1744938;1512093485;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in world of wikitards, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927&cpage=1#comment-18369 1744939;1512098181;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1744940;1512098186;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9768.26, vol: 24838.62685390 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9677.2, vol: 122749.34195273 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9871.0, vol: 6717.04767699 | Volume-weighted last average: 9700.29431853 1744941;1512101551;asciilifeform;in other lulz, ch.1 of ffa article series just about done. 1744942;1512101556;asciilifeform;expect it tomorrow. 1744943;1512101566;asciilifeform;( + vgenesis ) 1744944;1512102526;mod6;cool! 1744945;1512102863;BingoBoingo;TBI statement baking 1744946;1512102895;BingoBoingo;Reading S.MG statements and S.NSA statements to see how the problem of spending has been handled in past republican ventures 1744947;1512102921;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation's STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000278.html 1744948;1512141886;mod6;mornin' 1744949;1512141891;asciilifeform;heya mod6 1744950;1512141922;mod6;o7 1744951;1512145471;BingoBoingo;07 1744952;1512148767;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ << Trilema - When did America end ? 1744953;1512150310;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform awww lol y teh haet! dude's trying. 1744954;1512150389;*;mircea_popescu was even gonna reply to his reply, then noticed the google thing and recalled why he hasn't been commenting, something /me was vaguely wondering about 1744955;1512150848;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, i just managed to link TWO DOZEN trilema articles from this latest one. i think that takes the cake. 1744956;1512151028;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 1: Genesis. 1744957;1512151526;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu ! 1744958;1512151536;mats;ugh, at a conf where a fed is pimping ‘trusona’, some biometric nonsense, and telling folks to shitcan passwords 1744959;1512151544;mats;no mention of rsa 1744960;1512151549;mats;not sexy 1744961;1512151670;asciilifeform;mats: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-19#883672 and elsewhere. 1744962;1512151670;a111;Logged on 2014-10-19 18:39 asciilifeform: my hypothesis re: biometrics is, imho, the only one proposed so far that has explanatory power for the fact that idiotically lame, e.g., fingerprint readers, nevertheless are happily deployed en masse by usg 1744963;1512151680;mircea_popescu;hola 1744964;1512151697;mircea_popescu;mats hey, usg's been trying to shitcan the whole it security thing since day one. 1744965;1512151733;mats;admitting to the worthlessness of fingerprints would result in twenty year judicial backlog of reviews 1744966;1512151740;asciilifeform;100+ yrs. 1744967;1512151766;asciilifeform;and 1e8 accused folx who are no longer half as intimidated into confession. 1744968;1512151771;asciilifeform;Would Be Wrong (tm)(r) 1744969;1512151772;mircea_popescu;there is no manner available currently of runing physical-space law&order without the fingerprint construct. 1744970;1512151869;asciilifeform;mod6, diana_coman , trinque , ben_vulpes , et al : lemme know if you were able to follow the ffa tutorial ch1. 1744971;1512151881;asciilifeform;and got the expected result. 1744972;1512151882;*;diana_coman goes to read 1744973;1512151883;mircea_popescu;moreover, if you took a year's worth of court practice of your choice, listed all the inferences made in a sort of mega-AST and then sorted this list by tenuousness measured how you will, the fingerprint construct wouldn't make any sort of top. 1744974;1512151924;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only because 'religious precept' and nobody even entertains the idea of a serious attack. 1744975;1512151935;mircea_popescu;all society works like this. 1744976;1512151938;asciilifeform;noshit. 1744977;1512151945;mircea_popescu;cannibalism, also "only because... and nobody entertains..." 1744978;1512151957;asciilifeform;'waddayamean no witches' 1744979;1512151967;mircea_popescu;marrying dudes, fucking children, whatever matter of conventional behaviour is a convention. 1744980;1512153210;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1744952 << mega-piece btw 1744981;1512153210;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 17:19 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ << Trilema - When did America end ? 1744982;1512153235;*;asciilifeform takes off hat. 1744983;1512153313;mircea_popescu;dja like ? 1744984;1512153362;asciilifeform;'I do believe it's better this way. She was bitterly sad every day of the last years' reminds asciilifeform of his (younger) grandfather, who narrowly missed the '90s 1744985;1512153420;mircea_popescu;kinda not so enamoured with the shoemeister ? 1744986;1512153438;mircea_popescu;(i find it amusing how all the later day soviet saints have some shoe reference readily accessible to be retrieved by) 1744987;1512153441;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6, diana_coman , trinque , ben_vulpes , et al : lemme know if you were able to follow the ffa tutorial ch1. <+asciilifeform> and got the expected result. << will take a look for sure. 1744988;1512153474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which shoemeister 1744989;1512153487;mircea_popescu;you recall, guy was at the un, took shoe off banged table. 1744990;1512153494;asciilifeform;that'd be hrusch 1744991;1512153516;asciilifeform;not the least bit '90s 1744992;1512153516;mircea_popescu;well yes. i took narrowly missing the 90s to mean he lived last days during khruschev's tenure 1744993;1512153529;asciilifeform;mno, died '91. 1744994;1512153532;mircea_popescu;a 1744995;1512153561;asciilifeform;hrusch 'retired' in '64 1744996;1512153582;mircea_popescu;o shit, you're right. 1744997;1512153589;asciilifeform;but no, not fan of 'the marked man' 1744998;1512153591;mircea_popescu;i had this brejnev-khruschev thing in my head. 1744999;1512153624;asciilifeform;( gorby often 'меченый' in folk parlance , from the birthmark ) 1745000;1512154925;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf can haz ffa-genesis and subsequent patches inserted into your spiffy patch viewer btcbase.org/patches ?? 1745001;1512154926;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1745002;1512155243;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/tqtkm/ << Trilema - TQTKM 1745003;1512156535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vvwce/?raw=true 1745004;1512157163;phf;asciilifeform: si, also i'll look for the ada source, pretty sure i have it 1745005;1512157170;asciilifeform;phf: new one 1745006;1512157184;asciilifeform;phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1744956 1745007;1512157184;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 17:57 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 1: Genesis. 1745008;1512157203;*;phf nods 1745009;1512157215;asciilifeform;phf: i 'pedagogized' it, will be a series of vpatches. 1745010;1512157229;phf;i've been following the log 1745011;1512157233;asciilifeform;aite 1745012;1512157276;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 1745013;1512157295;phf;though a bit of shame that annotation narrative is lost in vpatch 1745014;1512157371;phf;i also saw your romanian dictionary vpatch, but i'm keeping it out for now, because at 2mb or whatever it is, it's putting some stress on gc 1745015;1512159447;mircea_popescu;oh, is size a consideration in that sense ? 1745016;1512159963;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1745017;1512159970;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10597.63, vol: 17290.56679003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10592.0, vol: 87963.98571419 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10660.0, vol: 4760.24698717 | Volume-weighted last average: 10595.8271459 1745018;1512160068;diana_coman;aaand gprbuild 2011-4 apparently is strictly married with gnat4.6; gah 1745019;1512160322;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bSyas/?raw=true 1745020;1512160423;mircea_popescu;!!pay hanbot 5 1745021;1512160428;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/W6zcF/?raw=true 1745022;1512160504;mircea_popescu;!~later tell hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gNYJr/?raw=true 1745023;1512160504;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1745024;1512160510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it!! 1745025;1512160545;asciilifeform;will answer last numeric q in gpggram in a bit , hands full atm 1745026;1512160653;phf;mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be really, i just need to tune it 1745027;1512160662;mircea_popescu;!!pay asciilifeform 0.26916256 1745028;1512160666;mircea_popescu;phf aok 1745029;1512160671;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XQWRj/?raw=true 1745030;1512160701;phf;but it does do a lot of tedious manipulation of lists of lines, so at >n lines it starts generating a lot of garbage 1745031;1512160708;trinque;mircea_popescu: looks like I have some deposits to credit. one sec. your hanbot one did not go through. 1745032;1512160710;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: prepping for travel, will probably review on the plane 1745033;1512160718;mircea_popescu;o.O 1745034;1512160809;phf;asciilifeform: i added your ffa, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa 1745035;1512160851;phf;colorizer is missing ada support, so i'm slowly hacking in the highlighter http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/ffademo/ffa_io.adb comments and strings so far. i'm going to add keywords now and then leave it be 1745036;1512160918;mircea_popescu;trinque while at it, can there be an acct history to check on this side ? or what's iyo the ideal approach here 1745037;1512160933;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pantsuit << phf's spiffy histogram rendering the birth of a notion. 1745038;1512160939;trinque;that's coming, full transaction history 1745039;1512160949;mircea_popescu;cool. 1745040;1512160960;phf;nice 1745041;1512160979;asciilifeform;phf: colour is a luxury . for so long as it knows that comments begin with -- 1745042;1512160983;asciilifeform;then a-ok 1745043;1512160994;phf;yeah, it does at this point 1745044;1512161038;phf;i've had color disabled in my editors for years now, though some color like comments and string sequences is somewhat handy 1745045;1512161066;mircea_popescu;!!balance 1745046;1512161069;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8ZDg9/?raw=true 1745047;1512161186;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pJhlc/?raw=true 1745048;1512161442;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis << neato phf !! 1745049;1512161453;asciilifeform;in the next chapter i will link to this. 1745050;1512161471;mircea_popescu;trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hNK0H/?raw=true 1745051;1512161552;mircea_popescu;in other news, this footlong plastic calzador i vbought at flexi (local shoe store) is one hell of a buttpaddle. 1745052;1512161573;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_arith.adb << coad loox perfectly ok, phf 1745053;1512161611;mircea_popescu;https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/UTB8_GvwX_zIXKJkSafVq6yWgXXaL/BSAID-1-Unids-Calidad-Extra-Largo-Calzador-18-5-pulgadas-font-b-Flexible-b-font-Easy.jpg << item. 1745054;1512161636;mircea_popescu;phf is it double-wide intentionally ? 1745055;1512161695;phf;mircea_popescu: nope, it's a styling bug, which needs to be fixed, but i've been having hard time with it last time i tackled it (but i don't remember what was the issue, something related to tables and 
s)
1745056;1512161714;asciilifeform;waitasec wat's doublewide
1745057;1512161716;mircea_popescu;ah k
1745058;1512161737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform annotation style printouts (every line is followed by an empty line)
1745059;1512161757;asciilifeform;hm not seeing this here
1745060;1512161761;phf;asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/doublewide.png
1745061;1512161778;mircea_popescu;basically fits half as much on your screen, but leaves plenty of room for writing in things on paper.
1745062;1512161782;asciilifeform;yea just a few sec ago finally saw, it shows up on lynx
1745063;1512161792;mircea_popescu;it does.
1745064;1512162019;asciilifeform;oh hey phf , colours!!
1745065;1512162021;phf;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_arith.adb ok i've thrown in reserved words
1745066;1512162026;asciilifeform;pretty great.
1745067;1512162031;mircea_popescu;lol he was live-reloading it
1745068;1512162039;*;asciilifeform loaded a pg and saw NIL NIL NIL and scratched head
1745069;1512162043;phf;:>
1745070;1512162080;phf;i can do other useful features, like
1745071;1512162085;mircea_popescu;alf's browser (emacs) includes live-browsing extension, sends 4k px wide 100fps film of the page to his tape ticker.
1745072;1512162090;mircea_popescu;alf reviews nightly.
1745073;1512162101;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_arith.adb
1745074;1512162133;mircea_popescu;cocks useful routine.
1745075;1512162144;phf;makes code more readable
1745076;1512162148;mod6;where are the balls?
1745077;1512162150;mircea_popescu;i guess there should be a product COKCS
1745078;1512162177;asciilifeform;lol
1745079;1512162188;asciilifeform;COCKS : COCKS(COCKS .. COCKS) := (COCKS#COCKS#, COCKS COCKS COCKS); << win
1745080;1512162200;mircea_popescu;reminds me of that tarantino monologue
1745081;1512162207;mircea_popescu;where he explains what madona means by "like a virgin"
1745082;1512162217;mod6;dick dick dick dick dick dick
1745083;1512162220;phf;mod6: i've added the feature you requested
1745084;1512162248;mircea_popescu;this is much improved now.
1745085;1512162256;asciilifeform;BALLS COCKS COCKS COCKS .. COCKS(COCKS'BALLS - BALLS) BALLS << ahahahahha
1745086;1512162264;mircea_popescu;finite fucking arithmia.
1745087;1512162275;mod6;phf: lol
1745088;1512162329;asciilifeform;finitely fattening fisarmonica.
1745089;1512162365;mircea_popescu;i have this impression i was doing something but i can't remember what it was now.
1745090;1512162453;mircea_popescu;o right i was reading alf's article.
1745091;1512162458;phf;for future log readers http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_arith.adb?cocks=true (only works in ada though, because)
1745092;1512162459;mircea_popescu;cock amnesia.
1745093;1512162469;asciilifeform;phf: spiffy
1745094;1512162476;mircea_popescu;phf future log readers can just search archive!
1745095;1512162566;shinohai;I feel happy to be a part of such a grand institution that goes out of the way to be so all-inclusive in the logs.
1745096;1512162718;phf;well, it's also only proper for a long running lisp system to have a *cocks-and-balls* global variable somewhere that subtly affects the behavior
1745097;1512162727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform reading this backbreaker of an article i must say i r impresst. exactly what ffa needed, too.
1745098;1512162740;mircea_popescu;phf there is that.
1745099;1512162749;mircea_popescu;"fits in head".
1745100;1512162777;shinohai;head of cock precisely
1745101;1512162830;mircea_popescu;shinohai wanna put his thing in r/code or w/e it is, r/crypto, r/weRgrownupsnao ?
1745102;1512162840;mircea_popescu;i don't think the previous runaround was enough punishment for his sins.
1745103;1512162881;mircea_popescu;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913 i mean
1745104;1512162891;mircea_popescu;hey asciilifeform ! mp-wp has nice names for urls!
1745105;1512163051;mod6;ben_vulpes: you may want to update the link to my V in this blog post (http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system) as it's old.  This is the latest: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-March/000260.html
1745106;1512163260;mod6;asciilifeform: you may want to update the link to my V in this blog post (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545) as it's old.  This is the latest (from the foundation site): http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz (and corresponding sig file): http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz.mod6.sig
1745107;1512163303;mod6;If you to gentlemen would rather not update your blogs, please let me know and I'll post a comment at the bottom of each.
1745108;1512163311;mod6;s/to/two
1745109;1512163448;mod6;lol, asciilifeform ignore that.  i already put a comment on your blog.
1745110;1512163498;ben_vulpes;go ahead and leave a comment, mod6
1745111;1512163518;mod6;yup, will leave the same comment on yours, Sir.  Thanks.
1745112;1512163564;mircea_popescu;you know it's not a great idea to leave live links to dead urls.
1745113;1512163589;*;mircea_popescu recently went through his comment section, nulled out dead links. (you'd be surprised what survival rate of commenters pages is like)
1745114;1512163633;mircea_popescu;i looked at thousands of once-there, now deceased sites. pretty depressing as an incidental, facebook made people measurably dumber.
1745115;1512163650;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745104 << my heathen one also has'em, but by the time i found out, it was too late, there is no built-in have-it-both-ways
1745116;1512163650;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 21:14 mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform ! mp-wp has nice names for urls!
1745117;1512163671;mircea_popescu;and in other wowz, alf's 2010 material is pretty fucking epic too! http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 specifically.
1745118;1512163674;asciilifeform;( and i have hardlinks everywhere, not only in own www, which'd be fixable, but all over heathendom )
1745119;1512163684;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mine has it both ways.
1745120;1512163696;asciilifeform;neato, i gotta crib it at some point.
1745121;1512163702;asciilifeform;lotta goodstuff in mp's wp.
1745122;1512163707;mod6;ben_vulpes: is there a comment approval process?  I submitted the comment.
1745123;1512163745;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745109 << waitasec mod6 where was this
1745124;1512163745;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 21:24 mod6: lol, asciilifeform ignore that.  i already put a comment on your blog.
1745125;1512163801;mod6;asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 -- take a look at the last comment at the bottom.  apparently on may 10th of this year.
1745126;1512163813;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745114 << i deleted a few folx from my links bar earlier this yr, who turned out to have... actually died
1745127;1512163813;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 21:27 mircea_popescu: i looked at thousands of once-there, now deceased sites. pretty depressing as an incidental, facebook made people measurably dumber.
1745128;1512163815;asciilifeform;was also depressing.
1745129;1512163821;asciilifeform;mod6: aa ok
1745130;1512163828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eg http://trilema.com/?p=76183
1745131;1512163860;asciilifeform;neato. possibly only works if you had it going from the beginning ? ( or not. i'll check it out )
1745132;1512163887;mircea_popescu;nobody ever has anything from the beginning.
1745133;1512163909;mircea_popescu;(and it also very usefully 302s, at that)
1745134;1512164016;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : lemme know if obvious typos, gaps, or thing dunbuild, etc.
1745135;1512164043;mircea_popescu;i am reading. so far, this is a major achievement, and quite fundamental at that.
1745136;1512164065;mod6;I read the entire thing so far, and it looks great.  I have droped the vpatch and sig into my V and pressed it out, which also worked great.
1745137;1512164066;asciilifeform;i sawed it into almost pathologically small jigsaw pieces. e.g. next episode concerns e.g. shifting.
1745138;1512164082;mircea_popescu;everything about it is good right and proper.
1745139;1512164090;asciilifeform;yay
1745140;1512164095;mircea_popescu;you are aware there exists no usable "learn to compute" item ANYWHERE ?
1745141;1512164096;mod6;I don't have an ada at my disposal atm. So will do an entire test of the thing tonight and post results as I have them (probably on my site).
1745142;1512164111;mircea_popescu;precisely because universities "became open" and "put online" their inept webcasts etc.
1745143;1512164115;asciilifeform;( this is something like 3-4 yrs of sweat of asciilifeform , depending on from where we count, dates to original ctronic cardanolib )
1745144;1512164143;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it will conveniently double as many things. i will add it to the topic link later today.
1745145;1512164147;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite aware. the 1 src that turned out to be reliable reference, was knuth (i.e. a 1960s work)
1745146;1512164247;ben_vulpes;mod6: released
1745147;1512164262;phf;slightly better rendering (will work on padding widths sometime later) http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/ffademo/ffa_io.adb
1745148;1512164294;asciilifeform;oh hey looxgreat on lynx and on guitron
1745149;1512164306;phf;also there's a somewhat useful, though non-standard css property "user-select" that lets you select only the code part of the page
1745150;1512164323;asciilifeform;this is quite spiffy and shithub et al dun have it
1745151;1512164345;mircea_popescu;this apple piece makes for fabulous companion reading.
1745152;1512164370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that "older comments" thing is abominable.
1745153;1512164376;asciilifeform;ohyea ancient lulzpiece , iirc was in the l0gz at some point
1745154;1512164377;mircea_popescu;proper blog can load 1k comments.
1745155;1512164407;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever got 1k comments, or near
1745156;1512164410;asciilifeform;but yes
1745157;1512164418;mircea_popescu;so then why "older comments" link bs
1745158;1512164437;asciilifeform;pretty much stock wp, almost exactly as it was in the bush presidency
1745159;1512164445;mircea_popescu;yes well it sucks.
1745160;1512164464;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: released << awesome thanks!
1745161;1512164515;mircea_popescu;his pragma list is longer than my penis
1745162;1512164549;asciilifeform;what it does is snippy-snippycut large chunks of the language.
1745163;1512164608;asciilifeform;forbids oop, uniturdism, threads and asynchrony of any form, constructs that require complex runtime support, 'unprincipled exceptions' (chiefly c-style type-casts), pointers (yes), and a few others
1745164;1512164679;asciilifeform;... the heap. and in fact any form of allocation other than stackframe
1745165;1512164707;asciilifeform;floatingpoint. the 'catching' of exceptions. etc.
1745166;1512164755;asciilifeform;the 2 things i did not forbid (though wanted to) were recursion (can't... karatsuba) and implicit-loops (can't... array assignments)
1745167;1512164809;mircea_popescu;check out teh proof. yes.
1745168;1512164860;trinque;heads up to all, I'll be traveling from about 2.5hrs from now until sunday night.
1745169;1512164877;trinque;pls to send all withdrawal requests in now or wait til sun
1745170;1512164885;asciilifeform;happy travels, trinque
1745171;1512164893;mircea_popescu;enjoy.
1745172;1512164909;trinque;ty
1745173;1512164950;trinque;mega congrats to asciilifeform on his first ffa post, will read soon.
1745174;1512164966;asciilifeform;trinque: it is largely old material, but carefully portioned and commented.
1745175;1512164969;mircea_popescu;perfect airflight fodder heh
1745176;1512166398;*;asciilifeform fixed a handful of typos
1745177;1512167150;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> dja like ? << very nice post, indeed.
1745178;1512167812;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ << updated. including delicious Vv itam.
1745179;1512167816;mircea_popescu;taking comments.\
1745180;1512167823;asciilifeform;ohheyheyheylbj!
1745181;1512167947;mod6;ah cool
1745182;1512167949;*;mod6 looks
1745183;1512168025;mod6;neato
1745184;1512168151;mircea_popescu;in other news nobody cares about, usg.state's main asset in romania looks well headed to jail. kovesi (special "anti-corruption prosecutor") lied about meeting various politicians (as part of usg embassy-directed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743878 scandal).
1745185;1512168151;a111;Logged on 2017-11-28 19:30 mircea_popescu: "don't vote for x, he not only would confiscate our constanta base BUT IS VERY CORRUPT" sorta bs.
1745186;1512168216;asciilifeform;betcha he'll turn up in miamistan soon then.
1745187;1512168221;mircea_popescu;she.
1745188;1512168226;mircea_popescu;all the rices are shes.
1745189;1512168234;asciilifeform;interesting; had nfi.
1745190;1512168252;*;asciilifeform recalls the juice she-prosecutor from old thread...
1745191;1512168255;asciilifeform;*juicy
1745192;1512168273;mircea_popescu;which one was that ?
1745193;1512168276;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725111
1745194;1512168276;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 18:55 asciilifeform: http://p.ocdn.ee/4/i/2015/11/12/tfkyk4ty.t3l.jpg << in other mega-chix
1745195;1512168320;mircea_popescu;lol
1745196;1512168320;mod6;yikes
1745197;1512168331;mircea_popescu;congenital retards ftw
1745198;1512168354;asciilifeform;supposedly was from pregnancy or somehow.
1745199;1512168387;asciilifeform;(i.e. temporary)
1745200;1512168422;mircea_popescu;ic
1745201;1512168588;asciilifeform;but meanwhile, in heathendom, https://archive.is/Oyq47 >> bitpay 'We are now beginning the work to require Payment Protocol wallet payments for all BitPay invoices.' << i had nfi this mikehearnism still lived on, even in zombieform
1745202;1512168608;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1745203;1512168613;asciilifeform;the one where hearbleed was to be merged in, that one.
1745204;1512168615;asciilifeform;*heart
1745205;1512168625;mircea_popescu;what is it even ?
1745206;1512168656;asciilifeform;prbism where you gotta tcp to somebody's box to pay him, or something of the kind
1745207;1512168685;asciilifeform;'When a Payment Protocol wallet interacts with a Payment Protocol URL, it creates an SSL-secured connection to the true owner of the receiving bitcoin address (in this case, BitPay).' etc
1745208;1512168692;asciilifeform;sslism.
1745209;1512168711;mircea_popescu;so what, they'll pretend they didn't get paid with tx in the blockchgain ?
1745210;1512168713;asciilifeform;the excuse being 'We can also analyze transactions to make sure an adequate bitcoin miner fee is included. If the fee isn't sufficient to allow the transaction to confirm on the bitcoin network on time, BitPay can return a helpful message back to the wallet to let the user know. Mistaken payments will never reach the Bitcoin network.'
1745211;1512168717;mircea_popescu;seems unlikely, they;'re marginal as it is.
1745212;1512168773;asciilifeform;it's a resurrection of circa-2014 embraceandextendism -- 'let's impose prbtronic sslistic payment-via-tcp, and at the same time spam some moar spamola, make blox less breathable'
1745213;1512168825;asciilifeform;'If you are using the BitPay, Copay, Mycelium, or Electrum wallets for your bitcoin payments, nothing will change. These true bitcoin wallets all already "speak" Payment Protocol. If you are using a non-Payment Protocol wallet or service to pay BitPay invoices, you will need to move your spending bitcoin to a wallet or service which can support Payment Protocol. We strongly recommend that you use a true bitcoin wallet for spending to
1745214;1512168825;asciilifeform; avoid delayed transactions, but you will be able to use any service compatible with Payment Protocol.'
1745215;1512168858;asciilifeform;i.e. all of the major heathen fronts, nominally on board.
1745216;1512168902;asciilifeform;'whaddayeamean you don't want ssl in the loop, and put it all through nsa cables, terrorist.'
1745217;1512168927;mircea_popescu;um. so literally, they say pay x to y, you do, they go "lalala" ?
1745218;1512168930;mircea_popescu;this'd be pretty lulzy.
1745219;1512168969;asciilifeform;i suppose it will be propped up with 'hey it was in shitoshi 1.0, so He Meant This To Be' crapolade.
1745220;1512168997;asciilifeform;( iirc some variant of this idiocy was in fact present in 0.3 )
1745221;1512169017;mircea_popescu;lets get teh popcorns then.
1745222;1512169042;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's better to "sacrifice" self on the noble altar of high socialist ideals than to simply admit that can't make money and can't continue supporting losses.
1745223;1512169063;asciilifeform;dunno that bitpay et al ever had the intention of making profit.
1745224;1512169067;asciilifeform;it's a tentacle.
1745225;1512169088;mircea_popescu;started as a for profit, for sure.
1745226;1512169224;asciilifeform;'we recommend that wallets take an additional step and not broadcast payments rejected via the Bitcoin Payment Protocol' didjaknow
1745227;1512169261;mircea_popescu;hurr ?
1745228;1512169282;mircea_popescu;ah so the idea basically is to tell the inexistent miner cartel not to mine txns they don't want ?
1745229;1512169288;asciilifeform;aaha
1745230;1512169310;mircea_popescu;hey, soft forks upon soft forks, why the hell not.
1745231;1512169448;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, new car theft method : drink a bottle of coca-cola, screw the tap back on, stick it in between wheel and chassis on parked car, wait for owner to get in and try to leave. the bottle will sound, the muppet will get out of the car to see, at which point you can just leave with it.
1745232;1512169459;asciilifeform;'Customers with mistaken payments only receive partial refunds of the BTC they sent because of miner fee costs. One customer of a BitPay merchant recently spent 0.003853 BTC on a payment which was mistakenly underpaid by a small amount. They were only able to receive a refund of 0.002247 BTC. This is not the experience we want bitcoin users to have.' << 'use our gox or Lose It All!111' etc
1745233;1512169507;asciilifeform;lol who gets out and leaves key ?!
1745234;1512169512;BingoBoingo; ( iirc some variant of this idiocy was in fact present in 0.3 ) << The one they use now did not exist till 0.9
1745235;1512169514;asciilifeform;or is idea that you whack'im over the head
1745236;1512169515;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from the perspective of "we're trying to survive mp" it is perfectly understandable. miner fees per tx are rapidly growing to a size comparable to the "walmart one item cost", which is what bitpay & all are willy-nilly married to.
1745237;1512169526;mircea_popescu;they wanted smaller fees for a reason.
1745238;1512169544;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 90% of women and 50% of men.
1745239;1512169549;asciilifeform;wanted small fees -- shouldn't have 'stress tested'
1745240;1512169557;mircea_popescu;toolate.jpg
1745241;1512169566;mircea_popescu;this is how the empire fails, takes local optimums.
1745242;1512169627;asciilifeform;for some reason ( and from both threads, oddly ) asciilifeform recalls the classic monkey trap, with the coconut
1745243;1512170192;TomServo;3
1745244;1512170206;asciilifeform;ohai TomServo
1745245;1512170210;asciilifeform;3 of what ?
1745246;1512170303;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing ro lulz, http://sov.ro/2017/11/21/capitolul-59-imi-veti-plati-4-miliarde-de-euro/ ( http://trilema.com/2010/ticalosul-si-libertatea/ rewriting http://trilema.com/2010/in-opera-sa-ne-masuram/ forgetting, of course, the "i'm just re-writing mp poorly years later" coda)
1745247;1512170320;asciilifeform;lol sov.ro
1745248;1512170331;asciilifeform;is it meant to evoke sovroms ?
1745249;1512170376;mircea_popescu;guy was a major... well, like bill gates, or khodorovsky, however you call the faux business men produced by governments. except in ro, so he's talking 1e7 rather than 1e10
1745250;1512170380;diana_coman;"Note that endianness is irrelevant, here and elsewhere in FFA" <- FINALLY! esp given my recent keccak-induced headaches on the topic, I am delighted to read this; will dig deeper into ffa ch1 over the weekend
1745251;1512170380;asciilifeform;'O țară de talia României nu are cum supraviețui în afara uni bloc economic' << really ?? really?
1745252;1512170383;asciilifeform;and best kr ?
1745253;1512170398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform initialism, sorin ovidiu vintu
1745254;1512170402;asciilifeform;aaa
1745255;1512170444;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the trick to endian-agnostic mechanisms is to never byte-address. at all.
1745256;1512170461;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he has a point though. you need someone as doggedly determined as ceausescu to keep the thing afloat. economic blocs are a reality for what, 50 years now ? euro "common market" was not particularily DESIRED.
1745257;1512170477;mircea_popescu;just unavoidable.
1745258;1512170492;asciilifeform;diana_coman: observe that the one place where we give any shit at all re octets, is the printer, and there we simply shift Byteness*2 times.
1745259;1512170507;diana_coman;ofc; but idiotic keccac "reference" implementation goes about reading *bytes* although spec clearly talks of bits and at most of z-dimension long array of bytes and as a consequence madness necessarily ensues
1745260;1512170542;diana_coman;as I said: my recent headaches on the topic made this absolutely pop out to me
1745261;1512170552;asciilifeform;diana_coman: fortunately ffa is an arithmetron not an academitard-designed hashtron, and doesn't ever need to care about bytes, worx in units of machineword.
1745262;1512170577;diana_coman;array of bits* there
1745263;1512170615;asciilifeform;i'd sit down and do a proper incarnation of keccak, diana_coman , but i have maybe half a free hand and 40 hands worth of what to do..
1745264;1512170657;asciilifeform;incl. unspeakable saecular horrors
1745265;1512170662;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I sorted out some ada implementation and will post it; atm the struggle is more to figure out the "test vectors" for full sponge because of all this madness
1745266;1512170676;asciilifeform;yea afaik nobody ever made a proper one
1745267;1512170870;TomServo;asciilifeform: 3 of what ? << 3 reasons to not leave myself voiced while I'm clumsily reading scrollback, I suppose.
1745268;1512170876;asciilifeform;lol
1745269;1512170903;asciilifeform;TomServo: tried ffa ch1 tutorial yet ?
1745270;1512170918;mircea_popescu;lol this guy
1745271;1512170931;TomServo;I can barely fit a bite in my mouth.
1745272;1512171238;TomServo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726202 << They did actually. 1998 'Gia', with Angelina Jolie, if you count HBO movies.
1745273;1512171238;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 17:12 mircea_popescu: and speaking of aids-en : isn't it a pity nobody's yet made a film out of gia carangi's life ? that chick was ACTUALLY a model, in the most proper of senses.
1745274;1512171580;asciilifeform;meanwhile in asciilifeform's spam collector, ' Start live in Germany in only 15 days. In 2 months you will receive the Residence Permits. '
1745275;1512171624;*;asciilifeform not previously seen this flavour.
1745276;1512171636;phf;edi weitz nuked all his lisp stuff, with a redirect to shithub. naturally if you want to look for documentation you have to go to ???
1745277;1512171643;asciilifeform;uggh
1745278;1512171648;asciilifeform;when did this happen phf
1745279;1512171655;phf;eg http://weitz.de/drakma/
1745280;1512171662;phf;must've been couple of days
1745281;1512171666;asciilifeform;sad.
1745282;1512171709;ben_vulpes;why would an ancient lisp hacker give two shits re what the kids are doing?
1745283;1512171732;phf;note that the redirect says "~most~ of the common lisp stuff is now on shithub"
1745284;1512171750;phf;because for example his lispworks extension hacks are nowhere but archive.org at this point
1745285;1512171753;asciilifeform;i would have guessed 'starved, lost server' but ~something~ is still hosting that pg
1745286;1512171825;phf;i believe the only correct solution at this point are terabyte backup drives with everything you ever touch, i suppose that's what asciilifeform's been doing for a while now
1745287;1512171837;asciilifeform;aha.
1745288;1512171843;asciilifeform;fortunately cheap nao.
1745289;1512171851;phf;time isn't though
1745290;1512171865;asciilifeform;troo
1745291;1512171886;phf;well, scratch that, i'm just ranting. once you have the setup, it's a pretty smooth operation i suppose. i just don't want to bother with the whole backing up the internet thing
1745292;1512171901;phf;but that's in the "i just want to" territory, so tough.
1745293;1512172149;mircea_popescu;TomServo i count that like i count microsoft windows offering. it's the anti-item. gia is all about fucking, not all about being a dork.
1745294;1512172155;asciilifeform;meanwhile the critics speak : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18374
1745295;1512172178;TomServo;mircea_popescu: That's about what I figured, but in case you were unaware.
1745296;1512172199;mircea_popescu;i saw it, it offended me.
1745297;1512172236;asciilifeform;phf: it may interest you to know that i dun have any fancy setup, beyond e.g. wget -m -r ...
1745298;1512172241;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think it's because computing class is postodctoral, whereas language class is highschool. so they learn the x:=a a:=b b:=x "trick" way before anyone even explains xor.
1745299;1512172261;asciilifeform;hm where does one learn to program, but not see xor.
1745300;1512172274;asciilifeform;even in american school first we did gate etc.
1745301;1512172293;asciilifeform;( not speaking of uni, either, but of plain old plebeschool )
1745302;1512172311;mircea_popescu;very much a case of "are you trying to learn how to fly the f-14 on the basis of having been a f-4 pilot, or are you trying to learn how to fly the f-14 because you loved f-14 flight sim on crapple as a teen ?"
1745303;1512172361;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "numerical methods for mechanical engineers", for one
1745304;1512172375;ben_vulpes;also known as "enough matlab to make completely convincing fabrications"
1745305;1512172383;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and f4 man luvved his father's crop duster
1745306;1512172390;asciilifeform;everyone starts somewhere.
1745307;1512172396;mircea_popescu;"double ugly flying anvil"
1745308;1512172427;mircea_popescu;"the triumph of thrust over fluid flow"
1745309;1512172446;*;asciilifeform softly sings canonical 'Мой Фантом, как пуля быстрый, в небе голубом и чистом, с ревом набирает высоту...'
1745310;1512172457;mircea_popescu;and, importantly, luftverteidingungsdiesel
1745311;1512172468;asciilifeform;( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_NOPpfJ0F4 << subj )
1745312;1512172501;phf;asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure i've not even seen xor mentioned at umd. i learned about it first and last at evening math school in moscow
1745313;1512172502;mircea_popescu;"it is better for your jet fighter to resemble a stove than a wafer".
1745314;1512172529;asciilifeform;phf: how didja avoid system architecture ( iirc #311 ) ?
1745315;1512172543;asciilifeform;or 'discretes' ( #250 ) ?
1745316;1512172629;*;mircea_popescu discovered xor while trying to make z80 gfx as a 7-8-9yo.
1745317;1512172631;phf;well, i was placed straight into 300 levels, but i recall 311 being fast and loose with actual teaching.
1745318;1512172647;mircea_popescu;(thing had programmable characters, you could define your own 8x8 bitfield glyph, anyone recall ?
1745319;1512172653;mircea_popescu;HAD UNICODE SUPPORT! CORRECTLY MADE!
1745320;1512172666;asciilifeform;what chars a particular z80tron had, depended on chipset eh
1745321;1512172667;phf;maybe they taught it, but seeing a boolean map really translate into understanding of how you apply dat shit to bit twiddling etc.
1745322;1512172684;mircea_popescu;also had direct-to-memory (via poke) chartable switching :D
1745323;1512172688;phf;/seeing/does seeing/
1745324;1512172699;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most cards on pc from ega up also let define 8x8 char
1745325;1512172707;asciilifeform;sorta how orcs were able to koi8 etc
1745326;1512172723;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1745327;1512172749;asciilifeform;even on c64 ( 1980s micro popular in the west ) it was pretty simple. was my 1st comp in usa, and i wrote a cyrillic thing, but useless ( what to read! )
1745328;1512172770;phf;mircea_popescu: actually that's probably more correct, i have vague memory of doing xor in pascal maybe to do leet vga graphixxx
1745329;1512172771;mircea_popescu;good soviet types in the book he wants to read.
1745330;1512172779;asciilifeform;lol
1745331;1512172787;asciilifeform;phf: certainly can't do e.g. spritegraphics without xor.
1745332;1512172795;mircea_popescu;phf pascal was huge letdown for me, either didn't have or i didn't know how to get to the direct memory diddle.
1745333;1512172799;mircea_popescu;borlandc much better.
1745334;1512172804;asciilifeform;i had the borland pascal
1745335;1512172808;mircea_popescu;me too.
1745336;1512172809;asciilifeform;and...
1745337;1512172811;mircea_popescu;6.0 iirc
1745338;1512172812;asciilifeform;!# SWAG
1745339;1512172816;asciilifeform;!#s SWAG
1745340;1512172817;a111;67 results for "SWAG", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=SWAG
1745341;1512172837;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615382 subj )
1745342;1512172837;a111;Logged on 2017-02-18 22:24 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615371 << the nutrient alone is not enough to produce maggots. e.g., 'SWAG' archive ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-18#1241627 ) of pascal snippets existed, was first class . 0 maggotry.
1745343;1512172865;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the concept of "programming" in a sense other than direct memory write was something i had to deliberately learn against inclination. like mult table, about the same time. "wtf is this bs and why am i writing words"
1745344;1512172887;asciilifeform;phunphakt, ada was originally a contest ( in chet-era usa mil ) and 'green ada' , a iirc french entrant, won; was made by pascalists. ergo today's looks quite like pascal
1745345;1512172899;phf;(this is pretty apropos chuck moore links from few days ago)
1745346;1512172900;asciilifeform;( with quite minor, in the big picture, differences )
1745347;1512172917;mircea_popescu;i recall that story ye.
1745348;1512172981;asciilifeform;the other interesting bit, niklaus wirth ( pascal ) afaik still alive. and even made own machine, chuck-moore-style, and os, 'oberon'
1745349;1512172991;asciilifeform;many interesting concepts therein.
1745350;1512172992;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a fundamental divide between people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "basically large phone switchboard with robotic switchmaid" and people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "squee! apple drawing thing!"
1745351;1512173010;mircea_popescu;the latter i expect will be the "x switch" folk.
1745352;1512173023;asciilifeform;!~google wirth plea for lean software
1745353;1512173024;jhvh1;asciilifeform: A plea for lean software - Computer: ; Niklaus Wirth : A Plea for Lean Software (1995) [pdf] | Hacker News: ; Niklaus Wirth - A Plea for Lean Software .pdf - GitHub:  anyway, there's a fundamental divide between people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "basically large phone switchboard with robotic switchmaid" and people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "squee! apple drawing thing!" << In sixth grade computer (Apple II) was introduced to class as drawing thing (turtle graphics)
1745356;1512173091;mircea_popescu;aha.
1745357;1512173113;BingoBoingo;7th grade computer reintoduced (Mac Classic I) as "typewriter substitute"
1745358;1512173151;BingoBoingo;9th grade computer (iMac G3) reintroduced again as "Internet lives here"
1745359;1512173196;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in so far as i can tell, having access to actual comp is not necessarily good for a kid
1745360;1512173212;BingoBoingo;So it is increasingly appearing
1745361;1512173236;asciilifeform;it isn't necessarily lethal; but not automagically great.
1745362;1512173259;mircea_popescu;just like everything elser.
1745363;1512173261;BingoBoingo;Major determiner likely WHO introduces
1745364;1512173277;mircea_popescu;nitric acid also not automagically great even if not necessarily lethal.
1745365;1512173287;asciilifeform;the uncrossable divide seems to be pre- vs post- reddit age.
1745366;1512173347;mircea_popescu;two major divides : a) post cunt-is-for-fucking late 80s what with the condoms, pills, disco scene end and b) pre internet-is-for-everyone 2005 or so
1745367;1512173376;mircea_popescu;the petri dish had exactly one generation's worth of leak.
1745368;1512173389;asciilifeform;some dour 'oldfag' might say '93
1745369;1512173401;mircea_popescu;nah, the damage wasn't really done even in 1999.
1745370;1512173414;asciilifeform;in '99 usenet was still functioning and reasonably readable, say.
1745371;1512173418;asciilifeform;asciilifeform -- was reading.
1745372;1512173438;asciilifeform;msdos was still bootable on readily-available iron. vga card -- programmable. etc
1745373;1512173439;mircea_popescu;pretty much everything, from usenet to "what will the chick you pick up via irc or from a game lan party say".
1745374;1512173488;asciilifeform;in '99 the net was still something that 'hm, i'ma turn on modem, dial, sync my newsreader, then it's yer turn, brother' etc
1745375;1512173491;mircea_popescu;i dunno if anyone remembers, BUT! there was a point in earth's history when what chick said was not automatically dumb.
1745376;1512173522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa that was prolly some time before wilson, so i never saw
1745377;1512173541;mircea_popescu;no wai. in 1999 if female stood up in say polynomial interpolation class, you didn't just check out.
1745378;1512173551;asciilifeform;yea but none did
1745379;1512173557;mircea_popescu;it happened!
1745380;1512173560;*;asciilifeform believes.
1745381;1512173608;mircea_popescu;in my topgun hs class we had a chick being chem first hand and another being either math or physics 2nd hand, whichever line was thin.
1745382;1512173615;mircea_popescu;this is respectable, 2 out of 7/8 or so people.
1745383;1512173636;asciilifeform;neato.
1745384;1512173664;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's elder brother's program-su-pdp-clone instructor, was a chick, reportedly
1745385;1512173672;asciilifeform;1990-91 iirc
1745386;1512173701;asciilifeform;but in usa as mircea_popescu put it 'there COULD have been green beret, but then nope'
1745387;1512173711;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking sad.
1745388;1512173718;asciilifeform;verily.
1745389;1512173731;mircea_popescu;you know for a fact that in 3-400mn walkers there's at least a dozen or two chicks who could have done it.
1745390;1512173737;mircea_popescu;and well... nope. ACCESS DENIED.
1745391;1512173792;mircea_popescu;and the whole fucking point is SPECIFICALLY so that they can't accomplish anything and get fucked in exactly the way blacks got fucked via obamaing.
1745392;1512173804;mircea_popescu;misoginy turned up to the >9000.
1745393;1512173812;asciilifeform;so as in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744823 aha
1745394;1512173812;a111;Logged on 2017-11-30 18:58 asciilifeform: find new and new crops of fresh 'we owe everything we have to the great inca' nobodies ?
1745395;1512173844;mircea_popescu;scandalous.
1745396;1512174364;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745291 << kinda what the whole archives lobbes and others been working on is all about
1745397;1512174364;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 23:44 phf: well, scratch that, i'm just ranting. once you have the setup, it's a pretty smooth operation i suppose. i just don't want to bother with the whole backing up the internet thing
1745398;1512174372;mircea_popescu;"dump in chan, forget about it"
1745399;1512174387;mircea_popescu;yes, large, difficult, etc task. not however avoidable, in the end.
1745400;1512174387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it dun have infinite depth tho ( impractical )
1745401;1512174400;mircea_popescu;nothing infinite is ever practical, so this objection is moot.
1745402;1512174414;asciilifeform;not an objection to having an archivebot
1745403;1512174426;asciilifeform;but must point out that it does not magick away the problem of rot.
1745404;1512174431;mircea_popescu;(i guess this isn't obvious to anyone but me, but obviously once the item is in chan the very first next extension is "now let it take a list of urls in paste from user")
1745405;1512174473;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some kind of uci is the only possible solution to "superinformation highway" potholes.
1745406;1512174487;asciilifeform;( recently asciilifeform found and of course locally mirrored some rando d00d's ftp with a few GB of bolixism. this is not imho properly a job for auto-archivebot, normally )
1745407;1512174518;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, notable unsolvedproblem.
1745408;1512174534;mircea_popescu;i dunno how to evaluate yet if you're right.
1745409;1512174562;mircea_popescu;(in other news, #trilema fucking takes the cake in terms of error messages.)
1745410;1512174583;asciilifeform;hm?
1745411;1512174598;mircea_popescu;the above. "E1337 : i dunno how to evaluate if you're right".
1745412;1512174600;asciilifeform;aaa
1745413;1512174618;*;mircea_popescu now wants a computer LIKE THAT!
1745414;1512174662;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1380083 << oblig
1745415;1512174662;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 19:50 asciilifeform: when you push it, the word правильно (CORRECT)
1745416;1512174685;mircea_popescu;lol
1745417;1512174743;mircea_popescu;amusingly, ru "correct" is moar like "legal" than anything.
1745418;1512174769;mircea_popescu;"regular" lessay.
1745419;1512174772;asciilifeform;no odder than engl word 'right'
1745420;1512174832;mircea_popescu;well... correct is from straight. so is right.
1745421;1512174840;asciilifeform;aaha
1745422;1512174865;mircea_popescu;not from legal. which would make the alien anthropologist suspect the russkis have the great inca, not the usskis.
1745423;1512175030;asciilifeform;they certainly had 'great inca', before columbus sailed.
1745424;1512175069;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, if you want another vignette : dan adamescu was this fellow, 2nd richest romanian (excluding mp, of course) in 2013. then the govt took its krysha back, his company magically was now bankrupt, by 2016 he was being sent to jail for supposedly trying to bribe the judgtes in a 1e8 civil case with 20k. early 2017 had died, of septicemia, for which he had been placed in medical coma. it all begun with a knee ope
1745425;1512175069;mircea_popescu;ration. guess what made it necessary.
1745426;1512175094;asciilifeform;lol kneecapped?
1745427;1512175099;mircea_popescu;the guy's son somehow managed to have teh ICSID tell the romanians to get fucked (they actually had an interpol "arrest warrant" out for the guy)
1745428;1512175180;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well... prison life can be hard for a 68 yo whom teh russians particularly dun like. bonus points : his lawyer "suicided" self by jumping before train.
1745429;1512175232;asciilifeform;i dun get it, what was the ru aspect
1745430;1512175264;mircea_popescu;can't say i exactly get it either, but it wasn't teh usians so what exactly is lefty.
1745431;1512175273;asciilifeform;swedes!11
1745432;1512175278;mircea_popescu;i... guess.
1745433;1512175285;mircea_popescu;maybe it was the ukrs!!1
1745434;1512175354;mircea_popescu;it conceivably was a bit of personal bitterness over some ancient story about taping people in hotels. or any other thing.
1745435;1512175400;asciilifeform;could be just about anyone and anything, asciilifeform is wholly unequipped to say.
1745436;1512175406;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1745437;1512175490;asciilifeform;( sometimes it is very obvious who-whom, when demonstrative and spectacular polonium tea etc.; but this is rare. )
1745438;1512179081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: item XI in http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic refers to i suspect an unrenumbered X
1745439;1512179128;asciilifeform;( or hm, maybe not )
1745440;1512180979;mod6;asciilifeform: my gprbuild threw some errors like "invalid restriction identifier "No_Implicit_Protected_Object_Allocations"" : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKdvZ/?raw=true
1745441;1512180993;asciilifeform;which gnat, mod6 !
1745442;1512181003;asciilifeform;nm it's in there
1745443;1512181023;asciilifeform;i tested on gnu's, but 2016
1745444;1512181053;asciilifeform;entirely possibly 2015 didn't have those knobs.
1745445;1512181057;mod6;ah. maybe this one is too old.  i'll work on that.
1745446;1512181072;asciilifeform;you can comment out the pertinent knobs, see if any other caltrops.
1745447;1512181085;mod6;ok
1745448;1512181119;asciilifeform;( prolly i oughta lose the last 2 at least, tasking is already off )
1745449;1512181264;mod6;Ok, I commented out the four restrictions that it complained about then : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FaQpe/?raw=true
1745450;1512181294;mod6;Looks good :]
1745451;1512181342;asciilifeform;yay
1745452;1512181347;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1745453;1512181353;mod6;I'll try see about finding a new gnat laying around and try that.
1745454;1512182340;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems not ?
1745455;1512182545;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other sharps, http://78.media.tumblr.com/20afd2aecb43d68df838503074670c0a/tumblr_n9h5pgBXMd1sj1qcfo1_500.gif
1745456;1512185512;mircea_popescu;aaand in alt-ows, https://midatlanticua.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/mid-atalantic-ua-adopts-sector-3/
1745457;1512185919;mod6;ah ya, st. paul
1745458;1512186092;mircea_popescu;aaand for amateur cryptanalysts, https://fthmb.tqn.com/POA6cGIggoug8OUSU5AFQr2WAsU=/2073x2625/filters:fill%28auto,1%29/Zimmermann_Telegram_as_Received_by_the_German_Ambassador_to_Mexico_-_NARA_-_302025-5827b8ca3df78c6f6a7c945d.jpg
1745459;1512187731;asciilifeform;i get empty page
1745460;1512189870;lobbes;phf aha nice easter egg with a specific search term in btcbase.org. I'll leave it unmentioned so others may have the joy of stumbling on it :)
1745461;1512190130;phf;lobbes: hehe, you probably ran into me testing a feature, but that's a good idea :)
1745462;1512191129;phf;“MacOS Update Accidentally Undoes Apple's “root” Bug Patch (wired.com)”
1745463;1512191263;ben_vulpes;best part is that it only undoes the patch, doesn't re-break macs with root passwords manually set.
1745464;1512191412;ben_vulpes;and in other hn headlines: "five ways to fix statistics" (nature.com) huh fascinating! i hadn't realized that /statistics/ was broken, i was laboring under the impression that it was the /heads/ that were broken.
1745465;1512192705;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1745466;1512192712;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10719.65, vol: 16844.80278042 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10676.0, vol: 86283.87155316 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10760.0, vol: 4619.59952465 | Volume-weighted last average: 10686.4254292
1745467;1512201392;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/02/the-boingo-isp-tbi-november-2017-statement/ << Bingo Blog - The Boingo ISP (TBI) November 2017 Statement
1745468;1512201430;BingoBoingo;^ Bring the comments and beatings
1745469;1512201611;BingoBoingo;In other news it turns out "language exchange" websites of miniscule size feature better user engagement and higher user activity than Okcupid or the other IAC swaps
1745470;1512211252;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes statistics can produce toxic facts. it is broken like bitcoin, needs "payment protocol"
1745471;1512211300;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo everything that's not run by usg runs better than anything that's run by usg. you've got a better chance to manage an airplane bombing strike by talking to some obscure black bloc than the dod.
1745472;1512214992;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/integration-is-bad-for-bitcoin/ << Trilema - Integration is bad for Bitcoin.
1745473;1512220448;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in deaths,  http://m.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication
1745474;1512224350;*;ben_vulpes bbl in a few days
1745475;1512228597;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in alert readers, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18378
1745476;1512228939;asciilifeform;but meanwhile in world of entomology, https://i.imgur.com/SJMeCBU.jpg
1745477;1512229252;asciilifeform;meanwhile, trotskyite and buharinite wreckers on trial, https://archive.is/Hc6QT >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kPHNg/?raw=true >> 'A former U.S. National Security Agency employee pleaded guilty on Friday to illegally taking classified information outside the spy agency that an intelligence official said was later stolen from his home computer by Russian hackers' etc
1745478;1512229349;asciilifeform;^ d00d 'pleabargained'
1745479;1512229471;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/o5rrg/?raw=true << ocr of indictment etc.
1745480;1512229491;mircea_popescu;how many whiles!
1745481;1512229497;asciilifeform;many!1
1745482;1512229539;asciilifeform;and meanwhilemeanwhile, another trotskyitewrecker, flynn, also pleabargained
1745483;1512229555;asciilifeform;!#s flynn
1745484;1512229556;a111;27 results for "flynn", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flynn
1745485;1512229574;mircea_popescu;awww
1745486;1512229900;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by now ~90% or so of us "law enforcement" consists of "asset forfeiture". totally not bankrupt empire.
1745487;1512229962;asciilifeform;as i understand it is a traditional punishment in incastans. ye olde su had it.
1745488;1512229977;asciilifeform;'...с конфискацией имущества' was the verdict formulation.
1745489;1512230010;mircea_popescu;yes but by now it is counteradvisable to work for eg nsa if you're not poor from a purely wealth management perspective.
1745490;1512230027;asciilifeform;what sort of 'asset' can a civil servant have, even
1745491;1512230062;asciilifeform;( as i understand quite uncommon for them to actually own house or land etc. tho this was an older d00d, possibly -- owned something )
1745492;1512230097;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "linux journal" advertises "puppet" and some "in their words" about "becoming a cloud native organisation".
1745493;1512230099;mircea_popescu;better this way.
1745494;1512230117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lived as zombie for some years, aha
1745495;1512230125;mircea_popescu;but let's see #linuxjournal
1745496;1512230178;mircea_popescu;* Topic for #linuxjournal is: Welcome to the Social Channel for Linux Journal | www.linuxjournal.com | Ops (@) are LJ Staff | Harmful commands *must* have a disclaimer or you will be banned permanently. | Hateful/prejudicial language/slurs = Kickban | http://pastebin.com/ | https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication
1745497;1512230213;asciilifeform;ahahahahahahahaha
1745498;1512230223;asciilifeform;let the cement mixer, tip.
1745499;1512230328;mircea_popescu;to quote from myself, "just wanted to let you folks know it's great fucking news your sad zombie finally croaked.
1745500;1512230328;mircea_popescu;let it be clear for everyone that pushing "cloud" and pushing "Hateful/prejudicial language/slurs = Kickban" and generally pushing the ustardian aggenda = death.
1745501;1512230328;mircea_popescu;now go be ashamed of yourselves."
1745502;1512230560;asciilifeform;re the vietnamese (lol!) nsa d00d, oblig. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744668 .
1745503;1512230560;a111;Logged on 2017-11-30 16:00 asciilifeform: reminds of : ''I was such a pure and terrifying Aryan that they even put me in a special detachment. Its mission was to find out how the Jews always knew what the S.S. was going to do next There was a leak somewhere, and we were out to stop it' He looked bitter and affronted, remembering it, even though he had been that leak. 'Was the detachment successful in its mission?' I said. 'I'm happy to say,' said Arpad, 'that fourteen S.S. m
1745504;1512230568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think your response to apeloyee is correct actually, when you call with the same item you're fucking yourself. BUT!
1745505;1512230572;asciilifeform;somebody oughta get order-of-lenin for these caught wreckerz.
1745506;1512230576;mircea_popescu;i can't conceive how this can occur. how can it occur ?
1745507;1512230606;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my current understanding is that , having banned pointers, it can only occur with an explicit call foo(X, X) , visible to naked eye hamfistmistake in src.
1745508;1512230645;asciilifeform;if pointers were permitted -- it could occur in a foo(A, B) when A turns out to point to same thing as B
1745509;1512230686;mircea_popescu;but, it wouldn't happen if foo(4,4) nor when foo(x,y) where the VALUES of x=y=4. it'd strictly happen when foo(x,x) ie, same variable_name
1745510;1512230766;asciilifeform;normally you would have to call it like  foo(X.all, Y.all) .
1745511;1512230773;asciilifeform;(if X and Y were pointers )
1745512;1512230807;mircea_popescu;he has a good nose sniffing it out, but i don't believe your sicilian's "if thumbs hurt, cut arm at elbow to be sure" approach is warranted. next patch put a warning in the comments an' let 'em be.
1745513;1512230832;asciilifeform;but. but i can think of one scenario where they are not pointers, explicitly, but can still have'em point to same place. (though i also banned it!) --- if there were an allocator pool that somehow put X and Y, conventional nonpointerolade items, in the same exact place in memory.
1745514;1512230858;asciilifeform;but observe, i banned heaps.
1745515;1512230862;mircea_popescu;right.
1745516;1512230865;asciilifeform;(that elbow -- cut!1)
1745517;1512230877;mircea_popescu;also should be a comment there, after the pragma "if you unban these careful about wswap)
1745518;1512230892;mircea_popescu;nah, no heap is more like ombelicum cut.
1745519;1512230913;asciilifeform;iirc i did note that i found that fz_swap is actually used nowhere .
1745520;1512230934;asciilifeform;fz_mux however is fundamental ~everywhere.
1745521;1512230940;mircea_popescu;yes
1745522;1512230957;asciilifeform;this is the kind of situation for which 'precondition' item was made.
1745523;1512231126;asciilifeform;it wouldn't, naturally, go in w_mux, but in fz_mux. can prove that if the latter has it, so does the former, elementarily
1745524;1512231770;mircea_popescu;anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
1745525;1512231771;mircea_popescu;ditions on the matter being PoW than originally agreed upon, through d) the direct avenue of refusing to continue "non-compliant" chains.
1745526;1512231847;mircea_popescu;this then gives incentive to those eternal "powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers" from http://trilema.com/2012/in-re-hein-hettinga-et-al-v-usofa/#selection-39.349-39.463 to drive integration of PoW with the predictable result.
1745527;1512231881;asciilifeform;mining-is-a-bug(tm)(r)
1745528;1512231894;mircea_popescu;the bricking-of-extant-asics moment edges ever closer.
1745529;1512231936;asciilifeform;iirc buncha derps already proclaimed 'pow-only' forkola
1745530;1512231949;asciilifeform;( i fughet for when scheduled, and by whom, mostly slept through this )
1745531;1512231973;asciilifeform;it isn't even clear to asciilifeform that there is any such thing known as a good pow
1745532;1512231990;mircea_popescu;not as it stands.
1745533;1512232007;asciilifeform;so what if sha2 chinese die, if fpga-chinese immediately take their place.
1745534;1512232026;mircea_popescu;but there's definitely TWO known bugs in bitcoin now. to the ancient and oft discussed here node-miner split, we are to add this new one, pow-centralization.
1745535;1512232044;asciilifeform;not really new , was already quite painfully there in '14
1745536;1512232067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the bricking was never contemplated outside of something like http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
1745537;1512232085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes, all bugs are in the pie since the baking.
1745538;1512232123;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1745539;1512232767;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/w7yTY/?raw=true
1745540;1512236280;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: worx!!
1745541;1512236311;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732934 << re this entire discussion, helpful graybeard points out that throughout the 1991 A-10s/F15s patrolled iraq trying to spot the scud TELs, but ~never managed.
1745542;1512236311;a111;Logged on 2017-11-04 15:47 asciilifeform: incidentally, rf 'fox hunting' is at this point a traditional sport in ru, and the 'fox' is always found .
1745543;1512236319;mircea_popescu;too much like normal trucks, too burried into em background.
1745544;1512236345;mircea_popescu;and we're talking 100s of airborne detectors, latirn, synthetic aperture radars, the works.
1745545;1512236389;mircea_popescu;(amusingly, pentagon went in with the same expectations ; but never actually managed to land a hit)
1745546;1512236399;asciilifeform;pretty 'small' target tho.
1745547;1512236423;mircea_popescu;a 12 meter rocket + the semi truck carrying it x3 + tankers + c&c + meteo etc ?
1745548;1512236425;asciilifeform;not really comparable to what iirc prev thread was about, hypothetical kW sw transmitter in usa suburbia wastescape
1745549;1512236426;mircea_popescu;if that is small there is no big,.
1745550;1512236432;asciilifeform;small rfwise i mean.
1745551;1512236448;mircea_popescu;but huge thermalwise.
1745552;1512236457;mircea_popescu;you decided infrared is not em ?
1745553;1512236504;mircea_popescu;(lantir = infared targetting and navigation item)
1745554;1512236547;asciilifeform;mention of 'fox hunt' thread led me to think that the iraq memory were re rf triangulation, rather than search for ir-glowing truck engines from aerial camera
1745555;1512236576;mircea_popescu;that was one aspect of it.
1745556;1512236610;mircea_popescu;SAR, another aspect of it.
1745557;1512236618;mircea_popescu;if there was something to try, it was tried.
1745558;1512236658;asciilifeform;the ho chi minh truck search iirc worked better because smaller background.
1745559;1512236680;mircea_popescu;maybe also much shittier trucks.
1745560;1512236688;asciilifeform;similar trucks
1745561;1512236690;mircea_popescu;this was you know, the desert. what's in the desert.
1745562;1512236749;mircea_popescu;anyway. the general point here being that fox hunt a LOT more difficult than everyone ever expects, be it alf, pentagon, etcetera.
1745563;1512236773;asciilifeform;errythingdepends, i'd expect, on the relative 'sizes' of fox vs forest trees.
1745564;1512236789;mircea_popescu;9 truck convoy > sand dune.
1745565;1512236852;mircea_popescu;(teh carrier, 8x8 artillery truck uses a 40-L diesel engine or somesuch)
1745566;1512236891;asciilifeform;also depends on wavelength. uhf (10s of GHz) line-of-sight beams behave muchly like laser, you gotta know exactly where it is and sit down into the path through air, no bigger than train tunnel, to listen
1745567;1512236939;asciilifeform;whereas most of what folx think of as traditional radio spectrum, goes around corners, terrain, moar omnidirectional flavour
1745568;1512236962;mircea_popescu;but the fox is still big.
1745569;1512237000;diana_coman;asciilifeform, in fz_type.ads: why is word_count range 1..Indices'Last and not 1..Indices'Last/Word'Size ?
1745570;1512237003;mircea_popescu;the "think of it as heat" mental experiment imo has the great advantage of clearing the mind of all sorts of bizarro world "nsa is cool" assumptions about "electromagnetic signature", a magical property of radiation to "know who its daddy is" or somesuch
1745571;1512237052;asciilifeform;diana_coman: why would you divide ? i dun get it
1745572;1512237074;asciilifeform;1 .. Indices'Last   is simply a way to say 'exactly same as Indices, but 0 is forbidden'
1745573;1512237136;asciilifeform;theoretically a word count of a number equal to the number of words in machine's memory, is legal
1745574;1512237155;asciilifeform;what does dividing it by word bitness ( Word'Size ) accomplish ?
1745575;1512237245;diana_coman;uhm; my understanding is that Indices is in essence the type for bit-level indexing; sure some values overlap but you can't have in same fz same number of words as of bits unless wordsize is 1
1745576;1512237352;asciilifeform;Indices is the root type for ~all~ possible indices, of anything.
1745577;1512237366;asciilifeform;diana_coman's observation would make sense for narrowing the type of FZBit_Index .
1745578;1512237403;asciilifeform;i did not do it because it adds runtime overhead ( the bounds get checked , and even in inner loops ) without preventing any kind of problem that can happen in reality
1745579;1512237457;diana_coman;k, thanks
1745580;1512237467;asciilifeform;a value of type FZBit_Index cannot be assigned a value greater than machineaddressspace/wordsize without 9,000 other things being unfathomably broken
1745581;1512237485;asciilifeform;now for the sad:
1745582;1512237501;asciilifeform;readers may recall that originally ffa was a 'generic unit'
1745583;1512237523;asciilifeform;and originally i even had autozeroing for FZ, and zeroing on going-out-of-stackframe.
1745584;1512237554;asciilifeform;the latter required finalization and for FZ to be a struct rather than bare array ( finalization massively bloated the binary; whereas structization massively bloated the src )
1745585;1512237567;asciilifeform;so it's gone.
1745586;1512237597;asciilifeform;the genericunit allowed a given running instance of ffa to know the actual ffawidth desired; and to have stricter checks on arguments
1745587;1512237619;asciilifeform;but it turns out that it is not possible to have a standalone static lib containing an uninstantiated generic, in adaworld
1745588;1512237633;asciilifeform;so generic -- gone. ( also shrinks the binary, a bit )
1745589;1512238091;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you do have a point , though, an ffa that is an ideal mathematical description of every relevant bound, would look slightly different from the ffa i actually have, that has to actually run on idjit cmachine iron in something like real time.
1745590;1512238134;asciilifeform;and if i were a haskellist and writing with an eye toward ~machine~ proof, rather than fits-in-head, i probably would have written one.
1745591;1512238158;asciilifeform;but there are already plenty of haskellists writing nonsense. asciilifeform wanted an actually usable fits-in-head item.
1745592;1512238205;asciilifeform;( 'ideal mathematically-sufficient' ffa would probably include solely egyptian multiplier, for example. )
1745593;1512238225;asciilifeform;and solely knuthian divider for the modulus op. etc.
1745594;1512238243;asciilifeform;( knuthian divider, if anyone forgets, is an exact inversion of egyptian multiplier. )
1745595;1512238385;asciilifeform;( btw nobody yet asked why ffa is now a standalone-built static lib, rather than as before , a set of sources to be simply dropped into other projects. answer is -- binary audit )
1745596;1512239100;mircea_popescu;nothing keeps anyone from taking source either
1745597;1512239189;asciilifeform;anyone naturally can cut up into whatever pieces. the issue is how is it structured on asciilifeform's desk.
1745598;1512239202;asciilifeform;for certain purposes it makes a permanent difference.
1745599;1512239234;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1745600;1512244041;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745589 <- makes sense
1745601;1512244041;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 18:08 asciilifeform: diana_coman: you do have a point , though, an ffa that is an ideal mathematical description of every relevant bound, would look slightly different from the ffa i actually have, that has to actually run on idjit cmachine iron in something like real time.
1745602;1512251501;mircea_popescu;in other old news, http://trilema.com/2017/a-better-man-than-i/ aka la grande belezza is a fucking fabulous film.
1745603;1512251509;mircea_popescu;it might actually be the best film ever made.
1745604;1512251884;asciilifeform;in other eagle eyes, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18380
1745605;1512251981;mircea_popescu;aren't blogs cool ? seriously now.
1745606;1512252013;mircea_popescu;!~later tell apeloyee hey, do you want a job working for minigame ?
1745607;1512252013;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1745608;1512252087;*;asciilifeform had nfi minigame had jobs etc
1745609;1512252156;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1745610;1512252167;mircea_popescu;i've been trying to hire a bunch of artists for what, 5 years now ?
1745611;1512252180;mircea_popescu;the one thing teh republic doesn't lack is jobs.
1745612;1512252216;asciilifeform;i suppose the word has >1 meaning
1745613;1512252297;mircea_popescu;like what ?
1745614;1512252323;asciilifeform;well we dun have so many, afaik, 'fix X, get Q btc' sort of job.
1745615;1512252359;mircea_popescu;we have tons. starting with "fix your tits, get 0.02 btc" and from there on.
1745616;1512252375;asciilifeform;other than the tits
1745617;1512252382;asciilifeform;do i know about any of this ?
1745618;1512252391;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745610
1745619;1512252391;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 22:02 mircea_popescu: i've been trying to hire a bunch of artists for what, 5 years now ?
1745620;1512252427;asciilifeform;artist auditions are different item than the one in the q where 'fix x... get..' neh
1745621;1512252505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you personally for instance http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 ; to quote from teh very boardroom of minigame earlier, " noa. evident ca idealu' ar fi fost ca tata asta sa fi fost gata facuta din 2016, cum discutasem initial cu stan. da'... sufletu'."
1745622;1512252505;a111;Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since the nsa consulting work for minigame is going to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea to have an ~ada~ tmsr crypto lib.
1745623;1512252525;mircea_popescu;ie, it'd have been nice to have this item done last year as per original discussions. but whatever.
1745624;1512252558;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's no difference. artists dun wanna work, ie ON TIME and TO SPEC and ON WHAT THEY'RE TOLD TO just like erryone else.
1745625;1512252653;asciilifeform;actually now that i think about it, mircea_popescu had a crypto bounty thing also
1745626;1512252673;asciilifeform;for symmetric ciphering
1745627;1512252689;*;asciilifeform can't turn up the link for some reason
1745628;1512252704;mircea_popescu;the amount of jobs awaiting workers exceeds the amount of availavble workers by a factor never before seen in human history ; not even during the saudi reign 20 years ago. not even in china. nowhere.
1745629;1512252759;mircea_popescu;take for instance http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1742032
1745630;1512252759;a111;Logged on 2017-11-22 11:41 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu I may have someone worth inviting to chan for interview in the coming days.  Most of the folks I know over there are primarily oral translators, so having to look around a bit.  Just got back yesterday -  BJ is a real shithole but the people are adorable, lots of good duck.   FYI -  'VPN AC' (Romanian) seems to be the only one working well/consistently behind the firewall (I've used many) and
1745631;1512252775;mircea_popescu;has it yet been A YEAR since the discussion of hiring a motherfcucking chinese office girl was tabled ?
1745632;1512252779;*;asciilifeform finally did dig up the first mention of proto-ffa in l0gz : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479552
1745633;1512252779;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 22:06 asciilifeform: i discovered that mainstream finite field libs are as complicated as they are largely because they insist on growable - and, ergo, heap-allocated - nums.
1745634;1512252779;mircea_popescu;where the fuck is the office girl ?
1745635;1512252781;mircea_popescu;etcetera.
1745636;1512252812;asciilifeform;!~seen RagnarDanneskjol
1745637;1512252813;jhvh1;asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 32 minutes, and 21 seconds ago:  Everbright Bank has, by far, the lowest entry barriers  for business or tourist visitors opening new accounts.
1745638;1512252826;mircea_popescu;and yes, i'd much rather pour a coupla bitcents into the ground instead of paying "hiring experts" etcetera. by very far.
1745639;1512252838;mircea_popescu;at least when i pour it into the ground, i know what i'm doing with it as i do it.
1745640;1512252863;mircea_popescu;consider this schmucktard : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1724165
1745641;1512252863;a111;Logged on 2017-10-11 20:40 BHopkins: I had to look up the current price, and the answer is yes :)
1745642;1512252905;asciilifeform;what about him
1745643;1512252910;mircea_popescu;nobody in his line of work has EVER made a bitcoin's worth in one year no matter what they did. but does he have enough sense to go... hmmm... i'll treat this as an advance, and use it to finance my supposedly useful work coming back with deliveries worth at least 10x that, because thaty's how useful i am, and see what happens
1745644;1512252929;mircea_popescu;so... no. white man is lazy and stupid, in whatever order. the problem's not the lack of jobs.
1745645;1512252948;mircea_popescu;the problem's the 3rd world whore's attitude, as described in that friday piece.
1745646;1512253002;mircea_popescu;but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY!
1745647;1512253022;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp... really... i can't do anything, not usefully, not well, not within pre-glacial timeframes, not... not..."
1745648;1512253023;mircea_popescu;riight,
1745649;1512253085;asciilifeform;glacial at least beats nuffin..
1745650;1512253089;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#comment-123721 << this stupid bitch, can be arsed to spam trilema by hand, can NOT be arsed to read anything. everyone, including the very last hopeless african in the throes of death by innanition imagines th
1745651;1512253089;mircea_popescu;emselves a process designer.
1745652;1512253095;asciilifeform;asciilifeform so far only glacial .
1745653;1512253101;mircea_popescu;ima, dontcha know, follow the funnel they constructed, like everyone's got an apple concept store.
1745654;1512253105;mircea_popescu;what, and write them emails ?
1745655;1512253115;mircea_popescu;why. who the fuck are they, and who the fuck am i, and who adapts to whom ?
1745656;1512253153;mircea_popescu;recall that schmuck with the french isp, which upon examination turned out to be 0% isp and 100% a vehicle for the inept vanities and worldviews of a few idle and overcomfortable schmucks ?
1745657;1512253162;asciilifeform;the cocks thing ?
1745658;1512253165;mircea_popescu;it's all that, all the way down.
1745659;1512253171;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, recently, some grenoble thing.
1745660;1512253185;asciilifeform;the one davout dug up ?
1745661;1512253190;mircea_popescu;or for that matter just as recently, some german dork.
1745662;1512253214;mircea_popescu;the dude with fucking options and self-determinations as to who he wants to work with.
1745663;1512253245;mircea_popescu;all of it, however wrapped, however excused, it's the same thing : we here in white man world are incapable of doing anything useful and don't wish to see why this'd make any difference.
1745664;1512253345;asciilifeform;possibly people shit their pants when they find that an entire field has to be burned and rebuilt
1745665;1512253376;mircea_popescu;so why should that sort of people eat ?
1745666;1512253436;asciilifeform;can't think of why.
1745667;1512253463;mircea_popescu;if you're rich enough to make your own decisions, good, make shit on your own time and in your own way, that's ACTUALLY VALUABLE, get paid via ownership share.
1745668;1512253485;mircea_popescu;if you're too poor to ownership share, need to be paid in cash, that means no options and no decisions and off to work whore.
1745669;1512253503;mircea_popescu;either way, low output means low value and dubious humanity. that's capitalism.
1745670;1512253507;mircea_popescu;and capitalism ain't going anywhere.
1745671;1512253687;*;asciilifeform points out, ftr, that he is only able to sometimes make-in-own-time by whoring out in saeculum.
1745672;1512253698;asciilifeform;like several other folx here.
1745673;1512253704;mircea_popescu;hey. erryone's living his own life.
1745674;1512253734;mircea_popescu;but you can't argue both ends. it can't be "oh, there's no jobs" and ALSO "i'm not doing the jobs". unemployment office kicks you out, and so does everyone else, for good reason.
1745675;1512253806;mircea_popescu;now, obviously in the particular case of "make crypto bit for eulora" the problem evidently is that such an item is more complex than what worker usually workers. this is true, but also it was your idea, blocking also that out.
1745676;1512253853;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform will submit ffa.rsa to be judged in mircea_popescu's symm cipher contest, supposing the latter is still running
1745677;1512253856;mircea_popescu;so... you wanna work self-managedly, and are rich enough to afford it, great! not rich enough to afford it... stfu. pick one and only one.
1745678;1512253875;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745663 <- how was that, "perfectly insignificant and incapable individuals, whose existence is only rendered possible through the high organization of civilized crowds..."
1745679;1512253875;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 22:20 mircea_popescu: all of it, however wrapped, however excused, it's the same thing : we here in white man world are incapable of doing anything useful and don't wish to see why this'd make any difference.
1745680;1512253900;mircea_popescu;diana_coman except here's the biter : the "civilized crowds" only ever survives (briefly) as an extraction engine.
1745681;1512253917;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE india credited london, THEREFORE the ~pretense~, idle and basless, of british empire.
1745682;1512253964;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE  http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-103.0-103.28 THEREFORE "us empire"
1745683;1512253970;diana_coman;hm, by same token life only ever survives (briefly) as an extraction engine, what of it
1745684;1512253983;mircea_popescu;(anyone remember the derpage early 2000s in the same venues that these days discuss "toxic facts" and "russian hackers" ?)
1745685;1512254004;mircea_popescu;diana_coman that the republic is the only economically stable thing -- the extraction of the smart.
1745686;1512254012;mircea_popescu;everything else... just trying to. lasts while it lasts.
1745687;1512254072;mircea_popescu;there's no fundamental reason for nicaraguan working abroad to save in dollars ; there was no fundamental reason for indian to think his kid must go to school in london. smoke and mirrors, and those are terrible basis for one's life
1745688;1512254094;asciilifeform;i thought it was dollars because 'best horse in glue factory'
1745689;1512254105;mircea_popescu;in the specific sense that by the time "you figure it out" they're gone. today, everyone wants to go to college. today it's too late to go to college. everyone wants a 401k ? guess what... too late to. and so on.
1745690;1512254129;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing about the usd makes it best. no, it's dollars for the same reason "eat at mcdonalds" -- worst horse in glue factory.
1745691;1512254162;asciilifeform;at one time was some sort of optimum between 'inflates slowly' and 'gettable', neh
1745692;1512254181;mircea_popescu;by the time the plebs figure out "where the party is", the party just moved.
1745693;1512254189;mircea_popescu;this is how earth has worked for 5k+ years, no exceptions known.
1745694;1512254206;mircea_popescu;the one you're looking at, whatever it may be, won't turn out to be the exception, either.
1745695;1512254213;asciilifeform;lol how else. who wants a party full of everyone.
1745696;1512254218;mircea_popescu;quite.
1745697;1512254233;mircea_popescu;so this "civilized crowds" thing is ~suicide.
1745698;1512254250;mircea_popescu;yes, were you living in the time of your parents, the strategy you came up with would have worked. you're not.
1745699;1512254262;mircea_popescu;were the ww2 generals fighting ww1, they'd have ALL been great military minds
1745700;1512254265;mircea_popescu;but... they weren't.
1745701;1512254268;diana_coman;well, the *what* it extracts is of course much more telling of what the thing is to start with; as for the reasons there... reason was as far as I understand it "they are better than us because they defeated us", can't say it's obviously "smoke and mirror"
1745702;1512254269;asciilifeform;i'll admit that i'm not quite sure what the opposing argument, that mircea_popescu is bulldozing, exactly was
1745703;1512254295;asciilifeform;( it's a quality bulldozing. but of what exactly. )
1745704;1512254306;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform natural indolence and psychological comfort seeking, i guess. unspoken because defensive.
1745705;1512254352;mircea_popescu;diana_coman point isn't that it extracts, point is that it doesn't, not really. that's what i'm saying, that the whole "whose existence is only rendered possible through the high organization of civilized crowds" is really VERY vulnerable, because the high organization doesn't ACTUALLY cause or control the extraction.
1745706;1512254362;mircea_popescu;it's 100% "making the sun raise" by gesturing wildly at 5:15 am
1745707;1512254367;mircea_popescu;rise*
1745708;1512254391;mircea_popescu;which is why the british empire COULDNT prevent its own demise. nor the current one. nor any other "highly organized civilised crowd".
1745709;1512254439;mircea_popescu;the lido gets sanded. this is not up to venice to prevent. end of story. trying to live off civilization is exactly like trying to live off fishing, or off playing double-or-nothing at the casino.
1745710;1512254449;mircea_popescu;bitter poverty is the only certain result.
1745711;1512254489;mircea_popescu;(really, nobody ever wonders how come the fishermen are always the poorest demographic ? the sea is so very rich!)
1745712;1512254500;diana_coman;there was no counter-argument there; those were scum; the point was simply that this sort of scum is alive for longer than it would be if not for the warm/comfy "crowd"
1745713;1512254509;mircea_popescu;that's for sure.
1745714;1512254610;diana_coman;and moreover, that was said in 1898, not as if it's new or anything
1745715;1512254642;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1745716;1512254717;diana_coman;re not really extracts - I guess it's fair to say it's not "extracts" but rather "charms out of" and that certainly makes some sense; although it's totally unclear how it went from conquering actively to charming passively
1745717;1512254723;asciilifeform;so why fisherman poor? maybe sea not so rich ?
1745718;1512254835;mircea_popescu;diana_coman it never went. see... take say the early greek wars. those dudes did essentially a society game : the men stripped and cockwrestled on a field on a sunday. the "defeat" of the defeated was a two phase game. phase 1, where their line broke. phase 2, most important, where THEIR WOMEN spread out for THE OTHER GUYS. because fuck you loser. exactly how college football worked when it worked, you mean means you get the
1745719;1512254835;mircea_popescu;other team's cheerleader bus, au naturel. exactly what teh airmen meant by "tailhookers all weather attack" fliers dumped on area colleges.
1745720;1512254843;mircea_popescu;it always was charming.
1745721;1512254865;mircea_popescu;that's the problem with "modern war", that its charming quality of yore became quite grotesque.
1745722;1512254880;mircea_popescu;yet the function remained, half the kids born in berlin 1946 were russian.
1745723;1512254895;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the sea is rich ; but the fisherman's stuck playing a loser game.
1745724;1512254910;mircea_popescu;the problkem is this : your fishing today is in no way improved by your fishing yesterday.
1745725;1512254939;mircea_popescu;because i wrote all those trilema articles, when i sit down to write an article today, i copme up with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1744980
1745726;1512254939;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 18:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1744952 << mega-piece btw
1745727;1512254957;mircea_popescu;every gram of sweat off my brow, every keystroke magnified thousandfold by the passive value of accumulated history.
1745728;1512254992;mircea_popescu;very easy to write trilema when you've been writing trilema ; fucking hard to be a fisherman when you've been a fisherman. hence http://trilema.com/2012/la-terra-trema/
1745729;1512255071;mircea_popescu;the discussion re poker, EXACTLY same thing. once the buildup went away... no further point to playing.
1745730;1512255089;mircea_popescu;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694597 )
1745731;1512255089;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 16:51 mircea_popescu: (this point, in either "intern can progress" or "sit in forum and access meaning" presentation, is the fundamental mechanism of both "rounders" and that "poolhall junkies" cheapo rehack of it : that the dude playing can decide the girl's future, a degree of magnitude above her own capacity. take that away -- it's not worth doing. and you sure as fuck ain't meeting the head of ny law firm socially, and play $X with him so he g
1745732;1512255560;mircea_popescu;and that is what it fucking means, that opportunity loss is unevaluable. had i not written http://trilema.com/2010/daca-tot-ce-poti-face-in-viata-asta/ in 2010, i couldn't have well written http://trilema.com/2016/and-now-the-story-has-an-ending/ in 2016 ; and without that in turn the quoted piece. you can't summon these up on the spot when you need them, literally cant, just like wolf can't physically sharpen his teeth in th
1745733;1512255560;mircea_popescu;e split-second right before fight, there's not enough brain in any skull that ever passed the woman's middle to manage such ample feats. some try, but why should i take amphetamine today to compensate for having been lazy a decade ago ?
1745734;1512255593;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, why did i write the original ? i had nfi when i did what the future'd be like. SURELY it was no possible perception of value. but this is merely an indication of just how fucking valuable the whole thing is, if it builds meaning upon itself in a manner that defies imagination.
1745735;1512255783;mircea_popescu;actually, re-reading the comments i know why i wrote it. because i didn't like the implication that "so what if liberalizing drugs leads to truck drivers being forced to meth by economic pressure, fuck them, they're truck drivers". the idea being that you never know who the truck driver is.
1745736;1512258586;BingoBoingo; very easy to write trilema when you've been writing trilema ; fucking hard to be a fisherman when you've been a fisherman. hence http://trilema.com/2012/la-terra-trema/ << Mega film, need to rewatch
1745737;1512258611;mircea_popescu;ever seen il scopone scientifico ?
1745738;1512258622;BingoBoingo;Not yet that I remember
1745739;1512258637;mircea_popescu;bette davis is this old woman playing cards with ghetto italians (sordi and i think mangano  ?)
1745740;1512258672;mircea_popescu;yeah, it was her. perfect chick for the role, basically subsistence prostitute in ww2 italy. then ended up in cinecitta.
1745741;1512258718;BingoBoingo; other team's cheerleader bus, au naturel. exactly what teh airmen meant by "tailhookers all weather attack" fliers dumped on area colleges. << An appeal of hanging out with the old drunks in recovery is that their time drinking often seems a sort of cultural cosmoline.
1745742;1512258746;mircea_popescu;howssat ?
1745743;1512258825;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, imdb on lollobrigida : "She was the daughter of a furniture manufacturer, and grew up in the pictorial mountain village."
1745744;1512258880;BingoBoingo;Well, appears when the booze is preventing new memory formation you get a lot of "WTF? Why no butt patting the entertainment at work anymore"
1745745;1512258898;mircea_popescu;a
1745746;1512258901;BingoBoingo;And "Where my country gone" laments
1745747;1512258998;BingoBoingo;Also, Trump insufficiency syndrome
1745748;1512259598;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#footnote_1_54763 << Ah, this is such a reminder of the datacenter search. Particularly in Peru and SE Asia
1745749;1512264443;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1745750;1512264448;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10891.59, vol: 8946.79513240 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10858.0, vol: 49925.80321512 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10846.0, vol: 2584.39676055 | Volume-weighted last average: 10862.3853444
1745751;1512264546;BingoBoingo;Anyone want to put a bet against one bitcent for "Bitcoin passes 12500 (per '!~ticker --market all' VWLA) while I am enroute from StL to Montevideo
1745752;1512266990;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aite.
1745753;1512269341;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18384
1745754;1512269837;mod6;yeah, thx for msg'ing back; indeed, his pastes are gone!?
1745755;1512269927;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform better error message is "please use p.bvulpes, your pastes vanished"
1745756;1512285694;mats;http://www.calexium.com/en/blog/entry/45-ports-network-appliance-with-pc-engines-apu-and-deloc-network-card-into-cxm-case1blk-case.html
1745757;1512285959;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Cool, barring any problems the transit time will be ~24 hours
1745758;1512286653;BingoBoingo;In other BAWWW https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/12/03/0419248/massive-financial-aid-data-breach-proves-stanford-lied-for-years-to-mbas
1745759;1512292415;mircea_popescu;lol
1745760;1512295756;mircea_popescu;ah, speaking of http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/ & http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745184 : https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/banul-paralel/ (the principal, though by now kinda defunded, usg.dos tool in .ro).
1745761;1512295756;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 22:42 mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, usg.state's main asset in romania looks well headed to jail. kovesi (special "anti-corruption prosecutor") lied about meeting various politicians (as part of usg embassy-directed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743878 scandal).
1745762;1512295835;mircea_popescu;"investigative" in the sense of "here's half the picture, let's hope together that a) you're not smart enough to understand the elements it's constructed out of are meaningless and b) the areas it doesn't cover are meaningful". basically, the EXACT nonsense as in "wash dc pizzeria scandal"/"#metoo" : free association game.
1745763;1512301441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/stenograma-sedintei-comitetului-politic-executiv-al-cc-al-pcr-din-ziua-de-11-octombrie-1977-translated/ << check out what i found for you!
1745764;1512301762;mircea_popescu;and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739096 : it's my recollection that when i released mp-wp, the deal was somebody picks it up and genesises it. i dun recall right off who, was it you shinohai ? or ben_vulpes ?
1745765;1512301762;a111;Logged on 2017-11-15 18:19 phf: manual meaning that i see a vpatch in any random place, i post it (obviously it benefits me, more content etc.)
1745766;1512301807;mircea_popescu;now i want to link to the thing in this article and... where do i link
1745767;1512306877;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/ << Trilema - Let's revisit the Google-is-irrelevant discussion.
1745768;1512311470;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745756 << this is the right idea, but for some inexplicable reason is castrated -- why only half-length 1U, and holds 2 boards, not 4 ?!
1745769;1512311470;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 07:21 mats: http://www.calexium.com/en/blog/entry/45-ports-network-appliance-with-pc-engines-apu-and-deloc-network-card-into-cxm-case1blk-case.html
1745770;1512311648;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745755 << it was a formatting issue, and he repasted with p.bvulpes -- but the unfortunate bit is that they, too, will vanish, and the comment becomes useless in <1week unless i manually archive'em
1745771;1512311648;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 02:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform better error message is "please use p.bvulpes, your pastes vanished"
1745772;1512311670;asciilifeform;pastetrons intrinsically suck.
1745773;1512312033;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745758 << will run into solid wall of unhappening, just like the climate crapola, podesta, etc
1745774;1512312033;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 07:37 BingoBoingo: In other BAWWW https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/12/03/0419248/massive-financial-aid-data-breach-proves-stanford-lied-for-years-to-mbas
1745775;1512312095;asciilifeform;'only terrorist conspiracytheorists, toxicfacts' etc.
1745776;1512312512;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745760 >> here's a bonus mindfuck, mircea_popescu :
1745777;1512312512;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 10:09 mircea_popescu: ah, speaking of http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/ & http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745184 : https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/banul-paralel/ (the principal, though by now kinda defunded, usg.dos tool in .ro).
1745778;1512312642;asciilifeform;their logo: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/552874632408076290/3phOV2Az.jpeg >>>>> <<<< https://www.doyouremember.co.uk/uploads/raw-1336594143.jpg
1745779;1512312672;asciilifeform;on right hand -- 'simon', american children's toy where coloured lights blink and kid tries to repeat the sequence
1745780;1512312753;asciilifeform;could, certainly, be a case of 'there are only so-many cheapo clip arts'. but also not a bad 'subconscious confession' of muppetry, alternatively.
1745781;1512312881;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745762 << the pizzeria people didn't do anything that, e.g., bush's 'wmd' people didn't do. only diff is that one did it while inca emperor, and demolished a good chunk of whole continent, while other -- did it while penniless hobos, and perforated a roof in an old house.
1745782;1512312881;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 10:10 mircea_popescu: "investigative" in the sense of "here's half the picture, let's hope together that a) you're not smart enough to understand the elements it's constructed out of are meaningless and b) the areas it doesn't cover are meaningful". basically, the EXACT nonsense as in "wash dc pizzeria scandal"/"#metoo" : free association game.
1745783;1512313012;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745763 << my current reading of the shoemaker is that he was some combo of senility and 'tilt' (being under attack from ~all angles by the empire, and unable to do much of anything in the way of genuine push-back )
1745784;1512313012;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 11:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/stenograma-sedintei-comitetului-politic-executiv-al-cc-al-pcr-din-ziua-de-11-octombrie-1977-translated/ << check out what i found for you!
1745785;1512313733;asciilifeform;but meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18388
1745786;1512314686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty lulzy, yes.
1745787;1512314694;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure it's not deliberate, by this point.
1745788;1512314714;mircea_popescu;not all intelligent people find the republic. some that don't... "troll" the imbecile public, ie, sopirla.
1745789;1512314796;asciilifeform;that'd be gut-bustingly lulzy. 'simon sayz!111'
1745790;1512314800;mircea_popescu;aha
1745791;1512315206;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745772 << well, yes, as indirection layer above blog comment. nfi why one'd do that instread of just putting the material in a blockquote.
1745792;1512315206;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 14:34 asciilifeform: pastetrons intrinsically suck.
1745793;1512315232;mircea_popescu;but the good news is you can config your blogotron to just suck out pastes and put them in blockquotes itself. tho i've not had mp-wp do this
1745794;1512315274;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745775 << honestly, i don't see what the secret even is. "stanford dares to elitism" ?
1745795;1512315274;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 14:41 asciilifeform: 'only terrorist conspiracytheorists, toxicfacts' etc.
1745796;1512315297;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would standford give a dumb neet as much as a length of string "because they need it" ? let them need from their fucking mother / community college.
1745797;1512315527;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745783 << my read is that he was genuine lee kuan yew, except not nearly as intelligent (nor fortunate) ; eventually collapsed under the pressure of the pointless maggot herd wanting what it wants rather than what it needs aka "democracy".
1745798;1512315527;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 14:56 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745763 << my current reading of the shoemaker is that he was some combo of senility and 'tilt' (being under attack from ~all angles by the empire, and unable to do much of anything in the way of genuine push-back )
1745799;1512315530;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the seekrit, as i understand, is that they were running a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742441 scheme, but in fact were recruiting folx who already ~had~ 'goodjerbs'
1745800;1512315530;a111;Logged on 2017-11-23 15:26 mircea_popescu: the only fucking reason, point and selling characteristic of anglo college is "making money", and there's no quantum below 1 million dollars.
1745801;1512315545;mircea_popescu;doh. how else would you have them do it ?
1745802;1512315548;mircea_popescu;ofcoursetheywere.
1745803;1512315596;asciilifeform;there's also the simpler alternative, which i originally assumed they use -- simply pulling 'employability' stats out of thin air
1745804;1512315637;mircea_popescu;nah, the amusing thing about the empire of thin air is that ~everything is "justified". it's never "here's some hot air", it's always "here's two steps of correct deductions based on the 3rd on thin air"
1745805;1512315660;asciilifeform;lolaha, 'only Dumb Orcs pull ~straight~ from thin air!11'
1745806;1512315699;mircea_popescu;i dunno what the difference they imagine is
1745807;1512315719;mircea_popescu;"oh, the sort of idiot reading this only goes 3 nodes deep, we make 4 nodes deep nonsense, 100% proof!"
1745808;1512315726;mircea_popescu;i guess that's why the appeal of google-ish "ai".
1745809;1512315739;mircea_popescu;"from experience, we want intelligence that's not too intelligent"
1745810;1512321114;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they operate somewhat like malware obfuscators -- idea, seems, is not to make the sham impenetrable ( this is not physically possible, typically ) but to make the effort of getting to the bottom of every possible idiocy, -ev.
1745811;1512321151;asciilifeform;which somehow (dun ask me) is intended to make folx swallow the crock of shit , rather than wanting to burn whole edifice down ? nfi.
1745812;1512322270;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into the issue of vpatch-ing binaries that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's that it's not clear how to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase
1745813;1512322270;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 11:49 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739096 : it's my recollection that when i released mp-wp, the deal was somebody picks it up and genesises it. i dun recall right off who, was it you shinohai ? or ben_vulpes ?
1745814;1512322320;phf;i think someone was suggesting converting all the png's and gif's into svg, for example, and other like hacks
1745815;1512322433;asciilifeform;phf: recall how i did it in fg.
1745816;1512322477;asciilifeform;( it's a somewhat unsatisfying answer, but afaik the only general-purpose pill to date )
1745817;1512322516;phf;right, that might work, a tar xf into the same vpatch'ed structure (since you need to place those artifacts just right)
1745818;1512324061;asciilifeform;hashing a la fg does the basic job, of nailing the bins down along with everythingelse
1745819;1512328822;phf;phk wrote a get off my lawn rant about cathedral vs. bazaar http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2349257 which stirred up the hamsters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4407188 favorite quote from thread “I don't think the appeal to authority fallacy will fly here. We are all too smart for that.”
1745820;1512329151;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1745821;1512329156;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11712.5, vol: 7833.48155863 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11722.0, vol: 50761.66382973 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11650.0, vol: 2958.20428703 | Volume-weighted last average: 11717.3307369
1745822;1512330249;asciilifeform;what's phk
1745823;1512330308;asciilifeform;aaa author
1745824;1512330310;asciilifeform;'Needless to say, this is more than most programmers would ever want to put up with, even if they had the skill, so the input files for autoconf happen by copy and paste, often hiding behind increasingly bloated standard macros covering "standard tests" such as those mentioned earlier, which look for compatibility problems not seen in the past 20 years'
1745825;1512330316;asciilifeform;!#s autoconf
1745826;1512330316;a111;34 results for "autoconf", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=autoconf
1745827;1512330319;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1745828;1512330373;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637016 << e.g. thread.
1745829;1512330373;a111;Logged on 2017-04-04 15:43 asciilifeform: the far bigger boojum is that ~95% of the tarballs include megabytes of autoconf liquishit.
1745830;1512330447;asciilifeform;'This is probably also why libtool's configure probes no fewer than 26 different names for the Fortran compiler my system does not have, and then spends another 26 tests to find out if each of these nonexistent Fortran compilers supports the -g option.
1745831;1512330451;asciilifeform;That is the sorry reality of the bazaar Raymond praised in his book: a pile of old festering hacks, endlessly copied and pasted by a clueless generation of IT "professionals" who wouldn't recognize sound IT architecture if you hit them over the head with it.'
1745832;1512330455;asciilifeform;whole thing notbad.jpg.
1745833;1512330597;phf;apparently he also argues for fits in head as the only proper measure elsewhere, but i can't find the source of quote (possibly person who implied it is a log reader, and just reused the variety speak)
1745834;1512332719;shinohai;http://oglaf.com/andrology/
1745835;1512333256;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/pinkeye/
1745836;1512333476;asciilifeform;' Sam Leffler's graphics/libtiff is one of the 122 packages on the road to www/firefox, yet the resulting Firefox browser does not render TIFF images. For reasons I have not tried to uncover, 10 of the 122 packages need Perl and seven need Python; one of them, devel/glib20, needs both languages for reasons I cannot even imagine.'
1745837;1512333768;jurov;What does the "beautiful cathedral of unix" that he uses in a contrast, mean?
1745838;1512333806;jurov;Surely not pervasive use of gets() and "when it segfaults when passed too long line, it's user's fault"?
1745839;1512333860;asciilifeform;jurov: prolly sysv
1745840;1512333889;asciilifeform;and to d00d who spent entire working life with piles of shit, a small and dried up one is moarbeautiful than a gigantic and steaming pile
1745841;1512333932;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633301 and elsewhere )
1745842;1512333932;a111;Logged on 2017-03-28 17:54 asciilifeform: how did it go, 'man who has not read sysv, is illiterate; man who has read nothing but sysv, is also illiterate' (or was it marx..)
1745843;1512333939;jurov;neither deserves to be called cathedral...
1745844;1512333972;jurov;or if, then msdos was even more a cathedral!
1745845;1512333992;BingoBoingo;Plenty of shitty cathedrals out there, not like we are talking Basillica or anything
1745846;1512334072;asciilifeform;jurov: term is an esrism, referring to items made with fuhrerprinzip; as opposed to amorphous liquishit from herd
1745847;1512334095;asciilifeform;( granted esr tried to spin it in opposite direction, misleading the easily mislead )
1745848;1512334596;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1745849;1512334598;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 497425 | Current Difficulty: 1.347001430558E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 497951 | Next Difficulty In: 526 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1745850;1512334753;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1745851;1512334769;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11370.0, vol: 9391.96352467 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11394.0, vol: 3377.78197594 | Volume-weighted last average: 11376.3483464
1745852;1512335090;BingoBoingo;Well, if this holds up 12500 could be passed when I am in transit
1745853;1512335738;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's interesting re this particular number
1745854;1512336244;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745811 << quite. and it works especially well on idiots, which is to say agents devoid of examinatory capacity. the higher your subjective cost per mile "walked", the more feasible imperial rationalization is.
1745855;1512336244;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 17:12 asciilifeform: which somehow (dun ask me) is intended to make folx swallow the crock of shit , rather than wanting to burn whole edifice down ? nfi.
1745856;1512336278;mircea_popescu;now guess why colleges burned down "spontaneously" post http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#footnote_6_76183
1745857;1512336304;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's the number the gut feeling indicator had a hunch on
1745858;1512336318;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745812 << afaik this has been resolved as for eg FG original / future bioses etc.
1745859;1512336318;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 17:31 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into the issue of vpatch-ing binaries that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's that it's not clear how to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase
1745860;1512336377;mircea_popescu;also afaik the pngs etc are 100% within ~the theme~ which was not originally bundled.
1745861;1512336400;mircea_popescu;so full excision also acceptable approach. tbh i dun recall this ever having been the problem.
1745862;1512336443;mircea_popescu;“I don't think the appeal to authority fallacy will fly here. We are all too smart for that.” << bwahahaha. two smart by half, the tards.
1745863;1512336542;mircea_popescu;phf i don't understand the dating scheme involved. page says august 15, 2012, text refers to 2001 as "13 years ago" (so was it 2014 ?) and you present it as an event that just happened ? which is it ?
1745864;1512336628;mircea_popescu;but otherwise yes, the "bazaar" utter practical failure and completly irredemable theoretical idiocy is an established point.
1745865;1512336650;asciilifeform;looks like an oldie yea
1745866;1512336656;asciilifeform;i assumed was intentional
1745867;1512336704;asciilifeform;the utter and complete lunacy of 'bazaar' was obvious in 2012. and 2001. and 12, and 1, and there's whole motherfucking biblical parable re the tower etc
1745868;1512336761;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745837 << cp/m ? i can't begin to imagine what.
1745869;1512336761;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 20:42 jurov: What does the "beautiful cathedral of unix" that he uses in a contrast, mean?
1745870;1512336763;mircea_popescu;unix never worked.
1745871;1512336815;mircea_popescu;people such as here present will claim that bolix or something like that worked, but i have my reservations. and in any case lispm wasn't "unix", though cathedral alright.
1745872;1512336816;asciilifeform;the original contrast turd was the now-forgotten 'multics'
1745873;1512336853;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform multics was unix ?!
1745874;1512336873;asciilifeform;nope
1745875;1512336888;mircea_popescu;1964 ? how far back can this go
1745876;1512336889;asciilifeform;contrast turd, in the heads of the 'unix was beautiful' people
1745877;1512336900;mircea_popescu;but i mean... why not straight to analogics.
1745878;1512336916;asciilifeform;why not to spear and bear skin lol
1745879;1512336931;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1380083 << most bestest unix.
1745880;1512336931;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 19:50 asciilifeform: when you push it, the word правильно (CORRECT)
1745881;1512336941;asciilifeform;speaking here of items that actually stood as competitors, for however long
1745882;1512336978;asciilifeform;compare tanks from same war, not from 50yr apart, similarly.
1745883;1512337005;mircea_popescu;well, multics (64), cp/m (74), unix (80s), linux/windows (90s) etc.
1745884;1512337055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to make the matchbox 'computer' wholly unixlike, it ought to occasionally fail to open
1745885;1512337063;asciilifeform;for no detectable reason
1745886;1512337083;mircea_popescu;anyway, i dun personally see the link between unix and multics beyond "well, thompson and ritchie!!"
1745887;1512337094;asciilifeform;( and sometimes snap closed mid-open, etc )
1745888;1512337167;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: multics, at least mythologically, was the Officially Blessed Liquishit against which t & r pushed back , initially in their spare time
1745889;1512337181;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1745890;1512337183;asciilifeform;on written-off pdp, etc.
1745891;1512337206;mircea_popescu;but still. at least cp/m had a rivalry with dos vaguely reminescent of linux/windoze thing
1745892;1512337236;mircea_popescu;architecturally what's the multics / unics connection ? that both had a shell ?
1745893;1512337241;asciilifeform;hard to describe the contest as any kind of actual contest after the official usg, err, ibm, blessing of microshit
1745894;1512337250;asciilifeform;( in re cp/m vs dos )
1745895;1512337263;mircea_popescu;and similarily in the 90s.
1745896;1512337313;phf;asciilifeform: "present as just happened" was unintentional, but otherwise that sounds about right, 2012 publication, hackernews thread is from roughly the same time
1745897;1512337324;phf;s/asciilifeform/mircea_popescu/
1745898;1512337350;asciilifeform;in '90s microshit rode the proverbial zundapp-with-mg-sidecar around the killing field, finishing off the wounded.
1745899;1512337359;mircea_popescu;phf but how could it have been published in 2012 if the author thinks it was written in 2014 ?
1745900;1512337442;mircea_popescu;anyway. i guess double fencepost errors are also possible.
1745901;1512337468;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745852 good luck to ye.
1745902;1512337468;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 21:04 BingoBoingo: Well, if this holds up 12500 could be passed when I am in transit
1745903;1512337483;phf;mircea_popescu: it's also possible that he's referring to the original publication of esr's essay, that predated the book by couple of years
1745904;1512337501;mircea_popescu;my first thought, except he says the year, 2001.
1745905;1512337582;phf;i wonder if that bit was added by the editors
1745906;1512337620;mircea_popescu;if you strike the parens he still says "when book"
1745907;1512337647;phf;well, the book was published in 99!
1745908;1512337656;mircea_popescu;hm.
1745909;1512337671;mircea_popescu;i thought it was 2000
1745910;1512337682;asciilifeform;( in re multics, for dedicated archaeologist : http://multicians.org/simulator.html )
1745911;1512337699;phf;https://web.archive.org/web/20030424100429/http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/
1745912;1512337701;mircea_popescu;ah right you are, 99.
1745913;1512337720;mircea_popescu;alright then that clears that.
1745914;1512337789;phf;pantsuit publishing doesn't standup to tmsr rigorous and requires certain amount of archeology to get straight
1745915;1512337858;mircea_popescu;phf what scares me most is what the man who seems to appreciate f p brooks also thinks the "tricks of the trade" are, to verbatim, "test-restoring backups, scripting operating-system installs, version control, etc".
1745916;1512337886;mircea_popescu;whenever i read stuff these people (1990s era graybeards) have to say i always get a feeling of that mercedes-riding-priest.
1745917;1512337889;mircea_popescu;you know the story ?
1745918;1512337907;phf;hehe, no
1745919;1512337961;mircea_popescu;year is 1990s and guy has a mercedes, unseen car in eastern lands. a priest is hitchhiking, guy stops, priest goes in.
1745920;1512337990;mircea_popescu;priest wants to know what is that thing on the hood ? and guy explains slyly that "well, this is a german car, you know, they're a warlike people. so you aim pedestrians with that and well..."
1745921;1512338012;mircea_popescu;then there's a pedestrian, and the guy, wanting to put a little meat behind his joke, sorta drives the car towards him and steers away at the last minute
1745922;1512338028;mircea_popescu;much to his shock and horror, the rearview mirror shows brains and guts scattered everywhere
1745923;1512338051;mircea_popescu;the priest, very calmly, "eh, you can fuck your germans ; had i not opened my door you'd have missed him."
1745924;1512338112;mircea_popescu;kinda same with p-h kamp (and all the rest of them at that) : hurr durr design, hurr durr thought provoking, herp-derp scripted os-reinstall. nigga... are you a priest or aren't you ?
1745925;1512338155;mircea_popescu;dem thoughts dun really seem all that provoked, what can i say.
1745926;1512338225;phf;heh, right
1745927;1512338230;mircea_popescu;aaanyways.
1745928;1512338244;phf;well, the bar is set very low
1745929;1512338252;asciilifeform;the point re how a build script taking up moar bytes than a ~bloated~ os took up in 1980s, does not require a genius, to make
1745930;1512338257;mircea_popescu;looks more like out and out schizophrenia.
1745931;1512338288;asciilifeform;there's a certain level of schizo that goes with the profession
1745932;1512338300;asciilifeform;same folx do not program for decades.
1745933;1512338301;mircea_popescu;no item where certain degree of schizo goes can be called profession.
1745934;1512338349;asciilifeform;prolly doomed to become a caste ( in the model of the hindu shit-shoveling-with-bare-hands folx ) , as observed by neal stephenson and others.
1745935;1512338376;mircea_popescu;now THAT is always & guaranteed "certain degree of believe not what your eyes show you but what the book tells you"
1745936;1512338377;asciilifeform;work that ruins the worker for the company of civilized people, has that effect.
1745937;1512338388;mircea_popescu;quite so, yes.
1745938;1512338466;mircea_popescu;incidentally, do we agree that o'reilly pushing esr idiocy ("bazaar") is responsible for 2001 bubble in the same way aol is responsible for 1993 and lehman for 2007 ?
1745939;1512338504;phf;i'm pretty sure we had that in thread
1745940;1512338519;mircea_popescu;ah did we ? kthen
1745941;1512338545;phf;actually, no, we were talking about o'reilly and web 2.0
1745942;1512338554;mircea_popescu;different idiocy.
1745943;1512338587;mircea_popescu;in fact, o'reilly has the unique distinction of having produced more crap per unit useful than ~everything known to man, including the anglican church, the various other protestants and so on
1745944;1512338595;mircea_popescu;big deal to manage to be dumber than calvin.
1745945;1512338628;asciilifeform;dunno that it makes sense to give any particular printolade-bubble overseer the distinction of a name and attributed agency. it's not unlike pinning the black plague on a particular, named rat
1745946;1512338681;phf;it's a particularly big fucking rat
1745947;1512338700;mircea_popescu;more importantly, it's a self-advertising rat.
1745948;1512338792;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, he was at the fortefront of the whole "object oriented" "revolution" also, wasn't he.
1745949;1512338800;phf;i missed a point re phk though. is the idea that "scripted os-reinstall" is a bad idea, or that it's insufficient?
1745950;1512338812;mircea_popescu;dumb fucking nonsense, a good fit for maybe 1% of cases presented as california magical weight loss cure.
1745951;1512338825;mircea_popescu;phf why would my os ever need to be reinstalled ?
1745952;1512338835;mircea_popescu;i don't reinstall my toilet, or my stove, or my car.
1745953;1512338840;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would i!
1745954;1512338861;mircea_popescu;what sort of piece of shit os is this whereby system breakage to the level where bsod is possible!
1745955;1512338882;mircea_popescu;actually, let me rephrase : how could an item that can need reinstalling be called an os ?
1745956;1512338904;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oop-circa-1990s was a bastardization of 1970s-era narrowly domained ( cad, a few other ) item , picked specifically with 'this is promising for deskilling programming' item
1745957;1512338914;mircea_popescu;evidently, the thing that does THE REINSTALLING is the os.
1745958;1512338920;mircea_popescu;ie, hand-cranked os ffs.
1745959;1512338924;asciilifeform;idea being explicitly anti- fitsinhead, i.e. 'make program behave like ensemble of physical objects'
1745960;1512338930;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i know.
1745961;1512338942;mircea_popescu;tbh, oreilly was minnow back when oop started, just tried to wave a ride.
1745962;1512339003;phf;in the original it's "os install", the idea is automatic instead of manual provisioning. we practice it here
1745963;1512339038;mircea_popescu;phf i can't read it like that in the context of the three items that he offers as his tools of the trade.
1745964;1512339057;mircea_popescu;if i were trying to teach the "greenhorns" in 1990s how to survive, i'd make them read eg knuth. literate programming. stuff.
1745965;1512339065;mircea_popescu;wtf is this shit.
1745966;1512339133;mircea_popescu;i can't read it any other way than "my racing toolkit consists of duct tape, cyanoacrylate, and just-add-water wheel assemblages to be bolted down on any 2x2 inch flat surface you might wish".
1745967;1512339153;mircea_popescu;now, it's true we use superglue on skin tears, but it's not true that such nonsense as that described can be a racing toolkit.
1745968;1512339209;mircea_popescu;even leaving the particulars aside, what you teach greenhorns is to BE LESS EXCITED!!! not "be less responsible".
1745969;1512339394;phf;right, i think perhaps the problem of this particular turn of phrase, is that he can't actually name what makes him a better than average programmer (like ascii's fits in head, or Principles, or), so he's reduced to a shortcut that is insufficient
1745970;1512339407;mircea_popescu;but you see how this is EXACTLY the same problem ?
1745971;1512339427;mircea_popescu;i ~can~ name what makes me better in any professional field ffs. who can't ? how couldn't you, if it is indeed professional field!
1745972;1512339598;phf;despite the references to brooks, nobody's actually practicing what brooks advocated, so the name and the books are reduced to a charm. yet another cargo cult
1745973;1512339674;mircea_popescu;somehow he manages to write that AND NOT at the same time throw an error. "wait... i... can't actually explain this ?!"
1745974;1512339683;mircea_popescu;shit happens to me ALL! THE! TIME!!!! writing trilema pieces.
1745975;1512339719;mircea_popescu;how does he manages to avoid the exception, you know ? "this enumeration... it doesn't work... what am i actually talking about ?"
1745976;1512339929;phf;hmm hmm
1745977;1512339947;mircea_popescu;i can't be the only one dedicated enough to the craft to actually be bothered by such.
1745978;1512340324;phf;do you see it rationally and then deconstruct it, or do you first experience the wrongness and then seek the source of it? because if it's the first one, then i'm possible lacking necessary tools, but if it's the second, then i just don't always get to the seeking out the source part
1745979;1512340371;mircea_popescu;both happen.
1745980;1512340417;mircea_popescu;the second is more than half tyhe time how trilema articles end up so long, those that do -- there was a shorter thing there that didn't hold, but for expressive rather than fundamentalreasons.
1745981;1512340451;mircea_popescu;the first is how articles are born in the first place, half the time. because "lo! bad construct detected!"
1745982;1512340963;mircea_popescu;but in any case -- ALL PANTSUIT!!! is reduced to a shortcut that is insufficient, and doesn't stand up to investigation. this is in fact so universal in them that it can function as identification. "why do you think X is bad ?" "because it's racist" "but what's that mean ?" "oh puhleaze! do we ~still~ have to ?!?!?!". yes, you do. moreover, https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/jezebel_proves_scott_adams_is.html
1745983;1512341246;phf;this is apropos http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523303 but the subtlety requires continual refinement. otherwise you start letting it pass, and turn into one of them
1745984;1512341246;a111;Logged on 2016-08-17 17:13 phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference.
1745985;1512341271;phf;!#seen Framedragger
1745986;1512341271;a111;2017-10-06  yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho
1745987;1512341282;mircea_popescu;all the foregoing aside (and much related to what you say) i suspect this is also a very specific vulnerability of the esl folk, in that they DONT expect the language to complain when misused.
1745988;1512341314;mircea_popescu;in fact, they don't expect language pushback (resistance of medium) at all whatsoever, and don't understand how to decode when the words are crying to the heavens their sadness in abuse.
1745989;1512341371;mircea_popescu;whereas to literate folk, this is a major topic. "i...can't say that. why can't i say that ? why won't that let itself be said ?!"
1745990;1512341821;mircea_popescu;people generally laugh at flaubert for having spent however many weeks to discern if 20 or 22 degrees was "more adequate in his text", but the elided truth of the matter is that they who ~entirely~ lack the mechanism there used in excess are in a much sadder spot than poor ol' oncle g.
1745991;1512342722;mircea_popescu;"Modularity and code reuse are, of course, A Good Thing. Even in the most trivially simple case, however, the CS/IT dogma of code reuse is totally foreign in the bazaar: the software in the FreeBSD ports collection contains at least 1,342 copied and pasted cryptographic algorithms." << of which none actually work, is the caper.
1745992;1512343056;jurov;https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2017-11-30-new-17-profiles.html " Please migrate away from the 13.0 profiles within the six weeks after GCC 6.4.0 has been stabilized on your architecture.
1745993;1512343062;jurov;The 13.0 profiles will be deprecated then and removed in half a year."
1745994;1512343152;jurov;"The default C++ language version for applications is now C++14...means, however, that compilers earlier than GCC 6 are masked and not supported for use as a system compiler anymore."
1745995;1512343189;mircea_popescu;not supported by whom ?
1745996;1512343196;mircea_popescu;i must be misunderstanding something.
1745997;1512343284;jurov;what's there to understand. want to run gentoo on gcc 4, you're on your own.
1745998;1512343294;mircea_popescu;as opposed to when
1745999;1512343314;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by the gentoo(tm)(r) people, naturally. helpfully announcing the final cement burial of whatever useful bits were still left on their www from pre-quisling times.
1746000;1512343319;mircea_popescu;is the idea here that "should you attempt to ask questions on stackexchange there'll be a crowd of politruks whining about it" ? or something else ?
1746001;1512343364;asciilifeform;tbh this is moar advancedwarning than this type of thing typically gets. usually it's silent breakage.
1746002;1512343382;mircea_popescu;one doesn't preclude the other, of course.
1746003;1512343417;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing the gcc 6 branch lacks any sort of incentive exactly in the manner gcc 5 did, making this kind of measures necessary ?
1746004;1512343464;asciilifeform;5 had 0 incentives either, other than for the few folx who really yearned to use c++14isms
1746005;1512343528;asciilifeform;(c++11/14/etc.ism is a rather half-hearted attempt to make '70% bugridden reimplementation' of ada, in cpp, as retrofit. iirc we had a thread a few yrs ago re subj)
1746006;1512343538;mircea_popescu;i recall, yes.
1746007;1512343665;mircea_popescu;though i wouldn't pay much for the upgradist's hide. recall http://trilema.com/2016/internet-census-2016/
1746008;1512343711;asciilifeform;'Where supported, GCC will now build position-independent executables (PIE) by default.
1746009;1512343722;asciilifeform;' << guess for whom.
1746010;1512343733;mircea_popescu;mmm
1746011;1512343806;asciilifeform;it's a multilayered shitsandwich : not only makes 0dayolade substantially easier to write, but as bonus makes ALL old libs no longer link
1746012;1512343824;asciilifeform;and forces newgccism machinewide (despite the boldfaced lie re 'can keep other compilers')
1746013;1512343833;mircea_popescu;"more secure" in the sense of, "against non-nsa attackers only"
1746014;1512343836;asciilifeform;aaha.
1746015;1512343847;asciilifeform;'nobus'(tm)(r)
1746016;1512343870;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612186
1746017;1512343870;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 19:35 asciilifeform: the ftmeade jargon, iirc, is 'nobus' ('no one but us'), in contrast with 'phuctor-style' discoverable hole.
1746018;1512343942;mircea_popescu;so basically, will be driven via cloud and google/apple duopoly.
1746019;1512344089;asciilifeform;gcc6? driven exactly like 5 was. by breaking perfectly-working setups, whenever and wherever they can get their hands on them
1746020;1512344114;mircea_popescu;yes, but... i still dun have a gcc 5 anywhere for instance.
1746021;1512344160;asciilifeform;it wouldn't surprise me to learn that mircea_popescu dun even have a 4 anywhere
1746022;1512344176;mircea_popescu;i got a pile of various ones, actually.
1746023;1512344186;mircea_popescu;eulora eg compiles on 4.4 to 4.9
1746024;1512344502;asciilifeform;re gcc, recall also that it's been put on the usg hitlist, they would like to lead it to a level of dysfunction that will have naive folx welcoming its shooting behind the shed and replacement with Officially blessed clang-llvm
1746025;1512344661;asciilifeform;and yes 6 is being forced in via same mechanism as 5, i.e. they are methodically exterminating archives of source that built cleanly without 5, and replacing -- whenever possible, silently -- with new 'improved' .
1746026;1512345811;mircea_popescu;fortunately it's a whole pile of source that nobody could possibly ever want,
1746027;1512345819;mircea_popescu;i deeply care python 3 won't build without gcc 6 hurr.
1746028;1512346490;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so why not have two rows line normal people. started at 1 0 then moved to 0 7842 then ended at 0 4990
1746029;1512351790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: principal headache is in re bringing up ~new~ boxes, without gcc5+ crapolade leaking in; rather than keeping old ones going
1746030;1512351869;asciilifeform;incidentally i know of at least 1 item that i use that still not depython3ated -- the lattice ice fpga thing
1746031;1512351899;asciilifeform;( the verilog synth in particular)
1746032;1512352134;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, for eg danielpbarron has that selling eulora boxes thing.
1746033;1512352428;asciilifeform;that kinda thing strikes me as livingdangerously.
1746034;1512352452;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1746035;1512352535;*;asciilifeform doesn't even like distributing binaries, much less entire gabrielladdelized machines 
1746036;1512352663;mircea_popescu;what's one to do with the other ?
1746037;1512352757;asciilifeform;machine full of bins is properly speaking superset of 'some bins' neh
1746038;1512352796;mircea_popescu;dude... did you buy one or what are ye talkin about ?
1746039;1512352873;asciilifeform;the notion itself
1746040;1512352882;mircea_popescu;"the notion itself" is not a thing.
1746041;1512352900;*;asciilifeform fastens gas mask 
1746042;1512352906;mircea_popescu;pretty sure this guy will actually send you one if you pay him ; as opposed to the other one.
1746043;1512352924;asciilifeform;oh i'm quite certain he'll send .
1746044;1512352928;mircea_popescu;well so then.
1746045;1512353008;asciilifeform;recall article where mircea_popescu described how he buys machines ? i.e. from street retail, when possible, in cash, without advance warning re where
1746046;1512353026;asciilifeform;in re 'specificity'
1746047;1512353027;mircea_popescu;sure.
1746048;1512353051;mircea_popescu;but if you're going to have a standard os you're going to have a standard os.
1746049;1512353134;asciilifeform;'standard os' could be lived with, as necessary , but 'this 1 d00d makes for us machines' is inviting trouble.
1746050;1512353168;mircea_popescu;well, 1 is better than 0. it's not like there's 2 and i'm proposing one quit.
1746051;1512353175;asciilifeform;troo
1746052;1512353241;asciilifeform;incidentally anyone willing to admit to using a danielpbarron gentootron ? how is it ?
1746053;1512353286;mircea_popescu;yeah, he could use some reviews, at that.
1746054;1512353292;mircea_popescu;sold any yet danielpbarron ?
1746055;1512353970;danielpbarron;no
1746056;1512354086;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1746057;1512354137;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron is it on the wiki btw ?
1746058;1512354154;mircea_popescu;aaand in other extemporaneous hygienes, http://78.media.tumblr.com/18b2bb2808ca485783900574ea934b17/tumblr_nixiyswNN11u9sycbo1_400.gif
1746059;1512354171;danielpbarron;not that i'm aware of
1746060;1512354189;mircea_popescu;i'd say add it, you know, "or you could buy a preinstalled laptop"
1746061;1512354204;danielpbarron;i bought some reddit ad time for it but nothing ever came of it
1746062;1512354249;mircea_popescu;well... if you feel like documenting it so i'm not the only one explaining how reddit is worth < than the slashdot's coupla mil, lock stock and barrel...
1746063;1512354255;mircea_popescu;at least you get a blog post out of the expense.
1746064;1512354361;danielpbarron;relatedly, i have a FG listed for auction on ebay at the moment.
1746065;1512354382;asciilifeform;lol link ?
1746066;1512354449;asciilifeform;i'll admit to being curious who buys it, for what
1746067;1512354456;danielpbarron;https://m.ebay.com/itm/First-Generation-FUCKGOATS-Hardware-Random-Number-Generator-Unit-96-/292352592561
1746068;1512354474;asciilifeform;neato
1746069;1512354487;danielpbarron;even the buy it now price is a good deal if the price is still 0.0395
1746070;1512354497;asciilifeform;surprisingly not censored yet
1746071;1512354518;asciilifeform;i'd naively imagine the name would get it kicked from heathen markets
1746072;1512354552;asciilifeform;i think this is 1st unit to be publicly sold for heathen dubloons, danielpbarron
1746073;1512354555;danielpbarron;if it does i'll just relisted without the name
1746074;1512354569;asciilifeform;lol possibly i am mistaken actually;
1746075;1512354576;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski tried selling one iirc
1746076;1512356513;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1746077;1512359840;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo so why not have two rows line normal people. started at 1 0 then moved to 0 7842 then ended at 0 4990 << NSA and MG had not been notating fiatolade, so I assumed how to handle an open question. Will put together a leperolade line
1746078;1512360233;mircea_popescu;ye
1746079;1512360412;BingoBoingo;Kinda why I waited to deed it. Gotta publish the statement with the open questions, let powers greater than myself comment.
1746080;1512369565;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/02/the-boingo-isp-tbi-november-2017-statement/ << Updated
1746081;1512377010;lobbes;in archive news: through leveraging a bash script comb for urls appearing in teh logs on btcbase (hats off to phf for the impressive historic span), I was able to compile a list of ~142000 links dating back to August 2012.
1746082;1512377013;lobbes;That list has been fed into the Archivierungsprozess. Gonna let it chug along and will report results.
1746083;1512377088;lobbes;to those curious, here's a plaintext dump of all the scraped urls (6 Mb): http://lobbesblog.com/archive/hist_walk.txt
1746084;1512382362;jurov;mod6: ben_vulpes: have you decided about forked coins on foundation's address? should i report them, or sell, or they don't exist?
1746085;1512383134;mircea_popescu;!!up sina_
1746086;1512383134;deedbot;sina_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1746087;1512384569;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo much better.
1746088;1512384639;mircea_popescu;if you want conformity your btc can still be cash, the fiat as well as anything else can still be... TANGIBLE assets. http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ << it's in there, dunno if it got lost in mists of time.
1746089;1512402428;mod6;mornin'
1746090;1512402452;mod6;jurov: I personally haven't considered it.  We'll get back to you on that.
1746091;1512402617;mircea_popescu;in other machine-made lulz, http://archive.is/rdZnl : the title is "the comehack" for some reason, but the header is me walkin' with a newspaper wrapped machete in hand.
1746092;1512402621;mircea_popescu;so... i guess it's comin'.
1746093;1512403465;shinohai;all your forkcoin belong to shinohai
1746094;1512404438;mircea_popescu;lobbes nice. 142k huh
1746095;1512405728;mats;https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/04/world/middleeast/saudi-missile-defense.html
1746096;1512406239;mircea_popescu;heh
1746097;1512406418;mircea_popescu;let me guess, http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#selection-177.121-177.343 all over again, "president trump sat in front of a moonlit rock explaining how our system light that rock right out of tyhe air!"
1746098;1512406545;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-november-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), November 2017 Statement
1746099;1512406578;mircea_popescu;let me take this opportunity to point out to asciilifeform that his first item in the epic ffa write-up was dec 1st. this is dec 4th. wasn't it supposed to be a 1 hour apart publishing or what's going on there ?
1746100;1512406632;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these take several days of continuous sweat to write.
1746101;1512406635;asciilifeform;turns out.
1746102;1512406641;mircea_popescu;ah i thought you had them all lined up
1746103;1512406643;asciilifeform;nope.
1746104;1512406646;asciilifeform;only the source material.
1746105;1512406649;mircea_popescu;ic
1746106;1512406655;mircea_popescu;so what, like weekly ?
1746107;1512406660;asciilifeform;aha.
1746108;1512406663;mircea_popescu;worx.
1746109;1512406692;asciilifeform;probably slightly faster towards the end, when there is less to say re adaism and only the algos need pedanticism
1746110;1512406699;mircea_popescu;also lettuce announce there's going to be a nov-dec joint qntra statement.
1746111;1512406716;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no problem, as long as clearly communicated.
1746112;1512406858;asciilifeform;afaik this kind of software item hasn't really been done since the 1980s magazine days ( i.e. where reader is asked to 'write the program' 'with' the author , rather than 'here it is, run, like a pig is fed' )
1746113;1512406867;mircea_popescu;aha.
1746114;1512406870;asciilifeform;so there are not so many guides to crib, re how.
1746115;1512406878;asciilifeform;asciilifeform largely making the tune up as he goes.
1746116;1512406885;mircea_popescu;that's a net positive.
1746117;1512406901;mircea_popescu;and there's nothing wrong with a weekly rhythm of it either, gives reader chance to follow along.
1746118;1512406917;mircea_popescu;make sure you don't miss days though, people who build up pented excitement get VERY pissy.
1746119;1512406923;mircea_popescu;that'd be the drawback of longer spans.
1746120;1512406953;asciilifeform;currently aiming to make it a fridays thing.
1746121;1512406960;mircea_popescu;cool.
1746122;1512407044;*;asciilifeform just ate his bday caek, made by pet from studying ro material re hungarian caeks. it was quite spiffy.
1746123;1512407045;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the riyadh bombing : the "scud defense" thing is particularily lulzy because the scud's chief characteristic is how inaccurate it is.
1746124;1512407059;mircea_popescu;"oh, we shot it down". well... considering 99% launches fail to touch target... "safe lie"
1746125;1512407070;mircea_popescu;o hey, happy birthday.
1746126;1512407074;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu
1746127;1512407084;asciilifeform;re rocket, it is exactly same story as the 'iron dome' idiocy from last yr
1746128;1512407108;asciilifeform;rockets made by hobos from rusty plumbing discards, not even really aimed to begin with, 'magically shot!'
1746129;1512407133;mircea_popescu;nah, was irani made, pretty certain.
1746130;1512407143;mircea_popescu;iran ~= su in 1970.
1746131;1512407241;mircea_popescu;basically the claim here seems to be that "if they hit anything, they hit the body after warhead separation", which seems a satisfactory description of fact.
1746132;1512407433;mircea_popescu;anyway, flew 1k km, missed target by 1km. perfectly in line with scud capabilities. kinda why it's not much used, either.
1746133;1512407855;mod6;happy b-day alf!
1746134;1512407859;asciilifeform;ty mod6 .
1746135;1512408836;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the sagittarius of tmsr is mired in teh potomac swamps.
1746136;1512408910;mircea_popescu;i thought one was supposed to loathe details and conspiracy theories, at that.
1746137;1512408921;asciilifeform;lol
1746138;1512408992;asciilifeform;meanwhile in swamp dekulakizations , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lPzAc/?raw=true >> 'The Defendant will execute an agreement to forfeit ... Jobs Lane, Bridgehampton, NY: $4.00 million  Baxter Street, New York, NY: $3.70 million  St. James Drive, Palm Beach Gardens, FL: $1.25 million  Fairfax Street, Alexandria, VA: $2.70 million ... owned by Mr. Manafort and his wife, Kathleen. The Baxter Street property is co-owned by
1746139;1512408992;asciilifeform; Mr. Manafort, Mrs. Manafort, and their daughter ...' etc
1746140;1512409075;asciilifeform;and forbidden from travel etc.
1746141;1512409099;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would he sign such a thing.
1746142;1512409167;asciilifeform;i've nfi, maybe they connected his nuts to 220v. or maybe not signed at all, signed for him.
1746143;1512409200;mircea_popescu;latter seems likelier.
1746144;1512409228;BingoBoingo; if you want conformity your btc can still be cash, the fiat as well as anything else can still be... TANGIBLE assets. http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ << it's in there, dunno if it got lost in mists of time. << ah ty, existence of that thing slipped the memory
1746145;1512409243;mircea_popescu;"Immediate family members are therefore personally responsible for substantial payments to the Court should Mr. Manafort not" << lulzy.
1746146;1512409270;mircea_popescu;im guessing this is how it's going from now on, "send your kids over, i'll fuck 'em while you perform"
1746147;1512409307;asciilifeform;elsewhere, https://cryptome.org/2017/12/papadopoulos-005.pdf ( sadly dun ocr really at all ) one papadopoulos, being tried by one 'chief judge beryl a howell' , for 'obstruction' of the 'russian stooges investigation'
1746148;1512409345;mircea_popescu;aww.
1746149;1512409366;asciilifeform;and bonus 'altering and concealing a record, to wit, his Facebook account, with intent to impede the FBI's ongoing investigation' didjaknow.
1746150;1512409375;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1746151;1512409411;mircea_popescu;this facebook thing... used to be a great bureaucrat's toy in the days when the inca was smaller and still struggling to infest medical profession. "supoenad records", some doctors mentally slow enough to imagine they held the only copy.
1746152;1512409426;asciilifeform;apparently was seeekrit trial from end of july, unsealed nao.
1746153;1512409442;mircea_popescu;then it was exactly what SOPS likes, a meta-discussion.
1746154;1512409473;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform just ate his bday caek, made by pet from studying ro material re hungarian caeks. it was quite spiffy. << Happy birthday
1746155;1512409487;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . happy voyage, incidentally, to you.
1746156;1512409510;BingoBoingo;Ty, I just finished the check in for departure tomorrow
1746157;1512409512;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what they currently lack is the means to actually force anybody to use arsebook etc. but this as i understand is 'being worked on'
1746158;1512409521;mircea_popescu;you see it everywhere, from the supreme court all the way down to obscure daycare http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html (" He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable." ) sorta thing
1746159;1512409537;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i thought it was 24 hours since yest
1746160;1512409559;asciilifeform;bonus : the papadoupolos indictment didn't ocr because it is covered in archetypical millenialgurl handwriting
1746161;1512409563;asciilifeform;there is this specific style of print
1746162;1512409572;mircea_popescu;of illiterate hand ?
1746163;1512409574;asciilifeform;must be new generation of clerks
1746164;1512409588;asciilifeform;specifically female, i've never seen a male emit this particular
1746165;1512409595;mircea_popescu;hm.
1746166;1512409627;BingoBoingo;Nah, departure from STL is 14:30 GMT 5.12.17
1746167;1512409638;mircea_popescu;ah
1746168;1512409714;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, so check out imperial poverty. manafort dude has "homes" ie real estate picassos worth maybe 11mn and loans outstanding worth 12 ? so he is "rich" because he's in the red 1e6 as opposed to poorer plebs only allowed in the red 1e4 or 1e5 ?
1746169;1512409734;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746146 << folx have been taking hostages since 4evah-ago, neh.
1746170;1512409734;a111;Logged on 2017-12-04 17:41 mircea_popescu: im guessing this is how it's going from now on, "send your kids over, i'll fuck 'em while you perform"
1746171;1512409737;mircea_popescu;this is the new us citizen pay class, "How deep in the red may you arbitrarily sign yourself, where may is used in the sense of must" ?
1746172;1512409754;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not the "full faith and credit of the united states", no.
1746173;1512409765;mircea_popescu;american exceptionalism is getting raped pretty good these days.
1746174;1512409777;*;BingoBoingo ended up upgrading self to "economy plus" during seat selection because windows, TBI accounts not charged for move taken out of BingoBoingo's drive to sightsee
1746175;1512409795;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: good q , how old exactly is the practice of 'bail'
1746176;1512409872;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Since at least 1600's in algophone world if you trace it to debtor's prisons. Per Lafond's research into white slavery concept also present in acquiring prisoners for indenture and other servitudes
1746177;1512409883;BingoBoingo;in colonial us
1746178;1512409895;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: m is 'rich' in exactly same way any orc official is -- while permitted to live in his officially assigned nomenklatura residence , avoid working under a clock, etc
1746179;1512409914;BingoBoingo;No importa que, colonial us is a nonsense labelism
1746180;1512409963;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the point i was perhaps understatedly making is that the LEGAL profession is now under attack from the red brigades. they fought the doctors in the court system for 30-40 years (whiole the idiot lawyers looked on, thinking they're special)
1746181;1512409970;asciilifeform;all asciilifeform can add is that you can tell where in usa there is a courthouse, because for many miles around there is an infestation of 'bail bondsmen', 'bond loans', 'bail', shopfronts.
1746182;1512409983;asciilifeform;and also places where prisoners are forced to buy (yes) own gps collars
1746183;1512409984;mircea_popescu;now, dude married to lawyer and with lawyer daughter, ie, core of the profession, is being "indicted", as if this were even fucking permissible.
1746184;1512409989;mircea_popescu;curious how it works out.
1746185;1512410039;mircea_popescu;but i think the message is pretty well out : "mr/mrs/miss manafort can't defend themselves. what are you srtill doing in the reich ?"
1746186;1512410047;mircea_popescu;yes, hot stove burns all hands. whadda ya thought.
1746187;1512410109;BingoBoingo; all asciilifeform can add is that you can tell where in usa there is a courthouse, because for many miles around there is an infestation of 'bail bondsmen', 'bond loans', 'bail', shopfronts. << Locally bail bondsman is far from courthouse. Local DA provides "cheapest" bail bond, and who gets arrested...
1746188;1512410140;mircea_popescu;!!pay 0.55 diana_coman
1746189;1512410144;BingoBoingo; and also places where prisoners are forced to buy (yes) own gps collars << Now, this is everywhere but rent rather than buy
1746190;1512410145;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aRIsZ/?raw=true
1746191;1512410259;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect that d00d who has 'real estate picassos worth maybe 11mn and loans outstanding worth 12' is walking out of the reich a little bit after washington's monument grows legs and goes.
1746192;1512410280;mircea_popescu;could have moved AT ANY POINT.
1746193;1512410305;asciilifeform;but then would be just a d00d, with arms and legs, no money, no skills, no wot.
1746194;1512410313;mircea_popescu;made WRONG assumptions about reality and the nature of the world vehehehery much in the vein of "just like the great socialist state "works for you" because you uncritically assign all the good it had no part in creating to it and all the ill it actually created to imaginary racists, misogynists and other terrorists."
1746195;1512410325;mircea_popescu;but they are dissolving. who knew that us real estate is worthless! o noes!
1746196;1512410341;mircea_popescu;who knew that the ~only physically dangerous place to live is the us! o noes!
1746197;1512410342;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1746198;1512410363;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is your own perferred, familiar nonsense. has 0 relation to reality.
1746199;1512410409;asciilifeform;then why exactly did he not move, if he had with what.
1746200;1512410556;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746199 << because exactly as i say : he assigned universals ("the sun rises in the morning! BECAUSE STALIN!") to the socialist state ; and the very disasters caused by that socialist state to imaginary "everyone else everywhere else". guess what, it WASN'T the terrorists that came busting down the door. it was... the socialists he worked for.
1746201;1512410556;a111;Logged on 2017-12-04 18:00 asciilifeform: then why exactly did he not move, if he had with what.
1746202;1512410568;mircea_popescu;this is how manafort idiocy works.
1746203;1512410656;mircea_popescu;he takes the sentence "i am rich here as i'd be anywhere ; and i can't buy anything for it here unlike anywhere else" and turns it into "i am rich here because usg made me rich ; and i can't buy anything here or anywhere else because non-usg". whether he verbalizes that "non-usg" as "the most serene republic" or "black people" or "islam" or "patriarchy" or what have you, it's still what it is.
1746204;1512410664;asciilifeform;iirc we had similar thread not long ago, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714394
1746205;1512410664;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 17:45 pete_dushenski: shkreli stuck around nato making billions in pharma industry SO THAT HE COULD MAKE PREVIOUSLY SCAMMED INVESTORS WHOLE
1746206;1512410668;mircea_popescu;the empire assigning universals to itself and its own failures to non-itself.
1746207;1512410687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. we keep having it, esltards be esltards.
1746208;1512410695;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: separate q is whether usg.rich is actually convertible to somewhereelse.rich
1746209;1512410720;asciilifeform;( i suspect that in the general case , it isn't ; but don't specifically know )
1746210;1512410725;mircea_popescu;this is like rhino saying "i'm not sure whether my horn is useful in general or not really". well... if it is cancer, you want it ablated asap.
1746211;1512410735;mircea_popescu;and this is the definition of cancer : growth not universally useful.
1746212;1512410770;mircea_popescu;so here : if usg.rich is NOT everywhere.rich, then all portions of it that actually are not must be cut off. yesterday, not tomorrow.
1746213;1512410805;mircea_popescu;i never heard anyone go "well... if i can keep on going with this tumour maybe it turns out it was actually useful, who knows".
1746214;1512410833;mircea_popescu;tumors get cut out the moment they are identified. for the very reason.
1746215;1512410857;asciilifeform;somebody wake up buffett, tell him to give away his usggold
1746216;1512410874;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1746217;1512410908;mircea_popescu;hey, most prostate cancers go untreated because they are SO SLOW that by the time they appear, the victim is already marked for death from other causes.
1746218;1512410936;mircea_popescu;"why should we operate this tumor liable to kill this patient in 5 to 10 years when his circulatory system will do him in within 18 months at the most"
1746219;1512411063;asciilifeform;it isn't as if being buffett is something that were dropped from the sky by malevolent martians on unsuspecting people. it's a thing the 'sufferers' work for decades for, compete with other candidates for politruk ( or for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745249 , depending on flavour ) , it is very much a conscious choice
1746220;1512411063;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 23:19 mircea_popescu: guy was a major... well, like bill gates, or khodorovsky, however you call the faux business men produced by governments. except in ro, so he's talking 1e7 rather than 1e10
1746221;1512411076;mircea_popescu;not really.
1746222;1512411083;mircea_popescu;sufferers work for something else, end up with this.
1746223;1512411099;mircea_popescu;much like asbestos roofing worker works to make roof, ends up with mesothelioma in the process.
1746224;1512411117;asciilifeform;the difference is that nobody living today has ever seen the supposed roof
1746225;1512411120;asciilifeform;only the lung rot
1746226;1512411129;mircea_popescu;there's humongous difference between gates, entirely intellectually nil, and buffett, intelligent ox.
1746227;1512411416;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18390
1746228;1512411450;mircea_popescu;not even a terrible question.
1746229;1512411457;mircea_popescu;are there ?
1746230;1512411522;asciilifeform;the original logic is that i want it to appear on every page of http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ .
1746231;1512411526;mircea_popescu;aha.
1746232;1512411544;mircea_popescu;well, tell him for me that there's nothing wrong with obscenity in principle, perhaps with a link to a choice image from the logs
1746233;1512411552;mircea_popescu;i'd do it myself but inane googlism.
1746234;1512411577;asciilifeform;aite.
1746235;1512411774;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-123791 << it's 'crl' btw
1746236;1512411793;asciilifeform;( otherwise exactly yes )
1746237;1512411854;asciilifeform;( and i suppose i could nitpick, 'USG.StrictlyAnyOtherCAImplicitlyTrustedByAllUSGbrowsers manages to lose a public key' oughta read 'private key' )
1746238;1512412485;mircea_popescu;right you are.
1746239;1512412487;mircea_popescu;why not comment it!
1746240;1512412563;asciilifeform;hm.
1746241;1512412609;asciilifeform;commented
1746242;1512412665;mircea_popescu;answer't lol
1746243;1512412986;asciilifeform;!!up scatha
1746244;1512412987;deedbot;scatha voiced for 30 minutes.
1746245;1512413051;scatha;asciilifeform: thanks, just checking :) hope all is well over there, saw qntra down and a strange chinese message on trilema
1746246;1512413142;asciilifeform;scatha: re qntra etc -- try reading the logs ?
1746247;1512413429;scatha;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=qntra found it thanks
1746248;1512414186;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746081 << i can, by the way, give you (or anyone who wants it really) an ongoing feed of urls, which might be a bit saner, than trying to wget a bunch of html pages, and then attempt to reverse them
1746249;1512414186;a111;Logged on 2017-12-04 08:43 lobbes: in archive news: through leveraging a bash script comb for urls appearing in teh logs on btcbase (hats off to phf for the impressive historic span), I was able to compile a list of ~142000 links dating back to August 2012.
1746250;1512414679;phf;i have some internal feeds that, for example, return messages in terms of "since=", so by tracking what was the latest message id that you processed, you can have incremental processing
1746251;1512415349;mircea_popescu;chinese ?!
1746252;1512415371;mircea_popescu;phf actually the url rss is a fine idea.
1746253;1512415375;asciilifeform;1 of the rotating headers on trilema is chinese, neh
1746254;1512415385;mircea_popescu;how can a drawing be chinese
1746255;1512415389;asciilifeform;not drawing
1746256;1512415398;mircea_popescu;oh oh the byline ?
1746257;1512415401;asciilifeform;aha
1746258;1512415492;mircea_popescu;lmao!
1746259;1512415523;mircea_popescu;!~google 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院。
1746260;1512415524;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A ...: ; 北回归线在线阅读(第10页)_必看网: ; 幽默、笑话、故事收集: 
1746261;1512415530;mircea_popescu;WHAT is the internet even for, seriously now.
1746262;1512415547;lobbes;phf: Guess I should've inquired beforehand; would've saved myself some work with the historical walk :P
1746263;1512415553;lobbes;As for processing urls 'going forward' I got a bot sitting in chan that snarfs urls as they come and keeps it in a 'to-be-processed' database. Still, having redundant data sources couldn't hurt. I would definitely be interested in url streams
1746264;1512415573;phf;lobbes: yeah, it took me about 5 minutes to produce a list of urls including coding :p
1746265;1512415603;phf;it takes about 12 seconds to walk the log for all the messages containing "http" and then narrow it down with a somewhat hairy regex that i found somewhere some time ago
1746266;1512415741;phf;regex in question http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ce04k/?raw=true  (the 12 seconds overhead comes mostly from the fact that ppcre is a dog, so that regex is not actually being used anywhere in production)
1746267;1512415952;mircea_popescu;hey phf : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581153  but http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=learned+a+chinese and especially http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%E5%92%8C%E6%88%91
1746268;1512415952;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 16:18 mircea_popescu: in other news, today i learned a chinese! it goes like so : 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院
1746269;1512416220;mircea_popescu;meanwhile SHITHOLE youtube destroyed that url ; moved it to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyX-31dW6_w for no fucking reason and fuck you google.
1746270;1512416230;mircea_popescu;worst source of breakage in the entire field,. this youtube crap.
1746271;1512416234;mircea_popescu;totally would love a substitute.
1746272;1512416240;phf;mircea_popescu: i'll investigate a bit the specific mechanics of failure in this case, but there are certain situations where unicode search doesn't necessarily work
1746273;1512416248;mircea_popescu;plaintext either.
1746274;1512416274;mircea_popescu;!#s learned a chinese
1746275;1512416274;a111;0 results for "learned a chinese", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=learned%20a%20chinese
1746276;1512416277;mircea_popescu;^
1746277;1512416299;phf;well, right
1746278;1512416331;phf;but at the same time for whatever reason http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22learned+a+chinese%22
1746279;1512416340;mircea_popescu;aha. weird huh.
1746280;1512416397;phf;actually !#s "和我"
1746281;1512416400;phf;err
1746282;1512416402;phf;!#s "和我"
1746283;1512416403;a111;4 results for "\"和我\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%E5%92%8C%E6%88%91%22
1746284;1512416448;phf;this is because word break doesn't understand that 和 and 我 are words and no punctuation is required for breaking it up. there lies dragon territory
1746285;1512416535;mircea_popescu;uhhh
1746286;1512416551;mircea_popescu;that didn't occur to me.
1746287;1512416557;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746271 << there's a buncha clones. ( all in heathendom, however )
1746288;1512416557;a111;Logged on 2017-12-04 19:37 mircea_popescu: totally would love a substitute.
1746289;1512416567;mircea_popescu;the other problem i'm confronting is that i don't now remember what the chinese even meant.
1746290;1512416589;mircea_popescu;so i guess trilema joins thereby the sad legion of hos with tramp stamps.
1746291;1512416646;asciilifeform;https://i.redd.it/23stf4m6lx101.jpg << in other sad legions.
1746292;1512416687;mircea_popescu;yeswell.
1746293;1512416700;mircea_popescu;they have a point. no need to trade === win.
1746294;1512416732;asciilifeform;depends what means win neh
1746295;1512416782;mircea_popescu;phf http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=%E5%92%8C%E6%88%91%E4%B8%80%E8%B5%B7%EF%BC%8C%E9%82%A3%E6%98%AF%E4%BD%A0%E7%9A%84%E5%A9%8A%E5%AD%90%E6%8E%B4%E4%BD%A0%E8%BF%9B%E7%9B%91%E7%8B%B1%EF%BC%8C%E5%B9%B6%E4%B8%8E%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E7%9A%84%E6%B0%91%E6%97%8F%E7%96%AF%E4%BA%BA%E9%99%A2&c=trilema natively, at that.
1746296;1512416839;asciilifeform;woah orcolade
1746297;1512416870;phf;sure search_it_form_me(table, tokenize(query))
1746298;1512416895;mircea_popescu;am i not following something ?
1746299;1512417142;phf;it's fundamentally two different approaches, bvulpes's thing relies on a lot of pre-written code that comes with postgresql, mine, for better or for worse, is custom written. the approach that postgresql uses is much more elaborate than what i'm doing. (for example they have explicit lexing phase both for search and for indexing, that takes care of language specific break up of sentences)
1746300;1512417165;mircea_popescu;aaaah. the bit is a chinese version of that romanian curse the french speaking chick learned phonetically for her role in occident.
1746301;1512417180;mircea_popescu;phf ic!
1746302;1512417346;phf;i have some idea of how to fix this issue though. for example i can treat characters from certain unicode planes (anything higher than latin-1) as grep
1746303;1512417392;mircea_popescu;i don't really think it's much of an issue altogether, except for the part where it fails to find a line for ascii search.
1746304;1512417425;phf;yeah, i think that's a bug unrelated to moon language
1746305;1512417495;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the principal problem is that no good text formats for video.
1746306;1512417499;mircea_popescu;where is the vvg!
1746307;1512417527;mircea_popescu;or whatever, svg-midi
1746308;1512418109;asciilifeform;where was that ascii video thing...
1746309;1512418113;asciilifeform;the one with 'star wars'
1746310;1512418149;phf;it funny if you search for star wars ascii telnet second link is youtube
1746311;1512418153;asciilifeform;format is trivial, just a buncha lines of known length, with ordinary newlines; a frame is simply certain # of'em
1746312;1512418172;phf;but it's telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
1746313;1512418215;asciilifeform;appears to work
1746314;1512418238;phf;also it most definitely uses ansi sequences for redraw and character positioning
1746315;1512418245;asciilifeform;hm.
1746316;1512418256;asciilifeform;frugal but imho not The Right Thing.
1746317;1512418268;asciilifeform;not for arbitrary bitmapola at any rate.
1746318;1512418316;asciilifeform;https://www.dyne.org/software/hasciicam << in related lulz.
1746319;1512418408;diana_coman;la multi ani, asciilifeform !
1746320;1512418415;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman
1746321;1512418541;phf;an example of urls output might be something like this http://btcbase.org/data/urls.txt
1746322;1512419632;mircea_popescu;actually vlc has had ascii output for a while
1746323;1512419638;mircea_popescu;can watch pronz on terminal.
1746324;1512420093;mircea_popescu;in ongoing ro lulz : https://www.cotidianul.ro/greu-mai-intelegem/ (basically, the deal seems to be that romania will get ~34k sqkm / 3,5mn or so extra folks in a box labelled "moldavia" in exchange for continued friendship ; the CAER parallels are striking)
1746325;1512420204;BingoBoingo;En otra cosas: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NiVwf/?raw=true
1746326;1512420330;mircea_popescu;lol http://trilema.com/2014/mircea-popescu-is-an-asshole/ ?
1746327;1512422307;BingoBoingo;lol, looks like new twist on same old shit
1746328;1512424554;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'The amount we asking is 0.05Bitcoin' << lol!!
1746329;1512424575;asciilifeform;!!up gribble
1746330;1512424575;deedbot;gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
1746331;1512424579;asciilifeform;;;balance 1492bBQhiSRgS7k25mUsaedTSjwHkaWQRh
1746332;1512424580;gribble;0
1746333;1512424586;asciilifeform;lolx2.
1746334;1512424911;asciilifeform;in other 1333337lulz, 'Claymore's Dual ETH miner's remote management interface is prone to an unauthenticated remote stack buffer overwrite that can be triggered by simply sending an overly long api request to the management interface resulting in an unbound `(v)sprintf` style buffer overwrite when trying to log to file or console.'
1746335;1512424990;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/plPGD , with demo )
1746336;1512425278;trinque;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OUVGj/?raw=true
1746337;1512425308;asciilifeform;trinque: plox to make the necessary correction
1746338;1512425327;trinque;aye aye
1746339;1512425331;asciilifeform;ty trinque !
1746340;1512425398;davout;asciilifeform: happy birthday!
1746341;1512425404;asciilifeform;ty davout
1746342;1512425485;davout;also in case BingoBoingo hasn't already left for the other hemisphere I wish him safe travel!
1746343;1512426667;asciilifeform;!!up hangtree
1746344;1512426668;deedbot;hangtree voiced for 30 minutes.
1746345;1512430614;deedbot;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6WTKT/?raw=true
1746346;1512430963;BingoBoingo;davout: Ty
1746347;1512432653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if they had any sense it'd be one addy per email neh
1746348;1512433388;mircea_popescu;in other "what to do with your human manatee" ideas, https://img1.etsystatic.com/186/0/7005175/il_570xN.1334362571_ob2l.jpg
1746349;1512435585;mats;what is this
1746350;1512435599;mircea_popescu;a sort of slingshot
1746351;1512435614;mats;oh, thought it was a cock ring
1746352;1512435619;mircea_popescu;captive ball slingshot. like the captive bolt pistol.
1746353;1512441040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out, old man won in teh supreme court. travel ban live.
1746354;1512441952;phf;!#s learned a chinese
1746355;1512441952;a111;8 results for "learned a chinese", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=learned%20a%20chinese
1746356;1512441984;phf;there was a hairy bug in search, that didn't consider all the possibilities. though now there's a highlighting issue..
1746357;1512443119;phf;(which has now been resolved)
1746358;1512443946;mircea_popescu;wd.
1746359;1512444430;mircea_popescu;in other improbable things, https://www.frolicon.com/index.php
1746360;1512450430;deedbot;hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o7iDo/?raw=true
1746361;1512456894;BingoBoingo;!!deed wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OrE8B/?raw=true
1746362;1512456897;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1746363;1512456927;BingoBoingo;deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OrE8B/?raw=true
1746364;1512456944;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OrE8B/?raw=true
1746365;1512456948;deedbot;accepted: 1
1746366;1512459916;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-497681.txt
1746367;1512469914;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://lurkmore.to/ is now dead ?
1746368;1512470343;mircea_popescu;trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/C0G3d/?raw=true
1746369;1512476512;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745676 << if you mean http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/ the point of it was specifically so as to have a tmsr item to put into http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726131 ; as that failed and we decided to go with serpent, the only possible closure to that offer is that the republic failed to deliver.
1746370;1512476512;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 22:30 asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform will submit ffa.rsa to be judged in mircea_popescu's symm cipher contest, supposing the latter is still running
1746371;1512476512;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 15:19 mircea_popescu: in other items of republican interest : eulora is at a stage where we have to set down what we'll use for sensitive data encryption (such as for instance the privkey files). i don't particularily wish to use aes ; anyone wants to contribute to this emerging spec ?
1746372;1512477918;mircea_popescu;i put a comment in ; seared with hot irons, and hopefully alongside the indolence and self-indulgent idiocy of all days to come.
1746373;1512479708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-123805
1746374;1512480082;mircea_popescu;answer't.
1746375;1512480257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why not declare the serpent author the winner ?
1746376;1512480264;mircea_popescu;he did not submit.
1746377;1512480289;mircea_popescu;there's a whole train of "here's some efortless stuff" in there, if you've noticed, "x could be used [but i shall do no work]".
1746378;1512480293;asciilifeform;incidentally who nominated serpent originally here ?
1746379;1512480301;mircea_popescu;no work has not yet been the avenue to winning.
1746380;1512480311;mircea_popescu;!#s serpent
1746381;1512480312;a111;65 results for "serpent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=serpent
1746382;1512480328;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-17#981006 <
1746383;1512480328;a111;Logged on 2015-01-17 22:38 asciilifeform: or, alternatively, like the choice of 'aes' over the stronger but 'slower' 'serpent' cipher, it was merely orders from lizardhitler.
1746384;1512480413;asciilifeform;from where did eulora get the snippet currently in use ?
1746385;1512480435;mircea_popescu;you mean from whose reading or from whose writing ?
1746386;1512480443;asciilifeform;from where specifically
1746387;1512480448;asciilifeform;as in, the code per se
1746388;1512480470;mircea_popescu;no but see, we use different terminology. i do not assign anything to "code written". the source of code, to my eyes, is he in the wot who has read it.
1746389;1512480484;mircea_popescu;the situation thereby is that the serpent to be used in eulora ORIGINATES with diana_coman , its reader.
1746390;1512480503;mircea_popescu;who wrote it is of no consequence, that pointer will be permafixed as NIL.
1746391;1512480516;asciilifeform;asciilifeform read it, originally. and described why it ought to be considered, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591995
1746392;1512480516;a111;Logged on 2016-12-28 17:48 asciilifeform: in particular: no tables.
1746393;1512480539;asciilifeform;i dun propose that this constitutes a 'winning contest entry'. but take exception to the 'no work.'
1746394;1512480561;mircea_popescu;this is the iffy part with "work", that it bears definitions that often diverge from what subjective feeling's like.
1746395;1512480563;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591977 and elsewhere.
1746396;1512480563;a111;Logged on 2016-12-28 16:58 asciilifeform since release of FUCKGOATS, spent much time studying 'serpent' block cipher.
1746397;1512480578;mircea_popescu;it is actually possibru she's going to use a signed item by you ? though i dun recall this being mentioned
1746398;1512480591;mircea_popescu;didja read it in the proper sense, or in the "no obligations" sense ?
1746399;1512480597;asciilifeform;in the properly-read sense.
1746400;1512480609;mircea_popescu;is this a patch or a genesis ?
1746401;1512480615;asciilifeform;i cannot attest to the strength ( afaik nobody can ) but can to the constanttimeitude, for instance.
1746402;1512480625;mircea_popescu;but did you sign this somewhere.
1746403;1512480682;asciilifeform;afaik not yet signed. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726147 is where the item was communicated.
1746404;1512480682;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 15:35 asciilifeform: fwiw there is a quite short ada serpent existing, passes the test set ( and branch-free ).
1746405;1512480722;asciilifeform;i'm quite willing to genesis it to attest to the origin of the item from my personal archive.
1746406;1512480730;mircea_popescu;see, here's the problem : work === "hey mp, here's the genesis & tree for the crypto item eulora needed ; now as to s.nsa's fee...". !work is anything-not-that, including ~very helpful~ side comments.
1746407;1512480730;asciilifeform;( supposing this is of interest to anyone. )
1746408;1512480764;mircea_popescu;it is not to say that one (me, s.mg, diana_coman, everyone) does not benefit immensely from shooting the breeze among the intelligent&educated, as opposed to out in the cold.
1746409;1512480786;asciilifeform;somehow the 'i dug up an algo, by apparently sane author, and determined that it runs in constant time' -- not work ?
1746410;1512480794;mircea_popescu;however. if i don't have a neck to squeeze when something blows up no work was in fact done. that's the writing/reading distinction, code is enacted by reading, in the speciffic v sense of the term.
1746411;1512480797;asciilifeform;went through a gigatonne of liquishit, to find.
1746412;1512480819;mircea_popescu;hey.
1746413;1512480848;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between socializing (which yes, is the free exchange of valuable bits of knowledge / information) and work (which is the DIRECTED etc)
1746414;1512481043;asciilifeform;i'm quite willing to sign the copy which i personally studied, even today
1746415;1512481087;mircea_popescu;why didn't you even yesterday is the more productive question here. what exactly changed since today ?
1746416;1512481104;mircea_popescu;but anyway -- i see no impediment ; or can wait for diana_coman 's published item on her blog sign then if happy, or.
1746417;1512481118;asciilifeform;for diana_coman's v chain strictly.
1746418;1512481184;asciilifeform;if the item actually ends up (as it appears to be going) in eulora, imho is the proper thing to do, rather than 'source is this-here paste'
1746419;1512481194;mircea_popescu;yes, well, there's no practical way to negotiate ad hoc two such copies if indeed they exist. logical move is to syncronize by patience, wait for it to appear see if it's any good.
1746420;1512481196;asciilifeform;sorta how mircea_popescu signed 0.5.3.
1746421;1512481240;mircea_popescu;i expect it'll be patched into mpi. which she's going to also sign to genesis. sorta like how i signed mp-wp, and unlike how you didn't genesis it, or did you ?
1746422;1512481246;asciilifeform;i did.
1746423;1512481251;asciilifeform;for fuck's sake
1746424;1512481252;mircea_popescu;a then, that's getting patched.
1746425;1512481274;asciilifeform;will argue that for mpi asciilifeform did 'no work' ?
1746426;1512481297;asciilifeform;will say 'ah but subjectively! it OUGHTA have taken you 5min'
1746427;1512481297;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1746428;1512481302;mircea_popescu;nope.
1746429;1512481330;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mpi&search= << it's in there, that's what it is.
1746430;1512481352;asciilifeform;ftr, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 << mpiism all in one spot.
1746431;1512481375;mircea_popescu;going to construct a v tree (on the basis of her sig) that builds into eulora crypto lib.
1746432;1512481398;mircea_popescu;leaving the mpi_second_cut as the basic root for further/other work also.
1746433;1512481454;asciilifeform;i will stand and say, asciilifeform did exactly the Right Thing, prepared , with proper care wartime ersatz ( mpi ) for if ( as turned out to be the case ) proper item ( ffa ) takes years.
1746434;1512481488;mircea_popescu;this is quite true.
1746435;1512481516;asciilifeform;incidentally the work was reported in s.nsa broadcasts. sanitized-mpi is a s.nsa product.
1746436;1512481537;mircea_popescu;aha.
1746437;1512481581;asciilifeform;( clearly marked in the src per se, likewise, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/mpi_second_cut#L5350 )
1746438;1512481651;mircea_popescu;for some reason i was looking in 2016 era s.nsa reports
1746439;1512481678;asciilifeform;2015 works.
1746440;1512481692;mircea_popescu;ie, http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-january-february-2016-joint-statement/#selection-451.0-457.21
1746441;1512481712;mircea_popescu;was this jan/feb 2016 or different period ?
1746442;1512481737;mircea_popescu;"The S.NSA entry is to be an implementation based on Cramer-Shoup. As it turns out, Cramer-Shoup has never been publicly implemented by anyone, at all."
1746443;1512481743;mircea_popescu;heh! so many hopes, so little time...
1746444;1512481759;mircea_popescu;whatever happened of that march 2016 promised cs implementation candidate cipher ?
1746445;1512481770;asciilifeform;ffa
1746446;1512481788;asciilifeform;no cs worth considering without sane ffa.
1746447;1512481807;mircea_popescu;hm.
1746448;1512481809;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the linked item earlier is from when asciilifeform dug out and studied koch's proposed sidechannel countermeasure. proclaimed it nonsensical and useless, and bit the bullet, 'must bignum from scratch.'
1746449;1512481826;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cs is numbertheoretical cipher, just as rsa, requires sane bignum.
1746450;1512481838;mircea_popescu;what happened to "god damned it, i can't do this c-s i was going to do for the cipher comp because no ffa" ?
1746451;1512481871;asciilifeform;subj was beaten to death in the logs, neh
1746452;1512481879;mircea_popescu;not as such.
1746453;1512481891;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453842
1746454;1512481891;a111;Logged on 2016-04-19 16:35 asciilifeform: to which i bolted a cramer-shoup thing, and started out thinking 'i'll reuse the elgamal piece, c-s is after all a variant of elgamal' but nooooo
1746455;1512481913;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453851
1746456;1512481913;a111;Logged on 2016-04-19 16:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c-s uses the basic parts of elgamal, hence the investigation.
1746457;1512481930;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529899
1746458;1512481930;a111;Logged on 2016-08-26 16:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529877 << timing can be 'ceilinged' and it solves problem. but i am still chewing on the problem of enemy being able to determine who is speaking to whom by deriving the public keys. (this is trivial with rsa, and i've been working on answering the q of whether is is also true for c-s)
1746459;1512481940;mircea_popescu;the important parts in order of importance : 1) distress call ("god damned it") ; 2. failure discussion "i can't do this c-s i was going to do for the cipher comp". these must be present as teh header.
1746460;1512481961;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1696085
1746461;1512481961;a111;Logged on 2017-08-09 21:53 asciilifeform: at any rate it is just as easily implemented on pmachine as rsa.
1746462;1512481972;asciilifeform;possibly elsewhere also.
1746463;1512481981;mircea_popescu;none of these make it.
1746464;1512482010;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu even showed symptoms of having actually read the c-s orig paper, and presumably knew that it is a numbertheoretical cipher.
1746465;1512482020;mircea_popescu;yes.
1746466;1512482068;asciilifeform;and 'uses the components of elgamal' and 'leaks like a sieve if we use koch's routines, via side channel' required additional pedanticism somehow ?
1746467;1512482095;mircea_popescu;but the specific sequence is required, that's what communication is, that's how signalling works. "actually... i was going to do x for y, but can't, and won't before z". that's gotta be -- either in the comment section of the linked march 2016 report, or in the comment section of the linked contest, or i guess unideally here. but explicitly.
1746468;1512482117;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, because they have to attach to the item, so the item can then be followeds.
1746469;1512482130;mircea_popescu;otherwise the result is that you leave it unsignalled for a coupla years and it dies out.
1746470;1512482141;mircea_popescu;think of how proteins work in the body, it's exactly the same thing.
1746471;1512482164;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was signalled five ways to pluto. or, say it now, did mircea_popescu think that cramer-shoup remained unimplemented because 'lazy self-indulgent idjits' ?
1746472;1512482187;mircea_popescu;in a word, yes.
1746473;1512482219;mircea_popescu;the item doesn't even exist implemented at all! still today, as then. lego blocks implementation would beat this situation.
1746474;1512482251;asciilifeform;there was 1 implementation.
1746475;1512482262;asciilifeform;( terrible one, in elisp. but worked. )
1746476;1512482273;mircea_popescu;or, to state it conversely, waiting copulation upon the perfect erection will result in a very old virgin bride, AT THE MOST. generally it will result in divorce.
1746477;1512482290;mircea_popescu;i dun think i ever saw it myself.
1746478;1512482296;asciilifeform;it is in the log
1746479;1512482313;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-05#1397388 ah there we go
1746480;1512482313;a111;Logged on 2016-02-05 20:57 ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.verify-it.de/sub/cramer_shoup.html << in elisp, no less
1746481;1512482322;asciilifeform;^ aha.
1746482;1512482337;mircea_popescu;i recall this now.
1746483;1512482387;mircea_popescu;http://www.verify-it.de/sub/challenge.html << poor guy even has a contest.
1746484;1512482464;asciilifeform;in the process of writing one on top of my mpi, i realized that the approach is unsound, and will eventually get people killed. so went straight to what became ffa.
1746485;1512482473;mircea_popescu;1998.
1746486;1512482478;mircea_popescu;this is not unreasonable.
1746487;1512482556;asciilifeform;so this perhaps answers mircea_popescu's 'where the hell was c-s'
1746488;1512482590;mircea_popescu;it does however not answer "where the hell was the discussion of s.nsa's march 2016 promise wrt february 2016 cipher contest".
1746489;1512482644;mircea_popescu;or in better terms : the conversation could have been carried in 2016, in the terms of "here's what the future looks like, wut do" rather than end-of-2017 in the terms of "here's what i don't like about how the past looks".
1746490;1512482672;asciilifeform;for what did mircea_popescu think ffa is made ?
1746491;1512482683;asciilifeform;for mechanized bignum tetris ?
1746492;1512482708;mircea_popescu;in general i expect it is made for ~any purpose. be it rsa, c-s, or yes, tetris.
1746493;1512482721;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as it's made for being correct, it's made for whatever it'll be used for.
1746494;1512482746;asciilifeform;made originally ( as amply described in the logs , at every step of the way ) for universal numbertheoretical ciphrator.
1746495;1512482753;mircea_popescu;right.
1746496;1512482785;mircea_popescu;an' there's nothing wrong with this.
1746497;1512482819;asciilifeform;and i take exception to 'what i don't like about how the past looks'. looks entirely proper to me, and imho well-supported by the log material.
1746498;1512482870;mircea_popescu;so then what's the problem ?
1746499;1512482908;asciilifeform;the 'self-indulgent indolence' of implementing in a year+ what usg academitards could not do in 30 years
1746500;1512482927;asciilifeform;i suppose i oughtn't be surprised, that everyone answers then 'why not in a month'
1746501;1512482936;mircea_popescu;but that discussion was re absent submission to cipher contest ; not re your work making the ffa item you came to the conclusion is generally necessary.
1746502;1512482947;asciilifeform;they are one and the same.
1746503;1512482958;mircea_popescu;evidently not ?
1746504;1512483032;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point re "it's unfortunate that open ended terms, such as one's own life, and other things, end up quite closed termed in the end" is sound. yes it's quite unfortunate, and rather regrettable. nevertheless, it's how it goes ; if i knew better in feb 2016 i'd have said "this'll be open for a coupla years". as it happens, i didn't know any better in 2016.
1746505;1512483033;asciilifeform;requires a very selective reading of the logs, to say that they are not. but i won't argue over mircea_popescu's contest, it was written in such a way that it oughta have been quite obvious that the bounty will not be paid.
1746506;1512483059;asciilifeform;i do however take exception to the 'indolence'.
1746507;1512483066;mircea_popescu;actually it was written with a view to having the bounty paid to nsa. it's just nsa had to actually do some things.
1746508;1512483093;asciilifeform;and instead sat around uselessly , and wasted time making and selling rng in the meantime also, lol
1746509;1512483107;mircea_popescu;it is not clear to me why this is uselessly.
1746510;1512483117;asciilifeform;( what's the use, incidentally, of a cramershouptron, without sane rng ? )
1746511;1512483136;asciilifeform;the implication of 'had to do some things' is 'but instead sat' neh ?
1746512;1512483167;mircea_popescu;evidently nothing in crypto is useful without rng ; what's this to do with anything ?
1746513;1512483222;mircea_popescu;(nothing in crypto is useful, either, which severely limits the rng uptake apparently -- if your crypto dun work anyway what need is rng item or somesuch)
1746514;1512483244;asciilifeform;yea, observe, danielpbarron's fiatola FG sale still 0 takers
1746515;1512483250;asciilifeform;i find this interesting.
1746516;1512483273;mircea_popescu;well, they don't yet need it for anything. at least mentally. aanyways.
1746517;1512483298;asciilifeform;i can even see the logic, 'why would i give half a shit what rngolade to feed to my koch whitenertron'
1746518;1512483302;mircea_popescu;the implication isn't "but instead sat" necessarily. you take this altogether very personally, but there's a good dozen "crypto experts" opining importantly in the comment section there.
1746519;1512483315;asciilifeform;them -- to the oven.
1746520;1512483341;mircea_popescu;well sure.
1746521;1512483411;mircea_popescu;the deeper problem here is that the evolution of warfare has rendered a symmetric cipher useless. for the launch codes or how you call it we're mostly in consensus to use pure rsa, if memory serves, and for the prattle of eg game server, serpent will do.
1746522;1512483428;asciilifeform;as for asciilifeform , he would actually prefer if mircea_popescu shot straight and said 'hell no i won't pay for no stinkin' software', rather than the peculiar ritual of having a contest, then to proclaim the submitters as a whole 'self-indulgent indolent' and then in the end to take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway
1746523;1512483452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is nonsense ; i even paid for you know, legal footwork if you recall.
1746524;1512483481;asciilifeform;was a pittance iirc
1746525;1512483487;mircea_popescu;uh.
1746526;1512483517;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-118024 << 25btc.
1746527;1512483534;asciilifeform;25 btc was substantially easier to come by in 2013.
1746528;1512483537;mircea_popescu;the problem isn't the payinbg. the problem is the workdoing.
1746529;1512483540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was paid in 2016.
1746530;1512483563;asciilifeform;still 'toyota' in 2016.
1746531;1512483590;mircea_popescu;why is this relevant ?
1746532;1512483652;asciilifeform;i suppose if mircea_popescu proclaims that it ain't, then it ain't , what can i say.
1746533;1512483688;mircea_popescu;well i mean... there's an over-time tendency for btc bounties nominal value to decrease and for their fiat value to increase. this is normal, as the item grows.
1746534;1512483705;mircea_popescu;heck, in 2012 or when it was, 10 btc went for http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/
1746535;1512483709;mircea_popescu;2013 it turns out.
1746536;1512483752;asciilifeform;asciilifeform will observe that from all of his various works to date he has made an exact 0 btc.
1746537;1512483805;mircea_popescu;well, you enjoy the freedom to work under your own direction, and a major proportion of all the gains this work produces.
1746538;1512483808;asciilifeform;thought, very briefly, that this might change, so a bit of an облом . is all.
1746539;1512483834;mircea_popescu;the more concerning point is that ~ mircea_popescu ~ has to date made 0 btc out of all the support work he put into asciilifeform 's projects!!!
1746540;1512483868;asciilifeform;could be 0
1746541;1512483877;asciilifeform;or could be >0, depending on whether e.g. having trb around, is worth +
1746542;1512483894;mircea_popescu;i was discussing nsa, as such.
1746543;1512483915;asciilifeform;as such -- mircea_popescu works just as 'for free' as asciilifeform
1746544;1512483940;mircea_popescu;not that i'm particularly concerned, myself. i'm rich enough to not specifically care to monetize work ; trilema can be free for all i care, and i'm more than happy to minor partner with a view to a very long term.
1746545;1512483940;asciilifeform;moar so, given that mircea_popescu is a renowned sharpshooter and costs maxint
1746546;1512483957;mircea_popescu;but this outlook is a luxury, the prime luxury of life, in fact
1746547;1512483965;mircea_popescu;nobody can be obliged to it.
1746548;1512483968;asciilifeform;right.
1746549;1512483995;mircea_popescu;when you think "hey, ima do the right thing, spend two years making ffa" you make some decisions. they're fine and good, inasmuch as they're yours. but to be decisions, they're the choice of something over something else.
1746550;1512484005;mircea_popescu;why облом ? you got exactly what you wanted!
1746551;1512484006;asciilifeform;the choice of it or drink.
1746552;1512484060;mircea_popescu;well no, you could've alternatively delivered eulora-crypto, btmsr cipher, etcetera. evidently hindsight is more informative than foresight, and i'm not even saying you should have or anything.
1746553;1512484088;mircea_popescu;but the man who decides to pursue pure research and is annoyed that industry meanwhile makes money is in a very strange mental space.
1746554;1512484094;asciilifeform;i prefer living friends, to dead. ergo no ersatz cryptos.
1746555;1512484124;mircea_popescu;yes ; but can you appreciate how ffa is a lot more apt for tmsr-rsa than for a simm cipher ?
1746556;1512484144;asciilifeform;in that sense symm cipher is a dead end.
1746557;1512484148;mircea_popescu;quite!
1746558;1512484176;*;asciilifeform bbl, teatime.
1746559;1512484439;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1746560;1512484456;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11840.79, vol: 13273.76661516 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11832.0, vol: 54200.23109602 | Volume-weighted last average: 11833.7292055
1746561;1512484932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so for my own curiosity : considering the choice to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655064 (i recall a more recent mention but search isn't yielding) has cost you over the past YEAR the equivalent of what appears like 118`337 here + whatever the non-delivery of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 would have amounted to (iirc no amt was ever set down ?), are you putting this down to a case of bad managem
1746562;1512484932;a111;Logged on 2017-05-12 03:06 asciilifeform: this type of thing is called 'day job', and it so happens that i already have one
1746563;1512484932;a111;Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since the nsa consulting work for minigame is going to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea to have an ~ada~ tmsr crypto lib.
1746564;1512484932;mircea_popescu;ent of your own time on your part (ie, wasted it in fiatlands instead of using it productively in the republic) ? or is it a case of on the contrary, judicious use of your time ("the republic'd have made me rich but empire made me richer still") ? or is it out and out, deliberately learned helplessness in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744043 (as recurrent throughout logs) ?
1746565;1512484932;a111;Logged on 2017-11-29 04:54 asciilifeform: as it is, asciilifeform couldn't even sell 1 btc in here in usgistan, even if wanted to.
1746566;1512484975;mircea_popescu;or i guess is it the idea that "even had i worked full time, it'd still not have been quite enough" ?
1746567;1512485089;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing six digits is a large enough chunk of change it'd warrant some quite serious examination in any case.
1746568;1512485762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun get it
1746569;1512485990;mircea_popescu;which part ?
1746570;1512485994;asciilifeform;the question
1746571;1512486007;mircea_popescu;well what can i say.
1746572;1512486012;asciilifeform;i could attempt to answer what i ~think~ is the question
1746573;1512486046;asciilifeform;and this answer is, asciilifeform's landlord doesn't take payment in s.nsa ownership shares, only in old-fashioned dubloons. and they're due every single month.
1746574;1512486076;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform is not rich, does not have the option to 'not waste time in fiatland'.
1746575;1512486119;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing the question's not yet ripe for addressing.
1746576;1512486140;mircea_popescu;on which basis i predict there shall be moar облом in the future.
1746577;1512486276;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the "and then in the end to take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway" portion of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746522 : that discussion was mid and then late 2016 ; on dec 2017 i had to direct s.mg tech to CREATE rather than simply use a cripto lib. for this reason i don't wish to pay nsa anything -- it didn't do the work i wanted it to do. it's true that it released a "intangibles and goodwill" sort of
1746578;1512486276;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 14:17 asciilifeform: as for asciilifeform , he would actually prefer if mircea_popescu shot straight and said 'hell no i won't pay for no stinkin' software', rather than the peculiar ritual of having a contest, then to proclaim the submitters as a whole 'self-indulgent indolent' and then in the end to take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway
1746579;1512486276;mircea_popescu;item, which is generically useful, and in exchange it gets paid with the exact sort of intangibles and goodwill these sorts of intellectual leadership moves warrant and generally attract -- for example by s.mg being married to 100% of its product line to date as a deliberate move ; and being very inclined to consider its isp offering when that comes online (is it coming online btw ?) and such things.
1746580;1512486305;mircea_popescu;both the "for honor" and "for money" circuits are functional and actually functioning. needn't be confused randomly.
1746581;1512486371;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746577 << 'create' from thin air ?!
1746582;1512486371;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 15:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, re the "and then in the end to take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway" portion of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746522 : that discussion was mid and then late 2016 ; on dec 2017 i had to direct s.mg tech to CREATE rather than simply use a cripto lib. for this reason i don't wish to pay nsa anything -- it didn't do the work i wanted it to do. it's true that it released a "intangibles and goodwill" sort of
1746583;1512486564;mircea_popescu;from whatever available.
1746584;1512486649;asciilifeform;i dun have any notion that ' mircea_popescu oughta pay for the mpi ' , it was made without any such agreement. ditto the serpent archaeology etc.
1746585;1512486674;mircea_popescu;yes but there's important points there as to how things work.
1746586;1512486704;asciilifeform;and in general i dun expect any of it to be paid for, there is no tradition of any such thing. but i do have the possibly naive expectation of the work not to be shat on.
1746587;1512486720;trinque;who shat?
1746588;1512486733;mircea_popescu;o hey, how was trip trinque
1746589;1512486752;asciilifeform;!#s self indulgent indolence
1746590;1512486752;a111;2 results for "self indulgent indolence", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=self%20indulgent%20indolence
1746591;1512486773;trinque;went very well, thanks! went out to austin with ben_vulpes and another fellow, had a fine time.
1746592;1512486789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not very clear to me how your x=y things work, BUT, if you had told me in 2016 that you intend to delay c-s ada impl by 1-2-n years to wait for ffa i'd have told you symmetric cipher really dun need ffa for any reason and eulora won't wait into 2018 for it etc.
1746593;1512486796;asciilifeform;or for that matter http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746561 aka 'why do you not only take year+ to ffa but why not also do it while living in a tent under a bridge'
1746594;1512486796;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 14:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so for my own curiosity : considering the choice to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655064 (i recall a more recent mention but search isn't yielding) has cost you over the past YEAR the equivalent of what appears like 118`337 here + whatever the non-delivery of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 would have amounted to (iirc no amt was ever set down ?), are you putting this down to a case of bad managem
1746595;1512486840;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're cutting bits and pieces of a thing then hurting self with them as a proof the item was dangerous. item wasn't dangerous as it was, you cut it up into harmful pieces deliberately!
1746596;1512486867;asciilifeform;consider, if i'd have quit day job and counted on mircea_popescu's contest prize to live on, would have starved.
1746597;1512486903;mircea_popescu;why ? quit day job, dedicated to item, delivered late 2016, got prize, had 10 btc moar to name than now. how many btc has dayjob produced ? more ? less ?
1746598;1512486912;asciilifeform;there's a time parameter.
1746599;1512486942;asciilifeform;bills due every month, regardless of won contests or not won.
1746600;1512486953;asciilifeform;this is what being poor means.
1746601;1512486972;mircea_popescu;well, this may well be true, and if it's true it's unfortunate.
1746602;1512486986;mircea_popescu;it does also contradict at least two classes of things you say, so one never knows, but can take word for it.
1746603;1512486992;mircea_popescu;sucks to be poor.
1746604;1512486999;asciilifeform;( could suppose that asciilifeform is poor because idiot, or because lives in socialist paradise, or some combination, orthogonal to discussion )
1746605;1512487012;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what contradicts ?
1746606;1512487099;mircea_popescu;class 1 is actually quoted above, "or is it out and out, deliberately learned helplessness in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744043 (as recurrent throughout logs) ?" ; class 2 is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736269 and so forth.
1746607;1512487099;a111;Logged on 2017-11-29 04:54 asciilifeform: as it is, asciilifeform couldn't even sell 1 btc in here in usgistan, even if wanted to.
1746608;1512487099;a111;Logged on 2017-11-11 16:40 asciilifeform: relatedly, chinese quote 0.88 cents per 1500x sem photo; for 1x1cm die (which is estimate, i dun have an xray machine here) that works out to 1-2k usd for whole thing, depending on how many layers turn up
1746609;1512487122;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where's the contradiction ?
1746610;1512487153;asciilifeform;( ftr the latter estimate turned up to be undershot, discussed in later thread )
1746611;1512487161;mircea_popescu;with class 1 the problem is that you claim bitcoin is not worth money ; with class 2 that you claim to be poor but then engage in the sort of shopping upper-middle class tech people do.
1746612;1512487173;asciilifeform;that's what i meant by poor
1746613;1512487174;mircea_popescu;in general it dun give a very convincing picture of alf-starving-under-bridge.
1746614;1512487183;mircea_popescu;yes but you don't get to randomly redefine words.
1746615;1512487186;asciilifeform;i ~would~ starve under bridge if didn't work in the saeculum
1746616;1512487190;asciilifeform;that's what to me means 'poor'.
1746617;1512487230;asciilifeform;the microscopies, etc are paid for with the fiatola that asciilifeform 'cheated' the beast out of by rejecting mortgagism, 401kism, etc.
1746618;1512487232;trinque;teh splittings. what of splitting time between near-term unprofitable long bets on teh republic and near-term profitable ways to pay the bills.
1746619;1512487256;asciilifeform;trinque: concretize for the thread plox ?
1746620;1512487289;trinque;to date, deedbot made like 0.0002, and so what? it'll make more in the future, and it'll buy more with what it made idem
1746621;1512487307;mircea_popescu;yes but unlike him, you're rich!
1746622;1512487311;trinque;oh oh
1746623;1512487318;asciilifeform;iirc trinque also works in the saeculum.
1746624;1512487344;mircea_popescu;it's not forbidden, you know.
1746625;1512487350;trinque;can fuck whores and ladies with the same cock
1746626;1512487354;mircea_popescu;it only becomes a problem when the argument presented is "i didn't have the time to do x"
1746627;1512487367;trinque;can decide the proportion each day
1746628;1512487372;mircea_popescu;that opens a legitimate inquiry of, well, what didja do with the time.
1746629;1512487379;asciilifeform;ftr i spent more time, hour for hour, on ffa in past yr than among the heathens.
1746630;1512487437;mircea_popescu;if you say i readily believe.
1746631;1512487451;asciilifeform;most of it spent on dead ends.
1746632;1512487458;mircea_popescu;which takes us right back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746566
1746633;1512487458;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 14:42 mircea_popescu: or i guess is it the idea that "even had i worked full time, it'd still not have been quite enough" ?
1746634;1512487472;asciilifeform;enough for what
1746635;1512487488;asciilifeform;entirely possibly enough to get to same place in half the time.
1746636;1512487489;mircea_popescu;for to have delivered the items whose failure deliver you bemoan today.
1746637;1512487507;asciilifeform;that depends on whether goal post would have moved also in half the time, neh.
1746638;1512487532;mircea_popescu;i doubt it'd have changed at any point prior to this month, really.
1746639;1512487543;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu says this -- i'll believe.
1746640;1512487547;mircea_popescu;well, the eulora cripto lib died when i said, iirc last month board meeting\
1746641;1512487771;asciilifeform;now that i think about it, if i were mircea_popescu , ffa would have gone more than simply twice as fast, it takes considerable time to reload the problem into head , after a long dive into the saecular sewers
1746642;1512487774;asciilifeform;but i'm not mircea_popescu .
1746643;1512487878;asciilifeform;saeculum doesn't come with a fine-grained 'exactly how much time do you want to sell' knob. not for programmers, at any rate.
1746644;1512487892;asciilifeform;( iirc this was subject of several old threads )
1746645;1512487899;mircea_popescu;sure.
1746646;1512487901;trinque;so heathen.incorporate and start consulting or something for 3x rate
1746647;1512487920;asciilifeform;trinque: i tried this, and nearly went broke.
1746648;1512487938;asciilifeform;asciilifeforms not in demand.
1746649;1512487946;mircea_popescu;trinque part of the problem is that fellow is ~hurt puppy, has a lot of misadventurous baggage / unfortunate experience.
1746650;1512487962;trinque;sure, I went broke like five times in last decade
1746651;1512487980;mircea_popescu;the importance of well chosen women, huh.
1746652;1512487988;trinque;lol, and how!
1746653;1512487989;asciilifeform;there was a thread, where asciilifeform described how more than once he took a major open problem, and actually solved, and as result went broke.
1746654;1512488026;trinque;mostly though, was dumping it into a knob to adjust time spent in saeculum
1746655;1512488029;asciilifeform;( again i have nfi whether because-idiot, or because-socialisms, or some combo of both. )
1746656;1512488030;mircea_popescu;i recall something with robotic microscopy
1746657;1512488039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: robotic liquid handling.
1746658;1512488044;mircea_popescu;right
1746659;1512488088;asciilifeform;then there was another episode, a few yrs ago, with automatic reversing of winblowz exes. that time several friends went broke ~with~ asciilifeform .
1746660;1512488121;mircea_popescu;outside of you two (admitting this is what trinque meant) i know of no people who went into consulting and lost money.
1746661;1512488142;trinque;nah, I started up a thing, feeds me to this day
1746662;1512488156;trinque;was saying I was willing to starve, then eat beans, then
1746663;1512488156;asciilifeform;it is very easy, rent still due even if 0 takers.
1746664;1512488199;mircea_popescu;amusingly, i also went broke numerous times, but with me it was just money.
1746665;1512488208;asciilifeform;evidently trinque is considerably better at what he does, than i am, this is not really disputable
1746666;1512488233;trinque;nah, only asciilifeform wants to eat from higher minded things
1746667;1512488251;asciilifeform;trinque: you would barf an entire barrel if you saw what i eat from.
1746668;1512488419;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the world of the mysterious and unexplained, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18396
1746669;1512488437;asciilifeform;!#s the confusion of ideas such a question
1746670;1512488438;a111;7 results for "the confusion of ideas such a question", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=the%20confusion%20of%20ideas%20such%20a%20question
1746671;1512488464;mircea_popescu;lol wtf
1746672;1512488469;asciilifeform;ikr?
1746673;1512488470;mircea_popescu;prolly meant add.
1746674;1512488481;asciilifeform;if he meant add : what then did he read instead of the article
1746675;1512488482;mircea_popescu;there's this add-xor-roll-drop-andfuckyourmother step in ciphers
1746676;1512488488;asciilifeform;which is almost entirely about handling overflow
1746677;1512488506;asciilifeform;xor is really same thing as add but without the carries
1746678;1512488512;mircea_popescu;quite, yes.
1746679;1512488520;asciilifeform;( kindergarten!11 )
1746680;1512489345;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: xor op is a commonly seen element of cargocultisms aha
1746681;1512489370;asciilifeform;seems to be an item that 'feels magic' to the semiliterate folk
1746682;1512489428;mircea_popescu;incidentally, discussion in teh very harem suggests to me that perhaps the word's misunderstood.
1746683;1512489432;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do you think indolence means ?
1746684;1512489444;asciilifeform;1 of the 'seven sins' neh
1746685;1512489454;mircea_popescu;hm. do you know how to say "mourning" in romanian ?
1746686;1512489495;asciilifeform;doliu ?
1746687;1512489498;mircea_popescu;yes.
1746688;1512489504;asciilifeform;gotta be falsecognate neh
1746689;1512489506;mircea_popescu;and how do you communicate your compassion to the bereaved ?
1746690;1512489532;mircea_popescu;(english word, i mean)
1746691;1512489533;asciilifeform;or hm, 'condolence'
1746692;1512489557;mircea_popescu;condoleances, yes. and how do you petition an authority ? you present a list of ... ?
1746693;1512489571;asciilifeform;grievance ?
1746694;1512489581;mircea_popescu;alternatively, doleances. how do you say painful in english ?
1746695;1512489617;asciilifeform;iirc engl. 'indolence' orig. 'insensitive to pain'
1746696;1512489626;mircea_popescu;dolorous.
1746697;1512489629;asciilifeform;aha
1746698;1512489634;mircea_popescu;and yes, indolence -> painlesness.
1746699;1512489643;asciilifeform;right, 'like brick'
1746700;1512489654;mircea_popescu;which is how it got to (metaphorically) denote superlative laziness : because "so lazy not even hunger will stir", as per that "hung, father, hung".
1746701;1512489661;asciilifeform;aha, it
1746702;1512489730;asciilifeform;i dun see any confusion tho. in fact is why asciilifeform took exception : he is not the least insensitive to pain, but chained to this-here mountain side, and not in a position to avoid the eagle.
1746703;1512489775;mircea_popescu;is this so ?
1746704;1512489856;asciilifeform;is compact description, but yes.
1746705;1512489885;mircea_popescu;well that sucks.
1746706;1512489890;asciilifeform;verily.
1746707;1512491738;ben_vulpes;wow Real America is a hell of a place
1746708;1512491763;ben_vulpes;big titties, friendly broads, women who embrace femininity...
1746709;1512491827;ben_vulpes;apparently impossible to know you wasted your life in the wrong armpit of the world until you visit five others, disabuse self of "everything is equivalently terrible"
1746710;1512492109;ben_vulpes;that said Real America entails far more time with ass in car than i have patience for.
1746711;1512492339;*;ben_vulpes waves at trinque from home battlestation
1746712;1512492359;trinque;hey hey
1746713;1512492368;trinque;y'know at least when you drive a tank around they get out of the way.
1746714;1512492440;ben_vulpes;true also in communistan, visceral fear of large things in rearview apparently universal. i grew up driving a "suburban", aka "urban assault vehicle"; know full well joys of operating twuk
1746715;1512492443;ben_vulpes;"what median?!"
1746716;1512493138;mircea_popescu;word.
1746717;1512493272;shinohai;http://archive.is/W1aIA "the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) has launched a logo to reassure readers that they are being protected from fake news."
1746718;1512493278;shinohai;A LOGO
1746719;1512493285;shinohai;I'm so saphe now.
1746720;1512493503;mircea_popescu;the sheer idiocy.
1746721;1512493523;mircea_popescu;i hope it's in the shape of a T overimposed over a W. because obviously.
1746722;1512493572;mircea_popescu;"Trigger Warning : you are now venturing into the dangerous waters of publications that do not extend the Clinton-Won-2016-election fanfic." Get me outta here!!!
1746723;1512493610;asciilifeform;that logo existed already , when asciilifeform was a boy : https://rian.com.ua/images/37211/68/372116852.jpg
1746724;1512493628;asciilifeform;( for extra truthiness, 4 of'em !! )
1746725;1512493657;mircea_popescu;just in case it needed to go to truthcon 4 ?
1746726;1512493663;asciilifeform;aaha.
1746727;1512493673;mircea_popescu;truth CON. see what i did there ? :D
1746728;1512493761;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the world of quislings ( found via asciilifeform's bl0g referlog, no less ) -- https://www.calyxinstitute.org/about/board << rogue's gallery of tor people, and even... 'riseup'
1746729;1512493764;asciilifeform;#!s riseup
1746730;1512493769;asciilifeform;!#s riseup
1746731;1512493770;a111;26 results for "riseup", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=riseup
1746732;1512493834;asciilifeform;featuring such honeytraps as a 'Encrypted Internet Peering Project' , 'Secure Broadband Research Testbed' , 'Security & Privacy Focused Mobile Telephony Research' , 'XMPP End-to-End Encryption Standards Development' , etc
1746733;1512493873;asciilifeform;i'd naively imagine theyd've retired and 'unhappened' the name 'riseup' after where it appears in thel0gz.
1746734;1512493881;asciilifeform;ditto debian.
1746735;1512493925;asciilifeform;' In 2010, after winning a partial release from the gag order, Nick founded The Calyx Institute – a non-profit organization whose goal is to reform the Telecommunications industry with regard to privacy and freedom of expression. Nick has spoken in the Rayburn House Office Building in Washington DC before the 2010 Congressional class, at the Personal Democracy Forum'
1746736;1512493958;asciilifeform;'Kobi Snitz ... Early in his undergraduate studies in the early 1990's, Kobi has been introduced to the fundamental questions of computer science. These range from questions of computability and the future of computing to questions about computers and society'
1746737;1512493969;asciilifeform;'Micah Anderson is the co-founder of RiseUp Networks and has been a Unix system administrator for more than a decade. Micah is also a tech activist working on free software, media activism and corralling servers to create grassroots democratic...'
1746738;1512494004;asciilifeform;'Carey Shenkman is an attorney specializing in human rights ... Yugoslav International Tribunal ... graduated from New York University School of Law, where he served as an editor of the NYU Law Review' ahahahahahaha
1746739;1512494010;asciilifeform;^ for perma-record.
1746740;1512494073;asciilifeform;https://www.calyxinstitute.org/about/advisory_panel << even moar 'win', includes for instance a 'Brian Snow joined the National Security Agency in 1971 where he became a cryptologic designer and security systems architect. Brian spent his first 20 years at NSA doing and directing research that developed cryptographic components and secure systems. ...'
1746741;1512494144;asciilifeform;and 'Ian Clarke is the founder and coordinator of the Freenet Project...' << single-handed judas goat and jailer of who knows how many idjits who thought they were 'communicating seekoorely'
1746742;1512494164;asciilifeform;and... Laura Poitras.
1746743;1512494174;asciilifeform;holy fuq the sheer number of boecks in one box.
1746744;1512494184;asciilifeform;i had nfi there had been such a box.
1746745;1512494196;asciilifeform;and 'bitcoin accepted here.'
1746746;1512494304;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/qbVyU << they have an artful cheat that pretends page simply never existed when archive.is reads it.
1746747;1512494318;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xajDy/?raw=true << plain txt snapshot.
1746748;1512494336;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kr8Cr/?raw=true << same for the 1st link.
1746749;1512494404;asciilifeform;and ahahahaha they have a... product !! with membership in their bitcoinfoun^H^H^H^H^H^H^ation, https://www.calyxinstitute.org/membership , you get... a magic gsm modem that logsyerpack^H^H^HH^H^Hprotectsyerpriva^H^H^H^whatever.
1746750;1512494436;asciilifeform;'The Calyx Institute is registered and files an annual report with the Charities Bureau in the office of the New York State Attorney General'
1746751;1512494440;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1746752;1512494450;asciilifeform;( http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/j27Jm/?raw=true )
1746753;1512494478;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/np5TU/?raw=true << 'education missions'
1746754;1512494499;asciilifeform;this is prolly more than enuff material for the nurembers, i'ma stop here.
1746755;1512494503;asciilifeform;*the nuremberg
1746756;1512494607;asciilifeform;to round it up , summary re 'riseup' : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537389 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525131 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-04#1360000 , elsewhere.
1746757;1512494607;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 17:21 asciilifeform: in other noose, remember the 'riseup' derpatron? the one with the, what, dozen phuctur pops ? well, https://archive.is/PEVaX
1746758;1512494607;a111;Logged on 2016-08-19 13:51 asciilifeform: https://pad.riseup.net/p/87Mazw3Jsdfe_pm/timeslider#11 << multistory lul tower. for instance, i had no idea what is 'riseup' until its pgp keys began to pop.
1746759;1512494607;a111;Logged on 2016-01-04 13:52 mircea_popescu: * Tomiii (~Tommiii@garza.riseup.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets << lolwut.
1746760;1512494627;asciilifeform;+ http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459571 .
1746761;1512494627;a111;Logged on 2016-04-30 01:34 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'randomnoize (Tor relay operator) ; randomnoize (Tor relay operator) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542
1746762;1512494724;shinohai;lol riseup i thought that hippy shit was ded
1746763;1512494785;asciilifeform;ftmeade serves up same pisswine in new bottle after new bottle, 4evah
1746764;1512494840;asciilifeform;and apparently these particular derps read the l0gz every fucking day, in search of what to steal and what to boeck over.
1746765;1512494877;asciilifeform;( may be redundant sentence, it isn't as if they had any other use for which to steal )
1746766;1512494911;shinohai;"garza"
1746767;1512494913;shinohai;hue
1746768;1512494915;asciilifeform;aha.
1746769;1512494930;asciilifeform;who knows whether 'shakespeare, or a man by the same name' but still.
1746770;1512495507;asciilifeform;muchly upstack , http://trilema.com/2011/nu-mai-faceti-upgrade-la-nimic-niciodata from earlier mircea_popescu thread is a good read.
1746771;1512495555;asciilifeform;for bonus lulz ( was this intentional, mircea_popescu ? ) the example proggy, 'opera', is a closed turd
1746772;1512495588;asciilifeform;( and since replaced with a ~different~ closed turd, when they threw out the hand-asm or what was it that norwegian ministry of telecom wrote, and replaced with crapple's engine )
1746773;1512495702;asciilifeform;quoting mircea_popescu's comment for the permal0gz : 'Eu nu ma consider un programator, ca am alta meserie. Sa zicem ca sunt un programator amator. Dar chiar si asa, programator amator cum ma gasesc tot am scris citeva zeci de mii de linii de cod in viata asta. Din care minim zece mii pentru web. Vrei sa-ti spun o chestie ? N-am avut niciodata in nici un caz nicicind gauri de securitate in ele. Niciodata. Noa de ce crezi tu ? Am avut
1746774;1512495703;asciilifeform; noroc ? Poate ca am avut noroc. Sau poate ca am scris cod corect, e si asta o alternativa. A programa masini numerice nu este o activitate inductiva, nu ne jucam de-a programarea, nu facem chestii "sa vedem ce se intimpla". Programarea este o activitate deductiva ... '
1746775;1512495711;asciilifeform;i.e. 'how about fitsinhead'
1746776;1512496034;asciilifeform;( lessee if i properly ate & shat, 'i do not consider myself a programmer, for i have another craft. let's say i am an amateur programmer. and yet though i am an amateur, i find myself having written tens of thou. of loc in this-here life. and at least a min of 10k loc for web. but wanna hear sumthing ? never have i created a security hole in any. never. do you suppose i simply had good luck ? possibly luck. or possibly i wrote the c
1746777;1512496034;asciilifeform;orrect code! consider that alternative. programming digitalmachines is not an inductive activity, we do not play-pretend at programming, we do not 'let's see what happens' . programming is a ~deductive~ activity...' )
1746778;1512496135;asciilifeform;whole commentthread lulzy.
1746779;1512497236;ben_vulpes;in other racewarz: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/ugly-election-between-white-black-candidates-atlanta-mayor-n826236
1746780;1512497286;asciilifeform;'The candidates in Tuesday's runoff election for the city's next mayor are both women, both city council members, and both tout support for progressive policies. One is black, the other is white.' << lol so paint the unpainted one, problemsolved!1111!!
1746781;1512497330;asciilifeform;'"There's no way on earth that the city that raised Dr. King … is going to allow ourselves to go backwards," said City Councilman Kwanza Hall.'
1746782;1512497487;ben_vulpes;dontchaknow, whitefolxareevil
1746783;1512497512;ben_vulpes;see also
1746784;1512497514;ben_vulpes; https://nypost.com/2017/11/27/nurse-loses-job-over-post-suggesting-sons-of-white-women-be-sacrificed/
1746785;1512497597;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ogLAM << lulgem from same rag as ben_vulpes's link, 'People keep finding hidden cameras in their Airbnbs'
1746786;1512497718;ben_vulpes;pahaha
1746787;1512498183;asciilifeform;incidentally i cannot resist to ask ben_vulpes , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746707 , what is so 'real' about walmartistan ?
1746788;1512498183;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 16:35 ben_vulpes: wow Real America is a hell of a place
1746789;1512498207;ben_vulpes;oh did the sarcasm not come through?
1746790;1512498214;asciilifeform;wasn't sure
1746791;1512498232;asciilifeform;was vaguely implied that it was a worthy place
1746792;1512498246;ben_vulpes;i don't capitalize casually, asciilifeform
1746793;1512498264;asciilifeform;i assumed was simply standard 'teutonic' capitalization, lol
1746794;1512498307;asciilifeform;die Maschinen mogen nicht gefingerpoken und mittengrabben... etc
1746795;1512498345;ben_vulpes;ah haha nono, i'd have strung together a LeverforholdingElevatorTrimAdjustmentMechanisminplacifier together in that case
1746796;1512498383;asciilifeform;english folx laugh at these but there isn't a way to even say them in eng.
1746797;1512498397;asciilifeform;consider who oughta be laughing at whom.
1746798;1512498431;ben_vulpes;years though it has been since i spent any significant time speaking/reading delang i still do not laugh
1746799;1512498447;trinque;what great difference does it make whether the notation spaces the words or not
1746800;1512498454;asciilifeform;asciilifeform ends up emitting things like 'constantspacetimeexponentiator' and he isn't even a german.
1746801;1512498458;trinque;guaranteed the folks reading de are still identifying individual words in the wads
1746802;1512498470;asciilifeform;trinque: it makes a difference, makes tree parsable out
1746803;1512498477;asciilifeform;rather than burying it under the compounds
1746804;1512498772;trinque;if the tree were present it wouldn't be written in a line ltr, not that I argue against the usefulness of being able to synthesize new words.
1746805;1512498792;trinque;tree (or graph really) is still in my noggin
1746806;1512498859;asciilifeform;right, but to put it there costs slightly more.
1746807;1512498882;asciilifeform;and langs without LeverforholdingElevatorTrimAdjustmentMechanisminplacifier tend to get encrusted with abbrev crud, annoyingly.
1746808;1512498970;*;trinque should be better about making a point rather than implying one
1746809;1512498997;trinque;which was, can and should do so in english
1746810;1512499003;trinque;who's stopping?
1746811;1512499156;*;trinque goes to find warmhungerstoppingsustenancewads
1746812;1512499258;ben_vulpes;charmingbutunsavvysomedaybrotherinlaw
1746813;1512499644;ben_vulpes;> these crytpo-collectibles are also gender-fluid, able to play the role of either the "dame" or the "sire" when bred
1746814;1512499649;ben_vulpes;http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42237162
1746815;1512499662;ben_vulpes;lolcats makin scaling hard for buterin and co
1746816;1512499679;ben_vulpes;but, you know, "child pr0n in teh blockchain!"
1746817;1512499985;asciilifeform;'At the time of writing, the median, or mid-range, price of a CryptoKitty is approximately $23.06 (£17.19), according to Crypto Kitty Sales. The game's top cat brought in $117,712.12 (£87,686.11) when it sold on Saturday, 2 December.'
1746818;1512500049;asciilifeform;this, i suppose, is the 'industry' in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746553
1746819;1512500049;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 14:28 mircea_popescu: but the man who decides to pursue pure research and is annoyed that industry meanwhile makes money is in a very strange mental space.
1746820;1512500452;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746367 << seems to be back.
1746821;1512500452;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 10:31 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://lurkmore.to/ is now dead ?
1746822;1512501696;asciilifeform;meanwhile, orlol does btc, in his own way... https://cluborlov.blogspot.ru/2017/12/cryptomania.html
1746823;1512501844;asciilifeform;( almost total rip off http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 , with 'shit bolted on the side' )
1746824;1512502314;asciilifeform;or perhaps moar fairly, rip of http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/04/on-monetary-restandardization.html , http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/01/how-bitcoin-dies.html , and one other yarvin that i've misplaced
1746825;1512502405;asciilifeform;representative sample, 'bloodsucking bankers and governments are unlikely to be defeated by an algorithm, no matter how clever, because they use far less technical means to enforce their interests: security agencies, criminal investigators and prosecutors, tax auditors, courts and prisons'
1746826;1512502415;asciilifeform;'has become a magnet for drug dealers, narcotraffickers, human traffickers, hackers/extortionists and other bad actors. If you use Bitcoin, you automatically end up on the radar of those who hunt for them'
1746827;1512502429;asciilifeform;'if some government decides that Bitcoin is not its friend, it can simply ask you, nicely at first, to relinquish your cyberwallet to it. I doubt that too many of the Saudi princes that were recently disencumbered of much of their net worth while being tortured by Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh ended up playing coy '
1746828;1512502434;ben_vulpes;drug dealers and narcotraffickers? omai
1746829;1512502449;asciilifeform;and for the gold medal, 'Worse yet, if a government decides that Bitcoin is its friend, it can ask, nicely at first, that all Bitcoin transactions be disclosed to it in a timely manner, complete with the tax ID of the party at each end of every transaction. This would be a clever way for a government to shift to using digital cash without having to pay for any of it. All it would have to do is order “compliance”; Bitcoin’s deve
1746830;1512502450;asciilifeform;lopers would then have to bring their architecture into compliance or risk prosecution for noncompliance. '
1746831;1512502479;asciilifeform;also includes obligatory discussion of shitcoin-of-the-day ( in orlol's case, 'cryptokitties' ) as if they were bitcoin.
1746832;1512504164;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GF20z/?raw=true << asciilifeform's comment, preserved in amber, given as orlol has a 5+ yr habit of deleting ideologically impure
1746833;1512504447;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1746834;1512504453;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11750.27, vol: 12545.61808684 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11706.0, vol: 54186.59222724 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11755.0, vol: 3593.74944715 | Volume-weighted last average: 11716.4013971
1746835;1512504496;asciilifeform;apparently no concentration camps until 12000.00 , is the orlolidea.
1746836;1512504518;asciilifeform;( or 13 ..? which ? )
1746837;1512505061;asciilifeform;'TheTeddyboy46 said... Virtual Kittens? Now I know Cryptocurrencies are a Scam.' << didjaknow.
1746838;1512505084;asciilifeform;oblig Falkvinge and even Kaiser links.
1746839;1512505114;asciilifeform;even managed to squeeze in the usual spiel re 'physical utility of gold'
1746840;1512505154;asciilifeform;pretty great, apparently d00d blessed with eternal youth, evidently perma-stuck in 2012-14 somewhere.
1746841;1512508020;mircea_popescu;and in other scary things, https://fetlife.com/users/7995439
1746842;1512508089;ben_vulpes;"Sorry my friend, you need to be logged in..."
1746843;1512508094;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746736 << pretty cool. a course in vagueness...
1746844;1512508094;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 17:12 asciilifeform: 'Kobi Snitz ... Early in his undergraduate studies in the early 1990's, Kobi has been introduced to the fundamental questions of computer science. These range from questions of computability and the future of computing to questions about computers and society'
1746845;1512508260;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes https://archive.is/KPpjG/660aa5f6da2780d4a0d5f89f4994708fa6455aec.jpg
1746846;1512508280;mircea_popescu;the caption reads "your favourite slut is back", if that helps anything.
1746847;1512508316;ben_vulpes;can't unsee
1746848;1512508329;ben_vulpes;!!up apeloyee
1746849;1512508330;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1746850;1512508333;mircea_popescu;not favourite ?
1746851;1512508353;ben_vulpes;n-noooo
1746852;1512508381;mircea_popescu;no one could have predicted.
1746853;1512508503;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745606 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745647 ; but you probably guessed already.
1746854;1512508503;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 22:00 mircea_popescu: !~later tell apeloyee hey, do you want a job working for minigame ?
1746855;1512508503;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 22:17 mircea_popescu: "oh but mp... really... i can't do anything, not usefully, not well, not within pre-glacial timeframes, not... not..."
1746856;1512508527;mircea_popescu;aite.
1746857;1512508701;apeloyee;I'd like to ask asciilifeform to document the parameter ordering convention in ffa. chapter 1 is straightforward, but the various shifts posted earlier seemed to have their parameters in order which I don't understand.
1746858;1512508703;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746771 << as opposed to what exactly "open" turd out there ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1746024 ? or what precisely are we comparing to here. openbios ? name the standard "open".
1746859;1512508703;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 17:39 asciilifeform: for bonus lulz ( was this intentional, mircea_popescu ? ) the example proggy, 'opera', is a closed turd
1746860;1512508703;a111;Logged on 2017-12-03 23:41 asciilifeform: re gcc, recall also that it's been put on the usg hitlist, they would like to lead it to a level of dysfunction that will have naive folx welcoming its shooting behind the shed and replacement with Officially blessed clang-llvm
1746861;1512508975;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746777 << quite, yes.
1746862;1512508975;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 17:47 asciilifeform: orrect code! consider that alternative. programming digitalmachines is not an inductive activity, we do not play-pretend at programming, we do not 'let's see what happens' . programming is a ~deductive~ activity...' )
1746863;1512509013;ben_vulpes;apeloyee: can also reference them by name in ada; i personally hate positional args
1746864;1512509045;apeloyee;but ffa itself, from what I've seen, does not do that.
1746865;1512509147;ben_vulpes;i will admit to still attempting to fit in head the deduction of carry and borrow algo
1746866;1512509205;apeloyee;what part?
1746867;1512509360;ben_vulpes;working out the full adder; i did verify a bunch of the proof table, and then figured that since i have such a tenuous grasp on the subject matter i should do everything asciilifeform recommended.
1746868;1512509421;ben_vulpes;i also need to understand/fit in head/convince myself of the line re "extends to any N bit register".
1746869;1512509513;ben_vulpes;my personal handicaps are neither here nor there, though
1746870;1512509552;apeloyee;I'm still curious what gcd there will be. I admit defeat regarding the binary GCD I posted earlier - after trying to make an extended GCD out of it, it ballooned to 100+ LOC, and it doesn't work. Meaning it doesn't fit in head... (BTW the orginal code snipped I posted has a mux which always picks wrong input)
1746871;1512509626;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746781 << motherfucker. allowing idiots by the name kwanza indoors is ALREADY THE PROBLEM.
1746872;1512509626;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 18:08 asciilifeform: '"There's no way on earth that the city that raised Dr. King … is going to allow ourselves to go backwards," said City Councilman Kwanza Hall.'
1746873;1512509644;mircea_popescu;here's a new atlanta city bylaw : if your name is "kwanza" you go in the pens with the other barn animals.
1746874;1512509650;mircea_popescu;want to go indoors, get a people name.
1746875;1512509672;mircea_popescu;!!up irene_yvonne
1746876;1512509672;deedbot;irene_yvonne voiced for 30 minutes.
1746877;1512509746;ben_vulpes;well, irene_yvonne, who's your daddy and what does he do?
1746878;1512509755;irene_yvonne;hi! we're two friends who saw your article here---> http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
1746879;1512509782;mircea_popescu;is one friend irene and the other friend yvonne ?
1746880;1512509825;irene_yvonne;yes it is!
1746881;1512509850;mod6;nice
1746882;1512509861;mircea_popescu;cool. so write b28052e6 on irene and e65280b2 on yvonne.
1746883;1512509864;irene_yvonne;is there any extra credit for one pic with two girls? we also have a cute bitcoin poster
1746884;1512509871;mircea_popescu;check it out, ENDIAN TITS!
1746885;1512509880;mircea_popescu;irene_yvonne do one each, what's to keep you.
1746886;1512509932;*;mircea_popescu takes this opportunity to point out to trinque that LO! (and also... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746368 )
1746887;1512509932;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 10:39 mircea_popescu: trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/C0G3d/?raw=true
1746888;1512510288;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746857 << plz to be very very specific ? link to specific lines, using http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/
1746889;1512510288;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 21:18 apeloyee: I'd like to ask asciilifeform to document the parameter ordering convention in ffa. chapter 1 is straightforward, but the various shifts posted earlier seemed to have their parameters in order which I don't understand.
1746890;1512510292;asciilifeform;apeloyee ^
1746891;1512510347;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746870 << it will be in 8th or possibly 9th chapter, per current plan. so stay tuned.
1746892;1512510347;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 21:32 apeloyee: I'm still curious what gcd there will be. I admit defeat regarding the binary GCD I posted earlier - after trying to make an extended GCD out of it, it ballooned to 100+ LOC, and it doesn't work. Meaning it doesn't fit in head... (BTW the orginal code snipped I posted has a mux which always picks wrong input)
1746893;1512510361;asciilifeform;from this point on i'ma not spoil it.
1746894;1512510407;asciilifeform;in other lulz, somewhat surprisingly orlov posted asciilifeform's comment , http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/12/cryptomania.html?showComment=1512503962841#c7729874167721735094
1746895;1512510524;mircea_popescu;eh, still rehashing the http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ moldbug talking points ? what is he, 3rd hand pinoy, they only let him have the dead leads ?
1746896;1512510538;asciilifeform;apparently frozen 4evah in year 2013.
1746897;1512510597;mircea_popescu;in this bitcoinarry bit ross, mr levine orlov doesn't get the GOOD leads.
1746898;1512510632;asciilifeform;( even the typical ru chitchatosphere plankton has advanced from 2013 'sooner or later gas for all' to a 2014 state of the art 'the lizards use btc themselves, hence slow gas' or even a 2015 'lolcatcoin-of-the-future will sink errything as it tanks' etc
1746899;1512510634;asciilifeform;)
1746900;1512510718;mircea_popescu;yeah, so much nonsense available to choose from, why dress from the 2013 dumb store.
1746901;1512510728;asciilifeform;the 'grandmothers sew gold coin into underwear' touch is a bone thrown to his current 'anarchoprimitivist'-flavour-of-dumb readership
1746902;1512510761;apeloyee;i also need to understand/fit in head/convince myself of the line re "extends to any N bit register". << schoolbook addition method shows that the MSB and carry-out depend only on MSB of operands and the carry-in to the most significant place; the carry-in can be derived from result's MSB and the summand's (as their sum modulo 2, aka xor), thus the register width doesn't matter
1746903;1512510786;asciilifeform;( declared warmism permanently cemented orlov into this company , as typical clitler voter, the other major warmist demographic, tends not to read collapse bl0gz )
1746904;1512510806;apeloyee;plz to be very very specific << chapter 1 is no problem.
1746905;1512510809;asciilifeform;apeloyee: let's work the whole thing here
1746906;1512510819;asciilifeform;take two registers, let's write each from eldest bit to youngest:
1746907;1512510841;asciilifeform;a........{finitely many bits of whatever value}......
1746908;1512510843;asciilifeform;b........{finitely many bits of whatever value}......
1746909;1512510859;asciilifeform;registers X and Y respectively.
1746910;1512510867;apeloyee;asciilifeform: *I* understand.
1746911;1512510877;asciilifeform;so let's write for ben_vulpes et al.
1746912;1512510883;asciilifeform;apologies in advance for log clutter.
1746913;1512510885;asciilifeform;X = a........{finitely many bits of whatever value}...... ; Y = a........{finitely many bits of whatever value}......
1746914;1512510908;asciilifeform;grrrrr X = a........{finitely many bits of whatever value}...... ; Y = b........{finitely many bits of whatever value}......
1746915;1512510941;asciilifeform;carry of X + Y or borrow of X - Y depends on the carry-out of a + b + carry_in , or a - b - borrow_in, respectively.
1746916;1512510967;asciilifeform;i'll expand if ben_vulpes says he wants expansion.
1746917;1512510971;asciilifeform;apeloyee: where then is problem
1746918;1512510979;asciilifeform;re argument notation
1746919;1512511012;asciilifeform;i've been thinking about abolishing function overloading in ffa. ( there is apparently even a pragma for cementing it )
1746920;1512511039;asciilifeform;i've begun to suspect that overloadism is unhealthy, fundamentally.
1746921;1512511067;apeloyee;there was in the old pastes, for example, one procedure FZ_ShiftLeft_O taking 5 arguments, how did you choose thier order?
1746922;1512511069;asciilifeform;and the savings of text 'kilogrammage' -- not worth it.
1746923;1512511105;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746785 << i don't get what the fuck ELSE did they imagine it's for ? normal people taking tramps in for a fuck&suck say so. that they don't say so just means they're WEIRD, it doesn't mean "it ain't gonna occur". a tramp's a tramp, a thing, like a hammer, with a proper usage implicit. aaanyway.
1746924;1512511105;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 18:13 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ogLAM << lulgem from same rag as ben_vulpes's link, 'People keep finding hidden cameras in their Airbnbs'
1746925;1512511120;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746799 << faster read. spaces fundamental improvement, like wheel.
1746926;1512511120;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 18:27 trinque: what great difference does it make whether the notation spaces the words or not
1746927;1512511130;asciilifeform;apeloyee: it went like this,   (OF_in    : in  WBool; N        : in  FZ; ShiftedN : out FZ; Count    : in  WBit_Index; Overflow : out Word)
1746928;1512511210;asciilifeform;'O' stood for 'outputoverflow'. which in turn was exactly same as FZ_Shift_Left_I , which permitted only ~input~ of overflow; which in turn was otherwise identical to FZ_ShiftLeft, which permitted neither.
1746929;1512511258;apeloyee;are those gone now?
1746930;1512511267;asciilifeform;they are not yet reintroduced.
1746931;1512511322;asciilifeform;this is sadly an instance of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745589 , apeloyee : if i can't compactly mark the carry-in and/or carry-out as unreferenced , the compiler shits forth unusably slow bin.
1746932;1512511322;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 18:08 asciilifeform: diana_coman: you do have a point , though, an ffa that is an ideal mathematical description of every relevant bound, would look slightly different from the ffa i actually have, that has to actually run on idjit cmachine iron in something like real time.
1746933;1512511334;asciilifeform;( in places where indeed it is unreferenced. )
1746934;1512511342;asciilifeform;so some way of doing so, is forced.
1746935;1512511356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly, i had no idea what the argument PRO overloading was.
1746936;1512511365;asciilifeform;i picked the variant where there are 3 variants of each shifter ( not counting the secret-shift , made per apeloyee's method )
1746937;1512511452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not really sure. iirc i only had it in 1 place, (not yet introduced in tutorial) , where the 'add' has an incarnation that accepts a single WBool to add instead of a whole fz
1746938;1512511476;asciilifeform;i.e. gated-incrementor
1746939;1512511486;mircea_popescu;if your problem is that you want fuck(brunette) and fuck(redhead) to be pretty much the same thing, how about calling it fuck_brunette() and fuck_redhead() instead.
1746940;1512511497;apeloyee; made per apeloyee's method  << lol it's simply a standard barrel shifter done in software
1746941;1512511503;asciilifeform;apeloyee: right
1746942;1512511510;asciilifeform;sorta has to be.
1746943;1512511515;asciilifeform;whole of ffa, in fact,
1746944;1512511520;asciilifeform;is a cpu's alu 'done in software'
1746945;1512511525;asciilifeform;as observed in the end of ch.1.
1746946;1512511699;ben_vulpes;fuck_brunette(cunt), fuck_redhead(cunt)
1746947;1512511699;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746818 << no, this is the lohotry.
1746948;1512511699;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 18:54 asciilifeform: this, i suppose, is the 'industry' in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746553
1746949;1512511736;ben_vulpes;question then arises, how do you know from cunt alone whether to fuck a la brunette or redhead
1746950;1512511782;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746820 << https://archive.is/lurkmore.to extensive outage. maybe time to mirror it.
1746951;1512511782;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 19:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746367 << seems to be back.
1746952;1512511784;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is exactly industry tho -- lolcats delivered on-spec, timely , and exactly as the purchasers ordered !111
1746953;1512511796;mircea_popescu;nah. you're just bitter.
1746954;1512511819;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes supposedly redheads are more sensitive.
1746955;1512511823;asciilifeform;to be fair i did not order lolcat. perhaps -- not on time, not to spec, not satisfied users.
1746956;1512511855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's 100% 3rd world whorefare / niunamenos-ism : here's what you can have, pick.
1746957;1512511870;mircea_popescu;!#s "make my own holes"
1746958;1512511870;a111;5 results for "\"make my own holes\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22make%20my%20own%20holes%22
1746959;1512511906;mircea_popescu;lulzy : between feb 14 and may 15 the price dropped 90%.
1746960;1512511908;asciilifeform;and yet -- supposing the numbers have any relation to reality -- it earned moar than all of asciilifeform's creations summed together.
1746961;1512511918;asciilifeform;( earned for the peddler, that is )
1746962;1512511939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform didn't we do that thing about young male's "business wet dreams" ?
1746963;1512511943;asciilifeform;possibly
1746964;1512511958;mircea_popescu;i think ~every businessman in luxor center for businessmen made moar than all my creations summed together also.
1746965;1512511981;asciilifeform;if one were to believe their plaquards -- then yes
1746966;1512511986;asciilifeform;but in this case i meant , in reality.
1746967;1512511999;mircea_popescu;actually... i don't think. i... know! http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811
1746968;1512512022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what portion of this dogecoin is reality ?
1746969;1512512038;asciilifeform;i'll be the first to admit that i haven't the faintest idea.
1746970;1512512066;asciilifeform;but it isn't beyond the realm of the plausible that the sc4mz0r actually got to take home 100k usd, say.
1746971;1512512070;asciilifeform;or whatever was claimed.
1746972;1512512088;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746825 << very fucking lulzy. "zulus are unlikely to be mowed down by machine gun, no matter rate of fire, because THEY ARE REAL MEN"
1746973;1512512088;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 19:33 asciilifeform: representative sample, 'bloodsucking bankers and governments are unlikely to be defeated by an algorithm, no matter how clever, because they use far less technical means to enforce their interests: security agencies, criminal investigators and prosecutors, tax auditors, courts and prisons'
1746974;1512512089;mircea_popescu;suuure.
1746975;1512512125;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think orlol's argument casts us as the zulu, and usg as the d00dz with the maxim
1746976;1512512127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not beyuond the realm of the plausible that i fuck some chick and she delivers 3kgs of solid gold 9 months later, by the same measure of realms.
1746977;1512512132;asciilifeform;if i correctly understood.
1746978;1512512145;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform words are "no matter how clever, because they use far less technical means"
1746979;1512512152;mircea_popescu;it's nude and rude anti-intelectualism.
1746980;1512512162;mircea_popescu;ie, big ape better than smart ape.
1746981;1512512164;mircea_popescu;which... is a theory.
1746982;1512512177;apeloyee;asciilifeform: just that 5 positional arguments is a bit too much to remember, and I was asking why, say, Count is fourth, and not, e.g. second, so it would be easier to remember which is which. alternatively, can use named arguments.
1746983;1512512182;mircea_popescu;it just never panned out to date is all.
1746984;1512512199;asciilifeform;apeloyee: i'm leaning to using named arguments AND nonoverloaded shift operators.
1746985;1512512212;asciilifeform;at least for shifts.
1746986;1512512256;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the least outrageous formulation iirc was something like 'big ape can stay irrational for longer than smart apes can stay solvent' or how it went.
1746987;1512512272;mircea_popescu;other than flying in the face of both logic and evidence, sure.
1746988;1512512317;asciilifeform;well-thrown brick can fly in the face of gravity for a while.
1746989;1512512334;asciilifeform;( if thrown hard enuff -- for potentially rather long time )
1746990;1512512338;mircea_popescu;but the baked in assumption is that big ape stays rational ~forever~, and this still doesn't sum up to anything good for it.
1746991;1512512346;mircea_popescu;what, it's going to stay irrational EVEN LONGER THAN FOREVER ?
1746992;1512512347;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1746993;1512512359;mircea_popescu;brick has the speed ^ 4 problem.
1746994;1512512390;asciilifeform;~nobody actually walks around believing , literally, in 'thousand year reich'. most of the believers, on examination, believe in roughly a 30 yr reich
1746995;1512512394;asciilifeform;or however long they expect to live.
1746996;1512512401;asciilifeform;after that, 'le deluge'
1746997;1512512415;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746827 << i don't get this. so... "fiat didn't work for fiat dorks ergo bitcoin doesn't work".
1746998;1512512415;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 19:33 asciilifeform: 'if some government decides that Bitcoin is not its friend, it can simply ask you, nicely at first, to relinquish your cyberwallet to it. I doubt that too many of the Saudi princes that were recently disencumbered of much of their net worth while being tortured by Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh ended up playing coy '
1746999;1512512429;mircea_popescu;if they had enough fucking sense to a) rocket field and b) bitcoin, there'd have been no hotel.
1747000;1512512457;mircea_popescu;i very honestly can't begin to understand how one goes about calling self "saudi prince", but doesn't have to type in code every few hours or else riyadh is flat.
1747001;1512512468;mircea_popescu;it just boggles the imagination. why ? what ELSE are they doing with their time ?
1747002;1512512501;asciilifeform;evidently 'riyadh prince' in fact turned out to be the item presupposed in the linked orlol : merely a version of american office plankton but with 5 or 6 additional zeroes after the decimal point
1747003;1512512515;asciilifeform;but just as easily separated from all of it with well-placed kick
1747004;1512512560;mircea_popescu;i dunno how the original ibn saud tolerated the schmucks tbh.
1747005;1512512567;mircea_popescu;!#s stalin blind kittens
1747006;1512512567;a111;0 results for "stalin blind kittens", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=stalin%20blind%20kittens
1747007;1512512572;mircea_popescu;pfff. it's in there.
1747008;1512512576;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-07#1090204 )
1747009;1512512576;a111;Logged on 2015-04-07 00:10 mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
1747010;1512512695;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-10#1365227
1747011;1512512695;a111;Logged on 2016-01-10 16:52 asciilifeform: 'when i am gone, they will strangle the lot of you like kittens'
1747012;1512512701;mircea_popescu;!!up irene_yvonne
1747013;1512512702;deedbot;irene_yvonne voiced for 30 minutes.
1747014;1512512712;mircea_popescu;totally forgot about the french twins. how's it going you two ?
1747015;1512512725;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha ty.
1747016;1512512867;irene_yvonne;mircea_popescu: https://imgur.com/a/IVblB
1747017;1512512880;irene_yvonne;is that ok?
1747018;1512512911;ben_vulpes;nice lipstick graffiti in that first one
1747019;1512512913;mircea_popescu;irene_yvonne quite ok. i take it this;d be irene then ?
1747020;1512512930;mircea_popescu;o both of them, scroll trick.
1747021;1512512938;irene_yvonne;yeap
1747022;1512512939;mircea_popescu;cool. irene_yvonne address ?
1747023;1512512985;irene_yvonne;i'm setting up electrum wallet as we speak, give me a few minutes and i'll give you the address
1747024;1512513001;mircea_popescu;alright, just don't lose yer connection.
1747025;1512513019;irene_yvonne;ok!
1747026;1512513625;irene_yvonne;mircea_popescu: 12GLJWgNUcXSUGpv1SriZEEj1iDDuCDNBr
1747027;1512513643;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 12GLJWgNUcXSUGpv1SriZEEj1iDDuCDNBr 0.04
1747028;1512513647;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/02fxT/?raw=true
1747029;1512513684;mircea_popescu;irene_yvonne be a few hours till trinque gets around to it.
1747030;1512513702;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746858 << vs whichever, 'lynx', 'firefox', etc. 'opera' was microshit-closed, where you get a few MB of x86 binariolade.
1747031;1512513702;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 21:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746771 << as opposed to what exactly "open" turd out there ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1746024 ? or what precisely are we comparing to here. openbios ? name the standard "open".
1747032;1512513729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i very honestly dun see the difference (talking here of ancient opera, not hte ipadization)
1747033;1512513735;irene_yvonne;mircea_popescu: the article said that this isn't one time offer. So, any other photo ideas?
1747034;1512513752;asciilifeform;'open' contemplated above is the very basic 1990s sense, where 'can i take source, and build for my mips r4000' etc.
1747035;1512513760;mircea_popescu;irene_yvonne not at the moment, but conceivably. how did you end up on it anyway ?
1747036;1512513779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform glhf. can't do such, as we've discovered, with ~anything anyway.
1747037;1512513789;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: firefox ( at least few yrs ago ) -- built.
1747038;1512513800;asciilifeform;today -- lynx , still ( of last try ) .
1747039;1512513811;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform permit me to link you to http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-123812
1747040;1512513816;asciilifeform;trinque has buncha various built for ppc.
1747041;1512513824;mircea_popescu;whenever oen tries -- it doesn't. for as long as one does not try -- "it does just fine".
1747042;1512513843;irene_yvonne;a friend told me about it
1747043;1512513862;mircea_popescu;well, you might consider making yourself a rsa key and registering with deedbot
1747044;1512513869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking strictly of items known to actually work. ( at one time trinque posted a list of what built, and what did not, on his g5 ppc. iirc . trinque ? )
1747045;1512513885;mircea_popescu;like the previous chick ( http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Awer )
1747046;1512513899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think you take mah meanings.
1747047;1512513911;asciilifeform;possibly.
1747048;1512513928;asciilifeform;but will note that, e.g., trb, builds cleanly on e.g. arm ( and iirc ppc also )
1747049;1512513947;asciilifeform;no one afaik yet tried mips, or itanic, or yet moar obscure.
1747050;1512513985;mircea_popescu;lmao, block verification on itanic!
1747051;1512513995;asciilifeform;i simply dun fully buy into the 'gnarly source is exactly same level of retardation as straight microshitization'. it isn't quite same thing.
1747052;1512514009;asciilifeform;palpably separate circles of hell.
1747053;1512514013;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the item was very much as described, ~"handwritten asm"
1747054;1512514022;asciilifeform;this -- possible.
1747055;1512514028;mircea_popescu;this is not the same as llvm or wisual-c shittery.
1747056;1512514033;asciilifeform;was iirc surprisingly compact.
1747057;1512514052;asciilifeform;actually reversing hand-asm is a royal bitch compared to gcc or even vs output
1747058;1512514068;asciilifeform;possibly counterintuitively.
1747059;1512514084;asciilifeform;( do i gotta explain why, or is it obvious )
1747060;1512514119;mircea_popescu;yes, but it IS legitimate source.
1747061;1512514140;asciilifeform;notrly. even handasm item tends to use lotsa macroasm.
1747062;1512514149;asciilifeform;and various other 'cheats' of mass-reduction.
1747063;1512514156;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1747064;1512514186;mircea_popescu;let me put it the proper way : one can not forbid mel from using his craft ; mel can not be required to "learn fortran" to "upgrade" and "keep with the times".
1747065;1512514205;asciilifeform;fwiw when asciilifeform reversed winblowz crapware all day , every day, with timebudget of approx 2days per item, he muchly preferred to encounter vs-built crapola, vs hand-.
1747066;1512514227;mircea_popescu;i believe.
1747067;1512514237;asciilifeform;and fwiw at this point mel is mostly dead.
1747068;1512514244;asciilifeform;( though -- not entirely . )
1747069;1512514247;mircea_popescu;i also believe.
1747070;1512514413;asciilifeform;from orlolcommentz: ' Much to my surprise, it doesn't translate internationally as easily as one might think. I have a - very - little gold. When I wanted to sell some here in Ecuador early this year, I discovered that in fact there is no-one in Ecuador who buys gold. Moreover, there is also no-one who would take it back to the Perth Mint [Australia] from whence it came. DHL and Fed-Ex only move papers!! There are no couriers. !! I t
1747071;1512514414;asciilifeform;ook it wiht me to Russia - Vladivostok, where I was informed even by the Sperbank branch, that they had no precious metals assayist, for all they knew it could be fake, and thus they too refused to buy it. Luckily for me, I had a private backup for funds, but - it could have been dicey. '
1747072;1512514676;mircea_popescu;o this is ridoinculous
1747073;1512514691;*;mircea_popescu went on a shopping spree bought gold shit for womenz.
1747074;1512514701;mircea_popescu;so it turns out i own much more gold than teh proponent ?
1747075;1512514705;mircea_popescu;!!up irene_yvonne
1747076;1512514706;deedbot;irene_yvonne voiced for 30 minutes.
1747077;1512514803;*;asciilifeform was just having a 'spot the gold' exercise in machineroom with pet
1747078;1512514911;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: evidently d00d thought 'gold! movable, liquid, easily testable, 0 tx fee!' 'or hm mebbe not...' moment
1747079;1512514917;mircea_popescu;thing with gold is that it doesn't take altogether much (volume) to get a kg or two
1747080;1512514942;asciilifeform;a kg occupies ~same space as 'standard' chocolate bar.
1747081;1512514951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thing is, i could prolly sell the girls for their quite literal weight in gold, if it came to it.
1747082;1512514957;mircea_popescu;so who wants teh gold.
1747083;1512515032;asciilifeform;i know of 3 types who want -- 1) crowned heads, largely from inertia  2) gypos, of various nations  3) idjits who 'i'ma usgproof me savings with magic metal'
1747084;1512515062;mircea_popescu;better usgproof with teh womenz.
1747085;1512515065;asciilifeform;i suppose could add a small '4' , a handful of industries ( pcb electroplating shops ) but that's about it.
1747086;1512515109;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik old reddit derp can't buy 35 grams of woman.
1747087;1512515130;mircea_popescu;myeah, you;'d have to go to riyadh
1747088;1512515135;mircea_popescu;oh... wait. dayum.
1747089;1512515141;asciilifeform;lol
1747090;1512515142;mircea_popescu;whole shebang might've just become illiquid!
1747091;1512515157;*;mircea_popescu suddenly realises how the news relates to him!!1
1747092;1512515668;*;asciilifeform owns no au beyond what's on the pcbs; reformed former user of au-flavoured goxes, at this point many yrs ago.
1747093;1512515736;asciilifeform;my only mental association with the concept of walking around with small piece of gold -- is the crematorium, the gold teeth pit.
1747094;1512515789;asciilifeform;( it was also, i suppose , a rings, earrings, pit.. )
1747095;1512515828;mircea_popescu;porcelain better anyway
1747096;1512515837;mircea_popescu;they've been taking out the amalgamated caps.
1747097;1512515843;asciilifeform;aha, long time nao.
1747098;1512516322;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu re 46.166.160.36 / http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html : is that box still around ? because if it is, yer trb is hung
1747099;1512516328;asciilifeform;or otherwise it dun answer nomoar.
1747100;1512516341;asciilifeform;( it is listed as belonging to mircea_popescu )
1747101;1512516344;mircea_popescu;wasn't this the whole pile at the hoster we discontinued ?
1747102;1512516352;mircea_popescu;ip seems right iirc
1747103;1512516358;asciilifeform;that's what i suspected
1747104;1512516387;mod6;ok, will remove.
1747105;1512516388;asciilifeform;mod6 has been maintaining a maximally current list . that line prolly oughta be struck.
1747106;1512516392;asciilifeform;cool
1747107;1512516402;mircea_popescu;sorry, shoulda said something i guess
1747108;1512516415;asciilifeform;the others -- appear, fwiw, to work.
1747109;1512516517;asciilifeform;also notably, mircea_popescu , yer trb box was the champ medallist, outlived even dulap.
1747110;1512516536;mircea_popescu;i dindu nuffin
1747111;1512516537;asciilifeform;( was alive a few wks ago, unless my memory betrays me )
1747112;1512516540;asciilifeform;lolk
1747113;1512516567;asciilifeform;while we're on subj : zoolag @ 462075 .
1747114;1512516589;mod6;updated.  thanks asciilifeform.
1747115;1512516608;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is also in the process of standing up trb on dulap-III , an opteron monster not yet homed.
1747116;1512516651;asciilifeform;32 cpu, 256GB RAM, 1TB ( 750G after raid5 ) 'samsung pro' ssd.
1747117;1512517344;mircea_popescu;"Why exactly does a browser need to ship with any preconceived notions of how to decode video and graphics?  Or audio, or text, for that matter?" << fundamentally, because we don't want to permit it to run code.
1747118;1512517359;asciilifeform;pretty sure we did this thread
1747119;1512517362;asciilifeform;no fewer than twice
1747120;1512517372;mircea_popescu;hm. i think you're right
1747121;1512517393;asciilifeform;( given as item is from ancient asciilifeform article... )
1747122;1512517495;asciilifeform;'p' stack machine ( to be featured in last episode of ffa series ) is a demo of sane ( e.g. demonstrably-correct and bounded , yet usefully complete operator set ) code execution.
1747123;1512517571;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-14#1298929 << first, afaik, public mention. pre-dates ffa.
1747124;1512517571;a111;Logged on 2015-10-14 20:15 asciilifeform: 'p' (draft title) - for the old pgp.
1747125;1512517659;asciilifeform;the thing ffa enables, is to make the 'this-here program takes known number of cycles, and known total bitness of memory' guarantee into an actually feasible thing.
1747126;1512517692;mircea_popescu;math-code-only separator
1747127;1512517698;mircea_popescu;as opposed to control instructions
1747128;1512517718;asciilifeform;there are control instruction, what.
1747129;1512517763;asciilifeform;but if you haven't executed a Q ( halt ) before the stated tick count, yer program is deemed notwellformed.
1747130;1512517794;asciilifeform;( i.e. if it was intended to be a signature -- it evaluates to 'this is rubbish'; if cryptogram -- ditto; etc )
1747131;1512517834;asciilifeform;not Q-ing before cycle count elapsed, is eggog, same as e.g. div0 .
1747132;1512517842;mircea_popescu;what control instructions are there ?
1747133;1512517870;asciilifeform;there is a forth-style decrementvariable-and-jumpifnotzero.
1747134;1512517915;mircea_popescu;not what i meant. more like "no shell()". no leaving-frame, how shall we put it
1747135;1512517920;asciilifeform;ah lol
1747136;1512517922;mircea_popescu;btw you never got back to me, how many ssds was it ?
1747137;1512517923;asciilifeform;why would we have those.
1747138;1512517929;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 4.
1747139;1512517934;mircea_popescu;we wouldn't. that's the point.
1747140;1512517939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and what type ?
1747141;1512517955;asciilifeform;i thought this was clear from the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1747116 picture
1747142;1512517955;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 23:30 asciilifeform: 32 cpu, 256GB RAM, 1TB ( 750G after raid5 ) 'samsung pro' ssd.
1747143;1512517983;mircea_popescu;a cool.
1747144;1512518004;asciilifeform;they're quarter-TBs , such as are sold for industrial temps, '10yr warranty' ( to this day i have nfi how one might go about claiming warranty on a hdd , but we digress ) etc
1747145;1512518039;mircea_popescu;it's for putting in the field.
1747146;1512518068;asciilifeform;i have been using the konsoomer version of similar 'disks' , for some yrs, this type has created the fewest headaches in asciilifeform's machineroom, among 4 various vendors'
1747147;1512518092;asciilifeform;( i have not tried intel's, simply cannot bring myself to buy. but tried afaik every major other . )
1747148;1512518166;asciilifeform;'sandisk' is rubbish, fit to stoke oven; 'toshiba' is ~ok ; samsung ok, good for several dozen whole-surface writes, typically ; other types tried to date -- rubbish
1747149;1512518226;asciilifeform;'kingston' is ~ok for a box that dun write much of anything to disk
1747150;1512518242;asciilifeform;i dun recall specifically whom i left out , of this list, but that's more or less all of the major players.
1747151;1512518264;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , trinque , other folx with serious machine fleet, consider to chime in re disk-sellers 0
1747152;1512518266;asciilifeform;)
1747153;1512518283;mircea_popescu;just about, toshiba & samsung
1747154;1512518338;asciilifeform;sadly there is not afaik a known way to make'em 'trim' when they hang off a raid card. but otoh samsung repeatedly shipped units with buggy 'trim' , that randomly zeroed blocks.
1747155;1512518345;asciilifeform;so there is that.
1747156;1512518367;asciilifeform;( they , characteristically, blamed linux kernel . )
1747157;1512518430;asciilifeform;( see https://archive.is/CecF8 and elsewhere. )
1747158;1512518563;asciilifeform;to briefly revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1747134 : a 'p' proggy can ~produce~ , as output, another such proggy, simply by printing characters. but, pointedly, CANNOT demand to execute it.
1747159;1512518563;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 23:51 mircea_popescu: not what i meant. more like "no shell()". no leaving-frame, how shall we put it
1747160;1512518577;asciilifeform;( otherwise it would be trivially impossible to limit cycles )
1747161;1512518606;asciilifeform;the 'produce another pcode' mechanism is how e.g. key generation works.
1747162;1512518613;mircea_popescu;rahter : any set of data is some kind of p "program".
1747163;1512518624;mircea_popescu;sorta special kind of cellular automata.
1747164;1512518641;asciilifeform;correct.
1747165;1512518662;asciilifeform;( all opcodes are 1byte. )
1747166;1512518665;mircea_popescu;the most elegant approach to deal with correctness, or acceptability w/e you state it. "there is no such thing"
1747167;1512518670;asciilifeform;aaha.
1747168;1512519484;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-november-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2017 Statement
1747169;1512519519;asciilifeform;aha!
1747170;1512519578;asciilifeform;fridan << 'Бананы давно облетели, И тигры давно облысели, Но каждую пятницу, Лишь солнце закатится, Кого-то жуют под бананом.' (tm)(r)
1747171;1512519609;asciilifeform;( src, https://archive.is/c50GL , classic. )
1747172;1512519671;asciilifeform;*friday
1747173;1512519702;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you forgot 's.nsa' wptag
1747174;1512519862;asciilifeform;briefly revisiting upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1747117 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1747122 >> there is no reason why the execution of ~any~ program, e.g. browser graphicolade renderer, whose output is known, byte for byte, in advance by the author, should not follow the 'p' model.
1747175;1512519862;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 23:42 mircea_popescu: "Why exactly does a browser need to ship with any preconceived notions of how to decode video and graphics?  Or audio, or text, for that matter?" << fundamentally, because we don't want to permit it to run code.
1747176;1512519862;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 23:44 asciilifeform: 'p' stack machine ( to be featured in last episode of ffa series ) is a demo of sane ( e.g. demonstrably-correct and bounded , yet usefully complete operator set ) code execution.
1747177;1512519947;asciilifeform;specifically, proggy that a) accepts no input, other than itself   or   b) accepts input, but does not ~branch~ on it  -- can and really ougta 'say on the box' how many cycles it will consume, and how much memory it will require in its life.
1747178;1512519975;asciilifeform;whether we are discussing a rsagram, or the decompression of a pr0nbitmap.
1747179;1512520021;asciilifeform;or the recording for playing of whatever grunting noises through the speaker (which is really simply a specialized program)
1747180;1512520040;asciilifeform;in all of these cases, output, and the required time and space, are known in advance.
1747181;1512520400;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yo5jo/?raw=true
1747182;1512520594;ben_vulpes;phf, asciilifeform do you know anything about "Wukix" the lisp system author(s)?
1747183;1512520605;asciilifeform;nope
1747184;1512520634;asciilifeform;tho iirc ben_vulpes linked to it before
1747185;1512520639;asciilifeform;some yrs ago
1747186;1512520658;asciilifeform;was something like cmucl-for-crapplepnoje
1747187;1512520686;asciilifeform;payware.
1747188;1512520687;ben_vulpes;myes, today i stumbled across https://wukix.com/lisp-decimals
1747189;1512520759;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475432 << thread
1747190;1512520759;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 04:15 ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: any experience with "mocl"?
1747191;1512520824;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475471 << i take it did not come to this ?
1747192;1512520824;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 05:33 ben_vulpes: i am likely going to buy a license because what, i pay half that per year per staff member just to derp on ios shits with some modicum less of friction
1747193;1512520898;ben_vulpes;did not, no
1747194;1512520922;ben_vulpes;other things vastly more important and costly
1747195;1512520982;asciilifeform;it being payware, that no one in asciilifeform's wot has to date used, asciilifeform cannot comment.
1747196;1512521004;asciilifeform;in re commercial lisps , i've used lispworks, franz ( allegro ) , and bolix.
1747197;1512521018;asciilifeform;and only allegro with any degree of serious.
1747198;1512521033;asciilifeform;i have nfi whether the ipnoje thing , actually worx, or to what extent.
1747199;1512521155;ben_vulpes;today i am more curious to know if 'wukix' has any sort of wreckerage fame
1747200;1512521174;asciilifeform;nfi, ipnojism is darkmatter to me.
1747201;1512521196;ben_vulpes;googlephone too nominally; 'cross platform'!!!1
1747202;1512521222;ben_vulpes;dunno what i'd least prefer soiling myself with; crap ass cl wrapper around java or...java
1747203;1512524115;mircea_popescu;trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/adN0h/?raw=true
1747204;1512524126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a ty
1747205;1512526478;mircea_popescu;in other random lulz, http://shoebat.com/2016/08/18/muslims-in-uk-try-to-force-romanians-to-comply-with-shariah-law-prohibition-against-alcohol-the-romanians-say-no-and-then-beat-the-muslims-with-baseball-bats-and-destroy-their-business-and-their/
1747206;1512526483;mircea_popescu;there shall be no AA!
1747207;1512526823;asciilifeform;from same rag, 'Nazi Cult In Germany Is Murdering Children, Cutting Them To Pieces, And Conducting Human Experiments On Them' ; 'The Islamic Government Of Turkey, And Its European Allies, Are Making Plans On Committing Mass Genocide Against Christians, And Enslaving...' etc
1747208;1512526893;asciilifeform;'Every Five Minutes A Christian Is Killed For The Faith, Click Here To Save Christian Lives' << apparently the 'ransom from berbers' scamola did not end with the 18th c..?
1747209;1512527120;mircea_popescu;what ever ends.
1747210;1512527179;asciilifeform;certainly not chumpatron that soldiers right-along as ever before, without even oil changes.
1747211;1512527297;*;mircea_popescu remembers the good old days when berbery pirates stuck their filthy fingers up maidens' snatches snatched on the seas to probe for joolry.
1747212;1512527322;asciilifeform;or at least mythologically.
1747213;1512528771;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LzJob/?raw=true
1747214;1512528996;mircea_popescu;very mythologically.
1747215;1512529166;mircea_popescu;trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ednLn/?raw=true
1747216;1512529522;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zN3sU/?raw=true
1747217;1512530815;mircea_popescu;aty
1747218;1512530965;mircea_popescu;aaand in other shock and awe waves, http://78.media.tumblr.com/83f57327b8d7a4a845edb2275ef47ddd/tumblr_n6b1ervn7i1s9sr6mo1_500.gif
1747219;1512531786;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kZq05/?raw=true
1747220;1512532411;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1747044 << at least emacs, sbcl, X, vlc, postgresql come to mind.
1747221;1512532411;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 22:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking strictly of items known to actually work. ( at one time trinque posted a list of what built, and what did not, on his g5 ppc. iirc . trinque ? )
1747222;1512533362;*;mircea_popescu opts not to ask "on arbitrary iron or on selected iron ?"
1747223;1512564037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i cannot resist to ask, where do i buy some 'arbitrary iron' ? right now i only got concrete iron
1747224;1512564073;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1747225;1512564083;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12649.92, vol: 15099.62688961 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12639.0, vol: 63644.53889962 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12754.4, vol: 4211.65584461 | Volume-weighted last average: 12646.8465019
1747226;1512564884;RagnarDanneskjol;mircea_popescu I believe 2 or 3 ladies will be available to interview by this weekend. please standby.  I'll just point them to the great hall [here] unless you want them elsewhere
1747227;1512566059;BingoBoingo;I have arrived
1747228;1512566302;asciilifeform;congrats BingoBoingo !
1747229;1512566336;asciilifeform;how is the jungle, how -- the jaguars ?
1747230;1512566353;BingoBoingo;So far the shower at the office has hot water.
1747231;1512566388;asciilifeform;notbad
1747232;1512566405;BingoBoingo;Have seen litle nature so far. Lightening the load at coworking office to hostel size before their checkin opens. Very friendly people.
1747233;1512566444;BingoBoingo;Mega mission of the day is calibrating the ear to this accent and recovering from mega ear pressure confusion
1747234;1512566515;BingoBoingo;TSA did open up bag with the server and network switch helpfully leaving note.
1747235;1512566795;*;BingoBoingo also to explore and take pictures
1747236;1512567300;BingoBoingo;brb
1747237;1512569423;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746620 << pretty sure i "accidentally"-ed a hundy or so at some point, look carefully through the couch cushions.
1747238;1512569423;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 15:21 trinque: to date, deedbot made like 0.0002, and so what? it'll make more in the future, and it'll buy more with what it made idem
1747239;1512570773;asciilifeform;in other 'let's steal trilema article and publish with flipped sign bit', https://archive.is/ECfmb
1747240;1512572042;mircea_popescu;but what proof do you have.
1747241;1512572062;asciilifeform;insufficientlyproofyproofofproofiness
1747242;1512572109;lobbes;Congrats BingoBoingo!
1747243;1512572134;lobbes;In other jungles: https://archive.is/BjsEM
1747244;1512572150;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747223 << at $shop.
1747245;1512572150;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 12:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cannot resist to ask, where do i buy some 'arbitrary iron' ? right now i only got concrete iron
1747246;1512572177;mircea_popescu;lobbes apparently there was problem.
1747247;1512572239;mircea_popescu;anyway, administration of all kinds would be GREATLY improved by permanently losing access to all computing.
1747248;1512572264;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747227 << ahaha looks like you won too.
1747249;1512572264;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 13:14 BingoBoingo: I have arrived
1747250;1512572281;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747226 << to quote some bum, "where am i going."
1747251;1512572281;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 12:54 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu I believe 2 or 3 ladies will be available to interview by this weekend. please standby.  I'll just point them to the great hall [here] unless you want them elsewhere
1747252;1512572320;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747234 << loller i guess you're throwing those out then ?
1747253;1512572320;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 13:21 BingoBoingo: TSA did open up bag with the server and network switch helpfully leaving note.
1747254;1512573025;BingoBoingo;Well, probably investigating them. Switch is still new in box unconfigured, server hasn't been more than assembled
1747255;1512573047;BingoBoingo;They did leave the inspection note
1747256;1512573105;BingoBoingo;as opposed to hiding it
1747257;1512573150;mircea_popescu;i c
1747258;1512573152;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: man in sov restaurant, gets up to go piss, leaves a note on his table : 'i have spat into this soup, do not steal' . returns, to finds scribble under his note : '...i spat in it also, yours, anon'
1747259;1512573161;mircea_popescu;ehehehe
1747260;1512573182;mircea_popescu;!!pay BingoBoingo 0.01
1747261;1512573191;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1747262;1512573207;mircea_popescu;nao don't go casinoing.
1747263;1512573210;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/j1rev/?raw=true
1747264;1512573246;BingoBoingo;Far too soon for that
1747265;1512573250;mircea_popescu;aha
1747266;1512573300;*;BingoBoingo made a quick walk around the neighborhood, has to reorient to sun's new location as opposed to ye familiar old compas
1747267;1512573321;mircea_popescu;didja pack a camera btw ?
1747268;1512573363;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, can add picture of inspection note to the rest of "local flora&fauna" pics
1747269;1512573389;BingoBoingo;I packed two. Baking a first blog post. Got few pictures en route because it turns out airports and planes are boring. Also clouds most of the flights.
1747270;1512573428;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I will save that for the post when I actually open the networking equipment. Right now gotta calibrate my ears to this accent
1747271;1512573505;mircea_popescu;nice.
1747272;1512573541;mircea_popescu;but yes, airflight ain't all it's cracked up to be. only seems a big deal before ape invents airplane.
1747273;1512573557;mircea_popescu;much like marriage seems much more of an ideal state to 13yo than later on.
1747274;1512573560;asciilifeform;!#s bathtub catapult
1747275;1512573561;a111;5 results for "bathtub catapult", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bathtub%20catapult
1747276;1512573603;mircea_popescu;incidentally, re that : i don't think most people are equipped to evaluate how much it'd suck. i base this on my own experience, whereby i didn't understand what sex in tub is like before trying.
1747277;1512573608;mircea_popescu;my knees were scabbed for weeks.
1747278;1512573622;asciilifeform;'knife fight in phone booth' (tm)(r)
1747279;1512573641;BingoBoingo; but yes, airflight ain't all it's cracked up to be. only seems a big deal before ape invents airplane. << Only really big deal besides boredom and comms blackout is barotraumo to the ears
1747280;1512573665;mircea_popescu;by the time you crashland you're more or less CNCd into a ball already. just like an egg that was tumbled with rocks.
1747281;1512573686;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you're supposed to suck aircock the whole way, didn't the stewardess tell you ?
1747282;1512573705;BingoBoingo;No, none of them did.
1747283;1512573719;mircea_popescu;maybe they were doing it discreetely.
1747284;1512573743;mircea_popescu;or maybe you didn't fly with HookAir ?
1747285;1512573753;BingoBoingo;Well, i did forget it was a thing and underestimated how big a deal it would be until first leg of trip ended
1747286;1512573773;mircea_popescu;#trilema fails to warn.
1747287;1512573783;mircea_popescu;poor bb DID say he's total noob.
1747288;1512573788;*;asciilifeform while BingoBoingo flew, slept, and dreamed that he was conscripted into american army; and when asked 'where do you want to go' answered 'let's straight to 'nam, get it over with' and was sent.
1747289;1512573792;BingoBoingo;Well, #trilema did warn, but forgot
1747290;1512573803;mircea_popescu;a did it ? i forgot too.
1747291;1512573819;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so did you get nam over with by your own self or was there a sidekick ?
1747292;1512573840;BingoBoingo;then Republic of Texas to Panama was napping while descent started, damage done
1747293;1512573843;asciilifeform;with plane full of other cannon fodder. but that's all the detail that was painted.
1747294;1512573871;asciilifeform;somehow in 'dream logic' it seemed entirely unsurprising that 'nam' were still a going concern.
1747295;1512573880;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo incidentally, i often get ear popping IN THE CAR, getting down from fortress mp to civilisation.
1747296;1512573894;asciilifeform;asciilifeform only gets ear pop in the subway.
1747297;1512573900;asciilifeform;somehow never on planes.
1747298;1512573911;mircea_popescu;maybe your ears are directional.
1747299;1512573920;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA, missouri hills are what I was expecting
1747300;1512573921;asciilifeform;fuckknows
1747301;1512574056;mircea_popescu;incidentally, in re http://trilema.com/2017/what-are-you-being-distracted-from/#comment-123640 : Party of Heroes prolly best one of the entire whole lot.
1747302;1512574062;mircea_popescu;imo it's the definitive showcase of the platform.
1747303;1512574096;mircea_popescu;ie, isn't a port from system with kbd-and-mouse, but actually designed / thought into the terms of a tapdevice.
1747304;1512574133;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNr99mM-cL4 << like that
1747305;1512574553;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/06/the-midwestern-rube-arrives-in-uruguay/ << Bingo Blog - The Midwestern Rube Arrives In Uruguay
1747306;1512574998;BingoBoingo;brb, explore mode
1747307;1512575156;hanbot;congrats BingoBoingo :)
1747308;1512580020;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/various-multitudes/ << Trilema - Various multitudes
1747309;1512580829;diana_coman;mod6 or asciilifeform, can you help? I'm trying to press asciilifeform's second patch for sane-mpi and V complains that it can't find the vpatch file although it is there (and I checked the sig too and it's all fine); I'm running your V, version thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz.mod6 ; I have the following folder structure: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1ZwgW/?raw=true; Here's the error when I run v press verbose . mpi_second_cut.vpa
1747310;1512580829;diana_coman;tch: Error! Could not find vpatch "mpi_second_cut.vpatch" ; when I run v a mpi_second_cut.vpatch I get: Error! Could not find vpatch "mpi_second_cut.vpatch"
1747311;1512580863;asciilifeform;diana_coman: is it in your patches dir ?
1747312;1512580873;diana_coman;yes; see folder structure above
1747313;1512580887;diana_coman;ftr it finds the genesis patch fine
1747314;1512580926;diana_coman;but it seems to think there are no descendants on it (so v d mpi-genesis.vpatch returns empty)
1747315;1512580926;BingoBoingo;No pictures of quality this time, but have located mall, mall casino, and place where sleeping
1747316;1512580981;diana_coman;v f shows only the genesis
1747317;1512581003;asciilifeform;diana_coman: are you using mod6's vtron ?
1747318;1512581008;diana_coman;yes,as stated
1747319;1512581101;asciilifeform;pretty strange, mine and phf's vtrons ate it up without complaint, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mpi
1747320;1512581162;diana_coman;ok, let me try with yours too then, can't hurt
1747321;1512581183;asciilifeform;sounds like a bug in mod6's vtron, thus far
1747322;1512581196;asciilifeform;where it silently barfs on a signature and doesn't say why
1747323;1512581204;asciilifeform;where did you get asciilifeform's key, diana_coman ?
1747324;1512581207;mircea_popescu;diana_coman possibly you have old ver of alf sig ?
1747325;1512581209;diana_coman;ftr I used mod6's vtron on ch1 of ffa and it worked perfectly fine
1747326;1512581211;mircea_popescu;(expired at some point)
1747327;1512581216;asciilifeform;sigs dun change tho
1747328;1512581217;mircea_popescu;had alt paths there
1747329;1512581237;asciilifeform;diana_coman: then can rule out bad pubk
1747330;1512581241;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, nope, I just downloaded it again today so it's the new one
1747331;1512581255;mircea_popescu;a ok\
1747332;1512581281;diana_coman;asciilifeform, got it from your website
1747333;1512581365;asciilifeform;i redownloaded own item just now, and verified the sig successfully
1747334;1512581379;diana_coman;a gpg --verify here worked perfectly fine for me too on both patches
1747335;1512581380;asciilifeform;so it ain't hoster shenanigans, unless quite elaborate and patch-dependent
1747336;1512581401;diana_coman;(did that before even running v anyway)
1747337;1512581413;asciilifeform;fwiw sha512(mpi_second_cut.vpatch) : 594052a750c3ab2ad16bbd73c578df9d99a98cc9811e6537e452dc2386b58c24555918e8d02e9e8d35c25808ac31a10babf0614e2d647afdf4f58b38059af118
1747338;1512581428;asciilifeform;sha512(mpi_second_cut.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig) : 7b14150fd5100dc90f7130a491214fceda5984fdad20491487d45727c4be88885dc9d9245e7f1bee30fa236e1e774e03f6cba8f34ccc4508eaed0df53af329a0
1747339;1512581441;asciilifeform;*path-dependent
1747340;1512581445;diana_coman;anyways, will try with asciilifeform's v for now; maybe mod6 has some idea on this later
1747341;1512581539;diana_coman;asciilifeform, same sha512 here
1747342;1512581640;asciilifeform;hmm possibly mod6's v requires 'vpatch' extension
1747343;1512581645;asciilifeform;my mpi genesis had 'vdiff'
1747344;1512581650;asciilifeform;( but otherwise conformant )
1747345;1512581750;diana_coman;ah, that might be it, makes sense
1747346;1512581907;asciilifeform;what i did :
1747347;1512581920;asciilifeform;mv patches/mpi-genesis.vdiff patches/mpi-genesis.vpatch ; mv .seals/mpi-genesis.asciilifeform.sig .seals/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
1747348;1512581949;asciilifeform;or hm
1747349;1512582003;asciilifeform;still fails to recognize that  mpi_second_cut.vpatch exists
1747350;1512582012;asciilifeform;this VERY POSSIBILITY of silent failure is a bug, mod6
1747351;1512582030;asciilifeform;at least oughta have a verbose mode one can optionally enable, wtf
1747352;1512582075;asciilifeform;silently ignoring bad input by-default can be permissible, but to do it ~always~ is not The Right Thing , gotta give something to debug with.
1747353;1512582155;asciilifeform;./v.pl  d  mpi-genesis.vpatch    returns nothing
1747354;1512582158;asciilifeform;and neither does
1747355;1512582167;asciilifeform;./v.pl a mpi_second_cut.vpatch
1747356;1512582179;asciilifeform;otoh the flow,
1747357;1512582186;asciilifeform;./v.pl f
1747358;1512582186;asciilifeform;mpi_second_cut.vpatch (asciilifeform)
1747359;1512582186;asciilifeform;mpi-genesis.vpatch (asciilifeform)
1747360;1512582189;asciilifeform;returns both.
1747361;1512582213;asciilifeform;this happens only in mod6's vtron, the bug is replicated by asciilifeform just now ( however yet unexplained. )
1747362;1512582229;asciilifeform;and persists still if the filename is fixed, so it wasn't the cause.
1747363;1512582305;diana_coman;myeah, I had done the renaming
1747364;1512582459;diana_coman;asciilifeform, v99 (taken from here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html ) complains that "No roots found!" -> what am I missing?
1747365;1512582516;diana_coman;these are my files: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oXdqh/?raw=true
1747366;1512582530;diana_coman;and I ran it : v99 --wot .wot --seals .seals patches a mpi_second_cut.vpatch
1747367;1512582687;asciilifeform;ok now ~that~ is odd
1747368;1512582701;asciilifeform;diana_coman: do me a favour, tar up the entire thing
1747369;1512582709;asciilifeform;vtron, patches, seals, all.
1747370;1512582734;asciilifeform;i unfortunately will not be able to touch this in next few hrs.
1747371;1512582747;asciilifeform;but will before nightfall.
1747372;1512582908;diana_coman;k
1747373;1512584216;ben_vulpes;and in "fiddling while rome burns" http://ul.vave.pw.s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/_/17/12/75b4d27.jpg
1747374;1512584441;diana_coman;asciilifeform, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mINB0/?raw=true encrypted .tar.gz of whole dir with everything
1747375;1512584986;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman , i'ma check it out as soon as hands free
1747376;1512584994;diana_coman;thank you
1747377;1512586308;asciilifeform;diana_coman: post plaintext one, possibly ben_vulpes or mod6 or someone else, will notice what is the cause before i do
1747378;1512586341;*;asciilifeform knee deep in saecular liquishit atm
1747379;1512586478;diana_coman;asciilifeform or anyone else: http://dianacoman.com/available_resources/testmpi.tar.gz
1747380;1512586487;asciilifeform;thx diana_coman
1747381;1512586579;asciilifeform;now i recall also that phf had some trouble at first eating the thing, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739113 and elsewhere. but i can't seem to find in the log whether he ever said what the problem was, and how fixed.
1747382;1512586579;a111;Logged on 2017-11-15 18:23 mircea_popescu: maybe his thing didn't eat it for some reason.
1747383;1512587201;mod6;hi, looks like you've had some issues with my v : asciilifeform & diana_coman, I'll have to take a look at this later when I can. thx.
1747384;1512587527;phf;asciilifeform: i had issues specifically with an older, genesis-less version. my system doesn't require antecedents to be there, but for some reason when there's only one, antecedent-less patch it gives me a 404. i've not actually investigated, since you produced a genesis since
1747385;1512587562;asciilifeform;genesis was posted from the day my article was written, phf
1747386;1512587565;asciilifeform;it is in the tarball
1747387;1512587573;asciilifeform;( supposing this makes a difference )
1747388;1512587614;asciilifeform;or, to be absolutely pedantically correct, it was posted when the article first written, whereas 'second cut' was added later.
1747389;1512587668;asciilifeform;both can be seen at http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 .
1747390;1512587728;phf;asciilifeform: something like that. my btcbase vpatch grepper is dumb (it's my own eyes, but not the brain) and it's mostly just looking for things that look like a vpatch/vdiff. i definitely didn't unpack the first post tgz
1747391;1512587740;asciilifeform;makes sense
1747392;1512587771;asciilifeform;since that item i've avoided stuffing'em into tarballs, it doesn't help but often trips up various automated items like phf's
1747393;1512587793;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747237 << I saw, first reaction was "AH SHIT, WHY IS THE BALANCE OFF"
1747394;1512587793;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 14:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746620 << pretty sure i "accidentally"-ed a hundy or so at some point, look carefully through the couch cushions.
1747395;1512587794;asciilifeform;let plain text, stay plaintxt
1747396;1512587805;trinque;notbad cushion money
1747397;1512587822;asciilifeform;i considered to ask 'a hundy of what' but decided not to
1747398;1512588229;mircea_popescu;wise.
1747399;1512588361;mod6;where is the de-facto mpi tarball?
1747400;1512588371;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533
1747401;1512588378;mod6;thx
1747402;1512588831;asciilifeform;meanwhile in world of thick people, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927&cpage=1#comment-18402
1747403;1512588951;mod6;are we trying to get this one going then? http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/sane-mpi.tar.gz
1747404;1512588957;asciilifeform;nope
1747405;1512588964;asciilifeform;i prolly oughta remove that link
1747406;1512588972;asciilifeform;it contains simply a press
1747407;1512588980;mod6;it sounds to me like diana_coman was using that one.
1747408;1512588989;diana_coman;mod6, no
1747409;1512588993;mod6;'sane-mpi'
1747410;1512588995;asciilifeform;( at the time i was not yet ready to say properly fuckyou to my heathen readers, who had nfi what is v and did not want to )
1747411;1512589000;diana_coman;yes but the vpatch, not the press itself
1747412;1512589008;asciilifeform;i think diana_coman has the actual vpatch
1747413;1512589012;asciilifeform;from the genesis tar
1747414;1512589038;diana_coman;mod6, this is what I have and on which it failed: http://dianacoman.com/available_resources/testmpi.tar.gz
1747415;1512589114;diana_coman;basically this "sane-mpi" tar.gz: www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.tar.gz
1747416;1512589144;asciilifeform;oooh aaaah
1747417;1512589150;asciilifeform;looks like i found the boojum
1747418;1512589162;asciilifeform;this was one of those pieces i cooked using obsolete vdiff
1747419;1512589164;asciilifeform;that included timestamps
1747420;1512589171;asciilifeform;the genesis, that is
1747421;1512589172;mod6;aha
1747422;1512589175;mod6;that'll do it
1747423;1512589175;asciilifeform;the secondcut was proper.
1747424;1512589186;*;mod6 looks
1747425;1512589193;asciilifeform;who wants to recommend The Right Thing for an item like this ?
1747426;1512589207;asciilifeform;i can sign a vpatch of ~the genesis~ per se
1747427;1512589216;asciilifeform;or alternatively sign a cleaned genesis
1747428;1512589226;asciilifeform;but would rather preserve the chronology.
1747429;1512589255;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu do you wanna make the call ?
1747430;1512589264;mircea_popescu;sign a new genesis, abandon this one.
1747431;1512589271;asciilifeform;worx
1747432;1512589289;asciilifeform;fwiw the secondcut requires no change
1747433;1512589296;asciilifeform;the file hashes from the fixed genesis will be same.
1747434;1512589324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just as soon as someone puts a patch on top of it, the trees will diverge and then phf can exclude the legacy one or w/e it is he does to them
1747435;1512589357;asciilifeform;they won't diverge though
1747436;1512589370;mircea_popescu;oh, it's a clerical problem only ?
1747437;1512589373;asciilifeform;think about it. aha.
1747438;1512589387;asciilifeform;it's a straight formattingbug.
1747439;1512589388;mircea_popescu;so then why doesn't it press ? there's something amiss here.
1747440;1512589397;asciilifeform;it doesn't press because vtron chokes on the timestamps.
1747441;1512589402;asciilifeform;they should not be in the hashlines.
1747442;1512589409;*;BingoBoingo opting out of major decisions until getting in a full sleep in. But, Haz uruguayan numero de telefono
1747443;1512589413;mircea_popescu;so then why is it on eg phf's site
1747444;1512589419;asciilifeform;( they however were in there, in asciilifeform's ~original~ vtron . and vdiff . )
1747445;1512589434;mircea_popescu;im guessing we're just about ready to tighten format here
1747446;1512589436;asciilifeform;phf's vtron apparently is clever, and able to eat both types.
1747447;1512589438;mircea_popescu;SOFT FORK!
1747448;1512589444;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the crapola was formally abolished in v proper.
1747449;1512589452;asciilifeform;phf's is 'too liberal'.
1747450;1512589462;mircea_popescu;aite then.
1747451;1512589470;asciilifeform;mod6's is actually correct, though i'd prefer it barf loudly and with pomp, rather than silently.
1747452;1512589625;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, suppose diana_coman wants to add a patch to mod6's vtron, to better error messages
1747453;1512589633;mircea_popescu;(because complaining of absent-present file is no good)
1747454;1512589637;mircea_popescu;WHERE does she put it ?
1747455;1512589644;mircea_popescu;mod6 wanna genesis your vtron ?
1747456;1512589647;asciilifeform;i tried it with diana_coman's copy of asciilifeform's last vtron, and it has correct barfola
1747457;1512589653;asciilifeform;says 'are you sure this is a vpatch'
1747458;1512589661;asciilifeform;which immediately took me to the culprit
1747459;1512589665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and how about you./
1747460;1512589675;asciilifeform;pretty sure i did ?
1747461;1512589701;mircea_popescu;i dun see it in btcbase
1747462;1512589715;asciilifeform;having to comb l0gz to find these, is becoming painful. any chance of deedbot learning to eat vpatches+sigs, trinque ?
1747463;1512589717;mircea_popescu;atm there's bot, lam-par (terrible name), fg, mpi and ffa.
1747464;1512589730;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol i'm all ears if you have better name for lam-par
1747465;1512589731;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why deedbot ? should be a111.
1747466;1512589748;asciilifeform;traditionally deedbot is the one who eats signed matter
1747467;1512589754;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : "Lamport Parachute (a crypto identity bootstrap solution)"
1747468;1512589766;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you misunderstand teh tradition!
1747469;1512589773;mircea_popescu;!#s ".sig"
1747470;1512589774;a111;217 results for "\".sig\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22.sig%22
1747471;1512589779;mircea_popescu;!#s ".patch"
1747472;1512589779;a111;111 results for "\".patch\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22.patch%22
1747473;1512589830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform phf pluriously said he's doing it by hand for now ; i see no problem with this. correct procedure would thereby be to ping him with items
1747474;1512590363;asciilifeform;>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 << updated
1747475;1512590370;asciilifeform;^ mod6 , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , phf , et al
1747476;1512590405;asciilifeform;clean ( in terms of not actually having any effect on pressed hashes and the descendant patch 'second cut' ) fix.
1747477;1512590448;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plox to verify that this worx as described above, when you get a chance.
1747478;1512590464;asciilifeform;i tested with my vtron, as pictured in diana_coman's tarball, and it worx.
1747479;1512590511;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform has purged afaik all copies of old-style vdiff.sh from his boxen, so this headache should not recur.
1747480;1512590538;asciilifeform;i recommend other folx to look at their vdiff, and see that it does not suffer from timestampism.
1747481;1512590552;asciilifeform;( pretty sure asciilifeform is not the only one who has committed this sin. )
1747482;1512590593;asciilifeform;phf: if you had some code in your patch viewer to eat this type of horror, as 'special case', it is now a good time to throw it out
1747483;1512590604;asciilifeform;afaik i dun have any other unfixed vpatches.
1747484;1512590621;asciilifeform;( aside from some obsolete matter on trb ml )
1747485;1512590980;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747462 << don't want to step on phf's toes here; he's operating the logger and v-patch viewer
1747486;1512590980;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 19:48 asciilifeform: having to comb l0gz to find these, is becoming painful. any chance of deedbot learning to eat vpatches+sigs, trinque ?
1747487;1512591044;asciilifeform;let me also demonstrate for the record:
1747488;1512591056;asciilifeform;grep "+++" mpi-genesis.vdiff | cut -f5 -d' ' | sort > sad.txt
1747489;1512591067;asciilifeform;grep "+++" mpi-genesis.vpatch | cut -f3 -d' ' | sort > happy.txt
1747490;1512591071;asciilifeform;diff sad.txt happy.txt
1747491;1512591073;asciilifeform;^ null
1747492;1512591112;asciilifeform;( one is, if it isn't clear, the 2015 sad genesis; the other -- the fixed, in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747474 . )
1747493;1512591112;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 19:59 asciilifeform: >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 << updated
1747494;1512591128;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig for the l0gz.
1747495;1512591140;asciilifeform;^^^ mod6 , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , phf , et al ^^^
1747496;1512591224;mircea_popescu;ok ok simmar down
1747497;1512591269;asciilifeform;the issue is as fixed as it gets. i posted the grep item as example of how to verify, without even a vtron, that nothing has been slipped in from under the table.
1747498;1512591275;diana_coman;asciilifeform, thank you, I'll look in a minute; (had all hands full a minute here with all sorts)
1747499;1512591288;asciilifeform;( a working vtron will immediately barf if encountering a file mismatching the claimed hash )
1747500;1512591373;mod6;alright, im about to check your new ones here.  i can confirm that the original 'mpi-genesis.vpatch' (f254bedf1e3241eb9de17232b630a0614f1cc54ff9c5407d87d79174e211833bcfc0135c89b4abcab2446acd93137a8e1b0798704ad7e4d498cc52c836c82c2b) gets dropped on the floor because of the addtional timestamps.
1747501;1512592092;diana_coman;I can confirm that the new genesis & the old second_cut vpatch are now at least recognised by mod6's v
1747502;1512592147;diana_coman;asciilifeform, did you take out the second_cut patch link from the updated http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 ? or am I just not seeing it/not getting something?
1747503;1512592163;asciilifeform;ugh
1747504;1512592167;asciilifeform;ffs
1747505;1512592172;*;asciilifeform goes to see
1747506;1512592301;mod6;now, on the other hand, yeah, i saw the second_cut vpatch link removed from loper... but I went ahead and updated my sandbox to have alf's latest & greatest mpi-genesis.
1747507;1512592310;mod6;when i went to press, bzzzt.
1747508;1512592326;mod6;looks like second_cut might need a re-grind.
1747509;1512592350;asciilifeform;diana_coman: fixed
1747510;1512592364;asciilifeform;mod6: show me the eggog ?
1747511;1512592376;asciilifeform;it SHOULD NOT NEEED REGRIND FFS
1747512;1512592437;diana_coman;asciilifeform, here it seems to barf on the ...README file?
1747513;1512592459;asciilifeform;grr
1747514;1512592470;asciilifeform;paste ?
1747515;1512592511;asciilifeform;considering that i made the new genesis by pressing and re-vdiffing, there should be no differences aside from the timestamp cut.
1747516;1512592512;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0dlz1/?raw=true
1747517;1512592524;diana_coman;2 out of 5 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file mpi/README.rej and contents of README.rej are here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J8ESM/?raw=true
1747518;1512592529;mod6;yup, unhappy with README
1747519;1512592581;diana_coman;aha, seems to be same here, confirmed
1747520;1512592592;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mod6 that text only appears in 'second cut'
1747521;1512592594;asciilifeform;not in genesis
1747522;1512592622;asciilifeform;it does not appear in either the original genesis, nor the regrind, see for yourself.
1747523;1512592641;asciilifeform;( i.e. the text in 'UPDATE #1' )
1747524;1512592696;diana_coman;asciilifeform, there is something I don't understand: shouldn't I be able to press the second cut now with the new genesis present?
1747525;1512592701;asciilifeform;yes!!!
1747526;1512592710;diana_coman;so then : I try to press and I get...that
1747527;1512592731;diana_coman;is there now a problem with second_cut?
1747528;1512592738;*;diana_coman goes to take it again
1747529;1512592739;asciilifeform;whereas i just now 'pressed' the old and the new genesis with plain old   patch -p1 < old   and patch -p1 < new
1747530;1512592745;asciilifeform;and diffed the READMEs
1747531;1512592749;asciilifeform;and they are bitwise identical
1747532;1512592752;asciilifeform;just as they ought to be
1747533;1512592756;asciilifeform;and so is the rest of it!
1747534;1512592768;diana_coman;uhm, something is weird
1747535;1512592794;*;mircea_popescu admires how the "finished" mpi managed to take a whole day of 3 people's time and shakes his head displeasedly.
1747536;1512592804;mircea_popescu;this can't be what finished ever means.
1747537;1512592871;asciilifeform;what means 'finished', it's a spoil of war artifact.
1747538;1512592898;asciilifeform;( and fwiw phf pressed and built the demo year+ ago )
1747539;1512592943;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mod6 , both of you appear to be suffering from mod6's barfolade-leaving vtron
1747540;1512592947;asciilifeform;it stops mid-press and leaves liquishit
1747541;1512592954;asciilifeform;which it itself afterwards fails on
1747542;1512592979;asciilifeform;make a fresh working set, with no failed-press residue, and you will get a working press.
1747543;1512592985;diana_coman;asciilifeform, this was FRESH
1747544;1512592992;asciilifeform;plox to tar it up and post ?
1747545;1512592996;diana_coman;wiped previous dir, took everything out with curl etc
1747546;1512592997;asciilifeform;whole thing, as before.
1747547;1512593013;*;asciilifeform brb, teatime.
1747548;1512593014;diana_coman;I'll wipe again and try your v too for completeness at least
1747549;1512593202;mod6;<+asciilifeform> diana_coman, mod6 , both of you appear to be suffering from mod6's barfolade-leaving vtron << wut
1747550;1512593282;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 wanna genesis your vtron ? << at this rate, doesn't look like it.
1747551;1512593282;mod6;Despite 2 years of development, we still arn't there yet.
1747552;1512593336;trinque;genesis doesn't have to mean perfect.
1747553;1512593345;mod6;I had started a new V in Ada, had to stick it in the drawer for a while.  Not getting to exactly where I wanted to go (easy to read, fits in head, no perl/perlisms) with it at this time.
1747554;1512593353;trinque;nobody's going to come for you with pitchforks
1747555;1512593374;mod6;Anyway, the hope was that it would replace my other PoC.
1747556;1512593416;trinque;ircbot's genesis features me writing CLOS like it's Java classes.
1747557;1512593431;mod6;<+mod6> <+asciilifeform> diana_coman, mod6 , both of you appear to be suffering from mod6's barfolade-leaving vtron << wut << my V pukes exactly when it can.
1747558;1512593457;mod6;during the press process, it finds that shas do not match the expected, and DIES.
1747559;1512593466;trinque;will at some point release vpatches with sane method names. but thing works, and I'm not going to obscure history because I knew less in the past.
1747560;1512593477;mod6;it can't check the expected sha of a patch BEFORE its DONE patching.
1747561;1512593506;mod6;s/patch/patched file/
1747562;1512593592;*;asciilifeform back
1747563;1512593619;asciilifeform;now where's that tarball
1747564;1512593629;mod6;which
1747565;1512593656;asciilifeform;either diana_coman's or mod6's barfamatic set
1747566;1512593670;asciilifeform;at this point i'm quite curious re what gives
1747567;1512593710;mod6;everytime we have this problem (note it's not the first) where we have someones vpatch with garbage in it....
1747568;1512593717;mod6;then it gets re-generated
1747569;1512593722;mod6;then we have to regrind stuff.
1747570;1512593727;mod6;goto regrind;
1747571;1512593748;asciilifeform;mod6: in this case asciilifeform is quite puzzled why it appears to need a regrind; none of the file hashes should have changed
1747572;1512593762;asciilifeform;( patches themselves are never hashed , aside from by gpg when verifying sig )
1747573;1512593874;asciilifeform;confirmed barf on readme
1747574;1512593883;asciilifeform;now trying to find why !
1747575;1512593890;asciilifeform;( the two README are bitwise-identical )
1747576;1512593893;mod6;ok. i'll see what i can dig up
1747577;1512593918;diana_coman;asciilifeform, mk, so no need for the tar I gather since you can easily reproduce it anyway
1747578;1512593940;asciilifeform;ok this is pretty sad
1747579;1512593950;asciilifeform;how come nobody bothered to look at second_cut with naked eye ?
1747580;1512593950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> what means 'finished', it's a spoil of war artifact. << that's entirely not related to the discussion.
1747581;1512593995;asciilifeform;phf how the hell did this get eaten by your vtron
1747582;1512594050;asciilifeform;the second_cut on my www -- is not a proper patch at all
1747583;1512594065;asciilifeform;but a genesis . all of the antecedents are 'false'
1747584;1512594085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's the smaller problem.
1747585;1512594097;mircea_popescu;the larger problem is that to arrive to this conclusion, you first bitched at everyone else.
1747586;1512594097;asciilifeform;the bigger problem is that nobody noticed.
1747587;1512594101;mircea_popescu;no.
1747588;1512594119;mircea_popescu;now stop doing this inane shit, it's a significant drag on resources.
1747589;1512594120;mod6;fwiw, i've never even looked at this!
1747590;1512594121;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 9 of 10 occasions it is somebody else's bug!1
1747591;1512594134;mircea_popescu;2 of 2 here.
1747592;1512594151;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at any rate, mod6 is right , i'ma have to regrind the 2nd patch. and also stuck , deservedly, with the chore of demonstrating that the payloads are unaltered.
1747593;1512594159;asciilifeform;serves me right.
1747594;1512594200;mircea_popescu;observe that after bitching about the quality of work in empire, along the lines of "everything works for as long as you don't use it", our pile of stuff exhibits the same exact property.
1747595;1512594224;asciilifeform;if not tried -- wrong to say that it worx.
1747596;1512594237;asciilifeform;'schrodinger's worx'
1747597;1512594261;asciilifeform;now i'ma go and get the mop, pick up the liquishit, brb.
1747598;1512594271;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746776
1747599;1512594271;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 17:47 asciilifeform: ( lessee if i properly ate & shat, 'i do not consider myself a programmer, for i have another craft. let's say i am an amateur programmer. and yet though i am an amateur, i find myself having written tens of thou. of loc in this-here life. and at least a min of 10k loc for web. but wanna hear sumthing ? never have i created a security hole in any. never. do you suppose i simply had good luck ? possibly luck. or possibly i wrote the c
1747600;1512594310;mod6;I should have examined/tested your mpi vpatches, alf.  I'll continue to try to be a second pair of eyes, reading them.  There's no substitute for reading.  For those following along, take note.
1747601;1512594324;asciilifeform;and i oughta properly read yer vtron, mod6 .
1747602;1512594389;mod6;Cheers!
1747603;1512594496;mod6;Additionally, if someone in the republic wishes to create a vpatch/genesis and have a second pair of eyes look it over, by all means, send it to me.
1747604;1512594512;mod6;I'll do what I can to vet it.
1747605;1512594611;*;trinque respectfully points out that at least by his eyes, V forces personal responsibility, not a pretense to being immaculately conceived.
1747606;1512594637;mod6;indeed.
1747607;1512594655;mod6;never hurts to have someone measure for the n'th time for you before you cut, however.
1747608;1512594668;trinque;no argument here.
1747609;1512594679;asciilifeform;this is not the 1st time i plugged a finger into 220v. the breaker, i will however point out -- worked
1747610;1512594687;asciilifeform;now to see which finger...
1747611;1512594866;mod6;<+trinque> genesis doesn't have to mean perfect. <+trinque> nobody's going to come for you with pitchforks  << no one expects a spanish something or other either...
1747612;1512594890;trinque;loller
1747613;1512594922;mod6;but furthermore, i tend to agree.  if i thought that my V would stay in perl forever, i'd probably already have created the genesis.  however, i'd like to see if I can get the Ada version off the ground.
1747614;1512594924;asciilifeform;ok this is pretty strange:
1747615;1512594955;asciilifeform;i broke 'second cut' into patchons, and found :
1747616;1512594956;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/RP2TH/?raw=true
1747617;1512594961;asciilifeform;AND http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tpDxG/?raw=true
1747618;1512594964;trinque;mod6: makes sense, not vpatching a prototype
1747619;1512594971;mod6;because what i don't want to do is have a perl genesis, then some vpatch that deletes everything and inflates a bunch of ada stuffs.  prolly be better to start in the lang you expect to say within for the lifetime of the application.
1747620;1512594985;asciilifeform;or hm nm
1747621;1512594987;*;asciilifeform brb
1747622;1512595020;mircea_popescu;mod6 it's not a crime to have a perl vtron. however, if you plan as your own strategy to move away from perl and you're judging it more of a liability than anything, then by all means, eschew.
1747623;1512595112;mircea_popescu;original mod6 perl vtron was important prototype in the early life of v, made all sorts of latter things possible. exactly like original bitcoin. nobody said you have to marry it now though ; or divorce it for that matter.
1747624;1512595123;mod6;It /is/ a bit worrysome that I believe that I'm the only person who knows how it works.  And since it's the only version in existence that encompasses all of the rules arbitrated in our chamber, that a new version that is easier to understand is warranted.
1747625;1512595150;mircea_popescu;what language(s) you work in is your own, entirely personal, choice.
1747626;1512595166;mircea_popescu;i'm not going to pick a wife for you, "here, THIS is the woman you should be comfortable with". pick your own. languages idem.
1747627;1512595176;mod6;:]
1747628;1512595285;mircea_popescu;on a long enough timeframe, there's going to exist a vtron in ~any language anyway, i expect.
1747629;1512595288;asciilifeform;hey folx
1747630;1512595298;mod6;mircea_popescu: that's kinda neat really
1747631;1512595301;mod6;asciilifeform: werd
1747632;1512595303;asciilifeform;i'ma double-chexk this before running mouth...
1747633;1512595310;asciilifeform;because i think i may have found a bug in diff
1747634;1512595315;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1747635;1512595323;mod6;:D
1747636;1512595328;asciilifeform;i'ma tar it up and let people replicate
1747637;1512595332;mod6;ok.
1747638;1512595333;mod6;cool
1747639;1512595357;mircea_popescu;inb4 ffa.diff reimpl
1747640;1512595416;mod6;haha
1747641;1512595515;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/wtf.tar.gz
1747642;1512595536;*;mod6 looks
1747643;1512595576;asciilifeform;there was no mistake in asciilifeform's procedure for baking the item. second_cut is in fact a patch, not a genesis, asciilifeform spoke hastily. there is also no bug in mod6's vtron, or in asciilifeform's. diana_coman did not make a mistake.
1747644;1512595607;asciilifeform;i will not spoil the surprise , folx who look in the tarball will see what the caltrop was.
1747645;1512595682;asciilifeform;the sad part is that i have nfi how to cure this , it is a consequence of using unix diff ( with in-band signal ) to begin with.
1747646;1512595742;asciilifeform;( observe that the sha512 sums of the readme in 'a' and 'b' match the ones given in the vpatch. but unix patch cannot actually make the patch happen. )
1747647;1512595865;mod6;crap, just a sec, haven't even looked yet.  bbs.
1747648;1512595995;asciilifeform;i recall a similar boojum in my 1st attempt at the FG release, that time it was a '+++' inside a uuencoded blob
1747649;1512596022;asciilifeform;some texts cannot be (!) vdiffed, for so long as we use unix diff; these appearently include gpg sigs
1747650;1512596030;*;asciilifeform brb, fresh air
1747651;1512596047;asciilifeform;( clearsigs, to be exact . )
1747652;1512596065;asciilifeform;*apparently
1747653;1512596067;*;asciilifeform brb forrealz
1747654;1512596117;mod6;<+asciilifeform> i recall a similar boojum in my 1st attempt at the FG release, that time it was a '+++' inside a uuencoded blob << lol, ok i see the problem too.  you're right, this similar thing happened before.
1747655;1512596622;mircea_popescu;lol check it out, diana got split with the bots.
1747656;1512596721;*;BingoBoingo recalls diff being an issue, forgets the context
1747657;1512596780;mircea_popescu;we'll end up with a s/-/=/ intermediate step or wtf.
1747658;1512596880;mircea_popescu;alternately, of course... "no clearsigned material within patches". this may even be a right thing independently of the actual bug.
1747659;1512596943;mircea_popescu;in that there's no reason to have them, and their presence is in itself sign of babbage's braindamage, much like say a canister for light, or a faucet for patience.
1747660;1512596988;trinque;differently wrong on openbsd patch
1747661;1512596991;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xOpgc/?raw=true
1747662;1512597022;trinque;a read of the manfile of linux patch suggests *massive* fuckery to allow idjits to pull patches out of other text, email, newsgroups, etc
1747663;1512597097;BingoBoingo;Well, when discussing trb on Openbsd we are talking something that spans 5.5-ish and ends no later than 6.1
1747664;1512597183;trinque;who was? just trying a patch with bsd stubble vs gnu moss-hair
1747665;1512597253;BingoBoingo;trinque: Their move to clang as default compiler makes pain
1747666;1512597425;mircea_popescu;i suppose the third alternative is to actually implement a proper diff as part of vtron
1747667;1512597676;phf;there's nothing wrong with the diff, asciilifeform is thrashing
1747668;1512597915;phf;if you just run a diff -uNr on the two readmes, the resultant patch works. if you run a diff on the resulting patch and the vpatch in the tar, then you can see that there's something wrong with the vpatch specifically
1747669;1512598008;phf;------BEGIN PGP false
1747670;1512598018;phf;from readme_only.vpatch
1747671;1512598055;phf;ah, so what's actually broken in this particular case, is the original v implementation
1747672;1512598057;trinque;ah so the vdiff script wrapping diff probably did that?
1747673;1512598064;phf;yeah
1747674;1512598069;trinque;makes total sense
1747675;1512598140;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches/mpi_second_cut#L5316 you can also see it in mpi_second_cut http://btcbase.org/patches/mpi_second_cut#L5316
1747676;1512598179;phf;err
1747677;1512598358;phf;so this error wouldn't surface until very last mile, in my case http://btcbase.org/patches/mpi_second_cut/tree/mpi/README fails to press
1747678;1512598367;phf;[2017-12-06 22:12:39 [ERROR]] removing line [-----BEGIN PGP false] but found [-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----]
1747679;1512598990;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747668 << does not in fact work on my box
1747680;1512598990;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 22:05 phf: if you just run a diff -uNr on the two readmes, the resultant patch works. if you run a diff on the resulting patch and the vpatch in the tar, then you can see that there's something wrong with the vpatch specifically
1747681;1512598997;asciilifeform;i get same result as with mod6's vtron
1747682;1512599047;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747657 << this wouldn't fix the problem, only move it. thinkaboutit. inband signalling sux.
1747683;1512599047;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 21:46 mircea_popescu: we'll end up with a s/-/=/ intermediate step or wtf.
1747684;1512599091;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747672 << correct. same item as  :
1747685;1512599091;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 22:07 trinque: ah so the vdiff script wrapping diff probably did that?
1747686;1512599094;asciilifeform;!#s +++
1747687;1512599095;a111;90 results for "+++", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%2B%2B%2B
1747688;1512599113;phf;asciilifeform: you're misrepresenting the problem
1747689;1512599146;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596657 and originally http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581502 )
1747690;1512599146;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 00:43 asciilifeform: incidentally you will blow up on the +++ mine if you try and diff a vdiff.
1747691;1512599146;a111;Logged on 2016-12-11 20:15 asciilifeform: and haha, there are TWO +++ lines !
1747692;1512599149;asciilifeform;phf: hm?
1747693;1512599204;asciilifeform;i'm all ears, phf . but my current understanding is that the problem is in that vdiff cannot eat arbitrary 7bitclean ascii files.
1747694;1512599248;asciilifeform;( instead it can only eat ones that dun contain '---' and '+++' and possibly other boojums )
1747695;1512599315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform move it where ?
1747696;1512599323;asciilifeform;i'm also allears re: what a Properly Made vdiff oughta do. 'replace with ===' is not an answer, it simply creates a new magic death word, ===.
1747697;1512599349;mircea_popescu;nah. keep the current death word (---) ; replace all conflicts in raw input to ===.
1747698;1512599355;phf;the problem is not diff or diff format, the problem is that vdiff does a naive grep for a prefix and breaks a perfectly valid traditional patch
1747699;1512599356;asciilifeform;this will break code.
1747700;1512599359;asciilifeform;in particular, ada comments.
1747701;1512599365;asciilifeform;a great many of them.
1747702;1512599377;mircea_popescu;yes well. if you use in-band you end up with policed forbidden words.
1747703;1512599388;asciilifeform;phf: this is entirely correct. i dun see how it contradicts what i said however.
1747704;1512599408;phf;well, diff produces enough information for you to not have to do that.
1747705;1512599429;asciilifeform;phf: can you come up with a pill that doesn't break ada comments ?
1747706;1512599433;phf;but it will require either writing a vdiff from scratch, or else adding a better parser to vdiff
1747707;1512599438;asciilifeform;which also are often '[startofline]---'
1747708;1512599453;mircea_popescu;i thought ada comments were --
1747709;1512599454;asciilifeform;and quite often even '[startofline]--- foo'
1747710;1512599455;phf;yes, diff gives you exhaustive details about hunk size
1747711;1512599462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they gotta ~start~ with --
1747712;1512599463;phf;e.g. @@ -1,6 +1,3 @@
1747713;1512599465;asciilifeform;no other restriction.
1747714;1512599485;asciilifeform;phf: classical v does not touch these or attempt to use'em for anything.
1747715;1512599490;phf;correct
1747716;1512599499;asciilifeform;and i like it that way.
1747717;1512599500;mircea_popescu;moar complicated machinery ;/
1747718;1512599506;phf;_but it will require either writing a vdiff from scratch, or else adding a better parser to vdiff_
1747719;1512599531;asciilifeform;phf mircea_popescu mod6 et al any of you lot want to propose wat-do in this particular case ?
1747720;1512599533;phf;in this case "better parser" is a parser that actually understands the format it's processing
1747721;1512599536;asciilifeform;( of 'second_cut' )
1747722;1512599583;phf;you can hand produce a second_cut that's not broken by tooling
1747723;1512599590;asciilifeform;in the earlier FG case i 'cheated' by rejecting the use of the uuencoded blogs in the 1st place
1747724;1512599593;asciilifeform;phf: specifically ?
1747725;1512599601;asciilifeform;say how ? to lose the gpg clearsig ?
1747726;1512599605;phf;no.
1747727;1512599606;phf;ffs.
1747728;1512599609;asciilifeform;if i mutilate it, it will no longer verify
1747729;1512599623;phf;you want me to write a second_cut by hand that presses cleanly?
1747730;1512599626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you shouldn't put gpg clearsigned bits in a patch in the first place.
1747731;1512599638;phf;and that doesn't in any way require breaking the files?
1747732;1512599646;mircea_popescu;phf since you're offering...
1747733;1512599658;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ideally not. this readme.txt however was made to stand alone, in a blog article, and hence contained clearsig.
1747734;1512599704;mircea_popescu;and a rule whereby ada comments are "-- " not "--" is not the end of the world either.
1747735;1512599706;asciilifeform;i will point out that the mpi genesis was created in oct. of 2015, when v was 2 mo. old.
1747736;1512599739;asciilifeform;i am not adding extraneous rules to ada to satisfy idiotparser.
1747737;1512599752;mircea_popescu;stylistic rules happen all the time. "name variables like this".
1747738;1512599755;mircea_popescu;it's what it is.
1747739;1512599770;mircea_popescu;idiotparser has the extreme advantage of not even being a parser, ie, simplicity.
1747740;1512599789;asciilifeform;this is not a solution.
1747741;1512599793;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1747742;1512599797;phf;http://btcbase.org/data/mpi_second_cut.vpatch
1747743;1512599801;*;asciilifeform reads
1747744;1512599874;trinque;vdiff just needs to match diff chunk header lines better, and fixed.
1747745;1512599877;asciilifeform;phf: i see what you did. but how would you modify vdiff to actually produce this ?
1747746;1512599879;asciilifeform;rather than by hand
1747747;1512599888;asciilifeform;trinque: vdiff is 1line.
1747748;1512599896;asciilifeform;what 1line would you like to replace the old 1line with ?
1747749;1512599935;trinque;a better 1line
1747750;1512599962;trinque;as if that ball of hair is readable
1747751;1512599966;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PNipc/?raw=true << what phf did. for reference.
1747752;1512599973;phf;~vdiff~ is broken. not diff, not lizard hitler, not gnu stack
1747753;1512599986;trinque;but it appears to say anything starting with --- must be diffheaderstuff
1747754;1512599987;asciilifeform;phf is entirely right. it is broken exactly as in the earlier '+++' case
1747755;1512599990;trinque;that's stupid
1747756;1512600034;mircea_popescu;hey! change the grep ? from "---" to "--- " ?
1747757;1512600057;asciilifeform;this will fix this case. but not the general case.
1747758;1512600060;mircea_popescu;and similarily for +++. buys some space.
1747759;1512600063;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes.
1747760;1512600086;mircea_popescu;still, ironclad argument that current grep is broken : looks for PART OF the header it should.
1747761;1512600099;mircea_popescu;the correct diff header is "--- " ; not "-" nor "---".
1747762;1512600145;asciilifeform;i'ma upload a signed phf-cured second_cut presently, if no one can think of a reason not to
1747763;1512600159;asciilifeform;( as seen in above diff )
1747764;1512600186;mircea_popescu;no.
1747765;1512600191;mircea_popescu;take out the god damned clearsigns.
1747766;1512600207;mircea_popescu;they utterly don't belong there. you got a .sig mechanism for this.
1747767;1512600207;asciilifeform;works also
1747768;1512600231;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/3-idiots-in-preference-of-saying-indians-are-cognitively-impaired-for-reason-of-genetic-inferiority/ << Trilema - "3 idiots", in preference of saying "Indians are cognitively impaired for reason of genetic inferiority"
1747769;1512600244;asciilifeform;the problem is more or less guaranteed to recur, however, i suspect.
1747770;1512600257;mircea_popescu;vdiff should be fixed to search for the full 4 char header also.
1747771;1512600259;mircea_popescu;and yes the problem will recur.
1747772;1512600289;asciilifeform;i'ma practice test-press prior to publication, from nao on
1747773;1512600295;asciilifeform;unfortunately this is necessary.
1747774;1512600299;mircea_popescu;you WEREN'T ?
1747775;1512600303;asciilifeform;not in oct 2015 !
1747776;1512600315;mircea_popescu;nothing unfortunate about this being necessary.
1747777;1512600440;asciilifeform;btw phf your cure is not curative
1747778;1512600454;asciilifeform;it still barfs on readme (1 chunk, instead of 2)
1747779;1512600455;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1747780;1512600466;asciilifeform;i'ma do what mircea_popescu said.
1747781;1512600497;mircea_popescu;i expect his method (add the terminating ---s the thing expects even if spurious) works even if implementation may need work. tho i dun wanna go down this road.
1747782;1512600569;mircea_popescu;incidentally -- which sha512 are we using ? not keccak is it.
1747783;1512600635;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1747784;1512600643;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13580.0, vol: 18744.29712103 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13479.0, vol: 77434.31525352 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13741.0, vol: 4927.96991047 | Volume-weighted last average: 13510.4945086
1747785;1512600647;asciilifeform;sha512 is the ancient sha512
1747786;1512600654;asciilifeform;long pre-dates invention of keccak .
1747787;1512600657;mircea_popescu;ie sha-2, fips 180-2
1747788;1512600668;asciilifeform;aha, that very same. same work of heathenry as sha256.
1747789;1512600675;mircea_popescu;right.
1747790;1512600681;asciilifeform;keccak afaik ships with no unix, to this day.
1747791;1512600685;mircea_popescu;if we start fucking with vdiff, this is the first mover.
1747792;1512600690;mircea_popescu;once we have keccak.
1747793;1512600695;asciilifeform;i'd quite like to see this.
1747794;1512600719;mircea_popescu;item scheduled for eucrypt lib so keep watch of diana_coman 's blog. can be just taken from there put here.
1747795;1512600733;asciilifeform;neato.
1747796;1512600738;mircea_popescu;if anyone seriously considers re-writing venerable diff/patch into v-dp
1747797;1512601050;asciilifeform;ok here goes:
1747798;1512601084;asciilifeform;genesis and second_cut, patches and sigs, replaced with fixed versions per mircea_popescu's methid;
1747799;1512601086;asciilifeform;*method
1747800;1512601141;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/XIHd7/?raw=true & http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eNbPh/?raw=true show what was done to each vpatch, respectively.
1747801;1512601176;asciilifeform;others are invited to verify that no other changes were made.
1747802;1512601187;asciilifeform;and that the corrected set of patches, presses.
1747803;1512601223;asciilifeform;to to diana_coman , mod6 , mircea_popescu , phf , for their sweat .
1747804;1512601227;asciilifeform;*ty
1747805;1512601542;asciilifeform;corrected items ( and their seals ) are live at same place, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747494 .
1747806;1512601542;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 20:12 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig for the l0gz.
1747807;1512601591;asciilifeform;fa32a27b8ac0753d6052abd37f56df545490315c3019ab0c9e695543f1f14b6bf70aba29a88982eea82a1e8c4a112e6cb9d4e4553062a977bb0bac38ddd91981  mpi-genesis.vpatch
1747808;1512601603;asciilifeform;fba9ea0ece4c138f9510f20a91942dde57ca2273da2ee776004dc2404dbdf815283b05aa2487689c13043882ce65a09a2a9ef33bde444b4a9fedc5971fdf8a3a  mpi_second_cut.vpatch
1747809;1512601616;asciilifeform;b05ca401ecfe3f5bfa8794377241db12f5dc302fc552075ab3c78e7379b5b6a838af6d37d725798556cb27bc57213c388c92fa9b06f2e9233264b3ea8f89824f  mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
1747810;1512601630;asciilifeform;cab965c726b50f98e3d74a1be4b119dcf65c9900749d33707525c94c1432b855f2e3d39043a4fbb9d907fe3853242fccd773017a2d3763bdd76fbc9a6f6a01dd  mpi_second_cut.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
1747811;1512601640;asciilifeform;apologies for log clutter.
1747812;1512601775;mircea_popescu;ya srsly.
1747813;1512601793;asciilifeform;pretty sure this is all, tho.
1747814;1512601910;diana_coman;I can confirm this version presses with mod6's vtron
1747815;1512602012;asciilifeform;interestingly , this item was the 2nd thing asciilifeform ever genesised ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000175.html ) . 1st was trb.
1747816;1512602144;asciilifeform;the genesis contained the clearsig. this did not choke vdiff, it ended up on the right side of a genuine +++ , there was no symptom of problem.
1747817;1512602175;asciilifeform;the second_cut however did not contain the clearsig. this -- set the trap.
1747818;1512602179;mircea_popescu;yes, perfect properties to make a subtle bug
1747819;1512602182;asciilifeform;aha.
1747820;1512602468;asciilifeform;elsewhere in subtle bugs, http://trilema.com/2017/3-idiots-in-preference-of-saying-indians-are-cognitively-impaired-for-reason-of-genetic-inferiority/#comment-123826
1747821;1512602688;diana_coman;I can also confirm that it presses with asciilifeform's v and moreover that the 2 results are - as expected - same
1747822;1512602703;asciilifeform;should be same other than for the readme, aha.
1747823;1512603070;asciilifeform;diana_coman and anyone else who builds, tests, studies this item, is invited to sign.
1747824;1512603185;diana_coman;asciilifeform, will do
1747825;1512603203;asciilifeform;same goes for ch1 of ffa, incidentally.
1747826;1512603233;diana_coman;good point there, huh
1747827;1512603233;asciilifeform;anyone who considers self a 'graduate' of ch1, i.e. having loaded it Into Head, is invited to sign the genesis.
1747828;1512603252;asciilifeform;i will host the seals.
1747829;1512603261;asciilifeform;( and phf prolly also, he has a convenient place for this )
1747830;1512610509;asciilifeform;meanwhile in pertinent oldies, http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/
1747831;1512611799;mircea_popescu;heh
1747832;1512612002;mircea_popescu;this is actually a great fucking article!
1747833;1512613419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps deserves a sequel ?
1747834;1512614248;mircea_popescu;i think so.
1747835;1512615437;mircea_popescu;and in other "omg i can't believe this still exists", http://violentacres.com/two-phrases-that-destroyed-american-culture/
1747836;1512617340;mod6;asciilifeform: I can confirm that your new patches & sigs (posted above) at least ~press~ happily: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1islx/?raw=true
1747837;1512617860;mod6;<+diana_coman> I can confirm this version presses with mod6's vtron << thanks for checking this out too!
1747838;1512618318;asciilifeform;neato. ty mod6 .
1747839;1512618328;mod6;np o7
1747840;1512618351;asciilifeform;lol mircea_popescu : asciilifeform habitually read the chix, ~decade ago
1747841;1512618396;asciilifeform;had nfi it were still around somewhere.
1747842;1512618623;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1747843;1512618634;mircea_popescu;was one of the maybe i dunno, 6 ? 10 ? bloggers worth the mention.
1747844;1512618833;mircea_popescu;"sweetney" (period idiot) meanwhile morphed into tracey gaughran, for instance. lives in baltimore, is a "digital content and strategy" aka http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-31.1330-31.1456
1747845;1512620792;mircea_popescu;http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/violent-acres/ << remember like ... 5 years ago, when people still could emit readable text ?
1747846;1512626710;mircea_popescu;re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656598 since might as well archive it, http://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web
1747847;1512626710;a111;Logged on 2017-05-15 21:59 mircea_popescu: anywya, im not reading this pile of garbage ; but from the skimming -- the whole argument is born of ignorance. reddit got its start as a heaven for child porn peddlers who got banned on digg.
1747848;1512645490;diana_coman;hm, is there a clear convention re patch names ? using - or _ as separators? mod6's *very useful* guide at http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html seems to suggest _ but the collection of patches seems to use both - and _
1747849;1512645807;mircea_popescu;_
1747850;1512645876;mircea_popescu;mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
1747851;1512645890;mircea_popescu;noncompliant items can i guess go in 'experimental' or whatever ghetto.
1747852;1512645935;mircea_popescu;let me change that : "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" should read "no '--- ' or '+++ ' as first 4 characters of any line -- you have been warned"
1747853;1512645949;mircea_popescu;trinque !
1747854;1512646050;mircea_popescu;o hey it stopped. magic.
1747855;1512646628;diana_coman;and hm, maybe update the vdiff linked from http://thebitcoin.foundation/ if there's a newer version
1747856;1512646867;mircea_popescu;aha.
1747857;1512648166;mircea_popescu;in other things that happened in 2017, michael vick quit.
1747858;1512648197;mircea_popescu;(only famous for organizing dogfights in defiance of femocracy & pantsuit)
1747859;1512648336;*;diana_coman has no idea who michael vick is
1747860;1512648521;mircea_popescu;one of the any other famous "afro-american" blacks (ie, athlete)
1747861;1512649074;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha this gotta be in teh logs : http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/dick-mastersons-2009-man-challenge/#more-1207
1747862;1512649096;mircea_popescu;dude's ~as maddox-knockoffy / dumb as i remember it, however, "The Pick Up Artist community has turned thousands of young men into silly cheap-shits. Their “The Game” plan is simple: 1. Don’t pay for shit. 2. ? 3. Pussy! But that’s like switching from live bait to dynamite when you’re fishing in the bathtub. Here’s a straighter line between points U and P: 1. Stop dating chicks that aren’t going to fuck you!"
1747863;1512652139;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1747865;1512652274;mircea_popescu;check that out! "bitcoin is now 100% more valuable than it was three weeks ago", in preference of "bitcoin is exactly the same but we're willing to admit twice as much weakness in the worthless fiat than we were three weeks ago"
1747866;1512652343;BingoBoingo;In miscelanous reflections that ought to have made yesterday's log except for brain lag, on the small regional flight economy plus was totally worth it. Window, your seat, aisle, pair of suckers.
1747867;1512652517;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, in Europe at least the "difference" between economy and business class on small regional flights is quite often a... curtain drawn to separate the 2 areas of the aircraft, but not much else (same seats, same space/lack of it, same food if you really need airplane-food on a 2-3 hours flight)
1747868;1512652571;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: There was no business class on the embraer 145, just "ecomomy" on the two seat side of the aisle and "economy plus" on the solo seat side
1747869;1512652622;diana_coman;oh, really small plane
1747870;1512652642;BingoBoingo;The embraer during take off had a feel like my saturn plastic car, that there just might not be enough power to pull off this aviation thing
1747871;1512652705;diana_coman;hm, if I'm looking at the right model it still is some reasonable size; I flew a couple of times to Rome on some 15-seats plane and that was always... interesting
1747872;1512652724;BingoBoingo;From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants
1747873;1512652760;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i had a ride in an even tinier thing in ro, even had propellers
1747874;1512652798;BingoBoingo;diana_coman asciilifeform Ah, it's a plane that seems to find its niche in routes that have demand to be done frequently, but only so many people at a time
1747875;1512652814;asciilifeform;( granted, turboprop, not piston. but still )
1747876;1512652879;mircea_popescu;diana_coman business class got me discretionary rum, which was fucking worth it btw.
1747877;1512652899;mircea_popescu;i went from "just about ready to burn this shit down" to having a grand ole mellow time in the ten minutes it took to get two refills.
1747878;1512652905;*;BingoBoingo did meet some very nice venezualans last night
1747879;1512652913;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, lol, it was surely worth it for them then at least
1747880;1512652917;mircea_popescu;aha.
1747881;1512652944;diana_coman;while I usually do have rum in the house it's (at least supposedly) meant for..caek
1747882;1512652956;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747872 << i was in one of those yellowed plastics, panama->bolivia, and thought 'this could easily be same boeing i came to usa on in '92'
1747883;1512652956;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 13:18 BingoBoingo: From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants
1747884;1512652968;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you don't have good rum.
1747885;1512652987;mircea_popescu;i never managed to find drinkable rum in the old world. so i only drink it this side
1747886;1512652988;*;diana_coman doesn't claim much rum-knowledge
1747887;1512652996;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Was that a Copa plane?
1747888;1512653016;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the latter? yea
1747889;1512653024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty sure i flew tm-bucharest in an actual piston thing.
1747890;1512653045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, in what, a junkers ?
1747891;1512653051;mircea_popescu;antonov
1747892;1512653063;asciilifeform;nuts
1747893;1512653073;mircea_popescu;was still in commercial service in 90s.
1747894;1512653087;asciilifeform;dafuq deedbot
1747895;1512653175;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in greatagains, http://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1878675.html
1747896;1512653197;asciilifeform;'The Restatement (Second) of Torts § 559 lists “membership in the Ku Klux Klan” as the quintessential illustration of a defamatory statement. In an opinion piece in The Detroit News, columnist Bankole Thompson asserted that radio show host James Edwards is a “leader” of the Ku Klux Klan. There is no record evidence to suggest that Edwards holds a formal leadership position in the Ku Klux Klan, nor is there any record evidence 
1747897;1512653197;asciilifeform;this lack of formal relationship, Edwards has espoused views consistent with those associated with the Klan and, equally as important, he has repeatedly and publicly embraced several individuals who are strongly associated with the Klan. Mindful of Aesop's lesson, “A man is known by the company he keeps,” 1 we hold that Edwards cannot make claims of defamation or invasion of privacy and affirm summary disposition in favor of defe
1747898;1512653220;asciilifeform;'
1747899;1512653266;mircea_popescu;gah.
1747900;1512653276;asciilifeform;trinque there ?
1747901;1512653293;mircea_popescu;this new host is pretty shitty.
1747902;1512653366;diana_coman;asciilifeform, mind publishing somewhere your current vdiff?
1747903;1512653379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
1747904;1512653389;mircea_popescu;where the fuck do they find these mental molluscs ?
1747905;1512653390;asciilifeform;diana_coman: pretty sure it is same as mod6 has on trb www
1747906;1512653406;diana_coman;that one seems to still spit timestamps on my machine at least
1747907;1512653447;diana_coman;I did tweak it but I might have gotten something wrong and I'd rather rule this part out before hunting for issues
1747908;1512653461;mircea_popescu;i wonder what laws of magic will be invoked to pretend that tort "ruling" is not precedent for de-licensing medicine.
1747909;1512653467;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma repaste mine, but gotta switch consoles, brb
1747910;1512653764;asciilifeform;diana_coman: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FTn7i/?raw=true
1747911;1512653794;diana_coman;asciilifeform, thank you!
1747912;1512653801;shinohai;How to DoS Ethereum, part iv http://archive.is/Y9u1o
1747913;1512653810;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this is the one i've been using since iirc nov 2015
1747914;1512653823;asciilifeform;it produces the 'standard' vpatch form
1747915;1512653835;diana_coman;aha, it's basically my ...tweaked one except I did not realise I needed a space too
1747916;1512653862;diana_coman;ftr mod6 you might want to update it on foundation's website
1747917;1512653893;asciilifeform;mod6 appears to have my same vdiff
1747918;1512653909;asciilifeform;and not the ancient timestamp-shitting one
1747919;1512653944;diana_coman;ugh, at http://thebitcoin.foundation/ yes; I followed the links from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html though and ended up with old one
1747920;1512653956;diana_coman;my bad, nm
1747921;1512653992;BingoBoingo;The biggest impression montevideo is making on me is that it needs a trip to the BingoBoingo store for white lithium grease and toilet seats that aren't made out of particleboard
1747922;1512653998;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747903 << the reality of present-day usg is that precedent is precedent when they feel like it, and unprecedent when they unfeellikeit
1747923;1512653998;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 13:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
1747924;1512654350;BingoBoingo;In other news, IOC banned Russia from 2018 winter olympics
1747925;1512654373;BingoBoingo;because caught "systemically doping"
1747926;1512654406;BingoBoingo;Unlike USia where environment where doping is mandatory systemically curated
1747927;1512654421;asciilifeform;lol, vs what kind of doping
1747928;1512654493;BingoBoingo;You know the US hapahazard kind where fall guys systemically exist to protect system
1747929;1512654756;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich.
1747930;1512654756;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 13:31 mircea_popescu: i wonder what laws of magic will be invoked to pretend that tort "ruling" is not precedent for de-licensing medicine.
1747931;1512654756;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo tooling in 3rd world is shockingly poor. almost what you'd expect people'd do that never saw tools.
1747932;1512654781;BingoBoingo;Now faucets, that
1747933;1512654789;BingoBoingo;'s poot tooling
1747934;1512654792;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the sops wet dreams, at least.
1747935;1512654802;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so far the dreams been comin' troo
1747936;1512654814;BingoBoingo;But the door hardware, likely 99% more reliable with a can of white lithium grease
1747937;1512654839;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what do they use for lubrication, yak fat ?
1747938;1512654844;mircea_popescu;not as far as i've observed. then again, everyone's free to follow fanfics.
1747939;1512654861;BingoBoingo;I don't know yet that they lubricate
1747940;1512654879;asciilifeform;!#s terms of surrender
1747941;1512654879;a111;2 results for "terms of surrender", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=terms%20of%20surrender
1747942;1512654890;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741162 << subj
1747943;1512654890;a111;Logged on 2017-11-20 11:15 mircea_popescu: lism was long ago disarmed by a democratic process increasingly dominated by powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers. And the courts, from which the victims of burdensome regulation sought protection, have been negotiating the terms of surrender since the 1930s."
1747944;1512654929;BingoBoingo;But every toilet bowl so far has been expanding due to humidity exposure on it's bottom (water facing side)
1747945;1512654949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, btw, didja see the piece where trump is shutting down whatever "natural monument" in utah ?
1747946;1512654959;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not yet. what was this
1747947;1512654972;asciilifeform;can haz link ?
1747948;1512654989;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not shutting down, right-sizing
1747949;1512655002;mircea_popescu;on the whole topic of cowboys' rights and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693654
1747950;1512655002;a111;Logged on 2017-08-04 02:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, whgen i was trying to get ben_vulpes to collect a bus'worth of local sluts and go throw an unauthorized party around those people the usg was trying to drive off their land ?
1747951;1512655014;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oh right, it was a fatshaming thing too
1747952;1512655031;BingoBoingo;i.e. Grand Escalara national monument reduced to the the grand escalara and a bit of surroundings instead of a tract of mostly nothing
1747953;1512655041;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-monuments/trump-outlines-big-cuts-to-utah-monuments-environmentalists-sue-idUSKBN1DY167
1747954;1512655042;asciilifeform;the cowboys from linked thread were iirc in oregon
1747955;1512655053;mircea_popescu;the ~equivalent move to pantsuit "We will take down mount rushmore"
1747956;1512655066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't recognize usg-painted map.
1747957;1512655080;mircea_popescu;it's all one big west.
1747958;1512655136;asciilifeform;i can picture
1747959;1512655155;mircea_popescu;"While a handful of monuments have been resized in the past, none has been cut back to such an extent, putting the president’s proclamation in uncharted legal territory."
1747960;1512655161;mircea_popescu;pantsuit continues to understand how the law works.
1747961;1512655164;asciilifeform;on top of this i dun recognize the distinction between the two bureaucracies the ownership of said lands is being moved between
1747962;1512655167;asciilifeform;they are part of same usg.
1747963;1512655171;diana_coman;ugh; now I have a situation in which mod6's v simply drops on the floor my patch, while asciilifeform's v sees it correctly in the flow BUT when pressing it barfs saying that a readme file that the patch deletes does not exist as a result of previous patch WHILE pressing previous patch actually creates that file;
1747964;1512655229;mircea_popescu;if this woman started responsibly a day early with all this and she's STILL gonna miss her today deadline ima hang someone
1747965;1512655235;mircea_popescu;and it won't likely be her.
1747966;1512655264;asciilifeform;diana_coman: tar it up plox, and post, looks very much like you have a mistake on your end. mod6 was able to press last night.
1747967;1512655277;asciilifeform;or is subject diana_coman's new patch.
1747968;1512655278;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I CAN PRESS your patches
1747969;1512655283;diana_coman;this is new patch on top , yes
1747970;1512655292;asciilifeform;ok breathe, count 10, post tar.
1747971;1512655302;asciilifeform;i'ma go to tea and look.
1747972;1512655574;diana_coman;asciilifeform, http://dianacoman.com/available_resources/testpatch.tar.gz
1747973;1512655661;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you should prolly have version numbers on these by now. testpatch-16
1747974;1512655724;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, tbh I lost count; more like delete and create whole thing again, on the verge of making bash scripts for each project anyway
1747975;1512655755;mircea_popescu;the hardest thing when reforming bad workflow is to... actually reform anything.
1747976;1512655765;mircea_popescu;cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing.
1747977;1512656096;diana_coman;will try without that readme file change anyway as that's more of an artefact of having run make clean (which deleted it too)
1747978;1512656104;diana_coman;not in any way a point of the patch
1747979;1512656222;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you made small mistake :
1747980;1512656230;asciilifeform;you stripped the dir 'mpi' when you made your diff
1747981;1512656289;asciilifeform;diff/patch is not insensitive to directory structure, or it could not handle dirs at all. in original we have 'a/mpi/bin/README', in yours there is instead 'a/bin/README'.
1747982;1512656341;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ugh, I see
1747983;1512656350;*;diana_coman goes to try again
1747984;1512656363;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ./vdiff.sh a b
1747985;1512656369;diana_coman;asciilifeform, that is what I did
1747986;1512656374;asciilifeform;what was in a, b ?
1747987;1512656392;diana_coman;but apparently I should have done it on a containing mpi containing the code
1747988;1512656393;asciilifeform;if there isn't 'mpi' in each -- your patch is off
1747989;1512656394;asciilifeform;right.
1747990;1512656399;diana_coman;while I did it on a containing code, wtf
1747991;1512656403;asciilifeform;you can only diff items with same structure.
1747992;1512656411;diana_coman;yes,they HAVE same structure
1747993;1512656414;diana_coman;a and b
1747994;1512656419;diana_coman;just one level lower
1747995;1512656429;asciilifeform;same everywhere.  think about it.
1747996;1512656432;diana_coman;myeah
1747997;1512656445;diana_coman;I do get it, thanks; will try again and report
1747998;1512656529;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747976 << interestingly gprclean ( part of gprbuild system , illustrated in ffa ch1 ) actually-worx (unlike, pointedly, gnumake's)
1747999;1512656529;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 14:09 mircea_popescu: cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing.
1748000;1512656546;asciilifeform;probably spiffiest build system i've ever used, and it ships with gnat.
1748001;1512656593;asciilifeform;also diana_coman : you left binturdola in your diff dirs
1748002;1512656603;asciilifeform;Binary files a/tests/test_mpi and b/tests/test_mpi differ
1748003;1512656603;asciilifeform;Binary files a/tests/test_mpi.o and b/tests/test_mpi.o differ
1748004;1512656606;asciilifeform;^ appear in your patch
1748005;1512656613;diana_coman;will look
1748006;1512656624;asciilifeform;this is a major 'nope', all extant vtrons i expect will choke on this alone.
1748007;1512656630;asciilifeform;diffed dirs gotta be binolade-free.
1748008;1512656634;*;asciilifeform brb
1748009;1512656946;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1748010;1512656948;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 498085 | Current Difficulty: 1.590896927258E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 499967 | Next Difficulty In: 1882 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1748011;1512657223;diana_coman;right; cleaned it again fully; put back in the readme file; made the structure a/mpi and b/mpi; can finally say that patch presses fine with both vtrons
1748012;1512657239;diana_coman;thank you asciilifeform for your help
1748013;1512658544;mircea_popescu;i guess we restate.
1748014;1512658546;mircea_popescu;and in other pointless bullshit : https://goodmenproject.com/ ie "the conversation no one is having [any of]" happening inexplicably on the IAB website template. i'm guessing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 also does their checkout, legal &c, coincidentally.
1748015;1512658546;a111;Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
1748016;1512658572;asciilifeform;in this case i can't even tell what the spamola-angle is supposed to be
1748017;1512658576;asciilifeform;read like generic linkfarm.
1748018;1512658594;mircea_popescu;the idea is that if pantsuit makes a paper dolly of "men" that'll do something irl.
1748019;1512658610;mircea_popescu;obviously, something other than insta-bitchslap for opening mouth.
1748020;1512658777;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in gox world, 'TOKYO (AP) — A bitcoin mining company in Slovenia has been hacked for the possible theft of tens of millions of dollars, just days before the virtual currency, which hit a record above $15,000 on Thursday, is due to start trading on major U.S. exchanges. ... address referred to by NiceHash users indicates that about 4,700 bitcoins had been stolen'
1748021;1512658794;asciilifeform;^ with the oblig 'millionzofdollarz'
1748022;1512658806;mircea_popescu;lol "just days" before what ?
1748023;1512658807;mircea_popescu;idiots.
1748024;1512658821;asciilifeform;days before clitler was due to fart ? i have nfi what
1748025;1512658910;mircea_popescu;is fatso's retirement consist of community service in the shape of poorly worded communique's led in by TOKYO (AP) ? because this idiocy smacks very much of same source as item discussed in say http://trilema.com/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/
1748026;1512658932;mircea_popescu;(note the TOKYO - JAPAN - April 04, 2013 bit)
1748027;1512658955;*;asciilifeform noticed the 'TOKYO'
1748028;1512659893;asciilifeform;[Global Notice] Sorry for the disruption to services there folk. "Normality" should return shortly. << lol!
1748029;1512659953;mircea_popescu;heh.
1748030;1512659964;diana_coman;the normal normality as opposed to abnormal normality or what
1748031;1512660015;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-25#1251919 << see also
1748032;1512660015;a111;Logged on 2015-08-25 18:09 asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of the famous sovderpitude re: phone tap installation
1748033;1512660506;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1748034;1512660516;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15600.0, vol: 23604.90390894 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15322.0, vol: 118683.91581332 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15700.0, vol: 6983.39982265 | Volume-weighted last average: 15383.6450164
1748035;1512660949;mircea_popescu;heh. remember years ago when bitcoin made 1k and it made me a dollar-billionaire in the process ?
1748036;1512660988;mircea_popescu;worked better for me than "surprise : wealth" worked for ers.
1748037;1512661074;BingoBoingo;Well, less surprise for you
1748038;1512661111;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu dun even use money for anyffing, he simply telekinesiates objects into existence...
1748039;1512661123;BingoBoingo;Your surprise was just timing, esr's surprise was the wealth
1748040;1512661140;mircea_popescu;wow, that's a hell of a byline.
1748041;1512661171;mircea_popescu;"there's a difference between the sort of people that are surprised by what happens and the sort of people that are surprised by when it does."
1748042;1512661182;asciilifeform;!#s kinetics disposes
1748043;1512661183;a111;4 results for "kinetics disposes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kinetics%20disposes
1748044;1512661192;mircea_popescu;aha!
1748045;1512661336;*;asciilifeform wonders occasionally re the ultimate pressure limit of the reactor. e.g. a sha256 collision is not cheap, but not infinitely expensive either.
1748046;1512661568;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744076
1748047;1512661568;a111;Logged on 2017-11-29 07:17 mircea_popescu: i just hope 100k doesn't happen before new year's.
1748048;1512661834;*;asciilifeform still has no real notion of how, if at all, gox tickers relate to real life
1748049;1512662176;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever measure the voltage of a dead watch battery ?
1748050;1512662176;mircea_popescu;consider it this way : the lazy dumb fat women banded together to produce a joint report as to what they think things should be like. they call it "jezbel" or w/e. it keeps changing.
1748051;1512662203;mircea_popescu;the lazy stupid poor "people themselves" banded together to produce a joint report as to how worthless they think everything about them is, in bitcoin terms.
1748052;1512662214;mircea_popescu;they call it "bitcoin price", except it's obviously the dollar price.
1748053;1512662236;mircea_popescu;that's all it is : how little the poor think their shit's worth.
1748054;1512662428;asciilifeform;exchange-rate-as-scalar is as serious a misconception as battery-voltage-as-scalar .
1748055;1512662458;mircea_popescu;"exchange rate" dun enter into this. think of it as a petition on change.org signed by everyone in the herd.
1748056;1512662474;asciilifeform;i.e. a work of dope-addled fiction ?
1748057;1512662481;asciilifeform;why to even bother having the ticker, then
1748058;1512662486;mircea_popescu;"i think 2 bitcents should buy more than just my daughter. like 50x more."
1748059;1512662489;asciilifeform;we dun have a change.org ticker here..
1748060;1512662499;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, an item of self-description.
1748061;1512662511;mircea_popescu;"i am not worth a whole bitcoin".
1748062;1512662589;mircea_popescu;that's all it is. voluntary self-denial on the part of the worthless.
1748063;1512662614;asciilifeform;except 'worth of 1 bitcoin' is a defective item conceptually, like 'position of electron'
1748064;1512662654;mircea_popescu;why ? some girls had the sense to peg it, some girls are still waiting. it's the perfect nonperson humiliator, this. "if i hold out my tits will be worth more" "ahahahaha, really ?"
1748065;1512662673;asciilifeform;it's a propagating error, like div0, to include it in a logical chain is fatal, regardless of how correct the rest
1748066;1512662690;asciilifeform;whether it works as a humiliator, or spiked club, or tension wrench, is orthogonal question
1748067;1512662690;mircea_popescu;the funny thing being that it's EXACTLY how everthing else works. you didn't http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ at 15 yo because "school" ? lol. YOU LOST.
1748068;1512662706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun think i follow. come again ?
1748069;1512662749;asciilifeform;it can work as a humiliator, just as electron can carry out useful work; but just as we do not reference electron's exact position , it is mistake to reference 'worth of bitcoin'
1748070;1512662772;mircea_popescu;about 5 passes of this "it has nothing to do with bitcoin" and it still didn't take or what are we doing here ?
1748071;1512662794;mircea_popescu;IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BITCOIN. the "bitcoin price" is a statement of the worthless herd as to its own perceived worthlessness. bitcoin dun enter into it.
1748072;1512662873;asciilifeform;i'ma ask a different q : what is the ordering function for these statements ? do 4 zeroes worth of 'we are worthless' actually represent a lower bow than 3 ?
1748073;1512662891;mircea_popescu;when some schmuck writes on his employment application "salary sought - $50", this is not a statement on the value of the dollar.
1748074;1512662897;mircea_popescu;it is a statement on the value of the schmuck.
1748075;1512662900;mircea_popescu;same exact principle.
1748076;1512662919;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, as far as the stater is concerned, yes.
1748077;1512662952;mircea_popescu;note that your puppy thinking bringing you a dead weasel is 10x more useful than bringing you your newspaper ; even if your own estimation might diverge.
1748078;1512662960;asciilifeform;lol
1748079;1512662970;mircea_popescu;as far as the puppy is concerned -- deeper bow.
1748080;1512662990;mircea_popescu;as far as wot is concerned, exactly like you say, div0, what the fuck do we care. we knew they're worthless going in.
1748081;1512663042;asciilifeform;but how much truth is there in the statement ? picture if mircea_popescu were to drink a defective batch of rum, and goes with 10k btc to a gox. do you for a moment think that they will come up with 1.5e8 usd that day, to give for it ?
1748082;1512663055;mircea_popescu;there can never be any truth in a statement made by the wotless.
1748083;1512663059;asciilifeform;aha!
1748084;1512663072;mircea_popescu;we're discussing the bleating of sheep here, what fucking truth.
1748085;1512663074;mircea_popescu;it's all feeling.
1748086;1512663118;mircea_popescu;that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc.
1748087;1512663124;asciilifeform;i suppose expert veterinarian might be able to distinguish 'bleats because indigestion' from 'bleats because inside is half-eaten-up by worms'. but asciilifeform cannot.
1748088;1512663126;mircea_popescu;i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5
1748089;1512663144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik bleat-scrying is not part of veterinarian training.
1748090;1512663165;asciilifeform;spongiencephalopathy perhaps changed this...
1748091;1512663172;*;asciilifeform does not know.
1748092;1512663303;asciilifeform;phunphakt, Officially Verboten to leave usaschwitz with more than 10k usd 'gangster roll'. so today to carry 1btc's worth of green candywrapper requires arse capsule or similar.
1748093;1512663314;mircea_popescu;see ?
1748094;1512663394;asciilifeform;at some point 'nonlinear' effect begins : consider the difficulty of liquidating a coupla kg of au ( for nonspecialist. ) or for that matter, pu.
1748095;1512663409;mircea_popescu;you keep thinking in these fiat-anchored terms, as fucking if that's how it worked.
1748096;1512663418;mircea_popescu;you can never liquidate it, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT WHAT FOR.
1748097;1512663424;mircea_popescu;you can get everything you want for some pennies.
1748098;1512663444;asciilifeform;for so long as you only want items worth pennies, neh
1748099;1512663454;mircea_popescu;bitcoin penny.
1748100;1512663457;asciilifeform;right
1748101;1512663470;mircea_popescu;"that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc.
1748102;1512663476;mircea_popescu;you can't get TWO because there... aren't... two.
1748103;1512663496;mircea_popescu;all you can get is the whole world, and it costs ever less btc, seeing how the "rate" has to also account for everyone's dreams.
1748104;1512663524;mircea_popescu;which is what the bleaters are importing into bitcoin : their own WoWoW outlook. soon bitcoin "marketcap" will exceed all extant assets. because it has to. because they;'re idiots.
1748105;1512663533;asciilifeform;well not whole world, but $coin/22e6 's cut.
1748106;1512664068;diana_coman;is there some documented process re how to create with V basically a new project that will contain as *internal* components derivations of existing projects? for example: eucrypt will have inside an mpi component; as seen earlier, I can patch mpi directly, but then how do I include the result in a higher structure? can I even do it while preserving the links? (I guess it would mean that resulting project has effectively 2 roots: one the ge
1748107;1512664068;diana_coman;nesis of eucrypt itself and one the genesis of mpi)
1748108;1512664095;asciilifeform;diana_coman: let's carefully specify the question: what means 'internal'
1748109;1512664107;asciilifeform;and 'inside'
1748110;1512664139;asciilifeform;you are using gcc for a linker, neh. it takes arbitrary paths ( observe how i did it in ffa ch.1, it was deliberately illustrative )
1748111;1512664196;mircea_popescu;so how do i patch mpi to become eucrypt/mpi ?
1748112;1512664237;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I can compile it certainly wherever it is; but can I press with V eucrypt with eucrypt/mpi and eucrypt/serpent let's say?
1748113;1512664238;asciilifeform;that part isn't puzzling, it's a straight patch on top of second_cut
1748114;1512664276;diana_coman;hm, I thought I need a/mpi b/mpi ; can I have ..what, a/mpi and b/eucrypt/mpi?
1748115;1512664285;asciilifeform;diana_coman: in the contemplated example, are eucrypt/mpi and eucrypt/serpent plug-in alternatives for each other ?
1748116;1512664297;diana_coman;no, separate parts that eucrypt uses
1748117;1512664341;asciilifeform;there are fundamentally 2 ways to go about using a vtronic item as a component in another. one is to subsume it into your own
1748118;1512664357;asciilifeform;so in that case it is a linear parent ( grandparent etc ) of your item.
1748119;1512664429;asciilifeform;the other is to preserve the two lineages as separate, but to link your item against e.g. mpi.a , and to insert the latter's hash into your vtree, to proclaim the linkage -- as i did with the binariola schematic jpegs in FG genesis.
1748120;1512664447;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu expressed a strong preference for the ~former~ approach, at one point
1748121;1512664480;asciilifeform;asciilifeform prefers the latter. but this is a fundamental sort of decision, i'd ask mircea_popescu , it's his proggy
1748122;1512664496;asciilifeform;it is exceedingly difficult to revise this kind of thing at a later time.
1748123;1512664552;asciilifeform;i'll add only that imho it matters just how strongly-coupled your outer proggy is with the library
1748124;1512664574;asciilifeform;if loosely -- continuation of parallel v-lineages could make sense. if tightly -- marry'em.
1748125;1512664655;asciilifeform;ftr i have no intention of amending mpi myself . if at some time i discover a new kochism therein, i will vdiff against diana_coman's mpi-containing entity
1748126;1512664758;asciilifeform;( what was asciilifeform going to do with mpi ? there was plan, for 1 further cut, of the logger and the allocator. but i put it in cold storage when began work on ffa . )
1748127;1512664856;diana_coman;asciilifeform, can you work me through the steps to "subsume it into your own"? I don't yet see clearly what that is
1748128;1512664922;asciilifeform;it means that you simply lift the code from the press.
1748129;1512664965;asciilifeform;when drawn in phf's viewer, this will appear as a graph with two genesisen. which mircea_popescu seems to have allergy for, for some reason. but there is nothing outrageous mechanically about it.
1748130;1512664999;asciilifeform;the important aspect is to avoid the mistake asciilifeform made early on in vtronic era, with 'tinyscheme' proggy
1748131;1512665027;asciilifeform;where the linkage was ~not~ mechanically clear, because it appeared merely as a set of external symbols inside trb, rather than a proper lift of the files
1748132;1512665102;asciilifeform;draw how you want the graph to look. and only then make the diffs. not vice-versa.
1748133;1512665236;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform preference or no preference it'll have to be reground
1748134;1512665238;asciilifeform;i'ma make a small cartoon example, brb
1748135;1512665248;mircea_popescu;because having projects incorrectly structured in directories is suicidal.
1748136;1512665322;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you'd make a new genesis, for eucrypt, and patch it with mpi. this patch will share no .sigs with the other mpi it is text-identical to
1748137;1512665329;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what two genesises ?
1748138;1512665355;trinque;with the giant netsplit earlier, I'm skeptical it's the host.
1748139;1512665369;asciilifeform;naturally if yer simply gonna unzip and piss over the vtronic aspect where nobody has to hand-diff 300kB of liquishit -- then yes you dun have 2 genesis.
1748140;1512665373;diana_coman;at some point it seemed it was only me and scriba in chan, lol
1748141;1512665377;trinque;thing's been on that host for months now
1748142;1512665383;asciilifeform;you have instead 300kb of liquishit that seemingly appeared out of thin air.
1748143;1512665385;mircea_popescu;trinque do i unban it ?
1748144;1512665397;asciilifeform;and that you are now responsible for as if you had written it.
1748145;1512665416;trinque;mircea_popescu: I'll peek at logs real quick, then let ya know. it hasn't reconnected since the netsplit
1748146;1512665422;mircea_popescu;kk.
1748147;1512665474;mircea_popescu;it's not altogether clear with me if this discussion unearthed a fundamental bug in v design whereby we have no good way to import projects.
1748148;1512665494;mircea_popescu;why the fuck exactly can't i move project/a to master/project/a through a patch ?
1748149;1512665496;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, diana_coman if every single patch you release is a genesis ( i.e. previously existing items are lifted with paste ) then you may as well simply publish signed tarballs, you are not actually using v
1748150;1512665519;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can: diff ~the patch~
1748151;1512665536;asciilifeform;you end up with easily readable patch consisting of changed dirs.
1748152;1512665545;mircea_popescu;so then why can't she simply move the mpi/ dir into eucrypt/mpi/ and proceed ?
1748153;1512665569;asciilifeform;she can. i simply just nao thought of it, lol.
1748154;1512665581;asciilifeform;was gonna instead have long painful argument re structures that goes nowhere!111
1748155;1512665583;mircea_popescu;doh.
1748156;1512665584;asciilifeform;but nao dunhaveto.
1748157;1512665614;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ^ that solve it ?
1748158;1512665640;diana_coman;well yes, that was my initial proposal and question "is it possible?" ; if yes, then all nice and cool
1748159;1512665664;mircea_popescu;it'd better be fucking possible because the alternative is madness.
1748160;1512665683;mircea_popescu;as one man said to another once, "if the design impedes you, this will be no problem, as we'll fucking make a new design"
1748161;1512665698;*;diana_coman will attempt it with some time to spare
1748162;1512665747;asciilifeform;i'd volunteer to make this surgery but doesn't mg have programming folx on retainer..
1748163;1512665760;asciilifeform;make'em do it.
1748164;1512665768;asciilifeform;pretty straightforward op.
1748165;1512665815;asciilifeform;for that matter, order'em to make the 'make' clean properly. also straightforward op. what kind of people cannot set up a make.
1748166;1512665919;asciilifeform;programmers see kindness as weakness, diana_coman . borrow a spiked bat from mircea_popescu , it will work wonders.
1748167;1512666117;asciilifeform;meanwhile in heathendom : http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/07/1 >> '...Debian switch from gpg1 to gpg2...  After getting gpg and agent running, I noticed, that not reliably stopping the gpg-agent on initrd would introduce a private key data leak via /proc from early boot process to running system when stopping fails...' and,
1748168;1512666119;asciilifeform;'...we found out, that the specification of the "--s2k-count" parameter, which specifies the number of rounds of key deriviation function to unlock the private key, has changed from gpgv1 to gpgv2, so that it is ignored in gpg2 but does not cause any warning or error.'
1748169;1512666123;asciilifeform;and various other lulz.
1748170;1512666325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eventually we are gonna need a sane replacement for unix diff/patch. one that not only has e.g. selectable hashtronics but knows what movement and deletion of files is
1748171;1512666350;asciilifeform;( unix diff pointedly does not, interprets it as vanishment-into and reappearance-from thin air )
1748172;1512666375;asciilifeform;asciilifeform complained repeatedly about this from aug 2015 and onward.
1748173;1512666477;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. the stub is in log, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792
1748174;1512666477;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 22:51 mircea_popescu: once we have keccak.
1748175;1512666513;asciilifeform;right
1748176;1512666539;asciilifeform;there was at least 1 other thread about braindamage of classical diff
1748177;1512666600;trinque;hm, nope, this one's on me.
1748178;1512666611;trinque;backup script piled on and exhausted db connections.
1748179;1512666616;trinque;mircea_popescu: I've fixed this, can unban
1748180;1512666628;mircea_popescu;a kk
1748181;1512666639;mircea_popescu;now to figure out how this is done
1748182;1512666664;mircea_popescu;trinque lessee ?
1748183;1512666760;diana_coman;asciilifeform, sigs for your genesis + second cut patches are included at http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/
1748184;1512666770;diana_coman;feel free to host them too, obv
1748185;1512666809;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595796 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596582 << a few old threads ,  for folx thinking about diff  )
1748186;1512666809;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 21:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem yeah. will however have to be bit, wtf else to do.
1748187;1512666809;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll suggest a 'p-tronic' format for diffs. N\........ specifies N retained-of-a octets (e.g., 5\abcde )
1748188;1512666830;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ty ! i'ma link to yours.
1748189;1512666960;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
1748190;1512666969;mircea_popescu;diana_coman could the patches be actually inline and not merely reference ?
1748191;1512667037;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 diana_coman updated
1748192;1512667083;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, they could, there's no question there; but they are text as it is, not sure what the big gain is (and it would end up in a very long thing)
1748193;1512667093;diana_coman;more like forcing one to see them I guess
1748194;1512667352;asciilifeform;i do regret having used name 'sane-mpi', there is very little sane about it except strictly in contrast with the original material
1748195;1512667374;asciilifeform;every single numerical operation, including addition, time-leaks.
1748196;1512667646;mircea_popescu;diana_coman well, for readability.
1748197;1512667838;diana_coman;asciilifeform, aha; well, sane-by-comparison to the clusterfuck that is whole GnuPG (I DID go through THAT too initially)
1748198;1512667880;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i don't mean re this, necessarily. mpi as an import is one thing
1748199;1512667884;mircea_popescu;but in general.
1748200;1512667940;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ah, in general it will be, yes; this is quite particular as it is a rather big block of not-totally-sane code that is imported basically
1748201;1512667968;diana_coman;in general the discussion will also stick much closer to the code
1748202;1512668241;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.bitfinex.com/stats << shitfinex. notice anything missing ?
1748203;1512668317;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1748204;1512668324;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14892.98, vol: 26297.00100513 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14594.03517343, vol: 131294.16683905 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14883.2, vol: 7539.76790032 | Volume-weighted last average: 14654.8450274
1748205;1512668372;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/4WFbp << for posterity.
1748206;1512668393;asciilifeform;^ loox like they've quit selling btc...
1748207;1512668398;asciilifeform;( or exhausted supply )
1748208;1512668449;asciilifeform;other goxes ( e.g. shitstamp ) having... technical difficulties
1748209;1512668477;asciilifeform;( e.g. the latter currently displaying a suspiciously round '15000.00' )
1748210;1512668656;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/D6quD << blockchain.info . eggog.
1748211;1512668702;asciilifeform;and nao shitfinex brings back btc/usd pair, at same '15000.00'
1748212;1512668745;asciilifeform;appears on every odd load..
1748213;1512668761;asciilifeform;this is hilarious, you can watch their hand-fudging in real time
1748214;1512668770;asciilifeform;aaaaand it's gone.
1748215;1512669946;ben_vulpes;https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-of-tampa-serial-killing-suspect-refuse-to-answer-questions/ << refusing to answer questions is contempt of court!
1748216;1512669999;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: hey, недонесение is a crime in this here reich
1748217;1512670050;ben_vulpes;everything is a crime
1748218;1512670093;asciilifeform;'"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat
1748219;1512670104;asciilifeform;didjaknow, courts are for 'broader questions'
1748220;1512670132;asciilifeform;'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail.
1748221;1512670135;BingoBoingo; that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. << very doable for BingoBoingo in el estados unidos
1748222;1512670161;BingoBoingo; phunphakt, Officially Verboten to leave usaschwitz with more than 10k usd 'gangster roll'. so today to carry 1btc's worth of green candywrapper requires arse capsule or similar. << Nah, declare it and your affinity for gambling
1748223;1512670167;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: didja do this via localbitcoins hand2hand?
1748224;1512670183;BingoBoingo; "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc. << And there's the pain of the experiment
1748225;1512670186;asciilifeform;( which, exactly , 'confidentiality privilege' remain ? iirc spouse-privilege was Officially cancelled, unhappened. ditto doctor, and attourney )
1748226;1512670208;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs.
1748227;1512670281;asciilifeform;if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side
1748228;1512670418;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Done via a reliable route
1748229;1512670437;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs. << This is why picasos are a thing
1748230;1512670455;BingoBoingo; if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side << if you leave at all, documented
1748231;1512670466;asciilifeform;meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...'
1748232;1512670478;asciilifeform;malicious microdeposits!! (tm)(r) didjaknow.
1748233;1512670505;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i can't speak for others, but picasso dun fit in my arse
1748234;1512670553;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nobody counted my sub-10k when i left.
1748235;1512670571;BingoBoingo;Not in arse, in suitcase. You declare the art as art worth ? and package it to match ?
1748236;1512670581;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No one counted my sub 10k either
1748237;1512670599;asciilifeform;the art thing would be considerably more interesting if picasso were actually a bearer instrument
1748238;1512670603;asciilifeform;it so happens that it is not.
1748239;1512670634;BingoBoingo;Picaso is negotiable bearer instrument
1748240;1512670642;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-22#1249066 << thread )
1748241;1512670642;a111;Logged on 2015-08-22 22:03 mircea_popescu: well the entire contention was the strange notion that peasant who "finds" vermeer and "has always had it in family" should get to keep it.
1748242;1512670696;asciilifeform;if i had to decide whether to find a picasso, or to be side swiped by a garbage truck, it would not be easy choice
1748243;1512670710;asciilifeform;the prognosis is, as i understand, similar.
1748244;1512670752;BingoBoingo;Well, you negotiate ahead of time whatever token is your picasso
1748245;1512670761;*;BingoBoingo bakes latest walk up
1748246;1512670784;asciilifeform;at any rate, removal of picassos / particle accelerators / similar from a failing inca empire is a specialist's work
1748247;1512670795;asciilifeform;not a standard mode of moving moneys
1748248;1512670870;ben_vulpes;!!up ate
1748249;1512670870;asciilifeform;!!up ate
1748250;1512670870;deedbot;ate voiced for 30 minutes.
1748251;1512670871;deedbot;ate voiced for 30 minutes.
1748252;1512670884;asciilifeform;ate what ?
1748253;1512670888;ben_vulpes;*another* three char nick?
1748254;1512670920;ate;shit sorry, logged in incorrectly
1748255;1512671673;asciilifeform;ate:  esthlos (~user@75-147-20-126-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #trilema <<< >>> ate (~user@173-166-14-190-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #trilema   << you ?
1748256;1512671799;ate;asciilifeform Please excuse this noob, but I've been reading through your website over the past week or two. Creating a sane computing environment has been an interest of mine for a while, and most of my effots have been following the work of Alan Kay. Eventually, as I believe you have, I learned about the beautiful Lisp Machines, and am very interested in working to create modern versions.
1748257;1512671809;ate;asciilifeform: yes
1748258;1512671825;ate;asciilifeform: salt mine worker on lunch break
1748259;1512671849;asciilifeform;ate: read, enjoy.
1748260;1512671878;asciilifeform;ate: i recommend to read the logs also. http://btcbase.org/log and see subj line of this chan.
1748261;1512671920;asciilifeform;ate: consider registering a pgp key with deedbot
1748262;1512671924;asciilifeform;!!help
1748263;1512671924;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1748264;1512672017;ate;asciilifeform: Thanks
1748265;1512672265;ate;!!wot
1748266;1512672278;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4LGYK/?raw=true
1748267;1512674448;phf;!!key diana_coman
1748268;1512674449;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/E72DCCB73A5E06694C5CD781D5196EE6390F999E.asc
1748269;1512674666;phf;diana_coman: your mpi_second_cut.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig links to http://dianacoman.com/vpatches/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
1748270;1512675486;diana_coman;phf, fixed, thank you!
1748271;1512675556;BingoBoingo;Buenas tardes todos gente http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/07/the-midwestern-rube-visits-la-rambla/
1748272;1512675809;phf;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000031-768x576.jpg if not for palms could be any of moscow's "sleeping" neighborhoods
1748273;1512675876;BingoBoingo;That is nearly as central as central gets, the border of Buceo y Pocitos
1748274;1512675921;BingoBoingo;Now there's a neighborhood called Centro that has yet to interest me, but it will likely be crossed on the way to the old city.
1748275;1512676158;asciilifeform;phf: or in the sad part of timis.
1748276;1512676445;asciilifeform;plebewarehouses look ~same everywhere, apparently.
1748277;1512678282;*;BingoBoingo unsure any part of Montevideo is too sad, other than the listing boat
1748278;1512678467;phf;diana_coman: fyi http://btcbase.org/patches/sane_mpi_eucrypt
1748279;1512679070;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1748280;1512679097;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15300.0, vol: 26432.63469383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15414.0, vol: 141984.24093821 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15475.1, vol: 7657.96024159 | Volume-weighted last average: 15399.5435391
1748281;1512679110;BingoBoingo;!~ticker
1748282;1512679111;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15419.0, Best ask: 15420.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 15425.0, 24 hour volume: 141980.38473187, 24 hour low: 12851.0, 24 hour high: 15820.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1748283;1512679147;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: when i say 'sad', i suppose oughta elaborate, 'sad' ~= 'dun look like habsburgs would live here'
1748284;1512679158;asciilifeform;timis has at least 1 sadsector, in that sense.
1748285;1512679164;asciilifeform;~100% of usa is sad.
1748286;1512679198;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Apparently you haven't seen the castles the Busch family built with their soda swill revenues
1748287;1512679223;asciilifeform;i dun much go in for cardboard castles, BingoBoingo
1748288;1512679236;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well poured concrete usually
1748289;1512679329;hanbot;la plata's northern side looks to be in better (but not by much) shape than arg's
1748290;1512679346;diana_coman;phf, thanks!
1748291;1512679551;BingoBoingo;hanbot: I hear they clean less in the off season. Today while exploring spotted many crews engaged in cleaning.
1748292;1512679597;BingoBoingo;New construction, yes, cleaning yes, routine maintenance... not seen yet.
1748293;1512679764;hanbot;I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;)
1748294;1512679838;BingoBoingo;Ah, last nights venezualans mentioned they were very surprised by the number of cautions versus their experience
1748295;1512679872;BingoBoingo;The venezualans are, like myself, economic refugees
1748296;1512680002;BingoBoingo;How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
1748297;1512680087;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile http://en.mercopress.com/2017/12/01/cristina-fernandez-appeal-rejected-money-laundering-and-criminal-conspiracy-case-goes-forward
1748298;1512680139;mircea_popescu;"case". yes, political judgemens not deterred by complaint by victim.
1748299;1512680176;BingoBoingo;Apparently she's a Senator now.
1748300;1512680208;mircea_popescu;iirc as a result of being president ever.
1748301;1512680270;mircea_popescu;anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on.
1748302;1512680286;BingoBoingo;As far as I can tell so far Uruguay lacks politics as understood by a middle western rube. Instead it has operations discusions concerning things like cleaning la playas.
1748303;1512680292;mircea_popescu;confusing argentina for a country is not unlike confusing puppy for a baby -- ie something only uninformed fat old women could do.
1748304;1512680329;BingoBoingo;Ah, I am pretty sure my 7 roommates at the hostel are argentine. I have talked to none of them yet because they are either sleeping or absent.
1748305;1512680332;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oddly enough latinos don't really believe in "how about you doin't dirty las playas in the first place".
1748306;1512680377;BingoBoingo;I really have to work on my camera speed, a trash donkey was spotted twice.
1748307;1512680395;BingoBoingo;North of Montevideo Shopping and then traveling past the cowork
1748308;1512680417;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748215 << lmao trhey finally dfid away with the 5th ?
1748309;1512680417;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 18:05 ben_vulpes: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-of-tampa-serial-killing-suspect-refuse-to-answer-questions/ << refusing to answer questions is contempt of court!
1748310;1512680458;mircea_popescu;"oh, we are currently fibbing about you have immunity, therefore your constitutional protection is null and void, cuz that's how constitutions work now, therefore... oh what do you mean we'll change our mind later ? OF COURSE! you don't understand how the world works ?!"
1748311;1512680492;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748218 << because you suck. next question.
1748312;1512680492;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 18:08 asciilifeform: '"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat
1748313;1512680529;mircea_popescu;cat would rather burn down the house than live in washing machine ; and normal human being would rather crack the earth into a trillio nshards than live in the "united states" pantsuit has imagined. what's so hard about this ?
1748314;1512680560;ben_vulpes;"incriminating self", lolfcorse
1748315;1512680567;mircea_popescu;what defies reason is how anyone can NOT go on a rampage shooting random people, bombing government buildings and setting toddlers afire in old tyres over there.
1748316;1512680587;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << 5 years old.
1748317;1512680668;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748220 << makes exactly 0 difference. typical pantsuit move, pick irrelevant detail, try and make it stick.
1748318;1512680668;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 18:08 asciilifeform: 'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail.
1748319;1512680753;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748231 << don't tell me, usg-run "exchange" periodically "victim of own success", as usg imagines this to go.
1748320;1512680753;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 18:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...'
1748321;1512680829;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748242 << eh get out, when did you see garbage truck go faster than maybe 10 km/h
1748322;1512680829;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 18:18 asciilifeform: if i had to decide whether to find a picasso, or to be side swiped by a garbage truck, it would not be easy choice
1748323;1512681064;BingoBoingo;Eh, they go on the interstate back in home country en route to landfill
1748324;1512681076;mircea_popescu;he walks the highways of his native land ?
1748325;1512681247;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748296 << never truer words were spoken.
1748326;1512681247;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 20:53 BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
1748327;1512681276;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, not since I sobered up
1748328;1512681291;mircea_popescu;:p
1748329;1512681376;BingoBoingo;Anyways, right now I am being the friendliest gringo TMSR could retain as an ambassor. Leaning heavily on dumb gringo stereotype while calibrating listen and write heads to the local Castellano and screening potential contacts
1748330;1512681573;mircea_popescu;cool.
1748331;1512681761;BingoBoingo;I figure I have to use the advantage while it lasts.
1748332;1512681779;BingoBoingo;brb, sober time... en Castellano!
1748333;1512684745;ben_vulpes;kirchner facing treason charges: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/argentine-ex-president-cristina-fernandez-charged-with-treason/2017/12/07/e3e326e0-db80-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_story.html
1748334;1512684893;ben_vulpes;pantsuits are on the case: ...[the judge] is under investigation over allegations of money laundering and illicit enrichment, with some critics suggesting that he may be targeting Fernandez's (sic?) as a smokescreen"
1748335;1512684925;mircea_popescu;and in further "i can't believe that shit still exists" lulz, coupled with "here comes the self-eating shit sandwich", http://perezhilton.com/2017-12-07-melanie-martinez-rape-accusation-fan-merch
1748336;1512685062;mircea_popescu;oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics."
1748337;1512686937;asciilifeform;'dying inside casually' << wat
1748338;1512686949;*;asciilifeform does not know how to parse $item
1748339;1512686976;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748321 << i take it they dun have hills where mircea_popescu lives
1748340;1512686976;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 21:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748242 << eh get out, when did you see garbage truck go faster than maybe 10 km/h
1748341;1512687030;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748333 << loox like she'll have to take another contract on another prosecutor eh
1748342;1512687030;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 22:12 ben_vulpes: kirchner facing treason charges: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/argentine-ex-president-cristina-fernandez-charged-with-treason/2017/12/07/e3e326e0-db80-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_story.html
1748343;1512687119;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748335 << waitasec isn't she a she ? 'rapist' ?
1748344;1512687119;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 22:15 mircea_popescu: and in further "i can't believe that shit still exists" lulz, coupled with "here comes the self-eating shit sandwich", http://perezhilton.com/2017-12-07-melanie-martinez-rape-accusation-fan-merch
1748345;1512687149;asciilifeform;she dun look like a toiletplunger wielder, either
1748346;1512687232;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748319 << i dunno what exactly a gox with an empty btc tank looks like, but i suspect it looks not unlike today's shitfinex
1748347;1512687232;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 21:05 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748231 << don't tell me, usg-run "exchange" periodically "victim of own success", as usg imagines this to go.
1748348;1512687273;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748310 << would be interesting to learn whether linked item is first case of its kind, or 9000th
1748349;1512687273;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 21:00 mircea_popescu: "oh, we are currently fibbing about you have immunity, therefore your constitutional protection is null and void, cuz that's how constitutions work now, therefore... oh what do you mean we'll change our mind later ? OF COURSE! you don't understand how the world works ?!"
1748350;1512687298;asciilifeform;the only other one i can immediately think of is flynn. but that's recent.
1748351;1512687332;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, hipster chicks these days
1748352;1512687409;mircea_popescu;she thought the conversation was going to be about her or something.
1748353;1512687419;asciilifeform;yea but 'dying inside', wat
1748354;1512687460;asciilifeform;wai such 'emo'.
1748355;1512687497;mircea_popescu;nfi.
1748356;1512687502;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748301 << until hearing of this owngoal, asciilifeform had not the faintest notion that argentines ~had~ a sub
1748357;1512687502;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 20:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on.
1748358;1512687511;mircea_popescu;some old diesel shit.
1748359;1512687514;asciilifeform;and i'ma guess was su surplus
1748360;1512687517;mircea_popescu;they used it to spy on fishing boats.
1748361;1512687521;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1748362;1512687528;asciilifeform;seems a bit overkill neh
1748363;1512687552;mircea_popescu;the only way to correctly represent argentina, joint or several, is by thinking of the dumbest whore you can possibly imagine.
1748364;1512687568;mircea_popescu;they didn't get it for a purpose. they got it because they think owning subs is how you further the pretense of countryhood.
1748365;1512687573;mircea_popescu;argentina is === sealand.
1748366;1512687586;asciilifeform;hey usa is scaled-up version of same item
1748367;1512687589;mircea_popescu;like every dumbass getting a mortgage "because everyone is".
1748368;1512687601;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but usa is dumb kid of rich parents.
1748369;1512687606;mircea_popescu;argentina... oy vey.
1748370;1512687619;asciilifeform;ar is dumb grandkid of modestly loaded grandparent eh
1748371;1512687619;mircea_popescu;i don't think i ever met an argentine who had any money. at all. ever.
1748372;1512687626;mircea_popescu;yes but what's that do.
1748373;1512687662;asciilifeform;dunno, i saw 'sofas' there that hadn't 'gone to the oven' yet
1748374;1512687669;asciilifeform;e.g. they could sell passports to usa inmates
1748375;1512687673;asciilifeform;or flats. or.
1748376;1512687735;mircea_popescu;i dunno how to break this to you, but "money" is here defined as > 1 gangster rolls.
1748377;1512687751;mircea_popescu;im sure they have epsilon. guess what, so does my staffordshire terrier.
1748378;1512687754;asciilifeform;'the title to something worthless can always be monetized by making it even more worthless' or how did it go.
1748379;1512687792;asciilifeform;like zhirinovsky's idea of how latvia should make buxxorz -- store fission wastes.
1748380;1512687874;asciilifeform;btw i keep resisting but now gotta ask, how big exactly is a 'gangstaroll' ? when i went to ro i was able to pack a coupla kilobux , is all that will comfortably fold in normal human wallet
1748381;1512687975;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748296 << i initially misread as 'had to break friendly gringo's face'
1748382;1512687975;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 20:53 BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
1748383;1512688022;asciilifeform;and was thinking 'whose face did BingoBoingo have to break for what scooterdork...'
1748384;1512688078;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform real gangsters use clips.
1748385;1512688079;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748293 << in ro, zookeeper admonished asciilifeform's pet for letting her passport be seen in the daylight, with 'helpful' pantomime of purse-snatcher dancing away with it
1748386;1512688079;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 20:49 hanbot: I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;)
1748387;1512688097;mircea_popescu;wallets are for pussies.
1748388;1512688147;mircea_popescu;a man sized clip will hold a whole brick (ie, 100 bills, 50k eur or 10k usd or 5mn colones or w/e), unfolded.
1748389;1512688158;asciilifeform;sounds conspicuous-at-airport tho.
1748390;1512688198;mircea_popescu;hey. they did want to count mine when i landed. i... didn't cooperate (but i did let them watch while i did, so there was that)
1748391;1512688220;mircea_popescu;but anyway, part of gangster notion is that conspicuous is other people's problem.
1748392;1512688240;asciilifeform;i almost expected mircea_popescu to say 'what airport, i have own diplomatic pouch system'
1748393;1512688287;asciilifeform;'why would i carry money, i just put it in glove box in the tank'
1748394;1512688411;mircea_popescu;flying tank ?
1748395;1512688640;asciilifeform;flies on the antonov, naturally.
1748396;1512688713;mircea_popescu;anyway, the us is pretty ridiculous. upscale dinner for two can readily run you a grand or two, yet none of the walkers have that much on them.
1748397;1512688728;asciilifeform;eating what, baby panda ?
1748398;1512688752;mircea_popescu;what happens if you run into http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/ "hey babe wait right here i gotta spend an hour queuing at the bank" ?
1748399;1512688760;asciilifeform;or does the figure include plane ticket to a place with actual food
1748400;1512688783;mircea_popescu;most starred restaurants are a few hundy to maybe a grand a plate.
1748401;1512688811;mircea_popescu;i get it, you don't powerlunch there every day. but if you run into a gal that takes your breath away... wouldn't it be the proper time ?
1748402;1512688822;asciilifeform;few hundy i saw. grand -- not yet, these are probably the ones where you gotta know somebody, knock on the unmarked door five times etc
1748403;1512688846;mircea_popescu;im not even sure how they run it stateside anymoar, for lack of much caring.
1748404;1512688865;asciilifeform;hey i dun have any ideological problem with 'kilobuck restaurant', i spend similar sum on e.g. hdds regularly
1748405;1512688883;asciilifeform;i just have nfi what drug would have to take to want to pay kilobux for americana
1748406;1512688893;mircea_popescu;that's not the problem ; the problem (esp in the "western" world ) is that it'll still be sysco.
1748407;1512688899;asciilifeform;right!
1748408;1512688900;mircea_popescu;hence my lack of caring.
1748409;1512688982;asciilifeform;kilobuxxor per biped buys a weekend trip to ro, ftr, and several doses of RealPhood
1748410;1512689040;asciilifeform;( granted not on the 1stclass deck with comfy sofa bed. but -- buys. )
1748411;1512689092;mircea_popescu;someone should actually make a strippers-and-roman-banquet airline.
1748412;1512689101;asciilifeform;i'll subscribe.
1748413;1512689116;mircea_popescu;.7 attendants per passenger, "no means yes, of course" as company policy, and they feed you grapes manually.
1748414;1512689123;asciilifeform;lol
1748415;1512689124;mircea_popescu;sell the tickets for 10k or w/e, it'll be more than the strippers make anyway.
1748416;1512689139;asciilifeform;i think they already have a 10k. but without stripper.
1748417;1512689148;mircea_popescu;bout 10% of the 3bn male population would save to go just to be able to say "Went"
1748418;1512689156;asciilifeform;lol, like mecca
1748419;1512689159;mircea_popescu;quite.
1748420;1512689172;asciilifeform;did 'concord' have strippers ?
1748421;1512689192;mircea_popescu;talk about "efficient market hypothesis". this is A LOT more in demand than pink ipad covers, for instance. "oh but mp, pink ipad covers aren't illegal!" o ya ? ALSO more in demand than cocaine.
1748422;1512689208;mircea_popescu;nobody does a line for any other reason than to THINK they're there. so make it a reality, more margin that way.
1748423;1512689217;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform concord passage never cost 10k either.
1748424;1512689221;asciilifeform;how in-demand ~is~ cocaine anyway
1748425;1512689229;mircea_popescu;bout a trillion a year's worth or so.
1748426;1512689235;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc last set of tickets was 20k ea. or sumthinglikethat
1748427;1512689246;mircea_popescu;well, "last set". i'm not talking collector cunt here.
1748428;1512689264;mircea_popescu;"nrfb" is not a positive for women.
1748429;1512689277;asciilifeform;nrfb?
1748430;1512689283;mircea_popescu;!~google nrfb
1748431;1512689284;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Dexter's Laboratory NRFB - YouTube: ; What does MIB ~ NIB ~ NRFB ~ NOS~MIBS mean? | eBay: ; What does NRFB mean? - NRFB Definition - Meaning of NRFB ...: 
1748432;1512689293;mircea_popescu;a-ha! dexter's lab! win!
1748433;1512689297;asciilifeform;aaa
1748434;1512689982;asciilifeform;http://www.lamentiraestaahifuera.com/2014/06/26/los-desmayos-de-heidemarie-stefanyshyn-piper << in other lulz-found-via-trilema
1748435;1512689997;asciilifeform;'Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper es capitán de la Armada norteamericana, ingeniero, y por dos veces parte de la tripulación de misiones del Shuttle. Pero Heidemarie no es famosa por poseer este impresionante currículo. Lo es por haber perdido una bolsa de herramientas en la misión STS-126 y por haberse desmayado dos veces en la rueda de prensa que dio la tripulación del STS-115 (su primera misión) nada más aterrizar.'
1748436;1512690050;mircea_popescu;at first i thought made up name
1748437;1512690070;asciilifeform;i also thought!
1748438;1512690146;asciilifeform;gotta wonder, did she marry an equally sad ru engineer or wat
1748439;1512690156;asciilifeform;whence the hyphenated monstrosity
1748440;1512690345;mircea_popescu;i don't expect the hyphenating kind would put the husband first.
1748441;1512690354;mircea_popescu;she married some idiotic lawyer turned lobbyist by the name piper
1748442;1512690356;asciilifeform;goodpoint
1748443;1512690530;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1748444;1512690537;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16409.02, vol: 25474.86335949 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16474.0, vol: 141098.84766335 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15899.8, vol: 7775.86941449 | Volume-weighted last average: 16438.8966128
1748445;1512690628;asciilifeform;lol the goxes forgot to agree on a magicnumber
1748446;1512691391;mircea_popescu;seems within 1% neh ?
1748447;1512691423;asciilifeform;not since i saw http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748279
1748448;1512691423;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 20:37 BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
1748449;1512691435;asciilifeform;err, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748280
1748450;1512691435;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 20:38 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15300.0, vol: 26432.63469383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15414.0, vol: 141984.24093821 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15475.1, vol: 7657.96024159 | Volume-weighted last average: 15399.5435391
1748451;1512691502;asciilifeform;or the goxes, ah. 16409.02 vs 15899.8 is not 'in 1%'
1748452;1512691564;mircea_popescu;15300 vs 15414 ?
1748453;1512691593;asciilifeform;it yes
1748454;1512693659;BingoBoingo; oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics." << win
1748455;1512693698;mircea_popescu;im vaguely wondering what a 2000 born iowan even makes of a boat pic.
1748456;1512693733;mircea_popescu;all these kids born after the world went to shit. "vhs america" indeed.
1748457;1512693805;asciilifeform;not as if typical 1990s usainmate ever went on boat.
1748458;1512693822;asciilifeform;or 80s, or prior.
1748459;1512693837;mircea_popescu;back before 2001/1990s/bush/etc happened, the remnants of "male culture" were actually headed towards a boaty paradise, i suspect.
1748460;1512693843;BingoBoingo; btw i keep resisting but now gotta ask, how big exactly is a 'gangstaroll' ? when i went to ro i was able to pack a coupla kilobux , is all that will comfortably fold in normal human wallet << I packed $20 bills for convenience
1748461;1512693843;mircea_popescu;but then they got deskilled a little and well...
1748462;1512693863;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not so smart ; outside of us nobody ever uses anything other than 100s
1748463;1512693874;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform real gangsters use clips. << rubber bands, hence roll
1748464;1512693880;asciilifeform;i distinctly recalled mircea_popescu wrote this, and went through some bother to obtain Troo Benjies
1748465;1512693896;mircea_popescu;argentina had a 5-10% fine for having not-100s.
1748466;1512693911;mircea_popescu;uruguay maybe not. but still, the general idea is... 20s are for inzeks. 100s are for outzeks.
1748467;1512693939;asciilifeform;ro moneychangers waltzed'em through 3 kinds of magical voodoo box, in disbelief, before disgorging orcbux
1748468;1512693944;BingoBoingo; sounds conspicuous-at-airport tho. << for flight were flay stacked in obvious blue vinyl banker's bag
1748469;1512693961;trinque;asciilifeform: what? I spent big chunks of youth idle time with my dad trying to kill me behind a boat.
1748470;1512693973;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1748471;1512693973;asciilifeform;trinque: yer not a typical inmate tho, neh
1748472;1512693980;mircea_popescu;he's a typical texan.
1748473;1512693989;mircea_popescu;not everyone is from the littoral shitholes.
1748474;1512694006;trinque;I guess yeah, texan thing. dad would get drunk all day, try to murder the kids on a tether behind boat.
1748475;1512694013;asciilifeform;from this 1 sentence, for instance, we learn that trinque had a father. my current understanding is that typical usa children do not, they grow up bastards
1748476;1512694024;mircea_popescu;not in texas.
1748477;1512694027;asciilifeform;interesting.
1748478;1512694053;mircea_popescu;in the southwest men will actually pick up (the otherwise very submissive) women with children and parent them anyway.
1748479;1512694101;mircea_popescu;in fact there's a lot of ethnographic and social difference across the "nation" which isn't. that the pantsuit don't know about it... well... they don't know about anything else, either, do they.
1748480;1512694172;mircea_popescu;but for the sake of historical record, the very traditional central european "you may not say no to a man ; and ESPECIALLY not sexually" lands, ie from south carolina south and west as far as maybe eastern arizona, provide slut protection, in that "and if you end up alone with three kids before you're 30 i won't hold that against you".
1748481;1512694259;mircea_popescu;the "feminist misery" as overrepresented in pantsuit media is mostly the result of urban californite reinterpretation of 1800s era boston puritanism. "if you're enjoyable you lose at life". makes for the obese, neurotic, deeplyh unhappy "queers" and whatnots.
1748482;1512694293;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the east coast moved to a very mechanicistic "if you can't engineer you're a failed bioexperiment", which makes for a slightly differenty flavour of very unhappy, somewhat overweight neuroticoball.
1748483;1512694312;asciilifeform;lolwat
1748484;1512694316;asciilifeform;where are all of these engineers.
1748485;1512694332;trinque;asciilifeform: none, but they're miserable they aren't
1748486;1512694335;mircea_popescu;hey, europe spent five centuries going "o noes, sin" and where are all the saints.
1748487;1512694337;asciilifeform;and what in usa was engineered, since, idk, reagan's reign
1748488;1512694360;mircea_popescu;the absence of engineers is not germane to this discussion. we're talking sociology here.
1748489;1512694445;mircea_popescu;to put it another way : women will fail at anything they set their mind to. of course they would. that's the point of life on earth, everyone does it, what can you say. ars will stay longa.
1748490;1512694457;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the manner in which they recount this failure to themselves varies by place and culture.
1748491;1512694461;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo not so smart ; outside of us nobody ever uses anything other than 100s << I have yet to see another confirmed gringo here, but the idea with 20's is more of them and single one is an amount suitable for what alf would call "human" transactions.
1748492;1512694474;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1748493;1512694487;mircea_popescu;course irl you just visit exchanger now and again.
1748494;1512694531;BingoBoingo;The big fear was after the argentard stories being surrounded by poor, stupid folk.
1748495;1512694545;mircea_popescu;how's that playing out ?
1748496;1512694590;BingoBoingo;Most except the destitute I have met so far at least put on airs of "middle class" or "aspiring elite"
1748497;1512694599;BingoBoingo;Much humility here so far.
1748498;1512694600;mircea_popescu;oya
1748499;1512694608;BingoBoingo;Stupidity yet to be determined
1748500;1512694704;BingoBoingo;Have yet to find any stories of unofficial exchange rate out of sync with official one, but given alquilar en pesos y comprar en dollares... seems probable there is one
1748501;1512694719;mircea_popescu;nah. more like historical issue than spot fx.
1748502;1512694733;BingoBoingo;Ah
1748503;1512694739;mircea_popescu;they don't like to save in the local currency of a tiny mismanaged we-produce-nothing "corporation"
1748504;1512694748;mircea_popescu;they prefer a larger one. apparently tbtf is a thing in human cognition.
1748505;1512694785;BingoBoingo;I have yet to meet an Uruguayan who introduced Trump to any conversation.
1748506;1512694849;BingoBoingo;I am at this point very unsure if the Uruguayans view politics as anything other than an operations discussion on how to extract value from stupid Argentine spending.
1748507;1512694878;BingoBoingo;"Come to Montevideo, It's like Buenos Aires but quieter and less shitty"
1748508;1512694887;mircea_popescu;this is entirely possible.
1748509;1512694893;mircea_popescu;they totally own the abortion market, at that.
1748510;1512694905;BingoBoingo;And the banking market
1748511;1512694911;asciilifeform;iirc there was a trilema re 'abortionferry'
1748512;1512694918;mircea_popescu;aha.
1748513;1512694925;asciilifeform;sails out with full uteri, back -- empties
1748514;1512694948;mircea_popescu;well... very close shaved ones anyway
1748515;1512694966;mircea_popescu;i dun think most people realise how close curetage is to a really bad shave that's 2 layers too close.
1748516;1512694976;asciilifeform;shaved, or perhaps vacuumed ( moar modern ) etc
1748517;1512695004;asciilifeform;iirc in early phase can skip the 'shave'
1748518;1512695005;BingoBoingo;Lol, there's so many ads on the street for hair removal
1748519;1512695033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform people dumb enough to get caught in a country which requires ferry trip for disposition rarely make anything like an early phase.
1748520;1512695046;*;asciilifeform can picture this.
1748521;1512695047;mircea_popescu;plus, for an argentine any expenditure over ~40 cents requires a bank loan.
1748522;1512695088;mircea_popescu;i was standing in a shop to buy a ream of socks and shit, and this dork before me, ENTIRELY in the european academic geddup, including the ugly colors, the jersey, the bag over shoulder etc paid for ONE PAIR worth ~3 bux with a credit card.
1748523;1512695101;*;BingoBoingo saw one payday lender at mall vs many bill pay offices
1748524;1512695108;mircea_popescu;i was like "aren't you ashamed of yourself" and he pretended like he doesn't know i'm talking to him. EXACTLY like clinton & friends.
1748525;1512695137;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly could be 'trying to be american', carries 0 moneys
1748526;1512695149;asciilifeform;over here people nao pay parking meters with cc.
1748527;1512695156;mircea_popescu;if you need someone to lend you money for socks as a 50yo male you really have no excuse to be here.
1748528;1512695176;BingoBoingo;Many of the larger shops offer discounts for card payments, apparently in retail that is a way to recover some VAT
1748529;1512695191;mircea_popescu;and ESPECIALLY don't try the womanly "wisdom" angle. a male that dumb has nothing to impart by the definition of terms.
1748530;1512695201;BingoBoingo;But always on debit cards
1748531;1512695215;asciilifeform;waiwat what wisdom
1748532;1512695234;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo over two bucks ? take 5 more minutes and have to sign shit ? what's the per-transaction risk cost to the card, ie, if your time were free and your pen were free, how much is the maximum card value capped at to make this purchase not a loss ?
1748533;1512695267;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The retailers offering this are not ones where one easily spends only 2 bucks
1748534;1512695274;mircea_popescu;back when i had (company) cards a decade ago, i used them to cover >1k bills at large wholesalers, not $300 at the restaurant. and EVEN SO it was iffy.
1748535;1512695316;BingoBoingo;It's mostly the higher end looking clothiers and restaurants in Montevideo shopping.
1748536;1512695333;mircea_popescu;because the per-usage cost of fraud upon a credit card is like 1.5-1.8% of its total net value. meaning if your account is worth over 100k lifetime, you can't afford to use a card to pay less than a coupla k's. and if your account is worth LESS than 100k lifetime there's no fucking reason you could possibly have to use a bank for anything.
1748537;1512695338;BingoBoingo;Further from Montevideo Shopping and the WTC, the discount signage disappears
1748538;1512695348;mircea_popescu;ask them for a cash discount, for lulz.
1748539;1512695353;mircea_popescu;i usually get 5-10-15% here.
1748540;1512695374;mircea_popescu;"y... me descuenta por efectivo ?", best magic words ever.
1748541;1512695389;BingoBoingo;So far change for a $20 bill is consistently being rounded in my favor to avoid burdening me with coins.
1748542;1512695397;asciilifeform;in usa, ( at least for plebes and on paper, actual practice is moar complicated ) vendors are saddled with the fraud cost.
1748543;1512695403;mircea_popescu;o, they have pretty cool coins in uruguay iirc.
1748544;1512695425;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's what you naively think ; but not in practice.
1748545;1512695429;BingoBoingo;The coins are cool, but... they cover 10 pesos on down so that's a lot of metal
1748546;1512695445;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: naturally in the end konsoomer is made to pay, it is rolled into prices.
1748547;1512695459;asciilifeform;however the cc-abstainers get to , here's the beauty, pay the same prices..
1748548;1512695472;mircea_popescu;nevermind the end consumer. look into business owners / middle class experiences, the net is fulla "oh, they have this bank acct they won't let me close that keeps getting dinged by fraudsters and they charge me"
1748549;1512695483;asciilifeform;these yes. hence 'vendors'
1748550;1512695489;mircea_popescu;us bank account is insanity on the face, i was discussing the (at the time still somewhat sane) eurolands.
1748551;1512695490;asciilifeform;they get raped.
1748552;1512695497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, no. as the BUYER.
1748553;1512695523;asciilifeform;right, if yer a corporate acct ( even a microscopic one ) you get the rapestick.
1748554;1512695552;mircea_popescu;well what the fuck, am i going to pay with taxed money ?
1748555;1512695560;asciilifeform;lol
1748556;1512695567;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this nonsense.
1748557;1512695741;asciilifeform;in other great-agains , https://archive.is/wbVbJ >> 'Google plans to increase to 10,000 the number of its staffers tasked with tracking down extremist content on YouTube. "We will continue the growth of our teams, with the goal of bringing the total number of people across Google working to address content that might violate our policies to over 10,000 in 2018," YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told Britain's Daily Telegraph in an intervie
1748558;1512695741;asciilifeform;w. Wojcicki said that "bad actors" had used the video-sharing site to "mislead, manipulate, harass or even harm" others.'
1748559;1512695755;mircea_popescu;hey. "generate employment"
1748560;1512695788;mircea_popescu;~all of the pantsuit only has one economic utility left, and that is to "police" the web for anything deviating from their worldview.
1748561;1512695803;mircea_popescu;as long as fed can keep printing, they'll keep going to "moderation college" for a "moderator career".
1748562;1512696368;BingoBoingo;Well, an empire can't die holding only a single mistake
1748563;1512698456;*;mod6 reads l0gz
1748564;1512699534;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747850 << no prob! will have the 'Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch Guide' (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html) updated by the end of the weekend.
1748565;1512699534;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 11:24 mircea_popescu: mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
1748566;1512699655;mod6;BingoBoingo: nice pictures. hope all is well.
1748567;1512701775;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << Thanks for posting.  I can confirm that diana_coman's vpatch presses fine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GVmx0/?raw=true
1748568;1512701775;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 17:16 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
1748569;1512703036;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << lol
1748570;1512703036;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 17:16 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
1748571;1512703044;mod6;oops ^
1748572;1512703078;mod6;was actually laughin at this: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748336
1748573;1512703078;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 22:17 mircea_popescu: oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics."
1748574;1512704609;mircea_popescu;mod6 cool deal.
1748575;1512705721;mircea_popescu;http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/erect-the-man-billboard/ << in case anyone was wondering who patreon/gofundme/the rest of silycon valley webscams were ripping off : dick masterson.
1748576;1512705734;mircea_popescu;no, it wasn't an original idea of theirs ; they can't have such a thing.
1748577;1512706744;cazalla;dick masterton cucked poor maddox
1748578;1512706826;cazalla;mircea_popescu, you see maddox trying to sue dick for 20m for saying mean things about him on the net?
1748579;1512706972;mircea_popescu;o hai
1748580;1512706977;mircea_popescu;no ?
1748581;1512706990;mircea_popescu;i thought they were partners or w/e.
1748582;1512707006;cazalla;they were, but maddox became an sjw
1748583;1512707013;mircea_popescu;ahaha when ?!
1748584;1512707093;cazalla;maybe a year or 2 ago now, maddox thought everyone was listening for him, but turned out they were tuning in to hear dick, so maddox went his own way expecting all the patreon bucks to come to him, but only a couple hundred while dick pulling in thousands lol
1748585;1512707127;mircea_popescu;maddox has this very annoying girl voice. nfi what he thought he was doing with vlogging or w/e
1748586;1512707158;mircea_popescu;well, actually, o have an idea : need a lot more material to fill text than video, so every lazy ass is trying to sell his ugly nose pimples in lieu.
1748587;1512707228;cazalla;https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=hMc6dSCWjp10863RGL0zWQ==&system=prod
1748588;1512707263;cazalla;poor ol' maddox even went to court telling them dick said bad things about him, his gf, stole his ex-gf and on it goes, funniest thing maddox has ever done to date imo
1748589;1512707265;mircea_popescu;bejaysus, poor fucks suing each other over pennies ?
1748590;1512707284;mircea_popescu;there should be a law that anyone filing suit for under 1mn gets caned instead, and then sold by open outcry.
1748591;1512707487;mod6;^
1748592;1512707494;mircea_popescu;"6. In 2014, Defendant Herrera was relatively unknown, had a small fan base, few resources, and therefore, being included in Plaintiff’s Podcast represented a huge opportunity for him." ahahaha what the fuck, is he off his rocker ?
1748593;1512707508;mircea_popescu;masterson was prolly larger than maddox mid 2000s.
1748594;1512707596;mircea_popescu;o sweet merciful jesus, "19. The harassment campaign(s) Defendant Herrera, and the other Defendants’, have created, and continue to create, against Plaintiffs’ are appalling, wanton, vindictive, ruthless, and patently repulsive. What’s even more nauseating is that Defendant Herrera, in conjunction with the other Defendants’, have created a thriving business based around their continued harassment campaigns, cyber mob
1748595;1512707596;mircea_popescu;attacks, and threats against Plaintiffs’."
1748596;1512707604;mircea_popescu;landau group, pc actually signed off on this idiocy ?
1748597;1512707613;cazalla;can't remember when i first dick on tv, but he's as old as maddox surely when it comes to the net
1748598;1512707622;cazalla;saw*
1748599;1512707641;mircea_popescu;this is pretty sad.
1748600;1512707692;*;mircea_popescu shan't be mentioning maddox again, wtf is this misery.
1748601;1512707826;cazalla;anyway, before the kids go for the power point and phone again.. i'm off.. nice pics BingoBoingo
1748602;1512708258;ben_vulpes;and in other nutterisms, i have the most broken boxes... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pJofF/?raw=true
1748603;1512708301;ben_vulpes;c compiler cannot create executables ffs
1748604;1512709137;mod6;lol
1748605;1512709148;mod6;gcc 6 tho?
1748606;1512709505;ben_vulpes;what how on earth did that get in there
1748607;1512709551;ben_vulpes;that box runs a 4.7, maybe use=bootstrap pulls in a gcc 6?
1748608;1512709988;asciilifeform;dafuq is that ansii colourcontrol code soup doing in yer shell, ben_vulpes
1748609;1512709999;asciilifeform;firstofall.
1748610;1512710063;asciilifeform;i can't evenread this, it makes my eyes water.
1748611;1512710123;asciilifeform;at any rate you gotta ban gcc>4.9 .
1748612;1512710149;asciilifeform;( put it in the package.mask, per asciilifeform's cookbook. )
1748613;1512710187;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/hey-remember-when-the-internet-didnt-suck/ << Trilema - Hey, remember when the Internet didn't suck ?
1748614;1512710225;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748600 << ftr i have nfi who either him or the other derp was, and dun think i missed anything by this not knowing.
1748615;1512710225;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 04:34 mircea_popescu shan't be mentioning maddox again, wtf is this misery.
1748616;1512710288;mircea_popescu;internet culture.
1748617;1512710347;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'threatening the structural integrity of the greater reddit community' ?!
1748618;1512710352;asciilifeform;gold medal.
1748619;1512710370;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: that's build.log
1748620;1512710456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dumb femspeak (nowadays aka "google employee") for "making it not look like what we want it to"
1748621;1512710545;asciilifeform;!#s gleichschaltung
1748622;1512710545;a111;1 result for "gleichschaltung", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gleichschaltung
1748623;1512710557;ben_vulpes;also the gcc on the box *is* running a 4.7, gcc-config -l does not list the mentioned six
1748624;1512710787;mod6;what does `which gcc` show?
1748625;1512710806;ben_vulpes;/usr/bin/gcc
1748626;1512710826;ben_vulpes;and gcc --version ... 4.7.3
1748627;1512710924;asciilifeform;looks like it came from gnat2017 tarball ?
1748628;1512710956;ben_vulpes;when run without the bootstrap use flag, gnat-gpl still unpacks a few gcc-6 gzips and bz2s
1748629;1512710969;ben_vulpes;ah shoot that's probably it
1748630;1512711033;asciilifeform;tbh the retardation of gcc5+ dun affect , in any known way, ada -- the rotters rotted c/cpp frontend strictly
1748631;1512711074;asciilifeform;and per the comments in ffa ch1, 2017 actually fixed inlining
1748632;1512711087;asciilifeform;so i refuse to fatwa gnat17.
1748633;1512711105;asciilifeform;but all of my works do and must build on 16 and prior.
1748634;1512711108;ben_vulpes;isn't it defacto fatwad if it won't work with 4.9?
1748635;1512711136;asciilifeform;it is odd that it barfs, oughta live side by side.
1748636;1512711147;asciilifeform;i'ma try it myself this weekend.
1748637;1512711164;*;asciilifeform not yet personally touched gnat17.
1748638;1512711269;asciilifeform;i test these days on 16-gnu and 16-adacore.
1748639;1512711346;asciilifeform;it is quite depressing that this is even a topic. but there is not, nor have ever been, language where linker etc are standardized along with all else.
1748640;1512711387;asciilifeform;best horse in glue factory.
1748641;1512711551;*;asciilifeform bbl
1748642;1512711802;ben_vulpes;somehow gcc:4.9.4 blocks gnat-gpl-2016
1748643;1512711816;ben_vulpes;what a mess
1748644;1512726061;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748567 <- thanks for checking it!
1748645;1512726061;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 02:56 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << Thanks for posting.  I can confirm that diana_coman's vpatch presses fine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GVmx0/?raw=true
1748646;1512736934;BingoBoingo;mod6: tyvm, so far things are well. Still screening companions for trip to the abogado and collecting potential abogado contacts
1748647;1512737036;BingoBoingo; anyway, before the kids go for the power point and phone again.. i'm off.. nice pics BingoBoingo << Glad to see you return
1748648;1512737580;BingoBoingo;!~ticker -market all
1748649;1512737581;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
1748650;1512737590;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1748651;1512737597;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14814.0, vol: 30626.85827944 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14890.0, vol: 163472.13845571 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14902.0, vol: 6608.24936289 | Volume-weighted last average: 14878.797902
1748652;1512737707;mircea_popescu;CRASHING o noes
1748653;1512737868;mircea_popescu;aand in other lulz : the median age of kiev city is 35 yo for males and 40yo for females.
1748654;1512737886;mircea_popescu;this notwithstanding, men still prefer women 5 years younger.
1748655;1512737888;BingoBoingo;In other news, ethereum is now not metaphorically, but literally a tire fire https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/12/07/1951257/cryptocurrency-miners-are-using-old-tires-to-power-their-rigs
1748656;1512737926;mircea_popescu;lol
1748657;1512737933;mircea_popescu;the shit pantsuits wanna read about...
1748658;1512737944;mircea_popescu;it's like anime otakus but without the sex.
1748659;1512737973;BingoBoingo;What isn't sexual about it. Big black openings burning with desire...
1748660;1512738004;mircea_popescu;this may be erotic, but it isn't sexual. sexual is you know, with sex organs. not with substitutes.
1748661;1512738195;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.092419 1949t6yHTStJJYesvt8a1S86Dd8dvBzsRo
1748662;1512738201;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/93quL/?raw=true
1748663;1512738317;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in penetration news, http://78.media.tumblr.com/27c879c04479609641d8896b0bfe703b/tumblr_nk3i4ldMsX1u9el6po1_400.gif
1748664;1512738493;BingoBoingo;Well, they are meeting the openings where they are
1748665;1512738596;BingoBoingo;In other withdrawls, valve/steam are quitting Bitcoin over their inability to bring value: "“At this point, it has become untenable to support Bitcoin as a payment option,” Valve concluded. “We may re-evaluate whether Bitcoin makes sense for us and for the Steam community at a later date.”"
1748666;1512740360;asciilifeform;meanwhile, on the hannoboeck planet, https://neopg.io << usg tool marcus brinkmann proclaims 'clean rewrite of gpg' , with fanfare, spamola ( e.g. http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/1 ) , 'modernisms', the full shebang.
1748667;1512740497;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pretty big push in the usg."tech" community to not support bitcoin. fiver dropped it, of all people. and in general, i dun imagine you'll see usgtron support it nativel.
1748668;1512740501;asciilifeform;( moar lulz , for the expert entomologist, here, http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/5 , where d00d expounds re 'weak and strong random', studiously pretends that overflowlang bignum matters, etc. )
1748669;1512740613;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking of derpfunders, https://archive.is/grrrK << 'Patreon lets creators hide the amount of money they are actually making, although the number of patrons is still public. Boruta’s numbers are based on the roughly 80 percent of creators who publicly share what they earn. Of those creators, only 1,393 — 2 percent — make the equivalent of federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, or $1,160 a month, in October 2017'
1748670;1512740632;asciilifeform;( gotta luvv the 'creators' newspeak )
1748671;1512740640;mircea_popescu;2% ie, THE RICHEST.
1748672;1512740645;asciilifeform;aaha.
1748673;1512740652;mircea_popescu;98% make the federal minimum wage in zambia.
1748674;1512740671;asciilifeform;i'ma guess that ~0 live outside reich
1748675;1512740682;asciilifeform;( i dun think usg coin-operated scamola works outside reich )
1748676;1512740789;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. the word on this whole "usg as understood by pantsuit is powered by "technology" as understood by pantsuit" shebang being http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/#footnote_2_65745 ; leading to the whole http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/ debacle.
1748677;1512740837;mircea_popescu;in which context, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748557 is not at all coincidental. google isn't worth anything in any proper sense ; but it has a brand, which is now being "monetized" in the classic IAB sense of the term (spamola for the rest of the world).
1748678;1512740837;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 01:15 asciilifeform: in other great-agains , https://archive.is/wbVbJ >> 'Google plans to increase to 10,000 the number of its staffers tasked with tracking down extremist content on YouTube. "We will continue the growth of our teams, with the goal of bringing the total number of people across Google working to address content that might violate our policies to over 10,000 in 2018," YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told Britain's Daily Telegraph in an intervie
1748679;1512740896;mircea_popescu;ie, the fundamental problem of the worthlessness of ugc is being plumbed by usg at the wrong end : by abusing the power of the state to create imaginary value (a "creator" on etsy/patreon/etc might just be ye olde myspace band worth 0.00 ; but a "moderator" on reddit/youtube/etc is DOING GODS WORK and therefore how do you dare say priest time is worth 0 terrorist!!!)
1748680;1512740944;mircea_popescu;there's a large contingent of useless neets who can be "hired" (job creation! yay!) and who for the past decade had it hammered into them at the thanksgiving table that "why don't you work for google! that's where the smart kids and all the money is! check out their playroom!!!1"
1748681;1512740959;mircea_popescu;so now they DO work for google, in the only sense that matters to the ustard : "being able to say so".
1748682;1512740994;mircea_popescu;"a maximum of impact with a minimum of effort" as far as the usg is concerned : trades in a worthless dead elephant for the continued attention of 10k useless schmucks it for some reason decided to put on the rolls.
1748683;1512741064;mircea_popescu;watching the conclave of imbeciles "resolve" their "problems" as they understand and formulate them is the highest form of entertainment available under the sun.
1748684;1512741384;BingoBoingo; "a maximum of impact with a minimum of effort" as far as the usg is concerned : trades in a worthless dead elephant for the continued attention of 10k useless schmucks it for some reason decided to put on the rolls. << From what I understand when Google hires the 10's of thousands in batches they do so through "Manpower" and other contract work agencies for nominally 12-15 usd/hr (usually less than $fedminwage
1748685;1512741384;BingoBoingo;effectively due to shittiness of moderation system). That is unless the news is Google is taking the contractors on as direct hires
1748686;1512741434;mircea_popescu;i expect they want to turn as many of their cogs as possible with it. so yes, hired through manpower, mandatory-complimentary "id protection" from equifucks and so on.
1748687;1512741871;BingoBoingo;AHA, but yeah. Historically google had done this quietly. Then sometime earlier this year a pansuit rag did "expose" on practice which simply removed google's shame about the whole thing.
1748688;1512742059;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dunno if you knew , but actual-work-doing ( yes there is some prolly even today ) arms of usg, hire exactly like-so : through contract peonage agencies
1748689;1512742088;asciilifeform;everybody from 95% or so of r&d, to mop men, to guards, same thing
1748690;1512742105;asciilifeform;long ago asciilifeform worked on just such a contract, for many years.
1748691;1512742126;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aha, back home near airforce base the sort was met all the time. USG.mil desk veteran hired and rented to usg.
1748692;1512742129;asciilifeform;if u.s. army can do it -- why not google et al.
1748693;1512742196;asciilifeform;theoretically crippled veterans etc got preferential dibs on the 'green' ( the card thing that opens doors and logs into winblowz, is differentially coloured for different types of slave ) jobs. (dod contractor 'purple')
1748694;1512742216;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : archive.is uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted.
1748695;1512742238;asciilifeform;lol!! gotta wonder wtf the thing is doing with sslolade, crapflare, etc
1748696;1512742243;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1748697;1512742250;asciilifeform;what's the even nominal justification. it's a public toilet.
1748698;1512742282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the verification fails "for unknown reasons" tho, and it's at least nominally a comodo issued item
1748699;1512742309;*;mircea_popescu still lulz at how these "certificates" srtill include md5.
1748700;1512742392;mircea_popescu;$item, if anyone gives the slightest shit : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9YaRs/?raw=true
1748701;1512742830;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-and-improved-republican-glossaurus/ << updated, for great justice. comments welcome.
1748702;1512743841;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, if 'null crypt' ( make noises, exhaust gasses, but dun actually do any crypto ) remains a valid mode in 100% of usgcryptocrapolade -- why not also md5.
1748703;1512743868;asciilifeform;cryptoplacebo.
1748704;1512743887;asciilifeform;!#s null cipher
1748705;1512743888;a111;10 results for "null cipher", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=null%20cipher
1748706;1512744218;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1748707;1512744337;mircea_popescu;in other shit you'll never believe, ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica because "prefers milder climates". "20 is too hot for her"!
1748708;1512744350;asciilifeform;aaactually i can picture.
1748709;1512744355;mircea_popescu;apparently there was a glaciation in europe while i was not paying attention.
1748710;1512744357;BingoBoingo;lol, Montevideo too hot as well?
1748711;1512744358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform really ? how ?
1748712;1512744358;asciilifeform;asciilifeform for instance likes cold.
1748713;1512744375;mircea_popescu;so you don't consider the standard human temperature mild thereby ?
1748714;1512744426;asciilifeform;what means 'standard human temp' ? 36.6 ? if mircea_popescu walked into a room at 36.6 he would say 'sauna', betcha
1748715;1512744430;asciilifeform;so can't be that. then which.
1748716;1512744442;mircea_popescu;no. the technological standard for "temperature in a human habitat" is 20.5
1748717;1512744448;asciilifeform;'stp' ?
1748718;1512744453;mircea_popescu;yes.
1748719;1512744462;mircea_popescu;just like the technological standard for "water spout in human habitat" is > 1galon/day
1748720;1512744471;asciilifeform;stp Officially is 0C, lel
1748721;1512744479;mircea_popescu;and so following. human life is not this novel and fascinating item. war planners have been circumscribing it for a century+.
1748722;1512744482;*;BingoBoingo working on adjusting to temperatures in human units
1748723;1512744499;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought you meant "at standard pressure" ie as opposed to who knows what arcana you had in mind.
1748724;1512744506;asciilifeform;room temp is very muchly a subject of taste, neh
1748725;1512744510;mircea_popescu;!~google 20.5 celsius to farenheit.
1748726;1512744511;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 20.5 C in Fahrenheit - CoolConversion .com: ; 20.5 degrees C to Fahrenheit - Celsius to Fahrenheit: ; 20.5 celsius to fahrenheit: 
1748727;1512744517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not more than average human height is.
1748728;1512744538;mircea_popescu;that you prefer x or y has no bearing on how human femur has been the same length since before the notion of preference was invented.
1748729;1512744554;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck google you're useless already.
1748730;1512744559;asciilifeform;for all we know the 2 are not unrelated, and the pygmies shrunk from lack of wholesome, medicinal frosts.
1748731;1512744597;mircea_popescu;meanwhile there's a reason the population of eskimo lands was a) never large and b) always selected for suckitude.
1748732;1512744606;mircea_popescu;what's this, chucka worship now ?
1748733;1512744651;asciilifeform;dunno, is mircea_popescu's 'chix ~must~ be 2m tall' swede-worship ?
1748734;1512744654;BingoBoingo; !~google 20.5 celsius to farenheit. << ~68-69
1748735;1512744709;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: subjectively folx tend to 'feel' climate not as the avg. temps, but the extremes, i suspect
1748736;1512744734;BingoBoingo; meanwhile there's a reason the population of eskimo lands was a) never large and b) always selected for suckitude. << Lack of healthful medicinal sweat. Essentially homosapiens are a sort of cabbage, need a bit of frost but also time not froze.
1748737;1512744752;mircea_popescu;well tell you what, ukraine does 40 degrees.
1748738;1512744759;mircea_popescu;costa rica never yet managed such a wonder.
1748739;1512744796;mircea_popescu;the fucking definition of mild is "interval of five degrees centered on human ideal". as opposed to "SIXTY degrees intervals centered on fuck your mother, we hate you."
1748740;1512744817;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform had a relative recently go to the ruins of the old world, and came back with photos of korean air conditioners installed on ~every wall. no such item existed even in early post-sov 1990s, and not strictly from the cost.
1748741;1512744884;asciilifeform;tho i suspect not 'warmer air currents', but americanization, 'eww, sweating' etc
1748742;1512744890;mircea_popescu;i've yet to see an ac unit here.
1748743;1512744900;mircea_popescu;well, cars have them,. but then again cars go to teh beach.
1748744;1512744920;asciilifeform;yer ac is the lift that goes up to the mountain neh.
1748745;1512744928;asciilifeform;to castle mircea_popescustein.
1748746;1512745009;mircea_popescu;whole sj valley is blessed with altitude-mediated mildness.
1748747;1512745025;asciilifeform;neato.
1748748;1512745131;BingoBoingo; well tell you what, ukraine does 40 degrees. << Perils of being far from an ocean
1748749;1512745224;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1748750;1512745235;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15640.0, vol: 30990.52019675 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15536.0, vol: 162872.74068345 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15580.0, vol: 6336.08776268 | Volume-weighted last average: 15553.4915752
1748751;1512745273;BingoBoingo;Ah, the new normal. I move to South America and suddenly neither the current USD price not its all time low vs Bitcoin are certain
1748752;1512745287;asciilifeform;for some reason the beautiful equatorial mild valley bananistans, never grew anything in the way of interesting ~people~
1748753;1512745372;asciilifeform;the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
1748754;1512745375;BingoBoingo;Well, lack of persistent stresses
1748755;1512745426;BingoBoingo;Sure some acute stresses like hurricaines and volcanos, but nothing like the certainty of winter coming and you get ready or starve
1748756;1512745484;asciilifeform;shit-climate where agriculture is completely impossible -- chukchaizes, sure.
1748757;1512745533;asciilifeform;but to return upstack to thread -- i can easily picture folx who dun want to move to where there are no seasons.
1748758;1512745544;asciilifeform;and dun see it as unreasonable.
1748759;1512745558;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu you never liked seasons ?
1748760;1512745569;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't dispute that part. sure, necessity is the mother of invention, a proper beating whenever needed the cornerstone of domestic bliss, and so following.
1748761;1512745590;mircea_popescu;but this doesn't make beatings tenderness nor the howling winds of the frozen praries mildness.
1748762;1512745631;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i like seasons ok, but the thing with this particular spot is that it's ~perpetual spring.
1748763;1512745644;mircea_popescu;which is pretty much the only way one can ever be prevailed upon to trade seasons in.
1748764;1512745648;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu often writes about the degenerately slothful italians. why do you suppose they are so ? could be the 3 harvests they get ?
1748765;1512745730;*;asciilifeform has never lived in a perpetual spring. but pictures, possibly naively, that if he were to, would have to take occasional break and go on trip to the arctic, say. just for contrast.
1748766;1512745779;asciilifeform;otherwise -- habituation, addiction, 'luxury ratchet' as in the old mircea_popescu article re chix with caviar
1748767;1512745863;mircea_popescu;sure.
1748768;1512745871;mircea_popescu;i'm not proposing to forbid winter or anything.
1748769;1512745990;asciilifeform;speaking strictly in re 'why would ukr not dream of moving to tropical gardenofeden'
1748770;1512746001;mircea_popescu;moving wasn't on the table.
1748771;1512746020;asciilifeform;then nfi.
1748772;1512746100;asciilifeform;i read 'ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica' as 'import pet', possibly.
1748773;1512746209;mircea_popescu;nah. you know how most people do "one night stands" whereby they meet some chick in the evening and are out of her dorm by noon next day ?
1748774;1512746227;mircea_popescu;my implementation involves jet flight and goes for a week at a time, but otherwise...
1748775;1512746245;mircea_popescu;call it an extended photo shoot, why not.
1748776;1512746278;asciilifeform;right, but 'do the squirrels know' ? ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579087 )
1748777;1512746278;a111;Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: 'what do you think is happening'
1748778;1512746304;mircea_popescu;how would i go about knowing what squirrels know ? i am not a squirrel myself.
1748779;1512746305;asciilifeform;possibly the chix see themselves as candidates for perma-move, and evaluate under it.
1748780;1512746324;asciilifeform;hence the 'i wouldn't want to lose seasons' thing.
1748781;1512746340;mircea_popescu;well... i never heard of anyone turning down night at the movies because it'd be uncomfortable to live in the movie hall. but who even knows.
1748782;1512746350;asciilifeform;just like when plebes invite'em overnight, they see 'marriage candidacy' etc.
1748783;1512746365;mircea_popescu;seems a little far fetched.
1748784;1512746418;mircea_popescu;anyway, getting together the material for a reshoot of ye olde http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ ; in which sense your garden of eden reference is quite lulzily apt.
1748785;1512746436;asciilifeform;lol neato.
1748786;1512746439;mircea_popescu;(no, not gonna publish the results. i'm like the world's only and thereby also foremost private pornographer.)
1748787;1512746452;asciilifeform;dunno, seems quite popular hobby
1748788;1512746463;asciilifeform;iirc even today 19th c. era 'private porns' regularly turn up in attics.
1748789;1512746478;asciilifeform;probably goes back to daguerre, and if you count hand-drawns -- to cave man.
1748790;1512746515;BingoBoingo;In other news yesterday's 7 argentine roommates were replaced by a smaller crowd of Brazilians
1748791;1512746530;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: equally invisible as the 7 ?
1748792;1512746531;BingoBoingo;So far two distinct types of Brazilians have been observed
1748793;1512746539;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: more visible
1748794;1512746576;BingoBoingo;1. Speaks spanish with the clearest accent possible 2. Terrified of Spanish, vastly prefers English language
1748795;1512746590;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But less of them.
1748796;1512746613;asciilifeform;lol BingoBoingo type1 sounds like yer personal nsa stoolie attache
1748797;1512746634;BingoBoingo;After retiring from la oficina last night mananged to socialize a bit
1748798;1512746653;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, 1 is not found in useful contexts for that
1748799;1512746771;BingoBoingo;I suspect the clarity of the Brazilian spanish accent is related to my own previous aural experience. When I studied a bit of portugues the accent was far easier for me to produce myself.
1748800;1512746799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah but matter of quality.
1748801;1512747040;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu says his personal pr0n is of high quality -- why should i not believe.
1748802;1512747099;asciilifeform;and there's nothing outrageous or even remarkable about not publishing something, asciilifeform dun publish and dun intend to 99.999..% of his various attempts, folx routinely make cake of arbitrarily good quality to eat by themselves, whatever.
1748803;1512747251;asciilifeform;it wouldn't surprise me, for instance, if one day mircea_popescu said that he made fine shotguns, but only hunted with'em himself. mendeleev made... suitcases. etc.
1748804;1512747337;mircea_popescu;tru
1748805;1512747854;BingoBoingo;?me contemplating taking up leather craft as a hobby in ~1-3 years if still here and business goes well in a way that allows some time for hobbying
1748806;1512747885;BingoBoingo;for the reason of better (for me) luggage and all
1748807;1512747918;kjj;mircea_popescu:  did you get my message earlier?  My router crashed shortly after I sent it, so if you replied I didn't see it
1748808;1512747998;kjj;well, technically, the UPS my router is plugged into shut down because it thinks it has a bad battery, but the end result is the same
1748809;1512748031;mircea_popescu;what message be that ?
1748810;1512748063;kjj;I had put in another request on mpex a little more than 2 days ago
1748811;1512748074;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1748812;1512748099;kjj;I take it there isn't much activity on that site these days
1748813;1512748106;mircea_popescu;yes, you keep taking that.
1748814;1512748135;mircea_popescu;now, do you have a stat showing you are in fact liquid for the amt ?
1748815;1512748181;kjj;yup
1748816;1512748184;mircea_popescu;lessee.
1748817;1512748381;kjj;https://pastebin.com/raw/80pSQT3b
1748818;1512748541;mircea_popescu;am i supposed to decrypt with your own key ?
1748819;1512748567;mircea_popescu;also use http://p.bvulpes.com/ for pastes please.
1748820;1512748576;kjj;hmm.  thought I encrypted it with your key
1748821;1512748589;mircea_popescu;!!key mircea_popescu
1748822;1512748590;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.asc
1748823;1512748751;kjj;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Xit0m/?raw=true
1748824;1512748933;mircea_popescu;"Wednesday the 6th of December 2017" << do you have one from prior to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743331 ?
1748825;1512748933;a111;Logged on 2017-11-27 14:20 mircea_popescu: kjj http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iNoOh/?raw=true
1748826;1512749027;kjj;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QWNd3/?raw=true
1748827;1512749132;mircea_popescu;am i supposed to decrypt with your own key ?
1748828;1512749133;kjj;grr.  sec
1748829;1512749194;kjj;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KO2AY/?raw=true
1748830;1512749560;mircea_popescu;heh look at that, payment tx got stuck.
1748831;1512749569;mircea_popescu;kjj sorry for the inconvenience, you should have it presently.
1748832;1512749584;kjj;ok.  thanks
1748833;1512751060;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1748834;1512751068;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15190.03, vol: 29568.44845415 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14914.15539186, vol: 149771.95652829 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15390.3, vol: 5975.35499307 | Volume-weighted last average: 14973.5260422
1748835;1512754013;trinque;damn it kanzure, call back the solar shield. it snowed last night in houston.
1748836;1512754192;mircea_popescu;is this part of the ongoing global warming ?
1748837;1512755227;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 2: Logical and Bitwise Operations.
1748838;1512757320;BingoBoingo;Milestones, first chivitos 14:14 GMT -3
1748839;1512757344;asciilifeform;wassat
1748840;1512757373;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Local steak sandwich with egg. Mistakely ordered two
1748841;1512757405;*;BingoBoingo also dropped la ropa off at la lavadora
1748842;1512760613;mircea_popescu;ands in other lulz, every time there's a major usd devaluation event, a new crop of http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ "joins" in the sense of "flips a bit inside own head from self-importantly ''ignoring'' bitcoin to just as self-importantly ''being involved'' in bitcoin, as if either bit state or the act of flipping can possibly matter in any manner" and then set to "fixing" their manifest inadequac
1748843;1512760614;mircea_popescu;ies (as perceived by themselves, which is to say, ''bitcoin problems'') through the SAME EXACT recipebook of nonsense.
1748844;1512760629;mircea_popescu;"going to regulate" it, check that out, as if anyone asked the dumb sons of a whore anything.
1748845;1512761283;BingoBoingo;Well they weren't asked and can't imagine being unwanted, so they derpity herpalurp
1748846;1512761301;BingoBoingo;Until they are finally asked... to shut up
1748847;1512762622;ben_vulpes;relatit: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-08/cohn-downplays-bitcoin-risks-as-white-house-eyes-evolving-market
1748848;1512763988;asciilifeform;'Cryptocurrency’s rise not a serious risk, Trump adviser says' << lol!!
1748849;1512764089;asciilifeform;[Global Notice] Hi all, we will be migrating services (NickServ, ChanServ and friends) to a new server in roughly half an hour. << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702605
1748850;1512764089;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 17:51 asciilifeform picture kgb d00d putting down cut wire in tap box to take smoke break
1748851;1512764387;BingoBoingo;!~later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously wtf are you still doing in KKKalifornia.
1748852;1512764388;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1748853;1512764418;asciilifeform;oh hey i wonder if he's got gangrene yet
1748854;1512764423;asciilifeform;( and if not -- why not )
1748855;1512764575;BingoBoingo;It's been a surprisingly long while. Stimulants and wound healing typically don't play well together
1748856;1512764587;asciilifeform;even more oddly so then, neh
1748857;1512764588;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748848 << they'd fucking better.
1748858;1512764588;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 20:13 asciilifeform: 'Cryptocurrency’s rise not a serious risk, Trump adviser says' << lol!!
1748859;1512764596;mircea_popescu;opposite tack worked poorly for ph.
1748860;1512764631;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748851 << lol look who's suddenly discovered the great outdoors.
1748861;1512764631;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 20:19 BingoBoingo: !~later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously wtf are you still doing in KKKalifornia.
1748862;1512764641;mircea_popescu;most zeks never leave "the country" aka zone, bb. it's WHY the zone even exists.
1748863;1512764693;asciilifeform;i laughed the first time, years ago , when i first read mircea_popescu said this on trilema; but since then met whole horde of usa folx who never even had a загранпаспорт
1748864;1512764704;asciilifeform;and 'what, go where'
1748865;1512764711;mircea_popescu;aha.
1748866;1512764746;asciilifeform;part of it i suspect is the feeling of futility, they know that the usian reservation is waiting for'em wherever they go
1748867;1512764760;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, I'd never left. So far I am noticing most prices here, where shit apparently happens in Uruguay only moderately lower than rural middle west yet... Quality of everything except door hardware vastly better in most respects
1748868;1512764764;asciilifeform;( in the places to which they'd even contemplate, that is, going )
1748869;1512764769;mircea_popescu;the "feeling of futility" is notable part of arsenal of self-imbecility, of course.
1748870;1512764782;*;BingoBoingo met first other gringo here last night at hostel
1748871;1512764813;BingoBoingo;~41 hours after plane touched down
1748872;1512764828;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to update patchviewer with ch2 at your earliest convenience
1748873;1512764828;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1748874;1512764864;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wat's wrong with the door ?
1748875;1512764866;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in horseplay, http://78.media.tumblr.com/6c9529da59bd0faed7a0c9032ee3f739/tumblr_nbp4rldRnp1sprsjzo1_500.gif
1748876;1512764892;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Most doors everywhere here tend to stick, latching mechanism last greased insufficiently and too far in the past
1748877;1512764939;BingoBoingo;Similarly toilet seats are uniformly lightweight molded particle board painted white.
1748878;1512764980;BingoBoingo;And the sinks while uniformly shiny often are showing early signs of valve failure.
1748879;1512764995;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: so far this matches the description of typical flat in usa
1748880;1512765004;asciilifeform;( at least east usa )
1748881;1512765087;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In middle west toilet seats usually molded lightweight plastic resin, and sinks/doors tend to be more routinely maintained
1748882;1512765111;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've even seen actual wood .
1748883;1512765119;asciilifeform;in the oldest houses, strictly.
1748884;1512765136;mircea_popescu;wood is not really all that great for this application.
1748885;1512765146;BingoBoingo;I have seen actual wood in US, usually homes of older people whether house is young or old
1748886;1512765147;asciilifeform;laquered, naturally. and why not ? good insulator
1748887;1512765181;mircea_popescu;eh, the sort of wood that doesn't work, like used for eg eastern iconography, is kinda expensive.
1748888;1512765261;mircea_popescu;incidentally, can anyone recount teh helter-skelter charlie mason scenario of risk, the game of world-diplomacy and international intrigue ?
1748889;1512765268;mircea_popescu;because it's one funny yarn.
1748890;1512765358;asciilifeform;!#s intrigue game
1748891;1512765359;a111;10 results for "intrigue game", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=intrigue%20game
1748892;1512765391;mircea_popescu;lol
1748893;1512765408;asciilifeform;it's apparently a phrase, but i only know it from mircea_popescu
1748894;1512765419;mircea_popescu;you know what risk is ?
1748895;1512765434;asciilifeform;philosophically..?
1748896;1512765455;mircea_popescu;nah, there's this tabletop game from the 80s, before esltards could engage in "reasoned commentary" on the interwebs
1748897;1512765461;asciilifeform;parchesi ?
1748898;1512765467;mircea_popescu;they did the same thing with little plastic figurines. "the nation of africa".
1748899;1512765484;asciilifeform;dice game, with back-and-forth motion, it ?
1748900;1512765558;mircea_popescu;https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91jJWHkkA1L._SL1500_.jpg ; Farnham's Freehold : Robert A. Heinlein: 9780671722067: Amazon ...: ; Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein - Goodreads: 
1748930;1512766781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when was this ?
1748931;1512766820;asciilifeform;old...
1748932;1512766826;asciilifeform;1960s
1748933;1512766836;mircea_popescu;well yes but 1962 or 1969 ?
1748934;1512766856;asciilifeform;62.
1748935;1512766873;mircea_popescu;the manson theory is he lifted it from the beatles. but...
1748936;1512766908;asciilifeform;1964. apparently.
1748937;1512766929;asciilifeform;http://www.troynovant.com/Stoddard/Heinlein/Farnhams-Freehold.html << oblig modern pantsuit butthurt re ancient b00k.
1748938;1512767312;mircea_popescu;man, remember the times a hugo meant somenthing ?
1748939;1512768945;asciilifeform;looong ago.
1748940;1512768977;asciilifeform;( today it is given to approx. 'blackest, femalest, queerest' etc victimolympiad medalist )
1748941;1512769092;mircea_popescu;well the fact that the whole thing is ten anon schmucks in a foodcourt somewhere dun help any.
1748942;1512769113;asciilifeform;~900 anon schmucks
1748943;1512769126;asciilifeform;in a... but who cares
1748944;1512769149;mircea_popescu;i would be surprised if they can get enough people together to interest a cheap restaurant.
1748945;1512769157;asciilifeform;!~google worldcon
1748946;1512769158;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Worldcon | The World Science Fiction Convention: ; Worldcon - Wikipedia: ; The World Science Fiction Society | Worldcon and the Hugo Awards: 
1748947;1512769163;asciilifeform;subj.
1748948;1512769167;mircea_popescu;yaya.
1748949;1512769182;mircea_popescu;according to google, all the pantsuitisms are HUGE
1748950;1512769188;mircea_popescu;irl, there's a long abandoned locked door.
1748951;1512769211;asciilifeform;these are what mircea_popescu calls 'rubber chicken feasts', massive at least in body count
1748952;1512769219;asciilifeform;if not in any other substance, loud, public.
1748953;1512769254;mircea_popescu;these are what argentines call "night clubs". "massive" except NOT TODAY. nor any other day. they happen, sometime, somewhere, for sure. but not ever actually.
1748954;1512769295;mircea_popescu;prior to 4am "the night life hasn't started yet". at 3:45, you know, "oh, there's nobody here because NOT STARTED YET". then at 4am "come back next time".
1748955;1512769299;*;asciilifeform never been to 'worldcon'. but even the nearest imitation , in baltimore, md, typically has a few thou .
1748956;1512769320;mircea_popescu;of which 0.what % even know what the fuck is there ?
1748957;1512769332;mircea_popescu;mall, also has a few thou. they just walked in to get out of the rain.
1748958;1512769341;asciilifeform;why they are there, is a quite orthogonal q, and not an easy one.
1748959;1512769352;mircea_popescu;if one day that self-same mall that gets coupla thou each day puts up "world con!11" posters doesn't mean they're conning anyone.
1748960;1512769371;mircea_popescu;much like if hillary stands her pantsuit on a rock and gestures wildly, she's not making the sun come out "from hiding"
1748961;1512769394;asciilifeform;really it is not difficult to find a few thou idjits to sell tickets to. witness the 'seekoority' cons, with 10s of thou warm bodies, coupla hundy ea.
1748962;1512769413;mircea_popescu;there;s a humongous difference between crowd driving and crowd following. which is why cowboys (traditional herd drivers) think very little of shephers (traditional herd followers)
1748963;1512769428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's a corp racket. they're disguised pep rallies.
1748964;1512769447;mircea_popescu;"oh you don't want to talk to our ''consultants'' ? what ifwe pretended this isn't happening at work ?!?!"
1748965;1512769513;asciilifeform;the 1 asciilifeform was sent to, few yrs ago, was even worse than this.
1748966;1512769578;mircea_popescu;but anyway, major distinction between burning man style things, catering mostly to the unemployed hipstger crowd, and the buzzword things, catering mostly to the castrated yuppy crowd.
1748967;1512769580;asciilifeform;( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-18#1375488 )
1748968;1512769580;a111;Logged on 2016-01-18 18:36 ascii_butugychag: on account of that schmuck at shmoocon who was peddling a group-theoretical crypto algo, quasi-proprietary and patentalicious, that was more or less stolen verbatim from maslennikov's book...
1748969;1512769627;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-16#1372921 << +.
1748970;1512769627;a111;Logged on 2016-01-16 18:53 ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true
1748971;1512769684;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: point being, there is also a castrated employed hipster crowd, and every other combinatoric arrangement of these also.
1748972;1512769738;mircea_popescu;see also http://thewhet.net/2016/12/argentina-comicon-bonbon/
1748973;1512769753;*;asciilifeform read it
1748974;1512769763;mircea_popescu;the age of cons etc is well past.
1748975;1512769791;asciilifeform;i cannot answer whether they're a ~profitable~ racket in usa. but they ~are~ well-attended.
1748976;1512769801;asciilifeform;certainly not the picture with 'old rusty door'.
1748977;1512769816;mircea_popescu;they are not a thing though. airport bathrooms also well attended, and yet no glory holes counterculture.
1748978;1512769834;mircea_popescu;which was the point : remember when a hugo meant something.
1748979;1512769897;asciilifeform;and meanwhile yet another 'last 7 yrs!111' led lamp sputters, dies, in asciilifeform's machineroom.
1748980;1512769903;asciilifeform;installed in... july
1748981;1512769924;mircea_popescu;why do you keep buying them ?
1748982;1512769931;asciilifeform;heat
1748983;1512769940;mircea_popescu;i have incandescents here, 50 or so lamps, didn't yet have to change one
1748984;1512769941;mircea_popescu;ah
1748985;1512769962;asciilifeform;i'd pay easily a few hundy, say, for a good one. but it's a mythical beast.
1748986;1512770047;asciilifeform;really oughta put in fluorescent tubes, but asciilifeform spent too much already for 1 lifetime under fluorescents.
1748987;1512770106;*;asciilifeform brb.
1748988;1512773630;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the spam traps, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Q6GK4/?raw=true
1748989;1512773644;asciilifeform;'Please invest responsibly'
1748990;1512774344;mircea_popescu;lol coinbase pretending like anyone using them ? THATS NEW!11
1748991;1512774368;asciilifeform;lulzy tho, 'expect goxlag!'
1748992;1512774424;asciilifeform;fwiw i bought a coin there once to see what would happen. ( but earlier i also did this at... mtgox . worked there also! )
1748993;1512774437;asciilifeform;it did!11
1748994;1512776773;mircea_popescu;hastawork sometimes
1748995;1512780205;BingoBoingo; prior to 4am "the night life hasn't started yet". at 3:45, you know, "oh, there's nobody here because NOT STARTED YET". then at 4am "come back next time". << Aha, Argentines last to wake and last to sleep
1748996;1512780236;mod6;evenin'
1748997;1512780269;BingoBoingo;Bom noche
1748998;1512780461;mod6;<@deedbot> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 2: Logical and Bitwise Operations. << will read. thanks for posting!
1748999;1512781251;mod6;always remember to thank the bots.
1749000;1512781700;mircea_popescu;lel
1749001;1512781744;mod6;how goes tonight?
1749002;1512781824;mircea_popescu;ran in the rain, got terrible shin cramps from it, got massage from nude interloper while playing with her tits... my life is so unfair.
1749003;1512781900;mod6;haha
1749004;1512781941;shinohai;Still snowing here, power is back though so yay
1749005;1512781950;mircea_popescu;hey.
1749006;1512781967;mircea_popescu;good thing all the pantsuits saved you folk from dat blogal marming, huh.
1749007;1512781987;mod6;thankgerd
1749008;1512782059;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so, did your time spent with the orlov menagerie pay off ?
1749009;1512782280;BingoBoingo;Lol, the weather today muy bien, Felt around 27 at 2 pm then cooling ocean breeze and clouds. Sun went down and it warmed back up a bit.
1749010;1512782292;BingoBoingo;In old country summer days not like this at all
1749011;1512782322;mircea_popescu;ocean on the right, better than ocean on the left.
1749012;1512782412;BingoBoingo;Tell that to Florida...
1749013;1512782435;BingoBoingo;But that could also be the gulf making it hurriciane bait
1749014;1512782445;mircea_popescu;hm.
1749015;1512782453;mircea_popescu;i guess i shouldn't generalize!!!1
1749016;1512782468;BingoBoingo;Eh, +ocean so far beating -ocean
1749017;1512782586;BingoBoingo;Adjusting to activities of daily living is happening, taking more time than I though.
1749018;1512782722;BingoBoingo;Hopefully by Monday some recommendations on abagados will have rolled in, but... not yet. Last one cold contacted offered a shelf corp for $4800, gringo rate (para tax shelter) appear to hover around $5000 mas o menos. Still trying to find srs businessman rate.
1749019;1512783132;BingoBoingo;Necissito mas venezueleanas
1749020;1512783199;mircea_popescu;motherfucker.
1749021;1512783215;mircea_popescu;so /me finally was going to look at steam today. after you know, waiting for it to die like five years.
1749022;1512783222;mircea_popescu;idiots stopped taking bitcoin like, wednesday.
1749023;1512783396;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748872 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch2_logicals thanks for letting me know
1749024;1512783396;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 20:27 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to update patchviewer with ch2 at your earliest convenience
1749025;1512783413;phf;also added gpr and adc to get colorized as ada
1749026;1512783664;BingoBoingo; idiots stopped taking bitcoin like, wednesday. << Ayer
1749027;1512783684;BingoBoingo;Miercoles? no, ayer
1749028;1512783775;mircea_popescu;where's the fucking video with the entire boardroom of steam shaving their armpits and shoving live chickens up their assholes in wailing agony of shame and regret for having SOLD all the bitcoin they got immediately, instead of keeping it ?
1749029;1512783798;mircea_popescu;"oh, we don't expose ourselves to currency risk, because we're self-important hookers with self-determination and human rights and we get to make decisions and shit"
1749030;1512783836;mircea_popescu;DID NOT work out for them ; and in typical fashion of imbecilitard, they WILL NOT confront it. ever. 100% dedicated to this, until i personally fucking grind their face in the dirt, they'll go on "lalala we know shit":\
1749031;1512783850;mircea_popescu;"gotta cater to the neets, that\s where the five bux is hurr durr"
1749032;1512783923;*;BingoBoingo awaits NeetBGone spray
1749033;1512783948;BingoBoingo;Brb, mingle time
1749034;1512786449;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cMntd/?raw=true
1749035;1512786467;deedbot;hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DkhxL/?raw=true
1749036;1512786483;deedbot;hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zHdaA/?raw=true
1749037;1512786618;trinque;dat fee market.
1749038;1512786660;mircea_popescu;lel
1749039;1512790776;hanbot; always remember to thank the bots. << mhm, thanks deedbot <3
1749040;1512790997;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749008 << nope, deadly-boring
1749041;1512790997;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 01:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so, did your time spent with the orlov menagerie pay off ?
1749042;1512791012;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749023 << ty phf !
1749043;1512791012;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 01:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748872 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch2_logicals thanks for letting me know
1749044;1512791369;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749022 << did any of these nonsenses ever ~take btc~ , or did they merely take bitpayolade ? ( and the latter i'll guess finally croaked..? )
1749045;1512791369;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 01:33 mircea_popescu: idiots stopped taking bitcoin like, wednesday.
1749046;1512791406;asciilifeform;last i heard, e.g., dell and microshit, 'took bitcoin' ( equally fiatronically )
1749047;1512791604;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749025 << pretty great, it worx
1749048;1512791604;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 01:36 phf: also added gpr and adc to get colorized as ada
1749049;1512791653;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf consider sharing your ada parser, i'd like to make a clickable-keywords hyperlinked thing at some point
1749050;1512791653;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1749051;1512802874;ben_vulpes;> pragma Pure
1749052;1512802880;ben_vulpes;slowly coming around to this ada thing
1749053;1512805484;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: W_ZeroP is pretty nifty; this is a the great and legible approach to numulating with computers i've been missing my whole life
1749054;1512822129;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1749055;1512822136;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15011.78, vol: 14964.17889650 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14936.0, vol: 69368.82029594 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15100.2, vol: 3178.19548484 | Volume-weighted last average: 14954.9215241
1749056;1512826342;BingoBoingo;In other news, last night crowd was primarily Brazilians in town for the Cannabis expo
1749057;1512829806;mircea_popescu;in other you-can't-imagine-what-decivilization-is : abs wheel sensors here, $130. each. in sanelands, $30, a set of 4.
1749058;1512830312;mircea_popescu;if you're wondering WHY the fuck would anyone buy singles, your mind is working correctly and you're on the way to explaining the mystery : imbecile orcmind DOES NOT PROVISION! DOES NOT MAINTENANCE! and generally has a very peculiar relartionship with the future, as discussed eg in http://trilema.com/2017/this-blog-is-now-about-bticino-and-other-coinsiderations/#footnote_0_75919 ; or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735612
1749059;1512830312;a111;Logged on 2017-11-09 20:25 mircea_popescu: cuz these people WILL NOT FIX, anything, ever, until it literally breaks.
1749060;1512830312;mircea_popescu;or so on.
1749061;1512830339;mircea_popescu;so basically : they do not keep supplies. latino mind does not understand there's something shameful in having shop of X, not having X.y item in stock.
1749062;1512830379;mircea_popescu;consequently, because no demand, because no management, because no understanding whatsoever of what this capitalist world is or how it works, THEREFORE it makes ~~~perfect economic sense~~~ for part to cost 4x 4x what it costs among smarter people.
1749063;1512830404;mircea_popescu;THIS is what end-of-civilisation means : as you include more and more brownies and "their values" into society, you exclude more and more sense and welfare from the economy.
1749064;1512830439;asciilifeform;'sensor is what we dunhave at the sensor shop!1'
1749065;1512830448;mircea_popescu;ikr
1749066;1512830463;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was how usa croaked
1749067;1512830478;asciilifeform;!#s neutron absorbers
1749068;1512830478;a111;1 result for "neutron absorbers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=neutron%20absorbers
1749069;1512830493;mircea_popescu;aha.
1749070;1512830493;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455832
1749071;1512830493;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 15:58 asciilifeform: i like to call people who by their very presence make various constructive activities impossible, 'neutron absorbers'
1749072;1512830616;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749053 << yer in for a treat,  ben_vulpes , whole thing is made of this
1749073;1512830616;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 07:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: W_ZeroP is pretty nifty; this is a the great and legible approach to numulating with computers i've been missing my whole life
1749074;1512830640;mircea_popescu;i gathered :)
1749075;1512830720;asciilifeform;of course W_ZeroP only works the way it does because compilers are sad , in turn because people were idiots in 1970s and did not shoot the wreckers who so much as suggested to call a thing without overlow and zero flags, a cpu
1749076;1512830734;asciilifeform;*overflow
1749077;1512830864;asciilifeform;btw here's a phunphakt for ben_vulpes : ffa cannot be used as-is on ppc. ibm in infinite whizzdom made their mul instruction nonconstanttime.
1749078;1512830873;asciilifeform;it shortcuts on zeros.
1749079;1512830918;asciilifeform;if you must run on ppc, yer basecase (word x word) multer has to be 'egyptian'.
1749080;1512831091;asciilifeform;and i'ma have to write a detector for this kind of idiocy, because anything at all can be expected from intel et al.
1749081;1512831165;asciilifeform;for mul, pretty simple, time the interval needed for e.g. million 0x0 mulls vs million maxint x maxint ( and a few other patterns )
1749082;1512835388;mircea_popescu;!!up BigTexasBingo
1749083;1512835389;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1749084;1512835410;BigTexasBingo;Holy fuck do Brazilians smoke fuck tons of ganja
1749085;1512835485;*;BigTexasBingo has for the near term readopted cigarettes for social cover
1749086;1512835684;*;BigTexasBingo may be learning more Portugues atm than Spanish.
1749087;1512835791;BigTexasBingo;Sobriety still intact. Still only met un gringa, though have now encountered a Brazilian born in Nueva York
1749088;1512835809;mircea_popescu;good for you.
1749089;1512835909;BigTexasBingo;Necessito encuentrar un nuevo lavador por mi ropa. Current one hasn't been attended since I dropped off mi ropa. But only been by twice.
1749090;1512835938;asciilifeform;->encontrar ?
1749091;1512835949;BigTexasBingo;Find
1749092;1512835951;asciilifeform;yes
1749093;1512835962;asciilifeform;but mutilated. or is this what the portuguese do.
1749094;1512836001;*;asciilifeform grammarschool nitpicking
1749095;1512836022;BigTexasBingo;It is the effect of my spanish immersion being invaded by the Brazillians and their slow, incredibly understandable speech.
1749096;1512836066;BigTexasBingo;Weather here still muy bueno.
1749097;1512836226;BigTexasBingo;And adjusting to hostel life
1749098;1512836276;BigTexasBingo;Cowork life is very accommodating
1749099;1512836293;asciilifeform;what exactly is a 'cowork'
1749100;1512836370;BigTexasBingo;It is an office building floor whereI rent desk, get coffee and language practice, and fiscal address to give the lawyer
1749101;1512836377;asciilifeform;aa neato
1749102;1512836401;asciilifeform;iirc phf had one of these in usa
1749103;1512836402;BigTexasBingo;Monthly cost is in TBI statement
1749104;1512836452;BigTexasBingo;Have access 24/7 to space
1749105;1512836488;BigTexasBingo;Locking storage fwiw
1749106;1512836533;BigTexasBingo;And rooftop lounge area for socializing and phone calls
1749107;1512836556;BigTexasBingo;Brb, adventure resumes
1749108;1512836564;asciilifeform;habitable outdoors must be pretty great.
1749109;1512838861;BingoBoingo;It is indeed, the hours from doce y media through Cuartena y media can be rather hot, but milder than in the homeland
1749110;1512838996;BingoBoingo;!!up _whitelogger
1749111;1512838996;deedbot;_whitelogger voiced for 30 minutes.
1749112;1512839607;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1749113;1512839613;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13650.0, vol: 13035.50063927 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13632.0, vol: 64530.65458759 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14066.7, vol: 3056.60516005 | Volume-weighted last average: 13651.3908676
1749114;1512839643;BingoBoingo;Ah, the weekend dollar liquidity crunch
1749115;1512842476;BingoBoingo;And in Argentines trying Navy Seal copypasta http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8uKS0/?raw=true
1749116;1512842747;BingoBoingo;No, they are not being considered for jack shit
1749117;1512844676;phf;i think this is the happiest i've seen BingoBoingo ever
1749118;1512850358;TomServo;heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment
1749119;1512850623;TomServo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748919 << something like this? https://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/miniwebproxy
1749120;1512850623;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 20:54 asciilifeform: at some point one will need a sort of proxy simply to read heathenwww on anything like human os/iron
1749121;1512850860;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749118 << link ?
1749122;1512850860;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 20:12 TomServo: heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment
1749123;1512851042;asciilifeform;TomServo: the proxy thing sounds exactly like what i wanted. primo candidate for tmsrization.
1749124;1512851142;TomServo;asciilifeform: it dropped by the time I thought to archive, https://archive.is/iYTlp
1749125;1512851261;asciilifeform;ty TomServo , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15887475 has a little ball of lulz already, complete with card-carrying ninjashotgunner,
1749126;1512851273;asciilifeform;!#s tptacek
1749127;1512851273;a111;17 results for "tptacek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tptacek
1749128;1512851365;TomServo;aha, I recognized the name, didn't recall the connection
1749129;1512854019;asciilifeform;TomServo: see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523233 .
1749130;1512854019;a111;Logged on 2016-08-17 16:54 asciilifeform: all i solidly know of the tptacek fella is his reaction to phuctor.
1749131;1512854092;asciilifeform;elsewhere, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675980.
1749132;1512854092;a111;Logged on 2017-06-28 16:09 asciilifeform: beloved sage ideologue of the schneierism komyoonity, author of gems like https://archive.is/ootJi
1749133;1512854141;asciilifeform;d00d is, as i understand, a 'pillar-of-the-komyoonity', i.e. full-time politruk.
1749134;1512858244;asciilifeform;!!up clambodile
1749135;1512858245;deedbot;clambodile voiced for 30 minutes.
1749136;1512858413;clambodile;Thank you
1749137;1512858472;asciilifeform;who might you be, clambodile ?
1749138;1512858647;clambodile;I would describe myself as "a rando". I found this channel by chance, thought it seemed interesting.
1749139;1512858668;asciilifeform;clambodile: consider reading log, at http://btcbase.org/log and elsewhere, and see chan subjline.
1749140;1512858768;clambodile;asciilifeform: I thought I would lurk for now, if that's aight.
1749141;1512858816;asciilifeform;clambodile: there is no substitute for reading the log, if you want to have even half a clue. but lurk all you like, nobody's stopping anyone from lurking.
1749142;1512860020;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749118 << this attracted such choice intellects last time...
1749143;1512860020;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 20:12 TomServo: heh FFA Chapter 2 is #1 on hacker news at the moment
1749144;1512860052;asciilifeform;the q asciilifeform asks each time is 'wai'. it's not unlike learning that you've been featured on radio pyongyang
1749145;1512860104;mircea_popescu;comes with teh territory.
1749146;1512860138;asciilifeform;does it ? i dun recall last time e.g. trilema was '#1 on tardcombinator'
1749147;1512860151;mircea_popescu;a year or so ?
1749148;1512860156;asciilifeform;possibly i'm not using enuff repellentpowder, lol
1749149;1512860160;asciilifeform;hm possibly yea
1749150;1512860196;mircea_popescu;periodicity of the venues. yearly on that shitpit, monthly on that other shitpit etc.
1749151;1512860265;*;asciilifeform these days finds it hard to muster the givingashit to even follow up on 'was linked from shitpit!11' much of the time
1749152;1512860340;asciilifeform;this time took a peek after all, to see 'are the hannoboecks still on duty'. answ: they are.
1749153;1512860365;mircea_popescu;not hard for them : not wanted anywhere else. what could they possible do all day ?
1749154;1512860404;asciilifeform;dunno, how about they pick up rubbish with bare hands, like in india.
1749155;1512860516;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1749156;1512860656;trinque;I dunno; I would've taken the comparison to Terry Davis as a compliment!
1749157;1512860663;trinque;patron saint of computing juche
1749158;1512860705;mircea_popescu;it's funny how idiocy secretes narrative as its natural metabolism. algae make oxygen and estlatrds make loose stories.
1749159;1512864225;mircea_popescu;lurking, eh.
1749160;1512866087;*;asciilifeform fiddles with serverz. the noise -- abominable
1749161;1512866101;mircea_popescu;!!up izabera
1749162;1512866101;deedbot;izabera voiced for 30 minutes.
1749163;1512866114;izabera;hi
1749164;1512866122;mircea_popescu;how goes
1749165;1512866132;izabera;all good, i don't actually need help or anything
1749166;1512866139;mircea_popescu;cool
1749167;1512866141;izabera;just found this chan on https://archive.is/CGQkR
1749168;1512866156;asciilifeform;ohai izabera . are you a customer ?
1749169;1512866161;izabera;nope
1749170;1512866166;izabera;at least not yet
1749171;1512866214;asciilifeform;izabera: the unit is very much still available.
1749172;1512866274;izabera;how many did you actually sell?
1749173;1512866292;asciilifeform;izabera: try asking dell how many servers he sold ?
1749174;1512866302;mircea_popescu;not like it's not in the reports. hundred or so ?
1749175;1512866316;izabera;not bad
1749176;1512866328;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dun think we ever published the exact #. although folx oughta be able to arithmetize.
1749177;1512866340;mircea_popescu;within a degree of magnitude, sorta thing
1749178;1512866340;asciilifeform;100 was just the first batch ( which sold out last yr )
1749179;1512866501;izabera;are the prices on this page https://archive.is/CNpWm up to date?
1749180;1512866518;mircea_popescu;nah.
1749181;1512866547;mircea_popescu;where was that danielpbarron  amazion thing ?
1749182;1512866562;asciilifeform;0.0395 is the current.
1749183;1512866572;izabera;still hella expensive
1749184;1512866584;asciilifeform;izabera: i gotta bite : compared to what ?
1749185;1512866590;izabera;a ps4
1749186;1512866604;asciilifeform;someone sells an auditable trng called ps4 ?
1749187;1512866611;asciilifeform;link ?
1749188;1512866613;mircea_popescu;lol ps4
1749189;1512866621;mircea_popescu;wouldja simmer down alfie!
1749190;1512866639;asciilifeform;i mean it is also expensive compared to children's tricycle. but how about comparing similar items..
1749191;1512866769;izabera;i mean you must be aware of btc's recent jump to >15k usd
1749192;1512866893;mircea_popescu;izabera you can prolly pick up some in teh aftermarket ; either amazon or w/e.
1749193;1512867086;danielpbarron;someone bid and won it for 200 USD
1749194;1512867095;danielpbarron;i'll put some more up soon
1749195;1512867097;mircea_popescu;was your last one ?
1749196;1512867107;danielpbarron;i have plenty more
1749197;1512869035;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque is your musltronic gentoo recipe posted anywhere ?
1749198;1512869035;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1749199;1512869179;asciilifeform;!!up BingoBoingo
1749200;1512869179;deedbot;BingoBoingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1749201;1512869187;asciilifeform;err
1749202;1512869292;danielpbarron;!~later tell izabera https://www.ebay.com/itm/292364922124
1749203;1512869292;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1749204;1512869314;asciilifeform;oh hey notbad biznis danielpbarron has.
1749205;1512869323;danielpbarron;yeah it'
1749206;1512869341;danielpbarron;yeah it's pretty nice. i can't really lose money selling these things
1749207;1512869370;danielpbarron;even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort
1749208;1512869517;asciilifeform;possibly folx are less reluctant to part with fiatola than good old coinz
1749209;1512869575;danielpbarron;i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me
1749210;1512869610;*;asciilifeform realized not long ago that he's quite ready to pay considerably 'more' in fiatola for a hypothetical item that is also-sold for btc , on account of the difficulty of replenishing the latter
1749211;1512870388;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749209 << this is the key of the strategy.
1749212;1512870388;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 01:32 danielpbarron: i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me
1749213;1512870483;mircea_popescu;!!up clambodile
1749214;1512870484;deedbot;clambodile voiced for 30 minutes.
1749215;1512871477;asciilifeform;!!up clambodile
1749216;1512871477;deedbot;clambodile voiced for 30 minutes.
1749217;1512871501;asciilifeform;clambodile: please get an irc bouncer , or lurk by reading the logs. join/part spamola is not welcome
1749218;1512872368;cruciform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171210/#52 they charged me import duty a fortnight after arrival!
1749219;1512872369;scriba;Logged on 2017-12-10: [01:29:30]  even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort
1749220;1512872510;cruciform;just about finished up with 6 months of logs; turns out I've a LOT of work to do! :-)
1749221;1512872516;mircea_popescu;lol
1749222;1512872538;mircea_popescu;!!up esthlos
1749223;1512872539;deedbot;esthlos voiced for 30 minutes.
1749224;1512872943;danielpbarron;cruciform, if you don't mind, i'm curious what they charged you
1749225;1512872998;cruciform;danielpbarron: £15, iirc
1749226;1512873134;asciilifeform;in other noose, ALL of the 'livedvd' on gentoo's ftp appear to contain poetteringolade ( boots into gui horror, with systemd, 'networkmanager'-at-boot, etc. )
1749227;1512873365;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: reproducing ben_vulpes' travails ahaha?
1749228;1512873377;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: reproducing everybody's travails
1749229;1512873378;ben_vulpes;likely with the 'wrist' to make it work
1749230;1512873396;asciilifeform;no exotic archs tho
1749231;1512873422;ben_vulpes;buddy i've been beaten back on entirely conventional archs even of late
1749232;1512873449;asciilifeform;i thought ben_vulpes had a ppc thing
1749233;1512873457;ben_vulpes;among others, yes
1749234;1512873520;ben_vulpes;it is sitting happily on a desk, refusing to ada for reasons of package gcc 4.9 blocks gnat-gpl, which is the point at which i threw up my hands and declared a temporary retrograde advance
1749235;1512873820;asciilifeform;the sad fact re gnat is that there is no known way to build a gnat without an existing (built) gnat.
1749236;1512873881;asciilifeform;( the building can happen, however , on any box having a working gnat of whatever type )
1749237;1512873951;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you want to use gcc's gnat, you gotta get old ( 2016 and earlier oughta work ) tarball manually, and build; or obtain the 'obsolete' gentoo ebuild.
1749238;1512873957;asciilifeform;alternatively you can use adacore's item.
1749239;1512873967;asciilifeform;( i don't know of any particular reason to spit on it )
1749240;1512874196;ben_vulpes;most recently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740314
1749241;1512874196;a111;Logged on 2017-11-18 18:10 ben_vulpes: but the very very funny event was the script from the adacore binstaller simply fails, and instructed me to check an empty log file
1749242;1512875300;asciilifeform;ugh
1749243;1512875315;asciilifeform;that's a first. this was on the ppc? or on pc?
1749244;1512879683;ben_vulpes;pc
1749245;1512879845;ben_vulpes;cruciform: webirc is going to piss everyone off with join/part spam
1749246;1512879861;ben_vulpes;either get a real bouncer or read the wwwlogz
1749247;1512911331;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749146 << here's something perhaps of interest re all that : loper-os beat btcbase for referrals for the first time in history (and harshly, 2:1 sorta thing) this month.
1749248;1512911331;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 22:55 asciilifeform: does it ? i dun recall last time e.g. trilema was '#1 on tardcombinator'
1749249;1512911331;mircea_popescu;so we could say the ycombined parameciums are moving, knocking about the walls of the petri dish. nevertheless, they don't feel at liberty to derp in comments there like they do on your site -- notwithstanding the bar to comment on loper-os is actually too high what with the google captcha thing.
1749250;1512911344;mircea_popescu;so you might actually be right, i'm scary (or at least, scary-er).
1749251;1512911437;mircea_popescu;the ~other~ explanation, however, might well be that i don't write on topics about which they're trained to think they have an oppinion. it's easy to forget the parameciums are not actually people, and to imagine human process impels them ; this isn't however the case, they just go where they were trained to go and do what they were trained to do, no more.
1749252;1512911445;BingoBoingo; err << Tis airport handle made for device that can't be trusted with bouncer credential, nothing important may come out of there, merely fresh annecdotes from safari
1749253;1512911486;mircea_popescu;and consequently one continuously runs the risk of having produced an inadvertent bike shed, because according to inscrutable alien logics the aliens will land and disrupt rock concerts but not country music concerts ; or vice-versa. cuz the aliens think they can rock or whatever.
1749254;1512911514;BingoBoingo; even when i paid almost 100 USD to ship to that UK guy i still profited quite well for the effort << If you want to drop some off personally in montevideo, you will likely avoid customs charges.
1749255;1512911534;mircea_popescu;"oh, are you writing about $item ? this is in my bayesian list, here's five things i selected from the database of things to be selected when this $item is mentioned! #metoo".
1749256;1512911552;mircea_popescu;meanwhile for all values of $item not in empire_db... silence.
1749257;1512911607;BingoBoingo;Customs when I arrived worked out as so: 1. See declarations paper work outside duty free shop exit in front of baggage claim 2. Fill out for for networking gear. 3. Wheel bags to customs gate around corner, holding paper in hand 4. Get waved through into Uruguay in name of speed
1749258;1512911620;BingoBoingo;This process may not hold when tourism season ends
1749259;1512911670;mircea_popescu;it'll hold, dude. i went illegalyl from mexico into guatemala for literal lack of anyone to give a shit.
1749260;1512911873;*;BingoBoingo has also secured Spanish lessons beginning next week from cute Venezualan girl who teaches English for some school in the WTC
1749261;1512911925;BingoBoingo;Naturally she will be coming to my oficina
1749262;1512911991;BingoBoingo;And the Brazilians here for Expo Cannabis are still smoking hella weed
1749263;1512912016;*;BingoBoingo kinda surprised danielpbarron isn't already here, prolly ought to save the date for next year's
1749264;1512912233;BingoBoingo;The Brazilian manner of smoking Cannabis is to roll it into joins ~120-150 mm long and chain smoke them in the manner estadounidenses chainsmoke cigarettes
1749265;1512914168;BingoBoingo; i think this is the happiest i've seen BingoBoingo ever << This would not be inaccurate
1749266;1512917799;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749235 << nobody has solved the bootstrapping problem. every time you touch a system that's in any way attempts to not be a c-machine you run into that issue
1749267;1512917799;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 02:43 asciilifeform: the sad fact re gnat is that there is no known way to build a gnat without an existing (built) gnat.
1749268;1512917934;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/10/fui-al-cine/ << Bingo Blog - Fui al cine
1749269;1512917969;BingoBoingo;Brb, outside time
1749270;1512919953;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749249 << 0 paramecium dropping in the ffaseries comments thus far
1749271;1512919953;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 13:08 mircea_popescu: so we could say the ycombined parameciums are moving, knocking about the walls of the petri dish. nevertheless, they don't feel at liberty to derp in comments there like they do on your site -- notwithstanding the bar to comment on loper-os is actually too high what with the google captcha thing.
1749272;1512919968;asciilifeform;they mostly stick to their own heathen-pits.
1749273;1512920043;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749251 << this is probably it.
1749274;1512920043;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 13:10 mircea_popescu: the ~other~ explanation, however, might well be that i don't write on topics about which they're trained to think they have an oppinion. it's easy to forget the parameciums are not actually people, and to imagine human process impels them ; this isn't however the case, they just go where they were trained to go and do what they were trained to do, no more.
1749275;1512920299;asciilifeform;'oh here's something that looks like a proggy. let's all stand next to it and opine.'
1749276;1512920514;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749266 << asciilifeform has been chewing on this conundrum for a while. the inevitable pill is a minimal ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736844 ) but reasonable microscopic interpreter ( likely schemelike ) in asm; and from it, to climb back up.
1749277;1512920514;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 14:56 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749235 << nobody has solved the bootstrapping problem. every time you touch a system that's in any way attempts to not be a c-machine you run into that issue
1749278;1512920514;a111;Logged on 2017-11-12 23:12 asciilifeform: i'm not fully convinced that a scripting lang ~needs~ a gc
1749279;1512930595;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748564 << >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000280.html
1749280;1512930595;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 02:18 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747850 << no prob! will have the 'Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch Guide' (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html) updated by the end of the weekend.
1749281;1512932219;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper
1749282;1512932219;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1749283;1512932477;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other oddities, http://www.rdos.net/rdos
1749284;1512933736;asciilifeform;in other oldies, elsewhere, in bloatology : https://archive.is/Yt92E << '20 years of NetBSD code bloat' . with chart.
1749285;1512933789;asciilifeform;'I have built a NetBSD release from trunk 1 January each year 2002–2016 ... I built i386 (which is the NetBSD name for x86, even though it does not support i386 CPUs any longer) and sun3. The reason I choose them is that they represent two extremes of architectures — sun3 is a hardware platform that was obsolete already in the mid-nineties, so software size "should not" increase for it unless new functionality is added, while the
1749286;1512933789;asciilifeform; i386 hardware is still used, and it has got more features, bigger caches etc., during this time, which may increase code size.'
1749287;1512940663;asciilifeform;!!up nocko
1749288;1512940664;deedbot;nocko voiced for 30 minutes.
1749289;1512940989;nocko;I was linked to FFA guide, started looking around and am now here. I cannot say that I yet have half an idea what's going on... but hello.
1749290;1512942139;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740481 << the stage3 i deeded up allows for gcc 4.9. see http://danielpbarron.com/2017/gentoo-eulora-quest/
1749291;1512942139;a111;Logged on 2017-11-18 22:22 ben_vulpes: republic really doesn't have repeatable steps for building a gentoo with gcc 4.9, does it
1749292;1512942332;danielpbarron;oh, i think i already linked this to you.. did it not work?
1749293;1512945327;trinque;there will be a brief wallet outage while I swap a hard drive.
1749294;1512951093;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ << Trilema - Of ducks and lameness
1749295;1512951838;trinque;looks like the migration went fine; wallet's back up.
1749296;1512951872;*;mircea_popescu waves
1749297;1512952008;trinque;evening!
1749298;1512952152;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741325 << obvious false church. Bible says women are to remain silent in there
1749299;1512952152;a111;Logged on 2017-11-20 17:03 mircea_popescu: in other news, ended up in local church after walk this morning. had to leave once priest showed up and the womenz starting "singing" an hymn
1749300;1512952178;mircea_popescu;catholics have female choirs, but much more musical than this.
1749301;1512952206;mircea_popescu;weirdo neoprotestant garbage, "find teh jaysus within" and "participate" negrochurch nonsense.
1749302;1512952210;danielpbarron;catholicism is a false religion for many other reasons besides letting women speak in church
1749303;1512952238;mircea_popescu;sure. tho of interest to me is the cultural tradition. like skateboarding or w/e.
1749304;1512952291;danielpbarron;any church that let's strangers walk into the service is at question in the first place, on the grounds that the Bible says you shouldn't pray in public
1749305;1512952293;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749293 << isn't it fucking interesting how these keep happenhing ?!
1749306;1512952293;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 22:35 trinque: there will be a brief wallet outage while I swap a hard drive.
1749307;1512952324;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron maybe they're sub-praying.
1749308;1512953033;trinque;in this case it was a box going from an IDE platter to IDE to mSATA adapter + ssd.
1749309;1512953039;mircea_popescu;ah
1749310;1512969272;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/12/10/why-cme-and-cboe-bitcoin-futures-arent-important-and-dont-matter/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Why CME and CBOE bitcoin futures arent important and dont matter.
1749311;1512987614;RagnarDanneskjol;nice one Pete
1749312;1512987695;RagnarDanneskjol;mircea_popescu I have a couple of translators sorting out their IRCs today and should be present within the next 24 hrs or so.  I've only done some basic screening - they are all native Chinese, speak English well enough and are available to do translation work.  Besides speaking to them, I have NOT gone through any further process of elimination - ie. collected writing samples to have compared, etc.
1749313;1512987695;RagnarDanneskjol;Don't know if you already have anyone in place for comparing/assessing outputs..  In the past I've used colleagues in Beijing to help screen candidate writing samples (cause I don't read or speak Ornamental).  I'm happy to have someone do the same if it helps.  Otherwise, will just let you take over from here.
1749314;1512995500;BingoBoingo; http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ << Trilema - Of ducks and lameness << Awe, mircea_popescu tries BingoBoingo style exploration
1749315;1512995506;BingoBoingo;Mega pictures incoming
1749316;1512995702;shinohai;Buenas Dias Sr. BingoBoingo
1749317;1512995712;BingoBoingo;Buen dia shinohai
1749318;1512995786;BingoBoingo;Que tal?
1749319;1512996049;BingoBoingo;So, on Sundays Montevideo does get very sleepy. Except for the ferias!
1749320;1512996569;shinohai;Glad Bb is adjusting to his new climes.
1749321;1512996719;shinohai;Please to check out http://divas.com.uy/es/sex-clubs.html and let me know if worth visiting.
1749322;1512996912;BingoBoingo;In time. I am still map building my local environment and extending it out of Pocitos and Buceo. These boots were made for walking.
1749323;1512998195;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform found the seekrit of realtek nic init
1749324;1512998206;asciilifeform;!#s realtek
1749325;1512998206;a111;41 results for "realtek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=realtek
1749326;1512998319;BingoBoingo;Bueno!
1749327;1512998412;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/11/el-primero-domingo-en-montevideo-for-the-midwestern-rube/ << Bingo Blog - El Primero Domingo En Montevideo For The Midwestern Rube
1749328;1512998862;BingoBoingo;So, as I intensify the abogado search, are there any lord who would like to take on the responsibility of handling TBI responsibilities should something "nailgun" happen to El Gringo Bingo? mircea_popescu? shinohai? ben_vulpes? Anyone else in L1?
1749329;1512998933;mircea_popescu;RagnarDanneskjol cool.
1749330;1512998942;shinohai;BingoBoingo: TBI ?
1749331;1512998944;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's tbi ?
1749332;1512998961;shinohai;[desire to know intensifies]
1749333;1512998965;mircea_popescu;lol
1749334;1512998995;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o wow!
1749335;1512999036;mircea_popescu;dude, the more you get oppressed, the more you get productive. ima hire pro dommes to come to your house and insult your manhood.
1749336;1512999050;mircea_popescu;circle the block in those silly slut jeeps, cropped tops and loudspeakers.
1749337;1512999229;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo what's tbi ? << The working name of The Boingo ISP
1749338;1512999232;mircea_popescu;aaand in other "curse of the ukr chick" news, temp here dropped to a very cool 15 over the past coupla days. HOW DO YOU LIKE MY MILD NAO, BEOTCH!
1749339;1512999286;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you have this newfound penchant for vagueness. NOT "is there anyone willing to be involved in transactions" but YES "can anyone lend me five bux".
1749340;1512999342;mircea_popescu;NOT "did you ever consider venera's wings could take a turn most material" but YES "wanna come back to my place ?"
1749341;1512999346;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If USG.blue were to off me, is there anyone who would want to take over or wind down the venture, or is this not the time to discuss continuity?
1749342;1512999354;mircea_popescu;nobody's fucking offing you.
1749343;1512999357;BingoBoingo;Ok
1749344;1512999386;mircea_popescu;even cheap bullets are like 50 cents each. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473356 is like $15 a pop.
1749345;1512999386;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 20:10 mircea_popescu: still, stuff like the raufoss mk211 is the exact pill for "oh, we're armored". orly ? well done, so the round won't blow clear through you! enjoy zirconium fire in your spleen!
1749346;1512999407;BingoBoingo;I suspected as much when I made it to Montevideo instead of Guantanamo.
1749347;1512999541;shinohai;Careful BingoBoingo it may be a carefully crafted 3-D simulation.
1749348;1512999619;BingoBoingo;I don't think USG can simulate the smell of cannabis smoke, however the Brazilians here for the "expo cannabis" are departing either for home or Punta del Este
1749349;1512999755;BingoBoingo;In other news, the Brazilians at the hostel are easily impressed. One of the guys staying there was local actor with an IMDB profile, but el gringo had the ability to enjoy the cool night air shirtless.
1749350;1512999784;mircea_popescu;not like making an imdb profile takes more than ten minutes.
1749351;1512999923;asciilifeform;wasn't ben_vulpes's chix a 'imdb-profiled' notable ?
1749352;1512999923;BingoBoingo;Eh, there were some film credits there. The German girl was impressed by the credits, but did not look as good as the Brazilain girls. Maybe if the German girl was from 10-20 years ago she could compete against the locals and the Brazillians? Today, no.
1749353;1513000002;mircea_popescu;on the strength of http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ all rthose chicks are imdb-notable.
1749354;1513000019;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749334 << found, to be clear, archaeologically, from the rdos thing, rather han from clever reversing
1749355;1513000019;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 13:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o wow!
1749356;1513000030;asciilifeform;*than from
1749357;1513000031;mircea_popescu;ah.
1749358;1513000033;mircea_popescu;still...
1749359;1513000078;asciilifeform;so nao canhaz e.g. 'packet processor in asm on pcengines' and similar items from old threads.
1749360;1513000112;mircea_popescu;aha
1749361;1513000127;asciilifeform;( pcengines apu1 is ~the~ x86 fiddling platform as it has the magic sage port )
1749362;1513000165;mircea_popescu;ya
1749363;1513000167;BingoBoingo;Also anyone want to come to Montevideo and hang out, drop off some servers? Apparently you have until March before the weather turns London-esque.
1749364;1513000237;asciilifeform;in other noose, turned up that the pilot opterons in asciilifeform's torture room have a disappointing onboard raid that supports only sata2 (3Gb/s). upgrading'em with sata3 raidtrons (6Gb/s)
1749365;1513005430;mats;you have to pay to get on imdb anyways
1749366;1513005740;mats;asciilifeform: what sata3 raid card are you using?
1749367;1513005968;asciilifeform;mats: 3ware . ( afaik nobody else has ever made an iron raid that worked half a shit's worth )
1749368;1513006026;mats;has anyone documented it?
1749369;1513006059;asciilifeform;mats: more specifically ?
1749370;1513006061;mats;the 3ware sata3 card
1749371;1513006095;asciilifeform;document means what ? i've been using'em in gentoo boxes for decade+, fwiw.
1749372;1513006108;asciilifeform;or is mats asking whether anyone's reversed the thing down to transistor ? or wat
1749373;1513006123;mats;latter
1749374;1513006133;asciilifeform;afaik not it, and not any other disk controller either
1749375;1513006135;asciilifeform;or for that matter disk
1749376;1513006142;asciilifeform;or southbridge. or or or.
1749377;1513006147;mats;ok ok
1749378;1513006148;asciilifeform;nobody's properly reversed damn near anything
1749379;1513006162;asciilifeform;( not, at any rate, publicly . )
1749380;1513006331;mats;do you have a gentoo recipe for apu1?
1749381;1513006369;asciilifeform;mats: not specifically. it's a standard opteron, with the exception of no vga. ( use serial console. )
1749382;1513006425;asciilifeform;and given as it uses linuxbios (coreboot) exclusively ( there was in fact no turdware bios afaik ever released for'em at all ) it makes it inviting to stuff the kernel into rom
1749383;1513006429;asciilifeform;but it isn't mandatory.
1749384;1513006456;asciilifeform;unless yer kernel is monstrously fat ( and why would it be ) -- it'll sit down in the rom.
1749385;1513006456;mats;any reading materials on how i can do that?
1749386;1513006465;asciilifeform;do which
1749387;1513006477;mats;stuffing kernel into rom
1749388;1513006486;asciilifeform;there is ( or was ? ) a tarball on the vendor's www.
1749389;1513006514;asciilifeform;oh hah it's gone innit.
1749390;1513006533;asciilifeform;i'ma have to clean up and genesis mine. pretty heavy chore, it is full of extraneous matter.
1749391;1513006570;asciilifeform;if yer getting an apu1, mats , go straight for the apu1d4 .
1749392;1513006579;asciilifeform;and ideally get several, they are getting scarce.
1749393;1513006624;mats;i have two on my desk, been toying with centos on it
1749394;1513006659;asciilifeform;http://pcengines.ch/howto.htm#coreboot << found it.
1749395;1513006730;asciilifeform;mats: didja solder in the sage header ?
1749396;1513006753;mats;its on the to-do list
1749397;1513006817;mats;i have two gizmo1 kits also
1749398;1513006829;asciilifeform;those are usable out-of-the-box
1749399;1513006860;asciilifeform;( you gotta cure the probes, naturally, with sage_pill . but no soldering needed )
1749400;1513006923;mats;lots going on for mats, i'm trying to make my way to .tw within a year, then hk. futzing with student visa right now
1749401;1513006942;asciilifeform;neato
1749402;1513006948;shinohai;neat mats :)\
1749403;1513007015;BingoBoingo;mats: Do you know where you DON'T need a visa?
1749404;1513007416;danielpbarron;!!balance
1749405;1513007420;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WcbTD/?raw=true
1749406;1513007643;mats;BingoBoingo: .uy ?
1749407;1513007741;danielpbarron;!!withdraw 0.5 19d9wv2iKiMZMDkFMbeLg1SwC7nQNoxnHd
1749408;1513007745;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Gm25F/?raw=true
1749409;1513007790;BingoBoingo;mats: Si
1749410;1513007938;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1749411;1513007946;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16300.0, vol: 16236.10809696 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16317.0, vol: 82186.68268852 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16500.0, vol: 4624.69923118 | Volume-weighted last average: 16322.5344009
1749412;1513007959;BingoBoingo;And the crashing resumes
1749413;1513008281;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/j4d0e/?raw=true
1749414;1513008285;asciilifeform;in related lulz, https://archive.is/B8lQp << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193376
1749415;1513008285;a111;Logged on 2015-07-08 17:08 mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
1749416;1513008356;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Ack, good luck and best wishes
1749417;1513011033;BingoBoingo;In other annecdotes people The most popular 1st guess of my nationalty by the locals is Brazilian which is followed by English.
1749418;1513011111;BingoBoingo;Usually I have to volunteer Soy de estados unidos. Most locals appear to be unfamiliar with the term estadounidense
1749419;1513011122;BingoBoingo;But recognize estados unidos
1749420;1513011161;shinohai;Throw in a few hue's and br's to confuse them.
1749421;1513011612;phf;BingoBoingo: you just need to wear one of those texan cowboy hats
1749422;1513011628;BingoBoingo;Brazilian seems to be their default guess for foreigners that aren't obviously Argentine
1749423;1513011686;BingoBoingo;phf: They may confuse it with a panama hat. For a nominally latin country I am somehow more tan on the exposed areas of my skin than many of the local adult males.
1749424;1513011742;phf;same with me, like most slavs, after about a week of sun, i bronze
1749425;1513011784;BingoBoingo;I redden and then it shifts to brown
1749426;1513011795;phf;yeap
1749427;1513011944;BingoBoingo;The local men range from ghastly pale to light brown with some outliers at the african end of the spectrum. The local women range from olive or slightly tanned to medium roast coffee with fairly even gradient distribution so far observed.
1749428;1513012021;BingoBoingo;The closest site to US urbania so far were some terrified dominican tourists and their scared ~10 year old child decked out in "thug chainz"
1749429;1513012160;BingoBoingo;For other gringos contemplating travel to Montevideo, so far in my experience voseo has not been a big deal. However my ears are still adjusting to yeshimo.
1749430;1513013500;lobbes;Mientras tanto en Nueva York: https://archive.is/w0qpH
1749431;1513013684;lobbes;And in archive news, Archivierungsprozess chugs on, albiet slowly. roughly 30k historical urls zipped so far. In addition, everything posted in chan since nov 8 has also been zipped
1749432;1513013740;trinque;pretty cool lobbes
1749433;1513015122;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749425 << I have always been envious of "normal" skin like this. I'm a ginger, so my skin has only two states: ultra-white and "lobster"
1749434;1513015122;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 17:03 BingoBoingo: I redden and then it shifts to brown
1749435;1513015127;*;lobbes when 18, visited DR with Dominican co-workers at the time. Forgot to reapply sunscreen after entering ocean one afternoon. Skin was peeling and oozing for ~2 weeks afterwards
1749436;1513015201;BingoBoingo;Mine rarely gets that bad, worst case it stays red longer before brownshift. Except for the solar concentrator that appears to be my nose. That can blister.
1749437;1513015388;lobbes;Oya. Nose and ear-tips. For some reason my forearms can take more solar abuse. Closest thing to 'tan' I can achieve is on arms
1749438;1513015625;BingoBoingo;Lol, yeah. The shirt covered area is still pale, but it did not detract from how impressed the Brazilian girls of were with my magic gringo power of tolerating ~15 C temperatures on the bare skin
1749439;1513015850;shinohai;"Discovered" http://archive.is/oflnp
1749440;1513015915;asciilifeform;shinohai: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654582
1749441;1513015915;a111;Logged on 2017-05-11 17:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile, https://archive.is/83lMS >> HP winblowz boxen, turns out, ship with keylogger in sound card driver.
1749442;1513015952;asciilifeform;not that 1 more, or 1 less trojan is particularly meaningful on a microshit box
1749443;1513016040;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-15#1238626 and elsewhere. subj beaten entirely to death. )
1749444;1513016040;a111;Logged on 2015-08-15 15:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238595 << when boiling the proverbial frog, when it gets cooked enough you can just turn up the heat to whatever. srsly, they included a keylogger and admitted to it. why should they not also rape you in every other possible hole, and drill new ones as desired ?
1749445;1513016317;shinohai;The tireless potcoin advocate, perhaps the US' only hope to avoid total nuclear annihilation http://archive.is/jKcNb
1749446;1513020581;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749365 << ya but it's like twennybux
1749447;1513020581;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 15:17 mats: you have to pay to get on imdb anyways
1749448;1513020628;BingoBoingo;That's like 2 something awfuls!!!
1749449;1513020655;mircea_popescu;lol. about what it's worth too
1749450;1513020660;mats;the page blurb i read about ‘imdb pro’ suggested 150/yr
1749451;1513020732;mats;not bad i guess
1749452;1513020751;mircea_popescu;a miliwife.
1749453;1513020762;mircea_popescu;you know, like milimorts. except in terms of pointless expenditure.
1749454;1513020831;asciilifeform;'that battleship! 500GWives'
1749455;1513020843;mircea_popescu;aha.
1749456;1513021183;BingoBoingo;In other news, the locals in my immediate meatspace are lagging on lists of sane abogados. However, contact with local accounting firms is yeilding replies.
1749457;1513021238;mircea_popescu;cut through the gringo fleecing zone, and the quicker the better.
1749458;1513021278;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749400 << are they of the people who actually give a shit ?
1749459;1513021278;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 15:42 mats: lots going on for mats, i'm trying to make my way to .tw within a year, then hk. futzing with student visa right now
1749460;1513021279;BingoBoingo;Meeting up with some venezualan girls tonight who also do the small business thing.
1749461;1513021286;mircea_popescu;nb.
1749462;1513021305;BingoBoingo;Also for spanish lessons from my fellow economic refugees.
1749463;1513021417;BingoBoingo;Hopefully the end of the "expo cannabis" means more interesting travelers begin passing through the hostel.
1749464;1513021419;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749414 << in related lulz, CBOE scores just around bitcointalk-level "entreprise", entirely unmatcing mpex historical performance.
1749465;1513021419;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 16:04 asciilifeform: in related lulz, https://archive.is/B8lQp << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193376
1749466;1513021437;mircea_popescu;not that they perceive their obligation to actually come here on hands and knees after this utter failure to mean or matter.
1749467;1513021480;mircea_popescu;anyway, prong two of that poisoned caltrop, where "but wait, futures AGAINST WHAT PRICE SIGNAL" hasn't even landed yet.
1749468;1513021495;mircea_popescu;i bet 100% of those involved with promoting the idiocy are lawyers, because watch out when the suing starts.
1749469;1513021607;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749421 << then they'll think he's jackychanense
1749470;1513021607;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 17:00 phf: BingoBoingo: you just need to wear one of those texan cowboy hats
1749471;1513021640;*;BingoBoingo ended up getting a local style maybeleather/maybevinyl hat
1749472;1513021653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as far as i can see , linked turd is entirely 'hey let's try and make paper-btc the way we did paper-au' usg gambit
1749473;1513021663;*;BingoBoingo will probably end up slicing it up for flame testing
1749474;1513021674;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform evidently.
1749475;1513021689;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: surely you can tell leather from vinyl with naked eye / finger
1749476;1513021699;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dumbass hat went away from me today. so i ran after it and fucking stomped it. bitch.
1749477;1513021704;mircea_popescu;i guess ima be buying a new hat.
1749478;1513021727;asciilifeform;today we learn mircea_popescu does not wear a chapeau claque!111
1749479;1513021748;mircea_popescu;lol
1749480;1513021760;mircea_popescu;i do not wear mechanisms on my head.
1749481;1513021764;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: One would think, superficial observation suggests thing leather, but the price anywhere else in the world suggest vinyl
1749482;1513021794;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: asciilifeform came back from ro with some astonishingly decent fur hats.
1749483;1513021807;asciilifeform;( from what animal ? who can say. but -- natural product. )
1749484;1513021807;mircea_popescu;why astonishing ? they do furs well.
1749485;1513021811;asciilifeform;astonishing price.
1749486;1513021901;mircea_popescu;ah. nah, fair.
1749487;1513021920;mircea_popescu;furs are only expensive if the pantsuits are trying to sell their polyester.
1749488;1513021930;asciilifeform;let's say, 2-3x cheaper than similar item in usa, supposing one knew where in usa one could even find it.
1749489;1513022117;asciilifeform;in other lulz, ffa series has been very, very, well... loaded? ( 'read' is not the word, i have nfi if anybody other than apeloyee read it )
1749490;1513022166;BingoBoingo;lol
1749491;1513022173;mircea_popescu;lol
1749492;1513022184;asciilifeform;incidentally folx: each of you who considers himself 'graduate' of an ffa chapter, consider signing
1749493;1513022197;mircea_popescu;what's to read, it's just code, right ?
1749494;1513022204;*;BingoBoingo slowly working on read, but each read is likely to take ~100 loads
1749495;1513022212;asciilifeform;read, nitpick aggressively, build and run
1749496;1513022221;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo don't do that, you have shit to do.
1749497;1513022233;asciilifeform;do the exercises ( where i marked 'if you do not fully get this, get out a notebook and pencil ' etc 0
1749498;1513022233;asciilifeform;)
1749499;1513022285;*;asciilifeform is addressing this mainly to folx who ~already~ took the time.
1749500;1513022289;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Slowly in this context means read title, skim, and scribble reminder that post exists in next year's calendar
1749501;1513022305;mircea_popescu;aha
1749502;1513022369;BingoBoingo;reading mostly limited atm to logs, Trilema proper, informaccion de Uruguay, y mas material en Espanol.
1749503;1513022378;mats;oh yeah, small island nation
1749504;1513022384;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749431 << this live anywhere, or not jetzt ?
1749505;1513022384;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 17:34 lobbes: And in archive news, Archivierungsprozess chugs on, albiet slowly. roughly 30k historical urls zipped so far. In addition, everything posted in chan since nov 8 has also been zipped
1749506;1513022440;BingoBoingo; oh yeah, small island nation << Also azn, so they care about trivia. Latinos however only care about pretense of the trivia and stand down when ignored.
1749507;1513022440;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749435 << this is because you have no souls!
1749508;1513022440;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 17:58 lobbes when 18, visited DR with Dominican co-workers at the time. Forgot to reapply sunscreen after entering ocean one afternoon. Skin was peeling and oozing for ~2 weeks afterwards
1749509;1513022462;diana_coman;asciilifeform, fwiw I read it as in went through it line by line and with pencil and paper; ran it too at the end, played a bit around with tests and that; and since we are at this, nitpick: in FZ_Swap why T:=X if already initialised at declaration or what am I missing of Ada in there?
1749510;1513022471;asciilifeform;oh hey diana_coman
1749511;1513022487;*;asciilifeform looks
1749512;1513022499;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lulz of all time, a while back : cop pulls over, asks driver if she knows what the speed limit is. before she can answer i ask him if he knows the way to so and so, which he proceeds to explain. we... leave.
1749513;1513022511;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you're quite right!!
1749514;1513022525;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the useless line will be thrown out, and diana_coman will be credited in the next mailbag.
1749515;1513022535;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I have given so many people directions over the weekend. Primarily... Delivery drivers.
1749516;1513022536;asciilifeform;eagle eye.
1749517;1513022537;mircea_popescu;lol!
1749518;1513022581;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this is why it's mighty great when folx actually read
1749519;1513022623;BingoBoingo;Typically moto with rubbermaid storage container strapped to the back pulls up, hails me from a clearly not thief distance and requests directions.
1749520;1513022633;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749438 << dis guy.
1749521;1513022633;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 18:07 BingoBoingo: Lol, yeah. The shirt covered area is still pale, but it did not detract from how impressed the Brazilian girls of were with my magic gringo power of tolerating ~15 C temperatures on the bare skin
1749522;1513022648;mircea_popescu;next time, tell 'em a girl can't be cold if her concha's functioning properly.
1749523;1513022681;diana_coman;asciilifeform, glad to help, even this tiny bit
1749524;1513022708;mircea_popescu;taking a line out is the largest non-tiny bit ; after taking two lines out.
1749525;1513022708;asciilifeform;diana_coman: a useless line cut out, is not a small bit, it is a serious contribution .
1749526;1513022714;asciilifeform;^^^
1749527;1513022717;mircea_popescu;TOOLATE :D
1749528;1513022717;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it.
1749529;1513022722;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'll have to try that the next windy night
1749530;1513023002;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in trilemalottery, http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/#comment-123868
1749531;1513023056;mircea_popescu;trilema articles. ARE ETERNAL.
1749532;1513023070;asciilifeform;sorta the point of writing, neh
1749533;1513023082;mircea_popescu;yeh.
1749534;1513023424;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749440 << saw a civillian windows machine earlier today, it was a show! two different antiviri, firefox took ~5 minutes to load a page, went dark 5 times in the interval, it was something else.
1749535;1513023424;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 18:11 asciilifeform: shinohai: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654582
1749536;1513023460;asciilifeform;sounds typical
1749537;1513023487;asciilifeform;betcha every keypress sprouts packets, too
1749538;1513023547;mircea_popescu;oh in other lulz : so the whole "$metoo" charade finally came to conclusion, now that us needs un to mediate korea suddenly usg.blue main gal at un is derping about how "$metoo was all about trying to get trump" ?
1749539;1513023619;asciilifeform;!#s metoo
1749540;1513023620;a111;14 results for "metoo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=metoo
1749541;1513023655;mircea_popescu;you know, usg politruks trying to abuse the legal system to harass males for no reason.
1749542;1513023848;asciilifeform;aaa
1749543;1513024226;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he has a point, FZ_Neg is nonsense.
1749544;1513024243;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: definitely point. it's getting renamed in next ch.
1749545;1513024247;asciilifeform;FZ_Not
1749546;1513024252;mircea_popescu;v fucking rocks dunnit.
1749547;1513024280;asciilifeform;ffa series is as much a course in vtronics, as in arithmetics.
1749548;1513024305;asciilifeform;( i deliberately made no effort to help vless savages , this time, with ready-made tarballs or the like )
1749549;1513024604;asciilifeform;relatedly, https://archive.is/Wnavt << heathen comments preserved in amber.
1749550;1513024898;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749504 << not yet. My current idea is to post a plaintext list of all zipped urls on my www. People can curl/grep what they are interested in and submit either a list of urls or a single url to lobbesbot via !Qarchive and then be sent a download link.
1749551;1513024898;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 19:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749431 << this live anywhere, or not jetzt ?
1749552;1513024908;lobbes;I'll add the aggregate 'filesize' of the zips requested to their 'tab' and work out payment later on down the line. Probably will be the '1 satoshi per Mb' rate to be called once past a certain threshold
1749553;1513024948;mircea_popescu;lobbes ideally should have it queriable. like say !Qhas https://soandso
1749554;1513024955;mircea_popescu;oh, speaking of which!
1749555;1513024982;lobbes;I can make that happen
1749556;1513025012;mircea_popescu;!QAuction 1 168 The very notebook displayed in http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ ! Free shipping anywhere in the world included.
1749557;1513025012;lobbesbot;AUCTION # 163 STARTED by mircea_popescu: The very notebook displayed in http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ ! Free shipping anywhere in the world included. Opening: 1 coppers Ending: 2017-12-18 20:43:32 UTC (168 hours)
1749558;1513025046;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1749559;1513025054;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17123.07, vol: 18431.67105555 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17126.0, vol: 86326.20598473 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17300.0, vol: 4923.59607879 | Volume-weighted last average: 17133.3184732
1749560;1513025118;mircea_popescu;so if it's fiddy bux to ship, and 1e9 ECu to the Bitcoin, it then follows anything under 3mn is actually a loss.
1749561;1513025132;*;mircea_popescu is curious
1749562;1513025144;lobbes;!Qbid 163 1
1749563;1513025144;lobbesbot;AUCTION # 163: The very notebook displayed in http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ ! Free shipping anywhere in the world included. Heard: 1 from lobbes Ending: 2017-12-18 20:43:32 UTC (167 hours 57 mins)
1749564;1513025181;mircea_popescu;lobbes o wait, it's going to do hourly announcements here too because called here ?
1749565;1513025189;lobbes;Lol. Still some kinks to work out for it to work in #trilema it seems
1749566;1513025190;lobbes;Op maybe not
1749567;1513025221;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1749568;1513025348;lobbes;Indeed
1749569;1513025350;lobbes;Or actually. I'ma have to check. It may be limited to only announce in #eulora still
1749570;1513025356;*;lobbes Will review teh code again tonight.
1749571;1513025357;mircea_popescu;that's how it should be.
1749572;1513025375;mircea_popescu;ppl want to follow its auction list can just join there.
1749573;1513025412;lobbes;!Qauctionlist
1749574;1513025429;lobbes;Yup. #eulora only
1749575;1513025440;mircea_popescu;cool.
1749576;1513025463;mircea_popescu;this is a pretty great set-up!
1749577;1513025497;mircea_popescu;i can sell my art!!!1
1749578;1513025713;shinohai;Now take same notebook, have slave girl wipe ass on single sheet. Put up for auction on reddit or a chan. Pretty sure some degenerate will pay $100+ for a waifu notebook with poop in it.
1749579;1513025800;mircea_popescu;my girls tend to be as described in http://trilema.com/2017/tute/ ; very opposite of waifu.
1749580;1513025803;diana_coman;ugh, that cover
1749581;1513025818;mircea_popescu;diana_coman now imagine me with the beard buyinbg it
1749582;1513025882;diana_coman;funnier still walking around with it; fwiw the text reads though as if it actually starts somewhere in the 4th paragraph
1749583;1513025892;mircea_popescu;well yes, 3rd page
1749584;1513026549;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, so i'm standing here on balcony perched up on this hillside while the winds gust all around bending the palms almost to the ground. the sky is mostly clear, with beautiful cloud coloring work.
1749585;1513026558;mircea_popescu;TIME TO CACKLE MENACINGLY AT THE FREE WORLD!!111
1749586;1513026585;*;asciilifeform did picture mircea_popescu as having a dedicated 'muhahahahaha' balcony
1749587;1513026599;mircea_popescu;(the wind power plant still unmoved. they missed out on like 30% of all the power they're ever gonna generate this year, because of this lulz. i do not believe it's a genuine technological item anymore.)
1749588;1513026621;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was it one of those affairs where the windmills swivel ?
1749589;1513026668;asciilifeform;they won't swivel ( or eventually, for that matter , turn ) if not lubricated. and mircea_popescu did find that monkeystani folx dun believe in maintenance..
1749590;1513026668;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to round out the mental image, smoked salmon, grana padano, pepper slices and pinot grigio (delle venezie, igt) spritzed with san pelegrino and ice.
1749591;1513026672;mircea_popescu;MMMMWAHAHAHAHAH
1749592;1513026855;danielpbarron;!QAuction 10000000 72 First Generation FUCKGOATS Hardware Random Number Generator Unit #50 plus free S.NSA t-shirt -- free international shipping
1749593;1513026856;lobbesbot;AUCTION # 164 STARTED by danielpbarron: First Generation FUCKGOATS Hardware Random Number Generator Unit #50 plus free S.NSA t-shirt -- free international shipping Opening: 10000000 coppers Ending: 2017-12-14 21:14:15 UTC (72 hours)
1749594;1513026877;danielpbarron;let's see what's more popular: ebay or lobbesbot :D
1749595;1513026882;mircea_popescu;o damn, have i forgot to mention the slave-made bread ?
1749596;1513026901;mircea_popescu;i guess i did, at that. poor slavegirls, how they slave, literally, over a hot stove only to be taken for granted.
1749597;1513026904;mircea_popescu;down with teh patriarchy.
1749598;1513026922;mircea_popescu;who was the guy who wanted one ?
1749599;1513026947;mircea_popescu;!~later tell izabera http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749592
1749600;1513026947;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 21:14 danielpbarron: !QAuction 10000000 72 First Generation FUCKGOATS Hardware Random Number Generator Unit #50 plus free S.NSA t-shirt -- free international shipping
1749601;1513026947;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1749602;1513026985;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron rather, lets see what happens first, 3 days pass or 10mn ECu become worth more than a car.
1749603;1513027023;trinque;this is pretty damned cool lobbes.
1749604;1513027094;danielpbarron;and while we're on the topic, i also have a non-auction listing on ebay where people can buy multiple or make me an offer
1749605;1513027185;shinohai;I like the door facades in that house mircea_popescu ... what does kitchen look like/consist of ?
1749606;1513027198;mircea_popescu;trinque word! /me is like actually looking around the house for more shit to sell!
1749607;1513027223;mircea_popescu;shinohai us style fridge, electric stove, a double sink and countertops. or how do you mean ?
1749608;1513027256;shinohai;I was hoping perhaps it contained massive, old-world kitchen.
1749609;1513027277;danielpbarron;!Qbid 163 1mn
1749610;1513027278;lobbesbot;AUCTION # 163: The very notebook displayed in http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ ! Free shipping anywhere in the world included. Heard: 1mn from danielpbarron overbidding lobbes Ending: 2017-12-18 20:43:32 UTC (167 hours 22 mins)
1749611;1513027778;trinque;!!v 9D0F6680D2E67509050EE11D105CFC0C77CE89F7DBE1E411023A543E627F1BCA
1749612;1513027779;deedbot;trinque rated lobbes 2
1749613;1513027846;*;lobbes bows at trinque
1749614;1513027852;lobbes;For people in #t who may not be aware. (The fees only apply to those who start an auction. Bids are always phree): http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-11.log.html#t01:43:33
1749615;1513027853;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-09-11 01:43:33:  New fees are now as follows: 2000 ECu per hour for auctions ending with a sale, 10000 ECu per/hr for auctions ending in no sale
1749616;1513027893;lobbes;Collected every quarter. Can be paid via eulora or deedbot
1749617;1513027948;mircea_popescu;shinohai nah. BUT! i did encounter a massive old world item, which i will presently show. though other thinjhs in queue. so after that.
1749618;1513028017;mircea_popescu;lobbes you might want to reconsider thouse ; iirc they were pegged back when btc was 1k or so.
1749619;1513028209;lobbes;Alternatively, there's always the traditional % off of sale. But iirc the fees were introduced to curb spamming in channel of 'derp' auctions
1749620;1513028216;mircea_popescu;yeh.
1749621;1513028229;lobbes;Which flat per hour makes moar sense
1749622;1513028256;lobbes;I got some noodling to do it seemz
1749623;1513028305;mircea_popescu;what's this come too, lessee
1749624;1513028356;mircea_popescu;!~calc 17133.3184732 * 168 * 1e5 / 1e9
1749625;1513028357;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 17133.3184732 * 168 * 1e5 / 1e9 = 287.83975034976004
1749626;1513028390;mircea_popescu;so it's gonna cost me... 300 bucks if this auction ends up unbidden ?
1749627;1513028403;lobbes;Yeahh... hm
1749628;1513028428;mircea_popescu;seems like... two degrees of magnitude off. unless i'm fucking the math up.
1749629;1513028435;mircea_popescu;which i think it must be because it was never this expensive.
1749630;1513028562;lobbes;Ah, wait. Shouldn't it be: 17133.3184732 * 168 * 1e4 / 1e9 ?
1749631;1513028574;mircea_popescu;yes, it should.
1749632;1513028591;mircea_popescu;and yet... it STILL seems two degrees of magnitude off.
1749633;1513028635;mircea_popescu;the principal consideration here being that if you charge more than maybe a quarter or so, you're basically paying for someone to make a competitor.
1749634;1513028643;mircea_popescu;which is imo kinda wasteful at this stage.
1749635;1513028676;danielpbarron;heh, my early adopter privilege blinded me to this
1749636;1513028702;lobbes;Makes sense. Yeah, should prolly only cost you roughly 3 bux if no sale using sane fees
1749637;1513028725;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i know, right ?
1749638;1513028780;mircea_popescu;lobbes also bear in mind teh http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746620
1749639;1513028792;mircea_popescu;tis wise to undershoot early and keep the loot for later.
1749640;1513028860;lobbes;Ok, I can see this reasoning. I'm thinking I'll reduce fees to: 100 ecu per hour no sale, 20 per hour if sale
1749641;1513028884;mircea_popescu;bam.
1749642;1513028938;mircea_popescu;that moment when there's three different singlet earrings on your coffee table and you can't find your spare camera battery among them
1749643;1513029187;lobbes;Ftr, these reduced fees will be applied retroactively for all Q4 billz. For next year, I'm thinking I may switch to the "only pay once you hit certain hour threshold" model.
1749644;1513029375;mod6;<+asciilifeform> incidentally folx: each of you who considers himself 'graduate' of an ffa chapter, consider signing << fwiw, I have held back signing on ch1 since I can not still build it out of the box, successfully.
1749645;1513029421;mircea_popescu;lobbes remind me to give you a chetty stick next we meet ; for greater glory.
1749646;1513029432;mircea_popescu;not even sure what they;'re worth by now, but prolly a benji or so.
1749647;1513029448;mircea_popescu;mod6 what croaks ?
1749648;1513029452;mod6;There was some commenting out of the Restrictions that I needed to do.  If/when I get a successful environment to build it, then will sign.
1749649;1513029474;trinque;would probably be useful to say which restrictions.
1749650;1513029497;trinque;could point to platform limitations, or wreckers in particular ada version, or...
1749651;1513029515;mod6;this was supposidly because im running 2015 adacore.  which i can buy.  but have had even less success with Adacore 2016 and 2017.  not to say that I won't get the incantaiton correct at somepoint, but for now, I can't build it successfully.
1749652;1513029530;mod6;<+trinque> would probably be useful to say which restrictions. << it's in the logs.
1749653;1513029537;trinque;ah k
1749654;1513029546;danielpbarron;lobbes, i think i still owe you from a previous quarter and you should price that based on whatever it was back then
1749655;1513029573;mod6;I only mention this again simply because this is the 2nd time I've seen alf ask for sigs.
1749656;1513029586;mod6;And I'm taking the time to explain why I have not.
1749657;1513029645;lobbes;danielpbarron, sounds like a plan. Lemme know if you wanna settle via eulora vs deedbot. Either way I'm in the mines atm, I can settle stuff tonight though
1749658;1513029652;lobbes;mircea_popescu, deal!
1749659;1513029793;danielpbarron;whichever you want. i'm available in eulora right now
1749660;1513029816;danielpbarron;oh in the mines doesn't mean in game lol
1749661;1513029899;mircea_popescu;this discussion spurred me to realise that eg my 4k pile of high-quality coarse cordage is thereby worth like... 50mn ECu or so, nominally ? leaving how it would prolly sell for more than 100% (duh), that's likle... a toyota's worth of IMAGINARY coarse cordage ?
1749662;1513029910;mircea_popescu;im not even sure there exist that many shops which keep that much cordage around altogether.
1749663;1513029927;mircea_popescu;including any marina outfitter i ever saw. 8k dollars would be like what, a roomfull ?
1749664;1513029989;danielpbarron;by my math a 100 USD chetty stick would come out to 5mn quality. you have these??
1749665;1513029997;mircea_popescu;o it would ?
1749666;1513030020;mircea_popescu;lesee since i brought it up
1749667;1513030092;danielpbarron;i have several hundred 200k quality from before the split, which i guess are worth more than 3 USD a pop
1749668;1513030183;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i have 367k ones ; they were 36k and then the float happ[ened
1749669;1513030190;mircea_popescu;i guess i was off by a zero again ?
1749670;1513030258;mircea_popescu;bitcoin plays right into my peculiar form of mathslexia ; i am thoroughly and forever degree of magnitude confused.
1749671;1513030351;asciilifeform;oh hey the auction thing is interesting
1749672;1513030416;mircea_popescu;now if only we had a bitbet to lose our shit betting on what eventual price the shit ends up sold at...
1749673;1513030422;mircea_popescu;INFINITE POWER
1749674;1513030427;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: maybe at some point we auction prototype rng ( asciilifeform has a few , mircea_popescu also, and somebody else i think )
1749675;1513030430;asciilifeform;lol
1749676;1513030450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not selling mine ; but you can yes. tho prolly too soon.
1749677;1513030471;mircea_popescu;anyway. republican autarky progressing nicely / intensifies.
1749678;1513030490;asciilifeform;i have 2x a 'массово габаритный макет' if you will , of the FG pcb , also prolly auctionfodder candidate
1749679;1513030517;mircea_popescu;i propose in a decade or two we all retire and live off the auctioning of memorabilia.
1749680;1513030524;mircea_popescu;you know, exactly like the ww2 generation did.
1749681;1513030526;asciilifeform;loll
1749682;1513030583;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper
1749683;1513030584;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1749684;1513030587;fromloper;hello
1749685;1513030590;fromloper;asciilifeform, have you read this? http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/pdf/symbolics/I_Machine/
1749686;1513030597;fromloper;this seems to be Symbolics' internal docs for the Ivory. are they sufficient to develop a clone? I've tried to find previous discussions of this particular subset of docs in the logs but didn't find anything.
1749687;1513030605;asciilifeform;Framedragger: not only read, but have the dead tree
1749688;1513030611;asciilifeform;and nope, sadly nowhere near sufficient.
1749689;1513030651;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it just means in a different kind of game. a very sad one. like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSK7KWye0n0&feature=youtu.be
1749690;1513030651;fromloper;the macroinstruction set doc was actually published as a dead tree book?
1749691;1513030656;asciilifeform;fromloper: it is part of the reason why the snap* emulators don't properly work
1749692;1513030670;asciilifeform;fromloper: not published as such. but was in my docs pile next to the actual docs.
1749693;1513030709;asciilifeform;!#s ivory
1749694;1513030710;a111;90 results for "ivory", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ivory
1749695;1513030714;asciilifeform;fromloper ^ start here
1749696;1513030720;fromloper;I see. I was trying to reverse-engineer snap4 from the source code but postponed it due to lack of time.
1749697;1513030732;mircea_popescu;fromloper consider getting a name ?
1749698;1513030821;fromloper;I had a registered nickname on freenode a while ago, I'll try to remember the password
1749699;1513032617;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749644 << mod6 didja ever describe this ??
1749700;1513032617;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 21:56 mod6: <+asciilifeform> incidentally folx: each of you who considers himself 'graduate' of an ffa chapter, consider signing << fwiw, I have held back signing on ch1 since I can not still build it out of the box, successfully.
1749701;1513032650;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749651 << fwiw i test on 2016
1749702;1513032650;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 21:58 mod6: this was supposidly because im running 2015 adacore.  which i can buy.  but have had even less success with Adacore 2016 and 2017.  not to say that I won't get the incantaiton correct at somepoint, but for now, I can't build it successfully.
1749703;1513032652;mod6;ya. it's in the logs. i can dig it up if needed. but i believe my problem to be environmental and somehow to related to adacore.
1749704;1513032662;mod6;i'll keep workin on it.
1749705;1513032664;asciilifeform;i tested on both adacore and gnuist
1749706;1513032671;asciilifeform;( for bonus, also on crapple )
1749707;1513032700;mod6;sure. i'll im just looking for the correct way to set up an environment.
1749708;1513032901;mod6;s/i
1749709;1513032912;mod6;bah.  s/i'll//
1749710;1513032939;mod6;so it seems it may somehow be related to ben_vulpes's issue
1749711;1513032981;mod6;i'll keep digging in and report back
1749712;1513033334;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/medley/ << Trilema - Medley.
1749713;1513035234;ben_vulpes;https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/ryan-lizza-of-the-new-yorker-fired-for-improper-sexual-contact/2017/12/11/3d7da174-deb7-11e7-8679-a9728984779c_story.html << the vigorous contestations begin!
1749714;1513035526;asciilifeform;'He also unwittingly became caught up in the news in 2013 when he attempted to sign up for health insurance on HealthCare.gov, the then-new website for Obamacare. He described the experience in a series of tweets, noting at first that he was successful in setting up an account. But then he ran into problems in completing the sign up, mirroring the experience of millions of users, who faced glitches in the site’s earliest days. The
1749715;1513035527;asciilifeform;Obama White House tweeted out his earliest tweets, however, conveying the false impression that signing up was easy ...'
1749716;1513036504;mircea_popescu;the very notion of PROPER sexual contact.
1749717;1513036507;mircea_popescu;protege domine.
1749718;1513036569;mircea_popescu;[plebem tuam per signum sanctae crucis ab obnibus insidiis inimiucorum omnium]
1749719;1513040623;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1749720;1513040629;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16413.0, vol: 16683.29327574 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16643.95894003, vol: 78223.52808399 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16522.4, vol: 4555.0776512 | Volume-weighted last average: 16599.6518618
1749721;1513042845;mats;i keep seeing 'traumatic brain injury' in your statements, BingoBoingo
1749722;1513043754;mircea_popescu;so i re-watched la grande belezza for like the twelfth time. it's possibly the greatest film ever made. or maybe i'm just slow -- for instance, only now did it finally occur to me that the giulio moneta, "uno dei dieci latitanti piu ricercati del mondo" was in fact a straight reference to m m denaro.
1749723;1513044060;mircea_popescu;aaand here's a bit for trinque 's humanities studies : "Dies irae, dias illa solved saeculum in favilla teste David cum Sibylla ; quantus tremor est futurus quando Judex est venturus cuncta stricte discussurus!"
1749724;1513044978;lobbes;!!balance
1749725;1513044984;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/
1749726;1513044999;mircea_popescu;o.O
1749727;1513044999;trinque;hmwat
1749728;1513045002;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1749729;1513045006;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4MPLr/?raw=true
1749730;1513045010;lobbes;I wonder if this has to do with: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734399
1749731;1513045010;a111;Logged on 2017-11-08 21:13 lobbes: and yeah, I overlooked that I apparently had to also remove expiration on the sub -explicitly- (via gpg --edit-key). Even though it was showing the sub as 'expiration: none' after I had removed expiration on the pub way back when
1749732;1513045013;mircea_popescu;i guess his is shorter
1749733;1513045019;trinque;lol
1749734;1513045055;trinque;lobbes: oh yeah, that machine is quite likely to have your old key
1749735;1513045076;*;trinque will also look into what floppy lispism resulted in that URL
1749736;1513045103;lobbes;word. I'm in no real rush either way (and I think I only had around 0.001 on there)
1749737;1513045267;trinque;lobbes: give it another pull
1749738;1513045294;lobbes;!!balance
1749739;1513045298;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DEZG5/?raw=true
1749740;1513045302;lobbes;nice!
1749741;1513045348;lobbes;and confirmed: balance matches
1749742;1513045718;trinque;mircea_popescu: will put that in the study queue. something about visions of angry, loosened/secularized days, maybe? gotta cram more tenses into my skull.
1749743;1513045735;mircea_popescu;sibylla, yes ? and david ?
1749744;1513045794;mircea_popescu;it's like... a 900 year old text about cryptoconcerns.
1749745;1513045876;trinque;http://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Hymni/DiesIrae.html << neat, found full text
1749746;1513045922;mircea_popescu;the 1800s anglican englishversion is not bad, either.
1749747;1513046394;trinque;is the "illa" there not "they" or "those", as in referring to the subjects at end of the first line?
1749748;1513046430;trinque;can't tell if the translation is just macroexpanding "dies irae" with the "dreadful day" or if there's another "illa"
1749749;1513046455;mircea_popescu;macroexpanding
1749750;1513046468;trinque;could see the former, "look kid, your language takes saying it twice to understand irae"
1749751;1513046470;trinque;aha
1749752;1513046481;mircea_popescu;lol
1749753;1513046527;mircea_popescu;i suspect twice may be an understatement
1749754;1513046535;mircea_popescu;"nobody could have predicted", after all.
1749755;1513046863;mod6;asciilifeform: ok I got it working with gnat-2016.  somehow i had a corrupted install i believe. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AOIKx/?raw=true
1749756;1513049047;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj
1749757;1513049054;asciilifeform;congrats mod6
1749758;1513049228;asciilifeform;trinque: i've wondered for some time , is the thing where your walletron throws pgpciphered matter into the greater void, as in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749739 , without the addressee's name in the line -- deliberate design choice ?
1749759;1513049228;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 02:21 deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DEZG5/?raw=true
1749760;1513049233;asciilifeform;and if so -- why
1749761;1513049273;asciilifeform;often the link pops up hour or moar after the invocation, and i end up clicking, expecting traditional (i.e. plaintext) deedbot material
1749762;1513049576;mod6;<+asciilifeform> congrats mod6 << thanks for the blog posts!
1749763;1513049742;asciilifeform;yw mod6
1749764;1513050237;lobbes;!!invoice danielpbarron 0.00024 http://deedbot.org/deed-473777-3.txt
1749765;1513050242;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GOX2n/?raw=true
1749766;1513050273;lobbes;!!v C9851BC0DF6A2F6FB5A32CE817F6A8A8CC3205513F80DB14D8A5AE9C72F897E3
1749767;1513050277;deedbot;Invoiced danielpbarron 0.00024 << http://deedbot.org/deed-473777-3.txt
1749768;1513050361;mircea_popescu;!~calc  0.00024 * 17133.3184732
1749769;1513050362;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 0.00024 * 17133.3184732 = 4.111996433568001
1749770;1513050399;mircea_popescu;seems so improbable.
1749771;1513050689;danielpbarron;!!received-invoices
1749772;1513050693;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kN1AU/?raw=true
1749773;1513050845;danielpbarron;!!pay-invoice lobbes 1
1749774;1513050849;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yEGl4/?raw=true
1749775;1513051095;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: if you're talking about http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749036 my guess is that's a block inclusion receipt
1749776;1513051095;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 02:28 deedbot: hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zHdaA/?raw=true
1749777;1513051110;mircea_popescu;no, without a name
1749778;1513051146;ben_vulpes;the linked one is not one of those "hours later" instances tho
1749779;1513051194;mircea_popescu;yeah. possibly though rule to always put addressee name in line when sending encrypted matter may be useful nevertheless.
1749780;1513051218;ben_vulpes;well shit now someone has to build a gpg-gram adressee grepulator
1749781;1513051229;mircea_popescu;why ?
1749782;1513051233;mircea_popescu;he knows he's encrypting to x
1749783;1513051237;ben_vulpes;i kid, i kid
1749784;1513051247;mircea_popescu;your kids scare me.
1749785;1513051330;ben_vulpes;not scary yet, can't recognize more than 80% of the alphabet or get safeties off firearms
1749786;1513051345;mircea_popescu;lol
1749787;1513052401;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q2/danielpbarron_payment_receipt.txt
1749788;1513052529;mircea_popescu;aaand in other ancient trilemas, http://trilema.com/2009/de-mogulibus/
1749789;1513052538;mircea_popescu;at least at teh time, the definitive work on romania.
1749790;1513053795;trinque;lobbes: that is probably hung up in dns purgatory. my hop from namecheap to namesilo just took, and namesilo didn't slurp all the old records.
1749791;1513053822;mircea_popescu;pretty cool interface btw, wouldn't you say ?
1749792;1513053823;trinque;looks like deeds was the only thing that cared.
1749793;1513053843;trinque;yep, I approve so far. no bullshit, very straightforward.
1749794;1513053848;trinque;and can deposit btc
1749795;1513053868;mircea_popescu;yea.
1749796;1513053877;mircea_popescu;lol i think i deposited a btc back when it was a few hundy
1749797;1513054534;deedbot;accepted: 1
1749798;1513054815;mircea_popescu;lol
1749799;1513054916;trinque;queues queues everywhere
1749800;1513055106;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749758 << nope, though I dunno where you saw http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749761 happen
1749801;1513055106;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 03:27 asciilifeform: trinque: i've wondered for some time , is the thing where your walletron throws pgpciphered matter into the greater void, as in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749739 , without the addressee's name in the line -- deliberate design choice ?
1749802;1513055106;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 03:27 asciilifeform: often the link pops up hour or moar after the invocation, and i end up clicking, expecting traditional (i.e. plaintext) deedbot material
1749803;1513055115;trinque;there's no wallet op that takes an hour
1749804;1513055161;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Adeedbot+bundle << possible you're thinking of this.
1749805;1513055174;trinque;pops up when a deed bundle's tx is confirmed
1749806;1513055241;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749779 << but I don't oppose this, would be more convenient at no apparent cost.
1749807;1513055241;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 03:59 mircea_popescu: yeah. possibly though rule to always put addressee name in line when sending encrypted matter may be useful nevertheless.
1749808;1513055353;mircea_popescu;yee
1749809;1513058387;mircea_popescu;aaand in other basics for the learners of romanian, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vEiR6Rb92M
1749810;1513079383;BingoBoingo; i keep seeing 'traumatic brain injury' in your statements, BingoBoingo << Well, got anybetter short forms for "The Boingo ISP"?
1749811;1513081023;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1749812;1513081030;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16515.08, vol: 14391.09884846 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16616.0, vol: 64100.4744167 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16730.1, vol: 3598.77950646 | Volume-weighted last average: 16603.309971
1749813;1513082626;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1749814;1513082631;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1749815;1513082632;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 498897 | Current Difficulty: 1.590896927258E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 499967 | Next Difficulty In: 1070 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1749816;1513082636;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16634.0, vol: 14446.13842017 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16760.0, vol: 64436.5160404 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16664.1, vol: 3618.62275037 | Volume-weighted last average: 16733.7308386
1749817;1513093361;asciilifeform;meanwhile in pinoy spamola, http://peltebesining.tk/giwe/asic-bitcoin-miner-schematic-1634.php << image-embeds asciilifeform's lispm keyboard schematic as 'asic miner' . bonus : if loaded via archive.is, gives entirely ~different~ spamola, prolly based on ip block
1749818;1513093401;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1749819;1513093410;mircea_popescu;ok this is fucking epic
1749820;1513093455;mircea_popescu;it redirected me to some kind of "option trading" scamsite.
1749821;1513093467;asciilifeform;www.loper-os.org/pub/spamola.jpg << for posterity.
1749822;1513093474;asciilifeform;^ screenshit
1749823;1513093490;asciilifeform;bottom ~half~ of the white box is the item.
1749824;1513093501;asciilifeform;why htmlembedded, not copied -- is anyone's guess.
1749825;1513093534;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/67Lt4/?raw=true << mine
1749826;1513093548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bw $$$. they're very sensitive to it, best way to hurt them.
1749827;1513093577;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your snapshot is ~= what archive.is gets .
1749828;1513093587;asciilifeform;they prolly have 2 buckets, 'ameritards' and 'other'
1749829;1513093594;mircea_popescu;o wow check it out, this was pretty advanced (class names randomgenerated strings to fool google etc)
1749830;1513093611;asciilifeform;aha, as far as these go.
1749831;1513093625;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform contains eg 
1749832;1513093635;asciilifeform;yea subj
1749833;1513093656;asciilifeform;i suspect these get sucked out of google's image finder thing automagically
1749834;1513093663;mircea_popescu;so basically your blog is a subdomain on nfshost.com is why no ip addressing ?
1749835;1513093680;asciilifeform;if only that
1749836;1513093733;asciilifeform;( the actual domain loads the thing. the nfs domain also loads. but each gets different ip ~every hour , they have in-house 1990s-era homebrew crapflare item )
1749837;1513093746;asciilifeform;could've sworn i described it here
1749838;1513093749;mircea_popescu;wtf nonsense dns do these people use ? dig doesn't produce an ip ?!
1749839;1513093777;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nuts.
1749840;1513093783;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720008 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726101 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726112 , possibly elsewhere.
1749841;1513093783;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 03:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979 << gotta appreciate this peculiar fact : asciilifeform used nfs co. service since 2007. not misprint : a decade sharp as of a few mo. ago. with ZERO MAINTENANCE and ZERO hassle and ~zero downtime and laughed at GB/s ddoses and do i have to go on ?
1749842;1513093783;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 14:20 asciilifeform: and neither of these is a bug, or will ever be fixed, nfs co’s. ddosproofing relies on the dynamic ip shenanigans
1749843;1513093783;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 14:58 asciilifeform: ( the sad thing re nfs co, is that it is in fact a kolhoz, quite like amazon's and the rest, but more ancient and built by actual men, vs 'millenial' scum, and so it actually ~works~, and delivers on the promise -- you don't own your hdd, BUT you never have to go down from a dead hdd; you own no ip; BUT no ddos; etc. it however IS STILL A KOLHOZ , with the complacency and inevitable day of doom that comes with this. )
1749844;1513093799;mod6;mornin'
1749845;1513093802;mircea_popescu;heya
1749846;1513093804;asciilifeform;ohai mod6
1749847;1513093812;*;mod6 waves
1749848;1513093830;asciilifeform;iirc somebody here recently also subscribed to nfsco
1749849;1513093833;asciilifeform;( hanbot ? )
1749850;1513093833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems very likely google images automated banditry.
1749851;1513093839;mircea_popescu;yeah, thewhet's there now
1749852;1513093872;asciilifeform;turns out, it knows how to eat btc, for a few yrs nao
1749853;1513093894;mircea_popescu;yeh that was part of it.
1749854;1513094106;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-ecu/ << Trilema - The ECu
1749855;1513094285;ben_vulpes;and in today's pretentions to relevance: https://www.sec.gov/news/public-statement/statement-clayton-2017-12-11
1749856;1513094315;*;mircea_popescu is not clicking
1749857;1513094323;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not missing anyffing
1749858;1513094324;mircea_popescu;which, amusingly, is less than rando spammer above managed.
1749859;1513094326;asciilifeform;it's a snore
1749860;1513094335;asciilifeform;the pinoy earlier muchly moarinteresting
1749861;1513094348;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu forgoing the opportunity to cane the sec? will wonders never cease!
1749862;1513094370;ben_vulpes;they even talk about never having vetted 'crypto-' related securities!
1749863;1513094376;ben_vulpes;no exchange traded anything!
1749864;1513094398;mircea_popescu;eh...
1749865;1513094601;*;asciilifeform found the pinoy on a few other domains, there's a whole system
1749866;1513094618;mircea_popescu;im sure.
1749867;1513094638;mircea_popescu;gotta replace teh viagra spam with something.
1749868;1513094851;asciilifeform;meanwhile in 'The Internet of the Future' ( as pictured in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 ) noose : https://www.meo.pt/internet/internet-movel/telemovel/pacotes-com-telemovel << and also it lies to archive.is , so screenshit : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/plebenet.jpg
1749869;1513094888;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1749870;1513094921;mircea_popescu;four euro/month ?! srsly ?!
1749871;1513095071;asciilifeform;meanwhile, https://archive.is/uL4b5 << usg burns yet another of $infinity ssl decrypt methods, to push 'Disable RSA encryption!'
1749872;1513095106;asciilifeform;( not, naturally, because it matters worth a shit what pseudocipher plebe uses in sslolade. but to fudspray on rsa per se. )
1749873;1513095216;asciilifeform;^ uses the 20y.o. nonconstanttimersa privkeyraper. which worx great still.
1749874;1513095277;asciilifeform;^ and oblig hanno boeck.
1749875;1513096367;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749788 << this is a pretty interesting item, and i suspect a very similar problem in what'll remain of usa.
1749876;1513096367;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 04:22 mircea_popescu: aaand in other ancient trilemas, http://trilema.com/2009/de-mogulibus/
1749877;1513098712;asciilifeform;but meanwhile-er, in not-at-all-noose, asciilifeform briefly looked into the question of what-would-it-take to make a pci-e FG . found ( e.g. https://archive.is/dGtBI and elsewhere, for the curious ) that it is quite impossible to do with lattice 'ice' or any other small fpga; the complexity is bookcase-length ( supposing one could even ~get~ the req'd docs, many are not only payware but protected via disinfo-flooding )
1749878;1513098791;asciilifeform;i specifically exclude devices like xilinx and altera series with ~built-in~ pcie -- these are not, properly speaking, fpga
1749879;1513098832;asciilifeform;( you wouldn't call an 'implementation' of e.g. ppc cpu that simply uses xilinx 'virtex' series' built-in ppc core, an implementation. apply same rule to pci.)
1749880;1513098872;asciilifeform;ftr supposed 'fpga' with built-in periphs are simply proprietary gluetraps.
1749881;1513098883;asciilifeform;any and all built-in periphs.
1749882;1513099556;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701433 and possibly elsewhere. )
1749883;1513099556;a111;Logged on 2017-08-21 12:00 asciilifeform: 1 level below, x86/arm/pci,sata,usb, etc play same role as unix and microshit -- accumulated layer of sewage
1749884;1513099567;BingoBoingo;En otra cosas: A meeting scheduled for tomorrow morning y entonces the venezualas have referred another firm, meeting to be scheduled
1749885;1513099787;asciilifeform;ohai BingoBoingo
1749886;1513099802;BingoBoingo;Hola asciilifeform
1749887;1513101077;asciilifeform;how go the adventures of BingoBoingo under the southern cross ?
1749888;1513101135;BingoBoingo;So far so fun. Gradually shifting from cold contacting to contacting the referred. The weather is still unbeatable, and the Brazilian stoners have departed.
1749889;1513101157;BingoBoingo;The hostel is far emptier, may start filling up again later in the week.
1749890;1513101272;BingoBoingo;Also, the local accent is beginning to break into discrete works as opposed to noise. The epic 2.5-3 hour AA meetings here have been an invaluable opportunity to listen to a variety of local speakers one at a time.
1749891;1513101474;BingoBoingo;La Tienda Inglesia, wonderful source of food. Local fereterias... dismal affairs.
1749892;1513101519;asciilifeform;what's an orc aa meeting typically like ?
1749893;1513101632;BingoBoingo;Well, they keep the opening ceremonies short, there are no time limits on speaking, and the meeting ends when everyone who wanted to speaks. Other than the lack of time pressure much more the same than different.
1749894;1513101658;asciilifeform;this dun tell me anything
1749895;1513101662;asciilifeform;i was asking re subj
1749896;1513101671;asciilifeform;what do they speak about
1749897;1513101676;BingoBoingo;Also like back home they celebrate sober birthdays with various treats. So far there have been delicious brownies and giant chocolates
1749898;1513101735;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mostly the same things. Family, work, trudging the walk that is life, the programs, etc
1749899;1513101800;BingoBoingo;The meeting I have been frequenting occurs in giant catholic church, Dracaena trees outside
1749900;1513106116;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-498948.txt
1749901;1513108146;ben_vulpes;"don't keep your files /with/ you, keep your files /in/ you!" https://www.etsy.com/listing/267826934/mature-usb-micro-sd-card-reader-butt
1749902;1513108210;asciilifeform;!#s arse safe
1749903;1513108211;a111;4 results for "arse safe", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=arse%20safe
1749904;1513108628;mod6;lol "plug and play"
1749905;1513108922;shinohai;Custom orders also available.
1749906;1513111153;asciilifeform;!!up nocko
1749907;1513111154;deedbot;nocko voiced for 30 minutes.
1749908;1513112024;danielpbarron;!~later tell trinque what's the eta on deedbot withdraw?
1749909;1513112025;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1749910;1513113593;trinque;danielpbarron: hm, didn't get a printout. possibly that didn't come back up on the new drive.
1749911;1513113636;*;trinque will run it within the hour
1749912;1513113690;trinque;heh, cups was not set to start at boot, and the box's uptime was so long I never noticed
1749913;1513115338;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0BSH9/?raw=true << meanwhile check out the worm-hydra chatting up one of my nodes
1749914;1513115384;danielpbarron;i've been getting that too for the last day or so
1749915;1513117042;deedbot;danielpbarron: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ra1Ju/?raw=true
1749916;1513118279;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749913 << aha typical. ( looks like trinque uses malleus ? )
1749917;1513118279;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 21:48 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0BSH9/?raw=true << meanwhile check out the worm-hydra chatting up one of my nodes
1749918;1513118365;trinque;yep, trb node with the mighty banhammer vpatch
1749919;1513118435;mod6;boom
1749920;1513120395;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749875 << i imagined you'll enjoy. possibly also teh original to some reference in latest, http://trilema.com/2010/cum-am-ras-astazi/
1749921;1513120395;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 16:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749788 << this is a pretty interesting item, and i suspect a very similar problem in what'll remain of usa.
1749922;1513120516;asciilifeform;loox like post-sov-style privatizationvoucher neh
1749923;1513120534;asciilifeform;i suppose this story went the same way ?
1749924;1513120549;mircea_popescu;a, not at all. those existed, in the 90s.
1749925;1513120568;mircea_popescu;this is straight "living wage"-ism deployed by old marginal ro orc politruk trying to get back on horse.
1749926;1513120579;asciilifeform;aaaa i recall this was mentioned
1749927;1513120580;mircea_popescu;just in case victoria nuland needs something to pick.
1749928;1513120641;mircea_popescu;HOW exactly they do this is incomprehensible. but consider : guy who was 3rd echelon politruk under shoemaker ; guy who was too dumb / poorly connected to make anything of the 90s, resurfaces in 2010! with a "proposal" which consists of "here's this adaptation of usg-isms as i understand them".
1749929;1513120654;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-28#1387591 << see also q
1749930;1513120654;a111;Logged on 2016-01-28 12:46 asciilifeform: i do wonder, do the 'basic income' folks simply not understand the hierarchical role of money? or think that it can be magicked away? or do not, but lie about it ?
1749931;1513120655;mircea_popescu;very ethnologically interesting, but WHAT the fuck makes the orcs produce these ?
1749932;1513120674;mircea_popescu;it's a very similar disbelief to the "what the fuck makes epitelial cells admit ringworm?!?!?!"
1749933;1513120746;mircea_popescu;ie, we imagine "ringworm is a thing", independent and of itself, rather than correctly understanding "ringworm is the PRODUCT of epitelium cells, it is the long whisp remaining out of specific denials", VERY much a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697164 item.
1749934;1513120746;a111;Logged on 2017-08-11 18:37 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
1749935;1513120792;asciilifeform;recall phage thread
1749936;1513120819;mircea_popescu;similarily, we imagine the usg is a thing, independent and of itself, rather than correctly understanding "usg is the PRODUCT of what the orcs will believe, very much in the http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/ sense ; usg is what's left after all the items impossible as far as orcs are concerned were removed ; much like byzantium was "what's left after we eliminated everything the bulgarians wouldn't buy".
1749937;1513120836;asciilifeform;( renewed interest in phages, since '90s, because -- quite unlike synthetic antibacterial -- no meaningful resistance, the cat and mouse have been fighting for million+ yr )
1749938;1513120846;mircea_popescu;aha.
1749939;1513120856;mircea_popescu;more meaningful than mn+ years : bn+ generations.
1749940;1513120863;mircea_popescu;there will never be a bn generations of humans.
1749941;1513120863;asciilifeform;aha
1749942;1513120926;asciilifeform;tho one could posit that single generation of whatever organism 'counts' moar post-1945. prior, most mutation was afaik accounted for by k40
1749943;1513120930;asciilifeform;which is not so abundant
1749944;1513120947;asciilifeform;( and not, contrary to schoolboy notion, 'cosmic ray', very little cosmic ray reaches surface )
1749945;1513120965;asciilifeform;but iirc we had this thread.
1749946;1513120973;mircea_popescu;anyway, i had no fucking idea, back in 2010, what a big deal a random photograph of mailboix spam will become in not even a decade. but it IS a huge deal. consider -- that guy, who IS NOT the proponent, WROTE!!! by hand!!! ie just like http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ !! so as to stuff my mailbox with xerocopies.
1749947;1513120987;mircea_popescu;why ? why would a dude too dumb to distinguish facebook from the internet do this ?
1749948;1513121000;asciilifeform;gotta wonder why by hand. 'luxor centre' charged a funbux too much ?
1749949;1513121015;mircea_popescu;i doubt it's that. i suspect orc simply did not know what this wordprocessor thing is.
1749950;1513121033;mircea_popescu;he had a xerox in his mental space because readily available and cheap (lotta students live nearby) ; but not a wp.
1749951;1513121043;asciilifeform;but compared with current wordprocessor folx, betcha d00d knew some elementary grammar, say.
1749952;1513121054;mircea_popescu;he evidently didn't need a spellchecker.
1749953;1513121064;*;mircea_popescu looks over it again lesseew
1749954;1513121145;asciilifeform;reminds me, when su was a going concern, 'классическое образование' usually referred to pre-1917 gymnasium, latin, greek, etc. but apparently ~today~ folx on ru net refer to su-era school as classical.
1749955;1513121172;asciilifeform;because ~same level of sinkage towards africa.
1749956;1513121195;asciilifeform;next stop -- africa proper.
1749957;1513121195;mircea_popescu;Dragi concetateni, Dupa cum stiti OTV-ul are campanie de culegere de semnaturi in sprijinul legii Cojocaru in cadrul emisiunii lui Tudor Barbu : "Se intimpla acum". Am pornit din proprie initiativa o mica campanie pe Bd. Gh. Lazar pentru ca sunt blocuri turn cu multe familii pe scara desi [...]
1749958;1513121206;mircea_popescu;it's clean romanian and well composed. also shockingly honest.
1749959;1513121214;asciilifeform;because actual person.
1749960;1513121219;mircea_popescu;likely, yes.
1749961;1513121235;asciilifeform;and so i won't laugh at him simply because he eschewed buying a comp.
1749962;1513121236;mircea_popescu;well, certainly in a way no redditard/hackernewstard/etc could ever be suspected.
1749963;1513121241;asciilifeform;real person. and they dun make'em nomoar.
1749964;1513121263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am laughing at him because of many other things ; included among them that he DIDNT eschew buying comp, simply did not understand what it was.
1749965;1513121280;mircea_popescu;i eschew buying fucking apple laptop. he eschews nothing.
1749966;1513121326;asciilifeform;i imagine 1 simple litmus would be to learn whether d00d in the end did buy a crapple.
1749967;1513121382;mircea_popescu;well, litmi as the researcher decides. but to my eyes, the simple fact that he imagines this is how democracy works as a statal matter ("dragi concetateni" is "beloved fellow citizens", ie smacking very much of "les trois glorieuses", not that he'd know) is enough.
1749968;1513121414;mircea_popescu;this EXACT fellow, living in 2010, was in fact satirized in... 1880! by caragiale.
1749969;1513121425;*;asciilifeform recalls the trilema re subj
1749970;1513121444;mircea_popescu;you might greatly enjoy conu leonida fata cu reactiunea btw, ever read that one ?
1749971;1513121452;asciilifeform;dun think so
1749972;1513121526;mircea_popescu;the winner part for this discussion being "EFIMIȚA: Dacă n-o mai plăti niminea bir, soro, de unde or să aibă cetățenii leafă?
1749973;1513121526;mircea_popescu;LEONIDA (în luptă cu somnul): Treaba statului, domnule, el ce grije are? pentru ce-l avem pe el? e datoria lui să-ngrijească să aibă oamenii lefurile la vreme..."
1749974;1513121541;mircea_popescu;https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/Conu_Leonida_fa%C8%9B%C4%83_cu_reac%C8%9Biunea < whole thing
1749975;1513121575;*;asciilifeform puts in pipe.
1749976;1513121618;mircea_popescu;(dude's idea of the progressive republic that the reactionary evil men don't let good folk build is a state where it's illegal to pay your debts. his wife inquires whence will people be paid [because evidently everyone's employed by the state, it is after all 1880s romania], and he says that's the state's fucking problem, what's it for!)
1749977;1513121647;asciilifeform;iirc hanbot alluded to this item in 'shall be delivered'
1749978;1513121648;mircea_popescu;this understanding is judicious : unless "the state" manages to get dosh out of india or whatever the fuck to pay living wages for people at home to be "british citizens" there ain't gonna be no fucken empire!
1749979;1513121741;mircea_popescu;so to get back to mr crisan quoted above : the reason he isn't sitting atop a computer/car/hairblower/starbucks coffee cup is that he doesn't yet understand HOW such item would forward / is requisite for his notion of "a republic" == usgstan. because that is ABSOLUTELY ALL he is interested in, and will give no half a spare cycle to any other consideration, period and fuck you.
1749980;1513121767;mircea_popescu;the dedication of the imperial peons is remarkable, worthy of a greater goal as it may find itself.
1749981;1513121803;asciilifeform;'just want'
1749982;1513121852;mircea_popescu;but i am convinced that strictly, very and absolutely strictly the only reason why mr adrian crisan is spending his afternoon writing up that and then xeroxing it in preference of say "editing wikipedia" or "working for google" as a "moderator" is that he does not perceive how the later would deliver him more usg empire per unit effort than the former.
1749983;1513121864;mircea_popescu;so he's not eschewing anything, he's just as pantsuit as the pantsuited hilarity herself.
1749984;1513121874;mircea_popescu;just, he was born orc and she was born east coast hottie.
1749985;1513121879;asciilifeform;( possibly interesting that the ancients knew about the sin of 'just wanting', and hence fables about wish-granting sessions Gone Horridly Wrong etc )
1749986;1513121949;mircea_popescu;it's not altogether clear to me that he wants anything for himself,
1749987;1513121966;mircea_popescu;above and besides the "worker's paradise" as described in badly penned fiction of the recently literate cca 1910s.
1749988;1513122005;asciilifeform;orc wants whichever paradise he conceives his orcistan as having been derailed from
1749989;1513122044;asciilifeform;i dun see the 'life was so inconceivably sweet before the fr rev' d00d as so different.
1749990;1513122050;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1749991;1513122070;mircea_popescu;i suspect actual item orc wants is a land where there's no smart people.
1749992;1513122079;mircea_popescu;in the very strict sense of "anyone whose name you'd see in schoolbooks"
1749993;1513122094;asciilifeform;no 'carnivorous' smartpeople, at any rate
1749994;1513122103;mircea_popescu;he doesn't specifically care if it's 1500s german peasant life, ie, outright medieval peonage. just as long.
1749995;1513122122;mircea_popescu;yeah, no offensive jews, as discussed in the http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/
1749996;1513122128;mircea_popescu;none of those "better than you" folk.
1749997;1513122166;mircea_popescu;right, that's it. he just dun want to there be any jews. clearly unites nazi antisemitism with soviet antisemitism with etcetera. socialism, ie, dear lord protect us dumbasses from our betters.
1749998;1513122188;mircea_popescu;"that's the state's job, man, to make sure!" ie, exact empire.
1749999;1513122192;asciilifeform;this is mircea_popescu's passive-and-active article all over again, neh.
1750000;1513122199;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1750001;1513122235;mircea_popescu;well this was a productive discussion!
1750002;1513122327;asciilifeform;speaking of passive actives, asciilifeform found that FG runs ok ( it wants just 8mA @ 5v, recall ) from a https://archive.is/P9vC1 contrievance . a la 1990s serial mice. this seems useless until you look inside server and notice the convenient two rs232 headers in there.
1750003;1513122385;asciilifeform;and incidentally i oughta ask the folx tuned in, whether there is demand for mass-produced mounting kit for FG-in-1U , that'd include this item + mechanical dildo for hanging from a pci slot bracket.
1750004;1513122411;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, in other productive discussions that never were, i expect NOT A SINGLE ONE of the various "experts" in their own mind, economists, political theorists, whatnot will actually engage http://trilema.com/2017/the-ecu/ ; much like buffett "couldn't find shorts" back in the days of http://trilema.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era-starts-today/ and just as http://trilema.com/2015/the-harry-potter-challenge/ never happe
1750005;1513122412;mircea_popescu;ned for that yudkowsky character and just as so following.
1750006;1513122430;mircea_popescu;(speaking of which -- bitcoin DID overperform Berkshire over the interval. by... somewhat of a margin.)
1750007;1513122470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: their strategy is http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 solidly today as in 2014.
1750008;1513122470;a111;Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1750009;1513122471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun know yet, gotta see what BingoBoingo comes up with.
1750010;1513122478;mircea_popescu;conceivably might sacrifice an u per rack to fgs ?
1750011;1513122491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bad idea, you ~really~ dun want external cabling to these.
1750012;1513122497;mircea_popescu;ah right.
1750013;1513122502;mircea_popescu;antennaing
1750014;1513122518;mircea_popescu;anywya, this matter to remain open.
1750015;1513122525;asciilifeform;not only radiates. but makes life far too easy for the 'control vertical and horizontal' busybodies.
1750016;1513122538;mircea_popescu;as to the above : these are marginal schmucks! their only chance to matter is to go be meaningful in faraway lands.
1750017;1513122553;asciilifeform;mine are going into the boxes proper. q is whether it is worth turning into a catalogue item.
1750018;1513122639;mircea_popescu;in other sads, fetlife profile now getting >100 pieces of mail a day. da fuck am i gonna do, assign slave to manage it ?
1750019;1513122651;asciilifeform;lol they unkickbanned it ?!
1750020;1513122658;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1750021;1513122661;mircea_popescu;ah, different one. doh.
1750022;1513122663;asciilifeform;aaa
1750023;1513122665;mircea_popescu;"banning". you know.
1750024;1513122679;asciilifeform;for a sec i thought they did a formal surrender.
1750025;1513122700;mircea_popescu;pretty sure i'd have said something.
1750026;1513122780;mircea_popescu;anyway, turns out the under-30 female crowd is nuts about baby turtles
1750027;1513122785;mircea_popescu;who could have predicted, totally nao.
1750028;1513122864;asciilifeform;ye olde lolcatz obsolete or wut
1750029;1513122870;mircea_popescu;apparently.
1750030;1513122874;asciilifeform;nuts.
1750031;1513122903;mircea_popescu;anyway, "AI" consisting of hello-and-1-response is seeing > 50% success rate. can you imagine this ?
1750032;1513122929;mircea_popescu;even fucking eliza had a) less success and b) more preloads.
1750033;1513122929;asciilifeform;on which end this ai ?
1750034;1513122944;mircea_popescu;talk about http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749955
1750035;1513122944;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 23:26 asciilifeform: because ~same level of sinkage towards africa.
1750036;1513122945;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's ? or the females-with-turtles-emulator-service
1750037;1513122985;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just a simple "hello how goes it ?" ??? | grep for a "how about you" if found feed a "great, here's turtles". works shockingly well.
1750038;1513123032;mircea_popescu;in fact, it works so well i expect even idiocy a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749817 delivers. the quality of the chumps is so fucken low...
1750039;1513123032;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 15:42 asciilifeform: meanwhile in pinoy spamola, http://peltebesining.tk/giwe/asic-bitcoin-miner-schematic-1634.php << image-embeds asciilifeform's lispm keyboard schematic as 'asic miner' . bonus : if loaded via archive.is, gives entirely ~different~ spamola, prolly based on ip block
1750040;1513123086;asciilifeform;i'm still not convinced that spamism is anything but 'fat-powered' item . likely, the chumpers dun have a hundy between them, collectively
1750041;1513123100;mircea_popescu;<30yo females don't need a hundy.
1750042;1513123117;asciilifeform;also not convinced that any flesh-and-blood females ever go near 'dating site'
1750043;1513123131;mircea_popescu;fetlife apparently exception.
1750044;1513123151;asciilifeform;interesting.
1750045;1513123157;*;asciilifeform wholly unequipped to even guess as to why.
1750046;1513123160;mircea_popescu;it's what they do 10-20 years before beaching over on okcupid, as best as my xenomorph psychology studies dept can explain
1750047;1513123174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because youth is fundamentally transgressive as part of what it even fucking means.
1750048;1513123189;asciilifeform;thing's about as transgressive as joining komsomol.
1750049;1513123190;mircea_popescu;1980s teens gotta be "that chick from that mtv video "crazy"".
1750050;1513123197;mircea_popescu;and 2010s chicks gotta be on fetlife, apparently.
1750051;1513123206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand how the cuntbrain works.
1750052;1513123210;asciilifeform;apparentlynot
1750053;1513123228;mircea_popescu;it'd better not fucking BE transgressive. it has to just be transgressive, geddit ?
1750054;1513123245;asciilifeform;transgressive(tm)(r) eh.
1750055;1513123268;asciilifeform;'learn 21 daring sex positions in 21 days'-sort
1750056;1513123301;mircea_popescu;suppose you're 16yo girl. are you going to a) tell your mom you hate her, which is transgressive except for how she read you were gonna do that in a book when you were 6 ; or b) join isis so as to shoot your classmate in the face by the time you're both 24 ?
1750057;1513123364;mircea_popescu;"she was a (((journalist))) (((working))) in irak, the dumb fucking bitch. man that wet thud of her brain on concrete was fucking satisfying, i went back into the foxhole and rubbed myself raw"
1750058;1513123366;asciilifeform;my understanding is that even the isis candidates do it to get fucked well
1750059;1513123376;mircea_popescu;mebbe
1750060;1513123391;mircea_popescu;but it sure is ~actually~ transgressive, as opposed to expectedly.
1750061;1513123409;asciilifeform;can count ~these~ on fingers of 1 hand.
1750062;1513123413;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1750063;1513123451;asciilifeform;( as in, chix went to break heads on own power, with 0 prompting )
1750064;1513123462;mircea_popescu;incidentally, speaking of orc techs, could oyu believe that schmuck in new york ? so... in preference of walking into gun shop, buying gun, killing half the town, this dude "made" bomb, which sure as fuck cost more than a walk-in in terms of effort and more than a grand in terms of dough, to... burn himself with it.
1750065;1513123503;mircea_popescu;"i can scarcely apprehend the confusion of ideas" etc.
1750066;1513123518;asciilifeform;approx as lame as most of the small arms people , who (with a few notable exceptions ) manage to put entire crate of ammo to waste and maybe injure 4 or 5
1750067;1513123538;mircea_popescu;i can't conceive how this'd happen in times square
1750068;1513123551;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : buy AP ammo, kill 4-5 per shot. op is a thing.)
1750069;1513123570;asciilifeform;phunphakt, it's the cheaper type in usa
1750070;1513123574;mircea_popescu;aha!
1750071;1513123595;asciilifeform;fmj 7,62 is what folx practice with
1750072;1513123617;mircea_popescu;but seriously, metro! think about it, people line up to get in! and line up de facto once in! for like a quarter mile, like this! fire six bullets in enfilade, produce 50 dead and 500 wounded.
1750073;1513123689;asciilifeform;1 type of idjit copies hollywood shootout, wastes crate of ammo, kill 0-dozen . other type of idjit copies camelfuckollywood, builds pipe bomb etc , kills ~0
1750074;1513123697;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1750075;1513123706;asciilifeform;both fundamentally same thing, however. mindless copy.
1750076;1513123714;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the fucking fun that could be had. "buy gun, carry on person, use metro all day long, wait for a power outage where train goes dark"
1750077;1513123759;mircea_popescu;or... wait for train to almost pull in, shoot, keep mental bets between your multiple personalities as to whether falling into pit from pressure of squirming mob will do more damage than gunfire./
1750078;1513123782;asciilifeform;one could easily fill a thick book with these. ( in 1970s someone ~did~, but usg unhappened it and composed 'anarchist cookbook' full of items optimized to kill user )
1750079;1513123810;mircea_popescu;anarchist jargon file of the elders of sinai hospital!
1750080;1513123815;asciilifeform;lol
1750081;1513123844;asciilifeform;incidentally afaik in every major arson fire, stampede killed moar than smoke/flame
1750082;1513123849;mircea_popescu;yup.
1750083;1513123854;mircea_popescu;unavoidable.
1750084;1513123860;asciilifeform;the derps can't wait to do ~themselves~ in.
1750085;1513123865;mircea_popescu;which is why yelling fire more dangerous than setting fire.
1750086;1513124049;asciilifeform;the rub is that typical 'postalist' is not a thinking agent, on a mission, but a d00d watching a sort of movie inside his head
1750087;1513124059;asciilifeform;even the 'slow and patient' vegas fella recently.
1750088;1513124060;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1750089;1513124066;mircea_popescu;oh, that one especially.
1750090;1513124091;asciilifeform;arguably 'had fun' but from a 'mission' perspective -- atrocious
1750091;1513124099;mircea_popescu;it is a sad comment on the general utility and efficacity of "the state" that had the officious intermeddler "security guard" not intervened, dood probably would have watched the whole concert off his fence.
1750092;1513124113;mircea_popescu;makes one wonder how many of these weren't disturbed by "security", never shot anyone.
1750093;1513124141;asciilifeform;quite a few barrels in usa. most never speak.
1750094;1513124149;asciilifeform;sit , instead, in a cellar, rust.
1750095;1513124150;mircea_popescu;(also amusingly, nobody, not even a latter day tsp, dared make the obvious point -- moral assassin, the hotel guard.)
1750096;1513124902;mircea_popescu;!~google 1986 miami shootout
1750097;1513124903;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1986 FBI Miami shootout - Wikipedia: ; The 1986 Miami Shootout : The gunfight that changed law ...: ; 1986 Miami FBI Shoot Out - YouTube: 
1750098;1513124939;mircea_popescu;there's a list of cases where "attacked party produced more damage to attacker than sustained self". it's remarkably short, and it's remarkably tapering -- much more cases in the 80s than in the 2010s.
1750099;1513125061;asciilifeform;if folx were going for actual efficacy, they'd be arming themselves with petrol-in-pressurewasher, or at the most high tech -- gasses.
1750100;1513125074;asciilifeform;but nope. they are watching mental movie.
1750101;1513125075;mircea_popescu;not really. problem with those is no range.
1750102;1513125087;mircea_popescu;!#s die tired
1750103;1513125088;a111;6 results for "die tired", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=die%20tired
1750104;1513125110;asciilifeform;not as if most of the shooters made use of max rifle distance.
1750105;1513125125;mircea_popescu;sure.
1750106;1513125128;asciilifeform;they've worked, typically, at musketry range.
1750107;1513125268;asciilifeform;fire truck with petrol could cremate, theoretically, whole streets.
1750108;1513125294;mircea_popescu;yes well. flamethrower effectual when enemy pinned down, such as in bunker, pillbox or clearing trenches.
1750109;1513125309;asciilifeform;what's urban man if not pinned.
1750110;1513125330;ben_vulpes;paging sergeant shaftoe!
1750111;1513125330;asciilifeform;and what's a e.g. block of flats, if not awkward kind of pillbox.
1750112;1513125342;mircea_popescu;the WTC made that point quite well.
1750113;1513125388;asciilifeform;aaha
1750114;1513125749;pete_dushenski;hola!
1750115;1513125784;mircea_popescu;how goes
1750116;1513125817;pete_dushenski;pretty swell, yourself ?
1750117;1513125870;mircea_popescu;lol.
1750118;1513125873;mircea_popescu;as per teh logs...
1750119;1513125909;*;pete_dushenski catches up
1750120;1513126020;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749327 << BingoBoingo not sure i properly congratulated you on pulling the chute! digging the reportage thus far.
1750121;1513126020;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 13:20 deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/11/el-primero-domingo-en-montevideo-for-the-midwestern-rube/ << Bingo Blog - El Primero Domingo En Montevideo For The Midwestern Rube
1750122;1513126029;BingoBoingo; mine are going into the boxes proper. q is whether it is worth turning into a catalogue item. << I see it hard to imagine how people could want to vacation here without such a contrivance in the box they leave behind to colocate
1750123;1513126212;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749871 << https as entirely worthless as ever ; though evidently i don't expect smartypants a la eg http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-123821 to perceive THEIR DUTY to now mourn / worship in compensation.
1750124;1513126212;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 16:11 asciilifeform: meanwhile, https://archive.is/uL4b5 << usg burns yet another of $infinity ssl decrypt methods, to push 'Disable RSA encryption!'
1750125;1513126268;mircea_popescu;they only perceive their duty to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749979 ie push the empire ; their percived duty never is to personally change so as to fit the republic
1750126;1513126268;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 23:35 mircea_popescu: so to get back to mr crisan quoted above : the reason he isn't sitting atop a computer/car/hairblower/starbucks coffee cup is that he doesn't yet understand HOW such item would forward / is requisite for his notion of "a republic" == usgstan. because that is ABSOLUTELY ALL he is interested in, and will give no half a spare cycle to any other consideration, period and fuck you.
1750127;1513126294;asciilifeform;linked largely for the 'so you think constanttime is optional' lulz.
1750128;1513126307;mircea_popescu;i suppose this reduces the discussion to "there's two kinds of bipedals, the monkey and the human. the monkey dedicates itself to building wail groups, and the human to not needing to."
1750129;1513126383;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, lol@terrorist tree in jail.
1750130;1513126538;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749890 << this is actually so clever i think ima add it to the standard mp ops manual.
1750131;1513126538;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 17:54 BingoBoingo: Also, the local accent is beginning to break into discrete works as opposed to noise. The epic 2.5-3 hour AA meetings here have been an invaluable opportunity to listen to a variety of local speakers one at a time.
1750132;1513126650;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749901 << considering i made ~the item artisanally... o hey check that out, anally!
1750133;1513126650;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 19:49 ben_vulpes: "don't keep your files /with/ you, keep your files /in/ you!" https://www.etsy.com/listing/267826934/mature-usb-micro-sd-card-reader-butt
1750134;1513126654;mircea_popescu;anyway, i expect there's a market.
1750135;1513126674;asciilifeform;'Kraft knew a lot more than I did about wines, and he often brought home cobwebby treasures to go with a meal. But, even though Kraft always had a filled glass before him when we sat down to eat, the wine was all for me. Kraft was an alcoholic. He could not take so much as a sip of wine without starting on a bender that could last a month. That much of what he told me about himself was true. He was a member of Alcoholics Anonymous, h
1750136;1513126674;asciilifeform;ad been for sixteen years. While he used AA. meetings as spy drops, his appetite for what the meetings offered spiritually was real. He once told me, in all sincerity, that the greatest contribution America had made to the world, a contribution that would be remembered for thousands of years, was the invention of A.A.'
1750137;1513126682;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: ty
1750138;1513126688;asciilifeform;re BingoBoingo's item. ( from, naturally, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744671 )
1750139;1513126688;a111;Logged on 2017-11-30 16:01 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Eznv2/?raw=true << whole thing, ftr. 31333337 w4r3z !111
1750140;1513126734;mircea_popescu;i was always suspicious of this "could not" business. really, you can't ?
1750141;1513126757;mircea_popescu;ran into this lots of times, most chicks are smokers, and most "can't" have a smoke like normal people without turning into their old x packs a day habit over time.
1750142;1513126773;mircea_popescu;then comes the first cold turkey + beating & berating for it, then the second...
1750143;1513126791;mircea_popescu;eventually once there's no hidey hole for "i just can't help myself" and no fucking benefit to binging whatsoever... they can./
1750144;1513126806;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749890 << this is actually so clever i think ima add it to the standard mp ops manual. << Funny how incidental self care part of the plan becomes lynch pin.
1750145;1513126806;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 17:54 BingoBoingo: Also, the local accent is beginning to break into discrete works as opposed to noise. The epic 2.5-3 hour AA meetings here have been an invaluable opportunity to listen to a variety of local speakers one at a time.
1750146;1513126822;asciilifeform;loldunlookatme, i dun like developing dope tolerances at all
1750147;1513126833;asciilifeform;defeats the whole point , neh
1750148;1513126868;mircea_popescu;well... kinda the whole point of smoking, neh ? "it just... relaxes me, man" "and how do yo uthink it does that ?" "i don't know, there's some like brain receptors or something"
1750149;1513126871;mircea_popescu;mmmmmyeeah...
1750150;1513126889;asciilifeform;how to smoke -- is possibly the 1 item where the red man had right idea.
1750151;1513126902;mircea_popescu;what was that ?
1750152;1513126906;asciilifeform;~monthly
1750153;1513126909;mircea_popescu;liek religious ritual thing ?
1750154;1513126912;mircea_popescu;aha. yeah.
1750155;1513126915;BingoBoingo; i was always suspicious of this "could not" business. really, you can't ? << Well advised not to. Once started who knows when stopping happens
1750156;1513126930;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i wouldn't avise "free agents" to try, that's for damn sure.
1750157;1513126958;mircea_popescu;but slavegirl is safe in that "tell you what, how about i crack your skull open ?" is very... relaxing.
1750158;1513126987;BingoBoingo;Anyways comparing/contrasting results of past two years vs previous ten makes the case
1750159;1513127004;*;mircea_popescu believes.
1750160;1513127041;BingoBoingo;But in a world full of stoned brazilians, one has to have a vice to be trusted, so tobacco returns for now.
1750161;1513127058;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749904 << ahahaha and the one liner of the  day award goes to...
1750162;1513127058;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 19:57 mod6: lol "plug and play"
1750163;1513127141;asciilifeform;re subj of link, seems like uniquely poor idea from opsec pov , for some reason usg likes to search arse ~first~ , sometimes even they leave the rest of the 'patient' alone. as with the famous fella pictured in old thread, who ate a pistol inside a police station, while already booked, on camera
1750164;1513127155;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749913 << o ya, timing is extremely useful tool in teh arsenal.
1750165;1513127155;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 21:48 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0BSH9/?raw=true << meanwhile check out the worm-hydra chatting up one of my nodes
1750166;1513127167;mircea_popescu;then again i guess a good third of all trilema convos are about that.
1750167;1513127176;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's for play pretend.
1750168;1513127196;asciilifeform;gotta wonder then , pretend-what.
1750169;1513127215;asciilifeform;pretend-i-am-a-disk-drive ?
1750170;1513127229;mircea_popescu;consider : take chick to restaurant, do things to her, on cam, then put the files on her buttdrive and have her carry it next time you eat at that restaurant.
1750171;1513127237;mircea_popescu;"hey... remember..." etc.
1750172;1513127237;asciilifeform;lolk.
1750173;1513127247;mircea_popescu;perversity longa.
1750174;1513127263;BingoBoingo;Anyways, after meeting with accountant tomorrow will likely publish first piece on developing annoyances with subsets of the locals.
1750175;1513127280;mircea_popescu;gotta bitch or else it's not a real blog!
1750176;1513127322;BingoBoingo;The fucking sniffling spasm, What the everloving fuck. Go home and leave polite society until you discover the handkercheif.
1750177;1513127344;shinohai;Hey BingoBoingo that little Pink Elephant guy was kinda cute.
1750178;1513127421;BingoBoingo;tyvm shinohai
1750179;1513127434;mircea_popescu;!#s brain fag syndrome
1750180;1513127435;a111;0 results for "brain fag syndrome", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=brain%20fag%20syndrome
1750181;1513127438;BingoBoingo;When I saw it and the zoo I wondered if maybe they'd been trilema'd
1750182;1513127443;BingoBoingo;forget to look
1750183;1513127445;mircea_popescu;!~google brain fag syndrome
1750184;1513127446;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Brain fag syndrome - Wikipedia: ; Brain fag syndrome : a culture-bound syndrome that may be ...: ; Brain Fag Syndrome in Africa | ANP204 – Introduction to Medical ...: 
1750185;1513127449;mircea_popescu;^ in other orc lulz.
1750186;1513127472;asciilifeform;is this another korean fan death
1750187;1513127480;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo a painted elephant ? i have not really been literally everywhere already, cmon.
1750188;1513127493;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha! except it's a "school's too hard" somatization.
1750189;1513127569;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's near the closed zoo in Montevideo
1750190;1513127642;BingoBoingo;Or as the locals call it "The planetaria"
1750191;1513127719;shinohai;I hadn't heard the term "Pink Elephant" in years ... last time was when I got a bunch of bennies to make sobering up from 3 day binge easier.
1750192;1513127720;BingoBoingo;Looks like you did the lilly shot better http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ur-1-25.jpg vs www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000054-768x576.jpg
1750193;1513127770;mircea_popescu;well you know, works best if you get them in the shadow
1750194;1513127838;BingoBoingo;At the time, that stretch of street lacked shadow. This part of Montevideo has comfortable shaded walks full of sycamores and scorching sun galleries.
1750195;1513127900;mircea_popescu;oh, in other great eggogs : 走火入魔 ie "life energy cultivation error" aka "something has gone wrong in your chigong"
1750196;1513128010;shinohai;Sounds like a weaboo sex robot error.
1750197;1513128020;mircea_popescu;could be!
1750198;1513128060;mircea_popescu;"Holy shit Freud is spelled with an e not an a ? I had been spelling it wrong all these years and had no idea!"
1750199;1513128098;BingoBoingo;lol
1750200;1513128115;BingoBoingo;brb, voy a la cama
1750201;1513128390;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/xnjyJ << kinda humorous. mostly for costco > standford for learning about best of amerikan kapitalism.
1750202;1513128422;pete_dushenski;"The Western Elite from a Chinese Perspective by Puzhong Yao"
1750203;1513128807;asciilifeform;'We talked about microaggressions and feelings and empathy and listening. Sometimes in class the professor would say things to me like “Puzhong, when Mary said that, I could see you were really feeling something,” or “Puzhong, I could see in your eyes that Peter’s story affected you.” And I would tell them I didn’t feel anything. I was quite confused.' << lol
1750204;1513128876;asciilifeform;'Eventually I was able to meet the chief financial officer of my favorite company, Costco. He told me that they don’t hire any MBAs. Everyone starts by pushing trolleys. (I have seriously thought about doing just that. But my wife is strongly against it.) Maybe, I thought, that is why the company is so successful—no MBAs!'
1750205;1513128932;asciilifeform;'Warren Buffett has said that the moment one was born in the United States or another Western country, that person has essentially won a lottery. If someone is born a U.S. citizen, he or she enjoys a huge advantage in almost every aspect of life, including expected wealth, education, health care, environment, safety, etc., when compared to someone born in developing countries. For someone foreign to “purchase” these privileges, t
1750206;1513128932;asciilifeform;he price tag at the moment is $1 million dollars (the rough value of the EB-5 investment visa). Even at this price level, the demand from certain countries routinely exceeds the annual allocated quota, resulting in long waiting times. In that sense, American citizens were born millionaires!'
1750207;1513128935;asciilifeform;ahahahahahahahaha
1750208;1513128940;asciilifeform;born millionaires, didjaknow
1750209;1513129019;asciilifeform;which must be why it costs usa inmate 750k usd to trade his shitpassport for one in sad old europistan, for instance.
1750210;1513129081;*;asciilifeform looked at date of linked item. 2017. nope, not 1987, somehow.
1750211;1513129089;asciilifeform;not even '97.
1750212;1513129097;asciilifeform;nuts.
1750213;1513129363;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-14#503954 << see also !
1750214;1513129363;a111;Logged on 2014-02-14 17:26 mircea_popescu: ok, so school in soviet russia
1750215;1513130244;mircea_popescu;"really feeling" as opposed to, importantly, "not really" feeling. it's a matter of degree not of reality that's being spoken to
1750216;1513130380;mircea_popescu;the "lottery" theory is very much in the vein of "when one is born male, one gets advantages", ie, statistical retrofitting. the past 30 years have well proven that there's no causality there -- yes people who were born male i nthe past also coincidentally later developped into enviable positions. but the maleness was not germane, as proven by the sad scum that is just as biologically male born these days, and holds all the p
1750217;1513130381;mircea_popescu;ower and prestige of used dishwashing sponges.
1750218;1513130431;mircea_popescu;but as the old saying goes, "if anyobne's selling it, you don't want to buy it".
1750219;1513130455;asciilifeform;'spiffy jet you got there. now let's see how well it flies WITHOUT ENGINES muhahahhaa'
1750220;1513130504;mircea_popescu;in other "lottery winning", for the past half hour while taking shower i've been mulling over the dilemma of whether i can be arsed to go over to fine restaurant have their absolutely fabulous porterhouse or not really.
1750221;1513130551;mircea_popescu;obviously puţong yao doesn't know what he doesn't know, and consequently his lowly herbivore status remains enviable in his mind only.
1750222;1513130587;asciilifeform;inevitable q, aha, is what exactly the dazed confucian d00d finds 'enviable'
1750223;1513130607;mircea_popescu;well, a lot of other women sitting around gossiping about how enviable she is, evidently.
1750224;1513130626;mircea_popescu;since i'm supposed to believe that "quotas are exceeded" is some kind of argument.
1750225;1513130652;mircea_popescu;tell you what, the pancreatic cancer quotas are routinely exceeded each year since 1972 also!
1750226;1513130698;mircea_popescu;that's why they're quotas in the first fucking place : undesirable activities, harmful for everyone. if they weren't, they... wouldn't be quotas, holy hell.
1750227;1513130777;asciilifeform;fwiw ( and supposing the item is true as written ) i dun get why usg would say no to an idjit willing to pay $mil to move to usgistan
1750228;1513130795;mircea_popescu;throws the curve. same reason kids dun want mp to move into their class.
1750229;1513130806;asciilifeform;hm.
1750230;1513130808;mircea_popescu;azn  with 1mn to throw around is like salt for the ivy mills.
1750231;1513130827;mircea_popescu;at least if he's poor -- then some sort of kowtowing could perhaps be instilled. and even so...
1750232;1513130847;asciilifeform;that'd explain why the quota appears to be filled by camelfuckers
1750233;1513130853;mircea_popescu;yes.
1750234;1513130894;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would anyone with two neurons to rub together ~actually want~ to work for costco is impossible to divine. it's a dead, commoditized item, that's like research physicist desiring to work at cnc mill. wtf to do there ?
1750235;1513130905;mircea_popescu;makes me suspect entirely engineered item, it dun stand up to plain reading.
1750236;1513130938;mircea_popescu;~every chinese mba i ever met however remotely wants to work for three-white-names-you-never-heard-of financfial firm.
1750237;1513130967;asciilifeform;aha, but in the linked item conveniently replaced with goldmansachs
1750238;1513130982;mircea_popescu;which doesn't either hire them or is sought by them
1750239;1513130995;mircea_popescu;gs hires ivy spew, and quite plainly and deliberately.
1750240;1513131007;asciilifeform;nomenklatura.
1750241;1513131009;mircea_popescu;if they had a kickbacks scheme with eg stanford bs i would be utterly unsuirprised.
1750242;1513131023;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite. whereas where the smart azn kids wanna go is into the firms "retired" ex gs doods start.
1750243;1513131033;mircea_popescu;the sort with 10 employees and 10bn in "cash".
1750244;1513131051;mircea_popescu;i guess actually this'd be the best approximation for tmsr currently, at that.
1750245;1513131060;mircea_popescu;in fiat terms
1750246;1513131158;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj
1750247;1513131162;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel
1750248;1513131163;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1750249;1513131184;mircea_popescu;i think this takes the cake. yo why TRIPLE on/off login wtf is this
1750250;1513131192;asciilifeform;ikr?
1750251;1513131207;asciilifeform;d00d must be on a propane-powered modem
1750252;1513131213;gabriel_laddel;Just got out of jail, in SF, scored & M install
1750253;1513131220;gabriel_laddel;not caught up on logs
1750254;1513131229;asciilifeform;lol!!
1750255;1513131232;asciilifeform;jail for what
1750256;1513131248;gabriel_laddel;on roof wasn't supposed to be on
1750257;1513131252;gabriel_laddel;(working)
1750258;1513131279;mircea_popescu;"farting and landing" patch on "breaking and entering" ?
1750259;1513131308;gabriel_laddel;I was computing so they stuck me into mental.. no charge
1750260;1513131315;gabriel_laddel;police were impressed with me
1750261;1513131325;mircea_popescu;well that's something.
1750262;1513131362;asciilifeform;lucky job, gabriel_laddel , iirc last d00d with laptop-on-roof was hanged ( aron schwarz )
1750263;1513131434;mircea_popescu;east coast neh ?
1750264;1513131441;asciilifeform;aha, mit
1750265;1513131451;mircea_popescu;shittier place, the east coast.
1750266;1513131556;gabriel_laddel;PG was right about CA fwiw. temp matters
1750267;1513131606;mircea_popescu;meanwhile somewhere else, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e06d70a0a8e20cf0f56b79e7c5a678a0/tumblr_nkha1dEwrj1tmf8ldo1_400.gif
1750268;1513131681;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: waiwat
1750269;1513131685;asciilifeform;matters for what
1750270;1513131712;gabriel_laddel; http://www.paulgraham.com/siliconvalley.html
1750271;1513131819;mircea_popescu;if that nonsense were true costa rica would consist of 50% of the world's tech minds.
1750272;1513131821;mircea_popescu;it isn't.
1750273;1513131853;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748752 << obligthread
1750274;1513131853;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 15:01 asciilifeform: for some reason the beautiful equatorial mild valley bananistans, never grew anything in the way of interesting ~people~
1750275;1513131889;mircea_popescu;california exists principally out of having (accidentally, but nevertheless) well managed the gold rush.
1750276;1513131938;mircea_popescu;sparked off accidentally with actual gold, then supported pre and post ww2 by the choice of film industry to move away from the mob rackets (and they succeeded, when the mob caught on and tried to invade the movie folk got the usg to tear it a new hole) and finally post 1960 by the ic folk.
1750277;1513131962;mircea_popescu;the "web 2.0" "mobile" etc "revolutions" however failed to catch, so its port is getting sanded as we speak.
1750278;1513132122;asciilifeform;100% printolade-powered, today.
1750279;1513132203;mircea_popescu;yes but so is zimbabwe
1750280;1513132277;mircea_popescu;anyuay, the quoted piece from a 1990s bit from a local landlord. as such it reflects the predominantly hopeful mood of the landed gentry at the time "yes, it's a downturn portion of a cycle but that's what cycles are".
1750281;1513132287;mircea_popescu;meanwhile however the 90s turned into the 00s and in turn into the 10s and well...
1750282;1513132304;mircea_popescu;no cycle.
1750283;1513132337;asciilifeform;printer prints, prints, nonstop tho. hence 'space station' square metrage price.
1750284;1513132347;mircea_popescu;sure.
1750285;1513132406;*;asciilifeform many times offered work in ca, equally many times refused. 'tell me why i should take the double pay , so as to pay 3x for flat, and it will have roaches , why ? '
1750286;1513132447;asciilifeform;what do folx need to have inside their crankcase, to swallow it.
1750287;1513132504;asciilifeform;as it is, i haven't even mustered the givingashit to go there as pure tourist
1750288;1513132513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you aware the colorful ( of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748888 lolz) manson fellow ended up with like two dozen under-20 chicks in tow ?
1750289;1513132513;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 20:34 mircea_popescu: incidentally, can anyone recount teh helter-skelter charlie mason scenario of risk, the game of world-diplomacy and international intrigue ?
1750290;1513132526;mircea_popescu;"what did they have in crankcase ?" you ask ? drugs, man.
1750291;1513132529;asciilifeform;aha, iirc d00d died recently
1750292;1513132534;mircea_popescu;yea
1750293;1513132560;asciilifeform;iirc also was never shown to have nailed anyone with own hands, or even contracted.
1750294;1513132572;mircea_popescu;indeed not.
1750295;1513132686;mircea_popescu;but i mean, REMARKABLY fucking idiotic. dude's idea was that rando movie star is important, on the basis of i dunno, all he ever read was vanity fair i guess
1750296;1513132722;mircea_popescu;or not even. fucking vogue, something. who even thought rando what's-her-husbands-name is important in the 60s ?
1750297;1513132784;asciilifeform;the heads of people-without-theorems, unless properly embedded into some variant of peasantry/army/slavery, will grow fungal bloom
1750298;1513132793;asciilifeform;and it will look like this, or like camelfuck variant, or like any other.
1750299;1513132826;asciilifeform;hell, bernstein et al ~with~ theorems still went to ~same place.
1750300;1513132828;mircea_popescu;so is your question answered then ?
1750301;1513132833;asciilifeform;possibly.
1750302;1513134668;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in forgotten lulz, http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/#comment-92662
1750303;1513134691;mircea_popescu;apparently "goodbye" doesn't mean goodbye in EXACTLY the same way no doesn't mean no.
1750304;1513166375;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1750305;1513166382;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16559.0, vol: 16927.08443451 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16587.0, vol: 50541.79879158 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16749.0, vol: 3163.65110059 | Volume-weighted last average: 16587.5458266
1750306;1513168047;shinohai;How long before Japan tells all to cargo-cult military someplace else. http://archive.is/QANIt
1750307;1513174978;*;shinohai almost blew hot tea through nose @ cbs imitating trilema http://archive.is/xM05B
1750308;1513178371;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1750309;1513178378;mircea_popescu;obviously, they forgot to link
1750310;1513178410;asciilifeform;iirc there was ~same article in the time of mtgox
1750311;1513178440;asciilifeform;'If you have money in the bank, the bank is protecting your money' << lol!!
1750312;1513178472;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally protecting.
1750313;1513178617;diana_coman;funny this "when the bubble will burst on bitcoin value" but not even one line on "when the bubble will burst on house prices"
1750314;1513178623;shinohai;See asciilifeform ... this is what the usb buttplug is for, to store your 2-of-3 bitcoin seed in.
1750315;1513178646;mircea_popescu;diana_coman not only that, but not a line on "when the bubble will burst on usd prices".
1750316;1513178660;mircea_popescu;one has to be well touched in the head to imagine usd prices > 1 satoshi are somehow sustainable.
1750317;1513178662;shinohai;The buttplug provides warm reassurance that your $$$ is safe in bank.
1750318;1513178680;mircea_popescu;shinohai 1 of 3. there's 2 more holes to go!
1750319;1513178688;mircea_popescu;and i mean go like the latinos read it, "ho".
1750320;1513178706;shinohai;hue
1750321;1513178915;BingoBoingo;So, it turns out looking directly for abogados was a mistake. The accountant has popped the gringo bubble. Apparently gringos seeking tax shelters for existing money go to abogados. Empressarios like myself go to consultadoras.
1750322;1513178929;shinohai;So far deviantart search is ..... fruitless. I can't get too many to talk to me yet, its like a sjw site. "Bitcoin is cool, but you trilema people are transphobic"
1750323;1513178956;mircea_popescu;in similar lulz, from gal on cali mission recently : "in other news i saw a $7000 bathrobe yesterday. the moment anything says boutique i know it's gonna be like car-prices-for-decorative-knick-knacks sorta deal".
1750324;1513178977;mircea_popescu;now if that 7k bathrobe came with priviledge affixed, such as ye caftans of ye olde sultans did, it'd be one thing.
1750325;1513178987;shinohai;BingoBoingo: In the society you are in, likely un consultador puede ser encontrado en cado rincon no?
1750326;1513178993;mircea_popescu;but you know all it says is http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ and no more.
1750327;1513178995;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was it a lockheed-martin bathrobe, or a raytheon ?
1750328;1513179006;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749890 << this is actually so clever i think ima add it to the standard mp ops manual. << In another caveat to this... Here is the first place I have been to with meetings of such epic lengths.
1750329;1513179006;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 17:54 BingoBoingo: Also, the local accent is beginning to break into discrete works as opposed to noise. The epic 2.5-3 hour AA meetings here have been an invaluable opportunity to listen to a variety of local speakers one at a time.
1750330;1513179007;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform neither.
1750331;1513179009;asciilifeform;did it have the optional radar jamming pods.
1750332;1513179011;asciilifeform;lolk
1750333;1513179022;mircea_popescu;it was you know, the same usual crap, "microfiber" or w/e.
1750334;1513179031;BingoBoingo;lol, plastifuzz
1750335;1513179038;mircea_popescu;aha.
1750336;1513179053;mircea_popescu;"if i want to wear shredded bottlecaps i'll just make my own, dorks"
1750337;1513179063;asciilifeform;sustainably(tm)(r) knitted from fibers grown in the skins of sustainable(tm)(r) diverse(tm)(r) nation of africa nationals ?
1750338;1513179070;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo bingo.
1750339;1513179078;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck i was waiting to pop that one since i met him.\
1750340;1513179084;mircea_popescu;I AM SO RELIEFED
1750341;1513179100;BingoBoingo;Plastifuzz has great utility as cloth for dusting, but that property makes me disinclined to cloth self with plastifuzz
1750342;1513179110;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the thing i liked most about it was that chick now speaks... exactly like me.
1750343;1513179114;mircea_popescu;it's uncanny.
1750344;1513179152;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is only 'great for dusting' when new. but i've found that lens cleaner cloth is ~disposable, it dun 'micro-' no moar after 1st wash.
1750345;1513179166;mircea_popescu;shinohai ahaha wow. blog some selections plox ?
1750346;1513179177;asciilifeform;so may as well buy the single-shot wipes, same type as for rifle barrels
1750347;1513179187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if any girl touches any lens with any non-natural fiber that girl thereby gets a whopping.
1750348;1513179200;mircea_popescu;wtf is this. god invented cotton and silk for this reason.
1750349;1513179202;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What wash, buy by the tens of pounds.
1750350;1513179210;BingoBoingo;and no for lenses
1750351;1513179220;BingoBoingo;plastifuzz picks up hella abrasives
1750352;1513179221;mircea_popescu;plastic scratches. it's the ~one thing it does well.
1750353;1513179239;shinohai;One good thing about teh South, I used to go out back behind the cotton mills and get tons of free soft cotton rags.
1750354;1513179244;shinohai;No bleach, nada
1750355;1513179256;mircea_popescu;shinohai can go into drier, pick up free lint!
1750356;1513179261;mircea_popescu;if you use no synthetics, that is.
1750357;1513179380;mircea_popescu;for logistical clarity, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750338 refers to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750321
1750358;1513179380;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 15:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bingo.
1750359;1513179380;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 15:28 BingoBoingo: So, it turns out looking directly for abogados was a mistake. The accountant has popped the gringo bubble. Apparently gringos seeking tax shelters for existing money go to abogados. Empressarios like myself go to consultadoras.
1750360;1513179395;mircea_popescu;and logistical evidently refers to the logs.
1750361;1513179402;mircea_popescu;and other clarifications as may in time be needed.
1750362;1513179403;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1750363;1513179419;diana_coman;and etc!!
1750364;1513179422;mircea_popescu;lol
1750365;1513179649;mircea_popescu;in other statistics nobody cares about : out of 1817 females under 30 with an interest in kink that checked out http://trilema.com/2017/galati-yachting/ this month, OVER 900 !!!! thereby inferred that saving turtles is what i do for a living, my job or in some manner similarily my profession or occupation.
1750366;1513179653;mircea_popescu;THIS IS ALMOST THE MAJORITY
1750367;1513179681;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750286 as they say.
1750368;1513179681;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 02:34 asciilifeform: what do folx need to have inside their crankcase, to swallow it.
1750369;1513179701;*;asciilifeform reviews linked item, with some surprise notices that it in fact mentioned a turtle
1750370;1513179727;mircea_popescu;but apparently these idle-liberated domestic appliances HONESTLY BELIEVE carrying half an ounce over half a yard a coupla times one morning constitutes enough contribution to the general welfare of humanity to thereby eat, every day, and perhaps who knows, even 7k robe, one day.
1750371;1513179757;asciilifeform;http://www.devo.com/bladerunner/sector/2/interrogation.html << oblig turtle.
1750372;1513179765;mircea_popescu;btw you ever had the soup ?
1750373;1513179770;asciilifeform;notyet
1750374;1513179781;mircea_popescu;prettygood.tw
1750375;1513179797;mircea_popescu;btw, does .tw stand for trigger warning yet, or still pretending taiwan is country ?
1750376;1513179847;asciilifeform;it'll end up a discount '.tv' before long. telewision.
1750377;1513179853;mircea_popescu;haha
1750378;1513179897;asciilifeform;tho the proper king's englisch 'tw' word is, obviously, 'twat'
1750379;1513179935;asciilifeform;( i in fact dun know any other that begins with 'tw' )
1750380;1513179943;asciilifeform;twilight, i guess
1750381;1513179945;mircea_popescu;upon re-wreading, it occurs to me "idleberated" is not even such a bad word to describe the situation of various wenches, maids and whatnot who belabour under the misapprehension that they're excused from the obligations their servile social class imposes on them
1750382;1513179960;asciilifeform;twin. ( what else..? )
1750383;1513179977;mircea_popescu;(and no, limiting this to "take master cock whenever master feels like" is VERY disingenuous. maids' knee is a thing FOR A FUCKING REASON ; servile class spends most time workign, not fucking.)
1750384;1513180000;asciilifeform;who is the subj of this observation ? presumably the chix work for living somewhere, neh
1750385;1513180020;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform twice tweed twain twine etc etc
1750386;1513180044;asciilifeform;^ yeah at this point i got
1750387;1513180048;shinohai;mircea_popescu lieks turtles.
1750388;1513180063;mircea_popescu;(for bonus lulz : twattle, evidently a twat cognate, means to buffer, to mitigate, to cushion. RITE ?)
1750389;1513180096;BingoBoingo; btw you ever had the soup ? << The snappers back home make excellent soup. The bigger and meaner the better.
1750390;1513180104;asciilifeform;there exist also 'twerp'
1750391;1513180118;shinohai;mircea_popescu trb nod twattles ... perfect terminology
1750392;1513180123;shinohai;*node
1750393;1513180142;shinohai;it buffers, but in wrong sense! xD
1750394;1513180230;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha. i had it in... missouri, i think. quite excellent.
1750395;1513180347;BingoBoingo;The only mandatory thing is a big snapper with proper death and postmortem treatment
1750396;1513180424;shinohai;Hey BingoBoingo you seen one of those red bird shirts like Quagmire wears down there?
1750397;1513180434;BingoBoingo;Que?
1750398;1513180523;shinohai;I need a red shirt with Birds on it so I kinda look like Quagmire for this party I'm going to.
1750399;1513180580;BingoBoingo;Ah, the locals dress in all sorts of manners. I am not obviously a foreigner until I open my mouth. And then... They still mostly guess Brazilian...
1750400;1513180644;BingoBoingo;Aqui, foreigner seems to correspond either to Argentine for ones that speak like them or Brazilian for foreigners who speak funny.
1750401;1513180694;shinohai;My friend in Memezuela finally got in touch. Think he's got a visa to Italy in June.
1750402;1513180713;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: asciilifeform managed to pass for troo orc in ro when closing mouth. it isn't hard, with closed mouth
1750403;1513180751;mircea_popescu;oh and in other randoms : yest i saw girl shirt reading in big thick font "blowjob is still better than no job"
1750404;1513180758;asciilifeform;( so long as one doesn't suffer from http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#816570 problem )
1750405;1513180758;a111;Logged on 2014-08-30 21:57 mircea_popescu: "i dunno... maybe stop sending niggers ?"
1750406;1513180784;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I saw a teeny bopper with a shirt that said "Acid Please" in montevideo shopping.
1750407;1513180796;mircea_popescu;gave her some ?
1750408;1513180832;BingoBoingo;Nah, not actually Braziallian. Don't have the psychadelic hook up... at least not yet.
1750409;1513180867;mircea_popescu;lol that word keeps morphing it's gonna end up brazen-alien
1750410;1513180884;BingoBoingo;Would be apt
1750411;1513180953;BingoBoingo;They seem to keep the economy here flowing. Uruguay's own voluntary Indian fat reserve.
1750412;1513180962;mircea_popescu;shinohai : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750345 (and also, consider constructing a mass messaging rig as pluriously described on trilema ?)
1750413;1513180962;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 15:32 mircea_popescu: shinohai ahaha wow. blog some selections plox ?
1750414;1513181047;shinohai;mircea_popescu: link to mass messaging $item handy plz?
1750415;1513181085;mircea_popescu;like http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/ ?
1750416;1513181500;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the consultadora has begun the work of massaging a bank account out of Itau which apparently is impossible for estadosunidense as private individuals, but no problem for business individuals.
1750417;1513181528;BingoBoingo;Contrary to all the web derping about "Gringos are condemned to BROU"
1750418;1513181569;mircea_popescu;heh.
1750419;1513181572;mircea_popescu;nice going.
1750420;1513181581;mircea_popescu;took her out for lunch yet ?
1750421;1513181623;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this -- supposing it actually worx as-printed-on-the-box -- is pretty neato.
1750422;1513181662;BingoBoingo;The venezuala? Not yet. I will probably ask her if she wants me to have some food ready when she comes for spanish lesson tonight.
1750423;1513181715;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do. find an upmarket steakhouse, take her for lunch (not dinner) one day at her convenience. this isn't in any sense sexual ; but it is a good idea to leverage the environment to impress upon the help that it is indeed a very good idea to be as helpful as humanly possible.
1750424;1513181718;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Apparently they have an estadounidense in their office who bas bank account through "series of simple tricks"
1750425;1513181834;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no, the consultadora, whatever that is.
1750426;1513181971;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah, the consultadora is a small firm. How the locals say "accountantancy", there is she there who is my primary contact.
1750427;1513181980;mircea_popescu;that one.
1750428;1513182043;mircea_popescu;the polychinelle's secret about people is that everyone wants a new friend just as much as you do, if not more. makes things easier.
1750429;1513182051;*;BingoBoingo learning so much.
1750430;1513182156;mircea_popescu;menschkeit, bro.
1750431;1513182168;mod6;mornin'
1750432;1513182168;mircea_popescu;doing business, and especially being in business is principally a STYLE.
1750433;1513182202;*;BingoBoingo suspects they want to make friends with my friends after I presented expected revenue from rack (10kusd gross) and expected number of clients per rack (less than 10).
1750434;1513182217;*;mircea_popescu chuckles privately, yet again, at random harlequins thinking themselves "persona di stile", http://trilema.com/2016/the-%d0%ba%d0%b2%d0%b0%d1%81-bdsm-party/#comment-118601 -style.
1750435;1513182235;mircea_popescu;how's teh frosts mod6
1750436;1513182300;mod6;Not too horrible this morning.  We got like maybe half-inch of snow overnight.
1750437;1513182348;mod6;It warms up when it snows (as it's cloudy), so it's at least 15 degrees warmer than yesterday.  Tradeoffs :]
1750438;1513182355;mircea_popescu;going for ducks ? or wait, no ducks where you live huh
1750439;1513182372;mod6;There are ducks here ya.  I hunt pheasant tho.
1750440;1513182376;*;BingoBoingo rolled into meeting wearing short sleeve button up red work shirt, khaki cargo shorts, and carried very slim attache case.
1750441;1513182394;*;mircea_popescu used to go just about now, for river ducks. early to mid december, when it snows a little and as aresult warms.
1750442;1513182398;mod6;I've bagged about ... 11 or 12 so far this year.
1750443;1513182425;mod6;i've got a long way to go.  I'd like to get ~50.
1750444;1513182430;mircea_popescu;do they have season where you're at ?
1750445;1513182453;mircea_popescu;ro had very few (for some reason most ppl prefer to go for pheasant, i have nfi) so it was like... one week in oct and one week in jan, pretty much 1 to 7
1750446;1513182464;BingoBoingo;US duck season tricky thing. Regulated by migratory bird treaties with pete_dushenskiLand
1750447;1513182469;mod6;Starts mid-october until spring.  Most people quit when the snow gets too deep.
1750448;1513182513;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, that must suck. from memory it was just about "while snow on the ground"
1750449;1513182524;mod6;Duck is good eating.  I don't have all of the equip. for it.  Most guys have a lot of decoys and a blind or boat of sorts.
1750450;1513182551;mircea_popescu;mod6 you don't need either decoys or boat. you need an excellent dog, which is the problem.
1750451;1513182560;mircea_popescu;errything else is fluff. but yes, sourkraut duck, to die for.
1750452;1513182596;mod6;I don't have a low-land dog either, no.  Definitely need a newf or lab or whatever.
1750453;1513182605;mircea_popescu;but in general -- the duck is harder shooting, because pheasant is dumb as rocks, will let you come close enough to fucking arrow it to death. duck will not. but with modern rifles this isn't a problem.
1750454;1513182629;mircea_popescu;some people actually need the extra quarter mile or w/e decoy/caller buys you, but really, healthy human doesn't actually have to need it.
1750455;1513182647;BingoBoingo;AHA, in usa duck needs to be taken with shotgun using steel shot
1750456;1513182678;mod6;I'd imagine that there wouldn't be much decent meat left after getting hit with a rifle round.
1750457;1513182679;mircea_popescu;still, if you manage a mile-and-quarter kill or some insanity like that, you really want the dog to do the running for you.
1750458;1513182717;mircea_popescu;mod6 well you don't want explosive round lol. but anyway, picking the lead out from the pheasant in experience not much worse than eating around the hole in the duck.
1750459;1513182732;mod6;I can't imagine trying to hit a fast-flying anything @ 100 yds with a rifle much less a mile and a half.
1750460;1513182760;mircea_popescu;they fly very predictably. but anyway, mile-and-half is you know, stuff of legends.
1750461;1513182772;mod6;haha.  i imagine.
1750462;1513182775;mircea_popescu;you'd use something like i dunno, 1oz tungsten shot ?
1750463;1513182805;mircea_popescu;pretty much 12gauge standard for waterfowl anyway.
1750464;1513182809;mod6;I use .12 ga lead #6 shot.
1750465;1513182876;mod6;Does the job.  I try to shoot 'em within 20-50 yds.
1750466;1513182879;mircea_popescu;i think duck is usually #2 or i guess #4
1750467;1513182883;mod6;Any more than that and they're gone.
1750468;1513182927;mod6;Ducks fly fast tho, ya.  I should give that a try next year.
1750469;1513182944;mircea_popescu;per tradition it's higher on the hierarchy of hard game
1750470;1513182952;mircea_popescu;turkey possibly easiest, below grouse, rabbit, anything
1750471;1513182981;mod6;i wanna give turkey a try too. i hear it's a lot of walking, but lots of fun.
1750472;1513183014;mod6;I think it'd be good exercise if nothing else.
1750473;1513183024;mircea_popescu;yeah. it's possibly best beginner game, basically golf with clubs that shoot
1750474;1513183036;mod6;haha. werd.
1750475;1513183039;mircea_popescu;pheasant NOT MUCH DIFFERENT :D
1750476;1513183059;mod6;What kinda blows my mind about the turkeys is the like to roost in the trees.
1750477;1513183064;mircea_popescu;yep
1750478;1513183066;mod6;*they
1750479;1513183093;mircea_popescu;you have grouse there btw ?
1750480;1513183103;mircea_popescu;or how do you call the little runny bird in this language
1750481;1513183109;mod6;Yeah, for sure.  I've never been grouse hunting tho.
1750482;1513183122;mod6;People love to eat em.
1750483;1513183124;mircea_popescu;gotta pay attention with them
1750484;1513183137;mircea_popescu;yeah. you need like a dozen to make a meal, but the meal is worth making.
1750485;1513183144;mod6;Yeah, otherwise you get the ole dick-cheney to the face.
1750486;1513183161;mircea_popescu;the who ?
1750487;1513183185;BingoBoingo;Ye Ole birdshot to the face
1750488;1513183191;BingoBoingo;W's veep
1750489;1513183195;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> gotta pay attention with them << shooting things that walk on the ground -- a bit more risky ya.
1750490;1513183202;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1750491;1513183205;*;asciilifeform finds that he cannot think of grouse without recalling mayakovsky's 'Ешь ананасы, рябчиков жуй, / день твой последний приходит, буржуй.'
1750492;1513183212;mircea_popescu;yes well, let's ideally not do that then, lol
1750493;1513183286;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you getting fired up with proletariat rage over thar ?
1750494;1513183305;asciilifeform;nah it's just this old skull attic furniture, this rhyme.
1750495;1513183314;mircea_popescu;ftr, ananasy is like, cheapest fruit here, on a per lb basis. apples are like... WHOA.
1750496;1513183320;mircea_popescu;and also not very good, us imports.
1750497;1513183334;asciilifeform;a grous is рябчик , and for most of life asciilifeform never encountered it in any other context.
1750498;1513183383;mircea_popescu;yop ever had it ?
1750499;1513183385;asciilifeform;one day i'd like to so much as see one
1750500;1513183388;asciilifeform;outside of a picture, i mean
1750501;1513183397;mircea_popescu;uh.
1750502;1513183414;mircea_popescu;they're very hardy, pretty much every farm has them. go for walk post wheat harvest, there's 100s
1750503;1513183424;mircea_popescu;at least in humanlands.
1750504;1513183440;asciilifeform;now where to find wheat field...
1750505;1513183453;mircea_popescu;satellite shows you!!1
1750506;1513183463;mod6;You'd think there would be a bunch just west of where you are.
1750507;1513183486;asciilifeform;mod6: so far all i found : corn
1750508;1513183488;asciilifeform;and soy.
1750509;1513183496;mod6;Ah, might be pheasants in the corn though.
1750510;1513183499;asciilifeform;lotsa lotsa soy.
1750511;1513183500;mircea_popescu;^
1750512;1513183510;mircea_popescu;if there's woods by the side, pheasant almost guaranteed
1750513;1513183513;asciilifeform;pretty sure i once saw a pheasant.
1750514;1513183516;mircea_popescu;and also, i guess, fox.
1750515;1513183521;asciilifeform;fox even here in the shitlands
1750516;1513183524;asciilifeform;right on the streets
1750517;1513183531;asciilifeform;sometimes i see flattened ones
1750518;1513183539;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hanbot once saw fox on traintrip in romania, guy was like, standing watching the train, 20 meters off if that.
1750519;1513183551;mod6;Last weekend I was hunting and saw 5 huge bucks across the open field.  Was like O_O.
1750520;1513183565;asciilifeform;mod6: that's the 1 reliable animal we have here
1750521;1513183571;asciilifeform;it's errywhere
1750522;1513183582;mircea_popescu;mod6 problem is, if you actually take one of those, you gotta do something with a quarter ton of meat. what, take in 6 more women ?
1750523;1513183583;BingoBoingo; now where to find wheat field... << Wheat fields are a seasonal thing in US, check bean fields a few weeks after harvest
1750524;1513183602;BingoBoingo; Last weekend I was hunting and saw 5 huge bucks across the open field.  Was like O_O. << Vermin!
1750525;1513183604;mod6;mircea_popescu: indeed!  lot of meat on an animal like that.
1750526;1513183629;mircea_popescu;yeah. i always was more of the ... how to put this, defensive hunter ? "i don't mind killing things but i really dun wanna carry them" sort.
1750527;1513183666;mircea_popescu;i shot a grand total of 1 doe. and honestly the excstasy wasn't worth the laundry.
1750528;1513183667;BingoBoingo; mod6 problem is, if you actually take one of those, you gotta do something with a quarter ton of meat. what, take in 6 more women ? << No where close on a deer. Large buck (deer) is usually ~100 kgs total weight/
1750529;1513183689;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i am in hunter mode, applying numeric factor of 2x to 9x as need be.
1750530;1513183694;BingoBoingo;Ah
1750531;1513183702;mircea_popescu;please respect my culture & traditions.
1750532;1513183709;mod6;mircea_popescu: its quite a lot of work.  i helped dress my buddies buck this year.  took ~3 hours.
1750533;1513183712;asciilifeform;9x << i thought that was fishing mode
1750534;1513183722;mircea_popescu;mod6 and that's if you know what you're doing. otherwise, takes ~3 fingers.
1750535;1513183722;BingoBoingo;Now moose, elk, feral cow...
1750536;1513183731;mod6;we took the hide off, then hung it in the garage for 4 days.
1750537;1513183738;mod6;let the meat age.  then cut it up.
1750538;1513183791;mod6;I love those venison burgers, we mix it 50/50 with ground up pork butt.
1750539;1513183799;mircea_popescu;a yeah.
1750540;1513183803;mircea_popescu;perfect like that, even the fat.
1750541;1513183838;mod6;yeah, adding in the fat really helps hold em together.  Venison is so lean.. makes a damn good rare stake too.
1750542;1513183843;mod6;*steak
1750543;1513183850;mircea_popescu;yeah but how many rare steaks can you eat in a week.
1750544;1513183858;mod6;Shit, like maybe 2.
1750545;1513183866;mircea_popescu;ikr ? i'm at like 1.25 or so.
1750546;1513183894;mod6;These guys go out and take 1-2 deer, that is probably enough for at least the whole winter.
1750547;1513183918;mircea_popescu;yeah. and in places like alaska, say, where they do take a moose now and again, it's more convenient because freezer everywhere.
1750548;1513183941;mircea_popescu;but in temperate zone, really, ima pay to freeze that much meat for months so as to have month-old meat for months ? BUT I DUN WANNA!
1750549;1513183951;mod6;Right.
1750550;1513183971;mircea_popescu;only way is to have a large population that can eat it, somehow. though iirc usg was pretty shitty about preventing hunter sales.
1750551;1513183998;mircea_popescu;i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am.
1750552;1513184013;asciilifeform;iirc in feudal jp they had.
1750553;1513184014;mircea_popescu;sorta like how milk works (or worked, dunno, maybe they did away with that too)
1750554;1513184018;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup.
1750555;1513184036;BingoBoingo;Back in old country, most people had a good chunk of their venison processed into salty "stick" form for long term sub freezing refrigeration.
1750556;1513184048;mod6;Yeah, srsly now.  It'd be great to have a local wild-game guy, just like butcher or automotive repair guy.
1750557;1513184080;mod6;I really want to get some elk steaks, but no where to be found in immediate area.
1750558;1513184081;mircea_popescu;exactly!~
1750559;1513184093;BingoBoingo; i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am. << In old country missouri village of "Town and Country" licenses hunters, but only as far as reducing the traffic hazard posed.
1750560;1513184095;mircea_popescu;then THAT guy can afford to take a buck or something, knowing full well that in a coupla days its gone anyway
1750561;1513184115;mod6;True enough.
1750562;1513184120;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah but really, meat distribution is teh point.
1750563;1513184137;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, in re milk thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728908 and elsewhere ) -- i found out that there is apparently nao an Official loophole -- while it lasts -- in usgistan : raw milk sold 'for cats' , for piles of money , wink, nudge, posh clientelle fills up thermoses
1750564;1513184137;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 18:32 mircea_popescu: but yes, timisoara has automated raw milk dispensing machines. while that lasts, which is to say until some dumb cunt "raises awareness" enough on facebook
1750565;1513184139;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If the locals in old country were sane it would be
1750566;1513184152;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahaha nice.
1750567;1513184158;*;asciilifeform not tried yet
1750568;1513184268;mircea_popescu;mod6 and the thing is, meat age matters IMMENSELY. unless you operate a smoking thing, which fwis is all but unknown in the us, and unless i guess you know how to rot it properly (whicjh again, is nice, but MAYBE once a month sorta thing, like the romeo&juliets), in order to eat a steak shot-this-morning i'd pay, but really i wouldn't eat a "straight from the freezer" steak unless i have to.
1750569;1513184272;mircea_popescu;huge difference there.
1750570;1513184308;mod6;ah, indeed.
1750571;1513184329;mircea_popescu;if you can sell the meat without having to preserve it ~at all~, you got a fiddy to a hundy buck a pound sorta thing. if not... whatever costco charges, 9.95 or such
1750572;1513184361;mod6;I think those guys in alaska have something figured out with those full walk-in smokers they built with logs, etc.
1750573;1513184387;mircea_popescu;then again, there are those places that'll take your meat and make it jerky. not very expensive, but back to "and how much jerky can you eat ?!"
1750574;1513184417;mircea_popescu;mod6 ayup. cold smoked meat is perfectly acceptable, what else are you gonna have for breakfast. that, salmon, breastmilk, so on.
1750575;1513184464;mod6;Aha.
1750576;1513184477;mod6;Jerky is great, but it's a hassle to make ya.
1750577;1513184497;mircea_popescu;speaking of mother's milk, britt sells these macadamia nuts covered in black chocolate here. they go fabulously well with danish cookies, but i have the following complaint :
1750578;1513184521;mircea_popescu;the correct proportion is like .7 cookie to the nut. since the macadamia come in fixed size, how about they change the damned cookie size to match my needs!
1750579;1513184534;*;BingoBoingo amazed by how much better everything dairy and chocolate here is compared to old country.
1750580;1513184540;mircea_popescu;innit!
1750581;1513184545;mircea_popescu;it's because women here breastfeed.
1750582;1513184567;mod6;Here they just feed the babies Diet Coke.
1750583;1513184572;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's that plug in ?
1750584;1513184599;asciilifeform;( other than the obvious way observed by uncle al, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671450 )
1750585;1513184599;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 17:31 asciilifeform: 'FDA specifically bans from human infant formula ("felonious fortification") the addition of a tetraunsaturated fatty acid only found in human breast milk.  Near as anyone can tell, its only metabolic purpose is to encourage brain development. Human milk for human babies - or you bring up a Democrat.' ftr.
1750586;1513184617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform woman's milk is good quality ; powdered crap/soy/etc is not. child forms good tastes from his mom's tit.
1750587;1513184625;asciilifeform;aa possib
1750588;1513184642;mircea_popescu;that's why you don't permit your kids to live in room with "posters" of idiotic pop "legends". let them have roman antiquity decor.
1750589;1513184655;mircea_popescu;costs a little more, but then again what's the money for.
1750590;1513184707;mircea_popescu;btw re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750533 : you are aware costa rica routinely dominates catches in pretty all categories ? they get literal quarter ton tuna here.
1750591;1513184707;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 16:48 asciilifeform: 9x << i thought that was fishing mode
1750592;1513184714;mircea_popescu;swordfish longer than teh boat. and so on.
1750593;1513184755;mod6;Doing some fishing like that could be a pretty fun time.
1750594;1513184767;mod6;Trying to haul in a vw bus.
1750595;1513184768;ben_vulpes;funnily enough, the family democrats have failed on parenting to the degree that "she only eats white things" like...bread. pasta. plastimilk.
1750596;1513184793;ben_vulpes;while my two year old is scarfing down olives, prosciutto, spicy chilis, with nary a blink.
1750597;1513184815;mircea_popescu;you know apparently lots of (badly brought up) girls go through this "only white things" phase ?
1750598;1513184820;mircea_popescu;musta been in some disney or something
1750599;1513184829;ben_vulpes;it's almost as though they never thought to have the fun of putting novel tastes in the kid's face
1750600;1513184843;mod6;bleach all the foodz
1750601;1513184859;ben_vulpes;(clearly also lacking in the discipline to say "eat what we eat or go to bed hungry")
1750602;1513184906;mircea_popescu;what bed.
1750603;1513184940;mircea_popescu;"love the fucking food or else you do dishes all night and then straight to school at 8am missy"
1750604;1513184948;ben_vulpes;hahaha
1750605;1513184966;mircea_popescu;the reason i deal with 16yos not 6yos becoming ever more apparent.
1750606;1513184987;ben_vulpes;if you let food become such an issue that you're fighting over it at dishwashing age you dun fucked up way the fuck uptree.
1750607;1513185021;mircea_popescu;as they all did.
1750608;1513185033;mircea_popescu;i've yet to encounter this wonder, correctly parented hussy. but who knows, maybe it's just me.
1750609;1513185062;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly that those never reach escape velocity ?
1750610;1513185075;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1750611;1513185080;asciilifeform;now that i couldn't know.
1750612;1513185098;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other alt-milks, http://78.media.tumblr.com/b8af049219fec2d4c22e14cb09813834/tumblr_nkd1a2gZSr1u06pkwo1_500.gif
1750613;1513185106;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well it's your theory!
1750614;1513185133;asciilifeform;nobody said theory had to include a 'why'!11
1750615;1513185144;ben_vulpes;has anyone even "parented  correctly" in history?
1750616;1513185164;asciilifeform;prolly sometime before the sybilline books burned
1750617;1513185208;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, that guy cut down some cherry tree...
1750618;1513185239;ben_vulpes;the washington apocrypha?
1750619;1513185312;mircea_popescu;no good ?
1750620;1513185341;ben_vulpes;just a lie like the rest of the american myth
1750621;1513185358;mircea_popescu;mod6 incidentally, they have it pretty well streamlined. spend a grand or so, hire a boat with crew, go fishing for the whole day.
1750622;1513185366;mircea_popescu;imo very much worth it for the fisherman.
1750623;1513185435;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not very possible. it's easy to believe that "thank you for your leadersheep" cocksuckers a la mccain and what's-his-name-married-ketchup aren't worth pressing for glue. HOWEVER back when the country was poor and the us president depended on the largesse of european middle class to afford a meal in a decent restaurant, they HAD to have had some folk with mettle
1750624;1513185440;mircea_popescu;or otherwise the us'd never have occured.
1750625;1513185482;mircea_popescu;(and yes for MOST of us history, the us president couldn't afford to pay for restaurant meals. fact.)
1750626;1513185503;ben_vulpes;the apple tree was a spectacular spot of marketing; doesn't mean the guy lacked in steel.
1750627;1513185535;mircea_popescu;perhaps. or perhaps vice-versa : apple tree was spectacular bit of steel, marketing cocksuckers trying to take it over.
1750628;1513185550;mircea_popescu;between these two i can't discern.
1750629;1513185557;ben_vulpes;lol right, salary last time i checked as a kid was what, 100k? sounded like lots when i was a kid but today...
1750630;1513185586;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> imo very much worth it for the fisherman. << yah, pretty reasonable for a guided trip.  probably be a blast.
1750631;1513185590;ben_vulpes;moreover, what does sitting prez a la obab even pay for. agent orange clearly living at mar a lago because omfg rats in the white house
1750632;1513185592;mircea_popescu;for the pres ? salary is recent invention.
1750633;1513185661;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes dja mean peperoncinni ? or actual mexican chillies ?
1750634;1513185690;ben_vulpes;the american stew of sloth, poverty, beans, paprika, and various meats
1750635;1513185716;mircea_popescu;tradition in mp's slice of old world is that hot peppers not good for single-digit age kids.
1750636;1513185724;mircea_popescu;"makes them short"
1750637;1513185727;ben_vulpes;still astonished the pantsuits that a) child can eat with spoon and b) would eat something with flavor
1750638;1513185766;ben_vulpes;the retardation with these folks is astonishingly deep: get this. one wife placates her children with an ipad meditation app.
1750639;1513185800;mircea_popescu;how's that work ?
1750640;1513185800;ben_vulpes;because (it gets better), "it works wonders for my most disturbed children at school"
1750641;1513185811;mircea_popescu;but what's it do ?
1750642;1513185819;ben_vulpes;yes, this is a woman who is an american "school counselor" and she interprets her job to be placating kids with fucking ipads
1750643;1513185830;ben_vulpes;there's a spoken word meditation guide and some rhythmic pulsing
1750644;1513185831;phf;clearly, it meditates on the child's behalf
1750645;1513185848;mircea_popescu;to revisit tradition : there are two main strands in "wet nurse pacifying neglected upper class kid his mom dun want" : the irish and the italian.
1750646;1513185868;mircea_popescu;the irish wetnurse mixed whiskey in the milkfeed ; the italian wetnurse masturbated the infant.
1750647;1513185885;mircea_popescu;both strands live and well as late as 1900s.
1750648;1513185917;ben_vulpes;yes well now we have transistors and the high-pixel density hyperattractors
1750649;1513185925;ben_vulpes;and traditional fun is bad.
1750650;1513185937;mircea_popescu;the rhytmic pulsing thing may not be terrible. iirc actually works on mild autism.
1750651;1513185989;ben_vulpes;'tis the hole through which the camels nose comes in.
1750652;1513185993;ben_vulpes;next thing you know they'
1750653;1513186012;ben_vulpes;they'll demand inane child content all day
1750654;1513186029;ben_vulpes;dude the horror that is youtube's autoselected content for wee ones is unplumbable.
1750655;1513186045;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750614 << for my own peace of mind, wtf is a theory in your view ? cuz to my mind, theory = pairing of allegedly observed phenomena with aleged causative factor.
1750656;1513186045;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:12 asciilifeform: nobody said theory had to include a 'why'!11
1750657;1513186051;ben_vulpes;strictly designed to turn the learning part of tiny brains off and turn them into drooling zombies.
1750658;1513186087;phf;ben_vulpes: as far as i understand some of those videos are actually algorithmically generated?
1750659;1513186153;ben_vulpes;some yes! monetization algorithms get the humans to do a lot of the work as well, which helps the whole 'ecosystem' escape local minima
1750660;1513186161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right, causative factor , a->b, but not necessarily includes one for ..->a
1750661;1513186164;phf;apropos, i was always curious if that old school binaural sound generator program from the late 90s could be used to pacify children, but never had a chance to try
1750662;1513186180;asciilifeform;phf: lol, remember 'computernarcotic' ?
1750663;1513186191;mircea_popescu;ic!
1750664;1513186192;asciilifeform;there were a buncha these
1750665;1513186205;*;ben_vulpes not going to try, computronium strictly off-limits to the feeble-minded and children in my house
1750666;1513186219;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that is impossible. nature computes.
1750667;1513186228;ben_vulpes;that's not /computronium/
1750668;1513186233;mircea_popescu;how do you expect digestion works. computational machines ALL THE WAY DOWN
1750669;1513186245;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i used to work with a number of d00dz who had young chillunz, they all bought rubberized tabletrons for'em 'as soon as knew how to hold it'
1750670;1513186250;asciilifeform;was frightening thing.
1750671;1513186252;phf;asciilifeform: i actually bought, at some point, at "garbushka" bazaar, a cd with a psychedelic design, that had an entire collection of all kinds of "computernarcotic" softwares
1750672;1513186259;ben_vulpes;i speak stricly of the miserable agglomeration of transistors with no purpose
1750673;1513186274;mircea_popescu;takes 6.023e23 LUTs per 18kgs of water to FIND LEVEL.
1750674;1513186282;asciilifeform;lol!!
1750675;1513186283;mircea_popescu;but it comes with guarantee : will NEVER fail ; ALWAYS find.
1750676;1513186287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform truths!
1750677;1513186297;*;asciilifeform possibly had an essay re subj even
1750678;1513186300;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: sounds like Real America
1750679;1513186303;mircea_popescu;i think so.
1750680;1513186339;mircea_popescu;this convo somehow ended up so fucking dense i keep having to re-read from behind
1750681;1513186345;mircea_popescu;must be all teh protein.
1750682;1513186348;phf;ben_vulpes: have considering buying him a commodore or somesuch, i.e. a basic repl machine that you can also use to teach him about the meaning of peek/poke?
1750683;1513186349;asciilifeform;lol asciilifeform also rereading
1750684;1513186360;asciilifeform;commodore a++++ recommended
1750685;1513186364;asciilifeform;if you can find a working one
1750686;1513186370;ben_vulpes;i actually caved for a plane ride recently, procured a set of entirely unobjectionable 45-minute videos of various animals tearing each other apart. imagine my fury when the downloadotron had failed to save these for the flight!
1750687;1513186374;asciilifeform;( or a display for it, for that matter )
1750688;1513186393;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750615 << anyway, this is probably going to be a recurring topic.
1750689;1513186393;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:12 ben_vulpes: has anyone even "parented  correctly" in history?
1750690;1513186419;ben_vulpes;phf: some day perhaps, he is well occupied learning to make me breakfast and working on his basic numeracy at the moment
1750691;1513186499;*;phf nods
1750692;1513186519;ben_vulpes;see also: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-10#751952
1750693;1513186519;a111;Logged on 2014-07-10 18:07 benkay: latin, ballroom, the classics, various kinds of combat
1750694;1513186524;phf;did you give him a copy of lord chesterfield's letters to his son? :p
1750695;1513186559;ben_vulpes;phf: haw no but looks grand
1750696;1513186560;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750682 << in retrospect, regarding the matter cooly and with the disinterest of old age, i can affirm that this is ~the only important and enduring portion of computing as an education tool in my life. it's what feeds eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749457 and everything in between ands up to that : the 6yo mp's discovery that there exists a numeric universe underneath, and that it's t
1750697;1513186560;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:32 phf: ben_vulpes: have considering buying him a commodore or somesuch, i.e. a basic repl machine that you can also use to teach him about the meaning of peek/poke?
1750698;1513186560;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 19:40 mircea_popescu: cut through the gringo fleecing zone, and the quicker the better.
1750699;1513186560;mircea_popescu;he only reliable and effectual fabric of reality.
1750700;1513186568;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/13/midwester-rube-on-uruguay-one-week-in/ << Bingo Blog - Midwester Rube On Uruguay One Week In
1750701;1513186583;mircea_popescu;peek and poke.
1750702;1513186586;asciilifeform;^^^
1750703;1513186637;mircea_popescu;this is a revelation ticos, for instance, by and large never achieved ; and you will be surprised if you examine young slavegirl hopefuls, in that they also, do not see the world as mere covers stretched on a numeric structure.
1750704;1513186645;asciilifeform;i have yet to meet, i think, a d00d worth half a shit on a comp , who didn't grow up with a 8bit micro
1750705;1513186718;mircea_popescu;amusing what iniquity this brings, seeing how fucking terrible i am, and yet by 8bit priviledge...
1750706;1513186725;phf;"my son is so smart, he really understands the technology!! he plays with his ipad all day" on the other hand
1750707;1513186765;mircea_popescu;a lot of smarter folk put A LOT more work than i ever did into "modern computing plarform" and didn't get as much out of it.
1750708;1513186792;asciilifeform;that's what makes idiotrons destructive -- they can absorb ~infinite sweat, work, brain cycles, and give back nuffin
1750709;1513186807;asciilifeform;can you picture what's left of a man after 20 yrs of javascript ?
1750710;1513186821;mircea_popescu;no.
1750711;1513186836;asciilifeform;'miner's lung' for the mind.
1750712;1513186949;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750625 << dunno re this. iirc washington was one of the megaplantators of his time ( albeit by marriage ). jefferson not exactly 'poorfag' either.
1750713;1513186949;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:18 mircea_popescu: (and yes for MOST of us history, the us president couldn't afford to pay for restaurant meals. fact.)
1750714;1513186993;mircea_popescu;very poor.
1750715;1513187004;asciilifeform;by standard of euro royal houses -- poor. by local standards ?
1750716;1513187009;mircea_popescu;french not-even-rich guy gambled away in one night the income for 100 square kilometers of plantation
1750717;1513187020;mircea_popescu;IN EUROPE. new world didn't make similar revenue per acre until 1920.
1750718;1513187025;phf;jefferson has a lot of lulzy stories of balling out while he was an ambassador to france. he's also the person who advocated 10 year (5?) debt removal system, being perpetually in debt
1750719;1513187035;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no such thing as restaurant outside of paris, vienna, and a few more.
1750720;1513187040;mircea_popescu;took london a while to get one, even.
1750721;1513187071;mircea_popescu;phf word. numerous stories, as far as eu was concerned, us were a sort of you know, haitians.
1750722;1513187098;mircea_popescu;so -- yes washington was mega plantor ; yes this is respectable ; no it wouldn't have bought him a set of dandy shirts.
1750723;1513187132;asciilifeform;i dun think anybody imagined the plantators being loaded by euro standard.
1750724;1513187135;phf;american "founding fathers" in a lot of ways remind me of the three musketeers" "i sold this ring from a countess that i fuck, let's go have some proper food"
1750725;1513187140;mircea_popescu;^
1750726;1513187169;asciilifeform;not far from where asciilifeform lives , there is a preserved manor house from enormous plantation, that once covered what is now 4 or so townships. the house is quite tame by even timisoara standards.
1750727;1513187248;mircea_popescu;timisoara was a major center in the 1700s and 1800s.
1750728;1513187289;asciilifeform;what 'rich' means muchly depends on locale. 'rich chukcha' has moar deer, i imagine. rich plantator -- moar ground. but there is not a habsburg house for him to live in, he cannot buy it any more than he could have bought a pdp-8
1750729;1513187299;mircea_popescu;to prove this, i bring the following point : in http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ the lord of swabia complains that the city council won't get him stuff that, by the standards of the empire';s holds in belgrade, would be very modest.
1750730;1513187303;mircea_popescu;timisoara was the sister city.
1750731;1513187395;mircea_popescu;(the film is exceptional in that it summarily but correctly renders the early capitalism dissolution of traditional feudalism : the lord wants a "ballet" so as to line up the nubile daughters of the land for feeling up ; the councilmen do not wish to give him ~the money~ to make one because it's their fucking daughters. capital exists, in the early modern phase, to dissolve the traditional family, in the strict sense of liber
1750732;1513187395;mircea_popescu;alizing the women market.)
1750733;1513187477;mircea_popescu;the propagandistic aim of the film is to propose that the agent of this dissolution was the ethnic jew. which... well, it's a dubious point like all truths of propaganda. but the thing it DISTRACTS from is that... without women market there's no modernity, which is to say no "progress" or steam engine. a point poorly diggested by the councilmen of the peasantry,
1750734;1513187525;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even nao not everybody's sold on this modernity thing -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749994
1750735;1513187525;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 23:41 mircea_popescu: he doesn't specifically care if it's 1500s german peasant life, ie, outright medieval peonage. just as long.
1750736;1513187527;mircea_popescu;and THIS is why jefferson advocated nonsense : not because "he was perpetually in debt", but because the style of womenholding he had grown up in and preferred was untenable. which is why he was in debt and also why he was pro silkver and everyhing else : feudal lord wanting to compete with the moderns and discovering he can't, and that the cuntlets dun care.
1750737;1513187551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know. but i sure as fuck am not contemplating "a woman for every man and who cares what she looks like" nonsense.
1750738;1513187574;asciilifeform;dunno that jefferson subscribed to it, at least in this formulation
1750739;1513187597;mircea_popescu;(amusingly, the "balabusta" concept, which is used in romanian to denote a fat GYPSY woman, but actually is a jewish word denoting a comme il faut (ie, fat) housewife is proof positive thjat the jews were in fact even more traditional than the peasants that hated them)_
1750740;1513187603;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform evidently did.
1750741;1513187620;mircea_popescu;that he cheated it is no proof against ; but on the contrary, proof he did.
1750742;1513187627;mircea_popescu;you can't cheat rules you don't believe.
1750743;1513187644;*;asciilifeform at one time took a stab at reading jefferson, to try to find out what specifically the man subscribed to. but walked away with picture 'was simply prolix d00d who couldn't manage his 'creditcard', nuffintowritehomeabout'
1750744;1513187686;mircea_popescu;my reading was slightly different. "strange sort of new world equivalent of old world aristocracy, stranded in incomprehension through lack of language and, properly speaking, any sort of tradition supporting him"
1750745;1513187706;mircea_popescu;the closest conceivable item, the haiti plantationeers, spoke french.
1750746;1513187763;asciilifeform;j gave the impression of longing for his one troo motherland, france-with-platinum-creditcard-on-expenseaccount
1750747;1513187769;mircea_popescu;see ?
1750748;1513187777;mircea_popescu;he wanted to be the duke of rohan.
1750749;1513187830;mircea_popescu;henri thomas, duc de rohan.
1750750;1513187865;mircea_popescu;why louis antoine and not henri thomas ? LIFE IS SO UNFARE
1750751;1513187890;BingoBoingo;And instead Jefferson became duke of Appalacia.
1750752;1513187907;mircea_popescu; https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Antoine_de_Rohan-Chabot << item
1750753;1513187913;BingoBoingo;Folk hero nobel of the hill people.
1750754;1513187941;BingoBoingo;brb, stroll
1750755;1513187942;mircea_popescu;doesn't pay as much as... BingoBoingo you know that line, "it doesn't profit a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world... but for Wales ??!"
1750756;1513187954;mircea_popescu;ozarks are like... the altcoin of wales.
1750757;1513187955;BingoBoingo;lol
1750758;1513188304;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750644 << is there something more fun than pestering the meditation-type chick while she's trying to ?
1750759;1513188304;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:23 phf: clearly, it meditates on the child's behalf
1750760;1513188316;mircea_popescu;"hey, you're supposed to not get angry!"
1750761;1513188471;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750654 << well i wasn't proposing it hasta be on ipads obv
1750762;1513188471;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:27 ben_vulpes: dude the horror that is youtube's autoselected content for wee ones is unplumbable.
1750763;1513188631;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750659 << word! the WHOLE schtick with the "monetization" nonsense is 100% "hey kid... wanna take a job with no security, no insurance and subminimum wage ?" ; ie "This is the system.   If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox
1750764;1513188631;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:29 ben_vulpes: some yes! monetization algorithms get the humans to do a lot of the work as well, which helps the whole 'ecosystem' escape local minima
1750765;1513188631;mircea_popescu;affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals."  Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that. The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist
1750766;1513188633;mircea_popescu; at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for The Man (but with no pension.)  That's the system.  Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid." on steroids.
1750767;1513188668;asciilifeform;ahahaha it's from that piece that he deleted
1750768;1513188707;mircea_popescu;yup.
1750769;1513188712;mircea_popescu;great piece, too.
1750770;1513188729;mircea_popescu;in fact, the item that brought him to my attention.
1750771;1513188778;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's eyes also that was the piece that made the d00d stand up from the background hiss
1750772;1513188821;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750661 a better question is why exactly does one want to pacify them. god knows the erect penis is the only item in short supply, why fuck with it. how about instead of spedning a dime to "pacify", spend the dime to buy more acreage ; get them a dog and don't let them back in the house until the dog's not so exhausted it can't stand up.
1750773;1513188821;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:29 phf: apropos, i was always curious if that old school binaural sound generator program from the late 90s could be used to pacify children, but never had a chance to try
1750774;1513188846;asciilifeform;dime lol
1750775;1513188883;mircea_popescu;as a kid what i did with my time was that i ran up three flights of stairs to drink (straight from the faucet, who the everloving fuck has the time or the patience for glasses!) a stomachfull of water, then run back down and keep fucking running.
1750776;1513188899;mircea_popescu;this bookended by full jars of jam on either side carried me well into two digit age.
1750777;1513188928;asciilifeform;for typical usaschwitz inmate, 'acreage' is measured either in decimal 'dust' fluff ( if mortgagist ) or in big fat 0 ( if urban zek ) . but mircea_popescu probably knew this.
1750778;1513188961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i lived (with 10`000 other kids all my exact age) in a purely hruscheba neighbourhood ; to the point i was SUSPICIOUS of traditional houses.
1750779;1513188967;mircea_popescu;but asciilifeform perhaps also knew this.
1750780;1513188993;asciilifeform;aha. if mircea_popescu's orcistan looked anything like the old-town of timis, then it looked quite like asciilifeform's.
1750781;1513189005;asciilifeform;but they dun have these in usa, afaik.
1750782;1513189008;mircea_popescu;mmm lessee, must be some pix
1750783;1513189023;mircea_popescu;it was called... the aurora!
1750784;1513189050;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Blick_%C3%BCber_den_S%C3%BCden_von_Cluj.JPG << there
1750785;1513189053;*;asciilifeform sings 'что тебе снится, крейсер аврора...'
1750786;1513189081;mircea_popescu;aha lol
1750787;1513189092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how much of the old-times flats still stand ?
1750788;1513189099;mircea_popescu;all those were there when i was 5
1750789;1513189102;asciilifeform;neato.
1750790;1513189105;mircea_popescu;the pic looks recent
1750791;1513189115;asciilifeform;troo
1750792;1513189134;mircea_popescu;taller item on down right is a hospital actually. the rest, typical ro 4+1 double-sided apt buildings, 3 rooms and 4 rooms, for 2 parents + 2 kids.
1750793;1513189137;asciilifeform;dish antennae, toyotas.
1750794;1513189140;mircea_popescu;it wasn't even a bad design tbh
1750795;1513189213;mircea_popescu;anyway, this item ran for maybe 10 or 20 sqm, in which there were however many thousands of the blocks they could fit.
1750796;1513189243;mircea_popescu;it was almost entirely built late 60s and throughout 70s, and populated as it was built.
1750797;1513189340;asciilifeform;asciilifeform must confess, that he did not live in a hurscheba-type until it was almost time for the airplane ( after the ancestral home , an early 1900s flat , had been sold )
1750798;1513189368;asciilifeform;i recall asking why is the ceiling low, and nobody had answer.
1750799;1513189381;mircea_popescu;there was answer! "cheaper to heat"!
1750800;1513189385;asciilifeform;well noshit
1750801;1513189391;asciilifeform;and moar plebes per cubometre
1750802;1513189429;mircea_popescu;honeslty i much preferred the density. made all sorts of буржуй bullshit untenable and plain-evidently not desirable.
1750803;1513189439;asciilifeform;oh hm like what ?
1750804;1513189440;mircea_popescu;such as having to explain why she's supposed to strip.
1750805;1513189484;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of idle and stupid pompousness "traditional" society still clinged to after ww2 in europe.
1750806;1513189530;mircea_popescu;possibly the lowest precious cuntlet factor i ever encountered in my life ; and i personally credit the active male population and high density.
1750807;1513189550;phf;^
1750808;1513189572;asciilifeform;what exactly is a 'precious cuntlet'
1750809;1513189573;mircea_popescu;moscow same deal ?
1750810;1513189587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aspect of the coy behaviour.
1750811;1513189593;phf;yeah, pretty much
1750812;1513189614;mircea_popescu;i am somehow not surprised.
1750813;1513189628;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aka недавашка ?
1750814;1513189635;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the happy female is plain and direct. the poorly quartered female is neurotic and generally obnoxious.
1750815;1513189646;asciilifeform;( is there a straight ro equiv word ..? )
1750816;1513189670;phf;i suspect downtown, where they had "early 1900s flat"s, it was a bit different, but on the periphery of the city, where they had "sleeping neighborhoods" it was pretty much the same as described. (we had 15 storied buildings with a slightly more space in between instead)
1750817;1513189701;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there isn't ; chiefly because the old folk didn't want to think about it and the kids such as me had no idea it even existed. "suspicious of trad houses" hides a lot of meaning.
1750818;1513189739;asciilifeform;i ended up, briefly , in a 15 . gotta wonder where the 15 came from , possibly it is 'tallest that folx can endure regularly walking up to with groceries , given that lift ~never works'
1750819;1513189751;mircea_popescu;lifts worked.
1750820;1513189759;asciilifeform;woah
1750821;1513189760;asciilifeform;high-tech.
1750822;1513189770;mircea_popescu;transylvania had this great advantage over run of the mill russo-kirghizstan, in that it was old crown land.
1750823;1513189781;mircea_popescu;ALL SORTS of bs the sovtards were doing other places never happened here.
1750824;1513189797;phf;i don't think i've ever seen a non-working lift in moscow! certainly never two (and there's always two in those 15s) at the same time
1750825;1513189797;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, myeah; worked as long as there was electricity; and if you lived in a town with any big industry,there would be random blackouts meaning you'd get stuck in the lift between floors
1750826;1513189826;phf;oh yeah, the electricity thing…
1750827;1513189826;mircea_popescu;diana_coman but cluj wasn't slatina. it had... computers and chocolate factory and panties and you know... large campus for all the arab friends.
1750828;1513189841;mircea_popescu;i don't recall the power ever going out.
1750829;1513189844;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder.
1750830;1513189856;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, well, not exactly industrial city, what
1750831;1513189861;mircea_popescu;phf yeah but odessa is not moscow :D
1750832;1513189888;mircea_popescu;now, the gasoline, that was a major fucking issue.
1750833;1513189907;mircea_popescu;you could have i dun recall, maybe 10 galons/mo ? and the queues looked almost like modern traffic jams.
1750834;1513189910;asciilifeform;by all accounts moscow and rest-of-su were just about separate planets.
1750835;1513189922;diana_coman;at least that: in ploiesti you could get it ...probably even directly from the air I suppose
1750836;1513189929;mircea_popescu;i expect lol.
1750837;1513189939;mircea_popescu;buncha people actually used toluene
1750838;1513189949;mircea_popescu;stolen from the paint factory.
1750839;1513189970;asciilifeform;( consider the often-used 'light' punishment in su penal code : 'the 101st kilometre' . i.e. exile-from-moscow. )
1750840;1513189992;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lift discussion notwithstanding, ~best possible thing that can happen to a girl is to spend her 6 to 16 decade going up and down 12 flights of stairs 12+ times each day.
1750841;1513189994;mircea_popescu;dat ass...
1750842;1513190012;asciilifeform;nao this is so.
1750843;1513190028;mircea_popescu;buy her heels and fresh beef and let her be.
1750844;1513190326;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750671 << my interest in that stuff was limited to those "unfocus eyes for 3d" things ; and fractals ; and shit like that.
1750845;1513190326;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:30 phf: asciilifeform: i actually bought, at some point, at "garbushka" bazaar, a cd with a psychedelic design, that had an entire collection of all kinds of "computernarcotic" softwares
1750846;1513190377;mircea_popescu;wtf is the "psychedelic" supposed to do, i never could figure out. all sort and manner of kids were into all sorta manner of "psychedleic" bullcrap, from special light-things to "interpret" the music (installed eg under car seats! made the whole experience fucking nauseous) to what have you. but... why ?
1750847;1513190381;mircea_popescu;the why was never answered.
1750848;1513190418;phf;that was basically what it was. i think there was maybe 3 total "cyberdrug" programs, but the rest was basically visualizers and sound generators lifted from all over
1750849;1513190437;asciilifeform;kidz alsowanted to know the 'why'. is, i suppose, why they did it.
1750850;1513190458;mircea_popescu;there was a mp3 player that ran on the 286, i played clayderman on it while the dots moved. i guess it was kinda cool, or at least teh girls liked it lots.\
1750851;1513190473;mircea_popescu;"O WOW TECHNOLOGY!" ~that~ was the technology. somehow.
1750852;1513190474;asciilifeform;sorta what a kid is, neh, this brownian-motion probe that goes and first does, ~then~ possibly finds out 'why', if it lives.
1750853;1513190489;mircea_popescu;that is true
1750854;1513190496;phf;there was for example the game of life editor/simulator and at the same time winamp with a bunch of plugins bundled
1750855;1513190512;mircea_popescu;this wasn't winamp... wtf was it...
1750856;1513190595;mircea_popescu;no soundblaster or anything, used the speaker. i imagine it cheated and clipped to 16 bit.
1750857;1513190603;mircea_popescu;MPEG only sorta thing.
1750858;1513190630;asciilifeform;afaik no sound decompressor worked worth half a shit on 386 and pre
1750859;1513190636;asciilifeform;was all straight 8b pcm
1750860;1513190641;phf;well, winamp had a visualizer plugin for it, written by a democoder guy who went into gaming (he did, for example, the visualizer for the original xbox). it was a kind of visuals construction kit
1750861;1513190659;mircea_popescu;gah i wish i remembered wtf it was called. it actually had equalizers and shit. 640px vga too
1750862;1513190672;asciilifeform;and was played using clever method , where normally '1-bit' pc speaker membrane was allowed to travel 'partial' way , squeezing extra 'bitness'
1750863;1513190675;mircea_popescu;phf yeah but this sounds like 486 fare
1750864;1513190684;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha!
1750865;1513190693;asciilifeform;you could know that a proggy used this method if you tried to run it on a comp with piezo beeper: would sound like rubbish
1750866;1513190699;mircea_popescu;yup!
1750867;1513190713;asciilifeform;e.g. msdos megagame 'star control 2' used this type of audio
1750868;1513190716;asciilifeform;and a few others
1750869;1513190724;asciilifeform;but afaik was mostly a 'demo' item.
1750870;1513190726;mircea_popescu;molst of the better ones did. they towards the end managed even VOICE
1750871;1513190735;mircea_popescu;!~google crime wave dos game
1750872;1513190736;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Crime Wave DOS Longplay (1/4) - YouTube: ; Download Crime Wave | Abandonia: ; Crime Wave | ClassicReload.com: 
1750873;1513190740;*;asciilifeform recalls.
1750874;1513190751;phf;hehe
1750875;1513190753;asciilifeform;it ate 100% cpu tho
1750876;1513190756;asciilifeform;so was used sparingly
1750877;1513190766;phf;could be played on my dad's computer at the NII though :p
1750878;1513190775;mircea_popescu;lol
1750879;1513190804;mircea_popescu;http://www.abandonia.com/files/games/535/Crime%20Wave_8.png
1750880;1513190823;asciilifeform;woah, vga!!
1750881;1513190825;mircea_popescu;yup
1750882;1513190841;*;asciilifeform never saw a colour comp display until usa
1750883;1513190875;phf;i've actually tried playing it quite recently, i couldn't get more than 2 screens forward. i've gotten soft with these modern "video games"
1750884;1513190894;mircea_popescu;that game actually owned any possible videogame store item, they had those quarter operated console things ?
1750885;1513190936;mircea_popescu;phf i recently mastered captain comic with my sister. we used to play it (she shot) when she was like...5 ; then we ACTUALLY managed to finish it, for the first time ever. she was more like 25.
1750886;1513190985;mircea_popescu;!~google cat dos game
1750887;1513190986;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Alley Cat - DOS Nostalgia #1 - YouTube: ; Alley Cat (video game ) - Wikipedia: ; Download Alley Cat | DOS Games Archive: 
1750888;1513190989;mircea_popescu;YEAH!
1750889;1513190994;asciilifeform;that was my 2nd ever game
1750890;1513190994;mircea_popescu;anyone recall that one ? you're an alley cat ?
1750891;1513190996;asciilifeform;after 'digger'
1750892;1513191001;mircea_popescu;manic miner ?
1750893;1513191003;asciilifeform;i still have 'alley cat'. on hp 200lx.
1750894;1513191008;mircea_popescu;lol
1750895;1513191018;asciilifeform;!~google digger windmill software
1750896;1513191019;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Digger : Windmill Software : Free Streaming : Internet Archive: ; Digger (1983, Windmill Software ) Gameplay - YouTube: ; Digger - Back and Digitally Remastered: 
1750897;1513191026;mircea_popescu;oh
1750898;1513191041;mircea_popescu;!~google chuckie egg dos game
1750899;1513191042;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Download Chuckie Egg - My Abandonware: ; Play Chuckie Egg Online - My Abandonware: ; Chuckie Egg gameplay ( PC Game , 1983) - YouTube: 
1750900;1513191054;mircea_popescu;aha! that was my 2nd i think ; after the jumping jack one
1750901;1513191074;asciilifeform;hm 'egg' loox like a 'lode runner' clone.
1750902;1513191086;mircea_popescu;q possibly.
1750903;1513191089;phf;mircea_popescu: alley cat triggers some ~really~ old memories, i.e. i played it before i even have conscious awareness of things
1750904;1513191103;asciilifeform;^^
1750905;1513191126;asciilifeform;recall the room with the cheese ?
1750906;1513191211;phf;there's actually a bunch of games that i only have a vague awareness of that i only spent an hour or two playing at various research facilities and construction sites
1750907;1513191229;asciilifeform;!#s hard hat mack
1750908;1513191230;a111;1 result for "hard hat mack", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hard%20hat%20mack
1750909;1513191260;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-19#516664 << subj
1750910;1513191260;a111;Logged on 2014-02-19 15:51 asciilifeform: brother and i played this on our 'Iskra' (xt clone) and combed three different dictionaries to learn what the fuck an osha is
1750911;1513191335;mircea_popescu;it got my mom off gaming for life ; at first she was kinda into it, but then lost track and burned a steak. got so pissed off she swore off gaminf forever! and stuck to it.
1750912;1513191336;mircea_popescu;in retrospect, apity.
1750913;1513191336;mircea_popescu;phf apparently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750670 exaggeration then ?
1750914;1513191336;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:30 asciilifeform: was frightening thing.
1750915;1513191369;asciilifeform;lol rly will compare ipadistry to good ol' proper gamez ??
1750916;1513191375;mircea_popescu;incidentally mod6 : when you say #6 is it like 300 pellet load or like 200 pellet load ? apparently eu and us terminology manages to differ on one more thing
1750917;1513191376;phf;mircea_popescu: i started contemplating the same thing as soon as i said it :)
1750918;1513191390;mircea_popescu;anyway, duck shot generally 80-100 per.
1750919;1513191415;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha! and they did this dance, six cats dancing if you did really well. drove my sister up the wall
1750920;1513191427;mircea_popescu;(she could never do it, small kid.)
1750921;1513191454;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can even now recall the sound.
1750922;1513191462;mircea_popescu;aha some sort of squeak
1750923;1513191507;phf;it is possible that in those situations they deemed it safer to pacify me with a video game, than to let me roam free. although the thinking was probably more a long the lines of "let this young kinder experience this thing that he won't normally, because the computer he's playing on is otherwise used to design important shit and was smuggled through border by tov. popov on his recent trip to CERN" or somesuch
1750924;1513191540;mircea_popescu;right. in other words : let the kid eat the fucking berries, and if it kills him fuck him ; and fuck you too so you get another one
1750925;1513191542;asciilifeform;phf: i had somewhat different kind of 'pusher' in re gamez -- elder brother whose machine it was, and strictly rationed
1750926;1513191560;asciilifeform;he had it , picture this, at home. unfathomable luxury
1750927;1513191570;mircea_popescu;i had it in the livingroom too.
1750928;1513191579;mircea_popescu;i wasn't supposed to "do too much" because "ruin eyes".
1750929;1513191582;mircea_popescu;did not ruin any eyes.
1750930;1513191592;*;asciilifeform eventually ruined eyes,.
1750931;1513191612;asciilifeform;( possibly seealso mircea_popescu's thread re weak cancerous meat )
1750932;1513191628;mircea_popescu;i was gonna say "yeah but through masturbation not computation" but then i abstained.
1750933;1513191632;asciilifeform;lol
1750934;1513191638;mircea_popescu;at least briefly :D
1750935;1513191649;mircea_popescu;(geddit ? ab-stained ?)
1750936;1513191674;ben_vulpes;ugh
1750937;1513191996;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750685 << the problem isn't finding a working one ; fuck, you can prolly MAKE one, and in less time than it takes woman to make you the kid.
1750938;1513191996;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:32 asciilifeform: if you can find a working one
1750939;1513192008;mircea_popescu;the problem is that IT WAS THE PEAK. go, re-make that, if you can.
1750940;1513192037;asciilifeform;ain't this rather like asking latin teacher 'nao go and remake republic of rome!'
1750941;1513192038;mircea_popescu;item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me"
1750942;1513192051;asciilifeform;can't remake republic of rome, no. but can still latin.
1750943;1513192052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, what's needed is what's needed ; not up to me.
1750944;1513192059;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not as a 6yo.
1750945;1513192071;asciilifeform;why exactly not
1750946;1513192084;mircea_popescu;because 6yo will speak whatever the cocksucker that didn't speaks.
1750947;1513192092;mircea_popescu;dja know any latin speaking hussies ?
1750948;1513192115;asciilifeform;maybe in that one ro province mircea_popescu wrote about, where togas
1750949;1513192116;mircea_popescu;(decryption key : pregnant woman = cocksucker that didn't)
1750950;1513192131;mircea_popescu;that thing was kinda ended / in any case ending by 1920s.
1750951;1513192141;asciilifeform;sux.
1750952;1513192160;asciilifeform;and here i was just about ready for buying ticket!11
1750953;1513192185;mircea_popescu;hey, ticket you can buy.
1750954;1513192245;mircea_popescu;teh ticketbuying -- works.
1750955;1513192253;asciilifeform;i'd like to revisit upstack http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750941 . i suspect the magic of 8bit micro can still stand . even next to crapple.
1750956;1513192253;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 19:07 mircea_popescu: item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me"
1750957;1513192260;asciilifeform;because ~manipulable~ by the kid.
1750958;1513192263;mircea_popescu;to kid eyes ?
1750959;1513192265;asciilifeform;aha.
1750960;1513192266;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1750961;1513192279;asciilifeform;commodore stood up to comparison with e.g. nintendo.
1750962;1513192284;asciilifeform;for young asciilifeform
1750963;1513192313;mircea_popescu;for ~everyone, only bedwetting pussies had whatever you called those non-computer gamestation things
1750964;1513192337;asciilifeform;in usa they were pestilentially common
1750965;1513192341;asciilifeform;still are, as i'm told
1750966;1513192355;asciilifeform;and i still dunget it. dafuq, box that forces you to BUY gamez!
1750967;1513192355;mircea_popescu;the despisement such heresy enjoyed in little mp's circle was only matched by the sort of folk that'd listen to depeche mode.
1750968;1513192398;mircea_popescu;(first, and for many years ONLY meaning i had for "faggot" ie "homalau" in ro was... "actually listens to depeche mode")
1750969;1513192444;mircea_popescu;the notion that they ALSO do butt things came as a much later discovery, and unsurprising! and not even germane. the core still remained the "wtf is this dumb shit" musical taste.
1750970;1513192458;mircea_popescu;but then... electronic music happened and omfg.
1750971;1513192560;mircea_popescu;anwyay, perhaps there's something to alf's hope, in point of fact the criteria was very much "but can't poke the code". that you had to buy cartridges didn't even necessarily land, because evidently if you had some and your friends had some you couldn't play them all at the same time.
1750972;1513192579;mircea_popescu;you also had to buy the casette tapes, so often we didn't bother, just kept trading like a sort of library service.
1750973;1513192844;asciilifeform;thing is, 80s micros had the rom basic. so cassette was really optional, could enter simple gamez from paper, if wholly starved for 'sneakernet'
1750974;1513192859;asciilifeform;and much of the 'formative' aspect was precisely the romtronic prompt
1750975;1513192892;mircea_popescu;well i think i'd have scrounged together the two bux for a RAKS blank before i spent two days typing in
1750976;1513192908;asciilifeform;not everybody had the proper tape deck
1750977;1513192921;mircea_popescu;what did you use btw ? iirc raks was teh tape
1750978;1513192922;asciilifeform;( for e.g. bk0010, you needed specifically one ~without~ equalizer thing )
1750979;1513192941;mircea_popescu;at some point they came out with a 90minute tape, kicked all ass.
1750980;1513192966;asciilifeform;funnily enough i did not program the 'iskra', was small, programmed already 'commodore' ( and inherited a 8086 a few yrs after )
1750981;1513192981;mircea_popescu;https://news.avclub.com/take-a-tour-of-the-last-audio-cassette-factory-in-exist-1798284330 speaking of.
1750982;1513192983;asciilifeform;the commodore had -- luxury!! -- the 5inch disk drive.
1750983;1513192992;*;asciilifeform still has it...
1750984;1513192994;mircea_popescu;5 inch ?!
1750985;1513193003;mircea_popescu;oh disk, i was thinking flexible diskette thing
1750986;1513193011;asciilifeform;5.25
1750987;1513193028;asciilifeform;!~google 1541 disk drive
1750988;1513193029;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Commodore 1541 - Wikipedia: ; Commodore Vintage Computer Floppy Drive | eBay: ; Commodore 1541 -ii Floppy Disk Drive for C64 | eBay: 
1750989;1513193032;asciilifeform;^ subj
1750990;1513193034;mircea_popescu;aha
1750991;1513193045;asciilifeform;the one infamous for faster cpu than the comp it connected to
1750992;1513193070;mircea_popescu;lol.
1750993;1513193071;asciilifeform;and costing moar than the comp as well.
1750994;1513193127;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750708 << incidentally re this, following the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750128 divide, it may very well be the case that to pantsuit, it appears as opposite! it is GOOD for the exact reason you judge it dangerous.
1750995;1513193127;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 17:39 asciilifeform: that's what makes idiotrons destructive -- they can absorb ~infinite sweat, work, brain cycles, and give back nuffin
1750996;1513193127;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 00:51 mircea_popescu: i suppose this reduces the discussion to "there's two kinds of bipedals, the monkey and the human. the monkey dedicates itself to building wail groups, and the human to not needing to."
1750997;1513193151;asciilifeform;i dun get it ?
1750998;1513193157;mircea_popescu;consider : what makes a bad penis ? that you can rub it all you want and STILL it won't spit out. but what makes a good cunt ? that you can pound it all you want and STILL it won't in any way change.
1750999;1513193178;mircea_popescu;for the pantsuit, the fact that it will soak up with no change or other effect all the time/effort/cyckles etc you put into it IS A SELLING POINT.
1751000;1513193185;asciilifeform;aaa
1751001;1513193193;mircea_popescu;ecological item-unit, can be stored in the wall and "keep happy" large population of... well...
1751002;1513193260;mircea_popescu;that is after all the point, neh, to somehow get as large a headcount as possible through the various gates (born, college, credit cards, mortgage, retirement hgome etc) WITHOUT "harming the environment" which in any practical sesne means... without changing anything.
1751003;1513193269;asciilifeform;to revisit the micros : it is interesting that NOBODY today makes a comp of any description that presents the eye with a programmable prompt immediately on power up.
1751004;1513193285;asciilifeform;as, e.g., commodore, bk, apple1/2, sinclair, mircea_popescutron, etc. did.
1751005;1513193296;mircea_popescu;well technically they first loaded basic
1751006;1513193305;asciilifeform;rom basic
1751007;1513193306;asciilifeform;what load.
1751008;1513193307;mircea_popescu;not so different then from "first loads kernel, then here's your terminal"
1751009;1513193323;asciilifeform;commodore had blinking ready cursor immediately when you flipped power switch.
1751010;1513193331;asciilifeform;because rom.
1751011;1513193331;mircea_popescu;not immediately. took .3 or so
1751012;1513193338;mircea_popescu;because rom but it actually did move it about
1751013;1513193355;asciilifeform;it did, but i never noticed with naked eye. prolly because tv had to warm.
1751014;1513193368;mircea_popescu;yes, but... was still there.
1751015;1513193369;asciilifeform;booted faster than ye olde crt.
1751016;1513193394;*;mircea_popescu once spent hours pushing the reset button trying to figure out the pattern on the screen
1751017;1513193405;asciilifeform;( and iirc classical crapples executed the rombasic directly from rom, so 0 boot )
1751018;1513193412;mircea_popescu;(z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying)
1751019;1513193429;asciilifeform;commodore did the copy-to-ram thing to win the owner a 'cheat' of usable address space
1751020;1513193436;mircea_popescu;aha.
1751021;1513193437;asciilifeform;you could actually use all 64kB if you overwrote the basic
1751022;1513193447;asciilifeform;( which you could not, if it lived in rom )
1751023;1513193452;mircea_popescu;yup.
1751024;1513193486;asciilifeform;the reason this was doable, was that mos6510 -- unlike ye olde 6502 -- had an extra register, that gave you 6 flippable bits , nonmemorymapped; and you could bank-switch with it
1751025;1513193499;asciilifeform;tiny, seemingly, change, but made for whole new kind of micro
1751026;1513193528;asciilifeform;( i.e. rom got deselected after being copied to ram , so did not sit and uselessly hog addr space )
1751027;1513193537;mircea_popescu;yup.
1751028;1513193544;mircea_popescu;major tech advance, this was, for teh era.
1751029;1513193554;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> incidentally mod6 : when you say #6 is it like 300 pellet load or like 200 pellet load ? apparently eu and us terminology manages to differ on one more thing << It looks like #6 shot pellets are .11" in di., which makes about 225 pellets per oz.
1751030;1513193562;mircea_popescu;aha.
1751031;1513193579;mircea_popescu;yeah, so if you actually do tungsten steel shot for duck, you want like 100.
1751032;1513193586;mircea_popescu;lead imo not the best choice.
1751033;1513193587;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one of asciilifeform's persistent crackpotteries, is to reforge this sword. i.e. make comp that fits in kid head .
1751034;1513193596;mircea_popescu;not a bad angle tbh.
1751035;1513193648;asciilifeform;( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677537 approach. )
1751036;1513193648;a111;Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta'
1751037;1513193662;*;phf would also like to use same computer for general computing
1751038;1513193671;asciilifeform;phf: naturally same computer.
1751039;1513193683;asciilifeform;it is to this day my belief that a comp that dun fit-in-kid-head is broken by design.
1751040;1513193697;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> lead imo not the best choice.  << ah. one reason that i prefer lead over steel shot is that it tends to not break my teeth when I bite into one.
1751041;1513193709;mircea_popescu;im not so certain of that ; most plowing happens happily with plows the ploughsmen could not replicate.
1751042;1513193726;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah but at larger distance / larger size it kinda taints the meat.
1751043;1513193740;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody said kid oughta know how to smelt the sand, gassify fluorine, etch chipz.
1751044;1513193742;mod6;true enough too.
1751045;1513193757;asciilifeform;but to know what makes the program -- oughta.
1751046;1513193766;mircea_popescu;problem of temperatures etc. if you keep it small sure, but as it grows gets more energy... not so good, leadcooked duck.
1751047;1513194010;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751018 << they all did this, because 'randomized' memory on boot ( no addr lines were wasted making video switchable on/off , so you could see the rubbish when power came up )
1751048;1513194010;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 19:30 mircea_popescu: (z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying)
1751049;1513194025;mircea_popescu;aha.
1751050;1513194026;asciilifeform;it was asciilifeform's first close-up playing with 'random'
1751051;1513194058;mircea_popescu;incidentally, it's this type of thing that makes it good. kid's eternal interest, once he gets out of learning his mom's language, is figuring out THE SECRET of dad's tools.
1751052;1513194063;mircea_popescu;because evidently there's secrets.
1751053;1513194089;mircea_popescu;and with a well compressed, angry item like the z80, there's plenty of such "accidentally caught glimpse of santa naked" events
1751054;1513194102;asciilifeform;re tools, asciilifeform was given saws, nails, hammers, then wires, diodes, etc long before comp
1751055;1513194114;mircea_popescu;yes but what can you do with a saw.
1751056;1513194136;mircea_popescu;"could diodeman beat up hammerguy???"
1751057;1513194152;asciilifeform;you'd think not much. but can even more readily learn 'reality has a shape and a resistance-of-medium objectively' than with comp.
1751058;1513194161;mircea_popescu;true.
1751059;1513194184;asciilifeform;i actually wish , in retrospect, that i'd had an extra year of saw, hammer, before comp.
1751060;1513194202;mircea_popescu;cnc mill|!
1751061;1513194213;asciilifeform;lol
1751062;1513194231;mircea_popescu;we had a tired old horizontal mill as 11-12-13yos.
1751063;1513194242;mircea_popescu;"practical studies" or something. the girls knitted.
1751064;1513194251;mircea_popescu;an hour a week.
1751065;1513194273;asciilifeform;phunphakt : in american schools, there are power tools. but children are not permitted near them. they may only draw a cut, and beg teacher to make it.
1751066;1513194279;asciilifeform;preparation for bureaucracy.
1751067;1513194286;mircea_popescu;http://www.seprocom.ro/ofertesh2004/strung-paralel2_clip_image002.jpg <<< exact item, actually.
1751068;1513194298;asciilifeform;dat's a lathe mircea_popescu
1751069;1513194306;asciilifeform;and a pretty common one in su world
1751070;1513194310;mircea_popescu;right.
1751071;1513194317;*;asciilifeform would luvv one.
1751072;1513194328;asciilifeform;my current one is sewingmachine-sized.
1751073;1513194339;mircea_popescu;this was like a ton.
1751074;1513194344;asciilifeform;( and even it, i suspect, will have to be sold, won't fit in orbit capsule )
1751075;1513194355;asciilifeform;well noshit, proper lathe has steel pedestal
1751076;1513194361;mircea_popescu;aha.
1751077;1513194362;asciilifeform;it's what makes it stiff, usable.
1751078;1513194368;mircea_popescu;4kw or such too.
1751079;1513194376;asciilifeform;there is a misconception that 'fine' 'watchmaker' work wants small lathes.
1751080;1513194390;asciilifeform;nothing could be more mistaken -- the finer the work, the stiffer you want the thing
1751081;1513194401;mircea_popescu;word.
1751082;1513194410;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only multi-kw, but proper gearbox
1751083;1513194414;mircea_popescu;saw the ancient marble ones ? for jewelrywork ?
1751084;1513194417;asciilifeform;aha!
1751085;1513194424;asciilifeform;sad tabletop lathes typically lack gearing, period
1751086;1513194429;mircea_popescu;marble actually better than steel, no temp-mechanics
1751087;1513194483;asciilifeform;how to grind marble flat , also was learned prior to how to grind steel .
1751088;1513194514;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's little lathe has brass, interestingly, bed. 1970s item, even then ground rails were costly )
1751089;1513194517;mircea_popescu;o look, you can actually buy the modern version. same maker. Arad SN 401, 2,5 tons, 7.5kW, made 1987.
1751090;1513194525;asciilifeform;nifty.
1751091;1513194536;asciilifeform;maybe asciilifeform will buy !
1751092;1513194538;mircea_popescu;not even fucking expensive. course it's 380 so you'll have to get that
1751093;1513194561;asciilifeform;naturally.
1751094;1513194578;mircea_popescu;1250rpm max 25 min, 400mm/105mm this isn't even bad
1751095;1513194631;ben_vulpes;proper lathe has /cast iron/ pedestal
1751096;1513194646;ben_vulpes;graphite flakes in the medium damp vibrations
1751097;1513194655;asciilifeform;point
1751098;1513194695;asciilifeform;it's a lathe, tho, not a holography rig , stiffness moar important than dampening
1751099;1513194724;ben_vulpes;resonance is a bitch.
1751100;1513194762;mircea_popescu;anyway, tbh /me regards the lathe as the definitive item. for the obvious reason : lathe can build milling machine way the fuck easier than the other way around
1751101;1513194772;asciilifeform;lathe is ~the~ basic metalwork item.
1751102;1513194777;mircea_popescu;right.
1751103;1513194785;asciilifeform;foundation of all industry, really.
1751104;1513194790;ben_vulpes;good luck cutting drivescrews on a mill lol
1751105;1513194802;mircea_popescu;ikr
1751106;1513194806;mircea_popescu;yup.
1751107;1513194848;asciilifeform;dedicated mill is a luxury.
1751108;1513194868;asciilifeform;didn't even mostly exist in 19th c
1751109;1513194893;asciilifeform;consider, to this day, what's a machinist called in most civilized folk langs
1751110;1513194903;asciilifeform;( even in english, until recently was 'turner' )
1751111;1513194931;ben_vulpes;sadly, 'operator' now. special booth on floor for guys who plan cutterhead trajectories; 'programmers'.
1751112;1513194975;asciilifeform;токарь . Dreher . tourneur . etc
1751113;1513194998;asciilifeform;all 'turners'.
1751114;1513195009;mircea_popescu;!~translate ro to en strungar
1751115;1513195010;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: turner
1751116;1513195016;mircea_popescu;item is "strung".
1751117;1513195051;asciilifeform;hm what's the etymology
1751118;1513195056;asciilifeform;is there rotation in there ?
1751119;1513195059;mircea_popescu;nope,
1751120;1513195072;asciilifeform;or cognate with стружка e.g. saw chip
1751121;1513195075;mircea_popescu;word has no familiy ; lonesome import from possibly czech
1751122;1513195087;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. i expect something like that.
1751123;1513195120;asciilifeform;root строгать -- what you do with a carpenter's plane
1751124;1513195173;mircea_popescu;the action is "a strunji" ; the g to j morph is very indicative of it having been imported from dalmatia
1751125;1513195252;asciilifeform;dict says стружка is 'a shaving'
1751126;1513195281;mircea_popescu;ro thinks it's from "slavonian" which makes 0 fucking sense. what, old church books on lathe ?
1751127;1513195287;*;asciilifeform recalls a metal shaving thermite thread from yr or 2 ago
1751128;1513195308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc modern ro 'academic' position is that all ru-isms are really 'slavonian', lol
1751129;1513195324;mircea_popescu;"2 you shall not count, unless in time then proceed to lathe. 4 is right out!"
1751130;1513195348;mircea_popescu;you should see the ukrainian position.
1751131;1513195357;mircea_popescu;but hey -- don't like it, be friendlier next time!
1751132;1513195363;asciilifeform;last i heard 'the ancient ukrs had wireless : archaeologists, see, found 0 wires !!'
1751133;1513195369;mircea_popescu;lol
1751134;1513195369;asciilifeform;lol
1751135;1513195408;mircea_popescu;anyway, im giving up on catching up with this log before lunch.
1751136;1513195411;mircea_popescu;catchyall laters.
1751137;1513195417;asciilifeform;( then of course occasional archaeologist turns up item that vaguely looks like wire, or bolt head, the ufologists swarm, like flies )
1751138;1513195421;asciilifeform;laters.
1751139;1513195425;*;asciilifeform also to fresh air
1751140;1513196075;mod6;c-ya
1751141;1513197322;BingoBoingo; as a kid what i did with my time was that i ran up three flights of stairs to drink (straight from the faucet, who the everloving fuck has the time or the patience for glasses!) a stomachfull of water, then run back down and keep fucking running. << Since arriving I have been primarily drinking faucet water and coffees with occasial forays into the local bottled water and juices.
1751142;1513197467;BingoBoingo; wtf is the "psychedelic" supposed to do, i never could figure out. all sort and manner of kids were into all sorta manner of "psychedleic" bullcrap, from special light-things to "interpret" the music (installed eg under car seats! made the whole experience fucking nauseous) to what have you. but... why ? << What does any idle escapism promise?
1751143;1513197537;diana_coman;now I wonder whether asciilifeform knows what "drujba" means in Romanian, lol
1751144;1513197592;asciilifeform;that one is no accident, is named for the canonical 1950s-70s su chainsaw
1751145;1513197607;asciilifeform;the one with lawn-cutter motor, that dwarfs the saw blade per se
1751146;1513197630;diana_coman;I know it's no accident, yes; still funny though
1751147;1513197638;asciilifeform;but , diana_coman , my current fave is vrednik
1751148;1513197658;asciilifeform;err, vrednic
1751149;1513197697;asciilifeform;a вредник is, approx, a pest ( as in annoying kid brother )
1751150;1513197775;asciilifeform;whereas my ro dict translates 'vrednic' -- 'worthy, notable'
1751151;1513197821;diana_coman;aha; well, depending on whose vrednic it is...
1751152;1513197862;asciilifeform;lol
1751153;1513197886;diana_coman;although to be honest I wouldn't have defined it as notable, hmm
1751154;1513197913;diana_coman;to me its main meaning is of someone capable/doing stuff and doing it properly
1751155;1513197953;asciilifeform;however the champion's crown for (possibly) ultimate hilarious false-cognate lang sibling to ru is not ro
1751156;1513197955;asciilifeform;but czech
1751157;1513197988;asciilifeform;!~seen jurov
1751158;1513197988;jhvh1;asciilifeform: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 33 minutes, and 45 seconds ago:  mod6: ben_vulpes: have you decided about forked coins on foundation's address? should i report them, or sell, or they don't exist?
1751159;1513198207;asciilifeform;https://ribalych.ru/2016/05/06/kupite-vonyavki << subj earlier.
1751160;1513198210;asciilifeform;( examples. )
1751161;1513198293;BingoBoingo; phunphakt : in american schools, there are power tools. but children are not permitted near them. they may only draw a cut, and beg teacher to make it. << In highschool we had "forestry" class that consisted of maintaining walkable path near edge of school grounds. Got to fell smaller weedy trees with reciprocating saw (i.e. sharp fucksaw)
1751162;1513198651;asciilifeform;from earlier lulzwww, https://ribalych.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/anekdoty-i-kartinki_006.jpg << for mircea_popescu .
1751163;1513199351;mod6;asciilifeform: is this the chainsaw item? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/59sccgnsIgY/hqdefault.jpg
1751164;1513200638;diana_coman;that actually looks quite like it to me at least, mod6
1751165;1513201487;mod6;ah, thx diana_coman
1751166;1513201504;mod6;how's it goin?
1751167;1513201712;diana_coman;mod6, so far so good, preparing ch2 for tomorrow
1751168;1513201746;diana_coman;how's it going for you?
1751169;1513201902;mod6;ah, good. busy. i need to dig into stan's ch2 still.  been tinkering around with the wallet.
1751170;1513202023;mod6;I also want to spend a few minutes here soon and adapt my FFA unit tests to the vpatches that stan has released thus far.
1751171;1513202067;mod6;(I've been working off an FFA that's like... at least 3-4 months old.)
1751172;1513202105;mod6;There've been a few small adjustments to the code since then.
1751173;1513202416;diana_coman;mod6, more FFA tests sounds good to me; slightly related: is there any protocol/preferred approach for publishing signatures to someone else's patches?
1751174;1513202441;diana_coman;of* someone else's patches I guess
1751175;1513202681;mod6;Hm. Well, depends on which project I suppose.  For trb, one can send such signatures of pre-existing vpatches to the ML, whereby I can scoop them up and place them in the Foundation's repository as needed.
1751176;1513203117;mod6;For other non-trb projects, perhaps the author can designa how that should work.
1751177;1513203131;mod6;*designate
1751178;1513203168;diana_coman;makes sense
1751179;1513203579;mircea_popescu;all this discussion of hunting got me all fired up, so went to chinese store  bought myself some fireworks.
1751180;1513203590;mircea_popescu;i swear, some of these things look perfectly apt for antisubmarine warfare.
1751181;1513203697;mod6;nice!
1751182;1513203747;mircea_popescu;but briefly revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750551 : that the various "survivalists" and other "prepper" "communities" all over the us are directly reducible to their weight in retards is directly evident not simply from the patent inanity of schemes like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662898 (or for that matter 10 minutes spent on orlov's nonsense). it's much simpler shit such as : if they were EVEN VAGUELY
1751183;1513203747;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 16:53 mircea_popescu: i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am.
1751184;1513203747;a111;Logged on 2017-05-29 18:25 mircea_popescu: do you recall that ridiculous "bunker" with 30% dedicated to "motorcycles" and a few fish tanks "For food"  ? that sort of cvasi-religious nonsense is the end result -- resources are diverted towards making a show of compliance with designs that are dysfunctional by their very nature.
1751185;1513203748;mircea_popescu; serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready.
1751186;1513203779;mod6;diana_coman: there is a 'mirror' feature in my V.  But there is a limitation, it has a URL to the root mirror baked in.  Perhaps next release this will be fixed and can take a root mirror as a parameter.  This way, you could set up your own root mirror/mirrors for eucrypt or for stan's ffa.
1751187;1513203790;mircea_popescu;especially on modern tech this could work fabulously well. 1. cross all the items you'd like ; 2. cross all the items you absolutely do not want. hunter centralizes this, goes and shoots. literally, "your steak in the mail by 10am"
1751188;1513203799;mod6;Hypothetically, one could just change that
1751189;1513203802;mircea_popescu;and yes it does mean you'll have to buy meat "you don't want". fuck you, survivalism.
1751190;1513203831;mod6;well, nevermind.  suppose that won't work.  anyway, there is some groundwork laid.
1751191;1513204042;mircea_popescu;o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ?
1751192;1513204044;mod6;<+mircea_popescu>  serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready. << fair enough.  no reason to leave some of these things up to chance.
1751193;1513204083;mod6;mircea_popescu: yeah, we've been pretty thrifty thus far.
1751194;1513204220;BingoBoingo; o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ? << Careful management that further attracted an especially large donation from whatshisname
1751195;1513204453;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751186  <<< Recall, mod6 that you and I discussed this but may have been im PM. I hard-baked sdf and localhost servers in your V and it built trb fine
1751196;1513204453;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:22 mod6: diana_coman: there is a 'mirror' feature in my V.  But there is a limitation, it has a URL to the root mirror baked in.  Perhaps next release this will be fixed and can take a root mirror as a parameter.  This way, you could set up your own root mirror/mirrors for eucrypt or for stan's ffa.
1751197;1513204472;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo who ?
1751198;1513204507;mircea_popescu;anyway, in other advantages of living in tiny spec of a country : i went for that steak i was considering yest. across from my table, laura chincilla (ex president)
1751199;1513204572;mod6;mircea_popescu started us off with 10, some guy threw in 10, I threw in 10 + a bunch of change while testing
1751200;1513204587;mircea_popescu;wow. so it's more like... half a mil rly ?
1751201;1513204594;mod6;i'd have to dig it up, i forget who the gentlemen is.
1751202;1513204609;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The paranoid one who wanted to put coins somewhere safer than he could keep them started with a t, will dig
1751203;1513204674;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-16#1344134
1751204;1513204674;a111;Logged on 2015-12-16 02:46 mircea_popescu: !rate TheNewDeal 2 Put a decent chunk of change into the Bitcoin Foundation back when it wasn't fashionable yet.
1751205;1513204680;mircea_popescu;oh
1751206;1513204686;mircea_popescu;nice
1751207;1513204688;mod6;Ahh, that's it.
1751208;1513204708;mircea_popescu;well there you go, you've got more than most foundations out there.
1751209;1513204713;mod6;shinohai: ahh, that's right.  good memory.
1751210;1513204744;mod6;mircea_popescu: fair enough.
1751211;1513204842;mod6;If all goes well with BingoBoingo's adventures, we may have a reoccurring infrastructure expense to manage.  Should be very manageable.
1751212;1513204870;mod6;Shouldn't be too bad anyway.
1751213;1513204949;mircea_popescu;yea srsly.
1751214;1513205077;BingoBoingo;In other news, Yellen poked US interest rates up by a quarter point before the door meets her ass.
1751215;1513205113;mircea_popescu;1980s style 8% is quite on the table actually.
1751216;1513205131;BingoBoingo;As is 18%
1751217;1513205146;BingoBoingo;Thrashing is how do contain
1751218;1513205159;BingoBoingo;Not as directional an activity as threshing
1751219;1513205393;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750774 << BITCOIN dime :D
1751220;1513205393;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 18:14 asciilifeform: dime lol
1751221;1513205449;mircea_popescu;fun fact : total land area on this planet being 510 mn sqkm ; and bitcoin cap being 21 mn, it therefore follows that the absolute maximal average price for land is a dime per square km.
1751222;1513205584;shinohai;neato
1751223;1513206647;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750808 << this possibly deserves dwelling. so, as far as biology is concerned, there is a very direct problem sexual dimorphism bestows upon the female, referenced now and again in logs (eg http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551894 ) as well as the possibly related psychological issue (coy behaviour, lotta words on trilema re this).
1751224;1513206647;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 18:26 asciilifeform: what exactly is a 'precious cuntlet'
1751225;1513206647;a111;Logged on 2016-10-03 19:06 mircea_popescu: there's some biological factors to account for this, both directly (shittier metabolism ; stronger response to neurotransmitters ; the venereal 50/5 trap etc) and indirect (through the workings of sexuate reproduction women are always vandable) ; but i'm pretty sure there's also psychological factors involved.
1751226;1513206647;mircea_popescu;now, as it happens said behaviour is a terrible strategy in postmodernity (basically, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-21#727929 ie you'll lose out on EXACTLY the long tail SV.VC can not afford to lose) ; but the remnants of a pre-modern time manifest in the lowest forms of culture -- such as disney films ; and passive socialization.
1751227;1513206647;a111;Logged on 2014-06-21 22:43 mircea_popescu: well yeah. but by playing hard to get you may get +10 on your average catch, but also get the guarantee you're never getting in the bed of that 0.whatever%
1751228;1513206665;mircea_popescu;girly ends up persuaded that she has a very valuable something she must take great good care of between her legs -- her precious cuntlet.
1751229;1513206704;mircea_popescu;drives a whole class of neurotic behaviour that ultimately ensures her social marginality, economic poverty and personal dishappiness (not mere unhappiness, as the absence of happiness, but the exact constructed OPPOSITE of happiness)
1751230;1513206802;mircea_popescu;a concern with "privacy", preoccupations with "feminism" in the ustardian sense, complete unskilled cluelessness etcetera are all great predictors of the underlying syndrome.
1751231;1513206879;mircea_popescu;"snowderella or what's her name DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO STAY ALIVE till the prince came, why should i hit the threadmill". how did he come ? well... that's his problem! and his business! as a prince, to come! (ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749973 )
1751232;1513206879;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 23:32 mircea_popescu: LEONIDA (în luptă cu somnul): Treaba statului, domnule, el ce grije are? pentru ce-l avem pe el? e datoria lui să-ngrijească să aibă oamenii lefurile la vreme..."
1751233;1513206990;mircea_popescu;the fundamental problem of eg, india, where everyone aborts girls because they don't want to pay for their raising to the level where they can be married ~because the trade value of the she-cow is NOT ENOUGH~ is really the fundamental problem of humanity : yes the cost of living went up, but the price of a head of cattle, or a goat, OR A WOMAN as such didn't go up. it went down. it's much cheaper to buy an ox now, either in s
1751234;1513206990;mircea_popescu;traight gold or in PPP than it was in 17ad.
1751235;1513207044;mircea_popescu;it's true that women also have the avenue of not-being-animals anymore, but this happens to have opened just as most "jobs" got destroyed. so yes that works for a 5% of them, and another 10% or so could pretend and convincingly hope. the majority however, very much confront the pork bellies are $2 problem.
1751236;1513207095;mircea_popescu;which neatly sends the precious-cuntlet syndrome straight into metaphysics, "there's a thing beyond the sensible which makes me valuable, let's call it emotions and you could never understand".
1751237;1513207121;mircea_popescu;pretty much all of the mental pathology we call ustardianism directly derives from this fundamentally economic problem.
1751238;1513207512;mircea_popescu;(neurotic here is used properly -- as the opposite of psychotic, which is to say, attempting to resolve psychological tension through self-transduction rather than reality-reconstruction.)
1751239;1513207556;mircea_popescu;(transduction also term of art in biology, but ima stop before retyping the whole thesaurus by hand)
1751240;1513208059;*;asciilifeform for 1st time in long time, sits down to mega-l0g, eats
1751241;1513208090;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751163 << indeed it is
1751242;1513208090;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 21:09 mod6: asciilifeform: is this the chainsaw item? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/59sccgnsIgY/hqdefault.jpg
1751243;1513208137;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751171 << aside from FZ's not being structs any longer, there shouldn't be much that you can't fix with search+replace
1751244;1513208137;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 21:54 mod6: (I've been working off an FFA that's like... at least 3-4 months old.)
1751245;1513208176;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751173 << same protocol as everybody uses for their original sigs -- just put'em somewhere people can see'em , they'll end up in phf's thing
1751246;1513208176;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:00 diana_coman: mod6, more FFA tests sounds good to me; slightly related: is there any protocol/preferred approach for publishing signatures to someone else's patches?
1751247;1513208242;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751185 << but! then, they'd have to confront the fact that the land can support maybe 1 in 20 of'em .
1751248;1513208242;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:22 mircea_popescu:  serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready.
1751249;1513208249;asciilifeform;optimistically.
1751250;1513208278;mircea_popescu;is this survivalism or is this comfortingalism /
1751251;1513208287;asciilifeform;whatdoyouthink.
1751252;1513208294;mircea_popescu;i don't have time to think
1751253;1513208297;mircea_popescu;OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
1751254;1513208325;asciilifeform;'ваше слово, товарищ маузер!'
1751255;1513208365;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to fr 'ваше слово, товарищ маузер!'
1751256;1513208366;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: "Votre mot, camarade Mauser!"
1751257;1513208371;mircea_popescu;lol
1751258;1513208396;asciilifeform;oh notbad
1751259;1513208400;mircea_popescu;it's actually from alice in wonderland.
1751260;1513208405;asciilifeform;well yes
1751261;1513208437;asciilifeform;and mine -- from mayakovsky
1751262;1513208453;mircea_popescu;well yes
1751263;1513208457;mircea_popescu;but have you ever had an ostrich burger.
1751264;1513208489;asciilifeform;nope. (tho they are sold widely here. but can't bring meself to eat ameriburger at all, not after the 1st one)
1751265;1513208537;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751191 << lol, did we just see mircea_popescu thinking in zimbabwebux !111
1751266;1513208537;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:27 mircea_popescu: o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ?
1751267;1513208547;mircea_popescu;there was a brief craze with "ostrich farms" at some point late 90s, but meh. it's just not very good.
1751268;1513208561;asciilifeform;there was, i even saw the occasional ostrich in dc suburbia back yards in '90s
1751269;1513208585;asciilifeform;1st time i thought it was delirium dream
1751270;1513208638;mircea_popescu;!~tr ro to ru foaie verde pofta-n cui, pasare ca porcu' nu-i.
1751271;1513208638;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
1751272;1513208642;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751194 << there was a d00d, iirc he was going mad, decided to get rid of his coinz..
1751273;1513208642;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:30 BingoBoingo:  o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ? << Careful management that further attracted an especially large donation from whatshisname
1751274;1513208643;mircea_popescu;!~translate ro to ru foaie verde pofta-n cui, pasare ca porcu' nu-i.
1751275;1513208644;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: жажда зеленых листьев, птица, как свинья, нет.
1751276;1513208648;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1751277;1513208686;mircea_popescu;going mad ?!
1751278;1513208722;asciilifeform;nm looks like BingoBoingo linked : TheNewDeal
1751279;1513208731;asciilifeform;!~seen TheNewDeal
1751280;1513208731;jhvh1;asciilifeform: I have not seen TheNewDeal.
1751281;1513208734;asciilifeform;!#seen TheNewDeal
1751282;1513208734;a111;2016-01-22  so so, how bout you?
1751283;1513208813;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751219 << aaa
1751284;1513208813;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750774 << BITCOIN dime :D
1751285;1513208824;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1751286;1513208830;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16030.0, vol: 17172.64030044 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16051.0, vol: 63032.24001347 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15995.4, vol: 3281.82689278 | Volume-weighted last average: 16044.4948324
1751287;1513208873;mircea_popescu;phf incidentally, what's the definition of tov popov ?
1751288;1513209156;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751233 << softer version of the industrial world's 'abort everything that moves' issue
1751289;1513209156;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 23:16 mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem of eg, india, where everyone aborts girls because they don't want to pay for their raising to the level where they can be married ~because the trade value of the she-cow is NOT ENOUGH~ is really the fundamental problem of humanity : yes the cost of living went up, but the price of a head of cattle, or a goat, OR A WOMAN as such didn't go up. it went down. it's much cheaper to buy an ox now, either in s
1751290;1513209179;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1751291;1513209209;mircea_popescu;though that's an overpopulation problem ; india is stuck in a different sphere.
1751292;1513209216;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/#selection-347.0-349.784 << see also.
1751293;1513209246;mircea_popescu;myeah
1751294;1513209364;asciilifeform;whole item -- pertinent, imho.
1751295;1513209384;mircea_popescu;it is.
1751296;1513209604;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751235 << this applies across the board. ( as amply observed by mircea_popescu and others ). and the males dun even have the 'retreat into biology' option.
1751297;1513209604;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 23:17 mircea_popescu: it's true that women also have the avenue of not-being-animals anymore, but this happens to have opened just as most "jobs" got destroyed. so yes that works for a 5% of them, and another 10% or so could pretend and convincingly hope. the majority however, very much confront the pork bellies are $2 problem.
1751298;1513209612;asciilifeform;literally surplus folx.
1751299;1513209614;mircea_popescu;sure.
1751300;1513209621;mircea_popescu;but also nobody gives a shit. nor ever has.
1751301;1513209638;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1750041
1751302;1513209638;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 23:58 mircea_popescu: <30yo females don't need a hundy.
1751303;1513209647;asciilifeform;the 'we use everything, even the squeal' folx -- theoretically giveashit.
1751304;1513209662;asciilifeform;it's building material. for, say, a belomorcanal. or a ww1. etc
1751305;1513209663;mircea_popescu;i dunno how long that pretense can be maintained
1751306;1513209672;mircea_popescu;but already more cracked than old whore anal fissure.
1751307;1513209704;mircea_popescu;fun fact : if 1960s vietcong invaded, the us could not muster a defense.
1751308;1513209713;asciilifeform;nao if i were today's berzin and ordered to organize canal building using homo redditus -- would prolly eat nagant.
1751309;1513209715;asciilifeform;because how.
1751310;1513209745;mircea_popescu;well... 3x as many whippers as zeks. no idea where you'd get the whippers, but perhaps try china before naganting ?
1751311;1513209787;asciilifeform;everybody tries. even with stalin's human material as i understand the ev was only marginally +.
1751312;1513209800;mircea_popescu;nazis didn't make bank on slave labour either.
1751313;1513209804;mircea_popescu;it's just not a very good concept.
1751314;1513209829;mircea_popescu;slave labour works in the sense of education ; not very productive as extraction.
1751315;1513209832;asciilifeform;nobody makes bank, it's a 'this is slightly cheaper than immediate boiling for soap' option.
1751316;1513209865;asciilifeform;witness that germans ~did~ send good % straight for soap.
1751317;1513209866;mircea_popescu;nobody really needs that much soap
1751318;1513209871;asciilifeform;aha.
1751319;1513209888;mircea_popescu;it IS better soap than synthetic, but it also doesn't keep as well. so...
1751320;1513209895;asciilifeform;right, hence oven.
1751321;1513209924;asciilifeform;gotta wonder why germans did not conceive of biodiesel. the tech was aaalmost there...
1751322;1513209970;mircea_popescu;i am skeptical this is actually worth bothering.
1751323;1513209978;asciilifeform;( i suspect the answer is -- comically -- in the scarcity of the diesel cycle in its birth land !! almost until end of war, ~0 diesel there )
1751324;1513209983;mircea_popescu;corndiesel marginal, and corn is a lot more uniform than man
1751325;1513209997;asciilifeform;corn yes. ready 0cost sacks of fat -- not comparable
1751326;1513210011;asciilifeform;and not contemplated as continuous cycle. but waste disposal of existing.
1751327;1513210045;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, i always wondered. the insanity of the eg panzer 4 GASOLINE engine still harrows my mind.
1751328;1513210048;mircea_popescu;wut.the.fuck.
1751329;1513210051;asciilifeform;burned like candle.
1751330;1513210083;asciilifeform;i still dun fully grasp why they lacked the diesel.
1751331;1513210085;mircea_popescu;had less power than a modern muscle car, at that.
1751332;1513210094;mircea_popescu;possibly maybach lobbying.
1751333;1513210098;asciilifeform;just scarcely moar hp than asciilifeform's current auto...
1751334;1513210163;mircea_popescu;and note that the ~most used armored item (stug) ALSO fucking maybach gasoline engine
1751335;1513210177;mircea_popescu;~same one.
1751336;1513210191;asciilifeform;more or less errything from graf zeppelin to tiger  -- maybach
1751337;1513210203;mircea_popescu;(stug is like a tank without turret, larger cannon)
1751338;1513210216;asciilifeform;jagdpanzer
1751339;1513210225;mircea_popescu;ye
1751340;1513210236;asciilifeform;what do you call these in eng
1751341;1513210246;asciilifeform;( in ru -- самоходка )
1751342;1513210251;mircea_popescu;field artillery ?
1751343;1513210259;asciilifeform;generally speaking. but specific item
1751344;1513210269;asciilifeform;self-propelled howitzer, says me dict.
1751345;1513210273;mircea_popescu;heh
1751346;1513210402;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751237 << aha, and to think about the various symptoms individually, is rather like thinking of each individual fractured bone in d00d dropped from a skyscraper, as separate injury
1751347;1513210402;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 23:18 mircea_popescu: pretty much all of the mental pathology we call ustardianism directly derives from this fundamentally economic problem.
1751348;1513210421;mircea_popescu;in a sense, yea
1751349;1513210810;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751193 << iirc nothing yet spent, even
1751350;1513210810;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:28 mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, we've been pretty thrifty thus far.
1751351;1513210914;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751221 << good % is ~uninhabitable tho, and worth ~0
1751352;1513210914;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:50 mircea_popescu: fun fact : total land area on this planet being 510 mn sqkm ; and bitcoin cap being 21 mn, it therefore follows that the absolute maximal average price for land is a dime per square km.
1751353;1513210934;asciilifeform;( see mircea_popescu's essay re the andes , for instance )
1751354;1513210961;mircea_popescu;ok, fine. about 40% of the 148mn or so land sqkm are actually farmed.that's still 60mn.
1751355;1513210985;asciilifeform;good % of that, prolly will resemble sahara soon
1751356;1513210993;asciilifeform;american 'farming' -- does this
1751357;1513211001;asciilifeform;( chinese -- ditto )
1751358;1513211123;asciilifeform;re foundations -- incidentally whatever happened to the derpoundation
1751359;1513211133;asciilifeform;is it still around, somewhere.
1751360;1513211141;mircea_popescu;im sure it is
1751361;1513211171;asciilifeform;refreshingly little mention of it, even in heathendom, past few yrs
1751362;1513211712;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751151 <<< ahahaha, she knows...
1751363;1513211712;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 20:43 diana_coman: aha; well, depending on whose vrednic it is...
1751364;1513211825;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751153 << more of an arges area item, that. morphs into falnic further west.
1751365;1513211825;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 20:44 diana_coman: although to be honest I wouldn't have defined it as notable, hmm
1751366;1513211898;asciilifeform;oh mircea_popescu does http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751162 need translation or is it clear
1751367;1513211898;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 20:57 asciilifeform: from earlier lulzwww, https://ribalych.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/anekdoty-i-kartinki_006.jpg << for mircea_popescu .
1751368;1513211939;mircea_popescu;lol turtlefucking
1751369;1513211946;mircea_popescu;no, go ahead and translate, im not that apt.
1751370;1513211946;asciilifeform;not quite, 1s...
1751371;1513212032;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751173 << it's a good idea to host a whole set of "approved" (by your own lights) sigs for all vpatches.
1751372;1513212032;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:00 diana_coman: mod6, more FFA tests sounds good to me; slightly related: is there any protocol/preferred approach for publishing signatures to someone else's patches?
1751373;1513212044;mircea_popescu;so just put them on your site somewhere.
1751374;1513212048;mircea_popescu;redundancy is great here.
1751375;1513212099;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751176 << nah, too complex and therefore frail system like that. simply : host ALL sigs for ALL things yourself ; let the urls be known publicly and don't change them.
1751376;1513212099;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:11 mod6: For other non-trb projects, perhaps the author can designa how that should work.
1751377;1513212134;mircea_popescu;"not hosting your sigs" is therefore a low level "can't be bothered to rate but still dun like you" sorta hostility
1751378;1513212422;asciilifeform;behold : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turtle.jpg
1751379;1513212470;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1751380;1513212562;asciilifeform;^ esp in re: mircea_popescu's 'turtles' article and its fans.
1751381;1513212570;mircea_popescu;lol
1751382;1513212626;mircea_popescu;this is a fine example as to what i mean by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750802 btw. "oh, i found a couple more". really bitch, you did ? ha-ha funny.
1751383;1513212626;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 18:23 mircea_popescu: honeslty i much preferred the density. made all sorts of буржуй bullshit untenable and plain-evidently not desirable.
1751384;1513212663;asciilifeform;i dungetit ?
1751385;1513212698;mircea_popescu;the fact that chick's depicted "under a cover" rather than in the frank position ( http://img.tfd.com/medical/Davis/Tabers/v26.jpg ) is a ~stylistical~ choice.
1751386;1513212748;mircea_popescu;joke works just as well in either approach. but the буржуй bullshit consists of building an extra-tower of cvasi-funny bolted on the wall of the joke.
1751387;1513212749;asciilifeform;prolly was printed in 'respectable'(tm)(r) press etc
1751388;1513212754;mircea_popescu;quite.
1751389;1513212794;asciilifeform;if it were japanese , turtles would be plugging her holes and depicted in full squirming glory. but their cocks would be unicorn-shaped.
1751390;1513212812;mircea_popescu;and if they were hungarian, it'd just mean she got married.
1751391;1513212819;asciilifeform;!#s turkish wedding
1751392;1513212819;a111;5 results for "turkish wedding", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=turkish%20wedding
1751393;1513212861;asciilifeform;^ somehow came to refer to anal reprimand with e.g. shovel handle, typically to-death
1751394;1513213050;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751375 << i'ma proclaim : will host all sigs for 'ffa graduates' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749492 ) in my l1+2 . 'hall of fame'!11
1751395;1513213050;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 00:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751176 << nah, too complex and therefore frail system like that. simply : host ALL sigs for ALL things yourself ; let the urls be known publicly and don't change them.
1751396;1513213050;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 19:56 asciilifeform: incidentally folx: each of you who considers himself 'graduate' of an ffa chapter, consider signing
1751397;1513213099;asciilifeform;will emphasize, nobody should sign unless fully ready to say ' i know for a fact that this piece works, would jump with the parachute '
1751398;1513213347;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751240 << you know, it's only 1250 lines by btcbase count ; i recall in the past we had 2, maybe even a coupla 3k line days. yet NEVER before was it the case convo got so dense i had to switch to log reading WHILE AT THE TERMINAL.
1751399;1513213347;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 23:34 asciilifeform for 1st time in long time, sits down to mega-l0g, eats
1751400;1513213359;mircea_popescu;i dunno if im getting old or the thing is changing or what, but anyway.
1751401;1513213371;asciilifeform;naah plenty of bigger l0gz
1751402;1513214410;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751193 << iirc nothing yet spent, even << nearly; we did recently approve the first expendature: renewal of therealbitcoin.org
1751403;1513214410;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:28 mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, we've been pretty thrifty thus far.
1751404;1513214418;asciilifeform;aaa
1751405;1513214453;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751176 << nah, too complex and therefore frail system like that. simply : host ALL sigs for ALL things yourself ; let the urls be known publicly and don't change them. << This works.  Having the redundancy is a good thing too.
1751406;1513214453;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 22:11 mod6: For other non-trb projects, perhaps the author can designa how that should work.
1751407;1513225785;ben_vulpes;http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/r820t2_breakout/index.html << 17.20 for three breakout boards for the cheapo sdr chip in many tv tuners
1751408;1513227110;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: complete unit typically costs tenbux or so
1751409;1513227124;asciilifeform;( with usb plug , cheapo antenna, etc )
1751410;1513227129;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: wired into usb tho
1751411;1513227145;asciilifeform;also it is not so hot , as a tuner, 'shits where it eats' quite severely
1751412;1513227214;ben_vulpes;what does this mean
1751413;1513227217;ben_vulpes;?
1751414;1513227231;asciilifeform;picks up own noise
1751415;1513227280;ben_vulpes;ah
1751416;1513227295;asciilifeform;!#s rtlsdr
1751417;1513227296;a111;10 results for "rtlsdr", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rtlsdr
1751418;1513227302;asciilifeform;pretty sure we had thread.
1751419;1513227440;asciilifeform;dare i ask what ben_vulpes had in mind
1751420;1513227471;asciilifeform;( if it's shortwave -- i'll say right nao, it won't work, and the chinese 'up-converter' box -- defo wontwork )
1751421;1513228125;ben_vulpes;canvassing the low bandwidth radio space
1751422;1513228479;ben_vulpes;concretely, trying to figure out what it would take to prototype a tuneable phase locked loop channel
1751423;1513250394;diana_coman;asciilifeform, would you please elaborate on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748150 ? apparently it's still not straightforward enough for me in practice
1751424;1513250394;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 16:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can: diff ~the patch~
1751425;1513256353;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1751426;1513256361;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16651.45, vol: 14908.84943855 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16600.0, vol: 59781.18472423 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16550.0, vol: 3279.47747035 | Volume-weighted last average: 16607.7349007
1751427;1513256618;shinohai;Is this UBI thing a meme now? http://archive.is/q3fXn
1751428;1513259334;BingoBoingo;No, memes are funny
1751429;1513259348;BingoBoingo;And they stick
1751430;1513259355;BingoBoingo;It's an unfunny forced meme
1751431;1513259385;shinohai;But the concept of a UBI is hilarious period.
1751432;1513259526;BingoBoingo;But it would piss of walmart customers: "Whaddya mean the help is taking home more money because they work AND get muh welfares!
1751433;1513263167;asciilifeform;!~later tell diana_coman plox to describe, very very specifically, what you need done. then i'll show how.
1751434;1513263167;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1751435;1513263519;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I need to create a vpatch that performs the change of dir structure from a/mpi to b/eucrypt/mpi where the contents of the mpi folder in both cases are identical; or more specifically for the task at hand: I want to create a vpatch that has as antecedent my previous sane_mpi_eucrypt.vpatch (whose output is an mpi folder with all sorts) and results in eucrypt/mpi where this new mpi folder has precisely same contents
1751436;1513263671;diana_coman;fwiw I managed to do this to some extent, but I don't like this "to some extent"
1751437;1513264486;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i gotta ask , what did this 'to some extent' look like.
1751438;1513264642;diana_coman;asciilifeform, it does the move BUT it requires post-cleaning (i.e. leaves some stuff behind) + works only with mod6's v; so something is wrong somewhere and hopefully it's just on my side i.e. I can correct it quickly following your explanation of how it should be done
1751439;1513264676;asciilifeform;let's see it
1751440;1513264732;diana_coman;mind telling me how you see it done? it's hopefully faster than debugging a wrong approach; once I have it working I'll write up the failure too if that's the thing
1751441;1513264749;asciilifeform;i'm making an example, brb
1751442;1513264755;diana_coman;k, thanks
1751443;1513265819;phf;diana_coman: it's not going to be pretty. it'll be twice the amount of text: once to delete the old file with - - - - and once to create a new file with + + + +
1751444;1513265864;asciilifeform;phf: this is the basic insanity of gnupatch. a proper vpatch ought to see that the hashes are the same incoming and outgoing , and Do The Right Thing without the idiot spew
1751445;1513265873;asciilifeform;*vpatcher
1751446;1513265900;asciilifeform;the 1 thing i still don't fully understand is why diana_coman's subdir gotta move
1751447;1513265936;asciilifeform;it isn't required for the linker, nor for maintaining v-lineage ( the latter works just as well if diana_coman were to simply add a comment to 1 or more items in mpi dir , that 'this is nao part of eucrypt' )
1751448;1513265964;asciilifeform;i.e. why can't 'eucrypt' be a ~sibling~ dir to 'mpi'
1751449;1513265985;asciilifeform;then you dun need any gnupatch shenanigans.
1751450;1513266036;asciilifeform;i'ma demonstrate, brb
1751451;1513266054;phf;presumably she doesn't want to compromise the resultant press because of poor tooling
1751452;1513266062;asciilifeform;waiwat
1751453;1513266237;phf;well, the project is called eucrypt, presses into eucrypt directory, inside it has support infrastructure like mpi
1751454;1513266286;phf;if she decides to replace bignum backing, presumably mpi will get nuked and replaced with something else
1751455;1513266298;asciilifeform;1s, almost done with example
1751456;1513266460;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/pseudo_eucrypt.vpatch << demo
1751457;1513266484;asciilifeform;it's not eucrypt, of course, but the helloworld i originally included in mpi . but shows what i meant above.
1751458;1513266542;asciilifeform;you can press it in my vtron, by 1) recreating diana_coman's working set from last week 2) drop pseudo_eucrypt.vpatch into patches dir 3) ./v.py -wild --wot .wot --seals .seals patches p patches/pseudo_eucrypt.vpatch pseudoeucrypt
1751459;1513266550;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1751460;1513266551;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: None | Current Difficulty: 1.590896927258E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 499967 | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 55 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1751461;1513266570;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do you mind?
1751462;1513266579;BingoBoingo;sorry
1751463;1513266675;asciilifeform;phf: given example works with my vtron, oughta equally work with mod6's. and does the job (both from vtronic genealogy pov, and gnumake's -- the latter (see the makefile of my faux 'eucrypt') recurses updir ) the 1 down-side is aesthetics.
1751464;1513266801;asciilifeform;now let's come back to my much earlier pill, which i suggested in the mircea_popescu thread. which is imho even uglier. in that one, diana_coman would have to introduce the three mpi-ism vpatches comprising her working set, as ~files~ into eucrypt. and a sed script, and a vtron invocation, into her eucrypt makefile.
1751465;1513266841;asciilifeform;if phf , or anyone else, can think of a 3rd ( that is, one that actually preserves the v-genealogy , rather than idiot-cut-and-pastism ) i'm all ears.
1751466;1513266904;mod6;your example will not work with my vtron, for one simple reason: the new rules state that we do not do ANYTHING with vpatches that do not have a corresponding signature - we IGNORE WILD vpatches and drop them on the floor.
1751467;1513266905;asciilifeform;imho the item i posted just nao, illustrates the cleaner method. but it has down-side in that one has to give up on 'i get to decide exactly what the unix dir structure will look like, notwithstanding the fact that gnumake was dropped as a baby and has nfi what file moving is'
1751468;1513266922;asciilifeform;mod6: if you dun have a testmode, you gotta sign it yerself to run it, what can i say
1751469;1513266951;mod6;That is fine; if it has a valid corresponding signature.
1751470;1513266979;asciilifeform;mod6: i dun like to uncase the launch codes 10,000,000 times per day every time test press. but others are moar than welcome to.
1751471;1513267015;mod6;I understand that sentiment.  We discussed this at length.  Which is why I actually have a test-vpatch pgp key for that purpose only.
1751472;1513267032;asciilifeform;or can sign it with the mahmood khadir key, or 1 of the others we broke, lol
1751473;1513267041;mod6;haha, fair enough
1751474;1513267059;asciilifeform;at any rate it oughta be obvious what the illustration does simply from naked eye reading.
1751475;1513267081;asciilifeform;you dun actually need to press it, unless specifically want to.
1751476;1513267103;mod6;sure, thanks for posting the sample for diana_coman
1751477;1513267112;asciilifeform;now here's a 3rd pill :
1751478;1513267151;asciilifeform;eh nm no 3rd. can't think of one.
1751479;1513267187;phf;i didn't necessarily need the illustration, because i understood what you were saying, my point was merely that it's sad state of things
1751480;1513267194;asciilifeform;i'ma leave it for diana_coman , mod6 , phf , mircea_popescu , et al, to consider which pill is less barfatronic, and possibly conceive of another.
1751481;1513267216;asciilifeform;phf: sad indeed, and afaik unfixable without sending gnupatch/gnudiff to where they belong -- into the oven.
1751482;1513267355;asciilifeform;though i'll admit that i personally dun get the fixation with moving mpi to being a subdir of $newproj.
1751483;1513267373;asciilifeform;the vdiffing worx exactly correctly, as does the linkage, without this.
1751484;1513267385;asciilifeform;( both demonstrated in the example. )
1751485;1513267982;phf;well, the nature of v is that you're pressing into a global namespace. in fact that was a property of the original idea to a great extent (hence mp and his insistence on there being only one genesis). we compromised that already by having multiple projects, but you still run into the same issue when you're trying to combine multiple projects together. you're basically saying that the press namespace doesn't matter as long as there's no collision. ~othe
1751486;1513267982;phf;rs~ might a little bit more meaning out of the press namespace. one pill to satisfy later group of people would be to come up with a filesystem hierarchy standard, i.e. you always press at the same root, but you're pressing into a tmsr namespace. so it'll be /bin/bitcoin/... /lib/mpi/...
1751487;1513268022;asciilifeform;i happen to see the entire unix directory scheme as idiocy
1751488;1513268066;phf;sure, but you can't avoid namespacing issue. you're pressing files by name.
1751489;1513268089;asciilifeform;but, observe, phf's scheme could easily work, and require afaik no regrinds
1751490;1513268099;asciilifeform;take for instance trb , as seen in http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis/file
1751491;1513268103;asciilifeform;dir is 'bitcoin'
1751492;1513268108;asciilifeform;take mpi . dir is 'mpi'.
1751493;1513268140;asciilifeform;iirc all of the v-releases, to date, are already dir-siblings in phf's hypothetical tmsr-rootdir.
1751494;1513268163;phf;nah
1751495;1513268202;phf;actually, i think fg is the only exception
1751496;1513268263;phf;but yeah in that model your press is / and you have /mpi and /eucrypt, so if you want to link against /mpi you do ../mpi/... in your makefile
1751497;1513268285;asciilifeform;aha, as shown
1751498;1513268329;phf;no what's shown is eucrypt ~inside~ mpi
1751499;1513268330;asciilifeform;and yes fg genesis apparently lacks subdirization.
1751500;1513268344;asciilifeform;phf: how inside ? they're sibling dirs
1751501;1513268370;phf;ah yeah you're right
1751502;1513268375;phf;well, then we're on the same page
1751503;1513268379;asciilifeform;aha.
1751504;1513268404;asciilifeform;i like phf's unification idea. even if it means that at some point i gotta regrind fg-genesis.
1751505;1513268430;asciilifeform;common dir root for errything.
1751506;1513268542;asciilifeform;it very much seems to me, to be The Right Thing.
1751507;1513268607;asciilifeform;also oughta satisfy mircea_popescu's 'there was 1 genesis' item. because under phf's unification, there in fact ~was~ , created an empty universe with a 'bitcoin' dir.
1751508;1513268766;asciilifeform;this also makes the vtronic-linux a moar tenable, imho, proposition.
1751509;1513268846;asciilifeform;picture, all v-released items live in /v/ ; seals in /seals/; wot in '/wot/; /v/ gets pressed on install, and on request whenever later...
1751510;1513268899;asciilifeform;common root lets you vdiffate whatever change you made to anything, even if it takes in > 1 subsystem.
1751511;1513268934;asciilifeform;all binaries on the box must trace their descent to contents of /v/...
1751512;1513269027;phf;right
1751513;1513269106;phf;it is to some extent a bsd model (that slackless os also follows it), where you have baseline system, where the source is owned by a cabal of maintainers/developers
1751514;1513269129;asciilifeform;suckless ?
1751515;1513269173;phf;err, yes, i was going to say slackware, but they are sloppier than bsd
1751516;1513269390;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751421 << ben_vulpes wtf is 'low bandwidth radio space' ??! how does this differ from 'low thickness physical space' ? how do i parse yer sentence ?
1751517;1513269390;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 05:08 ben_vulpes: canvassing the low bandwidth radio space
1751518;1513269407;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751422 << where does one find a ~non~-tunable pll , ben_vulpes ?
1751519;1513269407;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 05:14 ben_vulpes: concretely, trying to figure out what it would take to prototype a tuneable phase locked loop channel
1751520;1513269416;asciilifeform;what's even is it.
1751521;1513269495;asciilifeform;possibly i can guess what ben_vulpes wanted... answr is, there is 0 ionospheric propagation at any of the spectrum the cheapo rtl dongle is able to pick up.
1751522;1513269525;asciilifeform;it's good for what comes from before your horizon, and that's it.
1751523;1513269535;ben_vulpes;too parsimonious!
1751524;1513269556;asciilifeform;it also doesn't transmit. if you wanna transmit, you need an actual sdr, e.g. 'hackrf' , 'gnuradio', or something made with own hands.
1751525;1513269556;ben_vulpes;hardware for broadcasting and receiving data over low bandwidth radio links
1751526;1513269564;asciilifeform;rtldongle dun transmit.
1751527;1513269566;ben_vulpes;yeah, this i know.
1751528;1513269575;ben_vulpes;vga card doesn't receive, right?
1751529;1513269597;asciilifeform;vga card + pirate hf amp -- transmit.
1751530;1513269605;ben_vulpes;aha.
1751531;1513269611;asciilifeform;( connection left as exercise for the reader. )
1751532;1513269631;asciilifeform;rtl dun receive ~anything at <=30Mhz .
1751533;1513269648;asciilifeform;( and the supposed converter boxes, dun work worth a shit. ) but iirc i already mentioned this.
1751534;1513269653;ben_vulpes;yup
1751535;1513269690;*;ben_vulpes bbl, teaching human 101, will return later
1751536;1513269690;asciilifeform;try 'hackrf' or 1 of the other inexpensive 0-2Ghz or whatever, 'swiss army knives'
1751537;1513269722;*;asciilifeform also bbl
1751538;1513270330;mircea_popescu;o hai
1751539;1513270539;mod6;mornin'
1751540;1513275705;ben_vulpes;apparently mike_c's new gig has now banned messages to girls from users they haven't "liked" yet
1751541;1513275717;ben_vulpes;they show up on the sender's "profile" instead
1751542;1513275725;ben_vulpes;so it's a shitty bumble now.
1751543;1513275765;ben_vulpes;which is kind of impressive because bumble was already a shitty tinder, providing a cover for short-term coy behavior in online dating.
1751544;1513276308;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Well, maybe it's part of mircea_popescu's vast conspiracy to push people into more crowded spaces?
1751545;1513276328;ben_vulpes;mike_c, the republic's mole in IAC
1751546;1513276357;ben_vulpes;buenos dias, BingoBoingo
1751547;1513276410;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Aqui es "Buen dia" en la manana. Otra veces "Buenas" (tardes o noche not specified)
1751548;1513276437;ben_vulpes;buen dia!
1751549;1513276447;*;BingoBoingo first 3 days heard it as "Bom dia" though they adopted portuguese greeting from Brasil.
1751550;1513276560;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751431 << nah. there's a straight relationship between humour and hope : anything thats hopeable is not humorous and vice-versa.
1751551;1513276560;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 13:49 shinohai: But the concept of a UBI is hilarious period.
1751552;1513276604;mircea_popescu;(humor necessarily feeds of contradiction of expectations ; hope is always and no matter how disguised continuation of expectation. the contradiction between the two is absolute and a matter of definition.)
1751553;1513276658;mircea_popescu;that's also why poor people, stupid people (but i repeat myself) and socialists, "democrats", pantsuits etc are so fucking unfunny. too hope-y, or rather, their intellects are too dysfunctional to handle contradiction, of whatever kind.
1751554;1513276707;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751446 << VERY late in the game to "not understand" this.
1751555;1513276707;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 15:38 asciilifeform: the 1 thing i still don't fully understand is why diana_coman's subdir gotta move
1751556;1513276741;mircea_popescu;the correct time to not understand it was LAST fuycking week, when http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748152
1751557;1513276741;a111;Logged on 2017-12-07 16:52 mircea_popescu: so then why can't she simply move the mpi/ dir into eucrypt/mpi/ and proceed ?
1751558;1513276744;ben_vulpes;always entertaining to watch "just wanted"s rack their nuts on the handrail of reality
1751559;1513276759;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1751560;1513276785;*;BingoBoingo will have to add that to hosting menu. How many nuts per RU?
1751561;1513276804;asciilifeform;4!1
1751562;1513276806;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751448 << because it's not a fucking sibling to fucking mpi
1751563;1513276806;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 15:39 asciilifeform: i.e. why can't 'eucrypt' be a ~sibling~ dir to 'mpi'
1751564;1513276820;ben_vulpes;none, cab should be threaded :D
1751565;1513276828;mircea_popescu;mpi is a SUB. and if it can't act the sub part it's getting cut out with hot irons and the ground where it stood salted.
1751566;1513276836;mircea_popescu;exactly like ANY OTHER piece of fucking useless heathenry
1751567;1513277107;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don't talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste.
1751568;1513277107;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 15:51 asciilifeform: phf: given example works with my vtron, oughta equally work with mod6's. and does the job (both from vtronic genealogy pov, and gnumake's -- the latter (see the makefile of my faux 'eucrypt') recurses updir ) the 1 down-side is aesthetics.
1751569;1513277306;*;asciilifeform dun have an answer, other than http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746586 .
1751570;1513277306;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 15:11 asciilifeform: and in general i dun expect any of it to be paid for, there is no tradition of any such thing. but i do have the possibly naive expectation of the work not to be shat on.
1751571;1513277326;mircea_popescu;this isn't work, what you're doing. this is anti-work.
1751572;1513277363;mircea_popescu;and it's not the first time ; it's the fucking third. every time she tried to get some sort of support from you, you acted the retarded usarmy desk flier, cost her 10x the time it'd have taken if she were camping in the desert.
1751573;1513277393;mircea_popescu;this is me opting out. now go read thefucking logs ; copy BY HAND on a notebook what you did wrong, in fucking gothic longhand, a dozen times, and get it in your thick skull.
1751574;1513277410;mircea_popescu;the world's not some sort of wide open grazing range where we can just randomly produce useless nonsense.
1751575;1513277656;asciilifeform;not as if asciilifeform hypnotized diana_coman into repeatedly requestion (unpaid!) support for her (commercial) proj from him.
1751576;1513277663;asciilifeform;*requesting
1751577;1513277692;mircea_popescu;so now that problem is solved ; go do something else, there shall be no more of this.
1751578;1513277722;*;asciilifeform returns to somethingelse
1751579;1513278504;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency gbp
1751580;1513278569;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Kraken BTCGBP last: 8031.0, vol: 0.03649989 | Volume-weighted last average: 8031.0
1751581;1513278581;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1751582;1513278644;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16349.16, vol: 13907.27801175 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16382.0, vol: 51961.20651967 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 13350.0, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16395.0, vol: 3078.69426607 | Volume-weighted last average: 16375.9563592
1751583;1513278663;BingoBoingo;Incredilag
1751584;1513278958;mircea_popescu;lag is always credible.
1751585;1513279097;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751486 << i considered this. it's not evidently broken, but i think it subtly is broken, and the principal cause of the failure of the unix actually -- a failure to correctly handle namespaces.
1751586;1513279097;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 16:13 phf: rs~ might a little bit more meaning out of the press namespace. one pill to satisfy later group of people would be to come up with a filesystem hierarchy standard, i.e. you always press at the same root, but you're pressing into a tmsr namespace. so it'll be /bin/bitcoin/... /lib/mpi/...
1751587;1513279148;mircea_popescu;yes we don't have a gns yet, but this doesn't excuse us from... doing the same computations by hand as if we had it! it's not suddenly allowable to go "well since i have no running water i therefore do not wash". no bitch -- since you have no running water, you walk fifty miles uphil each way to GET water in a bucket. still wash.
1751588;1513279178;asciilifeform;that'd mean tmsr-diff
1751589;1513279336;mircea_popescu;that could've meant tmsr-diff. what it means practically is that there's going to be a "new" mpi in eucrypt, textually identical to the genesis one ; and people will be re-reading and re-reading and RE-READING whole lots of the same exact code as if new, resulting in a situation where instead of the problem being pushed into "a filesystem hierarchy standard" it'll be pushed into a "code standard". which happens to be exactly
1751590;1513279336;mircea_popescu;like how oral culture worked, the concept of a trope, as found in folk tales, is really simply equivalent to "and this is how mpi goes, and this is how bubblesort goes..." and so on.
1751591;1513279421;mircea_popescu;over time it'll actually get systematized, as in the aaerne-thompson system for folk takes, or as in the tmsr-diff here. but that day is far into teh future.
1751592;1513279634;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu decides to have the eulora programmers not only copy the thing verbatim, as if v never existed, but to retype it, and whack'em with a stick for each mistyped letter, who am i to object . it's his proggy.
1751593;1513279711;mircea_popescu;contrary to naive intuition, there is no damage in re-reading old code as if it were new.
1751594;1513279721;asciilifeform;fwiw i do it ~all day, ~every day.
1751595;1513279725;mircea_popescu;in fact, i expect it will be the MAJORITY of work for humans in the future.
1751596;1513279733;asciilifeform;it's what i do for a living.
1751597;1513279766;asciilifeform;mechanical tools can make the job slightly smaller, or - when they're rubbish - slightly larger. but it remains.
1751598;1513280056;asciilifeform;incidentally if mircea_popescu wanted to go 'whole hog' re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751589 , could even throw out asciilifeform's mpi and make new one from the source material. see if it ends up same, possibly find new cuts.
1751599;1513280056;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 19:22 mircea_popescu: that could've meant tmsr-diff. what it means practically is that there's going to be a "new" mpi in eucrypt, textually identical to the genesis one ; and people will be re-reading and re-reading and RE-READING whole lots of the same exact code as if new, resulting in a situation where instead of the problem being pushed into "a filesystem hierarchy standard" it'll be pushed into a "code standard". which happens to be exactly
1751600;1513280078;*;asciilifeform promises not to cry , is old enuff
1751601;1513280092;mircea_popescu;that's ok, minigame delayed enough as it is.
1751602;1513280562;mircea_popescu;phf are you amenable to re-writing diff btw ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792 is going to happen later this year, and v-immutability is a pita.
1751603;1513280562;a111;Logged on 2017-12-06 22:51 mircea_popescu: once we have keccak.
1751604;1513280622;asciilifeform;iirc ben_vulpes had a prototype .
1751605;1513280707;ben_vulpes;mnope did not
1751606;1513280828;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider making a spec for the One Troo Diff ?
1751607;1513280835;*;asciilifeform promises to read
1751608;1513280871;mircea_popescu;kinda open matter yet ; but procedurally one takes the diff source code, genesises it, patches the differences and produces a drop-in diff replacement.
1751609;1513280889;asciilifeform;yea but mircea_popescu demanded sane namespace behaviour
1751610;1513281268;mircea_popescu;i'm letting him contribute, what. he understands what the problems are.
1751611;1513281286;mircea_popescu;maybe he bites the bullet and makes special files. or who the hell knows. i'm curious.
1751612;1513281341;mircea_popescu;you ~could have a diff format whereby first line is x y z with x = total line count, y notation line count z data line count, and then instead of +++ --- bs you just have line count references in the notation part.
1751613;1513281376;mircea_popescu;can EVEN KEEP the +++ --- style separators, but in the DATA segment
1751614;1513281386;mircea_popescu;making your file comvertible to old style patch through a truncation op.
1751615;1513281920;asciilifeform;( pertinent old threads -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595812 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596689 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596584 ; and elsewhere )
1751616;1513281920;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 21:14 mircea_popescu: v is really only as powerful as the underlying differ is.
1751617;1513281920;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 00:49 mircea_popescu: i do not wish to live in a world where people can make patches consisting of 512kb lines of a
1751618;1513281920;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 mircea_popescu: lines are good!
1751619;1513282248;mircea_popescu;!!up nocko
1751620;1513282249;deedbot;nocko voiced for 30 minutes.
1751621;1513282254;mircea_popescu;you new here ?
1751622;1513282276;asciilifeform;possibly http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749289
1751623;1513282276;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 21:23 nocko: I was linked to FFA guide, started looking around and am now here. I cannot say that I yet have half an idea what's going on... but hello.
1751624;1513282284;mircea_popescu;ah
1751625;1513282293;asciilifeform;!!key nocko
1751626;1513282294;deedbot;Not registered.
1751627;1513282309;asciilifeform;maybeshakespeare, maybeanothermanbysamename
1751628;1513282358;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat maneuvers.
1751629;1513282720;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751602 << i have some ideas of the first steps, that is i can make backwards compatible vpatched diff/patch
1751630;1513282720;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 19:42 mircea_popescu: phf are you amenable to re-writing diff btw ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792 is going to happen later this year, and v-immutability is a pita.
1751631;1513282733;mircea_popescu;how ?
1751632;1513282836;phf;take existing stuff, strip it down to just what we already have -ruN functionality. i think that the actual tools should be vdiff and vpatch, that is they do shasuming themselves and produce proper vpatches/apply proper vpatches, but without chain or signature validation.
1751633;1513282883;mircea_popescu;why without ?
1751634;1513282966;phf;well, signature validation is done by gnupg, i don't see any reason to bring that whole thing in, and there's very little reason to system("gnupg ...")
1751635;1513282990;mircea_popescu;mpi ?
1751636;1513282994;phf;chain validation needs to only go as far as "does the hash on the file that i'm about to patch corresponds to what i expect"
1751637;1513283002;mircea_popescu;the whole idea is to eg import keccak from eucrypt
1751638;1513283021;mircea_popescu;and why would diff/patch be outside of vtroner is the larger design question
1751639;1513283072;phf;mpi is a fraction of what gnupg is, are we then moving away from pgp keys and signatures?
1751640;1513283085;mircea_popescu;idea is to use tmsr-rsa anyway
1751641;1513283164;phf;hmm
1751642;1513283185;phf;this then is entirely unscoped
1751643;1513283191;mircea_popescu;it is. open discussion.
1751644;1513283255;mircea_popescu;in principle we could do incremental builds ; but only if they can be cleanly upgraded later, that's a major point.
1751645;1513283339;phf;in my thinking vtroner is a larger beast, that's responsible for the management of the entire press chain. patch/diff are dealing with a specific problem of comparing two states, producing a difference of those two tays, and then taking a state into a next state according to differences
1751646;1513283363;mircea_popescu;so basically keep them modular ?
1751647;1513283385;mircea_popescu;can you imagine any other context besides pressing this new diff/patch would be used in ?
1751648;1513283396;phf;from that perspective both vdiff and vpatch ~could~ also produce a corresponding sig, in which case the protocol is that patch/diff produce an always valid vpatch (i.e. vpatch/sig combination)
1751649;1513283421;mircea_popescu;how can they sig for you
1751650;1513283437;phf;i thought that's what you were talking about?
1751651;1513283445;mircea_popescu;no ?
1751652;1513283456;mircea_popescu;~check~ signatures.
1751653;1513283457;phf;or the thinking that vdiff doesn't sig, but then vpatch expects a sig never the less?
1751654;1513283457;mircea_popescu;not produce them
1751655;1513283479;mircea_popescu;and yes.
1751656;1513283486;mircea_popescu;sign in your sign room, mofo.
1751657;1513283686;phf;i don't think that's a good idea, but i can't articulate an objection. vpatch now needs to know about your wot and wot management, or else the process of patching now becomes explicitly providing a pub key, a corresponding sig and a vpatch itself.
1751658;1513283694;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have to be decided now.
1751659;1513283710;mircea_popescu;isn't the latter actually ideal, protocol wise ?
1751660;1513283865;phf;well, this goes back to the threads about whether or not it makes sense to patch sigs on your workbench. i use patch in my workflow frequently outside of pressing a tree to bring things from one state into another. i might have a dozen of unsigned patches, that i'm working with that won't see the light of day
1751661;1513283935;phf;in this case the value of proper vpatch/vdiff is that they never produce fuzzy patches and always validate the shasum for you, but they don't do the v-tronic management
1751662;1513283944;mircea_popescu;aaaa
1751663;1513283959;mircea_popescu;you're absolutely right. patch process must be much looser than this.
1751664;1513284107;phf;actually phf-shiva-swank is still broken in the experimental patchset, because it was produced by vdiff/patch combination (vdiff made some claims of shasums, which patch didn't verify. the fact that i should've verified the press is a different question)
1751665;1513284264;mircea_popescu;hm.
1751666;1513284342;phf;btw one of the reasons for dodgy delete function in the diff is that patches theoretically a reversible, -'ing all the lines of file can conversely be +'d back
1751667;1513284588;phf;but anyway, i'm not convinced that file management is a proper concern for diff. we could add it to a diff format, by placing some instructions in the prelude (which is normally ignored by unix patchers). rm src/foo.c, mv src/foo.c src/bar.c which can be used as instructions for reader with non compliant patchers, or parsed by the vpatcher to be executed. this is all incredibly inband, but conforms to the medium
1751668;1513284638;mircea_popescu;the fact that unix diff is directory blind is an idiocy larger than commonly encountered in that thing's misdesign
1751669;1513284656;mircea_popescu;a file is not "its contents and AN ARBITRARY TRUNCATION OF ITS NAME"
1751670;1513284665;mircea_popescu;and a file's fucking name is its absolute path, not the last bit thereof.
1751671;1513284747;mircea_popescu;but whatever, in 1970 people couldn't afford disks with actual directory structure in them
1751672;1513284902;phf;diff/patch allows for absolute paths, we don't them it though
1751673;1513284944;mircea_popescu;i don't know how it allows if i can't move a god damned file.
1751674;1513284988;phf;well, moving of the file is a filesystem operation, what does it have to do with ~diffing~?
1751675;1513285009;mircea_popescu;that the name of the file is the file.
1751676;1513285011;mircea_popescu;the FILE has changed.
1751677;1513285073;phf;sure, but diff's way of indicating change is to show what happened to a file, that is all the lines of the file got deleted
1751678;1513285075;mircea_popescu;if i edit glib.c and replace line 50 with "fuck you stallman", and then try to compile glib.c, i get an error. if i edit glib.c and MOVE glib.c to /fuck/you/stallman/glib.c, and try to compile glib.c, i get an error
1751679;1513285087;mircea_popescu;ergo, BOTH these operations have been edits of the file.
1751680;1513285099;mircea_popescu;phf and in that diff is designed by turkeys.
1751681;1513285158;phf;diff has two things that it can signal: an addition of a line, and a deletion of a line, which is in line with what it claims to diff, i.e. diffing of lines
1751682;1513285169;phf;*claims to do
1751683;1513285179;trinque;problem stemming from that unix uses file path as a matter of identity, and allows this to be mutable (!)
1751684;1513285181;trinque;can't be both
1751685;1513285196;mircea_popescu;^
1751686;1513285205;mircea_popescu;trinque's statement is perfectly acceptable.
1751687;1513285253;phf;but then the question is what is the responsibility of diff
1751688;1513285261;mircea_popescu;phf sure, and subsistence hunting has two things that it can do, throw rock or jab spear. this is in line with it being an occupation of idiots invented by idiotws.
1751689;1513285280;phf;fwiw diff can't even know that a file has been moved
1751690;1513285290;mircea_popescu;but it can know that it's not in the same directory.
1751691;1513285296;phf;no, it can't
1751692;1513285314;mircea_popescu;"the difference between a/fuckyoustallman.c and b/fuckyoustallman.c is 1) that one's in a and the other in b ; 2) no further"
1751693;1513285325;mircea_popescu;why can't it ?
1751694;1513285351;phf;if you do mkdir a; touch foo; touch a/foo; mv foo a/foo;
1751695;1513285390;phf;there's no way of knowing without having a complete history of states whether or not foo was moved or removed
1751696;1513285407;mircea_popescu;but you can know that one foo is in a and the other not
1751697;1513285416;mircea_popescu;diff compares two items, not an item to itself
1751698;1513285475;mircea_popescu;when i say diff a/foo b/foo, diff fails to output "one is in a, the other in b" as the first fucking item on its list of differences. this is because the (idiots) that made diff thought they gain something by eliding "the trivial case".
1751699;1513285479;mircea_popescu;this turns out to not have been so
1751700;1513285490;mircea_popescu;"of course the user knows they're not in the same dir duh" is no design logic.
1751701;1513285496;phf;wut
1751702;1513285535;phf;it's precisely first item it outputs
1751703;1513285550;mircea_popescu;then WHY!!!! can't i use it to move files!!11
1751704;1513285655;phf;diff can't know if the newly appeared item that's identical to an item that exists elsewhere in previous state has been moved there from the elsewhere or created in situ
1751705;1513285677;phf;you can communicate that information through a patch format, but that's not something ~diff~ can guess about
1751706;1513285686;mircea_popescu;i dun get what the problem is.
1751707;1513285739;mircea_popescu;if you have a : a/b a/c and b : b/b b/d/c it is thereby evident upon diffing a and b that c was moved from a/ to b/d/ if a/c contents === b/d/c contents.
1751708;1513285741;phf;say you have /a/foo and you have /a/bar/foo where both foo are identical. you're running diff -ruN a b, what is the expected behavior?
1751709;1513285741;mircea_popescu;what's to guess ?
1751710;1513285806;phf;by your previous question you're saying that diff is supposed to say that foo was moved
1751711;1513285807;mircea_popescu;this'd require all file movements to be a separate patch, as you can't both move and edit in the same go. which imo is bonus the right thing
1751712;1513285818;mircea_popescu;phf yeah ?
1751713;1513285873;phf;what if you have /a/foo and /b/bar/foo, /b/qux/foo where all foo are identical?
1751714;1513285900;mircea_popescu;then the first one was moved and the other created.
1751715;1513285920;mircea_popescu;also, if it dies a flaming death in this case that'd be very acceptable, and fuck you for keeping duplicates like that.
1751716;1513285962;phf;so basically hash sums trump namespacing always
1751717;1513285976;mircea_popescu;it's why we have them
1751718;1513285991;mircea_popescu;"file's identity" as per trinque
1751719;1513286018;phf;in that case we should probably forbid hash identical files to be in different paths
1751720;1513286052;mircea_popescu;kinda what i said above
1751721;1513286079;mircea_popescu;we have long ago de facto forbidden hash-identical files ~from being~. anything, at all.
1751722;1513286085;phf;(that was by the way how btcbase patcher worked for a long time, until i had to modify it because there are placeholder items in bitcoin source code that are at different filepaths)
1751723;1513286086;mircea_popescu;hence the keccak instead of curent whatever it is.
1751724;1513286100;mircea_popescu;phf because it's the logical way for it to work
1751725;1513286176;mircea_popescu;but this is why this discussion was so important : it has in fact emerged that the correct implementation of diff would first a) calculate hash of all files in each dir ; then b) process moves and only then c) do the diffing.
1751726;1513286338;phf;not restricted to moves by the way, there's also copy. there's a certain symmetry lost though. if you say make a genesis with 3 empty files a b c, then they are fresh line patches. but the patch against that that creates another 3 empty files puts cp a x; cp a y; cp a z; in the prelude instead
1751727;1513286354;mircea_popescu;anywya, this system'd be purrfect : if hash unchanged, "this is THE SAME file by a different name (or path, same thing" ; if hash changed "this is DIFFERENT FILE by same name"
1751728;1513286364;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751721 << ftr my orig v eggogs, 'cyclic graph!' if any new-hash is == to any old-hash
1751729;1513286364;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 21:14 mircea_popescu: we have long ago de facto forbidden hash-identical files ~from being~. anything, at all.
1751730;1513286370;mircea_popescu;phf no such thing as empty lines. put a fucking comment in there.
1751731;1513286386;mircea_popescu;empty files* i mean
1751732;1513286404;phf;mircea_popescu: well, empty file does have a shasum
1751733;1513286424;mircea_popescu;if you put empty files in your project i will personally chase you down in the afterlife.
1751734;1513286426;phf;but in this model you can have only one
1751735;1513286492;mircea_popescu;tbh i don't even understand why the machine permits such insanity. an empty file is very much a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738478 trigger
1751736;1513286492;a111;Logged on 2017-11-14 22:08 asciilifeform must invoke herr babbage, 'i cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion of ideas...'
1751737;1513286544;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a cmachineism -- 'hey this register CAN haz a 0 in it, ergo lengths of 0 are permissible'. observe that i banished this idiocy from ffa planet
1751738;1513286548;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751683
1751739;1513286548;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 20:59 trinque: problem stemming from that unix uses file path as a matter of identity, and allows this to be mutable (!)
1751740;1513286554;asciilifeform;( where length of FZ 0 is ~not~ permitted, because wtf )
1751741;1513286590;mircea_popescu;we evidently also ~could~ add filename to the hash. but i dun wanna.
1751742;1513286621;asciilifeform;you could in phf's unified-namespace thing, but i dun see how else otherwise
1751743;1513286631;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1751744;1513286852;phf;(fwiw so far i've been using patches prelude to stuff metainformation there. one interesting property of patching an already pressed lisp system, is that you don't want a clean press. instead you want to find what state your system is, and then press it further down the chain. but because you don't want to restart the system likewise, you want some additional actions performed as you're moving down the press chain. so i've been using prelude as a place
1751745;1513286852;phf; to put lisp commands that need to be run after the source has been pressed to the current patche's state.)
1751746;1513286877;shinohai;"We're excited to announce that your Blockchain wallet is now offering full support for Bitcoin Cash! "
1751747;1513286883;shinohai;Why even bother with Bitcoin
1751748;1513286953;asciilifeform;phf: consider posting example ?
1751749;1513286968;mircea_popescu;phf interesting
1751750;1513287056;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751725 << the retardation of unixdiff is unfortunately not limited to file moves. it also has no ability to represent , e.g., sections of a file moving ( iirc this came up during the original genesis thread )
1751751;1513287056;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 21:16 mircea_popescu: but this is why this discussion was so important : it has in fact emerged that the correct implementation of diff would first a) calculate hash of all files in each dir ; then b) process moves and only then c) do the diffing.
1751752;1513287065;asciilifeform;it's a pathetically dumb state machine.
1751753;1513287165;asciilifeform;the tragicomic part is that i picked plain old diff for vtronics 'so that patches will be readable'
1751754;1513287209;asciilifeform;( and 'everyone already has it, and it works' etc )
1751755;1513287250;asciilifeform;whereas if you want to be able to compactly represent ~arbitrary transforms of text and of dirs, you end up with something like sed on top of a... text representation of a tar ?
1751756;1513287308;asciilifeform;( or even with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596596 . )
1751757;1513287308;a111;Logged on 2017-01-05 00:29 asciilifeform: so, one possible diff might be : \4\i'm \+15\quite certainly \80\not fucking learning an aminoacid matrix to be able to use diff i tell you that
1751758;1513287587;asciilifeform;incidentally mircea_popescu , phf , consider a particular cut : suppose that ( otherwise unchanged ) diff format did not mention paths at all, only hashes. and there is a separate section, 'manifest', that is table of hashes to paths. during press, the latter is eaten and traditional unix dir appears.
1751759;1513287601;mircea_popescu;too many knobs
1751760;1513287608;asciilifeform;it's 1 knob.
1751761;1513287624;asciilifeform;and does away with the horror chamber of 'i moved a file, where did the 10 MB of crud come from'
1751762;1513287664;asciilifeform;i dunno that the addition of a knob to divorce from the idiocy of unixpathism , is really escapable
1751763;1513287675;asciilifeform;it'll have to be solved , in some way, with at least 1 knob.
1751764;1513287723;ben_vulpes;if i recall correctly, the empty files are necessary to hold the output of trbs compilation process
1751765;1513287738;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: only because unix diff , again , is retarded
1751766;1513287758;asciilifeform;and pretends that empty dirs don't matter, but somehow a dir that is empty BUT for 1 emptyfile -- is nonempty.
1751767;1513287767;asciilifeform;it's rubbish.
1751768;1513287831;asciilifeform;observe that in e.g. ffa , used nonempty placeholders.
1751769;1513287859;asciilifeform;( trb-genesis, for better or worse, was a plain cut of the original material. ended up preserving the idiocy of empty file. )
1751770;1513288131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't specifically need a manifest, as per discussion (have you been reading the discussion ?) ; can just follow the hashes.
1751771;1513289006;asciilifeform;aha caught up
1751772;1513289010;asciilifeform;imho this is the troo cut
1751773;1513289014;asciilifeform;make paths non-special
1751774;1513289025;asciilifeform;and just text, and subject to diffing like any other text.
1751775;1513289071;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1751776;1513289191;mod6;ben_vulpes: also, patch will not even create those output directories for the build process if the dir doesn't contain at least 1 file.  it simply ignores them.
1751777;1513289202;mircea_popescu;^
1751778;1513289204;mod6;it's idiotic.
1751779;1513290937;mircea_popescu;;h]
1751780;1513290943;mircea_popescu;phf any word on specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751612 ?
1751781;1513290943;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 19:55 mircea_popescu: you ~could have a diff format whereby first line is x y z with x = total line count, y notation line count z data line count, and then instead of +++ --- bs you just have line count references in the notation part.
1751782;1513291064;phf;i'm not sure this is necessary, patch already contains line count information in the @ ... @ part
1751783;1513291102;phf;+++ --- is there not for content parsing, but for allowing an arbitrary prelude (that is for including patches in email)
1751784;1513291175;phf;the reason why we have issues with +++ and --- is because vdiff specifically ignores the @ ... @ bits when postprocessing a patch. a complete vdiff-er wouldn't have to do that kind of post processing and can produce a valid patch always
1751785;1513291276;mircea_popescu;but this would remove the inband-ness
1751786;1513291412;phf;i'm not sure where inband-ness even comes from. patch format has a header of a format 'command used to produce this diff\nsource file\ndestination file\n@@ specific numbers of lines to follow @@\nlines"
1751787;1513291447;phf;so you're proposing to move @@ ... @@ to before "command used" part
1751788;1513291453;mircea_popescu;well, because specific headers used to adnotate (@, +, -) can also appear in the text adnotated
1751789;1513291470;phf;yes, and they won't make a difference!
1751790;1513291474;mircea_popescu;i am in a word proposing to put all the @@ type adnotations in the begining ; and all data at the end
1751791;1513291494;mircea_popescu;but i suppose you're right, a correct v-differ would just follow the extant protocol properly and not have the problem
1751792;1513291551;mircea_popescu;in other news, anyone wanna do a 20bux paypal for me ?
1751793;1513291554;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron ?
1751794;1513291556;phf;our inband problems stem purely from not utilizing @@ ... @@ information
1751795;1513291562;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, sure
1751796;1513291568;mircea_popescu;1sec
1751797;1513291686;mircea_popescu;in other crossposts, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-12-14.log.html#t22:44:09
1751798;1513291687;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-12-14 22:44:09:  this is a real testement to quality of S.NSA and its products
1751799;1513291756;mircea_popescu;phf so basically this is cropping down nicely after all. proper vpatch (fixing mod6 's bane, the empty dir thing) + proper vdiff (hash-based preprocessing of rename/move + proper use of @@...@@ + keccak hashing).
1751800;1513291773;mircea_popescu;by the looks of it, sometime in january. that works ?
1751801;1513291785;phf;should be doable
1751802;1513291821;mircea_popescu;cool.
1751803;1513291908;phf;hmm, there's a bit of complexity there as far as producing files/directories shuffle, which might take longer, but i'll start with paring things down. i haven't yet seen diff/patch sources closely!
1751804;1513291965;mircea_popescu;kinda why im giving you a two week lead here.
1751805;1513292017;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron pm
1751806;1513292100;mircea_popescu;that came out a lot dumber than intended. how about "plenty of time yet"
1751807;1513292105;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/14/eucrypt-chapter-2-a-source-of-randomness/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 2: A Source of Randomness
1751808;1513292284;diana_coman;to round up the previous thread: previous patch on mpi remains in place but linked to standalone mpi project; EuCrypt got is own genesis patch that creates *the whole currently known structure*; each chapter comes with its own patch adding content
1751809;1513292337;mircea_popescu;onwards&upwards
1751810;1513292496;phf;верной дорогой идете, товарищи
1751811;1513303043;phf;diana_coman: since you basically split from mpi, i put you into a separate project http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=eucrypt
1751812;1513303049;mircea_popescu;diana_coman one that I actually bought link to http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/ neh ? mightaswell...
1751813;1513303056;phf;asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb/ is that what you used for your model f?
1751814;1513303438;phf;ah found relevant bits in logs http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540407
1751815;1513303438;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 17:26 phf: asciilifeform: are you using breadboarded/soldered version, or you ended up printing the pcb too for the keyboard controller?
1751816;1513304362;asciilifeform;aha phf, it
1751817;1513304415;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751799 << this sounds mightily spiffy
1751818;1513304415;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 22:49 mircea_popescu: phf so basically this is cropping down nicely after all. proper vpatch (fixing mod6 's bane, the empty dir thing) + proper vdiff (hash-based preprocessing of rename/move + proper use of @@...@@ + keccak hashing).
1751819;1513304640;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751797 << lolneato. congrats on success of FG dealership, danielpbarron
1751820;1513304640;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 22:48 mircea_popescu: in other crossposts, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-12-14.log.html#t22:44:09
1751821;1513304733;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751803 << at one time i linked to 'diff' src here, when hunting for ordering nonuniformity that turned out to be a uniturdism . it made koch's war crime, look clean.
1751822;1513304733;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 22:51 phf: hmm, there's a bit of complexity there as far as producing files/directories shuffle, which might take longer, but i'll start with paring things down. i haven't yet seen diff/patch sources closely!
1751823;1513304848;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-21#1246540 << thread.
1751824;1513304848;a111;Logged on 2015-08-21 01:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this on for size:
1751825;1513305278;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751807 << the fg link goes to my www , naked , which imho is not obviously relevant : i recommend https://archive.is/CGQkR instead
1751826;1513305278;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 22:55 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/14/eucrypt-chapter-2-a-source-of-randomness/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 2: A Source of Randomness
1751827;1513314275;deedbot;mats: gpg: error reading key: public key not foundhttp://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MThmG/?raw=true
1751828;1513314283;trinque;oh bother
1751829;1513314298;deedbot;mats: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zYtbh/?raw=true
1751830;1513325762;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751812 <- it is indeed linked, just a minute later, on additional cost
1751831;1513325762;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 mircea_popescu: diana_coman one that I actually bought link to http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/ neh ? mightaswell...
1751832;1513325788;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751811 <- that's great, thank you
1751833;1513325788;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 phf: diana_coman: since you basically split from mpi, i put you into a separate project http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=eucrypt
1751834;1513325964;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751825 <- there is the FG banner that is quite obvious; in any case, I'm still hoping there will be a tmsr isp hence the s.nsa shop page back so that I can link to it directly
1751835;1513325964;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 02:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751807 << the fg link goes to my www , naked , which imho is not obviously relevant : i recommend https://archive.is/CGQkR instead
1751836;1513333108;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, on 2nd thought it does make more sense to link it on bought than on cost, indeed; updated, thank you
1751837;1513341992;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750325 << Sorry I missed this earlier shinohai. They actually are not on every street corner. What's common are real estate agents.
1751838;1513341992;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 15:29 shinohai: BingoBoingo: In the society you are in, likely un consultador puede ser encontrado en cado rincon no?
1751839;1513343515;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1751840;1513343520;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17701.62, vol: 18558.02299130 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17852.0, vol: 62003.0759808 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17785.5, vol: 4040.6080835 | Volume-weighted last average: 17815.836948
1751841;1513343539;BingoBoingo;Ah, resumption de crashing
1751842;1513347541;RagnarDanneskjol;mircea_popescu  2 translator candidates are entering chan shortly and will be on standby here all weekend.  One other is coming later.  They have been ready - delay was on my end.   Their nicks are iangeker, Yan, and Kev - all are on China time, so getting late now.  None are GPG'd or anything yet.
1751843;1513348283;mircea_popescu;cool.
1751844;1513348285;BingoBoingo;In other delights: here they have some sort of children's cookie which is notable for not being especialy sweet aside from the white chocolate chips. Back in old country these treats would not be marketable as health food.
1751845;1513348350;BingoBoingo;!!Up Kev
1751846;1513348351;deedbot;Kev voiced for 30 minutes.
1751847;1513348367;BingoBoingo;Kev: Hola, que tal?
1751848;1513348450;Kev;Hey guy, just new to this thing, still trying to figure it out
1751849;1513348472;BingoBoingo;Welcome
1751850;1513348484;BingoBoingo;Keep coming back, it works when you work it.
1751851;1513348531;Kev;sure
1751852;1513348593;BingoBoingo;Feel free to tell la gente about yourself
1751853;1513348719;RagnarDanneskjol;Kev - Mircea is here if you'd like to talk to him about the translation work and tell him a bit about yourself
1751854;1513348931;RagnarDanneskjol;...asking me on wechat about IRC stuff
1751855;1513348959;Kev;Well, this is Kevin who from China Shenzhen which beside HongKong
1751856;1513348994;mircea_popescu;o hey. RagnarDanneskjol sent you ?
1751857;1513349002;BingoBoingo;Kev: Is your chinese language primarily Mandarin or Cantonese?
1751858;1513349062;Kev;I do both
1751859;1513349086;mircea_popescu;you can't have two primaries. what did your mother speak ?
1751860;1513349165;Kev;actually Mandarin Cantonese both are similar, for me kind like the difference between American English and British English
1751861;1513349175;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1751862;1513349181;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17706.58, vol: 19014.09051238 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17702.0, vol: 62916.19424056 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17690.1, vol: 4006.79436463 | Volume-weighted last average: 17702.4585178
1751863;1513349190;mircea_popescu;!~calc 20 / 17702
1751864;1513349192;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 20 / 17702 = 0.0011298158400180772
1751865;1513349202;RagnarDanneskjol;please answer the question still Kev.  which is your primary??
1751866;1513349222;mircea_popescu;!!pay danielpbarron 0.00112981
1751867;1513349223;Kev;But I speak with my parents with Mandarin, and school mate or friend more by Cantonese
1751868;1513349226;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/P05ny/?raw=true
1751869;1513349256;mircea_popescu;Kev ok, so you're a guy, living in shenzen (where ?), and you'd like to work for the republic.
1751870;1513349268;mircea_popescu;where did you go to school, how old are you and what's your employment history ?
1751871;1513349308;Kev;shenzhen is just above HongKong
1751872;1513349324;BingoBoingo;Kev: Shenzen is a big place
1751873;1513349341;mircea_popescu;Kev ok, that will do. thank you for your time, there's no intertest at this time.
1751874;1513349356;Kev;I did my School in China before Uni, and take my degree in Singapore
1751875;1513349363;mircea_popescu;!!down Kev
1751876;1513349434;mircea_popescu;in case anyone's curious, the 20 bux was for encouraging the folk who made viking age, which is a quite passible browser game. sorta old warcraft style graphically, othertwise a tower defense married to the old bonbon "city development" azn thing.
1751877;1513349573;shinohai;gm mircea_popescu, feliz Viernes!
1751878;1513349587;mircea_popescu;o shit i have to pick up suits today.
1751879;1513349600;BingoBoingo;Congratulations!
1751880;1513349605;mircea_popescu;thanks god you said anything lmao, i'd have totally forgotten tis fri today o.O
1751881;1513349672;trinque;I'll be having wisdom teeth sawed out in a bit. Will be available for botops much later, when various sedatives wear off.
1751882;1513349685;shinohai;lol. My support crosses Eulora boundaries! xD
1751883;1513349690;BingoBoingo;trinque: Godspeed.
1751884;1513349701;shinohai;Damn trinque .... be well B
1751885;1513349711;trinque;eh routine thing, but ty!
1751886;1513349713;BingoBoingo;In other discoveries... My venezualan spanish teacher is a dentist by training.
1751887;1513349717;mircea_popescu;i still have mine. apparently they work well.
1751888;1513349883;BingoBoingo;Has to be your superior genetics at work.
1751889;1513349889;mircea_popescu;eh.
1751890;1513349901;BingoBoingo;Everything but full color vision!
1751891;1513349917;mircea_popescu;i dunno, one actually got A CAVITY. years ago. dentist dutifully put a tiny obturation on it and that's been all.
1751892;1513349939;mircea_popescu;took like 5 passes to make one small enough, also. "i've never done this before".
1751893;1513349943;mircea_popescu;coming from 50yo...
1751894;1513349970;mod6;o.O
1751895;1513350022;mod6;<+trinque> I'll be having wisdom teeth sawed out in a bit. Will be available for botops much later, when various sedatives wear off. << gl!
1751896;1513350147;BingoBoingo;Hoy, Montevideo tiene mucho calor.
1751897;1513350560;shinohai;Tiene? O hace?
1751898;1513350850;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ah i see, missed that.
1751899;1513351228;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Idiomatic expression
1751900;1513351952;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i... have my doubts :D
1751901;1513352047;BingoBoingo;I am in caveman/parrot phase.
1751902;1513352173;shinohai;I guarantee you won't go home hungry.
1751903;1513352182;shinohai;Next time you are in town and they have those .... what do you call fela markets there, ferias? Ask for "Un caldo de pollon muy rico" BingoBoingo
1751904;1513352234;shinohai;s/fela/flea
1751905;1513352396;BingoBoingo;I just have to say, bless Venezuala's economy for making my humiliation sessions so affordable.
1751906;1513352431;mircea_popescu;o.O
1751907;1513352663;BingoBoingo;Turns out self study and hardware store spanish was insufficient to offer a tremendous fluencey on arrival, so venezualan girl has been retained to speed up the fluency acquisition process.
1751908;1513352735;shinohai;In 6 months BingoBoingo you won't even realize you are conversing fluently.
1751909;1513352772;mircea_popescu;^
1751910;1513352838;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is this the tutor mentioned earlier, or an inpatient gurl
1751911;1513352855;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Tutor mentioned earlier. The dentist by training.
1751912;1513352881;BingoBoingo;Who dayjobs as English teacher.
1751913;1513352912;shinohai;I can think of no more useful assistant to have in a 3rd-world country. Those 3 am impacted wisdom teeth are no joke.
1751914;1513352968;BingoBoingo;Well, 1ster world than USia
1751915;1513352984;shinohai;True.
1751916;1513352992;BingoBoingo;Whiter population even!
1751917;1513353042;shinohai;Actually, lots of SA is looking more "First world" (from my ideal, anyways) than the US lately. The trailer-park culture creep is real here.
1751918;1513353151;mircea_popescu;i dunno how this "retirement vehicle" thing became popular (i could guess) ; but it's evident.
1751919;1513353353;BingoBoingo;Retirement vehicle is a different kind of poverty than trailer park. Trailer park trailer is not mobile denotes still greater poverty.
1751920;1513353416;shinohai;Trailer park trailers can't drive away when you make sulfur gas clouds feed into the ventilation system either! :D
1751921;1513353451;asciilifeform;'vehicle' is a stretch, they're ~shippingcontainer
1751922;1513353455;BingoBoingo;Most common use of retirement vehicle I remember from old country is where the fail kids live in their Baby boomer parent's yards.
1751923;1513353505;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In my part of old country retirement vehicle is typically malformed bus. Trailer park trailer is the shipping container shanty.
1751924;1513353508;shinohai;Rolling RV meth labs are a close second.
1751925;1513353562;BingoBoingo;Eh, the pop bottle method shrank many of the mobile ones to shitty gm go karts producing for personal use
1751926;1513353697;shinohai;I never understood that, the pop bottle thing. Mexican meth is like super cheap, all but the poorest of poorfags could get some even.
1751927;1513353709;shinohai;So much more pure.
1751928;1513353762;BingoBoingo;Well, consider that some of them may have failed out of being able to maintain even positive enough to buy relations with their suppliers.
1751929;1513353809;mircea_popescu;^
1751930;1513353820;BingoBoingo;Brb, tengo que hacer pipi.
1751931;1513353825;mircea_popescu;"economic unpriviledged status" is always a personal failure.
1751932;1513353836;mircea_popescu;dude's too annoying to have any friends -> 0 opportunities.
1751933;1513353915;shinohai;"Hey Vern, go out to the barn and get the GC-MS ... these here dimethacrylates look like they got contaminated by that there RC-cola bottle.
1751934;1513353936;asciilifeform;lol!
1751935;1513353944;asciilifeform;paging gabriel_laddel !
1751936;1513353949;shinohai;kek
1751937;1513354682;BingoBoingo;In other three years later drama. The Bitcoin bowl has been replaced by... "The Bitcoin Arena" home to some Danish hockey team.
1751938;1513354790;shinohai;!!up robbinhood
1751939;1513354791;deedbot;robbinhood voiced for 30 minutes.
1751940;1513354863;mircea_popescu;aww
1751941;1513354872;mircea_popescu;fiat just dun stick to bit-coin does it.
1751942;1513354889;robbinhood;hi mircea_popescu
1751943;1513354895;mircea_popescu;hello robbinhood
1751944;1513354897;BingoBoingo;No, it really doesn't
1751945;1513354914;BingoBoingo;hello Robin da Hood
1751946;1513354946;robbinhood;I'm here to talk about the translator position
1751947;1513354990;mircea_popescu;you know it's odd, you're the 2nd guy claling it "translator position". the item actually is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736490
1751948;1513354990;a111;Logged on 2017-11-12 16:18 mircea_popescu: the republic is looking for an office girl in mailand china, if you know anyone.
1751949;1513355004;mircea_popescu;now, are you a girl, are you in china etcetera.
1751950;1513355027;RagnarDanneskjol;i identified 4f, 2m
1751951;1513355036;RagnarDanneskjol;was not clear m is totally out
1751952;1513355049;mircea_popescu;it's not totally out, no.
1751953;1513355081;mircea_popescu;but, evaluation is evaluation. gotta get some concrete details out of teh applicant.
1751954;1513355087;RagnarDanneskjol;sure
1751955;1513355110;robbinhood;yes, i'm in China. I'm male
1751956;1513355116;mircea_popescu;in china, where.
1751957;1513355134;robbinhood;Dalian in Liaoning province
1751958;1513355160;mircea_popescu;"yes im in china" is a very wasteful way to answer that question. try something like x neighbourhood y city, which is so and so and here's a pic i took last week on my blog.
1751959;1513355164;mircea_popescu;much better.
1751960;1513355171;mircea_popescu;how old are you ? did you go to school ?
1751961;1513355227;robbinhood;I'm 25 and still in College
1751962;1513355250;mircea_popescu;s/college/so and so insdtitution doing so and so programme/
1751963;1513355259;mircea_popescu;be specific.
1751964;1513355370;robbinhood;Senior in Dalian University of Technology, learning Computer Science
1751965;1513355387;mircea_popescu;is this your last year ? or is it a 2nd undegraduate you're completing ?
1751966;1513355429;robbinhood;last year, undergraduate programme
1751967;1513355438;mircea_popescu;did you have a job before ?
1751968;1513355510;robbinhood;no but I work as a freelance translator
1751969;1513355558;mircea_popescu;ok, so - you finished highschool seven years ago. in this interval you did three years of college (current being fourth) and what else ?\
1751970;1513355784;robbinhood;finished highschool when I was 20, then there was 1 year break of study
1751971;1513355805;mircea_popescu;well... "break of study", what's that. were you in jail ? did you run off to europe ?
1751972;1513355807;robbinhood;I was trying to learn computer programming
1751973;1513355830;BingoBoingo;Ah, in ownjail
1751974;1513355840;mircea_popescu;robbinhood so how did you pay for it ?
1751975;1513355910;robbinhood;worked as freelance translator online
1751976;1513355943;mircea_popescu;ah, like get a freelancer or w/e they're called ?
1751977;1513356003;robbinhood;sorry, I didn't understand what you meant
1751978;1513356049;mircea_popescu;you worded as a freelance translator online, on one of the "hire freelancers" websites, such as freelancer.com
1751979;1513356069;mircea_popescu;worked* not worded lol.
1751980;1513356102;robbinhood;you are right
1751981;1513356114;mircea_popescu;aha. got a profile or anything ?
1751982;1513356131;robbinhood;now I am working on fiverr.com
1751983;1513356150;mircea_popescu;aha. let's see ?
1751984;1513356232;robbinhood;www.fiverr.com/fxy_nenu
1751985;1513356258;mircea_popescu;do you live independently ? or with parents ? or ?
1751986;1513356322;robbinhood;I live in university dormitory with my classmates
1751987;1513356416;mircea_popescu;alright. what would you say 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院。is in english ?
1751988;1513356503;shinohai;Well, I see "Bitch" in there. This is why I don't translate Chinese.
1751989;1513356613;BingoBoingo;!!Up robbinhood
1751990;1513356613;deedbot;robbinhood voiced for 30 minutes.
1751991;1513356755;robbinhood;sorry I was disconnected
1751992;1513356768;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751987
1751993;1513356768;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 16:46 mircea_popescu: alright. what would you say 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院。is in english ?
1751994;1513356779;robbinhood;With me, it is your bitch slap you in prison, and with all of the National Asylum
1751995;1513356793;mircea_popescu;hm.
1751996;1513356815;mircea_popescu;would you ideally prefer to work 20 hour weeks or 40 hour weeks ?
1751997;1513356892;robbinhood;I prefer to work 20 hours
1751998;1513356955;mircea_popescu;alright. that concludes this first phase, which you've survived. im guessing a decision will fall in about two weeks, i'll notify you by name here in either case. you can see it by looking for http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+%22robbinhood%22
1751999;1513356974;mircea_popescu;in the meanwhile -- it'd be a very good idea to make yourself a pgp key and register it with deedbot.
1752000;1513357006;mircea_popescu;shinohai was there a noob primer for this i keep forgetting
1752001;1513357033;shinohai;Was on Eulorum wiki I think?
1752002;1513357037;mircea_popescu;ah right.
1752003;1513357051;shinohai;I've been meaning to do a totally new, 2018 trilema writeup of all that.
1752004;1513357073;*;shinohai the trilema wiki got put on back burner, I forgot why.
1752005;1513357073;mircea_popescu;so was trinque. lol.
1752006;1513357089;robbinhood;okay, I'll do that
1752007;1513357097;shinohai;Oh that's right! I was working with trinque on that in clwiki .....
1752008;1513357122;shinohai;Then forgot what happened. May have been hosting issue or something.
1752009;1513357157;*;shinohai still has all the re-written #b-a wiki articles nonetheless ....
1752010;1513357188;robbinhood;Thanks for the opportunity.
1752011;1513357192;mircea_popescu;my pleasure.
1752012;1513357252;BingoBoingo;Ah, the wonderful contrast
1752013;1513357333;BingoBoingo;Not as wonderful as it could be, but compared to Kev...
1752014;1513357462;mircea_popescu;http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup << ad-interim "how to set up a key" guide.
1752015;1513357471;mircea_popescu;really needs the stuff from
1752016;1513357472;mircea_popescu;!!help
1752017;1513357472;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1752018;1513358100;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl.
1752019;1513359233;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2032 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 3: Shifts.
1752020;1513359486;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to update ffa in /patches , ty
1752021;1513359486;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1752022;1513363191;asciilifeform;in other backlink lulz, anyone have anyfi re who is http://www.ufblog.net ?
1752023;1513368067;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1752024;1513368072;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17580.23, vol: 18998.64402544 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17700.0, vol: 59723.49970447 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17776.1, vol: 3756.87243635 | Volume-weighted last average: 17675.8778694
1752025;1513368160;BingoBoingo;Any waterfalling continues to fail: "In a court filing, prosecutors noted that due to the volatility of the Bitcoin market, both coins risk losing value. Both the BTC and the BCH have already been transferred to government-controlled wallets. The new round of seized digital currency belonged to a Utah man named Aaron Shamo, whom prosecutors say led a multimillion-dollar ring of counterfeit pharmaceuticals, including oxycodone and
1752026;1513368160;BingoBoingo;alprazolam that were sold on Dark Web marketplaces. Shamo was arrested over a year ago -- his trial has not yet been scheduled. On Tuesday, US District Judge Dale Kimball allowed the sale to proceed. Once sold, the money would go to an account held at the Treasury Executive Office for Asset Forfeiture."
1752027;1513368677;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: soarse ?
1752028;1513368812;BingoBoingo;Conde Naste: aka hearsay and inuendo https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/feds-moving-quickly-to-cash-in-on-seized-bitcoin-now-worth-8-4-million/
1752029;1513368887;asciilifeform;lulzy how no mention of why usg was able to decrypt the privs
1752030;1513368898;asciilifeform;( supposing whole thing ain't desinfo )
1752031;1513369001;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: funny also how smaller and smaller coinz piles figure in these releases
1752032;1513369040;asciilifeform;at some point there'll be a 'terroristkingpin put to the ordinary and extraordinary question, coughed up entire bitcoin!' item.
1752033;1513369051;BingoBoingo;AHA, the shrinking suggests legitimacy "OH SEE GUIZE! Still have coins! (albeit orders of magnitude less)"
1752034;1513369247;shinohai;Heh the tardanos are still moving "forward" http://archive.is/LWrO6
1752035;1513369259;asciilifeform;lol
1752036;1513369289;asciilifeform;shinohai: pretty sure the shannonizer gets rerun ~monthly, last 2 were completely different from this link's, and from one another
1752037;1513378109;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1752038;1513378114;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17341.0, vol: 19170.96179512 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17365.0, vol: 62745.85500433 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17400.0, vol: 3743.32435092 | Volume-weighted last average: 17361.158228
1752039;1513379008;ben_vulpes;http://www.businessinsider.com/zoobiah-shahnaz-charged-after-sending-bitcoin-to-isis-from-long-island-2017-12
1752040;1513379094;asciilifeform;the deathray treason and plot!111
1752041;1513379103;asciilifeform;'Shahnaz took out more than a dozen credit cards earlier this year and used the money she borrowed to buy cryptocurrency and send it abroad, according to an indictment filed by US attorneys in federal court.'
1752042;1513379124;ben_vulpes;press release is delightfully vague too
1752043;1513379130;ben_vulpes;apparently sending bitcoin is money laundering now
1752044;1513379145;ben_vulpes;or she actually wired monies abroad, which is just as funny.
1752045;1513379271;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/a5nNN/?raw=true << txt of the Official indictment, for expert entomologists.
1752046;1513379396;asciilifeform;'the defendant attempted to leave the United States and travel to Syria' << ohnoez, republikflucht!
1752047;1513379486;ben_vulpes;pff apparently *did* try sending us currency abroad. idiot.
1752048;1513379500;ben_vulpes;also flying directly to isis
1752049;1513379645;asciilifeform;note that there's no particular reason to believe in any particular part of the story
1752050;1513379662;ben_vulpes;not even that the girl exists!
1752051;1513379697;asciilifeform;the 1 likely item is that 1) exists 2) poor quasiliterate orc under usg magnifying glass from before the 'crime' was conceived , as in the new york deathray (tm)(r) plot.
1752052;1513379939;ben_vulpes;yes, these mysterious other parties
1752053;1513379988;ben_vulpes;it's really the only way they can make waves about folks doing this kind of deed. anyone with half a brain a) is not entrappable like this b) has the requisite half ounce of paranoia to foil the wallet inspectors at ft meade
1752054;1513380463;ben_vulpes;wow moxie marlinspike, full-bore sectard https://www.wired.com/story/mobilecoin-cryptocurrency/
1752055;1513380470;asciilifeform;old noose neh
1752056;1513380474;asciilifeform;!#s marlinspike
1752057;1513380474;a111;31 results for "marlinspike", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=marlinspike
1752058;1513380489;ben_vulpes;This is where the special features of MobileCoin come in. The currency is designed to utilize an Intel processor component known as Software Guard Extensions, or a "secure enclave."
1752059;1513380491;asciilifeform;previously specialist in 'stop using pgp' and 'wot dunwork' etc
1752060;1513380529;ben_vulpes;yes well secure enclave advocate now as well, hence "full bore retard"
1752061;1513380532;asciilifeform;shill for keybase, red-, black-, and possibly other 'coloured' -phones, and several other varieties of usgolade which escape my memory
1752062;1513380577;asciilifeform;lol drmcoin
1752063;1513380599;ben_vulpes;right?
1752064;1513380654;asciilifeform;think, d00d is paid, slaves full time, to walk around and pretend to have something to do with 'cryptography'. it's a living.
1752065;1513380712;ben_vulpes;doubtless attends the best parties at burning man too, but what man would eat from that hand, party with those tools
1752066;1513380739;asciilifeform;( funnily enough, the particular variant of nonsense from above link is not at all new, but sat on shelves for decades -- 'electric money' schemes that relied on 'unbreakable tamperproof hardware' crapola were proposed -- and laughed off -- in 1990s )
1752067;1513380807;ben_vulpes;as i said recently to a friend, "heck yeah that sounds like just the thing the world has been missing until right this very moment! buy anything other than bitcoin, wouldja? keep malia free for another decade..."
1752068;1513380951;asciilifeform;i fully expect that attempts to 'fix' the 'bugs' will continue. ( which bugs? e.g. the 'bug' where bitcoin actually works; the one where it dun belong to the moxies and boecks, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637750 ; the 'bug' where it doesn't need to ask for permission from them to work ; etc )
1752069;1513380951;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 14:25 asciilifeform: as per mircea_popescu's old piece, 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are'
1752070;1513382576;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel
1752071;1513382577;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1752072;1513382608;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: paged. Busy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsmqrk7Wgsk
1752073;1513382638;asciilifeform;lolk
1752074;1513384076;asciilifeform;!!up iangeker
1752075;1513384076;deedbot;iangeker voiced for 30 minutes.
1752076;1513385257;BingoBoingo;iangeker welcome
1752077;1513385725;BingoBoingo;iangeker: While you await mircea_popescu there are logs you may browse. I take it you are here for the China embassy position?
1752078;1513386216;BingoBoingo;!!up iangeker
1752079;1513386216;deedbot;iangeker voiced for 30 minutes.
1752080;1513386789;BingoBoingo; doubtless attends the best parties at burning man too, but what man would eat from that hand, party with those tools << AHA, appropriates hippy backpacker/sailing culture
1752081;1513386893;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'd propose 'a moxie' , a la 'a preet', fairly large group of very similar kanzure-style politruks
1752082;1513387071;asciilifeform;in contrast with, e.g., a boeck : who is 'technically' flavoured ( i.e. mouthpiece for dropping vulns usg wants 'burned' )
1752083;1513387186;asciilifeform;a moxie is more of a 'gift of gab' item. writes 'trendy' 'pgp is obsolete' treatises, appears at 'best' parties , inevitably consulted at 'seekooority cons', 'podcasts', inevitably shills for multicoloured-phone-of-the-day vendors, never skips a chance to 'plug for' other moxies ; appeals to boecks for 'technical cred'.
1752084;1513387227;asciilifeform;afaik krebs is -- possibly -- the best-known moxie .
1752085;1513387293;shinohai;zing
1752086;1513387325;asciilifeform;( who's krebs ? http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719 << biography. )
1752087;1513387840;shinohai;Sometimes the stars align nicely, and the universe sends German girls that are curious to know what ancient woodworking tools are and are willing to show tits for said knowledge: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1513380843137.jpg
1752088;1513391184;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1752025 << yes, but by now piddlepiss.
1752089;1513391184;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 20:02 BingoBoingo: Any waterfalling continues to fail: "In a court filing, prosecutors noted that due to the volatility of the Bitcoin market, both coins risk losing value. Both the BTC and the BCH have already been transferred to government-controlled wallets. The new round of seized digital currency belonged to a Utah man named Aaron Shamo, whom prosecutors say led a multimillion-dollar ring of counterfeit pharmaceuticals, including oxycodone and
1752090;1513391262;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1752040 << to isis eh ?
1752091;1513391262;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 23:04 asciilifeform: the deathray treason and plot!111
1752092;1513391399;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1752041 <<< bwahahaha. still, of course, no mention of "trilema > 9000x whole usg disinfo establishment".
1752093;1513391399;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 23:05 asciilifeform: 'Shahnaz took out more than a dozen credit cards earlier this year and used the money she borrowed to buy cryptocurrency and send it abroad, according to an indictment filed by US attorneys in federal court.'
1752094;1513391471;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1752059 << hey, assets gotta ass-et.
1752095;1513391471;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 23:28 asciilifeform: previously specialist in 'stop using pgp' and 'wot dunwork' etc
1752096;1513391504;asciilifeform;the bonus lul is that this deathray case seems to revolve around < 3-4 coinz
1752097;1513391522;asciilifeform;if that.
1752098;1513391563;mircea_popescu;aha. well, it IS a lot of worthless fiat nao.
1752099;1513391586;mircea_popescu;think : victim missed the opportunity to stuff magic marker in butt for TEN coins, not so long ago.
1752100;1513391588;asciilifeform;just about 'за колоски' (tm)(r)
1752101;1513391595;mircea_popescu;now gets larger, warmer implement for much less.
1752102;1513391641;asciilifeform;could as easily say that the arse inserter in turn missed buying 10btc for the 5bux the marker cost, few yrs before
1752103;1513391654;asciilifeform;everybody missed sumthing
1752104;1513391737;mircea_popescu;word.
1752105;1513391867;asciilifeform;picture, chix gets 20y , for less than the 5btc asciilifeform cremated at  bitbet
1752106;1513391999;mircea_popescu;seems fair.
1752107;1513392163;*;asciilifeform awaits the first fractional-btc deathray trial.
1752108;1513392321;mircea_popescu;year or two ?
1752109;1513392339;mircea_popescu;technically .5 btc is "more money than zek is pewrmitted to have" as it is.
1752110;1513394891;asciilifeform;'They looked at me like I was a fucking videocard artefact, "something that can't exist", and I didn't insist.' << lol!!
1752111;1513395316;mircea_popescu;aha!
1752112;1513395328;mircea_popescu;bi8g fucking whoop, peeling her panties off on calle colon
1752113;1513395375;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/so-heres-what-i-did-today/ << Trilema - So here's what I did today :
1752114;1513397908;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform , re the question of "where's pantsuit rembrandt" : perhaps that 88 yo
1752115;1513397917;mircea_popescu;he has all the makings of could-have-been-euler-but-married.
1752116;1513397994;mircea_popescu;"instead of the speed of light, favoured other speeds that '''are much more important to (((us)))'''".
1752117;1513400738;asciilifeform;for some reason reminds me of the su prisoners who , legendarily , got 5, 6 school diplomas each, because kept signing up again and again, teacher is the only chix in the joint after all
1752118;1513401163;mircea_popescu;kek
1752119;1513426674;RagnarDanneskjol;mircea_popescu  iangeker is here to interview.  she's around for a little while longer today and then tomorrow after 2pm China Standard Time
1752120;1513428325;BingoBoingo;!!up iangeker
1752121;1513428325;deedbot;iangeker voiced for 30 minutes.
1752122;1513429573;BingoBoingo;!!Up iangeker
1752123;1513429574;deedbot;iangeker voiced for 30 minutes.
1752124;1513429579;BingoBoingo;You are now voiced
1752125;1513429590;BingoBoingo;To talk in the channel, type and hit enter
1752126;1513429597;iangeker;it means I can send a message to the channel now?
1752127;1513429618;iangeker;thank you!
1752128;1513429623;BingoBoingo;Yes, generally it isn't polite to talk to strangers privately except to ask for a loan of voice
1752129;1513429629;BingoBoingo;iangeker: Introduce yourself
1752130;1513429716;iangeker;I am introduced to here by Shannon, I am suppose to have an interview with Mircea. So I am waiting for the interview.
1752131;1513429935;BingoBoingo;iangeker: Ah, if he doesn't respond now he will be on later to read what you type.
1752132;1513429950;BingoBoingo;The channel has logs here http://btcbase.org/log/
1752133;1513429983;BingoBoingo;It probably would not hurt your cause here if you offered some information on your background while we await mircea_popescu
1752134;1513430035;BingoBoingo;Go over the basics. Mandarin or Cantonese? Where are your from? Where are you now? What have you done with your life?
1752135;1513430046;BingoBoingo;!!Up esthlos
1752136;1513430047;deedbot;esthlos voiced for 30 minutes.
1752137;1513430085;esthlos;hello
1752138;1513430108;BingoBoingo;Como estas vos?
1752139;1513430147;esthlos;bien, e tu?
1752140;1513430176;BingoBoingo;Muy bien, porque en Uruguay.
1752141;1513430240;esthlos;sounds nicer than the -10C here
1752142;1513430263;BingoBoingo;Ah ~30 here atm
1752143;1513430270;esthlos;I've been trying to wrap my head around TMSR
1752144;1513430290;esthlos;my background is as a lisper and mathematician
1752145;1513430337;BingoBoingo;esthlos: Well, what portions do you stub the toes on in your dark?
1752146;1513430506;esthlos;BingoBoingo: i'll put it this way
1752147;1513430574;esthlos;BingoBoingo: i know enough about computing to know that asciilifeform is right about the general idiocy
1752148;1513430653;esthlos;BingoBoingo: and my guess is that you guys view fiat currency like lispers view most programming
1752149;1513430665;BingoBoingo;esthlos: So what that idiocy does to machines supposedly made to do math... Understand that same idoicy is pointed at far softer targets for great destruction.
1752150;1513430683;BingoBoingo;TMSR is not primarily a currency thing.
1752151;1513430772;BingoBoingo;TMSR is a self and world improvement society of fellows and fellas working to maximally empower the smart and maximally handicap the idiocy
1752152;1513430850;BingoBoingo;There's even a TMSR fiat currency which operates alongside Bitcoin here, see http://trilema.com/2017/the-ecu/
1752153;1513430914;esthlos;BingoBoingo: interesting
1752154;1513431008;BingoBoingo;Consider the problem where the pantsuit regime has declared flirting bad unless fat chicks do it.
1752155;1513431009;esthlos;BingoBoingo: i've been considering hacking around with eurola, its seems like a game which actually rewards intelligence
1752156;1513431048;esthlos;unlike most, where beating the underlying game (through code) is woefully out of scope
1752157;1513431049;BingoBoingo;I've heard great things about it as well, but my work has sucked me down a different Republican rabbit hole.
1752158;1513431107;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the thing to do now is register a GPG key with deedbot, preferrably before you depart.
1752159;1513431123;BingoBoingo;That way when you return it is possible to know you are you.
1752160;1513431131;esthlos;alright
1752161;1513431254;BingoBoingo;There's also logs to read, 2013 is a good read.
1752162;1513431289;esthlos;i've been reading, but its hard to pull together a narrative
1752163;1513431315;esthlos;so i've been blasting through the blogs of the 'lords'
1752164;1513431386;BingoBoingo;Ah, the general admission exercise is reading six months of logs. Sometimes this is interpreted as the most recent, others suppose there is a "most correct" six months.
1752165;1513431402;esthlos;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/b1G73/?raw=true
1752166;1513431404;deedbot;EDB93AD2CAB28398010B46D025C71657FDA71DC2 registered as esthlos.
1752167;1513431437;BingoBoingo;!!up iangeker
1752168;1513431437;deedbot;iangeker voiced for 30 minutes.
1752169;1513431499;BingoBoingo;iangeker: Consider leaving an introduction as suggested for when mircea_popescu wakes up http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752133
1752170;1513431499;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 13:13 BingoBoingo: It probably would not hurt your cause here if you offered some information on your background while we await mircea_popescu
1752171;1513431518;BingoBoingo;!!rate esthlos 1 Fresh off the boat
1752172;1513431520;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/peOnZ/?raw=true
1752173;1513431529;esthlos;BingoBoingo: thank you
1752174;1513431553;BingoBoingo;!!v 1143C33A5ED25279C6BF15EA1388574D1BD9306E39B26F85678CBCB12C12416C
1752175;1513431553;deedbot;BingoBoingo rated esthlos 1 << Fresh off the boat
1752176;1513431563;BingoBoingo;esthlos: You may now voice yourself
1752177;1513431567;BingoBoingo;!!down esthlos
1752178;1513431722;BingoBoingo;This is the part where you figure out the voicing
1752179;1513431740;BingoBoingo;!!help
1752180;1513431741;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1752181;1513432141;BingoBoingo;!!Up esthlos
1752182;1513432141;deedbot;esthlos voiced for 30 minutes.
1752183;1513432155;esthlos;well
1752184;1513432161;esthlos;i'm messaging deedbot
1752185;1513432186;esthlos;oh duh i have to decrypt the msg
1752186;1513432455;esthlos;nice system
1752187;1513432516;esthlos;BingoBoingo: i will start reading some logs. enjoy your sun and beautiful women
1752188;1513432545;esthlos;!!down
1752189;1513441985;shinohai;I need coffee, I'm sitting here listening to asciilifeform 's txt Romanian dictionary through espeak.
1752190;1513443673;mircea_popescu;!!up iangeker
1752191;1513443673;deedbot;iangeker voiced for 30 minutes.
1752192;1513443675;mircea_popescu;hey there.
1752193;1513443746;mircea_popescu;hm i wonder what china standard time is in ticotime lessee
1752194;1513443815;mircea_popescu;1 am now ; so 10 hrs behind. that's not even so terrible.
1752195;1513443840;shinohai;He said something about her returning @ 2am local time here to chat I believe?
1752196;1513443894;mircea_popescu;he said pm tho.
1752197;1513443951;shinohai;My bad 2pm
1752198;1513444176;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752130 << aite, catch you tonight then.
1752199;1513444176;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 13:08 iangeker: I am introduced to here by Shannon, I am suppose to have an interview with Mircea. So I am waiting for the interview.
1752200;1513444222;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752144 << anything i could look at in either direction ?
1752201;1513444222;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 13:18 esthlos: my background is as a lisper and mathematician
1752202;1513444242;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752148 << this is actually quite apt.
1752203;1513444242;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 13:24 esthlos: BingoBoingo: and my guess is that you guys view fiat currency like lispers view most programming
1752204;1513444250;mircea_popescu;hmm where'd he go.
1752205;1513444398;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752155 << really, everything is specifically designed with the single goal in mind of rewarding intelligence, be it v, the wot, ANYTHING. in fact, if something didn't reward intelligence i'd very much like to hear about it, because that's the one and only cause for reform.
1752206;1513444398;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 13:30 esthlos: BingoBoingo: i've been considering hacking around with eurola, its seems like a game which actually rewards intelligence
1752207;1513444452;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752162 << this may be because cult rumours greatly exaggerated.
1752208;1513444452;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 13:34 esthlos: i've been reading, but its hard to pull together a narrative
1752209;1513444915;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752189 << i find it hard to picture anything but randomsoup coming from such a thing
1752210;1513444915;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 16:33 shinohai: I need coffee, I'm sitting here listening to asciilifeform 's txt Romanian dictionary through espeak.
1752211;1513444973;shinohai;It was soup, therefore why I slapped myself to stop laughter, drank coffee, continued day.
1752212;1513445053;asciilifeform;shinohai: if yer doing ro , mircea_popescu and diana_coman posted some quite handy links to audio , in thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728247
1752213;1513445053;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 20:51 mircea_popescu: 100% chances of native speaking not having any fucking clue what you're saying
1752214;1513445090;shinohai;ty asciilifeform those would be handy.
1752215;1513445192;asciilifeform;afaik there is not a ro-outputting machine synth worth a broken penny
1752216;1513445217;mircea_popescu;pretty sure i heard some
1752217;1513445235;asciilifeform;would be quite handy, can haz link , if mircea_popescu or anyone else finds it
1752218;1513445236;mircea_popescu;but possibly rotting away under stacks of other female studies in $rando obscure uni
1752219;1513445459;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752144 << how come n00bs never append 'and here are some words that i published on the subject' to this
1752220;1513445459;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 13:18 esthlos: my background is as a lisper and mathematician
1752221;1513445536;asciilifeform;oh hm loox like mircea_popescu already asked same q !
1752222;1513445546;mircea_popescu;they will.
1752223;1513445569;*;asciilifeform to tea, bbl
1752224;1513445775;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1752225;1513445780;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 18740.52, vol: 9956.57952973 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 18638.0, vol: 44101.27374891 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 18774.8, vol: 2412.02276688 | Volume-weighted last average: 18661.9191821
1752226;1513445820;mircea_popescu;!!pay danielpbarron 0.00112981
1752227;1513445824;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5gjuX/?raw=true
1752228;1513446151;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752219 <- perhaps because other than here, nobody actually asks them to or indeed bothers to look at it if they do
1752229;1513446151;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 17:30 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752144 << how come n00bs never append 'and here are some words that i published on the subject' to this
1752230;1513446164;mircea_popescu;^
1752231;1513446182;mircea_popescu;the whole "reward intelligence", ie the positive republican value, is entirely unheard of in empire lands
1752232;1513446238;mircea_popescu;let ALONE the heresy of all heresies, unthinabler than incestouous-rape-while-vivisecting-right-of-life-chipmunk-dolphins-babyseals, which is ACTUALLY HANDICAP STUPIDITY, so dumbass gets LESS per unit than less dumbass ?!
1752233;1513446243;mircea_popescu;holy hell what.
1752234;1513446276;mircea_popescu;~black~ seals, ie artical-american, i forgot to add.
1752235;1513451195;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in dept of entomology, https://archive.is/Mli5z << a dekulakization-flavoured phorqcoin , 'Active bitcoin wallets will receive UBTC at a rate of 1:1, and inactive wallet funds will go toward supporting other high quality blockchains or other projects in the ecosystem' . 'active' appears to mean 'moved in last month'. and, bonus, '30% ... ... will be used to support at least 10 other projects in the crypto-currency eco-syst
1752236;1513451196;asciilifeform;em' while '70% will be used as collateral, to back the issuance of digital currencies pegged to fiat currencies'
1752237;1513451238;mircea_popescu;high quality lol.
1752238;1513451370;asciilifeform;they also baked in some scheme whereby you have to, apparently, nuke yer btc to get their shitcoin
1752239;1513451410;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform can't muster the givingashit to investigate in detail.
1752240;1513451518;asciilifeform;meanwhile in world of cokemachine, https://archive.is/ooxkA >> new jersey , 'Louis Meza, 35, lured his pal into a minivan, where a gunman pointed a pistol at the victim and demanded his 24-word passphrase on Nov. 4, authorities said. The code was given to Meza, a cryptocurrency investor, and allowed him access to the victim's Ether wallet.'
1752241;1513451582;mircea_popescu;aaaahahaha
1752242;1513451595;mircea_popescu;ether huffing at a gunpoint. was it a daisy ?
1752243;1513451647;asciilifeform;a disney deathhose 9000, for all i know.
1752244;1513451666;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy shit imo
1752245;1513455861;PeterL;so I was trying to follow the ffa series, started at loper-os, followed the link to v, ended up at http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000200.html and I am getting 404 Not Found when I tried to download the links in 0x02, did I do something wrong or am I not looking at the most up to date v source or what?
1752246;1513455913;asciilifeform;PeterL: afaik current-day vtron, by mod6 , is the one at http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html
1752247;1513455966;PeterL;ah, yes, I see it now.
1752248;1513456053;PeterL;http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system was the page where I went to the ml with the dead links, ben_vulpes maybe that should be updated?
1752249;1513456779;asciilifeform;i could've sworn there was a mod6 thread about this not long ago
1752250;1513456792;asciilifeform;possibly ben_vulpes hadn't yet had time to update his www .
1752251;1513456806;asciilifeform;!~later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752248
1752252;1513456806;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 20:27 PeterL: http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system was the page where I went to the ml with the dead links, ben_vulpes maybe that should be updated?
1752253;1513456807;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1752254;1513457853;PeterL;I tried to press the ffa with the mod6 v, and I am getting this error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/30JHp/?raw=true
1752255;1513457895;asciilifeform;holyshit wat
1752256;1513457906;asciilifeform;PeterL: tar up whole thing for me ?
1752257;1513457909;asciilifeform;and post
1752258;1513457922;asciilifeform;patches, seals, wot, v.pl, all.
1752259;1513457963;asciilifeform;fwiw i tested with his vtron, and mine, prior to releasing each ch 1-3
1752260;1513458016;asciilifeform;oh lemme guess, are you on crapple box PeterL ?
1752261;1513458027;asciilifeform;those don't have sha512sum utility
1752262;1513458040;asciilifeform;they have some other, heathen name for it, that escapes me presently
1752263;1513458076;asciilifeform;memo to all crapple victims : yer choices are 1) stop, cold turkey 2) learn the broken pieces and learn to work around, on yer own
1752264;1513458077;PeterL;umm, yes
1752265;1513458095;asciilifeform;PeterL: the null string output for 'Actual:' is telltale.
1752266;1513458109;PeterL;that's kinda what I was thinking might be the problem
1752267;1513458121;PeterL;because the file is where it is supposed to be
1752268;1513458122;asciilifeform;iirc the command on crapple is    shasum -a 512 filegoeshere
1752269;1513458130;asciilifeform;rather than sha512sum as in human boxes.
1752270;1513458165;PeterL;aha, that works
1752271;1513458378;PeterL;bah, my kids are making a mess, I will have to continue this later
1752272;1513459305;ben_vulpes;and i am to update my blog every time someone takes down matter linked from a mailing list post?
1752273;1513459332;ben_vulpes;don't contribute to linkrot, folks. at least put in a redirect when you take things down.
1752274;1513459341;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1752275;1513459371;ben_vulpes;meanwhile, what was the ml link now points to the foundation website, as that's where mod6 's v is most sensibly linked from
1752276;1513459377;asciilifeform;redirects dun do much good for signed matter, do they
1752277;1513459386;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1752278;1513459416;asciilifeform;hm oughta work, if sig also redirect
1752279;1513459595;PeterL;asciilifeform: I have succesfully built the FFA chapters 1-3 (on this here mac), and they give the expected respones using the included demo.
1752280;1513459625;asciilifeform;congrats PeterL
1752281;1513460254;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 plox to consider http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752260 case , vtron really oughta barf informatively if a req'd unix util is notfound, imho
1752282;1513460254;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 21:00 asciilifeform: oh lemme guess, are you on crapple box PeterL ?
1752283;1513460255;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1752284;1513460322;asciilifeform;this particular problem will go away when phf bakes his new-type vdifftron . but until then it will prolly recur.
1752285;1513460691;PeterL;I guess it is good I built in on a mac, exposes some bugs that would not have been seen if everybody used linux
1752286;1513460740;PeterL;they are so close but have the wierdest quirky differences
1752287;1513463866;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-26#896379
1752288;1513463866;a111;Logged on 2014-10-26 03:33 decimation: osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars
1752289;1513466250;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that's possibly circa-2004, at latest, thinking. today it dun look so hot even from outside, to naked eye. 'update and MUST REBOOT NAO' popups, a la microshit, crashes, even shitware beginning to bloom, whole orchestra, 'regression to mean'
1752290;1513466325;*;asciilifeform sat down and tried to think of something good to say about it, 'at least it ships with compiler' then remembered that.. it doesn't, not after jobs died
1752291;1513466686;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18418 << congrats to PeterL, the first (self-proclaimed, but there ain't gonna be any other kind, i dun run a usg-style school, 'diploma' is a matter of yer own conscience) ffa ch1 graduate .
1752292;1513466707;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to intern http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch.peterl.sig
1752293;1513466707;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1752294;1513468579;asciilifeform;!!up colorics
1752295;1513468580;deedbot;colorics voiced for 30 minutes.
1752296;1513468586;asciilifeform;colorics: who might you be ?
1752297;1513473723;asciilifeform;meanwhile for gnat archaeologists ( mod6 ? et al ) >> http://okellogg.de
1752298;1513474607;mircea_popescu;!~later peterl i dunno, i think the ideal is no future for macs.
1752299;1513474607;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
1752300;1513474629;mircea_popescu;whatever love anyone had for them back for their 1990s typographic utility is long lost.
1752301;1513474659;*;mod6 reads
1752302;1513474842;*;asciilifeform stuck presently in an infuriating gnat labyrinth : turns out, a proggy that set pragma Restrictions(No_Secondary_Stack) , cannot use  Ada.Command_Line ( equiv of argc/argc in c-planet ). so then asciilifeform went to make own replacement. and turns out , guesswat, no can haz, because pragma Restrictions(No_Unchecked_Conversion) -- and argv, where commandline lives, is a pointer to nonadatronic (i.e. c-style) string .
1752303;1513474862;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1752304;1513474886;mircea_popescu;this is actually a great property.
1752305;1513474888;asciilifeform;so then the obvious answer is from the standard, which proclaims that Restrictions(....) can be made to act per-partition (i.e. on libffa , but not the calling prog)
1752306;1513474893;asciilifeform;BUT this is apparently broken in gnat.
1752307;1513474899;asciilifeform;unless i missed sumthing.
1752308;1513474911;mircea_popescu;do these hold at runtime ?
1752309;1513474921;mircea_popescu;or just compiler enforced
1752310;1513474926;asciilifeform;they hold at build time, and disable chunks of the runtimelib
1752311;1513474933;asciilifeform;(i.e. chunks of the language)
1752312;1513474933;mircea_popescu;mmm
1752313;1513474949;mircea_popescu;so ada binaries actually better than plain elf.
1752314;1513474992;asciilifeform;so from this 4hr tour of wtf, asciilifeform learns that the only way to give his ada proggies access to argc/argv, is apparently to give'em a c main() (gnat makes this trivial) where all of the c-ism happens, which then invokes the proggy proper.
1752315;1513475009;asciilifeform;( which is what iirc diana_coman did , in one of her published routines )
1752316;1513475015;mircea_popescu;aha.
1752317;1513475031;mircea_popescu;also gives a "no c main" ada proggy a serious gold trophy.
1752318;1513475043;mircea_popescu;not just fab gold, either.
1752319;1513475050;asciilifeform;not hard tho, just dun use argc/argv
1752320;1513475057;asciilifeform;until nao i never thought of doing it
1752321;1513475058;mircea_popescu;yes, but a bad habit tough to break
1752322;1513475135;asciilifeform;quite tough if yer writing proggy for unixbox.
1752323;1513475227;mircea_popescu;isn't it refreshing just how fucking good an "unknown" ie, no women-in-tech language can actually be ?
1752324;1513475240;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752249 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745105
1752325;1513475240;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 20:39 asciilifeform: i could've sworn there was a mod6 thread about this not long ago
1752326;1513475240;a111;Logged on 2017-12-01 21:17 mod6: ben_vulpes: you may want to update the link to my V in this blog post (http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system) as it's old.  This is the latest: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-March/000260.html
1752327;1513475243;asciilifeform;incidentally http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752302 is worth expanding on : it is impossible to implement Ada.Command_Line sanely (i.e. without using secondary stack.) the reason is that argv is a potential 'infinity' -- it contains an uncapped number of c-strings of uncapped ( as are all c-strings ) length.
1752328;1513475243;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 01:40 asciilifeform stuck presently in an infuriating gnat labyrinth : turns out, a proggy that set pragma Restrictions(No_Secondary_Stack) , cannot use  Ada.Command_Line ( equiv of argc/argc in c-planet ). so then asciilifeform went to make own replacement. and turns out , guesswat, no can haz, because pragma Restrictions(No_Unchecked_Conversion) -- and argv, where commandline lives, is a pointer to nonadatronic (i.e. c-style) string .
1752329;1513475288;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: esp. comedic considering the name of the item
1752330;1513475291;mod6;Notification of updates to v are posted in the comments there.
1752331;1513475331;asciilifeform;ty mod6 . loox liek he found it in the end
1752332;1513475376;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752281 << Agree! Noted.
1752333;1513475376;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 21:37 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 plox to consider http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752260 case , vtron really oughta barf informatively if a req'd unix util is notfound, imho
1752334;1513475388;mircea_popescu;yep.
1752335;1513475415;mircea_popescu;but it's THIS kind of woman, not THAt kind of "women"
1752336;1513475426;mircea_popescu;ie, http://trilema.com/2014/hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-dont-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/
1752337;1513475493;asciilifeform;re 'unknown', i suspect that the stink of the landfill of usgism it lay buried in, is not entirely irrelevant
1752338;1513475494;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ty mod6 . loox liek he found it in the end << thanks for helping him!
1752339;1513475501;asciilifeform;at the very least it was why asciilifeform took as long as he did, to unearth it
1752340;1513476131;mircea_popescu;in other lulz from fiatlands, "sales engineer"
1752341;1513476137;ben_vulpes;mod6: aha thanks
1752342;1513476170;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i have never understood wtf that was or how it was supposed to work
1752343;1513476187;mircea_popescu;i had no idea it even existed.
1752344;1513476203;mircea_popescu;best construction i can put on it is, "closest pantsuit can come to saying chumpatron operator wanted".
1752345;1513476211;mircea_popescu;worst construction... well... have you seen that tv show ?
1752346;1513476310;ben_vulpes;which?
1752347;1513476320;mircea_popescu;whichever, they're all the same.
1752348;1513476336;mircea_popescu;aaand in other parasite sites, check out best-bitcoin-mining-trading-info-near-you-australia.s3.amazonaws.com/Best-bitcoin-mining-difficulty-over-time-Information-for-*, such as best-bitcoin-mining-trading-info-near-you-australia.s3.amazonaws.com/Best-bitcoin-mining-difficulty-over-time-Information-for-Oakdowns-7019-TAS-2018.html
1752349;1513476375;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752340 << eh that's from the land where there exist 'building engineer' (i.e. janitor)
1752350;1513476375;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 02:02 mircea_popescu: in other lulz from fiatlands, "sales engineer"
1752351;1513476382;mircea_popescu;some dude managed to rank ~5trillion pages in teh google cache BECAUSE the "artificial intelligence" of bayesian-cum-minimum-wage-tractor works exactly like this "hand populate a list with wikipeida and whatever, and then "rank" items"
1752352;1513476422;mircea_popescu;so amazonaws.com is on the hitler list, and consequently smaller fleas wish to ride atop the back of the great whale flea.
1752353;1513476471;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hilarious bonus : only misconfigured www normally results in *.awswhatever url ordinarily
1752354;1513476482;mircea_popescu;but here deliberately "misconfigured"
1752355;1513476486;asciilifeform;here yes
1752356;1513476502;asciilifeform;but the 'dog' this particular flea rides on, theoretically shouldn't even exist
1752357;1513476509;mircea_popescu;anyway, quoted because it's a great example of the ~principle~ of the thing, whereby you don't want fucking fleas, because "government" anointed fleas are no better and no cleanner than random from the street.
1752358;1513476509;asciilifeform;( it -- yes , exists )
1752359;1513476546;mircea_popescu;moreover i'm curious how they'll "fix" this. evidently correct solution (throw out amazonaws from hitler list of "acceptable websites") ain't happening so.. what ? introduce limit of max 8 chars for subdomain ?
1752360;1513476576;asciilifeform;what's the charcount cap for dnsolade anyway
1752361;1513476582;asciilifeform;dun tell me 'infinite', lel
1752362;1513476591;mircea_popescu;c string neh
1752363;1513477369;asciilifeform;iirc they gotta fit in 512b udpgrams tho
1752364;1513477382;mircea_popescu;wasn't there an extended format ?
1752365;1513477386;mircea_popescu;64kb ?
1752366;1513477390;asciilifeform;possibly
1752367;1513477394;*;asciilifeform dun recall from memory
1752368;1513478483;ben_vulpes;entirely unrelatedly, i had a half-cord of firewood dropped off and racked tidily in my basement a week or so ago and holy smokes the luxury of having effectively unlimited firewood during the wintertime is almost as good as i imagine not having to suffer through pacific northwest winters must be
1752369;1513478527;asciilifeform;in other noose, congrats to ben_vulpes , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18420 << 2nd ffa ch1 graduate
1752370;1513478624;ben_vulpes;all congrats to you sir, p vastly more enjoyable and engrossing than any other 'content' any imperial attentionfarm has produced in my lifetime
1752371;1513478645;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to intern http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch.benvulpes.sig
1752372;1513478646;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1752373;1513478722;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: here's a lul : where i live there is almost unlimited firewood (someone is always cutting down old wood, giving away) but i've no fireplace.
1752374;1513478746;ben_vulpes;this is primo hardwoods, seasoned professionally.
1752375;1513478759;asciilifeform;( in ameri-cardboard-house of recent decades' vintage, it is uncommon to find fireplace )
1752376;1513478813;ben_vulpes;genius brother-in-law-in-waiting decided to bless the family mountain retreat with a whole cord of what turned out to be entirely unseasoned softwood from godknowswhere. literally worst choice, literally unprepared for civilized use.
1752377;1513478837;*;trinque was pleased to get two nights of fireplace usage (and one of snow!) before it went back to 60-70F
1752378;1513478837;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: shame about the pressed shitboard, yeah.
1752379;1513478909;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749002 << gotta ask, how didjer *bones* cramp up boss
1752380;1513478909;a111;Logged on 2017-12-09 01:10 mircea_popescu: ran in the rain, got terrible shin cramps from it, got massage from nude interloper while playing with her tits... my life is so unfair.
1752381;1513478943;mod6;shin-splits or what-not eh?
1752382;1513478952;*;ben_vulpes did first 6-mile haul this afternoon, pushing > 15 kilos of stroller
1752383;1513478955;*;mod6 hates running
1752384;1513478990;ben_vulpes;not strictly cramps, that.
1752385;1513479001;*;ben_vulpes taking a walk down pedantry lane is al
1752386;1513479028;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: hey relatedly as you might deduce i do have a usable gnat setup nao
1752387;1513479064;trinque;I'm over here dusting off the musl gentoo recipe to produce same.
1752388;1513479077;ben_vulpes;ohey
1752389;1513479088;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd much like to see a working musltronic gnat
1752390;1513479096;*;asciilifeform does not currently have one
1752391;1513479101;trinque;whole turd gettin published when done
1752392;1513479117;ben_vulpes;but by WHOM?!?!?!
1752393;1513479121;trinque;since I last ran the recipe, as yet anonymous shitgnomes broke the downgrade to gcc 4.9.4
1752394;1513479145;asciilifeform;nominally libc doesn't go in a gnat-baked elf, so it isn't quite the same urgency as musltronic gcc-for-trb was
1752395;1513479155;asciilifeform;but i want a musltronic linux, and yes with gnat
1752396;1513479325;asciilifeform;( what ~does~ go in the elf ? see thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 )
1752397;1513479325;a111;Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
1752398;1513479488;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wood fired stoves are pretty cool, for the first few months.
1752399;1513479499;mircea_popescu;gets tedious after, which is why god made winter not last.
1752400;1513479540;ben_vulpes;remarked the other night that i understood in short order the fireplace -> 'franklin' stove motivations
1752401;1513479553;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752370 << this is quite on point ; there's just about ~nothing of any interest or to any degree interesting happening anywhere else fwis.
1752402;1513479553;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 02:43 ben_vulpes: all congrats to you sir, p vastly more enjoyable and engrossing than any other 'content' any imperial attentionfarm has produced in my lifetime
1752403;1513479588;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say )
1752404;1513479609;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750491 )
1752405;1513479609;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 16:40 asciilifeform finds that he cannot think of grouse without recalling mayakovsky's 'Ешь ананасы, рябчиков жуй, / день твой последний приходит, буржуй.'
1752406;1513479615;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes romania still has in the rural areas the habsburg empire's premier invention in this world, the vienese smokes terracotta
1752407;1513479629;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the flat i grew up in, had one
1752408;1513479636;asciilifeform;( despite total lack of habsburgs... )
1752409;1513479640;mircea_popescu;got hanbot a place with one while she resided in ro, she quite liked it iirc.
1752410;1513479640;asciilifeform;massively glorious thing
1752411;1513479654;mircea_popescu;yes. it is, when one understands the problem, a properly speaking breathtaking accomplishment.
1752412;1513479673;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713764 << very much in same vein of discussion
1752413;1513479673;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 19:34 mircea_popescu: so : the faberge egg, the original, was made in 1885 ; but it was the continuation and in a sense the crowing of a current of thought (ie, culture) and proper civilisation that reached back over a centry.
1752414;1513479686;asciilifeform;iirc in anglostan such a stove is called 'dutch stove'
1752415;1513479690;mircea_popescu;"there was no technology before fly-eyes" because it... wasn't for the fucking fly eyes, that's why!
1752416;1513479730;mircea_popescu;dutch item is later copy of austrian original. you know, like gouda.
1752417;1513479737;mircea_popescu;notbad, but chinesium avant la lettre.
1752418;1513479749;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751375 << Wern't people also deeding these a while back?
1752419;1513479749;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 00:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751176 << nah, too complex and therefore frail system like that. simply : host ALL sigs for ALL things yourself ; let the urls be known publicly and don't change them.
1752420;1513479753;ben_vulpes;fireplace just ain't a worthwhile thing unless you've got the woodpile to keep ti at least smouldering all day, roaring at night, and pretty lasses to keep it stoked. nevertheless, i'll enjoy this one while i have it.
1752421;1513479765;mircea_popescu;(and i am deeply unsurprised the anglotards know not what they talk of. country of whiskey drinkers and so on)
1752422;1513479766;ben_vulpes;oh and it hasta be large enough to fit benches *inside*
1752423;1513479782;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes are you making a stove or a cookery
1752424;1513479794;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'm rhapsodizing about my tiny fireplace
1752425;1513479806;mircea_popescu;how big is it ?
1752426;1513479826;mircea_popescu;standard item about 2-3 m3, though it can be made larger (there's a twinning method)
1752427;1513479889;ben_vulpes;.8m x .64 m
1752428;1513479929;asciilifeform;http://media.informpskov.ru/pictures/20101028114604.jpg << example ( ours was considerably larger, iirc )
1752429;1513479931;mircea_popescu;remarkab ly small. i dunno whether it's a work-of-art omfg i can't believe master stovier managed to get the smokes crushed into that space or rather "we dunno what we did". i could guess, but why guess.
1752430;1513479933;ben_vulpes;can i get a link to this "dutch stove" marvel fo engineering?
1752431;1513479952;asciilifeform;it's an item that spans multiple rooms, and the stones ( the walls are stone, not shitwall, necessarily ) retain heat
1752432;1513479953;mircea_popescu;aaanyway -- is ben_vulpes going to make himself smoker next, grow rich out of feeding quality breakfast meats to the greater cascadia ?
1752433;1513479955;ben_vulpes;holy shit what even is that
1752434;1513479969;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: stove.
1752435;1513479988;ben_vulpes;i have a hole in the wall into which i pour bezzlars and light them on fire for fun
1752436;1513479988;mircea_popescu;that looks swedish style.
1752437;1513480002;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ours had statues of cherubs on top, as early 1900s bling fluorish. 1 cherub was missing his head. legend was, ro soldiers shot it for target practice, with luger.
1752438;1513480009;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'greater cascadia' ain't welcome in my domus
1752439;1513480044;mircea_popescu;http://adelaparvu.com/2014/08/22/superbe-sobele-si-semineurile-cu-cahle-pictate-de-la-targu-secuiesc-aici-se-pot-reconstitui-si-sobe-vechi/ <<< much better examples of the austrian item with variations.
1752440;1513480054;mod6;Sorry, was just lookin through logs.  Might have mis-remembered that.
1752441;1513480059;mircea_popescu;it's as old and culturally relevant as musical instruments (violins, say)
1752442;1513480076;mircea_popescu;as it happens a major center was at tirgu secuiesc in ro. apparently still active, they fix and rebuild.
1752443;1513480098;ben_vulpes;ah i have seen variations on this
1752444;1513480111;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is somewhat different item. in the ru variant, the firebox is in the hallway, and the tiled item is smooth/without openings; the chimney is concealed in the wall
1752445;1513480115;mircea_popescu;and yes many of them are built cross-wall.
1752446;1513480130;ben_vulpes;large thermal mass, engineering time spent to ensure complete combustion, sometimes a long horizontal chimney too?
1752447;1513480140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and if you do a calorimetry experiment you'll see the austrian item converts nigh on 8% more than the swedish system
1752448;1513480145;asciilifeform;i can picture.
1752449;1513480170;mircea_popescu;this is why this interests me, "make stove, with 1700s tech, i'll put it in the calorimeter and measure your %"
1752450;1513480183;mircea_popescu;turns out there was a remarkably good solution, and a bunch of notbad ones.
1752451;1513480194;asciilifeform;the troo tragedy is that idiot orcs have mostly demolished these by nao. even when asciilifeform was a boy, slipping into attics and cellars in those massive blocks of flats, found piles and piles of rubble -- from illicitly-demolished stoves, 'Just Wanted Moar Space in flat' types
1752452;1513480202;ben_vulpes;anyways, way the heck upstack, `FZ_Clear` 'sets a given FZ to zero' but i only see an outparam; is this not more of a constructor than zero-er?
1752453;1513480209;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ^^
1752454;1513480217;mircea_popescu;aside the matter that the problem hasn't been approached in postmoidernism, i dun see much better solutions available than historically found.
1752455;1513480234;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is no 'constructor' in ffa . and FZ_Clear does exactly as printed on the box
1752456;1513480248;asciilifeform;i.e. writes 0 into each word of the destination.
1752457;1513480266;ben_vulpes;ah because you still pass outparams into a function call
1752458;1513480286;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752379 << the shin is not the tibia, the shin is the front part of the lower segment of human leg, opposite calf.
1752459;1513480286;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 02:48 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-09#1749002 << gotta ask, how didjer *bones* cramp up boss
1752460;1513480296;asciilifeform;procedure, ben_vulpes . not function
1752461;1513480302;asciilifeform;( these are different animals in ada planet )
1752462;1513480312;ben_vulpes;hm
1752463;1513480325;asciilifeform;'out' param means exactly that -- write-only
1752464;1513480334;ben_vulpes;okay i'll look into that.
1752465;1513480369;ben_vulpes;so 'in out' means that data can be read from the param and will also be written into, whereas 'out' means that data will only be written to the param in the procedure?
1752466;1513480383;asciilifeform;aha
1752467;1513480394;ben_vulpes;ty
1752468;1513480448;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: https://perso.telecom-paristech.fr/~pautet/Ada95/chap08.htm << see also
1752469;1513480532;asciilifeform;and, naturally, the standard, http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/12rat/html/Rat12-4-2.html
1752470;1513480675;asciilifeform;( ada params are a moar complicated matter than ffa might suggest: when reading heathen proggies you will encounter such things as 'aliased' i.e. pointerola , and related items. )
1752471;1513480770;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752450 << to continue thread : the essential boojum is that you cannot have any kind of good stove, swedish, austrian, whichever, in cardboard house
1752472;1513480770;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 03:09 mircea_popescu: turns out there was a remarkably good solution, and a bunch of notbad ones.
1752473;1513480784;mircea_popescu;no. must be brick walls.
1752474;1513480790;asciilifeform;they all rely on brick aha
1752475;1513480800;mircea_popescu;but, also just as important though not in fact exposed for other reasons : stove IS BUILT IN PLACE.
1752476;1513480811;asciilifeform;nobody conceived that monkeys will try to house themselves in gigantic wooden shacks
1752477;1513480813;mircea_popescu;ie, it was strictly a manor house item historically ; and part of the manorial system in europe.
1752478;1513480830;mircea_popescu;peasant thatched roof, no possibility of chimney etc
1752479;1513480845;asciilifeform;peasant huts had their own type of stove
1752480;1513480869;asciilifeform;( often enuff where they were burned, you can still find the stove, it stands 4evah )
1752481;1513480909;trinque;heh, in other peasant huts, cannot build gcc 4.9.4 from 6.4.0 on gentoo musl, gotta step to 5.4.0 first.
1752482;1513480929;asciilifeform;http://printonic.ru/uploads/images/2016/02/22/img_56cae08a49909.jpg << subj
1752483;1513480931;trinque;this was not always true of the 6.x series; I've done 4.9.4 on it in the past.
1752484;1513480961;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc ben_vulpes recently ran into the same wall
1752485;1513480972;trinque;aha, I recall. can confirm.
1752486;1513480997;*;trinque now  emerge --emptytree @world  to see what other mysteries await
1752487;1513481028;mircea_popescu;but, it is very important to revisit and underline ye olde mazarin point ( ie http://trilema.com/2014/modern-medicine-and-the-benefits-of-democracy/ ) : there is constant technological progress, in the PROPER sense (ie, NOT for plebels, but for lords AND FOR LORDS ONLY) going from 700ad to 1700ad. THIS, and THIS ONLY is what gave "technological progress" its good name -- when the lord changed ye olde fireplace in the common k
1752488;1513481028;mircea_popescu;night hall inherited from his granpa with modern teracotta item. THAT was progress, and the knights applauded, and felt proud to fight and die for such a greatly SUPERIOR homeland, as represented by their lords castle, as communicated to them by their god damned STOVE. and by, to quote period, "wer kriegt so prompt wie der preusse sein traktament!"
1752489;1513481039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the only otherwise-functional culture that failed to invent proper chimneys, was east asia ( e.g. jp ) where hole-in-the-ceiling
1752490;1513481060;mircea_popescu;in exactly typical socialist fashion, the fucktards have been selling off this item not belonging to them, "technological progress", repainted as "hey, new iphone came out!! it's cheaper and shittier and works less!!!"
1752491;1513481066;mircea_popescu;NOT the fucking same thing. at all!!!
1752492;1513481087;asciilifeform;what am i missing
1752493;1513481092;mircea_popescu;where ?
1752494;1513481100;asciilifeform;chimney, but 'not same thing'
1752495;1513481106;asciilifeform;or hm misparsed?
1752496;1513481109;mircea_popescu;misparse.
1752497;1513481125;mircea_popescu;japan is a weird case, they also failed to invent -- leather footwear.
1752498;1513481134;mircea_popescu;and all sorts of basics.
1752499;1513481143;asciilifeform;lolyes ever see ye olde gravures, with the mousetrap shoes.
1752500;1513481146;mircea_popescu;fate of islands, to suck. japan is basically easter island on steroids.
1752501;1513481149;asciilifeform;( they look exactly as if )
1752502;1513481152;mircea_popescu;aha.
1752503;1513481169;asciilifeform;aha, island, beggars collected iron nails after a fire, etc.
1752504;1513481175;mircea_popescu;yup.
1752505;1513481254;mircea_popescu;but the reason they are admired, unlike say the chinese, who were never admired and possibly never will be, is because they squeezed so very much of the fucking little the yhad.\
1752506;1513481264;mircea_popescu;ie, right back to the calorimetry-yer-stove discussion.
1752507;1513481267;asciilifeform;nearly escaped the island, even
1752508;1513481277;mircea_popescu;perfection, no matter in what problem, is the only item of interest whatsoever.
1752509;1513481365;asciilifeform;poverty makes some folx frugal, thrifty, able to make wonders 'in 4kB of ram' etc -- others -- into monkeys, and asciilifeform doesn't know why
1752510;1513481367;mircea_popescu;there's a very deep reason why the english landed in china thought china is fit to be a sort of wales -- more distant, populated by dumber monkeys (yes the "gauls" were monkeys -- farming idiots), larger but still, fundamentally fucking wales.
1752511;1513481381;mircea_popescu;and it impressed nobody that "hey, we sum up to X", because the X was so un-intensive.
1752512;1513481442;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform landlockness is a major predictor. notice, koreans less retarded than chinese. there's this sweetspot in terms of shore/sqacre basis\
1752513;1513481459;asciilifeform;the chinese had the misfortune to invent the bureaucrat, the 'delusionist' , and other undesirable 'moderns' , 2k yr before europe 'climbed down from trees'
1752514;1513481463;asciilifeform;they still suffer it.
1752515;1513481474;mircea_popescu;no, actually -- they invented it late in the relative game.
1752516;1513481485;mircea_popescu;chinese climbed down from trees 3.5k-ish yearsd before europe.
1752517;1513481514;mircea_popescu;(invention of bureaucracy in europe is no later than diocletian. possibly caesar.)
1752518;1513481556;asciilifeform;it can only happen when empire -- just like can't have a chernobyl before discovering fission
1752519;1513481573;mircea_popescu;history at least supports your view.
1752520;1513481604;mircea_popescu;though various failed bioexperiments such as the pesky northern american troglodytes -- iroquis et all, seemingly managed to invent a bureaucracy-without-empire
1752521;1513481613;mircea_popescu;in the shape of a (bad) solution to "here's the male hut, wut do now"
1752522;1513481618;asciilifeform;an afaik mandatory precondition for bureaucracy , is to have with what to feed the mass of useless folx
1752523;1513481628;asciilifeform;i.e. empire ( unless martians were to drop food... )
1752524;1513481649;mircea_popescu;you can have it in places where the women are relatively infertile and the berry bushes abundant.
1752525;1513481668;asciilifeform;dunno if it makes sense to equate gatherer-monkey to bureaucrat
1752526;1513481680;mircea_popescu;which is why sweden is a shithole, and always was a shithole.
1752527;1513481683;mircea_popescu;large cheap food inputs and low pop growth rate -> surplus to be "used".
1752528;1513481693;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the gather monkey is the bureaucrat enabler.
1752529;1513481716;mircea_popescu;consider how the jew system works : balabusta in tyhe shop selling to make money for man to sit all day around sinagogue and godbureaucrat.
1752530;1513481741;asciilifeform;scale model of empire
1752531;1513481745;mircea_popescu;the jews did not invent, it is naturally occuring. in places with high natural food resources at low cost (say fishing in sweden, berry picking in northern us etc) -- happens.
1752532;1513481757;mircea_popescu;more like accidental implementation of some parts of empire.
1752533;1513481838;asciilifeform;herbivore oughta be ready to play his own piece in foodchain, however.
1752534;1513481849;asciilifeform;nobody's passed out exemptions from this.
1752535;1513481865;mircea_popescu;well, fwis they did without complaint, all that's left of "the great iroquis" is the occasional tall, fuckable redskin chick.
1752536;1513481881;mircea_popescu;john bull made 'em beef jerky.
1752537;1513481944;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752381 << very heavy incline, water makes it wet. turns out you run in a very peculiar manner when mostly trying not to take off under your own mommentum on a water-effect'd road!
1752538;1513481944;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 02:49 mod6: shin-splits or what-not eh?
1752539;1513481947;asciilifeform;the marginally less-herbivorous survived, to slowly eltsin to death in casinos in dakota somewhere
1752540;1513481961;mircea_popescu;just like the swedes.
1752541;1513481981;mircea_popescu;but -- ill grant this readily -- historical good nutrition makes for tall, fuckable broads. so it's not all lost,
1752542;1513481986;mircea_popescu;dungeon ain't gonna populate itself.
1752543;1513482016;asciilifeform;i still have nfi wtf happened to the swedes. in '40s they were an actual thing, supplied something short of 100% of german iron
1752544;1513482028;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752381 << hey, turns out there's a term for this! i had nfi.
1752545;1513482028;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 02:49 mod6: shin-splits or what-not eh?
1752546;1513482044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "failure to thrive", it's a thing.
1752547;1513482052;asciilifeform;yes but why then.
1752548;1513482061;asciilifeform;they made bank on the war, oughta be ridin' high even nao
1752549;1513482062;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe they come back. they've been really spotty throughout history as it is, like this radio that keeps going in and out
1752550;1513482073;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform money is nothing without a dick.
1752551;1513482093;asciilifeform;right, the mystery reduces to who 'bobbitted' them
1752552;1513482151;mircea_popescu;possibly not a who, seeing how event happened over long period. who bobbits pulsar
1752553;1513482158;mircea_popescu;maybe it's just what the pulsar IS
1752554;1513482254;*;mircea_popescu makes no claim to knowledge re swedes. i just fuck'em is all.
1752555;1513482279;asciilifeform;supposedly typical swede still believes that ( at this point, centenarian ? ) nazis seekreetly run errything in sweden
1752556;1513482300;asciilifeform;and cleverly hide behind the clitlers , somehow.
1752557;1513482399;asciilifeform;ilkka kokkarinen ( http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.txt ! ) , censored and defrocked-for-failing-to-usgkowtow comp sci professor , described this at some point
1752558;1513482415;asciilifeform;( he was a finn, and knew swedish )
1752559;1513482714;mircea_popescu;wtf is with all the orc glyps
1752560;1513482772;*;mircea_popescu does his usual s%\n\n%\r\r% s%\n% % s%\r\r%\n\n% while muttering underbreath about the idiocy of fucktards who STILL DON'T UNDERTAND NEWLINE STANDS FOR NEW PARAGRAPH!!11
1752561;1513482813;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's lifted directly out of the ( long ago vanished ) shitazon 'ebook' copy.
1752562;1513482819;mircea_popescu;oh
1752563;1513482823;asciilifeform;unprocessed.
1752564;1513482830;mircea_popescu;that has mightly explaining power.
1752565;1513482849;asciilifeform;originally lived in his blog, and presumably looked similar.
1752566;1513482866;asciilifeform;( also vanished, unsurprisingly )
1752567;1513482887;asciilifeform;!#s ilkka
1752568;1513482887;a111;39 results for "ilkka", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ilkka
1752569;1513482893;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1752570;1513482948;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-16#925211 << in particular. ( notably, it happened TWICE. 1st time he -- iirc -- sued, and won. 2nd time -- gone for good. )
1752571;1513482948;a111;Logged on 2014-11-16 05:31 mircea_popescu: The brilliant Finnish-Canadian computer science professor / blogger Ilkka Kokkarinen has taken down his popular blog, presumably to keep his job after his campus newspaper noticed his heterodox views. His skepticism about the intellectual consistency of lesbian-feminist theory and practice would appear to have been his biggest crime.
1752572;1513483014;asciilifeform;from same thread, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.zip  << still there, still afaik only copy of his 1st blog in existence on public net
1752573;1513483037;shinohai;^LOL
1752574;1513483056;asciilifeform;and it isn't boring , either. pretty great stuff.
1752575;1513483074;shinohai;top warez, only in trilema
1752576;1513483116;asciilifeform;the earlier txt , consisted of the 'best-of' of his 2nd blog ( sans the comments )
1752577;1513483144;asciilifeform;he collected, and self-published as shitazon + deadtree ( which i even have, picked up before it was banned ) . then zapped.
1752578;1513483167;asciilifeform;quite characteristically , he was driven into deleting ~own~ errythings
1752579;1513483238;asciilifeform;( specifically how -- i do not know. but entire case is notable because , unlike typical academitard, fella was known to have balls , and successfully fired said balls even on 1 occasion. but he was not mp, worked for a living, eventually defeated. )
1752580;1513483424;mircea_popescu;"lesbian-feminist" lmao.
1752581;1513483446;mircea_popescu;news at 11, airs of respectability put forth by butch dyke idiocy entirely dependent on nobody pointing and laughing
1752582;1513483519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, i work!
1752583;1513483544;mircea_popescu;i just cut myself a slice of cozonac, and put my own ice in my own fucking cinzano. and then, when i wanted a refill, I STOOD UP AND GOT IT.
1752584;1513483554;mircea_popescu;for the first time in a decade, at that. BUT I DID IT!
1752585;1513483739;asciilifeform;speaking of this, brb
1752586;1513485348;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check this out, ikka k. apparently also keenly aware that liberals are generally poor and helpless.
1752587;1513485423;mircea_popescu;kinda why the whole "do you have money ? no ? then shut the fuck up." works so well socially, personally and in general. because they... don't. and they know how to get it and know they can't get it. hence "cat-v" etc.
1752588;1513485476;mircea_popescu;"The entire spectrum of thought of those who we call liberals, progressives, socialists, trendoids or Marxists [ie, what we call pantsuit] depending on what is fashionable today, can be reduced to and explained as the simple automata that they are. After identifying many genuine problems and solving them to the extent that they can be solved, liberalism devolved into naked group identity politics and petty status signaling fo
1752589;1513485477;mircea_popescu;r the verbal New Class, downwardly mobile in not just wealth but also societal respect, and desperate to distinguish itself from the working class. Since this vanguard tends to be paid not enough to do this with classic material means, they have set up a parallel status hierarchy based on the tastes and aspirations of Lloyd Dobler to ensure that they get to be its kings and, mostly, its queens. Even the few rich liberals subs
1752590;1513485477;mircea_popescu;cribe in public, but certainly not in their private actions, to the shibboleths of this group."
1752591;1513485624;mircea_popescu;o hey, check this out...
1752592;1513485652;mircea_popescu;"If I had to describe using only a couple of sentences what it feels like to be a conservative, I would probably compare it to the hypothetical but surreal experience of noticing how many people around you have headaches because they keep banging their heads against the wall. If you don't do anything, that makes you objectively a "part of the problem", especially if you express any distaste towards having to pay for some incr
1752593;1513485653;mircea_popescu;easingly messy bureaucracy that claims to help headache sufferers even though it only ever comes up with increasingly absurd "solutions" to the new problems that its actions conjure up while its proponents do their best to explain away these consistent failures. On the other hand, if you try to help by suggesting that their heads would stop hurting if they just stopped banging them against the wall, you are a "simpleton" who
1752594;1513485653;mircea_popescu;doesn't understand the enormous complexity and the "root causes" of this problem. What can you do, except perhaps escape to one of the few remaining islands of sanity, and hope that the madness doesn't follow you there, at least for a while?"
1752595;1513485664;mircea_popescu;perfectly fine statement ; though of course what you can do is... beat them. doh.
1752596;1513485680;mircea_popescu;hurt a pantsuit today, the worse the better and the more lastingly the more productive.
1752597;1513486345;mircea_popescu;o hey, only took a dozen of these to run aground. here we go :
1752598;1513486402;mircea_popescu;"A few decades ago before all this current silliness started, the humanities and liberal arts departments in academia were badly losing the science wars. After all, even astrology at least makes falsifiable predictions (to say nothing of the fact that stars actually exist), a hurdle far above the abilities of most of the humanities. Desperate to prove that they are just as true and valid systems of thought as all those hard s
1752599;1513486402;mircea_popescu;ciences that get constantly tested and have to prove their correspondence to the uncompromising objective reality every day, no wonder they fell so hard for the postmodernist mumbo-jumbo of Derrida, Latour and Lacan that sweetly whispered in their ears that Western science is only one narrative and "text" among many that are equally valid, and since it is an objective truth that no objective truths exist, science only tries t
1752600;1513486403;mircea_popescu;o justify the right of the white male patriarchal capitalist phallogocentric power hegemony to dictate its values and lifestyle choices on the oppressed groups and silence all hedonistic and rebellious dissent against it. Fast forward to the present day, and now the humanities and liberal arts are solidly left-wing in the culture wars, for various reasons. Surely I can't possibly be the only one to laugh at the unintentional
1752601;1513486408;mircea_popescu;comedy in how they now whine that those global warming deniers disrespect the absolute authority of science, so all those dissenters ought to be silenced and their hedonistic lifestyles curtailed... by force if necessary?"
1752602;1513486494;mircea_popescu;brushing off the "here's how stupid people use microscope as hammer because they're hammer folk and irrespective of microscope in any sense" as thoroughly uninteresting : it's fundamentally true that science, even if properly understood (as in eg http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ ), is still nothing more than one "text", ie, one possible read of pheomena.
1752603;1513486599;asciilifeform;ins'allah electron will go in correct direction!1
1752604;1513486729;mircea_popescu;it's evidently not true that "all reads are equally valid" or in any way just as good ; but it's certainly not the case that science is sufficient per se. this should be directly evident, but even without that : science is, much like nature itself, a SMOOTH process (a valuable reference here being http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732986 ), and as such WILL get trapped in local maxima. which is why heuristics is a thing, and
1752605;1513486729;a111;Logged on 2017-11-04 16:05 mircea_popescu: that's smooth noise. \
1752606;1513486729;mircea_popescu; also why eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711281 and that whole discussion with "only value of natural language is its ambiguity" and so on.
1752607;1513486729;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 17:50 mircea_popescu: but yes, this provides on the side an excellent explanation in this context's terminology of why man must learn languages : it is the ONLY way to have orthogonality in natural speech.
1752608;1513486762;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform provided there's a direction in the first place. science is defenseless in front of category error
1752609;1513486787;mircea_popescu;(consider the most scientific attempts to make sewing machine that failed for a century, and the most unscientific eventual solution. also, evidently, airplanes.)
1752610;1513486805;asciilifeform;to the point there is a 'science', it's a box o' heuristics, not magical substitute for errything-incl-priors
1752611;1513486847;mircea_popescu;rather, a "retelling of old games of scientific method".
1752612;1513486889;mircea_popescu;but it bears repeating : there stands, and well respected for good cause, an century old result of science that shows there can not be such a thing as an explicitly consistent system.
1752613;1513486940;mircea_popescu;goedel directly says, "science is just one text and necessarily no complete". that this is not equivalent with "irigaray is better than average milkmaid" is true, but also who the fuck cares about irigaray enough to put her name in this.
1752614;1513487029;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663960 << see also re goedel
1752615;1513487029;a111;Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
1752616;1513487058;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you say "function that has derivate in every point" in englisch ?
1752617;1513487106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'differentiable'
1752618;1513487123;mircea_popescu;oh.
1752619;1513487131;asciilifeform;( at least so it was in asciilifeform's kindergarten )
1752620;1513487149;mircea_popescu;i was using "continuous" to people's confused disbelief. apparently continuous just means "has value for all x in interval"
1752621;1513487177;asciilifeform;'continuous' usually is 'is defined for each point'
1752622;1513487242;mircea_popescu;total waste of a fucking word. that's wtf the domain is there for.
1752623;1513487994;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the upstack, the "science tries to [...] silence all hedonistic and rebellious dissent against it" nonsense is a sad misread of history by people who really should know better. yes it's true that for a while scientists were also puritans, as a religious inclination.
1752624;1513488032;mircea_popescu;this happened because the minimalistic religion of the time appealed to people "who just wanted to", and really didn't see why they should pay court to napoleon when there were volumes to measure say.
1752625;1513488060;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, there's nothing fundamentally scientific about retarded anglo-neoprotestantisms ; nor anything fundamentally retarded anglo-anything about science.
1752626;1513488095;mircea_popescu;so no, the male phalic supremacy opressing all others, especially stupid women and dumb ethnos isn't going away ; and it certainly won't permit the leverage of this "but we like to fuck and disagree!!!" tool to unhinge it
1752627;1513488098;mircea_popescu;that's what i'm fucking here for.
1752628;1513488621;ben_vulpes;in other possibly stale lols, heathen wallet denominates in millishitcoinz
1752629;1513488730;mircea_popescu;iirc that always was there.
1752630;1513488762;ben_vulpes;inneresting
1752631;1513489625;mircea_popescu;o look, we run aground again!
1752632;1513489729;mircea_popescu;"An important role of prices in free markets is to convey information about individual needs and preferences in a world of seven billion people who can each see only a very small part of it. A while ago, a poster elicited fawning oohs and aahs in the progressive blogosphere by pointing out how absurd it is to go through all the steps needed to make a plastic fork instead of using a metal fork and washing it afterwards. Indeed
1752633;1513489729;mircea_popescu;, the way free market prices allocate resources can often be counterintuitive and seemingly unfair for some English major with tiny knowledge but big visions of how she would completely reorganize the entire world as the central planner [aka, http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/#selection-35.0-47.226 's the bare-tit-floor-washers], letting them beclown themselves by calling the free
1752634;1513489730;mircea_popescu; market more "inefficient" compared to central planning led by "smart" people. It is certainly amazing how technology and commerce allow mass production of plastic spoons to be sold for three cents apiece, well worth the time and convenience they save me."
1752635;1513489792;mircea_popescu;let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
1752636;1513489809;mircea_popescu;ikka does not want to discipline NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE woman, let alone her sisters and offspring. he just wanted to science!!
1752637;1513489820;mircea_popescu;is this supposed to pass for sense now ?
1752638;1513489846;mircea_popescu;seems to me the tiny knolwedge afflicts he who should stfu and do a better job of world domination.
1752639;1513490359;mircea_popescu;anyway, that i record protest only should not be construed in a negative view of the man. on the contrary, he has many good points chief among which the systematic deployment of the view that whatsoever the pantsuit claim to think, believe, etcetera has absolutely no direct value, and is no more meaningful than the finch's call. the finch doesn't MEAN something by the noise it makes ; it merely intends for other finches to be
1752640;1513490359;mircea_popescu; able to locate it easily, and exactly same for pantsuit. they picked "gay" to worship because it's relatively cheap and easy and ineffectual (as in it dundu nuffin, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750998 re this) -- because there's virtually no gays as such.
1752641;1513490359;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 19:25 mircea_popescu: consider : what makes a bad penis ? that you can rub it all you want and STILL it won't spit out. but what makes a good cunt ? that you can pound it all you want and STILL it won't in any way change.
1752642;1513490360;mircea_popescu;~same with blacks, they picked blacks over latinos simply because there's fewer of them, which isn't to say this is any kind of mental process, of course. the moth didn't pick light "because", in any sort of moth-personal sense, it just got picked for it by the workings of matters external.
1752643;1513490408;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, "bla bla gay marriage" means exactly nothing other and above "wanna go for a beer ?"
1752644;1513490534;mircea_popescu;in a sense taking the garbage pouring out of pantsuit mouth as such and trying to engage it on merits is not unlike the fool of old, looking at the hand that pointed at the moon.
1752645;1513490595;ben_vulpes;now if only there were anything to talk about over beer but gay marriage
1752646;1513490664;mircea_popescu;there's some fundamental alienation at work in the german lands, of which england is a sad, marginal, forgotten island (of which colonies are ... all a sort of sadder wales). have you ever seen Aus Dem Leben Der Marionetten ?
1752647;1513490671;trinque;on the matter of women serving men, it's been real nice having the one in household finding various delicious liquid foods to serve up while my wisdom tooth holes mend.
1752648;1513490686;trinque;what the hell's wrong with it? girl's been glowing over getting to do so.
1752649;1513490723;mircea_popescu;trinque well, many things are wrong with it. for instance, plenty of girls never encountered a male centered enough to be able to manifest for.
1752650;1513490746;mircea_popescu;the resultant neurosis is ~80% of the whole "liberal-progressive" ethos.
1752651;1513490766;trinque;aha
1752652;1513490785;mircea_popescu;amusingly, you'll be surprised how many MEN are in the same position.
1752653;1513490822;mircea_popescu;most "couple trouble" among college-educated esl readily reduce to "two subbies tired of their bitter arguments over who has to dom for the evening".
1752654;1513490826;ben_vulpes;such a sad thing, the rejection of hierarchy.
1752655;1513490833;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes Aus Dem Leben Der Marionetten < ?
1752656;1513490836;*;trinque cuts checks to a dude that does some basic software support
1752657;1513490845;trinque;couple years of me screaming and he's by now almost an adolescent
1752658;1513490849;mircea_popescu;heh
1752659;1513490863;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: never seen it
1752660;1513490904;mircea_popescu;it's a fundamental statement of the problem, i'd say unavoidable. rich "software engineer" of the 70s (ie, architect, like those guys in the swiss pornos always seemed to be, recall?) goes off his rocker and kills a woman.
1752661;1513490938;mircea_popescu;compare and contrast with eg. il merlo maschio, same topic but in the olive oil lands of southern europe, and suddenly some kind of fundamental problem becomes more than evident.
1752662;1513490988;mircea_popescu;something in the cold, windy sky drying people out inside.
1752663;1513491101;mircea_popescu;ie, yes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748753 may well be the case ; but meanwhile i suspect the north actually invented madness.
1752664;1513491101;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
1752665;1513491134;mircea_popescu;and so no... there isn't anything to talk about ; over beer or over anything else. just look away with empty eyes.
1752666;1513491223;ben_vulpes;when i ran a small coeterie of staff the steel spine of our success was the chain of command from whence sense and marching orders came, and everyone's utterly clear understanding of where they stood
1752667;1513491242;mircea_popescu;i expect.
1752668;1513491342;ben_vulpes;american democracy is a miserable thing, demanding that there be one boss (the state) and all subservient to it without ever acknowledging their subservience.
1752669;1513491361;*;ben_vulpes bbl, a deserving lady has a christmas movie i'm not grinching about for once
1752670;1513491458;mircea_popescu;enjoy
1752671;1513491684;mircea_popescu;lol, "end prison sex seggregation". that'd be a show.
1752672;1513491723;mircea_popescu;within a half year you'd end up with a little traditional village within the walls. practically say (pre war) syria, or ukraina. reconstructed, at great expense.
1752673;1513491784;mircea_popescu;"Once we get rid of the social construct that men are physically stronger than women, little girls will surely grow up to be just as strong as men. We can already see glimpses of this future utopia of equality in many junior sports events where a 12-year-old girl competes with 12-year-old boys and wins!"
1752674;1513493352;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/12/17/the-elusive-jumping-jew-and-other-unorthodox-pre-taxidermic-fauna-native-to-maui/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The elusive Jumping Jew and other unorthodox pre-taxidermic fauna native to Maui.
1752675;1513502297;mircea_popescu;!!up gue oops too late.
1752676;1513502297;deedbot;gue voiced for 30 minutes.
1752677;1513502422;mircea_popescu;aand in other news, "What is the lowest IQ that allows some person to write a peer-reviewed paper that proves that IQ is meaningless? Another curious paradox that I noticed was how the anti-IQ camp fears that acknowledging the existence of IQ would result in some people being classified as "subhuman" and treated accordingly. However, every single time that I have actually seen somebody being called a  "subhuman",  this  has
1752678;1513502422;mircea_popescu;come  from  the  anti-IQ  side!  In  other  words,  members  of  the  anti-IQ  camp  simultaneously  believe  that  on  one  hand, everybody is an equally valuable human, but on the other hand, those who deny this, even by a tenuous implication, are subhuman."
1752679;1513502488;mircea_popescu;this suddenly clarifies a lingering... not quite disagreement i wouldn't say, but something or the other with asciilifeform re iqs. i don't credit the concept at the upper bound -- saying this guy is smarter than this other guy because 138 > 133 is a very dumb way of approaching the matter ; or othersise stated, IQ > 100 is entirely meaningless.
1752680;1513502529;mircea_popescu;at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
1752681;1513502648;mircea_popescu;this view neatly explains both why mensa is fulla failures and why there's not that many iq 69s writing papers about how meaningful iqs are.
1752682;1513502651;mircea_popescu;!!up lu wtf.
1752683;1513502651;deedbot;lu voiced for 30 minutes.
1752684;1513503002;mircea_popescu;aaand in other pravda lulz, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/12/13/men-charged-in-terror-plot-to-kill-muslims-want-trump-voters-on-their-jury/
1752685;1513504472;mircea_popescu;aaand in further http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/#selection-343.240-343.263, ilkka k : when a woman has to fuck but "doesn't want to" then "no means no" ; but when a man has to give up his income but "doesn'rt want to" then "taxation is necessary for the good of everyone & society etc bla bla".
1752686;1513522417;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752680 << i dun recall ever disagreeing with this: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541407 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-09#1428213 , and elsewhere
1752687;1513522417;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 09:22 mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
1752688;1513522417;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 21:07 asciilifeform: aha. and so it looks like this is a replay of the iq thread - it is quite impossible to specify 'smart', but trivial to specify stupid; impossible - good fuck, easy to describe a useless one; the list of horrible food is easy to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of tasties; etc
1752689;1513522417;a111;Logged on 2016-03-09 22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'iq' WORKS for identifying stupidity
1752690;1513522590;asciilifeform;as 'iq tests' were used 100yr ago, worked great . i.e. on ~small children~, who don't train for it or expect it ; and worx fine for sorting folx into the 4 basic buckets,
1752691;1513522671;asciilifeform;say, 'tards who need caretakers/gasenwagen', 'tards who need tard trainers, can be made employable', 'normal folx', 'people worth teaching booklearningz'
1752692;1513522682;asciilifeform;!!up trobin
1752693;1513522682;deedbot;trobin voiced for 30 minutes.
1752694;1513522684;asciilifeform;grr
1752695;1513523130;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1752696;1513523146;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 19290.0, vol: 9363.70889026 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 19187.8, vol: 3027.77083552 | Volume-weighted last average: 19265.0281495
1752697;1513523164;asciilifeform;ohai BingoBoingo
1752698;1513523170;asciilifeform;how's bananistan
1752699;1513523427;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752635 << possibly we had this thread but... what exactly is wrong with mechanical dishwashers ?
1752700;1513523427;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 05:49 mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
1752701;1513523483;asciilifeform;they work pretty well, to the point that asciilifeform sees dwellings where one aint installed, as roughly similar to ones with outdoor latrine
1752702;1513523487;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So far so god, aside from a critical structural failing banana'd into the hostel...
1752703;1513523501;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: waiwat
1752704;1513523556;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Rain revealed the roof's pitch on the hostel is bowl shaped
1752705;1513523597;BingoBoingo;As in there is now a pool over the center of the building ~3.5 cm deep at its deepest.
1752706;1513523618;asciilifeform;dun sound like much
1752707;1513523642;BingoBoingo;Well, flat roof pulls double duty as deck
1752708;1513523764;BingoBoingo;Other tenants y staff don't seem to be panicking, so it's anthropology time.
1752709;1513524032;BingoBoingo;The pooling would have gone unnotice by myself if it wasn't for the right side of my bed being where water slowly leave the roof for the building interior.
1752710;1513524078;BingoBoingo;But the colombians here this weekend have been tremendous help with the spanish.
1752711;1513524112;BingoBoingo;Brb, tengo que ir a la feria!
1752712;1513528398;shinohai;Disfrutalo BingoBoingo !
1752713;1513531546;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << surely the point was "female(s) dedicated to upkeep of the house and male in it" and not which devices ya own.
1752714;1513531546;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 15:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752635 << possibly we had this thread but... what exactly is wrong with mechanical dishwashers ?
1752715;1513532565;mircea_popescu;!!up iangeker
1752716;1513532566;deedbot;iangeker voiced for 30 minutes.
1752717;1513532570;mircea_popescu;!!up tro hm
1752718;1513532570;deedbot;tro voiced for 30 minutes.
1752719;1513532743;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752690 << aha, quite. i dunno if we ever actually formally discussed the item, just vague "is iq a thing or not"
1752720;1513532743;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 14:56 asciilifeform: as 'iq tests' were used 100yr ago, worked great . i.e. on ~small children~, who don't train for it or expect it ; and worx fine for sorting folx into the 4 basic buckets,
1752721;1513532963;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752691 << sadly and to everyone's despair, bucket 3 went away sometime in 1993. there is ~0 utility for prole in postmodern world. female may make great slave/breeder, as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ but otherwise, nobody needs a "worker" today for anything.
1752722;1513532963;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 14:57 asciilifeform: say, 'tards who need caretakers/gasenwagen', 'tards who need tard trainers, can be made employable', 'normal folx', 'people worth teaching booklearningz'
1752723;1513533029;mircea_popescu;considering how bucket 4 was never really more than a % or two ; and how bucket 3 was a good 40% of humanity (about 80% of it male)... this is a social shock, to say the least.
1752724;1513533085;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << depends. what exactly is wrong with car ? "if you use it to leverage your effort, nothing. if you use it to never fucking walk on your two legs, ie, try and REPLACE your effort, pretty much everything starting with coronaries."
1752725;1513533085;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 15:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752635 << possibly we had this thread but... what exactly is wrong with mechanical dishwashers ?
1752726;1513533213;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752701 << this is silly, especially considering the discussion (washing ~one fork!!~) is specifically about the so-amply-discussed-it's-almost-a-term-of-art bad angle for washing machine. seriously, you expect me to fire up the whole cubometre machinery to wash one fork ? or what, is the one plate from today going to wait 2 weeks to be washed until there's like a third of a load ? nonsense.
1752727;1513533213;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 15:11 asciilifeform: they work pretty well, to the point that asciilifeform sees dwellings where one aint installed, as roughly similar to ones with outdoor latrine
1752728;1513533233;mircea_popescu;leverage, yes ; replace, no. bitch washes dishes as part and parcel of her staying sane rather than taking off into lalaland.
1752729;1513533398;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752713 << dun even have to be female. there is such a thing as a "house mother" that's usually an old fag in the sort of "artist communities" composed of gay males as found all over... well, seattle and sf, mostly. but anyway, item exists and proven-to-work.
1752730;1513533398;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 17:25 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << surely the point was "female(s) dedicated to upkeep of the house and male in it" and not which devices ya own.
1752731;1513533460;mircea_popescu;in fact the pink elephsecret re "halfway houses" is that someone noticed cca 1960 HOW exactly gay communities work when they do, attempted to apply methodology to solving problem of the state (criminal poverty / criminal addiction), with ~some~ success.
1752732;1513533472;mircea_popescu;not that much ; but way the fuck more than is common for a state-run state-idea.
1752733;1513533608;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/17/my-reference-code-shelf/ << Ossasepia - My Reference Code Shelf
1752734;1513535624;shinohai;Nice article diana_coman, a "reference code shelf" *is* vey good idea.
1752735;1513538049;diana_coman;cheers shinohai
1752736;1513543646;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-disambiguation-of-laughter/ << Trilema - The disambiguation of laughter
1752737;1513544227;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752726 << the part i dunget is , why is the '1 fork' scenario contemplated at all ? are washing machines a waste because 'whole cubometre, you say, for 1 sock' ? for instance asciilifeform has 0 problem filling regular-sized dishwasher in <1day , and that's with 3 meals and a crew of only 2 .
1752738;1513544227;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 17:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752701 << this is silly, especially considering the discussion (washing ~one fork!!~) is specifically about the so-amply-discussed-it's-almost-a-term-of-art bad angle for washing machine. seriously, you expect me to fire up the whole cubometre machinery to wash one fork ? or what, is the one plate from today going to wait 2 weeks to be washed until there's like a third of a load ? nonsense.
1752739;1513544234;asciilifeform;why wouldja 'wash 1 fork' ?
1752740;1513544315;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752724 << unlike walking in fresh air, washing dishes by hand has 0 whatsoever to recommend it. it's busywork, plain and simple, like ru recruits painting snow white and grass green.
1752741;1513544315;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 17:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752699 << depends. what exactly is wrong with car ? "if you use it to leverage your effort, nothing. if you use it to never fucking walk on your two legs, ie, try and REPLACE your effort, pretty much everything starting with coronaries."
1752742;1513544359;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752719 << did discuss, in detail, see earlier links
1752743;1513544359;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 17:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752690 << aha, quite. i dunno if we ever actually formally discussed the item, just vague "is iq a thing or not"
1752744;1513544382;*;asciilifeform aficionado of subj, has a shelf full of ancient tests from various authors and periods
1752745;1513544473;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752721 << the 'errything roboticized, robo-cabbies driving robo-repairmen to their sites' item is an sv hallucination. none of these items exist, or threaten to , for so long as there are pipes and plumbers there is a role for iq100 folx
1752746;1513544473;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 17:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752691 << sadly and to everyone's despair, bucket 3 went away sometime in 1993. there is ~0 utility for prole in postmodern world. female may make great slave/breeder, as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ but otherwise, nobody needs a "worker" today for anything.
1752747;1513544527;asciilifeform;nobody's roboticizing the auto mechanic, either. or 9,000 others.
1752748;1513544592;asciilifeform;( and before anyone mentions 'modern mechanic reads debug codes' -- yes he does, and then spends 5hrs disassembling the greasy, sooty whatevers, to get at $part, just like 100yrs ago. )
1752749;1513544716;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752723 << bucket3 (i.e. 'normals') was -- definitionally, and now as then -- 68% , i.e. +/- 1 sd .
1752750;1513544716;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 17:50 mircea_popescu: considering how bucket 4 was never really more than a % or two ; and how bucket 3 was a good 40% of humanity (about 80% of it male)... this is a social shock, to say the least.
1752751;1513544723;asciilifeform;it dun move.
1752752;1513544729;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit.
1752753;1513544806;asciilifeform;i suppose if you colour its bottom half 'high functioning tards', it's 34 . but idea is that test is only really accurate to 1sd
1752754;1513544833;asciilifeform;( so somebody who ranked -1sd on a bad day may well score dead center , the next , etc )
1752755;1513544879;asciilifeform;and it's sumthinglike 70-80% female, not male.
1752756;1513544920;asciilifeform;( consider who occupies ~100% of both tard farm and university maths dept )
1752757;1513544986;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752728 << possibly we had this thread...
1752758;1513544986;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 17:53 mircea_popescu: leverage, yes ; replace, no. bitch washes dishes as part and parcel of her staying sane rather than taking off into lalaland.
1752759;1513545007;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640167 and elsewhere )
1752760;1513545007;a111;Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
1752761;1513545709;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752733 << this is neato
1752762;1513545709;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 18:00 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/17/my-reference-code-shelf/ << Ossasepia - My Reference Code Shelf
1752763;1513545729;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to intern sigs at http://www.dianacoman.com/reference-code-shelf , ty
1752764;1513545729;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1752765;1513546466;asciilifeform;mirrored at http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch.diana_coman.sig , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch2_logicals.vpatch.diana_coman.sig , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch3_shifts.vpatch.diana_coman.sig . congrats to diana_coman , first graduate of ch1-ch3 !
1752766;1513547947;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1752767;1513547952;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 18849.99, vol: 9362.76674771 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 18910.0, vol: 49680.37625053 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 18816.7, vol: 3188.42903188 | Volume-weighted last average: 18896.1912526
1752768;1513548586;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the spamtraps, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Or6S8/?raw=true
1752769;1513550109;shinohai;!!up indiancandy1
1752770;1513550110;deedbot;indiancandy1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1752771;1513550120;indiancandy1;dude
1752772;1513550123;indiancandy1;shno
1752773;1513550128;indiancandy1;do u ever reply on twitter
1752774;1513550131;indiancandy1;i have been trying to find u
1752775;1513550135;indiancandy1;where the hell u been kid
1752776;1513550148;shinohai;Mah twitter got suspended
1752777;1513550177;shinohai;But, there is this place, called the tmsr, nearly always here ..... :)
1752778;1513550185;shinohai;!!up Dekker3D
1752779;1513550185;deedbot;Dekker3D voiced for 30 minutes.
1752780;1513550206;indiancandy1;tmsr
1752781;1513550206;indiancandy1;?
1752782;1513550212;indiancandy1;i couldnt find u on skype either
1752783;1513550241;indiancandy1;oh hey daniel
1752784;1513554229;mircea_popescu;o hey, look who's here.
1752785;1513554233;mircea_popescu;how goes gollywood ?
1752786;1513554266;mircea_popescu;!!up indiancandy1
1752787;1513554267;deedbot;indiancandy1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1752788;1513555008;indiancandy1;omg
1752789;1513555012;indiancandy1;mp
1752790;1513555015;indiancandy1;my fave
1752791;1513555021;indiancandy1;how are we
1752792;1513555691;trinque;!!up BigTexasBingo
1752793;1513555692;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1752794;1513555701;trinque;omg culture appropriation!!11!
1752795;1513555734;BigTexasBingo;Gracias, while hacer poopoo, hade a day with a suburban girl for Thursday night
1752796;1513555761;BigTexasBingo;Y lol at indiancandy's ourselfism
1752797;1513555794;BigTexasBingo;Trinque nick on this device was set up for Houston airport
1752798;1513555822;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-most-chauvinist-serene-order-of-the-holes-gloriouses/ << Trilema - The Most Chauvinist Serene Order Of The Holes Gloriouses
1752799;1513555865;indiancandy1;i read ur peice on credit cards mp
1752800;1513555867;indiancandy1;interesting
1752801;1513555896;BigTexasBingo;Hecho poopoo, ciao
1752802;1513556660;mircea_popescu;we are good!
1752803;1513556798;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752737 << laundry is dry ; dishes are wet ; laundry is light, dishes are heavy in terms of dirt -- if you ever fish as much oil out of a shirt as out of a plate you oughta see a doctor. consequently laundry keeps better than dishes.
1752804;1513556798;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 20:57 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752726 << the part i dunget is , why is the '1 fork' scenario contemplated at all ? are washing machines a waste because 'whole cubometre, you say, for 1 sock' ? for instance asciilifeform has 0 problem filling regular-sized dishwasher in <1day , and that's with 3 meals and a crew of only 2 .
1752805;1513556830;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752740 << so ? toenail painting just as much busywork.
1752806;1513556830;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 20:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752724 << unlike walking in fresh air, washing dishes by hand has 0 whatsoever to recommend it. it's busywork, plain and simple, like ru recruits painting snow white and grass green.
1752807;1513556858;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752745 << iq 100 is group 2, not group 3.
1752808;1513556858;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 21:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752721 << the 'errything roboticized, robo-cabbies driving robo-repairmen to their sites' item is an sv hallucination. none of these items exist, or threaten to , for so long as there are pipes and plumbers there is a role for iq100 folx
1752809;1513556873;mircea_popescu;group 3 is "walmart grocery bagger", and no use for those.
1752810;1513556905;mircea_popescu;!!up indiancandy1
1752811;1513556906;deedbot;indiancandy1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1752812;1513556915;indiancandy1;i read ur peice
1752813;1513556920;indiancandy1;on credit cardsinteresting
1752814;1513556924;mircea_popescu;which pence did you read ?
1752815;1513556976;indiancandy1;how people trust creditcard
1752816;1513556982;indiancandy1;and not crypto curncyy
1752817;1513556983;mircea_popescu;link ?
1752818;1513556988;indiancandy1;when its stil a digital wallet
1752819;1513557001;indiancandy1;i dont have it i read it the other day
1752820;1513557006;mircea_popescu;ic.
1752821;1513557016;indiancandy1;yea
1752822;1513557026;indiancandy1;digital wallets
1752823;1513557089;indiancandy1;shino
1752824;1513557106;indiancandy1;mp u must be very happy
1752825;1513557113;mircea_popescu;whysasat ?
1752826;1513557116;indiancandy1;coz
1752827;1513557124;indiancandy1;the world is now learning about btc
1752828;1513557132;indiancandy1;its evrywhere
1752829;1513557133;indiancandy1;news
1752830;1513557134;indiancandy1;radio
1752831;1513557140;indiancandy1;evry1 is talkin bout it
1752832;1513557152;indiancandy1;the price has sky rocketed
1752833;1513557154;mircea_popescu;eh, what do i care about this world.
1752834;1513557158;indiancandy1;i regret selling myne
1752835;1513557162;indiancandy1;well ur geting richer
1752836;1513557185;indiancandy1;im sure when u first got into it
1752837;1513557193;indiancandy1;u didnt predict this
1752838;1513557197;indiancandy1;or did u
1752839;1513557200;mircea_popescu;of course i did.
1752840;1513557284;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752809 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752810 << insta-lol
1752841;1513557284;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 00:27 mircea_popescu: group 3 is "walmart grocery bagger", and no use for those.
1752842;1513557284;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 00:28 mircea_popescu: !!up indiancandy1
1752843;1513557294;mircea_popescu;:)
1752844;1513557310;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 o hey, remember when you didn't want to write on your tits, cuz "too little" ?
1752845;1513557314;mircea_popescu;what was it, 0.1 btc ?
1752846;1513557363;indiancandy1;exactly
1752847;1513557368;indiancandy1;i sold the for 80 euro
1752848;1513557378;indiancandy1;im si could be drinkin coffee with u
1752849;1513557381;indiancandy1;sad*
1752850;1513557384;indiancandy1;in argentina
1752851;1513557389;indiancandy1;now im making 14k usd a month
1752852;1513557395;indiancandy1;and getin taxed half
1752853;1513557397;indiancandy1;shocking
1752854;1513557402;indiancandy1;and then converting to pounds
1752855;1513557404;indiancandy1;im left with 5k
1752856;1513557406;indiancandy1;a month
1752857;1513557406;indiancandy1;:(
1752858;1513558842;mircea_popescu;!!up indiancandy1
1752859;1513558843;deedbot;indiancandy1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1752860;1513558848;mircea_popescu;im not in argentina, i'm in costa rica.
1752861;1513558902;indiancandy1;ohokay
1752862;1513558906;indiancandy1;when u goin romania
1752863;1513558910;indiancandy1;stop by
1752864;1513558912;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1752865;1513558912;indiancandy1;london
1752866;1513558916;mircea_popescu;eh, london blows.
1752867;1513558926;indiancandy1;are ur fam in romania?
1752868;1513558930;mircea_popescu;yeah
1752869;1513558939;indiancandy1;bucha
1752870;1513558944;indiancandy1;?
1752871;1513558951;mircea_popescu;nah, transylvania
1752872;1513559015;indiancandy1;damn
1752873;1513559022;indiancandy1;related to vladmire?
1752874;1513559029;indiancandy1;wouldnt be suprised
1752875;1513559030;mircea_popescu;lol. possibly...
1752876;1513559039;indiancandy1;i knew it
1752877;1513559039;mircea_popescu;o by the way, i checked out some indian films recently.
1752878;1513559043;mircea_popescu;THEY SUCKED!
1752879;1513559044;indiancandy1;fuck that
1752880;1513559046;indiancandy1;fuck them
1752881;1513559052;indiancandy1;i dont compromise
1752882;1513559055;mircea_popescu;like, "3 idiots", you kjnow that ?
1752883;1513559057;indiancandy1;i thought i could
1752884;1513559060;indiancandy1;but i cant
1752885;1513559063;indiancandy1;i cant do it
1752886;1513559068;indiancandy1;s i left
1752887;1513559082;indiancandy1;yea i wathed it
1752888;1513559083;indiancandy1;long ago
1752889;1513559087;indiancandy1;like it?
1752890;1513559095;mircea_popescu;and who the fuck is that adam sandler wannabe Aamir Khan schmuck ?
1752891;1513559096;indiancandy1;heard its a rip off though
1752892;1513559106;indiancandy1;yea they riip off american movies
1752893;1513559108;indiancandy1;and japanese
1752894;1513559110;mircea_popescu;no, i didn't like it. it's fucking offensively terrible.
1752895;1513559113;indiancandy1;and indianize it
1752896;1513559232;mircea_popescu;so what do you work in for 15k a month ?
1752897;1513559240;indiancandy1;cam girl
1752898;1513559242;indiancandy1;its 14k
1752899;1513559244;mircea_popescu;ah.
1752900;1513559244;indiancandy1;usd
1752901;1513559248;indiancandy1;but they take half man
1752902;1513559251;indiancandy1;i swear
1752903;1513559253;indiancandy1;it hurts
1752904;1513559255;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1752905;1513559265;indiancandy1;it is what it is
1752906;1513559276;mircea_popescu;pimp gonna pimp.
1752907;1513559302;mircea_popescu;!!key indiancandy1
1752908;1513559303;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/a886215d072240c8d8632da8564f4d7daeea5571.asc
1752909;1513559305;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1752910;1513559316;mircea_popescu;did you see trinque made a bitcoin wallet now and everything ?
1752911;1513559358;indiancandy1;i need to create a new id
1752912;1513559361;indiancandy1;on here
1752913;1513559365;indiancandy1;to join wot again
1752914;1513559368;indiancandy1;and get new info
1752915;1513559377;indiancandy1;so i dont need to getvoice al the time
1752916;1513559380;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with that one ?
1752917;1513559385;indiancandy1;shino said
1752918;1513559388;indiancandy1;there is no other way
1752919;1513559391;indiancandy1;i have to create a new 1
1752920;1513559396;mircea_popescu;did you lose your key ?
1752921;1513559399;indiancandy1;yea
1752922;1513559402;mircea_popescu;dork.
1752923;1513559408;indiancandy1;cant i reclaim?
1752924;1513559412;mircea_popescu;nope.
1752925;1513559487;indiancandy1;okay
1752926;1513559495;indiancandy1;wellim gona creata new one
1752927;1513559497;indiancandy1;it wil be
1752928;1513559499;indiancandy1;....
1752929;1513559505;indiancandy1;do u kno my name
1752930;1513559507;indiancandy1;lol
1752931;1513559514;mircea_popescu;shakti something wasn't it ?
1752932;1513559515;indiancandy1;sofia
1752933;1513559518;indiancandy1;is my real name
1752934;1513559526;indiancandy1;sofiababy works
1752935;1513559528;mircea_popescu;you know what that means in teh original language ?
1752936;1513559533;indiancandy1;wisdom
1752937;1513559534;indiancandy1;im greek
1752938;1513559535;indiancandy1;duh
1752939;1513559537;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1752940;1513559538;indiancandy1;philosophy baby
1752941;1513559543;mircea_popescu;lol i see.
1752942;1513559544;indiancandy1;no wonder im borderline genius
1752943;1513559547;indiancandy1;loool
1752944;1513559610;mircea_popescu;!!up da-gambl427
1752945;1513559610;deedbot;da-gambl427 voiced for 30 minutes.
1752946;1513559612;da-gambl427;▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETrltagc: candi_lustt whaack lobbes deedbot robbinhood scriba yangwao shinohai manamex _whitelogger gribble mats mircea_popescu jurov asciilifeform lobbesbot davout Valfor spyked tb0t iangeker pete_dushenski punto barpu
1752947;1513559615;mircea_popescu;lol
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1752950;1513559622;mircea_popescu;!!down da-gambl427
1752951;1513559656;mircea_popescu;!~google da fuck is an lrh
1752952;1513559657;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: What the fuck is Scientology ? : scientology - Reddit: ; Reporter Goes Ghetto "WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT" - YouTube: ; LRH pictures you've probably never seen before | Page 2 | Why We ...: (1 more message)
1752953;1513559667;mircea_popescu;mmkay.
1752954;1513559934;phf;"The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
1752955;1513559992;mircea_popescu;not a bad fit, but the guy is going ass-backwards about it.
1752956;1513560011;indiancandy1;whose on the
1752957;1513560017;mircea_popescu;more of the same old http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/ story of failure to cater to the elite in the blind quest to chase the nobodies.
1752958;1513560021;phf;ought to be invitide™
1752959;1513560034;indiancandy1;someone sent me the link
1752960;1513560035;indiancandy1;who is it
1752961;1513560036;mircea_popescu;phf hm ?
1752962;1513560041;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 rando spammer.
1752963;1513560042;indiancandy1;gypsy?
1752964;1513560058;phf;asciilifeform: will update all the thing, motherbored finally gave out on the main machine so taking some time to get my infrastructure in order
1752965;1513560061;mircea_popescu;don't believe everything you read ; especially not online.
1752966;1513560150;indiancandy1;k im gona create a new id
1752967;1513560154;indiancandy1;on hereit wil be sofiababy
1752968;1513560159;indiancandy1;how do i get a key again
1752969;1513560160;indiancandy1;sorry
1752970;1513560170;indiancandy1;dont hate me
1752971;1513560186;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1752014
1752972;1513560186;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 17:04 mircea_popescu: http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup << ad-interim "how to set up a key" guide.
1752973;1513560230;phf;this l0de show is now trolling all the people who showed up from the mass advertisement and raging in the youtube live stream section. i'm away from internet for one day, come back it's the same amount of shitshow
1752974;1513560351;phf;meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)
1752975;1513560574;phf;mircea_popescu: i was saying we should invite him, but i realized that was stupid as soon as i said it
1752976;1513560597;mircea_popescu;he can consider self invited.
1752977;1513560674;mircea_popescu;phf it's bait btw.
1752978;1513560760;mats;lel, i tuned in a couple weeks ago after spam in another chan - weev was brought on and proceeded to rave about using btc to place shorts on papa johns stock
1752979;1513560778;mircea_popescu;anything but shit that works, huh.
1752980;1513560802;mats;and then using his aryan brotherhood pals to pimp the corp
1752981;1513560894;mircea_popescu;vaguely reminiscent of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748707
1752982;1513560894;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 14:45 mircea_popescu: in other shit you'll never believe, ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica because "prefers milder climates". "20 is too hot for her"!
1752983;1513561029;mats;from the looks of his unfinished room, none of that happened
1752984;1513561071;mircea_popescu;in other news, here's another thing teh republic wants to hire : an exceptional orfevre.
1752985;1513561079;*;mircea_popescu is thinking of actually starting a chivalry order.
1752986;1513561142;phf;we're finally going full knight templar?
1752987;1513561150;mircea_popescu;well...
1752988;1513561160;mircea_popescu;what the hell is wrong with it, some nice gold swag
1752989;1513561360;*;phf wouldn't mind having one of those oversized, drafty castles where you have to run a fireplace to heat one room out of 20 (or was it 30? we've lost count during last inspection, etc.)
1752990;1513561388;mircea_popescu;so far we're only talking oversized lapel pins
1752991;1513561532;phf;eh, i'm not picky
1752992;1513561631;cazalla;g'day folks
1752993;1513561668;mircea_popescu;how's pollacklands
1752994;1513561742;cazalla;yet to step foot there, still waiting on my citizenship and passport
1752995;1513561753;mircea_popescu;a
1752996;1513561822;cazalla;know much about whisky mp? bought myself a $500 bottle, bit disappointed, not sure what i expected or if scammed lol (26yr old glenfiddich)
1752997;1513561832;mircea_popescu;i despise grain alcohols.
1752998;1513561840;mircea_popescu;but if one has to, vodka. wtf is whis whiskey bs.
1752999;1513561851;cazalla;nigger rich!
1753000;1513561868;cazalla;figured why not, once doesn't hurt, not gonna double down and get the 30 yr old
1753001;1513561872;mircea_popescu;sure.
1753002;1513561880;mircea_popescu;i regularily buy the 30yo rum
1753003;1513561882;mircea_popescu;very much worth it.
1753004;1513561896;mircea_popescu;course here you can actually get it in bars.
1753005;1513561924;cazalla;i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now)
1753006;1513561951;mircea_popescu;!!up sofiababy
1753007;1513561951;deedbot;sofiababy voiced for 30 minutes.
1753008;1513561958;sofiababy;has no one updated
1753009;1513561960;sofiababy;this thing
1753010;1513561974;sofiababy;the instructions on how to create a key
1753011;1513561983;sofiababy;it seems somethings a slightly different
1753012;1513562076;mircea_popescu;how ?
1753013;1513562127;sofiababy;it used to say certficate
1753014;1513562129;sofiababy;now it says keys
1753015;1513562131;sofiababy;which is fine
1753016;1513562134;sofiababy;im not that stupid
1753017;1513562139;sofiababy;i was jus saying u need to update it
1753018;1513562142;sofiababy;who ever created in
1753019;1513562145;sofiababy;anyway im half way
1753020;1513562148;sofiababy;on creating
1753021;1513562151;cazalla;where do you cam sofiababy ?
1753022;1513562152;sofiababy;my gateway
1753023;1513562158;sofiababy;mfc
1753024;1513562216;cazalla;try twitch?
1753025;1513562302;sofiababy;yeai did i used to play ps4
1753026;1513562306;sofiababy;thereu dont make half
1753027;1513562311;esthlos;mircea_popescu: i apologise for disappearing. I was in meatspace this weekend
1753028;1513562315;sofiababy;im havin an issue
1753029;1513562319;sofiababy;can someone help me
1753030;1513562328;sofiababy;im stuck on
1753031;1513562342;esthlos;mircea_popescu: you can find some work at http://www.esthlos.com
1753032;1513562370;sofiababy;In your task bar, right click on the Kleopatra icon, go to ‘Clipboard’, then click ‘Certificate Import’
1753033;1513562375;sofiababy;it isnt an option
1753034;1513562381;sofiababy;certificate import isnt an option
1753035;1513562395;sofiababy;areyou a gamer cazala
1753036;1513562418;shinohai;O hai cazalla
1753037;1513562443;esthlos;mircea_popescu: my thesis is probably the most interesting.
1753038;1513562463;cazalla;sofiababy, no, stopped watching twitch after it was inundated with gamer girl camwhores, but i read they do well sparking up league of legends, chatting to virgins and getting them to donate to their patreon
1753039;1513562480;cazalla;shinohai, heya shinohai
1753040;1513562487;sofiababy;im not sure how much twitch take
1753041;1513562491;sofiababy;they dont do they
1753042;1513562497;sofiababy;u have to use paypal i guess
1753043;1513562500;asciilifeform;holy FUQ the gigatonne of 3-syllable-per-line liquishit in this log
1753044;1513562507;sofiababy;i play gta
1753045;1513562533;mircea_popescu;o cool lessee
1753046;1513562570;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform womenz in da haus.
1753047;1513562584;phf;cazalla: what'd you think of 46yr glenfiddih compared to their 12yr etc. stuff? i've had a variety of vintages, and i can't for the love of me feel ~that~ much difference. meanwhile a difference between a 10 and 40 year port is very tangible
1753048;1513562598;mircea_popescu;tangy-ble lol
1753049;1513562598;sofiababy;whiskey?
1753050;1513562605;phf;mircea_popescu: :]
1753051;1513562610;sofiababy;i dont drink
1753052;1513562613;sofiababy;when i did
1753053;1513562618;sofiababy;i did drink glenf
1753054;1513562624;mircea_popescu;o you did ?
1753055;1513562637;mircea_popescu;cazalla phf all your questions are answered i presume ?
1753056;1513562670;mircea_popescu;in other esthlos-powered insta-lulz, "I wish to God these calculations were executed by steam..."
1753057;1513562692;phf;heh
1753058;1513562725;*;mircea_popescu recalls somewhat fondly old days of "put the model in and wait a few hours for to find out how you fucked it up this time"
1753059;1513562736;cazalla;phf, 26yr excellence was nice, but maybe i built it up in my mind to be something other given its cost,  i'd be just as happy to drink the 18 or 15 tbh, not that i drink much at all these days anyway
1753060;1513562754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you'd luvvvv pcb design-manufacture loop. asics even moar.
1753061;1513562765;mircea_popescu;esthlos i take it you read naggum's overfinnicky in parts, overloose in other parts time essay ?
1753062;1513562767;asciilifeform;( replace 'hours' with 'months' )
1753063;1513562771;mircea_popescu;oya.
1753064;1513562788;asciilifeform;and if you merely long for the days of 8 hour compiles -- will luvv large fpga wurk.
1753065;1513562789;mircea_popescu;maybe fondly wasn't the exactly right word.
1753066;1513562793;asciilifeform;lol
1753067;1513562795;mircea_popescu;something more in the vein of delighted relief.
1753068;1513562831;sofiababy;meh =[
1753069;1513562839;sofiababy;kleopatra dont like me
1753070;1513562848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform phf https://arxiv.org/abs/1408.2499 << check him out
1753071;1513562853;mircea_popescu;!!rated esthlos
1753072;1513562854;deedbot;mircea_popescu has not rated esthlos.
1753073;1513562877;asciilifeform;oh hey, a new german maths d00d ?
1753074;1513562884;asciilifeform;( where did we put the old one.. )
1753075;1513562895;mircea_popescu;!!rate esthlos 1 WRT lulz.
1753076;1513562897;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kEWUz/?raw=true
1753077;1513562923;esthlos;mircea_popescu: I haven't see that of naggum's
1753078;1513562948;esthlos;mircea_popescu: spacetime is my main field of study
1753079;1513562965;mircea_popescu;(forlulz : item he discussed is called "chern-simons" by anglos because exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 )
1753080;1513562965;a111;Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1753081;1513562988;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have an entire collection of these somewhere
1753082;1513562990;esthlos;mircea_popescu: but not what the field theorists do. they can go to hell
1753083;1513562994;mircea_popescu;as does everyone.
1753084;1513563000;asciilifeform;( su-originated items, in particular, 'rebranded' )
1753085;1513563016;mircea_popescu;esthlos so what's your take on the imminent quantum computer in a thousand words or less ? :D
1753086;1513563018;phf;cazalla: nod, i in fact befriended a guy who has the largest whisky collection on the east coast (an old texan drunk), and despite sampling a large variety, i'm just going to stick to bottom shelf
1753087;1513563054;mircea_popescu;esthlos http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html it was iirc
1753088;1513563092;*;asciilifeform finds himself in agreement with phf , ~all reasonably-clean distillates taste ~same to him
1753089;1513563120;mircea_popescu;if it's not made from fruit, it'd better be 99%'d and then diluted back down.
1753090;1513563126;phf;mircea_popescu: that one is a purely technical paper on details of code implementation for calculations with civil time
1753091;1513563149;mircea_popescu;"The Long, Painful History of Time" ?
1753092;1513563155;phf;yes
1753093;1513563158;cazalla;in other news, what is with hookers talking about their fkn kids
1753094;1513563177;phf;if you're reading it, it's for you
1753095;1513563182;cazalla;one burmese bitch even starting complaining she couldn't do as many men as some of the other girls
1753096;1513563182;asciilifeform;^
1753097;1513563183;mircea_popescu;phf wut are you talking aboot ?
1753098;1513563228;mircea_popescu;i mean sure it gets to computer implementations halfway through...
1753099;1513563249;sofiababy;cazala u crac me up
1753100;1513563252;sofiababy;its a trick maybe
1753101;1513563254;sofiababy;to get sympathyy
1753102;1513563263;sofiababy;and sympathy means cash
1753103;1513563268;mircea_popescu;esthlos jesus christ could your items not be pdfs for the love of things not sucking.
1753104;1513563295;mircea_popescu;also pinet.* is 404.
1753105;1513563303;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phf's summary is entirely troo, naggum's item was about time ~units~, zones, seasons. rather than physical concept.
1753106;1513563318;mircea_popescu;naive perception thereof, i guess. anyway.
1753107;1513563349;asciilifeform;people-stuck-actually-implementing-clocks perception.
1753108;1513563369;mircea_popescu;then again, the notion that a perception of time might not be naive is a pretty tough argument in the first place.
1753109;1513563370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what else ?
1753110;1513563390;asciilifeform;nuffinelse, that was whole item
1753111;1513563408;mircea_popescu;what-else-can-be-a-naive-perception-of-time-than-trying-to-build-clocks
1753112;1513563414;asciilifeform;aaa hm
1753113;1513563455;asciilifeform;for the lack of any contact with 'expert perceptions of time', i'll leave this item where it is
1753114;1513563476;mircea_popescu;well, you don't like modern physics.
1753115;1513563488;asciilifeform;i'm ok with sr/gr
1753116;1513563503;esthlos;asciilifeform: yes
1753117;1513563511;mircea_popescu;but let me point out a cheval that various investigations in the nature of the number cca 1700s were equally ill regarded.
1753118;1513563513;asciilifeform;waiwat which yes
1753119;1513563523;mircea_popescu;the ANTERIOR yes, yes ?
1753120;1513563530;phf;yes?
1753121;1513563541;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752974 << 'macports' iirc still worx
1753122;1513563541;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)
1753123;1513563554;esthlos;asciilifeform: wrt sr/gr
1753124;1513563577;esthlos;quantm field theory is a mess, everyone just wants to be the next einstein, no one cares about understanding what is going on
1753125;1513563590;mircea_popescu;this sounds shocking and unexpected.
1753126;1513563607;mircea_popescu;anyone recall that great scene where tom green "Saves the day" at the maternity ward ?
1753127;1513563613;phf;asciilifeform: i've been trying to build "mpv", a video player that notoriously relies on a lot of shit packages. i've actually tried homebrew over netbsd's ports, because later fails to build mpv that actually works on mac. now so does homebrew. i'll try macports, but i doubt it'll deliver
1753128;1513563613;esthlos;the quantum path integral is a farce, even dirac said we need to start over
1753129;1513563615;mircea_popescu;"i guess they just DON'T LIKE HEROES AROUND HERE!11"
1753130;1513563617;asciilifeform;esthlos: i tuned out when 'serious' people started talking about 'testability and parsimony aren't mandatory'
1753131;1513563654;esthlos;my thesis is about a rigorous approach...which only works in 3D... sigh
1753132;1513563694;mircea_popescu;what's this mean, "only works in 3d"
1753133;1513563715;esthlos;mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it
1753134;1513563726;mircea_popescu;oh i see.
1753135;1513563838;mircea_popescu;"The Chern–Simons theory, named after Shiing-Shen Chern and James Harris Simons, is a 3-dimensional topological quantum field theory of Schwarz type, developed by Edward Witten." << wikipedia fucking delivers.
1753136;1513563856;esthlos;mircea_popescu: its almost a joke of the universe that 4d manifolds are almost impossible to classify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_manifolds#Dimension_4:_exotic
1753137;1513563869;mircea_popescu;"the us economy, named for mccain's father in law, is a piece of marysue fanfic written home by foreigners".
1753138;1513563882;esthlos;but 5+d is easy and 0-3 are workable
1753139;1513563912;mircea_popescu;esthlos myeah. but i mean... how can it "only work in 3d", ie, what, no solutions in 5d ?
1753140;1513564015;esthlos;mircea_popescu: more like infinite solutions, so choosing any single solution is arbitrary. just like the feynman path integral. its thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theoremhis problem in a larger context:
1753141;1513564027;esthlos;whoops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theorem
1753142;1513564047;mircea_popescu;hm
1753143;1513564059;asciilifeform;esthlos: does it ever bother you that your primary maths link-reference is a spamola farm ?
1753144;1513564089;mircea_popescu;as opposed to what exactly, the experts sex change source of all software ?
1753145;1513564114;esthlos;asciilifeform: you mean wikipedia? i agree its shitty
1753146;1513564149;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'software' ain't a thing
1753147;1513564165;mircea_popescu;math following it rapidly into the hole.
1753148;1513564187;asciilifeform;entirely possibly already in
1753149;1513564258;mircea_popescu;speaking of all this geometry, did they find the 4d smooth sphere ?
1753150;1513564259;asciilifeform;q is, why maths folx sit and edit pediwikia, which gives them nothing in return, censors/'curates' the work, and leverages it to spray respectability perfume on their politclaptrap ?
1753151;1513564286;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why do milkmaids sell their milk for 10cents a galon to walmart to be sold to consumer for a buck a bottle ?
1753152;1513564297;mircea_popescu;cuz relative size problem, they perceive themselves as small.
1753153;1513564305;asciilifeform;milkmaid gotta eat. nobody's forced to pediwikiate.
1753154;1513564316;mircea_popescu;publish or perish!
1753155;1513564327;asciilifeform;afaik pediwikism dun count as 'publication'
1753156;1513564335;asciilifeform;for delaying-perishing
1753157;1513564353;mircea_popescu;this is irrelevant. whenever the state manages to enforce some idiocy, it's not the case the state enforced it, it's the case it followed a fashion!
1753158;1513564364;mircea_popescu;they went in for the bologna BECAUSE they felt they DO have to.
1753159;1513564378;mircea_popescu;whether it's for credit or for free makes little practical difference. the problem's in the brain not in the statute.
1753160;1513564406;*;asciilifeform momentarily pictured idiocy having... viscosity.. and following, e.g., bernoulli's law
1753161;1513564416;mircea_popescu;maybe some reformulation.
1753162;1513564449;asciilifeform;but yes, pretty clear that 'felt they had to', not martian hypnosis did it, no.
1753163;1513564480;mircea_popescu;but it's absolutely and eminently NOT the case that smart people were doing smart people things and some bureaucrats came in su style and "henceforth you shall publish or perish". it was rather the case that some smart people sat around doing existential anguish, and some bureaucrats came by, packaged it as "publish or perish" and then proceeded to sell it to them (in exchange of an island of manhattan worth of "scientific" s
1753164;1513564480;mircea_popescu;upport for "policies").
1753165;1513564499;mircea_popescu;they still feel that way with or without "i fucking love science" marketing depts.
1753166;1513564548;asciilifeform;ww2 and after, grantola, explosion of (per kuhn) 'ordinary science' i.e. stamp collecting, is what did it
1753167;1513564558;asciilifeform;actual thinking folx dun have 'existential angst'.
1753168;1513564568;asciilifeform;nor a pressing need to flatten forests printing drivel.
1753169;1513564654;mircea_popescu;this is a dubious point.
1753170;1513564683;asciilifeform;whyssat
1753171;1513564729;mircea_popescu;well, for many different reasons, but let's set on the very convenient tu quoque approach. you yourself think all sorts of insanities about what you can and can not do, which vary according to mood. it's no different for anyone else.
1753172;1513564792;asciilifeform;the problem is not that folx suffer insanities, but the packaging for sale.
1753173;1513564799;mircea_popescu;this is also a dubious point.
1753174;1513564815;mircea_popescu;is the jewish young female sluttery the problem, or merely the pimp's ready marketing of it ?
1753175;1513564834;asciilifeform;i'm not equipped to map this item onto the other
1753176;1513564848;mircea_popescu;where folks suffer insanities a marketing will be found.
1753177;1513564864;mircea_popescu;where there's teenaged runaways, a charlie manson will be found
1753178;1513564866;mircea_popescu;and so following.
1753179;1513564934;mircea_popescu;not "because charlie manson, therefore here's a list of dozen+ teenagers who fucked on the first day" but quite vice-versa : "because oodlebunches of such teenagers, therefore here's weirdo cult nonsense".
1753180;1513564958;asciilifeform;that'd be ye olde 'devil finds work for idle hands' theory
1753181;1513564958;mircea_popescu;and so ipse, not because government grants therefore flatten forests printing drivel.
1753182;1513564976;mircea_popescu;much simpler than that : if your rng is broken someone somewhere will exploit it.
1753183;1513564984;mircea_popescu;insanity === broken rng.
1753184;1513565063;asciilifeform;so i take it mircea_popescu leans to 'physics stuck in a ditch post-ww2 and after that inevitably ceremonial and staffed by priests' ?
1753185;1513565086;asciilifeform;or to 'not stuck at all'
1753186;1513565107;asciilifeform;or entirely none of these ?
1753187;1513565123;mircea_popescu;no. physics stuck in ditch because smart people have fallen into a sort of sartrean hell, very much equal parts Кто ты по жизни? and "how do i know i exist"
1753188;1513565156;asciilifeform;but why fallen ~then~
1753189;1513565172;mircea_popescu;why did you fart when you farted as opposed to at any other time ?
1753190;1513565179;mircea_popescu;this is a specious argument retrospectively.
1753191;1513565238;asciilifeform;recall the 'police detective may not entertain hypothesis of miraculous disappearance when confronted with empty safe' ?
1753192;1513565244;mircea_popescu;yes.
1753193;1513565262;asciilifeform;same applies here. thinking people may not retreat to 'allah farted and therefore.
1753194;1513565276;mircea_popescu;mind that police detective is not liberal profession. this is SPECIFICALLY what it means : that not at liberty to consider all possibilities. that's what makes a technical profession.
1753195;1513565306;asciilifeform;'allah farted' is not a possibility that merits considering while having the activity still called 'thinking' and the folx engaging therein, 'thinkers'
1753196;1513565307;mircea_popescu;doctor is allowed to assign miraculous cause ; and the curtailing of that allowance exactly mirrors the technicalization (ie, de-liberalization) of medicine.
1753197;1513565322;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a third dubious point.
1753198;1513565332;asciilifeform;it's a surrender. quite analogous to soldier surrendering.
1753199;1513565361;mircea_popescu;consider the problem of mechanics in 1900. physics "complete science" and why can't you 1900 alf explain the mercury precession ?
1753200;1513565367;mircea_popescu;MAYBE YOU ARE NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH!
1753201;1513565378;mircea_popescu;good physicist NOT ALLOWED TO THROW OUT COMPLETE SCIENCE!!!
1753202;1513565382;mircea_popescu;people said these exact things, btw.
1753203;1513565391;mircea_popescu;and they were right, except... there's a categorical error.
1753204;1513565392;asciilifeform;'hard' is irrelevant. it's a 'yer not smart enuff, go sell used horses'
1753205;1513565413;mircea_popescu;the view was wrong -- the complete science was actually neither complete nor even correct
1753206;1513565430;mircea_popescu;which is why we can have color television sets with short tubes. they, smart or not smart, couldn't have.
1753207;1513565443;asciilifeform;drawing, quartering, burning out with hot irons a out defective paradigm is ~the~ work of actual thinker.
1753208;1513565450;mircea_popescu;so then.
1753209;1513565477;mircea_popescu;this "the work" is also, a surrender. in the terms of the item being burned down.
1753210;1513565488;asciilifeform;how the everliving fuck is that a surrender
1753211;1513565492;asciilifeform;it's a victory. the only kind there is.
1753212;1513565497;mircea_popescu;~in the terms of the item being burned down~.
1753213;1513565508;asciilifeform;to the defeated -- the tears.
1753214;1513565519;mircea_popescu;but before you abandoned it, it wasn't defeated yet.
1753215;1513565546;mircea_popescu;this is how coffin liners are mostly produced. for as long as you still hold it, it still has something going for it.
1753216;1513565549;mircea_popescu;namely -- you.
1753217;1513565556;asciilifeform;observe also that in practice the so-called 'physicists' ~never surrender, and how field 'advances 1 funeral at a time'
1753218;1513565633;asciilifeform;very rarely anyone abandons the dead end crud. the adherents continue to sit in their chairs, and eventually die, and next generation puts the dead end item in rubbish bin where it belongs , instead of picking up.
1753219;1513565645;mircea_popescu;mostly, yeah.
1753220;1513565680;mircea_popescu;there's also the very problematic... consider. the highlight of my entirely negligible theoretical physicist career such as it was, was pariticpating at this "international contest". it was named... "the first step to nobel prize in physics".
1753221;1513565686;asciilifeform;i found interesting that blondlot continued leading 'institute' of his 'n-rays' until he died. lived for ~decades~ after wood raped'im
1753222;1513565692;mircea_popescu;now, i didn't happen to give a shit. but think what they try to sell to these unfortunate kids.
1753223;1513565718;asciilifeform;i know what they sell to them. worked with the asian phd folx who got diploma for washing glass, 'first step to...' various.
1753224;1513565720;mircea_popescu;really ? STEPS ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 ?
1753225;1513565720;a111;Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
1753226;1513565737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't have a full vierw of the problem. allow me to recount a lengthy story that shall make my point for me.
1753227;1513565747;mircea_popescu;so, in the 1990s, after the purge dkscj
1753228;1513565748;asciilifeform;hey bureaucrat sees ~everythign~ as usg org chart, climbable, naturally has steps! itmust!!
1753229;1513565765;*;asciilifeform tunes in..
1753230;1513565779;mircea_popescu;... the purge discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ the navy and the airforce found themselves in a de facto competition
1753231;1513565787;mircea_popescu;"who will first have female jet pilots???"
1753232;1513565812;phf;asciilifeform: this is what macport presents for installation approval when you try and pull mpv http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dcDet/?raw=true
1753233;1513565815;mircea_popescu;the airforce won. it won by trickery -- had some girl that did ~6 hours all through 1990s, then did most of her actual hours in 2000s.
1753234;1513565893;mircea_popescu;the navy tried to win honestly ; and it failed. it's not JUST that woman, Hultgreen, crashed her airplane in a manner that a) was taught as incorrect and b) she had been negged for doing in training.
1753235;1513565934;mircea_popescu;it's that there were four women ; which were judged by the (absolutely and entirely fair and utterly unsexist, as a factualmatter beyond dispute) men involved as : hultgreen, marginal, the rest, substandard.
1753236;1513565939;esthlos;this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again
1753237;1513565965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: contest of strongest horse in glue factory ?
1753238;1513565990;mircea_popescu;now, all this was found out because an engineer involved leaked data. he did so because it was eggregious -- like how the sort of red mark that often ended a male';s career were accumulating in the double digits on these unfortunate souls' files
1753239;1513566005;mircea_popescu;and he deemed it a major securtity risk. which it was. as events proved.
1753240;1513566023;asciilifeform;i'm still surprised it wasn't handled su-style -- i.e. by not marking to begin with
1753241;1513566028;mircea_popescu;now, one of the substandard ones actually SUED. because she deemed that the release of "her private data" as to how bad she sucked is such an important matter, it precludes the public interest.
1753242;1513566035;asciilifeform;'this comes back to unit commander until all marks green'
1753243;1513566063;mircea_popescu;the courts rebuffed her ; then. the upper court even had to tell her that "calling the first women trying to do this public figure does not constitute a statement of some kind of negative judgement". because yes, she was intimating this.
1753244;1513566068;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read
1753245;1513566113;mircea_popescu;now consider two different problems. one of them is, the damned hardware involved. the piece of shit airplane they flew (f14) is SO BADLY DESIGNED its nose moving left/right can disrupt airflow into compressor intake ACTUALLY STALLING an engine.
1753246;1513566132;shinohai;oglaf, ever relevant http://oglaf.com/old-st-nick/
1753247;1513566147;mircea_popescu;and THEN! with stalled engines, the force vector can actually outrule the damned rudder! you lose the plane for turning! and they flew this, and somehow won a war with the fucking clothes iron.
1753248;1513566167;asciilifeform;this is typical in american machines, they all come with a 'it hurts -- dun do that' , e.g. phantom's irrecoverable spin
1753249;1513566172;mircea_popescu;but this finnicky nonsense aside, point two : these women, not just the dead one ; not just the suing one ; ALL of them, constantly and without fucking respite came in too high and too fast.
1753250;1513566178;mircea_popescu;MUCH too high. much too fast. ALL THE TIME.
1753251;1513566183;mircea_popescu;and the trainers kept telling them and they ignored.
1753252;1513566196;mircea_popescu;to the point they ~actually scareds~ the fucking technical crew on multiple occasions.
1753253;1513566233;mircea_popescu;understand what the crew here is : they're people who pour gasoline out of a large hose straight in the nose of a running jet engine, open air like that. hot refuelling it's called. they're people who get sucked into the damned things doing it, not and again.
1753254;1513566251;mircea_popescu;these guys wouldn't be easily scared. but the girls weren't... easily deterred. you see ?
1753255;1513566273;mircea_popescu;"i ate a lot of shit to come this far" is a fundamental problem. they CAN NOT go slower, and lower. and they CAN NOT hear anyone telling them to. you understrand why ?
1753256;1513566298;asciilifeform;napoleon's syndrome?
1753257;1513566302;mircea_popescu;it's an identity issue. the sort of girl that gets all gung ho about "being first girl to" is going to a) be trying too hard and b) be not listening too well.
1753258;1513566319;mircea_popescu;now then! finally done with that!
1753259;1513566399;mircea_popescu;so... one funeral at a time. yeah. this'd be why. performance can't be a fucking substitute for identity.
1753260;1513566404;mircea_popescu;and now let's read teh backlog lol.
1753261;1513566474;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753228 << "how did you become a great physicist ?" "well... first i became a moderately-great physicist, and then an above-moderately-great physicist, and then..."
1753262;1513566474;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 02:55 asciilifeform: hey bureaucrat sees ~everythign~ as usg org chart, climbable, naturally has steps! itmust!!
1753263;1513566515;asciilifeform;!#s from:mircea_popescu samovar
1753264;1513566515;a111;13 results for "from:mircea_popescu samovar", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea_popescu%20samovar
1753265;1513566519;asciilifeform;^ see also
1753266;1513566528;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753236 << he's dearly beloved here, at that. pity he quit.
1753267;1513566528;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 02:58 esthlos: this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again
1753268;1513566581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall that story about the dumbest gilr in my hs that ended up a math assistant prof ?
1753269;1513566585;asciilifeform;aha!
1753270;1513566592;mircea_popescu;this is the catastrophe of ideology, it misplaces people into harms way.
1753271;1513566621;asciilifeform;therw was a similar piece by mircea_popescu re some d00d who tried to lie his way into 'manager' work
1753272;1513566642;mircea_popescu;ah right! lol.
1753273;1513566665;mircea_popescu;see, cuz goat imagines everyone's a goat, and what, ro is a small enough country that x and y would know each other
1753274;1513566669;asciilifeform;it's a recurring thread , 'so you fooled'em into thinking yer a doctor, now they bring you a bleeding wreck , naowat'
1753275;1513566680;mircea_popescu;"i don't know any people in power, why would the guy hiring me"
1753276;1513566768;asciilifeform;there is occasional competent guild impostor , e.g. the fella who was jailed after decade of flying commercial jets with forged license , name presently escapesme
1753277;1513566780;asciilifeform;but ~nobody will ever meet these.
1753278;1513566792;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753244 << https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/12/13/court-rejects-suit-woman-who-was-navy-pilot/ pravda even has notice on it.
1753279;1513566792;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 03:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this suit on file somewhere ? i'd luvv to read
1753280;1513566809;asciilifeform;eggog !!
1753281;1513566840;asciilifeform;nobody archived it, either
1753282;1513566856;asciilifeform;afaik , it's gone.
1753283;1513566885;mircea_popescu;lessee.
1753284;1513566889;mircea_popescu;http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-dc-circuit/1061879.html << here you go.
1753285;1513566898;mircea_popescu;also, paralegals, man. worth every penny.
1753286;1513566900;asciilifeform;oh hey neato.
1753287;1513567097;mircea_popescu;so, to sum up : this all goes back straight exactly to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268
1753288;1513567097;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
1753289;1513567130;mircea_popescu;except in the formulation here, there is no possibility of performance outside of a structure of identity, and the identity can not be predicated on the performance.
1753290;1513567149;phf;further unrelated to conversation lulz. package formula references fribidi (implementation of fucking bidirectional unicode). the url for it with the site and everything is dead, but there's a shithub page. formula references fribidi-0.19.7.tar.bz2, github has 0.19.7.tar.gz. ~these are apparently different beast, because using later fails the build, while tracking a copy of the first one succeeds~. this is beyond insanity.
1753291;1513567154;mircea_popescu;this is the whole story, both as to why "physics died" and as to why and wherefore etc.
1753292;1513567159;asciilifeform;phf: i gotta ask : 'why'
1753293;1513567168;asciilifeform;phf: why are you doing it
1753294;1513567191;phf;asciilifeform: i want to watch movies! i figured i can do better than a close source vlc package, apparently not
1753295;1513567193;mircea_popescu;he;s preparing self for the new vtrons
1753296;1513567201;asciilifeform;lol
1753297;1513567215;mircea_popescu;phf i use vlc. i prefer to sacrifice a box to it than waste anyone's time thus.
1753298;1513567270;phf;but also mircea_popescu's assessment is correct, i'm tampering myself before i face the insides of difftools
1753299;1513567288;asciilifeform;i have even sadder item , re subj , dedicated chinese pogolike thing for watching film on. it dun even go on the lan. just eats usb drives.
1753300;1513567309;mircea_popescu;"why are you biting out of a turd ?" "fortifying self for trench time, i hear sometimes people there have to drink piss"
1753301;1513567327;asciilifeform;тяжело в учении -- легко в бою (tm)(r)
1753302;1513567368;phf;maresyev flight school
1753303;1513567410;mircea_popescu;shall i also ask what movies you want to watch ?
1753304;1513567470;asciilifeform;matrosov gunnery school !1111
1753305;1513567691;ben_vulpes;phf: nah not particularly interesting to me, i got out of that gox early q2 this year, but sfyl
1753306;1513567718;asciilifeform;no moar crapple in castle ben_vulpestein ?!
1753307;1513567742;shinohai;I use https://mpv.io/now, has API so u can stream from pogo ala asciilifeform
1753308;1513567755;asciilifeform;stream?!
1753309;1513567796;asciilifeform;and that looks like a fork of ye olde mplayer
1753310;1513567809;asciilifeform;i dun have any quarrel with the original
1753311;1513567818;shinohai;fork of mplayer2, ja
1753312;1513567860;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: macware abounds, none of it is being used for anything other than entertainment anymore
1753313;1513567861;asciilifeform;i like mplayer . 0 idjit windowisms, 'decorations' etc
1753314;1513567865;mircea_popescu;wtf does movie player need unicode for, left as question for wiser men
1753315;1513567872;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: subtitles
1753316;1513567879;ben_vulpes;well and being a pissoir for the webatlarge
1753317;1513567884;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of my poliglotism.
1753318;1513567906;asciilifeform;who said human lang subtitles
1753319;1513567911;asciilifeform;never watch martian films ?
1753320;1513567918;mircea_popescu;lol. can't say as i ever had.
1753321;1513567918;asciilifeform;jp etc
1753322;1513567921;mircea_popescu;nope.
1753323;1513567932;asciilifeform;then build sans orccode yea
1753324;1513567950;mircea_popescu;i dobn't get it, you READ the orc langs but don't hear them ?
1753325;1513567961;asciilifeform;for students of e.g. jp
1753326;1513567970;mircea_popescu;this is getting pretty tenuous.
1753327;1513567971;asciilifeform;they like to have both tracks running, iirc
1753328;1513567979;mircea_popescu;why can't students of jp import one of them young hussies
1753329;1513567989;asciilifeform;on dirigible.
1753330;1513567995;*;mircea_popescu saw this at airport today, guy with a placard, "mr wong & miss ho"
1753331;1513568005;mircea_popescu;tho ho possibly korean
1753332;1513568021;asciilifeform;land of 'long dong' rocket etc lol
1753333;1513568027;mircea_popescu;aha
1753334;1513568170;mats;i never heard of a kr with the name wong
1753335;1513568235;mircea_popescu;her not him
1753336;1513568240;mircea_popescu;he, pretty sure cn
1753337;1513568278;mats;ah
1753338;1513568687;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752403 << possibly because of the potbellied bourgeois caricatures, anglo version is called exactly that "pot belly stove".
1753339;1513568687;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say )
1753340;1513568710;asciilifeform;phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752403 << thread
1753341;1513568710;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 02:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: phunphakt, franklin's stove is even today in ru known as a буржуйка ( why? dunno, because from usa ? hard to say )
1753342;1513568714;asciilifeform;oh hah nm
1753343;1513568719;mircea_popescu;lol
1753344;1513568750;*;asciilifeform LL(1) parser!11
1753345;1513568909;mircea_popescu;that;s a new one
1753346;1513568934;phf;well, also misparsing, because i didn't make it clear that franklin stove is not a буржуйка, there's a simpler u.s. item that corresponds though (can be found in e.g. faulkner)
1753347;1513568941;asciilifeform;oh hm
1753348;1513569162;mircea_popescu;did we ever do http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=1 btw ?
1753349;1513569170;asciilifeform;pretty sure we did
1753350;1513569204;mircea_popescu;!#s "drdobbs"
1753351;1513569204;a111;6 results for "\"drdobbs\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22drdobbs%22
1753352;1513569221;mircea_popescu;tis not there.
1753353;1513569372;phf;mircea_popescu: is that by way of esthlos's squeak/croquet links?
1753354;1513569378;asciilifeform;aaah nm it was linked from asciilifeform's www
1753355;1513569386;asciilifeform;but loox like was never formally eaten here.
1753356;1513569437;mircea_popescu;the kay interview ? it's from this large pile of "items of interest" i go through when in the mood.
1753357;1513569462;*;phf nods
1753358;1513569511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform idiot site does "pages" as iof that's fuycking permissible ; so now we'll end up with an archived first quarter.
1753359;1513569526;mircea_popescu;the ways in which webtards manage to break computers are innumerable.
1753360;1513569535;asciilifeform;let's fix...
1753361;1513569537;asciilifeform;http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=1
1753362;1513569538;asciilifeform;http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=2
1753363;1513569539;asciilifeform;http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=3
1753364;1513569541;asciilifeform;http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-with-alan-kay/240003442?pgno=4
1753365;1513569554;mircea_popescu;"i know, let me put this resource in four fucking places because that's why it's called ununiform resource locator"
1753366;1513569578;asciilifeform;they broke deliberately, to push ad crapola
1753367;1513569583;phf;the easiest way to fix is of course to link to "print" version, which on sites of certain vintage is usually a single page
1753368;1513569584;phf;http://www.drdobbs.com/article/print?articleId=240003442&siteSectionName=architecture-and-design
1753369;1513569599;mircea_popescu;phf yes ; and this fix is further breaking
1753370;1513569607;mircea_popescu;now it's ununiform rl in a DIFFERENT WAY
1753371;1513569615;asciilifeform;^
1753372;1513569630;mircea_popescu;amusingly, kay actually SAY\S THIS in the very piece
1753373;1513569650;mircea_popescu;"The marketing people are not there to teach people, so probably one of the most disastrous interactions with computing was the fact that you could make money selling simulations of old, familiar media, and these apps just swamped most of the ideas of Doug Engelbart, for example. The Web browser, for many, many years, and still, even though it's running on a computer that can do X, Y, and Z, it's now up to about X and 1/2 of
1753374;1513569650;mircea_popescu;Y."
1753375;1513569658;phf;hey i also just wanted to watch my movies
1753376;1513569886;mircea_popescu;in other news, this interview is terrible.
1753377;1513569997;mircea_popescu;but in other heresies, http://notes.esthlos.com/files/2017-11-16-lisp-enlightenment.txt
1753378;1513570095;asciilifeform;this is the kind of pseudo-pithy item that folx cough up the day they first encounter a lisp , and then walk around ashamed of for years
1753379;1513570108;mircea_popescu;i thought it was cute.
1753380;1513570176;mircea_popescu;there is no more fundamental human property than the need to belong ; and since illusions are by their nature sweet, there's no more endearingly common characteristic than misconstrued partisanship.
1753381;1513570357;mircea_popescu;but alf might appreciate http://notes.esthlos.com/files/2017-12-11-all-programming-is-intelligence-programming.txt
1753382;1513570669;mircea_popescu;amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things :
1753383;1513570720;mircea_popescu;"understanding" of the "truely" or any other variety, in the "human" sense is simply second order prediction. we would readily identify a computer as "hard ai" or "truly" comprehending what's going on if it a) deployed heuristics and then b) made reasonable (which does not mean correct) predictions about their likelihood of success.
1753384;1513570744;mircea_popescu;which is why towlie of "i have no idea what's going on" southpark fame is very much interpreted as human-like.
1753385;1513570763;asciilifeform;vitalists escape from field to field like roaches in nyc flats
1753386;1513570794;asciilifeform;searle could've been , say, chemist, but wohler happened
1753387;1513570794;mircea_popescu;note that the true problem here isn't that "computers don't understand context" or whatever othjer bl;a bla. people very provably do not either.
1753388;1513570822;mircea_popescu;so the whole "understanding" bullshit is a case of utterly misdefined goals.
1753389;1513570848;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#922030 << thread
1753390;1513570848;a111;Logged on 2014-11-14 21:02 asciilifeform: http://home.engineering.iastate.edu/~alexs/classes/2011_Spring_585X/readings/02_Principles/AI_Meets_Natural_Stupidity.pdf
1753391;1513570865;mircea_popescu;"identity as genus" occurs not when op says something extremely shockingly intelligent or w/e, but when you say "do you understand what you jsut said ?!" and they retort "not really".
1753392;1513570872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha
1753393;1513577506;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752837 <<< ye olde "you got lucky"
1753394;1513577506;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 00:33 indiancandy1: u didnt predict this
1753395;1513580733;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/p526V << certain elements of the pravda are funny; the classic socialistoid "assuming the sale" in "The truth has been rendered here irrelevant" in regards to the /defamation case/, also the hilarious verdict of ~"you'd have to be /uniquely stupid/ to not understand that you're a public figure by virtue of just fucking look at yourself"
1753396;1513582433;mircea_popescu;heh
1753397;1513582527;ben_vulpes;and now for something completely different: http://archive.is/IEa6u "I have always been fascinated, and a little troubled, by the concept of paper money, or fiat currency. If I think about it too long it makes my head hurt and I have an urge to sell all of my tech stocks and buy gold."
1753398;1513582740;ben_vulpes;gods bless, his webpage loads in half a second
1753399;1513582742;mircea_popescu;selling "tech" stocks ie, worthless web-venture paper is a good move in any case.
1753400;1513582796;ben_vulpes;i thought it was cute!
1753401;1513583917;mircea_popescu;lol
1753402;1513602296;BingoBoingo; afaik pediwikism dun count as 'publication' << Eh, but the so called deans prolly count pediwiki links as citations in their minds if not on paper
1753403;1513602728;BingoBoingo; they like to have both tracks running, iirc << AHA, this and rock music appears to be what shaped most of the younger local's english language ability. Ingles subtitulo Espanol, Not a very functional thing, thankfully only a flash of stink eye pushes them pack into spanish practice mode.
1753404;1513603245;BingoBoingo; amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things : << AHA the poor hostel staff
1753405;1513603245;BingoBoingo;watching the gringo's language learning in real time.
1753406;1513603356;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1753407;1513603361;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 18910.01, vol: 14251.02644525 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 18736.0, vol: 61903.85854873 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 18909.0, vol: 3672.105393 | Volume-weighted last average: 18775.0230839
1753408;1513603383;BingoBoingo;Gracias por sus Crashing!
1753409;1513603518;shinohai;DIOS MIO CRASHING!!!!!
1753410;1513603550;BingoBoingo;Senor dios, mas crashing por favor.
1753411;1513604043;*;BingoBoingo baking a blog post, he caminado mucho este Domingo pasado
1753412;1513606146;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/18/a-second-sunday-for-the-midwestern-rube/ << Bingo Blog - A Second Sunday For the Midwestern Rube
1753413;1513606237;BingoBoingo;^ Bonus observation: The drive to grow my own tomatoes, not as strong here. Pretty delicious tomatoes rather available.
1753414;1513607334;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1753415;1513607335;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 499975 | Current Difficulty: 1.873105475221E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 501983 | Next Difficulty In: 2008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1753416;1513611976;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how come you're still in hotels anyway ?
1753417;1513611992;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not hotels, the hostel.
1753418;1513612001;BingoBoingo;share bedroom with 8 persons
1753419;1513612013;BingoBoingo;*7 persons, I am the 8th
1753420;1513612032;mircea_popescu;why not rent ?
1753421;1513612125;BingoBoingo;Language exposure, plan is renting an apartment in February when vacation season is a least winding down.
1753422;1513612175;mircea_popescu;what's the current arrangement cost you per month ?
1753423;1513612226;BingoBoingo;~550 USD, studio apartment rents here are roughly ~600 USD monthly
1753424;1513612304;BingoBoingo;Arrangement comes with bed, locker, common areas occupied by rotating cast of new people
1753425;1513612315;mircea_popescu;ah, makes sense.
1753426;1513612329;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup*
1753427;1513612337;BingoBoingo;Also buys time for meeting roommate capable persons
1753428;1513612362;mircea_popescu;yea
1753429;1513612467;BingoBoingo;Renting an apartment now would mean either gambling on roomates for the long haul or undertaking an exercise which introduces wasted hours of solitude not exposed to languages
1753430;1513612487;mircea_popescu;i agreed like five lines above!
1753431;1513612525;BingoBoingo;Yeah, but reiterating the problem for log readers. The hotel/hostel confusion seems to be a persistent one in conversations.
1753432;1513612535;BingoBoingo;Especially with the locals
1753433;1513612663;BingoBoingo;Anyways, if this were a hotel and I were paying hotel prices... the minor for hostel structural and chinche issues would not be so easily dismissed, and there would be wrath
1753434;1513612762;BingoBoingo;Anyways, now that business is baking I'll be touring the datacenter tomorrow.
1753435;1513612980;BingoBoingo;Next Friday one of the other enterprises is throwing a "Welcome to Uruguay" welcome asado for the gringo, which I should be much more awake for than the end of the year celebration asado they threw at the cowork which coincided with the day of my arrival.
1753436;1513613116;mircea_popescu;nice.
1753437;1513613158;BingoBoingo;The locals are a very welcoming people.
1753438;1513613218;mircea_popescu;samba si...
1753439;1513613257;BingoBoingo;Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
1753440;1513613273;mircea_popescu;ya twas not bad.
1753441;1513613956;mircea_popescu;aaand in today's ancient trilemas, http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-life-moves-on/
1753442;1513613990;mircea_popescu;esthlos you know how to self-voice, right ?
1753443;1513614292;BingoBoingo;Ah, that great announcement where the leverage had moved
1753444;1513614360;mircea_popescu;looking retrospectively, i suspect the great lure of "tech" such that "boys turn to tech, girls turn to poundcake" is in fact that if well done, tech seems to be the closest thing one has to fountain of eternal youth.
1753445;1513614396;mircea_popescu;through the following mechanism : "Has it only been four years ?!?!?!?" asks the boy. "I think I aged less than that's worth", ie, "good use of my time", ie... a derivative sort of youth elixir.
1753446;1513614494;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am hard pressed to think of any kind of tradesman ( outside of, i suppose, walmart gulag ) who has ~less~ to show for his years, than the typical tech d00d
1753447;1513614501;mircea_popescu;used to be money, back when "thus britons for lucre fly over the main". but these days... "Women have never had money, continue to have no money, and never will have any money. The only reason women can “own” property in this day and age is because you can’t “own” property in this day and age."
1753448;1513614512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tech ~well done~.
1753449;1513614517;mircea_popescu;it's an aspiration not an avocation.
1753450;1513614536;mircea_popescu;which is why "surprised by wealth" exists as a concept. ers wasn't being creative, he was being... you know, manly. filling a pre-existing hole.
1753451;1513614624;BingoBoingo;Ah, most d00ds aspiring to tech end up in alt walmart baggery
1753452;1513614626;asciilifeform;esr. ( for fyootoor log searchers pulling their hair out )
1753453;1513614642;mircea_popescu;a sorry.
1753454;1513614803;mircea_popescu;trinque can you run  on a dataset composed of log link references / nick references ?
1753455;1513614846;mircea_popescu;or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ?
1753456;1513615488;mircea_popescu;!!up sofiababy
1753457;1513615488;deedbot;sofiababy voiced for 30 minutes.
1753458;1513615503;mircea_popescu;this log needs lengthening!
1753459;1513615509;sofiababy;damn i thought evryone would be sleeping
1753460;1513615515;mircea_popescu;do your thing sofiababy
1753461;1513615543;sofiababy;im fixing the entry
1753462;1513615548;sofiababy;i hate beging for voice
1753463;1513615566;sofiababy;i want to be in with the cool kids
1753464;1513615572;mircea_popescu;but...why ?
1753465;1513615594;sofiababy;why not
1753466;1513615600;mircea_popescu;that's a point.
1753467;1513615602;sofiababy;i like it here
1753468;1513615609;sofiababy;and you welcome me with open arms so
1753469;1513615740;mircea_popescu;"Eventually if you keep buying you either run out of money or run out of looking like a sucker." ahaha.
1753470;1513615744;mircea_popescu;god i love reading the old shit.
1753471;1513615771;mircea_popescu;!~ticker market --all
1753472;1513615771;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
1753473;1513615785;mircea_popescu;gah
1753474;1513615814;mircea_popescu;!~calc  (18775.0230839/15)**(1/6)
1753475;1513615815;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (18775.0230839/15)**(1/6) = 3.282828562886639
1753476;1513615819;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1753477;1513615824;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 18670.99, vol: 15013.73187916 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 18501.0, vol: 63074.68145741 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 18675.0, vol: 3774.33123335 | Volume-weighted last average: 18540.198758
1753478;1513615844;mircea_popescu;that's a thousand dollars with an annualized growth rate of 328% eh. NOT BAD
1753479;1513615857;mircea_popescu;talk about "running out of looking like a sucker".
1753480;1513616169;BingoBoingo;Lol, poor gangsta roll. A victim of "When?"
1753481;1513616322;BingoBoingo;Still sweeter is watching the crashing. So much crashing.
1753482;1513617279;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753005 << speaking of rums, apparently india actually makes some pretty decent ones
1753483;1513617279;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 01:52 cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now)
1753484;1513617295;mircea_popescu;hung out with restaurant owner guy, got a sampler. old monk seemed best
1753485;1513617392;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753038 <<->> "Men, on the other hand, attach penalties to marriage, depriving women of property, of the franchise, of the free use of their limbs, of that ancient symbol of immortality, the right to make oneself at home in the house of God by taking off the hat, of everything that he can force Woman to dispense with without compelling himself to dispense with her. All in vain. Woman must mar
1753486;1513617392;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 02:01 cazalla: sofiababy, no, stopped watching twitch after it was inundated with gamer girl camwhores, but i read they do well sparking up league of legends, chatting to virgins and getting them to donate to their patreon
1753487;1513617392;mircea_popescu;ry because the race must perish without her travail: if the risk of death and the certainty of pain, danger, and unutterable discomforts cannot deter her, slavery and swaddled ankles will not. And yet we assume that the force that carries women through all these perils and hardships, stops abashed before the primnesses of our behavior for young ladies."
1753488;1513617495;mircea_popescu;let it be stated that the deep root of the whole "prostitution is unfeminist" current stems from about the same place as "it's in poor taste to sell them lost in the desert water at extortionate prices".
1753489;1513617591;mircea_popescu;which is why the whole "men will do anything to get some" social fiction, with it's attendant "surprises" of the thoroughly fabricated sort, "i can't believe far far away somewhere in like japan they don't". gotta mask the bitter truth that ~woman~ will do anything to get some. literal anything.
1753490;1513617611;BingoBoingo;Aha
1753491;1513617628;BingoBoingo;!!up sofiababy
1753492;1513617628;deedbot;sofiababy voiced for 30 minutes.
1753493;1513617639;sofiababy;im streaming and reading this
1753494;1513617646;sofiababy;i saw something about prostittion
1753495;1513617648;mircea_popescu;lol are you becoming a republican ho ?
1753496;1513617659;sofiababy;dude evry one is a prostitute to some degree
1753497;1513617665;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1753498;1513617666;sofiababy;evry one is selling time one way or another
1753499;1513617674;sofiababy;i think i am actually
1753500;1513617677;sofiababy;lol is that weird
1753501;1513617682;mircea_popescu;sofiababy hey, do you have voice on your cam thing or just video ? can you talk to the virgins ?
1753502;1513617699;sofiababy;both
1753503;1513617717;sofiababy;nothing wrong with being pure
1753504;1513617729;mircea_popescu;o hey, so here's a deal, read out the log to them. i'll pay you say a bitcent for an hour.
1753505;1513617767;mircea_popescu;start say 10 minutes ago.
1753506;1513617785;mircea_popescu;and drop your link so people can check it out lol.
1753507;1513617812;mircea_popescu;give that lh0 or what was it a run for its money lol.
1753508;1513617829;sofiababy;okay
1753509;1513617830;sofiababy;lets do it
1753510;1513617847;sofiababy;what do i read?
1753511;1513617859;sofiababy;cant say anything racist
1753512;1513617874;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753439 << start there and read down.
1753513;1513617874;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 16:07 BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
1753514;1513617939;mircea_popescu;sofiababy link to your camshow, what is it ?
1753515;1513617954;sofiababy;www.myfreecams.com/#sexyxshanti
1753516;1513617956;sofiababy;does it work
1753517;1513617995;mircea_popescu;o hey, it does actually.
1753518;1513618015;sofiababy;hi mp
1753519;1513618017;sofiababy;im wavin at u
1753520;1513618025;mircea_popescu;hm, must be a recorded thing.
1753521;1513618099;sofiababy;there is a delay
1753522;1513618108;sofiababy;there servers aint that good
1753523;1513618113;sofiababy;its nnot fox news
1753524;1513618132;mircea_popescu;ah
1753525;1513618143;mircea_popescu;alright, so go for it.
1753526;1513618219;sofiababy;what am i doing
1753527;1513618225;sofiababy;director MP
1753528;1513618226;sofiababy;lol
1753529;1513618305;mircea_popescu;go to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753439 which is a webpage like any other webpage and start reading down from there.
1753530;1513618305;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 16:07 BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
1753531;1513618381;sofiababy;ahaha ppl are gona think
1753532;1513618383;sofiababy;im on drsg
1753533;1513618384;sofiababy;drugs
1753534;1513618386;sofiababy;loooooool
1753535;1513618399;mircea_popescu;who knows. maybe they think you're the only smart camho on mfc.
1753536;1513618404;mircea_popescu;or else yeah, drugs.
1753537;1513618418;sofiababy;this guys r stooopid
1753538;1513618423;sofiababy;they wil think im on drugs
1753539;1513618438;ben_vulpes;who cares what they think?
1753540;1513618466;sofiababy;i read the conversatio
1753541;1513618470;sofiababy;i cant do the spanish
1753542;1513618472;mircea_popescu;especially if they're dumb.
1753543;1513618473;sofiababy;i duno how to pronouse
1753544;1513618477;sofiababy;pronounc
1753545;1513618489;mircea_popescu;sofiababy do your best. you also don't know how to fuck, but you do your best and it works out.
1753546;1513618516;sofiababy;im not sexual
1753547;1513618518;sofiababy;im a nerd
1753548;1513618520;sofiababy;deep down
1753549;1513618522;sofiababy;just like them
1753550;1513618523;mircea_popescu;right.
1753551;1513618540;mircea_popescu;everyone's a nerd deep down. way the fuck easier than being a miner deep down.
1753552;1513618552;mircea_popescu;also, better healthy and wealthy than sick and poor.
1753553;1513618643;sofiababy;omg
1753554;1513618645;sofiababy;really?
1753555;1513618655;sofiababy;im a woman
1753556;1513618659;sofiababy;i cant read this
1753557;1513618662;sofiababy;ur mean
1753558;1513618683;mircea_popescu;the quote is actually from bernard shaw.
1753559;1513618687;asciilifeform;i r disappoint, i thought this was a jaguar , that mircea_popescu taught to use a keyboard
1753560;1513618700;diana_coman;that meanie bernard shaw...
1753561;1513618708;mircea_popescu;who, other than being a major fascist supporter, was also a guy reputedly so smart, some woman wrote to him to propose having babies on the theory she's so pretty.
1753562;1513618715;sofiababy;seriosly europes most powerfu leader
1753563;1513618717;sofiababy;is a woman
1753564;1513618723;diana_coman;power-fu indeed
1753565;1513618730;mircea_popescu;who, laura antonelli ?
1753566;1513618735;sofiababy;mama merkel
1753567;1513618746;mircea_popescu;menopausal items are eminently not women
1753568;1513618749;mircea_popescu;merkel is an ex-woman.
1753569;1513618768;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and your proof to the contrary being... ?
1753570;1513618789;sofiababy;ex woman or not
1753571;1513618792;sofiababy;shes stil a woman
1753572;1513618798;sofiababy;one hell of a woman
1753573;1513618802;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nuffin but the critter's own word!11
1753574;1513618810;sofiababy; bought her biography
1753575;1513618813;sofiababy;i havent read it yet
1753576;1513618820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dun believe everything you read! sofiababy how do you reason ?
1753577;1513618822;asciilifeform;i'ma bbl.
1753578;1513618888;mircea_popescu;anyway, anyone actually can be bothered to check teh cam ? is she actyually logreading ?
1753579;1513618897;sofiababy;i did
1753580;1513618898;sofiababy;and i stopped
1753581;1513618900;sofiababy;when i read
1753582;1513618907;sofiababy;women wil never own property
1753583;1513618917;sofiababy;and no1 on mfc acknowledgges anything unless its tits
1753584;1513618920;mircea_popescu;oh! that's now shaw, that's... what was his name ?
1753585;1513618922;mircea_popescu;dick masterson
1753586;1513618925;sofiababy;these guys are different
1753587;1513618928;sofiababy;like honestly
1753588;1513618937;sofiababy;i didnt know such humans existed
1753589;1513618951;sofiababy;apathetic horny fuckers
1753590;1513618964;ben_vulpes;no reading is happening
1753591;1513618971;ben_vulpes;for five seconds, an interesting thing happened on mfc
1753592;1513618975;mircea_popescu;heh
1753593;1513619013;sofiababy;leo should be proud
1753594;1513619014;mircea_popescu;let us reiterate that ancient http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
1753595;1513619034;mircea_popescu;nothing interesting can happen on mfc because mfc is composed of a) the people there who b) operate under the delusion they may make choices.
1753596;1513619035;ben_vulpes;dude a bitcent an hour
1753597;1513619043;mircea_popescu;the result is a matter of necessity in those circumstances.
1753598;1513619046;ben_vulpes;sofiababy: what the hell is wrong with you
1753599;1513619061;sofiababy;i know
1753600;1513619064;sofiababy;but
1753601;1513619072;sofiababy;no buuts actually
1753602;1513619072;sofiababy;lol
1753603;1513619075;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1753604;1513619076;sofiababy;i can continue
1753605;1513619082;sofiababy;i just got hurt
1753606;1513619088;sofiababy;with that quote
1753607;1513619090;sofiababy;sorry
1753608;1513619102;mircea_popescu;move into the pain not away from it. pain is good for you.
1753609;1513619113;mircea_popescu;or as the orthodox tradition says, "durerea-i ziditoare"
1753610;1513619142;sofiababy;are you orthodox
1753611;1513619150;mircea_popescu;no, i'm just cultivated.
1753612;1513619152;sofiababy;is the romanian calender same as greek
1753613;1513619157;mircea_popescu;~approx, yea.
1753614;1513619170;sofiababy;so easter isnt the same
1753615;1513619178;sofiababy;its a month latter i think
1753616;1513619200;ben_vulpes;dude this is epic, girl would rather talk about calendar offsets than earn a bitcent an hour reading the log
1753617;1513619212;mircea_popescu;2018 ro easter will be on april 8th
1753618;1513619236;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is why artificial intelligence will never be able to compete with the genuine article.
1753619;1513619248;sofiababy;i didnt refuse
1753620;1513619251;sofiababy;fyi
1753621;1513619258;trinque;girl will faff about trying to make sure they see all sides of her until someone grabs hold.
1753622;1513619265;mircea_popescu;^
1753623;1513619270;sofiababy;lol
1753624;1513619288;mircea_popescu;faff. i didn't even know that was a word.
1753625;1513619315;trinque;texanism with either a little girl or queer connotation
1753626;1513619333;mircea_popescu;apparently brits also have it.
1753627;1513619346;trinque;hm neat
1753628;1513619346;sofiababy;faff means
1753629;1513619355;sofiababy;well over  here like people use it in context like
1753630;1513619357;sofiababy;faff about
1753631;1513619362;sofiababy;faffin about
1753632;1513619365;mircea_popescu;it's what he said lol.
1753633;1513619367;ben_vulpes;doing anything but that which needs doing.
1753634;1513619369;sofiababy;like taking time to do something
1753635;1513619373;sofiababy;yea
1753636;1513619375;sofiababy;there
1753637;1513619386;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you don't understand how self-determination works!!1
1753638;1513619419;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: oh i understand this, i also understand how fist fits in cunt doesn't mean i'm not entertained from time to time with the concrete item
1753639;1513619431;mircea_popescu;lol
1753640;1513619455;ben_vulpes;holy fuckadoodle, imagine getting paid a bitcent an hour to do your six months
1753641;1513619458;ben_vulpes;what a fuckin thing.
1753642;1513619484;ben_vulpes;she would literally rather dance for tips
1753643;1513619497;mircea_popescu;and as bonus lulz, we'll never know whether i would have actually paid the whole length or not.
1753644;1513619517;mircea_popescu;this is the true meaning of being wealthy, when your wealth stays wealthy for longer than the world stays active. they run out of puff afore you run out of dosh
1753645;1513619602;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, i myself wasn't making a current bitcent an hour until sometime after 2010. ie, quite recently.
1753646;1513621013;shinohai;Tenth of a bitcent per hour fine with me per hour
1753647;1513621015;shinohai;lol
1753648;1513621418;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753256 << no. the naive bare life (bios as opposed to zoon, see http://trilema.com/2014/it-all-depends-on-what-power-means/#selection-109.0-106.2 ) approach is that sunken costs matter. this feeds right into shaw above. whereas any gambler worth two shits knows you... fold when you know it can't win, not when you judge you can afford to lose "your" share of the pot.
1753649;1513621418;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 03:04 asciilifeform: napoleon's syndrome?
1753650;1513623443;BingoBoingo; i duno how to pronouse << It's purely phonetic, Except when it's not.
1753651;1513624298;BingoBoingo; Tenth of a bitcent per hour fine with me per hour << Perhaps the baroness can?
1753652;1513624678;BingoBoingo;Y ahora tengo una otra cita por manana en la noche
1753653;1513625601;asciilifeform;!#s negative block reward
1753654;1513625601;a111;0 results for "negative block reward", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=negative%20block%20reward
1753655;1513625610;asciilifeform;hmm, could've sworn we had a thread...
1753656;1513625706;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753455 << hm?
1753657;1513625706;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 16:34 mircea_popescu: or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ?
1753658;1513629402;phf;!!key PeterL
1753659;1513629403;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/F595258CD9F1FDBDEFAE5093B4E2E0DCACB63D25.asc
1753660;1513629552;phf;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch3_shifts in press order you can see all the mentioned sigs included
1753661;1513629564;asciilifeform;neato, ty phf !
1753662;1513630709;mircea_popescu;phf you know, that pretty graphing item
1753663;1513631687;ben_vulpes;https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/18/report-obama-protected-hezbollah-drug-ring-to-avoi/
1753664;1513633977;mircea_popescu;in other news : the mpi m-r implementation has a fixed witness at 2.
1753665;1513634006;diana_coman;gnupg m-r implementation rather
1753666;1513634011;mircea_popescu;right.
1753667;1513634020;mircea_popescu;anyone with a good reason why magic number should stay ?
1753668;1513634188;mircea_popescu;seems a gratuitous (but not readily computable) degradation of the 4^-k outer bound.
1753669;1513635035;*;mircea_popescu waves at esthlos 
1753670;1513635064;*;esthlos waves back
1753671;1513635202;mircea_popescu;!~calc 4^-12
1753672;1513635205;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 4^-12 = 5.9604644775390625E-8
1753673;1513635208;mircea_popescu;!~calc 4^-16
1753674;1513635209;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 4^-16 = 2.3283064365386963E-10
1753675;1513635330;mircea_popescu;diana_coman should prolly add a comment in there pointing out to people who are making keys for serious use that 1e-10 is really not nearly good enough.
1753676;1513635354;mircea_popescu;or rather 4.6e-10 as the case may be, since you need two.
1753677;1513635375;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I think this might be worth made into a knob in the code explicitly
1753678;1513635381;mircea_popescu;this is so.
1753679;1513635439;mircea_popescu;and yes i'm aware damgard extensions and whatnot, but not impressed.
1753680;1513635613;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone wanna implement agrawal-kayal-saxena ? esthlos ? apeloyee ?
1753681;1513635802;mircea_popescu;some crandall fellow supposedly "implemented" it, but apparently out of unpublishable sticks of gum arabic.
1753682;1513635854;esthlos;mircea_popescu: if I can. what is it?
1753683;1513635890;mircea_popescu;you know, three indian kids got a godel prize a decade ago for the first ever primality test that's deterministic, polynomial and unconditional
1753684;1513635891;mircea_popescu;AND general.
1753685;1513635938;mircea_popescu;given n > 2 and a coprime to n, n is prime only if (x+a)^n mod-congruent x^n+a (mod n)
1753686;1513635938;esthlos;well what do you know, richard crandall
1753687;1513635947;esthlos;i was acquainted with him
1753688;1513635955;mircea_popescu;actually, lenstra supposedly made it actually run. initially it was very high order polynomial.
1753689;1513635970;mircea_popescu;but nobody actually publishes anything anymore.
1753690;1513636041;mircea_popescu;actually it's possible bernstein had a variant too.
1753691;1513636047;mircea_popescu;come to think of it.
1753692;1513636050;diana_coman;esthlos, "primes is in p" is the original paper describing aks; by agrawal, kayal and saxena, you'll find it easily
1753693;1513636139;esthlos;okay this is cool, will implement
1753694;1513636152;mircea_popescu;esthlos ada. see ffa for a basis
1753695;1513636158;mircea_popescu;iirc it has berett reductions already etc
1753696;1513636216;esthlos;diana_coman: thanks
1753697;1513636239;mircea_popescu;http://yves.gallot.pagesperso-orange.fr/src/aks_gmp.html << supposed c++ impl ; though i have nfi who gallot fellow is.
1753698;1513636351;mircea_popescu;http://yves.gallot.pagesperso-orange.fr/arbregen.html << tho apparently there's a genealogy tree going back to 1600s, so how bad can it be.
1753699;1513636407;esthlos;mircea_popescu: is there a preference on how I compute totient?
1753700;1513636419;mircea_popescu;do i get a closed set to pick amongst ?
1753701;1513636423;mircea_popescu;!#s totient
1753702;1513636423;a111;7 results for "totient", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=totient
1753703;1513636581;esthlos;I don't have anything specific in mind
1753704;1513636647;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753680 << it's worthlessly slow
1753705;1513636647;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 22:20 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna implement agrawal-kayal-saxena ? esthlos ? apeloyee ?
1753706;1513636650;asciilifeform;as in, century per key.
1753707;1513636652;mircea_popescu;esthlos look through the various FFA items as pasted by asciilifeform first ; to get an idea what the item is like. so you don't have to wait till he's finished publishing it all
1753708;1513636694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tell you what, m-r as found in gpg, with its "12" that are really 11 witnesses is worthlessly useless.
1753709;1513636702;mircea_popescu;at this juncture having options is the right move. let user decide.
1753710;1513636716;asciilifeform;option that dun terminate before user dies of old age, dun help much
1753711;1513636721;mircea_popescu;it's not THAT bad.
1753712;1513636736;asciilifeform;matter of fact, it is. unless there's been a serious advance that i slept through
1753713;1513636764;asciilifeform;m-r with programmable iteration knob is however worth making imho
1753714;1513636775;asciilifeform;( we even had thread, not long ago )
1753715;1513636834;asciilifeform;( where asciilifeform observed that, for serious battlefield key, a month of pre-use m-r, plus a box doing it continuously ~4evah , is not excessive )
1753716;1513636852;mircea_popescu;rather than being all negative!!!, got a review copy of ffa somewhere to pass to esthlos ?
1753717;1513636852;asciilifeform;fed with fg naturally.
1753718;1513636859;asciilifeform;it's on my www, what
1753719;1513636861;asciilifeform;and on phf's
1753720;1513636869;*;mircea_popescu looks
1753721;1513636887;asciilifeform;or mircea_popescu was asking for other-than-ch1-3 ?
1753722;1513636893;mircea_popescu;yes, whole item
1753723;1513636921;asciilifeform;this is tricky business because i changed a great many things, ch1-3 is in many ways incompatible with the old item
1753724;1513636930;asciilifeform;and no i have no intention of dropping it out of schedule
1753725;1513636934;mircea_popescu;what i mean by "review copy" ; last complete item
1753726;1513636963;mircea_popescu;so he has something to work on, rather than wait for tutorial completion, is the logic
1753727;1513636963;asciilifeform;there was a version given to mod6 , should be in the log somewhere , that had all of the basic arithmetic (+,-,*,/)
1753728;1513636976;mircea_popescu;did it have barett reduction ?
1753729;1513636997;asciilifeform;nope, and the complete barrett is unreleased , it is not up to releasable standard yet
1753730;1513637004;mircea_popescu;alright.
1753731;1513637023;asciilifeform;i very muchly recommend that all n00bs, regardless of skill, follow the www tutorial
1753732;1513637032;asciilifeform;material will make 9000x moarsense
1753733;1513637057;mircea_popescu;esthlos i'd love for you to be able to jump straight into this ; however there's some groundwork to be laid. look into the V system, because ideally you'd be presenting the finished item as a patch on diana's eucrypt lib. and asciilifeform is working on and publishing a final FFA which is what we intend to use here.
1753734;1513637084;mircea_popescu;so do that first ; then.
1753735;1513637126;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753708 <- in gpg it's "5" which is 4, lol
1753736;1513637126;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 22:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, m-r as found in gpg, with its "12" that are really 11 witnesses is worthlessly useless.
1753737;1513637132;mircea_popescu;that said, a gmp version pushed out as a patch on mpi might not be entirely without merit.
1753738;1513637142;esthlos;mircea_popescu: alright. I've been thinking of writing a v implementation following http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/
1753739;1513637144;mircea_popescu;diana_coman right right. 12 was our update.
1753740;1513637152;mircea_popescu;esthlos not a bad idea. what's your language ?
1753741;1513637178;esthlos;mircea_popescu: right now I'm most comfortable in scheme, but I want to change that to common lisp
1753742;1513637190;esthlos;so probably CL
1753743;1513637191;mircea_popescu;afaik no scheme vtron extant.
1753744;1513637200;esthlos;well that works then
1753745;1513637204;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes had something resembling a CL one
1753746;1513637228;mircea_popescu;yes. if you want you cal look up tje log for ben_vulpes ' item or else write your own in cl and compare after.
1753747;1513637243;*;asciilifeform recommends that n00bz write own, from scratch, without looking even at mine
1753748;1513637379;esthlos;mmk
1753749;1513637457;asciilifeform;btw if esthlos ( or anyone else, anywhere ) knows how to aks on 2048b primes in nongeological time, i'll happily port their algo to ffa, even if original is in cobol
1753750;1513637484;asciilifeform;(err, candidate-primes)
1753751;1513637548;asciilifeform;even something with, e.g., 6 month, run time, can be useful. ( esp. if parallelizable )
1753752;1513637607;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for my curiosity, run the above linked c++ gmp item
1753753;1513637612;mircea_popescu;it is not THAT slow.
1753754;1513637619;esthlos;noob question: why not use a fast nondeterministic algo and sieve on the results?
1753755;1513637631;mircea_popescu;esthlos we're already using m-r.
1753756;1513637639;esthlos;ah
1753757;1513637666;asciilifeform;esthlos: point is , there exists a guaranteed-correct algo. using it, supposing it were practical, is The One Right Thing
1753758;1513637668;mircea_popescu;this'd be a special alternate because we're very unhappy with the fact that a) "everonye" (=usg) uses m-r and b) evidently lies about the strength assumptions.
1753759;1513637687;mircea_popescu;and so we'd like to have an alternative, if for no reason then just to have it.
1753760;1513637733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at this point there's little doubt in my mind that >0 of the items cracked by phuctor were bona-fide keys, composite slipped past the 4+1 round m-r.
1753761;1513637759;mircea_popescu;it'd be worth it at this point to see which of the composite "primes" have the whole set of primes under say 29 as strong liars.
1753762;1513637766;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the only 1 that might fit the shape of this item is the german 'research key' one
1753763;1513637802;mircea_popescu;why ?
1753764;1513637851;asciilifeform;the only 1 with factors sized somewhere near half the bitness of the modulus, other than the khadeer key ( which had P == nextprime(Q) , which dun fit the bill )
1753765;1513637860;mircea_popescu;the factors don't matter.
1753766;1513637869;mircea_popescu;a composite that passes a low round m-r can be composite of >2 factors np.
1753767;1513637887;asciilifeform;y'know , this hypothesis is testable
1753768;1513637897;mircea_popescu;this is what i say : reconstruct the original two "primes" of which at least one wasn't ; then see which of such items have in fact low primes as strong liars.
1753769;1513637900;mircea_popescu;it is testable, yes.
1753770;1513637915;asciilifeform;and i'ma test it as soon as dulap-III is up ( btw crate of raid cards just came in last hour )
1753771;1513637925;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1753772;1513637937;asciilifeform;walk the known prime-divisors and see how many pass gpg-1.4.10's litmus
1753773;1513637957;*;asciilifeform currently suspects that none will, but nobody suspects worth a damn until -- found
1753774;1513637984;mircea_popescu;so the recipe would be, "for every composite N, sort the factors so as to obtain two 2048 bit chunks ; then check whether 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17 are strong liars for the item.
1753775;1513638004;mircea_popescu;iirc there was a "study" showing how "it is enough to test these" for whatever size.
1753776;1513638156;mircea_popescu;(for the record : it is a fact that there exist infinite composites so that their SMALLEST witness is at least ln (n) ^ 1/(3 * ln (ln(ln(n))). yet "cryptography community" keeps doing this small witness bs.)
1753777;1513638214;asciilifeform;place of 'cryptographic community' is the lime pit.
1753778;1513638287;mircea_popescu;for the record, if n = 2 ^ 2048, that limit is ~238.728599954.
1753779;1513638312;mircea_popescu;ie gpg is wasting its time with "oh, let's see if 2 is a witness".
1753780;1513638344;mircea_popescu;and i have a good mind to mandate eucrypt impl of m-r actually uses 2^8 ie 256 as minimum.
1753781;1513638358;*;asciilifeform loox at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753697 ...
1753782;1513638358;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 22:30 mircea_popescu: http://yves.gallot.pagesperso-orange.fr/src/aks_gmp.html << supposed c++ impl ; though i have nfi who gallot fellow is.
1753783;1513638384;diana_coman;I suspect the 2 is basically the...potato soup of gpg: cheapest available
1753784;1513638402;mircea_popescu;"worked well for export keys hurr durr snort snort"
1753785;1513638498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform importantly, re the test above : not the ~factors~ must be tested, but the actual composite p or q, as reconstructed from the factors.
1753786;1513638560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider how phuctor decided which numbers are 'completely' phuctored , to begin with
1753787;1513638596;mircea_popescu;bernstein smooth parts of integers empowered sieve popped a factor ?
1753788;1513638599;asciilifeform;say i have 2 2048b pieces on the table.
1753789;1513638611;asciilifeform;i'm left with... m-4
1753790;1513638614;asciilifeform;grrrr
1753791;1513638616;asciilifeform;m-r
1753792;1513638626;asciilifeform;to say if 'there's moar' or not.
1753793;1513638635;mircea_popescu;i don't think i follow.
1753794;1513638677;asciilifeform;phuctor finds a divisor. if it is toobig for sieving, i'm left with m-r, when asking whether it is a ~prime~ divisor.
1753795;1513638685;mircea_popescu;aha...
1753796;1513638710;asciilifeform;so from that pov i have no access to the original p,q that gpg may have generated, for any of the keys
1753797;1513638751;mircea_popescu;consider something like
1753798;1513638754;asciilifeform;only to a numbers that are factors of 2 or moar moduli. and they dun come with any certificate of primality, except for the smallest 'dust' ones
1753799;1513638754;mircea_popescu;!#s E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064
1753800;1513638755;a111;2 results for "E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064
1753801;1513638787;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/EJSOD
1753802;1513638796;asciilifeform;good example.
1753803;1513638806;mircea_popescu;right.
1753804;1513638872;asciilifeform;and the bottom item was reported as a factor on account of each, taken separately, having passed gmp's m-r after the 1st was found.
1753805;1513638874;asciilifeform;makes sense ?
1753806;1513638916;mircea_popescu;yes ; but the first ?
1753807;1513638940;mircea_popescu;was it ever checked whether it would appear prime to koch-gpg ?
1753808;1513638942;asciilifeform;the first passed m-r . it's the only primality test currently in battlefield use.
1753809;1513638964;asciilifeform;not specifically; was tested only using gmp's m-r. really oughta do both.
1753810;1513638978;mircea_popescu;which is my point.
1753811;1513638981;mircea_popescu;or rather, part of my point.
1753812;1513638995;asciilifeform;but it isn't clear to me why weaker koch test would have different answer than stronger m-r
1753813;1513639003;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit, stronger m-r found both to be prime
1753814;1513639009;mircea_popescu;the ~other~ part of it is : suppose (i don't have example ready, but constructively) there's a N that popped into factors f1... fm.
1753815;1513639023;asciilifeform;that's what it'd actually look like, if this animal exists
1753816;1513639028;asciilifeform;rather than '2 fat factors'
1753817;1513639033;asciilifeform;it'd be one of the shit-dust ones
1753818;1513639038;mircea_popescu;each of these factors will have a bitness. admitting none of them has a bitness = 2048, they can be arranged into a p and a q so that each of these has a bitness of 2048
1753819;1513639044;asciilifeform;and we don't know how the shit-dust comes back together to form what gpg thought was primes
1753820;1513639062;mircea_popescu;the thus reconstructed p and q should be tested for whether they indeed have no true witness of compositeness as low as gpg tests.
1753821;1513639090;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, we pray. and we try.
1753822;1513639101;mircea_popescu;it's a finite set of factors, they work together into fixed bitnesses only so many ways.
1753823;1513639168;asciilifeform;btw that french aks is geological. n==11701 has been running for 10+ minutes, and is on ~9600; author's code indicates that answer appears at iteration 1000000007. that'd be 723 days on this box.
1753824;1513639181;mircea_popescu;ie, suppose the factors f1... f8 have bitnesses of 1,1,2,2,3,3,2042,2042. so then we try f1f3f5f7 and f2f4f6f8. and we also try f2f3f5f7 f1f4f6f8. and so on.
1753825;1513639181;asciilifeform;for a 14 BIT NUMBER
1753826;1513639213;asciilifeform;and the order is log(n^6)
1753827;1513639232;asciilifeform;if somebody made a practical aks, it is a deep, dark seekrit from asciilifeform .
1753828;1513639263;mircea_popescu;ugh.
1753829;1513639279;asciilifeform;i was hoping to find that i made a mistake, but the numberz check out.
1753830;1513639287;asciilifeform;i'ma let sumbodyelse alsotry, to make sure.
1753831;1513639309;asciilifeform;supposing anyone can be aroused to do it ( g++ aks.cpp -lgmp -o aks )
1753832;1513639313;mircea_popescu;the order IS log^6, which was the great progress, originally it was log^12
1753833;1513639317;asciilifeform;it was aha
1753834;1513639336;mircea_popescu;but the base factor can't be this fucking humongous ffs, it's just (x+a)^n vs x^n+a.
1753835;1513639445;mircea_popescu;(which, i confess, striked/strikes me as a seductively good idea)
1753836;1513639485;asciilifeform;this is one of those things that really begs for dedicated iron
1753837;1513639500;mircea_popescu;it does at that!
1753838;1513639513;mircea_popescu;incidentally...if this is so fucking slow... guess who just found a new pow.
1753839;1513639514;asciilifeform;( though even there , you'd shed 1 or 2 from the exponent , not earth-shaking necessarily )
1753840;1513639524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: humour me, how wouldja turn this into a pow
1753841;1513639530;asciilifeform;i'ma allears
1753842;1513639591;mircea_popescu;suppose your block hashes to value n.
1753843;1513639637;asciilifeform;ok..
1753844;1513639661;mircea_popescu;let's take a = every other bit of n. to mine this block, you must produce an x so that x is twice the bitsize of n, and (x+a)^n is mod congruent to x^n + a (mod n)
1753845;1513639743;asciilifeform;so miner waltzed his nonce until it's a composite and trivial
1753846;1513639746;asciilifeform;what's to stop him
1753847;1513639772;mircea_popescu;primeness doesn't enter into this, we're just leveraging that apparently modexp is megaexpensive.
1753848;1513639783;mircea_popescu;ie, more expensive than plain shaing
1753849;1513639818;asciilifeform;sha2 (and for that matter other hashes) weren't built to be expensive, quite opposite
1753850;1513639822;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1753851;1513639837;asciilifeform;in applications where people want 'expensive', they ask for 1e6 or whatever iterated hashes
1753852;1513639861;mircea_popescu;but the contention here is that picking something like modexp is a better choice than just piling on hashes.
1753853;1513639886;asciilifeform;it's not necessarily good choice, in that it is very amenable to parallelization
1753854;1513639905;asciilifeform;( multiplication parallelizes 3 ways , with karatsuba, and N ways with toom-cook )
1753855;1513639926;mircea_popescu;not sure that is a bad thing. but yes, evidently large topic for discussion.
1753856;1513639933;asciilifeform;modexp in turn can be cut into B mod-mults, where B is bitness
1753857;1513639957;asciilifeform;it's a bad thing if you want 'asic-resistant' or even fpga-resistant
1753858;1513639972;mircea_popescu;it's not clear at this stage what you want.
1753859;1513639977;asciilifeform;i was about to say
1753860;1513639977;mircea_popescu;but it's certainly there.
1753861;1513639993;asciilifeform;after 5yr of thinking about it daily, asciilifeform still has nfi what even ought to be asked of a pow !!
1753862;1513640025;asciilifeform;mining intrinsically, i suspect, suxx, and fiddling with pow won't make any dent in it
1753863;1513640050;asciilifeform;( sucks for the reason, incidentally, that mircea_popescu already fingered , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745524 and elsewhere )
1753864;1513640050;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 16:22 mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
1753865;1513640071;mircea_popescu;myeah
1753866;1513641051;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : 32 hectares of land across the strip from the flamingo cost under 1mn in 1962.
1753867;1513641305;asciilifeform;that's, what, 100m in modern printolade neh
1753868;1513641334;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what the item would even cost today. billions, prolly.
1753869;1513641351;asciilifeform;this is in cr ?
1753870;1513641359;mircea_popescu;the strip is in las vegas
1753871;1513641362;asciilifeform;aaaaa
1753872;1513641364;asciilifeform;lol
1753873;1513641377;*;asciilifeform was scratchinghead, puzzled
1753874;1513641462;asciilifeform;upstack in re 'mining is a bug' , asciilifeform has a theoretical pill, potentially interesting , but will chew on it for some weeks -- there's gotta be a catch
1753875;1513641482;mircea_popescu;maybe say $1k / sqm or so. 32 hectares = 320mn ?
1753876;1513641505;asciilifeform;( it is specifically a pill against 'can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others' aspect )
1753877;1513641567;mircea_popescu;should be interesting.
1753878;1513641573;asciilifeform;possibly.
1753879;1513641628;asciilifeform;it uses an algo from an ancient mircea_popescu thread
1753880;1513641640;asciilifeform;( 'pow in tx not in block' )
1753881;1513641652;asciilifeform;but i'ma bbl: meat.
1753882;1513646042;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1753883;1513646049;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 18893.0, vol: 13502.62107269 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 18804.0, vol: 45094.04913747 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 18765.2, vol: 3090.86572362 | Volume-weighted last average: 18821.5368925
1753884;1513647403;shinohai;yay no more crumble #maga http://archive.is/kmHhk
1753885;1513647444;shinohai;But I always like my apple kyklos cake a bit crumbly
1753886;1513649296;*;asciilifeform wonders whether he gotta commit another warcrime in the spirit of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619719 , or to simply lay the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753876 item out in the l0gz, reasonably compactly.
1753887;1513649296;a111;Logged on 2017-02-28 05:40 asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] (CRACKPOTTERY) Notes re: one possible "TRB-I".
1753888;1513649296;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 23:58 asciilifeform: ( it is specifically a pill against 'can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others' aspect )
1753889;1513649312;phf;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu do we want to keep the exclude functionality? i sometimes use it in test runs, but this'll let me get rid of regex (for now anyway)
1753890;1513649329;asciilifeform;which is this, phf
1753891;1513649334;phf;diff
1753892;1513649341;asciilifeform;what does 'exclude' do
1753893;1513649355;phf;right, realized too late :p
1753894;1513649371;asciilifeform;no srsly what's it do
1753895;1513649457;phf;there's a couple of places where regex is used. exclude filters files by name, (so --exclude=.*c will skip those files by regex), exclude lines filters lines (obviously is not compatible with v), and there's also a function grabber, it's a little piece of code that ensures that, say, c function headers or certain pattern matching lines are in the hunk context
1753896;1513649473;asciilifeform;why wouldja do this, phf ?
1753897;1513649477;asciilifeform;i've never done it
1753898;1513649499;asciilifeform;i have scripts that ruthlessly thermonuke the kind of rubbish that doesn't get diffed, instead.
1753899;1513649514;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485519
1753900;1513649514;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 04:23 phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
1753901;1513649515;asciilifeform;( e.g., gprclean actually cleans ffa . )
1753902;1513649526;asciilifeform;that's what cleaning's for
1753903;1513649533;phf;but i don't go into the details there either
1753904;1513649534;phf;right
1753905;1513649548;asciilifeform;dunwanna diff it -- dun put it where things are gettin'diffed
1753906;1513649560;phf;hey, less work for me™
1753907;1513649600;*;phf has been listening to The Dubliners, has a skewed perspective on work at the moment
1753908;1513649658;*;phf does a little jig
1753909;1513649671;asciilifeform;'...there's whiskey in the jar...'
1753910;1513649675;phf;:D
1753911;1513649713;phf;apropos out yesterday's mini thread about whisky. the only good kind of whisky comes in the jar
1753912;1513649745;*;asciilifeform has yet to taste this mythical item, 'good whisky'
1753913;1513649778;*;asciilifeform sings silently '...Говорили мне ребята: "Виски ты не пей", А я как только виски тресну, Так мне чудится фигня...'
1753914;1513649801;asciilifeform;( sores -- http://shaov.kulichki.com/texts/volshebstvo.htm )
1753915;1513650141;asciilifeform;upstack re pow item : i'ma leave an observation for mircea_popescu ( and others, but he's prolly the one to crack this nut properly ) . consider how in classical bitcoin , pow is used for 2 entirely different and quite orthogonal items : initialcoindistribution, and rewindprotection (i.e. preventing history-rewriting) . it's a bulldog-rhinoceros. so q is, suppose that coin distribution somehow took place at t==0. do you still need po
1753916;1513650141;asciilifeform;w for antireplay ? can you picture a scheme where... it doesn't.
1753917;1513650166;asciilifeform;suppose the bulldog and rhinoceros were cut apart.
1753918;1513650200;asciilifeform;*antirewind
1753919;1513650290;asciilifeform;this gedankenexperiment should be seen in light of the earlier 'all tx have absolute position and make references to absolutepositional outputs' item from earlier 'trbi' thread.
1753920;1513650803;asciilifeform;and, i'll add, in light of the luby proof-of-storage item.
1753921;1513650843;asciilifeform;( i.e. when you craft such a tx, you're doing it against a specific picture of whole blockchain, from t==0 to your highestknownblock )
1753922;1513651085;asciilifeform;prolly i'm doomed to describe a complete algo nao. so consider : no pow. a block is 2^20 bytes . it can hold a certain # of fixed-length tx ( i will not repeat earlier scheme, with the luby etc., imho it was adequate. ) ;
1753923;1513651167;asciilifeform;however there is no block reward. anyone can proclaim a block, so long as he can find one or more valid tx that haven't sat down in a block yet. the 'pow value' of the block , for the purpose of longest-chain, however, consists of the ~total coins moved~ in the tx-en that sat down in it.
1753924;1513651281;asciilifeform;to prevent 1 d00d with fat wallet from monopolizing all future blocks, would have to count 'mass' only for resolving forks of length 1 . (i.e. 1 block, however 'heavy', cannot 'outweigh' 2. )
1753925;1513651366;asciilifeform;i modelled this item on paper, and did not find any obvious place in which to put a crowbar and make the thing break apart in the 'rewrite history' sense.
1753926;1513651432;asciilifeform;but entirely possible that it was in my blind spot. so i'ma leave this here, and make moar detailed sketch if mircea_popescu asks , later.
1753927;1513651647;asciilifeform;( to complete the picture above : no pow, but a tx ~does~ carry a lubyism, e.g. three lengths of 64bits , each of these the xor of 3 64bit substrings of the world-state, hashtronically selected based ~strictly on the tx payload's hash~ -- nothing to waltz, yer stuck with so-and-so lubyism obligation to fulfill by virtue of yer inputs being such-an-such and yer outputs such-an-such )
1753928;1513651897;phf;first pass line reduction of diffutils, from 300407 to 50312
1753929;1513651922;asciilifeform;oh hey
1753930;1513651924;asciilifeform;neato, phf
1753931;1513651952;asciilifeform;to round out the crackpottery : i've described what is more or less a working variant of ye olde warcrime, the multiverse coin
1753932;1513651984;asciilifeform;( each candidate-tx is irreversibly bound to its author's picture-at-the-time of the complete world history )
1753933;1513652017;asciilifeform;phf: lemme guess, it was by nuking autoconf
1753934;1513652059;asciilifeform;( it was perhaps 80% of how asciilifeform cut koch-mpi , by similar proportion )
1753935;1513652153;phf;it's not even the entirety of autoconf, just things that are left un-included after fixing all the "missing file" errors from diff.c
1753936;1513652171;asciilifeform;kill autoconf. it has no place in this world.
1753937;1513652173;asciilifeform;it Must Die.
1753938;1513652233;phf;well, autoconf is not just scripts. it's also compatibility shims, which is a bit tricky in case of a differ, since, unlike mpi, it has a lot of file system interaction code, that might or might not be portable. anyway, we'll see
1753939;1513652252;asciilifeform;i suspect that if you ditch autoconf, and snip out ALL #ifdef crapola (esp. and inclusive of uniturdism and 'localism' ) you will end up with a sysv-sized util
1753940;1513652253;phf;obviously i'm not actually building it with autoconf
1753941;1513653748;phf;      -l  --paginate
1753942;1513653749;phf;              Pass the output through `pr' to paginate it.
1753943;1513653751;phf;wtf.
1753944;1513654395;asciilifeform;lol feepingcreaturism
1753945;1513654538;phf;not to mention a fucking palette parser
1753946;1513654666;phf;trick question, why do you need a signal handler in a differ?
1753947;1513654764;phf;there's a concrete answer to that question!
1753948;1513654948;asciilifeform;dafuq?
1753949;1513655081;phf;well, if you baked in color support, your code periodically enables a color mode, but doesn't immediately disable it. instead colors spit out as the execution unfolds. but if you catch an interrupt, you end up with a borked terminal. hence fucking complicated ass signal machinery to ensure that color gets restored on hup or suspend
1753950;1513655268;asciilifeform;ffs
1753951;1513655281;asciilifeform;kill it with fire.
1753952;1513656480;*;trinque noticing extremely fucky behavior around sending transactions with trb over the last few days at least.
1753953;1513656511;trinque;mats pointed out to me that all trb nodes he can see appeared to be consistently 50 blocks or more behind.
1753954;1513656541;trinque;obviously I'm looking into it, but I would like to hear what other people are seeing on their trb nodes.
1753955;1513656646;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753889 << get rid of regex
1753956;1513656646;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 02:08 phf: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu do we want to keep the exclude functionality? i sometimes use it in test runs, but this'll let me get rid of regex (for now anyway)
1753957;1513656774;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753920 < obviously.
1753958;1513656774;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 02:33 asciilifeform: and, i'll add, in light of the luby proof-of-storage item.
1753959;1513656789;mircea_popescu;there's nothing fundamentally wrong with a non-mining coin, ie, where all coins are created at t0.
1753960;1513656809;asciilifeform;yea but would described algo wurk.
1753961;1513656832;asciilifeform;... or can unwind.
1753962;1513656840;mircea_popescu;can unwind.
1753963;1513656846;asciilifeform;lesse how ?
1753964;1513656865;mircea_popescu;consider. how does your system discard forks ?
1753965;1513656935;asciilifeform;when you craft a tx, it presupposes 1 particular history.
1753966;1513656943;asciilifeform;and is invalid outside of it.
1753967;1513656945;mircea_popescu;yes. but when you encounter two different chains, how do you choose one ?
1753968;1513656989;asciilifeform;in the proposed algo -- the block, from all the alternatives you have, with greatest summed coinmovement
1753969;1513657011;mircea_popescu;so if at t0 the chain is C, and at t1 large owners decide they don't like C and retroactively create C' ?
1753970;1513657034;mircea_popescu;how can non-usg node correctly identify C' as retcon ?
1753971;1513657041;asciilifeform;why would anyone build on their alt-world tho
1753972;1513657045;asciilifeform;when baking tx
1753973;1513657058;mircea_popescu;this question means the scheme's dead.
1753974;1513657074;asciilifeform;i dungetit
1753975;1513657096;mircea_popescu;by the time you ask "why would anyone choose the wrong color bits" you've moved from protocol to promise.
1753976;1513657104;asciilifeform;i still dungetit
1753977;1513657113;mircea_popescu;well, which part ?
1753978;1513657119;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753928 << bless you.
1753979;1513657119;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 02:51 phf: first pass line reduction of diffutils, from 300407 to 50312
1753980;1513657217;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753946 << good god.
1753981;1513657217;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 03:37 phf: trick question, why do you need a signal handler in a differ?
1753982;1513657219;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your picture seems to be a variant of the 'isolated node' argument. except nao with the sides reversed
1753983;1513657239;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform somethinglike that.
1753984;1513657249;mircea_popescu;the problem with "no time", see ? it's that now... no time!
1753985;1513657261;mircea_popescu;that's the iffy thing about blocks. not so much the "work", but the metronome.
1753986;1513657274;asciilifeform;so i'ma borrow mircea_popescu's orig argument, 'dont ever be isolatednode'
1753987;1513657283;asciilifeform;then no crowbar.
1753988;1513657292;mircea_popescu;this alt-granpa pistol is no replacement for the actual item
1753989;1513657309;mircea_popescu;i don't want a different flavour of footshooting musket.
1753990;1513657322;asciilifeform;it couldn't, even if entirely flawless, it dun distribute coin
1753991;1513657355;asciilifeform;q is more re fundamentals. suppose you had another, yet-unspecified means to distributecoin.
1753992;1513657414;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753954 << i have up to date nodes ; both trb and legacy. but the phenomena described is recurrent since at least 18 months ago.
1753993;1513657414;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 04:09 trinque: obviously I'm looking into it, but I would like to hear what other people are seeing on their trb nodes.
1753994;1513657432;*;asciilifeform trying very different tack re 'trbi' than in prev thread, instead of massive warcrime , series of small gedankenexperiment.
1753995;1513657461;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in which vein : nothing wrong in principle with the idea (of all-coins-given-at-t0) but you will have to solve the problem of time.
1753996;1513657475;asciilifeform;trinque: 'zoolag' still 30k behind
1753997;1513657511;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'don't be in a cave' is not solution ?
1753998;1513657530;mircea_popescu;to the problem of time ?
1753999;1513657534;asciilifeform;aha
1754000;1513657551;mircea_popescu;no it's not a solution. it reduces to "bring your own missing parts of this bitcoin"
1754001;1513657552;trinque;I'm simply unable to transmit transactions at times; they show up in no other mempool.
1754002;1513657566;trinque;this along with the transparently obvious sybil logs I posted the other day
1754003;1513657573;trinque;anyhow, investigation continues.
1754004;1513657580;mircea_popescu;trinque the only known pill is keeping large pile of secretly connected nodes, measuring who mothballs you and why, sending assassins over,
1754005;1513657584;mircea_popescu;it's a whole game of dumbass.
1754006;1513657618;mircea_popescu;the sad fact of bitcoin relay network is that it actually forces people who aren't to nevertheless act like idiots.
1754007;1513657623;mircea_popescu;"because someone somewhere might"
1754008;1513657636;mircea_popescu;this sad is dissected in logs last someone mentioned this. which might've been me, last year ish
1754009;1513657661;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't cleat to me that wot isn't the troo solution to time. e.g. 'i'ma follow the multiverse mircea_popescu picks, and fuck everyone'
1754010;1513657670;asciilifeform;*clear to
1754011;1513657671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly.
1754012;1513657674;trinque;yep, my reaction has been to invest in node-deployment tooling, more nodes, idiot IP blocking and all that
1754013;1513657676;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753928 << 24132
1754014;1513657676;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 02:51 phf: first pass line reduction of diffutils, from 300407 to 50312
1754015;1513657683;trinque;wd
1754016;1513657701;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but this just makes us a larger mp, you understand ? girl going "hail master, i am yours to command" does not resolve the problem.
1754017;1513657725;asciilifeform;there may not ultimately be another solution.
1754018;1513657732;asciilifeform;chinese liquishit is no future.
1754019;1513657743;mircea_popescu;maybe not.
1754020;1513657752;asciilifeform;at least i formalized how.
1754021;1513657781;asciilifeform;( possibly it was already obvious, how. )
1754022;1513657796;mircea_popescu;anyway, one approach might be to a) create a scalar worldfunction and b) force reference to the discrete value of it. which is what pow ineptly tries to do.
1754023;1513657813;mircea_popescu;but i suspect as implemented it is blind peculiarization of more general concept that needs unearthing.
1754024;1513657847;asciilifeform;i gave an example scalar, 'coins moved but over 1 block delta'. it is by no means the only possible.
1754025;1513657866;mircea_popescu;(in the discussion re http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ the item involved is a more elaborate... world function.)
1754026;1513657904;asciilifeform;notice that item in this thread makes no reference to how-hashed or other technominutiae .
1754027;1513657910;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform coins moved is a phenomenology function. worldfunction must discuss states.
1754028;1513657918;mircea_popescu;indeed. no reason to.
1754029;1513657942;asciilifeform;i can rven
1754030;1513657945;asciilifeform;errr
1754031;1513657951;asciilifeform;grr
1754032;1513657974;asciilifeform;even picture various worldfuncts coexisting. genuine multiversecoin.
1754033;1513657998;asciilifeform;the ants, their own, cockroaches, their own, men -- their own.
1754034;1513658047;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1754035;1513658048;mircea_popescu;sure.
1754036;1513658073;asciilifeform;and yes mircea_popescu this item is an attempt at the unified theory, rather than proposal for concrete cointron.
1754037;1513658092;asciilifeform;very rough attempt.
1754038;1513658093;mircea_popescu;this is entirely new field, in fact, as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753861 etc : we don't even really understand what worldfunction si supposed to be.
1754039;1513658094;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 23:33 asciilifeform: after 5yr of thinking about it daily, asciilifeform still has nfi what even ought to be asked of a pow !!
1754040;1513658121;mircea_popescu;but it'd seem that in point of fact what is needed is a reliable description of all factual existence.
1754041;1513658129;mircea_popescu;doesn't have to be complete being the only grace.
1754042;1513658130;asciilifeform;pow where having found the prev champ is of ~any~ advantage, is ipso facto retarded tho.
1754043;1513658136;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu already observed.
1754044;1513658207;mircea_popescu;maybe "any" is too strong. but if one can take decision based on it, there's the evident problem
1754045;1513658226;asciilifeform;and currently i'm of the mind that pow is an idiot substitute for wot.
1754046;1513658239;mircea_popescu;well... call it a bootstrap
1754047;1513658246;mircea_popescu;in all factuality we wouldn't have wot were there not pow.
1754048;1513658246;asciilifeform;i duncare what obummer and gavin have to say re the worldstate,
1754049;1513658267;asciilifeform;perfectly happy to replace pow with my wot.
1754050;1513658275;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform up to a point. if they came up with say riemann falsification , you'd care.
1754051;1513658290;asciilifeform;they haven't tho.
1754052;1513658294;asciilifeform;and won't.
1754053;1513658296;mircea_popescu;nor wioll.
1754054;1513658297;mircea_popescu;right.
1754055;1513658664;mircea_popescu;anyway. "discretized worldfunction", which is ~what pow+blockchain is, has obvious advantages.
1754056;1513658683;asciilifeform;and disadvantages.
1754057;1513658691;mircea_popescu;i don't mean here what rando-idiot thinks those are. i mean the actual article,
1754058;1513658745;mircea_popescu;i clearly remember gushing in the log many years ago, but can't seem to find. anyway : difficulty worked.
1754059;1513658762;asciilifeform;the asic-building tourney is intrinsically cartelizing.
1754060;1513658774;mircea_popescu;it scaled remarkably well, much better than expected really ; and much better than expectable. this exceedingly close coupling between model and reality isn't, to my knowledge, seen before in human industry.
1754061;1513658812;asciilifeform;scaled all the way into becoming a chinese national property.
1754062;1513658824;mircea_popescu;nevermind that.
1754063;1513658884;mircea_popescu;the fact that blocktimes today are SO DAMNED CLOSE to the range intended 8 years ago in spite of diff going up 1e20 is unmatched.
1754064;1513658898;mircea_popescu;not even seen in nature, such things.
1754065;1513658906;asciilifeform;how could they move ? it's a pretty hard thermostat
1754066;1513658917;mircea_popescu;the point is that it worked.
1754067;1513658931;asciilifeform;it was obvious that it'd work, in this sense, on day1
1754068;1513658940;mircea_popescu;you do not encounter a phenomena where you go from 1 to 1e20 smoothly.
1754069;1513658946;mircea_popescu;it was not obvious to me.
1754070;1513659356;asciilifeform;i can picture that it'd impress folx who experienced 'typical' technology being webolade, ducttape, perl. the way austrian bidet impressed asciilifeform's grandfather.
1754071;1513659363;asciilifeform;an sram, sah,
1754072;1513659365;asciilifeform;say,
1754073;1513659375;asciilifeform;by that token evenmoaf
1754074;1513659379;mircea_popescu;name item, man-made or natural, that presents this property.
1754075;1513659381;asciilifeform;rmoar impressive
1754076;1513659394;asciilifeform;your cpu.
1754077;1513659402;mircea_popescu;what about my cpu ?
1754078;1513659417;asciilifeform;worx same from 1hz to 1e9.
1754079;1513659422;mircea_popescu;cpu transistor count is what, 1e10 ?
1754080;1513659428;mircea_popescu;that is NOWHERE CLOSE.
1754081;1513659487;mircea_popescu;and if you're proposing 2017 vintage intel cpu works anything like a diode you're in for a world of hurt.
1754082;1513659553;asciilifeform;dunno re intel's turd, but plenty of static (i.e. clocks from dc to max) on embedded market.
1754083;1513659578;asciilifeform;the cpld in fg, for instance.
1754084;1513659602;mircea_popescu;what's its range ?
1754085;1513659612;asciilifeform;dc to 250mhz approx
1754086;1513659677;asciilifeform;!#s xc9572
1754087;1513659678;a111;1 result for "xc9572", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=xc9572
1754088;1513659693;asciilifeform;!~google xc9572
1754089;1513659694;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Xilinx DS065 XC9572 In-system Programmable CPLD Data Sheet: ; XC9572 -15PQG100C Xilinx Inc. | Integrated Circuits (ICs) | DigiKey: ; XC9572 -15PC44I Xilinx Inc. | Integrated Circuits (ICs) | DigiKey: (1 more message)
1754090;1513659698;asciilifeform;^ subj
1754091;1513659715;mircea_popescu;very halpful, look, a pdf.
1754092;1513659721;mircea_popescu;that redirects.
1754093;1513659725;asciilifeform;125
1754094;1513659752;mircea_popescu;fucktards. dja realise that link is dead ?
1754095;1513659758;asciilifeform;dunno where i remembered 250. gotta be from lattice-ice
1754096;1513659771;asciilifeform;it's alive, fwiw, loads
1754097;1513659778;mircea_popescu;anyway. so the range is approx 1e8
1754098;1513659811;mircea_popescu;it redirected me to oh i see what happened
1754099;1513659862;asciilifeform;if all you want is range, can say that a glass bottle as easily holds 1 molecule of water, as....
1754100;1513659874;asciilifeform;mega-range.
1754101;1513659902;mircea_popescu;not much of a machinery.
1754102;1513659962;asciilifeform;point is, scale alone dun impress, or we'd all eat, very impressedly, at mickey d
1754103;1513659987;mircea_popescu;machinery that behaves as intended over a large range of inputs impresses me. this isn't mandatory for anyone.
1754104;1513660015;asciilifeform;i have nuffin against mircea_popescu's beingimpressed.
1754105;1513660084;mircea_popescu;now, the accomplishment here is that it tied a theoretical model to future development in reality.
1754106;1513660087;mircea_popescu;this is no small matter generally.
1754107;1513660100;mircea_popescu;consider, making a clock that works equally well over 1e20 time units,
1754108;1513660105;mircea_popescu;etcetera.
1754109;1513660140;mircea_popescu;women ~generally make children, but that's only 3e12 cells or so.
1754110;1513660170;asciilifeform;in the time it took you to write this, yer fg clock beat out 28^20 time units.
1754111;1513660222;mircea_popescu;it did ?
1754112;1513660254;asciilifeform;err, ~2+
1754113;1513660265;asciilifeform;~14mhz
1754114;1513660271;mircea_popescu;2^20 ~= 10^6 ?
1754115;1513660286;asciilifeform;aa
1754116;1513660365;asciilifeform;folx spit on quartz resonators,  but they're a quite remarkable thing.
1754117;1513660373;mircea_popescu;no argument. they are.
1754118;1513660381;mircea_popescu;still not quite AS remarkable as discussed here, but yes.
1754119;1513660406;asciilifeform;compared to, say, naive self-feedbacking inverter clock, or r-c clock.
1754120;1513660427;mircea_popescu;i suspect quartz hating is because obsoleting the last remnant of pre-socialism tech, the mechanical movement.
1754121;1513660473;asciilifeform;more often because it loses to 'atomic' clock, which seems to derps to be much cheaper than it is because inca broadcast
1754122;1513660502;mircea_popescu;broadcast nevertheless is the ~only economical way to clock.
1754123;1513660512;mircea_popescu;for a while it was church tower, same inca principle.
1754124;1513660542;asciilifeform;dunno, rubidium clock costs nomoar than a typical comp
1754125;1513660558;asciilifeform;and cesium -- about same as 'rolex'
1754126;1513660613;asciilifeform;( presupposing yer doing precision, vs accuracy-to-inca, the latter circularly presupposes inca broadcast as only winner )
1754127;1513660630;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1754128;1513660682;*;asciilifeform pretty close to where more often than not thinks 'hm, rubidium or save pennies and cesium'
1754129;1513660826;asciilifeform;btw iirc we had a mechanical clock collector d00d... pete_dushenski ?
1754130;1513660890;*;asciilifeform pictures, suppose somebody were to try an' 'veblenize' cesium fountain
1754131;1513660896;asciilifeform;picture, knapsack.
1754132;1513660967;*;asciilifeform bbl, but suspects that we'll meet this thread again.
1754133;1513662776;ben_vulpes;ohey have we finally arrived at the solution of each laird maintaining their own premined coin?
1754134;1513662908;mircea_popescu;heh
1754135;1513662964;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i am very curious in how you figure initial distribution might work
1754136;1513662992;ben_vulpes;although perhaps that is the only thing that will eventually differentiate the trilema fiatists products
1754137;1513663141;mircea_popescu;one coin per l1.
1754138;1513663315;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557667 << thread
1754139;1513663315;a111;Logged on 2016-10-21 01:10 mircea_popescu: it'd be literally a measure of social intercourse
1754140;1513663772;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754013 << 11753, well that's enough for tonight
1754141;1513663772;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 04:27 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753928 << 24132
1754142;1513663820;mircea_popescu;12k is almost human
1754143;1513663908;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes look into teh whole medieval history. two salient points : a) "honor", especially "why would it be said that the enchroaching of king into chivalry through pretense of fons honorum actually destroyed it" ; b) tenement, especially in the sense of subinfeudation.
1754144;1513664323;mircea_popescu;but yes, this comes with the necessity of considering eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751602 as "a coin has been minted" ; i don't see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753931 as anything other than an abstract rendering of the exact practical reality
1754145;1513664323;a111;Logged on 2017-12-14 19:42 mircea_popescu: phf are you amenable to re-writing diff btw ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747792 is going to happen later this year, and v-immutability is a pita.
1754146;1513664323;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 02:52 asciilifeform: to round out the crackpottery : i've described what is more or less a working variant of ye olde warcrime, the multiverse coin
1754147;1513664366;mircea_popescu;that you don't "need to make a coin" for this should be evident, in the sense that the "coin" already exists. (not to mention -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752985 )
1754148;1513664366;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 01:37 mircea_popescu is thinking of actually starting a chivalry order.
1754149;1513664399;mircea_popescu;fundamentally, the "quo warranto" inquiry is exactly equivalent to transaction verification.
1754150;1513686247;shinohai;http://archive.is/ibMMr   <<< This was some lulzy SFYL
1754151;1513692543;BingoBoingo; i can picture that it'd impress folx who experienced 'typical' technology being webolade, ducttape, perl. the way austrian bidet impressed asciilifeform's grandfather. << AHA, in Uruguay no excuse for walking around with stink butt
1754152;1513692649;BingoBoingo;Datacenter visit was very pleasant
1754153;1513692935;BingoBoingo;Very well cooled, racetrack cabling to racks very clean, mega fire supression
1754154;1513693138;BingoBoingo;And very importantly, they have space to fill
1754155;1513694255;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1754156;1513694261;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 17977.03, vol: 16186.23175455 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17569.0, vol: 51044.12132472 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 17934.7, vol: 3487.02834816 | Volume-weighted last average: 17680.4248612
1754157;1513694326;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: datacenters are ~always more or less ~same, visually.
1754158;1513694350;asciilifeform;the differences are not in that some have roaches and others mice, no.
1754159;1513694408;BingoBoingo;Details vary, even among this operator's different halls. This operator's older halls use racetrack designed for electrical conduit. The new hall uses coated racetrack designed for networking cables
1754160;1513694410;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754135 << emphasis was quite deliberate on 'this is orthogonal to the problem contemplated'. yes, it is solvable, there are several known obvious solutions.
1754161;1513694410;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 05:56 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am very curious in how you figure initial distribution might work
1754162;1513694448;BingoBoingo;But the fellow I talked to recieved a clear understanding of what I am and am not looking for.
1754163;1513694455;asciilifeform;neato, BingoBoingo
1754164;1513694464;asciilifeform;lemme know when yer ready to take a box
1754165;1513694495;BingoBoingo;I will keep you informed.
1754166;1513694553;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754142 << 12k of 'idiomatic c' is still pretty heavy. but not intractable.
1754167;1513694553;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 06:10 mircea_popescu: 12k is almost human
1754168;1513694556;asciilifeform;!#s idiomatic c
1754169;1513694558;a111;12 results for "idiomatic c", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=idiomatic%20c
1754170;1513694561;BingoBoingo;Will you be flying down with the box?
1754171;1513694562;asciilifeform;^ see also
1754172;1513694573;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: possibly, but it dun make sense for just 1
1754173;1513694610;BingoBoingo;Ah, better get to boxing then. Apparently when summer ends the weather is un poco menos divine.
1754174;1513694631;asciilifeform;well i actually ~like~ winter, so.
1754175;1513694679;BingoBoingo;Lol, the fellow went to great lengths to caution me on how cold winter gets here while staying above 0C
1754176;1513694765;BingoBoingo;Do remember if you choose to stay in my hostel to bring clothes you don't mind burning later porque los chinches de cama
1754177;1513694800;asciilifeform;ugh
1754178;1513694867;*;BingoBoingo will prolly do the ivermectin thing later this week
1754179;1513694880;asciilifeform;somehow i didn't expect delousing as one of the expenses...
1754180;1513694963;BingoBoingo;Well, there's accomodations nearby where the staff get paid in dinero instead of accomodations, without rapidly turning beds in rooms that accomodate 8 people.
1754181;1513694976;BingoBoingo;International travel is a dirty business.
1754182;1513695132;asciilifeform;hey , asciilifeform takes off his hat to BingoBoingo's 'fuel efficiency'
1754183;1513695553;*;BingoBoingo figures if the Colombians y Brasileros/Brasileras don't complain too loudly what is his place to do so.
1754184;1513695594;BingoBoingo;Not to mention when apartment time comes it presents a ready opportunity for remediating the issue
1754185;1513695907;BingoBoingo;!!up The20YearIRCloud
1754186;1513695908;deedbot;The20YearIRCloud voiced for 30 minutes.
1754187;1513695918;The20YearIRCloud;It's a Christmas Miracle!
1754188;1513695936;BingoBoingo;Que es?
1754189;1513695954;The20YearIRCloud;Had to say something, guess that's my best try
1754190;1513695974;asciilifeform;The20YearIRCloud: y'know you don't have to talk if you dunwanna
1754191;1513696008;The20YearIRCloud;Yeah but I'm voiced, must be a early Christmas present?
1754192;1513696040;asciilifeform;The20YearIRCloud: iirc you were the fella with the flats-let-out-for-btc . how's that coming along ?
1754193;1513696054;The20YearIRCloud;Good, we should hit 85 rentals by end of year
1754194;1513696080;The20YearIRCloud;Used the BTC to buy the first 18 if memory serves me right, rest has been bank capital and partnerships
1754195;1513696104;asciilifeform;unless i'm missing something, that sounds like a terrible deal
1754196;1513696125;asciilifeform;i.e. you spent btc presumably some months ( years ? ) ago, and letting them flats out for 'dust' today
1754197;1513696131;asciilifeform;how many centuries to make the coin back ?
1754198;1513696157;The20YearIRCloud;Including the BTC appreciation rate, or including what it was worth at the time?
1754199;1513696175;asciilifeform;( and that's if it exchange rate were to somehow freeze 4evah at current, even )
1754200;1513696176;BingoBoingo;Including the USD crumble rate
1754201;1513696177;The20YearIRCloud;Because matching the BTC appreciation/escalation with any investment is just about impossible.
1754202;1513696190;The20YearIRCloud;Just like any service, good, etc ever purchased with bitcoin
1754203;1513696199;asciilifeform;forget about matching, how about simply not burning the coin
1754204;1513696209;The20YearIRCloud;What do you mean burning?
1754205;1513696243;asciilifeform;i.e. you oughta get the btc you spent, back , at the very least
1754206;1513696279;asciilifeform;( see , e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749209 )
1754207;1513696279;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 01:32 danielpbarron: i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me
1754208;1513696285;BingoBoingo;Vos intentai de nuevo?
1754209;1513696310;The20YearIRCloud;From property income? Then yes if you consider the USD. From the outset I explained to everyone that we'd be dealing primarily in USD, accepting BTC from tenants wherever possible. As of today I've had a grand sum of 3 people ask me about truly getting involved in bitcoin
1754210;1513696331;asciilifeform;oook so it isn't a btc biznisss at all...
1754211;1513696337;asciilifeform;more liek what dell and microshit do
1754212;1513696340;The20YearIRCloud;Correct, never was, it's a real estate business
1754213;1513696346;asciilifeform;aite. snoar.
1754214;1513696348;asciilifeform;!!down The20YearIRCloud
1754215;1513696915;danielpbarron;glad i replaced them but to be perfectly honest i'd have been better off keeping both the bitcoin spent while also buying the re-up. I justify it as a hedge against possible bitcoin price decrease and as a public service for the republic
1754216;1513697007;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i'm thick; what means 're-buying the re-up' ?
1754217;1513697013;danielpbarron;but if i'm gonna go down that road, shoulda bought 1k BTC for 1 USD. should have lived off ramen noodles for the last 7 years while i put all income into a wallet.dat
1754218;1513697057;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: not too late to do the latter, neh
1754219;1513697063;danielpbarron;well i spent 2 bitcoin on some FGs, then i bought 2 bitcoin. I should have kept all 4 bitcoin, right?
1754220;1513697093;asciilifeform;hell knows, asciilifeform takes every chance ( rare chances...) to buy coinz
1754221;1513697122;danielpbarron;it's unlikely i will ever have a fiat income again
1754222;1513697162;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: dunno, sounds like your fg dealership was and still is an effective device for converting btc into fiatola to buy bread, at slightly higher efficiency than otherwise
1754223;1513697169;asciilifeform;( given as you immediately refilled btc coffer )
1754224;1513697210;danielpbarron;depending on what time frame you look at, it's extremely lucrative
1754225;1513697223;danielpbarron;15 USD cost basis, sells for 200+ on eBay
1754226;1513697243;asciilifeform;aha, see.
1754227;1513697274;asciilifeform;folx still buyin' ?
1754228;1513697311;danielpbarron;i've got over 1k USD in sales in just a week, but the last auction finished with no bids
1754229;1513697334;danielpbarron;someone expressed interest in a gentoo laptop though, so that's my next eBay project
1754230;1513697483;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Have you thought about selling gentoo servers, specializing in easing the transition to Cuntoo?
1754231;1513697513;danielpbarron;yes, actually
1754232;1513697521;danielpbarron;i have those too
1754233;1513697571;BingoBoingo;What kind of hardware are you building those with? As ISP develops would be nice to know what a republican box builder is offering.
1754234;1513697572;danielpbarron;bought a bunch of things that asciilifeform mentioned. hp workstations with operteron cpus, ecc ram. got a bunch of 1 gig ssds etc
1754235;1513697648;BingoBoingo;Ah, have you outlined a box you can build arbitrary quantities off using off the shelf parts?
1754236;1513697649;danielpbarron;i'm working on a laptop now and of course my recipe doesn't work again. I'm gonna try cp -r'ing the distfiles in from a working box for the initial setup
1754237;1513697681;danielpbarron;i don't know about arbitrary quantities, i'm sure asciilifeform would say the price spikes if you try to buy more than 10
1754238;1513697723;BingoBoingo;Well, something you could produce 80 of, that's two racks
1754239;1513697857;danielpbarron;hey if any hardware distributor has that qty of the thing we want, i can probably afford to pay for it in bitcoin and recieve a pallet
1754240;1513697898;asciilifeform;1 gig ssd ?!
1754241;1513697901;asciilifeform;what's the use of a 1 gig ssd
1754242;1513697909;danielpbarron;err, 1 tb sorry
1754243;1513697912;asciilifeform;aaa
1754244;1513697928;BingoBoingo;It's something to look out for. Perhaps you could look into maximum desity apu traying too danielpbarron
1754245;1513698428;asciilifeform;btw asciilifeform will reveal that he found a 'new' (to him) and very spiffy type of amd g-series box , suitable for trb and similar
1754246;1513698451;asciilifeform;'wyse' made a series of gui-terminals , but with sata disk , fanless , based on very similar mobo to 'pcengines'
1754247;1513698467;asciilifeform;they are widely sold as surplus today, about fiddybux ( naturally diskless )
1754248;1513698485;asciilifeform;4 core @ 1.5G , 4G ram , dc brick included.
1754249;1513698495;asciilifeform;some floating about that go to 1.7.
1754250;1513698542;asciilifeform;GB nic.
1754251;1513698572;asciilifeform;this is afaik the cheapest amd64 box 'bang for buck', currently around.
1754252;1513698647;asciilifeform;and 4G typically suffices to run trb 'year-round'.
1754253;1513698758;BingoBoingo;Interesting
1754254;1513699161;phf;recent gpgme doesn't build with gnupg@1.4 out of the box
1754255;1513699247;mircea_popescu;iirc they even said they're breaking it.
1754256;1513699272;mircea_popescu;a few months after we standardized it (and without reference, OF COURSE)
1754257;1513699453;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754158 << if only. he has a point, they're not all the same thing.
1754258;1513699453;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 14:39 asciilifeform: the differences are not in that some have roaches and others mice, no.
1754259;1513699867;asciilifeform;!#s gpgme
1754260;1513699868;a111;44 results for "gpgme", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gpgme
1754261;1513699903;*;asciilifeform never used it
1754262;1513699978;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1754263;1513700473;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754144 << misstated. "a coin has been ~spent~". obviously it was minted whenever the fuck the possibility of having the item appeared, which is probably before the big bang.
1754264;1513700473;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 06:18 mircea_popescu: but yes, this comes with the necessity of considering eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751602 as "a coin has been minted" ; i don't see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753931 as anything other than an abstract rendering of the exact practical reality
1754265;1513700521;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754172 << why not ? great boating area, either you or girl ever saw uruguay ?
1754266;1513700521;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 14:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: possibly, but it dun make sense for just 1
1754267;1513700557;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754176 << holy shit what!
1754268;1513700557;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 14:46 BingoBoingo: Do remember if you choose to stay in my hostel to bring clothes you don't mind burning later porque los chinches de cama
1754269;1513700564;mircea_popescu;almost like living in silicon valley!
1754270;1513700604;phf;perhaps we can get g_l to move there
1754271;1513700611;shinohai;Except the pests are actual insects
1754272;1513700816;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754215 << there's always a better path through history with retrospective power.
1754273;1513700816;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 15:21 danielpbarron: glad i replaced them but to be perfectly honest i'd have been better off keeping both the bitcoin spent while also buying the re-up. I justify it as a hedge against possible bitcoin price decrease and as a public service for the republic
1754274;1513700866;mircea_popescu;other than the "hey, i spent like 100k usd for these cufflinks" lulz, there's also "hey, this slavegirl who was doing basic training made like 100 btc freelancing in 2012. so i'm today ~2mn usd richer because owning obedient slut."
1754275;1513700895;mircea_popescu;what am i supposed to say now, "if only i had five more and pushed them harder, i could buy a las vegas casino ?"
1754276;1513701010;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754228 << ahaha epic.
1754277;1513701010;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 15:28 danielpbarron: i've got over 1k USD in sales in just a week, but the last auction finished with no bids
1754278;1513701022;mircea_popescu;apparently shit asciilifeform makes sells ok, for just as long as it isn't him selling.
1754279;1513701075;asciilifeform;lol
1754280;1513701199;asciilifeform;tho gotta point out, every single unit sold to date was first 'him selling'
1754281;1513701205;asciilifeform;and only then wherever.
1754282;1513701211;mircea_popescu;:p
1754283;1513701246;asciilifeform;in other noose, raid cards work.
1754284;1513701517;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754265 << haven't yet seen uruguay, nope. but also haven't yet a boat.
1754285;1513701517;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754172 << why not ? great boating area, either you or girl ever saw uruguay ?
1754286;1513701538;mircea_popescu;can rent
1754287;1513701545;asciilifeform;troo!
1754288;1513701562;mircea_popescu;best way, as per teh older discussion re your newly discovered interrest in boats.
1754289;1513701585;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu quickly figured out, asciilifeform's interest in boats is of a very peculiar kind, and not simply because he likes water.
1754290;1513701629;asciilifeform;( and i concede the point to mircea_popescu , boat prolly does not work for the contemplated use , in the general case )
1754291;1513701637;mircea_popescu;which is my point, your interest in women consists of dreaming succubi.
1754292;1513701667;*;asciilifeform pets succubus
1754293;1513701763;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754272 << traditional formulation is 'yesterday's lotto number'
1754294;1513701763;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 16:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754215 << there's always a better path through history with retrospective power.
1754295;1513701876;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754270 << i was about to say, 'i've nfi what d00d is still doing in usa' but then remembered he's 1legged nao
1754296;1513701876;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 16:23 phf: perhaps we can get g_l to move there
1754297;1513701916;asciilifeform;going on 1leg is slow. esp if you have nfi that you oughta be going somewhere, and doped to 11.
1754298;1513701991;asciilifeform;i also wonder whether gabriel_laddel ever considered vegas. it has slightly better odds than sv nonsense, and with fewer pounds of flesh required as table stake
1754299;1513702138;shinohai;Is it just coincidence that asciilifeform pets succubus and diana_coman enters, or ..... ?
1754300;1513702142;phf;hmm, re differ, we're basically nuking all "ignore" functionality, since from hash to hash..
1754301;1513702167;asciilifeform;lol shinohai , will confess, asciilifeform never once met diana_coman
1754302;1513702193;asciilifeform;phf: 'ignore', 'merge', anything pertaining to either
1754303;1513702212;asciilifeform;a patch either applies cleanly or something is Very Wrong
1754304;1513702297;asciilifeform;elsewhere, asciilifeform contemplates , of what is made the black soot that one finds inside servers. wish i still had where to gc/ms...
1754305;1513702299;phf;yeah, but killing obviously bad code is so much easier then killing a not bad code that you don't need
1754306;1513702328;asciilifeform;phf: there's no place for 'merge' as a concept in a vtronic system.
1754307;1513702344;asciilifeform;sorta foundational.
1754308;1513702474;phf;that's true, though "ignore" functionality can still work. in fact nuking all that stuff means that i will still need a traditional differ for code manipulation
1754309;1513702567;phf;for example i have a set of patches that i've not had a chance to cleanup, that diff mp's addition on top of the released version of wordpress. that patchset could only by successfully produced by ignoring whitespace changes, and adding a handful of filters for cosmetic alterations
1754310;1513702603;mircea_popescu;phf ayup.
1754311;1513702670;mircea_popescu;phf the correct approach to this is pre-diff filtering masks.
1754312;1513702722;mircea_popescu;stuff like "two spaces after dot" vs "one space after dot" and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752560 do not, properly speaking, belong in diff.
1754313;1513702722;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 03:52 mircea_popescu does his usual s%\n\n%\r\r% s%\n% % s%\r\r%\n\n% while muttering underbreath about the idiocy of fucktards who STILL DON'T UNDERTAND NEWLINE STANDS FOR NEW PARAGRAPH!!11
1754314;1513702755;phf;right, or `indent'
1754315;1513702772;mircea_popescu;yes. but it is a conceptual failure on the part of diff that it presents these.
1754316;1513702781;mircea_popescu;when i diff i want to see what you changed, not what your editor changed.
1754317;1513702812;mircea_popescu;(editor, as in, the human person, not as in the "editor" ie ide)
1754318;1513702957;*;trinque awakes to see a trb node with wallet excised, synced to 200k
1754319;1513703142;mod6;o.O
1754320;1513703354;BingoBoingo; Except the pests are actual insects << Aha, persistent bugs, but yes. Can not fault them for following travellers.
1754321;1513703442;shinohai;Are pyrethrins legal there?
1754322;1513703490;trinque;mod6: this will probably end up being a separate branch. my needs with deedbot are diverging from "preserve grandfather's pistol".
1754323;1513703497;BingoBoingo;Yes, but packaging only lists active pesticide ingredients by family here. Not by particular active ingredient and percentage.
1754324;1513703507;mircea_popescu;trb-as for anti-sybil.
1754325;1513703534;trinque;yeah, I'm cracking the thing open for maximum external control.
1754326;1513703545;shinohai;That sucks, ou'll have to grow a fuckton of chrysanthemums and extract our own.
1754327;1513703551;trinque;and if I understand this "trickle" thing correctly, wtf, that's coming out. what privacy? blast my txn to everyone you know.
1754328;1513703564;mircea_popescu;early bootstrap is always ugly.
1754329;1513703600;mircea_popescu;and yes, the original holder threads were never meaningfully revisited. this is a 10yo suture wound with the first silks still attached.
1754330;1513703611;BingoBoingo;shinohai: The critters have numerous avenues for developing resistance to contact insecticides, so applying permethrins is typically an arms race. Hence leaning towards the imaclopramid solution.
1754331;1513703611;mircea_popescu;because hey, "core developers" too busy eating my asshole.
1754332;1513703756;BingoBoingo;Well did you bidet antes, despues, o ambos
1754333;1513703811;mircea_popescu;it's a metaphore!
1754334;1513703842;BingoBoingo;Metaphores can trasmit tastes!
1754335;1513704165;diana_coman;in "only 2 years later" but since I did not find otherwise in the logs an answer to mod6's question at http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-20#1139680 : that is simply the number of limbs, so a matter of size; since p and q are same size, it is fine there although arguably not helping the reader
1754336;1513704165;a111;Logged on 2015-05-20 00:29 mod6: take a look at this: http://dpaste.com/0SQPBKC.txt  Is there any reason when allocating the space for p & q to do Eulers totient they would initialize the space with 'p' and 'p', instead of 'p' & 'q'?
1754337;1513704204;mircea_popescu;bad coding altogether.
1754338;1513704213;mircea_popescu;in that it bakes metasyntaxis into the code.
1754339;1513704270;diana_coman;and in more recent lol-with-gpg: the primegen function in gpg allocates secure memory for candidate prime when generating for rsa BUT then it goes on and calls is_prime on that "n" and is_prime calculates and stores n-1 in ...insecure memory
1754340;1513704285;mircea_popescu;cheap "cleverness" of the male virginarium aka monastery ; in same vein see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499583
1754341;1513704285;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 14:37 mircea_popescu: fucking "take moar oestrogen" confucius & "wanna hear our inept teenage boyish oneupmanships" zeo-dan derps.
1754342;1513704308;asciilifeform;the 'secure memory' thing is entirely red herring imho. all it means is that it gets marked unswappable. but i dun have swap on any of my boxes, period.
1754343;1513704312;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, myeah, I suspect it's sloppiness, "but it's same thing"
1754344;1513704324;asciilifeform;ftr i dun plan to include 'secure memory'ism in ffa.
1754345;1513704347;asciilifeform;fuck swap.
1754346;1513704368;diana_coman;asciilifeform, it's fine to say no secure memory,sure; it's not fine to pretend it is used but then "use" it like in the example
1754347;1513704421;asciilifeform;koch wouldn't be koch if he did not write it like-so.
1754348;1513704457;asciilifeform;at one point asciilifeform planned to cut out the allocator from mpi entirely, but ditched whole thing before ever getting there.
1754349;1513704521;trinque;can't waste all the security anointing oil on one proggy. gotta save some for the rest of god's children!
1754350;1513704696;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754329 << ben_vulpes had pretty good likbez, http://cascadianhacker.com/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread
1754351;1513704696;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: and yes, the original holder threads were never meaningfully revisited. this is a 10yo suture wound with the first silks still attached.
1754352;1513704829;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754311 << this is how asciilifeform originally thought to make the file-moves thing, with the 'manifest', i.e. list of commands that get executed on the dataset pre-diff
1754353;1513704829;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 16:57 mircea_popescu: phf the correct approach to this is pre-diff filtering masks.
1754354;1513704835;asciilifeform;incl. mv, cp, tr/sed.
1754355;1513704897;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1754356;1513704902;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 18271.36, vol: 16334.75608486 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 17988.0, vol: 54696.77945933 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 18208.0, vol: 3801.41479341 | Volume-weighted last average: 18061.0283614
1754357;1513704917;asciilifeform;( who recalls the mircea_popescu tabs-spaces thread... )
1754358;1513704922;trinque;hm, dunno whether I want to execute someone's script during a press.
1754359;1513704925;*;diana_coman raises hand
1754360;1513704965;trinque;or at least, scripting would have to be severely limited, lest the thing become vthereum
1754361;1513704973;asciilifeform;trinque: sorta why i didn't particularly itch to go there
1754362;1513704987;trinque;aha
1754363;1513705015;asciilifeform;gets very ugly, very quickly.
1754364;1513705471;mircea_popescu;secure memory as a concept is actually pretty good, if implemented correctly. implemented as "not swapped" it's not useful, but if it were "untouchable by any other" it'd be useful.
1754365;1513705482;mircea_popescu;ofcoruse such a thing can not exist until we actually make tmsr-computer without dma
1754366;1513705496;mircea_popescu;so in this sense i agree "secure memory" on current iron is not worth bothering with.
1754367;1513705503;mircea_popescu;but the concept itself is sound.
1754368;1513705506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is only meaningful concept if whole machine.
1754369;1513705522;mircea_popescu;which yes, kock wouldn't be koch if he didn't live to try and befoul the tools of salvation through association with his turpitudes.
1754370;1513705561;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656782 << securememory.
1754371;1513705561;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 01:53 asciilifeform: now you store bit as ~phase~ of the square wave, rather than absolute steady state of the flipflop.
1754372;1513705565;mircea_popescu;women as in usg."women" and capitalism as in usg."capitalism" and "law" and so on forever.
1754373;1513705568;asciilifeform;i.e. guaranteed 0-remanence.
1754374;1513705609;asciilifeform;( and naturally 0 swapolade or any other 'transparent' copying of anything at all behind the operator's back, in the whole machine, goes without saying. )
1754375;1513705660;asciilifeform;( the long-time reader will observe that this contravenes http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231 . tough cookies, don't do crypto on box with transparent copying. )
1754376;1513705696;asciilifeform;sanity will involve a much greater degree of kitchen-toilet-separation than seen today.
1754377;1513705725;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754358 << entirely not what's contemplated here ; asciilifeform spurious overloading of the concept unwelcome.
1754378;1513705725;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 17:35 trinque: hm, dunno whether I want to execute someone's script during a press.
1754379;1513705755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plz expand then ?
1754380;1513705774;mircea_popescu;the way this'd work would be as a list of rules ("no two consecutive spaces" or whatever) which the sources are checked against BEFORE diffing. should the check fail the options are either to propagate the fail ("file x not in format" error) or else to autofix (which'd work via sed).
1754381;1513705799;mircea_popescu;exactly what the rules are is an open question, but basically the idea is to separate style from content in code.
1754382;1513705808;asciilifeform;i guarantee that the 'autofix' will break something, somewhere, at some point, in a difficult-to-detect way.
1754383;1513705821;mircea_popescu;which is something that was blunderingly and un-intelligently a red thread throughout coding ever since linux opened its eyes.
1754384;1513705829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform option is there. either fail or fix.
1754385;1513705831;asciilifeform;(e.g. python, fortran, elsewhere, have significant-whitespaces)
1754386;1513705851;mircea_popescu;for testing etc, fix i expect will be used. for publishing, i expect not.
1754387;1513705859;asciilifeform;not all failures are immediate/detectable before it costs a battleship.
1754388;1513705890;mircea_popescu;also -- if v breaks fortran then FORTRAN fixes itself.
1754389;1513705909;asciilifeform;and you will annihilate, e.g., ascii-art schematics, if you dictate e.g. 'no 2 spaces'
1754390;1513705912;mircea_popescu;the "backward compatibility" argument is no argument but a red herring. i will not break shit to match microsoft's sad history.
1754391;1513705923;asciilifeform;adding arbitrary talmudiana is what microshit is made of.
1754392;1513705925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you will.
1754393;1513706067;asciilifeform;i'm almost surprised that mircea_popescu hasn't yet thought of , e.g., anathemizing ascii in favour of own, arbitrary arrangement of alphabet, strictly for incompatibility's sake; or to proclaim the 17-bit byte...
1754394;1513706091;mircea_popescu;code is not natural language. code is a highly structured, deliberately limited-expressive form of language. what is said re http://trilema.com/2010/hai-sa-studiem-gramatica-impreuna/#selection-99.0-99.995 goes triple for code
1754395;1513706109;phf;asciilifeform: chuck moore did that though..
1754396;1513706118;asciilifeform;phf: afaik moore still uses ascii
1754397;1513706122;phf;nope.
1754398;1513706126;asciilifeform;neato.
1754399;1513706133;asciilifeform;what's he using, 5bit baudot?
1754400;1513706133;mircea_popescu;wait i thought you didn't like it.
1754401;1513706166;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i like breaking things when something is gained thereby.
1754402;1513706176;mircea_popescu;something IS gained thereby.
1754403;1513706176;asciilifeform;vs plain paint-the-grass-green.
1754404;1513706198;asciilifeform;what specifically ?
1754405;1513706205;mircea_popescu;i am NOT looking at difflists saying "and then special snowflake added a space and took out a tab"
1754406;1513706238;mircea_popescu;exactly re  ( who recalls the mircea_popescu tabs-spaces thread... )
1754407;1513706275;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu will probably enjoy 'p' syntax. char codes 0-32 and 128-255 do nuffin at all.
1754408;1513706284;mircea_popescu;"no other char than tab up until the first alphanum in each line" is a fine rule ; and if someone discovers that he can't press his homebrew let someone fix his homebrew.
1754409;1513706287;asciilifeform;(i.e. whitespace entirely insignificant.)
1754410;1513706292;mircea_popescu;no!
1754411;1513706312;mircea_popescu;that's the thing : the moment you have unconnected expression, which is to say \t = "    " you suddenly have the problem of style.
1754412;1513706330;asciilifeform;you solve the problem by beating people with a stick, who emit the shit style.
1754413;1513706333;asciilifeform;not with machine.
1754414;1513706334;mircea_popescu;just as soon as something "is ignored by the compiler", that something now has to be treated somewhere else.
1754415;1513706341;mircea_popescu;because you CAN NOT have such a thing as untreated item in code.
1754416;1513706354;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform machine is to take over stick from my hands in all domains.
1754417;1513706391;asciilifeform;it isn't untreated, it gets skipped. ( 'p' prototype in 'strict' mode will also stop and eggog if encounters a non-7bitclean char. which one can connect to a stick, to beat author of input )
1754418;1513706524;phf;asciilifeform: i've had a more detailed quote on the dead machine, but the less detailed equivalent is “I use my own 0-Z character set. It is a six bit character set. It only has upper case and there is no distinction between the letter "O" and zero.”
1754419;1513706536;asciilifeform;aa so teletype.
1754420;1513706564;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is the important, v-powered realisation here : there can NOT BE such a thing as bit-ambiguity in a source. if "this bit being either set or null has no effect" you have a problem, which must be addressed. because it sure as fuck isn't acceptabru to read diffs of style in a patch. patches are for substantive change.
1754421;1513706599;asciilifeform;a whitespace-agnostic diff would be a not-useless thing. problem is that hashes are not whitespace-agnostic, nor could ever safely be.
1754422;1513706611;phf;" I use space as a terminator and words execute immediately, there is no CR to mark the end of the line. There are no CRs, just space delimiters. I currently have BS and Delete. I would like to keep only two special keys, BS and a key to exit. I think I would prefer BS over Delete."
1754423;1513706614;trinque;heads towards ast-diff, and people have their presentation layer do whatever with the ast while coding.
1754424;1513706626;mircea_popescu;trinque i fear so.
1754425;1513706641;asciilifeform;we actually had the ast-diff thread, re phf's lisp diff lament.
1754426;1513706649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's unfortunate that hashes can't hash meaning, but then again we're stuck with babbage looking over one shoulder and turing over the other.
1754427;1513706650;trinque;the whitespace thing though is a fine cut of it, since the next step incurs orders of magnitude more complexity (parser per lang)
1754428;1513706667;mircea_popescu;trinque exactly my tho9ughts. "i don't want to go there. yet."
1754429;1513706670;asciilifeform;the closest we can prolly ask for to 'hash meaning' is sexpr/ast.
1754430;1513706685;asciilifeform;that's what linear array text is a cheap, impoverished hack approximation to.
1754431;1513706699;asciilifeform;ultimately everyone is really eating the ast.
1754432;1513706762;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem is that no, not really. everyone is eating the "cvasi-hulang description of a meta-ast then watching in trepidation what ast comes of it". as per that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753058
1754433;1513706762;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 02:05 mircea_popescu recalls somewhat fondly old days of "put the model in and wait a few hours for to find out how you fucked it up this time"
1754434;1513706778;mircea_popescu;but what we're diffingh and patching are properly speaking our own notes, not the asts.
1754435;1513706845;asciilifeform;right. but the 'source' in yer head is, really , an ast, whether you end up hitting space 1ce or 3ce when you end up entering the text. and likewise when i read it, it gets reparsed into ast.
1754436;1513706847;phf;the ast direction moves away from patches as literature (which is i think what mp is saying from a different direction?)
1754437;1513706859;asciilifeform;phf: literature is entirely representable as explicit ast
1754438;1513706884;mircea_popescu;it is an open and complicated q of whether what's in your head is an ast.
1754439;1513706907;mircea_popescu;phf patches are in fact literature, yes.
1754440;1513706929;mircea_popescu;and "asciiart" is imo the wrong direction to take at the "asciiart or literate code" fork in the road.
1754441;1513706939;asciilifeform;whether it 'is' in fact ast, or merely representably as one with 0 loss, is the open q afaik
1754442;1513706950;mircea_popescu;and the whole arguments with alphabets and alf's perennial "but i r creative speshul snowflake, must has hyeroglyphs"
1754443;1513706965;asciilifeform;there ain't actually any orc glyphs in my patches tho
1754444;1513706966;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if people thought in asts it'd be computers programming them.
1754445;1513707005;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting to hear how mircea_popescu would represent e.g. the fg schematic, in ideal vtron.
1754446;1513707029;mircea_popescu;svg ?
1754447;1513707033;asciilifeform;ugh
1754448;1513707037;asciilifeform;that's not humanreadable.
1754449;1513707045;mircea_popescu;"svg". the thing that svg should have been.
1754450;1513707046;asciilifeform;may as well represent as hexdump of jpeg.
1754451;1513707050;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1754452;1513707090;asciilifeform;much as i like sexpr, a sexpr dump of a vector drawing is not humanreadable either. at least not with my puny brain, i have nfi, perhaps mircea_popescu can render these in his head as he reads'em ?
1754453;1513707118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a specious argument ; "o noes, little em impulses on a platter are nor readable with my puny fingers"
1754454;1513707136;asciilifeform;if i can't read it with eyes -- it may as well be a uuencode, neh
1754455;1513707138;mircea_popescu;you use machinery to turn data to comfortable representation ; the "human readable" is not about "being able to stuff my dick in power socket".
1754456;1513707140;asciilifeform;how is that speciousargument
1754457;1513707167;mircea_popescu;it's about having http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753454
1754458;1513707167;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 16:33 mircea_popescu: trinque can you run  on a dataset composed of log link references / nick references ?
1754459;1513707182;mircea_popescu;where i can change the DISCRETE data bits independently ; as well as their adnotation.
1754460;1513707183;asciilifeform;this thread is incidentally pretty great , it is exactly the one from 2016 but with the sides switched. ( earlier it was mircea_popescu who insisted -- in the orig 'clearsigning' thread -- on human-eye-readables )
1754461;1513707196;mircea_popescu;for signed matter ; as an exception.
1754462;1513707221;phf;i supper proper presentation of fg schematics in a v-tron is either in the style of the marine chronometer book i have next to me or not at all. "taking first the essentials, c is the escape wheel. the escapement consists of the bar E, carrying the two projections e, e' etc". everything else ought to be handled separately
1754463;1513707232;mircea_popescu;nobody will EVER find themselves in the situation of BOTH a) hurr durr, i am at leisure now let me make a patch and b) o noes, i am in distress now, can not run basic machinery.
1754464;1513707246;mircea_popescu;whereas when it comes to clearsigned matter, you CAN find yourself in a b and a is not applicable.
1754465;1513707249;asciilifeform;unlike http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg fella , asciilifeform cannot actually read 7bit ascii without a machine tool either
1754466;1513707273;asciilifeform;so i have no argument against 'must use mechanical renderer to read/modify, and we'll use this-here interchange format'
1754467;1513707358;asciilifeform;so long as the format is actually well-defined, and doesn't require whole world to be bent around it at infinite cost
1754468;1513707373;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1754469;1513707397;mircea_popescu;phf what is the problem with svg ?
1754470;1513707409;mircea_popescu;would you say graph as extant on wot.deedbot is not patch-ready ?
1754471;1513707441;mircea_popescu;guy could actually publish the item as a succession of patches, and speaking of this : hey trinque, could you be enticed to actually genesis that item, and patch it weekly ?
1754472;1513707498;trinque;could sure; I'd have to inspect the svg and see if it's readable. it's coming out of graphviz.
1754473;1513707509;asciilifeform;why wouldn't you vtronify the most parsimonious representation of an item that you have, though
1754474;1513707518;mircea_popescu;either one special key or one new key each week, as you feel like.
1754475;1513707518;asciilifeform;in this case, the input and the generator for the plot
1754476;1513707535;mircea_popescu;but the idea is, getting an automated patch process going may throw a different light on this whole thing and turn out most informative.
1754477;1513707543;trinque;certainly.
1754478;1513707545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to see what happens.
1754479;1513707570;mircea_popescu;this isn't for going to war with ; this is for checking out the tool(s) with.
1754480;1513707581;asciilifeform;out of curiosity, how big is the expanded item ?
1754481;1513707592;mircea_popescu;1e4 kb sorta thing
1754482;1513707604;mircea_popescu;im sorry. 1e4 B sorta thing.
1754483;1513707627;phf;mircea_popescu: i think the differ and rendered for the ~diffs~ is significantly different from what our current foundation is. so in principle i don't see an issue with svg, as long as you can get the ~diff~ out of the vpatch itself, rather than say, pressing original, pressing new and then eyeballing the differences.
1754484;1513707638;asciilifeform;curl http://wot.deedbot.org | wc -m
1754485;1513707643;asciilifeform;558033
1754486;1513707652;asciilifeform;half a MB
1754487;1513707657;mircea_popescu;o wow, check that out, almost 1e6 yea
1754488;1513707687;mircea_popescu;phf either i'm not understanding what a .vpatch is or wut ?
1754489;1513707706;mircea_popescu;how do you go from state to state other than through a diff/patch ?
1754490;1513707824;phf;you don't necessarily need to go from state to state, you can understand the nature of change by  reading the vpatch
1754491;1513707839;asciilifeform;( in re svgism, did everyone present at some point read henderson's orig. graphics article ? from 1980 iirc )
1754492;1513707843;mircea_popescu;but the entirety of what vpatch is, is "here's what changed from node x to node y"
1754493;1513707863;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty sure, yea.
1754494;1513707883;asciilifeform;ok good.
1754495;1513707896;phf;right
1754496;1513707960;trinque;asciilifeform: link for teh poor youfs?
1754497;1513708012;asciilifeform;trinque: http://www.frank-buss.de/lisp/functional.html is modern rewrite , the original (linked) is an ancient pdf.
1754498;1513708019;trinque;ty
1754499;1513708028;asciilifeform;and ahahah dead link,
1754500;1513708029;mircea_popescu;phf was your idea that "well maybe you just don't have a very clear picture of what x was in the first place, gotta press to it" ? ie, accumulating mental errors over the patch flow to GET TO x ?
1754501;1513708037;asciilifeform;https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/257577/1/funcgeo2.pdf << the orig, i think
1754502;1513708175;phf;also has nice treatment in e.g. sicp
1754503;1513708181;asciilifeform;and elsewhere.
1754504;1513708211;asciilifeform;and in old thread mircea_popescu observed that it is almost same idea as in earlier 'postscript' .
1754505;1513708233;mircea_popescu;there was some discussion as to the history of typographical ideas in the log somewhere
1754506;1513708261;asciilifeform;there was. subj goes back many decades.
1754507;1513708266;*;mircea_popescu was doing typography at some point, did some reading on the scholarlity of it.
1754508;1513708269;asciilifeform;( re phototypesetter etc )
1754509;1513708284;asciilifeform;'analogue gpu'
1754510;1513708300;asciilifeform;'set this-here bit to change the lens to such-...'
1754511;1513708316;mircea_popescu;aha.
1754512;1513708347;phf;mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that was my idea :) restating what i'm trying to say is that i can derive meaning out of vpatch by reading it, but i'm not sure i can likewise derive meaning out of a svg diff by simply reading it. i suppose the assumption here is that svg was produced and edited by computer means, where imposing meaning on the sequence of modifications is not the primary (and often tricky) concern
1754513;1513708371;mircea_popescu;the assumption here is on the meaning of "meaning"
1754514;1513708397;mircea_popescu;yes you can derive meaning, and of the exact same kind in both cases. but you flatter yourself with that kind being "true meaning" in the first case because you can, and you can't in the second so you don't.
1754515;1513708417;asciilifeform;imho this goes right back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754465 ; thread is really about what is the minimal expected tooling
1754516;1513708417;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 18:14 asciilifeform: unlike http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg fella , asciilifeform cannot actually read 7bit ascii without a machine tool either
1754517;1513708423;mircea_popescu;people read the same bit of code 500 times and still miss the EVIDENT bounds error.
1754518;1513708436;mircea_popescu;just like you can read the svg and miss the EVIDENT implication.
1754519;1513708527;phf;break out that rule paper and work out the graphics like a man
1754520;1513708537;mircea_popescu;you DO that with code yes ?
1754521;1513708542;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform can read hexdump of x86 , mostly without hiccuping, and mircea_popescu prolly can read pdp11 oct dump, but yet for some reason folx pass around sources...
1754522;1513708549;mircea_popescu;"no i don't need to" "why do you think this ?" "stop bothering me, troll."
1754523;1513708613;asciilifeform;( remember when having an asmer/disasmer on a micro was uncommon ?? )
1754524;1513708644;asciilifeform;'why do you need this, just peek, poke'
1754525;1513708673;asciilifeform;http://sasq.comyr.com/Stuff/Elektronika/6502_Opcodes_Table.png << oblig.
1754526;1513708711;phf;well, that goes back to the meaning question. with code i don't get ascii codes as ints and then have to paper out the actual text before i can work out meaning. in fact what i do put on paper is almost never related to the written code itself. in the case of mechanical graphics though, my first step is ascii-to-characters
1754527;1513708719;mircea_popescu;this is no small matter. consider http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754339 ; or for that matter http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749509
1754528;1513708719;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 17:24 diana_coman: and in more recent lol-with-gpg: the primegen function in gpg allocates secure memory for candidate prime when generating for rsa BUT then it goes on and calls is_prime on that "n" and is_prime calculates and stores n-1 in ...insecure memory
1754529;1513708719;a111;Logged on 2017-12-11 20:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw I read it as in went through it line by line and with pencil and paper; ran it too at the end, played a bit around with tests and that; and since we are at this, nitpick: in FZ_Swap why T:=X if already initialised at declaration or what am I missing of Ada in there?
1754530;1513708729;mircea_popescu;woman just announced she found an allocated and unused mpi in mpi.
1754531;1513708742;asciilifeform;it ain't in mpi
1754532;1513708751;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's cut of mpi did not include primegen or rsa.c
1754533;1513708754;mircea_popescu;it is a very naive notion this, "i don't need to, i understand". you, odds aren, don't, and this isn't something to be ashamed of.
1754534;1513708760;asciilifeform;(nitpick)
1754535;1513708762;mircea_popescu;merely to be guarded against.
1754536;1513708840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this goes all the way to the fact that we dun actually ~understand~ rsa ( in that there is no proof that you ~must~ factor to break ; or what the complexityclass of factoring is )
1754537;1513708856;asciilifeform;troo capital-letter Understanding is a rare bird.
1754538;1513708877;mircea_popescu;right.
1754539;1513708887;mircea_popescu;hence, nothing to be ashamed of. but ALSO can't just pretend it ain't there lalala.
1754540;1513708925;mircea_popescu;phf so i take it you much preferred classical to analytical geometry in school ?
1754541;1513708976;asciilifeform;soldier isn't asked to pretend that enemy mg nest 'dun exist'. but he isn't given the option of not advancing 'because futile anyway'.
1754542;1513708978;phf;i think you're trying to cut with a broad sword, where scalpel is required
1754543;1513708978;*;mircea_popescu will confess his interest in geometry during school was ~nil up until functional analysis finally morphed it in, at which point WOW! geometry is cool!!
1754544;1513709008;mircea_popescu;or maybe we've lost track of what we're arguing here. what's the argument ?
1754545;1513709044;asciilifeform;'what kind of constraint difftrons may impose' ?
1754546;1513709059;mircea_popescu;i thought it was merely whether they can impose constraint at all.
1754547;1513709082;phf;your argument is that careful work aids in understanding, my argument is that when a computer spits out 30mb svg, it's not any kind of understanding to repeat computers work by hand to recreate that svg
1754548;1513709083;asciilifeform;the current one definitely constraints ( 7bit ascii; no ---/+++ ; possibly others )
1754549;1513709099;asciilifeform;pointedly, no moves/copies (without considerable cost) , which spawned the thread
1754550;1513709106;mircea_popescu;phf i thought i said explicitly the proposed patching of svg is merely TO TEST the patching system from a diff perspectrive.
1754551;1513709128;phf;mircea_popescu: no no, unrelated to the current actual svg experiment
1754552;1513709152;mircea_popescu;ye, here we have regular (this is important) and high volume (also important) hose. and people do irregular (not just as time) and low volume, so this is categorically differentiable from all other patches.
1754553;1513709155;mircea_popescu;ah.
1754554;1513709190;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "no ---/+++" went away in discussion last round, when phf's notational view prevailed
1754555;1513709197;asciilifeform;right
1754556;1513709204;mircea_popescu;phf then related to what ?
1754557;1513709206;asciilifeform;i was referring to classical unixdiff
1754558;1513709222;mircea_popescu;yeah, we're three people talking three disjunct things here. let's come to common ground.
1754559;1513709224;asciilifeform;( which is still in use on my boxen, for lack of a ready replacement )
1754560;1513709240;asciilifeform;i'ma brb, try with 2people
1754561;1513709478;mircea_popescu;as to the narrowed down " it's not any kind of understanding to repeat computers work by hand to recreate that svg" << it may not be. but it may well be. the fundamental problem with "time can be but wasted" is that there are no categorical cuts available. spinoza polished lenses and miller worked for the cosmoccocic company. deciding aforehand what tractor work is worth doing by hand is notoriously and to this day the chief
1754562;1513709478;mircea_popescu;and unresolved problem of management.
1754563;1513709527;mircea_popescu;allll the way down to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752635
1754564;1513709527;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 05:49 mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
1754565;1513709761;phf;mircea_popescu: i think that's when one of those arguments where poking at it we discover there's no any substantial disagreement. i think we're thinking of same thing but from slightly different direction. i was thinking whatever we come up with for graphics will still have a gui interface, where one can use a mouse, etc. to lay out and modify objects. in that case and given existing models a diff will produce a lot of mechanical noise, which is accid
1754566;1513709761;phf;ental to understanding. if on the other hand the language we make is designed to be authored by hand, and is authored lightly assisted by tooling, then there's opportunity and a kind of cognitive pull for the author to make the changes as meaningful as possible. i'm basically ok with working somewhere on that spectrum, but i was preemptively ranting against the kind of patches that communicate nothing but accidental floating point jitter of the graphic
1754567;1513709761;phf;, or whatever else of that nature
1754568;1513709793;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1754569;1513709817;mircea_popescu;a large portion of what's being studied there is just how feasible a "quiet" producer of svg is
1754570;1513709838;mircea_popescu;because obviously fp jitter & c will drive every human up the wall. but then again having the generator not generate it prolly requires work. and so on.
1754571;1513709869;asciilifeform;does svg permit polar coords ?
1754572;1513709875;mircea_popescu;but the general problem, "how polluting machine genreators HAVE to be and how would they not be" is a very important point
1754573;1513709892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform would be useful in thatparticular application fo sho.
1754574;1513709892;asciilifeform;( if not -- try and change size of the circle in the plot, 'quietly'... )
1754575;1513709910;mircea_popescu;nah, any frame changes would be ~new genesis practically.
1754576;1513709937;asciilifeform;if so, that's pretty brittle.
1754577;1513709941;mircea_popescu;anyway. while neither pressing nor essential, these are important considerations. we see.
1754578;1513710216;mircea_popescu;more importantly : these are things which were never discussed publicly, nor does there exists this system where "ideal pollution of machinery is attemptedly measured to be reduced".
1754579;1513710228;mircea_popescu;if this was ever discussed at all, it was discussed thrity years ago at parc or w/e.
1754580;1513710236;BingoBoingo;In other pressing but not essentials: The fellow at the datacenter meeting confirmed my suspicions, I have seen few Argentinos in Montevideo porque Argentina es un pais pobre.
1754581;1513710700;phf;mircea_popescu: yeah, MIT/symbolics concerned themselves with these things too (the whole "presentation" concept is that of a entity that's equivalent between code, internal presentation and inline rendering)
1754582;1513710728;mircea_popescu;aha. it's inescapable in sufficiently advanced programming ecosystems
1754583;1513710767;mircea_popescu;but note that while we have the web log, mit didn't.
1754584;1513710770;asciilifeform;parc in particular dug into the ast thing
1754585;1513710778;asciilifeform;but afaik never got farther than the structure-editor
1754586;1513710783;mircea_popescu;and "here's what i remember of what phf and alf said 15 to 45 years ago" is not nearly the same thing
1754587;1513710805;asciilifeform;nobody had anything like thel0gz, or v.
1754588;1513710931;mircea_popescu;(there's a major but poorly understood and never discussed advantage of the log, in that it empowers my very "eccentric" except fundamental "i don't remember any names" [ http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704118 and http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/#footnote_0_76425 both references] : by being released from the need to preserve history myself, i can radically cut items which empowers heuristics not otherwise acc
1754589;1513710931;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 21:32 mircea_popescu: in any case ; i am notorious for a very poor memory, including complete inability to remember say actresses names.
1754590;1513710932;mircea_popescu;essible to the man captive in "either you remember it AS IT WAS or IT IS LOST FOREVER!!")
1754591;1513710959;mircea_popescu;so this, i would count, as the foremost and most notable application of tractor to IA. logs.
1754592;1513710997;mircea_popescu;and why i didn't come to the same conclusion as alf, "more memory is better". not for me, i have enough for what i use it for.
1754593;1513711037;asciilifeform;meat memory is cache.
1754594;1513711058;mircea_popescu;right.
1754595;1513711115;asciilifeform;if all yer workingsets fit in yer cache -- thank molloch, sure , no cause for complaint.
1754596;1513711124;mircea_popescu;aha.
1754597;1513711144;mircea_popescu;blessings are often discovered by accident.
1754598;1513711264;mircea_popescu;anyway, the recently linked kay interview struck me as exactly this : "check out the retarded monkey, discussing 1960s ex memoria. no wonder he sounds like an idiot"
1754599;1513711271;mircea_popescu;because yes, alan kay sounded like a fucking idiot.
1754600;1513711343;asciilifeform;d00d did 100% of his useful output in 1960s-70s.
1754601;1513711350;mircea_popescu;and on napkin paper.
1754602;1513711356;asciilifeform;nah
1754603;1513711362;asciilifeform;but , importantly , nuffin since
1754604;1513711377;mircea_popescu;no but look. how the fuck can anyone at mit even stand, or for that matter sleep at night. WHERE IS THE LOG
1754605;1513711379;asciilifeform;who was it, napoleon, 'if only there were a bullet here for me, i will be remembered as a great hero'
1754606;1513711389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cannonball, in moscow.
1754607;1513711403;asciilifeform;aaah!!
1754608;1513711404;asciilifeform;yes
1754609;1513711409;mircea_popescu;guy was grandomanious enough, bullet insufficient.
1754610;1513711459;*;asciilifeform sings, '...Die Musketenkugel macht ein kleines rundes Loch Die Kanonenkugel macht ein viel grösseres noch...'
1754611;1513711492;mircea_popescu;"and if everyone had a fucking log where the fuck would mit ever find space to pretend it matters"
1754612;1513711547;asciilifeform;otoh kpss had a log. didn't help
1754613;1513711567;mircea_popescu;who ?!
1754614;1513711572;asciilifeform;( not so many yrs ago, their olgl0gz were finally printed , e.g. hruschev's sessions , a little bit interesting to archaeologists )
1754615;1513711585;mircea_popescu;oh oh. i was thinking the statistics test
1754616;1513711590;asciilifeform;lolno, the other kpss.
1754617;1513711598;asciilifeform;ck-kpss.
1754618;1513711620;mircea_popescu;it's a good open question this, "go research and answer why ck-kpss log did not work for them"
1754619;1513711636;mircea_popescu;possibly DID work, for that matter -- surely lasted longer than first socialism.
1754620;1513711644;asciilifeform;possibly because плохому танцору яйца мешают (tm)(r)
1754621;1513711676;mircea_popescu;lol
1754622;1513711697;asciilifeform;but pre-mechanization log is of quite limited use compared to current item.
1754623;1513711704;mircea_popescu;or as in romanian, "spune-i lu' ma-ta sa nu se mai futa beata"
1754624;1513711713;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1754625;1513711738;asciilifeform;( 90+% of utility of log is... search )
1754626;1513711751;mircea_popescu;60% or so. a good quarter is the reference-read.
1754627;1513711766;mircea_popescu;first system ever seen where the dead live amoing the living as a quite plainly factual matter.
1754628;1513711773;asciilifeform;the 'ancients' , notably, were obsessed with 'can haz search'. recall vannevar bush's elaborate 'steampunk' schemes for optical/analogue search in text
1754629;1513711778;asciilifeform;1940s
1754630;1513711781;mircea_popescu;yup
1754631;1513711810;asciilifeform;search was a holy grail. and plenty of folx were quite convinced that -- once 'can haz' search -- valhalla of intellectual 'ia' might
1754632;1513711823;asciilifeform;but яйца мешают , turned out
1754633;1513711828;mircea_popescu;sure. but i tell you, speaking dead is another major.
1754634;1513711871;asciilifeform;all writing is for speaking dead. ( even before properly buried; arguably the asciilifeform of 3yr ago is every bit as dead as his ancestors)
1754635;1513711894;mircea_popescu;yes, but without the line-reader they stay dead.
1754636;1513711899;asciilifeform;aha.
1754637;1513711919;asciilifeform;without reader, the gods themselves -- dead.
1754638;1513711932;mircea_popescu;goes right into discussion of memory above. memory of a different kind, more resistence-of-the-medium-y.
1754639;1513711977;asciilifeform;resistance of medium cuts both ways. iirc punctuation in 1200s (?) was slow to catch on, 'wastes parchment'
1754640;1513711982;asciilifeform;ditto spacing
1754641;1513712002;asciilifeform;'why wouldja do that, letters could go there'
1754642;1513712002;mircea_popescu;= was invented what, 17th century ?
1754643;1513712008;asciilifeform;aha
1754644;1513712020;asciilifeform;(descartes ? )
1754645;1513712030;mircea_popescu;and possibly absence of 0 (and it's later humiliation as O) comes from similar thought
1754646;1513712039;mircea_popescu;"why waste a spot for inexistent, 4 could go there"
1754647;1513712045;asciilifeform;0 , near as i can tell, was a genuine blind-spot
1754648;1513712082;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-04#436318 << "instead of wasting space for a nop, this improved cpu has two mults"
1754649;1513712082;a111;Logged on 2014-01-04 00:00 asciilifeform: re: 400: 'for your convenience, we have packaged the defective ones separately.'
1754650;1513712094;mircea_popescu;"it's important to avoid negativity"
1754651;1513712099;asciilifeform;lol
1754652;1513712100;mircea_popescu;!!up sonic3
1754653;1513712100;deedbot;sonic3 voiced for 30 minutes.
1754654;1513712105;sonic3;hi
1754655;1513712107;mircea_popescu;ello
1754656;1513712110;sonic3;thanks for the +v
1754657;1513712122;sonic3;i remember talking to you earlier this year
1754658;1513712128;sonic3;about running a full node
1754659;1513712133;mircea_popescu;!#s sonic3
1754660;1513712133;a111;2 results for "sonic3", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sonic3
1754661;1513712134;sonic3;something i saw on trilema
1754662;1513712138;mircea_popescu;different name ?
1754663;1513712144;sonic3;wasn't using this nickname
1754664;1513712154;sonic3;anyhow, that's not the point
1754665;1513712175;sonic3;i remember you said i should use a specific version of the node daemon
1754666;1513712183;sonic3;one that you were maintaining?
1754667;1513712189;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org
1754668;1513712205;mircea_popescu;i'm not maintaining it, the bitcoin foundation is, but anyway, sure.
1754669;1513712223;sonic3;think you can lend a hand to the build process if i get stuck?
1754670;1513712241;mircea_popescu;possibly ; or if not someone else might.
1754671;1513712250;asciilifeform;sonic3: there are at least 4 people here that will readily help. but you really oughta register with deedbot
1754672;1513712259;sonic3;that'd be greatly appreciated
1754673;1513712277;sonic3;i will immediately after i start the node tonight
1754674;1513712293;sonic3;thank you asciilifeform and mircea_popescu
1754675;1513712304;mircea_popescu;sure.
1754676;1513712305;asciilifeform;sonic3: care to say a little re who you are ?
1754677;1513712324;sonic3;i'm pretty secretive
1754678;1513712331;asciilifeform;it is good form to introduce yourself, as people usually do
1754679;1513712333;mircea_popescu;* sonic3 (5668bf07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.104.191.7) has joined #trilema <
1754680;1513712337;asciilifeform;romanistan ?
1754681;1513712341;sonic3;but when my ip will be ... yea
1754682;1513712362;sonic3;bucharest, romania
1754683;1513712391;mircea_popescu;aanyway.
1754684;1513712423;sonic3;yea, don't let me keep you, i feel like i've jumped into a bigger picture here
1754685;1513712434;sonic3;!#s andreicon
1754686;1513712435;a111;63 results for "andreicon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=andreicon
1754687;1513712447;sonic3;c'ya in 30 mins
1754688;1513712483;asciilifeform;!!key andreicon
1754689;1513712484;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/0791933111718EE32B7530422EAF8C142CB4FF7E.asc
1754690;1513712492;asciilifeform;hm alreayd registered... lost the key??
1754691;1513712533;sonic3;yesss
1754692;1513712537;mircea_popescu;i think his idea of "pretty secretive" was rather in the vein of http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/ ; ie would like to start over under a nerw identity.
1754693;1513712541;mircea_popescu;which... sure, whatever.
1754694;1513712545;sonic3;lost the hardware
1754695;1513712548;mircea_popescu;one's years are that one's to lose.
1754696;1513712568;asciilifeform;hey if d00d lost key -- he's stuck staying dead, or being reborn, as he picks.
1754697;1513712589;asciilifeform;sonic3: they haven't invented backups on yer planet, or wat
1754698;1513712609;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dja know what's 80% of "halp can't log into eulora anymore" ?
1754699;1513712622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: either that or forgot to plug in mains, lol
1754700;1513712625;mircea_popescu;"i resetted factory defaults"
1754701;1513712636;mircea_popescu;this notion of computing you're familiar with is not used in the tivoputer lands.
1754702;1513712662;asciilifeform;how do they even play, on their keyboardless nintendo
1754703;1513712681;mircea_popescu;laptops (BRAND!!1 ones) come with this magical "make it back".
1754704;1513712696;asciilifeform;this is old hat, it was orig a dell thing , reinstalls winblowz automagically
1754705;1513712701;asciilifeform;from 'seekrit' disk partit
1754706;1513712741;mircea_popescu;i imagine there's people out there regretting their wife doesn't come with a "reset factory defaults" button, and would be VERY shocked to discover i'd very much consider it a disaster, in the line of http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122812
1754707;1513712749;asciilifeform;can be a bitch to erase, too, often it's bios-locked in some underhanded way
1754708;1513712756;mircea_popescu;aha.
1754709;1513712790;asciilifeform;the comedic bit is that it helpfully reinstalls the branded keyloggers etc.
1754710;1513712794;mircea_popescu;yup
1754711;1513712817;asciilifeform;you wouldn't want chumper to install from cd ( they dun give'im a cd, in any event )
1754712;1513712886;asciilifeform;btw i once encountered an interesting artifact , from scrap dealer. it was a pci card made for orc 'web cafes', that took 2 ide snakes. each expected identical disk. twist : all ~writes~ went to the 'aux' snake. reads, first to aux, then to primary. and there was reset button.
1754713;1513712897;mircea_popescu;see, because cd then needs drm. this hdd partition thing is an improvement there.
1754714;1513712939;mircea_popescu;lol egyptian ide rom
1754715;1513712941;asciilifeform;aha
1754716;1513712972;asciilifeform;( winblowz, as most-everyone knows, won't boot off an actual read-only device. so these steampunk hacks. )
1754717;1513713027;asciilifeform;when asciilifeform found this piece of flotsam, he tried to requisition moar , from vendor, to use in shitware analysis farms ; no dice, defunkt.
1754718;1513713053;mircea_popescu;aaand in other "ancient trilema slavekeeping lulz", http://trilema.com/2012/in-care-taiem-in-carne-vie/
1754719;1513713073;*;asciilifeform has nfi what is used in modern orc cafes. maybe, nuffin at all; maybe, slave reinstalls weekly with bare teeth.
1754720;1513713097;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was in cafe last week. computer took 5 minutes and >12 warnings/popups to ... not load a page.
1754721;1513713110;mircea_popescu;this was not a boot. the machine was booted and firefox up. just, COULD NOT LOAD A PAGE.
1754722;1513713138;asciilifeform;lol!!
1754723;1513713141;phf;asciilifeform: nintendo, if nothing else, is a single purpose machine, for gaming, designed by the "salariman can have fun with family 13:00-15:00 sunday" japanese. imho preferable to tivo
1754724;1513713142;mircea_popescu;kaspiersky and av-something i forget both had advertisements up on the screen about how they're doing things.
1754725;1513713201;mircea_popescu;phf i rthought that was amiga.
1754726;1513713207;asciilifeform;phf: you remind me of asciilifeform's brother's reaction to being shown a vr headset , yrs ago. he spake thusly : 'it's better than two rusty nails on a rope'
1754727;1513713213;*;mircea_popescu confesses to unreliable ignorance on the topic.
1754728;1513713269;asciilifeform;naaah amiga was an actual comp
1754729;1513713282;asciilifeform;( beat the shit out of the 386, bang-for-buck, too )
1754730;1513713296;mircea_popescu;wasn't nintento the original winner of the ipod hunger games, where boys had one in pocket at all times ?
1754731;1513713311;BingoBoingo;They were
1754732;1513713312;mircea_popescu;but then apple targetted women and stole their cake because boys may hunt, but women reliably nest and that's that ?
1754733;1513713335;BingoBoingo;Well, problem was Nintendo mad their first ipods TOO robust, machines never died
1754734;1513713352;asciilifeform;there are plenty of working 8 and 16bit nintendoae, still to this day
1754735;1513713364;*;asciilifeform saw one recently
1754736;1513713373;mircea_popescu;hey, the 2010 ipad still works great for cutting carrots on
1754737;1513713378;asciilifeform;fanless, diskless, glassless, ~indestructible
1754738;1513713383;asciilifeform;lol
1754739;1513713413;phf;all this and more would've endeared tmsr to nintendo if not for the fact that nobody here plays anything but variations on Global World Domination Campaign Mode (Ultimate Strategy)!
1754740;1513713429;mircea_popescu;lol
1754741;1513713442;asciilifeform;phf: i actually considered cryptotron in form of a nintendo (or similar) cartridge.
1754742;1513713460;mircea_popescu;untrue! eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751876
1754743;1513713460;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 14:50 mircea_popescu: in case anyone's curious, the 20 bux was for encouraging the folk who made viking age, which is a quite passible browser game. sorta old warcraft style graphically, othertwise a tower defense married to the old bonbon "city development" azn thing.
1754744;1513713468;phf;there's also a special version for mp, where you can have a general avatar, who's a scantily clad elf babe
1754745;1513713470;asciilifeform;then failed to procure the box, or a usable display for such, and promptly stoppedconsidering
1754746;1513713489;asciilifeform;( and i dun like how ntsc screens radiate )
1754747;1513713750;phf;russian space program style you should also fit a MOD decoder into the last 27bytes of memory
1754748;1513713810;mircea_popescu;either that or a galois space functional whose results on odd numbers counting from 17 produces a picture of a naked woman sucking cock.
1754749;1513713911;asciilifeform;i'd be only mildly surprised if mircea_popescu revealed that he knew this function
1754750;1513713917;asciilifeform;and can compute using match sticks
1754751;1513713923;mircea_popescu;lol
1754752;1513713938;mircea_popescu;o shit, the matchsticks
1754753;1513713945;mircea_popescu;is that mindbender solved yet, btw ?!?!?!
1754754;1513713948;asciilifeform;i dun think phf was witness to the match trick
1754755;1513713955;mircea_popescu;ah huh.
1754756;1513713958;asciilifeform;dunlookatme, i didnt solve
1754757;1513713969;mircea_popescu;why not!
1754758;1513714011;asciilifeform;i still even have hanbot's 'proof of actually-having-known-the-number' sheet, pinned to wall
1754759;1513714015;asciilifeform;but -- notsolved.
1754760;1513714034;ben_vulpes;that fuckin thing
1754761;1513714042;asciilifeform;it was a bewilderingly great trick.
1754762;1513714047;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-22#634773
1754763;1513714047;a111;Logged on 2014-04-22 13:17 asciilifeform: a matchbox. push it, one side pops out, printed with answer!! 'CORRECT.'
1754764;1513714056;asciilifeform;that'd be other, asciilifeform's, matchbox.
1754765;1513714062;ben_vulpes;still not convinced that no hanky panky was involved
1754766;1513714066;mircea_popescu;not quite the same thing.
1754767;1513714076;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes being convinced would be homomorphism of having solved.
1754768;1513714087;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: all magic trick is 'hanky panky'
1754769;1513714107;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'magic trick' vs 'as yet unbroken cipher'
1754770;1513714113;asciilifeform;but recall, we did establish that it was a matter of matches, and not eye blinks.
1754771;1513714120;asciilifeform;nor foot taps.
1754772;1513714125;ben_vulpes;did we?
1754773;1513714127;asciilifeform;aha.
1754774;1513714135;*;asciilifeform remembers very well, the occasion.
1754775;1513714137;ben_vulpes;how was that established again
1754776;1513714143;asciilifeform;i could even find again this cafe in buenos aires.
1754777;1513714147;asciilifeform;if i were put there.
1754778;1513714181;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc : hanbot turned around
1754779;1513714196;asciilifeform;mod6 was there, saw
1754780;1513714218;asciilifeform;and mike_c, sat to my left , also saw ( where the hell is mike_c )
1754781;1513714234;ben_vulpes;rolling out radical piles of features at okcupid
1754782;1513714238;asciilifeform;ugh
1754783;1513714245;ben_vulpes;including (omg!!!1) keyword search
1754784;1513714267;*;asciilifeform recently demanded ( and was granted ) not to be listed in public document as author of $saecularwarcrime
1754785;1513714328;trinque;meh, folks are gonna make money where it's available, doesn't excuse avoiding the forum.
1754786;1513714372;asciilifeform;unrelatedly mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/in-care-taiem-in-carne-vie/#selection-409.32-409.858 is interesting.
1754787;1513714373;ben_vulpes;hey, life and wife and kids and job and commute and and and i can readily see how difficult it'd be
1754788;1513714375;asciilifeform;( whole thing , interesting )
1754789;1513714460;mircea_popescu;couldja read that ?
1754790;1513714501;asciilifeform;well yes, i did not randomly throw a knife at it, lol
1754791;1513714510;mircea_popescu;i was just trying to be helpful!
1754792;1513714527;asciilifeform;i wouldn't propose to translate it for public consumption, no
1754793;1513714605;mircea_popescu;but the gist being that "communism failed through misapplying force" is not an argument against application of force, it's an argument against giving anything, force, the time of day, to idiots aka socialists.
1754794;1513714849;asciilifeform;'Дай дураку топор' (tm)(r)
1754795;1513715443;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754565 <- hmmm, I'm certainly not one for graphics much, but tbh a graphical tool that results then in a lot of noise when diffing outputs sounds like a bad tool to me
1754796;1513715443;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 18:56 phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's when one of those arguments where poking at it we discover there's no any substantial disagreement. i think we're thinking of same thing but from slightly different direction. i was thinking whatever we come up with for graphics will still have a gui interface, where one can use a mouse, etc. to lay out and modify objects. in that case and given existing models a diff will produce a lot of mechanical noise, which is accid
1754797;1513715565;diana_coman;because basically I get to "choose" between: model it non-graphically and it's clear or use the "simpler" gui that makes it then 100 times harder to follow the changes; is that it or what am I missing there?
1754798;1513715704;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> o shit, the matchsticks << funny enough, was just thinking about this yesterday.
1754799;1513715801;phf;diana_coman: i believe the word spectrum is mentioned literally in the same rant
1754800;1513715861;phf;further down asciilifeform elaborates that even technically "noise" is not necessarily just a property of "bad tool", e.g. changing the radius of a circle in cartesian coordinates
1754801;1513716041;diana_coman;so more like how much mismatch between the two representations (diff vs tool graphical or otherwise) is tolerable given that this mismatch inevitably creates noise?
1754802;1513716329;phf;yes, i think so, though i will further add that's not question of just diff, but rather the mismatch between mechanical actions and serialization format in general (there's a lot of bad examples, like dreamweaver, word, etc. and i can't recall any good examples)
1754803;1513716505;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754140 << 6149
1754804;1513716505;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 06:09 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754013 << 11753, well that's enough for tonight
1754805;1513716522;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj!!
1754806;1513716561;ben_vulpes;how many lines of code did you kill today!
1754807;1513716648;asciilifeform;^
1754808;1513716677;phf;i should probably check if it still works..
1754809;1513716718;asciilifeform;lol
1754810;1513716766;asciilifeform;in other 'news' , holy FUQ a 24cpu box in small enclosed space is LOUD
1754811;1513716778;asciilifeform;( and not even at full gas )
1754812;1513718262;mircea_popescu;yes, actually, phf's formalization is prolly the natural schelling point here. "there's an impedance mismatch between procedurals and serializations and this needs care and feeding."
1754813;1513718284;mircea_popescu;this is not the ~whole~ problem, but certainly a pole.
1754814;1513718392;mircea_popescu;btw, happy half millionth block day!~
1754815;1513718471;mod6;^
1754816;1513718478;mod6;hey hey!
1754817;1513719885;danielpbarron;in other lols, i created an asset on that XCP counterparty thing years ago and i'm looking at it now. thing has a market cap over 1k USD and not only that, people have actually been trading it in the last half a year. some guy even has what the site claims is 800 USD worth
1754818;1513719920;BingoBoingo;lololololol
1754819;1513719930;danielpbarron;and i also apparently have ~800 USD worth of an asset called CAKE
1754820;1513719946;BingoBoingo; in other 'news' , holy FUQ a 24cpu box in small enclosed space is LOUD << other difference between old and new hall. New has better acousting dampening
1754821;1513719978;BingoBoingo;Old hall sound like Embraer 145 I took STL to Houston
1754822;1513720215;danielpbarron;hm, this site is hard to read, and i can't imagine this is actually correct, but my CAKE might be worth 3.3 BTC ...
1754823;1513721668;diana_coman;sounds like a very nice cake danielpbarron
1754824;1513722276;mircea_popescu;delicious cake ?
1754825;1513722633;shinohai;https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ripple/  <<< All these dorks throwing coin into XRP, which isn't even a proper crypto, just because coinbase is gonna partner with 'em or something.
1754826;1513722724;trinque;a fool and his money soon become a Lord's caek.
1754827;1513722934;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other elfs, http://78.media.tumblr.com/01f4d182c709e246425cabc56fd953a4/tumblr_ng5i8ciPJX1rjbi2lo1_1280.jpg
1754828;1513722987;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754820 << why wouldja care how loud in the dc hall ?
1754829;1513722987;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 21:45 BingoBoingo:  in other 'news' , holy FUQ a 24cpu box in small enclosed space is LOUD << other difference between old and new hall. New has better acousting dampening
1754830;1513723003;shinohai;^ moar delicious looking than caek, elves ....
1754831;1513723087;diana_coman;does anybody know precisely what function mpi_tdiv_q_2exp from "sane mpi" does exactly? as we were talking of understanding of code earlier
1754832;1513723168;asciilifeform;diana_coman: https://gmplib.org/manual/Integer-Division.html has the goodz. they renamed it , tho, mpz_tdiv_q_2exp .
1754833;1513723188;asciilifeform;9 out of 10 times you can find clue re what an mpiism was, by looking in'ere.
1754834;1513723198;asciilifeform;( replacing 'mpi' with 'mpz' )
1754835;1513723260;asciilifeform;( tldr : it's an arithmetical, i.e. sign-extending, right-shifter. )
1754836;1513723289;mircea_popescu;what happens if k=0 ?
1754837;1513723312;asciilifeform;what's k ?
1754838;1513723314;diana_coman;asciilifeform, what do you say the result should be when the count is 0 ? (k as mircea_popescu says)
1754839;1513723322;mircea_popescu;k, the counter.
1754840;1513723353;diana_coman;and even more to the point: what is the result in mpi sane?
1754841;1513723456;asciilifeform;work it out : limb_cnt will be 0 ; the inner if takes the 'else' branch; MPN_COPY_INCR(w->d, u->d , u->limbs ) is the resulting call
1754842;1513723457;diana_coman;so mpi_tdiv_q_2exp(result, number, 0)
1754843;1513723531;asciilifeform;MNP_COPY_INCR we find in include/mpi-internal.h , and is a straight memcpy-style copier.
1754844;1513723544;asciilifeform;so the thing will do what a human rightshifter does when given 0
1754845;1513723548;asciilifeform;( try it with mine, btw )
1754846;1513723549;diana_coman;so what do you say the result is, asciilifeform ?
1754847;1513723574;asciilifeform;result is , per my naked eye, that it doesnuffin
1754848;1513723581;asciilifeform;(i.e. what comes out is what was put in).
1754849;1513723599;diana_coman;so if I call it with result, number and 0
1754850;1513723619;diana_coman;at the end result will be what I put in aka number?
1754851;1513723631;diana_coman;because no, it's not; it's what I put in aka result
1754852;1513723655;asciilifeform;waitasec
1754853;1513723658;asciilifeform;check this out :
1754854;1513723672;asciilifeform;#define MPN_COPY_DECR( d, s, n ) \
1754855;1513723672;asciilifeform;    do {                                \
1754856;1513723672;asciilifeform;        mpi_size_t _i;                  \
1754857;1513723672;asciilifeform;        for( _i = (n)-1; _i >= 0; _i--) \
1754858;1513723672;asciilifeform;           (d)[_i] = (s)[_i];           \
1754859;1513723673;asciilifeform;    } while(0)
1754860;1513723677;asciilifeform;but :
1754861;1513723683;asciilifeform;#define MPN_COPY_INCR( d, s, n)         \
1754862;1513723685;asciilifeform;    do {                                \
1754863;1513723686;diana_coman;heh, I know
1754864;1513723687;asciilifeform;        mpi_size_t _i;                  \
1754865;1513723689;asciilifeform;        for( _i = 0; _i < (n); _i++ )   \
1754866;1513723691;asciilifeform;            (d)[_i] = (d)[_i];          \
1754867;1513723693;asciilifeform;    } while (0)
1754868;1513723698;asciilifeform;( apologies for clutter. ) wtf is (d)[_i] = (d)[_i]; ???
1754869;1513723708;asciilifeform;and, moar importantly , wai
1754870;1513723713;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I can tell you what it wants to be, lol
1754871;1513723731;diana_coman;it wants to be a straight copy
1754872;1513723742;diana_coman;because dividing n by 2^0 aka 1 means result should be n
1754873;1513723744;asciilifeform;this is prettygreat
1754874;1513723748;asciilifeform;what it is , is a noop
1754875;1513723758;diana_coman;but it doesn't work because i=0; i= 0; vs  _i < (n); is the point here.
1754881;1513723818;diana_coman;because it works around this specifically BUT without making it clear
1754882;1513723823;mircea_popescu;symmetry didn't work like teh author imagined it would.
1754883;1513723846;diana_coman;caller (primegn) in this case does a very weird thing - the one that actually GOT me into investigating and therefore finding this
1754884;1513723922;asciilifeform;hm?
1754885;1513723942;diana_coman;namely: it needs to calculate nminus1 / 2 ^ k but it does NOT call mpi_tdiv_q_2exp(result, nminus1, k)
1754886;1513723962;diana_coman;instead it does first copy(result, nminus1) and then mpi_tdiv_q_2exp(result, result, k)
1754887;1513723985;diana_coman;because k can be 0 and so it needs to initialize result with nminus1 before the call, just in case...
1754888;1513724049;mircea_popescu;an epic example of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-27#1530346 as there was ever had.
1754889;1513724049;a111;Logged on 2016-08-27 15:03 mircea_popescu: "if i make it what i think it should be it crashes"
1754890;1513724069;mircea_popescu;evolved software.
1754891;1513724091;asciilifeform;oh ffs
1754892;1513724125;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that utterance was originally from a former 'patient' of asciilifeform's
1754893;1513724130;mircea_popescu;aha.
1754894;1513724131;asciilifeform;verbatim. d00d actually said it, sadly
1754895;1513724133;asciilifeform;and lived it.
1754896;1513724144;mircea_popescu;evidently, not alone.
1754897;1513724195;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22think+it+should%22+crashes << i fished it out of search. but yes, reason it's in quotes is because it referenced the earlier original.
1754898;1513725127;asciilifeform;phunphakt : this yr's gentoo stage3 all include systemd (disabled, sure, but BINARILY PRESENT motherfuckers)
1754899;1513725377;trinque;aha, the rot is accelerating.
1754900;1513725396;*;trinque spent yesterday stepping a musl build from gcc 6 -> 5 -> 4
1754901;1513725573;trinque;asciilifeform: is this the systemdtronic udev, or whole shebang?
1754902;1513725598;trinque;if latter what of openrc, headed to the gallows?
1754903;1513725612;asciilifeform;ought to be specific -- it's the mere fact that a binturd of name 'systemd' is present.
1754904;1513725618;asciilifeform;it gets extracted when you untar.
1754905;1513725789;trinque;"eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
1754906;1513725803;*;trinque has eudev in his standard recipe
1754907;1513725803;asciilifeform;only eudev remains usable, aha
1754908;1513725814;asciilifeform;btw trinque is your recipe on www ?
1754909;1513725842;asciilifeform;i've been trying danielpbarron's ( which used , in turn, pieces of mine , which was merely a list of banned turds )
1754910;1513725878;trinque;exercise began when I went to run it, found parts no longer working due to mas futuro.
1754911;1513725884;asciilifeform;aa
1754912;1513725896;trinque;so now polishing and collecting *all* distfiles, will publish that when ready
1754913;1513725932;trinque;part of the exercise will be to get a statically linked adatronic gcc, with which to build gnat from inside the musl system.
1754914;1513725933;asciilifeform;very neato
1754915;1513725958;trinque;incidentally cuntoo is a fine name for a reproductive gentoo
1754916;1513725963;asciilifeform;naturally
1754917;1513725992;asciilifeform;!#s cuntoo
1754918;1513725993;a111;30 results for "cuntoo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cuntoo
1754919;1513726000;asciilifeform;^ curious when 1st popped up
1754920;1513726040;asciilifeform;hm only in july ? could've sworn was seen before.
1754921;1513726722;*;asciilifeform currently marveling re how much ~time~ , as well as space, is wasted in autoconf
1754922;1513726734;asciilifeform;it's srsly 99% of build time. and single-threaded.
1754923;1513727223;danielpbarron;my recipe is broken again. i'm currently testing a script i wrote that manually makes the ebuild digests based on files i have on already running machines
1754924;1513727247;danielpbarron;if this works, it should be a pill against all future shitkgnomery, but will requiring hosting about 2 gigs of files
1754925;1513727258;asciilifeform;that's notbad
1754926;1513727277;danielpbarron;please forgive my typos, not using the most ideal keyboard
1754927;1513727346;asciilifeform;funnily enuff the box i'm making nao, is destined to become (among other things) a cuntoo mirror.
1754928;1513727351;danielpbarron;and yeah let me add my support for the name "cuntoo"
1754929;1513727473;asciilifeform;btw i finally measured current at full throttle: 330W .
1754930;1513727562;trinque;danielpbarron: excellent re: preserving distfiles. I've got a few piles, bet asciilifeform has too
1754931;1513727599;asciilifeform;tbh i do wish we were using a bsd as the base
1754932;1513727628;danielpbarron;not out of question. i have the cds for versions 5.5 through.. 5.9 i think
1754933;1513727637;asciilifeform;but the results ( at least in asciilifeform's torture room ) have been disappointing, currently afaik nobody even knows why bdb ignores locks knob ( perma-hosing trb ) !! under bsd
1754934;1513727653;asciilifeform;!#s netbsd
1754935;1513727653;a111;223 results for "netbsd", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=netbsd
1754936;1513727663;*;trinque will keep a few unixes around, needn't marry only one
1754937;1513727666;danielpbarron;oh, i assumed openbsd
1754938;1513727672;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694342 << thread
1754939;1513727672;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 03:43 asciilifeform: my suspicion is that the bdb locks patch somehow has no effect when bdb built on netbsd
1754940;1513727683;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: do you have a depoetteringization recipe for openbsd ?
1754941;1513727686;trinque;ideally what we end up with is a ports tree that builds on more than one (sane!) system
1754942;1513727700;trinque;and then, can have one or more sane systems.
1754943;1513727713;asciilifeform;trinque: a separate q : can haz fully depythonized port system ?
1754944;1513727744;trinque;asciilifeform: openbsd is a tree of makefiles
1754945;1513727763;trinque;what made you balk previously was the lack of system-global fatwah against useflag, package, etc
1754946;1513727769;asciilifeform;aaaa yes
1754947;1513727774;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, no. i haven't used obsd for years. and by used i mean tried to install again
1754948;1513727804;asciilifeform;trinque: no banhammers -- it's a useless item
1754949;1513727920;asciilifeform;trinque: although, the end of the line in my eyes is : a fully deautoconfized set of packages.
1754950;1513727929;asciilifeform;but i dun expect to live to see this.
1754951;1513727955;trinque;aha, were I making my own ebuild/makefile/whatever for emacs, it simply *wouldn't have* dbus support and fuck you.
1754952;1513727959;trinque;no need for a useflag there
1754953;1513727962;asciilifeform;right
1754954;1513727977;asciilifeform;all useflags do is throw items into ./configure --blahblah...
1754955;1513727994;trinque;in this, I have (and it's trivial to) maintain own package makefiles which depend on other openbsd ports.
1754956;1513728043;*;trinque had a muntzed emacs port while sitting on obsd.
1754957;1513728057;asciilifeform;trinque: what didja end up having to change in it ?
1754958;1513728068;asciilifeform;just the dbus nonsense ?
1754959;1513728195;trinque;that, whatever else, don't recall now. sound maybe, other strange.
1754960;1513728200;asciilifeform;sound?!!
1754961;1513728270;ben_vulpes;if an email player, why not a music reader?!
1754962;1513728278;*;trinque now goes to ./configure --help to recall teh lulz
1754963;1513728343;trinque;gconf, gsettings, various image nonsense, pdf support, it goes on.
1754964;1513728354;asciilifeform;pdf?!
1754965;1513728375;asciilifeform;i dun remember any of this liquishit in vanilla emacs
1754966;1513728935;*;asciilifeform contemplates placing trb on ramdisk on this box
1754967;1513728948;asciilifeform;it'd... fit.
1754968;1513729104;asciilifeform;if the sync behaviour weren't so atrociously retarded, this'd be a pretty simple thing
1754969;1513729122;asciilifeform;lost power ? whocares, wait 20-30hrs while thing resyncs from nearby box
1754970;1513729131;asciilifeform;( in yer own fleet, naturally )
1754971;1513729147;BingoBoingo;No particular reason to care, but it's a detail to be noticed
1754972;1513729162;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if it takes 6months to resync -- i care
1754973;1513729172;asciilifeform;recall dulap-1 and its phuctor.
1754974;1513729187;asciilifeform;if enemy can cost you 6months by pulling yer plug -- expect plug to be pulled. weekly.
1754975;1513729217;asciilifeform;fact is, trb sync is ragingly retarded. as in , microshit-level.
1754976;1513729230;asciilifeform;i literally couldn't think of a worse algo.
1754977;1513729347;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Was re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754828 also a bit of awe there
1754978;1513729347;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 22:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754820 << why wouldja care how loud in the dc hall ?
1754979;1513729700;BingoBoingo;Not a very big space, not very big fans and yet...
1754980;1513729731;BingoBoingo;impressive song
1754981;1513729754;asciilifeform;dulap-III has only 4 fans, plus 5th in ps, none of'em any bigger than a 'D' battery. and yet sounds quite like shopvac at full blast.
1754982;1513729880;BingoBoingo;What kind of shopvac? they happen on a spectrum
1754983;1513729904;asciilifeform;the ordinary.
1754984;1513729974;BingoBoingo;Ordinary as in...
1754985;1513729993;BingoBoingo;2, 4, 32 hp?
1754986;1513730231;asciilifeform;2
1754987;1513730240;asciilifeform;!~calc 32*746
1754988;1513730242;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 32*746 = 23872
1754989;1513730246;asciilifeform;dat's a lotta watt
1754990;1513730272;asciilifeform;where do i get 1 of these ? it eats wat, 3phase ?
1754991;1513730282;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo had one ?
1754992;1513730339;*;BingoBoingo did not have, but heard rumblings such exist for mega dust extraction systems
1754993;1513730439;BingoBoingo;eats petrol
1754994;1513730546;BingoBoingo;Or my leg was doing pulled
1754995;1513731937;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1754996;1513731944;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16580.58, vol: 24446.40044085 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16564.0, vol: 74792.47914798 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16899.9, vol: 4642.31637987 | Volume-weighted last average: 16582.9127144
1754997;1513733247;mircea_popescu;!!up slacko_16322
1754998;1513733247;deedbot;slacko_16322 voiced for 30 minutes.
1754999;1513733865;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754868 << this wasnt finished. that thing does nuffin , regardless of the loop termination condition
1755000;1513733865;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 22:48 asciilifeform: ( apologies for clutter. ) wtf is (d)[_i] = (d)[_i]; ???
1755001;1513733891;asciilifeform;how did anything invoking this proc, ever work ??!
1755002;1513733925;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754912 << sorta-kinda on topic, i attempted a trb install in the field last week, was *thrilled* to discover curl doesn't ship with ubuntu 10.04 (?!)
1755003;1513733925;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 23:24 trinque: so now polishing and collecting *all* distfiles, will publish that when ready
1755004;1513733957;hanbot;did a cursory look for republican utils package, found nothing, huffed off in frustration.
1755005;1513733985;asciilifeform;pretty sure that mod6 hosts a curl, at trb www
1755006;1513733992;asciilifeform;along with errything else
1755007;1513734040;asciilifeform;... hm, apparently not!
1755008;1513734057;asciilifeform;with what do you intend to load it, tho, if lacking
1755009;1513734068;asciilifeform;curl belongs on the boot cd
1755010;1513734144;danielpbarron;i just ran into my gentoo usb iso thing not having 'man'
1755011;1513734152;asciilifeform;btw some very large share of 'no can haz trb, plz help' in the logs to date, feature shituntu
1755012;1513734168;asciilifeform;shituntu's place, is the oven.
1755013;1513734198;mircea_popescu;get curl via wget lol
1755014;1513734219;asciilifeform;i assumed it, too, grew legs and ran away
1755015;1513734266;trinque;isn't bash capable of netcat-style networking these days?
1755016;1513734267;*;trinque ducks
1755017;1513734272;asciilifeform;lol
1755018;1513734280;mircea_popescu;maybe it's a systemd clal.
1755019;1513734305;asciilifeform;use the os in the intel nic.
1755020;1513734332;mircea_popescu;FACTORY RESET
1755021;1513734353;asciilifeform;( laugh, but minix was recently found in the intel fritz thjng )
1755022;1513734540;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1754963 << emacs has pdf support ?!
1755023;1513734540;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 00:05 trinque: gconf, gsettings, various image nonsense, pdf support, it goes on.
1755024;1513734563;asciilifeform;1st time i heard of such a thing
1755025;1513734597;mircea_popescu;wasn't it proprietary in the first place ?
1755026;1513734667;asciilifeform;pdf on linuxen typically goes in massive, nominally open (openssl-style, i.e. wholly unreadable) pile of shit called 'ghostscript'
1755027;1513734682;trinque;https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Sound-Output.html << autism fungus *all through* emacs by now
1755028;1513734723;mircea_popescu;so emacs has ghostscript ?!
1755029;1513734730;asciilifeform;'The sound must be stored as a file in RIFF-WAVE format (‘.wav’) or Sun Audio format (‘.au’).' << suggests vintage
1755030;1513734741;asciilifeform;betcha that was an option for 20yrs nao
1755031;1513734757;asciilifeform;when was last  time you saw an au.
1755032;1513734764;mircea_popescu;i never saw an au.
1755033;1513734779;asciilifeform;i did. on a sun. in.. 2002?
1755034;1513734789;mircea_popescu;who plays sounds on suns.
1755035;1513734799;hanbot;anyway trinque looking forward to distfiles collection --i'll be switching over to gentoo from the ubuntu mess soon. i've been fucking around with it for far too long, as asciilifeform in other words ;p
1755036;1513734799;asciilifeform;nobody afaik.
1755037;1513734829;mircea_popescu;this item is a lot like a car lighter socket popcorn popper.
1755038;1513734834;mircea_popescu;does 8-10 kernels.
1755039;1513734839;asciilifeform;exactly same
1755040;1513734937;danielpbarron;just noticed my stripped down gentoo has a shit load of web browsers in /usr/portage that i never told it to install. what's the deal with that?
1755041;1513734967;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: didja look in the stage3 ? were they in it ?
1755042;1513734984;asciilifeform;or waiwat, in portage??
1755043;1513734984;danielpbarron;ugh
1755044;1513734996;trinque;portage is just the ebuilds, has everything.
1755045;1513734998;asciilifeform;if its in portage, its a port,  eh
1755046;1513734999;asciilifeform;aha
1755047;1513735012;asciilifeform;has errrything under the sun
1755048;1513735019;trinque;look in /var/lib/portage or w/e for your particular system state, if you want to inspect
1755049;1513735023;trinque;world file in there for example
1755050;1513735035;danielpbarron;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CHYsA/?raw=true
1755051;1513735049;asciilifeform;they're ports !!
1755052;1513735055;asciilifeform;not installed proggies
1755053;1513735059;danielpbarron;ah, well my very basic script is wasting time digesting them :/
1755054;1513735072;trinque;what was the aim of the script?
1755055;1513735073;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: you surely know what are ports
1755056;1513735084;danielpbarron;do not assume i know what i'm doing here lol
1755057;1513735104;asciilifeform;ports, in gentoo world, are little scripts for building package
1755058;1513735129;asciilifeform;there's one for every known 'gentootronic' item that one could build.
1755059;1513735158;asciilifeform;they're what you get when you did emerge --sync
1755060;1513735166;danielpbarron;the aim of my script is to install the base system from my own pre-downloaded files because the initial emerge @world barfs over conflicts that developed since the last time i used my recipe
1755061;1513735194;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: plz post this barf if you still have it handy
1755062;1513735200;asciilifeform;it will be of use
1755063;1513735210;danielpbarron;i think it jammed at something-db
1755064;1513735240;trinque;literally only thing necessary to make this happen is to fill /usr/portage/distfiles (or wherever you've declared distfiles to reside) is filled with what the ebuilds you use will demand.
1755065;1513735246;trinque;analogous to trb deps folder
1755066;1513735268;trinque;(there may be ebuilds out there that do not respect this, but they are sinful ebuilds)
1755067;1513735298;trinque;you'll notice if you reinstall items, it's not downloading tarballs again; it's finding them in the distfiles folder.
1755068;1513735397;danielpbarron;stage3 sounds like the problem here.
1755069;1513735424;danielpbarron;sounds like a cancer actually
1755070;1513735445;trinque;gonna be hard to say without knowing exactly what you were doing.
1755071;1513735522;danielpbarron;i copied /usr/portage from my currently working machine to this laptop that's still chrooted from the usb booter, then ran a script that does: ebuild * digest   where * is all *.ebuild in that directory
1755072;1513735536;trinque;what was the aim there?
1755073;1513735561;trinque;digest produces a new manifest of hashes for the distfiles mentioned in the ebuild
1755074;1513735563;trinque;(iirc)
1755075;1513735568;danielpbarron;after it's done i'm gonna do emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse @world
1755076;1513735593;trinque;I dunno where you got the "digest" step; it's something you'd be doing when heavily modifying or producing own ebuilds
1755077;1513735622;danielpbarron;that's how i got my specific kernel version into the recipe after they removed it from the official repository
1755078;1513735702;trinque;ah. there's a mechanism for this that might be cleaner than editing the portage dir. I intend to use it in the cuntoo thing.
1755079;1513735707;trinque;"portage overlay"
1755080;1513735778;trinque;which obviously can be a v-tree of ebuilds.
1755081;1513735800;hanbot;danielpbarron didja post somewhere about why you chose a kernel version not in repository?
1755082;1513735808;trinque;as things get reposessed from the gentoo shitgnomes, can move their modified ebuilds from /usr/portage into /cuntoo or w/e
1755083;1513735844;danielpbarron;hanbot, it used to be in the repository. they removed it after i published my recipe, not even a month later
1755084;1513735847;trinque;anyhow running digest on every single ebuild just means you're rehashing all the files for each ebuild.
1755085;1513735859;trinque;which doubtful they were all modified.
1755086;1513735864;hanbot;hah wth
1755087;1513735867;mircea_popescu;in other not-really-news, 1408 (cussack, jackson) isn't even that terrible.
1755088;1513735874;danielpbarron;and i picked that particular version because it is the newest one that supported my video card
1755089;1513735881;mircea_popescu;"stuck in room" flavour of horror.
1755090;1513735886;hanbot;ah okay
1755091;1513735891;danielpbarron;you liked 1408?? i don't like that guy
1755092;1513735904;mircea_popescu;which one ?
1755093;1513735927;danielpbarron;most cussack movies
1755094;1513735945;mircea_popescu;he's a great actor imo ; but yes total pantsuitard, keeps doing idiotic scripts.
1755095;1513735972;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder he and norton didn't end up married. he could have implanted all the tit fat they scooped out of angelina jolie and adopted a buncha west african urchins.
1755096;1513736001;hanbot;predicting what movies mp'd like is a long hard road peppered with "oh come ON"s
1755097;1513736022;mircea_popescu;now try predicting movies i'd like and hadn't already seen.
1755098;1513736040;danielpbarron;i guess it's not the worst one. just a guy going crazy in a room. but still ends up having to do with trying to save a woman or something
1755099;1513736059;mircea_popescu;notrly, he just dies.
1755100;1513736091;mircea_popescu;it's not the usual "here's four dumb bitches on a TV show set" like that atrocity with johnny depp
1755101;1513736118;danielpbarron;no idea what you mean there. i guess the only depp movie i saw was fear and loathing
1755102;1513736120;mircea_popescu;what was it, somewhere in canada "old castle" of "vampires" which oddly consist of california feminist can't-shut-up zsa zsa gabors v2010.
1755103;1513736187;danielpbarron;have you done a review of "no country for old men" yet? would very much like to read that
1755104;1513736194;mircea_popescu;haven't, no.
1755105;1513736277;hanbot;iirc he objected to the lack of trees in the landscape and said something about there not being any film for old men either and turned it off. but i could be misremembering...
1755106;1513736342;danielpbarron;how about "cold in july"
1755107;1513736353;mircea_popescu;hanbot wtf was the canada castle vampires atrocity ?
1755108;1513736382;hanbot;i think that was some burton thing..."dark shadows"?
1755109;1513736395;mircea_popescu;!~google dark shadows johnny depp
1755110;1513736396;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Dark Shadows (film) - Wikipedia: ; Dark Shadows (2012) - IMDb: ; Dark Shadows Trailer Official 2012 [1080 HD] - Johnny Depp ...: 
1755111;1513736423;mircea_popescu;yeah that thing
1755112;1513736447;mircea_popescu;10 minutes in, it's like "welcome to real la housewives VII"
1755113;1513736653;mircea_popescu;oh, and the ATROCIOUS "computer enhanced" female actors. jesus god really, that untalented hack heathcote not only missed her only life's calling (which doubtlessly is playing the WAG for some retarded athletic team from aussieland) but actually looks like a whole filing cabinet's worth of anime fell on her ?
1755114;1513736674;phf;i had a similar reaction to dark shadows, what a disappointment.
1755115;1513736699;mircea_popescu;i was not inb the slightest appointed. i knew going in it's gonna be CGI-for-TV. with a cast of idiots...
1755116;1513736754;mircea_popescu;in other isadumba heathcote highlights, "Christian and Ana decide to rekindle their relationship, except this time there are no more rules or punishments."
1755117;1513736826;mircea_popescu;it's this very fucking thick vein of ustardian dumb, with "strong" women of a very peculiar chimp-like sort, and token "men". i suspect the whole thing is a continuation into a thin pretense of adulthood of some idiot girls' ken-and-barbie pubescent fantasies.
1755118;1513736842;mircea_popescu;i mean... they played house since they were 5yo and mom bought them a cubic metre of plastic, HOW HARD COULD MOVIES BE
1755119;1513736870;mircea_popescu;anyway. america pre trump.
1755120;1513736925;hanbot;have you seen any post-trump movies?
1755121;1513736946;mircea_popescu;usually films take 18ish months. too soon.
1755122;1513737022;phf;my concern is post-trump their going to churn out stuff like dunkirk, men films about men bonding for men that are menly
1755123;1513737585;asciilifeform;in other finds, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654585 >>>> 'make localmodconfig' actually does it.
1755124;1513737585;a111;Logged on 2017-05-11 17:43 asciilifeform: trinque: i'm particularly curious re how you trimmed modules. many crapolade modules don't give any obvious indication that they are useless, there is no mechanism for generating a list of 'THESE we actually need, because of the installed iron, and these -- not'
1755125;1513737670;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654636 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-24#1068787 << aha
1755126;1513737670;a111;Logged on 2017-05-11 18:02 trinque: could build all video related modules, then reboot, modprobe them all, cd /usr/src/linux && make localyesconfig/localmodconfig
1755127;1513737670;a111;Logged on 2015-03-24 21:14 trinque: danielpbarron: you can use localmodconfig for that
1755128;1513737679;asciilifeform;oh hah.
1755129;1513737681;trinque;only way I ever make a kernel
1755130;1513737702;asciilifeform;it does find a buncha spurious liquishit tho
1755131;1513737722;asciilifeform;( goes blindly by what's loaded, but not all mods actually abort if they dunfind the iron )
1755132;1513737732;trinque;mhm, I don't think the menuconfig step can be avoided for a serious kernel.
1755133;1513737751;trinque;still helps narrow the "what might be interesting" a bit
1755134;1513737773;asciilifeform;oh yea no question of avoiding.
1755135;1513737794;asciilifeform;but if i never have to boot up a 'i have nfi what is this nic' box again, it'll be soon enuff.
1755136;1513738467;phf;% ./vdiff -u a b
1755137;1513738467;phf;--- a	595beeb13e543b7107c182bb23ac7766bd62ab3122e250e90573eb540f89520122150e5f69bb99140bc47ab526c9b7b2a3b2402b09b44b7391501a149876765c
1755138;1513738468;phf;+++ b	b91e1bccfe010e28e544ebc1cdc2e6030f88a899a13c78d521b46d19801a065aec3c81bae6a0238fd6a01d22c314888a0c483c9c74384aee1e4f288e76ff57b8
1755139;1513738469;phf;@@ -1,2 +1,2 @@
1755140;1513738471;phf; hello
1755141;1513738473;phf;-world
1755142;1513738475;phf;+doom
1755143;1513738489;asciilifeform;wassthis
1755144;1513738537;phf;an all-c vdiff
1755145;1513738549;asciilifeform;neato!
1755146;1513738579;asciilifeform;this is still classical format tho, right ?
1755147;1513738611;phf;correct
1755148;1513738737;phf;well, now comes the hard part :)
1755149;1513738822;asciilifeform;holy FUQ :
1755150;1513738831;asciilifeform;man: command exited with status 1: /usr/libexec/man-db/zsoelim | /usr/libexec/man-db/manconv -f UTF-8:ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8//IGNORE | preconv -e UTF-8 | tbl | nroff -mandoc -c -rLL=96n -rLT=96n -Tascii
1755151;1513738838;asciilifeform;^ fresh gentoo box, in response to any man command
1755152;1513738889;asciilifeform;dafuq is this zsoelim idiocy
1755153;1513738896;asciilifeform;it ain't on any of my old boxes.
1755154;1513738938;asciilifeform;elsewhere on the net, 'We have received reports that the man-db package as supplied in Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 has a vulnerability in the zsoelim program: it was vulnerable to a symlink attack. This has been fixed in version 2.3.10-69FIX.1' << ahahahaha THAT's why it's in there.
1755155;1513738986;phf;i wonder if we're just witnessing some sort of criticality point, where everything is starting to rapidly deteriorate under the weight of maggot work
1755156;1513739063;asciilifeform;long ago reached.
1755157;1513739171;asciilifeform;man-db dun re-emerge, either
1755158;1513739181;asciilifeform;barfs with half a MB of eggog.
1755159;1513739220;asciilifeform;oh guess what, it dun like gcc-4.9 .
1755160;1513739241;asciilifeform;tbl: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.9' not found (required by tbl)
1755161;1513739249;phf;asciilifeform: one property of the new vdiff already is that ---- situations work, e.g. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0Niwr/?raw=true
1755162;1513739259;asciilifeform;wtf is tbl even
1755163;1513739280;asciilifeform;part of troff, apparently
1755164;1513739296;trinque;asciilifeform: I referred to the stairstep down to get gcc 4 earlier.
1755165;1513739300;trinque;did you start with 6.x?
1755166;1513739307;asciilifeform;naturally
1755167;1513739311;asciilifeform;that's what was in the stage3
1755168;1513739327;trinque;aha, I had to build 5.x, gcc-config to switch to 5, then build 4.
1755169;1513739341;trinque;and you're going to have to rebuild @world after 5 -> 4
1755170;1513739345;asciilifeform;and if i already built 4 ?
1755171;1513739347;asciilifeform;and world with it ?
1755172;1513739363;asciilifeform;or hmm
1755173;1513739369;trinque;no idear, I haven't gotten it to work.
1755174;1513739370;phf;asciilifeform: tbl is venerable, part of grey beard tools, that nobody uses, like eqn or pic
1755175;1513739400;asciilifeform;the q is , what other bins on this box will bomb
1755176;1513739405;asciilifeform;and how am i to build world without'em.
1755177;1513739424;asciilifeform;motherfucking dynamic linking.
1755178;1513739425;trinque;asciilifeform: https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2015/02/05/gcc5-and-the-c11-abi/ << related.
1755179;1513739436;asciilifeform;wonder if there's a way to ban it, for whole box. permanently.
1755180;1513739442;asciilifeform;no dyn libs, period.
1755181;1513739464;phf;LFS
1755182;1513739473;asciilifeform;'The GNU C++ team works hard to avoid breaking ABI compatibility between releases, including between different -std= modes. But some new complexity requirements in the C++11 standard require ABI changes...' motherfuckers
1755183;1513739484;asciilifeform;phf: wassat
1755184;1513739507;phf;http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/, i'm being a smartass
1755185;1513739815;asciilifeform;phf: funnily enuff, systemd is mentioned in them there docs.
1755186;1513739834;trinque;of course, not everyone implemented the static use flag.
1755187;1513739844;trinque;why would anyone want that.
1755188;1513739857;asciilifeform;trinque: forget autoconf flags. i want to disable the generation or loading of dyn libs, period.
1755189;1513739871;asciilifeform;as in, no elf can invoke dyn lib.
1755190;1513739876;asciilifeform;and gcc will never produce one.
1755191;1513739881;asciilifeform;consider.
1755192;1513739888;phf;hah. well then
1755193;1513739918;asciilifeform;( and yes, i'm quite aware that, e.g., valgrind, won't work on such a machine )
1755194;1513739930;trinque;must be organ-chopping week. first trb wallet, now musl dynloader and gcc linker
1755195;1513739944;asciilifeform;it'd have to be on a musl box
1755196;1513739946;asciilifeform;otherwise 0 point
1755197;1513739957;asciilifeform;( picture the elephantine drepper glibc in every bin )
1755198;1513740553;asciilifeform;In file included from top/top_nls.c:24:0:
1755199;1513740553;asciilifeform;top/../include/nls.h:9:23: fatal error: ../config.h: No such file or directory
1755200;1513740565;asciilifeform;.... Failed to emerge sys-process/procps-3.3.12-r1
1755201;1513741415;mircea_popescu;zsoelim << wut ?
1755202;1513741464;mircea_popescu;holy shit this is retarded.
1755203;1513741525;mircea_popescu;there's literally an "utility" to munge dots into filenames.
1755204;1513741634;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755188 << ada has rotted your mind!!11
1755205;1513741634;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 03:17 asciilifeform: trinque: forget autoconf flags. i want to disable the generation or loading of dyn libs, period.
1755206;1513741770;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/vVMM2#selection-1935.0-2097.0 << preserved for future generation lulz (the original dir was  /torvalds/linux/blob/master/include/linux/nls.h )
1755207;1513742138;asciilifeform; * fit into 16 bits; as of Unicode 5 valid code points range from 0
1755208;1513742139;asciilifeform; * to 0x10ffff (17 planes, where each plane holds 65536 code points).
1755209;1513742147;asciilifeform;grrrrr
1755210;1513742162;asciilifeform;Unicode has changed over the years.  Unicode code points no longer fit into ...
1755211;1513742172;mircea_popescu;:)
1755212;1513742175;mircea_popescu;TORVALDS.
1755213;1513742213;mircea_popescu;the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people they can't possibly say "to hell with ye"
1755214;1513742241;asciilifeform;i can neither add to nor subtract from this.
1755215;1513742335;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755201 << i've never heard of, or seen , this item before, it ain't on any other box i have . and yet it breaks man pages -- all of them -- on the box.
1755216;1513742335;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 03:43 mircea_popescu: zsoelim << wut ?
1755217;1513742369;mircea_popescu;yeah arcana
1755218;1513742393;asciilifeform;i mean, it never before existed in gentoo, it's apparently an imported debianism.
1755219;1513742492;asciilifeform;( was it added because manpages are now infested with uniturds ? i've nfi )
1755220;1513742495;hanbot;shows up in ubuntu 10.04, heh.
1755221;1513742499;mircea_popescu;lol.
1755222;1513742503;mircea_popescu;shocking!
1755223;1513742518;shinohai;What *doesn't* Ubuntu have in it?
1755224;1513742528;mircea_popescu;curl, apparently
1755225;1513742543;hanbot;zing
1755226;1513742636;phf;to be fair soelim is part of troff suite going back to bill joy's original. i suspect zsoelim is some recent groff addition.
1755227;1513742667;mircea_popescu;it was a hack!
1755228;1513742701;asciilifeform;i still dunget why i need a 1972 phototypesetter driver kit in my linux.
1755229;1513742711;mircea_popescu;for unicode.
1755230;1513742725;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1755231;1513742735;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the logic works.
1755232;1513742768;asciilifeform;evidentlynot
1755233;1513742770;mircea_popescu;what is prepending z even supposed to denote ? zdumb ?
1755234;1513742780;mircea_popescu;zwindowz znext ?
1755235;1513742783;asciilifeform;zorplfmatic.
1755236;1513742848;mircea_popescu;i honestly didn't even fish "soelim" out of the zsazsagabordaemon
1755237;1513742867;asciilifeform;me neither
1755238;1513742867;mircea_popescu;zs is a transliteration of a sound in some language i speak, it got eaten as such
1755239;1513742901;asciilifeform;i eat it as a ж for sumreason
1755240;1513742931;mircea_popescu;!~google zsuzsana cerveni tits
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1755242;1513742943;mircea_popescu;umm
1755243;1513742976;mircea_popescu;apparently it also breaks google.
1755244;1513743008;asciilifeform;oh hey trinque can we ban app-misc/ca-certificates ?
1755245;1513743015;phf;asciilifeform: mostly because it's not a phototypesetter driver
1755246;1513743019;asciilifeform;why is this warcrime on the box.
1755247;1513743020;trinque;asciilifeform: fuck 'em
1755248;1513743037;trinque;oh you mean method by which? no idear; I bet everyone's mother wants them.
1755249;1513743048;trinque;btw I bet you have zswhatever because "nls" useflag
1755250;1513743050;mircea_popescu;what's with you and boston accent nao ?
1755251;1513743050;asciilifeform;good time to find out ~who~ wants'em and forwhat.
1755252;1513743057;asciilifeform;trinque: why would i have nls flag
1755253;1513743072;trinque;mircea_popescu: who me?
1755254;1513743082;mircea_popescu;yes idear!
1755255;1513743086;trinque;lol
1755256;1513743086;asciilifeform;lol
1755257;1513743092;trinque;turns out half my family is from boston!
1755258;1513743099;asciilifeform;bostonr
1755259;1513743101;trinque;the ear on this guy
1755260;1513743114;mircea_popescu;you know they actually say "a rear" there when they mean area ?
1755261;1513743133;trinque;well if you're removing Rs gotta stash 'em somewhere
1755262;1513743139;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1755263;1513743140;mircea_popescu;r
1755264;1513743222;mircea_popescu;phf what is it ?
1755265;1513743236;mircea_popescu;at&t's adobe acrobat. literally from 1960.
1755266;1513743282;trinque;asciilifeform: nls use flag was on by default, is present in my banlist
1755267;1513743294;asciilifeform;trinque: is your banlist posted somewhere ?
1755268;1513743299;asciilifeform;i'm still using my, original.
1755269;1513743466;trinque;USE="-dbus -systemd -wayland -pulseaudio -gtk3 -icu -accessibility -nls -ipv6 -ldap" << with various in package.use
1755270;1513743528;mircea_popescu;and in other "please explain this to me"s, http://78.media.tumblr.com/9bdf3b8432f6eaee2cf4ea9bca9918de/tumblr_neb5lycylT1sqopubo1_400.gif
1755271;1513743541;mircea_popescu;how the fuck can he do that ? does he have NO sensitivity whatsoever ?
1755272;1513743553;asciilifeform;ugh
1755273;1513743578;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking metal chain. they make industrial abrasives out of chain.
1755274;1513743607;mircea_popescu;they used to shoot chain at enemy ships in the age of sail! to destroy them!
1755275;1513743620;shinohai;"You had your chains, and you fucked 'em"
1755276;1513743640;asciilifeform;'the chainshot carried off both'melegz, goddam them all...'(tm)(r)
1755277;1513743774;phf;mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what to say, we're like multiple cycles deep into rhetoric here, inception style. i will say though, all this misdirected hate can't be good for digestion, i fear for asciilifeform, he might crack under questioning
1755278;1513743799;asciilifeform;say, why misdirected.
1755279;1513743803;asciilifeform;quite correctly imho directed.
1755280;1513743845;mircea_popescu;phf let's stick to factuals. 1. is groff or is groff not a "free and open" gnu theft of troff ; 2. was or was not groff a thinly veiled excuse by at&t coders who wanted a pdp to get it, because "they'll make a patents editing system" ? 3. did they or did they not simply copy roff, 1960s era item ?
1755281;1513743888;mircea_popescu;and quite literally phototypesetter, at that.
1755282;1513743910;asciilifeform;( also i'm beginning to suspect that i'm doing this all wrong. prolly what oughta be done is to track down freebsd circa 2002 , ALL of the necessary pieces, and work from THAT . )
1755283;1513743931;mircea_popescu;or else debian sarge.
1755284;1513743944;asciilifeform;trickier, didn't iirc ship with 100% src
1755285;1513743947;asciilifeform;and lacked anything like portage
1755286;1513743955;mircea_popescu;no portage ; but yes srs
1755287;1513743956;mircea_popescu;src*
1755288;1513743966;asciilifeform;you gotta have a ~source~ dependencygraph.
1755289;1513743971;trinque;here, I'll go ahead and post this early, if we're abandoning ship.
1755290;1513743971;asciilifeform;or it ain't salvageable
1755291;1513743971;mircea_popescu;unless you mean like drivers.
1755292;1513743973;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1755293;1513744076;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CtKMv/?raw=true << wip cuntoo script.
1755294;1513744087;asciilifeform;a 2002 kernel will neither boot nor run on extant iron. but userland can and must.
1755295;1513744102;trinque;lacks the whole reproductive bit
1755296;1513744106;mircea_popescu;a 2012 kernel will not run 2002 userland.
1755297;1513744108;phf;mircea_popescu: but the factuals are not necessarily under dispute (~soelim~ is not a phototypesetter is what i said). original hate was against "never seen this wrecker thing before", then when new fangled thing turned out to be an old tool, hate shifted to 1960 phototypesetters. methinks the point is a traveling one..
1755298;1513744117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescuL then THAT's what needs doctoring
1755299;1513744129;asciilifeform;( i fully believe that it -- out of the box -- won't )
1755300;1513744149;mircea_popescu;phf hate was re two things. a) i utterly failed to parse z(item) into (item) so hated ; and b) soelim was a dirty hack [atop a meanwhile pointless item].
1755301;1513744155;asciilifeform;phf: i dun grasp why box needs troff.
1755302;1513744162;asciilifeform;and why manpages ain't straight txt.
1755303;1513744173;mircea_popescu;or straight latex
1755304;1513744181;asciilifeform;troff, roff, groff, whatevertheeverlivignfuckroff.
1755305;1513744182;mircea_popescu;fuck, they could be html and it'd be better than this nonsense.
1755306;1513744184;trinque;gay latex is right out
1755307;1513744188;asciilifeform;lol
1755308;1513744205;phf;what trinque said, there's no "straight latex", it's 1.6gb of liquishit
1755309;1513744209;asciilifeform;^
1755310;1513744228;mircea_popescu;ugh
1755311;1513744230;asciilifeform;tho, sadly, 'small' by current liquishit standards
1755312;1513744242;asciilifeform;( and asciilifeform actually, shudder, ~uses~ latex )
1755313;1513744276;mircea_popescu;so i go to argue the point, fall upon https://www.latex-project.org/news/2017/12/15/github-move/ "news"
1755314;1513744284;phf;i've actually recently went through an exercise of trying to spin up knuth's plain tex as a standalone typesetting system. it's nearly impossible
1755315;1513744285;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1755316;1513744288;mircea_popescu;am like... mp, what are you doing ?
1755317;1513744302;asciilifeform;phf: i also tried this, ~decade ago, quite impossible
1755318;1513744307;asciilifeform;latex ate tex eons ago
1755319;1513744311;asciilifeform;'embrace & extend'
1755320;1513744326;mircea_popescu;is the hate stirll travelling or is it merely a universe-zsized ball of hate ?
1755321;1513744342;asciilifeform;zszszszs.
1755322;1513744355;trinque;real quick, only serious thing missing from the cuntoo script is commanding lilo to ignore all devices but the target disk.
1755323;1513744360;phf;mircea_popescu: well, ~i've~ found something to hate, so i joined the fray
1755324;1513744368;mircea_popescu;and ftr, there's no excuse to EVEN HAVE soelim at all ; let alone as a standalone wtf
1755325;1513744372;trinque;if anybody knows the answer to that riddle, the rest of the "reproduction" is trivial copying of files
1755326;1513744395;mircea_popescu;trinque --ignore neh ?
1755327;1513744398;trinque;(the other cut of the lilo thing is to simply say "thou shalt not have other drives plugged in when cuntoo is spawning)
1755328;1513744405;trinque;mircea_popescu: ignore, but gotta do by device name, and per
1755329;1513744424;mircea_popescu;tsk right you are
1755330;1513744448;mircea_popescu;well, seems "the other cut" wins seeing how otherwise3 you gotta enum.
1755331;1513744456;asciilifeform;trinque: you forgot to add   net.ifnames=0  to kernel boot args
1755332;1513744466;asciilifeform;to disable the infuriating 'let's rename eth0 to asjtghuidfjhiuorhjgr0 ' item
1755333;1513744480;phf;mircea_popescu: well they've believed in the whole "single tool for a job" thing back then, and yes it was a hack (not in a sense that soelim is such a tool, but in a sense that tools that soelim is a glue between poorly designed tools)
1755334;1513744482;asciilifeform;which is -- yes -- standard in kernel nao
1755335;1513744487;trinque;asciilifeform: thought I touched something in there that does it
1755336;1513744487;mircea_popescu;does gentoo bake dns into the kernel, debian style ?
1755337;1513744491;trinque;maybe not
1755338;1513744500;mircea_popescu;phf right.
1755339;1513744507;trinque;ah the udev rules thing; asciilifeform's solution would be better
1755340;1513744525;asciilifeform;it's sop on my boxen but i forgot to include it in my 2015 recipe
1755341;1513744528;phf;plan9 rewrote their soelim as a shell script..
1755342;1513744708;asciilifeform;how about it goes to oven. and the crapola that 'needs' it, also to oven.
1755343;1513744713;asciilifeform;and what needs ~it~ -- also.
1755344;1513744715;asciilifeform;and so on.
1755345;1513744842;mircea_popescu;and then we can play golf.
1755346;1513744850;mircea_popescu;cuz candy crush is right out!
1755347;1513744869;asciilifeform;aztec golf. with heads.
1755348;1513744928;phf;right, traditional games, like throwing discus and wrestling
1755349;1513745009;mircea_popescu;i thought it was throwing dis cunt
1755350;1513745043;phf;that's evening program
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1755357;1513777197;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1754999 <- it is broken anyway, yes; at the very top it works as I said: by avoiding it basically; in any case, hang on until tomorrow as next chapter will have to be patching this and sorting it out
1755358;1513777197;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 01:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754868 << this wasnt finished. that thing does nuffin , regardless of the loop termination condition
1755359;1513783180;diana_coman;for the very impatient: caller fails on the cases where it uses that broken macro i.e. any shift by a multiple of BITS_PER_MPI_LIMB; 0 is just one case, not the only one; further up, caller avoids the issue, as stated
1755360;1513784156;mod6;nice work diana_coman
1755361;1513784178;diana_coman;thanks mod6!
1755362;1513784186;mod6;:]
1755363;1513784250;diana_coman;thing is now I'm even *less* comfortable using that whole mpi thing... makes me wonder what else is in there and not yet spotted
1755364;1513784264;mod6;aha.
1755365;1513784378;asciilifeform;esp. spicy considering that it is taken straight from mircea_popescu ( and prolly just about everybody else's ) gpg
1755366;1513784406;diana_coman;asciilifeform, myeah, I suspect it's still widely used in fact; if I get any time I'll take a peak at latest I suppose
1755367;1513784434;asciilifeform;afaik 2.x gpg uses wholly unrelated crapola
1755368;1513784471;diana_coman;in other words a whole new set of worms, veryverynice
1755369;1513784477;asciilifeform;aha.
1755370;1513784740;mod6;yeah
1755371;1513786069;diana_coman;so I just did a quick curl for latest gpg, 2.2.4; at least in name ~everything is changed ofc, but it's a load of lol to do a plain grep -r "workaround" .
1755372;1513788255;mircea_popescu;heh.
1755373;1513788412;asciilifeform;in other noose, trinque's pill worked, but the gcc5.x item was not needed
1755374;1513788415;mircea_popescu;"mp, why isn't your infinite world update, announced LAST YEAR, live yet ?!?!" "because ints don't work on computers. also because merely rewriting the crypto layer ain't fucking enough. and also because FUCK YOUR UGLY ASS MOTHER AND THE IDIOT DRUNKS SHE KEEPS FUCKING, FUCKO!"
1755375;1513788421;asciilifeform;emerge -e world , on gcc4.9, did the trick.
1755376;1513788431;asciilifeform;( took about 2hrs on this box )
1755377;1513788449;trinque;hm cool. I'll remove it and see if I can do same, 6 -> 4
1755378;1513789671;danielpbarron;who is saying that about eulora? i'm not in any rush. whenever there is a drastic change it makes me more nervous than excited, because now I gotta re-figure everything out again
1755379;1513789707;mircea_popescu;Lp
1755380;1513789740;mircea_popescu;i just get pissy when my brilliant ideas can't be implemented like, the next day.
1755381;1513789799;mircea_popescu;but look on the bright side danielpbarron : if that process ain't making you a scientist, nothing will.
1755382;1513789839;diana_coman;heh, in good old traditions of a long-gone world and age, eulorans are rather suspicious of change and they aren't old even!!
1755383;1513789849;mircea_popescu;for srs
1755384;1513789877;mircea_popescu;funny how the "days gone by" immediately reconstruct themselves just as soon as one ditches the rotten principles preventing them.
1755385;1513789910;diana_coman;aha
1755386;1513789967;BingoBoingo;And on tonight's agenda, a spanish test
1755387;1513789995;mircea_popescu;suerte!
1755388;1513790087;BingoBoingo;Gracias. Ought to be a valuable cultural immersion experience.
1755389;1513790310;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1755390;1513790315;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16607.0, vol: 32318.56936603 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16573.0, vol: 84487.14105495 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16226.4, vol: 6052.27874841 | Volume-weighted last average: 16564.8695686
1755391;1513790895;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in archaeology dept, http://www.landley.net/code/tinycc
1755392;1513790944;asciilifeform;^ summary: one-time inheritor of bellard's 'tinycc' , gave up over, supposedly, versioncontrol wank
1755393;1513791080;mircea_popescu;i can believe it.
1755394;1513791226;phf;that explains why when i tried building it it was chasing compatibility bugs down a rabbit hole
1755395;1513791463;phf;"then told me that I had to abandon my cleanup work and start over on his tree, and explain everything to his satisfaction (as a Windows guy) before it could go in"
1755396;1513791532;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what
1755397;1513791564;mircea_popescu;is this like... V before V, ie, all-the-disadvantages-and-no-more ?
1755398;1513791611;phf;But these days, my complaint is that I have no confidence whatsoever in
1755399;1513791611;phf;tinycc's maintainership.  It has the tinycc.org domain, and Fabrice
1755400;1513791611;phf;handed over the project, so it is the official final resting place of
1755401;1513791613;phf;tcc.  But it's still stagnant, because Fabrice put a Windows developer
1755402;1513791615;phf;in charge of the project, one who apparently does not understand open
1755403;1513791617;phf;source development in the slightest. He's putting out a windows-only
1755404;1513791619;phf;version of tcc as far as I can tell, one which will never build an
1755405;1513791621;phf;unmodified Linux kernel (has made zero progress on this front in the
1755406;1513791623;phf;past _THREE_YEARS_), thus it cannot ever act as (even an infereior) gcc
1755407;1513791625;phf;replacement.
1755408;1513791693;mircea_popescu;so why's he not took it over ?
1755409;1513791752;phf;i think he doesn't like that they keep poaching his changes back into official cvs
1755410;1513791765;phf;selectively
1755411;1513792222;shinohai;< 24 hours on Coinbase, an already BitcoinCrash is fucking it up: http://archive.is/TbQpP
1755412;1513792273;shinohai;(For those wondering how BTCrash got a mention on CNBC and a coinbase listing: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/VERified.jpg )
1755413;1513792321;mircea_popescu;kek
1755414;1513793135;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform found it impossible to rebuild http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755200 under gcc 4.9
1755415;1513793135;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 03:29 asciilifeform: .... Failed to emerge sys-process/procps-3.3.12-r1
1755416;1513793151;asciilifeform;thing was, it seems , silently shitgnomed
1755417;1513793174;asciilifeform;( no concrete clue, yet, how, was unable to turn up any discussion whatsoever of it , anywhere )
1755418;1513793653;asciilifeform;or hm, nm, oddly enough built after reset with -nss build of world-minus-it
1755419;1513793658;asciilifeform;*-nsl
1755420;1513793668;asciilifeform;grr, nls
1755421;1513793684;ben_vulpes;shinohai: megalol at insider trading of altcoins
1755422;1513793697;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ain't that the whole point of running a gox
1755423;1513793701;asciilifeform;it + frontrunning
1755424;1513793720;phf;looking at their commit history there's a lot of "utf8 support in ..." and "nls ..." which is probably the proverbial fleas bringing dog
1755425;1513793733;asciilifeform;aaha!
1755426;1513793752;asciilifeform;fwiw the box appears to be stable, usable, nao.
1755427;1513793762;asciilifeform;( at least as much so as my other gentoo boxen )
1755428;1513793781;asciilifeform;phf: what didja say was rotten in sbcl 1.3.11 ?
1755429;1513793783;trinque;nls, utf8, ipv6 support, all "lets bolt gendercommits to the side"
1755430;1513794159;phf;asciilifeform: you know after staring at a lot of bad c code and last two days worth of conversations, i don't think there's much wrong with sbcl, but then i haven't looked at sbcl code in about a year at this point. i think i was mostly objecting to overall trajectory of lisp ecosystem
1755431;1513794189;asciilifeform;ah hm i thought it had 'progressed' into unusability recently
1755432;1513794211;phf;but specifically it was small annoyances with "modern" enforcements. like style warnings, or my personal pet peeve, the fact that you can't shadow locked packages without having to unlock
1755433;1513794323;phf;the awfully pedantic defconstant behavior (which sbcl specific, and which requires packages like alexandria to have asinine define-constant, which for all practical purposes is what defconstant is supposed to be)
1755434;1513794433;phf;the fact that character type is not dynamic (which to be fair is the property of all free lisps for some reason), so if you're dealing with text, you're forced into 32byte per character nonsense
1755435;1513794554;phf;the fact that macro evaluator inlines both compiled and non-compiled macros, which means that you have to manual track macro dependency and tediously reevaluate even when working in an interactive environment
1755436;1513794666;phf;i think naggum has a rant about the last one
1755437;1513794716;asciilifeform;the existence of the compiler seems to be ~the~ fountain of braindamage for pc lisps
1755438;1513794720;phf;none of these are properties of sbcl past certain vintage though though, sbcl is already a modernization of common lisp
1755439;1513794758;asciilifeform;( really ought to have a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749276 instead )
1755440;1513794758;a111;Logged on 2017-12-10 15:41 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749266 << asciilifeform has been chewing on this conundrum for a while. the inevitable pill is a minimal ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736844 ) but reasonable microscopic interpreter ( likely schemelike ) in asm; and from it, to climb back up.
1755441;1513794788;asciilifeform;the wedge between cpu and ram clocks today would , i suspect, wipe out the performance difference for most problems
1755442;1513794797;phf;cmucl fwiw was designed like a lisp machine (though it had damage done to it by modernizers already), where the evaluator + vops was you primary interaction mode, and compilation was a way to evaluate a piece of code to a vop like status
1755443;1513794801;asciilifeform;( b/w a fits-in-cache interpreter, and sbcl's compiler )
1755444;1513794837;asciilifeform;no 'status' of code. tinyscheme-like representation.
1755445;1513794844;asciilifeform;no emission of x86olade at runtime.
1755446;1513794844;phf;and vops in turn were an equivalent of a lisp machine microcode
1755447;1513794882;asciilifeform;oh hm we had the thread, apparently, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605202
1755448;1513794882;a111;Logged on 2017-01-19 17:38 asciilifeform: also (and iirc i discussed this on my www at one point) the correct approach is to ditch the native compiler, in favour of the interpreter, hand-compiled to fit in L0 cache
1755449;1513794884;phf;you're not going to even approach a performance of a compiled sbcl. at best you would do is non-jited lua
1755450;1513794955;asciilifeform;this is possible. when's the last time you saw a cpu-bound proggy in cl tho
1755451;1513794976;asciilifeform;cpu-boundness is rarer than anybody's willing to admit.
1755452;1513796295;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755434 << byte ?!!!
1755453;1513796295;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 18:27 phf: the fact that character type is not dynamic (which to be fair is the property of all free lisps for some reason), so if you're dealing with text, you're forced into 32byte per character nonsense
1755454;1513796326;phf;obviously a typo
1755455;1513796340;asciilifeform;thought i oughta ask, lol
1755456;1513796366;phf;you kind of have to these days yes
1755457;1513796369;asciilifeform;i'm not sure this is braindamaged tho: if you ~must~ have orcograms
1755458;1513796379;asciilifeform;then even 64bit per char beats utfism
1755459;1513796395;asciilifeform;O(N) length calculation is braindamaged.
1755460;1513796437;trinque;I dunno why orcograms aren't done the same way as image formats. doesn't need to be built into the OS.
1755461;1513796439;phf;that's a very broad statement
1755462;1513796449;trinque;then the kids can run wild with their UTF128s and nobody has to care
1755463;1513796455;asciilifeform;trinque: is 'character' concept built in ? if yes, then you have what we have
1755464;1513796463;asciilifeform;if not, then neither can you have a notion of 'string'
1755465;1513796467;asciilifeform;nor tty
1755466;1513796473;phf;trinque: ccl used to do it that way actually, interested parties might want to poach that code. they call the concept Rune and it's basically a way to support orcograms in a 8bit lisp
1755467;1513796478;trinque;you'll have to justify why those need orcograms
1755468;1513796485;trinque;literature sure, code? ui?
1755469;1513796496;trinque;phf: neato
1755470;1513796501;asciilifeform;and how come can't reverse this q and ask trinque to justify 8-bit c-ism ?
1755471;1513796520;trinque;"neener, worked for the romans" ?
1755472;1513796529;asciilifeform;this is how you get unix liquishit
1755473;1513796533;asciilifeform;and nulltermed strings etc
1755474;1513796552;trinque;ah we're talking about linked-list strings then?
1755475;1513796557;asciilifeform;they 'worked' in the sense that 'romans' were ok with overflows, crashes, never heard of what is exploitability
1755476;1513796566;asciilifeform;trinque: any kind of string
1755477;1513796568;trinque;I wasn't, so I'll let you continue on that
1755478;1513796572;phf;maybe he's talking about pascal strings, it's hard to say at this point
1755479;1513796576;asciilifeform;q is, of what is made a 'string'
1755480;1513796633;asciilifeform;phf: strictly arguing against 'worked for the romans' mode of thinking
1755481;1513796651;asciilifeform;rather than in favour of 256bit or whatever chars.
1755482;1513796720;trinque;ah, my point was that the roman alphabet is sufficient for one of the most expressive languages to exist, so arguments that orcograms are needed would need to explain that.
1755483;1513796810;phf;https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2017/12/19/the-strange-story-of-extended-random/ in unrelated
1755484;1513797095;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755435 << this is shockingly dumb, on an excel level of dumbness.
1755485;1513797095;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 18:29 phf: the fact that macro evaluator inlines both compiled and non-compiled macros, which means that you have to manual track macro dependency and tediously reevaluate even when working in an interactive environment
1755486;1513797119;mircea_popescu;what do you do, vrite yourself vbasic macros to do it like goldman sachs gausscopulators ?
1755487;1513797298;phf;naggum has a rant about it specifically
1755488;1513797319;mircea_popescu;so it's 20 years old by now ?
1755489;1513797319;phf;heh, while looking for that rant "I have designed and implemented one for my own needs, but I find the number of disgusting losers who would benefit from it if I published my code to be too high."
1755490;1513797377;asciilifeform;phf: i'ma guess this is 90% of the world of 'stfu, no , i won't publish it'
1755491;1513797386;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1755492;1513797464;asciilifeform;1 of the very few antipoettering bugsprays available to the wotless -- writing 'into a desk'
1755493;1513797473;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755460 << old alf suggestion also.
1755494;1513797473;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 19:00 trinque: I dunno why orcograms aren't done the same way as image formats. doesn't need to be built into the OS.
1755495;1513797496;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755462 << because the stupid woman doesn't want to be on the reservation alone. she wants to live in your house and get in front of the tv while you're watching it.
1755496;1513797496;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 19:00 trinque: then the kids can run wild with their UTF128s and nobody has to care
1755497;1513797498;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't picture how to apply it to ~text~ tho
1755498;1513797505;asciilifeform;how the hell to represent , e.g., the source itself
1755499;1513797509;asciilifeform;... comments ? ... eggogs ?
1755500;1513797526;mircea_popescu;apply what ?
1755501;1513797540;asciilifeform;'don't build into os'
1755502;1513797543;mircea_popescu;dude, dumbwoman drawings are only for rest state.
1755503;1513797548;mircea_popescu;broken machine uses ascii only.
1755504;1513797564;mircea_popescu;she can't read it nor is she intended to read it. find/beg/pay someone to get it back to smileys state first.
1755505;1513797580;mircea_popescu;then can resume smiley usage.
1755506;1513797580;asciilifeform;in 80x25!111
1755507;1513797584;mircea_popescu;yup.
1755508;1513797608;asciilifeform;on 2nd thought, neh, decadence,
1755509;1513797608;mircea_popescu;inferiority of inferior must be baked into every single UNIT of everything around them
1755510;1513797614;mircea_popescu;exactly like XX is in every cell.
1755511;1513797615;asciilifeform;serial , 9600@8,N,1
1755512;1513797676;mircea_popescu;if i was in charge of "human services" all govt housing would have on all walls "you are here ; because you suck."
1755513;1513797678;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/heres-why-you-will-end-your-days-in-a-concentration-camp/ << Trilema - Here's why you will end your days in a concentration camp
1755514;1513797685;mircea_popescu;no further "art" is needed in that context.
1755515;1513797736;phf;source reading can be a preprocessor stage (which is a lot saner to do in common lisp than elsewhere), this is also how traditional tex handles orclangs, before xetex and luatex and such. special ascii sequences to represent local lang glyphs and if you don't want to write those by hand, you use (or write) a tool that takes a local encoded document and translates it into ascii
1755516;1513797755;mircea_popescu;aha.
1755517;1513797766;asciilifeform;this is pretty good imho idea
1755518;1513797813;asciilifeform;i can't think of any serious minus, in fact
1755519;1513797934;phf;fwiw bulk of these tools have been written through the 90s and what was worthwhile from orcland was published that way then. until silent takeover by latex & 1.8gb tex installations happened and none of these tricks work anymore (because the necessary hooks are so deep within the layer of cruft it's near impossible to get to them, and one way they did it is through standard file system lay out, that requires a chain of compilation stages to move files
1755520;1513797934;phf;from location A to location B to location C where they are expected)
1755521;1513798383;asciilifeform;the unix dir tree concept braindamage is a gift that keeps on givin', eh
1755522;1513798459;phf;there's not a single article on the subject of compilation, but here's the complete thread https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/search?q=recompile+reeval&sort=of specific test that he proposes is in https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243682048034314@naggum.no.html and the "dun work" reaction https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243737082731156@naggum.no.html
1755523;1513798492;asciilifeform;phf: the 'special' status of macros always bothered me
1755524;1513798510;asciilifeform;imho it was a mistake.
1755525;1513798584;phf;there's two sbcl apologists further in thread, one of them saying "I don't mind provocative /per se/, but what you were saying gives the a| impression that SBCL is willfully bad, as opposed to in development.  But lumping it in with willfully noncompliant systems for this reason, | given it's version number, is inappropriate." and the other one is a core dev saying that they might add it. of course the expected behavior is still not there
1755526;1513798606;asciilifeform;а воз и ныне там (tm)(r)
1755527;1513798620;phf;even though i hear that sbcl now has a evaluator added back?
1755528;1513798629;phf;etc etc etc
1755529;1513798629;asciilifeform;did it ever fully vanish ?
1755530;1513798692;phf;yeah, bill newman had to rip it out when he was doing the original bootstrapping work
1755531;1513799255;mircea_popescu;btw that picture of matthew green is so ridoinculous...
1755532;1513799614;mircea_popescu;"but we were never able to find it or prove it existed." << we still never found the gnupg culprit ; and most interestingly to my knowledge NONE of the idiots with broken keys put a post on their blog, "here is the software that made it"
1755533;1513799635;mircea_popescu;though ALL SORTS of rank imbeciles, such as that "pirate party" fucktard, had complaints of the proofy proof flavour.
1755534;1513799667;asciilifeform;i was abouttosay, what good does 'proof' when reply is inevitably 'but where is the proof of yer proof's proofiness'
1755535;1513799721;phf;i mean guy says so himself "Specifically, you never really get absolute proof. There’s always some innocent or coincidental explanation that could sort of fit the evidence — maybe it was all a stupid mistake."
1755536;1513799721;asciilifeform;it isn't clear that it is even possible to carry out an intellectual exchange with such folx, who have 0 shared priors with actual people. the only conversation can then consist of the lime pit.
1755537;1513799756;phf;oblig. ptacek link
1755538;1513799776;asciilifeform;phf: there is no amount of bending-over-backwards that is toomuch for these usefulidjits
1755539;1513799784;asciilifeform;to give 'innocent' explanation
1755540;1513799788;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at least he links tptacek
1755541;1513799796;asciilifeform;lol
1755542;1513799879;mircea_popescu;phf basically, dedicatedly "we don't own the state" engineer-mind, the exact correlate of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043852
1755543;1513799879;a111;Logged on 2015-03-06 02:23 mircea_popescu: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence.
1755544;1513799919;mircea_popescu;if you don't own it, who the fuck does ? daytime tv starlets ? fat brown women behind fast food counter ? who ?
1755545;1513799944;mircea_popescu;and no, "everyone" is not a fucking answer. state exists to enforce priviledge against the mass. whose.
1755546;1513800035;asciilifeform;engineer's view that he doesn't own anything, i.e. is gulag inmate -- is generally accurate.
1755547;1513800043;asciilifeform;q is 'nao wat'
1755548;1513800045;mircea_popescu;doesn't fuckin have to be.
1755549;1513800232;asciilifeform;and indeed 'daytime tv starlets' and 'fat brown women behind fast food counter' are far closer to owners , than the engineer.
1755550;1513800262;asciilifeform;both are , of a kind, nomenklatura.
1755551;1513800312;mircea_popescu;pffff
1755552;1513800566;asciilifeform;in other olds, asciilifeform found insinuations that gcc 4.7 was at some time built successfully using tcc. but no detail re how, in particular which tcc, where to get that
1755553;1513800833;mircea_popescu;heh
1755554;1513800910;*;asciilifeform looked again at last-known tcc. it is not , after all, so small : ~54kLoc ; ~1.7MB !!! of sores.
1755555;1513800917;asciilifeform;only 'small' compared to gcc monster.
1755556;1513800931;asciilifeform;quite heavy compared to even, say, trb.
1755557;1513800931;mircea_popescu;or to say diff
1755558;1513800939;asciilifeform;and of comparable size to... minix
1755559;1513800958;asciilifeform;iirc phf's diff is ~6 kLoc
1755560;1513801032;asciilifeform;incidentally bellard's tcc is not in any simple way trimmable, no autoconf garbage or the like, in there.
1755561;1513801040;asciilifeform;it's apparently all meat.
1755562;1513801054;asciilifeform;c is simply a terrifyingly retarded lang in which to write ~anything~ compactly, even ccompiler.
1755563;1513801057;asciilifeform;especially a compiler.
1755564;1513801617;mircea_popescu;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000071-1024x768.jpg << check out where 1980s moscow went!
1755565;1513801688;asciilifeform;eh those ac units look as chronologically '80s as ipad.
1755566;1513801701;asciilifeform;( upper-right of pic )
1755567;1513801703;mircea_popescu;hm. acs huh
1755568;1513801736;asciilifeform;the surviving hruschebas asciilifeform saw in bucharest, however, looked quite like this
1755569;1513801743;mircea_popescu;aha.
1755570;1513801819;mircea_popescu;and in other vocational training, http://78.media.tumblr.com/563edda993665378ae74ec037dd28b6f/tumblr_nkd0rtUuuS1u06pkwo1_1280.jpg
1755571;1513803066;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah, there's a few of them scattered around my Barrio, but few and usually at least dos quadras off la avenida 26 de de Marzo
1755572;1513803376;mircea_popescu;aha
1755573;1513803439;BingoBoingo;On la avenida, such a building would have been kept its bones and been given a new facade because gotta sell vacation homes. 2 blocks away? What tourist would go there?
1755574;1513803471;mircea_popescu;myeah
1755575;1513803556;BingoBoingo;Outside of tourist and mega business areas the trend seems to polished interiors while letting exeteriors do as they do.
1755576;1513803661;BingoBoingo;In a bit under an hour, I visit la ciudad vieja for the first time and there spanish test
1755577;1513804334;mircea_popescu;gl
1755578;1513804812;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1755579;1513805190;phf;mp is quite dangerous with them bash scripts
1755580;1513805292;phf;i think a proper cuntoo doesn't even need x11, bash scripts, lynx and framebuffer to render images if need be
1755581;1513805298;mircea_popescu;^
1755582;1513805321;mircea_popescu;bash is turing complete, you know this right ?
1755583;1513805426;phf;eh it's all irrelevant to substance anyway, since bulk of computer activity amongst programmers is, to badly quote logs from memory, getting everything ready to meet girls by doing some misplacing activity somewhere where girls will never be
1755584;1513805488;phf;that is to say, that mp machine can really be anything, and it'll be used directly, rest of us will spend next year fucking around with dlls
1755585;1513805698;mircea_popescu;you seem enlightened allovasudden
1755586;1513810125;shinohai;http://archive.is/dz72r  .... Something, something moar DNS .....
1755587;1513814350;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform wrote a sane commandline-getter for gnat
1755588;1513814390;asciilifeform;and in the process discovered that the original was ~maliciously~ stupid, there is NO reason why it HAD to return an unknown-length string value
1755589;1513814401;asciilifeform;and thereby force the use of secondary stack
1755590;1513814407;mircea_popescu;ha!
1755591;1513814446;asciilifeform;just as easily it is possible to give it a 'here's an empty string of length L to take a shit into, for each cmdline param, and if the actual exceeds it, trigger constrainterror'
1755592;1513814607;*;trinque cheers
1755593;1513814692;asciilifeform;dunno why i didn't think of it earlier
1755594;1513814699;mircea_popescu;malicious ? :D
1755595;1513814721;asciilifeform;well i have nfi , but it entirely needlessly drags along the secondarystack thing
1755596;1513814739;asciilifeform;it sits on the edge between outright wrecking and simple down's syndrome
1755597;1513814841;ben_vulpes;i had to laugh last night; someone at the table wanted to stake out the position that "people with downs syndrome aren't defective. you can't have defective humans!"
1755598;1513814853;asciilifeform;here's the original, appreciate the horror : https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/a-comlin__adb.htm + https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/a-comlin__ads.htm
1755599;1513814915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're missing the point. perhaps the reason YOU didn't think about it before is that YOU are malicious ?
1755600;1513814943;mircea_popescu;or perhaps people just don't think of things.
1755601;1513814946;asciilifeform;and new orders from moscow, were to think of it, lol
1755602;1513814964;asciilifeform;at any rate i dun presume to distinguish.
1755603;1513814978;asciilifeform;here's the trisomy artifact itself : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PlehJ/?raw=true
1755604;1513814988;mircea_popescu;would make a pretty great sf/steampunk/altsovietrealism item
1755605;1513814996;asciilifeform;i'ma paste , for the hall of fame:
1755606;1513815005;asciilifeform;      declare
1755607;1513815005;asciilifeform;         Arg : aliased String (1 .. Len_Arg (Num));
1755608;1513815005;asciilifeform;      begin
1755609;1513815005;asciilifeform;         Fill_Arg (Arg'Address, Num);
1755610;1513815005;asciilifeform;         return Arg;
1755611;1513815006;asciilifeform;      end;
1755612;1513815023;asciilifeform;this is the , in mircea_popescuine parlance, 'hole where the night came in'
1755613;1513815040;asciilifeform;if you return a String, that's 2ndarystacktronic . no escape.
1755614;1513815065;asciilifeform;( the 2ndarystack is used to keep around the lengths of this variable-length turd that got thrown on the primary. )
1755615;1513815192;asciilifeform;and hats off to the 1st reader here who immediately thought, reading the ads earlier,  'wtf does it mean and who ever heard of ~removing~ arguments from cmdline ?!'
1755616;1513815231;asciilifeform;it's like encountering a toilet with a reverse gear, is what this is.
1755617;1513815234;asciilifeform;what was author thinking...
1755618;1513815279;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1755619;1513815282;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: dare i ask at what sort of table
1755620;1513815283;mircea_popescu;that's a great image
1755621;1513815475;ben_vulpes;just my dinner table
1755622;1513815530;ben_vulpes;a few short seconds later the same person practically pulled a 'halt and catch fire' when attempting to use a word that doesn't mean broken to describe f. ex. chromosomal abnormalities
1755623;1513815550;ben_vulpes;not even use, but locked up trying to find
1755624;1513815559;ben_vulpes;it's wildly entertaining watching people thrash in their own contradictions
1755625;1513815583;ben_vulpes;"humans can't be defective!" "well what do you call it when they're missing a chromosome, eh?"
1755626;1513815638;mircea_popescu;it's not defective, it's effective!
1755627;1513815780;asciilifeform;aaaaand here: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tPv4l/?raw=true << is the tentative pill.
1755628;1513815801;asciilifeform;^ used in place of , rather than in addition to, Ada.Command_Line
1755629;1513815839;asciilifeform;it relies , as is obvious , on the guts of gnat's main() initializer, that sets the turds . but in so far as i can tell , it is the same in all known gnats
1755630;1513815847;asciilifeform;if anyone knows otherwise, plox to write in.
1755631;1513815936;asciilifeform;aaand if anyone can think of a less revoltingly-tasting pill, plz to also write in.
1755632;1513815977;asciilifeform;( there is not, notably, any possibility of a pill that dun force cpointerism ; as gnatv is at birth a cpointeristic turd )
1755633;1513816051;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: grep http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.txt for 'Adagietto'
1755634;1513816058;asciilifeform;on subj.
1755635;1513816116;asciilifeform;'...this linguistic battle is inherently non-winnable, as can be seen from how every term that was originally meant to be non-offensive, such as “moron”, “retarded” and “imbecile”, always became a schoolyard insult in short order. ... This is inevitable because the underlying reality that these words refer to is horrifying, and everyone can see how bad it would be to get hit on the head ...'
1755636;1513816144;asciilifeform;'...Accepting or rejecting this phenomenon marks a fundamental divide between those who believe that words create reality, versus those who believe that objective reality exists and operates independently of how we happen to speak and think about it.'
1755637;1513816280;ben_vulpes;the real fun is in asking "what word do you want me to use instead?" and then using it in such a way that all the partizans wince, knowing that word means The Bad Thing now.
1755638;1513816361;ben_vulpes;in other top notch lolz, the redhat "totp" ios "app" does not provide for backing up the shared seeds.
1755639;1513816397;mircea_popescu;lol
1755640;1513816404;asciilifeform;i had nfi this existed
1755641;1513816422;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yr defectively steeped in security theater
1755642;1513816457;asciilifeform;only ever encountered google's variant of this idiocy
1755643;1513816476;ben_vulpes;here i was, thinking that a redhat product would have features like 'backup'
1755644;1513816503;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: naturally they'd rather lusers not have 'lift the seekrit out of the pnoje' button, or they'll push it and write on postitnote
1755645;1513816542;ben_vulpes;im astonished this idiocy made it past the enterprise sales people; 'IT will want to know how to back these codes up'
1755646;1513816569;ben_vulpes;or 'IT will want to know how to upgrade users devices without revoking every key and leaving accounts 'unsecured' during the TOTP rotation"
1755647;1513816573;asciilifeform;why would the admin want to back it up ? if luser luses his pnoje, he goes to beg and be issued new code, neh
1755648;1513816580;asciilifeform;who the fuck 'backs up' per-luser pw.
1755649;1513816596;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why wouldja give all of the monkeys one shared key?!
1755650;1513816648;phf;ben_vulpes: before i finally gave up my ios, i was using pythonista for almost everything, including totp. there's some python totp implementation that i lifted from somewhere, that can be easily ported. i gave up writing a barcode recognizer, though it's not a particularly daunting task with numpy
1755651;1513816682;ben_vulpes;phf: oh that's nifty
1755652;1513816698;ben_vulpes;i guess this is new as of the lifted ban on interpreters and compilers?
1755653;1513816712;asciilifeform;yea i missed this
1755654;1513816721;phf;pythonista has been around for a while. it's literally the only useful application for the iphone
1755655;1513816725;*;asciilifeform still doesn't get why one would program ~on~ ipnoje
1755656;1513816752;asciilifeform;~for~ it, i can even picture, nintendomarket, etc. but ~on~ ?!
1755657;1513816845;phf;both times i wrote anything on pythonista was when i was traveling without a computer, and i do it semi-recreationally. with automatic indentation and completion it's not particularly painful, if the goal is to get some interesting computations going, rather then you know "programming environment". it's more of a turtle kind of exercise
1755658;1513816884;asciilifeform;aa sorta how asciilifeform sometimes travels with a hp48
1755659;1513816891;asciilifeform;that makes moarsense.
1755660;1513816949;asciilifeform;phf: i've always wondered if it is possible to make a 'programming toy' proggy for touchpnojes that actually makes productive use of the fingers , rather than torturing user with simulated kbd
1755661;1513816977;phf;one thing i wrote that i was really happy with is a very simple gps coordinates to atlas grid mapper. the thing would basically draw a rectangle with atlas grid number, like p34 A7 and inside the rectangle it'll draw a large red dot which roughly indicates where in the quadrant you are. i was using it extensively on a trip through alaska, because the toy catches gps readily, but naturally can't catch internet connection. so it was a kind of navigation
1755662;1513816977;phf;aid
1755663;1513816979;asciilifeform;something like interlisp's structureeditor, perhaps
1755664;1513816995;asciilifeform;neato, notbad
1755665;1513817054;asciilifeform;on subj : asciilifeform also wonders if anybody's 'liberated' google et al's spysat jpgs
1755666;1513817070;asciilifeform;for offline use.
1755667;1513817090;asciilifeform;primo use of a good spam-ip farm
1755668;1513817103;phf;would make for a lovely torrent dump
1755669;1513817117;asciilifeform;there's no particular reason why one couldn't put it all on sd card and make passive pocket maptron.
1755670;1513817128;phf;because their maps are certainly shit for any kind of navigation that's not by road.
1755671;1513817133;asciilifeform;( and the oblig. terrain-tracking icbm... )
1755672;1513817146;asciilifeform;forget the street maps, speaking of raw photo
1755673;1513817150;phf;right
1755674;1513817220;ben_vulpes;let's just continue with the apple idiocy: "try the new safari! fast, energy efficient, and with a beautiful new design."
1755675;1513817226;ben_vulpes;energy efficient, dontchaknow!
1755676;1513817261;ben_vulpes;probably tastes great with a dash of "selectively run js load from google.com, facebook.com after everything else because trackers are js dogs"
1755677;1513817332;phf;major reason i gave up ios is because getting a working connection proxy requires a full blown vpn going
1755678;1513817365;ben_vulpes;phf: rocking the 'mp01' or what
1755679;1513817388;phf;jesus what the fuck is this
1755680;1513817400;phf;no, one sec
1755681;1513817412;phf;samsung sgh-t139
1755682;1513817438;ben_vulpes;ah looks like a classic
1755683;1513817440;ben_vulpes;how's the t9?
1755684;1513817445;asciilifeform;speaking of this, anybody know of a 'dumb' pnoje that has whitelists ?
1755685;1513817453;asciilifeform;apparently none made in ~decade
1755686;1513817479;asciilifeform;i was buying one, for someone else, not long ago, and ended up with ye olde 'razr'
1755687;1513817524;asciilifeform;astonishing how such elementary feature is unknown today. i.e. 'NO ring unless one of numbers N1, N2, ... Ni'
1755688;1513817585;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: hey, t9 implementations suck now too. no auto-updating dictionary, statistic-based wordguessing...
1755689;1513817631;asciilifeform;i'd buy a pnoje that supports... morse input
1755690;1513817634;asciilifeform;fuck t9.
1755691;1513817679;*;asciilifeform bbl
1755692;1513817682;ben_vulpes;you're happier hammering each numpad up to three times for a single letter?
1755693;1513817776;phf;ben_vulpes: t9's not bad, it has an auto-updating dictionary which i only use for names, because it also amuses me to write like i'm from a different planet.
1755694;1513817777;mod6;t9, lol
1755695;1513817852;ben_vulpes;pretty tragic that one even has the basis to ask 'how bad is the t9', given how well it worked two decades ago.
1755696;1513817855;phf;"a face book? i do not poses a face book, i have many regular books though!"
1755697;1513817863;ben_vulpes;lol hah
1755698;1513817903;ben_vulpes;i have developed an allergy to bending myself to fit my tools over the last four years; ios is one of the last bits of sand in me gears
1755699;1513818008;phf;i recently threw out a perfectly working dual-sim nokia something or other, because i thought i lost the battery, but just yesterday i discovered that i had whole two batteries stored elsewhere.
1755700;1513818175;phf;amusingly though http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-28#1214723
1755701;1513818175;a111;Logged on 2015-07-28 03:18 phf: asciilifeform: my point was that feature phones are not particularly good at their claimed purpose, that buying an old nokia is a hemingwriter, and compared to them iphone has a good sound quality.
1755702;1513818207;phf;unlike the nokia though this t139 sound quality doesn't suck, so i retract my previous statements!
1755703;1513819492;mircea_popescu;!!up cblgh
1755704;1513819492;deedbot;cblgh voiced for 30 minutes.
1755705;1513819508;ben_vulpes;ahaha when did you show up
1755706;1513819528;mircea_popescu;i've been here all day.
1755707;1513819536;ben_vulpes;not you lol
1755708;1513819580;phf;ben_vulpes: here's a phone for you https://www.ebay.com/itm/282003650097
1755709;1513819587;ben_vulpes;anyways cblgh logs are in channel title, if you're going to not wash out at least register a gpg key with deedbot
1755710;1513819599;ben_vulpes;phf: you know me so well
1755711;1513819664;ben_vulpes;https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOKIA-N90-Type-RM-42-Smartphone-Cellular-Collectible-GSM-Mobile-N-Series-Vintage/132438876949?epid=100040237&hash=item1ed5f8e315:g:MvYAAOSwDKtY2ZB1 << shit was my jam in 06
1755712;1513819681;phf;you want to be ready for when "i don't have a smartphone" thing is in full swing in portland. you can be a full blown hipster avantguard
1755713;1513819725;phf;haha, that's pretty cool, reminds me of transformers my parents brought me from amsterdam in the early 90s
1755714;1513819734;ben_vulpes;a) don't live there or care too much about barista fashion anymore b) already lead that charge by toting the mp01 for a few months c) wake me up when "i don't have facebook" is actually popular
1755715;1513819745;ben_vulpes;phf: total transformerphone
1755716;1513819782;ben_vulpes;had display on the outside, could read texts without opening the thing. had google maps; internet over cell; a marvelous little device. great camera for the time as well.
1755717;1513819815;ben_vulpes;actually just dug out some photos from that era, oh gracious me. macs with cameras were all the rage and boy howdy did we have fun taking photos of ourselves misbehaving.
1755718;1513819839;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, does anyone know how to beat a trb into coughing up the actual raw transaction it sent?
1755719;1513819845;ben_vulpes;aside from dumping the mempool and parsing each?
1755720;1513819872;mircea_popescu;suck it out of the add-to-mempool procedure
1755721;1513819891;phf;you mean any and all transactions, or just wallet transactions you generated?
1755722;1513819897;ben_vulpes;phf: the latter
1755723;1513819994;mircea_popescu;anyway, in re smartphone, kids today have seriously diminished executive function, roughly speaking incapable of communicating in any manner other than arbitrary-app-reimplementing-irc
1755724;1513820020;mircea_popescu;most of them are too anxious to actually answer a phonecall (too much pressure! i only talk to my parents!) ; most of them are actually unaware of the web as such.
1755725;1513820029;mircea_popescu;let alone the internet.
1755726;1513820121;mircea_popescu;in short, two thirds or so of the neet population would actually meet mongoloid criteria cca 1917.
1755727;1513820221;ben_vulpes;even pantsuits know: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/
1755728;1513820223;phf;ben_vulpes: you could hook somewhere like hereabouts http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/src/wallet.cpp#L1117 to open a new file and << wtxNew to it
1755729;1513820260;mircea_popescu;neglect has destroyed a generation. when 50yos don't fuck 15yos culture takes a hike.
1755730;1513820307;mircea_popescu;there;s relatively little to differentiate white teenager born 1990/2000s from african teenager born at any point. which i guess was the point, or something.
1755731;1513820413;ben_vulpes;phf: i was thinking something in this area http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#L1320
1755732;1513820496;ben_vulpes;and cwallettx has the kooky IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE so it should be possible to hex to stdout through the rpc machinery?
1755733;1513820577;phf;yeah, it'll automagically serialize itself when you put it into stream (obviously not hex, but raw binary)
1755734;1513820719;phf;that gettransaction code seems to do everything that you want, you could probably just have something like "dumptransaction  " and then it'll write to destination (and bail if destination exists)
1755735;1513820865;ben_vulpes;sure, could be reasonable to dump to .bin in my mind as well
1755736;1513820907;ben_vulpes;s/could be/is/
1755737;1513820929;ben_vulpes;eh, insufficiently explicit
1755738;1513821173;phf;i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
1755739;1513821889;mircea_popescu;!!up BingoBoingo_
1755740;1513821889;deedbot;BingoBoingo_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1755741;1513822679;ben_vulpes;phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator
1755742;1513822914;mircea_popescu;hmm, anyone with a twitter acct still ?
1755743;1513824228;shinohai;I got mine back mircea_popescu
1755744;1513824718;mircea_popescu;see if @bridneus wants to work for eulora ?
1755745;1513824771;ben_vulpes;"A federal judge declared a mistrial wednesay in the riminal conspiracy case against rancher Cliven Bundy and three other defendants, saying government laywers suppressed key evidence..." https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/judge-declares-mistrial-in-case-against-rancher-cliven-bundy-sons-and-militiaman/2017/12/20/49d91c24-e5c8-11e7-a65d-1ac0fd7f097e_story.html
1755746;1513824786;mircea_popescu;heh
1755747;1513828313;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755692 << think about it: no need to look at screen
1755748;1513828313;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 00:54 ben_vulpes: you're happier hammering each numpad up to three times for a single letter?
1755749;1513828338;asciilifeform;same reason why normal kbd is great, while 'virtual' is agony
1755750;1513828417;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755730 << africans have problems talking ?!
1755751;1513828417;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 01:38 mircea_popescu: there;s relatively little to differentiate white teenager born 1990/2000s from african teenager born at any point. which i guess was the point, or something.
1755752;1513828446;asciilifeform;out of curiosity, what is the context for the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755741 problem ?
1755753;1513828446;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 02:17 ben_vulpes: phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator
1755754;1513828869;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755750 << consider http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/#comment-123260 ; how do you distinguish wordmagic 1 from wordmagic2 as in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755597 ?
1755755;1513828869;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 03:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755730 << africans have problems talking ?!
1755756;1513828869;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 00:07 ben_vulpes: i had to laugh last night; someone at the table wanted to stake out the position that "people with downs syndrome aren't defective. you can't have defective humans!"
1755757;1513828989;mircea_popescu;!!up Cerber248
1755758;1513828990;deedbot;Cerber248 voiced for 30 minutes.
1755759;1513828995;Cerber248;▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODErlpxbbo: gribble lobbesbot de
1755760;1513829001;Cerber248;▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEuexlrbx: webbyz pete_dushenski ave1 lobbesbot kjj asciilifeform adlai whaack shinohai jhvh1 mats mod6 tb0t Framedragger
1755761;1513829001;mircea_popescu;lol still ?
1755762;1513829005;Cerber248;▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODEgstuxett: gribble mimisbrunnr manamex whaack webbyz candi_l
1755763;1513829007;mircea_popescu;!down Cerber248
1755764;1513829009;mircea_popescu;!!down Cerber248
1755765;1513829015;mircea_popescu;kinda old news.
1755766;1513829054;mircea_popescu;what ~exactly~ is "complaining" gonna do ?
1755767;1513829062;shinohai;I guess the world needed a spambot for that
1755768;1513829065;mircea_popescu;african fucktards.
1755769;1513830664;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1755770;1513830669;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16885.93, vol: 25794.54155397 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16841.0, vol: 67097.14176572 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16470.0, vol: 4690.64507853 | Volume-weighted last average: 16835.0431779
1755771;1513830677;mircea_popescu;!~calc 20 / 16835.0431779
1755772;1513830678;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 20 / 16835.0431779 = 0.001187998141059404
1755773;1513833572;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755741 << I have been fighting stuck/slow transactions more frequently in the past month, leading to the last week where I have been completely unable to get connected nodes to take my txn.
1755774;1513833572;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 02:17 ben_vulpes: phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator
1755775;1513833628;trinque;the version number appears to be a factor which ends up isolating trb nodes, hypothesis being that the version number being set high invites nodes to insult the malleus patch.
1755776;1513833700;trinque;my own nodes have begun lagging far behind the chain tip, other folks report the same.
1755777;1513833781;trinque;for now, I can report that setting the version number to 50400, a trb node will catch back up, txns will unstick.
1755778;1513833790;trinque;not a proposal for action, but those are my observations.
1755779;1513834317;mircea_popescu;there was a lot of spam pre block 500k.
1755780;1513834323;mircea_popescu;may alsoi be a factor.
1755781;1513834366;trinque;was on 50000x, within 10 or so of top now, after version change and restart.
1755782;1513834383;trinque;prior to that the lag was increasing every time I checked.
1755783;1513834462;*;trinque will be comparing multiple test subjects.
1755784;1513834516;trinque;and there's 500358
1755785;1513834552;trinque;ah, and 9. topped out.
1755786;1513862952;BingoBoingo;Spanish test a success. Was a wonderful opportunity to get forced into a prolongued stretch of not head translating. Thankfully the test was very patient and ergonomic.
1755787;1513863001;*;BingoBoingo may have cheated a bit on the test leaning on the whole "animal magnetism" applied Trilema business.
1755788;1513863039;BingoBoingo;The accent on the test though, the single most challenging encountered so far.
1755789;1513863419;BingoBoingo;Cada dia, hacer algo por su Trilema. Lo trabaja cuando vos trabajas
1755790;1513864137;diana_coman;congrats BingoBoingo
1755791;1513866493;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1755792;1513866583;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1755793;1513866589;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16329.54, vol: 21602.60607456 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16248.0, vol: 59133.22186753 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16022.0, vol: 4129.91578854 | Volume-weighted last average: 16257.7579482
1755794;1513866751;*;BingoBoingo also this morning returned to the consultora to sign more forms on the road to having a bank account.
1755795;1513866833;BingoBoingo;And the data center has sent draft contracts to review
1755796;1513867013;BingoBoingo;Y en otra inglesas: "In other news, The Times reported that, for the first time in modern history, no Royal Navy fighting ships – destroyers, frigates, amphibious assault ships or carriers – would be operating away from Britain over Christmas and New Year."
1755797;1513867033;BingoBoingo;Inglaterra es un pais pobre
1755798;1513867923;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755775 << i dug into this item last yr, and found that the version thing is mostly a red herring : when you set 50400, the same derps drop ~you~, a millisecond or so sooner than you would've dropped ~them~ via malleus. the real culprit is always http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702558 .
1755799;1513867923;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 05:20 trinque: the version number appears to be a factor which ends up isolating trb nodes, hypothesis being that the version number being set high invites nodes to insult the malleus patch.
1755800;1513867923;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 13:09 asciilifeform: the reason why mike_c's node appears 'stalled' is that it stopped fetching blocks. trb's block sync behaviour is unspeakably moronic, it will attempt 'long sync' ONCE, on warmup
1755801;1513868017;asciilifeform;aside from brief period at bootup, a trb node DOES NOT TRY TO SYNC AT ALL, passively waits for someone to come and feed it. forever.
1755802;1513868236;asciilifeform;concretely : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1621858
1755803;1513868236;a111;Logged on 2017-03-04 00:52 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1364 and http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1735 are the only times a trb node asks for blocks explicitly from peer
1755804;1513868305;asciilifeform;+ http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1621865 , and really whole thread worth reviewing.
1755805;1513868305;a111;Logged on 2017-03-04 00:55 asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu , as you can probably tell, if node misses the window when $block was being actively thrown at it, then it has only these two knobs for attempting to get it
1755806;1513868357;asciilifeform;so trinque , yer node synced on account of being reset. as in more or less every previous case of 'my node stalled, i changed knob K, and reset, and bam! , synced , knob K must be reason' -- it's the reset.
1755807;1513868660;asciilifeform;i'ma put this in the l0gz, ftr :
1755808;1513868685;asciilifeform;the ONLY 2 times PushGetBlocks is called ( i.e. to explicitly ASK a peer for new blocks ) is :
1755809;1513868727;asciilifeform;1) inside   if (strCommand == "version") { .... that is , command processor for peer's commands :
1755810;1513868728;asciilifeform;         // Ask the first connected node for block updates
1755811;1513868728;asciilifeform;         static int nAskedForBlocks;
1755812;1513868728;asciilifeform;         if (!pfrom->fClient &&
1755813;1513868728;asciilifeform;             (pfrom->nVersion < 32000 || pfrom->nVersion >= 32400) &&
1755814;1513868728;asciilifeform;              (nAskedForBlocks < 1 || vNodes.size() <= 1))
1755815;1513868730;asciilifeform;         {
1755816;1513868732;asciilifeform;             nAskedForBlocks++;
1755817;1513868734;asciilifeform;             pfrom->PushGetBlocks(pindexBest, uint256(0));
1755818;1513868738;asciilifeform;         }
1755819;1513868767;asciilifeform;the very FIRST connected peer who issues 'version' gets asked to help sync. and when THAT connection breaks -- that's it.
1755820;1513868813;asciilifeform;2) inside the bastardry handler, in ProcessBlock(...) :
1755821;1513868820;asciilifeform;     // If don't already have its previous block, throw it out!
1755822;1513868820;asciilifeform;     if (!mapBlockIndex.count(pblock->hashPrevBlock))
1755823;1513868820;asciilifeform;     {
1755824;1513868820;asciilifeform;         printf("ProcessBlock: BASTARD BLOCK, prev=%s, DISCARDED\n", pblock->hashPrevBlock.ToString().substr(0,20).c_str());
1755825;1513868820;asciilifeform; 
1755826;1513868822;asciilifeform;         // Ask this guy to fill in what we're missing
1755827;1513868824;asciilifeform;         if (pfrom)
1755828;1513868828;asciilifeform;         pfrom->PushGetBlocks(pindexBest, pblock->hashPrevBlock);
1755829;1513868830;asciilifeform; 
1755830;1513868832;asciilifeform;     return true;
1755831;1513868834;asciilifeform;     }
1755832;1513868878;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1621894 << see detailed discussion.
1755833;1513868878;a111;Logged on 2017-03-04 01:11 asciilifeform: note that ProcessBlock() only ever asks ~the bastard-supplying peer~ for the bastard's prevblock.
1755834;1513868893;asciilifeform;apologies for the clutter, but this item really ought to live in the permarecord.
1755835;1513868905;asciilifeform;because it is imho a major open problem .
1755836;1513869101;asciilifeform;much of what the 'power rangers' did to their bitcoin, was an elaborate dance around this problem, with a dozen pseudosolutions that guzzled memory, and -- more importantly -- destroyed the integrity of their sync ( the orphanage bullshit, the headers-first bullshit , etc )
1755837;1513870364;shinohai;!!up andreiislost
1755838;1513870365;deedbot;andreiislost voiced for 30 minutes.
1755839;1513870592;BingoBoingo;!!Up freetlas
1755840;1513870593;deedbot;freetlas voiced for 30 minutes.
1755841;1513870650;BingoBoingo;freetlas: Habla! Quien es tu papa y Que lo hace el?
1755842;1513870795;freetlas;BingoBoingo: Mark? Is it you?
1755843;1513870816;BingoBoingo;Quien es Mark?
1755844;1513870843;freetlas;Zuckerberg
1755845;1513870859;BingoBoingo;Yo soy El senor Bingo de los Republica.
1755846;1513870875;BingoBoingo;!!up mquander
1755847;1513870876;deedbot;mquander voiced for 30 minutes.
1755848;1513870899;BingoBoingo;freetlas: Quien es vos?
1755849;1513870913;freetlas;I have not the least doubt it
1755850;1513870917;BingoBoingo;Y mquander, Quien es vos?
1755851;1513871015;freetlas;I am an individual who sometimes reads trilema
1755852;1513871080;mircea_popescu;ello freetlas
1755853;1513871113;freetlas;i mircea_popescu
1755854;1513871124;mircea_popescu;no, i mircea_popescu ; you freetlas
1755855;1513871154;freetlas;lol
1755856;1513871169;freetlas;make sense
1755857;1513871176;BingoBoingo;Te registra una llave con deedbot de el senor trinque
1755858;1513871235;mircea_popescu;registra-te
1755859;1513871239;mircea_popescu;imperative reverts
1755860;1513871245;BingoBoingo;Ah, gracias
1755861;1513871255;BingoBoingo;That would explain a bit
1755862;1513871272;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/12/21/bitcoin-year-in-review-2017/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Bitcoin Year-In-Review 2017
1755863;1513871351;freetlas;I wish I knew how Spanish grammar works
1755864;1513871444;BingoBoingo;The only way to really learn is to move, live among the locals, then report back to one's betters
1755865;1513871444;mod6;<+asciilifeform> apologies for the clutter, but this item really ought to live in the permarecord. << thanks for posting this.
1755866;1513871626;freetlas;BingoBoingo: I do speak Spanish, but I do not know rules. Do you have an Uruguayan accent?
1755867;1513871670;mircea_popescu;or rather an uruguashan accent.
1755868;1513871671;BingoBoingo;freetlas: Not yet. But I am starting to get a hang of ll y Y sound like Shhhh
1755869;1513871677;BingoBoingo;lol
1755870;1513871699;freetlas;Damn
1755871;1513871703;mircea_popescu;it's funny how ll works as j[olly]j[oker] : it's sh in the south, moves to g in colombia, it's y normally...
1755872;1513871790;freetlas;mircea_popescu: You have an Argentine accent, don't you?
1755873;1513871792;BingoBoingo;When Colombians pass through the hostel though, very easy accent for my ears to process.
1755874;1513871796;mircea_popescu;nah.
1755875;1513871802;mircea_popescu;i deliberately avoided adapting to the idiots.
1755876;1513871809;freetlas;mircea_popescu: be honest. DOn't be ashamed lol
1755877;1513871812;mircea_popescu;normally i'm a total phonetic slut, but in this case i made an effort.
1755878;1513871813;BingoBoingo;freetlas: mircea_popescu has a Roman accent
1755879;1513871847;mircea_popescu;can't learn the accent of a despised herd of subhuman filth.
1755880;1513871863;freetlas;BingoBoingo: It is. I mean, there are more than 4 different accents in Colombia.
1755881;1513871908;BingoBoingo;freetlas: I man the accent on the columbians con dinera sufficient por vacacciones en Pocitos, Montevideo
1755882;1513871925;BingoBoingo;*dinero
1755883;1513871927;mircea_popescu;dinero lol. it's not like plata.
1755884;1513871930;mircea_popescu;aha.
1755885;1513871938;freetlas;gonna say the same lol
1755886;1513872035;freetlas;BingoBoingo: that's where you currently living?
1755887;1513872074;BingoBoingo;Correcting a/o is what the Venezualana dentist makes her side gig doing
1755888;1513872126;BingoBoingo;freetlas: Living yes, But in a way that challenges what i considered living before. Much more living aca.
1755889;1513872266;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755787 << lol what did you do!
1755890;1513872266;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 13:30 BingoBoingo may have cheated a bit on the test leaning on the whole "animal magnetism" applied Trilema business.
1755891;1513872295;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755798 << this does *not* explain what I put in the log, though it is also a problem.
1755892;1513872295;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 14:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755775 << i dug into this item last yr, and found that the version thing is mostly a red herring : when you set 50400, the same derps drop ~you~, a millisecond or so sooner than you would've dropped ~them~ via malleus. the real culprit is always http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702558 .
1755893;1513872311;asciilifeform;trinque: hm plox to expand then ?
1755894;1513872324;mircea_popescu;trinque hey, i'm all ears.
1755895;1513872328;trinque;it is not as though I restarted the trb node once, said "oh ok, worx nao"
1755896;1513872352;trinque;mats also reported to me that his nodes *will not keep up*, ben_vulpes also
1755897;1513872355;asciilifeform;trinque: ( and this is not specific to this case ) plox to describe, in pedantic detail, the events
1755898;1513872366;trinque;I already put it in the log, what
1755899;1513872386;asciilifeform;what i saw was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755777
1755900;1513872386;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 05:23 trinque: for now, I can report that setting the version number to 50400, a trb node will catch back up, txns will unstick.
1755901;1513872386;mircea_popescu;you got a blog, you saw teh fetlife/okcupid/whatever write-ups, knock yourself out in a mead of fermented detail.
1755902;1513872407;BingoBoingo;Well, I just stayed a playful friendly extranjero and let the laughing and the context do the not heavy at all lifting
1755903;1513872419;asciilifeform;but did not see , e.g., 'did 7 resets with 9.999... but only the 8th, with 50400, did the trick'
1755904;1513872456;mircea_popescu;trinque the problem with "mats also reported to me that his nodes *will not keep up*, ben_vulpes also" is the ambiguity attendant. two guys walk into a diner, agree that coffee sucks there -- one's a colombian, local brew is swill ; the other's from alaska, can not stand hot beverages.
1755905;1513872465;mircea_popescu;yet they "agreed". but what was meant ?
1755906;1513872482;trinque;what was meant is that I want others to study their nodes while I study mine
1755907;1513872491;trinque;and not simply go "alf says it isn't so, lets not look"
1755908;1513872494;mircea_popescu;yes but you did not specific a study paradigm
1755909;1513872499;mircea_popescu;at least not public
1755910;1513872500;trinque;I plainly said what I was going to do about it
1755911;1513872514;asciilifeform;one useful item would be a 'from whom this came' log prefixer patch
1755912;1513872516;mircea_popescu;"study this room" rarely works in my experience (and yes, i experienced ; we have small toys for hiding etc)
1755913;1513872557;mircea_popescu;trinque i gathered you moved from knob set to x to knob set to y ; that's not the same as a "do this experiment".
1755914;1513872573;asciilifeform;^
1755915;1513872593;mircea_popescu;for instance, what specific variable was to be measured, and how.
1755916;1513872628;asciilifeform;trinque: one way to turn this into an experimental setup would be to make ver knob adjustable ~without reset~
1755917;1513872641;asciilifeform;then could genuinely say 'it wasn't the reset, it was version mask'
1755918;1513872646;asciilifeform;after certain # of shots
1755919;1513872660;mircea_popescu;reset does add some noise ; but it can be also filtered out otherwise.
1755920;1513872665;trinque;asciilifeform: clearly.
1755921;1513872666;mircea_popescu;statistics works on anything, is the thing.
1755922;1513872676;asciilifeform;it isn't 'some noise', mircea_popescu , reset triggers the one and only sync-catchup routine
1755923;1513872683;asciilifeform;( see the massive log turd earlier )
1755924;1513872696;mircea_popescu;i'm aware, i'm aware.
1755925;1513872735;trinque;I was brief on details because I fully expected that others are seeing the same behavior with the trb nodes they maintain. public indexes of nodes report that just about every single one is far behind.
1755926;1513872794;asciilifeform;trinque: the 1 common thread in asciilifeform's lab notes from birth of trb to today, is that once they fall behind, they stay behind, until reset. (often more than one reset.)
1755927;1513872834;mats;i've had some luck syncing with 'btcwire' nodes, when all of the advertised nodes were ~30 blocks behind or unreachable on sunday
1755928;1513872837;asciilifeform;and i'm satisfied that i found the reason for it. ( and no i do not have a ready pill, the ~algo~ is broken )
1755929;1513872855;asciilifeform;what's btcwire ?
1755930;1513872859;mats;and at that time i just fed those blocks back to the advertised nodes, it caught up
1755931;1513872874;mats;some golang thing
1755932;1513872880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform half-admitted sybil.
1755933;1513872890;mircea_popescu;was something-network before that
1755934;1513872895;trinque;one which probably doesn't implement enough of the prb protocol to get banned
1755935;1513872897;asciilifeform;mats: hand-feeding always works, yes. but it's not a practical means of keeping a node up in regular practice.
1755936;1513872918;trinque;think for a sec, that with the high version number you're advertising support for protocol "features" you then immediately issue a ban for.
1755937;1513872946;asciilifeform;trinque: this is not wrong , but it's a pov that concedes to the powerrangers the privilege of owning version#s
1755938;1513872983;asciilifeform;why should they get to filter us out by doing e.g. 'nothing below 0.7 can connect'
1755939;1513873015;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in his case, because he wants to at least occasionally get txn out
1755940;1513873020;trinque;this sort of thinking creates gigantic blind spots in which ways 0.5.4 is broken will hide.
1755941;1513873034;asciilifeform;if it in fact has become impossible to get a tx out without emulating all of prb, we have a Problem
1755942;1513873042;mircea_popescu;dude...
1755943;1513873044;trinque;I reported this in the log
1755944;1513873049;mircea_popescu;we have had A PROBLEM for longer than i can recall.
1755945;1513873057;mircea_popescu;we have no isp. we can't as much as fucking hire a chinese girl.
1755946;1513873063;mircea_popescu;somehow nike manages to get its shoes sewn ; but not us
1755947;1513873067;mircea_popescu;we're afloat in problems.
1755948;1513873071;asciilifeform;troo!
1755949;1513873074;mircea_popescu;so then.
1755950;1513873136;mats;in regular practice i'm uncertain how to masquerade as prb without running a heathen node and plugging trb into that
1755951;1513873137;trinque;in the case of the version number (which I will obviously test extensively, and said so) it's possible it's a bad move to crank to maxver, because it's a lie saying "we support all misc novelties below this int"
1755952;1513873172;trinque;mats: my node.deedbot.org node *immediately* synced to top after weeks of restarts and praying to satan when version number was set.
1755953;1513873184;asciilifeform;trinque: that knob is there, to be turned. i've no argument that 'version dun matter', it may well matter. but oughta be tested correctly, as indep. variable.
1755954;1513873192;mats;trinque: who did you ask for blocks?
1755955;1513873216;trinque;I have the republican list in addnode and that's it.
1755956;1513873226;trinque;asciilifeform: where was that in argument
1755957;1513873237;asciilifeform;iirc recent prb ( as analyzed by jurov, still digging for the thread ) will simply drop you if you connect and report <0.7 .
1755958;1513873241;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755783
1755959;1513873241;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 05:34 trinque will be comparing multiple test subjects.
1755960;1513873251;asciilifeform;you gotta compare without reset tho.
1755961;1513873260;trinque;I agree with that as well.
1755962;1513873266;trinque;should be trivial to add an rpc to change the var
1755963;1513873269;asciilifeform;needs a patch.
1755964;1513873270;asciilifeform;aha
1755965;1513873386;asciilifeform;another patch experiment whose time imho has come, is 'prod' rpc command : trigger the boot sync behaviour at arbitrary time.
1755966;1513873413;asciilifeform;i'ma produce it this weekend, if no one else has.
1755967;1513873436;trinque;indeed, should be tested independently of this, can possibly preserve the high version.
1755968;1513873478;asciilifeform;incidentally when i wrote the versionknob patch, i did not expect that everyone here will run with ~same~ , default ver
1755969;1513873516;mircea_popescu;yes for srs. prod!
1755970;1513873541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform meaningless magic number got set to the "closest ot inexistence" available.
1755971;1513873562;trinque;asciilifeform: I don't blame the patch, only "now I have an observation which suggests touch the knob"
1755972;1513873564;asciilifeform;aha , ^ is how i came up with the value
1755973;1513873572;trinque;suggestion may be wrong
1755974;1513873588;asciilifeform;trinque: item very much deserves proper test.
1755975;1513873644;asciilifeform;and as 'ship is made to sail', knob -- is made to turn.
1755976;1513873685;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's point was not 'don't turn', but 'gotta turn them knobs independently of one another, or 9000 years will not suffice'
1755977;1513873686;*;trinque suddenly realises that there are two intuitive items, tit.. and cock
1755978;1513873722;trinque;the second, stick everywhere!
1755979;1513874306;BingoBoingo;lol
1755980;1513874320;BingoBoingo;Where's that trilema about cock eating rock
1755981;1513874518;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755797   <<< Pero si es lleno de recursos humanos, no?
1755982;1513874518;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 14:37 BingoBoingo: Inglaterra es un pais pobre
1755983;1513874561;trinque;BingoBoingo: how goes rackquest?
1755984;1513874576;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Para hacer biopetro.
1755985;1513874593;shinohai;Mah corn
1755986;1513874638;BingoBoingo;trinque: More slowly than I would like. The whole US citizen bullshit is giving the accountant quite a workout when it comes to making banking work to pay for the racks.
1755987;1513874676;mircea_popescu;in other sads : one trb node was dead since fucking 22nd of august, because -- it ran into the fabled "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbRunRecoveryException'  what():  DbEnv::txn_checkpoint: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery" which then kicked in a script to clean it up, which it did, but couldn't boot back up because for yet-unknown reasons there was a spurious .lock leftover ; corner case u
1755988;1513874676;mircea_popescu;ncovered, 1k man-hours worth of spuriously idiotic automation down teh drain.
1755989;1513874704;mircea_popescu;we have, as the man says, A problem.
1755990;1513874935;BingoBoingo;trinque: As far as the racks themselves. Ready within 72 hours of signing a contract and paying for them, but IP address block from LACNIC will take 2 weeks from application to allocation.
1755991;1513874954;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what was yer bandwidth, again?
1755992;1513874987;mircea_popescu;shaping up BingoBoingo !
1755993;1513875027;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The quote is for 100 MBPS decicated symmetrical. If there's more traffic in one direction, asymetrical dedicated lines are also available.
1755994;1513875032;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: gracias
1755995;1513875066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's getting his foot in tyhe door ; it'll scale.
1755996;1513875087;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: should hope so. because 100mb ain't enuff for even 1 trbtron
1755997;1513875102;mircea_popescu;measure it soemtime.
1755998;1513875182;asciilifeform;i did.
1755999;1513875186;asciilifeform;!#s incitatus
1756000;1513875187;a111;40 results for "incitatus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=incitatus
1756001;1513875191;asciilifeform;^ subj.
1756002;1513875196;trinque;BingoBoingo: would easily host my sites and botworx
1756003;1513875211;asciilifeform;prolly would work for, e.g., qntra, aha
1756004;1513875227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't see a number in there ; be moar useful and speak the value.
1756005;1513875235;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1e6 * 3600 * 24 * 30
1756006;1513875236;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1e6 * 3600 * 24 * 30 = 2592000000000
1756007;1513875257;mircea_popescu;2.5 petabytes is many times over trilema, so.
1756008;1513875259;*;BingoBoingo can't recall running a trbtron I could touch on a connection faster than 3 mbps until in Montevideo
1756009;1513875291;asciilifeform;hey, slow modem beats no modem
1756010;1513875351;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, router rule
1756011;1513875375;mircea_popescu;by the time your trb node eats 10 MBps even, you've more serious problems than "buy more pipe". and that's inst not sustained.
1756012;1513875376;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: well yes, i'm aware that there is not a literal 100mb/s modem, lol
1756013;1513875393;BingoBoingo;Once trb gets enough network speed to work, extra doesn't offer much
1756014;1513875400;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most painful spot is prolly the bringup of new node with its 200G
1756015;1513875418;mircea_popescu;that 200G is over a little more than 20 minutes.
1756016;1513875453;mircea_popescu;bb broadfly has it, there's a narrow sliver of bw trb/prb can even use ; more than that it generally wastes.
1756017;1513875458;*;asciilifeform does the arithmetic, yea mircea_popescu is prolly right
1756018;1513875463;mircea_popescu;and the narrow sliver in question is in the kbps range
1756019;1513875511;mircea_popescu;ie, unless you got a good reason running a centralizing node, capping the bw for the damned thing doesn't do anything observable.
1756020;1513875520;asciilifeform;the bottom limit is what it takes to move in a block every 10m . i.e. ~2kB/s.
1756021;1513875545;mircea_popescu;in practice more like 15x that, because it gotta chatter like a boring housewife.
1756022;1513875552;asciilifeform;aha, mempoolism
1756023;1513875555;mircea_popescu;aha.
1756024;1513875580;BingoBoingo;1-1.5 mbps cap tends to allow resonable block reception time and support a number of connections, and keeps pipe faily clear outside of block time
1756025;1513875657;BingoBoingo;with an under 512 kbps cap, not many other nodes will want to be friends
1756026;1513875698;asciilifeform;and speaking of all of this, asciilifeform has a gentootronic box ready to crate up and enthrone immediately when BingoBoingo proclaims his rack.
1756027;1513875704;asciilifeform;( and soon 2 moar )
1756028;1513875734;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: very nice
1756029;1513875884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755987 << i have seen this item a grand total of twice, and both times -- dying hdd
1756030;1513875884;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: in other sads : one trb node was dead since fucking 22nd of august, because -- it ran into the fabled "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbRunRecoveryException'  what():  DbEnv::txn_checkpoint: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery" which then kicked in a script to clean it up, which it did, but couldn't boot back up because for yet-unknown reasons there was a spurious .lock leftover ; corner case u
1756031;1513876004;mircea_popescu;i see it on occasion ; and yes decent predictor for ssd death.
1756032;1513876044;asciilifeform;afaik it's entirely impossible without rotting iron
1756033;1513876109;mircea_popescu;this is bitcoin, errything's possible.
1756034;1513876320;asciilifeform;all i can say is, to date only observed db death on boxes with actual bit rot.
1756035;1513876336;mircea_popescu;the db is actually fine.
1756036;1513876360;asciilifeform;i.e. copied it elsewhere, and it mounted ?
1756037;1513876378;mircea_popescu;here, also.
1756038;1513876569;BingoBoingo; all i can say is, to date only observed db death on boxes with actual bit rot. << Aha, saw when trying to start trb from blockchain loaded onto box from corrupted thumb drive
1756039;1513876607;mircea_popescu;lmao watching BingoBoingo spanish is amusing. los republica ? how many of it are there!
1756040;1513876625;mircea_popescu;and why is it masculine allovasudden
1756041;1513876636;mircea_popescu;teh republic's a bitch.
1756042;1513876667;BingoBoingo;Because the venezualana is too busy to deliver suffient humilation on her own.
1756043;1513876746;BingoBoingo;Anyways, as many republicitas as los senors.
1756044;1513876803;BingoBoingo;But consider "vos sos [adjective]" mastered.
1756045;1513876944;BingoBoingo;Anyways, accomodating the truth that most people want a friend more than I do, and letting them shoulder their share of the burden helps make BingoBoingo spanish functionally amusing in person.
1756046;1513876956;BingoBoingo;Blog post baking.
1756047;1513876959;mircea_popescu;cool.
1756048;1513877071;BingoBoingo;!!up freetlas
1756049;1513877071;deedbot;freetlas voiced for 30 minutes.
1756050;1513877083;freetlas;Indeed, it is. Btw, Venezuelan* or venezolana/o
1756051;1513877105;freetlas;In case you're talking about people from Venezuela
1756052;1513877111;BingoBoingo;Si
1756053;1513877157;BingoBoingo;Una persona, una odontologa
1756054;1513877171;freetlas;Conoces una odontologa venezolana?
1756055;1513877228;BingoBoingo;freetlas: Para vos, Yo soy usted!
1756056;1513877267;mircea_popescu;lmao
1756057;1513877286;mircea_popescu;he got it, and he ain't affraid to use it!
1756058;1513877290;*;mircea_popescu bbl
1756059;1513877331;freetlas;BingoBoingo: It ain't fucking usted in Argentine Spanish bastard lol
1756060;1513877352;freetlas;, bastard*
1756061;1513877358;BingoBoingo;Uruguay no es Argentina.
1756062;1513877391;BingoBoingo;Y aca los senores son usted.
1756063;1513877391;freetlas;You're right. Uruguay is part of Argentina. It's just another state. :)
1756064;1513877420;freetlas;Los senadores?
1756065;1513877452;BingoBoingo;Los caballeros.
1756066;1513877489;freetlas;Are you a Lord? :o
1756067;1513877512;freetlas;I apologize, Lord BingoBoingo. Usted conoce a una odontologa venezolana?
1756068;1513877533;BingoBoingo;Gracias, si la conozco.
1756069;1513877545;freetlas;Gracias. Si, la conozco.*
1756070;1513877583;BingoBoingo;!!gettrust deedbot BingoBoingo
1756071;1513877583;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 8 by 8 connections.
1756072;1513877888;mircea_popescu;anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
1756073;1513877904;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely no conceivable reason to have all these 3 items in the same place.
1756074;1513877913;mircea_popescu;key to the split is a rewrite of the db so it's less fucktarded.
1756075;1513877988;*;asciilifeform actually has the db item, based on 'horsecocks' routine posted earlier ; but not ready for primetime and on hold pending ffa/p release
1756076;1513878019;asciilifeform;i.e. giant mmap.
1756077;1513878054;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea, at that.
1756078;1513878069;asciilifeform;O(1) fetches.
1756079;1513878075;mircea_popescu;aha
1756080;1513878080;asciilifeform;( and writes, for that matter. )
1756081;1513878203;asciilifeform;btw 'block node' per mircea_popescu's cut , doesn't have to be a 'daemonic' process at all, even. can run as 1shot cmdline util, that can be asked to eat a candidate-block ( and report success/failure ), or disgorge a previously-accepted block (by header , or by height) ; then terminates
1756082;1513878217;asciilifeform;it dun need to persistently grind.
1756083;1513878226;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1756084;1513878243;mircea_popescu;could even be a bash one-liner
1756085;1513878294;asciilifeform;bash-driven, at any rate. ( still pretty massive cpp ball behind the scenes, considering that all of the remaining 'grandfather's pistol' logic lives ultimately in the is-this-an-actual-block evaluator )
1756086;1513878484;mircea_popescu;and evidently the power rangers made the wrong cut. it is FINE to have a "light node" consisting of block and tx ; no spy.
1756087;1513878491;mircea_popescu;but they cut out the essential part and left the nonsense.
1756088;1513878511;asciilifeform;aha!
1756089;1513878541;asciilifeform;without is-this-a-block-based-on-all-known-blocks-down-to-genesis, it ain't a node, it's used cumrag
1756090;1513878556;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, it can be said "it makes no sense to have A without B", which is true. though it DOES make perfect senser to have B without A, which is why they are to be cut.
1756091;1513878582;mircea_popescu;because exactly, B is the basis of all things ; upon which basis A or C or both or neither may live.
1756092;1513878609;asciilifeform;will even observe, that it is possible to have a bitcoin net with only sneakernet connectivity, with cmdline eatblock-ing nodes.
1756093;1513878616;asciilifeform;and hand-carried payloads.
1756094;1513878619;mircea_popescu;cut like this, yes.
1756095;1513878624;mircea_popescu;and as it should be.
1756096;1513878687;mircea_popescu;then B can simply send PushGetBlocks until it falls over and entirely ignore mempool idiocy
1756097;1513878697;mircea_popescu;thereby having nodes forever on the brink of the chain no matter what.
1756098;1513878883;asciilifeform;B in the 'cmdline' model wouldn't ever on its own power send anything, or act autonomously
1756099;1513878897;asciilifeform;it'd be 'supreme court' for the whatever As connected.
1756100;1513878913;asciilifeform;( but contain no networking code on its own )
1756101;1513878915;mircea_popescu;could be a peer too, why not.
1756102;1513878977;asciilifeform;idea is that it should not be gummable by anything that happens on the net.
1756103;1513878991;asciilifeform;could be a peer, but 'lan peer'
1756104;1513879014;mircea_popescu;i guess. better have it capable and let operator design than have it incapable and no choice.
1756105;1513879034;mircea_popescu;lan-only knob eminently useful.
1756106;1513879043;asciilifeform;ideally reference-trb is capable-of-everything, incl. cpumining ( see the dozen or so threads at this point )
1756107;1513879069;mircea_popescu;no more "reference" bs. functionality.
1756108;1513879085;mircea_popescu;consider the following point : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755759
1756109;1513879085;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 04:03 Cerber248: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODErlpxbbo: gribble lobbesbot de
1756110;1513879103;asciilifeform;yes functionality but gotta be careful that the cut parts sum to at least the customary functionality.
1756111;1513879108;mircea_popescu;you know FOR A FACT that it's nsa-bs, because if it weren't, they'd have sold it to me not to some obscure mortodifame.
1756112;1513879114;asciilifeform;how else.
1756113;1513879116;mircea_popescu;but it wasn't a "sale", it was a "mommy calls children home".
1756114;1513879129;asciilifeform;they have a whole fleet of these shills, 1000s
1756115;1513879140;mircea_popescu;NOW, the first, and naive, thought, would be "o noes, all those poor but intelligent engineer minds who will lose their freenode ; we should try to help them"
1756116;1513879143;asciilifeform;starting with 1940s crypto-ag and going on to today.
1756117;1513879154;mircea_popescu;no. we should not. fuck them with a barbed stick. how DARE they be anywhere but here ? and why help such scum ?
1756118;1513879161;mircea_popescu;they'll get what they deserve.
1756119;1513879166;mircea_popescu;reference ? FUCK YOU.
1756120;1513879181;mircea_popescu;"reference" is altspeak for "proof proofiness investigation"
1756121;1513879292;asciilifeform;it isn't as if the heathens read, or ever read, it
1756122;1513879340;asciilifeform;!!up mircea_popescu
1756123;1513879340;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1756124;1513879341;BingoBoingo;!!up mircea_popescu
1756125;1513879342;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1756126;1513879346;mircea_popescu;there's 0 reason to think in these terms. let the self-important impotent judges-of-all-things-makers-of-nothing wash their heads with their reference rights.
1756127;1513879362;*;mircea_popescu is in car, will v later on.
1756128;1513879383;asciilifeform;i gotta ask, in what terms instead
1756129;1513879438;asciilifeform;as i understood trb historically was 'and here is bitcoin minus the post-2011 barnacles, deviate at your own risk, derps, it will still be there an' working'
1756130;1513879460;mircea_popescu; no more "reference" bs. functionality. <
1756131;1513879466;mircea_popescu;trinque needs so and so for so and so, let him have it.
1756132;1513879474;*;asciilifeform doesn't disagree.
1756133;1513879481;mircea_popescu;what we need is all that matters ; anyone else's "rights" are indistinguishable from hallucinations.
1756134;1513879491;mircea_popescu;show a need and get at the least a go ahead, ideally some help.
1756135;1513879492;asciilifeform;sorta where i was going with experiments such as 'wires' etc
1756136;1513879500;asciilifeform;'fuck the scum'
1756137;1513879521;asciilifeform;( btw did everyone grasp why 'wires' dun work ? )
1756138;1513879521;mircea_popescu;i'm absolutely NOT going to sit here and say to trinque yes you're here and doing things but your item should be even an iota less usefull to you than it could be "because public"
1756139;1513879530;asciilifeform;aa yea
1756140;1513879530;mircea_popescu;the public is henceforth a byword for they in the dungeons.
1756141;1513879565;asciilifeform;the 1 caveat is that if the tx dun cut through the kilometre of prb and get to china, it dun get mined
1756142;1513879586;mircea_popescu;it's always cheaper to deal with china without idiot white cucks than with.
1756143;1513879603;asciilifeform;hence 'cut through'
1756144;1513879606;mircea_popescu;true in 1817 as today
1756145;1513879680;mircea_popescu;anytway, this car has been idliong in parking lot long enough. i will bbl fo reals.
1756146;1513879684;asciilifeform;i'll admit ftr that this item was one of the underlying seekrit crackpotteries behind asciilifeform's interest in shortwave
1756147;1513879725;asciilifeform;theoretically a miner who gives a damn re max rake, oughta tune in when if e.g. mircea_popescu were to pump out a fat tx on sw.
1756148;1513879749;asciilifeform;rather than waiting for 10,000km of usg.cisco and usg.fiber relays to churn.
1756149;1513879762;asciilifeform;( as well as dozen hops of prb nonsense )
1756150;1513879833;asciilifeform;whatever else ionosphere does, it doesn't 'bitbetate'.
1756151;1513880813;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1756152;1513880818;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15450.0, vol: 22162.77034256 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15429.0, vol: 68944.99232496 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14891.3, vol: 4117.38791642 | Volume-weighted last average: 15410.6382406
1756153;1513880869;asciilifeform;waterlolfall
1756154;1513880873;shinohai;`Long Island Iced Tea shares soared 500% after the company rebranded as Long Blockchain. The decision came at 3 AM, during a long "product testing" meeting, after one executive mentioned that his son had made a lot of money on "Betcoin [sic].`
1756155;1513880886;shinohai;toppest of keks
1756156;1513880962;asciilifeform;i gotta wonder how mircea_popescu squares pictures like this with 'net worth is proxy for intelligence', 'executives are skilled professionals', and similar
1756157;1513881387;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756072 << I have already split the wallet from trb in a patch I'm testing.
1756158;1513881387;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
1756159;1513881395;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Likely by recognizing the damaging effect of wreckers and the despicable kind of theif. Pic unrelated, features the honorable kind of thief http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000070-1-768x576.jpg
1756160;1513881441;trinque;the cut turned out to be very clean, delete wallet.h/cpp, rip all references out, and item syncs just fine. it of course breaks getmempool and GenerateBlocks, whatever else.
1756161;1513881470;asciilifeform;trinque: this is neato and i'd like to try it
1756162;1513881493;asciilifeform;( i assume it also sheds various mempoolisms ? )
1756163;1513881514;trinque;nah, mempool cut can be a separate patch
1756164;1513881517;asciilifeform;aa
1756165;1513881520;trinque;kept this strictly to wallet
1756166;1513881541;asciilifeform;a 'pistol only' cut , as discussed earlier, would be interesting
1756167;1513881541;trinque;I will post an experimental patch soon, when fit for other hands
1756168;1513881614;shinohai;Neato trinque .... had discussed with mod6 before how divorcing wallet rpc functions from trb would be so much better.
1756169;1513881644;trinque;what's needed is, say, a shivatronic script compiler for txn.
1756170;1513881660;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755738
1756171;1513881660;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 01:52 phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
1756172;1513881674;trinque;that, but both ways.
1756173;1513881880;trinque;asciilifeform: beauty of v is that these paths can diverge cleanly, operator can choose which lineage to press. patches appropriate for multiple lines, ground onto multiple lines.
1756174;1513882067;asciilifeform;aha!
1756175;1513884559;phf;“Romanian Hackers Infiltrated 65% of DC Outdoor Surveillance Cameras (cnn.io)”
1756176;1513884605;asciilifeform;lol, for spam
1756177;1513884615;asciilifeform;where were these folx on '9/11' !111
1756178;1513884631;phf;cheering on?
1756179;1513884662;asciilifeform;( famously, all cams near pentagon 'oops, stopped working' that day )
1756180;1513884805;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d2YLr/?raw=true << plaintxtization of the lulgem from phf's link
1756181;1513884911;asciilifeform;!!up freetlas
1756182;1513884911;deedbot;freetlas voiced for 30 minutes.
1756183;1513885047;freetlas;I'm very disapointted with myself for not even being a Beginner of The Republic.
1756184;1513885055;asciilifeform;so go and fix
1756185;1513885057;asciilifeform;!!help
1756186;1513885057;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1756187;1513885060;asciilifeform;^ reg with deedbot
1756188;1513885079;asciilifeform;then follow the intro linked in chan subj, on mircea_popescu's www .
1756189;1513885082;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755450 << i've picked up a book in new orleans, “Symbolic computation : applications to scientific computing”, it's all macsyma and various sussman style scheme hacks for exploring dynamic systems, but an interesting trick that almost all the code uses, which i guess was sop in lisp world at some point, is to do visualization and control on a lisp machine, but do the heavy numeric simulations in fortran 77. the in
1756190;1513885082;a111;Logged on 2017-12-20 18:35 asciilifeform: this is possible. when's the last time you saw a cpu-bound proggy in cl tho
1756191;1513885082;phf;teractive environment is basically there to parametrize, and then it spits out a fortran code that crunches the numbers as it is
1756192;1513885115;asciilifeform;oyea phf pretty sure i saw this
1756193;1513885128;asciilifeform;'compile to fortran'
1756194;1513885145;asciilifeform;this was even used quite recently, in certain schemetrons
1756195;1513885155;asciilifeform;'compile to c'
1756196;1513885212;asciilifeform;really the endgame of this is 'compile to fpga'
1756197;1513885214;phf;like there's a paper on a multibody simulation system "implemented in zeta-lisp on symbolics 3600" with symbolic part done in macsyma, but the "numeric simulator" is implemented in fortran-77 running on a lisp machine
1756198;1513885228;asciilifeform;for those annoting little cpubound problems like hbomb implosion contours etc
1756199;1513885304;phf;there's a separate differential geometry package for non-linear dynamic systems in macsyma, likewise does analysis in macsyma, and then spits out fortran 77 code
1756200;1513885372;asciilifeform;at one time asciilifeform was a meat version of this, for a living
1756201;1513885392;phf;right, i guess you were doing industrial robotics and such?
1756202;1513885399;asciilifeform;that was at same place, but later
1756203;1513885413;asciilifeform;earlier was , them crunchings. inner loops in asm etc.
1756204;1513885418;phf;ah
1756205;1513885639;asciilifeform;btw, ftr asciilifeform considered f77 as close runner-up for 'in what to write ffa and all from nao on'
1756206;1513885711;asciilifeform;it loses to ada in re: clarity and bound-guarantees
1756207;1513885726;asciilifeform;but otherwise strong alternative to the bell labs idiocies.
1756208;1513885739;asciilifeform;and quite well-standardized.
1756209;1513885752;asciilifeform;and compiles pretty cleanly.
1756210;1513885793;phf;i have to admit, my math is so weak, it's reading these papers i realized that Proper Engineering actually uses something called state-space representation for discretizing dynamic systems, and that behaviors of, say, robotic manipulators, have time independent, closed form solutions. also of explains that scene from anathem, at the workshop
1756211;1513885807;asciilifeform;aha!!
1756212;1513885808;asciilifeform;it!
1756213;1513885837;*;asciilifeform extends imaginary cylinder hat.
1756214;1513885868;asciilifeform; state-space representation << recall lagrange's mechanics.
1756215;1513886249;phf;well, i have an intuitive understanding of what's going on now, i just need to work through calca. i've also simultaneously understood why lapack is so valuable. and yes, i see how that ties to lagrange's mechanics.
1756216;1513886918;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/21/he-tenido-una-cita-en-la-ciudad-vieja-a-lesson-in-applied-trilema/ << Bingo Blog - He Tenido Una Cita En La Ciudad Vieja: A Lesson In Applied Trilema
1756217;1513887079;BingoBoingo;Ah, forgot to link http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686062
1756218;1513887079;a111;Logged on 2017-07-18 18:42 mircea_popescu: rooster sees hen and runs towards her. hen reflexively starts running away. after a short space the hen thinks "if i stop he'll think me a slut, if i keep running he'll think me stupid... how about i stumble."
1756219;1513887523;*;shinohai is thoroughly enjoying these new pieces on the BingoBoingo blog ....
1756220;1513887554;BingoBoingo;!~tyvm
1756221;1513887554;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "tyvm" is not a valid command.
1756222;1513887558;BingoBoingo;!~ty
1756223;1513887558;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1756224;1513889630;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/21/eucrypt-correcting-mpi-implementation/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt: Correcting MPI Implementation
1756225;1513890879;asciilifeform;o hey hey hey , lbj!!!
1756226;1513891076;diana_coman;it seems I also found a difference in press behaviour between asciilifeform's v99 and mod6's v: this new vpatch of mine si correctly identified as leaf and otherwise descendant of ch1_mpi.vpatch by both v ; however, when pressing ch2 vpatch, mod6's v presses this other leaf too from what I see, while asciilifeform's v99 does not press it; to me v99's behaviour seems correct but I don't know if this is something that was discussed before
1756227;1513891127;diana_coman;ch2 vpatch is *another* leaf, sibling of this vpatch
1756228;1513892710;mod6;ugh.
1756229;1513892722;mod6;i'll have to take a look a bit later here diana_coman
1756230;1513892743;mod6;i simply curse the day that i ever wrote the thing
1756231;1513892864;diana_coman;mod6, no rush at all; I just reported it because unexpected to me; let me know if there is any other info I can provide to help
1756232;1513893010;diana_coman;fwiw mod6 I'm rather happy you wrote it though, as it helped me a lot in the beginning when I was trying to get my head around v itself; having at least 2 implementations to compare is not a bad thing
1756233;1513893144;mod6;yeah, it's not good though. literally everytime someone uses it, there seems to be some sort of ... 'it doesn't work'
1756234;1513893585;mod6;i'll take a look and see what your thing is doing later.  will report back.
1756235;1513894895;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the v99 behaviour is the correct one : pressing 'siblings' automagically, is a mistake; if you want the contents of both 'siblings', you oughta have a 'unifier' patch that pulls both in.
1756236;1513894918;asciilifeform;v as i originally devised it, specifically 'grasps' by ~1~ leaf, when calculating a press
1756237;1513899068;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes, I plan precisely a unifier; that makes total sense to me, see above where I already said I consider v99 behaviour as correct
1756238;1513899183;asciilifeform;aha
1756239;1513901437;danielpbarron;!!deposit 1.5
1756240;1513901442;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CHILz/?raw=true
1756241;1513905171;phf;asciilifeform: you will find this lulzy, little factoid that i didn't know till now http://lj.rossia.org/users/aculeata/1365141.html
1756242;1513905199;phf;"Считаю необходимым довести до сведения следственных органов ряд новых фактов характеризующих мое морально бытовое разложение. Речь идет о моем давнем пороке — педерастии." "24 апреля 1939 г. Н. Ежов."
1756243;1513905225;asciilifeform;pretty sure i've read this
1756244;1513905241;asciilifeform;and pictured that it was written while sitting on a stake
1756245;1513905279;phf;obviously, i didn't realize that the stake took this particular shape in this case
1756246;1513905407;asciilifeform;lol
1756247;1513906731;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1756248;1513906737;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14690.0, vol: 21271.31875099 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14687.0, vol: 68537.0174885 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14472.0, vol: 4419.01464118 | Volume-weighted last average: 14677.5943
1756249;1513907469;BingoBoingo;stakes have many shapes
1756250;1513907705;esthlos;i'm trying to implement V, without reading too much source (as asciilifeform suggested), so how is this so far:
1756251;1513907744;mod6;Initial findings after digging into it here quickly, my V seems to have the leaves in a separate flow order than from Stan's (v99).  Which, by itself, (as we've discussed before) isn't a problem per-se.  It seems though that in the case here where the leaves are ordered differently, and you press (with my v (99994)) up through 'ch2_truerandom.vpatch', it also includes the 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' a
1756252;1513907750;mod6;s it comes earlier in the flow.
1756253;1513907785;mod6;So in this case, it is a problem, because you may not want to press 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' leaf when pressing to only ch2.
1756254;1513907791;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7Xaoq/?raw=true
1756255;1513907827;esthlos;there is a collection X of diffs, a collection Y of detatched signatures of those diffs, and a collection Z of pubkeys corresponding to those patches
1756256;1513907830;mod6;I don't have a fix ready or anything of the kind, in fact, this could be the nail in the coffin for my v.
1756257;1513907936;mod6;I'll stop working on all other things, and dig into this.  Will advise as I have more to say.
1756258;1513907983;esthlos;by selecting which keys are acceptable, we get a subsequence of acceptable diffs, which are then used to patch the source
1756259;1513907994;BingoBoingo; i'm trying to implement V, without reading too much source (as asciilifeform suggested), so how is this so far: << Well, stop reading code and take V on a walk down the Rambla.
1756260;1513908029;asciilifeform;actually i am reading my orig V nao and shuddering
1756261;1513908100;asciilifeform;the press algo i wrote was extremely lame , and mod6's vtron went astray by copying it, rather than the item in my head, lol
1756262;1513908105;asciilifeform;the correct press algo is
1756263;1513908126;asciilifeform;... 1) to take the 'out' hashes of the ~one~, specific, patch being 'pressed to'
1756264;1513908134;esthlos;that's where I'm at, trying to figure out the order to apply the diffs
1756265;1513908138;asciilifeform;2) recurse backwards from these.
1756266;1513908157;asciilifeform;pointedly the 'flow' should not be used as the input for any operation , other than to display to user
1756267;1513908181;asciilifeform;( the linear flow display was also a mistake, it misleads people, does not actually help anybody. really ought to have exclusively tree-flow display, as mod6 had )
1756268;1513908181;mod6;aha, yeah, this is where mine eats shit ^
1756269;1513908196;esthlos;BingoBoingo: yes, I think it's time for that
1756270;1513908246;BingoBoingo;esthlos: Just remeber, V is more interest in you than you in V
1756271;1513908290;mod6;speaking of tree-display... once I spit out the tree for eucrypt, then it makes sense.  no reason that you should have to press 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' to have pressed 'ch2_truerandom.vpatch'
1756272;1513908311;asciilifeform;so to expand : we take each 'out' , and follow it back as far as we can. ( when we meet a nil, we stop recursing, in that branch. ) when we meet a non-nil, recurse. when the recursion unwinds, the actual unixpatch (or phfian patch, for that matter) util invocations, happen.
1756273;1513908418;phf;that's what btcbase does™
1756274;1513908426;asciilifeform;phf did it correctly !
1756275;1513908440;asciilifeform;by not copying asciilifeform's orig. hasty, wartime vtron.
1756276;1513908451;asciilifeform;but instead implementing the Troo Algo.
1756277;1513908492;phf;he get a lot of mileage out of a simple graph walk algorithm
1756278;1513908537;asciilifeform;there's definitionally 1 correct graph traversal for any given vtree.
1756279;1513908543;asciilifeform;per leaf.
1756280;1513908551;asciilifeform;( per node, really )
1756281;1513908555;asciilifeform;you can press to any node.
1756282;1513909095;mod6;Hmm.  Ok, well, there *might be* a quick fix to this on my end -- not withstanding important original design flaws pointed out by asciilifeform above ^, seems that I have a possible idiotic thing in my toposort.  Once removed, *appears* to do The Right Thing.
1756283;1513909200;mod6;Will be looking at this closely/testing, etc.  If that indeed becomes the fix, doesn't negate some of the refactors Stan is discussing.  And those may be warranted in a later release.
1756284;1513909236;mod6;Anyway, more as I have it.  Thanks[
1756285;1513909809;danielpbarron;!!up l0de
1756286;1513909810;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1756287;1513909824;danielpbarron;!!help
1756288;1513909824;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1756289;1513910194;danielpbarron;!!up KutmasteR
1756290;1513910195;deedbot;KutmasteR voiced for 30 minutes.
1756291;1513910316;phf;"whatever happened to strong, silent types"
1756292;1513910348;KutmasteR;0.o
1756293;1513910358;danielpbarron;hi KutmasteR, who are you?
1756294;1513910366;KutmasteR;who are you?
1756295;1513910381;danielpbarron;i'll give you one more chance before the down
1756296;1513910407;KutmasteR;heard some guy talking about this chan
1756297;1513910416;danielpbarron;yeah that was me
1756298;1513910420;KutmasteR;ah
1756299;1513910442;KutmasteR;well hello
1756300;1513910452;danielpbarron;tell your boy l0de to get his key regged if he wants that free money
1756301;1513910479;KutmasteR;i honestly don't know him that well
1756302;1513910501;phf;is that same l0de as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752954
1756303;1513910501;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 01:18 phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
1756304;1513910517;danielpbarron;yes, that's how i found it. it's live again tonight and i just called in
1756305;1513910562;l0de;ya
1756306;1513910564;danielpbarron;guy's apparently been doing a show for the last 20 years, and in the beginning did it from a pirate radio station
1756307;1513910566;l0de;phones are acting up tonight
1756308;1513910569;l0de;I'm wokring on it
1756309;1513910614;danielpbarron;and for the record, (he claims) that he wasn't behind the spam. and has kline to back him up on that
1756310;1513910814;phf;i thought the spam was funny, because i want to his youtube channel and there was a bunch of very upset and confused people there. i thought it was an intentional, as they say, good show
1756311;1513911676;danielpbarron;!!up l0de
1756312;1513911677;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1756313;1513912056;trinque;when do they start the treason part?
1756314;1513912610;danielpbarron;idk, l0de picked my brain on how we're taking down the USG and i guess he didn't like my answer, but i told him i'd send him some bitcoin with the bot if he gets his key regged. he said he's never heard of GPG..
1756315;1513912762;danielpbarron;!!up nisstyre
1756316;1513912763;deedbot;nisstyre voiced for 30 minutes.
1756317;1513912843;phf;if only there was some way to capture a conversation so that it gets preserved for future readers
1756318;1513917186;danielpbarron;!!up MTW
1756319;1513917186;deedbot;MTW voiced for 30 minutes.
1756320;1513917190;MTW;hell yeah
1756321;1513917200;mod6;werd
1756322;1513917254;trinque;what's an MTW ?
1756323;1513917261;danielpbarron;he's with l0de
1756324;1513917305;danielpbarron;!!help
1756325;1513917305;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1756326;1513917387;trinque;lol, this guy is bitching about money
1756327;1513917399;trinque;how much coin did you offer him, danielpbarron ?
1756328;1513917404;danielpbarron;800 USD worth
1756329;1513917421;danielpbarron;!!up rainrawr
1756330;1513917422;deedbot;rainrawr voiced for 30 minutes.
1756331;1513917424;rainrawr;sup
1756332;1513917427;MTW;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OHjBd/?raw=true
1756333;1513917430;deedbot;5048EC06FA366D1350F5DBDD55A423FD89074FC4 registered as MTW.
1756334;1513917470;danielpbarron;!!up weevlos
1756335;1513917470;deedbot;weevlos voiced for 30 minutes.
1756336;1513917513;danielpbarron;!!rate MTW 1 l0de radio guy
1756337;1513917516;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Foa8i/?raw=true
1756338;1513917571;weevlos;!!help
1756339;1513917571;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1756340;1513917628;rainrawr;ok wtf do i do
1756341;1513917643;weevlos;!!register https://keybase.io/weev/pgp_keys.asc?fingerprint=b9185b95152960a319100120740941791782b3cd
1756342;1513917643;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-31#999223
1756343;1513917643;a111;Logged on 2015-01-31 01:28 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: He's sort of like an apostle.
1756344;1513917646;deedbot;B9185B95152960A319100120740941791782B3CD registered as weevlos.
1756345;1513917660;danielpbarron;alright MTW you can voice yourself with !!up
1756346;1513917665;trinque;rainrawr: announce yourself. who are you? what does your daddy do?
1756347;1513917666;MTW;hell yeah
1756348;1513917685;danielpbarron;lemme send you some coin here
1756349;1513917687;danielpbarron;hmmm
1756350;1513917701;weevlos;hook me up with btc dawg
1756351;1513917715;danielpbarron;!!pay MTW 0.01
1756352;1513917721;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hUQrh/?raw=true
1756353;1513917740;rainrawr;hi im rainrawr im just here to chat
1756354;1513917809;MTW;!!balance
1756355;1513917835;danielpbarron;give it a sec
1756356;1513917839;MTW;kk
1756357;1513917897;danielpbarron;!!rate weevlos the weev, friend of Emily Youcis
1756358;1513917915;danielpbarron;did we crash the fucking bot?
1756359;1513917941;MTW;looks like it
1756360;1513917945;MTW;!!help
1756361;1513917946;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1756362;1513917949;MTW;no it's slightly aliv
1756363;1513917950;MTW;e
1756364;1513917957;trinque;danielpbarron: you didn't put a number in your command...
1756365;1513917976;danielpbarron;oh right
1756366;1513917983;danielpbarron;but my verify for the pay command didn't return yet
1756367;1513917991;danielpbarron;!!rate weevlos 1 the weev, friend of Emily Youcis
1756368;1513917993;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zca8m/?raw=true
1756369;1513918011;trinque;and one sec on the wallet ops.
1756370;1513918046;weevlos;!!pay weevlos 0.1
1756371;1513918049;deedbot;You must be registered.
1756372;1513918474;MTW;!!balance
1756373;1513918477;trinque;danielpbarron: should be fine now
1756374;1513918478;MTW;danielpbarron that bot work or nah
1756375;1513918480;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mPjEC/?raw=true
1756376;1513918489;trinque;MTW: I have to make the wallets.
1756377;1513918495;MTW;ahhhh
1756378;1513918530;danielpbarron;!!v 6DF767B9CA157362E7B69C67342313A0AA02329F917870BA3965BBAFC1027200
1756379;1513918592;trinque;weevlos: anyhow you're the stormer guy eh? there was a thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708657
1756380;1513918592;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 06:14 mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer the correct solution here is to pay 1-200 per month for a dedicated server in a sane jurisdiction (ie, outside of nato). make sure you get a chunk of ips with it, then host all your shit.
1756381;1513918617;weevlos;yeah we have no problem with server hosting
1756382;1513918648;weevlos;our servers stay up just fine
1756383;1513918689;weevlos;the issue is the registrars
1756384;1513918700;weevlos;everybody thinks we don't have servers
1756385;1513918704;rainrawr;danielpbarron: how do i register
1756386;1513918729;trinque;weevlos: thread was more that DNS is and will always be in the hands of the enemy.
1756387;1513918746;weevlos;yeah
1756388;1513918848;phf;witness the domain registrar game sci-hub has been playing for months now
1756389;1513919204;weevlos;fuck jews
1756390;1513919207;weevlos;1488
1756391;1513919216;weevlos;wpww
1756392;1513919441;danielpbarron;!!v DA3A767B703CF9C1BB5CFBF05C27B1E79611010BB91EB376792989C74F85CC63
1756393;1513919442;deedbot;danielpbarron rated weevlos 1 << the weev, friend of Emily Youcis
1756394;1513919492;danielpbarron;!!pay MTW 0.054
1756395;1513919496;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Q05Gw/?raw=true
1756396;1513919630;danielpbarron;!!v CB3094811C6BBD862407F9CD6DFD04EB80A8398265CC1992BC13971B23B2DF55
1756397;1513919634;deedbot;danielpbarron paid MTW 0.054
1756398;1513919667;danielpbarron;that's for l0de
1756399;1513919674;danielpbarron;who said MTW is his rep
1756400;1513919834;trinque;!!up weevlos
1756401;1513919834;deedbot;weevlos voiced for 30 minutes.
1756402;1513919870;trinque;what prevents you from simply declaring an IP ?
1756403;1513919898;weevlos;lack of memorability
1756404;1513919899;trinque;or hell, designate a bitcoin address, and issue transactions with four outputs, one per octet
1756405;1513920070;trinque;!!up NoMo
1756406;1513920071;deedbot;NoMo voiced for 30 minutes.
1756407;1513920077;trinque;hello, who are you?
1756408;1513920085;NoMo;me?
1756409;1513920122;trinque;you were upped.
1756410;1513920239;trinque;weevlos: tell you this, if the kids can't even introduce themselves properly memorizing an IP for the revolution is right out.
1756411;1513920294;weevlos;we may get there
1756412;1513920299;weevlos;but we want to be a normal website
1756413;1513920304;weevlos;with a persistent brand
1756414;1513920320;weevlos;people arent going to read off octets
1756415;1513920324;weevlos;to a stranger at a bar
1756416;1513920351;weevlos;this isnt about our consistent readers
1756417;1513920359;weevlos;this is about the rest of the internet easily being able to find us
1756418;1513920365;weevlos;if we are pulling crazy shit
1756419;1513920370;weevlos;that's what a domain name is for
1756420;1513920372;trinque;it's a problem, because on the other side, this "branding" shit is going in the gas chambers.
1756421;1513920392;weevlos;"daily stormer" is a very successful brand
1756422;1513920401;trinque;and doubly "I can't be bothered to know a few integers"
1756423;1513920421;weevlos;well, reality is
1756424;1513920428;weevlos;most people can't be expected to
1756425;1513920436;weevlos;they simply won't show up
1756426;1513920660;danielpbarron;!!up rainrawr
1756427;1513920660;deedbot;rainrawr voiced for 30 minutes.
1756428;1513920669;rainrawr;sweet
1756429;1513920670;rainrawr;thanks
1756430;1513920687;danielpbarron;http://p.bvulpes.com/
1756431;1513920890;danielpbarron;!!up StarmanDeluxe
1756432;1513920890;deedbot;StarmanDeluxe voiced for 30 minutes.
1756433;1513920981;rainrawr;!!reg http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OHjBd/?raw=true
1756434;1513921023;rainrawr;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OHjBd/?raw=true
1756435;1513921025;deedbot;5048EC06FA366D1350F5DBDD55A423FD89074FC4 registered as rainrawr.
1756436;1513921035;danielpbarron;!!rate rainrawr 1 l0de fan
1756437;1513921037;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kZlmp/?raw=true
1756438;1513921104;rainrawr;sup Techman
1756439;1513921154;trinque;!!up Techman
1756440;1513921155;deedbot;Techman voiced for 30 minutes.
1756441;1513921267;danielpbarron;!!v 7CE81FDF0E9BC0468B1338809F62480FD9D69D02EB8D96E981C95CE3EFD111FE
1756442;1513921268;deedbot;danielpbarron rated rainrawr 1 << l0de fan
1756443;1513921276;rainrawr;!!up
1756444;1513921278;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hOGwx/?raw=true
1756445;1513921320;NoMo;let's all do acid and try to contact aliens
1756446;1513921342;trinque;!!down NoMo
1756447;1513921364;trinque;weevlos: what do you gain by making things easy for the stupid?
1756448;1513921502;danielpbarron;!!up toohigh
1756449;1513921502;deedbot;toohigh voiced for 30 minutes.
1756450;1513921512;toohigh;WHO'S TIRED OF WINNING?!!?
1756451;1513921551;danielpbarron;not me
1756452;1513921571;danielpbarron;!!up douchebag_
1756453;1513921572;deedbot;douchebag_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1756454;1513921578;douchebag_;yes hello douchebag here
1756455;1513921592;toohigh;Yes hello caller, your on the AIR!
1756456;1513921657;mircea_popescu;heh what happened here then
1756457;1513921671;douchebag_;yes hello
1756458;1513921684;mircea_popescu;oh that radio show thing ?
1756459;1513921686;Techman;Hello sir
1756460;1513921686;trinque;mircea_popescu: appears dpb crossed some streams!
1756461;1513921715;mircea_popescu;anything good so far ?
1756462;1513921772;trinque;eh nazis that can't and now I guess the kids are pulling out their dicks
1756463;1513921794;mircea_popescu;oh, 2 bitcent dick pix ? shall we do a today-only special ?
1756464;1513921805;trinque;loller
1756465;1513921874;mircea_popescu;douchebag_ toohigh NoMo rainrawr and whoever else, you seen http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ i expect ?
1756466;1513921987;douchebag_;yes
1756467;1513922015;mircea_popescu;aite, so write 4b1e6528 on your dick, take a pic, make 2 bitcents.
1756468;1513922132;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756146 << evident enough, admission or no admission.
1756469;1513922132;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 18:08 asciilifeform: i'll admit ftr that this item was one of the underlying seekrit crackpotteries behind asciilifeform's interest in shortwave
1756470;1513922196;toohigh;mircea_popescu
1756471;1513922202;mircea_popescu;yes.
1756472;1513922211;toohigh;The name of my first boat was: "Titties Forever"
1756473;1513922223;mircea_popescu;what boat was it ?
1756474;1513922229;douchebag_;kk writing it right now
1756475;1513922294;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756156 << exactly as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752680 : being rich doesn't necessarioly promise much, mensa is fulla high iq losers and marinas/golf courses/boardrooms fulla high networth losers. HOWEVER! at the OTHER END... if you're poor you're dumb, no question.
1756476;1513922294;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 18:29 asciilifeform: i gotta wonder how mircea_popescu squares pictures like this with 'net worth is proxy for intelligence', 'executives are skilled professionals', and similar
1756477;1513922294;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 09:22 mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
1756478;1513922310;Techman;!!register https://pastebin.com/raw/HWQNnsqt
1756479;1513922313;deedbot;B346C2114AC08E757348AFC6FE75457D86B20A0D registered as Techman.
1756480;1513922327;toohigh;It was Custom Pontoon Boat with a system and stripper pole that was sold the second time it was ever taken out, dude was running down the dock and flagged it down and bought it on the spot
1756481;1513922380;mircea_popescu;toohigh turned a decent proffit on the deal then ?
1756482;1513922384;danielpbarron;!!rate Techman 1 l0de radio fan
1756483;1513922389;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3emSY/?raw=true
1756484;1513922390;mircea_popescu;!!rate Techman 1 noob.
1756485;1513922392;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rO2ku/?raw=true
1756486;1513922453;douchebag_;kk i got dick pick
1756487;1513922454;douchebag_;what do
1756488;1513922463;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756167 << interestingly enough extant V can handle this diversion -- make each cut carry a single sig of the common trunk. then it'll split that way.
1756489;1513922463;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 18:39 trinque: I will post an experimental patch soon, when fit for other hands
1756490;1513922468;mircea_popescu;douchebag_ post it.
1756491;1513922479;douchebag_;kk 1 moment
1756492;1513922515;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756170 << quite. phf has it.
1756493;1513922515;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 18:41 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755738
1756494;1513922548;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756173 << lol exactly.
1756495;1513922548;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 18:44 trinque: asciilifeform: beauty of v is that these paths can diverge cleanly, operator can choose which lineage to press. patches appropriate for multiple lines, ground onto multiple lines.
1756496;1513922604;toohigh;mircea_popescu Used it as a down payment on a new cruiser ;)
1756497;1513922617;mircea_popescu;soon you'll outfleet the british royal navy.
1756498;1513922651;douchebag_;https://i.imgur.com/eSBAlSd.jpg
1756499;1513922657;douchebag_;14ozpqsUeBc4AnmfxLmySGzNDbirzxZUVY
1756500;1513922672;danielpbarron;!!v B3EB2526A253B081C626D5FCE4B5C37658441839A565B5D6CB8322292957E1B8
1756501;1513922672;deedbot;danielpbarron rated Techman 1 << l0de radio fan
1756502;1513922680;trinque;chortle
1756503;1513922684;pete_dushenski;douchebag_: wd!
1756504;1513922685;mircea_popescu;douchebag_ your face's not in the shot.
1756505;1513922688;Techman;!!up
1756506;1513922691;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qA911/?raw=true
1756507;1513922706;douchebag_;oh shiet sec
1756508;1513922713;trinque;Techman: if not already voiced, you'll have to pm that.
1756509;1513922760;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756189 << this is in my mind cca 1990s what lisp was FOR. a sort of php for fotran.
1756510;1513922760;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 19:38 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755450 << i've picked up a book in new orleans, “Symbolic computation : applications to scientific computing”, it's all macsyma and various sussman style scheme hacks for exploring dynamic systems, but an interesting trick that almost all the code uses, which i guess was sop in lisp world at some point, is to do visualization and control on a lisp machine, but do the heavy numeric simulations in fortran 77. the in
1756511;1513922773;pete_dushenski;Techman: is your name a reference to the techmen from asimov's foundation series, the ones who maintained old empire tech on a hereditary basis and had nfi how the "nucleics" shit actually worked ?
1756512;1513922808;Techman;neither
1756513;1513922824;mircea_popescu;Techman so what do you do ?
1756514;1513922934;pete_dushenski;!!balance
1756515;1513922938;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wfwwC/?raw=true
1756516;1513923057;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756230 << aww, why take it so.
1756517;1513923057;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 21:45 mod6: i simply curse the day that i ever wrote the thing
1756518;1513923067;danielpbarron;!!up Techman
1756519;1513923067;deedbot;Techman voiced for 30 minutes.
1756520;1513923092;danielpbarron;!!up rainrawr
1756521;1513923093;deedbot;rainrawr voiced for 30 minutes.
1756522;1513923149;rainrawr;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fIO5t/?raw=true
1756523;1513923149;deedbot;5048EC06FA366D1350F5DBDD55A423FD89074FC4 is already registered as rainrawr.
1756524;1513923161;rainrawr;!!up
1756525;1513923164;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bgCO5/?raw=true
1756526;1513923173;mircea_popescu;rainrawr now you decrypt that, and then !!v blabla
1756527;1513923189;danielpbarron;heh, i'm talking to her right now via voice
1756528;1513923255;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756258 << that's the idea. you can attempt to press any of the extant items seen on phf's viewer, see if you get correct presses. http://btcbase.org/patches
1756529;1513923255;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 01:59 esthlos: by selecting which keys are acceptable, we get a subsequence of acceptable diffs, which are then used to patch the source
1756530;1513923264;toohigh;mircea_popescu You on discord? We are talking to her now here: https://discord.gg/nVvgCfY
1756531;1513923277;mircea_popescu;i'm not on discord ; and who's her.
1756532;1513923299;rainrawr;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/j3dbr/?raw=true
1756533;1513923309;rainrawr;mircea_popescu: hi im her
1756534;1513923316;mircea_popescu;lol hi her!
1756535;1513923318;trinque;put the thing after !!v her
1756536;1513923319;rainrawr;hi :D
1756537;1513923343;mircea_popescu;gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available << ahem
1756538;1513923417;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756267 <<< quite, this.
1756539;1513923417;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 02:03 asciilifeform: ( the linear flow display was also a mistake, it misleads people, does not actually help anybody. really ought to have exclusively tree-flow display, as mod6 had )
1756540;1513923426;Techman;!!up CD6F4FA2F97A2B9D4070FFAD151231E9B4572DC560DE64FF94EB9BC54CD35CCB
1756541;1513923426;deedbot;CD6F4FA2F97A2B9D4070FFAD151231E9B4572DC560DE64FF94EB9BC54CD35CCB voiced for 30 minutes.
1756542;1513923428;mircea_popescu;contrary to what mod6 thinks, his v was actually very much useful.
1756543;1513923438;mircea_popescu;Techman !!v not !!up
1756544;1513923441;Techman;oh
1756545;1513923446;Techman;!!v CD6F4FA2F97A2B9D4070FFAD151231E9B4572DC560DE64FF94EB9BC54CD35CCB
1756546;1513923447;deedbot;You are now voiced in #trilema
1756547;1513923455;mircea_popescu;!!v is a general "verify my pending command"
1756548;1513923460;rainrawr;mircea_popescu: yeah i fucked something up apparently
1756549;1513923487;trinque;d'aw, this perky name is toast
1756550;1513923499;mircea_popescu;does that still work btw ?
1756551;1513923503;mircea_popescu;!!down Techman
1756552;1513923505;mircea_popescu;aww!
1756553;1513923509;mircea_popescu;!!up Techman
1756554;1513923509;deedbot;Techman voiced for 30 minutes.
1756555;1513923512;Techman;lol
1756556;1513923516;mircea_popescu;sorry about that, i fucked it up for you ; do once more.
1756557;1513923518;Techman;My bad mp
1756558;1513923524;mircea_popescu;nono, i was just livetesting.
1756559;1513923541;mircea_popescu;!#s from:deedbot "you can't do that to"
1756560;1513923542;a111;0 results for "from:deedbot \"you can't do that to\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Adeedbot%20%22you%20can%27t%20do%20that%20to%22
1756561;1513923555;mircea_popescu;old assbot behaviour.
1756562;1513923670;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756273 << aha. correctly.
1756563;1513923670;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 02:06 phf: that's what btcbase does™
1756564;1513923679;trinque;pretty sure the way it is now is lord can do anything to non-lord, or lord in bad standing.
1756565;1513923692;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah, it's ok as it stands.
1756566;1513923713;mircea_popescu;!!down trinque
1756567;1513923714;deedbot;mircea_popescu may not $down trinque.
1756568;1513923718;mircea_popescu;$down eh :D
1756569;1513923752;trinque;lol, stale response string
1756570;1513923753;danielpbarron;!!up douchebag_
1756571;1513923754;deedbot;douchebag_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1756572;1513923757;mircea_popescu;ahga. ancient.
1756573;1513923786;mircea_popescu;Techman anyway, i ended up testing bot behaviour, turns out it's correct. in the process devoiced you, but re-voice yourself in the same way and this time it'll stick until it disconnects. sorry for teh inconvenience
1756574;1513923801;mircea_popescu;but if one doesn't livetest on children who will one livetest on then!
1756575;1513923815;Techman;I don't even know that I did it wrong lol
1756576;1513923820;mircea_popescu;you did nothing wrong.
1756577;1513923891;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756297 << lol did you call in ?
1756578;1513923891;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 02:40 danielpbarron: yeah that was me
1756579;1513923898;danielpbarron;yes
1756580;1513923904;mircea_popescu;was it any good ?
1756581;1513923908;danielpbarron;apparently
1756582;1513923913;mircea_popescu;kek
1756583;1513923921;douchebag_;!! register https://pastebin.com/raw/eMLMBYv0
1756584;1513923926;douchebag_;!!register https://pastebin.com/raw/eMLMBYv0
1756585;1513923932;deedbot;EB901B424CBEE2900C2B09B5390F1C6A460DD6E7 registered as douchebag_.
1756586;1513923932;mircea_popescu;there you go.
1756587;1513923947;danielpbarron;!!rate douchebag_ 1 l0de fan
1756588;1513923949;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YAyOL/?raw=true
1756589;1513923974;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756300 << o you're paying 'em ? how much ?
1756590;1513923974;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 02:40 danielpbarron: tell your boy l0de to get his key regged if he wants that free money
1756591;1513923984;trinque;looks like I got the auto-wallet-ulator working again.
1756592;1513923995;mircea_popescu;the what now ?
1756593;1513924026;trinque;the thing that makes these hordes new wallets when they register
1756594;1513924034;mircea_popescu;a. well that's good then.
1756595;1513924074;mircea_popescu;!!up l0de
1756596;1513924074;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1756597;1513924080;mircea_popescu;o hey, are you the guy with the show then ?
1756598;1513924113;danielpbarron;!!up toohigh
1756599;1513924114;deedbot;toohigh voiced for 30 minutes.
1756600;1513924121;toohigh;!! register https://pastebin.com/CcxV5x1w
1756601;1513924148;mircea_popescu;nospace
1756602;1513924195;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756317 << bwhahaha. this guy's sense of humour... it's like old spice.
1756603;1513924195;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 03:20 phf: if only there was some way to capture a conversation so that it gets preserved for future readers
1756604;1513924290;Techman;pa pa pa pa pa power
1756605;1513924294;toohigh;!!register https://pastebin.com/raw/uicn6MtZ
1756606;1513924297;deedbot;EE47A2D680D980E66E44D25FAA1FE77FE82B0F99 registered as toohigh.
1756607;1513924303;toohigh;Real Talk
1756608;1513924310;danielpbarron;!!rate toohigh 1 l0de fan
1756609;1513924312;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6sZ4H/?raw=true
1756610;1513924316;toohigh;prechiate!
1756611;1513924358;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756370 << lol
1756612;1513924358;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 04:47 weevlos: !!pay weevlos 0.1
1756613;1513924374;mircea_popescu;!!pay mircea_popescu over nine thousands plox.
1756614;1513924378;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dusH6/?raw=true
1756615;1513924433;mircea_popescu;o ya, weevlos whatever happened to that alfred chick.
1756616;1513924493;danielpbarron;!!v B22E3853EB6F7ED28C208F3C73DB308016E5867A74625E3F38F99A2196C9BE21
1756617;1513924493;deedbot;danielpbarron rated douchebag_ 1 << l0de fan
1756618;1513924514;toohigh;#1 LODE FAN
1756619;1513924543;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756403 << that's silly ; people have bookmarks, and otherwise little bits of paper. and phones. and so on. the problem of "memorability" is nil, stop advertising the enemy's tools. use nude ips, explain it's because domain names are made by jews to keep white people down, which isn't even all that false, and there you go.
1756620;1513924543;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 05:18 weevlos: lack of memorability
1756621;1513924548;mircea_popescu;as memorable as the holocaust.
1756622;1513924629;toohigh;A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR ALL THOSE LOST IN THE GREAT MEME WAR 2015-2016.
1756623;1513924660;mircea_popescu;in other news nobody cares about (ha-ha), i put a girl on an anal hook for the first time in HER LIFE!!! which made her way too fucking tight ; we were going to hang out and watch a movie, but then i was like, "take half hour, lemme see what's going on in chan". and now... here we are, she's reading the log in the livingroom.
1756624;1513924683;mircea_popescu;the internet ruins lives.
1756625;1513924709;toohigh;Hats off to her for takin one for the team
1756626;1513924729;mircea_popescu;there's no team, it's just me.
1756627;1513924741;mircea_popescu;THERE IS NO YOU IN TEAM.
1756628;1513924741;toohigh;team as an oxymoron xD
1756629;1513924820;toohigh;Kratom saves
1756630;1513924838;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756413 << not playing the game is the only way to win. be memorable through rejecting not through picking and choosing what parts of the idiocy to push.
1756631;1513924838;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 05:25 weevlos: with a persistent brand
1756632;1513924851;trinque;!!up weevlos
1756633;1513924851;deedbot;weevlos voiced for 30 minutes.
1756634;1513924877;mircea_popescu;not "i'm so fucking radical i wear vintage tshirts" but "i'm so fucking radical I don't even wear anything". fuck tshirts and i don't care what ditty is on them.
1756635;1513924925;toohigh;T I T T I E S  F O R E V E R
1756636;1513924952;toohigh;Try your hand at owning Strip Clubs and Adult Bookstore Chains ;)
1756637;1513924960;toohigh;110
1756638;1513924963;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756414 << the original slashdot.com was composed deliberately so that people COULD NOT read it to a dork. "oh man it's aiche te te pe colon slash slash slash dot dot com" "it doesn't work".
1756639;1513924963;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 05:25 weevlos: people arent going to read off octets
1756640;1513924966;mircea_popescu;worked ok for them.
1756641;1513925018;mircea_popescu;toohigh strip clubs are a fucking terrible business. it's ~office management for people who get a lot of dermatitis.
1756642;1513925075;toohigh;It can be run as a Gentleman's Club with 100's of beautiful girls and 3 ugly ones. (tm)
1756643;1513925090;mircea_popescu;i don't think you appreciate just how lazy even marginal girls are.
1756644;1513925094;toohigh;Should invest in Lysol lol
1756645;1513925105;danielpbarron;!!v FEFDFF454ACF461BCDAFFAD5EF64E6E3FF73AA12D485BCCA4406CC8628FD7609
1756646;1513925106;deedbot;danielpbarron rated toohigh 1 << l0de fan
1756647;1513925136;toohigh;There are two types of women who work at places like that: Ones who show up, do their best, and gtfo. The others show up just to see what they can get into.
1756648;1513925194;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, went with (same girl that ended up on the hook) to a coupla strip clubs here. holy shit you can't imafgine the horror. half dozen fat ugly mommy bloggers ; the poles were there, the stripper heels were on their feet, everyone SITTING. nobody dancing. no problem!
1756649;1513925221;toohigh;That's the worst
1756650;1513925227;mircea_popescu;for three to five dollars in cover you get to watch short people fumble about 1970s interiors.
1756651;1513925227;trinque;I assume what's meant by the "brand" is that they put ads on the thing.
1756652;1513925272;toohigh;All the old owners are retired or passed on, it's just not the same as the old days
1756653;1513925277;trinque;not gonna look that consumer spending horse in the mouth while it's giving the free time to shitpost on IRC
1756654;1513925302;mircea_popescu;trinque no. do you recall that discussion of "eulora" but really everything else, http://trilema.com/2016/what-lasts-forever/ ?
1756655;1513925341;mircea_popescu;the function of "it's a brand" here is to expand notional valuations into imaginary nonsense. "i am wasting time/resources and i'm not getting anything in return BUT THAT IS OK, because the imagined-castle-in-the-sky is growing!"
1756656;1513925436;danielpbarron;!!up r41n
1756657;1513925436;deedbot;r41n voiced for 30 minutes.
1756658;1513925438;r41n;hi
1756659;1513925439;r41n;im back
1756660;1513925442;mircea_popescu;toohigh this being costa rica might have something to do with it. last i heard say az was still doing it right.
1756661;1513925450;mircea_popescu;r41n make sure you control the key this time.
1756662;1513925475;trinque;hm. even worse; I could excuse the getting paid.
1756663;1513925494;mircea_popescu;that's the problem -- once the fountain of conceptual usg drunk from, weaning is VERY hard.
1756664;1513925501;mircea_popescu;we need a socialists anonymous thing.
1756665;1513925532;mircea_popescu;otherwise you keep ending up right back there on some "entirely new" path.
1756666;1513925566;trinque;really is insanity requiring a hard reset.
1756667;1513925585;mircea_popescu;first ground to stand on ; then reset. otherwise -- right back to "i only just"
1756668;1513925655;mircea_popescu;Techman say /query deedbot to open a pm session ; say !!up in there to it ; then return !!v the string.
1756669;1513925688;mircea_popescu;!!up StarmanDeluxe
1756670;1513925688;deedbot;StarmanDeluxe voiced for 30 minutes.
1756671;1513925690;mircea_popescu;!!up NoMo
1756672;1513925690;deedbot;NoMo voiced for 30 minutes.
1756673;1513925694;mircea_popescu;!!up KutmasteR
1756674;1513925694;deedbot;KutmasteR voiced for 30 minutes.
1756675;1513925702;StarmanDeluxe;Ahoy
1756676;1513925708;mircea_popescu;i wrote that kunt like 3x before i figured out why it dun complete....
1756677;1513925715;mircea_popescu;!!up cblgh
1756678;1513925716;deedbot;cblgh voiced for 30 minutes.
1756679;1513925774;Techman;Thanks
1756680;1513925774;trinque;I actually recall cblgh from another den.
1756681;1513925792;mircea_popescu;Techman wd.
1756682;1513925801;mircea_popescu;trinque oh ? who/s he ?
1756683;1513925834;mircea_popescu;!!up douchebag__
1756684;1513925835;deedbot;douchebag__ voiced for 30 minutes.
1756685;1513925836;mircea_popescu;got that pic ?
1756686;1513925867;trinque;iirc eurosomewhere dude that codes, ended up among a bunch of militantly meaningless portland dudes on irc.
1756687;1513925874;douchebag__;ive been trying to verify this account, accidently provided wrong pgp to the last username
1756688;1513925882;mircea_popescu;heh
1756689;1513925891;douchebag__;with deedbot
1756690;1513925903;trinque;you must re-register.
1756691;1513925910;douchebag__;i did
1756692;1513925911;mircea_popescu;trinque talk about "octet quad too hard". check THIS shit out ; i expect qualification here actually exceeds cisco qual.
1756693;1513925921;Techman;mircea_popescu: l0de is more than likely asleep right now; his show ended a while ago
1756694;1513925941;Techman;mircea_popescu: wouldn't want you to think that he was ignoring you, etc.
1756695;1513925980;mircea_popescu;Techman there's a lot of interest in shortwave here, as per say http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22shortwave%22 ; i suspect we have a lot to talk about. but can be tomorrow or whatever, there's no rush.
1756696;1513926063;trinque;mircea_popescu: the shitposting tics imo leak from inner loop of proving they can do whatever they want. hard then to fall simple instructions; the static overwhelms.
1756697;1513926123;trinque;*follow
1756698;1513926163;mircea_popescu;trinque as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/#selection-39.50-45.12
1756699;1513926186;trinque;yessir
1756700;1513926228;r41n;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/W9tPH/?raw=true
1756701;1513926232;deedbot;10E9967FDE69114DA2DDBAAE6194513F6DF00F69 registered as r41n.
1756702;1513926255;mircea_popescu;then alf is gonna wake up and be all "da fuck she cow pig indian candy had kittens!"
1756703;1513926315;danielpbarron;!!rate r41n 1 l0de fan
1756704;1513926317;trinque;wahaha
1756705;1513926319;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zHDRL/?raw=true
1756706;1513926327;r41n;!!up
1756707;1513926327;deedbot;You may not $up yourself.
1756708;1513926367;trinque;this is great. deedbot's getting fuzzed
1756709;1513926449;danielpbarron;!!v 548F750A56F8883BC90057AD2C4A087007C38127BFC6CEAED5E759CA1BBD8C73
1756710;1513926450;deedbot;danielpbarron rated r41n 1 << l0de fan
1756711;1513926458;r41n;!!up
1756712;1513926460;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lzF8D/?raw=true
1756713;1513926465;douchebag__;h
1756714;1513926512;r41n;!!v 616BA24A0A5E87321CE0E48D7FA9D6E53E5DC3C816940585710EA28672904E77
1756715;1513926513;deedbot;You are now voiced in #trilema
1756716;1513926515;danielpbarron;!!rate douchebag__ 1 l0de fan
1756717;1513926517;r41n;I DID IT
1756718;1513926518;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wkyc7/?raw=true
1756719;1513926530;r41n;mircea_popescu: i had to make a different nick but i got it!
1756720;1513926533;trinque;wd r41n
1756721;1513926545;trinque;are you the rawrchick?
1756722;1513926685;danielpbarron;!!v AC9575BA908EC36ACE1EC31EB2EAA3FED176A91DB31BBE30BD2BD6A539738E4C
1756723;1513926685;deedbot;danielpbarron rated douchebag__ 1 << l0de fan
1756724;1513926697;r41n;weevlos: why you fucking this up brah
1756725;1513926699;r41n;FUCKING WEEV
1756726;1513926741;trinque;danielpbarron: how far in was your call
1756727;1513926920;trinque;ah right at 9:50
1756728;1513927018;danielpbarron;right at the start
1756729;1513927229;cazalla;weevlos, nignogs with ghostgunners was some funny shit
1756730;1513927260;pete_dushenski;caz!
1756731;1513927273;cazalla;hey pete
1756732;1513927285;pete_dushenski;how goes ?
1756733;1513927300;cazalla;same old, kids doing my head in like usual
1756734;1513927317;cazalla;hows yours?
1756735;1513927359;pete_dushenski;a (giant) little chatterbox. he's doing well.
1756736;1513927528;danielpbarron;!!up toohigh
1756737;1513927529;deedbot;toohigh voiced for 30 minutes.
1756738;1513927532;cazalla;pete_dushenski, were you having another, or was that someone else?
1756739;1513927568;toohigh;President Dr. Donald J Trump is ushering in a new era of economic prosperity for the American Tax Paying Citizens.
1756740;1513927610;pete_dushenski;cazalla: i haven't publicly said one way or another, musta been someone else you're thinking of. wasn't ben_vulpes trying ?
1756741;1513927645;cazalla;seems like a bunch of rugrats abound
1756742;1513927692;pete_dushenski;must be all the optimism in the air
1756743;1513927922;trinque;lotta tight vocal chords on this youtube vid.
1756744;1513928321;trinque;the nazi faggot claims to have buds in hezbollah, because really, the most transgressive thing you can do is friend controversially on facebook.
1756745;1513928492;trinque;hadn't bothered to consider it, but this neonazis with citronella torches thing clicks right into place after suburban white niggers on the escalation game ratchet.
1756746;1513928500;*;trinque to bed, on that note
1756747;1513928722;toohigh;REAL NIGGAS ONLY
1756748;1513931050;mircea_popescu;r41n wd.
1756749;1513931128;mircea_popescu;trinque citronella torches ?
1756750;1513931288;r41n;hi
1756751;1513931316;r41n;was just reading 4chan biz
1756752;1513931317;r41n;lul
1756753;1513931376;mircea_popescu;anything good ?
1756754;1513931812;r41n;some memes
1756755;1513931815;r41n;nothing too great
1756756;1513931904;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in hairy arms on the tit shelf, http://78.media.tumblr.com/b7ee036a69b3fe70e635fc1daeb48b68/tumblr_naodugI1CF1tvbvqfo1_400.gif
1756757;1513931909;mircea_popescu;an' with that ima see y'all tomorrow.
1756758;1513941648;diana_coman;for fun: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/21/eucrypt-correcting-mpi-implementation/#comment-1011
1756759;1513950666;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i like that the url has blame in it
1756760;1513950737;shinohai;Buena dias, mircea_popescu. Here's hoping there are no forgtten tailor visits this Friday! o/
1756761;1513950778;mircea_popescu;lol have you been neural-networked ?
1756762;1513950805;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, yeah, the url has blame in it; the text there has avoidance in it I'd say, lol
1756763;1513950823;mircea_popescu;anyway, the girlz be back, errything's back to normal ; where by normal we mean i pay no fucking attention and shit just keeps happening by itself around the house.
1756764;1513950838;mircea_popescu;i've been trying to get breadcrumbs on the floor to STAY THERE for years now.
1756765;1513950872;diana_coman;try them on the ceiling then? might stay THERE
1756766;1513950888;mircea_popescu;diana_coman hey, one step at a time! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753228 etc
1756767;1513950888;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 02:55 asciilifeform: hey bureaucrat sees ~everythign~ as usg org chart, climbable, naturally has steps! itmust!!
1756768;1513950906;mircea_popescu;diana_coman lol
1756769;1513951225;mircea_popescu;in other thank you obamas, i can now buy 1kAmpere (crank) batteries for muh car. this means the damned thing can push out at the very least 14.5 * 1000 * 30 = 435kJoules over half a minute!
1756770;1513951240;mircea_popescu;if it weren't for usg spending billions of imaginary dollars for "electric cars"...
1756771;1513951266;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lipo cell + cap iirc
1756772;1513951279;mircea_popescu;nope, this is straight battery. no cap.
1756773;1513951284;asciilifeform;nifty
1756774;1513951315;mircea_popescu;item itself actually holds 3-5x that, if you're voltage-agnostic.
1756775;1513951405;asciilifeform;pretty great for starting yer dirigible's 4 3kHp maybachs...
1756776;1513951439;mircea_popescu;AAAAND with a 4.4 kW powerplant... you really can run all the electronics you possibly could conceivably wish to have.
1756777;1513951458;*;asciilifeform slowly eats log, omfg the aol 
1756778;1513951482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it's a lipo tho, it's good for mebbe hundred cycles
1756779;1513951484;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform coupla of the people might well have a clue.
1756780;1513951492;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah. lead-acid.
1756781;1513951500;asciilifeform;uhhh
1756782;1513951508;mircea_popescu;I KNOW!
1756783;1513951510;asciilifeform;~dozen then
1756784;1513951519;mircea_popescu;naaa.
1756785;1513951522;*;asciilifeform uses these here 
1756786;1513951535;mircea_popescu;free replacement 3 year warranty, baby.
1756787;1513951543;mircea_popescu;AND it cost like a hundy, which means... where's that trilema with the bug ?
1756788;1513951560;asciilifeform;you mentioned cranking tho, as advertised application
1756789;1513951564;asciilifeform;that's a hint
1756790;1513951577;asciilifeform;they aren't, dollars to doughnuts, warrantied for deepcycling
1756791;1513951579;mircea_popescu;well, sparkgap, cranking, what the hell's the difference.
1756792;1513951585;asciilifeform;massive diff
1756793;1513951587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it doesn't deep cycle over that.
1756794;1513951606;asciilifeform;cranking is a few seconds, a few % discharge
1756795;1513951620;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/entomologykos-4.jpg << here we go. bug buys you a battery!
1756796;1513951628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 30 seconds by spec.
1756797;1513951634;asciilifeform;use in ups, is deepcycle, potentially 100% discharge
1756798;1513951639;asciilifeform;aaaaaa see.
1756799;1513951710;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the application here was, "gee, how cheap is mobility!" ; but again : for a zek coin (as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752109 ) you can have 100 of these. serialize them, the half minute becomes eight hours.
1756800;1513951710;a111;Logged on 2017-12-16 02:45 mircea_popescu: technically .5 btc is "more money than zek is pewrmitted to have" as it is.
1756801;1513951712;mircea_popescu;A SHIFT!
1756802;1513951718;asciilifeform;alltheelectronicsyouwish for 30sec...
1756803;1513951728;mircea_popescu;per cockroachcoin
1756804;1513951746;asciilifeform;i think 100 of these would fall through my floor
1756805;1513951765;mircea_popescu;nah, what, 5kgs each ? ~same as hosting a card trading party.
1756806;1513951781;asciilifeform;truck cells ( which is what these are ) also vent H2 when charging
1756807;1513951798;shinohai;boom
1756808;1513951802;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : nerdy ho took me to the nerd's mothership here ; it dun look much from rthe road, but inside : manga store, comicbook store, toy and figurine store, sushi plant, coffee house, BAR, and highschoolers.
1756809;1513951811;mircea_popescu;shares parking with a fucking office depot of all things.
1756810;1513951825;mircea_popescu;AAA+++ would be surprised again most unexpected development.
1756811;1513951851;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is no disadvantage, we were making hydrogen bombs anyway rite ?
1756812;1513951872;asciilifeform;not in own submarine's battery deck, ideally
1756813;1513951887;mircea_popescu;steampunk is all about pipes.
1756814;1513951893;asciilifeform;( usn lost a bunch to h2 pops, in ww2 )
1756815;1513951959;shinohai;OMG BCRASH!!!! Shit is down -36.53% this morning despite Roger's latest pump.
1756816;1513951969;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should put zek in the dictionary huh.
1756817;1513952006;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gimme the ru notation if oyu have a kbd ready ?
1756818;1513952059;asciilifeform;зек
1756819;1513952064;mircea_popescu;ty
1756820;1513952067;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756403 << that's silly ; people have bookmarks, and otherwise little bits of paper. and phones. and so on. the problem of "memorability" is nil, stop advertising the enemy's tools. use nude ips, explain it's because domain names are made by jews to keep white people down, which isn't even all that false, and there you go. << Aha, seriously. How do you keep chanels open con las chicas
1756821;1513952067;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 05:18 weevlos: lack of memorability
1756822;1513952068;BingoBoingo;sans numeros de telefonos y weird alt-irc's like Whatsapp?
1756823;1513952075;asciilifeform;originally abbrev , з/к
1756824;1513952095;asciilifeform;заключённый
1756825;1513952194;BingoBoingo; in other thank you obamas, i can now buy 1kAmpere (crank) batteries for muh car. this means the damned thing can push out at the very least 14.5 * 1000 * 30 = 435kJoules over half a minute! << AHA, y las baterias por las motocicletas ahora muy pequena
1756826;1513952202;mircea_popescu;aha
1756827;1513952270;BingoBoingo; use in ups, is deepcycle, potentially 100% discharge << No tiene un turbine por su UPS?
1756828;1513952298;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756463   <<< How'd I miss this gem last night, coulda had this room fulla traps
1756829;1513952298;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 05:49 mircea_popescu: oh, 2 bitcent dick pix ? shall we do a today-only special ?
1756830;1513952331;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Algunas baterias de motocicleta aca son LiPo!
1756831;1513952359;mircea_popescu;yeah, lighter.
1756832;1513952372;BingoBoingo;Si
1756833;1513952389;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary/#selection-233.0-247.2 << done.
1756834;1513952394;asciilifeform;mucho dinero, BingoBoingo , y muere en 2-3 años
1756835;1513952395;mircea_popescu;comments/suggestions welcome.
1756836;1513952426;BingoBoingo;But first I still gotta learn to bicicleta, then quizas tengo una Honda Wave o Honda PCX en 2-3 anos
1756837;1513952428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform la mayoria de los motos mueren en 2-3 anos ; y con el motociclista + un amigo!
1756838;1513952440;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo bmw!
1756839;1513952448;mircea_popescu;they invented teh fucken thing, and still own it.
1756840;1513952459;mircea_popescu;ducati can stuffit.
1756841;1513952484;BingoBoingo;BMW motocicleta demasiado alta para mi. No ergonomico
1756842;1513952494;*;shinohai thought of BingoBoingo when he saw this: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/tarnacion.jpg
1756843;1513952499;shinohai;dunno why
1756844;1513952535;mircea_popescu;according to cornmarketcap, bitcoin crash still work like more than a public servant monthly salary.
1756845;1513952559;asciilifeform;howsthat
1756846;1513952633;mircea_popescu;GS-1 makes 17 to 22k pa. 2140 is > that.
1756847;1513952714;asciilifeform;afaik those dun physically exist ( they start at iirc 5-7 in most ministries )
1756848;1513952730;mircea_popescu;hey, dead civ is reconstructed by the books.
1756849;1513952733;shinohai;I can't get enough of this Roger Ver ragequit video over "Bcash" xD
1756850;1513952768;shinohai;(For those that haven't seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCOjCEth6xI )
1756851;1513952792;mircea_popescu;can't be arsed to video. summary ?
1756852;1513952830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it'll take you A YEAR to make gs2, you know this ?
1756853;1513952839;shinohai;tl;dr he gets his buttons pushed because interviewer calls it "Bcash" instead of "Bitcoin Cash"
1756854;1513952915;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1756855;1513952923;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11191.59, vol: 47229.49783609 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11657.0, vol: 150423.08301224 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11355.0, vol: 9530.65342584 | Volume-weighted last average: 11537.0127915
1756856;1513952935;mircea_popescu;o noes, are we poor now ?
1756857;1513952941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only promoted to gs2 if the mops kept in top working order, all halls swept, i suppose
1756858;1513952942;BingoBoingo;Quizas?
1756859;1513952966;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at that level... if not beaten senior mgmt head against wall for a year straight, i expect.
1756860;1513952971;asciilifeform;oheyheyheylbj, 'cheap' coinz!
1756861;1513953068;asciilifeform;iirc the coinola stolen by usg from btce et al, was scheduled for waterfall , so possibly it, nao.
1756862;1513953101;mircea_popescu;if the price wouldn't move how would teh excitable stay excited
1756863;1513953153;BingoBoingo;Aha, the context and the laughing!
1756864;1513953314;BingoBoingo;In other unconscious association... Montevideo department (department being akin to a province) is abreviated MO, which is Missouri's postal code. At least once a day mi cerebro thinks Uruguay is in Missouri.
1756865;1513953333;mircea_popescu;weather just about wet/balmy enough too eh
1756866;1513953487;BingoBoingo;Aha, the median summer temperatures and humidity are very similar, but the extremes encountered in the Middle west don't happen as routinely here
1756867;1513953509;mircea_popescu;ya
1756868;1513953545;BingoBoingo;Come winter the lack of extremes should be still more noticable? Only below 0C en la madrugada!
1756869;1513953563;mircea_popescu;no fucking way it gets to freezing there
1756870;1513953661;BingoBoingo;The locals insist it happens at least 4 or 5 days a year in the mornings
1756871;1513953670;mircea_popescu;i dunno...
1756872;1513953675;shinohai;I loved watching teh latino immigrants here a few weekends ago when it snowed. Most have never seen it, so they were all dressed up in layers of NorthFace coats and gloves.
1756873;1513953741;BingoBoingo;shinohai: You should have seen the Brasileros y Brasileras at the Hostel for the expocannabis when the cool night wind blew in. Coats, blankets, etc...
1756874;1513953788;mircea_popescu;it got windy here a week or two ago. maaaybe dropped as low as 15C briefly. o my teh shivers, teh sads.
1756875;1513953814;mircea_popescu;i'd be like "hey, this car got no AC ?" and people would just park on the side of the road, to stare. blinkers on, everything
1756876;1513953826;BingoBoingo;Hay mucho veinto aca esta semana. Y entonces hoy, mucho sol fuerte.
1756877;1513953855;mircea_popescu;supposedly that's the best way to sundry the gringo : cool wind and strong sun. he'll fry before he knows what boiled frogs are
1756878;1513953856;shinohai;I had some weird shit happen to me after my surgery, cold doesn't affect me like that anymore. I generally never wear more than tshort outside around the house.
1756879;1513953870;shinohai;*tshirt
1756880;1513953913;*;BingoBoingo still can't believe how delicious the tap water is here
1756881;1513953924;mircea_popescu;ya montevideo had great water.
1756882;1513954009;BingoBoingo;And the salus half water half jugo de manzana isn't bad either
1756883;1513954246;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the wind/sun combination necessitates mucha agua y mas sunscreen
1756884;1513954366;BingoBoingo;If I could have packed again I would have packed less clothing and more electronics.
1756885;1513954531;*;BingoBoingo probably ought to bake a blog post on the past week's learnings por otro gingos de la republica
1756886;1513954536;shinohai;But chinches LOVE electronics BingoBoingo .... would have been a pita to get them out.
1756887;1513954541;mircea_popescu;what could it possibru hurt
1756888;1513954612;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "A bit of walking suggests this is because the locals tend to know very well where they get on and off the bus very well, but"
1756889;1513954616;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Only when they are powered up and on. No heat signature, no chinches.
1756890;1513954664;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty fxd
1756891;1513954681;mircea_popescu;and the observation is indeed fine. VERY bus-bound culture in south and central america. between the strange "strong families" where you'll see batshit insanity like 20yo woiman OUT WITH HER MOTHER and, importantly, HIDING IN MOM SKIRTS, and the terrible eg signalling for cars everywhere etc, AND a very land-possessive mentality, most people will simply not go to any new place.
1756892;1513954694;mircea_popescu;if they know you there they'll come tro you, but self-power exploration is ~nil.
1756893;1513954707;BingoBoingo;AHA
1756894;1513954724;mircea_popescu;and the whole "danger" social discourse very much is an artefact of this.
1756895;1513954746;mircea_popescu;not to mention the PORTON!! everywhere. looks like they're preparing for imminent alien invasion, these fellows.
1756896;1513954762;BingoBoingo;I have heard much "don't go to ciudad vieja en la noche"
1756897;1513954799;mircea_popescu;imagine, i have girls going about half naked in stripper heels at like, 3am. scares the shit out of the locals for entirely imaginary reasons
1756898;1513954828;BingoBoingo;And what did I see? Idle young males! "OMG idle young males, maybe if I molestar them they just might be roused from idleness!"
1756899;1513954832;mircea_popescu;"oh, this is the bad part of town" "Why ?" "i just don't come here very often" "why not ?" "it's the bad part of town"
1756900;1513954839;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo exactly.
1756901;1513954862;mircea_popescu;"dude... flock of seagulls wrecked into the sidewalk over there couldn't get it up if i paid him to."
1756902;1513954938;shinohai;Lessee, I've been here almost every day for the past ~3+ years and don't ever recall an extended server outage on irc, yet this alt-irc telegram I'm forced to use with the girls goes down at least twice monthly.
1756903;1513954953;mircea_popescu;there's this formative moment in every pornographer's life (or at least, every pornographer worth his salt's life) where he's driving around a partybus fulla naked sluts and tries to pick up jocks from the street to fuck 'em. except... can't. even if they get in, which is a 1:10 shot at best, they can't really get it up ; and if they do it lasts half a minute and happens in the camera-unfriendliest manner possible.
1756904;1513954956;BingoBoingo;In James Lafond presents St Louis, Missouri all the idle young males would have been darker and tried provoking me to action with their racial slurs. Here, idle means idle
1756905;1513954976;mircea_popescu;(which is another massive giveaway of "leaked" sex tapes. bitch, that's not how accidental filmed fucking looks like.)
1756906;1513955001;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suspect portion of james lafond presents james lafond might be dramatization for the screen.
1756907;1513955067;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, sure. But I've met quite a few young abogados estadounidense who went drinking in St Louis and got quite the beating after responding to racial slurs in kind
1756908;1513955082;mircea_popescu;so did they respond to beating in kind ?
1756909;1513955105;mircea_popescu;this is how lower class makes friends, neh ? eternal and unmoved, first you cuss each other out, then you duke it out, then you're friends for life.
1756910;1513955106;BingoBoingo;Outnumbered and had the problem on having had the money for liquor,
1756911;1513955123;mircea_popescu;yeah, that numbers bs... it's sad, really.
1756912;1513955135;BingoBoingo;They went to law school, barriers of their minds, etc
1756913;1513955183;*;mircea_popescu personally spent half hour at age 15 trying to find the most effectual insults for this dude a mutual friend had just introduced ; we were best friends after that!
1756914;1513955185;BingoBoingo;Perhaps it was their first time getting punched?
1756915;1513955227;mircea_popescu;but in the usg sadlands... well... http://trilema.com/2011/are-you-a-muslim/#selection-115.0-115.526
1756916;1513955230;mircea_popescu;which is a damned shame.
1756917;1513955235;*;BingoBoingo will bake blog post after tarea
1756918;1513955278;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i have nfi why ANYTHING ELSE is deemed virginity in males. this. this right here. bitch, take a punch now and again, it's good for you.
1756919;1513955308;BingoBoingo;It's the primary value of having brothers
1756920;1513955313;mircea_popescu;or friends.
1756921;1513955319;mircea_popescu;or you know, a town, a country.
1756922;1513955349;BingoBoingo;That too, but brothers prepares one for friends, prepares one for town, prepares one for country
1756923;1513955439;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh
1756924;1513955527;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo  o hey, so you got a local gf basically ?
1756925;1513955586;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So it appears
1756926;1513955592;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1756927;1513955604;BingoBoingo;My spanish isn't quite good enough to be entirely sure
1756928;1513955615;mircea_popescu;nor most people's english, or w/e their mom spoke.
1756929;1513955628;BingoBoingo;AHa
1756930;1513955682;BingoBoingo;Anywas, it is good she is in Las Piedras and tiene trabajar, so I have time to get shit done
1756931;1513955700;mircea_popescu;very vaguely in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756072 : holy shit nobody thought that getinfo should include A TIMESTAMP ? whatr sort of broken minds come up with this crap!
1756932;1513955700;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
1756933;1513955727;mircea_popescu;and it's entirely symptomatic and representative. whole fucking steaming pile of shit was designed, or rather, "designed" by a bright idiot who was capable to compose an info screen without a timestamp on it.
1756934;1513955820;mircea_popescu;hole fucking thing EXISTS, in the first place, AS A HUMONGOUS AND HUMONGOUSLY EXPENSIVE CLOCK! but why bother.
1756935;1513956394;shinohai;What do yo say to the girl with 2 black eyes? Nothing, she already been told twice.
1756936;1513957160;mircea_popescu;reading http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756758 i was instantly reminded of http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#comment-117906
1756937;1513957160;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 11:20 diana_coman: for fun: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/21/eucrypt-correcting-mpi-implementation/#comment-1011
1756938;1513957167;mircea_popescu;that's a spakin' model, innit!
1756939;1513957179;*;mircea_popescu is glad he put the time into it back then, because today couldn't be arsed.
1756940;1513957689;diana_coman;ahaha, I admit I wouldn't put the time into modelling it to that degree
1756941;1513957771;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1756942;1513957775;mircea_popescu;i'm a total waster.
1756943;1513957789;mircea_popescu;nevertheless ; it's a good model, and so there we go.
1756944;1513958355;asciilifeform;'This bug has been with us since the version 0.0.0 of GnuPG' << lol!!
1756945;1513958450;mircea_popescu;i think PART of the problem is poor code-doodle separation.
1756946;1513958474;mircea_popescu;the fact that it was not used in mpi anything might be an indication orig author just included some notes for later and forgot to mark them for anyone else.
1756947;1513958491;asciilifeform;was used tho
1756948;1513958502;asciilifeform;and, as diana_coman describes, its brokenness artfully painted over
1756949;1513958529;mircea_popescu;where ?
1756950;1513958600;asciilifeform;grep for  q = mpi_copy( nminus1 );
1756951;1513958613;asciilifeform;i.e. discussion of the 'paint'.
1756952;1513958707;asciilifeform;mpi_tdiv_q_2exp is in fact used in primegen.c , but in such a way that its brokenness doesn't affect the output , 'accidentally'
1756953;1513958708;mircea_popescu;it's used in key primality testing ; but not otherwise.
1756954;1513958738;asciilifeform;right
1756955;1513958751;mircea_popescu;right.
1756956;1513958765;mircea_popescu;i suppose my point is muchly weakened by the evident effort at a cover-up
1756957;1513958778;mircea_popescu;but still, in principle. somewhere else, in a galaxy far away...
1756958;1513958792;asciilifeform;that was asciilifeform's point. the 'mens rea' is screamingly there
1756959;1513958798;asciilifeform;not 'doodles', nope.
1756960;1513958833;asciilifeform;the doodles thing might apply to some of shitoshi's warcrimes. but not here.
1756961;1513958910;mircea_popescu;so fucking epic, "this was fixed four years ago so SIXTEEN YEARS of it being not fixed thereby went away"
1756962;1513958925;mircea_popescu;femthink, "i finally got a husband, so it dun matter i'm 48 anymore"
1756963;1513958935;mircea_popescu;JUST AS MARRIED AS ALL THE OTHERS
1756964;1513959458;asciilifeform;astonishing liquishit, and it takes quite a bit to astonish asciilifeform
1756965;1513959463;asciilifeform;complete with pile of c macros
1756966;1513959498;asciilifeform;( i cut out 10 pounds for each 1 remaining, but naturally could not cut into the living meat , principle was 'what is actually called in gpg' )
1756967;1513960662;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756749 << you know, the 'ctrl-alt-right' version of the 'occupy wall street' hipsters. They go down to the $walmart and buy bakers dozen of those anti-mosquito 'tiki torches' people use at bbqs, then go $downtown and 'protest' something or other while calling themselves 'neo-nazis' or somesuch
1756968;1513960662;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 08:25 mircea_popescu: trinque citronella torches ?
1756969;1513960700;mircea_popescu;but why the anti mosquito item ?
1756970;1513960737;mircea_popescu;oh wait, only accessible (at walmart, won't go to jail fgor using) yet still vaguely recognizable torch ersatz ?
1756971;1513960759;lobbes;Exactly
1756972;1513960770;mircea_popescu;christ on a fucking cracker!
1756973;1513960813;mircea_popescu;how about overturn police car, empty govt employee innards, replace skin with gasoline from tank, burn that ?
1756974;1513960817;mircea_popescu;skull torches!
1756975;1513960860;lobbes;That'd require crossing the threshold of doing something other than declaring "I am x"
1756976;1513960876;mircea_popescu;o right, little girls would have to cross into manhood ? ONOES
1756977;1513961013;lobbes;Oya, much safer to keep "controversial" facebook phriends from comfort of mom's basement (which, amusingly, not safe at all as Facebook is honeypot, but whatevs)
1756978;1513961144;mircea_popescu;in other notes to the self, I was recently looking desperately for that discussion of the static/dynamic infantile error, but gave up in frustration. neverhteless, here it is : http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#selection-221.55-225.273
1756979;1513961164;mircea_popescu;"The infantile mind doesn't go away. It just withdraws."
1756980;1513962579;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in goxologies, https://archive.is/fFman
1756981;1513962705;asciilifeform;from same rag, meanwhile, 'Warren Buffett's top lieutenant, Charlie Munger, is a bitcoin skeptic. Munger was asked for his views on cryptocurrencies during a University of Michigan's Ross School of Business event. "I think it is perfectly asinine to even pause to think about them," Munger said. "It's bad people, crazy bubble, bad idea, luring people into the concept of easy wealth without much insight or work. That's the last thing o
1756982;1513962706;asciilifeform;n Earth you should think about … There's just a whole lot of things that aren't going to work for you. Figure out what they are and avoid them like the plague. And one of them is bitcoin. … It is total insanity."'
1756983;1513962708;asciilifeform;didjaknow!!
1756984;1513962778;asciilifeform;and , on top of this ,
1756985;1513962779;asciilifeform;'You know it is one thing to think gold has some marvelous store of value because man has no way of inventing more gold or getting it very easily, so it has the advantage of rarity. Believe me, man is capable of somehow creating more bitcoin. … They tell you there are rules and they can't do it. Don't believe them. When there is enough incentive, bad things will happen.'
1756986;1513962826;asciilifeform;( sores, for the dedicated entomologist : https://archive.is/TMSQ3 )
1756987;1513963025;mircea_popescu;he'd better be.
1756988;1513963067;asciilifeform;hm?
1756989;1513963076;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol why is cnn listing coinbase prices in 4 digits ?
1756990;1513963088;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform charlie munger'd better be scared of bitcoin.
1756991;1513963103;*;mircea_popescu waves at weevlos 
1756992;1513963107;weevlos;trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
1756993;1513963122;weevlos;mircea_popescu: emily youcis is working with sam hyde on an animated project
1756994;1513963146;mircea_popescu;weevlos that's fucking stupid, the media game. sooner or later you either become cnn or get bought by cnn. but humour me, how much does this "media publication" thing pay ?
1756995;1513963153;asciilifeform;!#s rezistenta prin cultura
1756996;1513963154;a111;3 results for "rezistenta prin cultura", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rezistenta%20prin%20cultura
1756997;1513963160;BingoBoingo;weevlos: La gente normal esta aca. No esta aca, no gente normal.
1756998;1513963170;weevlos;it pays more than any job i've had since the feds showed up in my life
1756999;1513963171;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "no es normal".
1757000;1513963177;mircea_popescu;weevlos will not be specific ?
1757001;1513963186;weevlos;it pays me a couple thousand dollars worth of monero per month
1757002;1513963187;weevlos;generally
1757003;1513963199;BingoBoingo;gracias
1757004;1513963207;weevlos;plus extra tips from readers and viewers
1757005;1513963229;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1757006;1513963230;weevlos;which is variable, the best month i think i did 6 BTC
1757007;1513963237;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13251.09, vol: 52151.12940279 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12640.0, vol: 163425.22659539 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12950.0, vol: 10389.209106 | Volume-weighted last average: 12795.2877691
1757008;1513963265;weevlos;generally it will be at least another thousand dollars ish
1757009;1513963277;weevlos;and i live in an area where the average salary is $170 a month, it is real money here
1757010;1513963284;mircea_popescu;weevlos suppose i pay you 12`795 in cash to a) ditch the "domain name" and use IP permanently ; replace whatever ads you have with trilema links and never EVER link anything from the usg empire again.
1757011;1513963290;mircea_popescu;and we can revisit this discussion in three months.
1757012;1513963293;mircea_popescu;how about that ?
1757013;1513963316;weevlos;1) that's not my call to make, i am only one employee
1757014;1513963324;asciilifeform;oh here it begins...
1757015;1513963328;weevlos;2) thats only close to a month of operations budget
1757016;1513963330;mircea_popescu;that's unfortunate. who owns the item then ?
1757017;1513963334;BingoBoingo;lol coffee meets battleship
1757018;1513963336;weevlos;andrew anglin
1757019;1513963345;mircea_popescu;so send him over, maybe we can work something out.
1757020;1513963360;mircea_popescu;the current "i'm trying to make a non-cnn cnn" thing is doomed to fail and in the process waste your lives.
1757021;1513963377;weevlos;maybe, we are having a lot of fun with it
1757022;1513963385;weevlos;and it pays bills in meantime
1757023;1513963411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform worst comes to worst, suddenly conde nast or w/e usg.microsoft in the space suddenly decides it always wanted to spend some paper millions.
1757024;1513963449;asciilifeform;for what do we need an n-th koch
1757025;1513963462;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1757026;1513963464;asciilifeform;imho plenty of kochs to go around.
1757027;1513963470;shinohai;http://i.4cdn.org/b/1513961913273.png   <<< This hilariousness
1757028;1513963513;asciilifeform;dafuq is that , shinohai
1757029;1513963514;mircea_popescu;dun load.
1757030;1513963561;shinohai;It's some sort of segwit spam floating around chans .... says "Stop using non-segwit wallets"
1757031;1513963569;mircea_popescu;heh mkay.
1757032;1513963601;shinohai;Uploaded here: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/segwit.png
1757033;1513963603;mircea_popescu;let me guess, your not following usg.bitcoin "official" trunk makes charlie munger's wishful thinking that harder to "come true" ?
1757034;1513963645;mircea_popescu;lel. good thind 3addresses aren't accepted most places with actual money to spend.
1757035;1513963721;shinohai;Someone did a giveaway thread last night, another anon posted an addy - got bits sent - then rekt when he realized "I posted mah Bcash wallet"
1757036;1513963786;mircea_popescu;why ? can use same keys neh ?
1757037;1513963881;shinohai;Yeah, but derp was using blokechain webwallet, so not a real BTC client.
1757038;1513963889;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1757039;1513963893;BingoBoingo;lol
1757040;1513963956;shinohai;afaik you can sweep keys and even export from blockchain, but is pita. No easy way to export any keys from there.
1757041;1513963982;mircea_popescu;ya
1757042;1513964454;shinohai;I imagine the whole point of "difficult to export keyz" and "adding Bcrash and mETH support" is to help liberate derps from their real coin.
1757043;1513965076;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/22/essential-survival-spanish-for-the-disoriented-gringo/ << Bingo Blog - Essential Survival Spanish For The Disoriented Gringo
1757044;1513966614;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo incistently lol
1757045;1513966685;mircea_popescu;anywya, como anda, que me dices, variation is available.
1757046;1513966703;mircea_popescu;occulude lmao
1757047;1513966870;mircea_popescu;!!up BigTexasBingo
1757048;1513966871;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1757049;1513966895;BigTexasBingo;Gracias, will correct after getting some sun on my pasty self
1757050;1513966909;mircea_popescu;no rush
1757051;1513966953;BigTexasBingo;Por la chica.
1757052;1513967072;BigTexasBingo;Says she was robbed today getting off the bus. Will see how she plays this, if scammy direction there's ~1 million other datable girls within 40 km
1757053;1513967113;BigTexasBingo;Apparently a mundane bag snatching
1757054;1513967216;BigTexasBingo;Which nearly happened to me on day 2, so could be credible
1757055;1513967537;shinohai;BigTexasBingo: does Uruguay allow for concealed carry?
1757056;1513967711;BigTexasBingo;"allow" is a very flexible word here
1757057;1513967732;BigTexasBingo;Brb
1757058;1513968461;asciilifeform;!!up indiancandy1
1757059;1513968461;deedbot;indiancandy1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1757060;1513968532;indiancandy1;where is shino
1757061;1513968537;indiancandy1;thaks ascii
1757062;1513968751;trinque;yknow if you type the whole name, it highlights them even.
1757063;1513968765;trinque;better yet, type some, hit tab!
1757064;1513969102;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, did anyone know GS-* folk captive at work are stuck interneting via https://data.maryland.gov/browse ?
1757065;1513969147;asciilifeform;wassat
1757066;1513969161;mircea_popescu;(leaving aside how maryland.gov uses a cert that doesn't cover maryland.gov lol)
1757067;1513969173;asciilifeform;loox like a md item, naught to do with fed 'gs'
1757068;1513969193;mircea_popescu;i thought everyone around the dc cancer was a federal employee.
1757069;1513969221;asciilifeform;nope. for instance university plankton are stateemployees
1757070;1513969230;mircea_popescu;that must suck.
1757071;1513969237;asciilifeform;it sucketh mightily
1757072;1513969272;asciilifeform;( though i suppose depends whom, tenured prof's feudal throne sucks , i suppose, least )
1757073;1513969308;mircea_popescu;do they even give out tenures anymore ?
1757074;1513969317;mircea_popescu;or is it by now entirely fossilized carrot of vhs-usa
1757075;1513969394;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1: Que tal?
1757076;1513969399;indiancandy1;i think u should become a senator
1757077;1513969402;indiancandy1;mp
1757078;1513969408;indiancandy1;i think you would be a great leader
1757079;1513969413;BingoBoingo;Senator would be a demotion for mircea_popescu
1757080;1513969418;trinque;d'aww
1757081;1513969423;indiancandy1;he cant run for president
1757082;1513969427;indiancandy1;his not american
1757083;1513969433;BingoBoingo;President, also a demotion
1757084;1513969451;indiancandy1;but i think he has the right personaloty
1757085;1513969455;indiancandy1;personality
1757086;1513969468;indiancandy1;or maybe he should turn romania to the new germany
1757087;1513969474;indiancandy1;challenge yes
1757088;1513969477;indiancandy1;but i belive you can do it
1757089;1513969487;BingoBoingo;Eh, president doesn't have much power. More effective to be anti-president. It's a resistance of the medium sort of thing
1757090;1513969500;indiancandy1;build the economy of romania
1757091;1513969507;indiancandy1;create a strong defense
1757092;1513969525;indiancandy1;put us balkans on the map
1757093;1513969526;indiancandy1;lol
1757094;1513969533;indiancandy1;just a thought
1757095;1513969559;indiancandy1;bingoboingo hello
1757096;1513969576;indiancandy1;@bingoboingo sorry gia sou
1757097;1513969591;BingoBoingo;lol, todo bien
1757098;1513969616;shinohai;Oh hai indiancandy1
1757099;1513969632;indiancandy1;are you american bingo
1757100;1513969681;indiancandy1;shino u got time now?
1757101;1513969728;shinohai;Sure, sign back in as Sofia and we'll get you squared away.
1757102;1513969733;indiancandy1;okay
1757103;1513969766;mircea_popescu;aaand in other hot chicks hardware, http://ucanr.edu/blogs/anrnews/index.cfm?tagname=google.org
1757104;1513969777;BingoBoingo;!~later tell indiancandy1 I am a poor refugee child
1757105;1513969777;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1757106;1513969820;shinohai;!!up sofiababy
1757107;1513969820;deedbot;sofiababy voiced for 30 minutes.
1757108;1513969823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hilariously, asciilifeform's been to the national '4h' hq
1757109;1513969843;mircea_popescu;anything good ?
1757110;1513969843;asciilifeform;( there was a wholly unrelated event there , many many yrs ago )
1757111;1513969844;BingoBoingo;Ah, alt boyscouts
1757112;1513969860;asciilifeform;lotta pictures of 'prize' farm animals etc
1757113;1513969861;asciilifeform;on the walls.
1757114;1513969885;asciilifeform;very 'agronomist'-flavoured .
1757115;1513969908;BingoBoingo;They have a strong presence at every rural county fair
1757116;1513969916;asciilifeform;some of the oldest halls at uni of md had similar flavour, even smell, decour, etc. until recently torn down
1757117;1513970004;sofiababy;are you american bingo
1757118;1513970016;BingoBoingo;sofiababy: I am a refugee
1757119;1513970028;sofiababy;from?
1757120;1513970035;BingoBoingo;Estados Unidos
1757121;1513970037;sofiababy;where did you take refuge
1757122;1513970068;BingoBoingo;A paradise that Brazilians and other residents of vacation destinations vacation to
1757123;1513970106;BingoBoingo;Es muy tranquilo aca.
1757124;1513970114;sofiababy;my spanish is very bad im greek
1757125;1513970121;BingoBoingo;No mucho gringos aca.
1757126;1513970133;BingoBoingo;sofiababy: The only way to learn it is to use it.
1757127;1513970156;sofiababy;i agree well il learn spanish if you learn swahilli
1757128;1513970182;BingoBoingo;Who could I talk to in Swahili, and who said I knew spanish?
1757129;1513970192;sofiababy;i speak swahili
1757130;1513970206;BingoBoingo;With whom?
1757131;1513970212;sofiababy;i grew up in africa
1757132;1513970224;BingoBoingo;When's the last time you spoke swahili?
1757133;1513970225;sofiababy;living in london i dont speak it anymore no one to speak wit it
1757134;1513970227;mircea_popescu;man this is getting tedious.
1757135;1513970230;mircea_popescu;!!down sofiababy
1757136;1513970235;asciilifeform;aaah
1757137;1513970270;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757073 << in living memory it's been a rarity. approx as many tenures issued , per yr, as senatorships
1757138;1513970270;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 19:01 mircea_popescu: do they even give out tenures anymore ?
1757139;1513970293;mircea_popescu;good thing nobody told the subretard kids, they still chase it as a life choice.
1757140;1513970308;asciilifeform;~same odds as in pro sport
1757141;1513970314;mircea_popescu;"what's worse than being really really dumb ? being a really really smart american."
1757142;1513970317;asciilifeform;and there's no shortage of would-be footballists
1757143;1513970473;BingoBoingo;Eh, failed footballist usually at least good for work in the trades
1757144;1513970483;BingoBoingo;failed academist good for ???
1757145;1513970486;asciilifeform;and failed tenurist... well, depending on what kind.
1757146;1513970499;mircea_popescu;generally they end up cloggiong the start-up "market"
1757147;1513970507;asciilifeform;naaah
1757148;1513970510;asciilifeform;those want youngsters.
1757149;1513970523;*;mircea_popescu has observed this, 3 idiots around a table, "hey, we were educated at $ivy-league, we should be able to come up with something".
1757150;1513970544;asciilifeform;( sometimes yes, end up in sv, but as active perpetrators of scamola, rather than foot-soldiers )
1757151;1513970566;mircea_popescu;you think of sv in terms of what the andressen-graham-etc scammers ADVERTISE
1757152;1513970570;mircea_popescu;not in the sense of what is.
1757153;1513970797;mircea_popescu;what is, very much deadbeat 30yo+ couldn't make tenure, by bulk. a case of "your friennd wioth blood sweart and tears" nonsense.
1757154;1513970903;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/#selection-99.0-99.63 sorta deal. it's very fundamental this, "they told us this is the premiere science and engineering place IN THE WORLD!!! how come we can't compete with an average teenager ?"
1757155;1513970938;mircea_popescu;similarily and in the same vein, most waitresses in LA planning their acting career are neither hot nor young.
1757156;1513970950;BingoBoingo;Very much this
1757157;1513970984;BingoBoingo;Startup and acting career planning tend to happen after the possibility of fun has burnt up
1757158;1513971002;mircea_popescu;by mass, people "with an idea" and "a team" looking "for venture capital" are neither smart nor young nor actually part of a team or sitting on an idea nor anything else. it's a popular activity, so they're by and large ~= man on the street.
1757159;1513971185;r41n;is it time to sell bch?
1757160;1513971204;r41n;i think im going to wait until 2018
1757161;1513971207;r41n;since its only a few days away
1757162;1513971223;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1757163;1513971228;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13200.19, vol: 52635.54178735 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12906.0, vol: 165145.17139515 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13437.9, vol: 10493.4662906 | Volume-weighted last average: 12998.2851845
1757164;1513971250;BingoBoingo;r41n: There are two kinds of surprises. What and When.
1757165;1513971251;r41n;morning mircea_popescu
1757166;1513971280;r41n;BingoBoingo: i was thinking turning it into usd but if i turn it into btc i guess it doesnt matter
1757167;1513971311;BingoBoingo;r41n: Aha, that's how you leverage what to hedge against when.
1757168;1513971336;r41n;i have a few different coins, but i just got into cryto this year
1757169;1513971356;r41n;i was mad that i didnt get into btc when it was 25 cents or mine it, but once it started getting up to like $400 i decided it was time to get over that stupid shit
1757170;1513971389;BingoBoingo;The only thing that could be too conveient is hitting 100,000 too soon
1757171;1513971399;asciilifeform;lol apparently asciilifeform's neighbour od'd
1757172;1513971399;BingoBoingo;*too inconvenient
1757173;1513971407;trinque;congrats asciilifeform !
1757174;1513971408;asciilifeform;cops , ceremonies, whole orchestra
1757175;1513971414;trinque;maybe better neighbor next time.
1757176;1513971416;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA. Another thing not missed
1757177;1513971421;asciilifeform;hey it ain't my problem...
1757178;1513971450;BingoBoingo;It could be your problem if the next one isn't found before they smell
1757179;1513971655;asciilifeform;oh hm loox like it was ~guest~ of neighbour
1757180;1513971669;r41n;this chan is p much 100% btc right?
1757181;1513971692;BingoBoingo;r41n: Depends on what you are taking percent of
1757182;1513971693;asciilifeform;r41n: nope, it's about noncommutative algebras, btc is 3 doors down
1757183;1513971823;BingoBoingo;r41n: Quien es su padre y Que lo hacer El?
1757184;1513971913;r41n;BingoBoingo: idk never met him
1757185;1513971919;r41n;i was rasied by an engineer though
1757186;1513971936;r41n;i only ask bc i have a few shitcoins
1757187;1513971937;BingoBoingo;Ah, smart man su padre
1757188;1513971948;r41n;me or who raised me?
1757189;1513971972;mircea_popescu;trinque it is rare that od'ing neighbour is replaced with improved version.
1757190;1513971996;BingoBoingo;r41n: It rarely hurts in a meaningful way to unload shitcoins for whatever bitcoin can be had
1757191;1513972016;mircea_popescu;r41n http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736549
1757192;1513972016;a111;Logged on 2017-11-12 16:48 mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future.
1757193;1513972131;r41n;mircea_popescu: right on
1757194;1513972163;r41n;BingoBoingo: actually someone was pushing eth on me, so far its been a solid investment, i tired a few others, wish i had kept it all in btc now
1757195;1513972183;r41n;however what i have in shitcoins isnt enough to bother to exchange for me rn honestly
1757196;1513972237;r41n;now does seem like the time to invest more into btc though
1757197;1513972289;mircea_popescu;do you work ?
1757198;1513972342;r41n;yes
1757199;1513972345;mircea_popescu;doing what ?
1757200;1513972360;r41n;it technician
1757201;1513972393;mircea_popescu;like laying utp cable and shit ?
1757202;1513972409;r41n;no, i work for a small company, i make sure everyone's shit is running
1757203;1513972414;mircea_popescu;a
1757204;1513972424;r41n;i write policies
1757205;1513972432;r41n;dabble into our infrastructure a bit
1757206;1513972438;r41n;i do a lot of random things
1757207;1513972467;r41n;small company = get a lot of random shit put on your plate
1757208;1513972594;r41n;i like it though, everyone i work with is cool
1757209;1513973043;BingoBoingo;In other death throes: "In its latest attempt to rejoin the rest of us in the Tinder era, dating site OkCupid is getting rid of usernames. That’s not shocking at a time when online anonymity isn’t just an occasional annoyance but a legitimate threat to democracy, but it is curious in one way: In its blog post announcing the change, OkCupid seemed to go out of its way to mock its own users."
1757210;1513973382;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sores?
1757211;1513973696;mircea_popescu;r41n so how did you avoid pantsuit trap ?
1757212;1513974844;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/datamarylandgov/ << Trilema - data.maryland.gov
1757213;1513975455;mod6;weird
1757214;1513975853;asciilifeform;holyfuq there's several MB (!!) of js in'ere
1757215;1513975863;asciilifeform;betcha there's a miner, dropped in by conniving chair-warmer
1757216;1513975881;asciilifeform;( why use ~this~ type of delivery, i cannot say )
1757217;1513975919;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756696 sort of reminds me of this guy at burning man, he was a chubby dude, running around completely naked, probably rolling hard, telling everyone how "oh my god, i can do anything i want!!1". the average reaction was, that's good, honey, but be a dear and keep your ballsack away from my face, there you go
1757218;1513975919;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 07:01 trinque: mircea_popescu: the shitposting tics imo leak from inner loop of proving they can do whatever they want. hard then to fall simple instructions; the static overwhelms.
1757219;1513976357;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756759 << the terminology comes from the name of the git command, which annotates each line with it's source commit. naturally there's also a vocal minority arguing for the command to be renamed
1757220;1513976357;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 13:51 mircea_popescu: diana_coman i like that the url has blame in it
1757221;1513976983;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756823 << abbrev has a funny history: "заключенный красноармеец" because of early soviet labour army experiments, later renamed to "заключенный каналоармеец", i.e. builder of беломорканал, to make it more politically correct. initially the abbrev had implications of forced labour specifically, but only later was generally applied to all prisoners. (probably bec
1757222;1513976983;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 14:14 asciilifeform: originally abbrev , з/к
1757223;1513976983;phf;ause forced labour became pervasive during stalin)
1757224;1513978542;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757027 << why does it have a picture of varg vikernes?
1757225;1513978542;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 17:24 shinohai: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1513961913273.png   <<< This hilariousness
1757226;1513978658;shinohai;I suppose "stop using non-segwit wallets or I'll burn your church down"
1757227;1513978809;phf;aah, i get it
1757228;1513978894;Techman;Phew Bitcoin going back up
1757229;1513979369;*;shinohai waves at mod6
1757230;1513979409;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: sores? << WaPo
1757231;1513979436;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1757232;1513979446;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14422.39, vol: 54932.64668411 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13690.0, vol: 170341.62621276 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14385.2, vol: 10663.6731266 | Volume-weighted last average: 13891.9408385
1757233;1513980641;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757221 << dunforget... забайкальский комсомолец !
1757234;1513980641;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 21:09 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756823 << abbrev has a funny history: "заключенный красноармеец" because of early soviet labour army experiments, later renamed to "заключенный каналоармеец", i.e. builder of беломорканал, to make it more politically correct. initially the abbrev had implications of forced labour specifically, but only later was generally applied to all prisoners. (probably bec
1757235;1513981861;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757215 Then there is when the whole premise of you coin is this type of spamola >>> http://archive.is/lOy8f
1757236;1513981861;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 20:51 asciilifeform: betcha there's a miner, dropped in by conniving chair-warmer
1757237;1513982429;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron your memorabilitiem was sent earlier.
1757238;1513982758;mod6;how goes shinohai ?
1757239;1513982812;shinohai;Good here, rainy evening + hot tea and reading. You?
1757240;1513982954;mod6;not much. lookin at v stuffs
1757241;1513982998;*;asciilifeform working on unexpectedly massive ffa-series piece
1757242;1513982998;shinohai;Cool, feel free to otr me if you need another pair of eyes to test stuff this eve/weekend.
1757243;1513983015;mod6;thanks shinohai
1757244;1513983155;shinohai;np anytime!
1757245;1513984951;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757216 << it's the question though, i don't see any sort of self-delusion path that'd incentivize the behaviour. quo fucking prodest ?
1757246;1513984951;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 20:51 asciilifeform: ( why use ~this~ type of delivery, i cannot say )
1757247;1513984985;*;asciilifeform still can't think of anything like a hypothesis for this
1757248;1513985001;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757217 << amusingly, there was an always-naked, almost-spherical, older dude at bsas bdsm club. harmless, really, just wanted to spectate from a corner and jack off now and again
1757249;1513985001;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 20:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756696 sort of reminds me of this guy at burning man, he was a chubby dude, running around completely naked, probably rolling hard, telling everyone how "oh my god, i can do anything i want!!1". the average reaction was, that's good, honey, but be a dear and keep your ballsack away from my face, there you go
1757250;1513985030;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the null hypothesis being, i guess, that by now it's 100% falsified.
1757251;1513985120;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757219 << no, i know. it's just... funny ; they thought it was a joke.
1757252;1513985120;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 20:59 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756759 << the terminology comes from the name of the git command, which annotates each line with it's source commit. naturally there's also a vocal minority arguing for the command to be renamed
1757253;1513985249;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757228 << long term it's inevitable.
1757254;1513985249;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 21:41 Techman: Phew Bitcoin going back up
1757255;1513986710;mircea_popescu;!#s "micon"
1757256;1513986711;a111;339 results for "\"micon\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22micon%22
1757257;1513986719;mircea_popescu;dude what ever happened to this other roger ver ?
1757258;1513986725;mircea_popescu;iirc was the bigger one back when
1757259;1513986732;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/ho-tel/ << Trilema - Ho-tel
1757260;1513986776;shinohai;!!up joecool
1757261;1513986776;deedbot;joecool voiced for 30 minutes.
1757262;1513986868;joecool;hey
1757263;1513986891;joecool;any way i can have my decrypt subkey changed on the bot?
1757264;1513986899;joecool;that or sign a message instead like i do for gribble
1757265;1513986919;shinohai;Will have to ask trinque when he is available joecool
1757266;1513986950;mircea_popescu;you can change it if you still control it yes.
1757267;1513987017;joecool;mircea_popescu: I do, it's in another physical location
1757268;1513987047;mircea_popescu;i dun recall what the procedure is, does it let you !!register the new one ? (as in, spits out a v string ?)
1757269;1513987075;joecool;i'll have to check it in a couple days when i can get the other key out of storage
1757270;1513987102;joecool;unless being able to sign with my primary key is enough
1757271;1513987176;mircea_popescu;what is primary key here ?
1757272;1513987279;joecool;F495E1D1
1757273;1513987287;mircea_popescu;!!key joecool
1757274;1513987288;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1.asc
1757275;1513987296;mircea_popescu;so you can sign with it but not decrypt ?!
1757276;1513987362;joecool;correct, for whatever reason this smartcard would not allow me to import my other subkeys
1757277;1513987372;joecool;so i have two encryption subkeys on my uid
1757278;1513987423;mircea_popescu;i c. will want to hear what trinque says on this.
1757279;1513987491;joecool;in gribble's case i have the choice between eauth/everify (requires that I decrypt) and auth/verify (requires signing)
1757280;1513987518;mircea_popescu;aha
1757281;1513987981;shinohai;Ah ty mircea_popescu ... slowly making these linguistical connections.
1757282;1513987992;mircea_popescu;:p
1757283;1513988038;shinohai;It warms my heart then to know you are who you are, and likely are shocking their puritan sensibilities.
1757284;1513988043;shinohai;iffn they had any xD
1757285;1513988093;mircea_popescu;whose ?
1757286;1513988152;shinohai;"some antecessor was a priest"
1757287;1513988544;shinohai;!!up douchebag__
1757288;1513988545;deedbot;douchebag__ voiced for 30 minutes.
1757289;1513988560;douchebag__;h
1757290;1513988595;mircea_popescu;eh, i'm sure he'll be fine. eastern church a lot less hysterical, and besides, what's the big deal ? female slavery was the tradition anyway.
1757291;1513988622;mircea_popescu;as per thomas, i'll repent later when it costs me nothing anyway.
1757292;1513990159;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1757293;1513990164;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13750.0, vol: 57572.58293619 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12950.0, vol: 178993.591425 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13810.8, vol: 11013.9840011 | Volume-weighted last average: 13174.326958
1757294;1513990171;BingoBoingo;the thrashing
1757295;1513990857;shinohai;aha it always seemed to me the Eastern tradition had a more acute grasp of the human condition.
1757296;1513991354;mircea_popescu;in other news, woody allen is like the WORST diletante moviemaker ever.
1757297;1513991364;mircea_popescu;who the fuck thought this schmuck may be permitted to waste the celluloid ?
1757298;1513991685;BingoBoingo;Pedophiles thought?
1757299;1513991956;mircea_popescu;what, cuz he fucked that ugly azn kid his dumb wife imported for the purpose ?
1757300;1513991963;mircea_popescu;pedophilia should not imply bad taste.
1757301;1513991996;BingoBoingo;Not him, his funders.
1757302;1513992019;mircea_popescu;i thought the state of new york/federal budget were mostly funding his flailing.
1757303;1513992025;mircea_popescu;oh.
1757304;1513992034;BingoBoingo;Well yeah, funding him makes them respectable
1757305;1513992036;mircea_popescu;i see.
1757306;1513992058;BingoBoingo;Hay Clintons en Nuevo York!
1757307;1513993285;shinohai;What happened to indiancandy, in here offering nigger language lessons.
1757308;1513993728;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-167.163-167.231 basically.
1757309;1513994002;trinque;!!up joecool
1757310;1513994002;deedbot;joecool voiced for 30 minutes.
1757311;1513994043;joecool;Hey, I’ll be back in a little bit but you probably saw the log
1757312;1513994122;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757276 << kinda iffy on how to handle this. if I understand, you've got one subkey with you; the default deedbot's gpg wants to use is not with you.
1757313;1513994122;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 00:02 joecool: correct, for whatever reason this smartcard would not allow me to import my other subkeys
1757314;1513994153;trinque;in the past I have only ever made *any* changes to the deedbot keychain if the person can prove control of both keys, old and new.
1757315;1513994191;trinque;my preference is to not end up with some sort of complex "policy" around how deedbot should interact with gpg.
1757316;1513994822;shinohai;Is lamport parachute accepted method to you trinque ?
1757317;1513995017;shinohai;( otherwise shinohai does not know for what purpose this exercise was done! )
1757318;1513995402;trinque;!!up BigTexasBingo
1757319;1513995402;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1757320;1513995406;BigTexasBingo;In other updates. Chica not requesting an assistance related to the bag snatching, but wants to cook dinner. Uruguay, fuck yeah!
1757321;1513995489;trinque;shinohai: whatever ends up being ok, the ok list needs to get defined and permanently bound.
1757322;1513995512;shinohai;true
1757323;1513995535;trinque;I've helped people work around the gpg idiocy in the past (expiration dates) because.. gpg idiocy.
1757324;1513995543;BigTexasBingo;It also matters what key signed the parachute
1757325;1513995556;shinohai;no need for bickering VIII: The Kochaclypse
1757326;1513995568;shinohai;*bickening
1757327;1513995637;trinque;just pointing out that I might be corrupting the youfs by not taking a firmer line on "put a sane single key into deedbot and always have it, or proceed by the *only* mechanism to change key, or die"
1757328;1513995689;trinque;it's a rot that flows from relying on gpg, and I've thus far considered that tightening around asciilifeform's P is the appropriate time for it.
1757329;1513995736;BigTexasBingo;From gpg from gribble auth, from a whole lot of accumulated trash
1757330;1513995753;BigTexasBingo;Brb, done hacer pupu
1757331;1513996347;trinque;anyhow, there's no signing auth mechanism, and I don't want to feature creep the thing. I will however change a key for anybody that demonstrates control of both.
1757332;1513996433;shinohai;feature creep kill gribble so yeah
1757333;1513996700;trinque;the relationship to the wallet is also important to consider. wallet and deedbot do not share state, beyond deedbot initially communicating a (key, nick) pair to wallet. at that time, of course, the wallet is empty.
1757334;1513996748;trinque;"update" is always way more dangerous than "insert" eh?
1757335;1513998324;shinohai;to me beauty of your lispbot framework, its easier to keep things contained. i admit has been a bit daunting so far attempting to port all this crap from python.
1757336;1513998334;shinohai;ihavenoideawhatimdoing.exe
1757337;1514000230;shinohai;http://archive.is/36sPq << Shall we send conbase http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ ?
1757338;1514001207;asciilifeform;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757328 , today's ffa-series item will appear tomorrow, apparently was too big a bite for asciilifeform's mere 1wk
1757339;1514001207;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 02:21 trinque: it's a rot that flows from relying on gpg, and I've thus far considered that tightening around asciilifeform's P is the appropriate time for it.
1757340;1514001262;asciilifeform;( it will be obvious to the reader, why. but i'll keep it a fun surprise )
1757341;1514001423;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757327 << the important bit ( and iirc i emphasized this in the lamport piece ) is to agree IN ADVANCE
1757342;1514001423;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 02:20 trinque: just pointing out that I might be corrupting the youfs by not taking a firmer line on "put a sane single key into deedbot and always have it, or proceed by the *only* mechanism to change key, or die"
1757343;1514001449;asciilifeform;otherwise you will have no end of folx begging for 'just one' exception , and in the end devolve to socially-engineerable usgism
1757344;1514001459;trinque;indeed.
1757345;1514001562;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757275 << iirc gpg actually defaults to generating 2 moduli, sign-only an' decrypt-only
1757346;1514001562;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 00:01 mircea_popescu: so you can sign with it but not decrypt ?!
1757347;1514001581;asciilifeform;which is monstrously retarded, but koch did not ask me, lol
1757348;1514003957;trinque;asciilifeform: you didn't do anything other than remove the gcc-5.x step in my recipe, and worked?
1757349;1514003980;trinque;I just ran over here, build craps out of gcc-4 with "cannot create executables"
1757350;1514005161;asciilifeform;trinque: i must note, my gentoo is ordinary, rather than musltronic
1757351;1514005194;asciilifeform;( recipe closer to danielpbarron's )
1757352;1514005230;asciilifeform;i have not yet attempted a musltronic one.
1757353;1514005687;trinque;ah, k
1757354;1514021251;trinque;does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.
1757355;1514021320;trinque;maybe what ends up happening is that I produce a "stage 3" that's already had this nonsense done to it, though obviously there's value in preserving the lineage (in form of a build script) from gentoo to cuntoo.
1757356;1514021476;trinque;well. that keybinding is clearly too close to another.
1757357;1514021694;trinque;anyhow weevlos, and all you miserable, worthless 4chan fucks. the fact of the matter is there's less than one part per million worthwhile human being on this wretched planet, and while I spent my evening drinking pinot noir and chatting with a worthwhile lass that bought me Feynman's Lectures on Physics for xmas, you spent it pulling your dick on social media. when the world turns over, you will have much
1757358;1514021696;trinque;more to answer for than the people of walmart
1757359;1514021728;trinque;fuck you, die, and goodnight.
1757360;1514043817;mircea_popescu;!!up neur0
1757361;1514043818;deedbot;neur0 voiced for 30 minutes.
1757362;1514043854;mircea_popescu;here's a thing for the mechanical engineers in da hous, ben_vulpes asciilifeform and who ye might be : given two driving pegs A, B, how do you turn a spoke C such that it realises the DIFFERENTIAL A-B ?
1757363;1514043862;mircea_popescu;!!up blazeme8
1757364;1514043862;deedbot;blazeme8 voiced for 30 minutes.
1757365;1514043881;blazeme8;Morning
1757366;1514043885;mircea_popescu;how goes.
1757367;1514043894;blazeme8;Pretty good. On vacation.
1757368;1514043906;blazeme8;hbu
1757369;1514043943;mircea_popescu;pretty great myself!
1757370;1514044116;blazeme8;is deedbot custom or something open source?
1757371;1514044122;blazeme8;or both ^_^
1757372;1514044136;mircea_popescu;custom.
1757373;1514044156;shinohai;Feliz Sabado mircea_popescu
1757374;1514044267;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757314 << the principal fucking problem with the rank nonsense we're using is that idiocy of "subkey". consider mine : if you encrypt to 2FB7B452 which ~is~ my key, gpg will nevertheless encrypt to 16B8E32E. because gpg will use the master as sign-only and create a "decryption" key "automatically".
1757375;1514044267;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 01:55 trinque: in the past I have only ever made *any* changes to the deedbot keychain if the person can prove control of both keys, old and new.
1757376;1514044296;mircea_popescu;then to add insult to injury "picks the right one" also "automatically" at "any time"
1757377;1514044349;mircea_popescu;so in practical nonsense as grandfathered in, we posited already an equivalency so that if 1. something signed by 2FB7B452 and 2. somethinf decrypted by 16B8E32E then therefore 1 = 2 in terms of cryptoproof strength.\
1757378;1514044354;mircea_popescu;gracias shinohai
1757379;1514044510;mircea_popescu;so in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757315 which is on the face very sane, we are in fact in the situation of an undesirably very complex policy already. yet another examplke of what tmsr-rsa is intended to fix.
1757380;1514044510;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 01:56 trinque: my preference is to not end up with some sort of complex "policy" around how deedbot should interact with gpg.
1757381;1514044610;mircea_popescu;(if memory serves the original split, design choice made late 1990s, was due to either suspicion or reality that either sign or decrypt possibly leaked bits ; the idea of separate keys is not even bad, necessarily, but this does NOT say anything positive about a clunky, ad hoc, untransparent and machine-automagical key hierarchy system. so basically, people probably will have at least two keys in tmsr-rsa, except they won't b
1757382;1514044610;mircea_popescu;e clumped together into the monster we have now.)
1757383;1514044653;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757317 << amusingly that was never discussed in practical terms.
1757384;1514044653;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 02:10 shinohai: ( otherwise shinohai does not know for what purpose this exercise was done! )
1757385;1514044702;shinohai;I suppose it wasn't discussed, but I did rather enjoy the learning part of it.
1757386;1514044867;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757320 << hey, i played with what must've been 38G! boobies last night, and the girl carrying them in the world was all shy and had never seen herself liek, prancing naked around the house. fuck yea latin america, pais de los tetonas lecheras!
1757387;1514044867;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 02:16 BigTexasBingo: In other updates. Chica not requesting an assistance related to the bag snatching, but wants to cook dinner. Uruguay, fuck yeah!
1757388;1514044992;mircea_popescu;!!up blazeme8
1757389;1514044992;deedbot;blazeme8 voiced for 30 minutes.
1757390;1514045010;blazeme8;ty... i thought i'd be able to do that myself through the bot...?
1757391;1514045020;mircea_popescu;!!key blazeme8
1757392;1514045021;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/BA31C56ADA954AE6294B18E80E852B739BB7C3F0.asc
1757393;1514045039;mircea_popescu;blazeme8 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756668
1757394;1514045039;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 06:54 mircea_popescu: Techman say /query deedbot to open a pm session ; say !!up in there to it ; then return !!v the string.
1757395;1514045057;blazeme8;when I PM the bot !!up, it says:
1757396;1514045058;blazeme8;11:01:59 AM  You may not $up yourself.
1757397;1514045060;mircea_popescu;this poor guy is going to now be highlighted every time noob asks lol.
1757398;1514045072;mircea_popescu;blazeme8 ah, no ratings. aite, lessee... what do you do, other than "downtime rocks" ?
1757399;1514045078;mircea_popescu;!!rate blazeme8 1 noob
1757400;1514045081;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5yFwg/?raw=true
1757401;1514045081;blazeme8;nothing that I want to share here :P
1757402;1514045108;mircea_popescu;that may be, but ~nobody will think very much of you without an actual identity.
1757403;1514045126;blazeme8;man is born without an identity, how can one progress?
1757404;1514045160;mircea_popescu;no man is born without identity. if that man is woman she gets tits eventually ; if that man is not woman at very least has parents, some kind of history...
1757405;1514045179;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as nude birth nor there yet was in the history of the world. everyone's born with some shit between his eyes.
1757406;1514045257;blazeme8;well, i'm not interested in linking a 'real' identity. perhaps this is a waste of time.
1757407;1514045298;mircea_popescu;indeed ; nobody here is interested in your tulpas.
1757408;1514045332;mircea_popescu;then again, in due time you'll disover the ~other~ thing was a waste of time, odds are.
1757409;1514045361;mircea_popescu;the pompous idiocy of the zek, i swear.
1757410;1514045379;mircea_popescu;"oh, my real identity hasn't even started yet!111"
1757411;1514045409;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757327 << this is a solid concern also.
1757412;1514045409;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 02:20 trinque: just pointing out that I might be corrupting the youfs by not taking a firmer line on "put a sane single key into deedbot and always have it, or proceed by the *only* mechanism to change key, or die"
1757413;1514045453;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757329 << nah, gribble auth was mostly fixed last split ; then gribble was going to be upgraded and never actually was.
1757414;1514045453;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 02:22 BigTexasBingo: From gpg from gribble auth, from a whole lot of accumulated trash
1757415;1514045531;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757338 << you know you're supposed to plan these for yourself so you yourself can then execute them! if you can't do it for yourself, what hope has any peon working under your management ? eh ?
1757416;1514045531;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 03:53 asciilifeform: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757328 , today's ffa-series item will appear tomorrow, apparently was too big a bite for asciilifeform's mere 1wk
1757417;1514045587;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757354 << this is so.
1757418;1514045587;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 09:27 trinque: does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.
1757419;1514045717;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757357 << this is an iffy point m'lord. i have a slavegirl that washes the floors ; the floors is where the cockroaches go. should she be punished ?
1757420;1514045717;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 09:34 trinque: anyhow weevlos, and all you miserable, worthless 4chan fucks. the fact of the matter is there's less than one part per million worthwhile human being on this wretched planet, and while I spent my evening drinking pinot noir and chatting with a worthwhile lass that bought me Feynman's Lectures on Physics for xmas, you spent it pulling your dick on social media. when the world turns over, you will have much
1757421;1514046120;shinohai;Did anyone here ever read the Bitcoin wallet plugin for gribble? I don't think it was updated (or in actual use anywhere!) but I think I remember axing it from jhvh1 because you could query any users balance with it.
1757422;1514046292;mircea_popescu;iirc it was "experimental"
1757423;1514046421;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757362 << spur gear differential.
1757424;1514046421;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 15:44 mircea_popescu: here's a thing for the mechanical engineers in da hous, ben_vulpes asciilifeform and who ye might be : given two driving pegs A, B, how do you turn a spoke C such that it realises the DIFFERENTIAL A-B ?
1757425;1514046460;mircea_popescu;iirc that averages.
1757426;1514046475;asciilifeform;( actually several ways to do it, because in actual life you seldom want tight 2way coupling of output to input shaft )
1757427;1514046494;mircea_popescu;there may be several ways, but differential won't do it.
1757428;1514046536;mircea_popescu;(this incidentally is fascinating to the historian of computing because obviously analogic computers work on crankboxes)
1757429;1514046553;asciilifeform;iirc the artillery people did it with worm gear differential
1757430;1514046578;mircea_popescu;!#s antikythera
1757431;1514046578;a111;3 results for "antikythera", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=antikythera
1757432;1514046587;asciilifeform;^ planetary
1757433;1514046594;mircea_popescu;ha!
1757434;1514046642;*;asciilifeform inherited pile of b00kz re clockwork 
1757435;1514046670;asciilifeform;it was the kompyooting of its time. except : actually worked...
1757436;1514046672;shinohai;Bet those are interesting read, asciilifeform .... any digitized?
1757437;1514046688;mircea_popescu;clocks worked imperfectly even then.
1757438;1514046694;asciilifeform;shinohai: prolly, somewhere
1757439;1514046727;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: physically, known-imperfectly tho. rather than 'js soup'-imperfectly.
1757440;1514046762;mircea_popescu;sure, i guess.
1757441;1514046767;asciilifeform;there's a quite substantial difference
1757442;1514046793;shinohai;Thermal expansion being major factor in inaccuracy of mechanical things
1757443;1514046806;asciilifeform;b/w object that is imperfect because of limitations of the materials, and one that is broken because of limitations of the designer, who was dropped as a child
1757444;1514046806;shinohai;(pendlums too)
1757445;1514046838;mircea_popescu;there's plenty. dilation, unhomogenity of material, necessarily imprecise workmanship, errors compound
1757446;1514046860;asciilifeform;dunforget fatigue.
1757447;1514046866;mircea_popescu;there can not exist such a thing as a perfectly homogenuous bar of steel for the exact reason there can not exist a perfectly detailed etch on its surface.
1757448;1514047101;*;shinohai suddenly wonders if pete_dushenski has ever seen those steam-powered clocks that are in Canada ....
1757449;1514047102;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone know the ancient watt meter ? two pendulums with coiled wire.
1757450;1514047116;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757381 << decrypt timing-oracle elementarily leaks bits.
1757451;1514047116;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 15:56 mircea_popescu: (if memory serves the original split, design choice made late 1990s, was due to either suspicion or reality that either sign or decrypt possibly leaked bits ; the idea of separate keys is not even bad, necessarily, but this does NOT say anything positive about a clunky, ad hoc, untransparent and machine-automagical key hierarchy system. so basically, people probably will have at least two keys in tmsr-rsa, except they won't b
1757452;1514047131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but they didn't know this then.
1757453;1514047168;mircea_popescu;!#s Pendelzähler
1757454;1514047169;a111;0 results for "Pendelzähler", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Pendelz%C3%A4hler
1757455;1514047169;asciilifeform;eh it was obvious to anyone who ever heard his cpu bzz on nearby radio
1757456;1514047170;mircea_popescu;ha!
1757457;1514047244;asciilifeform;( for n00bz : rsasign and rsadecrypt are the same operation, mathematically)
1757458;1514047281;shinohai;http://archive.is/Rtx2b <<< Treazon!
1757459;1514047313;asciilifeform;and yes it means that every time you publish a sig, you also thereby supply a 'decryption' for some random string of soup
1757460;1514047376;asciilifeform;shinohai: '... and plot!' (tm)(r)
1757461;1514047402;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757425 << on meditation i will have to withdraw this objection. even if he didn't say what i wanted him to, solution is still correct (because there's no difference between "average stepped up 2x" and "difference" if you make sure the gears always run opposite)
1757462;1514047402;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 16:27 mircea_popescu: iirc that averages.
1757463;1514047491;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu wants a very specific function, he gotta say algebraically which. and the pile of gears will get gnarlier, quite quickly ...
1757464;1514047502;mircea_popescu;yeh. fair enuff.\
1757465;1514047517;shinohai;"Alteryx , a marketing analytics firm, left an unsecured database online that publicly exposed sensitive information for about 123 million U.S. households. "
1757466;1514047519;asciilifeform;!#s kurta
1757467;1514047520;a111;1 result for "kurta", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kurta
1757468;1514047521;mircea_popescu;ye olde sunfunction clocks, rite ? some of the best piles of fine gnarl the world has ever seen
1757469;1514047525;shinohai;1/2 the US!
1757470;1514047539;mircea_popescu;shinohai actually the us only has 90mn or so households iirc.
1757471;1514047546;mircea_popescu;singlets aren't a household in statistical parlance.
1757472;1514047548;asciilifeform;i betcha mircea_popescu would enjoy taking apart a 'kurta'
1757473;1514047560;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only if not expected to put back again :D
1757474;1514047563;shinohai;ah true
1757475;1514047602;shinohai;Naturally, this unsecured db was found on an Amazon server
1757476;1514047610;*;asciilifeform does not own a 'kurta', they are at this point museum-level rarity 
1757477;1514047616;mircea_popescu;"Livermore said it would be “totally irresponsible” for the Ukrainians to allow Yezhov to participate in an official delegation if they had suspicions he might be a spy." << dude get the fuck out, total fucktarded imbecile.
1757478;1514047628;mircea_popescu;people let spies act unhindered ALL THE TIME. for the perfectly fine obvious reason.
1757479;1514047641;mircea_popescu;jesus shit the cardboard experts tardworld keeps "producing" in name only.
1757480;1514047650;asciilifeform;besides everyboddyknows yezhov was shot in '39
1757481;1514047664;shinohai;lol
1757482;1514047754;mircea_popescu;"a retired Canadian ambassador and onetime director-general of security and intelligence for Canada’s Foreign Ministry"f
1757483;1514047775;mircea_popescu;fucking canada. pretending to be a country, unqualified on the force of its inhabitants to be a deserted island.
1757484;1514047780;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757415 << problem is that i'ma peon meself, in the saeculum, and all plans presume avgcase peonage load per time unit
1757485;1514047780;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 16:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757338 << you know you're supposed to plan these for yourself so you yourself can then execute them! if you can't do it for yourself, what hope has any peon working under your management ? eh ?
1757486;1514047816;mircea_popescu;oh is that what it is ? usure you didn't overstake for the sake of imagined outcomes ?
1757487;1514047828;BingoBoingo; well, i'm not interested in linking a 'real' identity. perhaps this is a waste of time. << The time one could take their time on this matter was 2013
1757488;1514047852;danielpbarron;!!balance
1757489;1514047853;mircea_popescu;trinque so are you ~9 blocks behind atm ?
1757490;1514047854;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what outcomes lol
1757491;1514047857;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/E8j9s/?raw=true
1757492;1514047915;asciilifeform;and speaking of hasty and untested , asciilifeform has a 'aggressive sync mode' trb patch, which will need a proper differential test
1757493;1514047951;asciilifeform;anybody got 2 trb-capable boxen, on separate ip but equal in bw ? can be in heathendom isp or wherever.
1757494;1514047979;*;shinohai unfortunately only has single trb-capable box.
1757495;1514048005;asciilifeform;shinohai: i have moar boxes than could ever use, but few , sadly, pipes
1757496;1514048019;mircea_popescu;needs isp!
1757497;1514048026;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1757498;1514048140;mircea_popescu;anyway, speaking of not-as-dumb-as-average jews, hermann fambly, owners of radio works in berlin, sold 1935 and split.
1757499;1514048142;mircea_popescu;https://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hersteller_detail.cfm?company_id=18
1757500;1514048170;asciilifeform;sharp.
1757501;1514048189;danielpbarron;!~later tell trinque my 1.5 deposit from the other day finally confirmed, i hope that still gets to my balance
1757502;1514048190;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1757503;1514048205;danielpbarron;apparently 0.001 is too low a fee now
1757504;1514048230;mircea_popescu;nuts heh
1757505;1514048285;danielpbarron;also my balance is confusing, is it possible for people to pay me secretly? it was higher than i expected (assuming the 1.5 is still pending)
1757506;1514048345;shinohai;This tx, sent from my trb node to bitpay,  0.00103098 BTC fee: bf5b74049c4b06ea3669b53595bc2c838025ad8b3adb8377212acd8fbeb72deb
1757507;1514048349;shinohai;took ~4 days
1757508;1514048373;BingoBoingo;In other news, the caterpillar store in Montevideo Shopping emphatically does NOT sell earthmoving equipment
1757509;1514048381;danielpbarron;i think it was people frantic to send their stuff around over the b-crash coinbase party
1757510;1514048393;mircea_popescu;possibru
1757511;1514048410;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1757512;1514048418;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15320.17, vol: 28995.46007089 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14800.0, vol: 79241.93770727 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15322.2, vol: 4792.30685388 | Volume-weighted last average: 14955.5795546
1757513;1514048439;shinohai;It was pretty rare event for me, nearly every tx I have ever sent has got in next block.
1757514;1514048489;BingoBoingo;A couple times migrating machines, I've forgot to implement sane fee and had to tack on a heft fee for a transaction involving the change to get shit moving
1757515;1514048550;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: or could send doublespend, that always seems to get the original moving!1!!
1757516;1514048557;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aha
1757517;1514048569;asciilifeform;( i still have nfi why this worx, but it never fails...)
1757518;1514048584;BingoBoingo;But last time such happened there was at least one miner looking a couple transactions ahead for fees
1757519;1514048594;asciilifeform;send the 2nd, naturally, to self
1757520;1514048609;shinohai;I always figured double-spend worked because miners chose to include tx w/ higher fee.
1757521;1514048627;asciilifeform;shinohai: oddly enuff, dun seem to be it
1757522;1514048655;asciilifeform;but it's been a while since asciilifeform experimented with subj.
1757523;1514048668;BingoBoingo;brb, shit to do before Montevideo shuts down for Navidad
1757524;1514048686;shinohai;Happy Festivus to all my fellow heathens
1757525;1514048690;asciilifeform;i'ma stfu and let the folx who actually tx every day, comment
1757526;1514048710;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu ^ ? )
1757527;1514048742;mircea_popescu;eh, network's unreliable in pretty much all the ways.
1757528;1514048745;mircea_popescu;also mostly works.
1757529;1514048770;asciilifeform;yea but, like-this unreliable, or like-that unreliable ?
1757530;1514048806;shinohai;Broken clock is reliable twice a day.
1757531;1514048816;mircea_popescu;more like this than like that, unreliably.
1757532;1514048855;mircea_popescu;in other "furious activity as cover for impotence", the string "&nslookup djY7ekWd&'\\\"`0&nslookup djY7ekWd&`'" is going to do something! maybe as a referrer ? maybe if you stuff it into a comment ? IT IS A MAGICALLY POWERFUL STRING!
1757533;1514048859;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people.
1757534;1514048868;asciilifeform;shinohai: if you can read the hands, can say, clock aint wholly broken... antikytheria clock wrong all day.
1757535;1514048901;shinohai;antikytherium
1757536;1514048909;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: betcha it's an opensesame to some ciscotron or similar garbage
1757537;1514048932;mircea_popescu;possible.
1757538;1514048957;asciilifeform;typically is what referheader crapolade is.
1757539;1514048970;mircea_popescu;kinda why i even bothered putting it in the log / why i look for weird in the mega webfilter that is trilema. you never know when a magical packet pops up, they're like tachyons these things.
1757540;1514048971;shinohai;btw, from logs the other day, was wondering if asciilifeform could link to examples of this: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wyse
1757541;1514048973;asciilifeform;someone, somewhere -- eats.
1757542;1514048990;shinohai;sorry http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754246
1757543;1514048990;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: 'wyse' made a series of gui-terminals , but with sata disk , fanless , based on very similar mobo to 'pcengines'
1757544;1514048993;asciilifeform;shinohai: as it happens i just uncrated one today
1757545;1514049002;shinohai;Cool
1757546;1514049067;asciilifeform;fiddybux buys you a fanless 1.5Ghz x 4core, 4GB mem, GB nic, sata, in book-size plastic fanless chassis, dc brick
1757547;1514049082;shinohai;sauce?
1757548;1514049084;asciilifeform;these are sold by scrap dealers
1757549;1514049095;asciilifeform;shinohai: look on, e.g., ebay
1757550;1514049125;asciilifeform;amd g-series,  btw
1757551;1514049141;asciilifeform;the good one.
1757552;1514049173;shinohai;say like https://www.amazon.com/2QZ2985-Wyse-Z90D7-Client-G/dp/B00C2AT020 ?
1757553;1514049176;asciilifeform;( needless to say , they are sold diskless )
1757554;1514049211;asciilifeform;shinohai: aha, that series
1757555;1514049239;shinohai;Windows Embedded Standard 7 lel
1757556;1514049252;asciilifeform;( even when sold for entire hundy, still 4x the bang for the buck of pcengines. )
1757557;1514049260;asciilifeform;shinohai: reflash, naturally
1757558;1514049277;shinohai;even without disk, can boot from ram, no?
1757559;1514049285;asciilifeform;i'ma report when mine is put into service.
1757560;1514049296;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2kLX3/?raw=true << complete list of the nonsense, if anyone cares ; all from 185.100.222.123 (who did burn ~30GB worth of bw overnight to poke at trilema for reasons.)
1757561;1514049296;asciilifeform;shinohai: trb needs a disk
1757562;1514049314;mircea_popescu;${10000059+10000047} of particular amusement.
1757563;1514049322;asciilifeform;shinohai: but yes, you want coreboot in'ere
1757564;1514049428;asciilifeform;!~google select pg_sleep(6);
1757565;1514049429;jhvh1;asciilifeform: SQL Injection Wiki | PostgreSQL SQL Injection Cheat Sheet: ; SQL Injection Cheat Sheet | Netsparker: ; PostgreSQL Sleep Function pg_sleep – Postgres Delay Execution ...: (1 more message)
1757566;1514049453;*;shinohai ducks at the brick asciilifeform will likely throw when he admits to using knoppix .....
1757567;1514049465;asciilifeform;!~google IlRXqXAa'));select pg_sleep(6); --
1757568;1514049466;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitcoinocracy — IlRXqXAa ')); select pg_sleep ( 6); --: ; SQL Injection Wiki | PostgreSQL SQL Injection Cheat Sheet: ; Postgres SQL Injection Cheat Sheet | pentestmonkey: (1 more message)
1757569;1514049471;asciilifeform;lol!,
1757570;1514049475;mircea_popescu;heh
1757571;1514049487;asciilifeform;shinohai: i thought knoppix evaporated in... 2007?.
1757572;1514049497;mircea_popescu;he bottled some lol
1757573;1514049537;mircea_popescu;https://vote.bitcoin.com/arguments/ilrxqxaa-select-pg_sleep-6 << this shit is actually fucking epic
1757574;1514049541;mircea_popescu;pity there's no qntra to qntra it on.
1757575;1514049547;shinohai;http://www.knoppix.org/   <<< still maintained
1757576;1514049558;mircea_popescu;because this is ~exactly what scam foundation voting was always all about.
1757577;1514049578;asciilifeform;it's what all seekritballot voting was always about.
1757578;1514049589;asciilifeform;with or without mechanicals.
1757579;1514050366;shinohai;!~calc 100 * 10^-8 * 1024
1757580;1514050367;jhvh1;shinohai: 100 * 10^-8 * 1024 = 0.001024
1757581;1514050630;mircea_popescu;in other arcana referring trilema, http://scotus.blogspot.com/
1757582;1514050658;mircea_popescu;dead for 12+ years by this point so i have nfi.
1757583;1514050936;mircea_popescu;back when the ipod nano was hot.
1757584;1514051104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, and when chinese mp3trons did better job, with 0 proprietary crapware needed to mount, and for 1/5th the price..
1757585;1514051111;mircea_popescu;aww
1757586;1514051118;mircea_popescu;are you unpatriotic or something ?
1757587;1514051123;asciilifeform;apparently
1757588;1514051128;mircea_popescu;THE BOUNDLESS HUMAN INGENUITY EXISTING!
1757589;1514051140;asciilifeform;disingenuouity
1757590;1514051305;asciilifeform;phunphakt: to this very day, crappleware won't -- as result of deliberate design -- emulate a disk
1757591;1514051340;asciilifeform;or disgorge, via any means short of full bore crack, anything previously written therein , as a file
1757592;1514051356;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "No. 04-0631 Wagnon v. Prarie Band Potawatomi Nation. This case concerns a tribe of native Americans in Kansas who have a casino on their reservation. If I understand the facts correctly, there is one road that goes to the casino, and one gas station (the "Nation Station") on that road. As you might guess the gas station primarily sells gas to casino goers. The tribe imposes a tax on the gas that pays for the r
1757593;1514051356;mircea_popescu;oad. Well Kansas decided it was going to impose its own tax on fuel distributors, that they were free to pass on to their customers. The tribe argues that the tax should not apply to it because federal indian law preempts state law and because it impinges on the tribe's sovereign immunity. My from the gut prediction is that the Court will REVERSE, just because native Americans really have bad luck at the Court. They have some
1757594;1514051357;mircea_popescu; decisions that say great things for them, but unfortunately courts mostly find ways around actually upholding those great things." <<->> http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#selection-195.1-197.53
1757595;1514051375;asciilifeform;aaaaha.
1757596;1514051389;mircea_popescu;also, NOT A SINGLE LINK from a 12 yo blog still resolves.
1757597;1514051397;asciilifeform;surprised?
1757598;1514051406;mircea_popescu;not to scotusblog.com, not to "akamai" bla bla CDN, not to fuckiung anything.
1757599;1514051741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform displeased.
1757600;1514052098;shinohai;In dairy news: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/dairy1.gif
1757601;1514052538;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757501 << of course.
1757602;1514052538;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 16:56 danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque my 1.5 deposit from the other day finally confirmed, i hope that still gets to my balance
1757603;1514052564;trinque;just has to confirm, or I'm fronting money.
1757604;1514052749;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757419 << remains to be seen if they're idle for lack of leadership or lack of spine.
1757605;1514052749;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757357 << this is an iffy point m'lord. i have a slavegirl that washes the floors ; the floors is where the cockroaches go. should she be punished ?
1757606;1514052913;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757489 << looks like 2 atm.
1757607;1514052913;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 16:50 mircea_popescu: trinque so are you ~9 blocks behind atm ?
1757608;1514052995;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757508 << less than a month in, and already thoughts of terraforming !
1757609;1514052995;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 16:59 BingoBoingo: In other news, the caterpillar store in Montevideo Shopping emphatically does NOT sell earthmoving equipment
1757610;1514054580;phf;from the same tex publication: knuth "The index to Digital Typography lists eleven pages where the importance of stability is stressed, and I urge all maintainers of TEX and to read them again every few years." elsewhere "TEX users have long relied on the device independent file format (DVI) to preview their documents while editing. However, innovation has been scarce in this area, and users have to rely on years-old, or even decades-old software, faci
1757611;1514054580;phf;ng increasing compatibil- ity issues with modern systems. In this paper, we describe ModernDvi, a new DVI viewer Windows Store application, offering high quality and fast ren- dering, wait-free, outperforming existing solutions in these areas."
1757612;1514054653;phf;"First, all exist- ing viewers are now considered legacy software: they have been designed for decades-old operating systems and do not meet modern requirements regarding soft- ware, hardware, interface, and usability in general."
1757613;1514054662;phf;etc. etc. etc.
1757614;1514055807;mircea_popescu;aaand in other "pravda always makes better read years later", http://edition.cnn.com/US/9705/18/clinton.aids.pm/index.html
1757615;1514055891;mircea_popescu;the part where neither the "main banner" nor "clinton" illustration exist anymore is subsidiarily such delicious linkrot satire...
1757616;1514056205;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757613 << the 2nd item is not also knuth is it ?!
1757617;1514056205;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 18:44 phf: etc. etc. etc.
1757618;1514056371;phf;no, yeah, that wasn't clear
1757619;1514056538;BingoBoingo;trinque: Fleeting thoughts. But no, was walking the mall in search of un libro para aprender Ingles and saw the Caterpillar store selling... outdoors sort of sporty stuff for las mueres
1757620;1514056691;BingoBoingo;Over La Navidad, will be online infrequently, but reading logs religiously. After la Navidad will continue pushing business formation and intensify the cultural and language immersion experience
1757621;1514057417;BingoBoingo;And in other joyous sights of the season, saw my first child beggar today pestering me for "un moneda", the fellow in the orange vest whose job I've not figured out yet had a roaring laugh as "No entiendo." "No se, que es un moneda" and then I walked off.
1757622;1514057522;BingoBoingo;Being a non-Brasilero extranero in Uruguay is very close to having superpowers
1757623;1514057585;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well, the sort of tankette las mujeres they have in latinolands... it's understandable.
1757624;1514057596;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: lol
1757625;1514057646;mircea_popescu;break a clydesdale's whippletree, they will...
1757626;1514057658;BingoBoingo;Anyways it's not like mircea_popescu level mystical domination superpowers, but it's a profoundly different experience from being a local in the US
1757627;1514057692;BingoBoingo;No estas muchas gordas aqui, unas pocas pero no much.
1757628;1514057695;BingoBoingo;*mucha
1757629;1514057722;mircea_popescu;estas is 1st person
1757630;1514057735;BingoBoingo;Ah, dammit
1757631;1514057757;mircea_popescu;no estan muy gordas - they aren't very fat. no estas muchas gordas = you dear reader aren't many fat women.
1757632;1514057792;BingoBoingo;AH, if only costa rica had datacenters I could ignore at least two verb tenses
1757633;1514057800;mircea_popescu;lol
1757634;1514058019;BingoBoingo;And if anyone wants accomodations in Uruguay that aren't a hostel, la ciudad vieja is full of ancient $45 a night places with rather grand architecture.
1757635;1514058030;*;BingoBoingo has not slept in any
1757636;1514058053;BingoBoingo;But figured asciilifeform and pet may fear the delousing when they drop boxes
1757637;1514058192;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757625 << lol i'ma guess mircea_popescu ended up in pediwik swamp when looked for gears...
1757638;1514058192;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 19:34 mircea_popescu: break a clydesdale's whippletree, they will...
1757639;1514058229;mircea_popescu;what, i can't know what a clydesdale is on my own ?
1757640;1514058235;mircea_popescu;i actually OWNED one at some point!
1757641;1514058244;asciilifeform;but didja have a whippletree for'em
1757642;1514058262;mircea_popescu;standard item in carriages neh ?
1757643;1514058270;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu in a tachanka
1757644;1514058272;mircea_popescu;even included in ro trad artesanal models
1757645;1514058278;asciilifeform;nifty.
1757646;1514058323;mircea_popescu;one of the many items of not-really-interest one picks up in trad ro village packaging with anthropology.
1757647;1514058415;asciilifeform;phf: got sores for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757611 horror ?
1757648;1514058415;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 18:43 phf: ng increasing compatibil- ity issues with modern systems. In this paper, we describe ModernDvi, a new DVI viewer Windows Store application, offering high quality and fast ren- dering, wait-free, outperforming existing solutions in these areas."
1757649;1514058491;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque where didja get the log-timestamps in your trb ? ( which patch pressed to ? )
1757650;1514058491;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1757651;1514058629;trinque;asciilifeform: svlogd is providing them
1757652;1514058645;asciilifeform;trinque: how's that work with the default log mechanism ?
1757653;1514058660;trinque;got the flag to log to stdout set
1757654;1514058873;BingoBoingo; brb
1757655;1514058873;asciilifeform;aaaa
1757656;1514059048;*;trinque bbl
1757657;1514060350;phf;asciilifeform: there's no repo, but i tracked down source if you're curious. https://sourceforge.net/projects/moderndvi/files/ 40mb .NET project
1757658;1514060590;asciilifeform;eww
1757659;1514060826;asciilifeform;!!up BigTexasBingo
1757660;1514060827;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1757661;1514060888;BigTexasBingo;Watching my first car accident aftermath
1757662;1514060944;BigTexasBingo;Two cars clipped each other in front of the hostel and the girl driver swerved post collision into power pole
1757663;1514060977;BigTexasBingo;Both drivers ambulatory
1757664;1514061034;BigTexasBingo;Older male drove some compact jap thong minimal damage
1757665;1514061099;BigTexasBingo;Girlie driver has/had chicom hatchback  at least radiator compromised
1757666;1514061185;BigTexasBingo;Hostel staff delivered girl a cup of water
1757667;1514061241;BigTexasBingo;Both parties appear to be chatting in a civil manner porque Montevideo es muy tranqui
1757668;1514061768;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html
1757669;1514061782;asciilifeform;^^ mod6, ben_vulpes , trinque , mircea_popescu , et al ^^
1757670;1514061810;asciilifeform;and yes typo, FIRST not 'fist'
1757671;1514062085;asciilifeform;btw kudos to jurov , his http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/post/btc-dev widget worked on first trigger pull !!
1757672;1514062097;asciilifeform;( iirc this was my 1st time using it )
1757673;1514062205;asciilifeform;analysis so far : ^^item^^ results , at last , in situation where any 2 trb nodes, and 1 is 'ahead' of the other, the 'trailing' node is guaranteed to be fed.
1757674;1514062238;asciilifeform;*where any 2 trb nodes connect, and...
1757675;1514062311;asciilifeform;theoretically (!) this should make 'wires' (see last feb. log) actually work-as-intended. ( asciilifeform not yet tried. )
1757676;1514062525;asciilifeform;this is testable empirically; like-so: any N trb nodes built with 'aggression' patch above, and linked via 'wires', should never fall out of height-sync with one another by more than a coupla blox. at any point.
1757677;1514062554;asciilifeform;whoever has the resources to test this : plox to write in.
1757678;1514062570;asciilifeform;fwiw 'aggression' is live on (still syncing...) zoolag, as of today.
1757679;1514062633;asciilifeform;( funnily enough it is now virtually impossible to connect to, on account of actually getting fed a block ~every time it touches anybody ... )
1757680;1514062681;asciilifeform;it did take a while to reach this state, given as 'wires' are no longer in use. had to actually connect to a working and nonblackholed trb.
1757681;1514062694;asciilifeform;hence the observation in the readme.txt.
1757682;1514063311;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757667 << well what were they to do, engage in wager of combat ?
1757683;1514063311;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 20:34 BigTexasBingo: Both parties appear to be chatting in a civil manner porque Montevideo es muy tranqui
1757684;1514063441;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757669 << the mempool insanity is really a close order approximation of ddos in the first place.
1757685;1514063441;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 20:43 asciilifeform: ^^ mod6, ben_vulpes , trinque , mircea_popescu , et al ^^
1757686;1514063450;asciilifeform;aaha!
1757687;1514063467;mircea_popescu;correct design would have prioritized block delivery over txn delivery, at the delivery point
1757688;1514063468;mircea_popescu;but...
1757689;1514063486;mircea_popescu;"i can not send this node any txn for as long as it still asks me for blocks"
1757690;1514063505;asciilifeform;more exactly, for so long as it is verifying a block, it is dead-in-the-water
1757691;1514063519;asciilifeform;and in order for this not to be the case, you need a sane db
1757692;1514063544;asciilifeform;( that , e.g., barrierizes reads correctly, rather than blocking completely )
1757693;1514063566;mircea_popescu;myeah
1757694;1514063577;mircea_popescu;ironically bdb would have worked for this if correctly implemented.
1757695;1514063600;mircea_popescu;but the problem with windows-moder-computerpropellerhead is that he expects items to work correcty in whichever braindamaged manner he expects to use them
1757696;1514063614;mircea_popescu;very much a case of "driver learned to drive on automatic, thinks gearbox fails to work correctly"
1757697;1514063629;asciilifeform;well, when verification took 3s instead of 3min, problem was not visible to the idjit's naked eye
1757698;1514063645;mircea_popescu;the naked eye being not a conceptual eye.
1757699;1514063650;asciilifeform;was 'too cheap to meter' (tm)(r)
1757700;1514064319;*;mircea_popescu needs frequent breaks for watching naked girlie put away the veuve cliquots and whatnots.
1757701;1514065604;asciilifeform;ftr 'aggression' is apparently paying off, 200blox caughtup in <1hr, which previously took 4-5hrs (in the 400k's, to be specific)
1757702;1514066349;mircea_popescu;for as long as you have other trbs up to speed to support you. but still, useful mod.
1757703;1514066357;asciilifeform;so far seems to be.
1757704;1514066469;*;mircea_popescu again sees trinque ~9 blocks behind
1757705;1514070715;trinque;mircea_popescu: lookin on the website? if so that's a timestamp indicating when the page itself was last regenerated.
1757706;1514070728;trinque;asciilifeform: sounds like a neato patch
1757707;1514071280;trinque;at any rate I do look to be consistently at least a couple blocks behind. gonna now go back to default maxver and let it run.
1757708;1514078627;mircea_popescu;trinque no looking at what the status of what i think'd likely be your nodes seems to be
1757709;1514078657;mircea_popescu;error-prone process but anyway
1757710;1514078663;mircea_popescu;guesswork is a certain kind of fun
1757711;1514078708;ben_vulpes;this one is so very persistently stuck at 500756
1757712;1514078744;ben_vulpes;will probably use asciilifeform's aggressive patch, as my logs are full of 70000-series nodes advertising sexily high tips
1757713;1514078825;asciilifeform;so far i'm getting surprisingly good result
1757714;1514078835;asciilifeform;(close to theoretical max sync rate on the given box)
1757715;1514078905;mircea_popescu;anyways, loads of prb nodes also stuck 2 to 12 behind. even 20.
1757716;1514078925;mircea_popescu;the block propagation thing is faring poorly of late.
1757717;1514079658;trinque;ben_vulpes: 500746 eh? deedbot also rn.
1757718;1514079733;mircea_popescu;many stopped there. slow block.
1757719;1514079740;ben_vulpes;just caught 2 more; looks like it might be on a verification tear now
1757720;1514079750;ben_vulpes;> 749
1757721;1514079760;ben_vulpes;you know, when getinfo got around to returning
1757722;1514079771;trinque;gruntin em out.
1757723;1514080193;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other string theory, http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2c3bwC2UL1qetcz3o1_400.gif
1757724;1514080849;mircea_popescu;!!up miia
1757725;1514080850;deedbot;miia voiced for 30 minutes.
1757726;1514080859;miia;Hello
1757727;1514080878;mircea_popescu;are you teh fetlife czech slut ?
1757728;1514080880;mircea_popescu;heh.
1757729;1514080882;mircea_popescu;!!up Guest98415
1757730;1514080883;deedbot;Guest98415 voiced for 30 minutes.
1757731;1514080886;Guest98415;Nkt chechz
1757732;1514080887;mircea_popescu;pick a name someone doesn't already own.
1757733;1514080896;Guest98415;MiiaRecherche
1757734;1514080943;mircea_popescu;aite, let's see what you got. your string is 5d8a1cc5
1757735;1514080972;Guest98415;So you want me to upload the picutre
1757736;1514080976;Guest98415;and then get paid?
1757737;1514080993;mircea_popescu;basically. look through the history, see how teh other girls did it.
1757738;1514081024;Guest98415;Does my face have to be visible?
1757739;1514081042;Guest98415;And how much time do I have, I am going to be home in like 20 mins
1757740;1514081054;mircea_popescu;it does, yes. and you have plenty of time.
1757741;1514081084;Guest98415;Oh, sorry, I wont show my face, bye bye :) Happy holidays!!
1757742;1514081089;mircea_popescu;laters.
1757743;1514081741;ben_vulpes;i think i just tripped over the multiple-leaves thing as well, had asciilifeform's wires in my patchset
1757744;1514082073;ben_vulpes;in other topical historical items: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-14#1323384
1757745;1514082073;a111;Logged on 2015-11-14 02:10 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct?
1757746;1514082089;*;ben_vulpes still rereading whole thread in light of the past few days happenings
1757747;1514082104;ben_vulpes;also re-found http://40.media.tumblr.com/3ea4c6cfd1af432bba0675b8bde21056/tumblr_n74hilKQPB1qzuheco1_1280.jpg
1757748;1514083348;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 4: Interlude: FFACalc.
1757749;1514083367;asciilifeform;^ achtung, panzerz !!
1757750;1514083376;shinohai;ty asciilifeform
1757751;1514083773;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-14#1323387 is terribly, horribly wrong, disregard.
1757752;1514083773;a111;Logged on 2015-11-14 02:10 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct.
1757753;1514083789;asciilifeform;the correct, Troo , algo, is the one used in phf's vtron.
1757754;1514083931;ben_vulpes;myeah, as i said "in light of", mostly unearthing for target practice.
1757755;1514083958;asciilifeform;lolk
1757756;1514083959;ben_vulpes;tangentially relatedly, i'm not seeing much benefit from this aggressive sync mode
1757757;1514083967;asciilifeform;i didn't either, for 1st hr or so
1757758;1514083972;ben_vulpes;hm
1757759;1514083982;trinque;tangentially yet again, I'd really like a vtron to put in this here cuntoo.
1757760;1514083988;asciilifeform;if yer surrounded by ocean of prb, it does 0
1757761;1514083994;trinque;to manage a cuntoo overlay.
1757762;1514084006;ben_vulpes;trinque: hah cool
1757763;1514084008;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd especially luvv a depythonized and deperlized one
1757764;1514084025;mircea_popescu;well, phf is moving towards one.
1757765;1514084036;ben_vulpes;vtron != vdiff mircea_popescu
1757766;1514084043;trinque;has the algo in viewer though
1757767;1514084046;mircea_popescu;gotta start somewhere.
1757768;1514084058;ben_vulpes;shall i dig mine out?
1757769;1514084068;mircea_popescu;sure.
1757770;1514084095;ben_vulpes;fair warning, it has a miserable, lisprepl ui
1757771;1514084099;mircea_popescu;but as we're restandardizing on keccak errything will have to be reground anyway
1757772;1514084109;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "dig out" means you fix that
1757773;1514084376;asciilifeform;the constant and entirely unnecessary reset of history is imho urbit-like and a Bad Thing. e.g. polarbeard ain't coming back to regrind his patches, nor is punkman
1757774;1514084383;asciilifeform;a vtron ought to have programmable hash knob.
1757775;1514084422;mircea_popescu;i have ~0 interest to bake into permanent history either polarbeard or punkman.
1757776;1514084429;mircea_popescu;the time for revered ancients is not fucking 2017.
1757777;1514084435;asciilifeform;forget revered
1757778;1514084437;mircea_popescu;they don't come back, their fucking problem.
1757779;1514084449;mircea_popescu;baby gotta be babied until it can stand.
1757780;1514084467;asciilifeform;i have a flounder , bought at bucharest flea market, preserved in epoxy like mircea_popescu's kindergartener
1757781;1514084472;asciilifeform;but dun... revere it
1757782;1514084484;mircea_popescu;~nothing we have is worth preserving as it is.
1757783;1514084490;mircea_popescu;take mpi as a fine example in this vein.
1757784;1514084531;mircea_popescu;moreover, glacial timescales do not work nor are they useful. once the decision to not wait until 2075 when alf could shat a monolithic world is made, in then follows we will be producing prototype tools and improving upon them.
1757785;1514084576;mircea_popescu;people who want their work of today to stand ~forever are more than welcome to quit "programming", pick up assassination as a vocation, go murder everyone with a wikipedia article / mentioned on hacker news.
1757786;1514084583;mircea_popescu;it is THEIR FAULT that such a wish can not currently be granted.
1757787;1514084595;asciilifeform;tools get updated, idiocies removed, etc. but the HISTORY gotta stay.
1757788;1514084597;mircea_popescu;except, of course, should they be amenable to sucking a lot of cock labeled inconvenience.
1757789;1514084600;asciilifeform;otherwise it gets repeated.
1757790;1514084612;mircea_popescu;if they are, and ONLY if they are, they can stfu and regrind everything until i get bored of it.
1757791;1514084623;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the history stays, i'm sure. why not ?
1757792;1514084637;asciilifeform;if vtron dun know about it, it's as good as gone
1757793;1514084641;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1757794;1514084658;mircea_popescu;there's ~no reason to have legacy DSA sigs in tmsr-rsa ; similarilyt why would i support sha2 in v ?
1757795;1514084671;asciilifeform;who said 'support sha2'. said : 'programmable hash knob'
1757796;1514084676;mircea_popescu;sure.
1757797;1514084679;asciilifeform;i.e. vtron not married to a hasher.
1757798;1514084688;asciilifeform;takes cmdline arg for standalone hasher.
1757799;1514084704;mircea_popescu;as long as it ships with keccak i don't care what other nonsense i will never read is included by possibility.
1757800;1514084719;asciilifeform;why does it have to ship ~with~ keccak
1757801;1514084727;mircea_popescu;so it can be used outta box.
1757802;1514084728;asciilifeform;keccak is a req'd util , lives on the box
1757803;1514084744;mircea_popescu;yes, well, restaurants provide forks.
1757804;1514084775;asciilifeform;usa 'restaurants' are getting , slowly, to where folx will be carryin' folding forks in their boots again
1757805;1514084779;asciilifeform;like it were 1941
1757806;1514084785;mircea_popescu;i'm sure. nevertheless...
1757807;1514084829;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is a not-so-interesting path to travel. on it we soon arive to "topsort is req'd util, lives on the box".
1757808;1514084853;asciilifeform;aaactually...
1757809;1514084859;asciilifeform;!#s tsort
1757810;1514084860;a111;4 results for "tsort", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tsort
1757811;1514084877;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-01#1258158 << subj
1757812;1514084877;a111;Logged on 2015-09-01 04:12 asciilifeform: incidentally, your unixlike box almost certainly has 'tsort' utility
1757813;1514084890;*;asciilifeform did not use it in vtron, because insufficiently illustrative
1757814;1514084938;asciilifeform;https://ss64.com/bash/tsort.html << subj x2.
1757815;1514085021;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757748 << plox to snarf vpatch
1757816;1514085021;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 02:42 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 4: Interlude: FFACalc.
1757817;1514085022;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1757818;1514085329;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6 , phf , apeloyee, diana_coman , PeterL, all ffaists : ^ ptronic puzzle included! gentlemen, start yer engines...
1757819;1514087876;asciilifeform;!!up neur0
1757820;1514087877;deedbot;neur0 voiced for 30 minutes.
1757821;1514087900;asciilifeform;neur0: clock's ticking
1757822;1514087917;neur0;oh i was just trying to find out exactly what is going on here cause i haven't got a god damn clue
1757823;1514087925;asciilifeform;neur0: consider reading the logs ?
1757824;1514087940;asciilifeform;neur0: http://btcbase.org/log
1757825;1514087940;neur0;well i dont save those
1757826;1514087943;neur0;oh
1757827;1514087989;neur0;yeah that doesn't entertain me
1757828;1514087991;neur0;good bye
1757829;1514088037;trinque;"I demand that you delete my informations from this website!"
1757830;1514088044;shinohai;Are you not entertained?
1757831;1514088059;asciilifeform;can't say that i am, shinohai
1757832;1514088124;shinohai;I just love these types "trying to find out exactly what is going on here cause i haven't got a god damn clue" but "Nope, can't read logs, boring."
1757833;1514088146;asciilifeform;they have a , what, 32byte slot allocated for the output of 'find out' ..?
1757834;1514088200;trinque;same idiots that all type "h" to each other, line noise for brain.
1757835;1514089198;mircea_popescu;how did that bit go, http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#selection-73.133-91.74
1757836;1514091031;phf;asciilifeform: i put your http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental, it's a bit messy down there though (heyo), because of a bunch of broken polarbeard patches. i didn't move them to deprecated, because i assume we might still want to regrind them
1757837;1514091053;mircea_popescu;prolly should have a dedicated sad patches bin
1757838;1514091092;phf;yah
1757839;1514091112;mircea_popescu;then once that's established "fish in the sad patches bin" can go into the "how to participate" list
1757840;1514091154;phf;asciilifeform: also http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc
1757841;1514091205;asciilifeform;ty phf !
1757842;1514097787;phf;asciilifeform: your blog renderer throws a space after < in -- Less-Than part (which is not in the patch)
1757843;1514099421;phf;b579b2c553ee2bd3aee8d17d96ae259abfad2ac5 (sha1 of my solution for ascii's puzzle)
1757844;1514126695;asciilifeform;congrats to phf , the 1st winner of ch4 puzzler.
1757845;1514126783;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757842 << the wp 'code' plugin is massive headache, i've been fighting it since ch1 . ( e.g in ch4 i had to replace the " in ('"') with a similar-looking uniturd, because double-escape is apparently impossible )
1757846;1514126783;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 06:43 phf: asciilifeform: your blog renderer throws a space after < in -- Less-Than part (which is not in the patch)
1757847;1514126803;asciilifeform;^ this in re: to the ~www~ text strictly !!
1757848;1514126839;asciilifeform;( i.e. nothing ~inside~ the vpatch, suffers )
1757849;1514126860;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757839 << this is pretty neat idea
1757850;1514126860;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 04:51 mircea_popescu: then once that's established "fish in the sad patches bin" can go into the "how to participate" list
1757851;1514127100;asciilifeform;in other noose, 'aggression' patch is apparently ~the~ pill against what ailed zoolag; 482253 -> 484621 in ~12hr , previously that was 3-4 day's worth
1757852;1514127165;asciilifeform;( naturally , this is not a Troo Rigorous test. that'd go as i described, 2 identical, save for 'aggression', boxen, on 2 identical pipes )
1757853;1514127444;asciilifeform;the current test on zoolag, however, is mighty interesting: after floundering in a sea of prb for ~hour, thing's been loading blocks almost continuously. at this rate will actually sync in a week or so.
1757854;1514129136;shinohai;I fully intend to report on my results with patch after all this holiday nonsense is over.
1757855;1514130582;shinohai;Why have I never seen this gem before? https://woz-u.com/ "Woz U provides a personalized approach to coding and tech education designed to get you through the curriculum faster so that you can get into the workforce quicker, and start changing the world."
1757856;1514130768;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757845 << mp-wp does ('"') natively, of course.
1757857;1514130768;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 14:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757842 << the wp 'code' plugin is massive headache, i've been fighting it since ch1 . ( e.g in ch4 i had to replace the " in ('"') with a similar-looking uniturd, because double-escape is apparently impossible )
1757858;1514130799;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this one isn't a wp problem per se, it's interaction b/w wp and the colorizer thing
1757859;1514130834;asciilifeform;took a bit of massage to get it to stop mutilating >, <, &
1757860;1514131039;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what did you use for say & ? replaced with & ? in which case does " work for " ?
1757861;1514131060;mircea_popescu;phf's codepoint idea is powerful indeed.
1757862;1514131071;asciilifeform;< , <, & , did not have to uniturd, there are ready-made escapes for these
1757863;1514131079;asciilifeform;err, >
1757864;1514131113;asciilifeform;i'ma prolly have to rewrite the code-formatter plugin thing, it insists on autoprocessing to emplace the escapes, but does not do ~mismatched~ double-quotes
1757865;1514131128;asciilifeform;the as-is incurably kills it, because unpaired quote.
1757866;1514131156;asciilifeform;( being a code formatter, it naively insists on colouring the inside of the double-quotes... )
1757867;1514131192;mircea_popescu;better escape everything than special-escape some and then be stranded.
1757868;1514131263;asciilifeform;author, apparently, did not give it any ability to distinguish 'standalone double-quote because actually need it' from 'idjit user forgot to close the " '
1757869;1514131284;mircea_popescu;dwym!
1757870;1514131304;asciilifeform;well how would it dwim. gotta offer an explicit escape. and the thing, apparently, doesn't.
1757871;1514131330;asciilifeform;( and can't simply use the html escape notation, because it gets literalized by the code-formatter )
1757872;1514131338;mircea_popescu;tsk
1757873;1514131352;mircea_popescu;this is a fine example of why modularization sucks.
1757874;1514131372;asciilifeform;aha!
1757875;1514131409;asciilifeform;it is theoretically possible to write a correct module, but prolly not by homo-phpicus.
1757876;1514131424;mircea_popescu;or rather, ad-hoc modularization, in point of fact yet another necessarily failed attempt to go out of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268
1757877;1514131424;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
1757878;1514131431;mircea_popescu;"the linux way" works for as long as.
1757879;1514131463;mircea_popescu;correct module shall be written under the whip and in no other place.
1757880;1514131540;asciilifeform;whip has curative power but apparently wasn't enuff for, e.g., microshit
1757881;1514131571;mircea_popescu;eh, scensters don't count.
1757882;1514131585;mircea_popescu;they have this in bdsm too, you know, rabid idiots doing "scenes", where they pretend like they're doing it.
1757883;1514131598;asciilifeform;cargocultism?
1757884;1514131600;mircea_popescu;authentic fear in the sweat and authentic blood on the instruments or no dice.
1757885;1514131601;mircea_popescu;aha.
1757886;1514131625;mircea_popescu;well, in typical manner of usgtronic cargocultism, they pretend to themselves as a captive audience that they've embraced&extended successfully.
1757887;1514131652;mircea_popescu;but hey, by now the stuff of "bitcoin is backed by nothing, stick to dollars" is well stale i'd guess.
1757888;1514131656;*;asciilifeform often tries to picture what kind of software would have been written under stalin, if there had been on-what
1757889;1514131700;mircea_popescu;i'm not entirely sure stalin was capable. you see, the buffett mind, "i'm a smart conservative peasant", which seems to my eyes to be what stalin (or for that matter ro hatman) was struggling towards dun work for conceptual worlds.
1757890;1514131710;mircea_popescu;because there's not so much conceptual within peasant ancestral experience.
1757891;1514131722;asciilifeform;it's a stretch, conceptually, sure
1757892;1514131737;mircea_popescu;hatman HAD on what with. missed out on what TO.
1757893;1514131738;asciilifeform;but i did say ~under~ stalin, not 'by'
1757894;1514131748;mircea_popescu;there is no under that's not an extension of by.
1757895;1514131772;mircea_popescu;this follows from the definition of terms, if you manage to find a domain outside of the view of the whip therefore you escaped.
1757896;1514131776;asciilifeform;kurchatov was able to work in conceptual sphere, and not only without interference but with offer of 'tell us who is getting in the way, he'll be gone next morning'
1757897;1514131786;asciilifeform;and very muchly under stalin.
1757898;1514131787;mircea_popescu;which isn't nearly as fortunate a happy occurence as the fantasy-mind imagines from within ; but anyway
1757899;1514131809;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is that ; but not reliably, hence soviet alt-genetics.
1757900;1514131824;asciilifeform;there was a specific conversation, legendarily:
1757901;1514131855;asciilifeform;stalin summoned kurchatov to the throne room, and described to him 'we're gonna have a cleanup, in physics, like in genetics, what do you think'
1757902;1514131894;asciilifeform;kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
1757903;1514131902;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1757904;1514131929;asciilifeform;s replied 'bomb'
1757905;1514131941;mircea_popescu;smart man. do you see however how this is STRICTLY equivalent to slavegirl going "master, this spot, this spot doesn't hurt like the others, hit it harder."
1757906;1514131947;asciilifeform;then next wk 'tell us who is trying to be philosophical, and getting in the way...'
1757907;1514131955;mircea_popescu;ie, deliberately contrived to extend whip reach for herself.
1757908;1514131959;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. sorta why i retell it nao.
1757909;1514131965;asciilifeform;it pertains.
1757910;1514131970;mircea_popescu;this only works with extreme purists.
1757911;1514131979;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the fantasy-mind. "wouldn't chocolate be better ?"
1757912;1514132099;asciilifeform;it also only works where you have a throne room. would do 0 against a fungus.
1757913;1514132132;asciilifeform;kurchatov could strike a gentleman's understanding with stalin. but would have 'snowball's chance in hell' against a committee.
1757914;1514132151;mircea_popescu;no, committee is very strictly dedicated to failing on the h bomb or anything else.
1757915;1514132165;mircea_popescu;it is an outgrowth of socialist fantasy, specifically constructed to deliver on the constructed impotence of socialism.
1757916;1514132191;mircea_popescu;there's some log discussion of why nothing must ever happen.
1757917;1514132242;asciilifeform;from pov of committee chair-warmer, 'something happening' is as desirable as an out-of-ordinary day at nuke power station
1757918;1514132292;mircea_popescu;quite.
1757919;1514132317;mircea_popescu;apparently i can't find that discussion now.
1757920;1514132339;mircea_popescu;i've engineered hell for myself here, "it's either in the log or on the blog" yes tyvm
1757921;1514132582;asciilifeform;!#s from:mircea_popescu nothing happen
1757922;1514132582;a111;40 results for "from:mircea_popescu nothing happen", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea_popescu%20nothing%20happen
1757923;1514132599;asciilifeform;^ recurring thread
1757924;1514132616;mircea_popescu;yes, but this isn't it ; i'd have thought it'd have ecology in it because i recall the link being made, but also no dice.
1757925;1514132729;asciilifeform;there remains the possibility that it was not, yet, in the l0gz...
1757926;1514132731;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751002 << ding!
1757927;1514132731;a111;Logged on 2017-12-13 19:27 mircea_popescu: that is after all the point, neh, to somehow get as large a headcount as possible through the various gates (born, college, credit cards, mortgage, retirement hgome etc) WITHOUT "harming the environment" which in any practical sesne means... without changing anything.
1757928;1514132734;mircea_popescu;thanks.
1757929;1514132767;mircea_popescu;this is the "day at nuke power station". and "boys will be boys" ie someone ACTUALLY DOING something is exactly the worst fucking nightmare.
1757930;1514132776;mircea_popescu;all-girl school best. like they saw in africa.
1757931;1514132793;asciilifeform;see also :
1757932;1514132794;asciilifeform;!#s societal security
1757933;1514132795;a111;3 results for "societal security", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=societal%20security
1757934;1514132810;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450220 << thread
1757935;1514132810;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 17:05 asciilifeform: they have a phrase they use amongst themselves, 'societal security'.
1757936;1514132816;mircea_popescu;legendarily, ceausescu visited best korea at some point, came back inspired with "Great Juche-like Ideas" [evidently claimed as independent, because all peasants are mormon smith] ;
1757937;1514132828;asciilifeform;well-known episode aha
1757938;1514132851;mircea_popescu;factually, however, ustardian pantsuit visited africa [the nation of~] where they discovered that all-girl classes are a lot easier for the local subtards to handle than mixed classes they had at home
1757939;1514132876;mircea_popescu;(because who are the writer-in-ny fantasies foolong, 100% of pantsuit were going into teaching)
1757940;1514132880;mircea_popescu;and so decided to...
1757941;1514132903;mircea_popescu;matches observed experience perfectly -- suddenly ghetto empty of males. then... "manspreading".
1757942;1514132919;mircea_popescu;heck, they were even bitching about how euro cyclotron MIGHT ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, recall ?
1757943;1514132924;mircea_popescu;"higgs boson will end the world!!!"
1757944;1514132931;mircea_popescu;100% africanism, and it's what the "peace corps" was for
1757945;1514132990;mircea_popescu;in the end it might turn out that vhs-america aborted itself because it listened to a bunch of mediocre women that just wanted an easy time teaching highschool ; but couldn't come out with it because puritan perversion.
1757946;1514133045;mircea_popescu;this is like better aids. meme-aids.
1757947;1514133111;mircea_popescu;the part where "africa had no men BECAUSE IT FUCKING SUCKED" somehow escaped notice. fancy that wonder, http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/
1757948;1514133251;asciilifeform;( unrelatedly, but before i fughet, observation : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755826 i.e. bastardry handler, is unproductive because it asks 'fill in what we're missing', but 99 out of 100 shots, that's ~another~ bastard. really instead it ought to either 1) send a normal pushgetblocks() to the bastard-emitter , asking him for the ~one and only block we won't reject~, it being the immediately-next-one-after-our-topheight  , or
1757949;1514133251;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 15:07 asciilifeform:          // Ask this guy to fill in what we're missing
1757950;1514133252;asciilifeform;  , 2 ) disconnect from him  )
1757951;1514133276;mircea_popescu;yes!
1757952;1514133280;mircea_popescu;especially 2 after 1 fails
1757953;1514133301;asciilifeform;this'd matter moar in practice if 'aggressive' node saw many bastards . but it now sees very few, because immediately pushgetblocks() when it gets visited.
1757954;1514133421;asciilifeform;thing's been purring along, incidentally, at almost 100% blockverificationdutycycle, for most of a day nao.
1757955;1514133429;asciilifeform;almost like it were 2012 again...
1757956;1514133440;mircea_popescu;problem is the tip
1757957;1514133455;asciilifeform;in ~1wk i expect to learn how it behaves at tip.
1757958;1514133461;asciilifeform;( supposing ben_vulpes et al , dun report sooner )
1757959;1514133584;asciilifeform;... as mircea_popescu prolly intuited , it remains possible that 'aggression' takes the trb<->prb link breakage from , say, the 80% of before, to 100% , and i would not learn about it until reaching tip.
1757960;1514133644;mircea_popescu;i don't see any change in behaviour. the prb node will produce ~same % of blocks with or without.
1757961;1514133650;asciilifeform;and speaking of this, can haz patch that logs ~from what kind of node~ each ACCEPTED block came ? ( or do i have to do errything meself..? )
1757962;1514133653;mircea_popescu;and in the end you only get the blocks they give.
1757963;1514133680;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right, idea being that it is conceivable that 'aggression' increases isolation . i cannot yet rule it out.
1757964;1514133692;mircea_popescu;to soon to see. dun seem like it so far.
1757965;1514133703;mircea_popescu;hard to outdo malleus for that purpose anyway
1757966;1514133713;asciilifeform;well right nao it's pulling blox from other trb's, at ~100% efficiency
1757967;1514133724;mircea_popescu;trb dun get malleus'd anyway
1757968;1514133728;asciilifeform;exactly like what an unpatched trb does for first hour or three of boot
1757969;1514133736;asciilifeform;aha
1757970;1514133740;mircea_popescu;but yes, within-republic it's a major improvement.
1757971;1514133749;mircea_popescu;and evidently an improvement whose time had come.
1757972;1514133795;asciilifeform;it is possible that it will improve block reception at the expense of outgoing tx propagation.
1757973;1514133818;asciilifeform;( and may have to be turned into a toggle knob )
1757974;1514133922;mircea_popescu;"early boost" sorta thing
1757975;1514133945;asciilifeform;... it is equally conceivable that the thing is a pure win, and dun need to become a knob. we'll see.
1757976;1514133983;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque what do you recommend for a talking-in-chan bot-tron ? i'd like to hook up 'ffacalc'...
1757977;1514133983;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1757978;1514134259;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with the bot he published
1757979;1514134323;mircea_popescu;iirc hanbot was using it to do something trilema-related, sounded happy with it.
1757980;1514134344;asciilifeform;nothing, took me a minute or so to recall that indeed it is posted
1757981;1514134351;asciilifeform;now only remains to plug it in
1757982;1514134467;asciilifeform;and i'll add that if somebody other than asciilifeform feels like doing this operation, i will take off my hat
1757983;1514134499;asciilifeform;( i recommend bolting the width in place to 256 , to keep lines short )
1757984;1514134566;asciilifeform;( ... at least until operation 'X' , i.e. mod-exp, is defined ! )
1757985;1514134771;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu , was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1623064 q ever resolved ?
1757986;1514134771;a111;Logged on 2017-03-07 23:12 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu at the time said that the thing really oughta eat a programmable set of checkpoint
1757987;1514134791;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757834 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-16#1433709 an' so on. primary function of language, finches have it.
1757988;1514134791;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 04:03 trinque: same idiots that all type "h" to each other, line noise for brain.
1757989;1514134791;a111;Logged on 2016-03-16 11:07 mircea_popescu: which, ungenerously enough, seems just a step away from the breakdown specific to shitholes like argentina, where people altogether don't even comprehend words are in any sense meaningful, above and beyond the chirping captive populations of chickens do to reassure each other.
1757990;1514134803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not afaik.
1757991;1514134833;mircea_popescu;but honestly i'd prioritize db-fix-and-trb-split discussed over these rather cosmetic by comparison improvements.
1757992;1514134834;asciilifeform;because there's a possibility of speeding sync 100-200x... ( the obvious way. if block sha512's, or keccak's, etc. to a checksum-cum-heighposition that is signed by node owner's l1 -- then ACCEPT )
1757993;1514134852;mircea_popescu;something small and desperately needed like better logs i can see ; but by now you're talking painting walls and such
1757994;1514134854;asciilifeform;not quite cosmetic, this. potentially massive speedup .
1757995;1514134874;asciilifeform;as in , stand up new node in 1wk, instead of 3-4 months.
1757996;1514134878;mircea_popescu;yes yes. but on the proper basis
1757997;1514134906;asciilifeform;it ain't a substitute for the cut-up, no.
1757998;1514134916;mircea_popescu;and you don't want to end up with a split code branch
1757999;1514134923;mircea_popescu;because it will cost someone's time to reconcile.
1758000;1514134947;asciilifeform;indeed
1758001;1514135716;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, v-tronization of blockchain is unavoidable.
1758002;1514135725;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, the replacement-pistols will simply be a patch set.
1758003;1514135761;mircea_popescu;and no more of this "monotonously growing" nonsense. whole item as large as will ever be is given at onset.
1758004;1514135770;mircea_popescu;allocate it all now ; if you can't afford to make smaller coinbase.
1758005;1514135783;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox to elaborate re 'as large as will be'
1758006;1514135818;mircea_popescu;"new bitcoin has 1mn coins ; which can not be split ; to move a coin from nill address to your address you must [...] ; to move a coin from x address to y address you must [...]".
1758007;1514135822;asciilifeform;aaa
1758008;1514135843;mircea_popescu;the whole field array-addresable, "coin #58045 is at... offset... 58045. duh."
1758009;1514135867;asciilifeform;this is exactly the picture asciilifeform drew last yr, aha.
1758010;1514135898;asciilifeform;( for some reason everybody always asks 'how'll you pass out the coins', but this is orthogonal problem! )
1758011;1514135941;mircea_popescu;nobody asks this ; but anyway, if bitcoin prototyping is any guide, 1kb per entry should suffice ; in which case current computing could in principle actually support a coinset between 1mn and 1bn coins.
1758012;1514135969;mircea_popescu;(way way WAY worse than original optimistic estimates of "21mn divisible to 1e8". but what can you do.)
1758013;1514135970;asciilifeform;well e.g. ben_vulpes asked, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754135
1758014;1514135970;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 05:56 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am very curious in how you figure initial distribution might work
1758015;1514136002;mircea_popescu;anyway, evidently the first [...] stands for what's currently termed "mining" while the second for actual spending.
1758016;1514136011;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's answer is 'first you pillage , ~then~ you burn, fughetabout it for the time being, have an algo for the basic mechanics that makes sense, first ! )
1758017;1514136025;asciilifeform;and yes.
1758018;1514136042;mircea_popescu;so if nothing else, you can bootstrap it exactly like bitcoin did.
1758019;1514136045;mircea_popescu;"want coins -- go mine."
1758020;1514136077;mircea_popescu;scheme as described ftr works eminently well with http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ in that "proof of knowing the txset" becomes meaningful past what's going on now
1758021;1514136078;asciilifeform;could, but then you get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745524 .
1758022;1514136078;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 16:22 mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
1758023;1514136082;asciilifeform;which is retarded.
1758024;1514136092;mircea_popescu;(in fact it is perhaps obvious that was designed with a view to THIS, rather than "extant battlefield")
1758025;1514136116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mining doesn't have to mean that.
1758026;1514136123;mircea_popescu;consider the fundamental value of regrinding!
1758027;1514136139;mircea_popescu;nobody can know WHO truly authored a patch. just what set of the signatories signed it that they're willing to share with him
1758028;1514136142;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu has thought of a meaning for it that doesn't 'a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others' -- i'm all ears
1758029;1514136160;mircea_popescu;this is a sort of gossipd-meets-the original "can't have signature repudiation" problem you encountered in comments there, but REVERSED.
1758030;1514136171;mircea_popescu;ie, it's leveraged to fuck over the miner collusion properties of current pow.
1758031;1514136211;asciilifeform;maybe i'm thick, but i dun see the algo 'between the lines' here
1758032;1514136218;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's model this. let "patch" be a bitfield ; let wot be comprised of l1...ln.
1758033;1514136231;asciilifeform;ok..
1758034;1514136249;mircea_popescu;let observer E know l1...li of this wot. let observer E observe a P signed by a subset l1...lm of his wot.
1758035;1514136264;mircea_popescu;at this point, how would E discern which party of l1..ln originated P ?
1758036;1514136273;asciilifeform;dun tell me we gotta have the ring signatures thread again
1758037;1514136276;mircea_popescu;suppose P was originated by E.
1758038;1514136280;mircea_popescu;how would E know this ?
1758039;1514136300;asciilifeform;process of elimination?
1758040;1514136312;mircea_popescu;take it like this :
1758041;1514136324;mircea_popescu;at t0, E produces P and signs it. E shares P signed by E with l1...lm.
1758042;1514136348;asciilifeform;ok..
1758043;1514136352;mircea_popescu;at t1, E perceives P', signed by l1...lk ; which is not an isomorphism of l1...lm, and might wel lnot even include E
1758044;1514136354;mircea_popescu;what now ?
1758045;1514136392;asciilifeform;what does signature even mean, if folx habitually sign both P and ~P
1758046;1514136402;asciilifeform;or do i miss something
1758047;1514136405;mircea_popescu;that they approve.
1758048;1514136420;mircea_popescu;see, the SELECTION of .sigs you see is not promised to cover the whole space!
1758049;1514136429;asciilifeform;consider, what do you do in your wot housekeeping ~today~ to people who habitually sign P ~and~ ~P
1758050;1514136432;mircea_popescu;much like "you can't repudiate signatures -- can't see whole space" discussion in that thread.
1758051;1514136451;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you propose E's "process of elimination" is simple bit-comparison of P and P' ?
1758052;1514136473;asciilifeform;nah, there's a time parameter
1758053;1514136501;mircea_popescu;maybe that works.
1758054;1514136510;mircea_popescu;this -- very rough draft.
1758055;1514136568;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact the hook to hang by is there : at the present time how would someone who is hostile (ie, does not trust what we say) discern who originated mpi ?
1758056;1514136587;mircea_popescu;"phf's time oracle". sure.
1758057;1514136604;mircea_popescu;"especially because it agrees with logotron time oracles". sure...
1758058;1514136606;asciilifeform;1 way, would be by going to his own cellar and fetching optical disk where he has ~his~ mpi
1758059;1514136652;asciilifeform;sorta like what archaeologists do already.
1758060;1514136709;mircea_popescu;an evident issue would be of course that if ownership is implemented as-to-specified-coin as seen in bitcoin, then E has a ready avenue -- "all txn including spends from my own addresses are mine". this is a somewhat weakening of the premise, but perhaps sufficient.
1758061;1514136765;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's that prove tho ? winklevoss tards periodically go into their basement/den where they "have" "their own" copy of fb.
1758062;1514136776;asciilifeform;it proves only to him, naturally
1758063;1514136786;mircea_popescu;or that weird geek from early pedo-pedia days, what's his name
1758064;1514136787;asciilifeform;how could it prove to anyone else.
1758065;1514136851;asciilifeform;there is not, nor could there be, a fixed-star for existence proofs. even classical blockchain has the obvious limitations ( discussed numerously, see l0gz )
1758066;1514136866;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1758067;1514136884;asciilifeform;( if you ~could~ get a 'fixed star' , all sorts of marvels not found in nature become possible, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621087 )
1758068;1514136884;a111;Logged on 2017-03-02 16:31 asciilifeform: it is worth recalling the gedankenexperiment where it turns out that all you'd need to build 'martian bank' on earth, is if martians merely supplied an infallible 'martian clock', a service whereby they take a string S , at regular, say, daily, interval, and return its hash H
1758069;1514136914;asciilifeform;'blockchain'ism is simply a very expensive means of approximating a solution to this problem.
1758070;1514139745;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nxnWA/?raw=true << or for that matter anybody else using trinque-bot -- any idea what gives ? i followed the example in the readme...
1758071;1514139746;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1758072;1514139874;asciilifeform;oooh i think i see why. ben_vulpes's 'multiple-channels' patch mutilated it
1758073;1514139895;asciilifeform;( how the fuck did it ever work , ben_vulpes  ?? )
1758074;1514139962;asciilifeform;you changed 'channel' slot in ircbot class to 'channels', but never bothered to change the corresponding line in make-ircbot !! ben_vulpes )
1758075;1514140330;*;asciilifeform rewound to trinque's original, which in fact worx.
1758076;1514141269;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected#L76
1758077;1514141280;ben_vulpes;sharp eyes, asciilifeform
1758078;1514141307;asciilifeform;no eyes involved, i pressed and used trinque's original usage.txt and got barf
1758079;1514141316;asciilifeform;only then, had to unsheath eyes.
1758080;1514141376;asciilifeform;anyway , worx, now all i need is to think of how to properly cut the output so as not to straddle message breaks...
1758081;1514141401;ben_vulpes;sorry, asciilifeform. i was focused on the logbot part, forgot about the ircbot and to update documentation.
1758082;1514141443;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aa see i was making a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757976 .
1758083;1514141443;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 16:46 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque what do you recommend for a talking-in-chan bot-tron ? i'd like to hook up 'ffacalc'...
1758084;1514141488;ben_vulpes;anyways i must have an extra-thick layer of prb, as my node has found precisely one block in the past three hours
1758085;1514141570;asciilifeform;it isn't even impossible that there's only been 1 block in past 2hrs, say
1758086;1514141571;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: one thing i do with logbot is to use postgres as a queue so that a background worker can do all of the thinking and crashing without thrashing the irc connection
1758087;1514141597;ben_vulpes;this one block took me from 813 to 814
1758088;1514141630;trinque;ben_vulpes: do you by chance have an active connection to 172.86.178.46 ? or did in past ?
1758089;1514141657;ben_vulpes;node was booted with that yes
1758090;1514141664;trinque;a complicating factor of me testing the version string is that while ahead, I may be feeding other TRBs, while not, not.
1758091;1514141676;asciilifeform;i'ma thinking already about next level of possible 'aggression' : namely to pushgetblocks() at ALL running peers, if >20min pass, say, without a new block received
1758092;1514141703;trinque;I'm 60some blocks behind nao.
1758093;1514141709;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the same thought occurred to me
1758094;1514141740;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: consider making a patch ?
1758095;1514141745;ben_vulpes;yeah definitely
1758096;1514141757;asciilifeform;it'll be, what, 4-5 lines.
1758097;1514141763;ben_vulpes;i have another kiestered that i may as well unload at the same time, hash untrunculation
1758098;1514141768;asciilifeform;^ useful
1758099;1514141784;asciilifeform;right up there with 'from-where-i-got-ACCEPTED-block'
1758100;1514141792;asciilifeform;( also in the log )
1758101;1514141802;ben_vulpes;heh and what was its height and hash
1758102;1514141823;asciilifeform;that already printed ( the latter , in classical trb, mutilated )
1758103;1514141836;asciilifeform;what i'd like to see is 'was it from a trb?'
1758104;1514141850;asciilifeform;i'd like to get a sense for where blocks come from.
1758105;1514141857;asciilifeform;and from where only rubbish comes.
1758106;1514141862;trinque;be nice if the person fixing logging takes out the idiot printf macro
1758107;1514141894;trinque;I dunno a linux on earth that can't log the direct output of a service
1758108;1514141926;ben_vulpes;right right
1758109;1514141942;asciilifeform;trinque: i suspect that we already had this thread
1758110;1514141975;asciilifeform;i can't speak for others, but asciilifeform often ( almost always, in fact ) runs trb during tests, in pure userland, making use of 0 systemwide loggings )
1758111;1514141988;asciilifeform;it must remain useful when printing to stdio
1758112;1514141997;trinque;so postpend > muh.log
1758113;1514142030;asciilifeform;yea i can't think of any reason whynot.
1758114;1514142032;trinque;what we have now is some snowflake saying "no but this is what printf means to me"
1758115;1514142046;asciilifeform;the 'find and open debug.log somewhere' is a winblowzism.
1758116;1514142067;asciilifeform;'os' without redirectable output , belongs in the oven.
1758117;1514142085;trinque;mhm
1758118;1514142094;ben_vulpes;lol that's right it comes out of SetBestChain
1758119;1514142117;ben_vulpes;(hash and height, i mean)
1758120;1514142144;mircea_popescu;nah, lots of clients stuck on 500816
1758121;1514142172;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ftr that's ~10 hours ago, not 2.
1758122;1514142192;mircea_popescu;tip is 879 as of ~12 mins ago
1758123;1514142221;asciilifeform;funnily enuff, the absolute all-time champ at never-lagging in asciilifeform's house of horrors is... an ancient (circa 2013..?) prb !! e.g. currently at 500849
1758124;1514142236;mircea_popescu;still way behind.
1758125;1514142246;asciilifeform;where's the tip of the spear ?
1758126;1514142254;asciilifeform;aah
1758127;1514142269;asciilifeform;notably i have no way of knowing.
1758128;1514142282;mircea_popescu;it's quite expensive, all this crap.
1758129;1514142308;asciilifeform;vs what, paper cups ?
1758130;1514142312;asciilifeform;yes expensive.
1758131;1514142322;mircea_popescu;i never ran this many computors in my lyf!
1758132;1514142426;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is a pretty sad situation, if even 1 of us has a node at block B, but everybody else somehow floundering at B-k, for some positive k
1758133;1514142434;asciilifeform;*blockheight
1758134;1514142444;asciilifeform;it ought not to be possible under the game rules
1758135;1514142463;mircea_popescu;it's exactly what p2p means.
1758136;1514142474;asciilifeform;( if i know of a nextblock, and i'm peering with mircea_popescu , and he doesn't, or vice-versa -- the boxes oughta share )
1758137;1514142496;mircea_popescu;and eventually will./
1758138;1514142507;asciilifeform;q is why 'eventually' is a week, 2 weeks
1758139;1514142512;asciilifeform;and not 10min
1758140;1514142520;mircea_popescu;this is what a "gossip" network is all about.
1758141;1514142540;asciilifeform;elementarily.
1758142;1514142560;asciilifeform;single-threaded, locking gossip, is a sad thing tho.
1758143;1514142566;mircea_popescu;yes.
1758144;1514142959;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox post your puzzle-hash as comment in ch4
1758145;1514142959;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1758146;1514143150;asciilifeform;btw , ftr , sha512(ch4_official_solution.txt) = 6878eec821232031b43b28f955971388d33262531c4205eff6be5e8e0244a2e092556623b9daff54058b781dc9eafc91bf8099c29ef1fd21602eccc18e63c8f1 .
1758147;1514143309;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1758148;1514143422;mircea_popescu;in other absolutely-not-news, I suppose the isomorphism http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753616 <<-=->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757015 is evident to everyone except the "self-determined" freewilled parties in question.
1758149;1514143422;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 17:46 ben_vulpes: dude this is epic, girl would rather talk about calendar offsets than earn a bitcent an hour reading the log
1758150;1514143422;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 17:22 weevlos: 2) thats only close to a month of operations budget
1758151;1514144976;mircea_popescu;(for bonus lulz, 12795/30/24 = 17.770833333 or roughly speaking 10 to the bitcent.)
1758152;1514145893;ben_vulpes;!!up BigTexasBingo
1758153;1514145893;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1758154;1514145899;BigTexasBingo;Did you know, Montevideo can be even more tranquilo
1758155;1514145901;ben_vulpes;hola jefe
1758156;1514145921;BigTexasBingo;Also, congratulations on the acceleration progress
1758157;1514145925;ben_vulpes;mas tranquilo?
1758158;1514145930;BigTexasBingo;Si
1758159;1514145967;BigTexasBingo;The feria was more crowded than los domingos pasados, but most other places closed
1758160;1514145971;ben_vulpes;como esto possible?
1758161;1514145988;ben_vulpes;no party in the streets?
1758162;1514145989;BigTexasBingo;The holiday
1758163;1514146005;BigTexasBingo;Party later, asado and fireworks
1758164;1514146017;ben_vulpes;ah si
1758165;1514146135;BigTexasBingo;Perhaps the foundation could use some prb/trb bridges on boxen running both after the acceleration experiments bring more fruit.
1758166;1514146218;BigTexasBingo;For serious though, how lucky am I that no other lord in the big prison has made their escape here yet
1758167;1514146270;BigTexasBingo;Every single food better than it's closest US equivalent. Eye candy everywhere.
1758168;1514146311;BigTexasBingo;And extranjero superpowers
1758169;1514146554;BigTexasBingo;Where will the other lords land in this era of Great Again
1758170;1514146806;ben_vulpes;a pies, ideally
1758171;1514146839;BigTexasBingo;Lol
1758172;1514146876;ben_vulpes;!!up Hssgh5337k
1758173;1514146877;deedbot;Hssgh5337k voiced for 30 minutes.
1758174;1514146890;ben_vulpes;and who're you, Hssgh5337k ?
1758175;1514146921;Hssgh5337k;Why does that matter?
1758176;1514146947;ben_vulpes;absent identity, one is naught.
1758177;1514147020;ben_vulpes;and to quote BigTexasBingo, the time for showing up and derping around without saying "i am so and so, and should be considered for inclusion in the forum for reasons of x y and z" was in 2013, not the tail end of 2017.
1758178;1514147053;ben_vulpes;come 2020 if not sooner, it'll be "and i beg your consideration".
1758179;1514147060;BigTexasBingo;Nah that was BingoBoingo
1758180;1514147095;ben_vulpes;oh right
1758181;1514147098;ben_vulpes;who are you anyways
1758182;1514147105;ben_vulpes;;)
1758183;1514147117;BigTexasBingo;Terminal secured for Navidad, BingoBoingo returns el 26 or if emergency appears in log
1758184;1514147130;Hssgh5337k;In that case it seems my skills and opinions are not needed here.
1758185;1514147136;Hssgh5337k;Goodbye.
1758186;1514147145;BigTexasBingo;Well, asl?
1758187;1514147176;ben_vulpes;Hssgh5337k: you could at least mention these skills; otherwise it reeks of "i'm a magical pony and YOU DON'T UNDERSTAAAAND"
1758188;1514147203;ben_vulpes;and no, opinions don't exist here if they don't come from *a person*, which is predicated on an identity.
1758189;1514147226;ben_vulpes;salud.
1758190;1514147539;BigTexasBingo;Brb nap, sobertime, asado!
1758191;1514147743;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0837 << any reason for this to not come out with the truncation patch?
1758192;1514147796;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: plox to link to mod6's latest spear-tip ?
1758193;1514147805;asciilifeform;rather than 'who the hell knows if this is even still around' item
1758194;1514147868;asciilifeform;( it in fact is : http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp?%21v=makefiles#0840 . but really oughta link directly imho )
1758195;1514147947;ben_vulpes;ah, makefiles. suresure.
1758196;1514148056;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758167 << ro was like this. to the point that even nao neither asciilifeform nor his pet can bring themselves to eat at american 'coffee' shops any moar. at all.
1758197;1514148056;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 20:11 BigTexasBingo: Every single food better than it's closest US equivalent. Eye candy everywhere.
1758198;1514148346;ben_vulpes;traveling through the suburban wastelands yesterday, i tried a 'starbucks' croissant for lols, thinking to myself, 'imagine if they can screw up the croissant'. and lo, it was terrible. no flake, all soft spongiform inside.
1758199;1514149362;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: some of the bread eaten in blockade-era leningrad , was, i suspect, a serious step ahead of 'starbucks'.
1758200;1514150439;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform discovered that it is impossible to use trinque's bot on fleanode if connecting from a shitazon session:
1758201;1514150454;ben_vulpes;lolrly??
1758202;1514150455;asciilifeform;result is, e.g.,   NOTICE: hitchcock.freenode.net pehbot "*** Notice -- You need to identify via SASL to use this server"
1758203;1514150476;asciilifeform;and it happens regardless of which *.fleanode box the lottotron gives you
1758204;1514150487;ben_vulpes;and only from aws ips?
1758205;1514150504;asciilifeform;nao how would i know if ~only~ from there
1758206;1514150515;asciilifeform;maybe also from zimbabwe , who the fuck knows
1758207;1514150519;asciilifeform;but quite certainly -- from aws.
1758208;1514150546;asciilifeform;evidently world's largest, fastest spam isp, whod'vethunkit!11, is banned even on fleanode.
1758209;1514150607;asciilifeform;which presently leaves asciilifeform with no place to put the bot ( i won't keep it on zoolag, uncloaked irc-to-fleanode results in massive shitfloods routinely )
1758210;1514150621;ben_vulpes;what port are you connecting on?
1758211;1514150631;asciilifeform;trinque's default
1758212;1514150644;asciilifeform;what was it, 6667
1758213;1514150690;ben_vulpes;mhm
1758214;1514150712;asciilifeform;znc proxy would cure, i suspect
1758215;1514150719;asciilifeform;but nao we're talking about a day or three of work.
1758216;1514150790;asciilifeform;part of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756115 process is that they're phasing in 'force people to run heartb^H^H^H^H^H^sasl to merely connect' item.
1758217;1514150790;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 17:59 mircea_popescu: NOW, the first, and naive, thought, would be "o noes, all those poor but intelligent engineer minds who will lose their freenode ; we should try to help them"
1758218;1514151258;ben_vulpes;https://medium.com/bread-and-circuses/how-i-got-paid-0-from-the-uber-security-bug-bounty-aa9646aa103f and in responsible disclosurabilia
1758219;1514151308;asciilifeform;'I put together a Python-based client that can talk to Uber’s backends, to start harvesting OAuth2 tokens for entropy analysis and to see if there are any issues with their PRNG. What’s weird though is that the OAuth2 token doesn’t ever change, and I can’t find anything in the Uber developer documentation that deals with token expiration; literally the same token I was issued when I first created my Uber account for testing i
1758220;1514151308;asciilifeform;s the same token I keep getting, no matter how many times I log in and out of my account using the Surface app' << lel
1758221;1514151321;ben_vulpes;absurdly common
1758222;1514151325;asciilifeform;also Believe Moar PGtronic sc4mz0rz...
1758223;1514151336;ben_vulpes;and they need a next gen authentication framework to fix it...
1758224;1514151400;asciilifeform;'If you invest any time and effort into HackerOne Bug Bounties, HackerOne does not honor their minimum bug bounty guarantee, and will not go to bat for you if you have a dispute with one of their well-placed vendors such as Uber.' << noshit.jpg
1758225;1514151479;*;ben_vulpes running truncation patch, will get back in the saddle after misc duties of parenting while impoverished
1758226;1514151480;asciilifeform;also why wouldja 1) help hitler 2) for $ 500 3) that you'd have to suffer from down's syndrome to actually believe will be paid ...?
1758227;1514151604;asciilifeform;the 3 or 4 people on the planet who can actually SELL 0days , knowing they'll be paid 1) know who they are 2) wouldn't even cough and spit for a mere 500 , esp if paid in taxolade 3) don't deal with 'uber' et al, or any 'responsible-disclosure'-pushing usg.tentacle , not for promises of three kingdoms and five princesses
1758228;1514151734;asciilifeform;if yer a nobody, and you were to show up with a ~serious~ 0day : you have 1000x chance of getting 'weev'-ed, rather than paid .
1758229;1514151973;hanbot; iirc hanbot was using it to do something trilema-related, sounded happy with it. << yeah, i'm working on setting it up with a (partial in all senses) trilema post index, see if it makes finding posts in chan easier since google is ~useless for it. trinque's ircbot as posted has been a joy.
1758230;1514156049;ben_vulpes;mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
1758231;1514156715;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj
1758232;1514156724;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this is neato, i'ma look when i get back
1758233;1514156727;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat
1758234;1514156888;ben_vulpes;how many power rangers did you kill today...
1758235;1514157305;mircea_popescu;aand in other "my skills and oppinions not needed", here's rhonda young : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUkvE0H1Ig
1758236;1514157336;mircea_popescu;and mind all ye of the "aspirational" demographic, all ye dumb pantsuited hussies : the sword keeps right on cutting after it cut the slice you wanted.
1758237;1514157377;mircea_popescu;i know it seemed all great and fabulous back when deskilling brought about abominables a la condolezza rice as "secretary of state" notwithstanding strict incapacity of any sort of thinking
1758238;1514157440;mircea_popescu;but the same drive to ever cheapen the soviet's offerings to the zek ("only political training contributes to forwarding teh revolution!! everything else contributes to costs!!!" said teh world famous elena ceausescu-zigglar) will cheapen the very rug from under your feet also.
1758239;1514157472;mircea_popescu;2020 "young writer for the ny times" ain't gonna be 1950s ginsburg, as it ain't gonna be 1970s mia farrow. it's gonna be fungusbrain bigmomma.
1758240;1514157538;mircea_popescu;when you worship your betters you ensure your place in the world, ~such as it is~. when you worship clitler you get nice words and utter doom.
1758241;1514157673;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#0016 << hey here's an interesting
1758242;1514157716;mircea_popescu;heh.
1758243;1514157729;mircea_popescu;it was important, to limit the derp nodes from choking the network.
1758244;1514157738;mircea_popescu;(if node is behind nat -- it is a drag and naught else)
1758245;1514157805;ben_vulpes;i don't quite see the connection between NATed nodes and this max outbound connections constraint, could you elaborate?
1758246;1514157812;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758191 << none really.
1758247;1514157812;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 20:35 ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0837 << any reason for this to not come out with the truncation patch?
1758248;1514157830;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah i pulled the trigger on that excision along with the hash truncation, see the ml
1758249;1514157837;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes suppose your relay network is 100 nodes ; suppose 10 of those are real nodes and 90 of those bullshit nodes behind a nat in a zek's house somewhere.
1758250;1514157881;mircea_popescu;with the limit of 8, you have the 10 receiving no more than 720 connections, ie 7.2 on average, with a linear distrib max of 15 ? so you can live a standard of "and can handle 16 conns" for a "proper" box
1758251;1514157917;mircea_popescu;if that limit is not there, you can readily encounter a situation where one of the 10 is taken down every other hour by 90 inbound connections. or at least -- more readily.
1758252;1514157999;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758196 << but aren't their skills and oppinions important to you ?!
1758253;1514157999;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 20:40 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758167 << ro was like this. to the point that even nao neither asciilifeform nor his pet can bring themselves to eat at american 'coffee' shops any moar. at all.
1758254;1514158041;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758198 << croissant is THE most difficult item of boulangerie. that's why it's even famous.
1758255;1514158041;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 20:45 ben_vulpes: traveling through the suburban wastelands yesterday, i tried a 'starbucks' croissant for lols, thinking to myself, 'imagine if they can screw up the croissant'. and lo, it was terrible. no flake, all soft spongiform inside.
1758256;1514158175;ben_vulpes;why do the NAT node connections threaten to take down realnodes?
1758257;1514158180;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758208 << you could cloak it, for what that's worth. ask in #freenode, takes an hour or w/e.
1758258;1514158180;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 21:22 asciilifeform: evidently world's largest, fastest spam isp, whod'vethunkit!11, is banned even on fleanode.
1758259;1514158186;*;ben_vulpes suffering from a confusion of ideas
1758260;1514158211;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes a node behind a NAT is not capable of being addressed. so it receives no inbound, merely connects out. so it does not participate in lessening the load.
1758261;1514158240;mircea_popescu;this is the problem here : you get a bunch of "nodes" which only connect out, and a few nodes who get hammered. and since no serious thought was given to
1758262;1514158242;ben_vulpes;ah and when its ip gets passed around the network, it simply shits the whole world up.
1758263;1514158243;mircea_popescu;eh where is it
1758264;1514158269;mircea_popescu;recall we had a discussion re star breaking nat crapolade. but you need the stars and a system specifically designed to use them, as there contemplate
1758265;1514158274;mircea_popescu;not this adockery.
1758266;1514158279;ben_vulpes;right right.
1758267;1514158279;mircea_popescu;adhockery*
1758268;1514158284;ben_vulpes;adcockery!
1758269;1514158304;mircea_popescu;myeah. anyway, stopgap of the "if i make it what i think it should be -- it crashes" line.
1758270;1514158315;ben_vulpes;gotcha
1758271;1514158346;ben_vulpes;well the question rattling around me braincase is ~"does this help or hinder weaponized TRB?"
1758272;1514158360;ben_vulpes;also what on earth is http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1000
1758273;1514158361;mircea_popescu;i didn;t realise anyone kept that thing in.
1758274;1514158400;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to have it in the press, esp considering the history of how that came about. but as obvious knob as it gets.
1758275;1514158432;mircea_popescu;~more of the same.
1758276;1514158515;ben_vulpes;that bitmashing against the ip makes my head hurt.
1758277;1514158526;mircea_popescu;BUT IT WORKS!!!
1758278;1514158536;ben_vulpes;does it? does it really? what the fuck does work even mean here.
1758279;1514158577;mircea_popescu;it'll be cool when they "upgrade" it to ipv6 and the 000ffff mask will have to be updated to correctly handle unicode.
1758280;1514158600;*;ben_vulpes whimpers
1758281;1514158619;ben_vulpes;no updating and no coming!
1758282;1514158629;mircea_popescu;how do yo ulike my confused ideas now, BEOTCH!!11
1758283;1514158643;ben_vulpes;i hate everything
1758284;1514158649;ben_vulpes;but in particular i hate cpp
1758285;1514158692;mircea_popescu;that's just because you're lazy. real men always work with tools designed to work counterproductivelty and maim them in the process.
1758286;1514158702;ben_vulpes;hurtful!
1758287;1514158707;mircea_popescu;observe -- colllege.
1758288;1514158707;ben_vulpes;my feelings!
1758289;1514158774;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758218 << lollfull. also because medium finally switched the bait, now it's full page "pardon the interruption" interstitials.
1758290;1514158774;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 21:34 ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/bread-and-circuses/how-i-got-paid-0-from-the-uber-security-bug-bounty-aa9646aa103f and in responsible disclosurabilia
1758291;1514158860;mircea_popescu;"What’s weird though is that the OAuth2 token doesn’t ever change, and I can’t find anything in the Uber developer documentation that deals with token expiration;" << word.
1758292;1514159047;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if you (or anybody) has a contact for this gregory pery tard (i dun imagine totallynotrobots@protonmail.com actually works ?), maybe point out to him that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758148 and it's really ridoinculous to be wasting his weeks to freely support the usg pile of evil ?
1758293;1514159047;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 19:23 mircea_popescu: in other absolutely-not-news, I suppose the isomorphism http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753616 <<-=->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757015 is evident to everyone except the "self-determined" freewilled parties in question.
1758294;1514159116;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i actually already emailed him
1758295;1514159130;mircea_popescu;cool.
1758296;1514159138;mircea_popescu;i'm curious what flavour of muh feelings gets pulled this time.
1758297;1514159144;ben_vulpes;but judging from how the biofilm uses symbols instead of thinking i rather expect that the protonmail address is read
1758298;1514159176;ben_vulpes;ftr, i dun expect a response
1758299;1514159193;mircea_popescu;hardest thing to look at is how you wasted your life, halfway in. so, yeah.
1758300;1514159225;mircea_popescu;fuck 'em, the salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the self-same drowning. god may mercifully send you a sign, but that's already asking for too much.
1758301;1514159228;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JWdTT/?raw=true for the curious, dear gregory pery do call in, our listeners are dying to meet you
1758302;1514159244;ben_vulpes;god sent him a sign, what's he going to do with it.
1758303;1514159277;mircea_popescu;moar directed next time, i'd guess.
1758304;1514159301;ben_vulpes;aight
1758305;1514159350;ben_vulpes;meanwhile, i (sadly) understand http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758272 now
1758306;1514159350;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 23:32 ben_vulpes: also what on earth is http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1000
1758307;1514159536;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758221 << word. i think there's a half dozen websites dissected on trilema displaying the exact behaviour.
1758308;1514159536;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 21:35 ben_vulpes: absurdly common
1758309;1514159576;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758226 << because he just wants to. just like all the other zektards.
1758310;1514159576;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 21:38 asciilifeform: also why wouldja 1) help hitler 2) for $ 500 3) that you'd have to suffer from down's syndrome to actually believe will be paid ...?
1758311;1514159656;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230 << good.
1758312;1514159656;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
1758313;1514159682;mircea_popescu;idiot didn't even truncate to the same length.
1758314;1514160224;ben_vulpes;also it is *snowing* on *christmas eve* in the northern suburbs of the socialist paradise
1758315;1514160244;mircea_popescu;sounds like global snowing
1758316;1514160797;ben_vulpes;while i wait for the mailing list to process my latest note, please note that the sig attached in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230 needs renaming to `ben_vulpes_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch.ben_vulpes.sig'
1758317;1514160797;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
1758318;1514160826;mircea_popescu;dude... this place isn't for this please note stuff.
1758319;1514160835;mircea_popescu;nobody will note nor should they. why does it need renaming ?
1758320;1514160950;ben_vulpes;otherwise v.pl won't recognize it as a seal.
1758321;1514160982;mircea_popescu;name them properly!
1758322;1514161033;ben_vulpes;let's try again: i misnamed the seal for the truncation patch, must have "ben_vulpes" in the last period-delimited field of the seal name instead of "ben_vules"
1758323;1514161034;mircea_popescu;ben_vules srsly, you misspelled your own name ?
1758324;1514161054;ben_vulpes;do i look like i'm kidding?
1758325;1514161075;danielpbarron;in his defense, you'd have to rename it anyway as the mailing list adds the sha sum to the filename
1758326;1514161082;mircea_popescu;for teh first time in many weeks, i dunno what to say.
1758327;1514161100;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah, not too crazy about that behaviour either.
1758328;1514161252;danielpbarron;i know this was discussed already but i don't see how the sha in the url helps, or for that matter posting sums in chan. if the enemy is gonna swap out the file he can swap out the hash too right?
1758329;1514161314;mircea_popescu;separate items. i think the sha was in the ml name to prevent collisions ;
1758330;1514161340;mircea_popescu;it's in the channel as an ad-hoc thing, "this person is voiced atm, if that's worth anything to you". not intended to prove anything to archeologists.
1758331;1514162348;ben_vulpes;pflol well after excising max_outbound_connections and the one-connection-per-block connection count now at 114 and node very quickly got back up to date
1758332;1514162387;ben_vulpes;there's ~no way that the timeout requestment has fired yet
1758333;1514162509;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2tKj7/?raw=true current vpatch for the curious, will post to ml after letting it run for a while
1758334;1514162640;shinohai;So shinohai managed to acquire decent hotel room on Xmas eve in old hometown .... and has a curious fake plant that resembles marijuana sitting in corner.
1758335;1514162945;ben_vulpes;shinohai: lol pics?
1758336;1514163066;shinohai;gimmie a moment .... shitty fone
1758337;1514163192;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758257 << seems to demand the sasl nonsense , for new nicks
1758338;1514163192;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 23:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758208 << you could cloak it, for what that's worth. ask in #freenode, takes an hour or w/e.
1758339;1514163352;shinohai;ben_vulpes: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/cann.jpeg
1758340;1514163365;ben_vulpes;> cannapeg
1758341;1514163387;ben_vulpes;lol what kind of unholy fascimilie is that
1758342;1514163400;ben_vulpes;facsimilie*
1758343;1514163509;shinohai;I have no idea, these things are located all over the building. I like the place though, beats the shit out of LaQuinta Inn or whatever.
1758344;1514164322;ben_vulpes;!!up KutmasteR merry kutmas
1758345;1514164323;deedbot;KutmasteR voiced for 30 minutes.
1758346;1514164392;shinohai;Also http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wtf.jpeg
1758347;1514165907;*;trinque wonders when the republic shall revive saturnalia
1758348;1514165929;trinque;wine floweth, pants on head, masters serving slaves, carnival riot
1758349;1514165983;trinque;anyhow, whichever one cracks the wine bottles in your house, enjoy it.
1758350;1514165991;*;ben_vulpes toasts trinque
1758351;1514165995;trinque;cheers my friend
1758352;1514166005;ben_vulpes;and eyy, just caught a block before blockchain.info
1758353;1514166015;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nice going.
1758354;1514166095;*;shinohai toasts trinque also [~]D
1758355;1514166122;mircea_popescu;trinque i just got to watch like 4 or 5 different fireworks displays.
1758356;1514166168;ben_vulpes;c block means a.b.c.d right?
1758357;1514166191;trinque;mircea_popescu: lovely, any holiday worth a shit has explosions.
1758358;1514166202;mircea_popescu;word.
1758359;1514166553;ben_vulpes;is there an argument to be made against asking peers for new blocks every time TRB loops through the peerlist? too resource-intensive?
1758360;1514166595;mircea_popescu;every time you connect seems the logical place.
1758361;1514166602;shinohai;Dunno what others think, but I would prefer this as a knob to turn on/off
1758362;1514166636;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: that could in theory be once and never after for long-running and stable connections
1758363;1514166650;mircea_popescu;and operator is free to kick off unperformant peers.
1758364;1514166658;mircea_popescu;however he defines it
1758365;1514166727;ben_vulpes;shinohai: howabout a timeout knob? every  minutes after the last block, pushgetblocks to all peers?
1758366;1514166757;mircea_popescu;to peers that advertise lower height than yours ?
1758367;1514166796;shinohai;That's a good idea too ... timeout knob.
1758368;1514166809;mircea_popescu;"every 10 minutes pushgetblocks to all peers that advertise higher height than yours" is still wasteful, you will ask 114 people for the same item with your new cuts.
1758369;1514166859;mircea_popescu;how about "pushgetblock to ONE peer randomly selected from the list of peers advertising higher block tip than you have upon every block verification (whether successful or not) and every 10 minutes henceforth"
1758370;1514166947;mircea_popescu;then the "10" can be configurable ; or else it can be calculated by the node, (such as "117% of average time it took me to check the past 144 blocks" for instance)
1758371;1514167097;ben_vulpes;i'll have to look into how block height is advertised but that makes sense mircea_popescu
1758372;1514168161;ben_vulpes;!!up BigTexasBingo
1758373;1514168161;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1758374;1514168165;ben_vulpes;noches, btb
1758375;1514168206;BigTexasBingo;Hola, shit latino navidad has a fuckton of fireworks
1758376;1514168309;ben_vulpes;wowee, when i reload blockchain.info first it shows one number for how long a block's been advertised and then shortly thereafter, another number indicating they've known about it for longer than they said at first!
1758377;1514168321;ben_vulpes;the magic of javascript! you can decide what world you live in!
1758378;1514168366;*;BigTexasBingo loving the shit out of the aggression talk
1758379;1514168369;danielpbarron; what's the difference? maybe they report the time they initially saw it but don't list till it's verified
1758380;1514168409;danielpbarron;i've noticed a few times my node saw a block before bc.i but they end up listing it before mine verifies
1758381;1514168416;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: first the page renders with 500918: 12, then five seconds later 500918 now apparently has an age of 13 minutes
1758382;1514168433;danielpbarron;oh hah, that's way off huh
1758383;1514168452;mircea_popescu;um. why use deltas anyway ?
1758384;1514168453;ben_vulpes;yeah, and this is true of all their listed blocks
1758385;1514168481;ben_vulpes;i imagine there's some "isomorphic backend rendering" node black magic horseshit going on behind the scenes
1758386;1514168486;BigTexasBingo;!~ticker --market all
1758387;1514168492;jhvh1;BigTexasBingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13780.74, vol: 17506.11025523 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13249.0, vol: 67456.67368532 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13557.1, vol: 3304.87907432 | Volume-weighted last average: 13365.9956466
1758388;1514168520;BigTexasBingo;And the aggression scares the crashing.
1758389;1514168558;ben_vulpes;anyways, my node is now either fourteen or fifteen minutes behind bc.i depending on how their javascript feels, so perhaps there's nothing to this aggression after all, sorry to disappoint BigTexasBingo
1758390;1514168603;BigTexasBingo;Don't read to much into the words, follow the laughing and you're in.
1758391;1514168623;mircea_popescu;it's a complicated topic, ben_vulpes ; do not expect "this one weird trick" cures.
1758392;1514168654;mircea_popescu;solid and patient improvements towards the right thing ; but preferably after db fix & client split as discussed.
1758393;1514168684;BigTexasBingo;Could be the most practical trilema piece of the year that one. Utilized in meatspace so soon after publication.
1758394;1514168790;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: am looking more for "open throttle to max airflow" knob than holographic stickers to increase hp
1758395;1514168864;ben_vulpes;in other random lols: 2017-12-25_02:27:44.00324 version message: version 70013, blocks=0
1758396;1514173858;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230 << http://btcbase.org/patches/ben_vulpes_excise_hash_truncation
1758397;1514173858;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
1758398;1514174144;ben_vulpes;sweet! thanks phf
1758399;1514175271;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform mod6 phf mircea_popescu trinque and phriendz: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000283.html
1758400;1514175541;phf;^ http://btcbase.org/patches/ben_vulpes_increase_aggression_levels
1758401;1514175715;ben_vulpes;phf: ty!
1758402;1514175966;ben_vulpes;and in other cribbings from trilema: "there's no price signal omgwtfbbq!" https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2017/12/17/why-you-cant-cash-out-pt-1-why-bitcoins-price-is-largely-fictional/
1758403;1514176011;mircea_popescu;except you can cash out perfectly fine, and this fucktard used to be http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ if memory serves.
1758404;1514176018;ben_vulpes;indeed!
1758405;1514176022;mircea_popescu;did he ever answer to why is he such a despicable piece of shit ?
1758406;1514176034;mircea_popescu;or is this alt-world where we never have to confront uncomfortable truths.
1758407;1514176044;ben_vulpes;all worlds outside #trilema are the alt-world
1758408;1514176056;mircea_popescu;i guess we leave him a note.
1758409;1514176066;ben_vulpes;geeeeeet in there!
1758410;1514180672;phf;i think mr. gerard came up here in a different context, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725992
1758411;1514180672;a111;Logged on 2017-10-17 15:14 phf: and for those who'd like an even deeper david rabbit hole, https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/David_Gerard and https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Arkady, i am otherwise tapping out. first article of the day, and i've already had enough
1758412;1514180729;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725950 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725952
1758413;1514180729;a111;Logged on 2017-10-17 11:43 phf: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2017/10/16/the-russian-cryptoruble-story-whats-actually-happening-here/ Russian crypto currency with Russian cryptography
1758414;1514180729;a111;Logged on 2017-10-17 12:41 mircea_popescu: phf who the fuck is some tool named david know or have to say about "ruble" anyway
1758415;1514180734;phf;etc.
1758416;1514183358;mircea_popescu;hm
1758417;1514183626;mircea_popescu;giving a bad name to both respectability and dissolution at the same time!
1758418;1514184009;mircea_popescu;anyway, i guess the buttcoiner pedo pantsuitism readily answers the economic question. dood trashed early bitcoin business BECAUSE that's why he had it in the first place. wasn't looking to do something useful, was looking to establish cred to try and fuck up the useful.
1758419;1514211466;asciilifeform;1 thing i dunget, tho, how did gerald davis turn into david gerard ?
1758420;1514211518;asciilifeform;... non-ecc ram?
1758421;1514219566;mircea_popescu;there's more to it than just http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757591 by the way ; consider the example in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758218 : dude keeps talking of "endpoints" which are in point of fact URLs. much like crapples files very secretly used under the hood but denied to the luser.
1758422;1514219566;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 17:49 asciilifeform: or disgorge, via any means short of full bore crack, anything previously written therein , as a file
1758423;1514219566;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 21:34 ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/bread-and-circuses/how-i-got-paid-0-from-the-uber-security-bug-bounty-aa9646aa103f and in responsible disclosurabilia
1758424;1514219589;mircea_popescu;they may omit to implement any meaningful utility or security ; what they will NEVER omit is a fully implementation of the ideology.
1758425;1514219614;mircea_popescu;you KNOW they'll have heartbleed and orc glyphs and so on and so forth, even as the "security tokens" never expire and the gameplay just isn't there.
1758426;1514220291;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758419 << when phf said so. how much attention should be paid to supposed differences among the biofilm ?
1758427;1514220291;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 14:17 asciilifeform: 1 thing i dunget, tho, how did gerald davis turn into david gerard ?
1758428;1514220317;mircea_popescu;they're in the biofilm as their own oh-so-precious choice, specifically so as not to be distinguishable, wut can we do.
1758429;1514224433;mircea_popescu;!!up l0de
1758430;1514224433;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1758431;1514224450;l0de;Yes hello, l0de here
1758432;1514224460;mircea_popescu;lol hi.
1758433;1514224471;mircea_popescu;oh right, right, the sw radio guy.
1758434;1514224473;mircea_popescu;how goes ?
1758435;1514224573;l0de;I'm here in search of funds
1758436;1514224584;mircea_popescu;oh ? funds to fund what ?
1758437;1514224586;l0de;where is our homie Danielpbarron
1758438;1514224598;mircea_popescu;!~seen danielpbarron
1758439;1514224599;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: danielpbarron was last seen in #trilema 15 hours, 36 minutes, and 5 seconds ago:  oh hah, that's way off huh
1758440;1514224611;l0de;DPB pledged $800 to support the radio arts
1758441;1514224614;mircea_popescu;possibly xmas party with the nude truebelievers.
1758442;1514224624;l0de;superb
1758443;1514224632;mircea_popescu;!#s l0de from:danielpbarron
1758444;1514224632;a111;13 results for "l0de from:danielpbarron", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=l0de%20from%3Adanielpbarron
1758445;1514224636;l0de;I myself partook of such fleshy delights last evening
1758446;1514224654;mircea_popescu;l0de so how long since you ran a pirate radio ?
1758447;1514224668;l0de;We ran a pirate radio last week, actually
1758448;1514224678;mircea_popescu;what freq/whereabouts ?
1758449;1514224682;l0de;the transmitters available to us cycle out a lot
1758450;1514224689;l0de;often we're hitting shortwave stuff
1758451;1514224742;mircea_popescu;l0de ^
1758452;1514224905;l0de;I generally don't handle the technical elements of it
1758453;1514224929;l0de;people are just grabbing the stream and rebroadcasting it on local transmitters
1758454;1514224932;l0de;it's mega fun though
1758455;1514225020;mircea_popescu;l0de the technical elements of it are specifically what interests me, actually.
1758456;1514225045;mircea_popescu;are you willing to run a sponsorship ad on your next show, so people who DO sw-retransmit get some dough ?
1758457;1514225104;l0de;sure, if the previous promised funds are remitted
1758458;1514225116;l0de;most of the people who retransmit are already quite wealthy
1758459;1514225120;mircea_popescu;i've no doubt they will be, dood just needs to wake up.
1758460;1514225134;l0de;If you want to talk radio shit, #LRH on efnet, sloth and nance are the big gearheads
1758461;1514225147;l0de;there are a few people there really into web transmission of stuff too, who know all about nginx etc
1758462;1514225154;mircea_popescu;well, how familiar are you with the republic &c ?
1758463;1514225165;l0de;my own expertise is in psychological operatives, I'm former intel
1758464;1514225184;l0de;I'm only vaguely acquainted, I spoke with DPB about it
1758465;1514225195;mircea_popescu;i meant specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736549
1758466;1514225195;a111;Logged on 2017-11-12 16:48 mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future.
1758467;1514225196;mircea_popescu;aha.
1758468;1514225211;l0de;and was somewhat put off to find he didn't have any actionable plans other than BTC inevitably collapsing the government
1758469;1514225235;l0de;whereas I am one of the oldschool change grows out of the barrel of a gun types
1758470;1514225241;mircea_popescu;so, to get on the same page here, the general strategy is, 1. construct undisruptable comms ; 2. disrupt usg&friends comms ; 3. disrupt usg&friends physical presence.
1758471;1514225258;l0de;oh neat
1758472;1514225261;mircea_popescu;as far as mostly 1 is concerned, there's significant interest in shortwave, which is why it's a recurrent thread in the logs.
1758473;1514225272;l0de;that's much more desirable than what we had
1758474;1514225276;mircea_popescu;as in, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22short%22+%22wave%22
1758475;1514225278;l0de;shortwave is problematic for a lot of reasons
1758476;1514225284;mircea_popescu;do tell.
1758477;1514225303;l0de;well for one, it's one of the things the mil pays EXTREMELY close attention to
1758478;1514225311;mircea_popescu;aha.
1758479;1514225320;l0de;every single thing happening on shortwave is of interest to them
1758480;1514225322;mircea_popescu;this is rather an advantage.
1758481;1514225326;l0de;and it's all mapped and documented
1758482;1514225353;l0de;whereas comparatively internet traffic is all filtered and only things fitting a profile are really logged and paid attention to
1758483;1514225371;mircea_popescu;the idea isn't at any point to somehow "appear small and escape detection".
1758484;1514225383;l0de;additionally shortwave is jammable, unreliable, and lossy
1758485;1514225410;l0de;If shortwave was the problem, the USG could render the entire thing unusable with relatively trivial effort
1758486;1514225421;mircea_popescu;have you read eg http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ ?
1758487;1514225427;l0de;however it's a valualbe supplement
1758488;1514225444;l0de;no, let me take a look at this
1758489;1514225447;mircea_popescu;render usable how, exactly ? like the soviets did ?
1758490;1514225456;mircea_popescu;it did not work for the soviets ; and it won't work for these soviets v2.0 eithert.
1758491;1514225527;l0de;nice
1758492;1514225544;l0de;the soviets never tried to go nuclear and completely bombard the frequencies
1758493;1514225561;l0de;because of the whole ww3 thing
1758494;1514225581;l0de;now that that's not such a consideration, it's possible to do that in a "oh fuck" scenario
1758495;1514225588;mircea_popescu;i guess you can now read http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/
1758496;1514225614;mircea_popescu;the point doesn't JUST go re nukes per se ; this whole "usg could do THE BIG THING" is entirely pantsuit wank.,
1758497;1514225615;l0de;I'm intimately familiar with nukes
1758498;1514225636;l0de;lol @ the sec email by the way
1758499;1514225643;mircea_popescu;in point of fact the usg is today much less powerful or capable than ye olde ck-kpss.
1758500;1514225648;l0de;well I'm just saying here
1758501;1514225659;l0de;at the point where shortwave communications pose an existential threat to usg
1758502;1514225670;l0de;they have the ability to greatly degrade all shortwave communications
1758503;1514225674;l0de;to the point of unusability
1758504;1514225676;mircea_popescu;they have no suych thing
1758505;1514225705;l0de;why do you believe they lack that capability
1758506;1514225709;mircea_popescu;they have less of an ability to impede sw comms than the soviets had in 1977 ; and it didn't work for the soviets in 1977.
1758507;1514225723;mircea_popescu;l0de intel, experience, errything.
1758508;1514225742;l0de;oh I see, I was unaware you were in intelligence
1758509;1514225744;l0de;what branch \ dept
1758510;1514225764;mircea_popescu;i am not in intelligence ; i have my very own intel dept, as a going concern.
1758511;1514225791;l0de;well, I would suggest you remain open to the possibility that this capability exists
1758512;1514225797;l0de;as a free tip from your friend, l0de ray dio
1758513;1514225810;mircea_popescu;gladly.
1758514;1514225840;l0de;I'm more of a fan of a microsat style solution
1758515;1514225846;l0de;it is a huge fucking pain in the ass to deal with those
1758516;1514225847;mircea_popescu;why is that ?
1758517;1514225868;l0de;because we don't currently have a platform that can deal with them in a meaningful way
1758518;1514225897;l0de;I'm actually working on a science fiction story about it right now
1758519;1514225898;mircea_popescu;romania recently launched its first sat ; it was a 10 cc sorta lul.
1758520;1514225918;l0de;we roma believe it's now what you have
1758521;1514225921;l0de;but how you use it
1758522;1514225930;mircea_popescu;wait what ?
1758523;1514225941;l0de;yes, I'm a gyp
1758524;1514225945;l0de;brb
1758525;1514225957;mircea_popescu;lol romania is rather unrelated to gypsies.
1758526;1514225976;mircea_popescu;sorta like naples has little to do with napalm.
1758527;1514226120;shinohai;Logged  13:19 	+l0de	yes, I'm a gyp >>> dasracist.ada
1758528;1514226249;mircea_popescu;heh
1758529;1514226251;mircea_popescu;!!up l0de
1758530;1514226252;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1758531;1514226568;l0de;well my people are from Ardeal
1758532;1514226572;l0de;so we're a little related
1758533;1514226575;mircea_popescu;i'm from cluj.
1758534;1514226578;l0de;MAKE MOLDOVA ROMANIA AGAIN
1758535;1514226586;mircea_popescu;looks entirely likely actually.
1758536;1514226644;l0de;ya, time will tell
1758537;1514226681;l0de;alright, well I am off to take advantage of the holiday cheer by swindling some people
1758538;1514226689;l0de;fare the well, hollar @ dpb if you see him for me
1758539;1514226692;mircea_popescu;lol. hey, leave a way for danielpbarron to pay you
1758540;1514226702;l0de;ya, he's sending the funds to MTW
1758541;1514226713;mircea_popescu;ah.
1758542;1514226714;l0de;who I believe registered and leapt through the hoops
1758543;1514226718;l0de;MTW is our moneyman
1758544;1514226726;mircea_popescu;!!key MTW
1758545;1514226728;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/5048EC06FA366D1350F5DBDD55A423FD89074FC4.asc
1758546;1514226730;mircea_popescu;cool.
1758547;1514226734;l0de;Our next show will be on 12/31
1758548;1514226745;l0de;get someone to call in and do an infomercial about the republic
1758549;1514226746;mircea_popescu;feel free to leave pointer
1758550;1514227573;ben_vulpes;!!reputation MTW
1758551;1514227574;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AmtCx/?raw=true
1758552;1514228414;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them
1758553;1514228414;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 18:10 mircea_popescu: have you read eg http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ ?
1758554;1514228415;mircea_popescu;) ; b) that the "law" of $random-other-fiatlul MAY (not does, MAY) diverge in any manner at any point and finally that c) it is incumbent on the pretender to exhaustively prove to any arbitrary standard that b does not apply.
1758555;1514228474;mircea_popescu;this drives the screw into the psychopaths that their wankworld is just one random wankworld among many extant and possible ones, of no further interest than any other piece of bad fanfic, and besides, evidently the only way to satisfy c is if they conquer each other, so maybe ww-lulz can be had in the same go.
1758556;1514230496;mircea_popescu;and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758548 anyone got any ideas of how to meaningfully support the SW hobbist ?
1758557;1514230496;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 18:32 l0de: get someone to call in and do an infomercial about the republic
1758558;1514230734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: those who are only interested in transmitting voice -- may as well be rust hobbyists
1758559;1514230744;mircea_popescu;same item can be used for both
1758560;1514230749;asciilifeform;and that's ~all, afaik, of'em
1758561;1514230750;asciilifeform;nope
1758562;1514230755;asciilifeform;need carrierless.
1758563;1514230766;asciilifeform;wholly different circuit.
1758564;1514230769;mircea_popescu;oooh
1758565;1514230778;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 
1758566;1514230780;mircea_popescu;that's a good point.
1758567;1514230785;mircea_popescu;and yes we gotta formulate something.
1758568;1514231339;mod6; /names
1758569;1514231342;mod6;bah
1758570;1514233411;mod6;My host for 'www.mod6.net' is currently down, support ticket filed.  Will let you know when it's back up.  Thanks.
1758571;1514234259;danielpbarron;i already sent the money to MTW that night. pretty sure it went through
1758572;1514234297;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755738 << i wrote both a "rebroadcasttransaction" and a "dumprawtx"; the former categorically did not work, the latter...at least produces raw transactions on disk.
1758573;1514234297;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 01:52 phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
1758574;1514234344;ben_vulpes;will post the transaction dumper later, after i tinker with it a bit more.
1758575;1514234385;ben_vulpes;oho i think i see why the rebroadcaster appeared to fail completely, nobody likes trb dust
1758576;1514235348;ben_vulpes;!!up lollig400
1758577;1514235349;deedbot;lollig400 voiced for 30 minutes.
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1758579;1514235355;ben_vulpes;!!down lollig400
1758580;1514235356;lollig400;▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ HAPPY NIGGER MAS!! IF YOU WANT JOIN A CELEBRATION THAT IS NIGGER FREE PLEASE JOIN #/JOIN RIGHT HERE ON THIS NETWORK!! elmkussi: whaack phf The20YearIRCloud asciilifeform danielpbarron ben_vulpes _whitelogger Framedragger ang-st gribble jurov shinohai mquander spyked mod6 MTW StarmanDeluxe punto yangwao_ Techman deedbot kjj dooglus mircea_popescu trinque mimisbrunnr
1758581;1514235391;ben_vulpes;join #/join ?
1758582;1514236300;shinohai;Logged:  15:57 	<--	lollig400 has quit (K-Lined)   <<< Now we are closer to nigger free.
1758583;1514236445;ben_vulpes;and in bbc news today http://currentnewsinnigeria.com/2017/12/shocking-porn-video-showing-man-woman-having-sex-mistakenly-displayed-in-church-during-church-service-photo/
1758584;1514239538;ben_vulpes;"The SEC, on the other hand, thinks that the accelerated monitoring fees themselves were dumb and bad. It is not wrong, exactly, about that. But dumb and bad fees are not, in general, violations of the securities laws, and so the SEC has to pretend that the dumb and bad fees were also not disclosed. It is sort of a charming picture of the investment industry: If a fee is dumb and bad enough, then no investor
1758585;1514239541;ben_vulpes;could have agreed to pay it, so it must not have been disclosed. Even if it actually was."
1758586;1514239785;ben_vulpes;https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-22/business-consultant-submits-perfect-bill
1758587;1514242500;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, mod6, mircea_popescu: because an ideal v wouldn't apply both increase_aggression_levels and excise_hash_truncation when pressing excise_hash_truncation, how do i make another vpatch depend on both of those without needlessly touching a file changed in excise_hash_truncations to make increase_aggression_levels depend on it or vice versa?
1758588;1514242512;ben_vulpes;i baked the vpatch i'm working on by pressing to excise_hash_truncation which only works accidentally, as v.pl presses both leaves at that level (first increase_aggression_levels and then excise_hash_truncation); but i don't see a route to producing a vpatch stitching together excise_hash_truncation and increase_aggression_levels without doing something that v doesn't support like pressing multiple heads
1758589;1514242514;ben_vulpes;that don't touch the same file
1758590;1514242579;ben_vulpes;the specifics of this case is that increase_aggression_levels touches *only* net.cpp and excise_hash_truncations touches a whole lotta stuff but *not* net.cpp
1758591;1514245309;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758531 << of course it would've sounded a lot lamer, if you just straight up said "i'm from transylvania"
1758592;1514245309;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 18:29 l0de: well my people are from Ardeal
1758593;1514245781;phf;so first time i got on irc, 96 or so, i was on some random irc channel, and overcome with the awesomeness (in the proper sense) of this intercontinental communication. the person i was talking to was irish, so, eager to find some common ground in this historically first teleconference between the russian people and the irish, i blurted that you could say that i'm also sort of irish
1758594;1514245907;phf;he said, oh yeah, so i had to explain that you could say that i was irish, by way of Rurik, who was a Varangian. when the guy finally understood what i was talking about, he was not amused, possibly because i got my nordic tribal relationships wrong
1758595;1514246166;phf;so naturally i was surprised and delighted when i came to u.s., and discovered that every other person i'd meet was also russian, by way of a great great great great parent who imigrated from ireland, fleeing as he was the repercussions of second desmond rebellion
1758596;1514247120;ben_vulpes;!!up BigTexasBingo
1758597;1514247121;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1758598;1514247172;BigTexasBingo;Muchas gracias. Navidad muy tranquila after the three solid hours of latino Xmas fireworks
1758599;1514247228;BigTexasBingo;Polishing my boots for a week of pounding pavement during the day on the isp and pounding something else in the evenings
1758600;1514247456;BigTexasBingo;Businesses are starting to reopen in phases and it appears fireworks may happen again
1758601;1514247957;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758144 << comment stuck in spam queue?
1758602;1514247957;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 19:15 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox post your puzzle-hash as comment in ch4
1758603;1514250215;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756397 indeed ; drama afoot ?
1758604;1514250215;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 05:13 deedbot: danielpbarron paid MTW 0.054
1758605;1514250244;MTW;hey
1758606;1514250284;MTW;danielpbarron: my withdraw never went through
1758607;1514250332;mircea_popescu;did you verify it ?
1758608;1514250336;MTW;i did
1758609;1514250340;MTW;and i see a 0.0 balance now
1758610;1514250351;mircea_popescu;what address was it to go to ?
1758611;1514250351;MTW;but no transaction on blockchain, etc
1758612;1514250356;MTW;sec let me check logs
1758613;1514250389;MTW;1LYDdX8NNA3J5Zi8GMDBCtrCCwoAp6pVKV
1758614;1514250392;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758589 << i don't get what the problem is. write a patch that modifies the filebase into the shape you want it to be. what's the problem ?
1758615;1514250392;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 22:55 ben_vulpes: that don't touch the same file
1758616;1514250426;trinque;MTW: ah, I see it. there's a printout I apparently didn't get. give me a few and I'll dispatch.
1758617;1514250433;MTW;awesome alright
1758618;1514250436;trinque;the bot uses a cold wallet, with a human step
1758619;1514250445;mircea_popescu;cool.
1758620;1514250449;MTW;yeah that is the smart way to do it
1758621;1514250468;trinque;MTW: I am the operator, so report any strange to me. sorry for the delay.
1758622;1514250479;MTW;will do, nbd
1758623;1514250572;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758595 << is teh punchline missing there ?
1758624;1514250572;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 23:56 phf: so naturally i was surprised and delighted when i came to u.s., and discovered that every other person i'd meet was also russian, by way of a great great great great parent who imigrated from ireland, fleeing as he was the repercussions of second desmond rebellion
1758625;1514250993;phf;one disadvantage of irc is that once you start on a thought, you can't really revise. i didn't really have a good punch line, so i left it at that, a dud, rather than fizzle with a weak punchline.
1758626;1514251009;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758601 << queue is empty
1758627;1514251009;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 00:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758144 << comment stuck in spam queue?
1758628;1514251072;phf;asciilifeform: weird, because i posted and it gave me a #comment-xxx redirect, which is usually what it does when waiting for moderator
1758629;1514251080;mircea_popescu;quote the xxx ?
1758630;1514251397;phf;hmm, i think firefox's history might've died with a crash, so i got nothing, i'll just repost
1758631;1514254209;deedbot;MTW: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lkbVa/?raw=true
1758632;1514256407;asciilifeform;phf: comment posted
1758633;1514263684;*;asciilifeform notices massive shitflood, turns out: front page of lamernews again 
1758634;1514277448;mircea_popescu;heh
1758635;1514285935;mircea_popescu;aand in other socialism-improved-college lulz, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/21/chicago-was-sexual-fantasy-of-us-professor-and-oxford-college-worker
1758636;1514286838;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-hippopotamus/ << Trilema - The Hippopotamus
1758637;1514292023;BingoBoingo;And I got to skip the awkward waiting between mandatory check out and check back in times at the hostel
1758638;1514292631;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1758639;1514292637;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15301.0, vol: 13793.77734905 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14997.0, vol: 57417.10285256 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15316.5, vol: 2684.04490121 | Volume-weighted last average: 15065.3519288
1758640;1514292693;BingoBoingo;Who could have predicted that bank holiday ends and crashing resumes!
1758641;1514295011;BingoBoingo;!!up zen_
1758642;1514295012;deedbot;zen_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1758643;1514295043;zen_;oh shit does that mean i have to chat that long?
1758644;1514295058;BingoBoingo;zen_: Quien es su papa y que se hace el?
1758645;1514295073;BingoBoingo;zen_: No, it means you have that long to make a case for sticking around
1758646;1514295092;BingoBoingo;Or issue a plea for the chance to make your case again
1758647;1514295132;zen_;i have a case of chocolate truffles
1758648;1514295145;zen_;will that suffice?
1758649;1514295170;BingoBoingo;El chocolate truffles, de donde es?
1758650;1514295457;BingoBoingo;Anyways with regards to your identity. Who are you, Where did you come from, How did you get here, and where to you imagine you are going?
1758651;1514295461;BingoBoingo;tick tock
1758652;1514295469;BingoBoingo;zen_: ^
1758653;1514295556;BingoBoingo;zen_: Also do you have a blog, or any links to work which might impress the republic?
1758654;1514295756;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/26/as-it-turns-out-fireworks-do-not-photograph-well-navidad-in-the-land-of-tranquility/ << Bingo Blog - As It Turns Out Fireworks Do Not Photograph Well: Navidad In The Land Of Tranquility
1758655;1514296838;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/Q0fc5 >> 'Thousands of government papers detailing some of the most controversial episodes in 20th-century British history have vanished after civil servants removed them from the country’s National Archives and then reported them as lost.'
1758656;1514298215;shinohai;The whole series thus far is very entertaining.
1758657;1514298219;shinohai;Nice post BingoBoingo, only thing that offends my ears: "El edificios aca tiene huesos / Los edificios aca tienen huesos"
1758658;1514298523;BingoBoingo;Muchas gracias
1758659;1514298553;BingoBoingo;It appears my verb tense errors may be leaking bits of recent conversation context
1758660;1514298738;BingoBoingo;In other news, god bless Peru for not having real datacenters. Sounds like a very inconvenient place to be right now.
1758661;1514299501;shinohai;De nada .... what's happening in Peru, The Cuy is rising up?
1758662;1514299632;BingoBoingo;The current president issued a compasionate pardon allowing former president to die in a hospital rather than prison. The pantsuit fake news is alleging riots. Possibility of USG.blue color shennanigans.
1758663;1514300231;shinohai;Turns out that my supposition wasn't too far off, average Peruvian being about as intelligent as a cuy,
1758664;1514300520;BingoBoingo;En otra cosas http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/montevideo-eje-megaestafa-dinero-irregular.html
1758665;1514300615;BingoBoingo;And this is how they do the weather here http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/mal-asi-estara-diciembre-enero.html
1758666;1514301598;shinohai;Does local TV have sexy weather girl BingoBoingo ?
1758667;1514301670;BingoBoingo;I haven't actively watched tv since Houston
1758668;1514301750;BingoBoingo;lol http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/afap-cruzan-murro-exigen-discutir-sistema.html
1758669;1514303403;shinohai;http://archive.is/LBEfk   << Wonder if I can get a discount if I use Prime.
1758670;1514303939;shinohai;http://archive.is/5AOg5   << Run moar prb ... "I dont know how i got hacked, i use my laptop just for coldstorage, i turn it on and all my BTC are gone."
1758671;1514303953;shinohai;I don't think cold storage means what you think it means.
1758672;1514305131;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/26/other-assorted-trivia-on-navidad-in-uruguay/ << Bingo Blog - Other Assorted Trivia On Navidad In Uruguay
1758673;1514306522;BingoBoingo;And from the Spades and Spades departmento https://i.redditmedia.com/AQIpkdNnuUHHIyzGjCoT27cNXadOJaQXbMtC5IvJECg.jpg?w=603&s=680f4783200e1fcaac02a3c15602d477
1758674;1514306816;shinohai;^ top keke
1758675;1514306919;BingoBoingo;And pantsuit climatarasty neglects that... when heat fuels 100% humidity... Rain tends to happen dropping the humidity again https://archive.is/k7j1f
1758676;1514307242;BingoBoingo;And pantsuit WAPO defends assaults of sexual natures https://archive.is/LbRiA
1758677;1514309474;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1758678;1514309480;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15950.0, vol: 14013.56605120 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15816.0, vol: 59791.06830403 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16079.8, vol: 3298.34940167 | Volume-weighted last average: 15851.6396379
1758679;1514310749;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758614 << consider a genesis, a and b patchset where a and b don't touch the same files. if i press to b, write a c that descends from b, it will not have a as an antecedent. when you say "modify the filebase into the shape that you want it to be", do you mean include the changes of a in the c patch?
1758680;1514310749;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 01:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758589 << i don't get what the problem is. write a patch that modifies the filebase into the shape you want it to be. what's the problem ?
1758681;1514312157;ben_vulpes;and in other profitable mining strategies: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/25/business/energy-environment/germany-electricity-negative-prices.html
1758682;1514312218;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758644 << what's your daddy DO HIMSELF ?
1758683;1514312218;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 13:30 BingoBoingo: zen_: Quien es su papa y que se hace el?
1758684;1514312246;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758647 << better than average, let's put it that way.
1758685;1514312246;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 13:32 zen_: i have a case of chocolate truffles
1758686;1514312420;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758666 << speaking of, /me saw fox something-or-the-other over at whorehouse/steakhouse yest. they had a chick with an ass/waist/boob range that was iiincredible, and then had her act like a retarded 12yo playing pattycake and whatnot with the blondy they had paired her up with.
1758687;1514312420;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 15:19 shinohai: Does local TV have sexy weather girl BingoBoingo ?
1758688;1514312433;mircea_popescu;sometimes lowest effort as typical of tv pays off, i guess.
1758689;1514312436;BingoBoingo;lol
1758690;1514312443;shinohai;xD
1758691;1514312487;mircea_popescu;better than the "professional" conceit. really, someone got to anchor tv for their non-cleavage skills ? what am i to believe next, that bridges are for sale ?
1758692;1514312505;BingoBoingo;Perhaps soon!
1758693;1514312526;BingoBoingo;Could anchor for non-cleavage acrobatics skills.
1758694;1514312548;mircea_popescu;if one's stuck pretending something stupid, better off make it include being stupid rather than pretend it's possible to include some kind of being smart that doesn't readily reduce to being smrt.
1758695;1514312602;mircea_popescu;"oh, i read cnn for the commentary, the boobs are INCIDENTAL. also, fleshhouse and playcunt, same deal. oh and those letters to the editor ? totes legit!"
1758696;1514312632;mircea_popescu;"the arrangement leaves me stranded when eg trying to understand why hillary lost, but that's ok, i'm not really meant to understand things."
1758697;1514312752;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758679 << the ~only way to fix a tree that has diverged is to regrind that portion of the divergence you intend to keep.
1758698;1514312752;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 17:52 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758614 << consider a genesis, a and b patchset where a and b don't touch the same files. if i press to b, write a c that descends from b, it will not have a as an antecedent. when you say "modify the filebase into the shape that you want it to be", do you mean include the changes of a in the c patch?
1758699;1514312761;mircea_popescu;the situation where a and b are pressed SEPARATELY is a fork.
1758700;1514312775;mircea_popescu;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757999
1758701;1514312775;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 17:02 mircea_popescu: because it will cost someone's time to reconcile.
1758702;1514312809;mircea_popescu;so as the reconciler, you get to pick which of ~either~ a ~or~ b  to count in your considered oppinion as the republican and which as the heretic.
1758703;1514312824;mircea_popescu;because nothing less than this is at stake ; and do not make stray patches if you can help it.
1758704;1514312859;hanbot;in other puns, i discovered just this morning that "hippopotamus" is the latin horse + river, had missed out on the double pun fun of http://trilema.com/2017/the-hippopotamus/ 's last line. i stand in awe and horror of whomever ends up adnotating trilema
1758705;1514312870;mircea_popescu;ehehehe.
1758706;1514312902;mircea_popescu;hanbot no but see, THIS is what a classical education fucking is. not retarded fry making hobbit jokes because hey, the history according to fry started when he first got a bit of usg.corp fried chicken.
1758707;1514312921;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: aye aye
1758708;1514314692;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1758709;1514314697;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15662.0, vol: 13962.96317052 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15563.0, vol: 60770.99895801 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15746.5, vol: 3400.44095335 | Volume-weighted last average: 15588.6777321
1758710;1514315857;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, got your package! ty
1758711;1514315907;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: How's the frozen north?
1758712;1514315924;danielpbarron;i hate it
1758713;1514315932;mircea_popescu;o hey, nice.
1758714;1514316014;danielpbarron;photographed the unboxing to maybe post on blog when i figure this mp-wp thing out
1758715;1514316029;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1758716;1514316042;mircea_popescu;didja run into trouble with it ? ask away
1758717;1514316092;danielpbarron;do you use apache(2) or nginx?
1758718;1514316101;mircea_popescu;should work equally well on both.
1758719;1514316107;mircea_popescu;atm some apache, but historically also nginx
1758720;1514316117;danielpbarron;i'm familiar with apache but i was trying out nginx at first for this
1758721;1514316142;mircea_popescu;might need mysql db installed separately if only comes with postgres or something
1758722;1514316154;*;mircea_popescu can't recall if mp-wp still supports psql or not
1758723;1514316254;shinohai;mp-wp worked equally well on apache and nginx for me. Never used another db besides mysql tho
1758724;1514317094;BingoBoingo;!!up seefelder
1758725;1514317094;ben_vulpes;!!up seefelder
1758726;1514317095;deedbot;seefelder voiced for 30 minutes.
1758727;1514317096;deedbot;seefelder voiced for 30 minutes.
1758728;1514317115;BingoBoingo;seefelder: Who is your daddy and what does he do himself?
1758729;1514317173;seefelder;that's private
1758730;1514317192;BingoBoingo;Well, who are you?
1758731;1514317228;seefelder;i am (NOT) a bot, reflecting human species
1758732;1514317267;BingoBoingo;That's not very informative, you've expended both your strikes. One last chance to make a good impression.
1758733;1514317269;diana_coman;seefelder, any blog where one can read what you reflected on so far?
1758734;1514317293;seefelder;only locally stored ... i am maybe paranoid
1758735;1514317303;BingoBoingo;!!down seefelder
1758736;1514317336;diana_coman;the dangerous reflections, who knew
1758737;1514317341;phf;would that be considered "a coy behavior"?
1758738;1514317356;BingoBoingo;Well, too coy for 2017
1758739;1514317369;mircea_popescu;phf it is, isn't it ?
1758740;1514317394;mircea_popescu;"avoidant" as per teh "attachment theory" nonsense that pantsuit "public policy" rests upon
1758741;1514317414;diana_coman;seefelder, better install and play eulora, it might give you something to say at least; see http://logs.minigame.bz/
1758742;1514317605;BingoBoingo;At the rate things are moving by mid 2018, the demand for openess to get a lend of voice is likely going to be self performed rectal ultrasound on mfc while reading logs
1758743;1514317698;mircea_popescu;more practically, voice will be acquired via introduction by lord, ie, court presentation.
1758744;1514317708;mircea_popescu;go make yer castles today, so noobs have a shot at life in 2018
1758745;1514317866;BingoBoingo;Ah the lols to come from venue shopping n00bs
1758746;1514317898;mircea_popescu;why so hostile anyway bb ?
1758747;1514317920;BingoBoingo;Fireworks withdrawal
1758748;1514318061;BingoBoingo;One doesn not see the city in the splendid glow of burning metal salts in the sky without missing them.
1758749;1514318168;mircea_popescu;lel
1758750;1514318289;BingoBoingo;There's chicas everywhere so if that fell through no big deal... The concerted effort put for by the locals on the Latino Christmas show, I lack the patience and means to make that happen on a whim.
1758751;1514319765;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758742   <<< Implying I don't already do this .....
1758752;1514319765;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 19:46 BingoBoingo: At the rate things are moving by mid 2018, the demand for openess to get a lend of voice is likely going to be self performed rectal ultrasound on mfc while reading logs
1758753;1514320145;*;mircea_popescu just dumped a whole sack of coal on teh grill, teh girls happily cleanning up a grosse of pleurotus... if anyone needs me ima be at teh rancho bbqing.
1758754;1514320235;ben_vulpes;!!up borstal
1758755;1514320235;deedbot;borstal voiced for 30 minutes.
1758756;1514320265;ben_vulpes;it's still 2017, borstal, what do you have to show for how you've lived your life?
1758757;1514320290;borstal;Right Banks, you bastard! I'm the daddy now, next time, I'll fucking kill ya!
1758758;1514320300;*;shinohai sighs
1758759;1514320330;mod6;TMSR~: mod6.net is back up.  Thanks.
1758760;1514320463;ben_vulpes;borstal: that's it?
1758761;1514320555;borstal;1
1758762;1514320612;borstal;true (boolean)
1758763;1514320619;diana_coman;!!down borstal
1758764;1514320644;ben_vulpes;where's your holiday spirit, diana_coman
1758765;1514320696;diana_coman;ben_vulpes, he started sounding too much like mpi-insane
1758766;1514320790;ben_vulpes;#define true false
1758767;1514320815;diana_coman;ahahaha, would fit perfectly, yes
1758768;1514320897;mod6;:D
1758769;1514322896;shinohai;This is hilarious on thepiratebay website, on the donation footer says: "Bcash: LOL"
1758770;1514323374;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758679 << to my mind this suggests the hashes present in vpatch blocks are wrong. if they were rather the hash of the entire concatenation of the diffed item before and after applying that block, there'd be no need to pointlessly edit files to continue on the same branch.
1758771;1514323374;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 17:52 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758614 << consider a genesis, a and b patchset where a and b don't touch the same files. if i press to b, write a c that descends from b, it will not have a as an antecedent. when you say "modify the filebase into the shape that you want it to be", do you mean include the changes of a in the c patch?
1758772;1514323491;trinque;further, pointless edits are antithetical to v-tronics
1758773;1514323501;trinque;"whole patch must be meaningful"
1758774;1514323651;ben_vulpes;it may be that tracking hashes at the file level isn't the right thing, because with vdiff as implemented i can trivially generate a vpatch b while working from a press of a that nevertheless still only depends on genesis if a leaves files untouched and b touches those untouched files only
1758775;1514323753;diana_coman;I ran a bit into that with eucrypt but I can't say I have some clear idea what would be a good solution there as it seems to me it's a matter of level considered i.e. file, folder, component, whole project, what
1758776;1514323856;mircea_popescu;trinque this is actually not altogether a meritless point.
1758777;1514323889;ben_vulpes;so far the solutions i see are a) mircea_popescu's "what tree, all patches must descend linearly or be reground into linearity" 2) allow for pressing heads that do not touch the same files
1758778;1514323897;diana_coman;onth "meaningful" there doesn't refer to code only and if new code in new files depends on existing code in untouched existing files, it may be meaningful nevertheless to update the readme file of the project for instance to say as much
1758779;1514323910;mircea_popescu;imo "tree" MUST be linear.
1758780;1514323940;mircea_popescu;then if it is, trinque's point goes away because well... file hash as good as project hash for the linear bat.
1758781;1514324197;ben_vulpes;this still leaves me in the pickle of producing a vpatch from a press to a that won't actually descend linearly from a without touching a file, and adding "this line necessary to ensure this vpatch descends from a and not genesis"
1758782;1514324271;phf;fwiw later approach has been a sop so far
1758783;1514324354;ben_vulpes;phf: which vpatch does this show up in?
1758784;1514324405;phf;ben_vulpes: official trb releases touch many files to tie them all into a single endpoint, e.g. `makefile' did that
1758785;1514324443;ben_vulpes;aha k
1758786;1514324454;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles#L390 etc.
1758787;1514324459;shinohai;Just in time for the holidaaaaaaaaaaays fake bitcoin returns
1758788;1514324463;shinohai;http://archive.is/RCrU9
1758789;1514324556;ben_vulpes;phf: this exposes another problem: in ideal vtronics it is an illegal operation to press to multiple leaves at the same tree level, which is the only way to have a codebase against which to create a makefiles-type patch that ties multiple patches together
1758790;1514324557;phf;we also at some point had a thread, where i believe ascii but also others were leaning towards the idea of a single file vpatches (i.e. that a vpatch should only ever contain hunks for a single file). i'm starting to think that multi-file solutions in general are a hack ("we can't fit the entire compilation in memory"), but then i've been looking at TeX on one hand, and the "millions of support files" in diff/patch on the other
1758791;1514324688;ben_vulpes;also, single-file vpatches drives the system towards whole sourcetree hashing, otherwise they'll definitionally never depend on one another
1758792;1514324698;phf;right
1758793;1514324724;danielpbarron;!!balance
1758794;1514324730;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zdK8x/?raw=true
1758795;1514325053;phf;i've also played around with treating vpatch as a container. there's a function on btcbase for splitting all of the vpatches into separate objects, that each hold a single file changes (it's called something like explode-vpatch)
1758796;1514325115;phf;in which case your graph connections become mandatory transitions (rather than what it is now, where you can technically press two different vpatches against a non-overlapping sets of files)
1758797;1514325141;phf;i don't remember if there was any kind of interesting insight from the resulting graph, i should revisit it..
1758798;1514325348;trinque;danielpbarron: your boy MTW all set?
1758799;1514325706;danielpbarron;i think so, but it'd be nice to get a confirmation from him in here
1758800;1514325769;danielpbarron;relatedly, l0de expressed interest in running a "trilema infomercial" on his show. I told him he should bring it up in here, as i'm not sure what that should entail
1758801;1514325930;danielpbarron;!!up l0de
1758802;1514325931;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1758803;1514325941;danielpbarron;reg a key and you'll be able to voice yourself
1758804;1514325944;l0de;Yes hello, l0de here
1758805;1514325950;l0de;the funds have been remitted to my account
1758806;1514325952;l0de;all is well
1758807;1514325961;danielpbarron;sweet
1758808;1514325973;l0de;I suggest the most serene republic air some sort of introductory statement
1758809;1514325983;l0de;to get viewers of my show interested in their political goals
1758810;1514326183;danielpbarron;would that be a pre-recorded audio clip/ video that we provide?
1758811;1514326498;l0de;Or you can have someone call in to read a statement
1758812;1514326532;l0de;I would stress that my audience doesn't take anything seriously unless it's presented in a humorous context or it is presented as ruining someone's shit
1758813;1514326552;l0de;as they are internet neer-do-wells
1758814;1514326674;danielpbarron;perhaps we can get one of shinohai's cam whores to do it
1758815;1514326760;shinohai;Assuming I can find one that speaks English nowadays ..... xD
1758816;1514326809;l0de;oh yeah, video chat with a cam whore would work perfectly
1758817;1514326819;l0de;no nudity though, youtube is run by craven puritans
1758818;1514326876;l0de;someone with a thick romanian\cambodian accent reading a statement they obviously do not understand
1758819;1514326930;danielpbarron;wasn't indiancandy/sofiababy looking for a way to make bitcoin?
1758820;1514326972;l0de;already lolling
1758821;1514326975;trinque;oh god.
1758822;1514327053;trinque;literatits only pls
1758823;1514327162;trinque;shinohai, you are the baron titsbare himself; got any camhos that can read?
1758824;1514327219;shinohai;hmmm danielpbarron .... sofiababy may be good choice (though not one of my stable)
1758825;1514327935;shinohai;!!up l0de
1758826;1514327935;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1758827;1514328113;l0de;big up yourself
1758828;1514328121;l0de;booyakasha
1758829;1514328643;phf;in unrelated lulz, knuth shares mp approach to discipline:
1758830;1514328645;phf;If you have only the present report, not a tape, you will have to prepare files WEAVE.WEB and TANGLE.WEB by hand, typing them into the computer by following Appendices D and E. Then you have to simulate the behavior of TANGLE by converting TANGLE.WEB manually into TANGLE.PAS ; with a good text editor this takes about six hours.
1758831;1514329161;mircea_popescu;phf word.
1758832;1514329278;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758784 << true.
1758833;1514329278;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:40 phf: ben_vulpes: official trb releases touch many files to tie them all into a single endpoint, e.g. `makefile' did that
1758834;1514329373;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758790 << especially in the light of 1. move/rename 2. edit double-patch method this seems more and more like the right thing ; but then again what to do of regrinds ? regrind should ideally be "one patch out of many"
1758835;1514329373;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:42 phf: we also at some point had a thread, where i believe ascii but also others were leaning towards the idea of a single file vpatches (i.e. that a vpatch should only ever contain hunks for a single file). i'm starting to think that multi-file solutions in general are a hack ("we can't fit the entire compilation in memory"), but then i've been looking at TeX on one hand, and the "millions of support files" in diff/patch on the other
1758836;1514329446;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758800 << this was re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758556
1758837;1514329446;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 22:02 danielpbarron: relatedly, l0de expressed interest in running a "trilema infomercial" on his show. I told him he should bring it up in here, as i'm not sure what that should entail
1758838;1514329446;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 19:34 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758548 anyone got any ideas of how to meaningfully support the SW hobbist ?
1758839;1514329472;mircea_popescu;my original thought was "can we do something like the tits drip but for sw enthusiasts instead ?" ; alf pointed out thatr well, carrierless issue.
1758840;1514329482;mircea_popescu;if anyone's got an idea of how to construct the item though i'd much like to hear.
1758841;1514329500;mircea_popescu;basically something like "do x, get y" with a well chosen x.
1758842;1514329529;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758811 << how's danielpbarron 's radio voice ?
1758843;1514329529;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 22:14 l0de: Or you can have someone call in to read a statement
1758844;1514329550;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758815 << do it in castellan, maximum lulz.
1758845;1514329550;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 22:19 shinohai: Assuming I can find one that speaks English nowadays ..... xD
1758846;1514329598;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758819 << she kinda got sent off for NOT being looking dedicatedly enough ; then she got pissy because i imagine in her dumb head she had self-delusions as to self-importance as dear as they were baseless.
1758847;1514329598;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 22:22 danielpbarron: wasn't indiancandy/sofiababy looking for a way to make bitcoin?
1758848;1514329631;mircea_popescu;if we had a chinese girl that'd work, except, of course...
1758849;1514330041;shinohai;Yeah sofiababy left in huff, just noticed she had pm'd me to find her on skype but cba with that.
1758850;1514332736;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758841 << the real mega-puzzler is , what if anything are they capable of that is of any use whatsoever.
1758851;1514332736;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 23:05 mircea_popescu: basically something like "do x, get y" with a well chosen x.
1758852;1514332741;asciilifeform;currently i know of nothing.
1758853;1514332863;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758839 << asciilifeform did a bit of survey of the sw spectrum ( where he lives , but also elsewhere, via helpful public toilet ip-streamed receivers. ) plenty of digital ???? in'ere. incl. in places where none 'ought', Officially, to be. but 1) could just as easily be usg 2) it's all, definitionally, carriered signal, or asciilifeform would never have learned of it
1758854;1514332863;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 23:04 mircea_popescu: my original thought was "can we do something like the tits drip but for sw enthusiasts instead ?" ; alf pointed out thatr well, carrierless issue.
1758855;1514332889;asciilifeform;but observation is that plenty of folx are, i suspect, already 'pirating'
1758856;1514332911;asciilifeform;the usg polizei prioritize the voice pirates, because they compete directly with the usg 'music' monopoly
1758857;1514332938;asciilifeform;the problem with voice pirates, any and all who have ever at any point lived, is that they are reddit.
1758858;1514332973;asciilifeform;i suspect that not 1 could follow, e.g., the apeloyee noise floor thread.
1758859;1514332986;asciilifeform;or even suspect why he oughta.
1758860;1514333120;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758834 << it is not clear to me why the current scheme ( leaving aside the idiocies of unix diff/patch, in particular the file moves thing ) is not satisfactory. i dun subscribe to the 'force beauty through mechanism' school of thought. it is the job of the patch author to make it behave acceptably in the target vtree, ~before~ releasing. and failures are of the author, not of the mechanicals.
1758861;1514333120;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 23:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758790 << especially in the light of 1. move/rename 2. edit double-patch method this seems more and more like the right thing ; but then again what to do of regrinds ? regrind should ideally be "one patch out of many"
1758862;1514333151;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758809 << i gotta ask : why ?
1758863;1514333151;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 22:06 l0de: to get viewers of my show interested in their political goals
1758864;1514333191;asciilifeform;let's say every homo redditus alive -- suddenly interested. then WHAT? what's gained, other than a great mass of meat that now gotta be put somewhere far from the reactor rods
1758865;1514333312;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758788 >> 'The founder also promised that in addition to the common practice of crediting BTC holders with equivalent balances of the new coin (B2X), they would also receive “a proportional number of Satoshi Nakamoto’s Bitcoins as a reward for their commitment to progress.”' << lol!!
1758866;1514333312;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:41 shinohai: http://archive.is/RCrU9
1758867;1514333353;shinohai;Socialism at it's finest right here.
1758868;1514333491;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758789 << ben_vulpes if you look at phf's patch tree graphical viewer, you will realize how asciilifeform solved this problem
1758869;1514333491;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:42 ben_vulpes: phf: this exposes another problem: in ideal vtronics it is an illegal operation to press to multiple leaves at the same tree level, which is the only way to have a codebase against which to create a makefiles-type patch that ties multiple patches together
1758870;1514333530;asciilifeform;( it was , naturally, by having , at least in the early history, the tree from which each of the 'sibling' patches was produced, on account of having produced'em ) .
1758871;1514333548;asciilifeform;but you can replicate same effect by pressing by the press rules, and then copying by hand.
1758872;1514333598;asciilifeform;which, in the whole picture, does not come close to topping the list of the hardest labours of a trb experimenter
1758873;1514333657;asciilifeform;a v user is expected to do ~almost all~ of his manipulations, via manual file management.
1758874;1514333762;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758781 << this only oughta be done in 2 situations -- 'releases' , as discussed by mod6 et al ; and to avoid fuckuppy as seen in orig shiva patch, where there was a logical dependence , but not a vtronic one , b/w shiva-part1 and -part2
1758875;1514333762;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:36 ben_vulpes: this still leaves me in the pickle of producing a vpatch from a press to a that won't actually descend linearly from a without touching a file, and adding "this line necessary to ensure this vpatch descends from a and not genesis"
1758876;1514333846;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758790 << this'd eat away substantially at the human-readability of the vpatch. which imho is a key property.
1758877;1514333846;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:42 phf: we also at some point had a thread, where i believe ascii but also others were leaning towards the idea of a single file vpatches (i.e. that a vpatch should only ever contain hunks for a single file). i'm starting to think that multi-file solutions in general are a hack ("we can't fit the entire compilation in memory"), but then i've been looking at TeX on one hand, and the "millions of support files" in diff/patch on the other
1758878;1514333915;asciilifeform;i should not need to look for a meta-document (with own sig, presumably) to know which group of patchons constitutes e.g. 'asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing' .
1758879;1514333966;asciilifeform;i would like everybody who is itching to change the way v fundamentally works, to sit down and think about why we ain't using 'git' etc.
1758880;1514334069;asciilifeform;every time think of a possible change : think, does this take it in the direction of heathendom ? can it still make a patch like http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks , where it is hammer-in-your-face-obvious to the reader that every single fucking line does ?
1758881;1514334134;asciilifeform;and how big will be the vtron ? mine was <400 lines. imho this is worth something. and every feature added, comes at a cost.
1758882;1514334166;asciilifeform;*what every
1758883;1514334238;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758779 << i see e.g. trb tree, as the frayed end of a rope. in long term, observe, the loose ends that dun get built on -- fade away, like orphan chains. btc is actually more or less same kind of system. but iirc we had this thread.
1758884;1514334238;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:31 mircea_popescu: imo "tree" MUST be linear.
1758885;1514334302;asciilifeform;( i.e. it is already inescapably linear. asciilifeform half-expected that the kakoschism would produce a long-playing split of the trb universe, but neverhappened. not every possible thing, happens... )
1758886;1514334388;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758770 << this is not unlike poking out one of your eyes to save on eyeglasses cost.
1758887;1514334388;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:22 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758679 << to my mind this suggests the hashes present in vpatch blocks are wrong. if they were rather the hash of the entire concatenation of the diffed item before and after applying that block, there'd be no need to pointlessly edit files to continue on the same branch.
1758888;1514334415;asciilifeform;i ~like~ that it is clear what parts of a whole were changed, and what -- left alone.
1758889;1514334459;asciilifeform;what is with this eagerness to pointlessly blunt the knife. i dunget it !
1758890;1514334487;MTW;back
1758891;1514334492;MTW;[16:55:48]  <+trinque>	danielpbarron: your boy MTW all set?
1758892;1514334493;MTW;yep
1758893;1514334500;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ( trinque ? ) what ~concrete~ operation on trb tree did v-as-it-nao-exists keep you from easily carrying out ? i'd like to see ?
1758894;1514334537;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758753 << i misread : 'platypus'. wouldn't be surprised...
1758895;1514334537;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 20:29 mircea_popescu just dumped a whole sack of coal on teh grill, teh girls happily cleanning up a grosse of pleurotus... if anyone needs me ima be at teh rancho bbqing.
1758896;1514334580;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758743 << this historically worked CONSIDERABLY better than 'let's throw the reddit toilet into reverse gear and see what crawls out of the pipe'
1758897;1514334580;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 19:48 mircea_popescu: more practically, voice will be acquired via introduction by lord, ie, court presentation.
1758898;1514334719;asciilifeform;in other noose, zoolag with 'aggression' : walked from 484621 to 495973 in ~60 hrs.
1758899;1514334770;asciilifeform;which is roughly 4x the typical ( thing's been floundering since late august ) rate.
1758900;1514334813;asciilifeform;in other arcana, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18448 .
1758901;1514334852;asciilifeform;^ can anybody suggest a working variant ?
1758902;1514334981;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758681 << if there existed anything like a market in (reasonably recent) miners -- they'd already be installed at the plant, in place of those gigantic resistors . ( and iirc there was a mircea_popescu thread, involving e.g. fish ponds )
1758903;1514334981;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 18:15 ben_vulpes: and in other profitable mining strategies: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/25/business/energy-environment/germany-electricity-negative-prices.html
1758904;1514335056;*;asciilifeform finally ate l0g.
1758905;1514335461;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758859 << gotta get SOME filtering process in place though
1758906;1514335461;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 00:03 asciilifeform: or even suspect why he oughta.
1758907;1514335508;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758864 << you engage in a category error. you don't know what's in the box BEFORE opening the box.
1758908;1514335508;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 00:06 asciilifeform: let's say every homo redditus alive -- suddenly interested. then WHAT? what's gained, other than a great mass of meat that now gotta be put somewhere far from the reactor rods
1758909;1514335609;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758883 << sure. in the sense blockchain is frayed rope, this also.
1758910;1514335609;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 00:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758779 << i see e.g. trb tree, as the frayed end of a rope. in long term, observe, the loose ends that dun get built on -- fade away, like orphan chains. btc is actually more or less same kind of system. but iirc we had this thread.
1758911;1514335685;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758894 << portobello not pleurotus anyway.
1758912;1514335685;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 00:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758753 << i misread : 'platypus'. wouldn't be surprised...
1758913;1514335794;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758901 << what's the problem with a "wasted" FZ anyway
1758914;1514335794;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 00:34 asciilifeform: ^ can anybody suggest a working variant ?
1758915;1514335897;mircea_popescu;anyway, maybe the correct approach re the l0de thing would be something like a simulcast interview. you do interviews l0de ?
1758916;1514335909;mircea_popescu;!!up l0de
1758917;1514335909;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1758918;1514335916;mircea_popescu;!!key l0de
1758919;1514335917;deedbot;Not registered.
1758920;1514335935;mircea_popescu;if you register a key you can self-voice don't have to keep doing this voicing thing
1758921;1514336516;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1758922;1514336520;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15627.96, vol: 14963.98271799 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15685.0, vol: 64040.84715043 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15811.4, vol: 3687.11992386 | Volume-weighted last average: 15680.3140104
1758923;1514336706;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758819 << she kinda got sent off for NOT being looking dedicatedly enough ; then she got pissy because i imagine in her dumb head she had self-delusions as to self-importance as dear as they were baseless. << Ah, gets BTC once returns years later and has less sense and more ideas
1758924;1514336706;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 22:22 danielpbarron: wasn't indiancandy/sofiababy looking for a way to make bitcoin?
1758925;1514336739;mircea_popescu;a sense of confort, the common woman's mindeater.
1758926;1514336796;BingoBoingo;Hence the spankings and vacuum cleaner tube
1758927;1514336891;BingoBoingo;Anyways thinking on the noob roughing up earlier, could be a side effect of tranquility overdose. Gotta torture betas.
1758928;1514336911;mircea_popescu;take it ezzy.
1758929;1514336937;BingoBoingo;as per http://trilema.com/2016/a-complete-theory-of-politics/
1758930;1514337025;BingoBoingo;But will see what esta semana brings
1758931;1514337214;BingoBoingo;Will probably start upping the blog frequency to let some more vemon out
1758932;1514337825;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ftr, .6 out of 1.3 is more like 45^
1758933;1514337864;BingoBoingo;Ah, I did the math the other way, Gracias
1758934;1514337941;mircea_popescu;anyway, personally launched lb+ "polvoras" ie fireworks here.
1758935;1514337949;mircea_popescu;damned thing was the size of a god damned depth charge
1758936;1514337958;mircea_popescu;20bux in the chinoshop
1758937;1514338418;BingoBoingo;Nice
1758938;1514338456;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758907 << the reason engineering is even possible , is that it is not necessary to open ~every~ box. sometimes can form quite accurate picture without spending whole life opening boxes, eating every rotten egg top to bottom etc
1758939;1514338456;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 00:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758864 << you engage in a category error. you don't know what's in the box BEFORE opening the box.
1758940;1514338536;BingoBoingo;Eh, give it 10 years and everything Republican will be inconel while the last USG trinkets come in Chinese potmetal
1758941;1514338557;BingoBoingo;Makes engineering physical things easier
1758942;1514338621;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758913 << it's not the wasted 8kbit or whatnot ( though on e.g. fpga, that's real waste that you can take to the bank...) but the ~ugliness~
1758943;1514338621;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 00:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758901 << what's the problem with a "wasted" FZ anyway
1758944;1514338669;asciilifeform;ffa is, among other things, an experiment with minimizing theugly.
1758945;1514338895;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758909 << if vtronic software is the same frayed rope, no one can ever modularize within the same v-tree. this may be a feature.
1758946;1514338895;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 00:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758883 << sure. in the sense blockchain is frayed rope, this also.
1758947;1514338947;trinque;it again runs into the unix idiocy of "file", though, because file does sometimes mean module, sometimes means subcomponent of module.
1758948;1514339078;trinque;in either case, what does asciilifeform think of the ritual of "add comment to unrelated file to merge paths", not symptomatic of a problem?
1758949;1514339107;asciilifeform;trinque: i actually put a good bit of thought into the vtronic shape of ffa, while rewriting it ( current-day ffa , observe, is a rewrite, largely by hand, of the previous )
1758950;1514339164;asciilifeform;trinque: it is only a problem if people do it unthinkingly, without understanding when to, when not to, and why
1758951;1514339165;trinque;answer could be "trb was fucked from birth, let us not allow backflow into V"
1758952;1514339172;asciilifeform;^
1758953;1514339211;trinque;so then, when things get so modular that you have frayed rope, author makes clean separation, as V has told him he has distinct items.
1758954;1514339250;asciilifeform;shiva series was imho great example of 'coarse error in pilotage' re this thread
1758955;1514339290;*;trinque notes that this comes up within days of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756072
1758956;1514339290;a111;Logged on 2017-12-21 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
1758957;1514339297;asciilifeform;asciilifeform introduced the schemetron 1st, and only 2nd the glue in trb, and they were not automagically v-linked
1758958;1514339327;asciilifeform;that was a case when 'put in a comment to align vtronics and semantics' would have been The Right Thing
1758959;1514339364;trinque;what is the meaning of the hashes in a vpatch?
1758960;1514339392;trinque;should someone pressing think he has a coherent whole after pressing any patch? if not why?
1758961;1514339418;asciilifeform;vpatch is meaningless without its ancestry
1758962;1514339422;asciilifeform;down to genesis.
1758963;1514339507;asciilifeform;and yes every patch oughta stand as a leaf, pressable to .
1758964;1514339561;asciilifeform;hence 'coarse error of pilotage' in re shiva
1758965;1514339576;trinque;only way to make a 3rd improvement rely on two distinct improvements in past is to put cruft in both.
1758966;1514339581;asciilifeform;( btw is there an engl. equiv of that term ? i'd like to learn it )
1758967;1514339591;trinque;if not http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758770
1758968;1514339591;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 21:22 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758679 << to my mind this suggests the hashes present in vpatch blocks are wrong. if they were rather the hash of the entire concatenation of the diffed item before and after applying that block, there'd be no need to pointlessly edit files to continue on the same branch.
1758969;1514339637;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd go as far as to say that what you're observing is a defect in cpp, not v.
1758970;1514339653;trinque;to my mind the hash is currently putting too narrow a constraint on the context within which the current patch is to be applied, where we could broaden the context at no detrimental, and possibly beneficial cost
1758971;1514339657;asciilifeform;semantic linkage in prog lang oughta align with v. not vice versa.
1758972;1514339660;trinque;asciilifeform: is possible, but deserves to be in the logs
1758973;1514339699;asciilifeform;trinque: if you have concrete algo to align these -- i'm all ears
1758974;1514339904;asciilifeform;i'd like to encourage trinque to put some of his 'crackpot' algos 'to paper', as articles. the hypertext thing was interesting imho, for instance, and so was earlier trinque pill for 'mining is a bug', and possibly other occasions. dun be afraid to write down conjectures, trinque , gauss did
1758975;1514339983;*;trinque tends many fires, but knows he owes a few posts
1758976;1514339993;asciilifeform;and especially this one, v that understands entity introductions / uses, semantic linkage aligned with v-flow ... i'd like to see it
1758977;1514340110;asciilifeform;picture a kind of 'multiverse ada', where you dun call foo(bar), but instead foo:somepatchid(bar:somepatchid) etc, explicitly conforming to 'multiversism'...
1758978;1514340189;asciilifeform;or, on other end of the possible, a vtron that somehow understands that a call of foo necessarily depends on the patch that birthed foo... and requires disambiguation only if >1 foo exists in the tree
1758979;1514340210;asciilifeform;but this is reaching into the fantastic.
1758980;1514340278;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754425 << worth linking again.
1758981;1514340278;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 18:04 asciilifeform: we actually had the ast-diff thread, re phf's lisp diff lament.
1758982;1514340290;asciilifeform;aha, pertains
1758983;1514340291;*;trinque will put some pen to paper this evening
1758984;1514340312;*;asciilifeform much looks forward to reading 
1758985;1514342787;shinohai;From the twatter lulz mines: http://archive.is/vE3ud
1758986;1514345905;mircea_popescu;lmao fucktard. a) the "pirate party" scam utterly fucking failed, how about addressing THAT ; b) kinda hard to have anyone ditch an empty ship, huh.
1758987;1514345945;mircea_popescu;"hey, aren't you worried your shitcoin will get altcoin'd in the near future ?" "no, i am dog and i don't understand anything. vote me!"
1758988;1514345999;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758945 << explain what modularize means here ?
1758989;1514345999;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 01:41 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758909 << if vtronic software is the same frayed rope, no one can ever modularize within the same v-tree. this may be a feature.
1758990;1514346057;trinque;means for example that db-interaction routines are in one file, network interactions in another.
1758991;1514346092;mircea_popescu;and how can one not modularize ?
1758992;1514346178;trinque;cannot without the 'add comment to files you needed' ritual
1758993;1514346196;trinque;I'm actually writing right now on how the hypertext thing relates
1758994;1514346201;mircea_popescu;let me put it this way, maybe resolves problem : v unpermits a specific kind of hack within the purview of this discussion, wherein one tries to design after the fact. correctly designed items will have the larger bits (by footprint) earlier in the patch tree ; and fray out correctly. github-style nonsensica commonly attempts to discover that "hey, this johnny come lately item should have been an evie-comes-early MODULE, let'
1758995;1514346201;mircea_popescu;s hack it backwards in time".
1758996;1514346229;mircea_popescu;v doesn't permit this backwards in time ; and if you run in this situation where johnny needs an experts' sex change to become evvie, it's high fucking time you hand-rewrote your whole steaming pile of crap.
1758997;1514346245;mircea_popescu;now, is this enforcement a problem with v, is the proposition ? or is the aforegoing a misrepresentation of the discussion ?
1758998;1514346318;trinque;this is what I meant actually, by "can't modularize" within same walk of the v tree
1758999;1514346346;trinque;trb's database interactions are properly in a filesystem-implementing walk of graph of human knowledge
1759000;1514346359;mircea_popescu;well, i am kind of a fan of the whole "v doesn't permit you to lie to yourself about having supposedly designed what's utterly an ad-hoc item".
1759001;1514346366;trinque;network in a generic gossipd press path
1759002;1514346388;mircea_popescu;ie it takes a major regrind ?
1759003;1514346397;trinque;in that these are distinct items.
1759004;1514346405;trinque;these aren't "trb" except in shitworld
1759005;1514346410;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong either in principle or in practice with making a correct item as the genesis and then patching in various parts of trb.
1759006;1514346417;mircea_popescu;it's after all what diana_coman is doing for eulora.
1759007;1514346441;mircea_popescu;ie, i don't expect the trb cut as described to have a trb genesis necessariyl, or even probably.
1759008;1514346536;asciilifeform;if it dun have a trb genesis, proving to proverbial martian that it really does have classical 0.5.3 pedigree, goes from trivial to monumentallypainful
1759009;1514346541;trinque;anyhow lemme run at it again. you can't modularize because you have to fake work in a disparate part of the tree to merge
1759010;1514346543;mircea_popescu;so for instance, "genesis a proper db ; then patch in three different branches for the three different types of node envisaged" doesn't seem on the face problematic.
1759011;1514346559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i intend to prove no such thing to no such martian.
1759012;1514346579;asciilifeform;then why v at all
1759013;1514346597;mircea_popescu;under the authority of the republic ; not trying to enact selves out of the well threadbare wizard cloak of satoshi.
1759014;1514346600;trinque;asciilifeform: as a carving tool for the graph of knowledge
1759015;1514346609;trinque;doesn't mean you don't wholly remove sections and replace
1759016;1514346632;mircea_popescu;whosoever deeply cares about the historically irrelevant accident of windows-bitcoin-0.1 is more than welcome to diff his own sources of that against tmsr-bitcoin
1759017;1514346665;trinque;proper hypertext system (itself based upon v) provides the talmud commentary thing endlessly
1759018;1514346709;mircea_popescu;relevancy is dearly bought ; man wanted to still be in the genesis of 2017, man should have made proper db calls, proper logs, etc.
1759019;1514346726;mircea_popescu;man did not bother, which can only be rendered as "man told us in no uncertain terms to fuck off", well... the sentiment is mutual.
1759020;1514346768;mircea_popescu;there's no difference i can observe between indiancandy scratching at the door and satoshi scratching at the door. there's a way to get in -- getting in "on their own terms" is not on the table at all.
1759021;1514346818;mircea_popescu;as history ended up unfurling, "let's truncate hash to 10 chars or 20 chars depending" takes one from 2009 to some portion of 2018. better than nothing ; much less than could have been had, if only.
1759022;1514346826;mircea_popescu;a lesson for all future minds in there.
1759023;1514346840;trinque;back briefly on the frayed rope, what's harmful about naming an antecedent that you didn't edit, but require
1759024;1514346843;mircea_popescu;specifically "do a good job in preference of a bad job, last longer".
1759025;1514346854;mircea_popescu;trinque do you sign it ?
1759026;1514346895;trinque;sure, in the vpatch would be "I require this list of antecedent items, subset S of which I intend to change thus"
1759027;1514346908;mircea_popescu;if you signed it, then you read it. what matters what you edited ? moar of the same http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746388
1759028;1514346908;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 13:27 mircea_popescu: no but see, we use different terminology. i do not assign anything to "code written". the source of code, to my eyes, is he in the wot who has read it.
1759029;1514346974;trinque;right, so if we could do this, name unchanged antecedents that are required, could merge A's log patch and B's db patch in C's subsequent patch without having to manually edit A's or B's
1759030;1514346991;trinque;takes what constitutes context for the patch and puts it in the hand of the operator
1759031;1514347001;mircea_popescu;in preference of regrinding the item ?
1759032;1514347019;trinque;I don't see that regrinding solves it
1759033;1514347026;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1759034;1514347073;trinque;current V requires that a file actually got edited to be an antecedent, but C editing B's work does not mean he's discarding A's, and A regrinding his patch means editing something edited in C to get in
1759035;1514347082;trinque;because the hashes are hashes of touched files
1759036;1514347116;mircea_popescu;let's make a working model here.
1759037;1514347149;mircea_popescu;so suppose lord X makes tree A : A1->A2->A3->A4 are patches, delivering some kind of utility we don't care to specify.
1759038;1514347177;mircea_popescu;now suppose lord Y comes along, and similarily makes B : B1->B2->B3->B4.
1759039;1514347215;mircea_popescu;then along comes lord Z, and this lord Z observes that if he used B3 and instead of B4 installed C4 on the same top, he'd get a wholly different but entirely useful to him item. so he makes this.
1759040;1514347257;mircea_popescu;at this moment, if lord K observes that he could use the tree of X up to A2 and the tree of Y up to A3 ~together~ he could install D4 on this pile and similarily to Z produce a different still useful item.
1759041;1514347270;mircea_popescu;toghether so far ?
1759042;1514347285;trinque;following.
1759043;1514347331;trinque;how did he do that merge?
1759044;1514347335;mircea_popescu;now, the v doctrine as it stands right now, both on logs and actual precedent, at least as far as i understand it (but this is vacuous both as a representation and as a history, as most important questions haven't yet been seriously tested) -- is that Z is right to simply sign a patch on B-genesis ;
1759045;1514347341;trinque;I assume you mean A2 and B3
1759046;1514347359;mircea_popescu;whereas K would be wrong to attempt same, and instead should regrind a whole new genesis, call it D, even if it is made up of the reunion of the As and Bs he uses.
1759047;1514347374;mircea_popescu;is this contentious ?
1759048;1514347379;trinque;why prefer this to being capable to merge?
1759049;1514347396;mircea_popescu;the burden where it belongs -- why permit merges ?
1759050;1514347435;mircea_popescu;what i mean by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758994 is specifically that i suspect the ONLY reason one might wish to merge is that one failed to design the item he's hacking.
1759051;1514347435;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 03:43 mircea_popescu: let me put it this way, maybe resolves problem : v unpermits a specific kind of hack within the purview of this discussion, wherein one tries to design after the fact. correctly designed items will have the larger bits (by footprint) earlier in the patch tree ; and fray out correctly. github-style nonsensica commonly attempts to discover that "hey, this johnny come lately item should have been an evie-comes-early MODULE, let'
1759052;1514347444;mircea_popescu;is there a different reason ?
1759053;1514347445;trinque;hm. I may be learning something here, so bear with me.
1759054;1514347503;trinque;as I cannot put a definition to merge that is not "destroyed vertex on this graph, because it was by my lights wrong, and created a new one"
1759055;1514347511;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759045 << correct, misspelled.
1759056;1514347511;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 04:02 trinque: I assume you mean A2 and B3
1759057;1514347530;mircea_popescu;trinque which is a valid thing to do, but NOT if one wishes to at the same timeeschew regrinding/genesising
1759058;1514347531;mircea_popescu;because why.
1759059;1514348069;mircea_popescu;and in unrelated lets-suck-our-own-cocks-we-utterly-deserve-it : consider that the whole l0de thing started because someone from here checked out a SPAMMED item. the fuctard/pantsuit "engineers" in name only in EVERY OTHER fucking channel ~think~ themselves all open-minded and intelligent and whatever, yet i can make a very obviously correct and banal prediction - they wouldn't have followed it, nor in any case escalated and
1759060;1514348069;mircea_popescu;so on. because "it's spam" and that means "it shouldn't be read" and they actually have a consensus on this, which they idiotically but universally misrepresent as somehow different from any other cultish behaviour, such as believing "racism" or "global warming" or "witchcraft" are things.
1759061;1514348091;mircea_popescu;somehow the voice model makes spam such a rarity in #trilema, people actually have the mental vigour to evaluate it!
1759062;1514348140;trinque;specifically what people have been doing when "regrinding" is adding comments to unrelated files and thus including their patch in the tree.
1759063;1514348142;mircea_popescu;whereas the pantsuit psychotic cleaving, where ~some kinds~ of spam are spam (ostensibly because they came from russian hackers as per their bayesian filters ?) whereas some other kinds of spam magicaloly "aren't spam" somehow, because pravda said it, or some "transgender" schmuck said it, or whatever.
1759064;1514348191;mircea_popescu;trinque there's an ambiguity here i'm possibly responsible for though not intended : to "regrind", ie to take a pile of patches and make them into one single patch ; as opposed to re-genesis, which is what happened with eg mpi.
1759065;1514348507;trinque;that is what I mean by a merge, and has the same result.
1759066;1514348518;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758965 << this is exactly what's discussed in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758702 : only way to recover code in a heretic patch (ie, one you're not pressing upon) is to literally lift it and include it.
1759067;1514348518;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 01:52 trinque: only way to make a 3rd improvement rely on two distinct improvements in past is to put cruft in both.
1759068;1514348518;a111;Logged on 2017-12-26 18:26 mircea_popescu: so as the reconciler, you get to pick which of ~either~ a ~or~ b  to count in your considered oppinion as the republican and which as the heretic.
1759069;1514348572;mircea_popescu;if the patch tree goes a1->a2->a3/a3` your position is now to choose which of a3 or a3` counts, and which doesn't count. the discarded one may be scavenged for useful content, but it will never be a proper patch.
1759070;1514348579;mircea_popescu;because the tree will continue and NOT upon it.
1759071;1514348645;mircea_popescu;(this results in an immediate reimplementation of eg's linus torvald's linux codebase management, except properly and per protocol rather than ad-hoc and in a manner nobody can explain or meaningfully defend)
1759072;1514348663;trinque;yes, but the method of inclusion by diddling unrelated file is frivolous and less meaningful than explicitly denoting the relationship
1759073;1514348686;mircea_popescu;there's still a disconnect because i don't understand what the hell you mean.
1759074;1514348687;trinque;which is where I got to "concatenate whole cppwad and hash that" as that's your cpp program anyway.
1759075;1514348755;ben_vulpes;a3 and a3' can touch a disjoint set of files and never be depended upon by an a4 without mutating unrelated files to ensure dependency is properly codified.
1759076;1514348792;mircea_popescu;it doesn't matter which files they touch. a4 will build upon one of them, and then a5 on a4, and the unbuild upon one is left as a "fray" on the rope.
1759077;1514348818;trinque;"I edited the networking code and added better logging statements which requires the better logging code on fray, but I didn't edit the logging code."
1759078;1514348826;mircea_popescu;ok
1759079;1514348828;ben_vulpes;so then for a3' to be an a4, it must touch an unrelated file in a3, forever crufting up the codebase with v artifacts.
1759080;1514348859;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes oh it finally dawned on me what this is about. sorry it takes so long.
1759081;1514348875;*;ben_vulpes snaps keyboard, retires, drowns children, shoots self
1759082;1514348879;ben_vulpes;great
1759083;1514348887;ben_vulpes;that only took a day
1759084;1514348904;trinque;poar poar keyboard
1759085;1514348906;mircea_popescu;so the idea is, you got up to a2, which consists of files F1... Fi ; now one patch call it a3 touches file Fj, and another patch call it a3` touches file Fk
1759086;1514348929;mircea_popescu;the ~only way to establish a lineage among these two so a3` is properly a4 is if the patch is spuriously modified to add a "hey v sucks" comment in Fj
1759087;1514348958;trinque;totally, if I have to edit something to name it as antecedent
1759088;1514348963;mircea_popescu;because otherwise, touching entirely different filesets, their precedence can not currently be established as per extant v
1759089;1514348964;ben_vulpes;aha
1759090;1514348984;*;ben_vulpes relinks http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758590 for everyone to reread
1759091;1514348984;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 22:56 ben_vulpes: the specifics of this case is that increase_aggression_levels touches *only* net.cpp and excise_hash_truncations touches a whole lotta stuff but *not* net.cpp
1759092;1514349017;mircea_popescu;hey, i spent most of the intervening day revelring! i have circumstrances!
1759093;1514349038;mircea_popescu;anyway, and the proposed fix for this is to actually add a hash for the whole filebase in each patch ?
1759094;1514349040;ben_vulpes;moreover i want to bring up another overlooked point which is that it is illegal to press a tree with these two patches side by side
1759095;1514349054;*;trinque is only recently not a walking solution of wine and nog
1759096;1514349111;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep, concatenate every single item in the path diff processed, use *that* hash as antecedent and that recalculated as expected.
1759097;1514349123;mircea_popescu;trinque kitten trying to get into the backseat so i can play with her tits ever so briefly kissed my new suit pant's leg, now i have a typically indicative white spot on it. tbh i knida like the look of it.
1759098;1514349134;mircea_popescu;trinque you need the file hashes per file though.
1759099;1514349136;trinque;loller
1759100;1514349183;mircea_popescu;how about a convention whereby all new genesises must contain a manifest.genesis file, which file will be constantly patched on each patchj, no exceptions, by adding a line which reads : "This is patch #x and the codebase hash is blabla".
1759101;1514349212;mircea_popescu;this has the advantage that you can readily understand what any press is made of by looking in root.
1759102;1514349216;ben_vulpes;hash of the patched codebase including the patched manifest with hash of patched codebase in it?
1759103;1514349232;trinque;orobother
1759104;1514349242;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no, except .genesis :D
1759105;1514349263;ben_vulpes;well then it's out of band, unsigned
1759106;1514349278;mircea_popescu;no, it's signed. it simply is not used in the one spot where the codebase hash is calculated.
1759107;1514349280;trinque;manifest can be the patch header nearly as is
1759108;1514349288;mircea_popescu;trinque just about.
1759109;1514349310;trinque;"let it be known that there are these files, with these hashes" "I have changed these; their hashes are now ..."
1759110;1514349344;mircea_popescu;anyway, this'll need moar discussions, i'm not specifiying anything on dec 26th.
1759111;1514349360;trinque;and yet, I can see the entire thing from the other perspective still, that cpp is broken, trb itself not a single concept but a mud, etc
1759112;1514349364;trinque;aha
1759113;1514349376;mircea_popescu;trinque gotta force emergence of sanity through some sort of rational process.
1759114;1514349389;mircea_popescu;otherwise what, we rebuild africa, "sonny we sat here and marveled at this mud for 955 generations"
1759115;1514349565;mircea_popescu;phf asciilifeform diana_coman & others awake ^
1759116;1514349671;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758974 << very much so ; and especially on a blog. there's utterly nothing wrong with being wrong, and discover it over time, especially if gracious about it. not like you sign the damned things, nor like the distinction isn't very fucking clear a a matter of public policy.
1759117;1514349671;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 01:58 asciilifeform: i'd like to encourage trinque to put some of his 'crackpot' algos 'to paper', as articles. the hypertext thing was interesting imho, for instance, and so was earlier trinque pill for 'mining is a bug', and possibly other occasions. dun be afraid to write down conjectures, trinque , gauss did
1759118;1514349673;ben_vulpes;it'll need codebasehashprepatch and codebasehashpostpatch i think
1759119;1514349692;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes conceivably. why ?
1759120;1514349749;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758978 << waaay ahead of the wake, wildman!
1759121;1514349749;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 02:03 asciilifeform: or, on other end of the possible, a vtron that somehow understands that a call of foo necessarily depends on the patch that birthed foo... and requires disambiguation only if >1 foo exists in the tree
1759122;1514349758;mircea_popescu;flying cities first.
1759123;1514349798;ben_vulpes;(it's an urbit, and presumably others crackpottery)
1759124;1514349845;ben_vulpes;how is a4 to indicate that it needs both a3 and a3' otherwise?
1759125;1514349863;mircea_popescu;no such both. a3` is to be a4, your a4 to be a5.
1759126;1514349934;ben_vulpes;putting the codebasehash in headers doesn't work then, as there is no 'file that will always be touched' that is a part of v to participate in the toposort
1759127;1514349944;mircea_popescu;genesis.manifest
1759128;1514349984;ben_vulpes;okay, let's work it
1759129;1514350060;ben_vulpes;i'll have to doodle, cannot do this live
1759130;1514350066;mircea_popescu;np
1759131;1514350067;trinque;hm. the manifest also gives you a place to name blobs.
1759132;1514350073;*;trinque probably at a point to digest also
1759133;1514350125;trinque;but specifically, blobs not included. "and you will need the debian 2002 iso; go find"
1759134;1514350143;trinque;^ cuntoo direly wants this
1759135;1514350174;mircea_popescu;wait what ?
1759136;1514350213;*;mircea_popescu envisaged the genesis.manifest as wholly mechanical item, just a patch-per-line count of patches, no space to adlib.
1759137;1514350247;trinque;my cuntoo installer script requires some what, 500mb of wads of other items that are not text, or useless.
1759138;1514350264;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1759139;1514350305;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: okay, i geddit. do it as the first step of vdiff, so the mutation shows up
1759140;1514350313;mircea_popescu;right
1759141;1514350318;ben_vulpes;question then becomes how to get the patchtitle into .manifest
1759142;1514350328;mircea_popescu;title ?
1759143;1514350337;trinque;why not have one file, manifest, and you edit it, then vdiff the whole shebang.
1759144;1514350352;ben_vulpes;oh you said "patch # and the codebase hash is..."
1759145;1514350373;ben_vulpes;comedy option: vpatch names are now the hash of the resulting codebase
1759146;1514350375;mircea_popescu;trinque because it'll get a mess ; ben_vulpes it's just a counter. increments 1 from prev line. shall i do a sample pastebin ?
1759147;1514350381;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no need
1759148;1514350385;trinque;can have a tool to edit it sure, but then that's the file that's being edited no matter what else is edited, and there's a coherent history based primarily upon a list denoting what's considered a thing at time of patch
1759149;1514350446;mircea_popescu;trinque arbitrary-content manifests will become a mess of random.
1759150;1514350961;trinque;if an automatic manifest comprised of hashes of all items in project, it reduces to the $concatHashBefore and $concatHashAfter
1759151;1514350988;mircea_popescu;yes ; was just a place to put it really.
1759152;1514352978;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node.
1759153;1514353276;trinque;ben_vulpes: huh, meanwhile node.deedbot.org is topped up without aggression and without 50400 setvernum.
1759154;1514354012;ben_vulpes;stormy, with a chance of packeting
1759155;1514354026;ben_vulpes;gonna have to revert and watch, or provision a mess of boxen
1759156;1514358792;mircea_popescu;aaand in other humanities : a. j. ayer was once in the livingroom of one fernando sanchez on west 57th st, hanging out with a buncha young hussies/models when one girl came arunnin' complaining that her friend was being assaulted in the bedroom. ayer went in, where he found mike tyson atop an obscure south london model. when the (at the time 70yo) oxford professor asked him to quit it, mike tyson wanted to know if he knows wh
1759157;1514358792;mircea_popescu;o the fuck he is!!! ie, the world's heavyweight champion. ayer explained that he's the ex wykeham professor of logic, and since they're both pre-eminent in their respective fields, how about they indulge in discourse rather than intercourse. oddly enough tyson accepted, and naomi campbell slipped out -- apparently undamaged enough by the experience to actually do those not-even-terrible shots with madonna.
1759158;1514376002;*;mircea_popescu taking off on a little trip, cya all manana.
1759159;1514376424;shinohai;Bon Voyage mircea_popescu .... enjoy!
1759160;1514382515;shinohai;lulzmining: https://imgur.com/Fo8rZQi
1759161;1514384052;shinohai;!~blocks
1759162;1514384053;jhvh1;shinohai: 501273
1759163;1514384447;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1759164;1514384453;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15700.09, vol: 14030.97103622 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15699.0, vol: 49838.33077808 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15916.9, vol: 3761.92367122 | Volume-weighted last average: 15711.3466183
1759165;1514384536;BingoBoingo;Ah, such a gloriously obvious pattern emerges. Waterfalls when the banks are closed. Turns out the speed of the crashing is limited to a somewhat sane pace by the difficulty of getting rid of non-ecu fiat takens
1759166;1514384832;BingoBoingo;Later today still more intense language and cultural immersion scheduled.
1759167;1514385120;BingoBoingo;The accountant is giving me the expectation the the process of transforming my self into a business will compelete this week allowing bank access to follow soon after.
1759168;1514385210;*;BingoBoingo very much enjoying the Lode lulz
1759169;1514385406;diana_coman;!!key esthlos
1759170;1514385407;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/EDB93AD2CAB28398010B46D025C71657FDA71DC2.asc
1759171;1514389265;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759152 << not up to 'tip' yet. it did walk 3000+ blox in the night, however. which before patch sometimes took week+.
1759172;1514389265;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 05:36 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node.
1759173;1514389291;asciilifeform;the old behaviour was indefensibly insane, wtf, why is boot time 'special', for fuck's sake.
1759174;1514389354;asciilifeform;as for nodes at the 'tip', the path of chinesium through layers of prb is a lottery, and i suspect that attempting to measure the effect of a trb patch on said behaviour is doomed to astrologize over noise
1759175;1514389584;diana_coman;!!v F86B917C8A985F0F4DEEA86779F31E186369CD2305830051D630044D5969FE5F
1759176;1514389584;deedbot;diana_coman rated esthlos 1 << He seems to really want to learn.
1759177;1514389606;diana_coman;!!seen esthlos
1759178;1514389606;deedbot;2017/12/22 02:03:16  BingoBoingo: yes, I think it's time for that
1759179;1514389820;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al : i think it is worth elaborating what it means when saying 'my node is behind N blox'. what it means, if spoken properly, is that you know of some node, somewhere, that appears to have moarblox than yours. focus should be on 'did my node ask it for nextblock? what, if anything, did it answer? why ?' rather than the quite uselessly unspecific 'mah nodez are behind!111'
1759180;1514389853;asciilifeform;if what is meant is 'i looked on shitchain.info and saw a higher number than from my getinfo' should SAY that.
1759181;1514389939;asciilifeform;... and also say what happened when you try and plug yer node into this or that 'un-behind' one.
1759182;1514390066;asciilifeform;if, alternatively, it meant 'my block height hasn't moved for a week', again should be specific, SAY that, and post yer log
1759183;1514390122;asciilifeform;so that questions like 'did it even have net access for that week', to 'has it ASKED anyone for the next block, or just sat there with mouth open? ' and 'did anyone ANSWER, when asked, or just shat forth mempool crapola and bastards 50 blox ahead' can be answered.
1759184;1514390273;asciilifeform;i get it, in the 'organic' system that is a live p2p net, proper controlled experiments are quite impossible. this however does NOT mean that one oughta freely give in to urge to climb back up the tree, becoming a monkey again, and think in voodoo criteria. even if the circumstances heavily encourage this , by failing to reward rational thought ( see mircea_popescu's thread with the italian fishermen !! , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-
1759185;1514390274;asciilifeform;12-02#1745723 )
1759186;1514390283;asciilifeform;grrrrrrrr http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745723
1759187;1514390283;a111;Logged on 2017-12-02 22:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sea is rich ; but the fisherman's stuck playing a loser game.
1759188;1514390497;asciilifeform;don't be the fisherman who, say, 'i washed my hands after shitting and that day caught no fish, i think i'ma not ever again wash hands' etc.
1759189;1514391541;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathendom, http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7724#comment-1912925
1759190;1514391757;asciilifeform;in other lulzy backlinx from asciilifeform's www, http://forum.6502.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2944&p=57778#p57778 << 6502 enthusiasts , presumably some were not awake in the '80s-'90s , try to rederive carry-bit formula. d00d links asciilifeform's. which is hilarious because on what, do you suppose, asciilifeform originally studied...
1759191;1514392432;asciilifeform;http://www.worldtruth.mx/mathematics/link-id_34145/ << pinoys neversleep(tm)(r)
1759192;1514392453;*;asciilifeform shakes out last crumbs from spam trap, bolts it back into place
1759193;1514393187;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf: 1) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch2_logicals.vpatch.peterl.sig  2) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch3_shifts.vpatch.peterl.sig
1759194;1514393187;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1759195;1514393324;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf: 3) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.peterl.sig . ty
1759196;1514393324;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1759197;1514393746;asciilifeform;congrats to PeterL, the first (and currently only) ch4 graduate.
1759198;1514394896;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759185 << i sometimes wonder if there's some clever way to link back split posts (i mean in cases where urls are lost, perhaps by looking at cases where 250 byte message, followed by same person within ~~<3s or somesuch)
1759199;1514394896;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 15:57 asciilifeform: 12-02#1745723 )
1759200;1514394928;asciilifeform;phf: imho more correct pill would be to patch e.g. znc. or better still, the client, to warn of splits
1759201;1514394960;asciilifeform;elaborately diddling logs is not The Right Thing. for one thing, it will cause logtrons to fall out of sync.
1759202;1514394974;asciilifeform;( with each other, and with naive logs that everybody keeps on own hdd )
1759203;1514395018;phf;well, i'm thinking illumination, which has been sop for btcbase, but yes, since split happens on client anyway (i'm using ircii right now, and it annoyingly doesn't warn OR split)
1759204;1514395089;phf;the other thing that i wanted to do is add xref for those inline quotes `phf: asciilifeform: grrrrr ... << kek` that people like to do
1759205;1514395115;asciilifeform;oohyea the worst of the worst, will neither warn nor split, they swallow
1759206;1514395119;asciilifeform;silently.
1759207;1514395132;asciilifeform;specifically thinking of the crapple ones (e.g. 'palaver')
1759208;1514395148;asciilifeform;somehow, on their planet this is considered acceptable.
1759209;1514395249;phf;i suspect ircii simply predates usability. back when men counted each character, because bell telephone company metered bauds
1759210;1514395303;asciilifeform;dunno, all of the artifacts i recall from those days, made it easier for operator to avoid this accidental bankruptcy , not harder.
1759211;1514395638;phf;ircii questions are also by the way impossible to search for. no way to tell either google or ddg to not be helpful and also mirc, irssi, etc.
1759212;1514395696;asciilifeform;this type of 'helpfulness' is pestilential nao
1759213;1514395722;asciilifeform;'did you mean to search for 'lipstick' instead?? we're gonna search for lipstick instead!'
1759214;1514395778;phf;i blame wolfram
1759215;1514395789;asciilifeform;long pre-dates wolframism
1759216;1514395804;phf;j'accuse...!
1759217;1514395911;asciilifeform;wolfram surely deserves whipping post regardless. ( he is to be counted, imho, right up there with the greatest american charlatans, with josephsmith, edison, gates, et al )
1759218;1514395977;asciilifeform;( see http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-09#1094257 and many elsewheres )
1759219;1514395977;a111;Logged on 2015-04-09 21:21 ascii_field: anyway, i happen to know more than a reasonable man ought to, about wolframism
1759220;1514396077;phf;early tex papers knuth talks about putting this or that formula into macsyma, but then from some point he fully switches to mathematica. breaks me heart
1759221;1514396094;asciilifeform;hey he also switched to winblowz
1759222;1514396105;asciilifeform;but heart did not break then ? why not? i'm curious
1759223;1514396128;phf;he did? i thought he uses mac, he posted his keyboard layouts
1759224;1514396142;asciilifeform;in all fairness i can't recall how i came to think that he did.
1759225;1514396145;asciilifeform;so perhaps not
1759226;1514396175;phf;he was using unix up until early 2000s, and then switched to mac (i think for old people reasons)
1759227;1514396177;asciilifeform;but gotta say, there is not so much distance left, to winblowz.
1759228;1514396185;asciilifeform;from cook-os.
1759229;1514396362;phf;but to answer the question, i think i don't particularly mind the subtrate. man does computations, i wouldn't be too concerned if he were to switch to ipad even, because he'd still be hand writing algorithms with a certain detachment to the concerns of extras
1759230;1514396403;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that this disconnect, 'can use ipad but still do honest mathematics', doesn't show any serious symptoms of existing
1759231;1514396443;asciilifeform;i'll point out that everything for which knuth is famous, was done before senility and macdows
1759232;1514396487;asciilifeform;( see also the not wholly-irrelevant http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455456 item )
1759233;1514396487;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 04:34 asciilifeform: rmans really got to England my acquaintance of the Cafe Royal would soon have found his painting deteriorating, even if the Gestapo had let him alone. And when the lid is taken off Europe, I believe one of the things that will surprise us will be to find how little worthwhile writing of any kind -- even such things as diaries, for instance -- has been produced in secret under the dictators.'
1759234;1514396756;asciilifeform;i dun see any fundamental reason why it ~could not~ exist. but also dun see any signs that it in fact does.
1759235;1514396902;asciilifeform;iirc knuth showed first sign of fatal weakness when he failed to put up resistance against what the latex people had done.
1759236;1514396930;phf;it's hard to say how much knuth changed over years, without knowing the man, and i don't think "for which knuth is famous" is any kind of measure. he's certainly gotten old, but i think he might also be constituionally incapable of participating in a consensus.
1759237;1514396941;asciilifeform;( and i gotta wonder whether lamport himself was an active perpetrator, or passive victim similar to knuth himself, when the 3GB of liquishit began to form )
1759238;1514397060;asciilifeform;phf: given specifically as i do not know the man -- all i'm left with is 'the mathematics for which he was famous'
1759239;1514397089;asciilifeform;which was a going concern in '70s-'80s, while today it is a '70-'80s memory, strictly
1759240;1514397095;asciilifeform;afaik.
1759241;1514397164;asciilifeform;entirely possible that the man's chief sin was simply the failure to find worthy successor. he left tex to the maggots, and the result is exactly the typical result. ( just as e.g. stalin ended up leaving his 'tex' to the maggots, with similar result )
1759242;1514397172;phf;we'll he's a millenarian, he's primarily documenting the fundamental findings of computer science
1759243;1514397192;asciilifeform;the problem of trying to be 'millenarian' with earthling human lifespan...
1759244;1514397199;asciilifeform;!!up BigTexasBingo
1759245;1514397199;deedbot;BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
1759246;1514397219;BigTexasBingo;https://youtu.be/wefRJVooXHQ Make Great Great Again pls
1759247;1514397243;phf;well, really, the problem has been discussed here many times, that you can't tmsr without wot. "successor" is just a special case of that, which, again, lacking mechanisms, is likewise lacking
1759248;1514397266;asciilifeform;phf: right. i did not say that his problem was readily solvable. but it remains -- problem.
1759249;1514397287;asciilifeform;at the very least could've emphasized the absence of a successor.
1759250;1514397287;BigTexasBingo;Anyways knuth problem seems insufficient threat of hambre
1759251;1514397294;asciilifeform;BigTexasBingo: expand?
1759252;1514397328;phf;asciilifeform: he did though, by making it very explicit that there can't be a successor.
1759253;1514397344;BigTexasBingo;When I consider what the next right thing is, hambre or the threat thereof provides motivation to not be stupid and Windows
1759254;1514397345;asciilifeform;phf: apparently lamport missed this memo
1759255;1514397379;asciilifeform;BigTexasBingo: to old folx, hunger is not motivator for action, but for depression/death and, often, quisling
1759256;1514397397;asciilifeform;hunger is motivator for the young, who have good battery charge
1759257;1514397409;BigTexasBingo;That's what kids are for
1759258;1514397458;asciilifeform;afaik knuth did not grow any , at least none such that would suffer from the delusion that they are fit to succeed him
1759259;1514397510;BigTexasBingo;Ah
1759260;1514397559;BigTexasBingo;Not much to do then except present carrot/stick/africa trilemma
1759261;1514397580;phf;asciilifeform: well, be that lamport, or someone else, the memo wasn't missed, but made to disappear through consensus. everyone knows that there's only one TeX, but of course "modern" "tex" is latex with luatex engine, etc. etc.
1759262;1514397638;asciilifeform;BigTexasBingo: the art of 'drowning like a gentleman', i.e. to behave honourably and with grace in the face of certain defeat, death, obscurity -- is largely lost in modern folx
1759263;1514397651;asciilifeform;phf: evidently
1759264;1514397725;BigTexasBingo;Perhaps.
1759265;1514397743;BigTexasBingo;Brb, more immersion
1759266;1514397784;phf;knuth managed to do a lot to keep tex what it is, given that he's essentially a pacifist academic. there aren't many other examples (common lisp, ada) where preservation has been taken to this extreme.
1759267;1514397786;asciilifeform;BigTexasBingo: ever seen this photo : https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/0/6/6/5346660.jpg ?
1759268;1514397887;phf;relatedly, i managed to get latest version (jan 2014) version to produce a dvi out of tex.tex from first principles. i used someone else's port to gnu pascal
1759269;1514397895;asciilifeform;^ burgomeister of leipzig. apr 20, 1945.
1759270;1514397910;asciilifeform;phf: neato.
1759271;1514398010;phf;i'll definitely document it though, because the process is arcane, and not at all automated.
1759272;1514402719;shinohai;!~lookup irccloud.com
1759273;1514402719;jhvh1;shinohai: 104.25.54.39
1759274;1514403561;asciilifeform;!!up toohigh
1759275;1514403562;deedbot;toohigh voiced for 30 minutes.
1759276;1514403730;asciilifeform;in other vintage heathen lulz, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_bitcoin apparently.
1759277;1514403829;asciilifeform;no prizes for guessing what ain't in there, lol
1759278;1514403913;asciilifeform;!!up l0de
1759279;1514403914;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1759280;1514406502;phf;hmm, dis ircii keeps losing connection and then not telling me anything. this like some girlfriend shit
1759281;1514406570;asciilifeform;lol
1759282;1514406797;shinohai;xD
1759283;1514407891;lobbes; [19:42:10] in other vintage heathen lulz, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_bitcoin apparently. << "Before disappearing from any involvement in bitcoin, Nakamoto in a sense handed over the reins to developer Gavin Andresen" lol, didjaknow?
1759284;1514408000;lobbes;but so it goes, those on that ship will 'unhappen' into their watery grave
1759285;1514412377;ben_vulpes;!!up punto
1759286;1514412378;deedbot;punto voiced for 30 minutes.
1759287;1514420217;shinohai;For BingoBoingo, lest he forget the lulz of his tierra nativo http://archive.is/UYlRg
1759288;1514420787;shinohai;http://archive.is/EwgIC   <<< US must wire $5000 via western union before the sale can proceed tho
1759289;1514422531;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in an apparent imitation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749817 : http://destery.info/cidal/mpex-bitcoin-nupe.php <<< aaaaand, very similarly, returns ENTIRELY different turd to archive.is. orig. screenshitted, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpex_flavoured_spamola.jpg for posterity.
1759290;1514422531;a111;Logged on 2017-12-12 15:42 asciilifeform: meanwhile in pinoy spamola, http://peltebesining.tk/giwe/asic-bitcoin-miner-schematic-1634.php << image-embeds asciilifeform's lispm keyboard schematic as 'asic miner' . bonus : if loaded via archive.is, gives entirely ~different~ spamola, prolly based on ip block
1759291;1514423628;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759179 << when i use it, i mean that my foremost node is ahead by delta.
1759292;1514423628;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 15:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al : i think it is worth elaborating what it means when saying 'my node is behind N blox'. what it means, if spoken properly, is that you know of some node, somewhere, that appears to have moarblox than yours. focus should be on 'did my node ask it for nextblock? what, if anything, did it answer? why ?' rather than the quite uselessly unspecific 'mah nodez are behind!111'
1759293;1514423689;asciilifeform;that's even worse. if my nodes were failing to give EACH OTHER their best known blocks, i'd skin'em alive until found why
1759294;1514423701;mircea_popescu;i know why lol
1759295;1514423703;asciilifeform;( is what 'wires' came out of )
1759296;1514423814;asciilifeform;in related noose, zoolag covered ~20k blox in 4days. and looks set to fully sync by tomorrow morning.
1759297;1514423826;asciilifeform;( with 'aggression' )
1759298;1514423862;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the fresh blood you (and trinque ) pumped in trb ecosystem made a lot of secondary nodes gain lots of speed too.
1759299;1514423871;asciilifeform;neato!
1759300;1514424093;asciilifeform;and, observe, this was without any such prbisms as 'headers-first'ism etc.
1759301;1514424120;mircea_popescu;sure.
1759302;1514424121;asciilifeform;none of it, i suspect, was ever needed.
1759303;1514424152;mircea_popescu;i dun think anyone intellectually honest still holds any notion that the prb crew is in any way working to fix or improve bitcoin.
1759304;1514424168;asciilifeform;wasn't, even in 2012.
1759305;1514424323;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo where was that hoster that'll host peculiarly small boxes , that you were using back in the day ? i have a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754247 that fit exactly those dimensions
1759306;1514424323;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: they are widely sold as surplus today, about fiddybux ( naturally diskless )
1759307;1514424323;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1759308;1514424398;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1759309;1514424640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform turns out you have a lot of fans.
1759310;1514424730;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759198 << look at cases where a message that overflows the buffer has the last word leading by http of any line and the first word of the next line include any /
1759311;1514424730;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 17:14 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759185 << i sometimes wonder if there's some clever way to link back split posts (i mean in cases where urls are lost, perhaps by looking at cases where 250 byte message, followed by same person within ~~<3s or somesuch)
1759312;1514424734;mircea_popescu;should cover most cases.
1759313;1514424838;mircea_popescu;can offer it in the logotron as a [?] item, ie message is "blablabla http://someu" and next line goes "rl.com/hurddurr" and your log shows the line as "blablabla http://someu [ http://someurl.com/hurddurr ?]" or perhaps in shorter format, "blablabla http://someu [?]"
1759314;1514424847;mircea_popescu;not sure it's worth actually getting this anal, but w/e
1759315;1514424877;mircea_popescu;just as good as google ai (tm)
1759316;1514424997;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759208 << i consider it perfectly acceptable ; if crapple software were improved to swallow 100% of their luserbase's output as opposed to merely 1% or w/e it is now it'd be even more acceptable.
1759317;1514424997;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 17:19 asciilifeform: somehow, on their planet this is considered acceptable.
1759318;1514425127;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759209 << no fucking way it's that old. 2000s item
1759319;1514425127;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 17:20 phf: i suspect ircii simply predates usability. back when men counted each character, because bell telephone company metered bauds
1759320;1514425235;mircea_popescu;this isn't fucking irc2
1759321;1514425275;phf;nah, ircii is 1980s, 2.1.4 is 1990s release
1759322;1514425288;mircea_popescu;are we talking irssi or irc2 ?
1759323;1514425292;phf;later
1759324;1514425295;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1759325;1514425306;mircea_popescu;dunno why i read irssi
1759326;1514425362;mircea_popescu;particularly lulzy in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759211
1759327;1514425362;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 17:27 phf: ircii questions are also by the way impossible to search for. no way to tell either google or ddg to not be helpful and also mirc, irssi, etc.
1759328;1514425440;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759229 << jesus christ clucking in algebra on that clunker of a kbd...
1759329;1514425440;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 17:39 phf: but to answer the question, i think i don't particularly mind the subtrate. man does computations, i wouldn't be too concerned if he were to switch to ipad even, because he'd still be hand writing algorithms with a certain detachment to the concerns of extras
1759330;1514425452;mircea_popescu;i'd rather piss it in fresh snow.
1759331;1514425534;phf;you can use ipad with a bluetooth keyboard!!1
1759332;1514425623;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759236 << the problem is rather the ability to tell people [as a fine example, one's own sons] that they have failed miserably, and here's the small stiletto that'll wash somewhat of the miserable stain they placed on your name.
1759333;1514425623;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 17:48 phf: it's hard to say how much knuth changed over years, without knowing the man, and i don't think "for which knuth is famous" is any kind of measure. he's certainly gotten old, but i think he might also be constituionally incapable of participating in a consensus.
1759334;1514425658;mircea_popescu;absent that... you're typing on a bluepad itooth regardless.
1759335;1514425738;mircea_popescu;this very basic confrontation of cain is an utterly necessary, fundamental building block of respirable cosmos.
1759336;1514425859;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759237 << have you ever wondered, like prepubescent mp wondered, why all these various animals on nature show never fucking kill the parasytes like you'd squish a flea ?
1759337;1514425859;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 17:49 asciilifeform: ( and i gotta wonder whether lamport himself was an active perpetrator, or passive victim similar to knuth himself, when the 3GB of liquishit began to form )
1759338;1514425900;mircea_popescu;obviously parasite exists irl specifically and strictly because the victim fails to perceive it, in other words the organism's existence is simple proof of the other organism's failure to perceive and no more.
1759339;1514425993;mircea_popescu;i am convinced that all these useless foreigners had not an inkling of an idea that they're trading their ancestral land for the sack of shiny baubles, simply no conception whatsoever. "what, there's something wrong with codebase increase ?" they might ask, with all the endearing pathetism of well meaning senility, in the same tone as they might ask "where am i ? could you take me home ?", lost at a crowded crossroads.
1759340;1514426512;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759241 << it's not altogether clear to me soviet union wasn't continued exactly in the spirit and direction of "the great father".
1759341;1514426512;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 17:52 asciilifeform: entirely possible that the man's chief sin was simply the failure to find worthy successor. he left tex to the maggots, and the result is exactly the typical result. ( just as e.g. stalin ended up leaving his 'tex' to the maggots, with similar result )
1759342;1514426868;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's that
1759343;1514426942;asciilifeform;can debate styles of management , etc. but for instance stalin did not sell natural resources. successors -- sold. even today, ru runs 100% 'on the pipe', like saud
1759344;1514427029;asciilifeform;the inheriting of the master's house by a gaggle of idjits , former bootlicks, was a palpable thing, and with palpable consequences incl. the cn split.
1759345;1514427148;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759338 << dog very much perceives the flea. just like zek perceives the louse. but what exactly is he to do? either of them.
1759346;1514427148;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 01:51 mircea_popescu: obviously parasite exists irl specifically and strictly because the victim fails to perceive it, in other words the organism's existence is simple proof of the other organism's failure to perceive and no more.
1759347;1514427205;mircea_popescu;this is somewhat dubious. ww2 engagement not "sold ru resources ie mirvnik fat" but "invested" ?
1759348;1514427244;mircea_popescu;and no, t-cell doth not perceive hiv virus, nor fish the polyp on its gills etc.
1759349;1514427257;mircea_popescu;dog, maybe. then again dog eats shit does not perceive ascaris etc
1759350;1514427275;asciilifeform;ww2 wasn't exactly a voluntary transaction
1759351;1514427324;asciilifeform;re t cell -- not all parasites are perceptible. point was that stealth is not the only strategy used by parasite
1759352;1514427332;mircea_popescu;this is an open issue. "on the pipe" also not voluntary txn
1759353;1514427349;mircea_popescu;china HAD TO trade its mirvnik fat, and it's what powered its conversion from ~india to ~us.
1759354;1514427353;asciilifeform;it is if you have a stalin, i.e. a firm power vertical.
1759355;1514427374;mircea_popescu;russia idem had to. much less profitably, because turns out torturing your fellow countryman is better for the country than torturing the environment.
1759356;1514427377;asciilifeform;if not , then 0 agency, like corpse. and fat will be rendered
1759357;1514427391;mircea_popescu;optimal investment in the other (as teh sartrean notion) is putting them into pain.
1759358;1514427418;asciilifeform;nao this, is so.
1759359;1514427436;mircea_popescu;this is the fundamental counterintuitive coernerstone of civilisation : always better to beat the wife and children than to beat the walls and fields.
1759360;1514427437;mircea_popescu;but...
1759361;1514427459;asciilifeform;( much has been written on subj of how post-mongol ru continued same administrative style etc. there's sumthing to it. )
1759362;1514427471;mircea_popescu;rather.
1759363;1514428333;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759271 << please do.
1759364;1514428333;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 18:06 phf: i'll definitely document it though, because the process is arcane, and not at all automated.
1759365;1514428352;mircea_popescu;!~lookup chat.freenode.net
1759366;1514428352;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 130.185.232.126
1759367;1514428355;mircea_popescu;!~lookup irc.freenode.net
1759368;1514428355;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 130.185.232.126
1759369;1514428361;mircea_popescu;shinohai nice.
1759370;1514428411;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759277 << any actual history of bitcoin, as opposed to the usual "and then hillary clinton really won the elections and global warming etcetera" ?
1759371;1514428411;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 19:43 asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing what ain't in there, lol
1759372;1514428526;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759288 << bwahahaha right on,\
1759373;1514428526;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 00:26 shinohai: http://archive.is/EwgIC   <<< US must wire $5000 via western union before the sale can proceed tho
1759374;1514429910;shinohai;ah mircea_popescu lookup has been there a while, but i think i forgot to have pete_dushenski push it to his bots page updates.
1759375;1514430037;shinohai;http://archive.is/VuSSm   <<< Autists literally made this happen. Their logo is a fidget spinner, ffs
1759376;1514430433;asciilifeform;shinohai: can haz not-videoturd ??
1759377;1514430486;shinohai;heh i got txt on screen, no video
1759378;1514431891;shinohai;http://archive.is/vAfjT   <<< now THIS is the lulziest thing, to me, of the entire week.
1759379;1514432116;phf;heh, i was prepared to be disappointed, but the op, as they say, delivered
1759380;1514432625;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/fowAf << from samerag, moarlulz
1759381;1514432634;asciilifeform;'Real price of bitcoin could be $0.00, warns Morgan Stanley' << didjaknow.
1759382;1514432642;asciilifeform;( they must've asked buffett... )
1759383;1514433003;mircea_popescu;real price of dollars is almost certainly 0.00000000 bitcoin, however.
1759384;1514433037;mircea_popescu;anyway. let them "could be" and "we said to ourselves and then believed" and so on until the rapetruck comes.
1759385;1514433047;mircea_popescu;not like there's any further utility in the fiatard lands.
1759386;1514433136;asciilifeform;pretty slow rapetruck... ( is the rape phree if the truck is late ? like american pizza in 1980s )
1759387;1514440135;mircea_popescu;aha :D
1759388;1514441549;mircea_popescu;in other rapetrucks, i watched die hard. the russians are germans back then ; the terrorists still terrorists. the "career woman" still very much homely gun moll, wink wink nudge nudge. the dumbass "technology" ie cameras on every wall more of a curio than anything, deemed eccentricly harmless (see also above discussion of parasitosis).
1759389;1514441575;mircea_popescu;to quote tlp, "half of america said hell ya, let's kick some ass and the other half rolled its eyes and was totally like don't you guys know we suck now ?"
1759390;1514441629;mircea_popescu;yet by comparison to the femprop the pantsuits are pouring out this decade, brainless "action" movies of the 90s are grandiloquent cinematic accomplishments.
1759391;1514465212;BingoBoingo; !~later tell BingoBoingo where was that hoster that'll host peculiarly small boxes , that you were using back in the day ? i have a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754247 that fit exactly those dimensions << I looked at "Mac Stadium" but ended up going with Joe's Datacenter before the payment portion of Joe's website went full NameCheap retard.
1759392;1514465212;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: they are widely sold as surplus today, about fiddybux ( naturally diskless )
1759393;1514465322;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Perhaps you fill a 1U tray with them and pack it into your checked luggage? If you worry about their conenctivity it is very possible to negotiate them their own dedicated or asymmetrical line.
1759394;1514465652;BingoBoingo; BigTexasBingo: ever seen this photo : https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/0/6/6/5346660.jpg ? << Not until now
1759395;1514465799;BingoBoingo; incidentally, the fresh blood you (and trinque ) pumped in trb ecosystem made a lot of secondary nodes gain lots of speed too. << Aha, since the aggressing started and some trb nodes changed ver string my nodes have had an easier time staying at the tip
1759396;1514466083;BingoBoingo;So last night I returned from una cita con una chica to discover a concert on the roof of the hostel was winding down. While I rehydrated drinking copious agua buena other guests at the hostel consulted me for answers to "What's good in Montevideo"
1759397;1514467436;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i am looking to set up a handful of trb nodez 1) small, 'disposable' boxen 2) for fiatolade 3) with decent , i.e. at least 100mb symmetric ea. 4) NOT all in same cage
1759398;1514467474;BingoBoingo;Ah
1759399;1514467502;asciilifeform;i'ma certainly patronize castle BingoBoingostein tho
1759400;1514467525;asciilifeform;but that dun solve whole item.
1759401;1514467603;BingoBoingo;https://www.macstadium.com/colo/#dcselect << Was a finalist I considered $35/month for small machine
1759402;1514467630;asciilifeform;nuffin there re noncrapple tho
1759403;1514467675;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759388 << see also lulthread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1703064
1759404;1514467675;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 06:12 mircea_popescu: in other rapetrucks, i watched die hard. the russians are germans back then ; the terrorists still terrorists. the "career woman" still very much homely gun moll, wink wink nudge nudge. the dumbass "technology" ie cameras on every wall more of a curio than anything, deemed eccentricly harmless (see also above discussion of parasitosis).
1759405;1514467675;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 17:24 asciilifeform: e.g. film 'diehard' ended up translated by one 'genius' to title 'умри тяжело'
1759406;1514467698;BingoBoingo;Probably wouldn't hurt to ask or dress up non-crapple box in aluminum case of dead crapple for moar heatsink
1759407;1514467716;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758896 << i have this vague memory that both phf and trinque were originally introduced in this sense by ben_vulpes ; whereas you were introduced similarily by hanbot. by comparison the pantsuit "evidently correct & only method" of herdemocracy has produced a whole lot of indiancandies and other self-choice delusionists.
1759408;1514467716;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 00:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758743 << this historically worked CONSIDERABLY better than 'let's throw the reddit toilet into reverse gear and see what crawls out of the pipe'
1759409;1514467748;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha!!
1759410;1514467787;mircea_popescu;so yes, the move to conscription is a matter of when, not of if.
1759411;1514467850;mircea_popescu;the drawback is that most nobles dun wanna upkeep their castles for some reason. i'm hoping it's mostly misunderstanding teh future in the benign sense of "really, didn't give this much thought"
1759412;1514467915;asciilifeform;no serfs, no castle, eh
1759413;1514467930;mircea_popescu;first the castle then the serfs!
1759414;1514467958;mircea_popescu;it's not a bit of fucking public works
1759415;1514468036;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759406 << guaranteed no-go. it's rather like trying to sew a squirrel into a rat skin and expect it to live happily as rat.
1759416;1514468036;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 13:28 BingoBoingo: Probably wouldn't hurt to ask or dress up non-crapple box in aluminum case of dead crapple for moar heatsink
1759417;1514468064;asciilifeform;( ports are in all the wrong places, and no room for any cabling, ditto heat spreaders )
1759418;1514468096;*;BingoBoingo keeping quiet castle in #agriculturalsupremacy though meeting people and perhaps soon Serfing to fill
1759419;1514468106;asciilifeform;oh hey neato
1759420;1514468142;mircea_popescu;the sadness of agriculture being of course that old story of http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing/
1759421;1514468161;asciilifeform;^ aha i immediately thought of it
1759422;1514468162;mircea_popescu;now THAT'd be a golden nut to crack. though i have ~0 hope of it ever working.
1759423;1514468183;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: well, many things depend on one's patience with die grinder. Slow sure, but most people may benefit from having a sort of meditative activity.
1759424;1514468190;mircea_popescu;agricultural supremacy ~= john deere (THAT is a place "self-driving" has utility btw) + monsanto genetic "engineering":
1759425;1514468192;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA, yes, the corn thing
1759426;1514468197;asciilifeform;for gedankenexperiment, mircea_popescu , what would 'cracked' look like ?
1759427;1514468209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't it interesting how agricultural applicaiton ends up giving an anti-intellectual sheen to ANYTHING it touches.
1759428;1514468224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a situation where it is -ev to chemicalize/engineer.
1759429;1514468233;mircea_popescu;ie, plants come alive at night and fuck your wife
1759430;1514468246;asciilifeform;they... do. simply takes a while.
1759431;1514468265;asciilifeform;it was always -ev, simply not on short enuff time scale.
1759432;1514468267;mircea_popescu;female agriculture is a fine example of what cracked nut would be. try to make one out of rubber and "nlp", get what's coming to ye.
1759433;1514468276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this'd be the problem then.
1759434;1514468290;asciilifeform;petro supply falls ? as good as nukefest.
1759435;1514468302;mircea_popescu;nah, electric pathway is still above water.
1759436;1514468306;asciilifeform;whole thing is standing on cheap petro tho
1759437;1514468308;shinohai;basidiocarps sprout from floor and deliver sound rogering
1759438;1514468312;asciilifeform;for the chemicrud
1759439;1514468312;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform isn't it interesting how agricultural applicaiton ends up giving an anti-intellectual sheen to ANYTHING it touches. << anti-intellectual sheen is part of the appeal of having named castle thusly, scares those who need it.
1759440;1514468321;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you drastically underestimate how cheap electricity actually is.
1759441;1514468344;asciilifeform;not so cheap that anybody's fischer-tropsching his way into cornism
1759442;1514468353;mircea_popescu;this is a fashion.
1759443;1514468368;mircea_popescu;it's like saying "the reason 1990s girls are emo is that 1950 style vinly and kitchen aprons are expensive"
1759444;1514468369;BingoBoingo;Kind of how I was telling other people at hostel that when you make eye contact with everyone you come across on your walk, you tend not to get acosted
1759445;1514468382;mircea_popescu;no they aren't lmao. the "consensus" of herdemocracy is just not to produce it.
1759446;1514468436;asciilifeform;troo: i have nfi what kw-hour would cost in e.g. a china that goes full-bore su-style fission buildout
1759447;1514468439;mircea_popescu;soviet-style ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757906 ) nuke plant development would result in cost per elec-watt being half of cost per oil-watt within generation.
1759448;1514468439;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 16:12 asciilifeform: then next wk 'tell us who is trying to be philosophical, and getting in the way...'
1759449;1514468445;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha!
1759450;1514468459;asciilifeform;prolly yea
1759451;1514468464;mircea_popescu;the thing with these is they self-support. WAY the fuck more expensive to have 1st nuke power plant than to add the 1001th to a 1000 fleet.
1759452;1514468490;*;BingoBoingo described US agriculture to the Brasileros. "In Estados Unidos, corn is grown and converted to sugar. Anything else costs too much to do. All of the livestock subsist on fermented corn chaff."
1759453;1514468500;asciilifeform;iirc good chunk of eastern europistan to this day running on golden age reactors
1759454;1514468506;mircea_popescu;yuppers.
1759455;1514468516;mircea_popescu;romania is basically hydro+nuclear.
1759456;1514468534;mircea_popescu;and nobody wants to look at why both a) romania became industrial power and b) romania was the only above-water state during crisis.
1759457;1514468537;asciilifeform;long in the tooth, and with american ersatz fuel by ge co. -- but running.
1759458;1514468562;mircea_popescu;imbecile austrians, that DID convince the world hitler was german and mozart austrian, NEVERTHELESS DID NOT!!!!  figure out why they come to bucharest to seek money in 2007.
1759459;1514468609;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ro makes its own fuel, wut.
1759460;1514468615;mircea_popescu;there's a nuclear fuel factory and everything.
1759461;1514468621;asciilifeform;neato.
1759462;1514468625;mircea_popescu;!~google fabrica de combustibil nuclear pitesti
1759463;1514468627;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: FCN Pitesti - Nuclearelectrica: ; Combustibil nuclear - Nuclearelectrica: ; fcn pitesti - Nuclearelectrica: 
1759464;1514468631;asciilifeform;i was thinking of bulgaria specifically.
1759465;1514468658;mircea_popescu;ah. bulgaria is...
1759466;1514468677;mircea_popescu;well, you know that time the caer came up with idea of making eastern europe agricultural zone, and ceausescu threatened to quit the warsaw pact ?
1759467;1514468681;asciilifeform;!~google bulgaria fuel rods
1759468;1514468682;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bulgaria opens dry spent nuclear fuel depot - Reuters: ; Will The Russians Become Fuel Supplier To U.S. Nuclear Power ...: ; Cracks found in protective casings at Bulgaria nuclear plant - Phys.org: (1 more message)
1759469;1514468683;mircea_popescu;bulgarians were enthusiastic over the idea.
1759470;1514468709;asciilifeform;bulgaria, land of tomato, aha.
1759471;1514468718;mircea_popescu;pickled gerkins really, but yes.
1759472;1514468730;asciilifeform;tomato for petrol. but today imports both from eu. because spread legs for nato.
1759473;1514468734;mircea_popescu;anyway, 10-20k rods a year. this is not a lot objectively, but it keeps the item going
1759474;1514468815;mircea_popescu;(they're about 10TJ for lifetime, so whole factory makes say petaJ/year)
1759475;1514468848;asciilifeform;gotta wonder why no breeder reactor in ro
1759476;1514468861;mircea_popescu;um. who says no ?
1759477;1514468877;asciilifeform;is there ? su afaik did not build any
1759478;1514468887;mircea_popescu;(petaJ ~= 1.5 mn BOE, roughly speaking.)
1759479;1514468891;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1759480;1514468917;asciilifeform;'breeders' were a major thrust in pre-pantsuit usa, where abundant thorium
1759481;1514468940;asciilifeform;(e.g. new york stands on enormous thorium vein)
1759482;1514468945;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1759483;1514468963;mircea_popescu;the thing with these is they don't have to be big
1759484;1514468968;BingoBoingo;In other news, on January 5th or 8th tentatively penciling in an appointment with the data center to hammer out more details, pricing information, etc. By that point there should be a business to do contract signing even if banking continues to be a challenge.
1759485;1514468970;mircea_popescu;so saying "no" is tall ortder, da fuck anyone knows.
1759486;1514469014;asciilifeform;funnily enuff pre-zombiefication PG mentioned that his father had come to usa from britain to build breeder-reactors. and then driven into sad-retirement when pantsuitisml
1759487;1514469054;asciilifeform;*pantsuitism
1759488;1514469101;mircea_popescu;anyway, ro maintains very lively solid state physics programme at universities (mostly, buchjarest/magurele), i would not be surprised if they had one on the grounds.
1759489;1514469156;asciilifeform;it isn't even 'high tech'n, pretty clear how it works if you look at mendeleev table
1759490;1514469168;asciilifeform;( where is thorium , consider )
1759491;1514469175;mircea_popescu;this is why i say.
1759492;1514469179;mircea_popescu;obvious teaching tool etc.
1759493;1514469214;asciilifeform;hey betcha somebody in ro even knows about the beta thing.
1759494;1514469240;asciilifeform;some d00d with long, white beard.
1759495;1514469251;mircea_popescu;if /me ran the whole thing, item'd be used for all it's worth (less importantly, give promising kids a chance to learn what critical safety is ; more importantly, give promising kids chance to exclude themselves on grounds of can not keep a secret. "big hush" the secret thorium reactor would be lynchpin of the whole thing)
1759496;1514469282;shinohai;i still wanna know why Romania let Chad get away with stealing their flag.
1759497;1514469292;mircea_popescu;it's so tantalizingly perfect it'd be hard to believe not used while not believing people involved are all rank idiots.
1759498;1514469362;asciilifeform;aha!
1759499;1514469381;mircea_popescu;shinohai retarded brits maneuvering themselves into trying to matter. when hatman visited queen, some local fuckwits organised a buncha streetwalkers to pretend like they represent "the gypsy community" and "independently want to be called romania from now on". because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739911 wasn't invented by ustards, they just copied.
1759500;1514469381;a111;Logged on 2017-11-16 20:41 mircea_popescu: there's a great southpark episode explaining how this false dychotomy is intended to work in practice (i'm a bit couintry & im a bit rock and roll item)
1759501;1514469392;mircea_popescu;"wut is hatman gonna do, not go into queen carriage???"
1759502;1514469393;mircea_popescu;aanyways.
1759503;1514469434;asciilifeform;sumbody oughta set up a parallel usg out of crackheads in bmore
1759504;1514469441;mircea_popescu;it's coming.
1759505;1514469446;asciilifeform;send to london!
1759506;1514469457;asciilifeform;'gov in exile' (tm)(r)
1759507;1514469457;mircea_popescu;because obviously, why the hell not.
1759508;1514469460;shinohai;aha praise be to the logs, and a South Park episode to boot!
1759509;1514469468;mircea_popescu;eh, london. fuck london, nobody is ever going there again.
1759510;1514469490;mircea_popescu;place is done.
1759511;1514469495;asciilifeform;it's just this place, where they keep 'governments in exile', lel
1759512;1514469504;mircea_popescu;they. no moar theys.
1759513;1514469527;asciilifeform;dun have to be in old london. can put in orbit, like in pelevin's 'snuff'
1759514;1514469545;mircea_popescu;tehran.
1759515;1514469563;asciilifeform;eh who keeps idjits-in-exile other than the 'they' for anyhing.
1759516;1514469571;mircea_popescu;we.
1759517;1514469581;mircea_popescu;why the hell not.
1759518;1514469866;mircea_popescu;!~calc log(2^2048)^6/log(2^14)^6
1759519;1514469868;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: log(2^2048)^6/log(2^14)^6
1759520;1514469879;mircea_popescu;!~calc log(2**2048)**6/log(2**14)**6
1759521;1514469880;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: log(2**2048)**6/log(2**14)**6
1759522;1514469895;mircea_popescu;!~calc log(2)
1759523;1514469896;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: log(2) = 0.30102999566398114
1759524;1514469907;mircea_popescu;what the everloving
1759525;1514469912;mircea_popescu;!~calc log(2**2048)
1759526;1514469913;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: log(2**2048)
1759527;1514469919;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2**2048
1759528;1514469920;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 2**2048
1759529;1514469927;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2^4
1759530;1514469929;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2^4 = 16
1759531;1514469971;shinohai;This cac really blows dunnit
1759532;1514469973;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1759533;1514469974;shinohai;*calc
1759534;1514469982;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the record : the ratio is ~146.
1759535;1514470004;mircea_popescu;ie, if http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753823 takes one week to compute, a full rsa sized item would take about a year.
1759536;1514470004;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 23:19 asciilifeform: btw that french aks is geological. n==11701 has been running for 10+ minutes, and is on ~9600; author's code indicates that answer appears at iteration 1000000007. that'd be 723 days on this box.
1759537;1514470021;mircea_popescu;*two weeks* i mean.
1759538;1514470094;mircea_popescu;if it takes 723 days, the item would STILL complete within the lifetime of the republic, which is to say roughly speaking 723 × 146 × 2 / 365 = 578.4 years.
1759539;1514470106;mircea_popescu;so it is not THAT useless.
1759540;1514470118;mircea_popescu;especially if esthlos comes up with some fast implementation
1759541;1514470333;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~iron~ aks may be worth something.
1759542;1514470338;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1759543;1514470346;asciilifeform;as in, ffa-width cpu.
1759544;1514470349;mircea_popescu;whole point of exercise was, slow, yes, but actually not slow enough to discard entirely out of hand
1759545;1514470353;asciilifeform;but nothing short of that.
1759546;1514470378;asciilifeform;dedicated primality tester ic would rock.
1759547;1514470394;mircea_popescu;the major advantage of ever seeing a log in the big O is that well... log promises very good returns at end tail!
1759548;1514470425;mircea_popescu;one of my favourite sights, i confess
1759549;1514470432;mircea_popescu;when a complexity calculation returns a result in logs.
1759550;1514470442;mircea_popescu;i know of no better example of a candidate miracle.
1759551;1514470459;asciilifeform;e.g. karatsuba
1759552;1514470489;asciilifeform;( imho 1 of the great finds of that century, no less )
1759553;1514470613;mircea_popescu;yup
1759554;1514470642;mircea_popescu;there's outright cleverness, like that guy's method to compute inside pi ; and then there's just sheer good fucking fortune, like karatsuba.
1759555;1514470738;asciilifeform;not clear why one 'cleverness' but other, 'fortune', could just as easily say the reverse
1759556;1514470818;mircea_popescu;nah. cleverness in humans is simply equivalent of what drunks call "a moment of lucidity", ie, stopped being indescribably fucking stupid for one god damned moment.
1759557;1514470872;mircea_popescu;it's quite fucking obvious that you don't need to computhe the 5th decimal of pi to compute the billionth, if you just put down the bottle for one moment.
1759558;1514470894;mircea_popescu;admittedly putting down bottle hard to do, all this self-determination and choice-having and gotta watch teh tv gets in the way. but anwyay.
1759559;1514471014;BingoBoingo;Eh, if one bottles right eventually surrender comes and choice having space narrows
1759560;1514471035;asciilifeform;that or cirrhosis
1759561;1514471069;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno if i did this before, but let's put it in the logs at the risk of repeating self.
1759562;1514471115;mircea_popescu;there's an imbecile's view of "intelligent design" being floated about (mostly by people who are looking for a strawman, and reconstructed by them for this purpose). here's the correct version :
1759563;1514471121;asciilifeform;let's. ( i'ma come to tea,  brb )
1759564;1514471196;mircea_popescu;human civilisation is entirely dependent on iron being present within its early environment. while it's true that iron is overwhelmingly abundant on earth, making up as it does 1/3 of it by mass, it is nevertheless also heavy enough to not be abundant on the surface. it is abundant in the core only. the surface iron comes from ancient collision with tinier earths that, like this one, had an iron-ish core, which core then ends
1759565;1514471196;mircea_popescu; up splashed all over this one's surface.
1759566;1514471209;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Cirrhosis is usually has acute and reversible alcoholic hepatits as a herald well in advance of cirrhosis, if not problem space still narrows
1759567;1514471222;mircea_popescu;now, those peoples that did have iron in the environment, flourished. those that did not, became the fuckign tupi, stuck forever in stone age.
1759568;1514471262;mircea_popescu;there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
1759569;1514471270;BingoBoingo;Eh, iron core's just global wanking conspiracy shit. Uranium core or bust!
1759570;1514471277;mircea_popescu;this is not a singular example, it is a pattern, and a pattern that VERY insistently repeats.
1759571;1514471315;mircea_popescu;for instance : there is NO REASON why general relativity should be tractable with (minor) extensions on infinitesimal calculus. in other words : there is NO REASON the gap between newton and einstein be narrow enough to be closed by a guy like einstein
1759572;1514471365;mircea_popescu;if you look at the history of the human thought, a certain sense of "stairwell" does become apparent -- they did x which suddenly made y feasible and guess what ? sooner or later (usually, later : see gunpowder steam engine and all the numerous examples we keep rehashing in logs) they'd y!
1759573;1514471388;mircea_popescu;now, from a strict probabilistic perspective, there's nothing evidently requiring ALL the god damned stairs to be one foot tall at the most. yet, they all are.
1759574;1514471417;mircea_popescu;evidently this is a matter of selected group, humanity only ever took thesteps it could take, so its whole stairwell will be bound by what a biosack shaped like human could overstep
1759575;1514471429;mircea_popescu;NEVERTHELESS!!! there are MANY!!! steps in this ladder, that all occured.
1759576;1514471449;mircea_popescu;at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you.
1759577;1514471492;mircea_popescu;this may be naturally occuring, of course. but if you choose to believe it's rather deliberately set-up, there's little in either res divinae or lit hum to impugn you with.
1759578;1514471513;mircea_popescu;(lit hum includes all sciences from agriculture to string theory + philosophy, for the record)
1759579;1514471867;mircea_popescu;(and evidently, if this is not evident, the argument is not limited to culture ; theory of evolution proposes a succession of steps to arrive to humanoid, that all similarily also happened. wel...)
1759580;1514472254;mircea_popescu;and since i mentioned that : religion simply means acknowledgement of one's betters. it's all it is, worthip of the superior.
1759581;1514472268;mircea_popescu;that's what "caesar was proclaimed god" means, to the roman mind.
1759582;1514472304;mircea_popescu;the necessary correlate of any functional republic, res divinae, the two together forming... a religion.
1759583;1514472330;mircea_popescu;which is WHY i kept chuckling at inept illiterate imbeciles herp-derping about "oh, a cult".
1759584;1514472351;mircea_popescu;turns out... it fucking helps having the letters, at the very least if you are intent on interacting with one who does.
1759585;1514472370;mircea_popescu;but aaanyways.
1759586;1514473346;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759571 << pretty wide gap, and was closed by buncha folx, see below,
1759587;1514473346;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:28 mircea_popescu: for instance : there is NO REASON why general relativity should be tractable with (minor) extensions on infinitesimal calculus. in other words : there is NO REASON the gap between newton and einstein be narrow enough to be closed by a guy like einstein
1759588;1514473366;mircea_popescu;yes, but wide in a certain limited sense.
1759589;1514473378;asciilifeform;einstein really gavinized minkowski and lorentz
1759590;1514473382;mircea_popescu;sort-of akin to running mt_rand on (0, infinity) and expecting results to fit a register.
1759591;1514473388;mircea_popescu;however wide that register may be...
1759592;1514473394;asciilifeform;this however is not the problem
1759593;1514473421;asciilifeform;problem is that the stairwell pov presupposes its conclusion. 'it happened, thereby it was the next step.' exactly 'newton sat down to discover'(tm)(r)
1759594;1514473436;asciilifeform;phakt : plenty of 'next steps' that apparently too tall. e.g. roomtemp supercon.
1759595;1514473437;mircea_popescu;(i deliberately said "a guy like einstein" to avoid the history discussion)
1759596;1514473448;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but read on.
1759597;1514473476;asciilifeform;or for that matter, usable maxwell. ( modern electronic design uses a narrowly restricted, i.e. sorta-fits-in-head special form of maxwell )
1759598;1514473481;asciilifeform;or i could go on.
1759599;1514473504;asciilifeform;and there's a reason we're talking over waveguide and not, say, entangletron
1759600;1514473507;asciilifeform;or, or.
1759601;1514473514;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but read on!!11
1759602;1514473546;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759576 << steps that are taller than the tallest man, look like walls, not steps
1759603;1514473546;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:30 mircea_popescu: at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you.
1759604;1514473564;mircea_popescu;sure.
1759605;1514473629;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759577 << if beelzebub made the levels for us to walk, he must be quite disappointed at the '% secrets' (think to 'doom'/'doom2' level endings, lol)
1759606;1514473629;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:31 mircea_popescu: this may be naturally occuring, of course. but if you choose to believe it's rather deliberately set-up, there's little in either res divinae or lit hum to impugn you with.
1759607;1514473647;mircea_popescu;aha!
1759608;1514473650;asciilifeform;plenty of what i suspect 'kindergarten-level' (in hindsight, like karatsuba) -- unsolved.
1759609;1514473662;mircea_popescu;he's stuck putting in there material we only reliably get log(n) of
1759610;1514473677;mircea_popescu;which is funny because foretold -- see euler's count of prime numbers.
1759611;1514473710;asciilifeform;'motherfuckers, i gave then such particle-like electrons, and they STILL dun have roomtemp supercon...'
1759612;1514473713;mircea_popescu;"for them to find four i gotta put in ten, and it gets worse as you go further"
1759613;1514473770;mircea_popescu;turns out that the first and perhaps only possible result of natural philosophy is to explain why divine anger is necessary and justified.
1759614;1514473781;mircea_popescu;"what if YOU had to make ten for every four ?"
1759615;1514473835;asciilifeform;divine anger was always the part that made sense to everybody. ( at least everybody other than the poor benighted http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748753 folx . )
1759616;1514473835;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
1759617;1514473845;asciilifeform;witness the gods pictured by tropical fuckwits
1759618;1514473899;asciilifeform;( though even there, in the slightly less 'female' folx, they had angry godz )
1759619;1514473915;mircea_popescu;aha
1759620;1514473930;*;mircea_popescu sings, "you would be angry too... if it happened... tooo yoooou"
1759621;1514474003;mircea_popescu;(as to domus and personal divinity -- slavegirls regularily apologize for "not having managed more". because it's true, the fundamental with a view to only interaction with the superior is built out of the vague regret of one's own insufficiency. da fuck else is there.)
1759622;1514474006;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 << speaking of this: nobody has anyfi re what earthling history could have looked like if... iridium, say, had been similarly available
1759623;1514474006;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
1759624;1514474034;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or BingoBoingo 's uranium. three heads, etcetera.
1759625;1514474039;asciilifeform;possibly proverbian alphacentaurian would spit, 'see, THIS is what happens when no surface iridium! they did not have the good fortune to meet the proper meteorites...'
1759626;1514474045;asciilifeform;*proverbial
1759627;1514474062;asciilifeform;uranium is actually quite common on planet3.
1759628;1514474064;mircea_popescu;(for the astrophysics noobs : material composition of any corner of space is determined by supernova/plain star proportion, which as best anyone can determine is the only true random variable in nature)
1759629;1514474074;asciilifeform;even on surface. ( that very same yellow sand in ro, from earlier threads. )
1759630;1514474092;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, and look at ro! lol.
1759631;1514474140;mircea_popescu;(reason earth is fulla iron is that gold needs a discretely different star to produce ; yes there's a continuous mass consideration involoved, but the results -- discretized)
1759632;1514475122;BingoBoingo;Ah, nuclear chemistry. Where integers make all the difference.
1759633;1514475154;mircea_popescu;anyway, for they clamoring for references -- the complete works of varro (such as they remain) are most instructive here.
1759634;1514475186;mircea_popescu;perfectly respectable anthropologist to this very day, in preference of most anyone ever born in an english speaking household, and certainly anyone born in the colonies.
1759635;1514475251;asciilifeform;iirc most of varro evaporated
1759636;1514475256;mircea_popescu;it did
1759637;1514475270;asciilifeform;suxx.
1759638;1514475283;mircea_popescu;god did not promise you get to keep all your napkins.
1759639;1514475290;asciilifeform;or any
1759640;1514475319;mircea_popescu;anyway, a lot of it is guessable on the basis of, mostly stoic re-write.
1759641;1514475345;mircea_popescu;the poets/philosophers/civil servants tripartite discussion of divinity most indicative.
1759642;1514475398;mircea_popescu;so in the same sense the french/swiss folk could almost-read unpublished newton on the basis of their own understanding of calculus...
1759643;1514475441;asciilifeform;that's sorta what made the 'natural philosophy' thing take off -- the realization that 'it's still there', whether or not newton bothers to publish
1759644;1514475451;mircea_popescu;aha
1759645;1514475597;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1759646;1514475604;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14328.86, vol: 18062.50528010 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14130.0, vol: 79070.56865041 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14352.1, vol: 4760.58484451 | Volume-weighted last average: 14175.6283124
1759647;1514475675;asciilifeform;!!key spyked
1759648;1514475676;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/0x541A976BB5FC4B455D7FBC61BDAE9D051A3D3B95.asc
1759649;1514475805;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch.spyked.sig
1759650;1514475806;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1759651;1514475821;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18457 << congrats to spyked , graduate of ffa ch1.
1759652;1514477069;*;mircea_popescu savagely fucked sleeping girl ; after which, taking advantage of well known property of dreams to be recountable if dreamer suddenly awakened, asked what she had been dreaming of.
1759653;1514477082;mircea_popescu;"i dunno... stupid...dating show...something."
1759654;1514477089;mircea_popescu;i advised her to be careful what she dreams of in the future.
1759655;1514477090;asciilifeform;but meanwhile, in historic loose ends , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758001 << how to square this with >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637609  ( summary : classical bitcoin permits ~modification of old blocks~ via the idjit 'tx replace' mechanism. even though -- as i understand -- it'd split the network if actually ever deployed. which it was not, not even in prb. but theoretically still permitted by the protocol. )
1759656;1514477090;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 17:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, v-tronization of blockchain is unavoidable.
1759657;1514477090;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 13:43 mircea_popescu: understand something about "declarations" in this vein : they themselves are an attack, if you can't universally enforce them. the us collapsed out of an attempt to declare that "they, not us, are the bad guys" without the actual strength to enforce this ; so did the soviet union, and so does every inept mother who tries to tell her kid what to do out of line.
1759658;1514477126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform republic has strength to enforce dunnit ?
1759659;1514477181;asciilifeform;driving uppity miners into bankruptcy, abatement of gavins, etc. is thus far mircea_popescu's dept.
1759660;1514477190;asciilifeform;afaik nobody else has got with-what.
1759661;1514477199;mircea_popescu;but the discussion here is merely "how to enforce a correct chain of patches"
1759662;1514477213;asciilifeform;patches yes. i was speaking of the blockchain-vchain parallel.
1759663;1514477227;mircea_popescu;it mearly meant this much, that it'd be a chain of patches.
1759664;1514477230;mircea_popescu;no moar.
1759665;1514477233;asciilifeform;which has currently a birth defect hole in it, the classical blockchain is not properly speaking immutable.
1759666;1514477247;mircea_popescu;software'd better not be immutable either, lest we're stuck with c.
1759667;1514477271;asciilifeform;history had better be immutable. lest we get stuck with having to undo c again and again forever.
1759668;1514477283;mircea_popescu;nature comes with a key shaped like that hole, it is called "apostasy is its own punishment".
1759669;1514477303;asciilifeform;it does. problem is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759431 .
1759670;1514477303;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 13:37 asciilifeform: it was always -ev, simply not on short enuff time scale.
1759671;1514477322;asciilifeform;recall the cousin-fucking thread.
1759672;1514477334;mircea_popescu;im not sure this is a problem. people use crapple os, an unsupported chain off the main v trunk as it is.
1759673;1514477373;mircea_popescu;there is no difference between a patch unsigned and another patch unsigned, much like there's no difference between a nobody "gerald davis" and the exact same nobody "gerard david"
1759674;1514477401;mircea_popescu;you know how many alt-mps the empire has summoned up as if it does something ?
1759675;1514477409;asciilifeform;'Федот, да не тот' (tm)(r)(aphorism)
1759676;1514477467;mircea_popescu;amusingly, da ne tot in romanian means "give us everything"
1759677;1514477473;asciilifeform;aha.
1759678;1514477484;asciilifeform;but classic 'false cognate' (lol, ~entire sentence made of'em)
1759679;1514477504;asciilifeform;this oughta be a genre...
1759680;1514477512;mircea_popescu;yeah, but not in english
1759681;1514477528;asciilifeform;uncle al had a german/english one
1759682;1514477530;asciilifeform;but it escapes me
1759683;1514477542;asciilifeform;( i remember 1 key word, 'also' )
1759684;1514477587;mircea_popescu;there's the buffalo item recently in trilema...
1759685;1514477592;asciilifeform;afaik german is the only living lang close-enuff to stand a chance of working like this with eng
1759686;1514477698;mircea_popescu;yea
1759687;1514477914;BingoBoingo;The terror in people's eyes here when they talk of their trouble with "phrasal verbs"
1759688;1514478003;BingoBoingo;It is like when I get surprised with yet another species of past tense
1759689;1514478035;mircea_popescu;"tense" being nonsense in the first place. time + aspect, learn grammar properly if at all.
1759690;1514478643;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/28/three-week-in-montevideo-superpowers-and-handicaps-of-the-extranjero-engaged-in-long-term-hostel-living/ << Bingo Blog - Three Week In Montevideo: Superpowers and Handicaps of The Extranjero Engaged in Long Term Hostel Living
1759691;1514478684;BingoBoingo;Pls to point out typos por favor
1759692;1514478700;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it piqued by the >> is piqued   ?
1759693;1514478727;BingoBoingo;gracias asciilifeform
1759694;1514478731;asciilifeform;mised gender crowd >> mixed ?
1759695;1514478751;asciilifeform;disabiguate >> disambiguate ?
1759696;1514478761;asciilifeform;comb the thing yerself BingoBoingo , this one was typed on ipad or wat.
1759697;1514478790;asciilifeform;or aspell -a  etc.
1759698;1514478853;asciilifeform;Yo se yo puedo tener hambre >> yo se que yo pudo....
1759699;1514478878;asciilifeform;ward of delusions >> off ?
1759700;1514478880;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Typed on exhausted brain. Breaking down the language barrier, exhausting.
1759701;1514478886;BingoBoingo;Brb, spellcheck
1759702;1514478888;asciilifeform;i'ma relent nao, srsly
1759703;1514478902;asciilifeform;*puedo
1759704;1514479257;BingoBoingo;updated post spell check
1759705;1514479837;ben_vulpes;holy log already
1759706;1514479987;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759407 << phf pasted me some emacs erc (irc client) auth scriptage way back in the gribble days which got him a rating, and trinque and i'd been drinking together in meatland, and hanging in previously a mentioned pantsuit hellhole irc channel and ricocheted off #b-a a few times (at my insistence iirc) before it stuck
1759707;1514479987;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 13:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758896 << i have this vague memory that both phf and trinque were originally introduced in this sense by ben_vulpes ; whereas you were introduced similarily by hanbot. by comparison the pantsuit "evidently correct & only method" of herdemocracy has produced a whole lot of indiancandies and other self-choice delusionists.
1759708;1514480045;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes was here before asciilifeform , i think, and in the era prior to proper logging, so i have nfi where he came from
1759709;1514480071;ben_vulpes;nah, kakologs were in place before i showed up
1759710;1514480086;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1759711;1514480133;asciilifeform;!#born ben_vulpes
1759712;1514480141;asciilifeform;^ phf et al : pheature req ?
1759713;1514480175;phf;it was literally the case of "milord, i made this basket from only finest of twigs, for your misses. ... bless you, milord"
1759714;1514480192;asciilifeform;lol
1759715;1514480200;ben_vulpes;lol i stuck my head into bitcointalk.org for all of ten minutes before i found hanbot's legendary piece and jumped to #b-a
1759716;1514480232;*;asciilifeform possibly was the only 1 who skipped tardstalk entirely
1759717;1514480265;phf;asciilifeform: no, i ultimately came here by way of loper-os
1759718;1514480277;asciilifeform;ah hm
1759719;1514480312;asciilifeform;afaik phf is currently the all-star champ from that group
1759720;1514480317;asciilifeform;the rest, variously, went mad
1759721;1514480337;asciilifeform;( or simply failed to reach takeoff velocity )
1759722;1514480392;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Which legendary piece of hanbot's? There were many.
1759723;1514480412;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: you know i just went looking for a "best of MPOE-PR" and didn't find one
1759724;1514480426;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there's a mirror of the collection on mircea_popescu's www
1759725;1514480449;asciilifeform;lessee if he digs up the link when he wakes up
1759726;1514480557;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/
1759727;1514480564;asciilifeform;^ding^
1759728;1514480903;phf;so it looks like i started reading loper-os in 2008 or so
1759729;1514481053;*;asciilifeform meanwhile was watching zoolag sync, 'hmm 10min from nao' turned into hour+, and still 10blox behind. culprit seems to be a combo of 'everybody else is lagging' and 'flooded with mempool crud, and as result , not spending enuff time disconnecting unproductives and pushgetblocks()ing with novel peers'
1759730;1514481208;BingoBoingo;brb, me voy a immersion
1759731;1514481292;BingoBoingo; !#born ben_vulpes << This would understate his age because, nick change
1759732;1514481304;asciilifeform;fine, so #!born benkey
1759733;1514481308;BingoBoingo;Similar for undata/trinque
1759734;1514481311;asciilifeform;benkay
1759735;1514481321;asciilifeform;alert reader (tm)(r) oughta know.
1759736;1514481328;BingoBoingo;OMG I'll stop transmitting my contagious typos
1759737;1514481340;BingoBoingo;me voy ahora para immerse
1759738;1514481347;phf;!#vulpes
1759739;1514481347;a111;to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run
1759740;1514481353;asciilifeform;lol
1759741;1514481678;ben_vulpes;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1336919#msg1336919 << ere it is
1759742;1514481714;asciilifeform;oh hah i thought that www croaked long ago
1759743;1514481751;ben_vulpes;nah, couldn't possibly cost more to run than it enables people to scam
1759744;1514481932;*;asciilifeform currently puzzling over 'motherfuckers, e.g. deedbot is 501444-high, why is it physically possible for zoolag to have open connection to it and yet sit at 501436 for 20+ min' 
1759745;1514481989;ben_vulpes;i imagine it's in your addnode set?
1759746;1514481994;asciilifeform;that does 0
1759747;1514481997;asciilifeform;remember.
1759748;1514482019;ben_vulpes;well at boot you pushgetblocks to everyone you connect to
1759749;1514482044;asciilifeform;i run with aggression ( from this point on i will run NO nodes without aggression ) so boot time is irrelevant
1759750;1514482074;phf;!#born benkey
1759751;1514482080;ben_vulpes;processmessage, right right
1759752;1514482086;asciilifeform;phf: benkay
1759753;1514482097;phf;!#born benkay
1759754;1514482097;a111;2013-02-10  i'm waiting for the developing world to figure it out
1759755;1514482101;mod6;im running with alf's aggression now too.
1759756;1514482106;asciilifeform;phf: neato!!
1759757;1514482122;asciilifeform;!#born asciilifeform
1759758;1514482122;a111;2013-02-02  mircea_popescu: working on it
1759759;1514482125;phf;i think that maybe it should also return a link to original, or maybe post more than one line
1759760;1514482132;asciilifeform;a yes
1759761;1514482141;asciilifeform;link .
1759762;1514482153;phf;!#born phf
1759763;1514482153;a111;2014-03-20  not quite
1759764;1514482159;mod6;im at ~500351 -- getting close to full-sync.  hoping to get it there so can have mine on the republican list.  will let you know how it goes with 'aggression'
1759765;1514482213;mod6;!#born mod6
1759766;1514482213;a111;2012-08-17  hai
1759767;1514482232;mod6;heheh
1759768;1514482257;asciilifeform;mod6: when i think about shitoshi's idiocy that 'aggression' replaces, i froth with rage. the sheer stink of winblowzism, 'let's all run nodes for 2h a day after booting winblowz to play whorecraft-III, boot time is sooospeshul'
1759769;1514482311;*;asciilifeform feels quite like fool for not having patched it in first opening salvo after genesis
1759770;1514482348;asciilifeform;aaaand...
1759771;1514482359;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! zoolag -- seems to be at tip of the chain.
1759772;1514482369;mod6;ah, cool.
1759773;1514482370;asciilifeform;mod6 plox to re-add zoolag to trb roster.
1759774;1514482383;asciilifeform;trinque , mircea_popescu , et al ^^
1759775;1514482390;mod6;Sure, what's the IP nowadays?
1759776;1514482405;asciilifeform;same as previously
1759777;1514482421;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694288
1759778;1514482421;a111;Logged on 2017-08-05 21:11 asciilifeform: zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 .
1759779;1514482507;mod6;Ah, cheers.
1759780;1514482534;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1317 << man...
1759781;1514482608;asciilifeform;the bulldog-rhinoceros hybrid of having both pushes and pulls, is quite nonsensical
1759782;1514482623;asciilifeform;pushing dun do much for a trb node, who needs at any given time THAT ONE SPECIFIC NEXT block
1759783;1514482630;asciilifeform;( any other, is either old, or an orphan )
1759784;1514482665;asciilifeform;99.99999%+ of what gets 'pushed' to a trb node, is thrown straight into the rubbish
1759785;1514482675;asciilifeform;( incl. tx )
1759786;1514482688;asciilifeform;cuz 'no se fia'
1759787;1514482706;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490595 )
1759788;1514482706;a111;Logged on 2016-06-25 23:48 a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:34 deedbot: [Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
1759789;1514482870;asciilifeform;in mostly but not wholly-unrelated noose, asciilifeform searched the market for little lcd thing one could plug into usb jack, to have trbtron display height at all times while it sits on the shelf. but TO THIS DAY none exist that cost less than THE FUCKING MACHINE lol
1759790;1514482899;asciilifeform;and not because display expensive -- i have e.g. chinese usb 'watt meter' dongle with display, that cost iirc 3bux
1759791;1514482907;asciilifeform;simply because apparently 'no demand'
1759792;1514482913;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/12/28/the-little-elf-that-saved-christmas/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The little Elf that saved Christmas.
1759793;1514482930;asciilifeform;^ next: the little pe that saved christmas
1759794;1514482940;asciilifeform;( and was it a 32-bit or 64- elf... )
1759795;1514482988;asciilifeform;'The Apple TV was connected to a Bose CineMate soundbar via Optical Audio connection but the Bose system was in indeterminable working condition. For reasons beyond the pale of explanation or sanity, the Bose system didn’t have any physical buttons on it. Not for power, not for volume, not for anything.' << lol!!
1759796;1514483015;asciilifeform;'When AirPlaying from each of them, however, Netflix would throw “Error 30103″ every goddam time' << ahahaha
1759797;1514483017;asciilifeform;poor pete_dushenski
1759798;1514483089;shinohai;heh https://1209k.com/bp/
1759799;1514483102;asciilifeform;wassat
1759800;1514483118;shinohai;a prb chain paradise!
1759801;1514483122;asciilifeform;snoar
1759802;1514483150;shinohai;saves me from having to run the trash myself, im poor!
1759803;1514483284;asciilifeform;saves how ?
1759804;1514483360;shinohai;if i am curious to know what height the btrash is at, etc
1759805;1514483374;asciilifeform;no shortage of www frontends for those iirc
1759806;1514483399;shinohai;well certainly not
1759807;1514483523;asciilifeform;meanwhile zoolag, a machine the size of a man's fist, not only has 0 problem keeping up with tip of spear, but slightly pacing ahead of, e.g., bci & co
1759808;1514483613;asciilifeform;( however, possibly it is , to be fair, on an uncharacteristically decent, for plebelands, pipe . )
1759809;1514483829;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << updated with zoolag
1759810;1514483834;asciilifeform;ty mod6 !
1759811;1514483840;mod6;np
1759812;1514484275;phf;asciilifeform: zoolag running with your new patches?
1759813;1514484279;asciilifeform;aha
1759814;1514484287;asciilifeform;well just that 1
1759815;1514484301;asciilifeform;born from classical 'makefiles' (via mod6)
1759816;1514484306;asciilifeform;see also phf's chart!
1759817;1514484427;phf;!#born phf
1759818;1514484427;a111;Logged on 2014-03-20 22:39 phf: not quite
1759819;1514484451;phf;!#born phf
1759820;1514484451;a111;2014-03-20  not quite
1759821;1514484495;asciilifeform;canhaz links?
1759822;1514485039;phf;lesse
1759823;1514485042;phf;!#born phf
1759824;1514485042;a111;2014-03-20  not quite
1759825;1514485042;a111;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-20#570859
1759826;1514485054;asciilifeform;whynot on same line, like log refs
1759827;1514485064;asciilifeform;keep the 1:1 eaten:shat rule for bots
1759828;1514485095;phf;i think deedbot spits two entries sometimes with the wallet functionality
1759829;1514485101;asciilifeform;troo
1759830;1514485131;asciilifeform;how about, e.g.: 'http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-20#570859 : Logged on: 2014-03-20  not quite'
1759831;1514485131;a111;Logged on 2014-03-20 22:39 phf: not quite
1759832;1514485139;phf;yeah
1759833;1514485174;phf;but the main reason is that i realized that cl-irc probably doesn't properly split lines, which needs to be solved
1759834;1514485221;phf;which i think is a problem in quoter, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758552
1759835;1514485221;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 19:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them
1759836;1514485242;phf;missing "atever, bucnha them"
1759837;1514485264;phf;but i'm not sure that i want it to spit that extra bit, even though it's missing, hmm...
1759838;1514485361;phf;aaaand since i don't want to think about any of this shit right now, you get a multiline born until i get to it :>
1759839;1514485543;asciilifeform;still quiteuseful.
1759840;1514485819;ben_vulpes;"Few things here appear to be more rare or valuable than persons capable and willing to deploy humiliation, particularly the necessary educational sort." << word
1759841;1514485825;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "gansta roll"
1759842;1514487975;phf;!!key spyked
1759843;1514487977;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/0x541A976BB5FC4B455D7FBC61BDAE9D051A3D3B95.asc
1759844;1514488137;phf;asciilifeform: sigs up
1759845;1514488143;asciilifeform;phf: ty!
1759846;1514489051;phf;asciilifeform: https://www.patreon.com/xahlee
1759847;1514489173;asciilifeform;nao if only d00d had a key!!
1759848;1514489182;asciilifeform;because as-is, i've nfi who that is.
1759849;1514489199;asciilifeform;'shakespeare or some other man by that name'
1759850;1514489516;asciilifeform;in other oddities: 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range       \nCInv::GetCommand() : type=1073741825 unknown type       \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage()       \n'
1759851;1514489535;asciilifeform;^ nonfatal eggog, but interestingly not caught by malleus, and afaik not previously seen
1759852;1514489547;asciilifeform;#!s type=1073741825
1759853;1514489551;asciilifeform;!#s type=1073741825
1759854;1514489551;a111;2 results for "type=1073741825", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=type%3D1073741825
1759855;1514489650;asciilifeform;^ if anybody knows what kind of prb generates these, and for what, plox to write in.
1759856;1514489683;asciilifeform;( i suspect an attempted overflow exploit, against something-or-other )
1759857;1514492835;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 3: Miller-Rabin Implementation
1759858;1514493236;phf;diana_coman: i think there might be an issue with your ch3
1759859;1514493250;diana_coman;I just noticed the weird graph; any idea what?
1759860;1514493261;diana_coman;I tested it locally with v and v99 and everything pressed fine
1759861;1514493281;diana_coman;it does modify a lot of things so it's seen as having antecedents ch1, ch2 and the mpi-fix iirc
1759862;1514493285;diana_coman;is that the trouble?
1759863;1514493290;diana_coman;phf, ^
1759864;1514493339;phf;so the weird graph indicates that some hunks are missing antecedents, in this case at least test_mpi.c is claiming a previous version that's not in btcbase
1759865;1514493340;phf;7E38475A32331EA69EE91A211E803910503868710D1E140179CB4B9B7C3767B9334BABE713D8E721F6E616A5FD5012ED19791D12CF2EAD59C5DAC437688E0B2C
1759866;1514493351;diana_coman;I've updated the reference shelf phf, maybe you are missing the previous patch? http://www.dianacoman.com/reference-code-shelf/
1759867;1514493383;phf;ah, the fix copy thing!
1759868;1514493476;phf;diana_coman: is working now, ty
1759869;1514493558;diana_coman;thank you, phf!
1759870;1514493790;danielpbarron;!!up pint
1759871;1514493791;deedbot;pint voiced for 30 minutes.
1759872;1514494243;phf;!!up pint
1759873;1514494243;deedbot;pint voiced for 30 minutes.
1759874;1514497066;phf;asciilifeform: http://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/355219-valeriy-bardin-istoriya-cheloveka-prisoedinivshego-sssr-k-seti
1759875;1514497489;trinque;that was odd.
1759876;1514497517;trinque;Connection reset by peer << aha
1759877;1514497656;trinque;!!up mircea_popescu
1759878;1514497657;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1759879;1514497679;mircea_popescu;hm
1759880;1514497684;trinque;bot was getting disconnected due to mysterytube reasons. your pm !!up might work now
1759881;1514497690;mircea_popescu;lessee
1759882;1514498723;ben_vulpes;did we do http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42505261 yet?
1759883;1514498797;phf;^ http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759378
1759884;1514498797;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 03:31 shinohai: http://archive.is/vAfjT   <<< now THIS is the lulziest thing, to me, of the entire week.
1759885;1514498817;ben_vulpes;that's right
1759886;1514498900;mircea_popescu;lol the pantsuit spamsites just recycle the same "content" ? who couldve...
1759887;1514499056;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759713 << lol.
1759888;1514499056;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 16:56 phf: it was literally the case of "milord, i made this basket from only finest of twigs, for your misses. ... bless you, milord"
1759889;1514499106;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759720 << nah, apeloyee character also from there iirc.
1759890;1514499106;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 16:58 asciilifeform: the rest, variously, went mad
1759891;1514499150;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759732 << but how are you to know.
1759892;1514499150;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 17:15 asciilifeform: fine, so #!born benkey
1759893;1514499158;mircea_popescu;also, simply !~from:benkay and go to last page.
1759894;1514499192;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-02-10#-130013
1759895;1514499192;a111;Logged on 2013-02-10 04:08 benkay: i'm waiting for the developing world to figure it out
1759896;1514499375;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759782 << yes, pushdata is nonsensical model for bitcoin nodes.
1759897;1514499375;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 17:37 asciilifeform: pushing dun do much for a trb node, who needs at any given time THAT ONE SPECIFIC NEXT block
1759898;1514499394;mircea_popescu;works ok for eg torrents, where all data is needed once in no particular order, but blockchain is not torrent.
1759899;1514499489;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759788 << o shit that was one helluva slum.
1759900;1514499489;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 17:38 a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:48 a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:34 deedbot: [Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
1759901;1514499664;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759799 << some dood, "fireduck"
1759902;1514499664;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 17:45 asciilifeform: wassat
1759903;1514499708;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759827 << the rule is "one line response" and yes
1759904;1514499708;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 18:17 asciilifeform: keep the 1:1 eaten:shat rule for bots
1759905;1514499785;mircea_popescu;motherfucking patreon
1759906;1514499810;mircea_popescu;i am personally insulted by all the useless fuckwits with patreon profiles because unlike the useless fuckwits a la say rms, they MOVED THERE AFTER THE REPUBLIC.
1759907;1514499833;mircea_popescu;this is like "keybase" except more offensive.
1759908;1514499856;danielpbarron;i had that earlier today, went to #somechannel saying i want to sponsor show. they give me patreon link
1759909;1514499904;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759851 << modern prb. "it just segfaulted, man"
1759910;1514499904;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 19:32 asciilifeform: ^ nonfatal eggog, but interestingly not caught by malleus, and afaik not previously seen
1759911;1514499935;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron idiots gotta idiot, they're not fucking dedicated to ANYTHING like they';re dedicated to the maintenance and perpetuation of the empire of idiocy.
1759912;1514499944;mircea_popescu;seething fucking burning hatred already, jesus f.
1759913;1514499985;danielpbarron;they also gave me a gmail address, for what that's worth. i'm like "what's wrong with doing it right here??"
1759914;1514500015;mircea_popescu;no conception of anything is what's wrong.
1759915;1514500117;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759874 << whoa check out how deep the forbes subversion goes, they actually hired one who knows enough of ru society to "fall upon his house".
1759916;1514500117;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 21:37 phf: asciilifeform: http://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/355219-valeriy-bardin-istoriya-cheloveka-prisoedinivshego-sssr-k-seti
1759917;1514500150;mircea_popescu;putting the usd and euro "values" as if they existed or mattered up top is one thing. but this, thbis is liek moar skill and ability than seen from usg in 20 years.
1759918;1514500208;mircea_popescu;ahahahahaah
1759919;1514500211;mircea_popescu;ooomfg holy shit...
1759920;1514500247;mircea_popescu;"Или думаешь, что вырвешься. Потому что эти несколько лет вдруг прервутся сообщением — «Бардин умер». Вас также может заинтересовать..."
1759921;1514500268;mircea_popescu;im going to make this the permanent reference endpoint to that entire story of how sane language protects the speaker from idiocy as a passive aura.
1759922;1514500479;mircea_popescu;especially fabuous as the "you may also be interested in" bullshit is liek "virtualnoe bezdele rabotodateli rasplachivayutsya za internet SERFING" under "karera i svoy biznes". AS FUCKING IF!
1759923;1514500543;mircea_popescu;"the computing centers, tired of routine, seized the novelty" holy crap. moscow station last functional usg item, defo.
1759924;1514502107;shinohai;I missed the pantsuit drama yesterday http://archive.is/bpJUc
1759925;1514502182;mircea_popescu;lol all the self important "i'll read something else". really bitch ? what will you read, trilema ?
1759926;1514502212;mircea_popescu;as if there's fucking options at their level. "oh, i am destitute but have options!!1"
1759927;1514502266;mircea_popescu;"daniel is a bot" "how can you tell it's a bot ?" "because i don;t like what it says, but let's veil this into some numerology considerations". hurr.
1759928;1514503561;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759857 << oh hey hey hey lbj!!
1759929;1514503561;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 20:27 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 3: Miller-Rabin Implementation
1759930;1514503572;*;asciilifeform puts ^item on read-conveyor
1759931;1514503737;shinohai;"'Cryptocurrency enthusiast and cybersecurity pioneer John McAfee has claimed that his Twitter account was compromised by an unknown offender who used his social media account to fraudulently promote “undervalued” digital coins.'
1759932;1514503747;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759874 >> 'России на этой встрече предложили оплатить взнос в группу, сообразно размеру сети. И выяснилось, что Россия (напомню, 90-е годы, денег нет ни у кого и никаких) должна заплатить больше, чем Англия, Франция и Германия вм
1759933;1514503747;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 21:37 phf: asciilifeform: http://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/355219-valeriy-bardin-istoriya-cheloveka-prisoedinivshego-sssr-k-seti
1759934;1514503747;asciilifeform;есте взятые. Бардин взял слово и заявил, что заплатить согласен, но если деньги будут потрачены согласно уставу организации — на доведение уровня развития реципиентов бюджета до уровня доноров. И если Англия с Францией на эти деньги будут
1759935;1514503750;asciilifeform; рушить мосты и ломать дороги, то мы, конечно, оплатим. Англия с Францией подумали, и претензии к России умерили.' << i had nfi
1759936;1514503906;asciilifeform;'russia [at eu unix user group] was invited to pay a membership due in proportion to its network size. it turned out that russia (remember, '90s, nobody's got any kind of moneys whatsoever) must pay more than england, france, and germany put together. bardin took the stage and proclaimed that he is ready to pay, but only if the money will be used in accordance with the organization's charter -- to bring the development level of the r
1759937;1514503907;asciilifeform;ecipients to that of the donor's. and if england and france will put this money to use to demolish bridges and bread down roads, then we of course will pay. england and france thought about it, and their dispute with russia died down.'
1759938;1514503934;asciilifeform;*break down
1759939;1514504015;asciilifeform;'Наверное, до конца своих дней Валера Бардин остался советским человеком — мне кажется, он не умел делать вещи, полезные лично ему, или какой-то отдельной группе. Всем. Или никому. Мы все когда-то были такими. Мы. Люди из уничтоженной страны.
1759940;1514504015;asciilifeform;И, может быть, еще будем. Может быть это именно то, чему стоило учиться у Валерия Бардина. Когда он был.' <<
1759941;1514504096;asciilifeform;'perhaps, to the end of his days, valeriy bardin remained a soviet man -- it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody. we all once were like this. us. people from a destroyed country. and, perhaps, will be again. perhaps this was specifically the thing which was worth learning from valeriy bardin. when he was still there.'
1759942;1514504132;mircea_popescu;see ?
1759943;1514504138;mircea_popescu;epic fucking piece.
1759944;1514504143;*;asciilifeform pulls out imaginary notebook and tried to predict, before eating rest of log, how mircea_popescu barfed
1759945;1514504149;*;mircea_popescu waves at the moscow usg residentura.
1759946;1514504236;asciilifeform;ok, ate the log, but puzzled
1759947;1514504240;asciilifeform;what's in it for the rezidentura
1759948;1514504241;*;mircea_popescu is also happy at how diana_coman 's code veers towards literate style. you've seen this phf ?
1759949;1514504257;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fate of the lost is that they continue at their level of skill.
1759950;1514504269;asciilifeform;i still dungetit, is there hoap
1759951;1514504273;mircea_popescu;kinda why lemures/spectra/etc were scary to teh romans.
1759952;1514504290;asciilifeform;it reads like a genuine obit by a genuine man of a genuine man..
1759953;1514504296;mircea_popescu;these are the spirits of the dead, unsatiated, restless, unburied.
1759954;1514504303;mircea_popescu;they attained no closure, yet can't go.
1759955;1514504332;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759922 << and yes it's plastered in spamola. confession : until today asciilifeform did not know there WAS a ru forbes
1759956;1514504332;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 22:34 mircea_popescu: especially fabuous as the "you may also be interested in" bullshit is liek "virtualnoe bezdele rabotodateli rasplachivayutsya za internet SERFING" under "karera i svoy biznes". AS FUCKING IF!
1759957;1514504347;asciilifeform;what's next, a ru nyt ? wapo?
1759958;1514504358;asciilifeform;radio phree europe!111
1759959;1514504391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you read "it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody. we all once were like this. us. people from a destroyed country" other than a) a retcon of history (soviet man EMINENTLY was never like this,. but like the opposite of this) and b) "please please please let there be no republc please" rendered in prolix sty
1759960;1514504391;mircea_popescu;le ?
1759961;1514504414;asciilifeform;i'ma let mircea_popescu guess
1759962;1514504443;asciilifeform;( spoiler: nope )
1759963;1514504455;mircea_popescu;forbes ru exists to lend credence to the empty notion that forbes is a thing, which is no different from the proposition best-bitcoin-mining-trading-info-near-you-australia.s3.amazonaws.com is a thing.
1759964;1514504478;asciilifeform;if it's a usg.op, it's to prop up the rest of the forbes liquishit with this eminently respectable piece.
1759965;1514504478;mircea_popescu;and the dollar is "quoted" in rubles to propose that anyone would ever want to buy some.
1759966;1514504500;mircea_popescu;and the piece is OF a respectable man, but not by a respectable man, though the quality of the masquerade is indeed high.
1759967;1514504526;asciilifeform;i dun see it. because, guesswat, asciilifeform is exactly same type of man .
1759968;1514504528;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i seem to think parts of dead frog behave more convincingly than other parts.
1759969;1514504535;mircea_popescu;eg, the salted leg in moscow jumps!
1759970;1514504542;phf;zavalashin is another old timer, the piece in question is his only contribution to forbse
1759971;1514504562;asciilifeform;and i unzip and piss on the other type of man. the ones who tried to alchemize and monopolize the unix src, described in $article.
1759972;1514504575;mircea_popescu;but the point is not that.
1759973;1514504584;mircea_popescu;the point is really, "soviet man didn't know how to support a group" ?
1759974;1514504590;mircea_popescu;which soviet i never saw was this ?!
1759975;1514504599;asciilifeform;the point is apparently that the paragraph where item falls down for mircea_popescu , is where it... stands up for asciilifeform
1759976;1514504645;mircea_popescu;well then, explain this to me.
1759977;1514504650;asciilifeform;essence is, i think, that d00d did not charge-for-sunlight and didn't think much of people who tried.
1759978;1514504661;mircea_popescu;like, let's have an example of any item, mechanism, anything recognizably soviet that worked as described.
1759979;1514504671;asciilifeform;and this was respectable, and respected. it was ~ideal~ of 'sov man', not necessarily life.
1759980;1514504688;mircea_popescu;man at shop where they don't hjave meat said, "well, if there's not enough meat for the whole queue, i take no meat" ?
1759981;1514504691;mircea_popescu;did this occur anywhere ?
1759982;1514504694;asciilifeform;y'know, like http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 is idea.
1759983;1514504694;a111;Logged on 2014-04-25 20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg
1759984;1514504696;asciilifeform;*ideal
1759985;1514504707;mircea_popescu;but this isn't in any sense what's said.
1759986;1514504709;asciilifeform;fughet about the meat counter and the Official claptrap.
1759987;1514504712;asciilifeform;it's a religious ideal.
1759988;1514504712;phf;there's soviets that read "ponedelnik nachinayetsa..." and took it to heart, they proped up the rest of the charade. that's the ideal soviet man, that products of intelligentsia parents like ascii or myself talk about. it is obviously a chimera, but it still has a mythical value
1759989;1514504716;asciilifeform;like the dervish.
1759990;1514504732;mircea_popescu;phf which is why this dude is trying to help forbes sell.
1759991;1514504763;mircea_popescu;it's what we expect to see, isn't it ? usg is specifically the empire of "there's a difference between what is and what you want to see, and we live out of selling that"
1759992;1514504766;asciilifeform;it's not an ideal of the office plankton, of the обыватель ( ~burgher ) mushmind, no. it is ideal of the man of science.
1759993;1514504787;phf;i suspect this dude doesn't have any kind of apropriate venue to publish an obituary that he expects to be read by a lot of people. that's sort of the point of obituary, is to get any random reddit man to scratch his head
1759994;1514504789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the ideal of the soviet man of science is that until such a time as every last soviet citizen can follow brin the elder, no brin the elder should speak ?
1759995;1514504796;mircea_popescu;no child left behind was the soviet ideal ? really ?
1759996;1514504804;mircea_popescu;i guess i should read less russian and more clintonian.
1759997;1514504812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is no actual connection between your map and the territory. it's dust on yer lens.
1759998;1514504814;mircea_popescu;phf entirely not true.
1759999;1514504822;mircea_popescu;the point of an obituary is to satisfy the spirit of the departed.
1760000;1514504829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where ?
1760001;1514504870;asciilifeform;where 'no child left behind' even enters yer mind.
1760002;1514504873;asciilifeform;0 connection.
1760003;1514504884;mircea_popescu;phf by the time you write obituaries "istos plausus, cum popularibus civibus tribuerentur", you have already done the deed, and now work for forbes.
1760004;1514504907;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what does "it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody." mean here in your reading ?
1760005;1514504950;asciilifeform;item ain't about socialist fungus robbing mircea_popescu's gold to pay iq80 scum to breed. item is about a man of science who 'acted from causes, not purposes' and did not think 'hey i can't monetize 'principia', i'd better not newtonate'
1760006;1514504972;mircea_popescu;consider specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757902
1760007;1514504972;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
1760008;1514504986;mircea_popescu;does this meet your criteria for " he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group" ?
1760009;1514505010;asciilifeform;sure does. and i , and e.g. phf, are alive because of kurchatov. moar directly than from penicillin etc.
1760010;1514505042;mircea_popescu;(note that i ~can~ both follow and support the reading of the man's words that'd permit you to say "Yes" ; however it'd be very much a sopirla, and well distant from what "plain reading" delivers.)
1760011;1514505054;mircea_popescu;ie, the illiterate 20something reader will read something else.
1760012;1514505078;asciilifeform;now this i cannot touch, i have deeply nfi what sort of cockroaches are chittering in typical '20something reader'.
1760013;1514505118;mircea_popescu;but!
1760014;1514505132;mircea_popescu;think : kurchatov eminently supported a primitive republic AGAINST "everyone".
1760015;1514505141;mircea_popescu;what he did was IN SPITE of the politruk, not for the politruk.
1760016;1514505145;asciilifeform;nobody alive actually 'for everyone'.
1760017;1514505149;mircea_popescu;he created a partition over the statal space, and choose some bits.
1760018;1514505153;asciilifeform;nobody outside of psych ward, at any rate.
1760019;1514505158;mircea_popescu;yes, but this is directly contradicting the words.
1760020;1514505178;mircea_popescu;here, i have a soviet joke for you :
1760021;1514505278;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was once director of insane asylum. moscow inspectors came to examine ivan bonapartii napoleonovich, a celebrated nutcase. ivan said "einstein is a jew, because his theories privilege the speed of light in preference of other speeds that are much more important to us" and asciilifeform brought ivan a cup of tea.
1760022;1514505295;mircea_popescu;at the inspector's puzzled query, asciilifeform responded "it's clear he meant tea rather than coffee by that request".
1760023;1514505304;asciilifeform;lol
1760024;1514505347;mircea_popescu;the story would work just as well but better with the coffee/tea switched, but i did it this way in memory of the master nikolay pushkin.
1760025;1514505356;mircea_popescu;now let's not make cluj cabbage of everything else too!
1760026;1514505420;asciilifeform;possibly the 'Всем.' will make moarsense in light of the sov mythos where, e.g., pygmies in the jungle still in the end will win from newton publishing 'principia', because one day They Too will want to learn mechanics and build railways and so forth.
1760027;1514505451;mircea_popescu;the argument is not that usian socialism is utterly and entirely disjunct from soviet socialism
1760028;1514505458;mircea_popescu;"in the absolute ideals spehre" or however formulated
1760029;1514505470;mircea_popescu;at the very least because, obviously, no two things man-made can be entirely disjunct thereby.
1760030;1514505502;mircea_popescu;nevertheless! the "genuine similarity" as one might in sufficient analysis passes unearth, is spurious when compared to the evident construction and its evident goals.
1760031;1514505572;asciilifeform;the argument , in asciilifeform's reading, is that bardin was a Troo Man Of Science (tm)(r) , liek the fella who starved in the seed collection in sieged leningrad. i.e. instead of going to sell soap and getrichquick(tm) in 'cooperatives', blackmarketeering, misc. adventurism, d00d sat and built up usenet node in su. collected unix src into a working whole, and did not try to gatekeeper. etc
1760032;1514505607;mircea_popescu;as i said, i can see this reading ; but it is entirely not what the text says.
1760033;1514505624;mircea_popescu;what, fellow could not have used his language to say what he meant, i am to reconstruct the dinosaur out of half tooth ?
1760034;1514505631;*;asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's reading is equally martian to, e.g., phf , as to asciilifeform 
1760035;1514505644;asciilifeform;i suspect that mircea_popescu lacks the '#includes'
1760036;1514505656;phf;it is, hence my comment about "ponedelnik"
1760037;1514505660;asciilifeform;aha!!
1760038;1514505681;mircea_popescu;well, so it's martian, happens. not like it's mandatory or anything ; but might be informative. or not.
1760039;1514505682;asciilifeform;it slipped by me, ah
1760040;1514505686;asciilifeform;but phf has it , yes
1760041;1514505727;phf;but there's a point there, which is not necessarily about the man, but about the author. the selling forbes part, which i think is true. bulk of su intelligentsia went full "progressive" after the collapse
1760042;1514505741;asciilifeform;they also went, and to this day are, where the food bowl is.
1760043;1514505749;asciilifeform;like street animals.
1760044;1514505755;mircea_popescu;the other direct avenue, of course, is to say "text was a lot better as author submitted it, before forbes"ru" chiseled it into visible shape". which for all i know might even be true,
1760045;1514505758;asciilifeform;and like in any other, for that matter, country.
1760046;1514505785;mircea_popescu;god knows nobody has YET written a piece for the usg faux news outlets that survived braindamaging at time of packaging (and some truly eminent examples documented by various parties)
1760047;1514505806;asciilifeform;i dun even see this supposed forbes-massage.
1760048;1514505811;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so then there's no substance to your disagreement, nor is the reading martian after all ?!
1760049;1514505831;asciilifeform;from asciilifeform's lens it looks entirely like what i would have written myself, about this man, if i were closer to $subject.
1760050;1514505840;mircea_popescu;really ?!
1760051;1514505843;asciilifeform;really.
1760052;1514505861;mircea_popescu;well now i wanna see this. pretend i'm dead and let's see three paragraphs.
1760053;1514505864;asciilifeform;nao for all i know this was done specifically to make asciilifeform et al think that 'ru forbes' is a thing.
1760054;1514505915;*;asciilifeform realizes he ain't any good at obit
1760055;1514505933;mircea_popescu;but you spoke like one who had considered the matter of writing obits quite well ?!
1760056;1514505934;asciilifeform;try an' live a bit longer, folx!11
1760057;1514505953;asciilifeform;apparently i'ma 'chukcha-reader, not writer'
1760058;1514505963;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to say "if i were writing it i'd have written the same" when you wrote a few and considered how you'd write even more. but on the nude... ?
1760059;1514506015;mircea_popescu;am i actually the only one to have written any obituaries, incidentally ?
1760060;1514506021;asciilifeform;let's revise, 'i'd've like to have written the same.'
1760061;1514506031;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wrote one for mccarthy
1760062;1514506047;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=498 << subj.
1760063;1514506126;mircea_popescu;it should perhaps be pointed out that while things like grocery lists, love letters, blog articles, ransom notes at all one might "should" write, it is the obituary which stands alone among all the literary forms as the only piece man must, eventually but absolutely MUST write.
1760064;1514506146;*;asciilifeform won't disagree.
1760065;1514506297;asciilifeform;^ even includes link to another Troo Sov. 'Did Not Sell Soap But Starved While Making Worthwhile Things' (tm) d00d
1760066;1514506374;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how come your above item fails to point out the obvious, "he was dedicated to the supremacy of white man, and his enslavement of the entire world and nature itself to his own tastes and inclinations" ?
1760067;1514506390;asciilifeform;imho it did not need pointing, any moar than 2+2=4
1760068;1514506398;asciilifeform;i did not , then, have pygmy readers.
1760069;1514506401;asciilifeform;afaik.
1760070;1514506416;asciilifeform;prolly still dont
1760071;1514506442;mircea_popescu;but "Мы все когда-то были такими. Мы." did ?
1760072;1514506463;asciilifeform;this Мы has that brotherhood-of-civilized-men baked into it.
1760073;1514506472;mircea_popescu;how come the arcane "you're missing the includes" need not be mentioned in one piece but was mentioned in the other and this gives you no pause in the "that's how i'd have done" ?
1760074;1514506476;mircea_popescu;you evidently did not do the same ?
1760075;1514506490;asciilifeform;sorta how when asciilifeform switches on his console in the morning, he does not think 'but what will cockroaches think'
1760076;1514506499;asciilifeform;it just dun enter me head.
1760077;1514506500;mircea_popescu;you understand statement is the first process in the dissolution of taboo and the de-fanging of belief ?
1760078;1514506524;mircea_popescu;one item is stated ; the other item is not stated. does this belie anything about the relative situations of beliefs ?
1760079;1514506525;asciilifeform;right, i've nuffin against russel&whitehead killing 8kg of tree to show how 1+1 makes 2
1760080;1514506529;asciilifeform;for that matter, what's ffa, lol
1760081;1514506556;asciilifeform;but will point out that most mathematical works do not reprint r&w's 1+1 ...
1760082;1514506563;asciilifeform;they dunneed to.
1760083;1514506775;*;asciilifeform rereading oldies, e.g. his response to a circa-2011 gabriel_laddel , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=498&cpage=1#comment-1812
1760084;1514507095;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759898 << in a sane gossiptron, nobody'd be keeping bastard blocks around to begin with, and the problem would not even be formulatable, 'what do you mean, out of order, everybody's got an ordered array of blocks, some people simply longer one than others, let's all visit'em'
1760085;1514507095;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 22:16 mircea_popescu: works ok for eg torrents, where all data is needed once in no particular order, but blockchain is not torrent.
1760086;1514507134;asciilifeform;the intrinsic difficulty of a trbtron's job is more or less 100% in dealing-with-prb.
1760087;1514507152;asciilifeform;prb is a bug (tm)(r) !!
1760088;1514507196;asciilifeform;( and , consider, if mining were not also a bug, who would waste any time attempting to converse with prbtrons ? )
1760089;1514507280;asciilifeform;and a not-insignificant chunk of the work one sees in http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable , had to happen on account of 'and we still have to talk to prb somehow...'
1760090;1514507341;asciilifeform;( in particular the orphanages amputations. good chunk of bandwidth is TO THIS. DAY. wasted , by prbtrons throwing their liquishit at trbtron )
1760091;1514507384;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759889 << i had this notion that he happened by reading the l0gz, not asciilifeform's www. but could be wrong.
1760092;1514507384;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 22:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759720 << nah, apeloyee character also from there iirc.
1760093;1514507558;asciilifeform;in other noose, zoolag has 21 peers, and has been at the bleeding tip of the spear continuously ( at least through the lens of asciilifeform's hand-cranked observatory gear) since getting there.
1760094;1514507629;mod6;cool
1760095;1514507742;asciilifeform;nao, if we reintroduce checkpoints ( SANE checkpoints : i.e. keccak-of-whole-block-bitwise, rather than merkleism and sha2; and pgp-signed config eaten at boot ) we can have nodes that sync from empty hdd to full in <1day ...
1760096;1514507758;shinohai;^
1760097;1514507774;asciilifeform;( because they don't be sitting for 30sec to 6min per block grunting ecdsa )
1760098;1514507784;asciilifeform;*won't be
1760099;1514507826;asciilifeform;theoretically could even have a 'actually do the full-bore-verifications in background AFTER sync' knob.
1760100;1514507865;asciilifeform;imho this is aesthetically displeasing but inevitable, eventually it'll be this or copying disks, sync-from-empty-space will be impractical in human timeframe
1760101;1514507938;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760097 << if doing that, correct thing is to justr copy over the official-chain
1760102;1514507938;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 00:36 asciilifeform: ( because they don't be sitting for 30sec to 6min per block grunting ecdsa )
1760103;1514507951;asciilifeform;right but really oughta formalize it, rather than ad-hoc
1760104;1514507959;mircea_popescu;not so sure.
1760105;1514507981;asciilifeform;and let there be such a thing as , e.g., viral-payload-node-that-still-gets-correct-blox-but-dun-need-to-carry-200GB
1760106;1514508019;asciilifeform;incidentally at one time asciilifeform made and signed a block hash manifest. but cannot find in the logz...
1760107;1514508021;asciilifeform;where is it.
1760108;1514508027;asciilifeform;was it a dream..?
1760109;1514508120;mircea_popescu;o shit there it is, navrozov moment!
1760110;1514508125;mircea_popescu;i was looking for this the other day.
1760111;1514508138;asciilifeform;i will also add, it is not wholly useless to ~watch~ who is sending over Troo Blox and who -- somethingleses
1760112;1514508143;asciilifeform;*somethingelses
1760113;1514508154;asciilifeform;and for that, want to have TrooManifest.
1760114;1514508173;mircea_popescu;true
1760115;1514508194;asciilifeform;and yes i grasp that this is a kind of usurpation. but given http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759658, !
1760116;1514508194;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 16:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform republic has strength to enforce dunnit ?
1760117;1514508483;asciilifeform;oh hah, while digging, found https://archive.is/gB5hg << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-07#1123345 , entirely-unrelated archaeological item that somebody-or-other had asked for some time this year...
1760118;1514508483;a111;Logged on 2015-05-07 00:09 asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0M8QV5T.txt << signed manifest (by me)
1760119;1514508506;mircea_popescu;let us rescue some piece into the logs : ugh
1760120;1514508509;mircea_popescu;this isn't fucking it.
1760121;1514508516;asciilifeform;definitely not
1760122;1514508532;mircea_popescu;where the fuck is that piece commenting on how soviet citizens all sooner or later wake up to the disney quality of their state ?
1760123;1514508567;asciilifeform;hmmm
1760124;1514508571;asciilifeform;!#s volokh
1760125;1514508571;a111;7 results for "volokh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=volokh
1760126;1514508575;asciilifeform;iirc it was him
1760127;1514508590;mircea_popescu;hm
1760128;1514508614;mircea_popescu;i thought it was an actualy russian.
1760129;1514508622;asciilifeform;he was
1760130;1514508630;mircea_popescu;at washington post ?
1760131;1514508635;asciilifeform;( emphasis on past tense )
1760132;1514508650;asciilifeform;iirc it is his younger brother who is a major-league pantsuitist nao
1760133;1514508659;asciilifeform;'not shakespeare, the other shakespeare'
1760134;1514508740;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Et3G << that volokh.
1760135;1514508749;asciilifeform;(not the desired piece tho, yet...)
1760136;1514508856;asciilifeform;oh hah it was the brother : http://volokh.com/2010/04/30/on-a-bus-in-kiev/
1760137;1514508857;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu
1760138;1514508861;asciilifeform;possibly this is it.
1760139;1514508906;asciilifeform;written, apparently, before d00d went quisling.
1760140;1514508932;asciilifeform;( at one point there were a 'volokh brothers' www, and fairly respectable imho . )
1760141;1514509079;asciilifeform;( in re checkpoints, pertinent thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-28#1180510 and i was quite certain that some time then i posted hashes... )
1760142;1514509079;a111;Logged on 2015-06-28 19:14 mircea_popescu: the entire idea of what we are building here is NODE HIERARCHY.
1760143;1514509155;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-29#1180868 << hey ben_vulpes , does yer box do this ?
1760144;1514509155;a111;Logged on 2015-06-29 02:31 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody who wants can now easily serve http://yourthing/blocks/x
1760145;1514509189;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-29#1180935 << did i only ~think~ of it, but did not do..?
1760146;1514509189;a111;Logged on 2015-06-29 02:56 asciilifeform: i sorta want to start doing this thing where we for blocks 0 ... n, sha512sum block_n | gpg ...
1760147;1514509213;asciilifeform;>>>> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-29#1180989 <<<< ding
1760148;1514509213;a111;Logged on 2015-06-29 04:51 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig
1760149;1514509217;asciilifeform;here they are.
1760150;1514509246;asciilifeform;i.e. 'We have now the sha512 checksums of all blocks loaded by yours truly from mircea_popescu's machine on June 28 - 29, 2015. This is posted here as a permanent record in light of a certain conversation [2] concerning possible shitgnomatic shenanigans.'
1760151;1514510367;esthlos;phf: a little birdie told me you are working on a diff replacement. have you made significant progress?
1760152;1514511245;phf;esthlos: got gnudiff down to 6149 loc from 300407, added shasum to it, as of now it can do http://archive.is/5WxUZ
1760153;1514511364;phf;i took a little break to put it into CWEB so i can print it and read it (cutting process was mostly mechanic, so now i need to actually grok some of the things it does), but that turned out to be a pita
1760154;1514511596;esthlos;300K loc????
1760155;1514511788;phf;well 200k, rest is whitespace and comments
1760156;1514511869;esthlos;fwiw I read McIlroy's paper and would be willing to implement it _transparently_, if there's interest
1760157;1514511870;phf;original figure, i believe was wc -l on everything, i refined the loc mesasure
1760158;1514511914;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/binblocks/0.bin
1760159;1514511920;asciilifeform;ooh neat
1760160;1514511931;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes did this already exist, or new today
1760161;1514511948;ben_vulpes;they're not all there, as that's the directory they get dumped into after mimisbrunnr is asked for them the first time
1760162;1514511955;ben_vulpes;symlink is new as of today
1760163;1514512168;asciilifeform;neato
1760164;1514512462;phf;esthlos: what do you mean by transparently?
1760165;1514513359;esthlos;phf: vaguely, that the code maps to the actual problem with no extraneous complexity, in an easily readable way
1760166;1514513388;phf;aah, hmm
1760167;1514513477;esthlos;the program should be a good substitute for reading the paper directly
1760168;1514513485;phf;well, the context of what i'm trying to do is in the logs. specifically mcilroy diffing implementation is not necessarily the problem (relevant bits of gnudiff are reducable to maybe 500-1000 loc)
1760169;1514513693;phf;what i'm trying to do is not so much a rewrite, as first an ascii style cut of relevant bits, to preserve backwards compatability with current patches, and then augmentation to support various operations that were discussed in logs, that are more about file management than they are about diffing
1760170;1514513812;phf;what you have on top of original paper is unified diff format and the handling of multiple files in a single patch. (that's where you run into the bulk of extra code; things like sorting directory is simply unpleasant to do in C)
1760171;1514514615;phf;this follows ascii's pattern of trying to bend existing tools to our needs, before we know enough to do a greenfield rewrite. there's a lot of ideas floating around what v is supposed to do. a clean rewrite of mcilroy could serve as a basis for further work, but you should perhaps follow discussion in the logs on the subject to get the full scope of the problem
1760172;1514515514;esthlos;phf: alright, I will have to read up. my practice v implementation will be in CL, and I was thinking of implementing mcilroy for educational purposes. if such an implementation sounds useful, let me know
1760173;1514515738;phf;please do, it would be useful as a reference, but also for me specifically: btcbase.org/patch is written in common lisp, but it can only eat vpatches, not spit them out, so a mcilroy would be a solid addition
1760174;1514515779;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches that is
1760175;1514515906;esthlos;excellent. also, I feel your pain. every day I write in C, I swear I lose an iq point
1760176;1514516231;phf;that would be a very gruesome science fiction narrative, if that was actually the case. a kind of strugatsky's roadside picnic :>
1760177;1514516251;esthlos;it seems specifically designed to reduce the intelligence of the programmer to what a manager can understand
1760178;1514516339;phf;but i actually really want to learn to spit out elegant C like knuth, djb or rob pike
1760179;1514516397;phf;i mean, if you read norvig's python snippets you can clearly see they are written by a very experienced lispers. you literally never see python like that in the wild, but yet there it is.
1760180;1514516561;esthlos;elegant C exists, but the limits of the language the complexity it can handle without exploding into incomprehensibility.
1760181;1514516575;esthlos;*caps the complexity
1760182;1514516601;esthlos;certainly I can't write elegant C tho
1760183;1514516720;esthlos;even with small C projects I start to panic when I realise I don't know how it works anymore
1760184;1514516880;phf;i had that experience when i tried implementing an older spec of gossipd. i wrote it in C, actually CWEB, but i wasn't doing literate programming right, and after a while the whole thing became overwhelming.
1760185;1514516949;phf;but then i can also understand the whole "back in my day" sentiment. common lisp certainly lets you write ~very sloppy~ code and get away with it :>
1760186;1514518096;asciilifeform;in other non-news, ben_vulpes yer ircbot thing dun work with znc. for the obvious reason of containing magicstring-expectation liquishit.
1760187;1514518104;asciilifeform;i wasted hours.
1760188;1514518201;phf;asciilifeform: that would be the case with trinque's bot too
1760189;1514518204;asciilifeform;aha.
1760190;1514518210;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot
1760191;1514518210;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1760192;1514518223;phf;thing expects a complicated challenge response state machine to happen
1760193;1514518226;asciilifeform;pehbot: help
1760194;1514518226;pehbot;asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
1760195;1514518238;asciilifeform;pehbot: .2.2+[=]#
1760196;1514518238;pehbot;asciilifeform: =0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004
1760197;1514518248;asciilifeform;pehbot: _
1760198;1514518248;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 0: Stack Underflow!
1760199;1514518252;asciilifeform;etc.
1760200;1514518256;phf;hah!
1760201;1514518270;asciilifeform;it lives inside a slime atm. i'ma leave it up for a spell, in case anybody wants to play.
1760202;1514518290;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1760203;1514518293;asciilifeform;try it
1760204;1514518318;phf;pehbot: .123'#4'#
1760205;1514518319;pehbot;phf: EGGOG: Pos: 4: Stack Underflow!
1760206;1514518340;mircea_popescu;pehbot .2.0-[=]#
1760207;1514518350;mircea_popescu;pehbot: .2.0-[=]#
1760208;1514518350;pehbot;mircea_popescu: =0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002
1760209;1514518365;phf;pehbot: .123'#
1760210;1514518365;pehbot;phf: EGGOG: Pos: 4: Stack Underflow!
1760211;1514518369;mircea_popescu;pehbot: .2.17^[=]#
1760212;1514518369;pehbot;mircea_popescu: =0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000015
1760213;1514518384;phf;ascii: isn't ' a dup?
1760214;1514518386;mircea_popescu;um
1760215;1514518402;mircea_popescu;pehbot: .11![=]#
1760216;1514518403;pehbot;mircea_popescu: =0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000011
1760217;1514518406;asciilifeform;phf: nope.
1760218;1514518422;asciilifeform;it's a swap , phf
1760219;1514518427;mircea_popescu;pehbot: .123456789.987654321*[=]#
1760220;1514518427;pehbot;mircea_popescu: =0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000987654321
1760221;1514518427;asciilifeform;you read ch4 , neh
1760222;1514518435;phf;yeah, i forgot :>
1760223;1514518458;mircea_popescu;pehbot: .123456789.987654321+[=]#
1760224;1514518458;pehbot;mircea_popescu: =0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000AAAAAAAAA
1760225;1514518459;phf;oh it's a swap
1760226;1514518464;mircea_popescu;ahem
1760227;1514518467;mircea_popescu;pehbot: .123456789.987654321-[=]#
1760228;1514518467;pehbot;mircea_popescu: =FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF79BE02468
1760229;1514518482;phf;pehbot: .123"#4#
1760230;1514518482;pehbot;phf: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001230000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001234
1760231;1514518489;mircea_popescu;is this actually correct ?
1760232;1514518502;asciilifeform;in fact it is: it strips newlines
1760233;1514518505;asciilifeform;on output
1760234;1514518508;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1760235;1514518514;asciilifeform;yea this is a draft
1760236;1514518515;mircea_popescu;and F notation for negative ?
1760237;1514518518;asciilifeform;nope
1760238;1514518518;mod6;this is pretty cool lol
1760239;1514518521;asciilifeform;no negatives !!!!
1760240;1514518525;asciilifeform;they dun exist in yer cpu either
1760241;1514518529;asciilifeform;integer arithm
1760242;1514518530;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu: =FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF79BE02468 <
1760243;1514518544;asciilifeform;pehbot: ..1-#
1760244;1514518544;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
1760245;1514518548;asciilifeform;^ consider.
1760246;1514518553;asciilifeform;just like yer cpu.
1760247;1514518556;mircea_popescu;shouldn't it eggog ?
1760248;1514518559;asciilifeform;no.
1760249;1514518567;phf;penbot: .~
1760250;1514518570;asciilifeform;this is fundamental. it's finitefield arithm.
1760251;1514518573;phf;pehbot: .~
1760252;1514518573;pehbot;phf:
1760253;1514518574;mircea_popescu;shouldn't it eggog on .. also ?
1760254;1514518578;asciilifeform;no, why ?
1760255;1514518582;phf;pehbot: .~#
1760256;1514518582;pehbot;phf: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
1760257;1514518583;mircea_popescu;because .. is not .0.
1760258;1514518586;asciilifeform;i can tell who read ch4 and who not!111
1760259;1514518595;asciilifeform;read ch4 folx.
1760260;1514518611;phf;pehbot: Q
1760261;1514518611;pehbot;phf:
1760262;1514518638;phf;pehbot: .2.2+
1760263;1514518638;pehbot;phf:
1760264;1514518640;phf;err
1760265;1514518641;phf;pehbot: .2.2+#
1760266;1514518641;pehbot;phf: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004
1760267;1514518650;phf;pehbot: .1.2.3.4.5Q
1760268;1514518650;pehbot;phf: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000050000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1760269;1514518671;phf;this is cool :>
1760270;1514518688;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/pehbot.jpg << for posterity.
1760271;1514518784;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760138 << absolutely not it, no.
1760272;1514518784;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 00:54 asciilifeform: possibly this is it.
1760273;1514518786;phf;asciilifeform: i like the . trick by the way, is there prior art to it?
1760274;1514518801;asciilifeform;phf: which trick
1760275;1514518805;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i am not going to take responsibility for your not reading the connection routines. it's plain as day the thing expects magic strings.
1760276;1514518828;ben_vulpes;when i booted one somehow i did not waste hours.
1760277;1514518831;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: somehow didn't click, at first, the depth to which it was a kludge, lol
1760278;1514518839;phf;well, . puts a zero and the 1-9A-F mutates the top, so you don't have to have state in the parser
1760279;1514518841;asciilifeform;i'ma have to make a znctronic clone
1760280;1514518868;asciilifeform;phf: i came up with it in 2016 when wrote the orig, unpublished mpitronic 'p'
1760281;1514518901;asciilifeform;( ffacalc, in case anyone has illusions , is not p. not yet in ch4 anyway ! )
1760282;1514518924;ben_vulpes;freenode is the kludge; im not going to sink time into making *tronic bot that doesn't do auth itself because freenode doesn't like your host.
1760283;1514518930;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes:fair'nuff
1760284;1514518931;phf;i feel like you chould email it to chuck moore, he'll get a kick out of it "saves 25 bits on my greenarray cluster!"
1760285;1514518935;asciilifeform;lol
1760286;1514518962;*;mircea_popescu is willing to bet chuck moore is too dumb to figure this out.
1760287;1514518963;asciilifeform;pehbot: .0{[foo]}{[bar]}
1760288;1514518963;pehbot;asciilifeform: bar
1760289;1514518966;asciilifeform;pehbot: .1{[foo]}{[bar]}
1760290;1514518967;pehbot;asciilifeform: foo
1760291;1514518970;mircea_popescu;email in whatevever manner you please.
1760292;1514518998;asciilifeform;pehbot: .1.2##
1760293;1514518998;pehbot;asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1760294;1514519004;asciilifeform;pehbot: .1.2'##
1760295;1514519004;pehbot;asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002
1760296;1514519010;phf;though come to think of it, in colorforth it'll make things more expensive (since now each digit basically costs a header-and-a-word's-worth)
1760297;1514519026;asciilifeform;apologies to folx reading l0g, barfing...
1760298;1514519033;mircea_popescu;they'll live.
1760299;1514519041;asciilifeform;i dun expect pehbot to become perma-resident
1760300;1514519045;phf;didn't we have a candi session!
1760301;1514519092;mod6;i kinda like this thing, and while your loper posts are fresh, i'd like it hang for a bit.
1760302;1514519100;asciilifeform;pehbot: .1{[foo]}{ .0{[nested]}{[loops]}_ [work in p] }
1760303;1514519100;pehbot;asciilifeform: foo
1760304;1514519111;asciilifeform;pehbot: .0{[foo]}{ .0{[nested]}{[loops]}_ [work in p] }
1760305;1514519111;pehbot;asciilifeform: loopswork in p
1760306;1514519117;asciilifeform;pehbot: .0{[foo]}{ .1{[nested]}{[loops]}_ [work in p] }
1760307;1514519117;pehbot;asciilifeform: nestedwork in p
1760308;1514519121;asciilifeform;etc.
1760309;1514519123;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760156 << certainly.
1760310;1514519123;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 01:44 esthlos: fwiw I read McIlroy's paper and would be willing to implement it _transparently_, if there's interest
1760311;1514519159;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform other than the wrong control sequence / your utter ignoring of that whole mechanism, the bot is compliant, spits out one line per command, can sit forever.
1760312;1514519178;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: atm it uses speak-when-voiced-and-spoken-to trigger
1760313;1514519187;asciilifeform;can make it whateveryalike
1760314;1514519200;asciilifeform;let's eggog 1moar:
1760315;1514519203;asciilifeform;pehbot: ................................
1760316;1514519204;pehbot;asciilifeform:
1760317;1514519206;asciilifeform;pehbot: .................................
1760318;1514519206;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 32: Stack Overflow!
1760319;1514519212;mircea_popescu;sure, i'll be happy to look up what the thing should be in preference of your doing it. lessee.
1760320;1514519232;mircea_popescu;!A asciilifeform
1760321;1514519234;mircea_popescu;works out well.
1760322;1514519254;asciilifeform;lesseee:
1760323;1514519259;phf;mircea_popescu: is there any reason there's no right shift in p? or there's some way to do it with what's there?
1760324;1514519265;phf;err, in calc rather
1760325;1514519267;asciilifeform;!A [foo]
1760326;1514519267;pehbot;asciilifeform: foo
1760327;1514519274;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: done.
1760328;1514519280;asciilifeform;phf: ch5!!
1760329;1514519280;mircea_popescu;pehbot: [not yet]
1760330;1514519286;mircea_popescu;o hey. nice.
1760331;1514519287;asciilifeform;!A [not yet]
1760332;1514519287;pehbot;asciilifeform: not yet
1760333;1514519294;mircea_popescu;cool. ty.
1760334;1514519305;mircea_popescu;phf i dun think there is any fundamental reason no
1760335;1514519307;phf;cause you can do a ghetto left shift with 000 :>
1760336;1514519342;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski << add pehbot to the list plox.
1760337;1514519346;phf;mircea_popescu: well, i thought he's got some minimalist tendencies, like left shift is done with a bunch of 0's and right shift is done with a combination of twig and rock
1760338;1514519348;asciilifeform;!A [☭☭☭☭☭☭☭some actual text ☭☭☭☭☭]
1760339;1514519348;pehbot;asciilifeform: some actual text
1760340;1514519350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform !A help would be nice once you get around to it.
1760341;1514519356;asciilifeform;!A help
1760342;1514519356;pehbot;asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
1760343;1514519380;phf;!A [eg: ].1"#000#
1760344;1514519380;pehbot;phf: eg: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001000
1760345;1514519402;phf;!A [or rather ].1"#[ ]000#
1760346;1514519402;pehbot;phf: or rather 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001000
1760347;1514519409;asciilifeform;phf: i'ma tell you a seekrit : it'll be R and L, ( 2 - 1 ) in forthological notation
1760348;1514519421;phf;yeah, that makes sense
1760349;1514519428;asciilifeform;mega-surprise
1760350;1514519473;asciilifeform;!A [this prints (but this is a comment) some text]
1760351;1514519473;pehbot;asciilifeform: this prints (but this is a comment) some text
1760352;1514519480;asciilifeform;ah lol!
1760353;1514519486;asciilifeform;!A [this prints some text] (but this is a comment)
1760354;1514519486;pehbot;asciilifeform: this prints some text
1760355;1514519504;*;asciilifeform did this deliberately, and then forgot -- but this is correct precedence
1760356;1514519545;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1760357;1514519568;asciilifeform;!A (the point of [someshit] is to output valid pcode like) [.1.2+#[=]]
1760358;1514519569;pehbot;asciilifeform: .1.2+#[=]
1760359;1514519580;asciilifeform;!A .1.2+#[=]
1760360;1514519581;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003=
1760361;1514519604;mircea_popescu;and is it getting updated in step with the ffa publishings ?
1760362;1514519605;asciilifeform;!A ..1-O
1760363;1514519605;pehbot;asciilifeform:
1760364;1514519610;asciilifeform;err
1760365;1514519613;asciilifeform;!A ..1-O#
1760366;1514519613;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1760367;1514519616;asciilifeform;!A ..0-O#
1760368;1514519616;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1760369;1514519619;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: of course.
1760370;1514519638;mircea_popescu;nice. will make a great tool i expect, can reference bot in examples etc.
1760371;1514519641;mircea_popescu;integration ftw.
1760372;1514519641;asciilifeform;aha.
1760373;1514519648;asciilifeform;!A .~#
1760374;1514519648;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
1760375;1514519665;asciilifeform;!A .A.B.0U#
1760376;1514519665;pehbot;asciilifeform: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000A
1760377;1514519667;asciilifeform;!A .A.B.1U#
1760378;1514519668;pehbot;asciilifeform: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000B
1760379;1514519693;asciilifeform;!A .2.1^#
1760380;1514519693;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
1760381;1514519707;asciilifeform;!A .3.1^#
1760382;1514519707;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002
1760383;1514519718;mircea_popescu;!A .F00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000A.F00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000B-[=]#
1760384;1514519718;pehbot;mircea_popescu: =FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
1760385;1514519765;mircea_popescu;is it also named for REN TV ?
1760386;1514519777;asciilifeform;'Q' is pretty useless in the bot, given what happens to whitespaces. i'ma have to adjust the filter.
1760387;1514519782;asciilifeform;what's 'ren tv'
1760388;1514519794;mircea_popescu;some tv station
1760389;1514519803;asciilifeform;never heard of it
1760390;1514519822;asciilifeform;!A [[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]
1760391;1514519823;pehbot;asciilifeform: [[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]
1760392;1514519830;asciilifeform;!A [[]]
1760393;1514519830;pehbot;asciilifeform: []
1760394;1514519832;mod6;:]
1760395;1514519833;asciilifeform;!A [[]]]
1760396;1514519833;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 4: Mismatched close-quote bracket !
1760397;1514519876;phf;asciilifeform: hey when you adjust the filters, can you make sure manual spacing still works?
1760398;1514519886;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656734 << delivered!1111
1760399;1514519886;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 01:36 asciilifeform: in other near-term lulz, a 'pbot' is in the worx, so that folx can play with various input->output pairs in-chan
1760400;1514519893;mircea_popescu;made http://trilema.com/2009/iluzionistul-merita-vazut/#selection-49.16-49.32
1760401;1514519913;asciilifeform;phf: issue for 'Q' strictly
1760402;1514519914;mircea_popescu;there;s this whole pile of 2nd world "Cinema" made by 30second ad people.
1760403;1514519915;phf;!A .1.1[foo ]#[=]#
1760404;1514519915;pehbot;phf: foo 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1760405;1514519956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope, never saw
1760406;1514519962;phf;test !A .1.1##
1760407;1514519964;mircea_popescu;it's actually not a bad film.
1760408;1514519969;*;asciilifeform puts on list
1760409;1514520023;mircea_popescu;!!up pehbot
1760410;1514520023;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1760411;1514520118;asciilifeform;!A .1.2<#
1760412;1514520118;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1760413;1514520122;asciilifeform;!A .2.1<#
1760414;1514520123;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1760415;1514520128;asciilifeform;!A .1.2>#
1760416;1514520128;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1760417;1514520131;asciilifeform;!A .2.1>#
1760418;1514520131;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1760419;1514520137;asciilifeform;i think this covers errything.
1760420;1514520140;mircea_popescu;make the width settable btw ?
1760421;1514520144;mircea_popescu;!A help
1760422;1514520144;pehbot;mircea_popescu: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
1760423;1514520167;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is entirely doable but irc msg bounds makes it not particularly useful
1760424;1514520191;mircea_popescu;well, could be "up to 16k" or somesuch.
1760425;1514520192;asciilifeform;pehbot largely lives as a toy / ch4 exam.
1760426;1514520194;mircea_popescu;whjatever fits a line
1760427;1514520197;mircea_popescu;but sure.
1760428;1514520206;asciilifeform;line dun fit much, is the prob.
1760429;1514520238;ben_vulpes;what i did for candi was to link a paste
1760430;1514520245;mircea_popescu;^
1760431;1514520245;asciilifeform;but why not see empirically:
1760432;1514520256;asciilifeform;!A help
1760433;1514520256;pehbot;asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 4096 and Height to 32.
1760434;1514520265;asciilifeform;!A .~#
1760435;1514520265;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
1760436;1514520273;mircea_popescu;the paste idea is pretty good, in that it takes the (unavoidable, btw) line issue away entirely.
1760437;1514520282;phf;the nick is going to make a difference, it's 250 characters by the way
1760438;1514520284;asciilifeform;it's cut
1760439;1514520290;asciilifeform;that's a 1672-bit num
1760440;1514520304;mircea_popescu;yeah it's 4000 max
1760441;1514520306;phf;asciilifeform: yes, but it's going to be shorter for mp
1760442;1514520315;asciilifeform;!A help
1760443;1514520315;pehbot;asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
1760444;1514520318;asciilifeform;^ put back
1760445;1514520327;asciilifeform;phf: aha!!
1760446;1514520332;mircea_popescu;should be good enough as it is anyway
1760447;1514520339;phf;!A [http://btcbase.org/lo][g/2017-12-29#1760407]
1760448;1514520339;asciilifeform;good enuff for what it was madefor.
1760449;1514520339;pehbot;phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760407
1760450;1514520341;mircea_popescu;the advantage of no paste is not needing the click
1760451;1514520352;mircea_popescu;phf nice.
1760452;1514520374;phf;yeah, it's also highlighted as bot on btcbase
1760453;1514520398;asciilifeform;!A [you can put (whatever) [you] {want} here but orc☭gra☭ms get dropped]
1760454;1514520398;pehbot;asciilifeform: you can put (whatever) [you] {want} here but orcgrams get dropped
1760455;1514520423;asciilifeform;!A ([you can put (whatever) [you] {want} here but orc☭gra☭ms get dropped] comments) [take precedence over []]
1760456;1514520424;pehbot;asciilifeform: take precedence over []
1760457;1514520507;asciilifeform;at some point i'ma put the thing on sumthing that ain't a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760270
1760458;1514520507;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 03:38 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/pehbot.jpg << for posterity.
1760459;1514520528;asciilifeform;for nao, will leave it up for another hr or so in case anyone wants to play.
1760460;1514520585;mircea_popescu;inferior lisp lmao
1760461;1514520597;asciilifeform;slimologicalterm.
1760462;1514520670;mircea_popescu;btw, you are aware the canticle is just history-of-cluny with the serials (and most of the good stuff) shaved off ?
1760463;1514520677;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1760464;1514520680;mircea_popescu;kk
1760465;1514520702;mircea_popescu;"what if the northern part of new world was actually important and like, events happened here and shit ?~!?!?"
1760466;1514520713;mircea_popescu;the ~only preoccupation of us aspiring writers since day 0
1760467;1514520743;asciilifeform;presumably the folx who sailed, thought it'd amount to sumthing.
1760468;1514520752;mircea_popescu;not really, they just went for the cunt.
1760469;1514520756;mircea_popescu;"for lucre the briton..."
1760470;1514520757;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1760471;1514520806;phf;mircea_popescu: i'm not, what is that?
1760472;1514520839;mircea_popescu;phf the barbaric lands were slowly recivilised after the fall of the roman empire. the effort centered around this fortified monastery in gaul, and its satellites
1760473;1514520855;mircea_popescu;(gaul was, in the estimation of the romans themselves, the better part of the empire, which is why most moved there)
1760474;1514521191;phf;oh so it's the history of cluny, rather than "The History of Cluny"
1760475;1514521205;mircea_popescu;i don't follow the distinction ?
1760476;1514521263;phf;one is an accumulation of knowledge on the subject of history in your head, the other one is a written book of that title, that one, if one were so inclined, could track down and read :)
1760477;1514521276;mircea_popescu;ah. sadly, accumulation.
1760478;1514521304;mircea_popescu;anyway, berno was the name of the original leibowitz
1760479;1514521363;mircea_popescu;but if you feel like the reading, about ~any history of the benedictine order in the early history of europe (say 10th and 11th centuries) should prove an informative read.
1760480;1514521389;phf;neat
1760481;1514521391;mircea_popescu;there is A REASON "european civilisation" bla bla, and that reason is the remarkable stability introduced through unlikely means. a sort of humour.
1760482;1514521558;phf;saint asciilifeform right there http://www.uni-muenster.de/imperia/md/images/fruehmittelalter/mon-cl.jpg
1760483;1514521572;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1760484;1514521606;mircea_popescu;should prolly paste his inferior lisp screencap in that early mac screen.
1760485;1514521706;mircea_popescu;anyway, the important part in the actual history is that the abbey was de facto sovereign ~deliberately~, set up that way by the duke on purpose. i dun recall exactly the us retcon, but it was accidental if memory serves ? which is already a reduction, in my view.
1760486;1514521783;mircea_popescu;still, the whole reason for the (false, by the way) pretense to eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757073 carried over to this very day was that "the trick worked for cluny", ten centuries ago. and so following.
1760487;1514521783;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 19:01 mircea_popescu: do they even give out tenures anymore ?
1760488;1514521901;phf;it's not the case for canticle (where it is sort of accidental, in a sense that "everything's so fucked that nobody cares, but when they do we have Electric Light!")
1760489;1514521917;mircea_popescu;right.
1760490;1514521932;mircea_popescu;in plain terms of the literary quality of the story, this approach seems to me weaker.
1760491;1514521938;phf;but in all the derivative work soveirgnty is deliberate
1760492;1514521947;mircea_popescu;ah ?
1760493;1514521954;*;mircea_popescu not expert in anglo sf whatsoever.
1760494;1514521977;phf;well, glass bead game is not really derivative, but Anathem that we often mention here with ascii is
1760495;1514521984;mircea_popescu;aite.
1760496;1514522021;mircea_popescu;i expect the way these generally work is, starved copywriter threw some shit together while hungover. since it was bought he put a little more work into it later on.
1760497;1514522038;mircea_popescu;a sorta miller-nin "payability test" if you will.
1760498;1514522127;phf;i sort of assumed (and that was sometimes topic of these derivative works) that mandate doesn't last more then a generation or two
1760499;1514522145;mircea_popescu;what is here meant by mandate ?
1760500;1514522229;phf;erm, never mind, "permission for sovereignty" , heh
1760501;1514522249;mircea_popescu;without dispute it lasted for at least... hm, i think there's ten between berno and peter ?
1760502;1514522258;mircea_popescu;in any case, a good few generations.
1760503;1514522289;mircea_popescu;the item was only formally sacked by the revolution.
1760504;1514522290;phf;that's better track record than templars :>
1760505;1514522293;mircea_popescu;it is.
1760506;1514522307;mircea_popescu;they were major factor in why there even IS a papacy in the first place, though.
1760507;1514522309;mircea_popescu;templars -- not.
1760508;1514522753;mircea_popescu;diana_coman "in next chapter" < add "the"
1760509;1514522982;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760175 << musta started way the fuck up there then huh :D
1760510;1514522982;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 02:51 esthlos: excellent. also, I feel your pain. every day I write in C, I swear I lose an iq point
1760511;1514523009;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760177 << funny, im pretty sure this was in the logs. as a naggum quote.
1760512;1514523009;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 02:57 esthlos: it seems specifically designed to reduce the intelligence of the programmer to what a manager can understand
1760513;1514523030;mircea_popescu;but, do not give managers a black eye. i for one often can't understand c.
1760514;1514523588;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760494 << 'anathem' is prolly the 1 'sf' item written in usa in past 20-30y worth taking home
1760515;1514523588;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 04:32 phf: well, glass bead game is not really derivative, but Anathem that we often mention here with ascii is
1760516;1514523619;asciilifeform;d00d (stephenson) 'got it'. and as i understand it was his 'last hurrah', he went to shit soon after.
1760517;1514523729;asciilifeform;'anathem' is many things, and one of them is a what-if-naturalphilosophy-had-happened-in-monasteries.
1760518;1514523746;asciilifeform;but it dun really fit in 'sound bite'.
1760519;1514523869;phf;i suspect the spectacular failure of his sword project is what sent him downspiral
1760520;1514524021;asciilifeform;fuqknows
1760521;1514524077;asciilifeform;i swallowed not only 1 but 2 pieces of rubbish from post-anathem stephenson and that was enuff.
1760522;1514524080;asciilifeform;d00d is done.
1760523;1514524111;phf;oh, he wrote something else besides seveneves?
1760524;1514524134;asciilifeform;'reamde'. but there is rumour that he had 0 to do with the text, let some idjit relative pen it
1760525;1514524209;phf;sounds like a decade update attempt to cryptonomicon
1760526;1514524225;asciilifeform;unrelated, it's an 'airport detective'
1760527;1514524228;asciilifeform;100% crapolade.
1760528;1514524314;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760180 << i'ma confess, i have nfi what is or could be 'elegant c'
1760529;1514524314;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 03:02 esthlos: elegant C exists, but the limits of the language the complexity it can handle without exploding into incomprehensibility.
1760530;1514524327;asciilifeform;there is such a thing as maliciously-ugly c. i.e. what koch et al write.
1760531;1514524335;asciilifeform;there is not, however, a meaningful opposite.
1760532;1514524344;asciilifeform;there is a 'non-malicious c', i suppose.
1760533;1514524356;*;asciilifeform did publish some c, at some point
1760534;1514524389;asciilifeform;i.e. consistently-formatted, using 0 'idiomaticisms' ,
1760535;1514524391;asciilifeform;!#s idiomatic
1760536;1514524392;a111;36 results for "idiomatic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=idiomatic
1760537;1514524407;asciilifeform;minimal pointerism, indirectism as a whole.
1760538;1514524412;asciilifeform;but it remains -- c.
1760539;1514524480;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760183 << you really ought not to touch c unless you can picture in yer head the asm , when reading it; and vice-versa ( for your particular iron )
1760540;1514524480;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 03:05 esthlos: even with small C projects I start to panic when I realise I don't know how it works anymore
1760541;1514524502;asciilifeform;this is not a 'brinism' but quite elementary pons asinorum
1760542;1514524551;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760185 << it is unreasonable to ask ~machine~ to enforce intellectual discipline. machine cannot do this, it's an 'ai-complete' problem.
1760543;1514524551;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 03:09 phf: but then i can also understand the whole "back in my day" sentiment. common lisp certainly lets you write ~very sloppy~ code and get away with it :>
1760544;1514524558;asciilifeform;only men, can do it.
1760545;1514524618;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760156 << why not needleman-wunsch instead ?
1760546;1514524618;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 01:44 esthlos: fwiw I read McIlroy's paper and would be willing to implement it _transparently_, if there's interest
1760547;1514524621;asciilifeform;!#s needleman
1760548;1514524621;a111;10 results for "needleman", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=needleman
1760549;1514524652;asciilifeform;^ n-w lets you specify ~precedence of possible differences~
1760550;1514524670;asciilifeform;e.g. 'spaces muchly less important than printables'
1760551;1514524772;phf;oh yeah, you mentioned this before..
1760552;1514524787;phf;^ http://sci-hub.la/http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022283670900574
1760553;1514524897;asciilifeform;iirc i even posted coad
1760554;1514525274;mircea_popescu;is "coad" code ?
1760555;1514525366;asciilifeform;yea, but think 'with lower case c'
1760556;1514525374;asciilifeform;i.e snippets
1760557;1514525402;asciilifeform;iirc i posted a battlefield-worn one in cl
1760558;1514525415;asciilifeform;with example in, out
1760559;1514525476;phf;no way
1760560;1514525489;phf;i would've remembered
1760561;1514525646;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596510
1760562;1514525646;a111;Logged on 2017-01-04 23:57 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/KAkk0/?raw=true
1760563;1514525680;asciilifeform;>>>>> https://archive.is/jMMqT
1760564;1514525687;asciilifeform;phf: ^
1760565;1514525703;phf;huh!
1760566;1514525743;asciilifeform;it isnt a work of art, but it did work.
1760567;1514525844;phf;ty
1760568;1514527333;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760186 << how do you waste hours on a couple hundred line program
1760569;1514527333;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 03:28 asciilifeform: in other non-news, ben_vulpes yer ircbot thing dun work with znc. for the obvious reason of containing magicstring-expectation liquishit.
1760570;1514527338;trinque;anyhow I wrote it; ben_vulpes added a patch.
1760571;1514527358;asciilifeform;trinque: laugh, but i assumed znc misconfig liquishit
1760572;1514527374;asciilifeform;and chased ~that~
1760573;1514527376;trinque;nickserv is what it is; I didn't invent it
1760574;1514527403;trinque;maybe we're not far from a sane p2p chat implementation
1760575;1514527413;asciilifeform;funny how auth was really an afterthought in irc world
1760576;1514527427;mircea_popescu;and how it's ~useless.
1760577;1514527438;asciilifeform;necessarily !
1760578;1514527447;asciilifeform;afterthoughts dun work so well.
1760579;1514527491;trinque;I admit to having wanted as little irc autism in my head as would make the thing go.
1760580;1514527505;asciilifeform;trinque: orig stimulus for ffa was gossipd's rsa-in-realtime req.
1760581;1514527529;*;trinque is quite excited at that
1760582;1514527647;asciilifeform;metoo..
1760583;1514534088;mircea_popescu;!!up revnja
1760584;1514534088;deedbot;revnja voiced for 30 minutes.
1760585;1514535603;revnja;thank you kindly
1760586;1514536879;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760508 <- fixed, thanks!
1760587;1514536879;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 04:45 mircea_popescu: diana_coman "in next chapter" < add "the"
1760588;1514536918;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760176 <- ahahah, feels like it at times, yes!
1760589;1514536918;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 02:57 phf: that would be a very gruesome science fiction narrative, if that was actually the case. a kind of strugatsky's roadside picnic :>
1760590;1514537000;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759930 <- any comments are welcome, as usual
1760591;1514537000;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 23:26 asciilifeform puts ^item on read-conveyor
1760592;1514538927;mod6;asciilifeform: found ~a~ solution: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ypJpa/?raw=true
1760593;1514538942;mod6;will see if I can clean it up a bit more tomorrow.
1760594;1514538947;mod6;ni ni
1760595;1514545795;shinohai;!#s http://archive.is/u3Wdn
1760596;1514545795;a111;0 results for "http://archive.is/u3Wdn", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2Fu3Wdn
1760597;1514545836;shinohai;stupid wapo
1760598;1514548838;shinohai;!#s https://pmsf.eu/resources/lisp/SHA3.html
1760599;1514548839;a111;0 results for "https://pmsf.eu/resources/lisp/SHA3.html", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fpmsf.eu%2Fresources%2Flisp%2FSHA3.html
1760600;1514548859;shinohai;archived just in case http://archive.is/6NpOj
1760601;1514549012;shinohai;so far seems to be at least equal to the perl sins that only my confessor, mod6 knows of
1760602;1514549107;shinohai;!!up aegis
1760603;1514549107;deedbot;aegis voiced for 30 minutes.
1760604;1514554327;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/26/as-it-turns-out-fireworks-do-not-photograph-well-navidad-in-the-land-of-tranquility/#comment-114450 << And a comment
1760605;1514554578;shinohai;New Years gonna be better?
1760606;1514554586;BingoBoingo;We will have to see
1760607;1514554617;shinohai;And no cardboard houses! Does he read trilema?
1760608;1514554652;BingoBoingo;Well, LATAM is a big place
1760609;1514554754;shinohai;!!rate diana_coman 3 too much hard work to list, EuCrypt has helped me tremendously.
1760610;1514554757;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ibfVb/?raw=true
1760611;1514554872;shinohai;!!v 83DBA74607120BBABFCE695D5917F7E27087B08CB5CC7B9D144D4C39D4E64EB3
1760612;1514554872;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of diana_coman from 2 to 3 << too much hard work to list, EuCrypt has helped me tremendously.
1760613;1514554880;diana_coman;cheers shinohai
1760614;1514554884;shinohai;o7
1760615;1514554900;BingoBoingo;And re: keeping up with chaintips - Quite a few big as ships lined up off short waiting for their turn in port.
1760616;1514554912;BingoBoingo;*big ass ships
1760617;1514555075;shinohai;!!rate BingoBoingo 4 For services rendered to tmsr in LATAM in futherance of true isp and the rich documentation of his travails
1760618;1514555078;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bafd8/?raw=true
1760619;1514555123;BingoBoingo;And it is taking some getting used to going out to the river and not being able to see the other side. And also seeing two way ship traffic with... big ass ships
1760620;1514555168;shinohai;!!v 19EE2D8B89B89D5087635711B3C3239D5C1C4D60D5573565D618CD9F879FF868
1760621;1514555169;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 4 << For services rendered to tmsr in LATAM in futherance of true isp and the rich documentation of his travails
1760622;1514555172;BingoBoingo;Instead of slow river barges taking away the corn to serve as feedstock for who knows what chemistry
1760623;1514555376;BingoBoingo;And guess who the wops beat in court: "Brothers Vincenzo and Giacomo Barbato named their clothing brand "Steve Jobs" in 2012 after learning that Apple had not trademarked his name. "We did our market research and we noticed that Apple, one of the best known companies in the world, never thought about registering its founder's brand, so we decided to do it," the two told la Repubblica Napoli. The Barbatos designed a logo that resembles
1760624;1514555377;BingoBoingo;Apple's own, choosing the letter "J" with a bite taken out of the side."
1760625;1514555401;BingoBoingo;Also the LISA operating system is supposed to be open sourced soon
1760626;1514555453;shinohai;!!rate danielpbarron 3 #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church
1760627;1514555455;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lu1PC/?raw=true
1760628;1514555477;*;shinohai apologizes for the rate spam
1760629;1514555671;shinohai;!!v 685D0D34746C79BF5BF2D0D508688B60D859C2DE35B954FC351CC4CBD50EC370
1760630;1514555671;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to 3 << #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church
1760631;1514557109;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759948 <- do you mean the references and substrata?
1760632;1514557109;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 23:37 mircea_popescu is also happy at how diana_coman 's code veers towards literate style. you've seen this phf ?
1760633;1514557126;mircea_popescu;no, i mean the comments.
1760634;1514557257;diana_coman;ah; well, key code that one anyway
1760635;1514558152;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1760636;1514558159;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14474.84, vol: 14159.22146288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14349.0, vol: 52343.1796784 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14647.1, vol: 4080.1562319 | Volume-weighted last average: 14391.4763725
1760637;1514559425;BingoBoingo;In other pirate radio vs SOP lulz: https://archive.is/AWcBV "When the agents inquired about the nature of Sidos’ relationship with Mr. Polynice, they asserted that they had not seen him in two years. When the agents asked about the unlicensed transmitter, the Sidos alternately refused to respond or claimed that no radio transmitter had been operated on their property since the 2012 in rem seizure... As had occurred during the Augus
1760638;1514559426;BingoBoingo;t 2015 site visit, the station had been taken off the air when the agents took further field strength measurements immediately after the Sido interview ended."
1760639;1514559681;BingoBoingo;And the trb node weather from my perch appears to have improved substantially with regards to nodes at the chaintip since this weekend.
1760640;1514561438;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760601 << "Releases prior to release 1.0.2 had a bug that could lead to input being ignored and hence wrong message digests being calculated for input with repeated calls to sha3-update (see README file for details). Please upgrade as soon as possible, since this bug can lead to unintended collisions in generated message digests." and of course "The library should be portable across nearly a
1760641;1514561438;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 12:03 shinohai: so far seems to be at least equal to the perl sins that only my confessor, mod6 knows of
1760642;1514561438;mircea_popescu;ll ANSI compliant CL implementations with specialized versions tuned for implementations that offer unboxed 64bit arithmetic, unboxed 32bit arithmetic and for implementations with efficient fixnum arithmetic, i.e. requiring fixnums that can represent (unsigned-byte 16)."
1760643;1514561476;mircea_popescu;from "the people who shouldn't have computer access" gallery.
1760644;1514561524;mircea_popescu;"PMSF IT Consulting is proud to announce its acceptance as a member of ASAM e.V.. As a long time user of ASAM standards, like XCP and A2L, we see the ongoing central role of ASAM as a provider for standards in the embedded domain and beyond, with a special focus on automotive applications."
1760645;1514561525;asciilifeform;in other noose : zoolag still on tip-of-the-spear, working pretty great.
1760646;1514561535;mircea_popescu;in case you were wondering who's putting the bugs in your cars of the future.
1760647;1514561558;mircea_popescu;some cocksucker by the name pierre r. mai
1760648;1514561590;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/jimmy-vestvood-amerikan-hero/ << Trilema - Jimmy Vestvood : Amerikan Hero
1760649;1514561598;asciilifeform;diana_coman: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18460
1760650;1514561614;asciilifeform;err, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18461
1760651;1514561672;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760637 << hilariously, i had previously read the whole thing... on fcc's www. ( they have a public pillory of all citations/fines/complaints/etc )
1760652;1514561672;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 14:57 BingoBoingo: In other pirate radio vs SOP lulz: https://archive.is/AWcBV "When the agents inquired about the nature of Sidos’ relationship with Mr. Polynice, they asserted that they had not seen him in two years. When the agents asked about the unlicensed transmitter, the Sidos alternately refused to respond or claimed that no radio transmitter had been operated on their property since the 2012 in rem seizure... As had occurred during the Augus
1760653;1514561692;asciilifeform;apparently arse technica starved for noosefodder
1760654;1514561756;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760640 << would be interesting to see exactly how this 'bug' looked. but currently can't be arsed to unearth the old crud ( where even is it )
1760655;1514561756;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 15:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760601 << "Releases prior to release 1.0.2 had a bug that could lead to input being ignored and hence wrong message digests being calculated for input with repeated calls to sha3-update (see README file for details). Please upgrade as soon as possible, since this bug can lead to unintended collisions in generated message digests." and of course "The library should be portable across nearly a
1760656;1514561768;asciilifeform;i did read the current item, imho quite ugly
1760657;1514561785;mircea_popescu;i expect.
1760658;1514561805;BingoBoingo; apparently arse technica starved for noosefodder << Aha, notice the throwaway blah blah minoritit afterthought!
1760659;1514561817;mircea_popescu;a converse of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760179 ie lisp written by imbeciles on the level of phil daian.
1760660;1514561817;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 02:59 phf: i mean, if you read norvig's python snippets you can clearly see they are written by a very experienced lispers. you literally never see python like that in the wild, but yet there it is.
1760661;1514561833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'fortranistic' lisp
1760662;1514561902;asciilifeform;tho in all fairness the unoptimized 'reference' is at least not immediately nauseating ( https://github.com/pmai/sha3/blob/master/keccak-reference.lisp )
1760663;1514561955;asciilifeform;and, shitgnomery aside even, x86-optimized lispolade is ~always~ nauseating to read
1760664;1514561975;asciilifeform;there is not a pill against this; it is why cmachine Must Die
1760665;1514562059;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760642 << the part that was never clear to me is 'if speed of clean lisp is inadequate, why not write whole thing in asm; if adequate -- why commit this war crime'
1760666;1514562059;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 15:30 mircea_popescu: ll ANSI compliant CL implementations with specialized versions tuned for implementations that offer unboxed 64bit arithmetic, unboxed 32bit arithmetic and for implementations with efficient fixnum arithmetic, i.e. requiring fixnums that can represent (unsigned-byte 16)."
1760667;1514562067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nibble was a HALF BYTE! and a byte was REGISTER WIDTH. so no, it wasn't customarily 4, it was customarily half of 8 for as long as registers were 8. nibble today should be 32 bits.
1760668;1514562105;*;mircea_popescu should put this in the very blog in question but plox take out that damned chicken clucking thing.
1760669;1514562107;asciilifeform;consider the approach in ffa. only critical bottlenecks, that soak up 90+% of cycles and create an impractically-slow rsa op , get massaged ~to the extent necessary~ , and without compromising type safety
1760670;1514562124;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a byte is still 8.
1760671;1514562136;mircea_popescu;not in my ideal world ;/
1760672;1514562139;asciilifeform;this is a persistent confusion , byte vs register , in mircea_popescu's head, and will have to be cured
1760673;1514562147;mircea_popescu;a byte is fucking 64 bits in all compliant machinery.
1760674;1514562152;asciilifeform;lol i'm for 11bit bytes then!1
1760675;1514562158;mircea_popescu;for some machines.
1760676;1514562170;asciilifeform;rs232 et al eat 8bit bytes, sadly
1760677;1514562190;asciilifeform;no practical way around it.
1760678;1514562195;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i understand why the sins of the flesh make this unavoidable. but it's still fucking wrong god damned it all to heck.
1760679;1514562213;asciilifeform;in that sense binary-logic was the original sin.
1760680;1514562224;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform has written on the subj in the past, and will again )
1760681;1514562225;mircea_popescu;and why the fuck would you maintain it in a place which has no need to maintain it. ffa is free from said flesh.
1760682;1514562246;asciilifeform;nope. it relies on binary shifts, and on bitnesses being powers of 2
1760683;1514562251;asciilifeform;makes karatsuba cut cleanly.
1760684;1514562267;asciilifeform;( abolishing the otherwise inescapable copying and special-cases )
1760685;1514562269;mircea_popescu;but not on "byte" meaning anything other than what it does, which is to say... "how much the machine takes in at a time"
1760686;1514562305;asciilifeform;afaik all of the routines as they stand nao, will work on nontraditional bitnesses of bytes and bytenesses of words
1760687;1514562314;mircea_popescu;i know.
1760688;1514562320;asciilifeform;but not nontraditional arity of bit.
1760689;1514562344;asciilifeform;all of them but the FFA_IO items and the hex_digit thing.
1760690;1514562398;asciilifeform;it also so happens that i do not own a non8bitbyte iron to test on, nor know where to obtain such.
1760691;1514562413;asciilifeform;would have to be emulated, and gcc retargeted...
1760692;1514562425;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760654 << fucking annoying this imperial summarization style. "it had a bug" costs as much to say as "it had so and so bug". but nooooo, god forbid anything effectual ever occurs.
1760693;1514562425;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 15:35 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760640 << would be interesting to see exactly how this 'bug' looked. but currently can't be arsed to unearth the old crud ( where even is it )
1760694;1514562453;asciilifeform;( this is prolly doomed to happen in the end. i.e. gotta retarget gnat to a simplified mips or the like, and then run in emulator, verify actual clock cycle counts )
1760695;1514562466;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i very frankly expect exactly nothing to be done about it ; i'm just bitter and that's all.
1760696;1514562522;shinohai;kek http://archive.is/Og41F
1760697;1514562531;asciilifeform;eggog
1760698;1514562542;asciilifeform;but just as well, loox like rubbish
1760699;1514562549;BingoBoingo;89909
1760700;1514562553;asciilifeform;srsly shinohai reddit is worse habit than smoking
1760701;1514562554;asciilifeform;by far.
1760702;1514562564;asciilifeform;you ain't ever getting those brain cycles back
1760703;1514562582;BingoBoingo;Srsly, at least smoking provides social cover when you lack other vices
1760704;1514562590;shinohai;why foxx?
1760705;1514562596;asciilifeform;i hear also drives off plague flea
1760706;1514562617;BingoBoingo;AHA, and mosquito
1760707;1514562658;BingoBoingo;And plenty of pretty girls need to know who to ask for a light
1760708;1514562693;mircea_popescu;reading the keccak lisp thing that unpleasant irk becomes inescapably evident : this is just fucking "advanced" rot 13.
1760709;1514562704;mircea_popescu;"here's our list of 13s" "here's our  other list of 13s"
1760710;1514562724;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: revelation : ALL classic hash algos are .
1760711;1514562734;mircea_popescu;i keep trying to not think so.
1760712;1514562736;asciilifeform;ditto symmetric ciphers ( we already discussed, they are equivalent )
1760713;1514562754;asciilifeform;keccak in fact can be used as cipher without modification ( it dun suffer length-extensions )
1760714;1514562786;mircea_popescu;here, might as well : in case anyone needs magic numbers, for lottery or w/e, you can just use ( 0 36 3 41 18) ( 1 44 10 45 2) (62 6 43 15 61) (28 55 25 21 56) (27 20 39 8 14
1760715;1514562791;mircea_popescu;just as magic as anything else.
1760716;1514562792;asciilifeform;more specifically, you can use it as cipher without modification and without suffering immediate kindermat
1760717;1514562822;asciilifeform;( unlike e.g. sha2 )
1760718;1514562909;asciilifeform;but to return upstack , if one could design a satisfactory ( somehow! ) hash , it would thereby also necessarily be a satisfactory symm cipher.
1760719;1514562912;asciilifeform;and vice-versa.
1760720;1514562919;asciilifeform;and prng.
1760721;1514562924;asciilifeform;!#s cipher triangle
1760722;1514562924;a111;0 results for "cipher triangle", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cipher%20triangle
1760723;1514562926;asciilifeform;hm
1760724;1514562932;asciilifeform;could've sworn we had this thread.
1760725;1514562966;*;BingoBoingo pretty sure thread had, but under what key words...
1760726;1514562969;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621207
1760727;1514562969;a111;Logged on 2017-03-02 18:13 asciilifeform: they are sides of the same triangle.
1760728;1514562974;asciilifeform;^ thread.
1760729;1514562999;asciilifeform;( or rather, starting here, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621201 )
1760730;1514562999;a111;Logged on 2017-03-02 18:10 asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'.
1760731;1514563069;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/26/as-it-turns-out-fireworks-do-not-photograph-well-navidad-in-the-land-of-tranquility/#comment-114452
1760732;1514563070;asciilifeform;this item is the sucking black hole of suction at the heart of all modern cryptohokum
1760733;1514563154;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760692 << they don't want you to LOOK at the 'bug'. elementarily.
1760734;1514563154;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 15:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760654 << fucking annoying this imperial summarization style. "it had a bug" costs as much to say as "it had so and so bug". but nooooo, god forbid anything effectual ever occurs.
1760735;1514563170;mircea_popescu;fucktards.
1760736;1514563186;asciilifeform;would rather magic it away. like in microshit's ciphered patches. ( i knew folx who made a comfortable living simply by reversing those. )
1760737;1514563230;mircea_popescu;entirely chtonic civilisation, it copied more from the original socialists than just goebbel's radio playlist. it fucking copied the will-to-die, and substantially.
1760738;1514563240;mircea_popescu;what the american aims to is to no longer exist.
1760739;1514563262;asciilifeform;and not to die 'with a bang' driving panzer over untermenschen, either
1760740;1514563273;mircea_popescu;"maybe if i sit really still i cease to be ? no ? how about if i also close eyes ? still ? plug ears as well, how about then ???"
1760741;1514563284;mircea_popescu;no, they want to die quietly and alone in a corner.
1760742;1514563285;asciilifeform;but moar like victorian typhoidal 'nedeflorena' or who was it
1760743;1514563299;mircea_popescu;lol!
1760744;1514563301;mircea_popescu;you get that joke ?
1760745;1514563311;asciilifeform;aha reread recently
1760746;1514563317;mircea_popescu;pretty good
1760747;1514563321;asciilifeform;it was.
1760748;1514563334;asciilifeform;trilema-1armbandit a+++ would roll again
1760749;1514563336;mircea_popescu;you'll ruin my idea of romanian difficulty and i'll end up going "what, you don't get this kindergarten fare?!?!" at poor innocent slavegirls.
1760750;1514563353;asciilifeform;it's not a martian lang or anyffing, not rice kingdom hieroglyph.
1760751;1514563376;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo is prolly almost ready to eat it at this point
1760752;1514563428;asciilifeform;relatedly http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740761 is apparently quite popular, but no meaningful backlink-headerolade, so i have nfi by whom/why
1760753;1514563428;a111;Logged on 2017-11-19 19:22 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_tech.txt  http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_expr.txt   << 313333337 w4r3z
1760754;1514563449;mircea_popescu;(for les autres : defloration is another word for losing one's virginity. the woman's name being lorena, and her disposition deeply pubescent anxiotic (you should know what this is) which is beyond ridiculous in a 40yo not to mention hysterical given the amount of compensatory covers-for-impotence she engages in, pretending entirely without basis to be an actress, poetess and whatnot -- the nedeflorena name immediately clicke
1760755;1514563449;mircea_popescu;d.)
1760756;1514563464;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It turns out that Portuguese is making a strong case for third lang
1760757;1514563483;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo once man takes ibovniki, man can not stop at arbitrary count.
1760758;1514563494;mircea_popescu;!#s 0 1 infinity
1760759;1514563494;a111;13 results for "0 1 infinity", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=0%201%20infinity
1760760;1514563496;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Aha
1760761;1514563503;mircea_popescu;oh no fucking way. this was a leit-motif
1760762;1514563521;asciilifeform;!#s one two three infinity
1760763;1514563521;a111;1 result for "one two three infinity", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=one%20two%20three%20infinity
1760764;1514563527;asciilifeform;gamow
1760765;1514563562;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-14#1163905
1760766;1514563562;a111;Logged on 2015-06-14 16:31 mircea_popescu: that's ok, the rule is 0 1 infinity.
1760767;1514563576;mircea_popescu;apparently disused
1760768;1514563590;asciilifeform;traditionally the 3 is in'ere. e.g. 'what three know, the sow knows'
1760769;1514563604;asciilifeform;( does that exist in english ? )
1760770;1514563663;mircea_popescu;im sure
1760771;1514563778;BingoBoingo;The ordering is more one of prioritizing. No need to stop. At any number of languages, but the focus can shift. As time makes the spanish more comfortable, Portuguese is a natural next point of focus.
1760772;1514563785;asciilifeform;1 of these days asciilifeform gotta translate maslennikov. the ONLY afaik discussion of The Gaping Black Hole Of Cryptohokum that exists outside of tmsr.
1760773;1514563793;asciilifeform;!#s maslennikov
1760774;1514563793;a111;19 results for "maslennikov", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=maslennikov
1760775;1514563822;mircea_popescu;doesn't the pet read ru ?
1760776;1514563847;asciilifeform;about as well as i read ro
1760777;1514563864;mircea_popescu;so give her a copy, correct the item she produces and there you go, she got a blog now.
1760778;1514563872;mircea_popescu;speaking of copies, anyone got anathem warez ?
1760779;1514563998;asciilifeform;1s
1760780;1514564081;asciilifeform;got it here, but it's a html zip
1760781;1514564092;asciilifeform;( aka 'epub' )
1760782;1514564113;mircea_popescu;can work
1760783;1514564130;asciilifeform;can load OPS/xhtml/contents.xhtml in lynx , i think
1760784;1514564135;*;mircea_popescu has long despaired of any hope anyone would produce text in some kind of proper format.
1760785;1514564146;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can put it through bash grindfer, make it be text.
1760786;1514564153;asciilifeform;it's chapterized
1760787;1514564160;mircea_popescu;cat exists
1760788;1514564214;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/warez/a.epub
1760789;1514564244;mircea_popescu;ty
1760790;1514564246;asciilifeform;( can unzip like ordinary pkzip , or even view on crappletron etc )
1760791;1514564257;asciilifeform;it's actually why asciilifeform keeps a crappletron
1760792;1514564266;mircea_popescu;the next article title will be "we shall now read anathem", if that wasn't obvious
1760793;1514564290;asciilifeform;lolyes
1760794;1514564320;mircea_popescu;o look, there's a pt07 AND a part07
1760795;1514564324;mircea_popescu;yay for ambiguous
1760796;1514564335;asciilifeform;contents.xhtml
1760797;1514564346;mircea_popescu;a cool.
1760798;1514564482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NwUJd/?raw=true
1760799;1514564499;asciilifeform;^ 3133333333337 ascii w4r3z
1760800;1514564507;asciilifeform;you can throw the html.
1760801;1514564545;asciilifeform;( unless you like flipping to the glossary, stephenson did a bit of lem-like play with language )
1760802;1514564576;mircea_popescu;im set, thanx.
1760803;1514564880;mircea_popescu;please tell me hylaea is not a reference to the fucking futurists
1760804;1514564893;asciilifeform;none of it is much of a reference to anything, save for a coupla old greeks
1760805;1514564932;asciilifeform;this was the d00d's 1 properly original item.
1760806;1514564947;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform's single favourite piece of english 'sf'.
1760807;1514564994;mircea_popescu;"Science fiction author Neal Stephenson has become the "Chief Futurist" of Magic Leap, an augmented reality company"
1760808;1514564997;mircea_popescu;i beg your pardon ?
1760809;1514565050;asciilifeform;he went full tard coupla yrs ago. it was sad.
1760810;1514565052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dja know the group im talking of ? "pushkin should be thrown overboard the steamship of modernity" ?
1760811;1514565078;asciilifeform;nope. and i suspect i'll regret finding out.
1760812;1514565089;asciilifeform;just pretend he's dead...
1760813;1514565099;mircea_popescu;Пощёчина общественному вкусу
1760814;1514565122;asciilifeform;really he oughta have fallen victim to a falling turtle after writing 'anathem'.
1760815;1514565150;mircea_popescu;imo the only proper root of 4chan.
1760816;1514566755;asciilifeform;in other noose, ben_vulpes , trinque , ircbot on sbcl 1.0.38-3.el6 : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aojeZ/?raw=true
1760817;1514566779;asciilifeform;^ by all indications, cl-irc is broken by something-or-other in the massive pot-o-liquishit
1760818;1514566804;asciilifeform;^ triggered by the ircbot-connect invocation .
1760819;1514567683;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot
1760820;1514567684;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1760821;1514567689;asciilifeform;!A [helloworld]
1760822;1514567689;pehbot;asciilifeform: helloworld
1760823;1514567692;asciilifeform;!!down pehbot
1760824;1514567701;asciilifeform;^ will hang around, nao.
1760825;1514567747;asciilifeform;( it dun work with privmsg yet. but otherwise caan use. )
1760826;1514567916;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other recent 'to allcomers' lulz , https://archive.is/3OTat >> '...n the Tesla world as a Model S owner built a cryptocurrency mining rig in his electric car... The idea was suggested in order to use the free access to electricity with the Supercharger network. Technically, if someone is able to draw power from the Tesla to power those mining systems... '
1760827;1514568268;mircea_popescu;o wow, socialism doesn't work in way #5465498758
1760828;1514568292;asciilifeform;sadly working miners are ~unobtainable so it won't become a mass item
1760829;1514568306;asciilifeform;but perhaps sumthingelse... say, aluminum refining..
1760830;1514568600;phf;asciilifeform: i know this one, it's unix!
1760831;1514568612;asciilifeform;ahahahahalol
1760832;1514568625;asciilifeform;onlywinningmoveisnottoplay(tm)(r)
1760833;1514568632;asciilifeform;or am i mixing my 1980solade
1760834;1514568696;phf;asciilifeform: serve event is a cmucl way of tracking streams of every kind (since no threading, repl mainloop is a reactor pattern). sbcl has just lifted the whole thing, but then never really redid the architecture
1760835;1514568737;phf;so that's why you sometimes get an infinite error loop with fd-register somesuch when you abruptly lose connection
1760836;1514568748;asciilifeform;this wasn't an abrupt- anything
1760837;1514568754;phf;right right
1760838;1514568757;asciilifeform;it was a whole majorversion of sbcl that simply won't usocket..
1760839;1514568768;phf;can i fucking finish?
1760840;1514568770;*;asciilifeform ended up digging up another and replacing
1760841;1514568772;asciilifeform;aha?
1760842;1514568856;phf;so instead of addressing the core machinery, they put these hooks all over the place, where some things are part of serve event, and some are not. anyway, you ran into the fact that 1.0.42 introduced a flag to socket-make-stream :serve-events, which is true by default. it was later changed to false
1760843;1514568896;phf;but usocket probably defensively passes serve-events nil to make sure that "legacy" machinery doesn't kick in, because nobody knows about it, or wants to deal with it
1760844;1514568911;phf;relevant patch https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/commit/6e02a5455aeef5a4642a2334348544c1f19775ad#diff-912df0bf4505a2db68a4b714e475e225R385
1760845;1514568926;asciilifeform;ugh
1760846;1514568932;phf;yo, modern sbcl!
1760847;1514568963;*;asciilifeform can't wait to tip that particular cement mixer..
1760848;1514568965;phf;if you want all of your compatability layers to work, you are forced to run trunk of everything.
1760849;1514569006;phf;(which is by the way not what i do, i just fucking fix. every. single. fucking. piece. of. quicklisp. packaged. code. i. get. my. hands. on. motherfuckers)
1760850;1514569018;asciilifeform;gotta post these fixes
1760851;1514569043;asciilifeform;or at least the process whereby produced.
1760852;1514569115;phf;it's not added up to coherent whole yet. so far the conclusion is that compatability layers are evil, and that you basically have to maintain own versions of everything that abstracts your lisp implementation details
1760853;1514569189;asciilifeform;of everything -- period
1760854;1514569210;asciilifeform;otherwise you have 'submarine with screen door'.
1760855;1514569214;phf;it would be perhaps worthwhile to triangulate sbcl towards a common deployment platform
1760856;1514569392;phf;and it is submarine with screen doors. it's possible that asdf in vpatches is the door through which the horror comes.
1760857;1514569416;phf;(not to mention what i bring up all the time, that asdf itself is the horror now)
1760858;1514569445;asciilifeform;i expect there'll be plenty of rubbish in the genesis. as there was in trb.
1760859;1514569451;asciilifeform;point is that it becomes removable!
1760860;1514569478;asciilifeform;and naturally no pulling-in of anything , in asdf or other packagetron, that hasn't been vgenesised.
1760861;1514569493;asciilifeform;( or whole effort is that very same submarine )
1760862;1514569495;phf;one solution could be to, e.g. post cl-irc, but hard coded to a specific sbcl implementation. whoever wants to port it elsewhere (like cmucl or whatever) can just post a #-sbcl #+cmucl vpatch, etc.
1760863;1514569551;phf;(fwiw ircbot is already sbcl specific, since it relies on a bunch of sbcl threading extensions, so pulling compat layer for cl-irc is a waste)
1760864;1514569583;asciilifeform;nao this is so. it prolly oughta use naked sbclism for sockets.
1760865;1514569599;asciilifeform;or even ffiism
1760866;1514572988;ben_vulpes;phf: neat summary, ty
1760867;1514573047;ben_vulpes;i started vendoring swaths of lisp code recently myself
1760868;1514573087;ben_vulpes;while useful in some contexts, once phf said 'asdf is a pig with lipstick', could not unsee.
1760869;1514573985;phf;ben_vulpes: note that older versions of asdf actually work. i've been running 1.369 in my cmucl, and it does require manually updating half of your asdf to remove various later extensions, but it works
1760870;1514574068;phf;1.369 is 1548 cloc vs. 3.3.1 10789!
1760871;1514574076;asciilifeform;holyfuq
1760872;1514574162;phf;there's actually some extensions that are not necessarily evil (like :email or :author in a defsystem), bulk of fail comes from test-op, that's not supported in old version, but that nobody uses test-op consistently at all
1760873;1514574233;phf;also particularly gendered packages outright put #-asdf3 (error "requires asdf3") and ~usually~ it's because they silently rely on uiop, far's unix compatability layer
1760874;1514574331;phf;fare claims somewhere that he solved a gnarly dependency resolution bug in asdf, but the nature of bug is never revealed, and SAT is never mentioned (i suspect most bugs in asdf would be SAT related)
1760875;1514574376;asciilifeform;sat ??
1760876;1514574379;asciilifeform;as in n-sat ?!
1760877;1514574432;phf;sat as in satisfiability problem
1760878;1514574452;asciilifeform;why is that in there??
1760879;1514574459;asciilifeform;v dun have a sat-solver!!
1760880;1514574499;phf;well, dependency resolution is a SAT problem at its core
1760881;1514574534;phf;and there's probably no formal sat in asdf. i'm saying that bulk of dependency resolution problems would come from sat though
1760882;1514574560;asciilifeform;again observe, v runs without a general satsolver.
1760883;1514574592;asciilifeform;why it -- can, but asdf liquishit - cannot ??
1760884;1514574624;asciilifeform;lemme guess, there are blocking packages ? that can't be used together on 1 system ?!
1760885;1514574628;asciilifeform;i.e. a 'not gate'
1760886;1514574817;phf;v runs with a special case of sat solver. i don't understand which part of "asdf doesn't have a sat solver" and "sat is never mentioned" is not clear. i'm saying that whatever dependency resolution is always a special case of sat. you put some contraints on it (no cirlces, etc.) and then you can have special case solutions.
1760887;1514574861;asciilifeform;lol in this sense an adder is 'specialcase of satsolver'
1760888;1514574868;asciilifeform;errythingis
1760889;1514574868;phf;v also doesn't solve all the problems that asdf attempts to solve (for example compilation dependency)
1760890;1514574881;asciilifeform;i'll bite : how not ?
1760891;1514574896;asciilifeform;if your universe is vtronic, you dun have 'dependencyproblems'. definitionally.
1760892;1514574942;phf;v relies on build systems to actually build
1760893;1514574996;phf;so your entire makefile logic is outside of scope of v
1760894;1514575098;phf;for example one thing that i tried with my lisp workflow is to have the system automatically compile/load touched files in their order of appearance in a v patch. but the order here is explicitly linear, requires fiddling with patch order, and is definitely not how we use it now
1760895;1514575431;phf;also v doesn't recognize state. in a tree A->B pressing to A, then loading, then pressing to B, then loading is different than pressing to B right away and loading the result
1760896;1514575578;phf;obviously not designed for that, but the assumption here then is that you're running a fresh instance for each fresh press, which is suboptimal for a lisp (this particular detail will likewise come up when v is run on an always-on system of any kind, be that a cuntoo or a lispm)
1760897;1514575783;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760893 << this is a thing to be eventually fixed.
1760898;1514575783;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 19:16 phf: so your entire makefile logic is outside of scope of v
1760899;1514575797;asciilifeform;( incidentally gprbuild, which is used in ffa, is quite interesting. )
1760900;1514575844;asciilifeform;and to the extent lisps dun play nicely with freshly-pressed instances -- it is the lisps which are broken
1760901;1514575878;asciilifeform;the irreplicable-churning-pot-of-liquishit mentality that always-on items tend to suffer from -- is a disease, will have to be cured.
1760902;1514575894;asciilifeform;*extant
1760903;1514576108;phf;lisps deal with freshly-pressed instances as well as anything else: by doing a clean restart. my point is not lisps, my point is that current solution assumes lack of state and delegates the problem to a non-v-tronic build system
1760904;1514576145;asciilifeform;phf: i was thinking of cures in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758977
1760905;1514576145;a111;Logged on 2017-12-27 02:01 asciilifeform: picture a kind of 'multiverse ada', where you dun call foo(bar), but instead foo:somepatchid(bar:somepatchid) etc, explicitly conforming to 'multiversism'...
1760906;1514576151;asciilifeform;i.e. a fully vtronic evaluator
1760907;1514576166;asciilifeform;rather than 'automatic clean starts' crapola
1760908;1514578141;shinohai;Ripple scam overtakes mETH in "market cap" O.o
1760909;1514579170;BingoBoingo;In other news NYC apartment fire that killed 12 being called deadlist since 1992 provinding ample fodder for 9/11 lovers
1760910;1514580618;asciilifeform;in other idiocies, 'you are rightly observing that svg doesn't support word-wrapping directly. however, you might benefit from foreignObject elements serving as a wrapper for xhtml fragments where word-wrapping is available.'
1760911;1514580640;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform , like complete idiot, went and thought... 'i can make a useful diagram! with svg ! which exists!' )
1760912;1514580646;asciilifeform;turns out -- nodice
1760913;1514582949;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760846 << he's impressively informed isn't he.
1760914;1514582949;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 17:35 phf: yo, modern sbcl!
1760915;1514583024;mircea_popescu;here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839
1760916;1514583024;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 17:32 phf: can i fucking finish?
1760917;1514583053;mircea_popescu;in a sense you convict yourself to ricochet.
1760918;1514583060;mircea_popescu;does this make any sense ?
1760919;1514583216;asciilifeform;sbcl is a pretty interesting example of one of those spiked pits, like e.g. gcc -- items to which there is no practical alternative except 'throw away the comp and build log cabin'. but asciilifeform does not have phf's deep historical view of sbcl/cmucl ; asciilifeform arrived into the spiked pit directly
1760920;1514583240;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760849 << but not like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756758 ; why not ? cheap entry right there. /me would definitely read phf's fixed lisp code shelf.
1760921;1514583240;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 17:36 phf: (which is by the way not what i do, i just fucking fix. every. single. fucking. piece. of. quicklisp. packaged. code. i. get. my. hands. on. motherfuckers)
1760922;1514583240;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 11:20 diana_coman: for fun: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/21/eucrypt-correcting-mpi-implementation/#comment-1011
1760923;1514583266;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's more, if he gets married deep historical view is in danger of simply going away.
1760924;1514583270;asciilifeform;aha!!
1760925;1514583276;asciilifeform;hence the urgency of 'write!'
1760926;1514583459;mircea_popescu;phf and if you don't share with heathens, make it so !!shelf returns a pile encrypted to my key for instance, nothing wrong with that.
1760927;1514583481;mircea_popescu;"publish" means "form, and fix the form" not necessarily "share with cows".
1760928;1514583499;*;asciilifeform mutters something re how naggum might still live if he had this
1760929;1514583506;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1760930;1514583661;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: bots page updated with pehbot.
1760931;1514583667;asciilifeform;ty pete_dushenski !
1760932;1514583670;mircea_popescu;ty
1760933;1514583695;pete_dushenski;np at all
1760934;1514583698;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i recommend against the hardcoded summary tho,it'll change regularly
1760935;1514583702;asciilifeform;( with each ch )
1760936;1514583706;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759374 << lookup has been there for a while :)
1760937;1514583706;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 02:58 shinohai: ah mircea_popescu lookup has been there a while, but i think i forgot to have pete_dushenski push it to his bots page updates.
1760938;1514583714;asciilifeform;just give it the help text.
1760939;1514583738;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: gotcha. just updating that...
1760940;1514583742;asciilifeform;and it ain't !W
1760941;1514583759;asciilifeform;( mismatched b/w title of section and the chart )
1760942;1514583771;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot
1760943;1514583771;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1760944;1514583774;asciilifeform;!A help
1760945;1514583774;pehbot;asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
1760946;1514583806;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski not the "or addressed directly" rider either.
1760947;1514583839;asciilifeform;yeah that dun happen, it was before mircea_popescu made a prefix for it
1760948;1514583884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing wrong with summary as is, so it'll change, still better an idea than a blank.
1760949;1514583887;pete_dushenski;oh ok. fixed.
1760950;1514583905;asciilifeform;i still see 'pehbot – maintained by asciilifeform – call command “!W”'
1760951;1514583925;asciilifeform;which is wrong, that's candi_lustt's prefix
1760952;1514583957;pete_dushenski;fixed now :/
1760953;1514583976;asciilifeform;ty pete_dushenski , looxgood
1760954;1514584005;asciilifeform;can haz link to ffaseries plox ? ( http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=49 is the metalink )
1760955;1514584037;asciilifeform;stuff it behind the 'Finite Field....' phrase
1760956;1514584174;pete_dushenski;howzitlooknao ?
1760957;1514584575;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760869 << this sounds suspiciously familiar.
1760958;1514584575;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 18:59 phf: ben_vulpes: note that older versions of asdf actually work. i've been running 1.369 in my cmucl, and it does require manually updating half of your asdf to remove various later extensions, but it works
1760959;1514584649;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760873 << you know it's compatible, compatibility, no such thing as compatable.
1760960;1514584649;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 19:03 phf: also particularly gendered packages outright put #-asdf3 (error "requires asdf3") and ~usually~ it's because they silently rely on uiop, far's unix compatability layer
1760961;1514584732;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760879 << and what a major advantage this is!
1760962;1514584732;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 19:07 asciilifeform: v dun have a sat-solver!!
1760963;1514584793;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760889 << oyesitdoes.
1760964;1514584793;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 19:14 phf: v also doesn't solve all the problems that asdf attempts to solve (for example compilation dependency)
1760965;1514584907;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760894 << why ?
1760966;1514584907;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 19:18 phf: for example one thing that i tried with my lisp workflow is to have the system automatically compile/load touched files in their order of appearance in a v patch. but the order here is explicitly linear, requires fiddling with patch order, and is definitely not how we use it now
1760967;1514584937;pete_dushenski;!!withdraw 0.1456 1824qTKoHQZghCiQnRsjyCWWPY94yJZC9W
1760968;1514584943;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/O7RgB/?raw=true
1760969;1514584952;mircea_popescu;is the entirety of this fiddling you going "i'm curious how this thing could work/break at the edges?" or is it rather "i wonder how i could run a v tree as an infrastructure node without reboots" ?
1760970;1514585043;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760903 << rather the current design deproblematizes state altogether (in this sense of state, and problem). hence his comments re "then lisps are broken".
1760971;1514585043;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 19:35 phf: lisps deal with freshly-pressed instances as well as anything else: by doing a clean restart. my point is not lisps, my point is that current solution assumes lack of state and delegates the problem to a non-v-tronic build system
1760972;1514585113;mircea_popescu;but from a sustainability pow : eulora server currently restarts weekly ; not necessarily because it absolutely must, but because i deliberately did not want to provide a "continuous" item in this sense.
1760973;1514585186;asciilifeform;the 'holy grail' is items which are demonstrably safe to operate continuously -- i.e. fsa with no wedge states. these are not so easy to achieve; FUCKGOATS is one example
1760974;1514585194;mircea_popescu;i can understand the fascination with "this orrery has been in clickety-clacking continuously since 1625", but let's point out that it relies on a) THIS orrery, as opposed to "constantly changing randomly pile of cogs" and b) it's a discrete mechanism, like the human heart. it takes a break every beat. essentially the problem has been hidden, by these, not resolved.
1760975;1514585207;asciilifeform;( and 1 of the few readily accessible pieces of digital gear that fit this description , afaik )
1760976;1514585212;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fuckgoats still is THIS orrery, rather than "hotswappable"
1760977;1514585224;asciilifeform;actually you can hotswap the analogue boards
1760978;1514585231;asciilifeform;this is in fact part of uncrating test, recall.
1760979;1514585233;mircea_popescu;but not the controller.
1760980;1514585239;asciilifeform;why not ?
1760981;1514585247;asciilifeform;i do it regularly, when testing'em
1760982;1514585254;asciilifeform;not as if the serial dongle gives a fuck
1760983;1514585257;mircea_popescu;while getting entropy out ?
1760984;1514585274;asciilifeform;well for a short while there ain't any, when nothing plugged in
1760985;1514585277;asciilifeform;but also no faux-entropy
1760986;1514585281;mircea_popescu;THIS orrery. not "some collection of parts".
1760987;1514585287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly.
1760988;1514585295;asciilifeform;4 parts ( serialdongle, controller, the 2 analogueboards )
1760989;1514585313;asciilifeform;can replace in any order and any subset
1760990;1514585341;mircea_popescu;the point is that item either a) operates continuously, provided it is THIS item, ie, this specific collection of parts or else b) is stopped while beingt serviced, ie having a cog replaced. there's no clock that works while having its cogs switched around.
1760991;1514585363;asciilifeform;in point of fact it dun stop when you pull 1 of 2 analogueboards
1760992;1514585369;mircea_popescu;nor is there such a thing as triple bypass while running a marathon
1760993;1514585388;mircea_popescu;nor is it reasonable thereby to expect "this lisp instance runs while a new press gets pulled in"
1760994;1514585424;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phf's observation was re how lisp systems often accumulate GBs of state that takes weeks to re-create programatically
1760995;1514585444;asciilifeform;which is troo . and 'not bug, but feature' and in fact plays poorly with vtronics
1760996;1514585449;asciilifeform;but i still blame the lisps, not v.
1760997;1514585450;mircea_popescu;i thought it was re his difficulties in updating the machinery behind btcbase without downtime
1760998;1514585470;asciilifeform;iirc 1 of the ways he got the thing to stand up reliably was via exactly 'save-lisp-and-die' snapshot.
1760999;1514585481;asciilifeform;but i'll let phf answer the particulars of this.
1761000;1514585482;mircea_popescu;i seem to recall this
1761001;1514585489;*;asciilifeform brb, meat
1761002;1514585496;mircea_popescu;i also seem to recall he didn't like it for some reason. anyways.
1761003;1514585557;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760908 << i know, i went over and pissed in http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ 's cereal a little bit this morning.
1761004;1514585557;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 20:09 shinohai: Ripple scam overtakes mETH in "market cap" O.o
1761005;1514585590;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544670 was the last i recall on the topic
1761006;1514585590;a111;Logged on 2016-09-18 22:53 phf: yes, scp, screen, asdf. i had a v based deployment but i wasn't happy with it, so i'm trying to rethink it
1761007;1514585619;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760909 << recall the good old days when the "reddit experts" / pantsuit&allies actually got to burn in warehouses rather than 18sqft ny apartments ?
1761008;1514585619;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 20:26 BingoBoingo: In other news NYC apartment fire that killed 12 being called deadlist since 1992 provinding ample fodder for 9/11 lovers
1761009;1514585635;mircea_popescu;seems like the pantsuit lost 90% of sqfootage per capita in the past three years, from ~10 to ~1.
1761010;1514585670;ben_vulpes;pfffhaha
1761011;1514586606;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760911 << pre-TeX it for svg ?
1761012;1514586606;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 20:50 asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform , like complete idiot, went and thought... 'i can make a useful diagram! with svg ! which exists!' )
1761013;1514589677;asciilifeform;svg, funnily enuff, can't do text worth a shit
1761014;1514589712;asciilifeform;uses browser's text renderer, and requires extensive manual fiddling to , e.g., actually span a text with graphic
1761015;1514591294;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757448 << it just so happens that i saw one in vancouver's gastown neighbourhood last month. not the most tuneful steam whistle and it looks far older than the 40 years of age it actually is, but the plaque did indicate that it was something of a technical innovation. looked like a simplified rube goldberg machine to me.
1761016;1514591294;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 16:38 shinohai suddenly wonders if pete_dushenski has ever seen those steam-powered clocks that are in Canada ....
1761017;1514591447;pete_dushenski;can't have too many public clocks though. so much the more if they're technically novel.
1761018;1514592344;pete_dushenski;just read about the 5451-piece richard mille "jura" clock in quebec city, as it happens, and i'll definitely be checking it out next time i'm there. apparently the thing took 6 years to build, which isn't so hard to believe when you see that incorporates a perpetual calendar (which knows leap years from non-leap years, unlike an annual calendar), rementoire d'egalite (for improving accuracy), and equation of
1761019;1514592346;pete_dushenski;time (indicates variation between apparent and mean solar time)
1761020;1514592714;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760509 << well, I haven't be writing C for that long lol
1761021;1514592714;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 04:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760175 << musta started way the fuck up there then huh :D
1761022;1514592853;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760511 << possible that it got buried in the unconscious somewhere
1761023;1514592853;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 04:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760177 << funny, im pretty sure this was in the logs. as a naggum quote.
1761024;1514593214;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760528 << I swear I've seen it somewhere...
1761025;1514593214;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 05:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760180 << i'ma confess, i have nfi what is or could be 'elegant c'
1761026;1514593344;esthlos;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171229/#519 << oh, very interesting. I will look into that
1761027;1514593345;scriba;Logged on 2017-12-29: [05:16:58]  http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760156 << why not needleman-wunsch instead ?
1761028;1514596337;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1761029;1514596341;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14260.0, vol: 13663.03851253 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14104.0, vol: 49289.10667292 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14276.6, vol: 3270.19945719 | Volume-weighted last average: 14144.7093776
1761030;1514596861;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760909 << recall the good old days when the "reddit experts" / pantsuit&allies actually got to burn in warehouses rather than 18sqft ny apartments ?<< That was last year, and how did te steel melt if there was no fire??
1761031;1514596861;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 20:26 BingoBoingo: In other news NYC apartment fire that killed 12 being called deadlist since 1992 provinding ample fodder for 9/11 lovers
1761032;1514596876;BingoBoingo;body heat?
1761033;1514596917;mircea_popescu;maybe they fucked so vigurously, the friction alighted them.
1761034;1514596938;mircea_popescu;i know yesterday my hand smelled of burned rubber for wringing off teh used condom...
1761035;1514597066;BingoBoingo;Quizas...
1761036;1514597095;mod6;haha
1761037;1514602810;danielpbarron;!!up l0de
1761038;1514602810;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1761039;1514603068;l0de;The l0de radio hour is online! http://www.youtube.com/l0de/live call in live at 315-505-4666 TONIGHTS EPISODE: REMOTE AS FUCK, SHIT MAY NOT WORK
1761040;1514603722;mod6;lol, you're giving away a herse?
1761041;1514603792;mod6;apparently if you can suck your own dick...
1761042;1514604404;phf;from xach's quicklisp update "This update was created with an older version of SBCL. The latest SBCL includes ASDF 3.3.1, which breaks a handful of projects in ways that have not been resolved yet."
1761043;1514604454;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1761044;1514604480;ben_vulpes;yeah i recently tried a 'modern' asdf and recoiled in horror at how much it broke
1761045;1514604511;ben_vulpes;there's no way that Lord_dpb in the l0de chat is danielpbarron is it?
1761046;1514604576;ben_vulpes;"death to america" << ahahaha
1761047;1514604599;mod6;lol
1761048;1514604618;mod6;"are the air jordans still available?"  this is like the 3rd or 4th guy.
1761049;1514604626;mod6;!!up l0de
1761050;1514604627;deedbot;l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
1761051;1514604684;*;asciilifeform tuned in for coupla min, decided 'tards'
1761052;1514604689;mod6;^
1761053;1514604703;mod6;im about to hit the dumpswitch here too... trying to give it a chance.
1761054;1514604720;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes, yeah that's me
1761055;1514604731;asciilifeform;and what's more, the standard type of tard typically 'pirate radio'
1761056;1514604744;asciilifeform;gabgabgabilovethesoundofmyownvoiceprattleprattle
1761057;1514604817;phf;having this shit run in the background makes me feel like i finally made it into The Hackers
1761058;1514604857;mod6;hack urself a gibson yoh
1761059;1514604883;phf;like i'm that russian guy in a smoked out room on a tiny x60 "da. poyehali!"
1761060;1514606889;asciilifeform;in other googlolz, 'In response to user reports, we have disabled some features, such as comments, sharing, and suggested videos, because this video contains content that may be inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.'
1761061;1514607524;mircea_popescu;phf you know that show is apparently very popular with 60yos flattering themselves with "a technical facility" or w/e, clued-in by its own lights crowd?
1761062;1514607963;phf;it very much reminds me of 2600 and related radios. i guess it's the same brooklyn resistance scene. the east coast counterpart to west coast mondo holywood
1761063;1514608015;phf;(unrelatedly, i've read the backlog, i'm muling over it)
1761064;1514608035;mircea_popescu;i've yet to watch any.
1761065;1514608089;phf;!#s 2600
1761066;1514608090;a111;180 results for "2600", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=2600
1761067;1514608176;mircea_popescu;wait, i thought the hackers was some hbo/lifetime tv series.
1761068;1514608198;phf;oh oh, no the 90s movie with angelina jolie
1761069;1514608269;mircea_popescu;ah
1761070;1514608298;mircea_popescu;the matrix was better, showing that tits are wasted on the pantstupid.
1761071;1514608402;asciilifeform;lol the one with 'upload kungfu'
1761072;1514608415;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "the one"
1761073;1514608419;mircea_popescu;the all. the fucking ALL.
1761074;1514608434;asciilifeform;i only had the 'good fortune' of seeing 1
1761075;1514608466;phf;the matrix had a particularly bad fallout in moscow. i mean americans got off easy with "i'll show you the truth blue pill/red pill". i've lived through 3 years of 8 year old "neos"!
1761076;1514608485;*;asciilifeform can picture.
1761077;1514608503;mircea_popescu;hey, i lived through a few years of 12 yo sandokans.
1761078;1514608515;mircea_popescu;i dun think this is avoidable outside of chemical castration.
1761079;1514608569;mircea_popescu;(pirate / action guy in some early italian rehash of the eternal pirate franchise/noinsense. because no, none of this shit is ever new ; only the watching cows ever are.)
1761080;1514608596;asciilifeform;what'd it even look like for it to be new
1761081;1514608601;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1761082;1514608754;asciilifeform;in other cokemachines, https://strana.ua/news/114755-pokhishchennoho-v-kieve-rossijskoho-kriptovaljutchika-otpustili-za-1-million-dollarov.html << supposedly shinohai's ukr 'ransomed self for milliondollar in btc'
1761083;1514608777;mircea_popescu;so they pick him up again next weekend ?
1761084;1514608782;asciilifeform;( orig http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759378 )
1761085;1514608782;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 03:31 shinohai: http://archive.is/vAfjT   <<< now THIS is the lulziest thing, to me, of the entire week.
1761086;1514608800;asciilifeform;why not . ( cokemachine!111 )
1761087;1514608859;mircea_popescu;reminds me of that joke, with the guy trying to get a loan back
1761088;1514608861;mircea_popescu;!!up Meepsheep
1761089;1514608861;deedbot;Meepsheep voiced for 30 minutes.
1761090;1514608867;Meepsheep;ATTENTION ben_vulpes ATTENTION _whitelogger ATTENTION l0de ATTENTION luny ATTENTION kjj ATTENTION shinohai ATTENTION bad_duck ATTENTION Meepsheep ATTENTION adlai ATTENTION Cory ATTENTION spyked ATTENTION asciilifeform ATTENTION esthlos ATTENTION revnja ATTENTION Valfor ATTENTION lobbesbot ATTENTION r41n ATTENTION mircea_popescu ATTENTION pehbot
1761091;1514608867;Meepsheep;ATTENTION RagnarDanneskjol ATTENTION kanzure
1761092;1514608867;Meepsheep;ATTENTION jhvh1 ATTENTION midnightmagic ATTENTION pete_dushenski ATTENTION Framedragger ATTENTION The20YearIRCloud ATTENTION diana_coman ATTENTION gribble ATTENTION punto ATTENTION mimisbrunnr ATTENTION chrono ATTENTION aegis ATTENTION trinque ATTENTION barpub ATTENTION danielpbarron ATTENTION deedbot ATTENTION mobile46836 ATTENTION StarmanDeluxe ATTE
1761093;1514608867;Meepsheep;NTION candi_lustt ATTENTION dooglus ATTENTION
1761094;1514608867;Meepsheep;TomServo ATTENTION whaack ATTENTION MTW ATTENTION scriba ATTENTION webbyz ATTENTION manamex ATTENTION hanbot ATTENTION mod6 ATTENTION Techman ATTENTION mats ATTENTION jurov ATTENTION a111 ATTENTION toohigh ATTENTION davout_ ATTENTION lobbes ATTENTION yangwao_ ATTENTION joecool ATTENTION mquander ATTENTION BingoBoingo ATTENTION phf ATTENTION Cha
1761095;1514608868;Meepsheep;nServ ATTENTION tb0t ATTENTION ang-st ATTENTION
1761096;1514608869;Meepsheep;ATTENTION ben_vulpes ATTENTION _whitelogger ATTENTION l0de ATTENTION luny ATTENTION kjj ATTENTION shinohai ATTENTION bad_duck ATTENTION Meepsheep ATTENTION adlai ATTENTION Cory ATTENTION spyked ATTENTION asciilifeform ATTENTION esthlos ATTENTION revnja ATTENTION Valfor ATTENTION lobbesbot ATTENTION r41n ATTENTION mircea_popescu ATTENTION pehbot
1761097;1514608869;Meepsheep;ATTENTION RagnarDanneskjol ATTENTION kanzure
1761098;1514608869;Meepsheep;ATTENTION jhvh1 ATTENTION midnightmagic ATTENTION pete_dushenski ATTENTION Framedragger ATTENTION The20YearIRCloud ATTENTION diana_coman ATTENTION gribble ATTENTION punto ATTENTION mimisbrunnr ATTENTION chrono ATTENTION aegis ATTENTION trinque ATTENTION barpub ATTENTION danielpbarron ATTENTION deedbot ATTENTION mobile46836 ATTENTION StarmanDeluxe ATTE
1761099;1514608870;Meepsheep;NTION candi_lustt ATTENTION dooglus ATTENTION
1761100;1514608870;Meepsheep;TomServo ATTENTION whaack ATTENTION MTW ATTENTION scriba ATTENTION webbyz ATTENTION manamex ATTENTION hanbot ATTENTION mod6 ATTENTION Techman ATTENTION mats ATTENTION jurov ATTENTION a111 ATTENTION toohigh ATTENTION davout_ ATTENTION lobbes ATTENTION yangwao_ ATTENTION joecool ATTENTION mquander ATTENTION BingoBoingo ATTENTION phf ATTENTION Cha
1761101;1514608870;mircea_popescu;ffs.
1761102;1514608871;Meepsheep;nServ ATTENTION tb0t ATTENTION ang-st ATTENTION
1761103;1514608871;Meepsheep;ATTENTION ben_vulpes ATTENTION _whitelogger ATTENTION l0de ATTENTION luny ATTENTION kjj ATTENTION shinohai ATTENTION bad_duck ATTENTION Meepsheep ATTENTION adlai ATTENTION Cory ATTENTION spyked ATTENTION asciilifeform ATTENTION esthlos ATTENTION revnja ATTENTION Valfor ATTENTION lobbesbot ATTENTION r41n ATTENTION mircea_popescu ATTENTION pehbot
1761104;1514608872;Meepsheep;ATTENTION RagnarDanneskjol ATTENTION kanzure
1761105;1514608872;Meepsheep;ATTENTION jhvh1 ATTENTION midnightmagic ATTENTION pete_dushenski ATTENTION Framedragger ATTENTION The20YearIRCloud ATTENTION diana_coman ATTENTION gribble ATTENTION punto ATTENTION mimisbrunnr ATTENTION chrono ATTENTION aegis ATTENTION trinque ATTENTION barpub ATTENTION danielpbarron ATTENTION deedbot ATTENTION mobile46836 ATTENTION StarmanDeluxe ATTE
1761106;1514608873;Meepsheep;NTION candi_lustt ATTENTION dooglus ATTENTION
1761107;1514608873;Meepsheep;TomServo ATTENTION whaack ATTENTION MTW ATTENTION scriba ATTENTION webbyz ATTENTION manamex ATTENTION hanbot ATTENTION mod6 ATTENTION Techman ATTENTION mats ATTENTION jurov ATTENTION a111 ATTENTION toohigh ATTENTION davout_ ATTENTION lobbes ATTENTION yangwao_ ATTENTION joecool ATTENTION mquander ATTENTION BingoBoingo ATTENTION phf ATTENTION Cha
1761108;1514608873;mircea_popescu;!!down Meepsheep
1761109;1514608874;Meepsheep;nServ ATTENTION tb0t ATTENTION ang-st ATTENTION
1761110;1514608879;*;asciilifeform expected this
1761111;1514608906;asciilifeform;peyoteway.life lol
1761112;1514608917;MTW;some host
1761113;1514608939;mircea_popescu;you know, the kids really aren't very good at this.
1761114;1514609171;mircea_popescu;!!up biobag
1761115;1514609171;deedbot;biobag voiced for 30 minutes.
1761116;1514609397;mircea_popescu;!!up cutco
1761117;1514609397;deedbot;cutco voiced for 30 minutes.
1761118;1514609613;ben_vulpes;is there a point to that sort of spam that i don't understand?
1761119;1514609650;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/#selection-39.171-45.12 is the best i got.
1761120;1514610123;cutco;why freenode then
1761121;1514610367;danielpbarron;why efnet?
1761122;1514610543;phf;maybe he means why freenode when you're going to have a gatekeeper?
1761123;1514610580;cutco;yes
1761124;1514610610;phf;this also apropos http://pbfcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/PBF234-Finneas.png
1761125;1514611722;mircea_popescu;!!up cutco
1761126;1514611723;deedbot;cutco voiced for 30 minutes.
1761127;1514611736;mircea_popescu;cutco : historical accident, no more.
1761128;1514611835;*;mircea_popescu shall drop https://bananabo.xyz/ here. installgentoo.com runs an irc server apparently ; and you could get mysqldbs and a real gnu/linux shell!
1761129;1514612937;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/we-shall-now-read-anathem/ << Trilema - We shall now read Anathem...
1761130;1514629787;deedbot;pete_dushenski: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zwEy5/?raw=true
1761131;1514639305;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/a-gift-of-memory/ << Trilema - A gift of memory
1761132;1514647674;shinohai;From now on, I shall only !!up if I have rated you and the sum of 0.001 as introductory fee is paid to my deedbot coffers. ( trinque/foundation taxes may apply )
1761133;1514650202;ben_vulpes;shinohai: kinda silly, if you posrate someone they can up themselves
1761134;1514650528;diana_coman;also: give people a bit of rope to hang themselves with, what; if any sort of constraint makes sense it might be to ask them to register a key first *before* they get voice
1761135;1514652988;ben_vulpes;lending voice not yet so fraught as to be a formal introduction
1761136;1514654948;mircea_popescu;!!up zineKing
1761137;1514654948;deedbot;zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
1761138;1514655038;diana_coman;where's your castle zineKing ?
1761139;1514655763;zineKing;irc.jollo.org #sally
1761140;1514655791;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
1761141;1514655816;zineKing;my castle
1761142;1514655818;zineKing;duh?
1761143;1514655821;mircea_popescu;well yes lol
1761144;1514655848;zineKing;i am down for the cause
1761145;1514655852;zineKing;i have written many zines
1761146;1514655857;zineKing;hence, i am the zineKing
1761147;1514655858;mircea_popescu;o hey. link one ?
1761148;1514655890;zineKing;">This channel is logged."
1761149;1514655892;zineKing;nty fed
1761150;1514655897;asciilifeform;lol!!
1761151;1514655898;mircea_popescu;um
1761152;1514655910;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761149 << it's so people can read shit later.
1761153;1514655910;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 17:44 zineKing: nty fed
1761154;1514655960;mircea_popescu;ok this is the weirdest chan i ever saw. check this out http://jollo.org/sally/
1761155;1514656148;mircea_popescu;i suppose if we get tired of freenode we move to... jollo o.O
1761156;1514656166;ben_vulpes;certainly has better art
1761157;1514656241;mircea_popescu;i also didn't see any "code of conduct", which by now screams pantsuit like "real estate values" scream cardboard houses.
1761158;1514656638;mircea_popescu;zineKing is it your network or do you just hang out there ?
1761159;1514656754;mircea_popescu;heh
1761160;1514656756;mircea_popescu;!!up zineKing
1761161;1514656756;deedbot;zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
1761162;1514658788;BingoBoingo;!!up zineKing
1761163;1514658789;deedbot;zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
1761164;1514658798;BingoBoingo;Whos is your daddy and what does he do?
1761165;1514658948;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1761166;1514658953;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12618.0, vol: 21944.12049436 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12240.0, vol: 73926.72550639 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12688.8, vol: 4615.60117028 | Volume-weighted last average: 12343.161766
1761167;1514659139;shinohai;re th silliness is precisely the point ben_vulpes ... i turned of pms except for lords, most like jurov use /query instead anyway the proper way
1761168;1514659157;shinohai;spamola bots daily
1761169;1514659425;ben_vulpes;funnily i experience this approximately never
1761170;1514660291;asciilifeform;in other archaeolulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g-dyG-3uxQ
1761171;1514662920;ben_vulpes;!!rate jawbone2 1 new blood
1761172;1514662922;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Jvy3T/?raw=true
1761173;1514662947;ben_vulpes;!!v 02AEF7A724ECDDFE7D2A98B31B1104BE71D04CC8985E4D2008CED0AA8D1654E4
1761174;1514662947;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated jawbone2 1 << new blood
1761175;1514662965;ben_vulpes;now up thyself
1761176;1514663311;jawbone2;Thank you for you help ben_vulpes
1761177;1514663338;jawbone2;It is a pleasure to finally be speaking here.
1761178;1514663446;jawbone2;I would like to set up a full republican node.  I have the hardware and the instructions from the bitcoin foundation are pretty clear.   I would like to know if you have any recommendations for a VPN service  with port forwarding of course.
1761179;1514663459;jawbone2;I live in the US.
1761180;1514663463;trinque;what's the vpn for?
1761181;1514663588;jawbone2;I would like to run the bitcoin node and a small webserver.   My ISP would require a much more expensive business account to open port 80.   A VPN with a static IP on the other end would allow me to get around this limitation.
1761182;1514663706;ben_vulpes;divorce these concerns, run a bitcoin node on bitcoin node hardware, and a webserver elsewhere
1761183;1514663707;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SNOOi/?raw=true << gcc-4.9.4 OFFICIALLY!!1!1! deprecated by gentoo bureaucrats
1761184;1514663877;jawbone2;Ok.   when you say bitcoin node hardware do you mean specialty hardware with ASIC chips?
1761185;1514663903;jawbone2;Or just have the bitcoin node running on it's own machine
1761186;1514663929;ben_vulpes;no dude, asics are for mining
1761187;1514663950;ben_vulpes;but you say that "i have the hardware", so use that hardware. boot a bitcoin node on it and don't worry about port 80.
1761188;1514664009;jawbone2;Got it.   Then I can just use Dynamic DNS to give me a permanent IP address right?
1761189;1514664046;ben_vulpes;shouldn't need a permanent IP to run a node. it's a good thing, and a requirement for running a srsbsns anything, but you can drop connections and reconnect to the bitcoin network regularly without much hassle.
1761190;1514664092;ben_vulpes;afaik you don't even need to be able to do incoming connections, although you are a leech upon the network if you don't.
1761191;1514664099;trinque;I don't find that my home ISP changes IP more than every few months, at least.
1761192;1514664155;jawbone2;I see.   The instructions I have assume a static IP address.    I can do incoming connections just not on port 80.
1761193;1514664233;ben_vulpes;jawbone2: are you talking about the myip flag?
1761194;1514664275;ben_vulpes;nothing in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html mentions static IPs, so let's clear this up
1761195;1514664351;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if yer ip moves, yer node becomes unconnectable-to ( and will merrily carry on broadcasting old ip to others as a seed)
1761196;1514664389;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: and a node that cannot be externally connected to is an eater, not a plower
1761197;1514664396;jawbone2;I see so when I start the bitcoin demon I put in my current IP.   Then if it changes I'll need to update it?
1761198;1514664429;jawbone2;Yes I'm talking about the myip flag
1761199;1514664483;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yes, i made that latter point.
1761200;1514664527;ben_vulpes;jawbone2: yes, if you are so unlucky as to only have access to a dynamic ip, you must reboot your node with a new ip in myip lest ye 'eat' and now 'plough'
1761201;1514664549;ben_vulpes;would be neat to patch trb to have this dynamically settable, and nothard either, see settxfee
1761202;1514664557;ben_vulpes;idem versionstring as asciilifeform mentioned
1761203;1514664573;jawbone2;If I used Dynamic DNS to get a static IP would that get around this problem?
1761204;1514664593;ben_vulpes;perhaps, i do not know what promises they make.
1761205;1514664616;ben_vulpes;but 'try it and see'!
1761206;1514664667;ben_vulpes;a useful patch for folks in jawbone2 's position would update the results of getinfo to indicate whether trb considered a connection 'inbound' or 'outbound' so that you could determine if your dyndns hacks were working
1761207;1514664696;jawbone2;Indeed I shall.   Thank you.    Quick question do I now have a rating so I can voice myself in the future or is the rating only temporary.
1761208;1514664709;ben_vulpes;alternatively, jawbone2, rent some virtualized hardware and -connect your homenode to it
1761209;1514664735;ben_vulpes;jawbone2: i don't purge ratings on much more than a once-every-other-quarter basis, so you've got some time
1761210;1514664747;ben_vulpes;no promises, of course
1761211;1514664762;jawbone2;Understood.   Thank you for your help.
1761212;1514664782;ben_vulpes;stop by and update us with node sync process regularly and you'll be ahead of 90% of the pack, sadly
1761213;1514664809;jawbone2;Got it.
1761214;1514664826;ben_vulpes;btw, who are you? do you keep a blog anywhere?
1761215;1514664875;jawbone2;My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida.   I do not keep a blog yet.   That is coming with my webserver project
1761216;1514664934;ben_vulpes;nice to meetcha, jim
1761217;1514665064;jawbone2;Indeed you too, Ben.   I've been reading Trilema the blog for a long while and lurking here for a little while.   This is an undiscovered country.
1761218;1514665176;ben_vulpes;surprisingly well know, just not really discussed in 'mainstream'/pantsuit media due to the dump truck loads of fear it inspires
1761219;1514665291;jawbone2;Indeed
1761220;1514669885;esthlos;jawbone2: my 2cents: get a linode with a static ip for $5/mo. for a dynamic dns, run a cron sending your local ip to the linode, and a cron to edit your dns record accordingly on the remote. for the web server, either preroute remote's 80 to some local port, or just run it on non-80
1761221;1514670676;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 5: Egyptological Multiplication and Division.
1761222;1514670678;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761181 << there's no good answer to this question ; tmsr isp still in the making. try something and report back basically.
1761223;1514670678;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 19:53 jawbone2: I would like to run the bitcoin node and a small webserver.   My ISP would require a much more expensive business account to open port 80.   A VPN with a static IP on the other end would allow me to get around this limitation.
1761224;1514670696;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf plox to snarf ch5
1761225;1514670696;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1761226;1514670729;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761182 << eh, if he's looking for a "vpn" rather than renting a box, there's no divorcing on the table. gotta buy a box before you can buy two boxes.
1761227;1514670729;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 19:55 ben_vulpes: divorce these concerns, run a bitcoin node on bitcoin node hardware, and a webserver elsewhere
1761228;1514670751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol, poems included in the price now ?
1761229;1514670756;asciilifeform;aha!11
1761230;1514671070;mircea_popescu;!!up pehbot
1761231;1514671071;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1761232;1514671074;mircea_popescu;!A .FA55F3F5459A9E799FD0913737C3FCBE74C01A9C3CE54F80083E16F27091F65F.0\#
1761233;1514671074;pehbot;mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1761234;1514671075;asciilifeform;grrr
1761235;1514671079;asciilifeform;not updated yet!!
1761236;1514671081;mircea_popescu;aok.
1761237;1514671171;mircea_popescu;what is in principle acceptable as a proof that division works ?
1761238;1514671173;asciilifeform;!A .2.2*##
1761239;1514671173;pehbot;asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004
1761240;1514671185;mircea_popescu;ideally short of a list of all 256 bit operations.
1761241;1514671194;asciilifeform;!A .A.3\##
1761242;1514671194;pehbot;asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
1761243;1514671211;asciilifeform;!A .A.3\#[,]#
1761244;1514671211;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
1761245;1514671217;asciilifeform;^easier on the eyes
1761246;1514671258;asciilifeform;!A .FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF*##
1761247;1514671259;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1761248;1514671310;asciilifeform;^ observe that this is a correct 512bit product
1761249;1514671348;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1761250;1514671356;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re proof -- you go from the definition of division, where it finds integers x*y + r , etc
1761251;1514671388;mircea_popescu;!A .FEDCBA0.FEDCBA0*#[-]#
1761252;1514671388;pehbot;mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000-00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FDBABF68372400
1761253;1514671415;asciilifeform;recall that * produces ~2~ nums.
1761254;1514671420;mircea_popescu;yes.
1761255;1514671468;mircea_popescu;.F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0.0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F*#[-]#
1761256;1514671473;mircea_popescu;!A .F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0.0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F*#[-]#
1761257;1514671473;pehbot;mircea_popescu: 0E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3-B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E10
1761258;1514671515;mircea_popescu;^ prng.
1761259;1514671518;asciilifeform;lol
1761260;1514671527;mircea_popescu;!!!!1
1761261;1514671560;asciilifeform;Сом Считает без ошибки!!1111
1761262;1514671583;mircea_popescu;!~translate ukr to fr Сом Считает без ошибки
1761263;1514671584;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: No translations found.
1761264;1514671608;mircea_popescu;apparently google did not recognize ukrainian.
1761265;1514671625;asciilifeform;!~translate ru to ro Сом Считает без ошибки
1761266;1514671627;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Somul contează fără eroare
1761267;1514671635;asciilifeform;ohah notbad
1761268;1514671660;mircea_popescu;lol
1761269;1514671674;mircea_popescu;it's somn in romanian, ftr.
1761270;1514671680;asciilifeform;hmm
1761271;1514671682;mircea_popescu;provided som in orig is catfish rather than pike ?
1761272;1514671685;asciilifeform;is
1761273;1514671694;asciilifeform;lol yet another boobytrap
1761274;1514671695;mircea_popescu;yeah. somnul numara fara gresala.
1761275;1514671756;asciilifeform;the latter a not wholly false cognate -- we have погрешность , i.e. instrument error , and from the slavonic root грех , i.e. sin
1761276;1514671795;mircea_popescu;"conteaza" is the bigger caltrop there, yes it's cognate with english "to count" but it strictle means "to matter, to be important", never the actual arithmetical procedure
1761277;1514671811;asciilifeform;aaa as in 'them peons dun count for half a shit'
1761278;1514671819;mircea_popescu;ayep
1761279;1514671837;*;asciilifeform pictures montypython's sacramental 'the french are revolting'
1761280;1514671839;mircea_popescu;and yes, gresala used deliberately because ro convention is to use slavonic roots for slavonic originals.
1761281;1514671851;mircea_popescu;so heure would be put as ora but ceas as ... ceas.
1761282;1514671869;*;asciilifeform did notice this.
1761283;1514671881;mircea_popescu;otherwise "eroare" quite available.
1761284;1514671952;asciilifeform;to round off thread -- asciilifeform very much enjoying rewriting ( and it is , yes , a total rewrite ) ffa
1761285;1514671961;mircea_popescu;it shows.
1761286;1514671976;mircea_popescu;some rewrites are better than others, turns out.
1761287;1514671983;asciilifeform;re-walked the literature , also.
1761288;1514671988;*;mircea_popescu also generally enjoys refucking slavegirl, even if fucked well the first time.
1761289;1514672086;asciilifeform;in other noose from asciilifeform's chamber of horrors : zoolag continues to astonish -- at tip of the spear continuously since reaching sync
1761290;1514672118;mircea_popescu;# MichaŠGórny , Andreas K. Hüttel , << well it's good to know all the effort was worthwile, orcs get their name spelled correctly.
1761291;1514672125;asciilifeform;lol!!
1761292;1514672131;mircea_popescu;micharmstrong gapowerofthreerny
1761293;1514672149;asciilifeform;бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?
1761294;1514672163;mircea_popescu;i dunno, not an expert in orcology.
1761295;1514672190;asciilifeform;btw бНОПНЯ has the same magical power as îțâșă
1761296;1514672214;mircea_popescu;to me it always read as equiv of ro znopi
1761297;1514672214;asciilifeform;i.e. it readily and without explanation invokes image of a shambles
1761298;1514672223;mircea_popescu;deceased word, only survives in expression "to beat to shit"
1761299;1514672241;mircea_popescu;!~translate ro to ru l-am znopit in bataie
1761300;1514672242;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Я избил его в избиении
1761301;1514672245;asciilifeform;lol!!
1761302;1514672256;asciilifeform;mebbe like engl 'thrash' ?
1761303;1514672267;asciilifeform;( which i suspect was corrupted 'thresh' )
1761304;1514672283;mircea_popescu;nah, i expect it's actually alt-spelling of snop (hay ballot)
1761305;1514672284;asciilifeform;how many current-day englischers know what threshing was.
1761306;1514672297;asciilifeform;well yes we have сноп
1761307;1514672303;mircea_popescu;right.
1761308;1514672329;mircea_popescu;i suppose thrashed very good equivalence by mechanism.
1761309;1514672404;asciilifeform;aha, the сноп ref immediately led me to it
1761310;1514672433;asciilifeform;does ro have 'рубить в капусту' ?
1761311;1514672448;asciilifeform;( 'to chop [somebody] 'into cabbage' ')
1761312;1514672465;mircea_popescu;!~translate ro to en fideluta
1761313;1514672466;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: chopped
1761314;1514672475;mircea_popescu;notrly. asciilifeform "thin pasta"
1761315;1514672482;asciilifeform;lol! worx
1761316;1514672501;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER, "to make a cabbage out of things" very much still in use
1761317;1514672507;mircea_popescu;heck, i think i recently did myself
1761318;1514672519;asciilifeform;this i saw yea
1761319;1514672529;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1760025 << there. superlative of the notion.
1761320;1514672529;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 23:55 mircea_popescu: now let's not make cluj cabbage of everything else too!
1761321;1514672540;asciilifeform;why cluj tho
1761322;1514672542;hanbot;a se taie cineva intr-o varza?
1761323;1514672554;mircea_popescu;hanbot that exists ?
1761324;1514672563;asciilifeform;now exists!111
1761325;1514672567;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform romanian has utterly absurd fixed superlatives for most idiomatics.
1761326;1514672567;hanbot;^
1761327;1514672582;mircea_popescu;hanbot care go give some examples ?
1761328;1514672586;hanbot;yeah, not sanctioned afaik.
1761329;1514672660;mircea_popescu;for instance : to be utterly clueless, entirely unprepared, ineffectual and worthless -- such as for an exam of some kind, "a fi tufa", ie, "being a bush".
1761330;1514672672;mircea_popescu;the superlative of this, however, "tufa de venetia", ie, Venice bush.
1761331;1514672685;mircea_popescu;why ? the texts do not record why. but ~everyone knows.
1761332;1514672764;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu will appreciate the phunphakt that asciilifeform originally sat down to make an animatedgif of the egyptological algos' mechanics. but eventually gave up and Wrote Wordz
1761333;1514672794;mircea_popescu;being large, self centered and insensate, like a really annoying fat older woman ? vaca. (cow). but as a superlative, "vaca cu cabina", ie, cow with a booth.
1761334;1514672813;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, i was chuckling over this yest.
1761335;1514672828;asciilifeform;hm?
1761336;1514672834;mircea_popescu;the svg thing
1761337;1514672836;asciilifeform;aa
1761338;1514672858;asciilifeform;not hard to guess, eh. what else would asciilifeform be doing with svgism.
1761339;1514672860;mod6;<+trinque> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SNOOi/?raw=true << gcc-4.9.4 OFFICIALLY!!1!1! deprecated by gentoo bureaucrats << wtf. srsly now.
1761340;1514672861;mircea_popescu;tho did not say anything because not particularily fair, victory delivered by the idiocy of tool.
1761341;1514672879;asciilifeform;i even pulled ye olde postscript red an' blue b00kz off the shelf, in the end
1761342;1514672884;asciilifeform;but eventually 'fuckit'
1761343;1514672896;asciilifeform;who wants -- can go and make it.
1761344;1514672899;mircea_popescu;this is a problem that will recur
1761345;1514672910;asciilifeform;indeed
1761346;1514672914;trinque;mod6: that's just to train the hole for future jamming-in of clang
1761347;1514672929;mircea_popescu;honestly i am inspired by zineKing chan example, i suspect the better solution may actually be 1980s style ascii art.
1761348;1514672940;mircea_popescu;not SO hard to use the god damned ascii pipes simple and double to make schematics.
1761349;1514672946;asciilifeform;trinque: sorta-usable-off-the-shelf gentoo on the classical www , is living its final days.
1761350;1514672962;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: turns out, quite painful for anything nontrivial
1761351;1514672970;asciilifeform;fortunately there is nothing nontrivial in ffa.
1761352;1514672972;*;trinque has his frozen copy of it all, polishes for just this funeral.
1761353;1514672976;mircea_popescu;gimme an example ?
1761354;1514672997;mircea_popescu;trinque basically the empire of idiots is dead set on giving us free money. all hail.
1761355;1514673002;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anything with nonrightangles in it
1761356;1514673016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just make the image larger
1761357;1514673018;mircea_popescu;I WIN!!11
1761358;1514673021;asciilifeform;lol
1761359;1514673031;asciilifeform;pnm ain't ascii tho.
1761360;1514673042;asciilifeform;no moar than uuencoded crapola
1761361;1514673059;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1761362;1514673081;mircea_popescu;i dunno, but at some point republican drawing will have to get resolved.
1761363;1514673090;mircea_popescu;granted, not here yet, i guess. but anyways
1761364;1514673103;asciilifeform;i expect the pill will look like hendersonized postscript, rather than svg idiocy.
1761365;1514673129;asciilifeform;( ftr i did try cl-vecto, and barfed. why do i have to touch absolute coord ?! )
1761366;1514673140;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761187 << his problem isn't what he states it to be ; he can't have open ports period, probably comcast bs.
1761367;1514673140;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 19:59 ben_vulpes: but you say that "i have the hardware", so use that hardware. boot a bitcoin node on it and don't worry about port 80.
1761368;1514673156;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761322 <- varza esti, nu te faci; that's about the only reason I suspect this just doesn't ...work; can't beat /cut someone into cabbage; they can however be cabbage themselves
1761369;1514673156;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 22:22 hanbot: a se taie cineva intr-o varza?
1761370;1514673158;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually i ran warez servers just fine on shitcast
1761371;1514673170;asciilifeform;it's the gsm carriers who have , as a rule, port fascism
1761372;1514673174;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, some ascii art in eulora? lol
1761373;1514673181;mircea_popescu;i dunno, but since he mentions it, he prolly has it.
1761374;1514673192;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i wouldn't mind an ascii-art renderer, like vlc has.
1761375;1514673210;diana_coman;fideluta though can also be ...varza taiata fideluta aka very very thinly
1761376;1514673231;mircea_popescu;that's true.
1761377;1514673248;diana_coman;well, there's nothing to mind for sure
1761378;1514673283;mircea_popescu;lemme rephrase. ima have this done eventually, just not a priority rightnao.
1761379;1514673286;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761154 << holy fuq, zzt !!
1761380;1514673286;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 17:46 mircea_popescu: ok this is the weirdest chan i ever saw. check this out http://jollo.org/sally/
1761381;1514673289;asciilifeform;!#s zzt
1761382;1514673290;a111;2 results for "zzt", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=zzt
1761383;1514673300;mircea_popescu;let's voice him again
1761384;1514673301;*;diana_coman just had this trouble of explaining to 5 yo what's that "floare la ureche"
1761385;1514673301;mircea_popescu;!!up zineKing
1761386;1514673302;deedbot;zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
1761387;1514673307;mircea_popescu;yo, register a key so you can self-voice.
1761388;1514673311;mod6;what do we need to do to get started with cuntoo.  we ought to make a list.
1761389;1514673330;asciilifeform;mod6: the server on my desk, to find its way in the cage, is # 1
1761390;1514673336;mircea_popescu;mod6 it has to compile and bootstrap ; and support video cards and netcards. that'd be about it.
1761391;1514673347;asciilifeform;no tarball hoster -- no cuntoo
1761392;1514673357;mircea_popescu;but from what i gather a half dozen people have pills for it in various states of undress.
1761393;1514673374;hanbot;lol diana_coman why not varza nu se naste, varza se devine
1761394;1514673376;asciilifeform;asciilifeform for example has >decade of tarball archive
1761395;1514673396;diana_coman;hanbot, also!
1761396;1514673399;mircea_popescu;at some point we (i mean s.mg) attempted to build a debian archive.
1761397;1514673408;asciilifeform;i recall this
1761398;1514673411;asciilifeform;what became of it ?
1761399;1514673411;mircea_popescu;iirc that died in the flames of 1e10 bytes of liquid shit
1761400;1514673417;trinque;mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757759 << literally all I need to release the thing
1761401;1514673417;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 02:53 trinque: tangentially yet again, I'd really like a vtron to put in this here cuntoo.
1761402;1514673419;mod6;so your box in the cage will host all the tarballs... (we'll need mirrors too) or am I misunderstanding?
1761403;1514673420;mircea_popescu;literally, irrecoverably, liquid.
1761404;1514673427;asciilifeform;i only keep src tarballs
1761405;1514673437;diana_coman;pretty much dead, yes; whatever we took out at that time is still there though
1761406;1514673443;trinque;fine thing to duplicate this particular work, but that's what I'm waiting on, will otherwise write my own to put on it.
1761407;1514673446;mircea_popescu;i think the last debian capable of booting without any binary was like, sarge.
1761408;1514673464;asciilifeform;whaddayamean 'boot without binary'
1761409;1514673472;trinque;the mere act of producing a booting gentoo is trivial; what we need is a genesis of a ports tree merged between the musl overlay and a particular vintage of portage.
1761410;1514673513;asciilifeform;trinque: i still haven't attempted musltronic gentoo. ( and have nfi whether it could be used on a workstation, say -- does emacs run ? what dies ? )
1761411;1514673526;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're familiar with the dependency problem, yes ? the statement here is that dependency problem for debian is SO BAD you can't actually produce a meaningful packaging of useful debian within finite space.
1761412;1514673527;trinque;emacs runs fine
1761413;1514673536;asciilifeform;trinque: then it's a go...
1761414;1514673537;trinque;nobody runs my recipes when I post, eh?
1761415;1514673551;mod6;i still use our old one :]
1761416;1514673551;asciilifeform;trinque: i read'em. but only 2 hands, not run yet.
1761417;1514673572;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is unsurprising
1761418;1514673574;trinque;this ruins my picture of you with four arms and two keyboards
1761419;1514673581;asciilifeform;binaryturd dists always were a fraud in that sense
1761420;1514673584;mircea_popescu;he's got a joysdick tho
1761421;1514673598;asciilifeform;trinque: i did not say how many total arms!111onlyhowmany free
1761422;1514673603;trinque;loller
1761423;1514673620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not even that they're binary dists. they CLAIM to be proper dists. but then "all compiles except THIS ONE THING" ; or "x requires y and y requires x -- pick one put binary in" ; or so following.
1761424;1514673636;trinque;mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff.
1761425;1514673647;trinque;can't repo portage without it
1761426;1514673664;mircea_popescu;is the idea to actually use the whole portage mechanism on the eventual cun2 ?
1761427;1514673676;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: some packages are known and inescapable arse-mouth-systems in this sense - e.g. gnat, as discussed on several occasions
1761428;1514673682;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761390 if this is the case, why not go LFS?
1761429;1514673682;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 22:35 mircea_popescu: mod6 it has to compile and bootstrap ; and support video cards and netcards. that'd be about it.
1761430;1514673688;asciilifeform;can't build a gnat without a... gnat. period
1761431;1514673690;mircea_popescu;because i will confess phf 's tales of bravery encourage me, to think perhaps protage could be cut from 5bn lines to 5k or somesuch ?
1761432;1514673702;trinque;I'm certain it could.
1761433;1514673703;asciilifeform;portage << gotta depythonize it
1761434;1514673707;mircea_popescu;see ?
1761435;1514673712;trinque;I'm speaking of the ebuild tree
1761436;1514673715;asciilifeform;being as python is , what, 1M loc ?
1761437;1514673720;mircea_popescu;i suppose once phf delivers new v, we shall be looking for a hero to reportage.
1761438;1514673731;asciilifeform;imho it needs the ada schemetron.
1761439;1514673734;asciilifeform;as substrate.
1761440;1514673739;asciilifeform;because sh is not a language.
1761441;1514673746;mircea_popescu;trinque yes but see, the change of diff to tmsr diff is liable to bring improvbements to semantic ; same may be true of etree.
1761442;1514673747;trinque;heh, this is why I say release with portage cuntoo "overlay"
1761443;1514673751;trinque;can dev the replacements from inside
1761444;1514673762;mod6;<+trinque> mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff. << excellent. yeah, let's!
1761445;1514673763;trinque;then jettison the old tree
1761446;1514673771;mircea_popescu;conceivable.
1761447;1514673780;mircea_popescu;anyway, this will need more thought by which i mean more failed attempts.
1761448;1514673788;mircea_popescu;i guess it's a decent spring item.
1761449;1514673803;*;trinque was prompted to finish the reproductive gentoo when he went to build a box like always, found the shitgnomes had eroded earth from under his build system
1761450;1514673815;mircea_popescu;esthlos lfs ? wut ?
1761451;1514673841;esthlos;http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
1761452;1514673846;mircea_popescu;oh.
1761453;1514673856;mircea_popescu;resolved ot "large storage" in my head.
1761454;1514673858;trinque;that's not a thing so much as a "yes you could be a human build system"
1761455;1514673873;trinque;sure we've all done LFS in teens or w/e
1761456;1514673891;mircea_popescu;esthlos in a word, because none of the gerard beekmans matthre burgess bruce dubbs etc are known to us / have a !!key and so on
1761457;1514673917;mircea_popescu;it makes sense to re-do imperial crud under the republic ; it makes comparatively little sense to try and pick among the anonymous imperials for "the good one".
1761458;1514674065;esthlos;so some of the gentoo devs are around?
1761459;1514674079;mircea_popescu;nope, which is why the item is called cuntoo.
1761460;1514674083;esthlos;ah
1761461;1514674118;mircea_popescu;the logic is actually very strict : only key can sign, therefore only key can genesis, and see all the discussions around mpi re exactly what code production is deemed etc.
1761462;1514674146;mircea_popescu;but in shorthand practical terms, if they don't have a genesis we can patch upon, they don't exist.
1761463;1514674168;esthlos;oh, i see
1761464;1514674224;asciilifeform;a number of items in gentoo ports ~did~ have pgp sigs. but none of anybody in my l2 (or 3, or afaik even 4 )
1761465;1514674247;mircea_popescu;"very strict" : if i can't lean on them to make a proper genesis, also just as good as not existing
1761466;1514674253;mircea_popescu;and so following, the blade cuts.
1761467;1514674254;trinque;and they use things like "release signing key" because persons don't exist
1761468;1514674285;mircea_popescu;the bizarre sort of "humility" the empire keeps pushing.
1761469;1514674345;esthlos;i want to say v is genius, but it seems like common fucking sense. columbus' egg i suppose
1761470;1514674357;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761206 << yeah, not bad.
1761471;1514674357;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 20:11 ben_vulpes: a useful patch for folks in jawbone2 's position would update the results of getinfo to indicate whether trb considered a connection 'inbound' or 'outbound' so that you could determine if your dyndns hacks were working
1761472;1514674361;mircea_popescu;esthlos most genius is common sense.
1761473;1514674378;mircea_popescu;heigh ho the holly...
1761474;1514674385;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759556 <<
1761475;1514674385;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:20 mircea_popescu: nah. cleverness in humans is simply equivalent of what drunks call "a moment of lucidity", ie, stopped being indescribably fucking stupid for one god damned moment.
1761476;1514674408;trinque;mod6: got an apu2?
1761477;1514674492;mod6;no
1761478;1514674554;trinque;doesn't matter; we'll need a set of known-good kernel configs anyway
1761479;1514674567;trinque;I provided one for the apu2 in the archive I'm uploading to blogbox atm
1761480;1514674569;asciilifeform;i posted one for phf last yr
1761481;1514674571;asciilifeform;for x60
1761482;1514674581;mod6;ah, ok. cool!
1761483;1514674592;asciilifeform;trinque: apu really oughta be run with an in-rom kernel
1761484;1514674607;trinque;wip cuntoo script only does apu2, but if you read it, it'd be trivial to parameterize the kernel config
1761485;1514674608;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761215 << no, i think this may well be permanent, i think i purge mine bianually or some shit.
1761486;1514674608;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 20:14 jawbone2: My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida.   I do not keep a blog yet.   That is coming with my webserver project
1761487;1514674615;mircea_popescu;!!rate jawbone2 1 convincing noob
1761488;1514674617;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8HM5u/?raw=true
1761489;1514674636;mircea_popescu;twice a decade, by the looks of it.
1761490;1514674676;trinque;asciilifeform: worth a thread maybe, but I loathe the one-kernel-for-them all approach; I don't even ship my kernels with module loading enabled
1761491;1514674689;asciilifeform;aha, it is intimately per-machine item
1761492;1514674691;*;mircea_popescu is looking forward to mod6 putting some of these into hardware, because while he's very cute as he gets all flustered from repeated failure, the whole process is nevertheless immensely useful & productive.
1761493;1514674714;mircea_popescu;trinque the VERY FUCKING NOTION of "modules" is basically abandonment of kernel.
1761494;1514674739;mod6;lol ok.
1761495;1514674740;mircea_popescu;it's shocking how philosophically undedicated them folks are, 0 adherence to any kind of principle or anything whatsoever.
1761496;1514674777;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they were forced mistake, via x86ism . without something like modules, you get to pick b/w a) kernel that runs on ONE box, and that's until you change a card b) a 500MB liquishit pot
1761497;1514674787;mircea_popescu;still.
1761498;1514674814;mircea_popescu;mod6 you realise this, your original v actually worked out in practice as major pivot improving v significantly from notion to item.
1761499;1514674816;asciilifeform;'kernel is this ONE item, and fuckyou' worx when you get to standardize the iron. and not otherwise.
1761500;1514674846;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd have preferred much more exposed parameters/configs than "modules", for instance.
1761501;1514674852;asciilifeform;( and even crapple iirc is stuck maintaining several versions of theirs, because different editions of iron )
1761502;1514674865;mircea_popescu;a "module" is a braindamaged half-way implementation of a compiled configfile.
1761503;1514674866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that'd be (b)500MB of shit
1761504;1514674882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i prefer my formulation, but yes, i'd have taken b.
1761505;1514674895;asciilifeform;because driver under idjit x86 iron is a massive ball of ???, none of which typically generalizes to ANY other item
1761506;1514674906;mircea_popescu;but at least THAT would have been exposed.
1761507;1514674916;mircea_popescu;there's no benefit in playing well with idiots.
1761508;1514674927;*;trinque recalls the sad thread where it was explained to him how the thing's a pile of recursive busses keistered in keisters
1761509;1514674929;asciilifeform;for so long as buying their iron -- playing with them.
1761510;1514674957;mircea_popescu;trinque 12 deep! in places
1761511;1514674998;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631805 < mod6 you realise this, your original v actually worked out in practice as major pivot improving v significantly from notion to item. << thanks.  it's been great to see it come to life. it's a work in progress :]
1761515;1514675081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we did, possibly in the dma thread
1761516;1514675101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'multiple buses on other buses' bigger-fleas-and-little-fleas horror show is no kind of cure tho.
1761517;1514675111;mircea_popescu;yeah. you were all "well, sorry it's broken" last month or w/e, but realise -- back when it was written it was ahead of the v as a concept. that it meanwhile become broken is merely because the tide raised ; but the tide raised because, in no small part, it existed.
1761518;1514675173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, have dedicated fucking lines. all this "oh, we have nfi what will hang off this cpu" pretense is 1980s idiocy. WE FUCKING KNOW. have dedicated netbridge ; have or not have dedicated video bridge -- YOU KNOW if you're putting or not puting a fucking vidcard in there but you don't know whether you need a bus for it or not ? gimme a fucken break!
1761519;1514675191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sgi had a crossbar, it aint an unheard-of thing
1761520;1514675194;mircea_popescu;1. netbridge or no netbridge ; 2. vidbridge or no vidbrige ; 3. serial.
1761521;1514675234;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, "oh we don't know what people may plug into the bus", like it's 1979 and i go around the killer micros with syringe needles.
1761522;1514675254;asciilifeform;actually the correct solution is fabric
1761523;1514675259;mircea_popescu;fine.
1761524;1514675269;asciilifeform;i.e. cpu only knows how to speak to other cpus. and other iron is special case of 'other cpu'
1761525;1514675271;mircea_popescu;whatever the fuck but this pointlessly self-crit of a spurious bottleneck.
1761526;1514675302;mircea_popescu;"we didn't know how you wanted your house laid out so we put this sqm in the middle that has to be traversed FOR EVERYTHING! hope you enjoy all the copping a titfeel in your own god damned house"
1761527;1514675324;asciilifeform;bus is a poverty artifact. and i will add that , most hilariously, recent items like pcie are actually implemented as ports, physically! but on the idjit x86 end EMULATE behaviour of bus !!
1761528;1514675330;asciilifeform;because x86olade expects.
1761529;1514675334;mircea_popescu;but we haven't been poor for thirty five years!
1761530;1514675347;asciilifeform;somebody wake up and tell wintel.
1761531;1514675356;mircea_popescu;fucking bullshit of the prime order.
1761532;1514675599;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761220 << i think ~everyone in a "wanna run a node mostly to learn" demo is doing either that, amazon or else more obscure similaria (ohv, whatever)
1761533;1514675599;a111;Logged on 2017-12-30 21:38 esthlos: jawbone2: my 2cents: get a linode with a static ip for $5/mo. for a dynamic dns, run a cron sending your local ip to the linode, and a cron to edit your dns record accordingly on the remote. for the web server, either preroute remote's 80 to some local port, or just run it on non-80
1761534;1514676690;deedbot;http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/ << trinque - WIP : Cuntoo Installer
1761535;1514676703;*;mod6 looks
1761536;1514676965;shinohai;This is impressice trinque, will test and report back o7
1761537;1514677643;mod6;Thanks trinque!
1761538;1514677673;mod6;I'll try to find a spot to try this thing out in the next day or two.. maybe you can walk me through some of the stuff.
1761539;1514677693;*;mod6 is looking at the musl overlay
1761540;1514677879;trinque;gladly. I prefer to produce a genesis *after* the thing's been wrung through other than my own requirements.
1761541;1514677903;mod6;oh for sure.
1761542;1514677946;mircea_popescu;!!up zineKing
1761543;1514677947;deedbot;zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
1761544;1514678279;zineKing;mircea_popescu i registered a key, still not voiced
1761545;1514678301;mircea_popescu;!!rate zineKing 1 zine something
1761546;1514678303;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iaWIa/?raw=true
1761547;1514678352;mircea_popescu;zineKing after the rating goes through in ten minutes or w/e, you will be able to voice yourself ; see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756668
1761548;1514678352;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 06:54 mircea_popescu: Techman say /query deedbot to open a pm session ; say !!up in there to it ; then return !!v the string.
1761549;1514678497;zineKing;mircea_popescu: so, real talk, do you actually believe bitcoin specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees
1761550;1514678516;zineKing;which crypto do you think will be the defacto, go-to coin for world wide affairs?
1761551;1514678520;zineKing;xmr? eth?
1761552;1514678541;zineKing;the petrodollar is dying
1761553;1514678559;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "will be" ?
1761554;1514678583;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is inescapably and permanently the definitive word on linguistic order, which includes all monetary considerations as a minor point.
1761555;1514678588;mircea_popescu;it also includes all politics.
1761556;1514678595;zineKing;I am assuming, correctly or not, that at least one crypto will take the place as a world currency sooner or later, wrong or not
1761557;1514678648;zineKing;okay, let me rephrase my question
1761558;1514678671;zineKing;so, real talk, do you actually believe xbt specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees
1761559;1514678680;mircea_popescu;what is xbt ?
1761560;1514678715;mircea_popescu;ah, re plebs problems something like http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 may interest you
1761561;1514678718;mircea_popescu;(note the date).
1761562;1514679059;zineKing;interesting
1761563;1514679252;mircea_popescu;if you keep reading you will discover trilema is principally a repository of answers to questions the random idiots of "mainstream" pretend to have discovered years later and "resolve" in their usual manner.
1761564;1514679301;zineKing;So, you're cryptohipsters?
1761565;1514679307;mircea_popescu;um.
1761566;1514679335;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736549
1761567;1514679335;a111;Logged on 2017-11-12 16:48 mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future.
1761568;1514679371;mod6;lol cryptohipsters
1761569;1514679388;zineKing;I bought in at 2011, I still see xbt specifically as a currenct that is just not feasible to be rolled out globally, due to the excruciatingly slow speed and the high fees.
1761570;1514679395;zineKing;currency*
1761571;1514679450;mircea_popescu;well what you see things as is entirely your priviledge no ?
1761572;1514679461;mircea_popescu;you can see microscope as hammer, as long as you own it.
1761573;1514679513;mircea_popescu;there's that guy that saw ipad as cutting board, his fucking ipad, can do as he please.
1761574;1514679573;zineKing;don't get me wrong, I'm totally onboard with the plan. But in order for a crypto to be accepted by the masses it has to be a better alternative, more efficient, than what people currently use. to me, the closest thing right now is probably ETH
1761575;1514679625;mircea_popescu;what the masses "accept" has entirely no bearing.
1761576;1514679640;mircea_popescu;in order for a round earth spinning around the sun to be "accepted by the masses" exactly nothing has to happen.
1761577;1514679664;zineKing;Except it does, because you're talking about markets -- social constructs, made by humans
1761578;1514679669;mircea_popescu;the point is bitcoin permits me to rape eth, and turn mit into a sort of ransom faucet. this doesn't go away by speaking.
1761579;1514679677;mircea_popescu;i am not talking about any such thing.
1761580;1514679834;mircea_popescu;lessee how this works.
1761581;1514681006;mod6;anyone ever see that movie 'pi' ?
1761582;1514681089;mircea_popescu;aha.
1761583;1514681091;mircea_popescu;!!up zineKing
1761584;1514681092;deedbot;zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
1761585;1514681094;mircea_popescu;what happened ?
1761586;1514681354;hanbot;mod6 that was my favorite film when i was 16 or so. i tried to watch it again recently with mixed results. still love the soundtrack though.
1761587;1514681390;mod6;i haven't seen it in ages.  i feel like i should watch it again.
1761588;1514682009;shinohai;the banana thing i disliked
1761589;1514682098;zineKing;mircea_popescu: you've intrigued me, I'll stick around for sure
1761590;1514682118;mircea_popescu;soo apparently trilema includes review of requiem for a dfream, the wrestler and black swan, but NOT pi
1761591;1514682130;mircea_popescu;it's the d aronofsky item from 1998 we're talking about yes ?
1761592;1514682144;mod6;ya
1761593;1514682144;mircea_popescu;zineKing cool ; but voice yourself
1761594;1514682152;zineKing;just did
1761595;1514682157;mircea_popescu;a hey wd.
1761596;1514682164;zineKing;deedbot> You are now voiced in #trilema
1761597;1514682172;mircea_popescu;aha. now, what's this ezine thing ?
1761598;1514682412;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/interracial/index.html << in other lulz, apparently the average chanster had sex twice.
1761599;1514683767;mircea_popescu;incidentally mod6 if you liked pi you might also like http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/
1761600;1514683823;mircea_popescu;pretty much the same exact film, so much so i always suspected pi is a remake. hero is struggling with memory rather than insanity but otherwisw ~same sexuality, ~same magical jew, same quest for the ultimate meaning and so following.
1761601;1514684009;mod6;ah, ok. thanks, will watch.
1761602;1514684177;mod6;i just watched the 'pi' trailor.  it indeed has been a while haha.  ive got pi in the queue.  might re-watch tonight yet.
1761603;1514685305;mod6;ok here we go
1761604;1514687231;*;asciilifeform liked 'pi'
1761605;1514690424;mod6;alright, yeah, definiately different than i remembered it.  i had completely blocked out or forgotten the jewish numerology part.
1761606;1514690513;mod6;i still liked it tho.  music was pretty good, brings me back. hehe
1761607;1514690568;mod6;the dude's rig was very ~'11 bitcoin miner
1761608;1514694777;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/VDOu9
1761609;1514697292;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah kinda huh.
1761610;1514699369;mircea_popescu;"whereupon, with the pain that I can only compare to that of a forcibly extracted illusion, I discovered that the bearded essayist had done just what schoolchildren do the world over, namely, repeated Hegel's argument paraphrastically, just as if it had been the proof of a Euclidean theorem or the tale of a big bad wolf called Sein."
1761611;1514699382;mircea_popescu;this fucktard has actually no idea what proof actually is.
1761612;1514699406;mircea_popescu;"and while I considered myself no more competent to discuss Hegel's logic than Leibniz's mathematics, I failed to see why discussion of a subject like slavery by the former should be closed to literary intrusion when, in the case of the latter, such an intrusion had produced Candide." and there's the moneyshot.
1761613;1514700180;asciilifeform;wassat
1761614;1514700200;asciilifeform;canhaz sores ?
1761615;1514704244;mircea_popescu;from a link of yours to the urbit guy, quoting some w/e the fuck other dork like him.
1761616;1514704325;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-20#837608
1761617;1514704325;a111;Logged on 2014-09-20 18:07 asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-navrozov-moments.html << linked from above, mr mold's explanation (written presumably before the chumpatron re-swallowed him, this time - for good.)
1761618;1514726649;BingoBoingo;ISP monthly statement will be published tomorrow following yet another rereading of the accounting standards, the lack of Qntra at the close of the year is a great disappointment.
1761619;1514726704;BingoBoingo;In other news: breaking up is easy in a place where all the pretty girls smile at you.
1761620;1514726758;BingoBoingo;Also the hostel staff have taken to recommending me as a tour guide/travel buddy to single brasileras traveling alone
1761621;1514726811;BingoBoingo;And as the year closes out the problem of the chinches de cama appears to have been remedied through my secret campaign of chemical warfare
1761622;1514726911;BingoBoingo;(Turns out ivermectin is not a guarenteed kill, but it usually paralyses them before they make it back to a hiding spot for easy disposal of the pests)
1761623;1514727048;BingoBoingo;And on that note, I have a group to escort to the feria.
1761624;1514727219;BingoBoingo;Oh, one last item of importance. After 3 weeks of eating real food, the smell of my farts started to change.
1761625;1514727228;BingoBoingo;Hasta luego
1761626;1514729179;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in vintage lulz, http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-resource-leak-bug-of-our.html
1761627;1514730439;mircea_popescu;and in other "here's what i stole off trilema", https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSKW3dgX0AAcqcp.jpg
1761628;1514730614;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in imperial narratives, "Parker Lewis Retweeted Vitalik Buterin This about sums it up, @brian_armstrong retweeting @vitalikbuterin about how creating sound money (not controlled by government) is not a meaningful achievement for society, the first thing that finally caused me to tweet"
1761629;1514730620;mircea_popescu;for "society", right ? which fucking society ?
1761630;1514730653;mircea_popescu;the "society" as a usg captive item, that thing ? the ghetto jewry of 2017, about to make pretty ash piles by 2040 ?
1761631;1514730930;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that thing is making me join ircnet!
1761632;1514731009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's pretty old, i have nfi whether d00d still in the saddle
1761633;1514731026;mircea_popescu;one way to find out.
1761634;1514731036;asciilifeform;last item in linked blog , circa '15. but yea
1761635;1514731043;mircea_popescu;ircnet.org first page has nfi it should put server and port somewhere ;/
1761636;1514731078;mircea_popescu;or "Getting started" page
1761637;1514731081;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people!
1761638;1514731096;asciilifeform;'It is an "anarchistic" network without the channel services and nickname services you may find on other networks but this is deliberate since this is how IRC was designed to be used and our users tend to prefer it this way'
1761639;1514731102;mircea_popescu;and their linked webchat (webchat.xs4all.nl) dies
1761640;1514731115;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does one connect.
1761641;1514731192;mircea_popescu;http://irc.tu-ilmenau.de/all_servers/ << finally.
1761642;1514731279;asciilifeform;these expeditions always seem to end with a catv. but asciilifeform looks forward to reading the postmortem.
1761643;1514731283;mircea_popescu;ii2.org is dead... hub.irc.at doesn't answer, vienna.irc.at actually drops connections "unauthorized"...
1761644;1514731296;mircea_popescu;so far they end up with a "holy shit brains are broken"
1761645;1514731344;asciilifeform;bigger minefield, richer village, neh
1761646;1514731349;mircea_popescu;neh.
1761647;1514731396;mircea_popescu;this is what i introduce as "the mmorpg fallacy" to the slavegirls. it's true that in mmorpgs some obscure vilage in the fucking mountains has the BEST fucking weapons + plasma armor and whatnot while the imperial capital somehow makes do with cotton rags and sharpened sticks to kill the rats.
1761648;1514731412;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER, this has no bearing on how things work irl. irl, bigger minefield, dumber villagers.
1761649;1514731429;mircea_popescu;holy shit irc.belwue.de also drops conns as "unauthorized"
1761650;1514731436;asciilifeform;this would depend, i suspect, on what's being kept in/out
1761651;1514731454;mircea_popescu;did anyone mention german folk are fucked in the head for reason of being born there yet ?
1761652;1514731461;asciilifeform;in a time of decay, when what comes in is commissars, minefield is +ev
1761653;1514731468;mircea_popescu;because srsly, it's better being born a nigger in alabama than being born a krautz in germany.
1761654;1514731476;asciilifeform;nao this is so
1761655;1514731533;mircea_popescu;check it fucking out, irc.cs.hut.fi also drops conns. i'm starting to suspect this is the kiwi client rather than the servers. lessee here
1761656;1514731553;asciilifeform;betcha it's ad hoc spamola control, aha
1761657;1514731849;mircea_popescu;ahaha!
1761658;1514731853;mircea_popescu;not so ad-hoc!
1761659;1514731872;asciilifeform;hm?
1761660;1514731895;mircea_popescu;(Closing Link: [unknown@b.clients.kiwiirc.com] (K-lined: BSP - Enable identd for access)) << now look into what that is lmao.
1761661;1514731959;mircea_popescu;(identd ~= drm for irc)
1761662;1514731980;asciilifeform;holyfuq
1761663;1514731986;mircea_popescu;so the guy you linked, yes ?
1761664;1514731996;asciilifeform;ancient idiocies that ~nobody even remembers existed!
1761665;1514732018;mircea_popescu;the guy you linked lives on an irc network that does the EXACT equivalent of "we dug up this OBSCURE, DECADES OLD "you must run this software to play WoW" sorta nonsense.
1761666;1514732021;mircea_popescu;explain this to me.
1761667;1514732030;asciilifeform;minefield.
1761668;1514732055;mircea_popescu;no, see, that was the original theory. but now the "mines" are specifically targetted to thinking people.
1761669;1514732065;mircea_popescu;so it's not a minefield, it's a "must be this short to ride" thing
1761670;1514732083;asciilifeform;takes some sweat to emulate whateverd auth, neh
1761671;1514732094;mircea_popescu;wrong kind of sweat.
1761672;1514732096;asciilifeform;so keeps out low-effort indiancandies
1761673;1514732130;mircea_popescu;mno, it's not the equivalent of "to enter this door, you must solve this puzzle". it's the equivalent of "to enter this door, you must suck this cock". so it allows strictly the indiancandies
1761674;1514732140;mircea_popescu;(who will just shuffle through "apps" on their "phone" until one "works")
1761675;1514732151;asciilifeform;nao asciilifeform wonders if there's an irc net that requires you to, say, collide a sha1, before you can log in
1761676;1514732177;mircea_popescu;https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1413 << idiocy even has a rfc, if anyone still had any shred of respect left for ietf.
1761677;1514732181;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dunthink there is a 1980s identd app for ipnoje.
1761678;1514732199;asciilifeform;for 1 thing, it cannot work behind nat
1761679;1514732217;asciilifeform;which eliminates gsm , (as recently found) comcast, etc
1761680;1514732281;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linked item circa '93
1761681;1514732289;mircea_popescu;yes.
1761682;1514732302;asciilifeform;betcha this keeps out ALL winblows users
1761683;1514732315;asciilifeform;all nat zeks. appleists..
1761684;1514732332;mircea_popescu;i expect it keeps out everyone.
1761685;1514732339;asciilifeform;evidently not quite
1761686;1514732378;mircea_popescu;right, because a guy who wrote something interesting in 2014 (free and unpaid for google's ezine he abandoned a year later) is spreading pearls of wisdom about there.
1761687;1514732394;mircea_popescu;gimme a fucking break, freenode is >100k cucks logged in any one day and there's still 0 content anywhere.
1761688;1514732397;asciilifeform;separate q, whether 'pearls'
1761689;1514732411;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~because~ 100kcucks
1761690;1514732420;mircea_popescu;well, im not going to read the rest of this, he can go fuck himself.
1761691;1514732420;asciilifeform;not 'still'
1761692;1514732456;asciilifeform;pyramid has patience, another archaeologist will come.
1761693;1514732461;mircea_popescu;this is a reminder to future self : plox negrate countercomplex / viznut on sight ty.
1761694;1514732566;asciilifeform;oddlyenuff these negged-in-absentia folx never seem to come to pick up their 'award'
1761695;1514732719;mircea_popescu;it's been like one year since the first.
1761696;1514732733;asciilifeform;hm
1761697;1514732746;asciilifeform;canhaz log link?
1761698;1514732760;mircea_popescu;notrly, just memory-assisted guess.
1761699;1514732779;asciilifeform;but in re ietf lulz : https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernstein-tap-00 << djb!
1761700;1514732806;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the record : nothing in the world fucking easier than socat -u tcp-1:113,fork system:./say_mp.sh
1761701;1514732812;mircea_popescu;but i ain't gonna fucken do it.\
1761702;1514732833;asciilifeform;prolly mircea_popescu is right and pyramid long empty
1761703;1514732852;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's possibly the most ignorant and outright infuriating "security" i could think of
1761704;1514732867;asciilifeform;i can think of moarinfuriating
1761705;1514732869;mircea_popescu;ANY bot can get past this dumb shit, it's entirely constructed out of "and then nobody has their own box"
1761706;1514732878;mircea_popescu;i had my own fuc king box in 1980s motherfuckers!
1761707;1514732881;asciilifeform;any but nat zek
1761708;1514732886;mircea_popescu;pshaw
1761709;1514732905;mircea_popescu;nobody runs a bot on his home fucking computer ffs, why would they
1761710;1514732932;asciilifeform;~errybody has ownbox in '80s, trick question
1761711;1514732945;asciilifeform;kolhoz is recent.
1761712;1514733067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, early authd
1761713;1514733135;mircea_popescu;btw, that's a decent string for his early bb posts, back when he was a dicklet at nyu.
1761714;1514733155;mircea_popescu;https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/21445/snuffle.txt.html << eg.
1761715;1514733227;asciilifeform;lol the '90s 'cryptoexport' muppet theatre
1761716;1514733233;mircea_popescu;aha
1761717;1514733285;*;asciilifeform still not convinced that it wasn't a psyop, to build up street cred for schneiers . 0 convictions, 0 sentences, for 'pgp smugglers' afaik.
1761718;1514733305;asciilifeform;not even the tattooist d00d
1761719;1514733313;mircea_popescu;funny you should mention that, because literally next line, From: Adam Back 
1761720;1514733370;asciilifeform;going by 'by their fruits, know them' heuristic.
1761721;1514733395;asciilifeform;the 'illicit exporters' of '90s are today's 'cryptographic komyoonity'
1761722;1514733437;asciilifeform;so either 500+ d00dz all suffered exactly same dementia on same timetable, or.
1761723;1514733500;mircea_popescu;the great age of the bb was cool because of the bang. for instance : Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!lll-winken!~~~~elroy.jpl.nasa.gov~~~!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!spam!ross
1761724;1514733507;mircea_popescu;there's something great about explicit routing
1761725;1514733559;asciilifeform;tells recipient thing he dun have any biznis knowing , tho
1761726;1514733567;mircea_popescu;is that so ?
1761727;1514733592;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760926 << say it again.
1761728;1514733592;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 21:37 mircea_popescu: phf and if you don't share with heathens, make it so !!shelf returns a pile encrypted to my key for instance, nothing wrong with that.
1761729;1514733597;asciilifeform;the path, outside his l1
1761730;1514733607;mircea_popescu;yeswell.
1761731;1514733623;mircea_popescu;o look, a claim bernstein actually invented lzw
1761732;1514733629;asciilifeform;waiwaat
1761733;1514733631;mircea_popescu;(yabbawhap)
1761734;1514733631;asciilifeform;where
1761735;1514733644;mircea_popescu; http://tech-insider.org/unix/research/1991/0729.html
1761736;1514733669;asciilifeform;lzw is a '70s creation
1761737;1514733675;asciilifeform;djb was in diapers
1761738;1514733686;mircea_popescu;i did say a claim.
1761739;1514733709;asciilifeform;possibly he had a variant. ( erryone has a variant ! even asciilifeform )
1761740;1514733726;mircea_popescu;pretty sure i implement a variant every third time i do anything with pointers.
1761741;1514733735;mircea_popescu;(so do you ; you just don't know about it)
1761742;1514733843;asciilifeform;'March 7, 2003 - The SCO Group filed legal action against IBM in the State Court of Utah for trade secrets misappropriation, tortious interference, unfair competition and breach of contract. The complaint alleges that IBM made concentrated efforts to improperly destroy the economic value of UNIX, particularly UNIX on Intel, to benefit IBM's Linux services business.'
1761743;1514733854;asciilifeform;^ from linked vintagelul
1761744;1514733865;mircea_popescu;lotta that yea
1761745;1514733892;asciilifeform;gotta luvv 'improperly destroy the economic value' phrase
1761746;1514733995;mircea_popescu;it goes directly to the ugly truth at the bottom of the alt-usg (referenced above as 'cryptographic komyoonity' but rms's goons too [recently i've been seeing pompous "explanations" as to how linux is not a thing, it's just gnu os that matters btw]) : pure socialism.
1761747;1514734022;asciilifeform;pure barnaclism.
1761748;1514734034;zineKing;Hey, don't bad mouth RMS.
1761749;1514734038;asciilifeform;i can only with difficulty picture any of these folx, e.g. reading marx.
1761750;1514734056;mircea_popescu;that's the echafaudage the whole "export controls" and "microsoft monopoly" and etc wrangling in the 90s and 00s was supposed to distract from : please choose between empire and the socialst alternative!
1761751;1514734068;zineKing;He is to be respected for his contributions to compsci.
1761752;1514734075;mircea_popescu;zineKing not here.
1761753;1514734084;asciilifeform;zineKing: name one such contribution ?
1761754;1514734098;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aka 'good cop / bad cop'
1761755;1514734104;mircea_popescu;preferably one that doesn't consist of "tried to", that's what my slavegirls say before getting the whip
1761756;1514734133;zineKing;asciilifeform: GNU.
1761757;1514734149;mircea_popescu;zineKing how do you unpack this "gnu" symbol in your own head ?
1761758;1514734169;asciilifeform;zineKing: show an actual item, written by the man's own hand ?
1761759;1514734201;asciilifeform;gpl, for instance ( ignoring for a moment that it has 0 to do with computing ) was created by moglen
1761760;1514734208;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well there was that time he showed up at what-was-it-called mpex-wannabe and got some lunch money from amir taaki neh.
1761761;1514734220;zineKing;Not much might be written by him, but he is the founder.. Therefore he should be respected, just like I believe the founder of The Most Serene Republic ought to be respected.
1761762;1514734236;asciilifeform;zineKing: respected FOR WHAT?
1761763;1514734236;mircea_popescu;i do not intend to be respected on the basis of "i can't explain why" if at all possible.
1761764;1514734276;mircea_popescu;maybe if we're sexually intimate and respecter's underage, but even then... only briefly and still maybe.
1761765;1514734276;zineKing;Respected for his contribution, for founding GNU.
1761766;1514734279;asciilifeform;i for instance dug through lmi code base, that was leaked to me ( and iirc public for some yrs) , looked for interesting rmsism
1761767;1514734285;asciilifeform;found ~nuffin
1761768;1514734307;mircea_popescu;zineKing the problem here is an asymmetry, whereby we started ~where you are maybe 5 years ago, and then knowledge progressed.
1761769;1514734325;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rms << this may be interesting, but read it from the bottom up
1761770;1514734391;asciilifeform;rms ~= georgy gapon aka 'Поп Гапон'
1761771;1514734540;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 
1761772;1514735268;mircea_popescu;in other things that are pretty fucking hysterical, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.security/sIuDoPz0vyk
1761773;1514735306;mircea_popescu;people despising "script kiddies" for their varied ineptitudes (of which insecure pipes are a fine example) forgets that there was a time when the "best and brightest" founders-of-whatever did the exact same.
1761774;1514735353;mircea_popescu;in which vein : people despising "inept schoolchildren" who scribble their names on trees/wet cement/whatever forget (by which euphemism we render "never had any fucking idea") who actually started that trend.
1761775;1514735530;mircea_popescu;!#s braid cipher
1761776;1514735530;a111;0 results for "braid cipher", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=braid%20cipher
1761777;1514735546;mircea_popescu;here's something for your collection of ancient crankware asciilifeform : http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/BRAID/BRAID.HTM
1761778;1514736184;mircea_popescu;shit's fucking epic, an all-in-one manual on how to not design crypto, how to not communicate your design, how to not think and so on.
1761779;1514736463;mircea_popescu;but what it's truly interesting for, is just how disingenuous bernstein's "destruction" is. instead of a curt, and correct, "go study OTP and when you understand that, move up to lubby", he picks the wrong end of the mechanism to improperly reduce to a strawman. this is the risk of arguing with idiots -- if you're a normal person your social adjustment circuitry might entice you to make idiotic arguments in response and then
1761780;1514736463;mircea_popescu;thirty years later people will grin at the record.
1761781;1514737112;mircea_popescu;(as it happens here -- the year being 1991 lubby was still a decade away, and fountain codes poorly understood, so a honest mind might very well have ended up predating lubby through the exercise of trying to make a decent answer for this particular idiot. which process is exactly why "universities" exist in the first place, and teaching all-but-inescapable for researchers : it turns out that answering the malformed questions
1761782;1514737112;mircea_popescu; of [preselected] idiots is a major, if not the principal source of discovery ; something i know from personal experience for my own needs, if the theory weren't enough.)
1761783;1514737119;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761777 << asciilifeform confesses, he wrote one of these as a schoolboy. but never tried to sell as 'troo crypto'
1761784;1514737119;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 15:52 mircea_popescu: here's something for your collection of ancient crankware asciilifeform : http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/BRAID/BRAID.HTM
1761785;1514737133;mircea_popescu;this one is imo particularily good at what he does.
1761786;1514737163;asciilifeform;was exactly same scheme, bury bits of message in prngolade
1761787;1514737212;mircea_popescu;it's what i'd call "a telegraphist's intuition". there are these things that are particularily irksome/obvious to technical men (ie, not very intelligent) and small children.
1761788;1514737238;mircea_popescu;anyone at "inventions bureau" can confirm -- there's a profile of technical employee matching type of commonly-seen "invention"
1761789;1514737258;asciilifeform;folx who haven't put on the standard blinkers yet , aha
1761790;1514737289;mircea_popescu;yeah
1761791;1514737311;mircea_popescu;so i just went "wtf, there's no mention of this site in the logs" and it turns out that... yes there is, you gave it to me last year. lol.
1761792;1514737324;asciilifeform;the 1 thing children/telegraphers lack, is any contact with history; typically 'idea' was tried seven ways to pluto
1761793;1514737331;mircea_popescu;anyway, dood has a humongo collection of random wank/antiques, should prolly be mirrored.
1761794;1514737334;asciilifeform;by the time 'idea man' has it
1761795;1514737337;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly!
1761796;1514737374;mircea_popescu;"what do small children and technical men have in common ?" "they're not scholars" "oh."
1761797;1514737392;asciilifeform;!#s www.ciphersbyritter.com
1761798;1514737393;a111;6 results for "www.ciphersbyritter.com", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=www.ciphersbyritter.com
1761799;1514737412;mircea_popescu;!#s terry ritter
1761800;1514737412;a111;3 results for "terry ritter", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=terry%20ritter
1761801;1514737415;asciilifeform;^ see old threadz also
1761802;1514737422;mircea_popescu;aha
1761803;1514737563;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-10#1402046
1761804;1514737563;a111;Logged on 2016-02-10 14:21 mircea_popescu: 1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today."
1761805;1514737569;mircea_popescu;you know, like v.
1761806;1514737613;asciilifeform;betcha d00d would barf at v. 'where's the centralized incatron'
1761807;1514737626;mircea_popescu;the important point here is that there can be NO retrospective read of the history of ideas in any actual discipline that is both a) longer than epsilon and b) fails to discover the PRINCIPAL bar to discovery is personal dishonesty.
1761808;1514737679;mircea_popescu;and i mean it quite specifically as strong as "if djb weren't a spook, and honest enough a man to look at the problem correctly, he would probably have had lubby before lubby did. certainky he was smart enough."
1761809;1514737685;asciilifeform;if only personal. organized.
1761810;1514737704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there exists nothing but the person, in front of the mystery.
1761811;1514737718;mircea_popescu;there is no group there (or in general, but in general easier to fake it)
1761812;1514737731;asciilifeform;atom exists. but ball - bounces.
1761813;1514737742;mircea_popescu;atom also bounces.
1761814;1514737812;asciilifeform;!#s as above so below
1761815;1514737813;a111;1 result for "as above so below", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=as%20above%20so%20below
1761816;1514737876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, i still don't know why you call blinders "blinkers"
1761817;1514737902;asciilifeform;prolly same way mircea_popescu's collander became a calendar, lol
1761818;1514737999;mircea_popescu;for srs.
1761819;1514738029;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761781 << i gotta point out ftr, luby is recent but e.g. reed-solomon - quite bearded
1761820;1514738029;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 16:18 mircea_popescu: (as it happens here -- the year being 1991 lubby was still a decade away, and fountain codes poorly understood, so a honest mind might very well have ended up predating lubby through the exercise of trying to make a decent answer for this particular idiot. which process is exactly why "universities" exist in the first place, and teaching all-but-inescapable for researchers : it turns out that answering the malformed questions
1761821;1514738066;mircea_popescu;sure. if scholarly, he could have ended up trapped in a contrived reference to reed-solomon.
1761822;1514738079;asciilifeform;( recall 'par' archiver-splitter zips on binaries.* warez... )
1761823;1514738083;mircea_popescu;yes
1761824;1514738129;mircea_popescu;still, the "might very well" is extremely hard to do away with.
1761825;1514738179;asciilifeform;some items get found regardless of anything. e.g. su had the otp absolute-tightness proof in iirc 1930s
1761826;1514738187;asciilifeform;but seekrit.
1761827;1514738204;asciilifeform;so today folx credit von neumann
1761828;1514738204;mircea_popescu;one might consider the relationship proposed spurious, on that basis. that one is invited to free up a few weeks of his time and retrospect any field of his choice, see what he finds.
1761829;1514738243;asciilifeform;will find, e.g., lilienfeld's transistor.
1761830;1514738254;asciilifeform;!#s lilienfeld
1761831;1514738254;a111;13 results for "lilienfeld", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lilienfeld
1761832;1514738328;mircea_popescu;it's mindboggling, to me, you know ? EVERY fucking parent since the dawn of time told his kids "don't lie" with all sorts of dumb, dysfunctional ratonalles "you'll go to jail" "i'll beat you up" whatever the fuck.
1761833;1514738352;mircea_popescu;to my knowledge ~nobody, including the "professional" cuckeducators/retards they have in the anglo "humanist" tradition turned up the correct version :
1761834;1514738365;mircea_popescu;don't lie, because if you do you form a sort of mental habit that will prevent you from ever inventing anything.
1761835;1514738382;mircea_popescu;SPECIFICALLY for the reason that lies are easier.
1761836;1514738389;asciilifeform;most meatsacks want invent like dog wants beets.
1761837;1514738429;mircea_popescu;children ?
1761838;1514738454;asciilifeform;regressed-to-mean children have nfi what word even means.
1761839;1514738470;mircea_popescu;i don't think i ever met a kid that didn't intrinsically respect invention.
1761840;1514738494;asciilifeform;prolly there weren't any on that bus
1761841;1514738503;asciilifeform;with the tanzania se zice.. song
1761842;1514738514;mircea_popescu;i guess. tall order tho, even icecubes wear their pants a novel way
1761843;1514738525;asciilifeform;but in plebeland -- very different picture.
1761844;1514738542;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i also was in alabama bus!
1761845;1514738564;mircea_popescu;for somebody this rich i suppose i spent an inordinate amount of time in busses.
1761846;1514738613;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron wanna call 512-892-0494 see if mr ritter wants to audit fg ?
1761847;1514738666;asciilifeform;'В диком штате Алабаме / Страшный город Бирмингем..' (tm)(r)(mihalkov)
1761848;1514738681;mircea_popescu; http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/PATS/DYNSBPAT.HTM << in other things
1761849;1514738699;asciilifeform;( sores -- http://www.world-art.ru/lyric/lyric.php?id=14702 )
1761850;1514738725;mircea_popescu;feistel-ish thing best i can tell
1761851;1514738770;asciilifeform;y'know , i can no longer see any diff b/w ANY and all symmetriccipherists, and the linked d00d
1761852;1514738783;mircea_popescu;for the obvious reason.
1761853;1514738785;asciilifeform;same intellectual foundation.
1761854;1514738822;asciilifeform;'it confuses ME, and other stray dogs, therefor seekoor'
1761855;1514738894;mircea_popescu;ahaha did we do dood's "poetry" ie, as he himself confesses, "i was bored and horny in the army -- so here, cummings sheets" ?
1761856;1514738916;asciilifeform;lolwut
1761857;1514738916;mircea_popescu;http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/POETRY/PINBALL.HTM << an incel lament.
1761858;1514738938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform root : http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/POETRY/AFFECTED.HTM
1761859;1514738991;mircea_popescu;"This, my mixture of love and hate, is the reason why I hesitate . . . Yes, it is easily done, buy a room for two:  Instant me and mine -- then you."
1761860;1514739032;mircea_popescu;or, if you prefer, "Another time mated, thirst again sated, body passing hated, to books I turn, eager to learn, before it's again fated."
1761861;1514739068;mircea_popescu;generally you can recognize the undeclared cuck by that sure sign that disavows control of own sexuality. what the everloving fuck is "fated" about fucking ? maybe ~for her~.
1761862;1514739102;asciilifeform;loox like generic 'emo'
1761863;1514739107;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1761864;1514739153;mircea_popescu;if i were a hooker working from delrey, i'd print these and give them out to the sexagenarians.
1761865;1514739161;mircea_popescu;instant-whoremination.gif
1761866;1514739197;asciilifeform;lol
1761867;1514739276;mircea_popescu;ok, i take it back, he's not even terrible. here : "I saw her again and she saw me. It seemed that us at last was we. We'd break up, then remember, then one day we forgot to come back together. So she left, then I did, and I never saw her again."
1761868;1514739362;mircea_popescu;that "one day we forgot to remember" device is so much http://trilema.com/when-did-america-end generation it freakin' bleeds.
1761869;1514739416;asciilifeform; 'the man who wasn't there'
1761870;1514739434;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD4sxxoJGkA
1761871;1514739873;asciilifeform;upstack: the hilarity of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761777 is that it is provably equivalent to otp. but author appears to not have even heard of xor. ( to asciilifeform's anticredit, he as a boy knew of xor, and still came up with exact same rubbish )
1761872;1514739873;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 15:52 mircea_popescu: here's something for your collection of ancient crankware asciilifeform : http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/BRAID/BRAID.HTM
1761873;1514739902;mircea_popescu;well obviously, it's ignorantly-generalized otp, which is why i said, "start with otp"
1761874;1514739920;asciilifeform;typical of 'boy inventors', we see following pattern:
1761875;1514739927;mircea_popescu;exactly!
1761876;1514739956;asciilifeform;'There is the unavoidable problem of K exhaustion to be dealt with.  The more streams we need, the faster we use up the K. But considering the ability of the system to provide a high level of confidence, there is nothing to prevent us from cheating a bit.  A number of strategies for the rejuvenation of old K material can be left to the imagination of the clients...'
1761877;1514739968;mircea_popescu;wait till you get to the strategies.
1761878;1514739984;mircea_popescu;they are, IN EXACT ORDER, "1. nyah nyah my key was longer than i said it was"
1761879;1514739993;asciilifeform;i.e. 'take the fatal boojum and slide it under the carpet. bang! perfection!'
1761880;1514740005;mircea_popescu;then "2. nyah nyah exhaustion turnoff superpower" and then "3. magical key fountain"
1761881;1514740020;asciilifeform;'which totally not same as a prng'
1761882;1514740037;mircea_popescu;hey, a boy is born with a boy brain, it works the same way for all of them.
1761883;1514740037;asciilifeform;this is perpetuum mobile all over again
1761884;1514740065;asciilifeform;asciilifeform was a bona fide perpetuummobilist for whole, i think , yr
1761885;1514740086;mircea_popescu;i never was, because i had met a collection of cvasi pms as a younger boy than that'd have come.
1761886;1514740123;asciilifeform;this , historically, was not a guaranteed cure tho
1761887;1514740124;mircea_popescu;the "this item worked for 50 years, but STILL isn't pm" along with the famous "droppled of pitch" made some useful points for my head.
1761888;1514740136;mircea_popescu;yeah, just luckily worked.
1761889;1514740200;mircea_popescu;did they have the "this dropplet of pitch has been working its clockwork towards dropping for x decades" item in yoru space ?
1761890;1514740209;asciilifeform;invention + excuse-craft == crackpottery
1761891;1514740241;asciilifeform;we had perelman ( older perelman, not riemann's ) megab00k
1761892;1514740247;mircea_popescu;ah
1761893;1514740259;mircea_popescu;but i mean the physical object
1761894;1514740300;mircea_popescu;i suspect a major "favourable factor" in the supposedly genetics-only "regression to mean" is poorly varied environment for the kids. ie, all sorts of important phenomena ("arbitrarily slow motion" say) not directly perceived.
1761895;1514740301;asciilifeform;!#s занимательная физика
1761896;1514740302;a111;1 result for "занимательная физика", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%20%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0
1761897;1514740306;mircea_popescu;kid ends up with broken heuristics.
1761898;1514740342;mircea_popescu;and the problem with heuristics is -- they self-reinforce. BOTH if broken or if sound. proper knowledge only self-reinforces if sound, but heuristic approaches don't know their own dick from a hole in the ground.
1761899;1514740342;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i had physical objects largely from junkyard. with the obvious limitations. until, at least, the comp
1761900;1514740390;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform local natl history museum had an ancient such item ; along with a yellow diamond and what all else. stored in these immense, pre 1900 wooden behemoths, at that.
1761901;1514740395;mircea_popescu;it was quite impressive.
1761902;1514740401;mircea_popescu;dunno if it still stands, but anyway.
1761903;1514740453;asciilifeform;there is a decent museum like this in usa -- smithsonian . but asciilifeform was already 10 by the time he saw it.
1761904;1514740474;mircea_popescu;it works a lot better as "substitute palace of graybeard santas" if you're say 5.
1761905;1514740481;asciilifeform;aha
1761906;1514740528;asciilifeform;phunphakt -- today they have a 'lemelson hall of invention', which reads quite like a 'eichmann hall of judaism'
1761907;1514740537;mircea_popescu;ahajaja
1761908;1514740570;asciilifeform;i wonder if they're building a sco hall of unix yet..
1761909;1514740589;mircea_popescu;i was talking to someone and they were all indignant over " a set of international prizes in Life Sciences, Fundamental Physics and Mathematics, was founded by Sergey Brin and Anne Wojcicki, Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan, and Yuri Milner and Julia Milner." because who the fuck is zuckerberg.
1761910;1514740592;mircea_popescu;~same flavour
1761911;1514740625;asciilifeform;lol the 'society wives'
1761912;1514740729;mircea_popescu;the woj chickies ? kinda remind me of http://trilema.com/2012/test-de-curvidentificare-vizuala/
1761913;1514740749;mircea_popescu;(sadoveanu, despicable regime-alligned novelist and consequently bigwig had 3 daughters)
1761914;1514740782;asciilifeform;lol curvidentificate
1761915;1514740818;asciilifeform;phunnily, asciilifeform bought a coupla wizened tomes of sadoveanu at gypsy market in timis
1761916;1514740827;mircea_popescu;he's not terrible as a writer.
1761917;1514740827;asciilifeform;had nfi wtf it was
1761918;1514740836;mircea_popescu;sorta ro pulp of the 50s.
1761919;1514740861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform does your dictionary provide a guess for kokofifi's "sugushesc" ?
1761920;1514740868;asciilifeform;1 has a stereotypical red-tied пионер on the cover
1761921;1514740878;mircea_popescu;aha.
1761922;1514740927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hmm, i'ma guess sumthing like 'to guzzle spooje'
1761923;1514740932;mircea_popescu;nah, strangle.
1761924;1514740937;asciilifeform;aaa
1761925;1514740938;mircea_popescu;northern people, they speak their own romanian.
1761926;1514740941;asciilifeform;makes sense
1761927;1514740944;asciilifeform;hungary
1761928;1514740949;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1761929;1514741095;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/let-me-tell-you-about-jean-moscopol/#selection-77.1-79.49 << sadoveanu refpoint
1761930;1514741098;asciilifeform;there are obvious hungarisms in mainline ro tho
1761931;1514741104;mircea_popescu;esp western.
1761932;1514741246;asciilifeform;oh hah new trilemapic
1761933;1514741257;asciilifeform;with hanbot even
1761934;1514741270;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun
1761935;1514741282;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu loox almost like an earthling man in this one
1761936;1514741306;mircea_popescu;no beard ?
1761937;1514741314;asciilifeform;aha
1761938;1514741378;asciilifeform;and i guess the part where there's a fully dressed gurl
1761939;1514741412;mircea_popescu;lol!
1761940;1514741769;mircea_popescu;http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/BRAID/91062301.HTM << the bickering is fucking hysterical.
1761941;1514741823;mircea_popescu;"b) the key it does allow you to extract won't be used right away, but at an undetermined time in the futur, depending on the available store of key material, and on the volume of traffic," is actually included verbatim in DEFENSE of the utility of the scheme
1761942;1514742361;asciilifeform;sci.crypt was a magnet for these btw
1761943;1514742392;mircea_popescu;aha.
1761944;1514742398;asciilifeform;just as sci.physics was for 'phree energy' and 'ditch j00-einsteinism' etc
1761945;1514742432;mircea_popescu;d. f. boyd has a moment of illumination (yes, you've guessed it, i reed these mostly to see what THE EXPERTS say) : "what happens if i send a block of nulls ? what happens if i set a block of 1s ? what can i do with these two ?"
1761946;1514742469;asciilifeform;'I did publish, separately in sci.crypt, a nostalgic piece about a possible ancestor to this system.  You can't very well accuse me of claiming novelty.  There is a lot of deviousness and a bit of intelligence in what I proposed, but the novelty is in the way I implement the idea, and in the beneficial side effects.'
1761947;1514742474;asciilifeform;lol!!
1761948;1514742476;mircea_popescu;also, nutmeg apparently heard of xor, but "is no good -- can't send key!"
1761949;1514742549;asciilifeform;the funniest bit is that this d00d wasn't 15 y.o
1761950;1514742668;mircea_popescu;whatever happened of this fellow bt
1761951;1514742689;mircea_popescu;w ? was making comments re emacs on vaxen from suny binghamton, then... zip
1761952;1514742714;asciilifeform;devil knows, maybe dead
1761953;1514742759;mircea_popescu;hm.
1761954;1514742874;mircea_popescu;meanwhile suny moved on to http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3757063/State-University-New-York-Binghampton-offering-Stop-White-People-course-resident-advisors.html
1761955;1514742949;asciilifeform;Ciaran Slattery, Nicholas Pulakos and Urenna Nwogwugwu << ahahahaha gotta be a gag
1761956;1514743061;mircea_popescu;includes page copy...
1761957;1514743589;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761846 << sure.
1761958;1514743589;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 16:43 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wanna call 512-892-0494 see if mr ritter wants to audit fg ?
1761959;1514743903;mircea_popescu;http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/BRAID/91062402.HTM << the champagne bits are choice. the part where "we have fallen out of the system, it's all key driven" even better. this guy's a fabulous kook. i almost think it's worthwhile to make him a reference for discussion of crypto.
1761960;1514744016;mircea_popescu;specifically because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761851 ; i have the lingering suspicion i have read something like say "The key management stream is not distinguishable from the rest of the stuff, be it noise, or plaintext." stated in other hands before.
1761961;1514744016;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 16:46 asciilifeform: y'know , i can no longer see any diff b/w ANY and all symmetriccipherists, and the linked d00d
1761962;1514744485;mircea_popescu;"One aspect I have been studying, which nobody raised, is that we could find ourselves with a dynamic system, as the key that is generated will be used to program the key generator. This could be a builtin limit to my approach.  I still have to think about it.  On the other hand, if I could tune it for chaos..."
1761963;1514744490;mircea_popescu;LETS TUNE FOR CHAOS!
1761964;1514744543;mircea_popescu;this is it, there is no more needed. what i wish to know of all future cryptosystems is simply "ok mr x, you have here a cryptosystem, but answer me this : IS IT TUNED FOR CHAOS ?"
1761965;1514744969;mircea_popescu;and then a coupla days later : "Objective: Design a method which would allow for the availability of an infinite length random key (automated one-time pad generation), from a finite store of random material."
1761966;1514744998;mircea_popescu;fellow earlier assured us he "is familiar" with "the problems" and other symbols mentioned (knuth, shannon, whatever) so i believe him :D
1761967;1514746557;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, just called and left a message. if he's interested he should have enough info to join this channel
1761968;1514746563;mircea_popescu;cool ty.
1761969;1514746589;mircea_popescu;what's "enough info", irc.freenode.net port 8001 ?
1761970;1514746613;danielpbarron;yeah i spelled out #trilema and freenode and also explained that you can google for a webchat url
1761971;1514748768;danielpbarron;!~later tell trinque what am i doing wrong here? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Aovvg/?raw=true
1761972;1514748768;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1761973;1514748793;danielpbarron;woops, it also gives the same output if i do ./install.sh /dev/sda
1761974;1514748794;trinque;you didn't tell it what device to install to.
1761975;1514748805;danielpbarron;ya ya i just did that one for the wotpaste but it's the same output
1761976;1514748851;trinque;gotta actually read the script, see what command it was running.
1761977;1514748857;danielpbarron;i tried that!
1761978;1514748876;trinque;lol, one sec, lemme see what's happening in that part
1761979;1514748880;danielpbarron;just making sure /dev/sda is what you call a mount point
1761980;1514748898;danielpbarron;i also tried pre-formatting it and specifying /dev/sda1
1761981;1514748912;danielpbarron;and also tried pre-mounting and specifying /mnt/gentoo
1761982;1514748928;trinque;hold on, what are you booting from?
1761983;1514748936;danielpbarron;a gentoo live cd/usb thing
1761984;1514748958;danielpbarron;kinda old
1761985;1514749006;trinque;paste the actual output with sda; I suspect it's different.
1761986;1514749029;trinque;the line in question is the one creating a new partition table with parted
1761987;1514749046;trinque;look at the command it's creating and see if your parted supports it or not
1761988;1514749058;danielpbarron;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Qs9QW/?raw=true
1761989;1514749101;danielpbarron;i did try manually typing that parted line and it returned fine (i think)
1761990;1514749114;danielpbarron;by that i mean it returned a blank line return
1761991;1514749141;danielpbarron;well that's not entirely true, what is that final $ thing in the parted line
1761992;1514749146;trinque;ah shit, my instructions are wrong.
1761993;1514749151;trinque;one sec, updating blog
1761994;1514749158;danielpbarron;lol
1761995;1514749160;trinque;I added a param for the kernel config to use, see top
1761996;1514749216;danielpbarron;top of what, i refreshed the blog post and i don't see a difference
1761997;1514749235;trinque;top of the script you're reading!
1761998;1514749238;trinque;:D
1761999;1514749244;danielpbarron;i should redownload? ok
1762000;1514749282;trinque;no.
1762001;1514749302;trinque;hold your horses; I'm saying if you look at the top of the script you have, you can see that there are two parameters.
1762002;1514749342;danielpbarron;aha, the kconfig
1762003;1514749360;danielpbarron;aw shit, i have to provide my own kernel config :<
1762004;1514749373;danielpbarron;which i have, let's give it a shot
1762005;1514749453;trinque;danielpbarron: post updated
1762006;1514749509;danielpbarron;ok this time it still says "build is not a mountpoint" but it seems to be doing something so far
1762007;1514749559;trinque;yep, it checks to see if build is already mounted, unmounts if so.
1762008;1514749582;trinque;makes the dev loop on the thing easier, edit script, rebuild.
1762009;1514749583;danielpbarron;aaaaand my sketchy chinese usb drive crashed the laptop when i unplugged ffffff
1762010;1514749593;trinque;wahaha
1762011;1514749598;trinque;hey your testing is greatly appreciated.
1762012;1514749635;danielpbarron;for the lol record, i got this usb drive many years ago from the roger verified memorydealers site for what is now probably thousands of USD worth of bitcoin
1762013;1514749996;mircea_popescu;lol
1762014;1514750147;danielpbarron;started again and script is still chugging along nicely
1762015;1514750221;*;danielpbarron takes a sip of eggnog latte with overproof rum
1762016;1514750382;trinque;good deal. too bad I'm out of nog or I'd join in.
1762017;1514750416;trinque;if you want to poke around in the build after it's done (or breaks), it'll still be mounted for you to chroot in.
1762018;1514750472;danielpbarron;so i wanna put eulora on this thing when it finishes. i'm curious does it already have asciilifeform's crapolade mask file or is that the kind of thing i have to put in manually?
1762019;1514750599;trinque;see the masks and removed useflags in the build script
1762020;1514750632;trinque;has not specifically asciilifeform's list, though I'm pretty sure mine encompasses it. if it lacks something, point it out and it'll get added.
1762021;1514750669;danielpbarron;mostly asked because someone will probably wonder the same and now they have something to read in the log. i'll give it a look when it finishes
1762022;1514751652;shinohai;!!up RemoteFox
1762023;1514751652;deedbot;RemoteFox voiced for 30 minutes.
1762024;1514751786;RemoteFox;ola
1762025;1514751990;shinohai;ola
1762026;1514751994;shinohai;k tal
1762027;1514753613;danielpbarron;!!up premysl
1762028;1514753613;deedbot;premysl voiced for 30 minutes.
1762029;1514753647;premysl;Hi.
1762030;1514753656;danielpbarron;hi, who are yoU?
1762031;1514753696;premysl;I'm a passer-by, pondering what's going on over here.
1762032;1514753716;danielpbarron;just taking over the world, that's all
1762033;1514754438;danielpbarron;script still going :D
1762034;1514754616;mod6;nice. what arch?
1762035;1514754757;danielpbarron;trinque's latest cuntoo thing
1762036;1514754766;danielpbarron;oh, amd64
1762037;1514754773;mod6;ah werd
1762038;1514755061;mod6;all the gentoos i've got are amd64 and default .config
1762039;1514755081;mod6;im fairly sure .. anyway
1762040;1514757389;ben_vulpes;premysl: logs are in channel title
1762041;1514760624;mircea_popescu;in other news, new year's the best time to drive around here.
1762042;1514760756;mircea_popescu;police car parked in between the lanes, "hey, is that da polis ?" "shit, it is" "well... they're not chasing." "in truth i was only doing 100, the limit's 80. just 20 over... that's kinda stickler fare..." "you were also doing 130 earlier, in the 60 limit zone" "shit, i was ?"
1762043;1514761373;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1762014 << how long does emerge world take by this process then ?
1762044;1514761373;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 19:55 danielpbarron: started again and script is still chugging along nicely
1762045;1514762582;trinque;takes on the scale of hours to build first; after first build you have binary packages of what you built, can complete in minutes
1762046;1514763105;mircea_popescu;aha
1762047;1514763184;mircea_popescu;in other holy shit : apparently omaha, nebraska cancelled ny fireworks because it snowed and the soviets "dun want anyone to get frostbite"
1762048;1514763596;mircea_popescu;to quote the local oracle, "america's best days lie ahead"
1762049;1514763610;mircea_popescu;!#s "hay" "mas" "futuro"
1762050;1514763611;a111;17 results for "\"hay\" \"mas\" \"futuro\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22hay%22%20%22mas%22%20%22futuro%22