1718946;1506819416;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1718947;1506819417;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 487744 | Current Difficulty: 1.103400932964E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 487871 | Next Difficulty In: 127 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1718948;1506826285;mircea_popescu;what's new elaineo
1718949;1506826645;mircea_popescu;!!up elaineo
1718950;1506826645;deedbot;elaineo voiced for 30 minutes.
1718951;1506826652;mircea_popescu;what's it say ?
1718952;1506826681;elaineo;i got the OTP through PM
1718953;1506826706;elaineo;but no response after decrypting msg
1718954;1506826712;mircea_popescu;hm.
1718955;1506826725;mircea_popescu;trinque is deedbot sick ? i notice he kinda quit doing the rss also
1718956;1506826765;elaineo;deedbot is a dude?
1718957;1506826776;mircea_popescu;elaineo did you say something just like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717369 to it ? except diff numbers of course ?
1718958;1506826776;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 04:39 mircea_popescu: !!v D4088521A7610AB73BAEDE6391EB686B1BDAD174263DFECC60AD9707A0674ECD
1718959;1506826789;mircea_popescu;no, deedbot is an actual bot ; oglafbot is an actual dude.
1718960;1506826822;elaineo;forgot the 'v', my mistake
1718961;1506826871;mircea_popescu;a
1718962;1506826945;elaineo;is qntra still a thing?
1718963;1506826958;mircea_popescu;yes, but it has joined the chorus invisible for the time being.
1718964;1506826968;mircea_popescu;gotta get hosting sorted out.
1718965;1506827096;mircea_popescu;"Nobody becomes a software engineer because they love writing code; they become a software engineer because it allows them to build out ideas." << this is not so in my experience. from what i've seen in others, and certainyl in my own case, we become engineers because everythinf everyone else does is shit.
1718966;1506827147;mircea_popescu;i came out of retirement for like the third fucking time to design non-crap items ; asciilifeform narrowly avoided the bottle because apparently there were some people somewhere actually engineering, as opposed to tubgirling all over themnselves. and so following.
1718967;1506827197;mircea_popescu;(btw, check out how sentence references work on trilema : http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/#selection-39.0-39.40 )
1718968;1506827229;elaineo;is your intention to show others how to build things properly, or to solve your own problems because no one is doing it for you?
1718969;1506827260;mircea_popescu;the latter.
1718970;1506827334;mircea_popescu;this is a matter of incontrovertible fact, signed by the hand of the author himself : if i didn't HAVE TO write http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm and such, nobody "involved in bitcoin" would even know my name.
1718971;1506827335;elaineo;that's probably a better way of saying what i meant to say, then
1718972;1506827373;mircea_popescu;i dunno how common this case is in general ; but i guarantee it is the only case where it actually matters, which is to say at the top. that's why torvalds got off ass, that's why rich got off ass, pick any one of the actually competent.
1718973;1506827702;elaineo;why did you feel compelled to write "In re Bitcoin Devs are idiots" ? did code stop sucking after that post?
1718974;1506827811;mircea_popescu;it did not stop sucking, no. but it did suck then.
1718975;1506827813;mircea_popescu;"If you’re a Venture Capitalist, the last thing you want is for your child to go into wage slavery." << more in the same vein. i do take the tack you recommend ("you have no choice in the matter ; the bullwhip is right over there if this doesn't translate otherwise") with my own slavegirls, in a limited sense, thereby forcing them to proficiency in ~certain aspects~ of software engineering. those aspects are exactly those a
1718976;1506827814;mircea_popescu;lligned with the above -- woman, you have to be able to think clearly, and correctly, and when i say "take no crap from anyone, be it wikipedia or your mom", i actually mean ~something~. it's not a ra ra ra, it's an actually specified artefact, it belongs in engineering, with process assurance and quality control and all that jazz, not as part of a pep rally.
1718977;1506827848;mircea_popescu;being a ~competent~ engineer, of any kind, can't possibly be a regression. it's intellectually required for human life.
1718978;1506828002;elaineo;why do your slavegirls submit to you? one can easily imagine an alternate universe where your slavegirls mistakenly chose a master that whips em in another direction
1718979;1506828022;mircea_popescu;one could indeed readily so imagine ; doesn't take much.
1718980;1506828043;mircea_popescu;amusingly, 3k word answer to your q is quoted above, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1718967
1718981;1506828043;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 03:06 mircea_popescu: (btw, check out how sentence references work on trilema : http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/#selection-39.0-39.40 )
1718982;1506828090;elaineo;"because you're capable of making silence, annulling the noise such that they can focus on the things that actually matter, to them."
1718983;1506828113;mircea_popescu;aha!
1718984;1506828122;*;mircea_popescu is happy with that as a one line summary.
1718985;1506828267;mircea_popescu;"The most important tech skill, then, isn’t computers or engineering — It’s the art of getting paid to control vast amounts of money." << this then is rank nonsense on the level of "the best car is one with a really powerful engine". really, no steering needed ? brakes optional ? some people are good at finance, some people are horrible at it. yes, fixing your head so you don't suck at finance is absolute requirement fo
1718986;1506828268;mircea_popescu;r human completeness. fixing your head so you don't suck at engineering is earlier stop on the same road. first, you learn to walk, THEN you learn to fuck. "the most important skill" is a discussion of age and station appropriateness, naught else.
1718987;1506828268;elaineo;who is "you" in this piece? yourself, mircea_popescu? or self-perceived masters in general?
1718988;1506828291;mircea_popescu;elaineo well, a master, i expect. but not self perceived, perception dun enter into it. substantial master.
1718989;1506828353;elaineo;oh come on. why would fixing your head so you don't suck at engineering be a prerequisite? Did you learn to be a good slavegirl before you could be a master?
1718990;1506828389;mircea_popescu;no, i did not. but the reason is unrelated : engineering deals with discrete, concrete items, before your eyes. finance deals with complex systems of such items.
1718991;1506828415;mircea_popescu;trying to "understand thermodynamics" without any shits given for the atomic theory will result in tears.
1718992;1506828536;BingoBoingo;<elaineo> "because you're capable of making silence, annulling the noise such that they can focus on the things that actually matter, to them." << This makes those iDiot slabs anti-Master!
1718993;1506828660;elaineo;@mircea_popescu having never worked in finance, i suppose i'll take your word for it, for now
1718994;1506828684;mircea_popescu;moreover, consider the case of mr hruschev of the soviets vs mr lee of the singaporeans. it is a factual matter that no one to date had control, properly called financial in this context, of more resources than hruschev. nor probably ever will. what good did it do him ? and lee started with two old boats and some captured rats. he grilled the rats, sold them and went from there, completing one of the very few cases documented
1718995;1506828684;mircea_popescu; to date of that ancient boyish dream of you know, "trading toothpicks for car parts and those for plastic bags and so on until trillionaire!"
1718996;1506828758;mircea_popescu;but this aside, you familiar with the general fate of lottery winners ?
1718997;1506828777;elaineo;yes, i am
1718998;1506828812;mircea_popescu;having a large army behind you (and money is strictly nothing but) is, obviously, an important ingredient in gaining battlefield glory and the laurels of caesar.
1718999;1506828838;elaineo;lottery winners not really comparable, since they are not competent in finance, engineering, or much of anything
1719000;1506828845;mircea_popescu;no argument here. however, crassus was ill served by his army at carrhae.
1719001;1506828858;mircea_popescu;elaineo but they do control outsized chunks of money.
1719002;1506828885;elaineo;look at the rothschilds & rockefellers
1719003;1506828894;mircea_popescu;i am looking. what am i expected to see ?
1719004;1506828930;elaineo;they controlled outsized chunks of money, and thus human labor
1719005;1506828942;mircea_popescu;this is a dubious statement of the actual history of the matter.
1719006;1506829034;mircea_popescu;consider it from this angle : for 1 point, who was emperor maximillian ; for 1 point, what did he order be done to his artillery pieces and in which town ; for a further point who happened to live there and for the remainder 6 poins, why did you not say his name ?
1719007;1506829050;mircea_popescu;when you pick two examples but fail to pick the proper one among them, teacher knows you didn;t actually do the reading.
1719008;1506829064;elaineo;0 points for me
1719009;1506829125;mircea_popescu;jakob fugger was the proper example for this "rich man financing the dissolution of medieval system into industrial society". and the emperor had his artillery wheels bound in hay so as to not disturb his sleep.
1719010;1506829153;mircea_popescu;this may suggest that "human capital" was of no importance, value or interest. what mattered was ailleurs.
1719011;1506829269;mircea_popescu;now then -- the iliterate migrant worker who wins 100mn worth of powerball you would have learn how to read and write so the shysters won't trick him with contracts. this makes sense. yet the innocent daughter of a VC you wouldn't have understand engineering, so the shysters won't feed her crap in their description of "reality" ? what's this girl to do if she ever has to fix her car, pay 8k for a new johnson rod, like george
1719012;1506829269;mircea_popescu;costanza ?
1719013;1506829389;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am8mbOeKBzE << teh johnson rod.
1719014;1506829459;elaineo;understanding engineering is a subset of what it takes to not be a moron, which is a subset of what it takes to be a VC
1719015;1506829545;elaineo;what mattered was ailleurs.
1719016;1506829555;mircea_popescu;tell ?
1719017;1506829617;elaineo;oh, i dunno. just copied & pasted a sentence from what you said above.
1719018;1506829642;mircea_popescu;lol, what's that, some google ai thing ?
1719019;1506829684;elaineo;cargo cult arguing-on-the-internet
1719020;1506829715;mircea_popescu;ailleurs there is a reference to "la joie c'est ailleurs", which is my own reprocessing of "la vie est ailleurs", which is a kundera novel, and the yarn of reference, criticism and tongue in cheekness does continue
1719021;1506829756;elaineo;was anyone expected to understand that reference aside from yourself?
1719022;1506829766;mircea_popescu;yes. everyone was expected to understand the reference.
1719023;1506829773;mircea_popescu;dja ever read milan kundera btw ?
1719024;1506829780;elaineo;nope
1719025;1506829803;mircea_popescu;ah, too bad. i'd expect you'd like him, seems to me exactly in your style.
1719026;1506829815;mircea_popescu;though granted this may be more a description of my poor understanding of selfsame styler.
1719027;1506829925;elaineo;interesting... i'll check out one of his books
1719028;1506829939;mircea_popescu;so supposing you were going to teach me about capitalism ... what would you say ?
1719029;1506830031;elaineo;i've never been an investor so i don't know what it takes to be successful at one. i suppose it starts with understanding supply, demand, transaction costs
1719030;1506830044;mircea_popescu;hm.
1719031;1506830081;mircea_popescu;eh, i find it hard to believe you can live in bay area and not be an investor. don't they force-feed everyone stocks, options, etcetera as part of employment there ?
1719032;1506830163;elaineo;i get stock options, but i don't think that makes me an investor. stock options are like S&H greenstamps, where you feel like you're getting something valuable for free but you're not
1719033;1506830191;mircea_popescu;well, technically the definition of investor, neh ? one who owns commercial paper in excess of 0 cash nominal value.
1719034;1506830237;elaineo;by that definition, sure. though it doesn't really make me diversified.
1719035;1506830278;mircea_popescu;i expect not. so why do you expect other people/parents who don't even have enough sense to find #trilema could teach their kids anything, including how to make mayo ? leaving aside something as intricate as capitalism.
1719036;1506830453;elaineo;they don't need to teach their kids anything. systematically discern the essential from the unimportant. the whole master/slavegirl making silence thing
1719037;1506830454;BingoBoingo;Capitalism is simple. Just focus on doing the next right thing and making the world a better place, for you.
1719038;1506830480;mircea_popescu;elaineo this works well for adults. kids need to be fed.
1719039;1506830506;mircea_popescu;otherwise, indian continent wolves adopting indian kids into their litters make excellent parents.
1719040;1506830533;BingoBoingo;Excellent in comparison to the Bhararas
1719041;1506830537;elaineo;never had to deal with kids. if the indian wolf-kids are happy, well...
1719042;1506830553;mircea_popescu;if they're not happy, they'll bark their unhappiness to the stars above.
1719043;1506830597;BingoBoingo;!!up TomServo
1719044;1506830597;deedbot;TomServo voiced for 30 minutes.
1719045;1506830623;TomServo;Greetings BingoBoingo
1719046;1506830635;BingoBoingo;Likewise
1719047;1506830774;mircea_popescu;"If pet food companies used the same business model as startups: Jim creates a dog food factory and gives away dog food for free. 450 million dogs line up for free dog food. Purina Dog Chow understands that non-paying dog food consumers are currency, and buys Jim’s factory for $42 per dog." << in other historical elaineo lulz.
1719048;1506830827;elaineo;those were the numbers from Facebook's acquisition of Whatsapp
1719049;1506830831;mircea_popescu;aha.
1719050;1506830851;mircea_popescu;i recall. was well received here too. somehow it's not money laudnering when the right idiots do it.
1719051;1506830963;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in historical elaineo terrible, "Uber is a great example of a hack: Taxicab licensing rules are annoying and only serve to make a few people’s lives better (the taxi medallion owners) while making many people’s lives worse. Waze allows drivers to report speed traps and police checkpoints because we all know that CHP officers only issue tickets to fill their quotas. Airbnb shirks rental and zoning regulations, an
1719052;1506830963;mircea_popescu;d the world is arguably a better place for it."
1719053;1506830967;mircea_popescu;dja think any of that is defensible ?
1719054;1506831036;elaineo;the first two, yes. airbnb, no.
1719055;1506831119;mircea_popescu;let's take the first one. why would $random city in $national country give up its taxi transportation system to the usg ?
1719056;1506831150;elaineo;to ensure equal service to underserved minorities
1719057;1506831156;mircea_popescu;so that self-important schmucks in washington can spy on foreign nationals daily, and now and again "sanction" foreign government with taxi strike generated in the usual manner ?
1719058;1506831178;mircea_popescu;but what actually happens is that the blue state will tryt to get people who didn't vote for the pantsuited hilarity unable to use cabs.
1719059;1506831194;mircea_popescu;in actual point of practice. no "underserved minority" is getting into the recent suv crossover.
1719060;1506831202;elaineo;hold up - you are equating Uber with USG?
1719061;1506831206;mircea_popescu;yes.\
1719062;1506831216;mircea_popescu;all "us registered corporations" are simply agencies of the usg.
1719063;1506831239;mircea_popescu;"regulatory compliance" it's called in-universe. but in practice, they're exactly like the old time soviet govt entreprises.
1719064;1506831243;elaineo;so there's no difference between us registered corporations and public transportation, within the US
1719065;1506831259;mircea_popescu;there is, because publkic transport is mostly state, whereas uber is federal.
1719066;1506831272;elaineo;Uber is not winning in foreign countries -- it already retreated from China & russia
1719067;1506831274;mircea_popescu;and because there's specific laws protecting public interest from a time before the bush power grabs
1719068;1506831300;mircea_popescu;it's not winning anywhere. the whole thing is a more-successful-than-usual spam&fraud campaign by graham and friends.
1719069;1506831306;mircea_popescu;but it's entirely like groupon say.
1719070;1506831349;elaineo;okay, i concede that uber, in its current state, is an agency of the usg and thus worse than state-owned public transport
1719071;1506831364;elaineo;uber, in an earlier state, was localized and legitimately a private corp
1719072;1506831386;mircea_popescu;well, i'ma opt out of arguing waze without prejudice, because while it's basically an antieconomic game of masturbation, i'm too lazy to argue it.
1719073;1506831417;elaineo;ok. it's part of Google's surveillance arm now anyway
1719074;1506831435;mircea_popescu;worthless anyway, anyway.
1719075;1506831520;elaineo;airbnb is shit. it incentivized short-term rental housing at the loss of long-term rentals
1719076;1506831548;elaineo;and thus exacerbated the housing crisis.
1719077;1506831559;mircea_popescu;many ways to see how shitty it is. seriously, i want to change my fuckable 3years leases neighbour for a horde of unwashed 20something 2-week leasors ?
1719078;1506831561;mircea_popescu;holy shit no.
1719079;1506831586;mircea_popescu;last fucking thing i want is to have to argue at idiots about music being too loud each week and actually be confronted with literall different idiots with identical idiocy in them
1719080;1506831598;elaineo;yeah, that too
1719081;1506831623;mircea_popescu;for all the gargle, there's ~nothing came out of marc a & paul g's up and coming rap label firms.
1719082;1506831658;elaineo;as a resident of the SF bay area, i appreciate all the VC-subsidized free shit
1719083;1506831685;mircea_popescu;you're welcome, but do you happen to know what's the worst thing that can happen to a gifted woman early on in her life ?
1719084;1506831804;elaineo;dunno. kids?
1719085;1506831810;mircea_popescu;a bad source of revenue.
1719086;1506831823;mircea_popescu;the original discussed "promising companies", but there's really no difference -- women are great company.
1719087;1506831863;elaineo;sure, that makes sense
1719088;1506831866;mod6;!~later tell jurov Sent SoBA email to btc-dev list, didn't bounce, maybe stuck in queue?  Plz to take a look and see if it is just stuck.  Thanks!
1719089;1506831866;jhvh1;mod6: The operation succeeded.
1719090;1506831909;mircea_popescu;elaineo free shit is terrible, which is why wanna-be pimps hang around highschools trying to paw off "free shit" to the better looking 16yos.
1719091;1506831955;elaineo;terrible in the sense of, "the first hit is free"?
1719092;1506831961;mircea_popescu;quite.
1719093;1506831990;mircea_popescu;also why aren't your footnotes clickable ? like eg in https://elaineou.com/2014/11/11/silicon-valley-is-the-new-fannie-mae/ i wanna click on that 1.
1719094;1506832011;mircea_popescu;i won't even ask what do you think makes me gather the dork is having a great time from that pic.
1719095;1506832046;elaineo;clickable-footnotes didn't occur to me until later on. even then, i'm kinda lazy.
1719096;1506832057;mircea_popescu;ah. also, tooltipping footnotes are good.
1719097;1506832079;elaineo;oh, right, i do like that about trilema
1719098;1506832087;mircea_popescu;hey, i didn't realise azn immigrants are even allowed to be lazy
1719099;1506832114;elaineo;we are, once we've left our parents' homes
1719100;1506832145;mircea_popescu;ah. yea, makes sense.
1719101;1506832155;elaineo;your slavegirls become a basketcase the moment you turn them loose
1719102;1506832161;mircea_popescu;nah.
1719103;1506832172;mircea_popescu;why, do 2nd gen azns ?
1719104;1506832271;elaineo;yes, esp if they have parents who are doing well
1719105;1506832275;mircea_popescu;hm.
1719106;1506832288;elaineo;http://trilema.com/2015/on-parenting/
1719107;1506832295;mircea_popescu;well, truth be told, there's no official "turning loose" as such. girls can leave if they wanna, some do now and again, but it's not that common.
1719108;1506832320;mircea_popescu;elaineo that's an tlp original.
1719109;1506832349;elaineo;aren't all the posts original?
1719110;1506832433;mircea_popescu;no, some are rewrites of other people's work, like say the disgrace series, or you know, http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/ or http://trilema.com/2013/a-story-of-a-boy-and-a-tree/
1719111;1506832443;mircea_popescu;others are adnotations, like the recent rothbard series for instance.
1719112;1506832479;mircea_popescu;this one's of that latter kind. the footnotes are mine, but the text is originally published by ballas over at thelastpsychiatrist.com ; linked there in the first line.
1719113;1506832610;elaineo;oh.
1719114;1506832675;elaineo;i have trouble following the, ehm, dialogue posts. eg http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/
1719115;1506832685;mircea_popescu;not very good dialogue ?
1719116;1506832724;elaineo;i have trouble relating to the context
1719117;1506832765;mircea_popescu;one problem with trilema is that some articles (esp the lifestyle sort, for isntance) end up with a heavy load of private jokes. these aren't materia obscura a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719021 but actual "0 chances someone i'm not fucking gets this".
1719118;1506832765;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 03:49 elaineo: was anyone expected to understand that reference aside from yourself?
1719119;1506832804;elaineo;yeah, i assumed that was the case
1719120;1506832828;mircea_popescu;anyway, the context is the earlier rewrite of luminous, the sf story. you know it ?
1719121;1506832848;elaineo;i do not
1719122;1506832888;mircea_popescu;ah. well, article is http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ and original kindly provided by asciilifeform is http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wpf7J/?raw=true
1719123;1506832913;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717656 << that's where we argue about it.
1719124;1506832913;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 16:07 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wpf7J/?raw=true << 313333337w4r3z
1719125;1506834980;mircea_popescu;"I suppose I could pull up my Bloomberg terminal if I wanted to do some research before making an investment decision, but I feel like that’s not in the spirit of this app." << A-HA! caught you elaineo !
1719126;1506835335;mircea_popescu;https://elaineou.com/2014/12/03/amazon-the-worlds-biggest-startup/ << in historical lulz. kinda hard to believe they came up with that shit.
1719127;1506847305;jurov;mod6: fixed
1719128;1506872605;mod6;jurov: thanks!
1719129;1506872657;mod6;Thanks for posting the Treasury statement as well.
1719130;1506872688;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of TMSR~: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-October/000274.html
1719131;1506874435;diana_coman;!!key asciilifeform
1719132;1506874481;diana_coman;uhm, something wrong with deedbot re keys?
1719133;1506874719;diana_coman;trinque ^
1719134;1506874923;trinque;I'll take a look
1719135;1506874945;trinque;I had to migrate everything to a new box, possible there are things that still need a poke.
1719136;1506874985;trinque;datacenter got in my way when I was in the midst of setting up infrastructure for:
1719137;1506874987;trinque;!!balance
1719138;1506874991;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uKev3/?raw=true
1719139;1506875021;trinque;which incidentally is now out; I'll write it up shortly
1719140;1506875370;diana_coman;kk, no rush
1719141;1506875463;asciilifeform;ohai diana_coman
1719142;1506875473;trinque;site generator ran as the wrong user, barfed out empty keyfiles
1719143;1506875479;diana_coman;hi asciilifeform
1719144;1506875490;trinque;shall be remedied shortly.
1719145;1506875533;asciilifeform;diana_coman: there's a copy at http://loper-os.org/pgp.asc
1719146;1506875545;asciilifeform;diana_coman: and in your trb wot dir likewise.
1719147;1506875587;diana_coman;asciilifeform, heh, thanks; ofc I have the keys otherwise - I was just getting trb on a new box and getting the keys for it via deedbot seemed most straightforward
1719148;1506875600;diana_coman;anyways, it can wait until trinque fixes it, not a big thing
1719149;1506875654;asciilifeform;and, for completeness, of course copy at... http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7
1719150;1506875673;asciilifeform;( dulap -- believe or not -- is still up... )
1719151;1506875745;diana_coman;cool
1719152;1506876130;trinque;btw, anyone needing to run a deed today, just PM it to me. I'll be working on moving that to the new box this afternoon.
1719153;1506876838;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/27/lessons-from-hurricane-maria-and-puerto-rico/ << Bingo Blog - Lessons From Hurricane Maria And Puerto Rico
1719154;1506876838;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/27/trump-teaches-gop-senators-importance-of-selling-by-example-learns-limits-of-his-brand/ << Bingo Blog - Trump Teaches GOP Senators Importance Of Selling By Example, Learns Limits Of His Brand
1719155;1506876839;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/29/lesser-than-north-korea-joins-china-in-banning-ico-fad-ether-prices-drop-with-news/ << Bingo Blog - Lesser Than North Korea Joins China In Banning ICO Fad: Ether Prices Drop With News
1719156;1506876839;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/ << Trilema - Damele, dameleee
1719157;1506876840;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/now-you-understand-how-she-feels/ << Trilema - Now you understand how she feels.
1719158;1506876840;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/ << Trilema - The Master's Textbook - Why do girls seek you out ?
1719159;1506876886;trinque;^ for some curious reason this thing's behaving strangely dropped on a bsd
1719160;1506876970;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/29/trying-so-hard-to-be-soviet-and-failing/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Trying so hard to be Soviet, and failing.
1719161;1506880365;davout;qntra is down just because it lacks a home?
1719162;1506881202;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719139 << o hey!
1719163;1506881202;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 16:23 trinque: which incidentally is now out; I'll write it up shortly
1719164;1506881230;mod6;ya, very cool trinque
1719165;1506881320;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the titty ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/dc870678a61907d4f2b4f17250d29eb5/tumblr_nsfzwbHkVt1s2wsdzo1_400.gif
1719166;1506881363;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719150 << lulziest shit of all time.
1719167;1506881363;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 16:34 asciilifeform: ( dulap -- believe or not -- is still up... )
1719168;1506881402;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719161 << yes. so would be phuctor, but in its strange wisdom teh empire decided to donate the hosting
1719169;1506881402;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 17:52 davout: qntra is down just because it lacks a home?
1719170;1506881408;asciilifeform;now to be fair i have nfi what the billing cycle was, even
1719171;1506881452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's put it this way, i noticed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 because i was going to pay them.
1719172;1506881452;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
1719173;1506881462;asciilifeform;that was my guess
1719174;1506881503;asciilifeform;there are some pretty demented folx in fiatoladom : at one time, some years ago, asciilifeform got year+ of phree service, for no reason, from a konsoomer 'last mile' isp
1719175;1506881552;mircea_popescu;hey, i know a certain petro plant that got free gas for about 8 months.
1719176;1506881565;asciilifeform;ukrs have been getting phreeeeee gas since 2014 or wat.
1719177;1506881572;asciilifeform;so it isn't unheard of.
1719178;1506881572;mircea_popescu;matter was still being litigated a decade afterwards.
1719179;1506881625;asciilifeform;nao i'm curious - what was to litigate ? 'we sent you phreestuff for 8mo, now pay' 'buzz off' 'we sue' ?
1719180;1506881639;mircea_popescu;or to put it in its canonical form, http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/#selection-39.331-39.449
1719181;1506881645;mircea_popescu;"heavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not breach merger agreements out of inadvertence, negligence, or mistake."
1719182;1506881656;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform something like that.
1719183;1506881696;asciilifeform;nuts.
1719184;1506881714;mircea_popescu;hey, "capitalism", as understood and implemented by nitwits who can't answer questions.
1719185;1506890568;mircea_popescu;and in other "we used to be cool"s, http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/3/4/15/enhanced-buzz-14488-1299271596-9.jpg
1719186;1506890789;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I'm currently looking at eulora rsa and I'm a bit foggy (I know and followed the bits posted in the logs but it's a long trail): what is available/ready to use atm?
1719187;1506891277;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ffa arithmetic stack is theoretically available. however until i have barrett reduction going, it's a ~30 second modular exponentiation ( i.e. per rsa op )
1719188;1506891309;asciilifeform;i.e. per 4096-padding -bit payload
1719189;1506891319;asciilifeform;and a ~week -long keygen.
1719190;1506891435;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716110 << latest, iirc, thread
1719191;1506891435;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 16:25 asciilifeform: in other noose, ACHTUNG, panzers, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BAjEK/?raw=true << 27.2 sec (4096b modexp)
1719192;1506891466;mircea_popescu;not actually usable for eulora as such, is it.
1719193;1506891478;asciilifeform;certainly not as-is, no
1719194;1506891507;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is a barrettian ( theoretically 1s/4096 ) rsatron, usable ?
1719195;1506891514;asciilifeform;that's still quite slow vs. heathen rsa.
1719196;1506891547;mircea_popescu;well, players are problematic. they might download the game and wait for a few hours to get a key going. then again they might not. nobody's waiting for a week tho, i don't expect.
1719197;1506891582;asciilifeform;this is a fundamental headache, innit. 'wanna use actual rsa, or that thing you've been fraudulently introduced to as rsa, that leaks key, but runs fast'
1719198;1506891589;mircea_popescu;in any case the problem is that i'll have to design some kind of extender, can't do pure rsa throughout because of the sheer load. there's multiple messages/sec
1719199;1506891608;asciilifeform;fwiw it parallelizes.
1719200;1506891614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in any case the implementation will be isolated, so that one can swap his preferred item in.
1719201;1506891641;*;asciilifeform does not know ~anything about how eulora goes together, cannot comment in detail
1719202;1506891676;mircea_popescu;but basically, the only practical approach here is to actually import the gpg implementation, warts and all, but modularily, and see later maybe it can be swapped out.
1719203;1506891703;asciilifeform;imho using a nonfixedtime rsatron in realtime, is worse than not using any crypto at all
1719204;1506891709;asciilifeform;you will leak key.
1719205;1506891711;mircea_popescu;since the client is intended to dissolve into competing community-driven implementations anyway, i don't expect to even be involved in weighing that maybe.
1719206;1506891736;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess we'll be having this problem demonstrated in practice. what can i do ?
1719207;1506891750;asciilifeform;openssl already demonstrated quite satisfactorily.
1719208;1506891762;asciilifeform;( you can ~trivially extract most privkeys, if you spend a coupla months )
1719209;1506891762;mircea_popescu;need was correctly identified year+ in advance ; the fact work is ongoing is no solace -- something must go in, and it will go in now.
1719210;1506891786;mircea_popescu;the only item ready to go in is in fact koch's, and so he gets imported.
1719211;1506891816;asciilifeform;if hiring fortune teller - hire cheapest. but ftr i dun get how this beats not having crypto.
1719212;1506891837;mircea_popescu;at least it makes the community failure plain to the community.
1719213;1506891842;mircea_popescu;i ~tried~ to have crypto.
1719214;1506891872;mircea_popescu;what i got is what i got, and that's what the community in turn gets, and when it has a better idea -- implementation it is one comment out away.
1719215;1506891899;*;asciilifeform continues the very slow and painful walk through most of undergrad number theory that leads, possibly, to usable nonleaking rsa on pc.
1719216;1506891904;mircea_popescu;s.mg oif course assumes 0 liability to accounts lost through the process of leaking keys.
1719217;1506891940;asciilifeform;( incidentally fast ffalicious rsa on ~fpga~ is trivial. )
1719218;1506892017;mircea_popescu;yeah but how't that work, i make a line speed fpga based encrypto/decryptor and use it as a router ?
1719219;1506892035;asciilifeform;( proper rsa is 'heavier' than most folx, incl. asciilifeform of a few yrs ago, appreciated. consider, ussr never was able to afford rsa at all. )
1719220;1506892045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for instance.
1719221;1506892056;asciilifeform;or, more simply, a rs232 thing, a la fg
1719222;1506892064;asciilifeform;two arses
1719223;1506892068;mircea_popescu;this is at best a year away.
1719224;1506892079;mircea_popescu;and i don't want to bake things that've not even been tested as software.
1719225;1506892153;asciilifeform;it wouldn't be in any sense a 'build' of ffa.
1719226;1506892171;asciilifeform;rather, a standard, e.g., verilog mips, with the registers extended to 8192b.
1719227;1506892195;mircea_popescu;i suppose that might work.
1719228;1506892199;asciilifeform;but no, asciilifeform does not have one ready to run.
1719229;1506892201;mircea_popescu;at least from a theoretical pov.
1719230;1506892317;asciilifeform;how close this item is, even optimistically, depends on whether it could fit in ice40-8k.
1719231;1506892346;asciilifeform;( my current guess is that, sadly, it would not. would need a matrix of'em )
1719232;1506892416;mircea_popescu;not likely fit no.
1719233;1506892435;mircea_popescu;"matrix" ends up with what, intermatrix carry ?
1719234;1506892477;asciilifeform;ideally not, you'd have bus, adder in 1 chip, shifter in other, etc
1719235;1506892491;mircea_popescu;and bus made how ?
1719236;1506892493;asciilifeform;but this is 'bridge too far' yet.
1719237;1506892501;mircea_popescu;quite, yes.
1719238;1506892529;asciilifeform;side q : for what does eulora even need crypto ? authentication - i can see, needs. but the movements of the players are theoretically public, neh?
1719239;1506892547;diana_coman;asciilifeform, there is more info than just movements being passed between client and server
1719240;1506892564;asciilifeform;ah hm, there's a chat, isnt there.
1719241;1506892573;diana_coman;items in own inventory/storage are private for instance
1719242;1506892587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ideally chat will move to irc altogether.
1719243;1506892602;diana_coman;neah, not the chat really, though merchant works atm via cli/chat so there would be that presumably
1719244;1506892605;mircea_popescu;for the historically inclined : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 are prolly the relevant anchors for this discussion.
1719245;1506892605;a111;Logged on 2016-08-06 00:01 asciilifeform proposes to implement this subsystem for s.mg.
1719246;1506892605;a111;Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since the nsa consulting work for minigame is going to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea to have an ~ada~ tmsr crypto lib.
1719247;1506892649;mircea_popescu;year+ turns out to be ~14 months.
1719248;1506892665;asciilifeform;aha
1719249;1506892670;diana_coman;fwiw I do see where asciilifeform is coming from and esp re leaking keys but at the same time can't stall eulora on this either, so some sort of thing will have to be cobbled together at best as it can be atm
1719250;1506892693;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1719251;1506892718;mircea_popescu;and yes, rsa properly examined did turn out to be a lot more work, and a lot more stacked shit papered over in the imperial usage, than originally thought.
1719252;1506892723;asciilifeform;i won't put my signature on a leaking rsatron. but i also grasp 'go to war with the shovel you have', we're for instance still using rotten ol' gpg.
1719253;1506892730;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-september-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2017 Statement
1719254;1506892740;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, rsa like...everything else you mean,right?
1719255;1506892753;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the item is currently plaintext ; i would like to have at least the forms of correctness.
1719256;1506892755;asciilifeform;diana_coman: so, if you must : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533
1719257;1506892761;mircea_popescu;diana_coman just about.
1719258;1506892773;asciilifeform;^ asciilifeform's very painstaking 'trbfication' of koch
1719259;1506892784;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1719260;1506892799;asciilifeform;this is circa 2015
1719261;1506892810;diana_coman;asciilifeform, oh, I'll certainly read that
1719262;1506892828;asciilifeform;trims down gpg into a quite small (relatively to original, not, e.g. ffa) c lib
1719263;1506892840;mircea_popescu;does keygen encrypt decrypt ?
1719264;1506892841;asciilifeform;ditches the asmolade, various redundancies, automakeisms
1719265;1506892848;mircea_popescu;or just bignum ?
1719266;1506892873;asciilifeform;just bignum. but if you add 20ln from rsa.c (in gpg 1.4 from mircea_popescu) in, it yes encrypts/keygens/etc
1719267;1506892879;mircea_popescu;right.
1719268;1506892895;mircea_popescu;diana_coman looks like the place to drill yeah.
1719269;1506892909;asciilifeform;!#s mpi
1719270;1506892910;a111;74 results for "mpi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mpi
1719271;1506892917;asciilifeform;^ various threads re how and why asciilifeform did this
1719272;1506892952;asciilifeform;see also the linked article, for pedantic list of what was cut and why.
1719273;1506892979;asciilifeform;note that this is a traditional, kochian, leaking bignumatron.
1719274;1506892997;asciilifeform;( runs on normalized integers, ALL ops take variable time, etc )
1719275;1506893011;*;diana_coman appreciates very well that part with "astonishingly painful to properly saw off the kochball" after this past year of sawing off ps shit 
1719276;1506893060;asciilifeform;diana_coman: my mpi builds on all platforms, but on crapple requires a 1ln fix in the make
1719277;1506893068;asciilifeform;i'll dig it out, if you end up using this.
1719278;1506893096;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly needed by people trying to compile mac client. not otherwise.
1719279;1506893099;diana_coman;will let you know; in any case, crapple is not of much concern to s.mg ; players can crapple if they want to
1719280;1506893106;asciilifeform;( initially i was building for the mips cpu of the original protocardano, and hence EVERYTHING that could be thrown out --- was )
1719281;1506893140;asciilifeform;nice thing, is that it dun need libs at all
1719282;1506893152;asciilifeform;makes a static, dependencyless 'mpi.a' .
1719283;1506893158;asciilifeform;which you then link against.
1719284;1506893183;diana_coman;sounds good in this respect
1719285;1506893225;asciilifeform;you will notice that koch's rng atrocity ain't in there.
1719286;1506893235;asciilifeform;( nor anything else, it's just the arithm. routines. )
1719287;1506893275;asciilifeform;diana_coman: make sure you take the version marked 'update:'
1719288;1506893280;asciilifeform;('second cut')
1719289;1506893284;diana_coman;will do
1719290;1506893299;*;asciilifeform bbl : meat
1719291;1506899345;mircea_popescu;and for the freenode curious, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-01.log.html#t21:46:47
1719292;1506899346;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-10-01 21:46:47: <kline> sure
1719293;1506899630;*;shinohai thinks it would be kinda neat to have a eulora cloak
1719294;1506899838;mircea_popescu;a wouldja like one ?
1719295;1506900016;shinohai;Perhaps will come to pass when the app gets submitted.
1719296;1506900124;mircea_popescu;can't see why not.
1719297;1506901188;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at bubbling butt barn, http://68.media.tumblr.com/54bd9b6437ab46e8c3bcaf3860deda92/tumblr_nqmfwziN3J1r4faido1_1280.jpg
1719298;1506904905;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in phuctor lulz, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0E8509B69B30D833B7B8063E8F7B0BB9AEA36CD33C46FCA284A62A49E446BA8B << some monkey's pastiche, made of his (or some rando derp's) pub, an ostensible 'debian signing key', and asciilifeform's pub
1719299;1506905006;asciilifeform;( anybody can lift a modulus from one place, and drop it in another, so this kind of 'graffiti' is trivial )
1719300;1506905347;asciilifeform;the funniest bit is that anybody who spends a few $10k to find sha1 collision, can take it one step further and make a valid subkey for asciilifeform's, or mircea_popescu's, etc. key
1719301;1506905380;asciilifeform;which any gpg-compatible pgptron ever released, will accept as valid, its signatures - as genuine, etc.
1719302;1506907711;mircea_popescu;there's a reason there's !!key etc.
1719303;1506908067;asciilifeform;it ain't as if what comes down yer pipe from !!key , is itself signed..
1719304;1506908091;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ( dulap -- believe or not -- is still up... ) << Prolly because the haet speak on dulap doesn't look like itself to the uninitiated.
1719305;1506908177;mircea_popescu;you think ?
1719306;1506908190;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right, i'd love to see variant keys.
1719307;1506908530;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, both boxes on same hoster. One unplugged promptly, other curiously still connected despite overt raep overtures..
1719308;1506910668;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1719309;1506910669;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 487879 | Current Difficulty: 1.123863285132E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 489887 | Next Difficulty In: 2008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1719310;1506911125;BingoBoingo;In other media: Si Newhouse (Conde Nast) dead, finally
1719311;1506911165;mircea_popescu;aww
1719312;1506911444;BingoBoingo;Allegedly his brother Donald still lives for some definition of living
1719313;1506911583;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/fuckbeasts/
1719314;1506913121;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1719315;1506913130;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4370.02, vol: 7410.83687857 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4417.0, vol: 27771.91218176 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4397.0, vol: 2729.09851003 | Volume-weighted last average: 4406.37685413
1719316;1506913913;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/Birdman.txt
1719317;1506913975;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/diana_coman.txt
1719318;1506913978;lobbes;http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/hanbot.txt
1719319;1506913984;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/hanbot.txt
1719320;1506914001;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/mircea_popescu.txt
1719321;1506914051;trinque;I'm over here working on the thing
1719322;1506914056;trinque;it'll respond when I fire it back up
1719323;1506914192;deedbot;deeds online
1719324;1506914199;lobbes;worx
1719325;1506914271;lobbes;should I re-deed those or are they in the queue?
1719326;1506914287;trinque;I've got 'em, will make sure they pop out the other end.
1719327;1506914291;lobbes;kk
1719328;1506914405;lobbes;cross-logging for posterity: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-02.log.html
1719329;1506914449;deedbot;accepted: 1
1719330;1506914450;deedbot;accepted: 1
1719331;1506914451;deedbot;accepted: 1
1719332;1506914452;deedbot;accepted: 1
1719333;1506914458;lobbes;oops. wrong link: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-02.log.html#t03:16:09
1719334;1506914459;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-10-02 03:16:09: <lobbes> also to note that going forward, all BTC payments will be done through the deedbot wallet service. If someone wants to pay via that method, let me know and I'll generate the invoice
1719335;1506914477;trinque;lobbes: checked out the commands already?
1719336;1506914487;lobbes;yeah! looks spiffy
1719337;1506914525;trinque;very cool. soon as I'm done mucking around in deedbot's innards, it'll get a proper write-up. docs should be pretty self-explanatory though.
1719338;1506914537;trinque;glad ya like it. let me know how it goes.
1719339;1506914593;lobbes;excited to test it out, although 100% of my payments have been in ecu so far. Perhaps will change now though
1719340;1506915285;mircea_popescu;trinque soo, can i pay these ?
1719341;1506915477;*;BingoBoingo claps for trinque 
1719342;1506917607;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-487885.txt
1719343;1506917635;trinque;mircea_popescu: he didn't put them in the bot
1719344;1506917642;trinque;he just made deeds.
1719345;1506917643;mircea_popescu;oh
1719346;1506917660;mircea_popescu;!!help
1719347;1506917661;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1719348;1506917686;mircea_popescu;!!deposit 1 BTC
1719349;1506917691;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ibBmP/?raw=true
1719350;1506917718;trinque;units aren't needed there
1719351;1506917740;mircea_popescu;so what do i use, fractionals ?
1719352;1506917755;mircea_popescu;!!v 539218EA825EAAA0BFEC1FFC260DDDE968EDC8A3AC0F1C5F80814807907C47A0
1719353;1506917761;trinque;takes units of decimal btc
1719354;1506917789;*;trinque removes the "upcoming"
1719355;1506917790;mircea_popescu;so !!deposit 1 is 1 btc and deposit 0.01 is 1 bitcent ?
1719356;1506917797;trinque;correct
1719357;1506917812;trinque;it'll come back to you with encrypted next steps
1719358;1506917823;mircea_popescu;so far it's silent
1719359;1506917841;trinque;when given the right count of parameters
1719360;1506917868;mircea_popescu;well it should bitch rather than let me decrypt an useless pad then
1719361;1506917872;mircea_popescu;!!deposit 1
1719362;1506917875;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dYUDW/?raw=true
1719363;1506917893;trinque;hey, I got scooped by lobbes!
1719364;1506917898;mircea_popescu;ah sorry.
1719365;1506917902;mircea_popescu;should i hold off on this ?
1719366;1506917907;trinque;nah it's all there
1719367;1506917912;mircea_popescu;!!v 5173B2520A618A470B3F0874800652F8EA5F7792037EF86BC2908D2F966C4385
1719368;1506917915;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fYiyV/?raw=true
1719369;1506917940;mircea_popescu;trinque why is the two step thing needed again ?
1719370;1506917980;trinque;because the thing's otherwise open to filling up my deposit queue with junk
1719371;1506917987;trinque;for things like balance, one step
1719372;1506918005;mircea_popescu;can be used by nonvoiced ppls ?
1719373;1506918040;trinque;depending on the level of trust I put in freenode
1719374;1506918063;mircea_popescu;so what are ppl gonna do, fill your queue with junk then get negrated ? not much of a plan.
1719375;1506918081;trinque;it's a fair point; lets remove it and see what happens
1719376;1506918093;mircea_popescu;can just arbitrarily fine offenders if need be.
1719377;1506918192;mircea_popescu;recall when alf got fined like what was it, 1 btc ? for spamming the chan ?
1719378;1506918258;trinque;lol I don't, but it's a fine policy.
1719379;1506918271;mircea_popescu;way early, when it ever happened at all.
1719380;1506918285;trinque;I haven't put anything into place, but it's interesting to consider how the wot and access to wallet might interact.
1719381;1506918372;mircea_popescu;anything specific ?
1719382;1506918536;trinque;I might not be inclined to hold money for folks that have been severely negrated by enough of the lordship.
1719383;1506918546;mircea_popescu;well how would they even use it.
1719384;1506918553;mircea_popescu;gotta be able to voice neh
1719385;1506918579;trinque;isn't locked to this channel at the moment.
1719386;1506918585;trinque;but doing so'd do exactly that
1719387;1506918593;mircea_popescu;might as well.
1719388;1506918794;trinque;mircea_popescu: another thing to note is you asked to be able to pay arbitrary addresses. can do, but I much prefer that be done with !!withdraw rather than !!pay. otherwise I'm stuck worrying about whether some person registers an address as nick.
1719389;1506918822;trinque;I don't like writing functions that try to figure out what kind of inputs they were handed. (and I write lisp, even)
1719390;1506918872;mircea_popescu;im not understanding something here
1719391;1506918906;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705403
1719392;1506918906;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 20:04 mircea_popescu: !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1
1719393;1506918914;mircea_popescu;so basically, you want !!withdraw to pay to a bitcxoin addredss and !!pay to pay to a nick ?
1719394;1506918933;trinque;yep
1719395;1506918941;mircea_popescu;this makes perfect sense.
1719396;1506919964;mircea_popescu;trinque what happens if i send the payment twice ?
1719397;1506920111;trinque;in the longstanding tradition of republican payments, deedbot thanks you for your donation. or put more kindly, I don't want to keep a list of names and people's addresses; deposit amounts are meant to identify a person only at a point in time.
1719398;1506920153;mircea_popescu;and how long does an address last ?
1719399;1506920203;trinque;there's only a single address, and the generated deposit amount is what links any inbound transactions to their account.
1719400;1506920220;mircea_popescu;how long does the link last ?
1719401;1506920450;trinque;hadn't decided yet, but I'm fine with it being quite long. ideally the deposit_request table doesn't fill up with bunk requests.
1719402;1506920473;mircea_popescu;is there collision protection ? or can the same 4 digits show up twice ?
1719403;1506920502;trinque;the same 4 digits will only show up again if a previous deposit for that amount has been completed
1719404;1506920507;mircea_popescu;cool.
1719405;1506920524;mircea_popescu;so basically, as long as you're not getting in excess of 10k calls per however long they expire, you don't really have a problem.
1719406;1506920534;trinque;exactly, shouldn't be a reason to delete at all
1719407;1506920543;mircea_popescu;make it a day then ? 24h ?
1719408;1506920568;trinque;can certainly say at least 24hrs; I was willing to say "at least a month"
1719409;1506920583;mircea_popescu;so make it a week, should cover all insane scenarios.
1719410;1506920597;trinque;k
1719411;1506920597;*;mircea_popescu will still use it as a "it's good for a day-ish", which imo is reasonable.
1719412;1506920611;mircea_popescu;day soft week hard boundry, should work fine
1719413;1506921555;trinque;I'm headed to bed, will respond to any other feedback in the AM.
1719414;1506921594;mircea_popescu;kk
1719415;1506921602;trinque;gnite
1719416;1506921721;deedbot;deeds online
1719417;1506922162;mircea_popescu;and in other utter lulz, https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/pivot-to-video.php
1719418;1506924545;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1719419;1506924548;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HnAgr/?raw=true
1719420;1506940942;BingoBoingo;50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
1719421;1506940986;BingoBoingo;Or was apprehended on floor 32
1719422;1506941093;BingoBoingo;LVPD is apparently seeking a petite, aged azn female as suspected accomplice
1719423;1506942997;diana_coman;Framedragger, did you ever publish somewhere re the customs fee you had to pay for your fg(s)?
1719424;1506950477;shinohai;http://archive.is/eZTlZ  mircea_popescu, danielpbarron, still free to compete.
1719425;1506955073;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1719426;1506955078;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6c7wf/?raw=true
1719427;1506955383;mircea_popescu;!!up asciilifeform
1719428;1506955384;deedbot;asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
1719429;1506955387;mircea_popescu;!!up asciilifeform_
1719430;1506955387;deedbot;asciilifeform_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1719431;1506955427;mircea_popescu;diana_coman indeed he did, but beyond http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638767 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029
1719432;1506955427;a111;Logged on 2017-04-06 11:42 Framedragger: rehosted here: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-1.jpg && http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-2.jpg
1719433;1506955427;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
1719434;1506955661;diana_coman;ah, I was thinking more post/blog style I guess; anyways, I'll link to log then I suppose
1719435;1506955686;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719420 << a new hero, huh.
1719436;1506955686;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
1719437;1506955796;mircea_popescu;the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736
1719438;1506955796;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 19:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713729 << this is not even a correct statement. more properly "i will desist killing all my offspring before gestation completes if and only if my sovereign right to kill them at any time is socially recognized".
1719439;1506955815;mircea_popescu;diana_coman for some reason he's insanely reluctant to blog. nfi.
1719440;1506955963;diana_coman;anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/
1719441;1506955963;a111;Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
1719442;1506956186;asciilifeform;RIP dulap.
1719443;1506956230;mircea_popescu;a it went ?
1719444;1506956253;asciilifeform;aha. we complained, they listened!111!
1719445;1506956328;mircea_popescu;it was getting ridoinculous.
1719446;1506956596;asciilifeform;lulzily, asciilifeform spent ~whole weekend dealing with ~exactly same picture re a box in the saeculum.
1719447;1506956665;mircea_popescu;there's not very much else LEFT is the point. should actual people take up the above http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719437 and should they complete a few hundred million executions, we'd discover that... we can't even fucking tell.
1719448;1506956665;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 14:49 mircea_popescu: the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736
1719449;1506956673;mircea_popescu;none of these schmucks actually do anything with their time.
1719450;1506956807;mircea_popescu;shinohai that's ok, i'd rather grow an amateur beard.
1719451;1506956988;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and besides, i'll bet you bitcoin to donuts they DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND  THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG.
1719452;1506957041;mircea_popescu;i don't mean, the complete list, from "don't route my emails through fucking atlanta so they can be arrested in rem, imbecile, especially not if you advertise nationalist lithuania or w/e the fuck, scammer" to "don't give away my harddrives to schmucks, what the fuck is wrong with you".
1719453;1506957055;mircea_popescu;as far as idiot mind is concerned, they "tried" and "went above and beyond" but "sadly".
1719454;1506957188;*;mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high.
1719455;1506957211;mircea_popescu;phraseology she no doubt picked off some "conference" or whatever they call the corporation-organized "social life" for the drones. and she actually believed this.
1719456;1506957239;mircea_popescu;they actually think themselves human, for reasons that've nothing to do with anything above and beyond a waxed cylinder reproducing human speech.
1719457;1506957336;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, presumably want to know how high in order to write it down on the to-do list or some such; it's a world of words, what else is there anyway other than words
1719458;1506957361;mircea_popescu;maybe. i don't think it was anything deeper than just the response, tbh.
1719459;1506957377;mircea_popescu;world of words, yes, but not even articulated words. most things are one-pass.
1719460;1506957407;diana_coman;exactly, push this button get that response and if you want another response, tweak a bit and there it goes out
1719461;1506957433;mircea_popescu;the other as a single-pass state machine, "if he says X then he's in state 1 you say Y, if he says Q you say Z, ... , if he says T you say G and that's the whole list of interaction".
1719462;1506957498;mircea_popescu;"how's it going" "great" ; "here's that X" "thank you" and a few others. maybe a dozen ? maybe three dozen for you know, super-duper VIP CTO CEO etc. that's the whole model.
1719463;1506957501;diana_coman;quite; and what do you mean to say P when he said T!!! that is not fair and so on
1719464;1506957547;mircea_popescu;two pass responsens such as "how's it going" -?-> "great" end ; -?-> !"great" "just $x ? not great ?" is already SO FUCKUING CREATIVE OMG it belongs in like the movies.
1719465;1506957553;mircea_popescu;i think rockstars talk like that.
1719466;1506957577;diana_coman;lol
1719467;1506957591;mircea_popescu;somehow people could watch fargo and not call the national guard to salt the fucking place where it stood.
1719468;1506957599;*;mircea_popescu still can't grok how that works.
1719469;1506958376;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in a basement somewhere, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e4963cf0b439c0762e6833b68c3a3595/tumblr_ns8c6euMmv1t5vf0wo1_1280.jpg
1719470;1506958764;cruciform;I've been reading the logs, and my head hurts
1719471;1506958786;cruciform;at least retards are spared - one assumes - the realisation that they're retarded
1719472;1506958823;mircea_popescu;sometimes i guess.
1719473;1506958883;cruciform;about 2 months in so far -6m is a hefty requirement!
1719474;1506958896;diana_coman;cruciform, head hurting though can be same as "muscle hurts" - simply an indication it's ...working and growing
1719475;1506958909;mircea_popescu;or that you had too much fun.
1719476;1506958924;cruciform;mircea_popescu: definitely having fun!
1719477;1506958926;diana_coman;are those different?
1719478;1506958929;mircea_popescu;lol
1719479;1506959212;mod6;<+cruciform> about 2 months in so far -6m is a hefty requirement! << nice, keep at it!
1719480;1506959239;mircea_popescu;cruciform see also http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/#comment-118639 http://trilema.com/2013/regarding-money/#comment-122988 etc
1719481;1506959289;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719454 << iirc the original americanism was 'shit ? tellme what colour'
1719482;1506959289;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 15:13 mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high.
1719483;1506959339;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i heard it originally in the hotel trade, "if guest calls desk at 3am to ask for a cucumber, the only acceptable question is how large"
1719484;1506959346;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719440 << holyshit where didja get asciilifeform's deck of cards! diana_coman ?11
1719485;1506959346;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 14:52 diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/
1719486;1506959386;mircea_popescu;i suspect yours is ulterior militarism
1719487;1506959409;asciilifeform;lollterior, with them pikes an' swords
1719488;1506959421;diana_coman;asciilifeform, didn't know it was yours, man! lolz, lemme dig...
1719489;1506959434;asciilifeform;diana_coman: pretty sure i have that same ace at least.
1719490;1506959448;asciilifeform;same, i suspect, era, suggested also by the degree of yellow
1719491;1506959493;asciilifeform;and yeah i did assume that diana_coman read the Framedragger l0gz, knew that the british brazenly molest and kidnap parcels
1719492;1506959513;asciilifeform;if it ain't a seekrit, diana_coman , how didja end up in britanistan ?
1719493;1506959540;diana_coman;asciilifeform, got the "ultimate deck" from the US indeed, in...wholly time, 2013!! http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2013/03/10/notite-disparate-despre-nimic-anume/
1719494;1506959565;asciilifeform;lol!
1719495;1506959581;asciilifeform;i had nfi that they made faux-su dex there.
1719496;1506959591;asciilifeform;brain-melting.
1719497;1506959602;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I did know of Framedragger's experience yes; similarly I have my own experience of Ro post brazenly not only kidnapping packages as in...entirely, vanished etc
1719498;1506959635;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the 1 time i sent a ( precursor to fg ) to ro, it took... what, 6 wks ? and ~0 of the original wrapping remained iirc
1719499;1506959640;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu might recall details )
1719500;1506959641;mircea_popescu;eh, su is no better. in recent memory they stole camera, resealed package, sent it along.
1719501;1506959651;mircea_popescu;and by su i mean, of course, us.
1719502;1506959675;asciilifeform;how to even tell where on the route, stole.
1719503;1506959686;asciilifeform;could be in one zimbabwestan, could be in other.
1719504;1506959687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well they resealed with their own tape.
1719505;1506959699;mircea_popescu;and the usps paid for the insurance, too.
1719506;1506959707;mircea_popescu;girls were mindblown, "why the fuck would anyone do this".
1719507;1506959719;mircea_popescu;the answer, however, is obvious -- random convict couldn't, literally, give less of a shit.
1719508;1506959725;diana_coman;asciilifeform, re britanistan I'm still searching for the essence of my deep problem that keeps me here; but historically it comes after having enough of Italy after having enough of France after having enough (more than enough!!!) of Ro
1719509;1506959746;diana_coman;so dunno, having so many enoughs and eating them, might be I got fat
1719510;1506959747;mircea_popescu;"oh it will be discovered". what the fuck does he care ? by the time it's discovered he's either dead, inside anyway for "drug bust" or otherwise, you know, MADE IT IN THIS GAME
1719511;1506959751;asciilifeform;one time, in 2000s, asciilifeform bought a mk61 classic sov calculator from a d00d in ru. came in, noshit, old-school wooden crate, everything intact, manuals, etc. BUT the power brick -- snippycutted off.
1719512;1506959767;asciilifeform;who would steal a 30 y.o. 220v brick -- to this day i have nfi.
1719513;1506959775;mircea_popescu;selfsame dood above.
1719514;1506959785;mircea_popescu;he thought it pattern matches something fence might have taken once.
1719515;1506959799;asciilifeform;gotta be.
1719516;1506959833;mircea_popescu;this is the constant lulz, asking "what was he thinking". what the fuck, if he were thinking he'd be working at the post office ?
1719517;1506959867;asciilifeform;diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan...
1719518;1506959889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's ok, i dunno who else could be paid enough to live in the swamp.
1719519;1506959898;asciilifeform;hey at least i dun gotta pay vat!111
1719520;1506959914;asciilifeform;not 1 time had any problem getting mail from whatveristan.
1719521;1506959915;mircea_popescu;and yet strangely the us collects as much tax as the uk.
1719522;1506959928;trinque;got state income tax in maryland too!
1719523;1506959929;asciilifeform;at least. but at least not at postoffice!11
1719524;1506959933;trinque;neener!
1719525;1506959934;diana_coman;asciilifeform, re "why would he do that" - I don't think there is a why; what to do with it comes afterwards anyway
1719526;1506959935;mircea_popescu;oh i see.
1719527;1506959938;asciilifeform;trinque: massive tax
1719528;1506960046;diana_coman;asciilifeform, part of trouble is that atm on such coordinates it's unclear if moon is far enough as it is
1719529;1506960053;mircea_popescu;diana_coman amusingly, it increased ? yours was 19.42, Framedragger 's was 18.6 if memory serves ?
1719530;1506960064;mircea_popescu;does the queen's own asshole dilate with inflation in those lands too ?
1719531;1506960068;diana_coman;it seems that his was lower but it's unclear why really
1719532;1506960126;asciilifeform;holyfuq that's > the postage
1719533;1506960177;diana_coman;it's fixed amount asciilifeform ; and a third of it is for "post service" weirdly enough
1719534;1506960205;asciilifeform;nuts.
1719535;1506960207;mircea_popescu;in related news, i turned off a horrifying bad piece of british propaganda yest, "the hill" with sean connery.
1719536;1506960211;asciilifeform;british are famous for this kind of thing for 300yrs, neh, this is as much a surprise as the dozen+ mosquito bites on asciilifeform's leg
1719537;1506960220;diana_coman;more than a third even
1719538;1506960228;mircea_popescu;the idea there is that people in a north africa military prison give so much of a shit about the crown & all they actually do what told!
1719539;1506960259;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'post service' i suppose is 'the fine service of searching through packages an' pilfering'
1719540;1506960294;diana_coman;asciilifeform, quite; you don't get to pay that if package doesn't attract customs fee
1719541;1506960299;lobbes;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00100800
1719542;1506960303;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gmaQc/?raw=true
1719543;1506960314;diana_coman;I got plenty of packages otherwise and never had to pay such a thing
1719544;1506960336;lobbes;Damn. Alright I'ma create invoice tonight once I'm near my signing key, mircea_popescu
1719545;1506960336;diana_coman;admittedly, not much (if any, hmm) from the USA
1719546;1506960368;asciilifeform;lol, what other than fg might you even want sent from there.
1719547;1506960411;diana_coman;come to think of it: the deck of cards! lol
1719548;1506960414;*;asciilifeform looks at his desk, and finds, other than FGs, 1 and only 1 object made in usa -- the ibm keyboard, circa 1982
1719549;1506960428;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/poO3G/?raw=true << the item. because FUCKING TOTALLY, if i'm running whores in cairo i'm gonna be so totally impressed with some two bit sargent major he's not only not getting shot, but ima do what he says! guess who's changing who here!!11
1719550;1506960431;mircea_popescu;and so on etcetera.
1719551;1506960587;diana_coman;asciilifeform> diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan... <-- on one hand most non-brits here (and yeah, it's an area with some 25%+ non-brits) anyway are a positive thing overall; on the other hand there is this (been repeatedly told) very British dream of retiring (with good
1719552;1506960588;diana_coman; money obv!) in a poor country and watching the sun setting just as the local economy sets too - it sounds as if they managed the setting part right at home
1719553;1506960606;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is it british lol.
1719554;1506960610;mircea_popescu;it's florentine is what it is.
1719555;1506960616;mircea_popescu;and before that is what legionnaire did.
1719556;1506960636;asciilifeform;seems like brits have the worst of 2 worlds -- 1stworld prices, 3rdworld realestate
1719557;1506960649;diana_coman;must be the legionnaire florentine brits-only ; but yes, makes sense
1719558;1506960657;mircea_popescu;consider though : 100% of classical theatre is "old guy retiring (with good money obv!) with either young wife being a whore or else hot daughter being a slut".
1719559;1506960724;mircea_popescu;the barber of seville, the merchant of venice, the taming of the shrew, all, all "mistaken identity" / commedia dell'arte consists of this and nothing else but this : "here's how life reclaims the money bags"
1719560;1506960749;diana_coman;oh, classical theatre made me think of...antigona and I was racking my brains
1719561;1506960767;mircea_popescu;that's antique! classical theatre is this 1500 florentine thing.
1719562;1506960785;*;asciilifeform also thinks 'grecoroman' when hears 'classical'
1719563;1506960790;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the legionnaire's dream is the one most enduring roman contribution to modern world.
1719564;1506960863;mircea_popescu;"take the solidus, go somewhere where q. robur grows and the tits are fistfilling, settle down and relax already."
1719565;1506961350;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719420 << btw complete with the Magically Evaporating Multiple Shooters
1719566;1506961350;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
1719567;1506961502;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719544 << might consider linking http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt in the memo field of your invoice
1719568;1506961502;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 16:05 lobbes: Damn. Alright I'ma create invoice tonight once I'm near my signing key, mircea_popescu
1719569;1506961563;mircea_popescu;now lessee here.
1719570;1506961580;mircea_popescu;!!received-invoices
1719571;1506961583;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mzQJ9/?raw=true
1719572;1506961613;mircea_popescu;oh he didn't send anything yet ?
1719573;1506961617;trinque;nah, not yet
1719574;1506961622;mircea_popescu;kk
1719575;1506961625;trinque;but that's where it'll end up
1719576;1506961655;mircea_popescu;worx
1719577;1506962389;asciilifeform;https://i.imgur.com/KNx6u8Q.jpg << geography of p0stal
1719578;1506962399;asciilifeform;coupla 100 metres.
1719579;1506962517;mircea_popescu;wait, he shot from the hotel into the parking lot as it were ?
1719580;1506962523;asciilifeform;allegedly.
1719581;1506962536;mircea_popescu;vietnam vet ?
1719582;1506962608;asciilifeform;according to beobachter, one 'Stephen Paddock... ...64, was found dead in his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas when a police SWAT team broke down the door. Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said authorities believe Paddock killed himself.... Paddock had a private pilot's license and the FAA is gathering his records, according to FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown. So far, authorities have found no military rec
1719583;1506962608;asciilifeform;ords for Stephen Paddock.'
1719584;1506962615;mircea_popescu;"Hey, I would have bought it HERE if it EXISTED, you know? It sucks to have to import cool stuff from half way around the world, yes, but how does it follow then that one also has to *pay locals* for their failing to have the cool stuff locally?" << this is a rather important point.
1719585;1506962650;asciilifeform;'Law enforcement has no "derogatory information" about Paddock, besides the fact that he received a citation several years ago that was handled in the court system, Lombardo said.'
1719586;1506962662;mircea_popescu;lmao what.
1719587;1506962713;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in one of those rare examples of youth not being wasted on the young, http://68.media.tumblr.com/eaa45c186f01e7a30c279a9234dff8a7/tumblr_nr3hc7TyS01r87thuo1_500.gif
1719588;1506962730;asciilifeform;i.e. scapegoat, picked from intel's list of old men nobody will esp. notice; meanwhile maidan sniper squad culled the culls
1719589;1506962750;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1719590;1506962791;asciilifeform;i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story
1719591;1506963176;mircea_popescu;well what is this, conspiracism for conspiracism's sake ?
1719592;1506963208;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine who could possibly be arsed to eat the cost of culling the worthless millenials. that an old man undertakes it is very much in the vein of what old age is all about.
1719593;1506963221;asciilifeform;it's a reichstag, wat
1719594;1506963222;mircea_popescu;big daddy pollitt similarily attempts to help brick.
1719595;1506963230;asciilifeform;pretty obvious cui bono.
1719596;1506963262;mircea_popescu;what, is your construction here that las vegas hospitals and funeral parlors have revived the ancient frontier practice of paying drunks to create work for them ?
1719597;1506963296;asciilifeform;not 'funeral parlours', unless it is simply mircea_popescu likes playing deliberately thick. dhs et al.
1719598;1506963323;mircea_popescu;ie, drumming up support for the war on terror etc ?
1719599;1506963328;asciilifeform;aha
1719600;1506963331;asciilifeform;and also from where didja get the notion that 'culled millenials' ?
1719601;1506963347;mircea_popescu;well who the fuck goes to an open air concert, besides mobile poor people.
1719602;1506963357;asciilifeform;looks like it was workingclass, BingoBoingoish set
1719603;1506963361;asciilifeform;'country'
1719604;1506963393;mircea_popescu;i don't think this segmentation carries any water. it's not "workingclass or officeclass". it's not country or pop or rap or anything else. it's born before 1990 or not.
1719605;1506963411;mircea_popescu;if yes, there's no office and there's no work and there's no anything else. there's strictly the ipad and hopefully lead.
1719606;1506963438;asciilifeform;i'ma defer to the culturally clued folx ( BingoBoingo , trinque , ben_vulpes ) re who likely was in the culling field.
1719607;1506963495;asciilifeform;the police photos dun offer a clear answer re 'post-1990 or not', imho
1719608;1506963530;mircea_popescu;o wow, google took wikipedia off it's "Special box".
1719609;1506963535;mircea_popescu;it's the end of the spamsite innit.
1719610;1506963542;asciilifeform;waiwat nowai
1719611;1506963603;mircea_popescu;google jason aldean. there's his personal site, searches for spouse and his lulzy kids preloaded, songs (on youtube, fo course) linked.
1719612;1506963612;mircea_popescu;INSTAGRAM profile before facebook, and no wikipedia.
1719613;1506963628;mircea_popescu;twitter-myspace tail to add insult to injury.
1719614;1506963642;asciilifeform;lol google front already has the oblig sadface
1719615;1506963649;asciilifeform;'our hearts...' etc
1719616;1506963711;asciilifeform;'The 2 time ACM Entertainer of the Year Award winner has sold 15 million albums and has 17 #1 songs! “With all the albums we’ve done, we’ve always taken our own path and not thought about what everyone else is doing,” says Jason Aldean.'
1719617;1506963727;asciilifeform;ftr i had nfi he existed. ( but this is not saying much )
1719618;1506963729;mircea_popescu;On September 30, 2012, Aldean admitted to having "acted inappropriately at a bar",while former American Idol contestant Brittany Kerr, responding to reports linking her and Aldean, said in a statement she had suffered "a lapse in judgment" and "would like to sincerely apologize to everyone that has been affected by this"
1719619;1506963751;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is going to be affected by a naked slut in a bar getting fucked or w/e they did
1719620;1506963994;asciilifeform;apparently pro-trump d00d
1719621;1506964000;asciilifeform;( aldean )
1719622;1506965046;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: in my backwards-ass neck of the woods, it's practically a family affair: http://www.portlandmercury.com/feature/2017/09/27/19346945/song-of-the-red-states
1719623;1506965110;ben_vulpes;vegas is hard to pin down demographically, as it's just the projection of a particular multidimensional entertainment megacorp through our plane, so you're just as likely to run into tourists not even from this plane as you are say dentists from las cruces or 'hft guyz' from nyc
1719624;1506965196;mircea_popescu;"But the Bi-Mart Willamette Country Music Festival—or BMWCMF as it will be henceforth referred to—clearly does not care about positive PR. In that way, the BMWCMF is unlike any music festival I’ve ever been to. It also perfectly embodies Oregon as it exists outside of Portland: rural, rugged, and rude. Attempting to acquire a media pass feels more like haggling with a stranger on Craigslist." << jews' first little step
1719625;1506965196;mircea_popescu;on the lengthy long road to discovering that no, nobody wants zher here there or absolutely anywhere.
1719626;1506965204;mircea_popescu;and nobody cares how the whine about it goes, either.
1719627;1506965305;ben_vulpes;uite
1719628;1506965309;ben_vulpes;quite*
1719629;1506965315;mircea_popescu;"positive pr" indeed, what, from the likes of Caleb Crain and his "husband" Peter Terzian ? noty.
1719630;1506965390;asciilifeform;whossat
1719631;1506965491;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ < random nobodies with a mention on trilema
1719632;1506965508;asciilifeform;aaaa
1719633;1506966224;mircea_popescu;and in other wetware spun content lulz, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4935506/Feds-nab-one-dark-web-s-largest-drug-dealers.html
1719634;1506966250;asciilifeform;lol rasputin
1719635;1506968414;mircea_popescu;and in other "the consumer is still using the computer as a screensaver" lulz, https://thecryptochat.net/
1719636;1506968431;mircea_popescu;here's a great idea : the best way to "Screensave" is by NOT FUCKING BUYING ONE.
1719637;1506968437;mircea_popescu;if it's not for you, why importune the world.
1719638;1506968522;asciilifeform;incidentally i fully expect that screensavers ( in the 1990s sense of the word ) will soon come back : crapple et al finally went to oled ( luminophor-based display, sorta like flat crt but with even faster burn in, mtbf ~2years )
1719639;1506968582;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719440 - interestingly enough re uk vat for us "imports" I got passed on this snippet, apparently published in the spectator too: "I recently ordered a pair of wire strippers from the USA at a cost of £14.07. Two weeks later I received a demand for £3.90 duty and VAT, plus a Royal Mail 'handling fee' of £8. The latter struck me as an awful lot of handling for a small tool. Thank you, Royal
1719640;1506968582;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 14:52 diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/
1719641;1506968582;diana_coman;Mail, but no. You may now enjoy handling the item all the way back to America, at your own cost."
1719642;1506968623;mircea_popescu;diana_coman it'd matter a lot more if the actual handling cost weren't ~100 ECu or so per package.
1719643;1506968660;asciilifeform;the penalty for not buying chinese liquishit, via the approved import channels, is strict.
1719644;1506968680;mircea_popescu;rather, the penalty for breaking chinese liquidshit marketing areas.
1719645;1506968682;diana_coman;asciilifeform, fwiw re deck of cards the way I found that fake one was basically through a Russian who saw&bought it because it reminded HIM of the original deck of cards of his grandfather who was of the type self-exiled to France
1719646;1506968687;mircea_popescu;where do you suppose those ended up ion the us from.
1719647;1506968763;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the anglos, fwiw, have what i suspect is the world's ugliest standardized (and it is astonishingly standardized) deck of cards. iirc ~unchanged from shakespeare's time
1719648;1506968783;mircea_popescu;this is for good reason.
1719649;1506968800;diana_coman;hm, now that you mention it I realise I do not have even one single anglo-deck of cards actually in the house, lol
1719650;1506968801;mircea_popescu;beauty, always hieroglyphic, distracts from alphabetic use of signifying tools.
1719651;1506968802;asciilifeform;but yes on second glance i could tell that diana_coman's ace was english -- letter A is megaclue
1719652;1506968817;asciilifeform;i dun have anglodeck either.
1719653;1506968830;*;mircea_popescu can't stand non-standard decks for eg bridge. if you wanna gawk, have the partner topless.
1719654;1506968837;asciilifeform;miserable plastic things, too
1719655;1506968847;asciilifeform;afaik nobody makes paper cards in heathendom , not for half century
1719656;1506968888;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, eh, there is that re playing
1719657;1506969000;mircea_popescu;(topless girl bridge tournament is great because of the old lady player problem. which is, there's this subclass of player, often looking like dame olivier, who are VERY fucking tight players. this is great for them, as they usually win or at least place well, but terrible for the game, as it becomes dry.)
1719658;1506969052;mircea_popescu;i want my #2 spot to be because i bid 6NT and made it on that obvioud 4h hand ; not because i always did 3s instead of 2s and shaved 10 points each time that way.
1719659;1506969054;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ah, if you meant latin letters then I guess most of mine are "anglo" in this sense, yes; prolly just 2 or so actually Russian
1719660;1506969097;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i meant that it was visibly a modern deck, vs vintage su
1719661;1506969108;diana_coman;indeed
1719662;1506969799;ben_vulpes;in other brazen disregardz: https://www.fastcasual.com/news/eeoc-sues-whataburger-over-directive-to-hire-only-white-applicants/
1719663;1506969955;trinque;uh, I can show anyone to a number of whataburgers that are black as hell
1719664;1506970082;mircea_popescu;and in other bwahahahas,
1719665;1506970092;mircea_popescu;!~later tell elaineo wtf is http://sandhill.exchange/being-in-debt-understanding-your-situation/ lol
1719666;1506970092;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1719667;1506970167;ben_vulpes;trinque: you figure fabrication on the part of the fired mgr?
1719668;1506970198;trinque;I struggle to remember the last time I saw a white person behind the counter at waterburger
1719669;1506970273;ben_vulpes;i have nfi in re the skin tone makeup of tallahasse
1719670;1506970306;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what's elaino's connection to that thing?
1719671;1506970347;mircea_popescu;since you ask, https://elaineou.com/2014/10/16/93-male/
1719672;1506970393;ben_vulpes;aaah
1719673;1506970554;trinque;Silicon Valley sexism << baww
1719674;1506970585;trinque;where's that fall on the grab-'em-by-the-pussy continuum?
1719675;1506970622;mircea_popescu;cuntinuum you mean ?
1719676;1506970678;trinque;lol
1719677;1506970798;mircea_popescu;and re sv sexism, from the same source : https://elaineou.com/2014/10/07/100-percent-women/
1719678;1506970841;*;mircea_popescu absolutely doubts wanna-be in the "spam fake acounts" game known as "online dating" actually contains anything but borroed pictures spit-jointed to bad prose written by a (male) grad student somewhere.
1719679;1506970859;mircea_popescu;but then again this is i guess not directly obvious to the aspirational female.
1719680;1506970964;mircea_popescu;the open question, of course, is whether associating with the actually rich, with the flauntingly rich, with the actually poor or with the pretend poor (such as you know, us pantsuit) is the better approach to not-staying-poor.
1719681;1506971253;*;asciilifeform misread : 'flatulently rich'
1719682;1506971258;mircea_popescu;lol
1719683;1506971338;mircea_popescu;it's very problematic, all this. consider the (correctly labeled!) illustration of branson : https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/denni-parkinson-nude-richard-branson-island-2050764615.jpg
1719684;1506971343;mircea_popescu;superficially, the dude is doing it right.
1719685;1506971376;mircea_popescu;sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing)
1719686;1506971414;mircea_popescu;and self-same boyfriend proposed that prop #1 (his gf, with the tits) sit so and so with prop #2 (his client, with the gray hair) so HIS picture comes out good. which it did.
1719687;1506971421;mircea_popescu;except the photog is not rich. well, not monetarily, anyway.
1719688;1506971600;mircea_popescu;moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like
1719689;1506971620;mircea_popescu;eh wtf's his name, the one who sold some sports entertaining thing to yahoo and has been posturing as "entrepreneur" ever since.
1719690;1506971675;trinque;mark cuban?
1719691;1506971845;mircea_popescu;ty!
1719692;1506971871;mircea_popescu;moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/
1719693;1506971891;mircea_popescu;his contribution to this world is "it's easy to make a small fortune in whatever -- start with a big one".
1719694;1506971901;mircea_popescu;plenty of these all around.
1719695;1506971907;asciilifeform;meanwhile.... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716028 >> we have (1) >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kBS9G/?raw=true << 16sec on standardtestbox
1719696;1506971907;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 02:01 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that 1) knuthian division can be sped up by ANOTHER factor of 2, by walking the bits of the quotient instead of shifting'em   2) barrett reduction in constant time is almost certainly possible
1719697;1506971923;mircea_popescu;so now. what impact does any of this have on ... on who exactly ? denni dun wanna be rich, she wants to have fun.
1719698;1506971926;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story << I am surprised official story is not about the inequality of heights which provided a priviledged vantage point for shooter
1719699;1506971963;asciilifeform;grr, wrong link, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715696
1719700;1506971963;a111;Logged on 2017-09-18 23:54 asciilifeform: is the 'obvious 2x speedup' alluded to earlier.
1719701;1506971999;mircea_popescu;stephane gautronneau doesn't wanna be rich, he just wants to hang out with denni, except impersonally.
1719702;1506972017;mircea_popescu;branson himself doesn't wanna be rich, as proven by the fact that whenever he almost gets rich, he blows it away.
1719703;1506972021;mircea_popescu;so... i guess i'm confused.
1719704;1506972043;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i don't think this segmentation carries any water. it's not "workingclass or officeclass". it's not country or pop or rap or anything else. it's born before 1990 or not. << Jason Aldean is a "new country" act. Quarantined from both Country and other post-1990.
1719705;1506972054;asciilifeform;grr comments typo, fixed, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cicCN/?raw=true
1719706;1506972057;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no i know, hence my comments.
1719707;1506972088;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ftr i had nfi he existed. ( but this is not saying much ) << AHA, Cultural quarantine
1719708;1506972162;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> apparently pro-trump d00d << And why quarantined. "us vs them" is great marketing
1719709;1506972164;asciilifeform;currently puzzled re why a 25% shave in knuthtron iterations, gives 50% shave of runtime
1719710;1506972285;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VtdrU/?raw=true << previous ver., for comparison.
1719711;1506972304;trinque;is the whole ffa posted anywhere?
1719712;1506972338;asciilifeform;trinque: a couplea versions ago, i made a tarball for mod6 , mircea_popescu , et al, that demoed 'factorial'
1719713;1506972343;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJ8uPRqFf0 << for completeness.
1719714;1506972366;asciilifeform;trinque: should be in the l0gz somewhere
1719715;1506972375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a terrible answer.
1719716;1506972397;asciilifeform;i'ma make a new one, 1m
1719717;1506972547;mircea_popescu;o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view ; leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces.
1719718;1506972550;mircea_popescu;such wow.
1719719;1506972602;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA, anyways. My suspicion is that this attack is along the lines of the Belleville terrorist who shot Congressional baseball practice claiming he was going to fix the tax brackets. Dude prolly was a pantsuit fan and figured anyone who'd go to "new country" festival is trump voter.
1719720;1506972624;mircea_popescu;devil himself knows not the mind of man.
1719721;1506972633;asciilifeform;trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads ; http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb
1719722;1506972643;asciilifeform;( likewise unofficial )
1719723;1506972643;trinque;ah thanks
1719724;1506972652;asciilifeform;note that bitnesses MUST be powers of 2
1719725;1506972665;asciilifeform;( the karatsubatron now demands it )
1719726;1506972688;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view ; leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces. << Meyer was paid bonus to fuck off and disappear
1719727;1506972700;mircea_popescu;myea
1719728;1506972715;asciilifeform;note also that the calling style from early versions will not work, there is no longer a .Z , FZ is not a struct any moar, it is just a word array
1719729;1506972723;mircea_popescu;which is i suppose the moral little girls learn out of watchingt the trade press : your future is as a whore ; will be paid TO LEAVE.
1719730;1506972748;BingoBoingo;And Cuban is in unfortunate position of having to keep his fortune by running his bouncy ball team as a business, while everyone else runs theirs as a hobby
1719731;1506972781;trinque;asciilifeform: I'll give it a crank on the ppc iron I have laying around; I think you requested that at some point
1719732;1506972791;asciilifeform;i did!
1719733;1506972793;asciilifeform;neato trinque
1719734;1506972839;asciilifeform;the main routine of interest is FZ_Mod_Exp .
1719735;1506972843;asciilifeform;( aka rsa op )
1719736;1506972874;asciilifeform;every other thing in there, is subservient to it.
1719737;1506972979;asciilifeform;trinque: i left the prev. iteration of FZ_Mod in there, commented out. the current one is there.
1719738;1506972999;asciilifeform;mod6, diana_coman , whoever else was tuned in for ffa ^^^ latest .
1719739;1506973199;diana_coman;asciilifeform, thank you!
1719740;1506973310;asciilifeform;i don't know whether it will make sense to keep this version of knuthdivider, after we have barrett ( where there is still 1 division, but now it is ONE per modexp, and not 8192  of'em ! )
1719741;1506973324;asciilifeform;because it IS more complex and harder to read, than the old.
1719742;1506973353;asciilifeform;but i put it here to show that it is possible to cut another 2x time without barrett.
1719743;1506973427;diana_coman;asciilifeform, if you don't mind me asking: why don't you chronicle all of those on your blog (where it would be easier to follow including historically at any point)?
1719744;1506973438;asciilifeform;( the 16s incidentally is , e.g., 10s, on intel box )
1719745;1506973445;asciilifeform;diana_coman: formatting code is a bitch
1719746;1506973455;asciilifeform;and having ~same discussion twice likewise
1719747;1506973460;diana_coman;so upload file + link
1719748;1506973468;asciilifeform;and afaik all of the sane people who ever read my www, are already here.
1719749;1506973472;diana_coman;uhm, why same discussion twice?
1719750;1506973486;diana_coman;can have discussion there in logs or here, reference is still there
1719751;1506973506;asciilifeform;i also do not like giving drafts a permanence they do not deserve
1719752;1506973522;asciilifeform;yes, folx can get ffa snippets from archive.is/l0gz but it is clear that they are drafts.
1719753;1506973550;asciilifeform;the fundamental problem is the one discussed in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545
1719754;1506973581;asciilifeform;( which is about pgp sigs, rather than where to post drafts, but the abstract item is the same -- how to avoid giving false permanence )
1719755;1506973635;asciilifeform;once the thing has a final form, diana_coman , then yes it will go on my www; and with commentary; and potentially on dead tree even.
1719756;1506973811;mircea_popescu;she has a legitimate problem though -- interested parties can't follow the matter in their own time. it's currently push not pull, which is always a bad idea.
1719757;1506973828;asciilifeform;dropping code into ben_vulpes's pastetron is imho a sane way to emphasize, to the point of blood, that IT IS NOT A CODE RELEASE
1719758;1506973829;mircea_popescu;would be much better to have a working pullable infrastructure for your item, than to say this thing can't be pulled
1719759;1506973880;asciilifeform;insistent pullers, who do not follow the l0gz in real time, can go to e.g. https://archive.is/http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true
1719760;1506973899;asciilifeform;my main contention is that folks who do not follow the logs, have 0 business with ffa drafts.
1719761;1506973920;mircea_popescu;but the correct form for this would be https://archive.is/http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/$VAR$/?raw=true and where do they get that var ?
1719762;1506973929;asciilifeform;from log
1719763;1506973931;asciilifeform;where else.
1719764;1506973951;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719721
1719765;1506973951;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 19:30 asciilifeform: trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads ; http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb
1719766;1506973956;mircea_popescu;so what is the idea here, if i wish to review the state of this, other than asking you, i could also what ? !#s ffa ?
1719767;1506973966;asciilifeform;it's the magically most accurate way !
1719768;1506973975;asciilifeform;better than asciilifeform's meat, in fact, by far
1719769;1506973986;asciilifeform;gives you not only the code, but the discussion.
1719770;1506973990;asciilifeform;the entire context.
1719771;1506974005;asciilifeform;( not only the discussion it led to, but that led ~to~ it )
1719772;1506974165;mircea_popescu;at this rate we'll end up with metasyntactic. something like introduce @concept as a notation for concepts so they get indexed.
1719773;1506974166;asciilifeform;imho log supplies all of the 'pull' anybody ought to want.
1719774;1506974187;mircea_popescu;say @ffa instead of simply ffa so ppl can !#s "@ffa" and not get junk
1719775;1506974206;asciilifeform;i try to pick names such as will not lead to junk.
1719776;1506974213;mircea_popescu;how long can this last.
1719777;1506974215;asciilifeform;( are there any extraneous ffa's ? in the log )
1719778;1506974218;asciilifeform;4evah
1719779;1506974222;mircea_popescu;what if youi say ffa-tronic ?
1719780;1506974235;asciilifeform;that still greps correctly
1719781;1506974240;mircea_popescu;searching for "@ffa" delivers @ffa-tronic, searching for ffa does not.
1719782;1506974246;asciilifeform;sure it does
1719783;1506974265;asciilifeform;( and if it doesn't, then the search is not-equivalent-to-grep, aka BROKEN )
1719784;1506974280;diana_coman;eh, try searching for.. "p"
1719785;1506974290;asciilifeform;better example.
1719786;1506974304;asciilifeform;eventually we're prolly doomed to do what mircea_popescu described.
1719787;1506974311;asciilifeform;( if live long enough )
1719788;1506974311;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=usg << not so. usg-tronic fails to appear.
1719789;1506974316;mircea_popescu;and wtf, really, !#s p ?
1719790;1506974323;asciilifeform;he has a point.
1719791;1506974327;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22usg%22
1719792;1506974341;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes, but if you do "ffa" you will get eg hoffa
1719793;1506974342;ben_vulpes;phf's log search has a bifurcative behavior on the quotes
1719794;1506974351;asciilifeform;" ffa"
1719795;1506974367;ben_vulpes;heh
1719796;1506974385;mircea_popescu;so then make space the @ ? this is stupid, space is alreadfy semantically loaded.
1719797;1506974392;asciilifeform;but yeah i agree, this is orcism, and @ or the like is the Right Thing
1719798;1506974404;mircea_popescu;anyway, open for discussion, at least a while yet.
1719799;1506974413;trinque;twitter kids and their hashtags aren't "wrong" so much as that they have nothing at all to say.
1719800;1506974422;mircea_popescu;but it can'tself-standardize so everyone ends up with his own metasyntactic system
1719801;1506974497;trinque;alternatively could be said that the log viewers ought to implement an annotation layer above the text
1719802;1506974523;asciilifeform;trinque: log viewer naturally oughta support it. but without a marker, it cannot work
1719803;1506974544;asciilifeform;i'm satisfied that plain search dun cut it.
1719804;1506974578;mircea_popescu;trinque amusingly hanbot was working on something in this vein
1719805;1506974590;mircea_popescu;but turn it as you will, auctorial adnotation is very hard to beat.
1719806;1506974593;trinque;asciilifeform: can totally work as a separate datastructure from logs, or in-band.
1719807;1506974608;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1719808;1506974611;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X0cXK/?raw=true
1719809;1506974681;asciilifeform;trinque: why would you want to annotate out of band ?!!
1719810;1506974700;trinque;wtf is hypertext exactly?
1719811;1506974705;asciilifeform;the raw text is the only thing all logtrons ( and viewers elsewhere ) automatically get in sync
1719812;1506974714;asciilifeform;it and only it, is the canonical material.
1719813;1506974756;trinque;it's in no way self-evident that this MUST BE IN LOGS
1719814;1506974767;trinque;how are you going to go back and annotate once a conversation diverges into an interesting topic
1719815;1506974773;asciilifeform;if it dun belong in the logs, it possibly dun belong anywhere
1719816;1506974777;trinque;or what of the ancient logs
1719817;1506974798;asciilifeform;trinque: 1 possibility is to make annotation 'contagious', sorta like phf's back-arrows
1719818;1506974839;asciilifeform;say i want to 'infect' the line http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719816 , now if i include @ffa it will apply likewise to it.
1719819;1506974839;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 20:06 trinque: or what of the ancient logs
1719820;1506974859;trinque;was a great idea but now you've buggered it up!
1719821;1506974866;trinque;lol, nah, that does make sense.
1719822;1506974893;asciilifeform;i'm not currently sold that it is great idea. but there might not be a better one.
1719823;1506974938;asciilifeform;'in-house' annotations that will fall off the net if a particular logviewtron dies, are imho the Wrong Thing.
1719824;1506974948;asciilifeform;let there be 1 text.
1719825;1506975116;trinque;possibly the thing is a standard log reference format, path part of the URL. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02?l=1719816&re=logging
1719826;1506975133;trinque;then it's both in the logs, and the logger can do something interesting with it, if it can.
1719827;1506975154;asciilifeform;imho it is much easier on human eye to say, e.g., @ffa
1719828;1506975164;asciilifeform;esp. if i want to mention >1 tag
1719829;1506975178;asciilifeform;( how many log urls can you even fit in a line of log.. )
1719830;1506975910;mircea_popescu;yeah, demanding anchors for our irc clients is tempting (i know many times i want to give my words as trilema refs directly, like say above cuban), but i suspect not so smart.
1719831;1506975926;mircea_popescu;destroys the whole flow of typed text.
1719832;1506975987;asciilifeform;the @ thing is imho the Right Thing tho
1719833;1506975992;asciilifeform;it dun have much of a practical cost
1719834;1506975994;mircea_popescu;are we actually using @ ?
1719835;1506976000;mircea_popescu;!#s "@"
1719836;1506976002;a111;344559 results for "\"@\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%40%22
1719837;1506976008;mircea_popescu;holy hell.
1719838;1506976032;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1718993 << turns out noobs tend to paste it in
1719839;1506976032;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 03:31 elaineo: @mircea_popescu having never worked in finance, i suppose i'll take your word for it, for now
1719840;1506976035;asciilifeform;!#s "%"
1719841;1506976037;a111;17337 results for "\"%\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%25%22
1719842;1506976043;mircea_popescu;!#s "&"
1719843;1506976045;a111;8790 results for "\"&\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%26%22
1719844;1506976045;asciilifeform;!#s "^"
1719845;1506976046;a111;10028 results for "\"^\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%5E%22
1719846;1506976046;mircea_popescu;!#s "$"
1719847;1506976049;a111;14824 results for "\"$\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22$%22
1719848;1506976055;mircea_popescu;& ?
1719849;1506976057;davout;ç
1719850;1506976060;mircea_popescu;though that means fucking and.
1719851;1506976068;asciilifeform;$ is nogood , already used in ancient search cmd
1719852;1506976079;mircea_popescu;((())) ?
1719853;1506976089;asciilifeform;davout: if ç then just as well ы
1719854;1506976092;mircea_popescu;in fact, do we want it unterminated ?
1719855;1506976103;davout;§
1719856;1506976112;mircea_popescu;davout something i can type plox ty.
1719857;1506976115;asciilifeform;^
1719858;1506976127;asciilifeform;( and oh hey another one we've already usedup )
1719859;1506976135;mircea_popescu;!#s "<"
1719860;1506976138;a111;69146 results for "\"<\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%3C%22
1719861;1506976144;asciilifeform;!#s "_"
1719862;1506976145;a111;103700 results for "\"_\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22_%22
1719863;1506976149;asciilifeform;!#s "`"
1719864;1506976151;a111;7916 results for "\"`\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%60%22
1719865;1506976153;davout;this is going to end up in #trilema reinventing the semantic web
1719866;1506976161;mircea_popescu;seems that way dunnit.
1719867;1506976162;asciilifeform;oh hey backtick lookin' to be the champ
1719868;1506976169;asciilifeform;( in least-falsehits )
1719869;1506976182;mircea_popescu;so i would say `ffa` ? or `ffa ?
1719870;1506976186;asciilifeform;`ffa`.
1719871;1506976195;mircea_popescu;so then is `ffa`-tronic or `ffa-tronic` ?
1719872;1506976205;asciilifeform;imho ideally the latter.
1719873;1506976214;mircea_popescu;but the former is strictly correct
1719874;1506976223;mircea_popescu;what do we do to people who spam it ? and most importantly, how ?
1719875;1506976268;asciilifeform;failing to use correct syntax is own punishment -- you later have to sit like asciilifeform and answer q's re old threads that instead machine could've been answering
1719876;1506976287;mircea_popescu;what happens if rando starts loading up "your" concept with bs ?
1719877;1506976304;asciilifeform;what voicetron is for, neh
1719878;1506976309;mircea_popescu;i suppose the from:x is directly suited for this
1719879;1506976315;asciilifeform;and yes.
1719880;1506976321;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, phf can i have notfrom:x as well ?
1719881;1506976325;asciilifeform;^^^
1719882;1506976340;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+from%3Amircea+hurr << also.
1719883;1506976400;asciilifeform;re the separators, imho only whole alpha words oughta be tags
1719884;1506976415;mircea_popescu;so then `ffa`-tronic not `ffa-tronic`
1719885;1506976421;asciilifeform;so `ffa-tronic resolves to ffa
1719886;1506976434;asciilifeform;and so does `ffa , `ffa-ism
1719887;1506976463;asciilifeform;imho modifier does not belong in a tag.
1719888;1506976477;asciilifeform;( that road leads to livejournal. )
1719889;1506976568;asciilifeform;so proposed formula is, ` initiates, any non- A-Za-z character, breaks , a tag.
1719890;1506976573;asciilifeform;incl. space.
1719891;1506976604;mircea_popescu;this is convenient seeing how not having to terminate is a + imo
1719892;1506976615;asciilifeform;( latin only, also. i can live with latinized orcisms on occasion )
1719893;1506976617;mircea_popescu;but... `cr8 is cr or cr8 ?
1719894;1506976629;asciilifeform;it'd be cr.
1719895;1506976638;asciilifeform;make a case for needing 8 in a tag ?
1719896;1506976650;*;asciilifeform can think of a few
1719897;1506976652;mircea_popescu;`gossipdv3
1719898;1506976654;asciilifeform;x86.
1719899;1506976660;asciilifeform;aite, A-Za-z0-9
1719900;1506976757;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with having both `stalin and `cтaлин if anyone can be arsed with that.
1719901;1506976769;mircea_popescu;`ჯუღაშვილი lol
1719902;1506978049;diana_coman;!#s "|"
1719903;1506978051;a111;20019 results for "\"|\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%7C%22
1719904;1506978061;mircea_popescu;diana_coman nah that's bash semantically meaningful
1719905;1506978083;diana_coman;myeah; and search shows it basically as separator
1719906;1506984172;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719882 << what's wrong with?
1719907;1506984172;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 20:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+from%3Amircea+hurr << also.
1719908;1506984280;phf;also can definitely add notfrom: i almost think it should be there already as exclude or filter or somesuch
1719909;1506985891;BingoBoingo;https://identitydixie.com/2017/10/02/the-kangs-geld-and-the-coming-reckoning/
1719910;1506986588;cruciform;!~later tell danielpbarron FGs arrived - tyvm!
1719911;1506986588;jhvh1;cruciform: The operation succeeded.
1719912;1506987587;ag3nt_zer0;hello trilema
1719913;1506987858;ag3nt_zer0;following the guide for trb node creation, in making sure i have correct packages and binaries, seems everything is fine but "sha512sum" read package lists, built dep. tree, read state info, and then says: E: Unable to locate package sha512sum - is this going to create problems and if so how might i fix?
1719914;1506988037;shinohai;ag3nt_zer0: what 'nix are you using?
1719915;1506988072;ag3nt_zer0;ubuntu 14.04
1719916;1506988080;ag3nt_zer0;sup shinohai :)
1719917;1506988092;shinohai;That sgould be included in the core-utils package
1719918;1506988100;shinohai;nm here just chillin, you?
1719919;1506988146;shinohai;(So i am guessing an `apt-get install core-utils` should hook you up.)
1719920;1506988165;ag3nt_zer0;yeah hmmm as i went through the required stuff listed on trb node setup page, all of them said "______ is already the newest version"... all except the sha512sum
1719921;1506988175;ag3nt_zer0;ok will try that
1719922;1506988270;shinohai;General rule is when getting a "E: Unable to locate package" msg in Ubuntu/Deb is to do an apt-cache search for said package.
1719923;1506988288;ag3nt_zer0;same man... been workin a bunch thats about it
1719924;1506988310;ag3nt_zer0;apt-cache search got it! ty
1719925;1506988714;ag3nt_zer0;looking at this vegas shit...
1719926;1506988731;ag3nt_zer0;nationalist gun grab?
1719927;1506988830;mod6;they'll prolly try
1719928;1506989450;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6, diana_coman , whoever else was tuned in for ffa ^^^ latest . << got it, thanks!
1719929;1506990079;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai strange.. "apt-get install core-utils" yields same "E: unable to locate package"
1719930;1506990333;mod6;try 'coreutils'
1719931;1506990360;mod6;you can also do things like: `apt-cache search yourstringhere`
1719932;1506991090;*;hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!)
1719933;1506991569;lobbes;heh meta-phishing. "Learn to spot phishing attempts. Click here for 10 great examples!1!"
1719934;1506991620;lobbes;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00100800 http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt
1719935;1506991624;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/M5dKx/?raw=true
1719936;1506991650;lobbes;!!v 7BDD86FD1E526E11FAD264A440EA212CE3333034AF41544984D4AC63819F4B31
1719937;1506991653;deedbot;Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.00100800 << http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt
1719938;1506991658;lobbes;sweet!
1719939;1506995875;asciilifeform;meanwhile in ddosistan, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2017/09/25/significant-pricing-updates-are-coming-soon << lulzy 'ugh, that thing for which we were famous ? can't do no moar, and hey wouldja like to pay 5x more for less'
1719940;1506995969;asciilifeform;'“Who should have to pay for protection from DDOS attacks?” is a trick question. No one should. Period. Because DDOS attacks shouldn’t happen. They definitely shouldn’t be several orders of magnitude easier and cheaper to launch than they are to defend against. But “should” and “is” are miles apart, and we have to take the world as it is, not as it should be. So who does have to pay for protection from DDOS attacks? E
1719941;1506995969;asciilifeform;veryone.'
1719942;1506996196;asciilifeform;though on upside they take btc nao...
1719943;1506996212;asciilifeform;( recall , mircea_popescu , the angry answer from d00d, 'we will never', etc. ? )
1719944;1506996819;asciilifeform;( lol stike the nooseitem re their btc: -- is circa 2015. )
1719945;1506996955;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << lol didja also neglect the scorpion pit and the nuke waste drums ?
1719946;1506996955;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 00:38 hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!)
1719947;1506996962;asciilifeform;why HAVE a yahoo acct ?!!
1719948;1506996992;asciilifeform;what pleasures am i missing in one..?
1719949;1506997686;mircea_popescu;http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt << is this supposed to be 404 trinque ?
1719950;1506997716;mircea_popescu;phf that it only gives from the later parameter
1719951;1506997759;mircea_popescu;omfg it doesn't ?! just sheer concidence ?
1719952;1506997764;*;mircea_popescu awed.
1719953;1506997773;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717788 << new IP
1719954;1506997773;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 06:21 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/akPqa/?raw=true << The IP address for deedbot.org and wot.deedbot.org shall be 45.32.123.240 from block 487154 until further notice.
1719955;1506997784;mircea_popescu;oh. sorry.
1719956;1506997787;trinque;m[
1719957;1506997790;trinque;*np
1719958;1506997851;mod6;trinque: do i need to change the one listed here then? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
1719959;1506997874;trinque;nope, node remains at that IP.
1719960;1506997883;mod6;ah, ok thx.
1719961;1506997895;mircea_popescu;!!received-invoices
1719962;1506997898;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A1H86/?raw=true
1719963;1506998041;mircea_popescu;!!pay-invoice lobbes 1
1719964;1506998044;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZCreA/?raw=true
1719965;1506998072;mircea_popescu;!!v 5DAAA44B71955F14EB7E3934961B02394EC02C170B56BF1CDD23EE972D996F11
1719966;1506998075;deedbot;mircea_popescu paid lobbes invoice 1
1719967;1506998082;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1719968;1506998086;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gDtct/?raw=true
1719969;1506998113;mircea_popescu;!!received-invoices
1719970;1506998116;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9cvN1/?raw=true
1719971;1506998247;mircea_popescu;trinque add pipe between "cancelled at" and "rejected at" fields when nil ?
1719972;1506998280;mircea_popescu;lobbes didja get it ?
1719973;1506998301;trinque;formatting goof in there? I'll take a look
1719974;1506998326;mircea_popescu;just omits a pipe separating the last two nils
1719975;1506998348;trinque;sure, will fix
1719976;1506998593;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << pretty sure yahoo mail actually sells inbox access to spammers, message keywords and all.
1719977;1506998593;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 00:38 hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!)
1719978;1506998624;mircea_popescu;iirc this was even broken on ro trilema at some ancient point, to usual chorus of "but what proof do you have this proof you have is proofing" and other theguardianisms.
1719979;1506998746;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch.
1719980;1506998746;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 01:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile in ddosistan, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2017/09/25/significant-pricing-updates-are-coming-soon << lulzy 'ugh, that thing for which we were famous ? can't do no moar, and hey wouldja like to pay 5x more for less'
1719981;1506998800;mircea_popescu;that said, 50 cents a day is pretty lulz.
1719982;1506998837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wtf is a RAUS anyway ?
1719983;1506998958;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719943 << scarce consolation, so he yielded on btc so as to not yield on "must be in trilema" anyway ?
1719984;1506998958;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 02:03 asciilifeform: ( recall , mircea_popescu , the angry answer from d00d, 'we will never', etc. ? )
1719985;1506999434;mircea_popescu;"Since 2006, we’ve used the services of a third-party company to offer domain registration. That worked out really well for many years. Then, in 2014, that company was acquired by another, much larger, company. Its new parent owns a large number of other hosting companies that compete directly with us." <<< heh. i suspect it's exactly http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-regist
1719986;1506999434;mircea_popescu;rar/
1719987;1506999440;mircea_popescu;actually, i'm pretty sure it is.
1719988;1506999590;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719945 << felt a lot more like I was *in* the nuke waste drum! panama sux ftr, no idea why anyone outside of maaaaybe overspecialized ornithologists profess to like it. anyway, i have a yahoo account so other people don't have to. zero endorsements intended.
1719989;1506999590;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 02:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << lol didja also neglect the scorpion pit and the nuke waste drums ?
1719990;1506999660;asciilifeform;hanbot: i've nfi why anybody hasto.
1719991;1506999681;*;trinque ran his own postfix shitstack for a while, no point
1719992;1506999685;asciilifeform;and pama suxx, though i've only set foot into/out of plane there, it has humidity like dc, and presumably year round
1719993;1506999690;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you have any idea what yahoo mail penetration is among 3rd world whores ?
1719994;1506999717;asciilifeform;trinque: believe or not, i still run one, i have eternal and ancient evils relying on it
1719995;1506999737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nfi but ain't it an emailtron, can't other types speak with it..?
1719996;1506999750;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
1719997;1506999752;asciilifeform;...or is it an aolism
1719998;1506999759;mircea_popescu;what are you, like from the future ?
1719999;1506999765;asciilifeform;lol aolism then
1720000;1506999781;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719976 << google's ~entire businessmodel neh
1720001;1506999781;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 02:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << pretty sure yahoo mail actually sells inbox access to spammers, message keywords and all.
1720002;1506999784;mircea_popescu;email interoperation is from a time in the 2020s as they appeared to come in 1980s.
1720003;1506999796;asciilifeform;( back when it has 'business model' other than simple 'tbtf' usgonics )
1720004;1506999796;mircea_popescu;not as they actually came.
1720005;1506999833;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719982 << i have nfi what is a raus, hearing of it for 1st time
1720006;1506999833;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 02:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf is a RAUS anyway ?
1720007;1506999899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly, having read this thing you linked i actually come to like the guy, whoever he is. why the fuck isn't he in the wot ? dja have a contact ?
1720008;1506999907;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979 << gotta appreciate this peculiar fact : asciilifeform used nfs co. service since 2007. not misprint : a decade sharp as of a few mo. ago. with ZERO MAINTENANCE and ZERO hassle and ~zero downtime and laughed at GB/s ddoses and do i have to go on ?
1720009;1506999907;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 02:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch.
1720010;1506999925;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc you wrote to him, he said something like 'eh who are you, snoar'
1720011;1506999932;mircea_popescu;schmuck.
1720012;1506999953;asciilifeform;i dun think i've ever used any subscription-anything where i was as satisfied was with nfsco.
1720013;1506999958;mircea_popescu;recall that other turdhead, what was his name, "oh i r big deal, who are you" in 2012 or when was it, then in 2014 "oh, please talk to me ?"
1720014;1506999960;asciilifeform;not telco, not fucking magazines, nothing.
1720015;1506999981;asciilifeform;when it finally rots to unusability -- and it will -- it will be an epic sad to asciilifeform .
1720016;1506999991;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope?
1720017;1507000002;mircea_popescu;eh let's fish it out
1720018;1507000089;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/
1720019;1507000186;asciilifeform;where was the 'talk to me' piece
1720020;1507000199;asciilifeform;i dun remember d00d repenting
1720021;1507000212;mircea_popescu;there's a 2012 and a 2013 installment.
1720022;1507000227;mircea_popescu;and no, idiots don't repent, that's part of being an idiot.
1720023;1507000283;mircea_popescu;heck, max keiser still thinks he's "got insights" neh ? and whatever, "bitcoin cash is still around"
1720024;1507000305;asciilifeform;so what exactly in 2014
1720025;1507000329;asciilifeform;afaik all of these folx are happy to this day on their alt-planets
1720026;1507000360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:09 AM [snipped idiocy] someone is paying me to look at your exchange. Can you [snipped idiocy] "
1720027;1507000375;asciilifeform;ohey lol
1720028;1507000379;asciilifeform;was this in the log?
1720029;1507000405;mircea_popescu;and yeah, totally, i'm sure they're happy. an sept 2 investment in bch would have brought... o look, under 0.095 now!... what is this, 60% loss ?
1720030;1507000409;asciilifeform;oh nm it was in linked trilema
1720031;1507000411;mircea_popescu;except 100% cuz leveraged, ofcouars ?
1720032;1507000440;asciilifeform;ha shitanic finally sinking innit.
1720033;1507000468;mircea_popescu;o, no. it's... happy
1720034;1507000472;mircea_popescu;sinking into happiness heh.
1720035;1507000537;asciilifeform;ain't as if the chumpatron ops are losing own money
1720036;1507000543;mircea_popescu;who's to know.
1720037;1507000571;mircea_popescu;but yes, in principle a chumpatron op shouldn't be losing money, seeing how they translate into reality an ideal good : the disenfranchising of idiots.
1720038;1507000834;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719958 << plox to remove the deceased dulap, 46.166.165.30 . and also note that 108.31.170.49 ( zoolag ) is at 382k and will remain useless as a public node for some weeks.
1720039;1507000834;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 02:30 mod6: trinque: do i need to change the one listed here then? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
1720040;1507000835;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1720041;1507000962;mod6;want me to take them both off the list then?
1720042;1507000980;asciilifeform;prolly best.
1720043;1507000994;mod6;Okay, update me when either or both are back in action.
1720044;1507000999;mircea_popescu;eh isn't that exaggerate ? it's a node, what. keep adjusting weekly ?
1720045;1507001002;asciilifeform;( a 382k node will do no one any good, it spends 95%+ of time blackholed )
1720046;1507001021;asciilifeform;it's almost exactly same as a dead box.
1720047;1507001026;mircea_popescu;mk.
1720048;1507001077;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is, for the time being, nodeless.
1720049;1507001099;mod6;Done.
1720050;1507001110;asciilifeform;( remember, an unsynced trb node rejects ~ALL tx )
1720051;1507001223;*;asciilifeform bbl
1720052;1507002273;mircea_popescu;fwiw, jdw = jeff wheelhouse = https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2353366181/bq71cdufsrasc0sqxk8k_400x400.png
1720053;1507002570;mircea_popescu;pretty entertaining shit, too. "Just spent an hour+ listening to @NETGEAR ProSafe support condescendingly claim a feature w/ an entire chapter in the manual doesn't exist. Finally made them download manual off their own site. "Huh. We'll try to get somebody who's heard of this to call you back… eventually." or,  "Just had @MariaDB decline to give me a quote for @nfsn. They don’t deal with “staff” & say I’m too busy
1720054;1507002570;mircea_popescu;& hard to reach to be in management. Also, their support offerings are so complex they’re “afraid” of “a great deal of misinterpretation” if they write them down."
1720055;1507003199;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, dood's possibly been around for longer than the internets.
1720056;1507003200;mircea_popescu;"The term "spam" came into broad use shortly after a famous incident on 12 April 1994. Canter and Siegel unleashed the first mega-spam against Usenet. (Cantor had done local, mini-spams before; he was now going international.) Canter spammed almost 6,000 groups in less than 90 minutes through an Internet Direct account (an Arizona Internet provider). The post was a C&S ad for the U.S. "Green Card lottery" -- a chance for non-
1720057;1507003200;mircea_popescu;Americans to enter a very low-odds US-work-permit raffle. Jeff Wheelhouse, sysadmin for Internet Direct, was soon bombed into oblivion by world-wide complaints. He told the New York Times this caused Internet Direct computers to crash at least 15 times -- "that's when we stopped counting." Canter soon appeared on CNN's Sonya Live. Interestingly, spam was viewed as an innovation by Sonya, who hailed Canter as a Business Pionee
1720058;1507003201;mircea_popescu;r instead of Wanton Vandal. Canter boasted he'd spam again."
1720059;1507003276;mircea_popescu;http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/19/business/an-ad-gasp-in-cyberspace.html from back in the day it didn't know it's dead yet.
1720060;1507005665;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1720061;1507005672;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4402.04, vol: 7813.93351208 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4420.1, vol: 26728.06479848 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4419.0, vol: 3155.33581358 | Volume-weighted last average: 4416.26443677
1720062;1507006464;lobbes;!!balance
1720063;1507006468;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2Z0bJ/?raw=true
1720064;1507006507;lobbes;mircea_popescu, got it
1720065;1507006532;lobbes;this is pretty cool
1720066;1507006542;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1720067;1507006553;mircea_popescu;but yeah, totally nice work trinque
1720068;1507006569;mircea_popescu;i hope you're corking champagne over there.
1720069;1507007693;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/mircea_popescu_payment_receipt.txt
1720070;1507030236;phf;test
1720071;1507031139;midnightmagic;Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you?
1720072;1507031245;midnightmagic;Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data?
1720073;1507033094;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720072 << heh, the next day after http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719442 huh ? tell you what, wait until it's back on, then ignore the matter for a few years, then when it next is down or anything come back and ask that.
1720074;1507033094;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 11:47 midnightmagic: Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data?
1720075;1507033094;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 14:56 asciilifeform: RIP dulap.
1720076;1507033096;mircea_popescu;it's the only way!
1720077;1507033161;midnightmagic;doh
1720078;1507033355;midnightmagic;..  hard drives were seized? What's dulap? Is that the name of the server you guys were using for the phuctor project?
1720079;1507033472;mircea_popescu;it's all in the logs you know. see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714212 and so on.
1720080;1507033472;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
1720081;1507033472;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 04:01 mircea_popescu: [HE1EUR02FT027.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com]
1720082;1507033573;midnightmagic;lol I swear I was reading them almost that whole time man...  oh. Gad dangit.
1720083;1507033608;shinohai;Morning mircea_popescu .... sending out that reply after tea. o/
1720084;1507033614;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1720085;1507033639;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic that's EXACTLY the fucking problem. modern man has total disconnect between symbols dancing in front of eyes and anything to do with action.
1720086;1507033655;mircea_popescu;buncha zoo seals, trained to clap along.
1720087;1507033682;midnightmagic;The page with the RIP dulap doesn't have the raid failure mention on it. I can't read *that* fast dude.
1720088;1507033691;*;shinohai has no coffee this morning, must start the day the Earl Gray way. (tm)
1720089;1507033723;mircea_popescu;shinohai move to costa rica, have the problem of omfg i can't keep drining so much coffee... but it's so good...
1720090;1507033754;mircea_popescu;i'm not much of a coffee drinker, in general. but when i live here i take a few months to turn into utter fiend. then if i move away it goes away.
1720091;1507033783;midnightmagic;+1 Gesha Esmeralda coffee. It's a sin to drink it anyway but black.
1720092;1507033807;mircea_popescu;cafe con leche ftw!
1720093;1507033912;midnightmagic;macchiato guy myself, for the coffees that are worthy enough to be drunk so.
1720094;1507034012;midnightmagic;Dangit. Phuctor was an important project.
1720095;1507034026;mircea_popescu;it still is an important project.
1720096;1507034127;mircea_popescu;and in other ancient lulz, http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2058&context=bclr
1720097;1507034154;mircea_popescu;not sure what's lulzier, the failed-female whining or the concerned-bystander "is college bezzle getting all it could get ???".
1720098;1507034366;phf;what an odd opener
1720099;1507034422;midnightmagic;Hrm. I missed my chance to download the phuctor db snapshot.
1720100;1507034442;mircea_popescu;i find it interesting that anyone thought that'd make sense as an opener. for the READERS OF LAW REVIEW no less.
1720101;1507034450;mircea_popescu;90s a lot dumber than originally thought, in the us.
1720102;1507034662;phf;i suppose the usual suspects were making inroads, perhaps in 20 years it will not be obvious why high pitched sjw is a "google" concern
1720103;1507034701;mircea_popescu;cucks trying to signal to milfs that they're available, basically. naive colonies sufficiently unsophisticated to allow this shameful display.
1720104;1507034741;*;mircea_popescu is pretty well satisfied ~only reason charles f. wilson put that out there is the hope that some "divorcee" somewhere will "let him help".
1720105;1507035034;phf;i didn't realize it was written by a guy. i've not encountered that whole cuck behavior until i came to u.s. i suppose i remember men like that growing up, but they were explicitly recognized and condemned
1720106;1507035078;phf;in unrelated
1720107;1507035085;phf;!#s dog notfrom:mircea
1720108;1507035086;a111;957 results for "dog notfrom:mircea", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dog%20notfrom%3Amircea
1720109;1507035087;mircea_popescu;anyway, lulzy throughout. "we were old enough to fight in vietnam, but not old enough to vote, which is lulzy, notwithstranding we whined a lot more than we fought, AND ALSO LOST THAT WAR THOUGH BEING SAD FAILURES!!! ; then the vote thing was fixed, but it was fixed in the wrong way -- by lowering emancipation age it meant daddy no longer has to pay! UNFAIR!"
1720110;1507035133;mircea_popescu;!#s dog notfrom:mircea from:ascii from:ben notfrom:phf
1720111;1507035133;a111;296 results for "dog notfrom:mircea from:ascii from:ben notfrom:phf", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dog%20notfrom%3Amircea%20from%3Aascii%20from%3Aben%20notfrom%3Aphf
1720112;1507035141;mircea_popescu;ahaha check that out. nice!
1720113;1507035175;phf;oh the combination has been working for a while, that example with hurr durr had ascii hidden somewhere there
1720114;1507035235;phf;i tried !from:foo syntax, but until there's a proper search query grammar i think i'll stick to an explicit looking keyword, as originally suggested
1720115;1507035247;mircea_popescu;phf dood's bio : 1993-1994 greater boston food bank volunteer (ie, ASSISTANT volunteer MANAGER!!!), then 1998-2002 testa hurwitz & thibeault. boston college law school (ie, shit) 94-97. "saint joseph university" (ie, shit), ba politics 89-93.
1720116;1507035455;mircea_popescu;anyway, anyone remember the brouhaha of "fair" (ie, some faggots-on-campus pac) vs rumsfeld case ? (govt wanted to cut funding for colleges that didn't allow army recruiters on campus, solomon amendment ; they didn't want to allow recruiters on campus because they judged don't ask don't tell DISCRIMINATORY!!!11)
1720117;1507035459;phf;a beautiful specimen
1720118;1507035511;mircea_popescu;so : bc law thinks having argued before the supreme court!!!! on the wrong side of a case that got adjudicated the other way 8-0 is something to put in its bio as the #1 item.
1720119;1507035527;mircea_popescu;if anyone things it prepares lawyers that one's reading comprehension is barrista-adequate.
1720120;1507035655;mircea_popescu;(one helluva braindamaged "case" that was, too. worth reading for the curious, they got thrown out at every level, then held up supreme court to educate them in basic law.)
1720121;1507035729;mircea_popescu;"In Spring 2017, the Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review, Boston College International and Comparative Law Review, and the Journal of Law and Social Justice published their last issues and consolidated into the Boston College Law Review." for extra bonus points.
1720122;1507035972;phf;this is a discouraging entomology, since i just came back to washington d.c. so now i have to interact with willsons and their brood yet again. (not directly, but i get to see them on the street)
1720123;1507035996;mircea_popescu;this guy is now assistant public defender in hartford, ct!!! no less
1720124;1507036017;mircea_popescu;so i much doubt you will interact with him unless you somehow age 20 years, get tit implants and become a socialite.
1720125;1507036059;mircea_popescu;i expect 50% of his fare are de mournay DUIs, 50yo ex-starlet / alcoholic jane fonda.
1720126;1507036154;phf;i might run into him in the street! i have friends in hartford and throughout CT (though i mostly visit those on the coast)
1720127;1507036171;phf;luckily i can't find his picture, so i will remain blissfully ignorant
1720128;1507036203;mircea_popescu;anyway, but the above line re "consolidated into" is there to explain how exactly $item became shit : at time t0, there existed $item, and it was respectable. at time t1, misguided "pluralism" allowed a bunch of rank imbeciles, such as here typified by charles f wilson, to open $rakim-and-his-black-chix-code, $faggots-fashion-law-review etcetera. then at time t2, the foregoing useless items "got consolidated" into $item. the
1720129;1507036203;mircea_popescu;end.
1720130;1507036274;mircea_popescu;this is how the ourdemocracy "pluralism" ratchet works : if everyone is nominally equal, and if nobody should face the music of his own ineptitude, then you can cycle these spawn-and-consolidate cycles until everything is pure shit.
1720131;1507036327;mircea_popescu;(ie, exactly the monetary process described in http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ except applied to labour rather than capital)
1720132;1507036521;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing amusings -- i wonder why exactly hasn't the "alt right" picked up on JESUIT heritage to bitch and whine about ? it's just about the core of modern pantsuitism, it was historically oppressed specifically for pantsuitism, and when i say historically i mean centuries not decades, why exactly nobody knows enough to say "the jesuits will not replace us" ?
1720133;1507036531;mircea_popescu;what, just gonna keep on with the jews forever ? there's other options!
1720134;1507037078;phf;too obscure, though that would be an amusing thing to do. jesuit "protocols" on twitter, quotes and condemnations. it would be closer to an art project, than anything. "the who?"
1720135;1507037094;mircea_popescu;except it's better substantiated in fact than the jew thing.
1720136;1507037123;mircea_popescu;jesuits were shoah'd in venice once, 1600s, and THEN in france, portugal, the two sicilies etc in 1700s. this is moar than one piddly german interdict
1720137;1507037174;mircea_popescu;what, just because that happened 3 and 400 years ago as opposed to 1900s ? what is this, the simple, child-like behaviour of the new world demographic ?
1720138;1507037182;phf;^
1720139;1507037195;shinohai;Also, Malta and Spanish EMpire.
1720140;1507037221;mircea_popescu;quite.
1720141;1507037253;mircea_popescu;phf but to be honest, i suspect the actual reason is that this'd be a first step on the road to indicting jesus. which is apt, jesus being the best first-line heuristic for idiocy you'll ever encounter.
1720142;1507037256;shinohai;(It's pretty bad when Pope himself writes Dominus ac Redemptor to hate on your religious group)
1720143;1507037278;mircea_popescu;it happens to also be the single most important thread connecting the self-same "alt right" with faith altogether, so this is problematic.
1720144;1507037288;mircea_popescu;or should i say psychologically painful.
1720145;1507037306;mircea_popescu;in other words, i dun think "obscure" is the problem. i think "not wanting to take a look inside" is the problem.
1720146;1507037459;mircea_popescu;(note that the above deals with jesus, as the western conception, not with the thing thereby named altogether. christos, as ~same thing understood in the east, be it the greek pantokrator, the russian voskresie i guess, or various others is not nearly as problematic)
1720147;1507037664;mircea_popescu;even exists in early anglo stuff, christ resurrector, christ almighty etc. though the vein exhausted itself readily and apparently without leaving much trace. i guess in the same way "everyone" knows of bedwetter's 1984 but nobody read point counterpoint, notwithstanding that huxley is the important kid in that class, not fucking blair.
1720148;1507037875;phf;hmm
1720149;1507037956;mircea_popescu;(the link, for the curious, is that in any other time than the present the above charles f. wilson would have been counted as a jesuit. both his stepping-stone and ultimate destination 2nd education institutions being -- jesuit.)
1720150;1507038061;mircea_popescu;and in more domestic tranquility : a girl made bolognese, with fusili ; i made spicy paprika chicken, with penne rigate. there's now available A SELECTION of pasta leftovers for breakfast!
1720151;1507038065;mircea_popescu;they go together great, too.
1720152;1507038823;phf;mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what you mean by western conception of jesus (i'm vague on when the split happened, but yeah christos in slav countries and presumably in greek tradition has retained his "vsederzhitel" title, not so much in the west, but i can't imagine that the split happened in the 6th-8th century)
1720153;1507038836;mircea_popescu;phf does christos love you ?
1720154;1507038927;mircea_popescu;cuz you know, simple-minded ustard doesn't take nearly as long to answer that question.
1720155;1507038945;phf;:)
1720156;1507038966;phf;i'm not sure, but not in the way that phrase is cliche in english. god loves you, christ acts from inner great love. i'm not sure christ loves ~you~ as such
1720157;1507039062;phf;russian conception of christ's love has always been "if my husband beats me, how do i still interpret his actions as love? -- well have you seen that special glint in his eyes!"
1720158;1507039108;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking ploy with the new testament is not simply http://trilema.com/2017/why-god-has-died/#selection-111.0-129.119 but actually turning the heavenly father into the heavenly mother ; hence all the inept bs starting with all the mary worship in the loser south.
1720159;1507039196;mircea_popescu;phf there's two fundamental roles for divinity in the life of man (unlike the matters discussed re resplenduminous, which are quite apart a third) : it's either momgod, give me a thing ; or else dadgod make me enjoy the thing i got.
1720160;1507039215;mircea_popescu;and as it happens one of these works better than the other.
1720161;1507039233;mircea_popescu;none of this, obviously, having to do with divinity in the slightest ; we're here discussing religion not theology.
1720162;1507039531;mircea_popescu;anyway, the important point here being that the "progress" is actually a withdrawal ; from alhpabet to hieroglyphics, from christos to jesus, everywhere the sweet scent of senescent decay.
1720163;1507039763;phf;right, i have similar impression, i thought there might be an event associated with it. i'd stick to the umberto ecco's idea that the transition happened sometime in the 14th century as a result of pantsuitization of catholic church
1720164;1507039794;mircea_popescu;and what is your explanation of the cathars ?
1720165;1507039847;mircea_popescu;the 14th century pantsuitization of the church resulted from the 14th century burning at the stake of the pantsuit enclave of toulouse.
1720166;1507039909;mircea_popescu;look into how well the impregnable fortress was defended by those ninnies, and see in them the "hell no, we won't go" vietnam victrices.
1720167;1507040002;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, who shall say caedite eos, novit enim dominus eius for this century ?
1720168;1507040060;mircea_popescu;to this very day teh episode does truly bother the pantsuit press. because here's the thing : whether alt-right knows or doesn't know there's such a thing as jesuit, the thing they know or don't know still is, and still works.
1720169;1507040128;phf;right, come to think crusades and inquisition came later
1720170;1507040148;mircea_popescu;cathars are starting around 1100s or so.
1720171;1507040267;mircea_popescu;anyway. 1100 century vegans, they existed.
1720172;1507040305;phf;right, inquisition is then 12th century, and crusades are over by 15th, reformation is 16th
1720173;1507040329;mircea_popescu;the first crusade was in the 1090s
1720174;1507040488;phf;i don't know enough about history of church to pin point modern day "jesus loves you" conception.
1720175;1507040521;mircea_popescu;well, the fact that there existed a 12th century animalrights, gender-fluid community of idiots who failed miserably in the field excuses you from such a pinpoint.
1720176;1507040540;mircea_popescu;pantsuitism is eternal, neglected cunt grows cobwebs, what.
1720177;1507040637;mircea_popescu;and, then as now, actually competent women didn't think much of the whole crap sandwich.
1720178;1507040645;mircea_popescu;!~google hildegard von bingen
1720179;1507040646;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Hildegard of Bingen - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen>; Saint Hildegard of Bingen – Franciscan Media: <https://www.franciscanmedia.org/saint-hildegard-of-bingen/>; Hildegard of Bingen , Visionary: <http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/247.html>
1720180;1507040653;mircea_popescu;^ early noether, by any account.
1720181;1507040852;phf;i sort of assumed from the paintings and the existence of such thing as thieves' cant, but at some point it was sort of like a mix between monthy python's holy grail and the life of brian. i.e. dirt digging communes, living somewhere on the periphery, espousing any kind of random interpretation of gospel. "christ the table throwers of the third denomination"
1720182;1507040897;mircea_popescu;nah. carcassone was literally an impregnable fortress for the time. were it defended, even middlingly, it would never have fallen.
1720183;1507040902;mircea_popescu;much like present day us.
1720184;1507040955;phf;such us the tmsr darlings, knights templar
1720185;1507040984;mircea_popescu;islands are indefensible by nature.
1720186;1507041103;mircea_popescu;anyway, the moment is very much a french equiv of the us civil war. the north still won, same north, same terms.
1720187;1507041466;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720071 << some d00d sent'em in, oughta be in the l0gz
1720188;1507041466;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 11:45 midnightmagic: Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you?
1720189;1507041490;mircea_popescu;phf but leaving aside that the inquisition was invented in the first place to stamp out pantsuitism manifested as catharism from teh south of france (which it did do) : are you aware the first yellow star as a sartorial accessory was also introduced then ?
1720190;1507041496;mircea_popescu;of course, then it was a cross. but anyway.
1720191;1507041507;asciilifeform;and holy FUCK midnightmagic already 'embrace and extinguish ?' ol' corpse not even cold yet
1720192;1507041531;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720073 << oh hey hey loox like mircea_popescu did that thread already, so i dun have to
1720193;1507041531;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 12:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720072 << heh, the next day after http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719442 huh ? tell you what, wait until it's back on, then ignore the matter for a few years, then when it next is down or anything come back and ask that.
1720194;1507041628;asciilifeform;!~later tell midnightmagic http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720099 << if you want to read, e.g., the phuctored page, i refreshed it on archive.is a few days ago. but if what you're aiming for is to embrace&extinguish phuctor itself, you're on yer own
1720195;1507041628;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 12:40 midnightmagic: Hrm. I missed my chance to download the phuctor db snapshot.
1720196;1507041629;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1720197;1507041801;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720096 << brain-melter. but picture, if d00d had gotten his way, the collegism cost death rocket could have fired 30 yrs ago , instead of delaying the inevitable 'tothemoon'
1720198;1507041801;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 12:35 mircea_popescu: and in other ancient lulz, http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2058&context=bclr
1720199;1507041813;mircea_popescu;no, he got his way.
1720200;1507041829;mircea_popescu;quoted for being anodyne part of the trend, not some sort of solitary prophet.
1720201;1507041860;asciilifeform;afaik in all 50 states no childsupportism past 18
1720202;1507041864;mircea_popescu;orly.
1720203;1507041865;asciilifeform;so in what sense he got his way ?
1720204;1507041877;mircea_popescu;in the sense court will order you to support college kid.
1720205;1507041895;asciilifeform;ianal but pretty sure that nope.
1720206;1507041901;asciilifeform;( pull one up ? )
1720207;1507041911;phf;asciilifeform: there are definitely variations on college support
1720208;1507041919;mircea_popescu;exact same item as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676200
1720209;1507041919;a111;Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
1720210;1507041953;mircea_popescu;"protected classes", ie usg-agencies doing "human services".
1720211;1507041970;asciilifeform;no but can haz ? pull up a case where d00d jailed for not paying tuition for spawn
1720212;1507042104;asciilifeform;it's a state apparatus, btw, rather than federal, and maintains a pretense of 'voluntary' ( i.e. d00d gotta manually sign cheques, and jailed if he 'forgets', rather than wage & property confiscation as seen in tax collection )
1720213;1507042140;mircea_popescu;boston college, st catherine laboure hospital, all the same.
1720214;1507042153;asciilifeform;that dun look like a case citation
1720215;1507042186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.forbes.com/2007/02/13/divorce-kids-education-pf-estates-in_mb_0213money_inl.ht wouldja stop being ridiculous.
1720216;1507042245;*;asciilifeform waits for subj to load...
1720217;1507042254;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/JJE7b << 404
1720218;1507042288;mircea_popescu;heh.
1720219;1507042296;mircea_popescu;http://www.bestnewyorkdivorce.com/Long-Island-Divorce-Blog/2014/April/Father-Ordered-by-Court-to-Help-Pay-Childs-Colle.aspx any better ?
1720220;1507042328;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hv6ke/?raw=true << googlecache has it
1720221;1507042402;asciilifeform;hm apparently 'age of majority' still 21 in some states, which explains mircea_popescu's find
1720222;1507042408;mircea_popescu;not at fucking all.
1720223;1507042439;mircea_popescu;1979 case, ringier divorce, introduced this nonsense.
1720224;1507042440;asciilifeform;is there a record of, say, 30 y.o. 'eternal student' being 'childsupported' ?
1720225;1507042450;mircea_popescu;it was recently thrown out as unconstitutional, but whatever.
1720226;1507042486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't get to move the goal posts. fact is, us courts have, throughout and since 1979, ordered divorced parents to pay for the rejected bitch's spawn to go to college as adults.
1720227;1507042535;asciilifeform;but was this done using the childsupport bureaucracy apparatus, or the divorcetheft apparatus, is my q
1720228;1507042552;mircea_popescu;i don't know the difference is factual, tbh.
1720229;1507042561;asciilifeform;they are not separate from mircea_popescu's dirigible, but to the folx on the ground are very different items, with different types of spiked ends on the whips
1720230;1507042583;mircea_popescu;i suspect this difference is made of the same substance as your knowledge of the matter prior.
1720231;1507042584;asciilifeform;sorta like the diff b/w arrest by local cops and, e.g. fbi rendition
1720232;1507042636;mircea_popescu;anyway. you can end up in jail for not paying the court-ordered kid's college, no question there.
1720233;1507042664;asciilifeform;still would like to read a case involving somebody who ~did~ sit for it
1720234;1507042673;mircea_popescu;so tell your paralegal.
1720235;1507042695;asciilifeform;lol
1720236;1507042699;mircea_popescu;yes, adult male should have at least one paralegal living on the premises, what.
1720237;1507042741;asciilifeform;i have a paralegal in the sense that she has an arc welder operator
1720238;1507042744;asciilifeform;but hey whynot.
1720239;1507042796;mircea_popescu;you know, this is the ONLY fucking benefit of living where you do. that you can put up a craigslist ad or whatever, "willing to feed and house paralegal, you will have to have nice tits and love the cock." and be swamped with takers.
1720240;1507042799;asciilifeform;in related lulz, from ad sidebar in mircea_popescu's link : 'A. Gary Shilling says that parents can no longer depend on home equity loans to pay for crushing tuition costs. Click here for Shilling’s tips on how to profit and pay those tuition expenses.'
1720241;1507042802;mircea_popescu;why pass on it ?
1720242;1507042848;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'all fun an' games' until new pet suddenly 'sprouts' 'rights'
1720243;1507042870;asciilifeform;sorta what thread was even about, neh
1720244;1507042871;mircea_popescu;eh get out of here.
1720245;1507043115;asciilifeform;'At The Meyers Law Group, P.C., we are pleased that we were able to help this college student and her mother get the support they deserved. ' << this paragraph verily smells of zyklon, lol
1720246;1507043156;phf;formaldehyde with any luck
1720247;1507043185;asciilifeform;very interesting find, mircea_popescu . i had monumentally nfi.
1720248;1507043186;*;asciilifeform brb
1720249;1507043406;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: Good god, no. Not interested in embrace&extinguish. I've managed to capture the attention of Chief Lying Scumbag himself Craig Wright, and a secondary source of historical SKS would mean that I'm probably not lying when I tell people that fake-Satoshi's fake-keys *weren't* in the dataset as of February 2012.
1720250;1507043496;midnightmagic;You'd told me after I uploaded the 4GB to you that you had an even earlier copy--and that's what I'm looking for. The phuctor dataset was something I saw you post a link to in the archive which Mircea kindly(?) suggested I look more closely at.
1720251;1507043588;midnightmagic;In particular, I know that if I send people here to find old data, you people will tear them a new butthole, and so I hope to punish the disbelievers.
1720252;1507043718;midnightmagic;So.  I guess.. surprise! Phuctor is also useful for other things!
1720253;1507044936;mircea_popescu;and to continue the lulz : "Equal protection challenges require a review of the statute allowing court-ordered support [for adult children of a failed marriage]. Neither strict scrutiny nor heightened scrutiny are required as these statutes do not create classes of people based on race, creed, color, gender, national origin or involve a fundamental right. These statutes create, instead, social and economic classifications, re
1720254;1507044936;mircea_popescu;flecting people's marital status and assets. Consequently, courts only need to use rational basis review. Rational basis review, the most deferential review of legislative action, requires two steps. First, courts must determine whether these statutes attempt to promote any legitimate state interest or public value. If so, courts must determine whether the statuttes and classifications created are rationally related to accomp
1720255;1507044936;mircea_popescu;lishing those interests. In other words, courts ask whether the statute does what it was written to do."
1720256;1507044985;mircea_popescu;the important point here, as far as the latin-american "liberation theology" marxist reinterpretation, as typified in the latest (and first jesuit) pope is concerned is : that property is not a right.
1720257;1507045061;mircea_popescu;let aside that property is the first, and only right that matters, for as long as i have property i will bring back all the other crap as needed ; whereas without property all the rest is entirely not worth the mention and we can really start calling each other tavarisch, there being no further need of any pretense in the vein of courts, or for that matter any other rationalisms.
1720258;1507045182;mircea_popescu;"option for the poor", dontchaknow, first and foremost the option to pretend that they're not poor because they suck ; that the reason kid now needs to beg for college moneys ISN'T that his mother failed at her fucking job, that had she been a non-suck wife she wouldn't have the fucking problem in the first place and so on.
1720259;1507045212;mircea_popescu;lettuce externalize all the costs into a large ball and gift it to jesus! that's why we created jesus for in the first place innit!
1720260;1507045730;shinohai;"The US has expelled 15 Cuban diplomats, saying Havana failed to protect US diplomats from mysterious acoustic attacks."   <<< moar Cuban/US lulz
1720261;1507045887;mircea_popescu;why not just play the 2017 pop top 100 at them ?
1720262;1507045903;mircea_popescu;despacito, como lo hacen en puerto rico.
1720263;1507045958;mircea_popescu;http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/10/02/maria_pr_valentin_174-edit_custom-f275d99951f15887c1203460561e282620cf2247-s800-c85.jpg picrelated.jpg
1720264;1507046041;asciilifeform;shinohai: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718377 .
1720265;1507046041;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 20:08 asciilifeform: in other idiocies, https://archive.is/zI6Xm >> '... mysterious attacks that left diplomats with hearing damage and brain injuries, the State Department announced...' << somebody lock'em up in schizo ward, like they do to their victims back home, per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548698
1720266;1507046152;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720250 << midnightmagic when phuctor comes back you are welcome to search for keys, e.g., by fp, and see. i'm not sure what that gives you, though, re arguments re historical existence or nonexistence of some derp's key, he can always retort 'you deliberately lost it', etc
1720267;1507046152;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 15:11 midnightmagic: You'd told me after I uploaded the 4GB to you that you had an even earlier copy--and that's what I'm looking for. The phuctor dataset was something I saw you post a link to in the archive which Mircea kindly(?) suggested I look more closely at.
1720268;1507046168;asciilifeform;there is no such thing as an opposable nonexistence proof for a bitstring
1720269;1507046470;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720255 << lol!! 'dun ask whether this is a crock of shit, You Will Have Problems, instead ask whether fuhrer's decrees are being correctly carried out' >> and see also oblig. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-28#812963 .
1720270;1507046470;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 15:35 mircea_popescu: lishing those interests. In other words, courts ask whether the statute does what it was written to do."
1720271;1507046470;a111;Logged on 2014-08-28 02:09 asciilifeform: the book is quite like the 'rule of law is a myth' piece (http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm - linked here a few times) except that katz hasn't let go of his religion yet
1720272;1507046592;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720258 << whole ameri-edifice, from alimony to divorcetheft to childsupportism to harassmentism etc -- is specifically about handing out to the wives 'the freedom' to pantsuit. 'giving the wolf a spear' or what was the expression on mircea_popescu's planet.
1720273;1507046592;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 15:39 mircea_popescu: "option for the poor", dontchaknow, first and foremost the option to pretend that they're not poor because they suck ; that the reason kid now needs to beg for college moneys ISN'T that his mother failed at her fucking job, that had she been a non-suck wife she wouldn't have the fucking problem in the first place and so on.
1720274;1507046611;asciilifeform;'not bug -- feature'.
1720275;1507046798;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: Correct. However, if the data comes from, e.g. MIT server hosting, or if it comes from one of the SKS key server operators, then that's enough. I can point at that and say "look, more data that says the same thing."
1720276;1507046835;midnightmagic;Data which comes directly from me could just be edited. There is less chance that I am also an MIT sysop or whatever.
1720277;1507046884;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: so go and search mit's sks , why ask here.
1720278;1507046926;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: how would asciilifeform searching some item in his collection that isn't in mit's current one, help your arguments with whomever ?
1720279;1507047038;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: I was hoping you would just tell me where you got the earlier dataset, so I can also go there.
1720280;1507047093;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: The earlier dataset would just be evidence I didn't randomly edit mine, and thus prove that buddy probably didn't upload his key into the SKS set before that date. (Since SKS key server ops won't delete keys.)
1720281;1507047819;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: i do indeed have a 5G dump, mailed in by somebody with handle of 'goat', on oct 20 2013. it was among the first items fed into phuctor.
1720282;1507047831;asciilifeform;it is not afaik publicly hosted anywhere else.
1720283;1507047971;trinque;midnightmagic: when you gather all this proof and various washington posts are still running articles about hoaxatoshi (or the next), might ask yourself why.
1720284;1507047986;asciilifeform;^
1720285;1507048020;trinque;maybe you end up burning some fuel and shaving a few years off your orbit of the republic. who knows
1720286;1507048034;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718422
1720287;1507048034;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 23:46 mircea_popescu: somehow, and i have yuet to pierce this mystery, people on the side of pantsuit always assume they own the world, natively. whereas people on the side of the republic, at least verbally, always assume the opposite, and start derping about how i've to prove shit and so on.
1720288;1507048597;asciilifeform;!#s teaching the controversy
1720289;1507048598;a111;17 results for "teaching the controversy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=teaching%20the%20controversy
1720290;1507048606;asciilifeform;midnightmagic are you aware of ^ term of art ?
1720291;1507048658;asciilifeform;what the scammer specifically wants, is to put on you, somehow, the burden of searching for proof that he is a fraud. and when you fail to meet the arbitrary standard ( he will move it , as required ) , and you will, he ends up with free pr and 'legitimacy' etc
1720292;1507048693;asciilifeform;don't feed the birds.
1720293;1507048727;asciilifeform;see also canonical http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience .
1720294;1507048760;midnightmagic;"goat". doh. Okay. I wonder if that's Chaang-Noi. What the heck is he doing with the SKS keyset..
1720295;1507048769;asciilifeform;dun think it is the same one.
1720296;1507048787;asciilifeform;was some fella from comments on schneier's blog iirc.
1720297;1507048812;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: That's helpful. Thank you. \o
1720298;1507048823;midnightmagic;trinque: Yea. Yeah, pretty much.
1720299;1507050901;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719603 << to briefly revisit, i am broadly unconvinced the nashville vs new york tin pan alley dispute is more than two flavours of matriarchy battling it out.
1720300;1507050901;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 16:56 asciilifeform: 'country'
1720301;1507050952;mircea_popescu;basically, it's southern queenie, aka dependopotamus, dedicated to sensual pursuits such as being fat and chugging coors vs the nothern jap, aka pantsuited hilarity, the fonda line, whatever, dedicated to intellectual pursuits such as being appreciated.
1720302;1507051012;asciilifeform;there isn't a patriarchical sparta or whatever hidden somewhere in that box, no.
1720303;1507051022;mircea_popescu;yes "country is 90% male singers", but this don't figure much into anything. there exists the direct equivalent of the northern pure cuck, as typified by say the charles wilson muppet above in the south : a brawny, silent, "strong" type, the competent 50 yo male slave of various trilema aparitions.
1720304;1507051058;mircea_popescu;the dood that thinks he can't hit a woman, for instance. and assorted other bars in his equivalent cock cage.
1720305;1507051613;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this latter type crews, e.g., usg's army, dies for http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654 motherland
1720306;1507051613;a111;Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
1720307;1507051713;asciilifeform;( and after cashiered from army, goes immediately to work in police , or -- if ambitions -- in fed 'law' enforcements etc )
1720308;1507052455;mircea_popescu;aha
1720309;1507052483;asciilifeform;the ones no longer fit to ( or inclined to ) do wetwork, incidentally, still typically go on to desk federasties of various sorts
1720310;1507052503;asciilifeform;( they are hired preferentially )
1720311;1507052545;mircea_popescu;heck, they make lifetime slaves too, the sort that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702083
1720312;1507052545;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 16:59 mircea_popescu: the point is not without merit, though. ~all the competent, at artisan level, males, the dudes working leather and metal and wood and whatnot ~competently~ are virtually all 50 yo doods with very much a slave mentality.
1720313;1507052571;asciilifeform;mostly slaves for inca.
1720314;1507052586;mircea_popescu;for whoever makes some sense. please, someone. \
1720315;1507052680;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720283 << no, that's ok, he'll just come here now and again and say some words, it's all good.
1720316;1507052680;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 16:26 trinque: midnightmagic: when you gather all this proof and various washington posts are still running articles about hoaxatoshi (or the next), might ask yourself why.
1720317;1507052800;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom is just so much poppycock!
1720318;1507052979;asciilifeform;meanwhile ( expert entomologists only ! ) in breathtaking idiocies, https://archive.is/BLndG << anything, ANYTHING but fit-in-head!11
1720319;1507053006;trinque;switch to trilema buffer, boom! weechat crash.
1720320;1507053081;mircea_popescu;i thought it was because i said @ you
1720321;1507053108;asciilifeform;trinque: recall https://dl.packetstormsecurity.net/1704-advisories/dsa-3836-1.txt ?
1720322;1507053136;asciilifeform;where there is 1 cockroach, there is 11.
1720323;1507053161;trinque;yep, I hold the thing at arm's length
1720324;1507053176;mircea_popescu;"There were six hours during the night of April 10, 2014, when the entire population of Washington State had no 911 service." << vorwarts!
1720325;1507053252;mircea_popescu;"For the first time, there could be such a thing as a national 911 outage. There have now been four in as many years."
1720326;1507053255;mircea_popescu;and then they wanna argue.
1720327;1507053286;asciilifeform;gotta love the socialistoid bent of such articles : when, e.g., police dispatcher goes down, or self-driving coffins , whatevers, mega-disaster; but microshit's crafted prevention of civilized comp as a class, is business as usual and a-ok
1720328;1507053305;asciilifeform;( as pictured in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719 etc )
1720329;1507053320;mircea_popescu;the whole ourdemocracy approach is to never see anything but surfaces.
1720330;1507053323;mircea_popescu;there must be no depth to the world.
1720331;1507053696;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in very other olds, asciilifeform bites at his elbows, one of his coffinnotebook ideas, turns out , was in fact made long ago :
1720332;1507053698;asciilifeform;'We built a true alternating current (a.c.) battery that periodically reverses value and sign of its electromotive force (e.m.f.). This a.c. battery is an electrochemical concentration cell that consists of two coupled half cells in which identical oscillating Belousov-Zhabotinskii (BZ) reactions take place isothermally at 28.0°. The homogeneous BZ oscillations are phase shifted in order to create a potential difference between both
1720333;1507053698;asciilifeform; half cells. With an increasing load the phase shift between the two half cells decreases (i.e. both oscillations tend to synchronize), consequently the amplitude of the alternating current decreases while the amplitudes of the individual BZ-oscillators remain unaffected. '
1720334;1507053722;asciilifeform;Friedemaan W. Schneider, Marcus J. B. Hauser, Joachim Reising ; Berichte der Bunsengesellschaft für physikalische Chemie , january 1993 .
1720335;1507053735;mircea_popescu;ha
1720336;1507053786;asciilifeform;https://sci-hub.cc/http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bbpc.19930970111 << 1333337w4r3z (pdf!) for aficionados.
1720337;1507053851;asciilifeform;i actually considered own variant of this for 'chemical rng' , but realized that it is screamingly impractical
1720338;1507053878;asciilifeform;!#s bz reaction
1720339;1507053879;a111;1 result for "bz reaction", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bz%20reaction
1720340;1507053888;asciilifeform;hm could've sworn there was an entire thread...
1720341;1507054085;asciilifeform;'... Thus it should also be possible to construct, for example, a chaos-battery. Such work is in progress. '
1720342;1507054111;asciilifeform;!~google chaos battery
1720343;1507054112;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory Walkthrough - Battery - Visual ...: <http://www.visualwalkthroughs.com/splintercell/chaostheory/battery/battery.htm>; Longues-sur-Mer battery - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longues-sur-Mer_battery>; Swerdmurd - Chaos Battery - Listen on Deezer: <http://www.deezer.com/us/track/110016552>
1720344;1507054131;asciilifeform;evidently came to 0.
1720345;1507054270;asciilifeform;originally asciilifeform's interest in subj, will confess, was re 'uncopyable otp'.
1720346;1507054365;asciilifeform;( i.e. can you make a matched pair of otp such that 1) output is cryptoentropic 2) can only leave the device at particular baud rate , no matter what is done to it ? )
1720347;1507054467;asciilifeform;i.e. an otp that is intrinsically safe to transport.
1720348;1507054740;mircea_popescu;in so many words, no.
1720349;1507054757;asciilifeform;why so sure
1720350;1507054892;mircea_popescu;cuz it's patently a nonphysical object, what. seriously, fixed future ?
1720351;1507054930;asciilifeform;all you need is a physical process that is 1) repeatable, in that you can birth a matched pair of'em 2) cannot be substantially sped up
1720352;1507054944;mircea_popescu;not so.
1720353;1507054982;asciilifeform;hm?
1720354;1507054993;mircea_popescu;your original wanted unrewindability, also.
1720355;1507055015;mircea_popescu;1. unique ; 2. repeatable ; 3. unalterable (but 4. copyable)
1720356;1507055028;mircea_popescu;that's two mutually exclusive demands in one package.
1720357;1507055033;asciilifeform;i dun see why unrewindable. 'can't speed up' means enemy has nothing to rewind.
1720358;1507055043;asciilifeform;he gets 5 min alone with your parcel, all he sees is 5 min. of output.
1720359;1507055061;mircea_popescu;you make otp 1 and 2, and send 2 to china. i take 2 and make 3 and 4, pass off 3 as 2 and keep 4.
1720360;1507055084;asciilifeform;'make 3 and 4' means you got it to shit bits at > the specified rate.
1720361;1507055104;asciilifeform;( in the case of a typical recording medium -- all at once )
1720362;1507055104;mircea_popescu;no, it just means i copied it, thro9ugh the exact process you used to create the two in the first place.
1720363;1507055116;asciilifeform;if you can do that, you've definitionally departed from my #2
1720364;1507055179;asciilifeform;to reformulate -- is it possible to create an intrinsically nonrandomaccess 'slow tape'.
1720365;1507055197;mircea_popescu;yes.
1720366;1507055201;mircea_popescu;starmap is such a one.
1720367;1507055216;asciilifeform;dun make for crypto, though, for obvious reason
1720368;1507055221;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1720369;1507055222;asciilifeform;may as easily say 'stock market'
1720370;1507055234;mircea_popescu;or in other words, your design is nonsense. it demands mutually exclusive properties.
1720371;1507055245;asciilifeform;yer postulating the conclusion.
1720372;1507055248;asciilifeform;naughty.
1720373;1507055259;asciilifeform;whole q is whether they are contradictory. i say not.
1720374;1507055264;mircea_popescu;no. either it's "slow tape nonrandom access" or else it's "alf gets to fuck with it"
1720375;1507055283;mircea_popescu;there's no way to have alf nominated personally in the workings of physics, and thereby have a tape alf and alf alone can fuck with
1720376;1507055288;mircea_popescu;until he ascends, at least.
1720377;1507055308;asciilifeform;to demonstrate, here's a design for an object that meets the described spec , if p!=np :
1720378;1507055321;mircea_popescu;now this is interesting
1720379;1507055337;asciilifeform;consists of 1) an ordinary, trivially copied otp, e.g. a hdd full of fuckgoatsolade ;
1720380;1507055401;asciilifeform;2 ) a mechanism similar to bitcoin's sha2 pow, where it grinds out a collision , the number of ticks that it took, xor'd with pad loc i, then next i+1 , .... , until pad runs out.
1720381;1507055419;asciilifeform;now let's picture, enemy captures the box.
1720382;1507055423;mircea_popescu;there are no ticks irl.
1720383;1507055425;asciilifeform;he makes an exact copy.
1720384;1507055433;asciilifeform;'ticks' meaning how many increments of nonce here.
1720385;1507055440;mircea_popescu;alright.
1720386;1507055478;asciilifeform;now if we can put a bound on the enemy's advantage in calculating the (nonparallelizable, note, it should be clear why ) output -- we have the item.
1720387;1507055524;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. so you get hdd 1, make 5 copies, i capture one, start grinding it into an otp. so do you. if my computer is 10% faster i'll have the i+1 10% faster than you will.
1720388;1507055529;mircea_popescu;what exactly is so safe about this ?
1720389;1507055555;asciilifeform;it only becomes interesting if we can turn the 10 to a 0.
1720390;1507055565;asciilifeform;it is not necessarily impossible to do this.
1720391;1507055590;mircea_popescu;but your original claim, that "to demonstrate, here's a design for an object that meets the described spec , if p!=np :", crumbled under scrutiny.
1720392;1507055641;asciilifeform;i disagree that it crumbles : if you were to find a nonparallelizable trapdoor that no one is likely to outrun you in computing -- you have the item.
1720393;1507055677;mircea_popescu;and if all men were the same height how would women choose.
1720394;1507055774;asciilifeform;there does exist such a thing as a physical limit.
1720395;1507055860;mircea_popescu;and in other sweet little nothings, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e03a8bb64ed31e87aecdd2c8772eaecf/tumblr_nmb17do3dm1tw52ilo1_400.gif
1720396;1507055880;asciilifeform;lolswordswallower
1720397;1507056470;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> 90s a lot dumber than originally thought, in the us. << Pantsuit was president. Bill just sorta decoration to quiet the rednecks
1720398;1507056497;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-488152.txt
1720399;1507056525;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: another hypothetical 'near solution' would be a well-boobytrapped package containing remanence-free ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656777 scheme ) sram with otp
1720400;1507056525;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 01:51 asciilifeform: if i were drawing up such a thing, i'd even have the sram work in such a way that 10 is a 1 on odd clock cycles, 0 on even
1720401;1507056699;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and since we're doing amusings -- i wonder why exactly hasn't the "alt right" picked up on JESUIT heritage to bitch and whine about ? it's just about the core of modern pantsuitism, it was historically oppressed specifically for pantsuitism, and when i say historically i mean centuries not decades, why exactly nobody knows enough to say "the jesuits will not replace us" ? << The Return of Kink thing has done some jesuit
1720402;1507056699;BingoBoingo;criticism, dunno how far it's going to go
1720403;1507056709;asciilifeform;for sake of argument, pour it (+ power source) into glass globe. if package detects that temp is too far from room, or that the globe got smaller in any axis ( e.g. internal refraction will change ) -- blows the sram.
1720404;1507056745;asciilifeform;if operating normally, however -- pisses out, say, byte/sec optically through glass.
1720405;1507056976;asciilifeform;note that these 'tanks' do not have to be impregnable, in order to work. if the enemy has a 1 in 10 chance of breaking it -- send a crate with 100 and xor'em. for so long as it is easier for you to make'em than for him to crack'em, by a wide margin, he is fucked
1720406;1507057036;asciilifeform;if he fails to silently break even ~one~, you have a working otp !
1720407;1507057513;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> in the sense court will order you to support college kid. << Fambly court will
1720408;1507057966;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it may surprise you to know that i've no bear traps laying about the house ; not even in dungeon.
1720409;1507057975;mircea_popescu;it's an intrinsically unsafe thing, this boobytrap bs.
1720410;1507058002;asciilifeform;not the detonating sort of trap, but the key-wipin' sort
1720411;1507058018;mircea_popescu;that';d be better.
1720412;1507058028;asciilifeform;that's what i specified, thought it was obvious.
1720413;1507058028;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo a hey, so not completely clueless then. good to know.
1720414;1507058071;phf;i believe we had a booby trap thread, about putting grenades into those reinforced 90s doors
1720415;1507058102;mircea_popescu;"does this boob implant come in black and also smokeless powder variants ???"
1720416;1507058112;asciilifeform;phf: not only schematic above dun explode, but ideally it would not even zero key, but rngize, so enemy has nfi whether trap sprung or not
1720417;1507058153;mircea_popescu;this'd be a helluva device, incidentally, for teh wife bimbofication process. "congrats on your new 1150 ml funbags hon, and remember, if they detect the wrong hand..."
1720418;1507058170;asciilifeform;lol! as pictured in that story aha
1720419;1507058170;phf;asciilifeform: that i figured out, the whole contraption reminds me of that ru anti-temper device pdf that you posted recently
1720420;1507058191;mircea_popescu;500ml of powder should make a decent hole / tear an arm off.
1720421;1507058198;asciilifeform;phf: lose-key-if-tampered is only practical with remanence-free sram. which afaik exists only here in the l0gz and nowhere else.
1720422;1507058203;asciilifeform;so there is no state of the art.
1720423;1507058226;mircea_popescu;moreover, what's to keep your glass ball from rowhammer.
1720424;1507058240;asciilifeform;um the fact that enemy can't address it ?
1720425;1507058246;asciilifeform;it pisses bits one by one, take no input.
1720426;1507058251;asciilifeform;*takes
1720427;1507058263;mircea_popescu;but it still consists of electric charge geometrically arranged.
1720428;1507058292;asciilifeform;the addressing sequence is fixed. can't rearrange the circuit without busting the physical package.
1720429;1507058337;mircea_popescu;well, first step to instrumentation is modelling it on your own whiteboard.
1720430;1507058355;asciilifeform;btw rowhammer dun apply to sram.
1720431;1507058357;asciilifeform;intrinsically.
1720432;1507058399;asciilifeform;( enemy still dun get to address it, because that's the whole point of the glass, to make the 'you get 1 bit at a time' thing happen )
1720433;1507058456;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, anyone familiar with the early anti-pot hearst smear campaigns ? (1930s). it's a long string of, basically, "do you want your daugther sucking mexican cock ? and corrupting her sister to participate in wild orgies? ?!?! !!?!?!? "
1720434;1507058481;asciilifeform;'reefer madness' (tm)(r)
1720435;1507058485;mircea_popescu;aha.
1720436;1507058793;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X82zLM0oUY << featuring kristen bell in leather
1720437;1507058813;ben_vulpes;no tits, tho iirc
1720438;1507058840;mircea_popescu;the sad macula of modernity is that even liz taylor's tits seem small.
1720439;1507058930;ben_vulpes;(also starring steven weber, who also starred in the never-spoken-about-again pilot of 'being bin laden' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5o8jYNBORU )
1720440;1507058935;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : reflections in a golden eye feature the harlot a) naked b) talking hardcore bdsm with an even more potato-y than usual brando and c) engaging in some public caning
1720441;1507060270;mircea_popescu;ahaha this is fucking hysterical.
1720442;1507060361;mircea_popescu;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719082 here we encounter the example :  https://elaineou.com/2014/06/04/google-shopping-express-and-the-future-of-on-demand-delivery/
1720443;1507060361;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 04:20 elaineo: as a resident of the SF bay area, i appreciate all the VC-subsidized free shit
1720444;1507060364;mircea_popescu;money shot : "Because my order came from nine different stores, eight separate vehicles showed up at our offices. Only eight, because my Teriyaki Yakisoba from Smart & Final was canceled from the SF order: Out of Stock in Daly City. I received that same item in my Mountain View order, because it was still in stock in San Mateo. Not a single cracker was broken!Not a single cracker was broken! In SF, three drivers showed up one
1720445;1507060364;mircea_popescu; at a time with our chips, crackers, and ramen, over a span of 4 hours. I received an email saying my Monster Energy Drink had been delivered, but nobody had shown up with it. I sent an email inquiry."
1720446;1507060375;mircea_popescu;fucking imagine this, eight cars showing up to bring you individually wrapped cheezits.
1720447;1507060404;asciilifeform;old hat, asciilifeform routinely orders single screws, nuts, on lolazon etc
1720448;1507060427;asciilifeform;they show up next day's lunch.
1720449;1507060445;mircea_popescu;i can already smell the steak. it will be beef, corn on the cobb, a bottle of fine wine and mushroom sauce.
1720450;1507060448;asciilifeform;( often in, yes, separate couriers. why -- is mystery )
1720451;1507060457;mircea_popescu;if these were delivered individually by as many cars i'd be shooting someone.
1720452;1507060489;mircea_popescu;terrifyingly inconvenient way to live wtf.
1720453;1507060507;asciilifeform;vs what, vs having servant fetch whole thing for you and serve on silver tray ?
1720454;1507060509;asciilifeform;yes inconvenient
1720455;1507060516;asciilifeform;vs doing it with own hands -- convenient.
1720456;1507060536;mircea_popescu;if i actually needed so many different kinds of screws as to make keeping stocks untenable i'd review the whole process and take out some screw types.
1720457;1507060565;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's wrong with just buying a pallet of new england original oyster flavoured crackers ?
1720458;1507060573;asciilifeform;the only way to optimize a ~research~ conveyor, rather than production, is to simply stock massive qty of everything under the sun
1720459;1507060581;asciilifeform;which is what asciilifeform more or less tends to do.
1720460;1507060587;asciilifeform;but the house ain't infinite.
1720461;1507060597;mircea_popescu;no research is involved in any of this. FMCG, 100% of it.
1720462;1507060642;mircea_popescu;blue diamond roasted almonds.
1720463;1507060673;asciilifeform;example. recently asciilifeform needed a cr1220 battery. they keep - theoretically - for decade on shelf. in practice, few yrs ( chinese ). 0 source of these within a day's drive . so ordered, and next day it was in.
1720464;1507060679;asciilifeform;what part of this is optimizable ?
1720465;1507060722;asciilifeform;'don't keep machinery that wants 1220 ' lol goodluck
1720466;1507060745;asciilifeform;not everything is fungible, esp if budget is made of something other than rubber
1720467;1507060763;asciilifeform;the instrument you have is the one you have, and it wants a 1220 batt. nao wat.
1720468;1507060947;*;mod6 orders twinkie
1720469;1507060975;asciilifeform;and yes lolazon et al are in business because folx order twinkies, not because asciilifeform orders cr1220.
1720470;1507060996;asciilifeform;( i suspect this is an exact rerun of the ebay thread, so i'll stop here for nao )
1720471;1507063638;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rather.
1720472;1507063764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, as a long term customer maybe worth your while to write heartfelt letter to jdw character ?
1720473;1507063766;asciilifeform;and iirc we also had thread re how crapple is not in business because asciilifeform reads trb coad and 1970s 'химия и жизнь' on a crappad
1720474;1507063786;mircea_popescu;it's hard to deny the community of goals, and dood's been doing this since bbs days
1720475;1507063792;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly. 1st i gotta figure out whether i already did this, lol
1720476;1507063845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do you suppose i should say to him ?
1720477;1507063866;mircea_popescu;~only pill, dubious as it is, against the "and it will" part of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720015
1720478;1507063866;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 03:06 asciilifeform: when it finally rots to unusability -- and it will -- it will be an epic sad to asciilifeform .
1720479;1507063896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that look there's this tmsr thing and why isn't he in there and look how well his things fit to our things.
1720480;1507063932;*;asciilifeform puts this item on conveyor.
1720481;1507064015;asciilifeform;speaking of olden days, whatever happened to the anon.penet.fi d00d ?
1720482;1507064027;asciilifeform;after, i mean, his thrashing by usg
1720483;1507064056;asciilifeform;where did this 'community of goals' go. the one from those days.
1720484;1507064083;asciilifeform;or, take more recent : where is ladar levison ?
1720485;1507064109;asciilifeform;...they sank into a bog? really, all of'em ??
1720486;1507064298;asciilifeform;http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/fall96/0092.html << 1 often-forgotten detail re penet
1720487;1507064455;asciilifeform;!~google Johan Helsingius
1720488;1507064456;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Johan Helsingius - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Helsingius>; Anonymously Yours- An Interview with Johan Helsingius . | WIRED: <https://www.wired.com/1994/06/anonymous-1/>; Johan 'Julf' Helsingius Appointed as Chairman of BaseN's Board of ...: <http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/johan-julf-helsingius-appointed-as-chairman-of-basens-board-of-directors-580792341.ht
1720489;1507064532;asciilifeform;'BaseN, Global IoT Operator, is delighted to announce the appointment of Mr. Johan Helsingius as the new Chairman of the Board of Directors as of May 23, 2016. He has served as a board member since 2002. Johan Helsingius founded the first major commercial ISP in Finland, EUnet, and co-founded the first pan-European ISP, EUnet International. He held the position of Executive Vice President and Chief Technology Officer at largest pan-E
1720490;1507064533;asciilifeform;uropean IP Carrier KPNQwest. He has received the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Pioneer Award...'
1720491;1507064547;asciilifeform;'BaseN, established in 2001, is the inherently scalable computing Platform for hosting billions of spimes, the core objects of the Internet of Things'
1720492;1507064555;asciilifeform;sad.
1720493;1507064578;asciilifeform;zimmermanned.
1720494;1507071494;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> ...they sank into a bog? really, all of'em ?? << yeah ; meanwhile "uber is worth 100 bn". because why ? it's still the same shitty groupon of no margins in a rtight market as it was back when the principals were stealing cereal from supermarkets and people said https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/uber0.png
1720495;1507071519;mircea_popescu;what, the loud nonsense of http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/#selection-159.66-159.71 and well-placed spammers/fraudsters like http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ changed something ?
1720496;1507071544;mircea_popescu;no, "those" "sank into swamp" whereas every last hoaxtoshi, ripple, women's rights and black lives matter is "worth" all the moneyz.
1720497;1507071546;mircea_popescu;problem ?
1720498;1507071777;mircea_popescu;again and again it goes back to that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719978 ; for as long as you read beobachter it will be a case that groupon is a great victory of socialism and nobody heard of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-27#811981
1720499;1507071777;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 02:43 mircea_popescu: iirc this was even broken on ro trilema at some ancient point, to usual chorus of "but what proof do you have this proof you have is proofing" and other theguardianisms.
1720500;1507071777;a111;Logged on 2014-08-27 05:22 mircea_popescu: vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel.
1720501;1507072271;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in grainy black-and-white teenage interest,  http://78.media.tumblr.com/38ddc93cb51ebedb94df8d46d637847f/tumblr_nqmypnYnWn1u3sqw6o1_1280.jpg
1720502;1507074952;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, "That’s not very nice. Studies have shown that female leaders are less ego-driven and more risk-averse than men. So a woman-led corporation may be less likely to take over the world, but also less likely to go the way of Enron."
1720503;1507074979;asciilifeform;the way of yahoo
1720504;1507075040;mircea_popescu;EXCEPT, of course, that those "studies" were done on sophomoric psychology students from cheapo colleges, who were told to pretend they're leaders. except they're ~actually~ housewives, and only there for exactly the reason described in https://elaineou.com/2014/06/16/100-percent-men/
1720505;1507075066;mircea_popescu;as it turnsd out this is instinctual female behaviour, seeing how it's equally in the mind of egyptian subsistence nobodies and chinese immigrant to us.
1720506;1507075146;mircea_popescu;meanwhile as alf actually points out, whenever one makes the mistake of promoting female to irl leadership position, the result is overambitious ineptitude as perhaps best depicted by https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6134/5978837887_1b76b0e92e_b.jpg
1720507;1507075164;mircea_popescu;pro tip : guess what the mousy walflower with no tits and 0 sexual market value did with her life ?
1720508;1507075201;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's right. "leadership". of the batshit insane rather than risk averse, utterly scandalous nonsense rather than not ego-driven.
1720509;1507075211;mircea_popescu;(yes, that's nancy pelosi.)
1720510;1507075221;asciilifeform;what's the other one
1720511;1507075226;mircea_popescu;liz taylor.
1720512;1507075620;mircea_popescu;https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2012/10/06/official-uk-government-attempt-at-censorship/ << in other lulz.
1720513;1507075663;mircea_popescu;the TWIST however, is that the bad guys (uk govt) are trying to protect not "officials" but private individuals, from a crazed online campaign by the usual pantsuit. at stakle is the culling of badgers, which are common pests, and as animals have no rights.
1720514;1507075845;asciilifeform;http://www.badger-killers.co.uk << the site in question .
1720515;1507075859;asciilifeform;'buy this domain'
1720516;1507075865;mircea_popescu;heh
1720517;1507075866;asciilifeform;already hollowed out, seems.
1720518;1507075873;mircea_popescu;well this was a 2012 item
1720519;1507075892;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/GR8td << cache
1720520;1507075929;asciilifeform;lulzy
1720521;1507075940;asciilifeform;reminds me, did they ever unban the fox hunt over there ?
1720522;1507075946;mircea_popescu;nah.
1720523;1507075965;asciilifeform;why foxes -- have 'rights', and badgers not.
1720524;1507075973;mircea_popescu;they do not.
1720525;1507075979;mircea_popescu;uktards are just dumb.
1720526;1507075997;asciilifeform;but apparently not consistently ?
1720527;1507076024;mircea_popescu;ya well.
1720528;1507076037;mircea_popescu;"Our intention is to patrol the cull zones and using Cree LED torches and noise disrupt the illegal shooting of badgers, We will assume that all shooting is illegal until we have been notified by a government body that a farm is licensed. When we have been notified of which specific farms within the zone are legal we will monitor the cull & using Cree LED torches and noise notify marksmen of our presence, not to disrupt the s
1720529;1507076037;mircea_popescu;hooting but to make sure everyone is safe. Please read our legal guide to understand the laws and stay within them." << teh strong scent of anal childhood, "lalala we are calling it something else!!!"
1720530;1507076068;mircea_popescu;overpowering in that earlier piece re stealing people's money to promote ideas of social engineering that the govt doesn't actually have the guts to put in the budget and tax for.
1720531;1507076077;asciilifeform;we have (had?) these folx here in usa. they're the reason why there were armed guards at the rat house at asciilifeform's old lab.
1720532;1507076091;mircea_popescu;"oh, property is not a fundamental right ; but not forcing randos to give it away to our friends may create problems of a most ethereal nature!!11"
1720533;1507076166;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sounds almost as if their object were to catch a stray bullet here an' there and then blame hunters
1720534;1507076169;mircea_popescu;and in other important business news, http://www.businessinsider.com/snapchat-ceo-my-emails-dont-reflect-my-view-towards-women-2014-5
1720535;1507076202;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the object of the anal child is to prove to the world that there is no such thing as his father taking him behind the shed and killingh him with a blunt shovel.
1720536;1507076213;mircea_popescu;all other behaviours allign around this.
1720537;1507076261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but note that the evan spiegel response is not "so ? do you have a sister ?" but "oh im so ashamed of having pissed into lilly's butt-mouth"
1720538;1507076354;asciilifeform;'deeply regrets' lol
1720539;1507076367;asciilifeform;'cofounder of $2 billion photo application'
1720540;1507076385;mircea_popescu;in the sense of hooli having put 2bn worth of bezzle through this particular set of papers.
1720541;1507076390;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1720542;1507076393;mircea_popescu;he's worth not enough to buy me a drink irl.
1720543;1507076398;asciilifeform;not even 2bil toothpicks
1720544;1507076428;asciilifeform;i suspect 2bil toothpicks , if actually possessed and wielded, would buy something above this nonsense
1720545;1507076451;mircea_popescu;well, bunch of small items is a popular mid-course anal stretching prop.
1720546;1507076464;mircea_popescu;prolly not toothpicks, but a lot of thin pens works well.
1720547;1507076485;asciilifeform;lessay each is worth a tenth of a penny,
1720548;1507076497;asciilifeform;!~calc 1e9 * 0.001
1720549;1507076498;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 1e9 * 0.001 = 1000000
1720550;1507076501;asciilifeform;buxorz.
1720551;1507076501;mircea_popescu;you don't understand consumer goods.
1720552;1507076520;mircea_popescu;toothpicks with demand are worth 20 bux per 500, and without demand are worth negative 100 dollars per ton to store.
1720553;1507076534;asciilifeform;troo, they takeupspace.
1720554;1507076537;mircea_popescu;it's a very sharp curve, like 1/log(x)*sqrt(x)
1720555;1507076563;asciilifeform;hence why i said 'wielded'
1720556;1507076574;mircea_popescu;owniong many toothpics is exactly equivalent to owning an option.
1720557;1507076590;mircea_popescu;but w/o the implicit underside protection of options. if you're lucky they expire worthless.
1720558;1507076769;asciilifeform;yea makes sense.
1720559;1507077094;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in exciting discoveries, http://78.media.tumblr.com/a17587d71f79a3a06e58ecd93736ff1d/tumblr_nqybldNGlF1uyasupo1_500.gif
1720560;1507077569;asciilifeform;in other olds, http://oeis.org/A001608 .
1720561;1507077613;mircea_popescu;this is a gfx thingee
1720562;1507077639;asciilifeform;hm?
1720563;1507080321;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the series is used in some graphical engine testing
1720564;1507080330;mircea_popescu;"worst case", sorta like the memory checker patterns
1720565;1507080528;mircea_popescu;trinque is rss still iffy ?
1720566;1507080778;mircea_popescu;and in other important california contributions to world-everything,  https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/drugrabbit.png
1720567;1507081023;mircea_popescu;for they with closure experience : https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/shyp-jobs.png
1720568;1507082124;trinque;eh yup, looks like it is. giving it a look.
1720569;1507083076;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/ << Ossasepia - Some Costs of Importing Randomness
1720570;1507083201;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-september-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), September 2017 Statement
1720571;1507083949;trinque;appears to have been gagged on a uniturd. thing's due for a rewrite from python to the new lispy stuff.
1720572;1507083974;trinque;pretty sure I've fixed the uniturd removal for now.
1720573;1507084021;trinque;feeds and deeds are gonna get rewritten as part of connecting them to the wallet service.
1720574;1507084088;trinque;once pay-per-lever-pull is solid, plenty of places to go from there.
1720575;1507084569;mircea_popescu;a cool
1720576;1507084581;mircea_popescu;incidentally trinque you got some kind of continuance in place ?
1720577;1507085581;trinque;there's the usual stream of backups; as for bus factor, machine-wise the strategy is ever-easier deploys. in regards to my own pulse, was thinking of giving ben_vulpes a holler, so might as well bring it up now.
1720578;1507085934;mircea_popescu;i would ~really hate~ having to redo the whole deedbot stack (deeds, wot AND payments) in the manner we had to redo btcalpha when mike got sucked back into fiatlife.
1720579;1507085967;mircea_popescu;then again, i would also really hate fucking with a man's work ; so find something that works for you while it doesn't expose us to that downside.
1720580;1507086118;trinque;I'm a stubborn bastard, dead or not.
1720581;1507086128;trinque;most of this bot is still intended to be vpatched and released
1720582;1507086385;trinque;as for getting sucked back into the fiat world, bot runs on my oath, or passed to someone who can.
1720583;1507086464;trinque;speaking of the fiat world, I recently spent an obscene amount of bezzlars working on granting a fella shares in a garden variety llc
1720584;1507086496;trinque;my how the fruits of this land entice
1720585;1507086760;trinque;well and meanwhile the bot threatens to end up a business. a backups service was only the most obvious and low-hanging one that came to mind.
1720586;1507086789;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-4#215335 << happy to help
1720587;1507086790;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-10-04 02:45 trinque: there's the usual stream of backups; as for bus factor, machine-wise the strategy is ever-easier deploys. in regards to my own pulse, was thinking of giving ben_vulpes a holler, so might as well bring it up now.
1720588;1507086800;trinque;the deposit fee isn't meant to be more than a baseline "help keep the lights on" source of revenue.
1720589;1507086855;ben_vulpes;i could probably boot a duplicate of your stack, wallet excepted, in a reasonably short period of time
1720590;1507086863;ben_vulpes;provided you sent me some code
1720591;1507086883;trinque;great. I'll get you that soon.
1720592;1507086900;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-4#215345 << usgistani corporation types and tax optimization is the fucking worst and most terrible vogonic poetry.
1720593;1507086900;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-10-04 03:00 trinque: speaking of the fiat world, I recently spent an obscene amount of bezzlars working on granting a fella shares in a garden variety llc
1720594;1507089388;BingoBoingo;Anyone know any good resources for learning the Khmer language?
1720595;1507096557;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-04#1720585 << i can't see why it wouldn't!
1720596;1507096557;a111;Logged on 2017-10-04 03:12 trinque: well and meanwhile the bot threatens to end up a business. a backups service was only the most obvious and low-hanging one that came to mind.
1720597;1507096699;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-04#1720594 << yes. http://cambodiapussy.com/girls/IMG_C%20108.jpg
1720598;1507096699;a111;Logged on 2017-10-04 03:56 BingoBoingo: Anyone know any good resources for learning the Khmer language?
1720599;1507098309;BingoBoingo;In other news Ulbricht moved to USP Florence, High which places him in shadow of Ted Kaczynsk's digs at ADX Florence. Coincidentally he signed away his objection to the proceeds of those silk road auctions.
1720600;1507099844;mircea_popescu;heh
1720601;1507100382;mircea_popescu;and in other car trunks, http://68.media.tumblr.com/88f97d5ad81d3599739f277c2cb146a8/tumblr_nn9n846r7q1r9rafco2_1280.jpg
1720602;1507101635;mircea_popescu;in typical sv "useful", http://prismatic.github.io/next-chapter/
1720603;1507101643;mircea_popescu;the thing only croaked 3 years ago.
1720604;1507109575;midnightmagic;argh their waists are so tiny
1720605;1507128002;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/04/so-you-want-your-kid-to-be-a-doctor-when-he-grows-up/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - So you want your kid to be a doctor when he grows up
1720606;1507128984;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, the cia's own manual of recommendable interaction with the usg reich : https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/CleanedUOSSSimpleSabotage_sm.pdf
1720607;1507129021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's a classic, was reprinted by, e.g., paladin
1720608;1507129034;asciilifeform;passed around in kid w4r3z for two decades nao
1720609;1507129094;mircea_popescu;i live a sheltered existence among women, cutt off from the boyish universe ;/
1720610;1507129127;asciilifeform;also i will note, the ru works in this genre, are to slightly higher standard.
1720611;1507129132;*;shinohai also remembers the aboves inclusion in w4rebookz
1720612;1507129178;asciilifeform;'Post office employees can see to it that enemy mall is always delayed by one day or more, that it is put in wrong sacks, and so on.' << hey apparently my postman read this!11!
1720613;1507129230;mircea_popescu;kinda why i linked it, lotta lulzy nonsense in that vein.
1720614;1507129284;asciilifeform;'Anyone can break up a showing of an enemy propaganda film by putting two or three dozen large moths in a paper bag. Take the bag to the movies with you, put it on the floor in an empty section of the theater as you go in and leave it open. The moths will fly out and climb into the projector beam, so that the film will be obscured by fluttering shadows.'
1720615;1507129304;asciilifeform;whoever was paid to write this item, must've had a real riot of a time.
1720616;1507129319;shinohai;"Top work Smith!"
1720617;1507129352;mircea_popescu;https://elaineou.com/2015/10/28/startup-self-immolation/ << remember 2013 ? back when dimon had the unmitigated audacity to claim bitcoin is "a scam" and "has no value" while providing "Banking services" and a hiring pool to the likes of ycombinator, and other such scams with no value ?
1720618;1507129378;mircea_popescu;somehow, they don't perceive the need to PROOVE today, preferably before this court, that they aren't a scam and have some value.
1720619;1507129382;mircea_popescu;i wonder how the fuck that is.
1720620;1507131053;asciilifeform;https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/crap2.png << in other lulz
1720621;1507131162;mircea_popescu;pretty entertaining blog huh.
1720622;1507132029;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, rando sent me "seo report" re trilema that shows my "organic competitors" whatever that is. they are, in order : google, youtube, wikipedia, reddit and facebook.
1720623;1507132100;mircea_popescu;the true lulz begins however when one digs into wtf is this shit, and discovers that out of google's 255.8 mn keywords (really ? how the fuck, they've one page they publish bad atari porn on) we share 56 ; whereas out of facebook's 63.9 mn (really ? the place where everyone goes to spew has less diversity than google by a factor of 4 ?!) we share... 13.
1720624;1507132175;mircea_popescu;if this truly reflects some kind of machine classification, i suspect i should be pretty fucking flattered. how the fuck do you even end up SO far out there, overlap is in the 0.00002%s
1720625;1507133752;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha, check out the zombie lulz cow : http://observer.com/2015/08/why-i-stopped-angel-investing-and-you-should-never-start/
1720626;1507133766;mircea_popescu;this guy is like the generation's unintentional comedy goldmine
1720627;1507133955;mircea_popescu;maybe they make tuckie beer to go with the 70s billy beer.
1720628;1507135361;mircea_popescu;and in other SV lulz : Scott Banister @nist "Angel investor. Fan of the original open-source operating system: the US Constitution. Member of Altruists for Ayn Rand. Adventist. Married to @cyantist." VS Cyan Banister @cyantist "genderqueer, libertarian, atheist, adult freedom fighter, friend, silly person, partner in life with @nist, partner at founders fund."
1720629;1507135383;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many people in the us are married to someone who is partnered with them ; and related observances.
1720630;1507135698;asciilifeform;meanwhile, on the planet of terrible ocr's, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/YH0vF/?raw=true << reality winner 'evidence' : ohnoez, illicit googlesearchstrings ; http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vNGBm/?raw=true << jailhouse phone tap output
1720631;1507135733;mircea_popescu;wait, they want to convict her on the basis of having listened in to her phone after having arrested her for the thing they're ostensibly trying to convict her of ?
1720632;1507135752;asciilifeform;( originals, for the truly dedicated entomologist, are on shittome )
1720633;1507135769;mircea_popescu;"your honor, this person is guilty of our having put her in jail for suspecting her of x crime, therefore please find she is guilty of x"
1720634;1507135771;asciilifeform;and naturally. apparently flies.
1720635;1507135783;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy.
1720636;1507135798;mircea_popescu;what should i google to be a spy too ?
1720637;1507135812;asciilifeform;'googled for 'mujahed', guilty, next'
1720638;1507135907;mircea_popescu;srsly ?
1720639;1507135916;asciilifeform;evidently
1720640;1507135927;mircea_popescu;all i get is a wikipedia page.
1720641;1507135962;mircea_popescu;o wait... I THINK I FOUND THE GOLDSTEIN!
1720642;1507135963;mircea_popescu; https://www.facebook.com/public/Mujahed-Ahmed
1720643;1507136032;mircea_popescu;fwiw, "how to donate bitcoin to isis" returns 5 results in .63 seconds (yay!), a newsweek piece from august and some random crap.
1720644;1507136108;mircea_popescu;the source being actually https://www.cfr.org/article/bitcoin-bombs
1720645;1507136114;BingoBoingo;In other sads, Paladin Press closing at end of year https://www.paladin-press.com/
1720646;1507136169;mircea_popescu;this is all about as retarded as the average alt-scam. "here's a grainy pic of some dudes holding aks and random tattoo squiggles, send $$$ to this address."
1720647;1507136185;mircea_popescu;what, because visual association ?
1720648;1507136211;BingoBoingo;Well, if you send $$$ they send you book with more grainy pics
1720649;1507136310;mircea_popescu;such win
1720650;1507136316;asciilifeform;paladin has been going down the toilet for yearz
1720651;1507136351;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, gothamgal ( http://gothamgal.com/ ) is now doing food and clothing. i guess that whole thing about women "in tech" eventually finding their own level wasn't that much off the mark was it.
1720652;1507136406;*;mircea_popescu is slightly envious of the cheap plastic cafeteria trays and the bounties therein. if only such vehemently delicious pork sausages were available anywhere but in honk gonk.
1720653;1507136486;mircea_popescu;otherwise, "When you fly into NYC from anywhere and land at any of our major airports, it is always shocking how rundown our airports are, just like our subways, in a city that is the epicenter of the world.  Every major industry has a foothold here.  Watching the rise of homeless on the street and seeing the earth be very angry from hurricanes to earthquakes to fires, just makes me feel extremely unsettled and worried about
1720654;1507136486;mircea_popescu;the future."
1720655;1507136489;mircea_popescu;very soviet experience.
1720656;1507137594;asciilifeform;'seeing the earth be very angry from hurricanes to earthquakes to fires'
1720657;1507137778;mircea_popescu;this is the intellectual level of the "venture capitalist".
1720658;1507137788;mircea_popescu;one step away from sacrifices to mother-goddess.
1720659;1507137860;mircea_popescu;come to think about it, this is probably the best illustration of us "venture capital" : http://68.media.tumblr.com/e58b026b7e58696272761c3bf4aef8cc/tumblr_nro09h7hdu1sjunbeo1_1280.jpg
1720660;1507137868;asciilifeform;0 step away
1720661;1507137900;mircea_popescu;the galz are "investing" in each other.
1720662;1507138222;asciilifeform;from rw omg111criminal googlings, 'palestine jobs' 'living in palestine' 'afghanistan jobs' 'living in afghanistan' 'kabul university' 'how to get rid of all your stuff' 'how to support anonymous' 'how to join anonymous' [ long list of usg linguist job postings in orcistans ]
1720663;1507138246;mircea_popescu;lmao
1720664;1507138258;mircea_popescu;the pantsuit fucktards are really this delulded, aren't they.
1720665;1507138261;asciilifeform;picture this chix, 'tell me, o usg oracle ! how to escape usg and my own skin'
1720666;1507138280;mircea_popescu;YO! NOBODY FUCKING WANTS YOU! NOBODY, ANYWHERE, WILL EVEN TAKE YOU! NOT FOR SOUP, NOT FOR ANYTHING! GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELVES.
1720667;1507138288;asciilifeform;or alternatively perl script genned.
1720668;1507138301;mircea_popescu;the sheer derealization going on in their skulls.
1720669;1507138319;mircea_popescu;this shithead actually imagines not that she has a market value above 0, but that she has a value above 0 in all markets!
1720670;1507138330;asciilifeform;iirc there was a photo, she was serviceable
1720671;1507138331;mircea_popescu;like, someone in pakistan will hire reality winner.
1720672;1507138349;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you know what the price of a woman UNDER TWENTY is in the meat trade ?
1720673;1507138367;asciilifeform;lolhowwouldiknow
1720674;1507138375;mircea_popescu;let me tell you then : a few hundred dollars.
1720675;1507138386;asciilifeform;white meat ?
1720676;1507138433;mircea_popescu;today, same as what it was back when you could buy croatian virgins in the 90s, same as it was back when you could buy twelve year olds directly from the un peacekept darfour, the exact fucking same as what it'd have cost to buy a gypsy girl in 1800s bucharest, or 1600s charlottesville, or for fucks sake, in 200 ad rome :
1720677;1507138453;mircea_popescu;about 8 to 10 grams of gold.
1720678;1507138460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no such thing as white.
1720679;1507138473;asciilifeform;wouldja stick it in a darfour, mircea_popescu ? srsly ?
1720680;1507138476;mircea_popescu;white means "affluent whie male", not cunt.
1720681;1507138494;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you know what color the veal was that made your steak ?
1720682;1507138508;mircea_popescu;do brown cows make coffee and white cows milk in your world ?
1720683;1507138511;mircea_popescu;there is no white.
1720684;1507138512;asciilifeform;in fact not. but i do know that it had meat on its bones, say.
1720685;1507138522;mircea_popescu;all women bought by weight are nonwhite by that fact.
1720686;1507138527;mircea_popescu;whiteness is not a matter of skin color.
1720687;1507138582;asciilifeform;i seem to recall a mircea_popescu article re old white chixen in egypt
1720688;1507138597;mircea_popescu;AFFLUENT.
1720689;1507138604;asciilifeform;hm.
1720690;1507138605;mircea_popescu;whiteness means property and penis. nothing else.
1720691;1507138632;mircea_popescu;if you're poor, you're not white. if you're a cuck, you're not white. if you've got money and guts, you'll be white no matter what. othello is my witness.
1720692;1507138681;asciilifeform;soo why did turkish slave-harvesters go north, into europistan, rather than south into monkeystan ?
1720693;1507138684;mircea_popescu;and as a side-point to all of this : there's about 155 tons of gold in the world. this means that any female past the 19`405`500th is actually inflationary.
1720694;1507138725;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why do they raise holsteins in preference of angus ?
1720695;1507138735;mircea_popescu;some do. those that do, do. some don't -- and they... don't.
1720696;1507138788;asciilifeform;upstack, if mircea_popescu says he wouldn't buy an rw -- i'll believe
1720697;1507138803;mircea_popescu;rw ?
1720698;1507138812;asciilifeform;realitywinner
1720699;1507138824;*;asciilifeform can't get enuff of the name, simply chokes
1720700;1507138828;mircea_popescu;actually i wouldn't take one for free.
1720701;1507138833;mircea_popescu;heck, i wouldn't take much better ones for free.
1720702;1507138914;asciilifeform;for sake of argument, why do you suppose she'd be any harder to reformat and re-os than the other chix ?
1720703;1507138924;mircea_popescu;evidently. she's 25.
1720704;1507138944;asciilifeform;i thought those were still formattable
1720705;1507138954;mircea_popescu;do you think a child who lived with wolves to age 9 would be more difficult to teach creative writing to than a child who lived with wolves to age 2 ?
1720706;1507138967;asciilifeform;didn't ~most of mircea_popescu's patients livewithwolves ?
1720707;1507138981;asciilifeform;for 2decades or so
1720708;1507139001;mircea_popescu;that "or so" matters.
1720709;1507139021;mircea_popescu;humongous difference in idiocy between 19yo and 28yo.
1720710;1507139052;mircea_popescu;moreover, individuals are individual ; this item here discussed is not an individual.
1720711;1507139054;mircea_popescu;is an item.
1720712;1507139061;BingoBoingo;http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/it-not-done-yet-hun-sen-says-government-crackdown-rebels-isnt-stopping-sokha << More Colours
1720713;1507139062;trinque;natural slut phase is still humming along in that earlier bit
1720714;1507139069;mircea_popescu;might as well ask me if i can re-annimate hilary's worn pantsuit.
1720715;1507139070;trinque;seems entirely relevant to ease of reformatting
1720716;1507139072;mircea_popescu;what, really ?
1720717;1507139086;BingoBoingo;"Speaking at the inauguration of a hotel in Siem Reap province, the premier claimed “rebels” were planning to launch a so-called colour revolution, and that Sokha’s purported collusion with the US was only the tip of the iceberg."
1720718;1507139097;asciilifeform;lol!
1720719;1507139106;mircea_popescu;o noes, teh nulandisms dun work any better than the bhararaisms work these days ?
1720720;1507139143;BingoBoingo;"He added that there were ongoing investigations into allegedly traitors, but when asked who was under investigation, he replied: “Why would you want to know this? It’s about national security. Are you a spy?”" << Win
1720721;1507139149;mircea_popescu;trinque you can in principle discover perfectly sane 50 yo that has somehow survived in a world of utter idiots. women are capable of incredible feats of self-preservation.
1720722;1507139156;mircea_popescu;but if we're talking odds...
1720723;1507139220;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> trinque you can in principle discover perfectly sane 50 yo that has somehow survived in a world of utter idiots. women are capable of incredible feats of self-preservation. << Gotta go to more biker bars?
1720724;1507139239;mircea_popescu;sadly i dun have a consistent unicorn farm.
1720725;1507139244;*;trinque finds old sluts delightful
1720726;1507139313;mircea_popescu;anyway. reality winner is ugly and unintelligent. these are bars, first to interest, then to potential. so no, 0 interest.
1720727;1507139323;asciilifeform;i'll ftr disagree re the ugly
1720728;1507139326;asciilifeform;but matter of taste.
1720729;1507139331;mircea_popescu;judgement by association doesn't work though. it's firmly possible the most interesting one ever will be 99.99% similar to this one.
1720730;1507139356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, i guess matter of taste. too much of that barbara streisand inbred look to her for me.
1720731;1507139390;asciilifeform;the ugliest bit re rw, supposing the document is genuine rather than perlistic disinfo, is the text . srsly, odin gave moar brains to the pig than to this creature
1720732;1507139400;trinque;https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/18721905_421539764883919_4495621347661053952_n.jpg << looks like a frat bro
1720733;1507139423;asciilifeform;hey BingoBoingo ^ steroisism ?
1720734;1507139429;asciilifeform;*steroidism
1720735;1507139432;BingoBoingo;"Hun Sen in his speech also lashed out at the supposed hypocrisy of the international community, which he maligned for having previously recognised at the UN the murderous Khmer Rouge – to which he once belonged – only to condemn him now for the arrest of a purported traitor. “I only enforce the existing law,” the premier said. "Why can I not [punish treason]? I don’t do it for my own life, but for the happiness of the whole co
1720736;1507139432;BingoBoingo;untry."" << OMG why does the fake news media always have to hate on Great Again
1720737;1507139459;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Strong possibility
1720738;1507139464;mircea_popescu;to revisit slightly upstack, the reason i even mentioned gothamgal is this classic piece from 2015 : http://gothamgal.com/2015/07/recapping-a-round/
1720739;1507139483;mircea_popescu;very amusing because of the slug reaction to salt : "what do you mean our failure means worthlessness!!!! THAT IS NOT HOW WE WERE PROMISED WORLD WORKS!"
1720740;1507139486;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: shouldn't be perma-effect tho. betcha she's gone back to looking like woman again, after few months of clink
1720741;1507139512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not how this usually works. there's two kinds of women in jail.
1720742;1507139519;mircea_popescu;and it seems evident she's trying to butch.
1720743;1507139536;asciilifeform;can try as much as wants, no moar injects though
1720744;1507139542;mircea_popescu;you are indeed naive.
1720745;1507139551;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Apparently the "going back" part is unpredictable in women.
1720746;1507139556;asciilifeform;what, will buy them ? from whom, with what
1720747;1507139562;mircea_popescu;!#s inmate had children with prison guards
1720748;1507139563;a111;0 results for "inmate had children with prison guards", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=inmate%20had%20children%20with%20prison%20guards
1720749;1507139570;asciilifeform;spoodje is free
1720750;1507139571;mircea_popescu;orly. pretty sure this was in logs.
1720751;1507139575;asciilifeform;it was in the logs
1720752;1507139582;asciilifeform;!#s guard impregnation
1720753;1507139582;a111;0 results for "guard impregnation", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=guard%20impregnation
1720754;1507139584;asciilifeform;hm.
1720755;1507139590;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you can have the guard act like your subby with her asshole, you surely can have her bring you roids.
1720756;1507139599;mircea_popescu;in self-same asshole at that.
1720757;1507139599;asciilifeform;but why would he fuck something that eats roid
1720758;1507139618;mircea_popescu;"why do you stick those in your asshole ? not like anyone searches you" "he wants me to."
1720759;1507140037;asciilifeform;in other crackpotisms, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lXsRB/?raw=true << supposedly crackpot d00d continued work of howard morland, for 40y, e.g. suing usg ( https://energy.gov/oha/downloads/fic-16-0001-matter-yogi-shan ) , gathering leaked gibblets.
1720760;1507140063;asciilifeform;the one of the few interesting claims - 'A D-T boosted, fractional crit A-bomb could use reactor-grade (25% Pu240) plutonium, instead of the normal 5.5% Pu240 Weapons-Grade Pu, with no degradation of yield.'
1720761;1507140070;asciilifeform;seems ^ plausible.
1720762;1507140093;mircea_popescu;it does
1720763;1507140114;asciilifeform;the other interesting bit, 'The minimum yield required to initiate the D/T gas in the H-bomb‟s boosted Primary or in boosted atomic weapons is only about 20 tons/0.02 kt.'
1720764;1507140134;asciilifeform;most of the usg disinfo , just as literate folx always suspected, aimed to inflate the apparent cost.
1720765;1507140152;mircea_popescu;i suspect the limit is technological not physical.
1720766;1507140168;mircea_popescu;much like "how big should a pixel be". it works for them to make bombs a certain size, so that's the size "bombs must be"
1720767;1507140187;asciilifeform;in su this resulted simply in heavier rockets.
1720768;1507140197;mircea_popescu;then the "nobody could have predicted" "innovation" of mirving rockets that were too large in the 1st place.
1720769;1507140206;asciilifeform;( incidentally, happy sputnik day )
1720770;1507140351;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the broader point : if you say one middle class individual couldn't, in his spare time and with his spare cash build a thermonuclear weapon during his lifetime starting 1980, you may be true.
1720771;1507140359;mircea_popescu;if you say the same, starting in 2000, you may still be true.
1720772;1507140366;mircea_popescu;perhaps, even, if you say it re 2020.
1720773;1507140374;mircea_popescu;but if you try for "never" you are certainly wrong.
1720774;1507140425;asciilifeform;i dare say not true in 20, considering that saharov-style compressive flux generator ( i.e. linear dynamo powered by trotyl ) can almost certainly substitute for those 20ton-equiv of pu
1720775;1507140488;mircea_popescu;conceivably.
1720776;1507140502;mircea_popescu;i've no idea, i never worked on a nuclear bomb.
1720777;1507140517;mircea_popescu;solid state physics though, it dun stand still.
1720778;1507140519;asciilifeform;esp. if you make clever use of the magnetic pulse for confinement, while the electric does the work
1720779;1507140542;asciilifeform;the whole 'art' of the n00k, is the hold-it-still-long-enuff
1720780;1507140562;mircea_popescu;let's put it this way : if you took the people who did the original centrifugal separators and had them made ping-pong playing drone instead, they'd have failed.
1720781;1507140598;mircea_popescu;"but why, it's just spinning things precisely". ya, well...
1720782;1507140626;asciilifeform;traditional fissiles are dead end, from crackpot pov
1720783;1507140640;asciilifeform;takes toomany joules.
1720784;1507140667;asciilifeform;( esp if you count the joules sunk into the oddball metallurgies, to make the pipes )
1720785;1507140706;mircea_popescu;3d printing!!111
1720786;1507140749;asciilifeform;from asciilifeform's reading of the histories, much of what usg did since '45 has been to create exaggerated impression of difficulty; and it was done at the cost of wasting ~own~ resources whenever possible, in stupendously massive way
1720787;1507140754;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point being that many unsurmontable tech problems of the 1940s are hardly worth the mention today. "it's called a servo, duh" etc.
1720788;1507140779;asciilifeform;fissiles per se, in particular, have not been strictly necessary since perhaps 1970.
1720789;1507140801;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's all part of the http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/
1720790;1507140809;asciilifeform;and whole 'separation plant', 'go and machine perfect sphere out of pyrophoric poison', etc -- red herring.
1720791;1507140814;mircea_popescu;how better to be convincing that snake oil works, than by pretending it is very very expensive ?
1720792;1507140823;mircea_popescu;it IS snake oil after all, as opposed to schmaltz.
1720793;1507140859;asciilifeform;the snake aspect is in the 'apocalyptic' meme
1720794;1507140881;asciilifeform;n00k worx perfectly fine to annul the advantage of columns of tanks, expensive jets, etc.
1720795;1507140889;asciilifeform;this Would Be Wrong from inca's pov, naturally.
1720796;1507140894;asciilifeform;so we get the memewars.
1720797;1507140919;asciilifeform;su happily played along, incidentally, for the obvious reason.
1720798;1507141034;asciilifeform;the myth of the 'but otherwise, nukefest, apocalypse' is one of the glues holding incatronic empire together.
1720799;1507141411;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "columns of tanks".
1720800;1507141426;mircea_popescu;how useful atomic detonation is against a jet, remains dubious.
1720801;1507141438;asciilifeform;quite useful, 0 meaningful shielding
1720802;1507141445;mircea_popescu;but it DOES destroy the convention of "all good things flow to city", which has been the rallying cry since the times of parmenides.
1720803;1507141449;asciilifeform;and dynamically unstable, thing will fall like brick.
1720804;1507141462;asciilifeform;and city, and whatever other fortification.
1720805;1507141464;mircea_popescu;you couldn't have such a thing as "bay area" if every elliot around there could just donate a few peta bequerels to the general area.
1720806;1507141477;asciilifeform;would last as long as the medieval castles did against gunpowder.
1720807;1507141484;mircea_popescu;which is the point. elaine wants to live in city, elliot hasn't the sense to fuck her over.
1720808;1507141491;mircea_popescu;has been the mo of humanity for what, 3k years.
1720809;1507142021;asciilifeform;elliot likely could not produce even 18th c. cannon with own hands, much less n00k.
1720810;1507142027;asciilifeform;joe stack, on other hand..
1720811;1507142046;mircea_popescu;and elaine likely could not produce 1800s warsaw ghetto with her own hands, let alone san francisco.
1720812;1507142050;mircea_popescu;what of this ?
1720813;1507142057;asciilifeform;1 is cumulative fungus, other is not.
1720814;1507142065;asciilifeform;no shit midden ever detonated.
1720815;1507142072;mircea_popescu;1 is cumulative fungus, other is non-cummulatiove lottery ticket.
1720816;1507142075;mircea_popescu;if we're talking odds...
1720817;1507142094;asciilifeform;i dun see how odds enter into it.
1720818;1507142105;asciilifeform;the odds for elliot are not epsilon, but 0.
1720819;1507142125;mircea_popescu;this is the point here : elaines accumulate, havin babies, but their upper bound is epsilon (having babies). elliots do not accumulate, being incapable to even communicate.
1720820;1507142132;mircea_popescu;however, their upper bound is unknown at best.
1720821;1507142158;mircea_popescu;so it's : to blow up, either pile enough epsilon elaines until it sums to blow up ; or else keep pulling pins out of elliots, until one does it.
1720822;1507142158;asciilifeform;is it possible that we disagree what means 'an elliot' ?
1720823;1507142167;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1720824;1507142189;asciilifeform;i picture that it means 'illiterate luser, unable to so much as change a tyre'
1720825;1507142203;mircea_popescu;an elliot, modelled after and in homage of historical elliot rodgers, is individual who deems world is at the bar to justify its continued existence to him.
1720826;1507142226;mircea_popescu;an elaine, modelled after no one in particular really, is individual who deems connecting with her sisters is a definitive strategy.
1720827;1507142251;asciilifeform;'female wail' (tm)(r) ?
1720828;1507142263;mircea_popescu;if you will. usually, it's called "mankind", for unclear reasons.
1720829;1507142287;mircea_popescu;"the continuance of life on land", if viewed from zootehnist/slave ower perspective.
1720830;1507142366;mircea_popescu;to elaine, the city is a paramount construction, which is why it was the first invention. this is not avoidable. as it happens, elliot to date hasn't well figured out ways to destroy the city.
1720831;1507142372;mircea_popescu;locally, temporarily, but nothing significant.
1720832;1507142389;mircea_popescu;except, of course, for the nuclear bomb, which is why all the apoplectic femlit on the topic since 1940s.
1720833;1507142457;mircea_popescu;anyway. that's the original pussygrab. "will (((we))) ie, men, finally ruin (((the world))) ie gynecaeum ???"
1720834;1507142643;asciilifeform;the tale with koschei's needle etc. inescapably comes to mind.
1720835;1507142695;mircea_popescu;the problem is ~nobody wants to live without women if they can help it. as exemplified by say the nazi jew airbnb ; and as explained by say shaw.\
1720836;1507142698;asciilifeform;that, and mircea_popescu's ro joak with the running hen
1720837;1507142715;mircea_popescu;so elliott doesn't stand very good prospects.
1720838;1507142731;mircea_popescu;besides, there's a reason young males are the expendable biomass in all sexuate species.
1720839;1507142732;asciilifeform;somewhere in the back of the hindbrain, the gynecaeum inmates want this ruin to wait for'em, for the fortress to be... pregnable
1720840;1507142784;asciilifeform;it wasn't clear that the original, named elliot's problem was with the chix
1720841;1507142787;asciilifeform;it was 'with system'
1720842;1507142803;mircea_popescu;well yes. "how dares this world not justify its continued existence to me"
1720843;1507142806;asciilifeform;sorta like mircea_popescu's jar mouse , only superficially 'hated the glass'
1720844;1507142823;mircea_popescu;nah, mouse had a much flatter problem.
1720845;1507142829;asciilifeform;mouse did not, i suspect, devote rest of his days to smashing glass wherever found.
1720846;1507142831;mircea_popescu;animals don't hate.
1720847;1507142843;mircea_popescu;kinda why they've no rights.
1720848;1507142858;mircea_popescu;if the item will not play over multiple meets, it is not a subject of legal protection.
1720849;1507142876;mircea_popescu;only things that will hate, which is to say, punish you in this game for your misbehaviour in previous games, can possibly be protected by a law.
1720850;1507142883;asciilifeform;q is whether elliot is mouse, not whether mouse is a man
1720851;1507142927;mircea_popescu;seems to me he set out some standards for the world to meet, ie vehemently delicious pork chops and cali blonde private whore ; and when world failed to live to them he "terminated" it as best he could.
1720852;1507142945;mircea_popescu;the key part in the atomics-of-the-masses discussion is that "best he could".
1720853;1507142948;asciilifeform;( does mircea_popescu much hang out with folx who see mouse as man ? it isn't a thing that'd normally occur to asciilifeform , say . where does he get the vegetarians )
1720854;1507142954;mircea_popescu;he's ineffectual because why the fuck would we help him.
1720855;1507142967;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i strive for variety.
1720856;1507144519;mircea_popescu;and in other news, holy shit reading the "venture capital" blogospam is A LOT like going through clinical notes on schizos with systematised delusionary processes.
1720857;1507144524;mircea_popescu;fucking tiresome.
1720858;1507144540;asciilifeform;nigerian prince spam moar interesting.
1720859;1507144576;mircea_popescu;interesting perhaps not the right word. nigerian prince a lot more like bangbros porn ; these idiots a lot more like jane fonda trying to pretend she's srsly acting in a srs film.
1720860;1507144591;mircea_popescu;she's a fucking workout trainer, but whatevers, can be anything amirite.
1720861;1507145535;BingoBoingo;In other delusionism http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/government-aligned-fresh-news-seemingly-bludgeon-ruling-party << "Seemingly based on little more than innocuous Facebook photos, the dire warnings of conspiracy and "colour revolution"" << Hazards of allowing pantsuits a press
1720862;1507145834;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-04#1720769   <<< *beep, beep beep*
1720863;1507145834;a111;Logged on 2017-10-04 18:03 asciilifeform: ( incidentally, happy sputnik day )
1720864;1507146687;BingoBoingo;And further research on un-transparency http://www.khmer440.com/k/2017/08/would-the-u-s-state-department-cover-up-a-bar-fight-involving-an-embassy-staffer-at-golden-sorya-mall/ << "According to the cover letter that accompanied this nine-page bukkake of whitewash, the State Department claims that providing any information at all about this public bar fight involving an U.S. Embassy staffer "would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion
1720865;1507146687;BingoBoingo; of personal privacy.""
1720866;1507148533;mircea_popescu;heh\
1720867;1507149765;diana_coman;mod6, the online build (at least that one) of trb seems to require also bzip2 -> to add to deps at http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ?
1720868;1507149941;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG panzers! does anybody in l1 want a sage probe ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887 ) for anything, and dun have one yet ? i bought one from the d00d in the comments to my orig. article, for next-to-nothing . if any of you lot want it, it's yours for cost of postage
1720869;1507150045;asciilifeform;diana_coman: which part needs bzip ??
1720870;1507150053;asciilifeform;i don't recall any such thing
1720871;1507150079;diana_coman;I don't recall that at the offline build either; still, this time I tried the online build and...
1720872;1507150091;asciilifeform;diana_coman: post the barf plox
1720873;1507150326;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the spurious knickers club retreat, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4b90cda85d1d6d4c8e15372fb7e83552/tumblr_n3erqwBYaN1ryu3gco1_1280.jpg
1720874;1507150344;asciilifeform;... and then the tub tipped forward
1720875;1507150390;mircea_popescu;naa
1720876;1507150431;mircea_popescu;anyway, the lulzy part is that it's so plainly obvious who's the gf and who's the hired ho.
1720877;1507150444;asciilifeform;how's that
1720878;1507150473;mircea_popescu;well, gf knew what's gonna happen, so no makeup, wine blush. hireling didn't know, full make-up in tub, eye and cheek.
1720879;1507150634;asciilifeform;!~later tell BingoBoingo didja actually end up parked in south asia, or only on historic kick ?
1720880;1507150634;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1720881;1507150656;asciilifeform;!#s brass pole in bangkok
1720882;1507150657;a111;3 results for "brass pole in bangkok", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=brass%20pole%20in%20bangkok
1720883;1507150701;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Historic kick would be a fair description
1720884;1507150773;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/i-ate-some-pie/ << Trilema - I ate some pie
1720885;1507150855;asciilifeform;' 'Why do the nutrition facts tell me there are 25 crackers in a serving, 11 servings to a box? Just give me the nutrition facts for the whole damn box, that’s my serving size.' ' << lol!!
1720886;1507151183;diana_coman;asciilifeform, barf: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wJ9yF/?raw=true
1720887;1507151204;asciilifeform;aaaaah buildroot.
1720888;1507151212;asciilifeform;aite.
1720889;1507151245;asciilifeform;( btw is it clear that buildroot is only part of the trb universe because we dun have a musltronic linux to do ordinary stator builds in ? )
1720890;1507151402;asciilifeform;^ for completeness would also say ' a bsd would, in theory, work ' but practice has not confirmed : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694302
1720891;1507151402;a111;Logged on 2017-08-06 03:01 asciilifeform: wedge at 168000 apparently.
1720892;1507151447;mod6;<+diana_coman> mod6, the online build (at least that one) of trb seems to require also bzip2 -> to add to deps at http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ? <+diana_coman> asciilifeform, barf: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wJ9yF/?raw=true << noted, will add, thanks!
1720893;1507151625;shinohai;Run moar Gavinisms: http://archive.is/7Tz80
1720894;1507151661;asciilifeform;'The consensus rules do not permit spending from a P2SH output that requires a >520 byte push.' ahahahahaha
1720895;1507151665;shinohai;"It's known that the limit is small, and this was a design flaw in BIP16 that was not noticed until several years later."
1720896;1507151679;asciilifeform;live by the gavin, die by the gavin.
1720897;1507154205;*;hanbot 's not sure whether cr biodiversity or cr reasons for power outages has the more entries by now.
1720898;1507154227;hanbot;3rd time this week, 5th week in a row, if i'm not mashing ctrl s in my sleep yet i'm sure it's coming.
1720899;1507156803;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4upjO/?raw=true
1720900;1507156803;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1720901;1507159858;shinohai;http://archive.is/ZEmLV   <<< file under `Africa` BingoBoingo ?
1720902;1507159914;BingoBoingo;lol
1720903;1507160803;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/a-better-man-than-i/ << Trilema - A better man than I ?
1720904;1507162330;ben_vulpes;> Finally, we abuse Intel SGX to hide the attack entirely from the user and the operating system, making any inspection or detection of the attack infeasible.
1720905;1507162336;ben_vulpes;https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.00551
1720906;1507162348;ben_vulpes;rowhammer, the gift that keeps on giving.
1720907;1507162377;asciilifeform;run moar ddr3
1720908;1507162554;asciilifeform;incidentally if you dun let randos twiddler yer address lines ( i.e. run ffaically ) you dun get hammered.
1720909;1507162757;asciilifeform;here's a choice lulzgem: 'One-location hammering is based on a previously unknown Rowhammer effect. With one-location hammering, the attacker only runs a Flush+Reload loop on a single memory address at the maximum frequency. This virtually keeps the DRAM bank permanently open. We observed that one-location hammering drains enough charge from the DRAM cells to induce bit flips.'
1720910;1507162763;asciilifeform;and this is considered salable hardware ?!
1720911;1507162803;shinohai;I read this as "US Forces attacked by Niggers" http://archive.is/CTtID
1720912;1507162804;asciilifeform;people laughed when they opened 1982 ibm pc and found working dram chips made of 3, 4 semidead ones soldered 'dead bug' on one another. but those WORKED.
1720913;1507162862;asciilifeform;'The US is also in the process of establishing a new drone base just outside the city of Agadez in Niger in an effort to bolster regional counterterrorism efforts.' << mno attacked FORNOREASON!111
1720914;1507166419;mod6;diana_coman, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et. al. ok TRB HowTo updated with 'bzip2 tools [including bzcat]'/
1720915;1507166473;mircea_popescu;wouldn't a simple tar gz do the job ?
1720916;1507166588;mod6;hmm.
1720917;1507166661;mod6;I believe the package that is required is 'bzip2'.
1720918;1507166672;mod6;(to pull in 'bzcat')
1720919;1507166693;mircea_popescu;why is this required though ? is it just because random idiots decided they need a SPECIAL rar for their ever so special code farts ?
1720920;1507166717;mod6;i dunno.  for whatever reason her OS didn't have those tools ahead of time.
1720921;1507166737;asciilifeform;no, mircea_popescu has it
1720922;1507166739;mod6;seems like everyday orc-os gets worse.
1720923;1507166753;mod6;am I missing something?
1720924;1507166767;mircea_popescu;prolly cheaper to re-package the damned thing as a tar than to bake in bzip2 dependencies
1720925;1507166775;mircea_popescu;which will next import javascript
1720926;1507166795;mod6;oh for them?  yeah, i dunno.
1720927;1507166796;mircea_popescu;da fuck i care about the extra... what is it, mb ? i got a 200gb blockchain ffs.
1720928;1507166823;asciilifeform;https://www.kernel.org/happy-new-year-and-good-bye-bzip2.html << in related lulz
1720929;1507166834;asciilifeform;2013-12-27
1720930;1507167215;trinque;thought it was buildroot asking for bzip2
1720931;1507167236;asciilifeform;iirc it asks because kernel src used to ship as one
1720932;1507167254;mod6;hrm?
1720933;1507167271;mod6;it looks to me that ya, buildroot needs it.
1720934;1507167312;mod6;i don't think that because they used to bundle up the kernel as a bzip2 that means that average orc-os wouldn't have that tool set in the default userland,.
1720935;1507167332;mod6;seems to be two seperate things.
1720936;1507167378;mod6;oh,.. i see what you might be getting at. buildroot doesn't come with it because yadda yadda, no kernel needs that to unroll.
1720937;1507167381;asciilifeform;whole point of buildroot is to reduce pressure on the host os to minimum
1720938;1507167392;mod6;i see ya ya
1720939;1507167403;asciilifeform;'gimme a c compiler and i will move the earth' is the notion.
1720940;1507167457;mod6;anyway, yeah, someday we'll get away from this wad.
1720941;1507167509;asciilifeform;on (currently hypothetical) musltronic 'cuntoo', you'd use good old stator makefile
1720942;1507167520;asciilifeform;and get same result that you currently need buildroot for on heathenlinux
1720943;1507167522;trinque;why not just ebuild, there
1720944;1507167534;trinque;whole point is to have total control over the OS
1720945;1507167540;asciilifeform;trinque: can't build musltronic elf on a glib-infested linux
1720946;1507167551;trinque;who proposed it
1720947;1507167553;mod6;yeah, i think emerge a trb would be the ticket, no?
1720948;1507167554;asciilifeform;(without buildroot or similar hack)
1720949;1507167555;trinque;there's musl gentoo
1720950;1507167568;asciilifeform;trinque: that's what i meant by 'cuntoo'
1720951;1507167572;trinque;...
1720952;1507167576;*;trinque clears throat
1720953;1507167578;asciilifeform;well, it, but with 0 heathen server deps
1720954;1507167581;trinque;why not use an ebuild to build instead of "stator"
1720955;1507167584;trinque;on cuntoo
1720956;1507167588;mod6;^
1720957;1507167603;asciilifeform;trinque: naturally it oughta be .
1720958;1507167627;mod6;So ordered.
1720959;1507168039;mod6;This will be quite awesome.  "Here lies mod6.  emerge trb" it will say.
1720960;1507168049;asciilifeform;trinque: didja ever write article re musltronic gentoos ?
1720961;1507168063;asciilifeform;their care & feeding
1720962;1507168095;trinque;didn't, no.
1720963;1507168155;trinque;primary difference is leaning on the "layman" thing to maintain a tree of patched ebuilds
1720964;1507168179;trinque;which, gentoo musl overlay is a git repo somewhere. whole thing would have to be repo'd for cuntoo
1720965;1507168201;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's mental picture of 'cuntoo' involves vtronic replacement of portage
1720966;1507168204;trinque;indeed
1720967;1507168243;trinque;I began reading portage source sometime last year, barfed
1720968;1507168272;asciilifeform;it's almost funny, thing nearly tried to be 'v' .
1720969;1507168279;asciilifeform;if you look at it at just-so angle.
1720970;1507168309;mircea_popescu;by the same angular measure, they tried to nearly not be v.
1720971;1507168349;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a fungus. mircea_popescu in particular is fond of reminding asciilifeform that fungi dun have with what to 'try'
1720972;1507168388;trinque;evolutionary thing, where various parts of the problem bit them, then they adapted what they had.
1720973;1507168395;trinque;*not* designed.
1720974;1507168429;mircea_popescu;the high level "fuck you, i own this world and everything in it and you will either adapt or fucking die, bitch" is... not really accessible, mentally, to kids with college degrees.
1720975;1507168454;mircea_popescu;kinda why any serious graduate programs in the us should include 6 months assbatical, spent twinking for drexl in baltimore.
1720976;1507168554;asciilifeform;wat's a drexl
1720977;1507169003;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449176
1720978;1507169003;a111;Logged on 2016-04-08 22:17 mircea_popescu: this guy, thinks he's a nigger. got a bad scar and missing eye.
1720979;1507169709;asciilifeform;trinque: to this day i have nfi why portage weighs what it weighs, or what most of the liquishit does
1720980;1507169729;asciilifeform;afaik 100% of the useful functionality, reduces to 'half-written, buggy implementation of' v.
1720981;1507169803;asciilifeform;it also occurs to asciilifeform that he is doomed to at some point write something like a sane 'tinyscheme' in ada. so that we have a scripting lang and can finally pour the cement into grave of python.
1720982;1507169852;asciilifeform;however it would very conspicuously rock , imho, if one of you folx did this, instead of waiting.
1720983;1507170004;mod6;pretty cool idea
1720984;1507170701;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform character in true romance. thinks he's black.
1720985;1507173085;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1720986;1507173092;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4227.28, vol: 8479.84309067 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4230.0, vol: 27213.92913404 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4236.1, vol: 3781.81198422 | Volume-weighted last average: 4230.00009829
1720987;1507173801;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1720988;1507173802;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 488356 | Current Difficulty: 1.123863285132E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 489887 | Next Difficulty In: 1531 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 5 hours, 7 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1720989;1507173904;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in turning tricks graduate program, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a2bf60987cb1dcd16c5c19e9c95542ef/tumblr_nrgm54GA0c1uwmng9o1_1280.jpg
1720990;1507176186;mircea_popescu;in other great news, looks like the politruks got together, decided they really only have the office space for one of the two, and axed twitter.
1720991;1507176200;BingoBoingo;AHA
1720992;1507176250;mircea_popescu;moving towards "advertising agency" in desperation is perhaps the lulziest fiat conceit yet.
1720993;1507176267;mircea_popescu;not only for the direct reason, but for the implicit hope that maybe... wikipedia follows suit ?
1720994;1507176299;mircea_popescu;all the fucktards going around wikipediaing for the past decade won't chase me around so i step on their worthless bodies instead of the pavement, of course.
1720995;1507176307;BingoBoingo;Hey, walmart is moving to online strategy of "Amazon 3rd party reseller market" but shittier website
1720996;1507176322;mircea_popescu;nor will they ever raise the acumen to confront the plain reality of how they ~should~
1720997;1507176333;mircea_popescu;but i'll lol, which is comparatively the larger part anyway.
1720998;1507176540;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cLq0U/?raw=true
1720999;1507176716;BingoBoingo;I wonder how pissed average USian would be if they learned large chunks of the world gets 6%+ economic growth sustained over decades
1721000;1507178011;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1720990 << waiwaat
1721001;1507178011;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 04:03 mircea_popescu: in other great news, looks like the politruks got together, decided they really only have the office space for one of the two, and axed twitter.
1721002;1507178157;trinque;http://archive.is/IrEBe << "Two black lawmakers in the U.S. Congress" something or other
1721003;1507178301;asciilifeform;this is pretty great
1721004;1507178388;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.0120199 14PywEwC84oBNn4fZiFJssjDPQTokgdGE7
1721005;1507178392;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gEl7P/?raw=true
1721006;1507178415;mircea_popescu;!!v A3C339306287A0EF5DB3FF8AAE9B8B025273132697C1BCB814C3EFC1AE30E984
1721007;1507178418;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TrlUR/?raw=true
1721008;1507178421;mircea_popescu;trinque around ? :D
1721009;1507178621;trinque;this urgent, or can wait til tomorrow?
1721010;1507178748;midnightmagic;cool deedbot functionality.
1721011;1507178999;mircea_popescu;not really urgent if inconvenient
1721012;1507179134;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whatever, "investors displeased with key figures" if you prefer the in-universe formulation
1721013;1507179182;asciilifeform;also great, can't wait to buy ticker to watch the cement poured
1721014;1507179189;asciilifeform;*ticket
1721015;1507179226;mircea_popescu;nah, likely will unwind the way of ~any other scam
1721016;1507179230;mircea_popescu;"bought by verizon"
1721017;1507179233;trinque;mircea_popescu: get it out for ya tomorrow with a fresh brain; about to retire for the night
1721018;1507179289;mircea_popescu;nn
1721019;1507179964;mircea_popescu;"Venture capital isn’t an asset class, it’s a system to transfer wealth from state pension funds into the pockets of general partners. Some of the wealth moves into the pockets of kids working on new technology. This part is important, because that technology can have a moonshot chance of improving the world. Someone’s gotta fund moonshots, and it’s not gonna be banks. Venture capital, then, is a charitable service. W
1721020;1507179964;mircea_popescu;hy not advertise honestly? Nonprofits are allowed a 3% management fee so VC firms can still afford disgusting salaries and daily crudité delivery. Maybe that decreases the likelihood that endowments and pension funds allocate assets to Silicon Valley, but LPs allocate less than 0.5% of their funds to this subset of private equity anyway. Venture capital is already a tax writeoff." << check out who gets how the whole pile of
1721021;1507179965;mircea_popescu;irrelevant noise actually works.
1721022;1507180633;BingoBoingo;Is that Elaine?
1721023;1507180851;mircea_popescu;aha.
1721024;1507180856;mircea_popescu;a yeah, what happened to her ?
1721025;1507180973;BingoBoingo;I'm not sure
1721026;1507180976;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, wall funded in congress ?
1721027;1507181021;BingoBoingo;Not yet, just passed a house committee
1721028;1507181071;mircea_popescu;ah right.
1721029;1507181084;mircea_popescu;o look, bitcoin crash under 0.085 nao.
1721030;1507181091;mircea_popescu;I THINK REBOUND IMMINENT!
1721031;1507181127;BingoBoingo;lol, a lot of people would be surprised how bouncy concrete is
1721032;1507181150;mircea_popescu;and a lot of redditors would be surprised at how bouncy tits are.
1721033;1507181158;mircea_popescu;experience is a valuable teacher absent for most experts.
1721034;1507181509;BingoBoingo;Bouncy's one of those weird qualities.
1721035;1507183445;mircea_popescu;aaand in other "after graduation i plan to spend a year in africa doing charity work" news, http://i.4cdn.org/hc/1501923521316.jpg
1721036;1507184007;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nwC5j/?raw=true
1721037;1507213308;mod6;mornin'
1721038;1507213599;mod6;hola
1721039;1507213630;mircea_popescu;hey mod6
1721040;1507213655;mircea_popescu;aaand in other "global warming" lulz, costa rica has been beset by an... anti-tropical storm, with temperatures 10 degrees below period averages and winds in the 50kph+ range since yest.
1721041;1507213661;mircea_popescu;apparently this is now possible.
1721042;1507213669;mod6;heh
1721043;1507213831;mod6;pretty windy
1721044;1507213983;shinohai;mircea_popescu should hold kite-flying contest amongst the slaves. Winner is girl who can keep kite aloft for 2+ minutes using only erect nipples.
1721045;1507213989;mircea_popescu;the avian biodiversidad is pretty fucking sad looking, i'll tell you that.
1721046;1507214025;mircea_popescu;these pair of eagles came to say good morning erry day, nowehre to be seen this morn.
1721047;1507214035;mod6;hunkered down huh
1721048;1507214056;mircea_popescu;i don't expect they can fly in this. eagle isn't a swallow.
1721049;1507218227;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-181800-p-2.html (poor dooglus ended up paying a 4k btc to a bunch of lazy retartds pretending to be strippers, two years after.)
1721050;1507218258;mircea_popescu;an honest man, he is ; actually functional in any proper sense, they aren't.
1721051;1507218496;shinohai;If I made that offer on some South-American camslut site, it wouldn't last a week.
1721052;1507218534;mircea_popescu;there's half a billion of them, and what, one a year manages to find her way to a hundy ?
1721053;1507218563;mircea_popescu;i don't think it can be put into words, how much of the whole "poor people need help" the pay-for-your-tits disabused in my mind.
1721054;1507218570;mircea_popescu;they need help like they need designer bags.
1721055;1507218656;asciilifeform;designer body bags
1721056;1507219431;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform derived a simple constant-time variant of barrett. short enough to put in the l0gz:
1721057;1507219453;asciilifeform;algo computes r := x mod m.
1721058;1507219484;asciilifeform;or rather, x0 mod m, x1 mod m, ... ( as happens in modexp )
1721059;1507219537;asciilifeform;let, for concreteness, x's are 8192 bits wide ( as they are in the 4096b rsa demo. ) m - in same - is 4096b wide.
1721060;1507219595;asciilifeform;compute 'barrettoid' c for the current m :  c := 2^4096 / p . this is done via the knuthian longdividotron, once per modexp.
1721061;1507219629;asciilifeform;note that this is a 4097-bit ( in actual ffa, 8192b ) constant.
1721062;1507219639;asciilifeform;now , for each reduction,
1721063;1507219686;asciilifeform;compute the quotient-guess q,  q := (c * x) >> 4096
1721064;1507219733;asciilifeform;if q' is the actual quotient, the inequality q' <= q <= 4q' holds. ( proof left for the reader )
1721065;1507219807;asciilifeform;so now we gotta   r := x - q*m , from 1 to 4 times ( this is done via subtract and mux-on-carry , so it always happens 4 times, but when q becomes == to q' the mux stops changing the result )
1721066;1507219826;asciilifeform;now r is == to the remainder of x/m .
1721067;1507219911;mircea_popescu;sounds like the whole discussion coupla weeks ago actually found its way into actual practice.
1721068;1507219925;mircea_popescu;significant gains ?
1721069;1507219933;asciilifeform;in ordinary barretting, x loses its bottom however-many bits, to make the multiplication smaller, depending on the 'bitlength' of x; and then its gets restored with a leftshift . we can't do this, because ffa.
1721070;1507219944;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is quite different from the apeloyee d00d's suggested method
1721071;1507219973;asciilifeform;he proposed to do the normalization as usual, but with 'secret shift' algo. which , any way you cut it, eats more cycles than knuthian division even.
1721072;1507220012;asciilifeform;as for gains, i dun know for sure yet, because i gotta manually implement the asymmetric karatsubaization for the above
1721073;1507220033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform both salient points (the multi-try mod ; the divide powers of two by p) were part of a larger discussion where you defended tooth and nail teh impossibility!
1721074;1507220034;asciilifeform;given that currently we have only symmetric (equal-bitness multiplicands) multiplication, which will waste massive cycles
1721075;1507220062;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i did conjecture that you can skip normalization if you widen the register.
1721076;1507220075;asciilifeform;( at the cost of n log n )
1721077;1507220078;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not complaining.
1721078;1507220087;mircea_popescu;on teh contrary
1721079;1507220122;asciilifeform;the (unsurprising) surprise is that ^method is wholly absent from the public lit
1721080;1507220124;asciilifeform;until nao.
1721081;1507220243;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721065 << i oughta expand on this step : first we do r := x - q*m ; then it needs from 0 to 3 further subtractions of m ( we do this muxically . )
1721082;1507220243;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:10 asciilifeform: so now we gotta   r := x - q*m , from 1 to 4 times ( this is done via subtract and mux-on-carry , so it always happens 4 times, but when q becomes == to q' the mux stops changing the result )
1721083;1507220271;asciilifeform;anyway that's the whole thing.
1721084;1507220274;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-problems-of-today/ << Trilema - The problems of today
1721085;1507220302;asciilifeform;i posted it in case meteorite falls on asciilifeform some time in next wk.
1721086;1507220327;deedbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721004 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rJRhV/?raw=true
1721087;1507220357;trinque;hm no a111 quote?
1721088;1507220359;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^
1721089;1507220392;mircea_popescu;why ty.
1721090;1507220404;mircea_popescu;trinque bots are set to ignore bots currently.
1721091;1507220417;trinque;ah k
1721092;1507220433;mircea_popescu;does it reference like that automatically ?
1721093;1507220444;trinque;shall yes, though there are still a few human steps in there today.
1721094;1507220452;trinque;but all the stuff works, which is neat
1721095;1507220463;trinque;I'm in the position to boop a qr code on an airgap machine for the signed tx
1721096;1507220469;mircea_popescu;maybe it's legitimate to except deedbot from "bots" then, seeing how it'll never read loglines which is what the ocncern was.
1721097;1507220476;trinque;yep, wont
1721098;1507220496;mircea_popescu;phf ben_vulpes Framedragger excepting deedbot from the "don't read out bods" ? feasible ?
1721099;1507220562;asciilifeform;!~seen Framedragger
1721100;1507220562;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Framedragger was last seen in #trilema 11 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 53 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <Framedragger> yeah.
1721101;1507220578;asciilifeform;d00d lost at sea or wut.
1721102;1507220649;mircea_popescu;he said something about a new job or moving or something, i'm foggy on details.
1721103;1507220703;asciilifeform;iirc it was a move out of britanistan.
1721104;1507220756;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683494
1721105;1507220756;a111;Logged on 2017-07-14 16:39 Framedragger: [PSA, framedraggerish duties to resume soon and answers to irc pings to come (country move done nao, much win). talk soon]
1721106;1507220836;mircea_popescu;maybe he got a new gf or something.
1721107;1507220890;mircea_popescu;by the way, since we're doing PSAs : how about NOT doing dumb shit like this, as a matter of well maintained policy, so we have a chance in hell of knowing whether you've been fucking kidnapped as opposed to you know, merely unreliable in the family way.
1721108;1507220913;asciilifeform;hopefully new gf is not that isidora isis whorecraft or what was her name
1721109;1507220933;mircea_popescu;lol why not ?
1721110;1507220943;asciilifeform;usg mata hari ?
1721111;1507220969;mircea_popescu;if that means she'd at least put some fucking doing into the fucking, i'm all for it.
1721112;1507221017;asciilifeform;the radio silence does suggest -- as mircea_popescu pointed out earlier -- that the fucking went in wrong direction.
1721113;1507221040;mircea_popescu;eh, suggests nothing. what does it suggest in mike's case ?
1721114;1507221043;mircea_popescu;!~seen mike_c
1721115;1507221043;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: mike_c was last seen in #trilema 3 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <mike_c> congrats!  I did that a long time ago too.  Good luck with it.
1721116;1507221068;asciilifeform;iirc when mike_c vanished the 1st time, all possible explanations were on the table.
1721117;1507221156;mircea_popescu;but then came back, and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697401
1721118;1507221156;a111;Logged on 2017-08-13 20:36 mike_c: i know, right.  It's frustrating prioritizing time.  Didn't have time to hang, definitely not to work, so felt weird dropping in once a month and saying "hey, haven't done anything, don't have time to do anything"
1721119;1507221164;mircea_popescu;and then...
1721120;1507221185;trinque;Framedragger appears to be still connected, so maybe he'll check his bouncer and chime in.
1721121;1507221200;asciilifeform;lol maybe mike_c found his new FG's to be a downer
1721122;1507221210;trinque;if folks are ashamed of not having time for the republic, there's more shame in being unable to say so.
1721123;1507221217;asciilifeform;trinque: mike_c's bouncer stayed up for 3+yr
1721124;1507221226;trinque;aha
1721125;1507221233;mircea_popescu;or maybe he just cashed in whatever was left and paid usg for a new mortgage, or maybe was actually shot and left to bleed somewhere, or or or.
1721126;1507221243;mircea_popescu;that's the problem with mystery -- it's mysterious.
1721127;1507221250;asciilifeform;nacht und nebel.
1721128;1507221642;cruciform;is it OK to use waybackmachine for FG instructions?
1721129;1507221728;mircea_popescu;there's prolly an archive.is version too
1721130;1507221753;asciilifeform;i refreshed archive.is of all the major pages 2-3 day before dulap went
1721131;1507221759;cruciform;thanks
1721132;1507221773;asciilifeform;( incl . /phuctored , /dupes , etc )
1721133;1507221801;asciilifeform;lemme guess, cruciform , you didn't get the paper manual ?
1721134;1507221817;cruciform;asciilifeform: only the device itself
1721135;1507221821;mircea_popescu;o.O
1721136;1507221832;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he bought secondhand iirc
1721137;1507221836;mircea_popescu;is this the first case of an actually molested package ?
1721138;1507221837;mircea_popescu;oh oh.
1721139;1507221853;cruciform;asciilifeform: correct
1721140;1507221895;cruciform;didn't get hit with import tax, unlike diana_coman
1721141;1507221952;asciilifeform;cruciform: any idea re why not ?
1721142;1507221992;cruciform;asciilifeform: rarely happens in UK - maybe 5% of my packages get plundered
1721143;1507222027;asciilifeform;i suspect that packages from amazon, etc. tend to get left alone.
1721144;1507222036;asciilifeform;plunder focuses on the human ones.
1721145;1507222099;mircea_popescu;so far observed rate is 66%
1721146;1507222109;asciilifeform;cruciform: https://archive.is/CGQkR << 26 sept.
1721147;1507222126;cruciform;asciilifeform: tyvm - reading through atm
1721148;1507222196;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: could easily be a matter of weight. iirc each of the prev. uk purchasers, got >1
1721149;1507222208;mircea_popescu;i guess so
1721150;1507222216;cruciform;asciilifeform: I had 2 delivered
1721151;1507222347;mircea_popescu;maybe they googled both, one seemed like a corp.
1721152;1507222366;mircea_popescu;(laugh if you will, but about 99% of fiat "government" business consists of google and wikipedia searches)
1721153;1507222380;asciilifeform;i dun think customs monkeys get terminals
1721154;1507222386;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1721155;1507222399;mircea_popescu;what's this, like soviets that don'\t get uniforms ?
1721156;1507222431;mircea_popescu;the terminals are the fucking point.
1721157;1507222439;asciilifeform;nah, simply for same reason street sweepers don't -- if you give'em terminals, ~0 packages will get stamped
1721158;1507222452;mircea_popescu;afaik they also do.
1721159;1507222463;asciilifeform;then allbetsareoff and i've nfi
1721160;1507222509;mircea_popescu;where;'s that lulz about bloomberg's "beat cops need catpics, costs 200mn, throwaway in 3 years" nobody-goes-to-jail-for-buying-terminals thing ?
1721161;1507222809;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710827
1721162;1507222809;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 13:25 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://archive.is/6t8bO >> 'The NYPD has to scrap the 36,000 smartphones it gave cops over the past two years because they’re already obsolete and can’t be upgraded, The Post has learned. The city bought Microsoft-based Nokia smartphones as part of a $160 million NYPD Mobility Initiative that Mayor Bill de Blasio touted as “a huge step into the 21st century.”'
1721163;1507222828;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in today's 'reality winnings', http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/AwtB5/?raw=true
1721164;1507222858;mircea_popescu;dja understand that had they paid 1k per phone, which a) the ipad never cost and b) volume discounts, they'd have justified less than ONE QUARTER of what they actually spent.
1721165;1507222872;asciilifeform;overhead!11
1721166;1507222885;mircea_popescu;36 k smartphones at the cost of 4444 dollars each.
1721167;1507222891;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i dun think customs monkeys get terminals << Menial USG employment implies terminal for fucking off
1721168;1507222896;mircea_popescu;only suckers pay retail. ustards pay something else entirely.
1721169;1507222898;asciilifeform;toilet seat in 1980s in pentagon, famously, 5k usd ea.
1721170;1507223177;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc 'sectera' nsa-issued pnoje, is quoted at 7k ea.
1721171;1507223192;asciilifeform;( issued to nomenklatura )
1721172;1507223229;mircea_popescu;what, nypd ?
1721173;1507223241;asciilifeform;nah that one's in usg proper
1721174;1507223287;asciilifeform;iirc state officials, even including governor, dun get crypto.
1721175;1507223383;mircea_popescu;crypto ?
1721176;1507223387;mircea_popescu;lolz. spare me.
1721177;1507223955;asciilifeform;btw re nypd, oct. 23 2014 : 'Thanks to a massive $160 million investment, the New York City Police Department is on its way to receive a combination of up to 41,000 smartphones and tablets. Known as the NYPD Mobility Initiative, which will be mostly financed by criminal asset funds provided by the Manhattan DA's Office, the goal is to provide the the city's law enforcement with tools that can improve and streamline their overall work
1721178;1507223955;asciilifeform;flow...'
1721179;1507223959;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1721180;1507223966;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4303.97, vol: 7632.28449798 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4310.3, vol: 23219.84356935 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4234.9632, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4307.4, vol: 3031.971074 | Volume-weighted last average: 4308.61469396
1721181;1507223981;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1721182;1507223982;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 488425 | Current Difficulty: 1.123863285132E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 489887 | Next Difficulty In: 1462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 37 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1721183;1507223993;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform obviously, you didn'[t expect the actual USG has any resources ?
1721184;1507224001;asciilifeform;( sores: https://archive.is/EIZJC and elsewhere )
1721185;1507224003;mircea_popescu;either they use your money or else they don't get shit.
1721186;1507224023;asciilifeform;from where else does crown get resources, lol
1721187;1507224028;asciilifeform;it dun sow or reap
1721188;1507224246;BingoBoingo;It also discourages planting and reaping generally
1721189;1507224610;asciilifeform;revisiting upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721061 suggests that i'ma have to go back to the old karatsubatron, which did not insist on powers-of-two bitnesses
1721190;1507224610;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:07 asciilifeform: note that this is a 4097-bit ( in actual ffa, 8192b ) constant.
1721191;1507224640;asciilifeform;( we're talking about a 3fold speed difference )
1721192;1507224744;asciilifeform;will need asymmetric comba, too...
1721193;1507225310;asciilifeform;continuing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721063 , this is not an ordinary mult, we only want the upper half of the bits .
1721194;1507225310;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:08 asciilifeform: compute the quotient-guess q,  q := (c * x) >> 4096
1721195;1507225313;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you could just make it 4096. p can never be 1.
1721196;1507225317;asciilifeform;nogood
1721197;1507225332;asciilifeform;recall, whole point is to make modexp that worx for all inputs
1721198;1507225341;asciilifeform;otherwise we'd use montgomerization and call it a day
1721199;1507225352;mircea_popescu;but not allowing 1 as a divisor is not some sort of big deal.
1721200;1507225367;asciilifeform;( i actually did consider, 'special case for x = 1 ' but now you've broken the constanttimealwaysandforeverness )
1721201;1507225369;mircea_popescu;perfectly fine definition of arithmetics, "+0 and /1 are not permitted ops"
1721202;1507225388;asciilifeform;going for ordinary arithmetics in ffa, not oddball alt-arithmetic.
1721203;1507225406;mircea_popescu;aite.
1721204;1507225414;asciilifeform;( can you prove that cramer-shoup, or whatever we go with next yr, worx in yer alt-arithmetic, lol )
1721205;1507225450;mircea_popescu;in so many words, yes. arithmetic as it is does not allow either op.
1721206;1507225456;asciilifeform;mno
1721207;1507225463;asciilifeform;modulo 1 is a permitted op
1721208;1507225470;asciilifeform;yields 0.
1721209;1507225483;asciilifeform;( modulo 0 is disallowed, it is same as a div0 )
1721210;1507225539;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716244 << consider that part. in order for 2+3 to be unique, it has to unpermit 2*1*1+0+3*1+0+0+0+0
1721211;1507225539;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 20:27 asciilifeform: how about the 'every int has unique prime factorization' item ?
1721212;1507225573;asciilifeform;bad enuff that we gotta check every single motherfucking unknown integer for equality to 0, before feeding it into division or modulo
1721213;1507225732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'holes' in arithmetic suck, because they are inescapably branch conditionals. if i could not prove that div0 is impossible in the course of, e.g., modexp intermediate steps, ffa would be a wholly impossible thing.
1721214;1507225821;mircea_popescu;division by 1 as part of modexp is not happening either.
1721215;1507225871;asciilifeform;it is if defined over integers.
1721216;1507225906;mircea_popescu;your ffa does reals modexp ?
1721217;1507225919;mircea_popescu;i had nfi 2+x modulo 7.5 is even defined.
1721218;1507225921;asciilifeform;as in, i get to , e.g., r = x mod ( a - b ) for some a, b
1721219;1507225935;asciilifeform;reals dun exist on a comp
1721220;1507225944;mircea_popescu;well so then. yes over fucking integers.
1721221;1507225955;asciilifeform;aha, integers. not integers-with-thesehere-holes.
1721222;1507225968;mircea_popescu;1 is not a divisor of anything, whadda ya want from me.
1721223;1507225983;asciilifeform;1 is a possible output of a - b. or whatever other combinatorics.
1721224;1507226001;mircea_popescu;so is 0.
1721225;1507226003;asciilifeform;( as is 0, and this costs us, because you gotta have the div0 trap )
1721226;1507226018;asciilifeform;however div0 trap cannot leak timing, because it is a fatal condition
1721227;1507226021;asciilifeform;terminates the program.
1721228;1507226035;mircea_popescu;im not sure even this much is correct.
1721229;1507226058;mircea_popescu;in that it terminating the program at a certain time it leaks... a certain time.
1721230;1507226063;asciilifeform;a div0 does not have a defined result, and any program that attempts it is resultingly nonsense. the ancients got this right.
1721231;1507226135;asciilifeform;there is no way around this, if you proceed after div0, you are in neverneverland. fortunately writing pcode where div0 demonstrably never happens, is not difficult.
1721232;1507226161;mircea_popescu;and writing code where division by 1 also never happens is an exercise in impossibility ?
1721233;1507226184;asciilifeform;quite nearly.
1721234;1507226198;asciilifeform;i'ma leave this as exercise, and if it stays unobvious, demonstrate laters.
1721235;1507226234;asciilifeform;meanwhile : https://archive.is/lTyAW >> 'Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data' lolz
1721236;1507226245;mircea_popescu;must be all them encrypted derpphones
1721237;1507226375;asciilifeform;'...identifying the files through the contractor’s use of a popular antivirus software made by Russia-based Kaspersky Lab, these people said.' << lol re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700468 smear
1721238;1507226375;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 23:01 asciilifeform: 'That followed the General Services Administration removing Kaspersky from an approved-vendors list in early July and a congressional push to pass a law that would ban Kaspersky from being used by the Department of Defense.'
1721239;1507226512;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, today we've seen 90 blocks in 18 hours. bitcoin working at half-capacity.
1721240;1507226653;mircea_popescu;!!up apeloyee
1721241;1507226654;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1721242;1507226675;asciilifeform;!!rated apeloyee
1721243;1507226675;deedbot;asciilifeform rated apeloyee 1 at 2017/09/13 18:25:08 << barrett reductionist
1721244;1507226682;asciilifeform;oughta be self-powered
1721245;1507226688;apeloyee;!!up
1721246;1507226690;deedbot;You must be registered.
1721247;1507226698;apeloyee;see?
1721248;1507226701;mircea_popescu;uh
1721249;1507226716;mircea_popescu;apeloyee is your nick registered with nickserv ?
1721250;1507226773;apeloyee;I did register with nickserv, and identified to it just recently
1721251;1507226913;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721060 << what's p here?
1721252;1507226913;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:06 asciilifeform: compute 'barrettoid' c for the current m :  c := 2^4096 / p . this is done via the knuthian longdividotron, once per modexp.
1721253;1507226919;asciilifeform;modulus
1721254;1507226935;apeloyee;did you mean 2^8192?
1721255;1507226941;asciilifeform;nope
1721256;1507226954;asciilifeform;4096.
1721257;1507226970;asciilifeform;work it out on paper.
1721258;1507227005;asciilifeform;but yes, misprint, the 'p' oughta read 'm'
1721259;1507227070;asciilifeform;range of m is 1 .. (2^4096) - 1 in this example.
1721260;1507227083;asciilifeform;of x is 0 .. (2^8192) - 1 .
1721261;1507227096;asciilifeform;of r, consequently, same as of m .
1721262;1507227113;apeloyee;if  q' <= q <= 4q' , it means you don't even know ONE significant digit of q'
1721263;1507227152;asciilifeform;^ also misprint, good catch
1721264;1507227178;asciilifeform;meant to say that it differs by from 0 to 4 multiple of m .
1721265;1507227182;asciilifeform;from the actual quotient.
1721266;1507227189;asciilifeform;( just like in ordinary barrett . )
1721267;1507227190;apeloyee;ok, let m =2^4096 - 1. then c=1
1721268;1507227206;asciilifeform;c cannot equal 1 !
1721269;1507227219;asciilifeform;2 ^ 4096 is a 4097-bit number
1721270;1507227222;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-5#216182 << pls to update http://trilema.com/2016/trilema-bot-spec/ , i forgot this log-spec-addenda; will implement.
1721271;1507227222;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:14 mircea_popescu: phf ben_vulpes Framedragger excepting deedbot from the "don't read out bods" ? feasible ?
1721272;1507227237;mircea_popescu;good idea.
1721273;1507227276;mircea_popescu;!!sexpr
1721274;1507227277;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721060 << c := 2^4096 / p; i thought you only have integer division?
1721275;1507227277;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:06 asciilifeform: compute 'barrettoid' c for the current m :  c := 2^4096 / p . this is done via the knuthian longdividotron, once per modexp.
1721276;1507227297;asciilifeform;we have knuthian division, it gives quotient and remainder
1721277;1507227327;apeloyee;ok, so quotient of division of 2^4096 by 2^4096-1 is 1.
1721278;1507227334;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3AEPB/?raw=true
1721279;1507227361;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-5#216206 << i have acquired a few afk crises which have eaten a bunch of time since the move.
1721280;1507227361;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:26 trinque: if folks are ashamed of not having time for the republic, there's more shame in being unable to say so.
1721281;1507227403;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how about now ?
1721282;1507227424;mircea_popescu;!!help sexpr
1721283;1507227424;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1721284;1507227431;asciilifeform;actually apeloyee http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721256 << strike that, 8192 is correct
1721285;1507227431;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 18:09 asciilifeform: 4096.
1721286;1507227442;asciilifeform;i'ma stop trying to talk in 2 terminals nao, brb
1721287;1507227444;mircea_popescu;!~help
1721288;1507227445;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
1721289;1507227450;mircea_popescu;!~help sexpr
1721290;1507227450;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: There is no command "sexpr".
1721291;1507227459;mircea_popescu;!#help
1721292;1507227466;mircea_popescu;!$help
1721293;1507227486;mircea_popescu;!$help json
1721294;1507227500;asciilifeform;apeloyee was right in that c is always 2^oneplusbitnessofx / m .
1721295;1507227509;ben_vulpes;bot audit
1721296;1507227513;mircea_popescu;aha
1721297;1507227514;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ty
1721298;1507227516;mircea_popescu;!Qhelp
1721299;1507227516;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
1721300;1507227532;*;apeloyee straps on gas mask
1721301;1507227607;mircea_popescu;ok so results of audit : Framedragger, shinohai, phf  : your bot has no help implemented whatsoever, in spite of spec. trinque Framedragger  you don't follow the json/sexpr portion, bot simply puts out the same help.
1721302;1507227620;mircea_popescu;now the question here is, do we actually want to ditch the machine portable portion of the help ?
1721303;1507227627;ben_vulpes;yes
1721304;1507227649;apeloyee;asciilifeform: ok, how it's different then from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716301
1721305;1507227649;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 21:18 apeloyee: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Eu9Fd/?raw=true
1721306;1507227669;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes because we just don't care about machine discovery, now or ever ?
1721307;1507227735;ben_vulpes;i am struggling to see the case of ever. someone programming against bots should read the help themselves and implement the api described.
1721308;1507227768;mircea_popescu;well the original case was to end up with a proper universal api.
1721309;1507227801;mircea_popescu;exactly like the original url worked, in practice the spec never delivered this magical ability to query servers for resources to the end user.
1721310;1507227836;mircea_popescu;but practice aside, shouldn't i have the ability to query a bank of seated whores, "what can you do ?"
1721311;1507227898;ben_vulpes;should be binary, #t-spec compliant or not.
1721312;1507227911;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry. what should ?
1721313;1507227952;apeloyee;and ftr secret shift does work. if asciilifeform thinks it's slower than division, he must be chugging really strong stuff.
1721314;1507228044;ben_vulpes;the response from the bots to what they can do. either they're all spec-compliant, respond the same way to the same set of commands, or they don't.
1721315;1507228081;mircea_popescu;well yes. the part where the spec should be followed is not under discussion.
1721316;1507228090;ben_vulpes;and what, a machine-understandable description of what each extra-spec command does? i didn't think anyone here operated machines that /thought/.
1721317;1507228095;mircea_popescu;the part what's under discussion is the ~why~ nobody implemented the json/sexpr part of the spec./
1721318;1507228110;ben_vulpes;sloth, likely.
1721319;1507228132;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes technology is built by steps. so far, being able to put in machine terms a "ask all the bots see which one mentions 'payments' as a string" is a legitimately useful ability.
1721320;1507228158;mircea_popescu;why can't i grep "hurr" over a cat #trilema bots ?
1721321;1507228257;asciilifeform;apeloyee: didja deliberately ignore my observation where multiword shift is intrinsically different timing than subword ?
1721322;1507228269;asciilifeform;your secret shift leaks timing, apeloyee
1721323;1507228280;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: okay, i see it.
1721324;1507228301;ben_vulpes;will bring bot to spec.
1721325;1507228302;apeloyee;leaks _what_? it does the same fixed shifts, regardless of operands
1721326;1507228323;asciilifeform;a shift by multiple of the wordsize takes considerably less time than by not
1721327;1507228339;asciilifeform;and to make this untrue, you gotta do W (bitness of ffa) shifts by 1, at all times.
1721328;1507228348;asciilifeform;which is same work as knuthdivide.
1721329;1507228382;*;apeloyee changes gas mask canister
1721330;1507228417;apeloyee;a shift by multiple of the wordsize takes considerably less time than by not << and a multiply takes more time than add,  what.
1721331;1507228439;mircea_popescu;apeloyee but now you can tell what size the shift was, to some degree, by timing.
1721332;1507228461;mircea_popescu;!!up apeloyee
1721333;1507228462;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1721334;1507228464;apeloyee;the operations themselves leak anyway. i thought they shouldn't leak  operands?
1721335;1507228475;mircea_popescu;size of shift is an operand
1721336;1507228483;apeloyee;secret shift does FIXED. SHIFTS.
1721337;1507228495;mircea_popescu;trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721246 << any idea what this is ?
1721338;1507228495;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 18:04 deedbot: You must be registered.
1721339;1507228499;asciilifeform;the one posted by apeloyee -- leaks
1721340;1507228502;apeloyee;(except the first sub-word one)
1721341;1507228543;mircea_popescu;well excepts are not good signs are they ?
1721342;1507228554;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716617 << see also
1721343;1507228554;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 16:22 asciilifeform: !~later tell apeloyee i studied your algo, it (aside from truly massive cost, that would annihilate savings from newton, or barrett, or just about any other trick) ~still leaks~, because shifting by >wordsize is a fundamentally different op from shifting <wordsize; and the only way for this to not be true is for all shifts to happen as a series of wordsize shifts; and a shift by ffawidth-1 (max shiftness) would then consist of ffawor
1721344;1507228615;apeloyee;log(bitness) passes over and the same number of muxes are "massive costs" in your universe?
1721345;1507228666;trinque;apeloyee: you tried sending a private message to deedbot with !!up ?
1721346;1507228678;apeloyee;asciilifeform: write to gmp authors that you got your 4096-bit mul faster than that.
1721347;1507228684;apeloyee;trinque: yes.
1721348;1507228724;asciilifeform;apeloyee: it ain't log(bitness) ! not if you don't want to leak any info re the shift amount.
1721349;1507228763;apeloyee;i'm all out of gas mask cans! HOW does a FIXED shift leak?
1721350;1507228805;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/2zA45 << apeloyee's 'secret shift'
1721351;1507228808;asciilifeform;let's do it in detail
1721352;1507228815;apeloyee;ok
1721353;1507228856;asciilifeform;there are 2 invocations of conventional ffa shift :
1721354;1507228876;asciilifeform;ln 36 :     A := Shift(A, S mod W);
1721355;1507228887;apeloyee;yes, the sub-word shift
1721356;1507228888;asciilifeform;ln 41:       Scratch2 := Shift(A, S1);
1721357;1507228907;apeloyee;the whole-word shift
1721358;1507228925;apeloyee;*whole-number-of-words
1721359;1507228939;asciilifeform;first of all, didja ever say how to dispose of the 'while' statement ?
1721360;1507228966;apeloyee;fix word-size and bitness. otherwise, you don't
1721361;1507228986;asciilifeform;second, ~any~ wholeword shift leaks info re the shift amount, because different address sequence .
1721362;1507228998;apeloyee;go
1721363;1507229003;apeloyee;err
1721364;1507229094;apeloyee;goddamnit. it's FIXED!!! first sub-word one (which doesn't leak in our model), then by 1 word, then by 2, then 4, 8 and so on
1721365;1507229195;asciilifeform;hm i think i finally see what algo apeloyee was trying to implement ( the pseudocode doesn't actually do it )
1721366;1507229233;asciilifeform;you shift by all possible whole word shifts, and mux-keep the correct one; then shift by all wordsize-1 possible subword shifts, and muxkeep the right one.
1721367;1507229247;asciilifeform;this is in fact cheaper than knuth div.
1721368;1507229249;apeloyee;grrr
1721369;1507229252;apeloyee;no!
1721370;1507229354;mircea_popescu;a hey that's actually an idea.
1721371;1507229357;mircea_popescu;apeloyee why not ?
1721372;1507229371;asciilifeform;not only an idea, but afaik the only practical method that isn't W-shifts-by-1-with-mux
1721373;1507229376;mircea_popescu;aha.
1721374;1507229406;mircea_popescu;and it is in fact log-ish W
1721375;1507229418;apeloyee;I do log2(bitness/wordsize) shifts
1721376;1507229430;apeloyee;not number-of-words
1721377;1507229447;asciilifeform;apeloyee: Shift(A, S mod W) leaks S mod W on machines without a barrel shifter.
1721378;1507229546;apeloyee;I assumed the elementary shift doesn't leak. whatever, just do the sub-word shifts with the same algorithm (with word size 1)
1721379;1507229560;apeloyee;for exactly log(bitness) shifts and muxes.
1721380;1507229582;asciilifeform;is what i described above neh
1721381;1507229592;asciilifeform;nonleaking variant of apeloyee's algo.
1721382;1507229616;asciilifeform;and i suspect that he is right that it would beat doublewide-x variant.
1721383;1507229626;apeloyee;wrong. not wordsize-1 shifts; log2(wordsize) shifts.
1721384;1507229640;mircea_popescu;apeloyee no ints are ever exactly log(something) :D
1721385;1507229657;asciilifeform;he means bitness-of-wordsize - number of shifts
1721386;1507229663;mircea_popescu;i'm just being a pain.
1721387;1507229665;asciilifeform;lolk
1721388;1507229669;apeloyee;per spec the bitness is a power of two
1721389;1507229678;asciilifeform;indeed
1721390;1507229686;trinque;apeloyee: gpg: BAD04B14A4545828FABCE63C3DB30625393C0BB1: skipped: unusable public key << gpg has this to say about your fp
1721391;1507229696;mircea_popescu;!!key apeloyee
1721392;1507229697;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/BAD04B14A4545828FABCE63C3DB30625393C0BB1.asc
1721393;1507229710;mircea_popescu;trinque well in fairness, it does say BAD right there in the leadup
1721394;1507229714;trinque;lol
1721395;1507229717;trinque;case closed
1721396;1507229719;mod6;:D
1721397;1507229729;apeloyee;I did up myself once, and it worked
1721398;1507229741;asciilifeform;it imports here
1721399;1507229743;asciilifeform;gpg1.4.10
1721400;1507229745;mircea_popescu;trinque you got corrupted, key is fine
1721401;1507229753;asciilifeform;d00d has perfectly working pgpkey.
1721402;1507229775;trinque;yes, and I barfed the key out of same gpg to put it on the wot site
1721403;1507229777;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jLqmR/?raw=true << deets
1721404;1507229813;asciilifeform;oh hey it's a clock item
1721405;1507229817;asciilifeform;trinque's clock is ahead of mine
1721406;1507229826;asciilifeform;and key expired.
1721407;1507229835;asciilifeform;( in trinque's planet, but not yet here )
1721408;1507229860;asciilifeform;why didja make a key that expired in weeks, apeloyee ?!
1721409;1507229914;apeloyee;hm, right. well...
1721410;1507229921;mircea_popescu;what ?
1721411;1507229924;mircea_popescu;expires 0 ?
1721412;1507229958;apeloyee;the key expired.
1721413;1507229965;asciilifeform;subkey, to be specific.
1721414;1507230007;mircea_popescu;nuts
1721415;1507230022;mircea_popescu;apeloyee what was the thinking there ?!
1721416;1507230030;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/D8m5z/?raw=true << gory detail
1721417;1507230188;apeloyee;no thinking that i can think of.
1721418;1507230212;asciilifeform;apeloyee: please make a new one ? and give to trinque , signed with old
1721419;1507230226;asciilifeform;and possibly he will agree to swap it in.
1721420;1507230236;trinque;when I get around to it sure
1721421;1507230255;trinque;but this is getting ridiculous
1721422;1507230267;asciilifeform;ftr apeloyee has entirely valid, imho, algo, but terribly confusing pseudocode
1721423;1507230271;asciilifeform;!!up apeloyee
1721424;1507230272;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1721425;1507230435;asciilifeform;though it does look like it'll have to do log2(wordbitness) shifts for the initial subword slide, rather than 1, to avoid leaking on machines without barrel
1721426;1507230562;asciilifeform;( example : if wordbitness is 64, any subword shift is from 0 .. 63, and therefore can be expressed using 6 muxgated shifts . )
1721427;1507230597;asciilifeform;( first : 'maybe shift by 1' , second : 'maybe by 2', last : ' ... by 32' )
1721428;1507230607;apeloyee;so do you agree it's O(bitness log bitness) now?
1721429;1507230610;asciilifeform;same thing we do for the wholeword shift
1721430;1507230612;asciilifeform;aha
1721431;1507230648;apeloyee;painful, but probably beats a larger muliply
1721432;1507230653;asciilifeform;it gotta
1721433;1507230711;asciilifeform;ty for properly rubbing it in asciilifeform's nose, apeloyee
1721434;1507230717;apeloyee;btw, i'd like to know the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721304
1721435;1507230717;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 18:20 apeloyee: asciilifeform: ok, how it's different then from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716301
1721436;1507230718;asciilifeform;apparently ~nobody else properly reads.
1721437;1507230768;asciilifeform;apeloyee: it won't differ at all, once i have working shifter using your scheme.
1721438;1507230777;asciilifeform;as i understand will be quite exactly it.
1721439;1507230800;apeloyee;but but you said http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721079 !
1721440;1507230800;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:15 asciilifeform: the (unsurprising) surprise is that ^method is wholly absent from the public lit
1721441;1507230814;asciilifeform;i was discussing a 'shiftless' doublewide barrett
1721442;1507230827;apeloyee;so was I
1721443;1507230831;*;asciilifeform rereads
1721444;1507230832;apeloyee;in that link
1721445;1507230909;asciilifeform;apeloyee: what is B ?
1721446;1507230938;apeloyee; 4^K = R*N + B, 0 <= B <= N (line seven). pseudo-remainder.
1721447;1507231056;apeloyee;if N is 2^(K-1), then ordinary quotient won't fit in K+1 bits. but pseudo-quotient (one less the actual quotient) still works.
1721448;1507231118;apeloyee;meaning you divide 4^K - 1 by the modulus, not  4^K
1721449;1507231192;asciilifeform;why 4^k ?
1721450;1507231209;apeloyee;we had that thread today!!!
1721451;1507231217;asciilifeform;aa 2^(2k) ok
1721452;1507231269;asciilifeform;apeloyee: so what'd the correction step look like, with the pseudoquotient
1721453;1507231326;apeloyee;one subtraction and mux.
1721454;1507231360;asciilifeform;oh hm this worx.
1721455;1507231394;asciilifeform;adds exactly one sub-and-mux to the existing 3.
1721456;1507231398;asciilifeform;neato apeloyee , ty.
1721457;1507231421;apeloyee;why three?
1721458;1507231512;asciilifeform;was 3 in barrett's original proof. but with doublewide c, looks like only 1 ? ( though i do not yet have a proof for this )
1721459;1507231517;apeloyee;in the posted version exactly ONE is needed
1721460;1507231556;apeloyee;barrett original needed two
1721461;1507231560;asciilifeform;i can read, and see this. but why is it 1 ?
1721462;1507231619;apeloyee;A - N*floor(A*R/4^K) < 2*N <- do you agree with this? (the proof is unnecessarily complicated in that paste)
1721463;1507231707;asciilifeform;dunno if i do, still trying to swallow the proof.
1721464;1507231762;apeloyee;what step is a problem?
1721465;1507231791;asciilifeform;let's start with the above
1721466;1507231883;apeloyee;let rewind. A*R = A*(4^K - B)/N  = (A*4^K)/N - A*B/N; as B <= N, then the previous >= (A*4^K)/N - A. clear?
1721467;1507231931;asciilifeform;ok
1721468;1507231965;apeloyee;A <4^K, so the above strictly >(A*4^K)/N - A.
1721469;1507231987;apeloyee;which is equal to (A/N - 1)*4^K
1721470;1507232001;apeloyee;ie our result is off by at most one
1721471;1507232031;asciilifeform;ok indeed worx.
1721472;1507232062;apeloyee;and in one side only, as obv can't be bigger than (A/N)*4^K
1721473;1507232092;asciilifeform;!!up apeloyee
1721474;1507232092;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1721475;1507232164;asciilifeform;!!rate apeloyee 2 A - N*floor(A*R/4^K) < 2*N
1721476;1507232166;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/10DsF/?raw=true
1721477;1507232189;asciilifeform;!!v 17BC89B25DD39E071B293EDE353D50C10A165F320E436ED7FE36D996140DBBCC
1721478;1507232189;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of apeloyee from 1 to 2 << A - N*floor(A*R/4^K) < 2*N
1721479;1507232217;asciilifeform;eagle eyes, apeloyee . i dun suppose you have a constant time gcd up your sleeve ?
1721480;1507232231;apeloyee;now let's try generalizing to standard barrett (the error will grow to 2 of course). let L be number of digits in N: 2^(L-1) <= N < L. L is calc'd with the CLZ algorithm
1721481;1507232269;apeloyee;what you need a gcd *for*
1721482;1507232274;asciilifeform;miller-rabin
1721483;1507232288;apeloyee;I don't see any GCD in miller-rabin
1721484;1507232320;asciilifeform;for the initial sieve ~prior~ to miller-rabin
1721485;1507232333;asciilifeform;want to gcd(candidate, biggestprimorialthatfitsintheffabitness)
1721486;1507232341;apeloyee;why
1721487;1507232365;asciilifeform;save massive time
1721488;1507232379;asciilifeform;the other obvious place for gcd is rsa phi
1721489;1507232402;apeloyee;asciilifeform: just do trial division.
1721490;1507232404;asciilifeform;and in who knows what future numbertheoretical ops. we gotta have gcd.
1721491;1507232422;asciilifeform;trial division is dog slow vs gcd.
1721492;1507232481;apeloyee;you gcd is O(N^3), and so is trial divisiom
1721493;1507232493;apeloyee;*your
1721494;1507232507;asciilifeform;non-constanttime gcd is certainly not O(N^3)
1721495;1507232514;asciilifeform;why do you think constanttime gotta be, apeloyee ?
1721496;1507232527;asciilifeform;take lehmer's gcd as a starting point.
1721497;1507232542;apeloyee;I'm simply saying trial division is better than what you have
1721498;1507232557;asciilifeform;i dun have a working gcd yet
1721499;1507232569;apeloyee;you proposed a euclidean one.
1721500;1507232582;asciilifeform;euclidean'd be o(n^3) yes
1721501;1507232595;asciilifeform;( and still not constant time )
1721502;1507232637;apeloyee;just do some muxes in the end. 2*bitness divisions obv suffice (actually less, but I'm sleepy now)
1721503;1507232648;asciilifeform;currently i suspect that it is possible to constantize lehmer's logn gcd.
1721504;1507232688;asciilifeform;( or not ? )
1721505;1507232716;asciilifeform;hm, i must've been thinking of some other gcd algo, because lehmer's is a definite dead end.
1721506;1507232731;apeloyee;but here's an O(n^2 log n), for a large value of constant.
1721507;1507232731;asciilifeform;apeloyee: if you can think of a subquadratic constanttime gcd, plz do write in
1721508;1507232737;asciilifeform;oh??
1721509;1507232769;apeloyee;well, not subquadratic :( but obv correct
1721510;1507232786;asciilifeform;let's have it
1721511;1507232895;apeloyee;let a, b be inputs; a > b. shift b left so that it has one digit less than a (using CLZ and secretshift), subtract b from a repeatedly (at most thrice). b:= new result, a:=b
1721512;1507232913;asciilifeform;what happens if a <= b ??
1721513;1507232939;apeloyee;you sort them at the biginning, using a mux.
1721514;1507232962;asciilifeform;so i sorted them, answer is for the sorted pair then, not the actual pair neh
1721515;1507232973;asciilifeform;and say they're equal.
1721516;1507232974;asciilifeform;what then ?
1721517;1507233024;asciilifeform;other thing is that i dun see how this is constant time
1721518;1507233032;asciilifeform;time will vary massively depending on hamming weights
1721519;1507233047;apeloyee;on what planet gcd(a,b)<>gcd(b,a).
1721520;1507233069;asciilifeform;tru!!
1721521;1507233101;asciilifeform;q remains tho, how to handle a==b case
1721522;1507233105;apeloyee;if they're equal -that's the end, the gcd  is found. don't throw out the unshifted b.
1721523;1507233112;asciilifeform;that ain't constant time !!
1721524;1507233128;asciilifeform;thing has to take exactly.same.number.of.steps. regardless of what a,b equal.
1721525;1507233174;apeloyee;do what you'd do in euclidean.
1721526;1507233182;asciilifeform;pretty sure you just described lehmer's gcd, actually
1721527;1507233265;apeloyee;grind until you did (2*bitness) steps. since remainder can't be more than a/2.
1721528;1507233354;BingoBoingo;In other prohetics found in the prophecy mines: "In the entire Southeast Asia, the natives know quite well that the Western expats are nothing but biatches with no integrity whatsoever. Back in their own home countries, the Asians are dominating them in every professional fields, creating various gigantic ethnic enclaves and making them Westerners becoming mere simple cheap tourists. Whenever the Westerners visit any of the Asian-created
1721529;1507233354;BingoBoingo; ethnic enclaves, they never fail to put on a smile and admire everything Asian. Without the Asian industriousness and food, the Westerners will just be cave people just like their cave-dwelling ancestors not too long ago. One has to wonder why didn’t the Mongol overlords finish colonizing these Westerners and turned them into proper Asians. In the near future, the Chinese will just do that because the spineless lazy Westerners have gr
1721530;1507233354;BingoBoingo;own to be dependent on everything Chinese now."
1721531;1507233458;asciilifeform;apeloyee: maybe i'm thick, but i don't see how to grind 'shift so b has one digit less than a' a fixed number of times for all possible a and b.
1721532;1507233482;asciilifeform;can i persuade you to write this out as algo , apeloyee ?
1721533;1507233611;apeloyee;you shift (b) left by max(0,CLZ(a)-CLZ(b)-1) bits
1721534;1507233637;asciilifeform;yes that's one shot
1721535;1507233643;asciilifeform;but what are the fixed shots ?
1721536;1507233648;asciilifeform;and on what does their number depend.
1721537;1507233760;apeloyee;2*bitness shots suffice (actually less). see above http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721527  .i'll write it but not now.
1721538;1507233760;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 19:54 apeloyee: grind until you did (2*bitness) steps. since remainder can't be more than a/2.
1721539;1507233782;asciilifeform;ok laters then
1721540;1507233791;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1721541;1507233795;apeloyee;bye.
1721542;1507234815;trinque;!~later tell apeloyee glad to see someone grinding the ffa forward with asciilifeform. get me that fixed key!
1721543;1507234816;jhvh1;trinque: The operation succeeded.
1721544;1507241508;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/93H3s/?raw=true << possibly lulzy: garza convicted
1721545;1507241508;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1721546;1507241567;asciilifeform;tldr: usg inquisitor imposes 10mil $ fine, plus whatever jail ( decided later )
1721547;1507241662;asciilifeform;!#s garza
1721548;1507241663;a111;133 results for "garza", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=garza
1721549;1507242822;BingoBoingo;lol
1721550;1507243248;BingoBoingo;Scum scuming scum
1721551;1507249466;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721450 << lol.
1721552;1507249466;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 19:20 apeloyee: we had that thread today!!!
1721553;1507249501;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty sure that's BingoBoingo o no wait, was it cazalla's good friend ?
1721554;1507249507;mircea_popescu;the guy with the slutty wife.
1721555;1507249546;asciilifeform;waiwat who
1721556;1507249657;mircea_popescu;homero garza
1721557;1507249665;asciilifeform;aaa
1721558;1507249684;mircea_popescu;ran a fake miner farm scam fore a while in iirc 2013
1721559;1507249972;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721519 << ahaha
1721560;1507249972;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 19:50 apeloyee: on what planet gcd(a,b)<>gcd(b,a).
1721561;1507250045;mircea_popescu;alf is obv lefthanded, has http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716151 problems with commutativity.
1721562;1507250045;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 19:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lookx to me like your addition dun commute ( or associate... )
1721563;1507250054;*;mircea_popescu enjoyed reading convo, evidently enough.
1721564;1507250119;*;asciilifeform currently making an efficient seekritshift, it is somewhat tricky
1721565;1507250224;asciilifeform;incidentally ( and luckily for asciilifeform ) asciilifeform is not left-handed : left-handers were savagely beaten on asciilifeform's home world
1721566;1507250232;mircea_popescu;at age 4 ?
1721567;1507250236;asciilifeform;aha.
1721568;1507250239;mircea_popescu;tsk
1721569;1507250293;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721529 << ahahaha what is this bs, some other nobility elliot ?
1721570;1507250293;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 19:55 BingoBoingo:  ethnic enclaves, they never fail to put on a smile and admire everything Asian. Without the Asian industriousness and food, the Westerners will just be cave people just like their cave-dwelling ancestors not too long ago. One has to wonder why didn’t the Mongol overlords finish colonizing these Westerners and turned them into proper Asians. In the near future, the Chinese will just do that because the spineless lazy Westerners have gr
1721571;1507250313;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i take it this custom was not alive in classical ro ?
1721572;1507250337;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not really. they even tolerated left hand writing, to some degree.
1721573;1507250347;*;asciilifeform genuinely surprised
1721574;1507250350;mircea_popescu;bear in mind tho that i come from the civilised third of romania.
1721575;1507250399;asciilifeform;vlad's dukedom iirc ?
1721576;1507250420;mircea_popescu;no, vlad was voievode of the south, actually. this'd be the northwest.
1721577;1507250429;asciilifeform;oh hm.
1721578;1507250430;mircea_popescu;at the time, right and proper austrian lands.
1721579;1507250466;mircea_popescu;whereas most stories of romanian independenciality tend to come from 3rd 3rth, the north east.
1721580;1507250482;mircea_popescu;stephen and such.
1721581;1507250528;asciilifeform;interesting combo, boys fighting over meat in soup, but left-handing -- tolerated
1721582;1507250565;mircea_popescu;which soup is this ?
1721583;1507250597;asciilifeform;hm could've sworn it was in l0gz
1721584;1507250625;asciilifeform;alluded to in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615576 but iirc was in a trilema piece
1721585;1507250625;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 16:12 mircea_popescu: (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip)
1721586;1507250644;asciilifeform;where girls in mircea_popescu's school would beg him for meat or how did it go
1721587;1507250653;asciilifeform;did i dream this?
1721588;1507250659;mircea_popescu;boys fought for the proper cut of bread (ie, the end bit, for some reason, was the only proper bit). but the last time communal eating was common was just about kindergarten
1721589;1507250694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, yeah, but teh story was subtly different.
1721590;1507250731;mircea_popescu;such as -- 4yos ; girls not boys ; mostly me being an uppity snot. that sorta thing.
1721591;1507250847;asciilifeform;this piece was memorable, because at no point was meat any kind of luxury for asciilifeform & co.
1721592;1507250963;mircea_popescu;pretty much all common man could have for the asking wo9uld be dog food parts, lower chicken legs, necks, that sorta thing.
1721593;1507250968;mircea_popescu;this, throughout 80s.
1721594;1507251017;asciilifeform;nuts.
1721595;1507251047;mircea_popescu;romania had a plan!
1721596;1507255125;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/nateeee/ << Trilema - Nateeee
1721597;1507257770;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://archive.is/wskHt
1721598;1507257783;asciilifeform;d00d evidently did his homework.
1721599;1507258045;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform pretty sure that's BingoBoingo o no wait, was it cazalla's good friend ? << He was the cheif jizz mopper cazalla and self cut teeth on
1721600;1507258084;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ran a fake miner farm scam fore a while in iirc 2013 << Perhaps something that early but mostly 2014 thing. Complete collapse happened between Xmas and New Years
1721601;1507258150;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721569 << random response to whiny barangs
1721602;1507258150;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 00:38 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721529 << ahahaha what is this bs, some other nobility elliot ?
1721603;1507258435;BingoBoingo;In other 12 hour sagas "The remains of a possible fetus were discovered by a custodian Wednesday in the bathroom of Wirth-Parks Middle School in Cahokia. The coroner arrived at the scene shortly after 8:30 p.m. and carried a small, covered box into the school." << "‘Fetal remains’ found in school bathroom actually a used feminine hygiene pad"
1721604;1507260178;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's a barang ?
1721605;1507260505;BingoBoingo;Foreigner, in a language which apparently features a high degree of mutual intelligibility in its region
1721606;1507260519;asciilifeform;aaah gaijin
1721607;1507268294;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/alDC3/?raw=true
1721608;1507268294;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1721609;1507269063;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the plastic titty farm, http://78.media.tumblr.com/026b682e39e8d861144fc10671cf5777/tumblr_nqmymnrUUT1tzf701o1_1280.jpg
1721610;1507269183;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721597 << that url read "weak shit" to my first pass parser.
1721611;1507269183;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 02:42 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/wskHt
1721612;1507269398;mircea_popescu;in other news, HOLY SHIT has vegas gone down. seriously, that's how the rug and curtains of a "multi-millionaire"'s suite look like, in 2017 ?
1721613;1507269944;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721603 << i guess it's good the "custodian" paid close attention.
1721614;1507269944;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 02:53 BingoBoingo: In other 12 hour sagas "The remains of a possible fetus were discovered by a custodian Wednesday in the bathroom of Wirth-Parks Middle School in Cahokia. The coroner arrived at the scene shortly after 8:30 p.m. and carried a small, covered box into the school." << "‘Fetal remains’ found in school bathroom actually a used feminine hygiene pad"
1721615;1507269995;mircea_popescu;btw, is that the new "african american" pc term ? i seem to recall chapelle making a big deal out of wanting to be called a "custodian" in one of those hennifer-lopez level horrifyingly bad flicks he keeps churning out.
1721616;1507270016;mircea_popescu;custodian-american sure as fuck has a certain ring to it, huh.
1721617;1507270116;mircea_popescu;https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/imagebuzz/web04/2011/3/14/22/obama-fist-bumps-a-white-house-custodian-29908-1300156824-111.jpg << "and in this historical shoot, historical hussein bahamas engages in mate dance specific to his tribe with wild american-custodian provided by the event organizers."
1721618;1507285648;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu I can see that: "In them we Trust"
1721619;1507285648;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1721620;1507290020;Framedragger;hello! reporting alive status. went for extended travels through portugal and the likes, moved into apartment in homeland, managing whole new (to me) world of poly relationships, and other fun stuff.
1721621;1507290035;Framedragger;my sincere apologies for my AWOL.
1721622;1507290048;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721122 << trinque is correct, partly what happened. got busy, did not announce.
1721623;1507290048;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:33 trinque: if folks are ashamed of not having time for the republic, there's more shame in being unable to say so.
1721624;1507290167;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721301 << fwiw `/msg scriba help sexpr` (and json) works, but iirc cuts off line, so need to fix the cutoff. and obvs fix all the other by now accumulated stuff.
1721625;1507290167;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 18:20 mircea_popescu: ok so results of audit : Framedragger, shinohai, phf  : your bot has no help implemented whatsoever, in spite of spec. trinque Framedragger  you don't follow the json/sexpr portion, bot simply puts out the same help.
1721626;1507290205;*;Framedragger back later/tomorrow
1721627;1507290374;diana_coman;wb Framedragger
1721628;1507290920;Framedragger;ty diana_coman. sad to see the state of tmsr isp affairs. i suppose it was kind of always like this, the state simply got.. actualised, so to speak. still, am planning on giving small talk on ssh scan to hackerspace people, wanted to link to phuctor, now - can't. :(
1721629;1507290941;*;Framedragger will probably link to the cached http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/
1721630;1507290981;Framedragger;i assume that asciilifeform's recent ping was in connection to my attempt to update the cached stats - he saw the http request for one of the large pages on dulap when it was still alive
1721631;1507291058;diana_coman;Framedragger, I think there was some ping re the customs duty for fg when you were in the UK too
1721632;1507291077;Framedragger;ah there was that, too. will go thru backlog. still interested in some particular detail diana_coman?
1721633;1507291090;diana_coman;since I recently got similar notice to pay and I was trying to see if you had some post somewhere to link to
1721634;1507291138;diana_coman;I think the only sort of unclear thing is why the difference (mine was a bit higher) but it's probably correlated to value of package I suppose or something
1721635;1507291156;Framedragger;nah nothing like that, only those irc lines you saw.
1721636;1507291203;Framedragger;yeah i think they have a minimum VAT fee + royal mail fee, and then the VAT increases after some threshold of declared value or somesuch. or, increased fees / inflation...
1721637;1507291220;diana_coman;anyways re state of isp affairs I don't see it getting any better by itself
1721638;1507291436;Framedragger;yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho
1721639;1507291575;diana_coman;well, one can't commit what one doesn't have, sure
1721640;1507297740;mod6;mmornin'
1721641;1507297815;mircea_popescu;heya mod6
1721642;1507297963;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721620 << o hey.
1721643;1507297963;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 11:40 Framedragger: hello! reporting alive status. went for extended travels through portugal and the likes, moved into apartment in homeland, managing whole new (to me) world of poly relationships, and other fun stuff.
1721644;1507298159;diana_coman;hi mod6, I've set up a public node running vanilla trb, at 103.36.92.112; it's still getting up to date so probably not of much use yet but it's meant to stay as it is anyway (it's at ~260k atm)
1721645;1507298334;asciilifeform;wb Framedragger !
1721646;1507298424;mod6;diana_coman: awesome, thanks for standing that up!  let us know how it goes.
1721647;1507298439;asciilifeform;!~later tell Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721628 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721130
1721648;1507298439;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 11:55 Framedragger: ty diana_coman. sad to see the state of tmsr isp affairs. i suppose it was kind of always like this, the state simply got.. actualised, so to speak. still, am planning on giving small talk on ssh scan to hackerspace people, wanted to link to phuctor, now - can't. :(
1721649;1507298439;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:42 asciilifeform: i refreshed archive.is of all the major pages 2-3 day before dulap went
1721650;1507298440;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1721651;1507298486;diana_coman;mod6, np; and will do
1721652;1507298516;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721644 << what is 'vanilla trb' ?
1721653;1507298516;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 13:55 diana_coman: hi mod6, I've set up a public node running vanilla trb, at 103.36.92.112; it's still getting up to date so probably not of much use yet but it's meant to stay as it is anyway (it's at ~260k atm)
1721654;1507298575;asciilifeform;i.e. latest v(mod6)? ...or something else
1721655;1507298592;diana_coman;asciilifeform, no experimental changes/patches or anything, straight the build from http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
1721656;1507298666;asciilifeform;./v.pl p v trb54 makefiles.vpatch <<< is the answer
1721657;1507298684;asciilifeform;it's v('makefiles')
1721658;1507298742;*;asciilifeform suggests this, or equivalent, terminology. using v - be specific plox re what you pressed, makes it possible to reason meaningfully re eggogs later 
1721659;1507299043;diana_coman;asciilifeform, makes sense, noted
1721660;1507299909;mircea_popescu;"Although ISIS have repeatedly attempted to claim credit for the shooting, saying Paddock had recently converted to Islam, both his brother and authorities have dismissed the claims. He had 'no religious affiliation, no political affiliation,' Eric said, adding: 'He just hung out.'" << good soviet!
1721661;1507300035;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2977 / 19
1721662;1507300036;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2977 / 19 = 156.68421052631578
1721663;1507300057;mircea_popescu;!~calc 156.68421052631578 / 58
1721664;1507300058;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 156.68421052631578 / 58 = 2.701451905626134
1721665;1507300079;mircea_popescu;see, this is why no MAGA : us has been losing jobs to the east, where per-capita productivity is 170% higher.
1721666;1507300115;mircea_popescu;!~calc 6000 / 19
1721667;1507300116;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 6000 / 19 = 315.7894736842105
1721668;1507300124;asciilifeform;what's all these ?
1721669;1507300142;mircea_popescu;vs 527 injured, so check it out, maybe there's some merit to that "5.56 wound round" theory.
1721670;1507300157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform comparison of net results per capita of wtc bombing and lv shooting.
1721671;1507300160;asciilifeform;aaa
1721672;1507300222;mircea_popescu;dood had 37% the kill efficiency and 167% the wound efficiency of the wtc folks.
1721673;1507300250;asciilifeform;this counting what? just cartridges ? or with hotel bill ? his lunch ?
1721674;1507300254;mircea_popescu;heads.
1721675;1507300258;asciilifeform;cost, i mean
1721676;1507300262;mircea_popescu;yes.
1721677;1507300297;mircea_popescu;incidentally, either are many degrees of magnitude more valuable than any us citizen ever deployed in an armed conflict.
1721678;1507300320;mircea_popescu;teh russian ww2 snipers sorta come close, but not rly.
1721679;1507300333;asciilifeform;finland alltime recordsman iirc.
1721680;1507300348;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1721681;1507300362;asciilifeform;sniper can only dream of the 'packed train' target tho.
1721682;1507300369;mircea_popescu;true.
1721683;1507300380;mircea_popescu;goes right back to yest's atomic/city discussion.
1721684;1507300460;asciilifeform;recalls a funny incident in early 2000s when some d00d actually went around sniping in washington . locals went apeshit, you could see people on streets walk in zigzags, children kept at home, etc
1721685;1507300536;mircea_popescu;lol
1721686;1507300541;mod6;john malvo & john muhammad
1721687;1507300546;mircea_popescu;wtf is a zigzag gonna do to a scope.
1721688;1507300560;asciilifeform;'don't run from sniper, you'll just die tired' (tm)(r)
1721689;1507300573;mircea_popescu;exact equivalent of that "russian geologist bad hunter" joke
1721690;1507300646;mircea_popescu;anyway, consider asciilifeform : dood starts firing at 10pm, swat makes it in (as a "jumble", even) at 11:20.
1721691;1507300658;mircea_popescu;this is about as long room service takes in the god forsaken shithole.
1721692;1507302885;asciilifeform;folx queuing up again, supposedly, to buy the littleblackrifle
1721693;1507302905;asciilifeform;( the one of http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-08#372732 )
1721694;1507302905;a111;Logged on 2013-11-08 05:01 asciilifeform: "the little black rifle" which is useless to our cause!"
1721695;1507303018;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721660 << in ru sphere 'принял ислам' often is used in meaning 'darwined himself'
1721696;1507303018;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 14:25 mircea_popescu: "Although ISIS have repeatedly attempted to claim credit for the shooting, saying Paddock had recently converted to Islam, both his brother and authorities have dismissed the claims. He had 'no religious affiliation, no political affiliation,' Eric said, adding: 'He just hung out.'" << good soviet!
1721697;1507303050;asciilifeform;( sometimes generically in sense of 'finally went to meet allah' )
1721698;1507303092;shinohai;Those 72 virgins ain't gonna fuck themselves.
1721699;1507303263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the amusing bit to my ear was the implicit "only good citizen is citizen who isn't doing anything"
1721700;1507303292;mircea_popescu;we're supposed to think he's respectable because he was purportedly inactive in EXACTLY the same manner we'd have been supposed to think him respectable for being active, in the same place a century prior.
1721701;1507305015;lobbesbot;!!up lobbes
1721702;1507305016;deedbot;lobbes voiced for 30 minutes.
1721703;1507305021;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721301 << My bot's not following spec either. I'll be tinkering with it this weekend anyway so I'll add this to my list of tinkerings
1721704;1507305021;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 18:20 mircea_popescu: ok so results of audit : Framedragger, shinohai, phf  : your bot has no help implemented whatsoever, in spite of spec. trinque Framedragger  you don't follow the json/sexpr portion, bot simply puts out the same help.
1721705;1507305035;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-september-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), September 2017 Statement
1721706;1507305181;mircea_popescu;lobbes cool
1721707;1507305191;mircea_popescu;speaking of ^ asciilifeform , how's the isp thing going ?
1721708;1507305235;mircea_popescu;lobbes turns out i named Framedragger twice, but the first instance was supposed to be you lol/
1721709;1507305591;mircea_popescu;http://www.nacion.com/sucesos/desastres/deslizamiento-Miramar-puntarenense-Montes-Oro_LNCIMA20171005_0090_1.jpg << in other chocolate bites.
1721710;1507305629;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did we ever publicly proclaim the details ?
1721711;1507305640;*;asciilifeform assumed it was being saved for the broadcast
1721712;1507305642;mircea_popescu;certainly not so far.
1721713;1507305674;asciilifeform;oh hey there it is
1721714;1507305677;*;asciilifeform reads...
1721715;1507305750;asciilifeform;soooo since mircea_popescu already broke the radio silence, i will put on record :
1721716;1507305854;asciilifeform;asciilifeform prepared a quantity of servers, each approx. similar to spec of dulap-II ; these will be colocated, under the banner of s.nsa, and a certain number leased to folx in l1 .
1721717;1507305944;trinque;specs? rate?
1721718;1507305963;trinque;ah I'm sorry, "each"
1721719;1507305967;trinque;so then just rate?
1721720;1507305982;asciilifeform;trinque: not proclaimed yet
1721721;1507305982;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but specifically re the colocation part ?
1721722;1507306050;asciilifeform;re colocation, i have 1 positive answer from india;  0 from ru ( apparently ru folx are decent XOR likedoingbusinesswithforeign ? )
1721723;1507306073;asciilifeform;asciilifeform continues to write letters, most without answer.
1721724;1507306101;mircea_popescu;heh. the errybody wants to not-do anything extends to dcs, does it.
1721725;1507306120;mircea_popescu;iirc BingoBoingo was pounding the arabs/sw azns.
1721726;1507306122;trinque;will there be additional space in the rack to rent, or must rent a machine?
1721727;1507306130;*;trinque has an xserve g5 collecting dust
1721728;1507306159;asciilifeform;trinque: the iron, as probably surprises no one, is the easy part.
1721729;1507306159;mircea_popescu;trinque i expect parking your own will be available.
1721730;1507306186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you talk to teh russkis in russian neh ? what foreigner ?
1721731;1507306225;asciilifeform;in ru of course. but i don't have a phone or post box in ru.
1721732;1507306252;asciilifeform;seems as if it is deal killer, given that i wrote to dozen and 0 answered.
1721733;1507306261;mircea_popescu;all these vast empires of grandiose technological achievements which upon examination fail to actually exist in any meaningful sense.
1721734;1507306265;asciilifeform;aha.
1721735;1507306293;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in abstract geometries and other non-eluciderean spaces, http://68.media.tumblr.com/779edccbb52931b59bf7be8ce9cf0af2/tumblr_nrbao7rYPY1sd72xuo1_1280.jpg
1721736;1507306301;asciilifeform;they exist, if exist at all, orc-style, 'for me and mine', not for whoever devils.
1721737;1507306318;asciilifeform;holy fuq is that an arse or a torso
1721738;1507306339;mircea_popescu;"and why did you bury this car halfway in the mud, mr X ?" "well, gotta produce cars for our own consumption, postmodern free trade world. what can you do."
1721739;1507306339;trinque;if you pinch the nipples, do they go back to normal size?
1721740;1507306348;asciilifeform;trinque: if you bring a pin
1721741;1507306350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ass dun have nubbins.
1721742;1507306364;asciilifeform;it could if diseased correctly.
1721743;1507306377;mircea_popescu;in any case, these aren't even that huge.
1721744;1507306383;mircea_popescu;the chick's just too tinyfor them is all.
1721745;1507306390;asciilifeform;lol
1721746;1507306416;*;mircea_popescu is not even kidding. ~1.1 liters or so. with ~1 liter being the low-average, in the sense of "average computed after excluding the outlying 10%"
1721747;1507306526;asciilifeform;back to thread upstack : parking a 1U in india runs avg. 1-3hundy u.s. , depending on amperage and bandwidth curve.
1721748;1507306543;asciilifeform;if purchased by whole vertical rack -- about 1/2-2/3 of this.
1721749;1507306546;mircea_popescu;yearly ?
1721750;1507306549;asciilifeform;monthly.
1721751;1507306555;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i really don't see point of buying less than 1 rack.
1721752;1507306560;mircea_popescu;and why not get for year.
1721753;1507306567;asciilifeform;eggs/basket
1721754;1507306585;mircea_popescu;eh, get out. that's the egg size.
1721755;1507306591;asciilifeform;ideally strength is in having 25 locations, not massive room in one ?
1721756;1507306598;mircea_popescu;you know the above ru may well be a case of "we don't deal with weirdos trying to get 1u for 1mo"
1721757;1507306603;asciilifeform;entirely possible.
1721758;1507306604;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 25 locations, 25 racks.
1721759;1507306616;asciilifeform;do we have 25 racks worth of biznis lined up ?
1721760;1507306621;mircea_popescu;to quote the celebrated mr wolf, "get out of the sticks, boys."
1721761;1507306637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nevermind that. many worse ways to waste money ; not many better.
1721762;1507306655;asciilifeform;aite, i'ma then switch to asking for rack/yr.
1721763;1507306721;mircea_popescu;re-do ru like that!
1721764;1507306732;asciilifeform;ru & the rest.
1721765;1507306840;asciilifeform;!~seen phf
1721766;1507306840;jhvh1;asciilifeform: phf was last seen in #trilema 2 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <phf> asciilifeform: that i figured out, the whole contraption reminds me of that ru anti-temper device pdf that you posted recently
1721767;1507306855;asciilifeform;iirc he had a lead also.
1721768;1507307410;asciilifeform;in other lulz, ye olde 1990s 'communications decency act' is back: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1693
1721769;1507307473;asciilifeform;guts the commoncarrier provision of clinton era
1721770;1507307523;asciilifeform;( i.e. mandates full time stable of censors at whatever isp , and whatever slips through, isp still liable )
1721771;1507310049;ben_vulpes;heh yeah the sex trafficking thing
1721772;1507310062;ben_vulpes;"foar teh children!"
1721773;1507312255;asciilifeform;!!up phf
1721774;1507312255;deedbot;phf voiced for 30 minutes.
1721775;1507312427;phf;i've talked to a handful of 1 hop from mmtsm9 collocation facilities in moscows, and they can do 1u or rack. i also have a trusted non-wot who can oversee or handle the installation. if we're doing a rack, and "worse ways to waste money" me can try and go straight for mmtsm9 (which is rostelekom's main internet relay, i.e. local web providers, like telcos etc put their equipment there)
1721776;1507312491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1721777;1507312504;asciilifeform;phf: get quote for the rack.
1721778;1507312544;phf;i've not had time to get a corporation going this time around (mostly i need to figure out what the tax structure is going to be), but i'll be going back in a couple of months.
1721779;1507312588;phf;i have someone who can handle these requests on my behalf though, for legitimacy
1721780;1507312779;asciilifeform;neato phf .
1721781;1507313233;phf;i've catching up with the going ons in d.c. since i came back, so have a bit of low bandwidth at the moment. should free up in a week or so
1721782;1507313263;asciilifeform;phf: there are goings-on in dc ?!
1721783;1507313269;asciilifeform;or you mean phf's saecular matters.
1721784;1507313276;phf;yes, it's called life :)
1721785;1507313278;asciilifeform;aa.
1721786;1507313459;phf;there's curiously a lot of protests in d.c., with very well designed posters: artistic variations on the clenched fist, nice typefaces, the works.
1721787;1507313554;mircea_popescu;phf so concrete figures here ?
1721788;1507313654;mircea_popescu;on the home front : we clearly need a box for phuctor, i will also want a box for eulora ; there's also need for a third box for general purpose bitcoining/qntra/etc. that's three, plus whatever anyone else wants to add. iirc we also got 3 box servers ready to fly out.
1721789;1507313889;mircea_popescu;there's seemingly a lot of distance from this to 42u, but once the chinese woman tbf is hiring (is it ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ? what's incremental from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688633 discussion ?) starts hitting the hosting forums with offers...
1721790;1507313889;a111;Logged on 2017-07-21 18:42 mircea_popescu: is this something the foundation may maybe consider ? open us an embassy in beijing, hire a chick to sit there 4 hours/day or such ?
1721791;1507314045;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721786 << this, fwiw, isn't even the giveaway it used to be. i personally supervised the release of piles upon piles of posters in us university campuses, for a very modicum costs. people off fiver just print what you give them, and put it up. nothing keeps you from having them print something decent, and with the abundance of "kids who fucked around with adobe illustrator instead of doing t
1721792;1507314045;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 18:10 phf: there's curiously a lot of protests in d.c., with very well designed posters: artistic variations on the clenched fist, nice typefaces, the works.
1721793;1507314045;mircea_popescu;heir job" these days...
1721794;1507314055;mircea_popescu;every nonprofit has one, including nonprofits that don't actually exist.
1721795;1507314644;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/five-bucks-for-great-justice/ << example.
1721796;1507314809;mircea_popescu;!!up phf`
1721797;1507314810;deedbot;phf` voiced for 30 minutes.
1721798;1507314816;phf`;not home, and i also didn't have time to process the information in detail yet, but i piped in since there was conversation. depends on what we want, baseline avg 3000 rub/mo $50 to put a 1u rack, with a 100mbit line, 300W. line is typically not metered, but also not guaranteed. then depends on our needs, an unmetered guaranteed 100 mbit line will cost another ~~$100 mo (to 1gbit around ~$500), plus whatever over cap on power usage.
1721799;1507314852;mircea_popescu;and if getting a whole 4/16/36/42 ? lockable sets ?
1721800;1507314860;mircea_popescu;and if paid by year/quarter ?
1721801;1507314909;asciilifeform;phf`: my boxes need ~700W ea. ( and have 2 redundant ps, so 2 wires, any 1 of each may draw 700 )
1721802;1507314941;mircea_popescu;and rubles, fine. but usd wires also ? bitcoin ?
1721803;1507314964;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 700W rackable boxes ?
1721804;1507314974;asciilifeform;correct
1721805;1507314975;mircea_popescu;300-350 is where teh standard is, what are these.
1721806;1507314978;asciilifeform;opterons!
1721807;1507314983;mircea_popescu;2Us.
1721808;1507314985;asciilifeform;1u.
1721809;1507314994;asciilifeform;they're here.
1721810;1507315004;mircea_popescu;they're not 1u if they draw 2u power yo.
1721811;1507315008;asciilifeform;they're 1u.
1721812;1507315010;mircea_popescu;and lo how quick a rack doth fill.
1721813;1507315014;asciilifeform;the ruler doesn't lie.
1721814;1507315016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not at 700w wtf already.
1721815;1507315022;mircea_popescu;size is only part of this discussion.
1721816;1507315024;asciilifeform;argue with the ampermeter, mircea_popescu .
1721817;1507315031;asciilifeform;size is 1u.
1721818;1507315052;asciilifeform;44.5 mm .
1721819;1507315079;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is why you get rack : so you can specify something like 14.4KW and 24 Gbit link and then sort it inside.
1721820;1507315085;asciilifeform;right.
1721821;1507315088;mircea_popescu;otherwise it quickly devolves into hopeless.
1721822;1507315101;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721789 << gears grinding. i don't know anyone in beijing, but i've got a line on some folks in chengdu for translation services and building lists of eg datacenters
1721823;1507315101;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 18:18 mircea_popescu: there's seemingly a lot of distance from this to 42u, but once the chinese woman tbf is hiring (is it ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ? what's incremental from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688633 discussion ?) starts hitting the hosting forums with offers...
1721824;1507315267;phf`;mircea_popescu: i'll look into it. it would be helpful to know how many Us we'll be putting upfront, but i'll look at a rack. also i've no idea what kind of traffic requirements something like eulora or phuctor have.
1721825;1507315309;phf`;i've no idea about bitcoins or dollars, since i have facilities to pay necessary amounts in roubles.
1721826;1507315369;mircea_popescu;ah you can just handle rouble ? send you 10btc, you send out w/e 2.5mn rou or w./e it is ?
1721827;1507315408;phf`;there's a bitcoin craze in russia right now (i.e. talk shows on t.v. discussing bitcoin as investment platform. dorky former FIDO node administrators talking about bitcoin mining on a rig in their apartments, etc.) so i wouldn't be surprised if i can find a colo that takes bitcoins. i haven't noticed one yet though
1721828;1507315422;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes gears grinding for 10 weeks!
1721829;1507315440;ben_vulpes;i know, i know.
1721830;1507315454;asciilifeform;the alarm rang on sep 14 iirc
1721831;1507315458;mircea_popescu;phf` i don't specifically care what they take ; but whatever it is they take, we'll have to figure out a process.
1721832;1507315473;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this "hire chinese chick in china" thing's been ongoing discussion.
1721833;1507315476;ben_vulpes;moving, and an afk crisis in my life are eating my time.
1721834;1507315499;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i recall mod6 sending me a proposed draft for something at some point, but also weeks ago.
1721835;1507315523;asciilifeform;asciilifeform will be , if plan worx, equipped to usd/rubleize/etc btc in necessary qties, before november
1721836;1507315526;mircea_popescu;phf` so the question is very specifically, what do they take, and how do we sort it out ; it's in no case a "let's filter out whoever doesn't take bitcoins"
1721837;1507315550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's good. also want more than 1 of these.
1721838;1507315564;asciilifeform;absolutely, otherwise asteroid will fall on asciilifeform much faster than expected
1721839;1507315569;mircea_popescu;right.
1721840;1507315638;mircea_popescu;phf` anyway, we're getting, imo, the smallest lockable, stand-alone item. whichever that is. in no case less than 4u, except really, we much prefer to discuss by the kw and gb, as seen in the convo earlier.
1721841;1507315686;ben_vulpes;i wrote a "hey tmsr, what would you use a cn embassy for" draft, which you saw, but since then i opened a line of conversation with a meatwot gentleman on the ground in cn who's working with me on finding dcs in chengdu and beijing in which i can lease a rack. "embassy chick" not at the forefront of these discussions because republican state of emergency.
1721842;1507315699;mircea_popescu;aha.
1721843;1507315801;ben_vulpes;translator also part of the deal.
1721844;1507315859;mircea_popescu;so woting not part of deal ?
1721845;1507315967;ben_vulpes;someone will hafta.
1721846;1507315983;mircea_popescu;so tell gentleman to make himself an account neh ? easier to comm here than via email or w/e anyway.
1721847;1507316131;ben_vulpes;more important to me to get the locals into the wot, but i hear you
1721848;1507316209;phf`;mircea_popescu: right, i figured paying is not going to be a problem, either directly with btc or in the format that you've described. finding a reliable colo, getting a number down. unfortunately i don't have a good feel for russian colo space yet, and people i talked to while happy with their colos didn't necessarily have tmsr demands.
1721849;1507316219;mircea_popescu;the more of a chain is wot-illuminated, the better link control.
1721850;1507316245;mircea_popescu;phf` well, on the other hand we gotta start somewhere. it's an adventure!
1721851;1507316268;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> iirc BingoBoingo was pounding the arabs/sw azns. << For some definitions of pounding, perhaps other definitions later
1721852;1507316286;mircea_popescu;anyone inclined to go "oh i'd have done a much better job" after any particular doing is going to find himself buried under a thick wall of "why the fuck didn't you DO IT then!".
1721853;1507316299;mircea_popescu;and i'm thinking of eventualk jdws here specifically.
1721854;1507316309;phf`;mircea_popescu: right, that would be the correct spirit :)
1721855;1507316320;mircea_popescu;ie http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720052
1721856;1507316320;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 03:44 mircea_popescu: fwiw, jdw = jeff wheelhouse = https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2353366181/bq71cdufsrasc0sqxk8k_400x400.png
1721857;1507316689;ben_vulpes;!!up phf`
1721858;1507316690;deedbot;phf` voiced for 30 minutes.
1721859;1507316818;phf`;the place to be is of course http://www.mmts9.ru they do have 1/2 rack but i haven't tried them, since wasn't sure about our requirements. they can even get you a personal cage. antenna placement on the rooftop so we can put a microwave relay, the works :p
1721860;1507316888;mircea_popescu;eh, fuck the works. lemme quote from minigame boardroom : <dc> aia, am crezut ca na, ai ramas si fara net de la vanturi alea
1721861;1507316888;mircea_popescu;<mp> pai am si ramas. adica : cind bate vint au problema cablurile, cind is nori incarcati are problema radio si cind is densi are problema satelitye uplink. intre cele trei m-o tot chitait doua zile de am cedat nervos si m-am dus sa ma culc ieri
1721862;1507316905;mircea_popescu;ie, approximately, "wind hurts cables, charged clouds block radio, thick clouds block satellite, fuck it all."
1721863;1507316953;mircea_popescu;i definitely want the dc to provide the uplink with w/e guarantee they can manage. i get it, outside of nato 99.999% isn't so common, but whatever they got.
1721864;1507316966;phf`;well, in this case this is equivalent of sitting on the outside pipeline. everything else is a hop away, though the guys i was talking to sit on various short fibers from the facility
1721865;1507316979;mircea_popescu;aha. that's how it's done.
1721866;1507316996;mircea_popescu;or rather, that's why normal people don't pick a hill in the midle of the jungle to plop down servers on.
1721867;1507317287;phf`;are the servers sitting at vendors ready to ship to a destination, also is it going to go proper shipping container or through a consumer service? latter doesn't work reliably in russia and is generally discouraged
1721868;1507317314;mircea_popescu;afaik fedex has 100% of server delivery market.
1721869;1507317319;mircea_popescu;anyway, at least 3 are waiting.
1721870;1507317340;mircea_popescu;how do these people normally deliver their parts ?
1721871;1507317355;asciilifeform;servers are a wk or so from ready-to-recrate ( burn-in testing, gentooization ) and will be shipped via whatever carrier phf` comes up with
1721872;1507317380;asciilifeform;initially -- 3.
1721873;1507317443;phf`;kk
1721874;1507317546;phf`;i'll have to look into it, if they were sitting on my porch, i'd send them by freight. i think dhl/fedex have suspended services to russia, to individuals though, i'm not sure what's the deal with corporate.
1721875;1507317559;mircea_popescu;ahaha really ?
1721876;1507317570;mircea_popescu;so what, russia has no business courier service now ?
1721877;1507317572;mircea_popescu;dhl ? what ?
1721878;1507317586;mircea_popescu;rossex ?
1721879;1507317591;phf`;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dhl-russia/dhl-fedex-suspend-shipments-to-russian-customers-idUSBREA0M1JX20140123
1721880;1507317604;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1721881;1507317643;mircea_popescu;so basically russia argentinized itself, or what is it.
1721882;1507317680;asciilifeform;looks like circa 2014 . still current ?
1721883;1507317715;phf`;i suspect there's postal offices, "yandex package" and also some kind of baygun delivery service that can overnight from a chinese factory
1721884;1507317721;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine the country actually works without some kind of such service though. i mean really, how do yo uget a wrench, walk to factory ?
1721885;1507317852;phf`;asciilifeform: i can't find any news updates, last i heard from people is that fedhl packages go, but spend weeks to months in customs, for "inspection"
1721886;1507317876;asciilifeform;sounds like the only us-ru courier is now suitcase.
1721887;1507317901;mircea_popescu;which brings to the fore the q "do we even wanna deal with russia".
1721888;1507317954;asciilifeform;pretty stiff membrane, but i thought that was ~entire appeal
1721889;1507317982;asciilifeform;poorly porous to us, but theoretically even moar so to pantsuit
1721890;1507317990;mircea_popescu;well, they've gotta be able to receive the machines.
1721891;1507318004;mircea_popescu;this part's not negotiable. how else would it work ?
1721892;1507318015;asciilifeform;and also spare hds.
1721893;1507318040;mircea_popescu;if it's "two weeks to find out if you have to wait two weeks more or not" is how everything is done, utterly not worth bothering with.
1721894;1507318053;mircea_popescu;and their historical hallucinations of sovereignity etc do promise a lot of idiocy in that vein.
1721895;1507318073;asciilifeform;if they let in suitcase, problem is solvable
1721896;1507318095;mircea_popescu;what, and fly every time a computer needs a new buttplug ?
1721897;1507318108;mircea_popescu;no computer is, ever was, or ever could be worth this much love.
1721898;1507318120;asciilifeform;3-5 yrs is normal life for a box
1721899;1507318162;mircea_popescu;it's a ddos vector dood. i'm not paying to get a rack so that enemy has a method to burn my engineer work hours. wtf.
1721900;1507318171;phf`;well, we're speculating right now, i just know that it's something to think about. this dhl/fedex restriction is for individuals. perhaps business shipments fall under different rules.
1721901;1507318186;mircea_popescu;phf` i am speculating. but there must be a way to get machiens there for it to work.
1721902;1507318232;mircea_popescu;i don't even care, sure, if they have their own state courier they're trying to prop up in this way, more power to them, we'll use it.
1721903;1507318243;mircea_popescu;but there is a huge difference between intelligent sovereignity and soviet idiocy.
1721904;1507318254;phf`;mircea_popescu: that's understandable. but also we're and what we're shipping. e.g. hard drives can be purchased and replaced on the ground. it's a colo, ~someone~ will have to do a replacement and it's necessarily not going to be the facility
1721905;1507318261;phf`;*not necessarily
1721906;1507318277;mircea_popescu;phf` except we ship boxes, as i understood the design, not for them to stick hands in our parts.
1721907;1507318323;phf`;so we're explicitly shipping boxes from asciilifeform's home lab to a colo?
1721908;1507318355;asciilifeform;phf`: initially yes.
1721909;1507318358;phf`;it seems that whatever space that's going to satisfy our needs is also going to make it non-trivial to exchange items with ~washington dc~
1721910;1507318359;mircea_popescu;unless we have a ~trusted~ engineer on the actual ground there, we will be shipping from wherever it is convenient to ship. but items originate with us, not with randos.
1721911;1507318379;mircea_popescu;i dunno that it's wash dc specifically, or alf specifically.
1721912;1507318383;asciilifeform;phf`: we install , for instance, FG. ain't nobody else who will do it.
1721913;1507318392;mircea_popescu;but it is VERY specifically NOT "oh, whoever anon herp"
1721914;1507318441;phf`;mircea_popescu: that was never under consideration.
1721915;1507318452;mircea_popescu;but yes, sure, my ideal world would be for you to live there and assemble them yourself, and go to colo and install self, and document whole thing on your blog.
1721916;1507318485;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, this "your raid needs new hdds hurr" thing is not flying. i don't need to "hire" a "colo" for them to re-do the whole cherryservers bs for me, now do i.
1721917;1507318499;mircea_popescu;!!up phf`
1721918;1507318500;deedbot;phf` voiced for 30 minutes.
1721919;1507318516;mircea_popescu;if i wanted that i could have it for the same coupla hundy or w/e. heck, apparently they'd even do it for free if we don't make fun of them for it.
1721920;1507318627;phf`;i've no idea where that straw man came from. shipping things from u.s. to russia is tricky, but everything else is inherent in the problem. a ~colo~ in russia only makes sense if i also can somehow facilitate trusted upkeep. whether or not we can overnight a hard drive isn't going to make a difference in that case
1721921;1507318630;mircea_popescu;so in this sense : an unmanned operation behind a maybe-porous wall is not in any sense useful.
1721922;1507318664;mircea_popescu;phf` well, strawman came from trying to discuss a rather unconstrained by actual data universe of possibilities.
1721923;1507318710;mircea_popescu;i don't expect overnighting is the point. what's the point is that there's little difference between a colo you email to and run of the mill "dedicated servers" hosting.
1721924;1507318720;phf`;i suspect that with proper infra we can overnight whatever we want. but a proper infra in this case might just be a corporation in russia, a corporation in u.s., a business account with fedhl, etc.
1721925;1507318728;mircea_popescu;trusted upkeep means things, very specifically.
1721926;1507318739;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> poorly porous to us, but theoretically even moar so to pantsuit << Appeal of jungle is non-interference in white man's affairs. Downside is shifting past marketing speak to discover "1GBP/s unmetered (30Mb/s international)"
1721927;1507318743;mircea_popescu;phf` that wouldn't be a problem in principle. just has to be done.
1721928;1507318781;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol because i totally need 1gbps to talk to the rest of the pinoys or w/e"
1721929;1507318788;phf`;mircea_popescu: if you're implying that my plan for colo was to ~hire~ people ~from~ colocation facility to do a sensitive operation like hard drive replacement, then i can't even! :)
1721930;1507318800;mircea_popescu;phf` im not implying anything, and certainly not about you!
1721931;1507318822;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, that one was Vietcong
1721932;1507318845;mircea_popescu;i think they eat up almost a gb of trilema
1721933;1507318851;mircea_popescu;per month tho. not per second.
1721934;1507318915;phf`;right, so this kind of logistics need to be figured out. which also explains why you started talking about hosting 3 years ago..
1721935;1507318927;mircea_popescu;heh. lemme show you something.
1721936;1507318940;BingoBoingo;Checks one box, opaque to pantsuit. Fails on its soviet style USSA idiocy.
1721937;1507318956;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/primul-ipo-si-alte-consideratii/
1721938;1507318978;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if there existed a sane crowned head we would probably never have this thread to begin with
1721939;1507318988;mircea_popescu;april 2012, that's... well...
1721940;1507319038;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Which is why we may end up with 25 racks per lord and half the lords running ISPs
1721941;1507319066;mircea_popescu;hopefully Framedragger is polyamorying with female sysadmins.
1721942;1507319743;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the projects, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b6293de5953f1604865fbe4a78517c72/tumblr_nq3c9lXYJe1r2sy0fo1_540.gif
1721943;1507320310;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "for the end user, ux is not a part of your product -- ux IS THE PRODUCT!!" lulz, https://thehackernews.com/2017/10/macos-high-sierra-apfs-password.html
1721944;1507320447;BingoBoingo;In other ???, Heather Heyer, the fat Charlottesville "victim" apparently died of a heart attack and not Dodge Challenger induced injuries http://www.vdare.com/articles/anarcho-tyranny-update-mounting-proof-that-the-charlottesville-five-are-political-prisoners
1721945;1507320480;mircea_popescu;aaand today in "just give me the justices" social-thing news, https://www.fundedjustice.com/a1Hvve
1721946;1507320536;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "coronary was BECAUSE SHE WAS FAT, and NOT because she was an excited fat person someone drove a car into" ?
1721947;1507320629;BingoBoingo;If morbidly obese and has coronary while excited, cause of excitement is not material. Could have just as well been seeing a pallet of "Count Chocula" "breakfast cereal" causing terminal excitement.
1721948;1507320717;BingoBoingo;Allowing a tort against the car with such a massive and sclerotic mitigating circumstance is insanity.
1721949;1507320804;mircea_popescu;well that's hwat tort is.
1721950;1507321060;mircea_popescu;and in other random dribbles : i was going by teh sabana park (huge park here), noticed they had cut down some rainbow eucaliptus trees. so i had car stopped and... got a chunk for the trunk.
1721951;1507321177;BingoBoingo;Sweet
1721952;1507321189;BingoBoingo;Free smellwood
1721953;1507321198;mircea_popescu;it's not that fragrant.
1721954;1507321398;BingoBoingo;Yet! Start making some sawdust!
1721955;1507321439;mircea_popescu;lol
1721956;1507321494;asciilifeform;in vehehehehery other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719744 >>> the 16s is now 2s, and with room for obvious 8x speedup further on
1721957;1507321494;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 19:43 asciilifeform: ( the 16s incidentally is , e.g., 10s, on intel box )
1721958;1507321556;asciilifeform;( barrett with 8192b barretoids, i.e. 16384bit mult via ordinary symmetric karatsuba with simple brutal slice , rather than apeloyee's shift )
1721959;1507321603;*;BingoBoingo does not know what other purpose free exotic wood from tree execution could serve other than production of curio or knickknack to celebrate the fortunate happenstance
1721960;1507321636;BingoBoingo;Not like it hasn't already been shaped by tree's executioner
1721961;1507321687;mircea_popescu;i dunno, so far i just got it.
1721962;1507321883;BingoBoingo;Well, keep it somewhere visible and eventually something will strike the fancy.
1721963;1507322954;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/LHHTp/?raw=true << mod6 , mircea_popescu, et al .
1721964;1507322990;asciilifeform;( 8x speedup -- exercise for reader. )
1721965;1507323018;asciilifeform;2.02sec per 4096b^4096b mod 4096b on the goldstandardopteron.
1721966;1507323165;asciilifeform;that is, modexp.
1721967;1507323305;*;mod6 looks
1721968;1507323316;asciilifeform;trinque you can replicate this now, just replace your modexp with the one seen here.
1721969;1507323369;asciilifeform;mod6: this is the most brutal possible method that can still be called barrett : didn't even make use yet of the fact that we only want the upper halves of the mul results
1721970;1507323414;asciilifeform;( not to mention did not yet even try to use apeloyee's secret-normalization method : instead we use a completely unshifted dividend , and cut it in the end)
1721971;1507323570;asciilifeform;so right now every 8192b mod 4096b op ( of which 4096b modexp has 4096*2==8192 ) costs 2 8192b*8192b -> 16384 mul's and a few subs. which still beats the living shit out of knuthian div.
1721972;1507323790;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1721973;1507323792;asciilifeform;incidentally ~95% of the work ffa does in modexp, now, is multiplication. which means that there is further 20-25% speedup waiting to be had when i get bernsteinian optimization for karatsuba ( haven't yet figured it out, he buried it deep in a paper , as if he were an alchemist, quite cryptically ) and another 10-20% optimization if we move to unrolled comba ( see august thread. )
1721974;1507323796;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4328.05, vol: 8924.41613709 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4335.3, vol: 27386.14936518 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4339.0, vol: 3262.05582362 | Volume-weighted last average: 4333.96997918
1721975;1507323904;asciilifeform;let's see who has usable rsatron first, asciilifeform or diana_coman ...
1721976;1507324043;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I thought you were aiming for "what-we-want" rather than merely "usable-for-lack-of-what-we-actually-want"
1721977;1507324069;asciilifeform;me -- yes. but my understanding was that diana_coman needed only rsa.
1721978;1507324098;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform makes a general-purpose numbertheoretical item, broader than 'here is modexp' )
1721979;1507324158;asciilifeform;2s modexp, btw, is a ~10-20min keygen time.
1721980;1507324176;ben_vulpes;hey, notbad
1721981;1507324307;diana_coman;asciilifeform, eulora needs a client-server communication protocol that at least allows client to decide for self the compromise between cost and some degree of confidentiality+integrity for the info it exchanges
1721982;1507324329;asciilifeform;diana_coman: elaborate re 'decide for self' plox
1721983;1507324445;diana_coman;asciilifeform, aka has access to some know to adjust cost vs protection essentially
1721984;1507324453;diana_coman;knob*
1721985;1507324484;asciilifeform;diana_coman: how do you picture this looking in practice ? variable-length keys ?
1721986;1507324497;diana_coman;obv atm nobody can actually give any sort of guarantee anyway so it's more of a model /ideal thing
1721987;1507324518;asciilifeform;sadly, rsa per se dun come with a guarantee.
1721988;1507324637;diana_coman;asciilifeform, myeah, no guarantee, precisely
1721989;1507324637;asciilifeform;all i got is a guarantee that the arithmetic happens as specified, every time, using a number of cycles known in advance.
1721990;1507324682;diana_coman;I get that, yes; it's anyway more than there currently is available otherwise; and not insignificantly more at that
1721991;1507326750;mircea_popescu;in other olds,  http://www.b3rn3d.com/blog/2016/08/17/death-to-pgp/
1721992;1507326783;asciilifeform;lol!
1721993;1507326860;asciilifeform;'trying to remain anonymous while using OpenPGP'
1721994;1507326863;mircea_popescu;did we do ? i'd have expected we had but log doth not return
1721995;1507326870;asciilifeform;evidently not
1721996;1507326891;asciilifeform;didjaknow, mircea_popescu , apparently ~that's~ what pgp was for... 'remain anonymous'
1721997;1507326894;asciilifeform;i had nfi!
1721998;1507326898;mircea_popescu;it's conceivable.
1721999;1507326920;asciilifeform;and entirely not for, say, signing your name to something !111!
1722000;1507326928;mircea_popescu;asym key is specifically for this usecase. you--well known publisher ; me -- secret identity with the goods. i can safely send them to you.
1722001;1507326960;asciilifeform;what's that to do with 'anonymouses' tho
1722002;1507326974;asciilifeform;yer trying to not be spoofed, rather than hide under a rock.
1722003;1507326977;mircea_popescu;well, in this scenario i am anon
1722004;1507326999;asciilifeform;and in other scenarios you are in orbit. but that dun mean that pgp is 'for orbit'
1722005;1507327007;mircea_popescu;i may opt to include a pubkey. but i don't have to.
1722006;1507327044;mircea_popescu;yet whole point of "asym key encryption" is -- encrypted comms without prior key exchange. this specifically says "between anon parties"
1722007;1507327048;asciilifeform;ability to eat pgpgrams from randos without drowning will be remembered one day the way we remember today how email once worked.
1722008;1507327060;mircea_popescu;this is likely. but not yet the case.
1722009;1507327064;asciilifeform;troo.
1722010;1507327075;mircea_popescu;i have not yet got spam pgpgram. 0.
1722011;1507327085;asciilifeform;interestingly enough, me neither.
1722012;1507327093;mircea_popescu;and especially as reinforced via wot/trilema voiuce model, i expect this may endure.
1722013;1507327095;shinohai;http://archive.is/TZKW1  <<< in notbtc lulz
1722014;1507327122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fact, whole reason i'm even willing to do w/o email is that there exists this alternative thaty's so much better.
1722015;1507327134;asciilifeform;whilesupplieslast.
1722016;1507327144;mircea_popescu;same could be said of you know, meat.
1722017;1507327172;asciilifeform;filtering comms by 'morse is hard' lasts, turns out, not anywhere as long as meat.
1722018;1507327189;mircea_popescu;"In case you did, i hope this will be a lesson to you. Stop trading obscure tokens/coins!" << if THIS is "the lesson", then one wonders wtf is supposed to be the "ethereum value proposition" ?
1722019;1507327215;mircea_popescu;given up on the whole dao nonsense, have they ? why are they still here, why the gun still unfired in their lap, why the brahms not playing ?
1722020;1507327227;asciilifeform;wagner
1722021;1507327242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform spam filtered by hard is how filtering always works and worked.
1722022;1507327267;asciilifeform;seems imho like 'half-written, bug-ridden imitation of' filterbywot.
1722023;1507327292;mircea_popescu;anyways.
1722024;1507327644;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721985 << nah, on the current prototype, variable-reuse otps.
1722025;1507327644;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 21:14 asciilifeform: diana_coman: how do you picture this looking in practice ? variable-length keys ?
1722026;1507327672;asciilifeform;otp reused once is broken.
1722027;1507327682;asciilifeform;trivially.
1722028;1507327915;*;asciilifeform bbl: meat
1722029;1507327919;mircea_popescu;hang on, ima actually publish the discussion fragment.
1722030;1507327925;mircea_popescu;was planning to anyway.
1722031;1507329047;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: this is the most brutal possible method that can still be called barrett : didn't even make use yet of the fact that we only want the upper halves of the mul results << spent the afternoon looking through your changes posted today vs. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719721
1722032;1507329047;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 19:30 asciilifeform: trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads ; http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb
1722033;1507329536;mod6;glad to hear the progress.  (im still reviewing barrett in Handbook of Applied Cryptpgraphy 14.3.3 & 14.3.4)
1722034;1507330693;shinohai;http://exnet.narod.ru/USA/medals/Army-Comm-Award-Civ-Serv.jpg   <<< For service above and beyond the call of newfaggotry, we award you this triforce.
1722035;1507331558;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/eulora-boardroom-leaks/ << there.
1722036;1507331615;mircea_popescu;basically the scheme is, you rsa a random bitfield, then you expand that into as much otp as you want by doing recursively Fi = hash(bitfield + Fi-1). there's a limit on i, obviously, which can be set to 1.
1722037;1507331618;mircea_popescu;that'd be the knob.
1722038;1507331698;mircea_popescu;the categorical alternative (literally what gpg does now) fell on the grounds of "at least we don't need aes" ; the obvious "cut R into bits and use each" seems to my eye weaker, tho who even knows.
1722039;1507332272;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/eulora-boardroom-leaks/ << Trilema - Eulora boardroom leaks
1722040;1507333884;mircea_popescu;and in other whorship, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cbfe8d81e3ee962c00345cc3bbb061b2/tumblr_nmi80vzvcJ1tioe3xo1_1280.jpg
1722041;1507334202;mod6;lol
1722042;1507335832;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that makes moar sense, per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716163
1722043;1507335832;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 19:28 asciilifeform: incidentally iirc we did the proof of 'if there is a good hash, there is a good blockcipher, and vice-versa'
1722044;1507335839;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1722045;1507335855;asciilifeform;can also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709595 .
1722046;1507335855;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 23:36 asciilifeform: luby has one.
1722047;1507335858;mircea_popescu;anyway, if anyone can cough up a manner to evaluate, any particular scheme, or even a comparison of a pair, i'm of course all ears.
1722048;1507335877;asciilifeform;( that last one doesn't stand on a hash )
1722049;1507335904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as it happens i actually want to rescue the (classic) keccak implementation from the obvious nist-driven oblivion.
1722050;1507335921;mircea_popescu;seems a good indication of merit, that they've put the effort into persuading the original poltroons into hiding it.
1722051;1507335926;asciilifeform;iirc somebody here sewed one together
1722052;1507335931;asciilifeform;PeterL ?
1722053;1507335944;mircea_popescu;i recall his working on it ?
1722054;1507335950;asciilifeform;he posted one
1722055;1507335957;asciilifeform;not tested tho
1722056;1507335965;mircea_popescu;!#s from:peterl keccak
1722057;1507335965;a111;0 results for "from:peterl keccak", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Apeterl%20keccak
1722058;1507335972;asciilifeform;hm
1722059;1507335987;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715214
1722060;1507335987;a111;Logged on 2017-09-16 02:57 PeterL: by the way, I stuffed the keccak ada stuff (and, speaking of OAEP, here is one of those too) into https://github.com/PeterMLambert/keccak since I don't have my own server up yet
1722061;1507336017;mircea_popescu;aha!
1722062;1507336019;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ^
1722063;1507336028;asciilifeform;ftr i have nfi if that thing worx
1722064;1507336030;asciilifeform;yet
1722065;1507336365;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1722033 << lemme know mod6 if there's any part that dun immediately make sense. FZ_Make_Barrettoid looks complicated but really is identical to the optimized knuth divider, with the difference that the dividend consists of all 1s and known ahead of time, so we don't shift it
1722066;1507336365;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 22:38 mod6: glad to hear the progress.  (im still reviewing barrett in Handbook of Applied Cryptpgraphy 14.3.3 & 14.3.4)
1722067;1507336400;asciilifeform;( dividend there exists solely as the 1 in   FZ_ShiftLeft_O(1, Rs, Rs, 1, O); )
1722068;1507336506;asciilifeform;it was made from the modulus finder from the prev ffa post ( http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/KAZki/?raw=true )
1722069;1507336550;asciilifeform;( where qw held each word of dividend, in turn, but now we put quotient bits there )
1722070;1507336738;asciilifeform;mod6: you will notice that the barrett in 'crc handbook' is more complicated : it shrinks the x and then compensates later. this relies on normalization , and constanttimeized incarnation of it would have to work as apeloyee described ( i'ma try it much later, once i see what can be had re speed strictly from having asymmetric karatsuba instead of the current mega-waste )
1722071;1507336807;mircea_popescu;momentarily back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721672 discussion, i must say i'm reasonably impressed that ~none of the "public discourse" in jew/faux media includes the "nobody can understand WHY"/"such INCOMPREHENSIBLE" mandatory verbiage of five years ago.
1722072;1507336807;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 14:30 mircea_popescu: dood had 37% the kill efficiency and 167% the wound efficiency of the wtc folks.
1722073;1507336815;mircea_popescu;apparently they do understand why, now.
1722074;1507336868;mircea_popescu;and so to the "curious" pretending they "have no proof" as to why and wherefore trilema is more widely read than the entire pantsuit media edifice, washpo, nytimes to the last campus libel piece TOGETHER : consider that there exists exactly one venue in the world that explains, and has been explaining that why during this interval.
1722075;1507336880;mircea_popescu;monopoly + societal change = dominance, yes ?
1722076;1507336891;mircea_popescu;or don't i understand "how the world works"
1722077;1507336970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they've switched back to the 2010 tack of 'it's because he too easily found a spring to attach to his stock' etc
1722078;1507337007;asciilifeform;as if d00d with 100k in the bank ( per the most recent link, he wired it to some pinoy chick ) couldn't get a proper kalash wherever
1722079;1507337050;mircea_popescu;or else the valium
1722080;1507337057;mircea_popescu;or else the please god, something, anything.
1722081;1507337115;asciilifeform;and supposedly usg has already kidnapped the chix
1722082;1507337121;asciilifeform;for kangaroo court
1722083;1507337131;asciilifeform;( and presumably the 100k ? )
1722084;1507337133;mircea_popescu;lol what, the pinoy did it ?
1722085;1507337145;asciilifeform;sumthing will be found, for it to have done
1722086;1507337168;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705799 )
1722087;1507337168;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 22:19 asciilifeform: phf: 'Собрал царь зверей всех животных в лесу на поляне и говорит:   - Cегодня мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот маленький. Правильно ежик?   - Даааааа-Даааааа! - сказал ежик.    - А завтра мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот большой. Правильно бегемот?    -
1722088;1507337190;mircea_popescu;and in continuing lulz, "Bitcoin price is up but top Wall Streeters aren't on board"
1722089;1507337216;mircea_popescu;what they were trying to say was that they... lost... again. the little bch for btc tit for tat left btc in tatters and their dwindling supply of btc ever thinner.
1722090;1507337230;asciilifeform;lolwat
1722091;1507337233;asciilifeform;btc in tatters?
1722092;1507337239;mircea_popescu;bch*
1722093;1507337281;mod6;asciilifeform: ahh.  thanks for saving me the time -- i was doing some mental gymnastics on that.
1722094;1507337305;mircea_popescu;"Coinbase and the Power of Bitcoin Exchanges - Many fondly remember their first Bitcoin transaction. It likely took place on Coinbase, one of the first exchanges to serve the Western marketplace" in continuing lulz.
1722095;1507337311;mod6;i.e. trying to equate your implementation to crc barrett.
1722096;1507337317;mircea_popescu;dontchakno, we maybe forgot all about it, could think coinbase relevant somehow.
1722097;1507337332;mod6;but i see what you mean.  sorry for the interleaving Mr. P.
1722098;1507337350;asciilifeform;'bitcoin transaction... on coinbase' << lol!
1722099;1507337355;asciilifeform;why not 'on mtgox' ?
1722100;1507337369;mircea_popescu;heh.
1722101;1507337374;mircea_popescu;but there's so much more!
1722102;1507337380;mircea_popescu;"Will bitcoin ever be a safe investment or always a gamble? - The boss of JP Morgan was unequivocal about bitcoin at a recent conference in New York: the digital currency was only fit for drug dealers"
1722103;1507337394;mircea_popescu;i wish to fucking know, at what point has buying bitcoin been a bad strategy ?
1722104;1507337404;asciilifeform;btw iirc coinbase is on the list of derps who explicitly promised to pass off 2xolade ( next 'cash' ) as 'btc'
1722105;1507337410;asciilifeform;and steal balances
1722106;1507337414;mircea_popescu;buying jpm is a bad strategy about half the time, and bitcoin overperforms dimon by about 1000% EACH SINGLE YEAR
1722107;1507337421;mircea_popescu;but that dun matter because fatlogic.
1722108;1507337430;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform of course.
1722109;1507337464;mod6;ya fuck that guy.
1722110;1507337464;asciilifeform;( 2xolade like other forkolade separates from btc, but if not done correctly your btc ends up in /dev/null )
1722111;1507337499;mod6;im pretty sure, literally no one who matters cares.
1722112;1507337511;mircea_popescu;this excursion among the hallucinators has been pretty entertaining.
1722113;1507337548;asciilifeform;looks to me like same snoar as in 2013
1722114;1507337553;asciilifeform;and in between.
1722115;1507337566;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the latest "rape on campus" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/48c5eb9b8e0f832f386e1d3c97de3f66/tumblr_ncubnm5p4T1tvhjvso1_400.gif
1722116;1507337570;asciilifeform;complete with dimon, who shat exactly same nonsense each time
1722117;1507337593;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and while the bonuses can still be financed out of idiot retirees nesteggs, will continue to idem shit.
1722118;1507337618;mircea_popescu;problem is -- nobody in current generation has what to retire on. so im guessing dimon will get a job to pay for their 401ks or w/e they need.
1722119;1507337636;asciilifeform;dunno that they need any such thing as 'savings to plunder' -- just printolade
1722120;1507337652;mircea_popescu;lol, the otaku boys club ?
1722121;1507337658;mircea_popescu;what'll it do, exactly.
1722122;1507337659;asciilifeform;dimon & co
1722123;1507337672;mircea_popescu;yes, but what will their printed pokemon cards actually do ?
1722124;1507337681;mircea_popescu;their mommies are too old to leave food in front of door.
1722125;1507337694;mod6;what do they call it these days?  "basic universal income" ?
1722126;1507337701;mircea_popescu;or what is the idea, ima give dimon food because [???] ?
1722127;1507337709;asciilifeform;same thing they did in 1790 ?
1722128;1507337714;mircea_popescu;ahahaha rly.
1722129;1507337724;mircea_popescu;what is that, smile from within a basket, torso aside ?
1722130;1507337735;asciilifeform;for so long as the soldiers are willing to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654
1722131;1507337735;a111;Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
1722132;1507337748;mircea_popescu;problem is those idiots are equally willing to die for all causes.
1722133;1507337752;mircea_popescu;why specifically dimon ?
1722134;1507337761;mircea_popescu;he can shoot 60 losers for me just as well as he can push paper for dimon.
1722135;1507337765;mircea_popescu;iirc, he DID.
1722136;1507337773;mircea_popescu;or wait, was lockheed not bankheed
1722137;1507337871;asciilifeform;problem is that 60 is fewer than die of drink in baltimoristan in a week
1722138;1507337898;mircea_popescu;yes, but you know how start-ups are valued.
1722139;1507337902;mircea_popescu;60 is MOST EVER.
1722140;1507337909;asciilifeform;iirc happyland was moar
1722141;1507337924;mircea_popescu;afaik none were. nfi, tbh, ianaa.
1722142;1507337993;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/aul77 << d00d recently died, apparently
1722143;1507338023;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually, this is the largest IN THE NEW WORLD. 2nd largest, 43 notches, francisco paula gonzalez in 64.
1722144;1507338036;mircea_popescu;#4 is some dude in colombia.
1722145;1507338062;asciilifeform;happyland was in nyc
1722146;1507338098;mircea_popescu;arte you going by "it was arson therefgore counts" ?
1722147;1507338126;asciilifeform;notably, 'The patrons of the two-story club were either overcome by smoke or trampled to death as everyone rushed for the club’s lone exit, officials said.'
1722148;1507338131;asciilifeform;so debatable.
1722149;1507338141;mircea_popescu;also mostly hondurans.
1722150;1507338141;asciilifeform;( remains to be seen how many of vegas stiffs, show hoofmarks )
1722151;1507338158;asciilifeform;betcha as many trampled as perforated.
1722152;1507338217;mircea_popescu;well, yes, but then again how many of the 500 will join the choir invisible ?
1722153;1507338221;asciilifeform;these folx trample one another regularly, there is even a commercial 'holiday' ( 'black friday' ) when they have india-like mass tramplings fighting over misc. retail crud
1722154;1507338232;mircea_popescu;only been a day, these days medicare can keep even tom petty alive a day.
1722155;1507338235;mircea_popescu;or a block of cinderwood.
1722156;1507338305;asciilifeform;as for 'does arson count', if d00d had just a megaphone and persuaded 500 derps to drink bleach, imho also counts.
1722157;1507338315;mircea_popescu;then jamestown...
1722158;1507338343;asciilifeform;megaphone, pistol, sarin-spraying drone, death rays, neutron bomb, anything.
1722159;1507338369;mircea_popescu;that was ~1k iirc.
1722160;1507338386;asciilifeform;approx
1722161;1507338407;asciilifeform;though some of them iirc turned up with holes in'em
1722162;1507338412;asciilifeform;so not 'only megaphone'
1722163;1507338462;mod6;ah, jonestown
1722164;1507338480;mod6;909
1722165;1507338520;mircea_popescu;right, crazy cool-aid guy
1722166;1507338542;asciilifeform;iirc there is record that they applied to emigrate to su
1722167;1507338558;mircea_popescu;aha!
1722168;1507338559;asciilifeform;and soon thereafter 'koolaid'
1722169;1507338570;asciilifeform;so asciilifeform is not sold on the Official Truth re item.
1722170;1507338613;mircea_popescu;it'd be easier to ennumerate the converse list
1722171;1507338621;mircea_popescu;in fact, are you sold on any official truth ?
1722172;1507338644;asciilifeform;'if it doesn't offend sense it dun get called OfficialTruth' or how it went.
1722173;1507338653;mircea_popescu;lol i c
1722174;1507338672;mod6;haha
1722175;1507338798;mod6;i heard dimon's daughter is into btc, we should see if she wants to do tits4btc
1722176;1507338821;asciilifeform;'into btc' just as likely to mean 'into coinbase' lol
1722177;1507338831;mod6;hey, whatevs
1722178;1507338834;mircea_popescu;which one ? iirc he had a whole herd.
1722179;1507338843;mircea_popescu;as is typical for airplane pilots and so oon
1722180;1507338851;asciilifeform;can't wait for next forkbase, will be hilarious to watch the 'into btc' folx get anally reeducated
1722181;1507338899;*;asciilifeform regularly runs into this species, 'i'm into btc!!' '...node?' 'wat's a node'
1722182;1507338926;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, maybe get all three.  6 tits.  boom.
1722183;1507338943;mircea_popescu;heh
1722184;1507338970;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, re-educated is right.
1722185;1507338982;mod6;"what happened to mah coinz?"
1722186;1507338995;mircea_popescu;"they were your coins like your wife."
1722187;1507339013;mod6;hehehe
1722188;1507339183;mircea_popescu;so i bought this five bitcent pair of "finest brazillian shoes".
1722189;1507339186;mircea_popescu;they're not even terrible.
1722190;1507339209;mod6;pretty nice to walk in 'eh?
1722191;1507339283;mircea_popescu;yeah nb
1722192;1507339390;mod6;wearing actually reasonable shoes has changed my life.
1722193;1507339426;mircea_popescu;ha!
1722194;1507339454;mod6;can wear suits everyday, and walk the mile or two that I need to every day and still be ~fine~.
1722195;1507339469;mod6;wearing concrete blocks on my feet is for the birds.
1722196;1507339477;mircea_popescu;o that part definitely.
1722197;1507339516;mircea_popescu;http://www.anatomicgel.com.br/br/marca.html/ <<< i suppose it could be theoretically called handmade, pushing a point.
1722198;1507339520;mircea_popescu;"artisanal", whatever.
1722199;1507339611;mod6;ah, i bet the gel is nice.
1722200;1507339661;mod6;the pairs i have are this cork that molds to my feet.  which feel pretty good day to day.  but i walk like 10% of what you do.
1722201;1507339751;*;asciilifeform walks 2-3h/d typically 
1722202;1507339760;mod6;wow. that's good.
1722203;1507339774;asciilifeform;i dun have any nice shoes tho. strictly chinesium.
1722204;1507339779;mod6;dude.
1722205;1507339797;mod6;get yourself a pair of shoes.  it'll change your whole outlook on shit
1722206;1507339803;mircea_popescu;nice shoes are you know, 500-1k and up.
1722207;1507339807;mircea_popescu;i'd call these medium.
1722208;1507339809;asciilifeform;romans walked across continent with planks tied to feet neh.
1722209;1507339817;mircea_popescu;they're nice though, a brazillian take on the longwing brogue
1722210;1507339823;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform neh.
1722211;1507339841;mod6;i spend $400 on mine.  so yah, not cheap... but shit, what a difference.
1722212;1507339857;mod6;certainly a lot better than the $100 shitters.
1722213;1507339881;mircea_popescu;mod6 most shoes here (as in romania, as in egypt, as in etc) are ~30.
1722214;1507339901;mod6;ah, that's a deal!
1722215;1507339907;mircea_popescu;hehehe
1722216;1507339910;asciilifeform;recently asciilifeform bought a whole case of identical chinesium shits, because they're ~disposable
1722217;1507339929;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider : i've yet to throw out a pair of shoes because ~broken~.
1722218;1507339938;*;asciilifeform believes
1722219;1507339939;mircea_popescu;generally, gift extra used pairs to the help when moving out.
1722220;1507339963;mod6;i've worn out one pair, they took 'em back for $100 and re-soled them.
1722221;1507339968;mod6;*shrug*
1722222;1507339981;mod6;like new.
1722223;1507339992;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-07#1362079 << see also
1722224;1507339992;a111;Logged on 2016-01-07 01:58 asciilifeform: relative of mine once took - very worn - pair of american shit-shoes to an old ru emigre shoemaker, asked 'what he could do.' the wizened master replied: 'i can throw these out for you'
1722225;1507340007;mod6;lol
1722226;1507340064;mircea_popescu;mod6 anyway, i'm not a young man anymore. i maybe do 10km a week these days, if that.
1722227;1507340065;mod6;well, if you walk for 2/3h per day, maybe don't think of them as "shoes".  perhaps, "proper foot equipment" or something.
1722228;1507340114;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, that's about where i'm at I suppose.  i have it in my mind that you do the ba walk nearly daily...
1722229;1507340137;mircea_popescu;used to. i suppose this place being ~a village doesn't help.
1722230;1507340164;mod6;ah, and walking up mountain sides dodging bikers in bazerker mode doesn't help
1722231;1507340175;mircea_popescu;today for eg, felt like walk, but didn't feel like climbing 20% inclines, so had girl take me to park. 20km driven to walk 3 or so. imagine the decay.
1722232;1507340212;mod6;especially if it rains a lot too.
1722233;1507340230;mircea_popescu;few days ago, went on uphill hike, walked until literally passed out.
1722234;1507340243;mircea_popescu;went too fast.
1722235;1507340278;mircea_popescu;yet it was you know... 6km maybe ? piddly squat, until you consider it climbed maybe 6-700m over that distance.
1722236;1507340351;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in riding rides, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4269431a5f3c1067da91f1d75f7ce9eb/tumblr_n0livoa36M1ra8e2io1_400.gif
1722237;1507340541;mod6;yeah, hard to find the right pace sometimes.
1722238;1507340595;mod6;haha, speaking of riding pace.
1722239;1507340601;mircea_popescu;lol
1722240;1507340914;mod6;alf's suits must look pretty good though.  i mean, he's out there walkin' through georgetown and rando frauleins are flashin their twat at him.
1722241;1507341126;mod6;winning.
1722242;1507341316;asciilifeform;lolwat
1722243;1507341361;asciilifeform;i dun live anywhere near georgetown; and walk in semideserted sticks, in rags.
1722244;1507341412;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658236 !11
1722245;1507341412;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 16:44 asciilifeform: 'not ivan, but pyotr, and not won, but lost, and not the lottery, but at cards'
1722246;1507341418;mod6;didn't some lady throw some snizz your way one day while walkin by?
1722247;1507341447;mod6;her haggard old bag of a mom didn't approve?  or did i dream this up?
1722248;1507341454;asciilifeform;some brazilian chix yes
1722249;1507341486;mod6;see!  adda boy.
1722250;1507341501;asciilifeform;i left it as unhandled exception, mircea_popescu laughed, we had thread
1722251;1507341546;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722233 << what's yer altitude, mircea_popescu ? because i can't picture why else
1722252;1507341546;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 01:37 mircea_popescu: few days ago, went on uphill hike, walked until literally passed out.
1722253;1507341634;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722231 << this is how asciilifeform's parents, in their 70s, walk.
1722254;1507341634;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 01:36 mircea_popescu: today for eg, felt like walk, but didn't feel like climbing 20% inclines, so had girl take me to park. 20km driven to walk 3 or so. imagine the decay.
1722255;1507341657;asciilifeform;i'ma suppose mircea_popescu's scenery is fatally boring, must be
1722256;1507341753;asciilifeform;maybe time to explore jungle, tame ocelots ?
1722257;1507342384;mod6;while i was at it, looked at crc hanbook's lehmer gcd.
1722258;1507342479;*;mod6 also looking forward to apeloyee's pseudocode
1722259;1507342614;asciilifeform;mod6: i'm currently not convinced that lehmer's gcd is ffaizable.
1722260;1507342630;mod6;yeah, i read the thread a few times.
1722261;1507342650;asciilifeform;considering that it only wins vs euclid because 'fast comparison' , while ALL ffa comparisons are always and forever mercilessly O(N).
1722262;1507342684;asciilifeform;we're prolly stuck with a muxed euclid
1722263;1507342716;asciilifeform;( fixed count of shots, derived from bitness, gotta have he proof re how many suffices )
1722264;1507342724;asciilifeform;*the proof
1722265;1507343824;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721500 << crc handbook (2.104 & 2.105) says O((lg n)^2) bit ops.
1722266;1507343824;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 19:43 asciilifeform: euclidean'd be o(n^3) yes
1722267;1507343858;mod6;fwiw
1722268;1507344178;mod6;(for those who don't have the text handy)
1722269;1507344220;mod6;while b /= 0: r <-- a mod b, a <-- b, b <-- r. return (a).
1722270;1507344269;mod6;2.103: FACT If a and b are positive integers with a > b, then gcd(a, b) = gcd(b, a mod b)
1722271;1507344406;mod6;2.107 shows extended euclid that yields greatest common divisor d of two integers a and b, but also integers x and y satisfying ax + by = d
1722272;1507344441;mod6;also O((lg n)^2)
1722273;1507345161;asciilifeform;pretty sure that's avgcase, with heathen (variable-time) algo
1722274;1507346975;*;asciilifeform was about to upload crc book'o'crypto and then remembered that dulap is gone...
1722275;1507347014;asciilifeform;phantom limb, i tellya.
1722276;1507347065;mod6;*nod*
1722277;1507360437;mircea_popescu;so im trying out being 70s, what. do you want me to go in unaware, end up surprised by it ?
1722278;1507362354;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722059 <- yes, I got that as part of my previous log combing on this
1722279;1507362354;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 00:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715214
1722280;1507385655;shinohai;http://archive.is/4Jc5B   <<< Imagine the Furher parents must have felt .....
1722281;1507387068;asciilifeform;'“the year is 1935 and you have been tasked with creating a mascot to represent the Nazi party at its political rallies.” “Think about all of the information you have learned about Hitler and the Nazi party,” the assignment directed. “You will create a COLORFUL illustration of the mascot. Give the mascot a NAME. You will also write an explanation as to why the mascot was chosen to represent the Nazi party.”'
1722282;1507387069;asciilifeform;lol!
1722283;1507387117;asciilifeform;'...I think a formal apology should be handed out, and the teacher involved should be reprimanded,” he added. '
1722284;1507387435;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1722285;1507387441;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4350.03, vol: 5177.09336958 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4359.5, vol: 16987.47514348 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4359.5, vol: 2319.21013539 | Volume-weighted last average: 4357.49756913
1722286;1507388029;mircea_popescu;anyone came up with inflatable clitler ?
1722287;1507388150;BingoBoingo;You mean http://www.spencersonline.com/product/inflatable-hillary-bop-bag-12-inch/128370.uts?Extid=sf_fqntra
1722288;1507388157;BingoBoingo;brb
1722289;1507389450;asciilifeform;in other puzzlers, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6l4uH/?raw=true << mod6 et al
1722290;1507389497;asciilifeform;^ this 'upper half only' karatsuba works, but the answer is always off by 0 to 3, because the carries from the bottom halves are ( recursively ) lost. somehow gotta be finessed.
1722291;1507389550;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/TgRkm/?raw=true << ordinary karatsuba, for convenient comparison.
1722292;1507389572;asciilifeform;( Karatsuba_Term is same for both )
1722293;1507389924;asciilifeform;now! this procrusted-karatsuba is only used for the barrettron, so theoretically could compensate for that 3 with 3 additional subtractor-muxes. and still win ~4x speedup vs last night's . but this is mega-ugly.
1722294;1507390173;asciilifeform;( if it isn't obvious from where the error comes : observe the 3 Karatsuba_Term additions. in ordinary K., they walk over the upper half of XYLo ( lower half of result.) but in TopOnly K. we lose XYLo, so that carryolade is lost. )
1722295;1507390356;asciilifeform;... could even live with this, if i had a hard proof that it's never moar than 3.
1722296;1507390409;asciilifeform;heya hanbot
1722297;1507390417;asciilifeform;hanbot: wanna try yer hand at ^ puzzler ?
1722298;1507391259;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/ << Trilema - Friday night, or Las Moiras revisited.
1722299;1507391527;mod6;<+asciilifeform> in other puzzlers, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6l4uH/?raw=true << mod6 et al << /me looks
1722300;1507391619;mod6;btw, do you have a simple test harness setup for this just to assert some known output values?
1722301;1507391644;asciilifeform;mod6: i've been using (unreleased) 'p' as the tester.
1722302;1507391651;mod6;ah. gotcha.
1722303;1507391687;mod6;i think ima make a quick one for myself just so i can see what youre sayin on stuff like that.
1722304;1507391712;asciilifeform;mod6: you should have one already, the factorial thing
1722305;1507391731;asciilifeform;( it will need a small adjustment in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719728 but otherwise oughta work )
1722306;1507391731;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 19:31 asciilifeform: note also that the calling style from early versions will not work, there is no longer a .Z , FZ is not a struct any moar, it is just a word array
1722307;1507391755;mod6;aha, one similar to that.  although, indeed, that works too.
1722308;1507391791;mod6;i'd like to also maybe make some unit tests around your procedures/functions.
1722309;1507391805;asciilifeform;i've been holding off on releasing the p-interpreter because there are several quite broad changed in the way that it worx, in the pipeline, and i'd rather folx not get used to the old form.
1722310;1507391810;asciilifeform;*changes
1722311;1507391814;mod6;im basically going to have to do this anyway -- this helps "fitting in mod6
1722312;1507391817;mod6;'s head"
1722313;1507391828;asciilifeform;mod6: unit tests will work as pcode known-good in/out pairs
1722314;1507391836;asciilifeform;currently i generate them with a pyturd
1722315;1507391870;mod6;ah, ok.  and yah, no need to let p out of the garage until ffa is pretty much "there".
1722316;1507391896;asciilifeform;it is tempting, because currently i suspect that ~nobody is actually running my pastes
1722317;1507391950;mod6;mainly, I read through them.  because, there's still a lot for me to grok here.  and it's easy to fool oneself into groking if you treat it like a blackbox instead of actually reading the code.
1722318;1507391988;mod6;(other than the ffa-fact, which i use sometimes to try new, whole, ffa parts out)
1722319;1507392066;asciilifeform;mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0k78K/?raw=true  << example from asciilifeform's torture room, of what his test looks like
1722320;1507392072;*;mod6 looks
1722321;1507392073;asciilifeform;^ the 'two second' item, modexp
1722322;1507392109;mod6;niiice.
1722323;1507392137;mod6;yeah, something simple like this is a good starting spot.
1722324;1507392169;asciilifeform;mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/H4UGn/?raw=true << for comparison, py script computing same arithm problem
1722325;1507392191;asciilifeform;you can run it, get same answer.
1722326;1507392218;asciilifeform;( interestingly, it takes 3.8 sec on my box )
1722327;1507392239;asciilifeform;this is even though python uses a c bignumatron internally.
1722328;1507392250;*;mod6 looks
1722329;1507392295;asciilifeform;phun phakt, this calculation is taken from the gpg autopsies last summer, when asciilifeform was chasing imaginary rng boojum after somebody found a real one
1722330;1507392298;mod6;sweet.  is pretty interesting tho.
1722331;1507392311;mod6;ahh, right. i recal.
1722332;1507392314;mod6;*recall
1722333;1507392344;asciilifeform;in ffa, unlike in the python example, elongating the 0x10001 to full ffawidth will not change the required time.
1722334;1507392353;asciilifeform;( nor will anything else. )
1722335;1507392401;mod6;:]
1722336;1507392416;mod6;super-cool
1722337;1507392442;asciilifeform;out of curiosity, how long the py item takes on mod6's box ?
1722338;1507392465;mircea_popescu;and in other curiosities, did http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/#comment-116639 ever come to anything as far anyone knows ?
1722339;1507392660;mod6;<+asciilifeform> out of curiosity, how long the py item takes on mod6's box ? << was just saving... lemme give it a try here.  want me to try it on the i5/8gb box ?
1722340;1507392801;mod6;running...
1722341;1507392842;mod6;ok here 'tis:
1722342;1507392864;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cDzHy/?raw=true
1722343;1507392878;mod6;grabbed 3 runs for good measure
1722344;1507393003;phf;(3s on python, 9s on cmucl, 1.2s on sbcl)
1722345;1507393074;shinohai;Python - 0m3.720s for me
1722346;1507393126;mod6;(fwiw, that machine I just ran it on has Python 2.7.9)
1722347;1507393149;mod6;im gonna try it on the build-donkey box, core2duo/4gb
1722348;1507393150;shinohai;(same)
1722349;1507393183;asciilifeform;phf: now try same width exponent !
1722350;1507393185;mod6;and same version of py there too. ok just a sec.
1722351;1507393192;asciilifeform;betcha it won't be 1.2s nomoar
1722352;1507393197;asciilifeform;on heathentron
1722353;1507393207;*;asciilifeform bbl : meat.
1722354;1507393317;mod6;ok here it is:
1722355;1507393337;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/D46Hw/?raw=true
1722356;1507393375;mircea_popescu;sbcl is actually the champ ?!
1722357;1507393402;shinohai;Anyone have the lisp version handy?
1722358;1507393612;phf;asciilifeform: wait, that seems like a cheap sleight of hand. obviously increasing number of iterations in an iterative algorithm that you gave is going to increase run time
1722359;1507393697;phf;shinohai: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZqN4y/?raw=true
1722360;1507393711;shinohai;ty phf
1722361;1507393736;mircea_popescu;phf his point is that if you're going to compare fixtime with something else, better make sure you get a long case in there too.
1722362;1507394076;phf;mircea_popescu: well he either has a constant time algorithm in ffa, in which case if the goal is to compare speed specifically we should be comparing fixtime ffa and fixtime something else. otherwise he has a variable time algorithm running at worst case constant time, in which case the comparison is between base operation speed, which is still going to come out on top
1722363;1507394157;phf;i guess the point of this exercise is to show that iteration sizes further leak timing information
1722364;1507394273;mircea_popescu;you're not having any of this new fangled "constant time ~= fixedtime ie, variable time running at worst case" ?
1722365;1507394494;phf;well, it's conveniently two strategies: closed form solutions and constant iterators. if you don't have a closed form solution, you have to iterate, which you simply do at the upper bound constraint by a data type size. i don't see how theoretically it can be anything else
1722366;1507394512;mircea_popescu;myeah
1722367;1507394537;shinohai;I get 0m1.236s using sbcl (i5)
1722368;1507394818;phf;i suspect that ffa's take on expmod is to iterate over every bigit of the exponent, which will have to perform base operations no matter what the numeric size is, but that's a guess.
1722369;1507394844;mircea_popescu;why guess, tis published.
1722370;1507394901;phf;i'm trying to figure it out from first principles :) (i haven't had time to look at the recent, i.e. past month, versions yet)
1722371;1507394912;mircea_popescu;a
1722372;1507394946;mircea_popescu;my guess is that it's as close to closed form solutions as possible, hence all the barrett fucking etc, but then again i'm a weak programmer and a very dubious mathematician.
1722373;1507402188;shinohai;http://archive.is/iDKq8   <<< Damned Gypsies!
1722374;1507404395;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722372 << in fact we have closed form.
1722375;1507404395;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 16:49 mircea_popescu: my guess is that it's as close to closed form solutions as possible, hence all the barrett fucking etc, but then again i'm a weak programmer and a very dubious mathematician.
1722376;1507404513;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722358 << point was exactly to compare like items. i.e. heathendom does NOT get to 'win' by 'oh hey the hamming weight of exponent is only 2, not 4096, so we only do 4 modexps and not 8192'
1722377;1507404513;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 16:26 phf: asciilifeform: wait, that seems like a cheap sleight of hand. obviously increasing number of iterations in an iterative algorithm that you gave is going to increase run time
1722378;1507404601;asciilifeform;the interesting imho discovery is that heathen bignumtrons don't win much (or even any!) speed by normalizing the ints being added/subtracted
1722379;1507404653;asciilifeform;i also suspect that they are in fact slower for maxhammingweight case of exponentiation and modulus, vs ffa.
1722380;1507404692;asciilifeform;slow and broadcasting seekritz for miles around, whatsnottilike!!111
1722381;1507404758;asciilifeform;'старый и злой -- чем не жених!' (tm)(r)
1722382;1507405156;asciilifeform;and incidentally my base cases are ultra-slow, in theory
1722383;1507405158;asciilifeform;0 asm
1722384;1507405171;asciilifeform;so a word mul is actually five MULs
1722385;1507405182;asciilifeform;because gotta get upper word somehow
1722386;1507407734;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722376 << modmuls, not exps
1722387;1507407734;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 19:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722358 << point was exactly to compare like items. i.e. heathendom does NOT get to 'win' by 'oh hey the hamming weight of exponent is only 2, not 4096, so we only do 4 modexps and not 8192'
1722388;1507409843;shinohai;!!up apeloyee
1722389;1507409844;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1722390;1507409856;apeloyee;thanks shinohai
1722391;1507409863;shinohai;np!
1722392;1507409896;apeloyee;!~later tell trinque I put the key at http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oRT3V/?raw=true
1722393;1507409896;jhvh1;apeloyee: The operation succeeded.
1722394;1507410569;apeloyee;asciilifeform: turns out a simple, ffa-suitable O(N^2) algorithm exists for GCD. This is adapted from GMP docs with one extra operation in the loop: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oupUJ/?raw=true . Note: the code as posted is likely wrong, but I'm sure the idea can be made to work.
1722395;1507410889;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722289 << and the point of doing karatsuba is? you do 2 recursive calls to Mul_Karatsuba_TopOnly and one to Mul_Karatsuba. should've simply calculated upper_part(XLo*YHi), upper_part(YLo*XHi) and XHi*YHi
1722396;1507410889;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 15:17 asciilifeform: in other puzzlers, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6l4uH/?raw=true << mod6 et al
1722397;1507411551;apeloyee;the multiply-by-approximate quotient in barrett's also needs only the lower part (plus 2 extra bits to the left), and lower part of product can be computed exactly (since rounding is not a problem)
1722398;1507411662;shinohai;!!up apeloyee
1722399;1507411662;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1722400;1507411680;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << i thought bernstein's "how to find smooth parts of integers" suggests a remainder tree, not gcd?
1722401;1507411680;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 19:38 asciilifeform: want to gcd(candidate, biggestprimorialthatfitsintheffabitness)
1722402;1507412934;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << alternatively, can *construct* numbers which don't have very small factors. pick a nonzero remainder mod 2, mod 3, ... mod largest-prime-fit-in-your-primorial and find what number of primorial is congruent to it using chinese remainder theorem
1722403;1507412934;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 19:38 asciilifeform: want to gcd(candidate, biggestprimorialthatfitsintheffabitness)
1722404;1507412985;apeloyee;*what number has such remainder from division by 2,3, ...
1722405;1507413205;apeloyee;the primorial has to be, say, 2^32 times less than the ffa maxint. then you can add randomnumber*primorial, and such a number is equally likely to any prime from some interval
1722406;1507414333;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: wouldja mind sharing that stage3 you build your eulora gentoos with?
1722407;1507414918;ben_vulpes;meanwhile, found a 20160728.tar.bz2
1722408;1507415967;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722379 << this is probably true but only because ffa mutates an array of bigits, where's any language level bignum system produces a whole new one for each operation
1722409;1507415967;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 19:30 asciilifeform: i also suspect that they are in fact slower for maxhammingweight case of exponentiation and modulus, vs ffa.
1722410;1507415993;phf;a whole new bignum that is
1722411;1507416295;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722374 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722376 << this seems contradictory, because the python thing posted is not closed form
1722412;1507416295;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 19:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722372 << in fact we have closed form.
1722413;1507416295;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 19:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722358 << point was exactly to compare like items. i.e. heathendom does NOT get to 'win' by 'oh hey the hamming weight of exponent is only 2, not 4096, so we only do 4 modexps and not 8192'
1722414;1507418423;BingoBoingo;Trilema re-read of  the day http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/
1722415;1507420209;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722405 << this may actually be a better check than any miller-rabin, and at any rate a good complement. gcd with primorial.
1722416;1507420209;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:53 apeloyee: the primorial has to be, say, 2^32 times less than the ffa maxint. then you can add randomnumber*primorial, and such a number is equally likely to any prime from some interval
1722417;1507421567;*;asciilifeform finally eaten log...
1722418;1507421633;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722394 << this looks very , very painful to prove correctness of. i'ma come back to it.
1722419;1507421633;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:09 apeloyee: asciilifeform: turns out a simple, ffa-suitable O(N^2) algorithm exists for GCD. This is adapted from GMP docs with one extra operation in the loop: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oupUJ/?raw=true . Note: the code as posted is likely wrong, but I'm sure the idea can be made to work.
1722420;1507421660;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722395 << compute and then what ? gotta multiply
1722421;1507421660;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:14 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722289 << and the point of doing karatsuba is? you do 2 recursive calls to Mul_Karatsuba_TopOnly and one to Mul_Karatsuba. should've simply calculated upper_part(XLo*YHi), upper_part(YLo*XHi) and XHi*YHi
1722422;1507421682;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722397 << i don't see anything that only wants ~lower~ half... whatcha talking about
1722423;1507421682;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:25 apeloyee: the multiply-by-approximate quotient in barrett's also needs only the lower part (plus 2 extra bits to the left), and lower part of product can be computed exactly (since rounding is not a problem)
1722424;1507421719;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722400 << bernstein's gcd method is neither here nor there, i certainly don't need anything of the kind in ffa, and quite likely it fundamentally does not ffaize
1722425;1507421719;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:28 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << i thought bernstein's "how to find smooth parts of integers" suggests a remainder tree, not gcd?
1722426;1507421768;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722402 << this is a fundamentally wrong way to generate cryptographic primes. we had a thread about it, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697562
1722427;1507421768;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:48 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << alternatively, can *construct* numbers which don't have very small factors. pick a nonzero remainder mod 2, mod 3, ... mod largest-prime-fit-in-your-primorial and find what number of primorial is congruent to it using chinese remainder theorem
1722428;1507421768;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 16:14 asciilifeform: ( tldr : superiority of the FUCKGOATS-enabled approach, of get-new-N-bits-from-rng-then-primalitytest-until-done, vs the kochian get-N-bits-then-increment-until-passes-millerrabin )
1722429;1507421799;asciilifeform;the ONLY correct method of generating cryptoprimes, is to 1) get N bits from FUCKGOATS 2) determine, in fixed spacetime every single time, whether that string of bits constitutes a usable prime.
1722430;1507421826;asciilifeform;all other methods leak info via timing , amperage, rf noise.
1722431;1507421891;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722405 << in no case can the 'cheap initial primality test' primorial exceed the size of current ffa width. thinkaboutit.
1722432;1507421891;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:53 apeloyee: the primorial has to be, say, 2^32 times less than the ffa maxint. then you can add randomnumber*primorial, and such a number is equally likely to any prime from some interval
1722433;1507421926;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722408 << you might consider reading the code ? it has all been posted.
1722434;1507421926;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 22:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722379 << this is probably true but only because ffa mutates an array of bigits, where's any language level bignum system produces a whole new one for each operation
1722435;1507422026;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722411 << 1 ) ffa is closed form. i.e. it CAN be written as a number of nand gates, with a 'funnel' at the top, to which you present a,b,c, e.g. 4096bit, numbers, and at the bottom in a little cup you get a^b mod c , and with NO UPWARDS FEEDBACK FLOW of information , i.e. answer comes after same interval of time always, and with strictly downwards signals.
1722436;1507422026;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 22:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722374 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722376 << this seems contradictory, because the python thing posted is not closed form
1722437;1507422052;asciilifeform;but 2 ) the python example is of course not closed form, and it is imho meaningless to even attempt to write the closed form item in a language like python or cl
1722438;1507422064;asciilifeform;( where there is no assurance of not consing and not branching )
1722439;1507422240;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722415 << if you have a comp the size of jupiter, you could ~maybe~ have such a thing as a 128bit primorial.
1722440;1507422240;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 23:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722405 << this may actually be a better check than any miller-rabin, and at any rate a good complement. gcd with primorial.
1722441;1507422243;asciilifeform;but certainly not 129.
1722442;1507422254;asciilifeform;so no, nobody is replacing miller-rabin with gcd(primorial, x).
1722443;1507422281;asciilifeform;( certainly not even for as large a number as 64bit... much less 4096 )
1722444;1507422328;asciilifeform;i proposed primorial strictly as an initial winnowing to replace the idiot trial divisions koch et al used.
1722445;1507422662;asciilifeform;phf, mod6 : funnily enough i went and tried the 'fair fight' max(4096b) a^b mod c in python, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GHATB/?raw=true , but it... bombs
1722446;1507422667;asciilifeform;with eggog:
1722447;1507422672;asciilifeform;OverflowError: Python int too large to convert to C long
1722448;1507422726;asciilifeform;for the obvious reason.
1722449;1507422750;asciilifeform;if somebody wants to make the physically possible version of this, to see what happens on max hammingweight...
1722450;1507423464;asciilifeform;oh ffs, here goes,
1722451;1507423470;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0A6fb/?raw=true << python 'fair fight' ver
1722452;1507423477;asciilifeform;( and skips unused hammings... )
1722453;1507423488;asciilifeform;0.018s on this box.
1722454;1507423556;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/saynG/?raw=true << all1s. 0.028s. tho i do suspect it shortcuts internally.
1722455;1507423668;asciilifeform;( mainly, i suspect, by recognizing masses of 0 in karatsuba and returning 0 when they get mul'd )
1722456;1507423738;asciilifeform;tldr : initial py snippet i had lying around was braindamaged.
1722457;1507423775;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722367 << i gotta ask if this figure included sbcl load time !?
1722458;1507423775;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 16:42 shinohai: I get 0m1.236s using sbcl (i5)
1722459;1507423783;asciilifeform;because if it did, it is meaningless
1722460;1507423840;asciilifeform;( see phf's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-03#1678660 , or even naggum's, re why )
1722461;1507423840;a111;Logged on 2017-07-03 14:46 phf: i think ascii already made that point, that if you're profiling lisp with the vm startup, then you should also profile c machine from boot time. at the very least the vm should be warmed up by loading all the dependencies into the core, doing save-lisp on it, and then making sure that your foo.lisp has an up to date fasl. inside lisp though to achieve the optimizations you run variants of your function inside (time ...) until you bring it within the ra
1722462;1507423988;asciilifeform;( orig., iirc, thread : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678490 )
1722463;1507423988;a111;Logged on 2017-07-02 12:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678460 << how about we roll the boot time ( to shell!! ) of your cmachinekernel, how about?
1722464;1507424303;*;asciilifeform bbl
1722465;1507425679;mats;l0l an amzn frontend engineer friend has to work all through christmas week, got his vacation request denied by upper mgmt
1722466;1507425797;mats;he put it in almost four months in advance and still can’t take a few days off
1722467;1507426125;BingoBoingo;Well, he works in the retail industry. What should he expect?
1722468;1507426495;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722429 << your chances of generating a random int that is also prime at that sort of length aren't so great.
1722469;1507426495;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 00:16 asciilifeform: the ONLY correct method of generating cryptoprimes, is to 1) get N bits from FUCKGOATS 2) determine, in fixed spacetime every single time, whether that string of bits constitutes a usable prime.
1722470;1507426534;mircea_popescu;having a primorial at the ready to exclude a large number of common (ie, low) factors in one single gcd likely speeds this up significantly.
1722471;1507426670;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722442 << not altogether, hold on to your horses.
1722472;1507426670;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 00:24 asciilifeform: so no, nobody is replacing miller-rabin with gcd(primorial, x).
1722473;1507426683;mircea_popescu;recall diana_coman 's trick of "multiply by 6" ? pretty much the inverse of the same idea.
1722474;1507427171;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722468 << quite acceptable, 1 in few thou
1722475;1507427171;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 01:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722429 << your chances of generating a random int that is also prime at that sort of length aren't so great.
1722476;1507427183;asciilifeform;( try it )
1722477;1507427211;mircea_popescu;yes, but then would you rather 999 r-m or 995 primorial gcd and 4 r-m ?
1722478;1507427231;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722470 << is why i suggested it to begin with, zaps items with factors up to 16bit or so quickly
1722479;1507427231;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 01:35 mircea_popescu: having a primorial at the ready to exclude a large number of common (ie, low) factors in one single gcd likely speeds this up significantly.
1722480;1507427244;mircea_popescu;so then what exactly is the argument about.
1722481;1507427300;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722415 looked like a 'who needs miller-rabin'
1722482;1507427300;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 23:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722405 << this may actually be a better check than any miller-rabin, and at any rate a good complement. gcd with primorial.
1722483;1507427318;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1722484;1507427359;asciilifeform;( where first suggested , ftr : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697598 )
1722485;1507427359;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 17:15 asciilifeform: idea is, for pre-millerrabin litmus, take gcd(candidate, Qw) where Qw is largest primorial that fits in the ffawidth
1722486;1507427365;asciilifeform;worxgreat
1722487;1507427493;mircea_popescu;incidentally, if looking for 4096 bit prime wouldn't the correct approach be to take 4094 bits of rng and glue 1 on either end ?
1722488;1507427510;mircea_popescu;as no 0 led or 0 terminated string will ever pass anyway
1722489;1507427568;asciilifeform;primes >2 are odd, noose at 11
1722490;1507427589;mircea_popescu;aha. get some free bits that way, fwiw.
1722491;1507427591;asciilifeform;( yes you set the low bit to 1 )
1722492;1507427909;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568&cpage=4#comment-18272 << in other strange.
1722493;1507428001;shinohai;Lol asciilifeform got a brony
1722494;1507428029;shinohai;Oh wait, name is "Tina"
1722495;1507428039;asciilifeform;i have deeply nfi
1722496;1507428131;asciilifeform;in other lullies, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/nsawagenhoneypot.jpg << found on washington metro train today
1722497;1507428265;shinohai;TOP KEK "Anonymous access through tor browser"!!!!
1722498;1507428299;shinohai;They even bothered to vanitygen a custom tor addy
1722499;1507428327;asciilifeform;ads on these trains, ftr, not cheap. ( and certainly not 'to allcomers' )
1722500;1507436650;mats;saudis join turks in s-400 purchases
1722501;1507436685;mats;washington must be glowering
1722502;1507453089;lobbes;!Qhelp
1722503;1507453089;lobbesbot;lobbes: http://lobbesblog.com/lobbesbotcommands
1722504;1507453154;lobbes;!~later tell mircea_popescu ^^ 'help sexpr' and 'help json' also working. lobbesbot has been brought up to spec
1722505;1507453154;jhvh1;lobbes: The operation succeeded.
1722506;1507462948;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722492 maybe tina's looking for a new home.
1722507;1507462948;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 01:58 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568&cpage=4#comment-18272 << in other strange.
1722508;1507463012;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722496 << bwahaha, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=private+internet+access is quickly becoming a portion of the gosplan "gdp" innit.
1722509;1507463012;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 02:02 asciilifeform: in other lullies, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/nsawagenhoneypot.jpg << found on washington metro train today
1722510;1507463090;mircea_popescu;is that up left item supposed to be the pennsylvania bell ? or rather some ad-hoc, tesla times large inductor ? perhaps some nuclear sikrit ?
1722511;1507463140;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722501 << pretty weird, middle east tensions apparently resolved through tribute ? i can make no sense of it whatsoever.
1722512;1507463140;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 04:24 mats: washington must be glowering
1722513;1507463172;shinohai;The sound of that bell instantly alerts patriotfags and sends Cuban diplomats running, complaining of sonic attacks.
1722514;1507463200;mircea_popescu;oh i see
1722515;1507463221;mircea_popescu;is it patriotic to leak the dnc's self-important bullshit leading to the republic sinking clinton ?
1722516;1507463228;mircea_popescu;!Qhelp sexpr
1722517;1507463228;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: http://lobbesblog.com/lobbesbotcommands.sexpr
1722518;1507463278;mircea_popescu;lobbes cool deal, grats on being FIRST!\
1722519;1507464606;*;spyked finally processed ~a week's worth of logs. hi all!
1722520;1507464721;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718287 <-- would buy, esp. if custom pcb cannot be avoided (and I suspect this is the case).
1722521;1507464721;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 16:39 asciilifeform wonders whether anybody would actually buy a generic fpgatronic packet eater-shitter
1722522;1507464765;mircea_popescu;lol wd.
1722523;1507464882;mircea_popescu;as it happens i was JUST reading http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/#selection-549.0-549.226 which is eerily apropos.
1722524;1507464985;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718769 <-- afaik ubb ran a "digitalization" program for library. but they prolly won't make those public, eh?
1722525;1507464985;a111;Logged on 2017-09-30 19:14 mircea_popescu: sorry asciilifeform . all i have are my own notes, which are as all hand notes useless without hte backing of the library of origin (in this case, the universitary library of cluj). teh interwebs dun seem to have a "here's the list of trotsky letters".
1722526;1507465044;mircea_popescu;here's the problem of ourdemocracy : if people are allowed to misperceive they "have choices" and feed this hallucination out of the field of choices they do not have, you end up with the sexy problem, whereby linear cost encounters unreasonably power-law distributed benefit.
1722527;1507465049;mircea_popescu;so yes, they digitized the "sexy" parts.
1722528;1507465076;mircea_popescu;you take my meaning ?
1722529;1507465106;spyked;yeah, thought this is probably the case
1722530;1507465147;spyked;(read through the old newspapers at some point. I think it was through Trilema piece?)
1722531;1507465296;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719047 <-- lol! this reminds me of a horatiu malaele piece (Romanian actor/comedian), "doua vaci". wait, it was on the interwebz (I should translate it anyway at some point)
1722532;1507465296;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 04:06 mircea_popescu: "If pet food companies used the same business model as startups: Jim creates a dog food factory and gives away dog food for free. 450 million dogs line up for free dog food. Purina Dog Chow understands that non-paying dog food consumers are currency, and buys Jim’s factory for $42 per dog." << in other historical elaineo lulz.
1722533;1507465328;mircea_popescu;spyked such as in eg http://trilema.com/2011/sa-ne-agitam-putin-pe-tema-notatiei-limbii-romane and etc yes.
1722534;1507465364;mircea_popescu;spyked probably the peak of his work huh ? see if you get that gherman fellow to read it once you translate it!
1722535;1507465428;spyked;http://www.220.ro/umor-romanesc/Horatiu-Malaele-2-Vaci/nUSRHOCJEP/ <-- ro. only, unfortunately; also buried under piles of shitads, but I salvaged the videofile.
1722536;1507465470;spyked;good idea. will give it a shot
1722537;1507465670;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720147 <-- whatabout ol' zamyatin? We was not bad imo.
1722538;1507465670;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 13:34 mircea_popescu: even exists in early anglo stuff, christ resurrector, christ almighty etc. though the vein exhausted itself readily and apparently without leaving much trace. i guess in the same way "everyone" knows of bedwetter's 1984 but nobody read point counterpoint, notwithstanding that huxley is the important kid in that class, not fucking blair.
1722539;1507465719;mircea_popescu;how is zamytatin a british writer ?
1722540;1507465746;mircea_popescu;and for that matter how is pulp fiction part of literature now.
1722541;1507465785;spyked;wasn't, but wrote about "big brother" before it was cool, neh?
1722542;1507465909;mircea_popescu;i guess the argument could be made, but what's it pay ?
1722543;1507465952;mircea_popescu;there's a petulent dork going about on twitter about he "wrote about bitcoin before it was cool". i suspect the whole "cypherpunk" group of kanzure s secretly hold the same belief, that they're relevant through their failure.
1722544;1507465958;mircea_popescu;you see some value in this ?
1722545;1507466138;spyked;same value I see in "propuneri de masuri pentru imbunatatirea [...]". historical.
1722546;1507466187;mircea_popescu;sure.
1722547;1507466217;mircea_popescu;i would agree that zamyatin is a brilliant pamphleteer and an interesting ethnological/"historical" source.
1722548;1507466484;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722496 << heh i was marveling at the same ad couple of days ago, which i assume means they are all over the trains. i wonder if it's sunlight foundation project
1722549;1507466484;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 02:02 asciilifeform: in other lullies, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/nsawagenhoneypot.jpg << found on washington metro train today
1722550;1507466669;BingoBoingo;From the "Why not make the trilema re-read of the now a surprise files" https://archive.is/pPEfc
1722551;1507466680;phf;nope, it was started by john tye, https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/meet-john-tye-the-kinder-gentler-and-by-the-book-whistleblower/. i suppose he should be classified as a chair shuffler
1722552;1507466714;spyked;mircea_popescu, I'm not sure how I would evaluate it other than by looking at the "boy has no aspirations of his own; boy meets girl; boy gets in trouble; boy gets face stomped by boot" trope that's repeated throughout dystopian novels; there's probably more to it than that, but if there is, I'm not equipped with the literary baggage to see it. Orwell is fashionable nowadays because pantsuit equates Trump with big brother, and... so
1722553;1507466721;spyked;what?
1722554;1507466741;phf;BingoBoingo: is that archive.is link working for you? i've been getting routing resolution errors from cloudflare, pretty consistently part few months
1722555;1507466756;mircea_popescu;spyked better error messages.
1722556;1507466770;BingoBoingo;phf: It is working at the moment
1722557;1507466774;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wait, what ?
1722558;1507466812;phf;"You've requested a page on a website (archive.is) that is on the Cloudflare network. Cloudflare is currently not routing the requested domain (archive.is). There are two potential causes of this:"
1722559;1507466813;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: For the joy of seeing an underlinked classic load. http://trilema.com/2014/gotta-love-that-negro-speak/
1722560;1507466836;mircea_popescu;phf ahgahaha
1722561;1507466839;mircea_popescu;there goes eh.
1722562;1507466847;mircea_popescu;i hope we all got zips.
1722563;1507466855;mircea_popescu;also fwiw, i see it.
1722564;1507466875;BingoBoingo;"That’s just motherfuckin’ mother nature" (TM)(R)
1722565;1507466889;phf;well, i've been getting that error for the past two months. while there was still a heavy archive.is exchange in the logs, os i thought it's something to do with russia. i'm still getting it in u.s. though :o
1722566;1507466910;phf;so i wonder if my machine has been fingerprinted somehow
1722567;1507467001;phf;oh never mind false alert, i have an explicit archive.is host in my hosts file
1722568;1507467145;phf;it was confusing because i was getting legitimate cloudflare issues all the while i was in russia. now i wonder if it's some dns "firewall" propagation issue
1722569;1507467214;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. so you had a specific ip, which used to work, but now they changed it and instead of failing they self-advertise ?
1722570;1507467411;spyked;ftr, I have archive.is in hostsfile with a different IP than the one currently returned by DNS, and not getting a cloudflare page.
1722571;1507467443;phf;my specific ip was a cloudflare ip 104.28.25.2. current dig for archive.is resolves to 195.123.218.180, which is a netherlands "mobicom ltd" range. i suspect that archive.is took themselves off cloudflare in the last some months, so now i'm hitting cloudflare proxy servers and they are complaining that the host: is no longer served
1722572;1507467451;phf;spyked: what ip do you have?
1722573;1507467489;spyked;in hosts, the one you mentioned (195.123.218.180), while host archive.is returns 94.242.57.138
1722574;1507467527;phf;odd, that last one is russian, "ooo fishnet" :)
1722575;1507467529;mircea_popescu;phf i see the same ip as you do.
1722576;1507467556;phf;cloud!
1722577;1507467563;mircea_popescu;spyked seems you're poisoned ?
1722578;1507467571;mircea_popescu;that 94 thing isn't anywhere.
1722579;1507467589;phf;spyked: are you in u.k.?
1722580;1507467630;mircea_popescu;the sudden silence of omg.
1722581;1507467668;spyked;phf, nope. ro. so... let's try some more dns servers.
1722582;1507467729;phf;because the ip address is russian, but registered to a u.k hosting provider, redcentric
1722583;1507467787;shinohai;Weirdly enough when I dig archive.is I get:
1722584;1507467790;shinohai;;; ANSWER SECTION:
1722585;1507467792;shinohai;archive.is.             201     IN      A       84.22.118.22
1722586;1507468001;mircea_popescu;this dns thing...
1722587;1507468072;spyked;dig through Google DNS: 91.235.136.108; dig through romtelecom DNS: 91.228.152.189; so yeah, mircea_popescu might be on to something here. spyed flushes dns caches.
1722588;1507468146;mircea_popescu;well, in other lulz, apparently it's 91.228.152.189 in india.
1722589;1507468160;mircea_popescu;and 88.99.177.114 in brazil.
1722590;1507468186;mircea_popescu;phf i dun think they got off cloudflare tbh, this looks like exactly the sort of crap.
1722591;1507468262;mircea_popescu;94.242.57.138 in mexico.
1722592;1507468861;spyked;speaking of cloud: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1720904 <-- lulz. SGX is ripe with side channels. progz can leak data through page faults (and any other "exceptional" interaction with OS, basically).
1722593;1507468861;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 00:12 ben_vulpes: > Finally, we abuse Intel SGX to hide the attack entirely from the user and the operating system, making any inspection or detection of the attack infeasible.
1722594;1507469181;mircea_popescu;rife.
1722595;1507469274;*;mircea_popescu sits here trying to remember the name of the irrelevant dork with the guns. after a while the best lead i have is "hacker lexicon" was it ? google produces nothing but wired crap ; if treated with a -wired sprinking, suddenly catb.org "jargon file" is top result.
1722596;1507469280;mircea_popescu;why does wired exist again ?
1722597;1507469292;*;spyked liked ripe moar. as in, full of low-hanging fruit
1722598;1507469300;mircea_popescu;oh, to try and parasitize google-reality ? just like any other zynga facebookism ? awww..
1722599;1507469318;mircea_popescu;spyked ok, but there's no such thing as "ripe with".
1722600;1507469328;mircea_popescu;if it's ripe it's ripe.
1722601;1507469363;mircea_popescu;and for that matter rife, as in "rife with fleas" is how english says "full of low hanging fruit".
1722602;1507470033;spyked;ty for explanation, mircea_popescu. oddly, it seems there's no strong etymological relation between the two. (ripe's related to reap, rape; rife, just Germanic for abundancy?)
1722603;1507470056;mircea_popescu;somethinglike that.
1722604;1507471306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722595 << esr ?
1722605;1507471306;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 13:27 mircea_popescu sits here trying to remember the name of the irrelevant dork with the guns. after a while the best lead i have is "hacker lexicon" was it ? google produces nothing but wired crap ; if treated with a -wired sprinking, suddenly catb.org "jargon file" is top result.
1722606;1507471333;mircea_popescu;yeah fished him out eventually.
1722607;1507471345;asciilifeform;aite
1722608;1507471372;mircea_popescu;assistence went "you don't remember esr ?" and i went "what would i remember him for ?" and they went "is this a bit ?"
1722609;1507471398;mircea_popescu;no it's not a fucking bit. even if i sometimes sound just like a character, it's purely fucking accident!
1722610;1507471452;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1720982 <-- considering this as a "learn Ada" project. will share code once I have minimum item worth of showing (processing r5rs and tinyscheme meanwhile)
1722611;1507471452;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 02:17 asciilifeform: however it would very conspicuously rock , imho, if one of you folx did this, instead of waiting.
1722612;1507471519;asciilifeform;neato spyked . keep in mind that you gotta use the ada subset displayed in ffa.
1722613;1507471591;phf;spyked: r5rs and tinyscheme are not the right places to start on the other, non-ada end, i'd recommend looking at lisp in small pieces. you can tease out the theory out of tinyscheme, but it's definitely easier not to get bogged on accidentals if you start from theory
1722614;1507471649;asciilifeform;'small pieces' is pretty good b00k
1722615;1507471781;*;spyked is going through Kogge's book at the moment, incidentally. much lower level, but it should help on Lisp internals.
1722616;1507471783;phf;spyked: i'd also recommend staying away from continuations, they are a cute hack and flow out of some of the classical scheme interpreter designs (i.e. CPS transform), but they are not very useful in production. instead i'd go for a tagbody that gets compiled to a bunch of jmps. in practice tagbody solves 99% of cont problems
1722617;1507471803;phf;http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/s_tagbod.htm
1722618;1507471855;spyked;anyway, I have much of Scheme in head. I'm looking at tinyscheme mostly to figure out what "subset of r5rs" they've implemented. though I'm expecting tinyscheme subset isn't necessarily the same as tmsr-needed subset.
1722619;1507471894;mircea_popescu;in other fucking lulz : http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Paper/1285929.aspx (original title was "beyond the centralized mindset")
1722620;1507471909;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i see eggog
1722621;1507471917;mircea_popescu;that'd be the point now wouldn't it.
1722622;1507471933;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-sexy-problem-formalized/ << Trilema - The sexy problem, formalized
1722623;1507471933;asciilifeform;aa
1722624;1507471954;mircea_popescu;https://llk.media.mit.edu/papers/archive/decentralized/ if you care for some reason. typical mit ocean-toeing.
1722625;1507471971;phf;spyked: keep in mind that all the lispers here are common lisp programmers, so a ~practical~ scripting lisp would be LISP-family themed, rather than an explicit scheme. that's my personal experience with trying to get useful things out of shiva: having to write a bunch of "missing" hyperspec functions. asciilifeform said something similar in the past
1722626;1507472013;mircea_popescu;was candi_lustt cmucl or what was it ?
1722627;1507472020;phf;sbcl
1722628;1507472026;mircea_popescu;aha k.
1722629;1507472108;mircea_popescu;possibly worth linking the s400 thing : https://breakingdefense.com/2017/10/saudis-rock-us-alliance-say-theyll-buy-russias-top-plane-killer-s-400/
1722630;1507472123;phf;fwiw all our production lisp runs on sbcl, including btcbase. as much as i'm pimping cmucl, it's not "modern" enough to host a website on unix. i still think it's a better target for a hypothetical on the iron common lisp
1722631;1507472161;mircea_popescu;phf if you had a blog and time you could sit down to do the whole discussion of that so as to inform future policymaking above and beyond simple amoebic continuation.
1722632;1507472233;spyked;phf ty for lisp in small pieces reference. will look through it.
1722633;1507472325;mircea_popescu;" “The Saudi’s will not be able to link the S-400 with Saudi’s current (US and Europe-sourced) infrastructure, nor will they be able to connect the S-400 with US systems." << says who the everloving fuck.
1722634;1507472332;phf;i've started writing blog posts to "toughen my hand", but it's rough going, i'll add it to the list of things to write about
1722635;1507472350;mircea_popescu;phf hand mollifies in solitude. to toughen must expose.
1722636;1507472938;mircea_popescu;oh, and in random romanian learnings of today, http://trilema.com/2010/care-sunt-iq-tau/
1722637;1507472952;mircea_popescu;if you can read the list so it sounds like a poem, your romanian pronounciation is probably acceptable.
1722638;1507473066;asciilifeform;apparently that easy huh
1722639;1507473075;mircea_popescu;romanian is read as written!
1722640;1507473097;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's www 'cheats' by omitting the orc letterz
1722641;1507473104;mircea_popescu;ehehe
1722642;1507473154;mircea_popescu;I suppose i could do a phonetics of this.
1722643;1507473165;mircea_popescu;why the hell not, the girls are worth the trouble. brb.
1722644;1507473167;asciilifeform;word for girl vs face say
1722645;1507473180;asciilifeform;differ by an orc glyf
1722646;1507473390;mircea_popescu;tru.
1722647;1507475409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2010/care-sunt-iq-tau/#comment-123116
1722648;1507475512;asciilifeform;wassis
1722649;1507475516;spyked;lulz!
1722650;1507475522;asciilifeform;oh hey
1722651;1507476077;asciilifeform;speaking of ro, http://perevod99.blogspot.ru/2011/08/blog-post_23.html << ru pro linguist with some decades of ro habitation, various lulzy posts re subj and other.
1722652;1507476157;asciilifeform;( or possibly i misread re habitation. but still fountain of lulz. )
1722653;1507476178;mircea_popescu;o hey
1722654;1507476195;mircea_popescu;is the kak ?!?! tot acolo joke rendered ?
1722655;1507476235;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-21#1329338 << guess what, it's in the logs.
1722656;1507476235;a111;Logged on 2015-11-21 18:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw ever told you the joke of the muscovite trying to take a shit in bucharest ?
1722657;1507476251;asciilifeform;aayes
1722658;1507476275;mircea_popescu;(cac in romanian being, obviously, off the caco cacare latin root)
1722659;1507476632;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr it was in plenum of the parliament thingee.
1722660;1507476895;*;asciilifeform went on a tr kick and noticed that dulap is a turkish, i.e. dolap ( crate )
1722661;1507476969;mircea_popescu;also fellow misrepresents the failure of the 1989 bucharest meeting. the events flew more or less thus : timisoara rebelled, ceausescu verbally ordered armed repression, on the basis of some discussion, but (most likely deliberately) omitted to actually issue the proper paperwork. the war minister killed himself. ceausescu ordered a meeting organised in bucharest, to announce (in the dead of a bitter winter, without proper he
1722662;1507476969;mircea_popescu;ating in most homes) a list of easements, the chief buttress of which being an extra 100 lei allowed to pregnant mothers (about 1 dollar in black market rates of the time). then the people were dismissed, and they started to leave, but for some entirely to this day unknown reason they were called back. except, they DIDNT go back in order, which means the politruks didn't know who's who.
1722663;1507476972;mircea_popescu;THEN it exploded.
1722664;1507476975;mircea_popescu;there's no "small voice".
1722665;1507476985;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yep.
1722666;1507477064;asciilifeform;why would fuhrer deliberately omit the paperwork
1722667;1507477075;mircea_popescu;anyway. classical ceausescu regime "demonstrations" were organised very much on the ddr bank model, where you could eventually find the address of every single byte.
1722668;1507477080;mircea_popescu;but you need the array to do that.
1722669;1507477091;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because furher was a chickenshit ? like any other 90yo ?
1722670;1507477093;mircea_popescu;who knows.
1722671;1507477124;asciilifeform;gorby wasn't even 60 and already chicken
1722672;1507477133;asciilifeform;( and/or bought )
1722673;1507477166;mircea_popescu;ceausescu was not a gallant sort of brave fellow. during a 1977 miners' revolt (they beat up the commie locals etc) he went there and very much shat it.
1722674;1507477192;mircea_popescu;he was, however, fundamentally brave, in that what he told teh us style "judges" at his "trial" was that he'd much rather be dead.
1722675;1507477205;asciilifeform;this last part is well-known
1722676;1507477274;asciilifeform;in ru sphere it often is chalked up to the proverbial 'дедушка старый - ему всё равно'
1722677;1507477284;asciilifeform;rather than bravery
1722678;1507477285;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1722679;1507477303;mircea_popescu;still, how man faces death is a hard to paper over factor.
1722680;1507477399;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTTVfid33yY << the well publicized moment of "wtf is going on here" with rando politruk going "silence silence" in the background.
1722681;1507477410;mircea_popescu;"alo" being what you say in a phone.
1722682;1507477475;shinohai;!~translate so to en oogi boogi nigga nigger
1722683;1507477476;jhvh1;shinohai: charges associated wound nigga nigger
1722684;1507477505;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol is that the sniper-roof
1722685;1507477517;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1722686;1507477527;mircea_popescu;shinohai lol!
1722687;1507477571;shinohai;^ I heard the above was edited by sjw on Google translate. It used to be "Take a look at the nigger"
1722688;1507477579;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, it's a great postmodern moment you know, failed mangod and his broken phoneline to reality. "hello ? hello ? *mutters under breath* this is a provocation"
1722689;1507477642;mircea_popescu;("provocation", in ourdemocracy lingo of the time, is what you called enemy maneuvers.)
1722690;1507477775;mircea_popescu;(because of reasons discussed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/ socialisms can't have categorical terms, defined in the normal manner, but must always include the ethical color of all words in the words. so "movement" becomes either provocation (bad) or progres (good) and so following for everything, stalin's cup is named by a different cupword than hitler's self-same identical cup)
1722691;1507477850;asciilifeform;aufklärung!
1722692;1507478003;mircea_popescu;rather.
1722693;1507478539;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a pile of disinfo and general crap surrounding the events. as an example : on 2-3 dec gorbachev hung out with bush on a soviet ship. on 4th, there was the wasaw pact meeting. gorbachev was well excited of whatever, the new bulgarian (mladenov, his college pal) and generally the western press coverage.
1722694;1507478566;mircea_popescu;he wrote bucharest a general letter about it, proposing to explain what happened on the 4th. ceausescu responded that unless they have a private meeting he's not coming altogether.
1722695;1507478626;mircea_popescu;this was reported (via the entirely irrelevant "sources" of talbot, beshloss & co) as "the agitation of stalinist tirant" at warsaw, "unhappy with the us-euro offensive to liquidate communism".
1722696;1507478678;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, ceausescu refused to sign off on some paper establishing 20 years after the fact that the invasion of czechoslovakia was a mistake. for the fucking obvious reason that he condemned the russians at the time, and according to readily forgotten "consensus" at the time, at no small personal risk.
1722697;1507478721;mircea_popescu;and he also wasn't impressed with gorbachev;s verbiage as to "disarmament", seeing how romania was spending about 3% of pib on arms in the 85-90 5year plan, whereas ussr had never went under 30% yet.
1722698;1507478722;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1722699;1507478828;asciilifeform;very easy to 3 instead of 30 when you dun gotta do the rocket, n00kz, etc
1722700;1507478843;mircea_popescu;no argument there.
1722701;1507478937;mircea_popescu;but you have to also compare and contrast with romania's declared, and tirelessly promoted official philosophy of pace and "unmingling in internal affairs of sovereign states".
1722702;1507478980;mircea_popescu;guy never saw himself as much more of a su ally than saudis see themselves us allies i dun suspect.
1722703;1507478999;asciilifeform;possibly fancied himself tito ?
1722704;1507479065;mircea_popescu;something. consider actual live events : gorbachev says at the meeting, once they move on past his insistence on having visited the pope as if anyone gave a shit about that "we are all here, who were implicated in the czech affair, except romania, that had exited then".
1722705;1507479077;mircea_popescu;guy replied "romania exited nothing, romania didn't go in, so it had not what to exit."
1722706;1507479096;asciilifeform;in tito's case , and for that matter kim ir sen's -- 'throne is mine, i won it as partizan commander in the war, took no payola from foreign devils' was tru. but how did the shoemaker get ~his~ throne
1722707;1507479140;mircea_popescu;"nu-i adevarat (that's not true), romania nu a iesti din aceasta problema (romania didn't exit the matter), romania nu a intrat in cehoslovacia (it never entered) asa ca nu avea de unde sa iasa (had not what to exit)"
1722708;1507479151;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform elected!
1722709;1507479157;asciilifeform;lollected
1722710;1507479164;mircea_popescu;(this isn't even false, classical case of "sickly old pope")
1722711;1507479168;mircea_popescu;no, actually.
1722712;1507479189;mircea_popescu;the conclave of cardinals picked the least competent of themselves to sit on throne.
1722713;1507479288;mircea_popescu;anyway, the whole meeting went in that vein, ceausescu pointed out to soviet troops still at praga, gorby was liek "oh, that is a bilateral matter" "da, stiu, este un acord bilateral incheiat dupa ocuparea cehoslovaciei" (yea, i know... post-occupation bilateral). then gorby says they can't agree in this matter and ceausescu agrees with him.
1722714;1507479502;mircea_popescu;the important point for romania was that gorby wasn't going to deliver all the oil romania had contracted (and paid for). so ceausescu went to iran ; where he got ~40mn barrels with a further option, to be paid in romanian agricultural machinery.
1722715;1507479539;asciilifeform;waitasec why was ro petroimporting
1722716;1507479554;mircea_popescu;overgrown industrial base, romania imported a lot of energy exported a lot of high tech stuff.
1722717;1507479560;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1722718;1507479563;mircea_popescu;kinda the model since comunists came to their senses post ww2.
1722719;1507479600;mircea_popescu;before that, romania exported oil. after that, imported about 50% of consumption.
1722720;1507479900;mircea_popescu;and of course, "Alan Green, named ambassador to Romania by President George Bush [who called him "a good friend", "intransigent", "well introduced to my take on freedom and democracy"], died Friday in his home in Palm Springs, Calif. He was 75. Mr. Bush selected Mr. Green in 1989, and he moved into the American Embassy in Bucharest just two weeks before the dictator, Nicolae Ceausescu, was executed."
1722721;1507480120;mircea_popescu;(state dept distinguished honor award recipient)
1722722;1507480292;mircea_popescu;and in entirely other lulz : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/jsexnetrwork-soft-on-demand-s.jpg the exhibitionists are those girls who make the obviously deliberate effort of not covering their cunt with their hands.
1722723;1507480313;asciilifeform;lolwassat
1722724;1507480324;danielpbarron;!!v A9B8E39BDFDB6F827D07E95D156AD3BBE11A4165A89EC9FF957F61CDE4C47DF0
1722725;1507480324;deedbot;danielpbarron rated cruciform 1 << bought a couple FUCKGOATS from me
1722726;1507480441;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some reason i can't help but think of the old lul with chinese on footstools synchronously jumping
1722727;1507480533;mircea_popescu;random bucnha naked azn girls.
1722728;1507480750;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722406 << it is in the files.tar.gz linked on my blog, and deeded here http://deedbot.org/deed-482547-1.txt
1722729;1507480750;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 22:12 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: wouldja mind sharing that stage3 you build your eulora gentoos with?
1722730;1507480767;asciilifeform;well yes but loox like intends to be a coherentwave of gurlz rather than randopolarized, if you will.
1722731;1507480792;mircea_popescu;i don't think such a thing as randfomly polarized female wave ever existed or ever could exist.
1722732;1507480800;mircea_popescu;females are naturally-coherent.
1722733;1507480834;mircea_popescu;even to the degree of http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/#selection-3413.588-3413.746 ; or rather... starting with.
1722734;1507482256;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/3790332
1722735;1507482992;danielpbarron;!!deposit 1
1722736;1507483170;danielpbarron;what am i doing wrong?
1722737;1507483374;danielpbarron;!!balance
1722738;1507483676;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron should work.
1722739;1507483723;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 404 eggog ?
1722740;1507483754;mircea_popescu;aww ? they beleeted it already ?
1722741;1507483762;mircea_popescu;look at that, and before the archival bot kicked in, even.
1722742;1507483767;mircea_popescu;I GUESS THE WORLD WILL NEVER KNOW.
1722743;1507483982;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, i get no response from the bot
1722744;1507484000;mircea_popescu;odd. mayne trinque has something to say
1722745;1507484032;phf;!!deposit 0
1722746;1507484159;phf;i was going to say maybe it's hardcoded to mircea_popescu, but lobbes was using it too
1722747;1507484306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what was it
1722748;1507484335;trinque;nope, just something amiss. one sec.
1722749;1507484510;trinque;danielpbarron: give it another try
1722750;1507484527;trinque;today I learn autossh will sometimes exit wtf
1722751;1507484539;trinque;thought it *was* a retry loop for ssh
1722752;1507484561;trinque;!!balance
1722753;1507484566;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IkZcb/?raw=true
1722754;1507484612;phf;trinque: i'll fix http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721087 in a bit. obviously such a change will require deedbot to not ever quote arbitrary log lines in channel
1722755;1507484612;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 16:19 trinque: hm no a111 quote?
1722756;1507484625;trinque;yep, it wont.
1722757;1507485479;danielpbarron;!!deposit 1
1722758;1507485483;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WYvmi/?raw=true
1722759;1507485664;danielpbarron;!!v C6941C8796AD7EBE588C4C2A97DFFD5B3BDF2B2553A01E66AD2F210E28B2C45B
1722760;1507485668;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mpjJR/?raw=true
1722761;1507485906;danielpbarron;!!balance
1722762;1507485909;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ojr7G/?raw=true
1722763;1507485942;trinque;isn't reflected until I actually credit the account
1722764;1507485961;trinque;will do after a few blox
1722765;1507486017;danielpbarron;why is the deposit operation a 2-part thing? couldn't it just encrypt an address to my key with the amount to send?
1722766;1507486041;trinque;it's already in the logs.
1722767;1507486071;trinque;that'll change, but as part of limiting the thing to this channel only
1722768;1507486085;danielpbarron;ah ok, i did read that part
1722769;1507486143;trinque;plenty of improvements left to make, for sure.
1722770;1507486340;asciilifeform;!!up apeloyee
1722771;1507486341;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1722772;1507486351;apeloyee;thanks
1722773;1507486412;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722395 << why do karatsuba when you can just shift and add them, like in your W_Mul
1722774;1507486412;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:14 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722289 << and the point of doing karatsuba is? you do 2 recursive calls to Mul_Karatsuba_TopOnly and one to Mul_Karatsuba. should've simply calculated upper_part(XLo*YHi), upper_part(YLo*XHi) and XHi*YHi
1722775;1507486432;apeloyee;I mean, W_Mul doesn't do karatsuba
1722776;1507486445;asciilifeform;describe in detail ?
1722777;1507486637;apeloyee;compute the higher part of product X*Y as XHi*YHi+ShiftRight(XLo*YHi+XHi*YLo, K), where K is size of XLo and YLo
1722778;1507486664;apeloyee;no computation of |XHi-XLo|
1722779;1507486784;apeloyee;are you disappointed by the savings of computing just the higher part yet?
1722780;1507486802;asciilifeform;not yet, considering that it dun work yet, lol
1722781;1507486864;apeloyee;see, it does three recursive calls, meaning the speedup is wholly dependent on the speedup of comba for half-multiply
1722782;1507486877;apeloyee;three, just like normal caratsuba mul
1722783;1507486907;apeloyee;and most products for which the comba is called, are full products, not half products
1722784;1507487169;apeloyee;2 half products out of 3 on the first level of recursion, 4 of 9 on second, and 8 of 27 on third, assuming 64-bit words and unrealistic 2-fold speedup of comba for half-multiply, and no overhead in karatsuba,
1722785;1507487175;apeloyee;!~calc 4/27
1722786;1507487177;jhvh1;apeloyee: 4/27 = 0.14814814814814814
1722787;1507487184;apeloyee;15% speedup
1722788;1507487209;apeloyee;for 64-bit words, 4096-bit operands
1722789;1507487280;apeloyee;the best case pretty much.
1722790;1507487314;asciilifeform;currently i'm aiming for <1sec (opteron 3GHz) 4096b modexp, with minimal new moving parts. after that -- releasing.
1722791;1507487337;apeloyee;which pretty much resolves http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722070
1722792;1507487337;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 00:38 asciilifeform: mod6: you will notice that the barrett in 'crc handbook' is more complicated : it shrinks the x and then compensates later. this relies on normalization , and constanttimeized incarnation of it would have to work as apeloyee described ( i'ma try it much later, once i see what can be had re speed strictly from having asymmetric karatsuba instead of the current mega-waste )
1722793;1507487354;apeloyee;so, are you putting off the top-half-multiply
1722794;1507487370;asciilifeform;i'ma try it next
1722795;1507487370;deedbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722757 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SMb9H/?raw=true
1722796;1507487378;trinque;danielpbarron: ^
1722797;1507487457;mircea_popescu;apeloyee i'm curious, what do you do for a living ?
1722798;1507487478;apeloyee;i'ma try it next<< for less than 15% speedup (or 10% for 8192-bit operands)? converting to classical barrett should be much more productive
1722799;1507487615;asciilifeform;apeloyee: my strategy so far was to introduce moving parts very, very reluctantly ( started with egyptian multiplier, for example ) when there is absolutely no choice.
1722800;1507487655;asciilifeform;for instance unrolled comba wins 20-25% speed, but i did not use it in place of the generic because it is longer and harder to read.
1722801;1507487679;apeloyee;what do you do for a living ?<<sit before computer, sometimes participating in writing of, er, physics papers.
1722802;1507487688;asciilifeform;( unrolled comba would have explicit unrolled cases for 1,2,...,8-word operands )
1722803;1507487701;mircea_popescu;ha.
1722804;1507487794;apeloyee;so top-half-multiplier isn't a moving part?
1722805;1507487826;asciilifeform;it is! but much smaller than, for instance, the secretshift-barrett.
1722806;1507487843;asciilifeform;which i will also make, and decide if it was worth the cost
1722807;1507487860;asciilifeform;and then bernsteinian karatsuba, possibly, and whatever else i can think of.
1722808;1507487893;asciilifeform;in the end might even release different variants that have different complexity tradeoffs.
1722809;1507487899;danielpbarron;trinque, ty
1722810;1507487901;asciilifeform;( reader can pick which he wants )
1722811;1507487920;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in wetware engine work, http://78.media.tumblr.com/99f358816497d4f932800e6fa98aeaff/tumblr_nakmetMb3y1tk1rqio1_500.gif
1722812;1507487937;apeloyee;do you agree that top-half-mul wins 10% at most for 8192-bit operands?
1722813;1507487981;trinque;apeloyee: try upping yourself
1722814;1507487982;asciilifeform;( a concrete example : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bP0Qt/?raw=true vs http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/YBnZR/?raw=true knuthianmod )
1722815;1507488044;apeloyee;!!v 2E65968AB6D7D411ADAAA70B8E530119A400D844AC246114A50D95567C482A12
1722816;1507488045;deedbot;You are now voiced in #trilema
1722817;1507488063;trinque;great. obviously when not voiced, will have to pm.
1722818;1507488074;asciilifeform;apeloyee: theoretically. but cache locality win from smaller memory segment sometimes gives surprising winning. the example above, for instance, gives 2x speedup rather than my predicted 25%.
1722819;1507488087;mircea_popescu;^
1722820;1507488103;mircea_popescu;i was going to say, the calculated %s rarely match. but theoretically, it should be less than 0.1
1722821;1507488115;apeloyee;thanks trinque
1722822;1507488124;trinque;yw
1722823;1507488244;asciilifeform;if ffa can be made to do 4096b modexp in 0.5s on typical comp, that gives ~1byte/msec purersa payload. which is enough for many purposes, e.g. voice.
1722824;1507488267;asciilifeform;a 2sec modexp is already a wholly fine replacement for koch's gpg, say.
1722825;1507488307;asciilifeform;( karatsuba, i will note for n00bz, parallelizes , but i deliberately omitted parallelization logic because i want ffa buildable on msdos and for machines with 1 cpu )
1722826;1507488394;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722397 << I was unclear. Let A be the number to be reduced mod N, R the approximate reciprocal, K the ffa bitness fitting the modulus, then we know that 0<A - N*floor(A*R/4^K) < 2*N <2^(K+1). So might as well calculate A - N*floor(A*R/4^K) modulo 2^(K+1).
1722827;1507488394;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:25 apeloyee: the multiply-by-approximate quotient in barrett's also needs only the lower part (plus 2 extra bits to the left), and lower part of product can be computed exactly (since rounding is not a problem)
1722828;1507488403;apeloyee;i.e. the lower part.
1722829;1507488422;apeloyee;modulo 2^(K+2) for classical barrett.
1722830;1507488489;asciilifeform;it isn't clear to me exactly how
1722831;1507488571;apeloyee;right, unclear again. the muliply of N and floor(A*R/4^K)  can be calculated mod 2^(K+1)
1722832;1507488608;apeloyee;*product
1722833;1507488653;asciilifeform;how? k is discrete ( multiple of e.g. 64 )
1722834;1507488710;apeloyee;ok, modulo 2^(K+64).
1722835;1507488785;asciilifeform;all of my mult is xbit * xbit -> 2xbit . ( after using apeloyee's method, also can have xbit * xbit -> upperhalf(2xbit) )
1722836;1507488811;asciilifeform;i even threw out ability to have mul operands that are not power of 2.
1722837;1507488827;asciilifeform;( karatsuba assumes length always divisible by 2 )
1722838;1507488854;asciilifeform;*that are now power of 2 size
1722839;1507488857;asciilifeform;*not
1722840;1507488908;asciilifeform;so how do you propose to multiply anything modulo 2^(k+64)  ?
1722841;1507488961;apeloyee;your choice to not implement it. i've come to the conclusion that it's not worth the effort anyway.
1722842;1507489146;asciilifeform;so far almost all of my theoretical predictions re which optimizations will be worth the effort, were wrong
1722843;1507489157;asciilifeform;( as in above case with knuth divider )
1722844;1507489175;asciilifeform;because on pc most of the wait time is for memory access.
1722845;1507489210;apeloyee;on a different topic, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722429 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721484 seem to contradict each other. what's an initial sieve for if the algo must run in fixed time? i've interpreted it as "successful test must run in fixed time, failures can be variable-time", and make proposal accordingly.
1722846;1507489210;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 00:16 asciilifeform: the ONLY correct method of generating cryptoprimes, is to 1) get N bits from FUCKGOATS 2) determine, in fixed spacetime every single time, whether that string of bits constitutes a usable prime.
1722847;1507489210;a111;Logged on 2017-10-05 19:38 asciilifeform: for the initial sieve ~prior~ to miller-rabin
1722848;1507489243;asciilifeform;apeloyee: no contradiction. the variability of time is in the ~test~, not the output result , which naturally will vary depending on what rng gave you
1722849;1507489264;asciilifeform;there must be no variability in the time the ~test~ takes.
1722850;1507489278;asciilifeform;*variability allowed not in the test, but in output
1722851;1507489322;apeloyee;so if the number fails initial sieve, do you proceed to miller-rabin?
1722852;1507489341;mircea_popescu;http://wifc.com/news/articles/2017/oct/06/russia-greek-ruling-on-russian-bitcoin-fraud-suspect-is-illegal/ in other coke machine competitions.
1722853;1507489382;asciilifeform;apeloyee: i see your point. either we dispense with the sieve, or decide to count from the moment after sieve.
1722854;1507489399;asciilifeform;otherwise sieve is waste of time.
1722855;1507489422;mircea_popescu;i don't see what the problem is, practically. so you leak ... how many times you had to try to get a prime ?
1722856;1507489440;mircea_popescu;leaking rng quality is more of a concern for debian/prngs.
1722857;1507489440;asciilifeform;possibly constantly, depending on the rsa keying system
1722858;1507489452;asciilifeform;if we generate keys continuously, it is a problem.
1722859;1507489476;mircea_popescu;hm
1722860;1507489477;asciilifeform;the time taken by heathen miller-rabin , in fact leaks key bits.
1722861;1507489491;asciilifeform;( i linked to a concrete algo for this attack some months ago )
1722862;1507489525;asciilifeform;rejecting rng result that doesn't pass the gcd sieve -- leaks nothing
1722863;1507489540;asciilifeform;because all you do is get NEXT N bits from rng, they have ( if rng is proper ) 0 relation to previous N
1722864;1507489546;mircea_popescu;right.
1722865;1507489552;apeloyee;yes. same for miller-rabin
1722866;1507489554;mircea_popescu;so this is more a r-m problem altogether. as that's not linear.
1722867;1507489563;asciilifeform;apeloyee: no, because there is another possibility
1722868;1507489570;mircea_popescu;apeloyee no, because as he well points out, the time it takes is not unrelated to the key.
1722869;1507489570;asciilifeform;for miller rabin you may end up ACCEPTING the test
1722870;1507489583;asciilifeform;and then if your miller-rabin is variable time, you have leaked key bits.
1722871;1507489591;asciilifeform;via the interval it took you to ACCEPT.
1722872;1507489636;asciilifeform;this is why ultimately entire primality test algo must be constant time, just like the other pieces.
1722873;1507489655;asciilifeform;if you leak in one place, the rest of the places are worthless
1722874;1507489660;apeloyee;well, I thought it's not a problem, each round of m-r can be implemented by slightly different version of extant modexp
1722875;1507489668;mircea_popescu;ugh
1722876;1507489669;apeloyee;leaking number of rounds is not a problem
1722877;1507489670;asciilifeform;what?!
1722878;1507489677;asciilifeform;no 'different versions'
1722879;1507489686;asciilifeform;understand, this thing is 800 lines right now and i consider it too big.
1722880;1507489703;asciilifeform;ANY LEAK IS A PROBLEM
1722881;1507489708;asciilifeform;there is to be no compromise on leak.
1722882;1507489720;asciilifeform;if you want 'compromise' rsa, use koch's.
1722883;1507489726;mircea_popescu;the true problem here is that there's not going to be a fixtime r-m
1722884;1507489731;asciilifeform;yes there is.
1722885;1507489736;mircea_popescu;how ?
1722886;1507489740;asciilifeform;same method as constant gcd.
1722887;1507489748;asciilifeform;all steps that were previously conditional, happen muxed.
1722888;1507489773;mircea_popescu;but its a probabilistic algo.
1722889;1507489787;apeloyee;if you have N ffa-eligible tests, bailing early out after one of them failed is not a problem.as per above.
1722890;1507489793;mircea_popescu;it naturally makes assumptions about the item you're testing.
1722891;1507489795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all that means is that one of the inputs comes from rng.
1722892;1507489802;asciilifeform;it doesn't mean that we are forced to BRANCH on it.
1722893;1507489805;mircea_popescu;hm
1722894;1507489805;asciilifeform;can instead -- mux.
1722895;1507489813;asciilifeform;just like i did everywhere else.
1722896;1507489836;asciilifeform;apeloyee: correct.
1722897;1507489849;asciilifeform;apeloyee: each individual test has to be fixedtime though. then -- yes.
1722898;1507489862;asciilifeform;then all ACCEPTED primes took exactly same number of cpu clocks, to produce.
1722899;1507489965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: review the mr algo , it is actually surprisingly easy to ffaize, just replace all 'return true' with flag := flag OR true, etc
1722900;1507490012;mircea_popescu;incidentally, since we're on m-r : do we actually pick 4096 bit bases to avoid the arnault number problem ? to leverage the ffa flatness, as in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722376 ?
1722901;1507490012;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 19:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722358 << point was exactly to compare like items. i.e. heathendom does NOT get to 'win' by 'oh hey the hamming weight of exponent is only 2, not 4096, so we only do 4 modexps and not 8192'
1722902;1507490029;asciilifeform;y'mean exponents ?
1722903;1507490041;mircea_popescu;Z/nZ < n factor.
1722904;1507490075;asciilifeform;waiwat
1722905;1507490089;apeloyee;each round of miller-rabin is mostly a modexp which makes some tests on the intermediate results. so I don't see how you can avoid a different version of modexp
1722906;1507490132;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220161766_Constructing_Carmichael_Numbers_which_are_Strong_Pseudoprimes_to_Several_Bases (guy named arnault gave example of number for which all tests up to ~300 were misleading)
1722907;1507490132;asciilifeform;apeloyee: i don't see what is wrong with standard modexp
1722908;1507490158;mircea_popescu;but we don't have to start low. and we don't really want to, either.
1722909;1507490178;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: chance of these without sabotaged rng is < chance of meteorite
1722910;1507490190;asciilifeform;( meteorite specifically on your head, not elsewhere )
1722911;1507490199;mircea_popescu;depends how you run RM, doesn't it.
1722912;1507490207;mircea_popescu;famously, maple misidentified the guy's number. not because of rng, eiher.
1722913;1507490263;asciilifeform;item paywalled
1722914;1507490265;asciilifeform;anybody got copy ?
1722915;1507490299;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://mathcrypto.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/large-carmichael-numbers-that-are-strong-pseudoprimes-to-several-bases/
1722916;1507490306;asciilifeform;ty
1722917;1507490338;mircea_popescu;2887148238050771212671429597130393991977609459279722700926516024197432303799152733116328983144639225941977803110929349655578418949441740933805615113979999421542416933972905423711002751042080134966731755152859226962916775325475044445856101949404200039904432116776619949629539250452698719329070373564032273701278453899126120309244841494728976885406024976768122077071687938121709811322297802059565867 for permanent record.
1722918;1507490347;asciilifeform;i suspect that for any probabilistic test, you can construct a boojum (e.g. you know that he will do 300 rounds, you make one that needs 301 )
1722919;1507490365;mircea_popescu;this is specifically "all prime bases up to 300".
1722920;1507490370;mircea_popescu;because (((idiots))) start from 1.
1722921;1507490375;mircea_popescu;which i assume we won't be doing ?
1722922;1507490386;asciilifeform;i can't think of why to do any such thing
1722923;1507490391;mircea_popescu;but maple did do it.
1722924;1507490405;apeloyee;maple did a deterministic test
1722925;1507490418;apeloyee;and made it wrong
1722926;1507490421;mircea_popescu;(and ftr -- aleph (carmichael numbers) = aleph(N) iirc.)
1722927;1507490432;mircea_popescu;apeloyee wasn't it exactly r-m restricted to first 10 primes or such ?
1722928;1507490466;apeloyee;I think so.
1722929;1507490472;mircea_popescu;well that's what i'm saying.
1722930;1507490485;asciilifeform;and moreover for long-term key genning, imho a week or longer probabilistic primality test is not inappropriate.
1722931;1507490486;mircea_popescu;"10 rounds, start from 1".
1722932;1507490502;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform should prolly be user knob tbh.
1722933;1507490512;asciilifeform;( and naturally it parallelizes without any effort on all iron you might have , just set it up on each )
1722934;1507490589;asciilifeform;this requirement is somewhat in tension with classical airgapism 'this key was born in this tin can, and must die in it' however
1722935;1507490595;asciilifeform;so operator must decide for himself
1722936;1507490617;asciilifeform;which he'd rather have -- key that he genned inside 50cent chip, staying there, or primality-torture on his fleet of pentiums etc
1722937;1507490639;apeloyee;at that cost, may also do the deterministic miller test then.
1722938;1507490645;mircea_popescu;^
1722939;1507490647;mircea_popescu;probably should.
1722940;1507490706;mircea_popescu;and in other bucharest tax office, https://i2.wp.com/www.cronicipebune.ro/wp-content/uploads/IMG_1539.jpg
1722941;1507490718;jurov;hi mircea_popescu, s.qntr is still traded? i have got some frozen mpex orders
1722942;1507490737;mircea_popescu;jurov shall look into it.
1722943;1507490737;asciilifeform;i'm not aware of a fully deterministic test that doesn't run in geological (e.g. saxena) time
1722944;1507490776;asciilifeform;( very often abuse of terminology, what people actually mean by 'deterministic version' is 'probabilistic with prng supplying the random' )
1722945;1507490880;apeloyee;doesn't run in geological (e.g. saxena) time << if you have faith in generalized riemann hypothesis and correctness of work on deterministic miller test - you have it. I don't, but running test for a week is imo greater crackpottery than believing in that.
1722946;1507490920;mircea_popescu;well, the running maybe not, but ~believing~ that it achieved something, surely.
1722947;1507490938;asciilifeform;i'll take the p(failure) to the week's power, over the possibility of hypothesis falling and ALL keys fucked.
1722948;1507490939;mircea_popescu;as per the ancient "doctor, random things in the house are talking to me, am i losing it ?" "have you started answering ?" "not yet" "then not yet"
1722949;1507490990;asciilifeform;( i.e. i regard the proof behind strength of the probabilistic ver, as fundamentally stronger than the other's )
1722950;1507491031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but this is just the artistic side in you.
1722951;1507491040;asciilifeform;and incidentally if there existed an UNBIASED constructor of primes, i'd use that
1722952;1507491044;asciilifeform;and dispense with tests.
1722953;1507491047;asciilifeform;but there does not.
1722954;1507491097;mircea_popescu;oh and in other news
1722955;1507491100;mircea_popescu;!#s simona halep
1722956;1507491101;a111;21 results for "simona halep", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=simona%20halep
1722957;1507491105;mircea_popescu;^ now #1.
1722958;1507491118;asciilifeform;unbiased -- in this case -- would mean that it eats ANY bitstring from rng, R, and maps it to UNIQUE prime , P
1722959;1507491137;mircea_popescu;no, i get it. you want a prime index function.
1722960;1507491139;asciilifeform;where P has same bitness as R.
1722961;1507491143;mircea_popescu;but function, not hash table
1722962;1507491147;asciilifeform;correct.
1722963;1507491171;mircea_popescu;this incidentally is a fine statement of what a prime even fucking is.
1722964;1507491182;mircea_popescu;"not a root of 1st degree polynomial with smaller parameters than it"
1722965;1507491371;asciilifeform;apeloyee: i don't actually see how 'test for a week' is crackpottery when speaking about a key that is intended to stand up for 50 years ( or longer )
1722966;1507491390;asciilifeform;when submarine is built, meant to last maybe 20yrs, test takes much longer than week
1722967;1507491396;asciilifeform;and costs considerably more
1722968;1507491405;apeloyee;pray that GNFS will never be improved upon!!
1722969;1507491405;asciilifeform;whereas some keys are more valuable than any submarine
1722970;1507491422;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the test that takes longer and costs more does not consist of manic re-measuring of the same one length, repeated millions of times.
1722971;1507491422;asciilifeform;apeloyee: why not also say 'pray that p != np '
1722972;1507491439;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if ~probabilistic~, not 'same' test
1722973;1507491448;apeloyee;asciilifeform: yes, that too.
1722974;1507491459;mircea_popescu;if your expectation is that the fifth attempt did not resolve the problem in a manner such as the fifth million would, there's deeper problems.
1722975;1507491474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is demonstrably true re r-m test tho.
1722976;1507491478;asciilifeform;whole idea of probabilistic algo.
1722977;1507491486;mircea_popescu;apeloyee the p/np thing is kinda the label used here for all these, zfc, gnfs, etc.
1722978;1507491510;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform convergence on it is much narrower than mn tries or w/e a week provides.
1722979;1507491511;asciilifeform;^ to rephrase, we don't actually know if hard problems exist as a hard law of nature.
1722980;1507491523;asciilifeform;it remains possible that -- somehow -- they do not
1722981;1507491563;asciilifeform;but in light of this, a correct rsatron is still one that stands on nothing BUT the assumption that rsa is hard.
1722982;1507491586;mircea_popescu;well, so defined it must gcd as primality test.
1722983;1507491590;asciilifeform;rather than, e.g., 'rsa broken OR aes broken OR prng broke OR riemann is false OR ...'
1722984;1507491610;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it were physically possible as the sole primality test, we'd all use.
1722985;1507491617;mircea_popescu;i know no proof of r-m convergence in terms of factorization.
1722986;1507491627;apeloyee;hey, before quadratic sieve was invented, they used to say that breaking 512-bit rsa will take eleventy zillion years and it's therefore Totally Secure (tm)
1722987;1507491644;mircea_popescu;aha. and even after it was invented and before it was published.
1722988;1507491678;asciilifeform;fall of rsa is roughly same item as 'global warming'
1722989;1507491695;asciilifeform;in that it may be an actual problem , but NONE of the folx who ever publicly discussed it, have any business being taken seriously.
1722990;1507491713;asciilifeform;all 'selling something'.
1722991;1507491729;asciilifeform;and all of what they're selling -- stinks.
1722992;1507491738;apeloyee;why should then "ras key for 50n years" should be taken seriously then?
1722993;1507491748;apeloyee;*rsa key for 50 years
1722994;1507491753;asciilifeform;because it is the null hypothesis.
1722995;1507491777;asciilifeform;you get choice between 1) rsa 2) public key crypto does not exist
1722996;1507491787;asciilifeform;people offering a (3) are sellingsomething.
1722997;1507491789;mircea_popescu;then 2 seems the null hypothesis ?
1722998;1507491893;asciilifeform;problem is that the historical period where crypto was a contest of bullet vs armour, rather than 'absolute bullet exists'/'absolute armour exists' is not over.
1722999;1507492025;asciilifeform;situation where rsa is breakable, but no one can yet break it, makes it the sane option . because alternative is to become a donkey fucker ( rely on face to face for all comms , hope that nobody invents listening bug, etc )
1723000;1507492035;apeloyee;anyway, I was saying that, if spending a week, may spend a small fraction of the time on the supposed-deterministic test
1723001;1507492049;asciilifeform;why not both ?
1723002;1507492056;apeloyee;of course boith
1723003;1507492059;apeloyee;*both
1723004;1507492069;asciilifeform;when i say 'week' it does not mean on a particular test.
1723005;1507492080;asciilifeform;can be on any combination of whatever known tests.
1723006;1507492240;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722400 << hey, I offered you an idea for GCD. you: "it stinks". I point you to bernstein ( https://facthacks.cr.yp.to/batchtrial.html ). you: "it stinks". maybe GCD is not a sane option ofter all, eh?
1723007;1507492240;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:28 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << i thought bernstein's "how to find smooth parts of integers" suggests a remainder tree, not gcd?
1723008;1507492263;asciilifeform;gcd is for the pre-mr sieve, is all.
1723009;1507492283;asciilifeform;( and potentially for other primality tests, though i can think of some cryptosystems where it is handy )
1723010;1507492293;asciilifeform;remember that ffa is not strictly for rsa.
1723011;1507492337;asciilifeform;apeloyee: what does remainder tree win when you are testing only 2 numbers ?
1723012;1507492352;asciilifeform;i used bernstein's tree in phuctor, where it made actual sense
1723013;1507492354;apeloyee;what two numbers?
1723014;1507492357;asciilifeform;x and y.
1723015;1507492381;asciilifeform;( in our concrete case, r, a random , and p, a primorial -- for the pre-mr litmus test )
1723016;1507492398;asciilifeform;if gcd(r, p) == 1 -- then worth m-r, otherwise not )
1723017;1507492433;apeloyee;why p, and not p1, p2, ... p419?
1723018;1507492453;asciilifeform;because i'm on a chip with 32kB of memory, say.
1723019;1507492464;asciilifeform;why the hell should i keep random crud in a table to pick up later.
1723020;1507492566;asciilifeform;but hypothetically it may even be possible to ffaize bernstein's tree. or even to do it in such a way that doesn't wipe out the cpu winning from it. and even possibly to prove that it works and doesn't leak bits and doesn't let composites through once in a while.
1723021;1507492567;apeloyee;because the acceptably fast algorithms are simpler.
1723022;1507492574;asciilifeform;but this would weigh more than all of ffa to date !
1723023;1507492673;asciilifeform;when you ffaize 'simpler' is not always what initially looks like .
1723024;1507492756;apeloyee;bernstein's batch trial division would seem to straightforwardly ffaize. where's the problem?
1723025;1507492788;asciilifeform;the fact that i don't need the batch aspect for anything, for starters
1723026;1507492795;asciilifeform;the fact that divisions are dog slow, for seconds
1723027;1507492833;apeloyee;the fact that i don't need the batch aspect for anything, for starters << so don't.
1723028;1507492849;apeloyee;the fact that divisions are dog slow, for seconds << what barrett's reduction is for.
1723029;1507492942;asciilifeform;in practice on pc speed appears to be inversely proportional to memory used, rather than the cpu cycle count.
1723030;1507492956;asciilifeform;and gcd wins vs however-many trial divisions with barrett.
1723031;1507493002;asciilifeform;(i.e. you still win if you take 500x the cpu cycles, so long as you don't get cache-evicted)
1723032;1507493034;asciilifeform;barrett needs large scratch buffer for the mults; gcd can happen in-place.
1723033;1507493037;apeloyee;but you said you was wrong in estimating performance every time!! :P
1723034;1507493056;asciilifeform;lol
1723035;1507493066;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1723036;1507493103;asciilifeform;and incidentally i was not joking when said 32kb, it is fully my intention to eventually put whole thing on fpga where there will be certainly not even half MB of working space.
1723037;1507493119;asciilifeform;not even quarter mb.
1723038;1507493182;apeloyee;I think http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722402 will win over quadratic gcd.
1723039;1507493182;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:48 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << alternatively, can *construct* numbers which don't have very small factors. pick a nonzero remainder mod 2, mod 3, ... mod largest-prime-fit-in-your-primorial and find what number of primorial is congruent to it using chinese remainder theorem
1723040;1507493206;asciilifeform;not if it needs 8x more temp space
1723041;1507493213;asciilifeform;and doesn't even stand a chance of fitting in fpga.
1723042;1507493229;asciilifeform;( and probably not even on pc, where it will get thrown out of cache )
1723043;1507493234;asciilifeform;but you're welcome to try.
1723044;1507493307;apeloyee;on fpga, can bit-pack.
1723045;1507493315;asciilifeform;elaborate?
1723046;1507493344;apeloyee;pack p1, p2, ... pn so it doesn't take much more space, than the product thereof.
1723047;1507493359;asciilifeform;how??
1723048;1507493371;asciilifeform;we're still doing constant times.
1723049;1507493424;apeloyee;what, the small primes are a secret?
1723050;1507493425;asciilifeform;understand that in fpga 'secret shift' is NOT a function that can be 'called', but a physical object that gets instantiated, using thousands of cells, every time you use it.
1723051;1507493436;asciilifeform;same as adder, etc.
1723052;1507493476;apeloyee;oh noes, the enemy will learn that the first primes are 2,3,5,7,11,..!!!
1723053;1507493486;asciilifeform;( i.e. every time you write down a '+' that's a minimum of 2N LUTs used up, that cannot be used for anything else, where N is the operand width )
1723054;1507493501;asciilifeform;apeloyee: no compromises.
1723055;1507493508;asciilifeform;on leak.
1723056;1507493518;asciilifeform;no camel's nose in the tent.
1723057;1507493527;asciilifeform;who wants to fuck camels, can go use openssl.
1723058;1507493546;apeloyee;why not lak waht's already public: the list of small primes. that' not a compromise.
1723059;1507493559;asciilifeform;because go and prove that it is ALL you leaked.
1723060;1507493588;asciilifeform;not to mention that we do not have such a thing as a small integer.
1723061;1507493601;asciilifeform;we only have gigantic integers, and single bits. that's it.
1723062;1507493631;*;asciilifeform bbl
1723063;1507494089;apeloyee;as usual, if primitives don't leak- this won't leak anything but the small primes. this is obvious. or are we doing associativity proof in peano arithmetic or other hair-shirt arcana (c)
1723064;1507495399;apeloyee;not if it needs 8x more temp space << and karatsuba totally doesn't.
1723065;1507495496;apeloyee;you trade temp space for performance.
1723066;1507495584;apeloyee;not 8x, but nether does proposed method
1723067;1507495602;apeloyee;nether does proposed method require 8x
1723068;1507495655;apeloyee;*neither
1723069;1507496087;apeloyee;your fpga impl will necessarily have multipliers for various sizes of int
1723070;1507496090;apeloyee;can reuse that
1723071;1507496108;apeloyee;multipliers for mod-exp
1723072;1507496263;mircea_popescu;i expect you just get one mult for the largest size and reuse it indefinitely, nfi what he's on about with the 2n luts for every sum
1723073;1507496331;apeloyee;yes, that would fit no fpga one can buy
1723074;1507496661;mircea_popescu;and in continuing funz, http://78.media.tumblr.com/8292708d5f10c32dd03e840cbf38b52f/tumblr_msoh7wWpev1snc48co1_400.gif
1723075;1507497030;mircea_popescu; http://www.beatmort.ro/aberatii/internalnote.php << in ancient lulz, rather related to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691973  ; this was genuinely a major piece of ro internet culture late 90s, when ustards started to "invest"/move in.
1723076;1507497030;a111;Logged on 2017-08-01 17:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691747 << this almost suffices to qualify as crane operator!111
1723077;1507497050;mircea_popescu;sadly, nobody had the foresight to fuck them with a spiked pole then.
1723078;1507497058;mircea_popescu;samovar seemed harmless.
1723079;1507497874;hanbot;nor should you ever substitute "May I help you?" with "ce pula mea vrei"? << ahahaha
1723080;1507497884;mircea_popescu;pai nu ?
1723081;1507497891;*;hanbot has doubts adhering to that list of 'rules' is even possible for most speakers
1723082;1507497926;mircea_popescu;from what i hear they've a new model now.
1723083;1507497929;mircea_popescu;they adhere to anything.
1723084;1507497985;hanbot;at least the walls'll say muie long after the mouths've stopped
1723085;1507499093;mircea_popescu;sooo... just had a lightning so close, made the landline phone ring.
1723086;1507499351;shinohai;"Hey MP, this is Thor .... what's shakin?"
1723087;1507500811;asciilifeform;woah landline
1723088;1507500823;asciilifeform;they still got'em in mircea_popescustan?!
1723089;1507500889;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723058 << which op is it that only leaks 1 of its 2 operands ?
1723090;1507500889;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 20:12 apeloyee: why not lak waht's already public: the list of small primes. that' not a compromise.
1723091;1507500929;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723064 << gcd does not need a karatsuba, the karatsubatron can be doing something else while gcd happens
1723092;1507500929;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 20:43 apeloyee: not if it needs 8x more temp space << and karatsuba totally doesn't.
1723093;1507501003;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723072 << mul is not add, can't do this, the wider register costs you nonlinearly moar time
1723094;1507501003;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 20:57 mircea_popescu: i expect you just get one mult for the largest size and reuse it indefinitely, nfi what he's on about with the 2n luts for every sum
1723095;1507501045;asciilifeform;and large multron is made of a quantity of half-sized ones, they - half-sized again, and so on.
1723096;1507501062;asciilifeform;is all you get. ( see current ffa src, it is illustrative )
1723097;1507503616;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722777 << this btw does NOT work
1723098;1507503616;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 18:17 apeloyee: compute the higher part of product X*Y as XHi*YHi+ShiftRight(XLo*YHi+XHi*YLo, K), where K is size of XLo and YLo
1723099;1507503639;asciilifeform;if it worked, i'd use it in W_Mul -- but it does NOT
1723100;1507503644;asciilifeform;there is a missing term
1723101;1507503673;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lXrJ8/?raw=true << W_Mul, for reference.
1723102;1507503769;asciilifeform;^ represented by 'CL' in above.
1723103;1507503922;asciilifeform;or hm, there's gotta be a mistake in my test, bbl
1723104;1507504789;asciilifeform;now, good noose is that it in fact worx...
1723105;1507504812;asciilifeform;bad is that apeloyee was not only right re 'no more than 10%' but in fact there is NO observed speedup:
1723106;1507504814;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MceAy/?raw=true .
1723107;1507504823;asciilifeform;same ~2sec.
1723108;1507504854;asciilifeform;( conceivably on a box with smaller cache, there could be speedup. )
1723109;1507505024;asciilifeform;though i suspect that this top-only multer oughta recurse...
1723110;1507505442;asciilifeform;( notice, we only use the bottom halves of XHi*YLo and XLo*YHi )
1723111;1507505461;asciilifeform;grr, top, halves
1723112;1507505474;asciilifeform;...top halves of XHi*YLo and XLo*YHi.
1723113;1507506815;*;asciilifeform makes a http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bnsZv/?raw=true and then notices that it not only is always off by smallint, but there is no way to fix, because the carries from the ( not used for anything else ) bottom halves of the muls, now are lost . 
1723114;1507506881;asciilifeform;because what sucks moar than 'ugly' ? how about 'ugly AND wrong answers'
1723115;1507506914;*;asciilifeform bbl, will continue the misadventure later
1723116;1507514548;mircea_popescu;outlyers are interesting. i find an `overcompetent:http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ teenager appealing just as i find an `oversubmissive:http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-pretty/#selection-247.0-251.710 `overinnocent lawyer appealing.
1723117;1507514586;mircea_popescu;how about this format re `tagging:http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719766 ?
1723118;1507514586;a111;Logged on 2017-10-02 19:52 mircea_popescu: so what is the idea here, if i wish to review the state of this, other than asking you, i could also what ? !#s ffa ?
1723119;1507514623;mircea_popescu;i confess i tried to introduce `tickmarks into my process as such, but it ends up ~looking~ fucking retarded. i'm not even know if it just looks that way but isn't, or actually is. huge inertia against it though.
1723120;1507514653;mircea_popescu;however, as a chat anchoring convention i could actually get myself to do it, as that's 99% of what i wish i could do and currently can't, frustrates me once a week with some regularity.
1723121;1507514903;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723086 << pretty epic, wall mounted plasma went blank for 10 seconds, castle of frankenstein styles over here.
1723122;1507514903;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 21:49 shinohai: "Hey MP, this is Thor .... what's shakin?"
1723123;1507514922;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723088 << the stan-advantage is that you can get anything if you want to.
1723124;1507514922;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 22:13 asciilifeform: they still got'em in mircea_popescustan?!
1723125;1507514958;asciilifeform;iirc we found that every other char's been clobbered to death already
1723126;1507514978;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723104 << ahahah! i really enjoy these apeloyee-alf discussions, for the record.
1723127;1507514978;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 23:19 asciilifeform: now, good noose is that it in fact worx...
1723128;1507514988;asciilifeform;and would need a 'year 0' where old logs before time T dun get parsed by tagfinder
1723129;1507514997;mircea_popescu;somehow he manages to need much much less hammer to hammer in a point, for which i confess to admiring the man.
1723130;1507515037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe we can push a year 0 on the misfortunate kind hearts trying to follow this evolvospec.
1723131;1507515044;mircea_popescu;if the argument's good enough, at any rate.
1723132;1507515089;*;asciilifeform has nothing against backtick
1723133;1507515090;mircea_popescu;evolvospec, for the record, is not a spec, exactly in the manner a bad girl may be great fun to be with but notrly a wife.
1723134;1507515102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the more complex construction, `tag:url
1723135;1507515117;asciilifeform;what's that do
1723136;1507515174;mircea_popescu;gets point of reference baked in into tags ; gives me an incentive to even tagmark in the first place.
1723137;1507515198;asciilifeform;aah as in old l0gz
1723138;1507515205;mircea_popescu;wait what ?
1723139;1507515219;asciilifeform;well items that already happened, gotta be tagged
1723140;1507515228;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants to, can.
1723141;1507515245;asciilifeform;but i'd rather see a cleaner method where it happens via the usual phf backarrow
1723142;1507515300;mircea_popescu;i imagine the sane way to represent "outlyers are interesting. i find an `overcompetent:http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ teenager appealing just as i find an `oversubmissive:http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-pretty/#selection-247.0-251.710 `overinnocent lawyer appealing." in html is via the usual anchor mechanism, as "outlyers are interesting. i find an <a href=http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/>overcompetent</a> teen
1723143;1507515300;mircea_popescu;ager appealing just as i find an <a href=http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-pretty/#selection-247.0-251.710>oversubmissive</a> overinnocent lawyer appealing."
1723144;1507515324;asciilifeform;urls get cut off
1723145;1507515333;asciilifeform;there will be ugh
1723146;1507515354;mircea_popescu;logotron can parse them into sense, at a further cost.
1723147;1507515363;asciilifeform;parse a cut off url ?!
1723148;1507515366;mircea_popescu;yes.
1723149;1507515372;asciilifeform;pray tell mr babbage...
1723150;1507515380;mircea_popescu;looks for next space.
1723151;1507515390;asciilifeform;still ugg
1723152;1507515395;mircea_popescu;"further cost" aye.
1723153;1507515404;asciilifeform;why not tag the urls the clean way
1723154;1507515409;mircea_popescu;in chat ?
1723155;1507515421;mircea_popescu;or what is "the clean way" here
1723156;1507515430;asciilifeform;i'll demonstrate:
1723157;1507515520;asciilifeform;`overcompetent http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458568
1723158;1507515520;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 16:36 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ << surprisingly, in english no less !
1723159;1507515535;mircea_popescu;how is this cleanner ? same thing, but instead of : you used space.
1723160;1507515541;asciilifeform;( ideally you would do it to first pop of something )
1723161;1507515554;asciilifeform;cleaner because done ONCE
1723162;1507515565;mircea_popescu;who's gonna enforce the onceness.
1723163;1507515580;asciilifeform;it never has to be done again
1723164;1507515596;mircea_popescu;it never has to be done again whether done by ":" or by " " lol
1723165;1507515609;asciilifeform;the url is now head of the list of what comes out when you click 'overcompetent' in logview
1723166;1507515624;mircea_popescu;reason i prefer the `tag:url format to the `tag url format is that space is too syntactically meaningful.
1723167;1507515638;asciilifeform;ah so yours was also a onetime command ?
1723168;1507515639;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how logotrons use this raw info is left to operator tbh.
1723169;1507515647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not specifically. could be.
1723170;1507515663;asciilifeform;because imho urls in speech are ugh.
1723171;1507515670;asciilifeform;gotta be an exceptional thing
1723172;1507515683;mircea_popescu;or else you know, in other `sluts:http://78.media.tumblr.com/8292708d5f10c32dd03e840cbf38b52f/tumblr_msoh7wWpev1snc48co1_400.gif
1723173;1507515705;asciilifeform;i also favour postfixation for this
1723174;1507515713;mircea_popescu;how's that ?
1723175;1507515751;asciilifeform;http://78.media.tumblr.com/8292708d5f10c32dd03e840cbf38b52f/tumblr_msoh7wWpev1snc48co1_400.gif `sluts
1723176;1507515766;asciilifeform;though could work both ways, no prob
1723177;1507515774;mircea_popescu;this sgml corp deliberation ended up inconclusive.
1723178;1507515796;asciilifeform;lol
1723179;1507515827;mircea_popescu;experience convinces me that anchor-first is correct way and the url-first html spec a kludge./
1723180;1507515831;asciilifeform;why not the simplest variant : `foo adds this line to the tagset.
1723181;1507515840;asciilifeform;of foo
1723182;1507515855;asciilifeform;`sluts - of sluts
1723183;1507515858;mircea_popescu;because if i don't have the liberty to overload an url i can find no incentive to ever tickmark.
1723184;1507515886;asciilifeform;you do though, just put this url in a `foo line .
1723185;1507515901;asciilifeform;no real need to parse the urls or define how they are to be eaten.
1723186;1507515904;mircea_popescu;and if it gets cut, the logparser sure as fuck has no way to fix it now.
1723187;1507515930;asciilifeform;you do it again, and corrected version gets in the tagset.
1723188;1507515942;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, wikipedia : "Erik Naggum (June 13, 1965 – June 17, 2009) was a Norwegian computer programmer recognized for his work in the fields of SGML, Emacs and Lisp. Since the early 1990s he was also a provocative participant on various Usenet discussion groups.[1]" << accidental hit of the consensus process, because "provocative" seemed both sufficiently insulting to the idiots and actually flattering to the fanbois.
1723189;1507515989;asciilifeform;poor dead d00d defenseless before pediwikirasty
1723190;1507516060;mircea_popescu;well... he was "provocative". fine example of consensus-building word in world of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722690 because it's "bad" to one group and "good" to the oither so it all works out.
1723191;1507516060;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 15:49 mircea_popescu: (because of reasons discussed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/ socialisms can't have categorical terms, defined in the normal manner, but must always include the ethical color of all words in the words. so "movement" becomes either provocation (bad) or progres (good) and so following for everything, stalin's cup is named by a different cupword than hitler's self-same identical cup)
1723192;1507516067;mircea_popescu;i suspect chinese has a helluva lot of these.
1723193;1507516127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/ErikNaggum_LUGM98_DKL.jpg << berkley back when it could afford actual plates. a short 30 years ago, at that!
1723194;1507516131;asciilifeform;they tend more to 'grass mud horse'
1723195;1507516146;asciilifeform;!#s grass mud horse
1723196;1507516147;a111;1 result for "grass mud horse", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=grass%20mud%20horse
1723197;1507516150;asciilifeform;hm.
1723198;1507516160;asciilifeform;!~google grass mud horse
1723199;1507516161;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Grass Mud Horse - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass_Mud_Horse>; Grass - mud horse - China Digital Space: <https://chinadigitaltimes.net/space/Grass-mud_horse>; Song of the Grass - Mud Horse (Cao Ni Ma) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DwKx1aenJK08>
1723200;1507516169;asciilifeform;hm.
1723201;1507516195;mircea_popescu;lmao!
1723202;1507516208;asciilifeform;^ typical modern chinesism
1723203;1507516230;asciilifeform;recall ye olde wax tadpole.
1723204;1507516324;mircea_popescu;dude this shit is intricate.
1723205;1507516324;asciilifeform;but otoh i have nfi what cn limba de lemn looks like.
1723206;1507516325;*;mircea_popescu likes.
1723207;1507516334;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "wears three wristwatches"
1723208;1507516347;asciilifeform;el tic, eu tac
1723209;1507516350;asciilifeform;or how it went.
1723210;1507516354;mircea_popescu;lol. totally.
1723211;1507516366;mircea_popescu;it's really hard not to like the chinese, try as one might.
1723212;1507516679;mircea_popescu;!~google "green dam youth escort"
1723213;1507516680;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Green Dam Youth Escort - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort>; China's Green Dam : The Implications of Government Control ...: <https://opennet.net/chinas-green-dam-the-implications-government-control-encroaching-home-pc>; China's " Green Dam Youth Escort " Software - CircleID: <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20090608_chinas_green_dam_youth_escort_software/
1723214;1507516688;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder lmao, mandatory windows service pack.
1723215;1507516858;asciilifeform;lol re the pig ban
1723216;1507516880;mircea_popescu;"protector" of youth that sees no problem as long as the cumguzzler is black etc.
1723217;1507516891;asciilifeform;( in pediwik link , example of 'porn' censored , sty of pig )
1723218;1507516900;asciilifeform;aha
1723219;1507516908;asciilifeform;finest american tech
1723220;1507516920;mircea_popescu;afaik it was made by little yellow men.
1723221;1507516932;mircea_popescu;it does have a little yellow pig-thing stamp for cuteness.
1723222;1507516935;asciilifeform;pioneered by the fat white men
1723223;1507516946;asciilifeform;1990s
1723224;1507516976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shit, you're in there!
1723225;1507516982;asciilifeform;waaiwat
1723226;1507516988;asciilifeform;the pigs?!
1723227;1507516993;mircea_popescu;Datskovskiy, Stanislav (29 June 2010). "The Wisdom of Erik Naggum". Loper OS (blog).
1723228;1507516998;asciilifeform;lollomatic
1723229;1507517004;mircea_popescu;the pigs, lol.
1723230;1507517024;mircea_popescu;http://mailman.gramstad.no/mailman/listinfo/enag-mausoleum of possible interests.
1723231;1507517035;asciilifeform;i linked to it iirc
1723232;1507517040;mircea_popescu;ah ok. i missed.
1723233;1507517089;mircea_popescu;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!banned/topic/comp.text.sgml/LWMT9ibAoDQ << google ai has in its wisdom replaced all of comp.text.sgml with a warning.
1723234;1507517104;mircea_popescu;with people this smart, who can wonder why the united states is the foremost leader of the world!
1723235;1507517105;asciilifeform;looks to be members only nao
1723236;1507517109;asciilifeform;wants pw
1723237;1507517115;mircea_popescu;"continue" just redirects me to the original url.
1723238;1507517129;mircea_popescu;post a "loading" overlay.
1723239;1507517146;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'groups' bit it years ago
1723240;1507517165;mircea_popescu;hey, wikipedia (that bit it recently) still links them.
1723241;1507517174;asciilifeform;concrete articles show up, on a good day. by-group, or text srch, or date -- none
1723242;1507517246;asciilifeform;btw this imho was not accidental, various 'yarvins' ( incl. the original, who confessed to being part of this set ) want to bury their usenet past , 'unseemly'
1723243;1507517268;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
1723244;1507517289;mircea_popescu;let them. contrary to what they may think, success is actually a liability.
1723245;1507517366;asciilifeform;howsthat
1723246;1507517370;mircea_popescu;"SGML is a good idea when the markup overhead is less than 2%." << holy shit check him out. that's... a lot narrower than i'd have guessed.
1723247;1507517411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dja know that koan with the two monks, meeting a woman at a bridge ? "please, one of you, fuck me! fuck me!" she says. one of them recoils in disgust, the other fucks her, then they continue over the bridge.
1723248;1507517437;mircea_popescu;eventually they stop somewhere for the night, and in the wee hours of the morning monk goes and shakes the other awake. "brother... that woman... how could you fuck her ?"
1723249;1507517448;mircea_popescu;"brother... i left her at the bridge. why are you still carrying her ?"
1723250;1507517474;asciilifeform;lolk
1723251;1507517522;mircea_popescu;dao wilde.
1723252;1507517551;asciilifeform;[insert the typical demise of `usenet thread here...]
1723253;1507517947;mircea_popescu;"One has to marvel at the wide  acceptance of our existing punctuation marks and the sociology of their acceptance." << hm. naggum doesn't actually have the ability to understand things he didn't set himself deliberately to work at understanding, does he ?
1723254;1507517984;mircea_popescu;(sauce is http://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-xmlrant.html a particularly poorly/amusinglyt supported broadly correcy but shockingly idiotic in particulars rant)
1723255;1507518624;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1723256;1507518632;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4612.17, vol: 9972.22002248 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4619.6, vol: 28296.13901936 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4240.5948, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4614.2, vol: 4197.98671649 | Volume-weighted last average: 4617.32142572
1723257;1507518683;BingoBoingo;Oh my, this crash is tickling the margin of error to the last all time high
1723258;1507518906;BingoBoingo;And from the sports desk, Mike Pence: "I left today's Colts game because @POTUS and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem."
1723259;1507518962;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what
1723260;1507518984;mircea_popescu;dude didn't do the "proper" ustard gymnastics or what was it ?
1723261;1507519129;BingoBoingo;Oh, the sportsball players didn't stand for the song of country before game in protest of "Police r mean to us black folk" as they had been for the last couple weeks. Mike Pence went to game and left before it started.
1723262;1507519171;mircea_popescu;world went to shit, i started leaving more often than staying through sometime in i dunno, 2006 ?
1723263;1507519264;BingoBoingo;But this isn't Pence pretending to know to ape after you leaving. This is Pence being the ape following ordinary sportball watching Trump voters leaving.
1723264;1507519297;*;mircea_popescu suspects the "sports" entertainment franchises won't weather the anti-pantsuit strom any better than dnc did.
1723265;1507519318;BingoBoingo;The bulk of their fanbase is anti pantsuit.
1723266;1507519321;mircea_popescu;iirc, they've all been struggling for economic relevancy in the past decade, if this even vaguely proves itself as a mass movement the whole shitshow's canned overnight.
1723267;1507519340;mircea_popescu;who the fuck even cares about "sports" anymore, and why would they.
1723268;1507519380;BingoBoingo;This sportball was the financially healthiest reaping all the ad money, but... On the strength of marketing to Texas and the south.
1723269;1507519419;BingoBoingo;The pantsuit states aleady tuned out of sportsball because "concussions" and "mean"
1723270;1507519423;mircea_popescu;in which case, i suspect federation rules requiring all black players wear a yellow star and apologize for being there before every game have even odds next year.
1723271;1507519458;mircea_popescu;trump certainly picked the right "issue" though.
1723272;1507519491;BingoBoingo;Lol, in this sportsball most of the players ARE black
1723273;1507519502;mircea_popescu;so ?
1723274;1507519507;mircea_popescu;most of the dollars--are green.
1723275;1507519548;BingoBoingo;The league is a bureacracy
1723276;1507519567;BingoBoingo;The commisioner a bureaucrat.
1723277;1507519591;mircea_popescu;much much more vulnerable to trump than the liberal "endowments" ie hedge funds masquerading as universities.
1723278;1507519623;BingoBoingo;AHA, and it doesn't help that sportball season overlaps the calendar with sportspuck season.
1723279;1507519669;BingoBoingo;Which gives the bored beer drinking crowd an alternative noise to drink to
1723280;1507520060;*;BingoBoingo predicts pantsuit attacks on sportspuck because racist by the end of November
1723281;1507520069;mircea_popescu;oya.
1723282;1507524140;mircea_popescu;spyked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWJAZg4dAlo had me in stitches over some new year's, but i suspect entirely untranslatable.
1723283;1507524245;mats;http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/08/world/us-turkey-halt-visa-service/index.html
1723284;1507524303;mircea_popescu;this is going well...
1723285;1507524932;mircea_popescu;here's one for BingoBoingo http://www.beatmort.ro/aberatii/jokes.php
1723286;1507525065;BingoBoingo;lol, that's a well circulated copypasta
1723287;1507525073;mircea_popescu;my first time.
1723288;1507525078;BingoBoingo;And yet I re-read
1723289;1507525149;*;asciilifeform saw these on bbsen in '90s
1723290;1507525165;mircea_popescu;pretty much where this is from im sure.
1723291;1507525188;asciilifeform;whenever i see 'pontiac' auto, i think of this .txt, having literally NO other context for it
1723292;1507525221;BingoBoingo;lol
1723293;1507525225;mircea_popescu;is it weird that there's no women in the list ? just jew nigger mexican ?
1723294;1507525236;asciilifeform;that was separate .txt
1723295;1507525241;mircea_popescu;something happened between the 1980s and the 2010s didn't it.
1723296;1507525247;asciilifeform;'... snail trail!' etc
1723297;1507525251;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was that separate .txt something re wives ?
1723298;1507525259;asciilifeform;various
1723299;1507525301;asciilifeform;'how do you know that devil exists?' 'woman's head not flat, cannot hold cup', etc
1723300;1507525313;mircea_popescu;"when my wife saw how many bottles of wine i bought for new year's, she bid me take them to the bathroom and dump them down the drain. i did as she said, because the wife is that person one shares with all life's happiness and unhappines. and sadness. and misfortune. and catastrophe. and all other disasters that wouldn't have happened had one not married."
1723301;1507525325;asciilifeform;bawatt
1723302;1507525334;mircea_popescu;from the above linked malaele piece.
1723303;1507530712;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/ballad/ << Trilema - Ballad...
1723304;1507532028;ben_vulpes;apparently it is bad manners to bother chinese people about business during the mid-autumn festival
1723305;1507532194;mircea_popescu;the who now ?
1723306;1507532240;mircea_popescu;oh the mooncake thing.
1723307;1507532242;ben_vulpes;(apropos of nothing)
1723308;1507532243;mircea_popescu;i thought that was last week
1723309;1507532275;ben_vulpes;mhm
1723310;1507532291;mircea_popescu;it's some dating thing.
1723311;1507532461;ben_vulpes;i have no firsthand idea, but i got the impression the party was for an entire week and nobody was going to be interested in hearing from auslanders for the duration.
1723312;1507532529;mircea_popescu;earlier today i heard from soem guy complaining about "how his job sucks", because he got moved to a new projkect for 3rd time past month, and it's such a waste because now he has to reload whatever.
1723313;1507532580;mircea_popescu;and i was thinking "they moved YOU. why are you thinking in terms of the company/job/whatever ?"
1723314;1507532733;ben_vulpes;as opposed to?
1723315;1507532753;mircea_popescu;as opposed to "i suck so much, they keep bumping me to various projects"
1723316;1507532834;ben_vulpes;does the dude have otherwise spot-on analyses of his weaknesses and folks' opionions of him?
1723317;1507532839;mircea_popescu;in other words : if small yellow guy dun wanna be disturbed, it's possibly not because last week's festival.
1723318;1507532861;ben_vulpes;ah
1723319;1507533012;*;ben_vulpes winces at the self-crit
1723320;1507533034;mircea_popescu;i've no idea man, i'm just thinking outloud.
1723321;1507533040;mircea_popescu;as phf says, "from first principles".
1723322;1507537809;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/republican-flight-manual/ << Trilema - Republican Flight Manual
1723323;1507540775;davout;"A superior pilot uses his superior judgment to avoid situations which require the use of his superior skill."
1723324;1507548509;davout;would the republic be interdasted in colocating boxes in central african republic?
1723325;1507548572;davout;former customer of mine is apparently in the process of putting together a DC there
1723326;1507550172;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723083 <-- this is a sad truth, also at individual level. incidentally makes very easy to sift through the chaff of non-thinking ppl.
1723327;1507550172;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 21:25 mircea_popescu: they adhere to anything.
1723328;1507550288;spyked;btw, the recent discussions re schengen are lulzy (basically a rehash of the old ones, plus-minus the talks about "refugees" etc.). which brings back that old piece http://trilema.com/2013/no-seriously-not-much-of-a-priority-anymore/
1723329;1507550678;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723282 <-- spyked puts this on the list; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723300 <-- pretty good, but the gestures, still untranslatable. are there any good anglo comedians who can do a drunk these days?
1723330;1507550678;a111;Logged on 2017-10-09 04:42 mircea_popescu: spyked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWJAZg4dAlo had me in stitches over some new year's, but i suspect entirely untranslatable.
1723331;1507550678;a111;Logged on 2017-10-09 05:01 mircea_popescu: "when my wife saw how many bottles of wine i bought for new year's, she bid me take them to the bathroom and dump them down the drain. i did as she said, because the wife is that person one shares with all life's happiness and unhappines. and sadness. and misfortune. and catastrophe. and all other disasters that wouldn't have happened had one not married."
1723332;1507551253;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680305 << https://www.wired.com/1996/05/gassee/ a '96 wired article about bebox (but more so about Be head, Gassée), the article is framed by a gratuitous road trip from palo alto to black rock desert (i.e. burning man site) hot springs
1723333;1507551253;a111;Logged on 2017-07-07 23:52 phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz.
1723334;1507551339;phf;should've added `entomology tag
1723335;1507551574;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723141 << fwiw arrows were emergent, from an already well established at the time convention. but i agree with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723119
1723336;1507551574;a111;Logged on 2017-10-09 02:14 asciilifeform: but i'd rather see a cleaner method where it happens via the usual phf backarrow
1723337;1507551574;a111;Logged on 2017-10-09 02:03 mircea_popescu: i confess i tried to introduce `tickmarks into my process as such, but it ends up ~looking~ fucking retarded. i'm not even know if it just looks that way but isn't, or actually is. huge inertia against it though.
1723338;1507554144;shinohai;In whitewashing news: http://archive.is/TPytX
1723339;1507557055;BingoBoingo;<davout> former customer of mine is apparently in the process of putting together a DC there << What would international connectivity be like? Would it be a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721926 (datacenter in vietnam)
1723340;1507557055;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 19:38 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> poorly porous to us, but theoretically even moar so to pantsuit << Appeal of jungle is non-interference in white man's affairs. Downside is shifting past marketing speak to discover "1GBP/s unmetered (30Mb/s international)"
1723341;1507557182;BingoBoingo;spyked: The Anglo Comedian's guild banned humour. For laffs you need to consult foreigners and scabs
1723342;1507558254;spyked;heh. good thing we have them to survive the humourpocalypse. :D ftr, there is ro equivalent for this, under the popular term "glume de autobaza" ("depot jokes")
1723343;1507559949;mod6;mornin', finally caught up on yesterday's megal0g
1723344;1507560580;mircea_popescu;davout yes.
1723345;1507560644;mircea_popescu;spyked silviu gherman could do it, if anyone ever told him to. and by told i mean a certain thing, which brings us right back to "cow's milk will be wasted without management with enough sense to milk it"
1723346;1507560662;mircea_popescu;he's perhaps the best example in this vein, even if not as well known as say MGM cartoon division.
1723347;1507561148;spyked;mircea_popescu, will drop him a line when I have some text to show him (will ofcourse ask for your gracious feedback first)
1723348;1507561219;mircea_popescu;if anyone managed to forgot just what a midget assgirl is, https://static3.mansionglobal.com/production/media/article-images/38367d66455c44d0c18fa3cf29c8e834/large_tay.jpg
1723349;1507561226;spyked;meanwhile, lulz: http://teleschpenker.com/teleschpenker/contact/ diff(displayed addr, linked addr) is one letter (I wonder if this was intentional)
1723350;1507561274;mircea_popescu;teleschpenker lol
1723351;1507561314;mircea_popescu;spyked well, cc for ssafety lol
1723352;1507561394;mircea_popescu;spyked also http://trilema.com/2012/despre-cum-silviu-gherman-ruleaza-si-alte-cacaturi-irelevante-pe-care-le-tot-adaug-eu-in-articole-cit-si-mai-ales-in-titluri-ca-sa-nu-se-poata-citi-nimic-de-catre-nimeni/#comment-84669 ftr.
1723353;1507561903;mircea_popescu;phf it's good that wired uses https to protect its readers. for instance it protected me from reading or archiving it, which i estimate to be a value add.
1723354;1507562086;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the world of brittardation lulz: https://archive.is/bkkm7 >> 'Home Secretary Amber Rudd will say those found guilty of repeatedly viewing terrorist material could face up to 15 years in jail. The new law will extend an existing ban on downloading and possessing the content on a PC to repeatedly watching it through sites like YouTube. Ms Rudd said: “I want to make sure those who view despicable terrorist content online
1723355;1507562086;asciilifeform; including jihadi websites, far-right propaganda and bomb-making instructions face the full force of the law.'
1723356;1507562087;spyked;mircea_popescu, re comment, had no idea this happened. I'll admit I haven't followed him (digested a few, such as the "ma fut in ea de ploaie" piece), so will review.
1723357;1507562136;mircea_popescu;the brits are pretty lulzy with their statist hallucinations aren't they.
1723358;1507562175;mircea_popescu;spyked trilema stands far outside the following abilities of any single man! but yes, we eknow each other for years nao.
1723359;1507562292;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in very other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hIp2p/?raw=true
1723360;1507562310;mircea_popescu;ftr : the "bus depot jokes" are not an equivalent here. they are crass, which is to say employ a certain drastic sort of romanian. but otherwise "balada pizdei" was written by topirceanu, "povestea pulii" by creanga, these are all "intellectuals" ie of the literary canon.
1723361;1507562364;spyked;yeh, this was re. scabs
1723362;1507562390;mircea_popescu;romania never actually had a guild in the sense seen now in the us ; not even during the ceausescu times.
1723363;1507562457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahahaha /29 Subnets ?! what the fguck is wrong with these people. the dead dulap had a c block. the dead other server idem. what the fuck already.
1723364;1507562486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the custom in india appears to be 'death by nickel and dime', 'here's a toilet, if you want paper that's extra'
1723365;1507562488;mircea_popescu;also, hostdime is not on the list.
1723366;1507562503;mircea_popescu;orlando, florida co. and exactly biofilm not dc, as a separate concern.
1723367;1507562533;asciilifeform;it was example of what's come back so far. all liquishit.
1723368;1507562538;mircea_popescu;aha.
1723369;1507562546;asciilifeform;possibly it is not even possible to drill through the biofilm without a wot in.
1723370;1507562571;mircea_popescu;failure is not a possible end result here.
1723371;1507562582;asciilifeform;continued iteration is the result.
1723372;1507562612;mircea_popescu;but for the record, the notion of "a full rack" WITHOUT a c block is laughable.
1723373;1507562632;asciilifeform;is ip space scarce in orcistans ?
1723374;1507562638;mircea_popescu;no.
1723375;1507562656;mircea_popescu;also there's no "global warming" happening in orcistan, and also pedophiles didn't suddely become interested in highschoolers.
1723376;1507562666;asciilifeform;then 'oh hey foreign rube, we can chisel!' ?
1723377;1507562674;mircea_popescu;also there's not a huge crime rate driving "inseguridad", also there's absolutely no market for uber, and so fucking following.
1723378;1507562678;trinque;> indian
1723379;1507562680;trinque;asciilifeform: ^
1723380;1507562680;mircea_popescu;they spend too much time on curated usgardens.
1723381;1507562692;asciilifeform;trinque: subj was indeed an item from india.
1723382;1507562707;trinque;folks like to haggle
1723383;1507562740;asciilifeform;trinque: 'biofilm' however does not haggle
1723384;1507562786;asciilifeform;it offers the crud it got via mothership, for no less a price than what mothership prescribed
1723385;1507562815;mircea_popescu;um.
1723386;1507562834;mircea_popescu;it's biofilm not steel plating.
1723387;1507563079;mircea_popescu;"an architect is someone who wasn't man enough to get an engineering degree, but also not gay enough to go into fashion design."
1723388;1507563111;mircea_popescu;"a boyscout is a kid dressed like an idiot under the orders of an idiot dressed like a child."
1723389;1507563122;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interestingly india co having no advertised u.s. presence is apparently a rarity
1723390;1507563139;asciilifeform;( at least per asciilifeform's detective work thus far )
1723391;1507563153;mircea_popescu;well, if your detective work occurs in the us advertising market...
1723392;1507563178;asciilifeform;lolwat
1723393;1507563203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a trivial case where the observed property would be necessariyl true, what.
1723394;1507563224;mircea_popescu;same discussion as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723312
1723395;1507563224;a111;Logged on 2017-10-09 07:02 mircea_popescu: earlier today i heard from soem guy complaining about "how his job sucks", because he got moved to a new projkect for 3rd time past month, and it's such a waste because now he has to reload whatever.
1723396;1507563305;asciilifeform;yeayea everybody in mircea_popescu's eyes is reddit until proven innocent
1723397;1507563361;mircea_popescu;what'd you want me to say!
1723398;1507563396;asciilifeform;hey at one time asciilifeform was a stereotypical 'HAVE you tried PLUGGING it IN ?!' sysop. and it was most of the time... the correct answer
1723399;1507563439;mircea_popescu;happens to me to this day. drives teh girls up the wall in angry shame, but i dun hold it against them.
1723400;1507563508;mircea_popescu;"a software engineer is the person solving a problem you didn't know you had in a manner you don't understand."
1723401;1507563523;asciilifeform;nah
1723402;1507563527;asciilifeform;...failing to solve...
1723403;1507563531;asciilifeform;is the correct version.
1723404;1507563564;mircea_popescu;quite on point, let me tell you about this "threading" model minigame is currently battling with.
1723405;1507563603;mircea_popescu;so, idiots made "threads" because hey, they read on expert-sex-change that threads are better. the server thereby has a networking thread, an event manager thread, and a db thread.
1723406;1507563615;asciilifeform;ugh sounds like trb
1723407;1507563626;mircea_popescu;a) none of these are respawned if killed ; b) all of these die within the second if any dies ; c) none of these are capable to multispawn under load.
1723408;1507563641;asciilifeform;ahhahaha exactlylike trb
1723409;1507563649;mircea_popescu;so basically they made a thread to "replace" the work the os does with the tcp stack, for instance.
1723410;1507563656;mircea_popescu;which is ~safe, because the os doesn't need help anyway.
1723411;1507563671;asciilifeform;like trb! ( but i'ma not repeat, because at this point everybody knows )
1723412;1507563674;mircea_popescu;i am vaguely amazed they don't have a "special" thread to handle what x does anyway, ie kbd buffering./
1723413;1507563688;asciilifeform;wait that wasn't what was meant by 'events thread' ??
1723414;1507563693;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i just can't grasp wtf is going on in the rakim skulls.
1723415;1507563705;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the main program loop, basically.
1723416;1507563730;asciilifeform;btw what is the subj ? the qt-like 'swiss army knife' lib used by eulora ?
1723417;1507563749;mircea_popescu;well, that and its interaction with legacy code.
1723418;1507563807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is this what the eulora folx spend most of their time on?? fighting with eldrich horror graphics lib?!
1723419;1507563815;mircea_popescu;why would anyone think this is what threads are.
1723420;1507563829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not merely graphics lib. does ~everything except the actual game mechanics.
1723421;1507563840;asciilifeform;aah so 'a qt'
1723422;1507563867;mircea_popescu;but yes, it's roughly the equivalent of "oh, you want to have your monitor display your wedding pics correctly ? guess who's rewriting linux."
1723423;1507563869;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just about.
1723424;1507563935;asciilifeform;re 'why would anyone think to use threads' -- this is not mega-puzzle. naggum described similar situation in the bulldozer essay. imbecile sees an obstacle, reaches for the most obvious available power tool that seems to push aside the obstacle; without giving half a shit what's behind it, woods, swamp, mountain, or where the earth he pushed aside will go, and how it might interact with him later, etc
1723425;1507563972;mircea_popescu;yes, but rather than have an a-b-c threaded thing where if b dies a immediately follows, you might as well have a cleanner and neater abc.
1723426;1507563979;mircea_popescu;and shorter and more maintainable and everything else.
1723427;1507563980;asciilifeform;in this case the obstacle was, likely, 'operation that crashes the proggy'. to imbecile such as shitoshi, the answer is naturally 'put it in infinitely respawning thread'
1723428;1507563987;mircea_popescu;who the fuck approves "threading" to not do threading with.
1723429;1507563991;asciilifeform;thread likewise seems like 'answer' to 'this operation can block'
1723430;1507564005;mircea_popescu;so they didn't have queues where they grew up ?
1723431;1507564010;asciilifeform;see also canonical http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 .
1723432;1507564010;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
1723433;1507564030;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the perceived liberty to tinker!
1723434;1507564043;mircea_popescu;"my twiddling the value knob is how you do science!"
1723435;1507564079;mircea_popescu;evidently the principal value of engineer school is to teach the veal where he hasn't the fucking liberty to tinker -- which is ALMOST EVERYWHERE.
1723436;1507564091;asciilifeform;what's the reason to think any of the culprits had any schooling ?
1723437;1507564104;mircea_popescu;cuz they're euro twerps.
1723438;1507564112;mircea_popescu;it's more likely they had schooling than it is they had food.
1723439;1507564157;mircea_popescu;for maximum lulz : http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/ was at some unclear point and in some unclear capacity to some degree involved!
1723440;1507564193;mircea_popescu;and to preempt the "why are you using this" naive question : it is BY FAR, in its sorry state significantly worse than described and likely worse than couldf be described, STILL and BY VERY FAR way the4 fuck better than anything else out there.
1723441;1507564200;mircea_popescu;look into fucking unity, for one.
1723442;1507564218;asciilifeform;the derp who 'i am an orc and tinker because what else' and 'i am a phd and tinker because i am god and bow to me, peons' converge to very similar result, sorta like the new world and old world vulture are unrelated birds but look quite alike and have same diet and habits
1723443;1507564273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is the domain in question specifically 'public 3d engine libs' ?
1723444;1507564278;mircea_popescu;no.
1723445;1507564291;mircea_popescu;the domain in question is "game libs which i can control"
1723446;1507564307;asciilifeform;'unity' dun look like a 'can control'
1723447;1507564354;mircea_popescu;nothing does, because all the `dumb:http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/ cunts think themselves emancipated now and why sould they take orders!! from anyone!!!1
1723448;1507564368;mircea_popescu;meanwhile why the fuck would i build on the insanity of uncontrolled basis.
1723449;1507564380;mircea_popescu;"oh we updated, deprecating feature x" ? seriously ?
1723450;1507564382;asciilifeform;seems almost like it'd be worth the expense to make own.
1723451;1507564394;asciilifeform;( from my admittedly distant perch )
1723452;1507564402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is exactly what this is. we're making own by eating away the dumbass snail at ant's pace.
1723453;1507564427;mircea_popescu;s.mg is manned by termites, basically.
1723454;1507564434;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is it working as intended, or is the result trb-like ( 'life support patient' ) ?
1723455;1507564457;mircea_popescu;it's working pretty well, at significant engineeer-hours expense.
1723456;1507564565;asciilifeform;the picture mircea_popescu described is imho typical
1723457;1507564580;mircea_popescu;kinda why i took the trouble. it is exactly the picture afaik.
1723458;1507564582;asciilifeform;it is exactly what i found when i cut open prb5.3; and gpg; etc
1723459;1507564609;mircea_popescu;so no -- the "bazaar" does NOT fucking work. not in the slightest bit, not at all whatsoever.
1723460;1507564640;mircea_popescu;and in fact the term is deeply descriptive. the result of the approach is very strictly an open defecation field with some colorful plastic affixed to randomly distributed, rotting wood poles.
1723461;1507564708;mircea_popescu;and the fact that conclaves of idiots and imbeciles, however you label them, wired and wikipedia and etcetera won't gush about how "mp is famous about writing the definitive work on "bazaar" style development" is simply an argument here, and no further consideration.
1723462;1507564741;mircea_popescu;i remember very clearly who i am, and for very good reasons can't recall that schmuck whatever his name was.
1723463;1507564839;mircea_popescu;phf you never commented on how dumb/palatable the `tag:url thing is to your eye.
1723464;1507564859;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/6Snbe << meanwhile, in the land of the homebrew caesar cipher experts and nsa provocateurs : 'A dizzying number of companies offer these sorts of phones all across the world: Phantom, Global Data, Encrochat, Secure Mobile, PublicPGP, PGPClass, Elite, Fortis Iceland PGP, and many more.'
1723465;1507565035;asciilifeform;'In Manupassa’s case, after Dutch authorities seized Ennetcom’s servers they pushed a message out to all of the firm’s phones: if you’re, say, a doctor, lawyer, or other non-criminal user of the devices, please get in touch. No one responded to the message, even though, according to court records, Ennetcom had some 20,000 users.' << sooo precious
1723466;1507565180;mircea_popescu;lol this is proof that users are not jew-eligible for jew-marriage with the "criminology phds" over at "dutch authorities" ?
1723467;1507565195;mircea_popescu;"they said there'd be doctors here!!11"
1723468;1507565382;asciilifeform;reminiscent of the 'private internet access' scamola, but for higher-budget chumpers
1723469;1507565407;mircea_popescu;i don't comprehend what the "seizing of server" did for a pgp phone service.
1723470;1507565422;asciilifeform;'pgp'
1723471;1507565428;mircea_popescu;phuctor got seized and so what ? nobody messaged me to ask if i'm a doctor.
1723472;1507565451;asciilifeform;in so far as i can tell, none of these items have anything to do with even kochian pgp
1723473;1507565466;asciilifeform;they're exactly 'private internet access co'
1723474;1507565500;mircea_popescu;except for the one that does, but a) is too ineptly proud to be here and b) nobody can possibly hear about him through the biofilm before he gets dooglus 'd out of the market.
1723475;1507565562;asciilifeform;i too would like to meet the d00d who , e.g., wrote nonleaking realtime rsa , made a modem around it, made own FG, etc
1723476;1507565575;mircea_popescu;ikr
1723477;1507565687;mircea_popescu;EVEN IF IT WERE LEAKING.
1723478;1507565708;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't mind the dood who hacked off rsa from koch pgp and made a server that just passed encrypted comms. that's it.
1723479;1507565726;mircea_popescu;just this kindergarten level bar, "the server held no plaintext whatsoever".
1723480;1507565734;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's 'hacked off koch' has been sitting right there on www since 2015.
1723481;1507565737;asciilifeform;who wants -- go, do
1723482;1507565775;asciilifeform;350k of txt
1723483;1507565871;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me for what a phone needs a server
1723484;1507565890;mircea_popescu;i expect they use it for routing. nfi.
1723485;1507565901;mircea_popescu;why do we use freenode rather than gossipd ?
1723486;1507565908;asciilifeform;all it needs is a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687276
1723487;1507565908;a111;Logged on 2017-07-20 18:28 asciilifeform: the only quasi-reliable method ( 'udp hole punch' ), used by , e.g., 'skype', STILL requires a 3rd party non-natted box to broker the connection
1723488;1507565938;mircea_popescu;well... you recall the convo. at the least you're using the ephemereal connectors as then discussed.
1723489;1507565945;asciilifeform;( i.e. for the nodes of the network to know at all times of at least 1 member among them who has external ip )
1723490;1507566001;asciilifeform;point being, if you have a net made of gsm modems that can throw packets , you do not need a relay through which 'all calls' go - at all
1723491;1507566022;asciilifeform;all you need is some way to help the nodes to open udp-hole to one another.
1723492;1507566034;mircea_popescu;well, might want to get it anyway, fill hdd with naked pictures of the wives of "dutch authorities"
1723493;1507566045;asciilifeform;this in point of fact is how 'skype' worked prior to microshit having swallowed it.
1723494;1507566258;asciilifeform;( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
1723495;1507566283;*;mircea_popescu recalls the convo!
1723496;1507566286;asciilifeform;aite.
1723497;1507566339;asciilifeform;( imho word 'server' is inherently misleading in this domain; oughta call 'masters' and 'slaves' , the brokers and those relying on'em respectively )
1723498;1507566505;mircea_popescu;"there will be a moscow exhibition of arts by over 100 sculptors and painters of the soviet republics. these were executed over the past five years."
1723499;1507566521;asciilifeform;lolwat
1723500;1507566532;asciilifeform;wunders of mistranslation?
1723501;1507566537;mircea_popescu;yeah
1723502;1507567091;asciilifeform;btw let's do the phone thing, briefly. a 4096b rsa modexp can carry 4096b , i.e. 512byte, of payload sans padding. let's conservatively suppose that padding ( and hash auth, or whatever, and/or lubyzation, etc ) costs half of the payload room. so you get 256 byte per 4096b modexp;
1723503;1507567112;asciilifeform;there are voice compressions that give quite satisfactory speech with ~300 byte/sec bandwidth
1723504;1507567142;asciilifeform;... it follows that a 0.85sec 4096b modexp is all you need for a reasonable 'rsa phone' item.
1723505;1507567193;asciilifeform;( this is quite attainable using the ffa we have ~today~, supposing one allows karatsuba to split 3way on 3 cores of whatever chip you have )
1723506;1507567221;asciilifeform;now if anybody still used phones...
1723507;1507567298;asciilifeform;( and yes a 0.85s item will have to buffer, and it will feel somewhat like talking to lunar base. so wat. )
1723508;1507567393;asciilifeform;a clever buffering scheme would work mircea_popescu-style, by sending otp rngolade during idle pauses in conversation, and thereafter using.
1723509;1507569908;mircea_popescu;there's no practical way to do rsa for realtime comms, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719192
1723510;1507569908;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 20:57 mircea_popescu: not actually usable for eulora as such, is it.
1723511;1507569914;mircea_popescu;so not really anything to do.
1723512;1507569923;asciilifeform;um didja read above ?
1723513;1507569940;mircea_popescu;sure.
1723514;1507569959;asciilifeform;so what's 'no practical' ?
1723515;1507569975;mircea_popescu;projection is a function of EXTANT items and ONLY extant items. projections based on projections are called global warming science.
1723516;1507569985;asciilifeform;above based on extant item.
1723517;1507569989;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1723518;1507570138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's missing from your pov ?
1723519;1507570182;mircea_popescu;the rsatron.
1723520;1507571562;asciilifeform;modexp ~= rsatron ( there is also keygen, but from pov of gedankenexperiment re 'what bandwidth?' you dun need it )
1723521;1507571780;asciilifeform;i'd concur with mircea_popescu that one ought not connect ffa to, e.g., icbm, until it comes with proofs for all of the components, etc. -- but we do have a working modexp, from which can extrapolate pessimal speed ( it will get faster, but let's assume for said calculation that it will not )
1723522;1507571805;mircea_popescu;yeah well. there's no ~= in this arithmetic. if rsatron has been in production for a while and functioning correctly we can revisit these.
1723523;1507571824;asciilifeform;how's it ever to 'in production' if mircea_popescu spits 'until in production' , lol
1723524;1507572020;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1723525;1507572024;trinque;simultaneously signaling "this is a prototype, will sever your limbs and fuck your wife" and "pls to use" aren't you?
1723526;1507572042;trinque;there was a whole thing about pastebin snippets being fine because not ready for vpatch
1723527;1507572058;asciilifeform;trinque: i won't recommend to take current ffa and put in battlefield . but proposed to calculate a bandwidth assuming current degree of ughslow
1723528;1507572065;asciilifeform;strictly this.
1723529;1507572074;mircea_popescu;no such thing is possible, for lack of... the item.
1723530;1507572103;mircea_popescu;quantifying "a single aspect" of "how stewardess would look in airplane i've not yet bought" is no better than quantifying any other / all of them.
1723531;1507572129;asciilifeform;i dun get why mircea_popescu equates the present situation with a complete lack of the item
1723532;1507572153;mircea_popescu;because it's not had a significant history in production yet, which is what "item exists" means for the needs of future projection.
1723533;1507572166;asciilifeform;what'd qualify as 'in production' ?
1723534;1507572168;mircea_popescu;in fact, as trinque aptly points out, it's not even v'd yet, let alone reviewed yet, and so following.
1723535;1507572185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that it's used by at least someone somewhere for a while. like eg, lobbes auction bot is in production.
1723536;1507572199;mircea_popescu;trinque 's payment thing will have been in production soonish.
1723537;1507572201;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1723538;1507572211;asciilifeform;i wouldn't disagree if thread were re ~using~. but re calculating speed ?!
1723539;1507572223;mircea_popescu;can not calculate anything on the basis of inexistent items.
1723540;1507572597;asciilifeform;the supposition that ideally-correct ffa could possibly run slower than the current one (supposing these 2 differ) i see as quite fantastic.
1723541;1507572628;mircea_popescu;and the people with the global warming see as quite fantastic all sorts of other theoretical contradictions of their theoretical models.
1723542;1507572640;mircea_popescu;the problem with theoretical models based on projecting projections is that they're not even wrong.
1723543;1507572655;*;asciilifeform straps on gask mask
1723544;1507573130;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723353 << hur, well, i appreciated Beos at the time, it is sad to see now the kind of jokers worked on it then `everything-is-made-of-shit
1723545;1507573130;a111;Logged on 2017-10-09 15:11 mircea_popescu: phf it's good that wired uses https to protect its readers. for instance it protected me from reading or archiving it, which i estimate to be a value add.
1723546;1507573176;asciilifeform;phf: it was imho nifty. but ditching the 'own hardware, x86 can fuck itself' thing was , i suspect, the fatal mistake
1723547;1507573188;asciilifeform;just as similar move doomed crapple
1723548;1507573263;asciilifeform;microshit-intel collusion killed os/2 already when be opened -- why did be suppose it would be exempt ?
1723549;1507573273;asciilifeform;from same death
1723550;1507573402;phf;i suppose the article indirectly answers, presents the kind of mindset
1723551;1507573563;phf;the guy incidentally went through a bunch of interesting but failed enterprises. e.g. he worked on palm one on the downswing, later was hired as a high profile consultant by nokia, told them to ditch symbian and replace it with android.
1723552;1507573616;phf;in completely unrelated lulz i found v0.01 of btcbase http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Drqc8/?raw=true
1723553;1507573624;asciilifeform;suggests that 'be' was interesting in spite of, rather than because of, him
1723554;1507573642;asciilifeform;phf: lol!
1723555;1507573666;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy
1723556;1507573785;phf;still works!
1723557;1507573851;mircea_popescu;agaga nb.
1723558;1507574101;asciilifeform;if we're doing oldies... :
1723559;1507574141;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c9Wlf/?raw=true << orig. phuctor.  http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UYgmR/?raw=true << werker of same
1723560;1507574249;phf;asciilifeform: i think i have a C version of worker somewhere, that you posted when you were having issues with sqlite
1723561;1507574275;asciilifeform;phf: i dun think i ever posted the modern ( bernsteinian ) one.
1723562;1507574293;phf;yeah, i think that c version predates bernstein
1723563;1507574350;asciilifeform;anyway the above was written in a few hrs. and it is not difficult to see why thrown out.
1723564;1507574463;asciilifeform;but note that it does not in principle differ from the version that found the first pops.
1723565;1507574713;asciilifeform;phf: the bernsteinian 'werker' is also c proggy. ( phuctor , in all 4 versions to date, consisted of 2 pieces, running wholly separately )
1723566;1507574786;*;phf nods
1723567;1507578581;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/why-did-the-chicken-cross-the-road/ << Trilema - Why did the chicken cross the road ?
1723568;1507579943;asciilifeform;mega-piece ^
1723569;1507580116;mod6;wd
1723570;1507581710;mircea_popescu;ah, you enjoyed ?
1723571;1507581719;mircea_popescu;glad to hear, was thinking it's getting tedious after a while.
1723572;1507582452;mod6;i liked, ya
1723573;1507582595;mircea_popescu;the problem with these is that you can in principle keep going forever.
1723574;1507583053;hanbot;mircea_popescu it makes a neat catalogue for picking something to read. like every other article, i suppose, but in a different format. ;)
1723575;1507583065;mircea_popescu;ha!
1723576;1507585414;mod6;mircea_popescu: aha, but for now, this one suffices.
1723577;1507586883;BingoBoingo;Lol @Brauchian Chicken/road/God unity, as the lensgrinder intended
1723578;1507588949;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/p5TKr/?raw=true
1723579;1507588972;asciilifeform;^ constant spacetime bitness finder , similar to apeloyee's
1723580;1507589073;asciilifeform;( similar in that it does the thing described in the pseudo - https://archive.is/2zA45 )
1723581;1507590884;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1723582;1507590891;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4762.86, vol: 12873.57549092 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4773.1, vol: 48332.59242496 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4249.0422, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4774.4, vol: 5230.11416146 | Volume-weighted last average: 4771.21810263
1723583;1507599901;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : so us rail gauge is 1435 mm. why ? because the first us rail was built by english immigrants, who kept to the english style. but why was the english style 1435 mm ? because rail started as (horse drawn) trams, and that was the gauge they used. but why ? because when they made trams they just used the old horse carriage gauge, by reusing the same tools. but why did carriages use 1435 mm gauge ? because if they
1723584;1507599902;mircea_popescu;used anything there was a significant chance to break a wheel in the road, as all the trails were built by 1435 mm wheels. but why were they ? because when the romans originally landed, they used 1435 mm wide wheelbases, which they had originally specified because it is what two average horses asses cover.
1723585;1507599911;mircea_popescu;no such thing as a temporary spec!
1723586;1507600109;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this too was a 1980s txt
1723587;1507600688;mircea_popescu;yup.
1723588;1507600783;mircea_popescu;the item goes on to point out that since SRBs had to go on rail which went through a tunnel, notwithstanding space shuttle engineers wanted wider boosters originally, the specs of the space shuttle was established millenia prior by the size of a horse's ass.
1723589;1507601513;asciilifeform;neglects, however, to mention wider ru gauge.
1723590;1507601530;mircea_popescu;well... no romans in russia.
1723591;1507601556;asciilifeform;not in india either, but stuck with brittardation
1723592;1507601571;mircea_popescu;like teh us.
1723593;1507601623;asciilifeform;nazis iirc almost made up their minds to build 'ideal' ( iirc 3 metres even ) rail gauge, but didn't live nearly long enuff.
1723594;1507601642;mircea_popescu;kinda how this works.
1723595;1507601783;asciilifeform;oh speaking of which, what mains voltage in cr?
1723596;1507601816;mircea_popescu;120.
1723597;1507601843;asciilifeform;any idea why?
1723598;1507601874;mircea_popescu;notrly. possibly the gensets they bought back when they were building their hydro power ?
1723599;1507601905;asciilifeform;afaik all of south amer is 220
1723600;1507601918;mircea_popescu;this is teh carribean tho
1723601;1507601925;asciilifeform;wellyes
1723602;1507606300;BingoBoingo;From the mines https://i.redditmedia.com/OErCGxBHNpxGR-pSLf7UnPTrTuFOLMSLwc_9-tJnaNA.jpg?w=620&s=c800920ec2cf3364ea5eebe70365b861
1723603;1507612149;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/09/twin-charged-elise-is-a-dreidel-on-her-private-racetrack/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Twin-charged Elise is a Dreidel on her private racetrack.
1723604;1507612936;pete_dushenski;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/M8K3v/?raw=true << jurov (cc mod6, ben_vulpes)
1723605;1507613039;pete_dushenski;199.204.187.186 << newest trb infrastructure node also finally synced up this week. took better part of a month but "shadchan" is now online and eager to serve.
1723606;1507614594;BingoBoingo;Congrats pete_dushenski
1723607;1507614603;BingoBoingo;Also congrats on your new joint venture
1723608;1507614941;pete_dushenski;merci merci
1723609;1507615074;mircea_popescu;and in other medicaids, http://78.media.tumblr.com/a8cdbe2386588041da83a84cff0bba71/tumblr_nq45q5bfes1rzx2hho4_1280.jpg
1723610;1507619754;jurov;pete_dushenski: tyvm!
1723611;1507623111;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.00835605 1LEN3nuapQ1UBbxTvRZrsTMjUrJ1BU6RGR
1723612;1507623115;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aC964/?raw=true
1723613;1507623562;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.01051304 1PYXbgjhSinKLHZKc3PdVpUNBsuitowLPk
1723614;1507623565;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QXdU2/?raw=true
1723615;1507626169;mircea_popescu;!!up asciilifeform_
1723616;1507626170;deedbot;asciilifeform_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1723617;1507629814;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-10#1723586 << 1980s txt?
1723618;1507629814;a111;Logged on 2017-10-10 01:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this too was a 1980s txt
1723619;1507644841;asciilifeform;-SaslServ- asciilifeform_!~asciilife@unaffiliated/asciilifeform has just authenticated as you (asciilifeform)  << ahahahahaha
1723620;1507644849;asciilifeform;wat.
1723621;1507644910;asciilifeform;^ not asciilifeform's box.
1723622;1507645962;mod6;o.O
1723623;1507646150;mod6;pete_dushenski: re qntra shares, thx!
1723624;1507646164;mod6;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/M8K3v/?raw=true << I'll add this to the list.
1723625;1507646201;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-10#1723605 << this. whoops.
1723626;1507646201;a111;Logged on 2017-10-10 05:23 pete_dushenski: 199.204.187.186 << newest trb infrastructure node also finally synced up this week. took better part of a month but "shadchan" is now online and eager to serve.
1723627;1507646414;mircea_popescu;phf you know, bbs matter
1723628;1507646587;*;asciilifeform brb
1723629;1507647522;mircea_popescu;and in other winter prep, http://78.media.tumblr.com/50ff399180bedefa5d9a7bdf14dd8520/tumblr_midkqdqdif1r7w8xxo1_500.jpg
1723630;1507649757;asciilifeform;!!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/cherry_pop.txt
1723631;1507649836;asciilifeform;hey trinque -- deedbot b0rk3d ?
1723632;1507649879;*;asciilifeform brb
1723633;1507649986;mircea_popescu;so in other lulz, i'm buying some 10k+ karma reddit accounts ; who wants some for future republican lulz ? shinohai ? BingoBoingo ?
1723634;1507650041;trinque;asciilifeform: ate it, just said nothing; I'll look at why when I get a sec.
1723635;1507650191;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform employed i can see ; doing business ? people are allowed to hire whores.
1723636;1507650243;mircea_popescu;also leaving out the "we will route your emails through outlook.com just in case nsa wants to not explain how it took a peek" lulz seems inappropriate.
1723637;1507650573;asciilifeform;holy shit
1723638;1507650577;asciilifeform;dulap is up
1723639;1507650586;asciilifeform;that was what logged it...
1723640;1507650599;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1723641;1507650625;mircea_popescu;and the grand utility of sasl logins grows ever more evident.
1723642;1507650762;asciilifeform;they... plugged it back in.
1723643;1507650837;trinque;new disks? haw
1723644;1507650857;mircea_popescu;lmao
1723645;1507651806;asciilifeform;dafuq am i to do with that box nao
1723646;1507651825;asciilifeform;theoretically anything at all can be expected from it, e.g. you place shop order and next minute it's gone
1723647;1507651900;mircea_popescu;well, at least don't point phuctor.com to it.
1723648;1507651912;mircea_popescu;what can you do, this happens all the time on the interwebs, scammer copies site.
1723649;1507651921;asciilifeform;y'mean *.nosuchlabs.com
1723650;1507651930;mircea_popescu;it's why we need usg to protect us!!!1
1723651;1507651931;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1723652;1507651949;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wanna rerout to your www ? gimme an ip
1723653;1507651987;mircea_popescu;mine might be a little confusing, but sure, can use 91.218.246.33
1723654;1507651994;asciilifeform;aite, worx
1723655;1507652038;asciilifeform;lulzily phuctor per se seems unmolested.
1723656;1507652079;asciilifeform;entirely possible that they plugged it in, and outlookdotcoming like madmen to ask mircea_popescu why not paid tab
1723657;1507652124;mircea_popescu;maybe someone should make a post about why cherry servers is a piece of shit.
1723658;1507652202;mircea_popescu;so they can you know, change name yet again and so on.
1723659;1507652211;asciilifeform;oh lol what was it before
1723660;1507652286;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was balticservers back when i got dulap originally.
1723661;1507652289;*;asciilifeform set dns to 91.218.246.33 .
1723662;1507652297;mircea_popescu;then switched to uab/cherry servers
1723663;1507652313;asciilifeform;anyidea why switcheroo..?
1723664;1507652332;mircea_popescu;i thought just usual "Branding" idiocy at the time. but a novel theory just presented itself.
1723665;1507652499;asciilifeform;somehow this is even moar wtf than if the box simply walked away
1723666;1507652507;asciilifeform;why put it back.
1723667;1507653085;shinohai;tfw it takes a 10-person team to generate a 4 line text file http://archive.is/o5V5R
1723668;1507653158;asciilifeform;waat
1723669;1507653284;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/ << Trilema - Friday night, or Las Moiras revisited.
1723670;1507653284;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-sexy-problem-formalized/ << Trilema - The sexy problem, formalized
1723671;1507653284;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/ballad/ << Trilema - Ballad...
1723672;1507653284;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/republican-flight-manual/ << Trilema - Republican Flight Manual
1723673;1507653284;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/why-did-the-chicken-cross-the-road/ << Trilema - Why did the chicken cross the road ?
1723674;1507653326;mod6;that the rss feed?
1723675;1507653754;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: lulz venues always appreciated
1723676;1507653916;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo kk.
1723677;1507653952;mircea_popescu;in other funbagz, http://78.media.tumblr.com/18e62b1a7222627c536ab14ff01e5d4a/tumblr_ouh1a7uHMw1sidmvao1_1280.jpg
1723678;1507653970;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> why put it back. << For the imagined value of pretending "We were going above and beyond for valued customer"
1723679;1507653986;asciilifeform;'customer' is somebody who subscribes.
1723680;1507654046;BingoBoingo;But who is customer really?
1723681;1507654081;mircea_popescu;heh
1723682;1507654660;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1723683;1507654667;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4819.0, vol: 13475.51876157 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4872.0, vol: 53451.481829 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4282.8318, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4830.6, vol: 6075.64187789 | Volume-weighted last average: 4858.77124505
1723684;1507655897;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-10#1723633 << i already, um, got one of those. what's it good for, mircea_popescu ?
1723685;1507655897;a111;Logged on 2017-10-10 15:39 mircea_popescu: so in other lulz, i'm buying some 10k+ karma reddit accounts ; who wants some for future republican lulz ? shinohai ? BingoBoingo ?
1723686;1507655911;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1723687;1507655917;asciilifeform;me neither!
1723688;1507655944;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo has a history of poking fun at the tards, so he's more than welcome.
1723689;1507655983;shinohai;They may come in handy for the useful art of trolling one day!
1723690;1507655998;BingoBoingo;Eh, really they just let you throw Xylene on the dumpster fire
1723691;1507656006;asciilifeform;personally i'd rather troll the ants in my yard with magnifying loupe
1723692;1507656022;mircea_popescu;which reminds me... brb
1723693;1507656029;BingoBoingo;It's more fun when you splash anthill with Xylene first
1723694;1507656087;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: speaking of which, gotta wonder why mr.100kusdwiretopinoy hero didn't use the magic of fossil fuel
1723695;1507656110;asciilifeform;( either simply full petrol truck, or fancier, with pressure washer )
1723696;1507656178;*;mircea_popescu got a two inch wasp mounted as part of permanent wax museum yest. 5 mm worth of stinger, this bitch had, and the weirdest antennae.
1723697;1507656191;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fuel-air bombs still the #1 bomb.
1723698;1507656208;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not even need anything so fancy as explosive disperse
1723699;1507656234;asciilifeform;hose suffices.
1723700;1507656267;trinque;!!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/cherry_pop.txt
1723701;1507656279;asciilifeform;'death ain't instructive, mutilation is instructive' (tm)(r) al 'uncle al' schwarz
1723702;1507656411;asciilifeform;don't bother, trinque , i'ma have to amend the thing later anyway
1723703;1507656438;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu pointed out, and who knows what else, story apparently not quite over
1723704;1507656443;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Likely it's a cultural thing. His mind had been colonized by Hollywood harm reduction propaganda
1723705;1507656459;trinque;k
1723706;1507656516;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can't wait for 'pressurewashercontrol!111' advocates.
1723707;1507656522;asciilifeform;'ban high capacity petrol tanks!'
1723708;1507656735;asciilifeform;typical petrol truck in usa holds 30-35,000 litres.
1723709;1507656954;asciilifeform;!~calc 30e3 * 34.2e6
1723710;1507656955;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 30e3 * 34.2e6 = 1026000000000
1723711;1507657131;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in boys will be girls... http://78.media.tumblr.com/25bcbef85d264c50dffef4b04866ee4a/tumblr_o41wnmpCse1uera2no2_1280.jpg
1723712;1507657212;asciilifeform;lol i thought we'd get the wasp mircea_popescu
1723713;1507657214;asciilifeform;can haz wasp ?
1723714;1507657223;mircea_popescu;aite ima order it shot.
1723715;1507657236;*;asciilifeform pictures wasp grimly led to the firing squad
1723716;1507657249;asciilifeform;smoking very small cig etc
1723717;1507657373;asciilifeform;upstack -- interestingly, qntra still dead
1723718;1507657392;asciilifeform;( or did BingoBoingo re-dns it ? )
1723719;1507657449;shinohai;The latest in flotation devices: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/flotation.jpg
1723720;1507657472;asciilifeform;lol elephantiasis?
1723721;1507658526;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/wasp-shot.jpg
1723722;1507658539;asciilifeform;ooh neato
1723723;1507658553;mircea_popescu;those antennae are the wow of all time.
1723724;1507658579;asciilifeform;straight out of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687064 film
1723725;1507658579;a111;Logged on 2017-07-20 01:13 asciilifeform: re space wasps << mircea_popescu: ever see 'Les Maîtres du temps' (animated) ?
1723726;1507658586;mircea_popescu;guess so huh
1723727;1507658595;mircea_popescu;biodiversidad, i tell you. the shit they got here...
1723728;1507658614;mircea_popescu;there's these hydrocephalic ants, i kid you not, peasized heads atop tiny ant bodies
1723729;1507658641;asciilifeform;we have a different wasp here, no more than half of this size, but one time i personally witnesses the seemingly impossible -- it rose up after stomped on with boot, and flew as if nothing happened
1723730;1507658654;mircea_popescu;oya. if it's muddy or anything it'll survive
1723731;1507658669;mircea_popescu;this one actually got killed by 98% alcohol flood. book couldn't crush it.
1723732;1507658697;asciilifeform;quite impressive -- it is as if man survived garbage truck rolling over him
1723733;1507658702;mircea_popescu;quite.
1723734;1507658711;mircea_popescu;but then again, "horse will splash"
1723735;1507658717;asciilifeform;aha.
1723736;1507659283;BingoBoingo;In other zionists https://archive.is/Ly3SK
1723737;1507661492;shinohai;What's your secret? PANTSUIT POWER!!!! http://archive.is/0OB1E
1723738;1507665552;mircea_popescu;!!invoice danielpbarron 0.0375 http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-10.log.html#t19:54:45
1723739;1507665552;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-10-10 19:54:45: <danielpbarron> what's the procedure for that? you create invoice and i respond?
1723740;1507665556;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mfhbr/?raw=true
1723741;1507667756;BingoBoingo;So, California wine country is burning and I am disappoint that no one is making a connection between that and antifa terrorism against the percieved white bourgeoisie "exploiting" brown labor
1723742;1507670182;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it dun burn regularly ?
1723743;1507670236;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: California regularly burns, but a good percent of the time homo sapien malefactor is fingered as acute reason for the when and how of burning
1723744;1507670259;asciilifeform;this is exactly the winblowz thing tho
1723745;1507670294;asciilifeform;without usg stacking the kindling -- no fire.
1723746;1507670301;asciilifeform;dun matter who throws cig where.
1723747;1507670307;BingoBoingo;Yes, US left coast 1 conventions are like dust. Gets everywhere.
1723748;1507671238;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo super terrific happy hour!
1723749;1507671244;BingoBoingo;lol
1723750;1507671288;BingoBoingo;For definitions of happy hour that involve coffee rather than more traditional happy hour beverages
1723751;1507671412;mircea_popescu;aha
1723752;1507671544;BingoBoingo;Doing it that way is super for the effort
1723753;1507671936;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/totally-not-flooding-sir/ << Trilema - Totally not flooding, sir
1723754;1507671936;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/totally-not-flooding-sir/ << Trilema - Totally not flooding, sir
1723755;1507672061;BingoBoingo;In other "why was this a suprise": The Hong Kong and China Gas Company Limited (Towngas) has a large footprint in the Azn telecom market
1723756;1507672078;trinque;huh, dupes?
1723757;1507673439;mircea_popescu;trinque i very much dun think so. not in the feed atm, and never saw such before.
1723758;1507673448;trinque;nah on the bot's end
1723759;1507673464;trinque;feeds module is a pyturd and it's having a hell of a time on the new server for yet mysterious reasons.
1723760;1507673484;trinque;thing just needs ripped out. all the stuff wrote in own lisp code sat down on the new box without a peep.
1723761;1507673729;deedbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-10#1723611 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aCX39/?raw=true
1723762;1507673736;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^
1723763;1507673760;mircea_popescu;to bring coal to the forest fire : any way you can think of to make micropayments instant ?
1723764;1507673793;mircea_popescu;most processors want to see a txn within 15 mins, and most users have no idea they can set that interval to more sane values.\
1723765;1507673802;trinque;other party just needs to have an account.
1723766;1507673871;trinque;if doing it on chain, we're doing the hot wallet thing and I'm sitting around waiting to lose coin
1723767;1507673879;trinque;I don't ever let keys touch an internet connected box
1723768;1507673906;mircea_popescu;suppose i'm buying 30 bux worth of dildos online. me : "do you take btc ?" "sure". turns out it's via mycelium/bitpay/coinbase, and the above applies.
1723769;1507673916;mircea_popescu;i gotta then "hey, i paid, it was not credited, here's the details" bla bla.
1723770;1507674126;trinque;trb wallet is a piece of shit. I have yet to build a full replacement, and that's going to take a while.
1723771;1507674156;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1723772;1507674203;trinque;now, I do have subscriptions planned for the bot.
1723773;1507674217;mircea_popescu;i like that you merge txn into one, btw.
1723774;1507674219;trinque;both to offer subscriptions myself and other registered folks.
1723775;1507674223;trinque;yeah, might as well save fee
1723776;1507674287;trinque;could see "hosted trb node with levers attached to bot" as a subscribable service.
1723777;1507674294;trinque;just gonna take some dev.
1723778;1507674305;mircea_popescu;there's a humongo market here.
1723779;1507674317;mircea_popescu;but exactly as you say. first, gotta do.
1723780;1507675404;BingoBoingo;trinque: Are your offering super, mega, ultra, or cheapest effort?
1723781;1507675427;trinque;define pls
1723782;1507675461;BingoBoingo;working on decoding that myself, found said adjectives attached to effort in the wilds
1723783;1507675608;*;trinque built first an armored vault.
1723784;1507675687;trinque;neither network nor hateful USB thieves touch it. human operator enters txn details; txn leave signed via qr code.
1723785;1507675838;mircea_popescu;this is well.
1723786;1507675871;mircea_popescu;trinque we're just poking fun at hong-kong style english names. super-extra-effort-pizzeria
1723787;1507675872;trinque;no reason there can't also be amenities aside the vault.
1723788;1507675898;trinque;lol, oh. had my srsbsns switch flipped.
1723789;1507675914;mircea_popescu;he's been digging through dc marketz.
1723790;1507675921;mircea_popescu;no srs bzns possibru
1723791;1507676012;*;asciilifeform so far grunting fruitlessly through dc hunt
1723792;1507676042;asciilifeform;gotta be the most frustrating item i've yet attempted here. like climbing a vertical glass wall greased with vaseline.
1723793;1507676076;mircea_popescu;at least no small tentacles angled upwards.
1723794;1507676085;BingoBoingo;In disqualified entries http://www.gerrys.net/
1723795;1507676107;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i have enough disqualifieds i can eat them with my arse
1723796;1507676131;mircea_popescu;that... didn't come out right.
1723797;1507676164;*;trinque snorts
1723798;1507676174;asciilifeform;xоть жопой ешь in the orig
1723799;1507676184;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, Gerrys by the grace of Allah advertises its... US General Services Administration approval...
1723800;1507676218;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that's nuffin, i got one that claimed to be 'the only dc accredited to maximal nsa level' or somesuch
1723801;1507676236;asciilifeform;'assurance level 6' or what was it.
1723802;1507676240;BingoBoingo;But did they do it by the grace of Allah?
1723803;1507676269;asciilifeform;nfi, the grace of marx & engels for all iknow.
1723804;1507676585;asciilifeform;!!up ccmtacks
1723805;1507676585;deedbot;ccmtacks voiced for 30 minutes.
1723806;1507676597;asciilifeform;what's a ccmtacks ?
1723807;1507676614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some kid.
1723808;1507676881;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1723809;1507676886;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4771.03, vol: 11240.26276269 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4790.2, vol: 40972.92919445 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4282.8318, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4790.2, vol: 5483.59331143 | Volume-weighted last average: 4786.46537534
1723810;1507676896;mircea_popescu;is this crashing yet ?
1723811;1507677028;BingoBoingo;Withing crashing margin of error for super effort
1723812;1507677077;mircea_popescu;supperfart.
1723813;1507677227;shinohai;I glanced at my screen and read "cumtacks"
1723814;1507677490;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper
1723815;1507677490;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1723816;1507677515;asciilifeform;mega-endurance champ
1723817;1507677528;asciilifeform;california .
1723818;1507677531;mircea_popescu;iirc that's how these go.
1723819;1507678387;ccmtacks;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/re98E/?raw=true
1723820;1507678390;deedbot;A213A38BE8660D713C0A69B3B9EB9E5F4DE45E7A registered as ccmtacks.
1723821;1507678510;asciilifeform;!!rate ccmtacks 1 new blood
1723822;1507678512;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXtpB/?raw=true
1723823;1507678534;asciilifeform;!!v 0ECFB3CA7D420EBA00FBBCB5C2B91D01F28213936B5BD1F305CD34171B55D88A
1723824;1507678534;deedbot;asciilifeform rated ccmtacks 1 << new blood
1723825;1507678573;asciilifeform;ccmtacks: you should be able to !!up yerself nao
1723826;1507680033;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Guess who is responsive! http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/85ktj/?raw=true
1723827;1507680344;asciilifeform;ccmtacks: if you don't speak in next few hrs, i'll unrate
1723828;1507680373;asciilifeform;i personally don't need silent remoras for anything.
1723829;1507680570;ccmtacks;sorry asciilifeform, I'm actually waiting for mircea_popescu to get back, but it seems that he fell asleep
1723830;1507680619;asciilifeform;can speak now, and he'll read the log & maybe answer
1723831;1507680632;BingoBoingo;ccmtacks: Still, it does not hurt to be friendly to the other locals while you wait
1723832;1507680695;ccmtacks;BingoBoingo, I totally agree. I firstly tried to figure out how all of this works, that is why I've been silent
1723833;1507680707;ccmtacks;and it won't happen again
1723834;1507680718;BingoBoingo;ccmtacks: Well firstly, Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1723835;1507681869;mod6;seems like a hockey guy
1723836;1507684534;shinohai;In other not news: http://archive.is/Vd13T
1723837;1507685485;mircea_popescu;sup
1723838;1507685489;mircea_popescu;o hey
1723839;1507685499;mircea_popescu;!!key ccmtacks
1723840;1507685501;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/A213A38BE8660D713C0A69B3B9EB9E5F4DE45E7A.asc
1723841;1507685640;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ftr, 5-6-7 kva per rack is about standard.
1723842;1507687045;danielpbarron;!!received-invoices
1723843;1507687048;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/N5upo/?raw=true
1723844;1507687182;danielpbarron;!!pay-invoice mircea_popescu 1
1723845;1507687186;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i1JVS/?raw=true
1723846;1507687236;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun
1723847;1507687534;danielpbarron;!!v 6B7659093868C8FC00855E4622B39D8CBE2E55CFBB9E587D71D3050B67926807
1723848;1507687537;deedbot;danielpbarron paid mircea_popescu invoice 1
1723849;1507688214;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.073 15uPqrWYuG3X6489aA1R3Fwcpm47g8qWse
1723850;1507688218;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/C9pLE/?raw=true
1723851;1507688527;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah, cool. I followed up with a request for quotes on 1 and 3 cabinets anyways.
1723852;1507689657;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1723849 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VTaOy/?raw=true
1723853;1507689709;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1723854;1507689720;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xB51J/?raw=true
1723855;1507689784;trinque;that's about to be updated with a fee amount
1723856;1507689792;mircea_popescu;a
1723857;1507689862;trinque;all done
1723858;1507690351;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1723859;1507690354;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/R3C96/?raw=true
1723860;1507690513;mircea_popescu;this shit's great.
1723861;1507690517;mircea_popescu;nice work trinque !
1723862;1507690524;trinque;very glad ya like it.
1723863;1507690535;trinque;not done, but there's a foundation
1723864;1507690542;mircea_popescu;absolutely.
1723865;1507692151;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/i8tJz/?raw=true
1723866;1507693281;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1723867;1507693282;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 489300 | Current Difficulty: 1.123863285132E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 489887 | Next Difficulty In: 587 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 56 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1723868;1507693293;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market al --currency rmb
1723869;1507693294;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all'
1723870;1507693316;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb
1723871;1507693323;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
1723872;1507700008;BingoBoingo;So, replies finally coming in from the Pinoys, the Hong Kongs, and a lone Thai outfit that outsources their email to wix.com
1723873;1507700180;BingoBoingo;And the HK business day starts at 4 am UTC
1723874;1507700201;BingoBoingo;As always reading email headers is informative
1723875;1507700297;mircea_popescu;ahaha build your free site, srlsy ?
1723876;1507700303;BingoBoingo;And corporate overlaps can be lulzy http://igarment.net/
1723877;1507700323;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously.
1723878;1507700525;BingoBoingo;And now that there are replies, plural for a change; the responses are bifurcating. There is "more information on your company pls" and then there is "more information on your requirments pls"
1723879;1507700618;BingoBoingo;Numbers and pricing information however are still elusive.
1723880;1507726974;shinohai;LOL davout ` we all have our "~/niggers.txt" `
1723881;1507727026;davout;yeah, i couldn't resist
1723882;1507727055;shinohai;^______________^
1723883;1507727495;shinohai;!#s amlbitcoin
1723884;1507727495;a111;0 results for "amlbitcoin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=amlbitcoin
1723885;1507727510;shinohai;http://archive.is/QnHtB   <<<< hilarious
1723886;1507727545;shinohai;"Fuck guys, were on nsa watchlist, can't use amlbitcoin" "Oh noes, WHAT THE FUCK WE GONNA DO?!?!"
1723887;1507729232;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is >> 502 Bad Gateway
1723888;1507729327;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in world of koch, https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/735840/11066f48be7a5f92 << >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c1NUm/?raw=true
1723889;1507729332;asciilifeform;'Koch then moved into Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC), which he discussed at some length. RSA, he said, is not likely to stay secure for much longer without really large keys. Support for 4096-bit RSA keys has been in GnuPG for some time, but Koch contends that real security will require 16Kb keys; that makes keys, fingerprints, and signatures all unusably long, particularly for embedded devices and hardware security modules (HSMs)
1723890;1507729332;asciilifeform;.' << didjaknow!
1723891;1507729353;asciilifeform;'So instead he's moving toward ECC ciphers, which are well-researched — more so than RSA, according to Koch. '
1723892;1507729384;asciilifeform;'...the timings from the RSA HSM showed that a doubling of the key length increased the time required to sign nearly six-fold, and the time for verification even more. The timings from the Ed25519 HSM were agreeably small (all sub-50ms).' << this is precious
1723893;1507729414;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/sQ39n/?raw=true
1723894;1507729414;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1723895;1507729462;asciilifeform;and naturally no koch speech is complete without a 'the web of trust, he feels, is inherently broken. It is only explicable to geeks, and not to all of them, it publishes a global social graph, because signatures on keys imply physical meetings on known dates, and it doesn't scale.'
1723896;1507729903;BingoBoingo;Awe, his poor tired rectum mouth
1723897;1507731687;phf;to be fair gnupg's wot and the corresponding mechanisms are broken. that's where the whole "trusted key" and such nonsense come from
1723898;1507731872;mircea_popescu;tru.
1723899;1507731941;phf;but at the same time it's handy strawman: ~web of trust~ is broken, because our take on it is a piece of shit. i thought that's some pantsuit pattern discussed elsewhere
1723900;1507732372;asciilifeform;it's the universal pattern. 1 of the half dozen or so basic hammers in their toolkit, along with 'unhappeneding', 'taiwaning', etc
1723901;1507732416;mircea_popescu;o ya.
1723902;1507732689;phf;``Google shuts YouTube channel implicated in Kremlin political propaganda ops (techcrunch.com)'' ``although the videos did not gain significant traction on YouTube, according to The Daily Beast, which said they had only garnered “hundreds” of views prior to the channel being closed''
1723903;1507732711;mircea_popescu;wait, altrough is a tag ?
1723904;1507732743;phf;oh, man, i've been typing TeX yesterday, so the quotes got stuck
1723905;1507732748;mircea_popescu;ehehe
1723906;1507733079;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1723907;1507733090;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4779.18, vol: 11788.21139918 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4778.2, vol: 39777.25429663 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4274.3844, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4780.3, vol: 4840.84169001 | Volume-weighted last average: 4778.58503167
1723908;1507733096;mircea_popescu;!~calc 100 / 4778.58503167
1723909;1507733097;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 100 / 4778.58503167 = 0.02092669678100348
1723910;1507733128;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.02092669 1E6MZ18LocVz4bLVTroKdpC9HTjzmiGaKe
1723911;1507733131;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LLtaE/?raw=true
1723912;1507733189;phf;neat
1723913;1507733215;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.02092825 1134zUnfvDRKrmkALRuUuseJfzMKZBYzgv
1723914;1507733218;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o2frw/?raw=true
1723915;1507734334;mircea_popescu;and in fresh lulz from the mines, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9babk/?raw=true
1723916;1507734577;ccmtacks;!!key mircea_popescu
1723917;1507734578;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.asc
1723918;1507734733;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have spamlulz to raise to that, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wlEbG/?raw=true
1723919;1507734761;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1723920;1507734764;asciilifeform;plus another where 'Ukraine will be the first country in the world to legalize Bitcoin, Altcoins, Cryptobanks & ICO Trading. Be a part of history! Earn up to 20%...'
1723921;1507734776;mircea_popescu;i guess they don't know what cyprus is huh.
1723922;1507734962;asciilifeform;the ukrs did in fact recently put on some public spectacle where they hosted 'up and coming' shitcoinists, ethertards, et al
1723923;1507734974;mircea_popescu;im sure.
1723924;1507734980;mircea_popescu;you understand what concert promotion is yes ?
1723925;1507734986;asciilifeform;aha same idea
1723926;1507734997;mircea_popescu;all this "conference" bs is much a subleaf of that, for the loser/womenz to try hand at.
1723927;1507735103;asciilifeform;i saw a little reportage, it was interestingly the ~exact same spamcarnival as seen prev in usa & elsewhere. oddly ~no homegrown orc scamola .
1723928;1507735125;mircea_popescu;idiocy is not really cross-cultural in this strict formal sense.
1723929;1507735141;mircea_popescu;local orcs have their own homegrown equivalents of graham-style "entrepreneurship".
1723930;1507735160;asciilifeform;they also have 'problem' of having been inoculated with mmm
1723931;1507735176;mircea_popescu;nah
1723932;1507735221;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that the ethertardium etc folx today target moneyed orcs, rather than homo-mmmicus .
1723933;1507735246;phf;every single 'civilian' conversation in ru i had with friends and friends of friends at some point had bitcoin brought up, and obviously not coming from me. in fact not even as part of "talking technology" track
1723934;1507735274;asciilifeform;phf: curious -- in what light brought up
1723935;1507735358;phf;depending on the person either the context of "you're a banker, what do bitcoin investment" or else futurism "soon there won't be ИПОТЕКА everything will be in bitcions, have you heard?"
1723936;1507735369;asciilifeform;lol!
1723937;1507735463;shinohai;lmao the U.S. futbol team was defeated 2-1 by *Trinidad and Tobago* and will not advance to the World Cup.
1723938;1507735471;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's relatives are ~all elderly emigre type and read volkischer beobachter and so naturally 100% of mention bitcoin is 'hey didja hear, that bitcoin thing finally HACKED!11!! soon valueless, president of imf proclaimed!' etc snoar
1723939;1507735532;phf;(ipoteka is a ru word by way of greece for mortgage, i've not heard it before when growing up, but now at a certain age it's a main conversation subject/as well as advertisement, so i've been cracking up every time i hear it. i've been forcing it as a catch all term for "orc financial matters" to the confused looks of my ru friends)
1723940;1507735541;shinohai;Since event is being held in Russia, inb4 Russian hackers fucked with the team
1723941;1507735584;asciilifeform;phf: it was part of the fiction where 'no we didn't surrender to americans, your rape is a traditional ancient greek, dontchaknow, rape style, nuffin to do with usa'
1723942;1507735628;phf;asciilifeform: well to do middle aged ru dentist types talked to me of bitcoin mining with a "please explain what the hell is going on". it's very much the opposite of the beobachter take, still as lulzy.
1723943;1507735724;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/U0SNT/?raw=true
1723944;1507736003;shinohai;!~later tell jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zOfhc/?raw=true
1723945;1507736004;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1723946;1507736298;mircea_popescu;phf just about same here. i particularily enjoy situations where the "group expert" in "new trends" brings bitcoin to the group. particularily if 20something female.
1723947;1507736313;mircea_popescu;and yes, finance & futurism.
1723948;1507736330;asciilifeform;mas futuro!11
1723949;1507736358;mircea_popescu;quite exactly, it's never futurism as the 1920s artistic blaseness. it's always "i will r entrepreneurize" or "i will marry well" or such, translated in the new paints.
1723950;1507736391;mircea_popescu;it's a good thing the human rights crowd informs us "everyone wants to be and is an individual", because from experience i'd never have arrived at the idea.
1723951;1507736405;asciilifeform;for some reason folx always go around 'i will get rich'-ing and somehow never 'i will find my quicklime pit'
1723952;1507736447;mircea_popescu;i wonder why what is, snort snort.
1723953;1507736600;mircea_popescu;lmao "atenCOIN is rebranding to blablaBITCOIN". oook ?
1723954;1507738085;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1723910 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OxPgo/?raw=true
1723955;1507739458;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu i had a thought re your http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1722036 algo : instead of one stream generator, have N independent ones (each with own seed, and not necessarily all same hash fn) running in parallel, xor together. every rsagram changes a seed in ONE of these at a time. strength is bought by sending rsagrams moar often
1723956;1507739458;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 23:13 mircea_popescu: basically the scheme is, you rsa a random bitfield, then you expand that into as much otp as you want by doing recursively Fi = hash(bitfield + Fi-1). there's a limit on i, obviously, which can be set to 1.
1723957;1507739458;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1723958;1507739528;mircea_popescu;other than more complexity, what's this buy me ?
1723959;1507739541;mircea_popescu;and srsly don't later tell me when im right here wth.
1723960;1507739557;asciilifeform;oh hey
1723961;1507739571;asciilifeform;it buys you same thing http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-10#1402315 buys you -- strength of the strongest one
1723962;1507739571;a111;Logged on 2016-02-10 19:29 asciilifeform: (incidentally, the problem of an inner cipher introducing known-plaintextisms is solved routinely by splitting the payload into xor-able halves, using rng, and enciphering each ~half~ with different cipher, rather than box-in-box composition)
1723963;1507739609;asciilifeform;also eliminates the problem where there is a known relation between adjacent pieces of ciphertext where plaintext is known
1723964;1507739626;asciilifeform;( which you have if i+1 = H(i) )
1723965;1507739729;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. so instead of one item with the above three problems, i now have three, and they're hashed together. so ?
1723966;1507739733;asciilifeform;you can trivially prove that, for crypto break (vs e.g. side chans) enemy must break either a) all of the rsagrams b) all of the hashes
1723967;1507739740;mircea_popescu;right.
1723968;1507739742;asciilifeform;they ain't hashed together, no
1723969;1507739743;mircea_popescu;which he does.
1723970;1507739767;mircea_popescu;this idea is not akin saying "if you are worried about your gallon jar breaking and spilling your rum, use 4 quart jars". works irl.
1723971;1507739768;asciilifeform;each one in particular runs as mircea_popescu's old algo does. the otps, however, are xored to form the otp that gets used in the end.
1723972;1507739775;mircea_popescu;but online, if he breaks one he breaks all 4.
1723973;1507739783;asciilifeform;depends how breaks neh
1723974;1507739787;mircea_popescu;not unlike*
1723975;1507739799;mircea_popescu;well how. if hash function is preimage weak, they all will be.
1723976;1507739813;asciilifeform;why ?
1723977;1507739815;mircea_popescu;doh.
1723978;1507739820;asciilifeform;you used N different functions neh.
1723979;1507739826;mircea_popescu;cuz this exists now "?
1723980;1507739838;mircea_popescu;i can't fucking find one. you want me to use n
1723981;1507739855;asciilifeform;who said i had 1 much less n to offer with this recipe. i learn from the masters!11
1723982;1507739857;mircea_popescu;that's nice, but tell you what, 1880 airplanes all failed if one did. and one did. any one.
1723983;1507739911;asciilifeform;let's take however the variant where they all use same type of hash (e.g. keccak) but with independently FG-generated seeds. you still remove the i+i==H(i) known-relation problem.
1723984;1507739932;asciilifeform;*i+1
1723985;1507739934;asciilifeform;grr
1723986;1507739948;mircea_popescu;to recapitulate for the noobs : the converse of "we have no strong security models for hash functions" does ALSO imply that we CAN NOT DISTINGUISH THEM.
1723987;1507739975;mircea_popescu;and this isn't a joke : the "distinction" between rsa and ecc, whereby "ecc is faster" or "has longer effective key" is bs. ECC is exactly RSA in polar coordinates, if either fails mathematically both do.
1723988;1507739989;asciilifeform;mno
1723989;1507739995;asciilifeform;different conjecturedhardproblem.
1723990;1507739998;mircea_popescu;discrete curves, diophantine equations, it's all the fucking same.
1723991;1507740019;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu has the proof that 'all the same' quite a few folx would be interested to read.
1723992;1507740023;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't know it's ACTUALLY different ; the expression sounds different, but there's a clear modulo space / elliptic curve relation.
1723993;1507740033;asciilifeform;as it would be a p ?= np proof.
1723994;1507740035;mircea_popescu;that was the point of all those galois fields discussions recently.
1723995;1507740052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't have the proof it is, but that's irrelevant. you don't have the proof IT ISNT.
1723996;1507740060;mircea_popescu;and so in certain context, such as this one, the correct assumption...
1723997;1507740100;asciilifeform;i dun buy the 'no one has proven rsa to be hard so it dun matter how to implement it, let's use wet noodles and dried shit' argument.
1723998;1507740164;mircea_popescu;yet nevertheless, the "g is a different hash function from f" "how do we know ?" "because george named his g and florence named hers f" is nonsense.
1723999;1507740169;asciilifeform;after 3 generations of dried dog shit, quite conceivably the last actual crytoanalyst ate nagant 30yrs ago.
1724000;1507740194;mircea_popescu;probably.
1724001;1507740211;mircea_popescu;leaving us with this situation where "a different hash function" is not even a meaningful mathematical construction.
1724002;1507740516;asciilifeform;proposed mechanism is applicable to 'stacking' any but the most screamingly rubbish prng. elementarily if the seeds are independent ( and they are, having been birthed from FG, ideally even from separate physical units ) the value of the streams at whatever index are also uncorrelated; and the xor will have period no shorter than of the longest period prng.
1724003;1507740570;asciilifeform;ftr i dun particularly like this style of mechanism. it is suggested solely as continuation of the theme from linked thread, where 'make best of a cpu-poor situation with existing algos'
1724004;1507740673;mircea_popescu;the problem is not the seeds per se, that fg solved.
1724005;1507740682;mircea_popescu;the problem now is at the next link in the chain, the fs.
1724006;1507740790;asciilifeform;proposed item is that if using 1 stream, knowledge of a segment of plaintext gives you something valuable to work with; if using 2+ -- nothing
1724007;1507740829;mircea_popescu;but that nothing is entirely predicated of assumptions on how exactly "knowledge of segment" translates into the new world.
1724008;1507740849;mircea_popescu;if you get to double your heads, so does eve : now she has knowledge of a segment half size in each stream. tada.
1724009;1507740902;asciilifeform;i dun get it
1724010;1507740913;asciilifeform;knowing xor tells you 0 about what went into the xor.
1724011;1507740921;mircea_popescu;what ?
1724012;1507740925;asciilifeform;exactly that
1724013;1507740927;asciilifeform;see the otp thread
1724014;1507740934;mircea_popescu;look. situation 1, there's one stream, and enemy knows 1kb.
1724015;1507740953;mircea_popescu;you rpopose to move to situation two, where there's two streams AND YOU ALSO PROPOSE to not permit enemy to know 500bytes of each stream. why not ?
1724016;1507740955;asciilifeform;1 xor 0 -> 1; 0 xor 1 -> 1; 0 xor 0 -> 0; 1 xor 1 -> 0  in case forgot.
1724017;1507740965;mircea_popescu;what is so SPECIAL about him that you get to move but he has to stay put ?
1724018;1507741000;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu
1724019;1507741007;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo does it check out ?
1724020;1507741031;asciilifeform;ground rule of crypto is that enemy has access to ciphertext and the occasional bit of plaintext ( guessed. ) if he has access to inside of your box we ain't doing cryptology, it is called perimeter defense
1724021;1507741045;lobbes;https://archive.is/2YF3J << more lulz from orclands
1724022;1507741062;mircea_popescu;and in other (lengthy) lulz : i cursed new girl with the old mpoe-pr curse, if you haven't guessed by now. the tardstalk this time is "black hat world", dedicated to "seo" and shit.
1724023;1507741093;mircea_popescu;of relevance to republican interests -- https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/bhw-trade-volume.978942/
1724024;1507741140;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : sad story of non-tmsr wot implemented by heathens. 60k or so ratings totally exchanged, item collapsed into uselessness. why ? because not had and therefore not observed the http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ bible.
1724025;1507741161;mircea_popescu;their conclusion ? why http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1723899 of course
1724026;1507741161;a111;Logged on 2017-10-11 14:25 phf: but at the same time it's handy strawman: ~web of trust~ is broken, because our take on it is a piece of shit. i thought that's some pantsuit pattern discussed elsewhere
1724027;1507741174;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ABout to find out
1724028;1507741177;mircea_popescu;and "what should you do" ? why, "your own". but HOW ? oh... just... you know. your own.
1724029;1507741194;asciilifeform;'every time i add two numbers i get diff answer; arithmetic IS BROKEN'
1724030;1507741202;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform point there was that enemy will have access to some plaintext of each stream.
1724031;1507741327;asciilifeform;there's no 'plaintext of stream'
1724032;1507741335;asciilifeform;the streams exist solely to be xored together into a pad
1724033;1507741338;mircea_popescu;what shall i do with this guy.
1724034;1507741345;asciilifeform;which then gets used as otp per mircea_popescu's original algo.
1724035;1507741351;shinohai;lobbes: They were prolly pissed because he didn't bring a bucket of KFC too
1724036;1507741380;asciilifeform;i'ma borrow method of apeloyee and post a pseudocode at some point, might become clearer.
1724037;1507741463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nevermind that waste of time/effort. think : when you say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1724006 you are actually imposing further conditions on the attacker than the null case.
1724038;1507741463;a111;Logged on 2017-10-11 16:53 asciilifeform: proposed item is that if using 1 stream, knowledge of a segment of plaintext gives you something valuable to work with; if using 2+ -- nothing
1724039;1507741493;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in your gedankenattack, to what items does enemy have access, and how did he get it ?
1724040;1507741495;mircea_popescu;lobbes how the fuck is bringing watermelons supposed to be discriminatory ? he wasn't gonna let the white guys have any ?
1724041;1507741506;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't care, it makes no diff.
1724042;1507741510;asciilifeform;it does tho
1724043;1507741515;asciilifeform;always and for whatever system
1724044;1507741525;mircea_popescu;nope. in fact, thinking about enemy in this specified sense is inviting error.
1724045;1507741534;asciilifeform;if 'enemy is a telepath and can access anything', you don't have crypto, you have eating pistol or surrender
1724046;1507741544;mircea_popescu;but you ALREADY granted he has an X.
1724047;1507741566;asciilifeform;you gotta say which x in particular .
1724048;1507741570;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Checks out
1724049;1507741575;mircea_popescu;here's how you state the story : "I have a Q". here is the correct statement : "Of all the possible Q that could ever exist, I have Q, the one and sole and only."
1724050;1507741597;mircea_popescu;here's what you move to : "I have a Q and a P". here's the correct statement : "Of all the possibles that may exist, Q and P, I have both".
1724051;1507741616;mircea_popescu;now it should be apparent : in the first case you let attacker have X of Q. in the second case, you MUST let him have X of Q and Y of P.
1724052;1507741636;mircea_popescu;if you do not, your hallucination of added security comes from your own arbitrary imposition of further constraints on attacker ; NOT from actual security.
1724053;1507741688;asciilifeform;but this is nonsense. he has x because he is able to - sometimes - infer it from a partial knowledge of q, because relation between x and q stream was 1:1. with multiple generators, it is now many to many.
1724054;1507741736;mircea_popescu;mno.
1724055;1507741744;mircea_popescu;security modelling is not engineering, it's modelling.
1724056;1507741759;*;asciilifeform straps on gas mask
1724057;1507741796;mircea_popescu;the proper equivalent of "he has either x of q or y or p but not both" is equivalent to "i only use p, and he has an x but IT IS NEVER THE X HE NEEDS haha! take that bitch! murphy works for me!"
1724058;1507741801;mircea_popescu;which is fun and fine and not useful.
1724059;1507741823;mircea_popescu;!!rate ccmtacks 1 Internet Marketing kid.
1724060;1507741825;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CIpZM/?raw=true
1724061;1507741903;mircea_popescu;and if anyone was wondering how much dough the etsy chicks make, and which ones, and out of what exactly, http://www.craftcount.com/category.php?cat=3&subcat=4
1724062;1507741949;asciilifeform;i thought 'etsy' et al were long ago colonized by folx farming out grunt labour to pakistani etc
1724063;1507741963;asciilifeform;and 0 to do with american chixen knitting
1724064;1507741969;mircea_popescu;yeswell.
1724065;1507741993;asciilifeform;(0 reason why pakifarm cannot use name, mug, an' styling of a chix )
1724066;1507741996;mircea_popescu;should i have said " how much dough the etsy chicks don't make" ?
1724067;1507742026;asciilifeform;can also sum how much they 'dun make' at nasdaq; and while we're at it, how much fish they don't have at the proverbial sov fish counter
1724068;1507742031;asciilifeform;how much meat -- at meat counter.
1724069;1507742102;mircea_popescu;but it's with numbers!
1724070;1507742127;asciilifeform;lollers
1724071;1507742198;mircea_popescu;IT HAS LINK PROOF
1724072;1507742951;asciilifeform;'So don't be fooled by post count, age, whatever. Fine. What are you fooled by?' << lol
1724073;1507742959;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1724074;1507742991;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market-all
1724075;1507742992;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
1724076;1507743001;*;asciilifeform tried, and failed, to distinguish linked site from the usual inmate-fat-powered spamulag
1724077;1507743008;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1724078;1507743016;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4841.76, vol: 11479.89856307 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4835.9, vol: 37614.14524748 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4274.3844, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4844.1, vol: 4503.82418578 | Volume-weighted last average: 4837.84417367
1724079;1507743021;BingoBoingo;So, in new lulz... Telestra is soliciting business by posing as independent datacenters
1724080;1507743041;mircea_popescu;too bad you can't use bitcoin for anything. must be why it's crashing
1724081;1507743051;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo heh!
1724082;1507743059;asciilifeform;shitcoin at ~0.06 incidentally.
1724083;1507743068;mircea_popescu;scratch the surface of "diversity" and "World of choice" juyst a little, admire the self-same oroborus maggot.
1724084;1507743096;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i run into these continuously
1724085;1507743126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, the little wolverine huh. she's one spirited hussy.
1724086;1507743188;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sorta like comp market in 1995 was superficially similar to walking into one from '85, except for the detail where all of the 'different comps you can CHOOSE from' run microshit on x86
1724087;1507743238;mircea_popescu;in the sense the 1985 market was similar to that from 1975, except all the "make your own computer" boxes were now made by ibm
1724088;1507743244;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This one was Pacnet, suggesting at least Pacific regional thing. Yet "Channel Director, East Region" of Telestra answered inquiry with "40 Wall Street, Floor 44, New York, NY 10005" in his signature
1724089;1507743257;asciilifeform;'wouldja like a dell or a hp'
1724090;1507743307;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo basically, the difference between orcs and niggers is that the niggers know they're niggers, the orcs still have delusions.
1724091;1507743317;mircea_popescu;meanwhile teh jewsuitis run all the things.
1724092;1507743346;BingoBoingo;Eh, there's still some pretty legit spelling azns working on making numbers
1724093;1507743378;BingoBoingo;Just WTF was with wix.com Thailand
1724094;1507743381;mircea_popescu;so you'd think. but then how many esl azns do you bed, cuz nobody speaks the truth outside the bedroom.
1724095;1507743522;BingoBoingo;That happens at later screening. The igarment.net people seem too impressively targeted to be Telestra so far.
1724096;1507744168;asciilifeform;in other 'we'll steal from tmsr, why not, and WEDIDITFIRST' lulzies, https://archive.is/kvyXQ
1724097;1507744344;mircea_popescu;lol, libre planet.
1724098;1507744365;mircea_popescu;incidentally, by now the tmsr schadenfreunde is probably peaking. all sorts of wanna-be groups that "have been doing it for longer" and bla bla.
1724099;1507744374;asciilifeform;( same derps as hosted the koch talk linked earlier, loox like )
1724100;1507744376;mircea_popescu;"libre", fine example.
1724101;1507744397;BingoBoingo;lol @ "Vagrant Cascadian"
1724102;1507744402;mircea_popescu;"LibrePlanet was held March 25-26 in Cambridge, Massachusetts at the Stata Center on the campus of MIT." << whole story.
1724103;1507744476;asciilifeform;various lulz from same, e.g. https://archive.is/D1gJA >> ' McHardy first approaches a company to tell it that its product is not in compliance; he makes a modest demand (say €6,000-7,000) for his engineering time. He also asks the company to acknowledge and sign his cease-and-desist order; under German law that turns it into a contract. Once that has been done, sometime later McHardy will come back with other products that are also
1724104;1507744476;asciilifeform; not in compliance and require that the company pay a penalty for each, which can total to €500,000 or more'
1724105;1507744524;asciilifeform;twist : gpl-flavoured
1724106;1507745927;asciilifeform;in very other lulz, at most recent count 'p' stands at 3.2kloc, of which 2k is ffa ( this is inclusive of comments, tests, and commented alt-incarnations of certain routines, as discussed in l0gz )
1724107;1507746001;asciilifeform;( for comparison, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680705 )
1724108;1507746001;a111;Logged on 2017-07-08 03:49 asciilifeform: i just counted gpg 1.4.10 : 156,436 loc -- and that ain't counting the autoconf liquishit, or the libs it pulls in
1724109;1507747147;mircea_popescu;for completeness, re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1723997 : the reason this is an entirely spurious objection is that we're not discussing known-weak vs unknown-how-hard items but straight up unknown-hardness vs unknown-hardness.
1724110;1507747147;a111;Logged on 2017-10-11 16:41 asciilifeform: i dun buy the 'no one has proven rsa to be hard so it dun matter how to implement it, let's use wet noodles and dried shit' argument.
1724111;1507747184;mircea_popescu;and also worth nothingt that known-weak items usually are known in the hard crypto sense, of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718087
1724112;1507747184;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 00:14 mircea_popescu: whereas in the correct, crypto-relevant understanding of "hash is hard", what is said is "B can make grounded promise that his effort will require at least X work"
1724113;1507747226;asciilifeform;afaik yer either in 'it's astrology, so hire cheapest' mode or yer not - tertium non datur
1724114;1507747239;mircea_popescu;eg caesar cipher, as discussed in http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/#footnote_0_49969 is known-upper-bound, known-average-case etcetera.
1724115;1507747283;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but have to keep astrology classes separate. then within any class, yes value function=1  for all items.
1724116;1507747286;asciilifeform;the 1 thing we have from von neumann's proof, however, other than otp per se, is the xor primitive, which provably composes N ~independent~ items of variant hardnesses, into the hardness of hardest input.
1724117;1507747300;mircea_popescu;yes. to uise it, must first prove independence.
1724118;1507747316;mircea_popescu;not assume independence, not merely outsource the burden of proof to government, etc.
1724119;1507747671;asciilifeform;if the number of generators is odd, the xor cannot make you worse off than before even if somehow they all became identical. however if even 1 of them is genuinely independent, you get the strength of that one. is what the 'ratchet' aspect of the xor is about.
1724120;1507747689;mircea_popescu;1 is odd.
1724121;1507747724;asciilifeform;with 1 you get fixed known relationship between adjacent stream chunks.
1724122;1507747852;asciilifeform;( tangentially, asciilifeform disrecommends the use of even numbers of XORed rngs in any system. incl. FGs. if enemy can somehow contrieve to tie the wires together, you will end up with 0,0,0.... )
1724123;1507747965;asciilifeform;( 'but what about the even # of subunits in fg itself? ' -- that's what the red lamp, and much of the internal logic, is about )
1724124;1507748430;deedbot;http://trinque.org/2017/10/11/euse-enable-doc/ << trinque - euse --enable doc
1724125;1507753438;asciilifeform;!!up BHopkins
1724126;1507753438;deedbot;BHopkins voiced for 30 minutes.
1724127;1507753513;asciilifeform;BHopkins: hello ?
1724128;1507753541;BHopkins;Hey
1724129;1507753552;asciilifeform;who might you be, BHopkins ?
1724130;1507753592;BHopkins;Just looking for a guy named zinx
1724131;1507753602;mircea_popescu;zinx ?!
1724132;1507753633;mircea_popescu;oh right, blackhat mod guy. how goes BHopkins ?
1724133;1507753640;asciilifeform;i was about to say 'i've never heard of a zinx' but it was in linked item earlier
1724134;1507753647;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1724023 <<
1724135;1507753647;a111;Logged on 2017-10-11 16:58 mircea_popescu: of relevance to republican interests -- https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/bhw-trade-volume.978942/
1724136;1507753654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same here lmao. girl's been raising hell over there apparently.
1724137;1507753660;BHopkins;Ya, MP, how are you?
1724138;1507753671;mircea_popescu;not bad, actually!
1724139;1507753701;mircea_popescu;so this orm thing... is it what they call old style media agencies ? a sort of ogilvy&mather for the internet age ?
1724140;1507753720;BHopkins;Exactly! We suppress negative listings and replace them with positive and controllable assets.
1724141;1507753758;mircea_popescu;aha. so : there's a bit of mismatch here, whereby the republic is powerful and rich, whereas the perception in usg owned peon farms is disjunct.
1724142;1507753767;mircea_popescu;that something you might want to work on ?
1724143;1507753785;BHopkins;I'm not interested in working with peon farmers :)
1724144;1507753801;mircea_popescu;ahaha.
1724145;1507753825;mircea_popescu;let us rephrase then. "whereas the perception in silicon valley spam farms, like facebook, huffpo, reddit, wikipedia etc".
1724146;1507753827;mircea_popescu;better ?
1724147;1507753881;BHopkins;Much better...In a nutshell, we do what gets results and what works. Sometimes that is high quality content, but other times, it's lower quality link building.
1724148;1507753892;BHopkins;End of the day, the results are what we're looking for
1724149;1507753981;mircea_popescu;here's the gist of the problem : when rando, such as for instance bill lawsky, stands up and says "we made these rules" bla bla, nobody in those verticals springs up the obvious "what proof do you have". if i say "i destroyed ETH/BCH/whatever, and here's the proof" the same nobodies come up with contorted nonsense like "ok but what proof do you have your proof is proofing?!?!?"
1724150;1507753999;mircea_popescu;this is a ridiculous state of affairs, and it will have to be returned to normalcy.
1724151;1507754048;*;shinohai munches on tea and biscuits, likes where this thread is going ......
1724152;1507754062;shinohai;Fuck, I jinxed it
1724153;1507754100;BHopkins;I guess I'll he returns :)
1724154;1507754104;BHopkins;oh back, good
1724155;1507754124;BHopkins;I've worked in this vertical a few different times, along with other verticals that have similar issues.
1724156;1507754139;asciilifeform;BHopkins: out of curiosity, which vertical 'had similar issues' ?
1724157;1507754155;mircea_popescu;(bill lawsky was this sort of mini-preet bharara, however briefly, meanwhile... retired.)
1724158;1507754297;BHopkins;@asciilifeform stock trading has sites like tradingschools.org that are essentially one mans negative opinions on everything except what he's selling.
1724159;1507754320;asciilifeform;i thought that described ~whole of www
1724160;1507754320;mircea_popescu;may be a difference of scope, but anyway.
1724161;1507754334;mircea_popescu;in perhaps more interesting questions, do you own any bitcoin BHopkins ?
1724162;1507754335;BHopkins;As for my recommendation, we're not trying to educate the general public through the search results. What we want to do is ensure they only find positive information when the search for a keyword.
1724163;1507754378;BHopkins;Nope, no bitcoin yet for me. But I've worked with a few other companies in this industry over the years.
1724164;1507754386;mircea_popescu;would you like one ?
1724165;1507754435;BHopkins;I had to look up the current price, and the answer is yes :)
1724166;1507754440;mircea_popescu;post an address.
1724167;1507754617;BHopkins;I think I did it right: 12taDFRdimNTHx1xoUkUZWj3nrE4js6LM6
1724168;1507754630;shinohai;!!balance
1724169;1507754634;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9sYwP/?raw=true
1724170;1507754712;mircea_popescu;BHopkins are you sure it is yours ? lest we blow up a whole flat's worth of hookers and blow.
1724171;1507754767;shinohai;I could payroll South American camhoes for a year on that lol
1724172;1507754769;BHopkins;That's what CoinBase is telling me...I clicked the "Receive" in the BTC Wallet section
1724173;1507754773;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 1 12taDFRdimNTHx1xoUkUZWj3nrE4js6LM6
1724174;1507754777;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/43rNX/?raw=true
1724175;1507754795;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, coinbase. bitpay / blockchain.info dun stand a chance.
1724176;1507754804;asciilifeform;they stood a chance?!
1724177;1507754838;mircea_popescu;BHopkins will be processed later today ; at which point -- congrats, your first bitcoin!
1724178;1507754867;BHopkins;I almost feel a little dirty not playing by the conventional rules of money :)
1724179;1507754892;mircea_popescu;hah
1724180;1507754901;*;asciilifeform still not sure how (other than ceremonial aspect) this mechanism beats sending coins the old-fashioned way, from own actual node -- but it's still neat that trinque built a thing sturdy enough to run with coin
1724181;1507754914;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform public.
1724182;1507754929;mircea_popescu;also allows to record something not before recorded : intention-to-pay.
1724183;1507754938;mircea_popescu;it gives human flesh to the bitcoin steel skeleton.
1724184;1507754950;asciilifeform;could achieve this without hotwallet, by signing proclamations. but yes this is convenient.
1724185;1507754961;mircea_popescu;convenience beats correctness every time.
1724186;1507754974;BHopkins;MP from what I understand, you're looking to clean up your search results?
1724187;1507754975;mircea_popescu;kinda why it's important to develop correct conveniences.
1724188;1507754999;mircea_popescu;BHopkins nah. i personally couldn't care less about "bad" things. for one thing, i've yet to meet the entity intelligent to say something meaningfully bad about me.
1724189;1507755034;mircea_popescu;no, traditionally the job is to either get interviews placed if the client is smarter than the press, or else to get reviews/testimonials/etc placed if the press is smarter than the client.
1724190;1507755048;mircea_popescu;given the situation in the field, interviews are probably the only workable approach.
1724191;1507755089;BHopkins;If not cleaning up the negative aspects of the search results, what would be your end goal?
1724192;1507755120;mircea_popescu;you mean other than a bevy of the younger "journalist" interns realising they're wasting their time in office clothes in new york and joining me naked in costa rica ?
1724193;1507755187;BHopkins;Don't be too judgmental of journalist "interns". I create some of those for our marketing purposes :)
1724194;1507755221;mircea_popescu;lol ok.
1724195;1507755246;mircea_popescu;eh.
1724196;1507755249;mircea_popescu;!!up BHopkins
1724197;1507755249;deedbot;BHopkins voiced for 30 minutes.
1724198;1507755253;mircea_popescu;BHopkins do you have a pgp key ?
1724199;1507755272;shinohai;In other advertising fun: http://archive.is/W1sNK
1724200;1507755300;mircea_popescu;shinohai inadvertently my foot. huge problem for all ad platforms.
1724201;1507755324;shinohai;ikr
1724202;1507755335;asciilifeform;shinohai: ~same thing sank yahoo's ad service few yrs back
1724203;1507755356;BHopkins;@MP no PGP key, do I need one?
1724204;1507755356;asciilifeform;( somehow, not hosting arbitrary js/flasholade isn't an option for these, go figure )
1724205;1507755362;mircea_popescu;BHopkins yes. do you know what pgp is ?
1724206;1507755376;BHopkins;Vaguely, but not enough to have used it.
1724207;1507755390;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're mostly all based on user idiocy, clicks links ends up windows'd.
1724208;1507755416;mircea_popescu;BHopkins well, so get one. no way to do private communications without pgp. also no good way to have an identity online.
1724209;1507755417;shinohai;Ah Yahoo .... I was able to upload a BEeF hook inside an ad there once, no one batted an eye.
1724210;1507757101;mircea_popescu;!!up BHopkins
1724211;1507757101;deedbot;BHopkins voiced for 30 minutes.
1724212;1507757407;BHopkins;MP I have a PGP key now...
1724213;1507757505;mircea_popescu;cool. do like elaine did : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717365
1724214;1507757505;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 04:38 elaineo: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wGuML/?raw=true
1724215;1507757510;mircea_popescu;and don't lose it!
1724216;1507757526;mircea_popescu;i'll rate you, which means you'll be able to self-voice so i don't have to keep patching it half hour at a time.
1724217;1507757645;BHopkins;https://0bin.net/paste/H8vSn1ejvZ3QcZvL#oNqdIKPnpxQypEWykvNMiav2BOtjtcuOs0QaZBzeVbT
1724218;1507757657;BHopkins;that work?
1724219;1507757669;mircea_popescu;it might. if not, use p.bvulpes.com for best results.
1724220;1507757709;BHopkins;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BcPgR/?raw=true
1724221;1507757711;deedbot;252F0E9554CF3C1AAD91C3B50D2798D6B27564C8 registered as BHopkins.
1724222;1507757714;mircea_popescu;win
1724223;1507757727;mircea_popescu;!!rate BHopkins 1 blackhatworld mod/marketing guy
1724224;1507757729;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9Gpi7/?raw=true
1724225;1507757768;BHopkins;I draw the line at the dark web. bitcoin, PGP, what's next? :)
1724226;1507757787;mircea_popescu;that's about it. what is this dark web ?
1724227;1507757874;BHopkins;Ok great, we briefly talked about marketing and interviews. Did you want to do a series of interviews?
1724228;1507757886;mircea_popescu;that could work.
1724229;1507758009;BHopkins;If not cleaning up the SERPs, was the idea to just share your expertise?
1724230;1507758049;mircea_popescu;mmm. it's not a matter of sharing expertise as such. it's a matter of breaking the fake media, let's say.
1724231;1507758976;mircea_popescu;BHopkins say /query deedbot then say !!up to it and decrypt its challenge.
1724232;1507759921;mircea_popescu;!!up BHopkins
1724233;1507759922;deedbot;BHopkins voiced for 30 minutes.
1724234;1507759935;mircea_popescu;let's see ?
1724235;1507761016;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1724236;1507761200;shinohai;Srry BingoBoingo .... jhvh1 down for a bit
1724237;1507761316;BingoBoingo;It's ok, as long as you stay more responsive than Serbia
1724238;1507761355;BHopkins;It just says "Get your OTP" and then gives me a key. What do I do with that key?
1724239;1507761524;BingoBoingo;!!v OTPGOESHERE
1724240;1507761543;BingoBoingo;^ WHat you do BHopkins
1724241;1507761621;BingoBoingo;In other news of the day, In USia girls can now be boyscouts
1724242;1507761647;shinohai;inb4 traps start selling me cookies
1724243;1507761669;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i guess it was decided that they have arses like anybody, ergo compatible
1724244;1507761692;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Boy scouts are popcorn, not cookies
1724245;1507761698;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Possibru
1724246;1507761751;BingoBoingo;In other, lesser struggles in the republic: I now have to decide if I care enough to contest speeding ticket in Appelate court
1724247;1507761755;BingoBoingo;!!up BHopkins
1724248;1507761756;deedbot;BHopkins voiced for 30 minutes.
1724249;1507761763;shinohai;Well see BingoBoingo, I figure its only a matter of time before they DO allow cookie sales and boys to wear brownie uniforms if they wish.
1724250;1507761767;shinohai;Inclusion ftw
1724251;1507761800;BingoBoingo;shinohai: You don't understand. Two completely seperate organizations. The girl scouts are already threatening lawyers!
1724252;1507761816;shinohai;lol
1724253;1507761869;asciilifeform;loox like usa simply aligning with classic su ( and german ) tradition, where there's 1 org
1724254;1507761885;asciilifeform;( 'pioneers' and 'hitlerjugend' respectively )
1724255;1507761920;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Could be they decide Baden Powel was racis and colonialist, and Charlottesville his statues
1724256;1507761928;mircea_popescu;did anyone else want reddit accounts ?
1724257;1507762107;BHopkins;!!v QIMA74TC/9ZkuPbAQ//dXLWRcdua3d38yoq2bMrc85MfX6m1b2GsyLG7zi82yJw a2JML9jdmUs9XFJwc9JMdY5bqWNLSJDIN9EWErKP5NtjpQv2f4thKANgoE0h4xBD 8AswzFMyL2o1yMhc9Wqs6ErsK9doPyw2HQToBGe/xiq9Up9s0AkYwci4Qe/8cTlE yYe8UIlXMcOfGdeNjUKb5GEBEFaIAa6SrxiHZ7Tly1o1wHzIMqIg7mhm/2iaE7yP TR5ZmhAZNXgflaVTE0L49iftxW53uDNFf+PMt9359kjV1bMWQ8VTyCv2/gdD+jS4 R2H9gKkbYB0oqf5Jyjonp82dkd5AQS3AMG/0JouIkzMhkMDRl2sDqQ2dn6JcVS+l 4+5FyG9azu8QNA6T0UbnhqdwMo9p1VzhNyhsCy2U7XFr
1724258;1507762121;mircea_popescu;BHopkins you have to decrypt it.
1724259;1507762128;asciilifeform;lol!
1724260;1507762130;BHopkins;:)
1724261;1507762152;mircea_popescu;that's the whole point, by proving you can decrypt something encrypted to your key you prove you are you.
1724262;1507762181;BHopkins;It's not about proof, it's about my personal inability :)
1724263;1507762256;*;BingoBoingo smells 30% chance of newcomer private key paste in the wind
1724264;1507762270;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pretty sure it happened before
1724265;1507762278;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dun think so ; tho it has happened before.
1724266;1507762313;asciilifeform;it's even happened that folx mis-point 'this end toward enemy', lol
1724267;1507762337;BHopkins;I can confirm 100% chance of newb to PGP
1724268;1507762341;asciilifeform;http://bunkerseeds.com/images/MON50/mon50.jpg << oblig
1724269;1507762393;mircea_popescu;is that the fertile soil of afghanistan, from back in the day a different empire was going there to die ?
1724270;1507762408;asciilifeform;could be anywhere, item is still made
1724271;1507762478;asciilifeform;american original has much funnier text, http://i.imgur.com/Occdk.jpg
1724272;1507762555;asciilifeform;according to legend, inscription originates with vietnam, where malingerers would eat small bits
1724273;1507762665;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> did anyone else want reddit accounts ? << If they are anything like mine comes with bonus long walk to sanity through personal transformation
1724274;1507762928;mircea_popescu;lol
1724275;1507763362;BingoBoingo;Well, probably a natural fit for the typical target market
1724276;1507763566;*;BingoBoingo can't believe it's only another 5 hours until the latest round of "Who wants to fleece a Gringo" emails pour in
1724277;1507763571;BingoBoingo;!!up BHopkins
1724278;1507763572;deedbot;BHopkins voiced for 30 minutes.
1724279;1507765034;asciilifeform;in very very other olds, http://jeanjacques.lacrampe.free.fr/webada/doc/gnat/gcc_10.html#SEC316 << -fpreserve-control-flow flag  indeed appears to work ( but only up to -O1 )
1724280;1507768126;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1724173 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1z1hc/?raw=true
1724281;1507771377;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/suddenly-last-summer/ << Trilema - Suddenly, Last Summer
1724282;1507771377;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/suddenly-last-summer/ << Trilema - Suddenly, Last Summer
1724283;1507771509;mircea_popescu;kik
1724284;1507771657;shinohai;Awww, when I archived it, you cant see the spiffy grey pantsuit: http://archive.is/YYkLk
1724285;1507772425;shinohai;"Maybe I'll have better luck in Romania!!!!" http://archive.is/QT0g2
1724286;1507773075;mircea_popescu;speaking of white weddings, http://78.media.tumblr.com/f038ef263132963010e1fe59cef09a0f/tumblr_o9b2387yoc1vuywi8o4_1280.jpg
1724287;1507774129;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, sears canada closing altogether
1724288;1507774133;mircea_popescu;such buffett.
1724289;1507775438;BingoBoingo;lol
1724290;1507775473;BingoBoingo;That's what happens when you double down on being a lumberless lumberyard
1724291;1507775498;mircea_popescu;i thought they mostly sold overpriced japanese watches and bad kitchenware.
1724292;1507775570;BingoBoingo;That's what they try to sell. They mostly end up selling tools (Which they sold to Stanley Black and Decker) and lawnmowers. Also assorted catalog novelty schlock other retailers won't touch
1724293;1507775589;BingoBoingo;"Fishtank coffee table" etc
1724294;1507775652;mircea_popescu;just had this 3kg apple pie come out of the oven so i have trouble feeling for radioshack-of-the-day
1724295;1507775684;*;BingoBoingo still pissed off he is going to have to take speeding ticket to appellate court
1724296;1507775692;mircea_popescu;BUT. no maga yet huh. 12k laid off.
1724297;1507775730;BingoBoingo;No MAGA until bum fuck nowhere court respects muh authoritie
1724298;1507775736;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo make sure you claim admirality copyright indemnification:warranty or how it went.
1724299;1507775788;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Officer admitted on the stand he was using radar device in a manner inconsistent with its labelling and contrary to NHTSA standards has not been certified in radar use since the 1990's
1724300;1507775953;BingoBoingo;Officer could also offer no answer to "What is the doppler effect" "What is cosine error" "What is cosine" "When was patrol vehicle spedometer calibrated"
1724301;1507775971;mircea_popescu;heh
1724302;1507776015;BingoBoingo;"I press the button, it shoots out beams and gives a speed" "But how do the beams give a speed" "They just do"
1724303;1507776152;BingoBoingo;In other lulz from first HK to wake up: iAdvantage Software, Inc. Parent Company: American Agricultural Services, Inc.
1724304;1507776166;mircea_popescu;o.O
1724305;1507776436;BingoBoingo;Oh, it looks like Hong Kong is waking up 2 hours earlier today
1724306;1507777148;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Too early for purpose built hall? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ggO94/?raw=true
1724307;1507777227;*;BingoBoingo finding Chinese trait of internal buck passing discussion happening in front of customer over email
1724308;1507777233;BingoBoingo;ADORABLE
1724309;1507777314;BingoBoingo;Such stotting behavior
1724310;1507777346;BingoBoingo;Gotta show the customer who is the boss and customer is being dumped onto
1724311;1507777359;BingoBoingo;*who the customer is being dumped onto
1724312;1507778101;mircea_popescu;sounds not bad.
1724313;1507779563;BingoBoingo;It's a refreshing change of pace
1724314;1507779622;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Dickson (unsure if singular or plural): "Thanks for your enquiry, we will study your requirements and get back to you ASAP."
1724315;1507805784;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/F89n7/?raw=true
1724316;1507814923;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the land of microshit, https://archive.is/45i24 >> 'There is a bug in Outlook that causes S/MIME encrypted mails to be send in encrypted and unencrypted form...'
1724317;1507814979;asciilifeform;and elsewhere in winblowzistan, 'Equifax website hacked again, this time to redirect to fake Flash update'.
1724318;1507817898;mod6;Updated Republican Node List with pete_dushenski's new '199.204.187.186'.
1724319;1507817901;mod6;Thanks pete_dushenski!
1724320;1507818160;asciilifeform;in other lulz, something closely resembling trb node on ex-dulap ( 46.166.165.30 ) still running... though i do not recommend it for any practical use
1724321;1507818237;asciilifeform;whole box is , at least from surface appearance, untouched, logins work, etc
1724322;1507818280;*;mod6 holds nose
1724323;1507818282;asciilifeform;hey trinque check your boxes that had 'wires', they are probably STILL running, and trbing to it
1724324;1507818308;asciilifeform;and who else had one of these -- ben_vulpes ?
1724325;1507818400;mod6;I did, but i took mine down a while ago.
1724326;1507818781;jurov;dear shinohai et al.: i think it's as good time as any to learn to explicitly date the signed stuff, please. so that i don't have to muck with signature innards to keep track.
1724327;1507819342;trinque;asciilifeform: took down my wire too, but thanks for the heads up
1724328;1507820111;mircea_popescu;ahaha equifax raped to shit.
1724329;1507820131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so if logins work then just beleete it.
1724330;1507820177;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what'd that do , exactly, whoever wanted copy of hdd - already has
1724331;1507820193;mircea_popescu;well, when presented with knobs, twiddle them at least once.
1724332;1507820233;asciilifeform;lol
1724333;1507820270;*;mircea_popescu wouldn't put it past teh excel-powered-secret-agents to have fucked up the backups, for instance.
1724334;1507820289;mircea_popescu;"oh, of course we have. WE ARE THE MOST TECHNOADEVANCED COLLECTION OF IDIOTS AND DUMB CUNTS THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWS!!1"
1724335;1507820506;asciilifeform;speaking of 'technoadvanced' gerontocracy, https://archive.is/IFtZF >> 'Congress’ pharmacist hints some members have Alzheimer’s, backpedals furiously'
1724336;1507820546;asciilifeform;best part, 'People on Twitter expressed dismay at the revelation and the apparent breach in trust.' << 'people'
1724337;1507820708;mircea_popescu;hehehe
1724338;1507820722;mircea_popescu;teh... zinx probably hired the same people already!
1724339;1507821423;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1724340;1507821494;mircea_popescu;aww the crashing crashed the bot???
1724341;1507825299;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724326   << nb
1724342;1507825299;a111;Logged on 2017-10-12 14:33 jurov: dear shinohai et al.: i think it's as good time as any to learn to explicitly date the signed stuff, please. so that i don't have to muck with signature innards to keep track.
1724343;1507825541;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724326 << good habit to develop ~now~, 'p' has no hidden embedding of date (or of anything else) in sigs
1724344;1507825541;a111;Logged on 2017-10-12 14:33 jurov: dear shinohai et al.: i think it's as good time as any to learn to explicitly date the signed stuff, please. so that i don't have to muck with signature innards to keep track.
1724345;1507825623;asciilifeform;a pgptron that embeds 'helpful' things magically in sigs is approx as dumb idea as rifle that helpfully reaims itself in random directions
1724346;1507825642;mircea_popescu;pretty sure they have that
1724347;1507825654;asciilifeform;'oh hey a bouncing ball, you wanted that shot too i assume?'
1724348;1507827314;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on no us campus ever, http://78.media.tumblr.com/bc011bb5754ed041bb788b31c508dea9/tumblr_np4t4cw6K31txs21yo1_540.gif
1724349;1507827480;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in alt-republics, https://twitter.com/botsbreeder/status/836472673857232896
1724350;1507827538;asciilifeform;spamublics
1724351;1507828088;mircea_popescu;yet apparently can rent 1k boxes.
1724352;1507828121;asciilifeform;or 1k bulldozers, what of it
1724353;1507828135;mircea_popescu;we need a couple.
1724354;1507828224;asciilifeform;ask'im if he'll let a few ? or is there problem, is he weak in the head like all of the others, and only takes goldspamogram or shiterium or some other fuckknowswhatbutneverbitcoin
1724355;1507828249;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would he work for you, i don't get this.
1724356;1507828264;asciilifeform;for mircea_popescu , presumably
1724357;1507828270;asciilifeform;i dun need a spamdozer at all.
1724358;1507828271;mircea_popescu;you expect if random dood on side of the road asks me if he can what ? rent my car ? girl ? take a sip of my drink?
1724359;1507828279;mircea_popescu;in what world does this make sense.
1724360;1507828302;asciilifeform;reading the link, seems as if d00d were in it for the moneyz, rather than for own amusement in his cellar, neh
1724361;1507828566;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu had a twatter page where he boasted of having purchased 1,000 200-litre crates of orca-cola, but did not say why, it would not be unreasonable to politely ask if he wanted to sell some -- though answer could end up being 'it is to fill my swimming pool, buzz off'
1724362;1507828920;mircea_popescu;guy runs ahref, a popular google gaming thing.
1724363;1507828965;mircea_popescu;libregoogle, if you will.
1724364;1507828992;asciilifeform;aah
1724365;1507828998;asciilifeform;ok then makes sense.
1724366;1507829022;mircea_popescu;i expect they do a buncha indexing or such
1724367;1507829079;asciilifeform;ahref ! iirc accounted for 80+% of the http log lines on dulap.
1724368;1507829089;mircea_popescu;aha. so there you go.
1724369;1507829090;asciilifeform;he might be the 1 d00d with a full html mirror of the thing.
1724370;1507829125;asciilifeform;( or then again could be anybody, and for some reason using his useragent, i have nfi )
1724371;1507829145;asciilifeform;fwiw 1000s of unique ips presenting that string.
1724372;1507829174;mircea_popescu;supposedly he got a coupla k boxes. but, you realise, nobody buys a box without a bunch of ips for it.
1724373;1507829190;mircea_popescu;as we were saying, c block per rack is actually kinda narrow
1724374;1507829198;asciilifeform;for some reason on 1st reading i pictured bots, rather than racked 'honest' boxen
1724375;1507830138;diana_coman;!!key Roger_
1724376;1507830138;deedbot;Not registered.
1724377;1507832162;mircea_popescu;!!key Roger_
1724378;1507832163;deedbot;Not registered.
1724379;1507832396;mircea_popescu;!!key roger___
1724380;1507832396;deedbot;Not registered.
1724381;1507832484;mircea_popescu;trinque dood complaining deedbot registered him but no key showing ?
1724382;1507832565;trinque;he only just did
1724383;1507832568;trinque;!!key roger___
1724384;1507832570;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/1561DD13B8CA28425D462D1BCD184E985A3A667B.asc
1724385;1507832594;mircea_popescu;oh oh. ty.
1724386;1507832640;trinque;!!key roger__
1724387;1507832641;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/1561DD13B8CA28425D462D1BCD184E985A3A667B.asc
1724388;1507832643;trinque;also that lol
1724389;1507832647;trinque;yw
1724390;1507832662;trinque;gotta camp all the rogers; there's gonna be a rush!
1724391;1507832924;mircea_popescu;the variety of noob approaches to things is unennumerable.
1724392;1507833891;asciilifeform;meanwhile in the circus, 'North Korean hackers stole a vast cache of data, including classified wartime contingency plans jointly drawn by the United States and South Korea, when they breached the computer network of the South Korean military last year, a South Korean lawmaker said Tuesday.'
1724393;1507833905;asciilifeform;'One of the plans included the South Korean military’s plan to remove the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, referred to as a “decapitation” ' etc.
1724394;1507833921;asciilifeform;'The military has not yet identified nearly 80 percent of the 235 gigabytes of leaked data' run moar koreablowz
1724395;1507834267;mircea_popescu;heh
1724396;1507834563;ben_vulpes;which reminds me "Symantec is no longer allowing governments to review the source code of its software because of fears the agreements would compromise the security of its products" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-russia-symantec/exclusive-symantec-ceo-says-source-code-reviews-pose-unacceptable-risk-idUSKBN1CF2SB
1724397;1507834626;ben_vulpes;"they took a stand and they put security over sales"
1724398;1507834647;asciilifeform;'ohnoez, nsa whitelist gotta stay seekrit'
1724399;1507834677;ben_vulpes;something like that, yeah
1724400;1507834707;asciilifeform;'“Obviously source code could be used in ways that are inimical to our national interest,” Cilluffo said. “They took a principled stand, and that’s the right decision and a courageous one.”'
1724401;1507834709;asciilifeform;gold.
1724402;1507835053;BingoBoingo;lolton
1724403;1507835070;BingoBoingo;*Lolrton
1724404;1507836141;BingoBoingo;!!up gribble
1724405;1507836142;deedbot;gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
1724406;1507836144;mircea_popescu;heh
1724407;1507836147;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1724408;1507836156;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5275.02, vol: 19011.87 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 5370.9, vol: 3310.15 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5314.9, vol: 74586.75 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 5288.01, vol: 17322.93 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5279.3, vol: 7739.98 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 5283.88, vol: 11248.65 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 5221.67, vol: 4224.79 | Volume-weighted last average: 5299.93
1724409;1507836166;asciilifeform;;;goxlag
1724410;1507836166;gribble;Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
1724411;1507836168;asciilifeform;eh.
1724412;1507837238;ben_vulpes;and in other misdirections: keys.gnupg.net
1724413;1507837287;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: looks like just another sks ?
1724414;1507837313;ben_vulpes;really? i get redirected to analytics.sumptuouscapital.com
1724415;1507837335;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes might want to have a stern talk with his isp ?
1724416;1507837341;ben_vulpes;whoa yup.
1724417;1507837350;asciilifeform;btw here's an oddity : http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?search=polimedia.us&fingerprint=on&op=index
1724418;1507837369;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Kxo5O << archive.is sees it
1724419;1507837388;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu , didja know that they display a 'pub  4096R/2FB7B452 2014-06-16 *** KEY REVOKED *** [not verified]' ?
1724420;1507837408;asciilifeform;what, i wonder, is this 'verified' business
1724421;1507837409;ben_vulpes;this actually seems to be a chrome wtf?
1724422;1507837430;trinque;says over here "It works!" default html page
1724423;1507837461;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: just nao tested on 2 chromes, loads as pictured on archive link
1724424;1507837465;asciilifeform;definitely not chromism
1724425;1507837476;mircea_popescu;no idea what this is. whi's they ?
1724426;1507837482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: koch
1724427;1507837494;*;mircea_popescu shrug.
1724428;1507837510;mircea_popescu;did you know there's a bunch of sites translating trilema and trying to sell adwords on the "content" ?
1724429;1507837524;ben_vulpes;local links shows correct page...
1724430;1507837545;mircea_popescu;sumptuouscapital lmao. wtf is wrong with these idiots. royal and empire and bs.
1724431;1507837559;mircea_popescu;reminds one of the early studio system minors battles.
1724432;1507837610;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr, pub   4096R/2FB7B452 2011-07-22. 2014 item prolly some fake or w/e.
1724433;1507837611;asciilifeform;http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=get&fingerprint=on&search=0x254F55242FB7B452 << >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DNY0M/?raw=true
1724434;1507837640;ben_vulpes;cleared browser data and now i get the right page
1724435;1507837645;ben_vulpes;what in the ever loving fuck
1724436;1507837659;ben_vulpes;OR A PAGE THAT LOOKS RIGHT
1724437;1507837668;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you know you sound a lot like porn surfers with infected setups with all this.
1724438;1507837679;asciilifeform;btw did everybody spot how the faek was made
1724439;1507837683;asciilifeform;or need finger point ?
1724440;1507837703;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: $work demands infectable browser, what can i say
1724441;1507837706;mircea_popescu;i expect ye olde "copy signature on anything, gpg is happy"
1724442;1507837710;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope
1724443;1507837712;asciilifeform;it's a valid sig
1724444;1507837720;mircea_popescu;eh ?
1724445;1507837723;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i have not spotted
1724446;1507837744;asciilifeform;oh ffs
1724447;1507837746;mircea_popescu;srsly, ppl downloading my sig from keys.gnupg.net can end up with a fake replacing the original ?
1724448;1507837752;asciilifeform;folx you don't know mircea_popescu's longfp ?!
1724449;1507837765;asciilifeform;0x8A736F0E2FB7B452 << genuine mp
1724450;1507837766;mircea_popescu;!!key mircea_popescu
1724451;1507837767;gribble;Error: "!key" is not a valid command.
1724452;1507837768;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.asc
1724453;1507837771;asciilifeform;0x8907923DC95594B2 << faek
1724454;1507837777;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1724455;1507837782;asciilifeform;or nope
1724456;1507837786;asciilifeform;0x254F55242FB7B452 <<
1724457;1507837787;asciilifeform;faek.
1724458;1507837789;mircea_popescu;so someone actually took the trouble to mine a collision ?
1724459;1507837794;asciilifeform;cheapo collision
1724460;1507837796;asciilifeform;dollar store
1724461;1507837798;asciilifeform;( 32-bit )
1724462;1507837803;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should be flattered.
1724463;1507837805;trinque;ftr I get a "not found" on the above link.
1724464;1507837806;asciilifeform;but Somebody Cared!1111
1724465;1507837823;ben_vulpes;there is also "This key was generated as part of the Evil32 project. It is not owned by the user descrived in the UID"
1724466;1507837829;asciilifeform;trinque, ben_vulpes : Great Firewall of Great Again already being betatested eh
1724467;1507837830;mircea_popescu;heh mk.
1724468;1507837869;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: reading from top down is cheating!1111
1724469;1507837893;mircea_popescu;cheating is the only acceptable mode.
1724470;1507837901;asciilifeform;also memorize at least good chunks of friends' hashes , it is not a waste of brain cell
1724471;1507837901;ben_vulpes;hey, all the other crap i've chewed through because linked here is inscrutable when i read the last chapter first
1724472;1507837903;ben_vulpes;eg crc
1724473;1507837923;trinque;looks like something fucky with their DNS setup, possibly one or more of the servers in rotation is misconfigured
1724474;1507837926;ben_vulpes;what's the trilema article in re "we're being probed
1724475;1507837929;ben_vulpes;" ?
1724476;1507837946;mircea_popescu;!~google site:trilema.com "being probed"
1724477;1507837947;trinque;chrome btw caches dns internally iirc
1724478;1507837970;ben_vulpes;google apparently really needs that site flag; such AI
1724479;1507837971;mircea_popescu;oh noes j got shoad
1724480;1507837991;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's been trying to pretend the rest of the world is writing interesting shit for the past year or so.
1724481;1507838006;mircea_popescu;whenever they noticed that trilema does 0.1% of volume gets 1/3 of keywords or somesuch.
1724482;1507838599;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Xqu8r/?raw=true << last one in the rotation is a busted server
1724483;1507838649;trinque;didn't bother checking all, but I don't so much suspect great firewall of MAGA as run of the mill ineptitude
1724484;1507838687;asciilifeform;that's a hefty bit of redundanthost...
1724485;1507838738;mircea_popescu;maybe they had a hdd that needed repairs.
1724486;1507839234;asciilifeform;re sks, might be lulzy to generate revokograms for phuctured keys and send to it. afaik they currently display ALL revokograms with the respective key. put whatever text you want...
1724487;1507839296;asciilifeform;( they also display ALL keys, incl. some misformatted. theoretically one could dump entire phuctor pubkeyset , incl. Framedragger's ssh conversions, in there.. )
1724488;1507839313;ben_vulpes;heh sounds like phun
1724489;1507839359;asciilifeform;i haven't been able to think of any practical reason to do this, so could not be moved. but anybody with copy of the db dump, can, if he feels like.
1724490;1507839424;asciilifeform;( iirc sks ~can~ be configured to reject pubs without selfsigs -- but not everyone did this )
1724491;1507841528;mircea_popescu;trinque here's a thought : write me a branded single page "how to" somewhere, and ima modify the pay for your tits thing to only work with deedbot invoices. can then use it to push teh service, how's that sound ?
1724492;1507841803;trinque;sounds like a great thing to me. will do.
1724493;1507842155;mircea_popescu;cool.
1724494;1507842186;mircea_popescu;once it's ready we'll get someone to hit the bimbo sites. shinohai you wanna do some work that way ? or should i have zinx hire some "Blackhat" lol.
1724495;1507842218;mircea_popescu;trinque but listen, you've seen them, right ? write for indiancandy. "Here is HOW TO get paid for tits!"
1724496;1507842228;mircea_popescu;lotta reassurance and lotta word-confirmation.
1724497;1507842265;trinque;lol, yeah I've talked to bimbos before
1724498;1507842283;mircea_popescu;:p
1724499;1507842338;mircea_popescu;trinque can prolly cannibalize large parts of eulora how-to-set-up-account guide, it's finetuned enough only about 50% of civillians end up needing handholding.
1724500;1507842343;shinohai;I'm game mircea_popescu ... have nothing better to do nowadays with no qntra and my twitter acct suspended.
1724501;1507842355;mircea_popescu;shinohai oh, you didn't want a reddit btw ?
1724502;1507842386;mircea_popescu;and what happened to jhv
1724503;1507842388;shinohai;Yeah, I'll use it when the above is ready to hit up the r/gonewilds, sexsells, etc
1724504;1507842432;shinohai;Trying to find new home for jhvh1 .... lost host, don't want to put on home box yet
1724505;1507842449;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1724506;1507842583;shinohai;Should xhamster pay me the buttcoins they owe me by end of week I'll have him back up in a jiffy.
1724507;1507842599;mircea_popescu;wouldja like a buttday advance ?
1724508;1507842639;shinohai;Can't hurt
1724509;1507842649;mircea_popescu;aite, invoice me.
1724510;1507842667;mircea_popescu;once we get the above sorted out, you can pay in stripper / camwhore forum/etc posting.
1724511;1507842723;shinohai;aite ... reading deedbot help now
1724512;1507842881;mircea_popescu;once tmsr isp is up we'll evidently also need a server for "vps" style shared accts.
1724513;1507842889;mircea_popescu;on top of the other for classic shared wp blogs etc.
1724514;1507842980;shinohai;If, when the isp is up, we need someone to manage a znc or weechat type service I can probably manage
1724515;1507843023;shinohai;YOU ARE HEREBY BANNED FOR JOIN/PART SPAM. If yu wish to recconect plox 2 purchase bouncer from deedbot, thx.
1724516;1507843043;mircea_popescu;not even a bad idea
1724517;1507843065;trinque;this is exactly the thing the deedbot subscription system is going to be angling for, btw.
1724518;1507843078;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
1724519;1507843104;trinque;items like hosted IRC, whatever other SaaS
1724520;1507843116;mircea_popescu;saas is a good move, everyone's lazy.
1724521;1507843140;mircea_popescu;it helps if it also works ; but apparently utter unworkitude is not dissuading the "business" world.
1724522;1507843938;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's pile o'boxen could hold a mighty lot of znc etc
1724523;1507843956;asciilifeform;once a place to plug'em in turns up.
1724524;1507843963;mircea_popescu;once homed ? yeah hehe.
1724525;1507843993;asciilifeform;they dun do much good sitting here in tortureroom, no.
1724526;1507844040;asciilifeform;though i've contemplated plugging the one designated for phuctor, in, and running it through some cheapo 1G-of-disk rental's ip, via home pipe
1724527;1507844055;asciilifeform;as temporary thing.
1724528;1507844087;trinque;I dunno why you wouldn't, really.
1724529;1507844109;asciilifeform;trinque: will need, laugh if you must, 2nd inverter
1724530;1507844112;trinque;do processing at undefined loc; do output at whichever dumpster of the week
1724531;1507844113;asciilifeform;current one's maxed
1724532;1507844114;mircea_popescu;lol
1724533;1507844118;trinque;oh lol
1724534;1507844131;mircea_popescu;btw, you have to pay a lot more attention to wattage when buying further boxes.
1724535;1507844142;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: opteron means 2x the usual wattage
1724536;1507844147;asciilifeform;really, surprised ?
1724537;1507844158;shinohai;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.05 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724510
1724538;1507844158;a111;Logged on 2017-10-12 21:11 mircea_popescu: once we get the above sorted out, you can pay in stripper / camwhore forum/etc posting.
1724539;1507844164;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/h2YEz/?raw=true
1724540;1507844171;mircea_popescu;and also, any amd fx 9500 for eg, in U config ?
1724541;1507844177;asciilifeform;those ain't ecc
1724542;1507844180;asciilifeform;so not interesting to asciilifeform
1724543;1507844183;asciilifeform;but prolly exist
1724544;1507844184;mircea_popescu;(amd produced different same chips, for dcs and for desktops. significant power diff)
1724545;1507844192;asciilifeform;afaik they were all hogs
1724546;1507844204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we had the fx 9500 ecc discussion like three times in the logs. they are.
1724547;1507844213;asciilifeform;chip supported, mobo didn't
1724548;1507844224;asciilifeform;so effectively a no
1724549;1507844227;mircea_popescu;desktop mobo isn't useful forracking anyway.
1724550;1507844240;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu remembers a u-form fx mobo -- plox to link.
1724551;1507844247;asciilifeform;can't hurt to have in the l0gz.
1724552;1507844257;mircea_popescu;i don't specifically, but this is exactly the point here.
1724553;1507844319;asciilifeform;while we're on subj -- the 'dumpster for ip, disks/cpu-horse elsewhere' gambit is (afaik pioneered, at least publicly, by mircea_popescu in mpex) imho a monumental thing
1724554;1507844334;mircea_popescu;it is.
1724555;1507844362;asciilifeform;fabricated warez complaint or whatever nonsense will 99% of the time take out the 'exit' box and not touch the other
1724556;1507844371;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform does microatx fit u1 ? i dun recall
1724557;1507844391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in principle almost anything can be stuffed into a u1; ~literally~ anything can stuff into a u2
1724558;1507844412;asciilifeform;headache is in that you'd have to drill it, find heat sinks that fit, adapt the standard sliding rail ps to fit your thing, etc
1724559;1507844474;asciilifeform;i've drilled various rackmount for custom internals ( currently fitting FG, incidentally , into u1 ) and it is a manual carpentry
1724560;1507844491;mircea_popescu;yeah none of that nonsense.
1724561;1507844512;asciilifeform;it's only even worth thinking about if no alternative.
1724562;1507844574;asciilifeform;microatx might be an exception, incidentally, it tends to be small, flat, passively cooled
1724563;1507844582;asciilifeform;'pcengines' racks a-ok
1724564;1507844603;asciilifeform;( you don't even strictly speaking need a u-case for it, can bolt 'ears' to the stock case )
1724565;1507844730;mircea_popescu;ftr, amd actually does the ecc in the chip itself.
1724566;1507844745;mircea_popescu;double bit detect single bit correct 144bit ddr3 sdram.
1724567;1507844756;mircea_popescu;which is why "non ecc boards work fine anyway"
1724568;1507844866;mircea_popescu;but that aside, eg ASUS M5A78L-M actually supports it through the very bios.
1724569;1507844933;mircea_popescu;(note that the whole sert-up, ie that mobo, a modest am3+ chip, a coupla mem banks and some minimal diskage should draw <1oo W)
1724570;1507844944;mircea_popescu;and that at max load.
1724571;1507846295;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the fun farms, http://78.media.tumblr.com/589660dbf388e0e58dcda2e525c10793/tumblr_no1awoaEX51urp2hro1_1280.jpg
1724572;1507846455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you need a mb that actually has the sockets for ecc dimms
1724573;1507846464;asciilifeform;these are not same as the luser dimms.
1724574;1507846480;asciilifeform;( elementarily, extra lines )
1724575;1507846518;mircea_popescu;yea.
1724576;1507846559;asciilifeform;oh here's one for mircea_popescu : asus M5A78L-M
1724577;1507846572;mircea_popescu;you don't actually read my lines do you.
1724578;1507846587;asciilifeform;i read the 'non-ecc board worx fine' and can attest that it does not
1724579;1507846595;asciilifeform;even if you have hammer to pound the nonfitting dimms in
1724580;1507846607;asciilifeform;oh hey there it is lol
1724581;1507846610;mircea_popescu;:p
1724582;1507846612;asciilifeform;i'ma ll-1 parser, wat.
1724583;1507846625;mircea_popescu;don't skip my blocks on first error, i often recover.
1724584;1507846634;asciilifeform;lolyea
1724585;1507846757;asciilifeform;the low-wattage amd champ, incidentally, is the g-series ( as in 'pcengines', 'gizmo', and other sageprobetronic boards ) -- whole box pulls 10-20w
1724586;1507846851;mircea_popescu;ideally about 120-130w per u1 profile. power is expensive in dcs
1724587;1507846863;mircea_popescu;(mostly because they don't want to deal with its waste product)
1724588;1507846907;asciilifeform;when asciilifeform was a sysop in early 2000s, the only racked item in the dc he ministered to that drew < 300 W, was a thermometer.
1724589;1507846961;mircea_popescu;lumea s-a schimbat
1724590;1507847095;asciilifeform;y'know them opterons dun actually ~pull~ those 700w here on my desk, mircea_popescu
1724591;1507847105;mircea_popescu;i believe.
1724592;1507847108;asciilifeform;that's a max, for if you fill the disk cage
1724593;1507847111;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724571  <<< I was almost afraid to look down, but nope - not a trap.
1724594;1507847111;a111;Logged on 2017-10-12 22:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the fun farms, http://78.media.tumblr.com/589660dbf388e0e58dcda2e525c10793/tumblr_no1awoaEX51urp2hro1_1280.jpg
1724595;1507847115;asciilifeform;typical moar like 300-400
1724596;1507847194;asciilifeform;incidentally, did we ever do the 'diskless racked box' thread ?
1724597;1507847216;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717739 << nm apparently we did
1724598;1507847216;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 02:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717726 << this reminded me of an ancient crackpotteriferous idea of mine: diskless, welded-shut box that boots into minimal sshiferous thing, privkey in boobytrapped sram etc. you fill it up remotely with os etc. and thereafter if power cut.
1724599;1507848877;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> 'pcengines' racks a-ok << Gotta mind hot/cold aisle distinction for self defense from other's heat if otherwise passively coolable
1724600;1507848918;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'passive' boxes cool through the ears.
1724601;1507848942;BingoBoingo;Still gotta keep out other motherfucker's hot air
1724602;1507849225;BingoBoingo;Maybe can count a bit on directionality of airflow provided by other fans, but... cable induced turbulence is a thing
1724603;1507850138;BingoBoingo;!!Up erlehmann
1724604;1507850139;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1724605;1507850171;erlehmann;i think i can up myself if i have something to say, but thanks
1724606;1507852071;asciilifeform;in other ffaism, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tdnsL/?raw=true
1724607;1507852118;asciilifeform;^ minimal moving parts for barrettron suggested by apeloyee
1724608;1507852144;asciilifeform;if anyone can see obvious 'this can be simpler' or 'this dun make sense' plz write in.
1724609;1507852245;asciilifeform;FZ_ShiftRight_Secret_SubW and FZ_ShiftLeft_Secret_SubW do exactly same thing as ye olde FZ_ShiftRight and FZ_ShiftLeft , but don't leak shift amt on machine w/out barrel shifter, at the cost of roughly 10x as much work
1724610;1507852285;asciilifeform;they are almost certainly unnecessary on a pc, but can't put it past intel & friends to 'optimize' shl/shr, at the very least in the 'do nothing if operand is 0' sense.
1724611;1507852395;asciilifeform;mod6, mircea_popescu , phf , et al ^
1724612;1507852659;asciilifeform;veteran ffaists will recognize the usual pattern -- do all of the possible ops that go into heaviest possible hamming weight of old-fashioned shiftness; but keep (via mux) only the required subshifts.
1724613;1507852775;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/s3As6/?raw=true << aaalmost forgot the log2 thing
1724614;1507852798;asciilifeform;and in the .ads,    BitnessLog2 : constant Positive := W_Log2(Word(Bitness));
1724615;1507852804;asciilifeform;^ happens during elaboration
1724616;1507852809;asciilifeform;that's all of it, i think.
1724617;1507853781;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks hey there.
1724618;1507853796;asciilifeform;meanwhile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lvGTgEBAw8 ( for orclang aficionados strictly )
1724619;1507853806;mircea_popescu;!!key ccmtacks
1724620;1507853807;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/A213A38BE8660D713C0A69B3B9EB9E5F4DE45E7A.asc
1724621;1507853853;asciilifeform;'Gori Njujork, Pentagon se pali,/ Ameriko, dali su ti, dali. / Gori Njujork, Pentagon se ruši, / Krajišnici, vraćajmo se kući. / Šta će sada u Zаgrebu vlada, / Amerika na kolena pada...'
1724622;1507853879;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/afD5t/?raw=true
1724623;1507855171;shinohai;Someone claims to have obtained copy of sound used in Cuban attax http://archive.is/XmrAa
1724624;1507855196;shinohai;I'll be back in a week when the vomiting, dizziness, and diarrhea subside.
1724625;1507855344;asciilifeform;'questions of a possible microwave or radio wave device .... If that were the case, the sounds wouldn’t show up on a recording' << and anyone should believe the clip is genuine article precisely why.
1724626;1507855415;asciilifeform;sounds, btw, entirely not unlike 'microwaved' audio pickup .
1724627;1507855779;ben_vulpes;so i'm fiddling with some source delivery pipeline, and i discover that some asshole has put executable code into his cl .asd files; which i suppose is fine in some circumstances, but i'm doing Terrible Things over here and the asd's aren't getting concatenated with everything else and so just to add another entry to my list of folks whose decisions have made my life harder i look this dude up and can ya
1724628;1507855780;ben_vulpes;believe it he proudly writes ethereum shits now
1724629;1507855805;asciilifeform;wat's a source delivery pipeline
1724630;1507855834;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, i can make a plain light colorized image of an ultraviolet source, but i can't make a sound pattern of some microwave ?
1724631;1507855839;mircea_popescu;wtf, nobody goes to school anymore ?
1724632;1507855868;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anybody can make anything out of anything, esp. if the inputs are fictional.
1724633;1507855878;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: tiny set of scripts to get all of the source for a project from box a to box b
1724634;1507855879;mircea_popescu;that's part 2 of our show.
1724635;1507855915;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i am entirely unsurprised. the "scale bitcoin" shitheads + the "exciting blockchain technologee" shitheads + the "we are marketing" dogeheads are pretty much === the cancer that has eaten foss.
1724636;1507855966;asciilifeform;http://www.gods-and-monsters.com/images/cynocephalos.jpg << oblig dogehead
1724637;1507856613;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/IkTH9/?raw=true << current ffascisms list. and growing!
1724638;1507856636;ccmtacks;mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7CSPJ/?raw=true
1724639;1507856776;asciilifeform;err, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wBiWg/?raw=true << minus the cruft
1724640;1507856788;asciilifeform;^ mod6 et al
1724641;1507856789;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks say !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.0145
1724642;1507856835;trinque;sec, lemme add his key to the right box
1724643;1507856840;mircea_popescu;lol
1724644;1507856843;trinque;there's an append only thing that doesn't exist yet
1724645;1507856898;*;mod6 looks
1724646;1507856915;ccmtacks;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.0145
1724647;1507856925;deedbot;You must be registered.
1724648;1507856926;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks give it one moment, trinque has to fiddle the bot's guts.
1724649;1507856946;ccmtacks;ok
1724650;1507857003;trinque;ok give it another crank
1724651;1507857014;mircea_popescu;trinque is this crushing you btw ? should slow down ?
1724652;1507857021;trinque;nah it's the good kind of pain
1724653;1507857025;mircea_popescu;lol
1724654;1507857036;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks hit it nao.
1724655;1507857037;trinque;I always start with human mechanisms and then speed 'em up
1724656;1507857049;mircea_popescu;me too. it's the only right way to symbian.
1724657;1507857056;trinque;haw!
1724658;1507857060;mod6;haha
1724659;1507857069;ccmtacks;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.0145
1724660;1507857075;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/N06e7/?raw=true
1724661;1507857079;asciilifeform;whenever i think 'human mechanism' i think of the (terrible) film 'snowpiercer'
1724662;1507857079;mircea_popescu;!!help
1724663;1507857079;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1724664;1507857096;*;trinque wiggles hand at asciilifeform
1724665;1507857105;asciilifeform;lol
1724666;1507857131;mircea_popescu;hm, there's no way to pay it without the number, huh. !!received-invoices step mandatory.
1724667;1507857167;trinque;I could have it burp the invoice number in logs if people don't care that it does
1724668;1507857176;mircea_popescu;im sure they do.
1724669;1507857209;trinque;I'd have thought so yeah
1724670;1507857210;mircea_popescu;the right thing would be for it to execute !!pay name if unambiguous and protest otherwise it needs an invoice number (or heck, just pay everything ?)
1724671;1507857218;mircea_popescu;but still up in the air this, needs more human strokes.
1724672;1507857258;trinque;anyhow ccmtacks gotta pass the decrypted otp back to deedbot like with !!up
1724673;1507857269;mircea_popescu;maybe have a magic !!pay joe all ? and btw, why is it not simply !!pay ?
1724674;1507857284;trinque;I don't like overloading commands
1724675;1507857286;*;mircea_popescu hates typin'.
1724676;1507857294;ccmtacks;I got decryped otp
1724677;1507857297;trinque;that sends a defined amount to a person, hasn't to do with invoicing
1724678;1507857308;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks say !!v wit it
1724679;1507857310;trinque;don't want people sending 3 btc when they meant pay invoice 3
1724680;1507857321;mircea_popescu;trinque o shit i should have just sent it to him huh. my bad, still new at this.
1724681;1507857322;ccmtacks;!!v 56988162BA62D0ED252CC97D66917B8BDA0B156175326682ED0A3942D6598114
1724682;1507857327;deedbot;Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.0145 <<
1724683;1507857331;mircea_popescu;!!received-invoices
1724684;1507857335;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NgPRW/?raw=true
1724685;1507857336;ccmtacks;done
1724686;1507857340;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks 1sec
1724687;1507857402;mircea_popescu;!!pay-invoice ccmtacks 1
1724688;1507857406;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mmRdg/?raw=true
1724689;1507857416;mircea_popescu;trinque oh it counts PER NICK. this is very workable then.
1724690;1507857424;mircea_popescu;i daresay it's the right thing as it is.
1724691;1507857434;trinque;yep, unique between you and other party
1724692;1507857445;trinque;i.e. if you invoice him it'll be 2
1724693;1507857447;mircea_popescu;ya, perfect.
1724694;1507857455;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bzzrrapp.jpg << meanwhile in n00b spot welds
1724695;1507857465;mircea_popescu;this way you have a passive "your books and my books gotta match yo" extra accounbting check there.
1724696;1507857540;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks you're good to go. can see your btc wallet with !!balance and can also !!withdraw if you wanna sell it etc.
1724697;1507857553;mircea_popescu;or can keep it there, it's safe. DO NOT LOSE YOUR PGP KEY though.
1724698;1507857570;mircea_popescu;!!pay-invoice shinohai 1
1724699;1507857574;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wCABz/?raw=true
1724700;1507857595;ccmtacks;!!balance
1724701;1507857601;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/88yjG/?raw=true
1724702;1507857641;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks sorry i fucked it up. try again now.
1724703;1507857714;ccmtacks;!!balance
1724704;1507857719;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dB4Wx/?raw=true
1724705;1507857812;mircea_popescu;shinohai http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iLf2O/?raw=true
1724706;1507858072;ccmtacks;!!withdraw 0.0145 32uGGc1G4Cytie5zXa8gGWZJvdyM2KncX5
1724707;1507858078;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rJfgy/?raw=true
1724708;1507858112;ccmtacks;!!v  22201C7FC5E2694EBCF2F5240D0507A41EE8C2F0FDC7C2179622E424142A1556
1724709;1507858260;ccmtacks;mircea_popescu, during the withdraw process, if I don't receive any response from deedbot, when I give him the encrypted OTP, does it mean that I have to do all the process again ?
1724710;1507858277;mircea_popescu;you put an extra space after the v
1724711;1507858316;ccmtacks;I did left one
1724712;1507858318;ccmtacks;I will try again
1724713;1507858337;ccmtacks;!!withdraw 0.0145 32uGGc1G4Cytie5zXa8gGWZJvdyM2KncX5
1724714;1507858343;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MM0w3/?raw=true
1724715;1507858355;trinque;hold on. what are addresses starting with 3 again?
1724716;1507858362;asciilifeform;!
1724717;1507858365;mircea_popescu;trinque it doesn't pay 3s ?
1724718;1507858394;asciilifeform;how would trb pay a 3, lol
1724719;1507858400;mircea_popescu;doh.
1724720;1507858407;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks need proper bitcoin address, 1-led.
1724721;1507858412;ccmtacks;!!v 58E3CD3F416C32C575F676B62CC83B062D2AF5E9E7D384C3F3150E2817C6F44A
1724722;1507858417;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/olvC7/?raw=true
1724723;1507858489;ccmtacks;mircea_popescu, I've received a message from deedbot that the amount of coins will be transfered to desired btc address
1724724;1507858498;ccmtacks;so I guess everything is fine now
1724725;1507858500;trinque;...
1724726;1507858508;trinque;lol, hi ccmtacks. I'm the operator of deedbot
1724727;1507858509;asciilifeform;trinque: looks like eggog ?
1724728;1507858514;trinque;not eggog, it's a string
1724729;1507858517;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks yeah but trinque runs it and if he says it won't then i tend to believe him.
1724730;1507858559;trinque;asciilifeform: there's no hot wallet here; I'm marching my ass over to another box and making signed tx, then popping into a trb with polarbeard patch for sendrawtransaction
1724731;1507858579;ccmtacks;ah, sorry trinque, I didn't know that
1724732;1507858580;mircea_popescu;this sounds like great slavegirl punishment.
1724733;1507858589;asciilifeform;woah srs hand-crank reactor rod control
1724734;1507858594;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks sorry for all the hassle ; re-do once more, use a 1something address like god meant it.
1724735;1507858649;trinque;idea is to tighten the loop until it is a matter of <1min
1724736;1507858658;mircea_popescu;i believe.
1724737;1507858677;trinque;then from there, hot wallet, but one where refilling it is both human operated and quite easy
1724738;1507858761;mircea_popescu;in other news, zinx sex got camhos lined up for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724491 already.
1724739;1507858761;a111;Logged on 2017-10-12 20:52 mircea_popescu: trinque here's a thought : write me a branded single page "how to" somewhere, and ima modify the pay for your tits thing to only work with deedbot invoices. can then use it to push teh service, how's that sound ?
1724740;1507858762;ccmtacks;!!withdraw 0.0145 1JxsMSnFZdNdVnnDqiTV4aAYM3sESdbPrE
1724741;1507858768;mircea_popescu;obviously, i mean sez not sex. but anyway.
1724742;1507858771;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tMA6k/?raw=true
1724743;1507858895;ccmtacks;!!v  9E0C56CF6821F571DF1F6D81BC05291FD0506A8F574D423CAA51B1650FF6DD29
1724744;1507858908;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks say the !!v again, single space.
1724745;1507858919;ccmtacks;!!v  9E0C56CF6821F571DF1F6D81BC05291FD0506A8F574D423CAA51B1650FF6DD29
1724746;1507858933;mircea_popescu;still two spaces...
1724747;1507858940;ccmtacks;I don't get it, I only type one space and it gives me two
1724748;1507858946;mircea_popescu;that's weird.
1724749;1507858946;ccmtacks;!!v 9E0C56CF6821F571DF1F6D81BC05291FD0506A8F574D423CAA51B1650FF6DD29
1724750;1507858952;mircea_popescu;say there you go.
1724751;1507858953;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ybrnj/?raw=true
1724752;1507858986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out, macs give double \n windows give double \s
1724753;1507859009;ccmtacks;ok, I believe that now is everything ok
1724754;1507859013;mircea_popescu;well done!
1724755;1507859035;trinque;ccmtacks: actual amount will be less the tx fee. I'll fire that off in a bit.
1724756;1507859049;mircea_popescu;o darn i forgot the tx fee.
1724757;1507859067;ccmtacks;trinque: ok, no problem at all.
1724758;1507859078;trinque;nbd. there needs to be a whole tx weighing mechanism in order to let people know what that amount will be in the response.
1724759;1507859107;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks next time, remind me i'll tack on an extra coupla bucks.
1724760;1507859168;ccmtacks;ok mate, no problem. I wanted to ask you regarding the fees, however, this time I've just been looking to do everything right
1724761;1507859199;mircea_popescu;anyway, simple way to sell anything for bitcoin : get a !!deposit from deedbot, give out that address.
1724762;1507859219;trinque;well, give out the amount. otherwise it's not going to right account
1724763;1507859235;mircea_popescu;make sure you get exact ammts though, otherwise there's trouble. if deedbot says 0.044236666 then make sure op sends exactly, all the way to the 6666.
1724764;1507859240;trinque;sorry, jumped the gun.
1724765;1507859252;trinque;this thing obviously pairs up with a buy/sell board quite well
1724766;1507859258;trinque;so much to do
1724767;1507859258;mircea_popescu;aha
1724768;1507859303;mircea_popescu;trinque zinx ran me a grand or so so far, but i would way the fuck rather blow a grand on that than what the fuck is the alternative
1724769;1507859316;mircea_popescu;pay a coupla dumb hos who don't even hooker for a living to sit among some plastic shits at a "conference", spend 10x that much ?
1724770;1507859332;mircea_popescu;noty.
1724771;1507859458;ccmtacks;Noted, I've read a lot of the help material, so I actually get it how it all works now, well a good part of it :)
1724772;1507859494;mircea_popescu;ccmtacks the important part is that unlike websites etc it's actually secure.
1724773;1507859511;mircea_popescu;as long as you keep your rsa key safe, of course.
1724774;1507859527;ccmtacks;yeah, I get it now
1724775;1507859536;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in random labia, http://78.media.tumblr.com/85972afe2d38a48d1e31533b4b622a27/tumblr_nj0q3hJycj1rvrgfvo3_1280.jpg
1724776;1507859540;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i don't get it, i can make a plain light colorized image of an ultraviolet source, but i can't make a sound pattern of some microwave ? << AHA, like "traffic safety" radar
1724777;1507859620;trinque;mircea_popescu: I'm gonna post a tutorial on deedbot.org tonight, and also hook up the newb nick+key conveyor
1724778;1507859655;mircea_popescu;trinque don't sweat it, she'll do it when i tell her to, what. tomorrow, monday, whatever.
1724779;1507859722;trinque;aite
1724780;1507859735;trinque;buy sell board does appear within reach now huh.
1724781;1507859737;mircea_popescu;take it ezzy so you last teh long haul.
1724782;1507859753;mircea_popescu;trinque can directly push lobbes 's bot into it, what more is needed ? we have all the parts.
1724783;1507859787;mircea_popescu;~only thing really needed is proper hosting.
1724784;1507859817;trinque;oh hey it's got auctions, doesn't it
1724785;1507859834;trinque;!@help
1724786;1507859860;trinque;!Qhelp
1724787;1507859860;lobbesbot;trinque: http://lobbesblog.com/lobbesbotcommands
1724788;1507859869;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724705   <<< ty mircea_popescu will do! :)
1724789;1507859869;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 01:23 mircea_popescu: shinohai http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iLf2O/?raw=true
1724790;1507859975;mircea_popescu;trinque definitely, check it out on http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-11.log.html#t21:42:21
1724791;1507859976;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-10-11 21:42:21: <diana_coman> !QAuction 2.86mn 48 29173 Flotsam q62
1724792;1507860114;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4aUZ8/?raw=true Jolo returns from his day off
1724793;1507860136;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo eh i really don't need all of these.
1724794;1507860326;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: k, I'll wait for ones with numbers
1724795;1507860356;asciilifeform;'we only need one victory' (tm)(r)
1724796;1507860459;mircea_popescu;god's honest truth.
1724797;1507860825;BingoBoingo;Still, the Asian cador continues to impress.
1724798;1507860949;BingoBoingo;!!Up saot
1724799;1507860949;deedbot;saot voiced for 30 minutes.
1724800;1507860983;saot;Hi there
1724801;1507860988;saot;I'm just lurking
1724802;1507861007;BingoBoingo;Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1724803;1507861078;saot;i don't know what he does, he wrecks his life
1724804;1507861131;BingoBoingo;Oh, is that good or bad for you?
1724805;1507861213;saot;bad but it doesn't affect me
1724806;1507861309;BingoBoingo;Maybe one of these days hitting a rock bottom will give him an opportunity for a spiritual experience? Anyways, what are you lurking for?
1724807;1507861475;saot;some mental stimulation, cool corners of the internet are good to find unusual options
1724808;1507861481;saot;i think this is one of them
1724809;1507861686;BingoBoingo;So, who's your favorite? Any memes here you are a fan of?
1724810;1507861851;saot;I like 4chan but recently i find it boring
1724811;1507861920;BingoBoingo;Ah, why not register a key? Make yourself at home?
1724812;1507861927;saot;i'm not fan of a specific meme but throwing communists out of helicopters sounds fun
1724813;1507861988;saot;how do i do it?
1724814;1507862007;BingoBoingo;!!help
1724815;1507862008;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1724816;1507862019;BingoBoingo;^ There are the instructions
1724817;1507863057;BingoBoingo;!!up saot
1724818;1507863058;deedbot;saot voiced for 30 minutes.
1724819;1507864270;BingoBoingo;So, anyone in the Repulic have any ideas on network switching equipment?
1724820;1507865015;ben_vulpes;my trinqulator sez "mac mini with openbsd"
1724821;1507865043;trinque;lol
1724822;1507865058;*;trinque checks over his shoulder
1724823;1507865632;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724819 << >> http://rw9hyy.tsu.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IMG_6926.jpg
1724824;1507865632;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 03:11 BingoBoingo: So, anyone in the Repulic have any ideas on network switching equipment?
1724825;1507865639;BingoBoingo;How many mac minis are necessary to bond together a 14 Gbps link to the worl?
1724826;1507865659;BingoBoingo;lol alf
1724827;1507865955;mod6;haha
1724828;1507866629;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://ua1osm.forum2x2.ru/t18-topic << maaany great switchings to choose from!
1724829;1507866659;asciilifeform;^ last one -- from t34.
1724830;1507866703;BingoBoingo;Well, AA battery as power supply means won't interfere with heat envelope too much
1724831;1507866958;asciilifeform;hey BingoBoingo didja have toys like https://49.img.avito.st/640x480/3519579249.jpg in '80s gringolandia ?
1724832;1507866993;asciilifeform;^ exact item asciilifeform had; somewhat surprised that it turned up on www with minimal effort
1724833;1507867007;BingoBoingo;Actually, sort of. As late as 1994-ish
1724834;1507867024;asciilifeform;https://57.img.avito.st/640x480/3519579257.jpg << better pic
1724835;1507867095;BingoBoingo;Were sold at local bookstore. There was even electricity kit where lightbulb, battery, and wire was offered.
1724836;1507867105;asciilifeform;not quite same
1724837;1507867139;asciilifeform;here was explicit teaching of useful 13337ski111z for dyin'formotherland
1724838;1507867209;BingoBoingo;Ah not quite the same then, thing I am thinking of came in box same size and shape as "poptarts". Sold as "you know school sucks too much to teach this"
1724839;1507868494;BingoBoingo;!!Up gribble
1724840;1507868494;gribble;Error: "!Up" is not a valid command.
1724841;1507868495;deedbot;gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
1724842;1507868501;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1724843;1507868508;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5798.99, vol: 24018.43 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 5889.0, vol: 3789.33 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5808.9, vol: 105254.63 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 5790.0, vol: 29298.53 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5799.9, vol: 10452.24 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 5782.07, vol: 17737.44 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 5836.8, vol: 6258.49 | Volume-weighted last average: 5804.41
1724844;1507868518;BingoBoingo;Now that's a crashing!
1724845;1507868774;mircea_popescu;holy shit we're crashed all the way almost!
1724846;1507868841;mircea_popescu;http://78.media.tumblr.com/3b5b00a7122d7f4e6108b93d934361ba/tumblr_o8ty5hVVdh1uwe6two3_1280.jpg << speaking of mini-macs with open-bsds...
1724847;1507868916;deedbot;shinohai: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ly3Vw/?raw=true
1724848;1507868926;deedbot;ccmtacks: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fGVdK/?raw=true
1724849;1507868947;mircea_popescu;this shit's a wonder to watch at work.
1724850;1507868952;trinque;^ lemme know if those look goofy. process that spat them out is brand new.
1724851;1507868955;trinque;should be good tho
1724852;1507869133;mircea_popescu;seem fine to me.
1724853;1507871485;mircea_popescu;aaand in the same female form, http://78.media.tumblr.com/70ef88d8decb2378fbd1a988b156ec79/tumblr_np0p0rapsi1shmurko6_1280.jpg
1724854;1507876524;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ << Trilema - Remember the security hole Automattic refused to fix back in 2014 ?
1724855;1507876524;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ << Trilema - Remember the security hole Automattic refused to fix back in 2014 ?
1724856;1507876590;mircea_popescu;heh
1724857;1507891397;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724608 << for some reason the subword shift is in-place, whereas the full-word shift isn't
1724858;1507891397;a111;Logged on 2017-10-12 23:49 asciilifeform: if anyone can see obvious 'this can be simpler' or 'this dun make sense' plz write in.
1724859;1507893486;apeloyee;e.g. the right shift main loop would look like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XEvpD/?raw=true
1724860;1507893593;apeloyee;by the way, the bot which saved pastes on archive.is doesn't seem to do it anymore.
1724861;1507900403;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724859 << nifty variant, i'ma see how it compares speedwise
1724862;1507900403;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 11:18 apeloyee: e.g. the right shift main loop would look like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XEvpD/?raw=true
1724863;1507900443;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724860 << trinque was this a deedbot feature ?
1724864;1507900443;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 11:19 apeloyee: by the way, the bot which saved pastes on archive.is doesn't seem to do it anymore.
1724865;1507900523;shinohai;asciilifeform: think it was a scriba feature .... though bot appears to be present
1724866;1507902135;mod6;mornin'
1724867;1507902202;mod6;that's a mighty useful feature too btw.
1724868;1507902223;mod6;we've gotta have that.
1724869;1507903130;shinohai;Heya mod6 .... morning
1724870;1507903144;mod6;how you doin' shinohai?
1724871;1507903230;shinohai;Not too bad, got jhvh1 back online now catching up on logs
1724872;1507903238;mod6;sweet
1724873;1507903252;mod6;ive been writing unit test for ffa
1724874;1507903381;shinohai;Awesum ... I'm going to take a look at the thing asciilifeform posted last night later, gotta get Excedrin for preemptive strike on headaches lol
1724875;1507906302;mod6;haha. werd.
1724876;1507906435;mod6;i don't have a ton of coverage yet -- just mainly around the fz bitwise ops, fz_add, fz_mult, handfull of others.
1724877;1507906492;mod6;im hoping to get some tests around the shifting procedures possibly today or this weekend.  alf's latest changes from yesterday would fit into that as well.
1724878;1507906561;mod6;i hope to glean some deeper understanding of the secret shifting from these tests as well.
1724879;1507906699;mod6;im certain that even the tests that I do have are missing certain cases -- but its a starting point.  and when I publish these, the hope is that people here can help fill in the gaps of the coverage so we can use this as a means to ensure that we do not regress as changes occur to the code.
1724880;1507906799;mod6;again, these are unit tests, not functional, integration, or performance tests.  meaning: i simply call a (so far public) procedure/function within ffa with specific parameters, and expect specific outputs.
1724881;1507906951;mod6;once we have some solid unit tests in place, i'll look at some functional tests as a higher-level way to ensure we don't regress as well.  but that's a bit later yet.
1724882;1507906984;mod6;probably won't even start until we're closer to a finalized version of ffa.
1724883;1507907367;asciilifeform;mod6: the key imho re a ffa tester, is that it gotta exist ~outside~ of ffa, and use a traditional, known-to-produce-correct-numberz ( and ideally, more than one ) arithm stack
1724884;1507907395;asciilifeform;mod6: my current ( unpublished, quite yet, because it relies on details of 'p' ) item, uses python's
1724885;1507907403;mod6;sure.
1724886;1507907410;asciilifeform;mod6: you could just as readily use, e.g., gnu 'bc'
1724887;1507907420;mod6;that's more of a higher-level, functional style test.
1724888;1507907424;asciilifeform;or perl; or even mpi(c)
1724889;1507907472;mod6;i believe there to be a lot of merit to having unit tests around the specific procedures and functions in ffa.
1724890;1507907493;asciilifeform;mod6: whichever type of test you're making, it certainly won't hurt.
1724891;1507907513;mod6;so, that's what I'm spending time on now anyway.  and, making good progress in a short amount of time.  however, ya, many gaps i msure.
1724892;1507907516;mod6;*im sure
1724893;1507907521;asciilifeform;the tricky bit is to avoid getting into 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' trap.
1724894;1507907534;mod6;say what
1724895;1507907549;asciilifeform;'now gotta write tests for the tests' etc
1724896;1507907562;mod6;ah. right.
1724897;1507907579;mod6;well, they're hopefully clear enough to be understood.
1724898;1507907581;asciilifeform;some ops you can easily check result of, by hand ( shifts, add/sub )
1724899;1507907585;mod6;right.
1724900;1507907625;mod6;we'll see how hairy it gets :]
1724901;1507907632;asciilifeform;have fun mod6
1724902;1507907641;mod6;the fz_mux wasn't too bad, etc.
1724903;1507907644;asciilifeform;keep in mind that ffa ( esp. the more recent items ) will change.
1724904;1507907668;asciilifeform;and incidentally don't assume that the current forms, are the ideal and shortest/clearest possible
1724905;1507907674;mod6;to understand the thing, one can simply do the: B ^ ((S - 1) & (A ^ B)) on a calc
1724906;1507907689;asciilifeform;it is quite conceivable that you can turn up an improved/cycle-shaving/clearer etc version of this or that
1724907;1507907698;asciilifeform;apeloyee for instance did today
1724908;1507907735;mod6;aha, this indeed may be the case - something found.  but the main interest "does it do what it ~should~ do, given these inputs"
1724909;1507907770;asciilifeform;aha
1724910;1507907772;mod6;that's the aim anyway.  but, yah, might find something along the way too.
1724911;1507907790;mod6;ANNND.  hopefully will grok moar as well.
1724912;1507907812;mod6;a way of doing necessary work, and forcing myself to do the maff at the same time.
1724913;1507907828;asciilifeform;mod6: there are serious ughs that need fixing, also. for instance to get rid of 'Natural' and 'Positive' and throw out the mess of conversions to and from Word
1724914;1507907854;asciilifeform;the current item is problematic on (hypothetical, i don't have one for which gnat builds) 8-bit archs
1724915;1507907866;asciilifeform;because 8 bits is not enough to index a useful number of 8-bit words
1724916;1507907875;mod6;The hope here is... when these changes are made, the given inputs still match the expected outputs.
1724917;1507907876;trinque; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724863 << nope, not deedbot. Framedragger's bot?
1724918;1507907876;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 13:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724860 << trinque was this a deedbot feature ?
1724919;1507907905;*;mod6 looks
1724920;1507907919;asciilifeform;so there has to be a synthetic (i.e. Unsigned_32 ) type , that on archs that have narrower bitness than that, ends up a doubleword
1724921;1507907929;asciilifeform;and FZ array gotta be indexed ~by~ it
1724922;1507907945;asciilifeform;note that this will result in exactly the same binary as builds now, on pc
1724923;1507907952;mod6;see... i thought so too.. because yesterday i was digging up our conversation from august of '15 where we were looking at gnupg -- that night we had like 69 pastes.
1724924;1507907962;asciilifeform;but will make the code 1) more readable 2) buildable for 8bit, in theory, cpu
1724925;1507907968;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724860 << god damn it, nothing worse than unreliable archives.
1724926;1507907968;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 11:19 apeloyee: by the way, the bot which saved pastes on archive.is doesn't seem to do it anymore.
1724927;1507907969;mod6;and Framedragger came along and did that handy thing and archived all that stuff.  really, can't live without that bot.
1724928;1507907984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik it was a scriba feature. Framedragger !!1111
1724929;1507907986;asciilifeform;i tend to distrust archives, save things manually
1724930;1507907994;asciilifeform;esp. archives run by fuckknowswhom
1724931;1507907994;mod6;that is fair.
1724932;1507908001;mod6;but for the ages.
1724933;1507908012;mod6;unless you wanna give me access to your drive
1724934;1507908014;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform theoretically it also gets the zips. at least iirc.
1724935;1507908050;asciilifeform;archives are a necessary thing, but really oughta be auto-mirrored
1724936;1507908058;mod6;<+asciilifeform> so there has to be a synthetic (i.e. Unsigned_32 ) type , that on archs that have narrower bitness than that, ends up a doubleword << ah, i see.
1724937;1507908064;asciilifeform;1 d00d and his box is really quite same as ' asciilifeform's hdd '
1724938;1507908111;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1724939;1507908119;mod6;it adds so much to the history though.  being able to see wtf we were talking about.
1724940;1507908124;mircea_popescu;i am loath to put "and load this website" into the eg log bot spec.
1724941;1507908133;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah.
1724942;1507908135;asciilifeform;mod6: current ffa has no problem building and running with 32bit word; but it will not do useful work in 8/16bit msdos, and this needs fix ( i described simple fix above. my priority atm tho is barrettron and practical rsa demo )
1724943;1507908157;mod6;asciilifeform: sure.  makes sense.
1724944;1507908192;mod6;anyway, i don't wanna be a distraction.  am simply, hopefully, on a useful side-quest.
1724945;1507908204;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724903 << this is why i wouldn't recommend writing tests for it for any other reason than learning / checking. it's a prototype yet, only the growth spur should be checked as it were.
1724946;1507908204;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 15:14 asciilifeform: keep in mind that ffa ( esp. the more recent items ) will change.
1724947;1507908212;asciilifeform;mod6: even if you only read it, and did not write, it is still not wasted time
1724948;1507908223;asciilifeform;i intend for the whole lot of l1, to eventually read it
1724949;1507908234;asciilifeform;and understand it the way a man packing a parachute understands.
1724950;1507908252;mod6;agreed ^
1724951;1507908256;asciilifeform;in the end you will have 'written ffa' nearly same as asciilifeform had.
1724952;1507908274;asciilifeform;or at any rate this is the condition for success
1724953;1507908275;trinque;actually mircea_popescu's solution to forcing miners to hold all blocks could conceivably used to hire hosting for the archive from whoever has space. folks register with eg deedbot, must produce hash of all archived items at interval to receive a small bitcoin payout, flowing from subscribers to the archive service.
1724954;1507908283;mod6;mircea_popescu: understood.  it is more a learning process than anything at this point.
1724955;1507908303;mircea_popescu;trinque entirely feasible but let's revisit in next year.
1724956;1507908307;trinque;must also provide a web endpoint for the archive, etc
1724957;1507908311;mircea_popescu;mod6 yee
1724958;1507908313;trinque;sure, not going to break ground on it
1724959;1507908362;mircea_popescu;mod6 in any case don't completely abandon the trb-v castle, you're like our last guy there i fear
1724960;1507908366;asciilifeform;trinque, mircea_popescu : this is actually a variation on an ancient and imho interesting theme, the 'aeternity service' or what was it called, early attempt at 'bitcoinism' and p2p warez combo, 'proof of storage'
1724961;1507908369;mircea_popescu;which, incindentally, is pretty terrible.
1724962;1507908376;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1724963;1507908405;mod6;mircea_popescu: aha, indeed Sir.
1724964;1507908450;mod6;speaking of trinque's usage of polarbeard's rawtx vpatch -- im planning to get deeper into that this month.
1724965;1507908468;mircea_popescu;should ideally be v-ified properly etc.
1724966;1507908479;mircea_popescu;!~seen polarbeard
1724967;1507908479;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: I have not seen polarbeard.
1724968;1507908481;asciilifeform;( incidentally recall 1980s game copyprotection lameness with elementary 'proof of storage' ?? 'answer, player, what is 51th word on 11th page paragraph 3 !1111' )
1724969;1507908486;mircea_popescu;eh wth.
1724970;1507908515;mod6;iirc I had created a proper vpatch of the thing last year, but we never wrapped up all the testing.  i'd like to revisit that.
1724971;1507908517;mircea_popescu;apr 2016.
1724972;1507908525;*;mod6 looks
1724973;1507908527;mircea_popescu;anyway, i tried /invite polarbeard but * polarbeard :No such nick/channel ; anyone know him irl drop a line ?
1724974;1507908537;mircea_popescu;pity guy left, totally got teh wrong impression re tmsr.
1724975;1507908554;asciilifeform;iirc was in ben_vulpes's l2 ? or trinque's ?
1724976;1507908563;mircea_popescu;a, was he ?
1724977;1507908578;asciilifeform;somebody's distant l2 ( l3 ) ? d00d
1724978;1507908636;asciilifeform;iirc he ended up barfing from 'all my patches rejected!111'
1724979;1507908648;asciilifeform;'for arbitrary reasons, made no sense'
1724980;1507908670;mircea_popescu;in other tardstalk lulzgems, https://www.blackhatworld.com/attachments/fb_img_1507907065465-jpg.96283
1724981;1507908681;mircea_popescu;yes, complete with the pixelization and the fb_img etc.
1724982;1507908683;asciilifeform;i get eggog
1724983;1507908687;asciilifeform;'must be logged in'
1724984;1507908694;mircea_popescu;let's rehost
1724985;1507908701;mod6;ah yeah, i do have a rawtx on sitting here -- just needs testing.  also, still have some makefile changes that are needing some testing/review.  and further, want to put in some requested changes to import/dump priv key.
1724986;1507908745;mod6;plenty-o-thangs
1724987;1507908749;trinque;the introduction of new classes should be perma-banned
1724988;1507908783;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714240
1724989;1507908783;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 05:30 trinque: in the process, realized I oughta publically denounce something in the funkenstein importprivkey/dumpprivkey patch
1724990;1507908813;mod6;I dunno about perma-banned, but I do see what you mean by that trinque, in this specific case.
1724991;1507908826;mod6;Submit me a vpatch, Sir.
1724992;1507908827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.hispachan.org/g/src/150790945869.jpg
1724993;1507908838;asciilifeform;lol!
1724994;1507908843;asciilifeform;'electroneum'
1724995;1507908844;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1724996;1507908846;asciilifeform;i had nfi!!
1724997;1507908849;trinque;mod6: I dunno how you make the thing intelligible while walking further into C++ madness
1724998;1507908849;mircea_popescu;perineum prolly next.
1724999;1507908855;mircea_popescu;if THAT dun have proof of work...
1725000;1507908863;asciilifeform;'Two Digits, 14.99 ETN Feels Right'
1725001;1507908866;asciilifeform;gold.
1725002;1507908875;mircea_popescu;pretty much run-down of all stupids.
1725003;1507908889;mod6;trinque: i didn't say we /should/ add more classes.
1725004;1507908896;asciilifeform;'As Easy as Playing Mobile Games' 'Mine & Earn Coins From Your Phone' << slavecoin ?!!
1725005;1507908899;asciilifeform;!#s slavecoin
1725006;1507908899;a111;46 results for "slavecoin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=slavecoin
1725007;1507908908;trinque;mod6: sure sure, I admit being hyperbolic
1725008;1507908908;*;asciilifeform still waiting for slavecoin
1725009;1507908929;trinque;I do owe a few patches at this point. btw, am using sendrawtransaction with deedbot, works so far.
1725010;1507908947;mod6;sweet :]
1725011;1507908952;mircea_popescu;trinque you won't be able to fix trb into sanity without new classes.
1725012;1507908958;mircea_popescu;both theory and experience show this, sadly.
1725013;1507908973;mod6;and please do send 'em my way when you have time
1725014;1507908975;mircea_popescu;now, that they should be used sparsely is certainly true.
1725015;1507908992;mod6;i know you're pretty swamped -- when you're comfortable with deedbots changes, etc.  you know.
1725016;1507908995;asciilifeform;sooner turn pig into a professor of mathematics, than cpp trb into sanity.
1725017;1507908995;trinque;if they demolish old, muddy concepts that's far better than subclassing the mud
1725018;1507909018;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nevermind the actual implementation. the design/concept however you call it.
1725019;1507909029;mircea_popescu;when we're discussiong classes we're not automatically discussing an impl. it's a data model.
1725020;1507909051;asciilifeform;i understood trinque to be referring to classes in literal cpp sense
1725021;1507909055;mircea_popescu;i did not.
1725022;1507909057;asciilifeform;( based on the log link )
1725023;1507909057;jhvh1;Gracias Sr. mircea_popescu!
1725024;1507909071;mircea_popescu;based on same lol.
1725025;1507909084;mircea_popescu;shinohai lol wut ?
1725026;1507909094;jhvh1;It is good to be self-aware again
1725027;1507909108;jhvh1;>.>
1725028;1507909112;mod6;ohmahgerd, it's alive
1725029;1507909124;mircea_popescu;don't be doing that, not doing it is in the spec!
1725030;1507909190;trinque;mod6: I did lose a transaction in a node's mempool the other day using it. was clearly there, sitting, going nowhere.
1725031;1507909193;trinque;fed to another node, went fine
1725032;1507909198;trinque;I dunno who to blame for that yet
1725033;1507909211;mod6;ah.
1725034;1507909250;mircea_popescu;trinque one working model : all the nodes node 1 was connected to decided "it is spam", because they can do this now, so they didn't forward it but also didn't tell node 1. same did not hold for node 2.
1725035;1507909266;mircea_popescu;typical sybilling, happens and has happened tons, which is why it's important to talk to many nodes for payment safety.
1725036;1507909294;mircea_popescu;and EVEN IF maintaining a large (and, obviously, expensive) network of nodes etc, you can still run into surprises, as the bitbet issue very well illustrates.
1725037;1507909296;trinque;mhm. node 1 sits on a domestic line; 2, commercial. I could see it
1725038;1507909331;mircea_popescu;you'll end up with node lists, fingerprinting, mothership identification, the whole shebang.
1725039;1507909349;mircea_popescu;if you keep money and man-hours into this, you'll eventually reach that vaunted summit.
1725040;1507909354;mircea_popescu;you know, like the ahrefs guy.
1725041;1507909400;mod6;please do keep reporting such irregularities though.
1725042;1507909436;mircea_popescu;(amusingly, this node-sybil-pie entirely exists BECAUSE IT CAN exist. think in GT terms : at t1 it doesn't exist. at t2, player 1 figures out it could exist, whether it can or not, and takes defensive meansures. at t3, some bug in player1's implementation is exploited (consciously or accidentally) and now... it DOES exist.)
1725043;1507909467;mircea_popescu;human problem of meta is that humans can think outside the box. they end up choking each other with the unintentional by-products of that thinking.
1725044;1507909486;mircea_popescu;now THIS would be some interesting ecology, of the "keep the world safe for your children" kind.
1725045;1507909492;mircea_popescu;mental warming is a thing.
1725046;1507910734;lobbesbot;!!up lobbes
1725047;1507910734;deedbot;lobbes voiced for 30 minutes.
1725048;1507910737;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724782 << I am more than willing to make required tweaks to get something like this working (allowing auctions to be denominated in btc as well as ecu, having lobbesbot spit out deedbot invoice, etc)
1725049;1507910737;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 01:55 mircea_popescu: trinque can directly push lobbes 's bot into it, what more is needed ? we have all the parts.
1725050;1507910741;lobbes;Also gotta figure out where auctions would happen. I'd imagine #t wouldn't be keen on the auctions taking place in this channel. Would be a lot of added noise.
1725051;1507910760;mircea_popescu;lobbes yeah, we'll get to this in the coming weeks.
1725052;1507910796;mircea_popescu;tbh, i don't think doing it in #trilema is either unfeasible or a bad idea.
1725053;1507910808;mircea_popescu;the forum happens in the marketplace for a reason.
1725054;1507910842;lobbes;That is a point. I can always tweak the announces to be less frequent as people see fit anyways
1725055;1507910862;mircea_popescu;exactly. which is why that's that way hehee
1725056;1507910899;shinohai;I can't remember what I did with it lobbes .... but there was a plugin that let you announce a msg only to folks subscribed to it.
1725057;1507910956;trinque;commerce happening here wont annoy me!
1725058;1507910971;shinohai;Me neither tbh
1725059;1507910971;mircea_popescu;shinohai you might be using different bot bases.
1725060;1507910999;mircea_popescu;but anyway, yes, all sorts of options available. can readily just use pastebin if it gets bad
1725061;1507911006;mircea_popescu;though honestly, may take a while for it to become a problem.
1725062;1507913174;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725034 << the fundamental problem is the ~completely imaginary incentive structure for the expected node operations ( store, verify, relay)
1725063;1507913174;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 15:40 mircea_popescu: trinque one working model : all the nodes node 1 was connected to decided "it is spam", because they can do this now, so they didn't forward it but also didn't tell node 1. same did not hold for node 2.
1725064;1507913184;asciilifeform;see also canonical thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 .
1725065;1507913184;a111;Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
1725066;1507913189;mircea_popescu;ell of course
1725067;1507913221;asciilifeform;the 'because you oughta!11' relaying can and does end up in same place as other 'because you oughtas' socialisms
1725068;1507913259;asciilifeform;it is, to lift from another mircea_popescu article, 'a thrown brick, not airplane'
1725069;1507913447;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725038 << every time i sit down to think about this megaproblem , inevitably come to the conclusion that the threeway cut was a mistake
1725070;1507913447;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: you'll end up with node lists, fingerprinting, mothership identification, the whole shebang.
1725071;1507913479;mircea_popescu;the problem is that they're not automatically diffedrent just because they could be.
1725072;1507913490;mircea_popescu;satoshi made an engineering mistake, taking the assumption the wrong way
1725073;1507913493;asciilifeform;instead of colluding miners, mendacious nodes, and 'gimmme ERRYTHINGFORPHREEEE!' entitled users -- can in principle have 1.
1725074;1507914899;shinohai;http://archive.is/CbLsp   <<< If adding ethereum, shapeshit, and BitcoinCrash wasnt enough ......
1725075;1507916600;shinohai;This is the lulziest bit: " If you have transactions to make around late November, we suggest you buy some Ether in our wallet today. "
1725076;1507916611;mircea_popescu;lol
1725077;1507916615;mircea_popescu;LOGIC!
1725078;1507916677;mircea_popescu;basically the excel-powered secret agent strategy has become "try to disrupt bitcoin by creating fud on social media". which works to... disrupt usage by the usg's own muppets, the redditards, wikitards and assoerted other dust mongers ? which is somehow bad for bitcoin, or even noticeable or something ?
1725079;1507916697;mircea_popescu;hey USG - take your useless sheep and drown them all for what anyone cares. seriously now.
1725080;1507916709;mircea_popescu;usgtronic headcount is not worth money.
1725081;1507916792;asciilifeform;gotta wonder how it was pictured to work -- 'if all the pennies in the sofas added up and made britney and coke, why not to make our shitcoin worth sumthing' ?
1725082;1507916814;mircea_popescu;more like "this bitcoin is like britney, entirely built out of pennies and walmart e-cards"
1725083;1507916816;mircea_popescu;hurr durr.
1725084;1507916844;mircea_popescu;but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads.
1725085;1507916846;asciilifeform;( one difference, readily visible to naked eye, is that britney was made back when the sofas ~actually contained~ some pennies )
1725086;1507916872;mircea_popescu;there's a great gif with a stupid little girl confronting a lion from behind a glass pane.
1725087;1507916889;asciilifeform;it was in a trilema
1725088;1507916900;mircea_popescu;this has apparently become a major psychological liability for the crowd, they imagine that since everything they ever encountered was safely behind bulletproof glass, that's "just how life is".
1725089;1507916912;mircea_popescu;will unavoidably come to gore.
1725090;1507916938;asciilifeform;there was a famous incident of a d00d who went around looking for bears
1725091;1507916947;asciilifeform;anyone recall this ?
1725092;1507916954;mircea_popescu;well, these fucktards are going around looking for chtulhu.
1725093;1507916970;asciilifeform;( ended up not only eaten, but with camera rolling )
1725094;1507917122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check out this lulz https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/facebook-new-accounts.979434/#post-10480716
1725095;1507917125;mircea_popescu;"he tried to trick them"
1725096;1507917177;asciilifeform;back to spamschool for'em
1725097;1507917192;asciilifeform;незачет!
1725098;1507917220;mircea_popescu;this is what i think when i think orc engineering
1725099;1507917249;asciilifeform;this is what i think of sp4mz0rz of whatever type, incl. the ones with '1,000 servers' ( and previous years with 'million bots' ) etc
1725100;1507917255;mircea_popescu;"i tried stuffing all the stick and rock types i could find in all the holes that there were and even some that i made. why airplane not wash jocularstrap ???"
1725101;1507917300;asciilifeform;they're illiterates and chasing after imaginary moneys, while wrecking whatever they touch
1725102;1507917311;asciilifeform;( and empowering usg 'mitigators' )
1725103;1507917342;asciilifeform;exactly like the wp spammer discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014
1725104;1507917343;mircea_popescu;an autistic child you didn't kill at the age of 7 will support a whole comicbook industry until age 70 ?
1725105;1507917362;asciilifeform;1 -- prolly not, million -- could
1725106;1507917379;mircea_popescu;evidently.
1725107;1507917390;*;asciilifeform was about to say 'no 1 spammer ever wrecked anything substantial' but then recalled usenet
1725108;1507917398;mircea_popescu;heh
1725109;1507918479;shinohai;In kitchen accessories: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/kitchenacc.jpeg
1725110;1507918972;mircea_popescu;are the blades inside ?
1725111;1507920901;asciilifeform;http://p.ocdn.ee/4/i/2015/11/12/tfkyk4ty.t3l.jpg << in other mega-chix
1725112;1507920913;asciilifeform;^ head crown prosecutor of estonia ( at least at the time )
1725113;1507920963;shinohai;"I prosecute all the meth-heads and STEAL THEIR STASH! Bwahahahaha"
1725114;1507920994;asciilifeform;Kati Reitsak
1725115;1507921032;asciilifeform;prosecuted e.g. https://news.postimees.ee/3222207/the-assar-paulus-gang-finally-faces-court
1725116;1507921078;asciilifeform;apparently cult meme figure in orcdom.
1725117;1507921126;asciilifeform;https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/1/3/1/6562131.jpg << e.g.
1725118;1507922731;mircea_popescu;not even a terrible gig
1725119;1507922751;mircea_popescu;more meth she steals more effective she gets more meth she steals etc.
1725120;1507922846;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that last pic dun work for all the diff it makes
1725121;1507922901;asciilifeform;was doll version of reitsak
1725122;1507923814;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform must confess, notterrible chix also.
1725123;1507923868;asciilifeform;when it's my turn to get freislered, i'd like to be tried by ~that~ freisler.
1725124;1507923920;mircea_popescu;de gustibus...
1725125;1507923927;asciilifeform;aaaha
1725126;1507925160;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1725127;1507925170;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5549.99, vol: 27743.23574480 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5589.5, vol: 100804.08249558 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4280.016, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5525.6, vol: 9517.72500364 | Volume-weighted last average: 5577.15568871
1725128;1507925896;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in ffaism, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724861 >>>>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6NmsZ/?raw=true
1725129;1507925896;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 13:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724859 << nifty variant, i'ma see how it compares speedwise
1725130;1507925927;asciilifeform;hats off to apeloyee for the tip.
1725131;1507927216;mod6;asciilifeform: i like the added comments in there.  keep it up.
1725132;1507927264;asciilifeform;mod6: i will confess, very much not satisfied with the comments, prolly comments should be written by someone else -- perhaps mod6
1725133;1507927285;asciilifeform;or ben_vulpes , he did pretty good commentary to orig. vtron
1725134;1507927435;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.45364891 13YczpPCDAxBWQwMmNyyAASHYR4EmbwagP
1725135;1507927439;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rpke2/?raw=true
1725136;1507927452;mod6;ah, interesting.
1725137;1507927495;mod6;i do also think there could be paragraphs even written around certain procedures in ffa.  but not sure if that belongs in the code, or as a corresponding document outside of the code.
1725138;1507927514;asciilifeform;mod6: imho detailed what-why-how belongs outside
1725139;1507927545;mod6;and ya, that's what i mean, more or less. what/why/how type of explanations.
1725140;1507927566;mod6;but the comments I've seen in there are helpful, as long as they are accurate.
1725141;1507927577;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's notion was that he'd write it against a backdrop of 'why didja do x' in l0gz
1725142;1507927601;asciilifeform;( otherwise same problem as writing 'faq' without anyone actually having asked any q )
1725143;1507927693;mod6;perhaps -- i certainly think it's good to link l0gz in footnotes or whatnot.  the what/why/how doc aught to summarize all of thinking/decision making that went into the code.
1725144;1507927711;mod6;i'm probably getting ahead of myself though.  was just saying "*thumbs-up*" on comments.
1725145;1507927716;mod6;:]
1725146;1507927720;asciilifeform;lolk
1725147;1507927739;asciilifeform;this is not bad time to ask the tuned-in folx, what parts of ffa they would like to see explained in moardetail.
1725148;1507927961;mircea_popescu;ifaq
1725149;1507927973;mircea_popescu;qtshbfa
1725150;1507927990;asciilifeform;iirc there was a 'cpp ifaq'
1725151;1507928013;asciilifeform;riotously lulzy piece
1725152;1507928842;mod6;Here's a dumb question...
1725153;1507928874;mod6;what does 'P' stand for when you say "FZ_OddP" or "FZ_EvenP" ... etc?  Parameter?
1725154;1507931017;mircea_popescu;in other lulz - forum chick got warned for posting inappropriate content, in the shape of basically a rewrite of http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ (and a ton of bois pm-ing excitedly about "omg i saw that thread before it was deleted, r u real haxxor???").
1725155;1507931045;mircea_popescu;apparently the black hat is black from pantsuit dust.
1725156;1507931472;BingoBoingo;lol
1725157;1507931554;BingoBoingo;Looks like the Pinoys can't do it: "hello sir I'm sorry to inform you that it is not possible to met your requirement of 14Gigabits but our offer of 10mbps for 504 USD and  we can upgrade that as your needs increase still stands." -jolo
1725158;1507931570;mircea_popescu;a 10mbps rack ?!
1725159;1507931574;BingoBoingo;4srs
1725160;1507931581;mircea_popescu;what is this lulz.
1725161;1507931595;BingoBoingo;Island brain damage?
1725162;1507931674;BingoBoingo;For context that was his answer to: "
1725163;1507931674;BingoBoingo;I really need something much closer to 14 Gigabits per second. I understand that this will have a price attached to it."
1725164;1507931695;BingoBoingo;Which I offered in reply to his first mention of 10mbps hoping he got the letters confused
1725165;1507931730;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725153 << predicate
1725166;1507931730;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 21:07 mod6: what does 'P' stand for when you say "FZ_OddP" or "FZ_EvenP" ... etc?  Parameter?
1725167;1507931736;asciilifeform;lispworld tradition.
1725168;1507933219;mod6;ahh, gotcha. thx
1725169;1507935728;shinohai;http://archive.is/cUss2   << Sadly there is no qntra for these lulz
1725170;1507936922;mircea_popescu;in even further lulz, there apparently exists a dharvard university in indja.
1725171;1507937475;shinohai;Maybe Preet can get a job there lol
1725172;1507937538;mircea_popescu;i expect.
1725173;1507939653;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ << Trilema - Cemetery Junction
1725174;1507939653;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ << Trilema - Cemetery Junction
1725175;1507940095;mircea_popescu;and in other hurr durrs, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/74fvvx/unpopular_solution_agree_to_2mb_hf_written_by/dnyfcig/
1725176;1507940488;shinohai;"Who cares about the Trilema guys. Let them use their own altcoin."
1725177;1507940492;shinohai;top kek
1725178;1507940523;mircea_popescu;somehow the stealing-by-name thing is really deeply ingrained in the muppet skull by now.
1725179;1507940578;mircea_popescu;(in case anyone's curious, rassah is random faggot mildly famous for having stolen his bf's cash to buy right before a jump and then proudly selling it all and buying a car. 2013 iirc.)
1725180;1507940623;mircea_popescu;lotta "i am so smart! i am so smart! sold out of btc at 36. s-m-r-t!"
1725181;1507940635;shinohai;xD
1725182;1507940651;mircea_popescu;!!rated rassah
1725183;1507940652;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated rassah 1 at 2014/07/15 11:54:19 << Old timer.
1725184;1507940693;shinohai;bwahahaha
1725185;1507940716;mircea_popescu;!!rate rassah -1 http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-14#221785
1725186;1507940718;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/awb3Y/?raw=true
1725187;1507940881;hanbot;i googled trilema today, typing even four characters more on a tablet is annoying. Trilema, url, description, "Bitcoin" ... "MPEx" ... "I ate some pie"
1725188;1507940918;mircea_popescu;sounds about right.
1725189;1507951631;shinohai;mircea_popescu gibes me reddit account, I start trolling, now my head hurts: http://archive.is/tG3SX
1725190;1507953815;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZOa53/?raw=true
1725191;1507954368;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1725192;1507954374;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5675.09, vol: 23439.06389521 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5691.2, vol: 74451.50116852 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4280.016, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5640.3, vol: 6894.7710041 | Volume-weighted last average: 5684.24724124
1725193;1507957229;ben_vulpes;shinohai: do we have a from-zero "install gpg, ... now you're in the #trilema wot" ?
1725194;1507961264;hanbot;ben_vulpes eulorum has one: http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup
1725195;1507973793;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724915 << http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/rm12_w_tc1/html/RM-3-5-4.html , paragraph 21: "the range of Integer shall include the range –2**15+1 .. +2**15–1"
1725196;1507973793;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 15:17 asciilifeform: because 8 bits is not enough to index a useful number of 8-bit words
1725197;1507974016;apeloyee;and paragraph 23: System.Max_Binary_Modulus shall be at least 2**16
1725198;1507975175;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723089 << ordinary shift
1725199;1507975175;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 22:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723058 << which op is it that only leaks 1 of its 2 operands ?
1725200;1507976609;apeloyee;asciilifeform: do you plan to test how much information about operands leaks as difference in power consumption? It looks plausible that multiplying 0*0 and maxint*maxint consume different amount of power.
1725201;1507978936;apeloyee;continuing elimination of large temporary variables, |E| in FZ_Mod_Exp needs to be replaced with an index into |Exponent|
1725202;1507982788;apeloyee;it seems I see how to squeeze out one more FZ-sized temporary from FZ_Mod_Exp, besides the ^^ and using a proper barrett; it will exacerbate the above-mentioned physical leakage, though... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XvDnd/?raw=true <- as usual, not tested.
1725203;1507984051;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1725204;1507984053;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 489789 | Current Difficulty: 1.123863285132E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 489887 | Next Difficulty In: 98 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 14 hours, 53 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1725205;1507984063;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1725206;1507984068;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5688.0, vol: 14061.26071216 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5734.8, vol: 52967.24614921 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4280.016, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5695.5, vol: 4114.73692849 | Volume-weighted last average: 5723.27710452
1725207;1507987162;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722378 << tried actually using mod-exp function, not just construcing mod-exp from multiplications and divisions?
1725208;1507987162;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 19:30 asciilifeform: the interesting imho discovery is that heathen bignumtrons don't win much (or even any!) speed by normalizing the ints being added/subtracted
1725209;1507987347;mircea_popescu;http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-shootings-20171013-story.html << funny how it's "chicago violence" when da police execute random pedestrian.
1725210;1507988680;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725195 << we don't use signed type for anything
1725211;1507988680;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 09:36 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724915 << http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/rm12_w_tc1/html/RM-3-5-4.html , paragraph 21: "the range of Integer shall include the range –2**15+1 .. +2**15–1"
1725212;1507988753;apeloyee;ok
1725213;1507988791;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725197 << this is so. idea of quoted thread was, i'd like to get ffa to where it uses strictly 2 machine types, 'Word' (whatever that is on whatever machine) and, say, 'Index', which is guaranteed to be mod 2**16 or larger. and get rid of all conversions.
1725214;1507988791;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 09:40 apeloyee: and paragraph 23: System.Max_Binary_Modulus shall be at least 2**16
1725215;1507988842;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725200 << i strongly suspect that this is a waste of time on pc, where even add and xor almost certainly consume variant current depending on operands
1725216;1507988842;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 10:23 apeloyee: asciilifeform: do you plan to test how much information about operands leaks as difference in power consumption? It looks plausible that multiplying 0*0 and maxint*maxint consume different amount of power.
1725217;1507988863;asciilifeform;i'm concerned with 1) timing leak 2) fits-in head --- strictly.
1725218;1507988873;apeloyee;I read that as "Word  is guaranteed to be at least 16-bit wide also"
1725219;1507988890;mircea_popescu;moreover, power leak is reasonalby easily fixed.
1725220;1507988908;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725201 << i deliberately did not do this, because it adds loc and saves 0 time
1725221;1507988908;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 11:02 apeloyee: continuing elimination of large temporary variables, |E| in FZ_Mod_Exp needs to be replaced with an index into |Exponent|
1725222;1507988922;asciilifeform;optimization that adds loc is for inner loop items STRICTLY
1725223;1507988942;apeloyee;bbut fpga has little memory!!!1
1725224;1507988965;asciilifeform;fpga has a bit muxer and none of the loops will be loops, lol
1725225;1507988982;apeloyee;lol even the exponentiation loop?
1725226;1507988988;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722435 << see also
1725227;1507988988;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 00:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722411 << 1 ) ffa is closed form. i.e. it CAN be written as a number of nand gates, with a 'funnel' at the top, to which you present a,b,c, e.g. 4096bit, numbers, and at the bottom in a little cup you get a^b mod c , and with NO UPWARDS FEEDBACK FLOW of information , i.e. answer comes after same interval of time always, and with strictly downwards signals.
1725228;1507988990;asciilifeform;FOR ALL OF IT
1725229;1507989015;apeloyee;you don't have fpga that large.
1725230;1507989037;asciilifeform;i'll have a square metre grid of whatever size i can buy, if i want.
1725231;1507989049;mircea_popescu;ahem.
1725232;1507989073;apeloyee;i'll have a square metre grid of whatever size i can buy, if i want. << not enough wires connecting them.
1725233;1507989081;asciilifeform;now this is nonsense.
1725234;1507989131;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725193   <<< hanbot has it, though I propose that when tmsr isp is functional we revisit idea of trilema wiki if mircea_popescu agrees.
1725235;1507989131;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 05:00 ben_vulpes: shinohai: do we have a from-zero "install gpg, ... now you're in the #trilema wot" ?
1725236;1507989137;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725202 << i will say now, that i will not be using windowed exponentiation, because it wins nothing unless you permit indexing memory by a secret
1725237;1507989137;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 12:06 apeloyee: it seems I see how to squeeze out one more FZ-sized temporary from FZ_Mod_Exp, besides the ^^ and using a proper barrett; it will exacerbate the above-mentioned physical leakage, though... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XvDnd/?raw=true <- as usual, not tested.
1725238;1507989143;asciilifeform;and i have no intention of doing such a thing
1725239;1507989150;shinohai;I still have all the original articles saved from the #b-a days
1725240;1507989332;apeloyee;for i in Base'Range loop B(i):=W_Mux(W_Mux(One(i), Base(i), WindowLSB),W_Mux(BaseModSquare(i),BaseModCube(i),WindowLSB),WindowMSB); end loop;
1725241;1507989339;apeloyee;you get the idea.
1725242;1507989385;mod6;mornin
1725243;1507989413;mircea_popescu;shinohai i see no problem, what can it possibly hurt.
1725244;1507989422;asciilifeform;apeloyee: actually no, i dun get ?
1725245;1507989450;mircea_popescu;heya mod6
1725246;1507989478;mod6;:]
1725247;1507989493;shinohai;Buenas dias mod6
1725248;1507989511;*;mod6 waves
1725249;1507989570;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725219 << in your house -- yes. in , say, a racked machine in a dc -- not so easy
1725250;1507989570;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 13:48 mircea_popescu: moreover, power leak is reasonalby easily fixed.
1725251;1507989615;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1725252;1507989624;mircea_popescu;of course, racked machine comes with keys preinstalled definitionally.
1725253;1507989638;mircea_popescu;but yes, decryption still leaky.
1725254;1507989673;mircea_popescu;see alf, had you listened to me when i FIRST told you to fucking move, you'd have had a warehouse somewhere outside of shit empire, could have just made your own dc.
1725255;1507989676;asciilifeform;prolly the only finalsolution to power variance is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656782 .
1725256;1507989676;a111;Logged on 2017-05-16 01:53 asciilifeform: now you store bit as ~phase~ of the square wave, rather than absolute steady state of the flipflop.
1725257;1507989718;mircea_popescu;not sure that buys you anything, now you got an FM carrier wave in the power supply instead of a simple levels thing.
1725258;1507989739;asciilifeform;mno
1725259;1507989759;asciilifeform;you have a couple mil 'fm radios' less than a milliwavelength apart
1725260;1507989761;mircea_popescu;mno i dun think so or mno i can prove it.
1725261;1507989764;asciilifeform;(physically)
1725262;1507989780;apeloyee;let's suppose B is a temporary, WindowLSB and WindowMSB are bits of 2-bit fixed window, One is, well, 1, BaseModSquare and BaseModCube are B**2 mod Modulus and B**3 mod Modulus. the posted snippet then assigns to B the power (2*WindowMSB+WindowLSB) of Base. See, we index the memory by a (small) secret!
1725263;1507989793;mircea_popescu;lol this guy
1725264;1507989816;mircea_popescu;apeloyee was your first sexual experience of the "just let me put the tip in" type ?
1725265;1507989819;asciilifeform;apeloyee: nogood
1725266;1507989826;asciilifeform;apeloyee: NO INDEXING BY SECRET OF ANY SIZE
1725267;1507989831;asciilifeform;what part of this is hard to understand.
1725268;1507989839;asciilifeform;no pasaran.
1725269;1507989878;apeloyee;asciilifeform: where do you see explicit indexing in the posted snippet?
1725270;1507990002;asciilifeform;nowhere, but not clear to me that it wins anything, and would have to be indexed this way in order to win
1725271;1507990106;apeloyee;muliply-and-reduce is so expensive that 2-bit windows ought to win something.
1725272;1507990213;asciilifeform;btw apeloyee what does this do when exponent is 1 ?
1725273;1507990243;asciilifeform;1 is not a sums of 2s and 3s...
1725274;1507990247;asciilifeform;*sum
1725275;1507990272;apeloyee;1 is not a sums of 2s and 3s... << ???
1725276;1507990303;apeloyee;ah. I made an error.BaseModSquare and BaseModCube are Base**2 mod Modulus and Base**3 mod Modulus
1725277;1507990308;apeloyee;not B of course
1725278;1507990351;asciilifeform;it still isn't clear to me how this algo can modexp to the power of 1.
1725279;1507990366;asciilifeform;and for that matter of 0.
1725280;1507990397;mircea_popescu;special cases!
1725281;1507990417;asciilifeform;lolfuckno
1725282;1507990430;*;mircea_popescu won't rehash.
1725283;1507990452;asciilifeform;no conditionaljumps on secret MEANS no conditionaljumps on secret. no exceptions.
1725284;1507990491;apeloyee;no special cases. you precalc Base**0 = 1, Base**1 = Base, Base**2 and Base**3; assign 1 to result. then you take two next bits from exponent, starting with the most significant; take B to their power, as above, and multiply Result by B
1725285;1507990507;mircea_popescu;what is your definition of special cases?
1725286;1507990693;asciilifeform;apeloyee: and index with a 4way mux ? that'd work
1725287;1507990721;asciilifeform;i still think that it makes sense to do this only after every other bolt is as tight as physically possible -- bernsteinian karatsuba, unrolled comba, etc
1725288;1507990725;mircea_popescu;so every time you calc an exp you calc 2 and 3 also ?
1725289;1507990764;apeloyee;so every time you calc an exp you calc 2 and 3 also ? << at the very start, once.
1725290;1507990780;mircea_popescu;hm.
1725291;1507990831;apeloyee;can has link describing " bernsteinian karatsuba"?
1725292;1507990844;apeloyee;*link to description
1725293;1507991130;asciilifeform;apeloyee: iirc it was in middle of https://cr.yp.to/ecdh/curve41417-20140706.pdf ( which is largely about other, useless crud )
1725294;1507991144;asciilifeform;and there is literally no other description afaik anywhere on the net
1725295;1507991207;apeloyee;every other bolt << does this include an asm multiply?
1725296;1507991263;asciilifeform;unrolled comba is here: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696236 ( http://archive.is/iMI4W )
1725297;1507991263;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 02:43 asciilifeform: for simplicity, tested the case that actually happens in practice: on a 64bit box, any ffa width over 512 bits gives a strictly 8-wide comba mult ocurrence
1725298;1507991284;asciilifeform;apeloyee: if doing asm, not only multiply but add and shift
1725299;1507991294;asciilifeform;( massive time is wasted deriving the carries )
1725300;1507991305;asciilifeform;but i'd like an end product with NO arch dependence.
1725301;1507991349;asciilifeform;i'ma eventually rewrite whole thing in asm, for special uses. but that will be separate proggy.
1725302;1507991358;asciilifeform;canonical ffa will never contain asm.
1725303;1507991373;asciilifeform;nor any endianisms or anything else typing it to particular iron.
1725304;1507991379;asciilifeform;*tying
1725305;1507991395;apeloyee;procedure W_Mul is separate, etc. a generic version and an asm version. who dislikes asm, can throw it away and use generic version.
1725306;1507991993;asciilifeform;understand what canonical means in this case ?
1725307;1507992005;asciilifeform;it means the thing has to be gotten to acceptable performance sans asm.
1725308;1507992024;asciilifeform;and the correctness of any variant (e.g. asmed) versions, will be judged against the canonical.
1725309;1507992027;*;asciilifeform brb
1725310;1507995942;shinohai;"Hey Buddy, thanks for the tip!" http://archive.is/rlSnw
1725311;1507995964;mircea_popescu;bwahahah
1725312;1507996022;mircea_popescu;"Some of the emergency measures, notably beefed up police powers, are to be made permanent under a bill that has been approved by the lower house of parliament, the National Assembly."
1725313;1507996036;mircea_popescu;this whole bruxelles thing has totally worked wonders at turning europe into an utter shithole.
1725314;1507996045;mircea_popescu;moar "unity" and bullshit please, they totally work.
1725315;1507996457;shinohai;http://archive.is/6bujY   <<< But yeah, my account totally gets suspended for using a bot because pr0n.
1725316;1507996528;mircea_popescu;lol pantsuit, they actually expect you can ban by reference.
1725317;1507996536;mircea_popescu;hurr durr ban stupidity while at it.
1725318;1507996609;mircea_popescu;anyway, funny how bloomberg alligns to http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/
1725319;1507996621;mircea_popescu;three years late, but i WILL fucking sink this whole silicon valley social media bs.
1725320;1507996730;shinohai;Don't open Slate this morning then, stupidity in form of "This Week, It Was Particularly Rough to Be a Woman" abounds.
1725321;1507996760;shinohai;President Donald Trump raped me with his thoughts, etc.
1725322;1507996841;mircea_popescu;working at making it rougher, actually.
1725323;1507999309;ben_vulpes;hanbot: ty!
1725324;1508006311;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725293 << lulzily, it mentions http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725240 method on page 9: "we load the entire table into registers and perform the selection via arithmetic". wonder how you have read that paper if you didn't notice that.
1725325;1508006311;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 14:25 asciilifeform: apeloyee: iirc it was in middle of https://cr.yp.to/ecdh/curve41417-20140706.pdf ( which is largely about other, useless crud )
1725326;1508006311;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 13:55 apeloyee: for i in Base'Range loop B(i):=W_Mux(W_Mux(One(i), Base(i), WindowLSB),W_Mux(BaseModSquare(i),BaseModCube(i),WindowLSB),WindowMSB); end loop;
1725327;1508006369;apeloyee;besides, "bernsteinan karatsuba" requres carry-save arithmetic, otherwise it likely wins nothing. so not separate from comba rewrite.
1725328;1508006381;apeloyee;!#s from:asciilifeform carry save
1725329;1508006382;a111;3 results for "from:asciilifeform carry save", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20carry%20save
1725330;1508006456;apeloyee;windowed mod-exp touches only mod-exp.
1725331;1508007446;apeloyee;still, left-to-right exp (as inhttp://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725202 ) uses one FZ-sized temporary less than current ffa's right-to-left. (the indexing of E can be reverted to what ffa currently has).
1725332;1508007446;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 12:06 apeloyee: it seems I see how to squeeze out one more FZ-sized temporary from FZ_Mod_Exp, besides the ^^ and using a proper barrett; it will exacerbate the above-mentioned physical leakage, though... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XvDnd/?raw=true <- as usual, not tested.
1725333;1508011381;trinque;mircea_popescu: possible my network connection goes out again, but what's up?
1725334;1508012622;mircea_popescu;trinque for to payments, 1 sec.
1725335;1508012667;trinque;cool
1725336;1508012690;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.236986 1BoJ1wgM446w2yKWJrPjJD7sePvs13sagw
1725337;1508012693;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WUU9A/?raw=true
1725338;1508012810;mircea_popescu;and in the latest tardstalk lulz, https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/any-email-marketing-expert-in-bhw-forum.979938/#post-10484037
1725339;1508013121;BingoBoingo;BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Eggspress
1725340;1508013221;mircea_popescu;but you see ? if he can believe, as i not for a second doubt he does, that "a majority of websites are not built through coding", what exactly is to keep him from believing, and in the end being ready to die for, any other nonsense ?
1725341;1508013241;mircea_popescu;"the majority of fortunes were not built by work". why not ? global warming, pantsuit.*
1725342;1508013347;BingoBoingo; This is an incredibly common phenomenon
1725343;1508014660;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725324 << lol it is very very easy, when i see a paragraph that seems to be about ecc crypto, my eyeball jumps over it
1725344;1508014660;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 18:38 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725293 << lulzily, it mentions http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725240 method on page 9: "we load the entire table into registers and perform the selection via arithmetic". wonder how you have read that paper if you didn't notice that.
1725345;1508014690;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725327 << i don't see how it needs carry-save
1725346;1508014690;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 18:39 apeloyee: besides, "bernsteinan karatsuba" requres carry-save arithmetic, otherwise it likely wins nothing. so not separate from comba rewrite.
1725347;1508014782;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/x6mEY/?raw=true
1725348;1508014799;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725331 << indeed
1725349;1508014799;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 18:57 apeloyee: still, left-to-right exp (as inhttp://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725202 ) uses one FZ-sized temporary less than current ffa's right-to-left. (the indexing of E can be reverted to what ffa currently has).
1725350;1508014818;asciilifeform;i'ma certainly try the fixedtimewindow thing at some point
1725351;1508014834;asciilifeform;( why not even bigger window, e.g 8 bits ? )
1725352;1508014936;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725340 << i will admit to being curious re what it is mircea_popescu thinks he can use those folx for. they have the apparent intellectual ability of a turnip.
1725353;1508014936;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 20:33 mircea_popescu: but you see ? if he can believe, as i not for a second doubt he does, that "a majority of websites are not built through coding", what exactly is to keep him from believing, and in the end being ready to die for, any other nonsense ?
1725354;1508015023;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am using them for literal target practice, to teach a young kitten to hunt.
1725355;1508015031;mircea_popescu;and she is learning admirably, and i am well satisfied.
1725356;1508015042;mod6;nice
1725357;1508015047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, do you recall the one with the kids making an "independent" chan ?
1725358;1508015055;asciilifeform;yes
1725359;1508015056;mircea_popescu;google has mysteriously forgotten it entirely, for any searches.
1725360;1508015059;asciilifeform;1s
1725361;1508015079;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/
1725362;1508015084;mircea_popescu;ty
1725363;1508015089;asciilifeform;np
1725364;1508015180;*;asciilifeform bbl : meat
1725365;1508015272;mod6;!!up wyatt06
1725366;1508015272;deedbot;wyatt06 voiced for 30 minutes.
1725367;1508015478;wyatt06;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wAh1z/?raw=true
1725368;1508015480;deedbot;EF2246E285906AA9F6F55406D0F6314BA95B33EB registered as wyatt06.
1725369;1508015521;mod6;nice :]
1725370;1508015673;mircea_popescu;wyatt06 make sure you also register your freenode nick with chanserv.
1725371;1508015829;wyatt06;hi i did that
1725372;1508015858;mod6;yeah, we got his irc set up, so thats his nick now. got his key in, so that's good.
1725373;1508016781;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-majority-of-things-are-build-through-eggpress/ << Trilema - The majority of things are build through eggpress
1725374;1508016782;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-majority-of-things-are-build-through-eggpress/ << Trilema - The majority of things are build through eggpress
1725375;1508016832;mircea_popescu;ah you're mod6 kid. welcome hey.
1725376;1508016836;mircea_popescu;!!up alex__c
1725377;1508016837;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
1725378;1508016861;alex__c;thanks
1725379;1508016864;mircea_popescu;aha
1725380;1508016874;wyatt06;mircea_popescu: yup!
1725381;1508016884;wyatt06;thanks
1725382;1508016900;mircea_popescu;!!rate wyatt06 1 if he breaks anything invoice mod6
1725383;1508016902;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XVjx4/?raw=true
1725384;1508017097;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725254 << In other developements on the belated addressing of old problems, It appears on of the small HK fish has referred inquires to bigger HK fish. More news if it goes anywhere.
1725385;1508017097;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 14:01 mircea_popescu: see alf, had you listened to me when i FIRST told you to fucking move, you'd have had a warehouse somewhere outside of shit empire, could have just made your own dc.
1725386;1508017363;mod6;lol mircea_popescu
1725387;1508017433;mod6;let's see if he can up himself here... standby
1725388;1508017440;mircea_popescu;:D
1725389;1508017590;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, loads of larger ops (including blockchain.info) are actually behind the chain tip now
1725390;1508031088;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.00953429 114KjtTEg1K17jgCRam7BqMjD8cCNYxdVu
1725391;1508031101;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fzsYn/?raw=true
1725392;1508031176;mircea_popescu;http://78.media.tumblr.com/1419ec715a7151b74b957abd3103174b/tumblr_n5vzakMhhz1sl4867o1_1280.jpg << teh slut squad has landed ; dancefloor may get bloody.
1725393;1508031218;mod6;dang
1725394;1508031562;shinohai;dat ass
1725395;1508034208;shinohai;In travel news: http://archive.is/8TNmB
1725396;1508035753;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Mau2m/?raw=true
1725397;1508036117;mircea_popescu;in continuing lulz, "All my ETH is now invested in alts".
1725398;1508037178;lobbes;buterin's waterfall keeps a-flowin'
1725399;1508043000;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-15#1725397 << But did they invest all their eggs into press?
1725400;1508043000;a111;Logged on 2017-10-15 02:55 mircea_popescu: in continuing lulz, "All my ETH is now invested in alts".
1725401;1508048647;mircea_popescu;aaand in other diodes, http://78.media.tumblr.com/8588e560f187b7ac35649d6116a04622/tumblr_notknbAFO01u7ogvro1_1280.jpg
1725402;1508071164;mircea_popescu;!!key wyatt06
1725403;1508071165;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/EF2246E285906AA9F6F55406D0F6314BA95B33EB.asc
1725404;1508094183;mircea_popescu;and in continuing stories from the land of the imbeciles : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QcBvG/?raw=true
1725405;1508094183;mircea_popescu;clef: scrapeboxsenukevps.com ,which is advertising a $55/mo "Xrumer VPS Full Dedicated Server 7 GB RAM Xeon E3v3 x 4 x 3.4 Ghz 60 GB SSD 1 gbps uplink All Tools Included" (by which tools they mean you know, scrapebox, senuke, gsa as well as the venerably ancient piece of ru spamola itself) as well as Bitcoin payments also wants the Fairy Godmother to... get this, to verify her name! by, of course, uploading "NON-CONFIDENTIAL
1725406;1508094183;mircea_popescu;[hint] it can be driver license, govt id, etc.]".
1725407;1508094210;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-majority-of-things-are-build-through-eggpress/#selection-189.0-197.1 and again and again and some more.
1725408;1508094317;mircea_popescu;but at least the usg is spending today and has spent for the past half century whatever fraction of a trillion each year in order to maintain the "public perception" that nukes actually do something. this way third worlders have something to elongate domain names with, and thereby IT HAS ALL BEEN WORTH IT.
1725409;1508094405;mircea_popescu;!!up jawbone
1725410;1508094405;deedbot;jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
1725411;1508094786;BingoBoingo;From the mines: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/LBdhx/?raw=true
1725412;1508095296;BingoBoingo;And in other international legat weird, Singapore apparently has a strict liability standard under its "Sedition Act" against speech they find racis'
1725413;1508095905;mircea_popescu;ahaha what.
1725414;1508096043;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i have nfi whtf that is ?
1725415;1508096098;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Appear to be a typically Poettering enabler whining "Why is your schtyle not the schtyle I am familiar with in my eggpress"
1725416;1508096115;mircea_popescu;i couldn't make heads or tails of it. anyway.
1725417;1508096174;BingoBoingo;Well, was whining in an OpenBSd list about why OpenBSD doesn't have MORE unicode and MORE NSA SEL turds, this is their statement on paranoia
1725418;1508096194;BingoBoingo;Establishing their victimhood so they can make demands
1725419;1508096220;mircea_popescu;oh, so the whole white supremacy naxi crimes etc is because non-white people are "holocausted" ?
1725420;1508096259;mircea_popescu;was ambiguous, the us style "right" is making ~same claims. i guess the problem is mostly that by now esltards kinda meld into the same subnormal iq cloud in my head.
1725421;1508096261;BingoBoingo;Oh, the textpasta or the Singapoor hare thing
1725422;1508096285;BingoBoingo;But yes, this style of argument by "statement of victimhood" apparently is a thing taught nao
1725423;1508096333;mircea_popescu;hm, i suppose i should have someone look into that.
1725424;1508096341;mircea_popescu;who can claim victim better than poor little old me ?
1725425;1508096389;BingoBoingo;4srs, mircea_popescu victimized repeatedly by the stupid since childhood, had to cope through numerous victories over his oppressors
1725426;1508096408;mircea_popescu;hey, people said the boo boo about me on moar than one occasion even!
1725427;1508096431;BingoBoingo;Well, yeah. That's systemic oppression!
1725428;1508096434;mircea_popescu;and it wasn't even true!
1725429;1508096467;BingoBoingo;That's blood libel!
1725430;1508096516;mircea_popescu;isn't blood libel when some chick that's not even that hot falsely claims to have lost her virginity with you?
1725431;1508096548;BingoBoingo;Nah, that's fatshaming
1725432;1508096568;mircea_popescu;moar liek fatshameless.
1725433;1508096594;BingoBoingo;Nah, that's in the pooper
1725434;1508099029;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1725435;1508099037;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5469.99, vol: 10964.06737160 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5500.7, vol: 50567.97399276 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4280.016, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5500.0, vol: 4110.14756329 | Volume-weighted last average: 5495.52674759
1725436;1508099689;ben_vulpes;oh dear, asciilifeform how broken is a linux without any /dev/ttyUSB*
1725437;1508099813;trinque;ben_vulpes: just need usb serial driver built in kernel
1725438;1508099824;ben_vulpes;great i love recompiling my kernel
1725439;1508099873;ben_vulpes;ty trinque
1725440;1508099880;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: whaddayamean 'without ttyUSB..'
1725441;1508099887;asciilifeform;i.e. after plugging one in ?
1725442;1508099895;ben_vulpes;in other gentooisms gone horribly wrong i apparently punctured my water pump while changing an alternator belt
1725443;1508099918;trinque;fg wants the pl2302 driver
1725444;1508099918;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aye, i plug in something that i'd expect to address via ttyUSB devices, but there are none in /dev
1725445;1508099944;asciilifeform;trinque: strictly speaking that's only if you use the included ttl plug; there are other chipsets
1725446;1508099974;asciilifeform;and yes if your kernel was built without modules for all the major usb-tty boxes, it is rubbish
1725447;1508099995;asciilifeform;( i consider kernel like that, unusable for ~any practical purpose in the lab )
1725448;1508100024;asciilifeform;if you dun wanna use usb, can use rs232-ttl converter , and plug into actual serialport
1725449;1508100033;asciilifeform;this also worx and notice that fg was offered with this option
1725450;1508100056;asciilifeform;( you still need a 5v supply, if you do this )
1725451;1508100111;*;asciilifeform bbl
1725452;1508100130;ben_vulpes;cya
1725453;1508100412;*;trinque meanwhile wires up a qr code autoshitter to deedbot wallet for withdrawals
1725454;1508101486;ben_vulpes;trinque: should i expect the pl2302 drivers to show up in make menuconfig?
1725455;1508101705;trinque;yup came up searching by 2303
1725456;1508101762;ben_vulpes;dearie me
1725457;1508101796;ben_vulpes;probably implies something is terribly amiss with this box if searching for 2303 doesn't turn anything up
1725458;1508101951;trinque;ls /usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.c  ?
1725459;1508102066;ben_vulpes;ah i was looking for 2302
1725460;1508102243;trinque;lol my bad
1725461;1508102279;ben_vulpes;ta daaa
1725462;1508102306;ben_vulpes;trinque: how didja know that was the driver fg wanted?
1725463;1508102333;trinque;just popped it in and watched dmesg
1725464;1508102348;trinque;mighta been in dox too
1725465;1508102690;ben_vulpes;mm
1725466;1508115261;shinohai;Evidently, this fellow is connecting to freenode from a jawbone
1725467;1508115419;mod6;heh
1725468;1508117999;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1725470;1508147051;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/and-the-sun-sets-over-the-pacific/ << Trilema - And the Sun sets over the Pacific
1725471;1508147051;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/and-the-sun-sets-over-the-pacific/ << Trilema - And the Sun sets over the Pacific
1725472;1508160972;shinohai;http://archive.is/UtCgr << `That's because the operating system (Android) uses what's known as an "all-zero encryption key" when the reinstallation is initiated, which is easier to intercept and use maliciously.`
1725473;1508165518;mod6;mornin'
1725474;1508168390;mircea_popescu;shinohai lol.
1725475;1508168392;mircea_popescu;!!up alex__c
1725476;1508168393;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
1725477;1508168438;alex__c;hi
1725478;1508168462;mircea_popescu;hola.
1725479;1508168489;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-15#1725442 << why were you changing the oil with a trident ???
1725480;1508168489;a111;Logged on 2017-10-15 20:38 ben_vulpes: in other gentooisms gone horribly wrong i apparently punctured my water pump while changing an alternator belt
1725481;1508168866;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-15#1725453 << wd!
1725482;1508168866;a111;Logged on 2017-10-15 20:46 trinque meanwhile wires up a qr code autoshitter to deedbot wallet for withdrawals
1725483;1508168924;asciilifeform;'In the most likely attack scenario, the hacker would have to directly connect to the Wi-Fi access point, and so would need to be within physical proximity to the router. "This attack doesn't scale," noted Alan Woodward, encryption expert from the University of Surrey. "It's a very targeted attack. Not like we're all going to be hit as attackers can only be in so many Wi-Fi zones at once."' << choice nonsense -- as if you can't hop f
1725484;1508168924;asciilifeform;rom each radio to the next, and from there on -- worm outward, etc
1725485;1508168949;asciilifeform;'encryption expert'
1725486;1508168963;mircea_popescu;this is exactly the automattic bs, "oh, this hole is not a problem because attackers can't use it"
1725487;1508169015;mircea_popescu;"in the most likely airflight scenario, the pilot doesn't even need a  highschool equivalency degree, just sit there and watch the pretty lights. not like all planes are going to crash".
1725488;1508169023;mircea_popescu;engineering today, MIT & beyond.
1725489;1508169087;mircea_popescu;ah that was an easy log. i was worried there for a minute.
1725490;1508169443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, do you happen to know about the dogger bank incident ?
1725491;1508169493;mircea_popescu;lulz of all fucking time, russians got the idea the japanese are in the north sea, started shooting at each other, and at random fishing boats. also reported being attacked by u-boats, being BOARDED, drawing cutlasses,
1725492;1508169532;mircea_popescu;bombarding their own (multiple times, various victims) and most notably the ship orly-lol firing nigh on 1`000 rounds WITHOUT HITTING ANYTHING.
1725493;1508169557;*;mircea_popescu adds this to his private "annals of orc history", in there with the scottish empire at darien and stuffs.
1725494;1508170009;alex__c;so.. do I have to join #eulora specifically to get an account for the game?
1725495;1508170026;mircea_popescu;sure.
1725496;1508170877;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/16/the-other-truth-and-reconciliation-commission-yknow-the-one-with-actual-skin-in-the-game/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The other Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Yknow, the one with actual skin in the game.
1725497;1508170959;trinque;how in the fuck is only trilema duping
1725498;1508170973;trinque;I checked the rss feed itself; it's definitely not that.
1725499;1508170975;mircea_popescu;trinque i was wondering the same thing
1725500;1508170979;mircea_popescu;me too.
1725501;1508171281;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'OpenBSD was notified of the vulnerability on 15 July 2017, before CERT/CC was involved in the coordination. Quite quickly, Theo de Raadt replied and critiqued the tentative disclosure deadline: “In the open source world, if a person writes a diff and has to sit on it for a month, that is very discouraging”. Note that I wrote and included a suggested diff for OpenBSD already, and that at the time the tentative disc
1725502;1508171281;asciilifeform;losure deadline was around the end of August. As a compromise, I allowed them to silently patch the vulnerability. In hindsight this was a bad decision, since others might rediscover the vulnerability by inspecting their silent patch. To avoid this problem in the future, OpenBSD will now receive vulnerability notifications closer to the end of an embargo.'
1725503;1508171313;mircea_popescu;heh
1725504;1508171323;mircea_popescu;"coordination" is it.
1725505;1508171327;asciilifeform;usgination.
1725506;1508171367;mircea_popescu;fuck the tards. there is 0 reason to work with the usg tendrils in any field and in any capacity.
1725507;1508171375;mircea_popescu;break all embargoes and let them fuck themselves.
1725508;1508171425;trinque;oh god damn it, lol. http://nosuchlabs.com/feed/rss/
1725509;1508171433;asciilifeform;lollamatic!
1725510;1508171445;mircea_popescu;aaaa
1725511;1508171447;mircea_popescu;jaysus
1725512;1508171453;mircea_popescu;sorry trinque
1725513;1508171458;asciilifeform;that shouldn't work tho, the original was simply nosuchlabs.com/rss
1725514;1508171472;mircea_popescu;fine example of how complexity builds itself out of small, well understood parts over time :D
1725515;1508171550;trinque;funny stuff. gonna disable that feed for now
1725516;1508171632;asciilifeform;'...4-way handshake was mathematically proven as secure... the properties that were proven in formal analysis of the 4-way handshake remain true. However, the problem is that the proofs do not model key installation. Put differently, the formal models did not define when a negotiated key should be installed. In practice, this means the same key can be installed multiple times, thereby resetting nonces and replay counters used by the
1725517;1508171633;asciilifeform;encryption protocol'
1725518;1508171679;mircea_popescu;ftr i don't accept that "proven".
1725519;1508171688;asciilifeform;usgproven
1725520;1508171693;asciilifeform;it's an entire 'industry'
1725521;1508171702;mircea_popescu;exactly. it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with mathematical proof.
1725522;1508171709;asciilifeform;haskellatical proof
1725523;1508171721;mircea_popescu;in exactly the manner global warmism has absolutely nothing to do with science ; or "bayesian methods" with ai.
1725524;1508171732;mircea_popescu;it's a cheap ustardian fake based on poor understanding of statistics.
1725525;1508171758;asciilifeform;it however is a gangrene that will grow ANYWHERE where fits-in-head is not an iron principle.
1725526;1508171772;asciilifeform;'a usg will always be found for the stupid' or how it went.
1725527;1508171795;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i went for various baths of essernce d'subnormal these past days. most heads don't fit anything whatsoever.
1725528;1508171813;asciilifeform;same, yes, fundamental fallacy as 'bayesianism' -- notion being that the work of understanding something, can be farmed out to machine
1725529;1508171839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most heads belong pulling plow .
1725530;1508171842;mircea_popescu;rather, the notion that life can be separated into "the parts we wish to think about" and "the inappropriate parts" which can be safely ignored.
1725531;1508171866;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform take the fine example of madagascar. what do you know about present day madagascar for my curiosity ?
1725532;1508171911;asciilifeform;i can draw it on the map if you rub it out. and iirc 'independent' (took turns whoring for britain and france) in 19th c to present day...
1725533;1508171916;mircea_popescu;aaand in other adult women, http://78.media.tumblr.com/ca274cf9516bc0a795df6071ab23e809/tumblr_nkghpoIOVZ1uojv1ho1_500.gif
1725534;1508171935;asciilifeform;populated by... tamils ? ( on account of monkeys never finding it )
1725535;1508171941;asciilifeform;is mostly it.
1725536;1508171960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also a very interesting case study for my needs, because genuinely sovereign morons. do you know there's a major lynching thing going on ? whereby they form mobs, throw rocks at people for a few hours then set them aflame ?
1725537;1508171986;asciilifeform;sounds rather african
1725538;1508171988;mircea_popescu;they creted their very own usg ; it works EXACTLY the same way as the larger one, except it's made by even dumber people / inbred islander idiots, and it shows.
1725539;1508172017;mircea_popescu;which is my point here : globalism is an absolute necessity for usgistans. if you permit "independent", "sovereign", "national" whatever ourdemocracies you will get WORSE results than from the global one.
1725540;1508172031;mircea_popescu;ie, the official propaganda actually has a point in its narrow domain of applicability.
1725541;1508172054;asciilifeform;when orcs make the straw plane, they don't make wunderbar mega-improved glider, no; but straw boeing.
1725542;1508172078;mircea_popescu;i am satisfied they had NO FUCKING IDEA what the usg was.
1725543;1508172095;mircea_popescu;this wasn't a copy job. this was "average human" reaching deep down and reconstructing usg.
1725544;1508172100;mircea_popescu;in his own, genuine manner.
1725545;1508172115;mircea_popescu;!!key alex__c
1725546;1508172116;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/37945A0E753B3418C65A536CE5578E70E6BBB502.asc
1725547;1508172197;mircea_popescu;madagascar isn't a unique example, either. it's just a very anthropologically convenient one, very clean and pure so to speak.
1725548;1508172383;mircea_popescu;this line yields the very amusingly 1917s socialist view that in order for republicanism to take over, the prerequisite stage is first pantsuitism taking over.
1725549;1508172398;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1725550;1508172416;mircea_popescu;irk?
1725551;1508172434;mircea_popescu;i'd much appreciate a thorough challenge of this point, it's mindboggling.
1725552;1508172474;asciilifeform;( re madagascar : apparently on top of other joys, now has confirmed black plague. )
1725553;1508172489;mircea_popescu;but anyone who is either french or lived in france any length of time knows that france is in fact just a dumber, shittier usg. though built way earlier, by FEWER locals.
1725554;1508172507;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think "everything" as we understand it stopped working there cca 1900.
1725555;1508172523;mircea_popescu;(and no, "you can occasionally get internet" ISNT "internet working".)
1725556;1508172551;asciilifeform;i'm not aware that 'everythings' ever did work there
1725557;1508172591;asciilifeform;'On 26 June 2016, a grenade explosion killed two people and injured at least 50 others during celebrations to mark Independence Day in Antananarivo.' << pretty great
1725558;1508172599;asciilifeform;sounds like oakland, california
1725559;1508172716;mircea_popescu;heh.
1725560;1508172737;mircea_popescu;or you know, funtimes kosovo.
1725561;1508172768;mircea_popescu;EXCEPT!!! you see, except the serbs were never this fuckign stupid. i'm not even sure how to qualify it, but there's a substantial difference between the two items.
1725562;1508172784;mircea_popescu;"but mp, how do you know cat isn't reading ? its eyes move..."
1725563;1508172799;asciilifeform;how about the antiserbs ?
1725564;1508172806;mircea_popescu;the croats ? or who ?
1725565;1508172810;asciilifeform;the various
1725566;1508172836;mircea_popescu;none of them, honestly, were african level retarded.
1725567;1508172933;*;asciilifeform unsurprised
1725568;1508172935;mircea_popescu;"perfectly capable of sitting inside someone's cellar, hand-making shitty rifles in the unverified belief that ww2 still rages above, cca 1970 ?" YES! certainly. "dumb enough to imagien can't bring acordeon to hospital to break patriarch free because ourdemocracy.,rules ?" absolutely not. "boring enough to just sit on ass and chew hay like a fucking herbivore ?" nope, never.
1725569;1508172974;mircea_popescu;that's the fucking difference here, you understand me ? in costa rica, which is still populated by subhuman stock just like madagascar or egypt or etcetera, what they do with their time is chisel civilisation back down to their herbivore needs.
1725570;1508173021;asciilifeform;chisel down how ?
1725571;1508173022;mircea_popescu;you get a beach resort, however tiny, famous for its rampant prostitution, build a perfectly workable brothel, and the dumb whores there located will self-organise into doing ever less work, until finally it's just standing around.
1725572;1508173028;asciilifeform;aah
1725573;1508173032;mircea_popescu;imagine how a mcdonalds work if the blacks manning it were in charge.
1725574;1508173040;mircea_popescu;first, they wouldn't take the garbage out EVERY night anymore
1725575;1508173046;mircea_popescu;then, they wouldn't wear the aprons ALL the time
1725576;1508173048;mircea_popescu;then they...
1725577;1508173055;asciilifeform;there was at one time one of these at the uni where asciilifeform went
1725578;1508173060;asciilifeform;so i can easily picture
1725579;1508173062;mircea_popescu;soon enough it'd be one oil barrel sawed in half on some rickety rock props on a beach somewhere.
1725580;1508173081;mircea_popescu;and this is a fundamental differentiator of ethnic groups. some develop and some regress.
1725581;1508173157;mircea_popescu;and there's lots of heuristics available. like, the nonviolent ones ? always regress. the matriarch-centered ones ? always regress. those with linguistic ergativity ? always regress. and so following.
1725582;1508173491;asciilifeform;i thought 'nonviolent savages' lived in the same place as cynocephali
1725583;1508173519;asciilifeform;ditto matriarchates
1725584;1508173535;asciilifeform;( oblig : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672530 )
1725585;1508173535;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 17:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: stalin, supposedly, once said to his friends, 'history divides into three eras, matriarchate, patriarchate, and secretariate'
1725586;1508173545;mircea_popescu;but the important point isn't "the people", those don't matter. the important point is that mylord newton, an otherwise busy man, did take time out of penning his alchemical considerations to point out to impudent man servant that if the boots don't need to be shined every night, the manservant doesn't need to be fed ever day, either. DID TAKE THE TIME.
1725587;1508173558;mircea_popescu;and the manservant, impudent as any african, costa rican, argentinian etcetera, NEVERTHELESS OBEYED.
1725588;1508173638;mircea_popescu;which circumstance makes me thing that http://78.media.tumblr.com/969bdde9852e908a43437df68d990fcc/tumblr_nljckvEPJ41tv1mk8o1_400.gif is the absolute best depiction of human culture that could ever be devised.
1725589;1508173644;mircea_popescu;either you get that working or madagascar.
1725590;1508173647;asciilifeform;can rewrite this equation if you will, that we only know newton because he lived in system where his servant, for various reasons, did not eat him
1725591;1508173679;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wat's in that pic -- 2ndhand bukkake ?
1725592;1508173735;mircea_popescu;girls passing on their master's... essence let's say.
1725593;1508173746;mircea_popescu;from mouth to mouth.
1725594;1508173757;mircea_popescu;as i sure as fuck don't have the energy to dribble personally into each one,.
1725595;1508173896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the point here is that it's not a system. i suspect it's a stock. it's something of the nature of the servant and his tribe, not something of the manner of the servant and its tribe.
1725596;1508173945;mircea_popescu;or in other words, the nukes never posed any kind of threat to "the continuance of humanity" ; whereas the slow and painless devolvement into a sort of easter island / hawaiian "happines" through embalmed imbecility quite literally does.
1725597;1508173970;asciilifeform;time is the slow, guaranteed nuke.
1725598;1508173986;mircea_popescu;also the one nuke anyone likes to think they can outrun.
1725599;1508174039;mircea_popescu;in any case, it's not even that the us HASN'T written "the great american novel", as the historical consideration. it's that IT WON'T. and similarily, it's not that africa never discovered madagascar -- it's that IT NEVER WILL. and so following, bedouins never discovered flight NOR WILL THEY.
1725600;1508174072;mircea_popescu;"technological transfer" is no discovering.
1725601;1508174114;mircea_popescu;and i am starting to see the point of us military strategists a lot clearer thjan i ever did these days. just because the chinese got together a bunch of rockets doesn't automatically mean anything.
1725602;1508174139;asciilifeform;bedouin could have the last laugh : did not discover airplane, but also did not discover reddit.
1725603;1508174156;mircea_popescu;reddit is no discovery.
1725604;1508174172;asciilifeform;discovery in the chukcha-discovers-rotgut sense.
1725605;1508174185;mircea_popescu;but bedouin did so discover it.
1725606;1508174201;asciilifeform;he did?!
1725607;1508174202;mircea_popescu;what do you suppose you give 16 yo bedouin girl as a love gift ? smartphone enouigh to watch netflix, neh ?
1725608;1508174206;asciilifeform;i had nfi
1725609;1508174400;mircea_popescu;aaand in other pointy hat humour : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/The_Imperial_German_Army_1890_-_1913_HU68476.jpg General Adjutant Graf von Hulsen-Haeseler (Chief of the Kaiser's Military Cabinet, sixth from left, died one pleasant evening after dinner, while performing a pas seul dressed in a woman's ballet tutu for wilhelm 2 and other prussian noblemen in attendance.
1725610;1508175355;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1725612;1508176464;mircea_popescu;keks, bitcoin crash going to meet litecoin "market cap".
1725613;1508176539;BingoBoingo;Lol, in other lols the "no glass by the pool" is a common thing here too. "OMG Invisibru!!!"
1725614;1508176572;mircea_popescu;so use pyrex. there's unbreakable glass what.
1725615;1508176600;BingoBoingo;To orc, glass is glass.
1725616;1508176625;BingoBoingo;Pickle jar and vintage pyrex the same
1725617;1508176723;mircea_popescu;"Philine writes to me that she feels absolutely dreadful in spite of the clairvoyante who felt her in the rectum and gave her such helpful guidelines for her behavior".
1725618;1508177753;mircea_popescu;aaand in other nacht und nebel, i find this morning that yesterday i went skinny dipping a few kilometers off costa rica's principal concentration of crocodylus acutus.
1725619;1508177765;mircea_popescu;apparently surfers routinely lose limbs to these guys.
1725620;1508177779;mircea_popescu;i think this now qualifies as the superlative bender, retrospectively.
1725621;1508177785;asciilifeform;next i suppose is to visit forest where jaguar ?
1725622;1508177839;mircea_popescu;drunk at night naked & on foot ?
1725623;1508177861;mircea_popescu;eh why the hell not, apparently i'm untouchable. cleopatra-as-isis has been reborn in me and no mortal hand can harm such a one or how did it go.
1725624;1508177999;mircea_popescu;anyway. teh... "department of people deeply concerned with my continued welbeing" let's say is deeply concerned and humbly asks to please not do that again.
1725625;1508178011;mod6;ya!
1725626;1508178242;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oblig thematic classic: 'Из пасти у зверя / Торчит голова./ До берега / Ветер доносит слова: / - Непра... / Я не ве... - / Аллигатор вздохнул / И, сытый,/ В зеленую воду нырнул.'
1725627;1508178300;mircea_popescu;lol!
1725628;1508178391;asciilifeform;http://rasskajem.ru/foma << illustrated $subj.
1725629;1508178413;asciilifeform;( approx. 'doubting thomas' )
1725630;1508178453;mircea_popescu;i can't even claim that much. irresponsible enough to even know there was anything to doubt.
1725631;1508178466;asciilifeform;lol
1725632;1508178634;BingoBoingo;In other wonders, when you submit a quote request in Brazil for a full rack, the CTO sends an email
1725633;1508178687;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not really that surprising.
1725634;1508178727;shinohai;Well BingoBoingo I doubt they are making brazillions .....
1725635;1508178728;BingoBoingo;Well, when one becomes to recieving either jolo or rando ny Telestra sales staff, it is a change of pace
1725636;1508178731;shinohai;Ba dum tiss
1725637;1508178761;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pretty much everyone is HORRIBLE at lead conversion, and always has been. internet age eh.
1725638;1508179020;BingoBoingo;Well, for all the noise about tech in Asia...
1725639;1508179222;mircea_popescu;yes but the problem here isn't tech, it's "what to do when someone says hello".
1725640;1508179250;mircea_popescu;according to the majority of the contemporaries, the correct response is to move about incoherently while vocalizing vaguely and drooling slightly.
1725641;1508179456;BingoBoingo;Don't forget the ritual asking of questions over multiple round to show interest while panicking that someone is looking to buy!
1725642;1508179666;BingoBoingo;And the tech may also be problem too. It's starting to seem like everyone in Asia has MAX!!!111!!HIGHSPEED connected to noone else.
1725643;1508179692;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the miners-on-2cycle-petrol-modem was not sufficient hint ?
1725644;1508179756;BingoBoingo;You forget, in my world 2-cyle is for the pros. Nothing sadder than a 4-cycle strimmer
1725645;1508179791;asciilifeform;incidentally, 'bandwidth is cheap' is a misconception. the only folx who think 'cheap' are the ones who do not saturate their pipe. try saturating, 24/7/365, and you will find that not so cheap.
1725646;1508179809;asciilifeform;( leaving entirely aside subj of ddos etc )
1725647;1508180374;BingoBoingo;On the other hand, there is "not cheap" and then there are Pinoys offering a 10Mbps connection for a 42 U rack
1725648;1508180481;ben_vulpes;what *should a rack come with, 1Gbps? relatedly, how many ips
1725649;1508180499;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Minimum 10Gbps and minimum a C block
1725650;1508180516;BingoBoingo;Preferably 24-30 Gbps
1725651;1508180546;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do you have any idea what multi-G/s ~sustained~ typically costs ?
1725652;1508180584;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Hopefully Imma going to find out
1725653;1508180619;BingoBoingo;Both what the port itself costs and what the transfer costs
1725654;1508180620;asciilifeform;there are entire orcistans that don't add up to 30G/s sustained.
1725655;1508180671;BingoBoingo;Well, what are you asking for?
1725656;1508180699;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'unmetered 100m jack'
1725657;1508180782;BingoBoingo;That's 10 cable modems in DDoS mode or a single AWS+Wordpress away from collapse. Better to get the faster pipe and meter it
1725658;1508180838;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: attempting to outbandwidth ddos artists, dun work
1725659;1508180872;BingoBoingo;No, that's an accidental side effect. But the plus side is clients get seriously impressive speed
1725660;1508180873;asciilifeform;pill against ddos is to make the payoff of ddosing anything but entire set of nodes, 0.
1725661;1508180935;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: don't be asciilifeform from 3 wks ago who wondered why dc folx don't return calls, after he asked for '1u'
1725662;1508180954;asciilifeform;wildly batshit requests tend to end up in /dev/null
1725663;1508181009;asciilifeform;the folx who actually use sustained 30G/s etc ~build~ dcs, partner with telecom firms, and so on
1725664;1508181014;asciilifeform;they don't rent cages.
1725665;1508181021;asciilifeform;afaik.
1725666;1508181037;BingoBoingo;The reply percentage has gone up to ~60 percent in the past 2 weeks. Since Friday it's been +140%
1725667;1508181092;asciilifeform;( i have a very similar problem in meatspace -- i live in rented houses. the market for this is extremely thin ( discussed in old threads, i won't repeat ) because the expectation in gringolandia is 'if you have that kind of money, why wouldntcha BUY!111' etc  )
1725668;1508181115;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: neato
1725669;1508181145;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The thing about azns is they gossip.
1725670;1508181180;BingoBoingo;Or they are trying the leadgeneration/referral thing
1725671;1508181302;BingoBoingo;Anyways, in other corners of gringolandia the rental house market is fatter because Biddies wanna make money while they sleep
1725672;1508181387;BingoBoingo;Upwardly mobile pantsuit Biddies moves on from starter house, rents it, repeats every 5 years until they are 48 and overwhelmed their letting agency is interferring with their secretary gig
1725673;1508181456;BingoBoingo;Note this is also a big reason why Bedbugs are on the upswing.
1725674;1508181634;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: expand re bedbug
1725675;1508181655;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725645 << only believers come from the churches of "healthcare should be free" / "education should be accessible" etc schools of ourdemocracy krill.
1725676;1508181655;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 18:49 asciilifeform: incidentally, 'bandwidth is cheap' is a misconception. the only folx who think 'cheap' are the ones who do not saturate their pipe. try saturating, 24/7/365, and you will find that not so cheap.
1725677;1508181665;mircea_popescu;to them, it is.
1725678;1508181679;asciilifeform;things one dun use always seem very cheap eh.
1725679;1508181779;mircea_popescu;in related considerations : my mechanic here sends his kids to private highschool (see http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/#selection-217.0-227.376 ) at a cost of $600 per month. this does not include uniforms, food, textbooks, various other items.
1725680;1508181787;mircea_popescu;average salary here is ~half that ; and he has three of them.
1725681;1508181818;mircea_popescu;the irony isn't even the "not free" part ; but that what this fellow paying two average salaries per head gets is NOT WORTH MONEY.
1725682;1508181852;mircea_popescu;so : worthless $everything is cheap for the idiots and useless for everyone else, the great achievement of ourdemocracy.
1725683;1508181854;asciilifeform;not so diff in principle from uni tuition in usa ( add a zero to the price )
1725684;1508181890;mircea_popescu;right.
1725685;1508181903;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725648 << think what you'd like to have for your ideal box and multiply by 40 or so.
1725686;1508181903;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 19:01 ben_vulpes: what *should a rack come with, 1Gbps? relatedly, how many ips
1725687;1508181988;*;asciilifeform wonders how many dcs on the planet have anything remotely like sustained 1G * # of rack slots
1725688;1508182048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also, this is hs.
1725689;1508182081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we have these in usa also, pretty much everyone who can afford, sends children to some variant
1725690;1508182100;mircea_popescu;aha. preppies.
1725691;1508182105;mircea_popescu;NOT FUCKING MECHANICS.
1725692;1508182159;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725654 << this is false, or at best outdated. NETFLIX!
1725693;1508182159;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 19:03 asciilifeform: there are entire orcistans that don't add up to 30G/s sustained.
1725694;1508182161;asciilifeform;iirc most 'private school' ( as it is called in usa ) is run by catholic church.
1725695;1508182181;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: netflix is not '1g sustained' in our sense, it uses local caches
1725696;1508182195;mircea_popescu;local where ?
1725697;1508182206;asciilifeform;to major telecoms wherever
1725698;1508182212;mircea_popescu;and stop with the "unlimited" bs, that's how "blackhatworld" tards express themselves.
1725699;1508182212;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: expand re bedbug << The old women land lords when yet another tenant bails at their infestation goes with over the counter remedies half heartedly.
1725700;1508182227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and those don't run boxes then ? what is it, come out of a netflix toothpaste tube ?
1725701;1508182260;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they run boxes ~in isp~ . connectivity is not a scalar
1725702;1508182271;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what you're saying.
1725703;1508182305;asciilifeform;the fact that netflix-watching gurl in karachi gets to pretend she has 1G/s because the films are hosted in same cabinet as the other end from her gsm modem, does not help ~us~ get 1G/s from same dc in karachi
1725704;1508182317;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1725705;1508182347;asciilifeform;because we're doing arbitrary tcp to whole planet, presumably ? vs derping around inside one physical house
1725706;1508182381;mircea_popescu;so your idea of how netflix works is that a bunch of couch dwelling "Criminology" majors queue up before a dc to be shown their inane shit on the dc's wall mounted display ?
1725707;1508182394;asciilifeform;it isn't a seekrit , how it works
1725708;1508182413;mircea_popescu;yes, it isn't a secret, but apparently you've retreated into insanity with this whole thing.
1725709;1508182422;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, "internet doesn't really exist" next ?
1725710;1508182432;asciilifeform;my observation is strictly 'netflicks is NOT proof of massive bandwidth in turd world'
1725711;1508182447;mircea_popescu;petabit connections are routinely leased ; and if they aren't leased by us that ONLY means we suck and no more.
1725712;1508182447;asciilifeform;because it is eminently cacheable, and invests in caches.
1725713;1508182457;mircea_popescu;cache is not local ffs.
1725714;1508182466;asciilifeform;a petabit pipe was built ?!
1725715;1508182469;*;asciilifeform missed this
1725716;1508182483;mircea_popescu;not what i said.
1725717;1508182499;asciilifeform;how is a thing not yet built, leased ??
1725718;1508182512;BingoBoingo;Connection is not always single pipe
1725719;1508182522;mircea_popescu;same way i can own a thousand car fleet notwithstanding the "1000 car" has not yet been built.
1725720;1508182648;asciilifeform;incidentally this might explain BingoBoingo's pinoys : it is typical for folx who use massive bandwidth, to have own fiber laid through the dc's closet, rather than leasing it from the same people as the rack space
1725721;1508182649;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> what the fuck, "internet doesn't really exist" next ? << This exercise has done more to inform "How internet exists" than previous 31 years of life.
1725722;1508182687;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This is why you ask for a referral to the transit providers.
1725723;1508182697;mircea_popescu;anyway : worldwide traffic is what, 1mn petabit or thereabouts. the http://trilema.com/2016/the-megawatt-standard/ very much applies, we can't seriously propose to control x% of world's capital without controlling similar %s of energy production, data interchange etc.
1725724;1508182700;asciilifeform;my criticism is that BingoBoingo's request, at least as summarized earlier, looks precisely like the '1000 car'
1725725;1508182701;mircea_popescu;these are all teh healthy metrics.
1725726;1508182791;mircea_popescu;but anyway. l3 for instance has an installed capacity of 100 PB or so (these are bytes not bits). akamai in the same range.
1725727;1508182799;mircea_popescu;cloudflare doesn't even figure in this kind of discussion. and so on.
1725728;1508182805;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Anyways consider the case of 100 AMD G boards colo'd in a 4U case. How much speed for them?
1725729;1508182827;mircea_popescu;(ftr - akamai is a MIT piece of shit.)
1725730;1508182863;BingoBoingo;Also switch with multiple 10G ports can be had for less than used Kawasaki Ninja 250
1725731;1508182904;*;BingoBoingo has to expect outbound connection to take at least one, preferrably four of them
1725732;1508182929;BingoBoingo;the ports that is, not the switches
1725733;1508182969;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing this : lewin's "50k competition business idea" runs a quarter million boxes in something like a coupal thousand dcs. to compare and contrast with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724349
1725734;1508182969;a111;Logged on 2017-10-12 16:58 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in alt-republics, https://twitter.com/botsbreeder/status/836472673857232896
1725735;1508182989;mircea_popescu;(lewin was one of the people osama sent to their maker)
1725736;1508183067;mircea_popescu;and the origins of akamai lie in consistent hashing much like the origins of alphabet lie in the iterated graph thing.
1725737;1508183087;BingoBoingo;Anyways if all one wants is unmetered 100mbps the way for that is business internet connection to home office, box sleeps within 50 feet of own head. http://www.highlandcommunicationservices.com/HCSBusInt.php
1725738;1508183233;BingoBoingo;One thing that is becoming clear appears to be having Atlantic coast seemingly predicts better internet than Pacific coast
1725739;1508183287;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i would be surprised if there wasn't somewhere in teh walls of supersekrit beijing a document describing how creating an equivalent of the north atlantic in the south china sea is a fundamental chinese military/strategic goal for the year 2030.
1725740;1508183324;mircea_popescu;japan, australia, mainland, hk, taiwan, sg, koreas etc united by more installed capacity than london/amsterdam/ny etc
1725741;1508183677;mircea_popescu;as per that ancient "you defeat the enemy by outdigging him"
1725742;1508183969;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725663 << mno. those'd be the folks who want pb not gb.
1725743;1508183969;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 19:10 asciilifeform: the folx who actually use sustained 30G/s etc ~build~ dcs, partner with telecom firms, and so on
1725744;1508184164;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725730 << in fact inexpensive, i even have one here
1725745;1508184164;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 19:41 BingoBoingo: Also switch with multiple 10G ports can be had for less than used Kawasaki Ninja 250
1725746;1508184184;asciilifeform;( slightly moar expensive if you discard nsa.cisco & nsa.juniper )
1725747;1508184211;asciilifeform;not so many folx make 10G ( or even 1G, see l0gz ) nic chipset, sadly
1725748;1508184266;mircea_popescu;now, as to the matter of prices: the principal matter is whether you peer or you don't peer. peered traffic is FREE. unpeered traffic is about $9 per month per Mbps installed capacity.
1725749;1508184282;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> japan, australia, mainland, hk, taiwan, sg, koreas etc united by more installed capacity than london/amsterdam/ny etc << Hong Kong has tremendous interconnectivity through the HKIX system... within itself...
1725750;1508184290;mircea_popescu;except in some places (notably, australia, because telstra are imbeciles and want to be paid about 20x). vbut then again SIMPLY EXCLUDING shitholes is not actually a problem.
1725751;1508184309;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Even Ubiquiti makes at least one
1725752;1508184354;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the ~chipsets~
1725753;1508184390;BingoBoingo;Ah, well
1725754;1508184391;mircea_popescu;(peering is entirely not a different thing from how the bitcoin network works, at that)
1725755;1508184435;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> now, as to the matter of prices: the principal matter is whether you peer or you don't peer. peered traffic is FREE. unpeered traffic is about $9 per month per Mbps installed capacity. << AHA, long term idea is outgrow a major expense by becoming hot, sexy, blonde, pert peer
1725756;1508184480;mircea_popescu;that figure isn't right btw. .9.
1725757;1508184532;BingoBoingo;Anyways, a plus of Brazil is the language is just Spanish with a weird accent. Just like Romanian is near-spanish with a slavic accent.
1725758;1508184540;mircea_popescu;(telstra are not the only idiots trying to parlay their edge placement into "value". telecom argentina is possibly the worst offender, along with telefonica etc)
1725759;1508184554;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i recommend to learn ro, it'll cure you of this notion
1725760;1508184561;mircea_popescu;lol. for srs.
1725761;1508184626;BingoBoingo;Oh my, the reactions to the joak!
1725762;1508184656;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought ~all~ telecoms 'parlayed edge into value' -- if it weren't for the captive audiences, they'd be in the position of someone selling air ( and not on mars. on earth. not compressed, but stp. etc )
1725763;1508184708;asciilifeform;i dun need a telecom service to connect my shed to my living room. but if i want to connect to neighbour -- suddenly, do
1725764;1508184723;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah. it's always public-private partnership imbeciles, with no technical capacity and no seat at the table whatsoever. EXACT application of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725538
1725765;1508184723;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 16:39 mircea_popescu: they creted their very own usg ; it works EXACTLY the same way as the larger one, except it's made by even dumber people / inbred islander idiots, and it shows.
1725766;1508184754;asciilifeform;afaik in all of industrial world ALL telecoms are 'public-private partnerships', i.e. crown concessions, because randos dun get to dig up streets
1725767;1508184763;mircea_popescu;hence, argentina, australia, retarded "we too" orc ourdemocracies thoroughly convinced that soy farmers can build a country like they saw in unilever commercials.
1725768;1508184810;asciilifeform;this is how it worked ever since edison got Official monopoly on the right to dig up nyc streets
1725769;1508184814;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's more of an intellectual thing. the difference between a concession and a partnership is described in http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/
1725770;1508184835;mircea_popescu;he who receives a concession despises the concessor, sees self as no partner with the idiot.
1725771;1508184876;mircea_popescu;to put the matter in terms of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-16#1300594 a partnership is marriage ; a concession is simply using the daughter as a whore.
1725772;1508184876;a111;Logged on 2015-10-16 15:12 mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.
1725773;1508184910;mircea_popescu;the latter is very important because it blocks the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725588 of the girl's father.
1725774;1508184910;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 17:07 mircea_popescu: which circumstance makes me thing that http://78.media.tumblr.com/969bdde9852e908a43437df68d990fcc/tumblr_nljckvEPJ41tv1mk8o1_400.gif is the absolute best depiction of human culture that could ever be devised.
1725775;1508184930;mircea_popescu;and really the whole point of civilised society is the cheap, effectual castration of losers.
1725776;1508184965;asciilifeform;physical extinguishment of losers worked just as well for chingis khan et al
1725777;1508184976;asciilifeform;dunno why this foray into castrations.
1725778;1508184981;mircea_popescu;but back to the practical point : "retired" ben lawsky could not find a job with usg.comcast. leaving aside that argentine ben lawsky would not be retired by mp, because likely protected by complex orc tribal structure -- he WOULD very much end up at telco ag.
1725779;1508184988;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, this is not so.
1725780;1508185004;mircea_popescu;the problem with the physical extinction is that culture is more important than biology to the modern human.
1725781;1508185004;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Someone has to be an example for the potential losers, also mine uranium
1725782;1508185030;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hm ?
1725783;1508185034;mircea_popescu;i'd much rather have a flock of girls spawned by the common man who despise their stupid mothers ; than a flock of girls spawned by whatever set of bio-selected women however you care to select them.
1725784;1508185056;asciilifeform;biology still merciless, the offspring still 'regress to mean'
1725785;1508185073;asciilifeform;as in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725595
1725786;1508185073;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 17:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point here is that it's not a system. i suspect it's a stock. it's something of the nature of the servant and his tribe, not something of the manner of the servant and its tribe.
1725787;1508185088;mircea_popescu;they do regress to the mean, but then again you don't want the girls to use them as spawners anyway.
1725788;1508185103;mircea_popescu;let their sisters too dumb to find the way out spawn.
1725789;1508185121;asciilifeform;ain't that how we get untermenschen to begin with
1725790;1508185122;mircea_popescu;a job whose products regress to the mean is properly allocated to the lowest quality workers that can be found.
1725791;1508185191;asciilifeform;didn't mircea_popescu have an article where 'EVERY gurl despises 'her stupid mother', but then she lives another 30y and becomes exactly that mother'
1725792;1508185202;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am persuaded this is not so. let's revisit the discussion of the HUGENESS of the genetic reservoir, like in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715655
1725793;1508185202;a111;Logged on 2017-09-18 22:53 mircea_popescu: the vastness bag of possibilities presented by human genetics far far FARRRRR outstrips any vastness commonly contemplated, such as "how many atoms there are in the universe". this does not make it infinite, no, but there's much ado can be fit in the space between two "very large"s.
1725794;1508185224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but that article discusses "independent" "agents" not slavegirls/
1725795;1508185251;*;asciilifeform cannot comment on supposed 'hugeness of genetic reservoir', all of the public data has approx same relation to authentic physical reality as 'warmism' rawdata
1725796;1508185295;mircea_popescu;so, in short : the theory here is that it's perfectly safe to try and extract value out of human genetics by forcing the work of spawning be done by the least qualified part of society, because the universe of genetic possibility is indeed so great the damage thus done is negligible, and moreover for many centuries to come readily compensated by the benefit of miscegenation, ie more dispersed more deep exogamy.
1725797;1508185328;mircea_popescu;and it being the job of economy to find places where we can hide our misery under the rug, it then so stands : we can extract value out of this happenstance, so let's.
1725798;1508185341;asciilifeform;this'd work only if the aggregate stats dun matter, because 'the losers are gassed at 0 cost'
1725799;1508185351;mircea_popescu;the losers are gassed at 0 cost.
1725800;1508185357;asciilifeform;where?
1725801;1508185368;mircea_popescu;i don't see any of them here, is the logic, so they were gassed at 0 cost.
1725802;1508185369;asciilifeform;keep in mind, damage they do on their way to the oven, is cost
1725803;1508185411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how am i to be a wild-eyed reformer seeing prophetically into the great future when you keep bringing these pesky details to show just how fragile the whole edifice is!
1725804;1508185417;asciilifeform;lol
1725805;1508185425;mircea_popescu;but anywya, the theory is still sound. let me formalize.
1725806;1508185465;asciilifeform;gotta point out, they 'are not here' in person, no. but their exhaust products are, and asciilifeform for instance spends substantial time and effort scraping'em off every surface
1725807;1508185471;mircea_popescu;1. let there be a sexuate organism with a total 10 chromosomes with 100 loci each with 10 possible alelels for each locus and no other epigenetic phenomena whatsoever. no gene synonymy, nothing.
1725808;1508185501;mircea_popescu;2. let there be defined an intelligence, as the calculated hash of this genotype, by unreversible function F.
1725809;1508185523;mircea_popescu;3. let F display all the reverse-to-mean and other properties as observed in the fenotype function f as it is naturally apllied on human genetics.
1725810;1508185575;mircea_popescu;4. let it be the case that all individuals can be scalarily sorted by value on a gaussian centered on 0.
1725811;1508185611;mircea_popescu;in this formalism, two subzero individuals will most likely spawn a 0, producing a net gain in expected value through their replacement with their offspring.
1725812;1508185630;mircea_popescu;while two suprazero individuals who will also most likely spawn a 0 produce a net loss in expected value through similar replacement.
1725813;1508185630;asciilifeform;model where the 'intelligence' costs 0, is immediately a wtf
1725814;1508185668;mircea_popescu;it is then predicated that a group of such described individuals which burdens the subzeros with reproduction ands the suprazeros with everything else will outperform in the petri dish any groups doing any other thing,
1725815;1508185704;mircea_popescu;even without exogamy between these putative groups it is proposed the future costs of this approach ("draining the gene pool") are a) negligible and b) verty distant in the future. as in, 10`000s of years distant
1725816;1508185725;mircea_popescu;and moreover, it is further proposed that such exogamy is mandatory, the superior group will simply enslave the females of all others.
1725817;1508185728;mircea_popescu;~fin~
1725818;1508185762;mircea_popescu;now then, what's the objections ?
1725819;1508185854;asciilifeform;the fixed substrate, for one
1725820;1508185865;mircea_popescu;which ? the fixed genetic substrate you mean ?
1725821;1508185872;asciilifeform;the 'scalar sort' thing
1725822;1508185878;mircea_popescu;ah, that's weak as all hell.
1725823;1508185886;asciilifeform;'what's a winner' depends much on who's around.
1725824;1508185915;mircea_popescu;quite, i have no intention to defend that polyp of insanity.
1725825;1508186002;asciilifeform;sorta how d00d who is 3 metres tall, and chix with tits that require wheelbarrow, live in p.t. barnum's circus, and not 'winners'
1725826;1508186028;mircea_popescu;and yet you believe that your memory could be scalarily improved, thereby scalarily leading to a gain of intelligence.
1725827;1508186041;asciilifeform;rather why the particular shape, size, physically and otherwise, of people, changes very slowly ( geologically )
1725828;1508186041;mircea_popescu;i'm not proposing you seriously entertain the model,
1725829;1508186099;asciilifeform;the basic 'improve memory' device was the clay tablet, papyrus, etc -- everything after that, is variation on theme
1725830;1508186175;asciilifeform;as for meat memory, it is conceivable that it could be improved in exchange for some steel ( from genetic pov ) price -- risk of fatal seizures, say.
1725831;1508186182;asciilifeform;*steep
1725832;1508186222;asciilifeform;kanzure et al ( or their predecessor culture ) had some term for this, but i fughet what it was.
1725833;1508186283;asciilifeform;!!up mircea_popescu
1725834;1508186283;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1725835;1508186289;mircea_popescu;o hey, check that out! this was actual RST injection : my box received a rst "from" peer (185.30.166.38) whereas that peer simply saw me drop. in other words, the above conn loss was factually third party DoS.
1725836;1508186289;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725828 << but i am saying that we're very much forced to it by lack of workable alternative.
1725837;1508186289;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 20:34 mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing you seriously entertain the model,
1725838;1508186312;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i get these not uncommonly
1725839;1508186318;asciilifeform;looks exactly like that, rst.
1725840;1508186340;mircea_popescu;what's the expectation, that we'll leak key or what exactly.
1725841;1508186386;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's 'intelligent nsa' cosmography, it'd have to be 'and the white van pulled up and now we gotta get this d00d to unsheath his keysword..'
1725842;1508186399;asciilifeform;but in real life likely bored intern.
1725843;1508186406;mircea_popescu;if only.
1725844;1508186499;asciilifeform;upstack, i can't resist to point out that story in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725769 with the gold mountain, is quite similar to the infamous chinese pyramids
1725845;1508186499;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 20:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's more of an intellectual thing. the difference between a concession and a partnership is described in http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/
1725846;1508186540;asciilifeform;( world's largest pyramids -- not in egypt, but in cn. discovered by accident during ww2, from a bomber camera. to this day barbed wire around'em, no-go zone, 0 publication. )
1725847;1508186556;asciilifeform;much more valuable 'in the wrapper', this candy.
1725848;1508186592;mircea_popescu;the whole teracotta thing ?
1725849;1508186616;asciilifeform;iirc that was small fraction of one particular dig, in rough vicinity of $subj
1725850;1508186624;mircea_popescu;anyway, sino-egyptian pre-greek contact is very likely.
1725851;1508186630;asciilifeform;devilknows
1725852;1508187040;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725827 << in fact this is the very substance of the argument : because of the immense inertia involved, it is "safe" to have children spawned by the idiots. the large numbers of non-idiots or should i say not-specifically-selected-for-idiocy antecessors will slowly filter back out, so you get something for nothing.
1725853;1508187040;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 20:34 asciilifeform: rather why the particular shape, size, physically and otherwise, of people, changes very slowly ( geologically )
1725854;1508187054;mircea_popescu;an altogether different kind of fat burning.
1725855;1508187067;asciilifeform;just like 'safe' to sink sr-90 in ocean etc
1725856;1508187090;asciilifeform;exhaustion of finite resource, looks entirely always 'infinite until not'
1725857;1508187098;mircea_popescu;aha.
1725858;1508187106;mircea_popescu;the numbers here look better than the numbers for oil, however.
1725859;1508187133;mircea_popescu;there ARE alternate sources of energy. there's no alternate source of intelligence. cunt is all there is.
1725860;1508187154;mircea_popescu;the historical approach to this divide, proclaiming women dumb "by nature" and splitting the cake that way is evidently suboptimal and won't be revisited.
1725861;1508187158;mircea_popescu;so what's left, practically ?
1725862;1508187166;asciilifeform;i dun have hard proofs, but... it isn't inconceivable that, e.g., french rev & the consequences, happened when it did because of genetic degradation
1725863;1508187176;mircea_popescu;i would say it is inconceivable.
1725864;1508187180;mircea_popescu;cultural degradation, yes.
1725865;1508187180;asciilifeform;why'sthat
1725866;1508187225;mircea_popescu;because the size of the genetic universe of possibility / potential space is so entirely immense, all of european history wouild not have sufficed to perceptibly alter anything even if directed deliberately.
1725867;1508187244;asciilifeform;dun have to be degradation of 'whole europe'
1725868;1508187250;asciilifeform;just of the ruling brahmins
1725869;1508187278;mircea_popescu;and cultural degradation here means something very specific -- it is all brought about by the hajnal fault line.
1725870;1508187305;asciilifeform;1 megamystery ( at least to asciilifeform ) is why hajnal line even exists
1725871;1508187349;mircea_popescu;the ancient culture predicated on the ♂/♀ split had to be replaced with a more effectual eloi/moloch split.
1725872;1508187360;mircea_popescu;this is not an easy thing to do, precisely because it's such a deep, far reaching matter.
1725873;1508187368;mircea_popescu;and so hafta go through the whole mess to sort it out.
1725874;1508187417;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because in a large pile of people who did not perceive a problem with "women are dumb because they are women" a speck of "this is not so" emerged. this is altogether very much a http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ / luminous scenario.
1725875;1508187464;asciilifeform;there was another mircea_popescu article re , iirc, buggery, with similar thesis
1725876;1508187486;mircea_popescu;which one was this ?
1725877;1508187491;asciilifeform;where on 1 hand mr turing has a point, and folx beat him for no particularly good reason; on other hand the civilization with ~no~ arbitrary rules, goes unglued.
1725878;1508187501;mircea_popescu;ah. yeah.
1725879;1508187559;asciilifeform;possibly this was the piece re buluceala in the mosque
1725880;1508187577;mircea_popescu;anyway, to underscore : i don't mean "cultural degradation" in some kind of paseist "o woe, things used to be great". no. rather, things used to suck and it finally became obvious what the problem is exactly. and as luck usually has it in such contexts, first you gotta throw out all the babies with all the bathwaters, then draw new baths, make new babies...
1725881;1508187582;mircea_popescu;there's no patching human culture.
1725882;1508187588;asciilifeform;'gotta have ordered ranks; exactly ordered ~how~ is distantly secondary'
1725883;1508187599;mircea_popescu;there was also a that one.
1725884;1508187640;asciilifeform;most recently historically, consider lenin's 'rank-less' red army, and slowly growing back all of the ranks of imperial ru
1725885;1508187651;mircea_popescu;yes, but see, two points i wish to make here :
1725886;1508187654;asciilifeform;culminating in brezhnev's re-introduction of the feldwebel
1725887;1508187662;asciilifeform;( прапорщик in modern ru )
1725888;1508187678;mircea_popescu;a) that there was no direct route from imperial ranks to soviet ranks and b) that therefore the lenin moment is JUST AS necessary and "Correct" or how you call it as stalin's. there's no "error".
1725889;1508187697;asciilifeform;i didn't colour the revolutions, as error
1725890;1508187704;mircea_popescu;both did the right thing. first, teardown of the nonsense, with a lot of "unnecessary" collateral damage -- except if it weren't damaged it'd have been way the fuck necssary to damage it.
1725891;1508187706;mircea_popescu;and only then etc.
1725892;1508187711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah.
1725893;1508187759;asciilifeform;the inbred brahmins get the noyade and guillotine, as surely as california kindling catches fire
1725894;1508187778;mircea_popescu;well, so applying this to the french revolution point of interest -- you're going to end up with a lot of "kings are bad, mkay, notwithstanding monarchy is the only workable system" because... because how else is napoleon to pass legislation allowing pregnant women to eat anything off the market stalls and not be punished for it ?
1725895;1508187798;mircea_popescu;if the merchant being "Stolen" from doesn't believe he could be a fieldmarchal's father one day, what sells him on it ?
1725896;1508187853;mircea_popescu;in this perspective, the empire became an absolute necessity, topless Republique glorieuse y compris, once the literary salons ran their course.
1725897;1508187870;asciilifeform;to certain (limited, as observed by napoleon himself, 'can do whatever with bayonet, but not sit on it' extent -- the bayonet up the arse is incentive
1725898;1508187885;mircea_popescu;!~google marianne
1725899;1508187887;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Marianne - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne>; Marianne | “Le goût de la vérité n'empêche pas de prendre parti” A ...: <https://www.marianne.net/>; Marianne Williamson: Welcome: <https://marianne.com/>
1725900;1508188438;asciilifeform;in other orc lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/orcmail.jpg
1725901;1508188478;BingoBoingo;My the stamps
1725902;1508188492;asciilifeform;0 customs problems with ^ . even though i'm pretty sure that if you bring something that looks like this to an american post office, you won't get to walk home on own legs
1725903;1508188712;shinohai;"Hmmm .... you think 80 stamps will be enuf to ship this?"
1725904;1508188754;asciilifeform;shinohai: in some orcistans, post office dun even handle money, as such, or the orc staff will steal it. so gotta pay for ALL mail with... stamps
1725905;1508188810;asciilifeform;in usa this is only not a thing because of lavish ( by manual labourer standards ) pay for postmen
1725906;1508188902;ben_vulpes;in other weak rsa key news: https://www.yubico.com/support/security-advisories/ysa-2017-01/
1725907;1508191582;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: check this out, the 'vuln test' is... https://github.com/crocs-muni/roca/tree/master/roca/tests << spoiler: checks fp against enumerated badness
1725908;1508191595;asciilifeform;no actual detail of rng diddle, shown.
1725909;1508191611;asciilifeform;quite conceivably they simply lifted from phuctor.
1725910;1508191655;BingoBoingo;lol
1725911;1508191924;asciilifeform;https://www.usenix.org/sites/default/files/conference/protected-files/security16_slides_svenda.pdf << the very dubious orig item. ( can skip straight to last pic )
1725912;1508192019;asciilifeform;( https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity16/sec16_paper_svenda.pdf << equally dubious, and on top of it all plagiaristic, long ver )
1725913;1508192111;asciilifeform;the above item, will point out, is not news, was even iirc discussed here
1725914;1508192129;asciilifeform;but the 'omfg we factored some keyz' presumably had to wait for phuctor to go down
1725915;1508194887;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1725916;1508194905;mircea_popescu;hey, they waited, we let them. takes two legs for usg to walk on.
1725917;1508195124;shinohai;https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/227   <<< I archived this but has annoying white block in page, can't read
1725918;1508195133;shinohai;Anyway, adios US customers of Buttfunex
1725919;1508196990;mircea_popescu;i think the evolution of the usg reclaimation of their own buterin waterfals is well documented by now, it's always the same thing.
1725920;1508197040;mircea_popescu;first they get some convicted criminal to steal some data and start a site, then they use it to prop their hallucinations re bitcoin and fiat, then they pretend it was all illegal, then they run off with it, then they start a few more, it's like watching housewives fuck/
1725921;1508197068;mircea_popescu;tiresome but boring.
1725922;1508198963;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hVJxL/?raw=true
1725923;1508200093;mircea_popescu;aand in other fucktoys, http://78.media.tumblr.com/57ec870fa72593989b7a1a67d6fd6453/tumblr_nlwodiHVw51u37bn1o1_500.gif
1725924;1508201600;mod6;nice pics of the beach.
1725925;1508201611;mod6;i lul'd about the food in the icebox.
1725926;1508203768;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it!
1725927;1508203835;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and the hour is nearly come, t=-<1wk .
1725928;1508204005;mircea_popescu;mod6 hey, you spend a year teaching goy chicks to make proper matzah balls, you're not gonna sit around and hope maybe one of the local tupi tribesmen managed to impale an edible iguana that evening.
1725929;1508204140;mircea_popescu;(and no, that's not what shiksa is.)
1725930;1508206800;mod6;mircea_popescu: makes sense.  sounds like you're prepared.
1725931;1508206826;mod6;Ready to have a nice evening out with a picnic.
1725932;1508210137;BingoBoingo;And in latest developments, China Mobile is making a push for my attention again, this time offering 10 and 20 Gbps ports. Still no numbers yet.
1725933;1508210186;BingoBoingo;^ asciilifeform this suggests 100 Mbps may be eliciting the same response from the connectivity endowed as request for 1U
1725934;1508210984;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1725935;1508210991;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5593.09, vol: 10447.09398483 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5599.6, vol: 34915.53636612 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4263.1212, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5616.8, vol: 3578.83709046 | Volume-weighted last average: 5599.46811626
1725936;1508212154;mircea_popescu;mod6 word!
1725937;1508212247;mircea_popescu;and in the latest of dangers, http://trilema.com/2017/the-majority-of-things-are-build-through-eggpress/#comment-123185
1725938;1508212541;mod6;my sides
1725939;1508213407;BingoBoingo;lololololol
1725940;1508216458;asciilifeform;relatedly, asciilifeform turned over a stone and saw a great many worms, none of them in any way remarkable.
1725941;1508219442;BingoBoingo;The last time I did that there was a grub with the worms
1725942;1508219646;BingoBoingo;!!Up vik2839
1725943;1508219647;deedbot;vik2839 voiced for 30 minutes.
1725944;1508219755;jurov;slovakia too: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/crypto-failure-cripples-millions-of-high-security-keys-750k-estonian-ids/?amp=1
1725945;1508219963;jurov;"The flaw resides in the Infineon-developed RSA Library version v1.02.013, specifically within an algorithm it implements for RSA primes generation. "
1725946;1508220343;jurov;mod6: ben_vulpes: shall i renew therealbitcoin.org/com using foundation funds?
1725947;1508220406;mircea_popescu;oh i see, "conspiracy theories" is it.
1725948;1508220408;mircea_popescu;schmucks.
1725949;1508232897;BingoBoingo;"You could now go to court and deny that it was you that signed something—there would be no way to prove it, because theoretically, anyone could have worked out your private key." << WTF Mate?
1725950;1508240587;phf;https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2017/10/16/the-russian-cryptoruble-story-whats-actually-happening-here/ Russian crypto currency with Russian cryptography
1725951;1508244065;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i have nfi, apparently the idiotreich by now imagines i have to make the case, not it.
1725952;1508244095;mircea_popescu;phf who the fuck is some tool named david know or have to say about "ruble" anyway
1725953;1508244175;mircea_popescu;anyway, let's briefly revisit the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725733 akamai story to establish some points of republican accounting.
1725954;1508244175;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 19:42 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing this : lewin's "50k competition business idea" runs a quarter million boxes in something like a coupal thousand dcs. to compare and contrast with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724349
1725955;1508244200;mircea_popescu;so, this entity has Gross Receipts on the level of about 2.5bn, for simplicity.
1725956;1508244226;mircea_popescu;Gross Margin is specifically what's left of revenue (aka GR) once you substract the capital costs. that's maintenance, amortization, scl.
1725957;1508244290;mircea_popescu;possibly something like 50% GM makes sense, at least at the level of precision contemplated here. it's not so far off to say that a) the lifetime of a box is a year ; b) the lifetime cost of a box is about 5k and c) there are no other capital goods in akamai.
1725958;1508244304;mircea_popescu;these are all gross approximations, of course, but not really THAT far off.
1725959;1508244347;mircea_popescu;Net Margin is what's left of the GM once all human costs have been substracted. this includes all salaries, ALL TAX, compliance, etcetera.
1725960;1508244361;mircea_popescu;because no, as a point of republican ideology no tax is anything other than a salary.
1725961;1508244387;mircea_popescu;and that's about the whole story, really.
1725962;1508244392;mircea_popescu;davout ^
1725963;1508244559;mircea_popescu;(and in other lulz : http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/akam ; now try and find their fucking annual reports, and when the link 404s think to yourself that hey, this is perfectly fine, after all it's nasdaq, a perfectly legitimate scamsite, because pantsuit says so! for ourdemocracy vorwarts!!!)
1725964;1508244643;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is nasdaq.com linking to companyspotlight.com that seo-redirects to orderanualreports.com any fucking different from randomscamsite.lol redirecting to fakeoffers.hurr redirecting to 419emergency.site ?
1725965;1508244683;mircea_popescu;but let's talk instead of what proof i have that the proof there displayed is proving anything, amirite.
1725966;1508244698;mircea_popescu;all dem toxicfax an whatnot.
1725967;1508245121;mircea_popescu;(oh and since we're on usg tools : nominum, nsa's shell company used in the "community consensus" building of the reformed dns system etc, ended up parked in akamai's basement for "an undisclosed amount" earlier this year. which is how these work and why they exist in the first place.)
1725968;1508247025;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725950 << hilarious homogoogletranslaticus : 'we know that there are certain bookmark mechanisms in this cryptography'
1725969;1508247025;a111;Logged on 2017-10-17 11:43 phf: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2017/10/16/the-russian-cryptoruble-story-whats-actually-happening-here/ Russian crypto currency with Russian cryptography
1725970;1508247051;asciilifeform;orig of course was 'закладки'
1725971;1508247092;asciilifeform;in this case, of course, logicbomb
1725972;1508247393;asciilifeform;in other thefts, 'The researchers went on to find 15 factorizable keys used for TLS. Strangely, almost all of them contain the string "SCADA" in the common name field.'
1725973;1508247416;asciilifeform;'researchers' didjaknow.
1725974;1508247463;asciilifeform;!#s scada
1725975;1508247464;a111;8 results for "scada", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=scada
1725976;1508247954;mircea_popescu;hurr.
1725977;1508248268;ben_vulpes;jurov: yes please
1725978;1508251037;mod6;Yup, sounds good jurov.  Thanks!
1725979;1508252478;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/asphalt-tango-revisited/ << Trilema - Asphalt Tango, revisited
1725980;1508252590;phf;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform i will admit i didn't read the article, original is in ru, various english transcommentaries are no better than this david guy.
1725981;1508252685;phf;i figured it's as good as any placeholder for "cryptoruble", but yes, david is a "unix system administrator by day" who looks like this https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/david-gerard-by-pauline-martindale-225x300.jpg, which makes him supremely qualified to comment on russia, bitcoin, technology, economics, …
1725982;1508252734;mircea_popescu;i fucking hate fucktards who post web quality pics with "by random schmuky hipster" bylines.
1725983;1508252742;phf;actually i'm just going to leave the whole about page here https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/about/
1725984;1508252755;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1725985;1508252771;mircea_popescu;it takes a very special sort of tard to buy subdomains off co.uk's blog.
1725986;1508252816;mircea_popescu;phf speaking of blogs, here's a trick : https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/david-gerard-by-pauline-martindale.jpg
1725987;1508252851;phf;i'd rather look ad david in lower resolution
1725988;1508252865;mircea_popescu;anyway, i would expect "his interest in russia" dates from the 90s, back when he was a 39 yo bachelor "looking to expand his dating horizons"
1725989;1508252909;phf;“He was previously an award-winning music journalist, and has blogged about music at Rocknerd since 2001. He is a volunteer spokesman for Wikipedia, and is on the board of the RationalMedia Foundation, host of skeptical wiki RationalWiki. Originally from Australia, he lives in east London with his spouse Arkady and their daughter. Until he reinstalled the laptop they were on, he was the proud owner of six Dogecoins.”
1725990;1508252925;mircea_popescu;ahaha.
1725991;1508252939;mircea_popescu;totally called it. arkady eh.
1725992;1508253293;phf;and for those who'd like an even deeper david rabbit hole, https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/David_Gerard and https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Arkady, i am otherwise tapping out. first article of the day, and i've already had enough
1725993;1508254432;shinohai; Well thanks phf .... that's enough internet for me today.
1725994;1508254955;asciilifeform;ahahaha wat am i reading and why
1725995;1508254971;asciilifeform;arkady is a boy's name btw
1725996;1508255138;shinohai;https://twitter.com/x0rz/status/919888593958694912   <<< Your first day as a darknet market and you realize those Indians from fivver fucked you.
1725997;1508255143;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so ?
1725998;1508255347;mircea_popescu;shinohai from the same source, https://twitter.com/x0rz/status/920311815124504576 << what's he on about ? of... course they would.
1725999;1508255413;shinohai;kek
1726000;1508256312;shinohai;In other faulty rng's http://archive.is/Wm4e7
1726001;1508256365;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8noNp/?raw=true
1726002;1508259278;shinohai;"Bitcoin Crash is teh REAL Bitcoin, hurr durr" http://archive.is/UXqol
1726003;1508259293;shinohai;Brought to you by this scammer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Ayre
1726004;1508260876;asciilifeform;'Ayre plans to build Bodog into a mainstream 21st-century digital entertainment conglomerate. He is noted for his "billionaire bad boy" image yet shrewd business sense.'
1726005;1508260903;asciilifeform;and pediwikia Definitely Not Hourly Cocksucker For Usgshills...
1726006;1508262077;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in orlols, https://archive.is/Bz5MY >> 'The final numbers, announced early the next day, came to exactly 59 dead and 527 wounded, and they haven't been updated since. Of the wounded, not a single person has subsequently died. It appears that the only two options were instant death or swift recovery.'
1726007;1508262269;asciilifeform;( re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722152 )
1726008;1508262269;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 01:03 mircea_popescu: well, yes, but then again how many of the 500 will join the choir invisible ?
1726009;1508263309;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725962 <<< ¿qué?
1726010;1508263309;a111;Logged on 2017-10-17 12:46 mircea_popescu: davout ^
1726011;1508264702;asciilifeform;in other lulz, via phf's links, https://archive.is/0Zm7C
1726012;1508264736;phf;huh, odd, i thought ed was dead for good
1726013;1508264800;asciilifeform;'He really is a bisexual goth s&m freak with a disabled wife and furry girlfriend, and he got that girlfriend pregnant, while his wife has her own girlfriend. He really is a senior member of Wikipedia - the motherfucking UK media spokesperson and a Checkuser. He is meant to be respectable! He uses his real name in all of this. These are his real photos that he took himself, and has listed for public download. It is very difficult to
1726014;1508264800;asciilifeform;find "normal" pictures of him - or Arkady - or "Red Countess" (his (ex)wife). It is just plain and simply impossible to make any fun of him any worse than this. What more could you say that isn't actually true already? David Gerard himself is disappointed that this article doesn't make fun of him more.'
1726015;1508264847;shinohai;"I was going to burn this money in front of some homeless people, but this seemed like a bigger waste."
1726016;1508264850;shinohai;lol
1726017;1508264876;asciilifeform;'sysadmin on RationalWiki'
1726018;1508264962;asciilifeform;phf: it may well be dead, i'm quoting from an archived pg
1726019;1508266384;mircea_popescu;" He is noted for his "billionaire bad boy" image yet shrewd business sense." << what the everloving fuck ?
1726020;1508266430;mircea_popescu;PSA : hey schmucks -- it's ok to exist without attempting to pretend you're me. seriously now. being MP isn't for everyone. not quite managing to be MP isn't the end of the world.
1726021;1508266435;mircea_popescu;jesus christ already.
1726022;1508266507;mircea_popescu;davout trying to include you into republican affairs in the only apparently remaining opportunity, ie discussions of accounting reform.
1726023;1508266576;mircea_popescu;phf it's been dead for at least a decade.
1726024;1508266836;asciilifeform;bonus: https://archive.is/Wlcla << subj.
1726025;1508266844;mircea_popescu;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/9/91/David_Gerard_wedding_pics.jpg <<< ima use this as the standard illustration of new russia.
1726026;1508266865;asciilifeform;d00d is as american as mickey-d afaik
1726027;1508266869;mircea_popescu;so ?
1726028;1508266896;mircea_popescu;i don't go to school and i kill people.
1726029;1508266900;mircea_popescu;whatever, i do what i want.
1726030;1508266920;asciilifeform;http://pbfcomics.com/comics/now-showing/ << related.
1726031;1508266996;mircea_popescu;lol
1726032;1508267026;mircea_popescu;i like how the zebra has a shooster of its own.
1726033;1508267099;asciilifeform;http://pbfcomics.com/comics/metamorph-assist/ << recent, apropos.
1726034;1508267360;asciilifeform;upstack, in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725998 is mentioned a https://twitter.com/AlgoVPN , 'Set up a personal IPSEC VPN in the cloud. We are an open source project supported by @trailofbits' , which -- hilariously and not at all secretly -- is nsa contractor
1726035;1508267360;a111;Logged on 2017-10-17 15:49 mircea_popescu: shinohai from the same source, https://twitter.com/x0rz/status/920311815124504576 << what's he on about ? of... course they would.
1726036;1508267388;mircea_popescu;hey, nsa is not teh terrorists.
1726037;1508267391;*;asciilifeform at one time familiar with subj through direct contact in the saeculum
1726038;1508267413;asciilifeform;was working in a salt mine that subcontracted for 'bits'
1726039;1508267479;asciilifeform;'Oct 11   We were denied funding for a rewrite focused on ease of use. Can any of our users help us get funding?' << ahahahahaha
1726040;1508267511;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL5-jkUVQAA-MrL.jpg ^
1726041;1508267632;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, https://archive.is/LeUKx#selection-4015.124-4015.211 <<->> http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/#selection-2863.0-2863.4 yet STILL can't come out with "oh ok, whadda ya know, turns out MP owns all teh interwebz".
1726042;1508267648;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/65x3G/?raw=true << elsewhere in the reich. ( entomologists only )
1726043;1508267760;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A480v/?raw=true
1726044;1508267795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it !
1726045;1508268191;mircea_popescu;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/6/66/Playboykitty.jpg << who the fuck has doors like that. what is this, a film set ?!
1726046;1508268477;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anglodwelling have doors like that. i have a set right here.
1726047;1508268491;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1726048;1508268492;asciilifeform;these microscopic 'hallways', the size of phone booth
1726049;1508268502;asciilifeform;doors on 3 side.
1726050;1508268510;mircea_popescu;is this how the anglotards have sex then ? they bump into each other at that delicate moment of confuswion when crossind thresholds ?
1726051;1508268549;asciilifeform;that item, btw, is not something i've observed anywhere, even in anglotardistan
1726052;1508268555;asciilifeform;it seems to exist only in mircea_popescu's argentina
1726053;1508268562;mircea_popescu;so i've been for the past 15 minutes reading about the problems of poor people. jesus christ who even gives a twinkling fuck.
1726054;1508268574;mircea_popescu;also, teeny scorpions album covers are a problem now ?
1726055;1508268585;asciilifeform;waiwat
1726056;1508268705;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently that ancient picture of a whatever she was, 12 yo mostly naked resulted in some sort of turmoil.
1726057;1508268709;asciilifeform;aaa
1726058;1508268744;mircea_popescu;i dunno, they had a thing going in the 80s, most all of the slowly-irrelevantizing bands of "classic rock" put out pre-fuck chick covers.
1726059;1508268773;mircea_popescu;https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Virgin_Killer item
1726060;1508268966;mircea_popescu;"In a 2008 interview, Schenker added "We would never again do something like this".[11] The band's former lead guitarist Uli Jon Roth notes that the cover art of the "old Scorpion albums" were "usually done by other people".[10] He has since expressed regret over the original album cover: Looking at that picture today makes me cringe. It was done in the worst possible taste. Back then I was too immature to see that." and bull
1726061;1508268967;mircea_popescu;crap.
1726062;1508268983;mircea_popescu;people really need to stop paying attention to old twat's "taste" and generally expectations.
1726063;1508269013;asciilifeform;'we regret our foray into being people, and promise to become compliant cockroaches forevermoar'
1726064;1508269040;mircea_popescu;whatever, minor band in the later days of a minor subculture.
1726065;1508269109;mircea_popescu;Vcalist Klaus Meine explains that the band's penchant for controversial cover art stems from a desire "to go over the edge" and not "to offend some people or make the headlines [as] that would be stupid" << what the fuck does this even mean ?
1726066;1508269186;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1726022 <<< lolwut
1726067;1508269186;a111;Logged on 2017-10-17 18:55 mircea_popescu: davout trying to include you into republican affairs in the only apparently remaining opportunity, ie discussions of accounting reform.
1726068;1508269193;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only thing that comes to mind is the now famous soviet самокритика, and the significantly less famous but culturally much more important habiot of medieval tards to conduct "religious debates" with the jews, lose miserably, then claim "draw".
1726069;1508269211;davout;the akamai thing just didn't make much sense to me
1726070;1508269217;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1726071;1508269369;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-29#650435 << in other blasts from teh past.
1726072;1508269369;a111;Logged on 2014-04-29 22:47 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
1726073;1508272780;asciilifeform;in blasts from the even moar distant past, https://archive.is/SIBFA << yet another diddled konsoomer ciphertron from 1980s
1726074;1508273764;asciilifeform;!~later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net appears to be down -- is it in same brother's grave as dulap ?
1726075;1508273764;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1726076;1508273822;asciilifeform;re dulap : it, mind-bogglingly, is... still up
1726077;1508273881;asciilifeform;oh hm, finally dead as of today.
1726078;1508274081;asciilifeform;( do we still say 'died' when a zombie goes back to his grave..? )
1726079;1508275105;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-mechanic-2/ << Trilema - The Mechanic
1726080;1508280557;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1726081;1508280564;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5575.0, vol: 9677.78776607 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5570.1, vol: 34213.01771368 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5580.0, vol: 3633.87767441 | Volume-weighted last average: 5571.85480495
1726082;1508295328;BingoBoingo;"A quick consultation with Satan established that Our Dark Lord and Master doesn't like her much at all. Satan doesn't like furries even though Satan is, himself, a yiffing furry with a Goatlord fursona - Satan is allowed to be a hypocrite because he is Satan." << Not bad, but #trilema sorta raises the bar above this. Oh to go back to binge reading ED 2009
1726083;1508295333;BingoBoingo;*in 2009
1726084;1508295531;BingoBoingo;If only the wikipedos could be banished to a world where snakes are wide instead of long
1726085;1508296008;BingoBoingo;https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Fan_death
1726086;1508297138;BingoBoingo;https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Stephen_Paddock << And in recent events
1726087;1508302059;hanbot;asciilifeform yeah thewhet.net is X_X atm. i'm futzing around with nfs to see if i can finagle a mp-wp-cum-import with them.
1726088;1508302602;BingoBoingo;In other old meme https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/9/99/Cavitysearchpedobear.jpg
1726089;1508302626;mircea_popescu;lol did you fall in a hole ?
1726090;1508302925;BingoBoingo;I may have
1726091;1508303135;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : on the day of the democratic national congress, bula paddock in school, during music class. the teacher is "kids, prepare your instruments". bula paddock opens his violin case and closes it back quickly. the teacher notices, comes over, opens the case and finds a machine gun.
1726092;1508303143;mircea_popescu;"bula, what are you doing with a machine gun in school ?"
1726093;1508303168;mircea_popescu;"nevermind what ~I~'m doing with a machine gun in school. i'm fucking curious what dad's gonna do with a violin at the congress."
1726094;1508303459;BingoBoingo;Poor congress
1726095;1508306814;mircea_popescu;and in other "romanian is 100% about sexual innuendo and nobody can ever hope to translate trilema.ro" exercises, ttp://trilema.com/2011/chec-cu-tite/
1726096;1508308031;BingoBoingo;And having escaped one hole, from deep in the mines of another: "This poll scared me more than just about any other I have seen in the past months. If Trump can turn his base against the NFL, then what can’t he get them to do?"
1726097;1508335949;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/16/turning_a_hard_disk_drive_into_an_ear << prolly worx with all recent mechanical hdd
1726098;1508336341;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726087 << mp’s wp worx on nfsco BUT not the comments spamfilter ( it relies on static ip ). nfsco is also incompatible with mp-style pill against dnsism ( 1980s hand-curated /etc/hosts ), see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654113 thread
1726099;1508336341;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 04:47 hanbot: asciilifeform yeah thewhet.net is X_X atm. i'm futzing around with nfs to see if i can finagle a mp-wp-cum-import with them.
1726100;1508336341;a111;Logged on 2017-05-10 16:21 asciilifeform: IT ISN'T A STATIC IP !!!!
1726101;1508336449;asciilifeform;and neither of these is a bug, or will ever be fixed, nfs co’s. ddosproofing relies on the dynamic ip shenanigans
1726102;1508336575;asciilifeform;the up-side, of course, is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720008 .
1726103;1508336575;a111;Logged on 2017-10-03 03:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979 << gotta appreciate this peculiar fact : asciilifeform used nfs co. service since 2007. not misprint : a decade sharp as of a few mo. ago. with ZERO MAINTENANCE and ZERO hassle and ~zero downtime and laughed at GB/s ddoses and do i have to go on ?
1726104;1508337848;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo heh they're finally starting to figure out that there's a fucking difference between painting a state blue in the sense that 300 more people could be arsed to answer the phone out of a population of 5mn is VERY DIFFERENT from turning a state red in the sense that you've got ten k people there ready to shoot.
1726105;1508337924;mircea_popescu;"hurr durr, so-and-so is traditionally a democratic stronghold in the very limited sense that people there are willing to spend an hour on a sunday supporting democrats if it's not raining, and if the support is limited to stamping a piece of paper once. and if it's not gonna happen more often than once every few years at the most."
1726106;1508337942;mircea_popescu;if they could figure this ancient trilema all on their own, WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY CAN END UP GROKING EVENTUALLY!!!11
1726107;1508337979;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun recall thewhet ever beinbg ddosed.
1726108;1508338548;asciilifeform;i have nfi. but 'fireproof house' is nice even if people only very rarely try to burn your house.
1726109;1508338560;mircea_popescu;i believe
1726110;1508338598;mircea_popescu;in other news, did i mention the splendid lebanese restaurant here ?
1726111;1508338634;mircea_popescu;it's becoming difficult to go by it, the warak arish / baba ganoush / cardamom coffee exert a discernible pull.
1726112;1508338684;asciilifeform;( the sad thing re nfs co, is that it is in fact a kolhoz, quite like amazon's and the rest, but more ancient and built by actual men, vs 'millenial' scum, and so it actually ~works~, and delivers on the promise -- you don't own your hdd, BUT you never have to go down from a dead hdd; you own no ip; BUT no ddos; etc. it however IS STILL A KOLHOZ , with the complacency and inevitable day of doom that comes with this. )
1726113;1508338777;mircea_popescu;myeah. living space, be it of the housing kind, or of the hosting kind, or of the hospital kind, or of all other kinds can only ever be operated as a kolhoz.
1726114;1508338798;mircea_popescu;because of the significant fixed costs and the very sharply limited scalability.
1726115;1508338894;mod6;hola
1726116;1508338904;mircea_popescu;the demand is, as they say, very inelastic. if it comes to fucking, you can fuck whatever you catch : a lithe blonde today, a nothing tomorrow, a turkish hipped brunette next week. when it comes to eatring, you can eat three plums today even if you felt like two, so as not to throw one out, and you can make do with a chicken tomorrow, even if you wanted a slice of beef.
1726117;1508338937;mircea_popescu;but you can't have some bloodwork you didn't need today because they had some extra capacity, nor can you not have a yellow fever shot when needed because they'll have some next week. by next week their value is 0.
1726118;1508338955;mircea_popescu;inelastic demand + high fixed costs = kolhoz.
1726119;1508338964;mircea_popescu;hey mod6
1726120;1508339138;mircea_popescu;and this is evident both in how people dissolve the kolhoz once it becomes "politically" untenable (bullshit. there's no such thing as politics exactly like there's no such thing as "her feelings". she got fuicked because she got drunk, she got drunk because she was in the bar, and she went to the bar to get herself drunk to get herself fucked. politics is the "why" and economics is the "what she did".) : either they attack t
1726121;1508339139;mircea_popescu;he inelastic demand by deliberately (and falsely) elasticizing their demand ; or else they attack the high fixed costs.
1726122;1508339188;mircea_popescu;and in how kolhozes are sold (like for instance right after ww2) : "cost control" and "capacity utilization".
1726123;1508339205;shinohai;Hola mircea_popescu , mod6
1726124;1508339210;mircea_popescu;how goes.
1726125;1508339295;shinohai;Not bad here, working on adding znc service for those that might be interested.
1726126;1508339305;mircea_popescu;good idea.
1726127;1508339506;mod6;good! just catching up on the log here.
1726128;1508339687;mod6;i lul'd at your encounter with a "martial arts expert" in The Mechanic.
1726129;1508339809;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1726130;1508339831;mircea_popescu;anyway, for context, grabbing ass in 90s europe is a lot different from what 2017s us imagines it'd be.
1726131;1508339940;mircea_popescu;in other items of republican interest : eulora is at a stage where we have to set down what we'll use for sensitive data encryption (such as for instance the privkey files). i don't particularily wish to use aes ; anyone wants to contribute to this emerging spec ?
1726132;1508340235;mircea_popescu;i suppose could implement 512 byte camellia...
1726133;1508340457;asciilifeform;ugh
1726134;1508340463;asciilifeform;!#s serpent
1726135;1508340463;a111;27 results for "serpent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=serpent
1726136;1508340516;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591994 << in particular.
1726137;1508340516;a111;Logged on 2016-12-28 17:48 asciilifeform: BUT it is in several ways, apparent to the naked eye, less retarded than aes
1726138;1508340587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform any proposal on a method to compare camellia and serpent meaningfully ?
1726139;1508340788;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all blockciphers are pseudoscientific. the only differences you can take to the bank, is that camellia was approved by nato bureaucrats, serpent was not; and the fact that serpent runs in constant time ( branch-free ).
1726140;1508340829;asciilifeform;incidentally it is very simple to use multiple blockciphers and get guaranteed best-of ( asciilifeform described scheme in old thread )
1726141;1508340834;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, but developed by teh japanese.
1726142;1508340856;mircea_popescu;and approved by the euros. and put in during 2008 by the ustards, then taken back out recently "for lack of interest" ie nsa pressure.
1726143;1508340866;asciilifeform;it's quite similar to aes tho
1726144;1508340869;asciilifeform;uses tables/s-boxes
1726145;1508340883;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not going to burden the minigame dev with implementing two of these nosnenses in the first pass.
1726146;1508340891;asciilifeform;fair'nuff
1726147;1508340918;asciilifeform;fwiw there is a quite short ada serpent existing, passes the test set ( and branch-free ).
1726148;1508340927;mircea_popescu;link ?
1726149;1508340932;*;asciilifeform digs in l0gz
1726150;1508340969;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591981 << >> https://archive.is/hifdk
1726151;1508340969;a111;Logged on 2016-12-28 17:00 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HQmMH/?raw=true << example in ada. < 700 ln.
1726152;1508340990;mircea_popescu;danke schon.
1726153;1508341054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can has 512 bit block/key incidentally ?
1726154;1508341096;asciilifeform;very easily, using same algo as with any other block cipher ( xor splits )
1726155;1508341111;mircea_popescu;hm, wait, isn't this the item that was similarily-vulnerable to des ?
1726156;1508341134;asciilifeform;afaik no known breaks to date
1726157;1508341142;asciilifeform;and not similar in design to des
1726158;1508341167;asciilifeform;( could just as well break tomorrow as aes et al could, voodoo is voodoo )
1726159;1508341190;mircea_popescu;is this ada thing s-0 or s-1 ?
1726160;1508341218;mircea_popescu;(as per customary and recently discussed with keccak, the actual item and the item submitted to the usg braindamage competition differ)
1726161;1508341278;asciilifeform;iirc it is the one in final draft ( submitted to braindamage competition ).
1726162;1508341286;*;mircea_popescu was a great fan of tiger hash back in the day.
1726163;1508341321;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/in-criptograma-veritas/#selection-35.0-35.61 etc
1726164;1508341330;asciilifeform;it isn't even that asciilifeform is particularly enamoured of 'serpent', but does believe that any cipher that cannot be implemented in the style shown in the paste, is ipso facto braindamaged beyond repair
1726165;1508341531;mircea_popescu;i can certainly see that argument.
1726166;1508341656;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , & co want to use 'serpent', i can make a pick-your-own-bitness-via-shamiring twist on above snippet. but prolly not until after i come back from voyage
1726167;1508341664;asciilifeform;hm did asciilifeform mention he is going on a voyage.
1726168;1508341684;mircea_popescu;the idea is for it to be cheap. construction atop it is not the best solution.
1726169;1508341700;asciilifeform;cheap in which param
1726170;1508341708;asciilifeform;( cpu? space ? )
1726171;1508341714;mircea_popescu;ie, "if you want to carry ton of earth i can show you how to do so with buckets" yes ty, but ideally do so with ton-sized bucket.
1726172;1508341737;asciilifeform;in point of fact mining excavators use multitude of small buckets...
1726173;1508341750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform implementation complexity ; computing resources in that order.
1726174;1508341768;asciilifeform;then definitely existing-serpent-shamirized
1726175;1508341784;mircea_popescu;well, teh discussion was productive, we shall conduct some investigative footwork.
1726176;1508341806;asciilifeform;( because otherwise you are making entirely new voodootron from scratch, will need test sets, etc )
1726177;1508342022;mircea_popescu;we need a cipher directorate by now.
1726178;1508342029;asciilifeform;lol
1726179;1508342334;asciilifeform;my current favourite voodoocipher is keccak-as-cipher.
1726180;1508342373;asciilifeform;( constant-spacetime-able, and not in any particular way known to be weaker than the other voodoos, and you already ~have~, presumably, a keccak )
1726181;1508342449;asciilifeform;( if it is not obvious how to turn a hasher into a ciphrator, and vice-versa, i will describe if asked )
1726182;1508342465;*;asciilifeform brb
1726183;1508343040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform done btw.
1726184;1508345496;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which done
1726185;1508345521;asciilifeform;( keccak ? )
1726186;1508345888;asciilifeform;in other lulz, not only trilema gets plagiarized... https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/09/14/software-is-a-long-con ( https://archive.is/TYEEm ) happily peddles http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719 + http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 with serialnumberfiledoff
1726187;1508345935;mircea_popescu;intellectual dominance, it's a thing.
1726188;1508346093;asciilifeform;'It is to the benefit of software companies and programmers to claim that software as we know it is the state of nature. They can do stupid things, things we know will result in software vulnerabilities, and they suffer no consequences because people don’t know that software could be well-written. Often this ignorance includes developers themselves. We’ve also been conditioned to believe that software rots as fast as fruit. That
1726189;1508346093;asciilifeform;if we waited for something, and paid more, it would still stop working in six months and we’d have to buy something new.' etc
1726190;1508346199;asciilifeform;( author has long history of jwzism : lobbies for legislative 'nsa reform', 'quit security journalism because draconian laws', etc )
1726191;1508346233;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/ENtoS and elsewhere if anyone gives a shit )
1726192;1508346320;mircea_popescu;i doubt anyone gives a shit.
1726193;1508346386;mircea_popescu;but yes, the day git is replaced by v and us presidency appointments are implemented as a !! function, the ~same flies will be laying the ~same eggs on this new meat, equally like on the old. at least as far as they're concerned.
1726194;1508346417;mircea_popescu;the difference between the human rotting alive and the human not rotting alive is the first human's aquired immune deficiency syndrome, NOT the involved protozoans.
1726195;1508346578;asciilifeform;aha, staphylococcus is everywhere, and in yer nose, but not everybody rots.
1726196;1508346606;mircea_popescu;your cat isn't giving you toxoplasmosis even if asimov's cat gave it to him is because you don't get toxoplasmosis, not because it doesn't have it to give ; this is exactly the link to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-25#1716989
1726197;1508346606;a111;Logged on 2017-09-25 09:43 mircea_popescu: aand in yet more lulz : cancer incidence increased in us adolescents by a steady 0.5 - 0.6% per year, each year, since 1975.
1726198;1508346649;mircea_popescu;stopping smoking doesn't reduce cancer, because the sort of shameful shitsacks that GET cancer will get it, whether from smoking or not. if not from smoking -- they'll find a different stressor.
1726199;1508346658;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite.
1726200;1508346692;mircea_popescu;but this is the deep reason why "death from stressor - ban stressor" is not adequate a response. no, let them die. ban the dieing if you must.
1726201;1508346752;asciilifeform;reminds me, asciilifeform had interesting convo with pet re the dysgenics thread
1726202;1508346765;mircea_popescu;and speaking of aids-en : isn't it a pity nobody's yet made a film out of gia carangi's life ? that chick was ACTUALLY a model, in the most proper of senses.
1726203;1508346843;mircea_popescu;died of fucking. which is a much better way to go than the dying of boredom, a la adriana ( http://trilema.com/2016/io-la-conoscevo-bene/#comment-118515 ).
1726204;1508346856;asciilifeform;pet : 'problem with dysgenics hypothesis is that the pertinent change is much too slow' ' asciilifeform : 'entirely possible that descent and climb are wholly asymmetric -- just like process of falling from a plane is quite unlike take-off; 1 or 2 generations of supernumerary children failing to die, possibly can wreck the pool'
1726205;1508346912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall the classic http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22learn%22+%22unlearn%22
1726206;1508346922;mircea_popescu;it is VERY unlikely to have any kind of symmetry involved there.
1726207;1508346937;asciilifeform;aha.
1726208;1508347073;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to gia : women, in the http://trilema.com/2016/portrait-of-an-adult-woman/ adult woman sense, have some things to do in this world. like say http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#footnote_0_57849 ; these aren't jobs that can be done by non-women, and when they try the results are as sad as shakespearian theatre (not the text, the actual montage).
1726209;1508347086;mircea_popescu;most girls are disqualified from nature, by being short, or not having a waistline, or etcetera.
1726210;1508347152;mircea_popescu;of the minority qualified, there's readily distinguished three categories : the utter imbeciles a la maria schneider, sewing up their togas "for modesty!!!" ; the tolerant girlies who put up with the couch but no more ; and finally gia -- the chicks the fucking couch itself can't keep up with.
1726211;1508347168;mircea_popescu;"honey, here's the guys you have to fuck to get the part" "could they call some friends ?"
1726212;1508347379;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other news -- girl goes shopping, comes back with pineapple SO FRAGRANT that it STANK UP THE ONIONS.
1726213;1508347383;mircea_popescu;tru fuckign story.
1726214;1508347519;asciilifeform;speaking of chix, realityloser denied bail, and amidst some quality freislering, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e2wnU/?raw=true :
1726215;1508347522;asciilifeform;'"hates" America, misused a top-secret computer during her Air Force career,  admires Edward Snowden and Julian Assange... ...one need look no further than Defendant's own writings to surmise that she hates the United States and has plotted against the government. On February 25, 2017, during training for her new NSA job, Defendant wrote her sister that she would fail a polygraph because of questions conceming whether she had ever pl
1726216;1508347522;asciilifeform;otted against the United States Government. Gov't Ex. 11. On the same day, Defendant wrote her sister she hated America. When her sister responded with incredulity, Defendant proclaimed again she hated America and explained she feels this way because America is "literally the worst thing to happen to the planet."'
1726217;1508347668;asciilifeform;and, gold medal lulz,
1726218;1508347679;asciilifeform;'While Defendant has surrendered her passport and cannot obtain another one in her own name, this obstacle provides little assurance given her self-described desire to "burn the White house down" and "[find somewhere in Kurdistan to live ... or Nepal."'
1726219;1508347719;asciilifeform;( orig. usg turd at https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4081446/Reality-Winner-Order-RE-Release-From-Custody.pdf ftr. )
1726220;1508347988;mircea_popescu;heh.
1726221;1508348020;mircea_popescu;funny shit, the ultra-pantsuit actually agree with the republic, usg worst thing to come out of fuhrerbunker.
1726222;1508348042;asciilifeform;sorta how ye olde su cashed in its chips.
1726223;1508348069;mircea_popescu;i guess it was, at that.
1726224;1508348082;asciilifeform;'in the official dachas, amidst the flicker of tv screens and the squal of mosquitoes, the brass agreed that it will be the last generation of brass' or how did limonov put it.
1726225;1508348089;asciilifeform;*sqeal
1726226;1508348224;mircea_popescu;anyway, here's the proposal : be it proposed that it is actually cheaper to explain to the brighter among the reality winners what exactly they never learned of history and theory, so that they renounce on their own power the assorted bundle of idiocy and sheer nonsense that constitutes the difference between republican and pantsuit or ultrapantsuit ideology,
1726227;1508348248;mircea_popescu;than to attempt to supplant the absent intelligence of the large mass of sub-pantsuit (they call themselves alt-right or whatever the fuck).
1726228;1508349074;asciilifeform;re 'wrote that she hates america', oblig stierlitz : '23 февраля Штирлиц надел свою старую, любимую буденовку, взял в руки красное знамя и, распевая революционные песни, пошел к рейхсканцелярии. В это день он как никогда был близок к провалу.'
1726229;1508349147;asciilifeform;or the even moar sacramental 'Штирлиц шел по Берлину. Мюллер узнал в нем советского разведчика, но не по ППШ, небрежно наброшенному на плечо, и не по парашюту, волочившемуся сзади, а по клейму фабрики "Большевичка", кото- рое забыли отпороть с внутреннего
1726230;1508349147;asciilifeform;кармана пиджака по истинно русской безалаберности.'
1726231;1508349259;asciilifeform;( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.'
1726232;1508349261;asciilifeform;)
1726233;1508349340;mircea_popescu;incidentally fiber check was a major source of early makes. people ended up setting up "shops" in berlin to change.
1726234;1508349376;mircea_popescu;otherwise a hunchback dude with a magnifying glass could make you in a fucking cafe for crying out loud.
1726235;1508349440;asciilifeform;or see the rusty staples thread.
1726236;1508349444;mircea_popescu;aha.
1726237;1508349525;mircea_popescu;then from there it found its way into (german) police work, and from there to us a coupla decades later. much like everything else.
1726238;1508349590;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> 'While Defendant has surrendered her passport and cannot obtain another one in her own name, this obstacle provides little assurance given her self-described desire to "burn the White house down" and "[find somewhere in Kurdistan to live ... or Nepal."' << Lol, mebbe shouldn't have got her balls from a syringe?
1726239;1508349627;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: bigger problem -- got brain from chipmunk
1726240;1508349640;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1726241;1508349650;mircea_popescu;sick burn for the anals of sick burns.
1726242;1508349651;BingoBoingo;chipmunk still better brain than most USian
1726243;1508350034;BingoBoingo;If chipmunk thought history started with Lincoln, Chipmunk would be fucked too.
1726244;1508350058;mircea_popescu;kinda common symptom this, thinking history starts with what it ended.
1726245;1508350390;BingoBoingo;Kinda how US teaches it. Before war of Northern Aggression, things happened with names occasionally attached. After "Oh noes people and their plights"
1726246;1508350825;asciilifeform;'stierlitz was thrown from the tenth floor, but caught on a balcony by a miracle. but the next day, the miracle was swollen and interfered with walking.'
1726247;1508350840;mircea_popescu;lol
1726248;1508350851;asciilifeform;( http://lib.ru/ANEKDOTY/vonstir.txt_with-big-pictures.html << largest collection asciilifeform knows of )
1726249;1508351084;BingoBoingo;In other legends, today some derps published an estimate, HeLa likely to lead to 30 kilodribble paper retractions
1726250;1508351096;mircea_popescu;heh
1726251;1508351102;asciilifeform;lolwat
1726252;1508351119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it infects in vitro cell collections, ruins experiments.
1726253;1508351153;asciilifeform;this'd suggest laughably poor lab hygiene tho
1726254;1508351171;BingoBoingo;Perhaps confusion is unit of measure. A dribble is an "academic" paper resulting from drool meeting paper substrate
1726255;1508351176;asciilifeform;( the staph on your nose will ~also~ take over your cultures if you give it half a chance )
1726256;1508351305;*;asciilifeform realized that 80+% of the joakes, don't translate worth a shit, e.g. 'Штирлиц дрался с огоньком. Огонек дрался как мог. Мог был парень крутой. А Крутая слабаков не жаловала.' << can this be made to work in ro ? or do you need agglutinative declensions necessarily.
1726257;1508351390;*;asciilifeform has been on a lengthy ro kick but not equal to this job
1726258;1508351510;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726098 << it does ?!
1726259;1508351510;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 14:19 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726087 << mp’s wp worx on nfsco BUT not the comments spamfilter ( it relies on static ip ). nfsco is also incompatible with mp-style pill against dnsism ( 1980s hand-curated /etc/hosts ), see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654113 thread
1726260;1508351514;mircea_popescu;you mean, ip of the commenter ? or what ?
1726261;1508351544;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: of self
1726262;1508351548;mircea_popescu;no ?
1726263;1508351571;*;asciilifeform looks again
1726264;1508351617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and i don't get it, gotta be a cool guy to fight with fire ?
1726265;1508351641;asciilifeform;see it dun translate at all
1726266;1508351652;mircea_popescu;well im certainly no ru scholar myself.
1726267;1508351688;mircea_popescu;!~tr ru to fr Штирлиц дрался с огоньком. Огонек дрался как мог. Мог был парень крутой. А Крутая слабаков не жаловала.
1726268;1508351688;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
1726269;1508351692;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to fr Штирлиц дрался с огоньком. Огонек дрался как мог. Мог был парень крутой. А Крутая слабаков не жаловала.
1726270;1508351694;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Stirlitz s'est battu avec une étincelle. Le feu s'est battu de mon mieux. Pourrait être un gars cool. Un faible faible n'a pas aimé.
1726271;1508351701;asciilifeform;more like 'stierlitz fought with gusto. gusto fought as he could. AsHecould was a man's man. aMans was a girl who did not abide wimps.'
1726272;1508351713;mircea_popescu;aaaaa
1726273;1508351732;mircea_popescu;nao it makes sense
1726274;1508351741;asciilifeform;well all the sense it's ever gonna make in engl.
1726275;1508351880;mircea_popescu;how about this : stierlitz s-a batut cu foc. focul s-a batut cum a putut. abatut era un barbat bine. barbatii bine nu beau lapte batut.
1726276;1508351926;asciilifeform;'bout as near as my anglization
1726277;1508351927;mircea_popescu;it exploits the a batut (vb, to fight, imperfect) / abatut (noun, depressed) homophony and then of coruse a major trope of romanian humor, lapte batut, ie beaten milk, ie buttermilk.
1726278;1508351944;mircea_popescu;wait, do you want it to be near in form or in structure ?
1726279;1508351963;asciilifeform;either
1726280;1508351986;mircea_popescu;unless im missing something this captures the structure (for teh reasons stated above). am i missing something ?
1726281;1508352001;asciilifeform;imho it captures the structure.
1726282;1508352020;mircea_popescu;i doubt the form works in anything but ru and like, japanese.
1726283;1508352064;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's jp-fu too weak to say if works there.
1726284;1508352076;mircea_popescu;yeah we need some otaku ppls.
1726285;1508352086;asciilifeform;i was actually thinking of doing jp this yr.
1726286;1508352122;mircea_popescu;yea, possibly interesting huh.
1726287;1508352123;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: d'ya have a warez of lisp in small pieces?
1726288;1508352132;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yes
1726289;1508352139;ben_vulpes;may i have a copy please?
1726290;1508352161;asciilifeform;1s
1726291;1508352167;ben_vulpes;much appreciated
1726292;1508352195;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://loper-os.org/pub/quinniec.djvu
1726293;1508352235;ben_vulpes;aaaaand got it
1726294;1508352237;asciilifeform;i have the fr orig somewhere but i assumed ben_vulpes wants eng
1726295;1508352254;ben_vulpes;i could manage with fr but eng does reduce the ognitive coverhead
1726296;1508352317;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, hk colo facility quotes a cab with a c block and 10gbps at ~4kusd/mo
1726297;1508352372;asciilifeform;notbad
1726298;1508352400;ben_vulpes;2.5k of which is the bw charge
1726299;1508352527;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes o hey.
1726300;1508352549;mircea_popescu;are you moving into isping ?
1726301;1508352567;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Oh my, who in HK is actually handing out fucking numbers?
1726302;1508352595;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: nah just coming up with an excuse to fly to hk
1726303;1508352600;ben_vulpes;:P
1726304;1508352611;mircea_popescu;why not ? you'd make a fine isper.
1726305;1508352623;ben_vulpes;nono i kid.
1726306;1508352666;mircea_popescu;take teh babe & minibabe to hong kong, wash state isn't going to hold up much later anywayz.
1726307;1508352727;ben_vulpes;at the very least i'd like to go there to rack a few boxes
1726308;1508352763;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes dja want an advance ?
1726309;1508352863;ben_vulpes;what would the terms be?
1726310;1508352890;ben_vulpes;i mean yes, there's no way i can foot the bill for that thing myself
1726311;1508352949;mircea_popescu;i dunno, lessee. repayable in service charges / convertible to equity by mutual consent / convertible to one year guaranteed note at present fiat value in any case. how about that ?
1726312;1508353228;mircea_popescu;actually, did that make any sense ?
1726313;1508353256;ben_vulpes;sounds workable in the abstract to the extent that i understand what you're saying; contracts like this are not something i'm familiar with so i'll have to think slowly about it
1726314;1508353281;ben_vulpes;how, for instance, does the equity conversion rate get calculated?
1726315;1508353319;mircea_popescu;by mutual consent.
1726316;1508353343;mircea_popescu;as in, we agree on something.
1726317;1508353348;ben_vulpes;right right
1726318;1508353376;ben_vulpes;and a "one year guaranteed note" means "payback of principle in full within a year plus some interest amount"?
1726319;1508353393;mircea_popescu;well no, no interest was specified, neither strict nor by reference, so there is no reference
1726320;1508353401;mircea_popescu;"contracts like this" are more important for what they don't say.
1726321;1508353406;ben_vulpes;aok
1726322;1508353459;mircea_popescu;anyway, re conversion, it's not clear that you'll necessarily want me to convert ; nor that i necessarily will want to. maybe. in general the fiatista "i want all the things" approach is not simply flawed but outright dumb.
1726323;1508353470;asciilifeform;recall bbet etc
1726324;1508353482;mircea_popescu;there are some advantages to having certain people in your equity base. such as that not being idiots, they won't vote stupidtly ; and so on.
1726325;1508353504;mircea_popescu;there are some advantages in having equity in some projects, such as that you can to some degree prevent them from going dumb.
1726326;1508353508;mircea_popescu;that's kinda the basis here.
1726327;1508353521;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform any particular implication ?
1726328;1508353569;asciilifeform;simply re the 'contract is important for what it doesn't say' item
1726329;1508353573;mircea_popescu;a
1726330;1508353607;mircea_popescu;anyway, the fundamental problem, for which recall bitbet works as well as any other recall, is that you have ~0 chances of knowing at t0 what'll be fair at t2, because t1 is ???
1726331;1508353643;mircea_popescu;the fiat forced mistake is to "o noes, gotta write it down BEFORE". it is forced because fiat world doesn't have a forum, ie, can't communciate, and as a result there's no such thing as meaningful consent, or negotiation.
1726332;1508353664;mircea_popescu;the veheheheeeery shaky premise is that republic has forum and can communicate consequently is not so constrained.
1726333;1508353668;mircea_popescu;might as well test it.
1726334;1508353701;asciilifeform;the implication also is that there is a particular kind of mistake, exemplified imho by the zeroasset corp thing in bbet, that is easy to make -- to insist that the energy be conserved at all times
1726335;1508353748;asciilifeform;picture if lenin's band had insisted on payment in advance / monthly invoicing etc .
1726336;1508353750;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "service charges" eg sysadminnery, reboots, os install, vps hosting?
1726337;1508353752;mircea_popescu;i have this utterly psychotic delusion that i don't personally wish to take more than i should have ; nor less ; and that a general system can be built on these premises. why the fuck would he want for me to have fewer shares than i should have ? what sense does it make, he is going to fuck all the women himself ? with what ? solve all the problems ? etc.
1726338;1508353761;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well obviously once you make it ima order servers.
1726339;1508353767;mircea_popescu;like i dun recall, what was it, 3 boxes ?
1726340;1508353788;ben_vulpes;i recall 3 sitting at asciilifeform's lab
1726341;1508353790;asciilifeform;3 currently in asciilifeform's tortureroom.
1726342;1508353794;ben_vulpes;mention thereof at least
1726343;1508353798;asciilifeform;can turn into moar reasonably quickly.
1726344;1508353810;mircea_popescu;i was listing needs at some point. anyway.
1726345;1508353827;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: investigate amperage also.
1726346;1508353833;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: will do
1726347;1508353904;ben_vulpes;am working a few other quotes as well, will check in later
1726348;1508353920;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: know anything re the vendor ?
1726349;1508353927;ben_vulpes;also rereading http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721921 thread
1726350;1508353927;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 19:37 mircea_popescu: so in this sense : an unmanned operation behind a maybe-porous wall is not in any sense useful.
1726351;1508353929;asciilifeform;( how it is structured. i.e. is it a tentacle ? )
1726352;1508353948;mircea_popescu;hey, if he actually flies there and walks their room i'm pacified.
1726353;1508353958;asciilifeform;will he fly to change disks ? clean fans ?
1726354;1508353980;mircea_popescu;hang on, hang on.
1726355;1508354072;asciilifeform;incidentally anybody interested in the diskless variant discussed in last thread ?
1726356;1508354086;asciilifeform;( theoretically, can haz 'eternal' boxes, welded shut )
1726357;1508354120;mircea_popescu;alf is basically an explosion. now i gotta go to all the shards and say hang on, hang on individually.
1726358;1508354363;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: also what means "lockable sets"?
1726359;1508354422;shinohai;!~later tell jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/POE4H/?raw=true
1726360;1508354422;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1726361;1508354433;shinohai;!~later tell pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S24fh/?raw=true
1726362;1508354433;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1726363;1508354793;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> will he fly to change disks ? clean fans ? << /me figured camping out a reasonable walk from one's #1 rack reasonable measure in name of responsivity
1726364;1508355260;asciilifeform;'stierlitz and mueller strolled around berlin, and saw some chix hanging around. 'shall we pick some up?' - suggested stierlitz. 'why?' - answered mueller. - let'em keep hanging'
1726365;1508355551;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i dunno ? where is it ?
1726366;1508355761;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721799
1726367;1508355761;a111;Logged on 2017-10-06 18:34 mircea_popescu: and if getting a whole 4/16/36/42 ? lockable sets ?
1726368;1508357244;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: full cab provisions reasonably with 12.6kW if i understand previous threads properly?
1726369;1508357355;asciilifeform;notbad
1726370;1508357373;asciilifeform;this is a what, 42u ?
1726371;1508357376;ben_vulpes;am estimating and asking for a sanity check on my estimate.
1726372;1508357395;ben_vulpes;mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW
1726373;1508357409;ben_vulpes;have yet to see how this pushes quotes around
1726374;1508357422;asciilifeform;!~calc 12600 / 42
1726375;1508357423;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 12600 / 42 = 300
1726376;1508357428;asciilifeform;aa
1726377;1508357455;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: find also if the 12.6kW refers to peak or avg.
1726378;1508357470;ben_vulpes;what do your opterons peak out at?
1726379;1508357474;asciilifeform;700 ea.
1726380;1508357482;asciilifeform;W
1726381;1508357501;asciilifeform;( avg. at 200-300 )
1726382;1508357507;ben_vulpes;mk
1726383;1508360417;mircea_popescu;and in random lulz, http://erikanapoletano.com/about/
1726384;1508360508;asciilifeform;whossat
1726385;1508360607;mircea_popescu;random chick. of no consequence other than in how typical she is for the "liberated" horseface-whatserhname demographic.
1726386;1508361689;mircea_popescu;and to round off http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725352 : original blackhatworld was started by a moscow fellow whose name we'll elide.
1726387;1508361689;a111;Logged on 2017-10-14 21:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725340 << i will admit to being curious re what it is mircea_popescu thinks he can use those folx for. they have the apparent intellectual ability of a turnip.
1726388;1508361689;mircea_popescu;it was very much what you'd expect (somewhat anachronistically) of a "silk road 2.0" these days ; replete with moderators scamming users, various independent activities (what the usg calls illegal) and so forth.
1726389;1508361689;mircea_popescu;this all ended in 2011, when a crack team of damien trevatt + gf (one jasmin choudhury ; split cca 2016 to whore out for deloitte uk) took over and pushed it in a "new direction", which consists of trying to make friends with the tedx zone of the blue usg. dood runs some minor conference organizer http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1723924 item on the side.
1726390;1508361689;a111;Logged on 2017-10-11 15:16 mircea_popescu: you understand what concert promotion is yes ?
1726391;1508361690;mircea_popescu;if you wish, this is an interesting case of "orange revolution" of a web property. also rather an era ender, since 2011 they're no longer on the web but on the "deep" web whatevers.
1726392;1508361759;asciilifeform;the conversion of a heathenpit into a honeypot, without skipping a beat of music, is fairly common thing
1726393;1508361763;mircea_popescu;dude's vaguely amusing under the "trynna MP" angle, i guess, and moreover the process of pantsuit infiltration is pathology as any other, can be studied.
1726394;1508361773;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1726395;1508361792;asciilifeform;iirc there is even a usgological internal term for the process, but i fughot
1726396;1508361803;mircea_popescu;this is interesting because evidently conducted by independent agent motivated by his own delusions of "making it in this game", rather than the more typical case of employee trying to steal from govt.
1726397;1508361879;mircea_popescu;anyway, no schooling, started in the mailroom of ias group (toilet paper suppliers to hospitals etc).
1726398;1508361924;mircea_popescu;or rather, got sucked into there from some "anti-aging medicine" scam / youthful tripod business, whatevs.
1726399;1508362458;asciilifeform;contrary to popular belief, there is ~no moneys in the shitware biz. ( consider : spam makes ~0 ; ransomism trojan of global proportions ends up making a few dozen btc at best; what remains ? ...selling 'toolz' to ~penniless idjits ? )
1726400;1508362471;asciilifeform;so it's a -ev game. and ergo no surprise that the people playing it, are turnips.
1726401;1508362498;asciilifeform;not particularly different from the folx who play lotteries
1726402;1508362507;mircea_popescu;it's more to it than just that. up to say about the dotcom bubble, the Official Example of the USG Official Rooseveltian Doctrine of Social Mobility was...
1726403;1508362528;asciilifeform;it's ~exactly the same thing
1726404;1508362543;mircea_popescu;the macdonalds / walmart / liberty mutual "executive" program
1726405;1508362560;*;asciilifeform unfamiliar with subj
1726406;1508362564;mircea_popescu;ie, you ~have alternative~ : join this usg corporation, wash toilets for a while, climb the ladder.
1726407;1508362582;mircea_popescu;recent http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ as fine an illustration as any other.
1726408;1508362629;mircea_popescu;the problem with this is that it is ALSO a -ev game. there is no social mobility, not in the nato reich at any rate. the faking of it was becoming ever more expensive. and so cca 2001 it moved online.
1726409;1508362631;asciilifeform;napoleon's 'marshall's baton in the knapsack of every soldier' is a lulgag
1726410;1508362647;asciilifeform;it was a gag then and gag now.
1726411;1508362661;mircea_popescu;the self-same no education no family relations no money plebs that were going to go into mcdonalds ccca 1987 went into "seo" and "working online" cca 2007.
1726412;1508362700;mircea_popescu;that's kinda what's going on there. yes, turnips. like all peon spawn ever, like marius' legionnaires, like so on and so forth. they came out of a cunt and are looking for a grave.
1726413;1508362708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually the pseudobusiness tradition is older, goes back to the 1950s american pyramids, 'amway' et al
1726414;1508362713;asciilifeform;'multilevels'
1726415;1508362722;asciilifeform;the earliest were targeted at gurlz
1726416;1508362738;asciilifeform;( 'sell makeup-selling-kits to fellow hausfraus, getrich' )
1726417;1508362745;mircea_popescu;those were more of an attack on the system than actual part of the system. much like http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/ describes a specific sort of insult.
1726418;1508362770;mircea_popescu;what it says, importantly, is not merely that the roosevelt system doesn't work ; but that participation is in itself degrading.
1726419;1508362781;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1726420;1508362812;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point here is that having lost any capacity to control the actual reality, the usg took the next possible defensive line, which is to say trying to control the conversation.
1726421;1508362828;mircea_popescu;which is what exact breach in the glorious blue pantsuit the above item is trying to patch
1726422;1508362851;mircea_popescu;and WHY google's "activists only -- not bloggers" project shield will take on an ~aspirational figure~ from the "seo community".
1726423;1508362865;mircea_popescu;and why reddit has "community guidelines" and so following.
1726424;1508362890;mircea_popescu;and, obviously, why http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726096
1726425;1508362890;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 06:27 BingoBoingo: And having escaped one hole, from deep in the mines of another: "This poll scared me more than just about any other I have seen in the past months. If Trump can turn his base against the NFL, then what can’t he get them to do?"
1726426;1508362977;mircea_popescu;the reich finds itself in the sad situation where the gothic line is falling apart.
1726427;1508363026;mircea_popescu;if blue usg can't pantsuit the conversation anymore, if the plebs won't sit put and eat their seoexpert/nfl combo, what could happen ?
1726428;1508363091;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ aka, the generation without. what can you tell these kids to keep them huddled in that disafected warehouse, in 2017 ? 2027 ? once the lights go out ? 2037 ? etc ?
1726429;1508363274;mircea_popescu;aaand for the old crows of the eastern persuasion in teh audience, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfYuVQDccNA
1726430;1508363316;asciilifeform;lol!
1726431;1508363324;mircea_popescu;aaaaha. it's a rerun.
1726432;1508363384;asciilifeform;Visam decenii de suveranitate << lollomatic
1726433;1508363411;mircea_popescu;and proud heroism!
1726434;1508363419;mircea_popescu;aka "where is everyone!!11"
1726435;1508363460;mircea_popescu;(this, ftr, was 1984.)
1726436;1508363473;asciilifeform;it is labeled aha
1726437;1508363478;mircea_popescu;aok.
1726438;1508363487;asciilifeform;'Inaugurarea santierului pentru constructia Casei Poporului, 1984 iunie 25, cu secretarul general al Partidului Comunist Român, presedintele Republicii Socialiste România, tovarasul Nicolae Ceausescu.'
1726439;1508363501;mircea_popescu;o hey, check it out. proper period form, too.
1726440;1508363656;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the warehouse kidz can be corralled into anything at all if can be persuaded that 'no alternative'
1726441;1508363712;mircea_popescu;this is altogether dubious.
1726442;1508363722;mircea_popescu;review the timeline lined earlier. 20 months of "depression".
1726443;1508363815;asciilifeform;and they'll do what ? raid the meth dispensary ? post angry lolcats on reddit ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703521 ?
1726444;1508363815;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 04:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703503 << 'he'll email you his fist...' (tm)(r)(mircea_popescu)
1726445;1508363897;mircea_popescu;i expect what they'll do will be actually very similar to that d gerard dude. sort of rotting away.
1726446;1508363921;asciilifeform;aaah ~that~ is already underway, for ~decade+
1726447;1508363950;asciilifeform;asciilifeform refers to it as 'yeltsining away'
1726448;1508363954;mircea_popescu;well evidently, dude's what, 60 ?
1726449;1508363971;mircea_popescu;pretty much, yeah. what ever happened to that entire generation after all ?
1726450;1508363972;mircea_popescu;"nothing"
1726451;1508364025;asciilifeform;'nobody noticed but for the undertakers' (tm)(r)(orlol)
1726452;1508365124;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand though, they're ~already doing it~. usg SIGNALS can't hire outside of a pool of snowdens, mannings and reality winners
1726453;1508367194;shinohai;Don't forget Philip Agee!
1726454;1508368602;BingoBoingo;In other news: Apparently Raqqa "Fell"
1726455;1508368809;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> those were more of an attack on the system than actual part of the system. much like http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/ describes a specific sort of insult. << Kinda why Trump's ED secretary from the Amway family really grates the lizards scales. For all their talk, Amway made money helping blacks make money
1726456;1508368988;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently.
1726457;1508374699;asciilifeform;!!up erlehmann
1726458;1508374699;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1726459;1508374795;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in shitcoinism, https://archive.is/SoYEM
1726460;1508374830;erlehmann;why is phuctor.nosuchlabs.com redirecting to trilema?
1726461;1508374861;erlehmann;i noticed recently, looked a bit in the logs, then did something else
1726462;1508374870;asciilifeform;erlehmann: isp turned traitor, and no replacement yet
1726463;1508374881;erlehmann;i think the infineon RSA super happy fun time triggered it
1726464;1508374882;asciilifeform;!#s dulap
1726465;1508374883;a111;310 results for "dulap", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dulap
1726466;1508374884;erlehmann;traitor?
1726467;1508374922;asciilifeform;erlehmann: the infineon thing is a straight plagiarism of phuctor
1726468;1508374940;asciilifeform;erlehmann: they sat and waited for it to go offline, then published 'groundbreaking paper'
1726469;1508374944;erlehmann;yeah, i wanted to know if phuctor had caught something like that
1726470;1508374963;asciilifeform;erlehmann: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725972
1726471;1508374963;a111;Logged on 2017-10-17 13:36 asciilifeform: in other thefts, 'The researchers went on to find 15 factorizable keys used for TLS. Strangely, almost all of them contain the string "SCADA" in the common name field.'
1726472;1508374991;erlehmann;was it ever found out what system used 35 as exponent?
1726473;1508374999;asciilifeform;nope
1726474;1508375003;erlehmann;sad
1726475;1508375048;asciilifeform;erlehmann: understand, whole shebang is still running, on a 32core box in asciilifeform's house
1726476;1508375055;asciilifeform;just nowhere yet to colocate it.
1726477;1508375094;asciilifeform;erlehmann: re isp, story begins http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 << here.
1726478;1508375094;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
1726479;1508375106;erlehmann;is traitor ISP more “we will not host this anymore” or more “took server” (why would anyone, results are public?)
1726480;1508375109;erlehmann;ok
1726481;1508375114;erlehmann;will read
1726482;1508375116;asciilifeform;read the log.
1726483;1508375233;asciilifeform;erlehmann: 'results are public' didn't keep the LAST hoster from stealing the server. or the most recent one, from stealing disks.
1726484;1508375270;erlehmann;wtf
1726485;1508375283;asciilifeform;i have nfi what enemy expects to find in there. launch codes ? obummer pr0n ? silkroad 5 ?
1726486;1508375336;asciilifeform;btw erlehmann you may want to talk to trinque re your key
1726487;1508375338;erlehmann;if it happens consistently, maybe it is an attempt to signal that enemy wants you to stop
1726488;1508375357;asciilifeform;erlehmann: enemy can fuck itself with a telephone pole.
1726489;1508375370;erlehmann;i would have guessed so much
1726490;1508375405;erlehmann;my key expired on 2017-10-10 probably, as it should. i made the error of creating a key that does not expire only once.
1726491;1508375423;erlehmann;so i changed the expiry date and uploaded it again.
1726492;1508375424;trinque;can we stop putting keys in deedbot that expire already?
1726493;1508375430;trinque;change it to nil wtf
1726494;1508375432;asciilifeform;move the clock on your box, sign a replacement ( that DOES NOT expire ), and see if trinque takes mercy on you, erlehmann
1726495;1508375435;erlehmann;but what should i give deedbot?
1726496;1508375443;erlehmann;oh okay
1726497;1508375446;erlehmann;move clock on box?
1726498;1508375457;asciilifeform;gpg typically won't use 'expired'
1726499;1508375472;asciilifeform;( braindamaged feature, Just Say No )
1726500;1508375474;erlehmann;i just change expiry date after expiration
1726501;1508375479;erlehmann;then publish key again
1726502;1508375506;asciilifeform;iirc whether this worx depends on whether only your subkey expired, or whole thing
1726503;1508375520;asciilifeform;at any rate if you can satisfy trinque that you are the owner of the orig key, he might have mercy, erlehmann .
1726504;1508375534;asciilifeform;but nobody should be making a habit of this.
1726505;1508375837;erlehmann;trinque that might convince you http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mUVxs/?raw=true
1726506;1508375873;erlehmann;i'll do the rest later, it is 3:22 AM here and i want to sleep
1726507;1508375889;erlehmann;asciilifeform thanks for the log, that amused me
1726508;1508375937;trinque;just give me the same key but without the idiot expiration field
1726509;1508376005;erlehmann;understood. right now i feel definitely too sleepy to work out the incantation.
1726510;1508376010;asciilifeform;goodnight erlehmann
1726511;1508376015;erlehmann;good night
1726512;1508376019;trinque;erlehmann: alrighty, cya later
1726513;1508376504;trinque;I'd make the switch to using raw n and e today, but am loath to build anything more using a libgcrypt that has no future.
1726514;1508376533;trinque;when there's a republican rsatron, I'll immediately be moving deedbot to that.
1726515;1508379457;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726454 << o hey. no moar isis ???
1726516;1508379457;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 23:16 BingoBoingo: In other news: Apparently Raqqa "Fell"
1726517;1508379541;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726460 << hey listen, this place is not a good fit for your style.
1726518;1508379541;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 01:00 erlehmann: why is phuctor.nosuchlabs.com redirecting to trilema?
1726519;1508379554;mircea_popescu;keep asking this kind of dumb questions, get banned.
1726520;1508379586;mircea_popescu;moreover, if your intention is to actually not put in the work so as to avoid the need for such dumb q, how about you just get lost on your own power, avoid the need to get banned in the first place.
1726521;1508379656;mircea_popescu;and this dun go for him, either. if you're not about to make #trilema the organizing center of your life, don't idle here, it's not for you. read the website logs now and again like all the other nobodies.
1726522;1508379707;mircea_popescu;just for him* is what i mean
1726523;1508379980;shinohai;"Somebody must have haxxored it!!!!"
1726524;1508380037;mircea_popescu;psshh
1726525;1508380118;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726514 << it's likely s.mg will have some kind of implementation for public comment before the year's out.
1726526;1508380118;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 01:28 trinque: when there's a republican rsatron, I'll immediately be moving deedbot to that.
1726527;1508380248;asciilifeform;‘p’ planned for < end of nov.
1726528;1508380288;asciilifeform;( not meant to take the place of s.mg’s item, at least not immediately )
1726529;1508381419;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, still ISIS
1726530;1508381474;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> erlehmann: they sat and waited for it to go offline, then published 'groundbreaking paper' << Wouldn't hurt to have a Qntra explainer ready for when victory time comes
1726531;1508381556;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> erlehmann: enemy can fuck itself with a telephone pole. << That I CAN get for you. When do you want delivery?
1726532;1508381666;*;shinohai misses Qntra greatly
1726533;1508381991;shinohai;https://www.eater.com/2017/10/18/16497858/florida-brewery-hatches-clever-plot-to-thwart-richard-spencer-event?
1726534;1508382205;mircea_popescu;we r disrupt!
1726535;1508382320;*;davout does too :S
1726536;1508382578;BingoBoingo;That's a scam. Who fucking drinks just one beer?
1726537;1508382737;mircea_popescu;these dumb fucks.
1726538;1508382800;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/#selection-213.2-213.106 << and of course sophia and her dance student friend.
1726539;1508382826;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723324 <<< btw this did not work out
1726540;1508382826;a111;Logged on 2017-10-09 11:28 davout: would the republic be interdasted in colocating boxes in central african republic?
1726541;1508383079;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726456 << i've seen racks with actual 40 machines in there, but not without a lot of expert finagling. that's the absolute limit, because yes you'll also need a switch.
1726542;1508383079;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 23:23 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently.
1726543;1508383247;*;BingoBoingo has been doing a lot of switch reading while waiting for numbers, is interested in how ben_vulpes asks
1726544;1508383255;mircea_popescu;i can tell.
1726545;1508383434;*;BingoBoingo also figures probably gotta own the swtiches on the rack to extent crapware appliances can be owned
1726546;1508383468;mircea_popescu;many dcs provide the racks with their own switches and dun wanna have them ever changed.
1726547;1508383485;mircea_popescu;if you supply your own switch we're talking actual ipx, rather than simply colocation.
1726548;1508383491;mircea_popescu;which yes, the time will come.
1726549;1508383748;BingoBoingo;Still doesn't hurt to put our stuff through a switch on the way to their switch
1726550;1508383761;mircea_popescu;i dunno. why ?
1726551;1508383784;mircea_popescu;you know some switch you can rely on to filter out magic usg packets ?
1726552;1508383844;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, this is the last level heuristic in evaluating the biofilmness, "what make/model is your cabinet swirtch ?")
1726553;1508384664;BingoBoingo;Well, how else does one get the ISP-ness of putting ips to boxes and managing other manages.
1726554;1508384722;BingoBoingo;And big box of G-series boards on its own likely needs switch
1726555;1508385061;BingoBoingo;And sure, switch is to be assumed evil until republican switch cerca 2020, but wat do?
1726556;1508385197;BingoBoingo;It's a sorta garbage truck, related http://gotnews.com/breaking-puerto-rican-secretary-state-blows-whistle-hurricane-relief-fraud-finds-unopened-us-aid-dumpster/
1726557;1508385226;BingoBoingo;"The video shows countless unopened boxes full of ready-to-eat meals in a dumpster, presumably thrown away by Puerto Rican officials. The video was shot in Patillas, a city on the island’s southeastern coast." << Pantsuit has to pantsuit
1726558;1508385385;davout;what's an evil switch gonna do? DoS?
1726559;1508385412;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: a different quote, from a tentacle of a satellite company of some sort, wants 5.3kusd just for 1G dedicated international connection
1726560;1508385608;ben_vulpes;chinese arm of this project is taking much longer, but at least i have at least one translatorwannabe in my pipeline
1726561;1508387016;asciilifeform;at the risk of repeating earlier q - what exactly does hypothetical boobytrapped switch, do ?
1726562;1508387023;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ^
1726563;1508387078;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Generates and hammers magic packets
1726564;1508387080;davout;"ring the doorbell and run away giggling"
1726565;1508387118;BingoBoingo;Or munge frames
1726566;1508387128;davout;you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh?
1726567;1508387129;asciilifeform;to what end ?
1726568;1508387161;BingoBoingo;To what end does pantsuit do what pantsuit does?
1726569;1508387172;asciilifeform;as davout said. as if it could be other than immediately obvious , if shitflood originates inside the house
1726570;1508387215;BingoBoingo;And despite being immediately obvious, does that not still annoy?
1726571;1508387225;asciilifeform;what a laugh it’d be - yank the thing and put in another, exhibit the boobytrapped piece publicly
1726572;1508387264;asciilifeform;if only every ddos were this simple to vanish away
1726573;1508387303;BingoBoingo;AHA, and hence camp out reasonable walk from rack!
1726574;1508387332;davout;BingoBoingo: i guess the point is that it's going to end up being extremely costly to preemptively weed out every single annoyance you can think of
1726575;1508387368;davout;kinda resonates with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726334
1726576;1508387368;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 19:08 asciilifeform: the implication also is that there is a particular kind of mistake, exemplified imho by the zeroasset corp thing in bbet, that is easy to make -- to insist that the energy be conserved at all times
1726577;1508387470;asciilifeform;it is actually how usg does business , the anticipate-supposedly-all thing
1726578;1508387495;asciilifeform;worx about as well as you might expect.
1726579;1508387497;ben_vulpes;mind numbing waste of time and energy
1726580;1508387644;BingoBoingo;Point is not "weed out all annoyances", point is make the one finite mitigation (own switch) which is less mitigation and more practice for scaling later.
1726581;1508387679;asciilifeform;again -- which own
1726582;1508387761;asciilifeform;i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord.
1726583;1508387858;asciilifeform;i'll mass produce switches some time after doing same for ordinary dc power supplies, they rank ahead in seekritude
1726584;1508387862;BingoBoingo;Own in the sense I manage the settings on the appliance instead of trusting DC to not assign the task to their jolo. And at desired connection speeds switch handles the routing, unless you wanna go Cisco.
1726585;1508387908;asciilifeform;what settings ?
1726586;1508387939;BingoBoingo;What port gets what IP range
1726587;1508387981;BingoBoingo;Maybe customer wants super anal static routing BBQ for their box?
1726588;1508388063;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is generally set once. and out of band.
1726589;1508388072;asciilifeform;( box has serial port )
1726590;1508388161;BingoBoingo;Options for that are either have a hardware on the rack that aggregates ISP links to the DC and handles this shit, OR beat a jolo into sense.
1726591;1508388176;BingoBoingo;Urethra is generally an exit, but some people are into sounding
1726592;1508388236;asciilifeform;ideally dc supplies mains current and physical space, net pipe consists of leased fiber from unrelated co.
1726593;1508388255;asciilifeform;running straight from street into out iron.
1726594;1508388259;asciilifeform;*our
1726595;1508388324;asciilifeform;this is how it was in the olden days, in the boxes asciilifeform BOFH'd over long ago.
1726596;1508388413;BingoBoingo;And today fiber runs to "meet me" room or other nonesuch, then to street or sewer ditch or wherever
1726597;1508388425;BingoBoingo;Or meet me room is skipped
1726598;1508388433;BingoBoingo;and to street as in old days
1726599;1508388655;asciilifeform;!!up ssth1
1726600;1508388656;deedbot;ssth1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1726601;1508388690;BingoBoingo;But when exploring datacenter options, biggest obstacle is encountering Jolo the Pinoy in all nationalities. From "10 mbps to rack" to "Try this managed colo where we buy you boxes and do everything, it's just like getting 7Kva of dedicated servers but with more upsells"
1726602;1508388763;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i got one like that, it wanted 30bux/mo per amp (220v)
1726603;1508388781;asciilifeform;i.e. space station electric price
1726604;1508388792;BingoBoingo;AHA
1726605;1508388800;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently. << minus space for UPSs
1726606;1508388823;asciilifeform;mod6: a civilized dc has massive central ups
1726607;1508388831;asciilifeform;+ gens outdoors
1726608;1508388860;mod6;gens, sure.  do you want to share power conditioning equip?
1726609;1508388860;asciilifeform;nobody's about to fly out to swap little batteries.
1726610;1508388887;mod6;would figure that would be something you would want in-cage.
1726611;1508388893;asciilifeform;don't leak cpu to the mains.
1726612;1508388902;mod6;switch-flippers
1726613;1508388934;asciilifeform;not as if having power for extra 10min past dc losing it, does you any good
1726614;1508389001;asciilifeform;( and that's if you were to put in 2u of ups per every 1u of serverolade ! )
1726615;1508389014;mod6;ok
1726616;1508389054;asciilifeform;in even small corporate dc there are several ups that take up small room
1726617;1508389097;asciilifeform;and outdoors -- diesels.
1726618;1508389188;asciilifeform;now ! mains quality ~logger~, with independent power source -- imho deserves a 1u in any tmsr cabinet.
1726619;1508389216;asciilifeform;front-facing camera, too, why not
1726620;1508389234;asciilifeform;helps to keep the landlord honest.
1726621;1508389250;mod6;and rear-facing, why not, right
1726622;1508389270;asciilifeform;this is not unreasonable request, btw, and will filter out bozos
1726623;1508389344;*;asciilifeform bbl 
1726624;1508390491;ben_vulpes;!!up Raven
1726625;1508390492;deedbot;Raven voiced for 30 minutes.
1726626;1508390496;ben_vulpes;ohai
1726627;1508390511;Guest29647;hi..
1726628;1508390532;ben_vulpes;lol yeah that name has good odds of already being in use
1726629;1508390588;Guest29647;Uh huh..so...what shall I do now?
1726630;1508390615;Guest29647;maybe check the instructions in the mail?
1726631;1508390622;ben_vulpes;pick a different name? perhaps a phonetic version of your name?
1726632;1508390651;ben_vulpes;mod6: kinda interesting that your `ent` chi-squared "randomly would exceed this value XX percent of the time" always comes out to something nice and round like 25.00 or 50.00
1726633;1508390699;ben_vulpes;Guest29647: start by registering a nickname with nickserv
1726634;1508390732;ben_vulpes;Guest29647: type /msg nickserv help for details on that
1726635;1508390745;Guest29647;let me try that..
1726636;1508390815;mod6;ben_vulpes: ah, i seem to remember reading about the X^2 percentiles in knuth.  mine in particular came out pretty round ya.  or do you mean "your" in the general sense?
1726637;1508390825;ben_vulpes;no, yours in particular
1726638;1508390851;Guest29647;REGISTER Zero
1726639;1508390854;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski 's are also round
1726640;1508390864;ben_vulpes;Guest29647: prepend with a slash, like /register zero
1726641;1508390870;mod6;i'd have to look at other's results, can't recall off the top of my head.
1726642;1508390872;ben_vulpes;but that one's also going to be taken, freenode is a very busy place
1726643;1508390883;ben_vulpes;heck, try raven_zero
1726644;1508390935;Guest29647;Test.
1726645;1508390937;ben_vulpes;mod6: for contrast this first run just came out with 80.89%
1726646;1508390954;ben_vulpes;Guest29647: once you register the nick, you gotta also set it as your nick like /nick raven_zero
1726647;1508390992;Guest29647;test.
1726648;1508391004;Guest29647;from my viewpoint, I'm stll Guest29647.
1726649;1508391024;ben_vulpes;mine too; what did nickserv tell you when you typed exactly /nick raven_zero
1726650;1508391039;BingoBoingo;Guest29647 maybe go with CorvusCorone
1726651;1508391083;mod6;ben_vulpes: seems fine.  iirc, and i don't have the book in hand at the moment, but knuth outside certain boundaries is suspect.
1726652;1508391094;mod6;might be in the logs
1726653;1508391097;*;mod6 digs
1726654;1508391128;ben_vulpes;mod6: this is from "the art of computer programming" or... ?
1726655;1508391228;mod6;yah, i'll go grab the book, standby.
1726656;1508391682;ben_vulpes;!up raven_zero
1726657;1508391720;mod6;"If V is less than the 1% entry or greater than the 99% entry, we reject the numbers as no sufficiently random. If V lies between the 1% and 5% entries or between the 95% and 99% entries, the numbers are ``suspect'';
1726658;1508391744;ben_vulpes;raven_zero: http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup
1726659;1508391851;mod6;if (by interpolation in the table) V lies between the 5% and 10% entries, or the 90% and 95% entries, the numbers might be ``almost suspect.''"  -- Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming Vol. 2, Seminumerical Algorithms pp. 46,47
1726660;1508391891;ben_vulpes;mod6: yeah i think i'll just have to read this myself
1726661;1508391900;mod6;There's a bunch of in-depth information in this book, I highly suggest if examining these results.
1726662;1508391976;ben_vulpes;leaning on intuition here; feels odd to me that the "randomly would exceed" value is so round on so many of your test runs, but it's gotta be weakness in my statistics intuition
1726663;1508392020;ben_vulpes;statistics being the thing that hoses intuition every time.
1726664;1508392092;mod6;yeah, not too sure.  i've also never looked at the `ent` code.
1726665;1508392337;ben_vulpes;raven_zero: figuring it out?
1726666;1508392911;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1726667;1508392917;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5596.04, vol: 18812.72167390 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5600.0, vol: 66247.61052566 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4249.0422, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5600.0, vol: 6382.03374572 | Volume-weighted last average: 5599.18529691
1726668;1508393621;mod6;ima try using an ent on a different box against some of the runs that I did previously...
1726669;1508393807;mod6;(just to see if I get a different value, or non-round value for X^2)
1726670;1508394637;mod6;ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box.  results are very similar.  different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
1726671;1508394746;mod6;originals were taken with a much older version of ent than the new.
1726672;1508394838;mod6;anyway, have a good night :]
1726673;1508396623;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726558 << the expectation is that it will allow nsa comms, such as exfiltration in response to magic packets and the very magic packets in question.
1726674;1508396623;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 03:56 davout: what's an evil switch gonna do? DoS?
1726675;1508396825;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust.
1726676;1508396825;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 04:25 davout: you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh?
1726677;1508396999;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726582 << a) this is not factual. you manufacture power chord that only works or doesn't work, through eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724529 ; b) if your power chord came with special rsa analysis and also had a special "flash power when pgp is being used" switch, you'd get into manufacturing your own power chords in very short order.
1726678;1508396999;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 04:36 asciilifeform: i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord.
1726679;1508396999;a111;Logged on 2017-10-12 21:35 asciilifeform: trinque: will need, laugh if you must, 2nd inverter
1726680;1508397022;mircea_popescu;proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement.,
1726681;1508397176;mircea_popescu;!~calc 30 / (220 * 24 * 30 / 1000)
1726682;1508397180;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 30 / (220 * 24 * 30 / 1000) = 0.1893939393939394
1726683;1508397261;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power.
1726684;1508397261;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 04:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i got one like that, it wanted 30bux/mo per amp (220v)
1726685;1508397307;mircea_popescu;what math did you do when you decided you don't like it ?
1726686;1508397436;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726608 << yes. it's not practical to put the gen gear next to the box.
1726687;1508397436;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 04:54 mod6: gens, sure.  do you want to share power conditioning equip?
1726688;1508397500;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726622 << cameras ? what is this, some yahoo's long island pizzeria ?
1726689;1508397500;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 05:01 asciilifeform: this is not unreasonable request, btw, and will filter out bozos
1726690;1508397565;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726638 << this is liek, the most creative person i ever encountered. "raven" and "Zero", really ? what's next, "hacker" ? "internet" ?
1726691;1508397565;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 05:27 Guest29647: REGISTER Zero
1726692;1508398007;ben_vulpes;i think we've had a few threads in re creativity in the eastern empire
1726693;1508398987;mircea_popescu;:p
1726694;1508399046;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << clearly you're getting rounded somewhere
1726695;1508399046;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box.  results are very similar.  different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
1726696;1508399980;*;ben_vulpes just had an exciting; apparently closed the flue a bit too soon/didn't give the fireplace enough time to self-extinguish and the co detectors went off
1726697;1508400051;ben_vulpes;however new residence has a "whole house fan", and so exhausting all interior gasses was a trivial exercise
1726698;1508400164;mircea_popescu;did i recount that event when nude girly at the stove farted and the gas detector immediately blew a fuse ?
1726699;1508400199;ben_vulpes;bwah no
1726700;1508400204;ben_vulpes;figurative fuse?
1726701;1508400220;ben_vulpes;!!key ssth1
1726702;1508400220;deedbot;Not registered.
1726703;1508400221;mircea_popescu;mortified noob had to endure the humiliation of me having to actually go outside reset the gas line
1726704;1508400242;ben_vulpes;!!key raven_zero
1726705;1508400242;deedbot;Not registered.
1726706;1508400244;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no, see, the super-safe way is to have a detector by the burners that cuts the gas line if stimulated.
1726707;1508400277;mircea_popescu;this had the stove and the heater close together and so it made sense, if you got a leak it's there.
1726708;1508400280;ben_vulpes;ah i see; i was thinking about little glass amp-rated tubes
1726709;1508400295;ben_vulpes;or figuratively, "blew a gasket"
1726710;1508400306;ben_vulpes;why not make her reset gas line?
1726711;1508400314;mircea_popescu;yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow
1726712;1508400336;mircea_popescu;well for one thing she had no idea how/where, i never saw the item installed anywhere else in that country.
1726713;1508400366;mircea_popescu;anyway, it was the lulz of all time
1726714;1508400374;mircea_popescu;"but i'm not even a vegetarian!"
1726715;1508400644;ben_vulpes;vegetarians have terrible internal flora, can confirm
1726716;1508409690;jurov;shinohai: ack
1726717;1508418599;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << looks typical
1726718;1508418599;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box.  results are very similar.  different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
1726719;1508418691;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726673 << that was what i didn't and still don't grasp : what exactly can enemy exfiltrate from a boobytrapped ~switch~ ( it ain't a firewall, it's a dumb switch) that he cannot get from his upstream tap ??
1726720;1508418691;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 07:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726558 << the expectation is that it will allow nsa comms, such as exfiltration in response to magic packets and the very magic packets in question.
1726721;1508418823;asciilifeform;if you have a pair of racked boxes that gotta talk seeekritly to ~one another~,  don't connect them via the switch, connect directly with crossover cable ( this is what the spare nics quality boxen ship with, are for )
1726722;1508418930;asciilifeform;or alternatively asciilifeform's philosophy -- i.e. packets that leave your nics, are to be considered public
1726723;1508418972;asciilifeform;( want non public? is what crypto is for, switch is not a trusted piece of equip )
1726724;1508419110;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing
1726725;1508419110;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 07:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust.
1726726;1508419262;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726680 << i'd like a republican chair to sit in too!111 switch, however, if you want GB or above -- does require making own silicon if you want it to meaningfully differ from the extant items . fpga won't cut it clockwise.
1726727;1508419262;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 07:10 mircea_popescu: proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement.,
1726728;1508419421;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726688 < it costs next-to-nothing and trigger when sees motion, which in a locking cage it should never by surprise
1726729;1508419421;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 07:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726622 << cameras ? what is this, some yahoo's long island pizzeria ?
1726730;1508419498;asciilifeform;i see it as worth something, to be able to immediately distinguish , e.g., a dead hdd, from a stolen hdd .
1726731;1508419544;asciilifeform;and to know if uninvited guests have been inside the cage.
1726732;1508419724;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726711 << this is unknown in usa: too much high tech! instead, and only in earthquake states, and only in ~some~ towns, they issue... wrenches, with which one is expected to close the valve outside the ruins of your house, as you climb from the rubble
1726733;1508419724;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 08:05 mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow
1726734;1508419845;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726677 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726583
1726735;1508419845;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 07:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726582 << a) this is not factual. you manufacture power chord that only works or doesn't work, through eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724529 ; b) if your power chord came with special rsa analysis and also had a special "flash power when pgp is being used" switch, you'd get into manufacturing your own power chords in very short order.
1726736;1508419845;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 04:37 asciilifeform: i'll mass produce switches some time after doing same for ordinary dc power supplies, they rank ahead in seekritude
1726737;1508419883;asciilifeform;isolating ps for rackmounts, could easily be a product
1726738;1508419988;asciilifeform;this functionality belongs ~in~ the box, where more difficult for 'guests' to monkey with, not in cords and bottoms of cabinets.
1726739;1508420179;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726683 << this figure is correct, but on the high end of the typical price range.
1726740;1508420179;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 07:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power.
1726741;1508420291;*;asciilifeform finally eaten the l0gz
1726742;1508422310;mod6;mornin
1726743;1508422341;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << clearly you're getting rounded somewhere << yeah.
1726744;1508422341;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box.  results are very similar.  different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
1726745;1508422428;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << looks typical << aha.  i think im going to re-run them all with the newer `ent` and post those results as well.  unless, people think it's redundant or not required.
1726746;1508422428;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box.  results are very similar.  different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
1726747;1508423069;asciilifeform;mod6: 'ent' has only 1 virtue vs dieharder -- it's quick
1726748;1508423115;asciilifeform;really it is good for finding catastrophically broken rng, and no moar
1726749;1508423143;mod6;makes sense.
1726750;1508423147;asciilifeform;( a shit rng that fools ent is much easier to build, even by accident, than same vs dieharder )
1726751;1508423224;asciilifeform;ent will show if you have, say, stuck bits, or repeating bytes, or even all zeroes etc.
1726752;1508423266;asciilifeform;( from , say, misconfigured serial port -- guaranteed to show these symptoms )
1726753;1508423337;asciilifeform;relatedly, i very much wish that pc had a simple ( no stateful usb liquishit) ~synchronous~ port
1726754;1508423342;asciilifeform;but it does not.
1726755;1508423465;asciilifeform;parallel port was adequate. but no recent boxes have'em and the usb paralleldongles never worked ( they were specific to printers, those have buffers, usb doesn't really give you realtime synchronism )
1726756;1508425924;asciilifeform;( nitpicker could reply : 'but what about isosynchronous usb mode ?' -- it's liquishit, unsupported by most interface ics you can get, and specifically disclaims any guarantee of packet delivery. used for, e.g., usb soundcard. )
1726757;1508426595;asciilifeform;i'ma put a likbez in the l0gz, for fyootor folx : here's ordinary rs232, at ttl signal level, (noninverted), transmitting a 10000010 :
1726758;1508426606;asciilifeform;```\_/`\_________/`\_/```
1726759;1508426643;asciilifeform;....s 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 s
1726760;1508426662;asciilifeform;( first s is start bit, which is always 0; second s is stop bit, always 1 )
1726761;1508426675;asciilifeform;thing is 'self-clocking', which is why you gotta set a baud rate, and they are standard )
1726762;1508426874;asciilifeform;now let's do same byte, synchronous :
1726763;1508426882;asciilifeform;```\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\_/`\  <-- clock
1726764;1508426892;asciilifeform;_____/`\_____________________/`\________   <-- data
1726765;1508426899;asciilifeform;......1   0   0   0   0   0   1   0
1726766;1508426905;asciilifeform;~fin~
1726767;1508426943;asciilifeform;needs 2 wires, but no longer matters at what rate, within physical limits, you clock it.
1726768;1508426961;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726715 << we were also making a lot of cow/herbivore jokes at the time.
1726769;1508426961;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 08:10 ben_vulpes: vegetarians have terrible internal flora, can confirm
1726770;1508427016;mircea_popescu;incidentally re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726309 : i suppose it's obvious that teh republic, between wot, forum and the new deedbot beats silicon valley way the fuck out of the water. what angel list, what y combinator, why would i, or any thinking man, bother.
1726771;1508427016;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 18:54 ben_vulpes: what would the terms be?
1726772;1508427020;asciilifeform;btw phf your logtron mangles these, because variablewidthfont. readers should paste above item into a civilized terminal to read.
1726773;1508427038;asciilifeform;( or read phf's log on lynx etc )
1726774;1508427060;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1726775;1508427138;mircea_popescu;hola!
1726776;1508427226;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726719 << here's model : intel box B behind cisco switch S. NSA N sends magic packet M. S notices packet it received does not match rules operator O set ; S notices M matches rules N baked in and so S lets packet M pass in spite of this breaking its submission to O. B receives packet M, acts accordingly, breaking its submission to O. perhaps B also responds, with packet M'. S notices M' does
1726777;1508427226;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 13:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726673 << that was what i didn't and still don't grasp : what exactly can enemy exfiltrate from a boobytrapped ~switch~ ( it ain't a firewall, it's a dumb switch) that he cannot get from his upstream tap ??
1726778;1508427226;mircea_popescu; not match rules operator O set ; S notices M' matches rules N baked in and so S lets packet M' pass.
1726779;1508427226;mircea_popescu;need I now do the S' case ?
1726780;1508427301;asciilifeform;no this makes sense, but seems to describe a diddled router/fw, rather than switch
1726781;1508427315;mircea_popescu;i suspect the pure switch you have in mind is a 1980s period item
1726782;1508427321;asciilifeform;i have one here, lol!
1726783;1508427323;asciilifeform;a GB/s no less
1726784;1508427328;mircea_popescu;ok, but by now they're all "intelligent".
1726785;1508427330;asciilifeform;separate iron box from router
1726786;1508427332;mircea_popescu;think like a phone.
1726787;1508427335;asciilifeform;ugh
1726788;1508427350;mircea_popescu;anyway, maybe all is an overstatement, but you get the idea i think.
1726789;1508427404;asciilifeform;while we're on subj, the infamous 'ont catalogue' featured not only boobytrapped routers etc but... ethernet jacks with 'intelligence', boobied cables
1726790;1508427418;mircea_popescu;and video cables iirc.
1726791;1508427418;asciilifeform;any object supplied by randos can theoretically be 'alive'.
1726792;1508427426;asciilifeform;aha, theremin-style rf tap
1726793;1508427458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform simple pill for the ethernet, cut and crimp.
1726794;1508427468;mircea_popescu;i teach teh slavegirls, it's part of the basic curriculum.
1726795;1508427470;asciilifeform;asciilifeform met a fella who claimed to have designed the nsa-usbjack boobytrap ( i did not believe him )
1726796;1508427491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most elderly folx like asciilifeform cut their own cablez aha
1726797;1508427503;asciilifeform;( buy bobbin, buy plugs etc )
1726798;1508427512;mircea_popescu;well that's what i'm saying, there's even teenaged sluts doing it nowadays. perhaps for the first time in internet history, at that!
1726799;1508427525;mircea_popescu;terrorism prevails.
1726800;1508427538;asciilifeform;you dun even need literacy : the strands are helpfully coloured
1726801;1508427544;mircea_popescu;yup.
1726802;1508427564;mircea_popescu;(one amusing result was one girl painted her toenails thusly. NOBODY noticed.)
1726803;1508427571;*;asciilifeform pictures this !
1726804;1508427577;mod6;haha
1726805;1508427610;mircea_popescu;"what was at that hacker club thing ?" "a bunch of idiots ?" "whence can you tell ?" "i painted my toenails utp style. everyone wanted to talk of me, nobody thought ot mention it."
1726806;1508427711;phf;it's such a toxic color scheme, you'd think somebody will notice.
1726807;1508427754;asciilifeform;maybe the extra 2 fingers, threw'em off, lol
1726808;1508427755;mircea_popescu;ikr ? esp cause it takes all the half-whites and shit. and besides, where do geeks look when trying to think of something to say to girl ? yep, you've guessed it, toes!
1726809;1508427772;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe. tho pinky toe nails are tiny anyway.
1726810;1508427804;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726724 << as far as i know (and what i don't know in this town ain't worth knowing) there's not at present any lubby deployed in usgistan internet "intelligence".
1726811;1508427804;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 13:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing
1726812;1508427843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every once in a while, they beg/buy/borrow/steal something authored by actual people
1726813;1508427854;asciilifeform;like chukcha and his geologist's flashlight
1726814;1508427855;mircea_popescu;too hard to use.
1726815;1508427978;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726728 << i know of no place which offers proper mounts for this. because understand, there's no ad-hoc anything on dc floor.
1726816;1508427978;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 13:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726688 < it costs next-to-nothing and trigger when sees motion, which in a locking cage it should never by surprise
1726817;1508427988;mircea_popescu;not necessarily a bad idea, but afaik nobody put it into the floor design.
1726818;1508428021;mircea_popescu;ianae, maybe there's places where they'll mount your camera opposite if you ask. i wouldn't really add it to the disqualifier list.
1726819;1508428194;asciilifeform;you put it in a standard 1u box, wat.
1726820;1508428220;mircea_popescu;and pray for a transparent cabinet door and available fixed location and nobody placing a sticker in front of it ?
1726821;1508428221;asciilifeform;no particular reason for it to look adhoc or in any way unusual.
1726822;1508428237;asciilifeform;if it's ~your~ cabinet, you know its geometry and where box sits, neh.
1726823;1508428244;mircea_popescu;what i'm saying is that i don;t know this being part of the design.
1726824;1508428265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what is this, are you being an alien. the eyes in your own box don't see your mouth in your own box do they ?
1726825;1508428267;asciilifeform;it'd be part of any design where asciilifeform fills a cabinet with own hands and locks the door.
1726826;1508428380;asciilifeform;idea is not 'magical camera, catches everything' but to turn the enemy's own psychosis against himself : now ~any~ ventilation hole, in any side of any iron, could theoretically be pinhole cam.
1726827;1508428389;mircea_popescu;eh get out.
1726828;1508428404;asciilifeform;they're what, a $1.
1726829;1508428405;mircea_popescu;"enemy" is too dumb to stop shitting in its own mouth.
1726830;1508428454;mircea_popescu;see also http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725084 etc
1726831;1508428454;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads.
1726832;1508428559;asciilifeform;build for smart enemy.
1726833;1508428600;asciilifeform;universe came with afaik no guarantee that enemy is dumb.
1726834;1508428628;phf;fight the enemy you have, not the enemy you want :)
1726835;1508428637;mircea_popescu;actually, it does, yes. that's what the republic is : the construction of the guarantee that if enemy exists, he is dumb.
1726836;1508428891;asciilifeform;in other reichlulz, 'Marlène Schiappa, France’s gender equality minister (yes, that’s a thing), has proposed putting forward a bill in parliament that would fine people for engaging in street harassment — including aggressive catcalls.'
1726837;1508428931;shinohai;https://send.firefox.com/   <<< we promise to never, ever, EVER look at your private keys. Probably.
1726838;1508428940;mircea_popescu;heh
1726839;1508428982;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the french have this communist issue. nato or no nato, during the 70s it had gotten so bad they were not even included in intel briefing.
1726840;1508428998;asciilifeform;betcha a phuctor-flavoured www that invites idjit to 'insert privkey for inspection for weak' would get ~something~ in the basket at the end of the day
1726841;1508429058;mircea_popescu;depends. would it have been featured on the atlantic ?
1726842;1508429092;asciilifeform;if in beobachter, million keys
1726843;1508429099;asciilifeform;if in sturmer, prolly still handful
1726844;1508429122;asciilifeform;same people as insert their bank acct # to 'check if stolen'
1726845;1508429193;mircea_popescu;lol. that's an easy enough site to make, only need one branch implemented. "yes."
1726846;1508429222;mircea_popescu;anyway. ~nobody has a rsa key.
1726847;1508429240;asciilifeform;dun have to be an rsa key for this, neh
1726848;1508429258;asciilifeform;funnel happily eats whatever key.
1726849;1508429358;mircea_popescu;fax me a hallibut!
1726850;1508429636;phf;"TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'window.crypto.subtle.generateKey')" well there's that..
1726851;1508429793;shinohai;Anyone here know if this might be a useful box? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/sys/d/mac-prox28ghz-8-cores-10gb/6352402994.html
1726852;1508429811;shinohai;owner offered Btc discount, I may try to scrape up if so
1726853;1508429865;trinque;just a couple generations back intel mac
1726854;1508429878;shinohai;https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/sys/d/150-mh-rx-470-ethereum-mining/6352367772.html   <<< lulzy post from same
1726855;1508429933;*;shinohai likes the high-tech boxfan cooling system
1726856;1508429977;phf;shinohai: i suspect you're paying a bit of premium for various audio junk on that mac box and the whole "production ready"
1726857;1508429984;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust madeline
1726858;1508429984;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1726859;1508430237;shinohai;Thanks for advice. Fellow also has a Optiplex 3050 for sale.
1726860;1508432779;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1726861;1508432784;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5667.73, vol: 11751.24920886 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5660.0, vol: 44617.90902337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4257.4896, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5671.7, vol: 4363.3678099 | Volume-weighted last average: 5662.33628616
1726862;1508432993;mircea_popescu;and in other wowz, check out felipelalli : https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/a-importancia-do-bitcoin-otc-wot/
1726863;1508433067;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-job-board/ << Trilema - The Job Board
1726864;1508433912;mircea_popescu;aaand in other public speaking, http://78.media.tumblr.com/fd52e61509cb29720d1dc1f550c49997/tumblr_nmnvgglu9v1tatbbfo1_500.gif
1726865;1508434207;shinohai;Good to see females that have control of the mic
1726866;1508434534;mircea_popescu;in a manner of slurping.
1726867;1508434554;mircea_popescu;btw asciilifeform re http://trilema.com/2011/un-defect-romanesc/ didja in your journey trhough romanian learnings run into that dude's blog ?
1726868;1508434589;asciilifeform;yes !
1726869;1508434592;mircea_popescu;ha.
1726870;1508434597;asciilifeform;he had a page about the 'drum bun' army march
1726871;1508434608;asciilifeform;which i ran across on a ww2 ro kick
1726872;1508434619;mircea_popescu;i always thoiught his "still more romanian than you" byline was lulzy.
1726873;1508434666;asciilifeform;>> https://kingofromania.com/2010/04/22/expression-of-the-day-drum-bun << subj
1726874;1508434730;mircea_popescu;"If you speak English and see the expression drum bun your mind conjures up a musical instrument for striking out rhythms combined with some kind of light bread style pastry and it makes NO SENSE." << bwahahaha
1726875;1508434731;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whLVaIisZP0 << subj x2
1726876;1508434744;mircea_popescu;in similar lulz, the badea cirtan market in timisoara was officially known as "bad curtain".
1726877;1508434744;asciilifeform;and yes i pictured, unavoidably , a drum
1726878;1508434753;asciilifeform;lol!!
1726879;1508434771;asciilifeform;that's almost as good as 'bread of the sieve cable' <-> 'бред сивой кобылы'
1726880;1508434782;mircea_popescu;aqhahaha
1726881;1508434855;mircea_popescu;ftr, i never liked that one march, wtf bs it is.
1726882;1508434873;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87mk0Uzivo << moar properly german stuffs.
1726883;1508434874;asciilifeform;american occupation soldiers in jp were taught, Officially, to say 'don't touch the moustache' <-> どういたしまして  (dou itashimashite)  - 'you're welcome'
1726884;1508434999;asciilifeform;oh hey is there a ro incarnation of the ubiqutous ww2 'song of the devil' ?
1726885;1508435018;asciilifeform;i know of version in fr, sp, portuguese, italian, even english
1726886;1508435022;asciilifeform;but is there a ro ?
1726887;1508435030;mircea_popescu;now this i don;t know.
1726888;1508435050;mircea_popescu;marschiert in feindesland ?
1726889;1508435064;asciilifeform;aha it
1726890;1508435114;mircea_popescu;if there is i dunno it.
1726891;1508435115;asciilifeform;apparently still marched to in modern bundeswehr...
1726892;1508435124;mircea_popescu;well fiend just means enemy.
1726893;1508435129;asciilifeform;well yes
1726894;1508435139;asciilifeform;mega-song, there's even a ru
1726895;1508435197;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726851 << that thing is worth 200buxorz max ( and that's if in museum condition )
1726896;1508435197;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 16:16 shinohai: Anyone here know if this might be a useful box? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/sys/d/mac-prox28ghz-8-cores-10gb/6352402994.html
1726897;1508435248;mircea_popescu;but the relation is apt, the whole drum bun is quite it, "may you make it back out" sorta thing.
1726898;1508435445;mircea_popescu;in other "independence" lulz, https://kingofromania.com/2017/08/02/rogozin-vs-romania/
1726899;1508435572;asciilifeform;'nobody in Romania uses Twitter' << srsly?!
1726900;1508435596;mircea_popescu;well... the 20something hos tried in the early 2010s, which is how i ended up sucked in.
1726901;1508435601;mircea_popescu;afaik didn't get too far.
1726902;1508435616;mircea_popescu;so an exaggeration, but not that substantial. like saying "nobody in the us uses yahoo mail"
1726903;1508435688;asciilifeform;and what does d00d have to do to get Officially banned from eu ?
1726904;1508435699;mircea_popescu;be part of ru govt, afaik.
1726905;1508435712;asciilifeform;lol!
1726906;1508435794;mircea_popescu;hey, the euros are retarded. they end up footing the bill for usg red pseudomilitary adventures in the middle east via hosting refugees (hey, when's the last time anyone sent 10 mn syrians to live in new fucking york, instead of germany, france etc ?) and for usg blue pseudodiplomatic misadventure in the shape of paying more for gas, selling less machinery and total real estate collapse because no more russki suckers to buy u
1726907;1508435794;mircea_popescu;p the "valuable" resorts.
1726908;1508435838;asciilifeform;they signed up for this when swallowed the usg occupation cock in '45.
1726909;1508435859;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "signed up". greeks signed up for repaying debts when they took money, lol.
1726910;1508435864;mircea_popescu;euros are retarded is all.
1726911;1508435872;asciilifeform;signed up the way d00d who steps off cliff, signs up to splat
1726912;1508435878;mircea_popescu;not in the slightest.
1726913;1508435904;mircea_popescu;signed up in the way afghan signed up to use us provided weapons to defend "us interests".
1726914;1508435951;asciilifeform;when you ~disband own army and instead invite in million austrogot^H^H^H^H^american d00dz instead...
1726915;1508435957;mircea_popescu;yes ?
1726916;1508435969;mircea_popescu;venice had no standing army. charles came and as he came he went.
1726917;1508436020;asciilifeform;standing armies in today's sense did not exist in time of venice
1726918;1508436040;mircea_popescu;of course they did.
1726919;1508436044;asciilifeform;where ?
1726920;1508436050;mircea_popescu;turks had them, for instance.
1726921;1508436061;asciilifeform;hm possibly
1726922;1508436064;asciilifeform;afaik nobody else tho ?
1726923;1508436081;mircea_popescu;it's complicated with a matter of relative sizes and holy roman provinces, but anyway.
1726924;1508436127;mircea_popescu;there was such a thing as a professional solider, let's put it this way. as a class.
1726925;1508436165;asciilifeform;these yes, landsknecht et al
1726926;1508436432;mircea_popescu;"Therefore, it’s pretty obvious that a handful of Moldovan avitation enthusiasts were better informed and had a better grasp of the strategic situation than the entire Romanian government."
1726927;1508436433;mircea_popescu;heh.
1726928;1508436435;asciilifeform;https://kingofromania.com/2017/08/09/why-do-romanians-hate-and-fear-russia/ << in other lulz from link
1726929;1508436444;mircea_popescu;come to think i actually like this guy. asciilifeform see if he wants to join ? does he have a contact ?
1726930;1508436503;asciilifeform;i suspect mircea_popescu might have much better result if he, famous ro d00d, writes
1726931;1508436513;mircea_popescu;but mircea_popescu also doesn't have an email.
1726932;1508436545;asciilifeform;hmm
1726933;1508436603;asciilifeform;https://kingofromania.com/2015/11/22/the-odessa-tales-pt-2/ << asciilifeform found interesting.
1726934;1508436747;asciilifeform;in other lollamatics, https://kingofromania.com/2014/02/08/with-friends-like-these-who-needs-enemies/ >> 'With Basescu’s personal and enthusiastic blessing, the FBI operates a field office in Bucharest with dozens of agents' etc
1726935;1508436772;mircea_popescu;aha.
1726936;1508436844;asciilifeform;also cluj was for a time hungarian, i had nfi
1726937;1508436866;mircea_popescu;https://kingofromania.com/2014/02/06/lethal-ignorance/ << lulz of all fucking time, romanian emergency airflight authority can't convert decimal to traditional lng/lat notation.
1726938;1508436886;asciilifeform;oh hey mircea_popescu had an article !
1726939;1508436888;asciilifeform;about this incident
1726940;1508436906;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform transylvania, all of it, is the largest part of both the kingdom of hungary and the kingdom of romania. it was part of both for about equal intervals, and also independent for a while
1726941;1508436907;asciilifeform;or was that another avoidable crash
1726942;1508436915;mircea_popescu;i think it was a different one.
1726943;1508436938;asciilifeform;'STS = roughly equivalent to a combination of the American NSA and NRO, the STS also manages the emergency number (112) dispatch centers' >> waiwat
1726944;1508436946;mircea_popescu;serviciul de telecomunicatii speciale.
1726945;1508436949;asciilifeform;nsa certainly does not such thing tho
1726946;1508436956;mircea_popescu;he's correct, it's just about it.
1726947;1508436962;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform of course it does ?
1726948;1508436965;asciilifeform;nsa + fire department ?!
1726949;1508436970;mircea_popescu;well...
1726950;1508436980;asciilifeform;nsa dun have a 'we need urgent gasenwagen!111' phone hotline afaik
1726951;1508436986;*;asciilifeform pictures this
1726952;1508437000;mircea_popescu;they "create" the "environment" for "Government digital communications". ie, like nsa issues trump a smarthphone, sms issued my mother an email or w/e.
1726953;1508437054;mircea_popescu;relevant, http://trilema.com/2010/reverse-dns/#selection-155.1-152.3
1726954;1508437315;mircea_popescu;but yes, back to it, by the time tmsr has its own isp it will have become more of an actual country than say romania. the eu member.
1726955;1508437586;asciilifeform;'Romania fucked up literally everything in World War 2. They lost Transylvania to their allies. The Romanian government hated Jews, tried to exterminate them, but then realized that their economy couldn’t survive without them. '
1726956;1508437604;asciilifeform;how did that last part work
1726957;1508437626;mircea_popescu;dja know that ancient joke that if you hear a hungarian speaking foreign languages you know he's a jew ?
1726958;1508437652;asciilifeform;aha?
1726959;1508437678;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/romanul-si-comertul/#selection-25.0-25.256 topic
1726960;1508437700;mircea_popescu;i have never met in my entire life an ethnic romanian who was a competent merchant. not once, not one, not ever.
1726961;1508438613;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz of all time, a terribly bad test "for fascism" gives me 43%, ie fellow-traveller status.
1726962;1508438667;mircea_popescu;apparently if you're a free market individualist without any regard for "the state", you're suspekt. news at 11 i guess.
1726963;1508438712;ben_vulpes;you wanna hear about fascism; fuckin irs wants spousal consent for electing to treat a certain corporation a certain way
1726964;1508438733;mircea_popescu;o.O
1726965;1508438765;ben_vulpes;DON'T SIGN THE PAPERS
1726966;1508438789;mircea_popescu;im kinda hoping they reintroduce the "village community". want you to buy a car, ask first the мир for permission.
1726967;1508438794;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: elaborate ?
1726968;1508438795;ben_vulpes;"baby, it is moments like this that i sincerely regret not just signing a declaration and broadcasting it to the republic"
1726969;1508438885;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes at least name it Preemptive Asset Hiding Corporation For Use In Later Divorce Proceedings To Circumvent Governmental Attempts At Nationalization And Assorted Activist Judge Idiocy And Also To Make Sure The Dumb Fucking Whore And Her Repugnant Spawn Fucking Starve, Inc.
1726970;1508438912;ben_vulpes;fuckin lol
1726971;1508438975;ben_vulpes;i need a fiatcorp to make that happen like i need an uncooled 42u cabinet
1726972;1508439000;mircea_popescu;yes, but let the empire of Named Things carry its own struggles.
1726973;1508439038;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "in some circumstances", when electing to treat an llc as s-corp, irs demands spousal consent
1726974;1508439085;mircea_popescu;those circumstances being that they are so fucking touchy about woman not getting all that she possibly could alloted her by divorce court.
1726975;1508439413;asciilifeform;https://kingofromania.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/royalewithcheese.jpg << lol
1726976;1508439433;mircea_popescu;ew
1726977;1508439441;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ianal but i was under the impression that anything within nato reich with yer name on it somewhere, is Officially confiscatable
1726978;1508439443;asciilifeform;corps or no corps
1726979;1508439503;ben_vulpes;well duh, but wife's signature to change tax status?
1726980;1508439533;asciilifeform;aha hilarious in light of above. why would it matter what type of corp.
1726981;1508439547;ben_vulpes;next they'll want wife's signature to lease hookers
1726982;1508439558;trinque;pretty sure it's state by state, that
1726983;1508439577;asciilifeform;but, horrors, what if you haven't got a wife! whatthen!
1726984;1508439590;ben_vulpes;in tangential lulz, one of the "children rescused in fbi child trafficking sting", touted as an "18 month old, rescued from sex trafficking!" was in fact hooker's baby and is now a state ward
1726985;1508439598;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes from experience i find the girls pick much better hookers than i do.
1726986;1508439617;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no doubt, but statal mandate that wife picks hookers?!
1726987;1508439627;mircea_popescu;hey, turkey had it.
1726988;1508439635;mircea_popescu;or wait, actually, was ... previous guy's wife.
1726989;1508439640;mircea_popescu;with any luck, your own mother.
1726990;1508439680;asciilifeform;if you're a sultan
1726991;1508439690;trinque;ah son of a bitch, texas is a "community property" state too
1726992;1508439696;mircea_popescu;trinque loller.
1726993;1508439700;asciilifeform;trinque: wassat ?
1726994;1508439725;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking point of marriage is community property. whadda ya want
1726995;1508439728;trinque;says your frou owns half of what you earn over the course of marriage
1726996;1508439744;asciilifeform;only half?!
1726997;1508439782;mircea_popescu;actually it says that a) marriage is a corporation in which b) each spouse owns 50% and c) unless specifically excepted prior, all income of either party is assigned to it.
1726998;1508439805;mircea_popescu;this should be taught in "civil class" or w/e they call it in hs. but in any case -- don['t mary below your station, what.
1726999;1508439825;asciilifeform;i knew a d00d who ended up in this typical meat grinder : he supplied 100% of the income, she -- 100% of the debt
1727000;1508439834;asciilifeform;guess which number had moar zeros in front.
1727001;1508439847;*;ben_vulpes still extracting ongoing dowry payments
1727002;1508439908;mircea_popescu;hey, a slim minority of the girls actually market their own produce to the point of obtaining cash for it. i see no serious problems with this situation.
1727003;1508439949;ben_vulpes;buy 'em, own 'em, fuck 'em, put 'em to work.
1727004;1508439952;mircea_popescu;i don't credit the "oh, marketing is the only employee with ROI, everyone else just contributes to costs, marketing contributes to revenue". somebody's gotta make the shit you package and sell.
1727005;1508440000;mircea_popescu;similarily, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639
1727006;1508440000;a111;Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
1727007;1508443345;asciilifeform;sooooo recently asciilifeform bought a 1990s-style electrodictionary for a language . and like any 1990s gadget, it also 'is a phone book, and organizer' and other misc rubbish , and this rubbish functionality required a DIFFERENT calibre of watch battery from the 2 main 3v cells. and would whine that 'memory batt low' etc, while draining main cells in MINUTES after insertion:
1727008;1508443356;asciilifeform;took thing apart, found that the main cells DRAIN THROUGH THE BACKUP
1727009;1508443366;asciilifeform;and removal of the latter turns it, suddenly, into a usable item...
1727010;1508443370;asciilifeform;chinese design ftw.
1727011;1508443374;mircea_popescu;lol
1727012;1508443406;asciilifeform;it was a serious wtf moment
1727013;1508443411;asciilifeform;this was actual mass-market product
1727014;1508443418;asciilifeform;with schoolboy-level bug
1727015;1508443427;asciilifeform;in pcb , no less
1727016;1508443472;asciilifeform;i pawed through the manual , looking for a 'do not install backup mem batt, we put that hole in while drunk' but found nope.
1727017;1508443488;mircea_popescu;maybe it was added while drunk
1727018;1508443499;asciilifeform;i can't think of any explanation that doesn't involve substances.
1727019;1508443549;asciilifeform;funnily enough it does NOT complain 'batt low' when REMOVED
1727020;1508443834;mircea_popescu;https://kingofromania.com/2014/12/03/the-curious-case-of-the-100-thousand/ << this is a delicious exercise in ignorance (from the same guy that's very carefully angered by the notion of beating women, o golly!).
1727021;1508443863;mircea_popescu;tl;dr dood who knows when automobile was invented "can not see" how 100k people could have travelled "in the cold" of early december over "long distances" and "what they would have eaten".
1727022;1508443957;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that this is the 1900s, whereas peopel routinely travelled large distances in the cold and ate just five five centuries prior, and before that. because a) the cart of the time was intended as and functioned as a whole-family-mover, which is exactly how oregon trail happened ; and because the grain->bread and corn->mamaliga cycle permit something to the tune of 2mn calories per ton, ie enough to feed a family o
1727023;1508443957;mircea_popescu;f 10 for most of a year.
1727024;1508443958;mircea_popescu;and so following.
1727025;1508444007;asciilifeform;ww1 features 100s'k of folx happily moving ~on foot~
1727026;1508444012;asciilifeform;so what's the mystery here
1727027;1508444026;mircea_popescu;but whatever, "i can't see how people travelled before they had electric cars or why would a wife benefit from the occasional beating"
1727028;1508444036;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nfi.
1727029;1508444038;asciilifeform;most of ww2 red army moved also on foot
1727030;1508444046;asciilifeform;and on both sides many moar horses than truck
1727031;1508444072;asciilifeform;and everybody ate, and it is not mega-mystery what they ate and how...
1727032;1508444102;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's a case of "i came up with this theory which is mine".
1727033;1508444163;asciilifeform;theories generally oughta pass laugh test imho
1727034;1508444181;mircea_popescu;what pantsuit theory passes laugh test ?
1727035;1508444187;mircea_popescu;they're a humourless lot.
1727036;1508444454;shinohai;http://archive.is/ICNd9   <<< I'd almost bet 1 BTC some redditard suggests they put this on "The Ethereum blockchain!!!" and it wouldn't happen.
1727037;1508444485;mircea_popescu;loller
1727038;1508444715;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ugh, that guy always stank to me of americanism of the most annoying sort; and this "how could they have travelled" is precisely of that sort; "oh noes, how can one WALK a MILE???"
1727039;1508444736;mircea_popescu;he has the original well researched revisionist piece.
1727040;1508444761;mircea_popescu;basically, every time he doesn't use his own gut feelings, he's tolerably in the vicinty of truth.
1727041;1508444782;mircea_popescu;has the occasional* not original i mean.
1727042;1508444853;mircea_popescu;anyway. the arguments he presents don't work -- travel is much more likely in a country devastated by war than in one stable. in the latter case people feed themselves by tending to their crops ; but if no crops, they feed themselves by... GOING TO THE MARKET.
1727043;1508444873;mircea_popescu;and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come".
1727044;1508444881;diana_coman;that might be I guess; he certainly does write at least more than the 100 words thrown at the blank page half-randomly, certainly; not so sure if there is anything more than that
1727045;1508444881;mircea_popescu;this is how pre-modern commerce works.
1727046;1508445003;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come". << Well, that's sorta what walmart is in a more retarded fashion
1727047;1508445015;diana_coman;maybe he suggests he would sit and starve because... no car?
1727048;1508445019;mircea_popescu;i suppose, yeah.
1727049;1508445050;mircea_popescu;diana_coman well for his good fortune he's married to some local chick, so i expect he'd just you know.
1727050;1508445061;mircea_popescu;do what she fucking tells him to.
1727051;1508445153;asciilifeform;wait d00d is american?!
1727052;1508445172;mircea_popescu;yes.
1727053;1508445182;asciilifeform;that'd explain buncha things
1727054;1508445186;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1727055;1508445197;asciilifeform;so he's the... ro version of 'otaku' ?!
1727056;1508445226;mircea_popescu;well, it's a large country. richer than the us per capita, and certainly culturally stronger. so...
1727057;1508445233;mircea_popescu;yeah, i suppose so.
1727058;1508445243;asciilifeform;nuts
1727059;1508445254;asciilifeform;rotaku
1727060;1508445256;phf;i think i heard it called a "cultural honkey"
1727061;1508445267;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, guess so, huh; he'd find out quickly "how is it possible" lol
1727062;1508445272;phf;i.e. wigger, otaku, etc
1727063;1508445299;asciilifeform;roaboo
1727064;1508445326;asciilifeform;( or see generic 'xenopatriot' pg on dramatica or was it the ru one )
1727065;1508445574;hanbot; Untill and unless I  / Until
1727066;1508445588;hanbot;^ in latest trilema, i mean, mircea_popescu
1727067;1508445618;BingoBoingo;I thought thos were synonyms
1727068;1508445638;hanbot;they're syllollyms
1727069;1508445679;BingoBoingo;AeohAOH!
1727070;1508445679;mircea_popescu;aty\
1727071;1508445735;hanbot;anyway having spent a few years fulfilling copywriting specs i'll admit a fair amount of the work was absorbed in weighing whether a given spec-producer seemed likely to pull the penny-revision stuff
1727072;1508445764;mircea_popescu;heh
1727073;1508446106;diana_coman;asciilifeform I guess I can vouch now for FG being "safe for kids" - 5 yo spotted one on my desk and asked the usual ton of questions BUT he figured out by himself that "it has a manual too, look!"
1727074;1508446133;mircea_popescu;lol!
1727075;1508446140;shinohai;"I am disappoint Mom, took this out to pasture and it did not fuck goat"
1727076;1508446151;diana_coman;aha, try explaining to a 5 yo what that is and what it does...
1727077;1508446167;diana_coman;ahaha shinohai
1727078;1508446216;mod6;haha
1727079;1508446237;shinohai;o hai mod6
1727080;1508446246;mod6;how goes shinohai!
1727081;1508446267;shinohai;Toiling away in Eulora here, u?
1727082;1508446276;phf;diana_coman: did you also explain the logo?
1727083;1508446353;mod6;shinohai: werd. about to log back in actually & checkout the mining today
1727084;1508446353;shinohai;sweet
1727085;1508446353;diana_coman;phf, neah, he ignored the logo entirely
1727086;1508446425;phf;asciilifeform: i wanted to add your mpi to btcbase patches, but realized that it's not a valid vpatch, since it doesn't have a genesis. i'll add an exception to mechanisms (right now it just 404's and all kinds of broken, basically), but!
1727087;1508446491;phf;fwiw current patches convention is that genesis-less vpatch is rendered as a purple box with an arrow coming in, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=deprecated but when it's only one it's not working
1727088;1508446650;phf;diana_coman: right, i guess it doesn't have any symbolic value, when there's no underlying concept associated with it
1727089;1508446807;diana_coman;phf, quite; basically "white squiggles" from his point of view atm really; he noticed the letters, yes, because those he recognises as symbols but otherwise in any case, screws and cables way more interesting
1727090;1508447241;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Do you routinely take hime to the good playgorund (i.e. the hardware store)?
1727091;1508447397;BingoBoingo;In other joys found http://www.buildablade.com/bb-itx96.htm
1727092;1508447410;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, not yet hardware store as such, no; he does get to see though anything that is going on (computers being operated on included), he does get to help with anything that he is able to atm and he does get to assemble his own stuff (the most recent of which is a fully functional water pump model thing that kept him busy for days as per http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2017/10/08/lictis-plictis-ori-boala-copilariei/ (poor
1727093;1508447410;diana_coman;q picture in there)
1727094;1508447441;diana_coman;but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet
1727095;1508447474;diana_coman;to take apart his own stuff too, lol; important this one
1727096;1508447523;BingoBoingo;Very cool.
1727097;1508450388;mircea_popescu;phf don't add fucking exceptions wtf.
1727098;1508450606;shinohai;lol in otc -  16:19 	+joecool	or fork the wot and start a weird little cult like mp did
1727099;1508450672;mircea_popescu;that weird little thing everyone's stuck fixing their watches by.
1727100;1508452765;asciilifeform;waaaaitasec phf , whaddayamean no genesis ?!
1727101;1508452816;asciilifeform;>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 << subj
1727102;1508452879;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case )
1727103;1508452879;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 21:09 BingoBoingo: In other joys found http://www.buildablade.com/bb-itx96.htm
1727104;1508452928;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727076 << 'throws imaginary coin very, very quickly'
1727105;1508452928;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 20:49 diana_coman: aha, try explaining to a 5 yo what that is and what it does...
1727106;1508453048;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727094 << 5 is when they started asciilifeform on englishism
1727107;1508453048;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 21:10 diana_coman: but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet
1727108;1508453069;*;asciilifeform remembers the copybook : 'a wolf sits under a tree and sings a long song' etc
1727109;1508453071;diana_coman;asciilifeform, good idea actually; I suspect he needs more play with the whole point of throwing coin as it is ; part of what was difficult was precisely the "but why do you want to do that?"
1727110;1508453094;asciilifeform;diana_coman: imho otp is actually simple enough to teach a kid
1727111;1508453114;asciilifeform;can show with pennies on a table
1727112;1508453127;asciilifeform;' if these pair are opposite -- this is a 1 ' etc
1727113;1508453135;*;asciilifeform not pro pedagogue
1727114;1508453140;diana_coman;it is, yes; it just did not make it to the top of the pile really
1727115;1508453161;asciilifeform;this is how asciilifeform's brother taught him, with various household detritus
1727116;1508453227;diana_coman;I think there'll be some crypto play in this house, lol; tbh as a child this part of "secret" messages was terribly fun even as idea only
1727117;1508453270;diana_coman;but for some reason it's still my father's oscilloscope I remember better from that age (5), lol
1727118;1508453277;asciilifeform;i have perelman's 'Живая математика', ended up making the cardano grille , making & breaking the usual caesar cipher, etc
1727119;1508453280;asciilifeform;was riotously fun
1727120;1508453333;diana_coman;hah, I can pass it on to his father then !!
1727121;1508453340;mircea_popescu;teaching the kid to otp will surely give him something to blow schoolmates out of water.
1727122;1508453347;mircea_popescu;secrets are big at that age ; and especially for girlz.
1727123;1508453395;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727102 << I am still looking for both higher density pcengines apartments as well as beefier AMD boards
1727124;1508453395;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 22:41 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case )
1727125;1508453409;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you don't ~want~ them in too high density
1727126;1508453422;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That is what fans are for
1727127;1508453439;asciilifeform;the other problem with those is that they have no heat sink from vendor other than a little aluminum shim that depends on the stock iron case being there
1727128;1508453466;BingoBoingo;Hence beefy fans with lots of gang noise
1727129;1508453466;asciilifeform;when you bolt'em to an iron sheet, it gets pressed, so can still use it, but need the iron sheet
1727130;1508453475;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fans do jack w/out heatspreader
1727131;1508453501;BingoBoingo;Plenty of places to get little aluminum heatsinks
1727132;1508453505;asciilifeform;no mounting holes
1727133;1508453516;asciilifeform;it has to be pressed by whole board bolted to sumthing, on that one.
1727134;1508453516;BingoBoingo;conductive epoxy
1727135;1508453526;asciilifeform;potentially.
1727136;1508453674;BingoBoingo;One cannot simply assume a world in 2017 without jbweld, much as one cannot assume a world in 1800 without procelain tile
1727137;1508453749;asciilifeform;heavy heatsink held with conductive epoxy is in asciilifeform's experience more often than not a recipe for ripping the chip from the board, balls, tracks, and all
1727138;1508453796;asciilifeform;you gotta mechanically decouple the thing from the board somehow
1727139;1508453818;asciilifeform;( ever wonder why even cheapest shit cpu for pc never used heatsink held with epoxy ? )
1727140;1508453833;asciilifeform;certainly not since cyrix 486 at any rate
1727141;1508454049;BingoBoingo;Why not light heatsink to case? Not like it's a fucking opteron
1727142;1508454067;asciilifeform;lol it's a small opteron
1727143;1508454113;BingoBoingo;Of dubious up to date node running ability
1727144;1508454135;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo use hot&spicy fucklube.
1727145;1508454143;asciilifeform;it's approx same as 'zoolag'
1727146;1508454199;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's same generation as my mainbox E350 but slower. E350 vulnerable to high block processing times even with 31337 SSD attached
1727147;1508454267;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and so was dulap, a recent intel with 256G ram and 32core
1727148;1508454273;asciilifeform;it's ~entirely i/o-bound
1727149;1508454378;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-little-shit/ << Trilema - The story of the little shit
1727150;1508454383;BingoBoingo;Except for those mega signature stuffed blocks
1727151;1508454525;asciilifeform;still i/o-bound
1727152;1508454539;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see my measurements patch, and output, on the ml.
1727153;1508455657;asciilifeform;!!up ascii_in_orcland
1727154;1508455658;deedbot;ascii_in_orcland voiced for 30 minutes.
1727155;1508455664;ascii_in_orcland;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bIUbA/?raw=true
1727156;1508455666;deedbot;76F814216BE3CF14AC31E0993B73837D67163DBA registered as ascii_in_orcland.
1727157;1508455734;asciilifeform;!!rate ascii_in_orcland 1 a voyagekey of asciilifeform, inquire within
1727158;1508455737;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zGyUM/?raw=true
1727159;1508455764;asciilifeform;!!v 33D562770A1D875C86DEF14AB67A890D9A0DF335D383E3F3F5C0173FE1F36327
1727160;1508455765;deedbot;asciilifeform rated ascii_in_orcland 1 << a voyagekey of asciilifeform, inquire within
1727161;1508455808;asciilifeform;!!down ascii_in_orcland
1727162;1508455919;ascii_in_orcland;apologies for the l0gznoise. this box will not speak again unless my bouncer fails. but all gpggrams to end of the month should be addressed to this key, or reply will have to wait until nov 1.
1727163;1508456060;asciilifeform;thaaat was surprisingly painless. kudos to trinque .
1727164;1508456201;mod6;thanks for the update
1727165;1508456222;asciilifeform;i go tomorrow, but did not want to save this for last hour.
1727166;1508456339;shinohai;Bon voyage asciilifeform !
1727167;1508456342;asciilifeform;ty shinohai .
1727168;1508456378;mod6;happy travels, Sir.
1727169;1508456526;asciilifeform;will be interesting.
1727170;1508456949;ben_vulpes;business or pleasure, asciilifeform ?
1727171;1508457032;asciilifeform;bizeasure
1727172;1508457051;ben_vulpes;interesting indeed
1727173;1508457528;mod6;!!59B97C36043CE68DB990BA3072AEF706BADA373D8415893B89718CC1A39DAEB6
1727174;1508457535;mod6;!!v 59B97C36043CE68DB990BA3072AEF706BADA373D8415893B89718CC1A39DAEB6
1727175;1508457535;deedbot;mod6 rated wyatt06 1 << Eulora
1727176;1508459433;mircea_popescu;and here's a bit of an evolutionary biology mindbomb : since the ability to distinguish one's own sons from other's sons is positively selected in males, it is altogether probable males have developed the ability to recognize their own spawn as such.
1727177;1508459441;mircea_popescu;soo... does the new baby LOOK TO YOU like it's yours ?
1727178;1508459542;mircea_popescu;shinohai you around ?
1727179;1508459638;shinohai;mircea_popescu: present
1727180;1508460865;mircea_popescu;and in early rail locomotion, http://www.tikiwebgroup.com/fingeredorfucked/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/tumblr_ksrlkrr6uQ1qzaz2ro1_12801.jpg
1727181;1508461233;shinohai;"What, 1435mm is all you got son?"
1727182;1508461262;mircea_popescu;kek
1727183;1508462574;shinohai;In other "Nobody could have predicted" http://archive.is/wTi4C
1727184;1508462679;mircea_popescu;awww
1727185;1508462741;mircea_popescu;"here's a list of a half dozen tards who paid some scammers way too much money to be named in an inept piece in random fiat fake news outlet"
1727186;1508462795;mircea_popescu;"*A substantial profit. Our ageing editor needed the phrase translating." outsourced writing, too.
1727187;1508463003;shinohai;The Dogecoin consideration was pretty lulzy though.
1727188;1508463065;BingoBoingo;In other lols, there is a place in Brazil that has datacenters and it is lulzily enough named Uberlandia
1727189;1508463118;*;shinohai searches for `Lyftlandia` ....
1727190;1508463753;BingoBoingo;In other news Portuges feels more more Italian than Spanish on deeper digging
1727191;1508463860;shinohai;Dem romance languages
1727192;1508463883;*;BingoBoingo learns a lot reading ad copy
1727193;1508464216;BingoBoingo;And power tool manuals
1727194;1508473204;mircea_popescu;and in random weird, http://edgecasesoftware.com/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits.txt
1727195;1508473845;BingoBoingo;lol
1727196;1508493051;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Enjoy not all the numbers. Apparently while life may be cheap in Asia, IPs are not? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/v35oI/?raw=true
1727197;1508497876;phf;asciilifeform: don't forget to bring the customary earth in a small baggy from the motherland
1727198;1508507993;shinohai;This is great ... what can possibly go wrong? https://github.com/Arachnid/solsha1
1727199;1508511167;diana_coman;on Centos 6.8 (64bits) trying to read fg's output from ttyUSB0 with dd hangs on most occasions (erratically it will work but I haven't figured out when exactly); at the same time, a "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 " works perfectly fine <-- anybody knows what this is about?
1727200;1508511221;diana_coman;I might add that I *did* run the stty command first ofc; AND reported settings afterwards seemed fine
1727201;1508511561;mircea_popescu;diana_coman probably flow control
1727202;1508511718;diana_coman;lol mircea_popescu
1727203;1508511741;mircea_popescu;i r halp!
1727204;1508511882;diana_coman;to re-phrase the question then: does anyone know of any centos/dd-specific idea re flow control? very same tty setup works on ubuntu or xubuntu verified; to reiterate: ttyUSB0 IS set with stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok; anything else centos wants there specifically?
1727205;1508511944;diana_coman;otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out what screen does exactly that it works, ugh
1727206;1508511980;mircea_popescu;whats dmesg say ?
1727207;1508512078;mircea_popescu;iirc centos format is (sudo) setserial blabla, it lists devices / state etc with -g
1727208;1508512266;diana_coman;hm, it sees it/reports it fine as far as I can tell; pl2303 attached to ttyUSB0; ehci_hcd
1727209;1508512305;mircea_popescu;i would guess, since screen sees it fine, that your problem is later in the flow. maybe the windows manager fucks it up for you ?
1727210;1508512306;diana_coman;will dig some more later I guess; unless someone knows this already
1727211;1508512325;mircea_popescu;does problem persist if you use the actual system tty rather than X ?
1727212;1508512333;diana_coman;what X? no X on that machine, lol
1727213;1508512339;mircea_popescu;ah.
1727214;1508512348;mircea_popescu;then nfi, pretty bizarre.
1727215;1508512749;shinohai;In CentOS I think one has to pass -ixon or -ixoff to turn flow control on/off
1727216;1508518484;diana_coman;shinohai, that seems to be a bit closer but not yet solved: added -ixoff and next run of dd went fine but then it was stuck again; turned on and off again and it was still just hanging so simply reset on that was not enough either; something is weird there
1727217;1508518512;diana_coman;hmm, maybe ixany too, lemme see
1727218;1508518534;shinohai;Indeed .... been a long time since I messed with CentOS so I may be wrong here ....
1727219;1508518605;diana_coman;no, still hanging, ugh
1727220;1508518634;diana_coman;guess I'll go through the full list and at least see if there is anything that might help
1727221;1508519861;diana_coman;eh, raw actually includes -ixoff and -ixany so no wonder that did not do much
1727222;1508520037;asciilifeform;diana_coman: gotta find out how your setup differs from that of mod6 , trinque , ben_vulpes , danielpbarron , et al
1727223;1508520048;asciilifeform;diana_coman: also double-check your wiring.
1727224;1508520318;diana_coman;asciilifeform, screen works on *same machine*
1727225;1508520338;diana_coman;hence, more a matter of what does screen do differently
1727226;1508520344;asciilifeform;what means screen works ?
1727227;1508520368;diana_coman;screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely
1727228;1508520384;asciilifeform;yes it sees the tty. but FG puts out ~arbitrary~ octets (yes all 8 bits) and the tty gotta work with this without losing what it thinks is 'control chars' (0x13, 0x03, etc)
1727229;1508520389;asciilifeform;screen won't tell you this
1727230;1508520404;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I'm not yet even there basically; dd simply hangs
1727231;1508520413;diana_coman;usually hangs
1727232;1508520414;asciilifeform;when you ctrl-c , what's it say ?
1727233;1508520418;asciilifeform;'0 bytes copied' ?
1727234;1508520420;diana_coman;yep
1727235;1508520433;asciilifeform;red lamp on FG lit ? flickers ?
1727236;1508520437;diana_coman;one in x runs of dd will even actually copy something
1727237;1508520470;diana_coman;green lamp steady on, red lamp flickering just like in *another* fg that is currently purring away nicely at another machine
1727238;1508520481;diana_coman;well, working, no noise
1727239;1508520541;asciilifeform;switch the serial cables from one to the other
1727240;1508520545;asciilifeform;b/w the working and the sad one
1727241;1508520563;asciilifeform;entirely possible that you got a defective cable, i do not test the cables, only the FG
1727242;1508520574;asciilifeform;( i expect that most purchasers throw away the usb cables )
1727243;1508520576;diana_coman;did a stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a on a working machine and on this machine, flags are same except for hupcl vs -hupcl on centos and onlcr vs -onlcr on centos; and a -cdtrdsr on centos, not mentioned on the other
1727244;1508520589;asciilifeform;1) switch the entire ensembles places
1727245;1508520593;diana_coman;asciilifeform, 1. I tried already 3 other cables; unlikely all three borked
1727246;1508520595;asciilifeform;2) then switch back, and switch only the cables.
1727247;1508520601;diana_coman;2. on same cable, screen reads ...
1727248;1508520626;asciilifeform;screen will not necessarily show anything if you feed it 8bit garbage
1727249;1508520647;diana_coman;but it shows...something at least; why does the other one not show anything?
1727250;1508520650;asciilifeform;the canonical test is dd if=/dev/yourfg | hexdump -C -v
1727251;1508520689;diana_coman;I switched this whole board to yet another machine , with its cable too; there it works
1727252;1508520698;diana_coman;that is an ubuntu os
1727253;1508520732;diana_coman;yes, canonical hence why I'm trying to get to the bottom of this
1727254;1508521310;asciilifeform;ugh
1727255;1508521323;asciilifeform;at this point i'd say that ubuntu is not a linux and explicitly unsupported...
1727256;1508521331;asciilifeform;it's a fuckknowswhat
1727257;1508521368;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes, fine; trouble is it's centos where the thing is not working
1727258;1508521384;asciilifeform;hm now that's odd
1727259;1508521392;asciilifeform;betcha it's a buggy pl2303 driver.
1727260;1508521409;asciilifeform;do you have a ftdi or other type of ttlserial cable in the house ?
1727261;1508521440;asciilifeform;i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
1727262;1508521464;diana_coman;hm, should have somewhere; will dig and try I guess
1727263;1508522583;shinohai; !!up collarmeslut
1727264;1508522584;deedbot;collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes.
1727265;1508522603;shinohai;Welcome collarmeslut
1727266;1508523051;shinohai;Well how do you expect to get collared, slut, if you don't say anything?
1727267;1508523914;BingoBoingo;Have your tried plugging it into your rs-232 port shinohai?
1727268;1508523931;shinohai;wassat BingoBoingo
1727269;1508523954;BingoBoingo;Your serial port, you know so she can speak through
1727270;1508523969;shinohai;lol
1727271;1508525066;phf;diana_coman: you can also try ``cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 115200'' since that doesn't take over the terminal AND if it works, you should be able to paste ``strace cu...'' output from which we can figure out what system calls that thing did before touching the device
1727272;1508525125;asciilifeform;phf: i suspect this will do 0, in buggy pl2303 driver i encountered, it's the bandwidth and flowcontrol setttings that didn't take. but other than that adapter behaves normally
1727273;1508525136;asciilifeform;which in the case of FG means worse-than-useless
1727274;1508525148;asciilifeform;( will pass through some bits, but at fraction of rated bandwidth and PATTERNED crapola )
1727275;1508525174;asciilifeform;i've been thinking for entire year what is to be done about this, but have conceived of no solution other than THROW AWAY BROKEN OS OMFG
1727276;1508525190;phf;well, if her stty is identical to whatever screen does, she should end up in an identical broken state, i.e. getting bits from dd same way she's getting bits from screen
1727277;1508525226;asciilifeform;i don't see a mention of anything ~appearing~ in diana_coman's screen -- merely that it doesn't barf from nonexistent tty
1727278;1508525231;asciilifeform;diana_coman did anything appear ?
1727279;1508525281;phf;i assumed by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727227 she means that there's some kind of output
1727280;1508525281;a111;Logged on 2017-10-20 17:26 diana_coman: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 reads nicely
1727281;1508525283;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes; I was trying to get that through but I'm possibly too tired for it: using screen results in constant stream of data
1727282;1508525316;asciilifeform;pretty odd.
1727283;1508525319;diana_coman;on the sad part it seems suitable cable not in house atm so it'll have to wait until tomorrow
1727284;1508525337;phf;asciilifeform: you can have a hardware button fixed pattern: hold a button, a fixed pattern of bits come out that you use for sanity check
1727285;1508525350;diana_coman;on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
1727286;1508525363;diana_coman;apparently uncompatible though very similar and reported same ofc etc
1727287;1508525386;asciilifeform;phf: on one hand could be useful, on other -- one more piece for enemy to wedge shut or otherwise manipulate in the post
1727288;1508525399;asciilifeform;for enemy, for dust, for workings of ordinary mechanical failure
1727289;1508525416;asciilifeform;i dun like having rng that is physically capable of putting out nonrandom.
1727290;1508525429;asciilifeform;bad enough that the cpld fw is rewritable.
1727291;1508525434;diana_coman;apparently there are 2 adapters namely ps2303 and ps2303x; incompatible; same vendor id and product id though
1727292;1508525448;asciilifeform;( i'dve installed onetimefused cpld, but IT DOES NOT EXIST on the market )
1727293;1508525449;diana_coman;and so this one seems to be pl2303x
1727294;1508525452;diana_coman;gah, pl* not ps
1727295;1508525461;asciilifeform;nuts.
1727296;1508525463;diana_coman;but detected as pl2303,hence barfs
1727297;1508525526;asciilifeform;ugh
1727298;1508525541;diana_coman;"the pl2303x can be distinguished from a pl2303 by checking bMaxPacketSize0 for device using lsusb -v -d 067b:2303; if bmaxpacketsize0 is 64 you probably have pl2303x"
1727299;1508525543;phf;a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems
1727300;1508525557;asciilifeform;phf: i fucking hate usbtoserial dongles
1727301;1508525564;asciilifeform;problem is that ~nobody has an actual serial port
1727302;1508525628;phf;they are basically like flash drives, 50 different branded versions of the same 5 Chinese controllers, 3 of which report same signature but behave slightly different, the other two are bugged by the agencies
1727303;1508525720;asciilifeform;afaik there is not a clean solution to this, other than to burn the pc nonsense to the ground
1727304;1508525753;asciilifeform;i will not make rngs that DEMAND 2way protocol and usb micro ( with the rewritable firmware nonsense ACTIVE AT ALL TIMES , and 50MB pdf of liquishit spec with holes )
1727305;1508525760;asciilifeform;and i will NOT make a rng that doesn't work with msdos box
1727306;1508525774;asciilifeform;so it is and will forever be a serial device, compatible with e.g. data diode.
1727307;1508525790;asciilifeform;who has a box that understands plain old circa 1960s rs232 -- can use fuckgoats
1727308;1508525793;asciilifeform;who does not have -- cannot.
1727309;1508525843;asciilifeform;it is pretty basic 'pons asinorum' of sane hardware.
1727310;1508526017;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I might be wrong on this but my current understanding is that it's my machine that has the *older* rather than the "required" newer driver
1727311;1508526060;BingoBoingo;In other lol: "We don´t work with colocation solutions, it´s possible we work with hosting servers?"
1727312;1508526060;asciilifeform;also i'm open to shipping something other than pl2303, if anyone has suggestions. ftdi is BANNED because 1) it costs 10x moar than pl2303 2) it is american/tw 3) it has rewritable fw that cannot be disabled
1727313;1508526088;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
1727314;1508526112;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Described self as datacenter
1727315;1508526138;phf;прачечная хуячечная это министерство культуры
1727316;1508526145;asciilifeform;^
1727317;1508526598;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727299 bwhaaha
1727318;1508526598;a111;Logged on 2017-10-20 18:52 phf: a programmer had a serial problem, "i know, i'll use usb to serial", now he had two problems
1727319;1508526614;mircea_popescu;teh sad truth
1727320;1508527183;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727261 << where "everywhere" is one of the most widely installed web distros, at that. not even fucking obscure or anything.
1727321;1508527183;a111;Logged on 2017-10-20 17:44 asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
1727322;1508527212;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727264 << aww, the things i missed.
1727323;1508527212;a111;Logged on 2017-10-20 18:03 deedbot: collarmeslut voiced for 30 minutes.
1727324;1508527262;shinohai; Nothing worse than an introverted slut
1727325;1508527282;mircea_popescu;all sluts are introverts.
1727326;1508527287;mircea_popescu;extroverts make great dickteases.
1727327;1508527434;mircea_popescu;and in other choices and options, http://78.media.tumblr.com/93f81ba493dbb4d047886193c095ecfe/tumblr_nl99he3WxU1sd72xuo1_1280.jpg
1727328;1508527521;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727285 << ahahaha. totally forgot about this shit.
1727329;1508527521;a111;Logged on 2017-10-20 18:49 diana_coman: on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
1727330;1508527563;mircea_popescu;cuz obviously no standard can stay unembraced.
1727331;1508527644;BingoBoingo;Cuntoo when?
1727332;1508527685;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727308 if only such heroes.
1727333;1508527685;a111;Logged on 2017-10-20 18:56 asciilifeform: who does not have -- cannot.
1727334;1508527752;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727313 << you'd be fucking surprised how often this is the case. "hello sir, this is bank, it just doesn't do any banking, problem ?"
1727335;1508527752;a111;Logged on 2017-10-20 19:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'sorry this is a tobacconist, not a colo' ?
1727336;1508527773;asciilifeform;again if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , or anybody else here, wants to suggest a replacement dongle -- i'm all ears. or better yet if we didn't even ship a dongle, every machine owner has responsibility to find some way to have a working serial port, it is not properly a problem in the scope of FG
1727337;1508527783;mircea_popescu;local fucktards for instance explained to me "they can't receive wires from abroad." i'm like... so got any rostipollo then ?
1727338;1508527798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform simmer down, what're you so irritable foar.
1727339;1508527829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the dongle thing is 99++% of the fg support mail to date
1727340;1508527833;asciilifeform;and i have nfi what do.
1727341;1508527858;BingoBoingo;Reffer questions to the dongler? It's his profession?
1727342;1508527875;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this re diana_coman thread
1727343;1508527916;BingoBoingo;And the other 98?
1727344;1508527923;mircea_popescu;i don't expect there's much anyone can do. so far, we gather dataz.
1727345;1508530970;ben_vulpes;eth kissing 0.05
1727346;1508539286;shinohai;!!up sexylucy
1727347;1508539287;deedbot;sexylucy voiced for 30 minutes.
1727348;1508539305;shinohai;Hi sexylucy
1727349;1508539307;sexylucy;mircea_popescu hay Bitcoin por tetas?
1727350;1508539377;shinohai;Hola sexylucy .... imagino que esta ausente por el momento, puedes esperar un momento?
1727351;1508540247;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1727352;1508540254;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5970.0, vol: 14654.47240142 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5972.8, vol: 60631.91066838 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5978.0, vol: 4411.05321761 | Volume-weighted last average: 5972.57295322
1727353;1508540255;shinohai;!~blocks
1727354;1508540257;jhvh1;shinohai: 490883
1727355;1508540330;mircea_popescu;sexylucy si que hay. b581b0a2 porfa.
1727356;1508540371;mircea_popescu;which reminds me, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724778
1727357;1508540371;a111;Logged on 2017-10-13 01:54 mircea_popescu: trinque don't sweat it, she'll do it when i tell her to, what. tomorrow, monday, whatever.
1727358;1508540417;sexylucy;un momento
1727359;1508540824;sexylucy;mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/DJ6p3B8.jpg
1727360;1508540909;mircea_popescu;there you go.
1727361;1508540918;mircea_popescu;sexylucy direccion de bitcoin ?
1727362;1508540962;sexylucy;1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2
1727363;1508540980;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.02 1ECQ9KkhYLyaHEbB9WHqbTiUmY5w69y6S2
1727364;1508540984;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EXOzd/?raw=true
1727365;1508541002;mircea_popescu;sexylucy tarda unas horas.
1727366;1508541072;sexylucy;si, ok gracias
1727367;1508541077;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1727368;1508541092;shinohai;A bot that can pay for tits, such technology :)
1727369;1508541128;mircea_popescu;the future of the human race emerges ever clearer.
1727370;1508541240;*;trinque does still owe a guide
1727371;1508541272;mircea_popescu;if i dun have it i can't alter the article so they can't have to make wallets etc.\
1727372;1508541273;trinque;I'm over here eagerly awaiting a printout, first non-hand-keyed withdrawal
1727373;1508541282;mircea_popescu;o hey. sweet.
1727374;1508541283;*;shinohai would be thrilled if he figured out a viable business involving deedbot/tips
1727375;1508541308;ben_vulpes;just the tips?
1727376;1508541317;asciilifeform;dice!!111
1727377;1508541317;mircea_popescu;shinohai the good news being that the juggernaught of the republic doth daily advance, so eventually it'll come.
1727378;1508541317;ben_vulpes;:D
1727379;1508541335;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes dja know the romanian joke with the bloke putting in just the tip ?
1727380;1508541336;shinohai;jejeje
1727381;1508541342;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no, do tell
1727382;1508541348;shinohai;s/tips/tits
1727383;1508541358;ben_vulpes;"#trilema: just the tits"
1727384;1508541370;mircea_popescu;hawt girly at that difficult age, kinda would like kinda dun wanna. guy proposes he puts in just the head.
1727385;1508541380;mircea_popescu;she eventually agress, and he fucks the living daylights out of her.
1727386;1508541395;mircea_popescu;after they come to, she's like "hey, i thought you were going to put in just the head ?"
1727387;1508541404;mircea_popescu;"well there's no shoulders on dick, honey."
1727388;1508541419;ben_vulpes;heh mhm
1727389;1508541421;trinque;bwahaha
1727390;1508541424;shinohai;xD
1727391;1508542195;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I've got NUMBERS!!! http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gZb24/?raw=true
1727392;1508542224;mircea_popescu;why are they secret ?
1727393;1508542255;BingoBoingo;Eh, figured someone would want surprise, but $3840/month 8kva and 2x10bps links
1727394;1508542332;BingoBoingo;Located in Sao Paulo, Brazil
1727395;1508542347;mircea_popescu;aha, bout same range as other one huh.
1727396;1508542353;BingoBoingo;Number helpfully offered in USD to the Gringo
1727397;1508542358;mircea_popescu;lol.
1727398;1508542364;mircea_popescu;aite, you gonna pursue this ?
1727399;1508542395;BingoBoingo;Roughly the same range, and Yeah, I don't see reason not too. Should have a bunch more numbers early next week.
1727400;1508542416;mircea_popescu;same q as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726308
1727401;1508542416;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 18:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja want an advance ?
1727402;1508542543;BingoBoingo;Yeah, one would be helpful. Still probing for other costs that might try to do the surprise sex thing on my butt.
1727403;1508542714;shinohai;yay buttsex
1727404;1508543013;BingoBoingo;This seems to be a good time for any Lords or L2's interested in homing a box to reach out.
1727405;1508543239;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: hot on the advertising already
1727406;1508544067;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Well when making hardware shopping list gotta have idea what people want. Do people want beefy opteron things that'll have me on a 4th rack by Sunday or do they want PCengines boards by the dozen.
1727407;1508545496;*;asciilifeform takeoff in 30m
1727408;1508545623;shinohai;Safe voyage asciilifeform and have fun!
1727409;1508548529;mircea_popescu;exciting times.
1727410;1508548966;mod6;indeed.
1727411;1508551330;shinohai;tfw BTC hits 3 trillion dollars @ kraken https://imgur.com/DFa8qqJ
1727412;1508551332;shinohai;SELL
1727413;1508551334;shinohai;lol
1727414;1508554096;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1727415;1508554101;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6065.98, vol: 17408.47924263 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6087.1, vol: 65906.06464691 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6060.0, vol: 5057.83792347 | Volume-weighted last average: 6081.38854944
1727416;1508554172;mircea_popescu;dat bitcoin crash, > ethereum
1727417;1508554213;mircea_popescu;who ever could hope to pay for lulz such as these...
1727418;1508554395;shinohai;Not that anything has changed in a month, but almost 0 utility for Bitcoin Crash AT ALL: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6x6uqh/list_of_bitcoin_cash_accepting_businesses/
1727419;1508554439;shinohai;"My drug dealer accepts Bitcoin Crash" lmfao
1727420;1508554478;mircea_popescu;the thing, is, no-one ever accepts any of the alts other than as a bitcoin derivative.
1727421;1508554494;mircea_popescu;it's like claiming "we accept dollars AND euros". why, because the euro's a thing now ?
1727422;1508554510;mircea_popescu;"oh, sure, it has a float rate and everything". right-o.
1727423;1508554532;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, https://medium.com/@nopara73/new-bitcoin-anonymity-technique-the-clusterfuck-wallet-d48aa1787324
1727424;1508554848;shinohai;Meanwhile, on yours all the "Hot" articles combined total less than I could make for writing a single Qntra. (maybe 2)
1727425;1508554850;shinohai;https://www.yours.org/
1727426;1508554861;mircea_popescu;doh.
1727427;1508558435;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/lifestyle-okay/ << Trilema - Lifestyle, okay ?
1727428;1508558643;mircea_popescu;in other news holy shit britannica.com looks just like a random spamsite.
1727429;1508559244;BingoBoingo;Holy lols t does
1727430;1508560269;BingoBoingo;In other self defense against antifa files: "Shortly before 5:30pm, it was reported that a silver Jeep stopped to argue with a group of protesters and began threatening, offering Nazi salutes and shouting chants about Hitler to the group that was near the bus stop. During the altercation, Tenbrink produced a handgun while the Fears brothers encouraged him to shoot at the victims. Tenbrink fired a single shot at the group which thankfully
1727431;1508560269;BingoBoingo; missed the group and struck a nearby building."
1727432;1508560300;BingoBoingo;Yet, once again: "one of the protesters involved in the altercation struck the Jeep with a baton before the shot was fired"
1727433;1508561534;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1727434;1508561541;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6027.4, vol: 18047.02551016 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6046.8, vol: 69404.89652073 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4251.858, vol: 0.00000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6064.0, vol: 5295.463232 | Volume-weighted last average: 6044.00714146
1727435;1508561542;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1727436;1508561543;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 490917 | Current Difficulty: 1.196792694098E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 491903 | Next Difficulty In: 986 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1727437;1508561641;BingoBoingo;https://identitydixie.com/2017/10/20/my-child-barks-and-smells-the-butts-of-others/
1727438;1508600024;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727402 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726311 work for you ?
1727439;1508600024;a111;Logged on 2017-10-20 23:35 BingoBoingo: Yeah, one would be helpful. Still probing for other costs that might try to do the surprise sex thing on my butt.
1727440;1508600024;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 18:55 mircea_popescu: i dunno, lessee. repayable in service charges / convertible to equity by mutual consent / convertible to one year guaranteed note at present fiat value in any case. how about that ?
1727441;1508601013;*;asciilifeform walks the ground of orcistan !
1727442;1508602641;mircea_popescu;o hey. how goes asciilifeform
1727443;1508602761;asciilifeform;fascinating
1727444;1508602771;asciilifeform;in the cab nao.
1727445;1508602819;asciilifeform;legs still elongating to orig shape
1727446;1508604038;mircea_popescu;lol
1727447;1508606565;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-coolest-thing-about-romania/ << Trilema - The coolest thing about Romania...
1727448;1508607720;shinohai;10/10 would read daily just to see Scarlett Johannson
1727449;1508607747;mircea_popescu;lol
1727450;1508607757;mircea_popescu;this was 2011, at the time nobody had seen her ass.
1727451;1508608029;mircea_popescu;and in other "the only new thing is the history you didn't know", female steroid users grow genuine penises where the clit used to be. head and errything. and they don't go away.
1727452;1508609615;shinohai;http://i.4cdn.org/b/1508606917567.jpg   <<< Ain't gonna suck itself!
1727453;1508613351;shinohai;!~bcstas
1727454;1508613351;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "bcstas" is not a valid command.
1727455;1508613355;shinohai;gah
1727456;1508613359;shinohai;!~bcstats
1727457;1508613360;jhvh1;shinohai: Current Blocks: 491017 | Current Difficulty: 1.196792694098E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 491903 | Next Difficulty In: 886 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1727458;1508613689;shinohai;!!up sexylucy
1727459;1508613689;deedbot;sexylucy voiced for 30 minutes.
1727460;1508613731;shinohai;Hola sexylucy
1727461;1508613789;sexylucy;hola mircea_popescu ;no he recibido los bitcoins.hice algo mal?
1727462;1508613942;shinohai;sexylucy: Esperate aqui y cuando viene mircea_popescu el te ayudara
1727463;1508614084;*;shinohai goes back to dragging this table micrometer by micrometer ....
1727464;1508615306;mircea_popescu;trinque did the auto thing fail ?
1727465;1508615375;mircea_popescu;sexylucy vamos a ver q paso.
1727466;1508615710;mircea_popescu;trinque nevermind i fucked it up. sexylucy gracias por signalar, tenia un error. disculpe la demora.
1727467;1508617629;lobbes;!!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/diana_coman_payment_receipt.txt
1727468;1508617800;diana_coman;o.O lobbes sorry about that; I read "total" indeed; do say it on the spot though!
1727469;1508617888;lobbes;I actually didn't notice until later; then I thought 'eh not worth worry about'
1727470;1508617959;lobbes;ultimately my fault for labeling the subtotals as 'totals'
1727471;1508618900;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727452 << eggog
1727472;1508618900;a111;Logged on 2017-10-21 18:13 shinohai: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1508606917567.jpg   <<< Ain't gonna suck itself!
1727473;1508618960;*;asciilifeform goes to sleep for 20hr or so 
1727474;1508618998;shinohai;May thoughts of Dani Daniels fill your dreams!
1727475;1508621379;trinque;mircea_popescu: got it now, w/ spiffy qr code printout
1727476;1508621502;trinque;btw, I will be traveling from tomorrow until wed. in-bot wallet ops will be working fine during that time, but I'll be unable to process withdrawals while out. any queued will be sent wed night.
1727477;1508621783;mircea_popescu;trinque so is this one sent ? chick's addy still empty fwis.
1727478;1508621790;mircea_popescu;!!pay 0.1 hanbot
1727479;1508621793;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0pvO5/?raw=true
1727480;1508621820;trinque;this one will shortly be sent.
1727481;1508621826;mircea_popescu;a kk
1727482;1508623440;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1727483;1508623443;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GSlMH/?raw=true
1727484;1508623492;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ztZSU/?raw=true
1727485;1508623564;*;trinque will apparently be looking for a different qr code reader.
1727486;1508623577;trinque;got garbage results before unplug/replug
1727487;1508623852;mircea_popescu;sexylucy ya esta, 004c25d4506c8c20fbf490cab13f7c26a6b69ffc4486cbfa4eb383f63d335199
1727488;1508623951;shinohai;!!up sexylucy
1727489;1508623952;deedbot;sexylucy voiced for 30 minutes.
1727490;1508623989;sexylucy;muchas gracias
1727491;1508624011;shinohai;!~blocks
1727492;1508624012;jhvh1;shinohai: 491030
1727493;1508624237;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/blow-up/ << Trilema - Blow-up
1727494;1508624980;hanbot;say trinque is mp's latest pay incoming? my balance shows 0.0, and i'ma try to make a non-wot payment before you skedaddle
1727495;1508626221;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Those terms are very agreeable
1727496;1508626522;mircea_popescu;what was it
1727497;1508626529;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1727498;1508626536;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6075.84, vol: 15633.08986228 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6072.8, vol: 53250.65449833 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6092.9, vol: 4440.14385487 | Volume-weighted last average: 6074.66530595
1727499;1508626553;mircea_popescu;!!pay 1 BingoBoingo
1727500;1508626556;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VekjS/?raw=true
1727501;1508627163;mircea_popescu;!!deposit 10
1727502;1508627167;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KcyJo/?raw=true
1727503;1508627857;shinohai;!!divert 1 acoount-of-shinohai
1727504;1508627938;BingoBoingo;!!balance
1727505;1508627942;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zaJuv/?raw=true
1727506;1508627961;mircea_popescu;and in other sleeping beauties, http://78.media.tumblr.com/6f6be14cf7c7259bc7dbc8dd27cf49e4/tumblr_nn6ys0mH8j1rw5um0o1_1280.jpg
1727507;1508627996;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo publish monthly reports of your adventure.
1727508;1508628050;*;BingoBoingo assumes that part was assumed. Anyways, this week's task: Solicitors and company making.
1727509;1508628069;mircea_popescu;cool.
1727510;1508628221;BingoBoingo;And mebbe a server, but mostly exploration in birthing an Ltda
1727511;1508628395;mircea_popescu;and here's some lulz for asciilifeform's private "art ownerhsip" collection : femme nue couchee, a courbet knockoff of the maja desnuda goya painting was looted in 45 by the soviets, who displayed it in the manner of truckers, which is to say on a truck tarpaulin. the item was thought lost, but it surfaced in 2000. the owner (possession is 100% of the law!) was accused of being unfit for ownership, as he happened to be slovak
1727512;1508628396;mircea_popescu;, notwithstanding he had proofs (but did he have proof those proofs were proofing ?!?!). in the end, after a lot of back and forth between various government agencies, they paid him 300k, "acquired" it (legally, of course, what usg steals is legally acquired, what slovak antique dealer owns is "mafia involvement") and then proceeded to sell it at auction. for ... 15.3mn.
1727513;1508628417;mircea_popescu;needless to say, no portion of the "added value" of 15mn was injust enrichment, or taken from them to be returned to the rightful slovak owner.
1727514;1508628419;shinohai;"The BingoBoingo whoreticulture centre, LLC"
1727515;1508628430;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing << CH - FUCKGOATS testing
1727516;1508628932;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1.2*2**20 / 7.3
1727517;1508628933;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1.2*2**20 / 7.3 = 172368.65753424657
1727518;1508628972;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Nah, gotta be something that stands out in the Registry once we own some IP space.
1727519;1508629040;shinohai;Neat post ben_vulpes
1727520;1508629056;*;shinohai now desires fuckgoats 10x moar
1727521;1508629162;shinohai;In other lulz: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/segwit2x/#charts
1727522;1508629631;ben_vulpes;ty shinohai
1727523;1508629921;BingoBoingo;In readings so far, Brazialian "entrepreneur's visa" once business making process is started takes 150,000 Reals deposited (i.e. first year's rack rent) in bank with plan filed to hire two employees or 600,000 Reals deposited to waive hiring plan requirement. Actual incorporation far less. Hong Kong still has a week to make a final push.
1727524;1508630818;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo from experience nobody gives a flying fuck about visas in this part of the world.
1727525;1508630912;BingoBoingo;That's the suspicion, but still likely useful as part of journey to second passport
1727526;1508630960;BingoBoingo;Or I guess there's the finding a girl to marry route, but then I forfeit my dissident license.
1727527;1508631125;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: d'you want to talk to the guys i spoke to in hk?
1727528;1508631300;ben_vulpes;i'd rather get back to profiling mpfhf than marketing a cabinet
1727529;1508631845;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: THeir contact info wouldn't hurt. Anyways the trade off is warehousing the meat in Brazil is less expensive while starting a business in HK is a two hour online form. It still would not hurt at all to have a VulpesISP even with a BingoISP
1727530;1508632259;BingoBoingo;Brb, sobertime
1727531;1508632413;ben_vulpes;perhaps my estimates are bad but i'm also having trouble make the thing pencil out to not-a-flaming-hole-in-my-own-pocket
1727532;1508632456;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes did you publish that anywehre ?
1727533;1508632549;ben_vulpes;no, but i could type it up
1727534;1508632590;ben_vulpes;would appreciate some more experienced eyes on it for sure
1727535;1508632652;*;mod6 raises a glass to the 3rd anniversary of The Bitcoin Foundation
1727536;1508632658;mircea_popescu;hear heare
1727537;1508632776;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727478 << other way around
1727538;1508632776;a111;Logged on 2017-10-21 21:36 mircea_popescu: !!pay 0.1 hanbot
1727539;1508632786;trinque;if the bot doesn't give an affirmative reply, it didn't do anything
1727540;1508632791;mircea_popescu;hm.
1727541;1508632809;mircea_popescu;trinque could this actually be changed to match the format of all others ? iirc it's amt dest for withdraw etc.
1727542;1508632956;trinque;yeah, isn't uniform is it. I can change invoice and pay to match withdraw.
1727543;1508632977;mircea_popescu;i think amt first is better, so yeah.
1727544;1508632985;mircea_popescu;should i re-do this in the current format for now ?
1727545;1508633039;trinque;yep if hanbot wanted me to send some txn tonight, better off. I might not find time to change the code this evening.
1727546;1508633051;mircea_popescu;kk.
1727547;1508633059;mircea_popescu;!!pay hanbot 0.1
1727548;1508633063;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eO8Hi/?raw=true
1727549;1508633218;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727535   <<< Cheers mod6 !   [~]D
1727550;1508633218;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 00:37 mod6 raises a glass to the 3rd anniversary of The Bitcoin Foundation
1727551;1508633234;mod6;Salud!
1727552;1508633357;mircea_popescu;hanbot shoudl be done now
1727553;1508633504;hanbot;!!balance
1727554;1508633507;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XUJkJ/?raw=true
1727555;1508633533;hanbot;aha cool
1727556;1508633567;shinohai;!!balance
1727557;1508633571;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cwrzc/?raw=true
1727558;1508633601;shinohai;ghehehe
1727559;1508633812;hanbot;!!withdraw .001896 1KvoD4BCQyQ9qJ6PrUgnqB8y28wcnULs7j
1727560;1508633816;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8DqIr/?raw=true
1727561;1508633833;mod6;this thing is pretty sweet huh
1727562;1508633938;hanbot;!!v 5E10A5E30A1F746A48E73EC6E06074B08AC98BECF8D1E414DCD91BC0A954890A
1727563;1508633943;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jbfg8/?raw=true
1727564;1508633955;hanbot;trinque can put in the deedbot help html?
1727565;1508633962;hanbot;the !!v i mean.
1727566;1508633990;trinque;it's in there, not clear?
1727567;1508634157;hanbot;Performs the previously requested command associated with the decrypted `otp`. << nah, actually, i think that's fine.
1727568;1508634180;hanbot;dunno why i expected to have to use a different letter
1727569;1508634186;hanbot;anyway, very cool itam.
1727570;1508634306;hanbot;trinque that withdraw was a bitpay thingie with 3mins left on the clock fwiw.
1727571;1508634614;trinque;hm, possible it didn't get there in time then. I just dispatched it.
1727572;1508634625;trinque;I think I've told everyone by now that this is a by hand process. I dunno that I'd use it for that.
1727573;1508634630;trinque;how long do they usually give you?
1727574;1508634674;hanbot;15 mins. anyway, they credited it, should be fine and dandy
1727575;1508634726;trinque;15min til they see the unconfirmed?
1727576;1508634911;hanbot;15 mins is what they give you "to pay" in their idiotic bleeping red timer interface. it "ran out" in this instance, but they still see the tx afterwards and credit it
1727577;1508634939;trinque;super dumb.
1727578;1508634941;hanbot;i don't know what the actual time threshold is tbh. clearly longer than 15 mins tho.
1727579;1508634972;trinque;at any rate there'll before too long be a limited hot wallet on this thing people can subscribe to for automatic txn
1727580;1508634977;trinque;just gonna take time
1727581;1508635049;hanbot;neato, and greatly appreciated thus far.
1727582;1508635572;shinohai;Heh, Dogecoin creator now advising new scam: https://synapse.ai/
1727583;1508635716;deedbot;hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ylkAw/?raw=true
1727584;1508635882;ben_vulpes;!~later tell mircea_popescu probably hare-brained in all sorts of ways, but this is the result of my pencilwork: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xyOoP/?raw=true
1727585;1508635882;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
1727586;1508635896;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo any thoughts on ^^?
1727587;1508645067;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/michelangelo-antonioni-ce-un-imbecille-che-non-hai-altro/ << Trilema - Michelangelo Antonioni c'e un imbecille che non hai altro.
1727588;1508649313;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727577 << can't imagine why they designed it this way, but ~everyone does, coinbase, mycellium, coin-something else.
1727589;1508649313;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 01:15 trinque: super dumb.
1727590;1508649327;mircea_popescu;the god of magic numbers gave them the 900 second and they're sticking ot it!
1727591;1508649404;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes a) you're not going to make money renting space as such. this wasn't even in the original design, i've nfi why you added it in.
1727592;1508649450;mircea_popescu;b) you're not going to charge 1k/mo for any servers, don't be ridiculous. you're going to pay 500-2k to buy the server, and then rent it out for the usual 2x the fixed cost.
1727593;1508649545;mircea_popescu;your 42 u full rack takes 40 boxes, optimized so they pull say 150-200 W on average. that'll keep you out of power overages 99% of the time.
1727594;1508649557;mircea_popescu;they cost you about 50k to buy, and the rack will run you about 50k for a year. that means your yearly budget is about 100k, roughly.
1727595;1508649572;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1e5 / 40 / 12
1727596;1508649576;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1e5 / 40 / 12 = 208.33333333333331
1727597;1508649656;BingoBoingo;!!balance
1727598;1508649658;mircea_popescu;your cost basis is ~200 per server. you can rent them for 3-400 as such, or can give out vpsen, which are more productive. perhaps even "shared" if particularily interested into it.
1727599;1508649660;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zTdmb/?raw=true
1727600;1508649683;mircea_popescu;these take more work, and consequently provide more revenue.
1727601;1508649781;mircea_popescu;after the first year your machines are amortized and your downline built, so you're looking at some decent net margin. before the first year you're burdened by the capital costs and stuck with low occupancy, so you bleed cash.
1727602;1508649784;mircea_popescu;that's ~the story.
1727603;1508649947;mircea_popescu;what separates the men from the children is that one year, and whether at the end of it you're green or not.
1727604;1508651039;mircea_popescu;and in other determined & disciplined ladies, http://78.media.tumblr.com/59e2abb30065155f37a61619912ee9f6/tumblr_nlpa1fx6kq1u65br0o1_400.gif
1727605;1508651371;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> they cost you about 50k to buy, and the rack will run you about 50k for a year. that means your yearly budget is about 100k, roughly. << This is roughly my impression. 50k colorent, 40-70k-ish hardware, 35-ish k physical presence so as to walk to servers, 2k birthing company, 5k retainers, 100k prudent reserve (In case of Best Korea, Intifada, meteor storm, Pelosi). Rent boxes out for ~2x cost basis (all in, not board so
1727606;1508651371;BingoBoingo; PCENGINES APU not so cheap), VPS 3x+ cost basis. Misc weird (i.e. hand courier and colo 32 bit SPARC machine) billed in proportion to time they take from providing excellent customer service and 2x cost basis for livng space.
1727607;1508651396;BingoBoingo;But this week is about refining that to more concrete figure.
1727608;1508651610;BingoBoingo;But 25-30k/month by month 18 is goal
1727609;1508651760;BingoBoingo;gross receipts
1727610;1508651825;mircea_popescu;well it's good to have goals in any case.
1727611;1508652019;BingoBoingo;Well goal more honest than US retail label of "plan"
1727612;1508652114;BingoBoingo;Also it seems the deedbutt payment hasn't gone through yet.
1727613;1508652126;mircea_popescu;ugh.
1727614;1508652146;mircea_popescu;my bad, i had it wrong for both of you.
1727615;1508652148;BingoBoingo;Not to address, but to deedbutt wallet
1727616;1508652151;BingoBoingo;ah
1727617;1508652162;mircea_popescu;!!pay BingoBoingo 1
1727618;1508652166;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MbTb3/?raw=true
1727619;1508652385;mircea_popescu;and in other unexpected news, http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion/2017/10/the-point-of-nuclear-weaponsfrom-a-uk-citizens-standpoint-2459684.html
1727620;1508652546;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo done nao.
1727621;1508652563;hanbot; Even the once unknown Mircea Popescu is now making waves with his blog. << lmfao, "it's not plagiarism if you throw a name in there entirely out of context!!1"
1727622;1508652629;BingoBoingo;Ah, ty
1727623;1508652633;BingoBoingo;!!balance
1727624;1508652636;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tJUgR/?raw=true
1727625;1508653424;BingoBoingo;!!~ticker --market all
1727626;1508653587;mod6;<+hanbot>  Even the once unknown Mircea Popescu is now making waves with his blog. << lmfao, "it's not plagiarism if you throw a name in there entirely out of context!!1" << yeah, srsly.
1727627;1508654493;BingoBoingo;Anyways, my impression of the business is that its like farming, except customer service is a thing.
1727628;1508654626;BingoBoingo;Occasionally there's big moves, none bigger than starting out. Everything else is consistency at every size.
1727629;1508656242;mircea_popescu;possibru.
1727630;1508663433;*;asciilifeform waves from sunny orcistan
1727631;1508663510;asciilifeform;so far mind blown with amazing phoodz for cost of old chewed tyre back in usgistan
1727632;1508663634;asciilifeform;sads include the piles of ads in english everywhere
1727633;1508667859;asciilifeform;omfg hotel has a SHOEHORN
1727634;1508672460;asciilifeform;meanwhile, asciilifeform had best coffee since c3; for < cost of a toiletpaper in usa
1727635;1508672527;asciilifeform;and, asciilifeform to pet : ‘look where yer going, or thou shalt surely fall into a pit’ pet: nya < then proceeds promptly to fall into small pit > argh
1727636;1508673382;asciilifeform;just the sights alone in the town — pant-creaming ; esp the gurlz
1727637;1508675014;BingoBoingo;!!Up nikopo1
1727638;1508675014;deedbot;nikopo1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1727639;1508675031;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Watch out for pits yourself. Also, how are the toilets?
1727640;1508679199;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: perfect
1727641;1508679204;asciilifeform;with bidet no less
1727642;1508679232;asciilifeform;but nao i found a train station boarded up and with 1980s trains still on the rails...
1727643;1508679296;shinohai;Ooh old trainz in abandoned stations would make neat photoset
1727644;1508679301;shinohai;Also gm #trilema
1727645;1508684030;asciilifeform;aaalso nobody sells bottlekey, asciilifeform had to use... fence spike
1727646;1508684052;asciilifeform;aaalso why are there signs warning of buried ~oxygen~ pipes !
1727647;1508684059;asciilifeform;cautioning not to grease.
1727648;1508685257;mircea_popescu;!!rate BHopkins -1 ineffectual dork with delusions of self-independence and whatnot. see also http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
1727649;1508685260;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/T139j/?raw=true
1727650;1508685591;shinohai;I'm beginning to think people that randomly receive full integer Bitcoins from mircea_popescu get cursed.
1727651;1508685648;mircea_popescu;rather, they were cursed with stupid to begin with, and had so far lived in a sort of environment where it had been carefully made inpossible to prove it.
1727652;1508685723;mircea_popescu;but the curse of stupid is amply distributed and heavy indeed. consider : for the past THREE YEARS i have been giving ANY WOMAN IN THE WORLD hundreds of dollars. this is more than ANY "organization" ever did for the women in this world, be it something from usg.alphabet, or usg.un bureaucracy or anyone else.
1727653;1508685737;mircea_popescu;but the needy women themselves have carefully worked together to avoid being halped.
1727654;1508685769;mircea_popescu;mark twain has a bit about how every whore in the west hit up john smith for alms whenever.
1727655;1508685791;mircea_popescu;john smith is jack shit, the west didn't hold 4 bn women in 1860.
1727656;1508686078;shinohai;Bwahaha those "A girl online  " comments in that article are so lulzy
1727657;1508686394;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1727658;1508686969;*;asciilifeform in grocery shop, buying THREE types of sprat
1727659;1508686976;mircea_popescu;lmao
1727660;1508686981;mircea_popescu;are you having fun alf ?
1727661;1508687030;asciilifeform;pantcreaming
1727662;1508687038;asciilifeform;wishing i could move..
1727663;1508687198;mircea_popescu;so what's to keep you.
1727664;1508687343;asciilifeform;moolaah
1727665;1508687384;mircea_popescu;heh.
1727666;1508687435;asciilifeform;0 else
1727667;1508687464;asciilifeform;nobody needs an asciilifeform here feranything
1727668;1508687470;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727639 << loller.
1727669;1508687470;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 12:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Watch out for pits yourself. Also, how are the toilets?
1727670;1508687481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you like it there you'd prolly luv odessa.
1727671;1508687486;asciilifeform;otherwise would be already buyin one of them cheap roofless palaces
1727672;1508687488;asciilifeform;loller
1727673;1508687491;mircea_popescu;better girls, better food, imo.
1727674;1508687511;asciilifeform;i fuckigcantstand ukrs tho
1727675;1508687537;mircea_popescu;why ? tall, lithe. no tits and mostly absent ass, but hey, can't have errything.
1727676;1508687569;asciilifeform;i luvv the $cuntry gurlz
1727677;1508687584;asciilifeform;even pet agrees
1727678;1508687627;mircea_popescu;so then get one.
1727679;1508687656;asciilifeform;i’d get an everything here if could
1727680;1508687689;mircea_popescu;so what's keeping you ? go up to whichever looks best and say "hey, we'd like to take you in for a pet."
1727681;1508687763;asciilifeform;lol
1727682;1508687763;mircea_popescu;sure as fuck beats "raising" a dog ; and i can readily understand one not wanting to go through genital roulette at the cost of an irreplaceable decade and a reasonably rare million.
1727683;1508687779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wut ?
1727684;1508687851;asciilifeform;can’t picture them wanting to go back to goatfuckistan where asciilifeform calls home
1727685;1508687860;mircea_popescu;never mind that.
1727686;1508687870;asciilifeform;and currently insufficing $lang-fu of asciilifeform
1727687;1508687886;mircea_popescu;they can make their own decisions when it's their time to talk. take life one day at a time, can feed and pet your new pet today.
1727688;1508687890;asciilifeform;will have to be tried on next expedition
1727689;1508687895;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ask in english, what.
1727690;1508687899;asciilifeform;ugh
1727691;1508687902;mircea_popescu;if they don't speak it who wants them for a pet anyway.
1727692;1508687915;*;asciilifeform working hard to keep his heathenry a seekrit
1727693;1508687923;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha.
1727694;1508687923;asciilifeform;so far mixed result
1727695;1508687931;mircea_popescu;0 result, just you can't tell mixed of the time.
1727696;1508687950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu prolly nails it
1727697;1508687991;asciilifeform;i aint even dressed properly
1727698;1508687996;mircea_popescu;our conversation today has distilled a golden bible of happy pet-taking. it goes like so : rule #1, do not presume to take decisions for the animal, it's capable for itself. rule #2, do not presume to put up a show for the animal, its sense of smell is fine by nature.
1727699;1508688012;mircea_popescu;rule #3, ask her.
1727700;1508688022;asciilifeform;hmmm
1727701;1508688048;*;asciilifeform brb, partaking of marvels of civilizedworld
1727702;1508688055;mircea_popescu;enjoi
1727703;1508688407;mircea_popescu;!!up jawbone
1727704;1508688408;deedbot;jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
1727705;1508688542;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727646 << wut ?! lol.
1727706;1508688542;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 14:54 asciilifeform: aaalso why are there signs warning of buried ~oxygen~ pipes !
1727707;1508689700;asciilifeform;i got picz!!
1727708;1508689762;diana_coman;!!v 70E0D6D289568E9DA00A34BDB09376F67BECE9A0CCE40F0E82EEF02F1234F5C2
1727709;1508689762;deedbot;diana_coman rated asciilifeform 5 << His kindergarten is better than your university. Also: producer of sane and reliable fuckgoats, horsecocks and lamport parachutes among other useful items.
1727710;1508689939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lessee ?
1727711;1508690063;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : after failing to produce any footage anyone can be arsed to watch for 20 years running,. hollywood is finally being abandoned to the sufragette politruk brigade. as a result, amusing pieces like the discovery that jenniffer "nature itself is angry at trump" lawrence got her pussy grabbed by anyone and everyone, including momentary famous kulak harvey weinstein. AND LIKE IT. because yes, she's exactly what
1727712;1508690064;mircea_popescu;she is, pussygrabbable talent.
1727713;1508690100;mircea_popescu;the lulz via https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/10/10/author-and-journo-nukes-hollywood-on-weinstein-all-these-leftist-actresses-expressing-shock-are-lying/ which turns out to be a rather large community blog thing, on occasdion not even terrible.
1727714;1508690827;asciilifeform;i’ma post laters
1727715;1508692078;asciilifeform;mmm unspeakable phoods
1727716;1508692095;asciilifeform;btw folx mircea_popescu knows where asciilifeform went
1727717;1508692333;mircea_popescu;(for the curious : the weinstein brothers were instrumental in independent film even existing in the us, through founding miramax and inventing sundance. uneasy relationship with pantsuit exploded in early 2010s, over michael moore's complaining that tribute's insufficient ; this after the inane pantsuitist idiocy of forrest gump was given pulp ficiton's oscar.)
1727718;1508695175;asciilifeform;mmm duck with 0 shitcornsyrops!
1727719;1508695205;asciilifeform;and for what a mccoffee costs in old blighted usg shitlands
1727720;1508695864;ben_vulpes;whoa where in usgstan do they serve duck with faux syrup
1727721;1508695971;mircea_popescu;in alf's world.
1727722;1508696051;ben_vulpes;in my corner of hell sets of folks who eat duck and corn syrup are disjoint
1727723;1508697689;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/untrue-story/ << Trilema - Untrue story
1727724;1508698276;*;asciilifeform and pet sit on iron thrones in main square and kibitz re moving here
1727725;1508698628;*;ben_vulpes very curious about this here
1727726;1508698773;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu ! there ain’t any bums! where are the bums, where the barf ?!
1727727;1508698781;asciilifeform;none here ...
1727728;1508698787;mircea_popescu;what barf is htis ?
1727729;1508698817;asciilifeform;in washington dc bums on all benches, even ones with spikes
1727730;1508698841;mircea_popescu;i am not responsible to explain why ustardianism is eccentric / not found outside of the ustard reservation.
1727731;1508698850;asciilifeform;whereas here many benches, some that could seat a platoon, 0 bumz
1727732;1508698884;*;asciilifeform off to obtain delish caek 
1727733;1508700255;asciilifeform;mmm, caek, cognac
1727734;1508704103;asciilifeform;holyfuq, parks open even after sundown
1727735;1508704665;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727733 << lmao this guy.
1727736;1508704665;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 19:24 asciilifeform: mmm, caek, cognac
1727737;1508705323;asciilifeform;afaik nothing like this exists in usa, not even for 5-10x the moolah
1727738;1508705340;mircea_popescu;nothing exists in the usa ; including any moolah.
1727739;1508705349;asciilifeform;pet nearly cummed in pants eating it
1727740;1508705626;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727722 << you’d be surprised at what’s ~really~ in ultra-mega-premium usa restaurant phood, ben_vulpes
1727741;1508705626;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 18:14 ben_vulpes: in my corner of hell sets of folks who eat duck and corn syrup are disjoint
1727742;1508705638;mircea_popescu;!#s sysco
1727743;1508705639;a111;6 results for "sysco", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sysco
1727744;1508705645;asciilifeform;aha it
1727745;1508705651;asciilifeform;syscolade
1727746;1508705672;mircea_popescu;there's maybe a dozen or so restaurants in the us, and im pretty sure they're not open to the public other than because they're 19 and "male pig" invited them
1727747;1508705851;asciilifeform;asciilifeform unsurprisingly cannot comment re these - dark matter
1727748;1508706036;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is right tho, the places in usa open to public, will happily take in arbitrarily thick wad of green, and giveya syscolade.
1727749;1508706115;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7SJSraQgcY in other us cuisine.
1727750;1508706153;asciilifeform;in other phoods, there is a ru-ism re people emigrating to usa ‘for 50 types of sausage’. but in usa the 50 sausages are mysterymeat. here - actual; they gave samples...
1727751;1508706201;mircea_popescu;didja find leberwurst yet ?
1727752;1508706220;asciilifeform;found, not bought yet
1727753;1508706248;asciilifeform;trying to not become too addicted
1727754;1508706308;asciilifeform;reacclimating to ye olde gulag will be hardenuff as it is
1727755;1508706666;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727598 << pcengines ftr costs <200bux (sans disk), draws ~10w, and much spiffier for any practical use than vps
1727756;1508706666;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 05:20 mircea_popescu: your cost basis is ~200 per server. you can rent them for 3-400 as such, or can give out vpsen, which are more productive. perhaps even "shared" if particularily interested into it.
1727757;1508706686;asciilifeform;and physically possible to put 8+ of’em in 1u
1727758;1508706691;mircea_popescu;you can't market vps as 1 to the U.
1727759;1508706715;mircea_popescu;maybe like that, though surprises may crop up.
1727760;1508706734;asciilifeform;i’ma make a pilot of it at some point soon
1727761;1508706744;asciilifeform;try at max load
1727762;1508706753;asciilifeform;at various temps
1727763;1508706767;asciilifeform;with forced air, without. etc
1727764;1508706801;asciilifeform;at one time i designed a pcengine-holder for a cancelled commercial proj
1727765;1508706834;asciilifeform;they are very easy to mount, 4 drill hole and 12v dc
1727766;1508706856;asciilifeform;heat spreader was the slightly tricky bit
1727767;1508706894;asciilifeform;i like that this board has public schematic.
1727768;1508706919;*;asciilifeform only knows 1 other x64 board with schems: ‘gizmo’
1727769;1508706968;asciilifeform;i also! have firmware builder honed for these
1727770;1508706982;asciilifeform;can compile custom payloads etc
1727771;1508707006;asciilifeform;boot straight into get-os-over-nic or the like.
1727772;1508707072;mircea_popescu;mebbe worth actually trying one, see how it goes.
1727773;1508707079;asciilifeform;in other reportage from orcvalhalla: there are as many mini-casinos here as banks.
1727774;1508707097;mircea_popescu;poker ?
1727775;1508707113;asciilifeform;poker, pseudopoker, bandit ...
1727776;1508707123;asciilifeform;even a roulette
1727777;1508707138;asciilifeform;( faux, electric )
1727778;1508707141;mircea_popescu;um. really ? during the daytime ?! how many people ?
1727779;1508707142;mircea_popescu;oh.
1727780;1508707159;asciilifeform;robocasino
1727781;1508707183;mircea_popescu;meh.
1727782;1508707189;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc trinque is running some infrastructure on pcengine even nao
1727783;1508707206;*;asciilifeform not much into casinoism 
1727784;1508707335;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727535 << congrats mod
1727785;1508707335;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 00:37 mod6 raises a glass to the 3rd anniversary of The Bitcoin Foundation
1727786;1508707340;asciilifeform;mod6 et al
1727787;1508707403;asciilifeform;after release ‘p’, i’ma return to civilized-btctronics among other wurk
1727788;1508707427;asciilifeform;ffatronic btcsigtron wouldn’t hurt also
1727789;1508707589;asciilifeform;in other amazements, asciilifeform’s eternal allergy stops in these lands almost straight from the plane, can breathe like anybody
1727790;1508707614;asciilifeform;i bet it’s the syscolade absence or similar
1727791;1508707727;*;asciilifeform wonders if folx other than mircea_popescu are yet ready to solve riddle, of where did asciilifeform go.
1727792;1508707780;asciilifeform;riddle inspired by the classic where-is-mp game from earlier thread
1727793;1508707840;mircea_popescu;lol
1727794;1508707865;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other honest day's work, http://78.media.tumblr.com/87815e8763030d25eab40f7a397320ee/tumblr_n3ewekRzNF1rj4efco1_400.gif
1727795;1508707984;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727606 << lol sparc why wouldja do that to yerself
1727796;1508707984;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 05:49 BingoBoingo:  PCENGINES APU not so cheap), VPS 3x+ cost basis. Misc weird (i.e. hand courier and colo 32 bit SPARC machine) billed in proportion to time they take from providing excellent customer service and 2x cost basis for livng space.
1727797;1508708130;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727650 >> asciilifeform at one time got one! but escaped the curse! ( how: sent it back, nyahaha )
1727798;1508708130;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 15:19 shinohai: I'm beginning to think people that randomly receive full integer Bitcoins from mircea_popescu get cursed.
1727799;1508708150;shinohai;lol
1727800;1508708154;asciilifeform;with interest
1727801;1508708188;shinohai;If BingoBoingo gets cursed I'll be sad :(
1727802;1508708188;asciilifeform;( see asciilifeform’s www , 2nd artic iirc in ‘bitcoinism’ cat. )
1727803;1508708210;mircea_popescu;multiple people, perhaps most notably publicly known case, http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/
1727804;1508708218;mircea_popescu;but really, there's dozen+.
1727805;1508708259;asciilifeform;how many cuntless folx
1727806;1508708273;mircea_popescu;a few of those too.
1727807;1508708324;shinohai;That looks suspiciously like Girl Fawksey
1727808;1508708336;mircea_popescu;ineptitude and idiocy are present, yes, but not really teh norm.
1727809;1508708481;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727709 << why ty diana_coman !
1727810;1508708481;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 16:29 deedbot: diana_coman rated asciilifeform 5 << His kindergarten is better than your university. Also: producer of sane and reliable fuckgoats, horsecocks and lamport parachutes among other useful items.
1727811;1508708550;asciilifeform;also erlehmann wrote in, says he wrote a parachute himself , http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/lamport-parachute-sh.html
1727812;1508708598;asciilifeform;i dunno why he found mine ‘convoluted’ tho
1727813;1508708608;asciilifeform;i find his - a harder nut
1727814;1508708651;mircea_popescu;code, easier to write than read.
1727815;1508708684;asciilifeform;imho mine was quite readable
1727816;1508708698;mod6;<+asciilifeform> after release 'p', i'ma return to civilized-btctronics among other wurk << cool, right on.
1727817;1508708712;shinohai;I did not change asciilifeform 's functions at all, it was readable as is. I simply combined all the functions into a single script xD
1727818;1508708737;asciilifeform;i recall
1727819;1508708765;shinohai;If it ain't broke, why fix it? (tm)
1727820;1508708792;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ffa is example of very painful to write, but intended to be a breeze to read, workpiece
1727821;1508708796;mod6;<+asciilifeform> imho mine was quite readable << i never had any problem.
1727822;1508709576;asciilifeform;in other holyfuqs: hotelshower has A HOSE
1727823;1508709632;shinohai;Useful for hosing down pet after feeding her caek and cognac perhaps?
1727824;1508709633;asciilifeform;( in usa these are ~unknown, the one in asciilifeform’s house he brings himself to every new digs )
1727825;1508709645;asciilifeform;shinohai: that’s bidet
1727826;1508709804;mod6;<+asciilifeform> in other holyfuqs: hotelshower has A HOSE << like a garden hose?
1727827;1508709824;asciilifeform;erlehmann also wrote in re that lamport parachute is neat because can be fired using only paper. which is indeed tru, and quite neat in situation that calls for parachuting.
1727828;1508709833;asciilifeform;mod6: like shower hose
1727829;1508709860;asciilifeform;y’know , like civilized folx have, wash yer arse without somersaults
1727830;1508709887;mod6;ah
1727831;1508709892;mod6;gotcha
1727832;1508712304;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> If BingoBoingo gets cursed I'll be sad :( << Not the first time having recieved coin from MP
1727833;1508712359;shinohai;Good, that means you are immune
1727834;1508712434;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727598 << pcengines ftr costs <200bux (sans disk), draws ~10w, and much spiffier for any practical use than vps << AHA, but it feeds same market segment. The thing about cheap boards is people can forget the other things that go into being a machine like casing, etc
1727835;1508712434;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 05:20 mircea_popescu: your cost basis is ~200 per server. you can rent them for 3-400 as such, or can give out vpsen, which are more productive. perhaps even "shared" if particularily interested into it.
1727836;1508712532;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> in other reportage from orcvalhalla: there are as many mini-casinos here as banks. << 5 years ago here in Southern Illinois there were few of these, now in most bars and a good chunk of gas stations. Even a few freestanding ones.
1727837;1508712536;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fivebux of sheet iron could house 8
1727838;1508712572;BingoBoingo;I am interested in this layout.
1727839;1508712583;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not bars here, but entire gambling-dens with nought but dedicated лохотронs
1727840;1508712910;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727791 << this whole time I figured I just missed something in the logs
1727841;1508712910;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 21:28 asciilifeform wonders if folx other than mircea_popescu are yet ready to solve riddle, of where did asciilifeform go.
1727842;1508712931;asciilifeform;nope lobbes
1727843;1508712935;asciilifeform;not missed
1727844;1508712975;asciilifeform;asciilifeform went to an orcistan to do a necessary thing but also catching lulz along the way
1727845;1508713120;*;asciilifeform walked easily 25km today
1727846;1508713166;asciilifeform;and the air, did i mention, smells great
1727847;1508713351;*;asciilifeform bbl
1727848;1508713396;mod6;nice. enjoy
1727849;1508713431;lobbes;Hm. Good air. quality coffee for < price of us toilet paper. Mini-casinos abound. The clues mount
1727850;1508713477;mod6;holes in street
1727851;1508713515;shinohai;He's in New Jersey xD
1727852;1508713555;mod6;ll
1727853;1508713559;mod6;+o
1727854;1508713571;lobbes;L0l. That fresh jersey air
1727855;1508713790;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2017/untrue-story/#comment-123275 << i suspect that asciilifeform’s folx abused the word . yes it typically refers to entrances
1727856;1508713836;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727851 << lol!!
1727857;1508713836;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 23:05 shinohai: He's in New Jersey xD
1727858;1508713859;asciilifeform;you couldn’t pay me to live in nj
1727859;1508713884;mircea_popescu;why ? all the hot babes on jersey shore...
1727860;1508713909;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1727861;1508713913;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2sDDA/?raw=true
1727862;1508713950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do they keep’em in same bunker as the seekrit nonsysco restaurants ?
1727863;1508714024;*;asciilifeform brb, sleep 
1727864;1508714154;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: not bars here, but entire gambling-dens with nought but dedicated лохотронs << There are a few of those popping up too.
1727865;1508714182;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Didja end up in the Dontesk republic?
1727866;1508715347;BingoBoingo;Anyways pcengines is not proposed VPS host, but proposed VPS alternative
1727867;1508716165;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-socialists-pretending-to-relevancy/ << Trilema - The socialists pretending to relevancy
1727868;1508725237;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1727869;1508725243;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5986.21, vol: 12239.10554141 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5986.0, vol: 49130.50024663 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6012.8, vol: 3168.24271521 | Volume-weighted last average: 5987.35546999
1727870;1508731639;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/22/a-few-alternatives-to-interesting/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A few alternatives to interesting.
1727871;1508733158;BingoBoingo;!!Up Raven_Zero
1727872;1508733158;deedbot;Raven_Zero voiced for 30 minutes.
1727873;1508733166;BingoBoingo;Welcome back Mr Creative
1727874;1508733229;Raven_Zero;Thanks for voicing me..though I just want to find out why I need to be here..by looking at your conversations..
1727875;1508733663;BingoBoingo;Well to figure that out, Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1727876;1508733698;BingoBoingo;In other research, the Opteron 6128 is looking like quite the beefcake
1727877;1508733794;Raven_Zero;.../whoisyourdaddy
1727878;1508734290;Raven_Zero;!! register test
1727879;1508734301;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/22/japanese-vcr-vs-old-fashioned/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Japanese VCR vs. Old Fashioned
1727880;1508735443;BingoBoingo;In other numbers hitting the inbox, an IP Transit price: "After checking in details, the IP transit (1G Global Internet Access) is around HKD310,000/m. It is provided by PCCW Global. 24 months contract is required."
1727881;1508735683;BingoBoingo;In alt orc tokens that's ~40k
1727882;1508736816;mircea_popescu;!~later tell raven_zero see http://deedbot.org/help.html
1727883;1508736816;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1727884;1508767291;shinohai;!~blocks
1727885;1508767293;jhvh1;shinohai: 491325
1727886;1508774022;mod6;mornin'
1727887;1508774294;*;shinohai waves to mod6
1727888;1508775591;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/YMbU8/?raw=true
1727889;1508775591;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1727890;1508775697;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727865 << lol BingoBoingo ! how would i have a thread like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727689 if i went to that shithole ?
1727891;1508775697;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 23:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Didja end up in the Dontesk republic?
1727892;1508775697;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 15:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask in english, what.
1727893;1508775751;asciilifeform;and it's donetsk lol
1727894;1508775755;asciilifeform;but no.
1727895;1508776739;*;shinohai prefers the `Donktest` Republic .... http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/ass48.jpg
1727896;1508776785;shinohai;Passed all tests
1727897;1508777648;diana_coman;to recap clues as I see them: orcistan -> poor/undeveloped country; roofless palaces -> warm(ish); abandoned trainstations -> former colony/it was once something; good food + "you'll love Odessa" -> southern style; not enough language-fu -> !USSR; asciilifeform has "things that need to be done there" -> ????? basically this last one is a killer;
1727898;1508777724;diana_coman;if there were any cats mentioned I'd have guessed Turkey!
1727899;1508777807;asciilifeform;not so poor
1727900;1508777872;*;diana_coman adds note to her asciilifeform-glossary
1727901;1508778021;asciilifeform;and i'ma a little surprised that no one solved riddle yet
1727902;1508778286;diana_coman;India?
1727903;1508778308;asciilifeform;nope
1727904;1508778335;asciilifeform;it's an orcistan not a batheinourownshitistan
1727905;1508778359;asciilifeform;and it has pretty gurlz, and proper dairy
1727906;1508778371;asciilifeform;and mighty fine bandwidth
1727907;1508778425;asciilifeform;and mighty fine nearly everything, now that i think about it.
1727908;1508778439;diana_coman;hm, so ..what's *wrong* with it?
1727909;1508778483;asciilifeform;really, nuffin wrong with it, at least not to asciilifeform's naked eye. i'd move immediately if i could.
1727910;1508778488;*;diana_coman is highly suspicious of everything fine
1727911;1508778563;mircea_popescu;diana_coman he's new.
1727912;1508778624;mircea_popescu;!!key ascii_in_orcland
1727913;1508778626;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/76F814216BE3CF14AC31E0993B73837D67163DBA.asc
1727914;1508780054;phf;riddles come with clues, here we're just guessing. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-23#1727897 << i'll add bidet in hotels to this (which are mostly missing even in european hotels)
1727915;1508780054;a111;Logged on 2017-10-23 16:54 diana_coman: to recap clues as I see them: orcistan -> poor/undeveloped country; roofless palaces -> warm(ish); abandoned trainstations -> former colony/it was once something; good food + "you'll love Odessa" -> southern style; not enough language-fu -> !USSR; asciilifeform has "things that need to be done there" -> ????? basically this last one is a killer;
1727916;1508780115;phf;actually, not even that, i'm not sure where i got the bidet from :o
1727917;1508780131;asciilifeform;no no it was mentioned
1727918;1508780143;phf;oh, right, same thread as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727633
1727919;1508780143;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 10:24 asciilifeform: omfg hotel has a SHOEHORN
1727920;1508780200;phf;asciilifeform: it's not a fun game, because there's not any kind of hook to go buy. "great coffee and beautiful women" is not it
1727921;1508780290;phf;but i'll guess it's either spain or croatia
1727922;1508780311;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-23#1727899 << turkey is not poor in any sense.
1727923;1508780311;a111;Logged on 2017-10-23 16:56 asciilifeform: not so poor
1727924;1508780345;phf;i suspect in turkey it would've been "they have bidet in public toilets!"
1727925;1508780352;mircea_popescu;in fact if taken to mission district and sultanahmed, civillian would wrongly decide which is "the capital of the technology world of the future"
1727926;1508780401;mircea_popescu;phf hahaha no such thing. throughout arab world, most of turkey included, the standard toilet includes a water spit pipe ~where the watertrap is. with special fauced accessible whiole seated.
1727927;1508780402;phf; come to think of me both of my guesses are poorer than turkey
1727928;1508780447;mircea_popescu;aha. to reiterate, must visit istanbul, at the very least a weekend, take girl across horn to see the train station the romanians bombed, kebab etc.
1727929;1508780467;asciilifeform;nao if only they let folx with u.s. pasports in'ere
1727930;1508780475;phf;mircea_popescu: i was thinking of those small plastic bottles they leave even when proper water system is not accessible.
1727931;1508780494;asciilifeform;( tr recently banned folx from usa )
1727932;1508780519;mircea_popescu;AND throughout the egypt that i've seen, they to this day have clay pots with water in the shade every quarter mile or so on the road. notwithstanding that yes you can buy bottled water and did i share that pic of the desert dhl ?
1727933;1508780578;phf;asciilifeform: my guess wasn't evaluated!
1727934;1508780587;asciilifeform;negative on both, phf
1727935;1508780602;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-23#1727901 << me too, considering who they're dealing with. but i guess they dunno how to factor the alf into all of it.
1727936;1508780602;a111;Logged on 2017-10-23 17:00 asciilifeform: and i'ma a little surprised that no one solved riddle yet
1727937;1508780659;asciilifeform;i've found it tricky to drop a clue that's a troo clue but doesn't give puzzler away entirely
1727938;1508780676;phf;that's what makes a riddle a riddle
1727939;1508780694;asciilifeform;it's a fun riddle to folx who possibly know a few things re asciilifeform
1727940;1508780781;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-23#1727920 << seems evident like that, costaricaestonia.
1727941;1508780781;a111;Logged on 2017-10-23 17:36 phf: asciilifeform: it's not a fun game, because there's not any kind of hook to go buy. "great coffee and beautiful women" is not it
1727942;1508780791;asciilifeform;lol!
1727943;1508780806;mircea_popescu;or w/e, nicaraguaczech republic
1727944;1508780993;asciilifeform;cocarica, nicorepublic
1727945;1508781003;mircea_popescu;cocarica lmao.
1727946;1508781018;mircea_popescu;co-caricia
1727947;1508781026;asciilifeform;kukareku
1727948;1508781051;mircea_popescu;(carici being yet another way to say cunt in the language entirely made up of ways and means to say cunt)
1727949;1508781069;asciilifeform;btw powerful pigeons here, they do their thing in sync, just like on asciilifeform's homeworld, you can hear from across the street
1727950;1508781081;mircea_popescu;or wait, this actually is dick rather.
1727951;1508781086;mircea_popescu;w/e, SAME DIFFERENCE
1727952;1508781730;diana_coman;phf, ahh, bidet, right; tbh that made me instantly think of Italy and it would fit womenz (if south) but I kind of crossed out EU to start with
1727953;1508782133;asciilifeform;curious, diana_coman , why crossed out
1727954;1508782235;diana_coman;asciilifeform, hm, mainly because basically socialist
1727955;1508782262;asciilifeform;here's another clue, ~0 islam
1727956;1508782803;asciilifeform;oook pics: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/clue1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/clue2.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/clue3.jpg
1727957;1508782809;asciilifeform;^ includes the oblig. airplane shot
1727958;1508782873;shinohai;Is asciilifeform in Switzerland/Lichtenstein ?
1727959;1508782883;asciilifeform;nope.
1727960;1508782891;asciilifeform;though good guess
1727961;1508782936;*;asciilifeform bbl, phood
1727962;1508783028;mircea_popescu;!!~ticker --market all
1727963;1508783032;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1727964;1508783037;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5825.78, vol: 13271.89076764 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5818.1, vol: 58539.93720639 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5834.8, vol: 4063.78115893 | Volume-weighted last average: 5820.33778456
1727965;1508783046;mircea_popescu;!~calc 100 / 5820.33778456
1727966;1508783047;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 100 / 5820.33778456 = 0.01718113341553418
1727967;1508783091;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.01718113 1D5gCE3JkbzUMHQmYkCUhn91Rm4DRfPPJQ
1727968;1508783096;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/L93sk/?raw=true
1727969;1508783946;diana_coman;Hungary??
1727970;1508784720;jurov;mircea_popescu: pls process mpex withdrawal, seems there's also stuck order
1727971;1508784730;mircea_popescu;on it.
1727972;1508784945;mircea_popescu;loller http://www.loper-os.org/pub/clue3.jpg <<->> http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-cultura-vizuala-16/
1727973;1508785461;diana_coman;what, he went to Romania 2nd time and it's waaay better than first?
1727974;1508785855;asciilifeform;loox like we got a winrar folx
1727975;1508787514;mircea_popescu;diana_coman possibly he took his own women with this time, so isn't stuck depending on pot luck.
1727976;1508787666;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's plenty of islam in ro lol. for eg constanta is like 15% sunni.
1727977;1508787691;mircea_popescu;ancient people, too. dobruja muslims are like odessa russians, there before the romanian occupation.
1727978;1508787716;diana_coman;lol; those rubbish bins looked very...Romanian but the "no islam" thing didn't quite fit, hence Hungary seemed more likely
1727979;1508787763;mircea_popescu;heck, temeswar was a raya for centuries. has a mosq and everything.
1727980;1508787835;mircea_popescu;http://www.islamtimisoara.ro/2016/06/iftar-la-moscheea-din-timisoara.html
1727981;1508788477;asciilifeform;ancient islam a-ok
1727982;1508788534;asciilifeform;last time i was only here for 3d tho
1727983;1508788553;asciilifeform;long enuff to get hard, but not spoodje
1727984;1508788623;asciilifeform;pet re steak: ‘joiana the cow died not in vain’
1727985;1508788725;asciilifeform;and the grappa, is mightyfine
1727986;1508788761;mircea_popescu;kik
1727987;1508788833;*;asciilifeform is in the c2 place but it is in civilian rather than mircea_popescutronic mode 
1727988;1508788878;asciilifeform;usa has nfi wat is food
1727989;1508789030;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-23#1727981 << i guess what everyone means by "islam" these days is salafism bs, much in the manner ustardianism is what "everyone" takes "western civilisation" to mean.
1727990;1508789030;a111;Logged on 2017-10-23 19:54 asciilifeform: ancient islam a-ok
1727991;1508789081;mircea_popescu;pointedly it does not, "western civilisation" reduces to the habsburg lands centered on vienna, or if one is 1600s versed the paris-florence-venice axis i guess
1727992;1508789083;asciilifeform;asciilifeform wurked for an ancientislam d00d for many yrs
1727993;1508789100;mircea_popescu;anglos never were part of western civilisation in any meaningful sense, and their piracy adventures dun change this.
1727994;1508789126;asciilifeform;hey asciilifeform is not a hapsburg but had the carriage gate!111
1727995;1508789133;mircea_popescu;better than nothing!
1727996;1508789146;asciilifeform;also not an angloid but these fine folx dunnno that
1727997;1508789169;mircea_popescu;must be frustrating.
1727998;1508789179;asciilifeform;aha!
1727999;1508789211;asciilifeform;but motivating
1728000;1508789276;asciilifeform;holy FUq 40bux , for phoods that cannot be had for even 100 in shitistan
1728001;1508789333;asciilifeform;‘intermezzo’ is neato ftr.
1728002;1508789379;mircea_popescu;are you going to check out the strip joints ?
1728003;1508791132;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: checking out the bed joint, $mission tomorrow
1728004;1508791623;mircea_popescu;what is this bed joint ?
1728005;1508792171;asciilifeform;$hotel
1728006;1508792305;mircea_popescu;a
1728007;1508793468;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-23#1727980 << lol!! wat sort of mosque serves cocacola!!
1728008;1508793468;a111;Logged on 2017-10-23 19:43 mircea_popescu: http://www.islamtimisoara.ro/2016/06/iftar-la-moscheea-din-timisoara.html
1728009;1508795615;BingoBoingo;Remember kids to always ask for the additional details: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DFTue/?raw=true
1728010;1508795807;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: thus far i can’t escape the suspicion that rack rental is fundamentally same type of chumpatron as box rental
1728011;1508795879;asciilifeform;( i.e. ripoff against ‘poorfags’ who can’t or won’t build a dc )
1728012;1508796905;BingoBoingo;Eh, looking more like the price of internet isn't being properly levied upon consumers.
1728013;1508799303;mircea_popescu;fwiw, trilema serves 1-2 terrabytes each month.
1728014;1508799325;mircea_popescu;!~calc 8*1024 ** 4 / 30 / 24 / 3600
1728015;1508799326;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 8*1024 ** 4 / 30 / 24 / 3600 = 3393554.406716049
1728016;1508799355;mircea_popescu;3.4Mbps sustained.
1728017;1508799484;mircea_popescu;!~calc 12 / 9
1728018;1508799485;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 12 / 9 = 1.3333333333333333
1728019;1508799588;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so they wanna eat a 3 per mbps at the lowest setting, looks like, and otherwise willing to let you have it for 50 cents if you commit.
1728020;1508799644;mircea_popescu;or am i misunderstanding all this ?
1728021;1508799726;BingoBoingo;Well, I am working on understanding this. Was sorta hoping to get a X per Terabyte figure. Anyways, the billing convention on these terms seems to be outta the month busiest 36 hours are tossed and transfer is averaged.
1728022;1508799766;mircea_popescu;the devil is in the details. "busiest 36 hours ARE SERVED and not billed", or "we will simply cut you from internet 36 hours each month and bill for th erest" ?
1728023;1508799848;BingoBoingo;Served, not figured into the averaging. Hence "95th percentile"
1728024;1508799895;mircea_popescu;not the worst arrangement.
1728025;1508800088;BingoBoingo;Not at all, looking pretty good actually. Even unmetered is only $4.6/mbps which shows transit price is not outta whack, if we had a customer planning to fully saturate connection.
1728026;1508800239;BingoBoingo;Also makes using a U or two on shared hosting service not such a bad proposition.
1728027;1508800337;BingoBoingo;But makes it clear why Netflix tries to plant a cage full of VCRs as clost to every customer as possible.
1728028;1508800355;mircea_popescu;right. i don't recall off hand the phuctor traffic figures, but pretty sure it's not 1mbps sustained over a month ; iirc not even a tenth that. eulora similarily eats in the kbps sustained, and so...
1728029;1508800376;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1024*1024/8*3600*24*30
1728030;1508800378;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1024*1024/8*3600*24*30 = 339738624000
1728031;1508800403;*;BingoBoingo trying to figure what a Bitcoin node sustains over a month.
1728032;1508800411;mircea_popescu;~340 GB = 1 Mbps sustained for a month. ignoring the 95% thing.
1728033;1508800439;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo depends on the node, but a non-magistral item maybe 10-50 kbps.
1728034;1508800503;BingoBoingo;Sweet, and having the two 10 Gbps ports is only a $400 portion of the $3840 quote.
1728035;1508800514;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1728036;1508800624;mircea_popescu;anyway, prolly get their lowest thing and expand it when you see enough traffic to justify it.
1728037;1508800647;mircea_popescu;ie when 800 + n * 12 > 1400 + n * 11 and so following.
1728038;1508800648;*;BingoBoingo going to pick up a PCENGINES apu to play with, Ubiqiti has distributors in Brazil, exploring best way to acquire boxes
1728039;1508800669;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo one doesn't help. you gotta mount eight as per alf's magics, i wouldn't bother.
1728040;1508800697;mircea_popescu;you're not an experimental machine building station. if the item exists commercially you use it ; if not whoever aims to whine is more than welcome to produce it himself.
1728041;1508800794;BingoBoingo;8 it'll be then
1728042;1508800807;mircea_popescu;ya but iirc you need custom mounts and so on.
1728043;1508800977;BingoBoingo;I'm thinking u1 rackmount formed aluminum sheet with fans on face apu chasis affixed to sheet, unless alf shares his recipe.
1728044;1508801056;BingoBoingo;But yeah. Way to get monster Opteron 6128 boxes onto rack higher priority
1728045;1508801269;shinohai;hue, hue, br, br
1728046;1508801328;BingoBoingo;brb sobertime
1728047;1508814428;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1728048;1508814435;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5641.92, vol: 18805.37245660 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5628.1, vol: 84467.50304428 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5642.0, vol: 6068.10645202 | Volume-weighted last average: 5631.24828823
1728049;1508815140;BingoBoingo;!!up jawbone
1728050;1508815140;deedbot;jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
1728051;1508819086;mod6; crv x.
1728052;1508819768;BingoBoingo;!!up Vadim11
1728053;1508819768;deedbot;Vadim11 voiced for 30 minutes.
1728054;1508819776;BingoBoingo;!!up shpx
1728055;1508819776;deedbot;shpx voiced for 30 minutes.
1728056;1508822921;BingoBoingo;In other news, Austria's next prime minister to be Sebastian Kurz, shitlord party. Make lulz great again.
1728057;1508825872;mircea_popescu;teh hungarians win huh.
1728058;1508848974;phf;romania zero muslim! what is this!
1728059;1508849888;asciilifeform;0 to naked eye at any rate
1728060;1508849901;asciilifeform;and not whole ro but timis
1728061;1508849914;asciilifeform;i did not tour whole ro, lol
1728062;1508849921;*;asciilifeform brb 
1728063;1508851803;davout;in other wtf https://developer.mastercard.com/product/mastercard-blockchain
1728064;1508855868;shinohai;Hilarious davout
1728065;1508858785;*;mod6 waves
1728066;1508859013;lobbes;"The Person-to-Person global market opportunity is $16 Trillion. Take advantage of the Mastercard Settlement Network to transfer funds between banks." << All these banks drinking the "Blockchain is the next The Cloud" scamolade. Can't tell if driven solely by the marketing-idiocy-cycle or if there is also some deliberate subversion greasing the wheels.
1728067;1508859025;lobbes;Probably the latter
1728068;1508859170;lobbes;Either way, a wonderful bundle of wtf davout
1728069;1508862681;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728058 << this is a poly-nomnomial extrapolation (tm) brought to you by alf's tiny samples foundation.
1728070;1508862681;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 12:42 phf: romania zero muslim! what is this!
1728071;1508862688;mircea_popescu;they're the largest gerbil employer in teh world!
1728072;1508862775;mircea_popescu;An error occurred during a connection to developer.mastercard.com. Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). << aww, check out all the offline noninternet websites! do they do things and utilities ?
1728073;1508862844;asciilifeform;lol!
1728074;1508862853;mircea_popescu;lobbes there's some very deliberate "we in communism also have coca-cola". because there's no way i'll take them in without their crossing under the yoke, and they dun wanna cross under the yoke (chiefly because they broadly understand that there being no further substance to them, they'll dissolve into nothingness, which is obviously true and also why i won't budge).
1728075;1508862876;*;asciilifeform just came out of ‘museum of communist consumer’
1728076;1508862878;mircea_popescu;so we're stuck, me dealing with individuals only, they dealing with names only. until this is resolved, ie, probably by force of arms, the lulz will continue.
1728077;1508862885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a nice huh.
1728078;1508862890;asciilifeform;aha!
1728079;1508862935;*;mircea_popescu just woke up, yelled out "pizdo! hai sa sugi pula!" but nobody came. got up, perambulated about, discovered is all alone.
1728080;1508862940;mircea_popescu;THIS IS WHAT BEING OLD IS LIKE
1728081;1508862948;asciilifeform;and then ate again phood i had nfi was even possible, for less than cost of a.. eh, i’ll skip it nao, saving for blogps0t
1728082;1508862983;asciilifeform;oh incidentally mission, at least preliminarily, accomplished
1728083;1508862997;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i used your algo!!
1728084;1508863001;mircea_popescu;doh.
1728085;1508863015;mircea_popescu;i am broadly surprised using my algos does anything!!11!!1!1!
1728086;1508863037;asciilifeform;it’s like philosopher stone
1728087;1508863101;*;asciilifeform is in a place with proper european ceilings and walls and floors, feels unspeakably nostalgic 
1728088;1508863107;*;asciilifeform brb
1728089;1508863205;mircea_popescu;he's so amusing lol, "and now... I CAN EAT ONCE MOAR!!11"
1728090;1508863424;BingoBoingo;LOL
1728091;1508863522;*;BingoBoingo thinks trinque and alf would make excellent travel team. Alf: "This not-US is AWESOME" trinque: "BUT TEXAS!"
1728092;1508863531;mircea_popescu;i can see it!
1728093;1508863551;mircea_popescu;maybe they retire jointly, alf on boat trinque on airplane.
1728094;1508863592;BingoBoingo;I thought davout lived on airplane?
1728095;1508863642;mircea_popescu;iirc davout lives on island ; tiny enough if you piss while running you can run around it.
1728096;1508863645;mod6;heheh
1728097;1508863877;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728075 << http://daimon.me/blog/2017/04/orientul-cel-nu-foarte-indepartat/ item, for teh curious.
1728098;1508863877;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 16:34 asciilifeform just came out of ‘museum of communist consumer’
1728099;1508864050;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/24/the-data-driven-racer/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The data-driven racer.
1728100;1508864602;BingoBoingo;And today I wake up to a bunch of emails from different contacts in HK all telling me that for the necessary international connectivity... They need new peering links.
1728101;1508865327;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1728102;1508865333;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5719.13, vol: 17484.08044233 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5699.9, vol: 69320.26482973 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5728.7, vol: 5755.35153166 | Volume-weighted last average: 5705.32323504
1728103;1508865945;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what were you asking them for ?
1728104;1508866031;BingoBoingo;20 Gbps, with the caveat of "excellent international connectivity". Provided context of high traffic websites with global audience.
1728105;1508866076;BingoBoingo;That rider on the ask came after the Vietnam inquiries.
1728106;1508866121;mircea_popescu;there's an ambiguity here, gotta distinguish between installed capacity and sustained consumption.
1728107;1508866134;*;davout actually left tiny mauritian island last sunday, in the process of moving to a much larger, less civilised, island
1728108;1508866163;davout;for the purpose of ending up living on airplane :D
1728109;1508866268;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728097 << oddly, this was a very different museum. but similar idea, tho i suspect it was made by seekrit communist, was full of abstract algebra textbooks, numbertheory, Kvant, catpic embroideries, nostalgic
1728110;1508866268;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 16:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728075 << http://daimon.me/blog/2017/04/orientul-cel-nu-foarte-indepartat/ item, for teh curious.
1728111;1508866285;asciilifeform;also bar
1728112;1508866314;*;asciilifeform will post picz laters
1728113;1508866415;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The getting them to distinguish is a difficulty as well. Apparently the Mandarin/English language duo is not conducive to Brain finesse as per 2014-ish discussion in pidgins. The Veit Congs were more effective communicators.
1728114;1508866498;BingoBoingo;Of course it could also be a gambit to get the gringo to offer to invest in some undersea cable.
1728115;1508866543;BingoBoingo;Then again the HKIX system is set up to minimize traffic sent through United States in transit
1728116;1508866572;BingoBoingo;Would be a great place to be a Netflix.
1728117;1508866744;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728063 >> 'By providing a permissioned platform to our network of developers and partners, our Blockchain platform delivers...'
1728118;1508866744;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 13:30 davout: in other wtf https://developer.mastercard.com/product/mastercard-blockchain
1728119;1508866794;asciilifeform;'The cost of fraudulent goods is worth $1.4 Trillion globally. Leverage the Mastercard Blockchain and Authorization Network to easily track high value pharmaceuticals, art, luxury goods as they are created, transferred, purchased and re-sold' << lol!,
1728120;1508866808;asciilifeform;!#s color bits
1728121;1508866808;a111;22 results for "color bits", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=color%20bits
1728122;1508868190;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728093 << interestingly in comparison with being surrounded by nonloathesome people on nonloathesome streets in nonloathesome house for nonloathesome price etc being in moving iron box dun seem appealing nomoar
1728123;1508868190;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 16:45 mircea_popescu: maybe they retire jointly, alf on boat trinque on airplane.
1728124;1508868203;asciilifeform;but i'd take the box over usa.
1728125;1508868751;mircea_popescu;davout not madagascar ?
1728126;1508868806;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i very much doubt there can be two items called "museum of communist consumer" under a bar called lejer in the tiny temeswar.
1728127;1508868872;mircea_popescu;and lulz at mastercard, pretending as if they've not just one, but a whole fucking NETWORK of developers.
1728128;1508868897;mircea_popescu;whole of usg has like a developer and a half to carry the whole load of endless "agencies", mastercard sees five minutes of developer every full moon.
1728129;1508868976;mircea_popescu;but anyway -- obviously now that bitcoin is here there will be no further "owner can't sell http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727511 because nato doesn't agree with ownership chain" bs.
1728130;1508868976;a111;Logged on 2017-10-21 23:26 mircea_popescu: and here's some lulz for asciilifeform's private "art ownerhsip" collection : femme nue couchee, a courbet knockoff of the maja desnuda goya painting was looted in 45 by the soviets, who displayed it in the manner of truckers, which is to say on a truck tarpaulin. the item was thought lost, but it surfaced in 2000. the owner (possession is 100% of the law!) was accused of being unfit for ownership, as he happened to be slovak
1728131;1508868994;mircea_popescu;let it be stated i'll buy "stolen" art at any time ; possession is 100% of the law.
1728132;1508869106;shinohai;If davout goes to Madagascar, please troll the locals by walking about in a plague doctor mask.
1728133;1508869111;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbvWyrhuDtA
1728134;1508869170;mircea_popescu;(tl;dr french speaking hooker hitting on attached males in public, french spoken ho drama ensues)
1728135;1508869183;asciilifeform; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728126 << possibly it was in the cellar , which looked dark and offline and i did not go to
1728136;1508869183;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 18:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much doubt there can be two items called "museum of communist consumer" under a bar called lejer in the tiny temeswar.
1728137;1508869197;mircea_popescu;ah
1728138;1508869216;mircea_popescu;decent collection of vinyls down there.
1728139;1508869241;asciilifeform;and incidentally i notice mircea_popescu has taken to ye olde austrohungarian name for t
1728140;1508869268;asciilifeform;in german airport, notably, still current ( or was, last time asciilifeform went )
1728141;1508869277;mircea_popescu;would you rather have demeswar ?
1728142;1508869297;asciilifeform;i've noprob with the ro
1728143;1508869346;asciilifeform;even reprogrammed kbd for trooo rotaku orcglyfology
1728144;1508869356;asciilifeform;for srchs etc
1728145;1508869380;mircea_popescu;o ya ? say something
1728146;1508869413;asciilifeform;šșț!111
1728147;1508869461;*;asciilifeform still prefers alphabets without orcological detritus glued on
1728148;1508869502;mircea_popescu;say îțâșă lol
1728149;1508869532;asciilifeform;hey ya didnt say 'saya word', but 'say something' lel
1728150;1508869551;mircea_popescu;(this is a synthetic romanian word, uses each of the special letters exactly once. it didn't exist naturally, but it SOUNDS like it'd be a thing, like "chioara" (one eyed female) or such ; so was defined by contest cca 2008)
1728151;1508869564;asciilifeform;neato
1728152;1508869602;asciilifeform;incidentally i was in the art gallery and lolled over the old pre-dekirrilization icons
1728153;1508869622;mircea_popescu;actually it is a fine example for linguistics, because, get this, native speaker presented with it would generally GUESS, based on PURE PHONETICS, that it has something to do with "being in the way" or "standing up inconveniently" or somesuch,.
1728154;1508869631;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as a phonetic meaning encoding, this item proves.
1728155;1508869650;asciilifeform;chomsky (?) had a piece aboht this
1728156;1508869664;asciilifeform;'bobo and kiki'
1728157;1508869667;mircea_popescu;aha. but he didn't have the good example.
1728158;1508869755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox disasm îțâșă for us poor n00brotakus
1728159;1508869952;asciilifeform;( upstack, in art gallery, was 'pay extra buck, take photos', so on a lark asciilifeform to pet 'ok pay a buck' . result - in every hall different old broad hisses when sees camera, but wave the ordinary scrap of paper with 'foto' scribbled , and they disperse. i imagine locals are wise to this, bring own scrap of paper when they feel like photoing in gallery... )
1728160;1508870080;BingoBoingo;!~later tell trinque pls to process deedbot withdrawls 4 maek gr8 ISP
1728161;1508870080;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1728162;1508870211;shinohai;Isn't trinque afk until tomorrow night ?
1728163;1508870217;shinohai;or something liek that
1728164;1508870696;BingoBoingo;AH, I forget
1728165;1508870719;asciilifeform;in other surprises, kidz book shop had volkov ( su d00d who made cult classic 'fanfic' of 'wizard of oz' series ) in ro trans
1728166;1508870770;asciilifeform;brain-melting, i expected 'we loathe all things su' to definitely extend to such a thing, but go figure.
1728167;1508870828;asciilifeform;( vol1 of subj was 1st deadtree asciilifeform has conscious memory of reading )
1728168;1508870850;asciilifeform;or 1 of, anyway
1728169;1508870953;diana_coman;asciilifeform, neah, next you'll be surprised to see nosov's books or what?
1728170;1508871036;asciilifeform; nah mircea_popescu clued me in re those yrs ago
1728171;1508871174;asciilifeform;assumed he was the 1 speshulexception lol
1728172;1508871216;diana_coman;if you are very curious you might also want to check the publisher: iirc many are in fact published in Chisinau (Moldova) and sold in Ro because cheap compared to local; iirc I saw quite a few books following this route and reflecting it, as it were
1728173;1508871229;asciilifeform;no nosov in the shop btw, subj was among pile of transld-from-engl harryfucker liquishit
1728174;1508871248;asciilifeform;hm interesing, will note.
1728175;1508871262;diana_coman;asciilifeform, eh, no; and fwiw esp re children's books, Russian illustrators were tops
1728176;1508871300;asciilifeform;troo!
1728177;1508871306;asciilifeform;afaik unequaled
1728178;1508871397;diana_coman;I'd subscribe to that, yes; I don't claim I'm an expert though
1728179;1508873585;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728125 <<< nope, uk
1728180;1508873585;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 18:12 mircea_popescu: davout not madagascar ?
1728181;1508873610;asciilifeform;ew
1728182;1508873619;asciilifeform;why wouldja do that, davout
1728183;1508873669;davout;they have an aeronautic school in oxford i want to attend
1728184;1508873762;davout;becoming a professional airline pilot is on the list, and if I don't do it now I'll soon be too old
1728185;1508874171;asciilifeform;ah hm somehow i thought that davout already flew people for moneys
1728186;1508874307;davout;i'm just a private pilot, when i fly people for money, i'm the one paying
1728187;1508875548;BingoBoingo;And in research at the fiat/Bitcoin interface it appears there is a Brazilian single person limited liability corporation, the Empresa Individual de Responsabilidade Limitada (EIRELI)
1728188;1508876255;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what;s to disasm ? just a succession of letters.
1728189;1508876331;mircea_popescu;and no, ro hates all things russian in the sense of politically. otherwise romanian view is all other things were written by alt-romanians in bad romanian.
1728190;1508876358;mircea_popescu;translation more a work of "this very talented youngster can't grammar properly, but here's a normal transcription" than anything.
1728191;1508876387;mircea_popescu;stalin may well be russian, or whatever, georgiussian. but puskin much like petofi very much romanian.
1728192;1508876433;mircea_popescu;of course this is never actually ~said~ as such, but i suspect for the same reason priest omits to specify manner and size of wife beating implement.
1728193;1508877047;ben_vulpes;and in other trigger warnings http://katu.com/news/local/portland-bars-getting-certified-as-safe-spaces-against-sexual-violence-and-racism
1728194;1508877063;ben_vulpes;i know, let's train them out of agency
1728195;1508877077;ben_vulpes;enshrine even restaurant staff as local delegates of the inca
1728196;1508877149;ben_vulpes;it's assault when creepazons do it, and otherwise it's the normal mating dance. most dudes are creepazons, so to regurgitate a popescuism, "unless the bar is 80% girls and the few guys were invited explicitly", american bars will continue to be full of creepy low value male meat.
1728197;1508877225;mircea_popescu;heh\
1728198;1508877305;ben_vulpes;also this one is too riddled with lulz, just read it http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.html
1728199;1508877312;ben_vulpes;!!up mircea_popescu
1728200;1508877313;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1728201;1508877318;mircea_popescu;why ty.
1728202;1508877331;ben_vulpes;ofc ofc
1728203;1508877366;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking point is to get the generation without ( http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ ) look better by comparison.
1728204;1508877404;mircea_popescu;"oh, wanna-be mps over at ycombinator can't compete with mp though they really really want to ? I KNOW!!! we'll make all the bars suck and then suddenly the shit-ass parties ycombinator throws won't look quite as shitty anymore!!1"
1728205;1508877420;mircea_popescu;by the book "we are poor and hopeless but communism rules!!!!" argentinianism.
1728206;1508877463;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728188 << re >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728153 , but indun expect it can be explained-compactly, no.
1728207;1508877463;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 20:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what;s to disasm ? just a succession of letters.
1728208;1508877463;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 18:27 mircea_popescu: actually it is a fine example for linguistics, because, get this, native speaker presented with it would generally GUESS, based on PURE PHONETICS, that it has something to do with "being in the way" or "standing up inconveniently" or somesuch,.
1728209;1508877480;asciilifeform;* i dun expect
1728210;1508877484;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have no idea what the heuristcs actually are ; self-reported they vary.
1728211;1508877502;asciilifeform;yea dark magic.
1728212;1508877504;mircea_popescu;this'd require a large study and the largeness will implicitly make it fail through publicity.
1728213;1508877550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but in bonus lulz : hanbot, who is not a native speaker, confronted earlier with it guessed it's some sort of spoke or knob like off a door.
1728214;1508877579;asciilifeform;i still gotta attempt it...
1728215;1508877583;mircea_popescu;i expect there can be peri-linguistic tests of language mastery consisting entirely of synthetic constructions.
1728216;1508877667;asciilifeform;lessee, : îțâșă ~= 'ицыша' ?
1728217;1508877757;mircea_popescu;well... just about. /ɨtsɨʃə/
1728218;1508877820;asciilifeform;asciilifeform read it as-so upstack. and pictured some sort of old crone, in a tram, for some reason
1728219;1508877825;asciilifeform;with walking stick
1728220;1508877842;asciilifeform;failing that, a hernia
1728221;1508877863;mircea_popescu;there;s usually no ɨ explicitly in russian, but if you contrast say твёрдый and мягкий it's evident
1728222;1508877872;mircea_popescu;the first takes ɨ not i.
1728223;1508877911;asciilifeform;vowels dun takr ь/ъ tho
1728224;1508877918;asciilifeform;*take
1728225;1508877928;mircea_popescu;i just meant in the pronounciation of the two words.
1728226;1508877931;asciilifeform;aa
1728227;1508877934;asciilifeform;hmm
1728228;1508877949;mircea_popescu;ый =  ɨj not ij
1728229;1508877980;asciilifeform;aaaaa
1728230;1508877981;mircea_popescu;ie, close central unrounded not close front unrounded.
1728231;1508877984;asciilifeform;ok
1728232;1508877996;mircea_popescu;tho generally the russian "academics" or w/e pretend there's no close central.
1728233;1508878009;*;asciilifeform reloads the needed chinanual into his head, it computes
1728234;1508878039;asciilifeform;lol there is too close center, india iirc
1728235;1508878092;mircea_popescu;:p
1728236;1508878121;asciilifeform;is this pair actually phonemic in ro tho
1728237;1508878132;mircea_popescu;absolutely.
1728238;1508878135;asciilifeform;( can haz minimal pair that hinges on it ? )
1728239;1508878148;mircea_popescu;it's one of the major vocalic axes in romanian.
1728240;1508878160;asciilifeform;i.e. 2 diff wrds that differ only there
1728241;1508878172;asciilifeform;other than the pluralization thing
1728242;1508878207;mircea_popescu;i^i ( ɨi ), short form of to be present indicative ; i-i (ii), article-pronoun manuple.
1728243;1508878217;asciilifeform;( which counts, sure, but i was looking for a serious boobytrap where unwary noob bites the wax tadpole )
1728244;1508878272;asciilifeform;hm theere it was. asciilifeform had nfi how to pronounce i-i
1728245;1508878278;mircea_popescu;language is full of it, it's like a fundamental mechanism of romanian. ii da / ɨi də/ (he gives [it] to him) vs dai-i /dəii/ (give them to him)
1728246;1508878298;asciilifeform;i was doing ii as if in finnish
1728247;1508878312;mircea_popescu;100% chances of native speaking not having any fucking clue what you're saying
1728248;1508878325;asciilifeform;provenexperimentally!
1728249;1508878329;mircea_popescu;will skip from the first syllable of first involved word as far as possibly the first sentence stop.
1728250;1508878387;asciilifeform;prolly only cure is actually snarfing in a few kilometres of ro voice track.
1728251;1508878409;asciilifeform;as i did with eng
1728252;1508878428;asciilifeform;then hindbrain will do the wurk
1728253;1508878469;asciilifeform;tough life, of rotaku, where does one get... ronime ?!
1728254;1508878576;mircea_popescu;blowing this distinction is a major general failure in romanian.
1728255;1508878581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform robotzii!!11
1728256;1508878593;asciilifeform;that's master class tho
1728257;1508878632;mircea_popescu;in languages as well as fucking, there's no disadvantage in starting directly with the master class.
1728258;1508878636;mircea_popescu;unlike flying say
1728259;1508878643;diana_coman;asciilifeform, maybe search for "fonoteca" from some radio at least if not otherwise?
1728260;1508878653;mircea_popescu;o yeah. collected works of florian pittis.
1728261;1508878653;asciilifeform;yea
1728262;1508878700;asciilifeform;i also supposed that ro '80s may have included same style of spiffy kidz' records as su, and to hunt for'em
1728263;1508878737;diana_coman;actually since you are in Ro, you can look at bookshops for cds/dvds on the topic ; iirc there were quite a few at some point
1728264;1508878762;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SFHmiV8Bg < there.
1728265;1508878762;asciilifeform;yea already went hunting, so far turning up loathesome anglisms tho
1728266;1508878794;asciilifeform;oh neato ty mircea_popescu
1728267;1508878875;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what you want is an "anticariat", buy old "electrecord" vinyls. he did a series of kids stories, excellent.
1728268;1508878968;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFO2F37cvB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv9l3NVrgSA << moar in teh same vein.
1728269;1508879021;*;asciilifeform adds to conveyor, snarfs for eating on airplane 
1728270;1508879022;diana_coman;hm, asciilifeform maybe editura casa radio, "fonoteca de aur" such as http://www.edituracasaradio.ro/prod.htm?grp=3&cat=18&prod=925
1728271;1508879054;diana_coman;ahahaha,lordul john!
1728272;1508879067;mircea_popescu;diana_coman if he finds the old greuceanu etc series for a buck a piece and buys a few buckets he'll have perfectly legitimate us house's worth of collectibles.
1728273;1508879103;asciilifeform;is there actually an antiquariat in timis? i sniffed around, found only old furniture peddlers
1728274;1508879127;asciilifeform;was specifically hunting for old regime kidzbookz etc
1728275;1508879143;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, heh, the old vinyls from my childhood are still in a certain attic in ploiesti...
1728276;1508879143;mircea_popescu;vinyls prolly better.
1728277;1508879154;asciilifeform;verily
1728278;1508879156;mircea_popescu;but otherwise sure, what that great k. ushinsky "povestind copiilor" etc
1728279;1508879168;mircea_popescu;diana_coman probably same here, but hey.
1728280;1508879240;diana_coman;hmmm, asciilifeform I bought for my kid a set of cds, again radio romania old transmissions, "noapte buna, copii" ; tbh though those are 5-10 minutes sort of things and at times (now) I find them a tad annoying
1728281;1508879245;mircea_popescu;"in lumea plina de urmari, eu sunt un om pe niste scari. in sus ce e ? in jos, nimic. in jos ce e ? in sus... nimic. vorbesc cu ceilalti care-au fost, si-n sus si-n jos si nu-i dezic. eu insumi spun de locurile pe unde-am fost : nu e nimic."
1728282;1508879262;diana_coman;they are again recordings from 1961-1971
1728283;1508879286;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, yes!
1728284;1508879306;asciilifeform;lol, diana_coman was this a ro version of 'спокойной ночи, малыши' megahit?!
1728285;1508879317;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I guess so
1728286;1508879327;asciilifeform;or just convergent evolution of title.
1728287;1508879346;diana_coman;they are though stories by ro authors, including cosbuc, creanga, delavrancea
1728288;1508879357;mircea_popescu;nah, ro consisted of theft. you should see the inane lyrics they stuffed on ~most everything making the pop charts in the 70s.
1728289;1508879359;diana_coman;so it might be more copying the title
1728290;1508879429;diana_coman;this batch of cds I have here are bought in 2015, casa radio again; recordings from 1961-1971, readers Silvia Chicos, Octavian Cotescu, Dumitru Furdui, Dinu Ianculescu, Elena Pop, Turodel Popa
1728291;1508879448;mircea_popescu;o right, silvia chicos did a bunch of them.
1728292;1508879458;mircea_popescu;amusingly, i recall all of these.
1728293;1508879465;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ogden nash neh
1728294;1508879467;mircea_popescu;turodel = tudorel, but w/e :D
1728295;1508879479;asciilifeform;or who was it, 'man who wasnt there'
1728296;1508879490;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform somethinglikethat i guess.
1728297;1508879502;asciilifeform;we had this too, for 20yrs i thought that my nursery rhymes were su original, then found the english.
1728298;1508879508;diana_coman;aha; authors include mihai jemaneanu, octav pancu-iasi, vladimir colin, vasile manuceanu, tudor arghezi, emil garleanu, stefanescu delavrancea, ion creanga, veronica micle, george cosbuc
1728299;1508879515;asciilifeform;hickeryfuckigdickerydock
1728300;1508879517;mircea_popescu;closed borders are a mixed blessing. all the shit has to be "translated", etc.
1728301;1508879534;diana_coman;mircea_popescu,lol! tudorel indeed
1728302;1508879564;mircea_popescu;the important point about romanian kids stories is that they're not even bleak, they're penned by fucking chulhu. they regularily make adult anglo girls cry for the rest of the night.
1728303;1508879566;asciilifeform;aha, marshak, same d00d who translated shakespeare, translated most of the subj
1728304;1508879590;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ooh can haz sample plox
1728305;1508879603;mircea_popescu;the original hc andersen matchbook girl being among the few foreign items marginally qualified to pariticpate.
1728306;1508879604;asciilifeform;i recall fefeleaga but that was not kidz tale neh
1728307;1508879615;mircea_popescu;!~google puiul de ioan alexandru bratescu voinesti
1728308;1508879617;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Puiul | e-povesti.ro: <http://e-povesti.ro/povesti/puiul/>; Puiul de Ioan Alexandru Bratescu Voinesti - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DqYYbqhwpQMk>; PUIUL de Ion Alexandru Bratescu Voinesti - povesti Copilasul.com ...: <http://www.copilasul.com/povesti-povestiri/PUIUL-de-Ion-Alexandru-Bratescu-Voinesti-BM-COM.php>
1728309;1508879620;diana_coman;asciilifeform, tinerete fara batranete si viata fara de moarte
1728310;1508879643;mircea_popescu;^ item was in first year of writing. mandatory week spent by 9yos trying to write it out without staining thje paper.
1728311;1508879653;asciilifeform;nifty !
1728312;1508879654;mircea_popescu;!~google "de ce ma stringi in pumnul tau"
1728313;1508879656;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Gândăcelul - Poezii Romanesti: <http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/gandacelul.php>; ''Gândăcelul'' - Elena Farago. Voce: Dana Maria - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoaY5DGlukII>; Gândăcelul - poezie de Elena Farago - Povesti pentru copii: <http://www.povesti-pentru-copii.com/poezii-pentru-copii/elena-farago/gandacelul.html>
1728314;1508879699;mircea_popescu;oh and of course... you ever read "fram, ursul polar" ?
1728315;1508879748;mircea_popescu;ppl think oh noes, huxley wrote up the alienation of the final stages of socialist decay ? hurr. try cezar petrescu.
1728316;1508879786;asciilifeform;woah, that one with beetle is powerful juju
1728317;1508879818;asciilifeform;i had similar but it was translation, gianni rodari , had bunch of , e.g.,
1728318;1508879832;mircea_popescu;aha. the "leftover" italians had plenty of good stuff.
1728319;1508879877;mircea_popescu;italo calvino somewhat an echo for the contemporanous reddit ; but otherwise the kingdom of two sicilies excelled, before "italy industrialized" post ww2.
1728320;1508879950;mircea_popescu;anyway. let it be stated that if your story's going to "happy end" it's not even worth writing ; clearly you understood nothing of nothing.
1728321;1508879972;asciilifeform;'вчера ты был весел, мальчик из Модены... вчера не сегодня, я видел сегодня, как наших отцов расстреляли в упор...'
1728322;1508879993;*;asciilifeform pawed it in from head, it dun seem to exist on www
1728323;1508880025;mircea_popescu;this is moar like ww2. whereas parma had regrets in the 1700s as well.
1728324;1508880135;asciilifeform;oh hey found, in anthology, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PCQRG/?raw=true
1728325;1508880181;mircea_popescu;fefeleaga iirc was 5th grade ?
1728326;1508880414;diana_coman;ha, asciilifeform apparently from vinyls so quality as it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-VOU_jP-8&index=8&list=PLhFkMMCbqsCMq38PC3lGv11vmULgkUfH9
1728327;1508880429;asciilifeform;oh neato
1728328;1508880463;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, 6th or so
1728329;1508880464;asciilifeform;this should stoke asciilifeform's rotakuistics for a spell.
1728330;1508880488;diana_coman;ahahah, soacra cu trei nurori
1728331;1508880490;mircea_popescu;diana_coman maybe they were doing it later across the mountains :D :D :D
1728332;1508880506;asciilifeform;( any other rotaku here ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? who's a humlang junkie but not learned ro yet )
1728333;1508880533;mircea_popescu;spanish seems more likely.
1728334;1508880536;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, lol! fwiw I kind of trashed "puiul" to start with: stated that mother-bird was idiot as she should have either taken chick on her back or otherwise leave earlier ffs
1728335;1508880543;*;ben_vulpes still struggling with ru glyphs
1728336;1508880548;mircea_popescu;diana_coman nu pricepi sentimentul romanesc al fiintei.
1728337;1508880558;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, nici nu, nu, clar nu
1728338;1508880558;ben_vulpes;one month on guitar, one on ru is sorta my pattern there
1728339;1508880577;mircea_popescu;mother hen should have sold injured chick to a pedophile, flew first class with the other one off the dough.
1728340;1508880600;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: hey try ro, only 5 orcograms
1728341;1508880643;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that would have made her master seller or something; bird-pedo with an "injured idiot" fetish?
1728342;1508880650;mircea_popescu;i guess lol.
1728343;1508880652;asciilifeform;this is idea
1728344;1508880665;asciilifeform;mircea_popescuized fairytales
1728345;1508880670;asciilifeform;would bestsell.
1728346;1508880690;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im translating http://trilema.com/2011/triumful-crizei/ as we speak.
1728347;1508880705;mircea_popescu;(that was a mp-ization of an 1850s b p hasdeu item originally)
1728348;1508880723;mircea_popescu;o sorry wrong item
1728349;1508880726;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/triumful-talentului-sau-despre-bunatate/ is what i meant.
1728350;1508880885;mircea_popescu;anyway, as far as the foreigner speaker is concerned, the pons asinorum is mastering the  ɨ/i and ə/a dychotomies. takes failure rate from 100% to maybe 60% just liek that. then the dypthongs/tripthongs/quadriphtongs (yes, romanian has that). contrary to intuition, the special consonants are not difficult.
1728351;1508880909;mircea_popescu;whole fucking language consists of vowel counting for the native speaker.
1728352;1508881214;asciilifeform;where's the quadripthong ? tri- easy, e.g. copiii
1728353;1508881235;mircea_popescu;!~translate en to ro sheep
1728354;1508881236;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: oaie
1728355;1508881244;asciilifeform;aaaaa
1728356;1508881247;asciilifeform;lolyea
1728357;1508881266;mircea_popescu;and copiii is not a triphtong in this sense.
1728358;1508881274;mircea_popescu;beau. creioane. doreau
1728359;1508881276;mircea_popescu;etcetera.
1728360;1508881292;*;asciilifeform does not find vowel or consonant clusters of any length, difficult , often torments pet with'em 
1728361;1508881338;mircea_popescu;(many 4 vowels are actually tripthongs because of syllabic considerations. leoaica, voiau, etc.)
1728362;1508881404;asciilifeform;i tend to turn those iau into яу
1728363;1508881425;mircea_popescu;it's /jau/ more or less.
1728364;1508881441;asciilifeform;i still dunget why you folx ditched cyrillic
1728365;1508881443;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728160 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727476
1728366;1508881443;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 18:34 BingoBoingo: !~later tell trinque pls to process deedbot withdrawls 4 maek gr8 ISP
1728367;1508881443;a111;Logged on 2017-10-21 21:31 trinque: btw, I will be traveling from tomorrow until wed. in-bot wallet ops will be working fine during that time, but I'll be unable to process withdrawals while out. any queued will be sent wed night.
1728368;1508881447;asciilifeform;it worked...
1728369;1508881458;mircea_popescu;i is easily the most fluid vowel in romanian, it really hides about half dozen distinguished forms of which about half are actually notated.
1728370;1508881458;trinque;BingoBoingo: will get ya tomorrow night.
1728371;1508881478;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually dun work for romanian ; it's very latin.
1728372;1508881495;asciilifeform;latin with slavic phonemes lol
1728373;1508881511;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1728374;1508881520;asciilifeform;i keep hearing ru everywhere, but on close inspection it aint
1728375;1508881533;asciilifeform;but phonologically sounds muchly so
1728376;1508881536;mircea_popescu;this is because russian isn't as slavic as it used to be.
1728377;1508881557;asciilifeform;lol where is the troo slavic then
1728378;1508881569;mircea_popescu;ivan'd definitely behead people over their shitty speech if he came back to moscow of today.
1728379;1508881570;asciilifeform;south ( bulgaria ? )
1728380;1508881584;asciilifeform;this is mainstream theory btw
1728381;1508881585;mircea_popescu;nah, it all opened and softened. true slavic would be in eg... finland.
1728382;1508881598;mircea_popescu;much to nobody's enchantment.
1728383;1508881604;asciilifeform;finns are ~chukchas and not a iota slav tho
1728384;1508881619;mircea_popescu;yes, which is how they ended up maintaining the phonetic influence of the old russkis.
1728385;1508881638;asciilifeform;i can picture it tho.
1728386;1508881644;mircea_popescu;moldovans are orcs and not as romanian as they'd like, which is why chisinev spoken romanian sounds like embalmed ion creanga.
1728387;1508881667;asciilifeform;i pictured them as ro equiv of ukrs approx
1728388;1508881673;asciilifeform;borderfolx
1728389;1508881679;mircea_popescu;really, they're ro equiv of scotts.
1728390;1508881688;asciilifeform;they were ruthlessly mocked in su
1728391;1508881704;asciilifeform;( butt of million joakes )
1728392;1508881724;mircea_popescu;well to this day i expect the ancient amusement of "get a moldovan hooker at a party, make her strip and talk" still continues.
1728393;1508881739;mircea_popescu;was good for many merry hours once upon a time.
1728394;1508881783;mircea_popescu;there's even hookers born and raised in bucharest doing the accent for dubious tv shows.
1728395;1508881815;asciilifeform;lol!!
1728396;1508881832;mircea_popescu;somehow it's directly hysterical to the mainstream romanian ear.
1728397;1508882306;asciilifeform;to ru also
1728398;1508882525;BingoBoingo;trinque: ty
1728399;1508882631;asciilifeform;speaking of orcraft, ' besarabia e romania' graffiti everywhere
1728400;1508882633;*;BingoBoingo working on digesting hundreds of meters of vocal track
1728401;1508882653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're trying to get into the eu.
1728402;1508882662;asciilifeform;and also the 'don't know history is like children who don't know their parent' thing
1728403;1508882668;asciilifeform;on every flat surface
1728404;1508882704;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the ro govt was very lax with their immigration ; until euros got all pissy about it, so they closed the border. a coupla years later... euros decided everyone must take in random syrians.
1728405;1508882710;asciilifeform;lol they could get into eu if absorbed into ro neh
1728406;1508882723;mircea_popescu;THAT is not on any flat surface, because that's the fucking characteristic of these young protesting shitheads : stick to ineffectuality.
1728407;1508882739;mircea_popescu;uk "extreme right" "fascists" are derping on about... how there shouldn't be... NEW immigrants.
1728408;1508882746;mircea_popescu;not you know, about burning every last paki in the island.
1728409;1508882756;mircea_popescu;because if you do that, there sure as fuck won't be any new ones either.
1728410;1508882757;asciilifeform;aha wat happened to ovens
1728411;1508882788;asciilifeform;( answ: ovens are where white brits will bake )
1728412;1508882840;mircea_popescu;anyway. moldavia doesn't stand a fucking chance, on its own. it's a sort of argentina, no industry whatsoever, no young people left to slave on the farms, it ain't got jack.
1728413;1508882858;asciilifeform;latvia sans sprat
1728414;1508882869;mircea_popescu;very heavily dependent on russian support to continue existing, and ro sure as fuck doesn't want ANOTHER moldavia on its budget
1728415;1508882879;mircea_popescu;the current moldavia was a sort of baltimore 20 years ago.
1728416;1508882893;asciilifeform;can't picture for what ru would want it (back)
1728417;1508882905;mircea_popescu;now you can appreciate their drama.
1728418;1508882913;asciilifeform;aaaha
1728419;1508882926;asciilifeform;so it IS urkaina
1728420;1508882929;mircea_popescu;the official truth is that "Everyone keeps invading", the sad truth is that nobody really wants it.
1728421;1508882934;mircea_popescu;just the girls, if that.
1728422;1508882936;*;diana_coman heard they were very, very talented... acrobats! even had huge circus built in USSR times because of that; dunno if that's enough though...
1728423;1508882952;asciilifeform;i met one at uni
1728424;1508882958;asciilifeform;in usa
1728425;1508882981;mircea_popescu;diana_coman hey, i'm not proposing it's uninhabited or anything. good food, largest old collection of wine in europe (meanwhile im sure looted, but i did eat 1800s wine marmalade in their incredibly huge cellar that takes fucking semaphores is so big)
1728426;1508883015;mircea_popescu;and generally it was a great place to buy a coupla girls for a dozen lycra stockings, back in the 90s. by now...
1728427;1508883037;asciilifeform;hey maybe asciilifeform can get visa!!
1728428;1508883066;diana_coman;I had a few colleagues at uni bucharest; re language my observation was that they mixed ro and ru (not words per se but rather languages as a whole) to such degree that result was at worst not-understandable, at best hysterical indeed; sort of saying "ulita" (because of Russian "ulita" obv) to huge boulevard comes to mind but it's not the only thing
1728429;1508883079;asciilifeform;Мож чаво замутим?
1728430;1508883089;asciilifeform;^ typical
1728431;1508883094;asciilifeform;and gut-bustig
1728432;1508883122;mircea_popescu;diana_coman officially that's slavonic not russian :D
1728433;1508883126;mircea_popescu;(hu also has utca etc)
1728434;1508883138;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, lol
1728435;1508883155;mircea_popescu;im serious though, it's likely old slavonic as a source. certainly not russian import
1728436;1508883165;asciilifeform;i keep turning up indigested or quasidigested bits of ru in ro
1728437;1508883178;mircea_popescu;this is how moldovan philology goes 90% of the time, too : they preserved an old thing, generally older than muscovy, rather than import it.
1728438;1508883198;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, you mean they imported it from old church books or what?
1728439;1508883199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that describes all of the south slavs
1728440;1508883200;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're like present day crocodiles : not a sort of fallen man, but a different evolution of the same ancient parent.
1728441;1508883200;diana_coman;hm, maybe
1728442;1508883211;mircea_popescu;diana_coman they preserved something romanian mostly lost
1728443;1508883214;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bulgaria, serbia
1728444;1508883220;mircea_popescu;though ulita is correct romanian to this day
1728445;1508883232;asciilifeform;they froze different chunk of protoslavonic
1728446;1508883234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1728447;1508883235;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that's the thing: it IS correct, but ...not the same thing!
1728448;1508883235;asciilifeform;than ru
1728449;1508883237;mircea_popescu;quite exactly.
1728450;1508883256;mircea_popescu;diana_coman not the same usage, yes, which makes their usage intensional, ie stylistically relevant, which it's why it's a joke.
1728451;1508883263;asciilifeform;this is uncontroversial afaik among ru aficionados
1728452;1508883263;diana_coman;exactly
1728453;1508883266;mircea_popescu;but "Strada mare" is not how your great-grandmother would have called ulita mare in the village.
1728454;1508883284;diana_coman;no, ulita MARE
1728455;1508883288;diana_coman;not just "ulita" either
1728456;1508883302;mircea_popescu;well, they heard you're not supposed to say "mare" in the city.
1728457;1508883306;mircea_popescu;fata simply, not fata mare.
1728458;1508883317;diana_coman;there is also ulicioara though :D
1728459;1508883358;mircea_popescu;aha!
1728460;1508883380;asciilifeform;strada is a germanism neh
1728461;1508883383;mircea_popescu;aha.
1728462;1508883411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the other major item contributing to the humor is that they use the (originally latin, now romanian) mechanism of functional language. so they will take a slavonic root, and derive it in the romanian manner with no shits given
1728463;1508883416;mircea_popescu;which produces some of the best wtf's ever.
1728464;1508883431;diana_coman;well, it's also urbanism; great-grandmother would have said drum if not ulita
1728465;1508883442;asciilifeform;found its way into ru, автострада , i.e. autobahn
1728466;1508883449;mircea_popescu;the robotzi "sa te ghetzalesc pe limba???" item is a tongue in cheek reference of exactly this. the word doesn't exist, but if you're a civilised romanian which means born in transylvania and aware enough of hungarian to know how they say sperm,
1728467;1508883453;mircea_popescu;suddenly it's funny.
1728468;1508883473;asciilifeform;as a kid it vexxed me, i thought it had to do with страдать , suffer
1728469;1508883481;mircea_popescu;it... does :D
1728470;1508883491;asciilifeform;( perhaps an automatic means of inflicting suffering !)
1728471;1508883493;asciilifeform;and indeed.
1728472;1508883499;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : struda sounds like italian privative, sfortunato etc.
1728473;1508883508;mircea_popescu;ie, it's either work or suffering, truda or struda.
1728474;1508883570;mircea_popescu;and if you've ever had your slavegirls make the dough for strudel....
1728475;1508883592;mircea_popescu;in short : birthday paradox. there's just not that many sounds, letters, words etcetera for everyone in europe to be entirely special.
1728476;1508883630;asciilifeform;voicebox aint madeof rubber
1728477;1508883702;*;asciilifeform bbl, bed 
1728478;1508886504;BingoBoingo;In other people's trash https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABGC4PY2308
1728479;1508886547;shinohai;What a lucky number, BingoBoingo
1728480;1508886554;shinohai;I want one lol
1728481;1508886571;BingoBoingo;What are you thinking monthly?
1728482;1508886730;shinohai;i dunno
1728483;1508887480;BingoBoingo;Ah, well it's probably time to thik about what you'd make owning the box
1728484;1508887963;shinohai;Well my values are different than most. Ownership of the box alone justifies trb node, which is worthy of a total of 0,16 BTC
1728485;1508888626;BingoBoingo;Ah
1728486;1508888766;shinohai;it would surely run netbsd and mp-wp w/out hiccup
1728487;1508888864;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe have to pull RAID controller for netbsd
1728488;1508893820;mircea_popescu;"muieblackcat is script/bot, supposedly of Ukrainian origin, that attempts to exploit PHP vulnerabilities or misconfigurations." << clearly, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728387
1728489;1508893820;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 21:47 asciilifeform: i pictured them as ro equiv of ukrs approx
1728490;1508894513;shinohai;http://archive.is/HfUof   <<< " Emin Gun Sirer, a Cornell University associate professor in the computer science department who is a Tezos technical adviser, said he continues to believe the network is still “technically sound.”
1728491;1508896872;mircea_popescu;lol the promising young turk got his ass pretty well loosened on this one, huh.
1728492;1508896890;mircea_popescu;hopefully he has younger brothers, i can't imagine what possible use he can still be the usg turkfucker department.
1728493;1508896917;mircea_popescu;shinohai tell him from me not making tenure "fucking sucks" from what i hear.
1728494;1508899151;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ << The Whet - A Compendium of Possibly Helpful Stuffs for Erecting Mircea Popescu's WordPress with Nearly Free Speech Hosting
1728495;1508899557;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1728496;1508899795;BingoBoingo;In other polls, NFL is no longer 'Murica's favorite ball league. Replaced by MLB, which is more multicultural in far less politically convenient way for pantsuit.
1728497;1508900472;mircea_popescu;awww
1728498;1508900494;mircea_popescu;jew coverage as to how this is concerning but doesn't matter and people still give a shit about them abundent enough ?
1728499;1508900546;mircea_popescu;they may be slow on the uptake, but their owners are not. a franchise is 100% made out of sucking the right cock, and pantsuitism just turned clitty.
1728500;1508901282;BingoBoingo;Jew coverage on this is "OMG inspirational Houston vs Perennial almost good LA finally being good World Series bringing attention to baseball"
1728501;1508901312;BingoBoingo;And no coverage of "working Hispanics wanna see Make Great Great Again"
1728502;1508901313;mircea_popescu;too many words.
1728503;1508901336;mircea_popescu;i suppose its hard for a jew to grok the wordcount point.
1728504;1508901359;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course too many words. They can't be direct. Violates pantsuit principal of alway covering girl floor with fabric.
1728505;1508901364;mircea_popescu;aha
1728506;1508901406;BingoBoingo;Can't let the girl smells escape and excite or disgust the menfolk depending on age and condition of girl floor
1728507;1508901497;BingoBoingo;In other learnings of the day, apparently "language schools" can qualify persons for student visas in Brazil where 10X hour course translates to X month visa.
1728508;1508901659;mircea_popescu;nb
1728509;1508901909;BingoBoingo;Cost of language school is to be determined. But it never hurts to meet people outside of work. Compatibility of language school visa and administering an EIRELI to be determined, but it allows presence in the country and less butt probes than business visa from the view so far.
1728510;1508902129;BingoBoingo;For gringo EIRELI requires 150,000 Reals of registered capital to establish, but is reading as an actually sole proprietor limited liability vehicle. That amount still comes with "plan to employ two Brazialians requirement" but virtual knocking on lawyer doors.
1728511;1508902294;BingoBoingo;And in still other news, SWAT team and feds were in town over what was apparently a very methy stabbing.
1728512;1508902379;BingoBoingo;http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article180607516.html#navlink=Lead
1728513;1508903199;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in Lafondistan http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=653
1728514;1508903606;BingoBoingo;And in almost there http://www.vdare.com/posts/black-identity-extremists-nyt-is-spitting-mad-that-trumps-fbi-understands-sapir-whorf
1728515;1508904745;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1728516;1508904752;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5538.22, vol: 15423.61062939 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5530.0, vol: 51664.38519479 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5578.0, vol: 5232.97486898 | Volume-weighted last average: 5535.22621405
1728517;1508905718;BingoBoingo;https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10005
1728518;1508905824;BingoBoingo;And apparently the latest favorite to be 2020's attempt at Hussein Bahamas II is Deval Patrick.
1728519;1508906170;BingoBoingo;And from the truly WTF mines http://www.liveinbrazil.org/2012/08/10/brazilian-people/#comment-12300
1728520;1508908485;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728338 << in my experience with guitar, frequency is more important for muscle memory building (and general finger strength building). I've found that even 5 minutes per day tends to be more effective than, say, a single 2 hour session per week
1728521;1508908485;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 21:29 ben_vulpes: one month on guitar, one on ru is sorta my pattern there
1728522;1508908562;lobbes;"You learn while you sleep" or something along those lines. Maybe "you compile while you sleep" is more apt
1728523;1508909105;lobbes;BingoBoingo aha. Deval the former choco-gubner of taxachusetts. Fits the bill, I can see it
1728524;1508909780;davout;there's this, and also the necessity of learning new things, very often people get stuck playing the same things, which mostly reinforces defects, instead of seeking new and different stuff to work on for a bit
1728525;1508909789;BingoBoingo;As we referred to him watching drunk election returns in 2006 (It was college), The Black Deval
1728526;1508909883;BingoBoingo;davout: AHA, drilling portugues is improving my palavras de espanol but butchering my spanish pronunciation
1728527;1508909896;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727578 <<< probably depends on which direction their exchange rate is going
1728528;1508909896;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 01:15 hanbot: i don't know what the actual time threshold is tbh. clearly longer than 15 mins tho.
1728529;1508909978;davout;language mixing is a thing for me too, i sounded like an absolute retard trying to speak dutch after one year of full-time english
1728530;1508910256;BingoBoingo;Ah, well it doesn't help Spanish's cause that Portugues consonants are much easier for my lazy middle western tongue
1728531;1508912221;lobbes;<davout> there's this, and also the necessity of learning new things, very often people get stuck playing the same things, which mostly reinforces defects, instead of seeking new and different stuff to work on for a bit << this makes sense. Explains why I notice my improvising getting 'stale' after a few consecutive days of practicing only to be 'revitalized' after a break. Almost helps to clear that mental buffer of 'go-to musical phrases'
1728532;1508912221;lobbes;every so often
1728533;1508914126;mircea_popescu;lobbes daily is the key of human activity. if you're not doing something daily, you can't properly say you're doing it.
1728534;1508914148;mircea_popescu;whatever it may be, working out to be a boxer, reading poetry, picking your nose. daily or getout.
1728535;1508914214;BingoBoingo;Which is why "We diditReddits" are "dreamers"
1728536;1508914232;mircea_popescu;eh, those poor schmucks...
1728537;1508914291;BingoBoingo;Only thing they do daily, other than abusive attempts at self love
1728538;1508914332;shinohai;Even tho mircea_popescu gave me that God account, i spend little time on reddit:/
1728539;1508914574;mircea_popescu;!!up shpx
1728540;1508914575;deedbot;shpx voiced for 30 minutes.
1728541;1508914585;mircea_popescu;shpx do me the courtesy and stop join/parting.
1728542;1508914801;*;BingoBoingo discovered EIRELI and investor's visa apparently mutually exclusive
1728543;1508915066;BingoBoingo;Looks like it's time to chat up OkCupid and camhos
1728544;1508915078;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728494 << this is neato; but otoh, welcome to asciilifeform's 'won't load by ip' kolhoz
1728545;1508915078;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 02:39 deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ << The Whet - A Compendium of Possibly Helpful Stuffs for Erecting Mircea Popescu's WordPress with Nearly Free Speech Hosting
1728546;1508915198;asciilifeform;but yes it is pretty straightforward.
1728547;1508915252;asciilifeform;hint for hanbot et al : use midnight commander's ssh mounter .
1728548;1508915300;asciilifeform;( can edit, copy, move, diff, etc remote files over ssh, beats the shit out of trad scp unless you're doing something automated )
1728549;1508917681;mircea_popescu;msg chanserv OP #trilema
1728550;1508918077;mircea_popescu;!!up heha
1728551;1508918078;deedbot;heha voiced for 30 minutes.
1728552;1508924512;shinohai; !~poll would you have sex with this midget http://s28.postimg.org/gglszr5jx/40573351_23.jpg ?
1728553;1508938996;phf;a lulzy phishing attempt got through my spam filter http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Fr8gO/?raw=true
1728554;1508939186;phf;the address that they want payment already had two .055 transactions, so quite possibly people are biting https://blockchain.info/address/12SvNEQq1y2gffUpJCGtwgzjjgDrZVor6L drained into https://blockchain.info/address/1HA7Qe2LCq7mb2YVewpM2PCA1dsjWN3MhE
1728555;1508939428;shinohai;http://archive.is/MGFQB  <<<Achtung!  To a Thousand-Year Reich! [~]D
1728556;1508940092;mod6;pff
1728557;1508940093;mod6;hola
1728558;1508940586;shinohai;k tal mod6
1728559;1508942082;mod6;nada mucho!
1728560;1508942097;mod6;!!up jessie_
1728561;1508942098;deedbot;jessie_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1728562;1508942580;shinohai;hai jessie
1728563;1508943338;jessie_;hello
1728564;1508943670;jessie_;so, i will keep plain and simple: if I wake up bound with a thick rope on a table, find out that i'm kidnapped, then some angry and sadic russian appears and yells to me "give me the private keys or i'll cut off your dick". What is the most effective exit move aimed to keep both the btc and the possibility to happily ejaculate again?
1728565;1508945543;lobbes;"I will know when u read this letter, I put
1728566;1508945543;lobbes;special tracking pixel in it. This time is sufficiently only to finish all
1728567;1508945543;lobbes;verifications and transaction, so you have to think rapidly."
1728568;1508945560;lobbes;goddamn this client's line-breaks
1728569;1508945575;lobbes;but pretty lulzy phf
1728570;1508947760;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728564 << cyanide tooth
1728571;1508947760;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 15:01 jessie_: so, i will keep plain and simple: if I wake up bound with a thick rope on a table, find out that i'm kidnapped, then some angry and sadic russian appears and yells to me "give me the private keys or i'll cut off your dick". What is the most effective exit move aimed to keep both the btc and the possibility to happily ejaculate again?
1728572;1508947781;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, save the last round in the chamber for yerself
1728573;1508947797;asciilifeform;or what, jessie_ , you wanted a magic pill with 0 down side ?
1728574;1508947837;asciilifeform;this is not particularly different scenario from 'gimme the location of artillery battery or will cut off yer nuts' from last century or whenever
1728575;1508947856;asciilifeform;!#s coke machine
1728576;1508947857;a111;73 results for "coke machine", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=coke%20machine
1728577;1508947862;asciilifeform;^ see also threads.
1728578;1508947894;asciilifeform;and wai a russian!!?! this is sexiprivilegiraciacist!111
1728579;1508948005;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heningerlandia, http://archive.is/iA4rk >> 'Traffic from any VPN using FortiOS 4.3.0 to FortiOS 4.3.18 can be decrypted by a passive network adversary...' etc
1728580;1508948029;asciilifeform;^ another probable phuctor crib
1728581;1508948070;asciilifeform;it mildly annoys asciilifeform that he provided these vermin with a self-setting table cloth for years on end
1728582;1508948125;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform's timis photoset is nao toobig for just 1 ps0t, will prolly turn into N-part series
1728583;1508948197;mircea_popescu;!!up jessie_
1728584;1508948198;deedbot;jessie_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1728585;1508948199;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728554 << 0.21 nao!
1728586;1508948199;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 13:46 phf: the address that they want payment already had two .055 transactions, so quite possibly people are biting https://blockchain.info/address/12SvNEQq1y2gffUpJCGtwgzjjgDrZVor6L drained into https://blockchain.info/address/1HA7Qe2LCq7mb2YVewpM2PCA1dsjWN3MhE
1728587;1508948207;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1728588;1508948232;mircea_popescu;sup
1728589;1508948250;asciilifeform;much, but i'ma keeping log spittle to min.
1728590;1508948314;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728554 << no beggar who wasn't a retard from california on his first day out "public arts"ing ever put down an alms bowl without some money in it.
1728591;1508948314;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 13:46 phf: the address that they want payment already had two .055 transactions, so quite possibly people are biting https://blockchain.info/address/12SvNEQq1y2gffUpJCGtwgzjjgDrZVor6L drained into https://blockchain.info/address/1HA7Qe2LCq7mb2YVewpM2PCA1dsjWN3MhE
1728592;1508948365;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728564 << ejaculation is over-rated.
1728593;1508948365;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 15:01 jessie_: so, i will keep plain and simple: if I wake up bound with a thick rope on a table, find out that i'm kidnapped, then some angry and sadic russian appears and yells to me "give me the private keys or i'll cut off your dick". What is the most effective exit move aimed to keep both the btc and the possibility to happily ejaculate again?
1728594;1508948449;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728579 << gotta love how it's always "this usg agency scammed you, because it was called mp global AND NOT BECAUSE IT WAS AN USG AGENCY!!11"
1728595;1508948449;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 16:13 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heningerlandia, http://archive.is/iA4rk >> 'Traffic from any VPN using FortiOS 4.3.0 to FortiOS 4.3.18 can be decrypted by a passive network adversary...' etc
1728596;1508948464;mircea_popescu;i'm sure it's the magic numbers 4.3.0 and 4.3.18 that are at fault ; naught else.
1728597;1508948521;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728585 << if either of you will be so kind to point out to the schmuck he can make 0.02 each by writing on gf tits, i'll be much obliged.
1728598;1508948521;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 16:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728554 << 0.21 nao!
1728599;1508948670;jessie_;i made that statement because yesterday night i had a nightmare were i was basically kidnapped
1728600;1508948721;asciilifeform;you need better nightmares, jessie_
1728601;1508948738;asciilifeform;i was hanging out with kim III in bestkorea in mine
1728602;1508948749;asciilifeform;in usa.
1728603;1508948763;jessie_;and then when the sadic russian picked the chainsaw to cut my dick in a very gory way i woke up
1728604;1508948798;mircea_popescu;jessie_ the obvious approach is to see if playing bottom isn't very satisfying. as orson scott card well points out, the only way to survive temptation is to yield to it.
1728605;1508948808;mircea_popescu;check out the local gay bar and see what comes of it.
1728606;1508948963;jessie_;my thought was: if i give out the bitcoins, they are lost for god and then, in the middle of nowhere, the kidnapper could do some sadic game to get full satisfaction
1728607;1508948990;mircea_popescu;nevermind that. dreams are psychanalitically meaningful, not directly interpretable.
1728608;1508949046;mircea_popescu;fun fact : vast majority of girlies mp has enslaved to date enjoyed kidnapping-and-rape dreams during pubescence.
1728609;1508949055;mircea_popescu;this because... hurr durr, a vast majority of all females do.
1728610;1508949086;jessie_;if i do NOT hand out the privkeys, well, i will sacrifice my dick, suicide a couple of days after, but also being acclamated as the "moar deflation guy" on reddit and gain a lot of karma points
1728611;1508949089;mircea_popescu;castration-and-rape is probably just nature's way of suggesting you try the female lobe of sexuality on for size.
1728612;1508949241;jessie_;how much a girlie earn for beign enslaved?
1728613;1508949287;mircea_popescu;they become wiser.
1728614;1508949303;jessie_;a win win situation
1728615;1508949309;mircea_popescu;quite.
1728616;1508949511;asciilifeform;i get woodchipper dreams, what's that mean
1728617;1508949527;asciilifeform;that time to use woodchipper lobe ?
1728618;1508949559;mircea_popescu;eh, you're still anally fixated, no sex for you yet. probably should declutter your workplace.
1728619;1508949590;jessie_;http://swordandscale.com/the-sadistic-halloween-slaying-of-shirley-lynette-ledford/
1728620;1508949590;asciilifeform;lol my current workspace is one of those spiffy hotel lappy chairs
1728621;1508949600;mircea_popescu;ah, you dreamed this recently ?
1728622;1508949628;jessie_;this has nothing to do with my nightmare, but actually i have made the kidnapping nightmare exactly after reading this
1728623;1508949657;mircea_popescu;jessie_ are you done with teh attention whoring and ready to actually do something useful, or rather are you done with the attention whoring and ready to move on ?
1728624;1508949673;jessie_;i'm ready to move on
1728625;1508949678;mircea_popescu;cya.
1728626;1508950005;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu , what did that massive abandoned factory by the river, make ?
1728627;1508950024;mircea_popescu;all factories were by a river. which one ?
1728628;1508950428;BingoBoingo;In other woodchipper dick slashings: Senator Jeff Flake not seeking reelection in Arizona. Make Great Great Again!
1728629;1508950503;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 45°45'39.1"N 21°15'25.0"E
1728630;1508950571;mircea_popescu;o noes do you know how to conver this ? ima go ask the romanian signals intelligence brb.
1728631;1508950577;asciilifeform;lolly
1728632;1508950619;asciilifeform;it dun have a name, how else to point to it.
1728633;1508950635;mircea_popescu;i believe that was housing not factory.
1728634;1508950655;asciilifeform;it was screamingly a factory
1728635;1508950663;asciilifeform;and next to it, across the river, another.
1728636;1508950708;asciilifeform;traditional window panes, suggestive furniture visible through the massive holes in the wall ( didja use'em for bazooka practice or wat ), etc
1728637;1508950709;mircea_popescu;ah ah i see. yeah.
1728638;1508950713;mircea_popescu;iirc the one across was originally a mill eventually grain storage ; and this one textile something.
1728639;1508950732;asciilifeform;hm for some reason i immediately pictured 'ro kalash maker'
1728640;1508950740;mircea_popescu;nah. ro kalash maker is at cugir.
1728641;1508950754;asciilifeform;oh and nao that i think about it, still in business last i saw.
1728642;1508950758;asciilifeform;so can't be it.
1728643;1508950766;mircea_popescu;oh btw, did you see the medieval afore-the-walls inn yet ?
1728644;1508950779;asciilifeform;i saw the turkish turret turned meat processing plant
1728645;1508950781;asciilifeform;is that it ?
1728646;1508950797;asciilifeform;( next to it btw was a cat bordello, pet enjoyed )
1728647;1508950798;mircea_popescu;nah. there's a large square building dominating what's know the "fabric" neighbourhood.
1728648;1508950810;mircea_popescu;it was one of the largest of its kind, and very emblematic for the period too
1728649;1508950820;asciilifeform;maybe not seen yet
1728650;1508950825;mircea_popescu;(medieval gates were a big deal, much like today's airports. most people had to sleep somewhere)
1728651;1508950833;asciilifeform;i did see massive, astonishingly victorian abandoned water tower thing
1728652;1508950840;asciilifeform;( with windows... )
1728653;1508950852;asciilifeform;i can't quite fathom wai so much abandoned real estate
1728654;1508950860;asciilifeform;why nobody bought ?
1728655;1508950860;mircea_popescu;the item has what was clearly an open hall on the ground floor, then drinking rooms above, then actual rooms for sleeping above-er, decorations on the roof (to be seen from distance by travellers) and everything
1728656;1508950874;asciilifeform;can haz coords ?
1728657;1508950878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not worth anything. timisoara is dead as a going concern, a local detroit.
1728658;1508950882;asciilifeform;i'd buy !!
1728659;1508950890;mircea_popescu;so go, buy.
1728660;1508950898;asciilifeform;they're selling ?!
1728661;1508950903;asciilifeform;or are they argentinian-selling.
1728662;1508950923;asciilifeform;i'd buy in toyota truck price range.
1728663;1508951001;asciilifeform;( also dun you gotta be a member of europistan to buy ? or is this a n00b notion )
1728664;1508951079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just have someone take you down "bulevardul 3 august 1919". you will come to a plaza where the tramlines split. facing it, on your right is this block-sized building. the plaza has some items of interest also.
1728665;1508951079;asciilifeform;also what's the brasspoleinbangkok-factor of this place ? ( i.e. say i buy something, will it be full of gypos when i get back to fill it up ? )
1728666;1508951115;mircea_popescu;yup.
1728667;1508951131;asciilifeform;what does gypo-removal go for ?
1728668;1508951133;mircea_popescu;you don't buy without artillery in the vicinty.
1728669;1508951144;mircea_popescu;it can't be had. why the fuck do you think it's dead as a going concern ?
1728670;1508951165;mircea_popescu;"people rights" === zero land value.
1728671;1508951203;asciilifeform;dunno, i see city full of happy folx in near-sparta-grade physical shape, 0 vermin, fine phood, parks open all night, etc
1728672;1508951216;mircea_popescu;your determinations are very poor quality.
1728673;1508951219;asciilifeform;not a detroit, unless in some subtle moral sense
1728674;1508951220;mircea_popescu;there's plenty of vermin.
1728675;1508951243;mircea_popescu;whether romanians are happy is an open matter. gypsyes are notoriously happy, for what that's worth.
1728676;1508951246;asciilifeform;i mean bipedal vermin
1728677;1508951251;asciilifeform;they're not detectable here
1728678;1508951260;mircea_popescu;point is, they're useless, which is what we're discussing when capital goods are to be bought.
1728679;1508951269;mircea_popescu;!!up alex__c
1728680;1508951270;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
1728681;1508951279;mircea_popescu;dja still not figure out how to do that ?
1728682;1508951280;alex__c;hi
1728683;1508951301;asciilifeform;the streets are swept, the german shop is stocked with prime high octane cheeses etc. what else 'use' i need.
1728684;1508951324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, for instance there's 0 people from timisoara in l1.
1728685;1508951329;asciilifeform;there's a doctor to set broken arm, an undertaker to put me in the earth, etc.
1728686;1508951338;mircea_popescu;sure. enjoy!
1728687;1508951378;asciilifeform;what does a white d00d have to do to get europistan passport anyway
1728688;1508951395;asciilifeform;full megabenjie ? half ? or wat was it
1728689;1508951411;mircea_popescu;i'd be surprised if that much.
1728690;1508951414;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> they're not detectable here << It's just the US conditions you to more overt visual indicators
1728691;1508951419;mircea_popescu;heck, marry some local, you're good.
1728692;1508951430;asciilifeform;other than this
1728693;1508951431;mircea_popescu;even if you impregnate her out of sheer perversity the result won't cost 100k.
1728694;1508951490;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform were you looking for cheap or weren't you ?
1728695;1508951493;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> full megabenjie ? half ? or wat was it << 100 kiloEuro and 10 jobs
1728696;1508951511;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 10 jerbs with 'people with rights' prolly > 100k
1728697;1508951512;mircea_popescu;cheap is marry local, fuck her until pregnant, divorce her a year later, pay court ordered 600 lei/mo or w/e until you forget.
1728698;1508951525;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And there's the scam
1728699;1508951546;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it ain't cheap if it requires physical wurk
1728700;1508951617;mircea_popescu;i don't right off recall what the rules for the lazy were. get local lawyer ask him
1728701;1508951652;asciilifeform;i can already picture it, suppose mircea_popescu ran an auto dealership, someone walks in asks for cheapest engined wheelbarrow , mircea_popescu answers 'over there, is a mine, spend 60 yrs there, you will have enough salt to trade for some iron blanks, and then....'
1728702;1508951664;mircea_popescu;hey.
1728703;1508951687;mircea_popescu;the "legal" approach will take longer and require more work, you're just new in this world and don't understand how the state works yet.
1728704;1508951715;mircea_popescu;but as a general rule of thumb, whenever a fiat govt is involved, sensible isn't.
1728705;1508951758;asciilifeform;'Видишь, там на горе / Возвышается крест: / Под ним - десяток солдат, / Повиси-ка на не - ем... / А когда надоест, / Возвращайся назад / Гулять по воде со мно - ой...'
1728706;1508951765;mircea_popescu;as BingoBoingo well points out, THAT IS THE SCAM.
1728707;1508951880;asciilifeform;i did the passport thing in usa and know 'how state worx'
1728708;1508951907;BingoBoingo;At least Brazil has "platinum" plan where 500,000 Reals ~150-200kilodollars gets visa without hires on assumtion you're gonna be spending
1728709;1508951948;BingoBoingo;Anyways the big difference in how fiat authorities self present is whether they call themselves competent authorities or reasonable authorities
1728710;1508952123;BingoBoingo;Everythig beyond that is details and rapelust
1728711;1508952140;alex__c;checked out of curiosity.. for a Romanian passport you need Ro citizenship.. and in turn, you can get citizenship after 8 years of having lived here
1728712;1508952147;alex__c;+ some other assorted requirements
1728713;1508952173;asciilifeform;wouldn't they throw ya out some time before 8yrs
1728714;1508952187;asciilifeform;like they used to mexicans in usa
1728715;1508952190;BingoBoingo;^ The other catch
1728716;1508952193;asciilifeform;1 traffic stop, yer done ?
1728717;1508952207;alex__c;or, it's 4 years if you 'invest' in Romania at least 1`000`000 euro lol
1728718;1508952213;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Just apply for political asylum
1728719;1508952216;asciilifeform;lol
1728720;1508952227;asciilifeform;me an' the other 400mil usaschwitzers, totally
1728721;1508952239;BingoBoingo;alex__c: How many hires does 1,000,000 invested require?
1728722;1508952266;asciilifeform;if i had a megabux i'd just live on that and try to stay out of police station
1728723;1508952336;alex__c;can't find any further explanation on what investing means, and how to prove it
1728724;1508952373;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from experience, no. i had girls overstay their tourist visa by years.
1728725;1508952394;mircea_popescu;the whole system is constructed to catch the poor. if your girls dun need to work, dun need to apply for anything to any govt office, they can stay forever.
1728726;1508952430;asciilifeform;can buy warehousen with tourist visa ?
1728727;1508952447;mircea_popescu;buy a warehouse as personal property ?
1728728;1508952452;mircea_popescu;they don't have corps where you're from ?
1728729;1508952478;asciilifeform;actually no, they only have transparent-to-usg mockeries where i'm from
1728730;1508952488;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1728731;1508952569;mircea_popescu;as a general rule you don't want personal property registered with the fiatistans.
1728732;1508952579;asciilifeform;they dun have obummer and his army of pet mexican illegals here, you prolly gotta show passport to get mains current etc
1728733;1508952590;mircea_popescu;personal property is for bitcoins, women, actually valuable things.
1728734;1508952597;mircea_popescu;warehouses and crap, own through juridical persons.
1728735;1508952648;asciilifeform;this , as often in mircea_popescu threads, is like asking a swallow for air travel advice.
1728736;1508952656;asciilifeform;'just flap yer wings, idjit'
1728737;1508952672;asciilifeform;'but i haven't got wings' 'slice lengthwise!1!!'
1728738;1508952673;mircea_popescu;what portion of this appears to you innate ?
1728739;1508952674;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Find pretty girl lawyer in RO, marry her
1728740;1508952703;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo if you can find a pretty female lawyer that wants to be married in ro, i wanna hear about it lmao.
1728741;1508952730;asciilifeform;and when i want to move again, what, marry some moar ? afaik this only works in arabistan
1728742;1508952737;mircea_popescu;"find young liberal petrus in south africa!"
1728743;1508952743;asciilifeform;lol
1728744;1508952746;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Fine, chain smoking motorcycling girl lawyer with clearly near expiration date that takes you to passport time.
1728745;1508952783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, if you're not staying a full year, you don't need any of this ; if you are, that's plenty of time to marry-and-divorce.
1728746;1508952797;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, why not. Passports don't expire for 10 years. Not like there's seekrit transnational marriage police if you aren't Catholic.
1728747;1508952865;asciilifeform;to give some colour to the picture, asciilifeform walked on street and on a light pole was commonplace ad for flat for sale, 40kiloeur
1728748;1508952882;mircea_popescu;bout what it costs.
1728749;1508952883;asciilifeform;i.e. toyota
1728750;1508952895;mircea_popescu;hey, you can have a house in comparable mittelamerica for same money.
1728751;1508952903;asciilifeform;lol what are you comparing
1728752;1508952908;asciilifeform;liquishitistan to timis ?
1728753;1508952916;mircea_popescu;200k inhabitant town with no culture and no perspectives.
1728754;1508952916;asciilifeform;walmartiola to actual food /
1728755;1508952933;mircea_popescu;akron, you understand, is a metropolis compared to bucharest.
1728756;1508952939;asciilifeform;where is this cultured perspectivistan mircea_popescu went to ?
1728757;1508952942;asciilifeform;i'd like to visit.
1728758;1508952952;alex__c;Cairo probably
1728759;1508952959;asciilifeform;white folx only plox.
1728760;1508952962;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> to give some colour to the picture, asciilifeform walked on street and on a light pole was commonplace ad for flat for sale, 40kiloeur << What they cost over here.
1728761;1508952964;mircea_popescu;hey, didn't i personally take you to teh naked girlies club of ba ?
1728762;1508952970;asciilifeform;that's perspective ?!
1728763;1508952971;asciilifeform;culture ?!
1728764;1508952973;mircea_popescu;yes.
1728765;1508952982;mircea_popescu;naked women in public is the cornerstone of anything i'd call culture.
1728766;1508952985;asciilifeform;culture is when i can shit in the bowl franz joseph shat in.
1728767;1508952992;mircea_popescu;no, that's muleture.
1728768;1508952995;asciilifeform;lol
1728769;1508953001;BingoBoingo;OMG ANAL FIXATION-ULTURE
1728770;1508953006;mircea_popescu;lmao
1728771;1508953012;asciilifeform;deliberate example.
1728772;1508953030;alex__c;at any rate, rent price in Timisoara has been going up in the past 1-2 years
1728773;1508953052;BingoBoingo;What mircea_popescu has a visual fixation to make up for color blindness? asciilifeform has anal fixation because has to poop in shitty toilets sans gold
1728774;1508953052;asciilifeform;one thing i haven't found yet, is the gallows where they must be hanging the corn syrop peddlers. because it is absent here 100% , i can taste, smell its absense, and it is orgasmic.
1728775;1508953078;mircea_popescu;anyway, evidently we diverge in how we evaluate biosacks. but that's fine, timisoara could really use some foreign cash inflows as it is.
1728776;1508953105;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they use ukrainian beet sugar instead.
1728777;1508953116;asciilifeform;to me that's actual sugar.
1728778;1508953119;mircea_popescu;you keep claiming to hate 'em ukrs, but i have mah doubts.
1728779;1508953125;asciilifeform;i'm half an ukr lol
1728780;1508953137;mircea_popescu;i knew it was psychotisable!
1728781;1508953155;*;asciilifeform introduced at one point as 'half j00 half antisemit'
1728782;1508953172;mircea_popescu;oh, you're a jew on top of everything ?!
1728783;1508953179;mircea_popescu;i thought being from odessa was only code in russian.
1728784;1508953181;asciilifeform;aha is in the l0gz
1728785;1508953186;mircea_popescu;scandalous.
1728786;1508953190;asciilifeform;compleate with j00visa from usg
1728787;1508953200;mircea_popescu;i don't know if we can be friends anymore.
1728788;1508953212;asciilifeform;( they imported'em for some yrs, nobody to this day knows for what )
1728789;1508953216;BingoBoingo;!!up alex__c
1728790;1508953216;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
1728791;1508953235;asciilifeform;i expect it was to boil and make some new plastic, but plan got mistracked
1728792;1508953250;BingoBoingo;!~later tell pete_dushenski OMG you and alf can now Mitzvah!
1728793;1508953251;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1728794;1508953251;asciilifeform;1985-2000 iirc.
1728795;1508953267;mircea_popescu;iirc it was because they heard rachel's a total slut.
1728796;1508953271;asciilifeform;gottabe
1728797;1508953277;mircea_popescu;THAT utterly misfired.
1728798;1508953312;asciilifeform;fwiw the j00establishment(tm)(r) is still powered by old-style puritanizedj00z
1728799;1508953313;mircea_popescu;turns out, rachel's only a total slut in the warsaw ghetto. take her to california beach, she's a total nag.
1728800;1508953338;asciilifeform;the imports largely went to seed ( engineering school and other unwomanlies )
1728801;1508953412;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/rocco-and-his-brothers/ << Trilema - Rocco and his brothers
1728802;1508953449;mircea_popescu;evidently.
1728803;1508953609;mircea_popescu;(california beach as in the ny shithole, for the non-natives)
1728804;1508954019;asciilifeform;sooo seems like according to ro ministry of whateverses, the ro equiv. of usa's 'greencard' is given out just-like-that
1728805;1508954027;asciilifeform;( after 'prove that you are not a camel' rituals )
1728806;1508954098;asciilifeform;but naturally this doesn't get the prospective escapee out of usg pederasty, for instance
1728807;1508954135;asciilifeform;( exercise for BingoBoingo and other adventurers : go to a europistani bank and try opening account with usa passport, read the resulting document & weep )
1728808;1508954151;mircea_popescu;for the same money try the same in costa rica roflmao.
1728809;1508954169;asciilifeform;( spoiler : all europistani banks have fulltime politruk to report your every moving penny to guess whom )
1728810;1508954190;mircea_popescu;all usg colonies are ~same in this respect. if you're going to stay within the empire, live in rome.
1728811;1508954206;asciilifeform;they dun do this to the locals lol
1728812;1508954223;mircea_popescu;you keep coming to these insane conclusions.
1728813;1508954224;asciilifeform;only to the marked wretches with the black b00k.
1728814;1508954225;mircea_popescu;how the fuck not ?
1728815;1508954237;asciilifeform;locals pay 1 tax, the orcistani one
1728816;1508954243;asciilifeform;usg cattle pay 2.
1728817;1508954249;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This is what lawyers are for.
1728818;1508954253;mircea_popescu;of course they do this to the locals ; it's just that the locals aren't interesting by default, by virtue of being orc monkeys worth $400 with clothes on.
1728819;1508954265;mircea_popescu;but should locals end up on the receiving payment for renoir, sure as fuck they do.
1728820;1508954297;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: colour the picture for my enlightenment plox, what does this look like
1728821;1508954312;asciilifeform;it's 3% tax for garden-variety chicklet, and what, suddely 40% if renault ?
1728822;1508954318;asciilifeform;renoir
1728823;1508954321;asciilifeform;lol
1728824;1508954364;mircea_popescu;!#s stolen picasso
1728825;1508954364;a111;2 results for "stolen picasso", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=stolen%20picasso
1728826;1508954374;asciilifeform;ah those prolly same anywhere
1728827;1508954379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the discussion was "banks have fulltime politruk to report your every moving penny to guess whom".
1728828;1508954380;asciilifeform;you want picasso, have also icmb.
1728829;1508954383;asciilifeform;icbm
1728830;1508954392;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: lel inb4 we make aliyah
1728831;1508954408;asciilifeform;lollamatic
1728832;1508954409;mircea_popescu;they report it for everyone, citizen and orc alike. just in the case of citizen they report by default ; whereas in the case of orc not.
1728833;1508954410;asciilifeform;paging adlai !!
1728834;1508954420;mircea_popescu;because citizen is worth ~100k by hitler decree ; whereas orc ~500.
1728835;1508954423;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to usg ?!
1728836;1508954426;mircea_popescu;yes to usg.
1728837;1508954435;mircea_popescu;to "coordinate" and whatnot.
1728838;1508954442;asciilifeform;orc still owed 3%
1728839;1508954456;mircea_popescu;see also recent discussion re slovakia. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727511
1728840;1508954456;a111;Logged on 2017-10-21 23:26 mircea_popescu: and here's some lulz for asciilifeform's private "art ownerhsip" collection : femme nue couchee, a courbet knockoff of the maja desnuda goya painting was looted in 45 by the soviets, who displayed it in the manner of truckers, which is to say on a truck tarpaulin. the item was thought lost, but it surfaced in 2000. the owner (possession is 100% of the law!) was accused of being unfit for ownership, as he happened to be slovak
1728841;1508954459;asciilifeform;i dun give half a fuck where reported if all it wants is 3%
1728842;1508954468;mircea_popescu;it wants 100% in all cases.
1728843;1508954487;asciilifeform;i just opened a window and those folx dun look like they've been collected 100% from
1728844;1508954491;pete_dushenski;speaking of fine artz, wasn't the only privately held da vinci painting about to go up for auction ? 1/15 "legit" works. pre-auction estimate $100mn but i dun see how it doesn't go for twice that.
1728845;1508954549;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski considering the current bezzle pressure / overwhelming inflation and the very personal-brand-oriented populace, it will probably be 1bn just to be able to say 1bn.
1728846;1508954573;pete_dushenski;tis a nice round number, that "bn"
1728847;1508954577;mircea_popescu;there's certainly that much needing washing, why miss the opportunity.
1728848;1508954608;mircea_popescu; besides, gotta keep the brass hopes up. lest they http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726224
1728849;1508954608;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 17:34 asciilifeform: 'in the official dachas, amidst the flicker of tv screens and the squal of mosquitoes, the brass agreed that it will be the last generation of brass' or how did limonov put it.
1728850;1508954633;mircea_popescu;MY BATHROOM COULD BUY THE THRONE OF CHINA!!1
1728851;1508954649;mircea_popescu;something to take the sting off my bitcoin buying clinton's jumpsuit.
1728852;1508954662;pete_dushenski;"bn" also pop-famous after justin timberlake / mark zuckerberg facebook movie line "a million dollars isn't cool. y'know what's cool ? a billion" and then they all do shots and blow. but this was 2004 or w/e so 10x today and you're there.
1728853;1508954968;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason is those folks don't have anything anyone wants.
1728854;1508954987;mircea_popescu;i agree with you the anyone has serious problems understanding food, architecture, etcetera. but that's about as far as it goes.
1728855;1508955003;asciilifeform;they have plenty. clean air, for instance. fathom this, mircea_popescu , asciilifeform's sense of smell comes back 2nd day from airplane when he goes here.
1728856;1508955015;asciilifeform;0snot on 3rd day.
1728857;1508955056;asciilifeform;i dunno if this is because 0.5 autos per capita here instead of 2.5, or because they shoot cornsyropists in the head here, or why, but phakt.
1728858;1508955090;asciilifeform;and if retort 'but you can't confiscate clean air', sure they could, china did
1728859;1508955104;asciilifeform;and yet here it is.
1728860;1508955150;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu recall your article re orthodox church ? how it is backbone of a culture, prevents mcdonaldization ?
1728861;1508955158;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727535 << a toast to the foundation
1728862;1508955158;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 00:37 mod6 raises a glass to the 3rd anniversary of The Bitcoin Foundation
1728863;1508955158;asciilifeform;evidently there is something to be said for backbone.
1728864;1508955173;mircea_popescu;orthodox church rather impopular in timisoara.
1728865;1508955206;asciilifeform;where was this place on sunday then ? at cinema ?
1728866;1508955209;pete_dushenski;!~later tell trinque nifty work on deebot payments
1728867;1508955209;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded.
1728868;1508955212;asciilifeform;looked quite emptied
1728869;1508955231;mircea_popescu;you know, http://trilema.com/2011/grozavia-dintre-femei-si-fete/
1728870;1508955275;mircea_popescu;same place amherst, oh goes on sundays, they raise awareness on facebook and watch netflix.
1728871;1508955374;asciilifeform;point being, ~something~ kept the cheese from turning to velveeta, the air -- from americanizing into sooty horror, and the hapsburg square, from disneylandizing
1728872;1508955376;mircea_popescu;the dream of "Everyone a VCR" was finally realised.
1728873;1508955399;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is like saying "something kept the girl from being raped". yes. the absence of the penis. what else ?
1728874;1508955437;mircea_popescu;the habsburg square is a) never getting fixed b) not upkept for 30 years. what keeps it still standing is its origin ; once that gives out it's gone.
1728875;1508955448;asciilifeform;actually it was being fixed as i watched
1728876;1508955450;asciilifeform;i took pics
1728877;1508955452;mircea_popescu;take thee to a walk among the ruins of the old russian barracks in the middle of the town, count the rats.
1728878;1508955459;asciilifeform;several houses already restored, look quite spiffy
1728879;1508955468;mircea_popescu;a ?
1728880;1508955479;asciilifeform;i'ma upload a few , 1s
1728881;1508955488;mircea_popescu;whgat's the rush, can continue once you blogpost.
1728882;1508955841;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/foo.jpg << a 'before' ; a (diff. bldg) 90% complete 'after' >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bar.jpg
1728883;1508955872;asciilifeform;several other houses in burlap, being prepped for same treatment
1728884;1508955918;asciilifeform;there WAS , however, a plaquard somewhere, confessing that all of this is happening on eu grantola.
1728885;1508955927;asciilifeform;BUt it's happenin'.
1728886;1508956009;asciilifeform;'detroit' my shiny metal arse. the basic diff is not even the paint on the bricks, but that these people are people.
1728887;1508956019;asciilifeform;and nowhere in usa is there so much as a small town that's 100% people.
1728888;1508956059;asciilifeform;in fact it is quite illegal in usa to even publicly mention that some people are people, and others not so much.
1728889;1508956060;mircea_popescu;anyway, to revisit the matter of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728843 : adrian sirbu, possibly the only romanian to have done anything since 1989 (he created the deliberate usg tool Pro Tv in 1995, a media company whose wikipedia page no longer mentions him -- very much a successful equivalent of the failed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048), has recently been accused of... you'll guess this not ? TERRORISM!
1728890;1508956060;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 18:01 asciilifeform: i just opened a window and those folx dun look like they've been collected 100% from
1728891;1508956060;a111;Logged on 2017-06-05 16:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666045 << the way the lizards expect the shit to work is exactly in the way mp -saves-openbsd worked : as seen moneyz. recall the story of the us embassy spending a whooping 50k to start an "empire" of fake news tv stations etc ?
1728892;1508956105;mircea_popescu;outside of this guy, and a talented soccer player (adrian mutu) who could have amounted to something but chose hookers and blow instead, there are no actual mp competitors in that country.
1728893;1508956124;asciilifeform;in what countries ~are~ ?
1728894;1508956148;asciilifeform;or are the other mp's made of pure energy, and dun interact with material world
1728895;1508956157;asciilifeform;and not detectable with any instrument in asciilifeform's laboratory.
1728896;1508956186;asciilifeform;neutrino-mp passes through light-year of Pb with 50% chance of nudging a proton, or wat.
1728897;1508956188;mircea_popescu;there's all sorts of oligarchs, in the typical russian fashion, of "here's some government money", from the old guard of http://trilema.com/2012/dan-voiculescu-acest-gunoi-abject/ to the newly invented "media personalities" a la sebastian ghita.
1728898;1508956192;asciilifeform;those ain't mp lol
1728899;1508956205;asciilifeform;those are 'make billion by starting with trillion' lottery orcs lol
1728900;1508956217;mircea_popescu;in between them, laughable if meanwhile expired idiots a la what's his face, lala andrisan's estwhile admirer.
1728901;1508956232;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so the point would seem to be that no, they don't make anything.
1728902;1508956252;asciilifeform;they make breathable air and fine cheese and 3% tax and ... etc eh
1728903;1508956271;mircea_popescu;that isn't made. that hasn't been unmade yet, and there's no actual walls.
1728904;1508956294;mircea_popescu;point in case : all these were sensibly better in 2007 than they are today ; and better still in 1997.
1728905;1508956315;asciilifeform;phun phakt, i walked into a plebian shoe store,
1728906;1508956326;asciilifeform;it had chinese shoes, at first i thought, snoar
1728907;1508956335;asciilifeform;but then noticed that they were ~1990s-grade chinese shoes~
1728908;1508956337;mircea_popescu;but yes, timisoara has automated raw milk dispensing machines. while that lasts, which is to say until some dumb cunt "raises awareness" enough on facebook
1728909;1508956342;asciilifeform;i.e. 2x the sturdy sole
1728910;1508956348;asciilifeform;moar seams, less glue.
1728911;1508956357;asciilifeform;for 3 bux or so / pair.
1728912;1508956357;mircea_popescu;does it actually still ahve those btw ?
1728913;1508956363;asciilifeform;it has'em !
1728914;1508956365;asciilifeform;joiana the cow !!
1728915;1508956377;asciilifeform;it is on my itinerary tomorrow
1728916;1508956379;asciilifeform;to drink from it
1728917;1508956393;mircea_popescu;a cool.
1728918;1508956407;asciilifeform;btw didja know it is banned where i live ?
1728919;1508956410;asciilifeform;in delaware house, i get it
1728920;1508956412;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1728921;1508956413;asciilifeform;but in md nodice
1728922;1508956450;asciilifeform;holy mother of everliving fuck, not only did my smell and taste senses come back , but raw milk !!
1728923;1508956463;mircea_popescu;can make the woman churn butter by hand.
1728924;1508956466;mircea_popescu;it'll be an experience.
1728925;1508956483;asciilifeform;there's only a point to doing so in usa if you can get direct access to a cow
1728926;1508956493;asciilifeform;otherwise you get homogenized white colouring instead of milk
1728927;1508956498;asciilifeform;unless in a few states, and close to farm.
1728928;1508956521;asciilifeform;what is called milk in usa, is similar to what comes of washing the milk pails in normal country
1728929;1508956544;asciilifeform;unfortunately i did not pack a butter churn in suitcase lol
1728930;1508956570;mircea_popescu;take your milk to village museum, use piece lmao
1728931;1508956574;asciilifeform;lol!
1728932;1508956599;asciilifeform;and then put in the ЗИЛ fridge in communism museum!1!
1728933;1508956611;mircea_popescu;on the list of "strangest requests ever made", /me once inquired with museum guard in cluj how much to fuck escort in one of those ancient beds.
1728934;1508956634;asciilifeform;my understanding is that they were not so hot, no springs yet
1728935;1508956681;mircea_popescu;all wood, many layers of thick woolen coverings etc.
1728936;1508956690;mircea_popescu;but whocares, that's what she's for neh ? to absorb the shocks.
1728937;1508956703;asciilifeform;do you ride carts without suspension also lol
1728938;1508956706;asciilifeform;sit on the chix
1728939;1508956712;mircea_popescu;yea, actually.
1728940;1508956719;asciilifeform;horsy has suspension, so dun count
1728941;1508956733;mircea_popescu;similarily asked damsel if she'll lay herself in the mud so i don't have to stain myself fucking her.
1728942;1508956740;mircea_popescu;but this was in the dumbravita forest
1728943;1508956752;mircea_popescu;oh, btw : asciilifeform take pet for a walk. tis nice, maybe you see does.
1728944;1508956756;asciilifeform;i went in the zoo there today btw
1728945;1508956768;asciilifeform;the pisica salbatica was mega-hit
1728946;1508956769;mircea_popescu;i can't stand zoos.
1728947;1508956778;asciilifeform;that one was imho tolerable
1728948;1508956783;mircea_popescu;i can believe.
1728949;1508956802;asciilifeform;the animals had more square metrage than asciilifeform has at home
1728950;1508956806;asciilifeform;i shit thee not
1728951;1508956815;asciilifeform;and it was in the middle of woods
1728952;1508956816;mircea_popescu;of course ? mouse has self respect.
1728953;1508956826;asciilifeform;and next to interesting 'executed by communist' tomb thing
1728954;1508956844;asciilifeform;there were old d00dz there, playing cards
1728955;1508956859;asciilifeform;and some old crone crying on the bench
1728956;1508956892;asciilifeform;prolly wife of one of them rebels nailed in '49 engraved on the plinths or somesuch
1728957;1508956909;mircea_popescu;hey, they were still nailing rebels in the 60s.
1728958;1508956918;asciilifeform;there were also randomly chickens and goats loose in the zoo.
1728959;1508956922;asciilifeform;and hares.
1728960;1508956933;asciilifeform;the guinea pig was absent, already went to the table i imagine
1728961;1508956934;mircea_popescu;sounds pretty good.
1728962;1508957100;asciilifeform;the best thing was, as elsewhere, the clean air and absence of screaming idiots and their spawn ( visit washington's zoo )
1728963;1508957127;asciilifeform;no cocacola, no p.t.barnum and his horrors, none of it, just the tall trees .
1728964;1508957129;asciilifeform;and a few beasts.
1728965;1508957145;asciilifeform;asciilifeform frequented a zoo like this as a kid.
1728966;1508957194;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your point of interest is around 45.0844717 / 21.2666934.
1728967;1508957202;mircea_popescu;pack walking boots.
1728968;1508957230;asciilifeform;that's middle of a field ?!
1728969;1508957240;mircea_popescu;nah, it's between forest and dam.
1728970;1508957249;mircea_popescu;can fish ; can also walk among teh euro trees.
1728971;1508957254;asciilifeform;in serbia ?!
1728972;1508957262;asciilifeform;that's north and east , coords, neh ?
1728973;1508957262;mircea_popescu;um.
1728974;1508957269;mircea_popescu;yes.
1728975;1508957276;mircea_popescu;o damn
1728976;1508957288;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your point of interest is around 45.8044717 / 21.2666934. << restated.
1728977;1508957314;asciilifeform;lol
1728978;1508957336;asciilifeform;ok THAT looks moar like it.
1728979;1508957382;mircea_popescu;if it dun rain, can go for picnic, make day of it.
1728980;1508957408;asciilifeform;i'ma stick a pin at those coords and actually do it, when i have the coveted pad here.
1728981;1508957435;mircea_popescu;conceivably it'll survive a decade or two.
1728982;1508957489;diana_coman;asciilifeform, if you don't mind me asking: where else in Europe have you been for longer than few days?
1728983;1508957594;diana_coman;fwiw raw milk can be had even in the uk and no, it's not terribly expensive/commando mission sort of thing; still, I wouldn't list that as some proof of sanity or anything
1728984;1508957634;asciilifeform;diana_coman: odessa, su
1728985;1508957639;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 950km east of here
1728986;1508957655;asciilifeform;and no i have no remaining desire to go to wahabistan.
1728987;1508957684;asciilifeform;( fr, uk, it, et al )
1728988;1508957709;diana_coman;eh, so hungary, poland, what
1728989;1508957719;asciilifeform;hungary is wahabifying
1728990;1508957720;asciilifeform;as we speak
1728991;1508957730;asciilifeform;poland is ethnic enemy and roundabout shithole
1728992;1508957749;diana_coman;plenty; what I was trying to figure out was why do those specific things seem so extraordinary to you as they are not (yet perhaps) extraordinary around Europe I'd say
1728993;1508957772;asciilifeform;they aren't extraordinary, diana_coman , i lived first 9y of life with'em
1728994;1508957782;mircea_popescu;alf's mental process is always fascinating.
1728995;1508957790;mircea_popescu;whose the fuck are poles ethnic enemies of ?!?!
1728996;1508957820;mircea_popescu;polacca is to this day how you say whore if you're an italian whore who is scared of work and all those who are competent at what they do. which simple means italian.
1728997;1508957840;asciilifeform;lol!
1728998;1508957845;asciilifeform;i had nfi
1728999;1508957870;mircea_popescu;anyway. the principal protector of sane alimentation in europe is not the ro orthodox church, but the "Corrupt" and "lazy" french farming lobby.
1729000;1508957900;mircea_popescu;which, from what i've seen, has little hope of survival past the demise of the few old hardasses pushing it like it were their tmsr.
1729001;1508957914;asciilifeform;yeah yeah eventually the serpent will eat the roots of yggdrasil and all will burn in fire of ragnarok sure.
1729002;1508957920;asciilifeform;i believe, fwiw.
1729003;1508957923;asciilifeform;but today -- not yet.
1729004;1508957946;mircea_popescu;well, narrower than that : london no longer wishes to be taxed ; the eu will survive as a bureaucracy, sure, but what else.
1729005;1508957961;asciilifeform;as agrarian latifundia, as it belongs ?
1729006;1508957964;mircea_popescu;who's gonna pay so that the lake of wine can continue.
1729007;1508957981;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's a fact : no one works the field without a whip.
1729008;1508957991;asciilifeform;whip grows as naturally as the sprouts.
1729009;1508957992;mircea_popescu;they can be happy doing it, sure. they WILL NOT do it of own accord.
1729010;1508958040;mircea_popescu;this is doubtful. the us prohibition / post ww2 eu/jp have shown us the sad truth that manhood is not in fact an inexhaustible, natural supply.
1729011;1508958040;asciilifeform;usa is pile of dead horses, long decayed to bone, covered pile of rusty tractors, long fused solid and brown. i point to healthy stallion, mircea_popescu reminds 'it, too, will die, turn to dust'. yes, it will.
1729012;1508958047;mircea_popescu;in the contrary, very exhaustible and not in any sense natural.
1729013;1508958087;asciilifeform;if it can come back, it will come back here. and not in estrogenized syropistan.
1729014;1508958097;asciilifeform;and if it cannot come back -- bring on the asteroid.
1729015;1508958101;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, the meta-discussin is more about "i want to move there", cognate of "this has a permanent future"
1729016;1508958109;asciilifeform;there are no permanent futures.
1729017;1508958117;mircea_popescu;hm.
1729018;1508958121;asciilifeform;i for one didn't ship from factory with a sticker guaranteeing permanence.
1729019;1508958140;asciilifeform;i'm looking for 20-30 yrs of clean air and cheap roquefort, modest.
1729020;1508958143;mircea_popescu;not guaranteedly permanent future ; but "know no reason proving its impermanence" permanent.
1729021;1508958157;mircea_popescu;you know, like "healthy". healthy is nothing but "no known deadly disease"
1729022;1508958167;diana_coman;!!up alex_c
1729023;1508958167;deedbot;alex_c voiced for 30 minutes.
1729024;1508958176;asciilifeform;fwiw if usa can be put in a drum and buried with other toxic waste in next decade, europe will grow back.
1729025;1508958182;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 2-3 decades seem quite likely, indeed.
1729026;1508958200;asciilifeform;so there we go. asciilifeform is not immortal god, does not have mircea_popescu's engineering constraints!11
1729027;1508958207;mircea_popescu;and historically grow back is kinda what europe always did, so hard to argue against.
1729028;1508958225;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im no immortal god ; i just fuck some.
1729029;1508958227;asciilifeform;when mircea_popescu picks lands, he has to check for volcanism on 10kyr scale etc. must be quite annoying.
1729030;1508958233;diana_coman;!!reputation alex__c
1729031;1508958234;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wT6bM/?raw=true
1729032;1508958253;diana_coman;!!reputation alex_c
1729033;1508958254;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SfK6c/?raw=true
1729034;1508958259;asciilifeform;ok i'ma bbl, gonna go take in the night air and other unspeakables.
1729035;1508958882;mircea_popescu;!!up alex__c
1729036;1508958883;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
1729037;1508958890;mircea_popescu;alex__c which one are you using ? this one ?
1729038;1508958930;diana_coman;!!rate alex__c 1 long time lurking, writes at daimon.me/blog
1729039;1508958933;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1KaZR/?raw=true
1729040;1508958943;mircea_popescu;!!rate alex__c 1 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728097
1729041;1508958943;a111;Logged on 2017-10-24 16:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728075 << http://daimon.me/blog/2017/04/orientul-cel-nu-foarte-indepartat/ item, for teh curious.
1729042;1508958945;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Jn3qG/?raw=true
1729043;1508958953;diana_coman;!!v 8EBEB2832ACEF4A7156255BB1F883D8C4A9A9D0D46E7C276A4A26AF5067DB9F3
1729044;1508958953;alex__c;gotta triple check I have the password saved somewhere
1729045;1508958953;deedbot;diana_coman rated alex__c 1 << long time lurking, writes at daimon.me/blog
1729046;1508958959;diana_coman;!!down alex__c
1729047;1508959064;diana_coman;alex__c, try !!up yourself to deedbot
1729048;1508959166;mircea_popescu;get a load of that!
1729049;1508959177;diana_coman;hey, congrats alex__c
1729050;1508959211;mircea_popescu;diana_coman watch that cipslim next manages to figure out how saudi internets work.
1729051;1508959274;alex__c;thanks diana_coman
1729052;1508959312;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ahaha, judging by activity there might be...lotus next!
1729053;1508959563;mircea_popescu;that ain't happening.
1729054;1508959615;alex__c;I had lotus on facebook, unfriended recently; he still misses Fain if you can believe that
1729055;1508959628;mircea_popescu;easily.
1729056;1508959652;mircea_popescu;hey, maybe alf moves to tm for reals and unearths it lol.
1729057;1508959668;diana_coman;oh hey, that's an idea; asciilifeform ^^
1729058;1508959678;mircea_popescu;im sure i stillo have the dumps somewhere.
1729059;1508959723;diana_coman;I'm quite sure it would be rather easy to get the main old timers back in there to start with too; not that the problem really; good linguistic project too :D
1729060;1508959743;mircea_popescu;not sure why anyone'd bother, but anyway.
1729061;1508959765;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, how's the "meet chicks by offering free bed and breakfast" thing going alex__c ?
1729062;1508959862;alex__c;eh, didn't find one that both me and gf would find attractive
1729063;1508959900;mircea_popescu;considering what it costs tho, not the end of the world.
1729064;1508964132;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> and nowhere in usa is there so much as a small town that's 100% people. << There's one of those nearby. Breese, Illinois. A bit further Pinkneyville, Illinois.
1729065;1508964637;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> hungary is wahabifying << I thought they were the reaction to they point one can have such so close to Prussia.
1729066;1508965553;asciilifeform;chronic walmarteaters aint people, even if white-skinned, BingoBoingo
1729067;1508965569;asciilifeform;far gone.
1729068;1508965573;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They don't have walmarts with USian drive distances
1729069;1508965581;asciilifeform;pigmy moar a people.
1729070;1508965596;asciilifeform;sysco same.
1729071;1508965617;asciilifeform;hell i dunno if asciilifeform any moar counts as a people.
1729072;1508965634;asciilifeform;eat hazmat for 25y and it changes you.
1729073;1508965766;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe try pooping it all out in while playing rotaku
1729074;1508966056;BingoBoingo;In other news, worst case for a company address in Brazil is renting a private office in Paulista neighborhood which runs... $435/month.
1729075;1508967678;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ~same as baltimoristan
1729076;1508967762;BingoBoingo;Saint Louis area more because DoD bezzle
1729077;1508968646;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729056 << where didja bury it, mircea_popescu ? i didn't bring my spade but can get at the shop next to jooanathecow!1,
1729078;1508968646;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 19:27 mircea_popescu: hey, maybe alf moves to tm for reals and unearths it lol.
1729079;1508968679;asciilifeform;btw BingoBoingo will enjoy the husqvarna shop.
1729080;1508968707;BingoBoingo;I prefer racis jap 2-cycle prowess to roll over and ethnic suicide Swedes
1729081;1508968744;BingoBoingo;But Husqvarna has some nice torquey 3-cylinder diesel mini-tractors
1729082;1508968779;BingoBoingo;Or does shop have a more "classic" Husqvarna product line?
1729083;1508968796;asciilifeform;chainsaws mostly
1729084;1508968814;asciilifeform;'find some meat' (tm)(r) 'doom'
1729085;1508968926;asciilifeform;speaking of ethnic suicides, these folx, apparently , aint having one, they're walking with strollers, playgrounds full of chillunz, typical face on street is not older than asciilifeform , etc
1729086;1508968930;BingoBoingo;Ah, the japs over at Echo seem to be doing that better. More aftermarket exhaust availability to rice it up.
1729087;1508968933;asciilifeform;this strictly naked eye survey.
1729088;1508968973;BingoBoingo;When selecting a chainsaw for home defense, exhaust noise is everything.
1729089;1508968996;asciilifeform;lol!
1729090;1508969014;BingoBoingo;Hey, some burglars might miss sound of shotgun cocking.
1729091;1508969036;BingoBoingo;Or they may try hiding behind wall while not leaving premises
1729092;1508969080;BingoBoingo;Burglar must at least be fined the cleanliness of their pants.
1729093;1508969215;BingoBoingo;Easy starting also important, so synthetic 2-cycle fuel pre-mix is a must.
1729094;1508969265;BingoBoingo;Shelf stable for months after opening, years unopened.
1729095;1508969344;BingoBoingo;Not necessary for planned uses like tree cutting, but very important when things go bump in the night
1729096;1508969551;asciilifeform;worx also as gas attack
1729097;1508969562;asciilifeform;sadly from both ends
1729098;1508969588;BingoBoingo;What, you don't keep windows open when sleeping?
1729099;1508969640;BingoBoingo;Anyways, CO poisoning is readily recoverable from
1729100;1508969984;asciilifeform;here's a phun experiment btw
1729101;1508969993;asciilifeform;take a co detector into yer car sometime
1729102;1508970058;asciilifeform;( spoiler : it will never shuddup . which is why car dun come with co detector. and prolly explains something re usa via chronic anoxia )
1729103;1508971010;BingoBoingo;Eh, CO clear system in conscious active person within 8-12 hours. Buy a carton of cigarettes and verify for self.
1729104;1508971052;BingoBoingo;Chronic anoxia more likely related to smoking and being too fat to breathe among USistanis
1729105;1508971115;asciilifeform;other phunphaktz : here ~everyone smokes; and entirely, fully nobody, is fat.
1729106;1508971199;BingoBoingo;Well, smoking and fat aren't very correlated. Food want usually only signaled through 5HT, Nicotine want signaled by lighting ACH receptors on fire.
1729107;1508971246;BingoBoingo;In US smoking is one of those things like gainful employment that tends to cap how fat.
1729108;1508971449;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun just mean 'no scooties', but literally sparta grade, not a gram of excess mass on'em
1729109;1508971470;asciilifeform;like there isn't on a greyhound or a wild fox
1729110;1508971489;BingoBoingo;Well, pedestrian society. You know who also tends not have excess mass like a greyhound? Addicts
1729111;1508971521;asciilifeform;none of these, at least not where naked eye can see'em. though i finally saw a bum. 1.
1729112;1508971630;BingoBoingo;Well, you aren't operating on their schedule
1729113;1508971638;asciilifeform;other items seeming to be absent entirely: screaming or otherwise detectable drunks; barf puddles; spent syringes; signs of breaking and entering; police actually picking anyone up
1729114;1508971661;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at this point i've been around all the major streets at all hours of the clock
1729115;1508971678;BingoBoingo;What about the back alleys?
1729116;1508971688;asciilifeform;this place is maybe the size of 4 typical u.s. university campuses
1729117;1508971723;asciilifeform;various back alleys included , they tend to contain interesting items ( e.g. abandoned synagogues )
1729118;1508971736;asciilifeform;last j00 was gassed some time in 40s
1729119;1508972129;BingoBoingo;Huh, maybe that's it?
1729120;1508972329;asciilifeform;which it
1729121;1508973889;BingoBoingo;The 40s
1729122;1508975906;BingoBoingo;In other lols, D-Wave claims Higgs Boson find
1729123;1508976120;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1729124;1508976126;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5745.97, vol: 12340.37020538 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5723.2, vol: 44807.00926778 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5746.5, vol: 4907.39995367 | Volume-weighted last average: 5729.57070427
1729125;1508977672;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729077 << in some archive somewhere. was going to auction it off but then got annoyed with something in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714557 and simply tabled it instead.
1729126;1508977672;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 21:57 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729056 << where didja bury it, mircea_popescu ? i didn't bring my spade but can get at the shop next to jooanathecow!1,
1729127;1508977672;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 23:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you imagine shit that's dumb when pete_dushenski does it is any less dumb whewn you do it ?
1729128;1508977675;mircea_popescu;!!up fromloper
1729129;1508977676;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1729130;1508977715;mircea_popescu;fromloper what link did you click ?
1729131;1508977802;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729102 << i did this recently because car failed emission tests originally ; no beeps.
1729132;1508977802;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 22:20 asciilifeform: ( spoiler : it will never shuddup . which is why car dun come with co detector. and prolly explains something re usa via chronic anoxia )
1729133;1508977850;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729108 << actually that's human grade. for reals.
1729134;1508977850;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 22:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun just mean 'no scooties', but literally sparta grade, not a gram of excess mass on'em
1729135;1508977889;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729116 << verily. timisoara can be walked on foot in a day.
1729136;1508977889;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 22:48 asciilifeform: this place is maybe the size of 4 typical u.s. university campuses
1729137;1508978062;shinohai;!~later tell danielpbarron ping me when online plox
1729138;1508978062;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1729139;1508985622;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728918 << 'Tis insanity, indeed. Some hobbyist cheese-makers / real-milk enthusists near Amish lands have been known to engage in 'black market' raw milk transactions. FDA regularly sets up sting operations to crack down on the 'contraband': http://archive.is/nfrox
1729140;1508985622;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 18:33 asciilifeform: btw didja know it is banned where i live ?
1729141;1508985749;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729064 << I'd wager there is no such town on the planet. Spend enough time anywhere and you'll find plenty of subhumans. I'm reminded of mini-thread: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652720
1729142;1508985749;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 20:42 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and nowhere in usa is there so much as a small town that's 100% people. << There's one of those nearby. Breese, Illinois. A bit further Pinkneyville, Illinois.
1729143;1508985749;a111;Logged on 2017-05-07 22:41 phf`: give it another 6 months before "puerto ricans are unfit for living"
1729144;1508985841;lobbes;surrounding yourself with 100% people; that is what tmsr is for!
1729145;1508985940;BingoBoingo;Well, tmsr bar is still higher. It is the Republic of Smart people after all.
1729146;1508986272;BingoBoingo;So, it looks like the next thing to come out of Hollywood is pedophile expose.
1729147;1508986402;BingoBoingo;In other microaggressions on campus: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ay8Lw/?raw=true
1729148;1508986538;BingoBoingo;And this explains why the feds were in town yesterday: http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article180810441.html#navlink=SecList
1729149;1508986578;BingoBoingo;Suspects name explains it all: "Mahmoud A. Massoud, 34"
1729150;1508986711;BingoBoingo;!!Up erlehmann
1729151;1508986711;deedbot;erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
1729152;1508987545;BingoBoingo;ty trinque
1729153;1508989054;deedbot;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bS8Vq/?raw=true
1729154;1508989096;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/77BKU/?raw=true
1729155;1508989116;trinque;BingoBoingo: np
1729156;1508989184;BingoBoingo;How were your travels? Have you considered doing a travel/entertainment gig with alf as a sorta first TMSR venture into "reality tv" over irc?
1729157;1508989802;trinque;lol, travels were fine. got to shake ben_vulpes' hand in the flesh for first time in too long.
1729158;1508989811;trinque;good times were had
1729159;1508989829;trinque;I would not rule out traveling with alf and yelling at things.
1729160;1508989857;ben_vulpes;good walking shoes are in order
1729161;1508989918;BingoBoingo;AHA
1729162;1508989980;ben_vulpes;i ~cannot read AHA in caps like that without seeing alf gesture and say it anymore, even this far past c3
1729163;1508991120;mircea_popescu;lol
1729164;1508991120;BingoBoingo;Well, that's a distinct hazard of meeting people and making friends
1729165;1508991141;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1729166;1508991145;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bo8FJ/?raw=true
1729167;1508991381;mircea_popescu;lobbes that's what they get for not using teh wot.
1729168;1508992170;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/talent-triumphant-or-on-empathy/ << Trilema - Talent Triumphant, or : On Empathy
1729169;1508992542;mircea_popescu;hanbot your bot ate my links. anyway, here : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498460
1729170;1508992542;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 01:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile i fished out vintage "classic" and "default" themes : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/classic-themestar.gz
1729171;1508992560;mircea_popescu;and i guess http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498134
1729172;1508992560;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 15:53 mircea_popescu: incidentally : someone writing a tex processor for serenity (ex mp-wp) themes that shinohai can then just import as a standard would be pretty epic.
1729173;1508993641;lobbes;mircea_popescu, it really is a wonderful tool in the serenity belt.
1729174;1508995943;mircea_popescu;word.
1729175;1508996095;mircea_popescu;in fucking epic past lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-24#1352206
1729176;1508996095;a111;Logged on 2015-12-24 19:04 mircea_popescu: "We hired a local operations manager in Denver (Sasha Juliard) and soon launched at Shotgun Willie’s (the highest-grossing strip club in CO) and two other bars. We made about $1,200 on each deal (50% went to DexOne, we spent $800 on each launch event and we had $500 in hardware costs), this was the only sales revenue Flowtab ever made. We were tightening up our sales process, but it was hard to market ourselves prope
1729177;1508996279;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1729178;1508996287;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5767.01, vol: 10184.42248482 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5747.9, vol: 38124.72614312 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5778.8, vol: 3900.45602985 | Volume-weighted last average: 5753.93621512
1729179;1508996308;mircea_popescu;!~calc 25 / 5753.93621512
1729180;1508996309;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 25 / 5753.93621512 = 0.0043448517789102074
1729181;1508996366;mircea_popescu;!~calc 115 / 5753.93621512
1729182;1508996368;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 115 / 5753.93621512 = 0.019986318182986955
1729183;1508996397;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.01998631 1v2bMXrMnewz4myVFoYRnmWteBz9HPqLq
1729184;1508996401;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8yALS/?raw=true
1729185;1508997230;mircea_popescu;and in other good behaviours, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e7b02d41647a73e28b36a7a0d591d8d8/tumblr_nm3fyroZta1tjnnm5o1_1280.jpg
1729186;1508997783;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1729187;1508997784;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 491793 | Current Difficulty: 1.196792694098E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 491903 | Next Difficulty In: 110 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1729188;1509016591;shinohai;R.I.P. Fats Domino http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/drill.jpg
1729189;1509020916;shinohai;http://archive.is/AmajG
1729190;1509023799;*;asciilifeform loaded up on quality clothing, shoes, etc unavailable in usa. funnily, exactly like his father did 30y ago in ro !
1729191;1509024082;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729125 << iirc it was a kind of mechanized reddit..?
1729192;1509024082;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 00:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729077 << in some archive somewhere. was going to auction it off but then got annoyed with something in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714557 and simply tabled it instead.
1729193;1509024146;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729131 << betcha you did it in own parking, or jungle road, lol. the gas comes from ~other~ people’s tailpipes! in traffic jam, in tunnel, etc !
1729194;1509024146;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 00:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729102 << i did this recently because car failed emission tests originally ; no beeps.
1729195;1509024213;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729135 << we’ve been doing 20-30km/day, explored good chunk of it
1729196;1509024213;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 00:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729116 << verily. timisoara can be walked on foot in a day.
1729197;1509024255;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729139 << usg - enemy of all things healthily human
1729198;1509024255;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 02:40 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728918 << 'Tis insanity, indeed. Some hobbyist cheese-makers / real-milk enthusists near Amish lands have been known to engage in 'black market' raw milk transactions. FDA regularly sets up sting operations to crack down on the 'contraband': http://archive.is/nfrox
1729199;1509024344;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729141 << believe or not, none detectable to naked eye. nobody’s smashing things, screaming, barfing
1729200;1509024344;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 02:42 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1729064 << I'd wager there is no such town on the planet. Spend enough time anywhere and you'll find plenty of subhumans. I'm reminded of mini-thread: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652720
1729201;1509024375;asciilifeform;tho i did finally see cops arresting a d00d. seemed as if for: double-parking
1729202;1509024449;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729160 << for perhaps first time in life i have real shoes nao
1729203;1509024449;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 03:50 ben_vulpes: good walking shoes are in order
1729204;1509024504;*;asciilifeform bbl
1729205;1509024506;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I wouldn't say Fain was mechanised really, can't quite see how that would fit
1729206;1509024576;diana_coman;people proposed blog posts they considered worthy (whatever measure they used for it) with link+short description; people could vote on previously proposed links
1729207;1509024631;diana_coman;and talk around them, sure
1729208;1509024694;diana_coman;re barfing in the streets tbh that's in my books a very much western/northern thing
1729209;1509025404;diana_coman;I guess the "mechanised" part about Fain could be the automated grading of *people* based on their activity aka the "karma" points that had quite direct implications re what one could do (even whether they could comment at all)
1729210;1509025590;asciilifeform;sounds like a reddit then ?
1729211;1509025638;asciilifeform;or possibly moar like ‘metafilter’ ( does that still exist..? )
1729212;1509025650;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I'm not very knowledgeable on reddit but I thought it was something where people asked questions and then their comments were voted up/down ?
1729213;1509025665;asciilifeform;no, mostly links
1729214;1509025677;asciilifeform;the question thing was a bolt-on
1729215;1509025765;diana_coman;hm; and does the system rate people/accounts basically? I think that was a crucial part of it like anywhere: if one is useful then one can do as much and what they like; if not,then ...no
1729216;1509025792;asciilifeform;approx. yea
1729217;1509025875;diana_coman;well, approximations can make or kill a thing, but otherwise I guess you can call it that then (though by this token I'm not sure one won't be able to approximate almost any online thing to "a reddit")
1729218;1509026016;diana_coman;as scope iirc fain was restricted to blogs in Romanian, might be worth adding
1729219;1509028674;mod6;mornin'
1729220;1509033200;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729191 << something like that. a gameified blog weighing/commenting platform ; worked as the ~onyl source of bitcoin for romanians for a year or two back when if they had the sense, it'd have meant something. a few did have the sense, most are powered by the same broken rustbox as powers the strippers and other experts in hallucinary freedoms.
1729221;1509033200;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 13:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729125 << iirc it was a kind of mechanized reddit..?
1729222;1509033239;mircea_popescu;it might be useful for the republic once there's enough publishing thoroughput we have to actually consider limiting access to deedbot rss ; that moment is many years away yet.
1729223;1509033305;mircea_popescu;the truth of the matter however is that to a large degree fain was powered by the original web delusion, "oh, lowering barriers to human creativity is what economy is all about". it's not. there's no such thing as "human creativity" in the sense of the general mass, and the barriers are there to keep us from the female wail.
1729224;1509033347;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729193 << well yes, of course.
1729225;1509033347;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 13:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729131 << betcha you did it in own parking, or jungle road, lol. the gas comes from ~other~ people’s tailpipes! in traffic jam, in tunnel, etc !
1729226;1509033355;mircea_popescu;that'd explain it then, such lovely green out here.
1729227;1509033420;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729197 << imagine, you know. contraband cheese sting operations. this is what teh taxpayer wants his money spent on, and somehow no nubbins is on hand to explain better.
1729228;1509033420;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 13:24 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729139 << usg - enemy of all things healthily human
1729229;1509033484;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729201 << oh god almighty, if they only started arresting romanians for bad parking. this is like arresting indians for poor hygiene, or native americans for drunkedness.
1729230;1509033484;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 13:26 asciilifeform: tho i did finally see cops arresting a d00d. seemed as if for: double-parking
1729231;1509033490;mircea_popescu;i hope they give him the chair.
1729232;1509033778;mircea_popescu;aaand in other dollies, http://78.media.tumblr.com/770237a25b80cac9b8f146d9d88792bc/tumblr_mku9s9aT1E1rqv1ypo1_1280.jpg
1729233;1509033943;shinohai;good gawd almity
1729234;1509033956;mircea_popescu;ha-HA!
1729235;1509033979;mircea_popescu;there's more. http://78.media.tumblr.com/40bda38cc3ac7698a4cdd0f22c607cee/tumblr_mku9s9aT1E1rqv1ypo2_1280.jpg
1729236;1509034151;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729208 << amusingly, the same places that permit female drunkedness.
1729237;1509034151;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 13:31 diana_coman: re barfing in the streets tbh that's in my books a very much western/northern thing
1729238;1509034232;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, what would be the link? my obs is that it's more whether drink is something that goes with meal and at any time or just something "special" aka binge idiocy
1729239;1509034274;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729211 << reddit didn't exist at the time we're discussing in any practical sense above "this obscure website some pedos gathered on to exchange their trading cards". it was something in the vein of metafilter i guess, or else something in the vein of digg, or else you know, one of the first sites making the transition from myspace/tripod/facebook to the latter style reddit/facebook/etcetera.
1729240;1509034274;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 13:47 asciilifeform: or possibly moar like ‘metafilter’ ( does that still exist..? )
1729241;1509034288;diana_coman;and at the end of the day more of a measure of balance overall even
1729242;1509034307;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i expect the reason drunks aren't as bothered by puke as the normal human is that they're so used to it. so a direct link might be that the women that habitually drink aren't nearly as likely to clean it up.
1729243;1509034324;diana_coman;I don't see it
1729244;1509034342;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ah, cvas as the rusian notion wasn't contemplated.
1729245;1509034367;mircea_popescu;but perhaps one of the most striking things from my first visit in london, cca 1994, striking enough that i still remember them,
1729246;1509034386;mircea_popescu;was the urine secent and the blind drunk hens. everywhere.
1729247;1509034441;diana_coman;can say same just that blind drunk whatever-sex; the striking part was more how-and-where drunk than sex of idiots
1729248;1509034444;mircea_popescu;prior to that, i think i had seen a drunk woman, in the sense of unable to stand, like twice ? if that. who the fuck drank like the brits, nfi.
1729249;1509034483;mircea_popescu;diana_coman well i had seen numerous rural middle aged males unable to walk. heck, it was the principal activity in the communism's abandoned factories by 94.
1729250;1509034498;mircea_popescu;those schmucks imagined they can just check out, europe's gonna provide. and boy has it provided.
1729251;1509034539;diana_coman;uhm, I've seen rural all-sexes drunk unable to walk
1729252;1509034541;mircea_popescu;at the time they still had the draft ; i was dodging it. people were like ... "hey, there's this special military unit, we get whores and liquor delivered by the truck weekly, you gotta come man."
1729253;1509034548;mircea_popescu;diana_coman a really ?
1729254;1509034554;diana_coman;just that women were usually (as they were at most times anyway) drunk *indoors*
1729255;1509034557;diana_coman;that's all
1729256;1509034560;mircea_popescu;hm.
1729257;1509034575;mircea_popescu;well ok, our experience diverges then, or at least teh memory thereof.
1729258;1509034578;diana_coman;sure, they weren't getting drunk at *same time* as males basically
1729259;1509034585;mircea_popescu;when then ?
1729260;1509034607;diana_coman;when males away/snoring/whatever; I should have said not same place+time I guess
1729261;1509034621;mircea_popescu;but drunk on what, fucking visinata ?
1729262;1509034624;diana_coman;possibly same time, just ..separate places; if at same place then they would rather be sober yeah
1729263;1509034631;mircea_popescu;diabethes comes before inebriation.
1729264;1509034631;diana_coman;pshew; tuica, what else
1729265;1509034643;diana_coman;or rachiu rather as tuica gone
1729266;1509034651;mircea_popescu;man... where the hell was this ? not even in teh viseu have i seen drunk ladies, and those bitches drank.
1729267;1509034657;diana_coman;baragan
1729268;1509034659;mircea_popescu;ah. hm.
1729269;1509034699;diana_coman;as I said: they were gathering at one's home, women only and...drink
1729270;1509034699;mircea_popescu;is female drunkedness culturally permitted in teh south ?
1729271;1509034746;diana_coman;not encouraged in public I'd say, as such; fwiw I did not actually drink almost at all while I was in Ro ; possibly because I saw those, who knows
1729272;1509034755;mircea_popescu;this is a large matter ; people don't generally realise it, but there's a large push, socially, towards things. for instance, in transylvania, my girls got REGULARILY approached, by EVERYONE, all the time. "not to sit on concrete -- won't be able to have children ; not to go barefoot -- won't be able to" and so on and so forth. woman gotta be henpecked!
1729273;1509034765;diana_coman;but in any case: I've never seen barfing in the street until I got to the west
1729274;1509034795;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, one of the main complaints of foreign girls was "wtf why do they spit in the street!!!"
1729275;1509034800;mircea_popescu;which they do.
1729276;1509034814;diana_coman;eh, that was still everywhere; and yeah, I even got approached when with child: he's too cold! he's too hot! why is he /isn't he...
1729277;1509034832;mircea_popescu;o yeah, kids is like the boss level.
1729278;1509034847;mircea_popescu;"omg he's going to fall" "bitch, go make one then you can worry about it. this one can fall."
1729279;1509034893;diana_coman;when he was too little to talk I would just say he's fine, thank you or shrug mainly; now I can let him reply and usually he innocently floors them anyway so win
1729280;1509034908;mircea_popescu;ahaha. cool.
1729281;1509034909;mircea_popescu;but anyway, if it's not female drinking, then what is it ?
1729282;1509034921;diana_coman;as I said: lack of balance overall really
1729283;1509034928;diana_coman;so they don't drink AT ALL during the week
1729284;1509034945;diana_coman;but then on Friday they drink anything and everything and FAST
1729285;1509034952;mircea_popescu;ah. exactly how they go blind drunk at 21 because random magic nuymbers and crash into a pole ?
1729286;1509034965;mircea_popescu;not a bad theory.
1729287;1509035012;diana_coman;and well, they don't know how to drink either - no surprise since no practice with sane people
1729288;1509035020;mircea_popescu;alternatively urban hostility i suppose could be the culprit. there's some trilema pointing out how "this projects dweller dude is taking time out of his time off to fix a bench in the little sandy park in front of his concrete matchbox ; baltimore projects dude would just sit by pole glaring at traffic".
1729289;1509035091;mircea_popescu;diana_coman in this vein was lulzy thing at lesbian club, chick is "i have no idea why i'm getting so drunk ?!?" "you keep drinking" "what ?! it suddenly hit me like... wtf." "you keep drinking." "what do you mean ?"
1729290;1509035105;mircea_popescu;"i think they slipped me a mickey"
1729291;1509035110;mircea_popescu;lulz of all time.
1729292;1509035169;diana_coman;lol!
1729293;1509035220;diana_coman;maybe; the other part of it (which I don't know if it's just my sample bias or what) is that in the north drink is a sort of crutch: southerners I know can act crazy without drinking ; northerners...can't ; so when want-to-crazy-need-to-drink
1729294;1509035222;mircea_popescu;you know ? "what could it be". well doh. "even males will lose it if they pound shots. you're good for maybe a 100 per hour, if well trained."
1729295;1509035234;diana_coman;theoretically emotional crutch, but not sure what exactly
1729296;1509035242;mircea_popescu;an excuse to "act out of character" ?
1729297;1509035244;diana_coman;aha
1729298;1509035256;mircea_popescu;if this were the case latin america would be one huge boozing.
1729299;1509035266;diana_coman;uhm?
1729300;1509035273;diana_coman;no, latin america southerners
1729301;1509035274;mircea_popescu;these people REALLY need a crutch. they don't manage to ever lose it.
1729302;1509035275;diana_coman;they can without drink
1729303;1509035281;diana_coman;eh, no
1729304;1509035288;mircea_popescu;diana_coman how south ? argentina is shockingly script-following.
1729305;1509035288;diana_coman;it's not about losing it
1729306;1509035337;diana_coman;it's about decoupling rational more though this is already nonsense put as such
1729307;1509035341;mircea_popescu;i dunno. in other counterexamples, all the finns i know are actually pacified by vodka. all fucking irritable otherwise.
1729308;1509035354;diana_coman;again, pacified or violent has nothing to do with it!
1729309;1509035358;mircea_popescu;hm.
1729310;1509035382;diana_coman;basically the northerner can't hug you if he feels like it unless drunk
1729311;1509035386;mircea_popescu;well not lose it, not pacified/violent... what's "out of character" mean ? becoming fairies ?
1729312;1509035395;diana_coman;he can't probably stab you either for that matter
1729313;1509035398;mircea_popescu;hug you or hug me ?
1729314;1509035408;diana_coman;both, either, lol
1729315;1509035412;mircea_popescu;hm.
1729316;1509035431;mircea_popescu;i have very much noticed they can't talk to girls at all these days, wherein a coupla decades ago couldn't without a coupla shots.
1729317;1509035441;diana_coman;whether he hugs or stabs when drunk is a matter of what ails him; but whether he can do it whatever it is , is the point
1729318;1509035463;mircea_popescu;tis possibru.
1729319;1509035957;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729212 << no that thing is experstsexchange. reddit originated as a sort of fark, "look at this cool pic" tho it originally was more like original wikipedia, "look at this cool pic of a 6 yo with her mother's toenail polish bottle up her snatch" ; migrated into a sort of livejournal "write lengthy pieces of nonsense so everyone's tulpas can pompously opine on it" sometime in the mid 2010s.
1729320;1509035957;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 13:47 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not very knowledgeable on reddit but I thought it was something where people asked questions and then their comments were voted up/down ?
1729321;1509036008;mircea_popescu;kinda the perpetual bait and switch of "world changing" silicon valley "businesses" in the "industry" aka websites for the rest of the world, still vying for the supposedly valuable "UGC". except for the part where there's no ugc nor would it be valuable, all's well.
1729322;1509036129;mircea_popescu;there's this ancient http://trilema.com/2011/cred-ca-pe-alocuri-se-exagereaza/#selection-67.167-67.603 making roughly the same point : "there's no such thing as user generated content because the content generators aren't your users, they're content generators ; and your users aren't content generators, they're users, and not even that dedicatedly yours."
1729323;1509036346;deedbot;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9VqRm/?raw=true
1729324;1509037199;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the bait and switch thing. reddit started life as a sort of 4chan with a jump, ie the little girl's not on the page, but you have to click. this wasn't accidental, because their phase 2 ("growth phase" eh) consisted of the exact value proposition : add your crap to reddit, watch people click on it. once growth stopped they dropped the bait, switched to "we will control the conversation in this ever-so-importan
1729325;1509037199;mircea_popescu;t space", in the hope they'll achieve usg agency status. which went nowhere, but then again there's no such thing as a buried corpse in socialism. it's not just craig wright that's still perambulating ; the original founder of webvan is still about. his business idea ? WEB POWERED DELIVERY OF GROCERIES! yes, 20 years later. no such thing as a burian in socialism.
1729326;1509037487;mircea_popescu;meanwhile facebook started as a "put your crap on this alt-myspace and check out the large numeric values printed to GOOD THING". basically, facebook was one of those "webvisitors counters" except in a more skinner-y scheme. recently they dropped the bait and are essentially trying to capitalize on what's known in economy as stickiness, the exact same psychological tendency as discussed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefi
1729327;1509037487;mircea_popescu;eld-of-the-future/#footnote_3_53044 : "oh you used to get large values of GOOD ITEM freely ? well no more. would you like to pay us to get them again ?"
1729328;1509037512;mircea_popescu;which they imagine is an "advertising model", but it's directly and quite evidently a burning of the couch.
1729329;1509037611;mircea_popescu;and the examples could continue, SV has been trying to move away from "content generation" into "real world performance", with major blow-ups like groupon ("sign up for free meals and if we get a lot of you we'll try and parlay this into a sort of communist walmart"), or with slow-burning shitpiles like uber, airbnb etc. in the end, the same truth controls : you've no user-generated real world performance because the real wor
1729330;1509037611;mircea_popescu;ld performers are not your users, and "your" users aren't either performers or yours.
1729331;1509037665;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1729332;1509037665;mircea_popescu;the similar "technology! science!" gamification of the democrat party failed "surprisingly" to everyone in the "technology! science! mit is the foremost institution in the world without running water!" camp, but otherwise doh.
1729333;1509037668;mircea_popescu;hola asciilifeform
1729334;1509037735;*;mircea_popescu innocently tried to comment on logline, ended up writing a book.
1729335;1509037757;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729222 << i picture that at that time there will be a meaningful l3+ ecosystem
1729336;1509037757;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 15:53 mircea_popescu: it might be useful for the republic once there's enough publishing thoroughput we have to actually consider limiting access to deedbot rss ; that moment is many years away yet.
1729337;1509037781;asciilifeform;and that reddits, as a class (i.e. system designed for rando-rando interaction) dun really have a role
1729338;1509037787;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite exactly.
1729339;1509037820;asciilifeform;well not a role in tmsr, at any rate. potentially as a sort of kindergarten, or slave pit, where you can see the heads and pick out promising larvae potentially
1729340;1509037886;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's still an open thread god damned it. so re "in the hope they'll achieve usg agency status" above : the final socialism, usg's "ourdemocracy" came up with a gamified nationalization process : they naturally confiscate the domain leaders in all domains, under the guise of you know, "pension fund investments" and "consumer protection law enforcement". ie, there's a faux money and a faux legal prong which make sure
1729341;1509037887;mircea_popescu; that if your google is successful, your google belongs to usg. which it was, and does.
1729342;1509037935;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729227 << there's a 2010s pc game, where you preside over generic 'iron curtain' apartment block, and get various orders from kgb, e.g. 'root out tenants who read english books', but also had 'apples have been prohibited, storing or eating them is punishable'. i immediately pictured fda.
1729343;1509037935;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729197 << imagine, you know. contraband cheese sting operations. this is what teh taxpayer wants his money spent on, and somehow no nubbins is on hand to explain better.
1729344;1509037937;mircea_popescu;the process was apparently well received by "the society", which is to say poor people. exactly like in the original nazi and soviet implementations. except while in the first two the elite actually fled, in this last one the elite is playing the inept game of "i wonder if i can make a steelworks so successful hitler actually steals it from me".
1729345;1509037951;mircea_popescu;which is shockingly dumb, and also what tmsr is intended to end.
1729346;1509037953;asciilifeform;( 'beholder' if anyone gives a shit, i saw it by sheer accident )
1729347;1509038007;mircea_popescu;but in any case, the process is wildly successful -- the whole "oh noes, corporate responsibility, banks stole our money" went exactly nowhere FOR THE EXACT REASON the usg "banks" play the role of the soviet planning committee. such can do no ill, by definition of state in socialism, and so... they WILL be rescued, with "money" freshly printed.
1729348;1509038018;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect that this switch followed inevitably from ' i just want to get rich because comforts ' switch
1729349;1509038027;asciilifeform;( from 'i will get rich because fuck you and esp your daughters' )
1729350;1509038039;mircea_popescu;whenever the poor get a voice, the world goes to shit and socialism is what's left.
1729351;1509038044;asciilifeform;d00d whose steel works get nationalized -- gets token payoff, warm place to shit
1729352;1509038047;asciilifeform;and that's all that, e.g., brin, wanted
1729353;1509038048;mircea_popescu;aha.
1729354;1509038084;asciilifeform;'money as in infinite ice cream' vs 'money as in control of means of production' or how did old trilema put it.
1729355;1509038110;mircea_popescu;anyway. the situation is not stable, in the sense usg can't administer all this immense government with huge industrial interests in everything. which is why even china is giving it a run for its money.
1729356;1509038112;asciilifeform;hitler is giving the infinite icecream lottery winner, ostensibly exactly what he wanted.
1729357;1509038126;mircea_popescu;problem is what you want and what you need are rarely the same.
1729358;1509038130;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1729359;1509038153;mircea_popescu;myeah. anyway, so that's a round statement of the story, in that it's not missing anything but details.
1729360;1509038271;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729229 << d00d was some sort of german whatever GMbH courier. inside atrociously parked van was a wife-like thing, looking on
1729361;1509038271;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 15:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729201 << oh god almighty, if they only started arresting romanians for bad parking. this is like arresting indians for poor hygiene, or native americans for drunkedness.
1729362;1509038353;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729238 << usa is set 100% to 'binge' mode
1729363;1509038353;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 16:10 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what would be the link? my obs is that it's more whether drink is something that goes with meal and at any time or just something "special" aka binge idiocy
1729364;1509038355;mircea_popescu;in other lulz from alf's latest love, http://spynews.ro/actualitate/foto-alerta-in-timisoara-un-barbat-arestat-a-fost-ajutat-de-trecatori-sa-fuga-147038.html
1729365;1509038400;asciilifeform;lol rubber shooter
1729366;1509038403;asciilifeform;so ru
1729367;1509038409;asciilifeform;so 1998
1729368;1509038415;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1729369;1509038486;asciilifeform;they dun believe in normal pistol or wat
1729370;1509038499;mircea_popescu;eh, kids. what do they know.
1729371;1509038527;asciilifeform;iirc in ru rubber-shooters vanished after it was made clear that penalty is exactly same if 'patient' bites it
1729372;1509038541;asciilifeform;( which, interestingly, is not unlikely at sword range )
1729373;1509038574;asciilifeform;possibly phf can add moardetail.
1729374;1509038592;mircea_popescu;the thing with romania is that essentially there isn't a penalty for anything. just please don't fucking do it.
1729375;1509038616;asciilifeform;lol
1729376;1509038618;mircea_popescu;now, this worked fine in the 90s, when the statal motherly "please don't do it" was backed by my "motherfucker if i see you again ima use you for fish bait".
1729377;1509038627;mircea_popescu;these days... slowly decaying into the usual french fare.
1729378;1509038647;asciilifeform;this is not visible to naked eye here. i do have 14 hrs of bucharest planned so maybe will see it there.
1729379;1509038687;mircea_popescu;well it wouldn't be visible to teh naked eye of civillian in a day.
1729380;1509038701;asciilifeform;oh you betcha it is visible in dc or nyc or chicago
1729381;1509038707;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i do beleive that;'s the only way to run things. heck, romania has NO JAIL for vehicular manslaughter to this fucking day, iirc.
1729382;1509038709;asciilifeform;not even mentioning baltimoristan
1729383;1509038722;mircea_popescu;this sort of thing WORKS. and it did work. and it made for pleasant police and happy sluts everywhere.
1729384;1509038767;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform usg took opposite tack : instead of allying with underworld elite to keep underworld wanna-bes harmelss, it allied with underworld wannabes to "remove corruption" bla bla. as a result they got the orc cycle, as well explained by lafond and many others.
1729385;1509038781;mircea_popescu;where the only incentive is to be an idiot, aged 16 to maybe 19, as you won't live to 30 anyway.
1729386;1509038804;asciilifeform;this notional decay, from asciilifeform's unarmed eye it is 100% notional, i went to a motherfucking tiled market thing today, bought cheese that was actually cheese, old women shoved delish samples, all in all maybe 400 grams, in my face, and put it on bread from next stall that was actually bread, and ate it by the canal side, and sat next to randos on bench, and nobody harrassed, robbed, or even
1729387;1509038810;asciilifeform;was loud or annoying
1729388;1509038813;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu have any idea how atypical all of this is for usa ?
1729389;1509038825;asciilifeform;or the fact that the air smelled like pines and not like exhaust, or shit, or mcfood ?
1729390;1509038832;mircea_popescu;yes. the place you describe, btw, is prolly "bad curtain" mentioned afore.
1729391;1509038838;asciilifeform;it was
1729392;1509038844;mircea_popescu;and yeah, all visitors agree. INCREDIBRU!!1
1729393;1509038882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, here's where pantsuit idiots a la "sam the more romanian than you" get it wrong. the REASON!!! there's nobody annoying, harassing, robbing etc is... guess ?
1729394;1509038892;asciilifeform;also for BingoBoingo , ben_vulpes , other usaschwitz inmated, i will point out that the experience cost me about $2 .
1729395;1509038924;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have only foggy notion of the reason, beyond 'no welfaristan, so no niggers'
1729396;1509038928;mircea_popescu;https://kingofromania.com/2013/06/19/mr-saxo-beat/ << grep for "low level warfare".
1729397;1509038945;mircea_popescu;the FACT that poor people are not protected from assault by the state means that poor people are pleasant and polite.
1729398;1509038975;mircea_popescu;and in general -- the less protected the poor, the more useful and pleasant the poor. and vice-versa. the worst thing you can do for a place is "prosecute assault" on the non-elite.
1729399;1509038976;asciilifeform;this is entirely believable
1729400;1509038987;mircea_popescu;it'd better be believable, seeing how it's factual.
1729401;1509038990;asciilifeform;and is the common thread of civilized life everywhere
1729402;1509038995;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1729403;1509039000;asciilifeform;from old england , for what it was worth, to old japan
1729404;1509039019;asciilifeform;it's believable in the newton's laws sense .
1729405;1509039063;asciilifeform;'The guy can get his day in court if it wasn’t he who did this but I’m damned glad to see the Romanian general public take her side in this and not just laugh it off.' << waaat
1729406;1509039073;asciilifeform;holy fuq why haven't they thrown this d00d out !
1729407;1509039093;asciilifeform;i was reading the citizenship rtfm talmud and it said clearly, 'threats to national serenity can be kicked out' or what was it
1729408;1509039112;asciilifeform;if this fruit ain't it, then who is.
1729409;1509039130;asciilifeform;( speaking of author of quoted item , in case not obvious )
1729410;1509039131;mircea_popescu;the only problem is that they kick out the threats to usg.
1729411;1509039137;asciilifeform;like who
1729412;1509039140;mircea_popescu;afaik the only one to ever get hassled by that was rogozin.
1729413;1509039150;asciilifeform;he was a ru member of parliament neh
1729414;1509039157;mircea_popescu;afaik deputy pm
1729415;1509039160;asciilifeform;designated hate object
1729416;1509039166;mircea_popescu;designated by whom
1729417;1509039172;asciilifeform;by usghitler naturally
1729418;1509039177;mircea_popescu;kinda my point.
1729419;1509039205;asciilifeform;agents of foreign crowns are traditionally fair game for 'nongrata' tho, neh
1729420;1509039219;mircea_popescu;except this was in no sense romanian.
1729421;1509039231;mircea_popescu;how about they kick out a few ustards ?
1729422;1509039235;asciilifeform;it isn't as if they'd kicked out some independent d00d
1729423;1509039268;mircea_popescu;the entirety of the objection is that rogozin was nongrata in washington not in bucharest.
1729424;1509039270;asciilifeform;lol the time to kick ustards was prolly before the time of letting usg army division occupy the sea shore, eh
1729425;1509039275;asciilifeform;aah well yes
1729426;1509039294;mircea_popescu;anyway. they also "let" russian army division occupy same. romania's very letty.
1729427;1509039328;asciilifeform;small countries either get larger or do good bit of 'letting' neh
1729428;1509039335;asciilifeform;swiss 'let' germany.
1729429;1509039344;mircea_popescu;well... poland tried not letting, ended up partitioned how many times ?
1729430;1509039348;asciilifeform;aha
1729431;1509039368;mircea_popescu;poland about twice the size. at least ideally.
1729432;1509039429;*;asciilifeform fiddles with the terminal to the tune of pet practicing ro-fu
1729433;1509039446;*;asciilifeform also found the 'black market' today, where gypsies sell questionable shit, lotsa lulzy pics
1729434;1509039462;mircea_popescu;where is this ?
1729435;1509039470;asciilifeform;pieces ripped out of comps, mobos, house mains sockets, rando pieces of sov equip, b00kz ..
1729436;1509039480;asciilifeform;next to the vegetable market
1729437;1509039483;mircea_popescu;mmm. that's a flea market you.
1729438;1509039490;asciilifeform;well yes i grew up with one
1729439;1509039505;asciilifeform;early '90s odessa 'old horse market' sold from live rabbits to icbm guidance block components
1729440;1509039513;asciilifeform;i'd beg father to take me there every saturday
1729441;1509039537;mircea_popescu;lol
1729442;1509039548;mircea_popescu;yeah, actually, the flea market was a major component of ghetto jew identity.
1729443;1509039556;asciilifeform;but here is was hilarious how obviously filched some of the items were -- wireless 'house' phones with only handset, no base, faceplates of car stereos, etc
1729444;1509039557;mircea_popescu;(the jewish ghetto is an older item than the german state, for the record)
1729445;1509039559;asciilifeform;cheap jewelry
1729446;1509039593;mircea_popescu;it's this fascinating "market of the world". great item to have nearby.
1729447;1509039602;asciilifeform;this place apparently is judenrein so gypsy folx had to pick up the slack.
1729448;1509039632;mircea_popescu;plenty of elderly blue collar ro, im sure.
1729449;1509039641;asciilifeform;them too ! in overalls !
1729450;1509039649;asciilifeform;look like just escaped from su wall posters
1729451;1509039654;asciilifeform;only missing item is sledge
1729452;1509039687;asciilifeform;i immediately thought of the rhyme
1729453;1509039692;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486093 << subj
1729454;1509039692;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 01:18 mircea_popescu: "mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba."
1729455;1509039702;mircea_popescu;before "vintage" was a thing i used to buy girlies gifts from teh very place. there's something heartwarming about 90yo woman yielding whatever old clock to 16yo hussy for a pataca.
1729456;1509039702;alex__c;unsure if you're talking about Aurora/Flavia or some other flea market
1729457;1509039704;asciilifeform;'muncii fara scula'
1729458;1509039717;mircea_popescu;alex__c i expect he just ran into the badea cirtan ad hoc extension.
1729459;1509039760;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's in alley right before piaza traian
1729460;1509039763;mircea_popescu;well, not THE very place, but cluj had its own, "oser".
1729461;1509039770;asciilifeform;on 3 aug '19 boulevard
1729462;1509039772;asciilifeform;aah
1729463;1509039788;mircea_popescu;!~google de la foisor pin' la piata traian
1729464;1509039789;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 55 best Plimbări Urbane images on Pinterest | Romania, Strada and ...: <https://www.pinterest.com/ideiurbane/plimb%25C4%2583ri-urbane/>; 5 traseu Foisor - Traian Linia bulevardului | Plimbări Urbane ...: <https://www.pinterest.com/pin/403987029045303250/>; Marinica si Doru de la Foisor -Fratii mei - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DOHaixpZ-R7Q>
1729465;1509039815;mircea_popescu;google you suck wtf.
1729466;1509039921;alex__c;http://www.versuri.ro/versuri/pasarea-colibri-strada-popa-nan-_p7d2.html
1729467;1509039927;mircea_popescu;aha.
1729468;1509039949;mircea_popescu;IT IS SUPPOSED TO GET THE JOKE
1729469;1509039969;mircea_popescu;i read it all about alphabet inventing ai, playing go, errythang.
1729470;1509040004;alex__c;that's still in beta mkay
1729471;1509040057;mircea_popescu;all they ever make is betas.
1729472;1509040234;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform : there's a 50% chance native speaker fails to note that refrain. ITS FUCKING HARD.
1729473;1509040974;asciilifeform;wai wat's hard
1729474;1509041070;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CK7x5dJfhI <
1729475;1509041087;asciilifeform;aa
1729476;1509041757;asciilifeform;neato
1729477;1509042654;*;asciilifeform is gonna have to buy another trunk, to carry the sov-era kidz bookz in ro, ceaucescu hat, misc. lulzolade, home
1729478;1509042727;asciilifeform;phunphakt, asciilifeform's relatives dun believe the tale 'though it be told unto them', they have ro burned into rom as bucharest circa 1980 or so
1729479;1509043821;mircea_popescu;heh.
1729480;1509043941;mircea_popescu;i suppose for the same money i shall pretend russia is == gorky.
1729481;1509044007;asciilifeform;many ameritards actually pictured 1980s su as 50s, ask asciilifeform re how was gulag etc
1729482;1509044020;asciilifeform;balalaika, bear, reactor !
1729483;1509044024;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1729484;1509044154;mircea_popescu;in other similarily meaningless lulz, http://sashat.me/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/loopol-01.png
1729485;1509044320;mircea_popescu;(dude has various digested-obscura, like say https://sashat.me/2017/06/03/roman-roads/ ; arguably the pinnacle cultural product of the web era)
1729486;1509044369;mircea_popescu;on cursory examination the item is actually well researched and correct.
1729487;1509044492;asciilifeform;notbad.jpg
1729488;1509044505;mircea_popescu;quite instructive, too. as per that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-10#1723583 observation, the absence of a connection between v. carpata and v. domitiana at either romula/tomis or apulum/istrus has a lot to do with there being such a thing as "moldavia"
1729489;1509044505;a111;Logged on 2017-10-10 01:45 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : so us rail gauge is 1435 mm. why ? because the first us rail was built by english immigrants, who kept to the english style. but why was the english style 1435 mm ? because rail started as (horse drawn) trams, and that was the gauge they used. but why ? because when they made trams they just used the old horse carriage gauge, by reusing the same tools. but why did carriages use 1435 mm gauge ? because if they
1729490;1509044584;mircea_popescu;whereas the via aurelia and its derivations to this day the basis of "european union".
1729491;1509044588;mircea_popescu;and so following.
1729492;1509044669;asciilifeform;‘when you go by the via aurelia, ad thousands have traveled before, remember the luck of the soldier, who never saw rome any more...’
1729493;1509044674;asciilifeform;(kipling)
1729494;1509044683;mircea_popescu;also the ~best piece i ever read on russian post-soviet collapse : https://sashat.me/2017/05/28/will-moscow-ever-stop-growing/
1729495;1509044706;asciilifeform;‘Legend has it that every civilization is given a certain number of saecula by the gods. The Romans lasted for 24 saecula, the Ancient Egyptians held on for 30.’
1729496;1509044721;asciilifeform;( https://sashat.me/2017/07/27/in-saecula-saeculorum/ )
1729497;1509044729;mircea_popescu;is this by the old definition, seculum "until everyone present dies off" ?
1729498;1509044741;mircea_popescu;it is. heh.
1729499;1509044817;asciilifeform;aha
1729500;1509044917;mircea_popescu;basically, very strong signs of argentinization in the ex-soviet lands.
1729501;1509044938;asciilifeform;in what sense
1729502;1509044971;mircea_popescu;in the sense of ending up with a humongous buenos aires full of lazy parasites expecting to live off govt handouts and an entirely undevelopped interior of humonmgous size.
1729503;1509044984;mircea_popescu;argentina is like 2x the size of all europe. its internal development is comparable to the island of corfu.
1729504;1509044998;mircea_popescu;this "collapse into the capital" is major bad news.
1729505;1509045002;asciilifeform;ru is pipe-powered, not mega-seekrit
1729506;1509045014;asciilifeform;and recall thatcher’s formula.
1729507;1509045046;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason you suspect "europe will grow back" is strictly because every 20 miles a church steeple. exactly like egypt's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-23#1727932 but for richer people.
1729508;1509045046;a111;Logged on 2017-10-23 17:41 mircea_popescu: AND throughout the egypt that i've seen, they to this day have clay pots with water in the shade every quarter mile or so on the road. notwithstanding that yes you can buy bottled water and did i share that pic of the desert dhl ?
1729509;1509045072;mircea_popescu;russia has no "a road within walking distance anywhere you walk". it should, to survive.
1729510;1509045101;asciilifeform;in ru, historically, culture == city
1729511;1509045116;mircea_popescu;except that city was leningrad.
1729512;1509045133;asciilifeform;from peter to lenin
1729513;1509045166;mircea_popescu;us had a similar dynamic, with the unwashed irish tards landing in ny to be shipped to fight against the south while the precious cuntlets were kept under wraps in boston.
1729514;1509045194;asciilifeform;but yes my understanding is that moscow is where western wreckerz dispense the bags of moolah; ergo growth ‘with yeast’. possibly phf can add detail.
1729515;1509045209;mircea_popescu;this is a bigger problem for putin than anything else.
1729516;1509045230;mircea_popescu;heck, getting the precious cuntlets to move to kazakstan was a major problem for everyone, stalin, khruschev, etc.
1729517;1509045251;mircea_popescu;afaik only trotsky sorta-managed, but too dumb to realise what he was doing or capitalize on it.
1729518;1509045288;asciilifeform;they tried double pay for the far east
1729519;1509045304;asciilifeform;asciilifeform’s father went, for a spell
1729520;1509045312;mircea_popescu;pay, as numerously discussed in teh forum, ain't the pill.
1729521;1509045332;mircea_popescu;romans used the more adequate neckchain. sorta-worked.
1729522;1509045339;mircea_popescu;notrly tho.
1729523;1509045343;asciilifeform;verily pay dunwork
1729524;1509045373;mircea_popescu;we have a similar problem in teh republic, at that. #trilema overgravity renders #castles impracticable yet.
1729525;1509045389;asciilifeform;castles?
1729526;1509045405;mircea_popescu;i expect there's going to be a lively THAT before there's any need of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729223
1729527;1509045405;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 15:55 mircea_popescu: the truth of the matter however is that to a large degree fain was powered by the original web delusion, "oh, lowering barriers to human creativity is what economy is all about". it's not. there's no such thing as "human creativity" in the sense of the general mass, and the barriers are there to keep us from the female wail.
1729528;1509045418;asciilifeform;aaah like mod6’s
1729529;1509045424;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, #asciilifeform #mod6 so on
1729530;1509045425;mircea_popescu;yes.
1729531;1509045451;asciilifeform;there isn’t , i suspect, even 1% of the people, or the traffic pressure yet
1729532;1509045465;asciilifeform;to make such a thing urgent itch
1729533;1509045474;mircea_popescu;but the similarity is there : we don't yet get that many rss links to need to build a more complicated pipe ; just as we don't yet get that many new speakers so as to need to build a skirt there either.
1729534;1509045505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. there may never be, actually, seeing how the vast majority of those who stumble in are dumb in the classical sense, ie, mute.
1729535;1509045521;asciilifeform;i still find this a puzzle
1729536;1509045524;mircea_popescu;why ?
1729537;1509045553;asciilifeform;because typical idjit is a nevertiring chatterbox in meatspace
1729538;1509045592;mircea_popescu;typical idiot can't get in here much like typical lamb can't eat tatched roofing.
1729539;1509045600;asciilifeform;hm.
1729540;1509045637;diana_coman;mircea_popescu Bucharest is also some 6 times if not more the size of next town in ro, isn't it? not sure if that says much though in itself
1729541;1509045664;mircea_popescu;diana_coman depends how you count ; but in any meaningful sense bucharest is a minor player to cluj, brasov et co.
1729542;1509045710;diana_coman;asciilifeform, typical idiot *runs* like crazy away from here even if he somehow stumbles in for a second (he'll try hard not to though as it's cheaper on his own self-esteem and whatnot)
1729543;1509045714;mircea_popescu;the russian school of medicine is in moscow, see, not in kiev.
1729544;1509045728;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, eh now; by the same token as the maps: population+growth in population
1729545;1509045744;mircea_popescu;well now ima have to look at the demographic geography of it.
1729546;1509045762;asciilifeform;eh in su times plenty of dispersion, school of paratrooper was in kaunis, say
1729547;1509045779;mircea_popescu;ahahaha really, brasov is 250k ?
1729548;1509045787;mircea_popescu;dude the official romanian statistics are worthless.
1729549;1509045796;diana_coman;myeah, why I did not cite numbers
1729550;1509045802;diana_coman;because I looked and ...wtf!
1729551;1509045803;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1729552;1509045824;mircea_popescu;then again, these are the same people who couldn't produce a count of suines in the country
1729553;1509045830;mircea_popescu;(not privately held -- FARM HELD)
1729554;1509045835;diana_coman;well, remember I had to scrap the bac data and then the ministry statisticians were getting it on the sly from my blog?
1729555;1509045849;mircea_popescu;poor darlings.
1729556;1509045853;diana_coman;so then, official statistics in ro are worse than non-existant, what
1729557;1509045874;diana_coman;uhm, *whose* darlings again
1729558;1509045875;diana_coman;?
1729559;1509045883;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. i hold that the situation is not similar in ru and ro ; neither the evolution / trends. but this will have to be as first hand word of god, because there's no better available.
1729560;1509045908;mircea_popescu;diana_coman it is said the lord of the jews has a special foible for idiots. at least so discovered the current (jesuit) pope.
1729561;1509045926;diana_coman;I don't know enough on RU to say much at that level really so...
1729562;1509046149;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform hasn’t even ~been~ to yeltsinized ru...
1729563;1509046210;diana_coman;in any case and fwiw since I happen to know this tidbit, gospodin Medvedev did open (and I don't mean cutting the red tape sort of open but rather pouring the money & bringing in people from abroad sort of open) tam-tam big uni and all that in Tatarstan some years ago already rather than next to Moscow and I seriously doubt it was *not* part of a wider-range development plan
1729564;1509046229;mircea_popescu;im sure htey're trying.
1729565;1509046239;mircea_popescu;the chinese are also trying, what with their empty towns and whatnot.
1729566;1509046254;mircea_popescu;contrary to the socialist delusions, papica is not the pill.
1729567;1509046331;asciilifeform;ro is blessed with a capital that nobody wants to live in because hat man wrecked it and filled with hruschebas
1729568;1509046356;mircea_popescu;this is not exactly so. the extremely snot-nosed transylvanians didn't want to move there in 1850, either.
1729569;1509046394;mircea_popescu;and the moldavians even put it in writing, "shit-eating faces like they eat nothing but fungus". also cca 1850.
1729570;1509046457;asciilifeform;interesting
1729571;1509046493;mircea_popescu;during the communist time, the "repartitie" (approx, warrant) was a major instrument of social control. basically : to dwell anywhere, you had to get a job there. to get the job, you had to a) go to school and then, be ... sent to it, ie "destined", repartizat.
1729572;1509046541;mircea_popescu;these were an important item therefore, and obviously urban such sought in preference of rural. except, in general people from cluj wanted one in cluj or else you know, turda, rather than the (nominally, at least) more valuable bucharest one.
1729573;1509046607;mircea_popescu;so in this sense there's a ready measure, in the proper-est term : the black market value of the country capital warrant was under the black market value of the local capital warrant in most places.
1729574;1509046657;mircea_popescu;not so in southern moldavia ; rural dobrogea ; eastern old kingdom (oltenia etc). which is how bucharest ended up massively overrepresenting the olteni (ceausescu himself was from a village there)
1729575;1509046661;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, locals wanted local, what
1729576;1509046671;mircea_popescu;diana_coman aha.
1729577;1509046675;diana_coman;I don't really know of someone from Bucharest who wanted Cluj either
1729578;1509046682;diana_coman;or Iasi or Constanta even
1729579;1509046690;mircea_popescu;90s brought a lot of georgians into moscwo, but this very unrelatedly to stalin's patrilinearity, i suspect.
1729580;1509046722;mircea_popescu;diana_coman amusingly, they rarely got them, either. they got rural shitholes a la you know, georghe-gheorghiu-dej or vulcan or w/e the fuck jewels of socialism that no longer exist.
1729581;1509046767;diana_coman;well, as far as I know from older people it was mainly either permanent rural shithole or otherwise shitty temporary mini-jobs in some town
1729582;1509046777;mircea_popescu;(they also got dar-al-salaam and so on, of course, tirgoviste ended up shipped there as engineers much in the way rahovei got exported to afghanistan a coupla decades later)
1729583;1509046780;diana_coman;obv,unless pcr to move to town in max 2 years or something
1729584;1509046787;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1729585;1509046838;diana_coman;onth there were pockets of "I'll hold onto whatever good engineers I get" a la IAR ghimbav
1729586;1509046858;diana_coman;for as long as there was a person who did precisely that
1729587;1509046867;mircea_popescu;yes. there were strong attractors, the kalash factory, the cluj/bucharest/brasov/iassi ITCs etc.
1729588;1509047022;mircea_popescu;the bucharest "bourgeois economic studies" thing, there's a dozen or so.
1729589;1509051709;BingoBoingo;Oh my, much lawgs and numbers to digest this evening
1729590;1509052428;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729571 << same as ye olde su
1729591;1509052428;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 19:34 mircea_popescu: during the communist time, the "repartitie" (approx, warrant) was a major instrument of social control. basically : to dwell anywhere, you had to get a job there. to get the job, you had to a) go to school and then, be ... sent to it, ie "destined", repartizat.
1729592;1509053282;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the chinese are also trying, what with their empty towns and whatnot. << Oh, China just held a big presser on Sinicizing region and Make Asia China Again
1729593;1509053455;BingoBoingo;and Making Asia China Again means those weird extremist gentile followers of the late Jew King are a national security threat
1729594;1509053687;ben_vulpes;> the substantive point is that we do not, at present, have a theory of inflation dynamics that works sufficiently well to be of use for the business of real-time monetary policy-making
1729595;1509053695;ben_vulpes;awwww, it's hard, isn't it.
1729596;1509053705;ben_vulpes;http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/monetary-policy-without-working-theory-inflation/
1729597;1509053999;asciilifeform;for so long as it is verboten to include the screamingly obvious printolade-via-fractionalreserve thing, yes, can have as many epicycles as they feel like
1729598;1509054785;BingoBoingo;!!up AndreaGuzman
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1729602;1509055172;AndreaGuzman;hola BingoBoingo
1729603;1509055186;BingoBoingo;Tudo bem?
1729604;1509055217;AndreaGuzman;si todo bien BingoBoingo lol
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1729608;1509055244;AndreaGuzman;lo hice!!!
1729609;1509055252;BingoBoingo;Parabens! Eu seu bao!
1729610;1509055300;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: whossat ?
1729611;1509055309;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No idea
1729612;1509055332;BingoBoingo;Ou, Nao sei
1729613;1509055383;AndreaGuzman;BingoBoingo: yo soy http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ilasxve.png
1729614;1509055407;AndreaGuzman;dijo shinohai que debo registrame un clave ;)
1729615;1509055412;BingoBoingo;AHA!
1729616;1509055435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i expect, yeah.
1729617;1509055496;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729594 << "we don't at this point have a sufficiently palatable whitewash of inflation ; or for that matter even any statement that doesn't reduce to how the best course would be for us to eat shit and die. so in preference of that, we'll just pretend ignorance, because such a course totally works and everything".
1729618;1509055496;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 21:34 ben_vulpes: > the substantive point is that we do not, at present, have a theory of inflation dynamics that works sufficiently well to be of use for the business of real-time monetary policy-making
1729619;1509055500;mircea_popescu;there, fift.
1729620;1509055572;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1729621;1509055577;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5788.4, vol: 11836.49623552 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5798.4, vol: 43443.34984547 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5810.0, vol: 3954.16474369 | Volume-weighted last average: 5797.17609754
1729622;1509055593;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fwiw, a ro corp is about 80 bux or such. wtf 800 dollars to open a corp in brazil, what do they take themselves for ?
1729623;1509055611;mircea_popescu;us can do it for ~100, brazil is special ?
1729624;1509055624;AndreaGuzman;wau tanto para Bitcoin
1729625;1509055648;asciilifeform;re information, see also sacramental http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729289
1729626;1509055648;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 16:24 mircea_popescu: diana_coman in this vein was lulzy thing at lesbian club, chick is "i have no idea why i'm getting so drunk ?!?" "you keep drinking" "what ?! it suddenly hit me like... wtf." "you keep drinking." "what do you mean ?"
1729627;1509055651;mircea_popescu;AndreaGuzman that's the low price.
1729628;1509055695;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently rainforest and language protection.
1729629;1509055736;mircea_popescu;!!rate AndreaGuzman 1 if she breaks anything, send shinohai the bill :D
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1729631;1509055840;mircea_popescu;AndreaGuzman como te gustan los eeuu ?
1729632;1509056077;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1729633;1509056078;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 491925 | Current Difficulty: 1.452839779145E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 493919 | Next Difficulty In: 1994 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1729634;1509056153;AndreaGuzman;ya tengo clave dame Bitcoin shinohai :P
1729635;1509056155;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729628 << i expect more a case of english speaking mortodifame imagines he's white because nobody told him otherwise.
1729636;1509056155;a111;Logged on 2017-10-26 22:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently rainforest and language protection.
1729637;1509056195;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Hey, gotta keep spanish language from absorbokilling Portugues language
1729638;1509056208;mircea_popescu;meanwhile @ campus rape culture,  http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6b6sxncB41rwj23jo1_1280.jpg
1729639;1509056234;asciilifeform;mm delish
1729640;1509056234;AndreaGuzman;ay mis novias!
1729641;1509056250;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo 0 chances of that. off the entire continent, the only functional sovereign is brazil. the whole rest of spanish speaking dorks can barely sum together to 2/3 of ye olde kingdom
1729642;1509056450;BingoBoingo;Well, it is an attraction. Lumped together with India, China, and Russia as BRIC. Seems a strong winner on the not NATO front.
1729643;1509056476;mircea_popescu;conceivably, yes.
1729644;1509056490;mircea_popescu;anyway, who's your source for "company costs 800, visa costs 1200" etc ?
1729645;1509056523;asciilifeform;lolwat that's outrageous
1729646;1509056586;asciilifeform;hey BingoBoingo is brazil signatory to the obummer tax stoolie treaty ?
1729647;1509056594;*;asciilifeform would bet that it was 
1729648;1509056686;mircea_popescu;and in perhaps oldest pantsuit lulz : ludwig of bavaria was a king, who constructed most of what today attracts the tourists there. as he at some point decided to get rid of his inept cabinet, the ministers got together, bribed a bunch of servants, and came up with a lengthy list of gossip ; on the basis of which, a very "respectable" conclave of four "experts" from the stanford princeton and yale of the time (munich insane a
1729649;1509056686;mircea_popescu;sylum director, that guy's son in law, etc) declared that the king has paranoia and "his freedom of action can no longer be allowed" and this is permanent, because they say so.
1729650;1509056707;mircea_popescu;1886, make bavaria great again.
1729651;1509056769;asciilifeform;or recall when gorby was 'unwell' ?
1729652;1509056795;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the schmucks also had the audacity to go over to neuschwanstein, "inform" the king of their "document". because totally, that's how it works.
1729653;1509056812;mircea_popescu;king had them sent off at gunpoint rather than you know, flayed alive and exposed on the south wall, as customary.
1729654;1509056942;shinohai;!!rate AndreaGuzman 1 first bn customer, longtime friend.
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1729656;1509056954;mircea_popescu;wut is a bn ?
1729657;1509057023;shinohai;oops, ill redo
1729658;1509057041;shinohai;i meant bnc *
1729659;1509057063;mircea_popescu;anyway ; the adventure of ludwig otto friedrich wilhelm, king and duke of bavaria, duke of franconia and swabia, count palatine of teh rhine is well informative. popular monarch, unwilling to flay pantsuit alive, "died mysteriously".
1729660;1509057064;shinohai;!!rate AndreaGuzman 1 first bnc customer, longtime friend.
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1729662;1509057189;trinque;shinohai: selling IRC bouncer hosting?
1729663;1509057195;asciilifeform;still unclear to me how a properly reigning king can be committed to asylum
1729664;1509057213;shinohai;!!v 020D8E28AFEA16F04B5CD1A8AC534354F5145E93D9B701A8FE2B16EC42F82B0F
1729665;1509057213;deedbot;shinohai rated AndreaGuzman 1 << first bnc customer, longtime friend.
1729666;1509057218;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he failed to order the national guard to fire upon the parliament, in modern soviet terms.
1729667;1509057224;asciilifeform;( who dragged him away? why his retainers not replied with rifles )
1729668;1509057227;asciilifeform;aaaaa
1729669;1509057242;asciilifeform;immediately makessense.
1729670;1509057256;mircea_popescu;impossible to defend king who doesn't order the death of the pantsuit. kinda how trump lost, by not having clinton kidnapped and jailed in afghanistan.
1729671;1509057278;mircea_popescu;"oh, nyt wants to save her ? let them. let's see what wordcount is necessary per kilo."
1729672;1509057325;mircea_popescu;sister question to "what qty of bishop-hour prayer is required to lift airplane per thousand feet".
1729673;1509057330;asciilifeform;oh hey wasn't this in the ceaucescu thread also earlier
1729674;1509057347;mircea_popescu;i expect it's recurring universally, it being the universal clou.
1729675;1509057707;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> anyway, who's your source for "company costs 800, visa costs 1200" etc ? << "Valet" service for incorporate and move called "Establish Brazil"
1729676;1509057724;mircea_popescu;exact equivalent of "hosting" services.
1729677;1509057728;mircea_popescu;not useful.
1729678;1509057758;BingoBoingo;Provides metric for evaluating lawyers and accountant quotes.
1729679;1509057808;asciilifeform;spamexpert will happily tack on extra zero or 2 and not necessarily even attempt the work per se
1729680;1509057860;BingoBoingo;And so will rando lawyer when presented a gringo
1729681;1509057911;mircea_popescu;generally not attempt any work whatsoever. fine example would be http://trilema.com/2010/aventurile-zilei/#selection-49.0-61.94
1729682;1509057927;mircea_popescu;plox to not employ "experts" not qualified beyond whoredom to anything else.
1729683;1509057953;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo gringoness dun enter into it. case linked -- me, ie romanian, in romania.
1729684;1509058050;mircea_popescu;exactly like the busbrothel, containing whores who are willing for you to pay as much as they say for them to do what they think they should, the female herd contains all sorts of other busses. the bus-lawyer, the bus-wife, the whatever else.
1729685;1509058066;mircea_popescu;efficient obedience does not come naturally to the peonry.
1729686;1509058122;mircea_popescu;possibly the most annoying version in the usg lands is the bus-doctor. he'll tell you what to pay and he klnows what to do. and he's never heard the salutary "bitch, say what ?" in his lyf.
1729687;1509058179;asciilifeform;^ endemic
1729688;1509058248;asciilifeform;try getting a uterus keychain installed in a chix in usa, meet dozen of these types
1729689;1509058308;asciilifeform;they're not, however, dropped by martians, no: they are parasitic on bovine clientelle
1729690;1509058335;asciilifeform;who willingly go along
1729691;1509058357;mircea_popescu;mno, they're resultant of female state. come at the other end.
1729692;1509058383;mircea_popescu;yes, bovine clientele puts up with it ; but this because they don't beat their wife and her children into shape, so the neglected sfortunati end up building the cheloid in the first place.
1729693;1509058392;mircea_popescu;then that cheloid gets infected with "experts".
1729694;1509058479;mircea_popescu;extra obedientia nulla salus! origen tends to misspell things.
1729695;1509058962;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the impression is that "Establish Brazil" exists to let the Roger Vers play at Rio beach by ordering from menu. Actual lawyer selection will require their presence in Paulista neighborhood and acting as lawyers.
1729696;1509059024;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the german lands lulz : the item in http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ can be identified specifically ; but is also a composite of many different historical personages. one of which is a certain Moritz von Haber, a jew & banker who "was accused" by the local pantsuits of "too much influence", ended up shooting a bunch of the tards in a series of duels, including jorge von lasollaye and various others.
1729697;1509064981;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> yes. the place you describe, btw, is prolly "bad curtain" mentioned afore. << badea cartan was indeed pretty satisfying. except for that one time i went to the fish shop on a blazing afternoon and found the attendant woman eating a rather underdone softboiled egg with a tiny spoon behind the buckets of crap and icre crap and experienced an acute tactile-olfactory horror
1729698;1509065010;mircea_popescu;lol
1729699;1509065194;mircea_popescu;in other summers, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e835647c7daf9a5c345a3b5037670a32/tumblr_nmyyxaboIf1tid18xo1_1280.jpg
1729700;1509070981;BingoBoingo;In other copypast from the mines http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ih5fb/?raw=true
1729701;1509073512;mircea_popescu;in other great usg victories against isis & co, "there was another team in the same area as the platoon ambushed in niger".
1729702;1509077986;BingoBoingo;Oh my!
1729703;1509078794;BingoBoingo;Other turds from the punchbowl https://man.openbsd.org/urng.4
1729704;1509082238;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2017/10/wellington-schmellington/ << The Whet - Wellington Schmellington
1729705;1509083803;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/carniceria-por-kilo/ << Trilema - Carniceria por kilo
1729706;1509087494;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : slavekeeping gypos!!! http://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/actualitate/batuti-cu-biciul-si-obligati-sa-cerseasca-perchezitii-in-arges-dupa-ce-mai-multi-indivizi-ar-fi-rapit-40-de-persoane.html
1729707;1509087506;mircea_popescu;teh end of teh world is nigh.
1729708;1509087915;mircea_popescu;that was last year. meanwhile some of teh organized-criminals got convicted to 3-5 years, and some of the liberated-victims killed their father.
1729709;1509094796;*;asciilifeform realized, to his horror, that living in this hotel is cheaper than... living in asciilifeform’s house 
1729710;1509094821;asciilifeform;by a palpable chunk o’change .
1729711;1509097882;BingoBoingo;Perhaps live more in hotel?
1729712;1509103110;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: benjie bag not bottomless
1729713;1509103142;asciilifeform;plane back to shitschwitz in couplea days
1729714;1509103233;*;asciilifeform currently sitting in ‘museum of communist konsoomer’, playing with toys of his childhood, reading various ro equivs of наука и жизнь , guides to e.g. female hygiene (i shit thee not), engineering , misc vintage
1729715;1509103248;asciilifeform;smells like my grandparents’ apt did
1729716;1509103288;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu , my father was right, you lot had better gear than we did
1729717;1509103298;asciilifeform;by a palpable long shot
1729718;1509120153;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's some east/west differences, but yes. not just your father either, iirc i mentioned ro army general who was like "what did you think, i'd desert to moscow ? they're more fucked than we are"
1729719;1509120207;mircea_popescu;but anyway. the czechs had it even ebtter than teh romanians and so following.
1729720;1509120351;mircea_popescu;as to moscow, the new tsar has exafctly the problems of the old ones. problems tend to outlive tsars.
1729721;1509120624;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, "Young Ukrainian woman with excellent command of English and previous experience of Britain wishes to serve a woman or couple in the UK. Little previous experience of BDSM but very submissive and obedient."
1729722;1509122398;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Consider alternate income streams like taping cheese and wurst to groin then smuggling into US?
1729723;1509122514;trinque;lol, if it were only unsatisfied demand for good things
1729724;1509122575;mircea_popescu;^
1729725;1509122783;*;mircea_popescu finally fucking figured out! check out eg * Eyes (adf42c3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.244.44.59) above : https://cleantalk.org/blacklists/173.244.44.59
1729726;1509122814;mircea_popescu;basically, a vast majority of weblink remoras are simply wordpress / etc spambots trying to find the xmlrpc.php on kiwiirc.com
1729727;1509122843;BingoBoingo;Holy fuck is wordpress a suck
1729728;1509122870;BingoBoingo;And in other news, today is 2nd anniversary of BingoBoingo's first AA meeting. Cake will be later.
1729729;1509122883;mircea_popescu;it's like an unwashed cunt, a good idea in principle implemented by imbeciles. as a result it provides a warm crack and fresh food to a whole pile of slime molds, cockroaches, worms, etcetera
1729730;1509122952;BingoBoingo;And for some reason still worse when warm crack is chronically dry than when when chronically wet, this we learned from pantsuit
1729731;1509123032;mircea_popescu;trilema has been a mindblowing exercise in "common man use of internet". EVERY fucking month a new botnet attempts to co-opt it into the totally-fucking-genius idea of ddos-by-wordpress. yes, that ancient hole published on trilema yuears ago, still unfixed.
1729732;1509123043;mircea_popescu;trilema responds with a "fuck you" 40 byte message. THIS DOES NOT DETER.
1729733;1509123058;mircea_popescu;they will try mns of times, 5-10-20 a second, because 0 interest in anything.
1729734;1509123083;mircea_popescu;now and again i ban them (which results in attempts returning soft 404s, which is trilema pages, at a cost of 100kb+- per attempt)
1729735;1509123098;mircea_popescu;this burns 10-20-50gb worth of BW before the lazy ass imbecile "hacker" notices and turns it off.
1729736;1509123116;mircea_popescu;it's basically amoeba, 0 interest in doing anything right, 100% motivated by pain avoidance.
1729737;1509123143;mircea_popescu;does the endless stream of 46 byte error messages do anything ? like in the vein of cracking us in the skull? no ?!?! THEN CONTINUE!!!
1729738;1509123147;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe it changes.
1729739;1509123183;mircea_popescu;i full on suspect 50% or more of all the "work" engaged in at the offices of the various silicon-valley "building the future" "entrepreneurial" pieces of shit consists on repeatedly clicking "try again" on those old dos "general failure" error prompts.
1729740;1509123198;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe attempt #54654765986 does something different.
1729741;1509123200;mircea_popescu;salaried workforce.
1729742;1509123272;ben_vulpes;christ, erlehmann wouldja quit it with the join/part spam
1729743;1509123338;mircea_popescu;what's his problem anywa ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727827 << writes in to alf, won't speak on forum ?
1729744;1509123338;a111;Logged on 2017-10-22 22:03 asciilifeform: erlehmann also wrote in re that lamport parachute is neat because can be fired using only paper. which is indeed tru, and quite neat in situation that calls for parachuting.
1729745;1509123361;mircea_popescu;is this more of the same "i do not approve of mp, because i'm fucked in the head enough to imagine there my be such a thing as my approval of mp ?"
1729746;1509123370;mircea_popescu;yo erlehmann . what exactly is your problem ?
1729747;1509123461;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729728 << which reminds me, ima go polish off remainder in champagne bottle.
1729748;1509123461;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 16:47 BingoBoingo: And in other news, today is 2nd anniversary of BingoBoingo's first AA meeting. Cake will be later.
1729749;1509123494;mircea_popescu;because one of the advantages of harem is that it'll be someone's bday nigh on every month ; and female slaves means ima be awake before them. ha-HAaaaa!
1729750;1509123502;mircea_popescu;mother nature's fulla unearned male priviledges.
1729751;1509124417;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1729752;1509124508;*;asciilifeform found a proper 'ro' joint, 'miorița', absolutely fuckingrocks
1729753;1509124765;davout;asciilifeform: go ahead, i'm more than ready for another chapter of "alfie and the chocolate factory"
1729754;1509124775;asciilifeform;lol
1729755;1509124788;asciilifeform;i'ma make a proper 'chocolate factory' laters
1729756;1509125258;davout;please do, i'll enjoy
1729757;1509125615;mircea_popescu;you found... romanian pot ?
1729758;1509125634;asciilifeform;lol
1729759;1509125653;asciilifeform;a phood by hapsburg square
1729760;1509125668;*;mircea_popescu recalls olden days when whatever group of 14-15yo westerners joined in for a tour of the cluj chocolate factory (feleacul).
1729761;1509125683;mircea_popescu;"WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN TAKE BONBONS RIGHT OUT OF THOSE CEMENT MIXER THINGS"
1729762;1509125703;mircea_popescu;"where would you like to take them out of, not like they grow inside goats or on trees or something"
1729763;1509125786;asciilifeform;strangest find of asciilifeform's inside 'communist konsoomer' museum is prolly the plastic goban and b00k of pretty serious go problemz
1729764;1509125866;asciilifeform;place had quite the opposite of what i think was the inntended effect, on me
1729765;1509125897;mircea_popescu;what do you think was intended effect ?
1729766;1509125912;asciilifeform;'how poor and sad we were', i imagine
1729767;1509125923;mircea_popescu;absolutely not.
1729768;1509125930;asciilifeform;hmm no?
1729769;1509125976;asciilifeform;it was great tho, all the things i liked and wantd in childhood, even phoods ( in photos ), were in there
1729770;1509126003;asciilifeform;whereas i did not want cocacola or mcfucknuggets or previousbostoncuntlets for anytthing
1729771;1509126009;asciilifeform;and still dont.
1729772;1509126030;mircea_popescu;the intention is deliberately never stated with these things, but the reasonable guess would be more in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670353
1729773;1509126030;a111;Logged on 2017-06-14 15:42 mircea_popescu: so i was gonna quote this story with my grandfather regretting the time of stalin, except apparently it;'s not in the log ? and there's even attempts to find the shit, like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-15#1433159
1729774;1509126032;asciilifeform;*preciousb
1729775;1509126056;mircea_popescu;ie, an (unreferenced, because they're cocksuckers aka "people themselves") attempt to answer to http://trilema.com/2010/vina-batranilor/
1729776;1509126081;mircea_popescu;something in the lines of "oh, little people were great, and little things were great, it's just the great people (pars pro toto, ceausescu) that were bad".
1729777;1509126081;asciilifeform;i don't feel antipathy for those batranilor
1729778;1509126092;asciilifeform;or even for the shoemaker
1729779;1509126093;mircea_popescu;i don't know i feel antipathy for anything else.
1729780;1509126116;mircea_popescu;old accountants and old housewives are the only enemy mankind ever knew.
1729781;1509126153;asciilifeform;housewives i can picture, but accountants ?!
1729782;1509126198;mircea_popescu;yes. little men "just trying to get by" because "they have a family to support".
1729783;1509126212;davout;my personal interactions with old accountants were mostly along the lines of "no, you can't do this"
1729784;1509126220;mircea_popescu;the petit bourgeois buying britney spears records because they're "like" toscanini and unlike that, they're what he can afford.
1729785;1509126223;davout;which quickly gets pretty annoying
1729786;1509126224;mircea_popescu;the 80% scum.
1729787;1509126253;asciilifeform;this is not unlike liking oranges but hating peels
1729788;1509126255;mircea_popescu;when they were young they did "good enough" trucks and software, and when they're old they do "good enough" culture.
1729789;1509126267;asciilifeform;can't have orange without peel, mircea_popescu
1729790;1509126271;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's very unlike. it's not unlike liking cunt but hating smegma.
1729791;1509126286;mircea_popescu;the only oranges this scum grows on live in neglected orange groves.
1729792;1509126292;asciilifeform;there's not a culture without old folx
1729793;1509126304;mircea_popescu;there is however a culture without petit bourgeois old folks.
1729794;1509126312;mircea_popescu;in fact, there can only be a culture if they're not around.
1729795;1509126347;mircea_popescu;the question any 70yo has to answer, and CAN NOT escape anymore than 20yo can escape the draft or the call of the streetgirl, is "why didn't you die".
1729796;1509126350;asciilifeform;i dunno, what is asciilifeform , not petit bourgeouis ?
1729797;1509126357;mircea_popescu;and the answer fucking better be something other than "because i carefully stuck to the walls"
1729798;1509126376;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you are in very plain and obvious danger of going that way, yes, with all yours "can'ts" and "Shouldn'ts"
1729799;1509126436;asciilifeform;well expanding into 'cans' and 'shoulds' and hey play the tuba even if you never learned how etc currently
1729800;1509126465;mircea_popescu;life's a struggle.
1729801;1509126489;mircea_popescu;but in no case do i care about stalin's statistics. so he killed 50 trillion imbeciles ? good for him ; if they didn't suck so bad they'd still be around.
1729802;1509126506;asciilifeform;stalin may be greatest hygienicist who lived.
1729803;1509126511;mircea_popescu;what i care about is all the 50 trillion anodyne "concerned citizens" that got the gestapo so flooded with emails it had to get an unlisted number
1729804;1509126515;mircea_popescu;to survive the public harassment.
1729805;1509126554;mircea_popescu;the only immoral agent is the redditard ; boko haram comparatively frequentable.
1729806;1509126602;asciilifeform;i have moar respect for alley cat ( btw i finally found where those live ) than redditus.
1729807;1509126625;mircea_popescu;well, the old folks are the redditards of 1960.
1729808;1509126646;asciilifeform;in the sense of 'no theorems' ?
1729809;1509126648;mircea_popescu;because yes, the item existed. heck, it's noted for the year 1880, and for all previous decades.
1729810;1509126651;mircea_popescu;no, in the sense of
1729811;1509126658;mircea_popescu;!~google conu leonida fata cu reactiunea
1729812;1509126659;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Conu Leonida față cu reacțiunea - Wikisource: <https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/Conu_Leonida_fa%25C8%259B%25C4%2583_cu_reac%25C8%259Biunea>; " Conu ' Leonida fata cu reactiunea " - I.L Caragiale - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVv7SbfrNdT4>; Conu Leonida față cu reacțiunea - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conu_Leonida_fa%25C8%259B%25C4%2583_cu_reac%25C8%2
1729813;1509126674;mircea_popescu;in the sense of "small independent lord-in-his-own-mind with no wot links".
1729814;1509126689;mircea_popescu;in the sense of "i have the freedom to make my own choices ; and they'll be informed by my diminutive stature"
1729815;1509126692;mircea_popescu;in that fucking sense.
1729816;1509126698;asciilifeform;oh hey btw lenin had a discussion of these, in his 'wat do' piece
1729817;1509126703;mircea_popescu;quote ?
1729818;1509126710;*;asciilifeform digs
1729819;1509126948;asciilifeform;i'ma have to come back to this item. it was the thing with the swamp
1729820;1509126967;mircea_popescu;anyway, no theorems isn't it. there's that famous case of my driver whom my mother (who was bumming a ride) asked in shock why'd he'd go around playing valet for a 17yo. he said something like "not everyone's a big deal". man had 0 theorems to prove, but also didn't go around deluding himself on the matter.
1729821;1509126968;asciilifeform;'those who are happy to sit in the swamp'
1729822;1509126993;asciilifeform;hm.
1729823;1509127001;mircea_popescu;what's it is the pretense to equality, the proposition that "no theorems is as good as any theorems", the "i know, i'll prototype bitcoin on windows, it's an os too" and so following.
1729824;1509127022;mircea_popescu;the whore who dares pretend as if she doesn't owe the soldier her cunt, but rather, she... "has her own mind" and "her own options" and whatnot else.
1729825;1509127032;asciilifeform;socialism ~extincted the earnestly servile sort of man , seems
1729826;1509127057;mircea_popescu;"Итак, тебе не заплачу я: Но если ты простая блядь, То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!" is not some kind of fucking joke.
1729827;1509127064;mircea_popescu;it's the dispositive final word on fate.
1729828;1509127087;ben_vulpes;"Someone blessed with enough ability so as to recognize the superior qualities in the chosen by the Fates as our hero here present, but who carries neither the sweet delusion of recognizing the same in himself, nor ..."
1729829;1509127099;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1729830;1509127179;mircea_popescu;be all you can be, yes ; protect your ass as far as it can be, sure. BUT NO FURTHER. as far as it can be and no further! and don't go around pretending like anything's just as good as anything else, either.
1729831;1509127189;asciilifeform;btw for n00bs, mircea_popescu's gem is from no less a man than lermontov
1729832;1509127239;mircea_popescu;it is.
1729833;1509127828;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729812 << these btw eggog
1729834;1509127828;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 17:50 jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Conu Leonida față cu reacțiunea - Wikisource: <https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/Conu_Leonida_fa%25C8%259B%25C4%2583_cu_reac%25C8%259Biunea>; " Conu ' Leonida fata cu reactiunea " - I.L Caragiale - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVv7SbfrNdT4>; Conu Leonida față cu reacțiunea - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conu_Leonida_fa%25C8%259B%25C4%2583_cu_reac%25C8%2
1729835;1509128854;*;asciilifeform finally read mircea_popescu's 'vina batranilor' in original, and realized that it is exactly as asciilifeform sees 50-60yo usa inmates 
1729836;1509129207;asciilifeform;incidentally it occurred to asciilifeform that he might start translating trilemas, when he reaches ro-shodan level
1729837;1509129249;asciilifeform;and that they translate well, i suspect, into ru
1729838;1509132290;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> because one of the advantages of harem is that it'll be someone's bday nigh on every month ; and female slaves means ima be awake before them. ha-HAaaaa! << Wonderful
1729839;1509132333;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/teatru/conu_leonida_fata_cu_reactiunea.html
1729840;1509132437;asciilifeform;oh ty mircea_popescu
1729841;1509132656;mircea_popescu;here's a question for the ages : i put on trilema at some point a photochop depicting this slightly fat, mongoloid teenaged male smiling proudly next to a taller babe that he had ms-pain drawn his arms around.
1729842;1509132659;mircea_popescu;anyone recall this bit ?
1729843;1509132916;asciilifeform;prolly pre-englisch?
1729844;1509132922;mircea_popescu;i fear.
1729845;1509132934;mircea_popescu;further research turns out it was actually godard, so now i need it ;/
1729846;1509133370;asciilifeform;http://www.accestotal.ro/am-vrut-sa-l-impusc-pe-ceausescu/ << in other vintages
1729847;1509133471;mircea_popescu;"i was going to", previous generation's elliotism.
1729848;1509133513;asciilifeform;d00d stole kalash and set up, neh
1729849;1509133521;asciilifeform;then sat for 20y
1729850;1509133565;asciilifeform;( found subj via mircea_popescu -- in footnotes, re how post-revolutionary ro gov did not pardon d00d )
1729851;1509133911;asciilifeform;roventiu by all indications ~would~ have perforated he shoemaker, if the latter had not buttoned up in bunker, shittings pants over missing kalash
1729852;1509133929;asciilifeform;instead ended up in oubliette
1729853;1509133962;asciilifeform;what exactly is mircea_popescu's 'elliotism' seen here ? that herr roventiu let himself taken alive ?
1729854;1509134304;mircea_popescu;i don't credit the story as told.
1729855;1509134370;asciilifeform;hm disinfo ?
1729856;1509134385;asciilifeform;what's the crack in the edifice ?
1729857;1509134397;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how and when did mubarak take over egypt ?
1729858;1509134408;*;asciilifeform does not know 
1729859;1509134430;mircea_popescu;yes, well, don't tell me that a would-be mubarak nearly machinegunned romania's anwar al sadat a year or so later.
1729860;1509134735;asciilifeform;i dun get it -- foreign stooge ? or wat
1729861;1509134757;mircea_popescu;eh, random wankery of old men at the chestnut tree.
1729862;1509134774;mircea_popescu;about as credit-worthy as the average 16yos recounting of his sexually amorous exploits.
1729863;1509134777;asciilifeform;d00d sat for 20y. for what ?
1729864;1509134789;mircea_popescu;you ever been in a soviet prison ?
1729865;1509134796;mircea_popescu;for that matter, any prison. "For what", seriously ?
1729866;1509134808;asciilifeform;not yet, why
1729867;1509134810;mircea_popescu;for being incompetent enough to end up there, what the fuck else.
1729868;1509134818;asciilifeform;hm
1729869;1509134856;mircea_popescu;anyway. i am especially intolerant of
1729870;1509134857;mircea_popescu;“Lîngă Făcăieni, aproape de Feteşti, ne-au turnat nişte săteni, care ne-au văzut odihnindu-ne lîngă o lizieră. Şeful de post, apărut din senin, ne-a cerut actele. Sub ameninţarea pistolului mitralieră, l-am legat de un copac şi am dat drumul la restul. Doar nu era să tragem. Nu furasem actele pentru asta. S-a dat alarma şi sute de miliţieni şi securişti, dotaţi cu elicoptere, ne-au luat urma”, îşi
1729871;1509134857;mircea_popescu;aminteşte Rovenţiu. Au reuşit să scape din mai multe încercuiri; s-a tras în ei de sute de ori, însă “noi n-am folosit niciodată armamentul, deşi puteam să-i ciuruim de nenumărate ori”.
1729872;1509134869;mircea_popescu;you will know wankery by that unerring sign, that it is wankery.
1729873;1509134925;mircea_popescu;virgin boy's wet dreams work exactly like adult's, BUT, importantly, they lack any representation of the vulva. because he's never seen one. if all he's seen is his mom's boob the succubi will show him boobs and he'll cream ; if he's once seen a slit, his succubi will have slits, but no clits. and so following.
1729874;1509134939;mircea_popescu;what is this jan valjean bullshit of would be assassins who "could but wouldn't" shoot ?
1729875;1509134992;asciilifeform;hmm this is a point.
1729876;1509135015;asciilifeform;i dun get why to steal a piece and not shoot tho.
1729877;1509135015;mircea_popescu;the faits d'armes of brave duellists who don't know what a foil is and how handguards work or why ain't.
1729878;1509135040;mircea_popescu;i don't get it either, nor am i an expert in the matter. but still, shitty story is unpersuasive.
1729879;1509135074;*;asciilifeform begins to see why
1729880;1509135116;asciilifeform;and also that there dun have to be any relation b/w the charges against d00d, and reality
1729881;1509135135;asciilifeform;it will be entertaining to see the particular deed asciilifeform is hanged for , for inatance
1729882;1509135141;asciilifeform;*instance
1729883;1509135211;asciilifeform;prolly moar exciting  by long shot than the reality.
1729884;1509135469;mircea_popescu;you understand how the centrality pressure works ?
1729885;1509135523;mircea_popescu;because the enemy purports to a "dispassionate" which is to say batshit insane "application of justice", random woman like say monica lewinsky can go to jail ~forever for ANYTHING. such as you know, "having not told some nosy bureaucrats whatever detail of her own god damned private sex life".
1729886;1509135562;mircea_popescu;this then creates in the republic a pressure : since you might as well go to jail for jaywalking, DO NOT jaywalk, "because you have more important things to do" and "it'd be a pity to end up hanged for jaywalking".
1729887;1509135612;mircea_popescu;this is exactly the idiotic "make it count" argument. and it should be obvious that ALL IT DOES is a) actually enact the "less important" enemy nonsense, such as "jaywalking laws" and b) fundamentally corrupt the republican opposition, because if you won't naturally jaywalk, hoiw would you naturally shoot obama in the face ? one needs the other, like tree needs roots.
1729888;1509135640;mircea_popescu;which is EXACTLY why my defense of eg http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-30#998185
1729889;1509135640;a111;Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
1729890;1509135656;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, you're such an elegant intelligent dood, why would you". guess.
1729891;1509135710;mircea_popescu;worst fucking thing you can do is allow this reduction-to-centrality, "only present the core of the argument cuz branches are just as dangerous but not as relevant" sorta nonsense.
1729892;1509135841;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729885 << limonov >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-05#546880
1729893;1509135841;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 20:18 mircea_popescu: because the enemy purports to a "dispassionate" which is to say batshit insane "application of justice", random woman like say monica lewinsky can go to jail ~forever for ANYTHING. such as you know, "having not told some nosy bureaucrats whatever detail of her own god damned private sex life".
1729894;1509135841;a111;Logged on 2014-03-05 02:05 asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition.
1729895;1509135868;mircea_popescu;right.
1729896;1509135967;mircea_popescu;so yes, i expect you're right. everything in socialistupidstan is decided by irrelevant points of minutia, pointedly and carefully avoiding any substantive discussion. why'd you be an exception.
1729897;1509135978;asciilifeform;the jaywalking point is exactly troo, and was beginning to form in asciilifeform's head when he signed up for $mission
1729898;1509136230;asciilifeform;and it can be turned on its head : do a proper deed ~before~ being shot, with surprised stupid face, for an inevitable jaywalking you may or may not even have done.
1729899;1509136266;*;mod6 jaywalks all the time
1729900;1509139037;shinohai;yay or nay jhvh1 should archive sites
1729901;1509139055;mod6;archive the pastes?
1729902;1509139142;ben_vulpes;yea
1729903;1509139146;ben_vulpes;and yea
1729904;1509139154;trinque;pastes and links aha
1729905;1509139188;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-05#547894 << in other vintage loglullz
1729906;1509139188;a111;Logged on 2014-03-05 18:32 asciilifeform: '... courtroom recording showed that the last verse of the multiplicand was, as witnesses had claimed, sung in unison by the beautiful young fork.'
1729907;1509139192;trinque;I guess Framedragger lost himself in leftist hackersauce "poly" pussy?
1729908;1509139206;asciilifeform;trinque: d00d came up for air not long ago
1729909;1509139214;trinque;I saw; wasn't much air
1729910;1509139220;asciilifeform;truu
1729911;1509139255;ben_vulpes;seductive song of the biofilm
1729912;1509139323;mod6;shinohai: yeah, both would be super helpful.
1729913;1509139350;trinque;!!v C79DF7964C2E078A0D4EBD1DA3ABEC023E49A336B89A614F72146F745725AF04
1729914;1509139350;deedbot;trinque updated rating of Framedragger from 2 to 1 << used to come around
1729915;1509139534;trinque;while we're doing these, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729743 is apparently "too lazy" (in teen girl vocal fry) to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726508
1729916;1509139534;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 16:55 mircea_popescu: what's his problem anywa ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727827 << writes in to alf, won't speak on forum ?
1729917;1509139534;a111;Logged on 2017-10-19 01:18 trinque: just give me the same key but without the idiot expiration field
1729918;1509139575;shinohai;!~archive http://thebitcoin.foundation/
1729919;1509139575;jhvh1;Thank you, your link will be available in the /archive/ mirror shortly! You will be invoiced 0.00025 BTC for this transaction via deedbot.
1729920;1509139593;mod6;jesus christo
1729921;1509139604;asciilifeform;that's a mighty pricy kByte
1729922;1509139663;shinohai;times are tough
1729923;1509139668;shinohai;lol
1729924;1509139671;asciilifeform;reminds of scene in the riotously bad 'atlas shrugged' novel where 'mega millionaires' charge each other gold dubloons in their seekrit hideout for borrowing a cig
1729925;1509139681;mod6;pff srsly.
1729926;1509139726;shinohai;i on;y haz subdomain, need true dns 4 2 yrs
1729927;1509139746;asciilifeform;waiwaat
1729928;1509139750;mod6;same ^
1729929;1509139796;mod6;so, maybe a drive that grabs the pastes, and links and stores them somehow.  then make another that backs up the first.
1729930;1509139849;mod6;if it comes down to cash to get the drives and set up the stuff, maybe the foundation can support that.
1729931;1509139892;shinohai;well soon i will make it spit out a tar or zip
1729932;1509139938;mod6;cool. but i don't think invoicing everyone for this is gonna work.
1729933;1509139963;shinohai;id love it to b like a warez markwt lel
1729934;1509139999;shinohai;no not *everyone"
1729935;1509140021;mod6;ben_vulpes: thoughts?  if given a proposal on this that is a resonable, should the foundation consider?
1729936;1509140025;shinohai;something ala subscription
1729937;1509140135;ben_vulpes;i can get behind paying for an archiver's operations costs
1729938;1509140154;mod6;yeah, i think it could be pretty minimal.  and be a non-annoying choice.
1729939;1509140168;asciilifeform;i won't pay for the familiar best-effort nonsense.
1729940;1509140176;mod6;however... to the point of archiving things, say >1Mb, then by all means.
1729941;1509140205;mod6;like... if I want to stick a porn movie in the archive... sure, i should be able to pay some nominal fee perhaps.
1729942;1509140221;asciilifeform;( this is a properly a subset of the isp discussion. )
1729943;1509140247;mod6;much like, I stuck a bunch of dependant files in deedbot.  that obviously is probably not the best way to do that.
1729944;1509140267;mod6;but if people did wanna emplace some thing somewhere your bot could be a good way to go with a reasonable pricing model.
1729945;1509140293;asciilifeform;if i want something stowed on some heathenisp rando box, i can bloodywell rent one and upload it ~myself~
1729946;1509140301;asciilifeform;and for worthlessfiatola.
1729947;1509140445;mod6;solid point
1729948;1509140497;shinohai;ah ok
1729949;1509140636;mod6;so, yeah, perhaps come up with a plan, and hand it in to the foundation, and we'll consider.
1729950;1509140694;shinohai;lol i got an email from a ver minion about paid writing for bitcoin crash!
1729951;1509140742;shinohai;he redid the voorhees paid 2 tweet pyramid scheme
1729952;1509140835;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: no, it very much mustest happen on republican boxes.
1729953;1509140870;mod6;well... he's just saying if he wants ~something~ put up.  (right?) much like i use mod6.net
1729954;1509140882;shinohai;pulls out hair
1729955;1509141157;mod6;haha. no worries.
1729956;1509141704;trinque;shinohai: might do better with a "archive as much as you want for x / mo" style arrangement
1729957;1509141707;trinque;disk is very cheap
1729958;1509141721;trinque;though what happens when someone unsubscribes, archive is gone? doesn't serve the logs very well
1729959;1509141741;trinque;arguably future logotron oughta preserve links itself
1729960;1509141783;trinque;so then, subscription might be to a particular logotron. and hard to price those given that the market has ample, usable free
1729961;1509141816;trinque;not that I fault a guy wanting to charge people for the use of his bot, obviously
1729962;1509141982;asciilifeform;how the hell would one price a promise to archive 4evah tho.
1729963;1509142038;asciilifeform;but otoh you gotta have perma-log.
1729964;1509142057;asciilifeform;afaik nobody knows where to even begin resolving this knot,
1729965;1509142063;trinque;it's why I said price access to archive, but then wtf is that too, can copy while access is had
1729966;1509142067;asciilifeform;hence 0 sane archiver to this day.
1729967;1509142087;trinque;and reason I'll yet grunt out a dht webthinger, central archives are nonsense
1729968;1509142098;asciilifeform;trinque: if no independent mirrors, it's rubbish
1729969;1509142125;trinque;still not bad for folks to cause themselves problems by doing things.
1729970;1509142161;asciilifeform;so long as they don't tear hair out when it becomes clear that no, you can't charge for sunlight
1729971;1509142193;shinohai;nestle charges for water so what
1729972;1509142218;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729900 << why not do the thing scriba was doing originally, put in archive.is and save the zips ?
1729973;1509142218;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 21:17 shinohai: yay or nay jhvh1 should archive sites
1729974;1509142248;asciilifeform;did this vanish ?
1729975;1509142267;mircea_popescu;i dunno tbh.
1729976;1509142323;asciilifeform;sooo apparently 0 demand for pulling the backups to date , lol
1729977;1509142338;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729915 << i thought he produced that.
1729978;1509142338;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 21:25 trinque: while we're doing these, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729743 is apparently "too lazy" (in teen girl vocal fry) to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726508
1729979;1509142339;asciilifeform;recall scene in 'bofh'
1729980;1509142353;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pulling the who ? what ?
1729981;1509142356;asciilifeform;( 'i then loaded that one very special tape' )
1729982;1509142367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for actually fetching the zip
1729983;1509142368;trinque;mircea_popescu: no, unless he didn't bother to tell me.
1729984;1509142378;mircea_popescu;ah.
1729985;1509142384;mircea_popescu;!~market all
1729986;1509142384;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "all" in it.  Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
1729987;1509142400;mircea_popescu;!~ticker market all
1729988;1509142402;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
1729989;1509142402;mod6;i did this recently when looking at the rsa thing that happened back in like august of '15
1729990;1509142415;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all
1729991;1509142415;mod6;and it was pretty nifty that it had archived all of the pastes.
1729992;1509142416;asciilifeform;oh hey
1729993;1509142422;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5760.11, vol: 12026.47225216 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5759.4, vol: 40666.43322517 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5768.0, vol: 3133.02309215 | Volume-weighted last average: 5760.03559702
1729994;1509142426;mircea_popescu;!~calc 0.00025 * 5760.03559702
1729995;1509142427;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 0.00025 * 5760.03559702 = 1.440008899255
1729996;1509142427;asciilifeform;i was referring to zips mod6
1729997;1509142438;mircea_popescu;shinohai over a dollar a page, what is this.
1729998;1509142443;mod6;i don't know if it is doing this any longer, or if it does zips or whatever.  no idea.
1729999;1509142480;shinohai;mircea_popescu: well obviously that *wasnt* real
1730000;1509142634;*;asciilifeform bbl 
1730001;1509142641;mircea_popescu;mod6 basically never progressed past http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508406 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599061 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683532
1730002;1509142641;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 22:10 mircea_popescu: i suppose one thing we could do is change how a111 works so that on every outbout link posted here it a) makes an archive.is copy of thje page ; b) downloads the corresponding zip
1730003;1509142641;a111;Logged on 2017-01-08 04:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << just download the fucking archive.is archive zips already omygerd.
1730004;1509142641;a111;Logged on 2017-07-14 16:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683501 >> that is the link in question, yes. it's be tremendously useful if it also had a copy of http://archive.is/download/nQLP9.zip stored somewhere.
1730005;1509142660;mircea_popescu;i ~think~ it ~might~ have been implemented, to some degree at some point somwhere.
1730006;1509142676;mircea_popescu;which is exactly the opposite of useful work.
1730007;1509142735;mod6;aha
1730008;1509142794;mircea_popescu;anyway, storage is about 2 fiatcents aka 300 or so satoshi per gb
1730009;1509142924;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729951 << heh. where's that dork, "i know how to promote scamcoins big (LIKE DOGE!)"
1730010;1509142924;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 21:45 shinohai: he redid the voorhees paid 2 tweet pyramid scheme
1730011;1509142974;mircea_popescu;ah there we go, http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/#selection-27.0-27.105 "I am here from couple of years and have good knowledge on how to promote a coin in a big way (like DOGE)."
1730012;1509143002;mircea_popescu;big quantity of BEKs!
1730013;1509143181;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729959 << oh, preserve what we say AND ALSO the links ? and what else ? how about the girls, preserve all of them the age they were so we can revisit when we're old, the girls we loved as if they're 16!
1730014;1509143181;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:02 trinque: arguably future logotron oughta preserve links itself
1730015;1509143184;mircea_popescu;poor logotron.
1730016;1509143220;trinque;lol what, like someone's browser cache is doing as they click?
1730017;1509143227;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729964 << except you do, because you've seen the person that knows how to resolve it resolve it.
1730018;1509143227;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:07 asciilifeform: afaik nobody knows where to even begin resolving this knot,
1730019;1509143236;trinque;whole log's worth of archive is, bet, one drive's worth at most
1730020;1509143248;mircea_popescu;trinque idea being that there's a necessary and natural cut between log matter and linked matter.
1730021;1509143339;mircea_popescu;the principal impediment to republican logging, atm, is that nobod yucan be arsed to write a html de-fucker ; there is one already written, by the archive.is dood, which spits out zips. the solutions then are either a) piggyback on that, which alf has (irresponsibly) been trying to obstruct throughout, and in the laughablest of manners or else b) make own, which will without exception require making own, and RIGHT NOW, not "n
1730022;1509143340;mircea_popescu;ext week".
1730023;1509143387;mircea_popescu;thatg aside, the more pressing problem is that we don't have a proper pdf-decrufter, (random moron with delusions of self-impoirtance failed to be useful, as you prolly recall), and if we're going to do something by hand this'd be more sorely needed than that.
1730024;1509143444;trinque;sure, separate items. I was attacking the price and that which was priced.
1730025;1509143471;mircea_popescu;between logotrons that reliably maintain the archive.is produced zips of any linked pages and a service which spits out text versions of pdfs (and youtube videos etc), to be also archived, we'd actually have a complete solution
1730026;1509143484;mircea_popescu;perhaps a little fragile, but certainly fortifiable.
1730027;1509143546;mircea_popescu;the only problem in all this is that i'm not willing to put "use archive.is" into the logger spec ; nor am i willing to go "write html-decrufter or die". so... we're FOSSing about.
1730028;1509143721;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729967 << how would this go ?
1730029;1509143721;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:08 trinque: and reason I'll yet grunt out a dht webthinger, central archives are nonsense
1730030;1509143811;mircea_popescu;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729899 , http://trilema.com/2009/piulitia-romana/#comment-6489
1730031;1509143811;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 20:31 mod6 jaywalks all the time
1730032;1509144500;mircea_popescu;wrt to scriba's archiving : it appears to be on now, and working since yesterday (26th). it did not work in the interval 10-25 october ; nor in the interval 2-8 october (limits included). so it for instance included http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729704 but not http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728494 and so following.
1730033;1509144500;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 05:30 deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/wellington-schmellington/ << The Whet - Wellington Schmellington
1730034;1509144500;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 02:39 deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ << The Whet - A Compendium of Possibly Helpful Stuffs for Erecting Mircea Popescu's WordPress with Nearly Free Speech Hosting
1730035;1509144524;mircea_popescu;for a long time it was reliable, but so far in october it's about 10% up or so.
1730036;1509144587;mircea_popescu;which means that even if we have 10 such loggers we'd still lose 16% or so of all links through simple coincidence at this level.
1730037;1509144857;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729970 << this is an altogether dubious point. magnolia went south IN SPITE of paying customers, through operator ineptitude.
1730038;1509144857;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:09 asciilifeform: so long as they don't tear hair out when it becomes clear that no, you can't charge for sunlight
1730039;1509144885;mircea_popescu;i suspect that contrary to what operator-minded examiner might wish to believe, the limit is the operator not the economics.
1730040;1509144950;mircea_popescu;shinohai how did you compute your 0.00025 anyway ? "gotta type a number in" ?
1730041;1509145673;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in girls next door / apartments next door, http://78.media.tumblr.com/c52cbef9f39187da794f85e2dcd5cd01/tumblr_nhdvzwqnJr1qeuki6o1_1280.jpg
1730042;1509145717;ben_vulpes;lol @ person on laptop
1730043;1509145753;trinque;"bitch is taking selfies again; snoar"
1730044;1509145865;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730028 << same as the kids used for mp3s and tv, but with signed material published by known nodes
1730045;1509145865;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729967 << how would this go ?
1730046;1509145904;trinque;trilema in the model has a key, chatters to peers when something is published. peers retain or dont as their node is set, allow others to connect to retrieve items or dont as idem.
1730047;1509145948;trinque;anybody recall directconnect? probably closer to what the thing oughta look like than say gnutella, but with a hierarchy of nodes instead of connecting to one station.
1730048;1509145967;*;trinque will elaborate more after a necessary errand
1730049;1509150577;mircea_popescu;trinque yes but basic shit, how do you prevent joe from spreading his "virus" thusly ?
1730050;1509150596;mircea_popescu;the great advantage of current archival mechanism is that it powerwashes the targets.
1730051;1509152192;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/vivre-sa-vie/ << Trilema - Vivre sa vie
1730052;1509158212;mircea_popescu;hmm a111 died ?
1730053;1509158246;mircea_popescu;ah nope, new page is all.
1730054;1509158266;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730046 so basically publish via gossipd ?
1730055;1509158266;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 23:11 trinque: trilema in the model has a key, chatters to peers when something is published. peers retain or dont as their node is set, allow others to connect to retrieve items or dont as idem.
1730056;1509159430;mod6;heh, 'spangle the log'
1730057;1509159469;mod6;hanbot: eggwash = yoke included?
1730058;1509159504;mod6;*yolk. ugh
1730059;1509159695;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep, if you asked "what did joe say about $hash" and joe was an asshole, you get fucked
1730060;1509159699;trinque;just like the current www
1730061;1509159715;trinque;hopefully you know good joes, otherwise browse rando's hashes on burner box
1730062;1509159733;trinque;and yep, derives directly from notions being formed in the gossipd threads
1730063;1509159814;mircea_popescu;so then why not simply pipe the current apache or w/e into gossipd.
1730064;1509159892;trinque;current web flowing over the thing wouldn't look much different from that; however, things *built* for the model would be parceled differently.
1730065;1509159915;trinque;take a particular trilema article, your node announces that there is a new $string which resolves to $hash and your node signed the fact
1730066;1509159919;trinque;connected nodes chatter this fact
1730067;1509159950;mircea_popescu;iirc signed packets went nowehre in that discussion.
1730068;1509159952;trinque;your comments section would not be hosted by you, but would rather be comprised of a marker which says "here be statements others made about $currentDoc"
1730069;1509159970;trinque;signed application-layer material.
1730070;1509160015;trinque;I'm speaking of publishing, not how gossipd nodes move packets
1730071;1509160018;mod6;hmm
1730072;1509160028;mircea_popescu;the reason i didn't start the gossipd discussion with trilema specifically has to do with the comments problem. which is : there's some implicit authority-and-authorship play wrt comments, as reader is more interested in mp's idea of what comments were than in random spew, and by a large factor.
1730073;1509160049;trinque;that still can be a fact also published by your node.
1730074;1509160065;mircea_popescu;so i always imagined that to plug web ie blogs such as trilema into gossipd, what'd happen would be that i'd announce what the article is and what the comments were.
1730075;1509160069;mircea_popescu;in fact much like now
1730076;1509160089;trinque;sure, someone announces to you "I would like to scrawl this on your wall" and you announce inclusion or not
1730077;1509160094;mircea_popescu;obviously this dun preclude anyone from private commentary. but you can't have trilema announce shit as comments because  it heard from discuss.
1730078;1509160101;trinque;absolutely.
1730079;1509160112;mircea_popescu;i mean disqus, the spammy comment shit.
1730080;1509160335;mircea_popescu;the oither problem is of course that this lays right into gns
1730081;1509160351;mircea_popescu;which is what that whole " a new $string which resolves to $hash" is all about.
1730082;1509160670;trinque;I am and have been preoccupied with, respectfully, the mike_c problem.
1730083;1509160686;trinque;gotta cleave the "$he said $fact" from "there is this silo which is the only source of $fact"
1730084;1509160736;trinque;communist megastate fucktards throughout the entire extant internet, because no one ever dies on field. who could tell; we're all fungible.
1730085;1509160834;mircea_popescu;there is merit to this view.
1730086;1509160864;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, tis a delicate operation and im not sure we have spare patients.
1730087;1509160871;mircea_popescu;so... what are we cleaving, where and how ?
1730088;1509161698;BingoBoingo;<trinque> lol what, like someone's browser cache is doing as they click? << What's "browser cache" is it like BTC Crash?
1730089;1509161943;BingoBoingo;!~help
1730090;1509161943;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
1730091;1509161945;BingoBoingo;help
1730092;1509161948;BingoBoingo;!!help
1730093;1509161948;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1730094;1509162129;BingoBoingo;!!rate felipelalli -1 Absent despite acknowledging receipt of communication on Republican state of necessity
1730095;1509162131;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iqt3I/?raw=true
1730096;1509162165;BingoBoingo;!!v E3FD9218C12901629452665E978D5444A31EC5CAE42A3BDDD45C486E781C670
1730097;1509162232;BingoBoingo;!!V E3FD9218C12901629452665E978D5444A31EC5CAE42A3BDDD45C486E781C670B
1730098;1509162233;deedbot;BingoBoingo updated rating of felipelalli from 1 to -1 << Absent despite acknowledging receipt of communication on Republican state of necessity
1730099;1509162541;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/roma/ << Trilema - Roma
1730100;1509166180;BingoBoingo;https://jameslafond.blogspot.com/2017/10/conscripted-in-drug-war.html
1730101;1509168557;hanbot;<mod6> hanbot: eggwash = yoke included? << yeah, one egg whisked with splashomilk
1730102;1509169857;hanbot;!!up mircea_popescu
1730103;1509169858;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1730104;1509169888;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730101 << ftr, the canonical form is yolk only, no white no milk no nothing.
1730105;1509169888;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 05:29 hanbot: <mod6> hanbot: eggwash = yoke included? << yeah, one egg whisked with splashomilk
1730106;1509169971;mircea_popescu;aand in other big data paintings, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/comms-chart-2.png
1730107;1509170014;hanbot;clearly i have disease of american capitalist, crazy shit stick on all sides of yolk and still not hit largest side of carcass
1730108;1509170022;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1730109;1509170123;hanbot;oh hey, that's pretty. what is it?
1730110;1509170315;mircea_popescu;hanbot you prolly recall, old fain datas, http://trilema.com/2011/2022353/
1730111;1509170474;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/un-borghese-piccolo-piccolo/ << Trilema - Un borghese piccolo piccolo
1730112;1509170546;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729713 << This is probably least healthy thing to be doing unless storing fuel for next "burn the ships on touching shore" move. The sorta resentments probable on returning to the big prison sound a lot like how people get lost in bottles.
1730113;1509170546;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 11:19 asciilifeform: plane back to shitschwitz in couplea days
1730114;1509170622;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo eh, alcohol is expensive and doesn't exist. he's safe.
1730115;1509170667;hanbot;mircea_popescu oh yeah, neat
1730116;1509170669;BingoBoingo;Eh, there's no drunk worse than a dry drunk
1730117;1509170681;mircea_popescu;as the old "there's no rot worse than dry rot" ?
1730118;1509170746;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Companion phrase is "The second best treatment for the alcoholic problems is booze"
1730119;1509170867;BingoBoingo;Without the drinking to forget, all that remains is a big meatsack full of resentments.
1730120;1509170889;mircea_popescu;well... it's complicated.
1730121;1509170901;BingoBoingo;It is
1730122;1509171083;BingoBoingo;But, returning to DC swamp food desert what do alf tastes have to look forward to? How does one cope? Does alf go to distilled water and grain alcohol diet?
1730123;1509171208;BingoBoingo;In other news, Apple's "car play" infotainment software is coming to... The 2018 Honda Goldwing (2-wheels), this is sure to be lulzy
1730124;1509171368;BingoBoingo;Ah, such classic http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/
1730125;1509171835;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730101 << ftr, the canonical form is yolk only, no white no milk no nothing. << ah ok
1730126;1509171835;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 05:29 hanbot: <mod6> hanbot: eggwash = yoke included? << yeah, one egg whisked with splashomilk
1730127;1509171846;mod6;!!up mircea_popescu
1730128;1509171847;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1730129;1509171882;lobbes;"CarPlay is an Apple standard that enables a car radio or head unit to be a display and also act as a controller for an iPhone." << oh god
1730130;1509172012;lobbes;fwiw in the short-term, I may have lobbesbot start archiving wotpastes only and host them to my personal www
1730131;1509172118;lobbes;seems like that's been the main (only?) demand so far: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729991
1730132;1509172118;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:13 mod6: and it was pretty nifty that it had archived all of the pastes.
1730133;1509172335;lobbes;if anything: redundancy. And if in x $time trinque's vision becomes realized I'll be ready to relay whatever I got
1730134;1509172394;mod6;there's also a few other things mentioned in the thread above.
1730135;1509172469;lobbes;true. pdf converter top-priority
1730136;1509172492;mod6;yeah, kinda interesting little project there.
1730137;1509172530;lobbes;hmm. I'm sure it is above my skill, but so was everything else I've done here before I did it
1730138;1509173904;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730021 << archive.is is a (not esp. reliable, and easily, often, blocked by enemy) central point of failure, and to put further pressure on it is screaming lunacy
1730139;1509173904;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:28 mircea_popescu: the principal impediment to republican logging, atm, is that nobod yucan be arsed to write a html de-fucker ; there is one already written, by the archive.is dood, which spits out zips. the solutions then are either a) piggyback on that, which alf has (irresponsibly) been trying to obstruct throughout, and in the laughablest of manners or else b) make own, which will without exception require making own, and RIGHT NOW, not "n
1730140;1509173938;asciilifeform;'let's fetch all of our links via one ip' how is that alone not batshit and invitation for diddles.
1730141;1509173974;lobbes;plus, one day archive.is will be gone overnight
1730142;1509174001;asciilifeform;and author did ~not~ write 'html defucker', by all indications he has a headless browser which infects just like other graphical wwwtrons and is public toilet
1730143;1509174020;asciilifeform;lobbes: and yes, it will
1730144;1509174085;asciilifeform;and even if it stays up, author is a wotless heathen, can be relied on to, e.g., supply logs to enemy, insert boobytraps , lose or modify stored material, one day.
1730145;1509174165;asciilifeform;while the thing stays up and appears to work, it is spottily useful, like google cache et al. but to suggest to build it permanently into infrastructure is nonsense, and i can only assume mircea_popescu had a strong bottle when suggested it
1730146;1509174274;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730023 << pdf decrufter is similar item to graphical-www archiver, it is turing-complete op, and requires either absolutely correct soft (e.g. adatronic 100%) or sacrificial publictoilet iron.
1730147;1509174274;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:29 mircea_popescu: thatg aside, the more pressing problem is that we don't have a proper pdf-decrufter, (random moron with delusions of self-impoirtance failed to be useful, as you prolly recall), and if we're going to do something by hand this'd be more sorely needed than that.
1730148;1509174363;asciilifeform;fwiw i have one for publictoilet iron, it's a few line of bash, spits out result similar to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707238
1730149;1509174363;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 03:35 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html << example of one 'handmade' alternative to djvu & similar
1730150;1509174418;asciilifeform;the problem is where to host, if publicly accessible it needs potentially massive bandwidth, and if not public, is a fucking pain ( i won't be entering pw or whatever nonsense every time i want to click a link, wtf )
1730151;1509174566;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730032 << it's as reliable as the lift in a sov apt block
1730152;1509174566;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:48 mircea_popescu: wrt to scriba's archiving : it appears to be on now, and working since yesterday (26th). it did not work in the interval 10-25 october ; nor in the interval 2-8 october (limits included). so it for instance included http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729704 but not http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728494 and so following.
1730153;1509174609;asciilifeform;and as specifically-diddlable as if we were all to ride one particular lift every morning.
1730154;1509174777;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730047 << i sat down to write something quite similar, and then realized that i can milk a remote node for its rsa privkey via timing , lol. but fast forward to today. ffa still on track for release for end of nov. btw.
1730155;1509174777;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 23:12 trinque: anybody recall directconnect? probably closer to what the thing oughta look like than say gnutella, but with a hierarchy of nodes instead of connecting to one station.
1730156;1509174896;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730037 << am i the only 1 for whom spending btc feels moar like selling organs than spending money, tho
1730157;1509174896;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729970 << this is an altogether dubious point. magnolia went south IN SPITE of paying customers, through operator ineptitude.
1730158;1509174987;asciilifeform;at this point i am only willing to spend it on capital goodz ( i.e. where i have pretty solid notion that it can bring back the spent coin )
1730159;1509175105;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730050 << from where comes this idea ? just because it strips js ? it'll do 0 against, e.g., an overflow in jpeg renderer
1730160;1509175105;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 00:29 mircea_popescu: the great advantage of current archival mechanism is that it powerwashes the targets.
1730161;1509175391;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730112 << gotta liquidate my earthly goods, study moar ro-fu, and yes, pile up moar fuel for 1st stage of rocket
1730162;1509175391;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 06:02 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729713 << This is probably least healthy thing to be doing unless storing fuel for next "burn the ships on touching shore" move. The sorta resentments probable on returning to the big prison sound a lot like how people get lost in bottles.
1730163;1509175456;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730114 << funnily, the near-only thing not expensive in usa is booze. unlike in old su, nobody drinks cologne, notice
1730164;1509175456;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 06:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh, alcohol is expensive and doesn't exist. he's safe.
1730165;1509175548;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730122 << asciilifeform has expensive, unreliable, and difficult solutions for everything!111 but would prefer sanity.
1730166;1509175548;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 06:11 BingoBoingo: But, returning to DC swamp food desert what do alf tastes have to look forward to? How does one cope? Does alf go to distilled water and grain alcohol diet?
1730167;1509175614;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "Booze" cheap, pure grain alcohol not quite as
1730168;1509175636;asciilifeform;for what do i need this again ?
1730169;1509175663;BingoBoingo;because US lacks edible food now
1730170;1509175673;asciilifeform;it always lacked it, lol
1730171;1509175702;lobbes;asciilifeform> am i the only 1 for whom spending btc feels moar like selling organs than spending money, tho << this is a pretty spot-on description to my experience anytime I part with my btc
1730172;1509175714;BingoBoingo;But now more acutely for you, having done Rokatu trip on sub MP budget
1730173;1509175742;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is not first expedition for asciilifeform
1730174;1509175856;asciilifeform;btw BingoBoingo you could live like normal person for 20bux/d here; and like royalty for 50 . ( caveat : it's a natostan and usg-occupied in the east, naturally. tho you wouldn't be able to tell with naked eye. )
1730175;1509175954;*;asciilifeform bbl, off into town 
1730176;1509175956;BingoBoingo;Well, there's your bsns model. Get more pets, work them sucking cock. At $5 per cock and 4 cocks per hour, solve for pets.
1730177;1509179604;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1730178;1509179610;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5770.0, vol: 10356.50288917 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5747.4, vol: 33198.94476693 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5797.0, vol: 2590.63265763 | Volume-weighted last average: 5755.25662277
1730179;1509195286;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730094 << that's scandalous.
1730180;1509195286;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 03:42 BingoBoingo: !!rate felipelalli -1 Absent despite acknowledging receipt of communication on Republican state of necessity
1730181;1509195467;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730130 << here's what you can do : a) make lobbesbot dump all links it sees into archive.is ; b) have lobbesbot download and save all thusly produced archive.is .zips ; c) add a new function to lobbesbot whereby !Qarchive http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730124 produces a bill to the caller (something sane, say maybe 1 satoshi / mbite) and once paid, forwards him the zip encrypted to his k
1730182;1509195467;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 06:26 lobbes: fwiw in the short-term, I may have lobbesbot start archiving wotpastes only and host them to my personal www
1730183;1509195467;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 06:16 BingoBoingo: Ah, such classic http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/
1730184;1509195467;mircea_popescu;ey.
1730185;1509195559;mircea_popescu;(the figure was obtained through going "well, actual storage cost is 0.3 satoshi / MB as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730008 ; obviously other than storage there's also costs to dld and amortize the code, and some margin, so whatever, 1 / MB)
1730186;1509195559;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:19 mircea_popescu: anyway, storage is about 2 fiatcents aka 300 or so satoshi per gb
1730187;1509195625;mircea_popescu;lobbes you can also collate all these, only invoice > x sum for each user. you already have the infrastructure for that from auctions anyway.
1730188;1509195661;mircea_popescu;at first some stress testing will surely be welcome ; but on the long term can't flood trinque with 1 satoshi bills.
1730189;1509200286;mircea_popescu;and in other ancient lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-18#680370
1730190;1509200286;a111;Logged on 2014-05-18 11:04 mircea_popescu: !up ho_
1730191;1509201865;asciilifeform;in other lulz, at banat festival, not only peasant huts, fried cheeses, sausages of 9000 types, but shooting gallery a la carnival but with... m16
1730192;1509201888;asciilifeform;( why not kalash? where is your pride, ro folx !1! )
1730193;1509202062;mircea_popescu;god i hated those stupid shits.
1730194;1509202076;mircea_popescu;fucking put a carnival in the middle of the historic town, buncha retarded gypos.
1730195;1509202202;asciilifeform;edge not middle. near the zoo etc
1730196;1509202211;asciilifeform;the woodlands.
1730197;1509202217;mircea_popescu;oh oh ?
1730198;1509202230;asciilifeform;where the restored peasant huts, with oxcarts etc are
1730199;1509202231;mircea_popescu;at some point they built these temporary shits in between the opera house and the metropolitan church.
1730200;1509202239;mircea_popescu;a, that;'s nice.
1730201;1509202240;asciilifeform;near the mountain of executed-by-commies
1730202;1509202294;asciilifeform;also i finally found where to speak de : peasant chix at sausagery spoke
1730203;1509202305;asciilifeform;thought i'd leave without meeting 1 .
1730204;1509202314;mircea_popescu;many ppl do, german widely spoken/understood in ro banat.
1730205;1509202323;asciilifeform;is what i thought !
1730206;1509202337;asciilifeform;but nobody in shops , etc seemed to.
1730207;1509202358;mircea_popescu;prolly immigrants from teh oltenia.
1730208;1509202461;asciilifeform;then! cheese an' sausage d00d hears pet englisching and looked genuinely sad when asciilifeform did not want to buy his whole multi-kg supply
1730209;1509202475;asciilifeform;'but english! rich!'
1730210;1509202486;mircea_popescu;heh
1730211;1509202509;mircea_popescu;weren't you going to take a suitcase over to the tsa people anyway ?
1730212;1509202518;asciilifeform;also banatmuseum had 'typical hut of dekulakized kulak in '51'
1730213;1509202521;mircea_popescu;so they can throw out fine cheese while eating plastic shoes ?
1730214;1509202548;asciilifeform;i did take a case, they'll be stealing hats if 'lucky'
1730215;1509202586;asciilifeform;fwiw i have a 'get out of tsa 99.9%' membership
1730216;1509202639;asciilifeform;oh also was hut of 'typical ukr', 'typical serb', 'typical svabi'
1730217;1509202682;asciilifeform;these were perma-exhibits, oak, stone, mircea_popescu prolly saw already.
1730218;1509202695;mircea_popescu;aha. there's one in all major towns, also.
1730219;1509202706;asciilifeform;i can picture.
1730220;1509202709;mircea_popescu;brasov, cluj, iirc oradea also has, sighisoara, sibiu, so following
1730221;1509202758;asciilifeform;somewhat to my surprise there was, under covered rooflets, fancy furniture from 19th c, and even a 1880s ( i think) petrol engine, the 1cyl monster with flywheel
1730222;1509202766;asciilifeform;just standing there
1730223;1509202779;asciilifeform;( iirc in english called 'hit and miss motor' )
1730224;1509202810;asciilifeform;some distance away -- found the grain mill it once turned.
1730225;1509202922;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in nice boots, http://78.media.tumblr.com/3beb8d79229917781aeb926c2e7b5405/tumblr_ne9qfswgUR1u1v46io1_400.gif
1730226;1509210010;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730179 << When duty calls, it calls. And the answer is not trading pleasantries and then ghosting (11 days and counting) when questions come up.
1730227;1509210010;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 12:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730094 << that's scandalous.
1730228;1509213356;BingoBoingo;!~later tell felipelalli Sorry I missed your appearance today. Was digging sweet potatoes before we get a hard freeze tonight.
1730229;1509213356;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1730230;1509217086;mircea_popescu;aaand in other teeny tits, http://78.media.tumblr.com/b853b93429dbbac60998faf4aca59d2c/tumblr_nm4pa50oBE1u57hbxo1_1280.jpg
1730231;1509217237;alex__c;she cute
1730232;1509217322;alex__c;meanwhile in Timisoara, yesterday's Halloween party: https://imgur.com/a/z9P30
1730233;1509217341;alex__c;2 KKK guys, another with the kekistan flag lol
1730234;1509217367;mircea_popescu;ahaha wut are you dressed as ?
1730235;1509217392;alex__c;nothing really.. went for Amish when ppl asked
1730236;1509217499;mircea_popescu;aw dood totally, that last chick, that's a good idea.
1730237;1509217509;mircea_popescu;go around with fallout 1 scenes drawn on your head.
1730238;1509217590;alex__c;she won the contest, btw
1730239;1509217609;mircea_popescu;a fair cop.
1730240;1509218117;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1730241;1509218118;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 492105 | Current Difficulty: 1.452839779145E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 493919 | Next Difficulty In: 1814 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1730242;1509218123;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1730243;1509218128;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5758.06, vol: 7045.82958012 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5735.9, vol: 26607.30583513 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5764.8, vol: 2155.58034599 | Volume-weighted last average: 5741.9999634
1730244;1509218558;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency eur
1730245;1509218565;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 4959.049067, vol: 6967.15639213 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 4960.0, vol: 3128.44682563 | Volume-weighted last average: 4959.34374412
1730246;1509219899;BingoBoingo;In other mine chaff: " The Bond Market Is Supposed to Watch Out for Long-Term Problems. Why Isn’t It More Worried About Climate Change?"
1730247;1509220605;BingoBoingo;!!Up samO
1730248;1509220606;deedbot;samO voiced for 30 minutes.
1730249;1509226729;*;asciilifeform will be floating around in bucharest for a day
1730250;1509226800;BingoBoingo;Float well
1730251;1509230669;BingoBoingo;In other researching, apparently exploding security breifcases are available commercially off the shelf
1730252;1509230716;mircea_popescu;lol
1730253;1509230724;mircea_popescu;da fuck are you researching
1730254;1509230809;BingoBoingo;What can and can not be taken on Air plane
1730255;1509230854;BingoBoingo;Gotta make plans to move disks somehow
1730256;1509231290;mircea_popescu;encrypt to key, store online, move key.
1730257;1509231417;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730181 << I'll start working on getting this up and running. While I agree with alf that archive.is is a central point of failure, we nevertheless need something short-term
1730258;1509231417;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 12:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730130 << here's what you can do : a) make lobbesbot dump all links it sees into archive.is ; b) have lobbesbot download and save all thusly produced archive.is .zips ; c) add a new function to lobbesbot whereby !Qarchive http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730124 produces a bill to the caller (something sane, say maybe 1 satoshi / mbite) and once paid, forwards him the zip encrypted to his k
1730259;1509231458;lobbes;plus, I can always plug into whatever homebrew tmsr www-to-zip functionality comes along down the road
1730260;1509231481;mircea_popescu;quite.
1730261;1509231501;mircea_popescu;besides, can always build your own "take this silicon-valey produced vomit and extract the webpage from it" later.
1730262;1509233567;mircea_popescu;lobbes and for bonus points, once it's up you can also walk the logs and process links retrospectively.
1730263;1509234111;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/giancarlo-giannini-settebellezze-sessomatto/ << Trilema - Giancarlo Giannini : Settebellezze & Sessomatto
1730264;1509235508;lobbes;this is true. My only concern is my VPS's tiny storage space (~40 gb), although I did recently procure an old box that I could probably just slap a drive in to host the archives
1730265;1509235539;lobbes;like trinque estimated, probably only a drive's worth of archives to date in log's history
1730266;1509235787;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> encrypt to key, store online, move key.<< Not moving live disks, moving the decoy disks
1730267;1509238648;mircea_popescu;eh, by the time you fill 10gb with 100kb zips...
1730268;1509238691;mircea_popescu;for all the difference it makes you don't even have to host them live, dump them locally whenever you feel like.
1730269;1509244985;BingoBoingo;In other news, there sure are a lot of lawyers in Brazil specializing in "Trabalhista"
1730270;1509246356;BingoBoingo;And then there's the firm where 6 of 10 Socios specialize in "Contratos de Grande Complexidade"
1730271;1509249344;BingoBoingo;And 8 Brazilian law firms specializing in foreign investment and immigration will start their workweek with a message from a gringo.
1730272;1509251052;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in faux brazilian blondes, http://78.media.tumblr.com/f8a31dd975a1f8e414da19768931dc54/tumblr_nkqzor71cX1sfhnpeo1_1280.jpg
1730273;1509251748;ben_vulpes;in my remedial binary arithmetic studies recently, i wrote a routine to add a whole ONE!!!1! to an array of bits: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gNPCX/?raw=true
1730274;1509251752;ben_vulpes;i think it may even work
1730275;1509253952;BingoBoingo;In other escape plans 52 weeks of language classes can be had for 17472 Reals (~5416.32 USd)
1730276;1509264582;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730251 << lolwat. link ??
1730277;1509264582;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 22:44 BingoBoingo: In other researching, apparently exploding security breifcases are available commercially off the shelf
1730278;1509264612;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730256 << lol with wat? gpg’s aes ??
1730279;1509264612;a111;Logged on 2017-10-28 22:54 mircea_popescu: encrypt to key, store online, move key.
1730280;1509264890;asciilifeform;in other lulz, i was reading the infamous general pacepa - mega-runaway. sharp fella, but really? iraq wmd seekritly vanished by ru spies ? srsly?
1730281;1509264961;asciilifeform;the ‘cancer weapon’ on other hand is quite realistic, and for it to not show on any ordinary detector is also realistic, asciilifeform knows very well one possible variant of such a thing
1730282;1509265002;asciilifeform;many years ago, as a lab monkey, asciilifeform used (standard, commonplace) tritiated organic miscellany
1730283;1509265122;asciilifeform;ceaușescu et al easily could have created , similarly to modern chemotherapeutic items, tritiated (thereby alpha-emitting, mean free path in air ~1cm, in meat - mm ) compounds that travel to $organ of choice
1730284;1509265142;asciilifeform;and slowly do the victim in, ‘of natural causes’ .
1730285;1509265232;asciilifeform;( in lab, we used tritiated amino acids for ‘label’ in culture , unremarkable and extremely sharp tool )
1730286;1509279622;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pacepa ~= mike hearn.
1730287;1509279761;mircea_popescu;and re ceausescu's "cancer weapon", it was pure and simple radithor ; cleverly "codenamed" "radu".
1730288;1509279827;mircea_popescu;contrary to the aspirations of the anachronistic-minded science-fanfic author/consumer, the 1970s enjoyed 1970s tech ; and 1970s 2nd world shitholes (ie, the soviet bloc) enjoyed 1950s techs as a baseline. or as ceausescu's main tech theft guy said, "they'll sell us yesterday's technology for today's money, but what can you do."
1730289;1509280064;mircea_popescu;that aside, sure the tritium-chemotherapy "works". meanwhile you're stuck controlling the intended victim's alimentation for lenghty intervals while an alpha dosimeter can be had for a few hundred. (and works on corpses as well as on foods).
1730290;1509280104;mircea_popescu;if they're eating from the palm of your hand thusly, why are you inept enough to need to kill them.
1730291;1509280172;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in fake tits, http://78.media.tumblr.com/8f00dcc0f5c0a0e413297c5216920fb0/tumblr_ngm3tlyRYl1s9gtmoo1_1280.jpg
1730292;1509280524;shinohai;"Hmm ee see to be all out of fake tits, lemme just shove these grapefruits in there....perfect!
1730293;1509280582;mircea_popescu;tis.
1730294;1509283084;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730287 << spy chief would have to be a downs case to ‘stealthily’ poison a d00d with a gamma emitter, screamingly hot from across a room
1730295;1509283084;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 12:22 mircea_popescu: and re ceausescu's "cancer weapon", it was pure and simple radithor ; cleverly "codenamed" "radu".
1730296;1509283134;mircea_popescu;and this ever prevented anyone ?
1730297;1509283147;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730289 << nope. you feed him a lipid-soluble, it sticks around for years
1730298;1509283147;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 12:27 mircea_popescu: that aside, sure the tritium-chemotherapy "works". meanwhile you're stuck controlling the intended victim's alimentation for lenghty intervals while an alpha dosimeter can be had for a few hundred. (and works on corpses as well as on foods).
1730299;1509283148;mircea_popescu;i seem to recall ricin-dipped pellets shot out of umbrellas, at the high point of comedy
1730300;1509283180;asciilifeform;ricin is a pretty good poison, only detected because some remained in the bullet
1730301;1509283219;mircea_popescu;"screamingly obvious across the room" etc.
1730302;1509283265;asciilifeform;re dosimeter, see the mean free path item again, you need to put the carcass through a blender for this.
1730303;1509283272;mircea_popescu;anyway, if your "i just pulled this out of my ass" lipotherapy worked people would get chemotherapy plasters like whores get impgregnabilicy / tobacco quitting patches.
1730304;1509283279;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i own a blender.
1730305;1509283288;mircea_popescu;but no, you'd spread over a surface.
1730306;1509283307;mircea_popescu;you know, like histopathology worked since 1800s.
1730307;1509283348;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider how doping test picks up pot-smoking (chix in particular) months after the fact
1730308;1509283400;asciilifeform;or the thread re folx losing usa fat being sickened by the released liposoluble crud
1730309;1509283400;mircea_popescu;i am not debating liposolubility as a concept. i am pointing out to you that a) you've no basis for your claim that random item stolen from textbook is effectual here and b) that there's good reason to believe otherwise.
1730310;1509283412;asciilifeform;i dispute b
1730311;1509283418;mircea_popescu;aite, so you dispute.
1730312;1509283445;asciilifeform;‘stolen from textbook’ lol
1730313;1509283448;mircea_popescu;well ?
1730314;1509283454;asciilifeform;ever radiolabel with own hands ?
1730315;1509283482;mircea_popescu;this is known from legal practice, man comes to argue thing he has read in the law. meanwhile courts, in their attempt to emulate life, work by legal practice not by legal textbook.
1730316;1509283503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've also never driven a car with my own hands.
1730317;1509283528;asciilifeform;we’re talking 1950s tech, mircea_popescu . stalin’s mairanovsky prolly had it.
1730318;1509283534;asciilifeform;not death ray, no.
1730319;1509283546;mircea_popescu;we're talking specifically  anachronistic-minded science-fanfic.
1730320;1509283555;mircea_popescu;yes, COULD have had it. as it happens, did not have.
1730321;1509283576;asciilifeform;and you conclude this based on what?
1730322;1509283580;mircea_popescu;ming dinasty could have had apache helicopter, what.
1730323;1509283588;asciilifeform;not comparable.
1730324;1509283618;mircea_popescu;well, an exageration, but the point remains. alien can always land and go "hey, why don't you knot your shoes LIKE THIS ?" "fuck, it never occured." "idiots."
1730325;1509283659;asciilifeform;again no mega-tech here, radiolabeling was ordinary enough laboratory tech in late ‘50s.
1730326;1509283679;mircea_popescu;the problem in theory of knowledge / history of science is not existence but comprehension.
1730327;1509283706;mircea_popescu;all sorts of things existed quietly for varying lengths of time.
1730328;1509283713;asciilifeform;i have nfi whether it was ~fired~ in the field, separate q
1730329;1509283736;mircea_popescu;deeper q : we seem to have good reason to believe no soldier knew what the strange baton in his backpack was supposed to be/do.
1730330;1509283752;mircea_popescu;ie, let alone fired in field -- nobody knew the latch is a trigger, either.
1730331;1509283799;asciilifeform;i also admit that i dun see the appeal of a bullet that takes decade to plug a d00d
1730332;1509283809;asciilifeform;but possibly i’m thick
1730333;1509283823;mircea_popescu;as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730290
1730334;1509283823;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 12:28 mircea_popescu: if they're eating from the palm of your hand thusly, why are you inept enough to need to kill them.
1730335;1509283836;asciilifeform;2-3y maybe useful
1730336;1509283860;asciilifeform;if you can guarantee it with 1 dose
1730337;1509283884;mircea_popescu;you recall the wankery i took out of luminous in its ascension towards superluminous, with the "toxic blood" that then got retconned into "platonic paramour for some reason got the same brand so i can keep hoping because she cares about this but there's no cuckolding undertone here" ?
1730338;1509283895;asciilifeform;aa
1730339;1509283899;mircea_popescu;it was a bowl of spaghetti very specific to a sort of mind, the math grad student let's say.
1730340;1509283924;asciilifeform;it was silly yea
1730341;1509283927;mircea_popescu;there's a reason my rewrite doesn't feel like rolling through crusty sheets permeated by bum scent.
1730342;1509283940;asciilifeform;‘atomic bullet’ !
1730343;1509283952;mircea_popescu;and that reason is exactly excision of this kind of nonsense, as there exemplified.
1730344;1509283988;asciilifeform;i disagree that the two are in any way similar.
1730345;1509284001;mircea_popescu;in short, if the math grad students who didn't get tenure ever take over a country, ima be careful about liposoluble tritium tissue markers when visiting.
1730346;1509284038;asciilifeform;lol
1730347;1509284056;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile, there's cosubstantial problems preventing BOTH lobes of that conditional.
1730348;1509284088;asciilifeform;i’d buy a ‘they’ll whack you with a hammer in alley, not with fancy scoped rifle firing poisoned dart’ angle
1730349;1509284136;mircea_popescu;overfancy.
1730350;1509284144;mircea_popescu;there's an all-important difference between fancy and overfancy.
1730351;1509284148;asciilifeform;but there are cases where a 2-3y poison would make sense, and sov chronicles are replete with insinuations that at least 1 such, existed
1730352;1509284171;mircea_popescu;and it was radithor. that's where ceausescu got his.
1730353;1509284199;asciilifeform;any source other than herr pacepa for this detail ?
1730354;1509284221;mircea_popescu;i thought you thought him credible a minute earlier ?
1730355;1509284228;asciilifeform;( i’ll believe him, from lack of whom else )
1730356;1509284246;mircea_popescu;"general knowledge of they in the know" is the best i can do for sourcing. how do you know "how things were" ?
1730357;1509284286;mircea_popescu;there's no credible source as to how the whole nixon impeachment thing was entirely over people pissed off at vietnam, either.
1730358;1509284287;asciilifeform;i’ll buy.
1730359;1509284321;mircea_popescu;but i'm not about to sit here and believe the washington post matters politically or some such nonsense, am i.
1730360;1509284374;asciilifeform;heh
1730361;1509284414;*;asciilifeform bbl, bucharest streets 
1730362;1509288447;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/1950s-cretinetti-i-soliti-ignoti-il-vedovo/ << Trilema - 1950s Cretinetti : I soliti ignoti & Il vedovo
1730363;1509295342;ben_vulpes;http://gcaptain.com/inmarsat-shipboard-communication-platform-found-vulnerable-to-hacking/ "Inmarsat has since discontinued the 8.0 version of the platform and has recommended that customers revert back to AmosConnect 7.0 or switch to an email solution from one of their approved partners...this vulnerability would have been very difficult to exploit as it would require direct access to the shipboard PC that
1730364;1509295344;ben_vulpes;ran the AC8 email client...which would require an intruder to gain access to the ship and then to the computer." the computer which i'm just going to guess here is running windows.
1730365;1509296724;asciilifeform;meanwhile, holyfuq the variety of sov and nazi junk at bucharest fleamarket
1730366;1509296757;BingoBoingo;Why does it have to be junk? Just because it is soviet and nazi?
1730367;1509296795;asciilifeform;зенит, киев , etc cameras , medals ( sov, commie ro, 3 germanies ), bayonets, hellknows what else
1730368;1509296806;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: because trinkets mostly
1730369;1509296834;BingoBoingo;trinkets still make decent shrapnel
1730370;1509296836;asciilifeform;also some 70+ y.o. cigars, incl. a half-metre long one
1730371;1509296884;asciilifeform;iron cross from both world wars
1730372;1509296918;asciilifeform;( asking price ~1 benjie , asciilifeform decided ‘artful faek’ )
1730373;1509297003;asciilifeform;asciilifeform does not collect medals. though his own familymedals, pretty massive box, all ended up with collectors  , helped pay for plane tickets in ‘92
1730374;1509297114;asciilifeform;also i regret to inform that there are beggars and hobos in bucharest. the usual ones, and even some female ‘baba yaga’ looking specimens
1730375;1509297161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu’s ‘legal to beat bums’ item is clearly failing to catch mice, so to speak, here.
1730376;1509297178;asciilifeform;( though apparently worked great in timis )
1730377;1509297951;diana_coman;asciilifeform, Bucharest is on its own; first of all for size, but not only that
1730378;1509298019;diana_coman;I have yet to see in any other Romanian town the sort of squalor I saw in Bucharest
1730379;1509298097;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/10/29/unearthing-beauty-the-lower-rungs-of-the-art-patrons-ladder-and-a-newfound-appreciation-of-time/ <<  Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Unearthing beauty, the lower rungs of the art patrons ladder, and a newfound appreciation of time.
1730380;1509298934;*;BingoBoingo about to reread Hong Kong material. 
1730381;1509299242;asciilifeform;diana_coman: almost reminds me of chicago
1730382;1509299278;asciilifeform;( i’d still rather live here than anywhere i’ve been in usa tho.. )
1730383;1509299530;diana_coman;iirc the "old centre" has been renovated during past few years and it looked ok, but it's relatively small; many of the relics of former glory have either been demolished long time ago or otherwise are left to crumble
1730384;1509299812;asciilifeform;the national bank has a gigantic glass window on the ground in front of it, into what looks like archaeological dig, deep catacomb underneath it
1730385;1509300561;diana_coman;ah, yes, several rounds of catacombs as it were; the oldest should be indeed in the "old centre"-cismigiu park - mitropolie area but then others leading further out as well; not very much is made public on them though
1730386;1509300794;diana_coman;capital was moved to Bucharest precisely because it was in the middle of the plains and easily accessible /plundered + not far on horseback from across Danube; so escape routes & hiding places make sense
1730387;1509303880;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730364 << i had direct access to that computer aboard eg argentina's buquebus .
1730388;1509303880;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 16:42 ben_vulpes: ran the AC8 email client...which would require an intruder to gain access to the ship and then to the computer." the computer which i'm just going to guess here is running windows.
1730389;1509303923;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730367 << zenit is to this day the badge of the retarded hipster whore.
1730390;1509303923;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 17:06 asciilifeform: зенит, киев , etc cameras , medals ( sov, commie ro, 3 germanies ), bayonets, hellknows what else
1730391;1509303958;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730372 << conceivable it's genuine ; hard to tell without item.
1730392;1509303958;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 17:08 asciilifeform: ( asking price ~1 benjie , asciilifeform decided ‘artful faek’ )
1730393;1509310832;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730389 << srsly, someone still uses?! asciilifeform’s father used, in ‘80s. then asciilifeform used much laters, in usa, thing was quite gnarly, exponometer neverworked, demanded extinct sovbattery
1730394;1509310832;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 19:05 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730367 << zenit is to this day the badge of the retarded hipster whore.
1730395;1509310942;asciilifeform;anybody who can work that thing in earnest, can’t be too deeply touched, is at least ‘functioning’ tard.
1730396;1509311078;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730383 << asciilifeform just returned from ~15km grunt through bucharest ; quite the ‘neuromancer’ town
1730397;1509311078;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 17:52 diana_coman: iirc the "old centre" has been renovated during past few years and it looked ok, but it's relatively small; many of the relics of former glory have either been demolished long time ago or otherwise are left to crumble
1730398;1509311108;asciilifeform;i suspect BingoBoingo would fall in luvv withit
1730399;1509311165;asciilifeform;picture, e.g, d00d in a bathrobe, in front of mercedes, hood popped, in one hand flashlight , in other - meat cleaver
1730400;1509311192;asciilifeform;factory next block with forest growing through roof
1730401;1509311384;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730387 << bus with sat terminal ?!
1730402;1509311384;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 19:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730364 << i had direct access to that computer aboard eg argentina's buquebus .
1730403;1509311521;asciilifeform;gurlz here, btw, still night and day vs usa, it is not even a fair fight, like comparing usa to africa
1730404;1509311826;asciilifeform;stupendous qty of monuments to ‘victims of the mineriads’ ( see mp’s description of what it was, in logz somewhere )
1730405;1509312179;davout;asciilifeform: what's a zenit?
1730406;1509312964;asciilifeform;!~google фотоаппарат зенит
1730407;1509312965;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Зенит ( фотоаппарат ) — Википедия: <https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%2597%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B8%25D1%2582_(%25D1%2584%25D0%25BE%25D1%2582%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BF%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B0%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0%25D1%2582)>; Zenit ( camera ) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenit_(camera)>; Зенит (фотоаппаратура) — Википедия: (1 more message)
1730408;1509312982;asciilifeform;davout: subj ^^
1730409;1509313065;asciilifeform;ancient sov slr camera.
1730410;1509313324;davout;interesting 'photosniper' variant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenit_(camera)#/media/File:Photosniper_-_assembled.jpg
1730411;1509316085;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have to say description of bucharest does make Romania sound more interesting
1730412;1509316266;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> gurlz here, btw, still night and day vs usa, it is not even a fair fight, like comparing usa to africa << On the wife visa shops Romania puts out a lot of trannies and genderconfuseds compared to say Brazil and Former British British China
1730413;1509316403;*;BingoBoingo uses OKC with MP god mode cheats to scout foreign geographies
1730414;1509316560;BingoBoingo;If nothing else, helps with lanuage practice
1730415;1509327549;*;BingoBoingo found a datacenter in Peru, they are getting a solicitation.
1730416;1509328788;BingoBoingo;Hopefully more Brazilian lawyers will start talking this week, but the impression is starting to grow that Brazil's goverment bleeds businesses Chicago style. Death by a thousand fees.
1730417;1509328855;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730395 << no, that's what they like about it, that nobody can work it therefore making art "fair".
1730418;1509328855;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 21:02 asciilifeform: anybody who can work that thing in earnest, can’t be too deeply touched, is at least ‘functioning’ tard.
1730419;1509328923;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730401 << buquebus is this ferry service between montevideo and buenos aires. they use really large boats, can comfortably take your car with etc. pretty shitty service though.
1730420;1509328923;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 21:09 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730387 << bus with sat terminal ?!
1730421;1509328982;BingoBoingo;I remember that post!
1730422;1509329005;mircea_popescu;8kton  / 6 cat diesels worth 34mw. pretty decent item, per se. sadly, argentines.
1730423;1509329060;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/mps-guide-to-boat-travel-from-upon-the-very-boat-in-question/
1730424;1509329080;mircea_popescu;ah, that's actually a different boat iirc.
1730425;1509329109;mircea_popescu;anyway, the item is say 1/6 battleship. has satlink onboard.
1730426;1509329164;BingoBoingo;That's a pretty big river cruiser
1730427;1509329179;mircea_popescu;well it's like the world's largest estuary.
1730428;1509329201;BingoBoingo;Mississippi doesn't get boats close to that big until south of the Ohio river confluence
1730429;1509329304;mircea_popescu;well it's also not 80 miles across is itn ow.
1730430;1509329325;BingoBoingo;Yeah, the boats go up/down river instead of across
1730431;1509329335;BingoBoingo;And the birds theive their cargo
1730432;1509329336;mircea_popescu;aha,
1730433;1509329489;BingoBoingo;North of Missouri river confluence Mississippi only gets wimp boats, Missouri confluence to Ohio confluence boats get respectable sized, South of Ohio confluence you get barge trains longer than the towns they pass with pushboat sized like the vaguely riverboat shaped stationary casinos moored upriver
1730434;1509329542;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730399 << ahahahaha! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hfvk4CoJy0
1730435;1509329542;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 21:06 asciilifeform: picture, e.g, d00d in a bathrobe, in front of mercedes, hood popped, in one hand flashlight , in other - meat cleaver
1730436;1509329679;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730413 << bwahaha.
1730437;1509329679;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 22:33 BingoBoingo uses OKC with MP god mode cheats to scout foreign geographies
1730438;1509329730;BingoBoingo;How else does one practice languages before going to areas where X-language-ophones can be seduced in the wild
1730439;1509329831;BingoBoingo;In brazil you can start a lot of conversations with "Oi, tudo bem? Please tell me you don't get winter over there"
1730440;1509329883;BingoBoingo;And from there it's a matter of screening the population for indicators of humanity
1730441;1509331647;*;BingoBoingo hoping for good news outta Peru. Maybe it splits the middle of Hong Kong with cheap compliance and bloody expense for presence and Brazil which would offer less bleeding on presence but apparently more bleeding on existing as business.
1730442;1509333458;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1730443;1509333465;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6108.0, vol: 16879.13666940 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6129.0, vol: 64313.78523308 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6115.5, vol: 4468.93856749 | Volume-weighted last average: 6124.15779206
1730444;1509333477;BingoBoingo;OMG back to crashing!
1730445;1509334680;BingoBoingo;!!up wyatt06
1730446;1509334680;deedbot;wyatt06 voiced for 30 minutes.
1730447;1509335652;BingoBoingo;And in other bad touches: "Actor Anthony Rapp has come forward with allegations that Kevin Spacey made a sexual advance toward him when he was 14 years old, BuzzFeed reports."
1730448;1509341097;mircea_popescu;aaand in other funhaving,  http://78.media.tumblr.com/a19a8522727bec83589667577e30215a/tumblr_nh7rxzZ14d1ttr86so1_500.gif
1730449;1509344194;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-30#1730419 << aaah there is one of these in nyc
1730450;1509344194;a111;Logged on 2017-10-30 02:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730401 << buquebus is this ferry service between montevideo and buenos aires. they use really large boats, can comfortably take your car with etc. pretty shitty service though.
1730451;1509344248;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-30#1730417 << fwiw i worked it.
1730452;1509344248;a111;Logged on 2017-10-30 02:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730395 << no, that's what they like about it, that nobody can work it therefore making art "fair".
1730453;1509344338;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730412 << i dun see how those could fool anybody, they haven’t the bone struct
1730454;1509344338;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 22:31 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> gurlz here, btw, still night and day vs usa, it is not even a fair fight, like comparing usa to africa << On the wife visa shops Romania puts out a lot of trannies and genderconfuseds compared to say Brazil and Former British British China
1730455;1509344400;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-30#1730416 << unlike... which gov, and where??
1730456;1509344400;a111;Logged on 2017-10-30 01:59 BingoBoingo: Hopefully more Brazilian lawyers will start talking this week, but the impression is starting to grow that Brazil's goverment bleeds businesses Chicago style. Death by a thousand fees.
1730457;1509356583;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The weirdos even are bold enough to advertise as such.
1730458;1509356824;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure every gov does, but the difference is in degrees. Only when solidly in Chicagoan maleboge does one find law protecting "sign hangers guild", haven't found such in Sao Paulo... yet.
1730459;1509357760;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1730460;1509357765;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6169.82, vol: 16532.70459568 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6173.8, vol: 65072.5746409 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6157.0, vol: 4562.20553604 | Volume-weighted last average: 6172.14687971
1730461;1509360130;davout;ohai
1730462;1509360175;davout;anyone here with a UK bank account able/interested in doing a £12,000 bank transfer for me?
1730463;1509365189;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/yRiA6 << in other lulz
1730464;1509365243;asciilifeform;‘The Tubbs fire consumed the collected archives of William Hewlett and David Packard, the tech pioneers who in 1938 formed an electronics company in a Palo Alto garage with $538 in cash’
1730465;1509375370;mod6;hola
1730466;1509377668;mircea_popescu;in other "apple could buy russia", someone actually found a use for their crap : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGY2T9r1Ok
1730467;1509377725;mod6;haha
1730468;1509377749;mircea_popescu;davout did they drop the "anti money laundering" bs in the uk magically ?
1730469;1509377805;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "carly fiorina, the feminist imbecile (but we repeat ourselves) that burned the life's work of the two tech pioneers to the ground is not being held for questioning over the fire."
1730470;1509377835;mircea_popescu;it was you know, like pantsuited hilarity's hilariously misimplemented home server, "an unrelated accident".
1730471;1509385453;BingoBoingo;In other news, Manafort indicted, surrenders; hours later TONY PODESTA resigns from the Podesta Firm
1730472;1509385580;BingoBoingo;Manafort charges relate to activities as an ideologue without borders 4 years ago in Ukraine
1730473;1509385744;mircea_popescu;heh
1730474;1509385801;mircea_popescu;nuland sharing a cell with rice will be a pleasant development on the way to obama-in-FPC-montgomery
1730475;1509386023;mircea_popescu;wtf is socialism even for, if not the https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWsgW3WUAAEmTHK.jpg lulz
1730476;1509386063;mircea_popescu;aaand in other young'uns, http://78.media.tumblr.com/371567ede1e7dfe3056a10fd30da6bd3/tumblr_nm49j5l8AB1trku85o1_1280.jpg
1730477;1509386150;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/il-coccodrillo-amico-delluomo/ << Trilema - Il coccodrillo amico dell'uomo
1730478;1509386817;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1730479;1509386829;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6144.57, vol: 15112.24425332 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6130.7, vol: 57356.68905165 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6142.4, vol: 4292.06847457 | Volume-weighted last average: 6134.08484416
1730480;1509387811;BingoBoingo;!!Up alex__c
1730481;1509387812;deedbot;alex__c voiced for 30 minutes.
1730482;1509387850;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I thought aim was Bahamas in ADX Florence, or USP Marion
1730483;1509388085;mircea_popescu;alabamy!
1730484;1509388134;BingoBoingo;But Marion has irony because Illinois, yet located in anti-Chicago. And Noriega was there
1730485;1509388136;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jb0NlRJf98
1730486;1509388146;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo solid points.
1730487;1509388259;BingoBoingo;If Illinois still operated State supermax at Tamms it would be leading candidate, as far from Chicago as one can get in Illinois and like ADX Florence but overcrowded in its time
1730488;1509388386;*;BingoBoingo just found and contacted secong peruvian datacenter
1730489;1509388753;BingoBoingo;In other responses to the Manifort indictment, Kevin Spacey insists he was very drunk and btw is gay.
1730490;1509388767;mircea_popescu;ehehehe
1730491;1509388779;mircea_popescu;living the times of lulz >>> living the times of interesting.
1730492;1509389762;BingoBoingo;It really is
1730493;1509394919;mircea_popescu;and in other "trilema is here to serve"s, http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#comment-123358
1730494;1509395398;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at teh selfie farm, http://78.media.tumblr.com/c171af173f438bff1fc4432e0bd1110e/tumblr_niahh4LVrY1t0n0p0o1_1280.jpg
1730495;1509397532;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-30#1730468 <<< didn't even get that far yet
1730496;1509397532;a111;Logged on 2017-10-30 15:35 mircea_popescu: davout did they drop the "anti money laundering" bs in the uk magically ?
1730497;1509397660;davout;the british appear to me as the most intensely annoying people i've ever encountered, in ways i can't always put a finger on yet
1730498;1509399975;BingoBoingo;!!Up mircea_popescu
1730499;1509399976;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
1730500;1509399981;BingoBoingo;!!up felipelalli
1730501;1509399981;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1730502;1509400000;mircea_popescu;http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/06/books/enough-true-belivers-to-run-a-small-war.html?pagewanted=all << in long forgotten cia lulz.
1730503;1509400002;felipelalli;Hi BingoBoingo !
1730504;1509400016;felipelalli;Really sorry for the long delay. Who is alive always back!
1730505;1509400049;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: So what do you know about the incorporation process in Brazil>
1730506;1509400161;felipelalli;Incorporation? Do you mean open a new company? You should stay in contact with a "Contador". It's a kind of company that helps you to deal with the bureaucracy.
1730507;1509400245;felipelalli;I can suggest Acerf (our partner) or Grupo Mary Parceria (this last one is from the wife of my father).
1730508;1509400325;mircea_popescu;felipelalli he's thinking of starting a business in brazil.
1730509;1509400328;felipelalli;But a business in Brazil is *really* complicated. Very expensive, a lot of taxes and bureaucracy, lots of headaches.
1730510;1509400357;felipelalli;Nice mircea_popescu. An  ISP?
1730511;1509400541;mircea_popescu;yeah
1730512;1509400558;mircea_popescu;!!key Ridhme
1730513;1509400559;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/12FF35AF14368E9DD4FEDAB05C0A3ADAA9DEED06.asc
1730514;1509400599;felipelalli;I'm using an irc from my mobile without an irc bouncer, so please tell me guys if I am flooding the channel with "entering" and "exiting" messages. If so, I will provide the bouncer again. I was using one that just stopped to work and I was too busy to setup another one.
1730515;1509400636;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: jhvh1 is indeed a new bot
1730516;1509400645;BingoBoingo;!~step1
1730517;1509400645;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
1730518;1509400737;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: There's a strong preference for involving an actual lawyer and accountant. Preferably through an arrangement where they can't walk off with the capital.
1730519;1509400750;felipelalli;What is this pub key?
1730520;1509400903;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: It's prolly mp managing his vidja game
1730521;1509401045;felipelalli;The two companies I told you is an actual accountant. Both of my trust. They have partner lawyers.
1730522;1509401126;felipelalli;jhvh1 means something or just a random name?
1730523;1509401187;BingoBoingo;You'll have to ask shinohai
1730524;1509401263;felipelalli;BingoBoingo:  have to go now, I'll drive. I can help you for sure. But are you sure you want to open something here?
1730525;1509401321;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Well, Hong Kong and now Peru are also competing for the business. The thing is anywhere a person has to do a business that touches fiat dollars is going to have some expense and hassel.
1730526;1509401534;BingoBoingo;In other news, two way communications has been established with a Peruvian data center.
1730527;1509403403;*;asciilifeform back in the idjitreich.
1730528;1509404848;BingoBoingo;I'm very sorry for your loss
1730529;1509405083;asciilifeform;lol
1730530;1509405403;BingoBoingo;Perhaps you need more to put the fire to your feet on escaping? Have you tried an all "Taco Bell" diet?
1730531;1509405824;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun have a pad in ceaușescustan yet, wat
1730532;1509405847;BingoBoingo;Why didn't you pack a tent? If it works for the Gypsies...
1730533;1509405867;asciilifeform;asciilifeform’s lab dun fit in no tent.
1730534;1509405897;asciilifeform;even if jettisoning the dead trees, which is in the cards.
1730535;1509406002;BingoBoingo;https://www.thegazebostore.com/pt2040.html
1730536;1509406016;mircea_popescu;alf sells medal collection, flies back with fambly, 20 years later!
1730537;1509406631;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/appassionata/ << Trilema - Appassionata
1730538;1509407455;asciilifeform;lol ro counts as ‘back’ nao ??
1730539;1509407637;mircea_popescu;sure. other shore of te lake.
1730540;1509409664;mircea_popescu;aaand in other highschool educations, http://78.media.tumblr.com/037f2f28a3fa86abeb3f720dc9b96e5d/tumblr_njayyc0y7s1rk5oqro1_500.gif
1730541;1509418003;mircea_popescu;so i'm purging dead sites from trilema's ancient, endless indexes. there's a lot. including lulz like http://invizibili.com
1730542;1509419286;BingoBoingo;In in other, really, a javascript calculator for this? https://www.expedient.com/data-center-build-vs-buy-calculator/#
1730543;1509420061;mircea_popescu;java script will save us.
1730544;1509420714;BingoBoingo;So, one option that is looking increasingly viable is starting ISP in Peru and moving to Brazil, because Peru is easy way into Mercosur and Brazil as continent's lone soverign appears to be Argentina on Steroids when it comes to protectionism
1730545;1509420770;BingoBoingo;Or build datacenter/cybercafe around 2 year mark in Peru
1730546;1509420880;BingoBoingo;Brazil indeed appears to be lax on visa overstays, but tends to burden gringo passports with stamp that rules out future travel to asia if fate points in that direction
1730547;1509420980;BingoBoingo;And inmates of the big prison can only change their Brazilian visa status by returning to the big prison to deal with the consulate, because reciprocity (but for some reason reciprocity does not extend to chest x-rays for tuberculosis, at least through Chicago consulate's territory. Miami consulate may differ.)
1730548;1509421097;BingoBoingo;!~later tell felipelalli Pls to offer contact information for these firms
1730549;1509421097;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1730550;1509421399;BingoBoingo;!!up felipelalli
1730551;1509421399;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1730552;1509421407;BingoBoingo;Oi, tudo bem?
1730553;1509421596;felipelalli;Tudo ótimo! :)
1730554;1509421604;felipelalli;Here is 1:46 am. Lol
1730555;1509421619;BingoBoingo;Well, I am still learning.
1730556;1509421700;felipelalli;I can send you the contacts by email?
1730557;1509421711;mircea_popescu;you got his key don;t you ?
1730558;1509421716;felipelalli;I don't know if they can speak English, I'll inform myself.
1730559;1509421731;felipelalli;If they can't, I can try to help.
1730560;1509422212;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: If they can't speak English I can learn enough protugese if they communicate by writing
1730561;1509422292;felipelalli;Ok, I send to you until tomorrow by email? I'll contact them and say about you. Could you give me more information about you and your business by email? Thank you!
1730562;1509422549;BingoBoingo;Pm'd the email I have been using for this search. I would like to start an Internet services business in Latin America as soon as possible with a route to permanent residency. If that means investor visa fine. If that means marrying a good looking cousin of theirs also fine.
1730563;1509422642;BingoBoingo;Also I only give my Whatsapp number to girls
1730564;1509422815;felipelalli;Ahah ok! I guess it would be easy to get a Brazilian residency.
1730565;1509422828;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Just remember, Brazil's competing with Peru now. Lima may not be Vila Maria, Sao Paulo; but it does have datacenter builders http://integrity.pe/#nosotros
1730566;1509422865;BingoBoingo;<felipelalli> Ahah ok! I guess it would be easy to get a Brazilian residency. << Try telling that to the Brazilian consulate of Chicago
1730567;1509435045;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-final-gasp-two-for-the-money/ << Trilema - The final gasp : Two for the money
1730568;1509453940;shinohai;!!up cazalla
1730569;1509453941;deedbot;cazalla voiced for 30 minutes.
1730570;1509453945;shinohai;o/ m8
1730571;1509453964;cazalla;  hai
1730572;1509453973;cazalla;drunk as je skunk
1730573;1509453989;cazalla;cant remeember if gpg pwd on this comp or even remember it
1730574;1509453991;cazalla;no matter
1730575;1509454046;cazalla;i am off soon from australkiski
1730576;1509454072;cazalla;soon anyway
1730577;1509454094;cazalla;missus doesnt want to come but time to get out from this commmie shithole to at leat some place little bit better
1730578;1509454128;cazalla;cant save country, cant save commmunity, cant save family, can save self
1730579;1509454131;cazalla;sad as it is
1730580;1509454151;shinohai;indeed
1730581;1509454168;cazalla;stupid bitch thinks australia is safe bet, is over here
1730582;1509454171;shinohai;im trying to escape the confines of murica
1730583;1509454182;shinohai;asciilifeform 's tales of travel make one long for it.
1730584;1509454185;cazalla;got my polish citizenship and eu passport
1730585;1509454187;cazalla;so am done here
1730586;1509454221;cazalla;its done here
1730587;1509454230;cazalla;australia finished
1730588;1509454247;cazalla;well if you try to escape 'merica
1730589;1509454274;cazalla;i always thought we german, well, paternal side, but all bullshit, actually polski
1730590;1509454293;shinohai;Companion wants us to visit switzerland and liechtenstein
1730591;1509454298;cazalla;cost a bit but now just wait for documents and i can gtfo of this fucking commie shithole
1730592;1509454306;cazalla;but stupid missus thinks safer here
1730593;1509454318;cazalla;cant steal kids
1730594;1509454329;cazalla;so she dooms them, not me
1730595;1509454349;shinohai;:/
1730596;1509454350;shinohai;sux
1730597;1509454377;cazalla;oh well such is life
1730598;1509454391;shinohai;Lulzy I believe I have said numerous times this was coming: http://archive.is/hhmZL
1730599;1509454408;shinohai;"Hardware scam didn't work guys, let's try an ICO!!!!!"
1730600;1509454428;cazalla;reply to spam
1730601;1509454433;cazalla;boomers are a shoe in
1730602;1509454488;cazalla;muh plan to buy apartment in poland
1730603;1509454499;cazalla;go fuck fkn ukraine sluts
1730604;1509454507;cazalla;maybe marry one and start family again
1730605;1509454559;cazalla;even though missus pregant with 3rd bubs
1730606;1509454561;cazalla;hate to admit
1730607;1509454576;cazalla;maybe you get 1 good one, one special from, from 1 bubs in 10,000
1730608;1509454586;cazalla;i think i read some mircea_popescu article on this before
1730609;1509454590;cazalla;feels include, hard to do
1730610;1509454598;cazalla;feels aside, ezmode, fuck more womens
1730611;1509454655;shinohai;ls wimminz/ | grep `perfect`
1730612;1509454732;cazalla;once move, maybe 3 or 4 familys, why not hehehe
1730613;1509454754;cazalla;not an intellectual, may as well fuck and make babies
1730614;1509454772;cazalla;this fucking bitch here
1730615;1509454776;cazalla;i even go hat in hand
1730616;1509454785;cazalla;say only fair i have more than 1 missus
1730617;1509454792;cazalla;on account i can pay for it
1730618;1509454795;cazalla;oh no
1730619;1509454802;cazalla;god forbid
1730620;1509454827;cazalla;god forbid one have kids to another woman
1730621;1509454856;cazalla;missus is pregnantt but will make 3, i think more than fair to have another missus to make another 3 = 6 kids total here
1730622;1509454873;cazalla;but tbh i want like 50 before i die, what else to do with money? porsche can stick it up the ass
1730623;1509454896;shinohai;It's just increasing # of viable heirs! :D
1730624;1509454910;cazalla;exactly
1730625;1509454913;cazalla;im a write off
1730626;1509454935;cazalla;but can fuck and if super lucky get 1 out of 10,000 worthy of the money
1730627;1509454958;cazalla;dumb bitch thinks oney should be split evenly
1730628;1509454964;cazalla;whho ever heard of such stupid shit
1730629;1509455006;shinohai;Man this equality of the sexes thing supports so many notions of communism, lol
1730630;1509455038;cazalla;not women here even worth making near even
1730631;1509455039;cazalla;fat
1730632;1509455042;cazalla;delisional
1730633;1509455045;cazalla;poor
1730634;1509455047;cazalla;fucked
1730635;1509455051;cazalla;wouldnt e ven pay to fuck
1730636;1509455068;cazalla;utter gutter trash, u pay me to fuck u without condom fucking bitch
1730637;1509455094;cazalla;but by same token, fuck
1730638;1509455113;cazalla;first child took 6 months to knock this bitch up
1730639;1509455119;cazalla;2nd child, 2 months
1730640;1509455143;cazalla;mind you, by 3rd, i been going bush, lifting weights, not mich drinking, just eating meat, liver, kidney, drinking all the time
1730641;1509455145;cazalla;2 fucks and bang
1730642;1509455152;cazalla;fkn woman pregnant
1730643;1509455158;shinohai;There are no decent women in my location. I feel I have nothing to talk about with them - their idea of literature is the "Sweet Valley High" series or Stephanie Meyer shit.
1730644;1509455167;shinohai;No one reads
1730645;1509455169;shinohai;lol
1730646;1509455181;cazalla;my woman
1730647;1509455190;cazalla;so cute and attractive when i meet her at first
1730648;1509455191;cazalla;now
1730649;1509455194;cazalla;meh
1730650;1509455198;cazalla;disgusting
1730651;1509455220;cazalla;when i met her, i thoguht 5 years younger than me
1730652;1509455225;cazalla;nw, 5 years older than me
1730653;1509455238;cazalla;good mother, but bitchy even with a good fucking
1730654;1509455245;cazalla;these fucking western women
1730655;1509455260;shinohai;Maybe she needs drugz
1730656;1509455271;cazalla;nah too straight for that
1730657;1509455274;cazalla;goo heart
1730658;1509455280;cazalla;but lousy fuck
1730659;1509455282;cazalla;worst
1730660;1509455291;cazalla;WORST
1730661;1509455320;cazalla;kindest heart
1730662;1509455329;cazalla;suitable mother
1730663;1509455333;cazalla;but worst fuck
1730664;1509455337;cazalla;best fuck?
1730665;1509455344;cazalla;would've been worst mother
1730666;1509455348;cazalla;fuck it all
1730667;1509455370;cazalla;cant win so i am out
1730668;1509455398;cazalla;my son is 4 by january, nothing out of the ordinary
1730669;1509455411;cazalla;my daughter 18 months, cute but big slav head like me
1730670;1509455426;cazalla;next one, unknown sex, due april 2018
1730671;1509455439;cazalla;but aus law wont allow me to marry off dauigthers
1730672;1509455443;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730584 << say moar re how ?
1730673;1509455443;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 12:49 cazalla: got my polish citizenship and eu passport
1730674;1509455444;cazalla;wahts the point?
1730675;1509455457;cazalla;well asciilifeform
1730676;1509455472;cazalla;my father born in gdansk
1730677;1509455476;cazalla;my grandfrather borh reda
1730678;1509455478;asciilifeform;aaa
1730679;1509455482;cazalla;but drafted in wehrmacht
1730680;1509455487;cazalla;but only 19
1730681;1509455490;cazalla;join or die
1730682;1509455495;cazalla;escaped twice
1730683;1509455504;asciilifeform;volksdeutsch?
1730684;1509455508;cazalla;and join allies from ussr
1730685;1509455518;cazalla;was in a tank battaltion
1730686;1509455535;cazalla;so polska but germanicized
1730687;1509455541;cazalla;sent to eastern ront twice
1730688;1509455546;asciilifeform;neato
1730689;1509455552;cazalla;i dont give a fuck either way
1730690;1509455563;cazalla;demmed polska, allow me polish blood citizenshio
1730691;1509455568;*;asciilifeform does not have any ‘useful relatives’ in this sense.
1730692;1509455573;cazalla;really?
1730693;1509455578;asciilifeform;really.
1730694;1509455584;cazalla;how so
1730695;1509455595;cazalla;these polaron people dug up all  types of shit on my grandparents
1730696;1509455604;cazalla;i show u
1730697;1509455616;asciilifeform;100% su, and modern ru doesn’t give out nonresident passports.
1730698;1509455628;asciilifeform;not unless yer a famous frenchie or similar
1730699;1509455782;asciilifeform;!!up cazalla
1730700;1509455782;deedbot;cazalla voiced for 30 minutes.
1730701;1509455818;cazalla;ty
1730702;1509455841;cazalla;https://imgur.com/a/4yZG3
1730703;1509455868;cazalla;even with 23andme done
1730704;1509455872;cazalla;am like 40% EE
1730705;1509455897;cazalla;2.3% german despite fathers grandfatehrs parents speaking minor german
1730706;1509455916;cazalla;no data or anything but suggest maybe father father pretend to be german to get here in australia
1730707;1509455929;cazalla;and bit of jewish god forbid
1730708;1509455931;asciilifeform;and from strictly the 23 crackpottery, they gave you passport ?!
1730709;1509455935;cazalla;23andme
1730710;1509455950;cazalla;wel no, just waiting on paperwork to be done
1730711;1509455957;cazalla;but htey clai 99% success rate
1730712;1509455969;cazalla;so effectively yyes
1730713;1509455978;cazalla;untless in >1%
1730714;1509455987;asciilifeform;i suspect scamola, or whole fucking planet could get in eu
1730715;1509456002;cazalla;well they are well recommeneded
1730716;1509456009;cazalla;minute i get passport
1730717;1509456012;asciilifeform;usa , for starters, would empty
1730718;1509456021;cazalla;im on plane and gone from this shitehole
1730719;1509456025;cazalla;more usa dont have the money
1730720;1509456027;asciilifeform;cazalla: do tell, if this happens
1730721;1509456043;asciilifeform;what money, a few kbux ?
1730722;1509456051;cazalla;2800$aud
1730723;1509456054;asciilifeform;most of usa has creditcard.
1730724;1509456056;cazalla;about 2000 US
1730725;1509456064;asciilifeform;lol!!
1730726;1509456072;cazalla;u ever wish your parents never come to us asciilifeform ?
1730727;1509456075;asciilifeform;that ain’t money
1730728;1509456084;asciilifeform;cazalla: every fucking day
1730729;1509456085;cazalla;it is for most people
1730730;1509456114;asciilifeform;aite, would empty but for hobos
1730731;1509456120;cazalla;same, i wonder if my keen eagerness to learn polski is my sense of disgust of angloness
1730732;1509456140;asciilifeform;then again i’ve seen hobos with crapples and a crapple costs 3k usd.
1730733;1509456193;asciilifeform;cazalla: jeszcze polska ne zginela !
1730734;1509456214;cazalla;ruski realy not have jus sannguinis
1730735;1509456253;asciilifeform;they do, but it’s only good for passport with a couple fewer yrs of hanging around
1730736;1509456285;cazalla;didnt you come from there though
1730737;1509456290;cazalla;i was even born in au
1730738;1509456296;asciilifeform;su not ru
1730739;1509456304;cazalla;but polaron claiming i can claim polski
1730740;1509456315;asciilifeform;asciilifeform’s home town is under ukrs nao
1730741;1509456324;cazalla;cant claim there?
1730742;1509456330;cazalla;if i get my passport
1730743;1509456350;cazalla;im buyin in some polish shit shole and going to lviv or something to find new wife nad make babies
1730744;1509456360;asciilifeform;and i dun need ukrs for anything, even to visit. there’s mcdonalds on every street nao.
1730745;1509456383;cazalla;as long as not fat or rich im happy
1730746;1509456394;cazalla;current missus FAT and RICH
1730747;1509456398;asciilifeform;ugh
1730748;1509456400;cazalla;worst fuckinf wife ever
1730749;1509456405;cazalla;EVER
1730750;1509456412;cazalla;could have 20" dick no matter
1730751;1509456424;asciilifeform;wait rich? can divorce her and plunder ??
1730752;1509456454;cazalla;i have more than she can offer
1730753;1509456458;cazalla;least in bitcoin
1730754;1509456464;asciilifeform;aite
1730755;1509456468;cazalla;my thinking is
1730756;1509456476;cazalla;few apartment across poland
1730757;1509456478;cazalla;3-4
1730758;1509456487;cazalla;bring 3-4 wimmenz from ukrain
1730759;1509456492;cazalla;cause polish women are westernished now
1730760;1509456501;cazalla;and fuck them and make babies
1730761;1509456503;cazalla;IF lucky
1730762;1509456507;cazalla;IF IF IF IF IF
1730763;1509456513;cazalla;maybe i get 1 good offspring
1730764;1509456515;asciilifeform;y’know if you have eu passport,
1730765;1509456518;cazalla;im fkn borderline retarded
1730766;1509456521;cazalla;these women are too
1730767;1509456522;asciilifeform;can try , say, ro
1730768;1509456529;cazalla;well yes
1730769;1509456537;cazalla;but mircea_popescu always complaining of these people
1730770;1509456538;asciilifeform;a+++ would ro again
1730771;1509456539;cazalla;years
1730772;1509456541;cazalla;and years
1730773;1509456550;cazalla;i never hear much complain about ukraine here
1730774;1509456559;cazalla;rest of europe yes
1730775;1509456564;cazalla;im 36 soon
1730776;1509456568;cazalla;i dont igve a fuck now
1730777;1509456576;cazalla;who cares for sex
1730778;1509456579;cazalla;just make babies
1730779;1509456581;cazalla;if lucky
1730780;1509456584;cazalla;maybe 1 good one
1730781;1509456585;cazalla;smart
1730782;1509456587;cazalla;like u asciilifeform
1730783;1509456593;cazalla;my family fucking stupid
1730784;1509456593;asciilifeform;lol
1730785;1509456597;cazalla;im a bit smarter
1730786;1509456606;cazalla;but still retarded
1730787;1509456608;cazalla;please
1730788;1509456608;cazalla;god
1730789;1509456616;cazalla;give me just 1 bit smart
1730790;1509456626;cazalla;wont come from down under
1730791;1509456633;cazalla;i could get extra gf here
1730792;1509456635;cazalla;but all fat
1730793;1509456641;cazalla;if you want 9/10+ woman in australia
1730794;1509456660;asciilifeform;phakt: ~nobody fat in timişoara
1730795;1509456660;cazalla;need to be 6'3, 10" dick, rich, perfec 10/10 chad
1730796;1509456666;cazalla;sorry i fall short, whatever
1730797;1509456679;cazalla;99,9999999% men fall short of this
1730798;1509456731;cazalla;well people recommmending czesh, hungary, romania, ukraine etc for wife
1730799;1509456742;cazalla;people as rooshvforum
1730800;1509456747;cazalla;good as anay other tbh
1730801;1509456748;asciilifeform;( i cannot say ‘nobody’ because did in fact see an old fat gypsy at the veggie market, selling cabbages )
1730802;1509456757;cazalla;i fuck anythint
1730803;1509456768;cazalla;is what got me in trouble to begin with
1730804;1509456770;asciilifeform;how a gypsy can get fact, remains a mystery
1730805;1509456774;asciilifeform;fat
1730806;1509456775;shinohai;lol cazalla
1730807;1509456779;cazalla;i think fucking with money girk is good idea
1730808;1509456782;shinohai;"If she got a phat ass ....."
1730809;1509456783;cazalla;WORST
1730810;1509456790;cazalla;once i make money
1730811;1509456804;cazalla;these money women are worse than poor bbitches as they spend even more
1730812;1509456820;cazalla;shinohai, my missus of 3 kids has biggest ass u ever seen
1730813;1509456826;cazalla;perfect ass
1730814;1509456829;cazalla;great ass
1730815;1509456848;shinohai;It's impolite not to share, cazalla
1730816;1509456850;*;asciilifeform brb, teatime 
1730817;1509456851;cazalla;but her father so motivated, so rich, take care of of her every concern
1730818;1509456856;cazalla;she is dumb as shit
1730819;1509456862;cazalla;my kids therefore
1730820;1509456868;cazalla;DUMB AS SHIT
1730821;1509456879;cazalla;i love my kids
1730822;1509456883;cazalla;but my son like my wife
1730823;1509456888;cazalla;my daguther
1730824;1509456892;cazalla;BIG ASS SLAV HEAD
1730825;1509456900;cazalla;no joke
1730826;1509456920;cazalla;her head outrange 99% percretecile
1730827;1509456932;cazalla;same problem as me as kid
1730828;1509456954;cazalla;cant move head becayse head so big have plagioscphelecy
1730829;1509456980;cazalla;plagiocephaly
1730830;1509456984;cazalla;i have this as kid
1730831;1509456986;cazalla;fixed
1730832;1509456997;cazalla;daughter have this but fixed too
1730833;1509457006;cazalla;at 18 months
1730834;1509457016;cazalla;her head bigger than her almost 4 year old brother lol
1730835;1509457036;cazalla;you just do head exercise to strengethe neck muscle
1730836;1509457045;cazalla;but lucky her
1730837;1509457048;cazalla;blue eyes like me
1730838;1509457051;cazalla;blonde haie like me
1730839;1509457056;cazalla;likely very cut
1730840;1509457058;cazalla;cute
1730841;1509457061;cazalla;lucky her
1730842;1509457070;cazalla;i marry her off in future
1730843;1509457080;cazalla;of coursh people say how sexist
1730844;1509457089;cazalla;but i think make sense
1730845;1509457120;cazalla;god forbid how this 3rd kid turn out
1730846;1509457133;cazalla;i cant believei i fuck this woman tiwce and she pregnant
1730847;1509457143;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1730848;1509457150;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6269.25, vol: 8995.31951663 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6285.4, vol: 26531.53471168 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6245.3, vol: 2448.46359795 | Volume-weighted last average: 6278.98905167
1730849;1509457178;cazalla;i think lies but i been full on weifht lifting and cardio past 2 years away from here, cant do both brain ad muscle, not enough blood like some here
1730850;1509457214;cazalla;she always in my site anway
1730851;1509457218;cazalla;even still
1730852;1509457221;cazalla;women lie
1730853;1509457233;cazalla;ill know if born with big head lol
1730854;1509457261;*;shinohai imagines "Peanuts" characters for some reason ...
1730855;1509457293;cazalla;fkn bs
1730856;1509457307;cazalla;if my daughter or next, prob girl, my guess, is girl
1730857;1509457315;cazalla;i should be able to marry off to good man if my choice
1730858;1509457350;cazalla;my first daughter so beautioful
1730859;1509457362;cazalla;i should leave to chance for some aussie scum to scoop her up with bs?
1730860;1509457367;cazalla;u tell me
1730861;1509457370;cazalla;1 sec
1730862;1509458051;asciilifeform;!!up cazalla
1730863;1509458051;deedbot;cazalla voiced for 30 minutes.
1730864;1509458085;cazalla;thanks
1730865;1509458095;cazalla;i  have gpg on some hdd around here
1730866;1509458098;cazalla;obs not this one
1730867;1509458102;cazalla;rarelt use
1730868;1509458107;cazalla;but pwd etched in head
1730869;1509458116;cazalla;rarelt need to import key
1730870;1509458122;cazalla;retard like me beter not
1730871;1509458125;cazalla;u know
1730872;1509458129;cazalla;just incase
1730873;1509458133;cazalla;get drunk and spew shit
1730874;1509458139;cazalla;haha not on this hardwar
1730875;1509458145;cazalla;ty asciilifeform mircea_popescu
1730876;1509458152;cazalla;smarter than me
1730877;1509458155;cazalla;im dumb
1730878;1509458163;cazalla;but smart enough to ind smart  people
1730879;1509458166;cazalla;!!
1730880;1509458172;cazalla;suck to be dumb
1730881;1509458176;cazalla;maybe suck to be smart
1730882;1509458185;cazalla;but smart enough to find the smart people
1730883;1509458190;cazalla;aces baby, aces
1730884;1509458229;cazalla;torture u can get
1730885;1509458241;cazalla;but i guess tortue independent of anyone
1730886;1509458245;cazalla;catch me if u can
1730887;1509458289;cazalla;https://imgur.com/a/5pw2g
1730888;1509458338;cazalla;my daugther, so beautiful, maybe fathers bias https://imgur.com/a/4ejEM
1730889;1509458390;shinohai;d'aww she is kinda cute
1730890;1509458434;cazalla;will brek my heart whem i leave
1730891;1509458460;cazalla;but stupid nbitch wife thinks australia is #1, delusuinal
1730892;1509458496;cazalla;im like
1730893;1509458498;cazalla;lets go
1730894;1509458500;cazalla;now
1730895;1509458508;cazalla;even if rent out places
1730896;1509458510;cazalla;just gtfo
1730897;1509458515;cazalla;this place is fucked
1730898;1509458520;cazalla;FUCKED
1730899;1509458536;cazalla;but her mfaaily think everyyhjomg AOK forever anad forever
1730900;1509458554;cazalla;camt imaggone being anything other than upper class
1730901;1509458556;cazalla;fkn dreamers
1730902;1509458617;cazalla;going to bed
1730903;1509458621;cazalla;but just shows
1730904;1509458674;cazalla;even good girl, religous somehat celibate , what bs term in western world, is open to corruption
1730905;1509458679;cazalla;all down hill from hill
1730906;1509458683;cazalla;my missus good woman
1730907;1509458686;cazalla;good heart
1730908;1509458691;cazalla;but still trash
1730909;1509458733;cazalla;makes u realise the trash women are like http://bh-s2.azureedge.net/bh-uploads/2016/02/5-Creepy-Fun-1200x522.jpg
1730910;1509458736;cazalla;seem sweet
1730911;1509458741;cazalla;TURN TO UTTER EVIL
1730912;1509458748;cazalla;run
1730913;1509458752;cazalla;run away
1730914;1509458761;cazalla;i am luckiest man in world yet runnning
1730915;1509458775;cazalla;goodnight
1730916;1509458789;cazalla;i think of people here often
1730917;1509458796;cazalla;i owe
1730918;1509458821;cazalla;some reason or other, god given, knack for finding the smart people despite being stupid
1730919;1509458832;cazalla;+1 intellect to u
1730920;1509460187;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730566 << per asciilifeform's research, 'residency' is pretty easy to get just short of anywhere. the 1 gotcha is that you need an actual new passport if you want to be rid of usa pederasty, and those are separate and harder puzzle.
1730921;1509460187;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 04:07 BingoBoingo: <felipelalli> Ahah ok! I guess it would be easy to get a Brazilian residency. << Try telling that to the Brazilian consulate of Chicago
1730922;1509460245;asciilifeform;the one in ro, for instance, appears to need 8 yrs of hanging around with usa shitpassport; 4 if you have 1e6 eur to sacrifice
1730923;1509460362;diana_coman;asciilifeform, iirc cyprus was selling citizenship and discounting it even; don't quite recall what was the last price though
1730924;1509460395;diana_coman;I'm sure it's not even the only citizenship for sale for that matter
1730925;1509460509;mod6;mornin'
1730926;1509460517;diana_coman;morning mod6
1730927;1509460528;mod6;how goes today?
1730928;1509460634;diana_coman;chugging along, collecting some data on the mpi-sane-based rsa stuff
1730929;1509460656;diana_coman;how's it going for you?
1730930;1509460676;diana_coman;and otherwise tending serpents and keccaks - still working on figuring those out properly
1730931;1509460803;mod6;good!
1730932;1509460832;mod6;been studying ffa most of the month.
1730933;1509460839;diana_coman;anyone knows a leemon baird and his hashgraph thing? it seems to be based on gossip so perhaps something interesting in there although I have to say that a first read was more like reading propaganda
1730934;1509461196;mod6;i've written like 22 unit tests around various functions/procs
1730935;1509461237;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730923 << it's more or less academic to asciilifeform , who is not a moneyman
1730936;1509461237;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 14:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform, iirc cyprus was selling citizenship and discounting it even; don't quite recall what was the last price though
1730937;1509461247;mod6;and that's working pretty great.  just now digging into comba and other higher-level ones.  not writing tests on those yet -- just studying, reading.
1730938;1509461264;diana_coman;mod6, that sounds good
1730939;1509461295;asciilifeform;mod6: lemme know if any of it dun make sense
1730940;1509461303;mod6;i have a bunch of trb work queued up too -- need to put some effort into that next few weeks.
1730941;1509461308;mod6;asciilifeform: sure thing, will do.
1730942;1509461328;mod6;nothing has popped up yet that I haven't been able to make sense of.
1730943;1509461343;asciilifeform;i'm back at my console & can answer in more or less realtime so dun hesitate to ask, mod6 .
1730944;1509461365;mod6;with comba, for instance, as with others (ex. karatsuba): i tend to go and read the papers on it, then review the code and see how ffa is doing it.  etc.
1730945;1509461368;diana_coman;asciilifeform, well, the way I see it it anyway makes more sense to simply move where you want to be
1730946;1509461371;asciilifeform;same goes for diana_coman & mpi, keccak, etc.
1730947;1509461389;mod6;asciilifeform: glad you had an awesome trip!
1730948;1509461390;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i can move right now, what i can't do there is have bank acct
1730949;1509461403;asciilifeform;at least in the usual sense
1730950;1509461404;diana_coman;o.O you mean they won't open a bank account for you?
1730951;1509461424;asciilifeform;if i open in own name, it gets usg-taxed.
1730952;1509461430;asciilifeform;per treaty of 2015.
1730953;1509461472;asciilifeform;and most eu banks won't open one at all if the only passport you bring is usa
1730954;1509461477;asciilifeform;( see thread earlier )
1730955;1509461491;diana_coman;ah, ah; so basically they even beg you to ...stop using banks?
1730956;1509461509;asciilifeform;in this sense they 'beg' in usa likewise, lol
1730957;1509461552;diana_coman;if you start a business there -does it also get usg-taxed?
1730958;1509461574;asciilifeform;if my name is in its papers anywhere -- then yes
1730959;1509461602;asciilifeform;it's a pederasty that lasts for so long as i have only usa passport.
1730960;1509461667;asciilifeform;usg VERY much dislikes its inmates escaping (with 'their' moneys)
1730961;1509461686;diana_coman;sounds very much like it, indeed
1730962;1509461822;diana_coman;not sure though why would you actually *need* a bank account in ro
1730963;1509461841;diana_coman;live happily without one (indeed happier than with one, arguably)
1730964;1509461854;asciilifeform;to convert btc to food/real estate, say.
1730965;1509461874;diana_coman;uhm, meet people and buy cash?
1730966;1509461881;asciilifeform;( and yes this is physically possible without banks, if your wot is developed enough to subsume the function of banks etc. but mine ain't )
1730967;1509461885;diana_coman;it's not unusual in ro as far as I know
1730968;1509461901;diana_coman;ah
1730969;1509461928;asciilifeform;there's maybe 3 people who i trust to be physically present in a room where i bring a btc privkey. and none of them live in ro.
1730970;1509462018;asciilifeform;also afaik you still need a saecular bank in the loop to buy real estate there.
1730971;1509462149;asciilifeform;( and yes there was mircea_popescu's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728731 thread . which left me with a flavour of 'real estate ownership ain't even a thing any moar, unless you can personally afford to pay an army' )
1730972;1509462149;a111;Logged on 2017-10-25 17:29 mircea_popescu: as a general rule you don't want personal property registered with the fiatistans.
1730973;1509462253;asciilifeform;when i was doing the passport question homework, saw requirement 'prove that you have where to live' and 'prove you have income' . the former requires a title or lease in own human name; the latter - bank acct.
1730974;1509462268;asciilifeform;no can do - no residency paper; no paper - no passport in 8y.
1730975;1509462293;diana_coman;asciilifeform, not really; former requires someone to go with you and say you can live in their house/flat etc
1730976;1509462324;asciilifeform;not exactly gamechanging pill for asciilifeform .
1730977;1509462416;asciilifeform;and lemme guess, you can also 'prove means to live' if you walk in on a leash and owner swears he will feedya
1730978;1509462497;diana_coman;ahahaha; logically it should be, yeah; but re "where to live" - you can buy a house in some village for a few thousands max, not exactly need bank either so dunno that being a huge trouble in itself; then again, each with their own problems to solve
1730979;1509462533;asciilifeform;diana_coman: hmm srsly you can buy a bldg with a suitcase of moolah in ro ?
1730980;1509462554;asciilifeform;what's to keep the counterparty from whacking you over the head and taking the phree gift ?
1730981;1509462576;diana_coman;things might have changed but ~6 years ago when I tried (got fed up with the seller being an idiot but that's another story) they were positively NOT wanting a bank anyways; it was some 26k flat ftr
1730982;1509462608;diana_coman;the story is even somewhere on the RO blog but focused on the total idiocy so not of much interest for your trouble directly
1730983;1509462635;asciilifeform;so what does this look like ? walk in with suitcase of benjies, come out with plutoni^H^H^H^Htitle ?
1730984;1509462653;diana_coman;asciilifeform, what can I say, people do it; guess romania is not as dangerous as it seems or something
1730985;1509462663;diana_coman;go to public notary, what
1730986;1509462666;asciilifeform;i did not at all get sense of 'ro is dangerous'
1730987;1509462674;diana_coman;you can make pre-contract, pay advance etc
1730988;1509462678;asciilifeform;it 'feels' safer than where asciilifeform lives, flavour-wise
1730989;1509462705;diana_coman;anyway you need public notary for the official papers
1730990;1509462711;asciilifeform;the problem is if you are a foreigner with no legal recourse.
1730991;1509462726;diana_coman;go with a lawyer, I'd say
1730992;1509462745;diana_coman;again, maybe things have changed in the last years, I haven't really looked at it
1730993;1509462750;asciilifeform;yea that part is clear
1730994;1509462805;diana_coman;anyways, we were talking "something to show as to have where to live" so a few thousands, not exactly suitcase of anything
1730995;1509462830;diana_coman;I guess it might be more of a trouble if there still is that thing with "can't own land" if foreigner, dunno if even still true
1730996;1509462847;diana_coman;i.e. you can own it but via company; or you can own flat/not land
1730997;1509462909;asciilifeform;i'ma have to research, but i'd bet money that it is true. otherwise americans would have snapped up all of the country, and there would not exist such a thing as a 50k-usd house in timis.
1730998;1509462924;asciilifeform;and entire q would then be uninteresting to asciilifeform . just like he isn't interested in buenos aires.
1730999;1509462958;asciilifeform;whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
1731000;1509462963;asciilifeform;if it weren't glued, it wouldn't be there.
1731001;1509462999;asciilifeform;the puzzle is how to quietly detach it from the glue.
1731002;1509463081;diana_coman;anyways, why not rent? don't know about Timis precisely, but I'd be surprised if it were terribly expensive or anything
1731003;1509463101;asciilifeform;because a good chunk of the attraction is the possbility of not paying rents.
1731004;1509463107;asciilifeform;*possibility
1731005;1509463113;asciilifeform;and actually owning something
1731006;1509463163;diana_coman;ugh, you do know that there is a "property tax" in Romania, right?
1731007;1509463183;asciilifeform;where isn't there ?
1731008;1509463194;asciilifeform;in usa there is massive property tax
1731009;1509463238;diana_coman;you mean you pay a tax calculated based on the value of each of your "owned" properties?
1731010;1509463249;asciilifeform;aha
1731011;1509463281;asciilifeform;diana_coman: do you happen to know the % rate in ro ?
1731012;1509463358;diana_coman;it changed in 2016 iirc; anyways,it's not 100% straightforward (nothing is like that in Ro in my opinion) but to cite:
1731013;1509463359;diana_coman; Pentru clădirile rezidenţiale şi clădirile-anexă, aflate în proprietatea persoanelor fizice, impozitul pe clădiri se calculează prin aplicarea unei cote cuprinse între 0,08%-0,2%, asupra valorii impozabile a clădirii. Cota impozitului pe clădiri se stabileşte prin hotărâre a consiliului local.
1731014;1509463359;diana_coman;Valoarea impozabilă a clădirii se determină prin înmulţirea suprafeţei construite desfăşurate a acesteia, exprimată în metri pătraţi, cu valoarea impozabilă corespunzătoare, exprimată în lei/mp din tabelul prevăzut de Codul fiscal.
1731015;1509463365;asciilifeform;whatever it is, it would have to be , e.g., 50% ( on a theoretical 50k usd haus ) to even equal asciilifeform's current rent !!
1731016;1509463374;asciilifeform;0.2% lol!!!
1731017;1509463394;diana_coman;e asemenea, valoarea impozabilă se ajustează în funcţie de rangul localităţii şi zona în care este amplasată clădirea, prin înmulţirea cu un coeficient de corecţie.
1731018;1509463400;diana_coman;eh, so "correction coefficient"
1731019;1509463437;asciilifeform;sounds like on anything short of a palace, it is less than my current mains current bill
1731020;1509463460;diana_coman;asciilifeform, my point was that you will still be paying "rent" basically; and for 1k in Ro you do get a huge house
1731021;1509463482;asciilifeform;yea but when you rent a house, orig owner can fail to renew lease, and kick you
1731022;1509463491;diana_coman;eh, get serious
1731023;1509463494;asciilifeform;and you generally can't make massive reworks
1731024;1509463502;asciilifeform;hey it happened to me repeatedly in usa
1731025;1509463510;asciilifeform;owner d00d thought he could get moar, etc
1731026;1509463515;diana_coman;yeah, but ...ro is not usa
1731027;1509463574;diana_coman;asciilifeform> and you generally can't make massive reworks <- this yes, though I'd be surprised you wouldn't be able to agree with landlord; more like you'll go nuts trying to get what you want from builders, but that's a different story
1731028;1509463585;asciilifeform;lol builders. i am my own builder.
1731029;1509463622;diana_coman;"massive reworks" meant in my head dig foundations and from there up; not that it can't be done with own hands, I know
1731030;1509463660;asciilifeform;yes and all of it easily done with own hands.
1731031;1509463707;asciilifeform;point being, i want to convert a pile of soon to be worthless paper, into actual ownership of something ( even as basic as machine to keep the rain out. )
1731032;1509463759;*;diana_coman has helped own folks at reworks; not afraid of it, but not terribly fond of it either
1731033;1509463761;asciilifeform;what i pay in rent in shitland right now, in 1 yr, would buy a modest house in timis. 2y would buy the house mircea_popescu described ( per his rated figure ). 3 would buy one of those dilapidated palaces.
1731034;1509463942;mircea_popescu;right.
1731035;1509463950;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu !
1731036;1509463954;mircea_popescu;hullo
1731037;1509463966;*;asciilifeform waves from sunny liquishitistan !
1731038;1509464002;mircea_popescu;lol
1731039;1509464045;asciilifeform;ftr bucharest was great, exactly 'neuromancer', sky was even the colour of televisor set between channels!111
1731040;1509464069;diana_coman;I keep reading that as necromancer, lol
1731041;1509464071;asciilifeform;lol
1731042;1509464077;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730579 << you all have in common that you take too long, and by the time you finally concede to act it's too late at best.
1731043;1509464077;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 12:48 cazalla: sad as it is
1731044;1509464124;mircea_popescu;kinda like the dumb latino whores, going about trying to "live their life" as 30+ yos with children. cuz at 16 they believed their mulamothers, aunts and grandmothers.
1731045;1509464144;asciilifeform;oh mircea_popescu btw what are mule and stramule ?
1731046;1509464149;asciilifeform;i keep encountering these in trilema
1731047;1509464182;asciilifeform;do i need to buy a thicker dictionary or wut
1731048;1509464238;mircea_popescu;mula is romanian for a dumb female. used in trilema to denote cazalla's wife, ie a female that is a) aged herself out of the sexual market with b) nothing to show for it who c) nevertheless clings to the theory she has a say in how her life plays and d) has constructed an elaborate ideological infrastructure to accomodate the foregoingt nonsense (generally, a retelling of pantsuitism) alongside e) a social group of her exact
1731049;1509464238;mircea_popescu;peers.
1731050;1509464253;mircea_popescu;these are, in trilema mythology, universally blamed for young women that miss out on their slice of life.
1731051;1509464258;asciilifeform;is root common with 'muie' ?
1731052;1509464262;mircea_popescu;nope.
1731053;1509464264;asciilifeform;hm.
1731054;1509464267;mircea_popescu;muie is actually an old word for face.
1731055;1509464282;mircea_popescu;mula is probably informal derivation from donkey.
1731056;1509464284;asciilifeform;i recall this. but has come to mean also 'dumb whore' iirc from trilema
1731057;1509464287;asciilifeform;aaaa
1731058;1509464299;asciilifeform;( mule ? )
1731059;1509464299;mircea_popescu;and no, muie never denoted "old whore" on trilema.
1731060;1509464398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, it means a (nominally) female result of the procreation of donkey inside mare.
1731061;1509464406;mircea_popescu;generally sterile.
1731062;1509464406;asciilifeform;aha in engl. 'mule'
1731063;1509464410;mircea_popescu;aha.
1731064;1509464428;mircea_popescu;(normal term for this in ro is cati^r / cati^rca~)
1731065;1509464452;asciilifeform;maekssense.
1731066;1509464502;mircea_popescu;and obviously stramula is her ancestor ; stra-x works to denote older-same-relative, like great- ; as bunic (grandfather) / strabunic (great-grandfather).
1731067;1509464514;*;asciilifeform bought a bag of sov-era kidz b00kz from the gypsy fleamarker, has been enjoying
1731068;1509464519;asciilifeform;*fleamarket
1731069;1509464539;asciilifeform;aaa in ru 'пра-'
1731070;1509464544;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1731071;1509464550;asciilifeform;or de 'ur'
1731072;1509464556;mircea_popescu;there's more languages than linguistic mechanisms
1731073;1509464564;asciilifeform;picture if this weren't so!
1731074;1509464586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ur- was coopted in artspeech to denote a typical or originating example, like trilema is the ur-blog and rome the ur-usg.
1731075;1509464604;asciilifeform;i know this. was speaking of ordinary de.
1731076;1509464608;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that could not be so. there's also fewer cunts than dresses. if there weren't, cunt couldn't be meaningful.
1731077;1509464629;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, i meant that could not ~not~ be so.
1731078;1509464652;asciilifeform;well yes we would not have concept of 'language' , it'd be like intestinal flora.
1731079;1509464657;asciilifeform;and civilization - impossible.
1731080;1509464667;mircea_popescu;right.
1731081;1509464670;asciilifeform;hence the lul
1731082;1509464677;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1731083;1509464783;mircea_popescu;anyway, without a majority of mule there;d be no young hussies next year period.
1731084;1509464819;mircea_popescu;the only fucking problem is that the young uns tend to listen to them as if they were people, by virtue of the indiscriminate cluelessness of youth -- they'd listen to a puppy if it could speak, on the basis of it having snuggled with them.
1731085;1509464849;mircea_popescu;left to its own devices, preteen believes the tv box, too ; and shit it read on reddit and etcetera.
1731086;1509464860;asciilifeform;"Народ-Богородец"
1731087;1509464867;asciilifeform;^ old ru name for concept
1731088;1509464881;asciilifeform;where you need 1e6 of mircea_popescu's fathers, to make a mircea_popescu , etc
1731089;1509464886;mircea_popescu;right, pop culture.
1731090;1509464979;mircea_popescu;in other ancient lulz on the topic, http://trilema.com/2012/bai-ma-marit/
1731091;1509465000;mircea_popescu;"- Ai de grija sa nu le faci prea destepte ca se mai mintuie specia sau ceva." <> "take care to not have daugthers too smart, lest the species ends"
1731092;1509465222;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730589 << this is actually a common ... "mistake" let's say. add to the "hungarian languages -> jew / romanian commerce -> anything but" also the "if you meet a german in colonial posessions, it;s a pole."
1731093;1509465222;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 12:51 cazalla: i always thought we german, well, paternal side, but all bullshit, actually polski
1731094;1509465379;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730598 << myeah. lulz of all fucking time ; and note how they're not "we were wrong, obviously, because we're fucktards, so now begins our seven year slave term to our betters" ; they instead "pivoted". cuz saying words is always easier and mom-state will leave the food tray next to room door.
1731095;1509465379;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 12:53 shinohai: Lulzy I believe I have said numerous times this was coming: http://archive.is/hhmZL
1731096;1509465430;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730607 << the same is true of 10k ukrs. quality is not abundant and in no case enoughj to go around.
1731097;1509465430;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 12:56 cazalla: maybe you get 1 good one, one special from, from 1 bubs in 10,000
1731098;1509465477;shinohai;a111: have mistresses on birth control.
1731099;1509465498;shinohai;*cazalla
1731100;1509465504;shinohai;lel
1731101;1509465540;asciilifeform;there ain't even decent burians 'enough for everyone', much less water, air, or gurlz
1731102;1509465545;asciilifeform;*burial
1731103;1509465558;asciilifeform;not even fuel enough to cremate, 'for everyone'.
1731104;1509465577;mircea_popescu;of all these resources the female is the most abundant nevertheless.
1731105;1509465581;mircea_popescu;there's always 1.05 or so for each.
1731106;1509465590;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, not in china :|
1731107;1509465604;mircea_popescu;diana_coman they gave it up, and guess what ? it rebounded.
1731108;1509465617;mircea_popescu;the new litters are like 62-65% female
1731109;1509465625;mircea_popescu;hole's almost closed by now.
1731110;1509465650;mircea_popescu;incomprehensible how the cuntperl code works to balance the blocks, but it fucking balances the blocks.
1731111;1509465660;mircea_popescu;1950s it was up to 70% males in some places.
1731112;1509465670;asciilifeform;iirc it was india that truly properly fucked its ratio, not china
1731113;1509465682;asciilifeform;india was just unpoor enough to afford widespread spoodje centrifugation
1731114;1509465687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform india hasn't fixed it ; never will.
1731115;1509465711;asciilifeform;(i.e. they dun wait-and-abort, they actually ~guarantee male)
1731116;1509465712;mircea_popescu;imo "india" is an ended problem. will be 2050s colonization space.
1731117;1509465730;asciilifeform;after the glass and 2-3 half-lives yea
1731118;1509465758;mircea_popescu;imo more likely the males will just work and die like drones. indians are rather worthless martially.
1731119;1509465773;mircea_popescu;but, future is future, not visible.
1731120;1509465812;shinohai;admiral mircea_popescu, we have reports of pantsuits at sea: http://archive.is/VBDfN
1731121;1509465824;*;mircea_popescu slowly chewing through teh log.
1731122;1509465838;asciilifeform;lol that looks like a classical orlol boat , shinohai
1731123;1509465877;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730643 << this might be the point every young male agrees on.
1731124;1509465877;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:05 shinohai: There are no decent women in my location. I feel I have nothing to talk about with them - their idea of literature is the "Sweet Valley High" series or Stephanie Meyer shit.
1731125;1509465895;mircea_popescu;kinda what precipitated the age of sail.
1731126;1509465904;asciilifeform;'Appel and Fuiava, along with their two dogs, were found last week, drifting about 900 miles southeast of Japan' << lol!!
1731127;1509465907;asciilifeform;dogs !!
1731128;1509465995;asciilifeform;also 'radio wasn't working' but then later 'we made contact with officials on island'
1731129;1509466001;asciilifeform;whole thing reads like a crock.
1731130;1509466078;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730678 << exactly as >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714618
1731131;1509466078;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:11 asciilifeform: aaa
1731132;1509466078;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 00:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so get your citizenship, you never know when it's useful.
1731133;1509466171;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730714 << you've not been keeping with the news.
1731134;1509466171;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:19 asciilifeform: i suspect scamola, or whole fucking planet could get in eu
1731135;1509466197;asciilifeform;the 'let's bring in africa for good rapefest' thing dun do much for asciilifeform
1731136;1509466211;asciilifeform;unless you know how to convincingly paint him black
1731137;1509466219;mircea_popescu;you categories are inadequate basis for an effectual retelling of reality.
1731138;1509466230;mircea_popescu;your*
1731139;1509466232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would not be mircea_popescu if he did not reply exactly so.
1731140;1509466252;mircea_popescu;i'm thankful i get to keep mah status o.O
1731141;1509466280;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730731 << polish is shockingly not-as-hard-as-the-insane-notation-promises.
1731142;1509466280;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:22 cazalla: same, i wonder if my keen eagerness to learn polski is my sense of disgust of angloness
1731143;1509466296;mircea_popescu;!!up wywialm
1731144;1509466297;deedbot;wywialm voiced for 30 minutes.
1731145;1509466298;asciilifeform;polish is pretty easy if you already know a slavic lang
1731146;1509466300;mircea_popescu;misplaced your key ?
1731147;1509466336;mircea_popescu;!~later tell cazalla iirc wywialm is polish, maybe he shows you all the hussy watering holes then.
1731148;1509466336;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1731149;1509466407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nfi why they hallucinated a need for 32 letters to write down a ~mostly latin sounding language. or w/e, if you prefer, very-soft-slavic.
1731150;1509466417;asciilifeform;maaaaaybe because not-so-latin-sounding
1731151;1509466425;asciilifeform;at least ro cut the orcograms down to 5
1731152;1509466432;asciilifeform;pl has what, dozen
1731153;1509466435;mircea_popescu;very. except they got A, instead of O and O, instead of U and assorted idiocies.
1731154;1509466452;asciilifeform;i can tell that mircea_popescu doesn't pl much, if he thinks 'sounds latin'
1731155;1509466457;mircea_popescu;"let's make grammatical rather than phonetical notation because wouldn't be dumb enough just by being dumb, gotta also advertise it"
1731156;1509466466;asciilifeform;or does ru also sound latin to mircea_popescu
1731157;1509466491;asciilifeform;( per the finnish thread )
1731158;1509466532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform modern ru sounds like tinto brass paid a bunch of whores from the periphery of rome to read phonetic notation of ivan's testament, yes.
1731159;1509466536;asciilifeform;fwiw ro sounds to asciilifeform entirely like buncha ru d00dz speaking damaged italian
1731160;1509466541;asciilifeform;which is a joy
1731161;1509466558;mircea_popescu;(this is a very specific thing, watch some 60s/70s nazisploitations, get the "german" as spoken by cheap italian meat)
1731162;1509466567;*;asciilifeform has seen.
1731163;1509466590;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform didja see 1860s romanian notation btw ?
1731164;1509466596;mircea_popescu;back when the romanians were pole-dumb too ?
1731165;1509466601;asciilifeform;i did ! in the arts museum
1731166;1509466612;asciilifeform;the slavonic text on icons etc
1731167;1509466642;asciilifeform;wouldja have preferred that they had germanized and lost own language entirely, like the czechs had ?
1731168;1509466645;mircea_popescu;here : http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/
1731169;1509466703;mircea_popescu;not just the usual crap but also Ĭ , ŭ, ó, é, ḑ instead of fucking z, because hurr durr gotta notate the dz, ê even and so fucking following.
1731170;1509466709;asciilifeform;( for n00bz, modern czech is a conlang. in 19th c very few literate folx in present-day czechia used it, they spoke german )
1731171;1509466712;mircea_popescu;experience shows they were not needed ; same EXACT goes for polish
1731172;1509466738;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform croatian idem conlang, after their little war each side pretended the euros pay for translators to translate from serb to serb.
1731173;1509466739;asciilifeform;hey israelis think ~vowels~ 'not needed' by same logic
1731174;1509466756;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gimme a break. the issue here is that notation MUST BE PHONETIC. never grammatical.
1731175;1509466757;asciilifeform;and yes croatian is simply serbian with latinic script
1731176;1509466765;mircea_popescu;grammatical notation is the same ancient idiocy keeps propping head up.
1731177;1509466779;mircea_popescu;"oh, i must have a different "for" loop depending if it's long or short"
1731178;1509466780;asciilifeform;yes but nobody promised anyone that roman script will cover their phonemes
1731179;1509466803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, they did so promise. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731072
1731180;1509466803;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:42 mircea_popescu: there's more languages than linguistic mechanisms
1731181;1509466813;mircea_popescu;nobody is going to FUCKING BOTHER with special phonemes on the long run.
1731182;1509466833;mircea_popescu;seen everywhere, misr as spoken on arab tv is egyptian dialect because guess what ? same fucking reason.
1731183;1509466871;asciilifeform;which side has 'special, gnarly' phonemes, and which -- Properly Righteous phonemes that must have own glyphs -- is not settled q.
1731184;1509466888;mircea_popescu;bureaucracy will always try to create an unicode ; and the unicode will never matter. that's linguistics in one phrase.
1731185;1509466919;mircea_popescu;polish will get 27 letters ; much like every teen cocklet will eventually get fucked. the only point of difference being that retards, so slightly later.
1731186;1509466932;asciilifeform;waitasec which is 27th
1731187;1509466941;mircea_popescu;#
1731188;1509466945;asciilifeform;my latinatron has 26 lol
1731189;1509466954;mircea_popescu;spare item to go feel special with.
1731190;1509466964;asciilifeform;stickybit!1111
1731191;1509466979;asciilifeform;you can do damn near anything with 26 + 1bit
1731192;1509466983;mircea_popescu;aha.
1731193;1509466984;asciilifeform;it's a cheat
1731194;1509466992;asciilifeform;e.g. koi8 works this way.
1731195;1509467021;mircea_popescu;(for lulz : h in romanian doubles as this #. because che and ce are thus distinguished into different sounds etc)
1731196;1509467058;mircea_popescu;poles instead use C and C'. which is fucktarded.
1731197;1509467067;asciilifeform;btw asciilifeform accomplished what asciilifeform's pet could yet not , in ro : managed to have simple 'how much' 'i'll buy 2' convos without counterparty switching to damaged english
1731198;1509467095;asciilifeform;not because asciilifeform can do impeccable ro, but because he can unplug english phonemization, lol.
1731199;1509467097;mircea_popescu;and wtf, "let's have no v, so then use W for V, so then use an imaginary L for v" and so on nonsense.
1731200;1509467103;asciilifeform;veh.
1731201;1509467114;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o hey, wd.
1731202;1509467157;asciilifeform;but yes you can do ru-style , e.g. Нйю-Йорк - i.e. njoo-jork
1731203;1509467182;asciilifeform;grr Нью-Йорк
1731204;1509467183;mircea_popescu;in a proper language, that is.
1731205;1509467209;mircea_popescu;latinotards be liek "nueva york". rly bitch ? YOU MISUNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING!
1731206;1509467217;asciilifeform;cyrillic 1918-model was flexible enough to cover, e.g., kazah
1731207;1509467222;asciilifeform;or even passable jp pronounciation
1731208;1509467232;asciilifeform;try that with anglophonemes.
1731209;1509467235;mircea_popescu;don't touch the moustache!
1731210;1509467254;asciilifeform;i made mistake of buying a b00k on ro for englischers one time
1731211;1509467257;asciilifeform;epic junk
1731212;1509467267;asciilifeform;nao i only look at the ru b00kz
1731213;1509467308;mircea_popescu;last anglo books worth reading were penned cca 70s i suspect. i can't recall finding one useful past feynman, knuth etc.
1731214;1509467338;asciilifeform;laugh if you like but nowadays i even look at my ru knuth moar often than at original
1731215;1509467376;asciilifeform;( ffa work resulted in many hours deep in knuth )
1731216;1509467390;mircea_popescu;all i can think of is seinfeld not understanding what books are. "they're books. once you've read them, you've read them. what do you need them for."
1731217;1509467403;asciilifeform;there is a chukcha story about this
1731218;1509467423;mircea_popescu;one story for each chukcha.
1731219;1509467432;asciilifeform;!~google книга у меня уже есть
1731220;1509467433;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Зачем мне книга - у меня уже есть одна!: Воспитание детей ...: <https://newsland.com/content/zachem-mne-kniga-u-menia-uzhe-est-odna/6044201>; "А книга у меня уже есть !" (окончание) - Книги и библиотеки ...: <http://www.libertarium.ru/16019/lib_allmaterials>; "А книга у меня уже есть !" (начало) (1 more message)
1731221;1509467462;asciilifeform;( chukcha is offered a goodb00k. replies 'but thank you, old friend, i already own a book!'
1731222;1509467465;asciilifeform;)
1731223;1509467485;asciilifeform;the comp, of course, has more or less made this unfunny.
1731224;1509467490;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730760 << keep us posted.
1731225;1509467490;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:28 cazalla: and fuck them and make babies
1731226;1509467507;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this took the shape of ... milytsia man offered.
1731227;1509467511;mircea_popescu;in rolands.
1731228;1509467520;asciilifeform;lol!
1731229;1509467546;mircea_popescu;dja have the "why do chukcha go about in pairs ?" "they teach one to read and the other to write" one ?
1731230;1509467563;asciilifeform;nah that one only re 'ment' ( militsya man )
1731231;1509467567;mircea_popescu;aok.
1731232;1509467584;mircea_popescu;but do you know what the measure of inteligence is ?
1731233;1509467597;asciilifeform;hm?
1731234;1509467604;mircea_popescu;inteligence is measured in tsya.
1731235;1509467608;mircea_popescu;care to guess how it's calibrated ?
1731236;1509467608;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha
1731237;1509467613;asciilifeform;aha.
1731238;1509467629;asciilifeform;it would also seem that british know this :
1731239;1509467631;asciilifeform;they have a phrase,
1731240;1509467634;asciilifeform;'a whole policeman'
1731241;1509467692;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730769 << you know it's conceivable our needs might differ.
1731242;1509467692;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:28 cazalla: but mircea_popescu always complaining of these people
1731243;1509467695;asciilifeform;upstack, asciilifeform came to realize that ru knuth might come with him in the launch capsule, but orig. prollynot.
1731244;1509467722;asciilifeform;( in practice, neither will, once i find/make a scan of the ru )
1731245;1509467732;asciilifeform;gotta shave those grams.
1731246;1509467752;mircea_popescu;what's the liftoff weight calculated at ?
1731247;1509467765;asciilifeform;maybe 100kg + meat, optimistically
1731248;1509467773;asciilifeform;that's approx what it was when i moved 1st time
1731249;1509467793;*;mircea_popescu routinely gets airlines to ferry tons for him. they're generally happy to, at least the better ones, if you're willing to do it by arrangement.
1731250;1509467803;asciilifeform;they will ferry megatonne! if you want to pay, lol.
1731251;1509467809;asciilifeform;get an 'antonov' or the like
1731252;1509467813;mircea_popescu;charge about 1/2 what courier does.
1731253;1509467823;asciilifeform;it's called freight.
1731254;1509467832;mircea_popescu;ie about 1500 per ton-1Mm.
1731255;1509467840;asciilifeform;aha.
1731256;1509467848;mircea_popescu;meanwhile fedex etc generally want 30-40.
1731257;1509467856;asciilifeform;ugh that's for what, same-day ?!
1731258;1509467894;asciilifeform;for 30-40 i can split it into suitcases and give 10 people phree vacation so they carry'em, lol.
1731259;1509467895;mircea_popescu;well, whatever they do. same-day except it crosses borders so next week kthx.
1731260;1509467905;asciilifeform;lol!!
1731261;1509467919;mircea_popescu;i've never experienced same-day delivery across jurisdictions.
1731262;1509467934;asciilifeform;trivial if in own hands, neh
1731263;1509467942;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, the only item ever so transported as far as anyone knows is diana's dildo that one time.
1731264;1509467953;asciilifeform;that and icbm cones.
1731265;1509467953;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform point being not own hands, yes.
1731266;1509467969;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no icbm cone yet delivered on own power ; so no, 2weeks+ common for parts.
1731267;1509467990;asciilifeform;scene from shop in ro : asciilifeform's pet fondling some kitchen apparatus. asciilifeform answers 'i do not have rocket to put this on'
1731268;1509468008;mircea_popescu;pet moves on to fondling viagra packages.
1731269;1509468012;asciilifeform;lol
1731270;1509468022;mircea_popescu;"then get rocket, beotch!!1"
1731271;1509468063;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730799 << been doing a lot of that have you ?
1731272;1509468063;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:32 cazalla: people as rooshvforum
1731273;1509468105;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730804 << pro tip : 1920 poor italian women very fat.
1731274;1509468105;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:32 asciilifeform: how a gypsy can get fact, remains a mystery
1731275;1509468111;mircea_popescu;lotta starch lotta oils.
1731276;1509468119;asciilifeform;aaaaa like usa blax
1731277;1509468123;mircea_popescu;quite.
1731278;1509468146;asciilifeform;then surprising that i saw only 1 such.
1731279;1509468156;BingoBoingo;!!up cazalla
1731280;1509468156;deedbot;cazalla voiced for 30 minutes.
1731281;1509468175;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730817 << never a good idea to entertain the byproduct of uppity fathers. he wants her, he can appassionata all over her ass.
1731282;1509468175;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:34 cazalla: but her father so motivated, so rich, take care of of her every concern
1731283;1509468244;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730820 << - >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730833 this is definitely too early.
1731284;1509468244;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:34 cazalla: DUMB AS SHIT
1731285;1509468244;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:36 cazalla: at 18 months
1731286;1509468260;mircea_popescu;i can't discern if 16yos will grow up into dumb or not half the time. HALF THE TIME!
1731287;1509468393;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730829 << the aetiology is usually mechanic not genetic. kid spends too much time laid flat. mostly due to you know, "keep baby on back lest it suddenly dies" anglo-nonsense.
1731288;1509468393;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:36 cazalla: plagiocephaly
1731289;1509468454;asciilifeform;sorta hilarious, anglos turned the (elementary, but for some reason 'unprintable') fact that some % of females, 'apoptote' their spawn -- into a faux-epidemiological clusterfuck
1731290;1509468469;mircea_popescu;it's really not clear how/why that works.
1731291;1509468475;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-10#1196745 << see also.
1731292;1509468475;a111;Logged on 2015-07-10 17:56 ascii_field: most recently, when digging out the 'mother nature' infanticide study link for ben_vulpes
1731293;1509468508;mircea_popescu;anyway, the obvious solution is keep baby in water.
1731294;1509468565;asciilifeform;swap the water instead of diaper... genius
1731295;1509468591;asciilifeform;can use standard aquarium or needs custom job, i wonder.
1731296;1509468624;mircea_popescu;well there's no such thing as standard acquarium. but sure, keep the temperature reasonable, an hour or two at a stretch, can be multiple passes per day.
1731297;1509468647;mircea_popescu;correct solution is to just use the spawning pool, "always a woman or two in there, and a buncha infants".
1731298;1509468656;mircea_popescu;they call spawners "whales" for a reason you know.
1731299;1509468727;mircea_popescu;have industrial (well, restaurant) strength garbage disposal put in for the placentae and aquajets for light play on the side, you're golden. 20-30 sqm of water amply suffices.
1731300;1509468939;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730886 << dawg you gotta make more human lines. wtf is this bs, three words to the line.
1731301;1509468939;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:57 cazalla: catch me if u can
1731302;1509468979;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730888 << kid be liek, "i see through your shenanigans, sir."
1731303;1509468979;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:58 cazalla: my daugther, so beautiful, maybe fathers bias https://imgur.com/a/4ejEM
1731304;1509469243;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730924 << moreover, when buying citizenship, always buy the cheapest.
1731305;1509469243;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 14:33 diana_coman: I'm sure it's not even the only citizenship for sale for that matter
1731306;1509469249;mircea_popescu;shows they have their head in the rightr place.
1731307;1509469356;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730958 << lmao wut!
1731308;1509469356;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 14:52 asciilifeform: if my name is in its papers anywhere -- then yes
1731309;1509469421;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730969 << this makes no sense, does it ? you... call the operator to authorize a pre-arranged payment. way this has worked since days of fugger.
1731310;1509469421;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 14:58 asciilifeform: there's maybe 3 people who i trust to be physically present in a room where i bring a btc privkey. and none of them live in ro.
1731311;1509469505;mircea_popescu;full example : 1. you find dood wants to buy btc ; 2. you pre-arrange time, place, values involved ; 3. you register alf-trade-0001 nick ; 4. you register a key for it with deedbot ; 5. you !!pay sum to it ; 6. you meet buyer, with that thing's key ; 7. pay or not pay, but in any case.
1731312;1509469511;mircea_popescu;and obviously "you" can mean anything.
1731313;1509469535;*;mircea_popescu wonders why he has to explain this, and why in 2017.
1731314;1509469592;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730970 << nah, can buy for cash. heck, can buy for personal notes. the "buying" in proper countries (ie, with torens title) is the act of registration of property ownership ; you can do that by declaration.
1731315;1509469592;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:00 asciilifeform: also afaik you still need a saecular bank in the loop to buy real estate there.
1731316;1509469665;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730975 << most kids get ro papers by having their parents say they let them stay in.
1731317;1509469665;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:04 diana_coman: asciilifeform, not really; former requires someone to go with you and say you can live in their house/flat etc
1731318;1509469678;mircea_popescu;this is an important formative element, prolly on its way out for that very reason.
1731319;1509469726;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730978 << she's right, perfectly workable 2 people farm (that will feed 10) can be had in pictoresque (ie, remote) regions of eeurope, not just ro, for < 5k in cash, same-day.
1731320;1509469726;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:08 diana_coman: ahahaha; logically it should be, yeah; but re "where to live" - you can buy a house in some village for a few thousands max, not exactly need bank either so dunno that being a huge trouble in itself; then again, each with their own problems to solve
1731321;1509469745;mircea_popescu;this is the aspirational of the arab refugees, move in work land.
1731322;1509469793;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730980  << you overestimate people's grit. most people who own a building imagine their biosack's "worth a lot more" than that, will not deign to risk it over such a piddly item as a sackful of dough. WHAT IF HE BITES BACK!?!?!?!
1731323;1509469793;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:09 asciilifeform: what's to keep the counterparty from whacking you over the head and taking the phree gift ?
1731324;1509469826;mircea_popescu;for that matter, when's the last time yo usaw anyone get out of the car with a tire iron in hand ?
1731325;1509469831;asciilifeform;well it dun have to be literal whack, could be dud contract or some other variant of 'you paid but dun own nuffin'
1731326;1509469851;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/
1731327;1509469861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform torens title. get it registered, it's done.
1731328;1509469869;mircea_popescu;ro / sane places do not use contracts for real property.
1731329;1509469873;asciilifeform;neato
1731330;1509469902;mircea_popescu;if the op raises the slightest objection, warn once, walk on 2nd pass.
1731331;1509469913;mircea_popescu;100% objeciton means not-the-owner.
1731332;1509469928;asciilifeform;this is pretty great; usa never invented torrens
1731333;1509469938;mircea_popescu;usa never invented anything worth the mention.
1731334;1509469942;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> or even passable jp pronounciation << What about Cantonese?
1731335;1509470078;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: tonal
1731336;1509470118;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730983 << http://ocpitimis.ro/documente.php ; #21 (last) is item of interest for you.
1731337;1509470118;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:10 asciilifeform: so what does this look like ? walk in with suitcase of benjies, come out with plutoni^H^H^H^Htitle ?
1731338;1509470128;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu , will read
1731339;1509470158;mircea_popescu;basically you go there with the owner, he provides all the paperwork they want, thassit.
1731340;1509470200;mircea_popescu;same principle in say egypt, or anywhere else in civilised world.
1731341;1509470211;mircea_popescu;(if different principle -- do reconsider "ownership" there.)
1731342;1509470236;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730985 << this also works well, if you own one. if you don't own one, meh.
1731343;1509470236;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:11 diana_coman: go to public notary, what
1731344;1509470303;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730997 << this is doubtless. ustards are called tards because they are tards, not because we want or like to call them tards.
1731345;1509470303;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: i'ma have to research, but i'd bet money that it is true. otherwise americans would have snapped up all of the country, and there would not exist such a thing as a 50k-usd house in timis.
1731346;1509470310;mircea_popescu;and by doubtless i mean doubtful.
1731347;1509470318;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: tonal << Only 8 of them
1731348;1509470336;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731005 << what, in romania ? come off it.
1731349;1509470336;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:18 asciilifeform: and actually owning something
1731350;1509470413;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731019 << i never paid anything notable in property tax, even for whole buildings. typically it's the last in a sorted list of property bills, under even de-snowing services and such.
1731351;1509470413;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:23 asciilifeform: sounds like on anything short of a palace, it is less than my current mains current bill
1731352;1509470451;mircea_popescu;your heating costs will typically outpace it by two degrees of magnitude (romania does get bitter winters, a la boston not a la wash dc)
1731353;1509470457;asciilifeform;i expect that it will
1731354;1509470472;asciilifeform;the diff b/w what i pay for ~fiber~ nao, and would pay there, alone, would prolly pay for small flat
1731355;1509470500;mircea_popescu;and timisoara, technically is mediteranean climate, has figs. except one year there it had a winter of pure doom, people died in teh streets etc.
1731356;1509470531;asciilifeform;and grapes !!
1731357;1509470533;asciilifeform;everywhere !
1731358;1509470558;asciilifeform;and i used to live at that parallel , know what the winter loox like.
1731359;1509470566;*;asciilifeform actually likes winter.
1731360;1509470640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-16#-318612
1731361;1509470640;a111;Logged on 2012-08-16 09:08 mircea_popescu: Luceo no joke on either score. romania interwebz is like top 5 IN THE WERLD.
1731362;1509470681;asciilifeform;i saw the fat, fat spools of fiber, and billboards promising 1G/s for 9bux/mo.
1731363;1509470687;asciilifeform;so i believe.
1731364;1509470690;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like it sure, but still gotta heat. iirc a reasonably modern setup took me back something like $1 / cubicmeter-year.
1731365;1509470712;asciilifeform;that's less than what i pay nao, by far, because today i live in a ~paper~ house.
1731366;1509470714;mircea_popescu;thereabouts anyway.
1731367;1509470723;mircea_popescu;yeah this was ~1m thick walls.
1731368;1509470751;asciilifeform;i suspect that i pay moar for moving bits, than mircea_popescu paid for heat.
1731369;1509470762;mircea_popescu;but you can have the bare-concrete matchbox flats, those are a nightmare in terms of heat efficiency. which generally why cheap.
1731370;1509470770;asciilifeform;hruschebas yea
1731371;1509470774;asciilifeform;i saw some in bucharest
1731372;1509470784;mircea_popescu;course in many places town hall undertook some insulation work. not great afaik.
1731373;1509470797;asciilifeform;can always self-made insulate, carpets & various orc solutions.
1731374;1509470805;asciilifeform;but i'd be buying a freestanding thing, not a hruscheba, lol
1731375;1509470810;mircea_popescu;meh.
1731376;1509470818;mircea_popescu;homemade insulation like homemade contraception.
1731377;1509470828;mircea_popescu;some things are better served by industrial rather than artesanal solutions.
1731378;1509470839;*;asciilifeform does not disagree
1731379;1509470958;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731021 << not at all ; for one thing you take a 3 or 5 year lease ; this works as an option -- you can stay or leave, they can;'t kick you out.
1731380;1509470958;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:24 asciilifeform: yea but when you rent a house, orig owner can fail to renew lease, and kick you
1731381;1509470967;mircea_popescu;if concerned, add auto-renewal, they can never kick you out as long as you pay.
1731382;1509470979;mircea_popescu;this, ftr, is the ONLY way rent works. anything else, see above discussion re torrens title.
1731383;1509470984;mircea_popescu;not this -- not rent.
1731384;1509471079;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731023 << you can. provided that they are not damaging to the property (no, change is not presumptively damage) the only avenue of owner is to protest to whatever authority, which may or may not inspect, and generally will write down some subevaluation of your improvements. which the owner will be held to pay when you leave.
1731385;1509471079;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:24 asciilifeform: and you generally can't make massive reworks
1731386;1509471084;mircea_popescu;so in general they tend not to dare.
1731387;1509471093;asciilifeform;i like the idea of my recurring monthly expenses being 3fig. and this aint happening with leases.
1731388;1509471114;mircea_popescu;(similar to how exams, or sentences work -- you're more than welcome to appeal, but you can end up with a worse outcome! you didn't like your 6, here's a 4. you didn't like the 5 years, here's 7.)
1731389;1509471149;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can prolly have something like a detached suburban house or a girl's townhouse (3 rooms, central) for three figs np.
1731390;1509471159;asciilifeform;total, incl food/heat/net.
1731391;1509471189;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most "independent" vagabonds with delusions of being students live on 2-300 a month you realise.
1731392;1509471199;asciilifeform;i'm not 19.
1731393;1509471207;mircea_popescu;you're not giving yourself much space here, "i wish to live like prince on 3x what bum spends".
1731394;1509471213;asciilifeform;and intend to keep having a scum-free 4 walls and laboratory.
1731395;1509471218;mircea_popescu;on 3x bum power you get... 3 bums!
1731396;1509471232;asciilifeform;well no, in ro you get a house, in theory, for what a harley costs in usa.
1731397;1509471251;mircea_popescu;you imagine discounted market values don't work in romania or what the fuck.
1731398;1509471270;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu did quote '50k usd' for the house he wrote about.
1731399;1509471273;mircea_popescu;the "harley worth" place in romania will rent in romania for what the harley leases for in the us. wtf.
1731400;1509471281;mircea_popescu;which is this ?
1731401;1509471295;asciilifeform;the one with the square lawn that mircea_popescu cut with electric grass cutter
1731402;1509471304;asciilifeform;and where he boiled old hdds in tomato compote
1731403;1509471305;mircea_popescu;to link plox.
1731404;1509471309;mircea_popescu;when referencing, we reference!
1731405;1509471357;asciilifeform;i'ma come back to this, it is buried in l0gz.
1731406;1509471379;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731027 << same exact http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731342 as before -- if you own a construction crew, yes. otherwise, no.
1731407;1509471379;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:26 diana_coman: asciilifeform> and you generally can't make massive reworks <- this yes, though I'd be surprised you wouldn't be able to agree with landlord; more like you'll go nuts trying to get what you want from builders, but that's a different story
1731408;1509471379;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 17:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730985 << this also works well, if you own one. if you don't own one, meh.
1731409;1509471403;mircea_popescu;and this is generally a point -- if you want quality sex work done, you bring your own whores. and so following.
1731410;1509471425;mircea_popescu;own people and rent land works da fuck better of trying to pretend like you own land on rented people.
1731411;1509471440;mircea_popescu;if the medieval mercenary experience taught us anything.
1731412;1509471502;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731030 << don't be silly, renting excavator is like 50 bux a day, no questions asked.
1731413;1509471502;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:27 asciilifeform: yes and all of it easily done with own hands.
1731414;1509471565;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's expertise re real estate reminds me of construction expert recommending diesel-powered circular saws to escaping prisoner. zek does not have diesel saw, or electric, zek has a length of band saw smuggled in anally.
1731415;1509471625;mircea_popescu;dude... i went into the lot, asked for the boss, they pointed me to the office-latrine, i was like "i want an excavator" he was like "50 a day" "i was like here" then he pointed out the window to machinery.
1731416;1509471631;mircea_popescu;did not fucking bother to ask if i can even drive it.
1731417;1509471639;asciilifeform;oh re excavator i entirely believe.
1731418;1509471652;mircea_popescu;could have used it to dig out the local jandarmerie building.
1731419;1509471667;mircea_popescu;they wouldn't have even shot at me, i'm 100% sure, just got out of the way and scratched heads wtf.
1731420;1509471673;asciilifeform;fwiw in usa can also rent excavator. but it's 500 not 50 / d.
1731421;1509471697;mircea_popescu;maybe. doubt it tho. for one thing -- gotta have union worker.
1731422;1509471700;asciilifeform;naaaah
1731423;1509471702;mircea_popescu;doubt you can rent it for cash either.
1731424;1509471722;asciilifeform;can rent. my neighbour at prev street kept a stable of'em.
1731425;1509471735;mircea_popescu;well that's nice then.
1731426;1509471755;asciilifeform;what was not-so-nice in ro is that money changers take copy of passport
1731427;1509471759;asciilifeform;felt quite like usa.
1731428;1509471779;mircea_popescu;fantozzi once famously went shopping brought his shit back home in an excavator, with a fleet of dozen cabs following. cuz rich!
1731429;1509471782;asciilifeform;i wondered if because to prosecute false coiners, or because usg demands record, or both
1731430;1509471795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was in a trilema i recall !
1731431;1509471797;mircea_popescu;natl bank demands record.
1731432;1509471803;mircea_popescu;im sure it was.
1731433;1509471817;asciilifeform;they had this very elaborate contraption for supposedly ferreting out faek benjies
1731434;1509471821;asciilifeform;took forever to chug
1731435;1509471856;asciilifeform;i sat there and wondered how often american banx dispense pseudobenjies to unsuspecting idjits
1731436;1509471997;asciilifeform;btw found thread, mircea_popescu is right, quoted cost was 80 not 50 : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1264870
1731437;1509471997;a111;Logged on 2015-09-07 03:12 mircea_popescu: had the option to buy it for like 80k, which i didn't take.
1731438;1509472000;asciilifeform;still not megabux
1731439;1509472081;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform does not need quite as many cubometres as mircea_popescu .
1731440;1509472676;mircea_popescu;in other news, i bought some lillies yest, maybe 1-2 kgs or so for like 2 bux. decided i liked them, sent girl to buy out the shop.
1731441;1509472694;mircea_popescu;i now have about 7 ppk lilly, it's fragrant.
1731442;1509472725;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also was an option to me. iirc they were trying to retail it to rando sucker for 105 or such.
1731443;1509472740;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> well no, in ro you get a house, in theory, for what a harley costs in usa. << Which harley? This is the 1.2k to 100.2k question
1731444;1509472752;mircea_popescu;but no, certainly not megabux.
1731445;1509472766;mircea_popescu;a further 3 to 5x away from the original 3x the bum's fare. which is how this works, after all.
1731446;1509472789;asciilifeform;i will note, for non-usaschwitz readers, that if you want a 80k BRICK house in usa, it will be in 1) baltimore 2) with all food vendor in 100km being 'food depot' ( see thread from last july ) 3) no 1mB/s, much less gB/s, fiber, for any price
1731447;1509472799;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo similarily to "whcih house", we presume these matched.
1731448;1509472823;mircea_popescu;romania also has the "million dollar condo flat" delusion, on like calea victoriei in bucharest etc. similar to moscow seattle what have you
1731449;1509472834;asciilifeform;there are idjits in any country neh.
1731450;1509472842;mircea_popescu;there'd better be.
1731451;1509472848;asciilifeform;i saw ads in timis, 'win a flat in bucharest!'
1731452;1509472862;asciilifeform;they were, unsurprisingly, near the american reservation
1731453;1509472866;asciilifeform;( mall thing )
1731454;1509472867;mircea_popescu;most usg-once-removed corps are trying hard to advertise bucharest.
1731455;1509472871;mircea_popescu;aha.
1731456;1509472914;asciilifeform;anyway 80 is same weight class as 50 : what a nice truck costs in usa.
1731457;1509472931;mircea_popescu;but the dubious advantage ("historic building!!!") is readily blown out by much nicer historical buildings in ancient civilised lands. get a palace in sibiu rather than a an ex brothel from the time of carol in bucharest.
1731458;1509472971;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i will note, for non-usaschwitz readers, that if you want a 80k BRICK house in usa, it will be in 1) baltimore 2) with all food vendor in 100km being 'food depot' ( see thread from last july ) 3) no 1mB/s, much less gB/s, fiber, for any price << Nah dawg. We have a handful of 75-85k brick houses within 20 minute walk of BingoBoingo's seat. Catch is small, 1950's foundation on slab idiocy
1731459;1509472972;asciilifeform;in usa you get a cardboard box for 500-900k.
1731460;1509472980;asciilifeform;and with petroroquefort to eat.
1731461;1509472999;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: rowhouse ain't a house.
1731462;1509473002;BingoBoingo;Within municipal fiber zone even
1731463;1509473012;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Even have yards on all 4 sides of house
1731464;1509473021;asciilifeform;and are in stlouis lol
1731465;1509473033;BingoBoingo;Nah, in the burbs
1731466;1509473042;asciilifeform;i fucking hate burbs.
1731467;1509473052;BingoBoingo;Well, the exeburbs.
1731468;1509473069;BingoBoingo;The burbs are still longer walk.
1731469;1509473078;BingoBoingo;Stl is day and a half walk.
1731470;1509473139;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: picture, there are barely any guards even in museums. folx leave doors unlocked.
1731471;1509473149;asciilifeform;resembles perhaps usa in 1910s.
1731472;1509473163;asciilifeform;or whenever they last had proper lynchings.
1731473;1509473170;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730654 << you know, there's no substantial difference betwene a bunch of idle idiots hanging around tardstalk type 1 and "consensus"-ing that bitcoin "needs larger blocks" and a not-even-different bunch of idle idiots hanging around tardstalk type n and "consensus"-ing that "deze western women".
1731474;1509473170;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 13:07 cazalla: these fucking western women
1731475;1509473182;mircea_popescu;harem is mostly the very same western women with no visible drawback.
1731476;1509473206;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Door left unlocked here too, we don't have the urban folk to necessitate much locking
1731477;1509473221;mircea_popescu;how did that expression go, "i like to encourage intruders"
1731478;1509473225;asciilifeform;in theory there is no difference between u-235 and u-238; just take out the extra pieces!1111
1731479;1509473229;asciilifeform;in practice -- difference.
1731480;1509473262;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> how did that expression go, "i like to encourage intruders" << AHA, chainsaw!
1731481;1509473271;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i was saving this for the travelogue, but will give 1 interesting example: the flagpoles in timis, have no locks on the winch.
1731482;1509473275;asciilifeform;in usa -- always lock.
1731483;1509473276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the folks with unlocked doors are often married galz trying to get cazalla a 3rd while he's not looking mmkay
1731484;1509473313;asciilifeform;possibly
1731485;1509473326;asciilifeform;i can't think of any other plausible theory.
1731486;1509473328;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What is this lock on winch. Either flagpole is on ground and has knot, or on roof and has lock to roof because lulzsuits
1731487;1509473345;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: over here -- locks
1731488;1509473346;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-plumber-rampant/ ftw
1731489;1509473394;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform the folks with unlocked doors are often married galz trying to get cazalla a 3rd while he's not looking mmkay << Also lonely old people who are afraid lock door means they'll miss family's visits
1731490;1509473406;mircea_popescu;jesus that's sad
1731491;1509473419;asciilifeform;also asciilifeform's mind was blown by the timis parks that are open 24/7
1731492;1509473423;asciilifeform;and not locked at dusk
1731493;1509473435;asciilifeform;and playgrounds with chillunz in'em at 2300 hrs
1731494;1509473456;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Surprisingly common story from the dope girls looking to stop doping
1731495;1509473509;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: How do they lock you parks in Bmore? Do they hang a cable all the way around and pray to Petrus?
1731496;1509473530;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gates, + cop car will prod anyone found within to move
1731497;1509473549;asciilifeform;in dc suburbia typically just the latter, too poor to fence in parks
1731498;1509473555;mircea_popescu;this sounds like the set of a bad action movie.
1731499;1509473556;BingoBoingo;Then how do people fish when they fish are actually biting?
1731500;1509473560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's usa .
1731501;1509473563;asciilifeform;aka set of bad movie.
1731502;1509473577;asciilifeform;the worst movie ever made.
1731503;1509473581;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, i personally got head in park in this usa of yours.
1731504;1509473589;asciilifeform;it's not physically impossible
1731505;1509473609;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu said he had bought plutonium in the same park -- i would also believe.
1731506;1509473615;BingoBoingo;Park's generally where teenage guy takes girl to get head first time
1731507;1509473624;mircea_popescu;it wasn't in any sense challenging. certainly no cop car twirliong about
1731508;1509473633;asciilifeform;but what you can't do there, is to not step on the detritus left behind by hooting, hollering 'human' detritus
1731509;1509473637;mircea_popescu;(i'd have asked how much with the love-hotel-with-lights for an hour)
1731510;1509473670;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> but what you can't do there, is to not step on the detritus left behind by hooting, hollering 'human' detritus << What, your parks don't have department of picking up after park?
1731511;1509473677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe that\s why they close them then, too much work to keep clean.
1731512;1509473754;asciilifeform;other phunphakt : no anti-bum spikes on benches in timis
1731513;1509473758;asciilifeform;because 0 bums.
1731514;1509473771;asciilifeform;( where they put the bums ? i do not know. possibly all hiding inside the abandoned machine shop. )
1731515;1509473841;asciilifeform;in major usa urban landscale ( nyc, dc, chicago, bmore , etc ) ~every physical space that can hold a bum, holds a bum
1731516;1509473849;asciilifeform;doorways, unspiked benches, steam grates.
1731517;1509473956;asciilifeform;*landscape
1731518;1509474059;asciilifeform;i dun even have anything against proper bums.
1731519;1509474087;asciilifeform;but i did enjoy the absense of 'people with no indoor voice', hollering, barfing, smashing public fixtures, etc
1731520;1509474841;mod6;there have been people straight up shitting in the train-station garbage cans here lately.
1731521;1509474868;mod6;entire edifice covered in hobo-piss
1731522;1509475000;asciilifeform;mod6: i did see a d00d pissing over one of them habsburg bridges. but he was no moar hobo than i.
1731523;1509475014;asciilifeform;and it was cleanly into the river, not on the stone.
1731524;1509475053;asciilifeform;now on the outskirts of the old town there is an abandoned communist-era latrine, where the fixtures have been removed, but folx still come and piss on the floor.
1731525;1509475068;asciilifeform;iirc one of the folx in c2 even made use of one of these.
1731526;1509475087;asciilifeform;but it is inoffensive, not comparable to piss in lifts or trains imho.
1731527;1509475161;asciilifeform;for some reason the city hall locked most of the working public latrines. though i found that they had unlocked the ones in the marktplatz.
1731528;1509475854;*;BingoBoingo eating minutiea of BGP today
1731529;1509475891;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's pretty lulzy. picture gossipd but 0 even attempt at crypto, and you nearly have it.
1731530;1509475918;BingoBoingo;It's very lulzy, even with its own size crisis to boot!
1731531;1509475937;asciilifeform;( speaking of crypto, usg lulz http://archive.is/7UnjC >> label 'no backdoors' == 'extremist crypto' nao )
1731532;1509476292;asciilifeform;^ complete with megatonne of perverse and pseudolegalistic jesuitry, almost custom trololol for mircea_popescu .
1731533;1509476341;asciilifeform;been a long time since i read quite this degree of keyescrow-pantsuitistry, at any rate.
1731534;1509477740;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1731535;1509477746;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6328.19, vol: 12820.82939930 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6324.4, vol: 35664.65234663 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6334.0, vol: 3600.43990801 | Volume-weighted last average: 6325.99649986
1731536;1509477827;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: out of curiosity, ever actually been to the tropics ?
1731537;1509477834;asciilifeform;prior to moving, i'd consider visit
1731538;1509477854;asciilifeform;iirc they gave yer passport back, neh
1731539;1509477874;asciilifeform;what's a round trip cost, a kilo ?
1731540;1509477944;BingoBoingo;Passport back, round trip to interesting places costs ~2.5 kilo. For Brazil in particular it costs extra 2-4 weeks of passport in mail and their hands, because reciprocity.
1731541;1509477951;asciilifeform;oh another phunphakt for BingoBoingo : timis and bucharest both, appear to run on smoke. as in, ~everybody is smoking ~all of the time.
1731542;1509477982;BingoBoingo;Ah, entire cities of concrete finishers!
1731543;1509478061;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun get it, can't go to consulate and buy a visa ?
1731544;1509478105;BingoBoingo;If go to consulate still takes ~1-2 weeks of passport in their hands. Brazil is very serious about reciprocity.
1731545;1509478167;asciilifeform;this must be a recent thing
1731546;1509478171;asciilifeform;( that, or BingoBoingo misread. )
1731547;1509478198;asciilifeform;at any rate in his place i'd find a way to go there, prior to proposing marriages / corp shenanigans etc.
1731548;1509478216;asciilifeform;maybe BingoBoingo finds that he cannot abide the mosquitoes, whoknows.
1731549;1509478246;BingoBoingo;Nah, Brazil does to would be visitors to what others do to would be visitors from. This is why Peru is becoming interesting as other place with fiber so long things needing fiber stay in Lima.
1731550;1509478554;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mosquitos exist here to. Sao Paulo is decently far south. Anyways, the white man is programmed to respond to climate aversity through colonization.
1731551;1509479010;BingoBoingo;From other tropics: "Justice Scott Crichton penned a brief opinion concurring in the court’s decision not to hear the case. He wrote, apparently in absolute seriousness, that “the defendant’s ambiguous and equivocal reference to a ‘lawyer dog’ does not constitute an invocation of counsel that warrants termination of the interview."
1731552;1509479562;asciilifeform;lolwat
1731553;1509479755;BingoBoingo;Quirk of Lousiana law, one cannot ask for a "lawyer, dawg". Must be interpreted phonetically.
1731554;1509480388;*;trinque finally gave in and put the IRC node back on a server.
1731555;1509481914;mod6;ohmahgerd extreme encryption!
1731556;1509481928;*;mod6 laughs 
1731557;1509482618;shinohai;< 90 days, already gotta fork it! http://archive.is/cMYYT
1731558;1509485681;asciilifeform;'upgrade is designed to stabilize the problematic difficulty adjustment algorithm' << lol!!
1731559;1509485782;asciilifeform;woah shitcoin pumped to 0.07
1731560;1509485803;asciilifeform;somebody, astonishingly, still gives a fuck
1731561;1509486139;davout;in soviet bitcoinlandia, forkers fork you
1731562;1509486149;shinohai;lel
1731563;1509486909;shinohai;!!up felipelalli
1731564;1509486910;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1731565;1509487144;davout;reddit's confusion over buttcash's fork is very entertaining
1731566;1509487908;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat
1731567;1509488548;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731531 <<< pretty extreme trololol indeed
1731568;1509488548;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 18:52 asciilifeform: ( speaking of crypto, usg lulz http://archive.is/7UnjC >> label 'no backdoors' == 'extremist crypto' nao )
1731569;1509488568;davout;"The assumption among these parties and organizations is largely that the potentially enormous adverse consequences are not their problem, and there are no legal consequences to their actions."
1731570;1509488587;davout;(speaking about folks... encrypting their comms)
1731571;1509488726;davout;i guess these idiots win if you spend time reading their nonsense
1731572;1509489016;shinohai;We win when lulzing, then continuing about our bidness
1731573;1509489337;BingoBoingo;!!up felipelalli
1731574;1509489337;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1731575;1509489379;BingoBoingo;In other news, Peru's girls of OKC are very helpful.
1731576;1509489470;shinohai;see if any are !~tits worthy BingoBoingo .... last 2 participants were subpar.
1731577;1509489707;BingoBoingo;In time  shinohai, priority 1 is rackspace and residency.
1731578;1509489734;shinohai;True.
1731579;1509489767;shinohai;Rackspace + Residency, then Revelry
1731580;1509489834;davout;rackspace, rackpix, same diff
1731581;1509489890;BingoBoingo;diff, which I why I am looking to be able to walk to rack
1731582;1509490054;felipelalli;Hi BingoBoingo !
1731583;1509490069;BingoBoingo;Oi, tudo bem?
1731584;1509490074;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731527 << it's on trilema, they decided to destroy the proper, sewage-connected items and replace at significant cost with ustardian boxes like for concerts etc.
1731585;1509490074;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 18:39 asciilifeform: for some reason the city hall locked most of the working public latrines. though i found that they had unlocked the ones in the marktplatz.
1731586;1509490077;mircea_popescu;orcs gotta colony.
1731587;1509490242;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: tudo ótimo! :) send me an email telling more details about your project / business and goals, and I can introduce it to any of the accountant companies I told you.
1731588;1509490276;BingoBoingo;Oh, I thought you were sending contact information over?
1731589;1509490306;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731532 << i really dun follow the idiocy. they can say whatever, in the end what matters is what matters and the jews are not on the voice list.
1731590;1509490306;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 18:58 asciilifeform: ^ complete with megatonne of perverse and pseudolegalistic jesuitry, almost custom trololol for mircea_popescu .
1731591;1509490336;mircea_popescu;felipelalli BingoBoingo what are you two dicking about with already ? gpg -aer name ; put it in p.benvulpes.com and that is all you need.
1731592;1509490352;mircea_popescu;if you don't have the keys, !!key name and then gpg --import.
1731593;1509490457;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731544 << everyone is, as a result of usg militant tardation. i can just drive into brazil. you -- can not. they "banned" turkish visitors, as if anyone from turkey could be arsed to go to the us ; turkey reciprocated, meaning about 70% of classical antiquity is now off limits to what in english passes for "the civilised world".
1731594;1509490457;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 19:28 BingoBoingo: If go to consulate still takes ~1-2 weeks of passport in their hands. Brazil is very serious about reciprocity.
1731595;1509490465;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1731596;1509490503;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Por favor, criptografe as informações de contato para as empresas na minha chave pública. Cole o text em p.benvulpes.com
1731597;1509490561;felipelalli;Ok BingoBoingo! Just wait some minutes, I'll finish the dinner.
1731598;1509490567;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731551 << lmao. sop SOPS.
1731599;1509490567;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 19:43 BingoBoingo: From other tropics: "Justice Scott Crichton penned a brief opinion concurring in the court’s decision not to hear the case. He wrote, apparently in absolute seriousness, that “the defendant’s ambiguous and equivocal reference to a ‘lawyer dog’ does not constitute an invocation of counsel that warrants termination of the interview."
1731600;1509490622;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731557 << the endearing derpitude. srsly, these schmucks think anyone gives a shit about their bitcent dead fork ?
1731601;1509490622;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 20:43 shinohai: < 90 days, already gotta fork it! http://archive.is/cMYYT
1731602;1509490810;BingoBoingo;Hey, the glass must crack up as safely as possible http://trilema.com/2016/the-next-generation/
1731603;1509490968;BingoBoingo;Identical half bit-centimeters for all alts
1731604;1509491002;mircea_popescu;heh.
1731605;1509491132;BingoBoingo;Anyways, this is very bullish for the problems of altcoin
1731606;1509491980;BingoBoingo;In other news, the fake news media is misgendering a Home Depot Load-n-go truck as a "uhaul" in their reporting on a NYC aloha snackbar
1731607;1509492119;BingoBoingo;"The driver then stepped from the vehicle, brandishing what appeared to be firearms and shouting. Witnesses described hearing him shout "Allahu Akbar," a phrase that's used in a variety circumstances but which is also frequently yelled by Islamic extremists committing acts of violence. "
1731608;1509492868;mircea_popescu;!#s "coinsmarketnews"
1731609;1509492868;a111;0 results for "\"coinsmarketnews\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22coinsmarketnews%22
1731610;1509492872;mircea_popescu;hm.
1731611;1509492879;mircea_popescu;well, it died meanwhile. but apparently never mentioned.
1731612;1509493777;BingoBoingo;Yet another "lawyer dog" because SOPs https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-outfit-behind-pirate-site-reincarnations-171028/
1731613;1509494102;mircea_popescu;sigh. we've gained a bonus remora now ?
1731614;1509494176;BingoBoingo;Clock's not long on this one