-jack.html << The Tar Pit - Samurai Jack 1773840;1516597989;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/067-brazil.html << The Tar Pit - Brazil 1773841;1516597989;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/068-the-story-of-the-citadel.html << The Tar Pit - The story of the citadel on the hill, by a thicket 1773842;1516597990;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html << The Tar Pit - On intellectual ownership 1773843;1516597990;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06a-ffa-ch4-puzzle.html << The Tar Pit - A solution to the largest-of-seven FFACalc puzzle 1773844;1516597995;trinque;burp 1773845;1516598057;*;trinque has been going down memory lane today, re-reading trb patches and finally sticking sig on them. 1773846;1516598746;*;trinque taps out for now. history file's coming along; I've got about 7 patches left to reread and write up. 1773847;1516598780;trinque;once done I'll post to blog, and hopefully patch authors can add detail. 1773848;1516598819;hanbot;fun with vdiff & svgs: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/23nK0/?raw=true 1773849;1516598832;*;hanbot regards error with distant incredulity 1773850;1516598886;mod6;huh 1773851;1516598906;mircea_popescu;oh good grief 1773852;1516598972;asciilifeform;Too many open files << gold medal eggog 1773853;1516598982;*;asciilifeform has yet to achieve this marvel 1773854;1516599024;mircea_popescu;i hope open source comes and rescues us from this shitpile. 1773855;1516599027;mircea_popescu;o... wait... 1773856;1516599067;mircea_popescu;welcome, all, to the wonderful world of computers which nobody has ever used before for any purpose whatsoever. 1773857;1516599077;mircea_popescu;it's "could have had, that's just as good" all the way down! 1773858;1516599101;asciilifeform;hanbot: ulimit -n 99999999 1773859;1516599222;trinque;if that doesn't work try 100000000 and so on 1773860;1516599264;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22bdb%22+%22locks%22 1773861;1516599272;asciilifeform;how'd this situation come about, even 1773862;1516599290;asciilifeform;i can see how with , e.g., phuctor key export. but wordpress ? 1773863;1516599368;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773825 << i gotta bite this bait -- how does mircea_popescu picture this item ? 1773864;1516599368;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 04:57 mircea_popescu dreams of a future of searchable images, because proper svgs. 1773865;1516599419;mircea_popescu;"all images with a curve like THIS" 1773866;1516599428;asciilifeform;aa 1773867;1516599438;hanbot;no onboard ulimit, no package found, heh. 1773868;1516599443;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: np-complete 1773869;1516599457;mircea_popescu;pffff! 1773870;1516599461;asciilifeform;hanbot: take the ubuntu, and walk it behind the shed, and shoot it 1773871;1516599465;asciilifeform;it's worthless, it only wastes time 1773872;1516599502;asciilifeform;alternatively, cat 99999999 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max 1773873;1516599507;asciilifeform;err, 1773874;1516599513;trinque;probably she's just not root, and wasn't in path 1773875;1516599514;asciilifeform;alternatively, echo "99999999" > /proc/sys/fs/file-max 1773876;1516599517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform try prlimit ? 1773877;1516599518;trinque;how would it not have ulimit 1773878;1516599531;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trinque you'd be surprised how many of these exist! 1773879;1516599532;asciilifeform;trinque: ubuntu, this wonderful thing, is missing ~all utils of any use 1773880;1516599539;asciilifeform;iirc even sha512sum 1773881;1516599542;trinque;oh hm, it's a shell builtin even 1773882;1516599551;trinque;maybe it's running duplosh 1773883;1516599584;mircea_popescu;iirc it just edits something in /etc/security/limits.conf ? 1773884;1516599694;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773642 << i gotta reveal the terrible troof here : nobody's here into soap bubble penetration testing either... nor tissue paper, nor plastic bags. 1773885;1516599694;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 23:04 douchebag: Does anyone else in this chat into web application pentesting? 1773886;1516599742;trinque;pentesting women otoh 1773887;1516599760;trinque;though iirc Framedragger was lost into that one never to be seen again 1773888;1516599776;asciilifeform;iirc he came up for air but only brief gurgle came out of him 1773889;1516599783;asciilifeform;then swallowed by the current. 1773890;1516599798;asciilifeform;!#seen Framedragger 1773891;1516599798;a111;2017-10-06 yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho 1773892;1516599805;mircea_popescu;moar like clubtesting, but anyway 1773893;1516599824;mod6;<+hanbot> no onboard ulimit, no package found, heh. << it is a huge pain to get a ulimit set on these mclinux boxes. but after seriously, a bunch of trial and error, I was able to get it to work. 1773894;1516599847;mod6;I don't have the incantation in front of me at the moment... but if you would like it, I can dig it up for you tomorrow. 1773895;1516599885;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773676 << lol, experiencepointsism 1773896;1516599885;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 23:26 douchebag: Thanks man, I've been spending a lot of my time focusing on security research and helping others get involved in the InfoSec community. I have a pretty decent resume compared to most people I go to college with because I have a pretty decent amount of experience, and when it comes to InfoSec jobs experience is probably the most important factor for most employers 1773897;1516599907;asciilifeform;any way i read that sentence, it makes for dark thoughts 1773898;1516599907;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> iirc it just edits something in /etc/security/limits.conf ? << off the top of my head, that's only like 50% of it. there is at least one other thing that needs to be set/configured too. 1773899;1516600002;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773685 << if this is about the 'integer retardation' issue, the 1 thing it quite definitively had 0 to do with , is gcc5 : which did not exist in the era of 0.5.3 , nor did it exist in my stator or rotor setups 1773900;1516600002;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 23:56 spyked looked at the patch. admits to not being able to compile an example with gcc 4.9 nor 5; so there's probably more to it, e.g. C++ voodoo. I'm curious of asciilifeform's answer 1773901;1516600026;trinque;I am not putting a negative in the history file 1773902;1516600037;asciilifeform;but aside from that , i do not know the seekrit of why it was an issue 1773903;1516600044;*;trinque will continue to dig 1773904;1516600064;trinque;it's been a great exercise, since the histfile demands rationale. 1773905;1516600075;trinque;beyond "well and then it worked" 1773906;1516600126;asciilifeform;pretty sure it was the end of a lengthy thread 1773907;1516600191;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1083376 << illustration of building without said fix 1773908;1516600191;a111;Logged on 2015-04-02 01:00 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html 1773909;1516600250;asciilifeform;or hm, nm, wrong thread, 1773910;1516600265;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-01#1082420 1773911;1516600265;a111;Logged on 2015-04-01 18:28 ascii_field: result.push_back(Pair("coinbasevalue", (int64_t)pblock->vtx[0].vout[0].nValue)); 1773912;1516600297;asciilifeform;aaaha that's it 1773913;1516606288;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in candlelit dinners, http://78.media.tumblr.com/683576cef5916a6bb35ba3b3f64921e2/tumblr_nww1w8NATM1uo6u6mo1_1280.jpg 1773914;1516606299;hanbot;file-max futzing as graciously put on example above resulted in zero change of error, fwiw. will check out mod6's pill when available (no rush). 1773915;1516611378;mircea_popescu;for the record, that dijkstra piece on "radical" bla bla is so fucking idiotic... 1773916;1516611438;mircea_popescu;"Coping with radical novelty requires an orthogonal method. One must consider one's own past, the experiences collected, and the habits formed in it as an unfortunate accident of history, and one has to approach the radical novelty with a blank mind, consciously refusing to try to link it with what is already familiar, because the familiar is hopelessly inadequate." << this never was, and absolutely never will be the case. mo 1773917;1516611439;mircea_popescu;reover, the pretense to the contrary and the "blank mind" humanist wank is strictly the path to insanity. 1773918;1516624517;shinohai;!!up emmylark 1773919;1516624517;deedbot;emmylark voiced for 30 minutes. 1773920;1516624551;shinohai;Greetings emmylark 1773921;1516627149;diana_coman;wtf Taleb's"foreword to the book by Saifedean Ammous" on medium.com apparently: https://medium.com/@nntaleb/bitcoin-1537e616a074#---0-337 1773922;1516627292;shinohai;Owned by the crowd? 1773923;1516627392;diana_coman;I really can't begin to understand what exactly is that; some gems in there too with organisation making silk-purse out of a sow's ear and "every participant has the option to be that player" and ... 1773924;1516627429;diana_coman;maybe it makes more sense to someone else 1773925;1516627557;shinohai;"hick-ups" <<< Is this supposed to be the bumpkin version of "hiccough" ? 1773926;1516627570;shinohai;I expected more from an academic. 1773927;1516628380;diana_coman;to be fair it sounds like a rushed caught-in-the-hallway-had-to-say-something piece 1773928;1516630074;diana_coman;!!up caaddr 1773929;1516630074;deedbot;caaddr voiced for 30 minutes. 1773930;1516630078;diana_coman;hello caaddr 1773931;1516630085;shinohai;Greeting caaddr 1773932;1516630092;caaddr;hi diana_coman, shinohai 1773933;1516630103;caaddr;I've been working on Chapter 1 of the ffalib guide 1773934;1516630155;diana_coman;what's the problem/question caaddr ? 1773935;1516630159;caaddr;I'm trying to follow the instructions precisely, and that has included not using gcc-5.x or above. I'm just using the standard gnat-4 package in debian which is linked to the gcc-4 package, and I've noticed these are a bit out of date 1773936;1516630180;caaddr;having browsed the logs of #trilema I've found that I'm not the only one who has run into issues: 1773937;1516630183;caaddr;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742619 1773938;1516630183;a111;Logged on 2017-11-23 17:55 whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb 1773939;1516630191;caaddr;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745440 1773940;1516630191;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 02:16 mod6: asciilifeform: my gprbuild threw some errors like "invalid restriction identifier "No_Implicit_Protected_Object_Allocations"" : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKdvZ/?raw=true 1773941;1516630209;diana_coman;aha; tbh you are best off using adacore's tools 1773942;1516630212;caaddr;so I've created a vpatch for both of these issues, which makes the genesis Chapter 1 code work with gnat-4 1773943;1516630219;shinohai;I believe mod6 told ne he got it running on deb, I haven't tried 1773944;1516630222;diana_coman;cool 1773945;1516630236;diana_coman;wait, you created a vpatch for ..ffa? 1773946;1516630287;diana_coman;I suppose asciilifeform will want to have a look at them perhaps ; I'm not sure though I see a point in changing ffa to fit whatever gnat4 wants though 1773947;1516630294;diana_coman;anyways caaddr do you have a blog? 1773948;1516630334;diana_coman;upload the patches there + discussion as to why and what; link to asciilifeform's ch1 ffa and you're done 1773949;1516630456;diana_coman;!!up caaddr 1773950;1516630457;deedbot;caaddr voiced for 30 minutes. 1773951;1516630460;diana_coman;!!key caaddr 1773952;1516630460;deedbot;Not registered. 1773953;1516630463;caaddr;thanks, sorry about that 1773954;1516630472;caaddr;yes, I created a vpatch. I'm happy to add my key to deedbot too 1773955;1516630474;diana_coman;caaddr, register a key please so we know it's you next time 1773956;1516630479;caaddr;certainly 1773957;1516630524;asciilifeform;caaddr: what os are you using ? 1773958;1516630598;caaddr;asciilifeform: Debian 8 1773959;1516630611;caaddr;I've registered my key with deedbot now 1773960;1516630618;diana_coman;!!key caaddr 1773961;1516630619;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/87E7CA4CEB024766F7FFD3733F04CDC412DFE2FF.asc 1773962;1516630663;diana_coman;!!rate caaddr 1 ffa reader 1773963;1516630666;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eGnIZ/?raw=true 1773964;1516630689;diana_coman;!!v 63112D55B65E5DEECA35DEF2255B054FAB8B3CB477A9F53743BA3D672178CC98 1773965;1516630689;deedbot;diana_coman rated caaddr 1 << ffa reader 1773966;1516630702;diana_coman;caaddr, you should be able to voice yourself from now on 1773967;1516630707;diana_coman;!!down caaddr 1773968;1516630718;asciilifeform;caaddr: and what ~exact~ ver of gnat ? 1773969;1516630731;asciilifeform;( there is no such thing as 'gnat-4' ) 1773970;1516630783;asciilifeform;and also i think at this point i will declare gpl-gnat to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small. 1773971;1516630808;asciilifeform;it exists strictly so that people cannot easily build just about any nontrivial ada proggy. 1773972;1516630864;asciilifeform;if anyone has a counter-argument, now is the time. otherwise ch9 will contain a 'don't use gcc-gnat' preface. 1773973;1516630887;diana_coman;from my own experience with adacore and with gnat, I tend to agree with asciilifeform's evaluation there ^^ 1773974;1516630967;diana_coman;!!up caaddr 1773975;1516630968;deedbot;caaddr voiced for 30 minutes. 1773976;1516630975;asciilifeform;this would seem to create the unpleasant situation of having just 1 adatron. but it is not clear to me that there ever were 2. there was only adacore and broken-adacore (aka gcc-gnat) 1773977;1516631033;caaddr;GNATMAKE 4.9.2 is the answer to the now redundant question. I'll use adacore instead. I had avoided this because it contains precompiled binaries, with no independent reproducible build certification 1773978;1516631037;diana_coman;caaddr, say here steps + failure when you tried to !!up yourself 1773979;1516631065;caaddr;I said "!!up" to deedbot in pm, and it replied "You must be registered." 1773980;1516631068;asciilifeform;caaddr: and gcc-ada had reproducible build ?! where? 1773981;1516631083;caaddr;I get the same output with "!!up caaddr" 1773982;1516631102;caaddr;it didn't, but I thought source would be available 1773983;1516631102;asciilifeform;ALL gnats require an existing gnat binary in order to build. 1773984;1516631118;asciilifeform;caaddr: adacore's src is also posted 1773985;1516631144;caaddr;oh, I remember the gnat ouroboros from the logs now 1773986;1516631159;asciilifeform;( it won't build without an existing working copy of their gnat, exactly like the gcc fork's ) 1773987;1516631182;caaddr;Ken Thompson hack ahoy 1773988;1516631214;asciilifeform;caaddr: this is why you disasm and audit the bin before deploying to the rocket 1773989;1516631222;caaddr;it would be nice to bootstrap an entire operating system from machine code to forth to some strange mix of forth and ada, ada, then tinyscheme, and finally a sane common lisp subset 1773990;1516631223;asciilifeform;in adaland this is standard. 1773991;1516631254;asciilifeform;caaddr: this is much harder than it appears 1773992;1516631264;caaddr;surely not. you just need "a steady hand and a magnetized needle" ;) 1773993;1516631270;asciilifeform;if you want to actually do it, rather than simply pretend, that is 1773994;1516631309;asciilifeform;problem is that you always end up with something resembling gcc 1773995;1516631328;asciilifeform;i.e. massive turd , sufficiently complex as to be as opaque as any binturd 1773996;1516631336;caaddr;I wonder how early in such a stack you would add the kind of compile time protections that ada guarantees. compile time protections seem to be the hardest thing to keep a programming language at "fits in head" size 1773997;1516631392;caaddr;I suppose you would prefer hardware-only optimizations in any case, so ideally they would not be part of the software stack at all. compilation for performance as caching only 1773998;1516631398;asciilifeform;correct. 1773999;1516631433;caaddr;compared to compilation as a *software transformation device*, which I consider a different case: that is for automating levers, not running your program off of a cliff faster than before 1774000;1516631492;diana_coman;caaddr, previous similar problem with key+deedbot was due to expired key as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721390 1774001;1516631492;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 18:54 trinque: apeloyee: gpg: BAD04B14A4545828FABCE63C3DB30625393C0BB1: skipped: unusable public key << gpg has this to say about your fp 1774002;1516631510;diana_coman;if it's not that the trouble here too, trinque might help 1774003;1516631550;caaddr;my public key has no expiry date, "pgpdump 87E7CA4CEB024766F7FFD3733F04CDC412DFE2FF.asc | grep exp" 1774004;1516631560;caaddr;so I'll hold out for trinque. thank you 1774005;1516631615;caaddr;for now just remember: cdr twice, then car twice. anybody else is an impostor ;) 1774006;1516631622;asciilifeform;caaddr: re earlier, i'll say this : if a sane os and sane compiler cannot be ~small~ on a given iron, the iron design is ipso facto defective. 1774007;1516631665;caaddr;so you'd need a carry flag, unlike RISC-V, at least? :) 1774008;1516631682;asciilifeform;forget carry flag, even : native bignum. 1774009;1516631696;caaddr;did SCHEME-79 have native bignum? 1774010;1516631702;asciilifeform;ffa should not even be necessary, on sane iron 1774011;1516631717;asciilifeform;scheme79 was a prototype, did not even have an alu! 1774012;1516631725;caaddr;oh... 1774013;1516631744;caaddr;I think I remember from the paper that only two of the actual pressed irons even worked. I wonder what happened to them? 1774014;1516631771;caaddr;probably locked in a drawer somewhere, lest the world learn from them 1774015;1516631772;asciilifeform;prolly hanging on some senile bureucrat's wall 1774016;1516631778;caaddr;:) 1774017;1516631792;asciilifeform;i dunno why you would need the dies, to learn from 1774018;1516631803;asciilifeform;whole thing iirc was published. 1774019;1516631832;caaddr;"WARNING: MAY STILL CONTAIN DANGEROUS LEVELS OF SANITY". yes, just a joke. it would be nice to handle them as an exercise in hardware archaeology 1774020;1516631854;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773848 << i've shared a version of vdiff in logs that fixed that issue, because the issue is of course there. i believe the comment was "not oneliner!!1" 1774021;1516631854;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 05:26 hanbot: fun with vdiff & svgs: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/23nK0/?raw=true 1774022;1516631868;asciilifeform;learning anything from dies is veeery expensive, see the microscopy thread. 1774023;1516631871;caaddr;but AIM-559 has the details 1774024;1516631908;caaddr;I enjoyed the long series of posts where a gentleman reverse engineered the 6502 die photograph, drawing the schematic from the photo 1774025;1516631932;caaddr;that chip was about the same era. it's certainly doable, but a chore unless you have significant passion for the subject 1774026;1516631955;asciilifeform;caaddr: that was the latest, afaik, fully reversed from die ( publicly, that is ) ic 1774027;1516631987;asciilifeform;and we're talking vintage of 1973 or so 1774028;1516632019;caaddr;perhaps one day we'll be able to hang up a poster of the transistors that caused the FDIV bug 1774029;1516632019;phf;scheme-79 is not "whole thing published", which is something that i said in the logs multiple times also. there's AI memoes of variying detali, but the actual toolset, something called daedalus, and the corresponding daedalus files that actually describe the chip, are nowhere to be found. also dies will not be particularly interesting because the whole point of daedalus was semi assisted layout 1774030;1516632039;asciilifeform;phf: you gotta put this in proper essay form sometime 1774031;1516632060;asciilifeform;i.e. what exactly was censored from it 1774032;1516632092;asciilifeform;aah 1774033;1516632105;phf;there was nothing "censored", it's just what was published are abstracts. litereally just reading corresponding AIMs will show you that you can't literally rebuild the cpu from them 1774034;1516632109;asciilifeform;i suspect that daedalus became ns . 1774035;1516632142;phf;daedalus and ns are completely unrelated pieces. NS is an older tool for laying out PALs 1774036;1516632158;asciilifeform;nope, the bolix ns 1774037;1516632218;asciilifeform;what i meant is, betcha the daedalus tool ended up mit'd and 'licensed' out for money etc . and ended up going down with the bolix ship. 1774038;1516632274;phf;oh sure in a sense that daedalus was part of the IP packet 1774039;1516632275;asciilifeform;there's a reason why no sane ic layout, photoprocessing, etc tools exist today, and whole stack is a TB+ of winblowz liquishit for which foundries get charged $mils 1774040;1516632329;asciilifeform;and that reason is mit. and mallery. 1774041;1516632338;caaddr;and then there was Chuck's OKAD... 1774042;1516632344;phf;but note symbolics were still running a CADR internally 1774043;1516632373;asciilifeform;caaddr: afaik not fully published ( in the can build fab immediately sense ) either 1774044;1516632380;caaddr;didn't LMI branch off somewhat and create more innovative hardware? 1774045;1516632382;asciilifeform;phf: aha 1774046;1516632402;asciilifeform;caaddr: afaik lmi never actually fabbed a chip at all 1774047;1516632421;asciilifeform;caaddr: they shipped massive box of discretes . 1774048;1516632434;caaddr;discretes? amusing 1774049;1516632448;asciilifeform;well they sold cadr clone 1774050;1516632451;phf;lmi also stayed closer to CADR for longer. at the very least later versions of S 1774051;1516632472;phf;of SYSTEM has a bunch of #+lmi conditionals long after genera went closed source 1774052;1516632480;caaddr;it's this that I was thinking of: 1774053;1516632480;caaddr;http://fare.tunes.org/tmp/emergent/kmachine.htm 1774054;1516632482;asciilifeform;lmi iirc never was able to build even one unit of their non-cadr machine 1774055;1516632488;caaddr;"Unlike other Lisp Machines, the K-machine is not descended from Tom Knight's original CONS architecture; the K-machine is an original design." 1774056;1516632526;caaddr;"After a period of time, when no investors were found, the material assets of Gigamos, including the K-machine board sets, specifications, schematics, and printed circuit artwork were sold for salvage to Eli Hefron and Sons in Cambridge, MA. I purchased these materials from Eli Hefron and Sons and they are currently in my possession." 1774057;1516632531;caaddr;so Joe Marshall has what's left 1774058;1516632543;asciilifeform;caaddr: some yrs ago, i convinced marshall to publish all he had 1774059;1516632559;asciilifeform;it should still be floating around somewhere, coupla GB 1774060;1516632574;asciilifeform;it does not add up to a working machine. 1774061;1516632589;caaddr;would like to find it, did not know about it 1774062;1516632631;asciilifeform;caaddr: if it's gone from the net, i'll stand up a mirror ( as soon as i have where to; currently between isps ) 1774063;1516632640;caaddr;thanks! 1774064;1516632654;phf;asciilifeform: hey you mind pasting current version of vdiff? 1774065;1516632655;caaddr;I just found https://sites.google.com/site/evalapply/ 1774066;1516632694;asciilifeform;the problem with attempting to resurrect 1980s 'big iron' designs, however, is the unavailability of various formerly common ( and quite painful to emulate items ), e.g., 1774067;1516632702;asciilifeform;!#s weitek 1774068;1516632702;a111;4 results for "weitek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=weitek 1774069;1516632706;caaddr;presumably it hasn't changed from this, phf? http://deedbot.org/deed-372115-1.txt 1774070;1516632723;phf;ty 1774071;1516632730;asciilifeform;comfirmed , mine is same , phf 1774072;1516632736;asciilifeform;*confirmed 1774073;1516632794;asciilifeform;!!up caaddr 1774074;1516632794;deedbot;caaddr voiced for 30 minutes. 1774075;1516632811;caaddr;thanks. hope trinque can fix that. I did try "!!up" again myself 1774076;1516632827;caaddr;fun story: I tried to use vdiff with the busybox version of awk. this did not end with smiles and sunshine and laughter 1774077;1516632877;asciilifeform;typical unixism 1774078;1516632901;asciilifeform;the only actual standard in whole fucking machine is the mains cord. 1774079;1516632918;asciilifeform;erything else thinks it has the right to do whatever . 1774080;1516632948;caaddr;even the power *switches* 1774081;1516632963;asciilifeform;aha. 1774082;1516633006;phf;caaddr: my personal issue with resurrecting all these lisp machine architectures is that Genera really is the only interesting platform to build upon, and there's not enough source/details available ~at all~ to actually rebuild a genera system from first principles. 1774083;1516633025;caaddr;the full source is available, is it not? 1774084;1516633030;asciilifeform;nope 1774085;1516633030;phf;no. 1774086;1516633046;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1774087;1516633053;caaddr;I thought I torrented a full system once upon a time 1774088;1516633053;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10801.73, vol: 13707.95989220 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10718.0, vol: 56369.14332746 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10828.1, vol: 4766.66950677 | Volume-weighted last average: 10740.347588 1774089;1516633070;asciilifeform;caaddr: torrent was an install disk. with partial source. 1774090;1516633077;phf;all these things are reddit available "oh i saw link and played with it". try ~actually~ ~rebuilding~ a genera system from source code 1774091;1516633096;caaddr;oh, that was OpenGenera too, the RISCised version 1774092;1516633149;asciilifeform;caaddr: it was ordinary genera, but came with a dec alpha emulator for the machine 1774093;1516633151;phf;shit, try cold booting a genera system, rebuilding the FEP, etc. you'll discover that those are non-trivial tasks requiring expert knowledge. that knowledge can be gained from what we have though, but it'll take you weeks or months to get there 1774094;1516633191;caaddr;sure, it was millions of lines of code wasn't it? 1774095;1516633199;asciilifeform;worse is that we have nfi what the actual work of the fep ( other than in very approximate terms ) was 1774096;1516633203;caaddr;and who-knows-how-many lisp engineer man hours 1774097;1516633204;phf;and like cmucl puts it "rebuilding cmucl is not an exact science" 1774098;1516633268;caaddr;anyway, see how sad the state of affairs is? we can't even reproduce the technology of the early 1980s, whereas we ought to have had nearly three decades now of advancement in this area 1774099;1516633299;asciilifeform;the bolix arch itself, was never publicly documented. even something like the instruction set, is not fully known publicly 1774100;1516633316;asciilifeform;or what existed on the bus, and where, also unknown 1774101;1516633328;caaddr;instead we have... what do we have? we have the blockchain but we're still using dns. we have common lisp but we're still using scheme, or, worse, clojure. we have ada but we're using rust. "we" being "we the people", as in the redditoid masses 1774102;1516633398;asciilifeform;hey and 'we have plumbing' but 'we' still shit between two bricks on the ground. in rural redit^H^H^Hindia that is 1774103;1516633415;asciilifeform;i dun give much of a fuck what 'reddit we' do or do not. 1774104;1516633479;caaddr;sure, but I'm just lamenting the negative differential of the progress curve. what are the big discoveries since 1990? 1774105;1516633487;caaddr;luby soliton, what else? 1774106;1516633501;caaddr;blockchain, naturally 1774107;1516633518;phf;bolockchain 1774108;1516633525;asciilifeform;^ 1774109;1516633547;asciilifeform;there's been no significant discoveries, in 80s or 90s. 1774110;1516633569;asciilifeform;( transistor massage is not 'discovery' ) 1774111;1516633577;caaddr;wasn't the treap invented in the 1980s? 1774112;1516633594;caaddr;and a few other lisp-aware structures 1774113;1516633604;asciilifeform;massage. 1774114;1516633638;caaddr;so you're saying it's even worse than I thought? ;) 1774115;1516633645;asciilifeform;likely. 1774116;1516633711;asciilifeform;the microcomputer was a massive step back, not merely technically ( that'd be fixable ) but sociopolitically. 1774117;1516633720;asciilifeform;!!up caaddr 1774118;1516633720;deedbot;caaddr voiced for 30 minutes. 1774119;1516633769;asciilifeform;it led to microshit, konsoomerization, 'eternal september', all of these 'joys' that we still live in. 1774120;1516633930;*;asciilifeform bbl 1774121;1516634000;mod6;<+caaddr> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745440 << fwiw, in the end the version that worked for me, requiring no changes to alf's code was Adacore 2016. 1774122;1516634000;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 02:16 mod6: asciilifeform: my gprbuild threw some errors like "invalid restriction identifier "No_Implicit_Protected_Object_Allocations"" : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKdvZ/?raw=true 1774123;1516634175;caaddr;thanks mod6. I'm installing Adacore now 1774124;1516634309;mod6;yup, np 1774125;1516634615;deedbot;http://107.170.141.103/2018/vdiff-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes 1774126;1516634649;phf;oh huh 1774127;1516634656;phf;^ hanbot 1774128;1516635517;caaddr;success building Ch1 with Adacore 2016 1774129;1516636463;mod6;hanbot: here's what I have currently running on an Ubuntu 14.04 box. I believe this to be all that is required, you can change the values as required, but I think one catch that I found is that root's ulimit needed to be set just a bit higher than the non-root user. 1774130;1516636490;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/O7tGi/?raw=true 1774131;1516636544;mod6;so in that case the hard nofile limit for root gets set to 2000000, and the soft to 1500000 and hanbot's get set to 1000000 each hard/soft. And then that one line is required in common-session. 1774132;1516636593;mod6;it was a royal pita to get it to work... hopefully what I've posted here will work for you, others. 1774133;1516636889;mod6;!Qsarchive p.bvulpes.com 1774134;1516636889;lobbesbot;653 results for "p.bvulpes.com", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=p.bvulpes.com&sortby= 1774135;1516636965;mod6;it's not in there yet, but this is so awesome. 1774136;1516636985;mod6;does it snarf like once per day lobbes? 1774137;1516637069;ave1;re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773970, it seems that gcc simply lags behind and a releases version will never be updated / fixed to newer adacore releases. AdaCore 2014 also cannot build FFA from the box 1774138;1516637069;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:19 asciilifeform: and also i think at this point i will declare gpl-gnat to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small. 1774139;1516637160;ave1;nobody outside of adacore seems to work on gnat GCC, so yes single version... 1774140;1516637330;asciilifeform;ave1: it still is quite unclear to me, why 'gcc-gnat' exists. 1774141;1516637551;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774125 << phf neato. mod6 : prolly this oughta go instead of the old one, in trb www. 1774142;1516637551;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 15:23 deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2018/vdiff-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes 1774143;1516637858;mod6;asciilifeform: noted. i'll update it once i get a chance to test whatever this is ^ 1774144;1516637888;asciilifeform;mod6: it's the pill for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773848 . 1774145;1516637888;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 05:26 hanbot: fun with vdiff & svgs: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/23nK0/?raw=true 1774146;1516637936;mod6;yeah, i know. :] just want to test it first. 1774147;1516638209;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774075 << fix what 1774148;1516638209;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:53 caaddr: thanks. hope trinque can fix that. I did try "!!up" again myself 1774149;1516638233;asciilifeform;trinque: any idea why caaddr wasn't able to !!up himself, despite having been rated ? 1774150;1516638261;trinque;maybe he can use his words and say what he tried 1774151;1516638269;asciilifeform;!!up caaddr 1774152;1516638270;deedbot;caaddr voiced for 30 minutes. 1774153;1516638274;asciilifeform;hey caaddr ! 1774154;1516638315;trinque;how many times have noobs said deedbot didn't work, and how many times have they been right? 1774155;1516638334;asciilifeform;there doesn't appear to be anything peculiar about his key. 1774156;1516638353;asciilifeform;( no expir date, or the like ) 1774157;1516638368;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cZFhM/?raw=true << pgpdump -i , ftr 1774158;1516638400;asciilifeform;!!gettrust caaddr 1774159;1516638400;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1774160;1516638404;asciilifeform;waiwat 1774161;1516638435;asciilifeform;how does this square with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773965 1774162;1516638435;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:18 deedbot: diana_coman rated caaddr 1 << ffa reader 1774163;1516638443;trinque;dude. 1774164;1516638451;asciilifeform;what am i missing, trinque ? 1774165;1516638484;asciilifeform;!!reputation caaddr 1774166;1516638485;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iIiu2/?raw=true 1774167;1516638527;asciilifeform;oh hm 1774168;1516638560;trinque;you have not rated diana_coman ! 1774169;1516638567;asciilifeform;!!rate diana_coman 3 industrial FG user; adatronicist; ffa reader 1774170;1516638569;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/c4XZ4/?raw=true 1774171;1516638598;asciilifeform;!!v A75C544B3C282C8AD6CAFED86640A890C3CABE73B94773FC518F0B39F589FA47 1774172;1516638598;deedbot;asciilifeform rated diana_coman 3 << industrial FG user; adatronicist; ffa reader 1774173;1516638623;asciilifeform;trinque: loox like that was it, lol. 1774174;1516638646;asciilifeform;( still doesn't explain why he couldn't voice. but possibly his own mistake, somewhere.. ) 1774175;1516638719;trinque;ftr I will never "fix that". noob either says exactly what he did and helps me reproduce it, or gets ignored. I'm not comcast customer support. 1774176;1516638798;asciilifeform;fair'nuff 1774177;1516638808;*;asciilifeform doesn't 'fix that's either 1774178;1516639141;asciilifeform;!~later tell ave1 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774137 << re the 2014 : any particular reason aside from the contents of restrict.adc and the gpr's flags ? 1774179;1516639141;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 16:04 ave1: re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773970, it seems that gcc simply lags behind and a releases version will never be updated / fixed to newer adacore releases. AdaCore 2014 also cannot build FFA from the box 1774180;1516639141;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1774181;1516639201;asciilifeform;gnat has a deliberately brittle behaviour re the restriction pragmas -- if you use one it doesn't know about, it barfs. ( and i'm not even convinced that this is wrong. half of the appeal of ada is that it takes 'postel's law', rips off its head, and fucks the stump ) 1774182;1516639320;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482737 << see also ) 1774183;1516639320;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 14:25 asciilifeform: did we ever do a 'postel's law not only considered harmful but a disaster of epic proportions, quite comparable to leaded petrol' thread ? 1774184;1516639367;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-11#1366621 << in particular. and elsewhere. ) 1774185;1516639367;a111;Logged on 2016-01-11 17:02 ascii_butugychag: the few precious things that ACTUALLY WORK, consistently, every time - your cpu's adder, the bus, etc. SHIT on postel. 1774186;1516639390;ave1;Yes on restrict.adc plus it's the inline pragma that did not work for earlier FFA (adacore 2014). 1774187;1516639545;asciilifeform;makes sense. 1774188;1516639568;asciilifeform;and yes i'ma keep having'em, and no i'm not ever going to sign and distribute a mutilated and restriction-weakened version just for old gnats. 1774189;1516639590;asciilifeform;( for ~newer~ gnats, MAYBE, if somebody ever comes up with any reason to ) 1774190;1516639653;ave1;yes, I would not support older or gcc gnats, a user can mutilate on his own 1774191;1516639718;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774136 << Different pieces of proccess run at different intervals (longest interval being 1 hour). I'd estimate an average of ~2 hours for link to appear in searchable db after dropping in chan. 1774192;1516639718;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 16:03 mod6: does it snarf like once per day lobbes? 1774193;1516639838;ave1;also, the number of changed lines between release is very large (way too large for maintenance). It probably does not get better in later releases, just different. 1774194;1516639863;asciilifeform;ave1: this in re gnat ? 1774195;1516639871;ave1;adacore gnat yes 1774196;1516639889;asciilifeform;ave1: we're doomed to eventually fork it and tune out the heathens forever. 1774197;1516639908;asciilifeform;prolly right after ffa series is done. 1774198;1516639918;asciilifeform;the trb treatment. 1774199;1516639923;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773921 << the entire taleb & friends circle, reminds me inescapably of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772872 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772873 . 1774200;1516639923;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 13:19 diana_coman: wtf Taleb's"foreword to the book by Saifedean Ammous" on medium.com apparently: https://medium.com/@nntaleb/bitcoin-1537e616a074#---0-337 1774201;1516639923;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 01:57 mircea_popescu very much will refuse to consider random fucktards who spent 2012 going "oh, who pays for mpex seats" in the hope that "hey, i'll weasel my way back in through peripheral commentary anyway" 1774202;1516639923;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 01:57 mircea_popescu: it's little more than a restatement of ye olde, dearest dream of all nigger, "we'll get in later anyway:" 1774203;1516639946;trinque;caaddr: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t3aUb/?raw=true << deedbot was only given a signing key, it appears, not an encrypting key. 1774204;1516639952;trinque;so, fix that 1774205;1516639968;asciilifeform;omfg 1774206;1516639971;asciilifeform;it's a fucking rsa modulus 1774207;1516639987;trinque;I am not dancing around gpg's autism 1774208;1516639990;asciilifeform;but yes gpg is retarded and no there isn't an easy workaround afaik other than to feed it what it wants 1774209;1516639990;asciilifeform;right 1774210;1516640039;trinque;I will be willing to import a key with the same parameters, but marked as E 1774211;1516640085;asciilifeform;d00d prolly went to bed 1774212;1516640097;trinque;nbd, pm me caaddr 1774213;1516641490;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S28aJ/?raw=true 1774214;1516641490;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1774215;1516642585;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773923 << well, i suspect they're countrymen. weren't they both from lebanon or somesuch ? 1774216;1516642585;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 13:23 diana_coman: I really can't begin to understand what exactly is that; some gems in there too with organisation making silk-purse out of a sow's ear and "every participant has the option to be that player" and ... 1774217;1516642592;*;mircea_popescu waves at BingoBoingo 1774218;1516642694;caaddr;thanks trinque 1774219;1516642806;trinque;yw 1774220;1516642851;*;BingoBoingo waves at mircea_popescu 1774221;1516642875;BingoBoingo;Meet for contract signing in ~80 minutes 1774222;1516642925;BingoBoingo;And passed the 24 hour mark so at tonight's meeting I can report the last 24 went bien 1774223;1516643053;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773933 << you know alf, it occurs to me ffa actually attracted a lot more intelligent commentary than phuctor's results. fucking_unexpected.gif. 1774224;1516643053;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:08 caaddr: I've been working on Chapter 1 of the ffalib guide 1774225;1516643073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yea, i have nfi why 1774226;1516643080;mircea_popescu;i have a theory, and it goes like this : 1774227;1516643089;asciilifeform;possibly because did not trigger the boeck immune cells 1774228;1516643093;asciilifeform;( too hermetic ) 1774229;1516643119;mircea_popescu;going up to a woman and asking her if she'd like to be put in chains and whipped is going to produce significantly better results than going up to a woman and proposing you take her out for a yacht cruise. 1774230;1516643134;mircea_popescu;people WANT to be asked for parts of their own fucking body cut off with a half bent spork. 1774231;1516643150;mircea_popescu;in fact, people want nothing more. 1774232;1516643189;asciilifeform;how did herr schicklegruber put it, 'england gave the english comfort and safety, and they barfed; i asked germany to give me blood, tears, death, and it gave gladly' or how it went 1774233;1516643197;mircea_popescu;the cruise... "it's nice, i guess", but it doesn't fucking hurt and the stump doesn't bleed afterwards, why even bother. 1774234;1516643206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly so. 1774235;1516643234;caaddr;what if there had been a multipart guide to building your own phuctor from scratch, *without* revealing the end purpose of the software until the end? would that have attracted more or less commentary? 1774236;1516643235;mircea_popescu;the correlate of postmodern confusion is that i'd so much rather gouge out an eye than watch another benjamin-shithead movie. 1774237;1516643243;asciilifeform;speaking of which, asciilifeform just uncrated a 'omnibook 800' , prolly the spiffiest dos portable ever made 1774238;1516643254;mircea_popescu;caaddr there's this occasional scam on the internet, most recently "urbit". 1774239;1516643259;BingoBoingo; what if there had been a multipart guide to building your own phuctor from scratch, *without* revealing the end purpose of the software until the end? would that have attracted more or less commentary? << No one wants to read more random python 1774240;1516643261;mircea_popescu;i don't expect anyone gives a shiot abput the gimmick. 1774241;1516643269;asciilifeform;( the only lappy that had an ACTUAL MOUSE inside it. pops out, no shit, from the side ) 1774242;1516643292;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dun do so much good without the iron 1774243;1516643417;caaddr;I didn't know there was any python involved in phuctor. I see that http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#comment-114249 mentions migration from python to GMP 1774244;1516643433;asciilifeform;caaddr: the www front end was in python 1774245;1516643438;mircea_popescu;caaddr iirc the webserver was pythonm 1774246;1516643447;mircea_popescu;ie the bridge from math to peoples. 1774247;1516643448;caaddr;what was its ultimate fate? 1774248;1516643452;asciilifeform;caaddr: the number-crunching part was separate program, in c 1774249;1516643477;caaddr;can it be resurrected phoenix-like from the disk whereon it resides? 1774250;1516643478;mircea_popescu;caaddr empire ~stole the box, started quest for republican isp. 1774251;1516643480;asciilifeform;caaddr: it's on a 1u machine on my desk, as we speak. which in turn is waiting for a host berth. 1774252;1516643546;mircea_popescu;!!key caaddr 1774253;1516643548;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/87E7CA4CEB024766F7FFD3733F04CDC412DFE2FF.asc 1774254;1516643548;asciilifeform;caaddr: phuctor actually suffered from 'chronic case' of empire-steals-box 1774255;1516643557;caaddr;asciilifeform, remember you said something a while ago about there being a lack of basic tools for interrogating information contained within the blockchain? 1774256;1516643566;asciilifeform;caaddr: this remains true 1774257;1516643569;asciilifeform;afaik. 1774258;1516643572;mircea_popescu;no there isn't, ben_vulpes fixed it! 1774259;1516643574;asciilifeform;closest thing is ben_vulpes's item 1774260;1516643610;caaddr;which revealed a general "caveman with microscope" level attitude towards that technology. it occurs to me that the fact nothing like phuctor existed before shows the same caveman approach to all of cryptography, not just blockchains 1774261;1516643635;mircea_popescu;caaddr this is amply discussed, generally under the "not as much as a fucking working cipher omfg" 1774262;1516643671;mircea_popescu;whole population of handwaving fly eyes. which is why "open sores". 1774263;1516643738;mircea_popescu;one day eric raymond came to mp and said "given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow" ; mp extended him the can of beluga roe he was dipping into : "here you go, a whole <<>>". eric raymond never understood what just happened. 1774264;1516643824;caaddr;something from the same book: gpg2 does not allow export of the two RSA primes, p and q, from a password protected key. it does not think that you *own your own primes*. the primes upon which your reputation rests 1774265;1516643862;mircea_popescu;im certain that's not it. there's two causes of the by now well identified and documented pantsuit idiocy. 1774266;1516643876;caaddr;as far as I can tell, you can either rewrite their shitware from scratch and surgically remove the primes yourself, or you can import it into the less damaged gpg1 to achieve much the same in a less irritating way 1774267;1516643889;mircea_popescu;one is, of course, the attempted building of a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979 1774268;1516643889;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 02:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch. 1774269;1516643911;mircea_popescu;the OTHER however, plain idiocy as opposed to the malevolent sort, is perhaps best rendered as "missing formats". 1774270;1516643926;mircea_popescu;gpg doesn't "allow" the exporting of your own damned primes because IT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO NOTATE THEM. 1774271;1516643940;mircea_popescu;this may seem weird considering we've had numbers for a long time. but i am pretty certain that's what the problem is. 1774272;1516643952;mircea_popescu;they literally could not conceive HOW to give you those. 1774273;1516644013;caaddr;indeed. this inversion of "fundamental principles" with "implementation details best left hidden from the 'casual' user" is all of a pattern 1774274;1516644067;caaddr;primes, who could need those? what the user really needs are a hundred poorly named command line flags to manipulate a keychain state that they normally control using easily spoofed truncated fingerprints 1774275;1516644116;caaddr;because that's what they saw in a LEET PGP guide that somebody wrote in 2003. it's gotta be safe, it's a guide! on the web! copy and paste, try not to think too hard about what's formatting what 1774276;1516644197;mircea_popescu;which explains why gpg 1 has but gpg2 has not : by the time gpg2 came out, there was an absolute lower bound firmly in place, and well... TOO BIG. "people could never handle this!" 1774277;1516644241;caaddr;it would be entertaining/devastating to survey how many users of PGP actually use the extra metadata besides the primes and exponent in the first place 1774278;1516644244;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773970 << so you will ~actually~ not build on his patch, forcing him to maintain an alt tree if at all ? 1774279;1516644244;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:19 asciilifeform: and also i think at this point i will declare gpl-gnat to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small. 1774280;1516644263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i question the wisdom of keeping the gcc-ada bullshit on life support. 1774281;1516644266;mircea_popescu;caaddr what's your idea of use here ? 1774282;1516644284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but life served you lemons. you gotta make what is a very unpleasant cut as a political decision. 1774283;1516644310;caaddr;I don't know if anybody is actually using PGP, now you mention it. outside of the serene republic 1774284;1516644313;asciilifeform;i will NOT be lowest-common-denominator-ing between all of the various gnu liquishit and the one actually-working gnat. 1774285;1516644326;asciilifeform;nor maintaining million crippled forklets. 1774286;1516644329;caaddr;I was able to migrate to Adacore 2016 okay, for what it's worth 1774287;1516644337;trinque;caaddr: to date the only use I've seen is people put an expiration date on a key, then whine to me about swapping it out 1774288;1516644365;caaddr;and my vpatch was trivial work, I just wanted to report it here to avoid other ffa pioneers having to duplicate trivialities 1774289;1516644369;asciilifeform;there will be a tmsr gnat; and will be based on a cleaned-up adacore gnat. 1774290;1516644381;mircea_popescu;do you build ON his thing, and then run into http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773628 ? or do you NOT build on his thing, cutting out a younfg and promising fellow into another polarbeard ? 1774291;1516644381;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 22:34 phf: mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what "properly handle" is, given the many conversations on the subj. there's no reason why it couldn't if there was some direction as far as proper. i'm personally leaning towards the idea that binary blobs shouldn't be in vpatch (as per latest thread on subj), but it's a non-pragmatic take 1774292;1516644383;mircea_popescu;it's a bitch. 1774293;1516644385;caaddr;trinque: so the only use we have is actually a *negative* use 1774294;1516644428;mircea_popescu;people put their email in there all the time ; which got zimmerman banned in my book, because i wrote to the email and he responded that he "long ago lost the key". 1774295;1516644433;mircea_popescu;which... hurr. 1774296;1516644446;caaddr;expiration dates, like some antiparticle of usability 1774297;1516644459;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me how i can 'build on his thing' without losing important functionality. 1774298;1516644469;mircea_popescu;who is this guy anyway ? do we get to that part in the log ? 1774299;1516644504;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loox like he appeared today, introduced as ffa reader. 1774300;1516644505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to me either. i'm mostly putting the matter into over-enunciated discussion to get the thinkjuices flowing on the topic, as it's gonna be the main bitch for years to come. 1774301;1516644510;asciilifeform;right. 1774302;1516644514;mircea_popescu;caaddr what do you do for a living ? 1774303;1516644546;caaddr;arbitrage, like in all decaying societies 1774304;1516644576;mircea_popescu;you're sitting there and telling me you're a suit with a working comprehension of the underlying technology ? what the fuck is this, the future ? 1774305;1516644621;caaddr;the hovercars will be programmed in ada 1774306;1516644638;mircea_popescu;arbitrage, what ? m&a ? 1774307;1516644773;mircea_popescu;(for the noobs : arbitrage as a financial "fashionable" item, the sorta thing tom cruise might be doing to explain why he has all that money and time to pursue "slavegirls" came to light during the 70s mergers and acquisitions craze (aka, m&a), where the success/failure of an attempt to takeover induces significant yet economically meaningless price movements. the whys and wherefores of both the behaviour and its effects are 1774308;1516644774;mircea_popescu;also lulzy, but a topic for another time.) 1774309;1516644774;caaddr;no m&a, nothing deep 1774310;1516644812;mircea_popescu;so are you basically an engineer flattering himself on the grounds of "hey, online brokerages let anyone open an account these days!" then ? 1774311;1516644831;caaddr;very much like that, yes 1774312;1516644837;mircea_popescu;ic. 1774313;1516644884;caaddr;let's see about the value of my vpatches 1774314;1516644893;mircea_popescu;engineer of doing what ? 1774315;1516644957;BingoBoingo;Sausage? Does alf have a meat engineer friend? 1774316;1516645009;caaddr;various computing sector tasks. like all modern men, I can skin a rabbit, smelt my own copper, build my own hut. computational equivalents, of course. strangely these turn out to be valuable traits, though easily gotten 1774317;1516645047;mircea_popescu;why all the coyness anyway. dja ever read the anonimity discussion, as it happens ? 1774318;1516645059;caaddr;no? pointer? 1774319;1516645076;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ 1774320;1516645098;mircea_popescu;item's been looking for someone to pick up the "no, really mp, anonimity is actually a net positive" torch for a long time now. be my guest. 1774321;1516645115;caaddr;that'll have to be pushed to the stack, time's running low for the evening 1774322;1516645122;mircea_popescu;there's no rush. 1774323;1516645208;caaddr;in any case, I hope to contribute what little I can. thinking here seems to align with mine 1774324;1516645218;asciilifeform;ftr potentially interesting, to n00bz, ffa thread, in http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2018-1-22#289427 today. 1774325;1516645235;mircea_popescu;o hey! castles cacthin' steam are they ? win. 1774326;1516645247;asciilifeform;mod6's castle had good steam for ~year nao 1774327;1516645256;mircea_popescu;yee. pioneer mod6 1774328;1516645318;mircea_popescu;caaddr dun worry about it, i just ask cuz im curious not cuz i'm setting up the table to eat you. 1774329;1516645391;*;mircea_popescu was once left with fambly's 4 yo daughther while they ran around setting the table etc for later dinner, proceeded to convincingly tell the little girl the whole preparation's really to EAT HER. ran off screaming/was skittish the whole rest of the day. 1774330;1516645418;asciilifeform;lol 1774331;1516645432;mircea_popescu;i believe it is very important to inform the kids what the adults are up to, you know ? 1774332;1516645438;asciilifeform;aaha! 1774333;1516645484;asciilifeform;lol tor 1774334;1516645491;mircea_popescu;it's a security thing. 1774335;1516645501;asciilifeform;lollerity 1774336;1516645519;mircea_popescu;dja know what "received english" is, alf ? 1774337;1516645526;caaddr;I'd tell somebody that too if I wanted to eat them 1774338;1516645529;asciilifeform;bbc? 1774339;1516645530;caaddr;false sense of security 1774340;1516645561;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but ~the concept~. "none of this makes any sense but it happened to schelling point yearsd ago back when this decaying empire was slightly better so what can we do". 1774341;1516645578;mircea_popescu;~same thing as "received holy book", ie why the eastern version yielded "orthodoxy". 1774342;1516645579;asciilifeform;right. aka 'standard' 1774343;1516645589;mircea_popescu;"de facto standard". 1774344;1516645625;asciilifeform;this ties in interestingly with the #mod6 thread also 1774345;1516645646;asciilifeform;( concerned a particularly insidious bit of schoolbook braindamage , re how bits in registers are drawn on paper ) 1774346;1516645735;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773976 << it's not automatically clear this situation is unpleasant. 1774347;1516645735;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:22 asciilifeform: this would seem to create the unpleasant situation of having just 1 adatron. but it is not clear to me that there ever were 2. there was only adacore and broken-adacore (aka gcc-gnat) 1774348;1516645846;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773977 << this incidentally is a very cogent objection. 1774349;1516645846;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:23 caaddr: GNATMAKE 4.9.2 is the answer to the now redundant question. I'll use adacore instead. I had avoided this because it contains precompiled binaries, with no independent reproducible build certification 1774350;1516645880;mircea_popescu;iirc it was at least on the surface the impetuus/justification for the fruitless excursion in desert that was gnu attempt. 1774351;1516645956;mircea_popescu;(which -- how come nobody goes "hey, rms wasted through failing to save so and so engineer years in that whole fiasco". there's this very iritatingly wikipedian attitude of universalist nonsense, "we decided on x all avoidable sacrifice is going to be piously frauded into necessary now". and i dun like it.) 1774352;1516646098;mircea_popescu;(holy shit these illiterate schmucks, so they spell it impetuous as the adjective but "impetus" as the noun. what the everloving fuck is this and where did my diaresis go!) 1774353;1516646237;BingoBoingo;In other sad news, Slayer announced their farewell tour. Another metal band falls to the Raggaeton onslaught. 1774354;1516646252;mircea_popescu;weren't them doods old ? 1774355;1516646295;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773988 << aaaaahahaha, yeah, i totally wanna see this for a gnat. 1774356;1516646295;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:26 asciilifeform: caaddr: this is why you disasm and audit the bin before deploying to the rocket 1774357;1516646349;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for whole gnat, is prolly an unliftable load, at least until it is sawed into small pieces and rewritten in whatever we end up with as 'machine scheme' . i was speaking of individual built bin, e.g. an ffatron. 1774358;1516646361;asciilifeform;something reasonably lightweight ( 100kB say ) 1774359;1516646364;mircea_popescu;a yes. if well curated that's doable. 1774360;1516646382;mircea_popescu;but the "required to compile binturd"... 1774361;1516646395;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed old. 1774362;1516646417;asciilifeform;it is -- if you were to subtract the rtl ( see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 misery ) doable even now. 1774363;1516646417;a111;Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable. 1774364;1516646445;asciilifeform;( again in re individual built item, e.g. ffa, rather than whole gnat ) 1774365;1516646463;mircea_popescu;myeah 1774366;1516646467;asciilifeform;this has been the historic only pill for 'i dun trust the compiler' . audit the bin. 1774367;1516646469;asciilifeform;each. one. 1774368;1516646488;asciilifeform;( traditionally compiler was distrusted not even because thompson, but because buggy. ) 1774369;1516646524;asciilifeform;if compiler bug costs exploded rocket and 100 megabux -- people do in fact begin to think about audits. 1774370;1516646532;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773999 << it's not clear that this separate-and-oh-so-different-this-time attempt to implement dwim has any more merit than any of the previous ones. for as long as i can't say "paperclip, write the novel i feel inside of me", you can't say "software transformation compiler". 1774371;1516646532;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:30 caaddr: compared to compilation as a *software transformation device*, which I consider a different case: that is for automating levers, not running your program off of a cliff faster than before 1774372;1516646715;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774008 << this goes right into stream processor as opposed to cpu and all that. 1774373;1516646715;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:34 asciilifeform: forget carry flag, even : native bignum. 1774374;1516646735;asciilifeform;aaha. 1774375;1516646748;mircea_popescu;but yes, "ffa mostly exists to show you that no, you actually DO NOT have a leg there". 1774376;1516646767;mircea_popescu;for the country of the lame that somehow convinced themselves "it's man's nature to hop -- if god wanted man to walk he'd have given him wings" 1774377;1516646784;mircea_popescu;"then we could have cut one off at birth and walked on one leg and one wing like it were the future!" 1774378;1516646831;asciilifeform;dataflow fabric can express e.g. carry-save-adders as well as anything else. 1774379;1516646840;asciilifeform;no particular reason to hardwarize them explicitly. 1774380;1516646864;mircea_popescu;there's one thing it can't express too well (well here means -- in such a way as to guaranteedly and inescapably inconvenience EVERYONE) and that is, a certain notion of finality. 1774381;1516646875;asciilifeform;the lack of an fpga where i could go straight to demonstrating this experimentally, is a pretty substantial headache for asciilifeform 1774382;1516646879;mircea_popescu;middle management likes "byte" for the same reason it likes excel. 1774383;1516646889;asciilifeform;finality is just a cell with no outflow, lol 1774384;1516646898;asciilifeform;( or connected to printer... ) 1774385;1516646904;mircea_popescu;it's a subtle point this, i dun have useful expression yet. in time. 1774386;1516646910;asciilifeform;no i think i grasp. 1774387;1516646913;mircea_popescu;im sure you do. 1774388;1516646918;mircea_popescu;still not very well expressed. 1774389;1516646938;asciilifeform;and i'm convinced that it's a pseudoproblem. but we'll come back to this when mircea_popescu makes a compact statement of it. 1774390;1516646964;mircea_popescu;oh, im convinced it's a natural problem. like you know, 2yo taking a bath in the sink, holding on to your thumb with all its might. 1774391;1516646977;asciilifeform;in that sense , yea 1774392;1516646979;mircea_popescu;what are you going to do, say to it "bitch, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DROWN IN THE FUCKING SINK, RELAX ALREADY1!11" ? 1774393;1516647131;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774019 << this leaves one wondering ; hey caaddr how long did you actually spend reading the logs ? 1774394;1516647131;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:37 caaddr: "WARNING: MAY STILL CONTAIN DANGEROUS LEVELS OF SANITY". yes, just a joke. it would be nice to handle them as an exercise in hardware archaeology 1774395;1516647288;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774030 << he has a point you know ; there's A LOT of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760917 because significant impedance mismatch between phf state and phf blog. 1774396;1516647288;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:40 asciilifeform: phf: you gotta put this in proper essay form sometime 1774397;1516647288;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: in a sense you convict yourself to ricochet. 1774398;1516647463;mircea_popescu;anyway, the sluts beckon ; i shall bbl! 1774399;1516649661;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774395 << what i don't understand is how i can have the same conversation ~with ascii~ over and over again and still he'd be repeating the same original stuff. i don't think it's a question of my blog here, unless you're saying that me saying things in log have no merit because i don't have a blog post to back it up with. this is a novel take by the way, because log used to be canon 1774400;1516649661;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 18:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774030 << he has a point you know ; there's A LOT of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760917 because significant impedance mismatch between phf state and phf blog. 1774401;1516649689;asciilifeform;phf: on one hand, asciilifeform oughta take better notes. on other , phf really oughta have blog!11 1774402;1516649713;ben_vulpes;caaddr: get a stable connection if you're going to hang around 1774403;1516649727;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if 'log not canonical', but moar of limitations of meat memory. 1774404;1516649741;trinque;phf: I dunno it's that; I could pick out plenty of examples of "trinque said!!" from the log. I think it's just a huge amount of information by now. 1774405;1516649742;ben_vulpes;(is this even possibru with tor?) 1774406;1516649749;asciilifeform;phf: consider the practical diff b/w ffa-in-log-cum-pastes and the current series. 1774407;1516649756;*;trinque has much to improve in teh blog category as well 1774408;1516649793;phf;aight, these are fair points 1774409;1516649877;asciilifeform;and incidentally, imho the correct response to asciilifeform (or whoever else) being amnesiac and ignoring old point in log, is to... link to it 1774410;1516649901;asciilifeform;this helps the threads actually carry through time 1774411;1516649922;asciilifeform;( and lets'em actually move forward, instead of '1 forward, 2 back' dance of heathendom ) 1774412;1516649966;phf;hmm, that's a relevant point to original "blog it!" because looking for those threads is work :> certainly more work than searching through own blog 1774413;1516649972;asciilifeform;but yes phf in fact described , in considerable detail, how scheme79/83 authors strategically omitted the vlsi synthesis tool from their pubs 1774414;1516649979;asciilifeform;and yes. 1774415;1516652691;asciilifeform;in other oddities from asciilifeform's wwwtron referlog : http://armoredcoin.org << anybody here wants to confess to authorship of this ? it claims interop with trb , compliance with asciilifeform's '7laws' , etc 1774416;1516652768;asciilifeform;http://armoredco.in links also to various mircea_popescu items, e.g. the airgap article 1774417;1516652912;ben_vulpes;> required materials: two mid-2000s laptops (... Max Armor = 6 laptops) 1774418;1516652977;ben_vulpes;copyright 2014-2018 1774419;1516653005;trinque;lol electrum wtf 1774420;1516653124;ben_vulpes;nice thing about that email is that whoever's behind it can be expected to know what #trilema is 1774421;1516653581;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu Contracts signed. GPGgram has itemized numbers http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZAvXe/?raw=true Still waiting on them to clarify which SWIFT code to use because apparently EVERY bank branch here has their own. 1774422;1516653581;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1774423;1516653598;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1774424;1516653604;trinque;congrats BingoBoingo 1774425;1516653604;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10490.98, vol: 14921.64041404 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10452.99927161, vol: 57437.16739068 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10475.4, vol: 4609.59790967 | Volume-weighted last average: 10461.7040527 1774426;1516653619;BingoBoingo;trinque: yw 1774427;1516653787;trinque;got a list of those supermicros anywhere? 1774428;1516653921;BingoBoingo;trinque: They sent pricing information for one machine, will forward to you after sober time 1774429;1516653940;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/#comment-114568 << The contracted numbers for the curious 1774430;1516654120;BingoBoingo;brb, sobertime 1774431;1516654419;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774215 <- they probably are, yes; still an ugly sight if not worse 1774432;1516654419;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 17:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773923 << well, i suspect they're countrymen. weren't they both from lebanon or somesuch ? 1774433;1516654857;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774169 <- cheers! 1774434;1516654857;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 16:29 asciilifeform: !!rate diana_coman 3 industrial FG user; adatronicist; ffa reader 1774435;1516655247;asciilifeform;for some reason asciilifeform was quite convinced that he had already rated diana_coman 1774436;1516655446;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774420 << as i see it, it's an attempt to 'cardanocoin', i.e. quietly barnacle on tmsr 1774437;1516655446;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 20:32 ben_vulpes: nice thing about that email is that whoever's behind it can be expected to know what #trilema is 1774438;1516655469;asciilifeform;the author's failure to show up , is proof of it 1774439;1516655479;asciilifeform;!!up emmylark 1774440;1516655479;deedbot;emmylark voiced for 30 minutes. 1774441;1516655489;asciilifeform;emmylark: who might you be ? 1774442;1516655787;mod6;not today 'eh 1774443;1516655816;asciilifeform;in other lulz, the whois contact in 'armoredcoin' , seachoice@gmail.com , shows up in massive buncha spam domain regs 1774444;1516655826;asciilifeform;and also in https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=751245 random classified junk ad 1774445;1516655853;asciilifeform;and in e.g. gameofcoins.info 1774446;1516655910;asciilifeform;and supposedly ( now expired ) qntra.info 1774447;1516655945;asciilifeform;... and deedbot.com 1774448;1516655972;asciilifeform;and various other spamolade ( depending on who you ask... various expireds also, e.g. as shown in https://archive.is/WuXSq ) 1774449;1516655999;asciilifeform;!~google "seachoice@gmail.com" 1774450;1516656001;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Seachoice @ gmail.com : Shannon Morrisey, United States: ; SeaChoice - FIS - Suppliers - Company Details: ; Seachoice 15' Wht Nylon Dock Line - Free Shipping On Orders Over ...: (1 more message) 1774451;1516656068;asciilifeform;23621 Walters Ct / 92677 Laguna Niguel, California / 13104218889 , supposedly. 1774452;1516656074;asciilifeform;anybody wanna give it a call. 1774453;1516656114;asciilifeform;also operates thelogdailyreport.com , which is a... linkfarm made out of #trilema log 1774454;1516656181;ben_vulpes;18M visits in the last 24 hours seems a bit tall 1774455;1516656200;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: betcha it also operates the various cardanocoins, mpexinfos, bitbetwhateverthefucks 1774456;1516656225;ben_vulpes;this is vastly lower dough scammatronics than cardanocoin 1774457;1516656225;asciilifeform;perhaps even the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772260 one. 1774458;1516656225;a111;Logged on 2018-01-18 04:36 mircea_popescu: crypto ag is zug-erstrasse, 6312 gubel, swizerland. 1774459;1516656244;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i fail to see the substantial difference 1774460;1516656251;asciilifeform;both cost ~0 to make 1774461;1516656301;ben_vulpes;research-first academics behind cardano demand turkeybuxx 1774462;1516656313;ben_vulpes;this spamola, yes, ~0 1774463;1516656320;asciilifeform;and this other thing also offers 'buy ads here!' 1774464;1516656350;asciilifeform;not to mention attempts to create spurious picture of association with tmsr 1774465;1516656353;ben_vulpes;cardanocoin demands what, at least a half a galweegian for two quarters, with the corp markup that's a hundred k at least 1774466;1516656374;ben_vulpes;yes well that latter bit is a grand self-crit 1774467;1516656392;asciilifeform;at any rate what diff does it make how many zeros in front of sc4mz0r's asking prices 1774468;1516656405;asciilifeform;work of fiction in both cases costs ~0 to produce 1774469;1516656479;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/input-output-hk/cardano-sl/ cost *something* to produce 1774470;1516656598;asciilifeform;depending on what it was plagiarized from... 1774471;1516656613;asciilifeform;( by same argument, the 'armoredcoin' youtube clip, also cost.. ) 1774472;1516656732;ben_vulpes;i woulda expected you to be able to sniff order-of-magnitude difference in plagiaristic works; swoopy css ain't cheap 1774473;1516658456;ben_vulpes;http://www.industryweek.com/labor-employment-policy/german-union-steps-fight-modern-28-hour-workweek << "gimme moar!" 1774474;1516660115;shinohai;http://archive.is/fVvBX <<< Guess I'm gonna have to patent VC spray for Conbase, they are making so much money. 1774475;1516660192;ben_vulpes;pre-expense profits of 10MM, generously 1774476;1516660263;ben_vulpes;silly-con valley darling 1774477;1516664977;mircea_popescu;hey shinohai where was the official kleopatra sauce ? 1774478;1516665212;shinohai;Here: https://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kleopatra/development 1774479;1516665387;mircea_popescu;ty kindly. 1774480;1516665425;mircea_popescu;shinohai a no i mean for windoze 1774481;1516665568;shinohai;Ah, it's https://www.gpg4win.org/download.html ( Dunno why it's called this now) 1774482;1516665593;shinohai;No wait, thats the old link hurrr 1774483;1516665801;shinohai;https://gpg4win.org/download.html <<< without the `www` 1774484;1516665827;mircea_popescu;a cool. thankee. 1774485;1516665957;shinohai;No problem! 1774486;1516667059;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774078 << you don't say! 1774487;1516667059;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:55 asciilifeform: the only actual standard in whole fucking machine is the mains cord. 1774488;1516667071;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/challenge-accepted/ << Trilema - Challenge accepted! 1774489;1516667159;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in rural adventures, http://78.media.tumblr.com/468a596f5d794496ebeedb8a67bd7659/tumblr_nx0b9jv4Zx1udy23bo1_1280.jpg 1774490;1516667424;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774109 << plouffe! 1774491;1516667424;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 15:05 asciilifeform: there's been no significant discoveries, in 80s or 90s. 1774492;1516667575;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774125 << lovely! is this the new you phf ? 1774493;1516667575;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 15:23 deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2018/vdiff-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes 1774494;1516668709;BingoBoingo; http://trilema.com/2018/challenge-accepted/ << Trilema - Challenge accepted! << Like my Spanish, my camera foo requires work 1774495;1516668738;mircea_popescu;this is a REALLY nice one. 1774496;1516668816;BingoBoingo;Mine two are of the sort that were chosen so as to not be too painful if the theiving sort of latinos populated here 1774497;1516668840;BingoBoingo;*my two 1774498;1516668924;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu and the wire transfer routing information http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/uLmlV/?raw=true 1774499;1516668957;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aite how many of these picemeal snippets are there ? 3 ? i got two so far, missing any ? 1774500;1516668994;BingoBoingo;It is the two, I can put them together into one. 1774501;1516669011;shinohai;http://archive.is/dmaBV <<< tariffs on solar panels lmao 1774502;1516669024;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dun worry about it, got 'em then 1774503;1516669056;shinohai;And the Maytag man won't lose his job to unfair competition from LG 1774504;1516669125;BingoBoingo;They just hadn't sent the international routing information in time to put it with the rest before sober time. 1774505;1516669356;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774190 << this has such a great ring to it. 1774506;1516669356;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 16:47 ave1: yes, I would not support older or gcc gnats, a user can mutilate on his own 1774507;1516669481;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the cage is there on the floor ready to fill 1774508;1516669497;mircea_popescu;wait, they gave it to you unpaid ?! 1774509;1516669507;BingoBoingo;Nah 1774510;1516669514;BingoBoingo;It is just on the floor waiting for payment 1774511;1516669535;mircea_popescu;a. speaking of filling, what can you procure locally ? got a list etc ? 1774512;1516669656;mircea_popescu;holy shit https://gpg4win.org/get-gpg4win.html << paywalled nao ?! 1774513;1516669701;BingoBoingo;Just a sec and Iĺl pull a price 1774514;1516669809;shinohai;I'll be damned if I can find anywhere anymoe that *isn't* paywalled :/ 1774515;1516669829;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1774516;1516669966;shinohai;This is new development, was still free in December because I was walking someone through it, none of that junk. 1774517;1516670093;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774399 << entirely separate concerns. as to 1, yes, we all have repeated conversations with alf in this vein, i dunno what exactly to do about it ; 2. the quality of your killshot was poor, and it is my theory that this is because the sort of topic would greatly benefit from the cohesive power of an article ; nothing to do with log not being canon, but a matter of collected convenience. 1774518;1516670093;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 19:34 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774395 << what i don't understand is how i can have the same conversation ~with ascii~ over and over again and still he'd be repeating the same original stuff. i don't think it's a question of my blog here, unless you're saying that me saying things in log have no merit because i don't have a blog post to back it up with. this is a novel take by the way, because log used to be canon 1774519;1516670094;BingoBoingo;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3nbdH/?raw=true << Sample beefy machine 8328 including everything but the 22% VAT, Apparently per unit price comes down quite a bit ordered in quanity. They haven't been able to find refurb suppliers. Going to send solicitations to local "Gamer" oriented computer shops about importing shit from Newegg et all 1774520;1516670095;mircea_popescu;that make sense ? 1774521;1516670103;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo why sample machine not the whole list. 1774522;1516670135;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Because they haven't produced a whole list of machines yet. 1774523;1516670167;mircea_popescu;is the dc handling supply itself, they don't outsource ? 1774524;1516670241;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774401 << and this is why i have nfi what to do about it, he evidently understands, just through a very tortured process. 1774525;1516670241;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 19:34 asciilifeform: phf: on one hand, asciilifeform oughta take better notes. on other , phf really oughta have blog!11 1774526;1516670248;BingoBoingo;They deal with an importer. 1774527;1516670255;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774512 << 'zero' button seems to work 1774528;1516670255;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 01:07 mircea_popescu: holy shit https://gpg4win.org/get-gpg4win.html << paywalled nao ?! 1774529;1516670272;asciilifeform;( i.e. it's a nagwall, not paywall ) 1774530;1516670307;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so you never talked with that importer or it dun have a list or what is it 1774531;1516670323;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform slut in training missed that. 1774532;1516670373;asciilifeform;i gotta wonder tho, if the winturd is full of nag now also 1774533;1516670382;*;asciilifeform never once tried it 1774534;1516670389;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1774535;1516670390;BingoBoingo;I haven't talked with them directly yet. I'm writing the email now asking for a list, including prices for quantities greater than one. 1774536;1516670398;mircea_popescu;ye olde days of "shareware" are upon us! 1774537;1516670404;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo good move. 1774538;1516670454;*;asciilifeform wonders what kind of noobslut training call for a winlulz box 1774539;1516670482;mircea_popescu;the literal kind, "how shall i deliver this pics of me doing things". 1774540;1516670487;asciilifeform;aa 1774541;1516670489;mircea_popescu;consider, i am a man of no email. 1774542;1516670493;asciilifeform;outpatient 1774543;1516670497;asciilifeform;makes sense 1774544;1516670531;mircea_popescu;but why, do you propose i have her download ubuntu ? 1774545;1516670592;asciilifeform;lolnaah 1774546;1516670603;mircea_popescu;well what then, "get ye a bolix, ho!" ? 1774547;1516670692;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774412 << you know ? especially on some particularly salient salients that lend themselves well to articlization. 1774548;1516670692;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 19:39 phf: hmm, that's a relevant point to original "blog it!" because looking for those threads is work :> certainly more work than searching through own blog 1774549;1516670693;*;asciilifeform wonders if we're doomed to return eventually to the cryptoterminal idea. 1774550;1516670713;mircea_popescu;so far it looks much too unavoidable for comfort. 1774551;1516670717;asciilifeform;aha 1774552;1516670730;mircea_popescu;a rsa-cum-fg-terminal COULD be built. in preference of "proper micro in each man's home" 1774553;1516670733;asciilifeform;fwiw i find it in my head ~every day 1774554;1516670738;asciilifeform;aaha. 1774555;1516670761;asciilifeform;ffa makes it for the first time both doable and appealing imho. 1774556;1516670785;mircea_popescu;but, one day at a time. this slut -- gpg4win. maybe in the future... 1774557;1516670790;asciilifeform;yea 1774558;1516670838;*;asciilifeform wonders how many slutcandidates own , or could scavenge, msdos-capable box 1774559;1516670871;mircea_popescu;~0. 1774560;1516670894;mircea_popescu;these are twenty year olds yo! do you understand ? original "pgp is munitions!!!" lulz happened BEFORE THEY WERE BORN. 1774561;1516670907;asciilifeform;fwiw dos boots even on some current iron 1774562;1516670917;asciilifeform;tru 1774563;1516670923;mircea_popescu;there's girls that were born IN THIS MILLENIUM! and they're not even THAT jailbaity. 1774564;1516670940;asciilifeform;then again i have plenty of iron from before i was born 1774565;1516670950;asciilifeform;and did also at 20.. 1774566;1516670952;mircea_popescu;you're a boy. 1774567;1516670957;asciilifeform;tru. 1774568;1516671116;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774519 << this is brainmeltingly ludicrously overpriced 1774569;1516671116;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 01:14 BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3nbdH/?raw=true << Sample beefy machine 8328 including everything but the 22% VAT, Apparently per unit price comes down quite a bit ordered in quanity. They haven't been able to find refurb suppliers. Going to send solicitations to local "Gamer" oriented computer shops about importing shit from Newegg et all 1774570;1516671150;asciilifeform;a circa 2008 box, for >8x what i paid for a dulap-class opteron cum ssd raid 1774571;1516671201;asciilifeform;i gotta wonder if BingoBoingo made the mistake of mentioning bitcoin within earshot of the vendor 1774572;1516671255;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774415 << this is mildly interesting. who dun it ? 1774573;1516671255;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 20:24 asciilifeform: in other oddities from asciilifeform's wwwtron referlog : http://armoredcoin.org << anybody here wants to confess to authorship of this ? it claims interop with trb , compliance with asciilifeform's '7laws' , etc 1774574;1516671265;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see thread 1774575;1516671285;asciilifeform;seems to come with a (possibly pseudonymous) 'who' 1774576;1516671398;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo are you paying last month rack rental 2x ? or just mistyped "last month bw". 1774577;1516671464;mircea_popescu;also didn't you end up NOT having to pay vat, as per export etc ? or what was that discussion 1774578;1516671541;BingoBoingo;mistyped, the way to not pay VAT was to pay still more for a "Free Zone User License" The way to recoup some VAT is to search for some sorta hustle to get cash out of the locals. 1774579;1516671556;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774453 << bwahahaha 1774580;1516671556;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 21:21 asciilifeform: also operates thelogdailyreport.com , which is a... linkfarm made out of #trilema log 1774581;1516671594;mircea_popescu;see cuz tl;dr, the log daily 1774582;1516671619;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774453 << bwahahaha << I think that was a RagnarDanneskjol thing 1774583;1516671619;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 21:21 asciilifeform: also operates thelogdailyreport.com , which is a... linkfarm made out of #trilema log 1774584;1516671693;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-27#812096 << there is that. 1774585;1516671693;a111;Logged on 2014-08-27 07:50 assbot: Picasa Web Albums - shannon morrisey - Prince and Tank 1774586;1516671696;asciilifeform;studentloanhelp.me also him ? 1774587;1516671713;asciilifeform;and faststudentdebtrelief.com ? 1774588;1516671717;BingoBoingo;And exports from the local me to the foreign TMSR as exports do not incur VAT 1774589;1516671729;asciilifeform;and deedbot.com ?!! 1774590;1516671762;asciilifeform;and, motherfucker, biffsbets.com . 1774591;1516671784;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774471 << youtube clips sure as fuck cost. ended publishing just about. 1774592;1516671784;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 21:30 asciilifeform: ( by same argument, the 'armoredcoin' youtube clip, also cost.. ) 1774593;1516671832;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know this $800 accountant was deeply fucking useless ; no bank account, no vat anullment, wtf. 1774594;1516671840;mircea_popescu;aaaanyway. 1774595;1516671915;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774473 << the problem is there's not what to have them do for even 14 hours a week. there's just too many of them, they're just too fucking useless, and they literally expect to live better than their parents. nuttery of the sort wasn't encountered ever since people on sunken titanic expected waltz to sound just as good underwater!!! 1774596;1516671915;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 22:00 ben_vulpes: http://www.industryweek.com/labor-employment-policy/german-union-steps-fight-modern-28-hour-workweek << "gimme moar!" 1774597;1516671939;mircea_popescu;aaaanyway, as they say, "i can't believe i ate the whole thing!" 1774598;1516671972;mircea_popescu;here's some sluts to cerebrate : http://78.media.tumblr.com/e469052366e55ef8068cdea54e040037/tumblr_ny36crxKCI1qhnpjvo1_1280.jpg 1774599;1516672202;shinohai;^ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/plow.jpg 1774600;1516672253;mod6;lol 1774601;1516672273;mircea_popescu;hehe 1774602;1516673033;BingoBoingo; a circa 2008 box, for >8x what i paid for a dulap-class opteron cum ssd raid << Has two of last year's http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Zen/AMD-EPYC%207251.html and 128 GB of RAM, I am asking for a list but if you could forward some spec'd by alf suggestions it could be helpful. 1774603;1516673044;BingoBoingo;brb, me voy a dormir 1774604;1516673239;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i don't buy new cpu , mobo, or cases, it would mean paying the priced-for-usgcorps 'tax' 1774605;1516673244;asciilifeform;aka the newness tax 1774606;1516673283;shinohai;Feliz noche y dulces suenos de las gorditas BingoBoingo ! 1774607;1516673463;shinohai;http://archive.is/3uTCK <<< "We have investors that pay us to throw car show. I took funds and invest in BITCONNECT in DEC 2017. They run wit money n I dunno what to do." 1774608;1516673486;shinohai;Bitconnect has provided so many rich sfyl stories. 1774609;1516677624;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in no-more-pantsuit news, http://78.media.tumblr.com/1e7da20c0aa818cddebbcc4775c6a39d/tumblr_nqx6ekqHYw1soqeaqo1_1280.jpg 1774610;1516677932;mircea_popescu;and in other mosul news, "still digging up corpses". 1774611;1516678581;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo missing from this list of two items, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773456 1774612;1516678581;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 15:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do a few trades with the locals to get a feeling of the place an' report ; also gpgram me the story of bbisp fiat holdings ab origine. 1774613;1516678715;mircea_popescu;other than that, these details are disfunctional. compile an actually correct and complete set, without "to be filled later" metasyntactic notations. 1774614;1516678803;mircea_popescu;and in general if this current trend continues of 1. i ask for something ; 2. you deliver something entirely else ; 3. i point this out ; 4. nothing happens we're going to have a serious problem. how did you figure these are wire details, what, you never in your life saw a wire ? wtf is "Beneficiario Final: (Razón Social o Nombre Completo del Cliente y N° de Cuenta en Montevideo)" ? 1774615;1516678867;asciilifeform;i can actually believe that he never saw a wire 1774616;1516678874;asciilifeform;1st time off the reservation & all. 1774617;1516678885;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1774618;1516682209;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774125 << Good Evening TMSR. I have followed the steps here, and repeated the given steps with the expected results. Which looks good! I have also done a bit of additional testing on this vdiff change with a local vpatch created with the original, and the new, and then comparing the output vpatches. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Knj0f/?raw=true 1774619;1516682209;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 15:23 deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2018/vdiff-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes 1774620;1516682236;mod6;It would be good to have others verify the same before we deed this new change & post to the foundation website. 1774621;1516682257;mod6;Anyone who has a free hand, please check it out and let me know how it goes. Much appreciated. 1774622;1516682354;mod6;A last question that I had: The original uses /bin/bash, the new changes include changing the shell to /bin/sh, is this intended, if so, why? 1774623;1516682396;mod6;!!up emmylark 1774624;1516682396;deedbot;emmylark voiced for 30 minutes. 1774625;1516682463;mod6;SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT 1774626;1516682940;*;trinque falls down 1774627;1516684222;mod6;BOO, NOT COOL 1774628;1516684957;mircea_popescu;lol she's not permitted to talk to you dangerous characters! at least not yet! 1774629;1516684978;mod6;haha 1774630;1516685673;shinohai;Was wondering why they didn't reply this past morning: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773920 1774631;1516685673;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 12:35 shinohai: Greetings emmylark 1774632;1516685682;shinohai;One of *yours* 1774633;1516687912;douchebag;Does anyone in here have suggestion on learning x86 and x64 ASM? 1774634;1516687965;douchebag;And low level memory exploitation? Those are some areas I'm interested in learning about but I need to learn more. 1774635;1516688019;trinque; I dunno about low level exploitation leetsauce, but when I was learning some ppc asm I wrote a sad little scheme in the stuff 1774636;1516688055;mircea_popescu;douchebag you could try writing your own c compiler. it's traditionally how this is taught afaik. 1774637;1516688065;mircea_popescu;doesn't have to be fancy/portable/optimizing/etcetera. 1774638;1516688092;douchebag;Ooh interesting idea, I'll have to look more into that 1774639;1516688102;mircea_popescu;c not c++ mind. and it's not THAT hard. 1774640;1516688161;douchebag;I started class today, my teacher provides every assignment the first day of class I'm pretty sure I can complete it all in a few days so I suppose I'll have plenty of time to focus on that throughout this semester 1774641;1516688283;mircea_popescu;why not. 1774642;1516688312;douchebag;:) 1774643;1516688391;douchebag;mircea_popescu: I want a career as a pentester, so far I feel I'm doing pretty good in terms of getting experience and reputation in the community. Do you have any suggestions for ways I that could get further on my career path? 1774644;1516688421;mircea_popescu;well, the problem with it is that it's not actually much of a career path. 1774645;1516688434;douchebag;What do you mean? 1774646;1516688493;mircea_popescu;here's what i mean : being a doctor is a career path. you have to, mind, HAVE TO go to a certain fixed form schooling ; there's no dispute as to this. after you do, every year you practice you get better, and your market value improves. eventually decay sets in and you retire. 1774647;1516688568;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, being an "academic" is not a career path. you can in principle go to any sort of school or none whatsoever to make an academic as good as any other, and nobody could discern this by examining you -- ie, there's a lot of dispute as to the training format. after you do or do not, every year you practice you stay at most as good as you were, and your market value generally decreases. eventually they "revolutionize" th 1774648;1516688569;mircea_popescu;e field from under your feet and while you never retire, you also stop counting for anything. 1774649;1516688575;mircea_popescu;now, pentesting is type A, not type D. 1774650;1516688596;mircea_popescu;there is ~some~ actual substance to it, however it's almost entirely a subclass of being a systems programmer. 1774651;1516688600;mircea_popescu;hence my suggestion. 1774652;1516688702;douchebag;Eventually, I would like to start a company of some sort providing security solutions to companies as well as hire pentesters to work for me. 1774653;1516688767;mircea_popescu;according to some people, there's no market in this. eg http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+0day+market 1774654;1516688887;douchebag;Oh yes I understand that, I'm not really looking to sell 0day exploits, I mean starting a security company to provide penetration testing services to companies. A lot of places are required to hire a pentester or team of pentesters 1774655;1516688906;douchebag;to try to avoid any security issues that could affect the company 1774656;1516688933;mircea_popescu;do you understand the crystal ball problem ? 1774657;1516688949;douchebag;Could you elaborate? 1774658;1516688988;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/vladimir-oane-iz-meleonare/#selection-73.0-81.15 1774659;1516688990;mircea_popescu;do you speak romanian ? 1774660;1516689020;douchebag;No I do not 1774661;1516689096;douchebag;Oh okay I understand 1774662;1516689098;mircea_popescu;aite, here : "does ubervu have a chance of ever being profitable ? absolutely never. there's complicated considerations involved, but principally determinant two : first, and absolutely unsurmountable, is that such products do not add any value, but are merely used in the way witches use crystal balls. exactly in the way. therefore, the more popular witches decide the brand of "best" crystal balls 1774663;1516689151;mircea_popescu;the cost of polishing a hunk of crystal into something more or less ballsyform are degrees of magnitude under the costs involved in convincing a top witch to support your balls. these products can therfore be successful if and only if they're pushed by a market dominator". 1774664;1516689245;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at teh beach, http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ma1aAbeb1r71yaho1_1280.jpg 1774665;1516689290;douchebag;I would like to be successful one day, I don't mind if I don't become super rich however I would like to be able to live rather comfortably and possibly retire early 1774666;1516689299;mircea_popescu;obviously. 1774667;1516689316;douchebag;I'm just not completely sure about how I am going to go about that 1774668;1516689331;mircea_popescu;don't worry about it. 1774669;1516689362;douchebag;After college and I get a few more certificates I'll be working a job paying roughly ~80-$100k/yr starting off 1774670;1516689385;mircea_popescu;that's not so bad, is it. 1774671;1516689399;douchebag;No not at all 1774672;1516689530;douchebag;I've just been trying to think ahead about what I should do with my life. As of now I have a pretty solid plan in terms of getting started and whatnot, I'll definitely be living comfortable. I'm just not sure what I should try to do after that to 1774673;1516689547;douchebag;improve myself 1774674;1516689559;mircea_popescu;well why do you care, cross that bridge when you get to it. 1774675;1516689590;douchebag;I'm just the type of person who likes to plan ahead, that's all 1774676;1516689601;mircea_popescu;why ? 1774677;1516689606;douchebag;I'm autistic. 1774678;1516689642;mircea_popescu;"i'm the type of person who likes to smoke" "why ?" "a lot of cancer cases in my family". really now! 1774679;1516689668;douchebag;I'm very high functioning, most people in real life cannot even tell until they have known me for a long time. 1774680;1516689672;mircea_popescu;relax, go talk to girls. planning is best used in moderation. 1774681;1516689679;douchebag;Oh I already have a girlfriend 1774682;1516689690;mircea_popescu;that's an unrelated consideration. 1774683;1516689776;trinque;douchebag: how do you define that "autism" 1774684;1516689806;douchebag;I can sit in front of my computer for 36 hours straight researching a specific topic 1774685;1516689837;douchebag;My interest typically take over my life 1774686;1516689848;mircea_popescu;as alf says, "didn't everyone do that in kindergarten???" 1774687;1516689875;*;trinque must have autisms, spent most of the weekend in trb guts 1774688;1516689878;douchebag;I find it difficult to relate to most people 1774689;1516689886;trinque;well they're awful, aren't they 1774690;1516689917;*;mircea_popescu is enjoying this trinque branching out into talk therapy business. 1774691;1516689926;douchebag;I don't have a single phobia nor do I flynch 1774692;1516689928;mircea_popescu;might be the first person cured by republican methods. 1774693;1516689937;mircea_popescu;wait, you have to have fobias ?! 1774694;1516689944;douchebag;nope 1774695;1516690000;douchebag;I also lack empathy 1774696;1516690047;mircea_popescu;honestly your problem might be overexposure to underqualified "social workers" aka bums. 1774697;1516690052;douchebag;idk, just typical autism stuff except I am a pretty normal person in terms of behaving properly, I don't enjoy social interaction much but I don't mind it 1774698;1516690069;douchebag;hm? 1774699;1516690099;mircea_popescu;i dunno where you got these ideas, but they're without basis in fact or any merit whatsoever. 1774700;1516690107;mircea_popescu;autism is not-this. 1774701;1516690124;trinque;douchebag: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648758 << maybe a thread for ya. 1774702;1516690124;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 18:57 trinque spent months years ago not talking to a soul except as needed at work 1774703;1516690150;douchebag;When I was younger I told a therapist that and she said that's all common for people with autism, and then I was diagnosed with autism my a doctor 1774704;1516690151;trinque;this is indeed not autism. it's the cinders left where rage sits too long, used for nothing. 1774705;1516690178;douchebag;If they got it wrong, I don't know what I have. I certainly know I'm not like most people 1774706;1516690212;mircea_popescu;nobody is like most people ffs. 1774707;1516690224;mircea_popescu;the average sex of the human race is half a ballsac with a labia. 1774708;1516690301;douchebag;Idk, what I mean is that I cannot relate to others easily and I have noticed throughout my life that I get much more obsessed with my interest than normal people. 1774709;1516690429;douchebag;I also have an extremely good memory compared to most people, I can remember very specific details about events and conversations that happened years prior 1774710;1516690455;mircea_popescu;being inteligent / not a retard is not a disease. 1774711;1516690505;trinque;douchebag: are you by chance from one of these hyper advanced nordic countries? 1774712;1516690530;douchebag;Nope I'm actually in Chicago 1774713;1516690539;trinque;d'oh lol 1774714;1516690596;trinque;anyhow "having something" is a fashionable way of distracting from your parents having utterly failed you, meaning to or not. 1774715;1516690733;douchebag;Eh, I'm not ashamed of myself I'm rather happy I am the way I am. Honestly 1774716;1516690753;douchebag;I feel that it's quite useful in terms of learning new stuff 1774717;1516690845;trinque;all I hear is "am male and have interests" 1774718;1516690872;trinque;bit sad you're calling that a disease, eh? 1774719;1516690920;*;trinque is curious if the diagnosis came with a prescription. 1774720;1516690931;mircea_popescu;"don't go in trilema". 1774721;1516690942;mircea_popescu;if they had any sense, at least. 1774722;1516690957;douchebag;Eh, I was mentioning that stuff as a way to show how my "autism" doesn't negatively impact my life 1774723;1516690994;mircea_popescu;douchebag nobody is surprised, but good for you anyways! 1774724;1516691020;douchebag;trinque: I was only prescribed sleeping medications because I find it very difficult to fall asleep, but that is unrelated 1774725;1516691074;trinque;yeah, they give you the ambien to sleep, then the amphetamines to get going, then the xanax to smooth out the amphetamine jitters 1774726;1516691089;trinque;it's a circular business, wheel has to start somewhere 1774727;1516691118;douchebag;Oh nah, I have done my fair share of experimenting with drugs but I no longer partake in that kind of stuff 1774728;1516691134;hanbot;ty phf & mod6 for vdiff/ulimit fixes --former did the trick, hopefully i'll never need the latter but noted to self in case. 1774729;1516691260;douchebag;In other news, I think this week I'm going to focus on finding an exploit in Pulse Connect Secure and writing a blog about that 1774730;1516691357;mircea_popescu;what came of finding a trilema hole btw ? 1774731;1516691394;douchebag;Not much actually, good job on securing your shit! 1774732;1516691445;douchebag;If you have any other sites you'd want me to check out I can do that 1774733;1516691472;mircea_popescu;actually, hanbot is about to genesis mp-wp, you're more than welcome to help down with the paring down effort of that, if you want. mostly php. 1774734;1516691479;mircea_popescu;do you have a v system going yet ? 1774735;1516691499;douchebag;v system? 1774736;1516691520;mod6;hanbot: ok good deal. 1774737;1516691524;mircea_popescu;tsk. the republic uses v, http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system 1774738;1516691546;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory see also. 1774739;1516691695;douchebag; Ooh interesting 1774740;1516693343;douchebag;How do I sign up? 1774741;1516693371;diana_coman;douchebag, what do you want to sign up for? 1774742;1516693387;douchebag;v system? 1774743;1516693432;diana_coman;there's no sign up, lol; just either implement your own or otherwise at least get a signed one, read it and run it 1774744;1516693454;douchebag;Oh alright, I must have misunderstood 1774745;1516693461;diana_coman;as usual, use it, change it, do whatever you want with it 1774746;1516693769;trinque;douchebag: mostly read, and start with those articles mircea_popescu gave you. 1774747;1516693800;trinque;when you have a working v-tron locally maybe someone will give you something to do with it. 1774748;1516694263;douchebag;forsure 1774749;1516708040;diana_coman;question for anyone who studied keccak: do you see any reason for keccak itself to care about msb/lsb? the way I see it, keccak works at bit level, so it eats a stream of bits in the order they come in and it outputs another stream of bits in the order they come out, no need for lsb/msb dance per se 1774750;1516708929;esthlos;hello all, vtronics question 1774751;1516709372;esthlos;to determine if b.vpatch descends from a.vpatch, my idea is to scan through b.vpatch and ensure that each ---(file,hash) matches some +++(file,hash) in a.vpatch. is this the standard procedure? 1774752;1516713803;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774614 << I have never seen a wire. I will intinsify my effort to suck less. I am trying to learn without falling into the outcome where we write this off as a learning experience. 1774753;1516713803;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 03:40 mircea_popescu: and in general if this current trend continues of 1. i ask for something ; 2. you deliver something entirely else ; 3. i point this out ; 4. nothing happens we're going to have a serious problem. how did you figure these are wire details, what, you never in your life saw a wire ? wtf is "Beneficiario Final: (Razón Social o Nombre Completo del Cliente y N° de Cuenta en Montevideo)" ? 1774754;1516713817;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774593 << This has been a particularly painful lesson and an expensive one with respect to time. 1774755;1516713817;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 01:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know this $800 accountant was deeply fucking useless ; no bank account, no vat anullment, wtf. 1774756;1516713835;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774611 << Arranging trades today to test the waters. 1774757;1516713835;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 03:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo missing from this list of two items, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773456 1774758;1516713844;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774613 << Will compile 1774759;1516713844;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 03:38 mircea_popescu: other than that, these details are disfunctional. compile an actually correct and complete set, without "to be filled later" metasyntactic notations. 1774760;1516717730;mircea_popescu;esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses. 1774761;1516718113;mircea_popescu;diana_coman as it currently stands it's a wonder it doesn't have ebcdic faggotry baked in also. 1774762;1516718158;esthlos;ah, that's much simpler. 1774763;1516719011;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aite ; the one thing missing from your enumeration there, is "gpgram me the story of bbisp fiat holdings ab origine." ; what this means is, i want a list showing "hey, i got $8500 (or w/e the fuck it was) and i spent x, y, z, k, l, leaving me with q". you wrote me a story, as a literary exercise, i want a numeric thing. gpg & send. 1774764;1516719306;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Numeric run down http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zW8od/?raw=true 1774765;1516719451;mircea_popescu;there we go! nice! 1774766;1516719484;BingoBoingo;It was in yesterday's jumble of gpggrams 1774767;1516719500;BingoBoingo;Apologies for the failure to label clearly 1774768;1516719586;mircea_popescu;it's so good, i'ma even publish it for later noobs. here : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/L3yym/?raw=true 1774769;1516719596;mircea_popescu;that's how you do this, hear ye. 1774770;1516719613;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo an' dun drink no more, it dun work out well for you. 1774771;1516719631;BingoBoingo;Yeah, I am just now starting to feel less physically ill 1774772;1516719980;diana_coman;that is actually clearer than the monthly statements, BingoBoingo 1774773;1516720143;mircea_popescu;i was mostly trying to ascertain whether he's got what to eat left. 1774774;1516720194;mircea_popescu;btw BingoBoingo, the thing with the wire : the receiver has to have some way to identify it was ~you~ who sent it. this isn't bitcoin, this is legacy ebcdic crapola, you can very well end up in the situation of "well, we did receive some money mr, but what says it's yours". 1774775;1516720205;mircea_popescu;need an acct # or something, it gets put in the notes. 1774776;1516720279;mircea_popescu;contract number, something. does your contract have a number ? 1774777;1516720860;mircea_popescu;meanwhile @ teh park, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e6bf7a0081f6ba0a18afcb38dac997fe/tumblr_ns0b8ddOEt1tjxcico1_1280.jpg 1774778;1516721089;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774768 << i must confess, very curious re what a 800bux network switch is 1774779;1516721089;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 14:59 mircea_popescu: it's so good, i'ma even publish it for later noobs. here : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/L3yym/?raw=true 1774780;1516721103;BingoBoingo; contract number, something. does your contract have a number ? << Asking. I have my registration number, but I am asking them for clarity. 1774781;1516721132;mircea_popescu;in other news, it's so great that you can take a 2 year old article and it's actually fucking useful. but -- a point i think wasn't mentioned and it's a pity : i ~really~ like ben_vulpes code indentation style. those bars. 1774782;1516721163;mircea_popescu;no way to link to selection, but grep for "Original first" 1774783;1516721224;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what spits out that "org-src-container" class ? 1774784;1516721259;BingoBoingo;Also have a trade date this afternoon 1774785;1516721283;mircea_popescu;you not gonna get mugged or anything, are you ? how do you have it arranged ? 1774786;1516721416;BingoBoingo;Meet at mall of my choosing, drink coffee, escrow through the localbitcoins site, hopefully get useful information on el clima aca. 1774787;1516721437;mircea_popescu;how much did that thing take ? 1774788;1516721447;shinohai;http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/fuckgoats1.html 1774789;1516721484;mircea_popescu;shinohai better titles! FUCKGOATS-unboxing.html why not. 1774790;1516721497;asciilifeform;shinohai: what's on your pogo ? 1774791;1516721498;shinohai;nb 1774792;1516721531;shinohai;My pogo has the pl2303x driver :/ 1774793;1516721536;asciilifeform;no 1774794;1516721539;asciilifeform;WHAT is on your pogo 1774795;1516721541;asciilifeform;all of it 1774796;1516721546;asciilifeform;from where did the os come from 1774797;1516721577;shinohai;Oh it's running the same Arch linux from old days, contains a copy of trb blockchain and naught else. 1774798;1516721704;BingoBoingo; how much did that thing take ? << site takes 1%, arrangements took little time to make 1774799;1516721718;mircea_popescu;not bad. 1774800;1516721730;mircea_popescu;aite, ima be out hoeing, back laters! 1774801;1516721905;mircea_popescu;douchebag re last night's convo : spyked is actually a (retiring, i think ?) security professor / researcher, you might want to also check out his blog. 1774802;1516723714;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought he was a student 1774803;1516724171;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774633 << '9000' places to learn. e.g. the amd manual. or just about any www page on subj. or there's now even an apress b00k, iirc 'low-level programming', that's ~ok . or , or 1774804;1516724171;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:11 douchebag: Does anyone in here have suggestion on learning x86 and x64 ASM? 1774805;1516724386;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774634 << it's a 'learn by doing' item 1774806;1516724386;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:12 douchebag: And low level memory exploitation? Those are some areas I'm interested in learning about but I need to learn more. 1774807;1516724714;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774643 << this is a terrible idea. it is a tournament market. and by all indications (i.e. yer asking the q) , you're trying to join it as an adult. which promises to be a double-width shitsandwich. 1774808;1516724714;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:19 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I want a career as a pentester, so far I feel I'm doing pretty good in terms of getting experience and reputation in the community. Do you have any suggestions for ways I that could get further on my career path? 1774809;1516724838;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-25#1174930 and elsewhere ) 1774810;1516724838;a111;Logged on 2015-06-25 00:49 mircea_popescu: there are two overlapping misguiding things here. one is, the tournament market. you wouldn't imagine singer/songwriters are better off than you because britney spears, would you ? nor would you imagine "pundits are rich" because oprah, or limbaugh or whatever. 1774811;1516724947;asciilifeform;( orig http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-19#724168 ) 1774812;1516724947;a111;Logged on 2014-06-19 01:51 asciilifeform: 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an 1774813;1516725331;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774652 << http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1044114 + http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1044115 1774814;1516725331;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:25 douchebag: Eventually, I would like to start a company of some sort providing security solutions to companies as well as hire pentesters to work for me. 1774815;1516725331;a111;Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not. 1774816;1516725331;a111;Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet. 1774817;1516725416;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 << if being a 'they are REQUIRED to hire an X' X doesn't turn yer stomach, there are more lucrative usg.bureaucracies than the seekoority racket 1774818;1516725416;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:28 douchebag: Oh yes I understand that, I'm not really looking to sell 0day exploits, I mean starting a security company to provide penetration testing services to companies. A lot of places are required to hire a pentester or team of pentesters 1774819;1516725466;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774669 << if you're in usa or europistan, that's a 'staying above water' wage, nobody's retiring on that, 'early' or late or otherwise 1774820;1516725466;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:36 douchebag: After college and I get a few more certificates I'll be working a job paying roughly ~80-$100k/yr starting off 1774821;1516725559;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774662 << exactly this. some people grasp the lesson after reading ; some -- after 1, 2, 3, however many failed corps and debts and 100% wasted productive years of life and etc 1774822;1516725559;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:31 mircea_popescu: aite, here : "does ubervu have a chance of ever being profitable ? absolutely never. there's complicated considerations involved, but principally determinant two : first, and absolutely unsurmountable, is that such products do not add any value, but are merely used in the way witches use crystal balls. exactly in the way. therefore, the more popular witches decide the brand of "best" crystal balls 1774823;1516725713;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774749 << as a rule, if you NEVER byte-address, you can ignore endianism 1774824;1516725713;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 11:47 diana_coman: question for anyone who studied keccak: do you see any reason for keccak itself to care about msb/lsb? the way I see it, keccak works at bit level, so it eats a stream of bits in the order they come in and it outputs another stream of bits in the order they come out, no need for lsb/msb dance per se 1774825;1516725730;asciilifeform;observe, e.g., in ffa. 1774826;1516727238;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773844 <-- thank you, trinque! 1774827;1516727238;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 05:13 trinque: burp 1774828;1516727242;spyked;and hi all 1774829;1516727254;asciilifeform;ohai spyked 1774830;1516727553;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774802 <-- neh, I'm freshly outta PhD; and outta teaching since late 2016, but still doing that occasionally, mostly for the 1-10% of students who appreciate the beating. 1774831;1516727553;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 16:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought he was a student 1774832;1516727568;asciilifeform;aa 1774833;1516727642;spyked;re research: coincidentally, was reading http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635871 thread the other day and I can confirm diana_coman's experience. 1774834;1516727642;a111;Logged on 2017-04-02 08:04 diana_coman: might mention that I was a post-doc at some point in life 1774835;1516727900;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774633 <-- --> https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/cns ; shameless plug, I wrote some of the materials there. but ftr, I completely agree with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774650 "security research" actually involves understanding systems; then only then e.g. the fundamental weakness of "C machines" becomes apparent. 1774836;1516727900;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:11 douchebag: Does anyone in here have suggestion on learning x86 and x64 ASM? 1774837;1516727900;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:23 mircea_popescu: there is ~some~ actual substance to it, however it's almost entirely a subclass of being a systems programmer. 1774838;1516727940;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1774839;1516727946;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11188.0, vol: 19422.25940817 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11176.0, vol: 71862.13969968 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11201.1, vol: 5129.67823761 | Volume-weighted last average: 11179.7527926 1774840;1516727979;asciilifeform;spyked: oh hey just earlier today there was a fella who asked for a freshman intro to exploitations . 1774841;1516727994;asciilifeform;!~later tell douchebag http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774835 1774842;1516727994;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 17:18 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774633 <-- --> https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/cns ; shameless plug, I wrote some of the materials there. but ftr, I completely agree with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774650 "security research" actually involves understanding systems; then only then e.g. the fundamental weakness of "C machines" becomes apparent. 1774843;1516727994;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1774844;1516728024;BingoBoingo;Did not get mugged, he sent his girlfriend instead of appearing himself (or secretly is the girl) 1774845;1516728070;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: describe, for my education, what a trade like this looks like 1774846;1516728088;asciilifeform;i.e. you showed up with a privkey, and other party -- with benjies ? or wat 1774847;1516728139;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Used a web escrow thing to keep the kitten comfortable, they deliver benjies, I hit the release escrow button. 1774848;1516728149;asciilifeform;aa 1774849;1516728151;BingoBoingo;There was small talk 1774850;1516728155;asciilifeform;so 'ebay'-style. 1774851;1516728165;BingoBoingo;Well, strangers 1774852;1516728173;asciilifeform;makes sense. 1774853;1516728227;BingoBoingo;Was obvious to spot who the counterparty was when they entered the public meeting space. Meanwhile I had been comfortable seated for a bit with coffees on the table. 1774854;1516728245;asciilifeform;obvious how 1774855;1516728255;BingoBoingo;Body language 1774856;1516728300;BingoBoingo;Nervous, carried self in manner that screamed latina holding more cash than accustomed to. 1774857;1516728575;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 <-- from my experience, learning for a purpose can lead to a personal place of misery. consider http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ ; if anything, rather study computing *because* people who know computer systems are needed today (hard to believe they won't be needed tomorrow either) than for any imagined fame and glory. the romantic image of pentester belongs only to "hacker" movies 1774858;1516728575;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:28 douchebag: Oh yes I understand that, I'm not really looking to sell 0day exploits, I mean starting a security company to provide penetration testing services to companies. A lot of places are required to hire a pentester or team of pentesters 1774859;1516728658;asciilifeform;spyked: the 'because people needed' is also , for this purpose, 'a purpose' 1774860;1516728675;spyked;troo 1774861;1516728731;asciilifeform;see also naggum's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615385 1774862;1516728731;a111;Logged on 2017-02-18 22:28 asciilifeform: it also requires http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html . 1774863;1516728760;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-21#452476 , whole thing worth a read ) 1774864;1516728760;a111;Logged on 2014-01-21 19:00 asciilifeform: "something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they won't be as skilled or even as smart -- what was once dedication is replaced by greed and someti 1774865;1516728909;*;asciilifeform is astonished to regularly , as today, encounter folx who are apparently posting from a timewarp, maybe 1998-99 , where they labour under the delusion that 'why not go into programming, it's a guaranteed and comfortable living' 1774866;1516730039;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774737 << btw, ty ben_vulpes for writing this article. After I get archive .zip delivery up and running I will be taking time to get my castle in order. This will include: 1) learning 'v' 2) get a working trb 3) testing my damn fgs already 4) ffa chapter 1 (at least) 1774867;1516730039;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 07:12 mircea_popescu: tsk. the republic uses v, http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system 1774868;1516730044;lobbes;This all hinges on v, and for a n00b like me that article is worth its weight in gold. 1774869;1516730342;spyked;re naggum article, "programming is both similar and different. whether you are a user or a programmer these days is often hard to tell (this has good qualities to it, too)" <-- this user/programmer dichotomy being a direct consequence of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774116 maybe? ftr, /me started with a microcomputer and first thing he could do with it, by nature, was program it. even if the "program" consisted merely of LOAD "" 1774870;1516730342;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 15:08 asciilifeform: the microcomputer was a massive step back, not merely technically ( that'd be fixable ) but sociopolitically. 1774871;1516730540;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YwTUK/?raw=true << Wire information with the name and number to throw in the notes 1774872;1516730847;asciilifeform;spyked: load "*",8,1 !11111 1774873;1516731504;spyked;asciilifeform, hm. I'm not familiar with that syntax. what does ,8,1 mean? 1774874;1516731522;asciilifeform;spyked: https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/LOAD 1774875;1516731541;*;asciilifeform wonders which micro spyked had 1774876;1516731659;spyked;asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2015/02/hc-85.jpg (though mine was a HC 90 I think). Romanian ZX Spectrum clone, similar to many others discussed here 1774877;1516731682;asciilifeform;aaa similar to what mircea_popescu had 1774878;1516731869;asciilifeform;in related lulz : http://monster6502.com 1774879;1516731940;spyked;yes, very! funny enough, one of the people who worked on that (while a student himself) became my PhD advisor. he recently showed me a contraption that ran Basic, CP/M *and* had extensions for apple ii compatibility. (with an extra memory module? was it? I dun remember; anyway, it was soldered to the motherboard using a pair of wires, because no place to stick it in. communism was harsh, but people made the best of it) 1774880;1516732008;asciilifeform;in su also folx made boxes like this. 1774881;1516732030;asciilifeform;in 1990s it was a cottage industry of sorts. ( asciilifeform was not there for this, only saw thirdhand rumours ) 1774882;1516732177;*;spyked should take some photos next time he goes to the faculty; maybe grab some docs for the archaeologists 1774883;1516732553;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774622 << this was left non-deliberately, but it's a safe change. safer than having /bin/bash there. /bin/sh is posix, so any unix is going to have ~something~ there. on this freebsd machine /bin/sh is a pure posix shell, while bash lives in /usr/local/bin/bash 1774884;1516732553;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 04:39 mod6: A last question that I had: The original uses /bin/bash, the new changes include changing the shell to /bin/sh, is this intended, if so, why? 1774885;1516732639;asciilifeform;betcha there's incompatible sh out there. 1774886;1516732650;asciilifeform;posix is a dead dream, deader than lispm. 1774887;1516732676;asciilifeform;( i dun disagree with phf's decision, as such. but must point out. ) 1774888;1516732718;spyked;btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701132 I asked around for this at some point, unfortunately I couldn't get contact info on any of the authors; leftover iron/documentation could be buried at faculty of electronics tho 1774889;1516732718;a111;Logged on 2017-08-19 19:29 spyked: asciilifeform, found something (in romanian) http://www.atic.org.ro/ktml2/files/uploads/Masina%20DIALISP.pdf there's also a more detailed english version on ACM sci-hub http://dl.acm.org.sci-hub.cc/citation.cfm?id=802028# 1774890;1516732738;phf;well, there's another non-portable part there: awk i think is really gawk, but i don't know if linux consistently provides gawk command, so on unix it ought to be | gawk ..., but that might (?) fail in linux 1774891;1516732796;phf;afair though, the subset of commands that we have in vdiff can be reduced to portable awk (i had it working on mac os x), but i don't remember what the necessary changes are. someone mentioned that busybox awk fails.. 1774892;1516732824;asciilifeform;phf: isn't classical vdiff headed for retirement anyway 1774893;1516732884;phf;si 1774894;1516733686;mod6;phf: aha. good deal. agreed that most machines i've ever seen have a /bin/sh, not all have a /bin/bash. 1774895;1516733719;mod6;thanks for taking the time to make the fix & blog about how to repeat & test. 1774896;1516733771;mod6;looking for a few others to repeat the same kinda testing that I did. when we get a few more "thumbsup", then will deed & post to foundation site. 1774897;1516735219;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774643 << you've been tricked, there's two kinds of pentesters: "modern" ones, which are basically a security equivalent of a coder, they are taught how to use nessus and metasploit effectively so that their parent company can charge $x for a regulatory assurance "penntesting performed, following findings communicated and addressed" 1774898;1516735219;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:19 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I want a career as a pentester, so far I feel I'm doing pretty good in terms of getting experience and reputation in the community. Do you have any suggestions for ways I that could get further on my career path? 1774899;1516735397;trinque;fees have come *way* down. 1774900;1516735416;phf;the traditional track is that you spend your teen years cracking video games for infinite lives, then you move on to defacements and other script kiddie activities, and then eventually you have so much practical knowledge that you can start charging people for actual useful discovery work 1774901;1516735553;phf;if you're in the first category, you're going to be paid peanuts to do bitch work, if you're in the later category then by 19 (or whatever) "how to pentest career!1" is going to be ~the last fucking question~ you're going to ask a channel full of autodidacts 1774902;1516735607;ben_vulpes;yw lobbes, glad it was useful for you 1774903;1516735647;ben_vulpes;whoa megalog 1774904;1516736131;asciilifeform;phf: 2nd category is no guarantee of megabux , either. ( but everybody, i'd hope, knew this. ) 1774905;1516736144;phf;oh man "how do i learn assembly", you learn assembly by reading through the assembly output of a pirated ida pro that you have attached to your favorite video game, because you trying to figure out where the inventory count is, duh 1774906;1516736178;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774783 << "org mode", i haven't found else with which to htmlize coad 1774907;1516736178;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 15:27 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what spits out that "org-src-container" class ? 1774908;1516736259;asciilifeform;phf: aaha. i thought about answering douchebag , 'this is rather like asking where to learn to ballet' , but thought 'too harsh' 1774909;1516736568;phf;well, what is that they say, americans learn to market themselves as the main skill? "how do i optimize the roi of my career track please". whatever happened to "i'm trying to make a sploit from this bugtraq, but my return rail is too short, and i can't get a jump going to proper place"??? 1774910;1516736747;lobbes;Understand, usg edumacation highly emphasizes "purposes" over "causes" 1774911;1516736787;lobbes;From the very start. Do xyz, for purpose of "becoming w" 1774912;1516736833;lobbes;Never once did I encounter "interested in something? Here's how you could keep following that interest" 1774913;1516736960;lobbes;Well, very rarely, at least, did I encounter that. Not enough to make me take my 'schooling' any more seriously than 'find path of least resistance to fiatola pile' 1774914;1516737057;lobbes;From that, feeds into all the socialist pandering to folx who "hey, I did xyz like you said! Why no w yet!?" 1774915;1516737172;phf;i can see the education angle, and how it fails these people, but what i'm surprised about is the lack of personal drive? it's some kind of learned helplessness 1774916;1516737285;lobbes;It appears such to someone with actual skills such as phf. But for one for whom it is a "well, what else is there?", it seems like the rational move 1774917;1516737713;lobbes;Very much a cargo cultism, I would say. Cannot conceive of the workings of physics that even allow planes that drop payloads. Never been shown, or explained, by -anyone-. "Assembly code for favorite vidya game? But all my phriends just use "Game Shark" for their cheating levels" 1774918;1516737751;phf;hmm 1774919;1516737791;lobbes;And the new dawn of "babies watching youtubes" isn't gonna help this learned helplessness. Just cement it 1774920;1516737803;trinque;I took it as more the kind of self-marketing they teach kids to "get into college" 1774921;1516737826;trinque;kid was virtue signaling hard, "am strapping lad, going places!" 1774922;1516737852;trinque;which, it's sorta appropriate for the age. it's frankly someone else's fault the strapping lads aren't being forced into productive activity. 1774923;1516737884;ben_vulpes;ours mostly 1774924;1516737889;trinque;aha 1774925;1516737898;phf;right, sort of like how they used to ask "how do i learn hacking?" as an opener on kiddie channels 1774926;1516737934;phf;"i'm useless, but i'm down with whatever you're into, older boys" 1774927;1516737952;ben_vulpes;"127.0.0.1"! 1774928;1516737969;phf;you'll laught but that's how i learned about 127.0.0.1 :F 1774929;1516737971;phf;err :D 1774930;1516737981;ben_vulpes;aha :P 1774931;1516738035;phf;specifically a winnuke on 127.0.0.1. 1774932;1516738200;phf;i guess the main differentiator is whether or not douchebag actually wants to hack, in which case it's going back to commodore thread. between esl education and ipad there's no obvious direction of exploration, that he can take the way we could take it in the 90s 1774933;1516738289;ben_vulpes;relatedly, i discovered a computer in a 2.5y preschool classroom this am 1774934;1516738307;ben_vulpes;"pardon me, but what on earth do you have the toddlers using /that/ for?" 1774935;1516738331;ben_vulpes;"oh they like to cozy up to it and pretend to be business people. some even haul the cash register over too!" 1774936;1516738404;trinque;they're trying to teach them autism, so later they mistake their lack of capacity for attention as such. 1774937;1516738449;trinque;ftr "empathy" is not caring about anyone; it's being able to model them. not having it just means you were given ADD by the blinkenlights as a child. 1774938;1516738479;trinque;aside the marginal actual medical cases of malformed brain, or w/e 1774939;1516738605;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774932 << this is an actual problem. 1774940;1516738605;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 20:10 phf: i guess the main differentiator is whether or not douchebag actually wants to hack, in which case it's going back to commodore thread. between esl education and ipad there's no obvious direction of exploration, that he can take the way we could take it in the 90s 1774941;1516738642;trinque;gonna need a device someday to sit 'em down in, makes them track a red dot on the wall. if they lose it, electric shocks to the bum and the dot moves faster. 1774942;1516738799;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751003 << the commodore thread 1774943;1516738799;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 19:27 asciilifeform: to revisit the micros : it is interesting that NOBODY today makes a comp of any description that presents the eye with a programmable prompt immediately on power up. 1774944;1516738811;asciilifeform;( and possibly elsewhere. ) 1774945;1516738887;asciilifeform;( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750696 ) 1774946;1516738887;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750682 << in retrospect, regarding the matter cooly and with the disinterest of old age, i can affirm that this is ~the only important and enduring portion of computing as an education tool in my life. it's what feeds eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749457 and everything in between ands up to that : the 6yo mp's discovery that there exists a numeric universe underneath, and that it's t 1774947;1516738936;phf;trinque: the function used to be performed by a teacher with a ruler 1774948;1516739153;lobbes;If it weren't for the (wholly optional) "pc repair" class I took in high school (~2004) I never would have gone beyond the "how to MS Word" in the mandatory "Computers" class. 1774949;1516739156;lobbes;Was only there where I actually took apart old 90's machines, saw and held motherboards, connected power supplied, and interfaced with DOS. if only for a short time. 1774950;1516739172;lobbes;God help this new generation 1774951;1516743520;shinohai;What a great log, too much to link to but I learned things same way - took apart my trash80, then the 8088's. My room was littered with such stuff. 1774952;1516752472;shinohai;Just to make note in logs, I tested phf's vdiff changes as outlined on his blog, and got satisfactory results. Old version of vdiff failed as expected. 1774953;1516752497;shinohai;(This was on a Gentoo, will try later on African linux) 1774954;1516752825;mod6;Thanks shinohai! 1774955;1516752855;shinohai;np! 1774956;1516757610;ben_vulpes;stripe dropping bitcoin support 1774957;1516757624;ben_vulpes;> Despite this, we remain very optimistic about cryptocurrencies overall 1774958;1516757633;ben_vulpes;prepare for the lost decade of alts 1774959;1516757636;ben_vulpes;https://stripe.com/blog/ending-bitcoin-support 1774960;1516757672;asciilifeform;dafuq is 'stripe' 1774961;1516757684;ben_vulpes;don't-call-it-a-credit-card-gateway 1774962;1516757708;ben_vulpes;but precisely that with drop-in webforms and recurring payments and all sorts of tools for people who can't make their own 1774963;1516759989;mod6;hai mircea_popescu 1774964;1516759996;mircea_popescu;o hai there. 1774965;1516760002;mod6;how goes today? 1774966;1516760012;mircea_popescu;oh, today was epic! 1774967;1516760023;mod6;nice 1774968;1516760024;*;mircea_popescu is cooking up article. 1774969;1516760147;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774802 << nah, he got his phd years ago iirc. 1774970;1516760147;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 16:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought he was a student 1774971;1516760285;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774819 << he's like 19 and in chicago. this was in the logs! 1774972;1516760285;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 16:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774669 << if you're in usa or europistan, that's a 'staying above water' wage, nobody's retiring on that, 'early' or late or otherwise 1774973;1516760410;ben_vulpes;live in the ghetto, scrape pennies to buy btc. zillion times better than investing in the stock market bezzle or any of the other mad 401k/roth lockup chumpatrons 1774974;1516760449;mircea_popescu;either that or photograph tucans in the wild. 1774975;1516760459;mircea_popescu;DRESSED IN A SUIT. 1774976;1516760509;asciilifeform;speaking of optics , asciilifeform found today that chinese sell a qrcode-reader thing, the size of a matchbox, with rs232 output (i.e. self-contained, needs no softwarism) , eats 5v , ~20bux 1774977;1516760595;ben_vulpes;sounds like mircea_popescu had a good afternoon 1774978;1516760621;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774856 << loller. this, btw, VERY much a thing. i dunno how they survive, but if i wanted to make a life as a thief here, easily could. 1774979;1516760621;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 17:25 BingoBoingo: Nervous, carried self in manner that screamed latina holding more cash than accustomed to. 1774980;1516760640;mircea_popescu;can pick whosoever is the mark through the trivial process of their all but screaming it.\ 1774981;1516760652;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1774982;1516760721;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774857 << speaking of this, it occured to me earlier in teh car that if the current "intelligent car ; self drives" trend continue (as it doubtless will), the net result will in short order be a standardization of curves. 1774983;1516760721;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 17:29 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 <-- from my experience, learning for a purpose can lead to a personal place of misery. consider http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ ; if anything, rather study computing *because* people who know computer systems are needed today (hard to believe they won't be needed tomorrow either) than for any imagined fame and glory. the romantic image of pentester belongs only to "hacker" movies 1774984;1516760752;mircea_popescu;which is even a welcome fucking idea, no more of this "DANGEROUS CURVE AHEAD". bitch, i don't know your idea of "dangerous", say "curve type W64" and be fucking done with it. 1774985;1516760826;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774865 << what is the fucking alternative, if you're not the sort that can shoot someone in the head, all point blank and cool as shit ? 1774986;1516760826;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 17:35 asciilifeform is astonished to regularly , as today, encounter folx who are apparently posting from a timewarp, maybe 1998-99 , where they labour under the delusion that 'why not go into programming, it's a guaranteed and comfortable living' 1774987;1516760848;asciilifeform;dunno, honest trades ? 1774988;1516760870;mircea_popescu;it's either programming, "psychopathy" or else you go on the dole. and no, the sort of job parole officer gets for you ain't anything BUT the sort of "job" "social worker" gets your sister, ie "sit home, be rapebait, here's your supplemental whatever card" 1774989;1516760897;phf;like a shoe cobbler or a lathe machinist? 1774990;1516760907;asciilifeform;there are still such things as welders, sailors, machinists, surgeons, etc 1774991;1516760915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what honest fucking trades. like what, you open a lemonade stand, and through thrift and industry you end up owning all of the east end lemonade trade ? 1774992;1516760921;asciilifeform;lol 1774993;1516760931;mircea_popescu;you never heard the expression "union town" have you 1774994;1516760942;mircea_popescu;by all means alf, go, be cock-tail waitress in vegas!!1 1774995;1516760980;asciilifeform;errything's a uniontown. incl. the sort of programming anybody might actually want to be involved with 1774996;1516761035;mircea_popescu;yes, but that takes skill. waitressing takes a pulse and not oversleeping too often because you whored out / smoked yourself blank the previous night. 1774997;1516761059;mircea_popescu;which is the traditional point of the expression "union town" : a job you ~could~ do, but won't be allowed to. 1774998;1516761080;mircea_popescu;ie, there's two ways to control overabundant supply : through price and through convention. the union is the latter mechanism.\ 1774999;1516761093;asciilifeform;блат aha 1775000;1516761108;asciilifeform;( is there an engl word for it, btw ? ) 1775001;1516761140;mircea_popescu;meanwhile "programming", in the sense (and i quote exactly), "I'm working in corporation in finance and procurement department, so I can sum up my life with : excel, excel, excel, SAP, a little bit more excel" is not actuially a job 90% opf the walkers can do. 1775002;1516761166;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform romanian has it. it's mostly used to denote taking the bus w/o a ticket / going to exam with a cheating mind. 1775003;1516761187;asciilifeform;very diff item 1775004;1516761192;mircea_popescu;yes. 1775005;1516761217;ben_vulpes;subject of controlling supply: https://nypost.com/2018/01/21/police-union-slashes-number-of-get-out-of-jail-free-cards-issued/ 1775006;1516761229;mircea_popescu;heh 1775007;1516761260;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774866 <<< epic. 1775008;1516761260;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 17:53 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774737 << btw, ty ben_vulpes for writing this article. After I get archive .zip delivery up and running I will be taking time to get my castle in order. This will include: 1) learning 'v' 2) get a working trb 3) testing my damn fgs already 4) ffa chapter 1 (at least) 1775009;1516761321;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774869 << no, it's because the boys wanted to grab ass so they introduced the punched card to have a reason to hire a buncha secretaries. 1775010;1516761321;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 17:59 spyked: re naggum article, "programming is both similar and different. whether you are a user or a programmer these days is often hard to tell (this has good qualities to it, too)" <-- this user/programmer dichotomy being a direct consequence of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774116 maybe? ftr, /me started with a microcomputer and first thing he could do with it, by nature, was program it. even if the "program" consisted merely of LOAD "" 1775011;1516761330;mircea_popescu;that's the modern "computer user" : the punchcard girl of ibm days. 1775012;1516761344;mircea_popescu;has nfi what the holes do but can tell you the bell rang at an unexpected time. 1775013;1516761346;mod6;lobbes is doing good things huh 1775014;1516761366;mircea_popescu;mod6 top of the list of potential inductees for this year methinks. 1775015;1516761376;mod6;i like it. pay attention readers. 1775016;1516761485;ben_vulpes;list? 1775017;1516761494;ben_vulpes;he's...it 1775018;1516761530;mircea_popescu;what, no transgendered people ?! 1775019;1516761536;mod6;lmao 1775020;1516761542;mircea_popescu;we gotta have a conversation about gender balance and bias in this republic. 1775021;1516761584;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774880 << communism was harsh but at least it kept the idiots down. 1775022;1516761584;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 18:26 asciilifeform: in su also folx made boxes like this. 1775023;1516762620;shinohai;"Benebit, one of this year’s most hyped ICOs, has pulled an exit scam .... The fraud only came to light after someone noticed that the team photos had been stolen from a school website." 1775024;1516762625;shinohai;ta-da! 1775025;1516762628;mircea_popescu;durr 1775026;1516762681;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774882 << great blog fodder in any case. 1775027;1516762681;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 18:29 spyked should take some photos next time he goes to the faculty; maybe grab some docs for the archaeologists 1775028;1516762751;mircea_popescu;also fyi, "faculty" is how you say the body of teachers, maybe. it dun has the ro meaning at all whatsoever. university would work, campus, whatever. 1775029;1516762844;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774891 << and why is it you don't remember ? 1775030;1516762844;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 18:39 phf: afair though, the subset of commands that we have in vdiff can be reduced to portable awk (i had it working on mac os x), but i don't remember what the necessary changes are. someone mentioned that busybox awk fails.. 1775031;1516762861;asciilifeform;he meant факультет lol 1775032;1516762884;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1775033;1516762893;asciilifeform;in usa that's a 'department' but i hate the wurd 1775034;1516762904;mircea_popescu;yes. and also it's not a proper "going to" anyway. 1775035;1516763020;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774901 << fu, i went to school! 1775036;1516763020;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 19:25 phf: if you're in the first category, you're going to be paid peanuts to do bitch work, if you're in the later category then by 19 (or whatever) "how to pentest career!1" is going to be ~the last fucking question~ you're going to ask a channel full of autodidacts 1775037;1516763071;asciilifeform;btw in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775021 , http://www.deep-shadows.com/hax/wordpress/?page_id=364 << handmade 'soundblaster'-compat 1775038;1516763071;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 02:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774880 << communism was harsh but at least it kept the idiots down. 1775039;1516763117;mircea_popescu;did we do an "ye olde dacs on serial port" thread yet ? 1775040;1516763129;asciilifeform;parallel 1775041;1516763138;asciilifeform;!#s covox 1775042;1516763138;a111;6 results for "covox", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=covox 1775043;1516763142;asciilifeform;yep 1775044;1516763170;mircea_popescu;there we go. 1775045;1516763185;*;asciilifeform still has his somewhere, built inside one of those hardcases vhs tapes sometimes came in 1775046;1516763225;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774899 << the most concerning aspect to my eye is what asciilifeform calls "xp pointism" or whaty was it, basically he's swallowed the oreilly/pmarca hunk of nonsense and is scorting imaginary points "in" an imaginary "community". 1775047;1516763225;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 19:23 trinque: fees have come *way* down. 1775048;1516763261;mircea_popescu;next he'll be going to conferences. 1775049;1516763270;asciilifeform;linked item is notable however because not a covox : it emulates the isa sb, which had a microcontroller, but ~without~ one, with raw ttl fsm 1775050;1516763339;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pointism << depending on age -- curable 1775051;1516763349;asciilifeform;at 19 imho is on the border 1775052;1516763372;mircea_popescu;lotta wasted time. phf has it, where's your edited civ savefiles ffs.\ 1775053;1516763470;asciilifeform;speaking of which, i tried to civ1 on that hp800 box, and it dies with div0 during the intro ( drops to shell, stays in 320*200 tho, and... music -- keeps playing!? somehow! ) 1775054;1516763493;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where's your logline saying "well, of course office drone is going to build by parts, wtf else is he gonna do" 1775055;1516763494;asciilifeform;apparently not ~quite~ 'ibmcompat' 1775056;1516763510;asciilifeform;hm? 1775057;1516763515;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, that actually was a known problem at the time! i REMEBER THIS 1775058;1516763522;asciilifeform;nowai 1775059;1516763525;mircea_popescu;yes wai. 1775060;1516763529;asciilifeform;i never saw... 1775061;1516763541;mircea_popescu;now if only i had a blog from 1993 i could dig in and find what the fix was. 1775062;1516763541;asciilifeform;not even on my shit 'cyrix' 40 1775063;1516763544;mircea_popescu;eventually fixed. 1775064;1516763615;mircea_popescu;but yes it was the damned intro. maybe it comes to me. 1775065;1516763628;asciilifeform;civ1 for me was ~the~ civ. 1775066;1516763710;asciilifeform;i admit, i was tempted, last night, to actually debug the crash 1775067;1516763722;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKsLWiPtSWY << teh english tune was for a while my favourite piece of music. 1775068;1516763732;asciilifeform;then thought 'wtf am i doing, wai' 1775069;1516763733;mircea_popescu;in THAT specific variant, imo it gains a lot from the speaker. 1775070;1516763770;asciilifeform;sounds like roland 1775071;1516763783;mircea_popescu;now i gotta find this. 1775072;1516763839;mircea_popescu;anyway, it was the rondeau by mouret. but it never heard a proper variant played on like yopu klnow, actual fucking musical instruments, that i even half as much liked. 1775073;1516763894;asciilifeform;i liked the 'ru' ( blatant 'дубинушка' ) intro. and ditto 1775074;1516763936;asciilifeform;i never did have a roland tho 1775075;1516763951;mircea_popescu;twasnt the roland, wrong link. the gfx tricked me 1775076;1516764055;*;asciilifeform realizes that he can, more or less, play back whole civ1 soundtrack in his head 1775077;1516764056;phf;that was cm-500, it's got flatter soundbank than mt-32. but to be honest first time i heard either was after i moved to us, and it's frankly weird to hear all those classic tunes in such epic renditions. though i guess soundblaster that everyone had in ru wasn't bad either 1775078;1516764067;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_HZAsa2Sw << thjere, 2mins in 1775079;1516764114;phf;haha, more like it. 1775080;1516764117;mircea_popescu;oya. 1775081;1516764124;asciilifeform;lol pcspeakr civ 1775082;1516764139;mircea_popescu;now this is going to run on loop in my house and the girls will lose their mind and come seek you alf and tear your liver out before your eyes 1775083;1516764155;asciilifeform;i had 'adlib' by the time i got copy of civ 1775084;1516764156;mircea_popescu;which is a fitting fate! 1775085;1516764168;phf;asciilifeform: capitalist! 1775086;1516764173;asciilifeform;it was quite decent on adlib 1775087;1516764175;asciilifeform;lol 1775088;1516764210;asciilifeform;i dun think i ever had a box with vga but not at least an adlib in it 1775089;1516764223;mircea_popescu;i ~never bought sound cards. 1775090;1516764232;mircea_popescu;fuck that, gime one of the vidcards with THREE FANS 1775091;1516764237;mircea_popescu;and TRIPLE AGP SITTINGS! 1775092;1516764255;asciilifeform;lol the box of the era had maybe 1 fan -- in ps 1775093;1516764291;asciilifeform;( i miss how quiet the 486 was , actually ) 1775094;1516764292;mircea_popescu;box of 1 fan in ps era had ega not vga 1775095;1516764339;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVUJjPzRb2U << proper item. much better, utterly no good. 1775096;1516764346;asciilifeform;http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/news/item/445-trident-tvga9000i-3 << 1st vga i had 1775097;1516764367;mircea_popescu;tvga! wtf is that, tandy with serials altered ? 1775098;1516764372;asciilifeform;trident 1775099;1516764379;mircea_popescu;yaok. 1775100;1516764384;asciilifeform;iirc taiwan 1775101;1516764389;mircea_popescu;taiwega. 1775102;1516764412;mircea_popescu;anyway, trident was actually a pretty great maker, in q/$ terms at least. 1775103;1516764446;asciilifeform;cheap and angry, but worked, no obvious flaws 1775104;1516764456;mircea_popescu;aha. 1775105;1516764468;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at hot-stop, http://78.media.tumblr.com/93c4658b3d9e959123aa88d0a7ae1593/tumblr_nqskueE2cZ1ty4k89o1_1280.jpg 1775106;1516764725;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774906 << publish it sometime ; and also since on this trinque i'd like to use whatever wot.deedbot uses to spit the round svg graph to make a "trilema article links" thing. can i get it somewhere ? 1775107;1516764725;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 19:36 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774783 << "org mode", i haven't found else with which to htmlize coad 1775108;1516764827;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774912 << this is so fucking sad... 1775109;1516764827;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 19:47 lobbes: Never once did I encounter "interested in something? Here's how you could keep following that interest" 1775110;1516765009;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774915 << guess how many girls never masturbate to orgasm and in what environments. lack of personal drive ? 1775111;1516765009;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 19:52 phf: i can see the education angle, and how it fails these people, but what i'm surprised about is the lack of personal drive? it's some kind of learned helplessness 1775112;1516765082;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774916 << he has it exactly ; for all the "intrinsic humanity" blah blah, humans are contextual automatons. "it would have never occured me to x" is the most common comment in all natural languages, unvoiced because so fucking trite. 1775113;1516765082;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 19:54 lobbes: It appears such to someone with actual skills such as phf. But for one for whom it is a "well, what else is there?", it seems like the rational move 1775114;1516765291;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774921 << amusingly i read it as a "well, gotta put best foot forward and don best suit", kinda unconvinced of why or what the fuck subjhectively, "but what can you do". which is why i just ignored it, triggered none of my tripwires. while apparently hitting TWO DIFFERENT!!! immune system protein pathways in two different people. 1775115;1516765291;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 20:03 trinque: kid was virtue signaling hard, "am strapping lad, going places!" 1775116;1516765298;mircea_popescu;life's hard, but dangerous. 1775117;1516765368;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774923 << arguably maybe not yet, but in another decade or so it prolly will be. 1775118;1516765368;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 20:04 ben_vulpes: ours mostly 1775119;1516765467;asciilifeform;i found it interesting to consider, why winblowz '0days' exciting to 19yo n00b, but e.g. ffa -- not 1775120;1516765503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no actual math priors. 1775121;1516765514;asciilifeform;not in ffa either, lol 1775122;1516765537;mircea_popescu;oohohohohoh 1775123;1516765540;mircea_popescu;you have no fucking idea! 1775124;1516765540;asciilifeform;it uses... what, 3rd grade maffs 1775125;1516765561;phf;which 3rd grade is that? 1775126;1516765567;asciilifeform;american, even 1775127;1516765603;asciilifeform;( they dun teach longdiv till 3rd here ) 1775128;1516765641;mircea_popescu;you understand, in frege's day "inquiries into the nature of numbers" were VERY uninteresting to kids in teh gymnasium 1775129;1516765661;mircea_popescu;this is not because the notion of number "is light on math -- 3rd grade". but specifically because it is not. nothing odf the fucking sort. 1775130;1516765674;asciilifeform;i'd expect , they were mostly interested in dueling and cards 1775131;1516765681;mircea_popescu;the notion of gravity is not elementary. the notion of magnetism is so fucking elementary it was observed 1k years before electricity and it still lacks a proper model. 1775132;1516765726;asciilifeform;in that sense yea. ffa however is not frege, it is moar al-kwarizmus 1775133;1516765726;mircea_popescu;the notion of number requires a phd. and ffs is more fundamental math than things such as infinitesimal calculus. 1775134;1516765737;mircea_popescu;in fact, it's right in there with n-space extensions. 1775135;1516765749;mircea_popescu;no, it is very much frege. 1775136;1516765755;mircea_popescu;the big question is ~WHAT TO TAKE OUT~. 1775137;1516765770;mircea_popescu;that is always frege. or w/e, spinoza if you prefer, or so on. a whiole school of lens polishers. 1775138;1516765807;mircea_popescu;you are a terrible classifier, you know that ? seriously, ffa, 3rd grade ? what next, telekinesis, preschool ? 1775139;1516765832;asciilifeform;it's arithmetic, lel, not inquiry-into-nature-of-integer 1775140;1516765837;mircea_popescu;it is no such thing. 1775141;1516765839;asciilifeform;at least for civilian 1775142;1516765850;mircea_popescu;it is inquiry into fundamental meaning of algorithmic computation. 1775143;1516765857;asciilifeform;but i can see where mircea_popescu is coming from. 1775144;1516765901;asciilifeform;ftr i do hope it can be made to work on folx who never read frege. 1775145;1516765905;mircea_popescu;what clouds your eyes is the notion that "civillian dun need to understand why, it will work for him". yes, but he has to understand why ~TO USE IT~. see ? 1775146;1516765923;mircea_popescu;otherwise it's just another contortion. 1775147;1516765924;asciilifeform;( ffa , yes, is made to work ~ on people ~ primarily ) 1775148;1516765963;phf;ascii still labours under soviet system: "hygiene is useful, you will also get shot for not doing it" 1775149;1516765972;mircea_popescu;lol. he does, at that. 1775150;1516766018;mircea_popescu;and ffs is more fundamental math than << ffa, obviously. 1775151;1516766031;mircea_popescu;(obviously ?) 1775152;1516766035;asciilifeform;!#s phenolphthalein 1775153;1516766035;a111;0 results for "phenolphthalein", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=phenolphthalein 1775154;1516766039;asciilifeform;grr 1775155;1516766048;asciilifeform;there was an old story... 1775156;1516766055;mircea_popescu;yet another word i knew! 1775157;1516766072;mircea_popescu;!#s fenoftaleina 1775158;1516766072;a111;0 results for "fenoftaleina", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fenoftaleina 1775159;1516766076;mircea_popescu;hm. 1775160;1516766125;asciilifeform;the story where 3yo asciilifeform ate a litmus strip 1775161;1516766135;asciilifeform;from his brother's workbench 1775162;1516766187;asciilifeform;'forgive me, bro' 'hey, i'll forgive, but phenolphthalein won't forgive, prepare to live in the toilet' 1775163;1516766196;mircea_popescu;lol 1775164;1516766205;mircea_popescu;they weren't THAT bad, i ate a few myself. 1775165;1516766208;mircea_popescu;from own bench. 1775166;1516766241;asciilifeform;yea , it... forgave, lel 1775167;1516766260;asciilifeform;but principle -- remains 1775168;1516766269;mircea_popescu;!#s "the stain" 1775169;1516766269;a111;12 results for "\"the stain\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22the%20stain%22 1775170;1516766273;asciilifeform;or hanbot's vignette with the ducks 1775171;1516766280;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1775172;1516766484;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774922 << truthfulyl, it's the fault of the complete disappearance of any kind of approachable useful activity. 1775173;1516766484;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 20:04 trinque: which, it's sorta appropriate for the age. it's frankly someone else's fault the strapping lads aren't being forced into productive activity. 1775174;1516766535;mircea_popescu;ideal humanity would have constructed ladder of pseudouseful ("hey, make your own V!") to support the kids until they grow the fucking graybeard spontaneously on 3xth birthday so they don't go off the deep end as antsy 16yos/26yos with no release 1775175;1516766545;mircea_popescu;but real humanity is approximately speaking antiideal. 1775176;1516766586;mircea_popescu;THIRTEEN was the age of majority for french kinds. by then "they had seen a few wars, fucked a few horses, rode a few women, ready to rule" 1775177;1516766592;mircea_popescu;kings* not kinds. 1775178;1516769363;mircea_popescu;in other news, apparently yahoo owns tumblr ? i had no idea. 1775179;1516769562;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774947 << this is not clearly so. teacher with ruler function was to teach them bravery (more properly, unteach them the innate cowardice of human race). this is subtly different ; there's also a subtle difference between empathy as "capacity to model" and the bare capacity to model as such -- yes the similarity between mouse that loves a mouse and spider that eats a mouse is that they both 1775180;1516769562;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 20:22 phf: trinque: the function used to be performed by a teacher with a ruler 1775181;1516769562;mircea_popescu;can model the behaviour of same mouse. 1775182;1516769582;mircea_popescu;and in other blind trusts, http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgbmggCror1qaj9a3o1_1280.jpg 1775183;1516769767;asciilifeform;woah actually lookable gurl 1775184;1516769775;asciilifeform;neato. 1775185;1516769790;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1774957 << aren't these the shitheads that tried to cozy up in like 2014ish, then obviously swiched ? 1775186;1516769790;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 01:33 ben_vulpes: > Despite this, we remain very optimistic about cryptocurrencies overall 1775187;1516769836;mircea_popescu;or was that square or circle or whatever random word the pantsuit is trying to steal today. 1775188;1516769863;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder the sad strip of land on either side of ocean doesn't consist of idiots running in and out of doors with barrels, trying to steal the sunlight in them. 1775189;1516770372;mod6;asciilifeform: you didn't like this one? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773738 1775190;1516770372;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 02:03 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in thje park, http://78.media.tumblr.com/0088fa380b23340775125404c1ae5a2b/tumblr_oe3yz2YBze1trzasto1_1280.png 1775191;1516770407;asciilifeform;mod6: liked, and almost sure it was in bucharest 1775192;1516770432;mircea_popescu;why, there's many towns all through asia built on tigdic principles. 1775193;1516770504;mod6;asciilifeform: ah. 1775194;1516770544;*;asciilifeform gearing up for ro expedition, salivates like a terminal rotaku 1775195;1516770573;mircea_popescu;are you gonna fuck one this time ? 1775196;1516770605;asciilifeform;dunno, anyffingspossible 1775197;1516770942;*;asciilifeform pulsates on merelt thinkin 'bout going there. 1775198;1516770947;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/O5SxV/?raw=true 1775199;1516770949;asciilifeform;*merelt 1775200;1516770953;mircea_popescu;lol 1775201;1516771042;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'll make this go when i wake up 1775202;1516771050;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775148 , http://78.media.tumblr.com/569f1816bc58143af87d45fa94123524/tumblr_nqttorpij61rbrhnko1_500.gif 1775203;1516771050;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 03:52 phf: ascii still labours under soviet system: "hygiene is useful, you will also get shot for not doing it" 1775204;1516771054;mircea_popescu;aite. 1775205;1516771171;asciilifeform;lemme know meanwhile if params change. i'ma bbl: delirium, bed, etc. 1775206;1516771198;mircea_popescu;nn. 1775207;1516772555;mircea_popescu;in other shit you never heard before, new slut claims to have read the previous month's worth of logs ~last night~. i think i'm moving the bar to "a minimum of 65 years' worth of log reading" on the basis of this one datapoint. 1775208;1516783286;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/and-that-in-the-distance-is-the-ocean/ << Trilema - And that, in the distance, is the ocean... 1775209;1516784738;mircea_popescu;aaaand in other girls in tech, http://78.media.tumblr.com/6b909ee223960e6f7ca211a0ca338f85/tumblr_n91xsvlf151sgft1ao1_500.gif 1775210;1516788105;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1774969 <-- nah, finished just this december and enrolled into ffa class just after. :D thus my earlier http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736817 derping 1775211;1516788105;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 02:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774802 << nah, he got his phd years ago iirc. 1775212;1516788105;a111;Logged on 2017-11-12 23:00 spyked: hi! sorry for the radio silence. I've been working myself out of various irl swamps lately (still in progress). following in read-only mode though. 1775213;1516788169;mircea_popescu;ah 1775214;1516788334;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775009 <-- hah, if this is the reason for the whole "users" thing, then it also explains "ubuntu: linux fo' dat ass"! 1775215;1516788334;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 02:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774869 << no, it's because the boys wanted to grab ass so they introduced the punched card to have a reason to hire a buncha secretaries. 1775216;1516788470;mircea_popescu;word. 1775217;1516788749;spyked;(ftr, /me got his first ubuntu cd "for free" at a "computer conference" mid-2000s; fortunately, his first linux install was a red hat at a now defunct internet cafe in bucharest; to this day I have no idea why they wanted me to install that, 90% of the people went there for "counter strike", the other 10% for diablo 2) 1775218;1516788845;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775028 <-- oops, apologies. e-2nd-l thing. making a mental note. 1775219;1516788845;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 02:59 mircea_popescu: also fyi, "faculty" is how you say the body of teachers, maybe. it dun has the ro meaning at all whatsoever. university would work, campus, whatever. 1775220;1516804945;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QvYdA/?raw=true 1775221;1516804945;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1775222;1516806288;BingoBoingo; in other news, apparently yahoo owns tumblr ? i had no idea. << Happened a while back during the "Yahoo as conduit for funneling money into brands" era 1775223;1516806550;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1775224;1516806558;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11263.32, vol: 14111.24022126 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11260.0, vol: 55991.9773463 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11284.5, vol: 5284.52937027 | Volume-weighted last average: 11262.3388454 1775225;1516813396;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775015 << Though I will warn readers: I am slow.. (but steady). Though the general strategy of "keep snr > 0 and try and learn from my betters" appears to be working 1775226;1516813396;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 02:36 mod6: i like it. pay attention readers. 1775227;1516813402;lobbes;Phunphakt: USGoogle, on a search for "betters" returns the definition along with the classification "dated; humurous" so as to implicitly reinforce "all things equal" mantra 1775228;1516813648;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775207 << impressive. Makes me think about the self-referential nature of logs. As time moves forward, being able to say "I read x unit-of-time worth of logs" will require more and more reading to comprehend same unit-of-time due to growing "webs of threads" 1775229;1516813648;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 05:42 mircea_popescu: in other shit you never heard before, new slut claims to have read the previous month's worth of logs ~last night~. i think i'm moving the bar to "a minimum of 65 years' worth of log reading" on the basis of this one datapoint. 1775230;1516815416;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in campus culture, https://78.media.tumblr.com/eef4ff547fd91b0a05560f02a40ed997/tumblr_nbqin6qpq61sucnx7o1_1280.jpg 1775231;1516815443;mircea_popescu;"here i am with mom and my younger sister -- who will be doing this next year!" 1775232;1516815758;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774416 << email came back, claiming to be from RagnarDanneskjol but "away from my key" so how'm i to know... 1775233;1516815758;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 20:26 asciilifeform: http://armoredco.in links also to various mircea_popescu items, e.g. the airgap article 1775234;1516815888;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ~somebody~ ( him, or whoever pretending to be ) is the lowest possible cheap spammer, attempting cynical grift chiseling off tmsr, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774586 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774590 1775235;1516815888;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 01:41 asciilifeform: studentloanhelp.me also him ? 1775236;1516815888;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 01:42 asciilifeform: and, motherfucker, biffsbets.com . 1775237;1516815941;ben_vulpes;!!up RagnarDanneskjol i don't need anything, wrapping up a tiny mystery 1775238;1516815941;deedbot;RagnarDanneskjol voiced for 30 minutes. 1775239;1516815942;asciilifeform;!#s deedbot.com 1775240;1516815942;a111;12 results for "deedbot.com", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deedbot.com 1775241;1516815945;BingoBoingo;Well, alf did you see the quality of his Chinese gurl interviews 1775242;1516815966;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-05#965855 << lol, confession 1775243;1516815966;a111;Logged on 2015-01-05 10:23 RagnarDanneskjol: i was keeping it at deedbot.com but now thats outdated too 1775244;1516815984;asciilifeform;or was he behind one of the failed attempts at actual deedbot ? 1775245;1516816008;ben_vulpes;i have a vague memory of his pushing some kid to do it? 1775246;1516816011;ben_vulpes;RagnarDanneskjol: ? 1775247;1516816012;BingoBoingo;He may have lined punkman up for it or something 1775248;1516816027;RagnarDanneskjol;Yes, I tried to get a few people to help with deedbot, at pools, etc in the past 1775249;1516816041;asciilifeform;RagnarDanneskjol: 'biffsbets.com', you or not you ? 1775250;1516816046;RagnarDanneskjol;*ATC pool 1775251;1516816058;asciilifeform;RagnarDanneskjol: studentloanhelp.me etc crapola, also you ? 1775252;1516816064;RagnarDanneskjol;I have registered a ton of domains for friends who don't like using Banks over the years. 1775253;1516816079;RagnarDanneskjol;Way to go Inspector Gadget 1775254;1516816089;asciilifeform;faststudentdebtrelief.com ? 1775255;1516816114;asciilifeform;and 'armoredcoin', RagnarDanneskjol , also you ? 1775256;1516816119;RagnarDanneskjol;Yes 1775257;1516816154;asciilifeform;and, srsly, thelogdailyreport.com ? 1775258;1516816167;asciilifeform;#tlogs-themed linkfarm, srsly ? 1775259;1516816281;asciilifeform;soo RagnarDanneskjol , how come you did not come and offer any of us to buy your Team Armoredcoin is proud to release the brave, new AC1 Control Kit 'Woodchipper' - the first auditable production Bitcoin control system available to the public' item ? 1775260;1516816301;asciilifeform;despite the fact that, e.g., 'Armoredcoin is a set of instructions based on the airgap gold standard described by the man himself. Mr. Popescu further delineates boundries separating actual security from security theater' 1775261;1516816309;asciilifeform;and even 'Armoredcoin abides by the 'Seven Laws of Sane Personal Computing'' 1775262;1516816309;asciilifeform;? 1775263;1516816344;asciilifeform;why is THIS -- http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774415 << the first mention of 'armoredcoin' in the logs ? 1775264;1516816344;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 20:24 asciilifeform: in other oddities from asciilifeform's wwwtron referlog : http://armoredcoin.org << anybody here wants to confess to authorship of this ? it claims interop with trb , compliance with asciilifeform's '7laws' , etc 1775265;1516816362;RagnarDanneskjol;Because it was just an idea I started sketching out one night and it wasn't for anyone's consumption or consideration other than myself at this point 1775266;1516816407;asciilifeform;http://armoredco.in/store.html suggests that the product is there, to be ordered 1775267;1516816413;asciilifeform;what would happen if somebody were to order ? 1775268;1516816423;asciilifeform;you will sit down and make it, that evening , RagnarDanneskjol ? 1775269;1516816432;RagnarDanneskjol;Yep that's just a dummy placeholder idea 1775270;1516816432;asciilifeform;what am i missing 1775271;1516816448;asciilifeform;'Available Fall 2017' sounds pretty concrete 1775272;1516816464;asciilifeform;i am disappoint(tm) 1775273;1516816509;RagnarDanneskjol;It's just a model of how I do my own air gap wallet signing and I thought I would build it into something else. No it's not concrete or whatever I'll go ahead and delete all of it right now so you don't have to worry about it. I guess the date was a time frame I wanted to put on myself for some reason. I don't even remember 1775274;1516816524;RagnarDanneskjol;If you'd like to test one of the kits out for yourself I'm happy to send it to you for free 1775275;1516816532;asciilifeform;oh i dun give a rat's arse whether RagnarDanneskjol deletes or not 1775276;1516816532;trinque;and the logs link farm? 1775277;1516816554;trinque;imagine with all the faffing about you did here, you could've done something worthwhile 1775278;1516816558;asciilifeform;trinque: the man has some cheek , neh 1775279;1516816564;RagnarDanneskjol;That was a page where I used to keep all sorts of fabulous links from Qntra, the whet, trilema, etc 1775280;1516816580;RagnarDanneskjol;And then they went away so I stopped 1775281;1516816590;asciilifeform;really, they went away ? 1775282;1516816596;trinque;well, qntra did 1775283;1516816601;RagnarDanneskjol;Again it was only for my own personal reference And archiving purposes. I never shared it with anybody as far as I know 1775284;1516816612;asciilifeform;it's a public www, lol 1775285;1516816618;asciilifeform;and offers paid ad space, last i saw 1775286;1516816624;asciilifeform;nobody took ? pity 1775287;1516816704;RagnarDanneskjol;Yes I keep things on public www so it forces me to maintain and update my content. I think the adspace is just leftover from the template I borrowed from drudgereport 1775288;1516816762;asciilifeform;here's what i dungetatall, RagnarDanneskjol : why you never showed up here with the sane-wallets thing ? there are folx who are interested , could have worked with you 1775289;1516816798;asciilifeform;you could have had an actual product, instead of the empty rubbish www 1775290;1516817029;RagnarDanneskjol;I am just busywith work, often reading the logs in several weeks behind and doing extensive requisite study to actually keep up with you boys. I'm happy to commit some time when it avails.... I've even gone and upset the boss now because I didn't have enough time to train ornamental candidates on VPN/irc stuff 1775291;1516817050;ben_vulpes;i don't see this actually forcing you to maintain and update the content either 1775292;1516817059;asciilifeform;this would appear to be the problem, RagnarDanneskjol , you are apparently unable to distinguish 'ornament' from function 1775293;1516817067;asciilifeform;and this is the charitable interpretation. 1775294;1516817074;RagnarDanneskjol;Oh lord 1775295;1516817153;asciilifeform;Ваше слово, товарищ маузер 1775296;1516817376;asciilifeform;!!rate RagnarDanneskjol -1 Cynical grift disguised as childlike naivete -- or perhaps vice-versa. Admitted to shill work for fraudsters. See also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775249 or inquire within. 1775297;1516817376;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 17:47 asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: 'biffsbets.com', you or not you ? 1775298;1516817379;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ELL2A/?raw=true 1775299;1516817410;asciilifeform;!!v 6C76D3FE7303C32279A3A2B3C4B73E0917942BD733704B98D70C2E1B22D88168 1775300;1516817411;deedbot;asciilifeform rated RagnarDanneskjol -1 << Cynical grift disguised as childlike naivete -- or perhaps vice-versa. Admitted to shill work for fraudsters. See also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775249 or inquire within. 1775301;1516817594;RagnarDanneskjol;Fraudsters? Please clarify 1775302;1516817645;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775252 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775254 , is what exactly. 1775303;1516817645;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 17:47 RagnarDanneskjol: I have registered a ton of domains for friends who don't like using Banks over the years. 1775304;1516817645;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 17:48 asciilifeform: faststudentdebtrelief.com ? 1775305;1516817803;asciilifeform;goodbyte, RagnarDanneskjol . consider doing something constructive with your life. 1775306;1516817815;asciilifeform;*goodbye lel 1775307;1516817909;BingoBoingo;I preferred goodbyte 1775308;1516817950;asciilifeform;badbyte. 1775309;1516817967;shinohai;I guarantee even my financially handicapped self can register a domain right now, no bank needed. 1775310;1516817992;asciilifeform;i dun think i've ever used a bank to pay for a domain reg 1775311;1516818006;mircea_popescu;!#s namesilo 1775312;1516818007;a111;4 results for "namesilo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=namesilo 1775313;1516818009;mircea_popescu;^ recommended. 1775314;1516818069;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you're still missing an address for the dc ; and is that number their actual acct # with their bank or is it some sort of corp registrstration number or what. 1775315;1516818075;mircea_popescu;i never saw bank accts this short. 1775316;1516818089;mircea_popescu;don't they have a fucking iban like sane people in uruguay ? 1775317;1516818192;BingoBoingo;The number following S.A. on the Beneficiario Final is their account number 1775318;1516819102;mircea_popescu;aite, now get an address. like you know, street address. 1775319;1516819254;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775228 << oh, i don't expect she actually understood anything. but hey, youth is the label we put on "i am watching the things go by and i have no idea what;s going on". 1775320;1516819254;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 17:07 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775207 << impressive. Makes me think about the self-referential nature of logs. As time moves forward, being able to say "I read x unit-of-time worth of logs" will require more and more reading to comprehend same unit-of-time due to growing "webs of threads" 1775321;1516819553;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: the street address http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/w4U2U/?raw=true 1775322;1516819566;mircea_popescu;wouldja mind putting it all together into an item plox\ 1775323;1516819573;BingoBoingo;Sure 1775324;1516819668;BingoBoingo;compiling 1775325;1516819775;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "ho-tel, or the cycle of womanhood", http://78.media.tumblr.com/b206f9dd669f1e2c90d80a11adab2d4c/tumblr_mi8atzWTzj1qg3iveo1_1280.jpg 1775326;1516819997;BingoBoingo;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/TLMf6/?raw=true 1775327;1516820008;BingoBoingo;^ wire details and street address 1775328;1516820677;BingoBoingo;And I forgot the amounts in that one 1775329;1516820694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9rvkv/?raw=true hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/if8Zh/?raw=true BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UVfWU/?raw=true 1775330;1516820699;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo myeah. no matter. 1775331;1516820726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it ! 1775332;1516820747;BingoBoingo;gracias 1775333;1516820957;TomServo;https://archive.is/t0xSC << somewhat interesting tale here, featuring 'dark web' drug purchases and murder-for-hire in lieu of a divorce. Also possible parallel construction. 1775334;1516821060;mircea_popescu;http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm << archiving this. 1775335;1516821109;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/O2D7z/?raw=true 1775336;1516821525;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gBVf9/?raw=true asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vTM1b/?raw=true 1775337;1516821811;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hqdXh/?raw=true 1775338;1516821855;mircea_popescu;you know... one of these days, in your good time, you might switch to the new p.bvlupes format... 1775339;1516821922;asciilifeform;lolyea 1775340;1516821926;hanbot;ben vlupes lol 1775341;1516821961;ben_vulpes;it's always lupus 1775342;1516821969;shinohai;Maybe he's a Final Fantasy player 1775343;1516822078;asciilifeform;holyfuq, additiontable 1775344;1516822085;asciilifeform;i should've thought of that!111forffa 1775345;1516822094;mircea_popescu;lol. 1775346;1516822111;mircea_popescu;sorry ben_v, i cauhgt dylsexia from the young sluts. 1775347;1516822129;mircea_popescu;apparently it's transmissible. 1775348;1516822248;ben_vulpes;dylsexia, lol 1775349;1516822261;mircea_popescu;!!rated jcpham 1775350;1516822262;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated jcpham 1 at 2012/09/28 05:08:54 << He was going to get less than a house but more than a car from pirate. Except then he didn't. 1775351;1516822323;mircea_popescu;!!rate jcpham -1 fucktard that showed up early and proved to be useless ; got butthurt over his attempt at paintsuit injection being rebuffed back when i was trying to ROTA, has been hoovering ever since trying to affect the specific sort of libertard aloofness that makes it all okay in their religion. 1775352;1516822325;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1hONv/?raw=true 1775353;1516822373;asciilifeform;zombies rising from graves errywhere today, or wut. 1775354;1516822400;mircea_popescu;eh, the minor disadvantage of lordship, gotta keep public records more or less in shape. 1775355;1516822406;mircea_popescu;!!rated copumpkin 1775356;1516822406;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated copumpkin 1 at 2012/04/01 22:17:41 << Old hand. Long time, no see. 1775357;1516822411;shinohai;NSA Deletes “Honesty” and “Openness” From Core Values <<< kek 1775358;1516822418;asciilifeform;lolwaat 1775359;1516822422;asciilifeform;shinohai: sores? 1775360;1516822438;mircea_popescu;!!rate copumpkin -1 utter pantsuit shithead, willing to cut his own head if that helps pretend everyone's equal. 1775361;1516822440;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yovC9/?raw=true 1775362;1516822447;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/pardon-us/ << Trilema - Pardon Us 1775363;1516822453;shinohai;asciilifeform: http://archive.is/bSa5Y 1775364;1516822507;mircea_popescu;!!ratings mircea_popescu 1775365;1516822508;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HogXn/?raw=true 1775366;1516822573;asciilifeform;shinohai: if gestapo had a www... 1775367;1516822575;mircea_popescu;!!rate covertress -1 mendacious lulzcow, entertained with idle posturing (of the "businesswoman" flavour) sometime in prehistory. 1775368;1516822577;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Tcer5/?raw=true 1775369;1516822688;mircea_popescu;!!unrate RodrigoBTCF 1775370;1516822690;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ESaCa/?raw=true 1775371;1516822699;shinohai;lol I think covertress wound up getting lost at sea, after the switch from ETH to Proof-of-Stake failed spectacularly. 1775372;1516822726;mircea_popescu;heh. do you recall that earlier exact copy, transvestite idiot with "a business" ? 1775373;1516822727;ben_vulpes;shinohai: switch from eth to proof of stake? that's...not parsing over here 1775374;1516822735;mircea_popescu;also launched a coin, was "gonna be ready by xmas" 1775375;1516822744;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "women in tech". 1775376;1516822759;ben_vulpes;i am clearly witless 1775377;1516822783;shinohai;ben_vulpes: She had a clone coin that incorporated "smart contracts" like ETH, it got pwnd twice. So then they totally switched it to a blackcoin clone. Also failed. 1775378;1516822863;ben_vulpes;this is giving me a headache 1775379;1516822949;shinohai;She had a way of instilling those, despite my best efforts at trying to show her the light. 1775380;1516822954;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck i have nigh on 400 ratings, this is unseemly. 1775381;1516822972;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: is teh supernoad 1775382;1516822975;*;mircea_popescu will be stuck spending a whole fucking day managing this mess into a shape 1775383;1516822985;mircea_popescu;very much apologies for the noise ; wut can i do. 1775384;1516823047;mircea_popescu;!!unrate sturles 1775385;1516823049;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bRwSO/?raw=true 1775386;1516823103;mircea_popescu;!!unrate mad7scientist 1775387;1516823106;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pV2xw/?raw=true 1775388;1516823198;mircea_popescu;!!unrate pwrcycle 1775389;1516823201;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hLmtR/?raw=true 1775390;1516823357;mircea_popescu;!!v BBC740DC7F1D8C17617470BC72AC0AA76908E07E25FA92110E99B943AC0FFEBD 1775391;1516823357;deedbot;mircea_popescu unrated pwrcycle. 1775392;1516823372;mircea_popescu;!!unrate random_cat 1775393;1516823374;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RxgOI/?raw=true 1775394;1516823458;mircea_popescu;!!unrate rammerhammer 1775395;1516823461;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TlejB/?raw=true 1775396;1516823564;mircea_popescu;!!rated kreal 1775397;1516823564;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated kreal 2 at 2011/07/26 00:08:44 << bought 60btc via pp, smooth. 1775398;1516823569;mircea_popescu;can you believe this shit ? 1775399;1516823573;mircea_popescu;!!unrate kreal 1775400;1516823576;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J7oL0/?raw=true 1775401;1516823593;mircea_popescu;"i sold 60 btc back in 2011 ; nothing came of me." pshaw. 1775402;1516823796;mircea_popescu;!!rate nanotube -1 took the blue pill at some point prior to the republic, chasing the tenure dream somewhere lost in the imperial wastes. 1775403;1516823798;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Iecnl/?raw=true 1775404;1516823859;mircea_popescu;!!unrate csshih 1775405;1516823861;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LoSyG/?raw=true 1775406;1516824020;*;mircea_popescu plays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIbyWIKbyGo ; "tu stai pe-a ta, eu stau pe-a mea. ramine-asa." tanana. 1775407;1516824052;mircea_popescu;!!unrate sgornick 1775408;1516824054;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9zYdb/?raw=true 1775409;1516824160;mircea_popescu;!!unrate imsaguy 1775410;1516824163;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aqtLq/?raw=true 1775411;1516824260;mircea_popescu;!!unrate trancegeek 1775412;1516824262;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LCCXh/?raw=true 1775413;1516824364;mircea_popescu;!!unrate rawrmage 1775414;1516824366;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/agWVP/?raw=true 1775415;1516824441;mircea_popescu;!!unrate netxshare 1775416;1516824443;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/H3VyB/?raw=true 1775417;1516824460;mircea_popescu;!!unrate ocminer 1775418;1516824463;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pdHNI/?raw=true 1775419;1516824910;mircea_popescu;!!unrate dcash 1775420;1516824913;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/f8qne/?raw=true 1775421;1516824941;mircea_popescu;!!unrate smickles 1775422;1516824944;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QHiqZ/?raw=true 1775423;1516825024;mircea_popescu;!!v 49E6B95BD59BEECBC0C1603914462623AE7D3EE36F5F256A4E01E3AA5C13943B 1775424;1516825024;deedbot;mircea_popescu unrated smickles. 1775425;1516825079;mircea_popescu;!!rate onefixt -1 bought pirate "debt" against protorepublican consensus at the time, went bankrupt for it. there's a lesson in there. 1775426;1516825082;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/skTQX/?raw=true 1775427;1516825105;mircea_popescu;!!unrate arij 1775428;1516825107;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/u3tOx/?raw=true 1775429;1516825142;mircea_popescu;!!unrate btchero 1775430;1516825144;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lXS7t/?raw=true 1775431;1516825202;mircea_popescu;!#s from:Cory 1775432;1516825202;a111;2 results for "from:Cory", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3ACory 1775433;1516825204;mircea_popescu;!!rate cory -1 hovering about since forever, came to nothing to date, and that's all the time he had. 1775434;1516825206;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rJeEL/?raw=true 1775435;1516825404;mircea_popescu;!!unrate guruvan 1775436;1516825406;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DT0KP/?raw=true 1775437;1516825425;mircea_popescu;!!unrate rdponticelli 1775438;1516825427;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LgfLz/?raw=true 1775439;1516825519;mircea_popescu;!!rate dub -1 been around since forever, came to nothing whatsoever. 1775440;1516825521;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rqfcc/?raw=true 1775441;1516825542;mircea_popescu;!!unrate deadweasel 1775442;1516825549;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Oh0Ft/?raw=true 1775443;1516825572;mircea_popescu;!!unrate pochiraccoon 1775444;1516825574;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7d7qb/?raw=true 1775445;1516825583;mircea_popescu;!!unrate fabianb 1775446;1516825585;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wlxf8/?raw=true 1775447;1516826163;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: From the department of books http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vBgLw/?raw=true 1775448;1516826212;mircea_popescu;!!unrate pizzaman1337 1775449;1516826214;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/l1rOk/?raw=true 1775450;1516826236;mircea_popescu;!!rate midnightmagic -1 hovering about since forever, came to nothing to date, and that's all the time he had. 1775451;1516826238;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DM8rd/?raw=true 1775452;1516826248;mircea_popescu;!!unrate bloctoc 1775453;1516826250;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/k0EqV/?raw=true 1775454;1516826372;mircea_popescu;!!rate pankkake -1 random nut, various emotional issues of the cuck variety. 1775455;1516826375;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dDdFg/?raw=true 1775456;1516826418;mircea_popescu;!!unrate leotreasure 1775457;1516826420;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vAjKT/?raw=true 1775458;1516826581;mircea_popescu;!!rate thickasthieves -1 rando with no useful skills and various emotional issues of the cuck variety bonus on the side. 1775459;1516826584;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ux1m6/?raw=true 1775460;1516826612;mircea_popescu;what the fuck am i gonna do about mike_c. 1775461;1516826629;mircea_popescu;yo mike! are you staying or going, wtf is going on, eh. 1775462;1516826649;mircea_popescu;!!unrate saltyspitoon 1775463;1516826652;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Fzzxj/?raw=true 1775464;1516826748;mircea_popescu;!!unrate lampelina 1775465;1516826751;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/C29od/?raw=true 1775466;1516826789;mircea_popescu;!!unrate wywialm 1775467;1516826791;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zyxsT/?raw=true 1775468;1516826871;mircea_popescu;!!rate cazalla 1 ex qntra, meanwhile lost in reproductive ruralia. 1775469;1516826873;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5s8gF/?raw=true 1775470;1516826897;mircea_popescu;!!unrate wao 1775471;1516826899;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mxfiy/?raw=true 1775472;1516827025;mircea_popescu;!#s from:tomservo 1775473;1516827025;a111;0 results for "from:tomservo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Atomservo 1775474;1516827033;mircea_popescu;!#s from:TomServo 1775475;1516827033;a111;1463 results for "from:TomServo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3ATomServo 1775476;1516827058;mircea_popescu;!!rated TomServo 1775477;1516827059;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated TomServo 1 at 2014/04/15 21:39:46 << New blood. 1775478;1516827077;mircea_popescu;TomServo coming or going ? 2014 new blood rating ain't gonna stand as such. 1775479;1516827109;TomServo;mircea_popescu: Been here since 2012 I think, prolly got some more years left. 1775480;1516827121;mircea_popescu;what is your idea of "been here" ?\ 1775481;1516827125;mircea_popescu;!#s from:artifexd 1775482;1516827125;a111;1548 results for "from:artifexd", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aartifexd 1775483;1516827142;mircea_popescu;!!unrate artifexd 1775484;1516827144;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zt7kE/?raw=true 1775485;1516827170;TomServo;Reading logs daily, got my node running. More in time. 1775486;1516827176;mircea_popescu;!!unrate dignork 1775487;1516827178;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gMkej/?raw=true 1775488;1516827184;shinohai;The blood .... it runs deep today. 1775489;1516827196;mircea_popescu;TomServo i guess. 1775490;1516827229;TomServo;mircea_popescu: Next is likely getting a copy of mp-wp up and running, posting some fg test results. 1775491;1516827266;mircea_popescu;what do you do for a living, anyway ? 1775492;1516827276;TomServo;Network "Engineer" 1775493;1516827293;mircea_popescu;so what's with the glacial pace, i dun get it. 1775494;1516827321;mircea_popescu;!!rate fluffypony -1 pleasant enough grifter. 1775495;1516827323;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Vumgw/?raw=true 1775496;1516827348;mircea_popescu;!!unrate los_pantalones 1775497;1516827351;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CMK3O/?raw=true 1775498;1516827379;TomServo;Glacial as far as? Having kids certainly didn't help my pace. 1775499;1516827404;mircea_popescu;" Been here since 2012 I think" <<->> "Next is likely getting a copy of mp-wp up and running, posting some fg test results." 1775500;1516827414;mircea_popescu;what's your definition of glacial ? 1775501;1516827436;ben_vulpes;"faster than geological" 1775502;1516827443;mircea_popescu;!!unrate pierre_rochard -1 promising youth that came to nothing. 1775503;1516827506;TomServo;heh, just recently acquired the fg. Didn't want to start a blog just to emit noise. 1775504;1516827508;mircea_popescu;!!rate pierre_rochard -1 promising youth that came to nothing. 1775505;1516827510;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/whMYS/?raw=true 1775506;1516827522;mircea_popescu;TomServo how is this related to what we're discussing ? 1775507;1516827547;mircea_popescu;coming or going, dood, it's a thing. there's no sitting in the doorway. 1775508;1516827570;mircea_popescu;!!unrate enky 1775509;1516827572;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LSvd2/?raw=true 1775510;1516827573;TomServo;I'ma comin'. 1775511;1516827576;mircea_popescu;aite. 1775512;1516827710;mircea_popescu;!!unrate unbalanced 1775513;1516827713;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FlFqM/?raw=true 1775514;1516827719;mircea_popescu;!!unrate moiety 1775515;1516827721;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ib2ef/?raw=true 1775516;1516827725;mircea_popescu;heh, remember the manul gurl ? 1775517;1516827794;ben_vulpes;aha! 1775518;1516827851;mircea_popescu;!!unrate napedia 1775519;1516827853;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VazOH/?raw=true 1775520;1516827886;mircea_popescu;!!unrate heysteve 1775521;1516827888;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a37fU/?raw=true 1775522;1516828046;mircea_popescu;!!unrate chalbersma 1775523;1516828048;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dBCGW/?raw=true 1775524;1516828058;mircea_popescu;!!unrate juliatourianski_ 1775525;1516828060;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RWokf/?raw=true 1775526;1516828163;mircea_popescu;!!unrate mikayla 1775527;1516828165;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VQ7uE/?raw=true 1775528;1516828177;mircea_popescu;!!unrate bagels7 1775529;1516828179;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/msEDV/?raw=true 1775530;1516828281;mircea_popescu;!!rated rdymac 1775531;1516828282;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated rdymac 1 at 2014/12/07 07:20:01 << electrum web guy. 1775532;1516828287;mircea_popescu;^ imagine that lulz. 1775533;1516828289;mircea_popescu;!!unrate rdymac 1775534;1516828291;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kh3xm/?raw=true 1775535;1516828300;mircea_popescu;!!unrate episking- 1775536;1516828302;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Z0jRa/?raw=true 1775537;1516828496;mircea_popescu;!!unrate jyap 1775538;1516828499;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9YuII/?raw=true 1775539;1516828511;mircea_popescu;!#s from:williamdunne 1775540;1516828511;a111;3311 results for "from:williamdunne", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Awilliamdunne 1775541;1516828527;mircea_popescu;!!unrate williamdunne 1775542;1516828530;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YZll8/?raw=true 1775543;1516828618;mircea_popescu;holy shit halfway omfg send halp. 1775544;1516828746;mircea_popescu;!!unrate teward 1775545;1516828749;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dAy4g/?raw=true 1775546;1516828754;mircea_popescu;!!unrate the_scourge 1775547;1516828756;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WtaEE/?raw=true 1775548;1516828810;mircea_popescu;!!unrate taub 1775549;1516828812;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LHGnk/?raw=true 1775550;1516828819;mircea_popescu;!!unrate newliberty 1775551;1516828822;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XHbyG/?raw=true 1775552;1516828886;mircea_popescu;!!unrate vhost- 1775553;1516828888;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/orKbc/?raw=true 1775554;1516828893;mircea_popescu;!!unrate airgapped 1775555;1516828896;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bm2Ol/?raw=true 1775556;1516828902;mircea_popescu;!!unrate bagehot 1775557;1516828905;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/clqTD/?raw=true 1775558;1516829016;mircea_popescu;!!rate funkenstein_ -1 i can't even recall what exactly he got butthurt over, but has been hoovering ever since trying to affect the specific sort of libertard aloofness that makes it all okay in their religion. 1775559;1516829018;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tEPWk/?raw=true 1775560;1516829048;mircea_popescu;!!rate Chillum -1 could have had, did not, there's no way out of it now. 1775561;1516829051;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oOdMP/?raw=true 1775562;1516829075;mircea_popescu;!!unrate whaack 1775563;1516829077;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kOW1N/?raw=true 1775564;1516829104;*;mircea_popescu waves at mats. 1775565;1516829120;mircea_popescu;!!unrate scoopbot_revived 1775566;1516829123;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XBQfr/?raw=true 1775567;1516829235;mircea_popescu;!!unrate jayk 1775568;1516829238;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bZY7I/?raw=true 1775569;1516829421;mircea_popescu;!!unrate menahem 1775570;1516829423;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Y5976/?raw=true 1775571;1516829441;mircea_popescu;!!unrate thebutterzone 1775572;1516829444;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bPUw5/?raw=true 1775573;1516829472;mircea_popescu;!!rated joecool 1775574;1516829472;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated joecool 1 at 2015/05/07 16:00:17 << Approximately new blood :p 1775575;1516829475;mircea_popescu;yo. coming ? going ? 1775576;1516829487;mircea_popescu;!!unrate SamouraiWallet 1775577;1516829489;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YEGJ6/?raw=true 1775578;1516829509;mircea_popescu;!!unrate justJanne 1775579;1516829512;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2AgMZ/?raw=true 1775580;1516829534;mircea_popescu;!!unrate Jautenim 1775581;1516829536;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kO4Qv/?raw=true 1775582;1516829572;mircea_popescu;!!unrate deedbot- 1775583;1516829574;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wDAAO/?raw=true 1775584;1516829596;ben_vulpes;o.O 1775585;1516829601;ben_vulpes;oh, the other nick 1775586;1516829611;mircea_popescu;ya, ancient arcana. 1775587;1516829613;mircea_popescu;!!unrate Landgull 1775588;1516829615;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FLwcW/?raw=true 1775589;1516829619;trinque;that was before I snagged it from ... RagnarDanneskjol 1775590;1516829621;trinque;iirc 1775591;1516829634;shinohai;lol 1775592;1516829639;trinque;squattin all the names! 1775593;1516829644;mircea_popescu;!!unrate indiancandy1 1775594;1516829647;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/joqXL/?raw=true 1775595;1516829663;asciilifeform;pretty decent pile o'skulls eh 1775596;1516829691;asciilifeform;can't resist adding to it 1775597;1516829749;shinohai;And it's not even March 15th 1775598;1516829802;mircea_popescu;!!unrate Drhelmut 1775599;1516829804;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4RVfE/?raw=true 1775600;1516829820;asciilifeform;!!rate apocalyptic -1 went off to heathendom; apparently it's all the same to him 1775601;1516829822;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FaVU0/?raw=true 1775602;1516829832;mircea_popescu;!!rated gernika 1775603;1516829832;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated gernika 1 at 2015/07/04 18:39:41 << Managed to press 99996 1775604;1516829835;mircea_popescu;imagine. 1775605;1516829838;mircea_popescu;!!unrate gernika 1775606;1516829840;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qb0SC/?raw=true 1775607;1516829849;asciilifeform;!!v A41F575D00583C8C4D6AB249A78FC6B21DF0E6EC5DB09ADB4DFC6E398404A3AB 1775608;1516829849;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of apocalyptic from 2 to -1 << went off to heathendom; apparently it's all the same to him 1775609;1516829868;mircea_popescu;!!unrate hdbuck 1775610;1516829871;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hA2rh/?raw=true 1775611;1516829877;asciilifeform;!!unrate assbot 1775612;1516829879;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wd3De/?raw=true 1775613;1516829895;mircea_popescu;!!unrate solrodar 1775614;1516829897;asciilifeform;!!v 6E539B79FAD1C20AFDBC288D3CC2E6E9D2023545C05D438EB9BF6338B81C5E78 1775615;1516829897;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7QcHg/?raw=true 1775616;1516829897;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated assbot. 1775617;1516829913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shit, give it a minute till i finish, it doesn't do the name per line thing and we'll end up confused. 1775618;1516829924;asciilifeform;actually i think i'm done, mine's smaller by far 1775619;1516829934;mircea_popescu;!!unrate wyrdmantis 1775620;1516829937;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Yg4qb/?raw=true 1775621;1516829956;mircea_popescu;!!unrate moonpunter 1775622;1516829957;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OIzy8/?raw=true 1775623;1516829974;mircea_popescu;!!unrate sexy_saffron 1775624;1516829976;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0FFeY/?raw=true 1775625;1516830000;mircea_popescu;!!unrate VariaVarietatis 1775626;1516830002;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FaU5I/?raw=true 1775627;1516830045;mircea_popescu;!!unrate kdomanski 1775628;1516830047;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VtIB2/?raw=true 1775629;1516830082;mircea_popescu;!!rate psztorc -1 the significant cost of the freedom of choice delusion. 1775630;1516830084;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VSBWi/?raw=true 1775631;1516830109;mircea_popescu;!!rated crescendo 1775632;1516830110;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated crescendo -1 at 2015/09/24 21:29:35 << Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me. 1775633;1516830127;mircea_popescu;anyone recall that ? "o hey, it got gigavps kicked out of bitcoin, but i don't know any history so why the hell not!" 1775634;1516830141;mircea_popescu;!!unrate AgentScully 1775635;1516830143;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uVP31/?raw=true 1775636;1516830179;asciilifeform;wasn't gigavps, on top of this, a tentacle of mtgox ? ( or was that another pseudo-isp derp ) 1775637;1516830240;lobbes;Phew. товарищ маузер has been busy today 1775638;1516830263;asciilifeform;verily 1775639;1516830347;mircea_popescu;lol tov mauser 1775640;1516830366;mircea_popescu;!!unrate gabrielradio 1775641;1516830368;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/khpe9/?raw=true 1775642;1516830389;mircea_popescu;!!unrate Zuardi 1775643;1516830392;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4rWNk/?raw=true 1775644;1516830409;mircea_popescu;!!unrate Cristina 1775645;1516830411;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i9Aru/?raw=true 1775646;1516830436;mircea_popescu;!#s thenewdeal 1775647;1516830436;a111;757 results for "thenewdeal", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thenewdeal 1775648;1516830459;mircea_popescu;yo. coming ? going ? call it. 1775649;1516830471;mircea_popescu;!!unrate linton_s_dawson 1775650;1516830474;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dXYqw/?raw=true 1775651;1516830495;mircea_popescu;!!unrate Atomicat 1775652;1516830497;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AvyhI/?raw=true 1775653;1516830515;mircea_popescu;!!unrate brg444 1775654;1516830517;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dU5FB/?raw=true 1775655;1516830536;mircea_popescu;!#s from:irdial 1775656;1516830536;a111;16 results for "from:irdial", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Airdial 1775657;1516830544;mircea_popescu;listen, twitter makes you dumb. 1775658;1516830555;mircea_popescu;!!rated polarbeard 1775659;1516830556;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated polarbeard 1 at 2016/01/22 17:39:19 << Managed a V press. 1775660;1516830562;mircea_popescu;two years huh. 1775661;1516830569;mircea_popescu;!!unrate topynate 1775662;1516830571;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PlDWi/?raw=true 1775663;1516830591;mircea_popescu;!!unrate maqp 1775664;1516830593;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cy7l7/?raw=true 1775665;1516830640;mircea_popescu;!!rate DicePower -1 tried teh anal child behaviour, didn't do anything for him. by all means, "he just didn't try it the right way", i'm sure. 1775666;1516830642;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fOXBN/?raw=true 1775667;1516830660;mircea_popescu;!!unrate PaulCapestany 1775668;1516830663;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JnA4a/?raw=true 1775669;1516830734;mircea_popescu;dooglus yo, i like you, but at some point you'll have to choose between sticking with the stockholm syndrome and moving on with your life. i'd like to hear it explicitly ; and for that matter so would you. 1775670;1516830767;mircea_popescu;^ dude got raped by the canadian government, who the fuck heard of this nonsense, "you are a respected businessman with a functioning business, here's the petrol" 1775671;1516830779;mircea_popescu;!!unrate mrottenkolber 1775672;1516830781;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9Pi3I/?raw=true 1775673;1516830796;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: proper-rape or 'shown the instruments' ? 1775674;1516830816;mircea_popescu;the latter, at least afail. 1775675;1516830827;asciilifeform;and how did he respond ? 1775676;1516830831;mircea_popescu;he's older and has a lot of that protestant "thou shalt not make a scandal" cockroaches in his head. 1775677;1516830838;asciilifeform;aa hm. 1775678;1516830856;mircea_popescu;orderly wound down. which in itself is a feat in this space. 1775679;1516830911;asciilifeform;possibly protestant-cockroaches, or even possible that it did not pay enough to power his escape 1775680;1516830917;asciilifeform;but i have exactly 0 idea. 1775681;1516830976;mircea_popescu;!!unrate veen 1775682;1516830978;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/h2Bjh/?raw=true 1775683;1516830993;asciilifeform;hey ben_vulpes , wasn't veen one of yer patients ? 1775684;1516830994;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so ? a principle is not "this thing i believe while it pays me to do so" 1775685;1516831018;mircea_popescu;!!unrate Omraphantom 1775686;1516831020;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZpdYz/?raw=true 1775687;1516831055;mircea_popescu;!!unrate skydragon 1775688;1516831057;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qpyMD/?raw=true 1775689;1516831059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly d00d did not trust himself to not even further betray principles when he's in the nato prison and hanging upside down 1775690;1516831065;asciilifeform;but this is speculation. 1775691;1516831079;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: patient? 1775692;1516831085;mircea_popescu;i have no beef. it's what it is. 1775693;1516831101;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have nfi re the relation, but iirc you introduced veen as a meatspace l1 1775694;1516831103;mircea_popescu;!!unrate BenBE 1775695;1516831106;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/k8ggo/?raw=true 1775696;1516831109;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: that is correct 1775697;1516831124;ben_vulpes;he is also in my koch-rsa l1, what of it? 1775698;1516831130;mircea_popescu;!!unrate gizmolearner 1775699;1516831132;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4wNNv/?raw=true 1775700;1516831148;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nuffin, just walking logs as mircea_popescu feeds his blade 1775701;1516831151;mircea_popescu;!!unrate fbar 1775702;1516831154;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Wumiu/?raw=true 1775703;1516831172;mircea_popescu;!!rated herbijudlestoids 1775704;1516831172;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated herbijudlestoids 1 at 2017/06/03 04:25:59 << missed on all the things. 1775705;1516831185;mircea_popescu;yo! MISSING OUT ON ALL THE THINGS! 1775706;1516831203;mircea_popescu;!#s from:erlehmann 1775707;1516831203;a111;1119 results for "from:erlehmann", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aerlehmann 1775708;1516831224;mircea_popescu;!!unrate juantelez 1775709;1516831226;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/blJp6/?raw=true 1775710;1516831292;mircea_popescu;!#s from:sina 1775711;1516831293;a111;1463 results for "from:sina", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Asina 1775712;1516831338;mircea_popescu;!!unrate andreicon 1775713;1516831341;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kXI7H/?raw=true 1775714;1516831359;mircea_popescu;!!unrate floog 1775715;1516831361;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TfAue/?raw=true 1775716;1516831544;mircea_popescu;!!unrate f1maze 1775717;1516831556;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Q1unQ/?raw=true 1775718;1516831578;mircea_popescu;!!rated pa1atine 1775719;1516831578;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated pa1atine 1 at 2017/08/01 22:53:29 << Italian lawyer guy, apparently. 1775720;1516831591;mircea_popescu;!!rated edivad 1775721;1516831591;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated edivad 1 at 2017/08/09 07:21:16 << painter/student 1775722;1516831625;mircea_popescu;!!rated ccmtacks 1775723;1516831626;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated ccmtacks 1 at 2017/10/11 17:10:45 << Internet Marketing kid. 1775724;1516831634;mircea_popescu;aite well, that should be enough for now then! 1775725;1516831639;mircea_popescu;!!ratings mircea_popescu 1775726;1516831640;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FEtzy/?raw=true 1775727;1516831723;mircea_popescu;179, more human. 1775728;1516832231;mircea_popescu;and in other "storage ideas to make the most of your new york apartment", http://78.media.tumblr.com/ff28f8f3c38b47d61f479bac676d0bf0/tumblr_mp7js6U0yU1sxvn8oo1_1280.jpg 1775729;1516832341;mircea_popescu;http://wot.deedbot.org/ << archiving pre-updatew 1775730;1516832390;shinohai;Hey the smiley face turned into cyclops! 1775731;1516832874;mircea_popescu;incidentally, deedbot behaving quite well ounder heavy loads... 1775732;1516833294;shinohai;!!up Tiraspol 1775733;1516833295;deedbot;Tiraspol voiced for 30 minutes. 1775734;1516834240;asciilifeform;!!rate BingoBoingo 4 long history of consistently doing The Right Thing; bisp expeditionary force; inquire within. 1775735;1516834242;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wpkAt/?raw=true 1775736;1516834265;asciilifeform;!!v 559849308838E56C163417CB70FCE4AB5C2FC81BB1B012FBE4B945E1DF339EA2 1775737;1516834265;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 4 << long history of consistently doing The Right Thing; bisp expeditionary force; inquire within. 1775738;1516834376;lobbes;http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.html << for archiving mp's pre-update wot (bot only snarfs specific pages atm, not whole sites) 1775739;1516834378;asciilifeform;!!rate mike_c 1 fg user; tmsr lord in abeyance 1775740;1516834381;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GkPWM/?raw=true 1775741;1516834405;asciilifeform;!!v E69088BB6E2E35D5EE3A34B7B00D43762AD0FDDE335BA3248ED15229DB8857E1 1775742;1516834405;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of mike_c from 4 to 1 << fg user; tmsr lord in abeyance 1775743;1516834626;asciilifeform;!!rate phf 4 ru lisper, bolixologist, philosopher ; http://btcbase.org/patches ; http://btcbase.org/log ; long history of consistently doing The Right Thing, inquire within 1775744;1516834628;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hi26M/?raw=true 1775745;1516834651;asciilifeform;!!v 75974D304DD9BD27DE8D3CBD596496EF4722FA7A232A90C0A0871A5D67AE5BC8 1775746;1516834652;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of phf from 3 to 4 << ru lisper, bolixologist, philosopher ; http://btcbase.org/patches ; http://btcbase.org/log ; long history of consistently doing The Right Thing, inquire within 1775747;1516834861;asciilifeform;!!rate trinque 4 texas lisper; author and operator of deedbot ; experimental vtronics work 1775748;1516834864;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pHCkq/?raw=true 1775749;1516834886;asciilifeform;!!v 7D4B4AC99ABF66456E4F5A1A159693FA9931247D9BB4140E495AD910444A41B0 1775750;1516834886;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of trinque from 2 to 4 << texas lisper; author and operator of deedbot ; experimental vtronics work 1775751;1516834924;asciilifeform;!!rate apeloyee 3 A - N*floor(A*R/4^K) < 2*N and much more, inquire within 1775752;1516834926;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gMKjA/?raw=true 1775753;1516834963;asciilifeform;!!v 4CD0857CF68ED24A865FBF08E43B47D1101D64C665F726E957BB11C9B3E7AA66 1775754;1516834963;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of apeloyee from 2 to 3 << A - N*floor(A*R/4^K) < 2*N and much more, inquire within 1775755;1516835106;asciilifeform;hey trinque -- when's the last time wot.deedbot.org db was regenned ? for instance it still dun show asciilifeform's rating for diana_coman 1775756;1516835265;trinque;runs at UTC midnight, and I may have broken it when I added mircea_popescu's requested vdiff of each svg 1775757;1516835268;trinque;we'll find out in about an hour 1775758;1516835279;asciilifeform;aite 1775759;1516835456;asciilifeform;!!rate danielpbarron 3 operates heathenbux-denominated FUCKGOATS dealership; trb experimenter; history of doing The Right Thing 1775760;1516835458;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YAtVL/?raw=true 1775761;1516835483;asciilifeform;!!v 8C0DDDF5FEF3AC9571146246DFF532AA0A256EFE6566B52B10C938A2E0D64767 1775762;1516835484;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to 3 << operates heathenbux-denominated FUCKGOATS dealership; trb experimenter; history of doing The Right Thing 1775763;1516835564;asciilifeform;!!rated shinohai 1775764;1516835564;deedbot;asciilifeform rated shinohai 1 at 2015/08/01 16:39:32 << therealbitcoin testing 1775765;1516835745;asciilifeform;!!rate shinohai 3 heathendom newsdesk; pogotronics, trb, FG experimenter 1775766;1516835747;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GXB3b/?raw=true 1775767;1516835780;asciilifeform;!!v 980705728BC0A2C34B8C85BF72370D83C87C9F829906067B0A194A5912FE6329 1775768;1516835780;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of shinohai from 1 to 3 << heathendom newsdesk; pogotronics, trb, FG experimenter 1775769;1516836097;asciilifeform;!!rate deedbot 10 exactly as printed on the crate. 1775770;1516836099;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Iec7Q/?raw=true 1775771;1516836137;asciilifeform;!!v 0D8A3AE8350D32C1E08C1694FABFA660F246A0EE38043D02B7897E338EAD8A03 1775772;1516836137;deedbot;asciilifeform rated deedbot 10 << exactly as printed on the crate. 1775773;1516836161;mircea_popescu;in other news, diana_coman now using "faffing about" ; trinque prevails linguistically! 1775774;1516836175;trinque;wahaha. it's good! 1775775;1516836214;mircea_popescu;we got fna, ffa and faff! 1775776;1516836250;ben_vulpes;!#s faffing about 1775777;1516836251;a111;3 results for "faffing about", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=faffing%20about 1775778;1516836374;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775106 << using graphviz, looks like there's a php wrapper sitting in "pear", might be able to be turned into a mp-wp plugin 1775779;1516836374;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 03:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774906 << publish it sometime ; and also since on this trinque i'd like to use whatever wot.deedbot uses to spit the round svg graph to make a "trilema article links" thing. can i get it somewhere ? 1775780;1516836418;mircea_popescu;ah i recall you said 1775781;1516836423;asciilifeform;!!rate Framedragger 1 substantial contributions to phuctor; maintainer of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today logotron; possibly adrift in heathendom 1775782;1516836425;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mj3Oh/?raw=true 1775783;1516836426;trinque;!#s faff 1775784;1516836426;a111;5 results for "faff", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=faff 1775785;1516836431;trinque;^ earlier!!11! 1775786;1516836454;asciilifeform;!!v 60C7969BD6D7B931414AF49CDAC934CEFA922F800AC614150B22BB5E6EB018E6 1775787;1516836455;deedbot;asciilifeform rated Framedragger 1 << substantial contributions to phuctor; maintainer of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today logotron; possibly adrift in heathendom 1775788;1516836473;trinque;oh wait, d'oh, ben_vulpes wins! 1775789;1516836551;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1775790;1516836578;trinque;faffed first 1775791;1516836584;mircea_popescu;o totally, check that out. 1775792;1516836590;mircea_popescu;apparently it only sticks if you tell it to a girl! 1775793;1516836768;mircea_popescu;for the record, i find it impossible to discern sense and nonsense in this dijkstra article, they're so tightly coupled together. 1775794;1516836786;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which one ? 1775795;1516836792;asciilifeform;d00d wrote a megatonne 1775796;1516836803;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/wGl74 1775797;1516836821;mircea_popescu;so, the differential of computing speed and movement speed are not directly comparable as he proposes. 1775798;1516836890;mircea_popescu;there's no substantial difference "that has to be accounted for" between bridging the san francisco bay and bridging the mostly dry three metre wide obscure rivulet in ontario that are due to "hey, 3 degrees of magnitude distance ! 12 degrees of magnitude water debit!!" etcetera nonsense. 1775799;1516836902;mircea_popescu;one's in the winter and the other's in the ocean are the important considerations there. 1775800;1516836932;mircea_popescu;applying the "o noes, computer is much faster now" meme as if it meant something only drives home the nonsensical view that "computer is faster". which it fucking isn't, computer of today is well slower than computer of 1980. 1775801;1516836947;asciilifeform;imho better analogy is what happened to telegraphers. recall the fate of the first transatlantic cable ? 1775802;1516836970;mircea_popescu;this is not an isolated flaw : his notion that "oh, those dumb spanyards who didn't think at university" is a typically ustardian misretelling of counter-imagined history. 1775803;1516836991;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, his nonsensical discussion of radical novelties has one effect and one effect only : to drive the pantsuit narrative. 1775804;1516837006;asciilifeform;the cable was destroyed as a result of a very typically 'anglotard' chain of errors; entirely like the microcomp 1775805;1516837008;mircea_popescu;there is ~something~ there being parasitized by all the nonsense, but it is screamingly NOT what he tries to make it be. 1775806;1516837018;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform go on ? 1775807;1516837122;asciilifeform;cable, at astonishing expense, was laid; and soon afterwards destroyed by overvoltaging. the operators had nfi that impedance exists, 'book larnin'', and were not satisfied with ~1 baud signal rate , upped the volts... 1775808;1516837137;mircea_popescu;yes but how do you conenct this ? 1775809;1516837153;asciilifeform;the 'degrees of magnitude' item 1775810;1516837169;mircea_popescu;ie they expected a continuous process where n osuch thing was available ? 1775811;1516837173;asciilifeform;correct. 1775812;1516837197;mircea_popescu;this is substantially fine ; but as presented it's a jumble of disjoints. resistance of the medium is in there, but not alone. 1775813;1516837202;asciilifeform;entirely different physical effects ( and exacerbated by the pitiful insulation of the period ) over the distance involved. 1775814;1516837235;mircea_popescu;(quite literal example, impedance is the EXACT name of resistance of medium to em ) 1775815;1516837247;asciilifeform;difference in degree becomes a difference in kind. dijkstra imho oughta have mentioned the cable, to stand up his argument 1775816;1516837255;asciilifeform;as it is, there is very little for it in his article to stand up on 1775817;1516837265;mircea_popescu;instead he mentions that some guy said nobody will ever run a 5 second 100m. 1775818;1516837273;mircea_popescu;which is a bizzare choice in all senses. 1775819;1516837321;asciilifeform;with the degree of magnitude faster/more capacitous comp , it is ~stupidity~, in the form of complexicrud, that accumulates fatally. and , worst of all, dijkstra knew this 1775820;1516837326;asciilifeform;showed every symptom of knowing 1775821;1516837336;asciilifeform;but never afaik dared to state the entire case directly. 1775822;1516837339;mircea_popescu;other than saying so and starting a republic. 1775823;1516837343;mircea_popescu;well ? 1775824;1516837401;asciilifeform;errrytime mircea_popescu says this, i find myself trying to picture a pre-bitcoin republic, and end up with mental eggog 1775825;1516837414;mircea_popescu;"how to program if you cannot" is an absolutely fine soundbyte ; and correctly descriptive. but reading the stuff it is mouted in, i can't help but think maybe he meant something entirely else than what it self-evidently means. 1775826;1516837423;asciilifeform;what kind of republic ought e.g. dijkstra to have declared ? a meatspace venetian one ? 1775827;1516837431;mircea_popescu;yes. 1775828;1516837455;mircea_popescu;people have bene FAFFING ABOUT with "bdsm" and "castles in europe" for FIFTY YEARS. 1775829;1516837467;mircea_popescu;dont' give me the "woulda but couldn't". fucktarded bikers had their own republic. 1775830;1516837473;mircea_popescu;where was dijkstra ? 1775831;1516837484;lobbes;http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-23.log.html#t23:05:59 << oh hey. looks like diana_coman actually wins 'faff' title - jan 2016! 1775832;1516837485;lobbesbot;Logged on 2016-01-23 23:05:59: I suppose on really short ones there isn't enough time for all the faffing about anyway; the io thing is 100secs in my books 1775833;1516837490;*;asciilifeform pictures dijkstra on harley 'hog', vroom 1775834;1516837496;mircea_popescu;and WHY NOT ? 1775835;1516837511;mircea_popescu;do you picture him better going to academia in the same continous way, and faffing about "o, radical nvoelties" ? 1775836;1516837517;asciilifeform;old d00d neh 1775837;1516837520;mircea_popescu;really ? where's the disconnect in this brain ? 1775838;1516837526;mircea_popescu;ooooh i see, OLD is it. 1775839;1516837532;mircea_popescu;well, all the things he deplores are also old. 1775840;1516837549;asciilifeform;and likewise all the things he undeplored 1775841;1516837555;asciilifeform;that's what being old does. errything inside is old. 1775842;1516837555;mircea_popescu;here's a newsflash for you : bikers are mostly old. 1775843;1516837580;mircea_popescu;there's no 19yo biker. there's mostly 50-something war veteran. 1775844;1516837599;asciilifeform;the ones seen at parades -- old. but i suspect they dun much vroom, or otherwise the statistic would do its work neh 1775845;1516837612;mircea_popescu;the pic linked at some point, with the two sluts being fucked on bikes in the 60s, was remarkable specifically because those two guys might've been the yhoungest bike owners in history. 1775846;1516837633;*;asciilifeform likes to go to , watch , these parades, they are held every year not so far from where asciilifeform lives 1775847;1516837641;mircea_popescu;lobbes o check that out, she had it all along! 1775848;1516837644;shinohai;In heathendom news: http://archive.is/PKy78 (ty asciilifeform !) 1775849;1516837656;mircea_popescu;i deplore the archeologists of the future ; for whatever they do they shall be wrong. 1775850;1516837712;mircea_popescu;shinohai hey, i spent more on weapons systems than computers this year, for the first time since republic. 1775851;1516837716;asciilifeform;shinohai: lulzy, but seems to be rerun ( or was there a piece recently entirely like this one, but with differently named muppet ) 1775852;1516837720;mircea_popescu;as the saying goes, "and next year -- we launch rockets" 1775853;1516837735;mircea_popescu;either that or jerusalem. something. 1775854;1516837765;shinohai;Well, republic needs missles too. 1775855;1516837788;mircea_popescu;any time they're ready, bring it. 1775856;1516838298;asciilifeform;i suspect that main enemy of mircea_popescu's weapons systems is tropical damp, rust. the other enemy seems to prefer 'soft' liquishit to actual action, for whatever reason. 1775857;1516838892;mircea_popescu;well, you know what the default reason is. "they would, if they dared". 1775858;1516838939;asciilifeform;it never quite made sense to me, from my admittedly distant and dark perch, why lizard hitler ~not~ yet dared. it ain't as if he'd have to eat the lead himself. 1775859;1516838949;asciilifeform;nameless 19yos will eat. 1775860;1516838984;mircea_popescu;will eat my left foot will eat. legions do not cross the rubicon because the "emperor" knows full well they'll join the barbarians the next night. 1775861;1516839010;mircea_popescu;"In what we denote as "primitive societies", the superstition that knowing someone's true name gives you magic power over him is not unusual. We are hardly less primitive: why do we persist here in answering the telephone with the most unhelpful "hello" instead of our name?" << motherfucker. because if we TELL the name instead of hello, we therefore have no resources left to verify whether the other party called us or just ca 1775862;1516839010;mircea_popescu;lled in general. 1775863;1516839014;mircea_popescu;how can he be this fucking stupid ? 1775864;1516839023;*;mircea_popescu closes the page and sets bozo bit on dijkstra. 1775865;1516839075;asciilifeform;fwiw stalin , it is said, greeted with his name. 1775866;1516839088;mircea_popescu;man didn't care. 1775867;1516839100;asciilifeform;( nao on other hand you couldn't simply roto-dial to him ) 1775868;1516839105;mircea_popescu;the discussion here is carried statistically, not "exceptions". i haven't picked up a phone in decades. 1775869;1516839161;asciilifeform;also fwiw ~every spammer i ever heard through a phone, knew my name 1775870;1516839184;asciilifeform;( they traditionally make sure to ) 1775871;1516839186;mircea_popescu;this is a later phase than what he's discussing. 1775872;1516839189;asciilifeform;possibly. 1775873;1516839198;mircea_popescu;well, actually, they risk being shaken down for not doing it. 1775874;1516839253;asciilifeform;there is not so much any more of 'called in general'. tho i do get occasional wardialer to this day. 1775875;1516840521;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1775876;1516840529;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11315.0, vol: 11535.11739505 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11312.0, vol: 43839.56523721 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11315.0, vol: 4237.64486779 | Volume-weighted last average: 11312.7937668 1775877;1516840552;mircea_popescu;!~calc 7150 / 11312.7937668 1775878;1516840553;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 7150 / 11312.7937668 = 0.6320277861851705 1775879;1516840598;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : they're getting $7150, should cover whatever fees / maybe a little leftover. 0.63202778 goes on your books on the right side. 1775880;1516840752;hanbot;despite high volume of high quality lit on V, if i want a frank discussion of just it (technically rather'n politically, if we presume these can be separated, and esp re geneses rather'n patchworx), not crystal clear where i'm going to go --no single exhaustive repository, etc. 1775881;1516840767;asciilifeform;hanbot: ben_vulpes's www 1775882;1516840787;asciilifeform;http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system << item 1775883;1516841043;hanbot;i've read this. 1775884;1516841062;asciilifeform;hanbot: afaik it's still even today the state of the art v-likbez. 1775885;1516841065;ben_vulpes;hanbot: what's it missing, iyo? 1775886;1516841131;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.63202778 1CkK7nVMp9pjZPaDbdPu94hA6B9sqkWx1P 1775887;1516841134;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jrGcG/?raw=true 1775888;1516841242;hanbot;if i want to understand what a genesis is, how it is made, independent of trb, say 1775889;1516841289;ben_vulpes;a genesis is just a vpatch against the null codebase, results in pure additions and antecedents of false throughout. 1775890;1516841310;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i think the q was, whether this is put into writing properly somewhere. 1775891;1516841314;asciilifeform;( other than the l0gz ) 1775892;1516841328;asciilifeform;and afaik the answ is nope 1775893;1516841335;ben_vulpes;i suppose. 1775894;1516841350;asciilifeform;hey hanbot , wanna write the Troo Vtronic Likbez ? 1775895;1516841351;mircea_popescu;the item is actually years old, and in point of fact the semantic content of eg "v" has changed, if subtly, almost each month since then. 1775896;1516841407;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/thread.html#161 << the earliest materials . 1775897;1516841458;mircea_popescu;here's one example : he calls it "the most serene republic of bitcoin", which was the style at the time. but in practice we omit the bitcoin part most often than not don't we. 1775898;1516841480;mircea_popescu;amusingly, sorta how "born in the usa" turned into "made in us" 1775899;1516841689;hanbot;here's an example: i've made a genesis of mp-wp by vdiffing against an empty dir of the same name; this when pressed results in all desired files + copy of each file appended with ".orig". leaving aside that i don't even currently know why the fuck this happened, never seen it before in a press: i don't even know what to point out to ascertain that this is in fact NOT what is supposed to occur! if i was teaching a girl to do it, and she were the 1775900;1516841689;hanbot;inquisitive sort, what would i say? 1775901;1516841740;mircea_popescu;this is a remarkable point. 1775902;1516841758;mircea_popescu;so polarbeard made the patches "wrongly". fine, it happens to be true. how is it verified ? 1775903;1516841802;ben_vulpes;hanbot: pressing into an empty dir? 1775904;1516841808;ben_vulpes;i have never seen this wonder myself 1775905;1516841850;hanbot;not empty, contains v itself, but no other mp-wp files 1775906;1516841857;asciilifeform;hanbot: i'd like to know how you got '.orig'. afaik this only happens when merging is enabled. no vtron i know of , enables it 1775907;1516841872;mircea_popescu;hanbot selfbake vtron or ? 1775908;1516841876;hanbot;mod6's 1775909;1516841891;mircea_popescu;hm 1775910;1516841949;asciilifeform;hanbot: see if you can achieve same barf with my vtron 1775911;1516841964;hanbot;aite 1775912;1516841975;asciilifeform;but more generally the lipstick-on-pig incarnation of 'let's wrap gnupatch/gnudiff' is doomed to be retired 1775913;1516841982;asciilifeform;only a matter of time. 1775914;1516841992;mircea_popescu;what do you mean, phf is alrady retiring it. 1775915;1516841993;asciilifeform;aha 1775916;1516842001;asciilifeform;on one end phf , trinque on other 1775917;1516842011;mircea_popescu;nom nom nom 1775918;1516842038;ben_vulpes;https://media.giphy.com/media/x28cIQSn19Tbi/giphy.gif 1775919;1516842072;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i pictured something moar lumberjacky, with gigantic saw 1775920;1516842089;mircea_popescu;but even if one could say "well,premature to write a v compendium, not yet even stable yet", the greater point remains. there's been a dispute of tabs and spaces in the logs. nowhere else. how would one know to look ? there's been a dispute of alphabets and trees and MANY Things that constitute the "Subtle" in the above "subtle chjanges each month". 1775921;1516842119;mircea_popescu;v is esentially found today as an enchanted castle surrounded by 5000 rakes upon which the prince is welcome to step, and once he stepped he can come to us and by the shape in his forehead we can describe the rake he stepped on. 1775922;1516842127;mircea_popescu;all nice and good, especially if you're not the prince... 1775923;1516842472;*;asciilifeform in the midst of fairly hefty conversion of '5000 log frags' to proper blogotronic text -- in re ffa . but ffa is in this respect substantially simpler item; it is not a mega-mystery how to do arithmetic. 1775924;1516842492;asciilifeform;( fregeism notwithstanding ) 1775925;1516842530;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1775926;1516842686;ben_vulpes;phf: i too have reproduced your vdiff fix for the too many open files, log is at http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQg1z/?raw=true 1775927;1516843196;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775106 << it is an emacs spittoon-strand of some age 1775928;1516843196;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 03:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774906 << publish it sometime ; and also since on this trinque i'd like to use whatever wot.deedbot uses to spit the round svg graph to make a "trilema article links" thing. can i get it somewhere ? 1775929;1516843308;mircea_popescu;sadly. 1775930;1516843330;mircea_popescu;well, at least the demand is explicitly present, better than nothing. 1775931;1516845815;ben_vulpes;hola mats 1775932;1516845818;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/the-scourge-of-abortion-in-equalitarian-cultures << CH - The Scourge of Abortion in Equalitarian Cultures 1775933;1516845890;mats;hello 1775934;1516845975;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yer 'there's a way to go yet' link is borked 1775935;1516846014;shinohai;hai mats wb 1775936;1516846068;ben_vulpes;it's not a ch post without a broken link 1775937;1516846083;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: fixed ty 1775938;1516846166;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes 24th week is not completely arbitrary. 1775939;1516846182;mircea_popescu;this is like saying guillotining the neck rather than the mandible or the shoulderblades is completely arbitrary. 1775940;1516846193;mircea_popescu;it's somewhat arbitrary, but well supported by anatomical accident. 1775941;1516846218;ben_vulpes;why stop in the womb is what i'm driving at 1775942;1516846232;mircea_popescu;yes, i get it, but it's not what you say there! 1775943;1516846255;ben_vulpes;aaah 1775944;1516846260;asciilifeform;i confess that i eggoged on this article 1775945;1516846271;asciilifeform;kept looking for a thesis, and didn't find 1775946;1516846403;ben_vulpes;well i'm terribly outta shape, will spell theses out better 1775947;1516846415;shinohai;I got "we need futurama suicide booths" out of that. 1775948;1516846424;*;mircea_popescu followed a link, ended up on this trilema blog, is reading some holy shit wtf model of insanity is this. 1775949;1516846463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it occurs to me this sexy problem item says what dijkstra was belabouring to say above, except a) correctly and b) fucking briefly. 1775950;1516846573;asciilifeform;iirc it recurred, as 'responsibility triangle' in later thread, and then once again as the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 mega-problem 1775951;1516846573;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox. 1775952;1516846595;mircea_popescu;aha. 1775953;1516846628;asciilifeform;( in detail, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620942 ) 1775954;1516846628;a111;Logged on 2017-03-01 23:26 asciilifeform: what are ~all~ of the places where A has the ecstasy, but B does the laundry, where A!=B 1775955;1516846981;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes check this out, http://trilema.com/2017/the-sexy-problem-formalized/#comment-124338 1775956;1516847012;ben_vulpes;myes? 1775957;1516847018;mircea_popescu;pingbacks. 1775958;1516847029;ben_vulpes;sometimes they even work! 1775959;1516847036;mircea_popescu;ah i thought this is new. 1775960;1516847072;ben_vulpes;they both worked this time, marvel of marvels 1775961;1516847166;shinohai;https://thorncoin.com/ <<< "powered on AWS servers!" 1775962;1516847183;shinohai;My God, I think they are running out of marketing points. 1775963;1516848245;mod6;Evenin' TMSR. 1775964;1516848253;*;mod6 catchs up on megal0g 1775965;1516848267;shinohai;heya mod6 1775966;1516848569;mod6;hey 1775967;1516848578;mod6;i gotta update my wot 1775968;1516848624;mod6;i just about killed myself falling on some blackice in the driveway. 1775969;1516848662;mod6;hanbot: i'd be happy to work with you to figure out whatever went wrong there. 1775970;1516848794;mircea_popescu;gotta pick the ice mod6 ! 1775971;1516848919;shinohai;You can't call it black ice anymore mod6, das racist. 1775972;1516848964;mod6;haha 1775973;1516849027;mod6;ugh. man. this is what they call a 'hurts doughnut' 1775974;1516849188;mod6;where can i get the wp-mp vpathes? 1775975;1516849535;mod6;is this the right thing? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773562 1775976;1516849535;a111;Logged on 2018-01-21 19:23 hanbot: hey shinohai, what is wp-patch2.diff in the mp-wp hosted @ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ? i see no sig, no...from where/whom is it? 1775977;1516849560;mircea_popescu;mod6 if you mean the genesis for it, afaik not yet published 1775978;1516849607;mod6;oh. ok. 1775979;1516849613;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in excellent technique, http://78.media.tumblr.com/4884d0975d67f80a68b4ef12be3437c3/tumblr_nhzhpwnc411u4bvmro1_400.gif 1775980;1516849619;mod6;is that tarball used to just unroll and go then? 1775981;1516849633;mod6;maybe I can try to make a quick genesis of this to see what hanbot is seeing. 1775982;1516849658;mircea_popescu;eh give it a moment prolly. 1775983;1516849739;mod6;sure. np. 1775984;1516850211;mod6;nice recent pics there mircea_popescu 1775985;1516850256;mircea_popescu;aha! 1775986;1516850527;mod6;im not sure if i have a favorite, but those purple leafed plants are really eye catching to me for some reason 1775987;1516850560;mircea_popescu;the fauna here gets preetty crazy 1775988;1516850593;mod6;looks amazing 1775989;1516850630;mod6;ok ibuprofen, do your sutff. 1775990;1516850633;mod6;stuff, too 1775991;1516851000;mircea_popescu;in other fucking lulz of ~no consequence or import, http://www.jenniferalambert.com/ 1775992;1516852988;asciilifeform;dafuq even is that 1775993;1516853287;mircea_popescu;raising servant leaders~! 1775994;1516860009;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775981 >> can grab http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch & http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch.hanbot.sig ; pubkey's on about page if you need it. 1775995;1516860009;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 03:07 mod6: maybe I can try to make a quick genesis of this to see what hanbot is seeing. 1775996;1516860075;hanbot;meanwhile asciilifeform's vtron on hold until i get python on server, nfs apparently eschews 1775997;1516888035;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "societatea civila" ie the 50k or so blue state worshipping orclets left in romania are being publicly humiliated these days, on live television : http://adevarul.ro/news/politica/codrin-Stefanescu-despre-surprizele-noul-guvern-psd-8_5a6852a0df52022f75d04ace/index.html 1775998;1516888062;mircea_popescu;moneyshot : "Pozitiv pentru dvs nu înseamnă pozitiv pentru societatea civilă." 1775999;1516888062;mircea_popescu;"Societatea civilă este partea aia mare din România care ne-a votat şi ne-a dat această împuternicire. Cei de la #rezist, dacă vor să facă un partid unic, cu Kovesi preşedinte, prim-ministru şi împărat, trebuie să vină cu acest program în faţa românilor să-l voteze. Dacă românii vor o ţară cu #rezist, schimbăm şi steagul şi imnul cu #, iar noi ceilalţi ne aplecăm cu respect. Cât nu sunt votaţi şi 1776000;1516888062;mircea_popescu; au 5%, cu tot SRI-ul în spate, cu Coldea cu tot, nu poţi să vii să faci program şi să implementezi nişte idei pentru cealaltă mare majoritate care formează 50% sau 60% şi care a votat." 1776001;1516888112;shinohai;It's official, I cannot make sense of Romanian before coffee. 1776002;1516888242;mircea_popescu;all i can say is http://trilema.com/2016/o-hey-is-it-november-yet/ 1776003;1516888408;mircea_popescu;(kovesi btw, is the http://trilema.com/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up in ro, if it weren't obvious) 1776004;1516888535;mircea_popescu;shinohai basically it's "for as long as your secret service powered nonsense gets 2% of the vote, you can go jump in the lake". the (obviously transparent) implication being that secret services principally exist as usg influence agents these days, and are getting beheaded pretty much everywhere, from myanmar to galicia and from gdansk to bucharest. 1776005;1516888648;shinohai;I like waking up to good news! 1776006;1516888678;mircea_popescu;anyway, fighting the wars of yesterday. used to be, in yonder prehistory before republican times, that secret service ~= victory. 1776007;1516888680;mircea_popescu;these days... heh. 1776008;1516888848;asciilifeform;eh aint the cia torture palace and usg naval base still open there ? 1776009;1516888895;mircea_popescu;naval base certainly. 1776010;1516888931;mircea_popescu;understand how this works : usg comes to buy an apple for $1000 because it imagines it'll pay $1000 to itself and get an apple. then it turns out it can't take the $1000 and gets butthurt. 1776011;1516888938;mircea_popescu;same deal everywhere. 1776012;1516889062;mircea_popescu;"oh, corrupt politicians & terrorists stole our moneyz" and so on. 1776013;1516889250;asciilifeform;followed by ukrization aha 1776014;1516889391;mircea_popescu;conceivably. there's a few options : ukraine went one way ; turkey went another way ; and greece went yet a third way. 1776015;1516889448;mircea_popescu;whether "a nation" is actually unfit to exist, rather a political figment than a substantial thing ; or on the contrary quite apt to live and thrive and with things yet to say ; or finally long exhausted and entirely dedicated by now to programatic laziness and the comfort seeking of senescence is an open problem 1776016;1516889472;mircea_popescu;but to be resolved by the group in question, neither i nor putin nor whatever papie mache in washington is going to decide this for them. 1776017;1516889538;asciilifeform;i meant attempted ukrization, rather than necessarily that particular result. but yes 1776018;1516889569;mircea_popescu;well sure. as you sit there right now typing at me, mosquitoes try to mosquitoize you, staph tries to staph you and so on. 1776019;1516889600;asciilifeform;aha 1776020;1516889618;mircea_popescu;i do not expect us army could actually come out of a field encounter with ro army as things stand right now ; but then again http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775860 1776021;1516889618;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 00:09 mircea_popescu: will eat my left foot will eat. legions do not cross the rubicon because the "emperor" knows full well they'll join the barbarians the next night. 1776022;1516889682;mircea_popescu;(the sheer ridoinculousness of this, where usg has managed to recrearte for it in 2018 the situation of thje ottoman empire in 1878 is something everyone's quite pointedly invited to meditate upon. PANTSUITISM DOES NOT WORK, and stop asking women. anything.) 1776023;1516889738;mircea_popescu;america was built by men who did not ask women, anything, and ruined by boys who did. 1776024;1516891076;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775879 << Gracias, it is in the ledger. 1776025;1516891076;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 00:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : they're getting $7150, should cover whatever fees / maybe a little leftover. 0.63202778 goes on your books on the right side. 1776026;1516891140;mircea_popescu;done with teh local tradings ? 1776027;1516891165;BingoBoingo; here's one example : he calls it "the most serene republic of bitcoin", which was the style at the time. but in practice we omit the bitcoin part most often than not don't we. << If I recall there was a moment somewhere involving miner retardation where there was a discussion of the necessary subordination of Bitcoin to the Republic. Bitcoin's need of a republic is not necessarily reciprocated and all. 1776028;1516891203;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Lining some more up over the weekend. 1776029;1516891225;mircea_popescu;cool, make a post when they're all done. 1776030;1516891242;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo something like that yeah. 1776031;1516891342;BingoBoingo;After the first, figured a short wait after the first trade would be a test of gossip speed. Curious if news of a gringo spreads and all. Or if they have a club, etc. 1776032;1516891366;mircea_popescu;sure. 1776033;1516891500;diana_coman;ugh, that codrin stefanescu was at some point with glorious ideas ~="all I care about is that my family is doing well, the rest doesn't matter" 1776034;1516891665;diana_coman;I guess that might make him more sincere than the others but not in any discernible way a better option as far as I can see 1776035;1516891702;mircea_popescu;comes from vadim's corner, at that. 1776036;1516891768;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm not proposing here that romania is somehow respectable or has a clue ; or that X random dork is my butt buddy now. all i'm saying is, "look yonder in the reservation for mongoloids of this particular orc breed, the pantsuit kid is getting his head punched in!" 1776037;1516892102;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Np6fj/?raw=true 1776038;1516894089;mircea_popescu;sooo i just discovered i somehow am missing tyhe images in http://trilema.com/2015/fuck-you-and-your-stupid-epub-also-david-thornes-2nd-book-it-isnt-really-very-good/ ?! 1776039;1516894105;mircea_popescu;plox if anyone ever notices missing images / broken links / whatever in trilema say something, this isn't supposed to occur. 1776040;1516894122;*;mircea_popescu now gets to spend whole morning as best case scenario figuring out what the holy shit happened. 1776041;1516894139;shinohai;lol mircea_popescu ... broken image link goes to an article!!!! http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/image074.jpeg 1776042;1516894177;shinohai;Or does it just redirect to random article when item isn't found? 1776043;1516894244;mircea_popescu;soft 404s yes 1776044;1516894434;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775994 << thanks hanbot. I'll grab this and try to press with it starting with version 99994. We'll see what happens. If all is well, then will also try version 99993. 1776045;1516894434;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 06:00 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775981 >> can grab http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch & http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch.hanbot.sig ; pubkey's on about page if you need it. 1776046;1516894639;mod6;lol 'testickle' 1776047;1516894679;mircea_popescu;hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/trYpV/?raw=true asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/C4Fs0/?raw=true 1776048;1516894899;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/25/eucrypt-chapter-7-keccak-sponge/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 7: Keccak Sponge 1776049;1516894935;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it; worx! 1776050;1516894943;asciilifeform;and np. 1776051;1516894961;spyked;mircea_popescu: sent a couple of pingbacks to trilema, seems to have worked (though I don't see them, it might be that they're currently in the moderation queue). output and script at http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LZVEr/?raw=true lemme know if they show up anywhere in your wp 1776052;1516894971;diana_coman;phf, the newly published chapter 7 in eucrypt is the keccak sponge but it turns out that I'll still change it from inside out for next week 1776053;1516895003;diana_coman;the trouble with current version is that it's still messed up by endianness (the keccak constants are 64 bit *values* rather than bit streams) 1776054;1516895063;mircea_popescu;spyked all good. 1776055;1516895164;asciilifeform;diana_coman: waitasec : what makes you think that your keccak is sensitive to endianness ? 1776056;1516895169;diana_coman;next week's version of the sponge will be changed so that it works at bit level *everywhere*, idiotic constants included 1776057;1516895178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the damned constants 1776058;1516895186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is not necessarily so 1776059;1516895190;diana_coman;asciilifeform, constants are stored as numbers on 64 bits at the moment 1776060;1516895190;mircea_popescu;but it could be. 1776061;1516895205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, diana_coman : if you don't byte-address, it does not matter whether you use constants, you are not endian-sensitive 1776062;1516895207;diana_coman;I will just store them as array of bits 1776063;1516895225;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform look, she dun sleep well and i can see why not. 1776064;1516895233;mircea_popescu;you end up with a rotated octet you're fucked. 1776065;1516895242;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is important to grasp what endiannessism IS 1776066;1516895248;diana_coman;asciilifeform, hm, that was my initial approach: as long as all of them are stored same endianness theoretically the bits fit correctly 1776067;1516895261;asciilifeform;diana_coman: endianism only comes into play if you address individual bytes 1776068;1516895272;mircea_popescu;ti si mioptrna t for the fucking idiocy to not exist in the first place 1776069;1516895295;mircea_popescu;because "important " != "mioptrna t". 1776070;1516895312;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to make it unexist, gotta understand what it is 1776071;1516895317;diana_coman;but I admit I am not 100% at ease that all the scramblings result in same thing; and moreover yes, I don't see the reason WHY it should be there 1776072;1516895331;mircea_popescu;i am of a very good mind to forbid non-concepts like "byte" in computing in the first place. 1776073;1516895336;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this part i cannot cure , hashing as it stands is an exercise in voodoo 1776074;1516895390;mircea_popescu;it turns out, check this inept shit out, IT TURNS OUT that the ACTUAL REASON why "characters are not bytes" is actually and in point of fact BECAUSE BYTES ARENT ANYTHING. 1776075;1516895394;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the basic problem of 'how wide apart the rails on the railroad' doesn't go away , regardless of what you set the knobs to 1776076;1516895405;mircea_popescu;fuck that. i do not set any knobs or put them in. 1776077;1516895432;mircea_popescu;there will be a bit and not more. the possibility of " and a machine word = bus size" went away when they failed to implement it correctly. 1776078;1516895460;asciilifeform;aite, mircea_popescu gets a 1bit bus and 4096b rsa op takes 25 years. 1776079;1516895470;mircea_popescu;fine, 1776080;1516895505;mircea_popescu;but in practice, it turns out i get ffa and other things, because my friends love me even more than i love myself. 1776081;1516895521;asciilifeform;before we start feeding asciilifeform's machine arch crackpotteries again ( he dun mind at all..) let's determine whether diana_coman actually has an endianism problem ? 1776082;1516895535;mircea_popescu;diana_coman doesn't know that she doesn't have one. 1776083;1516895540;diana_coman;^^^^ 1776084;1516895540;asciilifeform;same thing neh 1776085;1516895545;mircea_popescu;neh. 1776086;1516895550;diana_coman;not quite same thing, no 1776087;1516895551;asciilifeform;worse, even 1776088;1516895598;asciilifeform;i'ma read diana_coman's proggy and come back . 1776089;1516896093;asciilifeform;diana_coman: BitsToWord and WordToBits are not endianism-sensitive. 1776090;1516896108;diana_coman;I know, I wrote them to not be 1776091;1516896121;asciilifeform;i'm still looking for what is 1776092;1516896281;asciilifeform;diana_coman: is your current hypothesis that the iota operator is endianized ? 1776093;1516896360;diana_coman;if I understand correctly what you mean by that, yes; basically to start with: I'm not sure that a. as it currently stands you'll get same hash for same input on little vs big endian 1776094;1516896403;diana_coman;b. input is a stream of bits; depending on whether you consider that big/little, it will go to different bits of the state 1776095;1516896421;diana_coman;scrambling happens (at least in my mind) at bit level 1776096;1516896464;asciilifeform;diana_coman: as your proggy is currently written, it is only sensitive to endianism mismatch between the inputs and the endianism of the machine on which your proggy was built ( i.e. in which the round constants are stored ). this is not curable at the program level . 1776097;1516896483;asciilifeform;because of the way keccak is defined, the input is operated on wordwise 1776098;1516896511;asciilifeform;nao you could try to derive a keccak' , where it aint.. 1776099;1516896540;asciilifeform;sorta like how ffacalc works ( observe that it does exactly same thing on all possible endianisms , even 'middle endian' ( yes exists )) 1776100;1516896559;diana_coman;that's how it should be! 1776101;1516896580;asciilifeform;nao diana_coman knows why asciilifeform favours crackpotteries like numbertheoretical hashing etc. 1776102;1516896600;diana_coman;and I don't quite see why wouldn't keccak operate on input bitwise 1776103;1516896617;asciilifeform;cuz slow 1776104;1516896629;diana_coman;hm 1776105;1516896684;asciilifeform;( it was written, recall, not in empty space but for usg's contest. and 1 of the demands was 'not much slower than older hashes' ) 1776106;1516896785;asciilifeform;diana_coman: all of this being said, if you can guarantee that the endianism of the input matches the endianism of the roundconstants -- you get correct answer. otherwise not. 1776107;1516896800;diana_coman;myeah 1776108;1516896827;asciilifeform;this problem was a serious headache for the tcp/ip people, they solved it mircea_popescu-style, 'fuckyou and errything going over the wire is to be bigendian' (at the time, bigendianism dominated in 'serious' iron) 1776109;1516896839;asciilifeform;!~google network byte order 1776110;1516896840;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Endianness - Wikipedia: ; Network byte order and host byte order - IBM: ; Unix Socket Network Byte Orders - TutorialsPoint: 1776111;1516896848;diana_coman;I suppose the "patch" would be to check endianism at runtime and use the correct constants as it were; I ...still don't see why should I have endianism in there to start with 1776112;1516896852;asciilifeform;ugh shitgoogle as usual 1776113;1516896871;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you can't 'check endianism', you gotta know from where the input came to know its endianism 1776114;1516896885;asciilifeform;endianism is not an attribute discernible from a pile of bits 1776115;1516896890;diana_coman;ah, of input, right 1776116;1516896892;asciilifeform;aha. 1776117;1516896945;asciilifeform;what you can do, is either a) operate bitwise, ffa-style. b) mandate an endianism for the data format. and since you know the endianism of the machine you're building on, in particular build, you know whether the machine's is opposite or same as the data's. 1776118;1516896968;asciilifeform;so in b) you either flip ( opposites ) endiannesses of all inputs, or not flip ( same endianness ). 1776119;1516896981;mircea_popescu;so we end up with a make that alters code ? 1776120;1516896982;asciilifeform;this is how the problem is traditionally solved. 1776121;1516896987;mircea_popescu;this is a gate that dun belong open. 1776122;1516897011;mircea_popescu;"here's the source ; check to see it is correct ; and here's how your builder will fuck it up for you by replacing constants" 1776123;1516897014;mircea_popescu;holy hell what! 1776124;1516897014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually no 1776125;1516897019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_rm/Effect-of-Bit_005fOrder-on-Byte-Ordering.html 1776126;1516897042;asciilifeform;( tldr : ada tells you the endianism of the box you're on ) 1776127;1516897062;mircea_popescu;portably and certainly ? 1776128;1516897062;diana_coman;this is why I said earlier "check endianism at runtime" because yes, in ada you can get that 1776129;1516897068;diana_coman;but "In this section we will review the effect of the Bit_Order attribute definition clause on byte ordering. Briefly, it has no effect at all, but a detailed example will be helpful" this is gold 1776130;1516897071;asciilifeform;( and if it didn't -- it ain't hard to determine it mechanically . i will leave it as exercise how ) 1776131;1516897080;mircea_popescu;otherwise you could just check to see if 0F is smaller or larger than F0 obviously 1776132;1516897089;asciilifeform;endianism dun exist inside byte lol 1776133;1516897103;mircea_popescu;o good grief. must i include all the 0s ? 1776134;1516897105;asciilifeform;it exists as order in which bytes inside word appear 1776135;1516897110;asciilifeform;but i think mircea_popescu gets it 1776136;1516897116;diana_coman;trouble is ...why is it worth having this headache to start with 1776137;1516897124;asciilifeform;and yes the Bit_Order thing works, all kinds stuff would immediately liquify if it didn't 1776138;1516897139;mircea_popescu;o hey, i hadn't noticed that they DIDNT LIQUIFY 1776139;1516897149;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not in ada planet. 1776140;1516897167;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the short version is that the cpu is a physical object. this is an eternal and incurable headache for programmerz, yes 1776141;1516897169;mircea_popescu;well in any case, there's a week to sort this mess out. 1776142;1516897201;asciilifeform;i described the two known pills ( without endorsing a particular one ) against endianism. afaik there is not a third. 1776143;1516897209;asciilifeform;( other than to bake own iron with 1bit busses etc ) 1776144;1516897247;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i would right now like to, for a great piece i'm writing, link to "The choice of Ada as programming language for this implementation" specifically out of all http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/25/eucrypt-chapter-7-keccak-sponge/ because that's the sort of fine tuned context linkage i use. wut do ? 1776145;1516897288;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ugh, I'll have to put in those link for selection, won't I 1776146;1516897304;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't go so far as have to, but it is a fact it'd help me in this point. 1776147;1516897310;asciilifeform;btw, 1776148;1516897318;asciilifeform;' for Data'Bit_Order use High_Order_First; 1776149;1516897318;asciilifeform;and the effect is what is desired, namely the layout is exactly the same, independent of whether the code is compiled on a big-endian or little-endian machine. ' 1776150;1516897328;asciilifeform;( i recommend to diana_coman and even to mircea_popescu to read the linked doc ) 1776151;1516897350;*;diana_coman will read; and then re-read 1776152;1516897436;asciilifeform;btw iirc trinque has a bigendian machine with a working gnat. 1776153;1516897447;asciilifeform;for answering mircea_popescu's 'but does it actually work' . 1776154;1516897493;asciilifeform;( attach a dynamo to dijkstra's corpse prior to testing, yes 'oughta tell From First Principles!111' ) 1776155;1516897796;mircea_popescu;wait wait, i might have a pill 1776156;1516897819;mircea_popescu;we could actually declare big endian notation to be WRONG, on the grounds it's inconsistent. 1776157;1516897831;*;asciilifeform was waiting for this 1776158;1516897922;asciilifeform;possibly worth reviewing why people even came up with bigendianism. it was partly from 'can test sign bit by looking at zeroth byte' , and partly the ben_vulpes ( from #trilema-mod6 log linked 2d ago ) problem -- 'let's store words in the order in which they get printed' 1776159;1516897926;mod6;hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HrKA1/?raw=true << Here is what I know, for now. There are some comments at the bottom. 1776160;1516897948;mircea_popescu;to make the full argument here in plain text : 1776161;1516897993;ben_vulpes;mod6: magic strings in the b64! 1776162;1516898016;mod6;what's weird is that it actually output that in the pressed file. 1776163;1516898051;mod6;something strange is happening. 1776164;1516898076;ben_vulpes;did it also crap out hanbot's .orig files? 1776165;1516898077;hanbot;mod6 thanks very much for looking --that error was 2nd headscratcher for me. phf's vdiff.sh was used to make this, fwiw 1776166;1516898087;mircea_popescu;big endianism is the proposition of taking a pile of bits, and sorting them such that they representing larger powers of two are later than those representing smaller powers of two ; but only for chunks of bits of an arbitrary lengths ; chunks longer are ordered in ~the contrary fashion~, so ab is to be ordered as ba by this scheme, but abcd is to be ordered as badc. 1776167;1516898185;mircea_popescu;because it rotates this way it is therefore not a valid encoding and case closed. 1776168;1516898234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'philosophically consistent' ( hey kurchatov! ) method is: little-endianism . but with it, you're stuck loading a whole parcel to test its sign bit ( i dun give a fuck, personally , on modern iron ) but -- unless yer an arab -- flipping words prior to printing , in the civilized style, left to right 1776169;1516898251;mod6;ben_vulpes: yes, i found this one in the genesis: +(function(A){A.widget("ui.draggable",A.extend({},A.ui.mouse,{init:function(){var B=t 1776170;1516898257;mod6;crap, ignore that' 1776171;1516898275;mod6;this: diff -uNr a/mpwp/blog/wp-comments-post.php.orig b/mpwp/blog/wp-comments-post.php.orig 1776172;1516898287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't understand the argument. so you write left to right, so what does this say ? 1776173;1516898292;asciilifeform;i'll confess , i'm with mircea_popescu on this one, how much time is spent printing and testing sign bits ? 1776174;1516898304;hanbot;mod6 there should be one orig, is in the mp-wp i was handed 1776175;1516898325;hanbot;the issue i had yest was *all* files got a copy named filename.orig 1776176;1516898326;mod6;hanbot: ok. let me take a look here... 1776177;1516898329;mircea_popescu;the whole edifice is rotten. special order ? if they wanted this SHOULD HAVE CHANGED THE SIGN BIT POSITION OMFG 1776178;1516898365;mircea_popescu;diana_coman http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/ ftr. 1776179;1516898388;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd like to see your algo for 2s-complement add/sub for a hypothetical box where sign bit is not the senior bit 1776180;1516898400;asciilifeform;( it ain't impossible. but i can't immediately think of an economical method ) 1776181;1516898419;mod6;hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t0piX/?raw=true << looks that way -- however, keep in mind the entire press did not finish, so hard to say that there couln't have been more if something else wouldn't have puked from hunks or whatever. 1776182;1516898432;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do it shift two and carry the last bit adequately ? 1776183;1516898451;asciilifeform;on every word access ?! 1776184;1516898463;mircea_popescu;on every add. what, the cost of the shift is the issue here ? 1776185;1516898469;asciilifeform;it does cost. 1776186;1516898478;mircea_popescu;i do noit dispute it does cost, but so does this other isnanity. 1776187;1516898479;asciilifeform;errything -- costs. 1776188;1516898522;mircea_popescu;if there were a costless thing, by all means. but "between saving for six months to afford the thing i need and "buying" this other thing i don't need on easy rates i choose the former" though ?! 1776189;1516898525;asciilifeform;i dun actually disagree with mircea_popescu : i never liked bigendianism . but it did come from a particular cost analysis , ftr. 1776190;1516898540;mircea_popescu;show me where this cost analysis is published. 1776191;1516898545;hanbot;mod6 yeah, makes sense 1776192;1516898552;mircea_popescu;because afaik this is a whisperer's product and it THEREFORE carries no weight. 1776193;1516898582;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i hatetobreakittoya, but WHOLE FUCKING pseudoengineering kompyooting thing, is 'whisperproduct' 1776194;1516898598;mircea_popescu;awww. so that means i can say whatever and nobody has any ground to stand on and argue "his" way ? 1776195;1516898606;mircea_popescu;such a disadvantage this puts me at, seriously! 1776196;1516898626;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and most of the knob params are of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775939 kind. 1776197;1516898626;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 02:09 mircea_popescu: this is like saying guillotining the neck rather than the mandible or the shoulderblades is completely arbitrary. 1776198;1516898634;mircea_popescu;how i regret it! every day i mourn it! they wounded me so very deeply, these idiots, with their idiotic misbehaviour! to the very core of my being i suffer for their failure to have ammounted to a hill of beans! 1776199;1516898823;asciilifeform;btw arm and mips have toggles for endianism 1776200;1516898942;asciilifeform;( further reading for aficionados : http://www.yarchive.net/comp/endian.html , http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/bitfields.html ) 1776201;1516899152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re the 'guillotine neck vs mandible', if it ain't obvious, i'll spell it out ftr : bigendian nums look 'ffaistic' when hexdumped, i.e. correct . littleendian -- you gotta mentally flip'em. 1776202;1516899175;asciilifeform;whether this matters, is obviously arbitrary q. 1776203;1516899176;mircea_popescu;show me this ? 1776204;1516899181;asciilifeform;aite, let's: 1776205;1516899221;*;asciilifeform preparing snippet, brb 1776206;1516899536;asciilifeform;ok, here goeth : 1776207;1516899550;asciilifeform;#include 1776208;1516899550;asciilifeform;void main() { 1776209;1516899550;asciilifeform; int i = 0x01234567; 1776210;1516899550;asciilifeform; fwrite(&i, sizeof(i), 1, stdout); 1776211;1516899551;asciilifeform;} 1776212;1516899585;asciilifeform;gcc -o endian thisitem.c 1776213;1516899599;asciilifeform;and afterwards, ./endian | hexdump -C 1776214;1516899610;asciilifeform;try this on littleendian and bigendian box. 1776215;1516899649;asciilifeform;try likewise with 'long' instead of 'int', to see effect on 64bit parcel 1776216;1516899663;asciilifeform;i'll spoil it for littleendian : 1776217;1516899673;asciilifeform;67 45 23 01 1776218;1516900032;mircea_popescu;right. 1776219;1516900049;mircea_popescu;the other one does ~this same thing~ but ~to the machine~. 1776220;1516900062;asciilifeform;aha!! 1776221;1516900069;mircea_popescu;well... 1776222;1516900091;mircea_popescu;this is back to the glyphs discussion all over again. "fix your printer!" 1776223;1516900092;asciilifeform;if we wrote like arabs, there've been no controversy, i bet 1776224;1516900106;asciilifeform;*there'dve been 1776225;1516900110;mircea_popescu;poor arabs, they invented all this shit, we ran with it with our inept ways and nearly fucked it into the ground 1776226;1516900115;asciilifeform;more or less. 1776227;1516900124;mircea_popescu;and somehow THEY'RE supposed to be the uncivilised orcs. 1776228;1516900134;asciilifeform;the sad part re inventing things. 1776229;1516900187;asciilifeform;fwiw the deep historicalcrackpots seem to think it wasn't even arabs, but the now-vanished aryans or whoever. 1776230;1516900203;asciilifeform;but the point stands. 1776231;1516900243;mircea_popescu;twas the arabs, they got 0 from india and it sparked. 1776232;1516900256;mircea_popescu;much like xtians got gunpowder from china and it sparked. 1776233;1516900264;*;asciilifeform has nfi 1776234;1516900286;mircea_popescu;(steam engine existed because metalworking, and the metalworking involved exists because cannons. industrial revolution is the result of having stolen gunpowder.) 1776235;1516900289;asciilifeform;oh hah i misparsed 'got 0' lol 1776236;1516900314;asciilifeform;but yes 1776237;1516900612;hanbot;mircea_popescu: hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/trYpV/?raw=true << got it; no matches 1776238;1516901000;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-11#1234154 << this is such an epic tidbit btw... 1776239;1516901000;a111;Logged on 2015-08-11 03:24 asciilifeform: 'ONE way of feeling infallible is not to keep a diary. Looking back through the diary I kept in 1940 and 1941 I find that I was usually wrong when it was possible to be wrong. Yet I was not so wrong as the Military Experts. Experts of various schools were telling us in 1939 that the Maginot Line was impregnable, and that the Russo-German Pact had put an end to Hitler’s eastwards expansion; in early 1940 they were telling us 1776240;1516901019;asciilifeform;orlol 1776241;1516901021;asciilifeform;err, orwell 1776242;1516901032;mircea_popescu;aha. 1776243;1516901135;mircea_popescu;hmm, where the hell is the place where i say the father's responsibility to his daughter is to shove a pound of raw prime beef down her throat every day and naught else ? 1776244;1516901147;asciilifeform;it was in a trilema article 1776245;1516901151;mircea_popescu;ah was it ? 1776246;1516901271;asciilifeform;it was 1776247;1516901421;asciilifeform;( i dun have a greppable trilema here, so can't immediately say where ) 1776248;1516901431;mircea_popescu;i do and i still can't ;/ 1776249;1516902259;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/carnita/ ? 1776250;1516902289;mircea_popescu;nah, that's just a reference to an old romulus vulpescu translation of decameron 1776251;1516902332;asciilifeform;in other finds, unlike google, yandex indexes ~all of trilema 1776252;1516902351;asciilifeform;so potentially findable there, if only anybody remembered the actual phrasing 1776253;1516902612;trinque;hm, I have a transaction for which trb considers the CTransaction "vin" vector to be empty, but which clearly has an input. 1776254;1516902618;trinque;appears I've got a bug 1776255;1516902628;asciilifeform;trinque: which trb is this 1776256;1516902645;asciilifeform;( modified ? if so how? or a well-known press ? or wat ) 1776257;1516902667;hanbot;mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2017/genetics-proposes-the-environment-disposes/ if it's still useful 1776258;1516902705;mircea_popescu;holy shit yes! 1776259;1516902707;mircea_popescu;tyvm 1776260;1516902708;trinque;asciilifeform: makefiles + polarbeard sendrawtx 1776261;1516902724;trinque;totally possible it's in the polarbearded portion. I'm digging 1776262;1516902741;trinque;though I don't see how he'd have borked tx parsing 1776263;1516902741;asciilifeform;trinque: plox to describe the experimental setup ( not pedantism for the sake of pedantism, this, it's important ) 1776264;1516902864;asciilifeform;trinque: which eggog, exactly , do you get ? 1776265;1516902879;asciilifeform;'CTransaction::CheckTransaction() : vin empty' ? 1776266;1516902892;trinque;./main.cpp: return DoS(10, error("CTransaction::CheckTransaction() : vin empty")); 1776267;1516902932;asciilifeform;and http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc is the press point ? 1776268;1516902952;trinque;pressed to makefiles then patched polarbeard atop manually 1776269;1516902967;asciilifeform;but with ^this patch ? or another ? 1776270;1516902988;trinque;the same 1776271;1516903033;trinque;I don't see that he does anything to transaction parsing there 1776272;1516903038;trinque;just does so. 1776273;1516903115;asciilifeform;i gotta ask : how didja generate the txturd 1776274;1516903131;asciilifeform;( is it possible that it got cut or mutilated ? ) 1776275;1516903148;trinque;other tools say it's a normal tx, and see the input 1776276;1516903172;asciilifeform;right, but is there any diff b/w how trinque fed it to 'other tool' and how he fed to this one 1776277;1516903198;trinque;nope, tx bin hex slurped from qr code 1776278;1516903201;asciilifeform;or was this a process flow that worked 9000 times before, and otherwise virginal 1776279;1516903204;trinque;^ 1776280;1516903228;asciilifeform;is tx of unusual size ? 1776281;1516903236;trinque;naw, 1 input, 2 outputs 1776282;1516903242;asciilifeform;hm, interesting 1776283;1516903257;asciilifeform;and, importantly -- what is the node's height ? 1776284;1516903284;asciilifeform;( and what was the generating node's ? ) 1776285;1516903296;trinque;hm. winner winner chicken dinner. -3k blocks 1776286;1516903301;asciilifeform;ding. 1776287;1516903307;asciilifeform;caseclosed. 1776288;1516903399;trinque;what a terrible error message. 1776289;1516903401;*;trinque throws that on the TODOs 1776290;1516903444;asciilifeform;dunno, it was enuff for asciilifeform to say what was the eggog 1776291;1516903466;asciilifeform;but i'll agree that 'empty' is idiotic way to describe it 1776292;1516903473;trinque;indistinguishable from bad parse 1776293;1516903481;asciilifeform;it ain't 'empty', just orphanistic. 1776294;1516903512;asciilifeform;'this tx may have come from parallel universe, we won't know until we intern its parents' 1776295;1516903543;trinque;mhm, and this is an input that was change more recently than 3k blox 1776296;1516903553;asciilifeform;clearly. 1776297;1516903648;*;asciilifeform finds the 'tx references outputs of old tx, rather than addrs' to be a profoundly trisomistic shitoshiism -- but we can come back to this at next 'trb-i' thread 1776298;1516905774;trinque;heh, 0.0005 confirms instantly now. aren't we all glad the shitheads got their gigablocks 1776299;1516905928;mircea_popescu;wait, what ?! 1776300;1516906023;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/ << Trilema - The principal-agent problem, or how America went away 1776301;1516906150;trinque;I just fired a garden variety tx and it confirmed in the next block, 0.0005 fee 1776302;1516906190;mircea_popescu;oh, i missed some sarcasm did i 1776303;1516906297;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776288 << it is at that. 1776304;1516906297;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 18:03 trinque: what a terrible error message. 1776305;1516906883;asciilifeform;trinque: do you know of a particular reason why you have a -3k node ? ( it is a young node, not yet grown ? or -- blackholed ? which ) 1776306;1516907038;trinque;nope, this was the deedbot node. each time it happens, there are many external connections, and each time a restart brings it back to the top. 1776307;1516907043;trinque;I do not have a hypothesis yet 1776308;1516907056;asciilifeform;trinque: what patch set on this node ? 1776309;1516907071;trinque;this is the node we were discussing, makefiles.vpatch + polarbeard 1776310;1516907073;asciilifeform;( i.e. does it have the sync retardation cure ) 1776311;1516907080;trinque;it does not 1776312;1516907081;asciilifeform;cuz if not, this is elementary 1776313;1516907101;trinque;wasn't that patch marked experimental? 1776314;1516907107;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's working node has been 100% free of 'falls behind and cured by restart' since patched. 1776315;1516907125;asciilifeform;trinque: indeed i marked it as experimental. did not know if, e.g., prb would shun the patched nodes, say 1776316;1516907139;asciilifeform;nowadays i dun see any reason not to mainline it 1776317;1516907162;*;trinque will be happy to start using the mainline version. 1776318;1516907163;asciilifeform;( iirc mod6 also has a node with it, runs smoothly, talk with him. possibly ben_vulpes also ) 1776319;1516907174;trinque;I intend for deedbot's node to always reflect current trb's behavior 1776320;1516907191;*;asciilifeform can't find any argument against this 1776321;1516907212;asciilifeform;the old sync behaviour is profoundly retarded tho, asciilifeform felt quite stupid for not having fixed it in the first yr of trb's life 1776322;1516907250;asciilifeform;the 'boot time is SPESHUL' is an idjit winblowzism 1776323;1516907255;asciilifeform;for which there can be NO justification. 1776324;1516907263;ben_vulpes;was a pretty neatly surgical fix, i gotta say 1776325;1516907318;ben_vulpes;given the evolution of 'v', and that the act of pressing is a private, intimate one, does "current trb's behavior" make much sense anymore? 1776326;1516907322;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: well considering that it only snips off an obvious birth wart 1776327;1516907340;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is such a thing as ' ben_vulpes & mod6 Troo Release ' ! 1776328;1516907347;asciilifeform;recall ? 1776329;1516907347;ben_vulpes;more of a tumor hanging off the infant's face, but yeah 1776330;1516907359;ben_vulpes;yes, i do. 1776331;1516907372;trinque;ben_vulpes: macroexpand my statement to "I am not adding maintaining my own wad of chosen experimental patches, regrinding them each time there is a mainline release" 1776332;1516907399;asciilifeform;incidentally ben_vulpes , mod6 , anybody else who tested 'experimental' patch, is invited to... 1776333;1516907400;asciilifeform;sign it ! 1776334;1516907405;asciilifeform;with commentary 1776335;1516907423;asciilifeform;e.g. 'i ran node with this for 60 d, and it worx , nomoar fallbehind' etc 1776336;1516907438;asciilifeform;this goes for ~all~ 'experimentals' 1776337;1516907527;ben_vulpes;suresure. what even means "a release" though, in a world where each patch now touches the changelog file. that eg ben_vulpes produces a patch that *only* touches the changelog, saying "the foundation makes of this link in the chain a checkpoint"? 1776338;1516907551;asciilifeform;it means, simply enuff, whatever item ben_vulpes & mod6 proclaim 'this is a trb release' 1776339;1516907565;asciilifeform;for instance, a release is a suggested starting point for patch work 1776340;1516907568;trinque;I was supposing that experimental patches would not touch changelog, patches meant for release would edit changelog 1776341;1516907586;asciilifeform;trinque: this is sorta how releases work already iirc 1776342;1516907588;asciilifeform;in trbland 1776343;1516907666;ben_vulpes;i'd rather have people chose which node on which to base their patches themselves, based on their own judgement of the quality of the priors, otherwise there's a new axis of promisetronix in play 1776344;1516907696;ben_vulpes;that the world promises to deliver me a regrinding nightmare out of stitching together ten patches that all descend from the release patch 1776345;1516907701;asciilifeform;imho 'trb release' makes sense as a thing -- conservative 'this worx' item 1776346;1516907706;trinque;what is the foundation's role then? 1776347;1516907717;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes something like that works, certainly. 1776348;1516907722;asciilifeform;n00b wants to run trb. which trb will he run ? 1776349;1516907736;mircea_popescu;trinque if they don't touch changelog they'll have to be reground then 1776350;1516907742;ben_vulpes;trinque: conservative "this works" 1776351;1516907742;trinque;right 1776352;1516907747;mircea_popescu;i suppose the idea here is to turn this into a semantic device ? 1776353;1516907850;trinque;editing the changelog, "mainline" would not ever have multiple leafs, aside intentional forks 1776354;1516907898;trinque;experimental patches meanwhile wouldn't, and the operator is invited to regrind the experimental item into a patch which edits changelog, if it's graduating out of "experimental" 1776355;1516907909;ben_vulpes;makes for a neat delineation between patches baked in an angry stew and those selfsame patches read in the cold light of morning and possibly even reground by others as "this works, and i propose it for inclusion in the trunk" 1776356;1516907948;mircea_popescu;1. the idea to have "changelog only" patches as a signature device is a major departure from how v worked previously, it semanticizes an item that we only recently even introduced ; 2. the idea to have patches that are deliberately non-compliant so "they won't be mainline" is a solution to what i thought an inexistend problem -- why not maintain special "experumental" keys for the purpose instead, l;ike sane people ? 1776357;1516907960;trinque;I don't propose "changelog only" 1776358;1516907965;mircea_popescu;both 1 and 2 seem a rather "we'll fix the car by retrofitting horse carriage to it" 1776359;1516908045;trinque;I don't see that. 1776360;1516908060;trinque;nor where "deliberately non-compliant" comes in 1776361;1516908087;trinque;a C++ program is not reducible to particular files sliced out of it. it's the whole, and the filesystem state is a lie. 1776362;1516908112;mircea_popescu;wait a second. 1776363;1516908113;trinque;because human brains balk at a 500k scroll, so they chop the thing into bits 1776364;1516908121;mircea_popescu;hang on, hang on. 1776365;1516908140;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776178 <- it's on, thanks! 1776366;1516908140;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 16:39 mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/ ftr. 1776367;1516908150;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776337 << 1 is re this. 1776368;1516908150;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 19:12 ben_vulpes: suresure. what even means "a release" though, in a world where each patch now touches the changelog file. that eg ben_vulpes produces a patch that *only* touches the changelog, saying "the foundation makes of this link in the chain a checkpoint"? 1776369;1516908171;mircea_popescu;2 was not actually stated by anyone, i'm just saying for the record. 1776370;1516908193;trinque;ah, /me backs off 1776371;1516908262;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ( iirc mod6 also has a node with it, runs smoothly, talk with him. possibly ben_vulpes also ) << this in ref to >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html ? 1776372;1516908324;asciilifeform;mod6: it 1776373;1516908344;mod6;My node got with 140 blocks, then promptly fell back behind about 400-500. but this is caused by my dedicated node running on spinning rust it appears. when i get a moment, I'm gonna call the DC and see if they'll throw in an ssd in there for me. that should cure it. 1776374;1516908353;mod6;I'll hold off on sigs until i can confirm with ssd. 1776375;1516908364;mod6;*within 1776376;1516908364;asciilifeform;spinning rust, at this point i dare say, is like running node on 486 1776377;1516908373;asciilifeform;i.e. screamingly short of the system requirements 1776378;1516908374;mod6;aha. noted. 1776379;1516908416;asciilifeform;( dulap had ~ok trb performance on spinning rust, but it had striped raid . and STILL couldn't keep up with ssd zoolag, despite the latter being a box the size of my fist, with no raid, on residential fiber ) 1776380;1516908579;asciilifeform;btw i'll mention again a simple method to speed up sync (to a point) 1,000x or moar -- signed hashes ( a la the programmable checkpoint thread from 2yrs ago ) 1776381;1516908580;mod6;for instance, i have a R610 running with ssd, and when doing eatblock (sucking in all the blocks cut up via cutblk), I can process like 15k-20k blocks per day. more importantly, the IO timings are WAAAAAY lower. 1776382;1516908597;asciilifeform;but the up/down sides of this method are i think obvious 1776383;1516908612;mod6;so im sure that ssd will give me a huge perf boost to stay up to HEAD 1776384;1516908640;mod6;if for some reason DC won't throw in a SSD, even if extra fee is paid, will find a new DC. 1776385;1516908658;mod6;but, their site says they will do hardware mods via request. 1776386;1516908677;mod6;so im fairly confident to get it resolved here with a simple email. will report back one way or another. 1776387;1516908818;asciilifeform;btw i'm still waiting for anybody to try to defend the original shitoshi sync behaviour, somehow 1776388;1516908828;asciilifeform;to me it looks completely indefensible. 1776389;1516908841;asciilifeform;WHY should boot time be special ? 1776390;1516908858;asciilifeform;can anyone 'devil's advocate' this one ? 1776391;1516909012;diana_coman;asciilifeform, no "advocate", more like explain: probably the thought was that after it starts it remains (magically!) always at the top 1776392;1516909040;mircea_popescu;the thought was that this runs for a coupla hours after hours on uni computer 1776393;1516909052;mircea_popescu;because self-effacing "nobility" of retarded white cuck. 1776394;1516909069;mod6;<+asciilifeform> to me it looks completely indefensible. <+asciilifeform> WHY should boot time be special ? << aha, to me your change there seems like the Right Thing 1776395;1516909349;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am well persuaded http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#footnote_2_56073 was actually satoshi's nobel/oppenheimer moment. "o noes, this is bad because i have not the balls to live!" 1776396;1516911605;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu : that was my only hypothesis. i haven't another. 1776397;1516911677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the only obvious problem with 'oppenheimer' hypothesis is that shitoshi iirc walked away ~prior~ to bitcoin 'chain reaction' 1776398;1516911703;mircea_popescu;i don't mean it was a historical event ; just as a counterfactual. 1776399;1516911706;asciilifeform;aa 1776400;1516911751;mircea_popescu;you can sorta guess when exactly the "strong independent woman" will start bawing like a little girl on the basis of the displayed priors. 1776401;1516911790;asciilifeform;and for thread-completeness i gotta point out that 'Until the day Bitcoin mining uses up 50%+1 of all electricity generated on planet Earth, this theoretical avenue remains open, if very theoretical' isn't necessarily guaranteed : there always remains ( because Hashing Is Voodoo (tm) ! ) the possibility of discovering shortcut to the mining process ( we had the 'satcoin' thread; possibly other variations on the theme also ) 1776402;1516911805;mircea_popescu;sure 1776403;1516911843;*;asciilifeform recently on yet another kick of 'what do re hashing' , if nobody guessed 1776404;1516911973;asciilifeform;granted this is less of a headache in 'minerless' trbi variants. 1776405;1516914270;asciilifeform;!!up NoSatoshisHear 1776406;1516914271;deedbot;NoSatoshisHear voiced for 30 minutes. 1776407;1516914272;asciilifeform;lol 1776408;1516914291;NoSatoshisHear;ya, i'm an idiot. thx for the !up 1776409;1516914356;NoSatoshisHear;ffa, some cool stuff, making a braindead c one just cause I can learn better. Sure wish I could pour some fast multiply hardware, but don't know enough prolly. 1776410;1516914384;asciilifeform;NoSatoshisHear: why dontcha introduce yerself ? 1776411;1516914391;asciilifeform;and, better even, reg with deedbot 1776412;1516914392;asciilifeform;!!help 1776413;1516914392;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1776414;1516914426;NoSatoshisHear;ex game engineer, ex intel architect, now too old to get hired. life summary. 1776415;1516914452;ben_vulpes;didja at least keep the options in the divorce? 1776416;1516914488;asciilifeform;NoSatoshisHear: reg with deedbot; i'll rate you 1776417;1516914495;NoSatoshisHear;intel got no options, you get a multiplier. best paid job ever. 1776418;1516914532;NoSatoshisHear;I have, came last summer, fugged around, left with a copy of trb to play with, will make a real name and gpg id in the near future.... 1776419;1516914543;ben_vulpes;"dump trucks of money every two weeks" is how i heard it described one time. 1776420;1516914599;NoSatoshisHear;you get a percent of the profit every quarter, I started at 25% of salary, and got a 10% bump at 1 year, some 20 year+ doods have 2000% multipliers. 1776421;1516914614;NoSatoshisHear;hated the job, loved the money. 1776422;1516914625;asciilifeform;NoSatoshisHear: why didja leave? 1776423;1516914630;asciilifeform;or sacked ? 1776424;1516914680;NoSatoshisHear;left, was not happy with the system, thought it was not conducive to making new wares, but great for maintaining older established platforms. 1776425;1516914710;asciilifeform;unsurprising, considering that intel lives ~100% on ye olde wintel monopoly 1776426;1516914737;asciilifeform;(which in turn inherited from ancient ibm monopoly, so altogether century+ old) 1776427;1516914760;NoSatoshisHear;was pretty cool getting to be in the architect meeting. They introduced the FU chip in 2004 as a seperate processor. I so voted it down. It sounded like a spy chip and it was. 1776428;1516914780;asciilifeform;FU? 1776429;1516914791;NoSatoshisHear;I'll be damned if they didn't put that bastard into my sacred north bridge! The intel management engine... 1776430;1516914794;asciilifeform;is this the turd that turned into ME ? 1776431;1516914818;asciilifeform;aa 1776432;1516914837;NoSatoshisHear;yup... that is it. Started in 2004, was designed to access memory, drive, and ethernet while main cpu was asleep... 1776433;1516914859;asciilifeform;this wasn't an engineer decision, but board 'decision' ( in the sense that if board tried to decide 'no', intel would have simply been given a new board ) 1776434;1516914884;NoSatoshisHear;I worked on ICH7 and ICH8, fugging bugs out the ass in ICH7... 1776435;1516914922;NoSatoshisHear;yup, every engineer who heard of the system hated it, and the vp++ loved the idea, gave control to corporate overlords of your work machine. 1776436;1516914937;asciilifeform;!#s fritz 1776437;1516914938;a111;61 results for "fritz", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fritz 1776438;1516914941;asciilifeform;^ see also 1776439;1516914943;NoSatoshisHear;then they put the bastard in everything, moved from NB to CPU, and you know the rest... 1776440;1516914948;asciilifeform;have you been reading the logs, NoSatoshisHear ? 1776441;1516914991;NoSatoshisHear;Read the all, love to read. Trilema leads out to all of you guys stuff, all 1% great stuff, and 99% personal wanglings. 1776442;1516915035;NoSatoshisHear;what are my three premises? sounded like a binary joke extended. ETLA's 1776443;1516915152;asciilifeform;imho the interesting aspect of the intel fritzchip is not that it is there, but that an unknown and unknowable number of items with equivalent functionality also there. 1776444;1516915194;NoSatoshisHear;so, I may make a fun shitcoin for lulz. I like the hellcoin idea. The block gets awarded to the last 10 suckers^h^h^h^h^h miners that put a "realcoin" into the chain. We start at $100 and let people "mine" with coins, last 10 when the timer ticks down get the block. 1776445;1516915194;asciilifeform;which is why i do not see the various diy attempts to disable the particular ME, as interesting in any way 1776446;1516915231;asciilifeform;what's it mean to 'put a realcoin into the chain' 1776447;1516915235;NoSatoshisHear;30 minute timout shite, though I did see the key may have leaked and someone had an uploader. 1776448;1516915244;asciilifeform;or for that matter to 'start at $100' 1776449;1516915303;asciilifeform;NoSatoshisHear: keys leaking also not so exciting, they can simply swap out the key in next chip rev 1776450;1516915308;asciilifeform;like the hdmi people did 1776451;1516915312;NoSatoshisHear;You start with $100 in the pool, the "miners" contribute any amount of BC or other "valid" coin to bid. It goes in the pool, and the timer resets. If it times out, the last 10 get the block award. 1776452;1516915357;asciilifeform;sounds like a rather tedious fiatola casino 1776453;1516915362;NoSatoshisHear;try and even get the hdmi spec, I'm still looking for a "dumped" version. Love the ethernet spec they built in... 1776454;1516915395;NoSatoshisHear;yes, it's just like reddits "the button", only with money. Would be serious lulz, and only an idiot would play. 1776455;1516915407;NoSatoshisHear;the world has a lot of idiots, like me. 1776456;1516915449;asciilifeform;NoSatoshisHear: do consider to reg with deedbot. 1776457;1516915450;NoSatoshisHear;it would not be a coin, but a gambling experiment. Either no one would play, or lots would and the game could never end. 1776458;1516915451;asciilifeform;i'ma bbl. 1776459;1516915488;NoSatoshisHear;yes, will do a real ID, just flaming some crap right now. I have my main server back for repairs, so when it comes home I will do the do. 1776460;1516915517;mod6;cool 1776461;1516915574;NoSatoshisHear;still wonder if I mean Satoshi at one of the parties with Tim May and James A Donald and some of the other early coiners. I was surprised to find peeps I hung with in SF... 1776462;1516915584;NoSatoshisHear;mean->met 1776463;1516915725;NoSatoshisHear;I worked on digital coin in 2001, but tried to find a non-net solution, and finally just gave up. When you head the wrong way, you don't get there. Still feel stupid for not buying in at $5, but I had no interest in Silk Road. 1776464;1516915864;NoSatoshisHear;so, will be back later with a verifiable ID instead of this anon lunacy, thx for the lulz and info in the meantime. 1776465;1516915894;mod6;aight, c-ya 1776466;1516916002;NoSatoshisHear;W00t! learned a lot from TRB, so thx to all of you maintainers! Will not make a V prolly though. Still learning lightning, now with "onion routing". HODL on, and buy my tethers plz. 1776467;1516916067;trinque;wtf? 1776468;1516916102;trinque;smell of https://oglaf.com/humans/ 1776469;1516916119;asciilifeform;trinque: verily 1776470;1516916308;trinque;!!up caaddr 1776471;1516916308;deedbot;caaddr voiced for 30 minutes. 1776472;1516916328;trinque;caaddr: your connection through tor is going to end up irritating folks if the join/part gets too noisy. 1776473;1516916338;trinque;!#s tor 1776474;1516916338;a111;1126 results for "tor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tor 1776475;1516916369;trinque;isn't doing a thing for you other than whatever virtue signaling with the hackerkids 1776476;1516917649;lobbes;In other heathendom lulz, local conservative radio stations in my area have begun airing ads: "Bobface from Alabama made $7 million cashing out on 'crypto stocks'. You can too! Buy this b00k to learn what you need to know to get in on it" 1776477;1516920106;mircea_popescu;lobbes sadly thaty book is not availablew in my country ;/ i wonder if you could buy it for me and ship it!!1 1776478;1516920214;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776346 << i suspect his idea is "ideally, nothing". in any case foundation has not managed to keep up with the rest of the pie despite periodic prodding. 1776479;1516920214;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 19:15 trinque: what is the foundation's role then? 1776480;1516920218;mircea_popescu;then again growth is hard. 1776481;1516920298;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776348 << this is a much deeper problem anyway. emmylark chick is like "do you have a preference" re windows irc clients. i don't, i don't run windows. "what should i run ?" "err... we'll talk of this later, slut". which is fine, she's used to "you're too dumb to be told this story yet", EXCEPT in this case it's not her that's too dumb. 1776482;1516920298;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 19:15 asciilifeform: n00b wants to run trb. which trb will he run ? 1776483;1516920334;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776472 << and as to this, as you might've noticed, moving to mirc from freenode webirc hasn't helped all that much. 1776484;1516920334;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 21:38 trinque: caaddr: your connection through tor is going to end up irritating folks if the join/part gets too noisy. 1776485;1516920347;mircea_popescu;what can you do ? she's not setting up any bouncers as a three day old. 1776486;1516920804;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in functional cultures, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVTaMktCIEk 1776487;1516920967;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776414 << not bad ; you're probably not too old to be useful for minigame, you know. 1776488;1516920967;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 21:07 NoSatoshisHear: ex game engineer, ex intel architect, now too old to get hired. life summary. 1776489;1516921093;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776422 << for the obvious reason, became obvious ship is slowly sinking and rudderless in any case, time to move on. eh! 1776490;1516921093;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 21:10 asciilifeform: NoSatoshisHear: why didja leave? 1776491;1516921692;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776441 << i'm unsure what this means. what does this mean ? 1776492;1516921692;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 21:16 NoSatoshisHear: Read the all, love to read. Trilema leads out to all of you guys stuff, all 1% great stuff, and 99% personal wanglings. 1776493;1516921840;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776444 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dollar+auction 1776494;1516921840;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 21:19 NoSatoshisHear: so, I may make a fun shitcoin for lulz. I like the hellcoin idea. The block gets awarded to the last 10 suckers^h^h^h^h^h miners that put a "realcoin" into the chain. We start at $100 and let people "mine" with coins, last 10 when the timer ticks down get the block. 1776495;1516922800;mircea_popescu;!!up NoSatoshisHear 1776496;1516922800;deedbot;NoSatoshisHear voiced for 30 minutes. 1776497;1516922843;NoSatoshisHear;so sorry, came back for 'splaining... since I usually make no sense without lots of context. 1776498;1516922894;NoSatoshisHear;for MP, all 1% great stuff, and 99% personal wanglings. means 1% tech talk, love it, and 99% porn posts, personal shite, etc. Love it all. 1776499;1516923056;NoSatoshisHear;and almost a dollar auction, auctioneer gets nothing, puts up the initial $100, gets lot of lulz if the crowd ever starts trying to win on the money rake game. Demos of economics are just plain w00ty tooty fun times. 1776500;1516923188;mircea_popescu;hanbot hey, make a mp-wp install for the young'un ? i've a mind to publicly expose her. 1776501;1516923194;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776478 << in the "journal of negative results", china thing went ~nowhere, i had some 6-7 notional meatsacks try to use irc, one managed to reg a key and then fell off the map; now waiting for bisp to come online to host on republican terms 1776502;1516923194;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 22:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776346 << i suspect his idea is "ideally, nothing". in any case foundation has not managed to keep up with the rest of the pie despite periodic prodding. 1776503;1516923222;mircea_popescu;NoSatoshisHear oh i see. verbs help you know! 1776504;1516923332;NoSatoshisHear;sorry, text talk, plus not editing my own shite leads to unclear communications. I know better, english professor grandma taught me proper diction, though I am lazy. 1776505;1516923333;mircea_popescu;honestly your coin idea isn't even bad, in theory. in practice it has a fundamental flaw. you see, bitcoin acts AS A CLOCK. this is its principal function. your thing has no clock. 1776506;1516923344;mircea_popescu;there's no intrinsic reason to close the auction ; if you solve this you may have something. 1776507;1516923434;NoSatoshisHear;centralized system, so one server counts the ticks, it would simply be a demo of reddit "the button" style idiocy combined with gambling. Sounds viral, like the 1918 flu. 1776508;1516923458;mircea_popescu;dumb solution. 1776509;1516923467;mircea_popescu;make a good solution. 1776510;1516923487;NoSatoshisHear;you got it, dumb. a working solution would be even dumber. 1776511;1516923502;mircea_popescu;yes, but a perfectly dumb item is as respectable as the perfect woman. 1776512;1516923515;mircea_popescu;the problems arise from imperfection. 1776513;1516923531;NoSatoshisHear;shitcoin nonsense combined with the current addicted gamblers might be a fun public spectacle. 1776514;1516923547;NoSatoshisHear;Would be even better if "hacked" in the end? 1776515;1516923568;NoSatoshisHear;Damn, I so want to tether, but I have morals unfortunately. 1776516;1516923568;mircea_popescu;lol 1776517;1516923638;NoSatoshisHear;So, come on, how many BC do you really have? Not like you could ever answer, but you are really not Satoshi, and really are the Romanian guy I looked up under IEEE? 1776518;1516923657;mircea_popescu;the who ? 1776519;1516923717;mircea_popescu;oh lol. they summoned up an imperial-flavoured alt-mp. has ~nothing to do with anything, and no other claim to fame besides "hey, we can pretend THIS is relevant". 1776520;1516923744;NoSatoshisHear;There is a Romanian named Mircea Popescu that is registered with the IEEE... You are not him, correct? https://ias.ieee.org/images/files/CMD/2014/mircea%20popescu.pdf 1776521;1516923855;mircea_popescu;correct. 1776522;1516923893;mircea_popescu;guy exists so google can pretend to misunderstand which mircea popescu people are looking for. 1776523;1516923908;mircea_popescu;not because it does anything, but because...well... it burns, what. 1776524;1516924017;NoSatoshisHear;John Does down the stack... Pseudonymity is the way to go, don't hide, drown in excess data... Lol, go for it Palantir 1776525;1516924073;mircea_popescu;eh, they've no fucking idea. but anyway. 1776526;1516924084;trinque;NoSatoshisHear: plenty of folks here with their actual names. 1776527;1516924124;NoSatoshisHear;exactly. I don't have any idea. Yup, looked up lots of folx with real names. Not like I hide much either. 1776528;1516924240;NoSatoshisHear;Just find the pseudo named people to be fun, and I am looking for fun. That and code fun. You have provided both. 1776529;1516924263;trinque;oh, do we get an upvote then? 1776530;1516924268;*;trinque will show his mother 1776531;1516924301;NoSatoshisHear;damn, where is my reddit upgoat, since you have earned many. 1776532;1516924314;asciilifeform;oh hey more 'humans' : 1776533;1516924317;asciilifeform;!!up lurkymclurkerson 1776534;1516924318;deedbot;lurkymclurkerson voiced for 30 minutes. 1776535;1516924401;asciilifeform;hey NoSatoshisHear -- you say you read the ffa series ? in what order of complexity does modular exponentiation run ? 1776536;1516924552;asciilifeform;or , how about , NoSatoshisHear , you worked at intel yes ? in what chemistry was the i386 fabbed ? and roughly how many transistors on the die , to the nearest hundred thousand ? 1776537;1516924573;mircea_popescu;lol 1776538;1516924575;NoSatoshisHear;well per loper, I may have missed it, but I don't think that was covered in 1-8. 1776539;1516924579;asciilifeform;trinque start the clock whydontcha 1776540;1516924583;asciilifeform;ahahahahahahaha 1776541;1516924815;asciilifeform;that didn't take long. 1776542;1516924862;mircea_popescu;i don't think the fellow took your meaning. 1776543;1516924876;asciilifeform;let's see, 1776544;1516924879;asciilifeform;!!up NoSatoshisHear 1776545;1516924879;deedbot;NoSatoshisHear voiced for 30 minutes. 1776546;1516924879;NoSatoshisHear;no, I got it. 1776547;1516924880;ben_vulpes;it was right on time if you look at when he got voice 1776548;1516924891;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not that 1776549;1516924907;NoSatoshisHear;dudes, doesn't matter, was fun. 1776550;1516924984;NoSatoshisHear;Also, 2004 was 64 bit 586 days, so before my time. 1776551;1516924990;NoSatoshisHear;thx! 1776552;1516925001;asciilifeform;aaaaha. 1776553;1516925003;mircea_popescu;you are too harsh, alfie. 1776554;1516925007;asciilifeform;am not. 1776555;1516925008;asciilifeform;this was basic. 1776556;1516925027;mircea_popescu;how would we settle this dispute ? 1776557;1516925034;asciilifeform;and i fucking hate cheap ninjashoguns. 1776558;1516925047;mircea_popescu;there's no argument as to that. 1776559;1516925083;asciilifeform;dunno that there is any straight way to settle 'what is basic' . but rough measures of most-famous-products at company one supposedly worked at, is not imho 'cruel & unusual' puzzle 1776560;1516925085;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776346 << i suspect his idea is "ideally, nothing". in any case foundation has not managed to keep up with the rest of the pie despite periodic prodding. << hmm. well whatever it is we do, I spend a lot of time doing it. happy to shut it down if it's not needed any more. 1776561;1516925085;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 19:15 trinque: what is the foundation's role then? 1776562;1516925100;mircea_popescu;the issue is not "what is basic", but "you are too harsh" / "am not" 1776563;1516925111;asciilifeform;aa sure. 1776564;1516925118;mircea_popescu;mod6 dun take it personal ; for one thing i'm hussling him not you. 1776565;1516925146;mod6;nothing personal. i feel like the foundation is a good thing ; maintaining all of the things re: trb. 1776566;1516925152;asciilifeform;'64bit 586' soo preshus 1776567;1516925155;mircea_popescu;so do i. 1776568;1516925161;mod6;but if there is the sentiment that it's not needed, then we should have that talk. 1776569;1516925214;mircea_popescu;jesus what a juggernaut this guy is. YO! that's not the sentiment. 1776570;1516925264;mod6;hehe, ok :] 1776571;1516925291;mircea_popescu;throw darts at ben_vulpes end up tackled by mod6 ; what is this, like teamwork ? 1776572;1516925299;asciilifeform;lol 1776573;1516925340;mod6;I think it's good that we're able to adjust to anything if need be. Tis' all. 1776574;1516925352;mod6;It's only as useful, as long as it's useful kinda thing. 1776575;1516925358;mircea_popescu;word. 1776576;1516925412;asciilifeform;mod6: it is useful now. and will be evenmoar useful when bisp and rack for nodes etc 1776577;1516925472;mod6;^ indeed. 1776578;1516925578;mircea_popescu;i'm needling him about systems design matters because he's interested, and intelligent enough, and occasionally sparks from it. 1776579;1516925612;mod6;<+asciilifeform> n00b wants to run trb. which trb will he run ? << n00b runs what is available at thebitcoin.foundation -- there are some recent vpatches that will become mainline once I can get all of the things vetted more closely. 1776580;1516925638;asciilifeform;mod6: this was in response to a hypothetical 'but why do we even need releases' , not re current trb www 1776581;1516925656;asciilifeform;mod6: currently, and quite fortunately, there ~is~ a foundation, with releases . 1776582;1516925693;mod6;Some of this is my fault, I've been trying to keep up here. Getting kinda swampped with a bunch of things at once. But! These are all good things. FFA, eucrypt, ada, vtron stuff, et. al. 1776583;1516925725;mircea_popescu;it's expanding quite rapidly. 1776584;1516925727;mod6;Yeah, i agree, that 'releases' is kinda anti-V. 1776585;1516925747;asciilifeform;i dun see how 'anti' . a release is simply a type of vpress. 1776586;1516925757;asciilifeform;by particular people. 1776587;1516925758;mod6;However, until n00bs get into the fold with what 'V' is, they kinda need just 1 stable thing to build with a 1-button-push. Which means folding things in slowly. 1776588;1516925786;mod6;asciilifeform: by that i mean, 'you should choose your own adventure' -- each man pulls in the vpatches he desires. 1776589;1516925791;mod6;you read the code. 1776590;1516925798;mod6;you pull in the things you want, from the people you trust. 1776591;1516925813;mircea_popescu;aha. 1776592;1516925818;mod6;we'll get there. 1776593;1516925880;mod6;I'm so excited right now tbh. 1776594;1516925890;mircea_popescu;yeah me too! 1776595;1516926053;mod6;I'd like to see the Republic continue to expand the number of trb nodes we have available this year. There are activities currently afoot that immensly support that. Getting FFA vetted and used as a base lib really will help get the ball rolling for any proposed trbi. 1776596;1516926075;mod6;This year. Very excited & positive about that. 1776597;1516926183;asciilifeform;mod6: i dun particularly disagree with any of this, but the pov that 'vetting ffa' is a 1time thing, that can be done and then 'is done', imho is mistake : each user must read it ~himself~. 1776598;1516926186;asciilifeform;forever. 1776599;1516926206;asciilifeform;( forever, that is, not for individual user, but for the sequence of n00bz ) 1776600;1516926217;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sorta like "Each user must read darwin theory for himself" 1776601;1516926220;asciilifeform;aaha. 1776602;1516926229;asciilifeform;and euclid, etc 1776603;1516926237;mircea_popescu;yes, they must, but not with a view to validate theory of evolution ; with a view to expunge head cockroaches 1776604;1516926241;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: i dun particularly disagree with any of this, but the pov that 'vetting ffa' is a 1time thing, that can be done and then 'is done', imho is mistake : each user must read it ~himself~. << I basically just mean for me & ben. 1776605;1516926259;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right 1776606;1516926264;mod6;We have to understand every line. 1776607;1516926269;asciilifeform;just as we dun read euclid 'to validate euclid' 1776608;1516926291;mod6;The good news is, I started really digging into ada and your sneak-previews early last year. 1776609;1516926300;mod6;Thankfully I put the time in. 1776610;1516926321;asciilifeform;mod6: aha, you were among the earliest iirc to get on that ship 1776611;1516926335;mod6;I'm gonna get this vtron stuff out of the way, then dive in. I should be able to make it through the first 3 chapters pretty easily. I even wrote my own unit tests for those parts. 1776612;1516926339;asciilifeform;the other fortunate bit, at least re ffa, is that it is not complicated from the ada pov 1776613;1516926343;asciilifeform;( this is deliberate ) 1776614;1516926385;mod6;yes. I'm starting to love ada, at least, syntactically. The way you've used it, is very straight forward -- at least once one understands how array access / slices work. 1776615;1516926393;asciilifeform;mod6: i have a feeling you'll love the ch8 homework. 1776616;1516926430;mod6;I think so too, I took a peek at it. I'm actually excited that you put homework problems in there. And I'll do 'em for sure. 1776617;1516926440;mod6;Honestly, I loved the homework for ffa_calc. That was awesome. 1776618;1516926453;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776463 << hey, i knew a guy who didn't finance (1980s!) porn ventures because "not interested in the loose women". bought "blue chip" fucking revlon and bs instead. i'm sure there's even today ossified mind going "i'm not into tmsr because i'm not interested in terrorism". hurr durr, you never know what things are really about. 1776619;1516926453;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 21:28 NoSatoshisHear: I worked on digital coin in 2001, but tried to find a non-net solution, and finally just gave up. When you head the wrong way, you don't get there. Still feel stupid for not buying in at $5, but I had no interest in Silk Road. 1776620;1516926584;asciilifeform;dafuq even is -- even in principle -- 'non-net solution' to 'digital coin' 1776621;1516926609;asciilifeform;presumably meant the magical 'untamperable clipper chips' of the 1990s 'digital currency' derps 1776622;1516926622;asciilifeform;( i dun know of anything else that could have fit this description ) 1776623;1516926653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not a novel concept to me -- coins that are only verified on exchange. 1776624;1516926664;asciilifeform;well yes. but 'verified' how 1776625;1516926668;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1776626;1516926673;mircea_popescu;but you can see the appeal. 1776627;1516926683;asciilifeform;i can also see the appeal of fart-powered flight 1776628;1516926692;mircea_popescu;hey, swear to me you never EVER consider it. 1776629;1516926702;asciilifeform;i considered errything, from perpetuum mobile up 1776630;1516926708;mircea_popescu;so there we go. 1776631;1516926709;asciilifeform;dun mean that it makes any sense. 1776632;1516926719;asciilifeform;!#s martian bank 1776633;1516926719;a111;17 results for "martian bank", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=martian%20bank 1776634;1516926722;asciilifeform;^ see also. 1776635;1516926725;mircea_popescu;this'd be his take on that. 1776636;1516926752;mircea_popescu;see, you can tell the guy is genuinely 60ish not just because of his specific pre-internet use of language ; but also because of his default mental models. 1776637;1516926771;mircea_popescu;martian bank, if you're born in say 1960s, is exactly "secret magical pocket knife" 1776638;1516926811;mod6;I'd like to make another positive mention here about TMSR~, if I may : one thing that really makes me smile is that all of us, no matter how busy, or whatever, are always willing to drop whatever it is to pitch in when the ship needs trimming. 1776639;1516926814;mircea_popescu;i think i pointed out somewhere how boys that've never seen a cunt still get wet dreams, but with boobs instead. same thing here -- before networks were well understood people still thought about network-like problems. just... in roman numerals. 1776640;1516926840;mod6;It's pretty fantastic all around. Very good things. 1776641;1516926996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: closest thing i ever came up with to 'analogue bitcoin' was a variant of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-02#1222527 , where you have a sheet of $glasslike and a thermal stressor gadget is used to crack it into N 'jigsaw' pieces; idea being that adjacent pieces 'plug into' yours and can 'verify' it , and so on recursively 1776642;1516926996;a111;Logged on 2015-08-02 21:00 mircea_popescu: you buy 6x6 inch panbes of glass and crash them 1776643;1516927013;mircea_popescu;to put it tersely, i'm unsatisfied it doesn't work. 1776644;1516927036;mircea_popescu;which is like "i'm satisfied X", together with "hey, wait a minute, what if..." 1776645;1516927043;asciilifeform;it works, wat 1776646;1516927062;asciilifeform;glasscoin... 1776647;1516927067;mircea_popescu;i meant the supernode, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776626 1776648;1516927067;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 00:31 mircea_popescu: but you can see the appeal. 1776649;1516927071;asciilifeform;aa 1776650;1516927097;asciilifeform;even that 'works' for the usd value of 'works'.. 1776651;1516927108;mircea_popescu;that's not a value. 1776652;1516927263;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776346 << this ftr was said thinking that it *is* useful, wanted, etc. 1776653;1516927263;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 19:15 trinque: what is the foundation's role then? 1776654;1516927372;mod6;never hurts to ask a tough question. 1776655;1516927429;*;trinque often does this to a person he thinks is qualified to give the argument 1776656;1516927451;mod6;I appreciate all your hard work / blood / sweat / tears on your trb adventure with deedbot. Your contributions are and will make a difference. This is why the republic is on top. We don't imagine the change we want to see in the world, WE MAKE THE CHANGE WE WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD. 1776657;1516927476;shinohai;^ 1776658;1516927516;trinque;fuck yeah buddy. 1776659;1516927526;mod6;This goes for all Lords and Ladies too. If that wasn't obv. 1776660;1516927642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'll admit to a curiosity to hear moar re 'unsatisfied that it doesn't work' 1776661;1516927803;mircea_popescu;i'm satisfied it doesn't work and not happy with this. 1776662;1516927815;asciilifeform;aaa. 1776663;1516927825;mircea_popescu;so therefore... unsatisfied it doesn't work. 1776664;1516927901;asciilifeform;fwiw a literal martian bank would probably work quite well. ( you might have to put it farther than mars, or even on a continually-moving craft , so as it could not be templar-molested by 'french king' ) 1776665;1516927909;asciilifeform;with the obvious physical gotchas. 1776666;1516928002;asciilifeform;and more generally, if one could park an rsa-speaking machine , of extraordinary physical resilience, somewhere nobody could reasonably get to, but can still maintain radio contact 1776667;1516928042;asciilifeform;( 'machine' in the very general sense, you'd want >1 , which understand one another's keys and sync ) 1776668;1516928070;mircea_popescu;and who runs the craft, http://trilema.com/the-hour-of-reckoning ? 1776669;1516928086;asciilifeform;program. 1776670;1516928116;mircea_popescu;oh oh oh i seee! 1776671;1516928121;mircea_popescu;a PROGRAM! 1776672;1516928131;asciilifeform;the orig scenario of course requires benevolent martian , who would gently pick up idjit humans who try to approach the box, like child picks up beetles, and puts'em elsewhere 1776673;1516928137;mircea_popescu;as the man said, "motherfucker, why didn't i think of that!" 1776674;1516928140;asciilifeform;lolyes 1776675;1516928153;asciilifeform;it's a gypsy chicken recipe 1776676;1516928165;asciilifeform;( unsurprisingly, i'd hope, to errybody reading ) 1776677;1516928184;mircea_popescu;if you had that alien it'd be perhaps wiser to just let him figure out what to do himself ? 1776678;1516928200;asciilifeform;next thing , maxwell's daemon will also 'figure out what to do himself!11' lol 1776679;1516928205;mircea_popescu;doesn't it ? 1776680;1516928240;asciilifeform;i suppose. 1776681;1516928311;mircea_popescu;are you... unsatisfied that it does ? :D 1776682;1516928312;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness i will point out that 'who runs the craft' is a problem that exists just the same in current-day bitcoinism. 1776683;1516928319;asciilifeform;rather. 1776684;1516928320;mircea_popescu;oya 1776685;1516929703;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776638 << for some reason my automatic default mental picture was the scene from film 'das boot' 1776686;1516929703;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 00:33 mod6: I'd like to make another positive mention here about TMSR~, if I may : one thing that really makes me smile is that all of us, no matter how busy, or whatever, are always willing to drop whatever it is to pitch in when the ship needs trimming. 1776687;1516936131;mod6;i gotta see this movie now 1776688;1516938553;mod6;ok lemme see if i can do a bit of debugging on this mpwp and see if that really was the issue there. 1776689;1516939515;mod6;ok here's what I've learned. 1776690;1516939596;mod6;So if you manually extract the 'mpwp/blog/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wpgallery/img/gallery.png.svg' from the mp-wp_genesis.vpatch, and place it in a file, and attempt to base64 decode it, it fails to decode. 1776691;1516939668;mod6;Why? Because of the 'false' at the end of this line: ++6/l4BiDfMrebzvzrfh2UMH8cTMAsbHbPRFuih0reDbX30AD+17CB1JhgefoRhOIbIr3k3CDKGT false 1776692;1516939687;mod6;(note that in the genesis, there is an additional '+' at the front of the line) 1776693;1516939732;mod6;anyway, removing: ' false' from that line will indeed, yield the correct hash, and allow for a proper base64 decoding. 1776694;1516939781;mod6;9e46f66499629dc2127e8ed8f0aebef467af1d18ceeb36326791ab201cd0bc0905236b3450c6c3944f6abea9c987fb0e28cc4cdadcec5c1834546173d816a893 gallery.png.svg.mod6_edit 1776695;1516939835;mod6;Perhaps something with the vdiff is doing this? Or maybe there was something weird in the original encoding of this image? But that seems to be the solution, remove that ' false' and that should work. 1776696;1516939990;mod6;<3 1776697;1516941014;mircea_popescu;basically her svging of binaries did some inadvertent fuzzing of the whole vdiff process 1776698;1516943047;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in girls alf won't like, http://78.media.tumblr.com/33cb28925c37b2cd04d9ff82a675d37d/tumblr_nh7rhnlD9v1qd7u7zo1_1280.jpg 1776699;1516943063;mod6;both vdiffs fail on this. 1776700;1516943204;mod6;and it goes back to the same thing as with diana_coman. having two '++' at the front of the line. the way the vdiff is written, when it passes the diffed file off to awk to pattern match the ---|+++ it adds that '+' in the front, then it matches, causing it to call sha512sum.. which is where the false comes from. I think. 1776701;1516943216;mircea_popescu;i expect. 1776702;1516943358;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MSMop/?raw=true 1776703;1516946998;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/26/the-g-word/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The G-word. 1776704;1516948471;douchebag;I managed to find two vulnerabilities in Yahoo last night, I highly suggest their bug bounty program for anyone who is interested in doing that sort of stuff. 1776705;1516948530;mircea_popescu;how much do two vulnerabilities in yahoo pay ? 1776706;1516948609;douchebag;Well, I still have to wait until they patch them before they reward the bounty. They pay based on likelyhood/impact, now a friend of mine reported a vulnerability less serious than the one I found and he was rewarded $2,000 total 1776707;1516948623;douchebag;The other one I discovered, I would say probably somewhere between $200-$500 1776708;1516948662;douchebag;However, even though I have to wait until they patch the bugs I found before they reward me, they did reward me $150 on triage and will be rewarding the rest at a later date 1776709;1516948717;douchebag;You can read his blog here: http://www.sxcurity.pro/ 1776710;1516948753;mod6;i suppose we should be looking for: (--- |\+\+\+ ) instead of (---|\+\+\+) 1776711;1516948757;mircea_popescu;hey, almost better than tits. 1776712;1516948766;mircea_popescu;mod6 YES! 1776713;1516948772;mircea_popescu;i kept sayin' this! 1776714;1516948867;douchebag;A relatively well known bug bounty hunter I know has made $40k this month off of bug bounties, his goal is $50k for January 1776715;1516948954;mircea_popescu;this is like re-reading old shoemoney drivel about google adsense successes. goals and whatnot. 1776716;1516949069;douchebag;Haha, you do have to admit for the average person $40k in a little over 3 weeks is pretty damn good. 1776717;1516949102;mircea_popescu;i certainly admit. 1776718;1516949113;mircea_popescu;but you're not discussing an average person, you're discussing a selected person. 1776719;1516949143;mircea_popescu;i know a girl that made $30 million with her ass ; and you must admit that for the average girl's ass this is indeed generous. 1776720;1516949149;mircea_popescu;but her ass is not actually all that average. 1776721;1516949151;douchebag;Oh yes, that's very true. However, I do know quite a few people who have been very successful with it 1776722;1516949192;mircea_popescu;i know quite a few people whose iq is over 150. the internet is good at collecting similar things. sadly -- this does little for the intelligence of the race in general. 1776723;1516949231;douchebag;Very true 1776724;1516949405;douchebag;I suppose the point I'm trying to get across is that there is a pretty good community involved with bug bounties, I especially like the classic hacker additude of most of the people in the sense that they're all working together to learn more 1776725;1516949495;douchebag;And how most people are more than willing to share the information they acquire through blogs and whatnot 1776726;1516950062;douchebag;mircea_popescu: Who runs bpvulpes.com? 1776727;1516950123;douchebag;< 1776728;1516950281;trinque;surely you can sleuth that one out. 1776729;1516950293;douchebag;Ohh lol I'm retarded 1776730;1516950358;douchebag;ben_vulpes: I found a vulnerability in your site, how would you like me to disclose it to you? 1776731;1516950440;douchebag;It's not a major issue and an easy fix, however it could potentially allow someone to create fake logs 1776732;1516950512;trinque;guy's probably away for the night. why don't you drop him a gpggram on his paste site, link him to it here 1776733;1516950532;douchebag;Forsure 1776734;1516950568;trinque;!!key ben_vulpes 1776735;1516950569;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA.asc 1776736;1516950588;douchebag;Are there any sites any of you guys would like me to check out? I'm a bit bored right now and I am always up for a challenge :-) 1776737;1516950639;trinque;might help you more to do that reading I was talking about, and get a v-tron set up. 1776738;1516950643;*;trinque off for the night as well 1776739;1516950951;douchebag;ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VGhcp/?raw=true 1776740;1516952141;mircea_popescu;douchebag ben_vulpes 1776741;1516952194;douchebag;Mhmmm I already got it, thanks anyway though 1776742;1516952206;mircea_popescu;:p 1776743;1516952223;douchebag;mircea_popescu: any sites you want me to take a look at really quick? 1776744;1516952305;mircea_popescu;wp-mp, basically, like last time. 1776745;1516952350;douchebag;To make my job a little bit easier, could you tell me a little bit about mp-wp and how it differs from Wordpress? 1776746;1516952352;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774733 < 1776747;1516952352;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 07:11 mircea_popescu: actually, hanbot is about to genesis mp-wp, you're more than welcome to help down with the paring down effort of that, if you want. mostly php. 1776748;1516952365;mircea_popescu;it's a fork off 2.7 wp trunk iirc. 1776749;1516952519;mircea_popescu;hanbot just published an unofficial genesis, so you can just fire up your v and press that 1776750;1516952616;douchebag;Where can I find a copy of the source? 1776751;1516952715;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775994 1776752;1516952715;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 06:00 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775981 >> can grab http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch & http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch.hanbot.sig ; pubkey's on about page if you need it. 1776753;1516953295;douchebag;mic 1776754;1516953304;douchebag;mircea_popescu: I have discovered a vulnerability :-) 1776755;1516953336;douchebag;How would you like me to disclose this? 1776756;1516955192;mircea_popescu;by saying what it is lel 1776757;1516955283;douchebag;Cross Site Scripting 1776758;1516955292;mircea_popescu;but be specific 1776759;1516955319;douchebag;Is it alright if I link you to a PoC of the vulnerability? 1776760;1516955324;mircea_popescu;sure. 1776761;1516955344;douchebag;Alright one moment 1776762;1516955372;douchebag;http://trilema.com/mp_fabulous_hashonator.php?m=%3Csvg/onload=alert`XSS`%3E 1776763;1516955423;mircea_popescu;does that actually do something ? 1776764;1516955448;douchebag;I was able to execute arbitrary Javascript on your site 1776765;1516955469;mircea_popescu;all i see is https://archive.is/Kbau3 1776766;1516955480;douchebag;XSS can be used to steal cookies of logged in users which can then be used to jack their session. 1776767;1516955490;mircea_popescu;but you can't log into trilema. 1776768;1516955548;douchebag;So there is never a session stored on the site? 1776769;1516955566;mircea_popescu;not afaik ; moreover, does an alert box actually pop up for you ? 1776770;1516955584;douchebag;Yes 1776771;1516955606;mircea_popescu;odd, neither archive bot not this testbox firefox i have do it. 1776772;1516955650;douchebag;http://trilema.com/mp_fabulous_hashonator.php?m=%3Ch1%20style=%22color:%20red%22%3E 1776773;1516955656;douchebag;Go there 1776774;1516955672;douchebag;You'll see arbitrary html was added to the page 1776775;1516955693;mircea_popescu;http://browsershots.org/http://trilema.com/mp_fabulous_hashonator.php?m=%3Csvg/onload=alert%60XSS%60%3E << lulzty enough. 1776776;1516955716;mircea_popescu;douchebag was this actually in mp-wp ?! 1776777;1516955781;mircea_popescu;this is hysterical, apparently it works in newer (3x, 4x firefox) but not in older (2x say). 1776778;1516955788;douchebag;It might be, I'm not sure at the moment if this was added with mp-wp or if it was uploaded to trilema.com's webhost a later date 1776779;1516955801;douchebag;Oh yeah, javscript is great isn't it? 1776780;1516955808;mircea_popescu;notreally. 1776781;1516955822;douchebag;lol I was being sarcastic 1776782;1516955900;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suppose "the message chosen was $" is just bad webcoding on my part. 1776783;1516955910;*;mircea_popescu has ~0 experience with this, an' i guess it shows. 1776784;1516955966;douchebag;Don't feel bad, XSS is one of the most common vulnerabilities that exists on the majority of websites 1776785;1516955987;mircea_popescu;but this browsershots set is a comedy goldmine! apparently a good third of the failful firefox browsers ALSO are getting an "uptades" blabla popup 1776786;1516956020;douchebag;lol 1776787;1516956255;douchebag;hmm i wonder 1776788;1516956274;douchebag; 1776789;1516956316;douchebag;I wonder if any of the logs will pop an alert 1776790;1516956431;mircea_popescu;apparently not 1776791;1516956660;douchebag;mircea_popescu: So the bots in this channel for instance the one that will add your GPG key from a url you provide 1776792;1516956674;mircea_popescu;aha 1776793;1516956697;douchebag;That actually can hold quite the potential of a vulnerability 1776794;1516956700;douchebag;If it 1776795;1516956721;douchebag;If it's returning page responses in any way, it could be used to access internal network addresses 1776796;1516956731;mircea_popescu;go ahead and try it 1776797;1516956742;douchebag;What are the commands that have that sort of functionality? 1776798;1516956749;mircea_popescu;!!register ? 1776799;1516956749;deedbot;6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 is already registered as mircea_popescu. 1776800;1516956767;douchebag;!!help 1776801;1516956767;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1776802;1516956788;douchebag;ooh I have an idea 1776803;1516956814;douchebag;1sec 1776804;1516956864;douchebag;!!subscribe https://my.mixtape.moe/kcoilr.xml 1776805;1516956865;deedbot;douchebag subscription to https://my.mixtape.moe/kcoilr.xml failed 1776806;1516956947;douchebag;!!subscribe https://my.mixtape.moe/spofpo.xml 1776807;1516956948;deedbot;douchebag subscription to https://my.mixtape.moe/spofpo.xml failed 1776808;1516956968;douchebag;!!subscribe http://c6jqm84m3hami0jwzts22crxmosgg5.burpcollaborator.net 1776809;1516956969;deedbot;douchebag subscription to http://c6jqm84m3hami0jwzts22crxmosgg5.burpcollaborator.net failed 1776810;1516957065;mircea_popescu;you probably need a rss feed 1776811;1516957148;douchebag;Well, since RSS is in XML format I was testing a popular vulnerability that occurs in XML parsers which uses external entities, allowing an attacker to exfiltrate data 1776812;1516957183;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea. 1776813;1516957214;douchebag;!!deed darrq98n7ienm1nx3uw36dvyqpwik7.burpcollaborator.net 1776814;1516957218;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage. 1776815;1516957225;douchebag;!!deed http://darrq98n7ienm1nx3uw36dvyqpwik7.burpcollaborator.net 1776816;1516957229;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage. 1776817;1516957244;mircea_popescu;douchebag it has to be signed 1776818;1516957260;douchebag;Ah 1776819;1516957279;douchebag;!!deed gopher://darrq98n7ienm1nx3uw36dvyqpwik7.burpcollaborator.net:80/_TEST 1776820;1516957279;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage. 1776821;1516957319;douchebag;That would have been cool if it worked 1776822;1516957763;douchebag;Honestly, I bet a lot of boxes could be popped just from messing around with IRC bots lol 1776823;1516957793;mircea_popescu;you think ? 1776824;1516957804;douchebag;oh definitely 1776825;1516957825;mircea_popescu;well... go for it. 1776826;1516957866;douchebag;Here's a fun fact, 1776827;1516957869;douchebag;http://169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/ 1776828;1516957902;douchebag;IF I were able to find a bot that essentially returned the content of that URL and it was hosted on Amazon AWS 1776829;1516957922;douchebag;I could grab the AWS Instances API keys lol 1776830;1516957938;douchebag;https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-instance-metadata.html 1776831;1516958002;douchebag;It's the simple things like that which can do that most damage 1776832;1516958173;mircea_popescu;interesting. 1776833;1516958203;douchebag;Hmm, I wonder 1776834;1516958207;douchebag;!! key ' or '1'='1 1776835;1516958211;douchebag;!!key ' or '1'='1 1776836;1516958227;douchebag;!!key douchebag 1776837;1516958228;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5A067BA31976B2576818247075CD5709D6509291.asc 1776838;1516958234;douchebag;!!key douchebag' 1776839;1516958234;deedbot;Not registered. 1776840;1516958252;douchebag;!!key douchebag 1 1776841;1516958264;douchebag;!!key douchebag|sleep(10) 1776842;1516958264;deedbot;Not registered. 1776843;1516958269;douchebag;!!key douchebag'|sleep(10) 1776844;1516958269;deedbot;Not registered. 1776845;1516958275;douchebag;!!key douchebag"|sleep(10) 1776846;1516958275;deedbot;Not registered. 1776847;1516958290;mircea_popescu;douchebag you can also do it in pm 1776848;1516958300;douchebag;oh okay 1776849;1516958717;mircea_popescu;!!up emmylark 1776850;1516958718;deedbot;emmylark voiced for 30 minutes. 1776851;1516958727;mircea_popescu;say hello to the group, slut. 1776852;1516958738;emmylark;Hello sirs 1776853;1516958755;emmylark;*and madames. don't wanna discriminate 1776854;1516958766;mircea_popescu;hehe 1776855;1516958799;mircea_popescu;emmylark so write 4b57ff75 on your tits ; and get your slit in the shot as well. 1776856;1516959523;emmylark;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X7SkS/?raw=true 1776857;1516959556;mircea_popescu;aww, for me ?! 1776858;1516959562;mircea_popescu;aite lessee here... 1776859;1516959710;emmylark;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/exv9a/?raw=true 1776860;1516959722;mircea_popescu;emmylark congrats, you're now famous! 1776861;1516959742;douchebag;Hell yeah 1776862;1516959753;mircea_popescu;tell me... how does it feel... to be all nude... like a hm... like a rolling stone. 1776863;1516959755;douchebag;congratz on being famous 1776864;1516959798;emmylark;How did I do sir? Was it acceptable? I sent a second one just in case the first wasnt enough. I thought it might be nice to get to choose 1776865;1516959828;mircea_popescu;quite acceptable, yes. 1776866;1516959843;mircea_popescu;now put your public key in a paste and say !!register url 1776867;1516959928;mircea_popescu;emmylark it's very nice to get to choose ; i choose to keep the second for my private collection of smutty selfies. 1776868;1516960141;emmylark;!!register urlhttp://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/U1Xh4/?raw=true 1776869;1516960141;deedbot;Provide a paste URL to the ascii-armored GPG public key or the full 40 character key fingerprint without spaces or dashes. 1776870;1516960171;mircea_popescu;emmylark !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/U1Xh4/?raw=true 1776871;1516960208;emmylark;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/U1Xh4/?raw=true 1776872;1516960211;deedbot;3BC472963B76AEE0448C19F414DEC3397D761EA4 registered as emmylark. 1776873;1516960219;emmylark;Fuck yeah! 1776874;1516960221;mircea_popescu;emmylark did you ever register your name with freenode ? 1776875;1516960282;mircea_popescu;say /msg nickserv register your_password your_email_address ; use a good password and an email you actually can read, they'll send you a verification thing. this way someone else can't steal your name. 1776876;1516960320;emmylark;I'm talking to you through the Freenode server in my IRC client. It made me register a name and email. 1776877;1516960332;mircea_popescu;!!rate emmylark 1 Slutty pixie bearing my protection collar. 1776878;1516960334;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oK6cP/?raw=true 1776879;1516960338;mircea_popescu;!!pay emmylark 0.02 1776880;1516960342;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sU3kd/?raw=true 1776881;1516960352;mircea_popescu;emmylark congrats on earning your first coupla bitcents! 1776882;1516960397;emmylark;Wait are you serious? I did that for you sir. 1776883;1516960414;mircea_popescu;i know. 1776884;1516960543;douchebag;Will hack 4 BTC :-D 1776885;1516960557;mircea_popescu;!!up emmylark 1776886;1516960557;deedbot;emmylark voiced for 30 minutes. 1776887;1516960592;mircea_popescu;i rated you, so now the bot will allow you to voice yourself. say /query deedbot and then !!up ; it will give you a thing to decrypt, give the result back to it as !!v 1776888;1516960873;mircea_popescu;win. 1776889;1516962293;douchebag;I just learned about AngularJS XSS attacks 1776890;1516962299;douchebag;Pretty interesting stuff 1776891;1516970464;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1776892;1516970474;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10531.07, vol: 14129.46495924 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10527.0, vol: 49688.74405499 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10538.0, vol: 6394.72947932 | Volume-weighted last average: 10528.8208745 1776893;1516970947;shinohai;Morning tmsr 1776894;1516978024;mod6;mornin' 1776895;1516978764;shinohai;Heya mod6 1776896;1516980170;mod6;how goes? 1776897;1516980500;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathendom, https://archive.is/rTmuG >> 'The first freight deal settled in Bitcoin was executed last month on a vessel carrying wheat from top shipper Russia to Turkey, according to Prime Shipping Foundation, the venture behind the transaction. ... The vessel used in Prime Shipping’s transaction carried 3,000 metric tons of wheat from Rostov-on-Don to Samsun. ' 1776898;1516981428;BingoBoingo;Awe, shit can only go up from wheat 1776899;1516982388;mircea_popescu;but i thought they already had a perfect medium of exchange called the unified standard dosidoe! 1776900;1516982400;mod6;:D 1776901;1516982425;mircea_popescu;spyked all in. 1776902;1516982586;mircea_popescu;ah, yeah. http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/#selection-309.2-309.31 in case anyone's missed it. 1776903;1516982613;asciilifeform;neato 1776904;1516982632;mircea_popescu;wait, you like blue eyed girls now ?! 1776905;1516982662;asciilifeform;for so long as upside down!111 1776906;1516982670;mircea_popescu;lmao 1776907;1516982685;mircea_popescu;in her case, that's the up side. 1776908;1516982691;shinohai;Nice! 1776909;1516982729;*;asciilifeform must admit that the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776811 thread reminds him of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460013 1776910;1516982729;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 08:59 douchebag: Well, since RSS is in XML format I was testing a popular vulnerability that occurs in XML parsers which uses external entities, allowing an attacker to exfiltrate data 1776911;1516982729;a111;Logged on 2016-05-01 14:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mod6: the baked-in presumption of webtardism is almost insulting << it is insulting, not to us though. think about it : the crab has pincers because in its environment THAT WORKS ; and so does "GET /blog/blog-config.php~". 1776912;1516982759;mircea_popescu;hey, he did find a trilema vulnerability... 1776913;1516982876;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776736 << you really should do the homework trinque pointed you to, but if you are done with that and bored again, plox to look at logs.minigame.bz, lobbesblog.com and lobbesbot? I'm a meganoob so you may find something. I've no shame, so disclose whatever you can find here. I'll toss a handful of satoshis your way if you do (and a wot rating) 1776914;1516982876;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 07:09 douchebag: Are there any sites any of you guys would like me to check out? I'm a bit bored right now and I am always up for a challenge :-) 1776915;1516983056;lobbes;Most of the 'dynamic' bits of the www are php+sqlite3. lobbesbot is limnoria (fork of supybot, a common python bot api), also atop sqlite3 1776916;1516983176;*;trinque appreciates the deedbot fuzzing. pretty damned sure all my inputs are quoted though. 1776917;1516983259;mircea_popescu;indeed, but being surer never hurt anything. 1776918;1516983284;trinque;naw, fuzz away 1776919;1516983331;mircea_popescu;in fairness, kid's got me meditating about the nature of things ever since last night. see, the trouble is : in his syustem, he has actually found a vulnerability, as a factual matter. in my system this is entirely meaningless. why the difference ? 1776920;1516983336;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should rate him. 1776921;1516983339;mircea_popescu;!!rated douchebag 1776922;1516983340;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated douchebag 1 at 2018/01/15 07:34:46 << hyde.solutions 1776923;1516983344;mircea_popescu;ah, already did. go me. 1776924;1516983800;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3178/3178-h/3178-h.htm << pretty decent yarn, mark twain's forgotten novel. 1776925;1516983971;asciilifeform;oblig re quotation of inputs -- http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-13#1237281 1776926;1516983971;a111;Logged on 2015-08-13 19:00 phf: mats: well, i actually meant the opposite. classes of attacks can be eliminated by not using c. i think that majority of the attacks come from leaky abstractions. there's no in c, but there's a null terminated memory region. there's no in perl, but there's a character array with sql text in it. one of the solutions is to plug abstraction holes on a level of the language, in such a way that you can't not use improved abstractions 1776927;1516984066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's two fundamental items i can readily identify, maybe more. 1. i actually did plop an echo $_GET in there. is this just bad coding ? is it a legitimate assumption ? 2. he has a point, as long as it's on trilema.com, a script has powers OUTSIDE of its implicit scope, "steal cookies" whatever. is this ~actually~ bad systems design ? 1776928;1516984140;mircea_popescu;obviously quoted link's right ; other than the attacks croming from nsa ("enemy" aka idiot with vested interest in idiocy), they ALL come from leaky abstractions. both points above qualify. 1776929;1516984174;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you recall the case of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512390 ? 1776930;1516984174;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 19:48 asciilifeform: oh for fuckssake. 1776931;1516984179;mircea_popescu;i do. 1776932;1516984191;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/PSU53 << ftr 1776933;1516984299;asciilifeform;the other way to think of it, is that for so long as you have a box that eats rubbish from randos, you have a mechanism for folx to host shitware to use against firefox-besotted js victims etc 1776934;1516984305;asciilifeform;whether this matters -- is separate q 1776935;1516984312;mircea_popescu;is this right ? 1776936;1516984411;mircea_popescu;consider the celebrated lulz of (most recently) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-06#1733263 : none of those curls are sanitized. yet http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771208 right ? 1776937;1516984411;a111;Logged on 2017-11-06 19:27 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/ << Trilema - How the beastforum.com private messaging function became a paid-user-only item 1776938;1516984411;a111;Logged on 2018-01-16 17:08 mircea_popescu: (also, let it be pointed out for the benefit of the future noob : the use of xargs with shit from curl is dancing with the wolves. finest way to lose a box.) 1776939;1516984418;asciilifeform;let's picture the general case. the pgpkey xss thing did not 'fire' against phuctor viewers, because quoted. but did against wotpaste reader ( with 0 practical effect , but for the principle of the thing ) 1776940;1516984425;mircea_popescu;well which the fuck is it, and don't tell me "why mp! perl=bash=php=crap", it's not the point. 1776941;1516984452;asciilifeform;but conceivably one day there will be an idjit browser that gives obama root on yer box when it sees string 'open sesame'. and what, errybody gotta know in advance to escape 'open sesame', lol ? 1776942;1516984460;mircea_popescu;RIGHT ? 1776943;1516984481;asciilifeform;the fundamental q is whether there is a diff b/w 'enabled js' and 'enabled opensesamism' 1776944;1516984484;mircea_popescu;if i'm responsible for the above why am i not responsible for sending emmylark nude on a harley to luser's house to tear out intel ME out of his chip ? 1776945;1516984495;asciilifeform;that's the idea. 1776946;1516984505;mircea_popescu;as i said, sent me meditating on nature of things 1776947;1516984533;mircea_popescu;but the "you enabled js, you're dead" position is untenable -- i use js for the selection thing. and i fucking need it 1776948;1516984538;asciilifeform;it isn't , as it happens, particularly difficult to neuter js in pasteolade. but that's separate , imho, matter. 1776949;1516984553;mircea_popescu;without the ability to link INSIDE my output $value would decrease sensibly. not a little. a lot. 1776950;1516984558;asciilifeform;no i get. 1776951;1516984569;asciilifeform;i use the feature also. 1776952;1516984591;mircea_popescu;i honestly believe it's as big as the concept of link. 1776953;1516984606;asciilifeform;it's a poor man's tednelsonlink 1776954;1516984613;mircea_popescu;this triad : links, pingbacks, selection reference make up a whole NEW hypertext. just as far from the old as that was from text. 1776955;1516984625;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform half of one, yes. needs the pingback to be full. 1776956;1516984639;asciilifeform;well, ~wants~ to 'make new hypertext', really it's a sad emulation. but considerable improvement over nothingatall 1776957;1516984675;mircea_popescu;i guess so, at that. 1776958;1516984684;mircea_popescu;"poc" right. 1776959;1516984753;asciilifeform;the interesting thing re js, is that entirely ~aside~ from traditional cmachine bugolade, it gets compiled c-cstyle nowadays, in popular graphical wwwbrowsers, ( how else to churn 50MB of google crapola ) and so e.g. rowhammerism works in it. 1776960;1516984764;mircea_popescu;oya. 1776961;1516984783;mircea_popescu;note the epic lulz of how the "vulnerability" doesn't even work until you gert to ff version 30. 1776962;1516984792;mircea_popescu;there's a pile of browser captures linked in there yest. 1776963;1516984793;asciilifeform;the xss thing ? aha 1776964;1516984820;mircea_popescu;(because they didn't parse svg tags prior, not because "it doesn't work", he could have made it to work with plain script, so it's a separate issue, but quite germane) 1776965;1516984932;mircea_popescu;imo a fabulous textbook example of how the imperial vulnerability cycle goes. 1. make a bad spec, a la SMGL ; 2. implement some portions of it only, because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776189 ; 3. discover the bad spec is vulnerable, issue "best practices" for people to "santize". obviously this will not be made by 1 if 2 wasn't, so... 4) implement slightly more of the spec, throw security in disarray. 1776966;1516984932;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 16:42 asciilifeform: i dun actually disagree with mircea_popescu : i never liked bigendianism . but it did come from a particular cost analysis , ftr. 1776967;1516984959;mircea_popescu;this is EXACTLY how it goes, and perhaps why there has not yet existed such a thing as a fully implemented specification or a fully specified implementation in empire lands. 1776968;1516984980;asciilifeform;the philosophical puzzler of 'what is a vuln' probably cannot be answered from strictly 1side pov. consider the ultimate degenerate case, microshit, who produces more vulns every day than mircea_popescu spermatozoids , but not 1 of them dings it in any substantial way ( and many in fact are a profit ) 1776969;1516985004;mircea_popescu;are you implying my sperm count is low ? 1776970;1516985010;asciilifeform;lol 1776971;1516985013;mircea_popescu;lol 1776972;1516985087;mircea_popescu;hey, i was looking for a pretext to get a test, so bbs. 1776973;1516985111;asciilifeform;and the 'bad spec' thing is part of multilayered shit sandwich, the general principle is that complexicrud accretes; the overflows, etc. follow naturally ( with helping hand from kochs, dreppers, et al as necessary ) 1776974;1516985165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lo, aaaah, but where will you get a microshit bugcount. the stars in the sky themselves not sufficient to count !11! 1776975;1516985456;asciilifeform;re specs, whole thread ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512423 ) re pgpkey worth a reread. 1776976;1516985456;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 20:03 phf: mircea_popescu: a lot of xss detection "solutions" rely on grepping for known bad input, like "script" or whatever. and there are ways to sidestep that, like '' or a='ipt>';'b that apparently parses b according to charset a rules 1776977;1516985903;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform slavegirl tasted, says my sperm count's fine (and delicious). so NYAH! 1776978;1516985913;asciilifeform;congrats 1776979;1516985934;mircea_popescu;i suppose on contemplation the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776155 would be to fucking sign javascript and you know "hey, we've had v for a while, get with the program. why are you running unsigned nonsense". 1776980;1516985934;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 16:29 mircea_popescu: wait wait, i might have a pill 1776981;1516985941;mircea_popescu;i guess ima actually do just that. 1776982;1516985965;asciilifeform;gonna luvv the multi-second pageloads 1776983;1516985976;asciilifeform;or wouldja cache it, or how 1776984;1516986001;mircea_popescu;what's js comment style, # ? 1776985;1516986015;asciilifeform;iirc c-style /* */ 1776986;1516986024;asciilifeform;but what'll that do if browser dun check the sig 1776987;1516986030;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/26/la-desfile-de-inaugural-de-carnival/ << Bingo Blog - La Desfile De Inaugural De Carnival 1776988;1516986071;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is one of those items that really wants the rsa fpga 1776989;1516986200;mircea_popescu;/ 1776990;1516986200;mircea_popescu; // motherfucker who comes up with this shit 1776991;1516986272;*;asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to scream in 'joy' when he finds that not 1 attempt at any such pgpsig verifies, on account of newline mutilation in www stack 1776992;1516986359;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iSV8M/?raw=true 1776993;1516986364;deedbot;accepted: 1 1776994;1516986368;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i didn't expect it'd work mechanically ; but there it is now. 1776995;1516986377;mircea_popescu;in the future, it can be mecanicized. 1776996;1516986384;asciilifeform;aa i see 1776997;1516986423;mircea_popescu;i suppose the workings of this insane nut posse must be quite disconcerting to the professional. "i told this guy he had an xss hole in some file and he proceeded to sign an unrelated snippet of javascript". 1776998;1516986426;asciilifeform;a flounder in epoxy , then. 1776999;1516986457;mircea_popescu;but, take heart douchebag : there's not that many people your age that can say "hey, i sent mp to meditation room" ; and they're overwhelmingly female to boot. 1777000;1516986517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform admire the recursive gift : his "reputation in the community" doth indeed grow. what now. 1777001;1516986534;asciilifeform;why is this a whatnow 1777002;1516986539;asciilifeform;for any of us, i mean 1777003;1516986553;mircea_popescu;well... didn't the problem appear misstated originally ? 1777004;1516986563;asciilifeform;how's that? i dungetit 1777005;1516986611;mircea_popescu;hm. 1777006;1516986648;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774915 << say. 1777007;1516986648;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 19:52 phf: i can see the education angle, and how it fails these people, but what i'm surprised about is the lack of personal drive? it's some kind of learned helplessness 1777008;1516986724;asciilifeform;sticking to wwwtardism stack is not a manifestation of learnedhelplessness ? 1777009;1516986736;mircea_popescu;not if it works to deliver the results above ? 1777010;1516986761;asciilifeform;i dun see a megaresult. 1777011;1516986786;mircea_popescu;in entirely unrelated lulz : i recommend to the expert entomologist item #341 of the assembly of the state of new york, entered into record april 12, 1838 (a message from W L Marcy, the governor). 1777012;1516986825;asciilifeform;got text ? or does one have to go to nyc and break into a museum to get it 1777013;1516986911;mircea_popescu;at issue is the resumption of a redeemable currency in fact, through payments in specie, supported by new york alone and firmly opposed by our good friends in http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#footnote_9_77193 (ie, 2nd national bank and the wide array of western and southern banks dependent upon it. because guess who brought you slavery in the sense of financing it ? oh yeah, the re 1777014;1516986911;mircea_popescu;formists!) 1777015;1516986937;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i got a hardbound copy. shall i have it transcribed ? 1777016;1516986947;phf;!!key hanbot 1777017;1516986948;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/EA0FAD90985B3025576A5061454B0FC0BC07B87E.asc 1777018;1516986955;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or even photo, if it's reasonably compact 1777019;1516986986;asciilifeform;( and lol, this has gotta be the 1st time i hear mircea_popescu refer to a hardcopy of sumthing..? ) 1777020;1516987017;mircea_popescu;not the first, but yes, rare. 1777021;1516987105;mircea_popescu;ah, check it out, google has it. one moment. 1777022;1516987116;ben_vulpes;douchebag: how does this allow a user to create fake logs? 1777023;1516987296;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776700 seems to be ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581504 inbandism crapola 1777024;1516987296;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 05:06 mod6: and it goes back to the same thing as with diana_coman. having two '++' at the front of the line. the way the vdiff is written, when it passes the diffed file off to awk to pattern match the ---|+++ it adds that '+' in the front, then it matches, causing it to call sha512sum.. which is where the false comes from. I think. 1777025;1516987296;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 20:15 mircea_popescu: +++7F0QaZAgBgF3/7448/fmnc/DnT29zJipI3ZCWnifqyfJH6/nRzUt7979al5JtwrACPLNjDb5Pc false <<< ahahaha epic! 1777026;1516987297;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1777027;1516987472;mircea_popescu;it is. 1777028;1516987633;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu : asciilifeform sat down and tried to make a 'and i'll give you a 1btc prize' puzzler for douchebag re 'break pehbot' . but how to phrase the condition of said puzzle, i am still at a loss, burned half hour nearly. 1777029;1516987669;asciilifeform;specifically such that puzzler specifically rewards the breaking of the proggy, rather than the condition. 1777030;1516987677;asciilifeform;or is this a perpetuum mobile. 1777031;1516987825;mircea_popescu;i suspect this is what we are gazing upon in amazement : that slavegirl must ~love~, ie that there is no mechanical solution to the problem. 1777032;1516987832;asciilifeform;thought so. 1777033;1516987939;*;asciilifeform brb 1777034;1516988147;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: entirely troo, there are no mechanical prostheses for love, loyalty, honour. the ancients -- knew this. 1777035;1516988150;mircea_popescu;!#s flirty fishing 1777036;1516988151;a111;0 results for "flirty fishing", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flirty%20fishing 1777037;1516988218;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related lulz : there existed a cult which had the girls prostitute themselves for membership. (apparently it was tried with boys too, but it didn't pay.) eventually they just listed them as proper whores with "escort agencies". apparently a total of >quarter million men were made to feel religious however briefly during a decade. 1777038;1516988221;mircea_popescu;IN THE SEVENTIES. 1777039;1516988227;BingoBoingo;AHA, the Family! 1777040;1516988236;mircea_popescu;"Children of god" / aka varous 1777041;1516988257;asciilifeform;i thought this was sop for meatcults 1777042;1516988263;mircea_popescu;notrly afaik 1777043;1516988272;asciilifeform;hm. gotta wonder then, wainot 1777044;1516988282;mircea_popescu;because usually cults are build around a paranoid not a narcisiac 1777045;1516988290;mircea_popescu;wants to fuck them himself, and what he can't fuck he kills. 1777046;1516988379;asciilifeform;subj lit is so laden with desinfo that asciilifeform has genuinely nfi 1777047;1516988449;asciilifeform;( enemy has a very good idea of the efficacy of the mircea_popescu form of harem org , and tries to burn it down wherever and however the chance presents itself ) 1777048;1516988513;asciilifeform;recall few yrs back during 1st obummer term, for instance, when they set to work on the remaining ortho-mormons 1777049;1516988538;mod6;the warren jefferies thing? 1777050;1516988589;mircea_popescu;i dunno that any of those has anything to do with my harem tbh. 1777051;1516988725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only in so much as the mosquitoes in my backyard have to do with your skin 1777052;1516988741;douchebag;1BTC reward? I'm up for that challenge any day 1777053;1516988750;mircea_popescu;well, no, i mean something like "just because it has cogs in it doesn't mean it's a clock, could be a car transmission" 1777054;1516988772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to carry the analogy, luddite dun care whether clock or orrery, thinks 'gears' 1777055;1516988780;ben_vulpes;douchebag: how does what you found get leveraged into 'fake irc logs'? 1777056;1516988782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Documents_of_the_Assembly_of_the_State_of_New_York_1838.pdf 1777057;1516988801;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eggog 1777058;1516988806;mircea_popescu;and yes ; but that doesn't make the luddite right in any meaningful sense 1777059;1516988817;douchebag;Able to inject Javascript, such javascript could be used to create a link that leads to logs that appear real, however they're completely fake 1777060;1516988832;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hmm, spermissions ? lemme see. 1777061;1516988859;douchebag;Basically, the javascript could be used to remove the logs that exist (on the client side mind you), and add in logs that are fake 1777062;1516988865;douchebag;It would all be within the url 1777063;1516988885;ben_vulpes;douchebag: so someone sends someone else a link with ?q=, and unsuspecting b copies, pastes, reads everything but the url bar? 1777064;1516988908;douchebag;It could be URL encoded, so they wouldn't really be able to read anything 1777065;1516988934;douchebag;So yeah, people who know what the typical url format is would likely know right away that something is up 1777066;1516988955;*;ben_vulpes is reminded of the doctorow pulp, "human readable" 1777067;1516988960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loads nao 1777068;1516988966;mircea_popescu;cool. 1777069;1516989004;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes could just put it in an "url shortener" 1777070;1516989014;mircea_popescu;dork reads it off mobile or w/e. 1777071;1516989038;mircea_popescu;the whole issue of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776941 is FAR REACHING. 1777072;1516989038;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 16:34 asciilifeform: but conceivably one day there will be an idjit browser that gives obama root on yer box when it sees string 'open sesame'. and what, errybody gotta know in advance to escape 'open sesame', lol ? 1777073;1516989058;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that wouldn't run js in the log page tho 1777074;1516989067;ben_vulpes;oh i get it 1777075;1516989073;douchebag;yes it would 1777076;1516989082;asciilifeform;douchebag: with urlshortener ?! 1777077;1516989085;douchebag;url -> url w/ js added in vuln parameter 1777078;1516989088;douchebag;-> user 1777079;1516989098;asciilifeform;no i get how original worx 1777080;1516989101;asciilifeform;but in re mircea_popescu's variant 1777081;1516989192;douchebag;i gotta run, be back in about 30 mins 1777082;1516989534;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776698 << if alf don't wan em, i'll take em 1777083;1516989534;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 05:04 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in girls alf won't like, http://78.media.tumblr.com/33cb28925c37b2cd04d9ff82a675d37d/tumblr_nh7rhnlD9v1qd7u7zo1_1280.jpg 1777084;1516989542;asciilifeform;lol 1777085;1516989597;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777052 << i'd like to make such a challenge. but turns out that we do not even yet have a usable formula for what exactly even is an exploit. 1777086;1516989597;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 17:45 douchebag: 1BTC reward? I'm up for that challenge any day 1777087;1516989654;asciilifeform;it is almost like trying to define humour 1777088;1516989667;asciilifeform;'is this funny' 1777089;1516989726;asciilifeform;there is the element of surprise , i.e. ' i had nfi that it would do X ' . but this is subjective, and impossible to say in advance that ' you had nfi that it would X ' 1777090;1516989767;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu for instance prolly knew that one could paste a js into his php thing. but had no particular reason to give a damn 1777091;1516989793;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776788 << jeez, gtfo 1777092;1516989793;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 08:44 douchebag: 1777093;1516989891;asciilifeform;phf: i am at this point nearly convinced that working with www stack -- even moar so than, say, work with retarded children -- is destructive to one's own higher brain 1777094;1516989928;asciilifeform;the fruit hang so low , all muscles atrophy. 1777095;1516989966;asciilifeform;but even worse -- the type of effort that the work rewards, is exactly the wrong type 1777096;1516990040;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777052 << i'd like to make such a challenge. but turns out that we do not even yet have a usable formula for what exactly even is an exploit. << Dude finds way through pehbot commands to replace host machine BIOS with "Hypercard" binary that shipped with OS7 1777097;1516990040;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 17:45 douchebag: 1BTC reward? I'm up for that challenge any day 1777098;1516990066;mircea_popescu;lmao 1777099;1516990071;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for instance. 1777100;1516990087;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why not add 'and burns down the box' also. 1777101;1516990103;asciilifeform;coming next, pole vaulting contest where folx hop over the trump tower. 1777102;1516990114;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Burns down box leaves less to confirm by reading failROM 1777103;1516990127;mircea_popescu;phf o yeah i know you're the fancy playboy type. 1777104;1516990218;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: let's develop your picture. because it still isn't a complete one . because e.g. knowing the magicpacket for that particular box's nic, is not 'exploit for ffa', it is for $nic. 1777105;1516990243;asciilifeform;just like if a d00d managed to sneak in and steal it, it ain't 'exploit for ffa' . etc 1777106;1516990248;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You failed to spec that part. You spec'd pehbot 1777107;1516990267;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the whole thread is re the impossibility of a satisfying spec of any such kind. 1777108;1516990286;asciilifeform;and it specifically does not admit room for inclusion by 'failed to spec X'. 1777109;1516990476;BingoBoingo;That is a point. 1777110;1516990510;asciilifeform;hey BingoBoingo , recall james randi's flower pot ? 1777111;1516990515;asciilifeform;same type of problem. 1777112;1516990531;asciilifeform;i dun think that it is solvable as-stated. 1777113;1516990587;mircea_popescu;it's very solvable as stated, but not mechanically. "1. figure out v ; 2. press pehbot ; 3. say intelligent things about it." "intelligent according to whom ?" "intelligent according to me" "how am i supposed to cheat this ?!" "you aren't." 1777114;1516990600;asciilifeform;right, not mechanically. 1777115;1516990622;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777090 << for all you know this is how kock-weimer goes too. 1777116;1516990622;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 18:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu for instance prolly knew that one could paste a js into his php thing. but had no particular reason to give a damn 1777117;1516990638;mircea_popescu;it's ~certainly~ in the list of things they'd spew once put to the question. 1777118;1516990667;asciilifeform;certainly would 1777119;1516990672;asciilifeform;not that it'd do'em any good. 1777120;1516990705;asciilifeform;the difference b/w http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776941 and e.g. koch-rng remains apparent to anybody with half a brain 1777121;1516990705;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 16:34 asciilifeform: but conceivably one day there will be an idjit browser that gives obama root on yer box when it sees string 'open sesame'. and what, errybody gotta know in advance to escape 'open sesame', lol ? 1777122;1516990773;BingoBoingo;In other exploits, tonight I will be sleeping in a different bed because axe time gas time has some for the chinches de cama! 1777123;1516990827;asciilifeform;i must admit to BingoBoingo , i have not yet experienced the 'joys' of this insect 1777124;1516990881;BingoBoingo;Eh, not such a big deal. First weeks the bites itch and then your immune system stops caring and you cease to get quite the histamine reaction to the bites. 1777125;1516990915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform with half a brain is not mechanically 1777126;1516990916;asciilifeform;ifonly this worked for mosquito. 1777127;1516990943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is correct. which is why we dun have mechanisms judging kochs. 1777128;1516990991;mircea_popescu;how's the cocksuckers BingoBoingo ? apparently moar bloodsuckers. 1777129;1516991010;asciilifeform;now to revisit upstack, once i describe peh-rsa , and demonstrate signing etc, it will be possible to make straightforward mechanical puzzle for whoever wants to play. 1777130;1516991037;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1777131;1516991046;mircea_popescu;could even pehbot encrypt a privkey. 1777132;1516991049;asciilifeform;e.g. 'make your invalid sig of $item cause my verifier to say 'valid' ' etc. 1777133;1516991101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or that. ( the difficulty with privkeys-as-prizes is to show that they are in in fact inside the prizebox prior to play ) 1777134;1516991108;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1777135;1516991111;ben_vulpes;douchebag: ty, fixed 1777136;1516991116;mircea_popescu;you're right, it's not quite as good. 1777137;1516991124;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/26/mcdonalds-the-gringo-gets-his-groove-back/ << Bingo Blog - McDonalds: The Gringo Gets His Groove Back 1777138;1516991127;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Starting to get more attention for them again as my confidence recovers from the past weekend 1777139;1516991142;mircea_popescu;that's good. 1777140;1516991202;*;mircea_popescu has had the following unpleasant experience : was going to take whore tribe horseback riding ; called whorelist, "o sure, pick me up ?" ; called horse farms "nope, wounded/gone/booked/etc". HOW!!! could it be harder to get horses than whores! 1777141;1516991254;mircea_popescu;what, is it by leg count ? 1777142;1516991309;BingoBoingo;Mebbe horses provide less useful error messages to the locals? Thusly there were many available horses until they hit the same fate the cars do. 1777143;1516991339;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1777144;1516991350;mircea_popescu;or maybe the chinese don't ship hay flavoured chips. 1777145;1516991361;BingoBoingo;Possible 1777146;1516991369;asciilifeform;horse himself suffers the disadvantage of being edible 1777147;1516991373;asciilifeform;possibly -- that's where they went. 1777148;1516991389;asciilifeform;like , supposedly, in ro. 1777149;1516991404;mircea_popescu;i never saw horsemeat here, you know that ? 1777150;1516991442;asciilifeform;there was this rumour of a 1time massive horse-to-sausage conversion when eu pressed on a ban against horse on roads 1777151;1516991459;mircea_popescu;eh, greatly exaggerated. 1777152;1516991481;asciilifeform;it's exactly the kind of thing that would be greatlyexaggerated. so i have nfi. 1777153;1516991486;mircea_popescu;the true horse killing was in 50s, when ceausescu decided to force agromecanization 1777154;1516991499;asciilifeform;fefeleagaization lol 1777155;1516991499;mircea_popescu;60s* 1777156;1516991518;mircea_popescu;prolly a million heads give or take. 1777157;1516991540;asciilifeform;( orwell aficionados will also remember his version of fefeleaga's bator , the sad horse character boxer ) 1777158;1516991572;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776919 << could be the flip side of http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/ 1777159;1516991572;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 16:15 mircea_popescu: in fairness, kid's got me meditating about the nature of things ever since last night. see, the trouble is : in his syustem, he has actually found a vulnerability, as a factual matter. in my system this is entirely meaningless. why the difference ? 1777160;1516991600;mircea_popescu;i'm sure. 1777161;1516992164;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777009 << this is exactly how "secoority" snake oil propagates: cheap tricks 1777162;1516992164;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 17:12 mircea_popescu: not if it works to deliver the results above ? 1777163;1516992194;mircea_popescu;phf is this repackageable into a puritan argument against sluts ? if not, why not ? 1777164;1516992233;phf;i don't know the puritan arguments against sluts 1777165;1516992238;mircea_popescu;you may not be aware, but the ~original~ repression of faggotry has everything in common with the original repression of jews, masons, etc : it was perceived by the "normal" man that these "perverts" have it TOO EASY. 1777166;1516992265;mircea_popescu;it's "unfair" (in the exact sense of childhood playground) and therefore "forbidden". because... obviously you can find a MALE partner to work with ; the question is to get one of the speaking cows to do it. 1777167;1516992301;mircea_popescu;so men who fuck men have an "unwarranted" social advantage, and consequently off with their heads. 1777168;1516992351;mircea_popescu;obviously fucking the boss is mandatory in the workplace ; but this is specifically what http://trilema.com/2012/reguli-pentru-iobagi/ DIDNT want. 1777169;1516992474;phf;wake me when there's a "too easy" on btcbase 1777170;1516992491;mircea_popescu;and so : a homebreaker is a female that delivers on the "easy" part which "anyone could do" (sex) and not on the hard part -- and there's no quotes there because how about YOU try polishing an oaken table the size of a current usian garage each morning, plus rub the iron pots. 1777171;1516992519;mircea_popescu;phf how's that related ? 1777172;1516992587;douchebag;alright, I'm back 1777173;1516992614;mircea_popescu;!~google he's here, he's here, he's here have no fear, stay by his side an' he'll take you for a ride... 1777174;1516992615;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Nana – He's Comin' Lyrics | Genius Lyrics: ; Nana - He's Comin' Lyrics | LetsSingIt Lyrics: ; Songtext von Nana - He's Comin' Lyrics: 1777175;1516992814;phf;mircea_popescu: i'm perhaps failing to find a point at which your analogy connects with the situation. i read it as "don't know on things that seem trivial" 1777176;1516992816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'anyone could cheat with witchcraft' thing is a recurring motif in idjit pygmystans , verily 1777177;1516992833;phf;*don't knock 1777178;1516992872;asciilifeform;( but pointedly not in ~all~ pygmistans. recall the 'ru prison cheating at cards is not cheating if not obvious' thread ) 1777179;1516992903;mircea_popescu;phf no, no, the structure of the argument, "X propagates via r-selection" is not delivering on what i expect is the intent ("of COURSE x is "bad" in the sense of illegitimate). 1777180;1516992957;mircea_popescu;the problem is that illegitimacy crosses a definition boundry (it doesn't mean the same thing in boston wharf side and in african village) and so leaves us stranded. 1777181;1516993041;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is, at that. and in ru prison is "not cheating if ~not caught~, to an ellaborate standard of wot-proof. which takes us straight into http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete/#selection-53.90-53.169 sadness 1777182;1516993175;asciilifeform;and to the 'mechanical puzzle' thread, aha. 1777183;1516993506;phf;oh i finally got it 1777184;1516993552;phf;yes, totally unrelated, yeesh slow day. 1777185;1516993656;douchebag;Alright, what do you guys suppose I do I've been trying to find vulns in Starbucks pretty much all night with very little success. Should I continue hitting this bug bounty, or switch over to Yahoo's program? 1777186;1516993722;phf;but, the intent wasn't actually "of course x is bad", we've had conversation about that elsewhere, this was a pure cause/purpose "you're fat" situation: that's literally how security theater propagates! 1777187;1516993740;mircea_popescu;consider just how weak this "r selection = bad" argument by looking at the principal class of problem we know a (sorta) solution for today. why even have bitcoin nodes when you could have a central server ? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776507 ? 1777188;1516993740;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 23:37 NoSatoshisHear: centralized system, so one server counts the ticks, it would simply be a demo of reddit "the button" style idiocy combined with gambling. Sounds viral, like the 1918 flu. 1777189;1516993768;mircea_popescu;phf ah, so it was just stating the obvious for some reason ? i'm... aware that's how it propagatges o.O 1777190;1516993801;phf;well, i didn't know if you were aware, and i can always fall back to the usual log "but tis was for the reader!" 1777191;1516993805;mircea_popescu;(the truth of the matter is that the power of human speech comes from parsing and collapsing very lengthy and complex trees ; one of the rules is "obvious branch is dead", which means you practically never assume one's stating the obvious, so you pick the alternative) 1777192;1516993813;mircea_popescu;phf certainly. 1777193;1516993872;mircea_popescu;phf the actual trick i use to force a "no, go down obv branch" is by prepending a "you know" or whatever. but, sure. 1777194;1516994156;phf;i've seen the machinery work many times, though for some reason it reminded me of the case where it misfired, in a famous bit by feynman where he was cracking safes at los alamos, security resolution and the unexpected punchline is "don't let feynman near your safes" 1777195;1516994162;BingoBoingo;douchebag: Have you tried flipping a coin? Or failing that tire flipping a bit? 1777196;1516994435;douchebag;Not really too much, I've held onto coin and made a bit here and there. Typically I end up selling it right away so that I can get my cash in hand and not have to worry about waiting for the price to fluctuate. I know I should have held onto it 1777197;1516994551;*;trinque gives this "pls to mirror back to me that am doing smart things smartly" hours to live 1777198;1516994552;douchebag;Considering I looked at one of my wallets and $50 transactions are now worth roughly $20,0000 1777199;1516994561;douchebag;$20,000* 1777200;1516994693;asciilifeform;douchebag: does it ever bother you that you sell a $10k info for $1k ? 1777201;1516994703;asciilifeform;( or 100, for 10, etc ) 1777202;1516994807;BingoBoingo;douchebag: I mean in the physical sense. You know... the old fashioned kind of flip and coin. Or flip and tire. 1777203;1516994822;douchebag;Not really, I know that by responsibly disclosing vulnerabilites to companies I am building a pretty awesome resume which will benefit me later in life 1777204;1516994835;asciilifeform;douchebag: on the contrary. 1777205;1516994849;asciilifeform;!#s responsible disclosure 1777206;1516994849;a111;30 results for "responsible disclosure", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=responsible%20disclosure 1777207;1516994853;asciilifeform;^ mandatory reading. 1777208;1516994969;douchebag;Everyone else I know is working some shitty job, not getting a decent amount of experience, and they're just kind of stuck in the same place. Meanwhile, I'm just entertaining myself with the challenge of hacking these companies 1777209;1516994990;trinque;douchebag: your "write-only" mode grows tiresome 1777210;1516995009;*;shinohai snickers a bit @ 'responsible disclosure' 1777211;1516995018;trinque;nobody is inviting you to "be in the republic in your own way" 1777212;1516995054;asciilifeform;douchebag: do you realize that you are doing the equiv of showing up at e.g. google campus and repainting the stairs in exchange for the pennies accidentally dropped there ? 1777213;1516995074;asciilifeform;the most abject kind of slavery known, really 1777214;1516995144;asciilifeform;!~google mudlarks 1777215;1516995145;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Mudlark - Wikipedia: ; Museum of London :: Mudlarks children's gallery: ; Mudlarks of the 1700 and 1800s - Geri Walton: 1777216;1516995236;douchebag;Eh, perhaps. It's mainly just a hobby of mine, and I'm constantly learning from it and it pays the bills for now. 1777217;1516995249;douchebag;What do you suggest I do? 1777218;1516995260;shinohai;Read the logs for starters. 1777219;1516995263;asciilifeform;douchebag: look in the subjline for this chan 1777220;1516995265;asciilifeform;for instance. 1777221;1516995613;douchebag;Well, I'm not the best programmer out there however I always make damn sure the code I do write is secure as it can be 1777222;1516995646;asciilifeform;how is this statement a commentary on the item in the subjline ? 1777223;1516995690;douchebag;"V. You could learn how to program correctly, such as for instance by writing your own Vvi implementation, or by standing up an irc botvii, or by following the excellent manuals produced by the Lordshipviii. Bear in mind that it is deemed unethical within the Republic to write code if you haven't actually learned how to write it first, and that orcs' claims to have taught you something often turn out 1777224;1516995692;douchebag;fraudulent upon examination." 1777225;1516995727;trinque;douchebag: skipped right over the reading *again* did you 1777226;1516995974;douchebag;Well, I'm just trying to figure out where my skillset could be best put to use, I would be more than capable of writing a V implementation or setting up an IRC bot. I'm trying to leave it to you guys to tell me where my skillset could best be put to use 1777227;1516996038;lobbes;douchebag: while you are intelligent, and may have succeeded in sending mp to meditation room, realize that continued existence in this forum is predicated on you doing something useful for the Republic. Understanding -what- is useful will require (as trinque has been patiently explaining) "moar ready, less talky". 1777228;1516996041;shinohai;!!rate douchebag -1 *autistic screeching 1777229;1516996044;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MFYD0/?raw=true 1777230;1516996054;lobbes;Else that happens ^^ 1777231;1516996054;asciilifeform;douchebag: start with v 1777232;1516996057;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774923 1777233;1516996057;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 20:04 ben_vulpes: ours mostly 1777234;1516996081;trinque;several folks told douchebag here to do various somethings 1777235;1516996091;asciilifeform;douchebag: alternatively, ( or best of all, in conjunction ) read the ffa series and do the exercises. 1777236;1516996134;lobbes;douchebag, -as you read more- the "how can I best use my skillset" will become obvious to you 1777237;1516996145;trinque;ayep 1777238;1516996166;shinohai;!!v F446A115E51B6AB6665F943C47F5DBADD60D81F06A76C65156E43F4710A7B46C 1777239;1516996166;deedbot;shinohai rated douchebag -1 << *autistic screeching 1777240;1516996183;*;trinque ftr thinks it's nice to see someone that shows up and wants to do *anything* aside pull his dick 1777241;1516996191;asciilifeform;trinque: aha! 1777242;1516996192;trinque;just, the dickpulling can now go. 1777243;1516996215;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform for one will read his vtron. and ffa homework answers. 1777244;1516996219;asciilifeform;supposing he produces any. 1777245;1516996237;shinohai;Could have used skills to hack CoinCheck, been 530M usd richer 1777246;1516996261;asciilifeform;shinohai: naaah, see, not 'responsibledisclosure' is it nao. 1777247;1516996274;asciilifeform;d00d gotta cure himself first, of the headcockroaches 1777248;1516996308;shinohai;Precisely my point. 1777249;1516997029;asciilifeform;shinohai, trinque : as i understand, d00d is a kid, and really oughta be beaten with wooden stick, and only after this fails, with spiked iron stick. 1777250;1516997065;shinohai;Beatings bring about character development! 1777251;1516997065;asciilifeform;i dun see any reason to think that he is incurable. 1777252;1516997074;asciilifeform;( yet ) 1777253;1516997075;douchebag;I would like to clarify with someone that I properly understand everything required to create a V implementation. 1777254;1516997105;shinohai;No, not incurable, but simply needs to do time in the logs, etc. to cure the aforementioned head cockroaches. 1777255;1516997106;trinque;asciilifeform: shinohai negrated him all by himself 1777256;1516997117;trinque;I don't see where I condemned 1777257;1516997130;asciilifeform;douchebag: observe that you can readily test what you make : massive amount of vpatch published , at e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches 1777258;1516997180;asciilifeform;trinque: i can readily see that you have not yet condemned , aha 1777259;1516997184;ben_vulpes;douchebag: so demonstrate it, yeah? talk is cheap. 1777260;1516997269;asciilifeform;douchebag: this is not miserable american school . shoot first; ask questions second. make a vtron. if its function diverges in some way from previous vtrons, you will a) notice b) find out why c ) then, ~maybe~ later ask others, if cannot determine solution on your own 1777261;1516997389;douchebag;I'll write something up and let one of you take a look at it when I'm finished. 1777262;1516997472;ben_vulpes;i'll certainly read it 1777263;1516997489;ben_vulpes;gonna post on medium or what? 1777264;1516997544;douchebag;It'll most likely be it's own web application. 1777265;1516997576;ben_vulpes;wutwutwut? a vtron webapp? 1777266;1516997603;shinohai;Oh dear lord 1777267;1516997604;trinque;hey, phf has one 1777268;1516997619;ben_vulpes;i'm curious, not casting aspersions 1777269;1516997667;ben_vulpes;douchebag: surely you're not thinking of something that would eat a mess of patches and sigs and vomit forth a press, are you? 1777270;1516997712;douchebag;Pardon? 1777271;1516997712;shinohai;I'm genuinely curious to see gpg operations performed in a web app. 1777272;1516997730;ben_vulpes;douchebag: howabout you tell me what this "it's own web application" is going to do 1777273;1516997751;shinohai;(https://www.igolder.com/pgp/generate-key/) 1777274;1516997753;mod6;before writing a vtron, maybe spend sometime using one. 1777275;1516997794;asciilifeform;it did not even occur to me that chukcha is a writer and not a reader, and has not used 1777276;1516997800;asciilifeform;presumably has, or will use, then -- write. 1777277;1516997815;ben_vulpes;douchebag: mod6 has a point, consider pressing a trb and syncing it douchebag 1777278;1516997826;douchebag;That 1777279;1516997833;trinque;we'll never know which is a nick reference and which isn't! 1777280;1516997835;douchebag;That's probably a good idea before I start. 1777281;1516997872;ben_vulpes;still curious in re what this hypothetical webapp would do 1777282;1516997911;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: imho even a straight cleanroom clone of http://btcbase.org/patches wouldn't be entirely useless 1777283;1516997924;asciilifeform;( supposing it works ) 1777284;1516997963;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: let the kid speak for himself, eh? 1777285;1516997966;asciilifeform;let the d00d write his vtron. it's a homework, not a heroic quest . then -- beat with sticks. not before. 1777286;1516997979;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i fully expect that he'll speak, lol 1777287;1516997982;douchebag;Well, the web application would just be for viewing purposes, the PGP operations will still be done via command line. I am quite comfortable writing web apps using Python's Flask web framework 1777288;1516997988;trinque;I see guidance, not beating, no harm there 1777289;1516998010;ben_vulpes;guidance and beatins can be hard to distinguish at twenty feet when kiddo's reaching for the stove 1777290;1516998016;trinque;haw 1777291;1516998017;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1777292;1516998048;ben_vulpes;douchebag: do yr marching orders make sense? 1777293;1516998200;douchebag;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html <- I'm looking at this right now, to get an understanding of what I'll be making. 1777294;1516998243;ben_vulpes;there's also http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system 1777295;1516998253;douchebag;I do not know what marching orders are at this time, I'm going to have to read more into it to better understand 1777296;1516998299;shinohai;ben_vulpes link is most definitely required reading imho 1777297;1516998321;ben_vulpes;douchebag: press a trb with non-"release" patches so's you understand usage, ideally sync the binary if you can afford the hardware. then, write your own v, test it, and bring it back for review. 1777298;1516998388;douchebag;Forsure, is there one you suggest me starting with? 1777299;1516998481;ben_vulpes;one what 1777300;1516998513;douchebag;V implementation to use so that I understand how everything is working together 1777301;1516998561;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform's elaborates the fundamentals, mod6 has polished his to handle a bunch of edge cases. 1777302;1516998587;ben_vulpes;it is a matter of taste. would you rather read python or perl? 1777303;1516998622;mod6;fwiw, if you're comfortable with py, and you're on a learning quest, then start with alf's 1777304;1516999344;douchebag;I prefer Python 1777305;1516999572;shinohai;http://archive.is/KoGnA <<< Not mentioned here, how Coincheck asked the NEM developers to roll back chain ala mETH to recover losses. 1777306;1517003864;ben_vulpes;aaaand at the intersection of pantsuit and me too streets: http://archive.is/xKXxl 1777307;1517003963;shinohai;Her "Faith adviser" no less! Must have counseled 'ol Bill too. 1777308;1517004950;phf;"The currency of the far-right: why neo-Nazis love bitcoin (The Guardian)" 1777309;1517005006;phf;"... Only joint action by the G20 countries, as proposed by France and Germany, could be enough to become a game changer. ..." 1777310;1517005191;phf;articled penned by one Julia Ebner, who also wrote "The Rage: The Vicious Circle of Islamist and Far Right Extremism" https://www.vox.com/world/2017/12/19/16764046/islam-terrorism-far-right-extremism-isis 1777311;1517005222;phf;wherein she blames far right for creating and feeding islamic extrimism 1777312;1517005813;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777200 << well, does it ever bother you you spend an hour you'll never ever get back ? 1777313;1517005813;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 19:24 asciilifeform: douchebag: does it ever bother you that you sell a $10k info for $1k ? 1777314;1517006074;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777253 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775921 1777315;1517006074;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 20:04 douchebag: I would like to clarify with someone that I properly understand everything required to create a V implementation. 1777316;1517006074;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 01:01 mircea_popescu: v is esentially found today as an enchanted castle surrounded by 5000 rakes upon which the prince is welcome to step, and once he stepped he can come to us and by the shape in his forehead we can describe the rake he stepped on. 1777317;1517006076;mircea_popescu;gol; step. 1777318;1517006080;mircea_popescu;go* 1777319;1517006143;mircea_popescu;lmao the zingers. 1777320;1517006929;mod6;haha. 1777321;1517008152;shinohai;In other competence of the feebs news: http://archive.is/Un7mm 1777322;1517008751;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777309 << yeah, right. to reiterate, a) http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-07#487027 and b) nobody fucking walks. 1777323;1517008751;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 22:16 phf: "... Only joint action by the G20 countries, as proposed by France and Germany, could be enough to become a game changer. ..." 1777324;1517008751;a111;Logged on 2014-02-07 15:23 mircea_popescu: "Remember : we know where YOU live." 1777325;1517008773;mircea_popescu;better make sure there's replacement "representatives" "presidents" etcetera for the WHOLE list. 1777326;1517009783;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in efervescences, http://coupleamateursbellespoitrines.c.o.pic.centerblog.net/tumblr_mr10x0cH0h1s3uxuxo1_1280.jpg 1777327;1517010640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rerun ! 1777328;1517010648;asciilifeform;i could've sworn i saw it 2-3y ago 1777329;1517010671;mircea_popescu;well... if you do this many shows eventually you're gonna have to rely on reruns! 1777330;1517010745;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777312 << every day, lol 1777331;1517010745;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 22:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777200 << well, does it ever bother you you spend an hour you'll never ever get back ? 1777332;1517010757;mircea_popescu;so stop being so bothered! :D 1777333;1517010866;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777305 << 'One of Japan’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges said that about $400 million in NEM tokens ...' >> asciilifeform was replacing a ceiling light and lost a screw, which he arbitrarily will value at 500 trillion unified reformed dubloons 1777334;1517010866;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 20:46 shinohai: http://archive.is/KoGnA <<< Not mentioned here, how Coincheck asked the NEM developers to roll back chain ala mETH to recover losses. 1777335;1517010925;mircea_popescu;i have about $1 trillion in trimmed pubic hairs. they, unlike a "transgender", are actually female, being XX. 1777336;1517010959;shinohai;There's actually a market for shaved pubic hair! lol 1777337;1517010980;mircea_popescu;i'm thinking of branching out into plucked. 1777338;1517010989;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777321 << observe that in all such cases under modern usg, the corpse 'hangs' on the designated gallows bird; and never on the gestapo ( who can machine-gun or even demolish, as in florida 2y ago, entire houses , with clear conscience ) 1777339;1517010989;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 23:09 shinohai: In other competence of the feebs news: http://archive.is/Un7mm 1777340;1517011031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the more interesting point is that purely latino style "kidnappings" are moving into the us in complete defiance of "law enforcement". 1777341;1517011036;asciilifeform;( iirc in all 50 states at this point, if even local cop runs somebody over on his way to arresting a pickpocket, corpse 'hangs' on the pickpocket ) 1777342;1517011037;mircea_popescu;the battle has evidently been lost. 1777343;1517011045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh those have been a thing for many years 1777344;1517011054;asciilifeform;typically not publicized , but they're there. 1777345;1517011059;mircea_popescu;mebbe. 1777346;1517011071;asciilifeform;( recall how fbi was even created ) 1777347;1517011156;mircea_popescu;i was talking re "contempo" period, post ww2 not of the fucking know-nothing movement. 1777348;1517011173;asciilifeform;well yes, hoover's fbi 1777349;1517011177;mircea_popescu;!#s "the morgue" 1777350;1517011178;a111;4 results for "\"the morgue\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22the%20morgue%22 1777351;1517011201;mircea_popescu;there was a bar in new york where ~100 people died /year because people got drunk and starting shooting pistols at each other. 1777352;1517015383;mod6;all of that, yet people are still 'maga' or whatever it is today 1777353;1517015395;mod6;as if 1777354;1517064381;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1777355;1517064389;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10998.83, vol: 9330.86488949 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10984.0, vol: 35700.96082875 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11000.0, vol: 5683.54464019 | Volume-weighted last average: 10988.5215768 1777356;1517067492;asciilifeform;ohai BingoBoingo 1777357;1517067498;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: rack ready ? 1777358;1517067564;BingoBoingo;Getting close 1777359;1517067579;asciilifeform;what's missing ? 1777360;1517067651;BingoBoingo;Wire is expected to hit the datacenter account Monday. This weekend configuring and double checking the configuring of the switch and the musl Qntra 1777361;1517069072;phf;"How Two, Bored, 1970's Housewives Helped Create the PC Industry www.fastcompany.com" 1777362;1517069110;phf;"Important Women in CS Who Aren't Grace Hopper www.hillelwayne.com" 1777363;1517069838;shinohai;https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/blockchain-company-buys-67000-acres-at-northern-nevada-industrial-park <<< New flaming-tire-in-shitpit factory? 1777364;1517069845;shinohai;(Won't archive ) 1777365;1517074196;spyked;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776901 <-- neato! ftr, it seems that pingback responses vary a lot across web server configs, wp versions etc. some blogs. for example wordpress.com-hosted blogs give undocumented (or sometimes empty) responses, probably as an anti-spam measure. (after filtering out non-pingbackabble sites, I sent all pingbacks manually, just to look at responses) 1777366;1517074196;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 16:00 mircea_popescu: spyked all in. 1777367;1517074196;jhvh1;spyked: The operation succeeded. 1777368;1517076956;mod6;mornin' 1777369;1517077385;shinohai;Heya mod6 .... afternoon! lol 1777370;1517077599;mod6;i guess it is huh haha 1777371;1517077621;*;mod6 worked hard yesterday, extra zzz's needed. 1777372;1517080351;mod6;Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic: Please let me know if you have any updates for your Advertised Republican Nodes to conclude the month of January. 1777373;1517080514;shinohai;I have none besides advertised nodes I showed you yesterday. 1777374;1517080561;mod6;oh from bitnodes? 1777375;1517080632;shinohai;yeah. 1777376;1517080665;mod6;Ah, ok. 1777377;1517083046;diana_coman;spyked, fwiw, pingback arrived fine 1777378;1517083274;mod6;hi diana_coman 1777379;1517083291;diana_coman;hi mod6 1777380;1517083302;mod6;how's eulora stuff these days? 1777381;1517083374;diana_coman;re nodes: mine is still there but still not at the top; I even pressed and ran asciilifeform's patch but it's unclear to me if it helped tbh; I admit I did not have much time to really dig deeper there exactly 1777382;1517083415;diana_coman;eulora is chugging along, atm focus is mainly on getting eucrypt done 1777383;1517083429;mod6;*nod* 1777384;1517083486;mod6;does your node use an SSD? mine doesn't and is @ 506042, and the net is @ 506402 1777385;1517083542;mod6;heh, that moment where 'mimisbrunnr' is a block ahead of other blockchain sites... 1777386;1517083563;mod6;so yeah, mine lags behind too because of sloooooow disk. 1777387;1517083601;mod6;(and fwiw, im running the aggressive push blocks too, which should help. but too IO bound to matter with slow disk) 1777388;1517083838;diana_coman;ah, that must be it then; no ssd :( 1777389;1517083890;spyked;diana_coman, yeah, but your webserver is ultra-conservative on user agents. :) the one from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773164 didn't work, so I faked one from an existing browser, which eventually did the trick. (nb for whoever wants to craft xml-rpc requests manually) 1777390;1517083890;a111;Logged on 2018-01-19 18:34 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked hey, does your tarpit not send pingbacks or is there some error ? what's the response if you say curl -v -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "pingback.pinghttp://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/ 1777391;1517084048;diana_coman;hm, what was the error you got on that one that didn't work? 1777392;1517084281;spyked;diana_coman: here's the output: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nlokl/?raw=true and the script I used http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/z0nep/?raw=true it would seem ngnix expects user agents to meet a particular spec (that I haven't figured out exactly) before delivering pages 1777393;1517084352;spyked;(and it's not obvious from the error message either; but it's possible that there's a bit more info in the server logs) 1777394;1517084466;diana_coman;spyked, thanks; looks familiar even so one of these days I'll have to get around to look at it and shoot it in the head 1777395;1517084555;diana_coman;fwiw it looks like some mod_security mess 1777396;1517085980;*;spyked took a look through how mod_security does user agent-based filtering and stumbled upon http://archive.is/ELI4u#selection-1478.0-1518.2 lulz; no idea how a programmatically-generated string can be botched up just like that. 1777397;1517086150;shinohai;LUL 1777398;1517086286;hanbot; 1777399;1517091036;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all 1777400;1517091044;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11551.14, vol: 10348.41527763 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11570.0, vol: 34357.10597093 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11529.1, vol: 5932.07693913 | Volume-weighted last average: 11561.3543874 1777401;1517091054;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777388 << at the risk of repeating -- mechanical hdd is ~useless for trb work 1777402;1517091054;a111;Logged on 2018-01-27 20:10 diana_coman: ah, that must be it then; no ssd :( 1777403;1517091077;asciilifeform;it sorta, possibly, worx, when in striped-raid; and worked ok prior to fullblox era 1777404;1517091082;asciilifeform;but today -- nope. 1777405;1517091119;asciilifeform;a mechanical-hdd node is possibly even worse than none. causes chronic frustration for its owner and anybody who tries to sync from it 1777406;1517091132;asciilifeform;really a kind of tarpit. 1777407;1517091227;asciilifeform;potentially they could work at something like normal speed, with something like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776380 . but that's not a Troo Adult Noad 1777408;1517091227;a111;Logged on 2018-01-25 19:29 asciilifeform: btw i'll mention again a simple method to speed up sync (to a point) 1,000x or moar -- signed hashes ( a la the programmable checkpoint thread from 2yrs ago ) 1777409;1517091392;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777381 << i was thinking, the '% of wallclock time spent waiting for blockverifier' , '% of wallclock time spent waiting for newblock' stats really oughta be part of standard 'getinfo' output 1777410;1517091392;a111;Logged on 2018-01-27 20:02 diana_coman: re nodes: mine is still there but still not at the top; I even pressed and ran asciilifeform's patch but it's unclear to me if it helped tbh; I admit I did not have much time to really dig deeper there exactly 1777411;1517091398;asciilifeform;mod6 et al ^ 1777412;1517091421;asciilifeform;it will readily reveal the cause of a 'behind' node 1777413;1517091455;asciilifeform;though i will point out, for completeness, that i saw NO substantial 'behinditude' on zoolag since feeding it the pill against shitoshi's sync retardation. 1777414;1517091512;asciilifeform;i had the above stats patch on the conveyor, but abandoned when saw that there is no mystery anymoar for it to resolve.. 1777415;1517091564;ben_vulpes;works just fine with striped raid 1777416;1517091569;mod6;not a bad idea asciilifeform 1777417;1517091586;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: plox to quantify 'just fine' 1777418;1517091612;asciilifeform;dulap-II had a serious striped-raid ; still took 5x as long to verify same block as fist-sized, raidless ssd zoolag. 1777419;1517091638;asciilifeform;the latter having ~1/32th the cpu horse of the former. 1777420;1517091657;ben_vulpes;obviously is going to be slow, but mimi has zero trouble keeping up with the tip-o-the-chain since applying your patch 1777421;1517091659;phf;striped raid might solve write speed issue, but not seek time issue 1777422;1517091671;asciilifeform;phf: actually opposite 1777423;1517091680;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1777424;1517091709;phf;err, actually scratch the whole thing 1777425;1517091756;asciilifeform;well actually it'd be : ~read~ seek-time is shortened on striped-raid; write-seek -- slightly increased ; absolute contiguous speed of r/w -- unchanged 1777426;1517091757;phf;what i meant to say was read speed issue, but not seek time issue, but i'm thinking that seek time ~might~ improve because of parallelizable seeking 1777427;1517091770;asciilifeform;( exercise for the reader, to see why ) 1777428;1517091811;asciilifeform;( in 'striping' , the platters turn deliberately out of phase ) 1777429;1517092742;ben_vulpes;mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ImgDW/?raw=true 1777430;1517092747;*;mod6 looks 1777431;1517092800;*;ben_vulpes zoidbergs 1777432;1517092916;mod6;ben_vulpes: got it 1777433;1517093338;*;asciilifeform polishing off ch9. which will contain, among other things, The Seekrit Of all-iron guaranteed-constanttime mul , with only ~8% penalty over iron mul. 1777434;1517093346;asciilifeform;which afaik has never been published anywhere. 1777435;1517093397;mod6;Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, I present to you a pre-patched *EXPERIMENTAL* version of my vtron (99993), along with a patch to show changes from V (99994): http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-January/000287.html 1777436;1517093406;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj ! 1777437;1517093452;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777365 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774078 1777438;1517093452;a111;Logged on 2018-01-27 17:29 spyked: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776901 <-- neato! ftr, it seems that pingback responses vary a lot across web server configs, wp versions etc. some blogs. for example wordpress.com-hosted blogs give undocumented (or sometimes empty) responses, probably as an anti-spam measure. (after filtering out non-pingbackabble sites, I sent all pingbacks manually, just to look at responses) 1777439;1517093452;a111;Logged on 2018-01-22 14:55 asciilifeform: the only actual standard in whole fucking machine is the mains cord. 1777440;1517093459;asciilifeform;this is pretty great, mod6 , i'ma test it this wk 1777441;1517093461;mircea_popescu;jauysus 1777442;1517093466;mod6;The formal release version is planned of course. Thanks for paitence, and help to get this vtron in proper working order. 1777443;1517093500;mod6;asciilifeform: ch9, cool! I'm pretty excited to dive in. 1777444;1517093513;asciilifeform;mod6: out of curiosity, where are you in it 1777445;1517093572;mod6;lol, i've not "formally" started it. I have however, looked through most of 1, 2, 3, and 4. Did the homework for ffa_calc. But again, not enough to say "I've done it. Lemme sign." 1777446;1517093585;mod6;So I'm gonna circle back around, do it all; start to finish. 1777447;1517093605;asciilifeform;mod6: do not hurry to sign. intention is, to slowly eat it, and sign when it begins to seem as if 'wrote yourself' 1777448;1517093616;mod6;*nod* makes sense. 1777449;1517093642;mod6;I gotta get this mission critical stuff with vtron out of the way. Then should be undertaking myself. 1777450;1517093649;asciilifeform;imagine year is 1985 and you hammered it in from a magazine page... 1777451;1517093658;mod6;:] 1777452;1517093662;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777409 << a properly rewritten trb-blockchain would actually work ok on plated disks. 1777453;1517093662;a111;Logged on 2018-01-27 22:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777381 << i was thinking, the '% of wallclock time spent waiting for blockverifier' , '% of wallclock time spent waiting for newblock' stats really oughta be part of standard 'getinfo' output 1777454;1517093666;mod6;keep up the good work asciilifeform 1777455;1517093668;asciilifeform;( sometimes i wish that i could convince people to ~actually do this~, lol ) 1777456;1517093685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it would, i already established it in my torture room 1777457;1517093714;asciilifeform;( the one with the O(1) indexer and the 'nursery' last-few-hundred-blox holder , as discussed last yr ) 1777458;1517093726;asciilifeform;the latter lives in ram 1777459;1517093738;mircea_popescu;yeah, not contentious. 1777460;1517093763;mircea_popescu;but it;s not that machine is useless "for trb work". current trb is useless for machine work. 1777461;1517093771;mircea_popescu;ie, a toy item rather than production ready. 1777462;1517093791;asciilifeform;it ain't retrofittable to trb imho, however. too many inoperable tumours in trb. 1777463;1517093802;mircea_popescu;trb is whatever the foundation releases. 1777464;1517093807;mircea_popescu;just like eulora etc. 1777465;1517093810;asciilifeform;in that sense worxgreat, sure. 1777466;1517094574;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777455 << great exercise, actually. type in each chapter's version of ffa 1777467;1517094574;a111;Logged on 2018-01-27 22:54 asciilifeform: ( sometimes i wish that i could convince people to ~actually do this~, lol ) 1777468;1517094697;asciilifeform;aha, it ain't so big 1777469;1517094767;mod6;it's a bit deep to walk in alf's big footprints through the adventure. 1777470;1517094778;mod6;:] 1777471;1517094787;mod6;the adventure is worth it though. 1777472;1517094838;asciilifeform;oh hey is that mircea_popescu's new kitten 1777473;1517094871;mod6;emmylark: no offence intended with my comments a few days ago. was just having some fun with unknown n00bs. 1777474;1517094935;emmylark;Hello everyone. There was no offense taken. 1777475;1517094947;*;trinque caught the rick and morty reference 1777476;1517094953;mod6;Good deal. :] Nice to meet 'ya. 1777477;1517094962;mod6;trinque is on point 1777478;1517094979;emmylark;It is a pleasure indeed. 1777479;1517095010;emmylark;I was wondering if I might make a request? 1777480;1517095021;mod6;request away. 1777481;1517095146;emmylark;So those numbers, for my tits? May I have some more of them? One from anyone willing to entertain me? 1777482;1517095260;mircea_popescu;ahaha check her out, going public already. 1777483;1517095273;mod6;S.TITS 1777484;1517095319;mircea_popescu;i give numbers out, slut. 1777485;1517095339;emmylark;Apologies, sir. 1777486;1517095367;emmylark;May I please have some more numbers? Like the ones for my tits? 1777487;1517095378;mircea_popescu;what are you up to ? 1777488;1517095574;emmylark;Nothing sir. I just want some numbers. 1777489;1517095631;mircea_popescu;i r suspek. but, hey, why not. 1777490;1517095690;emmylark;Thank you sir. 1777491;1517095752;mircea_popescu;3abfa6e2 c77a3015 f54c10bd 28bcf278 e95353d4 611d180c 4615295d 690c7bd4 54f68227 e27d2955 66797b99 ccb93f79 ef0a26f7 2726742b cdbaeded 08cf1ce6 1777492;1517095838;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently the martian titbank happens before the martian moneybank. 1777493;1517095852;mircea_popescu;see, girls outrank boys in innovation implementations! 1777494;1517095941;asciilifeform;nooseateleven 1777495;1517096096;mod6;haha 1777496;1517096124;mod6;ok DC said they'll throw in an SSD for me. so that's awesome. hopefully that'll get my node caught up and stay caught up. 1777497;1517096255;mircea_popescu;hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6MNac/?raw=true 1777498;1517096312;hanbot;tyvm 1777499;1517096521;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/it-came-out/ << Trilema - It came out! 1777500;1517096542;asciilifeform;oh hey congrats mircea_popescu 1777501;1517096555;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually had 1 of these as homework in american school, 3rdgrade 1777502;1517096569;asciilifeform;everybody got jars, 1 caterpillar ea. 1777503;1517096604;asciilifeform;they used to migrate as far north as here. ( perhaps still do ? somewhere ) 1777504;1517096799;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This summer there were a few in my garden 1777505;1517097083;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually had 1 of these as homework in american school, 3rdgrade << yah, same. 1777506;1517097111;mod6;neat-o mircea_popescu 1777507;1517097124;mircea_popescu;i suspect this is slightyl different, iirc northerner monarch chrisalis looks more like a turd 1777508;1517097137;asciilifeform;iirc it looked exactly like mircea_popescu's 1777509;1517097147;asciilifeform;greenish, ~acorn-shaped 1777510;1517097156;mircea_popescu;gold sparks and everything ? 1777511;1517097159;asciilifeform;aha 1777512;1517097164;mircea_popescu;i still have nfi how they do those. is it what, copper ? 1777513;1517097185;asciilifeform;it's been a quarter century, can't recall how much gold speck... 1777514;1517097263;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is suggesting new peaks of luxury. they spend ~half hour waiting for their wings to dry / batting them slowly. if you get a few dozen coordinated chrysalises you could have quite the grandiose dinner table. 1777515;1517097276;mircea_popescu;pin them on naked sluts piece montee in the middle of table. 1777516;1517097288;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> gold sparks and everything ? << ya, mine too. 1777517;1517097295;mircea_popescu;awesome. 1777518;1517097295;asciilifeform;i recall the wing-drying specifically. 1777519;1517097355;asciilifeform;iirc they dun reliably sync, however, >day of variance b/w various pupils' hatchings 1777520;1517097378;mircea_popescu;it was quite visible inside towards the end 1777521;1517097379;asciilifeform;maybe if all the jars were in a proper incubator, with thermo/hygro-stat 1777522;1517097385;mircea_popescu;i bet there's something you can measure to time them 1777523;1517098378;BingoBoingo;All I know is they like to park their asses on bare galvanized with for their personal transformations. For two weeks the tomatoes suffered mucho de stinkbugs. 1777524;1517098424;mircea_popescu;you mean the butterflies ? iirc these only eat milkweed 1777525;1517098525;BingoBoingo;Nah I mean with the butterflies there I refrained from gassing the stinkbugs. They crawled from the milkweed to the tomato cages to transform. 1777526;1517098566;mircea_popescu;a 1777527;1517098796;BingoBoingo;Anyways musl servering is going well, building a trb on the box because gotta test for republican standards compliance. 1777528;1517098914;mircea_popescu;you never published the server order list. 1777529;1517098928;mircea_popescu;that's the top priority, else we'll be paying for an empty rack while the endless doodling goes about with getting servers delivered. 1777530;1517098984;BingoBoingo;I haven't recieved it. I'm going to poke them again now. 1777531;1517099074;mircea_popescu;and in case it's not obvious: there's a MAJOR opportunity here for someone wanting to deliver a service for pay. why is nobody advertising "i will produce boxes and ship them to bb" ? have "the boundless blablas" buffett assigned to america died QUITE that dead ? 1777532;1517099283;BingoBoingo;Someone here has to need a vacation, mircea_popescu might be the only other person in the republic with better weather scheduled for the next two months. 1777533;1517099343;asciilifeform;this is mildly reminiscent of the 'hand-delivery for FG service' thread 1777534;1517099385;mircea_popescu;it is ? 1777535;1517099602;asciilifeform;maybe i'm thick, but , let's say mircea_popescu wants a server magicked into existence. would he want to pay the cost of a asciilifeform-carries-in-suitcase-in-airplane-to-BingoBoingoistan in the cost of said box ? 1777536;1517099628;trinque;idea of this is nonsense. why don't I contract with latechco directly for a 1U if I have to do that 1777537;1517099646;mircea_popescu;trinque for me not for you! 1777538;1517099654;mircea_popescu;if i want 5 boxes, what do i do now ? 1777539;1517099660;trinque;I'm definitely not flying a box to bbisp 1777540;1517099668;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with fedexing it! 1777541;1517099696;asciilifeform;possibly nothing. or possibly argentina-style problem. ( anybody tried yet ? ) 1777542;1517099701;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu recall my fedex to ro ? 1777543;1517099709;mircea_popescu;notrly ? 1777544;1517099714;trinque;guy's talking about vacations. shipping has been plan B if there's no machines to acquire on the spot 1777545;1517099724;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the orig prototype rng 1777546;1517099741;mircea_popescu;trinque i have been pushing him to produce me a list of machiens that can be bought for what, three weeks now ? six ? 1777547;1517099755;*;trinque is on the same page, wants the list 1777548;1517099757;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i recall getting that ? 1777549;1517099786;mircea_popescu;had a battery tackon and erryhing. 1777550;1517099788;*;trinque has been a pretty vocal interested party in a 1U for a while 1777551;1517099802;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you did. and how it took , what , whole month on top of the Officially specced what's wrong with fedexing it! << Box that enters the country via FEDEX is going to certainly get hit with customs and the 22% IVA. Box that comes in suitcase is almost certainly going to get waved through as a personal effect. It's a math problem of whether to pay an import duty or plane ticket. 1777664;1517152280;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: De nada 1777665;1517152290;mircea_popescu;this is a point. 1777666;1517152315;mircea_popescu;maybe we get alf to send you his pet for a week or so. petexchange programme. 1777667;1517152337;BingoBoingo;Es posible. 1777668;1517152373;asciilifeform;i suspect that the suitcase method only beats the 22% vig if 2-3 machines at a time are moved 1777669;1517152430;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777538 1777670;1517152430;a111;Logged on 2018-01-28 00:34 mircea_popescu: if i want 5 boxes, what do i do now ? 1777671;1517152431;asciilifeform;and even then has nonzero chance of 'hey this is the 3rd time this evil-looking gaijin is bringing 3 'personal' boxen' 1777672;1517152445;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : hey diana_coman it is upon you to produce a dreamspec eulora machine nao. hit me. 1777673;1517152489;BingoBoingo;Everyone I have talked to here is a fan of the suitcase method. "when we fly to Miami everyone comes out of the woodwork with a shopping list" 1777674;1517152491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform would be an one-time thing. but hey, you get to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week, take pet on trip to bsas for a few days... the city is lovely if one doesn't mean to stay 1777675;1517152505;mircea_popescu;ruins of modern civilisation, it looks quite like newyork downtown 1777676;1517152545;asciilifeform;from BingoBoingo's photos i picture a slightly shabbier buenos aires . but yes, i already have 3 crates that want to go 1777677;1517152560;asciilifeform;what's a couplea moar. 1777678;1517152563;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform would be an one-time thing. but hey, you get to see uruguay. it's jenuinely not bad, can go for a week, take pet on trip to bsas for a few days... the city is lovely if one doesn't mean to stay << Rocha, Cabo Polonia, and Colonia are all highly recommended by the vacationers 1777679;1517152571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so 3 of yours |AND FIVE OF MINE, this should justify the trip 1777680;1517152576;asciilifeform;aha 1777681;1517152589;mircea_popescu;i pay teh airfare you pay the steaks&tampons, you got yourself a[nother] vacation eh. 1777682;1517152594;asciilifeform;supposing mircea_popescu is happy to risk a coupla btc of crate 'in 1 basket' 1777683;1517152616;asciilifeform;( luggage does on occasion end up in /dev/null ) 1777684;1517152639;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, will schedule dreaming eulora spec machine then 1777685;1517152644;mircea_popescu;hey, mp is willing to risk a btc on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1724167 1777686;1517152644;a111;Logged on 2017-10-11 20:43 BHopkins: I think I did it right: 12taDFRdimNTHx1xoUkUZWj3nrE4js6LM6 1777687;1517152670;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ok but not too long. one night stand! 1777688;1517153044;mircea_popescu;in other news, to share with the group for comment : the idea is that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of these. 1777689;1517153101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu dislikes the 'we know the constants' endianism, flip if machine's is opposite' traditional pill ? 1777690;1517153113;asciilifeform;( i dislike, on aesthetic grounds, but that's possibly just me ) 1777691;1517153126;mircea_popescu;i dislike supporting idiocy. 1777692;1517153138;asciilifeform;yer 'supporting idiocy' when you uncrate and plug in x86, lol 1777693;1517153145;mircea_popescu;and i dislike it. 1777694;1517153158;asciilifeform;hey why not see what bitwise algo costs 1777695;1517153167;asciilifeform;ffa for instance is result of 'why not see what constant-time costs' 1777696;1517153168;mircea_popescu;i expect it's getting put in firsts. 1777697;1517153235;asciilifeform;very often 'too expensive' turns out -- isn't 1777698;1517153248;asciilifeform;even on somewhat aged iron 1777699;1517153255;asciilifeform;if done correctly. 1777700;1517153281;mircea_popescu;yes well. hope springs internal. 1777701;1517153395;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/ << Trilema - Hey, women! Did you know that before the Pantsuited Hilarity gave you your civil rights, you were living in slavery ? 1777702;1517153404;mircea_popescu;emmylark ^ check you out slut! 1777703;1517154320;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you happen to have a link to the original "how much would a crate of tomatoes cost" thread ? 1777704;1517154338;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what was the context there ? 1777705;1517154361;asciilifeform;was this the 'what if nothing could decay' thing ? 1777706;1517154366;mircea_popescu;that we were discussing current costs of items, and i said for today's crate of tomato to be compared to past's crate of tomato, it has to be biologically identical, 1777707;1517154372;asciilifeform;oh hm 1777708;1517154377;mircea_popescu;ie 0 ppm all of the various pollutants, there's no "tolerable" level. 1777709;1517154467;asciilifeform;i definitely recall this 1777710;1517154469;asciilifeform;lessee.. 1777711;1517154483;mircea_popescu;me too, buyt apparently neither apples nor tomatoes not dioxin were mentioned, though i vaguely recall all three 1777712;1517154492;mircea_popescu;but this was like 5 years ago or something like that. 1777713;1517154631;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-15#876019 << possibly prior to this mark 1777714;1517154631;a111;Logged on 2014-10-15 19:56 asciilifeform: another observation re: qntra. recall mircea_popescu's point about synthetic tomatoes? 1777715;1517154648;mircea_popescu;definitely prior. 1777716;1517154649;asciilifeform;suggests that it was in trilema 1777717;1517154655;asciilifeform;( www ) 1777718;1517154666;mircea_popescu;i recall it as a conversation between us, you were saying something and that was my retort. 1777719;1517154679;asciilifeform;possibly was in comment thread. 1777720;1517154684;mircea_popescu;hm. 1777721;1517154732;BingoBoingo;The difference between the standard trade tomatoe here and en Estados Unidos is vast 1777722;1517154751;mircea_popescu;wait till you see what passes here for pineapple. 1777723;1517154800;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-14#872853 , but definitely had moar detailed thread prior 1777724;1517154800;a111;Logged on 2014-10-14 15:14 mircea_popescu: the entire "monsanto increases yields" fallacy is based on the fraudulent proposition that shit-tomatoes are = tomatoes. 1777725;1517154818;mircea_popescu;yeah i found that too, but yes, this is a reference not the thing 1777726;1517154825;asciilifeform;right 1777727;1517155277;shinohai;http://archive.is/vGXxK "We are destroying real bitcoin, hur durr" 1777728;1517155320;mircea_popescu;o noes 1777729;1517156736;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777688 << there's a handful of lords that are running ppc hardware, which is big endian. there's also sparc, that like ppc, is a somewhat saner cpu than x86, and that can be had for cheap for server etc. purposes 1777730;1517156736;a111;Logged on 2018-01-28 15:24 mircea_popescu: in other news, to share with the group for comment : the idea is that even if we do mandate smallendian, it would still be proper to have a bitwise implementation, even were it slow, as a proper model of sorts. so it'd be both of these. 1777731;1517156790;phf;if we mandate smallendian, we simply cut out a bunch of cheap, reliable hardware 1777732;1517156810;asciilifeform;phf: phunphakt : ppc is one of the two currently-produced archs ( the other being arm ) that doesn't have constant-time MUL . 1777733;1517156837;asciilifeform;though to be fair i have not tested sparc , so possibly there is a third... 1777734;1517156907;*;asciilifeform still writing ch9, which is actually about this. 1777735;1517156968;asciilifeform;fwiw ffa is endian-insensitive . 1777736;1517157135;mircea_popescu;phf i am aware. do you actually want to make this an objection ? 1777737;1517157559;*;trinque has a 4-core g5 xserve right here he was planning to ship to bbisp 1777738;1517157617;asciilifeform;and oh forfuckssake, apparently asciilifeform cannot change any of the '2017' to '2018' in ffa , because : 1777739;1517157620;asciilifeform;in raw diff , 1777740;1517157622;asciilifeform;--- (C) 2017 Stanislav Datskovskiy ( www.loper-os.org ) -- 1777741;1517157622;asciilifeform;+-- (C) 2018 Stanislav Datskovskiy ( www.loper-os.org ) -- 1777742;1517157626;asciilifeform;but this becomes , in vdiff, 1777743;1517157639;trinque;hasn't much to do with the endian, more to do with "amount of shit bolted to side" and "recent enough to do actual work upon" 1777744;1517157640;asciilifeform;--- (C) false 1777745;1517157640;asciilifeform;+-- (C) 2018 Stanislav Datskovskiy ( www.loper-os.org ) -- 1777746;1517157652;asciilifeform;and worse, i can't even readily think of a simple pill against this inbandism. 1777747;1517157729;mircea_popescu;well, the new vdiff 1777748;1517157737;asciilifeform;not with any of the currently published vdiffs 1777749;1517157792;mircea_popescu;i didn't know phf published anyuthing yet ? 1777750;1517157821;phf;he's saying he can't fix it with any of the published vdiff's since i haven't published anything yet 1777751;1517157831;mircea_popescu;which is true and uninteresting! 1777752;1517157854;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do a "cosmetics" at the end of the story, by then oyu'll have a proper vdiff 1777753;1517157894;asciilifeform;alternatively, 1777754;1517157900;asciilifeform;#!/bin/sh 1777755;1517157900;asciilifeform;diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+)/{cmd="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null ";s=cmd| getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} close(cmd); print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }' 1777756;1517157915;mircea_popescu;cosmetics patch at end! 1777757;1517158053;mircea_popescu;!!key emmylark 1777758;1517158054;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/3BC472963B76AEE0448C19F414DEC3397D761EA4.asc 1777759;1517158134;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/k6b3G/?raw=true 1777760;1517158159;phf;mircea_popescu: our current strategy with architecture support has been "it works on my machine, but if you want it to work on your machine submit a vpatch", and it's been pretty consistently applied (e.g. my openbsd patch that's been floating independently, despite never getting vpatched). 1777761;1517158203;mircea_popescu;obviously one could patch the eucrypt to work on his box if for some reason he wants to (though i can't imagine who'd be running eulora client of ppc machine, but anyways). 1777762;1517158220;mircea_popescu;the interesting point here is the mandate, ie, do you actually object to our saying "bignum is evil and get rid of it" 1777763;1517158225;phf;so while i think lack of bigendian will create immediate problems for people (e.g. no vdiff/vpatch on g5 machines for trinque, untill he patches it himself), i don't think it's not historically supported 1777764;1517158227;mircea_popescu;ugh. bigendian. 1777765;1517158305;*;asciilifeform finds that he agrees with phf : like it or not, a good % of the cheap and effective older iron that is and will remain in use in tmsr , specifically in opposition to x86ism, is big-endian. 1777766;1517158308;phf;i find all arguments pro or cons unconvincing, as encoded by elders i nthe very name, which is a reference to gulliver's travels 1777767;1517158391;phf;it's a completely arbitrary decision, that has a bunch of cons and pros based on time, hardware, architecture, etc. etc. big iron used to be bigendian, micros were primarily little endian, both for reasons 1777768;1517158419;mircea_popescu;hm. 1777769;1517158424;asciilifeform;i also agree with mircea_popescu in re ~new~ cpu design having no business being byte-addressing and having a detectable endianism orientation AT ALL. 1777770;1517158428;asciilifeform;but we dun have a cpu fab yet. 1777771;1517158482;mircea_popescu;phf so you are actually saying that there's some kind of way to look at the situation that has both endian notations stand on equality footing ? 1777772;1517158667;phf;right, i'm more saying that neither have merit, and the only reason there's a narrative is because you have to have one or the other, and by nature of having both in theory you have both in practice 1777773;1517158689;mircea_popescu;but don't you find that one's logically consistent whereas the other's logically inconsistent ? 1777774;1517158752;mircea_popescu;in smallendian notation, for every subset of bits however selected, they will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits. 1777775;1517158781;mircea_popescu;in bigendian notation, ~SOME~ subsets of bits will be found before an equally sized subset of higher order bits and after an equally sized subset of lower order bits ; and ~SOME~ the other way ; and what the magic size cutoff is VARIES. 1777776;1517158852;asciilifeform;sad phakt : this is also true on little-endian box -- at least if you watch the bits go over e.g. serial port. 1777777;1517158868;mircea_popescu;but this is a problem of display not of ontology, on small endian box. 1777778;1517158886;mircea_popescu;the fact that you choose to have your ide replace all ifs with :-) is your fucking problem. 1777779;1517158909;asciilifeform;there does not exist this separation, in reality, between display and ontology. 1777780;1517158916;asciilifeform;unless you are that d00d in the painting 1777781;1517158929;mircea_popescu;ugh. 1777782;1517158930;mircea_popescu;what ? 1777783;1517158938;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 << 1777784;1517158938;a111;Logged on 2014-04-25 20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg 1777785;1517158963;mircea_popescu;ah come on, the bits exist whether you're looking at them or not. 1777786;1517158988;asciilifeform;well yes. but you gotta use the подвиг радиста UI to get'em.. 1777787;1517159018;mircea_popescu;the sorts of problems we end up having... 1777788;1517159033;mircea_popescu;i can't conceive who the fuck else was ever equipped to touch this shit. 1777789;1517159196;BingoBoingo;Well, that everything we dig into turns into shit upon examinition show how great of a handicap not having a republic is. 1777790;1517159717;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't think it makes sense to talk about bit order on any of the architectures that we're discussing, since you can only address by bytes. big endian systems could have little endian bytes and you would never know, likewise little endian systems could have big endian bytes and you would never know. logically though there's no reason you can't view big endian to be a bit reverse of little endian 1777791;1517159788;mircea_popescu;i don't agree that implementation limits my power of representation. 1777792;1517159806;mircea_popescu;i can discuss bit order irrespective of the fact that systems implement byte addressing. i must. 1777793;1517159866;phf;well, then you can't arbitrarily say that big endian system is illogical because it has little endian bit order but big endian byte order. 1777794;1517159883;mircea_popescu;are you actually saying "well mp, ~maybe~ bits exist outside of anyone looking at them, but sure as fuck they do not exist outside of bytes, as currently the situation stands" ? 1777795;1517159929;asciilifeform;'bit order' does not meaningfully exist outside of serial lines, where a time parameter is imposed 1777796;1517159946;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck this is brokeneder than originally imagined. 1777797;1517159956;asciilifeform;what would the contrary even mean ? that the low bit is on left side of the chip , vs right ? what if it turn my comp around on the table , lol 1777798;1517159961;asciilifeform;*if i turn 1777799;1517160980;mod6;<+asciilifeform> diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+)/ << diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+ b)/ << ya? 1777800;1517161053;mod6;anyway, thing i was talking about before had: /^(--- | \+\+ 1777801;1517161055;mod6;bah 1777802;1517161091;mod6;this: /^(--- |\+\+\+ )/ 1777803;1517161126;mod6;maybe the more specific with 'a' and 'b' is the ticket tho 1777804;1517161149;asciilifeform;naa i'ma do what mircea_popescu said, leaving it alone for nao 1777805;1517161170;mircea_popescu;wisdom. 1777806;1517161547;mod6;ok sounds good 1777807;1517161904;mod6;in other news, got within 2 blocks of HEAD lastnight... never quite did make it... then for some reason fell like 80 blocks behind while stuck on a block. 1777808;1517161917;mod6;restarting ... 1777809;1517161925;asciilifeform;mod6: what means 'stuck on a block' 1777810;1517161974;asciilifeform;and fwiw i NEVER restart a node unless it actually crashed ( and it's been some yrs since last case of this ), why would you destroy valuable info re an actual-stuck eggog 1777811;1517161986;mod6;well, probably wasn't "stuck" just takig a long time or whatever. 1777812;1517161991;asciilifeform;how long is long 1777813;1517161996;asciilifeform;and what is it doing 1777814;1517162002;mod6;i dunno 10 hours 1777815;1517162009;asciilifeform;e.g. sitting and processing tx, and simply nobody gave it any new blocks ? 1777816;1517162021;asciilifeform;... or still verifying something, and doing nothing at all, not responding to commands, etc ? 1777817;1517162038;asciilifeform;gotta be specific re what node is doing. word 'stuck' is not very useful. 1777818;1517162041;mod6;<+asciilifeform> e.g. sitting and processing tx, and simply nobody gave it any new blocks ? << yes, looks this way. was heavily loading the mempool with shit 1777819;1517162058;mod6;if it does it again, we'll take a look 1777820;1517162091;mod6;node is catching back up now 1777821;1517162099;asciilifeform;observe also that even 'aggressive' trb only demands newblox when a peer ~connects~ 1777822;1517162103;asciilifeform;rather than constantly 1777823;1517162132;mod6;yeah, strangely i only had like 4 connections; even with -myip being set to external ip 1777824;1517162142;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: is the 22% actually "we have declared the value of this thing to be $maxint, and now pay $maxint * .22 or never see your gear again"? 1777825;1517162155;mod6;but *shrug* maybe it just needed longer to talk to others. it had only been up for a little while at that point. 1777826;1517162216;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: That I am asking around on and seeking clarification about. 1777827;1517162323;BingoBoingo;A common recurring answer is they don't know because everyone they know goes to Miama with one bag and returns home with 5-10 1777828;1517162451;mircea_popescu;heh 1777829;1517162473;ben_vulpes;how the fuck are uruguayan bordermeat going to price an xserve anyways 1777830;1517162616;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you're especially unlucky -- by googling and finding a usg purchase quote from $bigvendor 1777831;1517162623;asciilifeform;from 2005 or whenever. 1777832;1517162718;mircea_popescu;lel 1777833;1517162774;phf;"computer parts $20" 1777834;1517162795;phf;i thought that was standard procedure for shipping international? 1777835;1517162821;mod6;ok 3 blocks behind, now just doing a bunch of mem pool stuff. we'll see if it falls back behind 1777836;1517162824;asciilifeform;phf: worx with variable success. didn't , for instance, for FG to diana_coman 1777837;1517162888;phf;yes, that's cause fg looks like some mil spec shit. you just needed to put inside a cheap plastic box and stencil "fax modem" on it 1777838;1517162895;mircea_popescu;lmao 1777839;1517162908;mircea_popescu;honestly, i have great faith in alf's capacity to cross items. 1777840;1517162916;asciilifeform;mod6: at the risk of repeating myself : don't babysit nodes. if it genuinely 'gets stuck', and not merely on account of poor block propagation at the particular time you are watching -- it is potentially serious problem, and you want debug info . if on other hand it is a chronic situation, you want to instrument the thing with timers, find out where it spends time. 1777841;1517162917;mircea_popescu;he has i guess the honest man's face. 1777842;1517162931;asciilifeform;mod6: at no point does babysitting-and-restarting-blindly accomplish anything useful. 1777843;1517162972;mod6;it's just been since april 5th. so im kinda excited. 1777844;1517163007;asciilifeform;phf: in my experience the magic word is 'commercial sample for demo'. but only worx with suitcases. 1777845;1517163036;asciilifeform;dunwork so much with parcels in the post. because otherwise 'erryone would write it' 1777846;1517163205;phf;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sez_-UoRudg 1777847;1517163234;asciilifeform;lol 1777848;1517163370;asciilifeform;that's approx it. 1777849;1517163483;BingoBoingo; phf: in my experience the magic word is 'commercial sample for demo'. but only worx with suitcases. << Personal effects 1777850;1517163484;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-man-versus-the-state/ << Trilema - The Man Versus The State 1777851;1517167233;shinohai;Sorry for spam, doing housecleaning as well. 1777852;1517167236;shinohai;!!unrate AndreaGuzman 1777853;1517167239;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qOsZq/?raw=true 1777854;1517167239;shinohai;!!unrate Framedragger 1777855;1517167241;shinohai;!!unrate covertress 1777856;1517167241;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/w71BM/?raw=true 1777857;1517167243;shinohai;!!unrate knubie 1777858;1517167244;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o71s1/?raw=true 1777859;1517167245;shinohai;!!unrate sina 1777860;1517167246;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sWiGL/?raw=true 1777861;1517167247;shinohai;!!unrate douchebag 1777862;1517167248;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ONoq8/?raw=true 1777863;1517167250;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mXBXI/?raw=true 1777864;1517167475;phf;shinohai: here's a service you could provide: bouncers for sluts :) i believe e.g. znc supports multi-tenant 1777865;1517167670;Techman;rip some of the idle folks from lrh 1777866;1517167756;mod6;lol @ #11 1777867;1517167974;phf;Techman: well, i did say sluts, not "peanut gallery". most of freenode channels seem to consist of 2-3 useful folk and the 20-30 backsit yes men. 1777868;1517168169;Techman;Are you sure you meant to direct that @ me? I'm talking about the housecleaning that shinohai is doing 1777869;1517168203;phf;oh oh 1777870;1517168294;phf;well, to be fair i'm sure i mean to direct that at you, but what you said wasn't directed at me. 1777871;1517171559;shinohai;phf was going to, maybe when more sluts arrive. I thought emmylark was under the auspices of mircea_popescu 1777872;1517171765;trinque;people don't show up at some empty lot hungry and then later there's a restaurant 1777873;1517171815;shinohai;aha 1777874;1517172432;*;trinque was saying to build teh restaurant 1777875;1517173328;shinohai;yeah i got that part 1777876;1517173331;shinohai;lel 1777877;1517173803;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf ch9 1777878;1517173803;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1777879;1517173829;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 9: Exodus from Egypt with Combas Algorithm. 1777880;1517173837;asciilifeform;Achtung, Panzerz ! ^ 1777881;1517174039;mod6;hey! cool asciilifeform 1777882;1517174050;asciilifeform;mod6: you'll like this one. 1777883;1517174061;asciilifeform;( it gives answer to the 'make auto tests' homework from ch8 ) 1777884;1517174202;mod6;i like the perf charts too. always helps to have numbers & charts. 1777885;1517175834;mod6;omg it is so hard not to babysit this thing after a year of babysitting. 1777886;1517175838;mod6;im like glued to this debug log 1777887;1517176643;phf;asciilifeform: so i spent a long time on your homework since it's a kind of trick question, but the naive solution that you've provided will not always produce True for obvious reasons. 1777888;1517177288;phf;asciilifeform: i.e. ??``[(let ((a #x]#[) (b #x]#[) (c #x]*#[) (sz #x].0.1-#[)) (= (nth-value 0 (truncate (* a b) (1+ sz))) c))] 1777889;1517178546;asciilifeform;phf: chew this apart for me ? 1777890;1517179049;asciilifeform;phf: why didja truncate to the ffa bitness ? 1777891;1517179071;asciilifeform;observe that * produces ~two~ FZ onto the stack, not one. 1777892;1517179108;asciilifeform;and that the python example uses both of'em, to test the entire width of the multiplier. and works. 1777893;1517179175;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot 1777894;1517179175;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1777895;1517179202;phf;asciilifeform: oh lulz 1777896;1517179227;asciilifeform;!A ??*Q 1777897;1517179228;pehbot;asciilifeform: 4B22E1172FCE727E6B314B8C59C8E006C757BC27D8D4E74759F0C7BFFA55178C4C2C83F6BC069144F61ECEBF9D8C1B427C04675B8107FCCB541FE11979610AB5 1777898;1517179231;phf;and phf became enlightened 1777899;1517179237;asciilifeform;aaha. 1777900;1517179255;asciilifeform;there you go. 1777901;1517179388;asciilifeform;!A ??``*[print 0x]##[ == 0x]#[ * 0x]# 1777902;1517179388;pehbot;asciilifeform: print 0x14337E4EB2BDBC5A94050DE08B74D0E2A0898FDB8867273FAA974DB195E67AE503DCB77FCB92B67F1DA0CFF0142C6B2481C6205EDA36C4265E5E0AB86BFAF315 == 0xDF812DEB8C3DC0A15994324DB8BEB022DA867AFDFD8E7E1AE704DA29F585069F * 0x172360CF1AA56EAD244177180C8D12BF6C329957E93F2E77E558AE1F7A336DCB 1777903;1517179407;asciilifeform;^ e.g. 1777904;1517180404;mircea_popescu;behold, that there was an empty lot with a lot of hungry people in it that then later became a restaurant. 1777905;1517181633;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'underlying problem' link in your latest piece, eggogs 1777906;1517181744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fixt ty 1777907;1517182462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 2nd eggog, 'very significant costs' 1777908;1517182578;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fixt ? 1777909;1517182586;mircea_popescu;apparently i was drunker than i thought. 1777910;1517182600;asciilifeform;aha worx 1777911;1517188460;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ? 1777912;1517188460;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1777913;1517193696;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 << Loper OS - Dicionar Romn-Englez. 1777914;1517193736;asciilifeform;oh hah deedbot hates orcograms dunnit. 1777915;1517193763;mircea_popescu;lol romns! 1777916;1517193768;asciilifeform;who knew! 1777917;1517193782;asciilifeform;i gotta admit, i picture them as units, like e.g. rems 1777918;1517193810;asciilifeform;'he was exposed to 300 gRomns, expired in convulsions' 1777919;1517193964;mircea_popescu;"lost all his vaginal teeth and instestinal hairs" 1777920;1517194008;asciilifeform;aaha! 1777921;1517194406;*;asciilifeform noticed that the ro_eng_ascii.txt w4r3z was a mega-popular item in the machine log , for quite some time, and so went to put this flag on it. 1777922;1517194455;asciilifeform;the item mircea_popescu gave, 'dex', is also on the conveyor, but will prolly have to wait for peacetime 1777923;1517194528;mircea_popescu;di provenza il mar, il suol... 1777924;1517194578;asciilifeform;aaha 1777925;1517196260;mircea_popescu;aaand in other "guess what sf ideas i got", what if females had no tits, but instead they grew these almond-sized blobs of semi-hard fat on their neck, sorta like corn nibblets on the cobb, and kids just you know, nibbled their neck. 1777926;1517196270;mircea_popescu;sorta grow from one spot and fall out overripe from another. 1777927;1517196283;asciilifeform;pretty sure there is >1 species of fish where -- this 1777928;1517196327;mircea_popescu;possibru 1777929;1517196335;mircea_popescu;imagine the cloud of parasites, you know ? 1777930;1517196382;asciilifeform;for some reason all that comes to mind tho is that 1 fish where the ~male~ attaches, parasitizes, and jettisons the now-useless fins, mouth, arse, digestive tract, etc 1777931;1517196905;mircea_popescu;humans may be headed that way. 1777932;1517196941;asciilifeform;lol 1777933;1517197020;mircea_popescu;what'd even be called, mothercurd ? 1777934;1517206451;lobbes;Added sha1 checksum values for the .zips to show in archive search results >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=example&sortby= 1777935;1517206454;lobbes;Note that this refers to the sha1sum of the -.zip- only and not to the -contents- (i.e. should only be used to verify integrity of .zips recieved via the eventual .zip delivery process) 1777936;1517206725;mircea_popescu;!!up xenmen_ 1777937;1517206725;deedbot;xenmen_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1777938;1517206762;xenmen_;thanks mircea_popescu, just reading up on your site 1777939;1517206769;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1777940;1517206789;xenmen_;I come by ~once a year, an annual tradition, to reread 1777941;1517206846;mircea_popescu;how long does it take you to catch up ? 1777942;1517206902;xenmen_;typically a weekend 1777943;1517206921;mircea_popescu;seems an incredible feat. 1777944;1517206950;xenmen_;(The catch-up, that is; rereading older material I spread over a few weeks to a month) 1777945;1517208113;*;ben_vulpes misread as xemen 1777946;1517224675;shinohai;!~later tell mats can report that https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3 works flawless, no luck on openbsd 1777947;1517224675;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1777948;1517230269;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1777949;1517230279;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11115.25, vol: 10216.39574227 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11241.0, vol: 26813.04006437 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11111.0, vol: 4754.24450221 | Volume-weighted last average: 11195.4615616 1777950;1517232909;shinohai;^111111.11!' 1777951;1517235732;shinohai;asciilifeform: i mirrored your dictionary, and mircea_popescu's wordlist here: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/library/Roman-Englez/ 1777952;1517235859;asciilifeform;shinohai: first file eggogs 1777953;1517235897;shinohai;fixed, saw eggog xD 1777954;1517235909;asciilifeform;nao worx 1777955;1517235925;asciilifeform;it has bitrot in it tho 1777956;1517235948;asciilifeform;i see strange chars 1777957;1517235968;shinohai;yup and also doesn't use --no-emit-version 1777958;1517235992;asciilifeform;acăța , acuÈ™ica 1777959;1517236000;shinohai;lol 1777960;1517236004;shinohai;(tm) 1777961;1517236044;shinohai;but in mircea_popescu's original, I also see strange things 1777962;1517236056;shinohai;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/dicelist-romanian.txt 1777963;1517236089;asciilifeform;is it in some ancient pre-uniturd coding, analogous to ru koi8 ? 1777964;1517236131;asciilifeform;hard to picture how else it could end up like this. 1777965;1517236228;spyked;hm. it seems that the browser (firefox on my side) sets default encoding to "western" for plain txt files; setting it to unicode makes it look normal 1777966;1517236366;shinohai;lol 1777967;1517237549;asciilifeform;hmm in different browser, worx 1777968;1517238035;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186&cpage=1#comment-19118 << in other noose. 1777969;1517240779;ave1;I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1: http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/. 1777970;1517241709;asciilifeform;thinking of switching to a 2week interval; these are not coming out quite the way i want'em 1777971;1517241968;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186&cpage=1#comment-19121 << in other noose. 1777972;1517242177;asciilifeform;shinohai: i have added a link to your mirror in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 , ty 1777973;1517242230;ave1;I'm enjoying the series a lot! (I've now just read ch2 and starting to ingest it...) 1777974;1517242251;asciilifeform;ave1: were you able to build ? 1777975;1517242458;ave1;asciilifeform, yes! also on gnat for musl... 1777976;1517242466;asciilifeform;ooh yeah i recall 1777977;1517242477;*;asciilifeform still has not replicated this marvel 1777978;1517242709;ave1;In the end it took only a small set of changes, but finding these was no fun... 1777979;1517242710;ave1;Ofcourse, I did not want to dive deep into the code of gcc and gnat 1777980;1517242735;asciilifeform;we're doomed to fork gnat eventually 1777981;1517242751;asciilifeform;if only because of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 . 1777982;1517242751;a111;Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable. 1777983;1517242797;ave1;Which makes the process a stupid trying / building / running / failing exercise. 1777984;1517242906;asciilifeform;ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777969 << can i persuade you to put this link in a comment to ch1 ? 1777985;1517242906;a111;Logged on 2018-01-29 15:46 ave1: I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1: http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/. 1777986;1517242911;asciilifeform;for other readers. 1777987;1517243074;asciilifeform;ave1: 'Word is the smallest unit used for the arithmetic in FFA' is not strictly true, there is a HalfWord ( see ch9 ) 1777988;1517243084;asciilifeform;but i suppose you'll get to it at own pace. 1777989;1517243125;asciilifeform;( not to mention WBool, present in ch1, is constrained to arithmetize on 1bit. but indeed Word is smallest physical unit used, there is no byte-addressing in ffa ) 1777990;1517243167;asciilifeform;'why not use the pragma Provide_Shift_Operators?' << it doesn't work on gnat2016, try it 1777991;1517243269;asciilifeform;"Do we need Word_Index or Indices?8". << yes, for proof of nonoverflow. and in general wherever i saw it possible to constrain a type, i constrained it. and will continue doing so. 1777992;1517243337;asciilifeform;'Look at the summation, the sum is (A+B) + Carry, but the next carry is determined by just A, B and the Sum. Are we lucky this is correct?' << work it out on paper. 1777993;1517243397;ave1;I did! it is more a question for other readers 1777994;1517243414;asciilifeform;btw ave1 your comment box dunwork 1777995;1517243422;asciilifeform;demands 'fill in name and email' even when i already did. 1777996;1517243461;asciilifeform;ave1: 'are we lucky this is correct' implies that item was written through the arse, and only 'works by accident', this is not so. 1777997;1517243488;ave1;aha, I made the check for the email to a check for the website (needs to be 6 chars long) 1777998;1517243501;ave1;I'll remove the website check, probable does not do much anyway 1777999;1517243504;ave1;one moment... 1778000;1517243690;asciilifeform;lemme know when fixed 1778001;1517243731;ave1;should be fixed 1778002;1517243775;asciilifeform;nope 1778003;1517243778;asciilifeform;'required fields: name' 1778004;1517243782;asciilifeform;it's utterly broken 1778005;1517243783;ave1;Will work on wording! It was meant as "Take very good care to check out this one" 1778006;1517243795;asciilifeform;I FILLED IN THE FIELDS 1778007;1517244040;ave1;I see change did happen, but still failed the test, one sec... 1778008;1517244052;ave1;I'm sorry for this 1778009;1517244185;asciilifeform;lemme know when it is possible to put a comment.. 1778010;1517244932;asciilifeform;ave1: the comment itself : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3z67x/?raw=true 1778011;1517245039;ave1;asciilifeform: Comments should work now, I can also put this comment in if you like (name == asciilifeform?) 1778012;1517245059;asciilifeform;1s 1778013;1517245076;asciilifeform;still broken !! 1778014;1517245083;asciilifeform;'required fields: name' 1778015;1517245094;asciilifeform;pleez test it yourself ave1 ? then say 'fixed' 1778016;1517245112;asciilifeform;and no, do not put it in in my place. 1778017;1517245114;asciilifeform;fix the commentbox. 1778018;1517245117;ave1;I did self eval... (did you reload?) 1778019;1517245146;asciilifeform;ok seems to work nao... 1778020;1517245149;asciilifeform;(queued) 1778021;1517245154;asciilifeform;or... 1778022;1517245160;asciilifeform;WHERE THE FUCK DID MY LINK GO 1778023;1517245164;asciilifeform;srsly this is nogood. 1778024;1517245172;shinohai;tah asciilifeform ! 1778025;1517245181;ave1;Was queued is now approved 1778026;1517245183;asciilifeform;'TODAY'S LOG' IS A LINK 1778027;1517245312;asciilifeform;!!up xenmen 1778028;1517245313;deedbot;xenmen voiced for 30 minutes. 1778029;1517245332;ave1;I do not get "TODAY'S LOG' IS A LINK" ... 1778030;1517245339;asciilifeform;ave1: please see the paste ? 1778031;1517245354;asciilifeform;ave1: html links do not work in your comment box ? 1778032;1517245393;asciilifeform;i do not understand why you would have both 'ban links' AND premoderation 1778033;1517245611;ave1;Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it... 1778034;1517245754;asciilifeform;hey you're ahead of me, i never even got comments to work at all in my copy of mp-wp 1778035;1517245829;*;asciilifeform would like to see a complete wwwtron in ada. but does not have any spare arms presently for such a thing. 1778036;1517245872;asciilifeform;and when i say 'complete' i mean zero-libraries, a la ffa. kernel calls for i/o, and that's it. 1778037;1517245928;ave1;Meanwhile, I'll fix the links, also I found the problem will report a little later 1778038;1517246040;asciilifeform;ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer 1778039;1517246286;shinohai;"Fitness app lights up staff @ mil bases" is best headline in feed today. 1778040;1517246365;trinque;kinda laughable notion that the location of .mil bases was secret 1778041;1517246395;asciilifeform;iirc there's a few in e.g. africa disguised as 'uh, nuffin at all here, move along' 1778042;1517246410;asciilifeform;and in various post-su lands 1778043;1517246415;asciilifeform;e.g. the torture palace in bucharest 1778044;1517246433;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777911 << not at the moment. when my stack's popped to ffa will try to do my homework on one of the g5s 1778045;1517246433;a111;Logged on 2018-01-29 01:14 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ? 1778046;1517246457;asciilifeform;trinque: actually i was hoping to get a shell on one of your ppc 1778047;1517246463;asciilifeform;for own use 1778048;1517246494;asciilifeform;( i could buy an old ppc , a la BingoBoingo , for fiddybux, but i'd like to go in direction of ~decreasing~ old iron collection, not growing... ) 1778049;1517246496;trinque;ah, I could set that up later in the week. going to be traveling starting tomorrow. 1778050;1517246500;asciilifeform;no rush. 1778051;1517246513;trinque;want g4, g5, both? 1778052;1517246518;asciilifeform;dun make much diff 1778053;1517246526;asciilifeform;prolly g5 is more relevant to future 1778054;1517246541;asciilifeform;( they give moar bang for the antiquarian buck , and more likely to be met with ) 1778055;1517246562;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu a MUSL box is now ready to plug in and serve a form of Qntra... after a weekend of head banging 1778056;1517246562;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1778057;1517246575;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: oh hey 1778058;1517246580;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is cage alive nao? 1778059;1517246646;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Contract start date is Feb 1st, but I am about to poke them to check the wire and see if the racking can start. 1778060;1517246735;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what about ip addrs ? 1778061;1517246811;BingoBoingo;getting some from them and then resubmitting my application to LACNIC. Gotta utilize 64 ip addresses before LACNIC will allocate a /24 1778062;1517246833;asciilifeform;right, but what does that mean in practice ? rack with no permanent ips for month? two ? 1778063;1517246855;asciilifeform;considering the 'escape from dnsism' thing we have going, this actually matters 1778064;1517246898;trinque;and also, handled incorrectly that'll be a lot of boxen that are suddenly unreachable 1778065;1517246924;asciilifeform;aaha 1778066;1517247323;shinohai;http://archive.is/xiKPs no fuckgoats here 1778067;1517247359;asciilifeform;lol pseudobrainwallets never apparently fully died 1778068;1517248028;asciilifeform;!!up sageprobes 1778069;1517248029;deedbot;sageprobes voiced for 30 minutes. 1778070;1517248033;asciilifeform;sageprobes: hello ? 1778071;1517248131;asciilifeform;!!up laplinker 1778072;1517248132;deedbot;laplinker voiced for 30 minutes. 1778073;1517248139;asciilifeform;!!up laplinker 1778074;1517248139;deedbot;laplinker voiced for 30 minutes. 1778075;1517248150;laplinker;thank you :) 1778076;1517248156;asciilifeform;laplinker: what brings you here ? 1778077;1517248188;laplinker;oh, its a long story about AMD, HDT, and looking for sage probes online :) 1778078;1517248213;asciilifeform;laplinker: last i saw they were still available with 'gizmo1' 1778079;1517248252;asciilifeform;laplinker: see the faq, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887 1778080;1517248271;laplinker;yeah, im not so sure i can afford something that costs: "send me a quote" :) 1778081;1517248282;asciilifeform;it costs <200bux, wat 1778082;1517248301;asciilifeform;oh ha, sold out. 1778083;1517248306;laplinker;well that was unexpected , i assumed it would be expensive ,i mean look at the intel xdp 1778084;1517248309;asciilifeform;'We are sorry, but the item you are looking for is no longer available on our website.' 1778085;1517248336;asciilifeform;laplinker: funnily enough, i have an intel xdp, and several boxes with the jack, but never was able to get it running 1778086;1517248354;asciilifeform;it ain't gdb-compatible, for one thing. requires windows shitware which they sold for $10k's and never afaik leaked 1778087;1517248375;laplinker;you should really get one of those minnow boards and a lure board, works OOB with intel DAL at VLV2 config 1778088;1517248376;asciilifeform;for another thing, stock bios on intel boxes disables xdp jack 1778089;1517248400;asciilifeform;laplinker: i don't particularly need this for anything, when i have a working sageprobe and amd boxes 1778090;1517248428;laplinker;sometimes those xdp3 boxed pop up oon ebay, i found mine for about 50$ a few years ago, but now intel is debugging over usb3 1778091;1517248433;asciilifeform;i like how the sage requires literally NO os support on the driving end 1778092;1517248438;asciilifeform;( it sits on lan and you can telnet to it ) 1778093;1517248453;asciilifeform;laplinker: the problem is that the usb3 debug is NOT os-transparent 1778094;1517248460;asciilifeform;i.e. the 'victim' can disable the port 1778095;1517248476;asciilifeform;and at any rate change behaviour when it senses that debug is active 1778096;1517248487;laplinker;asciilifeform: hmm... good point 1778097;1517248498;asciilifeform;considering that half the point of hardware debugger is to debug heavily-antidebuggistic shitware... 1778098;1517248543;laplinker;than for intel platforms, i recommend minnow, but you are already set with AMD so nm 1778099;1517248557;asciilifeform;iirc 'minnow' is a junk board, with nonexpandable ram, etc 1778100;1517248612;asciilifeform;and with random crashes. 1778101;1517248635;asciilifeform;didja ever get it to boot a standard winblows, for instance ? 1778102;1517248702;laplinker;oh, no, i would go that far... maybe win 10 IOT, there is also this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-CONFIDENTIAL-HASWELL-PROCESSOR-Reference-Validation-Board-w-i5-4570R-ES/273038318551?hash=item3f925a1bd7:g:vaQAAOSwU91aWc7R 1778103;1517248723;asciilifeform;laplinker: i have one almost exactly like it 1778104;1517248750;asciilifeform;( never got xdp going, because, again, requires shitware ) 1778105;1517248795;laplinker;asciilifeform: shitware is available for free, part of intel debugger studio (which is shitware) but the "intel DAL" is free 1778106;1517248813;asciilifeform;laplinker: iirc i tried the 'free' ver, it wanted a xdp3. 1778107;1517248822;asciilifeform;what i have iirc is a xdp1. 1778108;1517248836;asciilifeform;( they were at one point sold off for pennies on the dollar ) 1778109;1517248843;laplinker;i have it working with xdp3 and xhci debug 1778110;1517248852;asciilifeform;right, but where the fuck to get a xdp3. 1778111;1517248854;laplinker;the sw i mean 1778112;1517248857;asciilifeform;aa 1778113;1517248868;asciilifeform;0 interest to me, because victim-detectable. 1778114;1517248876;laplinker;xdp3 is hard to find, same i guess as the sage probve 1778115;1517248877;asciilifeform;and dunwork on resetvector in bios. 1778116;1517248914;asciilifeform;sage probe is quite easy to find. 1) get in wot -- register with deedbot 2) make a bid in btc 3) one of the folx here will sell you a sageprobe. 1778117;1517249018;laplinker;hmm... i might actually do that, for the xdp3, they should be popping up more and more the more time passes and most folks use xhci, but thats just a guess 1778118;1517249062;asciilifeform;winintel doesn't want people debugging the drm spyshitware in the bios; or the winblowz kernel. ergo xhci. 1778119;1517249073;asciilifeform;but it so happens that these are the ONLY items i find interesting from hardware debug pov. 1778120;1517249084;asciilifeform;so i have 0 interest in xhci or any other inband debugging. 1778121;1517249092;asciilifeform;and will not comment on it, it is worthless garbage . 1778122;1517249204;laplinker;maybe you will find this interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEJCLX2dtw 1778123;1517249246;asciilifeform;btw laplinker , recent ( 2013? 14? and after..? ) amd opterons suffer from similar problem : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690 1778124;1517249246;a111;Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set. 1778125;1517249259;asciilifeform;i.e. the bios can (and by default does) perma-lock the hdt port after boot 1778126;1517249273;asciilifeform;( on some boxes, shortly after reset, in fact ) 1778127;1517249345;asciilifeform;laplinker: not especially interesting, no. i'm more interested in whatever fallbacks are in there ~separately~ from ME core. nsa fritzchip never come in singles. 1778128;1517249424;asciilifeform;given that the 'security pros' and academia circuses were permitted to make ME core a centerpiece of their self-aggrandizing idiocy, you can be quite certain that there is a fallback. multiple fallbacks. 1778129;1517249437;asciilifeform;at least in recent chips. 1778130;1517249476;asciilifeform;fwiw i will not buy any new intel product. haven't, for quite some time. 1778131;1517249513;asciilifeform;won't buy post-2011 amd either. 1778132;1517249616;ben_vulpes;in other FUD: http://www.tetherreport.com/ 1778133;1517249651;asciilifeform;'The author is concerned about backlash and has asked to remain pseudonymous by signing this report with a public hash of their name' << lol wai am i reading this 1778134;1517249760;asciilifeform;neither i nor anybody else with half a brain need these charts, or 'We are going to use the Kolmogorov-Smirnov test here...', or any of it, to know that 'tether' is a gox-style scam 1778135;1517249793;asciilifeform;and the folx who know, and do not care, are http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768490 , they are as culpable as the orig author. 1778136;1517249793;a111;Logged on 2018-01-10 16:50 asciilifeform: to round off the crackpottery, 'superlinear' is when the chumps deposit their dough, but afterwards ~go home to get more~, to bring friends, etc. 1778137;1517249800;asciilifeform;and deserve to burn on same pyre. 1778138;1517249949;asciilifeform;!!up laplinker 1778139;1517249949;deedbot;laplinker voiced for 30 minutes. 1778140;1517249997;asciilifeform;laplinker: consider registering with deedbot , 1778141;1517249999;asciilifeform;!!help 1778142;1517249999;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1778143;1517250012;asciilifeform;^ get a permanent name. 1778144;1517250347;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1778145;1517250354;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11187.73, vol: 9921.39225920 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11305.0, vol: 23589.32775105 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11191.0, vol: 4556.23247694 | Volume-weighted last average: 11260.7912556 1778146;1517250697;laplinker;sry, had to go deal with some stuff unexpectedly. catching up 1778147;1517250734;asciilifeform;laplinker: register with deedbot; then you will be able to get ratings; and self-voice. 1778148;1517250761;asciilifeform;as it is, if you come back, no one knows who is speaking, 'shakespeare -- or another man by the same name', for instance. 1778149;1517250955;laplinker;Thanks, and thanks for all the help :) 1778150;1517251002;asciilifeform;laplinker: keep in mind also that there can be no question of e.g. selling probes, to somebody not in wot. 1778151;1517251068;trinque;j/i 1778152;1517251070;trinque;d'oh 1778153;1517254697;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-January/000285.html << i noticed, somehow only nao, that it has text 'This experimental vpatch requests blocks from all nodes that send a version message.' >> which has 0 relation to the patch... 1778154;1517254697;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1778155;1517254721;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 or hm nm brain spasm, strike that. 1778156;1517254721;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1778157;1517254740;*;asciilifeform read 'blocks requests' instead of 'requests blocks', prolly oughta sleep moar 1778158;1517254759;asciilifeform;... and to stay away from heavy machinery, lol 1778159;1517254787;mod6;:D 1778160;1517254863;shinohai;Meanwhile, backstage on a filthy mattress: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUusq0dWsAEglEq.jpg 1778161;1517254864;mod6;Thanks for reading and trying to pick out if it said the wrong thing though. I appreciate that. 1778162;1517254888;asciilifeform;mod6: i was rereading , looking for old item, and went 'wtf', but entirely own brain spasm 1778163;1517254916;mod6;ah. you have 'wtf' ptsd maybe 1778164;1517254922;mod6;like i have 'scammer' ptsd 1778165;1517254931;mod6;nothing wrong with that. 1778166;1517254971;asciilifeform;https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6309/31478297.28d/0_85def_d925370_XXXL.jpg << oblig. 1778167;1517255103;asciilifeform;err, https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6312/31478297.28d/0_85de0_78b4abc5_XXXL.jpg 1778168;1517255136;asciilifeform;or perhaps best of all, https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6213/31478297.28d/0_85dde_3ddcbe7e_XXXL.jpg . 1778169;1517255364;mod6;"If you try to throw yourself upon the wheels of the great machine, you're gonna have a bad time, Komrade" 1778170;1517255474;asciilifeform;some of these have pretty great possibilities for double-meaning, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9254/31478297.2d7/0_aca84_b516d1dd_XL.jpg >> 'mmm, hi-fi!11' 1778171;1517255559;trinque;this some kind of "without the workers we wouldn't have all this glorious fy00t0r" ? 1778172;1517255574;asciilifeform;trinque: naaah , orig -- equiv. of american osha plaquards 1778173;1517255586;asciilifeform;cautioning against various 'oopses' 1778174;1517255595;trinque;oh right, ear protection 1778175;1517255606;asciilifeform;https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/kolonist62/album/137117? << moar than you could ever want. 1778176;1517257117;asciilifeform;https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/479589/31478297.35a/0_decf0_ff2e3f85_X5L.jpg << e.g. 'leave unexploded ordnance alone' 1778177;1517257209;asciilifeform;( some of these will make sense only to orcs, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/233577/31478297.35a/0_dece9_75feb48a_X5L.jpg << 'do not dry by the fire clothes you have washed in petrol' ) 1778178;1517257277;trinque;ah speaking of missing fingers, where's that liveleak 1778179;1517257302;trinque;https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=529_1517109784 << of possible interest to BingoBoingo et al 1778180;1517257919;mod6;lol. NO SMOKING! 1778181;1517261777;BingoBoingo;trinque: Ty for the film. Hopefully I can see it sometime before March. 1778182;1517319886;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1778183;1517319895;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10541.86, vol: 10459.43430630 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10560.0, vol: 29727.02621591 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10556.5, vol: 4622.65972429 | Volume-weighted last average: 10555.4046532 1778184;1517323226;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/30/the-initial-cash-trade/ << Bingo Blog - The Initial Cash Trade 1778185;1517324246;mod6;mornin' 1778186;1517324670;BingoBoingo;Good mornin mod6 1778187;1517325056;BingoBoingo;I have to say the silence this morning is a bit extraño 1778188;1517325165;asciilifeform;ohai BingoBoingo , mod6 1778189;1517325282;mod6;hola asciilifeform 1778190;1517325309;mod6;node has been caught up all night. we'll see... 1778191;1517325345;asciilifeform;mod6: speaking of, didja ever try ben_vulpes's moar-aggression patch ? 1778192;1517325358;asciilifeform;the one that actively milks every peer regularly, and not simply on-connect 1778193;1517325360;mod6;ah, no haven't had a chance yet. 1778194;1517325386;asciilifeform;i suspect that his approach is in fat The Right Thing. making connect-time 'special' is every bit as dumb as making boot time special. 1778195;1517325395;asciilifeform;considering that a connection can last for theoretically unlimited time. 1778196;1517325404;asciilifeform;*in fact 1778197;1517325421;mod6;yaeh, i have a feeling that's kinda what was happening to me. but untested yet. 1778198;1517325429;asciilifeform;the ben_vulpes takes the orig fix to the logical conclusion. 1778199;1517325498;asciilifeform;mod6: let's restate the general principle. if you have two or moar trb nodes, and they are 'in communion' with one another regularly, and yet one is several 100 blox behind the other(s) -- THIS IS A BUG 1778200;1517325500;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit. 1778201;1517325505;asciilifeform;it should not be possible. 1778202;1517325530;asciilifeform;it's one thing where prb refuses to serve trb node blox, or puts out some oddball liquishit that gets it malleus'd, etc 1778203;1517325544;asciilifeform;but trb nodes really oughta all be within a few blox of one another at all times. 1778204;1517325558;mod6;i agree. 1778205;1517325579;asciilifeform;so for so long as this situation continues to be observed anywhere -- we have a bug. 1778206;1517326311;mod6;Tuning the best interval between when we would query a connected host seems like it might take some doing. Right now, looks like 20 minutes (in ben's vpatch). 1778207;1517326399;mod6;Maybe gotta get another dedicated env. :D 1778208;1517326474;mod6;Or just gotta wait and see if i drop behind. Then may just compile it in. Will report back once I have something on this. 1778209;1517326511;phf;"Reading in the Dark: Does fiction matter in a post-fact age? harpers.org" 1778210;1517326522;*;phf shudders 1778211;1517326754;shinohai;!~later tell trinque http://btcinfo.sdf.org/znc.html 1778212;1517326754;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1778213;1517327516;asciilifeform;phf: 'if you're reading it, it's for you!111' (tm)(r)(tlp) 1778214;1517329102;phf;asciilifeform: oh i just read the headers, that's why i only post the headers. 1778215;1517329148;asciilifeform;lolk 1778216;1517329287;phf;the content of these articles is as much of a mystery to me as they are to the log reader. maybe it's zavalishin writing obituary for bardin, but i doubt it. 1778217;1517329817;asciilifeform;it's ~always shannonized liquishit. 1778218;1517330717;asciilifeform;!~later tell ave1 http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/#comment-15 1778219;1517330717;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1778220;1517332487;BingoBoingo;Guess who finally got a trendy Latino haircut! 1778221;1517332656;mod6;got a bit of a fade? 1778222;1517332728;BingoBoingo;And how! 1778223;1517332793;BingoBoingo;We will see how it looks once I manage to get back to the hostel and shower off the loose hairs, but I had to do something while I awaited compiling. 1778224;1517334287;shinohai;!!key phf 1778225;1517334289;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/BDDE12104FE81BE7F83B698F5356DE4752432A9E.asc 1778226;1517334378;shinohai;!~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eicC1/?raw=true 1778227;1517334378;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1778228;1517334577;BingoBoingo;In other WTFs, the bank Account one is setting me up with... is finally taking an interest in processing my application only six or seven weeks later. 1778229;1517334588;BingoBoingo;*accountant one 1778230;1517336290;*;BingoBoingo wonders how many crocodiles mircea_popescu is chilling with on his latest viaje 1778231;1517336406;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja meet the rack yet ? 1778232;1517336772;BingoBoingo;Carrying shit over there in the morning tomorrow. Last visit it was looking good. Awaiting the necessary information to get the routing configured as best as I can before plugin time. 1778233;1517336824;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do they have a console on wheels, or how is the after-the-screws-tightened config usually done nowadays ? 1778234;1517336997;BingoBoingo;I am about to find out. But I recall seeing some sorta carts chilling in the human habitble zone. 1778235;1517339533;trinque;shinohai: might even consider making them pay. gotta be years of znc in a pair of tits 1778236;1517339578;shinohai;well i have an addy up, best plaque i can put up. 1778237;1517339662;shinohai;there is a surfeit of tits, years of znc in btc 1778238;1517339717;trinque;"well I have an addy up" is not selling a product 1778239;1517339746;trinque;why import the empire's "everything's free, gotta beg for tips" 1778240;1517339763;trinque;could do some amount for free, then chick has to pay. it'd be good for her 1778241;1517339826;trinque;^ doyousee.jpg 1778242;1517339949;shinohai;yes emmylark is encouraged to contact me with mircea_popescu 's permission 1778243;1517343383;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1778244;1517343386;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 506870 | Current Difficulty: 2.603077300218E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 508031 | Next Difficulty In: 1161 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1778245;1517347020;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1778246;1517347028;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10125.0, vol: 19535.12925929 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10283.0, vol: 58479.92249382 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10095.4, vol: 9831.60241359 | Volume-weighted last average: 10226.8685618 1778247;1517347442;shinohai;http://archive.is/q81UH << hehe 1778248;1517347756;ben_vulpes;gonna be the death of phil, that will be 1778249;1517349796;mod6;heh, for a moment i read 'pursuits' as 'pantsuits' 1778250;1517350142;shinohai;lol mod6 1778251;1517350637;mod6;!!up tmsrznc 1778252;1517350637;deedbot;tmsrznc voiced for 30 minutes. 1778253;1517352001;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2018/01/how-to-fix-us-national-defense-doctrine.html << in other lullies. 1778254;1517352981;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj 1778255;1517352989;asciilifeform;!!up mp_en_viaje 1778256;1517352989;deedbot;mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes. 1778257;1517353049;mp_en_viaje;hola! 1778258;1517353093;*;mp_en_viaje is sitting pretty @ the 5 star bogota summit hotel. 1778259;1517353113;mp_en_viaje;2017 choice of some derpy website no less!!! 1778260;1517353147;asciilifeform;oh hey iirc bogota was a runner-up in the castle-popescustein race, wasnnit. 1778261;1517353173;mp_en_viaje;i can sadly report that ye olde days of raping the chambermaids and somon fumee buffet breakfast are all gone. 1778262;1517353366;shinohai;oh hiya mp_en_viaje 1778263;1517353394;mp_en_viaje;hola 1778264;1517353716;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777970 << infiniely better to keep time discipline and adjust material than to lose time discipline to adjust it to your disease. 1778265;1517353716;a111;Logged on 2018-01-29 16:01 asciilifeform: thinking of switching to a 2week interval; these are not coming out quite the way i want'em 1778266;1517353732;asciilifeform;adjust material how ? 1778267;1517353746;asciilifeform;can be broken down into the smallest logical cuts, but not smaller. 1778268;1517353803;mp_en_viaje;there's just no way the smallest logical cuts are longer than weeklong. 1778269;1517353963;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778033 << it has a tags allowed for comment. if you put b user can bold, if not no. you may not have a on the list. 1778270;1517353963;a111;Logged on 2018-01-29 17:06 ave1: Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it... 1778271;1517353979;asciilifeform;even nao they're pretty light on the algo mechanics . ( asciilifeform does not know if there's 0 complaint from readership because everybody-grasps-anyway, or because ~nobody reads... ) 1778272;1517353982;mp_en_viaje;iirc this is exposed in the admin gui, settings something 1778273;1517354061;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778035 << an ada lamp would need you know, the a and the m. it may be possible to write a sqlizer in ada ; but i have my doubts an ada apache is actually possible. 1778274;1517354061;a111;Logged on 2018-01-29 17:10 asciilifeform would like to see a complete wwwtron in ada. but does not have any spare arms presently for such a thing. 1778275;1517354078;asciilifeform;let's consider this puzzler 1778276;1517354085;asciilifeform;what exactly is 'ada apache' ? 1778277;1517354159;asciilifeform;http server ? fwiw adacore distributes one. ( i dun like it, for same reason as apache -- it's a megatonne of gnarl . but, it does in fact work, and benefits from the language guarantees etc ) 1778278;1517354174;mp_en_viaje;link between ram/disk and net in html protocol. 1778279;1517354180;mp_en_viaje;you know what apache does neh ? 1778280;1517354192;asciilifeform;there's nothing particularly high-tech about serving http 1778281;1517354214;mp_en_viaje;there is one you say ? me had no idea. 1778282;1517354216;asciilifeform;certainly easier problem, algorithmically, than e.g. bignum 1778283;1517354241;mp_en_viaje;apache is a terrible mess even today ; you might recall my regular meltdowns whenever tryin g to get it to work. 1778284;1517354246;mp_en_viaje;i expect ada's "works" ~same 1778285;1517354259;asciilifeform;i have not tried, could not get past the gag reflex last time 1778286;1517354270;asciilifeform;prolly will end up writing own. 1778287;1517354300;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778059 << feb 1st is just fine. 1778288;1517354300;a111;Logged on 2018-01-29 17:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Contract start date is Feb 1st, but I am about to poke them to check the wire and see if the racking can start. 1778289;1517354335;asciilifeform;fwiw ada's built-in sane threading and non-semaphoric thread-to-thread info passing features make it an inviting idea. 1778290;1517354363;mp_en_viaje;indeed. threading major problem even on modern apaches. 1778291;1517354374;asciilifeform;the fundamental disease is that c is retarded. 1778292;1517354382;asciilifeform;from this, flows apache etc. 1778293;1517354431;mp_en_viaje;somehow i had like an inkling tou'll say that 1778294;1517354435;asciilifeform;lol 1778295;1517354671;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778097 << maybe even slightly more than half lol 1778296;1517354671;a111;Logged on 2018-01-29 17:54 asciilifeform: considering that half the point of hardware debugger is to debug heavily-antidebuggistic shitware... 1778297;1517354699;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's also needed for any kind of serious work on bios ( incl pci cards ) 1778298;1517354718;mp_en_viaje;in other news, apparently bogota has bdsm bar, open all night. 1778299;1517354734;mp_en_viaje;in the quaint words of the virgin mary, oh im totally going. 1778300;1517355076;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in entomology, gem , 'Ada is arguably more successful in its domain not because of its ridiculous verbosity, but because it has higher level features, separation of concerns, safety checks, development teams focused on embedded programming, aircraft specialists and programmers working on the compilers, etc. One could still take all of these same Ada experts, brainwash them, and have them (or another team with more sense) i 1778301;1517355076;asciilifeform;mplement a more reasonable syntax and notation while keeping the same range checks, contract checks, safety checks, stack abilities, separation of concerns (type declarations, arrays vs pointers to pointers, by reference vs by value or in/out params, modules, high level threading abilities, sub modules, packages).' 1778302;1517355081;asciilifeform;( http://wiki.c2.com/?AdaLanguage ) 1778303;1517355407;mp_en_viaje;lol.. the "one could take republican and brainwash" is essentially the imperial fantasy 1778304;1517355416;asciilifeform;exactly. is why quoted. 1778305;1517355440;mp_en_viaje;"we, too, could have things" "how the fuck could you ever have anything ?" "well, if we did, then we would" "certainly." 1778306;1517355444;asciilifeform;'we can have exactly #trilema but out of aryans and to serve clitler.' aka 'servantleaderz'!11 1778307;1517355536;mp_en_viaje;"there's nothing intrinsically political about corectness, we could make armies out of transsexuals and scientists out of reformed scammers, why not!" 1778308;1517355580;mp_en_viaje;but hey, the fantasy that it works for them is a large part of why bitcoin corrupts so well. 1778309;1517355605;mp_en_viaje;giraffe that imagines it too could digest lions makes lion's favourite giraffe brand, i expect. 1778310;1517355655;asciilifeform;wolf never seems to stop thinking he can digest wolfsangel, also 1778311;1517355664;asciilifeform;or fish -- hook 1778312;1517355699;mp_en_viaje;(the transsexual army is not a rhetorical flourish. think : what is a transsexual ? one a) unoccupied enough to question something as fundamental as his sex and also b) dumb enough to get the wrong answer. meanwhile what is army built of ? a) people who obey orders. so...) 1778313;1517355720;asciilifeform;eh castration cults have existed in the past. 1778314;1517355724;asciilifeform;what's 1 moar. 1778315;1517355737;mp_en_viaje;indeed. 1778316;1517356143;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778217 << word, the useless pinoy kid pens spun content re viagra while his exact equivalent from the white horde pens spun libtard interes titems. they're closer than they realise -- including the involuntary celibacy. 1778317;1517356143;a111;Logged on 2018-01-30 16:30 asciilifeform: it's ~always shannonized liquishit. 1778318;1517356219;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from asciilifeform's tortureroom, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpboard.jpg 1778319;1517356225;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778230 << all they got here are butt implants. and how! 1778320;1517356225;a111;Logged on 2018-01-30 18:18 BingoBoingo wonders how many crocodiles mircea_popescu is chilling with on his latest viaje 1778321;1517356227;asciilifeform;^ pet's board 1778322;1517356286;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, why's she all shying out anyway ? nobody ate the emmy lark character, whats the worst that can happen! 1778323;1517356314;asciilifeform;iirc the exact eggog was 'dun have anuffingtosay yet' 1778324;1517356328;mp_en_viaje;so ? maybe i have something to say to her. 1778325;1517356352;mp_en_viaje;conversation isn't waiting for the other speaker to finally shut up so you can speak your piece. 1778326;1517356354;asciilifeform;i'ma have to pass this message. 1778327;1517356403;mp_en_viaje;this entire tower is built ou tof things that "i had no idea i was going to make before". 1778328;1517356409;asciilifeform;verily. 1778329;1517356414;mp_en_viaje;but since i did x therefore y follows and so on. 1778330;1517356635;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778242 << nah, for one if you set up her bouncer you can read her logs, and for the other it breeds bad habits. she can do it herself once i get around to putting it on her menu ; meanwhile if enough folk complain ima just have her not chan till then 1778331;1517356635;a111;Logged on 2018-01-30 19:19 shinohai: yes emmylark is encouraged to contact me with mircea_popescu 's permission 1778332;1517356738;mp_en_viaje;omg caught up with logs within the hour ? this was way less painful than i had feared. 1778333;1517357102;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in archaeology dept, http://macos9lives.com 1778334;1517357135;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo , ben_vulpes , possibly other escapees from crapple, ^ et al might be entertained 1778335;1517357170;ben_vulpes;awwww 1778336;1517357193;asciilifeform;the discussion of latency reminds me of the 1990s bebox enthusiasts 1778337;1517357198;ben_vulpes;8.6 was peak macos in my book 1778338;1517357207;asciilifeform;although they very much have a point, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763155 . 1778339;1517357207;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 16:05 asciilifeform: but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.' 1778340;1517357231;asciilifeform;the commonplace pc is rubbish in re latency. and absolutely worthless for realtime signal processing. 1778341;1517357240;asciilifeform;even under 'realtime linux' 1778342;1517357250;*;asciilifeform tried, for machine tool control. rubbish. 1778343;1517357251;mp_en_viaje;shit, peakx reminds me, what the hell happened to that whole peak oil craze. 1778344;1517357264;asciilifeform;happened? 1778345;1517357281;mp_en_viaje;when's you last heard sbout it ? cca 2012ish or so neh ? 1778346;1517357320;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: pretty much every orlol post, lol. tho he has an epicycle to explain why it dun push up price of barrel monotonically : demand destruction 1778347;1517357335;*;asciilifeform unequipped to refute or confirm the notion 1778348;1517357375;mp_en_viaje;eh, at some point it was a major mainstream item, late 00s or so. kinda bicoin of the period, $item every office drone hasta know about / if you don't have "formed your own oppinion 1778349;1517357381;mp_en_viaje;' you cant be properly called man. 1778350;1517357410;asciilifeform;pretty sure it was only ever 'mainstream' among the folx who were 'imminent remonetization of gold' etc. 1778351;1517357414;*;trinque suspected cunning bastards at $oilcorp marketing dept 1778352;1517357417;mp_en_viaje;naaa 1778353;1517357437;mp_en_viaje;it was genuine craze, like "greenhouse gases" or "berlin wall" or what have you 1778354;1517357443;mp_en_viaje;"war in europe" 1778355;1517357461;asciilifeform;orlol just recently ( last wk ? ) put out a claim of 'smallest new petrodiscoveries in any year since 1943' but i have nfi with what he could substantiate such a statement 1778356;1517357480;asciilifeform;afaik 0 of the required info is at all public. 1778357;1517357488;asciilifeform;for the obvious reason. 1778358;1517357500;mp_en_viaje;eh gtfo, smallest test drill bugdet since 1950 1778359;1517357536;mp_en_viaje;i suspect everyone's waiting for that global warming to melt the rich north. canada, russia, there's where to find 1778360;1517357719;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, wtf demand for oil is supposed to be destructed ? more cars on road than ever in history. 1778361;1517357745;ben_vulpes;also US shale producers "walking and chewing gum" at the same time; many squeezed operations down into productivity despite opec production increase and still managed to borrow and open up more reserves 1778362;1517357758;mp_en_viaje;you should see fucking $200 a month clombia. it is SO BAD they have two colors of plates, and yellow (normal people) can only go every other day 1778363;1517357762;shinohai;yeah thats a point mp_en_viaje 1778364;1517357772;mp_en_viaje;which, of course, as all socialist idiocy, resulted in everyone buying >2 cars. 1778365;1517357807;asciilifeform;i'm unequipped to comment, because i do not consider the sources accessible to me on www, to be anything other than disinfo; and having no line to petroseekritz meself, leaves ~0 ; so cannot add to this. 1778366;1517357816;mp_en_viaje;ben_vulpes, yeah, the saudi genius dood's plan worked as wel las if nuland made it. 1778367;1517357849;ben_vulpes;yup, they blinked 1778368;1517357853;asciilifeform;the americans indeed have the cars; they sit parked on the street; but lacking work to commute to, they dun eat petrol so much. hence orlol's 'destruction' observation. 1778369;1517357863;shinohai;for me it worked on premise that "private messages" were always gpg encrypted 1778370;1517357877;mp_en_viaje;eh bs. there's 300mn usians not going anywhere and 2bn orcs going around in circles 1778371;1517357881;ben_vulpes;likely a large factor in this "corruption" witchhunt even "omfg blew trillions trying to put the us shale market out of biz, need to recoup from somewhere" 1778372;1517357909;mp_en_viaje;you understand bogota is 2x the size of ny ? you've not seen traffic jams this good in ny. not since.... well never, back when it still mattered they didn't have the cars. 1778373;1517357952;mp_en_viaje;ben_vulpes, it is to me unclear how orcistan (mineral producerI could be said to have realised losses. 1778374;1517357954;asciilifeform;nao i gotta see this 1778375;1517357983;mp_en_viaje;russia, saudi arabia, or a random streetwalker are in the same position : the cunt they sell has little relation to the money people make in an economy they're no tpart of. 1778376;1517358034;mp_en_viaje;so you know, how did whore "lose a trillion" ? 1778377;1517358066;asciilifeform;selling minerals is exactly same 'lottery winner's disease', this was known long ago 1778378;1517358119;mp_en_viaje;no, but this is fantasy fullfillment wank among the girls themselves, "oh, the gringo paid gordita x 599 and i'm so much better then her so every time i suck it for a 20 i lose out 579". rrrrrheheheheally. 1778379;1517358138;mp_en_viaje;your item is worth $0, everything you get for it is green, get off the "losses" nonsense. 1778380;1517358146;asciilifeform;riaa-'losses' lol 1778381;1517358166;asciilifeform;( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777333 . ) 1778382;1517358166;a111;Logged on 2018-01-26 23:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777305 << 'One of Japan’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges said that about $400 million in NEM tokens ...' >> asciilifeform was replacing a ceiling light and lost a screw, which he arbitrarily will value at 500 trillion unified reformed dubloons 1778383;1517358179;mp_en_viaje;losses are a product of optionality. wtf optinality does saudi have ? if they don't sell it they could also... sell it ? o wow. such options. 1778384;1517358217;asciilifeform;that's on the sane people planet. on the idjit orc planet, 'loss' is the delta between the fantasy 'i am worth!' and the actuality. 1778385;1517358225;mp_en_viaje;yaya 1778386;1517358281;mp_en_viaje;btw asciilifeform you might enjoy columbia for the following unexpected property : 1778387;1517358312;mp_en_viaje;they seem 100% unaware us exists. at all. "americano" strictly means newworlder and other than this there is 0 reference. anywhere. 1778388;1517358320;asciilifeform;this is attractive. 1778389;1517358344;asciilifeform;iirc they also serve up coca like tobacco there? or is that long ago gone 1778390;1517358364;mp_en_viaje;i've not seen any. i suspect drug reports to be greatly exagerated 1778391;1517358405;asciilifeform;prolly; they seem to always follow the familiar pattern of 'i heard from a sailor that he heard...' 1778392;1517358422;mp_en_viaje;in any case, san jose cr is permeated by perpetual skunk 1778393;1517358452;mp_en_viaje;here, not so far smelled any. no visible intoxication, no methgirls... 1778394;1517358454;ben_vulpes;mp_en_viaje: well they didn't offset the costs of eleventy thousand princelings while the spigots were open... 1778395;1517358464;*;asciilifeform not aficionado, in any case 1778396;1517358496;mp_en_viaje;ben_vulpes, conceivably. tho the golden age of saudi prince seem more like 80s. 1778397;1517358501;mp_en_viaje;if the shah of brunei can 1778398;1517358509;mp_en_viaje;t find ONE woman he likes... 1778399;1517358546;ben_vulpes;certainly, golden age of individual prince has long since passed, but the sheer number of them running around are such that they even raise the hackles of normally entirely diversity++ towns like portland, with the all-reflective nissans etc 1778400;1517358556;ben_vulpes;running over our children, etc 1778401;1517358570;mp_en_viaje;yes but how many billions does a nissan cost. 1778402;1517358588;mp_en_viaje;ITS A FUCKING NISSAN FFS. seems to me you just deliverd my point right there. 1778403;1517358599;ben_vulpes;few, but how many princelings are now running around. the nissans are saved for the poorest, who don't even get into nyu. 1778404;1517358611;mp_en_viaje;i dunno. 1778405;1517358622;ben_vulpes;hey it was a nice one!!1 "don't laugh, it's paid in full" or whatever that bumper sticker says 1778406;1517358657;mp_en_viaje;how many feckless usgistani boys in business school tell listless, confused girlies from ohio they're saudi princes i could not guess. bu the fambly itself is under 2k. 1778407;1517359392;*;asciilifeform in 25+yr on east usa has yet to see 'reflective nissan' or anything self-labeled or otherwise as 'arab prince' 1778408;1517359400;asciilifeform;somehow they all ended up on ben_vulpes's end 1778409;1517359422;mp_en_viaje;maybe there's better tail there 1778410;1517359428;asciilifeform;gotta be some reason. 1778411;1517359445;ben_vulpes;doubtful, all the girls out here spend all day on twitter triggering themselves. 1778412;1517359548;asciilifeform;re vintage crapple upstack, https://archive.is/2acLZ >> specifically comment http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8fQK2/?raw=true 1778413;1517359568;asciilifeform;funnily enuff asciilifeform once worked in exactly such a lab 1778414;1517359588;asciilifeform;( where 68k crapples were lovingly cared for, they controlled ~irreplaceable heavy machinery ) 1778415;1517359652;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778333 << i actually run os 9 on all of my ppc devices. it's got MCL, simple games, pixel perfect graphics (something i have soft spot for) and shit ton of perfectly workable software. 1778416;1517359652;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 00:05 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in archaeology dept, http://macos9lives.com 1778417;1517359681;asciilifeform;the graphics in particular , i gotta concur with 1778418;1517359712;asciilifeform;i'm still looking for something that ran that os, that will eat an ssd 1778419;1517359725;mp_en_viaje;wut is ppc here ? 1778420;1517359733;asciilifeform;( several unsuccessful attempts litter asciilifeform's parts room ) 1778421;1517359747;phf;mp_en_viaje: powerpc 1778422;1517359749;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: old cpu 1778423;1517359752;mp_en_viaje;ah 1778424;1517359757;asciilifeform;derived orig from ibm's 'power' 1778425;1517359788;phf;i suspect mp knows what powerpc is, in logs frequently, but the common abbreviation is rarely used 1778426;1517359789;asciilifeform;( which interestingly is still made, 5GHz and, what, 40core power9 , released just few wks ago, beats shit out of intel's item ) 1778427;1517359869;mp_en_viaje;means all sorts of other thngs. pockt pc, payperclick, etc 1778428;1517359891;asciilifeform;lol, and nazi pistol 1778429;1517359894;asciilifeform;or was that ppk. 1778430;1517359930;mp_en_viaje;ppsh ? 1778431;1517359937;asciilifeform;unrelated 1778432;1517359955;asciilifeform;was thinking of walther ppk. 1778433;1517359958;mp_en_viaje;a 1778434;1517359964;asciilifeform;the one der fuhrer himself ate. 1778435;1517360002;mp_en_viaje;polizeipistol 1778436;1517360026;asciilifeform;aha it 1778437;1517360093;phf;"walther ppk, 7.65 millimetre. only three men i know use such a gun and i believe i've killed two of them." 1778438;1517360463;asciilifeform;phf: on what do you have os9 running ? 1778439;1517360512;asciilifeform;( apparently there is an entire underground of folx trying to patch it to boot on g5 etc... i had nfi until nao ) 1778440;1517360712;asciilifeform;i'll also admit to being curious re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778337 1778441;1517360712;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 00:06 ben_vulpes: 8.6 was peak macos in my book 1778442;1517360718;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes : why 8.6 1778443;1517360785;phf;i don't remember specific designators, a g3 ibook that was a hand me down when i was poor and just came to this country, a g4 powerbook that i bought since it was "last model to run os 9", a wallstreet that someone game recently (i like the "my name is the plague" kind of feel to it, but have no use for it) 1778444;1517360814;phf;and a powermac g4, that i haven't booted in a while. i'm pretty sure it has netbsd on it though 1778445;1517360815;asciilifeform;curious re the 'last model' in particular 1778446;1517360822;asciilifeform;which machine is it. 1778447;1517360830;phf;k, one sec 1778448;1517360926;phf;a1025 1778449;1517360935;asciilifeform;ty 1778450;1517360959;asciilifeform;i have a -- what i think is -- 'lombard'. but with ancient and dying mechanical hdd, and it won't eat literally anything in its place, tried repeatedly. 1778451;1517360995;BingoBoingo; i can sadly report that ye olde days of raping the chambermaids and somon fumee buffet breakfast are all gone. << Butt the accents are clear and they open their mouths to speak! 1778452;1517360998;asciilifeform;( thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631238 & elsewhere ) 1778453;1517360998;a111;Logged on 2017-03-22 23:43 asciilifeform: btw maybe pete_dushenski can tell me the seekrit of how to get 'lombard' to eat an ssd. 1778454;1517361028;phf;you probably want this https://everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/last-macs-to-boot-startup-macos-9.html though i think i used a different table for reference 1778455;1517361051;asciilifeform;phf: ha, i had nfi a1025 could eat os9. i have 1 (nao sadly dead mb) in the hardware tomb. 1778456;1517361114;phf;https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.0.html 1778457;1517361123;BingoBoingo; what exactly is 'ada apache' ? << Done right prolly something similar to lighttpd without the C 1778458;1517361130;asciilifeform;phf: right, exactly it 1778459;1517361157;asciilifeform;the one with the cast iron hinges that were guaranteed to crack after 500 or so flexings 1778460;1517361196;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, sure, i've no complaints. 1778461;1517361218;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've been quietly looking into 'what's needed in a www server' for a while. good chunk of 'expected' liquishit can be jettisoned without any tears (e.g. requests ~other than~ GET and PUT . fuck'em ) 1778462;1517361245;mp_en_viaje;by the time you're stuck forcing yourself on zee maids you've got other problems should be attending to anyway ; and one can always buy his own breakfast. 1778463;1517361284;phf;there was a fat guy at 2600 meetups in dc (in crystal city, which are unfortunately no more), who was doing infosec for mil and who always had cool toys. i mean coming from moscow in the 90s, all these people casually showing off the $3000 equipment, talking of dumpster diving whole computers, it was kind of like moving into The Hackers. culture ~completely~ dead 1778464;1517361305;BingoBoingo; 8.6 was peak macos in my book << 7.5.1 1778465;1517361306;asciilifeform;phf: i went to 1 or 2 of those particular meets 1778466;1517361311;asciilifeform;was epic snoar 1778467;1517361317;asciilifeform;no one had anyffin but prattle 1778468;1517361321;asciilifeform;no magic iron, in particular 1778469;1517361343;phf;well, it's because you went there for content :> i was doing socializing with americans and such 1778470;1517361358;phf;that was 2002 or so 1778471;1517361362;asciilifeform;i did however get to dumpsterdive whole comps. but that was elsewhere, in long-demolished-nao office parks of suburbia. 1778472;1517361390;asciilifeform;for many years in fact had no other kind of iron. 1778473;1517361393;phf;yeah, those guys would organize dumpster diving runs 1778474;1517361410;phf;which was convenient since i didn't really know the area at all 1778475;1517361418;*;asciilifeform never would have conceived of revealing to another, where the magical dumps were, lol 1778476;1517361419;mp_en_viaje;i think the thing now is "run through abandoned in fac tbut not on books mil bases, take pics". 1778477;1517361424;mp_en_viaje;the scenes move, right. 1778478;1517361511;*;mp_en_viaje apologizes for the approximated spelling. new kbd. 1778479;1517361512;*;trinque pulled a rack and couple servers out of the trash behind some biotech lab when ~16 1778480;1517361520;phf;there's a strange lul in the scene, because necessary aged youngsters are glued to ipads. and i'm not just being an old grandpa, there's literally a whole generation missing at the outside activities 1778481;1517361579;mp_en_viaje;hm. iirc we even had them in the logs. here's our run of chernobyl here;s our run of nevada nuclear missil base etc 1778482;1517361602;mp_en_viaje;they're fewer by headcount than the "erryone empowered" stuff in the 90s, granted. but it may be better quality. 1778483;1517361627;mp_en_viaje;phreaker scene, pre internet (really, killed by internet) was also less numerous, but arguably stronger individually 1778484;1517361636;asciilifeform;i always assumed that those are eternal, but simply not in my light cone 1778485;1517361650;asciilifeform;rather than vanished 1778486;1517361653;phf;oh right right, that was a while ago though, i suspect that photographing ue for livejournal has been a decade long activity. they've just been increasing the boldness 1778487;1517361697;BingoBoingo; they seem 100% unaware us exists. at all. "americano" strictly means newworlder and other than this there is 0 reference. anywhere. << AHA, this weekend I heave heard the word "gringo" more than any other time so far because a New Zealander tried to insist he and I are gringos to a couple of Chilenas, and they Chilenas had to keep telling him BingoBoingo es un gringo, pero the New Zealander was just a very tall, pale asian 1778488;1517361705;mp_en_viaje;well "when did i tstart" is always an iffy q. but to my mind that's the current scene. 1778489;1517361707;phf;there was that russian team that was breaking into scyscapers in jetsetter cities and taking risky pictures, but i think that died with the rubble crash 1778490;1517361723;mp_en_viaje;much like you know, the 0day/elecart scene was THE scene mid 90s 1778491;1517361770;phf;well, that's good, cause then i can relax for a bit! 1778492;1517361777;mp_en_viaje;phf, why do you think it died ? going by what, some measure of www activity / 1778493;1517361844;phf;actually i don't know! i'm in a bad place, spatially, DC is literally the worst place to keep tabs on this kind of stuff. everything seems dead, but i know if i were to just travel two hours north there's going to be updates on what's happening 1778494;1517361879;mp_en_viaje;dc is a shithole. but... i dunno, im unconvinced by the theory "kids today" = ded. the mass is about as motile as a fish in vinegar, yes. but .. they always were. 1778495;1517361929;phf;but i think that it died on the tail end of "asians who were all black outfits made of space materials", which is a kind of postcyberpunk think that happened in the 00s. 1778496;1517361935;phf;*wear all 1778497;1517361966;BingoBoingo; here, not so far smelled any. no visible intoxication, no methgirls... << Here lots of cannabis and they discovered edibles so you see a lot of intoxication without the smell. Only they very poor and New Zealanders seem to seek out stims. 1778498;1517361975;mp_en_viaje;arguably the other scene is the chemhipsters. 1778499;1517361987;mp_en_viaje;whole lotta "what does this potion do" self-experimentation. 1778500;1517362003;mp_en_viaje;it's sad in that it will go strictly nowhere, but... what can you do. 1778501;1517362090;phf;oh yeah, but again, slowed down, because of analog regulations. 5 years or so you had all these labs popping up, tweaking common chemicals (like ketamine into methoxetamine) 1778502;1517362117;mp_en_viaje;there's more today than a year ago. 1778503;1517362142;mp_en_viaje;from what i can see it grew each year since pre bitcoin. 2007ish 1778504;1517362269;BingoBoingo;The great geopolitical risk is that the stoners do to Uruguay what the trannies are doing to USia... a malignant species of nothing 1778505;1517362316;mp_en_viaje;it's not physically possible, you know, to have the same silly "informationsuperhighway" wank today. scenes are usually borne of specific ignorances which permit specific hopes to flourish. so today its photorecon-parkour and self-administered drmengele. 1778506;1517362357;mp_en_viaje;spiderman got bit by a strange bottle, right ? it wasn't a prepubescent girly some dood in british academia was trying not to actually fuck. it was spiderman! 1778507;1517362385;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, i don 1778508;1517362396;mp_en_viaje;t think anyone imagines uruguay can be genoa of 2020. 1778509;1517362440;BingoBoingo;Not at all, but it imagines it is a place that can keep enough Brasileros happy to not turn into a small Argnetina 1778510;1517362456;mp_en_viaje;with any luck.... 1778511;1517362503;mp_en_viaje;i have a new theory by the way. so bogota is ~8mn inhabitants. and there's DISTINCT signs of argentinetardation. but i mean itemized, multiple strands, quite visible. eyt the folk themselves aren't at all similar, not fenotypically nor culturally. 1778512;1517362521;mp_en_viaje;in no case is the farc-ready colombian any kind of argentino dickless "letrado". 1778513;1517362528;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: oh hm like what ? getting stuck in doorways ? 1778514;1517362536;mp_en_viaje;i suspect the sheer size of town may have deleterious effects. "go over 5mn pop at your fucken peril 1778515;1517362569;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, girl called desk to call me a cab. desk wanted to know where it's going. insistently. when they didn't get what they want, they OPTED NOT TO DO WHAT TOLD. 1778516;1517362590;asciilifeform;what do folx in a 5M+ city busy themselves with anyway..? they can't all drive cabs or sell stocks 1778517;1517362592;mp_en_viaje;and when i tell the girly there "when you are told to get cab you get cab" she had BUTS in her schedule! 1778518;1517362596;mp_en_viaje;fancy that wonder. 1778519;1517362636;phf;oh yeah, scenes have that property discussed in thread about opensource, once it's named it's over. i'm actually more interested not in the scenes themselves, but in how they evolve one into another and how differrent scenes influence each other. something dies, gets replaced by some mutation of something else resurrected, or rediscovered, etc. etc. etc. 1778520;1517362640;mp_en_viaje;but there's plenty of other things. utterly inept real estate market, exact same thingas buenos aires -- 500k+ units on market, high prices for no reason, 500 close a yeat at MOST, rest happy to wait. 1778521;1517362644;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: that sounds ominous. prolly symptom of americanization. '3ringbinder said 'must say where cab will go or no cab', so no cab' 1778522;1517362661;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, 0 detectable usg influence in ANY way i can see 1778523;1517362684;trinque;lol what do they do in americaland, "buy and sell stocks, and drive cab" 1778524;1517362685;asciilifeform;then gotta be the traditional 'i do what i want' orcism 1778525;1517362689;mp_en_viaje;phf, i suspect this nver happens, "evolve into one another". seems t ome it'salways 100% new biostock 1778526;1517362696;trinque;I would've said this in jest of soviet perceptions of AMERICA (TM) 1778527;1517362717;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, ro consul here thinks its a lot of you know, money laundering. 1778528;1517362726;trinque;"why, they sit at a big table in a skyscraper and shout 'business!' at each other" 1778529;1517362733;phf;mp_en_viaje: new biostock, but rarely invents anything new, mostly just copies something they read in a magazine they found in the attic 1778530;1517362734;mp_en_viaje;he may be right, but it was not that in argentina, those fuckfaces have 0 capital. 1778531;1517362753;mp_en_viaje;phf, how's this apply to the "ima photograph missile silo" set for instance ? 1778532;1517362764;mp_en_viaje;cuz they saw 1990s french algerian parkour mags ? 1778533;1517362832;phf;well, but ue has a long line of doings, likewise livejournal has a long line of doings. so happens that the two long lines connect at some historic point, because both on certain trajectories 1778534;1517362845;mp_en_viaje;(note the parallelism is VERY marked -- that was attempt of body-fetishized africans to retake a space that was very hostile. this -- muchly also) 1778535;1517362941;asciilifeform;tangentially, re '0 usg influence' -- did they ever kick out usg's herbicide-bomber fleet from colombia ? 1778536;1517362953;asciilifeform;or still flyin' 1778537;1517362962;phf;actually, yeah! it travels, sometimes directly sometimes indirectly. i mean, there's definitely a direct connection between 1990s parkour and early 00s missile silo photography 1778538;1517362968;mp_en_viaje;"african is only good for muscles/big dick" + "do not step on the grass" => parkour. "we tell you when you can have a drink" + "MILITARY SIKRITS" - this thinghow you call it 1778539;1517363000;mp_en_viaje;phf, but i have my doubts they ever saw the underground mags. for one hand, half of them hand made, for other in french 1778540;1517363013;mp_en_viaje;usians read french, so much so it alters their behaviour ? 1778541;1517363015;phf;yeah, but they saw the youtube of same 1778542;1517363031;mp_en_viaje;monkey see... quite possible 1778543;1517363075;phf;in 2009 or so, if you did ue at night, there was always a person who was body aware, who would've heard of parkour or was practicing it. shit, half of america was doing parkour in the 05? 15? i don't remember 1778544;1517363093;mp_en_viaje;somewhere in between 1778545;1517363159;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, recently they had some somer odf disarmament deal, saw person today aggitating for farc to be included as voting bloc in their electroal process... 1778546;1517363201;mp_en_viaje;ive nfi specifically. but on the strength of eyewitness reports, both cali and medellin are just about where they were 20 / 50 ya 1778547;1517363202;asciilifeform;sounds like a sad end, sorta like the irish thing 1778548;1517363207;asciilifeform;or hm. 1778549;1517363229;*;asciilifeform has deeply nfi, it may as well all be on alpha centauri, from his perch 1778550;1517363246;mp_en_viaje;ie, "there's this neighbourhood, they kidnap 2-3 tourists each they. but generally they reappear a day or two later, clothes all ragged up and all dizzy like" "sounds like a helluva party" 1778551;1517363261;mp_en_viaje;i can see who'd go for a kidnap as an activity. 1778552;1517363307;phf;kidnap experience, 5000eur basic package 1778553;1517363356;mp_en_viaje;can you say you know no one who'd go ? 1778554;1517363402;phf;that's where you're just groped by two brazilian lads. of course there's also the executive package, 20000eur, where you're forced to perform mildly degrading sexual acts in front of a masked audience 1778555;1517363445;mp_en_viaje;eh gtfo, nobody here has seen 5k in a pile like ever. what 20k. 1778556;1517363469;asciilifeform;waiwat? in cocainistan?! 1778557;1517363479;phf;well, they won't see it either, the whole adventure is organize by a swiss middle man, utmost discretion 1778558;1517363496;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, yes. what, this is surprising ? 1778559;1517363505;mp_en_viaje;nobody in usgistan saw the printingpress either. 1778560;1517363506;asciilifeform;bbbut briefcases of benjies!11 1778561;1517363516;mp_en_viaje;yaya. who's gonna show them what's inside. 1778562;1517363526;mp_en_viaje;phf, ya lol. 1778563;1517363536;asciilifeform;troo, i never saw what's in obummer's briefcase also. 1778564;1517363542;mp_en_viaje;so there you go. 1778565;1517363548;asciilifeform;right. 1778566;1517363588;asciilifeform;funnily enuff i ~did~ see the printing press. 1778567;1517363602;asciilifeform;( the literal one. at one time, long now gone, one could get -- by appointment -- a tour... ) 1778568;1517363624;mp_en_viaje;btw, in other lulz : the "executive suite" here has corner desk. in case i'm you know, so used to my vp corner office i would fill remiss without the L item. 1778569;1517363630;mp_en_viaje;aeron chair too. 1778570;1517363637;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: they had also in bucharest 1778571;1517363645;mp_en_viaje;aha. who the fuck even uses those things ? 1778572;1517363658;mp_en_viaje;i mean, the ottoman before the bed. yes. yes ofcourse. but this ? 1778573;1517363660;asciilifeform;i can't think of who or why 1778574;1517363726;asciilifeform;i suppose it is for sitting and shouting 'biznis!!' , per trinque's picture... 1778575;1517363731;phf;they are perhaps there for fucking 1778576;1517363734;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i meant the current item, the blessed ipad where yellen adds the zeroes 1778577;1517363736;mp_en_viaje;not museum pieces 1778578;1517363751;mp_en_viaje;phf, on an office table ? why, to chastise the poor girl ? 1778579;1517363775;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: well it wasn't a museum piece, was printing out a coupla mil in old-fashioned paperbenjies per minute. but i get the idea. 1778580;1517363776;phf;not enough clearance for the head, perhaps if only across 1778581;1517363826;mp_en_viaje;and in other lulz, sex toy's shop (nfi why the dildo store needs the possessive plural, but it is very common) had fustas (crops) 1778582;1517363835;mp_en_viaje;utterly terrible. i nearly bought one for its cargo cult quality 1778583;1517363850;mp_en_viaje;100% how the item would look if made by people who saw but never used crops. 1778584;1517364183;phf;you'd know it was the real deal if they were selling shillelaghs instead 1778585;1517364236;mp_en_viaje;lel 1778586;1517364302;mp_en_viaje;also, you know, very matriarchal structure, somehow. anecdote : bought some i dun recall what from respectable (and very competent, and eager to do well) middle aged woman in shop. as we left she called girl back, all worried like, 1778587;1517364333;mp_en_viaje;to warn her not to go with purse open like that, there's thieves! to which i retorted that theres nothing of value in there anyway, which completely blocked her. 1778588;1517364360;mp_en_viaje;how, just HOW!!!! could the purse not be the definitive holder of all value! 1778589;1517364393;mp_en_viaje;i fully expect that aspiring middle class adolescents do this as a courtship thing, dood asks girl he fancies to "hold on to his wallet" in her purse or something. 1778590;1517364473;mp_en_viaje;sorta like how girl might ask dood to hold on to her keys in gringolandia 1778591;1517364925;phf;a societal markov chain 1778592;1517365079;mp_en_viaje;best kind there is 1778593;1517365125;phf;i thought they were a macho culture though, seems like it would be "zapadlo" to make woman protect your possessions for you 1778594;1517365146;mp_en_viaje;other anecdote : different woman, ~same age, warned ~me~ to put my wad away, there's thieves. this one, you see, hadn't yet accepted her age. so she was being useful, "if you had one like me, your cash would be so protected. ask me to follow ?" 1778595;1517365153;phf;there's women so poor, purses contain everything of value they have in general 1778596;1517365162;mp_en_viaje;they're a false macho culture. like the us is a false technical culture. 1778597;1517365249;mp_en_viaje;aus krummem holze... 1778598;1517365271;phf;short of direct robbery i'm always mystified by this thieves thing. thank you, i utterly lack spatial awareness and if not for your warning i would've had this wad of cash yanked straight outta my hand! 1778599;1517365275;mp_en_viaje;religious fanatics going about yelling "our church of santa fe de mit is da premiere technologistical church IN DE WERLD" 1778600;1517365417;mp_en_viaje;phf, there is such a thing as a snatcher, and such a thing as a pickpocket. though... social behaviours serve social purposes. "it's dangerous!!!" for instance works very well for selection. anecdote : ro consul introduced pretty girl, intern at embassy. over sushi she confessed her unimpressment in local boys, "i was walking down candeleria and these dorks were lke o no, it's gotten dark, it's dangerous and soon enough made themselves scarce. wel... 1778601;1517365417;mp_en_viaje;." 1778602;1517365446;mp_en_viaje;"boy who believes mother will never get himself laid, because mother tells him things that'll help girl to know not to fuck him". society neh. 1778603;1517365471;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778594 << these 'well wishers' were pestilential in timis 1778604;1517365471;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 02:19 mp_en_viaje: other anecdote : different woman, ~same age, warned ~me~ to put my wad away, there's thieves. this one, you see, hadn't yet accepted her age. so she was being useful, "if you had one like me, your cash would be so protected. ask me to follow ?" 1778605;1517365500;mp_en_viaje;by now securitywank is the premier, if not only left, avenue of strangers talk. 1778606;1517365518;mp_en_viaje;notice that kid coming in here wants to talk to us about... yes ? security! 1778607;1517365553;mp_en_viaje;sorta like how soccer, or "politicians are thieves" worked in 90s post warsaw pact world. reliable agreement items. 1778608;1517365731;*;asciilifeform regaled with endless tales (3rdhand, naturally) of pickpockets by various folx, severely 'overengineered' his pockets, for travels, and felt quite foolish on occasion , 'ok before i pay, let me do this here stage magic with cloth', 'no it aint up me arse' etc ) 1778609;1517365760;mp_en_viaje;lmao 1778610;1517365819;mp_en_viaje;if you but always look at people looking at your eyes, seems improbable anyone's ever pickpocketing you. 1778611;1517365847;asciilifeform;bbut legendary pickpocket arts!1 1778612;1517365943;asciilifeform;though on asciilifeform's home world, pickpocketry was largely a thing practiced on public transport, where 'contact' was less noticed 1778613;1517365977;asciilifeform;i did not go in any standing-room public transport, with the exception of short train ride in bucharest 1778614;1517366064;mp_en_viaje;where do you keep your dough, affixed with chewing gum to the back of your shoe ? 1778615;1517366132;asciilifeform;last time sorta sewed in, lol 1778616;1517366138;mp_en_viaje;anyway, pickpocket is a sort of picking pennies in front of steamroller, which is why desperation art, rare when food's abundant. every success is pocket change, failure can be a severe beating or worse. 1778617;1517366151;mp_en_viaje;so the pickpocket is both very attentive and very easily discouraged. 1778618;1517366223;asciilifeform;hm, i pictured it was a serious thing, in orc world where proper cash is still in use errywhere 1778619;1517366240;mp_en_viaje;also why associated with ~inept~ whores. gals like http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/#selection-77.0-77.504 1778620;1517366270;asciilifeform;( in usa, pickpocket will die of frustration before even starvation, ~nobody uses actual paper money ) 1778621;1517366285;asciilifeform;or at least nobody who rides trains or buses 1778622;1517366288;mp_en_viaje;stolen cc prolly worth more than average orc pockets contents 1778623;1517366328;asciilifeform;cc is stolen 'cleanly', copied by shop clerks, waiters, no reason to go into pockets 1778624;1517366346;mp_en_viaje;well... "it is here". reason. 1778625;1517366353;asciilifeform;pocket will realize it's missing , quickly 1778626;1517366381;mp_en_viaje;not even. "maybe i misplaced it". people have lots. 1778627;1517366400;mp_en_viaje;i knew women with >dozen in active use 1778628;1517366406;asciilifeform;srsly?! 1778629;1517366415;asciilifeform;who, saudi princesses ? 1778630;1517366424;mp_en_viaje;it boggled my mind, but then it turned out common practice. 1778631;1517366438;phf;when i was a child i wanted to be able to catch a pickpocket, in the process, and then invite him to work for me (i'm not sure doing what, but you know build a team of highly skilled thieves or somesuch), kind of like how it was in the opener of Thief game. unfortunately by the time i actually had money to cary, it didn't seem like a particularly interesting idea 1778632;1517366446;*;asciilifeform never saw this, maybe it was in past era 1778633;1517366457;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, a no, lower middle class sorta gals beffudled at "omg lobster is so much more expensive than hamburger paste" "a dollar ?" "YES!" 1778634;1517366464;asciilifeform;phf: lol! 1778635;1517366510;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i think there was briefly an era of 'easy' creditcard, when given like candy, in bush 1st term. nao gone 1778636;1517366511;mp_en_viaje;phf, i spotted lots, mostly getting the butt pocket. nfi why people kept wallets in there in the 80s 1778637;1517366525;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, my memories of us are early 2ooos 1778638;1517366534;asciilifeform;they had these tables on uni campus, issuing cc to freshmen, etc in 2000s 1778639;1517366542;asciilifeform;aa! so then yes. 1778640;1517366641;mp_en_viaje;i expect the "observe whore, invite to work for me" is more like a phase in sexual life of adolescent. 1778641;1517366887;phf;heh 1778642;1517366930;mp_en_viaje;no ? 1778643;1517366968;phf;oh it totally makes sense 1778644;1517367019;phf;particularly when all these scenarios have a consistent "and she turned out to be a pretty girl" punch line 1778645;1517367040;mp_en_viaje;and cook well and love you in the seinfeld sense 1778646;1517367052;mp_en_viaje;(when i'm sick -- you'd better be there with the soup!) 1778647;1517367109;mp_en_viaje;anyway, nothing wrong with the basic instinct of manhood, it gave us domesticated dog and so on. 1778648;1517367296;phf;given the general going ons i wouldn't mind "basic instinct of manhood" as a kind of working baseline, to improve upon later 1778649;1517367323;mp_en_viaje;certainly. 1778650;1517367344;mp_en_viaje;heck, whole republic is nigh on predicated on it, "observe item almost work, invite it to genesis". 1778651;1517367386;mp_en_viaje;who knows, maybe gnat even turns out to have ai. 1778652;1517367445;asciilifeform;lol 1778653;1517367461;mp_en_viaje;it is just about as possible! 1778654;1517367594;asciilifeform;great thread, incidentally, on ave1's new www. 1778655;1517367660;mp_en_viaje;link ? 1778656;1517367681;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778218 1778657;1517367681;a111;Logged on 2018-01-30 16:45 asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/#comment-15 1778658;1517367728;asciilifeform;d00d is pretty good i dare say at askingquestions . 1778659;1517367748;mod6;evenin' 1778660;1517367755;asciilifeform;ohai mod6 1778661;1517367760;mod6;hai! 1778662;1517370122;*;asciilifeform spent some time today reading 'risc-v' ( see earlier thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739645 ) proponents' arguments against the carry flag. apparently they're not entirely retarded, flags indeed make pipelineism 10x moarcomplex 1778663;1517370122;a111;Logged on 2017-11-16 17:36 asciilifeform: the only way to detect overflow on risc-v is the algo i used in ffa. 1778664;1517370136;asciilifeform;but i see it as really argument against pipelines, not against flags... 1778665;1517370402;asciilifeform;also finally found what appears at least on surface to be a knockdown argument ~in favour of bigendianism~ : 1778666;1517370418;asciilifeform;it obstructs in the concealment of c casting bugolade 1778667;1517370465;asciilifeform;( on little-endian box, e.g. uint32_t with 'most of the time'-range below 255 will be 'safely' castable to char/uint8_t , and often is... ) 1778668;1517372294;asciilifeform;256 1778669;1517372320;asciilifeform;on bigendian -- such idiocy immediately lethal 1778670;1517373021;asciilifeform;it is not imho wholly coincidental that microshit, as early as '80s, proclaimed a fatwa against bigendianism and promised eternal support for littleendian cpu strictly. 1778671;1517373052;asciilifeform;( and to this day kept to it, e.g. NT existed for dec alpha, little endian, but never afaik ppc or sparc, big- ) 1778672;1517374738;mp_en_viaje;well that fucking sucked. 1778673;1517374969;mod6;bdsm club was a bust? 1778674;1517374976;mp_en_viaje;as far as anyone knows, the only bdsm thing in this 8 mn strong city is an item calling itself "club sweet perversions" and limiting self to a facebook page, because why the fuck not, right. if you call their number (319 2137590) some dorky woman tells you it's on caracas and 62nd. except when you actually get there and there's no such thing (just a buncha three story love hotels with overexcited porters trying to get you to park in!!!). then she tur 1778675;1517374976;mp_en_viaje;ns the phone off, because totally, that's the way to win. 1778676;1517375098;mp_en_viaje;bogota night life is like buenos aires night life, present in the form of a choir invisible only. 1778677;1517375114;mod6;ugh 1778678;1517375117;mp_en_viaje;you should see how fucking deserted the streets are. maaaybe five people per mile, of which four police. DANGEROUS 1778679;1517375128;mp_en_viaje;how the fuck can an empty street be dangerous ? what's it gonna do, fall on you ? 1778680;1517375174;mod6;i like your sense of adventure 1778681;1517375223;mp_en_viaje;i dunno man... 1778682;1517375325;mod6;bogota is supposed to be uber dangerous area, you figure, let's inspect this danger. only to find, no one is even there! 1778683;1517375339;mp_en_viaje;the 90s were a lot better for partying, i'll tell you that. it's not clear to me that out of the entire world as it stands you can produce enough night life for a middling 90s town. 1778684;1517375359;mp_en_viaje;imagine this, here i sit in bogota, columbia, like a man in a desert. 1778685;1517375381;mp_en_viaje;mod6, cuz they keep talking to each other, end up believing all sorts of shit. 1778686;1517375411;mod6;ya, rumor upon rumor. "i heard they ride motorcycles and shoot eachother" 1778687;1517375438;mod6;were there a lot of young kids on motorcycles with uzis? 1778688;1517375448;mp_en_viaje;it's larger than fucking ny. they'd bettuer fucking ride motorcycles and shoot each other SOMEWHERE 1778689;1517375463;mod6;haha. 1778690;1517375468;mp_en_viaje;mod6, nope. moreover, i think if they had an uzi they'd hock it and buy a helmet 1778691;1517375506;mp_en_viaje;o btw, recently they passed a law here (like, last fri) that it is no longer permissible for males over 14 to ride bitch 1778692;1517375514;mp_en_viaje;they needed a law to tell them this! 1778693;1517375524;mp_en_viaje;and the fucking bikers protested it! 1778694;1517375530;mod6;dafaq. 1778695;1517375532;*;asciilifeform recalls for some reason the schmeisser and stahlhelm in buenos aires junkshop 1778696;1517375571;mp_en_viaje;i have nfi. 1778697;1517375603;asciilifeform;what means 'ride bitch' ? sidecar ? 1778698;1517375609;mod6;no, on the back 1778699;1517375613;asciilifeform;aaa 1778700;1517375620;mod6;like if i was riding, and told you to put your arms around me. 1778701;1517375659;mod6;nothing looks funnier than two dudes on a bike, dick to ass. 1778702;1517375669;asciilifeform;lol! 1778703;1517375720;mp_en_viaje;you know ? 1778704;1517376152;mp_en_viaje;dudes locked up the hotel, too. probably because "dangerous", cuz that's gonna deter flamin' bike ridin' bitches shooting uzis : mariott's fucken glass doors. hurr. 1778705;1517376188;mp_en_viaje;but, get this -- these idiots DID make the elevator not work if you don't have your magical key card, so i had to comandeer a maid to get me to my floor. cuz that's fuckinguseful, needing your key for the elevator 1778706;1517376231;mp_en_viaje;HOWEVER they didn't have the fucking sense to make my key open the main gate. fucking banks can figure out this much for atm, but not these dorks. so i gotta wait there for a guard to show up and unlock it and wish me welcome, after the outside guard asks me n times what my room number is. 1778707;1517376254;mp_en_viaje;cuz that's how you fucking welcome guests proper five star like, by having them wait for your dumbass minimum wagers to open their door. 1778708;1517376282;asciilifeform;oh hey was it the randomly and spontaneously self-demagnetizing magickey, like in ro hotels ? 1778709;1517376294;mp_en_viaje;no i think these are chipped 1778710;1517376300;asciilifeform;hightech. 1778711;1517376304;mp_en_viaje;meaning they can be range extended and all the res tof the crapola 1778712;1517376312;mp_en_viaje;hightech in the sense of nightlife. 1778713;1517376348;asciilifeform;i have a handy little faraday sack for these 1778714;1517376358;asciilifeform;worx, tested. cost a buck. 1778715;1517376372;mp_en_viaje;who the fuck locks hotels anyway. AT ELEVEN. "we like to pretend world only exists while sun is up. at sunset great dragon swallows everything" 1778716;1517376489;mp_en_viaje;the cause of all the world's problems is strictly average intelligence dorks going about things "as per their best guess". 1778717;1517378557;mp_en_viaje;anyway, statistics : this month 149 people died violently. 9 on january 1st, over drunken arguments with family. 9 because https://thecitypaperbogota.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/bridge2.jpg on jan 15th. and so fucking following. 1778718;1517403254;BingoBoingo; he may be right, but it was not that in argentina, those fuckfaces have 0 capital. << And this is why they waited until Brasilero vacation season ended to take their vacations. 1778719;1517403512;BingoBoingo; if you but always look at people looking at your eyes, seems improbable anyone's ever pickpocketing you. << Aha. Scares theives and identifies potentially interesting chicas! 1778720;1517403750;BingoBoingo; the 90s were a lot better for partying, i'll tell you that. it's not clear to me that out of the entire world as it stands you can produce enough night life for a middling 90s town. << I believe. During the night walks there will be a lot of empty street and 1 bar where apparently the party is at, most locals crowded outside asking each other who has the weed hookup while the girlies grind in crowded basement dance trap. 1778721;1517403824;BingoBoingo;I suppose after the plugging in and the monthly statementing that I should write a tourism guide to Montevideo for alf et al 1778722;1517404002;ben_vulpes;sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility" 1778723;1517405383;BingoBoingo;But they still have their PARKOUR! 1778724;1517406325;ave1;re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778269, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778038 ie. mp-wp & comments on nfs (php 5.6) 1778725;1517406325;a111;Logged on 2018-01-30 23:12 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778033 << it has a tags allowed for comment. if you put b user can bold, if not no. you may not have a on the list. 1778726;1517406325;a111;Logged on 2018-01-29 17:14 asciilifeform: ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer 1778727;1517406425;ave1;you'll need to update the suffix for the form names in comments.php (in the theme) 1778728;1517406455;ave1;suffix wrong <-> no user name, no email etc 1778729;1517406519;ave1;and the tag filtering is two-leveled, one in the wp-comments-post.php 1778730;1517406526;ave1;which worked 1778731;1517406552;ave1;but another in wp-includes/kses.php 1778732;1517406555;ave1;which did not work 1778733;1517406596;ave1;look for the function definition of wp_kses_split 1778734;1517406615;ave1;the anonymous function($match) 1778735;1517406680;ave1;needs to be function($match) use($allowed_html, $allowed_protocols) 1778736;1517406718;ave1;or else allowed_html will be null and all tags are filtered away 1778737;1517406742;ave1;so, no setting, but a old wordpress / new php problem 1778738;1517406747;ave1;an* 1778739;1517407003;mp_en_viaje;in other "thanks goodness computer means programmable machine", i have here this hp elitebook. it has the backlight permanently welded to "retina cancer". the "function" key bs works for everything else EXCEPT setting the brightness, fn-f9 does 0. 1778740;1517407062;mp_en_viaje;xgamma does nothing. /sys/class/backlight doesn't exist. ye olde grub trick (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_backlight=vendor") does nothing. 1778741;1517407136;mp_en_viaje;dmesg has some acpi entries, BUT NO VIDEO ANYTHING. fucking lspic has nothing related to vga!!! at.all. 1778742;1517407157;mp_en_viaje;i am using a screen called "default" that manifestly does not exist in any way except to fucking burn my eyes off. 1778743;1517407217;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: afaik last portabox where errythingworx is ye olde x60 1778744;1517407237;mp_en_viaje;what can i tell you, it passed the mechanical test 1778745;1517407244;mp_en_viaje;(very nice chassis actually( 1778746;1517407266;ave1;would this work?: xrandr --output DP2 --gamma 0.5:0.5:0.5 1778747;1517407270;asciilifeform;( i posted even a patched, with own hand , bios for it, iirc phf uses ; and a kernel conf ) 1778748;1517407308;mp_en_viaje;ave1, --current says the screen's name is "default" 1778749;1517407338;mp_en_viaje;yields "xrandr: Gamma size is 0" 1778750;1517407381;mp_en_viaje;which makes sense, seeing how there's a bevy of bs in find /sys/ -type f -iname '*brightness*' all of which permantly welded to either 0 or 255 1778751;1517407428;ave1;hmm 1778752;1517407478;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: in some shittops, it was possible to adjust brightness ~during boot init~ with the fkeys 1778753;1517407483;asciilifeform;try it 1778754;1517407506;mp_en_viaje;worth a shot but i don't feel like rebooting my windows terminal yet again 1778755;1517407539;asciilifeform;then only cure is sunglasses, lol 1778756;1517407554;mp_en_viaje;(resetting the kbd driver to ps/2 also works on some magically, tried that, but this piece of shit worst bios you've ever seen HAS a useless point and click interface but no setting of kbd driver) 1778757;1517407588;mp_en_viaje;i think it literally may be the worst bios interface i have ever seen. ever. including 1990s almost-compatible days. 1778758;1517407635;asciilifeform;hp, recall, had a clitler, whole product line went to shit irrecoverably 1778759;1517407701;mp_en_viaje;C9K94UC#ABA (hp eliteboook 8470p) for the precision minded. i wouldn't recommend buying it, even though the chassis may seem fine. 1778760;1517407932;asciilifeform;seems to be mentioned in re 'video.use_native_backlight=1' kernel knob 1778761;1517407941;asciilifeform;might be also worth a shot 1778762;1517408077;mp_en_viaje;i'd have to recompile ? 1778763;1517408085;asciilifeform;nah, boot knob 1778764;1517408093;asciilifeform;in place of the 'vendor' thing 1778765;1517408124;asciilifeform;supposedly worx on the ones with intel vga 1778766;1517408129;mp_en_viaje;a grub ? well iguess lessee. 1778767;1517408243;mp_en_viaje;bbs 1778768;1517408579;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, that did nothing ; however the "fn f9 will work during boot only" part is correct -- they do. 1778769;1517408617;mp_en_viaje;i would say this is a glorious example of idiocy, imagine, the thing ~would work~ if just left the fuck alone. but smething in boot process fucks up my keys. 1778770;1517408743;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778722 << eh, major international my foot. city run by africans is run by africans is the whole story. 1778771;1517408743;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 13:06 ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility" 1778772;1517408757;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, the problem is that there is not that bar here. 1778773;1517408780;asciilifeform; mp_en_viaje: brightness knob on post-2007ish lappy is not properly hardwaristic, demands os support, and only happens to work during boot because still in realmode, and biosism works 1778774;1517408817;mp_en_viaje;wait, is the "protected" mode how you do the useful things such as you know, rowhammer et all ? 1778775;1517408822;mp_en_viaje;give me back my fuckingreal mode dos. 1778776;1517408828;asciilifeform;^^ 1778777;1517408850;mp_en_viaje;i do not want this laptop to even fucking have protected mode. protect what from what ? noty, 32bit realmode for the win. 1778778;1517408862;mp_en_viaje;who even signed off on the "we will cease maintaining realmode" doctor's note ? 1778779;1517408876;asciilifeform;uh realmode is the classical 16bit segmented one 1778780;1517408891;mp_en_viaje;has no intrinsic reason to be 16 bit. 1778781;1517408894;mp_en_viaje;make a 32 bit one. 1778782;1517408903;asciilifeform;cuz intel dropped as a child in 1978 1778783;1517408946;asciilifeform;you can do similar item in amd64 mode tho, 64bits but you map it all to contiguous addr space, like terry davis did. 1778784;1517408967;asciilifeform;( you do it once and then forget about the page table ) 1778785;1517408972;mp_en_viaje;how about never mind about that and just do a 32bit realmode version, at the hardware level. 1778786;1517408995;asciilifeform;the terminology is specific to intel crapola 1778787;1517409003;asciilifeform;it has no meaning outside of it 1778788;1517409016;mp_en_viaje;yes i know, but what'd you have me call the refusal of post 1989 "progress" ? 1778789;1517409035;asciilifeform;gotta be moar specific 1778790;1517409048;asciilifeform;which item to throw out. i'ma guess whole mpu. 1778791;1517409071;mp_en_viaje;ok. you know how computers worked back in the 80s and then some pre-unicode fuckfaces came up with "protected" mode, which was "better" and "upgrade" ? 1778792;1517409108;asciilifeform;orig item had 0 to do with seekoority, but rather with preventing 1 buggy proggy from taking down whole box 1778793;1517409138;asciilifeform;( in re 'memory protection' ) 1778794;1517409139;mp_en_viaje;oh these are distinct ? 1778795;1517409140;mp_en_viaje;spare me. 1778796;1517409160;mp_en_viaje;i do not want ANYTHING down the protected mode tree. i want the real mode tree continued. update it for wider busses. 1778797;1517409165;mp_en_viaje;that's it. 1778798;1517409185;mp_en_viaje;i don't want the fucking bs of hey mp we notice your brightness keys do not work would you like to restart the program. 1778799;1517409211;asciilifeform;oh those still won't work, in shitware bios 1778800;1517409223;mp_en_viaje;"Due to the enhancements added by protected mode, it has become widely adopted and has become the foundation for all subsequent enhancements to the x86 architecture" << FUCKING BULLSHIT. 1778801;1517409247;mp_en_viaje;see ? the original pantsuitism in computers started cca 1985 or so. when they killed the main branch, in order to pretend that the pantsuit branch "has all the features" 1778802;1517409261;asciilifeform;y'know , bios dun have to be written by tards 1778803;1517409269;mp_en_viaje;all the USEFUL features could have existed in real mode branch with a minimum of effort. but they CHOSE to not do this. 1778804;1517409294;mp_en_viaje;so no, protected mode hasn;'t become because it offered. the pantsuit decided it must be, and therefore prevented the non-mongoloid child from offering. 1778805;1517409381;mp_en_viaje;and you know, actual men tried to resist this idiocy. all through the 286 era ~nobody used unicodemode bs. 1778806;1517409385;asciilifeform;there isn't , on x86olade, a 'longer than 16b regs, no segmentation, but no mpu and bios calls work' mode. 1778807;1517409392;mp_en_viaje;then finally folded cca 85-86 1778808;1517409403;asciilifeform;for one thing, bios crapola typically written in classical 16b real. 1778809;1517409429;mp_en_viaje;there's absolutely no cause oher than historical accident that real ended at 16 bits. 1778810;1517409434;mp_en_viaje;it could just as well be 64 bit . 1778811;1517409486;asciilifeform;it's a 'grandmother with balls', could have sane cpu defined in 100pgs of a4, with no 'modes' at all, and no segments, and no idiocy, if intel had not succeeded in killing dec alpha, say 1778812;1517409510;asciilifeform;intel arch was a trisomy from day1 1778813;1517409516;asciilifeform;and not fixable. 1778814;1517409517;mp_en_viaje;fucking annoying. 1778815;1517409587;asciilifeform;intel was the king of retardation even in the 16b era. e.g. 68k was sane 1778816;1517409606;asciilifeform;no segments, and easily logically 'widened' if anyone had bothered. 1778817;1517409684;mp_en_viaje;this whole "o no mp, but the karnel must have a special place i ncpu" bs. IF IT DOES BAKE IT. 1778818;1517409695;mp_en_viaje;"levels" of software, hear me wail. 1778819;1517409728;asciilifeform;asciilifeform has a whole www about this, lol 1778820;1517409729;mp_en_viaje;"but mp, our users need to run random code they have no idea about all the time" "no they don't" 1778821;1517409765;mp_en_viaje;"and besides, correct programs can't even be written" "so then why should they be priviledged ?" "no, see, kernel can be correct because fly eyes fly like fruit." 1778822;1517409873;asciilifeform;dunforget 'oh but it improves allthetime!' lul 1778823;1517409902;mp_en_viaje;fucking disgraceful. 1778824;1517410084;mp_en_viaje;and at every single fucking twist and turn, too. instead of limiting "firmware" to data, to be executed by bios or gtfo, instead let's "virtual machines" and acpi. 1778825;1517410104;mp_en_viaje;why the everloving fuck would i imagine the solution is for the kernel to choose from a list maintained by the fucking power button 1778826;1517410131;mp_en_viaje;going exactly the wrong way, its like sweeping from the road into the house. 1778827;1517410154;asciilifeform;whole arch was retarded, and born damaged, just about errything you see on top of it, is the top of a series of forced mistakes. 1778828;1517410157;asciilifeform;crapola all the way down. 1778829;1517410214;mp_en_viaje;what's so forced about "no, you can't run code. if you want your hardware object '''configured''' or w/e the fuck, here's the bios api, pass data into it. if you can't, fix your printer" 1778830;1517410219;asciilifeform;the 'fancy' firmware, for instance, that 'does things'. entirely the opposite of the 1980s 'init the iron and get the FUCK out of the way' practice. 1778831;1517410227;asciilifeform;!#s acpi 1778832;1517410228;a111;26 results for "acpi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=acpi 1778833;1517410228;mp_en_viaje;doh. 1778834;1517410240;asciilifeform;^ know why acpi ? so that chip vendors can keep moarshit under nda etc. 1778835;1517410243;mp_en_viaje;and acpi is strictly "make sure nobody can EVER init the iron and get lost EVER, even if they try to" 1778836;1517410247;asciilifeform;aaha. 1778837;1517410266;asciilifeform;and of course 'standardized' by microshit. 1778838;1517410283;asciilifeform;whole arch as it exists today -- is a microshit production. 1778839;1517410301;mp_en_viaje;ie, "bad behaviour made mandatory" http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-109.0-109.416 1778840;1517410307;asciilifeform;exactly so. 1778841;1517410323;mp_en_viaje;"Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." << j. a. donald 1778842;1517410342;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, iirc toshiba also participated. 1778843;1517410351;asciilifeform;buncha bootlicks, participated. 1778844;1517410365;asciilifeform;( pretty much errybody who was in the pc iron business , and wanted to stay in it ) 1778845;1517410709;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778736 << o wow. 1778846;1517410709;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 13:51 ave1: or else allowed_html will be null and all tags are filtered away 1778847;1517410712;asciilifeform;selected gems : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-22#764319 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-26#1145947 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1374233 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560926 . 1778848;1517410712;a111;Logged on 2014-07-22 20:06 Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs. 1778849;1517410712;a111;Logged on 2015-05-26 23:42 mats: fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM. 1778850;1517410712;a111;Logged on 2016-01-17 06:23 phf: but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions." 1778851;1517410712;a111;Logged on 2016-10-31 19:14 asciilifeform: e.g., i still have not forgiven, and do not intend to forgive, the acpi 'soft' power supply switch. 1778852;1517410736;mp_en_viaje;nice work findingthat ave1 1778853;1517410864;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, tis a sad state of affairs. this item in my hands is, in a physical sense, quite fine. but then there's this intervening bullshit. literally like kid with autism/depression/anxiety/whatever the fuck. it would work fine if it just weren't born to ustards in ustardia. 1778854;1517410953;mp_en_viaje;ave1, would you consider gutting that entire class as a patch ? i have nfi why a "kses" bs is even needed. seems a case of giraffe's jugular. 1778855;1517410989;mp_en_viaje;instead config could populate allowed_html directly and be done with the pretense. 1778856;1517414289;asciilifeform;re acpi as instrument of microshitization, observe how ( e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/574439 ) it is being put in arm boxes, where 0 intel legacycrapola, and spearheaded by... redhat ( the designated microshit for 'linux' ) 1778857;1517414341;asciilifeform;'everything has already been decided in NDA-protected conference rooms' etc 1778858;1517414794;asciilifeform;or, for instance, take the rathead-microshit Official answer to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631805 problem : 'device trees' ( https://lwn.net/Articles/560523 and elsewhere. ) essentially same thing as the traditional microshit 'control panel' , but... biosized 1778859;1517414794;a111;Logged on 2017-03-23 16:31 asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver ! 1778860;1517414853;asciilifeform;and could even say 'if it worked, would be merely ugly' but of course just like other microshitisms it never fully works, and is eternal fountain of 'moar studies needed', 'buy the upgrade', 'your iron is obsolete' etc 1778861;1517414886;asciilifeform;if any part of the edifice ever shows any symptom of fully working, they re-fuck it. 1778862;1517414933;asciilifeform;( granted , this has not happened in a while. the last major bout was perhaps the boot process itself, which was foolproof on classical pc arch up to late '90s, and then they 'had to' introduce acpiism, 'secure boot', abolition of the mbr, etc ) 1778863;1517416429;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1778864;1517416438;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9929.64, vol: 19696.00023041 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10050.0, vol: 64826.00483041 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9900.0, vol: 12935.584376 | Volume-weighted last average: 10005.7659053 1778865;1517416966;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778747 << bios patched, but i haven't tried kernel conf, i'm running freebsd on it. 1778866;1517416966;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 14:01 asciilifeform: ( i posted even a patched, with own hand , bios for it, iirc phf uses ; and a kernel conf ) 1778867;1517416972;asciilifeform;aa neato 1778868;1517417020;phf;freebsd is hilariously nerfed. you can see the butcher cut the pantsuits leave right through the middle of everything 1778869;1517417023;*;asciilifeform not much interested in post-clangization freebsd; and currently dun have the time, energy to archaeologically unearth a working-on-recent-iron vintage 1778870;1517417041;asciilifeform;phf: did it ever get a working /dev/random back ? 1778871;1517417072;asciilifeform;and out of curiosity, what else got butchered ? 1778872;1517417119;phf;well, i like to take potshots at shitty systems as much as the next lord, but the publicized dev/random issue was there briefly and has officially been patched. i've not attempted to dive into dev/random though 1778873;1517417132;asciilifeform;was more symptom than disease 1778874;1517417140;phf;right 1778875;1517417167;asciilifeform;but phf did mention 'butcher cut', i'm curious what the obvious wtfs were 1778876;1517417252;phf;well, it's subtle things, here's an example. the kernel vty used to be syscons for years, replaced by "newcons", standard for a couple of releases now 1778877;1517417288;phf;newcons is "unicode support" "double-width" "bigger font maps". guess what's not there? ~literally everything else that syscons~ supported 1778878;1517417300;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha 1778879;1517417309;asciilifeform;lemme guess, is 'wayland' also on the conveyor. 1778880;1517417313;phf;https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons 1778881;1517417316;asciilifeform;and is there a systemd on freebsd yet 1778882;1517417332;phf;"encodings other than ascii/utf-8" "no" 1778883;1517417358;asciilifeform;lol not even vga term support anymoar 1778884;1517417370;phf;etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements. 1778885;1517417461;asciilifeform;'Pre-loading i915kms.ko/radeonkms.ko disables video output from the point of time these video drivers are attached until interrupt threads are enabled way later. This makes kernel panics during boot undebugable.' << ahahahahaha 1778886;1517417461;phf;all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~ 1778887;1517417497;asciilifeform;can get back the old terms ? or not ? 1778888;1517417533;phf;yeah, can get for now, but X doesn't magically start, so i need to figure out what's going on there. probably requires hand written xorg.conf 1778889;1517417554;asciilifeform;i dun think i've ever sat on a working box with anything other than hand-sewn xorg.conf 1778890;1517417589;phf;i don't really want to waste much time tweaking the confs, so most things don't really work for now. i have audio and wifi, but suspend dosn't work, nor does the nifty touch screen, etc. 1778891;1517417602;asciilifeform;waitasec , touch screen ? 1778892;1517417620;phf;err, wacom 1778893;1517417632;asciilifeform;i had nfi there was a x60 with wacom 1778894;1517417639;asciilifeform;x61 ( the kind i gave to g_l ) -- yes, had it 1778895;1517417649;asciilifeform;but it also was entirely diff chipset, and wouldn't possibly eat my bios 1778896;1517417668;asciilifeform;what box is this, exactly, phf ? 1778897;1517417691;phf;x60, says so on the label 1778898;1517417703;asciilifeform;but the screen folds back, and it has pen ? 1778899;1517417710;phf;yes 1778900;1517417717;asciilifeform;interesting. 1778901;1517417738;doppler;there were tablet versions of both the x60 and x61 1778902;1517417780;asciilifeform;hm, 'x60t' apparently. 1778903;1517417784;*;asciilifeform had nfi. 1778904;1517417790;doppler;that's the nickname, yeah 1778905;1517417844;*;asciilifeform has the ordinary, 2-hinged x60. 1778906;1517417885;phf;half the packaged in ports say that "there might be bugs since package is lacking maintainer", and we're talking shit like firefox, fvwm, etc. 1778907;1517417932;phf;likewise a lot of them pull gcc for build, lots of complaints about "llvm broke N" when you search for anything 1778908;1517417939;asciilifeform;sounds like sad ghost town 1778909;1517417992;mod6;The Foundation has emplaced shinohai's seal for trb's 'genesis.vpatch' in the foundation repository @ http://thebitcoin.foundation. Thanks shinohai! 1778910;1517418005;asciilifeform;oh hey mod6 1778911;1517418023;shinohai;o7 mod6 ty 1778912;1517418029;asciilifeform;phf: thus far sounds about as much fun as a winblowz vista box 1778913;1517418032;mod6;yw shinohai 1778914;1517418037;mod6;hai phf, asciilifeform 1778915;1517418038;mod6;how goes? 1778916;1517418081;asciilifeform;phf: err, strike that, suspend mode worked on vista!11 1778917;1517418156;phf;eh, i haven't found anything that worked better or worse. everywhere i have to carve a haven, but put it on top of quicksand 1778918;1517418181;asciilifeform;fwiw my gentoo recipe was written when i was preparing x60 1778919;1517418205;asciilifeform;it runs ( the only www browsers are lynx and an elderly ff , however ) 1778920;1517418218;asciilifeform;but e.g. emacs, gnat, irc, etc run 1778921;1517418238;phf;sure, but the amount of time you spent on gentoo recipe/kernel config, replicated on freebsd would possibly produce similar results. emacs, gnat, irc, etc runs. 1778922;1517418238;asciilifeform;suspendmode worx 1778923;1517418251;asciilifeform;xconfig took 5min 1778924;1517418260;asciilifeform;mouse worx, audio even worx.. 1778925;1517418290;asciilifeform;the 1 item that left a bitter taste was the battery, they're dead after about 6mo from unpacking. but gentoo is not to blame for this 1778926;1517418315;asciilifeform;( and at this point i think i've tried every battery vendor known to make these ) 1778927;1517418367;asciilifeform;the box ate ssd without complaint, even. 1778928;1517418387;asciilifeform;the 1 truly frustrating item is the lcd crystal, is atrocious 1990s-style tft. but what can be done. 1778929;1517418453;phf;gentoo have left a bad taste in my mouth long time ago. i was running it for about a year since first release, and i was even really into python back then! 1778930;1517418514;asciilifeform;i was able to , e.g., emerge emacs and not suddenly see dbus appear. there isn't much moar that i even want from gentoo/portage. 1778931;1517418562;asciilifeform;( notably this proved impossible , without complete manual control over ~everything~, under openbsd. as per old thread. ) 1778932;1517418659;asciilifeform;fwiw all of asciilifeform's current workhorse boxen are one or another variant of heavily-medicated gentoo, rather than anyffingelse 1778933;1517418681;asciilifeform;it is still afaik the healthiest horse in the glue factory. 1778934;1517418788;asciilifeform;even dulap-III, heavy opteron box sitting on my desk and awaiting shipment to BingoBoingoistan, is a gentoo box. 1778935;1517418811;phf;yes, that would be the meaning of "all of" 1778936;1517418823;asciilifeform;( and took maybe a week to produce, starting from empty disks ) 1778937;1517418844;mp_en_viaje;motherfucker 1778938;1517418850;mp_en_viaje;i fucking hate this town 1778939;1517418857;mp_en_viaje;utter fucking shithole omfg 1778940;1517418870;asciilifeform;lemme guess, finally met motorcyclists, and their uzis were plastic toys ? 1778941;1517418922;mod6;:D 1778942;1517419062;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778884 << because the people doing it prolly puked and left. 1778943;1517419062;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 16:49 phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements. 1778944;1517419106;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, 100% all the inept argentinian idiocies. "oh, you can't have that item from menu, it's not its hours yet" "bitch, say what ?" "we only sell things when WE feel like selling them, fu. welcome to bogota" 1778945;1517419138;mp_en_viaje;100% serviceless economy, consisting of a bunch of dorks trying to look like the pictures in the decade old magazines from europe they got. 1778946;1517419144;asciilifeform;'ooh you thought this was a restaurant, not a sov factory cafeteria? funny' 1778947;1517419155;mp_en_viaje;argentina does old italian mags and these idiots old spanish mags, but that's all the difference, 1778948;1517419170;mp_en_viaje;they're not DOING anything ; just trying to LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, with a minimum of expenditure. 1778949;1517419212;mp_en_viaje;"got waffle and crepes joint ? " o ya, just like in madrid!" "but is it not open before noon ?" "of course not! just like in..." "...retardistan ? who the fuck eats crepes at any other time!" 1778950;1517419227;asciilifeform;hey, capitalism!11, 'if you can convince eaters to eat sawdust, you MUST', etc 1778951;1517419242;mp_en_viaje;eat my foot. an hour going about in the cab is $5 1778952;1517419267;mp_en_viaje;but n ocab with ac. in fact, no cab with passenger armrest. buncha entry level hyyndai hatchbacks 1778953;1517419270;mp_en_viaje;anyways 1778954;1517419279;asciilifeform;why wouldja want to sit in a cab for hour?! to go to brazil?? 1778955;1517419313;asciilifeform;incidentally in what country are there cabs with back seat passenger arm rest ? 1778956;1517419320;asciilifeform;( limos, possibly ? but cabs?! ) 1778957;1517419599;mp_en_viaje;everywhere else wtf. 1778958;1517419617;mp_en_viaje;i didn;t even know they still made cars without, why the everloving would you 1778959;1517419662;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, bogota is like, larger than delaware, you understand. 1778960;1517419674;asciilifeform;or hm didja mean the thing attached to the inside of door 1778961;1517419697;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: right, ~same as nyc 1778962;1517419711;mp_en_viaje;yes i meant. 1778963;1517419715;asciilifeform;aa. 1778964;1517419728;asciilifeform;dunno that i've ever even been in a car without those, then 1778965;1517419736;mp_en_viaje;so you don't sit there like miss xue yue in the chicken coop. 1778966;1517419754;asciilifeform;what was that 1778967;1517419795;mp_en_viaje;you know, sometimes they take the milkmaid for a ride in the back of the little milk truck on three wheeks 1778968;1517419798;mp_en_viaje;wheels* 1778969;1517419807;mp_en_viaje;anyway, it's actually 2x ny area. 1778970;1517419865;mp_en_viaje;1600 sqkm or some shit. 1778971;1517419865;trinque;a lot of them have the middle one too, folds out of back seat 1778972;1517419882;mp_en_viaje;right. 1778973;1517419975;asciilifeform;incidentally is this one of those classical turdworld paradises with donkeys in the streets, cabs made from old nazi motorcycle, etc ? 1778974;1517419977;asciilifeform;or only proper autos 1778975;1517419994;mp_en_viaje;nope. 100% imports. let me reiterate : they do not DO anything. 1778976;1517419996;mp_en_viaje;anything at all. 1778977;1517420008;mp_en_viaje;all day long 100% all effort spent trying to ~look a certain way~. 1778978;1517420014;asciilifeform;loox like another chinese victory then. like buenosaires. 1778979;1517420026;mp_en_viaje;i dunno what the chinese are to blame for. 1778980;1517420036;asciilifeform;same thing as the enablers of BingoBoingo's 'fupas' 1778981;1517420040;mp_en_viaje;this is the result of decolonialization. left cape town in the hands of subhuman locals, no more water 1778982;1517420049;mp_en_viaje;left bogota in hands of inferior native stock, it shows. 1778983;1517420088;asciilifeform;did the thing ever have a civilized colonial past ? or was always shithole ? 1778984;1517420091;mp_en_viaje;"forced mistake, mp, spanish women starting spawning betwetters named arthur blair, wha tcan you do" "mmkay" 1778985;1517420104;mp_en_viaje;had great past. was as cool as cuba. 1778986;1517420109;*;asciilifeform had nfi 1778987;1517420113;mp_en_viaje;yup. 1778988;1517420184;asciilifeform;sorta why i wonder re places like astana. where colonial past is not so long gone, corpse still warm 1778989;1517420267;mp_en_viaje;if they're not being actively oppressed, and i mean with pillories and whole village rapes, the temperature of the corpse dun matter. 1778990;1517420283;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778886 << this sounds so exactly in uniform... 1778991;1517420283;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 16:51 phf: all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~ 1778992;1517428567;phf;https://pineapplefund.org/ << "The organization was started in December by an anonymous donor who goes by the nickname Pine and claims to be among the 250 largest holders of Bitcoin in the world. The fund aims to give away $86 million worth of Bitcoin, and has already given $20 million worth of the currency to 13 organizations, including... 1778993;1517428604;asciilifeform;lol waterfall dun even bother with seekricy anymoar 1778994;1517428704;asciilifeform;http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html << aaaaand openbsd ~immediately~ listed 'pineapple fund'. and guess who not listed at all, to this day. 1778995;1517428741;phf;terrorists? 1778996;1517428745;asciilifeform;aaha. 1778997;1517428789;trinque;"because once you have enough money, money doesn't matter" 1778998;1517428825;trinque;the final stage of all human development is saintly socialism, srsly 1778999;1517428851;phf;well, it's 2017 equivalent of "buying pizza" 1779000;1517428872;asciilifeform;industrial-grade waterfall and usg catemite meritwash in 1 package, who could want moar. 1779001;1517428882;asciilifeform;*catamite 1779002;1517428999;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all 1779003;1517429005;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9954.42, vol: 14739.97500003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10039.0, vol: 48526.51074645 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9929.0, vol: 10312.36985 | Volume-weighted last average: 10006.6392389 1779004;1517429489;mod6;!~tslnb 1779005;1517429489;jhvh1;mod6: Error: "tslnb" is not a valid command. 1779006;1517429493;mod6;!~tslb 1779007;1517429496;jhvh1;mod6: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 3 seconds 1779008;1517429526;*;trinque got a txn out last night with 0.00038 fee 1779009;1517429578;trinque;seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around 1779010;1517429623;mod6;perhaps, ya. 1779011;1517429659;mod6;my node has been caught up for >24 hours. 1779012;1517429680;mod6;loooking good 1779013;1517431059;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778994 << hey, at least we know how we're standing. 1779014;1517431059;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 19:58 asciilifeform: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html << aaaaand openbsd ~immediately~ listed 'pineapple fund'. and guess who not listed at all, to this day. 1779015;1517431146;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1779009 <<< and guess what "srs business" with "expertise" and whatnot forgot to send kakobrekla and the rest to thank me for saving their dumbass despite themselves. 1779016;1517431146;a111;Logged on 2018-01-31 20:12 trinque: seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around 1779017;1517431149;mp_en_viaje;and so following. 1779018;1517431211;trinque;the ass-kissing line would be too long by now; ain't nobody got time for that 1779019;1517431215;mp_en_viaje;the problem with imbeciles is exactly the problem of bogota, buenos aires, whatever : they don't actually want to do any specific thing. they just want to look a certain way. 1779020;1517431251;mp_en_viaje;so all these discussions of causes and how things work and etc, it's so much mathwank. bimbo got her antenna tuned to different gucciquencies. 1779021;1517431284;mp_en_viaje;which are like frequencies except better, because frequencies priviledge the speed of light rather than other speeds much more important to us. like the speed of gucci. 1779022;1517431285;asciilifeform;imho there is elementarily not enuff bleeding happening. 1779023;1517431325;mp_en_viaje;i am satisfied that we're not discussing intellects capable of realising when they're being bled. 1779024;1517431332;asciilifeform;all kindsa nonsense that oughta have been painfully lethal -- still unpunished. 1779025;1517431354;mp_en_viaje;but anyway, bbl. 1779026;1517431371;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-20#1348086 << see also. 1779027;1517431371;a111;Logged on 2015-12-20 00:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348050 << you know what's great? rat poison STILL WORKS even if you don't explain to the rats exactly ~how~ ! 1779028;1517431380;*;asciilifeform also bbl, teatime. 1779029;1517434041;asciilifeform;in other lamers, https://archive.is/g7CB5 >> 'Lenovo Fingerprint Manager Pro, which is typically installed on ThinkPad, ThinkCentre, and ThinkStation models...' has hardcoded pw. etc 1779030;1517434287;mod6;lol 1779031;1517437510;ben_vulpes;lol aw, wish i'd seen that 1779032;1517439840;asciilifeform;bother_bvulpes (2df897f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.248.151.247) has joined #trilema << lolwat 1779033;1517439856;ben_vulpes;link from the tranny pieces 1779034;1517439884;asciilifeform;waiwat 1779035;1517439919;asciilifeform;where was this 1779036;1517440001;ben_vulpes;or hm i guess the nick i picked was bv_is_a_scammer 1779037;1517440009;ben_vulpes;https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/#irc://irc.freenode.net/#trilema?&nick=bv_is_a_scammer 1779038;1517440031;ben_vulpes;mysterious mysteries! 1779039;1517440513;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: still enjoying attention from your 'new friend' ? 1779040;1517440557;ben_vulpes;not enjoying in the slightest no, thank you for asking 1779041;1517440577;ben_vulpes;mildly amused, but that's about the extent of it. 1779042;1517441831;ben_vulpes;aha but now with the further attempts to get into various fiatistan saas providers 1779043;1517441865;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: sounds like fodder for hilarious bl0gps0t neh 1779044;1517441869;asciilifeform;write it ? 1779045;1517441911;ben_vulpes;yeah maybe, but the lols are accruing so very slowly