1707983;1504224010;asciilifeform;shinohai: i was playing with the ice40 ~decompiler~ -- not much use in battlefield, but does give interesting picture of how your netlist ends up sitting down on the iron
1707984;1504224035;asciilifeform;( better, imho, picture, than simply reading the datashit )
1707985;1504224169;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents: The State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-September/000272.html
1707986;1504224177;asciilifeform;oh hey
1707987;1504224259;mircea_popescu;dun dun duuunnn
1707988;1504224496;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/ << Trilema - The Goodbye Girl
1707989;1504225292;asciilifeform;btw, i almost let this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707804 escape ! but no, it is worth reading , (if only on warez, dun give the crank moneys) this b00k -- starts with a VERY reasonable 'floatingpoint is retarded, here are 9,009 ways how' and proceeds to a... 'let's make a 9,000X MOAR byzantinely retarded pieceofshitstack!!'
1707990;1504225292;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:29 gabriel_laddel_p: https://www.amazon.com/End-Error-Computing-Chapman-Computational/dp/1482239868
1707991;1504225315;asciilifeform;it is a priceless artifact of 'psychoceramics'
1707992;1504225328;mircea_popescu;psychoceramics ?
1707993;1504225345;asciilifeform;'90s usenetism for the study of crackpottery
1707994;1504225350;mircea_popescu;a
1707995;1504225351;asciilifeform;complete with massive colour photos of 'mathematica' multidimensional plots, etc
1707996;1504225426;asciilifeform;astonishing combo of 'he gets it' and 'wtf, schizo'
1707997;1504225443;mircea_popescu;kinda how this goes.
1707998;1504225537;asciilifeform;it is interesting also in re mircea_popescu's 'false freedoms of choice' concept -- d00d correctly grasps the retardation of ironfloat, but CANNOT seem to let go of it, 'must fix', ends up with 'socialism-with-humanface'-like abortion
1707999;1504225566;mircea_popescu;funny how that goes.
1708000;1504225586;asciilifeform;'believe absurdity ? commit atrocity' -- or how it went.
1708001;1504225591;mircea_popescu;quite.
1708002;1504225661;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707805 << with INTEGERS! srsly...
1708003;1504225661;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 21:29 gabriel_laddel_p: now, I am 100% with ascii that floats have to die. no question. I, however, am severely undereducated & don't know what to replace them with.
1708004;1504225668;asciilifeform;not hard concept .
1708005;1504225790;mircea_popescu;it's not even a positive matter. machine can only have ints until we build a radically diff machine
1708006;1504225839;asciilifeform;deterministic machine ( i.e. where it is not acceptable for output to vary with phase of the moon and which elvis track 'voice of america' is playing ) entails ints.
1708007;1504225853;asciilifeform;sorta how the analogue comps went away.
1708008;1504225869;mircea_popescu;nah, analogues went away for the new jersey reason. too slow.
1708009;1504225874;mircea_popescu;if they were fast they'd still be here.
1708010;1504225876;asciilifeform;for some problems, still champ
1708011;1504225899;asciilifeform;they ARE still here. ( well, in asciilifeform's chamber of horrors, at least... )
1708012;1504225919;mircea_popescu;aha
1708013;1504225939;asciilifeform;and incidentally all comps are 'analogue'. engineer just breaks his back sweating to make the analoguity cancel out before you see it...
1708014;1504225957;asciilifeform;( FUCKGOATS in important sense was a reverse-gear of this process )
1708015;1504226005;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can get op amps with multi-GHz slew rate
1708016;1504226019;asciilifeform;GaAs even.
1708017;1504226111;asciilifeform;problem is that in analogueistan, 2+2 do not make 4, but 4.0003588437865876 etc. and error MULTIPLIES.
1708018;1504226132;mircea_popescu;not so much of a problem, finally got native reals.
1708019;1504226139;mircea_popescu;above -- also true in java.
1708020;1504226141;asciilifeform;they're still, hehe, quantized
1708021;1504226150;asciilifeform;ain't nosuchthing as realz.
1708022;1504226154;mircea_popescu;o noes! you mean ints fundamental limit of universe ?
1708023;1504226161;asciilifeform;them.
1708024;1504226166;mircea_popescu;BUT USG.NIST PROMISED ME MY RETIREMENT!
1708025;1504226177;asciilifeform;complain to max planck!1!
1708026;1504226206;asciilifeform;or to gauss, whose 'god created ints, all else work of man'
1708027;1504226234;mircea_popescu;this is racist.
1708028;1504226238;asciilifeform;very.
1708029;1504226306;*;asciilifeform brb, playing w/ pet
1708030;1504226308;mircea_popescu;i read once on a blogpost by legere-x (the world's first drop-out with a certificate) that you can divide things whenever you need to.
1708031;1504226320;mircea_popescu;I MUST BE INDEMNIFIED FOR MY DETRIMENTAL RELIANCE ON THIS!
1708032;1504226464;mircea_popescu;tell some rando dunning-kugerand that he's intellectually unqualified to do what he thinks he's doing, he'll count himself insulted.
1708033;1504226473;mircea_popescu;the part where he ACTUALLY isn't so qualified not a problem.
1708034;1504226747;kanzure;uhuh.
1708035;1504226756;mircea_popescu;yes, you can tell whoever penned that i said so.
1708036;1504226793;kanzure;that you said what?
1708037;1504226807;mircea_popescu;can't build fucking "intellectual leadership" out of lazy rewrites out of the slime that comes out of tardstalk/reddit when squeezed.
1708038;1504226827;mircea_popescu;kanzure that he's not qualified to do things with his head, look for a plumber job.
1708039;1504226837;kanzure;can you make a more specific complaint
1708040;1504226858;kanzure;all answers must be submitted in the form of questions, thanks.
1708041;1504226872;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706243
1708042;1504226872;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 05:59 mircea_popescu: kanzure http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers.
1708043;1504226893;mircea_popescu;for some reason i thought this is self-evident.
1708044;1504226894;kanzure;you think i have not implemented sats?
1708045;1504226904;mircea_popescu;i didn't expect YOU wrote the pos in question.
1708046;1504226919;kanzure;definitely not me
1708047;1504226923;mircea_popescu;but some random weasel who couldn't, on his own salt, as much as turn on the machine.
1708048;1504226936;mircea_popescu;and who somehow expects nevertheless he;s better than the 80bux a trick costa rican whores./
1708049;1504226951;kanzure;i've never asked as much; is that important?
1708050;1504226966;*;mircea_popescu doesn't have it in for mediocre engineers as he has it for the medicore management.
1708051;1504226984;kanzure;let me know when you're done admiring mediocrity
1708052;1504226991;mircea_popescu;partly because there is no such thing as mediocre management.
1708053;1504227463;shinohai;I like hoe kanzure rhymes with `Cancer` .... If trinque agrees it will make my week.
1708054;1504227793;trinque;eh, kinda curious if the forum can digest the glib outer layer, see what's underneath.
1708055;1504227827;mircea_popescu;wait, what's that all about ?
1708056;1504227837;trinque;ask shinohai
1708057;1504227852;mircea_popescu;ok ?
1708058;1504227904;trinque;there's some bandwagon I'm not on.
1708059;1504227923;shinohai;>.>
1708060;1504227925;shinohai;<.<
1708061;1504227930;mircea_popescu;i've the same sentiment
1708062;1504228092;shinohai;i am dissapoint
1708063;1504228116;mircea_popescu;wut are you talking about!
1708064;1504228194;shinohai;Absolutely nothing ..... carry on
1708065;1504228752;*;mircea_popescu regrets he omitted pointing out  http://trilema.com/2016/the-%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%81-bdsm-party/#footnote_0_68337 to r0nin fellow in regards to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702172
1708066;1504228752;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 17:47 r0nin-: Rome is on the map becuase of caraceni
1708067;1504228758;mircea_popescu;trilema is getting too damn big for me.
1708068;1504229815;BingoBoingo;!~later tell fyr Go Fuck Yourself!
1708069;1504229815;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1708070;1504229876;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707526 << Gotta start fixing this again
1708071;1504229876;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 18:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707421 the word apparently spread that while just as scary as ever, we don't actually bite.
1708072;1504229878;asciilifeform;wai so much emotion, BingoBoingo
1708073;1504229990;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: because why the fuck is the KKKalifornian orchard of Fago-Tree dumping all of it's refuse here all of a sudden and shitting up the logs.
1708074;1504230108;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708047 << i still get the ( perhaps mistaken? but not baseless! ) impression that kanzure ultimately assigns more weight to this selfsame weasel than to, e.g., mircea_popescu , on account of weasel having been anointed by, e.g., a.horowitz, and the latter still occupying the legitimacy-throneroom of his mind ( next to 'science', 'nature', warmism )
1708075;1504230108;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 00:48 mircea_popescu: but some random weasel who couldn't, on his own salt, as much as turn on the machine.
1708076;1504230126;mircea_popescu;that'd be his problem neh ?
1708077;1504230130;asciilifeform;would.
1708078;1504230142;asciilifeform;if indeed it is tru
1708079;1504230154;mircea_popescu;actually whether true or false.
1708080;1504230189;asciilifeform;if false, it's nobody's problem, neh
1708081;1504230214;mircea_popescu;he could believe orcas fly through the (1900s version of) ethereum at the behest of a burning goat's skull ; for as long as this strange array of notions doesn't get in the way of his daily life it's called subclinical.
1708082;1504230246;kanzure;nah i strictly hold myself in higher regard than mircea_popescu  no worries there.
1708083;1504230248;asciilifeform;by this formula, warmism is sub clinical in ~all cases
1708084;1504230260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and many of the pantsuit other notions!
1708085;1504230287;mircea_popescu;kinda the signature of that particular churchlet, they have a list of beliefs that are mostly chosen for being dull.
1708086;1504230301;mircea_popescu;as in, no points of edges, nothing where they may end up caught by.
1708087;1504230316;mircea_popescu;points or edges*
1708088;1504230332;asciilifeform;this was typical of (late) christianity likewise tho
1708089;1504230354;mircea_popescu;the two aren't even that distinguishable. as per discussion re progressivism of fundamental xtians etc.
1708090;1504230361;asciilifeform;aha!
1708091;1504230389;asciilifeform;and both will reliably 'trust in allah, but tie the camel' , and even buy oceanfront properties
1708092;1504230427;mircea_popescu;as phf points out, a noisy engine that still runs nevertheless is still running.
1708093;1504230460;asciilifeform;some engines produce ~nothing but the clatter tho
1708094;1504230471;mircea_popescu;in the exact same vein : prostate cancer is common in older men, and also very little concern. it is so slow that the odds of anyone dying from it are negligible.
1708095;1504230502;mircea_popescu;some doctors are hypocratic enough to point this out to the patients ; others want the insurance coupons. but anyway.
1708096;1504230547;asciilifeform;there is indeed a world of new hurts waiting to be uncovered by the hurrdurrlifextension folx
1708097;1504230606;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the deahtspital would be a very useful addition to the clinical system. open for ppl over 60, they give you a list of things. "hello mr smith. you're 68, and we can tell you that your kidneys will kill you in a decade, except your heart will get you before you're 75, and then there's this patch of skin cancer that needs like 20 years at your age. stay out of car crashes and sudden falls."
1708098;1504230641;asciilifeform;we have this in usa
1708099;1504230646;mircea_popescu;a ? pretty cool.
1708100;1504230657;asciilifeform;with twist that d00d dun normally get to see the output
1708101;1504230662;mircea_popescu;pshaw.
1708102;1504230663;asciilifeform;insurance co internal
1708103;1504230675;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with the us srsly now. who the fuck even cares other than the patient.
1708104;1504230686;asciilifeform;usg, who.
1708105;1504230700;mircea_popescu;"we aim to build a government out of trying to withhold all information from all those it is of any interest. WONT WE BE IMPORTANT THEN!"
1708106;1504230709;asciilifeform;aha, it
1708107;1504230712;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1708108;1504230835;asciilifeform;upstack to 'subclinical' : for everyday d00dz, subclinical disease is a theoretical matter. but for one who fancies himself an athlete -- matters
1708109;1504230856;asciilifeform;palpitations? no olympics for you , no army spec ops
1708110;1504230863;asciilifeform;ditto for diseases of thought
1708111;1504230865;mircea_popescu;notreally. in fact, for meathead subclinical neurosis is a disease of least concern.
1708112;1504230869;mircea_popescu;he runs, or punches or whatever.
1708113;1504230879;asciilifeform;warmist ? stop pretending to 'intellectual'
1708114;1504230895;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: depends which disease.
1708115;1504230924;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only in a view where matters of strategy are open to engineers. this is eminently not how the fiat farms are run.
1708116;1504230936;asciilifeform;aside even from strategy.
1708117;1504230937;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jKlJ9/?raw=true
1708118;1504230941;asciilifeform;plain engineering.
1708119;1504230969;mircea_popescu;i dunno you need finely tuned, functional antennas to copy/paste github into "your" project.
1708120;1504231001;asciilifeform;that ain't engineering, that'd be the warmist's simulacrum thereof
1708121;1504231014;mircea_popescu;kinda how fiat shops are run irl.
1708122;1504231025;asciilifeform;which is why you indeed see all the maculae of 1, where the other is
1708123;1504231026;mircea_popescu;that and kubinetes. ask teh people who actually live in the west.
1708124;1504231036;mircea_popescu;TECHNOLOGEE COMES FROM TEH WESTS\
1708125;1504231045;asciilifeform;hawaii!
1708126;1504231052;mircea_popescu;pinoyi!
1708127;1504231059;asciilifeform;verily.
1708128;1504231102;mircea_popescu;i hope people of the future will come to the conclusion al-warmist was a sort of you know, al-gore from which algorithm was derived ; or al-kenny.
1708129;1504231130;mircea_popescu;(omg they kilkenny!)
1708130;1504231141;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/qntra-s-qntr-august-2017-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2017 Report
1708131;1504231169;mircea_popescu;this, btw, is just about how archeology/history works. "southpark was an irish village in the 2nd millenium period."
1708132;1504231194;asciilifeform;'hitler, great chief of the hittites'
1708133;1504231285;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/istanbul-6.jpg
1708134;1504231322;*;asciilifeform recalls
1708135;1504231356;*;asciilifeform peeks into hplusetc l0gz, finds steaming pile of fresh ethertardium
1708136;1504231362;deedbot;accepted: 1
1708137;1504231373;mircea_popescu;eh, why not. "it's more affordable"
1708138;1504231393;asciilifeform;'funding the evolution of blockchains' didjaknow.
1708139;1504231406;mircea_popescu;where's my jew wave unicode.
1708140;1504231560;asciilifeform;they've got a... pediwikibot, even
1708141;1504231570;asciilifeform;instead of log search.
1708142;1504231660;asciilifeform;tru font of all knowledge, must be!1!!
1708143;1504231727;asciilifeform;wherever the cows bray, is not the tru temple of pantsuit, cows are mindless. but these folx, these ~chose~ the pantsuit..
1708144;1504231850;mircea_popescu;the realisation that wikipedia makes one stupid isn't all that common.
1708145;1504231890;asciilifeform;there are yet degrees of wikirasty. and what i see there, gotta be the final degree.
1708146;1504231930;asciilifeform;when it is not merely a place to look up a physical constant when lazy, but ~more important than own logz~
1708147;1504232079;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it's just a standard in whatever python bot. iirc we even had it in bitcoin-otc
1708148;1504232094;asciilifeform;could be.
1708149;1504232123;mircea_popescu;they're very inept, in any practical sense, can't actually DO anything, as much as a de-pdf-er or whatever. logs can't live on www because among all the transhumans there isn't a single one who CAN do this.
1708150;1504232133;mircea_popescu;all of them think they COULD, of course, but these are very different items.
1708151;1504232213;asciilifeform;by all indications, this is so: much discussion of, e.g., ion beams, vacuum trap oil, sputtering chambers, etc trappings of work -- but ~no pics...
1708152;1504232228;asciilifeform;and no -- as far as i can tell - RESULTS
1708153;1504232278;asciilifeform;kanzure: wouldja deign to link us to a... result??
1708154;1504232291;asciilifeform;( and if it only lives in pdf, it ain't a result )
1708155;1504232336;asciilifeform;so far all i found was that ( respectable, imho ) hexapod d00d
1708156;1504232375;asciilifeform;i bet he'd take an interest in the waveguide trunkmotor. if he had the sense to show up here.
1708157;1504232412;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform actually got to it by way of hexapod... )
1708158;1504233379;asciilifeform;them heathenz are in ~exactly~ same place today as in '08 -- with possible exception of having moar bitcoin, which -- by misfortunate happenstance -- they have not yet been fully pirate40'd and gox'd out of.
1708159;1504233590;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706699 << see also .
1708160;1504233590;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 21:57 mircea_popescu: the only reasonable move for safeguarding earth's future, is to keep you lot as far as feasible from any buttons that are connected to anything.
1708161;1504234136;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/99EE221BBC3725AD9EC94308C359618811D3EC95DB746644F229A8F8D534CBE8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1121...7333 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.245 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1708162;1504234136;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/99EE221BBC3725AD9EC94308C359618811D3EC95DB746644F229A8F8D534CBE8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9038...2197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.245 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1708163;1504234136;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7AABB0CDA92BA763BD7FE86AEF335BA12BB963E9FB107A55B7FF1F9861DCA4A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9038...2197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.12.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.12.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1708164;1504234136;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/84347FC99DED155AFCA3207577329B75082369367C83A69CF46F3989FF82D820 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9038...2197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.17 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1708165;1504234137;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7AABB0CDA92BA763BD7FE86AEF335BA12BB963E9FB107A55B7FF1F9861DCA4A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1141...8457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.12.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.12.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1708166;1504234137;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/84347FC99DED155AFCA3207577329B75082369367C83A69CF46F3989FF82D820 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1141...8457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.17 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1708167;1504234137;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C5D83CFD31B574A0F4C50932482D217217392480E33553A633B4024D4C07D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1679...3617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.86.145.56 (ssh-rsa key from 80.86.145.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT TV 34)
1708168;1504234138;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C5D83CFD31B574A0F4C50932482D217217392480E33553A633B4024D4C07D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1393...9369 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.86.145.56 (ssh-rsa key from 80.86.145.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT TV 34)
1708169;1504234144;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey, lbj!
1708170;1504234154;asciilifeform;how many californifucks have you killed today!
1708171;1504234267;asciilifeform;http://www.esseci.tv << webcam of some nowhere town
1708172;1504234318;kanzure;on a totally unrelated note i promise, what exactly is your progress towards nuking california
1708173;1504234341;asciilifeform;why is this asciilifeform's job ?
1708174;1504234373;kanzure;seems to be one of your goals
1708175;1504234407;asciilifeform;i dun expect to live to even see a good plague.
1708176;1504234419;kanzure;perhaps if you tried harder
1708177;1504234441;asciilifeform;ain't that kanzure's dept.?
1708178;1504234496;kanzure;wasn't it your opinion that such tasks should not be left to children? you guys are so full of shit.
1708179;1504234586;asciilifeform;says the bright young fella who after $millions of payola (i'ma carry on supposing that it was from judasing for usg, esr-style, unless proven otherwise) and decade+ , produced: ___?___
1708180;1504234753;mircea_popescu;so far nuking mexico and italy it seems
1708181;1504234794;asciilifeform;'we aim for stars, but sometimes hit london'(tm)(r)
1708182;1504234843;asciilifeform;!$ssh 80.86.145.56
1708183;1504234843;scriba;ssh banner of 80.86.145.56 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.9p1 Debian-4
1708184;1504234847;asciilifeform;aw snoar.
1708185;1504234854;mircea_popescu;kanzure dja understand why native african can't respond to 1860s brit wondering how the fuck they failed to colonize madagascar with "oh yeah ? where's your airplanes then! you seem to want airplanes!"
1708186;1504234929;mircea_popescu;you know as well as i do that the reason your log lives on .log files is because all of you lot think you could, but none of you lot actually can make a sane log. that's what the random package a low effort search returned does, and that is what you get. same is true of all other items, either you found it at the walmart in the "diy" section or you don't have it.
1708187;1504234962;kanzure;yuep that's what we spent $27 million on. browsing walmart. k
1708188;1504234971;mircea_popescu;this is a fundamental problem, and a major irritant to asciilifeform ; he is allergic to "i'm not a hooker, i'm a priss dressed provocatively trying to crowd out the real hookers"
1708189;1504234990;mircea_popescu;kanzure are we discussing teh #transhuman thing ?
1708190;1504234998;kanzure;yes?
1708191;1504235017;mircea_popescu;well... what DID you spend 27mn on ?
1708192;1504235078;kanzure;we didn't. it's all false. totally no results though.
1708193;1504235099;mircea_popescu;...
1708194;1504235101;kanzure;your expertise truly saw everything, as expected for such an illustrious maggot
1708195;1504235108;kanzure;er, spelling
1708196;1504235120;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708073 << and here I went all wait and see, lol!
1708197;1504235120;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 01:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: because why the fuck is the KKKalifornian orchard of Fago-Tree dumping all of it's refuse here all of a sudden and shitting up the logs.
1708198;1504235121;mircea_popescu;i saw what i saw. you're more than welcome to fill in the gaps, what'd i miss ?
1708199;1504235199;kanzure;dunno. wait for catalog day.
1708200;1504235210;mircea_popescu;the other guy spending a grand total of $1400 has a lengthy report about it, somehow i missed the corresponding link in this 27mn venture.
1708201;1504235240;mircea_popescu;and in other greens, is this a kardashian ? http://68.media.tumblr.com/2df1e5de773f3af5899d2751f7269db3/tumblr_nu9ppfzmRK1ryxzr3o1_1280.jpg
1708202;1504235342;mircea_popescu;kanzure dja have any idea how dumb you look going in with an attempt to impress by EXPENDITURE, and then on the flimsiest of examination appearing unable to explain WHAT you bought ? tell you what, the usg you seem so keen to emulate spent a trillion and similary "wait for plane catalog day". or alternatively, has some littoral cardboard models that can't float.
1708203;1504235343;kanzure;like i said, no 27.
1708204;1504235351;mircea_popescu;terrible way to go about it, really now.
1708205;1504235370;kanzure;how did we get to this re: nuking california?
1708206;1504235402;mircea_popescu;the correct approach is, "see this great car ? and i only paid 50 bux for it". certainly not "oh, i spend 5 mn on cars and uhm, disregard the donkey"
1708207;1504235428;kanzure;would you have laughed more if i had said $270 million?
1708208;1504235438;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1708209;1504235672;mircea_popescu;this makes me wanna compute how much i paid for tits in current fiats.
1708210;1504235717;mircea_popescu;likely  more than the mcclim project budget.
1708211;1504235730;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-482911.txt
1708212;1504236277;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708137 << Until they try to run a node... Syncing TRB far less painful that keeping up with Ethereum...
1708213;1504236277;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 02:02 mircea_popescu: eh, why not. "it's more affordable"
1708214;1504236305;mircea_popescu;you don't need to run a node or do anything to be an ethertard. posting on wikireddit suffices.
1708215;1504236310;mircea_popescu;or you know, FEELING AS IF YOU HAD
1708216;1504236591;*;BingoBoingo forgets how many terabytes etherspam chain was up to a couple months ago
1708217;1504236686;mircea_popescu;anything you want (tm)
1708218;1504236686;*;BingoBoingo supposes it is near the time biting becomes fashionable again
1708219;1504236693;mircea_popescu;not like anyone can (or has) verified it.
1708220;1504236841;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu looks well on his way to getting solar-shaded and crispr-patched for 3 extra pairs of chitinous wings -- or what is it that happens to folx who piss off The Greats Of Her Demoocracy
1708221;1504236858;mircea_popescu;o is it ?
1708222;1504236893;*;mircea_popescu doubts the google ai can actually find costa rica. reals you see, errors compound, place is small.
1708223;1504236903;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is that what hpluschannel is talking about?
1708224;1504236905;asciilifeform;dunno, i haven't been keeping up on plos & 'nature'; perhaps gotta take moar dope so as to read 400 moar pdf's/diem
1708225;1504236911;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see for yourself
1708226;1504236954;mircea_popescu;really, "mp in danger of being extradited" already ? truly burning the years, these folks, since extracting head out of ass and self from under rock managed to get all the way to like 2013 ?
1708227;1504236956;mircea_popescu;IN ONE DAY!
1708228;1504236980;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Was reading. Stopped because WTF. crispr patching, BEFORE maxing out self stats with off the shelf chems
1708229;1504236988;*;asciilifeform pictures when they 'extradited' asciilifeform , ended up dividing by 0 since he already lives in thebigzone
1708230;1504237081;BingoBoingo;Anyways, since DIYbio became a fad on Monday: How many inches did everyone here add to their dicks?
1708231;1504237123;asciilifeform;tru meathacker reasoneth not in inches; adds metres
1708232;1504237158;BingoBoingo;Nah, go for bigger number
1708233;1504237167;mircea_popescu;yeah totally, my dick is now best approximated by a high cocktose corn stalk, 8 meters long an' there's twelve different ears the hos can fuck themselves silly with on its generous girthy length
1708234;1504237177;BingoBoingo;No reason for big unit if small number
1708235;1504237251;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> yeah totally, my dick is now best approximated by a high cocktose corn stalk, 8 meters long an' there's twelve different ears the hos can fuck themselves silly with on its generous girthy length << If we made a mold and cast this in sillycone, this might sell
1708236;1504237275;mircea_popescu;i want to first add wheels on the other end.
1708237;1504237284;mircea_popescu;before release.
1708238;1504237320;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708199 << i'ma read this catalogue ! but if it ain't posted before the leaves fall in benighted shitmordor , back to -1 quisling inquire within
1708239;1504237320;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 03:06 kanzure: dunno. wait for catalog day.
1708240;1504237357;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've already got leaves falling in my yard (sycamore tree so early)
1708241;1504237374;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: incidentally so do i, but that's because i have a tree that connected itself to the mains
1708242;1504237383;BingoBoingo;lol
1708243;1504237390;asciilifeform;leprosied all summer long
1708244;1504237401;BingoBoingo;How many amps does tree eat?
1708245;1504237411;asciilifeform;at one time, enough to blow the pole transformer
1708246;1504237417;asciilifeform;but oddly enough city refused to cut
1708247;1504237430;asciilifeform;'we'll trim the branch, for nao'
1708248;1504237475;asciilifeform;it's upstream of my meter, and off my parcel, so i have nuffin.
1708249;1504237544;BingoBoingo;Eh, Thor will trim his chosen tree again
1708250;1504237618;mircea_popescu;off to work on the cocktrough. laters.
1708251;1504237646;*;asciilifeform also bbl
1708252;1504237736;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1708253;1504237748;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4749.91, vol: 9552.63956983 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4741.1, vol: 18988.22711177 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4756.68, vol: 4264.21363502 | Volume-weighted last average: 4745.69060614
1708254;1504238132;BingoBoingo;!!up AlfredAlfer
1708255;1504238132;deedbot;AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
1708256;1504238147;BingoBoingo;AlfredAlfer: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1708257;1504238167;AlfredAlfer;F
1708258;1504238179;BingoBoingo;?
1708259;1504238189;AlfredAlfer;Hello
1708260;1504238204;BingoBoingo;Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1708261;1504238251;AlfredAlfer;I don't know
1708262;1504238270;AlfredAlfer;Who is yours
1708263;1504238291;BingoBoingo;!!down AlfredAlfer
1708264;1504238485;danielpbarron;!!up AlfredAlfer
1708265;1504238485;deedbot;AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
1708266;1504238491;AlfredAlfer;https://www.bitchute.com/video/YCbQhfPrajo4/
1708267;1504238511;danielpbarron;hi, Emily?
1708268;1504238762;AlfredAlfer;yeh
1708269;1504238783;danielpbarron;cool
1708270;1504238808;AlfredAlfer;How are you this fine evening
1708271;1504238944;danielpbarron;tired but otherwise well
1708272;1504239002;danielpbarron;how have you been taking the twitter ban
1708273;1504239012;AlfredAlfer;oh better than ever
1708274;1504239025;AlfredAlfer;I'm glad I'm free of the ironybros
1708275;1504239043;AlfredAlfer;nice to be on Gab
1708276;1504239054;danielpbarron;what is gab?
1708277;1504239068;AlfredAlfer;fwaa it's the free speech twitter. You can say whatever you want and they won't ban you.
1708278;1504239082;AlfredAlfer;https://gab.ai/realemilyyoucis
1708279;1504239114;danielpbarron;ya but i mostly use twitter to troll the people who would never use a gab
1708280;1504239133;danielpbarron;otherwise i blog on my own site
1708281;1504239204;*;BingoBoingo thought nick was a joke on alfname
1708282;1504239262;AlfredAlfer;twitter was fun while it lasted but gab weeds out the bullshit
1708283;1504239271;AlfredAlfer;you can't even really troll anyone without getting banned
1708284;1504239275;AlfredAlfer;for me what did me in was a fat joke
1708285;1504239319;danielpbarron;a very funny joke at that. great way to go out
1708286;1504239368;BingoBoingo;Eh, the best fat jokes are the fats themselves. Hamplanets thinking they are people. Oink Oink motherfuckers
1708287;1504239566;BingoBoingo;Here's another fat joke:  acanthosis nigricans
1708288;1504239615;danielpbarron;AlfredAlfer, if you were to host your own blog, your banworthy stuff can get posted by other people who read it, and on whichever social media is fashionable at the time
1708289;1504239659;AlfredAlfer;well they still could shut down my blog. They're making big leap now. It all started with Anglin's fat joke
1708290;1504239683;danielpbarron;shut diwn how?
1708291;1504239685;AlfredAlfer;The end of net neutrality is here and they're doing it all under the guise of 'stopping white supremacy'
1708292;1504239697;AlfredAlfer;they're sneaking it up under us because of Anglin's fat joke
1708293;1504239704;AlfredAlfer;first the Daily stormer, then the rest.
1708294;1504239723;danielpbarron;if they could shut sites down, there wouldn't be a trilema
1708295;1504239725;BingoBoingo;Eh, they are going to fail BECAUSE of white supremacy
1708296;1504239738;AlfredAlfer;You don't know how they're forcing the DS to literally be wiped off the face of the internet? They've gone to several domains, all have been shut down. Even tor is blocking their traffec
1708297;1504239751;AlfredAlfer;they should be doing these kinds of measures to pedophiles
1708298;1504239759;danielpbarron;tor is a USG honeypot
1708299;1504239819;danielpbarron;!#s tor
1708300;1504239820;a111;1060 results for "tor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tor
1708301;1504239851;AlfredAlfer;has trilema reached their radar?
1708302;1504239858;AlfredAlfer;Trilema's decentralized though, right?
1708303;1504239901;danielpbarron;i don't know mircea_popescu's hosting arrangement
1708304;1504239990;danielpbarron;if you mean the blog that is. this channel is just a freenode channel. but we could make our own irc server if they ever bothered to knock this one off
1708305;1504240000;trinque;ohey, little bit of racis to balance out the calitard today?
1708306;1504240023;trinque;welcome AlfredAlfer
1708307;1504240067;danielpbarron;oh, do you have a RSA key, AlfredAlfer ? pgp/gpg
1708308;1504240118;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670623
1708309;1504240118;a111;Logged on 2017-06-15 01:40 asciilifeform: but now for something compleeetli different!! >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp6ePKe6iI >> greatest imho , i shit thee not, cinematic masterpiece of our time...
1708310;1504240124;BingoBoingo;AlfredAlfer: Register a key. I'll rate you so you can get on our better internet. Thank you for not being another KKKalifornian
1708311;1504240172;danielpbarron;ahh ty trinque ! i had the hardest time finding that line
1708312;1504240244;asciilifeform;i will also rate.
1708313;1504240304;asciilifeform;!!up AlfredAlfer
1708314;1504240305;deedbot;AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
1708315;1504240376;trinque;while I'm fishing out links
1708316;1504240396;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708301 << >> http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/
1708317;1504240396;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 04:24 AlfredAlfer: has trilema reached their radar?
1708318;1504240454;AlfredAlfer;no I don't have an RSA key. What is it?
1708319;1504240493;asciilifeform;trinque: where's the trilema where he promised to lingchi usg operatives on camera if catches one ?
1708320;1504240544;AlfredAlfer;Oh thank you for posting my cartoon, +a111
1708321;1504240560;trinque;that's actually a bot reciting a link to the logs
1708322;1504240561;danielpbarron;AlfredAlfer, it's kinda like a bitcoin address in that it has a private/public key, and we use it to send secret messages and identify ourselves
1708323;1504240561;AlfredAlfer;I'm glad you like it : )
1708324;1504240563;asciilifeform;AlfredAlfer: a111 is a robot
1708325;1504240593;AlfredAlfer;fff
1708326;1504240609;AlfredAlfer;forgive me
1708327;1504240616;AlfredAlfer;lol
1708328;1504240617;asciilifeform;AlfredAlfer: observe, when and why it speaks
1708329;1504240644;AlfredAlfer;ok
1708330;1504240707;asciilifeform;AlfredAlfer: rsa is the weapon against which, when used correctly, they've no defense.
1708331;1504240764;AlfredAlfer;Cool so they can't take it down no matter what? It can be the new free internet?
1708332;1504240778;asciilifeform;the buggers spent moar on preventing you knowing about it, or how to use, than on battleships.
1708333;1504240807;AlfredAlfer;holy shite
1708334;1504240816;AlfredAlfer;that's lovely to hear. Very comforting.
1708335;1504240840;AlfredAlfer;Yes, we need to forge a new Wild Wild West of internet. The old one is used and bugged and fucked worse than an old whore.
1708336;1504240849;asciilifeform;AlfredAlfer: be sure to come back when mircea_popescu wakes up.
1708337;1504240874;AlfredAlfer;heehee wut's his time zone?
1708338;1504240884;asciilifeform;mars, approx.
1708339;1504240898;AlfredAlfer;lolol
1708340;1504240916;asciilifeform;srsly he has no fixed time. ( just as i do not )
1708341;1504240948;asciilifeform;stay around for a day or so and you'll meet.
1708342;1504240959;AlfredAlfer;yea that's galaxy brain operation
1708343;1504240988;AlfredAlfer;okey
1708344;1504241030;*;asciilifeform bbl
1708345;1504241055;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708277 << right solution to this is called gossipd, one of the items in the works.
1708346;1504241055;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 04:11 AlfredAlfer: fwaa it's the free speech twitter. You can say whatever you want and they won't ban you.
1708347;1504241071;trinque;!#s gossipd
1708348;1504241072;a111;706 results for "gossipd", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gossipd
1708349;1504241157;trinque;there's a very long, ongoing thread on its specific design, but it builds upon the RSA cryptography asciilifeform mentioned.
1708350;1504241164;AlfredAlfer;ahh yes gossipd
1708351;1504241197;AlfredAlfer;so no matter what, people can gather and message there? Is it encrypted enough that google and shit can't read it? Or is it all public?
1708352;1504241247;trinque;it is designed to not be a specific "there" at all, to any particular, singular public. information is routed along your trusted relationships, and is as good as your connections. like life.
1708353;1504241270;trinque;easier to understand if one first understands the web of trust
1708354;1504241409;asciilifeform;AlfredAlfer: consider how the proverbial 'terrorist cell' works.
1708355;1504241420;trinque;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
1708356;1504241428;trinque;^ obviously this is mircea_popescu's blog, not mine.
1708357;1504241450;AlfredAlfer;Ah I see thank you for the article
1708358;1504241453;asciilifeform;no cell knows about any others but its immediate neighbors.
1708359;1504241472;AlfredAlfer;mmhmm
1708360;1504241747;asciilifeform;AlfredAlfer: so let's say you want to read , e.g., der sturmer. your let a friend's box know. the friend's -- yet again same, asks others. then ds box eventually reached, and passes text back up the chain to you.
1708361;1504241759;asciilifeform;this is a gross oversimplification but must suffice for now.
1708362;1504241870;asciilifeform;rsa is the insecticide against snoops on the wires, and likewise against enemy agents monkeying with the messages en route or impersonating source.
1708363;1504241894;trinque;pulling from the other end, ds et al are using the technology a bunch of califag pantsuits made, and expecting it to work for other than pantsuit.
1708364;1504241962;AlfredAlfer;Ah I see it's like a very direct transfer.. like a hall of mirrors
1708365;1504241971;AlfredAlfer;hahhaha
1708366;1504241981;AlfredAlfer;yes I must let them know there are other ways
1708367;1504242035;AlfredAlfer;That's very excellent
1708368;1504242058;AlfredAlfer;so they can try and try to cut them off, cut transfers, block traffic, but it's impossible
1708369;1504242096;asciilifeform;brief likbez re tor : http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/
1708370;1504242119;asciilifeform;!!up AlfredAlfer
1708371;1504242120;deedbot;AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
1708372;1504242151;asciilifeform;i'ma bbl. stay tuned, AlfredAlfer .
1708373;1504242175;AlfredAlfer;ookey
1708374;1504242206;trinque;who had an intro to gpg
1708375;1504242208;trinque;danielpbarron: ?
1708376;1504242239;danielpbarron;i think it was on the old wiki
1708377;1504242254;trinque;looks like eulora dox are pretty good on the subj
1708378;1504242303;danielpbarron;http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup
1708379;1504242306;trinque;AlfredAlfer: there is a voice mechanism here run by my trusty deedbot.
1708380;1504242342;AlfredAlfer;whah like you can speak?
1708381;1504242354;trinque;yep, you saw folks using !!up to grant you voice
1708382;1504242364;trinque;if you are registered and rated, you'll be able to self-voice
1708383;1504242418;AlfredAlfer;hahahah, that's the most complicated account setup I've ever seen ; )
1708384;1504242441;AlfredAlfer;Will be well worth it once the big crackdown really happens
1708385;1504242464;trinque;takes some diligence to have a name that's yours, rather than one some twatter can steal.
1708386;1504242471;AlfredAlfer;It will probably take me a day to fully absorb it
1708387;1504242473;trinque;but, worth immensely more
1708388;1504242505;AlfredAlfer;I have a bitcoin guy I talk to often who will help me understand it.
1708389;1504242527;AlfredAlfer;i'll just use my real name I guess
1708390;1504242560;AlfredAlfer;still, *they* will be able to incriminate us for anything we've ever said one day
1708391;1504242608;AlfredAlfer;say you're completely anonymous, don't use your real name, like I assume all you guys do.. is it easy for them to tie what you've said onto your actual person?
1708392;1504242656;danielpbarron;depends how you do it
1708393;1504242707;danielpbarron;but most things aren't worth saying anonymously
1708394;1504242708;trinque;http://deedbot.org/bundle-382703.txt << yes
1708395;1504242729;trinque;^ mircea_popescu wrote this. I and most (all?) others here worth a damn signed in blood.
1708396;1504242818;trinque;specifically, signed with our cryptographic keys.
1708397;1504242837;AlfredAlfer;wow
1708398;1504242845;mircea_popescu;heh now we got an alf and an' alfalfer ?
1708399;1504242895;AlfredAlfer;lol yes I suppose so
1708400;1504242991;AlfredAlfer;Hello, it is very nice to meet you +mircea_popescu
1708401;1504243001;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer so are you http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/EmilyYoucis is the idea ?
1708402;1504243012;AlfredAlfer;huehue
1708403;1504243041;AlfredAlfer;myep. It's an old article tho
1708404;1504243062;mircea_popescu;anyway, as to the direct concern -- it is actually impossible to take down sites, as far as the empire of stupid is concerned.
1708405;1504243119;mircea_popescu;the examples you give are remarkably poorly managed. specifically re dailystormer, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706830
1708406;1504243119;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 23:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706799 << or anywhere else. it's purely dead.
1708407;1504243151;mircea_popescu;they have nfi what they're doing, and so no, it doesn't take much to take them offline.
1708408;1504243160;AlfredAlfer;oh shite
1708409;1504243166;AlfredAlfer;Weev runs pretty much the whole thing
1708410;1504243191;mircea_popescu;now, on to more interesting matters, are you going to do a crazy republican cartoon series ?
1708411;1504243196;AlfredAlfer;are you saying if I can relay him some tips he'd have an easier time keeping it up?
1708412;1504243206;AlfredAlfer;Well I'm working on a new toon now, a commission actually
1708413;1504243212;AlfredAlfer;being paid in BTC
1708414;1504243225;mircea_popescu;nice.
1708415;1504243235;mircea_popescu;where do you publish shit, outside of the walled gardens i mean ?
1708416;1504243245;mircea_popescu;hola cazalla
1708417;1504243257;AlfredAlfer;I've been traveling the globe ever since I got uprooted and haven't done a solid animation since the Ascent of Alfred
1708418;1504243263;AlfredAlfer;but I'm settled now
1708419;1504243286;AlfredAlfer;Usually youtube, the basic shit. Though I just got a bitchute today since my yt is going to be removed shortly
1708420;1504243296;cazalla;mircea_popescu, heya
1708421;1504243302;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer well not getting shitty vps'en on obscure shithosts would help ; also not getting them one at a time ; and also not using fucking domain names. behold : http://91.218.246.33/
1708422;1504243304;cazalla;BingoBoingo, np re: email
1708423;1504243311;cazalla;AlfredAlfer, finally in the right place eh?
1708424;1504243313;mircea_popescu;the fact that works and his shit didn't already is an indication of incompetence.
1708425;1504243340;AlfredAlfer;Ooshh
1708426;1504243363;AlfredAlfer;Weev works tirelessly, but I suppose he has no idea about the tricks available.
1708427;1504243370;AlfredAlfer;I was hanging out with him recently
1708428;1504243390;mircea_popescu;http://91.218.246.33/2017/beating-that-spark-of-heaven/ << and i don't mean just the root, either.
1708429;1504243397;AlfredAlfer;If it's a numerical domain like the one you posted, can the masses still find it, though?
1708430;1504243404;mircea_popescu;why not ? you found it...
1708431;1504243413;AlfredAlfer;haha
1708432;1504243435;AlfredAlfer;yea if it got around like that. A big part of the site's' success is just random passerbyers happing upon it though
1708433;1504243439;mircea_popescu;the masses ALSO can find it by editing /etc/hosts and putting whatever number they want.
1708434;1504243450;AlfredAlfer;I guess the numerical way is easier to access than having everyone download the onion tho
1708435;1504243459;mircea_popescu;like in the case yest, all they needed was local resolution and it'd have worked (which is how i got the paste of his page even when people "Couldn't reach it")
1708436;1504243473;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer absolutely lol. seeing how it's how the internet works in the first place.
1708437;1504243473;AlfredAlfer;oh shite
1708438;1504243482;AlfredAlfer;hahaa
1708439;1504243492;AlfredAlfer;Can you send the paste?
1708440;1504243514;mircea_popescu;the whole dns bullshit is just "convenience" built on top of the system, which then conveniently allows the pantsuits to play tricks like these, and idiots to believe in pantsuit power.
1708441;1504243536;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706839
1708442;1504243536;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 23:25 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WGSbc/?raw=true foir the curious.
1708443;1504243548;mircea_popescu;(all links in channel are also auto-archived, if the pastes expire)
1708444;1504243555;mircea_popescu;just look it up on archive.is
1708445;1504243585;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall that thing with the dog ?
1708446;1504243621;AlfredAlfer;I see I see.
1708447;1504243661;AlfredAlfer;yes, he needs to use a whole new set of rules
1708448;1504243673;AlfredAlfer;and the 'deleting' of the websites is just smoke and mirrors, huh?
1708449;1504243678;mircea_popescu;yes.
1708450;1504243704;mircea_popescu;works against the stupid poor and them only.
1708451;1504243721;AlfredAlfer;How many people realistically know about this system right now?
1708452;1504243731;AlfredAlfer;It's gotta be an extremely small percentage of the population, no?
1708453;1504243737;mircea_popescu;i expect, yes.
1708454;1504243744;mircea_popescu;then again, how many people know how a fridge works ?
1708455;1504243745;trinque;this isn't even the gossipd thing I brought up. it's what your computer already does.
1708456;1504243747;mircea_popescu;about same %
1708457;1504243749;AlfredAlfer;you're right
1708458;1504243767;AlfredAlfer;I guess you're then planning to make the system as common as a fridge, correct?
1708459;1504243779;trinque;tits.xxx -> dear mother government, where are the tits? -> 6.6.6.6
1708460;1504243781;mircea_popescu;it already is as common. all computers work this way, and always have.
1708461;1504243803;AlfredAlfer;ahh. So *they* are just using one outdated dinosaur form of what could be and telling us that's all there is?
1708462;1504243812;mircea_popescu;yes.
1708463;1504243847;mircea_popescu;trinque incidentally i like this one a lot better than the other one.
1708464;1504243864;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer how much does your comissioned cartoon pay btw ?
1708465;1504243866;AlfredAlfer;Yea you just gotta snazz it up a bit, add some clickbait and emoticons ; )
1708466;1504243878;AlfredAlfer;Well I use the standard animator's rate
1708467;1504243884;mircea_popescu;i dunno what that is.
1708468;1504243889;AlfredAlfer;I secured the commission back when btc was at around 1200
1708469;1504243911;AlfredAlfer;And since he's paying me in btc only, well, I'm getting a hell of a lot more than originally bargained
1708470;1504243921;mircea_popescu;so how much is that ?
1708471;1504243931;mircea_popescu;!!up AlfredAlfer
1708472;1504243932;deedbot;AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
1708473;1504243939;AlfredAlfer;Well standard animator's rates is a grand per minute of framebyframe 24 fps animation
1708474;1504243949;AlfredAlfer;It's not even that standard... that's kind of a lowball, but that's what I use
1708475;1504243958;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1000 / 24 / 60
1708476;1504243959;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1000 / 24 / 60 = 0.6944444444444444
1708477;1504243966;mircea_popescu;so 70 cents a frame ?
1708478;1504243973;AlfredAlfer;These guys getting hired by google and other shit can charge way more for crap animations lol
1708479;1504243979;AlfredAlfer;oh wow when you put it like that that kinda sucks hahaha
1708480;1504243981;mircea_popescu;are you bashful AlfredAlfer ?
1708481;1504244000;AlfredAlfer;well since I secured this one when btc was about a 4th what it is now, I'm getting a bit more than 70 cents per frame
1708482;1504244016;AlfredAlfer;yea I can be a bit bashful teehee
1708483;1504244024;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << might be worth considering.
1708484;1504244033;mircea_popescu;2 bitcents is like 90 dollars or what is it now, for a frame.
1708485;1504244045;AlfredAlfer;hahahaha
1708486;1504244059;AlfredAlfer;wow fancy that. A frame I don't even have to draw.
1708487;1504244076;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1708488;1504244087;AlfredAlfer;Sounds like a bargain. You get any takers yet?
1708489;1504244096;mircea_popescu;well see all those pics there ? lol
1708490;1504244185;AlfredAlfer;ahh those are real ones
1708491;1504244197;mircea_popescu;sure. you can even follow the log links to where they happened.
1708492;1504244209;AlfredAlfer;seem like the bargain bin runna the mill sluts
1708493;1504244213;AlfredAlfer;tho I suppose they all are
1708494;1504244243;mircea_popescu;why so negative, there's liek so's of the lordship beaming there, not to mention various other well respected ladies.
1708495;1504244257;AlfredAlfer;which ones are the pros
1708496;1504244272;mircea_popescu;that's for you to determine!
1708497;1504244279;AlfredAlfer;: 0
1708498;1504244343;mircea_popescu;your string is 59eea6eb. and smile!
1708499;1504244354;AlfredAlfer;hah LOl oh you
1708500;1504244385;AlfredAlfer;my uncensored tits shall not grace this internet so long as I shall live
1708501;1504244409;mircea_popescu;a ? up to you.
1708502;1504244409;trinque;chortle
1708503;1504244417;AlfredAlfer;Nothing personal.. If I post one tit image it will haunt me forever. There are many who are trying to obtain it
1708504;1504244428;mircea_popescu;so what ?
1708505;1504244435;cazalla;AlfredAlfer, i thought kinky cooking was your thing?
1708506;1504244446;AlfredAlfer;I see you have done your research
1708507;1504244457;mircea_popescu;i suspect the ex chief editor of qntra is a fan.
1708508;1504244462;AlfredAlfer;2009, good times
1708509;1504244504;AlfredAlfer;why do you suspect that?
1708510;1504244507;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-16#1671175 << actually lots of people are, turns out.
1708511;1504244507;a111;Logged on 2017-06-16 23:00 asciilifeform: asciilifeform notices that his desk has an uncanny resemblance to the one in 'ascension of alfred'
1708512;1504244559;AlfredAlfer;well I'm quite flattered
1708513;1504244586;cazalla;AlfredAlfer, not so much research, listened to TRS for a bit for the lulz so you obviously come up, personally i'd love to see you take up the offer and break sven's heart
1708514;1504244603;AlfredAlfer;which offer?
1708515;1504244628;cazalla;bit tips for nips as linked earlier
1708516;1504244631;AlfredAlfer;Oh yes, they wanted to have me as a regular on the Shoah but I was displaced at the moment and couldn't commit
1708517;1504244652;AlfredAlfer;ohoh. It will have to be more than 90 usd I'll tell you that
1708518;1504244666;AlfredAlfer;Why would sven give a shit tho
1708519;1504244666;mircea_popescu;why, are they very juicy ?
1708520;1504244703;AlfredAlfer;Well they say I have the best rack in the Alt Right
1708521;1504244706;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer btw, did you know it's in the constitution of the czech republic, all girls under 30 must topless on request ?
1708522;1504244722;mircea_popescu;careful lest da police gets wind of this log, they could throw you in jale!
1708523;1504244727;AlfredAlfer;slav girls are fuckin hot
1708524;1504244730;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1708525;1504244734;AlfredAlfer;Oh, how did you see my vpn?
1708526;1504244739;mircea_popescu;doh.
1708527;1504244740;AlfredAlfer;what else can you see..
1708528;1504244748;mircea_popescu;remember, this is the most serene republic, eater of worlds.
1708529;1504244806;AlfredAlfer;So when did you launch this place?
1708530;1504244826;mircea_popescu;it's been an ongoing thing since bitcoin. keeps evolving though.
1708531;1504244885;AlfredAlfer;mmm. Yes, with the combo of information and currency out of their hands, we will be unstoppable :D
1708532;1504244896;mircea_popescu;precisely.
1708533;1504244926;AlfredAlfer;But what if they destroy every physical computer in the world
1708534;1504244937;mircea_popescu;heh.
1708535;1504244940;AlfredAlfer;or like 90 percent of computers.
1708536;1504244956;mircea_popescu;they can't make a boat. let's not get ahead of ourselves.
1708537;1504244963;AlfredAlfer;hoyhoy
1708538;1504244967;AlfredAlfer;oh yea they're using baby internet
1708539;1504244981;trinque;or dreaming of SOLAR SHIELDS or w/e wank
1708540;1504244993;AlfredAlfer;haha
1708541;1504245018;AlfredAlfer;they'll physically block the sun to stop our internet, cover the earth in a reverse dyson sphere
1708542;1504245036;mircea_popescu;http://www.vocativ.com/falsestart/381059/pistachio-girl-phillies-vendor-racism/ in other lulz.
1708543;1504245040;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer what did you do anyway ?
1708544;1504245049;AlfredAlfer;went to NPI
1708545;1504245056;mircea_popescu;what's npi ?
1708546;1504245058;AlfredAlfer;and went out to interview the Antifa, just have a lil discussion
1708547;1504245067;AlfredAlfer;They ended up sending my cameraman to the hospital
1708548;1504245077;mircea_popescu;that couldn't have been in 2016 ?
1708549;1504245092;AlfredAlfer;The National Policy Institute. It's the whole richard spencer thing. Tila Tequila was there. Not the greatest optics but it was fun.
1708550;1504245097;AlfredAlfer;Twas.
1708551;1504245121;AlfredAlfer;oh yea that's one of my favorite articles LOL
1708552;1504245124;mircea_popescu;tila tequila ? was this the mexican britney spears or somesuch ?
1708553;1504245148;AlfredAlfer;((((( Robert Silverman)))) of course!
1708554;1504245153;AlfredAlfer;hahahha mexican britney spears
1708555;1504245163;trinque;antifa tried to fart around near our sam houston statue recently, bunch of folks showed up with assault rifles and they went off to shitpost elsewhere.
1708556;1504245165;AlfredAlfer;no it's the asian nazi mk ultra victim chick
1708557;1504245167;mircea_popescu;you'll have to excuse me, i have all the social media hip edge of a 90yo.
1708558;1504245184;AlfredAlfer;no worries it seems you're occupying your brain with much more important things
1708559;1504245204;AlfredAlfer;oh yes, you can shoot people in texas for defacing a statue, right? Good ol' texas.
1708560;1504245210;trinque;then we threw a hurricane to wash ourselves of their stench
1708561;1504245223;mircea_popescu;trinque you'll appreciate this : costa rica is a stronghold state.
1708562;1504245231;mircea_popescu;"priviledged self defense" they call it.
1708563;1504245233;trinque;"stand your ground" ? yeah
1708564;1504245237;AlfredAlfer;hahhaahha
1708565;1504245246;AlfredAlfer;well atleast the hurricane did one good thing
1708566;1504245257;mircea_popescu;but basically, breaking and entering ~= your life's forfeit.
1708567;1504245289;AlfredAlfer;Do you live in USA, mircea?
1708568;1504245292;trinque;can't see the sanity in anything else
1708569;1504245292;cazalla;AlfredAlfer, no-one shoots anyone, they're all a bunch of Cantwells in that they come armed to the gills but never a single shot is fired, just larping at best
1708570;1504245297;mircea_popescu;no, i live in costa rica.
1708571;1504245308;AlfredAlfer;Well cantwell never should've had the gun
1708572;1504245311;mircea_popescu;cazalla they had that guy in the tower!
1708573;1504245319;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer why, you wanna visit ?
1708574;1504245347;AlfredAlfer;But I wouldn't consider it larping. Helmets and shields are necessary when you're getting acid thrown in your eyes.
1708575;1504245358;AlfredAlfer;Well I've never been to the islands
1708576;1504245365;mircea_popescu;costa rica is... not an island.
1708577;1504245371;AlfredAlfer;whoops
1708578;1504245377;trinque;was I larping when I sent some dindus away from my door couple months ago?
1708579;1504245382;trinque;had they stepped in, yes, would've shot
1708580;1504245383;AlfredAlfer;Wait a minute.. in MY universe Costa Rica was an island
1708581;1504245387;AlfredAlfer;I want my old universe back !!!
1708582;1504245393;mircea_popescu;trinque he's just bitter cuz he didn't get to shoot anyone.
1708583;1504245398;AlfredAlfer;(ME joke)
1708584;1504245407;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer sorry, it's a little bit of central america.
1708585;1504245418;AlfredAlfer;ok well it's tropical
1708586;1504245427;AlfredAlfer;how are the bugs
1708587;1504245431;mircea_popescu;yes. fulla jungle. and in fact where the spanyards first landed.
1708588;1504245442;mircea_popescu;no relation to puerto rico, which is an island.
1708589;1504245450;AlfredAlfer;lol
1708590;1504245467;mircea_popescu;was hhhhhenifer lopez from there btw ? iirc.
1708591;1504245495;cazalla;trinque, sure, but i'm talking about the Cantwell types who go to a march, stand there while they get shit, piss and acid thrown on them but don't even fire upon them, why bother even showing up then? just to larp
1708592;1504245496;AlfredAlfer;I thought she was from the block
1708593;1504245520;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer http://trilema.com/2017/arachnofobia-inductor/ or http://trilema.com/2017/did-you-ever-claim-to-have-butterflies-in-your-stomach/ take your pick.
1708594;1504245521;AlfredAlfer;why would you fire upon someone and ruin your life forever
1708595;1504245538;mircea_popescu;so they bleed.
1708596;1504245541;AlfredAlfer;People should be able to stand places without getting piss and shit thrown on them
1708597;1504245569;trinque;well... aren't you playing "down with usg except for the bill of rights; really we just mean usg but we want christmas back"
1708598;1504245603;mircea_popescu;man those spider macros are something else.
1708599;1504245608;trinque;I cringe every time I hear the altright try to use "freedome of speech" and so on
1708600;1504245619;AlfredAlfer;I'll take the big spider over the shitmoth
1708601;1504245631;mircea_popescu;it's a butterfly. and they all do it.
1708602;1504245687;trinque;cazalla: can't argue with it; same exact notion re: raising awareness, for sure.
1708603;1504245711;mircea_popescu;oh, and of course, forgot fna! http://trilema.com/2017/the-life-and-times-of-fna/
1708604;1504245716;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer you ever seen a gekko ?
1708605;1504245737;mircea_popescu;!!up AlfredAlfer
1708606;1504245738;deedbot;AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
1708607;1504245761;AlfredAlfer;that's a swell lil guy
1708608;1504245767;AlfredAlfer;no not in real life
1708609;1504245776;mircea_popescu;they're overpoweringly cutr.
1708610;1504245778;mircea_popescu;cute*
1708611;1504245804;AlfredAlfer;you're lucky you have so many tropical friends
1708612;1504245810;mircea_popescu;it's skill.
1708613;1504245845;AlfredAlfer;OOh my clockwork orange torrent has finished downloading
1708614;1504245849;mircea_popescu;o btw, whadda ya think of my cartoon header ?
1708615;1504245855;mircea_popescu;inb4 "it sucks, too much white space"
1708616;1504245869;AlfredAlfer;Oh it's very nice. Who is the artist?
1708617;1504245882;mircea_popescu;romanian girl, linked somewhere.
1708618;1504245905;mircea_popescu;lessee
1708619;1504245957;AlfredAlfer;speaking of clockwork orange I released a new song today https://www.bitchute.com/video/YCbQhfPrajo4/
1708620;1504245988;mircea_popescu;won't play for me ;/
1708621;1504245990;AlfredAlfer;F
1708622;1504246001;mircea_popescu;say, do you do poem readings ?
1708623;1504246009;AlfredAlfer;hmm it's playing for me, others have listened
1708624;1504246040;AlfredAlfer;what do you think of bitchute? Is it impenetrable?
1708625;1504246053;mircea_popescu;well, i think it sucks, because i can't play their content.
1708626;1504246071;AlfredAlfer;why can't you?
1708627;1504246087;AlfredAlfer;you can't get to any vid or just this one?
1708628;1504246089;mircea_popescu;because it's a layered shitcake of bs formats and crap. what was the original item, an ogg ? mp3 ? what ?
1708629;1504246098;AlfredAlfer;h264
1708630;1504246114;AlfredAlfer;hmm. lol layered shitcake.
1708631;1504246132;mircea_popescu;so mpeg4. why not you know, just have a simple link, http:/eyoucis.fuckyou/this-song.mpeg ?
1708632;1504246140;AlfredAlfer;But is it impenetrable nonetheless? It's decentralized
1708633;1504246155;mircea_popescu;wtf is "decentralized" even mean, it's a website.
1708634;1504246157;AlfredAlfer;that won
1708635;1504246161;AlfredAlfer;link won't work
1708636;1504246182;AlfredAlfer;well , I still have much to learn with all these definitions
1708637;1504246196;trinque;looks like they bolted it to bittorrent some way
1708638;1504246199;AlfredAlfer;The only thing I've seen before that I thought would be an alternate internet was maidsafe, but it doesn't seem to be making any moves
1708639;1504246258;mircea_popescu;and by the looks of it, it's made by trhe same spammers from advance publications that onw all the rest of the pointless "segmented" spamsites. from vice to women-shoes-in-michigan.com
1708640;1504246288;cazalla;i'm off, parental stuff.. AlfredAlfer, i'd encourage you to spend more time here and/or reading logs, you will find actual solutions here, altright is lulzfest but even that has died down now due to taking themselves super 1488 seriously
1708641;1504246292;mircea_popescu;"terms". here's a pro tip AlfredAlfer : if a website has "terms" it's shit.
1708642;1504246320;danielpbarron;i met one of the maidsafe "coders" , told her about this place, never joined
1708643;1504246320;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CBF8483A93A6DB9A084EB5FC5CB8C66F72E30D46CF44D5B91B600B1A4322B782 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...9857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.83.115.32 (ssh-rsa key from 80.83.115.32 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (health-media2.webwide.de. DE)
1708644;1504246320;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CBF8483A93A6DB9A084EB5FC5CB8C66F72E30D46CF44D5B91B600B1A4322B782 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1561...4537 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.83.115.32 (ssh-rsa key from 80.83.115.32 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (health-media2.webwide.de. DE)
1708645;1504246322;trinque;cya caz
1708646;1504246338;mircea_popescu;trinque check their lulz dns announcement btw. round robin of same ips.
1708647;1504246358;AlfredAlfer;yes, I look forward to learning all about this
1708648;1504246363;AlfredAlfer;oh no, >coder >her
1708649;1504246385;mircea_popescu;anyway. no, i don't expect it's "impenetrable" in any sense.
1708650;1504246388;trinque;look mother, am cyberpunk
1708651;1504246406;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer are you poor ?
1708652;1504246414;danielpbarron;hey some of the best are women. see: eulora
1708653;1504246422;trinque;for the same milage you could stick a torrent on your own site and seed, if you want people to help you with bandwidth
1708654;1504246428;mircea_popescu;^
1708655;1504246431;mircea_popescu;much more impenetrable.
1708656;1504246442;AlfredAlfer;Am I poor? Well that's all relative, haha.
1708657;1504246479;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer the correct solution here is to pay 1-200 per month for a dedicated server in a sane jurisdiction (ie, outside of nato). make sure you get a chunk of ips with it, then host all your shit.
1708658;1504246495;AlfredAlfer;Why the fuck isn't the stormer doing that
1708659;1504246499;AlfredAlfer;they get more than enough money
1708660;1504246502;mircea_popescu;unless you're poor, this is the minimum bar of what you do. you pay rent for a house irl, and a smaller rent for a house on the net.
1708661;1504246509;mircea_popescu;because they've no clue.
1708662;1504246512;AlfredAlfer;you're saying you can buy your own individual server outside of nato?
1708663;1504246516;mircea_popescu;yes.
1708664;1504246525;AlfredAlfer;wtf
1708665;1504246533;mircea_popescu;and once you have that, and especially if you're present here, you are indeed impenetrable, because people will help.
1708666;1504246544;AlfredAlfer;how do they not know this. I mean I'm technologically incompetent but weev should know that
1708667;1504246546;mircea_popescu;such as with archival/disemination/elasticization and other such topics.
1708668;1504246564;AlfredAlfer;when you say help do you mean with security?
1708669;1504246569;mircea_popescu;many people don't know many things that they should know. it's kinda what nato even means by now, "you have this but not that ?!?!"
1708670;1504246572;mircea_popescu;for instance.
1708671;1504246600;AlfredAlfer;yea I guess most of it's hidden in plain site
1708672;1504246614;AlfredAlfer;well I know for a fact the stormer gets way more than that much money per month
1708673;1504246629;trinque;in usd, I'm sure. and they want to go spend that at the mall.
1708674;1504246639;AlfredAlfer;I thought *they* could access anything they pleased.. find their way into any server.. but indeed, there are ones they cannot access
1708675;1504246640;mircea_popescu;consider : when i put http://trilema.com/2017/the-life-and-times-of-fna/ in the log earlier, the bot archived it, so now it's at http://archive.is/L1Up3
1708676;1504246661;mircea_popescu;this happens automatically, because we said so at some point. similar measures can be taken to further expand defenses indefinitely.
1708677;1504246681;AlfredAlfer;I see
1708678;1504246695;AlfredAlfer;but isn't the archive also located on the same server?
1708679;1504246699;mircea_popescu;nope.
1708680;1504246708;mircea_popescu;and there's also private archives and all sorts of things.
1708681;1504246712;AlfredAlfer;where is it? somewhere else they can access tho, right?
1708682;1504246714;mircea_popescu;the republic is vast and far reaching.
1708683;1504246741;AlfredAlfer;mmm. I bet the pantsuits are stuck in 3 cyberspace dimensions, meanwhile you guys are on like 6
1708684;1504246773;mircea_popescu;all i got to say to that being http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/
1708685;1504246783;AlfredAlfer;LOlolOl
1708686;1504246788;AlfredAlfer;well that's quite comforting
1708687;1504246819;mircea_popescu;now do me a favour and make yourself a rsa key.
1708688;1504246856;AlfredAlfer;I shall. It's pretty late over here, but I have all of the articles and info you guys sent me open in tabs that will open up as soon as I wake up tomorrow.
1708689;1504246863;mircea_popescu;cool.
1708690;1504246869;AlfredAlfer;I need a fresh brain and a helping hand to do these keys
1708691;1504246872;AlfredAlfer;I'm very excited to learn more
1708692;1504246887;mircea_popescu;peeps'll help.
1708693;1504246897;AlfredAlfer;: )
1708694;1504246906;mircea_popescu;ah, i dun recall what you said, do you read poems ?
1708695;1504246924;AlfredAlfer;Oh - I can, I can read anything. I'm very good at vocal expressions.
1708696;1504246928;AlfredAlfer;Have a decent mic too.
1708697;1504247034;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/ << this is looking for expressing.
1708698;1504247156;AlfredAlfer;that's a good one
1708699;1504247158;AlfredAlfer;I could certainly do it
1708700;1504247232;mircea_popescu;aite, what's keeping you ?
1708701;1504247248;*;trinque to bed, night all
1708702;1504247252;mod6;ni ni
1708703;1504247253;mircea_popescu;peace.
1708704;1504247282;AlfredAlfer;Well I'll do it if you want me to!
1708705;1504247291;AlfredAlfer;I only ask for one favor in return
1708706;1504247305;mircea_popescu;shoot
1708707;1504247348;AlfredAlfer;Could you give me instructions on how the DS can get an impenetrable domain, through your services or others, that I can relay to weev?
1708708;1504247378;mircea_popescu;well he could just come here and im sure we'll set him up.
1708709;1504247386;AlfredAlfer;ooo
1708710;1504247390;mircea_popescu;iirc danielpbarron was trying to arrange something in that vein a few days ago but he never showed.
1708711;1504247409;AlfredAlfer;Okay, I'll tell him. Oh yes, Dan was the one that got me here. Well I talk to weev regularly so I should be able to coax him
1708712;1504247410;danielpbarron;no that was her
1708713;1504247413;mircea_popescu;oh oh.
1708714;1504247419;AlfredAlfer;Oohhh
1708715;1504247426;AlfredAlfer;no worries, I'll ask him myself.
1708716;1504247453;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer it's not like it's hard or something. have him drop by, it'll get sorted out.
1708717;1504247467;mircea_popescu;provided he doesn't go "fuck! why didn't i think of that!" when you show him the convo.
1708718;1504247470;AlfredAlfer;Cool.
1708719;1504247484;AlfredAlfer;HAhahha. I did screenshot some of the solutions you wrote, if you didn't mind.
1708720;1504247492;mircea_popescu;you can just link to the log, like i do.
1708721;1504247498;mircea_popescu;there's 3 differenty log websites to choose from.
1708722;1504247513;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/ http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today
1708723;1504247520;AlfredAlfer;Oh okay. This whole chat is stored forever in the vaults?
1708724;1504247524;mircea_popescu;yes.
1708725;1504247538;AlfredAlfer;coool
1708726;1504247544;AlfredAlfer;Oh Happy September btw
1708727;1504247547;mircea_popescu;lol
1708728;1504247549;mircea_popescu;!!up AlfredAlfer
1708729;1504247549;deedbot;AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
1708730;1504247571;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron consider how close you came to seeing her topless, too!
1708731;1504247594;AlfredAlfer;'twill forever be a mystery
1708732;1504247616;AlfredAlfer;unless you seriously up the antee on that .08 btc ; )
1708733;1504247625;mod6;haha
1708734;1504247633;AlfredAlfer;but no i'm just kidding. I wouldn't do it anyway.
1708735;1504247637;mircea_popescu;wait, what 0.08 ?!
1708736;1504247645;AlfredAlfer;oh I forget what percentage it was
1708737;1504247652;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer why not ? what, it's shameful to have tits or something ?
1708738;1504247667;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer it's 0.02. two bitcents. see ? so you can say "here's my two... bitcents".
1708739;1504247668;AlfredAlfer;Lol i told you that would be a bomb the internet would not soon forget.
1708740;1504247673;AlfredAlfer;Lol
1708741;1504247677;mircea_popescu;they forgot boxxy...
1708742;1504247685;AlfredAlfer;boxxy didn't have a rack like mine
1708743;1504247694;AlfredAlfer;also she reincarnated into shoeonhead
1708744;1504247695;danielpbarron;it is pretty nice
1708745;1504247695;mircea_popescu;and all those dumb bimbos with the what was it called, when smartphones got published ?
1708746;1504247717;mod6;yah, fappining.
1708747;1504247729;AlfredAlfer;Well I'm excited to hear your stormer solutions. The boys will be quite pleased.
1708748;1504247736;mircea_popescu;aite.
1708749;1504247740;danielpbarron;the hunger games chick showed her cunt even
1708750;1504247742;AlfredAlfer;Can you give me a quote to really coax him over here?
1708751;1504247746;AlfredAlfer;ew
1708752;1504247753;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1708753;1504247777;AlfredAlfer;No worries I'll just link to the suggestions you already wrote out
1708754;1504247792;AlfredAlfer;I really appreciate the help
1708755;1504247805;mircea_popescu;if something like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708428 doesn't make the point for him i dunno what would.
1708756;1504247805;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 05:23 mircea_popescu: http://91.218.246.33/2017/beating-that-spark-of-heaven/ << and i don't mean just the root, either.
1708757;1504247849;AlfredAlfer;define root?
1708758;1504247873;AlfredAlfer;sry I'm pretty much good at after effects and flash and have no clue about anything else
1708759;1504247891;mircea_popescu;if you say trilema.com/ that's the root. if you say trilema.com/blabla/bla-bla/ that's two down from root.
1708760;1504247899;AlfredAlfer;oh i see i see
1708761;1504247903;mircea_popescu;first / is the root.
1708762;1504247908;AlfredAlfer;so no one can shut down trilema
1708763;1504247915;mircea_popescu;ah, they try now and again.
1708764;1504247918;AlfredAlfer;even if they started targeting you tomorrow and made a dedicated quest
1708765;1504247926;AlfredAlfer;never succeed? Ever make a dent?
1708766;1504247928;mircea_popescu;but... it's been around for years. it broke the cables story. it broke the fetlife lists. it...
1708767;1504247937;mircea_popescu;there's a reason the pantsuit ignore it.
1708768;1504247941;AlfredAlfer;ohohoho
1708769;1504247960;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of history you don't know.
1708770;1504247960;AlfredAlfer;you must really be the big threat then
1708771;1504247973;AlfredAlfer;Ohhh hh i'm sure you could fill my head for weeks and I wouldn't know a fraction
1708772;1504247990;mircea_popescu;can always read the back logs. prolly instructive.
1708773;1504248001;mircea_popescu;at the last count there were ~2mn lines.
1708774;1504248009;AlfredAlfer;oh my how would I ever prune through that
1708775;1504248016;mircea_popescu;oh right, and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705806
1708776;1504248016;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 22:22 mircea_popescu just counted, trilema (articles only) stands at 10`631`726 words. this excludes my comments there and of course whatever my share of the log's 2mn lines (ie about what, a further 20-30mn words ?) is.
1708777;1504248035;AlfredAlfer;wowe
1708778;1504248037;mircea_popescu;"the republic is vast and far reaching."
1708779;1504248050;AlfredAlfer;mmmm : )))
1708780;1504248059;mod6;Reading the whole log is educational, indeed.
1708781;1504248062;AlfredAlfer;the pantsuits only think they control the tip of the iceberg
1708782;1504248074;AlfredAlfer;let 'em have it
1708783;1504248087;mircea_popescu;well, every girl in nowhere, indiana tells herself "she's got a handle on things".
1708784;1504248094;mircea_popescu;kinda the same principle.
1708785;1504248097;AlfredAlfer;hahhaha
1708786;1504248103;AlfredAlfer;myep
1708787;1504248116;AlfredAlfer;such babies. with their baby fiat.
1708788;1504248120;mircea_popescu;"i'm the 2nd prettiest girl in school... well in my class... well, according to my friends at least. AND THIS MATTERS AND MEANS SOMETHING!"
1708789;1504248135;AlfredAlfer;then they go to college and realize they're just another plane jane in a sea of 8's
1708790;1504248146;AlfredAlfer;(if it's not an american college)
1708791;1504248174;mircea_popescu;from what i hear they've gotten pretty pudgy in college these days.
1708792;1504248179;AlfredAlfer;I guess in that case trilema would be about a 17 on the 10 scale
1708793;1504248193;mircea_popescu;used to be fuckfest of all time, but by now it's kinda more like... too much work to roll over.
1708794;1504248198;AlfredAlfer;you're so out of their league they can't even fathom you
1708795;1504248202;AlfredAlfer;eew
1708796;1504248211;AlfredAlfer;basically college is camp to make girls ugly and fat
1708797;1504248218;mircea_popescu;pity.
1708798;1504248222;AlfredAlfer;I'm lucky i made it out as well as I did
1708799;1504248247;mircea_popescu;o, you went to college ? i thought you sold peanuts!
1708800;1504248247;AlfredAlfer;it's the food poison... go to s korea where there is no food poison, where the girls are dainty and light and sweet and young
1708801;1504248255;AlfredAlfer;yea that's what a degree will get you these days
1708802;1504248259;mircea_popescu;costa rica's not bad.
1708803;1504248261;AlfredAlfer;I started doing peanuts junior year
1708804;1504248273;AlfredAlfer;oh yea i'm sure you got your fair share of thi ccccc latinas
1708805;1504248287;mircea_popescu;well yes because they eat crap. but you don't have to.
1708806;1504248298;AlfredAlfer;*pistachios, tho. They only downgraded to peanuts when the phillies really started suckin'
1708807;1504248302;mircea_popescu;very fine steaks and things, if one can afford.
1708808;1504248309;AlfredAlfer;thi cccc latinas are nice tho, i'm not complaining
1708809;1504248317;mircea_popescu;o, you dig girls ?
1708810;1504248325;AlfredAlfer;No, I'm totally straight
1708811;1504248329;AlfredAlfer;I like men
1708812;1504248333;mircea_popescu;i don't.
1708813;1504248335;AlfredAlfer;but i can appreciate the female form
1708814;1504248342;mircea_popescu;i c!
1708815;1504248350;AlfredAlfer;yea we all can, it's nothing new
1708816;1504248359;AlfredAlfer;i like korean girls
1708817;1504248359;mircea_popescu;well, other than being kinda short, there's plenty of form.
1708818;1504248365;mircea_popescu;i don't!
1708819;1504248373;AlfredAlfer;you know I ran off to S Korea after getting doxed
1708820;1504248380;mircea_popescu;how was it ?
1708821;1504248380;AlfredAlfer;during when Kim was really threatening to nuke Seoul
1708822;1504248387;AlfredAlfer;It was an absolute dream
1708823;1504248393;AlfredAlfer;A functioning ethnostate
1708824;1504248399;mircea_popescu;see, if you had your own space on the web you could show me the articles now.
1708825;1504248412;AlfredAlfer;clean, no bums, respectable people.. and the girls took pride in their appearance
1708826;1504248426;AlfredAlfer;growing up around slovenly sows in america, it's quite jarring to be amongst Korean women
1708827;1504248428;mircea_popescu;doesn't sound too bad.
1708828;1504248429;AlfredAlfer;kinda makes you feel like hsit
1708829;1504248444;AlfredAlfer;food is amazing, and everywhere though. I don't know how they stay so slim.
1708830;1504248461;mircea_popescu;im not so crazy abouyt azn food. other than sushi. and some indian.
1708831;1504248468;mircea_popescu;and kimchi.
1708832;1504248479;AlfredAlfer;Seoul isn't just asian tho.. it's like everything. They've mastered the food. They do fine fried chicken. Better than the blacks.
1708833;1504248486;mircea_popescu;and i suppose im full of it, i like azn food just fine. well, minus the stupid shit where they add sugar.
1708834;1504248497;AlfredAlfer;I <3 <3 <3 sushiiii
1708835;1504248511;mircea_popescu;it's better here than in korea, tho. pretty sure.
1708836;1504248512;mircea_popescu;better fish.
1708837;1504248610;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708284 << what did she say ?
1708838;1504248610;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 04:14 AlfredAlfer: for me what did me in was a fat joke
1708839;1504248724;AlfredAlfer;lol
1708840;1504248727;AlfredAlfer;the fat joke?
1708841;1504248731;mircea_popescu;yea
1708842;1504248735;AlfredAlfer;oh hold on
1708843;1504248784;AlfredAlfer;https://gab.ai/realemilyyoucis/posts/11342540
1708844;1504248784;danielpbarron;http://i.imgur.com/TTx005c.jpg
1708845;1504248798;AlfredAlfer;lol thanks Dan
1708846;1504248807;AlfredAlfer;totally worth it
1708847;1504248808;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer here, one from me in exchange : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699005
1708848;1504248808;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 17:33 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at "blondes prefer blacks" farms, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1a7dd6fdaecc66e186cada47a345ee7e/tumblr_o0gsz450rp1ubgc5jo1_1280.jpg
1708849;1504248835;AlfredAlfer;how is that a fat joke
1708850;1504248841;mircea_popescu;it's not a fat joke.
1708851;1504248846;AlfredAlfer;oh
1708852;1504248848;AlfredAlfer;lol
1708853;1504248895;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i give it even odds that the "artificial intelligence" thing saw the red crumpled car and the person and decided that is gore.
1708854;1504248918;AlfredAlfer;I think they now have a censor for really mean fat chicks
1708855;1504248920;AlfredAlfer;*jokes
1708856;1504248931;danielpbarron;that chick died
1708857;1504248936;mircea_popescu;AlfredAlfer do you understant how pantsuit "AI" works ?
1708858;1504248939;AlfredAlfer;yea I know
1708859;1504248960;AlfredAlfer;like their fake AI robots that they pretend are all super-intelligent?
1708860;1504248969;AlfredAlfer;not exactly
1708861;1504248971;mircea_popescu;let's go into detail.
1708862;1504248982;AlfredAlfer;ok
1708863;1504249001;mircea_popescu;so, if i show you two items, an apple and an orange, and i tell you they're all "Fruit" and ask you why, you might say "because they're all round". this is not correct.
1708864;1504249022;AlfredAlfer;mmhm
1708865;1504249024;mircea_popescu;but the google "ai" works exactly in this manner : show a large matrix a bunch of different pics, and then see what got fished up, so to speak.
1708866;1504249039;AlfredAlfer;so it would see heather heyer and think she was a fruit
1708867;1504249044;mircea_popescu;the net result of this being the famous http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-26#1386298
1708868;1504249044;a111;Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
1708869;1504249063;mircea_popescu;this actually happens, you flip the pixels it "learned" and it sees the fridge and says cat.
1708870;1504249081;mircea_popescu;because it didn't actually learn anything. it's exact equivalent of exam stuffing, implemented by computers.
1708871;1504249091;mircea_popescu;they don't learn, they just parrot. and it only works if people are banal.
1708872;1504249092;AlfredAlfer;oh no, it's in spanish.. why did the rabbit die
1708873;1504249101;AlfredAlfer;well that's what the pansuits are depending on huh
1708874;1504249104;mircea_popescu;what's in spanish ?
1708875;1504249111;AlfredAlfer;oh, the link you linked to, the first link in the chat
1708876;1504249122;mircea_popescu;um.
1708877;1504249125;mircea_popescu;link ?
1708878;1504249161;AlfredAlfer;http://trilema.com/2012/in-atentia-igppa-autodenunt/
1708879;1504249169;mircea_popescu;oh. that's romanian not spanish.
1708880;1504249175;AlfredAlfer;whoops
1708881;1504249184;AlfredAlfer;forgive me it's late and i've had a couple tequilas heh
1708882;1504249194;mircea_popescu;not like i[m offended lol.
1708883;1504249205;AlfredAlfer;well I don't want you to think I'm that dumb haha
1708884;1504249211;mircea_popescu;too late for that :D
1708885;1504249215;AlfredAlfer;lolol
1708886;1504249237;AlfredAlfer;my forte is in animation.. all else not so much
1708887;1504249251;AlfredAlfer;well I guess I'm good at fat jokes
1708888;1504249254;mircea_popescu;dun worry about it. my forte is in humiliating women.
1708889;1504249260;AlfredAlfer;hueh
1708890;1504249266;AlfredAlfer;well that's a sport I most admire
1708891;1504249271;AlfredAlfer;all my heroes humiliate women
1708892;1504249287;mircea_popescu;you know, the reddit guiys would never guess, but actually a lot of girls do ?
1708893;1504249314;AlfredAlfer;women have an internal drive to be humiliated
1708894;1504249322;mircea_popescu;quite possibly.
1708895;1504249327;AlfredAlfer;anyway, I'm not one of those sickos or anything, I'm not into weird shit
1708896;1504249359;mircea_popescu;lol. you can always tell a girl that grew up in the 50 continental sads, because very shame driven.
1708897;1504249361;mircea_popescu;!!up AlfredAlfer
1708898;1504249361;deedbot;AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
1708899;1504249367;mircea_popescu;s'okay, we're unjudgmental assholes here.
1708900;1504249378;AlfredAlfer;yeh, specially being catholic
1708901;1504249386;AlfredAlfer;lol the continental sads
1708902;1504249401;AlfredAlfer;I know. Poisonous thots as far as the eye can see.
1708903;1504249409;mircea_popescu;i should have said "The 50 contiguous sads", but anyway.
1708904;1504249424;AlfredAlfer;both are funny
1708905;1504249440;AlfredAlfer;the united sads of america
1708906;1504249442;mircea_popescu;anyway. the rabbit died cuz i killed it.
1708907;1504249450;AlfredAlfer;F
1708908;1504249533;AlfredAlfer;I thought perhaps it related to the AI conversation in that someone programmed a bot to kill such and such creature by identifying certain pixels and it mistook the rabbit for what it was supposed to kill
1708909;1504249548;mircea_popescu;nah. unrelated.
1708910;1504249554;AlfredAlfer;ok
1708911;1504249568;AlfredAlfer;Well sir, it's getting quite late over here
1708912;1504249575;AlfredAlfer;I should probably hit the ol hay
1708913;1504249587;mircea_popescu;nighty.
1708914;1504249596;AlfredAlfer;Yea, thanks again for having me : )
1708915;1504249604;mircea_popescu;haven't had you yet.
1708916;1504249606;AlfredAlfer;I'll attempt to set up a key tomorrow
1708917;1504249607;AlfredAlfer;lol
1708918;1504249610;mircea_popescu;ehehe
1708919;1504249631;AlfredAlfer;And I shall tell Weev all about your bountiful solutions
1708920;1504249638;AlfredAlfer;We will get him here.
1708921;1504249650;mircea_popescu;cool. take it ezzy.
1708922;1504249665;AlfredAlfer;Alrighty. gn8
1708923;1504249886;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708302 << this is so cute. "buzzword applies, yes ?". incantorial technomagix.
1708924;1504249886;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 04:24 AlfredAlfer: Trilema's decentralized though, right?
1708925;1504249962;mod6;not sure why i didn't notice before, but I just realized where the tit id's come from. heheh
1708926;1504249969;mircea_popescu;lol!
1708927;1504249985;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708320 << this is even cuter. the leading + just means it's voiced, not part of the name you know!
1708928;1504249985;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 04:35 AlfredAlfer: Oh thank you for posting my cartoon, +a111
1708929;1504250005;*;mircea_popescu pictures cartman going "BUT!! are you a111 positive ???"
1708930;1504250072;mod6;heheh. athoritah.
1708931;1504250178;mircea_popescu;how the fuck have i done nothing but logs and some light fucking today and im looking at a log page halfway through!
1708932;1504250199;mircea_popescu;this is going to get worser.
1708933;1504250213;mod6;yeah, been pretty steep last few days 'eh
1708934;1504250260;mircea_popescu;word.
1708935;1504250295;mircea_popescu;i dunno, back in say 2014-2015 we had 1.5-2k-2.5k line logs and it wasn't such a load. but the lines musta gotten denser or something, because even 1k nowadays is like... god.
1708936;1504250320;mircea_popescu;i couldn't have aged that much in a few years!
1708937;1504250346;mod6;heheh. i wonder what the btcbase (or previous incantation) link density is yoy.
1708938;1504250383;mod6;like, if we're more recently linking things more heavily recently than we were previously, giving rise to deeper discussions to digest.
1708939;1504250407;mod6;bah, redundancy s/recently//
1708940;1504250500;mircea_popescu;possibly yea
1708941;1504250586;mod6;we're also getting a bit more lenient on "must read 6mos of logs first" rule imho.  and reasonably so when introductions are concerned, but last few days, we've seen a number of threads that could have been avoided.
1708942;1504250607;mircea_popescu;true huh.
1708943;1504250681;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC3FF1F24025B7135FED17EF79F4480D60B434AD8F09F2130F8C6A438943D21E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...5729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '71.252.132.249 (ssh-rsa key from 71.252.132.249 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-71-252-132-249.dllstx.fios.frontiernet.net. US TX)
1708944;1504250681;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC3FF1F24025B7135FED17EF79F4480D60B434AD8F09F2130F8C6A438943D21E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...7949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '71.252.132.249 (ssh-rsa key from 71.252.132.249 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-71-252-132-249.dllstx.fios.frontiernet.net. US TX)
1708945;1504250695;mod6;this is a tough one however; often we want to discuss matters without having to wait weeks for someone to come back, fully read.  but, tradeoffs.
1708946;1504250722;mircea_popescu;yeah, im not complaining about noise level, which'd be aptly addressed by "Stfu nubs and go read logs".
1708947;1504250739;mircea_popescu;kinda on the contrary.
1708948;1504250751;diana_coman;and I thought it was only me struggling to find time to keep up to date on logs lately, ha
1708949;1504250759;mircea_popescu;nope.
1708950;1504250764;mod6;hi diana_coman
1708951;1504250772;diana_coman;hi mod6
1708952;1504250784;mod6;i tried to help a guy on eulora, failed. lol. maybe he'll figure it out though.
1708953;1504250796;mircea_popescu;his problem was pretty bizarro.
1708954;1504250840;diana_coman;yeah, I think you actually held his hand quite a lot but who knows what he has there exactly
1708955;1504250880;mod6;yeah, not quite sure.
1708956;1504250896;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708391 << no lol.
1708957;1504250896;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 05:10 AlfredAlfer: say you're completely anonymous, don't use your real name, like I assume all you guys do.. is it easy for them to tie what you've said onto your actual person?
1708958;1504250919;diana_coman;no worries; he might get sorted with danielpbarron's recipe
1708959;1504250920;mircea_popescu;i'm mircea_popescu , danielpbarron is danielpbarron, diana_coman is diana_coman and so following.
1708960;1504250953;mircea_popescu;like half the people actually use own names for nicks, and most of the rest are about as far removed as you with your alfred.
1708961;1504250958;diana_coman;lol at this idea that "completely anonymous" = "don't use your real name"
1708962;1504250965;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1708963;1504250971;mircea_popescu;!~google Power Word : Real Name
1708964;1504250972;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Powerword - Encyclopedia Dramatica: <https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Powerword>; Power Word : Real Name - GraphJam - funny graphs - Cheezburger: <http://cheezburger.com/4669066240>; Urban Dictionary: powerword: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dpowerword>
1708965;1504251060;mod6; /nick JohnnyMcFucksticks
1708966;1504251297;mod6;diana_coman: how's your node goin? still sync'in?
1708967;1504251402;mircea_popescu;in other shit i discover, tila tequilla isn't who i thought it was.
1708968;1504251793;diana_coman;mod6, yeah, node's been fine for quite a while; I'm still looking at the options to run one with a public ip too but not yet settled on that
1708969;1504252047;mod6;no sweat, glad to hear that it's going alright for ya.
1708970;1504269326;asciilifeform;!!up needhelpwithnode
1708971;1504269326;deedbot;needhelpwithnode voiced for 30 minutes.
1708972;1504273879;asciilifeform;incidentally, re 'raw ip addrs hurt me head' folx -- possibly something like http://gurno.com/adam/mne ( e.g. '66.33.193.225 = far-cab-raw-tap' ) would cure'em
1708973;1504273881;asciilifeform;some people have allergy to digits, it seems
1708974;1504273955;asciilifeform;moldbug et al had their own version of this ( https://archive.is/f0siO << asciilifeform's lispified take on it )
1708975;1504273977;asciilifeform;eats 32bits and gives you, e.g., 'pobmol-dabmek'.
1708976;1504274055;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-08#1124583 << see old thread )
1708977;1504274055;a111;Logged on 2015-05-08 01:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/2E0CYZQ << example of binary shenanigans that i like to give
1708978;1504274077;asciilifeform;this could easily be a, say, plugin for heathen browsers etc.
1708979;1504276350;*;asciilifeform wonders if 'exciting' text, e.g., 'anal-punishment-drill-thrust', could be moar memorable than syllablesoup
1708980;1504280297;asciilifeform;in very very other noose : the vendor's vga and ps/2 kbd demo verilog for ice40 builds and WORX
1708981;1504280326;asciilifeform;display syncs and displays moving (via arrow keys) sprite.
1708982;1504280378;asciilifeform;( olimex sells a little adapter that bolts vga db15 plug and minidin ps/2 to the ice40-1k and -8k boardz )
1708983;1504280442;asciilifeform;vga bouncyball is a 'pons asinorum' of sorts, in fpgadom.
1708984;1504280488;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tY9Zk/?raw=true << subj
1708985;1504281182;mod6;mornin
1708986;1504281182;asciilifeform;( https://www.olimex.com/Products/FPGA/iCE40/iCE40-IO/ << iron component of subj )
1708987;1504281186;asciilifeform;heya mod6
1708988;1504281191;mod6;how goes alf?
1708989;1504281197;asciilifeform;see l0g
1708990;1504281358;mod6;<+asciilifeform> in very very other noose : the vendor's vga and ps/2 kbd demo verilog for ice40 builds and WORX << cool
1708991;1504283982;mod6;9.95 EUR ea.  cheaper bulk prices too.
1708992;1504284050;asciilifeform;mod6: it ain't an everybody-go-buy-9999 item imho
1708993;1504284075;asciilifeform;moar of an aficionado thing
1708994;1504284103;mod6;ofc
1708995;1504284132;asciilifeform;now on the other hand if somebody sold a board with, e.g., several MB of sram + nic magnetics + uart hole -- then yes
1708996;1504288038;ben_vulpes;not...exactly a solar shade: http://www.orbitalreflector.com/
1708997;1504291974;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708749 << And that Olympic football goalie had a telephoto lens on her starfish
1708998;1504291974;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 06:35 danielpbarron: the hunger games chick showed her cunt even
1708999;1504292171;BingoBoingo;Here's another fat joke: "Acral dry gangrene"
1709000;1504292301;trinque;thanks BingoBoingo for today's mental hardening exercise
1709001;1504292319;BingoBoingo;trinque: You are very welcome
1709002;1504292493;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708967 << Very common issue
1709003;1504292493;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 07:36 mircea_popescu: in other shit i discover, tila tequilla isn't who i thought it was.
1709004;1504292774;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1709005;1504292775;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: None | Current Difficulty: 8.88171856257E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 483839 | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1709006;1504292788;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1709007;1504292802;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4832.0, vol: 13524.44295983 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4828.4, vol: 24507.9583815 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4830.6, vol: 4261.1159359 | Volume-weighted last average: 4829.77284514
1709008;1504292817;BingoBoingo;Oh, still crashing... very quaint
1709009;1504293152;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708972 <<< none of them even knows how to find a browser without autocomplete.
1709010;1504293152;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 13:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, re 'raw ip addrs hurt me head' folx -- possibly something like http://gurno.com/adam/mne ( e.g. '66.33.193.225 = far-cab-raw-tap' ) would cure'em
1709011;1504293772;BingoBoingo;In other trends "plasti dip": https://archive.is/rPbBq
1709012;1504294462;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708973 << no. some non-people are trained as part of their non-people training at the hands of old women to a. never show their cunt in public b. run away whenever specific sounds are heard (1. sirens, 2. "freeze", 3. "nigger", 4. numbers and math, 5. etcetera). this is how old women build "a society" which looks exactly like fucking john gast's "american progress", a "painting" made by tele
1709013;1504294462;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 13:51 asciilifeform: some people have allergy to digits, it seems
1709014;1504294462;mircea_popescu;graph operators/industrial draughtsmen about how "rain follows the plow" and other convenient anthropo-globalwarmisms of the oldwman herd cca 1800.
1709015;1504294499;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709009 << so you make a mnemonizer that fits on propaganda pamphlet, wat. gotta separate 'is problem worth solving' from the 'how to solve'
1709016;1504294499;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 19:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708972 <<< none of them even knows how to find a browser without autocomplete.
1709017;1504294502;mircea_popescu;and somehow nobody picked up the pantsuited abominations of THAT period and whipped them to death to appease the dust bowl dust gods.
1709018;1504294514;mircea_popescu;because, you've guessed it, "anyone could have bought into it" and "nobody could have predicted".
1709019;1504294540;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is there to predict ? that old women are stupid ? that the children they raise http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706699 ?
1709020;1504294540;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 21:57 mircea_popescu: the only reasonable move for safeguarding earth's future, is to keep you lot as far as feasible from any buttons that are connected to anything.
1709021;1504294541;mircea_popescu;hurr.
1709022;1504294584;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my point was that by the time they typed in 83 the rest of the "unmemorizable address" is already filled in.
1709023;1504294615;mircea_popescu;anyway, im going to meet mah local lawyers over lunch about potential lulz, so bbl.
1709024;1504294681;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: contemplated scenario is d00d shouting propaganda, go to joepunishesmaryslowlywithabroomstickinaconcerthall.com and that turns into 123.45.67.89 etc
1709025;1504294750;mircea_popescu;why not just REMEMBER 123.45 and put that in.
1709026;1504294768;asciilifeform;because you ain't remembering, you're megaphoning
1709027;1504294785;asciilifeform;to a crowded train, or whatever.
1709028;1504294788;mircea_popescu;i heard chix megaphoning 1-2-3-4 befoar.
1709029;1504294800;trinque;old farts still manage to key in the phone number to call AM radio
1709030;1504294806;asciilifeform;mnemonism is a thing. 200+yrs state of art.
1709031;1504294816;mircea_popescu;apparently it's a lost technology, this, the NUMBER
1709032;1504294832;mircea_popescu;forget pantsuits trying to take the url out of the browser. apparently they convinced the herd to live without numbers ?
1709033;1504294863;trinque;without anything not attached to a single button press on rectangular glass
1709034;1504294882;trinque;can even shake the thing like a monkey if you didn't mean it!
1709035;1504294886;asciilifeform;trinque: yer comparing unlikes. d00d with same phone # for 50 yrs != shouting to crowd containing entire iq bellcurve and going for max % who remember when they get home
1709036;1504294898;mircea_popescu;we ARE going for max.
1709037;1504294901;mircea_popescu;this is baked in.
1709038;1504294910;mircea_popescu;republic = going for max ; empire = going for many.
1709039;1504294926;mircea_popescu;there is no way to escape this, whoseover goes for many is our enemy and i shall personally knife his rabbits.
1709040;1504294940;asciilifeform;pov is from area denial op ( kill dns as a thing perceived to be required by the cattle ) rather than 'for republic', was what i thought
1709041;1504294962;mircea_popescu;nope.
1709042;1504294973;mircea_popescu;we infect it ; it doesn't infect us.
1709043;1504294984;asciilifeform;then dns will still exist 100y from nao
1709044;1504294992;asciilifeform;with the attendant unearned rents for derps.
1709045;1504295027;mircea_popescu;maybe in a zoo
1709046;1504295040;mircea_popescu;anyway, bbl for realz.
1709047;1504295059;trinque;hasta luego
1709048;1504295110;trinque;asciilifeform: kids do more work installing cracked games and so on than it is to put something in hosts file
1709049;1504295132;asciilifeform;trinque ( and others ) : out of curiosity, how many ipv4's do you personally keep in yer head ? ( NOT counting 'magics' , e.g. 127.0.0.1 )
1709050;1504295145;asciilifeform;asciilifeform walks around with maybe a dozen
1709051;1504295195;trinque;I don't keep 'em in head, but hostfile
1709052;1504295199;trinque;*hosts
1709053;1504295225;asciilifeform;that works for folx 'with jobs, jerry, and office' -- i.e. fleet of unix boxes
1709054;1504295238;trinque;sure, got even a local cache of DNS sitting here
1709055;1504295244;asciilifeform;what will you suggest to the iphonist ? 'fuck off and go sit on a road cone' ?
1709056;1504295269;asciilifeform;( is what asciilifeform's emulated mircea_popescutron replied )
1709057;1504295273;trinque;bookmark the digits with a name
1709058;1504295333;asciilifeform;and let's say you wanted to speak it
1709059;1504295344;asciilifeform;gonna 'alpha bravo charlie fullstop....' etc?
1709060;1504295360;trinque;"fifty two" "twenty eight" "two hundred seven" "five" ??
1709061;1504295375;asciilifeform;ever done this over a noisy radio ( or shitphone ) all day ?
1709062;1504295380;trinque;yup
1709063;1504295386;trinque;latter
1709064;1504295388;asciilifeform;0 eggogs?
1709065;1504295401;ben_vulpes;what as if there are zero with spellable names gtfo
1709066;1504295404;trinque;why make dns better rather than murder leaving no trace?
1709067;1504295447;trinque;hypertext on gossipd may sensibly *lack* the notion of "website" entirely.
1709068;1504295448;asciilifeform;trinque: because it is very difficult to murder with no trace a thing to which all of the apparent alternatives are spike cones.
1709069;1504295461;asciilifeform;and the problem has applications elsewhere ( dictating rsa keys over voice etc )
1709070;1504295462;trinque;but "I want the page with hash H"
1709071;1504295467;trinque;and whichever peers have it or don't
1709072;1504295477;asciilifeform;shouting hex digits is lame.
1709073;1504295498;trinque;peers may even say "here's what I think dailysturmer is" and you go pick a hash to use
1709074;1504295501;asciilifeform;and makes poor use of not only bandwidth but the frontbrain which is sitting right there.
1709075;1504295557;trinque;which yes means every single update to ds index page has to flow through someone you know gossiptronically for you to know about it
1709076;1504295562;asciilifeform;trinque: 'address by pubkey' yes
1709077;1504295568;asciilifeform;i thought it was obvious Right Thing
1709078;1504295660;asciilifeform;!#s dicelist
1709079;1504295661;a111;32 results for "dicelist", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dicelist
1709080;1504295661;asciilifeform;...
1709081;1504295666;asciilifeform;ah there.
1709082;1504295669;trinque;eh not sold on addressing being the thing; addressing identifies who I asked
1709083;1504295673;trinque;the hash says what item I want
1709084;1504295680;asciilifeform;there is no WHO separate from pubkey.
1709085;1504295687;trinque;no shit eh?
1709086;1504295764;trinque;but then that station goes down and I wanted an item from it; then what?
1709087;1504295764;asciilifeform;then as trinque said.
1709088;1504295764;asciilifeform;it goes down, the answer to your query of its pubkey is mu until goes back up, neh
1709089;1504295764;asciilifeform;how else
1709090;1504295764;trinque;I said how else.
1709091;1504295774;trinque;how the p2p networks, gnutella et al, worked, but routed over gossipd wotnet
1709092;1504295791;asciilifeform;aa in the sense of dht
1709093;1504295817;trinque;yessir, dht atop what you're talking about would be quite robust to this whole "hurr durr took down the website FBI logo srs"
1709094;1504295818;asciilifeform;( i use one of these ~daily, 'kademlia' )
1709095;1504295847;asciilifeform;'gimme ff143abcd...' 'hereitis'/'nobodygotit'
1709096;1504295904;asciilifeform;the tricky bit is how to propagate these without ending up with 'no individual node gives anything to allcomers, yes, but allcomer can ring the whole world as a bell and it never stops'
1709097;1504295929;trinque;and yes would kill the "dynamic web" thing which, what the fuck, it's hypertext not a program, even if a program generated the hypertext.
1709098;1504295944;asciilifeform;kad did this with traditional 'time to live' but that is promisetronic ultimately
1709099;1504296036;asciilifeform;trinque: 'www server should serve statics' is great until you realize that you use phf's search box every day and it's a dynamicism
1709100;1504296043;asciilifeform;what nao.
1709101;1504296071;asciilifeform;see the 'phuctor as a static www' thread
1709102;1504296078;trinque;wot.deedbot.org serves statics.
1709103;1504296084;trinque;even the search
1709104;1504296093;asciilifeform;how's that work ?
1709105;1504296105;asciilifeform;( how does POST work statically ?? )
1709106;1504296205;trinque;anything you're using as a search index can exist as some file with a hash your DHTinator could pull itself and look at on your end.
1709107;1504296246;asciilifeform;substrings, trinque -- what happens when i type 'anything you're using as a search index can exist' string into your search ?
1709108;1504296251;asciilifeform;describe plox the algo
1709109;1504296300;trinque;are we really trying to preserve every idiotic misuse of hypertext here?
1709110;1504296310;asciilifeform;fulltext search is not a misuse
1709111;1504296315;trinque;by your line of questioning kad can't search
1709112;1504296331;asciilifeform;how do i make a phuctor at all with your algo ? ( how do users submit a key ?? )
1709113;1504296344;trinque;by sending you a key over gossipd
1709114;1504296347;asciilifeform;kad can only search by hash of entire parcel.
1709115;1504296351;trinque;where does hypertext come into that, except "SOP"
1709116;1504296382;asciilifeform;trinque: so we're contemplating a separation of reads and writes into unlike protocols ?
1709117;1504296396;asciilifeform;( this is not necessarily a bad idea, but i'd like to hear moar re how )
1709118;1504296412;trinque;exactly how wot.deedbot.org works neh?
1709119;1504296413;trinque;eats via bot
1709120;1504296417;trinque;maybe bot's offline, can't eat
1709121;1504296463;trinque;so yes, if wot.deedbot.org were on gossipd it'd eat by bot attached to particular station, maybe redundant somehow, but leaving that aside, this contemplated DHT could still make particular states of the thing redundant past the the death of trinque
1709122;1504296481;asciilifeform;trinque: lemme confess to you the context : i recently took a break from $usual to write an ada www server, and quickly barfed. because thought 'and what, it also gotta handle POSTs, and quickly becomes asinine mess of horror'
1709123;1504296496;asciilifeform;but say it DIDN'T handle posts...
1709124;1504296540;asciilifeform;let's work out a concrete example
1709125;1504296545;trinque;hypertext's an inert datastructure, gives you a graph to crawl over while reading. why's it gotta be an interactive program aside that usecase?
1709126;1504296552;trinque;there was a very recent thread re: this
1709127;1504296624;asciilifeform;let's take http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDDE667282B355D21D9F0E3505442E332AB082F487BFFC440034D11D636FD6A7 , well-known lulzgem.
1709128;1504296665;asciilifeform;how would you convert this to trinque-addressing scheme without losing functionality ?
1709129;1504296676;asciilifeform;( or, alternatively, what functionality would you have phuctor lose ? )
1709130;1504296727;trinque;lets say it's phuctored again. your station broadcasts to whoever it cares to tell, a particular identifier unique within your station now points to a new hash.
1709131;1504296735;trinque;my station hears, can ask you for the goods.
1709132;1504296778;asciilifeform;forget the pushing variant. i want to put a handle on a particular pgpkey or pgpfp into the l0gz. what does that look like ?
1709133;1504296795;trinque;folks can now ask me whether I have a particular hash, but can only know you meant it to mean "mahmood-anal-perforation-7" if they know you, or if you signed the fact that it is
1709134;1504296822;trinque;it looks like the hash of an item, and whatever thing is showing me logs either knows what it is, or doesn't
1709135;1504296822;asciilifeform;to reformulate : how do i refer to an index into a db that is indexable by more than one column ?
1709136;1504296851;asciilifeform;phuctor deals in TWO types of hash
1709137;1504296851;trinque;no multiple columns; one hash and it's upon the reader to be able to find the item or not.
1709138;1504296869;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha procrustes thx but no thx, plz play again
1709139;1504296874;asciilifeform;without procrustation this time
1709140;1504296912;trinque;eh I have lost interest by now.
1709141;1504296924;asciilifeform;it's an actual open problem, wat
1709142;1504296929;asciilifeform;i'd like to see it solved.
1709143;1504296936;asciilifeform;( and not defined away, but solved. )
1709144;1504296987;trinque;you're going to have to point out to me where link-by-hash fails then
1709145;1504297028;trinque;and why my reader, being able to resolve hashes of items ~or not~ based on what my station knows, and peer stations tell me.
1709146;1504297238;asciilifeform;it fails because -- in the particular example i gave -- it ain't 1:1
1709147;1504297255;trinque;your aliases for items which identify membership of the item in some set *are themselves items which your station publishes, individually*
1709148;1504297298;trinque;you belch out facts, rest of the world can either hear you or not, can either confirm you said them or not. or wtf was gossipd again?
1709149;1504297331;asciilifeform;trinque: you're mixing layers. basic mechanics of gossiptron is not in dispute, q was re how to query a db by more than 1 possible index col
1709150;1504297379;trinque;why do you wish to express querying in terms of a hypertext interface at all?
1709151;1504297396;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot asciilifeform
1709152;1504297396;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 10 by 10 connections.
1709153;1504297427;asciilifeform;trinque: q is re what a 'url' ( or what we call it instead ) really ~is~
1709154;1504297456;asciilifeform;is it a locative ? or an immutable
1709155;1504297478;trinque;as locative, it's not doing so hot.
1709156;1504297550;asciilifeform;consider, for sake of argument,   curl http://wot.deedbot.org/29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1.html | sha512sum  today gives me 19a66977545747f383eccd6f570270a77cd620aa011651c94e777992ee63b08a30052eff4045e672c2387ebfbd18509e5c29a1a247fadcfebf3828dc02789b25
1709157;1504297553;trinque;and URL as some kind of query language is abominable
1709158;1504297564;asciilifeform;but tomorrow could be something else, if the ratings change
1709159;1504297601;asciilifeform;trinque: the thing behind that url is ephemeral by nature.
1709160;1504297665;asciilifeform;the only meaningful way to represent it is by listing the input operands which produced it ( in this case, the fp arg )
1709161;1504297673;asciilifeform;just same as with the phuctor example
1709162;1504297711;asciilifeform;just like http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC02BECF037180105CA079586B51212366B61A8CD3BB5992FD2F90CF9FC7D6C5 , a d00d whose key is unbroken, the page can have potentially very different output the ~next~ time you read it
1709163;1504297717;trinque;yes. my station told you that wot.deedbot.org/arbitrarystringforsakeofargument.html means 19a66977545747f383eccd6f570270a77cd620aa011651c94e777992ee63b08a30052eff4045e672c2387ebfbd18509e5c29a1a247fadcfebf3828dc02789b25
1709164;1504297735;trinque;and tomorrow you ask and it says new hash, and maybe even gives you the hashed item, how nice
1709165;1504297759;trinque;and as I describe things the gossipdnet now has, if it wants, a history of what its seen, and a way to refer to it.
1709166;1504297791;asciilifeform;trinque: might i persuade you to write the algo out ? in longhand
1709167;1504297816;trinque;alright
1709168;1504297830;asciilifeform;( sorta like my http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000257.html item , for instance )
1709169;1504297835;asciilifeform;more pedantic -- the merrier
1709170;1504297842;asciilifeform;i promise to read.
1709171;1504297854;trinque;sure, will write.
1709172;1504299087;asciilifeform;incidentally ted nelson struggled with this conundrum, and imho his failure to produce anything looked like a solution, is 1 of the reasons why he was relegated to 'voice in wilderness' rather than getting to define www
1709173;1504299109;asciilifeform;( the www people simply pissed on the problem, african-style, and didn't even pretend to solve )
1709174;1504299160;asciilifeform;*anything which looked like
1709175;1504299185;trinque;imagine the hilarity of actual human communication resembling www; you and I wish to speak irl, we go to the designated 3rd party for the particular language we'll speak, he relays between us and all other folks discussing same.
1709176;1504299217;asciilifeform;'hey trinque, what's your gurl's favourite colour?' '19a66977545747f383eccd6f570270a77cd620aa011651c94e777992ee63b08a30052eff4045e672c2387ebfbd18509e5c29a1a247fadcfebf3828dc02789b25....'
1709177;1504299218;asciilifeform;lol!
1709178;1504299392;mod6;heheh
1709179;1504299397;asciilifeform;ah trinque you meant the incaism of dns etc
1709180;1504299400;asciilifeform;sure.
1709181;1504299469;trinque;www itself is an incaism. death to "it was said on arsebook walled garden; lives and dies at the mercy of arsebook"
1709182;1504299487;trinque;anyhow will write, not gonna try to babble it into logs further.
1709183;1504299501;asciilifeform;aite
1709184;1504299555;asciilifeform;is trinque familiar with 'eternity' and earlier attempts at perma-dht 133337w4r3ztronics ?
1709185;1504299630;trinque;not that particular one, but I would hazard a guess it lacked the hierarchial trust topology that makes other republican items work.
1709186;1504299635;*;trinque afk for a sec
1709187;1504301293;asciilifeform;!!up Barbarossa_
1709188;1504301294;deedbot;Barbarossa_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1709189;1504301371;Barbarossa_;any chance of a price cut for FUCKGOATS w BTC @ ATH?
1709190;1504301392;ben_vulpes;Barbarossa_: there was just a price cut
1709191;1504301394;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: btc has been at alltimehigh maybe 4 days out of 5 for past 6 months neh
1709192;1504301403;asciilifeform;and yes there was recently a price cut
1709193;1504301425;ben_vulpes;http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-july-2017-statement/#selection-433.15-433.70
1709194;1504301453;asciilifeform;there are no plans to peg the price, however, to a fixed quantity of usd, or troy of gold, or pounds of grain, or any other babylonian metric.,
1709195;1504301460;asciilifeform;because why.
1709196;1504301499;Barbarossa_;kinda strange to use BTC as unit of account already, no?
1709197;1504301508;asciilifeform;why it strange, and usd -- not ?
1709198;1504301530;Barbarossa_;variance
1709199;1504301545;asciilifeform;1 btc is worth 1 btc today -- just as in 2009
1709200;1504301545;trinque;ikr, usd loses value all the time. serious variance.
1709201;1504301548;asciilifeform;so what variance
1709202;1504301561;asciilifeform;'time flows at 1 second per second ' (tm)(r)
1709203;1504301626;Barbarossa_;don't get me wrong: I'm mostly just trying to wrangle for an even cheaper implementation of gold standard entropy (despite not being a joo)
1709204;1504301651;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: technically you can get it for exactly what it costs us -- make it yerself from the schematics
1709205;1504301671;Barbarossa_;ye, division of labor and all that
1709206;1504301679;asciilifeform;however, the difference b/w what ~that~ costs, and what we charge, is denominated in btc.
1709207;1504301702;ben_vulpes;Barbarossa_: jewdom is a state of mind
1709208;1504301731;Barbarossa_;damnit, guess I'm a self-loathing crytoJOO after all :(
1709209;1504301742;Barbarossa_;crypto*
1709210;1504301781;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: to shed more light on (entirely not seekrit) price structure -- to pay for producing a device, btc is spent.  then it gotta be earned back.
1709211;1504301782;ben_vulpes;hey it could be worse, you could be cryojewnic
1709212;1504301791;hanbot;Barbarossa_ if you own tits in some capacity you could always apply the proceeds of http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ to your order eh
1709213;1504301792;asciilifeform;btc earned back. not -- pointedly -- usd, or dubloons, or grain.
1709214;1504301813;asciilifeform;it does 0 good to earn back something other than the btc that was spent. because snsa operates in btc.
1709215;1504301825;asciilifeform;does this make sense ?
1709216;1504301865;ben_vulpes;how is s.nsa earning the btc back with the price cuts? were materials not paid for in btc many moons past?
1709217;1504301872;Barbarossa_;yup; tbh I'd pay 3x what you're charging
1709218;1504301979;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the answer lies -- megasurprise -- in the broadcasts.
1709219;1504302008;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: waiwat -- you'd pay 3x, but not the current price ?!
1709220;1504302019;asciilifeform;you're welcome to send in 3x the btc !
1709221;1504302029;asciilifeform;and specify 'no thx i only want 1 box'
1709222;1504302038;Barbarossa_;I mostly just wanted to bring up FUCKGOATS coz I'm so happy that it exists
1709223;1504302046;asciilifeform;why ty Barbarossa_
1709224;1504302071;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: consider introducing yourself ? who are you ? already own a fg ?
1709225;1504302098;Barbarossa_;no - my PGP keys were all generated on a diddled wintel box
1709226;1504302113;Barbarossa_;I'm a professsional poker player from the UK
1709227;1504302139;asciilifeform;i expect a pokerist would have something to say re rng, aha
1709228;1504302146;Barbarossa_;but I'm in the process of getting trb/linux/FG and all that
1709229;1504302155;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: you should definitely stick around until mircea_popescu wakes up
1709230;1504302163;Barbarossa_;well, 6 riffle shuffles are enough for us ;)
1709231;1504302168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is co-author of fg.
1709232;1504302174;asciilifeform;( and many other nice things )
1709233;1504302246;Barbarossa_;Pokerstars, the largest site, uses a semi-transparent mirror for entropy
1709234;1504302258;Barbarossa_;dunno how practical that'd be for a FG-type device tho
1709235;1504302263;asciilifeform;the problem with that method, as with many others, is the ~measurement~ apparatus
1709236;1504302272;asciilifeform;analogue effects in practice suck for proper rng
1709237;1504302276;asciilifeform;because of adc artifacts.
1709238;1504302298;Barbarossa_;ye, the key advantage to FG being auditability
1709239;1504302302;asciilifeform;correct
1709240;1504302334;asciilifeform;i experimented with many types of rng.
1709241;1504302368;Barbarossa_;me too
1709242;1504302377;Barbarossa_;run-good AND run-bad :D
1709243;1504302382;asciilifeform;i rejected all physical effects which require an adc
1709244;1504302388;asciilifeform;because there is NO such thing as a zero-artifact adc.
1709245;1504302400;asciilifeform;and they all suffer from the equivalent of lcd moire
1709246;1504302406;asciilifeform;( sampling artifact )
1709247;1504302450;asciilifeform;also rejected all effects which require high voltages, because voltagemultipliers contain oscillator
1709248;1504302459;asciilifeform;( which in turn works its way into the output, no matter what you do )
1709249;1504302468;asciilifeform;so no geigers, no reversebiased diodes.
1709250;1504302519;asciilifeform;this left johnson noise; and natural radioactivity + scintillation detector. the latter may appear in a future snsa product.
1709251;1504302529;asciilifeform;( but it won't be cheap. )
1709252;1504302542;Barbarossa_;I read the FG documentation - will be interesting verifying everything as a total layman
1709253;1504302573;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: see some linked examples ( near top of page , near the schems ) of other folx who verified.
1709254;1504302583;Barbarossa_;thanks, will do
1709255;1504302587;asciilifeform;and plz do consider posting a link here, when you have.
1709256;1504302597;asciilifeform;( when you get one, and verify in various ways )
1709257;1504302628;Barbarossa_;did you also create the PGP signing dongle thing?
1709258;1504302671;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: in the process of prototyping that one, we found that gpg is a turd
1709259;1504302685;Barbarossa_;hmm looks like I need to read more logs
1709260;1504302691;asciilifeform;aha.
1709261;1504302697;Barbarossa_;I've been using GPG assuming it's sound
1709262;1504302712;asciilifeform;a replacement is in the works here.
1709263;1504302727;Barbarossa_;true philanthropy!
1709264;1504302757;asciilifeform;not so much from philanthropy, as from the fact of gpg being rather like the sarcophagus at chernobyl, times 9000
1709265;1504302824;asciilifeform;the main failure is that it does not :
1709266;1504302829;asciilifeform;!#s fits in head
1709267;1504302829;a111;123 results for "fits in head", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fits%20in%20head
1709268;1504302833;Barbarossa_;built by Ukranians in the 1980s?
1709269;1504302845;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: worse, built by
1709270;1504302850;asciilifeform;!#s koch
1709271;1504302850;a111;108 results for "koch", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=koch
1709272;1504302859;asciilifeform;enemy agent.
1709273;1504302905;Barbarossa_;but, but, but, open sauce, thousand eyes and all that
1709274;1504302914;asciilifeform;!#s fly eyes
1709275;1504302915;a111;12 results for "fly eyes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fly%20eyes
1709276;1504302939;danielpbarron;Barbarossa_, i might be interested in selling you one for a little less. what were you looking to spend?
1709277;1504302954;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: see also http://qntra.net/2016/08/rng-whitening-bug-weakened-all-versions-of-gpg
1709278;1504302971;Barbarossa_;I don't actually mind paying retail, thanks though!
1709279;1504302982;danielpbarron;hm, ok
1709280;1504303020;Barbarossa_;thanks for the links, asciilifeform
1709281;1504303032;ben_vulpes;omfg it's rentalstarter all over again
1709282;1504303034;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: np. i recommend to stay tuned until mircea_popescu wakesup
1709283;1504303040;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ?
1709284;1504303093;ben_vulpes;old assets lolz, "rentalstarter" froze asset trading and then sold a pile of shares at above market price to "mystery investor who wanted to pay more than market price"
1709285;1504303102;asciilifeform;!!up Barbarossa_
1709286;1504303103;deedbot;Barbarossa_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1709287;1504303123;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there's nuffin wrong with folx reselling fg, or using it for fly fishing, or balloon ballast, whatever
1709288;1504303170;ben_vulpes;iz joek
1709289;1504303187;asciilifeform;wasn't obvious
1709290;1504303199;ben_vulpes;guy wants to buy at above market clearing price; it's funny!
1709291;1504303220;ben_vulpes;but also cool
1709292;1504303222;Barbarossa_;not saying I want to, just that I would!
1709293;1504303236;Barbarossa_;beats rolling dice all day
1709294;1504303238;ben_vulpes;Barbarossa_: market clearing price is danielpbarron's lower-than-snsa offer
1709295;1504303254;Barbarossa_;ah right, well - I like filling in webforms
1709296;1504303261;asciilifeform;sorta like that thread where asciilifeform mentioned that he'd buy a 10,000$ comp. but not same comp he has , hopefully ! but ~a~ comp
1709297;1504303309;Barbarossa_;danielpbarron - currently reading Idols for Destruction - you'd probably enjoy it
1709298;1504303342;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> old assets lolz, "rentalstarter" froze asset trading and then sold a pile of shares at above market price to "mystery investor who wanted to pay more than market price" << AHA, Thetwentyyear or some shit like that
1709299;1504303353;BingoBoingo;!#s Thetwentyyear
1709300;1504303354;a111;1 result for "Thetwentyyear", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Thetwentyyear
1709301;1504303377;BingoBoingo;!#s rentalstarter
1709302;1504303378;a111;91 results for "rentalstarter", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rentalstarter
1709303;1504303406;BingoBoingo;Ah, sorry The20YearIRCloud was it's name
1709304;1504303421;asciilifeform;if you think you see somebody willingly paying 'more than market price', consider that you might be mistaken re the identity of what he's paying for
1709305;1504303484;ben_vulpes;fg from ft meade!
1709306;1504303489;asciilifeform;so if mircea_popescu is paying ben_vulpes 10 dubloons per diem to guard his plutonium stash, it does not follow that this is 'above market' just because there is a queue of redditors offering to do it for 1 dubloon
1709307;1504303516;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: all fg should be assumed to pass through ftmeade. sorta what the audit process is for, neh.
1709308;1504303612;ben_vulpes;well yeah
1709309;1504303614;asciilifeform;though i've thought about suggesting to mircea_popescu to offer hand-delivery ( chore would fall to asciilifeform... ) as an option. but i dun like nonflat prices
1709310;1504303621;ben_vulpes;for my illumination, what do you figure Barbarossa_ is buying from you that he is not from danielpbarron ?
1709311;1504303643;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i don't know specifically what.
1709312;1504303650;BingoBoingo;Well 2nd as opposed to first batch for one
1709313;1504303657;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what do you expect from toyota when you go to them instead of used dealer ?
1709314;1504303673;Barbarossa_;time to setup all the PGP stuff and a hot wallet to send the bitcoin etc
1709315;1504303689;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: once you get a pgp key, consider registering with deedbot
1709316;1504303690;asciilifeform;!!help
1709317;1504303690;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1709318;1504303691;ben_vulpes;oh no, danielpbarron is mining with customer hardware!
1709319;1504303694;Barbarossa_;didn't wanna say yes, then have to delay a week getting ready to actually buy
1709320;1504303720;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i haven't any notion, maybe he runs them near his particle accelerator's beamline, wat.
1709321;1504303768;asciilifeform;for that matter, maybe ~asciilifeform~ does. but you have to ~add~ P(one) to P(the other)...
1709322;1504303770;ben_vulpes;could be!
1709323;1504303783;asciilifeform;whereas if you get from asciilifeform strictly, it's just that one P.
1709324;1504303790;asciilifeform;sorta what the toyota example is about.
1709325;1504304041;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: where can i find out re pokerstars rng ?
1709326;1504304054;asciilifeform;all i found was this http://www.gaminglabs.com/extranetGLI/cmsAdmin/getsplash.asp?i=190
1709327;1504304074;Barbarossa_;iirc I read it on their official blog, but this was a couple years back
1709328;1504304080;asciilifeform;which contains not only no proof of anything, but not even an assertion re what exactly they supposedly use
1709329;1504304105;Barbarossa_;they claimed to fire photons at a semi-transparent mirror hosted somewhere in the Isle of Man
1709330;1504304108;asciilifeform;'We submitted extensive information about our random number generator (RNG) to an independent organization. We asked this trusted resource to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on our platform.'
1709331;1504304123;Barbarossa_;they made/make no pretensions as to verifiability
1709332;1504304135;Barbarossa_;gambers gonna gamble regardless
1709333;1504304144;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: there are commercial rng that use interferometer, yes ( NONE of them auditable by owner, in fact many epoxied and otherwise artificially painful to examine )
1709334;1504304178;asciilifeform;and cheapest i know of, is north of 20,000 usd per
1709335;1504304204;asciilifeform;( and problematic in other ways -- not even shy about using 'whitening' for instance. )
1709336;1504304238;Barbarossa_;fwiw I've never heard a player even ask how they generate the entropy
1709337;1504304271;Barbarossa_;I didn't care myself - until bitcoin existed
1709338;1504304277;asciilifeform;#!s provably fair
1709339;1504304281;asciilifeform;!#s provably fair
1709340;1504304282;a111;93 results for "provably fair", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=provably%20fair
1709341;1504304304;asciilifeform;^ was in fashion for a while. prng is used, and the next day (week, month, etc) seed is published. however,
1709342;1504304322;Barbarossa_;Pokerstars explicity claim TRNG
1709343;1504304324;asciilifeform;this does not actually solve the problem of proving that the output of prng was not known in advance to one or more of the players.
1709344;1504304358;asciilifeform;claiming trng is unprovable. they might have a fg, or they might have a wad of bytes generated in 2014 and designated winners get a copy.
1709345;1504304363;asciilifeform;designated losers -- get 'chance'
1709346;1504304369;Barbarossa_;that has been a problem in the past - a la a site known as Unibet
1709347;1504304386;Barbarossa_;or was it Ultimate Bet? I forget. There have been a lot of scams
1709348;1504304426;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun.
1709349;1504304431;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu !
1709350;1504304453;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: there are arcane approaches to solving the problem mathematically ( see shamir's poker , etc ) but afaik none in battlefield use today.
1709351;1504304490;Barbarossa_;thanks, will read up on it, asciilifeform
1709352;1504304502;asciilifeform;Barbarossa_: meet mircea_popescu
1709353;1504304516;Barbarossa_;hello!
1709354;1504304519;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708972 << would cure nobody, they want it to "how does the shutdown relate to me". the larger half of the whole "left or right can of pepsi" is the subjective impression of "personalization" of can of pepsi.
1709355;1504304519;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 13:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, re 'raw ip addrs hurt me head' folx -- possibly something like http://gurno.com/adam/mne ( e.g. '66.33.193.225 = far-cab-raw-tap' ) would cure'em
1709356;1504304526;mircea_popescu;how goes it.
1709357;1504304546;Barbarossa_;better for having a load of logs to chew through
1709358;1504304562;mircea_popescu;cool.
1709359;1504304589;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708981 << nice!
1709360;1504304589;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 15:38 asciilifeform: display syncs and displays moving (via arrow keys) sprite.
1709361;1504304696;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709048 << at least on linux. not so sure you can run anything like it on windows ?
1709362;1504304696;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 19:45 trinque: asciilifeform: kids do more work installing cracked games and so on than it is to put something in hosts file
1709363;1504304706;mircea_popescu;!~google dns masquerade for windows
1709364;1504304708;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Simple DNS Plus: <http://simpledns.com/>; MaraDNS - a small open-source DNS server: <http://www.maradns.org/>; Dual DHCP DNS Server download | SourceForge.net: <https://sourceforge.net/projects/dhcp-dns-server/>
1709365;1504304711;trinque;am I dating myself here?
1709366;1504304714;asciilifeform;winblowz has a hosts.txt, wat
1709367;1504304717;mircea_popescu;nm, it exists.
1709368;1504304727;mircea_popescu;trinque hm ?
1709369;1504304731;trinque;used to do all kinds of "patch this file in that dir with leethax.exe" when I was in teens
1709370;1504304738;asciilifeform;trinque: still done
1709371;1504304740;mircea_popescu;ah yeah.
1709372;1504304813;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709049 << again, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709022
1709373;1504304813;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 19:45 asciilifeform: trinque ( and others ) : out of curiosity, how many ipv4's do you personally keep in yer head ? ( NOT counting 'magics' , e.g. 127.0.0.1 )
1709374;1504304813;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 19:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point was that by the time they typed in 83 the rest of the "unmemorizable address" is already filled in.
1709375;1504304831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, i'm sold
1709376;1504304836;asciilifeform;trinque convinced.
1709377;1504304847;mircea_popescu;not to mention you know, fucken bookmarks.
1709378;1504304914;asciilifeform;!!up Barbarossa_
1709379;1504304915;deedbot;Barbarossa_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1709380;1504304916;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709065 << for the record, slashdot was named SPECIOFICALLY as to bother lamers. "wait, http:///. ?
1709381;1504304916;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 19:50 ben_vulpes: what as if there are zero with spellable names gtfo
1709382;1504304952;asciilifeform;anykey!
1709383;1504304969;mircea_popescu;there was a time when most ghosts had no idea wtf this http is and how does internets again ?
1709384;1504304975;mircea_popescu;that time was a decade ago.
1709385;1504305003;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709067 << conceivable.
1709386;1504305003;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 19:50 trinque: hypertext on gossipd may sensibly *lack* the notion of "website" entirely.
1709387;1504305015;asciilifeform;i can see where mircea_popescu is going. they had nfi, then some 'kind' soul 'helped'
1709388;1504305020;asciilifeform;and now we have whatwehave.
1709389;1504305032;mircea_popescu;and they still have nfi, and still can  be helped.
1709390;1504305060;mircea_popescu;this is the problem, with pantsuit as prb alike : they lack the capacity to influence reality. at any point, arbitrarily long chain of "progress", unwound at 0 cost.
1709391;1504305062;mircea_popescu;even at a profit.
1709392;1504305206;danielpbarron;Barbarossa_, take your time. also i would not sell you one i already opened; i have plenty still sealed in the electrostatic bag
1709393;1504305255;Barbarossa_;no worries - didn't mean to besmirch your character - just not waste your time
1709394;1504305283;danielpbarron;Barbarossa_, what's the book you mentioned about?
1709395;1504305304;Barbarossa_;"The conflict of Christian faith and American culture"
1709396;1504305309;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709109 << it's not directly clear that search is misuse of hypertext
1709397;1504305309;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 20:05 trinque: are we really trying to preserve every idiotic misuse of hypertext here?
1709398;1504305369;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho trinque hit upon a potentially good 'engineer cut' tho -- separation of 'fetch me this thing, that we know exists' from 'perform the following computation with these-here params'
1709399;1504305391;mircea_popescu;this makes sense ya
1709400;1504305397;trinque;isn't a misuse, yes, but search UI is not implemented with it.
1709401;1504305401;asciilifeform;the former is ffatronic ( bound! ) ; the latter -- potentially unbound
1709402;1504305410;mircea_popescu;in this view the "web" logsearch is really properly "that part of uci you lot intuiutively implemented"
1709403;1504305448;trinque;deedbot vs wot.deedbot.org separation of concern is what I'm driving at, will drive at it more clearly when paybot dislodged from queue.
1709404;1504305475;trinque;specifically publishing is a separate concern from the rest, and would benefit from the fault tolerance proposed.
1709405;1504305477;asciilifeform;separation of flies and cutlets algo works best by starting from the peripheries -- take off the flies which clearly touch only flies, and the cutlerstuff that clearly touches solely cutletstuff.
1709406;1504305480;Barbarossa_;mircea_popescu: Romanian gamblers have warned me to stay away from their womenfolk, no matter how voluptuous - apparently more trouble than worth - good advice?
1709407;1504305483;asciilifeform;then and only then, the middle.
1709408;1504305494;mircea_popescu;Barbarossa_ i have no idea.
1709409;1504305516;trinque;lol, maybe they like their women enough to keep!
1709410;1504305541;Barbarossa_;they don't seem to date them
1709411;1504305542;mircea_popescu;i can't even parse that, wtf is "romanian gamblers", and what is "their womenfolk" and what is voluptuous here and so on.
1709412;1504305570;mircea_popescu;whatever. if you're looking for advice, the correct advice is stay away from women.
1709413;1504305585;Barbarossa_;hot Romanian females deal in the UK; .ro d00ds aren't impressed
1709414;1504305609;mircea_popescu;say what now ?
1709415;1504305625;Barbarossa_;sorry - in UK casinos there are lots of Romanian dealers
1709416;1504305629;mircea_popescu;ok.
1709417;1504305636;mircea_popescu;i had no idea uk even had casinos.
1709418;1504305653;Barbarossa_;ye, gambling is surprisingly lax here
1709419;1504305661;mircea_popescu;what do they do there, eat pringles and show each other their id badges ?
1709420;1504305662;Barbarossa_;basically only freedom we hve
1709421;1504305686;Barbarossa_;more or less
1709422;1504305695;mircea_popescu;sounds very properly uk-dismal.
1709423;1504305730;mircea_popescu;Barbarossa_ write it up sometime, with pics and everything, i'd read. got a blog ?
1709424;1504305796;Barbarossa_;It's a LOT less interesting than you're imagining, I can promise you that
1709425;1504305813;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1709426;1504305834;Barbarossa_;we actually have GTO-approximation software now
1709427;1504305852;Barbarossa_;PIOsolver, for example
1709428;1504305873;mircea_popescu;honestly i wasn't imagining anything beyond a http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/#selection-153.0-153.35 sorta thing.
1709429;1504305880;mircea_popescu;argentines also think they have casinos.
1709430;1504305918;Barbarossa_;haha, the UK casinos are a *little* nicer - but the US has the best I've seen, by far
1709431;1504305960;mircea_popescu;i prefer costa rica, because no access control.
1709432;1504305966;*;mircea_popescu is never showing id to go into a casino, ever.
1709433;1504305999;Barbarossa_;sweet - they're super stringent in the UK; US pretty laid back in my experience
1709434;1504306067;mircea_popescu;i don't know anyone but idiots and poor orcs still in that shithole. romanians fine example of both categories.
1709435;1504306133;Barbarossa_;can't argue with that, though there is admittedly some selection bias: only Romanians I know are professional gamblers
1709436;1504306158;Barbarossa_;they do seem uniquely miserable, though - even by British standards
1709437;1504306184;mircea_popescu;there's loads of "it experts" who get all excited about salaries being slightly higher than in bucharest and then do indescribably stupid bullshit in the vein of undertaking 30 year adjustable mortgages to buy the utter shit that passes for real estate in england and there only.
1709438;1504306215;mircea_popescu;there's also loads of whores, and some migrant gypsies. the latter category possibly only ones who are both having fun and using the uk as it is intended and merits to be used.
1709439;1504306230;Barbarossa_;which is?
1709440;1504306262;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/am-mai-contribuit-si-noi-la-cite-ceva-n-lume/ << a fine example.
1709441;1504306277;mircea_popescu;"She said: ‘These people have just trashed 30 years of my life and thrown it into bin bags. It is soul-destroying.’"
1709442;1504306305;mircea_popescu;considering the old woman in question worked for the uk govt, there are truly fewer things more upright or morally deserving to do than to destroy her soul and throw the bits in the garbage.
1709443;1504306322;Barbarossa_;amen!
1709444;1504306351;mircea_popescu;and the inept copper is trying to flirt with the hussy, in their inept cuckolded way. and she's evidently privy to it, and so is her cousin. (2nd pic)
1709445;1504306681;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709154 << seems the correct solution is the layer of indirection. you do have actual information, which is immutable, and which can be served as urls ; and you have indexing etcetera, which yes is mutable, but which also best lives as an alias layer on top of urls. so in this sense : each line in the log is an url ; the query for "give me the by-day list of archives" just like the query for
1709446;1504306681;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 20:24 asciilifeform: is it a locative ? or an immutable
1709447;1504306681;mircea_popescu;"give me the list of all lines with string x" are not requests for urls per se, but requests for computation. "please interpret the indirection layer and compose a list of urls as a solution to that".
1709448;1504306699;mircea_popescu;now, that in practice these APPEAR mixed, is a matter of little theoretical consequence.
1709449;1504306788;mircea_popescu;but in fact my quering for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01 is a double request : "give me all the lines from the log that fit "2017-09-01" mask, ie from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1707983 to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709360 or w/e.
1709450;1504306823;mircea_popescu;that superficially it appears that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01 is a top node for a set of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#xxxxxx is just unfortunate ; in reality the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#xxxxxx are the topnodes and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01 just a particular mask on them.
1709451;1504306842;asciilifeform;tnelson understood this
1709452;1504306851;asciilifeform;called the xxxxx 'tumblers'
1709453;1504306858;asciilifeform;(1960s...)
1709454;1504306868;asciilifeform;( why -- i still have nfi )
1709455;1504306890;mircea_popescu;right.
1709456;1504306943;mircea_popescu;old style ben_vulpes was an attempt to do exactly this i suspect, we nixed it because too long hashes ; but practical considerations have no theoretical power.
1709457;1504306975;asciilifeform;wai which
1709458;1504307004;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580814 <
1709459;1504307004;a111;Logged on 2016-12-09 23:01 ben_vulpes: in other wwwtronic toyz: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate#1d176a0b-2995-4522-b9bd-b14447c6bec7
1709460;1504307008;asciilifeform;aa
1709461;1504307035;mircea_popescu;it is more ~convenient~ to have the url in phf style, but this convenience does not change the fact that yes, they ARE ben_vulpes style.
1709462;1504307054;mircea_popescu;much like digital notation of transcendents, be it more convenient, does not un-make their transcendence.
1709463;1504307080;ben_vulpes;as an aside, it is obnoxious that anchors are not passed in the request
1709464;1504307088;asciilifeform;www browser was made by monkeys and is ill-equipped to flip b/w variant views of an object
1709465;1504307088;asciilifeform;( or to show any relation b/w objects other than how you ~got to it~, which is wholly incidental to the object ! )
1709466;1504307098;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: htm anchors suck balls
1709467;1504307107;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform human brai nidem, which is why cartesian/polar switching such a problem.
1709468;1504307116;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in exactly same way and for same reason as the rest of www stack
1709469;1504307156;asciilifeform;htm is to actual hypertext as koch is to rsa.
1709470;1504307166;asciilifeform;as ethertardium is to btc, etc
1709471;1504307169;mircea_popescu;poor naggum. if he lived he'd have had something to live for,
1709472;1504307194;mircea_popescu;this is very specifically what they mean by "permanent solution to temporary problem" btw. here we are.
1709473;1504307519;asciilifeform;some mouse bangs against the glass 900 times, others -- 9,000
1709474;1504307529;asciilifeform;no mouse -- infinitely
1709475;1504307564;trinque;isn't any very good reason why phf's style and ben_vulpes's style are both facts expressed in some datastructure, identified by their respective hashes.
1709476;1504307570;trinque;*aren't
1709477;1504307591;trinque;it's a fact there's a log line, and also a fact a phfnode said about it, I saw at time T
1709478;1504307619;asciilifeform;trinque: the other thing, if you are going to put entire weight of the known universe on a hash, gotta specify what happens in case of a collision.
1709479;1504307623;asciilifeform;because it's a when, not an if.
1709480;1504307696;asciilifeform;this is kinda why asciilifeform isn't overly fond of hashing .
1709481;1504307709;asciilifeform;it is a type of fractionalreservebanking.
1709482;1504307737;asciilifeform;worx great until actually pressed to capacity and then suddenly worx not at all.
1709483;1504307763;trinque;can still sign the material pointed to by the hash, if worried.
1709484;1504307782;asciilifeform;that's just another hash.
1709485;1504307805;asciilifeform;point of concern is the indexer -- it has nfi re the signatures or any such detail
1709486;1504307813;asciilifeform;it takes a hash and gives back a warez ( or opposite )
1709487;1504307821;asciilifeform;what is it to do if it has 2+ ?
1709488;1504307831;trinque;there is no "the indexer"
1709489;1504307831;asciilifeform;world -- unravels.
1709490;1504307842;trinque;you asked the indexes of your trusted peers, who asked theirs
1709491;1504307843;asciilifeform;you can't treat hashes as 1:1 with your set.
1709492;1504307848;trinque;and should rank responses accordingly.
1709493;1504307854;trinque;this isn't gnutella flatland
1709494;1504307878;asciilifeform;because 'take this Q, gimme X where H(X)=Q' can resolve to infinitely many X
1709495;1504307900;asciilifeform;trinque: if you worked out a clean answr to this puzzle in your article, i'll enjoy reading
1709496;1504307914;trinque;definitely a point
1709497;1504307940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> that's just another hash. << no, tmsr-rsa does fulltext signing.
1709498;1504307963;asciilifeform;there ain't no such thing as fulltext signing if fulltext is bigger than your modulus ( and padding also takes space )
1709499;1504307977;mircea_popescu;but there is. blocks.
1709500;1504307984;asciilifeform;and how do you prevent rearrangement ?
1709501;1504307992;mircea_popescu;count.
1709502;1504307997;asciilifeform;what means count
1709503;1504308013;mircea_popescu;block 1 : blabla. signed. block 2 : hurrdurr. signed.
1709504;1504308015;asciilifeform;if you split into chunks and sign each chunk, enemy can shuffle'em
1709505;1504308022;mircea_popescu;final block : yadda yadda. signed.
1709506;1504308032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you sign a more complex construct.
1709507;1504308043;asciilifeform;and enemy takes fullblock, block1, and block2 and rearranges on the wire and naowat.
1709508;1504308048;asciilifeform;what means 'more compact construct'
1709509;1504308051;asciilifeform;if not... a hash.
1709510;1504308052;mircea_popescu;nao you re-arrange by the count.
1709511;1504308063;asciilifeform;let's work example ?
1709512;1504308067;mircea_popescu;let's take as sample text "what means 'more compact construct'".
1709513;1504308082;asciilifeform;aite. your block size is 5.
1709514;1504308096;asciilifeform;what are the blocks ?
1709515;1504308140;mircea_popescu;signed material looks as follows : 0001what 0faadd0002means8391240004 'moraff02930005...ffffuct'ajk40009a435aad
1709516;1504308165;mircea_popescu;and you know 9 blocks were signed, and they are as such :
1709517;1504308173;asciilifeform;enemy takes your 0001what someotherdays00002 moraff02930005 .... etc and yer phucked
1709518;1504308186;asciilifeform;he now has an 'alphabet' of signed chunkolade
1709519;1504308191;mircea_popescu; 0001what someotherdays does not check out against faadd
1709520;1504308209;asciilifeform;why not ?
1709521;1504308218;asciilifeform;he takes chunks from diff occasions.
1709522;1504308224;mircea_popescu;because faad is the signature for "0001what " not for "0001otherwhat"
1709523;1504308229;asciilifeform;there is nothing hard-linking the chunks to your particular transmission.
1709524;1504308237;mircea_popescu;the final bit is, yes.
1709525;1504308243;asciilifeform;what's the final bit ?
1709526;1504308260;mircea_popescu;are you pressing me to say "a hash" ?
1709527;1504308268;asciilifeform;well what else is it called.
1709528;1504308272;asciilifeform;can call bzortl if you want.
1709529;1504308275;asciilifeform;but on my planet -- hash.
1709530;1504308277;mircea_popescu;a... digest :D
1709531;1504308281;asciilifeform;lol
1709532;1504308281;trinque;lol
1709533;1504308317;mircea_popescu;i see what you mean, but you've no legs to stand on. suppose each successive block is a successive hash.
1709534;1504308325;mircea_popescu;message-block...chain.
1709535;1504308359;mircea_popescu;"yes, enemy has alphabet of chunks : he knows how to sign ilif every time it comes after asci and is 2nd in ther chain"
1709536;1504308360;trinque;doesn't that successfuly diminish the likelihood of a usable collision?
1709537;1504308364;mircea_popescu;yes.
1709538;1504308369;trinque;*successively.
1709539;1504308369;mircea_popescu;and it's not even the only technique.
1709540;1504308375;asciilifeform;we already established that a hash collision is asteroid event for blockchain.
1709541;1504308378;mircea_popescu;just spur of the moment.
1709542;1504308379;asciilifeform;( old thread )
1709543;1504308400;mircea_popescu;and besides, with a settable hash like mpfhf you can use different size hashes all the time.
1709544;1504308417;mircea_popescu;"hurr durr we know how to sign "cocksucker" whenever they use 93 bit outputs. which is... not now."
1709545;1504308427;asciilifeform;there is no place for blank cheques in network protocol.
1709546;1504308432;mircea_popescu;and by no means mpfhf only settable. keccak will work also.
1709547;1504308433;asciilifeform;gotta fixedtimespace.
1709548;1504308473;mircea_popescu;so, message as chain of message blocks, with acordeon, settable hash. yes it is "possible" to get a collision. if your hash is 512bytes long... not soon.
1709549;1504308480;asciilifeform;hash collisions cannot be fixed by 'we use THIS OTHER hash NAO! haha' because now enemy can monkey with the past.
1709550;1504308486;asciilifeform;the past has no 'now'
1709551;1504308486;mircea_popescu;nobody forces us to use the 32/64 byte crap nsit likes.
1709552;1504308494;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform LONGER hashes.
1709553;1504308503;asciilifeform;yes but you cannot retro-elongate hashes of the past.
1709554;1504308509;mircea_popescu;so who cares.
1709555;1504308519;mircea_popescu;there's no shits given re tmsa-rsa-signature being retrocompatible.
1709556;1504308524;asciilifeform;anyone verifying a freshly synced node?!
1709557;1504308526;asciilifeform;cares.
1709558;1504308533;mircea_popescu;i don't follow.
1709559;1504308537;asciilifeform;i dun mean 'retrocompatible with usg', i mean -- with self.
1709560;1504308554;mircea_popescu;we're talking of different things in the sense you went off on a tangent.
1709561;1504308590;mircea_popescu;the important point is : acordeon hash function set up to spit 256 byte or 512 byte hashes WILL NOT collide.
1709562;1504308592;mircea_popescu;because
1709563;1504308597;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2 ** 256
1709564;1504308598;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2 ** 256 = 1.157920892373162E77
1709565;1504308604;asciilifeform;i don't see a zero
1709566;1504308606;mircea_popescu;e 77, you understand me.
1709567;1504308607;asciilifeform;that ain't a zero.
1709568;1504308617;mircea_popescu;e 77 is how you say zero on earth.
1709569;1504308619;asciilifeform;and nobody promised you a fair roulette here.
1709570;1504308637;asciilifeform;there is NO theoretical proof of strength for any hash algo
1709571;1504308642;asciilifeform;just as there is not for block cipher.
1709572;1504308644;asciilifeform;they are vooodoo.
1709573;1504308646;mircea_popescu;we'l;l soon enough have a practical one.
1709574;1504308654;asciilifeform;0 proof of strength.
1709575;1504308670;trinque;penultimate worst case is that folks republish their items in the case of hashpocalypse. and they tell their trusted peers. and it propagates over wot.
1709576;1504308674;mircea_popescu;tell you what, i also have no proof in your sense the slavegirls ain't cheating on me.
1709577;1504308685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i did not say 'let's all quit using hashes', nao
1709578;1504308685;trinque;worst case is the original publisher is dead, and all you've got are whoever cared about him.
1709579;1504308689;asciilifeform;but did say 'fractional reserve'
1709580;1504308691;asciilifeform;which is IS.
1709581;1504308692;trinque;and they republish what they've got. like all history.
1709582;1504308704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fraction is so small as to be below heisenberg limits. this matters.
1709583;1504308721;asciilifeform;only if it's an ideal roulette
1709584;1504308728;asciilifeform;and not a 'year is 2020 and keccak broke'
1709585;1504308728;mircea_popescu;huge difference between sub-heisenberg fractional and super-heisenberg fractional.
1709586;1504308744;mircea_popescu;gotta find out somehow.
1709587;1504308775;asciilifeform;in other walks of life, when, e.g., building bridge, there is a notion of material strength
1709588;1504308790;asciilifeform;you know roughly how much stress a thing can take, before you put stress on it
1709589;1504308794;asciilifeform;we have no such thing for hash.
1709590;1504308818;asciilifeform;( and i say this after making 'v', where proposed to put all of human knowledge to sit on hash! lol )
1709591;1504308857;mircea_popescu;for the record, si heisenberg limit is 10^-34
1709592;1504308862;asciilifeform;i'd like to find what trinque had in mind re accounting for collisions. ( but let's encourage him to put it in the article! )
1709593;1504308986;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu it so happens that i have what looks like a solution to 'sign a TB with a 4096bit key with no hash'
1709594;1504308992;asciilifeform;or rather not i have one, but
1709595;1504308993;asciilifeform;luby has one.
1709596;1504309001;mircea_popescu;possibru
1709597;1504309004;asciilifeform;( now it should be obvious how )
1709598;1504309017;mircea_popescu;no, i was expecting that's what you want ever since pushing me above.
1709599;1504309030;mircea_popescu;and i don't think it's necessarily a bad solution, which is why i said there are others.
1709600;1504309035;asciilifeform;grind luby's soliton distribution, and you get a calculably vanishing probability of failure
1709601;1504309040;asciilifeform;sorta like in miller-rabin.
1709602;1504309104;asciilifeform;for n00bz, i'll review : cut into chunks C1,C2,...,Cn; then sign, S(C1 xor C2), S(C2,C3,C9999), S(C5), etc. with the 'soliton' providing the arity
1709603;1504309130;asciilifeform;ideally you'd have no 1-aries , for reason discussed earlier
1709604;1504309143;mircea_popescu;you can chose an arbitrary large prime and have that arity.
1709605;1504309146;asciilifeform;then verify by unlubying.
1709606;1504309163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's potentially infinitely many ways to lubyate
1709607;1504309167;mircea_popescu;right.
1709608;1504309176;mircea_popescu;so as i was saying -- we don't have to usg.dumb sign anything.
1709609;1504309183;asciilifeform;that goes withoutsaying lol
1709610;1504309196;mircea_popescu;aite then
1709611;1504309216;asciilifeform;lulzily, the above result contradicts the 'literature'
1709612;1504309229;asciilifeform;where whatshisface 'proved' that public key signatures are impossible w/out hashing.
1709613;1504309235;mircea_popescu;right.
1709614;1504309236;asciilifeform;('trapdoors must exist')
1709615;1504309241;mircea_popescu;good thing we didn't read the pdfs.
1709616;1504309242;asciilifeform;youreaditherephirst.
1709617;1504309258;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709173 << this is how everything was ever done in the field.
1709618;1504309258;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 20:51 asciilifeform: ( the www people simply pissed on the problem, african-style, and didn't even pretend to solve )
1709619;1504309280;mircea_popescu;"what if we pretend problem doesn't exist ?" "well... it'll catch up with you eventually" "But after i vest, right ?" "probably..."
1709620;1504309298;asciilifeform;'leave town before check bounces' aha
1709621;1504309312;mircea_popescu;quite. though usually in the manner of "i just want my pension"
1709622;1504309366;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709181 << quite. and as the femme alf says, "they don't even know it exists".
1709623;1504309366;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 20:57 trinque: www itself is an incaism. death to "it was said on arsebook walled garden; lives and dies at the mercy of arsebook"
1709624;1504309382;asciilifeform;lol
1709625;1504309382;mircea_popescu;btw am i the only one HIGHLY entertained by the internets producing a girl alf ?
1709626;1504309506;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709189 << likely eventually.
1709627;1504309506;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 21:29 Barbarossa_: any chance of a price cut for FUCKGOATS w BTC @ ATH?
1709628;1504309512;mircea_popescu;oh, he split.
1709629;1504309623;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in black-on-white, http://68.media.tumblr.com/035803b1154f5d585d3a69f6fdf57692/tumblr_nwx6npsjWw1u9uov7o1_500.gif
1709630;1504309732;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709230 << you should see the http://trilema.com/2017/tute/ shuffling, its something else. so, dealer spreads cards on the table and rubs his hands on them in a circular pattern sometimes distrurbign the player's chip stacks.
1709631;1504309732;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 21:42 Barbarossa_: well, 6 riffle shuffles are enough for us ;)
1709632;1504309772;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709625 << hashcollision!11
1709633;1504309772;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 23:43 mircea_popescu: btw am i the only one HIGHLY entertained by the internets producing a girl alf ?
1709634;1504309797;asciilifeform;oh and hey remember the idiot anglos who pictured 'girl mircea'
1709635;1504309801;mircea_popescu;hey, at least yours has the best rack of the alf-right or how did that go.
1709636;1504309825;asciilifeform;aha!
1709637;1504309838;mircea_popescu;a, yeah, she was also hawt.
1709638;1504309838;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/mircea-mircea-monroe/
1709639;1504309840;trinque;this is not persuading me of the hazards of hashcollision
1709640;1504309857;mircea_popescu;the DUKES of hazards of hashcollisions, trinque.
1709641;1504309865;trinque;haw
1709642;1504309869;trinque;where's that oglaf
1709643;1504309887;trinque;https://oglaf.com/isle-of-tits/
1709644;1504309949;shinohai;^ best oglaf EVAH
1709645;1504309961;mircea_popescu;loller.
1709646;1504309972;mircea_popescu;i still think the best ever is the magic of denial one.
1709647;1504310004;asciilifeform;runner up nominate, 'the restless dead vote', and 'sword fucks your wife at night'
1709648;1504310029;mircea_popescu;yeah, srsly. lots of good ones.
1709649;1504310043;shinohai;!~later tell jurov I wish to donate my s.qntra shares this month to the bitcoin foundation. Please advise how to proceed, thx.
1709650;1504310043;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1709651;1504310047;mircea_popescu;the girls love the "ne futem sau evadam ?" "fuff. mai fimflu" one. which only exists in romanian.
1709652;1504310048;asciilifeform;why the author is not here, remains a puzzler
1709653;1504310079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform didn't want to commission back in 2013 or so because i don't recall, something about how doesn't want to lose the spirit or somesuch.
1709654;1504310114;asciilifeform;wasn't even thinking of commission. but abstract 'here'
1709655;1504310119;asciilifeform;as in , speaking .
1709656;1504310119;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1709657;1504310131;mircea_popescu;conceivably, same.
1709658;1504310318;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709309 << this works well for hookers, blow, beers, pizza, generally consumables.
1709659;1504310318;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 22:06 asciilifeform: though i've thought about suggesting to mircea_popescu to offer hand-delivery ( chore would fall to asciilifeform... ) as an option. but i dun like nonflat prices
1709660;1504310322;mircea_popescu;not so much for capital goods.
1709661;1504310341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: proposed strictly as an answer to the provenance thing
1709662;1504310347;asciilifeform;i.e. no dirty usg postman hands
1709663;1504310355;mircea_popescu;not a good answer. courier can get ambushed just as well.
1709664;1504310367;mircea_popescu;what, you're going to arm them too ? with what, submarines ?
1709665;1504310385;asciilifeform;and asciilifeform can be replaced with ninjashogun right here in his chair neh. idea is to reduce the layers to 1.
1709666;1504310411;mircea_popescu;there's no actual reduction ; just an expensive, bug ridden implementation of half of usmail
1709667;1504310415;asciilifeform;but i dun know that anybody wants to pay for what it costs to deliver this way, unless he lives across the street.
1709668;1504310465;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i beg to differ, if unit hangs around asciilifeform's neck from door to door, it's a layer reduction and not == to usmail.
1709669;1504310486;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709330 << this trusted, anonymous item. sounds like fiat thought process, that strand of fatlogic.\
1709670;1504310486;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 22:15 asciilifeform: 'We submitted extensive information about our random number generator (RNG) to an independent organization. We asked this trusted resource to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on our platform.'
1709671;1504310496;asciilifeform;ikr?
1709672;1504310517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this impression is borne out of lack of experience and no more. what, i'm going to assembly line phds ?
1709673;1504310519;asciilifeform;almost like 'trusted' were just a cardboard propeller on a straw airplane to these folx
1709674;1504310540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in point of fact folx can and do sometimes pay for phd to make an appearance at an assembly line.
1709675;1504310544;asciilifeform;depends on the occasion neh.
1709676;1504310569;mircea_popescu;true. but not really a bread and butter thing.
1709677;1504310574;asciilifeform;wasn't proposed as a standard part of fg delivery lol
1709678;1504310579;mircea_popescu;thanks heavens.
1709679;1504310580;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is not made of rubber.
1709680;1504310602;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709343 << dooglus 's implementation actually solved that.
1709681;1504310602;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 22:18 asciilifeform: this does not actually solve the problem of proving that the output of prng was not known in advance to one or more of the players.
1709682;1504310617;asciilifeform;oh -- how ?
1709683;1504310627;mircea_popescu;the reason i kept trying to get him to be involved with things was exactly that he had good solutions to actual problems. but... never caught on.
1709684;1504310653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seed is a combo of site-produced TRNG entropy and player-set (with defaults if playher doesn't feel like setting). you can change your portion at any time.
1709685;1504310676;mircea_popescu;conceptually equivalent to sha(site+player1) etc.
1709686;1504310692;asciilifeform;what does the end-of-play reveal look like ?
1709687;1504310718;mircea_popescu;site publishes site + player, player can verify that published player = what he thought he was and that the sha results match (published)
1709688;1504310764;asciilifeform;does it publish 'and then player 9000 changed his nonce at time 100' etc ?
1709689;1504310764;asciilifeform;that'd make sense.
1709690;1504310764;asciilifeform;nifty.
1709691;1504310770;mircea_popescu;concrete example : you set your seed to "i like chicks with small tits", site sets seed to "71c0891f45d65ff7"
1709692;1504310825;mircea_popescu;then the first hand is played as 0c3dbf77a25ebe9733548266406161111522839d1d41f221070e59c361f6b2b0990df0606d143e90b1bb9ed1a9b39ff5fcf0ac153cc0e90297f1273076fcf38c
1709693;1504310830;asciilifeform;this reduces to shamir's algo dunnit.
1709694;1504310831;*;asciilifeform gets
1709695;1504310833;asciilifeform;of course you still can't prove that the house was not 'btcmining' the hash
1709696;1504310838;mircea_popescu;and then when the reveal occurs, you sha512(i like chicks with small tits71c0891f45d65ff7) and see.
1709697;1504310841;asciilifeform;and that all the other players' nonces aren't hashwaltzes
1709698;1504310851;mircea_popescu;this was for casino style games.
1709699;1504310855;mircea_popescu;ie, you against the house.
1709700;1504310855;asciilifeform;esp if 'anyone can change his nonce whenever'
1709701;1504310868;asciilifeform;then especially how can you prove absence of waltz
1709702;1504310885;mircea_popescu;and it doesn't work without withening ; or in other words : he intelligently used the otherwise useless whitening step as an assurance provider. was pretty clever move, esp considering the standard for intelligence at the time.
1709703;1504310898;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do you mean by waltz ?
1709704;1504310917;asciilifeform;walk the nonces until the hash output comes out in favour of house
1709705;1504310924;asciilifeform;( the nonces OTHER than yours )
1709706;1504310928;mircea_popescu;house uses the same hash for all players for the whole day.
1709707;1504310939;asciilifeform;let's say poker
1709708;1504310944;mircea_popescu;that's what it means "house", in this new paradigm.
1709709;1504310955;asciilifeform;how to prove that the other N-1 players, other than yourself, ain't sybils
1709710;1504310967;asciilifeform;who change their nonces specifically when it would benefit the house, and in such a way as to.
1709711;1504310972;mircea_popescu;again, this was for casino games, not poker. he never implemented multiplayer afaik.
1709712;1504310974;asciilifeform;'house' being them
1709713;1504310986;asciilifeform;for house games would work
1709714;1504310992;mircea_popescu;it's what it was used for.
1709715;1504310994;asciilifeform;aite.
1709716;1504310997;asciilifeform;clever
1709717;1504311002;mircea_popescu;anyway, we had a good solution with poker, but it never got implemented.
1709718;1504311011;mircea_popescu;and ima not talk about it, because fuck it.
1709719;1504311019;asciilifeform;lol i was about to say.
1709720;1504311033;asciilifeform;(why free gift to derps)
1709721;1504311043;mircea_popescu;right
1709722;1504311071;asciilifeform;!#s cryptographic poker
1709723;1504311071;a111;2 results for "cryptographic poker", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cryptographic%20poker
1709724;1504311077;asciilifeform;it ain't a virgin field
1709725;1504311092;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform does not specifically favour any of the published algo
1709726;1504311102;mircea_popescu;anyway, very much a http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ : i was the first investor afaik, his site was going great, thgen the (canadian) government stepped in and burned down the respectable business of an intelligent citizen.
1709727;1504311126;mircea_popescu;then they want to talk about "Gdp growth" and "technology". fuck them in the ass with a pike of stupid, there's no technology in north america, and no gdp growth.
1709728;1504311143;*;shinohai likes how original satoshi BTC code haz built-in pokar room
1709729;1504311144;asciilifeform;was this in the great pokerholocausting?
1709730;1504311161;mircea_popescu;nah, i don't recall what the site was called, but dice something.
1709731;1504311175;mircea_popescu;i dunno why you're so fixated on poker, this was just early bitcoin business.
1709732;1504311184;asciilifeform;shinohai: aha, iirc some 'i am shitoshi'-flavoured sc4mz0r even tried to make use of the fact to 'prove' his case
1709733;1504311237;mircea_popescu;!#s "justdice"
1709734;1504311238;a111;32 results for "\"justdice\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22justdice%22
1709735;1504311238;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nitpick was not specific to poker, applies to any 3+party game
1709736;1504311242;mircea_popescu;that.
1709737;1504311254;asciilifeform;aah
1709738;1504311271;asciilifeform;where did these go.
1709739;1504311277;shinohai;It was the most recent hoaxtoshi, tried releasing code that is publicly available if one digs hard enough
1709740;1504311278;asciilifeform;somehow never hear about'em no moar
1709741;1504311292;shinohai;I mean *I* have a copy on my site
1709742;1504311302;asciilifeform;shinohai: it was in 0.1
1709743;1504311304;shinohai;I MUST BE SATOSHI
1709744;1504311321;mircea_popescu;shinohoshi
1709745;1504311615;mircea_popescu;and in other "here's a trilema article to translate lol", http://trilema.com/2010/am-o-idee/
1709746;1504311624;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709672 << to briefly revisit this lul -- reaction was to d00d who walked in and 'i'd even pay 20x moar for fg!' but he dun particularly want 20 fg. so suppose to give him for what to 20x moar.
1709747;1504311624;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 00:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this impression is borne out of lack of experience and no more. what, i'm going to assembly line phds ?
1709748;1504311640;asciilifeform;*for what to pay
1709749;1504311662;mircea_popescu;ah. you know you souind a little like a hooker ? "customer wanted to pay more for drinks so i figured what the hell, ima go home with him. am i fired ?"
1709750;1504311673;mircea_popescu;"no, just come to work on heels and nothing else tomorrow"
1709751;1504311717;asciilifeform;moar of a 'for 10,000 i'll drill own hole'(tm)(r)
1709752;1504311739;mircea_popescu;hehe
1709753;1504311745;mircea_popescu;same thing!!!
1709754;1504311777;asciilifeform;it is innit.
1709755;1504311785;mircea_popescu;kinda
1709756;1504311836;asciilifeform;anyway almost whole point of how fg is made is so as this is not esp. appealing.
1709757;1504311846;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1709758;1504311849;asciilifeform;dun have to be carried in arse or under guard etc
1709759;1504311900;asciilifeform;fiatola derps fixate on chains of custody because they can't verify jackshit
1709760;1504311972;asciilifeform;'is this gold bar or tungstenlulz' 'we can lose the tail end of it + potentiallywholething to find out, ohjoy!'
1709761;1504315077;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/#comment-122849 << literatureprizewinner!?1
1709762;1504316447;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what that is.
1709763;1504316452;mircea_popescu;weirdos abound.
1709764;1504316692;mod6;haha, that was all over the place.
1709765;1504316870;mircea_popescu;meaningful fiction is hard.
1709766;1504317098;hanbot;Stanislav Datsokgivsky << straight outta that "Cheap Detective" Neil Simon parody where everyone east of the mississip is AdjectiveNounVerbski
1709767;1504317165;mircea_popescu;oh is that the one where they mash casablanca, to have and have not, the maltese falcon etc together, leslie nelson style ?
1709768;1504317176;hanbot;that's the one
1709769;1504317193;mircea_popescu;pity they had that schmuck in it, what's his name.
1709770;1504317205;mircea_popescu;the short dood with bad diction, was in a buncha tv detective shows
1709771;1504317558;hanbot;iono, phtephen mcstature
1709772;1504317564;mircea_popescu;lol
1709773;1504317729;mircea_popescu;peter falk
1709774;1504321580;ag3nt_zer0;Hello TMSR... trying to implement trb here. What is the proper way to "save the PGP public keys" before placing them in .wot? Do I simply copy the entirety of the text (including -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----) revealed at the link provided by deedbot, place that into a text editor, and then save as .asc?
1709775;1504321745;mod6;yes.
1709776;1504321768;mod6;name the files like, 'mod6.asc', 'asciilifeform.asc', etc.
1709777;1504321825;mod6;you want to paste everything through '-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----'
1709778;1504323007;ag3nt_zer0;ok tyvm :)
1709779;1504323059;mod6;np, gl!
1709780;1504326076;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1709781;1504326088;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4864.01, vol: 17307.21357500 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4855.3, vol: 33254.43085696 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4882.03, vol: 5321.89464584 | Volume-weighted last average: 4860.54304793
1709782;1504326469;BingoBoingo;!!up needhelpwithnode
1709783;1504326469;deedbot;needhelpwithnode voiced for 30 minutes.
1709784;1504326511;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/september-begins-with-still-deepening-fiat-malaise/ << Qntra - September Begins With Still Deepening Fiat Malaise
1709785;1504326689;needhelpwithnode;thanks bingo bongo
1709786;1504326808;needhelpwithnode;I have a story to share with you big whales
1709787;1504327060;mod6;ok
1709788;1504327077;needhelpwithnode;basically i was lonely and was looking to have some human affection/love. So going back to home i converted an hidden amount of btc to 50 eur, cashed out at the ATM, and started to looking forward for Street hookers. I'm generally afraid to do it because if my country police catch you talking for business with a pro, there is a very big fine (500 e
1709789;1504327077;needhelpwithnode;uros)
1709790;1504327160;needhelpwithnode;(this fine only applies to cheap Street prostitution, since the cool kids cannot morally stand an half naked woman doin her job, doin it at home is perfectly legit and no fine applies)
1709791;1504327238;mod6;ah
1709792;1504327300;trinque;starting to see what node he wanted help with
1709793;1504327387;needhelpwithnode;then appears this super cute girl (at least for my standards), she's 20, very hot romanian girl. Scared as fuck and proactively looking for police to eventually flee the zone, i approach her and she tolds me that for 30 bombs, she can have good time with me in the car
1709794;1504327565;mircea_popescu;50 euro hookers ?
1709795;1504327590;needhelpwithnode;i'm totally ok with the price, but only later, when we are in the car and she show me her just remade 7k euros fake titties, I realize that I'm an emotional guy and the vulva of this girl is not turning on me at all
1709796;1504327608;needhelpwithnode;mircea_popescu: 30
1709797;1504327628;mircea_popescu;where the hell is this, cheaper than here even.
1709798;1504327683;needhelpwithnode;well but likes shared VPNs, with such prices you cannot have nothing to expect aside of the physical action
1709799;1504327706;needhelpwithnode;the girl is simply cannot dedicate resources to you
1709800;1504327716;needhelpwithnode;***the girl simply
1709801;1504327730;needhelpwithnode;but going on with the story
1709802;1504327837;needhelpwithnode;she realizes that I'm not turned on, and then tells me: baby, I don't have much time to spend here cause i need to continue working
1709803;1504328027;needhelpwithnode;I try to explain to her my delicate situation having her standing in front of my stomach. She try to fix the situation in a harsh way telling me "should i go up your little friend?"
1709804;1504328128;needhelpwithnode;To cut a not too long story short: i just hugged her, and had no ejaculation of any kind
1709805;1504328139;mircea_popescu;there's kinds ?
1709806;1504328233;needhelpwithnode;well, after this I realized to have wasted 30 euros, but even more sadly, wasted bitcoin to have something that is really difficult and expensive to buy
1709807;1504328288;mircea_popescu;blesfully.
1709808;1504328848;mircea_popescu;94.185.74.247 for the record.
1709809;1504329824;mod6;shinohai: hey, thanks the donation Sir.
1709810;1504332427;mircea_popescu;https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/20/technology/theyre-trying-to-sue-a-white-supremacist-first-he-must-be-found.html in other lulz.
1709811;1504333652;mircea_popescu;mostly for the lulzy "A team of four people hired by the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center to serve Mr. Anglin with notice of a lawsuit accusing him of leading a “troll army” have failed. They scoured parts of Ohio, where Mr. Anglin is from, and talked to his brother; they went to his father’s counseling office; they drove around his sister’s church. When they saw someone was home at an apartment affiliated with h
1709812;1504333652;mircea_popescu;im, they staked it out. The fruitless search for him exemplifies the challenges that online harassment cases sometimes encounter.
1709813;1504333665;mircea_popescu;totally, trying to harass people ain't always easy.
1709814;1504333825;mircea_popescu;but anyway, as per usual : the usg focusing on idiots, trying to build "legal precedent" on the basis of pursuing people too feebleminded to as much as find their way here.
1709815;1504333846;mircea_popescu;then supposedly "as to the mentally retarded, so for everyone, tis teh caselaws!" or somesuch bullshit.
1709816;1504352541;BingoBoingo;It's just what USG does. Brings everyone down to retard precedent.
1709817;1504352926;BingoBoingo;In other lulz, Google, after inventing a holding company for itself 'Alphabet' has invented a holding company for that 'XXVI'
1709818;1504357938;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709817 << why invent revenue streams, best "re-invent itself" aka "redecoration".
1709819;1504357938;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 11:48 BingoBoingo: In other lulz, Google, after inventing a holding company for itself 'Alphabet' has invented a holding company for that 'XXVI'
1709820;1504357994;mircea_popescu;!!up barpub
1709821;1504357994;deedbot;barpub voiced for 30 minutes.
1709822;1504357999;mircea_popescu;who were ye again /
1709823;1504358327;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709812 << usg.riaa had no problems with trials and verdicts in absentia; wai nao ?
1709824;1504358327;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 06:27 mircea_popescu: im, they staked it out. The fruitless search for him exemplifies the challenges that online harassment cases sometimes encounter.
1709825;1504358362;mircea_popescu;i dunno. cuz they know he's an imbecile and dun wanna miss out on the presence ?
1709826;1504358375;asciilifeform;aah hm.
1709827;1504358402;mircea_popescu;there's a composite value, and i suppose they're aware the "this is what our SOPS said nyah" portion is just about epsilon.
1709828;1504358432;mircea_popescu;the "this dood we chose for not being mp -- isn't mp, so nyah, no mps do or can exist" portion is apparently what they're after.
1709829;1504358496;asciilifeform;the previous tard picked for this - one spencer - was spent. so i suppose new one needed.
1709830;1504358576;asciilifeform;also bonus, i expect they are working to kick the dog, hoping for a mcveigh
1709831;1504358589;mircea_popescu;amusingly this whole thing stems out of : some obnoxiouys pantsuit hag started harassing that spencer dude's mom, to get her to "disown" her son and donate his inheritance to the nigger fund or some shit. THAT part was a-ok ; but when this dork put some words on a website and as a result THOUSANDS of people told that woman what a shitstain she is, THEN it became scandalous.
1709832;1504358611;mircea_popescu;because you know, how dare the pantsuit misbehaviours THAT ARE OH-SO SOCIALLY SUPPORTED not be socially supported at all!
1709833;1504358621;mircea_popescu;so let's make a trial about not-that and be right about it vicariously!
1709834;1504358725;mircea_popescu;(that being the idea here, the shit-piss-licker center isn't suing about "is it ok for a meg ryan wanna-be to try and defraud an old woman into giving her all the moneyz". it's suing about "is it ok for fraudster specializing in old women to be told off by the public if she's defrauding for the dnc!")
1709835;1504358972;asciilifeform;fraud ( or murder, watever ) under usg krysha is a-ok, who's about to punish it
1709836;1504358993;asciilifeform;certainly not the old cuck
1709837;1504359009;mircea_popescu;not a great trump fan, are ye
1709838;1504359049;asciilifeform;hey when balloon was still full of air, looked great
1709839;1504359218;asciilifeform;today - only sad skin left.
1709840;1504359849;mircea_popescu;i dun recall that time lol
1709841;1504360152;asciilifeform;recall, the brochure, where 'close most fed agencies', 'defund warmism', etc etc
1709842;1504360197;mircea_popescu;i've not bothered to actually do an eval.
1709843;1504360209;mircea_popescu;but i can tell you the clinton foundation "gender" derps are well defunded.
1709844;1504360212;mircea_popescu;about to rape some here.
1709845;1504360499;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the maryjane files, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cd2fe3a2625b43210a53db66eb14d463/tumblr_nwn3cakN4u1usvqwuo1_1280.jpg
1709846;1504361090;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-july-august-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), July-August 2017 Statement
1709847;1504363068;shinohai;http://archive.is/1otw0   <<< Moar SONIC WAVEZZZZ!!!!!!
1709848;1504365326;asciilifeform;lol!!
1709849;1504365348;asciilifeform;when usg does this to halfwit dissenters, it's a schizo diagnosis and a one way ticket to padded room
1709850;1504365360;asciilifeform;when done to usg -- 'atrocity'
1709851;1504365417;mircea_popescu;cuban ministry "uhm... i'm pretty sure they were this way when we got 'em. americans with brain injury, amirite ?"
1709852;1504365489;shinohai;"So we're good here"
1709853;1504365669;shinohai;http://archive.is/ccLzJ   <<< A new "sekoor" debian-ish distro for BTC, contains only spv wallet
1709854;1504365699;asciilifeform;lol debian rng
1709855;1504365703;mircea_popescu;of course.
1709856;1504365794;*;mircea_popescu feels the need to put http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-july-august-2017-statement/#selection-1029.0-1045.44 into the log : 
1709857;1504365795;mircea_popescu;"To put the matter in simple terms : next time you get a "black chix code" itch and feel like vomiting your idiocy in the shape of "patches" and "code submissions", seriously consider writing strings on your tits instead. It's infinitely easier to clean up, and it ends up costing us less money! This is what true ecology is all about, ye ken ?"
1709858;1504365884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: still tearing prbisms out of the graphics libs, or wat
1709859;1504365903;*;asciilifeform has only surface knowledge of euloratronics
1709860;1504365920;mircea_popescu;not even gfx libs.
1709861;1504366042;mircea_popescu;but yes, by the time code costs a buck a line to NOT exist, i'm considering a bullet per "IT expert" "github developer" etc head would be way the fuck cheaper.
1709862;1504366055;mircea_popescu;next 20 btc goes to bomb cars in bay area, not to fucking code cleanup.
1709863;1504366094;mircea_popescu;!~google how many bomb cars could i buy for 100`000 dollars in san francisco
1709864;1504366096;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: What people say about making $120,000 in Silicon Valley ...: <http://www.businessinsider.com/what-people-say-about-making-120000-in-silicon-valley-2016-6>; How Much You Have To Work To Make $100000 ... - Business Insider: <http://www.businessinsider.com/where-to-work-to-to-make-100000-driving-for-uber-lyft-and-sidecar-2015-1>; Here's What A $100,000 Salary Gets You In 20 Global Cities ...: (1 more message)
1709865;1504366113;mircea_popescu;check out the artificial intelligence!
1709866;1504366113;asciilifeform;y'mean there's still a hole b/w there and mircea_popescu's eulora kitchen ?! big enough for ants ?
1709867;1504366137;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope. nevertheless, i can't shoot people in the past.
1709868;1504366152;mircea_popescu;i gotta shoot people in the present so they don't befoul the future in the manner they befouled the present through existing in the past.
1709869;1504366173;mircea_popescu;but yes, i'd very much like to kill the present crop of "it experts" "github developers" etc as babies if possible. rather than as adults.
1709870;1504366205;asciilifeform;https://youtu.be/qj4BzME7c-o?t=25s << oblig ancient lul
1709871;1504366250;mircea_popescu;imagine, you know, getting ian "debian was the early apple appstore" murdock into a terrible, decapitating bike accident at age 5, rather than waiting for him to be fucking forty and get it from its own team.
1709872;1504366314;shinohai;https://github.com/owocki/pytrader   <<< "My test portfolio was initialized with a 1 BTC deposit, and after 2 months and 23,413 trades, exited with 0.955 BTC. The system paid 2.486 BTC in fees to poloniex."
1709873;1504366319;shinohai;SUCCESS!!!!
1709874;1504366356;asciilifeform;( summary: partizan boy going barmy; column is advancing, but he stops to shoot a hitler poster in the mud. each bullet he imagines unbombs a house, underds buncha prisoners 'from' gasenwagen, armies disassemble, etc, time unwinds. )
1709875;1504366369;asciilifeform;*unherds
1709876;1504366407;asciilifeform;shinohai: lol !
1709877;1504366422;mircea_popescu;sounds exactly right,m at that
1709878;1504366448;shinohai;I'm sure the Baloney exchange appreciates these advances in AI and machine lurnin
1709879;1504366456;asciilifeform;shinohai: recall http://btcbase.org/log/2013-02-17#-120762 ?
1709880;1504366456;a111;Logged on 2013-02-17 02:04 asciilifeform: zanz: I made 0.4 BTC (or 1.4 BTC, depending on how you count) using MPEX
1709881;1504366460;asciilifeform;and without even a bot...
1709882;1504366510;shinohai;^ heh that was when I was still doing my 6 month novitiate log reading
1709883;1504366546;asciilifeform;shinohai: i had a somewhat nonstandard 'bootcamp' tour.
1709884;1504367006;asciilifeform;'...people-say-about-making-120000-in-silicon-valley-2016-6...' << that's quite like 20 in the normal swamp
1709885;1504367040;mircea_popescu;yeah, somehow all the abundance of "commentary", exploratory-creative as it is, fails to fucking mention "120k" actually means 70k post tax, and -5k post rent.
1709886;1504367048;asciilifeform;... or maybe not even. i met people who get 20 here in ye olde swamp and still have a flat to himself, rather than barrack
1709887;1504367067;mircea_popescu;da fuck bitch, when i say make 120k i MEAN make 120k. wtf is this "hey, congrats on your 120cough70" bullshit.
1709888;1504367119;mircea_popescu;the "oh, tax goes without saying" lulz is rapidly becoming the lightningrod of imperial dorkitude. really, bitch, tax ? and what else, gender fluidity ?
1709889;1504367187;asciilifeform;not only tax. old associate of asciilifeform's thought he was clever , went off to taiwan, keeping same (tele) job. found himself with 'cost of living adjust' to half the pay the next month.
1709890;1504367232;asciilifeform;what does tax even mean when you're paid in sov scrip to begin with.
1709891;1504367300;asciilifeform;( d00d wasn't a monkey, had an actual skill, even, a db massageur and imho a good one )
1709892;1504367646;mircea_popescu;ahahaha WHAT
1709893;1504367677;mircea_popescu;in similar news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/308e27164c7a1e482c036fb35b0c5878/tumblr_no7i7cu55O1s94pn6o1_500.gif
1709894;1504367721;asciilifeform;lol i gotta wonder, do they draw straws, short straw gets the ear
1709895;1504367729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how is that supposed to work anyway, like argentine's notion of rental agreements, "We decided to increase rent" ?
1709896;1504367770;mircea_popescu;i dunno if i ever recounted that lulz, was a buncha dorks, "um... we would like more money" "that's nice. so would i"
1709897;1504367773;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suppose it works by 'at will employment, we do whatever we feel like, incl. fuck your ear, and if you dun like it go find another plantation'
1709898;1504367796;mircea_popescu;sure thang lol.
1709899;1504367835;mircea_popescu;i had nfi taiwan was cheap anyway. isn't that where they stack like sardines, moreso than in london ?
1709900;1504367864;asciilifeform;just about anywhere short of mars is cheap vs usa
1709901;1504367888;mircea_popescu;no way lol.
1709902;1504367898;mircea_popescu;usa is one of the cheaper.
1709903;1504367920;asciilifeform;not the part of usa where employed folx live, lol
1709904;1504367937;asciilifeform;( if he had moved to montana prolly would have gotten similar cut )
1709905;1504367953;mircea_popescu;now, specifically re san francisco, it's not THAT much worse than london/moscow and way the fuck cheaper than shanghai.
1709906;1504367997;asciilifeform;nah, 300k$ buys you (with title) an actual flat in moscow
1709907;1504368004;mircea_popescu;where ?
1709908;1504368058;asciilifeform;maybe not by the mausoleum lol but ~in~ moscow, and in places where trains go.
1709909;1504368067;mircea_popescu;same exact situation in frisco.
1709910;1504368075;asciilifeform;not afaik.
1709911;1504368085;mircea_popescu;2-300k will buy you flat "in san francisco, where trains go"
1709912;1504368087;asciilifeform;i dun think 300 buys a doghouse there, within 3 hrs of anywhere.
1709913;1504368113;mircea_popescu;yes, but your thinking is in the vein of free image association.
1709914;1504368117;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform's research is several yrs old, the last time he turned down various 'come to sf' nonsense
1709915;1504368172;asciilifeform;i'ma let phf answer whether i hallucinated re moscow.
1709916;1504368184;mircea_popescu;https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2122-Shelter-Creek-Ln-San-Bruno-CA-94066/15623598_zpid/ << point in case.
1709917;1504368208;mircea_popescu;!~google 490 sqft in human terms
1709918;1504368209;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: A Guide to Square Footage w/ Real Life Examples - Platinum ...: <https://www.platinumpropertiesnyc.com/blog/guide-square-footage-w-real-life-examples>; Square Feet to Square Centimeters conversion: <http://www.metric-conversions.org/area/square-feet-to-square-centimeters.htm>; What Does 100 Square Feet Really Look Like? | Apartment Therapy: (1 more message)
1709919;1504368220;mircea_popescu;heh. so very artificial, this intelligence.
1709920;1504368220;asciilifeform;'HOA 350/mo' lol!!
1709921;1504368223;asciilifeform;that ain't ownership
1709922;1504368234;asciilifeform;that's 'buy and hey you still gotta pay rent, idjit'
1709923;1504368264;mircea_popescu;im sorry, flats in moscow are free of condo encumberments ?
1709924;1504368290;asciilifeform;i dun think they yet invented this scam in orclandia
1709925;1504368309;mircea_popescu;of course they did. had it even during soviet times.
1709926;1504368339;asciilifeform;i'm starting to think that mircea_popescu's su-era ro was a very unlike beast from su per se
1709927;1504368350;asciilifeform;and moar like china or the like
1709928;1504368353;mircea_popescu;eh, ask your parents. they paid hoa in 1980.
1709929;1504368358;asciilifeform;they paid chickenshit.
1709930;1504368370;asciilifeform;( and nonpayment resulted in 0 eviction, just nastygrams )
1709931;1504368395;mircea_popescu;resulted in place of employment being notified and you being pulled before the "Collective" for your "attitude".
1709932;1504368406;mircea_popescu;~same shit.
1709933;1504368462;mircea_popescu;moreover, nastygrams in communism aren't what you think, chiefly because there's no other plantation and nobody is allowed to own savings or live off them. just like in us.
1709934;1504368486;mircea_popescu;which is how and wherefore all these doods keep shitting their pants, "o noes, mother is upset with me!!1"
1709935;1504368528;asciilifeform;still phakt, nobody removed from flat other than for cemetery or prison term.
1709936;1504368549;mircea_popescu;prison term easy to come by.
1709937;1504368589;asciilifeform;not so much after mustache man died
1709938;1504368759;asciilifeform;coincidentally did anybody ever translate http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709440 piece ?
1709939;1504368759;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 22:51 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/am-mai-contribuit-si-noi-la-cite-ceva-n-lume/ << a fine example.
1709940;1504368776;mircea_popescu;original is linked, and in english.
1709941;1504368780;asciilifeform;oh hm
1709942;1504368788;*;asciilifeform looks
1709943;1504368833;shinohai;It appears if I ever want to learn Romanian, I'm just gonna have to find a girl to come live here about a year or so for immersion purposes.
1709944;1504368850;asciilifeform;shinohai: could learn from b00kz , the hard way
1709945;1504368886;shinohai;Sure, but shinohai learns languages faster when females are involved for some odd reason :)
1709946;1504368919;asciilifeform;and i'm sure he digs trench faster with excavator than with rusty sapper's spade under fire also.
1709947;1504368965;shinohai;Nothing quite like having girl curse at you in foreign language whilst throwing dishes. It just sticks!
1709948;1504369014;*;shinohai pages mats for rusty sapper's spade
1709949;1504369120;mircea_popescu;anyway. the reason "chickenshit" and nobody cared about paying hoa in 1980 was that there wasn't anything whatsoever to do with the "money" anyway. much like in the us.
1709950;1504369141;mircea_popescu;that's also how i was getting 20s whenever i felt like and so on. worthless govt paper.
1709951;1504369483;asciilifeform;unrelatedly mircea_popescu , doyathink http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709607 link belongs in your rsa draft article ?
1709952;1504369483;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 23:39 mircea_popescu: right.
1709953;1504369558;asciilifeform;could call 'monte carlo rsa sig'
1709954;1504369560;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1709955;1504369682;mircea_popescu;a good tmsr-rsa signature write-up can't possibly hurt.
1709956;1504369689;*;mircea_popescu is entirely unconvinced how to write it as of yet.
1709957;1504369846;asciilifeform;i can expand yesterday's item for the l0gz, might help
1709958;1504369884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider something like : 1. split item to sign into 512 byte blocks. create block 0 from rng. sign hash(block 0), hash(block 1 + hash(block 0)), hash(block 2 + hash(block 1 + hash(block 0))), and so following.
1709959;1504369894;asciilifeform;say yer max rsasig payload is R bytes. ( R < key/8 , because padding scheme, exactly how is not necessary to say here yet )
1709960;1504369902;asciilifeform;say yer signing a payload, P bytes, P > R .
1709961;1504369911;asciilifeform;P could be a MB, TB, whichever.
1709962;1504369933;asciilifeform;P is now cut into N parcels, R bytes each, last one nullpadded
1709963;1504370013;asciilifeform;now you fire up yer fuckgoat and get a blumblumshub seed, S, S <= R.
1709964;1504370057;asciilifeform;it will be treated as parcel 0 ( what this does, will become apparent later )
1709965;1504370113;mircea_popescu;hehe.
1709966;1504370126;asciilifeform;now you feed S to blumblumshub prng, and generate your soliton distribution. this consists of a series of lists, each of the form {Qa, Qb, ... Qc} where Q_ are indices of the parcels
1709967;1504370140;asciilifeform;and arity of each list L is given by soliton dist. likewise
1709968;1504370174;asciilifeform;now we prepend each L with the seed S
1709969;1504370186;asciilifeform;and compute S xor Qa xor .... on each L
1709970;1504370222;asciilifeform;we prepend the indices of the packets that went into each xor, and sign the result.
1709971;1504370274;asciilifeform;the resulting signature is this list of signed solitonizations ( the S can be computed independently , given the original payload P; or can be packaged with the thing for convenience )
1709972;1504370299;asciilifeform;the longer the sig -- the more bulletproof, computably ( exercise for reader ! )
1709973;1504370315;asciilifeform;to verify, delubyize the lists L0....Ln and verify the rsa sig on each.
1709974;1504370325;asciilifeform;bonus is that you can transmit them in any order.
1709975;1504370362;asciilifeform;also error-tolerant, by virtue of lubyism, you can afford to lose a few packets, how many depends on what you have left over.
1709976;1504370372;asciilifeform;that there's it, i think.
1709977;1504370383;asciilifeform;notice, no hashing.
1709978;1504370392;mircea_popescu;see, "any order" is not advantage because you have the original document to provide order ; and the "lose a few" works for enemy here, helps to fake sigs
1709979;1504370400;mircea_popescu;but yes, no hashing. 8x the signing though
1709980;1504370473;asciilifeform;well you can't control the order of transmission, enemy can rearrange the packets. but it doesn't help him any.
1709981;1504370489;mircea_popescu;moreover, the relevant "hashing" is when you can have signature shorter than document. neither scheme contemplates that.
1709982;1504370521;mircea_popescu;so i'd propose it's not properly speaking hashing in that sense, to take 512 byte blocks and spit out 512 byte blocks.
1709983;1504370528;mircea_popescu;there's no rule you must have collisions in this kind of hash function.
1709984;1504370573;asciilifeform;interestingly we don't have any hash function designed from outset to guarantee 0collision 1:1 operation.
1709985;1504370581;mircea_popescu;(if one's absolutely crazy can declare the function from 511 to 512 bytes, and then split all the packages into 511 byte blocks and hurr.)
1709986;1504370582;asciilifeform;on equal-to-output-length inputs.
1709987;1504370588;mircea_popescu;i just did one above.
1709988;1504370654;mircea_popescu;anyway. proper tmsr-rsa-signing is still in need of some chewing.
1709989;1504370699;mircea_popescu;one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes  (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much ; and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good.
1709990;1504370708;asciilifeform;in particular, to work out what the minimal ( with engineering margin, a la miller-rabin ) number of lubypackets would be.
1709991;1504370722;*;asciilifeform not yet attempted to work it out
1709992;1504370749;mircea_popescu;algorithmic hash function is nice ; accordeoning hash function is nice ; anisotropic hash function would be nice to have.
1709993;1504370774;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's an ada keccak published decade ago that was not, at first glance, defective in any obvious way, and is a few pgs. but asciilifeform has not yet formally audited.
1709994;1504370780;mircea_popescu;or how would you call "guaranteed bijective hash function" if not anisotropic
1709995;1504370797;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform link ?
1709996;1504370806;asciilifeform;!#s ada keccak
1709997;1504370806;a111;1 result for "ada keccak", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ada%20keccak
1709998;1504370809;asciilifeform;hmm
1709999;1504370811;mircea_popescu;for one thing, you'd prolly want to run it on the ffa anyway
1710000;1504370859;asciilifeform;could've sworn it was in the l0gz
1710001;1504371027;asciilifeform;iirc was by one daniel king.
1710002;1504371101;asciilifeform;holyshit the original keccak www is gone
1710003;1504371110;asciilifeform;replaced with some horrorshow
1710004;1504371117;asciilifeform;ada code -- gone
1710005;1504371121;asciilifeform;fortunately still on my hdd
1710006;1504371145;asciilifeform;check this out, keccak.noekeon.org now forwards to buncha tards
1710007;1504371165;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/GkmgU < original
1710008;1504371263;shinohai;Notice that happened after nist.gov declared their spec
1710009;1504371376;asciilifeform;shinohai: not immediately , iirc was still intact last yr
1710010;1504371447;asciilifeform;incidentally shinohai keccak != usg.sha3
1710011;1504371459;asciilifeform;they adopted ~particular params~ of keccak as the new national whatever
1710012;1504371470;asciilifeform;orig is ~family~ of functions.
1710013;1504371512;asciilifeform;see also https://archive.is/lViVh << since 'unhappened' article
1710014;1504371544;asciilifeform;' The SHA-3 version of Keccak being proposed appears to provide essentially the same level of security guarantees as SHA-2, its predecessor. If we are going to develop a next generation hash, there certainly should be standardized versions that provide a higher security level than the older hash functions! NIST, in the original call for submissions, specifically asked for four versions in each submission, with at least two that would
1710015;1504371545;asciilifeform; be stronger than what was currently available, so it’s hard to understand this post-competition weakening.'
1710016;1504371546;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1710017;1504371636;asciilifeform;notice how 'everyone' nao thinks 'oh, keccak? that's called sha3 nao'
1710018;1504372642;asciilifeform;in other noose, the kanzure d00d works and works to transcribe audio for prb 'conferences', e.g. http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures , for apparently years nao.
1710019;1504372644;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E0E6D172017667AE0B2FAD15F8F69D1C024C632C6FB20025EC9493489817F8D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1391...9423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.6.197 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.6.197 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-6-197.ghst.net. FR)
1710020;1504372644;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E0E6D172017667AE0B2FAD15F8F69D1C024C632C6FB20025EC9493489817F8D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...7153 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.6.197 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.6.197 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-6-197.ghst.net. FR)
1710021;1504372679;asciilifeform;( really enjoys dataentry work, apparently. so long as it happens for clitler )
1710022;1504372767;shinohai;Maybe he'll use that BTC mp gave him to buy a pantsuit with.
1710023;1504372769;asciilifeform;( re schnorr -- see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621306 thread )
1710024;1504372769;a111;Logged on 2017-03-02 21:10 asciilifeform: oooh hey hey hey lbj. i finally found out why prb folx like schnorr.
1710025;1504372790;asciilifeform;shinohai: d00d dun need money, he has ~infinite printola budget from handler
1710026;1504372803;asciilifeform;high-end judas goat.
1710027;1504372930;asciilifeform;isn't even shy re regularly visiting, e.g., zurich, to confer with prb 'devs'
1710028;1504372985;asciilifeform;betcha the man wears 'gott mit uns' belt buckle, he does.
1710029;1504372992;shinohai;LOL
1710030;1504373068;kanzure;asciilifeform: i implemented a speech recognition system (tensorflow + keras + CTC loss scoring)
1710031;1504373070;asciilifeform;my current impression is that d00d's duties were not originally connected to antibitcoin detail, but to keeping 'biohackers' and other DIY types well-surveilled by fbi , dhs
1710032;1504373078;kanzure;asciilifeform: based on this technique http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/baidu-deep-learning-for-speech-recognition/
1710033;1504373079;asciilifeform;kanzure: put in catalogue ?
1710034;1504373140;asciilifeform;or already sold to nsa, nm ( speechtronics -- great biznis to be in for infinite usgolade . )
1710035;1504373141;kanzure;trained it on 80k hours of audio books. admittedly, 'machine learning' is 98% cargo cult bullshit.
1710036;1504373170;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/speech-recognition/
1710037;1504373196;*;asciilifeform believes
1710038;1504373247;kanzure;anyway the most recent output was http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-2017-08-28-deep-dive-bitcoin-core-v0.15/
1710039;1504373289;asciilifeform;i recommend to kanzure to study the postwar memoirs of heisenberg. he managed to stay off the nuremberg bench by arguing 'none of my shit worked, really', maybe you can too.
1710040;1504373318;kanzure;"it was all fan fiction"
1710041;1504373616;shinohai;I'll just wait for the wikileaks, tyvm
1710042;1504373645;kanzure;see "fanfic" https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html
1710043;1504373645;shinohai;!~tyvm
1710044;1504373645;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "tyvm" is not a valid command.
1710045;1504373649;shinohai;!~ty
1710046;1504373649;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1710047;1504373730;asciilifeform;in all fairness this is much classier than the last 2 nsa резидент we had. we're moving up, folx!11!
1710048;1504374119;asciilifeform;but largely unrelatedly : BingoBoingo ( qntra fodder ? ) , mircea_popescu : https://archive.is/E5Fyk << recent lulz re the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709834 folx
1710049;1504374119;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 13:25 mircea_popescu: (that being the idea here, the shit-piss-licker center isn't suing about "is it ok for a meg ryan wanna-be to try and defraud an old woman into giving her all the moneyz". it's suing about "is it ok for fraudster specializing in old women to be told off by the public if she's defrauding for the dnc!")
1710050;1504374521;asciilifeform;'"I've never known a US-based nonprofit dealing in human rights or social services to have any foreign bank accounts," said Amy Sterling Casil, CEO of Pacific Human Capital, a California-based nonprofit consulting firm. "My impression based on prior interactions is that they have a small, modestly paid staff, and were regarded by most in the industry as frugal and reliable. I am stunned to learn of transfers of millions to offshore b
1710051;1504374521;asciilifeform;ank accounts. It is a huge red flag and would have been completely unacceptable to any wealthy, responsible, experienced board member who was committed to a charitable mission who I ever worked with."'
1710052;1504374531;asciilifeform;predicted effect : 0
1710053;1504374618;asciilifeform;'Richard Cohen, president and chief executive officer of the SPLC, was given $346,218 in base compensation in 2015 ..... The SPLC, which claims to boast a staff of 75 lawyers who practice in the area of children's rights, economic justice, immigrant justice, LGBT rights, and criminal justice reform, reported spending only $61,000 on legal services in 2015. Following recent violence in Charlottesville, Va., the group raised a great de
1710054;1504374618;asciilifeform;al of money. Apple CEO Tim Cook told his employees that the company is donating $1 million to the SPLC and would match employee contributions two to one. Cook also placed an SPLC donation button in its iTunes store. The company is additionally providing a $1 million donation to the Anti-Defamation League.'
1710055;1504375298;shinohai;Meanwhile, I invited the alleged instagram haxor https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1133449 here for an interview and tips on how to keep a website up when "facebook is buying up all the doxagram tld's"
1710056;1504375337;asciilifeform;shinohai: plox to summarize ?
1710057;1504375350;asciilifeform;my dosimeter's maxed for the week
1710058;1504375403;shinohai;tl;dr is instagram had a "bug" that reveled user emails and phone #'s, several celeb accounts are up for grabs, in addition to random nobodies.
1710059;1504375539;asciilifeform;shinohai: linked thread not readily distinguishable from rando sc4mz0r
1710060;1504375850;shinohai;Asi es ..... I din check out the tor www because, as you see in thread, he insists that one must "Enable javascript in tor browser for complete site functionality"
1710061;1504375853;shinohai;(tm)
1710062;1504375867;asciilifeform;lollomatic
1710063;1504375921;shinohai;I'm just curious to know if it is genuine item.
1710064;1504375946;asciilifeform;'shards from The True Cross!11'
1710065;1504375985;shinohai;Act now, and we'll throw in a phree facial bone from the head of St. John the Baptist.
1710066;1504376006;asciilifeform;from skull of voltaire as a boy.
1710067;1504380470;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707890 <--> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708980 neato! olimex ppl are pretty close to me (bg), so I ordered one myself, hopefully to be shipped by end of next week
1710068;1504380470;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 22:23 asciilifeform: since we're on subj, asciilifeform got the recently released ice40-8k (largest in the series) going. ( there's only 1 decent dev board for the 8k, the one released by olimex ~2wks ago )
1710069;1504380470;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 15:38 asciilifeform: in very very other noose : the vendor's vga and ps/2 kbd demo verilog for ice40 builds and WORX
1710070;1504380506;asciilifeform;spyked: neato
1710071;1504380509;*;spyked has had a spike in spendings on hardware in the last ~3 weeks, but couldn't be helped
1710072;1504380516;asciilifeform;spyked: you'll also want something to use as a programmator
1710073;1504380535;asciilifeform;( can use their olimexduino thing + 10pin cable, or if you have a similar already )
1710074;1504380547;asciilifeform;olimex's ice board dun have a built-in programmator.
1710075;1504380577;asciilifeform;( see their docs. )
1710076;1504380599;spyked;lessee. what do they use? JTAG?
1710077;1504380651;asciilifeform;there are jtag pins but they are unpopulated, and you'll have to tweezer a resistor off to get the thing to use the ice's internal eeprom instead of the external 2Mb spi rom, if you want to use those
1710078;1504380670;asciilifeform;otherwise you need something that can write to the spi rom, via the given header
1710079;1504380689;asciilifeform;( 'buspirate', or whateverthehellduino with olimex's supplied proggy, and a few others, will work )
1710080;1504380746;asciilifeform;spyked: https://www.olimex.com/wiki/ICE40HX1K-EVB#Get_started_under_Linux << their doc
1710081;1504380769;asciilifeform;( scroll up for pinout of the prog connector )
1710082;1504380772;asciilifeform;pgm1
1710083;1504380989;spyked;ty asciilifeform! I have an arduino board somewhere, will try to get that working.
1710084;1504381068;asciilifeform;np spyked
1710085;1504381079;asciilifeform;the tricky bit is the toolchain .
1710086;1504381185;spyked;hm. why? problems getting it compiled and running? (the linux guide looks straightforward)
1710087;1504381208;asciilifeform;try it and see.
1710088;1504381227;phf;asciilifeform: i don't really understand fpga peripherals architecture very well, but you think you could eyeball compare what's available in ice to pipistrello. (i'm curious where there's a limitation as far as porting cadr) http://pipistrello.saanlima.com/index.php?title=Welcome_to_Pipistrello#Pipistrello_Rev_2.0_Hardware_Description
1710089;1504381245;asciilifeform;phf: that looks like a xilinx
1710090;1504381252;asciilifeform;you can get ANYTHING you want on a xilinx board, phf
1710091;1504381257;asciilifeform;i have multi-$k ones here
1710092;1504381296;asciilifeform;the problem is that it's xilinx.
1710093;1504381319;phf;i'm more asking what's missing from ice in comparison. flash memory, dram? etc.
1710094;1504381324;asciilifeform;where , you know, you gotta devote an entire comp to running a 20GB closed warez, and it does ?????.
1710095;1504381332;asciilifeform;phf:  let's start with the gate count
1710096;1504381365;asciilifeform;biggest ice part is the ICE40HX8K
1710097;1504381379;asciilifeform;7680 LUTs.
1710098;1504381406;asciilifeform;roughly same as 100 of the xl9572 used in FUCKGOATS.
1710099;1504381421;asciilifeform;but smaller than all but the smallest xilinx 'spartan' parts.
1710100;1504381468;asciilifeform;then we proceed to the dev boards. nobody makes an ice dev board with dram on it; or with flash other than the config rom; or with sram bigger than 512k. currently.
1710101;1504381476;asciilifeform;because the part is considered 'too small'
1710102;1504381504;asciilifeform;folx who are willing to use lattice's closed shitdevchain buy the larger parts, where the dev boards are comparable to xilinx.
1710103;1504381546;phf;right, so ice is basically just the fpga with minimum amount of breadboarding, if we want to pipistrello gottta design our own
1710104;1504381553;asciilifeform;correct.
1710105;1504381573;asciilifeform;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707941 .
1710106;1504381573;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 22:44 asciilifeform: phf et al : to briefly continue http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707895 -- picture an a4-sized plinth, of, e.g., 32 dimm slots. each can contain a card of sram, or alternatively of 4 ice40-8k's, or some peripheral ( e.g. nic magnetics. )
1710107;1504381595;asciilifeform;( see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701866 . )
1710108;1504381595;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 12:25 asciilifeform: but lattice per se is EXACTLY like xilinx, same profit model, closed arch, license 'ip cores'. their larger flagship fpga is exactly like xilinx 'spartan', full of proprietary peripherals, and that's the one that tends to get packaged into devboards with nic etc
1710109;1504381670;phf;so i see
1710110;1504381670;asciilifeform;phf: to be fair, the olimex boards have an expansion plug. but you can't put , e.g., dram, on there, toomuch capacitance.
1710111;1504381679;asciilifeform;will work ok for, e.g., sd card, or breadboard.
1710112;1504381684;asciilifeform;up to perhaps 10MHz
1710113;1504381790;asciilifeform;phf: first thing i'd put on ab-initio ice board is... moar ices.
1710114;1504381793;asciilifeform;let's say 32 of'em.
1710115;1504381813;asciilifeform;( connect as a hypercube, or on a crossbar, or whichever. )
1710116;1504381887;asciilifeform;( though i currently suspect that something in the spirit of scheme-79 could fit in no more than 2 -- 1 for the alu and 1 for memory control/gc )
1710117;1504381964;phf;this is beyond me at this point. i'm mostly trying to understand various initricasies of cadr fpga-ing, i'll revisit this thread later
1710118;1504382008;asciilifeform;phf: if you're content to test parker's cadr, your existing xilinx board oughta do the job
1710119;1504382055;asciilifeform;( though last i saw it was a straight conversion from the ttl schematic, and not especially compact, might need one of the larger chips )
1710120;1504382059;phf;right, it already does (board above). i was curious if there's a porting out strategy, but your answer explained the situation
1710121;1504382078;asciilifeform;phf: out of curiosity, what was the LUT % utilization when you built ?
1710122;1504382091;asciilifeform;( xilinx toolchain shits out this figure in the report )
1710123;1504382116;phf;i didn't notice it, but i'll look next time i build
1710124;1504382123;asciilifeform;you can use this to estimate whether the thing will fit in particular pld
1710125;1504382187;asciilifeform;FG for instance used 71 out of 72
1710126;1504382235;asciilifeform;( this is a rough measure, because not all LUTs are created equal, naturally, xilinx has somewhat different ones in the cpld series vs 'spartans', and lattice has yet different, and altera -- yet different, etc )
1710127;1504382260;asciilifeform;for added excitement in life, each also has different routing fabric
1710128;1504382280;asciilifeform;large xilinx chips also have 'hard' periphs inside, e.g. multers, adders, shifters, various
1710129;1504382287;asciilifeform;and these end up used to reduce pressure on the LUTs
1710130;1504382312;asciilifeform;( and are the reason why xilinx has not been satisfactorily reversed a la ice, and not likely to be before going out of print )
1710131;1504382326;asciilifeform;i.e. they are nonhomogeneous.
1710132;1504382333;asciilifeform;'ice' -- is homogeneous.
1710133;1504382342;spyked;also, synthesis of open source icestorm toolchain might be somewhat less efficient than closed source? (just a wild guess, maybe not)
1710134;1504382347;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707976 . )
1710135;1504382347;a111;Logged on 2017-08-31 23:18 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in ic-pr0n, http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/bitdocs-8k << spiffy example of nonpdfized ( per earlier mircea_popescu thread ) hierarchical docs
1710136;1504382384;asciilifeform;spyked: it does not seem to be disastrously bad, surprisingly. but i have yet to try it with a large design. ( also helps that the chip is small, a truly elephantine circuit will never be entered )
1710137;1504382540;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710087 <-- so far so good. building icestorm tools, pnr, verilog synthesis works after adding clang and other assorted crap. will work out the arduino part later.
1710138;1504382540;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 19:40 asciilifeform: try it and see.
1710139;1504382573;asciilifeform;re the archs -- lattice ice is analogous to children's toy 'lego' where you get 9,000 identical bricks; xilinx ( and altera, and the 'adult' lattice fpga on fancy dev boards ) are analogous to... i guess the 'erector' toy, where there are a certain number of fungible pieces, but also ~a~ motor, ~a~ heavy iron base, a quantity of gears, etc.
1710140;1504382603;asciilifeform;spyked: aaaah see, i don't permit clang on my boxes
1710141;1504382616;asciilifeform;it is an evil and i will not work dependency on it into my conveyor.
1710142;1504382627;asciilifeform;bad enough that the thing seems to insist on python3.
1710143;1504382629;spyked;no idea why they need clang. but I see your point
1710144;1504382632;asciilifeform;( this is at least theoretically fixable )
1710145;1504382650;asciilifeform;spyked: anyway if you search the log you can see how to make it build on gcc.
1710146;1504382669;phf;i'd say it's more like 80s lego and modern lego (if you haven't seen, now it's all >50% custom per-toy parts, that can be snapped to a traditional lego coupling, but otherwise non-universal)
1710147;1504382677;asciilifeform;aah yes phf
1710148;1504382679;*;asciilifeform saw this
1710149;1504382725;spyked;anyway, don't see why toolchain would need github deps. can fork and sanitize
1710150;1504382732;asciilifeform;lego toy got 'xilinxized' in early 2000s
1710151;1504382740;asciilifeform;spyked: that's the plan.
1710152;1504382753;asciilifeform;spyked: once satisfied that the thing can support adult work.
1710153;1504382767;asciilifeform;( eventually the synthesis must run on ITSELF )
1710154;1504382775;asciilifeform;THEN can throw out pc.
1710155;1504382780;asciilifeform;and not before.
1710156;1504382812;spyked;aha! so gotta lispify the toolchain. this sounds like a nice project
1710157;1504382856;phf;right, that's the first thought when you have your cadr up. "oh wait, i need to go fuck around with xilinx tooling to make any kind of changes here)
1710158;1504382933;asciilifeform;ideally box will write own config rom. ( have a bank of'em , with mechanical selector, for when you make mistake )
1710159;1504382943;asciilifeform;sorta like bios on certain high end pc mobos.
1710160;1504382971;phf;exactly
1710161;1504382975;asciilifeform;i had a xilinx board (shaped like pc mobo, with pci even ) that had this feature
1710162;1504382992;asciilifeform;would load config from a cf card, and little round knob for setting which of 8 .bit files it'd use on boot
1710163;1504386993;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710002 << heh. teh conincidentals.
1710164;1504386993;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 16:51 asciilifeform: holyshit the original keccak www is gone
1710165;1504387120;mircea_popescu;Guido Bertoni, Joan Daemen, Michaël Peeters, Gilles Van Assche and Ronny Van Keer << might as well dump the list of bernsteins that'll have to explain themselves.
1710166;1504387208;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710018 << hey, it's easy and non-threatening and gives the outward impression of doing work. what'd you have him do.
1710167;1504387208;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 17:17 asciilifeform: in other noose, the kanzure d00d works and works to transcribe audio for prb 'conferences', e.g. http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures , for apparently years nao.
1710168;1504387295;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710028 << kek what's with you and amateur directed-physchognomism anyways ?
1710169;1504387295;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 17:23 asciilifeform: betcha the man wears 'gott mit uns' belt buckle, he does.
1710170;1504387321;asciilifeform;some folx are open an' shut cases, wat.
1710171;1504387331;mircea_popescu;or however you'd spell a portmanteau of psychology and physiognomy.
1710172;1504387342;asciilifeform;telephrenology lol
1710173;1504387352;mircea_popescu;similar science!
1710174;1504387405;mircea_popescu;you realise you'd prolly hang all my whores for "hanging out with enemy, AND wrong garterbelt buckles" if you had to manage the thing ?
1710175;1504387420;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, did i ever recount my sad encounter with another man's electronics lab, as a 6 yo ?
1710176;1504387438;asciilifeform;whore dun go around presenting selves as independent operators who 'spent 27 million, you maggot!' etc
1710177;1504387441;asciilifeform;lolno do tell
1710178;1504387469;mircea_popescu;so i was about six, and a bright young adorable kid with blond curls that proposed to my parents' friends' wives. marriage i mean. and even bit one.
1710179;1504387496;mircea_popescu;and this guy who was an amateur electronist died, and he actually LEFT me his lab! which included all sorts of things, glassware from pre war and such.
1710180;1504387563;mircea_popescu;now at the time we are writing about, "electronics hobbist lab lightbulb" meant a fixed, all-identical, standardized thing. gost like. every kid in school could recognize the item, "this is lightbulb". same for 4.5V 3-cell-in-paper battery and so on. identical, you understand ? (and same for all girls underweasr and all people's flats and furniture in them and so on)
1710181;1504387595;asciilifeform;oohyeah
1710182;1504387597;mircea_popescu;now this man... he had a set of 9V lightbulbs. and so as any good respectable citizen i sat down with the dead man's dragon pile, to TEST everythiung I got. yes ?
1710183;1504387602;*;asciilifeform can feel the bulb in his fingers even nao
1710184;1504387622;mircea_popescu;now the lightbulbs, connected to the standard battery, did not light up. but only ever slightly orange in the filament.
1710185;1504387663;mircea_popescu;so i threw it away. and piucked another one. same thing. so i scream-ask my mom, across the flat, "mom, is a lightbulb that doesn't not light up thereby no good ?" "yes" she says, evidently using a different standard of "not light up" than mine.
1710186;1504387667;mircea_popescu;i threw them all away.
1710187;1504387674;asciilifeform;aw
1710188;1504387678;mircea_popescu;and only realised the problem after the garbage had been taken out.
1710189;1504387680;mircea_popescu;i was very sad.
1710190;1504387696;mircea_popescu;mind you don't end up as sad as me at six as an adult. it goes away a lot faster at that age.
1710191;1504387738;asciilifeform;i have a similar story, but from adulthood and with severl $k of parts that 'hey these all defective, thefuq' and at the end an overvolted ps that had nuked'em all one by one by one..
1710192;1504387751;mircea_popescu;heh
1710193;1504387768;mircea_popescu;so you have something else to blame huh. i don't!
1710194;1504387791;asciilifeform;sounds like we both had same item to blame, lol
1710195;1504387799;asciilifeform;'the poor dancer is hindered by own balls' or how it was.
1710196;1504387846;mircea_popescu;no, i just concluded i was inept at standardization and speech generally.
1710197;1504387871;mircea_popescu;possibly the event that made it impossible for me to be seriously racist in the usual sense.
1710198;1504387979;asciilifeform;taken to the extreme, tho, this train would go to 'can't hang nobody at all, what if Great Artist Dies Inside'im'
1710199;1504387989;mircea_popescu;orange.
1710200;1504388000;asciilifeform;hm?
1710201;1504388007;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> now the lightbulbs, connected to the standard battery, did not light up. but only ever slightly orange in the filament.
1710202;1504388015;asciilifeform;aa
1710203;1504388061;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu would be delighted to learn that 'modern' envirotronic led bulbs typically never properly die, they just grow moar flickery and... orange, if you will
1710204;1504388070;mircea_popescu;i know lol.
1710205;1504388074;asciilifeform;but remain usable, with headache, possibly 4evah
1710206;1504388086;asciilifeform;megapr0gr3ss.
1710207;1504388095;mircea_popescu;btw, you won't believe this, but for being the only house with incandescents on this mother-of-biodiversity hill i get like half the moths and consequently a third of the birds.
1710208;1504388100;mircea_popescu;apparently, they very much can tell.
1710209;1504388109;asciilifeform;they luvvv their blackbody
1710210;1504388121;asciilifeform;and i suspect also -- can SEE the flicker from the electronic horrors
1710211;1504388128;mircea_popescu;i suspect they can see the flicker, yes.
1710212;1504388133;asciilifeform;just as asciilifeform can.
1710213;1504388157;asciilifeform;if i can, moth with mm instead of cm nerve runs, surely can.
1710214;1504388167;mircea_popescu;exactly. that was the logic.
1710215;1504388171;mircea_popescu;"they prolly run up to the mhz"
1710216;1504388199;asciilifeform;spectrum's all wrong, too, led is closer to ye olde crt tv than to blackbody
1710217;1504388218;mircea_popescu;did i ever recount my theory as to WHY they seek the lights ?
1710218;1504388228;asciilifeform;dun think so
1710219;1504388238;mircea_popescu;my theory, which is mine, i will now recount it.
1710220;1504388249;mircea_popescu;this is my theory, which i name it my theory because i came up with it.
1710221;1504388254;mircea_popescu;the next thing i say will be my theory :
1710222;1504388258;asciilifeform;i always thought it was to find the sun, which is how you find your way out of localminima^H^H^H^Henclosed spaces withnofood , in nature
1710223;1504388265;kanzure;asciilifeform: how fast can you run an inkjet valve, you foresee any problem with 1 MHz?
1710224;1504388282;kanzure;other than overheating
1710225;1504388282;asciilifeform;kanzure: if it's veeery small, use a saw resonator, there's your valve, 100Mhz easy
1710226;1504388300;mircea_popescu;imagine there's a bunch of bugs spawned over an acre. to perpetuate, they must mate. how shall they encounter each other ? "wut if we used this waste light and have them all seek it ?" said engineer in charge of moth one day ? "they'll necessarily converge before they reach the moon".
1710227;1504388321;asciilifeform;( what kanzure intends to throttle with the valve, surely has surface tension, and 100MHz prolly won't happen. unless it's liquid he or wat. )
1710228;1504388334;mircea_popescu;he wants to stuff plasmids in cells.
1710229;1504388351;kanzure;i don't need 100 MHz just >100 KHz, like 1 MHz
1710230;1504388359;asciilifeform;i only ever did this by poration and soak'em
1710231;1504388394;mircea_popescu;he wants to do it 1kx faster.
1710232;1504388396;asciilifeform;kanzure: yer fluid conducts or no ?
1710233;1504388432;kanzure;acetonitrile, tetrazole, ammonia, 3-methoxypropionitrile, 2-methyl glutaronitrile, etc.
1710234;1504388444;mircea_popescu;"anything you want ; not conducive if you don't want it to"
1710235;1504388463;asciilifeform;make it conduct. then form the droplets magnetohydrodynamically.
1710236;1504388475;asciilifeform;no valves. 'best machine is no machine' (altschuller)
1710237;1504388496;mircea_popescu;here's the bitch : conducive is corrosive for this application.
1710238;1504388510;asciilifeform;if you can statically charge, just as good.
1710239;1504388523;mircea_popescu;afaik that's how it's done in srslabs.
1710240;1504388544;mircea_popescu;large magnetatrons, and powerful staticatrizers.
1710241;1504388556;mircea_popescu;problem with this sorta gear is that it costs a billion.
1710242;1504388576;kanzure;is this the highest of the high performance inkjet? http://global.kyocera.com/news/2012/0306_niku.html  it's only like 40 kHz * 2600 nozzles
1710243;1504388576;mircea_popescu;and a good chunk thereby in not-avoidable expenditure
1710244;1504388576;asciilifeform;naaah the mass spec i lived next to was only 500k or so
1710245;1504388604;asciilifeform;if you're using something less viscous than ink, can use different mechanism, kanzure
1710246;1504388617;mircea_popescu;kanzure your discussion maps on the inkjet vs bubblejet historical approach to printing.
1710247;1504388658;kanzure;"bubble jet" seems to be canon trade name for inkjet
1710248;1504388663;asciilifeform;also must point out, there are other ways to make droplets. for instance, perfume atomizer will give wide spectrum of droplet sizes, and you can 'massspec' out the desired size.
1710249;1504388667;asciilifeform;( the rest fall into trough, recycled )
1710250;1504388734;mircea_popescu;kanzure at some point someone came up with "charge the droplets, move elctrostatically, send them out with a quarz pump"
1710251;1504388751;asciilifeform;if your fluid's triple point is close to room temp, can do exotic, e.g. vapourize it and condence on a cold pin point
1710252;1504388754;asciilifeform;*condense
1710253;1504388767;mircea_popescu;ooo yeah that's an idea!
1710254;1504388772;asciilifeform;i could go on, on...
1710255;1504388789;asciilifeform;and so far i only listed methods from su state of the art, 1980s.
1710256;1504388833;shinohai;In Soviet Russia, fluid vaporizes YOU
1710257;1504388861;asciilifeform;if yer fluid is reasonably nonexplosive ( let's assume we're working in ordinary earth atmosphere, near stp ) can also cavitate
1710258;1504388868;asciilifeform;and catch droplets resulting.
1710259;1504388874;kanzure;much of the inkjet "literature" seems to be patents today.   was injet peak hype in 80s?
1710260;1504388893;asciilifeform;it's hobbled by presuming working with... ink. i'ma guess that kanzure ain't pumping ink.
1710261;1504388904;kanzure;phosphoramidites and acetonitrile and tetrazole
1710262;1504388932;kanzure;http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/
1710263;1504388939;mircea_popescu;pogo ?!
1710264;1504388960;kanzure;i don't know man
1710265;1504388977;mircea_popescu;only so many 4 letter combos, eventually hashcrash
1710266;1504388990;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wouldja believe, it was also this toy with a sprint to jump on...
1710267;1504388994;asciilifeform;*spring
1710268;1504389001;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/synthesis/notes/
1710269;1504389001;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710030 << does this actually work ?
1710270;1504389001;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 17:24 kanzure: asciilifeform: i implemented a speech recognition system (tensorflow + keras + CTC loss scoring)
1710271;1504389044;kanzure;depends on what you mean by work! it has like a 10-15% word error rate...
1710272;1504389052;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/train_log.excerpt.txt
1710273;1504389073;kanzure;i built out a voip demo for business conference call transcription
1710274;1504389091;kanzure;wardials into random conferences and emails the participants the text at end of meeting
1710275;1504389099;mircea_popescu;sooo... can you put it up on a bot so i say !devoice http:youtube and it returns a pasted text ?
1710276;1504389127;kanzure;depends on how much you care about quality; btw youtube already has captioning thing have you tried that?
1710277;1504389182;mircea_popescu;will try it once youtube gets a key and makes a bot.
1710278;1504389184;mircea_popescu;not before.
1710279;1504389208;mircea_popescu;there's 0 willingness to import empire bullshit into the workflow. they must be raped, even if they'd be willing.
1710280;1504389224;kanzure;raping for peace. got it.
1710281;1504389237;mircea_popescu;certainly not for peace.
1710282;1504389242;mircea_popescu;raping is always for education.
1710283;1504389245;asciilifeform;'Buttons representing each of the 27 slide positions occupy most of the space on this panel. Clicking on a button will open the slide editor. ' << cringe. even here, guiolade
1710284;1504389256;asciilifeform;waiwaiwai amateur folx, writing vb guilade.
1710285;1504389271;asciilifeform;you built roboprinter, great, drive it from shell like normalpeople
1710286;1504389285;kanzure;oh i should have warned you about that, sorry
1710287;1504389294;kanzure;it's academia tho so you should not have had high expectations
1710288;1504389295;*;asciilifeform esp. allergic, he spent year+ reversing idjit tecan closedolade 
1710289;1504389319;mircea_popescu;lol are you going to end up with people doing spoilers for you alfie ?
1710290;1504389325;kanzure;so did jcline. he put reversed tecan bullshit on cpan. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Robotics/lib/Robotics/Tecan.pm
1710291;1504389327;asciilifeform;hopefully not, i like surprises
1710292;1504389351;asciilifeform;kanzure: i saw it, it's missing most of the protocol
1710293;1504389362;kanzure;proto-col? what's this.
1710294;1504389383;kanzure;surely you're happy enough with opentrons
1710295;1504389414;asciilifeform;btw seekrit : 100% of tecan internals are rebranded 'cavro', if you get a hold of the orig. documents from the latter, you have ~all of it.
1710296;1504389459;asciilifeform;the hydraulics ain't even rebranded, pop the cover and there it is, cavro.
1710297;1504389542;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710031 << at a certain level of individuation, people are actually flattered, "oh, gestapo wrote our name on a napkin! THIS IS A FORM OF EXISTENCE!"
1710298;1504389542;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 17:24 asciilifeform: my current impression is that d00d's duties were not originally connected to antibitcoin detail, but to keeping 'biohackers' and other DIY types well-surveilled by fbi , dhs
1710299;1504389543;kanzure;that's disappointing
1710300;1504389601;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the thread with the typewriter ribbons ?
1710301;1504389630;mircea_popescu;vaguely. which ?
1710302;1504389726;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-12#1098770 << possibly here
1710303;1504389726;a111;Logged on 2015-04-12 19:18 mircea_popescu: does this not suggest that the ACTUAL REASON adults "had to" register their typewriters was because they wanted to have to ?
1710304;1504389747;mircea_popescu;ah that. wasn't re ribbons, but re the actual letters.
1710305;1504389755;asciilifeform;aahyeah
1710306;1504389786;mircea_popescu;something in the vein of the celebrated http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705262
1710307;1504389786;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 19:08 mircea_popescu:  the captured male how to behave so it doesn't rub wrongly. Example suffices, he will perhaps protest but certainly learn and definitely change to fit the limit on his penis. It's not like he's not very eager to alter his behaviour so he can maintain that sweet, sweet delicious cage for longer, for as long as possible, forever. Whatever he may say, it's all window-dressing for that simple, fundamental fact -- he's happier neu
1710308;1504389891;mircea_popescu;kanzure : have you put http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710031 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686026 together ? cuz you're such a fine example of it, and also the first good one since the statement. are you thinking "oh, what he is talking of -- i am not" ? does it mean "i am not aware i am ?"
1710309;1504389891;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 17:24 asciilifeform: my current impression is that d00d's duties were not originally connected to antibitcoin detail, but to keeping 'biohackers' and other DIY types well-surveilled by fbi , dhs
1710310;1504389891;a111;Logged on 2017-07-18 18:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this bit of GT : the knowledge of all the things you don't know thereby constructs a sybil of you.
1710311;1504389945;mircea_popescu;identity is such a little bitch. almost as much as money.
1710312;1504389997;asciilifeform;incidentally being kgb imho is not an absolute bar to furthering the aims of republic, so long as actually further'em rather than lounge ( like, e.g., decimation, the last rezident ), see also vonnegut's http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-16#1325347 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-16#1325348 remark
1710313;1504389997;a111;Logged on 2015-11-16 21:01 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: 'I didn't know that,' I said. 'No one knows everything,' he said. 'Did you know,' he said, 'that until almost this very moment nothing would have delighted me more than to prove that you were a spy, to see you shot?' 'No,' I said. 'And do you know why I don't care now if you were a spy or not?' he said. 'You could tell me now that you were a spy, and we would go on talking calmly, just as we're talking now. I
1710314;1504389997;a111;Logged on 2015-11-16 21:01 ascii_field: would let you wander off to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized that almost all the ideas that I hold now, that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He took my hand. 'You alone kept m
1710315;1504390036;mircea_popescu;allow me to offer you a traditional "you guise are fulla shit" alfie.
1710316;1504390163;asciilifeform;regardless, kanzure , why is it necessary for the droplets to fly through the air onto the target? why not let'em diffuse through a sheet of mylar through small hole burned by laser, say
1710317;1504390172;asciilifeform;layerwise.
1710318;1504390203;mircea_popescu;can have mylar weaved with the pores, for not so much money.
1710319;1504390205;kanzure;throughput is most important aspect of the setup; air is not important.
1710320;1504390210;asciilifeform;also POSaM (linked device design) is a little antiquated, yes '04 but fpga already existed, why require megabux pci i/o card
1710321;1504390224;kanzure;because they are biologists and don't understand technology
1710322;1504390238;asciilifeform;fair'nuff
1710323;1504390269;mircea_popescu;yep he is correct, in the negative sense. "they do not understand what are the REAL limits imposed on them, so they just go along social lines".
1710324;1504390275;asciilifeform;also seems like ideal design would be something quite like colour laserprinter, with N drums, 1 per reagent
1710325;1504390291;asciilifeform;adhere electrostatically ( drum of selenium, charges optically in wanted regions )
1710326;1504390304;kanzure;need really really high throughput, i am 3 minutes away from proposing inkjet with 1 billion valves
1710327;1504390313;asciilifeform;why billion valve
1710328;1504390319;asciilifeform;how many reagents , 4 ?
1710329;1504390324;kanzure;~12
1710330;1504390325;mircea_popescu;ideally you get something denser than trad printer. if you manage 2-3k dpi (with a tractor!) then you can just prepare your receiver on an endless sheet of paper (process upstream) and just print and print and print. constantly. sort-of how the correct re-asphalt road crew works.
1710331;1504390335;kanzure;~12 includes cleaning reagents and stuff
1710332;1504390350;mircea_popescu;kanzure the solution is above, over time. no cleaning. just roll the sheet .
1710333;1504390384;kanzure;also need to do multi-pass over same spots btw, about 100 * (steps per base pair addition), where 100 is number of bp or nucleotides (nt)
1710334;1504390418;mircea_popescu;why need to multipass ? (can have multipe printers).
1710335;1504390419;asciilifeform;so you have closed loop of substrate going through 'printer', rather than sheet
1710336;1504390429;asciilifeform;moebius, even, if you like.
1710337;1504390440;mircea_popescu;think of a long sheet of substrate, with prepper and as many prinbter machines as passes needed downstream.
1710338;1504390460;asciilifeform;would work perfectly fine with 1
1710339;1504390461;mircea_popescu;you could in principle do 1m/s which could be worth 10k or so per line at 10k or so lines per meter ie 100mn each second.
1710340;1504390464;kanzure;ok. so 1 billion valves * n=100 printheads where n was used for total dna molecule length
1710341;1504390482;mircea_popescu;kanzure do not scale the printing head ; scale the printed matter.
1710342;1504390486;mircea_popescu;cheaper to get a billion that way.
1710343;1504390487;asciilifeform;charged drum would give same effect as billion printheads
1710344;1504390503;asciilifeform;(consider res of even cheap laser treekiller )
1710345;1504390508;kanzure;for charged drum i would have to pretend to know material science things
1710346;1504390517;asciilifeform;nah long ago mature tech
1710347;1504390525;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile in #eulora lulz : <kisspunch> i don't know what the shit any of this is <mircea_popescu> yeah, there's A LOT you don't know. <kisspunch> mircea_popescu: fuck you and your ecosystem
1710348;1504390535;asciilifeform;just gotta find a drum coating that won't dissolve in acetonitrile etc
1710349;1504390544;mircea_popescu;ceramix.
1710350;1504390546;mircea_popescu;evidently.
1710351;1504390572;asciilifeform;still cheaper than 1bil of individually addressable physical objects...
1710352;1504390600;asciilifeform;though incidentally might be interesting to use a decapped sram as a 'printhead'
1710353;1504390601;mircea_popescu;yep.
1710354;1504390630;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710048 << of course it's as corrupt as it gets, what. but you have a point, should prolly be a qnta.
1710355;1504390630;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 17:41 asciilifeform: but largely unrelatedly : BingoBoingo ( qntra fodder ? ) , mircea_popescu : https://archive.is/E5Fyk << recent lulz re the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709834 folx
1710356;1504390694;mircea_popescu;it's basically a sort of mini-mit, us equiv of "state assets corp of china", exact implementation of "putin has billions hidden away across the world" except for lizzards.
1710357;1504390729;asciilifeform;воровской общак
1710358;1504390746;asciilifeform;^ handy tho not esp. translatable name for the arrangement
1710359;1504390786;mircea_popescu;the funniest thing to me is that this sad state of affairs gives them no pause. "what orcs ? WE ARE THE ORCS!"
1710360;1504390806;mircea_popescu;side beenfit of selecting for stupid. ftr, i know of no other nazism that actually put idiocy in the spec for aryanism.
1710361;1504390815;asciilifeform;britain.
1710362;1504390822;asciilifeform;( as described by ol' mr. o )
1710363;1504390825;mircea_popescu;notrly. how do you mean ?
1710364;1504390834;mircea_popescu;ol' mr. o was a by-the-book jealous faggot.
1710365;1504390862;asciilifeform;'After all, they belonged to a class with a certain tradition, they had been to public schools where the duty of dying for your country, if necessary, is laid down as the first and greatest of the Commandments. They had to feel themselves true patriots, even while they plundered their countrymen. Clearly there was only one escape for them - into stupidity. They could keep society in its existing shape only by being unable to grasp th
1710366;1504390862;asciilifeform;at any improvement was possible. Difficult though this was, they achieved it, largely by fixing their eyes on the past and refusing to notice the changes that were going on round them.'
1710367;1504390868;mircea_popescu;"why that stupid and not me ? i'm fabulous ?" "yes, but you correctly evaluate yourself to be stupid ; and incorrectly evaluate what you don't understand about him to be similar-stupid, which it is not."
1710368;1504390872;asciilifeform;( in 'lion & unicorn' )
1710369;1504390886;mircea_popescu;i do not buy his prancing.
1710370;1504390902;asciilifeform;lol, selling it for same price i bought it
1710371;1504390926;mircea_popescu;notice that britain sunk slowly while those "stupid" were in charge and utterly collapsed once o's own bretheren took over.
1710372;1504390952;mircea_popescu;because blair was correct about himself. yes, he was stupid.
1710373;1504390959;asciilifeform;they were in drivers seat for ww1, which nailed that world.
1710374;1504390991;mircea_popescu;actually, boar wars nailed it imo. well, not imo : caragiale says so, i believe.
1710375;1504391004;BingoBoingo;Oh, SLPC is lolz
1710376;1504391016;mircea_popescu;survived napoleon somehow, got wiped by a guy who literally believed earth is flat.
1710377;1504391087;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710052 << quite not 0. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703771
1710378;1504391087;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 17:48 asciilifeform: predicted effect : 0
1710379;1504391087;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 22:38 mircea_popescu: teh very respectable southern poverty law center. and i bet you bitcoin to donuts they didn't actually pay jack for it, either.
1710380;1504391131;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710055 << cool.
1710381;1504391131;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 18:01 shinohai: Meanwhile, I invited the alleged instagram haxor https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1133449 here for an interview and tips on how to keep a website up when "facebook is buying up all the doxagram tld's"
1710382;1504391132;asciilifeform;i meant effect of the reveal
1710383;1504391465;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710137 << nice going eh! how's life now that living again ? :D
1710384;1504391465;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 20:02 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710087 <-- so far so good. building icestorm tools, pnr, verilog synthesis works after adding clang and other assorted crap. will work out the arduino part later.
1710385;1504392295;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710146 << fwiw my 80s lego did include engine. and also various non-fungible parts such as engine blocks cut out with pistons visibly going in and out, and proper (and working) implementation of automotive steering couplings.
1710386;1504392295;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 20:04 phf: i'd say it's more like 80s lego and modern lego (if you haven't seen, now it's all >50% custom per-toy parts, that can be snapped to a traditional lego coupling, but otherwise non-universal)
1710387;1504392297;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1710388;1504392594;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-02.log.html#t19:34:56
1710389;1504392595;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-09-02 19:34:56: <kisspunch> gcc 7.1.1 20170630 / ld 2.28.0.20170506 / FT-Jam 2.5.3
1710390;1504392599;mircea_popescu;they are up to gcc SEVEN ?!
1710391;1504392651;mircea_popescu;everything in empire of stupid must end up like mozilla, version 500+ ?
1710392;1504392831;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1481878 << would a sort of bibliography/encyclopedia be useful in the lordship's opinion? have entries for figures that come up often; luby, naggum, etc. obviously these are googleablelier than the dictionary entries, but might benefit from the trilema, # or no #, treatment...?
1710393;1504392831;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 01:33 mircea_popescu: ^ if anyone has suggestions...
1710394;1504392972;*;asciilifeform thinks it would
1710395;1504393002;mircea_popescu;pretty good idea yeah
1710396;1504393494;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710383 <-- not bad at all! long way to go still, though. :)
1710397;1504393494;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 22:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710137 << nice going eh! how's life now that living again ? :D
1710398;1504393514;mircea_popescu;hehe
1710399;1504393893;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710390 <-- aha, "agile". let alone version numbers, the breaking changes they introduce from one version to another seems to grow exponentially. progress!
1710400;1504393893;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 22:49 mircea_popescu: they are up to gcc SEVEN ?!
1710401;1504393959;mircea_popescu;point in case : gcc broke the ints AGAIN http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-02.log.html#t20:21:50
1710402;1504393959;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-09-02 20:21:50: <kisspunch> Same error, fuller logs: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wFttt/?raw=true
1710403;1504395880;kanzure;"Male microchimerism in the human female brain" http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0045592
1710404;1504397368;shinohai;I'm gonna freeze gcc version 4.9.4 on website soon as it seems to be only version thus far that will build tmsr related stuff for me without shitting the bed
1710405;1504398459;trinque;shinohai: 4.9.2's in deedbot for trb deps btw
1710406;1504398479;trinque;I guess ada wants 4.9.4 though, was it?
1710407;1504398522;shinohai;Oh cool
1710408;1504398559;shinohai;4.9.4 was what I had to use for Ada stuff, though I admit I'm not far down that path yet
1710409;1504398597;trinque;http://deedbot.org/deed-427443-5.txt << gcc-4.9.2.tar.bz2
1710410;1504399221;mircea_popescu;in other lulz http://worldofwonder.net/georgia-cop-tells-woman-not-worry-remember-kill-black-people/
1710411;1504399425;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/report-shows-slpc-moving-funds-across-borders/ << Qntra - Report Shows SLPC Moving Funds Across Borders
1710412;1504399641;shinohai;"Anglin is accused of publicizing the existence of an organized campaign of harassment against his mother by a Pantsuit busybody"  <<< gulden
1710413;1504399666;BingoBoingo;Sorry, corrected. It was Ricard Spencer's mother, not Anglin's
1710414;1504399821;shinohai;https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/paax7z/this-twitter-bot-tracks-neo-nazi-bitcoin-transactions   <<< lolz
1710415;1504399838;shinohai;Likely brought to you by Shillbert and Co
1710416;1504400432;mircea_popescu;right.
1710417;1504401605;mircea_popescu;and in other re-industrializations, https://blog.za3k.com/blast-furance/
1710418;1504401678;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/party-monster/ << Trilema - Party Monster
1710419;1504402975;kanzure;why are you stalk za3k
1710420;1504402992;mircea_popescu;see #eulora eh.
1710421;1504403002;kanzure;alright he sucks at privacy
1710422;1504403054;mircea_popescu;he does ?
1710423;1504403071;kanzure;he is the anti-fenn but still should be good at privacy so wtf
1710424;1504403086;mircea_popescu;i don't get your reasoning. man has a blog, what privacy is here involved ?
1710425;1504403099;kanzure;did he use that nym?
1710426;1504403104;mircea_popescu;yes ?
1710427;1504403117;kanzure;oh..
1710428;1504403127;mircea_popescu;what is this, "i'ma be lazy and please don't think it means i'm stupid" ?
1710429;1504403137;kanzure;no i can't explain his lethargy
1710430;1504403157;shinohai;Seeing as how you are expert in privacy http://heybryan.org/
1710431;1504403160;mircea_popescu;i was talking about you. i did say see #eulora. you opted not to. this dun work, it's a bad habit, the sooner you shake it the better.
1710432;1504403213;kanzure;e x p e r t huh
1710433;1504403231;mircea_popescu;would "consultant" work better ?
1710434;1504403248;mircea_popescu;cuz i fear "officious intermeddler" may get the .wik treatment if deployed.
1710435;1504403277;kanzure;btw did you spend more than $2k on fg?
1710436;1504403279;kanzure;just curious
1710437;1504403285;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1710438;1504403293;kanzure;is it public number?
1710439;1504403296;mircea_popescu;no.
1710440;1504403321;mircea_popescu;but it is easily north of 1mn. and this is actuarial costs, rather than "What';d it cost intel to reproduce".
1710441;1504403344;kanzure;i would not have guessed that. what am i missing?
1710442;1504403351;kanzure;i would have guessed <$200k
1710443;1504403352;mircea_popescu;that good engineers are rare.
1710444;1504404015;mircea_popescu;and in other random lulz, http://worldofwonder.net/alt-right-childrens-book-the-adventures-of-pepe-and-pede-cancelled/
1710445;1504404033;mircea_popescu;the remnants of james clark are pretty entertaining. and the dood is publishing at trilema levels, check him out, dozens of items a day1
1710446;1504407332;BingoBoingo;Nashville, Illinois: Home of the honest Superintendent of Schools https://archive.is/46ygc
1710447;1504407534;*;BingoBoingo can even offer directions to there that asciilifeform could follow. Jump on US 50 headed west, Continue on US 50 for some time. Turn South from US-50 to IL-127, drive another 20 ish miles
1710448;1504407620;BingoBoingo;The only difference to alf directions vs local is how long alf stays on US 50
1710449;1504407861;asciilifeform;nao dafuq would i want there, lol
1710450;1504407890;BingoBoingo;Goats?
1710451;1504407895;asciilifeform;in other shitreich lulz, http://archive.is/l0Raz
1710452;1504407902;asciilifeform;'Man Who Refused to Decrypt Hard Drives Still in Prison After Two Years'
1710453;1504407959;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710438 << all the public numberz are in the broadcasts, kanzure
1710454;1504407959;a111;Logged on 2017-09-03 01:48 kanzure: is it public number?
1710455;1504408021;asciilifeform;on mircea_popescu's www, http://trilema.com/category/snsa
1710456;1504408116;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710440 << well to nitpick , given as schematic and rtl are on the www, a one-eyed beggar from calcutta could, in principle, reproduce, dun need the majesty of wintel
1710457;1504408116;a111;Logged on 2017-09-03 01:48 mircea_popescu: but it is easily north of 1mn. and this is actuarial costs, rather than "What';d it cost intel to reproduce".
1710458;1504408225;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710417 << this method worx, it is how amateurs often do aluminum cast
1710459;1504408225;a111;Logged on 2017-09-03 01:20 mircea_popescu: and in other re-industrializations, https://blog.za3k.com/blast-furance/
1710460;1504408235;asciilifeform;dun need anything bigger than the pictured bucket.
1710461;1504408251;asciilifeform;( truly adventurous souls, also try the 'microwave foundry' recipe... )
1710462;1504408550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and yet one-eyed beggar from calcutta DOESN'T.
1710463;1504408580;asciilifeform;i suppose he has better things, evidently
1710464;1504408582;asciilifeform;to do
1710465;1504408597;asciilifeform;( wallow in own gangrenes, or smell roses, or dunno )
1710466;1504408618;mircea_popescu;this perennial "i don't understand why computer costs money, i got mine at walmart" and "hey, i daydream things all day long, why should there be a difference when actual items are involved" isn't going to be engaged on an equal basis.
1710467;1504408702;mircea_popescu;just the clue cptn breezy needs is actually north of a million bucks ; as proven by the fact that all the cptn breezys who won the loterry still couldn't afford to buy it.
1710468;1504409112;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1710469;1504409132;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4622.93, vol: 15807.30008119 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4599.5, vol: 53136.18424155 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4672.81, vol: 7162.77273481 | Volume-weighted last average: 4611.2660222
1710470;1504410253;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/02/obama-is-the-most-expensive-ex-president-for-american-taxpayers/
1710471;1504410259;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/elon-musks-tesla-faces-federal-probe-for-insufficient-socialism-failing-to-make-tesla-ford-again/ << Qntra - Elon Musk's Tesla Faces Federal Probe For Insufficient Socialism, Failing To Make Tesla Ford Again
1710472;1504410266;mircea_popescu;heh
1710473;1504410473;BingoBoingo;In other wads of wank: "A potentially critical pretrial battle, however, is brewing right now, according to court documents filed Tuesday. Winner — the 25-year-old Air Force veteran and ex-National Security Administration contractor indicted under the Espionage Act for allegedly leaking a top-secret document — has accused the FBI of violating her Miranda rights. Winner’s lawyers are arguing that any alleged confession should be bar
1710474;1504410474;BingoBoingo;red from a jury trial."
1710475;1504410520;mircea_popescu;kek
1710476;1504410555;BingoBoingo;From the fake alt-Qntra trying to cover its own ass for shitgnoming https://archive.is/ooCb6
1710477;1504410604;BingoBoingo;"failure to mirandize" isn't going to get the fuckers off for leaking the yellow tracking piss dots
1710478;1504410660;mircea_popescu;such perfect lulz.
1710479;1504410689;mircea_popescu;woman interacting with usg. "oh noes, it wasn't like the risotto. i felt full after the risotto."
1710480;1504410702;BingoBoingo;lol
1710481;1504410711;*;BingoBoingo to sleep on this lulgem
1710482;1504410756;BingoBoingo;And see if less unreputable source reports on it
1710483;1504411410;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710467 << point, for instance despite various noises kako never made 'own fg' from recipe
1710484;1504411410;a111;Logged on 2017-09-03 03:18 mircea_popescu: just the clue cptn breezy needs is actually north of a million bucks ; as proven by the fact that all the cptn breezys who won the loterry still couldn't afford to buy it.
1710485;1504411450;mircea_popescu;noises are nice and good, e3sp because cheap.
1710486;1504411456;asciilifeform;( i actually egged him on in beginning, because hey, a replication is a replication, the more hostile audience the better )
1710487;1504411469;mircea_popescu;not how irl works.
1710488;1504411476;asciilifeform;apparently
1710489;1504411534;mircea_popescu;and if there's no adult males involved in the active humiliation of females and their spawn, the realisation never occurs, "hey, ten tons of feelers and empty verbiage from me ain't work a buck, and ten minutes of that guy's applied time can buy the whole caravan of us cocksuckers".
1710490;1504411543;asciilifeform;btw to where is cpt breezy reference ?
1710491;1504411551;mircea_popescu;to the let me fish it out.\
1710492;1504411606;mircea_popescu;recall, there was a previous #humanfund thingee we visited, and there was an expert there was gonna advise me advices and things.
1710493;1504411610;mircea_popescu;and besides there's already a rng.
1710494;1504411637;asciilifeform;waiwat
1710495;1504411686;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661116 << back in may.
1710496;1504411686;a111;Logged on 2017-05-24 21:58 phf: asciilifeform: your thing is existentially terrifying, it demands a lot from the "user" (not sure it even accepts the notion of user) when they look at it, they see a glimpse of own mortality
1710497;1504411692;asciilifeform;aaaa
1710498;1504411705;asciilifeform;yea
1710499;1504411751;mircea_popescu;i can't remember what the "just as good" piece of cardboard footwear they were brandying about, but anyway.
1710500;1504411767;mircea_popescu;costs well north of a million dollars to even find someone who can be arsed to explain to you the difference.
1710501;1504411795;asciilifeform;treating cost as scalar is bound to lead to lulz
1710502;1504411830;asciilifeform;say yer house came with a few tonnes of firewood. then phriend asks, how much worth of wood you burned that winter.
1710503;1504411835;mircea_popescu;talking about what shit costs when you've never made any shit is bound to lead to lulz as well.
1710504;1504411862;asciilifeform;noshit.jog
1710505;1504411867;asciilifeform;jpg
1710506;1504411875;mircea_popescu;(kinda how socialist "economics" ends up fucked in the ass.)
1710507;1504411906;mircea_popescu;and bad blood on all sides, "oh the capitalists are corrupt and stealing from the people" "omfg these fucktards just destroyed the industry".
1710508;1504412288;mircea_popescu;and in other epic lulz : http://worldofwonder.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/kim-north-interview-mag-cover-810x960.jpg
1710509;1504412312;mircea_popescu;the mother as daughter's fashion accessory. gotta accessorize! and match those brown tones!
1710510;1504412413;asciilifeform;lolwaat
1710511;1504412461;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1710512;1504412479;mircea_popescu;kardashian is just hairy, she's not black.
1710513;1504415457;mircea_popescu;and in other, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709850 we have here https://crimewatchdaily.com/2017/08/22/l-a-detectives-launch-probe-into-mans-death-at-democratic-donors-home-victims-mother-urges-other-alleged-victims-to-come-forward/
1710514;1504415457;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 15:16 asciilifeform: when done to usg -- 'atrocity'
1710515;1504415519;mircea_popescu;(ed buck, pantsuit supporter, killed random black twink)
1710516;1504416845;mircea_popescu;and in other bimbos, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b383eab3e602e30de95ddff4653d3707/tumblr_nwadwlCbWd1uct8g7o1_1280.jpg
1710517;1504417324;hanbot;say, do we have an irc bot (republican made/signed sorta thing)? ben_vulpes ? phf ? lobbes ?
1710518;1504417477;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648773 << it was ##crypto , Captain_Beezay, and the item in question was "onerng".
1710519;1504417477;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 19:09 Framedragger: btw there are like 770 people sitting and talking on ##crypto, it might not even be 100% hopeless, curious if they would respond well to FUCKGOATS advertising
1710520;1504417488;mircea_popescu;hanbot iirc ben_vulpes published a whole thing. or was it trinque
1710521;1504417602;hanbot;ah yeah i see trinque has a logbot genesis (http://trinque.org/2016/08/11/logbot-genesis/), i'll check it out. ty
1710522;1504417612;mircea_popescu;that.
1710523;1504417662;hanbot; Install `ircbot`. << basically am curious if there's anything that eschews this
1710524;1504417720;mircea_popescu;hanbot it's his own sbcl lisp bot
1710525;1504417765;hanbot;oh fuck me. kk i'll check it out better. :)
1710526;1504417807;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710490 fucking finally dug it up! here : http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-found-some-area-of-expertise-in-mathematical-cryptography-one-expects-to-find-here-and-there-plus-divers-spots-missed-while-shaving/#selection-123.0-108.12
1710527;1504417807;a111;Logged on 2017-09-03 04:05 asciilifeform: btw to where is cpt breezy reference ?
1710528;1504417839;*;mircea_popescu is curious how this goes.
1710529;1504420160;hanbot;yeah this is exactly what i wanted, awesome.
1710530;1504439223;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1710531;1504439229;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4566.43, vol: 12479.54716916 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4507.8, vol: 41008.85752752 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4618.3, vol: 5837.88967042 | Volume-weighted last average: 4531.00661814
1710532;1504455191;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/RPoHG/?raw=true
1710533;1504455191;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1710534;1504457057;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2BE34EE92A7ACD83043E8D31B2671DA99D9CFC6B94C6DE55D49E6723F827614 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...2199 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.64.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.64.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (92.243.64.54.addr.datapoint.ru. RU)
1710535;1504457058;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2BE34EE92A7ACD83043E8D31B2671DA99D9CFC6B94C6DE55D49E6723F827614 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1632...7827 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.64.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.64.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (92.243.64.54.addr.datapoint.ru. RU)
1710536;1504457058;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2AD46A5F3655ACBC7663DDF0DDB42EE61827736164708E23FCD1B6D7D30192D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...5833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.87.123.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.87.123.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.peredovaldivia.com. BO L)
1710537;1504457059;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2AD46A5F3655ACBC7663DDF0DDB42EE61827736164708E23FCD1B6D7D30192D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1607...0843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.87.123.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.87.123.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.peredovaldivia.com. BO L)
1710538;1504457574;shinohai;Heh Bolivian IP webcams
1710539;1504459223;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BC57309E50CEC81F8BB77CA608036612485D5676133DE4E0F153DCD05A066BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1474...8913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.242.199.104 (ssh-rsa key from 95.242.199.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host104-199-static.242-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT 57 PU)
1710540;1504459223;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BC57309E50CEC81F8BB77CA608036612485D5676133DE4E0F153DCD05A066BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1729...5037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.242.199.104 (ssh-rsa key from 95.242.199.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host104-199-static.242-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT 57 PU)
1710541;1504460748;mod6;hola
1710542;1504461008;mircea_popescu;hey
1710543;1504461176;mod6;:]
1710544;1504461179;mod6;how goes today?
1710545;1504461324;mircea_popescu;not so bad!
1710546;1504461332;mircea_popescu;gonna go watch birds with morning coffee, bbs
1710547;1504461615;mod6;nice. ok.
1710548;1504463126;mircea_popescu;!up r0nin-
1710549;1504463230;mod6;!!up r0nin-
1710550;1504463230;deedbot;r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes.
1710551;1504464202;r0nin-;hello philo-semites
1710552;1504465238;mircea_popescu;r0nin- nobody gives a shit about you. save your histrionics for your mom, if she's interested.
1710553;1504467865;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/kim-kardashian-cameleo/ << Trilema - Kim Kardashian Cameleo
1710554;1504472109;spyked;stumbled upon http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692820 <-- *theoretically* (where theoretically = I'm mostly pulling this out of spyked arse, so hold on to eggs) possible. problems as far as I can see are 1. no. of transistors, 2. arch/microarch design, e.g. how to use general-purpose registers (assuming there are gp registers there); and I assume there might be bigger problems, some of which mentioned by asciilifeform. static checking
1710555;1504472109;a111;Logged on 2017-08-02 20:28 mircea_popescu: to revisit a very ancient mp wonderment since his less-interested days ( http://trilema.com/2010/curiozitate-calculatoristica/ ) : why not ada-on-a-chip ?
1710556;1504472109;spyked;IMHO could be separated from "compilation" (could as well be part of ada assembler, or "program loader" if there's such a thing).
1710557;1504472168;spyked;also, there's the memory model. lisp machine "cells" are very elegant, while algol-like languages seem pretty muddy on that part. ftr, I have never seriously programmed in ada (closest thing to it was pascal)
1710558;1504472497;spyked;the question is rather which subset is suitable for building in hardware, and I guess this reduces to bounds checking and maybe other critical run-time parts (does ada have gc?)
1710559;1504472659;spyked;hm. actually, ada is used in real-time, so no gc
1710560;1504472947;danielpbarron;http://archive.is/2rCMF << Burning Man lives up to its name. P.S. He died.
1710561;1504472973;mircea_popescu;spyked yeah, mostly resolved towards lisp-on-a-chip
1710562;1504473026;danielpbarron;i chose to post the archived link because the original gives 403 forbidden error in lynx
1710563;1504473288;spyked;mircea_popescu, o, I see. also, for some reason the scenario in original trilema post sounds much more plausible today. if "gpu" monster, then why not dbpu.
1710564;1504473414;mircea_popescu;heh.
1710565;1504473421;mircea_popescu;i'm a visionary what can i tell ye.
1710566;1504477357;asciilifeform;spyked: read about ' content-addressable memory '
1710567;1504477415;asciilifeform;that was the meat of 'db chip' concept. idea is, flipping through N memory locs one by one, to search, is retarded
1710568;1504477449;asciilifeform;you have wires to all of them regardless, why not as all-of-them 'where is S'
1710569;1504477456;asciilifeform;*ask all
1710570;1504477536;*;asciilifeform bbl 
1710571;1504477567;spyked;ah, like the ones they use in switches! yeah makes sense
1710572;1504478410;trinque;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-trinque?d=2017-9-3#198716 << demo of a few paybot commands
1710573;1504478410;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-09-03 22:12 trinque: !!balance
1710574;1504478421;trinque;^ cross channel quoting, nice!
1710575;1504478478;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun
1710576;1504478493;trinque;all that's left for a usable first cut is a payment to a particular invoice, and a command to list one's inbound and outbound invoices
1710577;1504478544;mircea_popescu;trinque deposit doesn't need verification does it ?
1710578;1504478571;mircea_popescu;and !!pay should respond "Done." if success.
1710579;1504478580;trinque;did, I had a bug and fixed
1710580;1504478581;mircea_popescu;ah it does. kk.
1710581;1504478582;trinque;then re-ran
1710582;1504478587;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/party-monster-2/ << Trilema - Party Monster
1710583;1504478612;mircea_popescu;spiffy.
1710584;1504478625;trinque;the thought re OTP is if I don't force people to verify one, I'm letting allcomers generate "chosen-plaintext" for a particular key
1710585;1504478640;mircea_popescu;all voiced.
1710586;1504478670;trinque;if that doesn't bother anyone, can remove the step, yep.
1710587;1504478678;mircea_popescu;and you don't really have to generate ANOTHER one.
1710588;1504478721;mircea_popescu;see, way it works is, acct requests a deposit address. you look if you have one, if you don't you create and communicate. if it gets paid you sweep it, and remove it off "there's one". if it isn't paid you just reuse it next time
1710589;1504478729;mircea_popescu;this make sense or should i write example ?
1710590;1504478733;trinque;all same address for deposits.
1710591;1504478742;trinque;they're distinguished by amount
1710592;1504478748;mircea_popescu;ah ah. right, then nm.
1710593;1504478799;trinque;in fact my fee for the bot operation comes at time of deposit. say you want to deposit 5btc. it may ask you to deposit 5.00004821.
1710594;1504478814;mircea_popescu;ah and you keep the 4821 ?
1710595;1504478818;trinque;yep
1710596;1504478827;mircea_popescu;yeah, reasonable.
1710597;1504478930;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: But was it a Disco inferno?
1710598;1504478939;trinque;only point I'm looking for an operator fee, can then do as many ops as one likes.
1710599;1504479199;mircea_popescu;and speaking of "reality winner", why not go all out with it ? Other Leigh Person.
1710600;1504479223;mircea_popescu;"and who did you see at the crime scene ?" "Other Person" "Ah, so not this one ? Thank you. Your honor, no further questions."
1710601;1504479239;BingoBoingo;Lol!
1710602;1504479279;BingoBoingo;Self indicting court reporters!
1710603;1504479761;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in butts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8643b9d616549f295ff80d27172d179b/tumblr_npk3f6mHft1t629q4o1_500.gif
1710604;1504479891;shinohai;Looks good fer buttcoin.
1710605;1504479905;mircea_popescu;ehehe word.
1710606;1504490759;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705864 << for starting fires, collect the lint from your dryer, mix in a plastic zip-lock bag with equal volume of shortening
1710607;1504490759;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 22:50 BingoBoingo: Ah fine, I'll start keeping the sawdust/bar oil slurry
1710608;1504490792;asciilifeform;ew synthetics nasty
1710609;1504490813;asciilifeform;PeterL would eat foodstuffs cooked over this?!
1710610;1504490832;PeterL;it is just to get the fire going, you only need a pinch
1710611;1504490849;PeterL;and what synthetics, it is mostly cotton fibres
1710612;1504490862;asciilifeform;depends whose lint trap neh
1710613;1504490872;PeterL;right, does depend
1710614;1504490907;PeterL;my brother-in-law said he tried it, the fires smelled horribly of dogs (he has 3 dogs)
1710615;1504490990;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709989 << I was reading through the keccac documents, got about 90% of it implemented in python, then said this is ugly and horribly inefficient, I should try ada, and have been leaning ada the past couple weeks
1710616;1504490990;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 16:44 mircea_popescu: one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes  (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much ; and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good.
1710617;1504491047;asciilifeform;PeterL: use the subset of ada shown in ffa. i.e. no oop, no finalizations, no tasks, no array concatenation, no heap allocation.
1710618;1504491082;asciilifeform;none of that shit belongs in implementation of a fundamental algo .
1710619;1504491105;asciilifeform;( bonus for when PeterL realizes that mp's hash cannot actually be implemented in sane constraints... )
1710620;1504491112;mircea_popescu;doh.
1710621;1504491177;PeterL;I was looking through this https://github.com/damaki/libkeccak
1710622;1504491216;asciilifeform;holy FUCK is that thing massive nao
1710623;1504491229;asciilifeform;several 100 files, and why.
1710624;1504491250;asciilifeform;i guess THIS is what they put on shithub to 'replace' the original that was deleted
1710625;1504491263;mircea_popescu;heh
1710626;1504491316;PeterL;right, I think if we implement it it would be quite smaller
1710627;1504491509;PeterL;speaking of github, a while ago I was reading through some random code there, and they had a variable which was about 75 characters in length. I understand trying to make your variable names meaningful, but that is just absurd!
1710628;1504491551;mircea_popescu;maybe it had to include all its tulpas.
1710629;1504492012;PeterL;in implementing keccac, do we really need to have special case functions for 256 bit and 512 bit outputs? couldn't we just define it as the variable length output function and then if somebody wants 256 bit output they just choose that as the length?
1710630;1504492046;asciilifeform;ideally
1710631;1504492061;asciilifeform;maginumberz are evil.
1710632;1504492079;asciilifeform;fuck magic 512, or whichever, no reason for any such thing to be carried forward.
1710633;1504492097;mircea_popescu;general purpose function.
1710634;1504492545;PeterL;anyway, I am off to bed now
1710635;1504494031;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> maginumberz are evil. << They also have boring tulpas
1710636;1504494621;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2017/09/report-shows-slpc-moving-funds-across-borders/#comment-108990
1710637;1504498007;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/information-of-usg-approved-job-seekers-left-exposed-on-amazon-bucket/ << Qntra - Information Of USG Approved Job Seekers Left Exposed On Amazon "Bucket"
1710638;1504498090;mircea_popescu;aaand in other lulz from long ago, http://trilema.com/2013/were-all-one/ "wtf is this S.NSA garbage"
1710639;1504498221;BingoBoingo;lol, whatever happened to eskimo bob and his coinless heat mine
1710640;1504498251;mircea_popescu;what could have possibly happened. went back into the soup that spawns them.
1710641;1504498276;mircea_popescu;to re-emerge later as a "different" expert equally expertful, ofcourse.
1710642;1504498338;BingoBoingo;thought maybe burned in mine accident
1710643;1504498383;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: qntra db eggog?!
1710644;1504498383;mircea_popescu;i don't think it was ever big enough for that.
1710645;1504498428;asciilifeform;loads for anybody ?
1710646;1504498493;asciilifeform;hm nao worx
1710647;1504498500;asciilifeform;prolly under ddos
1710648;1504498504;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Happens from time to time
1710649;1504498524;mircea_popescu;Queries per second avg: 7.100
1710650;1504498529;mircea_popescu;ahem.
1710651;1504498571;asciilifeform;and front page of it is what, 10kB? dbs suck...
1710652;1504498585;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1710653;1504498617;asciilifeform;ye olde 'disk does 100mB/s, why does db choke at 100kB/s ' thread.
1710654;1504498639;mircea_popescu;not a matter of bandwidth i dun think. query count.
1710655;1504498668;asciilifeform;well yes.
1710656;1504498698;*;BingoBoingo about to try query cutting measure
1710657;1504498706;asciilifeform;the overhead of 'general purpose db' is ludicrous
1710658;1504498751;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3ECE1DC79B41578A9A765B6875DBFA67D92D940350B3F832772C90ADB9DD980E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1282...7113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.74 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1710659;1504498752;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9BF7D939A931B4BF98264D08864ABEED2792A269E1306FA3B1530E878DFE9714 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1282...7113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.50 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1710660;1504498752;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C90E36ACAF227F40884C95FC6304F9AE04201B80CF895400DF9F244788CF79C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1282...7113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.60 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1710661;1504498753;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/422D344B23210CB546373993313B4C67217FDCD2A5B473AF0E3D73110F7D1334 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1282...7113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.49 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1710662;1504498753;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC28A8C915BF048456C5294B50EF4E9D0E032024B46778FF29788CEDE94D7EA3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1282...7113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.125 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1710663;1504498754;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BD93382E8B0CE07C1F76ACB19483596E3BDB288B5F9C3848B66566790856981A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1282...7113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.160 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.160 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1710664;1504498754;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/986CBE61250486DABCEC88D21AEBC21E3B49C40F0EB81B86305B3FD41350E0ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1282...7113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.159 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1710665;1504498755;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3ECE1DC79B41578A9A765B6875DBFA67D92D940350B3F832772C90ADB9DD980E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1339...2313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.74 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
1710666;1504498758;mircea_popescu;kik
1710667;1504498789;mircea_popescu;interesting how the phuctored list goes longer over time
1710668;1504498834;asciilifeform;oh heyheyheylbj!
1710669;1504498866;mircea_popescu;find one bad key, find another 8 keys weak to the previously unknown other-prime
1710670;1504498917;asciilifeform;2 is same as 9000 in this respect
1710671;1504498924;mircea_popescu;myea
1710672;1504498939;mircea_popescu;we're prolly gonna run into a 9k at some point too.
1710673;1504498952;asciilifeform;( bernsteintronic phuctorator dun care how many, nor ever uses the individual factors per se for anything )
1710674;1504499237;asciilifeform;!$ssh 74.45.228.159
1710675;1504499237;scriba;ssh banner of 74.45.228.159 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
1710676;1504499248;asciilifeform;ohheyhey not debian.
1710677;1504499435;asciilifeform;nao if only any of these were live today.
1710678;1504499471;asciilifeform;gotta ask Framedragger to include http/https snapshots in the next go-around.
1710679;1504499497;asciilifeform;( supposing d00d is still alive..
1710680;1504499500;asciilifeform;)
1710681;1504499527;mircea_popescu;ya whatever hapenned to him.
1710682;1504499539;mircea_popescu;speaking of this, whatever happened to the alf chick.
1710683;1504499557;asciilifeform;prolly same thing as to the german
1710684;1504499578;asciilifeform;went off to 'free choice' whatever nonsense somewhere.
1710685;1504499618;mircea_popescu;ya think ?
1710686;1504499625;BingoBoingo;lol at the social engineer called out http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8846
1710687;1504499654;BingoBoingo;archived https://archive.is/tSZN7
1710688;1504499671;BingoBoingo;Also qntra www stress on DB should be reduced
1710689;1504500447;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/standingovulation/
1710690;1504501852;mircea_popescu;!!up newleaf
1710691;1504501853;deedbot;newleaf voiced for 30 minutes.
1710692;1504503063;hanbot;; compiling (DEFUN MAKE-IRCBOT ...) << lisp is no fun at all!
1710693;1504503072;mircea_popescu;lol!
1710694;1504503174;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1710695;1504503181;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4525.0, vol: 10752.52436546 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4520.0, vol: 29383.73959597 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4417.005474, vol: 11545.50450000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4588.3, vol: 4424.62088146 | Volume-weighted last average: 4505.15036264
1710696;1504503211;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1710697;1504503212;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 483418 | Current Difficulty: 8.88171856257E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 483839 | Next Difficulty In: 421 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1710698;1504503720;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AC66FE01294598AD49CDB0FCE12320B7802ACCAD8AA3A5DDA84BDB71D28DDB0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1570...8599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.181.243 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.181.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
1710699;1504503720;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AC66FE01294598AD49CDB0FCE12320B7802ACCAD8AA3A5DDA84BDB71D28DDB0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...9609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.181.243 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.181.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
1710700;1504504111;BingoBoingo;Pinoys Get Promoted https://archive.is/X9A3t
1710701;1504508338;hanbot;say trinque : tyvm for making this ircbot & post. i can get it to connect and authenticate, but not to join a channel (target channel was given along with port nick etc). can i make it join after it's connected?
1710702;1504525803;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-04#1710701 << ircbot automatically joins when nickserv says "You are now identified for <bot's nick>." http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-genesis#L158
1710703;1504525803;a111;Logged on 2017-09-04 06:58 hanbot: say trinque : tyvm for making this ircbot & post. i can get it to connect and authenticate, but not to join a channel (target channel was given along with port nick etc). can i make it join after it's connected?
1710704;1504525866;phf;problem is that nickserv doesn't say that anymore, the message is still the same, but it now adds some control sequences that i think make the font bold or italic or something in the legacy irc clients (???)
1710705;1504526310;phf;looking at my code, i have the whole cond form (i.e. http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-genesis#L152) wrapped in (let ((msgtext (remove-if (lambda (c) (member c (list (code-char 1) (code-char 2)))) msgtext))) ...) which is a bit lazy, but works
1710706;1504533007;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/04E25E69BA5103D060322C0EFC3C46726985FA14DB03B5042765F8F128847818 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1544...5677 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '141.85.252.177 (ssh-rsa key from 141.85.252.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RO B)
1710707;1504533007;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/04E25E69BA5103D060322C0EFC3C46726985FA14DB03B5042765F8F128847818 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1543...2363 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '141.85.252.177 (ssh-rsa key from 141.85.252.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RO B)
1710708;1504535023;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1R8Ok/?raw=true
1710709;1504535023;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1710710;1504540095;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-04#1710692 << wahaha
1710711;1504540095;a111;Logged on 2017-09-04 05:31 hanbot: ; compiling (DEFUN MAKE-IRCBOT ...) << lisp is no fun at all!
1710712;1504540231;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-04#1710704 << hm, don't think I've modified that for deedbot; how'd I be getting around it? that said, stripping the nonsense if present sounds like a sane patch.
1710713;1504540231;a111;Logged on 2017-09-04 11:51 phf: problem is that nickserv doesn't say that anymore, the message is still the same, but it now adds some control sequences that i think make the font bold or italic or something in the legacy irc clients (???)
1710714;1504546191;shinohai;8mb blocks just aren't big enough ... WHY NOT 1GB BLOX!!!!! http://archive.is/DrxIW
1710715;1504547828;hanbot;ty phf, i'll try that. also the bot identifies as me (grouped to my acct); if it was expecting bot's nick maybe that's a problem...
1710716;1504547902;asciilifeform;oh hey conveniently includes list of quisling academitard names
1710717;1504548056;asciilifeform;Andrea Suisani, Peter Rizun, Peter Tschipper, Andrew Stone, Andrew Clifford, Stefan Mathews, Prof. Victoria Lemieux, Prof. Chen Feng
1710718;1504548089;trinque;hanbot: it is indeed expecting to see its own nick come back in those strings.
1710719;1504548109;asciilifeform;rizun and lemieux appear to be leads
1710720;1504548265;trinque;asciilifeform: http://archive.is/LTf4O << relatedly "We see it as a stepping stone to a future where central banks issue their own [cryptocurrency] at some point." says UBS reptile
1710721;1504548350;trinque;mark of the beast, eh danielpbarron ?
1710722;1504548897;shinohai;I almost hate the fucking word `blockchain` by now
1710723;1504549770;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-04#1710704 << jaysus.
1710724;1504549770;a111;Logged on 2017-09-04 11:51 phf: problem is that nickserv doesn't say that anymore, the message is still the same, but it now adds some control sequences that i think make the font bold or italic or something in the legacy irc clients (???)
1710725;1504549778;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1710726;1504549778;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Rizun emerged around XTCoin's campaign
1710727;1504549786;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4138.76, vol: 22225.14255970 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4132.1, vol: 53480.57479784 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4210.0, vol: 7620.04058207 | Volume-weighted last average: 4141.0002564
1710728;1504549913;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-04#1710714 <<< amusingly that's not even new, 2014s nonsense.
1710729;1504549913;a111;Logged on 2017-09-04 17:29 shinohai: 8mb blocks just aren't big enough ... WHY NOT 1GB BLOX!!!!! http://archive.is/DrxIW
1710730;1504549989;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-04#1710722 << it's impossible not to end up hating the descriptive words the niggers try to make into their pathetic "brands".
1710731;1504549989;a111;Logged on 2017-09-04 18:14 shinohai: I almost hate the fucking word `blockchain` by now
1710732;1504550305;shinohai;Ah buenas tardes mircea_popescu !
1710733;1504550358;mircea_popescu;hola
1710734;1504551427;shinohai;http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/pantsuits.mp4
1710735;1504557697;mod6;<+shinohai> I almost hate the fucking word `blockchain` by now << these guys are funny huh?
1710736;1504557887;shinohai;I wonder how ben_vulpes and his SO ever had children without a blockchain app to record menstrual cycles on.
1710737;1504560678;hanbot;* tmsrcat (~tmsrcat@unaffiliated/hanbot/bot/tmsrcat) has joined #trilema-hanbot << yeah it was all my account setup's fault, thanks phf & trinque. hopefully i'ma manage to make something useful out of this.
1710738;1504560745;mircea_popescu;o hey
1710739;1504577547;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-august-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2017 Statement
1710740;1504578741;mircea_popescu;and in other early birds getting the worm, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e0f11a8e2e67a37bf2912673a7c17573/tumblr_ntkc25tpPZ1tlfgs7o1_500.gif
1710741;1504583495;asciilifeform;in other lullatronics,
1710742;1504583504;asciilifeform;13:20 < eb3c90> I like the idea of BCIs , but not found a computer I trust enough to interface with yet.
1710743;1504583504;asciilifeform;...
1710744;1504583504;asciilifeform;13:25 < fltrz> I also have issue with trustworthiness of computers, but even more so for any future mass deployed BCI interfaces by say facebook etc
1710745;1504583551;asciilifeform;elsewhere,
1710746;1504583553;asciilifeform;12:33 < TMA> eb3c90: for all I know, any progress (or even any "progress") so far was made by increasing cooperation -- i.e. reducing autonomy
1710747;1504583554;asciilifeform;12:36 < TMA> eb3c90: which somewhat bothers me, because I feel I need to be autonomous, for I am unable to cooperate meaningfully [as measured by not ripping off/not being ripped off]
1710748;1504583561;asciilifeform;didjaknow!
1710749;1504583862;BingoBoingo;lol
1710750;1504583864;BingoBoingo;!!Up ppsk
1710751;1504583865;deedbot;ppsk voiced for 30 minutes.
1710752;1504583884;ppsk;hows it going
1710753;1504584068;BingoBoingo;Not too bad
1710754;1504584076;BingoBoingo;WHo is your daddy and what does he do?
1710755;1504584169;ppsk;is there any reality where you can read that line and not automatically imagine it in an austrian accent
1710756;1504584390;ppsk;are there any other blogs worth reading, similar but not necessarily the same as Mircea's?
1710757;1504584530;BingoBoingo;That doesn't look like an answer to zee question
1710758;1504584558;ppsk;my daddy is dead
1710759;1504584568;ppsk;so he does nothing. Nothing at all, would be my guess.
1710760;1504584701;BingoBoingo;Acceptance is the answer. You don't *have* to be such a downer about things.
1710761;1504584753;ppsk;mkay
1710762;1504584876;BingoBoingo;!~step 3
1710763;1504584876;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "step" is not a valid command.
1710764;1504584883;BingoBoingo;!~step3
1710765;1504584883;jhvh1;3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
1710766;1504584956;ppsk;i feel like im missing out on an in-joke
1710767;1504585077;BingoBoingo;Or perhaps a new way of life?
1710768;1504585422;BingoBoingo;Have you tried getting news from Qntra?
1710769;1504585477;ppsk;coincidentally, i just found qntra yesterday
1710770;1504585556;ppsk;Its strange, you all seem to be involved in rather significant events in the world, but you wouldn't know it from interacting with any easily accessible source of information, and certainly not from interacting with the redditard crowd
1710771;1504585676;asciilifeform;!#s unhappened
1710772;1504585677;a111;26 results for "unhappened", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=unhappened
1710773;1504585767;asciilifeform;!#s never happened
1710774;1504585768;a111;304 results for "never happened", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=never%20happened
1710775;1504585779;asciilifeform;^ intro to subj
1710776;1504585839;asciilifeform;( most, imho, compactly summarized in http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 )
1710777;1504585839;a111;Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1710778;1504585953;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/trump-to-pressure-congress-sets-collision-course-over-hussein-bahamas-legacy-of-executive-overreach/ << Qntra - Trump To Pressure Congress, Sets Collision Course Over Hussein Bahamas' Legacy Of Executive Overreach
1710779;1504586017;BingoBoingo;^ Brought to you by the latest innovations in Lulzcasting
1710780;1504586068;BingoBoingo;ppsk: Anyways if you want to get caught up, read the logs for 2013 and the past six months.
1710781;1504586080;asciilifeform;!!up ppsk
1710782;1504586080;deedbot;ppsk voiced for 30 minutes.
1710783;1504586099;ppsk;thanks, will do
1710784;1504586596;BingoBoingo;Also, make sure you get to a healthy weight by the time you get to the 2015 logs, or you can't say you weren't trigger warned.
1710785;1504587480;mircea_popescu;loller
1710786;1504587562;BingoBoingo;Sometimes they cooperate
1710787;1504587760;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1710788;1504587768;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4084.43, vol: 29399.06186728 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4044.3, vol: 74418.1876708 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3841.461129, vol: 34313.76140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4244.2, vol: 10540.5709551 | Volume-weighted last average: 4019.59238548
1710789;1504587797;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market Ferrari
1710790;1504587798;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all'
1710791;1504587807;BingoBoingo;Meh, coaster
1710792;1504588178;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/w76wV/?raw=true
1710793;1504588178;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1710794;1504588962;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/04/file-under-hoodrich/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - File under #hoodrich
1710795;1504589548;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710742 << what['s "bci" supposed to be in human language ?
1710796;1504589548;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 03:51 asciilifeform: 13:20 < eb3c90> I like the idea of BCIs , but not found a computer I trust enough to interface with yet.
1710797;1504589624;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710756 >> sure. thelastpsychiatrist.com is pretty good. oglaf.com is also pretty good.
1710798;1504589624;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 04:06 ppsk: are there any other blogs worth reading, similar but not necessarily the same as Mircea's?
1710799;1504589649;mircea_popescu;the naggum archive, though epistolary in stile, also much appreciated in these halls. though prolly worth more for the commentary than for what it says.
1710800;1504589660;mircea_popescu;and i'm sure i'm forgetting something.
1710801;1504589732;mircea_popescu;+ the logs, goes without saying.
1710802;1504591559;hanbot;mircea_popescu>  what['s "bci" supposed to be in human language ?  "Brain-computer interfaces allow you to manipulate computers and machinery with your thoughts." i.e. 'mirror mirror on the wall, who's the bestest of them all? (me! me! me!)', i'm guessing.
1710803;1504591612;mircea_popescu;eh ffs
1710804;1504591639;mircea_popescu;i am very happy with the computer interfaces as were available cca 1960.
1710805;1504591689;mircea_popescu;in fact, there has been NO improvement in the field. gorilla-arm touch screens are exactly the equivalent of the "NEW! BETTER! MODERN! SLEEK! WILL TAKE OFF ANY DAY NOW!!!" "3d vision" crap. comes back on a 17.8 year period like some fucking comet of stupid, "hey, maybe they'll like it this time"
1710806;1504591726;mircea_popescu;like some god damned "restaurant" / morgue of some roach motel, "keep bringing the pasta in, dwayne, who cares it's 9 months old. they're paying for it eventually!"
1710807;1504591751;mircea_popescu;all the progress in terms of "BCI" has been shittier keyboards and latency in the machine. noty.
1710808;1504591866;hanbot;hey, if they keep pushing for things getting easier, eventually the computer will boot and shoot the user, who no longer has to confront the pesky toils of living.
1710809;1504591876;mircea_popescu;if only.
1710810;1504592972;hanbot;btw mircea_popescu can haz a bot call command? is http://www.contravex.com/trilema-bots-directory/ accurate, ie next in line is !A?
1710811;1504593021;mircea_popescu;!#s "!A"
1710812;1504593023;a111;59 results for "\"!A\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22!A%22
1710813;1504593078;mircea_popescu;hanbot yeah, last given is iirc lobbesbot 's !Q. so you can have !A
1710814;1504593099;hanbot;kk
1710815;1504616917;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4lO1B/?raw=true
1710816;1504616918;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1710817;1504617316;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710807 << 'bci' has 0 to do with keyboards, shitty or great, it's that thing where they drill into yer brain and put electrode. so far worx well enough for quadriplegic to no longer be stuck with ye old blink-morse, nao has 2d mouse cursor ( this however is not new, decade or so iirc )
1710818;1504617316;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 06:09 mircea_popescu: all the progress in terms of "BCI" has been shittier keyboards and latency in the machine. noty.
1710819;1504617369;asciilifeform;( the people who gave us shitty kbd and gorilla-arm, the heathens refer to as 'hci'. )
1710820;1504617430;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710808 << this, in the form of the comp that actually kills you when you die in world of whatevercraft etc, is an ancient dream. and pretty sure that ~every kid reinvents it.
1710821;1504617430;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 06:11 hanbot: hey, if they keep pushing for things getting easier, eventually the computer will boot and shoot the user, who no longer has to confront the pesky toils of living.
1710822;1504617448;asciilifeform;picture the 'realism' !
1710823;1504617472;asciilifeform;if usg were to unban it, it'd take over the american market overnight: deathstation !
1710824;1504617708;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710804 << oblig! >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861
1710825;1504617708;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 06:07 mircea_popescu: i am very happy with the computer interfaces as were available cca 1960.
1710826;1504617720;asciilifeform;( observe what was available in 1960s, but NOT today... )
1710827;1504617915;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://archive.is/6t8bO >> 'The NYPD has to scrap the 36,000 smartphones it gave cops over the past two years because they’re already obsolete and can’t be upgraded, The Post has learned. The city bought Microsoft-based Nokia smartphones as part of a $160 million NYPD Mobility Initiative that Mayor Bill de Blasio touted as “a huge step into the 21st century.”'
1710828;1504617972;asciilifeform;( replaced with.... ipnoje )
1710829;1504621845;phf;internet is fascinating from moscow. i didn't realize how many websites are mediated by cloudflare, but now i know because every few clicks i'm asked to confirm that i'm not a bot
1710830;1504623293;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710829   <<< bwahahaha perhaps phf haz attained evil Russian botnet master status.
1710831;1504623293;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 14:30 phf: internet is fascinating from moscow. i didn't realize how many websites are mediated by cloudflare, but now i know because every few clicks i'm asked to confirm that i'm not a bot
1710832;1504624006;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! all outstanding FG orders to today SHIPPED !
1710833;1504624610;mod6;mornin'
1710834;1504624645;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710809 << lol
1710835;1504624645;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 06:11 mircea_popescu: if only.
1710836;1504630443;lobbes;Just ordered my 480gb ssd for my soon-to-be trb node. Hopefully big enough, but after review of the logs it sounds like the things die long before they fill
1710837;1504630504;asciilifeform;lobbes: the bigger ssd, the longer life, consider why
1710838;1504630512;asciilifeform;( entirely aside from 'blockchain grows to fill it' )
1710839;1504630569;asciilifeform;lobbes: make absolutely sure that you have 'trim' working.
1710840;1504630583;asciilifeform;otherwise your disk will burn out in half or less of the time.
1710841;1504630592;*;lobbes goes to read up on 'trim'
1710842;1504630613;asciilifeform;( 'trim' is the procedure whereby space marked empty by the fs, is made known to the write-levelling controller )
1710843;1504630635;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701701 << thread
1710844;1504630635;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 02:09 asciilifeform: fstrim !
1710845;1504637253;ben_vulpes;archive.is dead?
1710846;1504637306;asciilifeform;seems to work here
1710847;1504637691;mod6;i feel like we aught to make our own mirror
1710848;1504637691;ben_vulpes;i keep getting cloudflare 502s
1710849;1504638066;asciilifeform;mod6: several folx, incl. asciilifeform , attempted, turns out that it is harder than looks at first glance
1710850;1504638128;trinque;an archive.is mirror would be colossal, and not in the idiot american "synonym for super ossum" sense
1710851;1504638142;asciilifeform;mirror useful, but replacement imho moar useful.
1710852;1504638144;trinque;aha
1710853;1504646506;mod6;wb
1710854;1504646549;mircea_popescu;ty!
1710855;1504646742;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710819 << yes yes, i'll make my own categories and draw my own separators if you dun mind.
1710856;1504646742;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 13:16 asciilifeform: ( the people who gave us shitty kbd and gorilla-arm, the heathens refer to as 'hci'. )
1710857;1504646750;mircea_popescu;"brain interface" my foot.
1710858;1504647076;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710827 << picked wrong reality winner.
1710859;1504647076;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 13:25 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://archive.is/6t8bO >> 'The NYPD has to scrap the 36,000 smartphones it gave cops over the past two years because they’re already obsolete and can’t be upgraded, The Post has learned. The city bought Microsoft-based Nokia smartphones as part of a $160 million NYPD Mobility Initiative that Mayor Bill de Blasio touted as “a huge step into the 21st century.”'
1710860;1504647202;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710829 << o ya, us.net is about as broken as china's.
1710861;1504647202;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 14:30 phf: internet is fascinating from moscow. i didn't realize how many websites are mediated by cloudflare, but now i know because every few clicks i'm asked to confirm that i'm not a bot
1710862;1504647264;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710847 << not even false, but we need our own isp first.
1710863;1504647264;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 18:54 mod6: i feel like we aught to make our own mirror
1710864;1504647281;mircea_popescu;typical "and ima use the redundant capacity for" job.
1710865;1504647596;asciilifeform;there ~is~ unfilled bandwidth on dulap.
1710866;1504647705;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710855 << point was that it was even lulzier snakeoil than apparent -- the solarshade derps actually dream of jacking microshit directly into their skulls
1710867;1504647705;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 21:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710819 << yes yes, i'll make my own categories and draw my own separators if you dun mind.
1710868;1504647747;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1710869;1504647780;mircea_popescu;it's not so much that the pantsuit is a chtonic cult, but rather that the entire, complete and sole aspiration of these scumbag's lives is to climb back into mom's amniotic sac.
1710870;1504647810;mircea_popescu;as they say, if you're not going up you're thereby going down, and indeed - the unmaturing avortons are not merely stationary, but regressive.
1710871;1504649229;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1710872;1504649236;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4404.39, vol: 20658.66876474 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4380.6, vol: 57407.73113621 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4464.71, vol: 7024.87653203 | Volume-weighted last average: 4393.31965988
1710873;1504649902;mircea_popescu;if hussein bahamas didn't (somehow, incomprehensibly) manage to convince everyone forevermore that black people are fundamentally and for that reason unfit for any sort of social participation, this cinematic atrocity with will smith certainly does.
1710874;1504649931;mircea_popescu;"six degrees of separation" from humanity. rocks are five degrees, computers are like three. will smith is six.
1710875;1504649953;mircea_popescu;along with sutherland and whoever is the anon dumb bitch playing opposite.
1710876;1504651290;BingoBoingo;lol
1710877;1504651773;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/b4EQzns.png
1710878;1504651809;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: laugh, but there was actually a shitstarter featuring a similar object.
1710879;1504651820;asciilifeform;( iirc -- funded. )
1710880;1504652003;shinohai;BingoBoingo: I'm not interested if it doesn't have it's on HOSE blockchain on Ethereum.
1710881;1504652035;ben_vulpes;subject of all-caps ethercrap: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2017/09/04/ico-of-the-day-synthetic-rhino-horn-erection-pills-on-the-blockchain/
1710882;1504652087;asciilifeform;lol!
1710883;1504652198;ben_vulpes;aaand the pacific northwest is on fire
1710884;1504652228;*;ben_vulpes considering buying a few air filters for the haus
1710885;1504652285;asciilifeform;did we ever do the 'usg is directly responsible for every forest fire' thread, or is it immediately obvious how, and dun need thread..?
1710886;1504652337;ben_vulpes;the firefighting project in place since the fifties or so?
1710887;1504652343;asciilifeform;aha
1710888;1504652357;ben_vulpes;no asciilifeform it's thanks to al gore and global warming dontcha know
1710889;1504652358;asciilifeform;aka kindling-piling.
1710890;1504652393;ben_vulpes;"nono, it's the two degrees warmer winters that let the beetles chew through more forest than usual!"
1710891;1504652400;asciilifeform;lolaha.
1710892;1504652439;ben_vulpes;nevermind that if one just let the dead wood burn out every five years as god intended the beetles would be vastly less numerous and their impact negligible
1710893;1504652452;ben_vulpes;"okay well i guess a little of column a and a little of column b..."
1710894;1504652477;ben_vulpes;folks gotta have their cabins in the middleoffuckingnowhere and mother government gotta keep their 'investments' from burning down.
1710895;1504652538;ben_vulpes;now if these remote outposts were made of stone perhaps this would be less of a concern, but they gotta be made cheaply, and out of the same vinyl as the rest of the shitboard housing stock
1710896;1504652553;ben_vulpes;because race-to-the-bottom in highly regulated markets.
1710897;1504652556;ben_vulpes;but this is an old thread.
1710898;1504653023;trinque;relatedly, it's been lulzy listening to all the new houstonians re: "holy shit global warming superhurricanes"
1710899;1504653028;trinque;uh? ever heard of texas folks?
1710900;1504653031;trinque;it tries to kill you.
1710901;1504653038;trinque;if you let it win, you lose.
1710902;1504653062;trinque;d'oh, *if you let it!
1710903;1504653223;ben_vulpes;oregon very definitely does not try to kill denizens on a regular basis; might explain the weenie factor in these parts
1710904;1504654404;*;asciilifeform got a chinese arm board going, 'mx28', after it was quite near the rubbish bin. tip for future folx trying to get one of these things up, but it resets itself every second or so : look for 'watchdog' in the schematic, and try to find and kill
1710905;1504654427;asciilifeform;it's this idiocy that autoresets crashware 'because writing correct software is impossible' or somesuch.
1710906;1504654437;asciilifeform;built into -- apparently -- every arm soc
1710907;1504654445;asciilifeform;and enabled BY DEFAULT on chinese pieces of shit.
1710908;1504654490;asciilifeform;infuriating.
1710909;1504656014;BingoBoingo;First!
1710910;1504656018;mircea_popescu;o brother.
1710911;1504656044;asciilifeform;waiawat
1710912;1504656061;mircea_popescu;srsly, auto power cycler built in ?
1710913;1504656070;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Every SECOND!
1710914;1504656081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wouldjabelieve, it's in EVERY single pieceofshit arm ever built.
1710915;1504656086;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1710916;1504656097;asciilifeform;'powercycle-unless-bit-written-in-that-there-reg-every-sec'
1710917;1504656111;mircea_popescu;this is starting to sound like arm-texas.
1710918;1504656152;asciilifeform;fwiw armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc builds out-of-the-box for this rubbish.
1710919;1504656159;asciilifeform;( any static elf runs )
1710920;1504656784;asciilifeform;these are 10bux/ea. 64Mram/128Mflash/5 UARTs/lotsa GPIO/2xUSB2/100MBnic boardz
1710921;1504656792;asciilifeform;schematic published, but everything (incl. docs) in cn.
1710922;1504656839;asciilifeform;'EasyARM-i.MX280A'.
1710923;1504657818;mircea_popescu;maybe it's some derpy "gps 1 meter resolution and not above 100m altitude" thing, you know ?
1710924;1504657822;mircea_popescu;"for security"
1710925;1504657962;asciilifeform;can't think of how that'd appl
1710926;1504657963;asciilifeform;y
1710927;1504657974;mircea_popescu;i dunno, can't use them in a rocket if they keep rebooting ?
1710928;1504658009;asciilifeform;can't get to the shell either. this is moar of a 'chineseness test' -- 'board is unusable unless you put jumper back on right-over-there'
1710929;1504660507;mod6;evenin
1710930;1504663572;asciilifeform;wb mike_c !
1710931;1504663624;mike_c;good evening!
1710932;1504663717;mircea_popescu;how goes
1710933;1504663748;mike_c;pretty good after a week at the beach
1710934;1504664398;mike_c;up to block 358824.  chugging along.
1710935;1504665115;mod6;evenin'
1710936;1504665136;mod6;sounds good mike_c!
1710937;1504665142;mike_c;progress
1710938;1504665776;BingoBoingo;So looks like Floridians are getting a visit from Carma following gloating about "we R bettr @ storm recovery"
1710939;1504668361;BingoBoingo;Also the media noise today is full of "dreamers" as though that's what anchor bebes were always called.
1710940;1504670603;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/former-nobel-peace-prize-winner-graduates-to-genocide-in-move-from-dissident-to-head-of-state/ << Qntra - Former Nobel Peace Prize Winner Graduates To Genocide In Move From Dissident To Head Of State
1710941;1504670676;BingoBoingo;^ Vote Moar Pantsuit
1710942;1504670833;BingoBoingo;http://i.magaimg.net/img/1bug.png
1710943;1504671277;BingoBoingo;Market research https://archive.is/GXqBo
1710944;1504671426;*;BingoBoingo had a pretty awesome dream last sleep period. Was chilling with the Trumpreich at the Trumpstag and saw unveiling of TrumpKorea response in the form of resuming US atmospheric nuclear tests, but in KKKalifornia this time.
1710945;1504673077;BingoBoingo;Another gem found in the wild: "I literally had my high school sociology teacher argue that "if the illegals aren't here, who will pick our crops?" He was black, too. It baffles me that he, of all people, couldn't see the argument he made was literally the same argument the Democrats used to enslave his ancestors."
1710946;1504673099;mircea_popescu;maybe he sees it all too well.
1710947;1504673107;mircea_popescu;"if the illegals weren't here, guess who'd be picking the crops."
1710948;1504673162;BingoBoingo;LOL
1710949;1504673177;BingoBoingo;Hence the gem'ness
1710950;1504673193;BingoBoingo;Can't spell jool without joo
1710951;1504673193;mircea_popescu;:)
1710952;1504673421;BingoBoingo;And for further posterior-titty https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6ybv1o/virtue_signaling_fail/
1710953;1504673906;BingoBoingo;Apropos https://voat.co/v/whatever/2109871
1710954;1504678524;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1700838 << And now its evacuating
1710955;1504678524;a111;Logged on 2017-08-19 16:18 mircea_popescu: it's incredible, that place, the official capitol of the spanish main, every monkey from argentina to panama worships miami.
1710956;1504678769;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1710957;1504678776;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4359.99, vol: 17372.81551075 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4372.8, vol: 47647.32951314 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4259.05947, vol: 23566.80640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4474.3, vol: 6081.54760849 | Volume-weighted last average: 4348.6550124
1710958;1504678972;mircea_popescu;maybe they evacuate to buenos aires.
1710959;1504690060;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710904 <-- ha, Freescale soc. I'm really curious if you manage(d) to disable that. older Freescales usually have that part documented, but some (esp. Qualcomm) are just proprietary
1710960;1504690060;a111;Logged on 2017-09-05 23:33 asciilifeform got a chinese arm board going, 'mx28', after it was quite near the rubbish bin. tip for future folx trying to get one of these things up, but it resets itself every second or so : look for 'watchdog' in the schematic, and try to find and kill
1710961;1504690162;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-06#1710923 <-- nah. it's exactly that: members of the congregation don't have physical access to reset buttons in their prayer beads; so hardware vendor inserts an automated reset for when prayer bead crashes.
1710962;1504690162;a111;Logged on 2017-09-06 00:30 mircea_popescu: maybe it's some derpy "gps 1 meter resolution and not above 100m altitude" thing, you know ?
1710963;1504705124;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-06#1710959 << i thought it was obvious from thread -- board came without disable jumper for wd ; when puzzled out where to put it, it ran
1710964;1504705124;a111;Logged on 2017-09-06 09:27 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-05#1710904 <-- ha, Freescale soc. I'm really curious if you manage(d) to disable that. older Freescales usually have that part documented, but some (esp. Qualcomm) are just proprietary
1710965;1504705281;asciilifeform;crafted from the finest chinesium...
1710966;1504705998;spyked;oh I see
1710967;1504711986;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/i-fucking-love-science-or-why-global-warming-wouldnt-produce-superhurricanes/ << Trilema - I fucking love science, or why "global warming" wouldn't produce "superhurricanes"
1710968;1504712507;trinque;ha, very nice.
1710969;1504712620;trinque;also any extra water the thing's pulling up would slow it. more mass, more friction. harvey slurped up a big drink before hitting us, and lost what, 120mph of wind in the process.
1710970;1504713119;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-06#1710968 << you're an inspiration!
1710971;1504713119;a111;Logged on 2017-09-06 15:41 trinque: ha, very nice.
1710972;1504713456;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2017/donald-trump-speaks-before-the-american-judges-association/ << WIN
1710973;1504713491;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1710974;1504713525;mircea_popescu;i considered sending it as a qntra, but... in the end i judged trilema better positioned to absorb the fake newsness of it.
1710975;1504713629;BingoBoingo;Well, Trilema has to get in on The Great Again lulz from time to time as well
1710976;1504713718;mircea_popescu;werd.
1710977;1504713754;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/donald-trump-speaks-before-the-american-judges-association/ << Trilema - Donald Trump speaks before the American Judges Association
1710978;1504714052;BingoBoingo;This is clearly photoshooped https://i.redd.it/qtwk6vglkpjz.jpg
1710979;1504714243;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/ebb1c5e5ea7261cd3cfee1e416fdfa51/tumblr_numss3NZKl1ufcssdo1_500.gif << this isn't.
1710980;1504714299;BingoBoingo;AHA, those sperm have been saved from a social contract by those girlie's faces
1710981;1504714315;mircea_popescu;a kiss is a contract!
1710982;1504714327;asciilifeform;twist : d00d spoojes superglue
1710983;1504714343;mircea_popescu;this is true. metaphorically true, but true nevertheless.
1710984;1504714351;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> a kiss is a contract! << The sacred ones are just there witnessing
1710985;1504714352;mircea_popescu;girls whose kiss was spermctified rarely split up irl.
1710986;1504714442;mircea_popescu;anyway, re s.nsa report : working on it, will be published today im pretty sure. sorry for teh delays.
1710987;1504715106;shinohai;I'm wondering if I should go back to bed: "Woman On Tinder Date Gets Stuck In Window Trying To Retrieve Her Own Poop"
1710988;1504715390;BingoBoingo;OMG it's there: "“ ‘I went for a poo in your toilet,’ she told me,” Smyth wrote on his GoFundMe campaign site. But when the toilet wouldn’t flush, she lost her head a little: “I reached into the toilet bowl, wrapped it in tissue paper, and threw it out of the window.”
1710989;1504715390;BingoBoingo;Unfortunately, her poop didn’t make it out the window at all. Due to a design quirk, the bundle instead fell inside the wide gap between the window’s two panes.
1710990;1504715390;BingoBoingo;With the night already ruined, the pair went into the bathroom to try to solve the crappy problem. The windows open from the top, so Smyth’s date — an amateur gymnast — got a boost from Smyth, then went upside down into the gap from above, grasping for her turd."
1710991;1504715598;mircea_popescu;totally not "creative" writing trying for attention ploy, or else it wouldn't be on his fucking busking myspace.
1710992;1504715664;asciilifeform;'where i should put this!?' (tm)(r)('borat')
1710993;1504716226;shinohai;Because if your date tosses her poo and winds up breaking your window, should totally fund that.
1710994;1504716232;shinohai;Who needs insurance?
1710995;1504716435;BingoBoingo;Who needs windows if this is the shit you blog
1710996;1504716446;shinohai;^
1710997;1504716539;*;shinohai imagines some random girl pulling this on mircea_popescu .... would likely wind up in the trash ala my favourite Trilema header
1710998;1504719406;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/KI2gM << in other costly rubbish
1710999;1504719892;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1711000;1504719921;shinohai;Teh old `Pharma Bro` CD ... old nyooz
1711001;1504719956;shinohai;Paging thestringpuller ... o wait
1711002;1504719959;ben_vulpes;shinohai: his selling of it was in the logs already?
1711003;1504719989;shinohai;Not sure
1711004;1504720025;ben_vulpes;can't be nyooz, much less old unless it's in the logs
1711005;1504720083;ben_vulpes;great again coming to an etf near you: http://thereformedbroker.com/2017/09/01/maga-muppet-bait/
1711006;1504720084;shinohai;Then we'd have to litter the logz with every Johnny-Come-Lately POS
1711007;1504720127;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in moar interesting ( qntrable? BingoBoingo ? ) noose, https://archive.is/ZaKft << >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4MhHz/?raw=true >> 'great wall of eurostan'
1711008;1504720137;ben_vulpes;the sales text on shkreli's ebay listing is pretty hilarious, elevates past 'every jcl'
1711009;1504720327;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform
1711010;1504728795;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-06#1711007 << just random run-of-the-mill "we aspire to relevancy" euro bureaucracy nonsense, what's remarkable ?
1711011;1504728795;a111;Logged on 2017-09-06 17:48 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in moar interesting ( qntrable? BingoBoingo ? ) noose, https://archive.is/ZaKft << >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4MhHz/?raw=true >> 'great wall of eurostan'
1711012;1504729034;asciilifeform;imho the remarkable bit is that there ~isnt~ yet a 'great firewall of' eu (usa, etc)
1711013;1504729086;mircea_popescu;!#s ".al"
1711014;1504729086;a111;337 results for "\".al\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22.al%22
1711015;1504729090;mircea_popescu;ofcourse there is.
1711016;1504729096;asciilifeform;eh dns snoar
1711017;1504729116;mircea_popescu;how about all teh times euroz came here reporting "Can't load x site" or "x video" or so on ?
1711018;1504729123;mircea_popescu;how about teh "blurred out" swastika ?
1711019;1504729130;asciilifeform;iirc that was from shittube et al cooperating
1711020;1504729133;shinohai;sig heil
1711021;1504729145;asciilifeform;and refusing to serve 'unamerican' ips
1711022;1504729173;mircea_popescu;the argument wasn't "a firewall implemented so and so for purposes this and that". it was "a firewall".
1711023;1504729178;mircea_popescu;so much is satisfied.
1711024;1504729197;mircea_popescu;that they suck at it is not a mediating circumstance.
1711025;1504729246;asciilifeform;actual looks like http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 .
1711026;1504729607;mircea_popescu;"the 5yo boy isn't a criminal because while he lay in wait in the little girl's closet for her to fall asleep and then tried to force a plastic knife in her eye, he didn't have enough force to actually reach the brain. he did leave behind a work on "most efficient ways to kill people" open at the stab-to-eye page in the library, but nevertheless!"
1711027;1504729622;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> imho the remarkable bit is that there ~isnt~ yet a 'great firewall of' eu (usa, etc) << Eh, not enough for me to feel like newsing on it's own. May support a later newsing
1711028;1504729702;mircea_popescu;"there isn't an euro firewall" is very much a constructive "there isn't a great bureaucratic conspiracy to kill every man". sure, there "isn't" in the sense it's not working, but strictly due to them being inept. if they could they would and if they could do it any better they'd do it.
1711029;1504730622;asciilifeform;q would be -- wai so inept, wai plasticknife.
1711030;1504730794;trinque;because the govt HR department is in the midst of the realitywinner distortion field
1711031;1504730946;ben_vulpes;pantsuit deedbot for the mentally incontinent: https://verrit.com/
1711032;1504730993;asciilifeform;i see a reddit
1711033;1504731001;asciilifeform;what's deedbotesque re subj , ben_vulpes ?
1711034;1504731019;asciilifeform;'The Republican Party Is Harmful to America’s Children' 'Hillary Democrats Are the Heart and Conscience of America' lol
1711035;1504731026;ben_vulpes;each nugget comes with a verification code! to verritify that the pantsuits did in fact say the thing!
1711036;1504731038;asciilifeform;'U.S. Has an Anti-Science Administration When Science Is Needed Most' 'Michelle Obama on the Importance of Valuing Women' didjaknow
1711037;1504731065;asciilifeform;'Study: Mainstream Media Acted as Trump’s Mouthpiece, Clinton’s Foe' didjaalsoknow
1711038;1504731096;trinque;!!v 0443121
1711039;1504731105;asciilifeform;lol
1711040;1504731109;ben_vulpes;tiniest, limpest, shittiest hash
1711041;1504731374;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is like asking "why does this down syndrome case grow so stunted". ever heard of genetics ?
1711042;1504731382;mircea_popescu;bureaucracy === mongoloidism.\
1711043;1504731425;mircea_popescu;wtf, what's michelle obama qualified to say ? she exists as "that guy's wife", homemaker ne ultra better homes and gardens!
1711044;1504732139;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in democratic infrastructure projects and new wave bridge building, http://68.media.tumblr.com/fb936fc1302bfb690a4ffe1676c4c36a/tumblr_nnvh09rcoh1t1stpxo1_1280.jpg
1711045;1504732173;mircea_popescu;you can tell it's for the future by the vehemently futuristic silver shiny.
1711046;1504732815;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : i was having breakfast outside, and it's raining here like erry other day, utter tempest. the lighning was so strong and so close this time i'm pretty sure i tanned from it.
1711047;1504733142;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-06#1710920 << i gotta print a correction : thing has no fewer than SIX uarts.
1711048;1504733142;a111;Logged on 2017-09-06 00:13 asciilifeform: these are 10bux/ea. 64Mram/128Mflash/5 UARTs/lotsa GPIO/2xUSB2/100MBnic boardz
1711049;1504733154;asciilifeform;which -- sadly enough -- is 6 moar than most pc.
1711050;1504735428;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-august-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), August 2017 Statement
1711051;1504735563;BingoBoingo;OMG NEWS!!!
1711052;1504737091;mats;more incoming than outgoing!
1711053;1504737330;mircea_popescu;iiincredibru
1711054;1504737442;mircea_popescu;in similar news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f635ea4038e135c76a388bcb5c0236aa/tumblr_ntp6w5fJ6u1rr3sjgo2_400.gif
1711055;1504737519;trinque;congrats mircea_popescu and asciilifeform, wish ya many more profitable months.
1711056;1504737632;mircea_popescu;thankee
1711057;1504737966;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/no-such-labs-posts-positive-cashflow-on-continued-fuckgoats-sales/ << Qntra - No Such lAbs Posts Positive Cashflow On Continued FUCKGOATS Sales
1711058;1504737980;mircea_popescu;ha! ty BingoBoingo
1711059;1504737990;BingoBoingo;No, ty
1711060;1504738019;BingoBoingo;And congrats to you and alf for delivering actual Bitcoin news for one of the few times since fall 2014!
1711061;1504738022;mircea_popescu;"there seems to no actual movement by fiat concerns to compete with the ascendant" ?
1711062;1504738027;mircea_popescu;ikr!
1711063;1504738095;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> "there seems to no actual movement by fiat concerns to compete with the ascendant" ? << was written and reads as "there seems to no actual movement by fiat concerns to compete with the ascendant No Such lAbs at this time."
1711064;1504738110;mircea_popescu;a
1711065;1504738122;BingoBoingo;Perhaps loaded incompletely due to internet storms?
1711066;1504738331;mircea_popescu;"Due to what are surely structural matters, there seems to no actual movement by fiat concerns to compete with the ascendant No Such lAbs at this time."
1711067;1504738337;mircea_popescu;this is still ungrammatical.
1711068;1504738353;mircea_popescu;due to (), there seems to no actual movement () to compete with ().
1711069;1504738753;BingoBoingo;chopped
1711070;1504738775;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo re http://qntra.net/#fn2-7835 : this is both correct and well grounded. pantsuit exists by and for a certain section of us corporatelandia ; which entirely exists of and for "job creation" as the racket through which to launder "public funds" ie fake money printed by fed on the basis of chinese indiscriminate crediting of the us foreign account.
1711071;1504738789;mircea_popescu;that whole pyramid strictly depends on "illegals".
1711072;1504738829;mircea_popescu;it's very vulnerable to border strangulation in a way the republican corporatelandia is not (their scam is "high tech" instead of "job creation")
1711073;1504738898;BingoBoingo;AHA
1711074;1504738950;mircea_popescu;just goes to show the libertards are actual retards. who the fucking hell picks "headcount" over "metaphysics" as a tool to bezzle, if given the choice. and they did have the choice.
1711075;1504738970;mircea_popescu;chose the wrong thing because "it's what mother cunt would have wanted". except what mother cunt would have wanted is ~always the wrong fucking thing.
1711076;1504739031;BingoBoingo;Well, it goes with "BE NICE! NO PUNCHING!"
1711077;1504739044;mircea_popescu;so would have the "imaginary planes".
1711078;1504739235;BingoBoingo;Nah, because not everyone can have an imaginary plane
1711079;1504739248;mircea_popescu;so ?
1711080;1504739254;BingoBoingo;That's "mean"
1711081;1504739268;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj!
1711082;1504739288;mircea_popescu;yes, it's "mean", but at least it doesn;'t leave your ass flying as a kite the moment the "everyone wants to be a roman citizen" dries off.
1711083;1504739289;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-06#1711055 << ty trinque BingoBoingo et al
1711084;1504739289;a111;Logged on 2017-09-06 22:38 trinque: congrats mircea_popescu and asciilifeform, wish ya many more profitable months.
1711085;1504739336;mircea_popescu;but yes, they never fucking imagined THAT is going away. us never managed to write a novel, nevertheless new york hacks off tin alley readily imagined themselves some kind of cultural power.
1711086;1504739365;mircea_popescu;because whatever the fuck, algonquin round table and saving their stale "jokes" for weeks.
1711087;1504739369;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1711088;1504739427;mircea_popescu;here's an inconvenient fact : more white trash us citizen females under 20 ran off to mexico to be TV stars on televisa than brown trash mexican citizen females under 20 ran off to california to be TV stars on.
1711089;1504739459;mircea_popescu;wait, which is the us tv station again ? disney is not for people, nature is not for people... news stations are for ohio blondes... which is the us tv again ?
1711090;1504739775;mircea_popescu;(speaking of subtle differences : wikipedia has a mention of televisa's income (700mn profit over 5.3 billion gross, 2012 figures) but not of nbc's. this is of course not a meaningful omission, IF you're the sort of mentally dull retard that actually takes wikipedia seriously. the word fucking "income" is not on the nbc page.
1711091;1504739786;mircea_popescu;but anyway, comcast made 8bn on about 80bn in 2016.
1711092;1504740290;mircea_popescu;(which fraction of this via http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703771 they're not required to declare, as per "fair and balanced" pseudo"legislation" enacted by self-same pantsuit. but it'd be a fair guess half to two thirds of comcast income is entirely fake, govt gifting, putting them at a hefty 20 to 30bn loss a year from continued operations)
1711093;1504740290;a111;Logged on 2017-08-27 22:38 mircea_popescu: teh very respectable southern poverty law center. and i bet you bitcoin to donuts they didn't actually pay jack for it, either.
1711094;1504743534;mod6;<+trinque> congrats mircea_popescu and asciilifeform, wish ya many more profitable months. << here, here!
1711095;1504743633;mod6;*hear too. herp
1711096;1504745134;mod6;how's it goin tonight?
1711097;1504752055;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1711098;1504752068;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4527.46, vol: 16047.56473038 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4503.2, vol: 37967.82807393 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4396.84, vol: 17071.12220000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4560.0, vol: 4939.31509487 | Volume-weighted last average: 4488.12857575
1711099;1504752144;BingoBoingo;In other lol, people we've read talking about people we've read and sorted before (Lafond on Scott Locklin) http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8856
1711100;1504753638;asciilifeform;https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2017/09/02/ai-and-the-human-informational-centipede/#comment-15530 << not wholly retarded comment from linked subj
1711101;1504753657;asciilifeform;'There is no will to work on hard problems, which is why technological progress is slowing down and immense resources are wasted on succulent turds like modern “artificial intelligence.” Take non-equilibrium statistical physics, my thesis topic of choice. Working on it is probably an academic death sentence because it is not sexy and because it is very challenging to produce sexually arousing bullshit inspired by it. However it i
1711102;1504753657;asciilifeform;s clearly an area of tremendous importance. In fact, I had to switch to an engineering department to work on it, because physics departments are broke and enamoured with ex-string theorist well-fare projects like topological insulators....'
1711103;1504759564;deedbot;deeds online
1711104;1504759972;trinque;^ did a bit of maintenance; node back online
1711105;1504760021;*;trinque offline
1711106;1504760446;mod6;thanks for the update
1711107;1504763736;ben_vulpes;i'll believe it when i see it: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-blockchain-insurance-marine/ey-teams-up-with-maersk-microsoft-on-blockchain-based-marine-insurance-idUSKCN1BG3B6
1711108;1504763819;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-2#197795 << moving, building new command post over the next two weeks; should return to 'contributing member of society' status within the month
1711109;1504763819;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-09-02 16:41 mircea_popescu: one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes  (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much ; and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good.
1711110;1504764425;mircea_popescu;no shit, rothbard was here ?
1711111;1504764502;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a correct, if not novel idea, near-equilibrium and far-equilibrium physics.
1711112;1504764575;mircea_popescu;anyway, physics is only broke in the us, and mostly because us is broke. euro physics is doing fine, spending about the entire us welfare budget on things like large lasers, ciclotrons and the like.
1711113;1504764589;mircea_popescu;and let's not talk of small yellow men from far away.
1711114;1504764788;ben_vulpes;feats of aviation: https://twitter.com/NOAA_HurrHunter/status/905184657431506945
1711115;1504765039;mircea_popescu;so is that vomit mccain dead yet ? or still clinging to a world that really has no place for him ?
1711116;1504765070;BingoBoingo;Not yet
1711117;1504765099;mircea_popescu;inept dork, can't even die at a normal pace. everything with him was slow.
1711118;1504765195;BingoBoingo;Well, no different on that front than Sumner Redstone et al
1711119;1504765228;mircea_popescu;one of the foremost things 2017 us has to be ashamed of, alongside pantsuited hilarity and friends.
1711120;1504765275;trinque;he'll hang on long enough to fuck up the great again's reduction of the passthrough rate to 15%
1711121;1504765284;trinque;can't have anything smaller than walmart employing people
1711122;1504765301;ben_vulpes;oh ffs trinque that's hate speech
1711123;1504765309;mircea_popescu;they should name a vomitorium after him.
1711124;1504765318;mircea_popescu;and speaking of "holy shit can you imagine how that smells", http://68.media.tumblr.com/ef8d57472ee7fe4e7d2c75827aef5324/tumblr_nvtsc6G38p1u2v3gso1_400.gif
1711125;1504765474;trinque;squeeeeak
1711126;1504765496;trinque;hey john mccain! high five!
1711127;1504765499;*;trinque to bed
1711128;1504765537;mircea_popescu;on da flip side!
1711129;1504766203;mircea_popescu;http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode << in otheer lulz, freenode lost 20% of its channels late june 2017. THAT is however not something they feel the need to discuss at all, much like the report that they were going to publish coupla years ago about the nsa infiltrated servers they turned up.
1711130;1504766218;mircea_popescu;good thing they keep whining about all the inept consensus events tho, THAT is important.
1711131;1504767572;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1711132;1504767580;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4512.49, vol: 15232.40048958 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4513.0, vol: 34325.56125057 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4409.2146, vol: 15366.40700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4594.5, vol: 4515.8226671 | Volume-weighted last average: 4495.22156868
1711133;1504767604;BingoBoingo;It's amazing how much more stable this volatility keeps getting
1711134;1504767676;mircea_popescu;wait, i thought it was dropping. what'd i miss.
1711135;1504767771;BingoBoingo;Dropping and rebounding, and what was the high price in 2012?
1711136;1504767809;mircea_popescu;1cent!
1711137;1504767962;BingoBoingo;Nah that was the median 2010 price or something.
1711138;1504768677;mircea_popescu;check out alf made a little nsa banner thing! http://www.loper-os.org/snsa_small.jpg
1711139;1504768803;BingoBoingo;lol, I have a physical one of those!
1711140;1504768852;mircea_popescu;hehe
1711141;1504794527;mod6;mornin
1711142;1504795803;mircea_popescu;say phf ! since you're in moscow, what's the bdsm scene like ? do they have a club ? mind doing a field report ?
1711143;1504799115;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711112 << eu is ever busy stringtheorizing and expensively cyclotroning, meanwhile avoiding any risk of actual relevance, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658483 .
1711144;1504799115;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 06:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, physics is only broke in the us, and mostly because us is broke. euro physics is doing fine, spending about the entire us welfare budget on things like large lasers, ciclotrons and the like.
1711145;1504799115;a111;Logged on 2017-05-18 18:46 asciilifeform: whereas ACTUALLY promising, and wholly noncrackpotterious direction of particle physics -- induced beta decay -- is funded to the princely sum of..
1711146;1504799147;mircea_popescu;i'm entirely unsure why these two items (string theory ; high energy particles) are so strictly welded together in your head.
1711147;1504799153;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501208 << bigmachinephysicsisascam thread , because asciilifeform is lazy
1711148;1504799153;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:22 asciilifeform: 'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it.  It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.'
1711149;1504799178;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, if i were allocating fundamental research funds, i'd spend most of it on high energy particle research.
1711150;1504799182;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'particle zoo' curation is what the post-war twits with 0 imagination have busied themselves with.
1711151;1504799194;asciilifeform;there's research, and there's stamp collecting.
1711152;1504799210;mircea_popescu;high energy is definitionally research.
1711153;1504799233;asciilifeform;the sad thing is that money pretty much begs itself to be spent on fancy machines. because neither mircea_popescu nor i nor anybody else could transform arbitrarily large bag of money, into another schrodinger.
1711154;1504799262;mircea_popescu;understand something : the criterion for FUNDAMENTAL research is not "whether it's promising", in any sense or packaging. that is the criterion for INDUSTRIAL research, and let industry fucking do it.
1711155;1504799281;mircea_popescu;the criterion for fundamental research is "was it ever done before", and high energy particles meet it out of the gate. ~nothing else does.
1711156;1504799288;asciilifeform;and fwiw the 1 serious open question i know of , that could be answered with costly machine -- is the al schwartz eotvos test. pretty low energy, at that.
1711157;1504799299;mircea_popescu;so let apple do that.
1711158;1504799306;asciilifeform;lol
1711159;1504799333;mircea_popescu;they'rte the ones whining for relevancy. why the fuck did zuckershithead spend 100bn on "instagram" or w/e random spamsite with "here's a number we printed on a webpage and we labeled it USERS!!!" instead ?
1711160;1504799345;mircea_popescu;shoulda done the test, actually mattered irl.
1711161;1504799363;asciilifeform;these folx specifically dun want their 'relevance' anchored on anything physical, tho
1711162;1504799368;mircea_popescu;a well.
1711163;1504799375;asciilifeform;because physical means 'not fully on their own terms' or how did it go
1711164;1504799387;asciilifeform;there was a tlp piece iirc re subj.
1711165;1504799388;mircea_popescu;this still doesn't change the categories. it is not the business of government to pick up the slack of facebook being intellectually bankrupt.
1711166;1504799429;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-22#764444 << see also ye old mrmold's take on subj
1711167;1504799429;a111;Logged on 2014-07-22 22:40 asciilifeform: carnegie mellon << 'Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfecti
1711168;1504799462;mircea_popescu;except for the part where "republic can never exist, socialism and government===society is all there is".
1711169;1504799558;asciilifeform;d00d very clearly nostalgiated for a pre-lincoln usa , but had very fragmentary picture of it
1711170;1504799590;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1711171;1504799622;mircea_popescu;or else, guy very well preyed on the substantial, idiotic naivite of esl tards who had such nostalgy, and also very gullible.
1711172;1504799648;mircea_popescu;useful to implant "republic can never exist, socialism and government===society is all there is" in their stupid fucking heads, then they'll look at trilema and "form their own opinions" on the side.
1711173;1504799708;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i think i said it before. and if i didn't, here it is again : curtis yarvin may be stupid, or else he may be evil, but in either case he's done more to ruin his country than quisling did to ruin his.
1711174;1504799728;mircea_popescu;let god judge his internal state, i care little past the deeds.
1711175;1504800492;asciilifeform;gullible << noshit.jpg
1711176;1504800512;asciilifeform;upstack re physicists : i could've sworn we had the unifications thread
1711177;1504800534;asciilifeform;i find it strange that mircea_popescu forgives the pseudophysicists the same sins that he correctly unforgives the pseudocryptographers
1711178;1504800591;mircea_popescu;the former is physics, the latter is math. the building of items THAT NEVER BEFORE EXISTED is a defensible activity to a degree most others (spawning, doing art, including shakespeare, etcetera) are not.
1711179;1504800609;asciilifeform;namely, 1) their artfully dodging the front lines , of the actually relevant problems known in their time 2) piling up megatonne upon megatonne of mathemasturbatory jizzrag , instead of doing their duty in going for maxwellian parsimony until last drop of blood
1711180;1504800611;mircea_popescu;you understand, it's not that "this is a new model of spoon, we had spoons before but this is just a different take".
1711181;1504800625;mircea_popescu;these are, literally, items that never before existed in the strictest categorical sense.
1711182;1504800651;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's, again, no obligation to meaning for fundamental research. that is still industrial research you're thinking of.
1711183;1504800671;asciilifeform;theoretically every turd that comes out of a pig is also 'new object, never before existed'
1711184;1504800676;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1711185;1504800702;mircea_popescu;turd, like all others. whereas the first petawatt laser IS, as a factual matter, the first such laser ever built. for all we know -- every built anywhere in the universe.
1711186;1504800710;mircea_popescu;it increases by one the length of the list of items god must maintain.
1711187;1504800729;mircea_popescu;there can be no further accomplishment than this, in the sense of fundamental research.
1711188;1504800765;asciilifeform;megalaser, without the parsimonizing of the output into physical law, is a pyramid.
1711189;1504800836;mircea_popescu;why do you think that description you're trying to add to it can possibly be made to stick ?
1711190;1504800845;mircea_popescu;you've not spittle sufficiently sticky for it.
1711191;1504800877;mircea_popescu;in any case -- it is not the job of columb to make sense of the new world.
1711192;1504801571;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL
1711193;1504801572;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
1711194;1504801584;PeterL;hi all
1711195;1504801602;PeterL;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CPPkN/?raw=true << ada keccak, criticism welcome
1711196;1504801612;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1711197;1504801676;asciilifeform;neato PeterL
1711198;1504801677;shinohai;Nifty PeterL
1711199;1504801700;*;asciilifeform will read
1711200;1504801781;PeterL;keep in mind I am just learning ada as I do this, I feel like there might be a more efficient way to do some of the things (like the type conversions)
1711201;1504801783;asciilifeform;PeterL: 1 nitpick so far : you can't presume the bitness of 'Natural'
1711202;1504801798;PeterL;why not?
1711203;1504801805;asciilifeform;PeterL: if you have constants with explicit bitness, you gotta use, e.g., Unsigned_64
1711204;1504801813;asciilifeform;or at least mod 2**64
1711205;1504801838;PeterL;wait, bitness for which type?
1711206;1504801848;asciilifeform;type Round_Constants is array(Natural range 1 .. 24) of Lane;
1711207;1504801874;PeterL;Lane is a mod 2**64 type
1711208;1504801888;asciilifeform;oh hm nm then
1711209;1504801898;asciilifeform;i'ma read whole thing before emitting any moar nonsense
1711210;1504801917;PeterL;ok, I will look forward to your comments!
1711211;1504801935;asciilifeform;PeterL: out of curiosity, how didja test this item ?
1711212;1504801952;trinque;hey PeterL, mind getting a blog together and putting this on it?
1711213;1504801963;trinque;it'll end up lost to the sands of wotpaste
1711214;1504801969;PeterL;well, my next step was going to be actual testing, right now I just got it to not have any compile errors! :)
1711215;1504802000;PeterL;just thought you might be interested in seeing the progress
1711216;1504802044;mircea_popescu;i second the blog idea. PeterL you have a healthy output phi, you should not leave it at the mercy of archive-bot-saved-a-paste.
1711217;1504802071;PeterL;ok, I'll look into getting something set up
1711218;1504802072;shinohai;If you need copy of mp-wp PeterL I can accomodate
1711219;1504802074;mircea_popescu;modesty is good and well, as an solipsitic limit for the self. it can not stand against others' telling you to make it.
1711220;1504802316;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711138 << a yea i put up flag on my human www. it bringeth traffic, believe or not ( to what end -- is other q entirely )
1711221;1504802316;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 07:17 mircea_popescu: check out alf made a little nsa banner thing! http://www.loper-os.org/snsa_small.jpg
1711222;1504802354;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1711223;1504802403;asciilifeform;( if somebody wants to link , and use the flag -- go ahead. though we dun have a spamatronic money-sharing scheme of any sort . )
1711224;1504802479;shinohai;Defeat the NSA with this ONE COOL TRICK <<< click here
1711225;1504802483;asciilifeform;lol
1711226;1504802506;asciilifeform;'10 things obummer dun want you to know'
1711227;1504804738;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/children-love-to-watch-their-parents-get-into-serious-arguments-because-theyll-hear-for-the-first-time-of-things-they-never-could-have-guessed-ever-existed/ << Trilema - Children love to watch their parents get into serious arguments because they'll hear for the first time of things they never could have guessed ever existed
1711228;1504805473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tense -> terse ??
1711229;1504805495;mircea_popescu;no, tense.
1711230;1504805521;mircea_popescu;textual tension is a measure of relation complexity per unit space.
1711231;1504805541;asciilifeform;lolbondstrain
1711232;1504805547;mircea_popescu;right
1711233;1504805586;mircea_popescu;very direct measure of the power of a language -- weak languages only have van der waals links and thereby can't support complexity such as life
1711234;1504805591;mircea_popescu;you need stronger interactions for that.
1711235;1504805610;mircea_popescu;which is why english is ~soup. unless fortified with a lot of latin / middle french, shakespeare style.
1711236;1504805639;*;asciilifeform pictures a future tmsr switch to something resembling medieval latin
1711237;1504805687;asciilifeform;commercial pidgins based on language of long-forgotten island only goes so far...
1711238;1504805774;mircea_popescu;a fine example in that very same paragraph : "I don't expect I've done" is very much different from the "plain english" "equivalent" "I don't think I've done" : as there is no relation between expectation and reality, saying "i don't expect i've done" is a perfectly fine sendoff on a masterpiece. not same in the case of the latter
1711239;1504805788;mircea_popescu;which brings back the sad fact of the matter : there's no such thing as a weak language ; only imbecile speakers
1711240;1504805801;mircea_popescu;(who are borne out of the interaction between their stupid mothers and a weak language)
1711241;1504805820;asciilifeform;who then proceed to make yet-weaker lang etc
1711242;1504806037;mircea_popescu;meanwhile textual tension is very much related to anti-synonymy (via http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 ) and to translation-difficulty as a scalar, via the mediation of something akin to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697164 : "the cardinality of the set of objects that fit the bill divided by the cardinality of the set of objects  summoned".
1711243;1504806037;a111;Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
1711244;1504806037;a111;Logged on 2017-08-11 18:37 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
1711245;1504806053;asciilifeform;orthogonality
1711246;1504806056;mircea_popescu;very much throwback to the problem of "man is that animal with flat nails" / "here's a chicken" issue
1711247;1504806093;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not really, because there's no such thing as orthogonality in natural language. that's a property of a correctly constructed theorem ("let it have no overlapping lemmas") and therefore relevant in computing.
1711248;1504806114;asciilifeform;just because not constructed intentionally, dun mean it aint there
1711249;1504806132;asciilifeform;!#s so that the room will be empty
1711250;1504806132;a111;1 result for "so that the room will be empty", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=so%20that%20the%20room%20will%20be%20empty
1711251;1504806136;mircea_popescu;language as used by humans is actually predicated on the impossibility of orthogonality.
1711252;1504806147;asciilifeform;expand?
1711253;1504806151;mircea_popescu;eh wtf, we don't have the koans in the logs now ?!
1711254;1504806174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform give me an example of two items of language that are orthogonal.
1711255;1504806198;asciilifeform;'up' 'down' 'left' 'right' 'yes' 'no' ??
1711256;1504806211;mircea_popescu;absolutely not. they're eminently codependent.
1711257;1504806222;asciilifeform;well up is orthogonal to left!11!
1711258;1504806226;mircea_popescu;it is not.
1711259;1504806236;mircea_popescu;!#s progress
1711260;1504806237;a111;685 results for "progress", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=progress
1711261;1504806239;asciilifeform;if that ain't orthogonal i have nfi what and where is
1711262;1504806243;mircea_popescu;^ up-and-left = progress.
1711263;1504806268;asciilifeform;is bottom-and-right = purple ?
1711264;1504806279;mircea_popescu;this is unclear.
1711265;1504806310;mircea_popescu;but i think the point transpires, if metaphorically : the fundamental reason language even exists in any usable, useful form is the rejection of orthogonality as a possibility.
1711266;1504806340;asciilifeform;i dun get at all how. but possibly requires moar lsd.
1711267;1504806360;mircea_popescu;how what you mean ?
1711268;1504806383;asciilifeform;where does 'rejection of orthogonality as a possibility' come out of
1711269;1504806392;asciilifeform;why needed for 'language in any usable form'
1711270;1504806405;mircea_popescu;note that i'm not saying ~your notion~ of up and left can't be orthogonal. of course they can be, in fact they'd better be. but the WORDS thatr denote them, can't be, at least not while staying words.
1711271;1504806406;asciilifeform;let's suppose the contrary. then wat.
1711272;1504806421;mircea_popescu;then we find it impossible to talk to strangers as the first symptom.
1711273;1504806439;mircea_popescu;also, we're stuck getting lucky with women, because we can't meaningfully talk to them BEFORE we actually can talk to them.
1711274;1504806462;mircea_popescu;and in short -- fucking up this fundament of language convicts one to solipsistic solitude.
1711275;1504806470;asciilifeform;supposition was re language where all of the parts are orthogonal; rather than 'every man in own solipsist hell'
1711276;1504806516;mircea_popescu;a language where ALL parts are orthogonal is entirely the phone book, unable to mean anything. i thought the contention was language where SOME parts are orthogonal.
1711277;1504806545;mircea_popescu;the only case where this happens is when there's in fact two language. such as in polygotism, or else argot-mainstream disjunctions. THERE you can have orthogonality in language.
1711278;1504806551;asciilifeform;where maximum practical parts orthogonal.
1711279;1504806559;mircea_popescu;ie, the gifter's grift is != the da's grift.
1711280;1504806574;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, that is always the case, with that max = 0.
1711281;1504806617;mircea_popescu;but yes, this provides on the side an excellent explanation in this context's terminology of why man must learn languages : it is the ONLY way to have orthogonality in natural speech.
1711282;1504806655;mircea_popescu;and romanian has ESPECIALLY a problem with orthogonality (as a necessary drawback of its insane bond power), which is why and wherefore it ends up thinking all languages are just badly spelled romanian.
1711283;1504806679;asciilifeform;i thought they were mutilated latin lol
1711284;1504806757;trinque;tangentially, but I was taken aback by the beauty the moment I realized that the consonant sound in "ad" was closer to me than the one in "ab".
1711285;1504806763;mircea_popescu;i think latin-gone-wild may be more on the point. sort-of like that good jewess / future balabusta of http://trilema.com/2016/black-book/ trying to get as much nazi/anything cock as possible.
1711286;1504806779;trinque;a wandering barbarian happens upon a temple kind of moment
1711287;1504806790;mircea_popescu;trinque you are actually gaining here! congrats!
1711288;1504806795;mircea_popescu;your studies are actually delivering.
1711289;1504806800;asciilifeform;asciilifeform has been on a ro kick lately and continuously lols over germanicisms/slavicisms/etc
1711290;1504806804;trinque;slowly, keeping at it.
1711291;1504806830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oya. really, vulgar latin on a "butter me up and roll me in dicks like they're nonpareils" kick.
1711292;1504807508;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, a fine answer to "what the fuck was elliot's problem" could correctly be "he used orthogonal language".
1711293;1504807548;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't mean anything to elliot himself, or to the blonde girls that "didn't give him a chance", but it'd nevertheless be a perfectly correct description of the situation they found themselves in, unwillingly the lot.
1711294;1504807567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect that we dun have same def of the word
1711295;1504807575;mircea_popescu;let's have it ?
1711296;1504807585;asciilifeform;what asciilifeform refers to as 'nonorthogonal', is seen in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588406 thread
1711297;1504807585;a111;Logged on 2016-12-22 17:45 asciilifeform: phf: pray tell : what does having 'elt' AND 'nth' around, facilitate ?
1711298;1504807595;mircea_popescu;"two items are orthogonal if either can stand without the other".
1711299;1504807595;asciilifeform;( re mechanical langs, but same concept there )
1711300;1504807645;mircea_popescu;i much prefer this categorical expression of the notion to the copacetic "statistically independent variates" approach.
1711301;1504807912;mircea_popescu;now, forcing a point : if complex numbers are notated as a + bi, then it is a correct approach to describe a sum as x (= a + a') + y (=b + b') i rather than x' (= q + p i + r + t i) + y' (=q' + p' i + r' + t' i). the former notation would be a normatively correctly stated theorem (elements are orthogonal) whereas the latter would, while still equivalent, nevertheless be normatively incorrect (it mixes up the lemmas!).
1711302;1504807926;mircea_popescu;and same throughout all math : everything must be orthogonal, at all times, all the time.
1711303;1504808027;mircea_popescu;you could make soup out of a bag in which there's peas mixed with carrots in some proportion, and another bag in which there's pasta and some chicken, and a third bag where there's more chicken and some celery. it'd still come out soup. nevertheless, the CORRECT way to make soup, arbitrarily, is by using a bag in which there's peas and nothing else ; and a different bag in which there's chicken and nothing else, and so follow
1711304;1504808027;mircea_popescu;ing.
1711305;1504808044;mircea_popescu;there's no good reason for this, other than our being white men, which is to say the source of intellectual anyhing in this world.
1711306;1504808063;asciilifeform;'at all times' never happens in practice ( consider how maxwell's equations went from 20+ to 4 )
1711307;1504808066;mircea_popescu;but -- language doesn't work this way. the reason the bags aka words are useful AT ALL is that there's a little of each and every other bag in each and every single bag.
1711308;1504808075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the ideal stays the ideal.
1711309;1504808080;asciilifeform;sure does
1711310;1504808103;mircea_popescu;the important point being -- that it's an ideal for math, and therefore programming, which includes cooking. NOT of language.
1711311;1504808363;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711284 << "abject" but "adjunct". it even keeps right on giving, see.
1711312;1504808363;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 17:52 trinque: tangentially, but I was taken aback by the beauty the moment I realized that the consonant sound in "ad" was closer to me than the one in "ab".
1711313;1504808511;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-28#1254224 << even older thread where asciilifeform gives example of what means by 'orthogonality' )
1711314;1504808511;a111;Logged on 2015-08-28 03:24 asciilifeform: trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality'
1711315;1504808563;mircea_popescu;in those terms : do you understand that the difference between computer language and human language is that the correctness of expression (shortest, complete form) can be proven in the former, and can never be considered in the latter ?
1711316;1504808580;mircea_popescu;all math things have a closed form, whether we know it or not.
1711317;1504808584;mircea_popescu;no language thing does, or could.
1711318;1504808753;mircea_popescu;(for the doubting student : prove that "for sale: baby shoes, never worn." is the shortest english novel.)
1711319;1504808812;asciilifeform;y'cant prove statements with unbounds
1711320;1504808873;mircea_popescu;orly. lol.
1711321;1504809004;mircea_popescu;(fwiw, my estimation of hemigway is more driven by the above snippet than by whatever nonsense half-ass anti-cunt tracts he penned. really, some woman fucked her husband's hunter trainer, o woes ? pish.)
1711322;1504809018;*;asciilifeform not a fan
1711323;1504809045;asciilifeform;afaik only perma-notable thing hemingway did, was to breed the polydactyl cat
1711324;1504809046;mircea_popescu;there's not so much to choose from in the colonies. if you throw him out what's left.
1711325;1504809054;asciilifeform;beast can turn door knobs.
1711326;1504809055;mod6;wat
1711327;1504809065;mircea_popescu;sup mod6
1711328;1504809072;mod6;hai
1711329;1504809088;mod6;great books from the man imho
1711330;1504809219;mircea_popescu;certainly not many english writers can hold a candle to him, that much is out of contention.
1711331;1504809248;*;mircea_popescu also appreciates the terseness as a stylistical choice. in english, it is at worst a forced mistake, by the medium, and in general a good idea.
1711332;1504809386;mircea_popescu;anyway, in this context galois theory is chiefly preoccupied with distinguishing math-language from math-proper.
1711333;1504809682;mircea_popescu;(quick likbez : evariste galois among a whole school of northern french/swiss 19th century mathematicians wished to know why there's 5th degree polynomials which don't admit closed form expression. this seemed, and still seems, intuitively impermissible in some sense. the proof of the abel-rufini theorem might be interesting here. nevertheless, other than the practical use of bridging field and group theory, allowing some inc
1711334;1504809682;mircea_popescu;onveniently-abstract items to be represented in more intuitively approachable forms, the principal point of modern galois theory is to prove that certain fields admit no closed-form solution, and in a very narrow sense are not properly speaking math. or rather -- that our current notations share aspects of roman numerals most visible in those particular points.)
1711335;1504811065;shinohai;Re: Hemingway .... "The Old Man and the Sea" and "For Whom the Bell Tolls" are two of my favourite books, coincidentally
1711336;1504811099;shinohai;(Old Man and Sea being, for all practical purposes, a "short story")
1711337;1504812076;mod6;Didja like "A Farewell to Arms" ?
1711338;1504813763;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1711339;1504813770;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4615.43, vol: 9500.40791875 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4612.0, vol: 24911.09931398 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4394.7, vol: 11206.42720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4669.9, vol: 3831.01657194 | Volume-weighted last average: 4567.89887495
1711340;1504818724;ben_vulpes;equifax hacked; w2's and more exfiltrated. pins were last 4 of ssn.
1711341;1504818758;mod6;lol
1711342;1504818787;BingoBoingo;lulzy
1711343;1504818814;ben_vulpes;but hey, everyone gets free credit monitoring for another year now?
1711344;1504818870;BingoBoingo;Now I guess this is Again
1711345;1504818902;ben_vulpes;some folks have got to be up to 10 years at this point
1711346;1504818963;asciilifeform;Run Moar Winblowz; Keep Moar Centralized Dossiers On Serfs
1711347;1504819006;asciilifeform;Grant Moar Konsoomer Credit To Anyone Who Knows PostageAddr and Slavenumber
1711348;1504819041;ben_vulpes;hey, adp's monthly numbers unquestionably higher quality than bls 'nfp'; gotta prop the analytics pipeline
1711349;1504819055;ben_vulpes;at least until 'the real numbers' start to suck
1711350;1504819061;asciilifeform;( does anybody else find it interesting that a mortgage in usa is issued with simple paper application, not involving, e.g., vials of dna sample given in front of seven witnesses etc )
1711351;1504819133;ben_vulpes;not in the slightest; it's just as stupid as the rest of the system. why expect brilliance in any one part?
1711352;1504819212;mats;https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web this is now live in chrome 61
1711353;1504819469;BingoBoingo;From deep in the lulzmines: "The Man-Not is a theoretical starting point that tries to capture the history of black males being killed, mutilated and raped beyond simply saying it is racism that causes this violence … History has shown black males are eroticized in an anti-black world. Their genitalia has been imagined to be at odds with the endogamy of the white races of America and Europe, so our attempts to study black males must ta
1711354;1504819469;BingoBoingo;ke into account this specific sexual targeting, be it phobic as in the case of the rapist or philic insofar as black males are imagined to be sexually insatiable. This is what black male studies scholars mean by anti-black or racist misandry, or the cumulative assertions of black male inferiority due to errant psychologies of lack, dispositions of deviance or hyperpersonality traits (e.g., hypersexuality, hypermasculinity, etc.), which r
1711355;1504819470;BingoBoingo;ationalize the criminalization, phobias and sanctioning of black male life."
1711356;1504819982;BingoBoingo;!!up fromloper
1711357;1504819983;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1711358;1504819988;ben_vulpes;i see you racist misandry and raise you a racist sandwich: "Applying critical analysis to food is essential to understanding and framing 'big picture' ideas about white supremacist capitalist heteropatriarchy."
1711359;1504820044;BingoBoingo;Quiero un empardedado enorme
1711360;1504820059;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Where did you find that?
1711361;1504820114;fromloper;Why hasn't this happened to bcrash yet? http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#selection-73.3-79.82
1711362;1504820119;ben_vulpes;https://affectconf.com/schedule/#juan
1711363;1504820179;ben_vulpes;featuring other gems eg 'Affect ("effect") ..."
1711364;1504820216;ben_vulpes;fromloper: did you read the http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-23#188431 thread?
1711365;1504820216;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-08-23 16:58 BingoBoingo: Even with BCH's "Emergency difficulty adjustment" (allegedly drops difficulty after X time without a block found)
1711366;1504820228;shinohai;fromloper: It has iirc .... but there was some sort of "Emergency Difficulty adjustment" they implemented.
1711367;1504820255;fromloper;ben_vulpes no, but I certainly will - thanks!
1711368;1504820261;BingoBoingo;fromloper: It is exactly experiencing the Altcoin woes
1711369;1504820286;fromloper;but in terms of a hashpower attack?
1711370;1504820308;BingoBoingo;Yes
1711371;1504820349;ben_vulpes;fromloper: it's allllll in the logs
1711372;1504820376;fromloper;ben_vulpes I remember having read em now - got it!
1711373;1504820407;fromloper;their difficulty adjustment algo just means the attack oscillates
1711374;1504820512;BingoBoingo;And it's very disruptive, and very cutting to those propping up the bcrash scam
1711375;1504820540;fromloper;looks like it's way past time to fire up one of these scam nodes and sell the stuff
1711376;1504821563;ben_vulpes;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/06/eu-court-rejects-refugee-quota-challenge-hungary-slovakia/ "Politics has raped European law and values"
1711377;1504821590;ben_vulpes;those bussed refugees are going to receive just the most cordial welcome in the ethnically homogeneous states that didn't want them in the first place, i bet
1711378;1504821716;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711352   <<< This is lulzy "What would this procedure be like without the WebUSB API? .... Scary OS prompts popup and warn you about installing drivers/applications from the Internet."
1711379;1504821716;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 21:20 mats: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web this is now live in chrome 61
1711380;1504821724;BingoBoingo;Here's a rather big lol from the wikipedos, on their page for Al Sharpton's social engineering firm: "In 2011, Walgreens announced they would be ending their relationship with Express Scripts, a prescription drug program serving mostly poor individuals that gave them discounted prescriptions.[9] This would have resulted in low-income individuals paying up to 30 percent more for their prescriptions. A coalition of minority groups, led by
1711381;1504821724;BingoBoingo;Reverend Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, sent letters urging Gregory Wasson, CEO of Walgreens, to reconsider. Groups sending letters were National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, the Congress of Racial Equality, Hispanic Leadership Fund, and others." https://archive.is/MrxS1
1711382;1504821759;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile from the wikipedos on what Express Scripts is: "Express Scripts Holding Company is an American Fortune 100 company. As of 2017, the company is the 22nd-largest in the United States as well as the largest pharmacy benefit management (PBM) organization in the United States.[1] Express Scripts had 2016 revenues of $100.752 billion.[1]" https://archive.is/LoSSk#selection-363.0-383.3
1711383;1504821799;BingoBoingo;Why not just call Sharpton's blackmail scam what it is?
1711384;1504822457;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/pantsuits-attempt-marginalizing-senate-candidate-kid-rock-in-home-town/ << Qntra - Pantsuit's Attempt Marginalizing Senate Candidate Kid Rock In Home Town
1711385;1504822671;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UPP3l/?raw=true
1711386;1504822671;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1711387;1504824186;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1711388;1504824360;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/us-serf-recorder-equifax-hacked/ << Qntra - US Serf Recorder Equifax Hacked
1711389;1504826939;mircea_popescu;awww!
1711390;1504827305;mod6;haha Serf Recorder
1711391;1504827957;mod6;how's it goin this evening?
1711392;1504828165;ben_vulpes;shinohai: http://qntra.net/2017/09/us-serf-recorder-equifax-hacked/#comment-109294
1711393;1504828195;shinohai;Oh shit ben_vulpes .... nice find
1711394;1504828218;mod6;lol indeed
1711395;1504829024;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy.
1711396;1504829037;mircea_popescu;o look, FIRST!
1711397;1504829187;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711354 << philic my left foot. sexual mutilation is nature's own acceptable-substitute-for-murder. females of most sexuate species engage indulge in response to presentation of subpar males.
1711398;1504829187;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 21:24 BingoBoingo: ke into account this specific sexual targeting, be it phobic as in the case of the rapist or philic insofar as black males are imagined to be sexually insatiable. This is what black male studies scholars mean by anti-black or racist misandry, or the cumulative assertions of black male inferiority due to errant psychologies of lack, dispositions of deviance or hyperpersonality traits (e.g., hypersexuality, hypermasculinity, etc.), which r
1711399;1504829204;mircea_popescu;black doods simply manage to count as subpar for a larger percent of females than whites.
1711400;1504829296;mircea_popescu;whether she conceptualizes this sexual mutilation as "i hate the man and so i bit off his penis" or "i rly LUV!!1 the man so much i... cut off his penis" is irrelevant. yes the latter is the sort of perversion (in proper terms, cognitive dissonance) "civilised" individuals tend to come up with to explain their own choices to themselves. nevertheless, a cut is a cut, it has no philic component.,
1711401;1504829338;shinohai;http://archive.is/6uXGv <<< "having sent nude pictures of herself to him which we can only assume were taken in landscape mode"
1711402;1504829340;shinohai;kek
1711403;1504829375;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1711404;1504829378;mircea_popescu; now that's a sick burn.
1711405;1504829827;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "Pantsuit's" -> "Pantsuits" in title of kid rock piece
1711406;1504829855;ben_vulpes;otherwise it reads that their attempt /is/ marginalizing kid rock which omfg fake news
1711407;1504830829;*;mircea_popescu is trying to remember who this kid rock is. 
1711408;1504830898;mod6;he's the red-neck rocker guy from detroit
1711409;1504830916;mircea_popescu;oh i see, that one!
1711410;1504830920;mod6;lol
1711411;1504830930;ben_vulpes;as distinct from the white trash rapper
1711412;1504830940;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in human centipede news : spreading -- works! http://68.media.tumblr.com/489ad94e650a752543ea08b1858ec640/tumblr_nse71gpgnN1ux7yk7o1_500.gif
1711413;1504830949;whaack;'murica pop star http://qntra.net/2017/07/us-entertainer-kid-rock-takes-aim-at-pantsuit-senators-job/
1711414;1504830969;mircea_popescu;oh i see
1711415;1504831017;mod6;gifs, i like
1711416;1504831038;ben_vulpes;fictional ethnic subgroup and fictional entertainment genres aside, indistinguishable
1711417;1504834315;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711352 << implemented over systemd's 'kernel dbus' nodoubt.
1711418;1504834315;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 21:20 mats: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/03/access-usb-devices-on-the-web this is now live in chrome 61
1711419;1504835000;trinque;http://archive.is/yMXe0 << while we're doing these, tls in the linux kernel why not
1711420;1504835010;asciilifeform;lol!
1711421;1504835805;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> otherwise it reads that their attempt /is/ marginalizing kid rock which omfg fake news << AHA, ty
1711422;1504835881;BingoBoingo;OMG that is an adorable trianglepede
1711423;1504836171;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> fictional ethnic subgroup and fictional entertainment genres aside, indistinguishable << Very distinguishable. Kid Rock is all in on The Great Again. Albino rapper with cretinism is wholly owned by pantsuit https://archive.is/NccET
1711424;1504836204;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedailybeast.com/eminems-anti-trump-freestyle-is-as-flaccid-as-trumps-campaign << if archive.is crashes
1711425;1504836341;BingoBoingo;lol, October 19th, 2016: "Do you remember the first time you thought Donald Trump’s presidential campaign had hit rock bottom? By now, we’ve learned that there’s no depth that Donald Trump and his team won’t sink to. And today, like most days, marks a new low. Because when Eminem thinks that your presidential campaign is in poor taste, you know that you’ve reached a historically unprecedented political nadir."
1711426;1504836401;mircea_popescu;hurr.
1711427;1504836437;mircea_popescu;really, fat chick with no marketable skills is gonna sit on a pile of empty takeout wrappers and "score" things ? because anybody totally gives a shit how $nobody evaluates $item, according to $nobody at least ?
1711428;1504836478;mircea_popescu;go right ahead and claim "historically unprecedented nadir" every time dude farts, what is it going to do ? he's still not grabbing your cunt, and that because HE DOESN"T WANT TO.
1711429;1504836662;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/610182B68C339222E12F58F880A4E9D126248872893144AF7A940D3829034C52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1721...2167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.65.196.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.65.196.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (80-65-196-165.ljusnet.se. SE)
1711430;1504836663;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/610182B68C339222E12F58F880A4E9D126248872893144AF7A940D3829034C52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...1983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.65.196.165 (ssh-rsa key from 80.65.196.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (80-65-196-165.ljusnet.se. SE)
1711431;1504836748;asciilifeform;http://80.65.196.165 alive btw
1711432;1504836775;asciilifeform;swedish Хрущёвка builder
1711433;1504836798;asciilifeform;( http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A5%D1%80%D1%83%D1%89%D1%91%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0 << likbez for the innocent )
1711434;1504836929;mircea_popescu;and in other university educations, http://68.media.tumblr.com/feeb27589f7f952744002f25deb38daa/tumblr_mucmrhdkfl1st9m0oo1_400.gif
1711435;1504837670;BingoBoingo;"I bet vampires don't get grounded. Vampires get to do what they want." - Butters Stotch
1711436;1504837698;mircea_popescu;may have to spell that vampyre for the magic to kick in though.
1711437;1504837820;BingoBoingo;seriousky
1711438;1504839034;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/bitcoin-network-mining-difficulty-up-3-9-to-new-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Difficulty Up ~3.9% To New All Time High
1711439;1504842141;ben_vulpes;lolk BingoBoingo retracted
1711440;1504842332;ben_vulpes;PeterL: cool stuff! refreshing my memory on keccak tonight
1711441;1504842376;asciilifeform;'how much wood would a keccak ccak ...'
1711442;1504845453;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: do you bind the reams of dead trees your laser printer coughs up? stick 'em in 3rings?
1711443;1504846202;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: perforator
1711444;1504846274;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: looks like e.g. http://www.abcoffice.com/images/versabind-binding-machine_large.jpg
1711445;1504846339;ben_vulpes;gotcha ty
1711446;1504846343;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: for times when you want easily removed pages -- 3ring.
1711447;1504846723;ben_vulpes;i recall this being a useful feature once upon a time
1711448;1504847661;trinque;http://archive.is/WQqgG << mexico's got bean-farts
1711449;1504847702;trinque;some gems in the comments. "After she finishes with America, she needs to destroy the head of the beast in Israel." and "They are really having their fun with HAARP."
1711450;1504847720;mircea_popescu;um
1711451;1504847739;mircea_popescu;how the fuck didn't i feel ANYTHING ?
1711452;1504847878;mircea_popescu;srsly, there can be a 8.0 earthquake 1k miles away and it'll pass entitrely unnoticed ?!
1711453;1504848084;trinque;looks like there was a 4.7 closer to ya yesterday, off the coast of el salvador.
1711454;1504848122;trinque;possibly already scooted in your area? but not sure, 8.0 is quite a jostle.
1711455;1504848299;ben_vulpes;how long would the shear waves take to propagate?
1711456;1504848322;ben_vulpes;4-12 minutes, back of the envelope?
1711457;1504848334;ben_vulpes;also with shitty constants gleaned in a hurry
1711458;1504848573;ben_vulpes;PeterL: you around?
1711459;1504848599;mircea_popescu;trinque that, i felt. very slight shake.
1711460;1504848621;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i expect < 15 minutes yes.
1711461;1504848658;mircea_popescu;anyway, the scale is exponential, 5 ain't a sort of 60% of 8.
1711462;1504848736;mircea_popescu;(the item that leveled bucharest in 1977 was 7.2 not 8, and it happened 200kms away.)
1711463;1504848803;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1A2EDFDA3563E2D6625C378F4B5C4103DEB5D71CE5D94E4918230ED1391F266C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1558...5683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '196.46.112.13 (ssh-rsa key from 196.46.112.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (proxy1.kino.cd.ibcore.net. CD)
1711464;1504848803;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1A2EDFDA3563E2D6625C378F4B5C4103DEB5D71CE5D94E4918230ED1391F266C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1580...8843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '196.46.112.13 (ssh-rsa key from 196.46.112.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (proxy1.kino.cd.ibcore.net. CD)
1711465;1504848832;ben_vulpes;"preliminary magnitude"
1711466;1504848838;trinque;http://archive.is/NJqLH << updated, now saying tsunami possible in 8 countries including costa rica.
1711467;1504848863;mircea_popescu;not much of a concern that i dun think.
1711468;1504848868;trinque;iirc mircea_popescu is up high, yeah.
1711469;1504848879;mircea_popescu;most of the country is.
1711470;1504848930;mircea_popescu;what a helluva name, you know ? pijijiapan, srsly ?
1711471;1504848937;mircea_popescu;anyway, pretty close to villahermosa, which i've been to.
1711472;1504849302;ben_vulpes;meanwhile, usg.census outsourcing its work to usg.facebook: http://archive.is/K6JWo
1711473;1504849311;mircea_popescu;cheaper that way.
1711474;1504849380;ben_vulpes;usg.valuation predicted to rise with increased eyeball count per usg.facebook
1711475;1504849405;mircea_popescu;heh
1711476;1504849657;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/rhinestone/ << Trilema - Rhinestone
1711477;1504850051;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> srsly, there can be a 8.0 earthquake 1k miles away and it'll pass entitrely unnoticed ?! << Perhaps you were preoccupied with another jostle?
1711478;1504850228;mircea_popescu;even so~!
1711479;1504850238;mircea_popescu;but no, i was watching dolly parton not like stallone.
1711480;1504851057;*;ben_vulpes just looked up GF(2), while working to understand how the keccak 'reference' authors got from the step definitions in 1.2 to the pseudocode in 2.3, experiencing an 'oh dear' moment
1711481;1504852532;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1711482;1504852533;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: None | Current Difficulty: 9.22724699725E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 485855 | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1711483;1504870314;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711142 << hah, i'll ask around. there's been a general tightening of club scene, but i'll see what i can find
1711484;1504870314;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 14:50 mircea_popescu: say phf ! since you're in moscow, what's the bdsm scene like ? do they have a club ? mind doing a field report ?
1711485;1504876189;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/uK8pr/?raw=true
1711486;1504876189;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1711487;1504879232;mod6;mornin'
1711488;1504879317;shinohai;Buenas dias mod6 o/
1711489;1504879373;mod6;hai
1711490;1504879610;shinohai;http://archive.is/A1vDn  "How I got social-engineered out of my Bitcoin, yet want to blame Conbase because I was stupid enough to use them"
1711491;1504880266;asciilifeform;'I assumed that a company as well known as Coinbase must have phone support. So I googled “coinbase phone support” and a number popped up. I gave this number to Rita. It turns out that this number was a fraud. When Rita called it, a man identified himself as a Coinbase support rep and asked her to go to a special Coinbase support website where he had Rita enter her username, password, and the confirmation code texted to her phone
1711492;1504880266;asciilifeform;' << lol!!
1711493;1504880360;asciilifeform;'Coinbase support is schockingly bad' << illiteracy is however a-ok...
1711494;1504880444;mod6;hhaha
1711495;1504880804;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-08#1711480 << i.e. carryless addition, aka xor.
1711496;1504880804;a111;Logged on 2017-09-08 06:10 ben_vulpes just looked up GF(2), while working to understand how the keccak 'reference' authors got from the step definitions in 1.2 to the pseudocode in 2.3, experiencing an 'oh dear' moment
1711497;1504885232;shinohai;LOL @ this tweet from Equifax last month: "Tired of keeping track of all your passwords? We partnered with @FISGlobal to launch OnlyID – a new #digital authentication solution." https://twitter.com/Equifax/status/900439176591659008
1711498;1504885798;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf ever tried sbcl for arm 'softfloat' cpu ? all i get is 'Illegal instruction' death when running, regardless of what build.
1711499;1504885799;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1711500;1504887447;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL
1711501;1504887448;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
1711502;1504887468;PeterL;hi asciilifeform
1711503;1504887483;asciilifeform;ohai PeterL
1711504;1504887527;PeterL;I threw together http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JWVm6/?raw=true so that I could test out my keccak by hashing a file
1711505;1504887588;PeterL;so I have been cleaning up bugs, and I ran into the error "raised constraint_error : s-expint.adb:65 overflow check failed" any idea what that would come from?
1711506;1504887604;asciilifeform;gimme whole stack pyramid
1711507;1504887675;PeterL;umm, that was all I got
1711508;1504887713;PeterL;is there a way to make it give me more?
1711509;1504887714;asciilifeform;PeterL: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn/Symbolic-Traceback.html#Symbolic-Traceback
1711510;1504887762;asciilifeform;http://www.adacore.com/adaanswers/gems/gem-142-exceptions/ << moar likbez
1711511;1504887807;asciilifeform;build with -g  , use addr2line to get the stacktrace.
1711512;1504887857;asciilifeform;you oughta do this nearly always . ( 1 notable exception is ffa or other 'tight' code where you're testing speed, and correctness already known; there -g will give a 10-15x speed penalty )
1711513;1504888389;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711358 << bwahgaha o lordy.
1711514;1504888389;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 21:33 ben_vulpes: i see you racist misandry and raise you a racist sandwich: "Applying critical analysis to food is essential to understanding and framing 'big picture' ideas about white supremacist capitalist heteropatriarchy."
1711515;1504888409;mircea_popescu;"petrocheese for everyone" as a philosophical choice amirite.
1711516;1504888430;mircea_popescu;why are socialists so fucking dumb anyway. o, nevermind, i forget : that's the fucking definition of the term.
1711517;1504888654;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711361 << how hasn't it happened ? have you looked at the hashing over time ?
1711518;1504888654;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 21:35 fromloper: Why hasn't this happened to bcrash yet? http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#selection-73.3-79.82
1711519;1504888860;mircea_popescu;the difference between altcoin and bcc is that i stopped supporting altcoin after losing some dust ; whereas the idiots are still pushing the dead cat uphill in spiute of losing milions. which is, again, why http://trilema.com/2012/fact-of-the-matter-is-the-infrastructure-was-not-ready/#selection-27.0-53.592 ie you SHOULD NOT give ANY money to children and imbeciles. and that includes governments, which are always and everywh
1711520;1504888860;mircea_popescu;ere the handywork of children and imbeciles.
1711521;1504888913;mircea_popescu;so don't ask me why usg & friends is bleeding its ~worthless ass over bcc. ask instead mit why it is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674638
1711522;1504888913;a111;Logged on 2017-06-26 20:07 asciilifeform: from earlier, lulz, 'In April 2017, an unexpected and disruptive change was made to the MIT network: the sale of historically MIT-allocated IP address ranges to external entities such as Amazon. The sale wasn't announced to the MIT community until after it had taken effect. '
1711523;1504888963;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711366 << there's ~0 difference this makes, ftr. (original article even discusses it, plainly).
1711524;1504888963;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 21:37 shinohai: fromloper: It has iirc .... but there was some sort of "Emergency Difficulty adjustment" they implemented.
1711525;1504889297;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/08/blackzillas-2nd-track-day/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Blackzilla’s 2nd track day.
1711526;1504889412;asciilifeform;'Suppose you recalibrate difficulty each block instead. Big whoop, so attacker drives your difficulty up 100x and now you only have to mine six days for negative returns instead of two years. So what ? You're still underwater, and once you recover he can still do it again.' ( from mircea_popescu's likbez )
1711527;1504889501;mircea_popescu;the numbers also don';t matter. if he drives it up 1.01 instead, he STILL gets to bleed you for the 0.01
1711528;1504889528;mircea_popescu;you can pretend not to care, yes, moreso if 0.01 than if 100. but then again, look where "pretending not to care" about the shearing has taken sheep.
1711529;1504889608;mircea_popescu;and yes, obviously this arrangement is a perfect match for the usg / its fiat-statist allies in south korea etcetera. because that's exactly what the socialist state proposition is, "we'll be bleeding for as long as we live and attempt to kill everyone before the air runs out".
1711530;1504890292;mircea_popescu;and since i linked that, how about http://trilema.com/2012/fact-of-the-matter-is-the-infrastructure-was-not-ready/#comment-91305 in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699949
1711531;1504890292;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 04:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty.
1711532;1504890331;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711374 << word.
1711533;1504890331;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 21:41 BingoBoingo: And it's very disruptive, and very cutting to those propping up the bcrash scam
1711534;1504890395;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711376 << i'm very curious where hungary actually lives up to the nationalist pretense of the past decade and tells them where to stuff it.
1711535;1504890395;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 21:59 ben_vulpes: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/06/eu-court-rejects-refugee-quota-challenge-hungary-slovakia/ "Politics has raped European law and values"
1711536;1504890626;mircea_popescu;fwiw romania's been well fucked by the usg pretense in the middle east ; my lawyers report there's hundreds of unemployed, unskilled laborers sitting around the outskirts of towns doing jack shit and slowly boiling to the government-desired rape-and-pilage temperature.
1711537;1504890653;mircea_popescu;and since it's an orcland, the government actually had the audacity to make hiring ilegals A FELONY, while the local farmers can't find farm hands.
1711538;1504891645;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711383 << because you don't understand how they'd like for the world to works.
1711539;1504891645;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 22:03 BingoBoingo: Why not just call Sharpton's blackmail scam what it is?
1711540;1504891829;shinohai;Site set up about Equifax breach is using a free shared CloudFlare SSL cert. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJKYVNJVwAAsdcM.jpg
1711541;1504891851;mircea_popescu;why the fuck are they using https in the first place.
1711542;1504891880;shinohai;Consumer sekoority!
1711543;1504891916;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-08#1711493 << am i the only one thinking "rita" is a dog's name ?!
1711544;1504891916;a111;Logged on 2017-09-08 14:19 asciilifeform: 'Coinbase support is schockingly bad' << illiteracy is however a-ok...
1711545;1504891929;mircea_popescu;did this schmuck actually have the dog call some nigerian off the internets ?!
1711546;1504891975;mircea_popescu;"hello, this is dog!" "hello sr mr dog, this is mr james. jack james. harry. please write down some money numbers"
1711547;1504891979;mircea_popescu;"i have no idea what's going on."
1711548;1504892107;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-08#1711512 << run instrumented always while preparing a patch/v-root ; never when compiling from an existing v-tree. simple rule, no reason not to follow.
1711549;1504892107;a111;Logged on 2017-09-08 16:24 asciilifeform: you oughta do this nearly always . ( 1 notable exception is ffa or other 'tight' code where you're testing speed, and correctness already known; there -g will give a 10-15x speed penalty )
1711550;1504892144;mircea_popescu;makes the separation between "code writing" and "code running" stick in the head. and it's an important separation to have.
1711551;1504892245;mircea_popescu;oh, and in other important separations to have : http://68.media.tumblr.com/034e2fc0882b8a5967a5a325c5307f02/tumblr_nn7i8tUiiM1upqo7jo1_500.gif
1711552;1504893269;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: is this carryless addition/GF(2)/xor package part of finite field arithmetic
1711553;1504893294;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : http://uscfhq.blogspot.com/2017/09/google-alert-nsa_7.html (August 2017 Statement)
1711554;1504893382;ben_vulpes;"...more than a third of U.S. Navy ships based out of Japan had expired warfare training certifications..." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-navy/many-u-s-navy-ships-in-pacific-lack-certification-watchdog-idUSKCN1BI2YD
1711555;1504893429;mircea_popescu;us ships are not for fightin'. they're, much like latina mommy-whores, for showing. if the showing dun impress you, they sure as fuck ain't lifting a foot above knee level, wtf is this, work ?!
1711556;1504893495;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'FZ_Xor'
1711557;1504893515;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wtf's that
1711558;1504893546;mircea_popescu;the link ? some rando / spammer / mfa pulling google alerts into blog posts.
1711559;1504893576;mircea_popescu;or what level is the question directed at ? google alerts are this thing, roughly equivalent to push-wikipedia.
1711560;1504893583;asciilifeform;looks like autogenned snoarfest
1711561;1504893589;asciilifeform;aah
1711562;1504894271;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4103E97DFCB0EE16C1726F2DC7649F4C12701F456E894BC54BA5EBF1567067BB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1591...2237 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.255.0.12 (ssh-rsa key from 89.255.0.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (web001.hosting-concepts.nl. NL)
1711563;1504894271;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4103E97DFCB0EE16C1726F2DC7649F4C12701F456E894BC54BA5EBF1567067BB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1786...2043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.255.0.12 (ssh-rsa key from 89.255.0.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (web001.hosting-concepts.nl. NL)
1711564;1504894304;asciilifeform;^ https://www.openprovider.nl << alive, hoster co
1711565;1504894330;asciilifeform;'zonder ssl-certif..' << /me thinks 'zonderkommando'
1711566;1504895316;asciilifeform;in other rubbishes, https://www.picoquant.com/products/category/quantum-random-number-generator/pqrng-150-quantum-random-number-generator
1711567;1504895320;asciilifeform;!!up PeterL
1711568;1504895321;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
1711569;1504895350;PeterL;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6sfA8/?raw=true << changes to get the thing I posted yesterday to work
1711570;1504895373;asciilifeform;PeterL: plz be very specific, what means work
1711571;1504895381;asciilifeform;matches known in:out pairs ? from where ?
1711572;1504895404;PeterL;ah, what I mean is now I can actually get an output
1711573;1504895407;asciilifeform;aa
1711574;1504895426;PeterL;I was about to ask, is there a good source of in:out pairs to compare against?
1711575;1504895446;asciilifeform;the original c proggy came with 'test vectors'
1711576;1504895447;asciilifeform;try those.
1711577;1504895793;PeterL;ok, found this https://keccak.team/obsolete/KeccakKAT-3.zip , I will work on setting up tests against it
1711578;1504895952;mircea_popescu;o hey, is that /obsolete/ a copy of old site ?
1711579;1504895975;PeterL;heh, wait, I guess I want a non-obsolete
1711580;1504895981;asciilifeform;nonono
1711581;1504896048;mircea_popescu;no, they fucked up their site.
1711582;1504897152;mod6;!!up PeterL
1711583;1504897152;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
1711584;1504898713;pete_dushenski;http://www.columbia.edu/~jl4130/BTC.pdf << bout time columbia economist study something useful.
1711585;1504898799;asciilifeform;ohai pete_dushenski
1711586;1504898801;pete_dushenski;"Bitcoin is not regulated. It cannot be regulated" << not a terrible conclusion either. the edges of usg.uni are starting to come around to the realities of the new world order in which they control everless and are left to "theorise" evermore
1711587;1504898815;pete_dushenski;heya alf
1711588;1504898835;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski:  enjoying aurora  ?
1711589;1504898874;pete_dushenski;always :)
1711590;1504898899;mircea_popescu;yes, but the next step is going to be their whining about how if it can't be regulated therefore it shouldn't exist.
1711591;1504898912;mircea_popescu;~0 chance of "well since bitcoin can't be regulated by govertnment, no point in having government anymore"
1711592;1504899001;pete_dushenski;derps are great at convincing themselves that things that they don't like are fake, wrong, or generally shouldn't exist.
1711593;1504899139;pete_dushenski;but this is ancient observation
1711594;1504899229;pete_dushenski;what's more entertaining is watching usg.xxx struggle internally with pretending the sun isn't really rising but wouldn't it be neato if it did and i bet you it would follow this calculated trajectory along the sky.
1711595;1504899272;mircea_popescu;pity nobody ever saw it!!!
1711596;1504899389;pete_dushenski;"i even asked my nerdy cousin but he said he'd never seen the sun either, though he claimed that a wow-head buddy had years ago back when the sun was only a little tyke, but i can't be sure how accurate that account is"
1711597;1504900218;pete_dushenski;https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/08/04/upshot/00up-women2/00up-women2-jumbo.jpg << one for soldering aficionados ("among the most downloaded images this year from getty's lean in collection")
1711598;1504900374;*;asciilifeform searches l0gz for the infamous 'wimminz in kompyooting' loljpg with the chix holding iron like a pencil
1711599;1504900378;*;asciilifeform fails to find
1711600;1504900440;shinohai;asciilifeform: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/solderingiron.jpg
1711601;1504900441;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475820
1711602;1504900441;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 15:50 shinohai: Possibly like this girl helping asciilifeform solder? http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/solderingiron.jpg
1711603;1504900446;asciilifeform;ahahahaha yes
1711604;1504900456;mod6;heheh
1711605;1504900468;mircea_popescu;lol
1711606;1504900504;asciilifeform;( all i found was... http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-05#1007269 )
1711607;1504900504;a111;Logged on 2015-02-05 02:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.my-garage.spb.ru/img/238.jpg  << a cryptoanalytic soldering iron.
1711608;1504914285;shinohai;http://archive.is/bZjyH   <<< Bwahahaha (Ripple) .... "has soared in value to $0.20"
1711609;1504914289;shinohai;Such scam
1711610;1504923013;asciilifeform;'Bitcoin, one of the oldest and most established cryptocurrencies' << loL!!
1711611;1504923027;asciilifeform;didjaknow, didjaknow, 'one of'
1711612;1504923039;asciilifeform;y'know, with all them others.
1711613;1504923962;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/48A8D19A6A81384890010F9893258751E9DE627E77E0CF10134C5202B4787F86 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8888...4329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.0.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.0.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1711614;1504923963;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7AFCB319BA5F87300D36645CC29652B8350BDA7B93FFCEAB37D84668D2E9B5DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8888...4329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.5.87 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.5.87 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1711615;1504923963;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF285CE5C4B0EE19C83F8D94DB19C7C64CB6E860615DECE9AF352E6605983707 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8888...4329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.29 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1711616;1504923964;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/48A8D19A6A81384890010F9893258751E9DE627E77E0CF10134C5202B4787F86 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9556...9709 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.0.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.0.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
1711617;1504929571;mod6;<+asciilifeform> y'know, with all them others. << haha
1711618;1504932009;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and yes, obviously this arrangement is a perfect match for the usg / its fiat-statist allies in south korea etcetera. because that's exactly what the socialist state proposition is, "we'll be bleeding for as long as we live and attempt to kill everyone before the air runs out". << But, bleeding is a feminist value!
1711619;1504932422;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/08/04/upshot/00up-women2/00up-women2-jumbo.jpg << one for soldering aficionados ("among the most downloaded images this year from getty's lean in collection") << OMG that workbench is disorganized
1711620;1504932439;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1711621;1504932446;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4250.99, vol: 25225.45718875 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4249.0, vol: 68533.00117864 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3765.075843, vol: 40267.39950000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4352.9, vol: 8520.99019516 | Volume-weighted last average: 4118.86146612
1711622;1504964576;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/30E6FD2620585D7A49604E9D3C604AB3A368DEAF4309D29592D24D4CC8D3E820 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1629...6449 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '130.18.86.48 (ssh-rsa key from 130.18.86.48 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mislab.business.msstate.edu. US MS)
1711623;1504964576;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/30E6FD2620585D7A49604E9D3C604AB3A368DEAF4309D29592D24D4CC8D3E820 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1362...1623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '130.18.86.48 (ssh-rsa key from 130.18.86.48 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mislab.business.msstate.edu. US MS)
1711624;1504966058;BingoBoingo;mislab.business.msstate.edu "BIS 3523 Advanced Languages I BIS 4523/6523 Business Programming with COBOL" >> COBOL Class Phuctored
1711625;1504969638;asciilifeform;in other fauxphuctors, http://www.allprivatekeys.com
1711626;1504970469;shinohai;lolz
1711627;1504971891;asciilifeform;today's surprise for asciilifeform : shitware 'linuxes' that SHIPPED WITHOUT SSHD
1711628;1504971915;asciilifeform;( update mothershi^H^H^H^H^Hserver dead ? fuck you and tough cookies... )
1711629;1504971945;asciilifeform;i presently have nfi how anyone considered or even today considers, e.g., ubuntu, to be a workstation os
1711630;1504974454;mod6;mornin'
1711631;1504974485;asciilifeform;ohai mod6
1711632;1504974488;mod6;<+asciilifeform> today's surprise for asciilifeform : shitware 'linuxes' that SHIPPED WITHOUT SSHD << yea, smh
1711633;1504974538;mod6;this started about a hear ago where i think they just figured "if we don't ship with ssh, then they'll just go back to using rlogin"
1711634;1504974556;mod6;haha
1711635;1504974594;asciilifeform;mno mod6 , not a year ago
1711636;1504974606;asciilifeform;i ran into it when trying to replicate the classical 'dead rng' debian setup
1711637;1504974610;asciilifeform;circa '07.
1711638;1504974619;mod6;no kiddin?  huh.
1711639;1504974640;mod6;i feel like it wasn't that long ago that I had to start doing the apt-get install sshd thing on boxen
1711640;1504974645;mod6;maybe you're right tho
1711641;1504974665;asciilifeform;'gutsy gibbon' ships sans sshd and with no obvious way to retrofit it
1711642;1504974680;asciilifeform;( currently looking for a period .deb of it, to no avail )
1711643;1504974700;asciilifeform;no telnetd either, nuffin.
1711644;1504974780;asciilifeform;might have to resort to slip over serialport...
1711645;1504974903;mod6;lol
1711646;1504977102;mod6;anyway, yes, kill them with fire.
1711647;1504977119;mod6;im looking forward to TMSR~s own cuntoo.
1711648;1504979126;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/048C921C0C2F38D9ABCA9F7A1645355C1758BD631D34D839801C5DFDEF6DA06C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...1037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.17.157.15 (ssh-rsa key from 85.17.157.15 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (spamfilter02.skyberate.net. NL)
1711649;1504979126;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/048C921C0C2F38D9ABCA9F7A1645355C1758BD631D34D839801C5DFDEF6DA06C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1760...9999 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.17.157.15 (ssh-rsa key from 85.17.157.15 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (spamfilter02.skyberate.net. NL)
1711650;1504980374;mircea_popescu;andhere i'd have thought ~today's~ ehader is shinohai 's favourite.\
1711651;1504980418;shinohai;Well. it's up there on the top 10 for sure.
1711652;1504980443;mod6;hi
1711653;1504980446;mircea_popescu;heya
1711654;1504980467;mod6;check this out: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xJfqU/?raw=true
1711655;1504980485;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
1711656;1504980493;mod6;ada vtron being built
1711657;1504980497;mircea_popescu;o hey!
1711658;1504980505;mircea_popescu;kickass
1711659;1504980512;asciilifeform;neato mod6
1711660;1504980515;mod6;got a long way to go yet, but got the wot part done lastnight.
1711661;1504980610;mod6;no heap, arrays only, etc.
1711662;1504980663;mod6;have to use Interfaces.C to exec gpg and things.  which, I don't love.  but eventually, will need to be rebuilt to work with 'p'.
1711663;1504980826;mircea_popescu;pretty cool mod6
1711664;1504980982;mod6;it serves multiple purposes; a more readable 'v' (perhaps even faster/better?), a project for me to gain proficiency in ada.  etc.
1711665;1504981017;mod6;it has been a bit slow-going, but the last week or so, things are starting to click for me -- at least, a little bit.  long way to go though.  we'll see.
1711666;1504981313;mircea_popescu;kinda how you win, make things that fit into multiple joints.
1711667;1504982002;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-08#1711608 << the fun things about scams never going away is that they're stuck competing with each other.
1711668;1504982002;a111;Logged on 2017-09-08 23:44 shinohai: http://archive.is/bZjyH   <<< Bwahahaha (Ripple) .... "has soared in value to $0.20"
1711669;1504982015;mircea_popescu;buncha broadleaf weeds trying desperately to shade everyone else.
1711670;1504982075;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-09#1711610 << loller. shakespeare, one of the oldest and most established audre lorde
1711671;1504982075;a111;Logged on 2017-09-09 02:10 asciilifeform: 'Bitcoin, one of the oldest and most established cryptocurrencies' << loL!!
1711672;1504982302;mircea_popescu;and before you laugh : this is EXACTLY what they are thinking, it's not a joke, it's a statement of fact. 1. everyone has "the human right" of being here in the first place, and being free of any "rape" such as being insufficient for anything, or in any way inadequate, including being untalented, obese, you name it. 2. from the indemnity againast any inconvenience or shortcoming (called "negativity" in-universe) it then follo
1711673;1504982302;mircea_popescu;ws that 2. everyone is perfect in every way (called "special" in-universe) ; meanwhile 3. because progress and pangloss' best possible world, all historical characters are definitionaly LESS than the present troop of ruminants (and see also the inflation delusion, as well discussed for instance in http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122822 ) from which together it then follows and from this in turn it
1711674;1504982303;mircea_popescu; then follows that, literally, shakespeare is one of the older and more established audre lordes.
1711675;1504982395;mircea_popescu;this is the pantsuit worldview, and it is in fact deeply adequate for the needs and mental capacities of http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ females, ie literal idiots (iq of 60) whose only function is biological.
1711676;1504982430;mircea_popescu;now, why the fuck do you call them hillary and dress them in pantsuits is anyone's guess. but the fact remains -- socialism works. for barefoot & pregnant women, it actually works ideally well.
1711677;1504982738;mircea_popescu;they live in fargo, they go "mmm-hhhhmmmm", they shop at walmart where everyone=everyone=customer and so following. what do you mean nobody asked them anything and what is asking ? they've seen a filmusical once with susan sarandon and "that mobster guy" and it was all about stupid cunts. there's more ?
1711678;1504983169;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-09#1711618 << rather, huh.
1711679;1504983169;a111;Logged on 2017-09-09 04:40 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and yes, obviously this arrangement is a perfect match for the usg / its fiat-statist allies in south korea etcetera. because that's exactly what the socialist state proposition is, "we'll be bleeding for as long as we live and attempt to kill everyone before the air runs out". << But, bleeding is a feminist value!
1711680;1504985602;mircea_popescu;and in other "Did we ever do"s https://20805.blogspot.com/2016/08/bitcoin-most-serene-republic.html
1711681;1504985705;*;mod6 looks
1711682;1504985877;mircea_popescu;guy's been writing a lot.
1711683;1504985911;mod6;not a bad post, actually.
1711684;1504985924;mircea_popescu;yeah. the icecream fascism thing isn't terrible either.
1711685;1504985933;mod6;real men s/write/read/ code, however.
1711686;1504985951;mod6;ahaha. fair enough.
1711687;1504985976;mircea_popescu;recent post of his, applying the "switch words around" mp method to some chomsky discussion of anarchism.
1711688;1504985983;mircea_popescu;i was vaguely curious if anyone'll confess, tbh.
1711689;1504986198;mod6;guy is anon 'eh?
1711690;1504987292;mircea_popescu;afaik
1711691;1505007440;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1711692;1505007449;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4284.77, vol: 9314.51498455 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4286.9, vol: 28610.45644877 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3734.056914, vol: 18368.55230000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4319.8, vol: 3356.1767715 | Volume-weighted last average: 4118.17578588
1711693;1505007866;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5153FA55A551068A236813405E8A6CF6C06DD6F127D55FB8EA60BA3D226BFE2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1606...4067 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.86.164.131 (ssh-rsa key from 217.86.164.131 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pd956a483.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE)
1711694;1505007866;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5153FA55A551068A236813405E8A6CF6C06DD6F127D55FB8EA60BA3D226BFE2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1422...4897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.86.164.131 (ssh-rsa key from 217.86.164.131 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pd956a483.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE)
1711695;1505008242;BingoBoingo;https://i.redditmedia.com/4qNJVNQB31pVOrgz-EiEv6flGGICj0qdAAuxul1KqD0.jpg?w=576&s=3a1922231ecc1bd7e3f722158069d6c0 << The secret to longevity!
1711696;1505008305;mod6;lol
1711697;1505008867;BingoBoingo;In other news, people are bitching all scandalized about plywood selling for what it sells for. Turn out they've been looking at 2'x2' and 2'x4' sheets instead of full sheets.
1711698;1505009059;BingoBoingo;""Hurr durr sell $6 plywood for $30" Fuck you
1711699;1505009118;BingoBoingo;Drop your pants because this is $30 plywood and you're going to be happy about it or it'll be happy in you
1711700;1505009193;mircea_popescu;kek
1711701;1505009322;mod6;you'd think, that people would have plywood saved up from last time they had to batten down the hatches
1711702;1505009396;BingoBoingo;Seriously though, I am in the midwest. Here the shit they should be putting on windows is closer to $40 and up for a full sheet
1711703;1505009404;BingoBoingo;In other lolz: "In CharityWatch’s view, the Kars4Kids ads deceive potential donors by failing to inform them that donated cars will benefit a Jewish organization and kids of Jewish faith. Furthermore, the youth programs Kars4Kids supports promote an Orthodox Jewish lifestyle, which CharityWatch believes compounds the deception perpetrated by the Kars4Kids ads. Oorah, Kars4Kids’ “sister charity,” is the organization that actually
1711704;1505009404;BingoBoingo;runs the “educational, developmental, and recreational programs for Jewish youth and their families” described in Kars4Kids’ mission statement."
1711705;1505009450;mircea_popescu;oh, wait, pantsuit has sole and absolute monopoly on deceiving ?
1711706;1505009458;BingoBoingo;Apparently
1711707;1505009472;BingoBoingo;Well pantsuit and their jew charities
1711708;1505009476;mircea_popescu;afaik it's a-ok "in chartiywatch's view" to ask for money to "help women" and then spend it on inflating idiot's egos instead.
1711709;1505009509;mircea_popescu;at least via the kars4kids thing SOME ACTUAL KIDS are getting something.
1711710;1505009531;mircea_popescu;as opposed to the usual black chix code bs, which is never about any black chicks getting anything but reamed.
1711711;1505009582;BingoBoingo;Oh do they. I though chairty watch just told you every so called charity was a scam and too keep all your jools4you
1711712;1505009604;mircea_popescu;ah do they ?
1711713;1505009609;BingoBoingo;No idea
1711714;1505009622;BingoBoingo;All I know if Kars4Kids ads are a cancer
1711715;1505009783;BingoBoingo;All broadcast media in the United States carries fucking Kars4Kids ads. They don't get that kind of budget without being the Jewish children of Pantsuits club
1711716;1505009810;*;mircea_popescu is entirely innocent
1711717;1505009820;mircea_popescu;wtf is it anyway ?
1711718;1505009905;BingoBoingo;It's a scam that buys radio airtime, and just spams the shit out of their shitty jingles.
1711719;1505009968;BingoBoingo;The jingle consists of "phone number, repeat phone number , repeat phone number , Donate your car today"
1711720;1505009982;BingoBoingo;No details offered beyond that
1711721;1505010001;mircea_popescu;so they take old cars and ship them to whatever, lebanon ?
1711722;1505010080;BingoBoingo;Or scrap them for cash. Donor gets $600 tax deduction even if the car has negative scrap value
1711723;1505010164;mircea_popescu;not a bad scam
1711724;1505010182;BingoBoingo;It's why the jews and not Al Sharpton do it
1711725;1505010184;mircea_popescu;euros had enough sense to state-run this
1711726;1505010207;mircea_popescu;(everyone got ~5k credit if replaced old car. as a result ro car plant sold 1mn units of the 5k euro dacia things. NEW CARS!)
1711727;1505010845;BingoBoingo;LOL
1711728;1505010893;BingoBoingo;Bahamas and pantsuit try this with battery cars, but too broke for credit to equal price, or even bring price to normal car price
1711729;1505011115;BingoBoingo;In US donating car is sucker's move. For it to make sense one loses car ownership game of hot potato while having income such that itemizing deductions makes sense
1711730;1505011349;mircea_popescu;but children!
1711731;1505011368;mircea_popescu;it's funny you can actually diagnose pantsuit rot in a society by how universal the "you know, for kids" nonsense is.
1711732;1505011410;mircea_popescu;answer falls on a scale between "fuck you and your stupid ugly fucking urchins" in sane societies to "omg it must be right then!" in batshit insane societies
1711733;1505011599;BingoBoingo;yeah
1711734;1505023486;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2DFC27EB1269C6ABD97777433506E9CAE4CC357A63FD0A0C2152CD8F7542E83A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1705...6029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.250.204.74 (ssh-rsa key from 205.250.204.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (d205-250-204-74.bchsia.telus.net. CA BC)
1711735;1505023486;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2DFC27EB1269C6ABD97777433506E9CAE4CC357A63FD0A0C2152CD8F7542E83A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1753...1283 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.250.204.74 (ssh-rsa key from 205.250.204.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (d205-250-204-74.bchsia.telus.net. CA BC)
1711736;1505049010;phf;this is a btcbase.org psa: if you add ?nick=yournick to the end of a message listing url you're going to get highlight for messages from yournick and messages that have yournick in their text. handy for when you want to see recent messages related to yourself
1711737;1505049078;phf;the feature has been there for a while.. i really should document all the different flags that you can pass to message listing
1711738;1505049098;shinohai;neat phf ... yeah a complete list would be handy
1711739;1505049123;phf;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/?nick=BingoBoingo
1711740;1505049196;phf;i need to figure out how to persist it better. for example i think that the flags should be passed on through <- and -> page changes. or perhaps you should be able to store them in cookie
1711741;1505049368;phf;there's also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-08?inline=true which inlines gifs and jpegs
1711742;1505050435;shinohai;Heh inline even works in w3m phf http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/inline.png
1711743;1505051246;BingoBoingo;ty phf
1711744;1505051433;mod6;mornin
1711745;1505051488;mod6;<+phf> the feature has been there for a while.. i really should document all the different flags that you can pass to message listing << aha.  this would be great as I know the thing does a lot of things, i can just never remember what they are :]
1711746;1505058998;asciilifeform;in today's world of shitunix,
1711747;1505059004;asciilifeform;$ rm -rf *.txt
1711748;1505059005;asciilifeform;-bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
1711749;1505060033;mod6;yeah bs huh
1711750;1505061176;shinohai;LOL
1711751;1505061474;mod6;"Please do not remove this many files, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!111"
1711752;1505062353;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo  http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JwoWa/?raw=true
1711753;1505062353;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1711754;1505066760;asciilifeform;!#s pywallet
1711755;1505066761;a111;19 results for "pywallet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pywallet
1711756;1505066774;asciilifeform;^ anybody know of a proggy with similar functionality, that ACTUALLY RUNS ?
1711757;1505066828;asciilifeform;( not a single one of the boxes i have here now, will eat the 'deprecated' bdb lib for python, that the thing insists on )
1711758;1505066898;shinohai;afaik there isn't one :/
1711759;1505066943;asciilifeform;so what do folx with coldwallets use ? their teeth and a pair of wires ?
1711760;1505067095;shinohai;Well now I use mod6's privkeytools vpatch :D
1711761;1505067121;asciilifeform;pretty sure that rescans every shot
1711762;1505067123;asciilifeform;which is nogood.
1711763;1505067136;asciilifeform;it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool
1711764;1505067143;asciilifeform;which is a must
1711765;1505068968;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711748 << this is a kernel level limit on number of arguments you can pass through argv (documented in e.g. man execve). i think recent linux kernels actually have this work somewhat dynamically.
1711766;1505068968;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 15:56 asciilifeform: -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
1711767;1505068980;phf;there was a naggum rant on the subject, that he recompiles his kernels to make that variable as large as possible, because the behavior is stupid
1711768;1505069095;phf;(i think the rant was in emacs group, because it's not in xach's collection)
1711769;1505069109;asciilifeform;problem is that this dun make it less stupid
1711770;1505069113;asciilifeform;and it WILL barf one day.
1711771;1505069182;phf;well, yes, unix. but my point since it wasn't obvious that it's not rm specific. it's a deep, inherent stupid
1711772;1505069348;asciilifeform;well yes
1711773;1505069356;asciilifeform;we had the innumerable 'tar barfs' threads etc.
1711774;1505069370;asciilifeform;whole os has this monumental fixnum retardation baked in.
1711775;1505069474;phf;heh, plan9 lists this in "bugs" section.
1711776;1505069475;phf;There is a large but finite limit on the size of an argment
1711777;1505069475;phf;          list, typically around 409,600 bytes.  The kernel constant
1711778;1505069476;phf;          TSTKSIZ controls this.
1711779;1505070302;phf;but there's also CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT so this particular failure point is not limited to unix..
1711780;1505070403;phf;hyperspec mandates it to be no less than 50, which basically means you can't rely on #'apply working on unbound lists in a portable way
1711781;1505071537;mod6;<+asciilifeform> it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool << what is meant here? you want to see every private key dumped?
1711782;1505071543;asciilifeform;mod6: correct
1711783;1505071564;asciilifeform;i.e. complete disasm of wallet.dat
1711784;1505071564;asciilifeform;( and, on other occasion, reasm )
1711785;1505071571;mod6;oh. that'd be useful huh.  basically just pass in "" or "all" and it'll dump every priv key and its associated pub key?
1711786;1505071580;asciilifeform;correct. and undump.
1711787;1505071601;mod6;undump?  like import a swath of privkeys ?
1711788;1505071610;asciilifeform;like import exactly what it exported.
1711789;1505071612;asciilifeform;for instance.
1711790;1505071620;asciilifeform;y'know, disasm/asm.
1711791;1505071625;mod6;oh. alright.
1711792;1505071633;mod6;i'll have to look at that.
1711793;1505071638;mod6;this is good feedback, i appreciate it.
1711794;1505071640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> i.e. complete disasm of wallet.dat << it also holds txns
1711795;1505071648;asciilifeform;so them also.
1711796;1505071675;mircea_popescu;it's basically a bdb dump of keys and txn, first part (but not 2nd) aesencrypted.
1711797;1505071683;asciilifeform;aha
1711798;1505071763;asciilifeform;in same $experiment, asciilifeform went to dump 'utxo set' of bitcoin, and found that there is not one single public tool that will do anything of the kind.
1711799;1505071777;asciilifeform;almost as if it isn't the EIGHTH motherfucking year of bitcoin existing
1711800;1505071785;mircea_popescu;myeah
1711801;1505071828;asciilifeform;( there was an item written by -- that very same -- znort987 ; but it dun work worth a shit )
1711802;1505071829;mircea_popescu;would actually be iunteresting, as a phuctor sort of thing. "here's the mempool pile"
1711803;1505071851;mircea_popescu;there are many proprietary shits, but they "publish" summaries in the vein of us scientism, "summaries" and coloring book pdfs.
1711804;1505071860;asciilifeform;wasn't looking at mempool, but at actual blockchain
1711805;1505071867;asciilifeform;( though mempool viewer also would be interesting )
1711806;1505071872;mircea_popescu;both, yes.
1711807;1505071891;asciilifeform;i dun give a rat's arse re proprietary whatevers.
1711808;1505071927;mircea_popescu;and speaking of "i've been around for 8 years and i imagine this means something notwithstanding i got nothing for show for it", hey kanzure are ye busy reading the logs and reforming yourself into republican shape, or are ye back on the old bandwagon of idiocy, sucking from the same old bottle of stupid ?
1711809;1505071980;*;asciilifeform was wondering re ^
1711810;1505072083;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was making a 'is this privkey, generated in whatever external way, live' detector.
1711811;1505072144;asciilifeform;and yes it is quite obvious why none of the folx who made this , are eager to share.
1711812;1505072152;mircea_popescu;heh
1711813;1505072264;kanzure;wut?
1711814;1505072281;mircea_popescu;better error messages!
1711815;1505072390;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711736 << o hey, cool.
1711816;1505072390;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 13:10 phf: this is a btcbase.org psa: if you add ?nick=yournick to the end of a message listing url you're going to get highlight for messages from yournick and messages that have yournick in their text. handy for when you want to see recent messages related to yourself
1711817;1505072428;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711740 << coockie is not hard.
1711818;1505072428;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 13:13 phf: i need to figure out how to persist it better. for example i think that the flags should be passed on through <- and -> page changes. or perhaps you should be able to store them in cookie
1711819;1505072589;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711757 << you don't understand : the deprecated lib is part of th ewallet, because the mike hearn / power ranger imbeciles "updated" the db scheme of prb in order to INCLUDE a new db dependency, and one made by google, but DID NOT remove the old one.
1711820;1505072589;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 18:07 asciilifeform: ( not a single one of the boxes i have here now, will eat the 'deprecated' bdb lib for python, that the thing insists on )
1711821;1505072606;mircea_popescu;"defensive coding practices" you know, defending nsa.
1711822;1505072708;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711759 << folks generally do not use the "wallet" abstraction/idiocy anymore than they use the "accounts" idiocy baked in. 1 address per wallet sorta deal.
1711823;1505072708;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 18:09 asciilifeform: so what do folx with coldwallets use ? their teeth and a pair of wires ?
1711824;1505072763;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711763 << yes, to fish out CHANGE addresses in trb you must FOLLOW txns trees to the unspent leaf. true pain in butt.
1711825;1505072763;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 18:12 asciilifeform: it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool
1711826;1505072811;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711765 << this just means linux kernel is badly written he.
1711827;1505072811;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 18:42 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711748 << this is a kernel level limit on number of arguments you can pass through argv (documented in e.g. man execve). i think recent linux kernels actually have this work somewhat dynamically.
1711828;1505072851;mircea_popescu;i guess THE LINUX WAY, inherited from the c way, inherited from new jersey is to go rm -rf a*.txt and so following.
1711829;1505072871;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711763 << yes, to fish out CHANGE addresses in trb you must FOLLOW txns trees to the unspent leaf. true pain in butt. << ah, good point.  i'll make a note of these requests.
1711830;1505072871;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 18:12 asciilifeform: it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool
1711831;1505072878;mod6;i like it.
1711832;1505072902;mircea_popescu;alternatively iirc xargs takes a param count limit, you keep re-running it
1711833;1505072966;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711785 << pass nada.
1711834;1505072966;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 19:26 mod6: oh. that'd be useful huh.  basically just pass in "" or "all" and it'll dump every priv key and its associated pub key?
1711835;1505072978;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64155CFDE448832FC3FFC8C658CB07A7E7AE575E0CC0039A14415353CA80BFD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1675...1647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.200.169.60 (ssh-rsa key from 205.200.169.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rfmgw1.rapidfinance.ca. CA MB)
1711836;1505072978;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64155CFDE448832FC3FFC8C658CB07A7E7AE575E0CC0039A14415353CA80BFD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1751...2187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.200.169.60 (ssh-rsa key from 205.200.169.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rfmgw1.rapidfinance.ca. CA MB)
1711837;1505073001;mircea_popescu;i do not want results of computation to be dependent on parameters supplied at tiem fo computation. let me do cat all | grep what i want, not fucking bullshit cat all -flag -otherflag nonsense.
1711838;1505073025;spyked;mircea_popescu took the words right from my mouth. find . -name '*.txt' | xargs rm is IMHO elegant enough (decomposes into stream of files and repeated removal). then again, find is another beast on its own
1711839;1505073029;mircea_popescu;this latter is the java way, and it should die with fucking java
1711840;1505073071;mircea_popescu;spyked it's not elegant except in the sense that in the "dara ea-i mai mare muta, muci-i marg, din gura-i pute" world a washed face seems stylish and classy.
1711841;1505073073;mircea_popescu;it ain't.
1711842;1505073334;asciilifeform;rapidfinance.ca << was spamfarm, last known picture looks like http://web.archive.org/web/20131127015336/http://www.rapidfinance.ca:80
1711843;1505073407;spyked;eh. shell is by definition glue/tape macgyver. and "shell" is just a convenient extension of "unix", the same way 3 is a "conveniently chosen approximation" for pi.
1711844;1505073416;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711819 << prb wasn't involved here, was operating on trb .dat's
1711845;1505073416;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 19:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711757 << you don't understand : the deprecated lib is part of th ewallet, because the mike hearn / power ranger imbeciles "updated" the db scheme of prb in order to INCLUDE a new db dependency, and one made by google, but DID NOT remove the old one.
1711846;1505073437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was explaining why pywallet has the dependency.
1711847;1505073438;asciilifeform;( i did get the python bdb thing going, with some massage. but the result is unremarkable, takes ENTIRE SECOND to import a key )
1711848;1505073442;mircea_popescu;everyone does.
1711849;1505073547;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711822 << well yes, ideally. but at some point ~everybody encounters a 'i have here ye olde .dat from 2011' etc
1711850;1505073547;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 19:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711759 << folks generally do not use the "wallet" abstraction/idiocy anymore than they use the "accounts" idiocy baked in. 1 address per wallet sorta deal.
1711851;1505073595;mircea_popescu;golden standard is 1. take ye olde wallet.dat ; 2. dump all txn in it ; 3. dump all addresses involved in them ; 4. get privkeys for all addresses in that list (most of which fail).
1711852;1505073609;asciilifeform;2-4 requires a disasmer
1711853;1505073629;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711785 << pass nada. << alright
1711854;1505073629;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 19:26 mod6: oh. that'd be useful huh.  basically just pass in "" or "all" and it'll dump every priv key and its associated pub key?
1711855;1505073642;asciilifeform;( or, alternatively, a very long manual massage )
1711856;1505073680;asciilifeform;mod6: idea is that you oughta be able to convert ALL known wallet.dat into a human-readable form AND BACK
1711857;1505073696;mircea_popescu;it'd help if we first had a trb wallet model.
1711858;1505073700;mircea_popescu;so in a sense this is premature
1711859;1505073710;mircea_popescu;(which is what happens when people-other-than-mp say what to9 be done!!!)
1711860;1505073742;mircea_popescu;as it is, now he's going to hack together an undesigned, ad-hoc "sane human-readable form", which is nogood.jpg and also how you get dedicated, good folk in trouble.
1711861;1505073763;asciilifeform;sexpr.
1711862;1505073774;mircea_popescu;re-read the ad-hoc thrown together part.
1711863;1505073786;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711838 << this is not ideal, correct command is actually find ... -print0 | xargs -0 ... .
1711864;1505073786;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 19:50 spyked: mircea_popescu took the words right from my mouth. find . -name '*.txt' | xargs rm is IMHO elegant enough (decomposes into stream of files and repeated removal). then again, find is another beast on its own
1711865;1505073789;asciilifeform;sexpr is definitionally correct human representation for anything whatsoever.
1711866;1505073792;mod6;i'll hold off, but this is a good discussion of design goals.
1711867;1505073793;phf;the fact that you have to do this demonstrates a dozen of unix retardations. correct method could just be rm `find .|grep txt`, but this fails in a number of interesting ways
1711868;1505073806;phf;note that plan9/rc tried actually making the last command work, rm `{du|awk '{print $1}'|grep txt} almost works as expected out of the box. (note the somewhat questionable decision to "replace" find with du, but then you have to awk out first column..)
1711869;1505073817;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we're not discussing whether it shopuld be written in latin characters here!
1711870;1505073825;asciilifeform;lol
1711871;1505073862;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711863 << the proverbial bus with four steering wheels, gasses, and brakes.
1711872;1505073862;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 20:03 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711838 << this is not ideal, correct command is actually find ... -print0 | xargs -0 ... .
1711873;1505073878;asciilifeform;' * ' should do the right motherfucking thing.
1711874;1505073888;mircea_popescu;* is not a right motherfucking thing.
1711875;1505073892;mircea_popescu;revisit above re parameters.
1711876;1505073904;asciilifeform;rm -rf *   does not have the right to fail.
1711877;1505073913;mircea_popescu;you do not have the right to write *
1711878;1505073917;asciilifeform;why the hell not ?
1711879;1505073921;mircea_popescu;once you do, you're in best-effort computation world.
1711880;1505073930;asciilifeform;i start with a nonempty dir, and intend to end with an empty one
1711881;1505073938;asciilifeform;this is an O(1) op in the file system
1711882;1505073948;asciilifeform;( even in fat16 )
1711883;1505073949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because it's either a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711837 ie sanity or else if * is semantically meani8ngful you're in new jersey.
1711884;1505073949;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 19:50 mircea_popescu: i do not want results of computation to be dependent on parameters supplied at tiem fo computation. let me do cat all | grep what i want, not fucking bullshit cat all -flag -otherflag nonsense.
1711885;1505073953;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F5927AE84CE7B1841C179B2207451C282683D15F826538BC08E28576077FEEF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1744...7019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.33.38.39 (ssh-rsa key from 62.33.38.39 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
1711886;1505073953;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F5927AE84CE7B1841C179B2207451C282683D15F826538BC08E28576077FEEF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...9847 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.33.38.39 (ssh-rsa key from 62.33.38.39 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
1711887;1505073969;asciilifeform;entirely meaningful. 'all files reachable in this path ? delete'
1711888;1505073972;phf;asciilifeform: my point is what spyked wrote is not even complete in his own terms
1711889;1505073984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform stop an think of what i'm saying rather than just chasing your strand!
1711890;1505073996;mircea_popescu;IF * is meaningful, you're in a broken context.
1711891;1505074009;asciilifeform;i genuinely dun see how
1711892;1505074010;mircea_popescu;* should be implicit ; and it can't not be implicit in working world.
1711893;1505074050;asciilifeform;so i did the usual tar cvfz foo.tar.gz bar/baz/*.txt   and ended up with 'too many...'
1711894;1505074055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because * as a semantic notation is part of a class that goes a*.txt too.
1711895;1505074067;mircea_popescu;this is part of "my computor is my gf" ai world.
1711896;1505074099;asciilifeform;i dun get it. both *.txt, *foo*bar, and * , are well-formed statements with unambiguous correct answer in any possible case.
1711897;1505074111;asciilifeform;unix implements this defectively, with implicit hidden count limit.
1711898;1505074111;mircea_popescu;they are not well formed.
1711899;1505074114;spyked;asciilifeform yeah, but "rm -rf *" doesn't mean "all files reachable in this path". it means "expand * to arbitrarily long sausage, then pass result as args to rm".
1711900;1505074120;mircea_popescu;^
1711901;1505074121;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: demonstrate the ambiguity ?
1711902;1505074129;asciilifeform;spyked: THAT is retarded.
1711903;1505074130;mircea_popescu;the hallucination that * is well formed is a problem.
1711904;1505074131;asciilifeform;and must die.
1711905;1505074133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform NOT ambiguity.
1711906;1505074143;mircea_popescu;it. is. not. well. formed.
1711907;1505074149;asciilifeform;demonstrate how ?
1711908;1505074160;mircea_popescu;because there's no latin character named *. it's an utfism.
1711909;1505074184;asciilifeform;there ain't a latin | either.
1711910;1505074189;mircea_popescu;yes, there is.
1711911;1505074198;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1711912;1505074211;mircea_popescu;thgat's the fucking point. | is wel lformed. * is malformed.
1711913;1505074225;mircea_popescu;IF you gotta say * you know you're in barbarbar land.
1711914;1505074268;asciilifeform;so how would mircea_popescu formulate    tar cvfz foo.tar.gz bar/baz/*.txt      ?
1711915;1505074284;mircea_popescu;tar cvfz foo.tar.gz bar/baz/ | grep .txt
1711916;1505074297;asciilifeform;that dunwork
1711917;1505074309;mircea_popescu;we're discussing how things should be or how they are ?
1711918;1505074315;mircea_popescu;nothingworks.jpg
1711919;1505074330;asciilifeform;i dun see why * should not be an exact shorthand for above.
1711920;1505074333;asciilifeform;if we're doing oughts.
1711921;1505074343;asciilifeform;my whole gripe was that it ain't one.
1711922;1505074346;phf;well, why not: tar cvfz foo.tar.gz `tree bar/baz|grep .txt` ?
1711923;1505074348;mircea_popescu;yes well then we agree.
1711924;1505074354;asciilifeform;because wtf tree and ` and rubbish
1711925;1505074366;asciilifeform;we're talking about simple ops, i should not have to touch fucking shift key
1711926;1505074376;mircea_popescu;lol!
1711927;1505074378;trinque;how does that enter into how to properly represent the thought
1711928;1505074379;mircea_popescu;that's another thing.
1711929;1505074381;trinque;your shift key
1711930;1505074388;asciilifeform;for all you know my shift key has a pin, like grenade, and it take out for speshul occasions.
1711931;1505074392;mircea_popescu;trinque it is a valid point of how to make a proper kbd tho.
1711932;1505074405;*;asciilifeform brb
1711933;1505074441;trinque;mircea_popescu: it is, just thread leapt from meaning of * to omg my keyboard?
1711934;1505074465;mircea_popescu;he's leapin' larry over here.
1711935;1505074483;mircea_popescu;in other news, slavegirl marches in with her-made mango lassi, complete with marasquino cherry etc.
1711936;1505074485;mircea_popescu;MY LIFE IS UNFAIR
1711937;1505074490;phf;shaping a file list is not necessarily simple op, but i'm not sure if ascii's response is even meant to make sense..
1711938;1505074515;mircea_popescu;phf possibly. in any case, the issue is the "DWIM" symbols in thought, let alone language.
1711939;1505074535;mircea_popescu;people gotta get used to the whole alphabet schtick already, "POSSIBLE LESS, DO MORE!"
1711940;1505074685;phf;(the old, not "modern") emacs approach was that you provide non-ambiguous, predictable building block operations that ~specific operator~ can build dwim tools out of. but those dwim tools shouldn't really leave your own toolbox
1711941;1505074712;mircea_popescu;importing ambiguity into computer lang is ~as stupid as trying to orthogonalize natural lang.
1711942;1505074751;mircea_popescu;that's why the fuck cs is in math dept in the first place ; as opposed to fucking literary criticism
1711943;1505074760;mircea_popescu;which gets moar moneyz.
1711944;1505077479;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711933 << keyboard meant as proxy for thoughtalphabet. i.e. if i do something 500 times on a typical day, it had better look like   *   and not like   find . -name '*.arsefuck' | xargs   etc.
1711945;1505077479;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 20:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: it is, just thread leapt from meaning of * to omg my keyboard?
1711946;1505077526;asciilifeform;and if the system designer did not see it this way, then it follows that he was a tard.
1711947;1505077597;asciilifeform;likewise it is screamingly idiotic when  '* behaves exactly like find . -name '*.arsefuck' | xargs  unless you have >9000 files then fuckyou.jpg'
1711948;1505078030;mircea_popescu;the problem of "proxy for thoughalphabet" is that there's no such thing.
1711949;1505078031;trinque;well, as phf said sanity would be that you have orthogonal ops, write own macros for whatever you do 500 times a day, and can call it 8==D for all anyone cares
1711950;1505078086;trinque;in the present circumstance to have glob expansion in shell rather than in each command, gotta pass the individual files as args to the command.
1711951;1505078126;trinque;or each command has its own expansion built in.
1711952;1505078235;mircea_popescu;you shouldn't HAVE glob at all. you should have "on this directory" ; not as a LIST of files but as "this directory".
1711953;1505078252;mircea_popescu;because that is why the fucking fs even exists in the first place, to create "list of items same ops run on"
1711954;1505078256;mircea_popescu;that is what a fucking directory IS!
1711955;1505078282;mircea_popescu;which is why * is broken, because it connotes globbing, and globbing is stupid bullshit, "transform this thing i said into this other thing i meant"
1711956;1505078297;mircea_popescu;how about you fucking learn to think in actual thoughts as opposed to badly mangled "proxies" for thoughts!
1711957;1505078328;mircea_popescu;there IS such a thing as a thought primitive ; and there is such a thing as pseudo-"thought process" to be discounted out of hand for failing to correctly employ the required thought primitives and nothing else.
1711958;1505078329;*;trinque curious why rm does not read a stream of "things upon which to rm" rather than taking as args
1711959;1505078334;mircea_popescu;doh!
1711960;1505078507;asciilifeform;trinque: whole problem with unix is that ALL of its abstractions are porous in exactly the way mircea_popescu described
1711961;1505078510;asciilifeform;incl. stream
1711962;1505078512;mircea_popescu;yes.
1711963;1505078523;mircea_popescu;but this is no reason to fucking continue in the same vein god have mercy on us.
1711964;1505078541;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711948 <-- from which came my "conveniently chosen" remark. convenience starting from e.g. mov eax, ebx vs. mov %ebx, %eax (because this notation looked more "intuitive"/"DWIM" than the other to someone at some particular time in history, so now we have both, but they're incompatible to each other so fuck it)
1711965;1505078541;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 21:13 mircea_popescu: the problem of "proxy for thoughalphabet" is that there's no such thing.
1711966;1505078577;mircea_popescu;spyked yes, the problem of idiots being permited next to the machinery and as a result of their gefingerpoken poppencorken is an old one.
1711967;1505078669;asciilifeform;spyked: gas syntax ( i.e. mov %ebx, %eax ) reminds me of how some folx, whose mothers dropped them when they were small, buy textbook and paint over EVERY WORD with yellow highlighter pen ( i have seen these in used bookstores , the yellow ink almost drips from the page )
1711968;1505078681;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1711969;1505078701;mircea_popescu;100% of "sociology" dept crap at the hooke school i went to, was underlined in multicolors. fully underlined.
1711970;1505078707;mircea_popescu;"what are you highlighting ?"
1711971;1505078721;asciilifeform;the 1 useful thing intel did in its entire life, was to introduce sane asm syntax. but unixtards, as is their custom, ignored.
1711972;1505078758;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ritual, neh.
1711973;1505078773;mircea_popescu;and the stupid whores would buy a DIFFERENT color magic marker. so it'd be yellow, then blue, then red then pink then orange. that's hjow you'd know five cocksuckers read through that copy of saussure, and the last one was orange because she stops midway
1711974;1505078775;asciilifeform;'pen will read, so i dun have to,' or somesuch
1711975;1505078791;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a blessing women have legs, otherwise there'd be multicolored snail trails on all sidewalks.
1711976;1505078797;asciilifeform;lolyes
1711977;1505078820;mircea_popescu;was very much "oh, teh sociology" thing back in the 90s at that uni. because yes, the mommy whores went there.
1711978;1505078824;mircea_popescu;the cool ones did better majors.
1711979;1505078849;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: typical big uni in usa consists 99% by weight, of this
1711980;1505078856;asciilifeform;complete with gigatonnes of yellow ink.
1711981;1505078886;mircea_popescu;maybe they start giving degrees to cats next.
1711982;1505078909;asciilifeform;cats have far too much sense, for this.
1711983;1505078974;mircea_popescu;i suspect this may be true.
1711984;1505079363;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711973 <-- lulz. this is probably now a trend in "natural language" research. lookie https://aleksiknuutila.github.io/nlp-highlight/ moar training wheels
1711985;1505079363;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 21:26 mircea_popescu: and the stupid whores would buy a DIFFERENT color magic marker. so it'd be yellow, then blue, then red then pink then orange. that's hjow you'd know five cocksuckers read through that copy of saussure, and the last one was orange because she stops midway
1711986;1505079398;mircea_popescu;just roll up the god damned book, lube up and shove it.
1711987;1505079608;mircea_popescu;but it very much goes right to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.0-133.837 : "what do you mean i'm getting flunkied, I DID THE WORK! all that hard work of SITTING! I AM A GIRL AND I SAT!! I SHOULD PASS! I CAN PROVE IT!!!"
1711988;1505079630;mircea_popescu;and this stupid shit works because somehow people are too fucking lazy to live anymore.
1711989;1505079719;asciilifeform;upstack : is it obvious to everyone why the %eax is retarded ? ( same reason $foo in basic/perl/other braindamaged langs is)
1711990;1505079818;phf;i unrelated lulz i googled "putin judo" through an ssh proxy with u.s. ip and the top article is "Is Vladimir Putin a judo fraud? - The Washington Post"
1711991;1505079822;phf;choice quote
1711992;1505079823;phf;"No, says Benjamin Wittes, the editor of the national security blog Lawfare.
1711993;1505079824;phf;Wittes, who happens to be a martial arts aficionado himself, has chided Putin as a âfraudâ and a âphonyâ and is trying to call his bluff by challenging the Russian strongman to a fight in any location where Putin lacks the authority to have him arrested.
1711994;1505079825;phf;"
1711995;1505079853;phf;top, fucking, link
1711996;1505079875;asciilifeform;what next, the pet bear was also fraud?!
1711997;1505080176;asciilifeform;even moar upstack , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711801 was interesting in that it inescapably leads to :
1711998;1505080176;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 19:30 asciilifeform: ( there was an item written by -- that very same -- znort987 ; but it dun work worth a shit )
1711999;1505080186;asciilifeform;warning: failed to locate parent block
1712000;1505080187;asciilifeform;warning: in block 0000000000000699f01c80a9cf8a59b9c2935124490a855015355269a48db237 failed to locate parent block 000000000000040167c69f7a835d124214316b72d9a9fc2ec2413a238b6ab6da
1712001;1505080202;asciilifeform;and the interesting bit is that it does this on 4 different independent copies of blockchain that i have.
1712002;1505080204;asciilifeform;incl. a prb one
1712003;1505080248;asciilifeform;the former is blk#188528 and the latter 188529, ftr.
1712004;1505080272;asciilifeform;if anyone knows of what, if anything, is peculiar re either of these, plx to write in.
1712005;1505080307;asciilifeform;( and ftr what this eggog results in is a complete failure to find the longestchain. )
1712006;1505080377;mircea_popescu;and briefly back to the literate whore thread : http://trilema.com/2012/power-fashion-editorii-care-au-revolutionat-moda/ ie guess what "fahion editors" did in college.
1712007;1505080499;mircea_popescu;phf you are familiar with "the michael moore method" yes ? as in, http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-191.0-209.295
1712008;1505080528;mircea_popescu;pantsuits really luv these, so much so they're more than willing to pretend it's the only point and only manifestation of an intellectual life, this sort of "provocative monkeying".
1712009;1505080606;mircea_popescu;and i don't just mean scientific, or imagological baiting. pantsuit.comedy ie "speak truth to power" is supposed to be all about an insufficient monkey goading the closest thing to a lion that could be found. i dunno why they're so fascinated with the pointless nonsense (aside the obvious anal children reference, ofcouars)
1712010;1505081331;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/fake-news-still-stoking-losers-delusions/ << Qntra - Fake News Still Stoking Loser's Delusions
1712011;1505081395;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711989 <-- OTOH, because when viewed in context it's redundant and thus useless. they could as well have designated it "tovarishch register eax" instead of simply "eax".
1712012;1505081395;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 21:41 asciilifeform: upstack : is it obvious to everyone why the %eax is retarded ? ( same reason $foo in basic/perl/other braindamaged langs is)
1712013;1505084943;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1712014;1505084950;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4266.0, vol: 14630.83471276 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4270.0, vol: 45083.781159 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3734.06, vol: 24329.23570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4321.4, vol: 4056.84157063 | Volume-weighted last average: 4123.70135236
1712015;1505085108;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo o/
1712016;1505091614;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/and-now-for-a-special-eulora-news-bulletin/ << Trilema - And now for a special Eulora news bulletin
1712017;1505092407;BingoBoingo;"Overweight is bad news." << Take that hamplanets of Eulora!
1712018;1505097151;BingoBoingo;Welcome back mike_c
1712019;1505097163;mike_c;hey bingo
1712020;1505097665;BingoBoingo;How's the family life?
1712021;1505097717;mike_c;wife and two kids, if I just get a dog and sell my motorcycle I'm about as typical as they come.
1712022;1505097752;mike_c;everybody's good though.  how have you been?
1712023;1505097786;mike_c;staying out of jail it appears :)
1712024;1505097811;mike_c;I assume that means you beat that bullshit you were going through awhile ago.
1712025;1505098153;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lotta people are 100s of tons weight, because you cancurrently keep all the raw materials i npockets. so it's like "here's my 20 tons of raw potatoes ima cut into french fries, 18 tons of"
1712026;1505098219;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Yeah. Thursday I have a hearning on motions and discovery in a speeding ticket case. Sobered up about 22 months ago.
1712027;1505098223;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: OMG
1712028;1505098236;BingoBoingo;Are Eulora players small trains or large trucks?
1712029;1505098243;mircea_popescu;moar like boats.
1712030;1505098252;mircea_popescu;you know, what urbit aspired to be. STARSHEEPS!
1712031;1505098256;BingoBoingo;So they swim?
1712032;1505098277;BingoBoingo;Ah
1712033;1505098282;BingoBoingo;Buttlesheeps
1712034;1505098319;mike_c;congrats!  I did that a long time ago too.  Good luck with it.
1712035;1505098367;*;BingoBoingo still has to work on bicycle to get to motorcycle
1712036;1505105347;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/103AEC2DB4E666A22A935CB0705A2DFBC2D21E4ECB7C5285FD512FADFE3E5DC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...4943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.152 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (5626.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU)
1712037;1505105347;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/103AEC2DB4E666A22A935CB0705A2DFBC2D21E4ECB7C5285FD512FADFE3E5DC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1474...5849 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.152 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (5626.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU)
1712038;1505138794;asciilifeform;in other crippleware lulz, https://archive.is/Ga295 >> 'Tesla used to offer the option to buy a Model S or Model X with a 75 kWh battery pack software-locked at a capacity of 60 kWh. The option would result in a less expensive vehicle with a shorter range, but the option to pay to remotely enable the longer range at a later stage. ... Tesla had temporarily unlocked the remaining 15 kWh of the car’s software-limited battery pack opt
1712039;1505138795;asciilifeform;ion to facilitate the owner’s evacuation. ... the company has put in place the emergency measure to temporarily extend the range of the vehicles of Tesla owners in the path of Hurricane Irma. ... a Tesla owner in a mandatory evacuation zone required another ~30 more miles of range to optimize his evacuation route in the traffic and they reached out to Tesla who agreed to a temporary access to the full 75 kWh of energy in the batter
1712040;1505138795;asciilifeform;y pack, an upgrade that has cost between $4,500 and $9,000 depending on the model and time of upgrade.'
1712041;1505138844;shinohai;LOL
1712042;1505138859;shinohai;Such shitware
1712043;1505138879;asciilifeform;hey if microshit can, why not everybody.
1712044;1505138891;asciilifeform;sell sofa with spikes, retract spikes for $1/hr
1712045;1505138921;shinohai;This reminds me of the tractor thread.
1712046;1505138929;asciilifeform;( and offload cost of chasing and arresting 'dmca violator' folx who offer to saw spikes off, to the great inca, naturally )
1712047;1505138954;asciilifeform;shinohai: possibly because it is exactly the tractor thread. all intellectualpropertytardisms are ~exactly same, under the surface.
1712048;1505139110;asciilifeform;as pictured in http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#selection-131.0-135.429
1712049;1505139577;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-11#1712044 << https://vimeo.com/1665301
1712050;1505139577;a111;Logged on 2017-09-11 14:08 asciilifeform: sell sofa with spikes, retract spikes for $1/hr
1712051;1505140984;asciilifeform;phf: was in the l0gz iirc
1712052;1505141034;shinohai;!~bible Ecclesiastes 1:9
1712053;1505141035;jhvh1;shinohai: [KJV] Ecclesiastes 1:9 :: The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
1712054;1505150928;asciilifeform;!!up fromloper
1712055;1505150929;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1712056;1505150947;asciilifeform;fromloper: hello ?
1712057;1505150953;fromloper;good day!
1712058;1505150960;asciilifeform;fromloper: who might you be ?
1712059;1505150962;shinohai; Greets
1712060;1505150977;fromloper;Bitcoin hodler; bcash dumper
1712061;1505151012;fromloper;I could use some advice wrt the latter: do I need to spend my BTC to new addresses, before bumping my crash?
1712062;1505151022;fromloper;*bcrash
1712063;1505151030;asciilifeform;fromloper: depends with what you do the dumping
1712064;1505151045;asciilifeform;fromloper: if entirely on your own iron, and with proggy that you audited -- then theoretically no
1712065;1505151049;fromloper;I want to sent my bcrash to an exchange, and sell it for BTC
1712066;1505151089;asciilifeform;fromloper: it doesn't hurt to move the btc first.
1712067;1505151093;fromloper;interesting - this is using Armory on an offline machine
1712068;1505151120;fromloper;gotcha - the bcrash will still be on the original addresses, even after the BTC has been moved off?
1712069;1505151134;asciilifeform;iirc armory is not a full node, and relies on full nodes belonging to third parties for all of the mechanics
1712070;1505151143;fromloper;yea, it runs off a Core node
1712071;1505151151;fromloper;(I will be running trb soon, though!)
1712072;1505151163;fromloper;just wanna dump this awful shit ASAP
1712073;1505151168;asciilifeform;move the btc using a trb node
1712074;1505151178;asciilifeform;then move the shitcoins to a gox, and sell.
1712075;1505151202;fromloper;gotcha - but it's still safe to send the bcrash to gox before moving the BTC?
1712076;1505151210;asciilifeform;also take note of the fact that a shitcoin node can take more than a week to sync, the thing is quite buggy and slow
1712077;1505151221;shinohai;imo you are completely safe if you move true btc to new addy, then import keyz to bcrash
1712078;1505151242;fromloper;ye, I should be able to jerryrig the whole thing without installing/syncing the bcrash node
1712079;1505151244;asciilifeform;fromloper: again depends WITH WHAT. if you haven't audited the thing you are importing the privkey into, you are best off moving the btc first.
1712080;1505151314;fromloper;it's a little tricky, in that my BTC are stored on Armory paper backups
1712081;1505151331;fromloper;so at the moment, I need to import via that wallet software
1712082;1505151334;asciilifeform;1) move the btc using trb, to new addr 2) import (now empty on btc chain) privkey into shitcoin node 3) empty the shitcoins into a gox 4) sell
1712083;1505151364;fromloper;Any reason why you're moving the BTC first?
1712084;1505151384;asciilifeform;fromloper: because chances are that you haven't read every line of the proggy that you are about to throw the privkey into
1712085;1505151394;fromloper;that's true!
1712086;1505151398;asciilifeform;if it still holds btc, theoretically boobytrapped shitcoin client can send priv to enemy
1712087;1505151402;shinohai;Leaving yer keyz exposed
1712088;1505151415;fromloper;Thanks a lot, gentlemen
1712089;1505151436;fromloper;after I'm done with this shitfest, will be geting into WoT and tinkering with a FUCKGOATS
1712090;1505151468;shinohai;Nice!
1712091;1505151488;asciilifeform;fromloper: register a key, it doesn't take long
1712092;1505151492;asciilifeform;then i will rate you
1712093;1505151499;fromloper;I've got a key - is there a FAQ?
1712094;1505151503;asciilifeform;!!help
1712095;1505151503;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1712096;1505151508;fromloper;thanks
1712097;1505151586;ben_vulpes;chimps chimping: http://archive.is/ANjIY
1712098;1505151619;asciilifeform;Patriot Prayer Movement << lol!!
1712099;1505151655;ben_vulpes;funny things about the bezos post reportolade: only outlet to report on "clashes between left and right" and not "violent leftists attack police"; also completely fail to report that the truck in question was under assault when it got in gear (hence the driver was released)
1712100;1505151740;ben_vulpes;shinohai: dibs
1712101;1505151764;shinohai;dibs?
1712102;1505151818;shinohai;If you mean for a Qntra, well you are the Portland Bureau
1712103;1505151818;fromloper;I'd like to register under a different nick - do I need to re-enter the channel to do so?
1712104;1505151834;shinohai;fromloper: just change with /nick
1712105;1505151835;asciilifeform;fromloper: aha
1712106;1505152046;rothbart;do I upload the public key here? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/
1712107;1505152052;shinohai;yes
1712108;1505152078;rothbart;and is it the KeyID, or Fingerprint?
1712109;1505152116;shinohai;No, you need to paste the entire public key
1712110;1505152119;asciilifeform;paste the pubkey
1712111;1505152136;asciilifeform;then !!register theresultingurl
1712112;1505152144;ben_vulpes;hm; seems like the rock throwing started after the truck went after some antifa
1712113;1505152300;rothbart;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JFDvy/?raw=true
1712114;1505152302;deedbot;410951F4EED9132643015A058B46D224AE9E116C registered as rothbart.
1712115;1505152327;asciilifeform;!!rate rothbart 1 new blood
1712116;1505152329;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dwVPT/?raw=true
1712117;1505152352;asciilifeform;!!v BA2C756B85B9BB6BEF9748E28C899D691E3D0D3D0A258ED4CD000D3F09C3290F
1712118;1505152353;deedbot;asciilifeform rated rothbart 1 << new blood
1712119;1505152361;asciilifeform;rothbart: you can self-voice now
1712120;1505152407;rothbart;great - do I need to decrypt a message from deedbot to verify?
1712121;1505152412;asciilifeform;correct
1712122;1505152415;asciilifeform;try it
1712123;1505152735;rothbart;I got this from deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dwVPT/?raw=true is this the message to decrypt?
1712124;1505152751;asciilifeform;aha
1712125;1505152782;asciilifeform;then you privmsg deedbot    !!v whatyougotfromthedecrypt
1712126;1505152786;asciilifeform;and it voices you.
1712127;1505153467;rothbart;ok, thanks - I'm gonna redo this on my linux box
1712128;1505153808;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6814796AE3212BD73F5B32E70E118605F34DD740C3B26CB8D0DCC63037A1871 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1272...8187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.109.28.91 (ssh-rsa key from 91.109.28.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (s322.deinprovider.de. DE)
1712129;1505153808;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6814796AE3212BD73F5B32E70E118605F34DD740C3B26CB8D0DCC63037A1871 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1328...6593 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.109.28.91 (ssh-rsa key from 91.109.28.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (s322.deinprovider.de. DE)
1712130;1505155452;ben_vulpes;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ncLrm/?raw=true
1712131;1505155452;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
1712132;1505155974;BingoBoingo;"An alarming moment came toward the end of the day when a man driving a black Chevrolet truck adorned with American flags and a Confederate flag decal" << AHAm pickup truck flag index!
1712133;1505156001;ben_vulpes;oh shit i forgot about the pickup truck flag index
1712134;1505156116;mircea_popescu;hhhola
1712135;1505156124;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1712136;1505156148;BingoBoingo;Good morning
1712137;1505156180;ben_vulpes;buenos dias
1712138;1505156210;shinohai;Rico suave
1712139;1505156298;mircea_popescu;lmao
1712140;1505156354;ben_vulpes;(c-c-c-combo breaker!)
1712141;1505156364;mircea_popescu;so in random lulz : later today im meeting this local fellow with whom im going to be making a foundation for the prosecution of the hilary foundation ; and for the unravelling of what atm seems like a scheme to steal thousandsa of children from poor costa rican mothers for sale on the us market.
1712142;1505156371;mircea_popescu;this promises to be one helluva combo breaker.
1712143;1505156377;ben_vulpes;whoa neat
1712144;1505156388;trinque;ah man, glorious.
1712145;1505156408;mircea_popescu;rumor level at the moment ; but a pregnant one
1712146;1505156409;mircea_popescu;har har
1712147;1505156421;asciilifeform;sale on the us market << lolwat..? organ market ?
1712148;1505156449;trinque;asciilifeform: where'd ya think the pederasts get their fucktoys?
1712149;1505156451;mircea_popescu;no, adoption market.
1712150;1505156460;asciilifeform;trinque: i thought they typically 'ate local'
1712151;1505156469;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: going after the clinton foundation itself?
1712152;1505156469;mircea_popescu;there's been a LARGE "party donation for child adoption" DNC scam running throughout the obama term
1712153;1505156473;mircea_popescu;started during clinton.
1712154;1505156479;mircea_popescu;with the "iron curtain" thing
1712155;1505156486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i had nfi there were a darkskin kidz adoption demand >0 in usa
1712156;1505156495;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes first, some local schmucks may be actually seeing the inside of jail.
1712157;1505156504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you have nfi about many things!
1712158;1505156506;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it's the racial cuckening in action
1712159;1505156520;ben_vulpes;"i'd rather adopt a brown kid. better for the environment."
1712160;1505156530;ben_vulpes;"plus my precious unfucked cunt will stay that way"
1712161;1505156536;mircea_popescu;he gets it!
1712162;1505156654;asciilifeform;the 'ironcurtain kidz' thing was massive and visible to naked eye, and seekreetly made sense to everybody : they were white
1712163;1505156659;mircea_popescu;yes.
1712164;1505156674;mircea_popescu;but then obama came in and some tards were all liek "oh, brown, same thing"
1712165;1505156679;mircea_popescu;turns out it ain't, and it's gonna sting.
1712166;1505156711;*;asciilifeform pictures the baby-seller in pelevin's 'SNUFF'
1712167;1505156732;mircea_popescu;nah, was run like typical pantsuit "legal proceedings" scam.
1712168;1505156746;asciilifeform;i.e. like children's crusade ?
1712169;1505156750;mircea_popescu;problem is, costa rica is roman law, not common.
1712170;1505156756;asciilifeform;'drop moneys in this funnel here, we promise we'll...'
1712171;1505156779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform get corrupt official to declare mother/conditions unfit / get other corrupt official to ship them over.
1712172;1505156799;asciilifeform;aaa
1712173;1505156830;asciilifeform;usa ( and certain other shitholes within the reich, e.g. sweden ) run an internally-recirculating version of this
1712174;1505156849;mircea_popescu;but that works in common system, "oh, aversarial proceedings, we judge the case as is". not here. here, all the officials involved get thrown in jale and THEN!!!! the ustards who took the kids, and the ones who facilitated CAN be prosecuted
1712175;1505156855;asciilifeform;where kid is confiscated from 'unfit' untermensch and exported to pantsuit orphanages
1712176;1505156859;mircea_popescu;as in the us it's now illegal to rape in a foreign jurisdiciton
1712177;1505156862;mircea_popescu;dja know that btw ?
1712178;1505156888;asciilifeform;long time nao. and 'rape' means any illicit-per-usg fornication, e.g. just about any fucking in thailand etc
1712179;1505156894;mircea_popescu;aaaaaha.
1712180;1505156897;mircea_popescu;including -- this.
1712181;1505156916;mircea_popescu;antischindler list in the making, if all goes well. but anyway, lettuce not get ahead of selves.
1712182;1505156943;asciilifeform;i dun think the ustard side gives much damn re indictments in bananistan tho
1712183;1505156953;mircea_popescu;o nononono.
1712184;1505156956;asciilifeform;can't picture they would go there
1712185;1505156960;mircea_popescu;indictments in connecticut circuit court
1712186;1505156967;mircea_popescu;for breaking the costa rican law.
1712187;1505156972;mircea_popescu;this is a thing, believe it or not!
1712188;1505156984;asciilifeform;i'd buy a ticket to watch this.
1712189;1505156987;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1712190;1505156996;mircea_popescu;well, you can all donate once it's live.
1712191;1505157558;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform tested various proggies purporting to extract utxoset. each and every one, shite. e.g. 'bitcoin-abe' works in geological speed, and promises to produce multi-TB sql turd
1712192;1505157571;asciilifeform;( on which operations will presumably take week+ each )
1712193;1505157623;mircea_popescu;uxto set is large ftr.
1712194;1505157631;asciilifeform;a whole army of folx seem to have worked very hard indeed to make this as painful as possible
1712195;1505157637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: coupla GB, if represented as naked tx
1712196;1505157642;mircea_popescu;you recall discussion re practical limit on bitcoin splittage from like 2015.
1712197;1505157650;mircea_popescu;yes.
1712198;1505157670;asciilifeform;a 1995 hdd ain't 'large' in my eyes
1712199;1505157673;asciilifeform;but admittedly subjective.
1712200;1505157718;mircea_popescu;> gb item is large yes. 700mb film is normal, 2.1 gb large.
1712201;1505157745;asciilifeform;ftr my internal heuristic is 'if it fits in main ram of my smallest boxes, it ain't large'
1712202;1505157759;asciilifeform;this is a practical consideration, if it sits down in ram, it is practical to arithmetize over.
1712203;1505157792;mircea_popescu;i can see it
1712204;1505157831;*;asciilifeform historically sweated many times to solve problem which consisted of 'make this unmanageable item manageable, i.e. ram-fitting at reasonable cost'
1712205;1505157982;asciilifeform;for this particular experiment i am only interested in the pubkeys. which i expect will - yes - sit down in the space of a '700mb warez film'...
1712206;1505157998;mircea_popescu;just barely, yes
1712207;1505158343;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i had nfi there were a darkskin kidz adoption demand >0 in usa << Popular in establishment hellholes like Amherst Massachussets. It's the sort fo thing you see in Ladue, Missouri (rich liberal scum), but not really in Town and Country, Missouri (Money from business interests)
1712208;1505158378;asciilifeform;it dun explain why they gotta be imported from bananistan tho -- wat, not enough made locally ?
1712209;1505158439;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the narcissist autist works, do you ?
1712210;1505158458;mircea_popescu;"oh, why must go to seminar on dating advertised on reddit, to find out where womenz are. NEVER STEPPED OUT OF HOUSE ?!?!?!!"
1712211;1505158463;mircea_popescu;you orc you. those don't cunt.
1712212;1505158469;mircea_popescu;what, talk to woman ?!
1712213;1505158536;asciilifeform;i always pictured those as 'learn how to GET RICH FAST' etc scam variant. 'LEARN WHERE EASY GOLD IS'
1712214;1505158547;asciilifeform;'no panning required, shoots out of the ground'
1712215;1505158714;mircea_popescu;mmm.
1712216;1505158738;mircea_popescu;they. literally. with no embelishment of rhetoric whatsoever. CAN. NOT. interact with unknowns. AT ALL. zilp ; zero ; zilch ; nada.
1712217;1505158753;mircea_popescu;you know the joke with the national woman on a deserted island with a bunch of male compatriots ?
1712218;1505158780;asciilifeform;aha
1712219;1505158791;mircea_popescu;well, i'll recount it anyway for reocrds.
1712220;1505158830;mircea_popescu;so, frenchwoman : oh, it was fabulous. during the day jean-luc anchored me with his dick up my butt and held me up while pierre fucked me standing ; while at night they switched.
1712221;1505158844;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> it dun explain why they gotta be imported from bananistan tho -- wat, not enough made locally ? << local are known quantity. Further away allows for greater imagining
1712222;1505158861;mircea_popescu;russian womahn : oh it was terrible. during the night they took turns fucking me and during the day they held soviet committee meetings to infiereze my whorishness.
1712223;1505158880;mircea_popescu;english rose : oh, what a bore. nobody knew anyone who could introduce us so we just walked around the jungle.
1712224;1505158902;mircea_popescu;THAT is what fucking amherst mass tards managed to reconstruct, it's what "average" and "well meaning" white idiot is today.
1712225;1505158925;mircea_popescu;can't simply rape and pillage, MUST have someone else do that and regurgitate the proceeds in their open craws.
1712226;1505158968;mircea_popescu;and, make no mistake, there is no choice and no other consideration in this inability. it is inability, plain and simple. much like the quadriplegic isn't moving his limbs not because "he thinks it better for the environment". fucking can not.
1712227;1505159028;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no, the opposite i say! locals are unknown ~and unknowable~. imports can be usda certified. donate 100k to dnc, get a GENUINE brown kid. you know it's genuine by the... wait for it... FALSIFYING PAPERWORK ATTENDANT!
1712228;1505159060;mircea_popescu;this is what makes cambridge degree REAL in their eyes : that it's BOTH a) evidently false and b) printed by mit.
1712229;1505159113;mircea_popescu;non-a is "threatening" aka "i don't understand what mp says!!!" ; non-b is "unreal".
1712230;1505159117;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AH, well different parts known an unknowable. Local "has a chance", this is known. He could get mega sportsball bucks, but lacks papers showing doesn't suck and may even be 3/4 white.
1712231;1505159174;mircea_popescu;more importantly, has recourse. not in any practical sense, but imagological, "your place sucks and i hate you".
1712232;1505159179;mircea_popescu;WHAT THEN!!!
1712233;1505159289;BingoBoingo;Well consider 2017 America on 1980's America "Perhaps most horrifying to modern sensibilities is that there is no talk of birth control, condoms, or a realization that a circle jerk would have sufficed."
1712234;1505159302;mircea_popescu;heh
1712235;1505159311;BingoBoingo;re:Stephen King orgy scene
1712236;1505159375;mircea_popescu;i'm not much of a fan/reader of the blind guy from mass.
1712237;1505159445;BingoBoingo;Eh, he's going through a turn as fad of the day in fake news discussions.
1712238;1505159542;mircea_popescu;i think i actually spent more time with the guy irl than reading his books, amusinglty enough
1712239;1505159550;mircea_popescu;by virture of having dinner once.
1712240;1505159615;BingoBoingo;Anyways, retailers put up Halloween two weeks ago which means last week some studio re-filmed one of his stories.
1712241;1505159621;mircea_popescu;oh right.
1712242;1505159646;mircea_popescu;do they also do what was her name for the february one, what's it called...
1712243;1505159651;BingoBoingo;So now there's all the problematizing about how halfway through the book all the kids fucked to cement a pact or something
1712244;1505159654;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck, check me out, i'm like senile over here
1712245;1505159655;mircea_popescu;brb
1712246;1505159682;mircea_popescu;so : do they also do sandra brown for valentine's day ?
1712247;1505159728;*;shinohai loves today's classic trilema header .... I mean DAT ASS!
1712248;1505159746;mircea_popescu;mmmm
1712249;1505159767;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking cool headers i amassed huh! nice deal.
1712250;1505159815;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so : do they also do sandra brown for valentine's day ? << Mebbe?
1712251;1505159827;mircea_popescu;almost like a gosplan.
1712252;1505160241;BingoBoingo;Relatit http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.811374
1712253;1505160353;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1712254;1505160364;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4191.8, vol: 11460.30700070 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4182.0, vol: 32149.81407597 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3944.898468, vol: 19232.47570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4213.1, vol: 4400.86329613 | Volume-weighted last average: 4117.89158573
1712255;1505160958;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-11#1712089 cool deal
1712256;1505160958;a111;Logged on 2017-09-11 17:37 fromloper: after I'm done with this shitfest, will be geting into WoT and tinkering with a FUCKGOATS
1712257;1505161067;asciilifeform;pretty strange, d00d regged and then... vanished
1712258;1505161080;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-11#1712099 << the disadvantage of being nazi state mouthpiece is you end up the jewish "owner" of der sturmer.
1712259;1505161080;a111;Logged on 2017-09-11 17:40 ben_vulpes: funny things about the bezos post reportolade: only outlet to report on "clashes between left and right" and not "violent leftists attack police"; also completely fail to report that the truck in question was under assault when it got in gear (hence the driver was released)
1712260;1505161090;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what is to vanish here ?
1712261;1505161124;asciilifeform;was speaking of the fromloper/rothbart one
1712262;1505161174;mircea_popescu;yes. just happen yest
1712263;1505161379;mircea_popescu;and in other hatefacts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/720a92f3d847982bae62049e2db8a30e/tumblr_mh343fLjtp1r21xm5o1_1280.jpg
1712264;1505161918;mircea_popescu;* pete_dushenski is now known as Guest66666 >> heh
1712265;1505162088;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/129671/4-television-productions-that-show-how-british-media-is-blackwashing-history << Anyone in Airstrip 1 to confirm?
1712266;1505162153;mircea_popescu;what's residence needed for ? ~nothing made in english since 2001 has any basis in sanity, it's 100% the pantsuit lulz.
1712267;1505162167;mircea_popescu;imaginary women, imaginary relations of power, imagined nonsense.
1712268;1505162304;BingoBoingo;Residence is needed for the "OMG still resident" factor
1712269;1505162312;mircea_popescu;lol
1712270;1505162554;mircea_popescu;take stephen fry as a fine example. cancerous fag has been doing anti-reality nonsense since the 80s
1712271;1505162565;mircea_popescu;recall that bit where he and laurie "don't understand" how privatization works ?
1712272;1505162614;mircea_popescu;and i mean basic shit, "oh, if you have shares in the crown thaty'll be quite enough". really bitch, i get shit for free at walmart for owning walmart stock, that's what it is ?!
1712273;1505162701;BingoBoingo;lol
1712274;1505162727;mircea_popescu;"oh, he's funny". no, he's not funny. "but he's so scholarly" right, and if i went to nigeria i'd be so godly.
1712275;1505162780;mircea_popescu;"but he's a close friend of the royals!!!" right.
1712276;1505162828;BingoBoingo;Some people's cocaine is direly deficient in acephate
1712277;1505162856;mircea_popescu;some people are just direly deficient.
1712278;1505162912;BingoBoingo;Google's answer to "Is Acephate Toxic" >> "It is considered non-phytotoxic on many crop plants. Acephate and its primary metabolite, methamidophos, are toxic to Heliothis spp. that are considered resistant to other organophosphate insecticides. Acephate emits toxic fumes of various oxides of phosphorus, nitrogen, and sulfur when heated to decomposition."
1712279;1505162936;BingoBoingo;OMG Google doesn't care about (black) people!
1712280;1505162997;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: what's the connection between acephate and black people?
1712281;1505163064;BingoBoingo;Back people work in southern states and love using "Surrender" (TM)(R) granules labeled for outdoor fire and mound control... indoors and generally everywhere.
1712282;1505163108;BingoBoingo;And they'll bring it to their relatives in northern states who will also use that shit indoors
1712283;1505163186;BingoBoingo;And they'll insist "This shit works great on roaches"
1712284;1505163241;BingoBoingo;And then you write off entire classes of residential structure as habitable when enough people have asked to establish a trend...
1712285;1505163280;*;mircea_popescu prefers geckos
1712286;1505163354;BingoBoingo;But your habitation is clean enough for geckos
1712287;1505163390;mircea_popescu;yest a frog, a pretty tiny tree guy, climed all the way up to the top level terrace thing, 10 meters. was sitting on a (wooden) chair going  "sup ?"
1712288;1505163532;BingoBoingo;Sweet, one of those neon colored guys?
1712289;1505163587;mircea_popescu;very shiny green
1712290;1505163613;mircea_popescu;there's also a deep red one, but i've not yet seen it.
1712291;1505163632;BingoBoingo;Awesome
1712292;1505163681;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/another-trezor-hardware-wallet-default-flaw-trezord-exe-phones-home/ << Qntra - Another Trezor "Hardware Wallet" Default Flaw: Trezord.exe Phones Home
1712293;1505163688;mircea_popescu;lol
1712294;1505163695;mircea_popescu;"flaw" eh
1712295;1505163876;asciilifeform;for the LUVV OF gAwD, MONTREZOR!111
1712296;1505163906;mircea_popescu;i like how they add "d" to things know.
1712297;1505163911;mircea_popescu;IT IS MORE SCIENTIFICd!
1712298;1505163925;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can haz sores of the noose plz ?
1712299;1505163956;asciilifeform;and can somebody say why the thing even needed driver ?
1712300;1505163960;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Some post linking to their github
1712301;1505163961;mircea_popescu;lol
1712302;1505163983;mircea_popescu;what do you mean why it needed a driver! IT IS MORE SERIOUS BUSINESS WITH DRIVER!
1712303;1505163999;asciilifeform;lolyes
1712304;1505164006;asciilifeform;recall the catv folx or who was it.
1712305;1505164015;mircea_popescu;dis alf, he dun understand anythings.
1712306;1505164016;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/GVwO2
1712307;1505164070;asciilifeform;static const auto https_cert_uri = "https://wallet.trezor.io/data/bridge/cert/localback.crt";
1712308;1505164070;asciilifeform;static const auto https_privkey_uri = "https://wallet.trezor.io/data/bridge/cert/localback.key";
1712309;1505164086;asciilifeform;cert_data = http_client::request_uri_to_string(https_cert_uri);
1712310;1505164086;asciilifeform;privkey_data = http_client::request_uri_to_string(https_privkey_uri);
1712311;1505164088;asciilifeform;pretty great.
1712312;1505164119;BingoBoingo;Updated, this is in all their versions
1712313;1505164119;mircea_popescu;im sure it was an accident that didn't happen and doesn't mean anything.
1712314;1505164127;mircea_popescu;CERTAINLY not anything like "hey, they told you this in 2014"
1712315;1505164199;BingoBoingo;But 2014 is like the 1960's of Bitcoin. Ancient history!!!
1712316;1505164258;asciilifeform;i can't seem to find a time when the thing wasn't a screaming joke, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-29#815106 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-22#1282100 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-27#1354322
1712317;1505164258;a111;Logged on 2014-08-29 19:26 asciilifeform: from the published circuit, it seems to be asking for it.
1712318;1505164258;a111;Logged on 2015-09-22 03:01 asciilifeform: speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack.
1712319;1505164258;a111;Logged on 2015-12-27 16:07 jurov: https://jochen-hoenicke.de/trezor-power-analysis/ as predicted by alf
1712320;1505164270;mircea_popescu;aha
1712321;1505164280;asciilifeform;but, interestingly, a seemingly indestructible lulzcow
1712322;1505164289;asciilifeform;( from lack of alternatives ? from gavin endorsements ? wai? )
1712323;1505164293;mircea_popescu;yes. because they just want the facts see
1712324;1505164297;mircea_popescu;THEY WILL MAKE OWN DECISIONS
1712325;1505164346;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from lack of information ; or a thing to process it with.
1712326;1505164359;mircea_popescu;why did the gringo tards sit with me at casino table, not notice THEY are losing ?
1712327;1505164360;asciilifeform;i would ask 'what's to keep some unrelated d00d from making walletrons that simply talk over rs232..' but then remembered that it is probably same thing that keeps'em from making rng where ditto despite how OMFG WE PUBLISHED DESIGN
1712328;1505164380;mircea_popescu;they cnat raed
1712329;1505164392;asciilifeform;cnat read just fine when it's gavin talkin'
1712330;1505164396;mircea_popescu;besides, st. clinton promised them they won't have to.
1712331;1505164413;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope. just, when gavin's talking it's impossible to tyell if they read or underlined.
1712332;1505164433;mircea_popescu;whole definition of being a gavin is above. "speak so nobody can tell if the "audience" listens or not"\
1712333;1505164457;mircea_popescu;life experience based degrees too!
1712334;1505164730;asciilifeform;https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/master/firmware/signing.c << lollamatic, support for segshitness etc
1712335;1505164774;asciilifeform;hey dontcha lust to buy gadget for producing signatures so you can THEN THROW THEM AWAY lol
1712336;1505164811;asciilifeform;oh hey and built-in support for ethertardium, 1000+loc's worth
1712337;1505164818;mircea_popescu;sure.
1712338;1505164833;mircea_popescu;locs are free!!1
1712339;1505166286;BingoBoingo;lols just wanna be free http://www.thedebrief.co.uk/news/politics/the-israeli-prime-minister-s-son-s-relationship-has-got-political-because-he-s-got-a-non-jewish-girlfriend-2014026042
1712340;1505166306;BingoBoingo;"University relationships sometimes never last longer than university, but that hasn’t stopped the hook-up between the son of Israeli PM Yair Netanyahu, 23, and his fellow student Norwegian Sandra Leikanger, 25, stirring up all sorts of political dissent. Because she’s not Jewish.  "
1712341;1505167020;BingoBoingo;"Also note that the service employees union is providing logistical support." >> http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8881 http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8885
1712342;1505168718;asciilifeform;!#s elaineou.com
1712343;1505168719;a111;1 result for "elaineou.com", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=elaineou.com
1712344;1505168744;asciilifeform;^ lulzy and not wholly uninteresting www
1712345;1505169166;asciilifeform;e.g. https://elaineou.com/2017/08/17/hate-music
1712346;1505169531;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And solar shade hokum https://elaineou.com/2017/08/27/how-to-monopolize-solar-energy-and-take-over-the-world/
1712347;1505175456;mod6;evenin'
1712348;1505175461;asciilifeform;ohai mod6
1712349;1505175617;mod6;how goes?
1712350;1505175699;asciilifeform;experimenting...
1712351;1505175708;mod6;nice
1712352;1505175713;*;mod6 reads l0g
1712353;1505175890;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> But 2014 is like the 1960's of Bitcoin. Ancient history!!! << seems like yesterday
1712354;1505177255;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711925 << how do you type * without hitting the shift key?
1712355;1505177255;a111;Logged on 2017-09-10 20:12 asciilifeform: we're talking about simple ops, i should not have to touch fucking shift key
1712356;1505177266;asciilifeform;PeterL: numpad
1712357;1505177296;PeterL;somehow I didn't even think of that, I never use the numpad *!
1712358;1505177299;asciilifeform;lol
1712359;1505177324;PeterL;plus, it is waaaay over there, isn't it easier to just hit shift-8 ?
1712360;1505177378;shinohai;I mean, it's just a few inches to the right - not a trip to Saturn.
1712361;1505177385;PeterL;now I am wondering, what else does my keyboard have that I never use because I don't even notice it?
1712362;1505177436;PeterL;hmm, here's another key I never use, what does "Caps Lock" even do?
1712363;1505177444;asciilifeform;now that one i dun have.
1712364;1505177449;asciilifeform;nor want.
1712365;1505177622;asciilifeform;shinohai: the comp is a machine that MUST ADAPT TO THE MAN, rather than the man to the comp. which is why it is infuriating idiocy , when an op that is done 9000 time daily ( say parens ) lives behind a metakey, while microshitian idiocies like 'printscreen' get own key
1712366;1505177635;asciilifeform;i do not tolerate this in my house, and cannot picture why anybody else does.
1712367;1505178071;PeterL;I suppose people who are not programmers do not use ( or ) much, but does anybody actually use [ and ] any more often?
1712368;1505178220;PeterL;the other option is to think more, type less, and then it does not matter so much where any particular key is
1712369;1505178242;asciilifeform;PeterL: ready to have yer keyboard confiscated and replaced with telegraph key ?
1712370;1505178247;asciilifeform;PeterL: if not, why not ?
1712371;1505178259;asciilifeform;why not carry the 'think more, type less' thing to logical conclusion.
1712372;1505178265;PeterL;or, to take that to extremes, modern man is just a consumer of social media, does not need to type anything, just poke touchscreen and moo
1712373;1505178296;asciilifeform;believe or not , i have one of even those , too
1712374;1505178316;asciilifeform;i even have comps with no input mechanism at all!111
1712375;1505183901;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712365 << reflects poorly on the world in which we live that there isn't a bespoke keyboard-maker.
1712376;1505183901;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 00:53 asciilifeform: shinohai: the comp is a machine that MUST ADAPT TO THE MAN, rather than the man to the comp. which is why it is infuriating idiocy , when an op that is done 9000 time daily ( say parens ) lives behind a metakey, while microshitian idiocies like 'printscreen' get own key
1712377;1505184181;kanzure;i would also like to register a complaint about lack of n-key rollover and also another complaint about keyboard keypress registration latency, thanks
1712378;1505184507;BingoBoingo;mod6: Seriously
1712379;1505185953;asciilifeform;i solved this by doing the model-f thing.
1712380;1505185966;asciilifeform;but -- noshit -- this dun scale.
1712381;1505186569;*;trinque has keyboard remapped to hell, but would be nice to design the thing around the designated key functions.
1712382;1505186613;asciilifeform;trinque: nothing beats modelf + the custom controller imho
1712383;1505186692;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661475 << thread
1712384;1505186692;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 03:21 mod6: which ones does alf like?
1712385;1505186728;asciilifeform;( don't be confused by the external resemblance to 'terminal model-m'. mechanics entirely different. no rivets, for one thing. )
1712386;1505186771;asciilifeform;phunk phakt : 'f' cost ~2k 1980 usd.
1712387;1505186794;trinque;hm yeah, I've only ever clacked on an M.
1712388;1505186815;asciilifeform;i muchly prefer the 'f' -- no membrane dome anywhere inside of it, unlike 'm'
1712389;1505186827;asciilifeform;and has a couple of kg of iron.
1712390;1505187027;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540430 << earlier thread re subj
1712391;1505187027;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 17:47 asciilifeform: phf: the hard part is to actually get a hold of a 'model f'.
1712392;1505187154;asciilifeform;trinque et al : i often wonder how many people would be prepared to pay what 'bespoke kbd' costs.
1712393;1505187189;trinque;I'd pay a grand, why not. paid more than that for shittier items.
1712394;1505187193;asciilifeform;( not much reason to expect that it would cost substantially less than, e.g., bespoke bicycle costs. )
1712395;1505187201;asciilifeform;grand will buy you shite.
1712396;1505187236;trinque;but kanzure's calitards can splice wings into my ass on a UBI budget
1712397;1505187239;trinque;and in a garage!
1712398;1505187296;trinque;anyhow I'd accept the bespokenness of key labels as a start
1712399;1505187311;asciilifeform;even this is trickier than first appears
1712400;1505187320;asciilifeform;if you, as i do, insist on inset-casting
1712401;1505187350;asciilifeform;( the item where the lettering NEVER wears out, because it is simply the inner layer of the key is black and protrudes just-so )
1712402;1505187387;asciilifeform;ever see a post-1990s kbd that was in use for coupla yrs, the lettering wore off. this dun happen on proper keys.
1712403;1505187392;kanzure;i never promised as much
1712404;1505187441;kanzure;asciilifeform: give me a system that can do better high-fidelity human data output than a 300 wpm keyboard please.
1712405;1505187463;asciilifeform;kanzure: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861 << here ya go
1712406;1505187475;asciilifeform;prolly 500+ with skilled operator.
1712407;1505187485;kanzure;the twiddler thing?
1712408;1505187504;asciilifeform;well a hypothetical 10-finger variant thereof, could
1712409;1505187523;asciilifeform;( w/ up-down-neutral pos. for switches. )
1712410;1505187528;kanzure;also i would like a full key se without extensive modkeys
1712411;1505187534;kanzure;*key set
1712412;1505187595;asciilifeform;that'd look like e.g. my model-f.
1712413;1505187611;asciilifeform;and 'slow' because fingers must after all move laterally
1712414;1505187624;asciilifeform;( i dun need 300 or even 200 'wpm' for anything, so it dunbotherme)
1712415;1505187634;kanzure;lateral movement isn't so bad, sean wrona does that all the time
1712416;1505187642;asciilifeform;whossat
1712417;1505187657;kanzure;fastest gun in the west
1712418;1505187698;kanzure;his techique is sort of bizarre and probably caused by brain damage, where he types same words using different fingering each time, and also lots of hovering
1712419;1505187741;asciilifeform;that sounds quite like what i do, lol
1712420;1505187758;asciilifeform;( minus the hover, wtf , why wouldja )
1712421;1505187789;kanzure;for the 'lulz' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GDusA21cEA
1712422;1505187854;asciilifeform;if you actually NEED 100s-of-wpm for something, as opposed to pissing contests in arena, dwelling on anything other than a bespoke (for YOUR hands) chorder, is lunacy.
1712423;1505187891;kanzure;really the only purpose of high wpm that i have figured out is winning irc flame wars
1712424;1505188035;asciilifeform;way i see it, cleverly made kbd is really for minimizing flow disruption
1712425;1505188051;asciilifeform;rather than naked 'how many buttons can i press per second'
1712426;1505188128;asciilifeform;WITHOUT EXCEPTION all currently made input periphs are shite. especially, egregiously, the pedals -- i've thrown away 3 or 4 nao
1712427;1505188137;asciilifeform;not a single one permitted RESTING the foot
1712428;1505188149;asciilifeform;infuriating rubbish, made by wreckers.
1712429;1505191296;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712371 << hey, i have :D
1712430;1505191296;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 01:04 asciilifeform: why not carry the 'think more, type less' thing to logical conclusion.
1712431;1505191309;mircea_popescu;all the foregoing text was knocked in morse!
1712432;1505197226;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712377 << if keypress latency is a problem, odds are your os is shit. i generally throw out boxes that do it
1712433;1505197226;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 02:43 kanzure: i would also like to register a complaint about lack of n-key rollover and also another complaint about keyboard keypress registration latency, thanks
1712434;1505197322;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712394 << easier to make a kbd than to make a suit. "bespoke bicycle", outside of say zagreb, is entirely "organic" scam item.
1712435;1505197322;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 03:33 asciilifeform: ( not much reason to expect that it would cost substantially less than, e.g., bespoke bicycle costs. )
1712436;1505197338;mircea_popescu;ie, priced so you feel good about how much you spent.
1712437;1505197515;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712422 << maybe time to consider theremin! see BingoBoingo 's typist cat!
1712438;1505197515;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 03:44 asciilifeform: if you actually NEED 100s-of-wpm for something, as opposed to pissing contests in arena, dwelling on anything other than a bespoke (for YOUR hands) chorder, is lunacy.
1712439;1505197705;trinque;asciilifeform: any reason not to define VERSION in knobs.h ?
1712440;1505197793;*;trinque writing standalone tools for key->addr doodling, and eventually txn manip., had to define VERSION at the top of each.
1712441;1505198995;mircea_popescu;!!key bloofinch
1712442;1505198996;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/CE98543599CCDABD532A5C7E8805E88288596862.asc
1712443;1505199854;BingoBoingo;!!key bloodfinch
1712444;1505199855;deedbot;Not registered.
1712445;1505199863;BingoBoingo;^ would have been cooler bird
1712446;1505202571;mircea_popescu;lmao
1712447;1505202656;mircea_popescu;oops
1712448;1505205157;*;mircea_popescu aspires to one day meet a chick by the name o' shennaniganne o'sheridan.
1712449;1505222495;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712434 << this is hilariously, riotously wrong, btw. doyahave anyfuckingidea what is involved in making a DECENT ( i.e. injection-molded parts ) kbd ?
1712450;1505222495;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 06:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712394 << easier to make a kbd than to make a suit. "bespoke bicycle", outside of say zagreb, is entirely "organic" scam item.
1712451;1505222510;asciilifeform;in qty of ONE ?
1712452;1505222533;mircea_popescu;eh, qty of one. "omfg, do you know what it means to make a planet on which snakes might evolve so as to have material FOR BUTTONS?!?!?!"
1712453;1505222546;mircea_popescu;gimme a break. the letter A isn't your invention.
1712454;1505222549;asciilifeform;thread was about bespoke kbd
1712455;1505222552;asciilifeform;not microshit.
1712456;1505222559;mircea_popescu;"bespoke" does not mean alfinsane.
1712457;1505222620;asciilifeform;let's forget model-f pistons and flappers. which aren't made today, and can only be made with injection mold. take, at the very minimum, that you decide how many keys, and where they go.
1712458;1505222633;asciilifeform;this means that the chassis is custom. out of what do you propose to make it ?
1712459;1505222635;mircea_popescu;they still use commodity fabric, furnishings etc. they just tailor it to your ass is all.
1712460;1505222794;asciilifeform;would mircea_popescu accept 'bespoke' suit that in ANY way (aside from cost) falls short of mass-produced liquishit plebesuit ?
1712461;1505222810;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that doesn't enter into it.
1712462;1505222815;asciilifeform;because why
1712463;1505222819;asciilifeform;because arbitrarily decided ?
1712464;1505222819;mircea_popescu;because it's not a relative.
1712465;1505222833;mircea_popescu;"bespoke" does not mean "very nice and good".
1712466;1505222851;asciilifeform;it means 'exactly as i want, with the mass-produced plebeshit as minimal bar'
1712467;1505222862;mircea_popescu;that's nonsense.
1712468;1505222870;mircea_popescu;either the first part, or the second part. you can't mix these.
1712469;1505222881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would buy rollsroyce with bespoke cabin and soviet-quality engine ?
1712470;1505222904;mircea_popescu;if "mass-produced plebeshit as minimal bar" is your criterion, then it definitionally is not bespoke. because it's not compared to you, it's compared to the mass.
1712471;1505222911;mircea_popescu;so it might be "consumer premium" or whatever.
1712472;1505222920;asciilifeform;i did say 'mimimum'
1712473;1505222923;asciilifeform;*minimum
1712474;1505222934;mircea_popescu;whatever flavour of weasel you mix in.
1712475;1505222974;asciilifeform;no amount of sophistry will justify a bespoke rollsroyce with soviet pistons, or a bespoke kbd where letters wear off .
1712476;1505222982;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
1712477;1505223083;mircea_popescu;there's a substantial difference between "i don't like this" and "this doesn't compare favourably to rando coworker's item". these two can never mix. this isn't sophistry, but plain sense.
1712478;1505223126;asciilifeform;plox to concretize : when mircea_popescu goes to get a suit made, what kind of fabric does he specify ?
1712479;1505223137;mircea_popescu;depends.
1712480;1505223145;mircea_popescu;but i've yet to have a special textile plant made for it.
1712481;1505223156;asciilifeform;you would if you wanted a top hat!11
1712482;1505223167;mircea_popescu;if i wanted it bad enough i guess.
1712483;1505223182;asciilifeform;in thread, 'model f' is approx. a top hat.
1712484;1505223204;mircea_popescu;but this has nothing to do with the bespokeness.
1712485;1505223246;asciilifeform;the item directly to do with bespokeness is the difficulty of shaping heterogeneous solid objects with 0.01% accuracy.
1712486;1505223250;asciilifeform;i.e. the keys.
1712487;1505223259;mircea_popescu;ie, when at the height of soviet obamacare you broke your leg and your mother made you an ad-hoc wooden contraption to fix it, she DID in fact bespoke you a traction, even if it sucked so bad as to compare negatively to african healthcare.
1712488;1505223300;asciilifeform;the only known satisfactory method is called double-shot injection molding, where the letter is cast ( yes, physical shape, e.g letter A ) and then key is cast ~around~ it
1712489;1505223302;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that difficulty is in no way particular. keys are commodity items.
1712490;1505223323;mircea_popescu;unless you're getting your fingers measured for the key size or some shit.
1712491;1505223346;asciilifeform;if i want custom lettering -- not commodity
1712492;1505223359;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1712493;1505223406;asciilifeform;is what thread was about. ( and that is at the minimal, in my case i also want to fit existing pistons , and req'd luft is no larger than what is permitted in rifle barrel )
1712494;1505223448;mircea_popescu;you want your keyboard to have special letters on it ?
1712495;1505223512;asciilifeform;hypothetically ( actually trinque was the one who asked , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712398 )
1712496;1505223512;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 03:34 trinque: anyhow I'd accept the bespokenness of key labels as a start
1712497;1505223518;mircea_popescu;seems hardly worth the hassle. but anyway.
1712498;1505223531;asciilifeform;in my case i would even be content without letters, but simply to control the number and ~placement~ of keys.
1712499;1505223547;asciilifeform;which is the only thing that could not be done with massaged 'model f'
1712500;1505223568;asciilifeform;( lettering, to an adult man, on a kbd -- is optional. how often do you look ? )
1712501;1505223571;mircea_popescu;this is a very difficult problem, arbitrarily placed keys.
1712502;1505223577;asciilifeform;correct.
1712503;1505223584;asciilifeform;requires custom solid objects.
1712504;1505223590;asciilifeform;( and not merely pcb )
1712505;1505223606;mircea_popescu;with good wear characteristics, andthen the item wants to retail for 20 bux.
1712506;1505223607;asciilifeform;if it only needed pcb, everybody would just call up favourite pcb fab and then stfu
1712507;1505223612;mircea_popescu;nightmare of a problem. what else you got ?
1712508;1505223629;asciilifeform;milled stainless prolly would not retail for anywhere south of 2000
1712509;1505223647;*;asciilifeform seriously considered getting one done
1712510;1505223662;mircea_popescu;what you need is one of those 50yo slave guys who spend life making chain mail and surgical steel stilleto heels.
1712511;1505223670;mircea_popescu;there's like... i dunno, 8 total alive or somesuch.
1712512;1505223678;asciilifeform;i dun think they do 6axis cnc
1712513;1505223685;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1712514;1505223693;asciilifeform;unsportsmanlike!11
1712515;1505223707;mircea_popescu;it's not a sport. it's you know, service. worship.
1712516;1505223746;asciilifeform;possibly i am unfamiliar with subj
1712517;1505223769;mircea_popescu;(note that all key arrangements, from atms to dishwashers, are in a rectangular pattern ; and i expect alf wants them radial or something)
1712518;1505223795;asciilifeform;dunno about yours, but mine are staggered
1712519;1505223816;mircea_popescu;sure.
1712520;1505223818;asciilifeform;( subj : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661482 )
1712521;1505223818;a111;Logged on 2017-05-25 03:24 asciilifeform: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/IBM_Model_F_122.png << subj
1712522;1505223878;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suppose i'm the only one that doesn't actually care all that much.
1712523;1505223900;asciilifeform;nah i know a buncha folx who dun care at all. they work with... pens
1712524;1505223938;mircea_popescu;yes, but in point of fact i write as much or more as anyone, on a kbd.
1712525;1505223983;asciilifeform;for humanlang textentry, even a very threadbare kbd is notbad
1712526;1505223994;asciilifeform;( supposing you aren't doing it allday, everyday )
1712527;1505224080;mircea_popescu;hey, i even put in pipe now and again
1712528;1505224103;mircea_popescu;anyway. off to bed, this has been too much. laters!
1712529;1505224140;asciilifeform;nighty
1712530;1505224514;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712440 << so move it, lol
1712531;1505224514;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 06:29 trinque writing standalone tools for key->addr doodling, and eventually txn manip., had to define VERSION at the top of each.
1712532;1505224530;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712439 << looks like open-and-shut case
1712533;1505224530;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 06:28 trinque: asciilifeform: any reason not to define VERSION in knobs.h ?
1712534;1505238099;trinque;seemed so, cool.
1712535;1505238420;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/us-debt-ceiling-adds-zeros-ensures-future-heroes/ << Qntra - US Debt Ceiling Adds Zeros, Ensures Future Heroes
1712536;1505238434;asciilifeform;in other non-noose, asciilifeform still searching for a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696834 .
1712537;1505238434;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 19:45 asciilifeform: forn00bz: an, e.g., rsa modexp, in ffa, must be representable by a long roll of paper, on it are ops for ordinary 4function calculator, with very patient slave. and roll ONLY ROLLS FORWARD and has finite # of instructions on it, known in advance when you decide the ffa width.
1712538;1505238576;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform seriously considered getting one done << Eh, go porcelain. Make and fire just like tile. Turk up your keys!
1712539;1505238683;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: porcelain dun do 100million bangbangs
1712540;1505238717;asciilifeform;not even sintered ceramics, a la what my lathe cuts with, like shocks
1712541;1505238762;asciilifeform;if you wouldn't make a hammer handle out of it -- it makes for poor kbd material.
1712542;1505238770;BingoBoingo;What are you banging it into that it can't be keycap on top of fiber cement subcap? (i.e. like a floor)
1712543;1505238786;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: itself
1712544;1505238824;asciilifeform;understand, i dun use 'squishies', if every key dun sound like a kalash dryfiring, it ain't a keyboard
1712545;1505238909;BingoBoingo;Even then, rest of switch mechanism doesn't have to be ceramic. Just the keycaps. Solves problem of letter wear. Everything else can be buttjection molded whatever, as long as it is soft enough to not piss of keys.
1712546;1505238961;asciilifeform;shock propagates
1712547;1505238979;asciilifeform;( and if you make it not propagate - you automagically get a thing that I WILL NOT USE because it ain't propagating to my fingertips )
1712548;1505238983;asciilifeform;what part of this is hard to understand.
1712549;1505239077;BingoBoingo;Fine, vulcanized rubber keycaps it is
1712550;1505239084;asciilifeform;ew
1712551;1505239112;*;asciilifeform actually owns a vulcanized rubber kbd, it is in machine shop
1712552;1505239136;BingoBoingo;Tattoo black letter into white rubber, replace ever 25k kilometers
1712553;1505239155;asciilifeform;lol
1712554;1505239276;BingoBoingo;Can make new key caps in actual jungle.
1712555;1505239310;BingoBoingo;Now that this is decided, refocus to rest of the thing
1712556;1505239961;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: could etch the letters in; carve them out with a cnc mill. 'tis not the end of the world.
1712557;1505239973;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i dun want to FEEL THE LETTERS OMFG
1712558;1505239978;asciilifeform;surfaces are to be smooth.
1712559;1505239989;ben_vulpes;so etch lightly!
1712560;1505239993;asciilifeform;then wear.
1712561;1505240016;ben_vulpes;ooh could mask and anodize
1712562;1505240022;asciilifeform;wears.
1712563;1505240052;asciilifeform;understand, right here i have almost 40 y.o. keycaps that looks EXACTLY as when new.
1712564;1505240060;asciilifeform;this is a minimal bar.
1712565;1505240081;asciilifeform;there is to be no slip of the ratchet, no 'doctor cured your ear, but poked out an eye'
1712566;1505240088;ben_vulpes;what was the method for making these?
1712567;1505240096;asciilifeform;doubleshot injection molding
1712568;1505240100;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it's all dead. we live in the ashes.
1712569;1505240120;asciilifeform;http://www.yomura.com.tw/double-injection.html << illustration.
1712570;1505240128;ben_vulpes;release your attachment to the perfect devices of years past, it but causes you suffering
1712571;1505240172;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-12#202821 << my favorites, just like engines! proper engine should be house-sized thing; run in steady state or not at all.
1712572;1505240172;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-09-12 01:00 asciilifeform: i even have comps with no input mechanism at all!111
1712573;1505240205;asciilifeform;how about no.
1712574;1505240213;asciilifeform;and i ain't eating 'american cheese' either.
1712575;1505240245;ben_vulpes;every man in teh failed states of americastan gotta pick which things to salvage from the midden to cobble a life together from.
1712576;1505240246;asciilifeform;i spend 14+hrs/day with the thing in my hands, and it makes a difference.
1712577;1505240325;asciilifeform;would you eat from trough made for a pig ? that's what using plebekbd feels like.
1712578;1505240334;asciilifeform;it is a deliberately crafted insult to actual people.
1712579;1505240369;ben_vulpes;i eat from tin pans i salvage from the midden, just like you.
1712580;1505240391;asciilifeform;speaking of which, and before it gets lost upstack, i still dun have a modular mult
1712581;1505240398;asciilifeform;this is in fact the only item holding up release of 'p'.
1712582;1505240413;asciilifeform;if ben_vulpes et al want to try their hand , i'll read
1712583;1505240429;ben_vulpes;i am very behind on adaquest
1712584;1505240437;asciilifeform;forget for a moment ada
1712585;1505240441;asciilifeform;it's a mathematical problem purely
1712586;1505240519;ben_vulpes;also behind on ffaquest
1712587;1505240538;asciilifeform;again you don't need to state it in compilable ada
1712588;1505240613;asciilifeform;you have the following primitives : multiplier ( 2 N-bit numbers -> 1 2N-bit number ); adder ( ditto ); subtractor ( ditto ); muxer ( 2 N-bit numbers, 1 single-bit number, yields one or the other N-bit depending on that single bit ) ; logical ops (and/or/xor/not)
1712589;1505240615;asciilifeform;that's it
1712590;1505240637;asciilifeform;there is also division but it is RUINOUSLY expensive
1712591;1505240715;asciilifeform;goal is, state a modular multiplier , takes A, B, N, (each is a B-bit number) and yields a B-bit result R, where R = a*b mod N .
1712592;1505240803;asciilifeform;( the rsa operation, the one and only, is modular exponentiation. but it is made trivially from modular multiplication . )
1712593;1505240883;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/far-left-media-covers-for-violent-even-further-left-ists-assault-on-landscaping-vehicle/ << Qntra - Far Left Media Covers for Violent Even-Further-Left-ists Assault on Landscaping Vehicle
1712594;1505240938;ben_vulpes;ty BingoBoingo
1712595;1505240939;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA87978CF6FFCF25718681CFA15297476FC99BCEF0F5FB9DE3EAA5DC3326D5DA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1768...8957 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.209.12.243 (ssh-rsa key from 81.209.12.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (da243.netikka.fi. FI 12)
1712596;1505240939;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA87978CF6FFCF25718681CFA15297476FC99BCEF0F5FB9DE3EAA5DC3326D5DA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1776...0149 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.209.12.243 (ssh-rsa key from 81.209.12.243 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (da243.netikka.fi. FI 12)
1712597;1505241064;asciilifeform;i forgot to mention bit-shifts , but these are obviously also available.
1712598;1505241096;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/preet-reduced-to-panhandling-disc-jockey-again-demonstrating-costs-of-opposing-republic/ << Qntra - Preet Reduced To Panhandling Disc Jockey, Again Demonstrating Costs Of Opposing Republic
1712599;1505243734;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://elaineou.com/2017/09/11/fiat-institutions-in-virtual-worlds/
1712600;1505243847;asciilifeform;oyeah notbad, i spent coulplea hrs reading her pieces
1712601;1505243859;asciilifeform;why isn't she here, again
1712602;1505243923;mircea_popescu;"Elaine Ou is a blockchain engineer at Global Financial Access, a financial technology company in San Francisco."
1712603;1505243929;mircea_popescu;conceivably, scheduling conflicts ?
1712604;1505243932;asciilifeform;lol possiblywhy.
1712605;1505243964;mircea_popescu;but anyway, afaik retired academia, stanford whatever.
1712606;1505244082;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712538 << this is not a bad point, showing a fine understanding of the history of huma nthought. fabrication of wear resistant small pieces went through a century old porcelain phase yes.
1712607;1505244082;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 17:49 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform seriously considered getting one done << Eh, go porcelain. Make and fire just like tile. Turk up your keys!
1712608;1505244104;mircea_popescu;possibly not a good fit for kbd depending on how hard you hit.
1712609;1505244115;asciilifeform;discussed in thread
1712610;1505244152;mircea_popescu;yes but your discussion is weak. porcelain is harder than you understand.
1712611;1505244159;asciilifeform;very very hard
1712612;1505244162;asciilifeform;that ain't the problem
1712613;1505244164;asciilifeform;problem is brittle.
1712614;1505244170;mircea_popescu;not as brittle as steel.
1712615;1505244176;asciilifeform;mno.
1712616;1505244198;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu posting from frozen wastes of pluto, where steel is brittle
1712617;1505244218;mircea_popescu;every material is to a degree brittle much like every material is to a degree warm.
1712618;1505244231;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: under what conditions is steel more brittle than ceramic?
1712619;1505244232;mircea_popescu;problem with porcelain is weak internal bonding, not brittleness.
1712620;1505244233;asciilifeform;well yes, 'brittle' is shorthand for 'too brittle'
1712621;1505244248;mircea_popescu;intuitively it may seem "oh, it's brittle", because whatever, dropped mom's china. but this intuition is wrong.
1712622;1505244252;asciilifeform;but i do wonder if this could be dealt with by mixing in steel wool or fibre or similar
1712623;1505244263;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes under equal conditions!
1712624;1505244283;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's how it's dealt with, yes. improved mix, it's not straight up enammeled clay eh.
1712625;1505244285;asciilifeform;( a la ferrocement )
1712626;1505244306;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes understand, MOST historical porcelain ever made survived. this is very not true of steel, which ~all broke.
1712627;1505244325;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: oxidization plays a role in the loss of steel
1712628;1505244327;asciilifeform;not 'fair fight', iron rusts
1712629;1505244328;asciilifeform;^
1712630;1505244331;mircea_popescu;HA!
1712631;1505244335;mircea_popescu;very fair.
1712632;1505244343;ben_vulpes;see the recent discovery of cavalier swords at hadrians wall
1712633;1505244358;ben_vulpes;buried under concrete, anaerobic environment, nearly everything survived
1712634;1505244374;mircea_popescu;understand : if you spent your million dollars to buy knight's sword, it came with a "will not make it 20 years" guarantee. if spent same million dollars to buy china set, it came with "forever as long as your family line shall be" guarantee.
1712635;1505244376;mircea_popescu;very opposite items.
1712636;1505244392;asciilifeform;forever << or until you ding it
1712637;1505244398;mircea_popescu;(million dollars is perhaps not enough to buy either, but let's pretend fiatola has some modicum of value)
1712638;1505244412;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform both items used in the intended manner. sword, as sword, cup as cup.
1712639;1505244425;ben_vulpes;anyways, same-dimensioned columns of steel and china/ceramic; ceramic column will assplode under load that steel blinks at
1712640;1505244433;mircea_popescu;but this hides the proper argument. ben_vulpes would you say "paper is stronger than spider web, i can tear the latter without noticing" ?
1712641;1505244450;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not so. dimension here is not properly taken as "same kg" or "same m3"
1712642;1505244472;ben_vulpes;for engineering considerations it most certainly is
1712643;1505244487;mircea_popescu;it is a very uninformed argument. in point of fact the "Fragile" spider web is one of the strongest materials known.
1712644;1505244491;ben_vulpes;need to know, or heuristicate, how much ceramic to make the handle out of
1712645;1505244497;mircea_popescu;similar situation with porcelain, counterintuitively it is rather unbrittle.
1712646;1505244516;ben_vulpes;paper and spider silk have vastly different densities
1712647;1505244538;ben_vulpes;different ~everything; what, make me a strand of wood fiber as thin as spider silk and let's test it
1712648;1505244542;mircea_popescu;which is why proper dimensional comparison counts relevant dimensions, not intuitively familiar ones.
1712649;1505244561;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that in many applications in the past back when we were 3 yo those were equivalent categories.
1712650;1505244567;ben_vulpes;well this is the job of engineer, select correct materials for correct applications.
1712651;1505244578;mircea_popescu;so far, job is select correct comparison.
1712652;1505244592;ben_vulpes;myeah, dent test don't make so much sense applied to ceramics
1712653;1505244603;mircea_popescu;we weren't discussing an application ; we were discussing a fact.
1712654;1505244614;mircea_popescu;facts aren't open to engineering, they're the subjects o' science.
1712655;1505244636;mircea_popescu;hence material science and materials engineering are different disciplines.
1712656;1505244682;asciilifeform;upstack : i've dropped a wrench on my model-f keys, and 0 chipped.
1712657;1505244685;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: is trying to slip into the crack between 'science, indisputable facts!' and 'can't make a sword blade out of ceramic dummy, wrong situation'?
1712658;1505244690;asciilifeform;can say same for ceramic ? which one ?
1712659;1505244716;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wasn't aware your design envelope was going to randomly expand to "i want a wrench droppable kbd now too".
1712660;1505244722;mircea_popescu;originally it was fingers and it-against-itself.
1712661;1505244724;asciilifeform;it is good proxy for decades of whanging
1712662;1505244743;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the original point was, that "abrication of wear resistant small pieces went through centuries of being porcelain based".
1712663;1505244749;mircea_popescu;and thjis for a very good reason.
1712664;1505244751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform horrible proxy.
1712665;1505244761;mircea_popescu;all it does is exclude porcelain.
1712666;1505244770;trinque;"she has to fuck well, whether or not dropped off a building!"
1712667;1505244778;mircea_popescu;~equivalent of "and policeman must not be black"
1712668;1505244810;asciilifeform;i'd incidentally be entirely open to buying porcelain keys, if anyone knew how to make these to the req'd dimensional tolerance, and see what happens
1712669;1505244823;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the original design constreaints : porcelain way the fuck better than plastic for "dbl injection cast mold in qty of one"
1712670;1505244825;asciilifeform;( the tricky bit re tolerance, is the piston )
1712671;1505244835;mircea_popescu;trained slavegirl can make you these by hand in an afternoon, whole set of beautiful keys.
1712672;1505244841;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment, how wouldja double-shot porcelain ?
1712673;1505244848;mircea_popescu;you don't lol. you paint it.
1712674;1505244851;asciilifeform;lol!!!
1712675;1505244852;mircea_popescu;you know, just like they do.
1712676;1505244854;asciilifeform;wears.
1712677;1505244856;mircea_popescu;nope.
1712678;1505244869;asciilifeform;sure as fuck will wear after kilometres of acidic finger-rub.
1712679;1505244869;mircea_popescu;you know not what you speak of, my man. and this time it's sad. go look at the art of the past would you!
1712680;1505244874;mircea_popescu;it will NEVER.
1712681;1505244879;asciilifeform;nobody fondled those all day, every day.
1712682;1505244887;mircea_popescu;you know what a faberge egg is for instance ?
1712683;1505244893;asciilifeform;sure
1712684;1505244898;mircea_popescu;how is it made ?
1712685;1505244907;asciilifeform;paint
1712686;1505244912;mircea_popescu;"do you know x ?" "i saw an x once for five minutes"
1712687;1505244913;mircea_popescu;nut.
1712688;1505244930;asciilifeform;but no i dun have one here on my desk
1712689;1505244940;mircea_popescu;there's no squirreling away out of studying THIS particular end of art.
1712690;1505244949;mircea_popescu;go, do. great reads, great topic.
1712691;1505244970;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, let us point out the logical next step on porcelain fabrication, which louis & friends were engaged in at the time of their unfortunate beheadal
1712692;1505244986;mircea_popescu;so we never got to see it, would have been ruby-injected-with-saphire.
1712693;1505245002;mircea_popescu;and similar, emerald-and-citrine "double injection molds
1712694;1505245018;asciilifeform;lolwat
1712695;1505245026;mircea_popescu;the point being, that this here thing you've stumbled upon is actually a humongous cut branch of the tree of engineering.
1712696;1505245045;mircea_popescu;and, contrary to diderot & wikitards "reality", there was in fact fascinating work ongoing in the ancien regime.
1712697;1505245053;asciilifeform;materials is 95% of actual engineering noshit.jpg
1712698;1505245067;mircea_popescu;myeah. but pre-1797 it was very much QUALITY driven
1712699;1505245068;asciilifeform;and yes the french gave us the screwcut lathe and more or less everything
1712700;1505245071;mircea_popescu;rather than a mass endeavour.
1712701;1505245082;asciilifeform;absolutely. mass shitware simply not existed yet.
1712702;1505245105;mircea_popescu;and thus the question was very much in a similar vein to your kbd from before ; and the last time in human (ie, european) history this was the case.
1712703;1505245116;*;asciilifeform knows this
1712704;1505245126;mircea_popescu;and y'all have to thank bb for mentioning this, because i don't take iron to the wood so to speak.
1712705;1505245396;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> problem is brittle. << Porcelain has a range of possible brittles. There are procelains sufficiently not fragile-brittle to take substantial foot traffic
1712706;1505245414;asciilifeform;foot is not a shock
1712707;1505245418;mircea_popescu;another problem with the intuitive notion of brittleness is that it is poorly defined in the first place.
1712708;1505245428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform everything is a shock to some degree!
1712709;1505245431;asciilifeform;if you wouldn't bolt it to a kalash -- it is too brittle.
1712710;1505245438;mircea_popescu;dude...
1712711;1505245490;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> foot is not a shock << Not everything that consitutes foot traffic is footsteps
1712712;1505245512;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if dropped wrenches are part of 'foot traffic' then we agree
1712713;1505245534;mircea_popescu;man pizza is part. so are various vehicles (such as de-icers) and etc.
1712714;1505245534;BingoBoingo;Dropped wrenches, caster wheels, etc
1712715;1505245552;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> man pizza is part. so are various vehicles (such as de-icers) and etc. << AHA
1712716;1505245577;mircea_popescu;(if you think "oh, man-pizza is soft np" have your girlfriend fall a coupla feet on top of you from say a fuck sling, get back to me.)
1712717;1505245590;asciilifeform;nah not soft
1712718;1505245591;asciilifeform;good test
1712719;1505245602;asciilifeform;( recall also 'frozen chicken test' in aviation )
1712720;1505245611;mircea_popescu;well... the 200lb man it's not as kalahsh-SOUNDING as the 3 lb wrench!
1712721;1505245628;mircea_popescu;and what is a spine, or fractured ribs with thereby fine points.
1712722;1505245629;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i'd incidentally be entirely open to buying porcelain keys, if anyone knew how to make these to the req'd dimensional tolerance, and see what happens << You solve this with grout
1712723;1505245652;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not grout, but individually lapping on a lathe. nasty.
1712724;1505245654;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he solves it by fucking getting up to speed with 18th century art as an engineering practice!
1712725;1505245664;BingoBoingo;^ AHA
1712726;1505245674;BingoBoingo;Anyways you grout tile-keys to switch
1712727;1505245681;mircea_popescu;you can formulate porcelain so it adheres to a metal lattice stronglier than the actual metal!
1712728;1505245693;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there is no 'switch', there is a piston fitting a barrel
1712729;1505245704;BingoBoingo;Fine grout to top of piston
1712730;1505245706;mircea_popescu;so you have your letterface "A" made out of gold and then the porcelain put around it.
1712731;1505245707;asciilifeform;https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/animation-final-black-2.gif << likbez
1712732;1505245744;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/animation-final-black-2.gif << likbez << Plenty of room to grout to top of machined piston
1712733;1505245786;asciilifeform;i did at one point consider glass
1712734;1505245797;asciilifeform;( aluminized )
1712735;1505245799;mircea_popescu;glass is a kind of porcelain for the needs of this discussion
1712736;1505245809;mircea_popescu;as you'd use lead-alum-borax-doped glass
1712737;1505245830;mircea_popescu;(also "not brittle" item in same sense, at that)
1712738;1505245838;asciilifeform;but yes this deserves to be settled experimentally. nao how to make pistons, cylinders, flappers...
1712739;1505245890;mircea_popescu;(for the curious : porcelain is heat-rearranged Al2 Si2 05 (OH)4 ; glass is more generally heat-rearranged Si + metal)
1712740;1505245917;mircea_popescu;the microscopic reason it is such a strong material is the oxigen-linked silica crystaline patterns that form.
1712741;1505245938;mircea_popescu;the reason steel loses out is that the carbon is a shittier oxigen (more valences, weaker valences) and iron a dubious silicate.
1712742;1505245970;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ofS4q/?raw=true
1712743;1505245970;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1712744;1505245975;mircea_popescu;a fine example : porcelain does not swell. metals dilate significantly. suddenly, a different sort of brittle emerges.
1712745;1505246000;asciilifeform;ductility is not 'different sort of brittle' omfg
1712746;1505246022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was discussing the above "intuitive notion of brittleness is useless"
1712747;1505246036;asciilifeform;take iron, and get fatigue -- vs -- take ceramic, and get brittle  - is a very real engineering tension
1712748;1505246041;asciilifeform;sorta why we have ferrocement
1712749;1505246052;mircea_popescu;your definition of "ceramic" is not mine.
1712750;1505246096;asciilifeform;( these are not even fully disjoint concepts; there is even such a thing as 'metallic glasses' )
1712751;1505246102;mircea_popescu;yes.
1712752;1505246162;mircea_popescu;the important categories in this discussion are metals (ie, materials where the electrons don't sit with their atom ; form cloud. these -- always conductive electrically) ; porcelains (or glasses, or ceramics, or how'd you call them) and then plastics (polymerized item).
1712753;1505246189;mircea_popescu;in this discussion wood is a plastic. and other such intuitively-surprising items.
1712754;1505246295;*;ben_vulpes enjoying the surprises
1712755;1505246326;mircea_popescu;(in fact, there's precious few examples known in nature where we actually have the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704342 spider/coli/etc. trees are readily the largest -- "how to get natural item to secrete high quality plastic???")
1712756;1505246326;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im strictly going by the above "woman will do anything you wanrt provided it is what she ewas goping to do anyway". afaik, spiders do actually make variants of it.
1712757;1505246453;mircea_popescu;(and yes, wood is a plastic is the key to ANOTHER side of "you didn't read up on your art in college, you lose" surprisebox. because yes, wood will do the "Doluble injection cast mold". it was the arab world equivalent of chinese china. look up "mother of pearl"
1712758;1505246475;mircea_popescu;if you make your key of ebony or some other high quality wood and the letterface out of say mother of pearl, you have a very good wear profile item as well.
1712759;1505246499;mircea_popescu;these, amusingly, were also driven by similar processes as the pre-usgification of europe, ie "gotta impress the single solitary unique sultan"
1712760;1505246571;mircea_popescu;(and for moar lolz, take http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712656 etc. these were meant to be SAT on. "oh, ass is soft" "you think so ?" etc.)
1712761;1505246571;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 19:31 asciilifeform: upstack : i've dropped a wrench on my model-f keys, and 0 chipped.
1712762;1505247569;mircea_popescu;(nacre, if you're curious, is the natural alternative to porcelain ; some molluscs even manage iridiscent porcelain non-nacre lining, which is why gigas pearls are valuable)
1712763;1505247684;mircea_popescu;in the simplest sense, mother of pearl is discs of calcium carbonate "glass" suspended in chitin (the insect plastic equivalent of celulose ; same thing as makes hair in mammals.)
1712764;1505247742;mircea_popescu;the important point, however, is that nacre has a young's modulus as high as 100. (young modulus being a reasonable measurement of an aspect of intuitive "brittleness".)
1712765;1505247765;mircea_popescu;after an euler original, no less!
1712766;1505248044;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu's keyz with perlmutter inlays
1712767;1505248077;mircea_popescu;it's not even so expensive, in today's terms. if only we didn't live among anodyne barbarians and the tech stack all rotten away.
1712768;1505248094;asciilifeform;for completeness also oughta mention ivory
1712769;1505248099;mircea_popescu;but a kg of mother of pearl is cheaper to get than a kg of useful slavegirl. put some shell in a tank.
1712770;1505248124;mircea_popescu;ivory is actually not proper part of this discussion. not either very good or very valuable, british "tea" nonsense.
1712771;1505248137;asciilifeform;dunno, worx on piano keys neh
1712772;1505248152;mircea_popescu;i doubt you saw a piano that had non-bachelite keys
1712773;1505248162;asciilifeform;did see, but only because specially set out to.
1712774;1505248177;mircea_popescu;but, "teeth of your enemies" always and everywhere indicated substitute to "teeth of surviving mamooth"
1712775;1505248213;mircea_popescu;it's just dentine, nada mas.
1712776;1505248239;asciilifeform;reasonably good material
1712777;1505248245;mircea_popescu;(all teeth are the same material, be it a lizzard's or your mom's ; it's a calcium hydrated salt.)
1712778;1505248264;mircea_popescu;yes but why specify a dubious source for it. you want tooth, beat up some antifa hipsters, take their teeth make kbd.
1712779;1505248274;mircea_popescu;you'll run out of elephants before you run out of stupid.
1712780;1505248280;asciilifeform;they dun have fist-sized tooth afaik
1712781;1505248305;asciilifeform;( or even model-f key-sized )
1712782;1505248305;mircea_popescu;you can rebake this ; or grow it. it's not some mystical secret itam.
1712783;1505248328;asciilifeform;if yer sintering, just use modern material neh
1712784;1505248339;mircea_popescu;ikr ? which is why yes decent material, not so much used.
1712785;1505248374;mircea_popescu;bear in mind dentine is like 2.5 mohs. so not so great (which is why enammeled in actual firing-in-field tooth)
1712786;1505248392;asciilifeform;troo
1712787;1505248423;mircea_popescu;anyway, only reason dentist doesn't bake you a new dentine layer is the temperature involved ; in a lab you can make arbitrarily large un-enammeled tooth.
1712788;1505248467;mircea_popescu;but generally wouldn't want to ; fake teeth are not made this way because not really good enough.
1712789;1505248472;*;asciilifeform wonders if any dentist knows how to laser sinter yet
1712790;1505248498;mircea_popescu;yup. except not cost effective so far, porcelains have a century of refinement in dental prothesis supporting them
1712791;1505248534;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, fake teeth are a metal cap with a porcelain top. very wear resistent, you chew 30 years on them)
1712792;1505248548;mircea_popescu;well, there's also the screw-ins, but same principle.
1712793;1505248604;asciilifeform;this, i would buy for kbd. but it is not a low-tech item, not the least bit a 'simply bake, like a pot'
1712794;1505248622;mircea_popescu;but way the fuck cheaper than making plastic injection molds for a run of one.
1712795;1505248646;asciilifeform;dunno if you could get the req'd tolerances without something entirely like injection mold.
1712796;1505248649;asciilifeform;( for either )
1712797;1505248656;mircea_popescu;ie, a dentist's lab out of ten probably has a graybeard who could make you the keys for pay. considering what the item costs irl, prolly >1k <10k for the whole key set.
1712798;1505248669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform things that fit in mouths are very fine indeed.
1712799;1505248696;mircea_popescu;and they do a sort of by-hand injection into hand-made molds, yes.
1712800;1505248762;asciilifeform;it's an idea
1712801;1505249101;mircea_popescu;Sep 12 14:43:18 <asciilifeform>	it's an idea
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1712806;1505249108;mircea_popescu;if anyone can explain wtf sense this makes...
1712807;1505249122;asciilifeform;fleanode fleas bite
1712808;1505249122;mircea_popescu;!!up rothbart
1712809;1505249123;deedbot;rothbart voiced for 30 minutes.
1712810;1505249140;mircea_popescu;srsly, 240 seconds since the microsecond previous n lines ? pshaw.
1712811;1505249206;rothbart;I've registered a public key with the bot, but haven't verified it yet (key was generated on GPG4Win) - should I start over from my Linux box, with a new public key?
1712812;1505249235;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/buttfunex-preparing-for-another-insertion-sorry-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Buttfunex Preparing For Another Insertion: Sorry For Your Loss
1712813;1505249294;asciilifeform;rothbart: it wouldn't hurt
1712814;1505249336;rothbart;asciilifeform - cheers. I read the article about the Cardano, but don't see it on NSA site?
1712815;1505249354;asciilifeform;rothbart: it mutated into a different item, FUCKGOATS
1712816;1505249370;rothbart;oh - but that does something rather different
1712817;1505249380;asciilifeform;rothbart: ( summary : we discovered that gpg is a turd, and is to be burned down, not encased in iron )
1712818;1505249382;rothbart;triage issue?
1712819;1505249389;rothbart;aha
1712820;1505249431;rothbart;I'm still busy dumping my bcrash safely; but a friend and I will be buying a few once we're done :)
1712821;1505249490;asciilifeform;rothbart: still waiting for shitcoin node to sync ?
1712822;1505249495;asciilifeform;mine took more than a week
1712823;1505249550;*;trinque waiting on a turdnode as well
1712824;1505249557;rothbart;asciilifeform - haven't even started syncing it yet - still processing the plan in light of your advice (ie. sweeping via trb first)
1712825;1505249598;rothbart;it's all quite complicated, since I've been using Armory to manage my keys
1712826;1505249630;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712588 << i freely admit so well formalized this is a tantalizing problem. how slow is the obvious "multiply x and y, substract modulus from result until result smaller than modulus" ?
1712827;1505249630;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 18:23 asciilifeform: you have the following primitives : multiplier ( 2 N-bit numbers -> 1 2N-bit number ); adder ( ditto ); subtractor ( ditto ); muxer ( 2 N-bit numbers, 1 single-bit number, yields one or the other N-bit depending on that single bit ) ; logical ops (and/or/xor/not)
1712828;1505249640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ruinously
1712829;1505249647;asciilifeform;it's an O(N^3) op
1712830;1505249658;asciilifeform;and it happens B^2 times
1712831;1505249660;mircea_popescu;ok, how slow is the following heuristicized approach :
1712832;1505249663;asciilifeform;(B being bitness )
1712833;1505249715;asciilifeform;i am referring, of course, to the standard shift-and-substract knuth division, which is in the previously posted ffa
1712834;1505249717;mircea_popescu;1. multiply x and y ; 2. count bits of result ; 3. count bits of modulus ; 4. multiply modulus with count2 - count3 and test if larger than result. if not, substract. if yes, multiply with count2-count3-1 and do the same. repeat until result smaller than modulus.
1712835;1505249732;asciilifeform;^ you just described knuth division lol
1712836;1505249739;mircea_popescu;oh damn
1712837;1505249741;mircea_popescu;right you are.
1712838;1505249777;mircea_popescu;this is a great fucking problem though.
1712839;1505249785;asciilifeform;and it is not only O(N^3), but when you modularly exponentiate it actually gets done B times, and not to B-sized inputs, but 2B ( because we have a multiply and then also a square, in each step of the B-step modular exponentiation bitwise )
1712840;1505249795;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1712841;1505249814;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you know how to ffa-base-convert ?
1712842;1505249845;asciilifeform;to arbitrary base ?
1712843;1505249848;mircea_popescu;yes.
1712844;1505249852;asciilifeform;what would that do ?
1712845;1505249860;mircea_popescu;take last digit, done.
1712846;1505249869;asciilifeform;other than taking away O(1) machine shifts
1712847;1505249880;asciilifeform;which are the only reason we are able to do anything reasonably efficiently at all
1712848;1505249891;mircea_popescu;i tried the haskell approach to "Solving" problems, whadda ya want from me.
1712849;1505249894;asciilifeform;lol
1712850;1505249896;mircea_popescu;let it not be said no one here speaks haskell.
1712851;1505249926;asciilifeform;i've been fighting with the modular mult thing since july
1712852;1505249935;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean this problem is hard, i have a half baked item in my head i pompously call abstraction in which it is EASY!!!"
1712853;1505249944;asciilifeform;the literature has been screamingly, frothing-at-the-mouth antihelpful
1712854;1505249971;asciilifeform;( EVERYBODY, without exception, 1) did something intrinsically nonconstanttime 2) lied about it in print )
1712855;1505249989;mircea_popescu;what about off-by-ones lessee
1712856;1505250127;asciilifeform;and oh did i mention 3) idiot specialforms (e.g. barrett's) , because if mother dropped you as a child specialform constraints on moduli seem like ok idea
1712857;1505250261;asciilifeform;the approach i've been (futile, so far) taking is, to find a way to interleave modularization into karatsuba
1712858;1505250276;asciilifeform;( because if you are doing anything other than karatsuba for mult of whatever variety, you're sunk )
1712859;1505250316;rothbart;asciilifeform: will I need to redownload the blockchain on trb?
1712860;1505250330;asciilifeform;rothbart: where did you get your existing one ?
1712861;1505250336;rothbart;core
1712862;1505250338;asciilifeform;then yes
1712863;1505250505;mircea_popescu;rothbart if you have it in a portable data format, can just feed it into trb
1712864;1505250520;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, prb much like any other windows app does not natively produce data in portable format.
1712865;1505250539;rothbart;I've been trying to grok the segwit "theft" incentive - as the bounty grows, so does the PoW defending it - doesn't this keep the segwit outputs safe?
1712866;1505250554;mircea_popescu;how did you reason to arrive to that ?
1712867;1505250559;mircea_popescu;there is no pow in segwit.
1712868;1505250568;mircea_popescu;whole fucking point of segwit is to try and take pow away.
1712869;1505250592;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the classical ffa exponentiator, for reference, looks like http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S4dWM/?raw=true . the ~modular~ exponentiator must look like http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/AiB9t/?raw=true . however it needs 'first, steal the chicken', i.e. FZ_Mod_Mul and FZ_Mod_Square .
1712870;1505250599;rothbart;as in, the attacker would be doing a chain rewrite in order to keep the segwit outputs on his fork?
1712871;1505250620;mircea_popescu;rothbart that made no sense.
1712872;1505250626;rothbart;wouldn't he have to redo all that PoW since segwit wen't active on his fork?
1712873;1505250630;mircea_popescu;no.
1712874;1505250657;rothbart;I've read the logs, still confused about this
1712875;1505250753;mircea_popescu;let's drop the math for a moment and delve. at time t0, bitcoin works. at time t1, some wreckers under "public pressure" as discussed well in http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ attempt to attack this bitcoin that works, by producing an alt-bitcoin, that does not work. the specific way in which the alt-bitcoin thatr does not work "works" is by deeding (exactly like deedbot) some strings into the bitc
1712876;1505250753;rothbart;does the attacker just build upon the main chain, then; sending all the segwit outputs to himself?
1712877;1505250753;mircea_popescu;oin chain. on the basis of these mystery strings, OTHER PARTIES, which ARE IN NO WAY BOUND TO THIS, alloocate wholly imaginary bitcoins to the sort of imbeciles who buy into this scheme (always and everywhere, the stupid poor. to them it makes sense, they've nothingh to lose anyway)
1712878;1505250768;mircea_popescu;now then. at time t2, any of those involved, or any third party, simply SPENDS that bitcoin.
1712879;1505250786;mircea_popescu;the t1 wreckers may yell all they want this "is not right". but in bitcoin longest chain prevails, and so the story ends
1712880;1505250799;mircea_popescu;(to be, of coruse, rehashed again and again forever, like mike gavin's asshole.)
1712881;1505250806;mircea_popescu;rothbart yes.
1712882;1505250827;rothbart;ok, think I've got it
1712883;1505250837;rothbart;how is it that the power rangers are all BLIND to this?
1712884;1505250844;mircea_popescu;(always and everywhere, the stupid poor. to them it makes sense, they've nothingh to lose anyway)
1712885;1505250890;rothbart;anyone, at any point, can claim all segwit outputs - all they need to do is solve the 80bit hash or whatever?
1712886;1505250898;mircea_popescu;but whatever, i don't mind making money out of mit's "blockchain of the future", like i didn't mind fleecing "ripple" or cashing btc crash. free bitcoin will continue for as long as usg can draw breath, i'm not against. let them lose what they can't invest.
1712887;1505250906;mircea_popescu;rothbart they don't need to do anything.
1712888;1505250914;mircea_popescu;just mine a block with it spent, and that's that.
1712889;1505250952;mircea_popescu;rothbart you're perhaps too new to know this, but the PREVIOUS time there was "miner consensus" it turned out the miners that "voted" and "supermajority" didn't give the slightest shit about the whole thing, and did NOT actually implement what they were misrepresented as having supported.
1712890;1505250954;mircea_popescu;so the chain forked.
1712891;1505250965;mircea_popescu;the exact same will happen again. "oh, you had a consensus ? lol."
1712892;1505251080;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how about something like squares interpolation ?
1712893;1505251092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elaborate?
1712894;1505251175;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you maintain a list of the mod and it squares
1712895;1505251214;asciilifeform;that ain't constantspacetime
1712896;1505251215;mircea_popescu;ie, all the trivial polynomials of the mod, see ? x, x^2 + x, x ^ 3 + x etc etc
1712897;1505251223;mircea_popescu;o fuck already.
1712898;1505251224;asciilifeform;this is called slidingwindow and it's what koch does.
1712899;1505251230;mircea_popescu;yes yes
1712900;1505251251;mircea_popescu;THE PROBLEM WITH MATHS IS OTHER PEOPLE GOT HERE FIRST
1712901;1505251254;asciilifeform;lol
1712902;1505251291;mircea_popescu;!!up rothbart
1712903;1505251291;deedbot;rothbart voiced for 30 minutes.
1712904;1505251297;mircea_popescu;fix your key already would you.
1712905;1505251332;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/uLQBe/?raw=true << karatsuba, for reference
1712906;1505251343;rothbart;yea, sorry - I'll do it properly on my Linux box - just got so many questions!
1712907;1505251364;rothbart;can I just register a new public key with deedbot, without revoking the old one?
1712908;1505251370;mircea_popescu;on a new name.
1712909;1505251383;mircea_popescu;but you can also update the old one, easier and safe.
1712910;1505251404;mircea_popescu;(in a sense, key update with deedbot is like bitcoin spending!)
1712911;1505251410;rothbart;having some trouble decrypting the message deedbot sent me
1712912;1505251413;asciilifeform;( nao if only modulus were a distributive operation ! then could take mod for each of the 3 addition arguments inside karatsuba, and we'd be golden )
1712913;1505251414;mircea_popescu;heh.
1712914;1505251435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how is mod not distributive!
1712915;1505251454;mircea_popescu;14 mod 5 + 11 mod 5 = 25 mod 5!
1712916;1505251506;asciilifeform;xy = (a+b+c), but xy mod n != (a mod n)+(b mod n)+(c mod n)
1712917;1505251509;asciilifeform;sadly.
1712918;1505251519;mircea_popescu;of course it is ?
1712919;1505251525;asciilifeform;try it yerself
1712920;1505251534;mircea_popescu;it is distributive in this sense at a minimum cost (tm).
1712921;1505251545;asciilifeform;take trivial case, a=b=c=1 and n=2
1712922;1505251547;mircea_popescu;gimme an a b c ill try it right here
1712923;1505251576;asciilifeform;1mod2=1, 1mod2=1, 1mod2=1, but 1+1+1 = ...
1712924;1505251577;asciilifeform;3.
1712925;1505251581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you understand you need AT MOST a single pass of knuth ? because it may exceed the mod but never by more than 3x ?
1712926;1505251591;asciilifeform;we dun get to do this
1712927;1505251595;asciilifeform;it ain't constanttimespace.
1712928;1505251603;asciilifeform;no 'but first bit...' etc.
1712929;1505251605;mircea_popescu;you can write this coda so it is constant.
1712930;1505251620;mircea_popescu;it will be ugly but it saves lives and stays correct.
1712931;1505251626;asciilifeform;if you're taking about the division, we already have this.
1712932;1505251639;mircea_popescu;i am talking about how mod is distributive to addition "at a small cost".
1712933;1505251647;mircea_popescu;that small cost can be slightly higher and constant time.
1712934;1505251655;asciilifeform;and yes you gotta subtract ALL of the words, even if it is obvious that subtractand does not go into the scratch
1712935;1505251659;asciilifeform;because again constanttime
1712936;1505251668;asciilifeform;and EVERY SHOT OF EVERY SUBOP must be pessimal
1712937;1505251678;mircea_popescu;so you make it. the bound is 3x the mod!
1712938;1505251690;mircea_popescu;just write it all out by hand, the constanttime mod distributivetor.
1712939;1505251714;asciilifeform;go upstack plox,
1712940;1505251719;asciilifeform;single pass of knuth where
1712941;1505251722;asciilifeform;and from where got the 3
1712942;1505251760;mircea_popescu;you write by hand a function which  takes a list with a promise none of the items on it exceed a mod, and returns the mod of the sum of the sum of the elements, in constant time.
1712943;1505251764;mircea_popescu;THIS can be done.
1712944;1505251769;mircea_popescu;then you feed the kara terms into it
1712945;1505251776;mircea_popescu;and you save what, 10% of run time
1712946;1505251829;asciilifeform;if you could do this, you'd save much moar than 10% , because wouldn't have division anywhere
1712947;1505251844;mircea_popescu;you understand, a mod x + b mod x + c mod x may be > x, but never by more than op count * x.
1712948;1505251845;asciilifeform;whereas nao we have http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712830
1712949;1505251845;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 20:54 asciilifeform: and it happens B^2 times
1712950;1505251849;mircea_popescu;so you just write it out.
1712951;1505251862;mircea_popescu;is this making sense or should i show the function ?
1712952;1505251875;asciilifeform;before you do, say how to compute the mods without division.
1712953;1505251903;mircea_popescu;that is not my concern! if there IS a mod, then yo ucan apply it to the terms rather than add them first and apply to result, is all i'm saying.
1712954;1505251912;asciilifeform;( one answer is that at the very bottom of the barrel, where karatsuba hits the basecase comba mult, we permit division )
1712955;1505251912;mircea_popescu;and STILL be constant.
1712956;1505251960;asciilifeform;this is still a restatement of the thing i asked for tho. i do not know of a way to distribute mod.
1712957;1505251978;mircea_popescu;and this is potentially recursive, in that if you have a 500 bit number with 300 ones in it, you do the mod for 500 terms which are all a power of 2, throw 200 away, keep the other 300 and add them.
1712958;1505251989;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me write it out then.
1712959;1505252000;asciilifeform;well yes. but how the hell do i distribute mod. observe in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712923 it dunwork.
1712960;1505252000;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 21:26 asciilifeform: 1mod2=1, 1mod2=1, 1mod2=1, but 1+1+1 = ...
1712961;1505252025;rothbart;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ttt9u/?raw=true
1712962;1505252025;deedbot;410951F4EED9132643015A058B46D224AE9E116C is already registered as rothbart.
1712963;1505252091;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform :
1712964;1505252092;mircea_popescu;for simplicity, input list limited to 2 elements, but expansion obvious.
1712965;1505252092;mircea_popescu;1. sum the list.
1712966;1505252092;mircea_popescu;2. compare result to mod ;
1712967;1505252092;mircea_popescu;2.1 if larger, substract mod from it
1712968;1505252092;mircea_popescu;2.2 if smaller, add mod to it
1712969;1505252094;mircea_popescu;repeat 2 until you have populated a list of equal length, and return the correct element from it.
1712970;1505252106;mircea_popescu;this will always take the same ops no matter what elements are in the original list.
1712971;1505252112;asciilifeform;we can't 'if'
1712972;1505252122;mircea_popescu;we can, IF we do all the branches the same way!
1712973;1505252123;asciilifeform;any mention of 'if' turns into 'do BOTH and then mux'
1712974;1505252127;mircea_popescu;yep
1712975;1505252129;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1712976;1505252159;asciilifeform;and you restated knuth's division algo again
1712977;1505252161;asciilifeform;with the subtract
1712978;1505252175;mircea_popescu;yes, but this is very cheap here. because the elements in list are < mod
1712979;1505252185;mircea_popescu;so you won't have many passes of it. just as many as elements in list at the most.
1712980;1505252193;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/oVOak/?raw=true << subj
1712981;1505252195;asciilifeform;for reference
1712982;1505252204;asciilifeform;this is not one iota cheaper than what i have here.
1712983;1505252224;mircea_popescu;that i can believe. though i expect the above is actually cheaper than adding teh numbers first and modding after.
1712984;1505252251;asciilifeform;the fundamental problem is that mod is not actually distributive.
1712985;1505252260;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck already.
1712986;1505252365;asciilifeform;try (n+3) mod m =?= (n mod m) + (3 mod m)
1712987;1505252373;asciilifeform;died pretty quickly.
1712988;1505252391;mircea_popescu;because you're dedicatedly stubborn.
1712989;1505252396;asciilifeform;( do i need to list contradiction, or is it obvious )
1712990;1505252417;asciilifeform;'distributive' means that you can do the above. and you can't.
1712991;1505252432;mircea_popescu;this approach of "i have a girlfriend and i am blind to all else" doesn't work with girlfriends, or anything else.
1712992;1505252440;mircea_popescu;the EXTRA COST of making mod actually distributive is SMALL.
1712993;1505252453;mircea_popescu;the procedure is both obvious and insistently discussed above.
1712994;1505252457;asciilifeform;suggest something that doesn't reduce to my existing algo ?
1712995;1505252483;mircea_popescu;i'll just pass.
1712996;1505252492;asciilifeform;any other takers?
1712997;1505252499;mircea_popescu;some things are just not worth the cycles.
1712998;1505252714;asciilifeform;well we are talking about a O(NlogN) rsa vs a O(N^5) one
1712999;1505252725;asciilifeform;so i'd say it yes would be worth cycles. if anybody knew of an algo.
1713000;1505252802;asciilifeform;( and worth keeping in mind that in ffaworld  adding two B-bit integers does NOT give a B-bit integer, it gives a B+W bit one. where W is our word width. )
1713001;1505252816;mircea_popescu;the algo is above.
1713002;1505252823;asciilifeform;it's == to the existing one.
1713003;1505252835;asciilifeform;'restoring division' in vol2 of knuth.
1713004;1505252840;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with that!
1713005;1505252851;asciilifeform;aside from the fact that i already wrote it in july -- nuffin
1713006;1505252868;mircea_popescu;good for you ; but your problem isn't what you presented it as being.
1713007;1505252924;asciilifeform;problem is exactly 'modular multiplication without division'
1713008;1505252928;asciilifeform;exactly as was stated.
1713009;1505252962;mircea_popescu;alf : "probvlem is mod is not distributive" me : "it can be made, cheaply" alf : "no, it can not" me : "here" alf : "oh, i did that back in july". then wtf are you griping about.
1713010;1505252987;asciilifeform;i think we missed a step in the thread
1713011;1505252991;mircea_popescu;and in today's reason #5409834 why tattoos are a bad idea : http://68.media.tumblr.com/c853da0a74a94227229869f0e9c8f35d/tumblr_nv9nfgHcTJ1stfekto1_1280.jpg
1713012;1505253006;mircea_popescu;"have you thought about what'll you do about lingerie ? TRIBAL GIRLS CANT WEAR ANY!"
1713013;1505253059;asciilifeform;1) mircea_popescu describes algo for mod. 2) turns out exactly knuths's, that is in existing ffa 3) describes 'do it to each term of a+b+c in karatsuba' 4) this dun work, if it worked we would be bragging about the new 133337 recursive modular mult algo we've got
1713014;1505253079;mircea_popescu;"it" in 3 is mod ? or what ?
1713015;1505253087;shinohai;!~later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/IC3jF/?raw=true
1713016;1505253087;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1713017;1505253117;asciilifeform;aha mod
1713018;1505253162;asciilifeform;and yes it'd be 133337 if it worked, we would have a direct modular equivalent of karatsuba
1713019;1505253174;asciilifeform;but modulus only is distributive over multiplications, not additions.
1713020;1505253181;mircea_popescu;and congrats, you've closed the liar circle on yourself. the only task remaining is to establish whether alf lied when he claimed that mp's distributive-mod algo is already in his ffa since july ; or rather he lied when he claimed distributive mod would actually be useful ; or at some other juncture.
1713021;1505253191;mircea_popescu;but, what you say on this topic is in some proportion not true.
1713022;1505253204;asciilifeform;i was speaking specifically of the division algo
1713023;1505253216;asciilifeform;that one -- we already ahve (see the paste, and the old pastes)
1713024;1505253219;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> "it" in 3 is mod ? or what ? asciilifeform> aha mod asciilifeform> i was speaking specifically of the division algo
1713025;1505253225;mircea_popescu;go have a glass of water, this is unstable.
1713026;1505253235;asciilifeform;what we do not have -- and don't have because it doesn't actually work -- is the karatsuba cut for modular mult.
1713027;1505253318;asciilifeform;and if mircea_popescu writes one -- i dun care if in fortran, cobol, malbolge, whichever, so long as it's something resembling a proggy -- i promise to read.
1713028;1505253403;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all we got atm for mod is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712980 . nothing moar.
1713029;1505253403;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 21:36 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/oVOak/?raw=true << subj
1713030;1505253493;*;mircea_popescu cheated, had blackforest cake isntead of water.
1713031;1505253534;mircea_popescu;well, let's try and salvage this nonsense through the mafgic of yes and no questions.
1713032;1505253548;asciilifeform;i highly recommend to read the past 1st, it is not long
1713033;1505253551;asciilifeform;*paste
1713034;1505253560;mircea_popescu;i read it befoar. but sure, why not.
1713035;1505253579;asciilifeform;it and the prev, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712905 .
1713036;1505253579;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 21:22 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/uLQBe/?raw=true << karatsuba, for reference
1713037;1505253599;mircea_popescu;so, the paste is a division.
1713038;1505253614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is the plan here to just keep adding reading material paper over fire ?
1713039;1505253619;asciilifeform;( this is the 'new' karatsuba, simplified, and demands powers-of-two-bitnessed operands. should be easier to read than old.)
1713040;1505253636;asciilifeform;lol
1713041;1505253646;mircea_popescu;now back to the issue. 1. is it true or is it false that currently sums are calculated before the modulus of the result is calculated ?
1713042;1505253660;asciilifeform;true
1713043;1505253680;mircea_popescu;is it true or is it false that you understand how to make modulus calculations distributive wrt addition ?
1713044;1505253690;asciilifeform;nope. and nobody else does either afaik.
1713045;1505253697;asciilifeform;because it dun distribute.
1713046;1505253711;mircea_popescu;alright. then let me tell you how to do it, and if you fucking say you did it in july ima buy a plane ticket and hang you by the tallest petard.
1713047;1505253722;asciilifeform;let's hear?
1713048;1505253735;asciilifeform;( i promise i have nfi how to do it. just like i don't know how to make 2+2=5 )
1713049;1505253781;mircea_popescu;1sec
1713050;1505253804;asciilifeform;( and what part of   (a+b) mod m == (a mod m) + (b mod m) is breakable with infinitely many a,b,m values, is hard ? try it yourself )
1713051;1505253850;mircea_popescu;alrigthy, so. you take a list of numbers. you add these numbers. you write the result down. you compare this result with the modulus. if the result is smaller than the modulus, you add the modulus to it and write it underneath ; if larger, you substract the modulus and write it underneath. you repeat this step until you have a list of added/substracted moduli to the result AS LONG as the original list of elements. in it, you
1713052;1505253850;mircea_popescu;will necessarily have the modulus of the sum. this entire procedure is constant time.
1713053;1505253852;mircea_popescu;happy nao ?
1713054;1505253869;asciilifeform;waitasec didja.... add them?!
1713055;1505253876;mircea_popescu;yes.
1713056;1505253880;asciilifeform;i thought you had algo for not having to add'em
1713057;1505253892;asciilifeform;so as not to feed a massive turd into an O(N^3) division algo
1713058;1505253893;mircea_popescu;what you feed to this algo is the a mod x
1713059;1505253895;mircea_popescu;not the a itself.
1713060;1505253896;asciilifeform;but instead 3 smallers
1713061;1505253909;mircea_popescu;and what it spits out is the (a+b+c) mod x.
1713062;1505253951;*;asciilifeform smashes head into desk
1713063;1505253971;mircea_popescu;what!
1713064;1505254026;asciilifeform;karatsuba terms a+b+c ( k. squaring, for simplicity. mult. has four of'em ). we want a+b+c mod m.
1713065;1505254044;asciilifeform;if you allow a+b+c addition to take place, you have exactly same proggy i have now.
1713066;1505254050;mircea_popescu;you don't do that.
1713067;1505254053;mircea_popescu;let's take fucking numerical examples already. a = 349087340 ; b = 1209843095 ; c = 753059056. mod = 5.
1713068;1505254057;asciilifeform;ok...
1713069;1505254077;mircea_popescu;bad list
1713070;1505254082;mircea_popescu;let's take fucking numerical examples already. a = 349087340 ; b = 1209843095 ; c = 753059056. mod = 7.
1713071;1505254087;asciilifeform;waaait why bad
1713072;1505254093;mircea_popescu;cuz first two are 0's.
1713073;1505254100;mircea_popescu;trivial case, not my intention.
1713074;1505254101;asciilifeform;lolk
1713075;1505254109;asciilifeform;plz carry on
1713076;1505254117;mircea_popescu;you could do a+b+c = 2311989491 mod 7 = 0.
1713077;1505254141;mircea_popescu;you can ALSO do : 349087340 mod 7 = 0 holy motherfucking crap omfg what is this.
1713078;1505254150;mircea_popescu;how did i mash a random number mod 7 already.
1713079;1505254151;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha
1713080;1505254157;mircea_popescu;let's take fucking numerical examples already. a = 349087340 ; b = 1209843095 ; c = 753059056. mod = 17. << final!
1713081;1505254163;asciilifeform;tkae 4 primez plox
1713082;1505254173;asciilifeform;so as to avoid this.
1713083;1505254183;mircea_popescu;tell you what, you shoot three values.
1713084;1505254210;asciilifeform;ok:
1713085;1505254231;asciilifeform;a=5, b=7, m=11
1713086;1505254248;mircea_popescu;8 digit numbers plox.
1713087;1505254259;mircea_popescu;smallints confuse the issue.
1713088;1505254290;asciilifeform;ok:
1713089;1505254370;asciilifeform;1433293, 7926803, 9266137
1713090;1505254373;mircea_popescu;ty.
1713091;1505254387;mircea_popescu;now then : you could do 1433293 +7926803 +9266137 =
1713092;1505254404;mircea_popescu;18626233 which mod 17 is 13
1713093;1505254413;asciilifeform;last one was supposed to be mod
1713094;1505254422;asciilifeform;( i thought we were doing a+b )
1713095;1505254423;asciilifeform;but sure
1713096;1505254477;mircea_popescu;you can ALSO do : 1433293 mod 17 is 6 ; 7926803 mod 17 is 9 ; 9266137 mod 17 is 15.
1713097;1505254530;mircea_popescu;you feed into my above function the list 6, 9, 15. it adds them : 30. it then writes down 30 -17 ie 13. it then writes down 13 + 17 = 30. it has peroduced a list as long as the original (3 elements), among which the SECOND is the modulus of 1433293 +7926803 +9266137
1713098;1505254540;mircea_popescu;though it never added 1433293 +7926803 +9266137 ; it added 6 and 9 and 15.
1713099;1505254569;asciilifeform;now what happens if the inputs are not coprime ?
1713100;1505254580;mircea_popescu;try it yourself!
1713101;1505254586;mircea_popescu;put numbers in here, i'll do it for you if you wish,.
1713102;1505254604;mircea_popescu;in any case : you run it until same length list ; smallest int on it will be the correct mod. always terminates, always constat time etc.
1713103;1505254624;mircea_popescu;no need to even define length of list.
1713104;1505254811;asciilifeform;i'ma need to find a proof that this holds for all integers.
1713105;1505254821;asciilifeform;but aside from this , it isn't clear to me that it saves any cycles
1713106;1505254834;mircea_popescu;well, i dunno how expensiuve addition is and how much it adds to the mod.
1713107;1505254838;asciilifeform;the modulus is same bitness as the operands, and is not small.
1713108;1505254839;mircea_popescu;but it certainly holds for all ints.
1713109;1505254947;mircea_popescu;but the original idea was that it is indeed cheaper to mod the parts than the whole sum.
1713110;1505255002;asciilifeform;only if we did not then have to sum'em ( the 30 in the example )
1713111;1505255032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, modulus bitness sum as opposed to N bitness sum. but sure.
1713112;1505255044;asciilifeform;modulus bitness == operand bitness. this is ffa after all.
1713113;1505255047;asciilifeform;all bitnesses -- same.
1713114;1505255082;mircea_popescu;it is also extensible in the sense that if you wish to compute the mod of a 512 bit number, you can cut it up into as many powers of two as there are 1's, feed it into this, and get a modulus.
1713115;1505255109;asciilifeform;except we dun get to use 'where there are 1s'
1713116;1505255111;mircea_popescu;this may or may not be cheaper ; but in general you would build a list of the pre-calculated mods of all the powers of 2 up to your bitness and save that to save on work.
1713117;1505255120;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's the kochian table approach
1713118;1505255123;mircea_popescu;aha.
1713119;1505255127;asciilifeform;which is somethign we specifically aint doing
1713120;1505255136;asciilifeform;whole point of ffa, is this notdoing
1713121;1505255139;mircea_popescu;but the important point re that, is that whenever they use a reduced matrix we can STILL use the ufll matrix!
1713122;1505255151;mircea_popescu;it's not automatically bad just for being a list ; you don't have to pare it down.
1713123;1505255159;asciilifeform;it is bad for being indexed by a secret
1713124;1505255166;mircea_popescu;you don';t have to index.
1713125;1505255166;asciilifeform;which is an instant cache death.
1713126;1505255172;mircea_popescu;at all.
1713127;1505255177;asciilifeform;you do if you want to get anything out of having a table
1713128;1505255284;mircea_popescu;consider the number 97. is is 1100001. they do mp_mod (2^6, 2^5, 2^0) ; you can do (2^6, 2^5, 0* 2^4, 0* 2^3,0* 2^2,0* 2^1,2^0). the list method will sitll work, but this time in constanttime.
1713129;1505255318;asciilifeform;i dun see what this gives you tho
1713130;1505255321;mircea_popescu;whether this approach is actually faster than the current mod of 97 as implemented via knuth is open to discussion, i guess.
1713131;1505255327;mircea_popescu;well i have nfi, haven't profiled the thing.
1713132;1505255331;asciilifeform;as far as i can see it is exactly same
1713133;1505255342;asciilifeform;but with moar space overhead.
1713134;1505255358;mircea_popescu;i personally like the formalism of it ; but whatevs.
1713135;1505255363;asciilifeform;( additions produce B+W-bit ints, and these get out of hand very quickly)
1713136;1505255380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if this is true, then the above method should be way faster.
1713137;1505255401;asciilifeform;let's take the case where modulus is maxint
1713138;1505255405;asciilifeform;( all bits set )
1713139;1505255411;mircea_popescu;ok.
1713140;1505255415;asciilifeform;then a mod m == a, b mod m == b, etc
1713141;1505255418;mircea_popescu;precompiled list of all powers of two is then 1.
1713142;1505255420;asciilifeform;and you're stuck adding a+b... again
1713143;1505255422;mircea_popescu;so you have a very simple case.
1713144;1505255427;mircea_popescu;you just add literal 1s.
1713145;1505255444;mircea_popescu;1bit
1713146;1505255513;asciilifeform;i dun get from where you got the 1s
1713147;1505255524;mircea_popescu;say a number.
1713148;1505255533;asciilifeform;9266137
1713149;1505255601;mircea_popescu;ok. ima just take the 137 tail cuz lazy. 137 is 10001001. we have precalculated that 128 mod 17 is 9, and that 8 mod 17 is 8, and that 1 mod 17 is 1
1713150;1505255618;mircea_popescu;so now we feed my procedure above : 9, 8, 1. it returns 18, 1, 18 ie 1.
1713151;1505255624;mircea_popescu;and now we know 137 mod 17 is 1.
1713152;1505255654;mircea_popescu;if you want constant time, you feed the list 9, 0,0,0,0,8,0,0,1. it will do 18, 1, 18, 1, 18, 1, 18, 1 etc.
1713153;1505255656;mircea_popescu;same thing.
1713154;1505255687;asciilifeform;except it does exactly as many cycles as the classical method.
1713155;1505255691;mircea_popescu;this holds for arbitrarily large numbers, and i suspect will be faster than classical.
1713156;1505255697;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that.
1713157;1505255697;asciilifeform;because we're muxing over the entire list every single time
1713158;1505255707;asciilifeform;and for every new modulus, you gotta cook up a list
1713159;1505255711;asciilifeform;which takes ages
1713160;1505255716;mircea_popescu;i'll take your word for it if you say so ; i've not looked at them closely in comparison.
1713161;1505255721;asciilifeform;this btw is also in vol2 of knuth
1713162;1505255726;mircea_popescu;heh
1713163;1505255726;asciilifeform;called 'addition chains'
1713164;1505255737;mircea_popescu;!#s "THE PROBLEM WITH MATH"
1713165;1505255738;a111;1 result for "\"THE PROBLEM WITH MATH\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22THE%20PROBLEM%20WITH%20MATH%22
1713166;1505255759;asciilifeform;it is ok for rsa where you sink it to the bottom of the sea and never intend to change the modulus
1713167;1505255764;asciilifeform;but useless for ptronic.
1713168;1505255788;asciilifeform;but actually congrats to mircea_popescu for reinventing 2 separate knuth algos.
1713169;1505255793;mircea_popescu;but that inconvenience is not the same as the "Same number of cycles" claim.
1713170;1505255816;asciilifeform;it is ~greater~ number of cycles, by far, if you count the 'tooling' cost of preparing the table for each new modulus.
1713171;1505255816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im pretty sure i read the whole knuth as a teen, so it's likely just memory at work.
1713172;1505255820;asciilifeform;possib
1713173;1505255850;asciilifeform;incidentally there are other algos where you pre-bake a thing for a given modulus and save some cycles. montgomery's, for example.
1713174;1505255892;asciilifeform;it requires a constant-time gcd, however, to be constant-time. ( and has a problem same as above in that it takes much MORE time than naive algo if you don't reuse modulus forever )
1713175;1505256007;*;asciilifeform brb
1713176;1505256374;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712362 << i actually use this one pretty frequently when i type for identifiers, abbreviations and section headers in notes. really any time i need to type more than 2 capitalized letters in a row..
1713177;1505256374;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 00:50 PeterL: hmm, here's another key I never use, what does "Caps Lock" even do?
1713178;1505256697;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712367 << i've went through many layout modifications, but i finally settled on just having () and [] switched around. it's convenient both for prose and lisp (not so much heathen languages though)
1713179;1505256697;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 01:01 PeterL: I suppose people who are not programmers do not use ( or ) much, but does anybody actually use [ and ] any more often?
1713180;1505257281;phf;damn, it's a long log
1713181;1505257285;*;phf goes to sleep instead
1713182;1505257761;mircea_popescu;anyway, three points since i got a blowjob and apparently this inspires me.
1713183;1505257808;mircea_popescu;1. if you actually want metal kbd, your choice of steel is probably ill advised. i'd try silver instead. heuristicallyt there's a reason gunsmiths and silversmiths were ~the same people i nthe early modern period ; moreover silver has better properties in the range sough.
1713184;1505257869;mircea_popescu;2. a fine example of how "i work for the web man" rots the brain, is that in an implementation of the above discussed mod-distributiver, the "common" consensus impulse would be to add a test, make sure the list elements respect the condition of <modulus. this however is very much the wrong thing ; and it is a tmsr-graduate level question to explain why and wherefore.
1713185;1505257935;mircea_popescu;and finally 3. the item there described is not exactly a function. it rather something i'd call a mechanism, a discrete item that does a fully defined thing. as we're looking more and more through ada eyes and constant time things and so on, a study of these mechanisms as an distinct category will prolly be useful. somewhere between conway's cells and commandline utils, they are.
1713186;1505258288;mircea_popescu;and in other random lulz, http://www.elmundo.es/cataluna/2017/09/12/59b6dd77468aeb545d8b4583.html
1713187;1505258301;mircea_popescu;run of the mill pantsuit idiocy, but then suddenly "Es que en Rumanía todos se llaman Mircea Popescu. ¿Sabes?"
1713188;1505259809;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: silver tarnishes and has abysmal mechanical properties and why
1713189;1505260198;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713185 << the 'mechanism' is... algebra ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696309 etc )
1713190;1505260198;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 23:12 mircea_popescu: and finally 3. the item there described is not exactly a function. it rather something i'd call a mechanism, a discrete item that does a fully defined thing. as we're looking more and more through ada eyes and constant time things and so on, a study of these mechanisms as an distinct category will prolly be useful. somewhere between conway's cells and commandline utils, they are.
1713191;1505260198;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 03:23 asciilifeform: what is needed is a wholly algebraic process. like my mult.
1713192;1505260222;asciilifeform;( and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696834 probably being canonical statement thereof )
1713193;1505260222;a111;Logged on 2017-08-10 19:45 asciilifeform: forn00bz: an, e.g., rsa modexp, in ffa, must be representable by a long roll of paper, on it are ops for ordinary 4function calculator, with very patient slave. and roll ONLY ROLLS FORWARD and has finite # of instructions on it, known in advance when you decide the ffa width.
1713194;1505260234;mod6;evenin
1713195;1505260239;asciilifeform;hiya mod6
1713196;1505260262;mod6;gotta catch up ...
1713197;1505260339;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713184 << in ffaworld, a < or > or == comparison is not only a subtraction (O(N)) but another O(N) test for nullity (xor all the words together)
1713198;1505260339;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 23:11 mircea_popescu: 2. a fine example of how "i work for the web man" rots the brain, is that in an implementation of the above discussed mod-distributiver, the "common" consensus impulse would be to add a test, make sure the list elements respect the condition of <modulus. this however is very much the wrong thing ; and it is a tmsr-graduate level question to explain why and wherefore.
1713199;1505260368;asciilifeform;comparing (or subtracting) 0 and 0 takes same time as maxint and maxint or maxint and 0 etc
1713200;1505260385;asciilifeform;this was probably obvious to everybody tuned in, but bears restating.
1713201;1505260435;asciilifeform;( in heathen world, if the upper bit of one comparand is set, and the other's corresponding bit is not, you stop right there )
1713202;1505260529;asciilifeform;re 'mechanism', also can restate : if something cannot be expressed as a boolean circuit, it is not constantspacetimeizable.
1713203;1505260546;asciilifeform;everything you've seen in ffa to date, is unrollable into iron circuit.
1713204;1505262093;asciilifeform;incidentally i dun think i've put into the logs why montgomery's modular mult algo is unusable
1713205;1505262123;asciilifeform;reason is that it demands special forms and therefor is not a general-purpose modexp
1713206;1505262160;asciilifeform;specifically demands that the modulus be odd, and that it must be greater than either multiplicand.
1713207;1505262239;asciilifeform;if either condition is false, it will silently shit out garbage.
1713208;1505262268;asciilifeform;( the thing is widely used in rsatrons which agree to constrain themselves thusly, but is entirely irrelevant in ffa )
1713209;1505262292;asciilifeform;a*b mod m MUST WORK FOR ALL INTEGERS .
1713210;1505262302;asciilifeform;no 'speshul rsa forms' in ffa.
1713211;1505262303;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform silver dun tarnish lol, there's such a thing as proper silver. and it has low melting point and easy to work and it doesn't grow fungi.
1713212;1505262306;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1713213;1505262325;asciilifeform;it will tarnish when full enough of acidic finger oil.
1713214;1505262339;mircea_popescu;you ever had silverware ?
1713215;1505262346;asciilifeform;sure
1713216;1505262350;mircea_popescu;tarnished ?
1713217;1505262362;asciilifeform;certainly not shiny like scalpel, no.
1713218;1505262366;mircea_popescu;i ate off my great-grandfather's set, still clean as the day in 1870 it was made.,
1713219;1505262385;mircea_popescu;yes well, guess what, your model & kbd is also not like scalpel.
1713220;1505262393;asciilifeform;it would be if stainless
1713221;1505262411;mircea_popescu;surgical steel works at 2700 degrees. silver at 700.
1713222;1505262430;mircea_popescu;silver you can work with hammer ; steel must be drop forged. and so on.
1713223;1505262438;asciilifeform;i was thinking of machining but yes
1713224;1505262460;mircea_popescu;for your actual needs, silver kbd much better than steel, if you're going to go metallic (which, not great idea in first place).
1713225;1505262482;asciilifeform;why not ?
1713226;1505262501;mircea_popescu;because very expensive to work, for instance.
1713227;1505262512;asciilifeform;well thread was re a hypothetical nothing-spared kbd.
1713228;1505262519;asciilifeform;so i'd go for, say, monel.
1713229;1505262530;asciilifeform;dunno if anything'd beat monel.
1713230;1505262548;mircea_popescu;nickel ?
1713231;1505262563;asciilifeform;ugh ever wore a nickel watchband ?
1713232;1505262566;mircea_popescu;i dunno, maybe. i've little experience with the item.
1713233;1505262579;asciilifeform;nickel is prolly the least biocompatible metal
1713234;1505262580;mircea_popescu;but it does share silver qualities, ie easily fabricable.
1713235;1505262588;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform monel is nickel.
1713236;1505262592;mircea_popescu;2/3 by weight.
1713237;1505262596;asciilifeform;no moar than steel 'is' carbon
1713238;1505262601;mircea_popescu;iron.
1713239;1505262605;mircea_popescu;carbon is 2-3% in steel.
1713240;1505262646;asciilifeform;monel ( and more recent inconel ) is spiffy unreactive nickel alloy, used in aggressive envir (e.g. molten na reactor tubing)
1713241;1505262674;mircea_popescu;a special kind of zamak.
1713242;1505262688;asciilifeform;lol chrome not zinc
1713243;1505262709;mircea_popescu;anyway, doesn't mix well with other metals is its main thing.
1713244;1505262724;asciilifeform;that's quite ok, make whole thing from it
1713245;1505262761;asciilifeform;good enough for tokamak, good enough for kbd...
1713246;1505262763;mircea_popescu;i'd still take silver myself, if i were doing "metal kbd". not that i would.
1713247;1505262871;*;asciilifeform currently surrounded by tall pile of -- mostly worthless -- literature re mod mult
1713248;1505262880;asciilifeform;srsly, couplea kg worth by nao
1713249;1505263130;asciilifeform;95% of the academitards dun even bother with any attempt other than 'how do i montgomery slightly faster'
1713250;1505263169;ben_vulpes;i think that i would like wood keys.
1713251;1505263178;ben_vulpes;can even get the inset bit asciilifeform slavers for
1713252;1505263317;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how do you propose to make 200+ identical wooden keys with the proper shape ?
1713253;1505263332;asciilifeform;( and 'redefine the shape' is not an answer )
1713254;1505263366;asciilifeform;how would you make the meniscus ?
1713255;1505263366;ben_vulpes;a mill
1713256;1505263372;shinohai;   ben_vulpes http://www.instructables.com/id/WOODEN-KEYBOARD/
1713257;1505263386;asciilifeform;ewwww
1713258;1505263389;ben_vulpes;shinohai: no good
1713259;1505263430;shinohai;(Only good fer Crapplebook Pro)
1713260;1505263436;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: meniscus also with a mill.
1713261;1505263451;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: so why wood then
1713262;1505263462;asciilifeform;so that it can get stuck in the piston when humidity goes up 5%
1713263;1505263462;asciilifeform;?
1713264;1505263466;shinohai;Wait, this is faux keyboard, merely shapes stuck on top of keys
1713265;1505263474;asciilifeform;lol!
1713266;1505263489;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why use wood for the piston mating face?
1713267;1505263503;ben_vulpes;granted i have not seen this piston kb design you've mentioned
1713268;1505263537;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712731
1713269;1505263537;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 19:48 asciilifeform: https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/animation-final-black-2.gif << likbez
1713270;1505263558;ben_vulpes;oh buckling spring
1713271;1505263570;asciilifeform;yes, that's what a keyboard is
1713272;1505263587;ben_vulpes;you said piston, i was imagining fancy tiny pistons with overpressure valves!
1713273;1505263602;asciilifeform;it dun have to be an actual spring, ftr
1713274;1505263611;asciilifeform;ibm made a magnetically-tensioned kbd at one point
1713275;1505263624;asciilifeform;so long as you get the sproing -- worx
1713276;1505263634;ben_vulpes;point stands, don't use decorative materials for the precision tracks
1713277;1505263806;*;asciilifeform goes 'wtf, THIS crackpottery of mine - you lot find interesting, but the stubborn boojum that keeps 'p' from happening, not interesting somehow '
1713278;1505263918;asciilifeform;and ftr mircea_popescu your algo takes at least N times more cycles than the classical.
1713279;1505263945;ben_vulpes;i find it very interesting, but do not have anything useful to say on it!
1713280;1505263964;asciilifeform;( does N subtractions , N nullity tests, and when modulus is maxint ( and therefore at all times ) it reduces to the classical's cost )
1713281;1505264142;mircea_popescu;dude get out, every shape can be made out of wood cheaper and faster than ~any other way except for ABS injection.
1713282;1505264174;asciilifeform;let's ask pete_dushenski if there are wooden gears in his rolex
1713283;1505264184;ben_vulpes;omfg with the moving of goalposts
1713284;1505264191;mircea_popescu;nevermind the rolex. and nevermind "humidity" bs, wood is not pine.
1713285;1505264208;asciilifeform;ironwood would probably work.
1713286;1505264210;mircea_popescu;there are wood painted icons survived fine (ie, no cracks in cunt mary's face) for 1k years.
1713287;1505264219;mircea_popescu;there's all sorts of options in the hardwoods.
1713288;1505264229;asciilifeform;to what stress is the picture frame subject ?
1713289;1505264238;mircea_popescu;humidity varying in open air church.
1713290;1505264278;asciilifeform;but yes i thought about wooden keys. probably would want a custom milling rig to make'em ( something like a lens maker's lathe )
1713291;1505264292;asciilifeform;though i have nfi how one would do the inlay such that surface is smooth to the touch
1713292;1505264302;asciilifeform;presumably you would inlay 1st then cut the meniscus.
1713293;1505264309;mircea_popescu;winder/summer/ and the century floods.
1713294;1505264323;mircea_popescu;and also it's not a matter of " THIS crackpottery of mine - you lot find interesting, but the stubborn boojum". it's a matter of you being more hysterically terrible ad kbd design than at p design.
1713295;1505264361;asciilifeform;i dun actually make keyboards. but did once say 'i'd like a stainless steel kbd' and for some reason the reaction is always 'no have THIS instead'
1713296;1505264369;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, you first inlay then shape. this is how it's done.
1713297;1505264412;*;shinohai gives asciilifeform cardboard keyboard instead ....
1713298;1505264412;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because "stainless steel kbd" is an entertainingly stupid notion ; and what's more it's pecularly stupid in the way your stupid works, i can see it relate to the "fuck you guise, ima live on a boat" and so on. spherical cow sorta approach.
1713299;1505264431;asciilifeform;prolly if i desperately wanted custom keys, i'd laser the letters and then cast into acrylic.
1713300;1505264470;mircea_popescu;the people you linked re "here is what dbl injection is" will actually do exactly that for you, also. it's not THAT expensive.
1713301;1505264499;mircea_popescu;superficially it seems like omfg lotta money ; but not so bad. people can afford to make eg icecube trays that retail for 3 bux ie cost a quarter each. how many of those sell ? 10k if you're lucky.
1713302;1505264506;mircea_popescu;hurr durr, you're out 10k for the run.
1713303;1505264530;asciilifeform;low-tech , 'cheap & angry'
1713304;1505264530;asciilifeform;and probably last as long as plastic keys.
1713305;1505264530;asciilifeform;yeah 5-10k usd
1713306;1505264531;asciilifeform;there used to be a club where various folx pooled dough and bought.
1713307;1505264532;asciilifeform;( it is -- unsuprisingly -- mostly tooling cost )
1713308;1505264533;asciilifeform;*unsurprisingly
1713309;1505264540;mircea_popescu;right.
1713310;1505264550;mircea_popescu;besides, you won't make one, you'll make say 100. because fuck it.
1713311;1505264555;asciilifeform;recently there was even a d00d who had entire model f made this way, in a run of 1000 or so
1713312;1505264560;mircea_popescu;and then after you start using it people fight for it and there.
1713313;1505264566;asciilifeform;but for some odd reason he made a variant without f-keys, arrows, numpad
1713314;1505264570;mircea_popescu;MOST of "branded" consumer items are ~this anyway.
1713315;1505264570;asciilifeform;~unusable
1713316;1505264590;asciilifeform;https://www.modelfkeyboards.com << linked for compleeetness of thread
1713317;1505264597;mircea_popescu;there's even dedicated "investment" stupid money chasing such "ideas". not as many as there were in the 90s, owing to a lot of unfortunate interactions with various "transhuman" tards past 20 years, but still some.
1713318;1505264609;asciilifeform;( seems to have variant with numpad nao! but STILL no f- )
1713319;1505264652;mircea_popescu;at any rate if you put an order for keys they'll be relieved. "really, not pens for once ?! holy shit this is the most exciting this job ever got"
1713320;1505264686;asciilifeform;the saving grace is that indeed i and everybody else can get by without ideal modelf kbd. but on the other hand i ~do~ need a modmulter.
1713321;1505264698;asciilifeform;one way or another it will have to appear.
1713322;1505264698;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1713323;1505264767;mircea_popescu;so in the end what was it, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713104 or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713161 ? cuz i don't expect it can be both dubious and well known at the same time.
1713324;1505264767;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 22:20 asciilifeform: i'ma need to find a proof that this holds for all integers.
1713325;1505264767;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 22:35 asciilifeform: this btw is also in vol2 of knuth
1713326;1505264899;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied that it holds, as written. in re knuth, turned out that i was thinking of the 'addition chains' method of mod-exp
1713327;1505264908;asciilifeform;which resembles yours, and doesn't win anything in our case.
1713328;1505264954;mircea_popescu;anyways. i spent some time where the math lives, and i am satisfied that proving some sort of hard relation between fxy=mod(xy) and a polynomial expression of xy is in fact reality-breaking.
1713329;1505264970;mircea_popescu;and consequently won't be forthcoming.
1713330;1505265032;asciilifeform;is what i was trying to get across in the beginning
1713331;1505265043;mircea_popescu;all that's left is little cheats here and there.
1713332;1505265074;mircea_popescu;most of which are verboten by the whole "mechanism" view of things.
1713333;1505265078;asciilifeform;correct
1713334;1505265108;mircea_popescu;so, want a frog you can kiss into housekeeper&cocksucker all you want, for all the good'll do ye.
1713335;1505265135;asciilifeform;( incidentally reader might ask 'why not do montgomery? you're doing rsa anyway' and answer is not only 'maybe tomorrow, cramer-shoup and not rsa' but also that we do things such as primality testing , and other non-rsa op )
1713336;1505265159;mircea_popescu;the sadness here is that indeed tmsr-rsa is turning into separate item from p itself.
1713337;1505265180;asciilifeform;i hold that it is not meaningful to attempt to separate'em
1713338;1505265181;mircea_popescu;because optimizations. which may piss you off, but it'll be done anyway ; and the process MUCHLY reminds me of how bitcoin mining degraded irl.
1713339;1505265186;asciilifeform;and that an rsa that is not ptronic is not worth using
1713340;1505265201;mircea_popescu;which is a serious point of alarm in my head at this juncture.
1713341;1505265222;asciilifeform;if idjits want to optimize in a way that results in nonfittinginhead, they may as well install winblowz
1713342;1505265226;asciilifeform;and use usg's rsa.
1713343;1505265233;asciilifeform;because there is demonstrably no difference.
1713344;1505265246;mircea_popescu;it's a complicated problem./
1713345;1505265257;asciilifeform;dunno what is complicated about this
1713346;1505265279;asciilifeform;if we gotta compute on fpga, to do rsa sanely -- then fpga it is. 8192-bit regs.
1713347;1505265303;mircea_popescu;the point re why the fuck does everything have to degrate stupidly is what's complicated about this.
1713348;1505265311;mircea_popescu;degrade*
1713349;1505265312;asciilifeform;it degrades because folx let it.
1713350;1505265317;asciilifeform;when you stop letting -- it stops.
1713351;1505265324;asciilifeform;even if cost is 1e6 litres of blood.
1713352;1505265339;mircea_popescu;"badly built house walls fall because people let them ; and when the "stop" letting them by starting propping them up, they stop falling"
1713353;1505265351;asciilifeform;not by propping
1713354;1505265355;asciilifeform;by shooting architects.
1713355;1505265359;mircea_popescu;lol
1713356;1505265386;asciilifeform;propping is how you get walls that dun stay up 5sec when unpropped.
1713357;1505265389;mircea_popescu;i dunno how many people you will have to shoot to keep them from taking your general-purpose p-based rsa and writing a narrower, "works for rsa only" faster program.
1713358;1505265391;asciilifeform;like kochian rsa.
1713359;1505265393;mircea_popescu;neither do you. it's unbound.
1713360;1505265408;asciilifeform;you solve this by making the sane solution, actually usable.
1713361;1505265418;mircea_popescu;your sane solution won't be the fastest.
1713362;1505265428;mircea_popescu;that's always the trade-off, clarity for specificity.
1713363;1505265445;asciilifeform;it's every bit the fastest when sat on proper iron.
1713364;1505265451;mircea_popescu;btw, you have any exposure to the racing cars social millieu ?
1713365;1505265461;asciilifeform;not directly
1713366;1505265468;mircea_popescu;the sort of culture of the 70s/80s of which "need for speed" franchise is a sad bastardization in the ustardian hot topic sense ?
1713367;1505265492;asciilifeform;the folx who took stock cars, and tore out seats, floor, etc ?
1713368;1505265502;mircea_popescu;ok, quick summary : tech pre-injectors was carburators. engines "optimized for racing" got slowly more complex over time. then injection became feasible, and they simplified. now they've recomplexified again.
1713369;1505265504;mircea_popescu;this is a cycle
1713370;1505265512;asciilifeform;it is indeed
1713371;1505265513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform engine work the interesting part, but sure.
1713372;1505265539;asciilifeform;and answer is that obviously idjits will take ANYTHING you make, sane rsa, sane kalash, whatever, and Bolt Shit To The Side
1713373;1505265552;mircea_popescu;but the process is interestring, they kept adding shit to the old engine to "make it better". which it did, at the cost of becoming unmaintainable.
1713374;1505265559;mircea_popescu;so much so that ONLY DRIVER could fix own car.
1713375;1505265562;asciilifeform;and result, whatever else it may be, is not sane. in that it no longer ~demonstrably~ behaves as specified.
1713376;1505265564;asciilifeform;it is NOT RSA
1713377;1505265567;asciilifeform;it is usg.rsa.
1713378;1505265571;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding EVERYONE there had the practical, earn equivalent of 5 phds in mech eng.
1713379;1505265587;asciilifeform;this is the typical complexitycollapse, happened to, e.g., ibm pc
1713380;1505265588;mircea_popescu;then injection came about, and they scrapped the old designs
1713381;1505265596;mircea_popescu;BUT!!! restarted the complexification process.
1713382;1505265598;asciilifeform;and just about everywhere where folx did not actively push back.
1713383;1505265610;asciilifeform;understand, you gotta ACTIVELY push back
1713384;1505265618;asciilifeform;shoot people for adding complexity. regardless. of. why.
1713385;1505265626;mircea_popescu;sounds a lot like "your house is fine mr p, for as long as you hold on to this here bearing beam"
1713386;1505265632;asciilifeform;it's a pollutant.
1713387;1505265642;mircea_popescu;ok, where does it come from ?
1713388;1505265665;asciilifeform;comes from young cocks who want to 'make their mark', most typically
1713389;1505265673;asciilifeform;and did not get properly hammered down
1713390;1505265674;mircea_popescu;does it ?
1713391;1505265688;mircea_popescu;take the inconvenientmost example, of bitcoin mining.
1713392;1505265704;mircea_popescu;technically you're right -- the change fgrom satoshi's prototype mining to today's item comes exactly from "young cocks" trying to get laid.
1713393;1505265706;asciilifeform;it also comes from 'reasonable' people who 'oh hey i can make rsa 1.5x faster if i use weird bases, so what if my code is now 20kline instead of 2k'
1713394;1505265707;mircea_popescu;nevertheless...
1713395;1505265716;mircea_popescu;well it IS 1.5x faster.
1713396;1505265740;asciilifeform;except that : it is no longer the SAME IT
1713397;1505265744;asciilifeform;not demonstrably.
1713398;1505265753;mircea_popescu;point being, until and unless the process is thoroughly and well understood, we'll keep being blindsided by "mining is a bug" bugs.
1713399;1505265782;mircea_popescu;i know i was. ie, it was not directly evident to me that mining as originally designed has this weakness.
1713400;1505265787;asciilifeform;the process is 'must fit in head'. for so long as item fits in head, it is demonstrably solving the stated problem ( which, unsurprisingly, must also fit in head as a statement )
1713401;1505265816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so how do you redefine "winning the race" ? have the drivers recite the engine parts afterwards, disqualify all errors ?
1713402;1505265855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the race is a fuzzy thing to begin with, if the cars can be arbitrarily altered
1713403;1505265863;asciilifeform;( where do they draw the line ? why not rocket engine ? )
1713404;1505265867;mircea_popescu;not really, very "intuitively" obvious.
1713405;1505265870;mircea_popescu;monkey ahead!
1713406;1505265872;asciilifeform;ahahahahalol
1713407;1505265877;mircea_popescu;ayup.
1713408;1505265895;mircea_popescu;do you know what childhood ad-hoc rulemaking is ?
1713409;1505265898;asciilifeform;2+ param optimization is a punishment, not entertainment
1713410;1505265908;mircea_popescu;usually takes the form of !Whine that's not fair!
1713411;1505265916;asciilifeform;wtf is it, a car design + racing contest
1713412;1505265919;asciilifeform;why not also singing.
1713413;1505265920;mircea_popescu;and then a rule is added to the set.
1713414;1505265922;asciilifeform;make'em sing
1713415;1505265928;mircea_popescu;actually, it's also DRESSING
1713416;1505265930;asciilifeform;!#s chess boxing
1713417;1505265931;a111;6 results for "chess boxing", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chess%20boxing
1713418;1505265938;mircea_popescu;it is after all sexual competition. gotta be fast, cool and sharp!
1713419;1505265975;mircea_popescu;(ftr, what teh lordship usually catcalls as your "Goalpost sliding" is really your most carnal aspect. you sound JUST like a woman when you do it.)
1713420;1505266005;asciilifeform;specifying detail != sliding
1713421;1505266014;asciilifeform;though may seem that way to fuzzy thinkers
1713422;1505266202;mircea_popescu;well now that all depends.
1713423;1505266302;asciilifeform;i'd like it not to be lost upstack, so will restate ftr : a 'optimized' rsa that no longer fits in head and is no longer demonstrably-correct , ( and worse yet, no longer operates branch-free ) is NOT RSA and is simply a turd being fraudulently passed off as the genuine article
1713424;1505266318;asciilifeform;though it may in majority of observed cases produce 'correct answer' to the naked eye
1713425;1505266326;asciilifeform;the essential point is that the two are NOT SAME mechanisms
1713426;1505266327;mircea_popescu;how do you judge what fits in another's head ?
1713427;1505266346;asciilifeform;i can state with confidence that kochiana fits in NO head
1713428;1505266350;asciilifeform;nor ever will, or could
1713429;1505266372;asciilifeform;generally this is not an actual problem, 'but what of different heads'
1713430;1505266384;asciilifeform;a proper fits-in-head item fits in the literate man's head.
1713431;1505266390;asciilifeform;a tub of liquishit -- fits in none.
1713432;1505266396;mircea_popescu;so you will have a gold-iridium head stored in paris ?
1713433;1505266414;asciilifeform;no such thing is contemplated
1713434;1505266431;mircea_popescu;so then if joe claims the "Streamlined" rsa fits in his head, what do you do ?
1713435;1505266483;asciilifeform;if he ain't in l1, ignore, for starters.
1713436;1505266488;mircea_popescu;and if he is ?
1713437;1505266535;asciilifeform;ask for proof of correctness.
1713438;1505266549;asciilifeform;which incidentally i am ready and willing to produce for every single piece of ffa to date.
1713439;1505266557;mircea_popescu;and he produces a 12 page item.
1713440;1505266579;mircea_popescu;which fits in SOME heads, liek galois' in 1800s or the fermat thing recently.
1713441;1505266586;mircea_popescu;and speaking of fits, https://68.media.tumblr.com/037ffcaa5e3e7d3a5cdf07ba07d0628e/tumblr_nvmn0aRVcF1urdio6o1_1280.jpg
1713442;1505266609;asciilifeform;this is actually the situation with, e.g., fft mult
1713443;1505266617;asciilifeform;which is why we ain't using it.
1713444;1505266674;asciilifeform;arguably the jury's still out on what constitutes 'every literate man's head' capacity
1713445;1505266703;asciilifeform;but my aim is to write an rsa such that, yes, no one can be considered numerate if it does not fit in his head.
1713446;1505266718;mircea_popescu;well, so as you see. complicated problem.
1713447;1505266737;asciilifeform;nuffin in there is any moar weighty than long division.
1713448;1505266744;asciilifeform;which until recently was hammered into every kid
1713449;1505266837;asciilifeform;incidentally this is why i oppose ellipticcurveism
1713450;1505266856;asciilifeform;it does not fit in my head, and i am not convinced that the folx who claim that it fits into theirs, ain't lying
1713451;1505266864;asciilifeform;and moreover i can never be convinced that they ain't lying TO ME
1713452;1505266880;asciilifeform;( unless and until i were to hammer it into MY head such that it wholly fits )
1713453;1505268243;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1713454;1505268395;asciilifeform;incidentally in case it weren't obvious, much bloatier rsatrons than the one contemplated in ffa, fit in asciilifeform's head -- e.g. montgomery mult, barrett, various war crimes in that vein
1713455;1505268422;asciilifeform;but i specifically refuse'em because NOT ORTHOGONAL, they don't belong as part of a general-purpose numbertheoretical minimal 'crypto lego set'.
1713456;1505270549;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> run of the mill pantsuit idiocy, but then suddenly "Es que en Rumanía todos se llaman Mircea Popescu. ¿Sabes?" << LOLOLOLOL
1713457;1505270831;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform goes 'wtf, THIS crackpottery of mine - you lot find interesting, but the stubborn boojum that keeps 'p' from happening, not interesting somehow ' << Everyone has strong opinions on materials
1713458;1505271223;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> superficially it seems like omfg lotta money ; but not so bad. people can afford to make eg icecube trays that retail for 3 bux ie cost a quarter each. how many of those sell ? 10k if you're lucky. << /me read as "lotto money"
1713459;1505272534;asciilifeform;lol!
1713460;1505272536;asciilifeform;sov lotto
1713461;1505272546;asciilifeform;( max prize was, typically, ~car )
1713462;1505274489;BingoBoingo;AHA, until late 1990's that was US gameshow maximum prize! Then inflation
1713463;1505274529;danielpbarron;!~later tell shinohai http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/P604b/?raw=true
1713464;1505274529;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1713465;1505279381;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/12/apple-do-you-care/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “Apple, do you care?”
1713466;1505291222;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/pantsuit-seattle-mayor-ed-murray-quits-amid-serial-child-fucking-scandal/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Seattle Mayor Ed Murray Quits Amid Serial Child Fucking Scandal
1713467;1505291226;BingoBoingo;^ In other "Think of the Children!"
1713468;1505291430;BingoBoingo;Win https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6zq3ib/hillary_clinton_asked_what_happened_to_seth_rich/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=The_Donald
1713469;1505291488;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/V8dVBOx.jpg
1713470;1505295789;phf;i think tmsr keyboard should be made with traditional fortepiano technology, ebony keys with ivory letter inlays, maple casing, etc.
1713471;1505295825;phf;it will also come with proper pedals, like ascii always wanted
1713472;1505295850;phf;http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4100/4898306355_eec6410f0b_z.jpg
1713473;1505308430;asciilifeform;'Your face is now your password. Face ID is a secure new way to unlock, authenticate, and pay.'
1713474;1505308454;asciilifeform;lol, just when i thought that crapple might have hit retardation rockbottom...
1713475;1505308513;asciilifeform;'The TrueDepth camera analyzes more than 50 different muscle movements to mirror your expressions in 12 Animoji. Reveal your inner panda, pig, or robot.'
1713476;1505308638;shinohai;More like reveal your inner Cattle.
1713477;1505310401;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BF3562F1A4B6C4581EC3633162E02492667D4C66178258073D7E3AE232DD0D3C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1706...5337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.63 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.63 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (2377.ovz-ssd6.hc.ru. RU)
1713478;1505310401;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BF3562F1A4B6C4581EC3633162E02492667D4C66178258073D7E3AE232DD0D3C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1374...8923 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.63 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.63 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (2377.ovz-ssd6.hc.ru. RU)
1713479;1505313269;asciilifeform;^ http://ulady.ru << exactly what it looks like
1713480;1505313316;asciilifeform;'how to propose' 'how to delay or hasten menses' ... 'exercises for bigger tits' 'how to please a man' ...
1713481;1505317344;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713470 << ~organ~ tech, phf, organ. 88 keyz ain't a comp kbd.
1713482;1505317344;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 09:43 phf: i think tmsr keyboard should be made with traditional fortepiano technology, ebony keys with ivory letter inlays, maple casing, etc.
1713483;1505317425;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713468 << i'm still waiting for the brezhnev-yeltsin state-of-the-art to come back -- guard with tranquilizer gun, 'oh she felt unwell'
1713484;1505317425;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 08:30 BingoBoingo: Win https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6zq3ib/hillary_clinton_asked_what_happened_to_seth_rich/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=The_Donald
1713485;1505320785;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/xFSpv << '...statue of Thomas Jefferson in black Tuesday night during a rally criticizing the university’s response to recent white nationalist demonstrations...' etc lulz >> qntra fodder ?
1713486;1505320802;asciilifeform;'They covered the statue of the university’s founder, and signs reading “racist” and “rapist” were placed on it.'
1713487;1505321460;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform
1713488;1505322003;trinque;such racism, to assume that sally hemings couldn't possibly have *liked* jefferson.
1713489;1505322148;BingoBoingo;^
1713490;1505322552;shinohai;In other racisms: http://archive.is/CDDMX
1713491;1505322798;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Well, for the real deal on tht you have to go to the ever trendy open air "produce market" http://soulardmarketstl.com/
1713492;1505322824;BingoBoingo;Note that they leave off the old Sunday program from their www
1713493;1505322876;asciilifeform;!!up apeloyee
1713494;1505322877;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1713495;1505322923;shinohai;Wait, slaves aren't produce?
1713496;1505322969;apeloyee;would O(N^2) modular multiplication be too slow?
1713497;1505323054;asciilifeform;apeloyee: anything that beats multiply-then-divide is an improvement, so long as it meets the basic demands ( constant time, constant space, NO branches that depend on input bits, no use of approximations, no massively heavy - 100 loc is a good approx max - code )
1713498;1505323140;asciilifeform;i.e. 0 * 0 mod 0 must result in the execution of exactly the same sequence of cpu cycles, as maxwidthint * maxwidthint mod maxwidthint .
1713499;1505323236;asciilifeform;likewise it also demands that there be NO table lookups
1713500;1505323240;asciilifeform;and no precomputations.
1713501;1505323262;asciilifeform;and no special requirements for operands ( e.g. montgomery or barrett reduction are out. )
1713502;1505323340;asciilifeform;this means that yes it has to work on , e.g., even moduli. or moduli that are substantially larger, or smaller, than either or both of the multiplicands.
1713503;1505323410;asciilifeform;( modulus and both multiplicands have same bit width, and if you read the rest of ffa as has been posted here, you will know that NO such thing as normalization ever takes place, or will ever take place, all operands are assumed to be N-bit )
1713504;1505323459;asciilifeform;anyway i think that sums it up, apeloyee
1713505;1505323567;asciilifeform;( i can already hear mircea_popescu going 'hahah, mod 0' )
1713506;1505323855;trinque;where's your finite field now!
1713507;1505323866;asciilifeform;wat
1713508;1505323891;trinque;divide by zero joke; I'll show myself out
1713509;1505323908;asciilifeform;lol
1713510;1505324132;asciilifeform;trinque: currently my angle is, to try and make constantspacetime recursive divide&conquer division
1713511;1505324147;asciilifeform;( instead of the constantspacetimeized knuth division currently in there )
1713512;1505324158;asciilifeform;probably the only actual optimization possible.
1713513;1505324165;apeloyee;what woud be wrong with barrett reduction if you calculate a sufficiently precise reciprocal of modulus N,i.e. (maxint+1)^2/N?
1713514;1505324182;apeloyee;((maxint+1)^2)/N
1713515;1505324214;asciilifeform;several things.
1713516;1505324230;asciilifeform;apeloyee: for instance, how do you propose to carry out the corrector/verifier without using conditionals ?
1713517;1505324246;asciilifeform;understand, the program may NOT include 'if' or any equivalent.
1713518;1505324250;apeloyee;same way as with divisions.
1713519;1505324294;asciilifeform;knuth division 'restorer' fires either once or not at all
1713520;1505324297;asciilifeform;so it's one mux
1713521;1505324303;apeloyee;yes.
1713522;1505324313;asciilifeform;so how many mux ops would you give for barrett ?
1713523;1505324317;asciilifeform;and prove that it works.
1713524;1505324595;asciilifeform;other thing, apeloyee , is that if ffa does NOT operate on mixed bitnesses. i.e. if your operands are B bits, and you introduced an intermediate of some kind that is 2B bitness, now ALL of your computations with that must be 2B wide (incl. comparisons, nullity checks.)
1713525;1505324609;asciilifeform;this is why it was so tricky to implement karatsuba.
1713526;1505324634;asciilifeform;no ffa basic op will accept operands of unequal bitnesses.
1713527;1505324643;asciilifeform;this is intentional and isn't going to change.
1713528;1505324707;asciilifeform;!!up apeloyee
1713529;1505324708;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1713530;1505324869;asciilifeform;now this isn't even all. how the fuck do you intend to calculate the reciprocal WITHOUT DOING THE SAME DIVISION I'M DOING NOW
1713531;1505324878;asciilifeform;except in 2x the bitness.
1713532;1505324893;asciilifeform;( which costs 4x as much. and then all the garbage that follows .)
1713533;1505324934;apeloyee;reciprocal can be calculated with newton's method
1713534;1505324992;asciilifeform;is it not getting through that once you introduce a 2B-bit item, you are working in ffa of 2B bitness ?
1713535;1505325023;asciilifeform;the only reason we are able to avoid this in karatsubamulter, is that the 2B is ~never~ treated as one number except on output, it is dealt with in parts
1713536;1505325108;apeloyee;can't extract a reduced-length number?
1713537;1505325155;asciilifeform;if you made the double-wide reciprocal ( i will leave aside the question of how to do this in provable constant time and provable correctness ) you're stuck using that width.
1713538;1505325163;asciilifeform;for the rest of the barrett algo.
1713539;1505325252;asciilifeform;and incidentally barrett , as iirc i mentioned in yesterday's thread, requires that a*b < n^2.
1713540;1505325263;asciilifeform;this is not compatible with my demand of a fully general modular mult op.
1713541;1505325321;asciilifeform;so this really makes the question of whether barrett could, in principle, be made in constant spacetime, academic.
1713542;1505325375;asciilifeform;ffa modular mult MUST produce correct answer for ALL possible inputs a,b,n.
1713543;1505325402;asciilifeform;( n will not be 0, but aside from this all possible bitstrings are legal. )
1713544;1505325432;asciilifeform;and none may result in any deviation from fixed spacetime ( so no 'use barrett if we can, use montgomery if we can...' etc. NO IFs. )
1713545;1505325556;apeloyee;standard barrett requires a*b<n^2, yes. hence I specified the double-precision reciprocal.
1713546;1505325592;apeloyee;(i'm not talking about floating point, if that's not obvious)
1713547;1505325597;asciilifeform;no i get it
1713548;1505325701;asciilifeform;apeloyee: if you want to write out the full algo, i'll read
1713549;1505325710;asciilifeform;( put in wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com or elsewhere )
1713550;1505325887;apeloyee;does "full" include newton's algo with correctness proof?
1713551;1505326000;asciilifeform;ideallly. i don't have a fixedtime reciprocal finder.
1713552;1505326033;asciilifeform;and it doesn't afaik exist anywhere to crib.
1713553;1505326073;asciilifeform;currently it seems to me that the reciprocal step ~alone~ will cost more than my knuthdivision residue finder in its entirety.
1713554;1505326086;asciilifeform;this is why barrett is only used in the field when the modulus stays constant.
1713555;1505326364;mircea_popescu;and in other acts of solitude, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a9b75079a9a4270bfdf54bf3d94c88a2/tumblr_nv3gqw7wds1uos8l5o1_1280.jpg
1713556;1505326393;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1713557;1505326400;mircea_popescu;hola!
1713558;1505326459;asciilifeform;apeloyee: out of curiosity, who might you be ? log lurker ?
1713559;1505326464;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713462 << i suspect back before the "end of the world" people had a firm dislike for "life changing prizes". because hadn't experienced disruption in the proper sense ; and understood the lottery winner problems.
1713560;1505326464;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 03:48 BingoBoingo: AHA, until late 1990's that was US gameshow maximum prize! Then inflation
1713561;1505326489;mircea_popescu;they also didn't have eg "total make-over" shows and so on.
1713562;1505326509;apeloyee;asciilifeform: yes.
1713563;1505326516;asciilifeform;!!up apeloyee
1713564;1505326516;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1713565;1505326598;apeloyee;ok, i'll think and come later.
1713566;1505326629;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, after the millionaire show and a few other mega jackpots the game shows transitioned to "reality tv" which at first had prizes and then simply came with attention and opportunity to make own fortune or peril
1713567;1505326640;asciilifeform;apeloyee: consider registering with deedbot, you can voice then.
1713568;1505326646;BingoBoingo;(Duck Dynasty vs teen mom outcomes)
1713569;1505326778;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : a)  http://cartooncon.org/ b) http://www.cartooncon.org/wp-content/xzi/caiozri.php?id=deocamdata-sinonim
1713570;1505326895;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sorta how porn transitioned from finding teenagers looking to explore the world to producing vanity tapes so rando hookers can pretend to be "pornstars" for an extra 10 bucks in the vip room.
1713571;1505326904;BingoBoingo;aha
1713572;1505326918;BingoBoingo;It's where the money pushes the business
1713573;1505326934;mircea_popescu;more like where the epic failure of management to manage the business leaves it stranded.
1713574;1505326943;mircea_popescu;you can't lose the teenaged sluts, with your head.
1713575;1505326961;mircea_popescu;once it's a story of stupid old women, it's history.
1713576;1505327046;apeloyee;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1D1X2/?raw=true
1713577;1505327050;deedbot;BAD04B14A4545828FABCE63C3DB30625393C0BB1 registered as apeloyee.
1713578;1505327061;BingoBoingo;Well, yes. fail to manage and the money pushes everything to Walmart
1713579;1505327084;asciilifeform;!!rate apeloyee 1 barrett reductionist
1713580;1505327086;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HEa8i/?raw=true
1713581;1505327105;mircea_popescu;o.O
1713582;1505327108;asciilifeform;!!v 4E12C2B974FD1B07418EF6117A72E7D4A631876859A009A4756568B2B246F511
1713583;1505327108;deedbot;asciilifeform rated apeloyee 1 << barrett reductionist
1713584;1505327329;BingoBoingo;Failure to manage is exactly how the fortunes bestowed to select members of the urban underpriviledged get captured by Amway and other MLM scams. It's also the story of Bitcoin history from Obsi through Gigavps through labcoin to Ether huffing. Money naturally attracts old women who want it to turn into a Walmart, but a "nicer" one than the neighbors have.
1713585;1505327349;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1713586;1505327507;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713471 << and be part of an actual car (submarine-hellicopter) with the generator in the trunk and the bitchez sunning themselves on teh roof ?
1713587;1505327507;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 09:43 phf: it will also come with proper pedals, like ascii always wanted
1713588;1505327519;BingoBoingo;And the "nicer" Walmart always gets beat by the better at spreadsheets in space walmart as old women get their 3 status items of not being poor from the faddy not-Walmart and race the rest of their money to the bottom walmart
1713589;1505327560;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i kinda always wondered why exactly the SUV craze stopped. i mean, once you give up on sense, there's no way to land, is there ? they could have made a DOUBLE SIZED "car", that takes up two lanes, and could carry that much more injected plastic on the frame.
1713590;1505327595;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had an article re why stopped
1713591;1505327605;asciilifeform;the one with 'and then they decided, the roads will not be maintained'
1713592;1505327627;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It transformed into "Crossover" craze. iirc pete_dushenski has a blog on this.
1713593;1505327677;BingoBoingo;Crossover being a tall station wagon like peak hype cashgrab SUV, except pretense of leaving road abandoned.
1713594;1505327726;BingoBoingo;Well, not usually station wagons so much as hatchbacks like Ye olde economy cars
1713595;1505327748;BingoBoingo;!~google "Ford Edge"
1713596;1505327750;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: 2017 Ford ® Edge SUV |2.7L Ecoboost® - The Most Powerful Gas ...: <https://www.ford.com/suvs-crossovers/edge/2017/>; 2017 Ford Edge - Build & Price: <http://shop.ford.com/build/edge/>; Ford Edge Prices, Reviews and Pictures | U.S. News & World Report: <https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/ford/edge>
1713597;1505327757;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i watched last night "fun with dick and jane", which is a fine throwaway. other than tea leoni making a way the fuck better applegate/bancroft/whatever (these typically ustardian huswife of businessman roles, where businessman is one of those schmucks doing nothing, "vp of ziggler-engels" sorta thyings). but the interestinfg part is : the guy gets a promotion. the signalling signs of this promotion are, that they
1713598;1505327757;mircea_popescu;dig up a new pool, that she quits her job, and that they EAT A STEAK.
1713599;1505327775;shinohai; Or this monstrosity:
1713600;1505327782;shinohai;!~google Porsche Cayenne
1713601;1505327784;jhvh1;shinohai: Porsche All Cayenne Models - Porsche USA: <http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/>; Porsche Cayenne Models - Porsche USA: <http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-models/>; Porsche Cayenne - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Cayenne>
1713602;1505327795;mircea_popescu;leaving aside how that 98lb woman could NOT have eaten the 18 oz porterhouse she served herself in two days : really doods, to finally afford 10 bucks wortha meat you gotta be promoted to floor 51 ?!
1713603;1505327802;mircea_popescu;but this is old woman walmart shopping.
1713604;1505327803;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: lol, in usia only very poor and very rich get steak
1713605;1505327834;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you should have seen that thing, it was a proper tenderloin, all of it. which you know, you do if you have a dozen people coming.
1713606;1505327847;BingoBoingo;Oh my!
1713607;1505327851;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe i misunderstand something, but that actually should have been an argument for, not against.
1713608;1505327870;asciilifeform;from buyer's pov it'd be a 'for' yes
1713609;1505327884;asciilifeform;but buyer gets the 4ring binder he is given, not the 77-ring he dreamed of.
1713610;1505327992;mircea_popescu;no, i mean from the following cultural perspective : for as long as road network continues growing, the user wants massive, impressive beast of a steel machine. to show his supremacy over the attendant landscape in proper context (ie, he's affraid of the wilderness roads expand into). once expansion stops, he wants an efficient little thing, to get it over the next guy (ie, he's affraid of neighbour). and once road network st
1713611;1505327992;mircea_popescu;arts actually getting kicked back, jungle taking over, he wants a MEGA INSANE DYSFUNCTIONAL ITEM (ie, he is now affraid of sense -- because all thatr sense has to say to him is "you're fucked|" )
1713612;1505328042;asciilifeform;that last one only worx in era of infinite cheap petrol
1713613;1505328056;mircea_popescu;usg petrol is half price atm, and has been for a decade.
1713614;1505328071;mircea_popescu;it's ~5bux a gallon in costa rica, romania, sweden, you name it.
1713615;1505328078;asciilifeform;evidently lizard gosplan doesn't expect infinite continuation of this
1713616;1505328089;asciilifeform;or bush-era 'hummer' would still be sold.
1713617;1505328091;mircea_popescu;im not so sure consumer crazes are part of teh gosplan
1713618;1505328100;mircea_popescu;oh, that got shelved ?! WOW
1713619;1505328105;asciilifeform;long ago
1713620;1505328128;mircea_popescu;i guess it shows how closely i'm following.
1713621;1505328130;asciilifeform;and 'what kind of auto is sold' is eminently, unabashedly controlled by usg gosplan
1713622;1505328135;mircea_popescu;so what do rappers do now, priusen ?
1713623;1505328137;asciilifeform;( as seen in the wv idiocy )
1713624;1505328168;asciilifeform;pagin BingoBoingo ... what do they do ? ( 'tesla' ?! )
1713625;1505328187;mircea_popescu;ahahaha no fucking way, lumea s-a schimbat, hipster rapper driving lawnmower ?
1713626;1505328249;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Last I checked they did euro supercars and bespoke super suvs.
1713627;1505328299;BingoBoingo;Everyone else drives crossovers because they suppose it lives in exact middle
1713628;1505328328;BingoBoingo;between trabangini and trabanHummer
1713629;1505328361;mircea_popescu;what;s euro supercars here, like maybach ?
1713630;1505328388;asciilifeform;jagdtiger
1713631;1505328406;mircea_popescu;(they did make the p3)
1713632;1505328412;BingoBoingo;Maserati seems to be the one I see on road least un-often
1713633;1505328418;mircea_popescu;ah
1713634;1505328446;mircea_popescu;vinegarcar
1713635;1505328461;BingoBoingo;Alfa Romeo returned to States recently and is marketing itself being Italian as meaning alt-ferarri
1713636;1505328473;mircea_popescu;they're all the same, you realise, fiat's maybach
1713637;1505328509;mircea_popescu;(maybach was an old luxury brand bought by mercedes ; maserati idem, early 1900s brand, bought by fiat ; spun off with alpha romeo and abarth recently cuz who wants a fiat)
1713638;1505328529;BingoBoingo;Well fiat by buying Chrylser seems to have went "we were fascist too, just as better as Daimler Benz" Which previously owned chysler when chrysler was Mitsubishi
1713639;1505328554;mircea_popescu;(and ftr, it's fca ie fiat-chrysler)
1713640;1505328558;mircea_popescu;aha
1713641;1505328600;BingoBoingo;Was Daimler Chrysler with US products being "Diamond Star Motors" or whatever the fuck mitsubishis
1713642;1505328639;BingoBoingo;With Mitsubishi itself being the only Japanese automaker in US whose name is anti-associated with reliability
1713643;1505328678;mircea_popescu;the demographic slices lulz are best enjoyed by the traveller btw. in argentina, they ACTUALLY ADVERTISE "french technology" in automotive industry.
1713644;1505328679;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> pagin BingoBoingo ... what do they do ? ( 'tesla' ?! ) << Fuck they all drive Dodges!
1713645;1505328684;mircea_popescu;as if it were a thing.
1713646;1505328707;BingoBoingo;Dodge challenger/Charger is the trend
1713647;1505328718;mircea_popescu;i expect this is because dodge is paying ?
1713648;1505328728;BingoBoingo;Prolly.
1713649;1505328776;BingoBoingo;Also doing the thing where they sell the public big numbers of horsepower or at least appearance thereof
1713650;1505328799;BingoBoingo;Commericals feature "X vehicles over 400 horsepower"
1713651;1505328801;mircea_popescu;dodge is making high power cars nao ?
1713652;1505328828;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Like they did in early 1970's
1713653;1505328844;mircea_popescu;i thought they were trying for the economy thing. didn't take huh.
1713654;1505328898;BingoBoingo;Yeah, it didn't take. through Mitsubishi years they did economy thing with lonely Viper and Neon SRT-4 being only power offerings that weren't trucks
1713655;1505328932;asciilifeform;when usa physical reality finally converges to the economic reality, i'd expect revival of the motorcycle. but for some reason not happened yet
1713656;1505328947;mircea_popescu;moar like the nazy 2 seater item.
1713657;1505328953;mircea_popescu;that -- great for bad terrain.
1713658;1505328955;asciilifeform;aha with sidecar
1713659;1505328963;asciilifeform;i have a neighbour who has, i shit thee not, a 'ural'
1713660;1505328964;BingoBoingo;Dodge/Ford/Chevy are all sorta competing on pwoer angle. Except Ford/Chevy also are keeping some economy options.
1713661;1505328967;asciilifeform;imported from ru.
1713662;1505328977;mircea_popescu;prolly will be moar like dune trike, but yes
1713663;1505328992;mircea_popescu;what was that englishj lulzcar on 3 wheels, we had it in log.
1713664;1505328992;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: A couple towns away there is Vespa/Ural dealer
1713665;1505329030;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where i live one still sees these ~exclusively in the warm months, driven by hobbyists -- rather than commuters who can't afford petrol for a 4cyl
1713666;1505329031;mircea_popescu;vespa is massively popular here for some reason.
1713667;1505329036;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> when usa physical reality finally converges to the economic reality, i'd expect revival of the motorcycle. but for some reason not happened yet << This summer there's been more of them locally than in recent history. Much of the US though has winter...
1713668;1505329043;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA
1713669;1505329071;shinohai;AH THE RELIANT ROBIN mircea_popescu
1713670;1505329074;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the bmw r75 will do ice.
1713671;1505329075;shinohai;bwahahahaha
1713672;1505329079;mircea_popescu;a yeah right shinohai
1713673;1505329094;shinohai;Those things are hilarious. Absolutely 0 og
1713674;1505329100;shinohai;*center of gravity
1713675;1505329108;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo the bmw r75 will do ice. << Still requires skill
1713676;1505329128;mircea_popescu;well sure.
1713677;1505329144;mircea_popescu;though you realise the side wheel is driven
1713678;1505329152;mircea_popescu;so it's not as bad irl as one imagines.
1713679;1505329179;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there were some zundapps still on the road when asciilifeform was a boy, in orcistan
1713680;1505329185;asciilifeform;probably same in mircea_popesculandia
1713681;1505329206;mircea_popescu;yeah, in the end they won the war of the sidecar bikes did they
1713682;1505329206;asciilifeform;ftr ural sidewheel is driven also ( more or less exact copy )
1713683;1505329269;asciilifeform;at one time i thought 'hm would be nifty to get an ural' but then noticed that d00d has the pistons laid out on a towel in his front yard, more often that i ever hear or see the machine actually go
1713684;1505329336;mircea_popescu;this is not necessarily bike's fault.
1713685;1505329340;mircea_popescu;some people have head issues.
1713686;1505329416;asciilifeform;i've yet to meet anybody who disassembles engine just for the hell of it
1713687;1505329418;asciilifeform;but whoknows
1713688;1505329428;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713479 << Изнеженное дворянство еще не раз будет возвращать в обиход декольте. looks like liberal reuse of old fishwrapper clippings ?
1713689;1505329428;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 14:34 asciilifeform: ^ http://ulady.ru << exactly what it looks like
1713690;1505329474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whole thing is more or less the customary english clickfarm, but with order of magnitude less pantsuit (e.g. instead of clitler pieces, 'magnify yer tits' etc )
1713691;1505329489;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713483 << iirc pantsuited hilarity did feel such unwell at some point.
1713692;1505329489;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 15:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713468 << i'm still waiting for the brezhnev-yeltsin state-of-the-art to come back -- guard with tranquilizer gun, 'oh she felt unwell'
1713693;1505329535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes, because the free strings they can get hands on were written in 1980 by gosplan as quoted, rather than in 2000 by perianne boring aspie
1713694;1505329569;asciilifeform;aha
1713695;1505329580;asciilifeform;and visible even to my untrained eye.
1713696;1505329613;mircea_popescu;filter feeders will be you know, filters. kinda why so popular semiology sources in marine biology.
1713697;1505329691;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713488 << rather, could have possibly liked BEING MANHANDLED by jefferson ~or whatever other white boy was willing~.
1713698;1505329691;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 17:00 trinque: such racism, to assume that sally hemings couldn't possibly have *liked* jefferson.
1713699;1505329732;mircea_popescu;all the dogs i ever met were thrilled to be scratched behind ears whenever and whichever way you felt like, the warm glow of "omfg, i am being handled BY HUMAN!!!" visibly overpowering all "thoughts" such as they had in their dog brain.
1713700;1505329760;mircea_popescu;the proposition that there existed black woman in the time discussed who didn't similarily bask in "omfg, WHITE MAN!!! is scratching me between the legs" is out and out ridiculous anachronism.
1713701;1505329837;mircea_popescu;what exactly am i asked to believe, that woman whose name only exists because she was bought by jefferson family somehow had other priorities ? like what, sexual congress with the black males ? odds are she'd have rather fucked a donkey.
1713702;1505329866;mircea_popescu;heck, they don't wanna fuck them as it is, TODAY! look through the dating sites, two thirds of black female profiles indicate "no black males" in some manner (such as, "no gangstas" or whatever)
1713703;1505329907;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only fucked jefferson, but slept in his bed, did his paperwork.
1713704;1505329914;mircea_popescu;sure.
1713705;1505329944;asciilifeform;j was by some accounts an introverted d00d, did not much get along with chix, after his wife died decided to solve problem 'the sexbot way'
1713706;1505329952;mircea_popescu;and if they had been jewish, all her older female relatives would have gotten misty in the cobweb, "omfg he's a DOCTOR!!!"
1713707;1505329982;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a lot more common than realised, on account of accomplished adult male not having patience for the older female only mode of life (the claque).
1713708;1505330142;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> j was by some accounts an introverted d00d, did not much get along with chix, after his wife died decided to solve problem 'the sexbot way' << Not 'sexbot way', in the way his time and place handled much beloved mistress; such status is indicated by liberation as opposed to re-sale of the resultant octaroon children at their coming of age (as opposed to Jefferson's death).
1713709;1505330161;mircea_popescu;this is a solid point.
1713710;1505330173;mircea_popescu;the particular woman in question was yes, domestic slavegirl, it's a thing, it works well.
1713711;1505330181;asciilifeform;worked a-ok for him
1713712;1505330182;mircea_popescu;but the more general points of "rape" and "racism" were being discussed.
1713713;1505330204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it'd work a-ok for all the current ronin ones.
1713714;1505330224;mircea_popescu;the pretention that "they have other things to do" a flimsy wrapper over the obvious "you've nobody that'd take you in"
1713715;1505330225;trinque;got to take trip(s) to paris, etc, didn't she?
1713716;1505330227;trinque;what a life
1713717;1505330242;mircea_popescu;iirc.
1713718;1505330251;trinque;but no, I'm sure she'd have rather blacklivesmattered loudly somewhere dressed in walmart rags
1713719;1505330263;mircea_popescu;jefferson was, in truth, a bit of a lulzfest after his unseating. somewhat of an early us ron paul / jirinowski etc.
1713720;1505330268;mircea_popescu;nonsensical-populist.
1713721;1505330286;mircea_popescu;at the time, this was called "agrarian"
1713722;1505330299;mircea_popescu;but if it's not fucking obvious that in 1800 agrarianism is another word for nonsense...
1713723;1505330307;asciilifeform;at least had the sense to mostly withdraw from public life
1713724;1505330314;asciilifeform;into woodworking or what was it.
1713725;1505330319;mircea_popescu;really, ran on the time's MAGA platform, got nowhere.
1713726;1505330335;mircea_popescu;not enough popdensity for populism to work politically yet.
1713727;1505330475;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> nonsensical-populist. << And not Pantsuit took over the party he founded
1713728;1505330497;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, the arrangement where the woman is a slave (like every sultan's consort up to roxana) and her offspring ARE SLAVES TOO until such a time father thinks otherwise (which yes, can be coming of age, if ever) is probably best way to do it.
1713729;1505330513;mircea_popescu;way the fuck cheaper socially than my stricter "i will only have children in a society where i get to decide if they live or die"
1713730;1505330552;trinque;romans would toss the duds into slavery, eh? similar outputs?
1713731;1505330559;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well, us "parties" history is funny in that having no proper substance of their own (let alone ideology, bridge too far) they keep osciallting throiugh the same zero both. it's like centennial switcharoo game.
1713732;1505330570;mircea_popescu;trinque it is better to be elevated than cast down.
1713733;1505330579;trinque;I can see that point
1713734;1505330611;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, the flip is happening Great Again!
1713735;1505330662;BingoBoingo;So long as Trump can pull GOP to electoral sweet spot of a little economically liberal and a lotta socially conservative
1713736;1505330664;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713729 << this is not even a correct statement. more properly "i will desist killing all my offspring before gestation completes if and only if my sovereign right to kill them at any time is socially recognized".
1713737;1505330664;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 19:21 mircea_popescu: way the fuck cheaper socially than my stricter "i will only have children in a society where i get to decide if they live or die"
1713738;1505330886;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/civil-unrest-continues-in-charleston-leftist-culture-warriors-move-historical-revisionism-target-to-university-founder-thomas-jefferson/ << Qntra - Civil Unrest Continues In Charleston: Leftist Culture Warriors Move Historical Revisionism Target To University Founder Thomas Jefferson
1713739;1505330887;mircea_popescu;anyway, since nobody apparently got the faberge egg bait, let's put it in the logs. so yes on the substance front i asked alf if he knows what it is because it is in fact stained glass, except with gold instead of lead and porcelain instead of glass, ie just like his properly cast key, piston-and-typeface in metal, bulk in porcelain.
1713740;1505330930;mircea_popescu;but on the significance front i asked because the principal preoccupation of the russian tsar afrter the french went stupid was to rescue as much of the old world industry stack as possible, which is how jhe ended up with swiss, austrian, french etc manufacturers.
1713741;1505330982;mircea_popescu;that "trademark" is now owned by unilever, as you might've guessed, and it's used to sell items in qatar, as you might've also guessed. the point being that the poor rich arabs are trying to salvage whatever's left of the tsar's pile of salvaged material, today.
1713742;1505330993;asciilifeform;lol!
1713743;1505330996;*;asciilifeform had nfi
1713744;1505330997;mircea_popescu;we're at the third pass of midden filtering! think about it!
1713745;1505331048;mircea_popescu;and no, none of the "three for five bux, plastic injected and happy face" is in any way competition (or god help us replacement!) for what's here discussed.
1713746;1505331072;asciilifeform;i thought those were late 19th c tech tho
1713747;1505331076;mircea_popescu;entirely orthogonal tech stacks ; and wouldn't you know it that the simple man's reaction to perceptible orthogonality is to pick one and pretend the rest dun exist.
1713748;1505331085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform define those ?
1713749;1505331101;asciilifeform;the eggs
1713750;1505331105;mircea_popescu;absolutely not.
1713751;1505331127;mircea_popescu;before europe went stupid, and blacklivesmatter all over itself, there was a major concern with making mechanical life.
1713752;1505331138;asciilifeform;made in 1880s, neh
1713753;1505331138;mircea_popescu;hence all the clock towers with figurines, and about 50% of german lands gdp.
1713754;1505331145;mircea_popescu;starting in 1720s!
1713755;1505331152;mircea_popescu;it's a longer running item than computing!
1713756;1505331159;mircea_popescu;and btw, it DID discover computing! hence mechanical calculators.
1713757;1505331166;mircea_popescu;it is also WHY laplace hjappened.
1713758;1505331179;asciilifeform;i recall the automata, von kempelen et al
1713759;1505331183;mircea_popescu;dood could have been a general discussing importantly female transsexuals in the french expeditionary force
1713760;1505331204;mircea_popescu;but the preoccupations of the culture at the time were such that INSTEAD he "of his own" "preferred" to solve some important geometry problemsa
1713761;1505331215;mircea_popescu;so the austrian orfevres could make better movements for their puppets.
1713762;1505331221;asciilifeform;incidentally afaik von kempelen's mechanical voicebox was never replicated even to this day
1713763;1505331226;asciilifeform;( we had the thread, possibly )
1713764;1505331262;mircea_popescu;so : the faberge egg, the original, was made in 1885 ; but it was the continuation and in a sense the crowing of a current of thought (ie, culture) and proper civilisation that reached back over a centry.
1713765;1505331290;asciilifeform;i can picture it. and specifically what mircea_popescu meant, re 'craftsmanship' tech as opposed to industrial/scalables
1713766;1505331300;mircea_popescu;yes. different concerns entirely.
1713767;1505331317;mircea_popescu;but the point remains that the high performance lathe was invented FOR THIS not for that!
1713768;1505331344;mircea_popescu;and laplace existed BECAUSE OF THIS not because "i fucking love science" and "you like nerds, fuck one" ie "we want to get more science".
1713769;1505331364;mircea_popescu;and broadly speaking -- that without THIS neither laplace nor the lathe are happening, period and full stop.
1713770;1505331382;asciilifeform;lathe driven moar by musketry than by fine art tho
1713771;1505331413;mircea_popescu;more importantly -- that the chinese DID takle over "industry", as well they should ; but that survival and prosperity depends on THIS. let them have THAT industry, it's actually a great fit for them.
1713772;1505331429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's two kinds of people -- and only one of them comes back from the war to complain about the boots.
1713773;1505331432;mircea_popescu;guess which is which.
1713774;1505331476;asciilifeform;did we ever do the chronometer thing ? a bit like that there egg, likewise craftsman 'unindustrial' product, and made the british navy briefly +ev
1713775;1505331500;mircea_popescu;(and to round off the above : consider that the first metallic aluminum was shaped into a box and offered to the same person as the ironclad drawings were offered. whyssat ? cuz that's how all science flew back when people could control it.)
1713776;1505331509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeswedid.
1713777;1505331545;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enough there is a monument to this aluminum right here . washington obelisk has a top, 'priceless' pyramid of al
1713778;1505331564;mircea_popescu;yea.
1713779;1505331569;asciilifeform;made at the time when the royal aluminum spoon gift etc.
1713780;1505331609;*;asciilifeform wonders if some modern monarch ever was given an aerogel spoon
1713781;1505331631;mircea_popescu;or dildo.
1713782;1505331642;mircea_popescu;"your higheness, have your favourite slave fuck herself in the ass with it!"
1713783;1505331728;*;mircea_popescu would be genuinely curious if this could be done. on one hand trained girl can do wonders with ass, on other hand that thing is fragile as all fuck...
1713784;1505331744;asciilifeform;could be done
1713785;1505331763;asciilifeform;and not only could be, but could be attached to the end of a red hot poker , and subject would feel no heat
1713786;1505331896;*;asciilifeform half-expected mircea_popescu to say that he already had owned aerogel dildo.
1713787;1505331923;mircea_popescu;lol.
1713788;1505332000;mircea_popescu;no, gotta leave something for the industrious to gift.
1713789;1505332431;mircea_popescu;https://dn-geekpark-new.qbox.me/uploads/image/file/25/77/2577520ddc5fb91082bd7d3b12fe8e69.jpg << very much artpiece.
1713790;1505332467;asciilifeform;famous pic
1713791;1505332471;mircea_popescu;aha.
1713792;1505332479;asciilifeform;i recall seeing it in print, even
1713793;1505332488;mircea_popescu;well you print things
1713794;1505332488;asciilifeform;iirc early 1990s ( pre-pantsuitization ) sci-am mag.
1713795;1505332495;mircea_popescu;:p
1713796;1505332499;asciilifeform;naah loong ago
1713797;1505332636;asciilifeform;aerogel'd make a spiffy pedestal for sram pc...
1713798;1505332679;*;asciilifeform has a coffin notebook little list of items that nobody knows how to produce industrially, and so never expects to touch with own hands
1713799;1505332716;asciilifeform;it's really half the attraction of having own decent lab setup
1713800;1505332856;asciilifeform;some folx make holographs today, in their cellars, it is i suspect the same attraction. rather like colour film in 1930s
1713801;1505332871;asciilifeform;'want it? gotta do it yerself, corner store won't even dream of it'
1713802;1505332918;asciilifeform;( personal comp in 1970s. etc )
1713803;1505332956;asciilifeform;there is imho a marked difference tho b/w 'nobody mass produces this' and 'nobody knows how'
1713804;1505333023;asciilifeform;( possible example of the former -- http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-18#982523 ; of the latter -- aerogels )
1713805;1505333023;a111;Logged on 2015-01-18 21:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: head-worn displays are considered, by usg, to be key military tech (all existing manufacturers of serious - i.e. svga and above units - supply usg exclusively)
1713806;1505333310;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you realise thermic isolation is a time function, yes ? eventually all parts of assemblage do end up in thermic equilibrium, there's no pill for this. insulation just makes it take longer is all.
1713807;1505333407;*;mircea_popescu waves at phf. check it out, we can wreck your logs for multiple days in a row!
1713808;1505333724;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713497 << man your answers are terrible! what happened to "yes, our current item is O n^3 log n ?" or "no, our current item is n log n" ?
1713809;1505333724;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 17:17 asciilifeform: apeloyee: anything that beats multiply-then-divide is an improvement, so long as it meets the basic demands ( constant time, constant space, NO branches that depend on input bits, no use of approximations, no massively heavy - 100 loc is a good approx max - code )
1713810;1505334950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i know that aerogel ain't a maxwell's demon, lol
1713811;1505334961;mircea_popescu;:p
1713812;1505334961;asciilifeform;but makes a pretty spiffy frying pan handle.
1713813;1505334973;mircea_popescu;yes but only because you fry intermittently. computer is always on.
1713814;1505334979;asciilifeform;trooo
1713815;1505334995;asciilifeform;was thinking of the 'omfg it floats in mid air' rather than thermal aspect, there.
1713816;1505335002;mircea_popescu;now, good insulation DOES model the flow of heat, ie the hotter outer part will cool more before it touches your sram, so not entirely useless.
1713817;1505335006;mircea_popescu;but just saying for teh record.
1713818;1505335097;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713808 << i did assume that d00d read the current coad
1713819;1505335097;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 20:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713497 << man your answers are terrible! what happened to "yes, our current item is O n^3 log n ?" or "no, our current item is n log n" ?
1713820;1505335137;asciilifeform;( typically it is the silent lurkers who read every line of it, oddlyenough )
1713821;1505335142;mircea_popescu;i can't say that i know. what complexity is our current item ?
1713822;1505335158;mircea_popescu;n^3 ?
1713823;1505335167;asciilifeform;as of my last reckoning O(n^3 log n)
1713824;1505335177;mircea_popescu;heavy.
1713825;1505335179;asciilifeform;but i still gotta massage the divider
1713826;1505335188;asciilifeform;right now it is 'egyptian' (knuthian) and goes bitwise
1713827;1505335192;asciilifeform;it oughta go wordwise.
1713828;1505335218;mircea_popescu;aha.
1713829;1505335246;asciilifeform;other observation , gleaned from mircea_popescu and then from knuth -- can modularly ~add~ inside karatsubatron
1713830;1505335250;asciilifeform;and this works out
1713831;1505335319;asciilifeform;( precisely how to do this, i have not yet determined )
1713832;1505335355;mircea_popescu;oh btw, should prolly formalize the function/mechanism thing from yest a bit. so, a function (in the correct, math understanding, a "procedure" in cs lingo is no different, which is why lisp hasn't "procedures") denotes correct results, but does not connote any particular method of obtaining them. this is no good for us, in many military applications, where we must actually specify not merely WHAT is being sought, but also HO
1713833;1505335356;mircea_popescu;W, precisely, it is to be obtained. this is why the concept of "function" as heretofore used is not useful in republican computing, and we must introduce a new item.
1713834;1505335380;mircea_popescu;this new item is to my eyes fundamental pillar of "fit in head", because a thoroughly well understood mechanism can then be relegated to background and built upon.
1713835;1505335398;asciilifeform;what's wrong with 'circuit' ?
1713836;1505335404;asciilifeform;that's what it resolves to.
1713837;1505335407;asciilifeform;show the gates.
1713838;1505335418;mircea_popescu;pure historical accident. you'd rather call it circuit ?
1713839;1505335449;mircea_popescu;there's some common language overload that seems to make "mechanism" preferable, but it's slight and who cares.
1713840;1505335453;asciilifeform;it reflects the reality of what a 'constantspacetime program' really is.
1713841;1505335463;mircea_popescu;this is a solid point.
1713842;1505335466;asciilifeform;and why almost the entirety of the ~useful~ reading material asciilifeform collected, was from iron makers
1713843;1505335520;asciilifeform;outside of perhaps ballooning, continuously-variably-voluminous entities are rare in engineering
1713844;1505335543;asciilifeform;maker of cpu will almost unavoidably take an interest in 'ffa-style' arithmetizing.
1713845;1505335581;mircea_popescu;well, it's the core of the combustion engine, innit ? continuously-variably-voluminous.
1713846;1505335597;asciilifeform;not whole engine, lol
1713847;1505335605;mircea_popescu;:p
1713848;1505335683;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform waitasecond!
1713849;1505335685;mircea_popescu;wtf you mean wordwise ?!
1713850;1505335697;asciilifeform;the way the comba multer works
1713851;1505335706;asciilifeform;notice that it doesn't walk the bits
1713852;1505335728;asciilifeform;( the egyptian multer, now gone -- did walk the bits, and was directly analogous to the knuthian divider )
1713853;1505335731;mircea_popescu;this is the stupidest shit i ever heard. gimme two numbers.
1713854;1505335744;asciilifeform;3, 5
1713855;1505335749;mircea_popescu;8 digit.
1713856;1505335784;asciilifeform;349087340, 753059056
1713857;1505335806;asciilifeform;( shave'em if you like )
1713858;1505336027;asciilifeform;believe or not there are several known subquadratic division algos
1713859;1505336064;asciilifeform;one by jebelean, 'Exact Division with Karatsuba Complexity' , possibly ffaizable.
1713860;1505336117;asciilifeform;( if it can be turned into div with remainder... )
1713861;1505336126;mircea_popescu;Here's how we divide 349087340 to 3059056 :
1713862;1505336126;mircea_popescu;1. we notice that 349087340 being 1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 0110 1100 is 29 bits long. we further notice that 3059056 being 10 1110 1010 1101 0111 0000 is 22 bits long.
1713863;1505336126;mircea_popescu;2. we select the first 22 bits of the dividend, to wit 1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 0 and we compare the divisor to it. as the divisor is larger, we add one further bit, obtaining 1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 01.
1713864;1505336126;mircea_popescu;3. we substract the divisor from this fragment of the divident, obtaning 1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 01 - 10 1110 1010 1101 0111 0000 = 10 0100 1000 1101 0010 1001 (aka 2395433).
1713865;1505336128;mircea_popescu;we continue comparing the divisor, adding bits from the divident's tail and substracting the divident until we run out of digits, at which time we have the remainder. every time we substract we mark down an 1, every time we add digits from the divident's tail we mark down a 0.
1713866;1505336139;mircea_popescu;wtf "wrodwise" ? the only way to do division is divisor-bitsize
1713867;1505336152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you just described our existing divtron aha
1713868;1505336159;mircea_popescu;so then what is bitwise in it ?!
1713869;1505336173;asciilifeform;the fact that it advances a bit at a time ?
1713870;1505336187;asciilifeform;i.e. shifts by 1
1713871;1505336230;mircea_popescu;oh i see what you mean.
1713872;1505336242;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/oVOak/?raw=true << yest's paste for ref
1713873;1505336253;asciilifeform;for i in 1 .. Dividend'Length * Bitness loop ...
1713874;1505336293;mircea_popescu;and since i've this piled in here : to ~multiply~ 349087340 by 3059056 : you create a list 22 items long, that is 29 + 22 bits wide, and you proceed writing down  1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 0110 1100 in it bit-shifted 22 times, nulled on occasion. then you add these terms. right ?
1713875;1505336314;asciilifeform;that was how my first ffa multer worked
1713876;1505336317;asciilifeform;'egyptian algo'
1713877;1505336350;asciilifeform;it was about 100x slower than comba ( current basecase ) and ~150x slower than karatsuba+comba ( currently what we use )
1713878;1505336363;mircea_popescu;aha!
1713879;1505336383;mircea_popescu;is that 100 or 150 related to a particular bitsize ? 8096 ?
1713880;1505336410;asciilifeform;not really
1713881;1505336427;asciilifeform;it flows from the fact that we walked 1 bit, rather than ( on my box ) 64 at a time
1713882;1505336431;asciilifeform;for every single subop
1713883;1505336458;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1713884;1505336462;mircea_popescu;gotta workwalk.
1713885;1505336469;mircea_popescu;word*walk
1713886;1505336482;asciilifeform;i threw out egyptian multer very reluctantly, it was so short an' sweet
1713887;1505336488;mircea_popescu;it is.
1713888;1505336498;asciilifeform;it's what yer cpu still does internally.
1713889;1505336507;asciilifeform;( simplest possible mul )
1713890;1505336512;mircea_popescu;very evidently what it does. at least to the sort of people who learned how to write in longhand and do square roots by hand
1713891;1505336526;asciilifeform;it's how i learned'em
1713892;1505336532;*;mircea_popescu can still do this. 
1713893;1505336560;asciilifeform;the magic of arithmetizing by hand.
1713894;1505336575;mircea_popescu;da fuck is wrong with people these days, i do not know, but i do recall as early teens, 12 yo or so, there was this very exciting moment in school when they imported AN AMERICAN!!! to do some english classes. this was you know, wild wild stuff at the time.
1713895;1505336590;mircea_popescu;and he proceeded to blockprint. which was about as shocking as if he had taken off pants in class.
1713896;1505336599;mircea_popescu;after which we had kid council, decided guy is not really a teacher.
1713897;1505336638;mircea_popescu;because srslty now who the fuck block prints if they ever went to school..
1713898;1505336647;asciilifeform;( it is worth remembering that ffa is not built to be a museum piece, 'shortest physically possible rsa', but grudgingly made concessions liek abandoning egyptian mul -- so long as result is still fixedspacetime -- , so that it can actually be fired in anger . )
1713899;1505336665;mircea_popescu;(it didn't help that it was in the torah of the time, as per saint habarnam gospels, "only blockprinted")
1713900;1505336687;asciilifeform;believe or not, asciilifeform never learned proper latin penmanship.
1713901;1505336714;asciilifeform;it was ~eliminated in the schools shortly before he landed in usa .
1713902;1505336729;mircea_popescu;!~translate Neznayka
1713903;1505336729;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (translate <source language> [to] <target language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <source language> into <target language>.
1713904;1505336744;asciilifeform;i dun think anybody ever translated'im
1713905;1505336747;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en Незнайка
1713906;1505336748;asciilifeform;or hm, maybe that brit d00d
1713907;1505336748;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Dunno
1713908;1505336754;asciilifeform;ahahahahalolno
1713909;1505336757;mircea_popescu;lolk.
1713910;1505336809;asciilifeform;holy SHIT they translatedit
1713911;1505336819;mircea_popescu;there you go! modern science marches on.
1713912;1505336823;asciilifeform;( http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/mir-nosov-dunno.pdf << yes pdf )
1713913;1505336832;asciilifeform;'adventures of dunno and his friends'
1713914;1505337119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imo it's very fucking stupid to show kids how to do plain division by hand, but then NOT also show them how to do square roots. it fucks up the whole purpose ofd the whole thing, paring down a tree branch to a single item.
1713915;1505337138;mircea_popescu;you can not mark them for the latter, i guess, but the point must be made that no, NOTHING EVER STOPS.
1713916;1505337142;asciilifeform;aha it's the thing described in mircea_popescu's 'and then newton sat down to write 3 laws...' article
1713917;1505337152;mircea_popescu;and here's the engineer's sliderule for logs tee hee.
1713918;1505337184;*;asciilifeform pictures rsa sliderule...
1713919;1505337186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a pity all the cancerous fags passing for comedians in pantsuit circles are crowding out the real talent which might be writing exceptional xharms pieces on the basis of current idiocy.
1713920;1505337195;mircea_popescu;"and then newton sat down to write three laws" exactly it.
1713921;1505337260;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en Карасик
1713922;1505337261;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Karasik
1713923;1505337265;mircea_popescu;oh i see!
1713924;1505337295;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1713925;1505337311;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en Калачик
1713926;1505337312;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Kalachik
1713927;1505337352;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en Селедочка
1713928;1505337353;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Herring
1713929;1505337362;asciilifeform;herringess!111
1713930;1505337363;mircea_popescu;oh, like salted ?
1713931;1505337370;asciilifeform;aha but she's a chix
1713932;1505337380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform she's actually a scientix.
1713933;1505337403;asciilifeform;the apotheosis of neznaika series was 'neznaika on the moon', which 'for adults' described moar or less exactly 1990s ruprivatizationlulz
1713934;1505337411;mircea_popescu;see, one's fuchsia, the other's herringette.
1713935;1505337413;asciilifeform;there is a legend that yeltsin swore on a copy instead of bible
1713936;1505337420;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1713937;1505337451;mircea_popescu;afaik "fuchsia herring" never gained coinage in ru, but honestly it's a much better name for "black chicks code" than "black chicks code"
1713938;1505337480;mircea_popescu;(no, the present socialism isn't the first to run headfirst into the female brick wall. who could have predictered!)
1713939;1505337560;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform got a leather-bound 'незнайка на луне' nearly 2wks before the plane , and was in for quite a treat, pictured was stereotypical 'capitalist hell' usa )
1713940;1505337585;mircea_popescu;dja see yest's mentioned throwaway flick btw ?
1713941;1505337616;asciilifeform;notyet
1713942;1505337648;mircea_popescu;also lulzy, in simiular vein, though i wouldn't for a moment call it "capitalist hell". it is pure and simple collapse among the symbols, as typified in teh elevator scene.
1713943;1505337760;mircea_popescu;ie, there's nothing capitalist about it whatsoever ; capitalism does order the disordered symbols in similar manner as longhand does, as an act of civilisation and a point of manifest superiority pointedly absent from the work (or generally ustardian mentality today)
1713944;1505337767;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713586 << i'm pretty sure that's even in logs: we've concluded that ideal ascii item is a moog like thing, installed on a Nautilus
1713945;1505337767;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 18:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713471 << and be part of an actual car (submarine-hellicopter) with the generator in the trunk and the bitchez sunning themselves on teh roof ?
1713946;1505337793;phf;^ http://rollingstoneaus.com/assets/Uploads/1401x788-GettyImages-74702183.jpg
1713947;1505337805;mircea_popescu;yes, but putting that in the log is like putting the goop in the woman. so much fun to do you keep doing it.
1713948;1505337836;asciilifeform;oh hey speaking of lost technology, my noritake itron is here
1713949;1505337855;mircea_popescu;phf you know, for all the foibles, 1970s pop icons DID try a sort of very brusque, uninformed and "hi i come from the trailer park" alf-boat. hence cocksucker blues and the large touring busses.
1713950;1505337860;*;asciilifeform looked for brandnew one for yrs, finally found
1713951;1505337877;mircea_popescu;(i take it everyone's seen cocksucker blues ?)
1713952;1505337957;phf;i missed that somehow
1713953;1505338252;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713508 << bwahaha
1713954;1505338252;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 17:31 trinque: divide by zero joke; I'll show myself out
1713955;1505338320;mircea_popescu;fwiw, in my universe mod 0 is defined, and has the value 0.
1713956;1505338353;asciilifeform;this carries lulz potential
1713957;1505338355;mircea_popescu;this is because of set theoretic considerations whereby increases in the mod parameter increase the pile of possible results, eg mod 2 is 0 or 1
1713958;1505338375;mircea_popescu;the other school of course says mod 0 is an indifferent op, ie 18 mod 0 = 18
1713959;1505338381;mircea_popescu;this is nonsense, but i won't delve into why.
1713960;1505338469;mircea_popescu;of course the computronist would think mod 0 is "an op that dun terminate". but in any case, the "divide by x" approach to calculating a mod is just shorthand, not fundamental. mod is defined in terms of substraction (take x and y, substract y from x until remainder sub y), has nothing to do with multiplication side of the number ring.
1713961;1505338500;mircea_popescu;and so in these terms, the question becomes "if you substract nothing from something an infinite number of times, what're you left with ?"
1713962;1505338505;mircea_popescu;and you're left with nothing.
1713963;1505338605;asciilifeform;this is when i point out that div0 gives maxint in ffa ( at least naked ffa, without checking first )
1713964;1505338618;asciilifeform;but this is problematic and div0 is a fatal eggog in p.
1713965;1505338637;asciilifeform;( there is a legit reason why, but i will leave it as exercise for readers )
1713966;1505339120;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in that other place, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-13.log.html#t21:44:34
1713967;1505339146;mircea_popescu;oh did lobbesbot bite it ?
1713968;1505339359;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713551 << i don't think his notion is without merit, incidentally. there may be something there.
1713969;1505339359;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 18:06 asciilifeform: ideallly. i don't have a fixedtime reciprocal finder.
1713970;1505339371;mircea_popescu;eg, item indeed dun exist but no obvious reason why it couldn't be made.
1713971;1505339386;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've been laying it out on paper since he posted. any way i cut it, thus far, it costs moar than the classical .
1713972;1505339403;mircea_popescu;that part i believe ; but as to the science rather than the engineering of it.
1713973;1505339413;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713800 << one of the appeals of VDNH back in the day was a tucked-in-the-corner collection of Denisyuk holograms. so i went there again, place is almost a shell at this point, BUT one of the buildings was taken over by polytechnical museum, not only did they make a rather nifty science (without quotes!) museum but they also preserved all those old holograms. i suspect i wasn't the only one who loved
1713974;1505339413;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 20:00 asciilifeform: some folx make holographs today, in their cellars, it is i suspect the same attraction. rather like colour film in 1930s
1713975;1505339413;phf;that exhibit back in the day.
1713976;1505339417;mircea_popescu;not all truths are useful and not all usefuls are true.
1713977;1505339441;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, but unlike , say, egyptian mult, barrett doesn't have the appeal of simplicity or obvious correctness.
1713978;1505339462;mircea_popescu;it only has the appeal of the unknown, as in who knows what pie we find turning over this pot.
1713979;1505339464;asciilifeform;it's really closer to fft multer
1713980;1505339482;asciilifeform;( which is spiffy but imho quite inappropriate in crypto )
1713981;1505339547;asciilifeform;phf: sadly i've never been there
1713982;1505339573;asciilifeform;( or dunno, maybe would be even sadder today if i had... )
1713983;1505339576;phf;https://polymus.ru/ru/museum/news/eksponat-golograficheskiy-kot-i-drugie/
1713984;1505339578;mircea_popescu;http://www.holography.ru/les1eng.htm << likbez
1713985;1505339590;mircea_popescu;one of those "simple but powerful, fu" items.
1713986;1505339672;*;asciilifeform blows dust off 'holo ecdsa cracking' notebook
1713987;1505339679;mircea_popescu;:p
1713988;1505339697;mircea_popescu;it is in fact (the method described) an application of laser interferometry, which is precisely how you'd do the tower-of-light solver.
1713989;1505339708;phf;asciilifeform: yeah, it was a very niche thing. a sort soviet retro future exhibit that somehow survived through the 90s. i don't quite remember what else was there, plasma globes, various magnet accentuated magnetic liquids, that sort of stuff
1713990;1505339711;mircea_popescu;now THIS would be quantum-ish computer that kinda-might-work
1713991;1505339723;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc we had the thread, in '13 even
1713992;1505339726;mircea_popescu;yes.
1713993;1505339767;phf;either of you mind digging up that thread?
1713994;1505339785;mircea_popescu;the tower of light solver you mean ?
1713995;1505339798;phf;yes
1713996;1505339817;asciilifeform;!#s knapsack
1713997;1505339818;a111;49 results for "knapsack", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=knapsack
1713998;1505339820;asciilifeform;somewhere in there.
1713999;1505339829;mircea_popescu;lessee
1714000;1505339846;phf;asciilifeform: unless you meant vdnh, in which case it was "Выставка достижений народного хозяйства
1714001;1505339860;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-22#1028511 << asciilifeform was this it ?
1714002;1505339860;a111;Logged on 2015-02-22 05:59 mircea_popescu: is shamir still working on those light machines ?
1714003;1505339860;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-20#517930
1714004;1505339860;a111;Logged on 2014-02-20 02:13 asciilifeform: incidentally
1714005;1505339870;asciilifeform;2014.
1714006;1505339887;mircea_popescu;oh the knapsack application
1714007;1505339891;mircea_popescu;i was thinking of the rsatron
1714008;1505339903;asciilifeform;!#s twinkle
1714009;1505339903;a111;19 results for "twinkle", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=twinkle
1714010;1505339906;phf;a kind of semipermanent "look into the bright communist future" exhibit
1714011;1505340127;asciilifeform;'Бобина, по всей вероятности, от какого-то грузовика. В первые годы Денисюк использовал ее для поджигания ртутной лампы, она выполняла поначалу функции не изобретенного еще лазера. Рядом расположен конденсатор производства SIEMENS и трансфор
1714012;1505340127;asciilifeform;матор, явно трофейные, найденные на какой-нибудь свалке послевоенных лет. Крупное открытие в голографии было сотворено из самых обычных материалов, что свидетельствует об удивительной увлеченности, энтузиазме при полном отсутствии подд
1714013;1505340130;asciilifeform;ержки со стороны руководства. Сборочные и монтажные работы молодой лаборант производил самостоятельно.'
1714014;1505340133;asciilifeform;neato.
1714015;1505340194;asciilifeform;'the bobbin, in all likelihood, was from some truck. in the early years denisyuk used it for igniting the mercury lamp, it served at first the function of the yet-uninvented laser. nearby is a capacitor by siemens, a transformer, definitely scavenged, found on some post-war scrapyard
1714016;1505340226;phf;aha
1714017;1505340238;asciilifeform;the major breakthrough in holography was made from very common materials, which shows the astonishing dedication, enthusiasm despite a total lack of support from management
1714018;1505340257;asciilifeform;construction and assembly the young lab tech did with his own hands.'
1714019;1505340524;phf;in the 90s the exhibit of denisyuk technology was basically a tiny room, with a handful of original prints and the "holographic device", displayed with a working laser. was a kind of mecca for certain kind of person, mandatory for a visit when you're spending a day in vdnh
1714020;1505340581;*;asciilifeform did not grow up in moscow, and spent a total of couplea days there, as a kid, never saw this item sadly
1714021;1505340661;mircea_popescu;Бобина << ie inductor neh ?
1714022;1505340661;asciilifeform;speaking of lost tech, can haz ivory micrograph yet, phf  ?
1714023;1505340670;mircea_popescu;a coil basically
1714024;1505340677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in english i think called 'flyback'
1714025;1505340690;asciilifeform;i.e. crt gun transformer
1714026;1505340695;mircea_popescu;right.
1714027;1505340722;mircea_popescu;induction coil, somerthing. (mobos still have them for instance)
1714028;1505340746;asciilifeform;if it's electronic and you can hear it squeal , it's got inductor
1714029;1505340783;asciilifeform;( recall recent article re how to get gpg privkey out of the squeals. )
1714030;1505340822;phf;asciilifeform: i haven't had a chance to meet with zeptobars guy yet, but will do before the end of my visit
1714031;1505340867;mircea_popescu;phf goes to moscow, is to find ivory micrograph and bdsm club photograph, instead stuck in hotel room reading up on logs
1714032;1505340882;mircea_popescu;WILL THIS SHIT END SO I CAN GET OUT BEFORE SUNUP!
1714033;1505340928;phf;came to moscow to free up time, found out most time is taken up by reading logs
1714034;1505340965;asciilifeform;lol somehow i pictured phf as one of the folx who operates in burst mode, reads log for 8h marathon every 5wks or sumthing
1714035;1505340990;mircea_popescu;except to where it's one week every week and a half
1714036;1505340999;mircea_popescu;then willy nilly he has to sleep.
1714037;1505341129;shinohai;Lulzy: "U.S. moves to ban use of Kaspersky software in federal agencies amid concerns of Russian espionage"
1714038;1505341146;asciilifeform;oldnoose shinohai
1714039;1505341163;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700468
1714040;1505341163;a111;Logged on 2017-08-18 23:01 asciilifeform: 'That followed the General Services Administration removing Kaspersky from an approved-vendors list in early July and a congressional push to pass a law that would ban Kaspersky from being used by the Department of Defense.'
1714041;1505341179;shinohai;My feed has failed me
1714042;1505341271;asciilifeform;oh hey did we do yesterday's nsa bluetooth remoteroot burn ?
1714043;1505341293;mircea_popescu;i think we were busy with actually interesting things.
1714044;1505341300;mircea_popescu;buyt anyway, it was a long known thing neh ?
1714045;1505341302;asciilifeform;( exactly like the broadcom remoteroot from 6mo ago. except this one is an overflowism IN THE SPEC rather than any particular chip's implementation )
1714046;1505341320;asciilifeform;nope
1714047;1505341327;mircea_popescu;heck, in one of the many plaintive items about "omfg you aren;'t going to believe the state of nuke tech", there even was the story of jhow bluetooth is bannable offense.
1714048;1505341360;mircea_popescu;wnat me to dig it up ?
1714049;1505341393;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: subj is re perma-rooting of any bt-supporting item, rather than 'data theft' such as haunts usg
1714050;1505341427;asciilifeform;as in, theoretically - worm over rf
1714051;1505341438;mircea_popescu;right, but the same item went from vague to pointed is all.
1714052;1505341447;mircea_popescu;aanyway, minor point.
1714053;1505341457;asciilifeform;the one interesting bit is re 'was in the spec'
1714054;1505341487;asciilifeform;and not the least bit particular to 1 or even N vendors.
1714055;1505341566;asciilifeform;phunphakt, ~all recent autos sold , refirmwareable over bt.
1714056;1505341607;mircea_popescu;heh
1714057;1505341649;hanbot;crowgoat.tumblr.com << my dad caught some frames of a mountain lion right outside his van (lives in a state park), for the cat afficionados
1714058;1505341726;mircea_popescu;ahaha check that out.
1714059;1505342225;shinohai;Meow
1714060;1505349439;mod6;m00
1714061;1505349822;shinohai;m00000000000000000000000000000 mod6
1714062;1505349838;shinohai;Am I reverting to redditardness?
1714063;1505350781;mod6;hehe. what up shinohai
1714064;1505350884;shinohai;Just sitting here with my Baroness hoping you haz good news re: trb or ada experiments?
1714065;1505351256;shinohai;http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/Baronesstitsbare.jpg
1714066;1505351290;mircea_popescu;there's something fundamentally wrong with that pic...
1714067;1505351351;shinohai;What is wrong? Are you like trinque and think she should wash hair again?
1714068;1505351366;mircea_popescu;tits are not bare.
1714069;1505351391;shinohai;LOL
1714070;1505351461;shinohai;She says if she insults in kanzure's manner, will you give her full integer Bitcoin? jajaja
1714071;1505351481;mircea_popescu;i dun think so!
1714072;1505351490;mircea_popescu;what's she do anyway ?
1714073;1505351534;shinohai;She social engineers weak men out of money, what else?
1714074;1505351556;mircea_popescu;lel
1714075;1505351564;shinohai;^.^
1714076;1505351616;shinohai;I'm sure mircea_popescu 's slaves could do the same.
1714077;1505351651;mircea_popescu;well, the perpetuation of the species is proof positive that most females could do it fine.
1714078;1505351882;shinohai;nb
1714079;1505352400;shinohai;tfw women suddenly feel insulted when you tell them the story of Ragnar Lodbrok
1714080;1505352971;mod6;<+shinohai> Just sitting here with my Baroness hoping you haz good news re: trb or ada experiments? << ah, just trying to catch up on this 2nd megal0g
1714081;1505353090;mod6;<+shinohai> She says if she insults in kanzure's manner, will you give her full integer Bitcoin? jajaja << lol
1714082;1505353161;shinohai;mod6: she reads the logs too, after I translate them.
1714083;1505353203;shinohai;Good for the both of us I guess
1714084;1505353229;mod6;werd
1714085;1505353356;shinohai;Gottalove those wimmenz with fire in the eye when they ask you such questions
1714086;1505353377;mircea_popescu;in other news, should saucy mcsaucerson be a burlesque magic act ? or a really bad apple juggler ?
1714087;1505353404;shinohai;majic act
1714088;1505353437;shinohai;*poof* I'm gone
1714089;1505353545;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/f3e231e4b02fbeedcd44811027eb3f7c/tumblr_nvgh93W86o1sjfoovo1_500.gif << i take it everyone knows the "guys, change the corpse in 3B, it's full" joke ?
1714090;1505353657;shinohai;It might go down like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bDg7n-chhU
1714091;1505353879;asciilifeform;even asciilifeform knows 'corpse in 3b'
1714092;1505353927;shinohai;asciilifeform haz `petz`
1714093;1505353982;asciilifeform;shinohai: just 1 ( unless you count houseplants ). why?
1714094;1505354090;shinohai;No reason at all. asciilifeform is lucky to have petz, as am I.
1714095;1505354144;mircea_popescu;speaking of paucity in scientific literature : /me has not to date encountered a proper discussion of laplace's "sun also rises" probability ; notwithstanding the pantsuits got butthurt enough over the "absurdity" of it to pretend "bayesian" is the proper name for laplaceian statistics, nobody seems to have put the elbow greate into it.
1714096;1505354164;mircea_popescu;ie, it's not just cryptography that suffers from a shocking dearth of actually useful contribution,
1714097;1505354213;shinohai;I thought "The Sun also rises" was Heningway work
1714098;1505354219;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expand on subj plox for the l0gz
1714099;1505354259;mircea_popescu;shinohai laplace points out (correctly) that a first heuristic for "what is the probability of sun rising tomorrow" is to divide the number of times it was observed rising to the total number of assays. in this case, your life in days / your life in days + 1.
1714100;1505354266;asciilifeform;( butthurtz over laplace?! )
1714101;1505354282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the above is very problematic for the "global warming" mindset.
1714102;1505354312;mircea_popescu;(no, "global warming" is absolutely not novel ; the same sort of cathar nonsense was prevalent in all ages of great pretense and low literacy, usuallyu known as dark ages)
1714103;1505354346;asciilifeform;i thought the sun item was a wink at the fact that statistic is an inference tool, not divine revelation
1714104;1505354405;mircea_popescu;not really. pretty much everything that's pompously called "bayesian statistics" in the "rationalist" circles (not just the self-labeled internet tards, but eg googleheads) is simply lifted laplace / serials shaved off.
1714105;1505354449;shinohai;hahaha the laplace
1714106;1505354469;shinohai;Indeed correct
1714107;1505354688;mircea_popescu;the exact quote is "En faisant, par exemple, remonter la plus ancienne époque de l'histoire à cinq mille ans, ou à 1 826 21jours, et le soleil s'étant levé constamment dans cet intervalle , à chaque révolution de vingt-quatre heures, il y a 182621/1 à parier contre un qu'il se lèvera encore demain. Mais ce nombre est incomparablement plus fort pour celui qui connaissant par l'ensemble des phénomènes le principe ré
1714108;1505354689;mircea_popescu;gulateur des jours et des saisons, voit que rien dans le moment actuel ne peut en arrêter le cours."
1714109;1505354712;mircea_popescu;and the exact problem is directly obvious if one considers HOW exactly the "data" of "climate science" was obtained. "what do you mean you have to be there to observe!"
1714110;1505354721;mircea_popescu;they want observation-by-proxy, like everything else.
1714111;1505354778;shinohai;mircea_popescu also speaks French? not surprised
1714112;1505354793;mircea_popescu;um. i spoke french before i spoke english.
1714113;1505354834;shinohai;Ugh. English is such dirty tongue, even to natico. Saves?
1714114;1505354862;mircea_popescu;anyway, his point stands -- absent any qualitative understanding, ie for a black box world, the probability as declared is the best approximation. this is no small matter, at all.
1714115;1505354885;mircea_popescu;shinohai i actually don't mind it, it's sort of like trying to write only in aliterations.
1714116;1505354942;mircea_popescu;!~calc 182621/5000
1714117;1505354943;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 182621/5000 = 36.5242
1714118;1505354959;mircea_popescu;pretty fine 365 days and 1/4 value he got there, too.
1714119;1505354967;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713937 << I suppose I'll have to add "write great novel romance novel 'Sally Hemmings And The Widower'" to agenda
1714120;1505354967;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 21:17 mircea_popescu: afaik "fuchsia herring" never gained coinage in ru, but honestly it's a much better name for "black chicks code" than "black chicks code"
1714121;1505354995;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hey, nothing can stop you! great us novel still awaiting the pen.
1714122;1505355037;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1826213/5000
1714123;1505355038;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1826213/5000 = 365.24260000000004
1714124;1505355039;shinohai;Siempre soy un soldado de la Malagueña Salerosa
1714125;1505355045;mircea_popescu;a 3 got lost in there.
1714126;1505355057;mircea_popescu;(it exists in teh original)
1714127;1505355066;shinohai;I should star charging for requests to jhvh1
1714128;1505355073;mircea_popescu;lol
1714129;1505355159;shinohai;`yo soy soldado electronico` jajajaja
1714130;1505355169;asciilifeform;in veeery other lulz, https://www.ebay.com/i/142506150167
1714131;1505355216;mod6;neat
1714132;1505355241;mircea_popescu;(current value is 365.2422, but it is likely his value was closer to the correct value at his time than ours.)
1714133;1505355275;mircea_popescu;ie, days become longer by a few ms each century because reasons.
1714134;1505355316;mircea_popescu;(reasons being mostly moon driving tides which slow down earth, and imperfect free movement due to friction in charged plasma field.)
1714135;1505355496;shinohai;Sing this song while you are inside her, clothes are no:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=senoF0vblek
1714136;1505355532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is that a ~hardened~ calculator ?
1714137;1505355539;mircea_popescu;shinohai cat got your kbd ?
1714138;1505355545;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> She social engineers weak men out of money, what else? << Congrats
1714139;1505355579;shinohai;Mi kbd es siempre furea tu alcanza
1714140;1505355611;shinohai;Por eso soy Don del Republica
1714141;1505355630;mircea_popescu;!#s Don the Crown
1714142;1505355630;a111;3 results for "Don the Crown", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Don%20the%20Crown
1714143;1505355642;shinohai;jajaja no Crown
1714144;1505355667;shinohai;tu me hiciste!
1714145;1505355719;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/magmachamber/
1714146;1505355745;shinohai;Ay me desecho
1714147;1505356394;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714136 << 'seal registrator'
1714148;1505356394;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 02:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is that a ~hardened~ calculator ?
1714149;1505356424;asciilifeform;presumably verified magickeyz that cleared if boobyswitch sprung
1714150;1505356440;asciilifeform;americans had ( have? ) similar concept
1714151;1505356461;mircea_popescu;aha
1714152;1505356510;asciilifeform;( and we had the babylonian seals thread. standardized seals are useless. but magic value that sram forgets if boobytrap sprung, is prolly best physicaltamper trap possible short of keeping subject under own pillow to guard )
1714153;1505356565;asciilifeform;pictured toolbox also seems to contain items for use with babylonian-style seals
1714154;1505356606;mircea_popescu;well, more evolved versions actually. (have item that hashes time counter + fixed salt through known process ; wipe salt if sprung.
1714155;1505356613;asciilifeform;presumably these were also used in n00kz ( they were used in konsoomer items for some unknown to me reason, i have a calculator still with virginal seal on bolts )
1714156;1505356638;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: time counter is tricky because clock drift
1714157;1505356660;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, the space heaters of the era came with, shit you not, nickeline wire + lead stamp seal on the screw-in cover.
1714158;1505356664;asciilifeform;but is also used, incl. in konsoomer mtgox keyz etc
1714159;1505356678;asciilifeform;lol!! yougottabeshittingme
1714160;1505356683;mircea_popescu;nope.
1714161;1505356709;mircea_popescu;no idea why, i mean you fucking owned the item, and you coudl actually buy replacement resistences for it.
1714162;1505357579;mircea_popescu;and in other "wikipedia is great because social media is science and consensus is truth" lulz, http://www.piticigratis.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/1504781940364.jpg
1714163;1505359104;asciilifeform;btw if anyone givesafuck, i found the sealtron, it is a commercial ru export nao, supposedly, http://промкаталог.рф/PublicDocuments/1312420.pdf
1714164;1505359130;mircea_popescu;holy fuck these people do not understand the web. at all.
1714165;1505359131;asciilifeform;clever, seems to use unique rf characteristics of a random wire hairball
1714166;1505359139;asciilifeform;as seal
1714167;1505359175;mircea_popescu;a) рф ? rly ? wtf is рф ? b) publicdocumens/1312420 ? really ? WHAT THE FUCK is being communciated, am i often going to do select where = randomnumber ? c) pdf, really ? fu
1714168;1505359213;mircea_popescu;http://promeggog.fu
1714169;1505359236;asciilifeform;lolorcs
1714170;1505359256;asciilifeform;i'ma jpegize it laters if anyone gives actual shit.
1714171;1505359283;mircea_popescu;the wireball idea is sound ; the rest of the crap... notrly. i'd say it's been already fully recorded as is.
1714172;1505359307;asciilifeform;item is really hightech version of ye olde glass rod.
1714173;1505359312;mircea_popescu;aha
1714174;1505359333;mircea_popescu;tho really, there's more em planes in coil of wire than there's cleavage planes in foundry glass.
1714175;1505359396;asciilifeform;as for the peculiar iron box and led display, it's a straight rework of old sov calc chassis, which is telltale evidence of when item was designed : '80s, the last time anything interesting happened in orcistan.
1714176;1505359527;mircea_popescu;aha
1714177;1505359541;asciilifeform;on second reading, thing is optical, which is fucking
1714178;1505359544;asciilifeform;lame
1714179;1505359557;asciilifeform;omfg was it not obvious to use rf profile?!!
1714180;1505359897;asciilifeform;http://www.imf.ru/index.php?subm=3&sid=1&ssid=3&lsid=2 << vendor
1714181;1505359956;asciilifeform;they make petro drilling accessories, nuke accounting tools, and... church domes
1714182;1505360035;asciilifeform;and various reactor furniture.
1714183;1505360579;mircea_popescu;in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
1714184;1505360714;asciilifeform;ugh
1714185;1505360733;asciilifeform;9h from nao?
1714186;1505360746;mircea_popescu;so in gmt, 3 am ?
1714187;1505360752;asciilifeform;Aha
1714188;1505360757;mircea_popescu;and if not, 3am next day ?
1714189;1505360783;asciilifeform;worx
1714190;1505360824;mircea_popescu;why exactly raid reconstruction would require reboot is an open question, and exactly contrary to the specific design of this item
1714191;1505360848;asciilifeform;was my thought.
1714192;1505360857;asciilifeform;infuriating nonsense.
1714193;1505360863;mircea_popescu;why exactly i am still paying fucking fiatola ugstani retards to host servers for me when there's a whole lot of supposedly competent, supposedly business oriented and not yet entirely senile bright minds also an open question
1714194;1505360872;mircea_popescu;but whatever, why should anything work well by itself.
1714195;1505360893;*;mircea_popescu utterly can't be arsed to care anymore.
1714196;1505360995;asciilifeform;i vaguely suspect that 'sane hoster' is a contradition similar to 'sane miner'
1714197;1505360997;asciilifeform;but cannot prove.
1714198;1505361012;asciilifeform;*contradiction
1714199;1505361449;mircea_popescu;everything to do with a honest day's work is an incomprehensible ball of contradictions to the comfortable lazy, ever so convinced of the usual slate of "can make own decisions" and whatnots.
1714200;1505361609;asciilifeform;yaya untermenschen don't see their obvious destiny to plug machinegun embrasure for the glory of tmsr
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1714213;1505361688;asciilifeform;MICROSHIT?!
1714214;1505361689;mircea_popescu;this a) re an ip that hasn't sent any mail in the past i dunno, six months ? and b) from the phuctor people.
1714215;1505361718;mircea_popescu;so im guessing that a) disk phuctor disk is never getting replaced, when it fails it faisl and b) im not going to be paying these schmucks anymore, when they turn it off they turn it off.
1714216;1505361728;mircea_popescu;maybe one day there's a place to rent servers from. until such a time, so long phuctor.
1714217;1505361746;asciilifeform;and so long all trb nodes ?
1714218;1505361759;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
1714219;1505361764;mircea_popescu;we';re not old enough to be online, what can be done.
1714220;1505361776;mircea_popescu;wait for grow-up.
1714221;1505361801;asciilifeform;outlook.com omfg
1714222;1505361819;mircea_popescu;in no case am i debugging this stack of strange.
1714223;1505361854;asciilifeform;and when trilema also ?
1714224;1505361862;asciilifeform;and snsa shop goes where ?
1714225;1505361867;mircea_popescu;i guess we wait and see.
1714226;1505361909;asciilifeform;wait for what, for 3rd disk to die ?
1714227;1505361950;mircea_popescu;well, something will eventually happen. the situation is just as untenable as it was back in the days of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646924
1714228;1505361950;a111;Logged on 2017-04-21 17:25 mircea_popescu: Framedragger that is EXACTLY what isp does.
1714229;1505361954;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile it's also become critical.
1714230;1505362040;asciilifeform;realize what this looks like -- enemy finally gets around to nudging the weak points, and they crumble like old drywall
1714231;1505362078;mircea_popescu;yup.
1714232;1505362097;mircea_popescu;it is exactly what it is, what use is pretending. so much caked youthful spunksocks.
1714233;1505362260;asciilifeform;fwiw i have nfi why thing doesn't live in same place as trilema
1714234;1505362270;asciilifeform;( cost ? )
1714235;1505362522;mircea_popescu;no, sanity. wtf would everything live in same place as trilema ?
1714236;1505363555;mircea_popescu;concentration is the exactly wrong answer here.
1714237;1505366251;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1714238;1505366264;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3825.0, vol: 26925.37308887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3818.9, vol: 62984.29982562 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3752.005528, vol: 16065.93000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3853.0, vol: 9602.64151368 | Volume-weighted last average: 3813.85556403
1714239;1505367002;*;trinque been spelunking in the trb innards a while, close to wrapped up on a few little tools to go hexstring->privkey->pubkey->addr relying solely on existing trb innards.
1714240;1505367052;trinque;in the process, realized I oughta publically denounce something in the funkenstein importprivkey/dumpprivkey patch
1714241;1505367175;trinque;the guy introduced a new wrapper class to... allow himself (?) to diddle an attr of the parent class marked "protected"
1714242;1505367207;trinque;wtf, just make it public then, what's this autistic "no but the sticker's still there that says safe"
1714243;1505367430;*;trinque speaking of vchSecret in CBase58Data
1714244;1505367494;trinque;sorry, vchData
1714245;1505367860;trinque;at any rate, the thing's HORRIBLY NAMED AND DEFINED class tree is bad enough; I don't think I'd ever sign anything that introduces yet another atop.
1714246;1505368159;BingoBoingo;Congrats trinque
1714247;1505368182;BingoBoingo;And lol at the cpp cancerisms
1714248;1505368446;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714098 << since might as well, "Appliquons aux sciences politiques et morales la méthode fondée sur l'observation et sur le calcul, méthode qui nous a si bien servis dans les sciences naturelles. N'opposons point une résistance inutile et souvent dangereuse aux effets inévitables du progrès des lumières ; mais ne changeons qu'avec une circonspection extrême nos institutions et les us
1714249;1505368446;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 01:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand on subj plox for the l0gz
1714250;1505368446;mircea_popescu;ages auxquels nous sommes depuis longtemps pliés. Nous connaissons bien par l'expérience du passé, les inconvéniens qu'ils présentent ; mais nous ignorons quelle est l'étendue des maux que leur changement peut produire. Dans cette ignorance, la théorie des probabilités prescrit d'éviter tout changement : surtout il faut éviter les changemens brusques qui, dans l'ordre moral comme dans l'ordre physique, ne s'opèrent
1714251;1505368446;mircea_popescu; jamais sans une grande perte de force vive."
1714252;1505368452;mircea_popescu;quite not what pantsuit wants statistics for.
1714253;1505368559;mircea_popescu;trinque i imagine dood just didn't know how to proceed and too weird to ask.
1714254;1505368590;mod6;trinque: where do you see this?
1714255;1505368591;trinque;totally possible. curse of not hanging around is not here to speak for himself.
1714256;1505368594;mircea_popescu;and in other antique lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-20#518006
1714257;1505368594;a111;Logged on 2014-02-20 02:46 chetty: A Fatwa has been issued against living on Mars by clerics who say that trying to set up home there would be un-Islamic.
1714258;1505368632;mircea_popescu;trinque always struck me as a case of "i know these people are right but i don't want them to be" internal tension.
1714259;1505368644;mircea_popescu;sort of thing that makes everything difficult.
1714260;1505368699;mircea_popescu;anyway. he has to diddle vchData to import.
1714261;1505368707;mod6;<+trinque> wtf, just make it public then, what's this autistic "no but the sticker's still there that says safe" << oh, i misunderstood this at first pass.  you mean, 'make the parent class public, instead of protected' ya?
1714262;1505368714;trinque;sure, so just make it public and diddle
1714263;1505368718;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1714264;1505368820;*;trinque put this in what'll end up a patch for some key tool binaries.
1714265;1505368858;mod6;yeah, submit when ready.
1714266;1505368869;trinque;I kinda want printf to be printf too, holy hell.
1714267;1505368875;trinque;you pull one thread.
1714268;1505368991;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GCYtI/?raw=true << example, simple trb-addr proggie
1714269;1505369038;*;trinque obviously intending to plonk ass down in front of airgapped box and produce signed transactions
1714270;1505370554;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> trinque i imagine dood just didn't know how to proceed and too weird to ask. << Not like he can't go to The Waters and consult Mithra
1714271;1505377665;mircea_popescu;john waters ?
1714272;1505388256;BingoBoingo;Or the fire waters, or wherever his kind goes
1714273;1505388567;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1714274;1505388575;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3663.0, vol: 28920.73395039 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3659.8, vol: 71090.96409817 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3095.748475, vol: 25227.70330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3685.6, vol: 9322.08283634 | Volume-weighted last average: 3556.52625479
1714275;1505389209;mircea_popescu;btw BingoBoingo your qnrtra backups are current ?
1714276;1505389891;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Should be as of 8 ish hours ago, will refresh
1714277;1505389903;mircea_popescu;works.
1714278;1505389935;*;BingoBoingo remembers the hard way having been involved in learning this
1714279;1505390030;BingoBoingo;lol, at 2012 epiphany which is today's reality http://trilema.com/
1714280;1505390039;BingoBoingo;* http://trilema.com/2012/the-days-enlightenment/
1714281;1505390103;mircea_popescu;heh
1714282;1505390284;*;BingoBoingo off to serve the interest of Petty Justice for a few hours.
1714283;1505398075;shinohai;I lol at the history: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ygpom/its_time_to_decentralize_bitcoin_development/cydk5q1/
1714284;1505398106;shinohai;lukejr and his "This is not consensus-compatible with the Bitcoin network."
1714285;1505399043;mod6;mornin'
1714286;1505399099;shinohai;Buenas dias mod6
1714287;1505399118;mod6;how you doin today?
1714288;1505401946;BingoBoingo;So, petty justice is demanding I get more petty
1714289;1505402809;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714268 << that is pretty neat, trinque
1714290;1505402809;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 06:03 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GCYtI/?raw=true << example, simple trb-addr proggie
1714291;1505402835;asciilifeform;trinque: didja 'libraryize' the crypto routines? or how did you end up doing it.
1714292;1505402954;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714258 << funkenstein was an odd d00d: shat on trb, but lifted it wholesale for use in his altwhatever; today hangs in kakolandia and misses no chance to hurrdurrmpisafraud etc
1714293;1505402954;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 05:57 mircea_popescu: trinque always struck me as a case of "i know these people are right but i don't want them to be" internal tension.
1714294;1505404044;mod6;just fixed my office chair..  apparently all it took was to tighten up the dial thingy on the bottom.
1714295;1505404050;mod6;who knew?!
1714296;1505404077;mod6;thing was like rocking side to side, etc.  was bout to go buy a new one.  herpderp
1714297;1505404134;asciilifeform;whenever i think of cheap 100%finestchinesium officechairs, i think of the famous 'overpressure piston impalement' chair.
1714298;1505404148;asciilifeform;( iirc the photo was linked here, couplea yrs ago )
1714299;1505404178;mod6;oh boy, i bettter find this.
1714300;1505404187;mod6;before the thing blows my ass off.
1714301;1505404347;mod6;dang, thats crazy. maybe i better back it off a bit.
1714302;1505404380;mod6;the dial im futzing with doesn't have any thing to do with the piston (as far as i can see)
1714303;1505404388;*;asciilifeform only buys chairs with 5mm+ of steel between piston and arsehole
1714304;1505404397;mod6;maybe i aught to cut myself a nice tree stump to sit on.
1714305;1505404435;asciilifeform;treestump i suspect is even ergonomically an improvement over most chinese chair..
1714306;1505404470;mod6;probably is.  all you really have to do is stain the thing pretty heavy to seal in the things.
1714307;1505404767;mod6;i bought a digital caliper... ima use it to measure the thickness of the baseplate.
1714308;1505404952;mod6;2.75mm
1714309;1505404983;asciilifeform;prolly suffices if you avoid 'hard landings' lol
1714310;1505405100;mod6;i knew this guy who was well over 300lbs who used to jump into his seat, every time damn near.
1714311;1505405125;mod6;he blew the wheels off of two chairs (at different times) that I saw with my own eyes.
1714312;1505405148;mod6;piston never blew though.
1714313;1505405159;asciilifeform;very interestingly, i happen to know that comp chairs at one time came with steel wheels
1714314;1505405168;asciilifeform;because i found one in a skip in early '90s
1714315;1505405186;asciilifeform;( my brother still uses it, it looks and works entirely the same today as when found )
1714316;1505405195;mod6;nice.
1714317;1505405209;asciilifeform;but no steel wheels today, and you can't buy'em, It Would Be Wrong
1714318;1505405853;asciilifeform;imho it is interesting and very pete_dushenski's-porche-esque, you can buy a $2k+ chair and still plastic.
1714319;1505406050;mod6;oh ya
1714320;1505406164;mod6;just went to the website of the chinese manufacturer of this chair.  php/mysql splooge.
1714321;1505406167;mod6;lol
1714322;1505406578;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: first i have rolex with wooden gears and now i have $2k+ plastic chair ? what kinda alt-lottery did i win ? lol
1714323;1505406591;mod6;haha
1714324;1505406596;asciilifeform;lol
1714325;1505406687;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: for some reason i recalled you having a plastic-bodied porche
1714326;1505406742;pete_dushenski;i don't recall ever having written about ~owning~ schmancy watches even if i did nail tlp on patek prices (http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/) and did publicly confess to owning leather+plywood chair (http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/20/the-eames-lounge-legacy-continues/)
1714327;1505406781;asciilifeform;hm.
1714328;1505406782;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i bought zippy nissan instead. maybe next will be porsch-uh but who knows.
1714329;1505406785;mod6;<+asciilifeform> prolly suffices if you avoid 'hard landings' lol << fwiw too, i use my chair as low as it goes. fully decompressed.
1714330;1505406806;mod6;i feel like im sitting on a bomb now.
1714331;1505406906;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713592 << aha. BingoBoingo recalls well. since we're doing muh archives, here's the link again (http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/09/finding-the-light/)
1714332;1505406906;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 18:33 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It transformed into "Crossover" craze. iirc pete_dushenski has a blog on this.
1714333;1505407062;pete_dushenski;lovely logs these last few days btw. material science, cars, some french, shite servers, and design discussions. what doesn't #t have ?
1714334;1505407115;asciilifeform;!!!!! ACHTUNG, PANZERS! !!!!! >>>> http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/dump_9_13_17.gz <<<< phuctor db snapshot, circa last night. this is likely to be the last chance for an unknown while , for anyone who wants to grab a copy.
1714335;1505407131;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, trinque , ben_vulpes , phf , mod6 , et al
1714336;1505407156;asciilifeform;sha512: c03c68578b522fb1a9d0406ee1cbc975d58c7dabefd80d5a6848a521a53f1f0ace910f810a6ec38d682572d3055921da0627b3d240be39cf5a9c5a6cb91255d1
1714337;1505407165;mod6;approx size?
1714338;1505407189;asciilifeform;13491729239 bytes
1714339;1505407213;asciilifeform;( about double of this, unzipped )
1714340;1505407252;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713589 << craze just shrunk so that 4-banger engines can propel "suv". it's alive and well though. sedan is dead on a stick.
1714341;1505407252;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 18:32 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i kinda always wondered why exactly the SUV craze stopped. i mean, once you give up on sense, there's no way to land, is there ? they could have made a DOUBLE SIZED "car", that takes up two lanes, and could carry that much more injected plastic on the frame.
1714342;1505407419;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713622 << ferrari, bugatti, bentley, rolls royce. maybach was a thing a decade ago but now it's a mere trim level of s-class instead of standalone item.
1714343;1505407419;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 18:42 mircea_popescu: so what do rappers do now, priusen ?
1714344;1505407508;asciilifeform;mod6 et al : same goes for the FG docs
1714345;1505407543;mod6;thx
1714346;1505407575;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713651 << 700hp suv, 800hp muscle car, all at the altar of MOOOARR POWWWAHH. because gotta kamikaze in a blaze of glory. it's last call and the bar's closing.
1714347;1505407575;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 18:53 mircea_popescu: dodge is making high power cars nao ?
1714348;1505407584;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713589 << craze just shrunk so that 4-banger engines can propel "suv". it's alive and well though. sedan is dead on a stick. << I hate driving, but i can't see myself ever not having the slut-wagon.
1714349;1505407584;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 18:32 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i kinda always wondered why exactly the SUV craze stopped. i mean, once you give up on sense, there's no way to land, is there ? they could have made a DOUBLE SIZED "car", that takes up two lanes, and could carry that much more injected plastic on the frame.
1714350;1505407692;pete_dushenski;mod6: they're boss. very aspirational too. works on many levels : practicality, insurance policy, social cachet, and self-worth
1714351;1505407879;mod6;it's a crawler.  just goes everywhere.  brings all the things with me.
1714352;1505408087;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf know any hosters in ye old orcistan ?
1714353;1505408088;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1714354;1505408376;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, ( BingoBoingo -- qntra fodder? or snoar ) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0HWMD/?raw=true , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HvNiX/?raw=true << nsa war against 133337 w4r3z . ( runs on java! and other laughs inside )
1714355;1505408545;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714334 << pulling it down
1714356;1505408545;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 16:38 asciilifeform: !!!!! ACHTUNG, PANZERS! !!!!! >>>> http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/dump_9_13_17.gz <<<< phuctor db snapshot, circa last night. this is likely to be the last chance for an unknown while , for anyone who wants to grab a copy.
1714357;1505408696;pete_dushenski;same here
1714358;1505408730;trinque;hell asciilifeform do you want to set up a torrent so we don't choke you out?
1714359;1505408740;asciilifeform;nah
1714360;1505408776;asciilifeform;box oughta be able to handle a few folx leechin'
1714361;1505408782;trinque;kk
1714362;1505408788;asciilifeform;why, is somebody getting thrown off ?
1714363;1505408810;trinque;nope, deedbawks slurpin bits just fine
1714364;1505408837;asciilifeform;do be sure to verify hash.
1714365;1505409001;mod6;so was there another dumpfile I missed with some FG stuff, or is that all contained in the phuctor blob?
1714366;1505409324;asciilifeform;mod6: phuctor gz is STRICTLY the db
1714367;1505409333;asciilifeform;sql dump.
1714368;1505409362;asciilifeform;if you want anything else whatsoever, will have to fetch it manually or wget -m or whatever yer favourite method.
1714369;1505409378;mod6;oh, makes sense, was just confused by :
1714370;1505409379;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6 et al : same goes for the FG docs
1714371;1505409771;asciilifeform;in other olds , https://archive.is/ksYSr << DIV instruction on recent intel, NOT constant-time
1714372;1505409848;asciilifeform;^ which does mean that i'ma have to a) audit the binary when ffa built for use in the field b) patch gcc/gnat not to emit DIV
1714373;1505409857;asciilifeform;annoying.
1714374;1505409899;asciilifeform;i still suspect that the 'crypto on commodity iron' idea will crumble definitively if hit with even a very modest hammer...
1714375;1505409940;asciilifeform;( which is sad because commodity iron is not only cheap and plentiful but buys a very substantial nonspecificityofdiddling )
1714376;1505409983;asciilifeform;incidentally when i say 'i'ma have to' it means 'you have to' because i have no intention of distributing binaries.
1714377;1505409992;asciilifeform;( imho it is braindamaged practice )
1714378;1505410495;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/1mz8v << ""The Clinton Foundation is willing to KILL to protect its secrets. So on HRC’s book tour, try to grab a hair from her. I must confirm the sequences I have. Will pay $5,000 per hair obtained from Hillary Clinton," the Facebook post stated. Although Shkreli's lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, argued the post fell under the right to free speech, Judge Matsumoto disagreed. "This is a
1714379;1505410496;pete_dushenski;solicitation of assault in exchange for money,” the judge said. “That is not protected by the First Amendment.”"
1714380;1505410541;asciilifeform;d00d thought 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb' eh.
1714381;1505410640;pete_dushenski;"because gotta kamikaze in a blaze of glory. it's last call and the bar's closing" aha
1714382;1505410674;asciilifeform;5k bounty on hair ain't exactly 'blaze of glory' tho
1714383;1505410685;pete_dushenski;also, btcchina going bye-bye sept 30 http://archive.is/ulD22
1714384;1505410699;asciilifeform;also why the fuck ain't he in moscow already.
1714385;1505410714;asciilifeform;why sat waiting for clitler's lettre de cachet.
1714386;1505410768;asciilifeform;last i heard, benjies still worked in moscow, and he had plenty of'em.
1714387;1505410933;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: 'china is a bug'
1714388;1505410963;pete_dushenski;new yorker gunning for clitler is closest to 'blaze' that new yorker can imagine. they live in a concrete mental cage. i dunno what you want from them.
1714389;1505411061;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: only really need one or two exchanges for price signal anywhere in the world. what was mircea_popescu's last estimate of off-exchange trading ? 90% ? and that was a few years ago. surely > now.
1714390;1505411063;asciilifeform;as i understand, d00d could have left shitreich behind and sacrificed nuffin
1714391;1505411084;pete_dushenski;hardly.
1714392;1505411087;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i'm not convinced that the exchange ( any and all of them ) price have ANYTHING to do with actual reality
1714393;1505411123;asciilifeform;if you were buying 1mil btc, you would discover a very different price ( supposing you were even able to find where. ) and ditto selling.
1714394;1505411148;pete_dushenski;shkreli stuck around nato making billions in pharma industry SO THAT HE COULD MAKE PREVIOUSLY SCAMMED INVESTORS WHOLE
1714395;1505411196;asciilifeform;y'think the 5m with which he paid bail was the last 5m in the sofa cushion ?
1714396;1505411199;ben_vulpes;past couple of days of log have been brutal
1714397;1505411211;asciilifeform;ohai ben_vulpes !
1714398;1505411266;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: he could've left nato after founding and failing first two hedge funds, didn't. he can only be judged on this action, not on woulda-coulda-shoulda.
1714399;1505411303;pete_dushenski;shkreli went all-in on usg.nato with pharma play. so there he will rot.
1714400;1505411310;ben_vulpes;ohai asciilifeform
1714401;1505411310;asciilifeform;i got nuffin
1714402;1505411324;ben_vulpes;am retrieving your phuctor dump, will confirm hashes and check in later
1714403;1505411343;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: only load it if you actually want it, naturally i have own backup
1714404;1505411372;ben_vulpes;train station office era coming to a close; all sorts of crazy flying through the air
1714405;1505411377;asciilifeform;announced 'dump here' because likely very soon i will have nowhere to host a multigb item, for indefinitely long time.
1714406;1505411394;asciilifeform;oh and incidentally if anyone's been putting off their FG purchase, nao is not a bad time.
1714407;1505411419;pete_dushenski;because ?
1714408;1505411426;asciilifeform;( naturally they will still be sold if the box vanishes, but process will be less automated and slower )
1714409;1505411441;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: see raid thread
1714410;1505411456;pete_dushenski;saw, didn't see how applied to fg sales
1714411;1505411461;pete_dushenski;so it's slower, what's the rush ?
1714412;1505411470;asciilifeform;if no rush -- can disregard
1714413;1505411496;pete_dushenski;apparently some are in rush (see tx fees!) but why not in rush 6 mo ago then.
1714414;1505411530;pete_dushenski;mebbe kids late to party are always rushed. do moar blow this way. 120% party in 20% of time!!1
1714415;1505411533;asciilifeform;it is my policy not to ask FG buyers any questions, i have nfi why bought, whether to use as rng or fishing lure, and don't really care
1714416;1505411579;asciilifeform;( if they open conversation publicly 1st -- i will sometimes ask out of curiosity. but nobody's got to answer )
1714417;1505411585;asciilifeform;so i have nfi why the tx fees etc.
1714418;1505411727;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Interesting, on the fence between fodder and snore. This is where fence tend to lie, so will decide in a butt.
1714419;1505411742;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aite
1714420;1505411749;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I thought your verdict on porshe was butt too fat for you at this time
1714421;1505411758;asciilifeform;prolly only of interest to dedicated entomologist.
1714422;1505411830;BingoBoingo;Of interest as indictment fodder, which is why deliberation of how to go from fence to BUILD THE WALL takes time.
1714423;1505413054;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, ftr, to complete picture of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714171 >>> https://archive.is/ntT18 <<< ru patent of subj, describes exactly how worked
1714424;1505413054;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 03:21 mircea_popescu: the wireball idea is sound ; the rest of the crap... notrly. i'd say it's been already fully recorded as is.
1714425;1505415284;mod6;<+asciilifeform> sha512: c03c68578b522fb1a9d0406ee1cbc975d58c7dabefd80d5a6848a521a53f1f0ace910f810a6ec38d682572d3055921da0627b3d240be39cf5a9c5a6cb91255d1 << confirmed
1714426;1505415292;asciilifeform;congrats mod6
1714427;1505418504;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: i realise now that the issue with 911 wasn't 911 but WHICH 911. i've refined my tastes in them to gt3 variants alone. the cs/c4s/turbo are too phat butt. it's an enormous range though (20+ sub-variants), so it only figures that there'd be one that'd appeal. much like usa itself. so i'm not a fan of nyc. big whoop! hawaii is still the tits.
1714428;1505418526;BingoBoingo;lol
1714429;1505418538;trinque;1979 is the correct answer.
1714430;1505418564;trinque;my dad sold his, and I still talk to him even.
1714431;1505418641;pete_dushenski;answer is always "when i was but a boy" or even "just before i was born and the world was still blessedly unburdened by my mortal knowledge"
1714432;1505418669;pete_dushenski;1979 is beautiful but needs mega investment to make race trackable.
1714433;1505418699;trinque;I can see it.
1714434;1505418700;pete_dushenski;(which is now a consideration of mine? hmm. wasn't 6 mo ago!)
1714435;1505418722;BingoBoingo;Meh, get something trackable from the factory like a "Honda Fit Sport", you know it's trackable because "Sport" is in the name
1714436;1505418831;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/usg-nsa-buggered-torrent-networks/ << Qntra - USG.NSA Buggered Torrent Networks
1714437;1505418833;BingoBoingo;^ ty alf for the pickets
1714438;1505419067;pete_dushenski;trinque: can always save money on build and buy "pre-made" but then you're stuck with another man's vision of "correct 930 race car" eg. http://archive.is/tQeSY
1714439;1505419290;pete_dushenski;!~ticker --market-all
1714440;1505419291;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
1714441;1505419303;pete_dushenski;!~ticker --market all
1714442;1505419309;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3345.0, vol: 36150.26779993 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3345.6, vol: 112632.50689953 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3021.6326, vol: 21896.69080000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3345.0, vol: 14430.387354 | Volume-weighted last average: 3307.1138672
1714443;1505419509;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: tramborghini sport turbo eddie bauer edition is ultimate track-trail  weapon
1714444;1505419565;*;BingoBoingo thought eddie bauer deal was with ford so it would be a TrabanMartin or Trabguar
1714445;1505419631;pete_dushenski;well usg.chrysler used to own lamborghini so it's not much of a stretch to go to usg.ford
1714446;1505419851;BingoBoingo;But USG.HotPotato.Chrysler has different fashion designer associations for their inter-rectual pooperty
1714447;1505419960;*;BingoBoingo can't recall which one Chrysler got
1714448;1505420387;pete_dushenski;fiat has "gucci", chrysler has "john varvatos"
1714449;1505420603;BingoBoingo;WHo?
1714450;1505420699;BingoBoingo;In other Chrysler deets http://www.denverpost.com/2017/09/10/friends-speed-testing-sports-car-runway-killed/
1714451;1505420715;pete_dushenski;guy who uses a lotta american symbology in his very casual clothing line. known for sneakers too.
1714452;1505421289;pete_dushenski;in other server troubles,  http://archive.is/gkWLz
1714453;1505422191;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: What kinda urban is he?
1714454;1505422986;BingoBoingo;For the Baron shinohai https://twitter.com/dearing42/status/908149337951272960
1714455;1505423117;shinohai;lol BingoBoingo
1714456;1505423132;BingoBoingo;Was on the big screen
1714457;1505423154;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: is there a kind other than the keith ?
1714458;1505423222;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well, dark urban man-boy loving urban, Fat old cat lady urban, etc
1714459;1505423450;pete_dushenski;varvatos'd be rich white kid who wants to look like he doesn't care but really does. like keith.
1714460;1505424110;BingoBoingo;Meh, sounds like they didn't have much of a budget
1714461;1505424366;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714297 << eh, you know how many they make ?
1714462;1505424366;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 15:48 asciilifeform: whenever i think of cheap 100%finestchinesium officechairs, i think of the famous 'overpressure piston impalement' chair.
1714463;1505424372;mircea_popescu;you've got better chances to be fucked by the boss.
1714464;1505424477;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714318 << the famous aeorns were plastic except for a few parts.
1714465;1505424477;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 16:17 asciilifeform: imho it is interesting and very pete_dushenski's-porche-esque, you can buy a $2k+ chair and still plastic.
1714466;1505424511;mircea_popescu;"That sheer but resistant fabric hit on the right gestalt for where our culture was at."
1714467;1505424568;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714330 << eh don't be silly, so a chair out of ten billion blew.
1714468;1505424568;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 16:33 mod6: i feel like im sitting on a bomb now.
1714469;1505424613;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714333 << much chance of survival, seeing how a state of necessity was just declared, and absent servers there's no digital.
1714470;1505424613;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 16:37 pete_dushenski: lovely logs these last few days btw. material science, cars, some french, shite servers, and design discussions. what doesn't #t have ?
1714471;1505424645;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i actually had one that blew. not anally-punishingly, but 'stake' worked its way through wooden bottom.
1714472;1505424804;mircea_popescu;i never saw such.
1714473;1505424828;asciilifeform;prolly never saw an auto where bottom rusted off onto the pavement either, eh
1714474;1505425021;mircea_popescu;lol. not outside of car cemetery no.
1714475;1505425232;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714392 << in fact, they have nothing to do with anything.\
1714476;1505425232;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 17:44 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i'm not convinced that the exchange ( any and all of them ) price have ANYTHING to do with actual reality
1714477;1505425459;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-mother-of-all-unexpected-visits/ << Trilema - The mother of all unexpected visits
1714478;1505425615;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714452 << the elaborate pile of nonsense usg secreted. "Data was also backed up to Dropbox in huge quantities, the official said. Congressional offices are prohibited from using Dropbox, so an unofficial account was used, meaning Awan could have still had access to the data even though he was banned from the congressional network." ie, "i promise not to use computers!!!"
1714479;1505425615;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 20:34 pete_dushenski: in other server troubles,  http://archive.is/gkWLz
1714480;1505425624;mircea_popescu;wtf, really ? what alt-planed are these schmucks from.
1714481;1505425687;asciilifeform;'but they were provided with an elaborate falsified image designed to hide the massive violations' << but a-ok when clitler lol
1714482;1505425755;mircea_popescu;there was no proof!\
1714483;1505425766;asciilifeform;' Imran, Abid and Jamal Awan and Hina Alvi, Natalia Sova and Rao Abbas ' << quite the orcfest
1714484;1505425773;mircea_popescu;o wait there was. well, some guy who once met trump visited a russian bath!!!1
1714485;1505425782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, cucktards hired a buncha pakis, got raped.
1714486;1505425807;trinque;couldn't help but read latest trilema in the tone of "What ain't no country I've ever heard of! They speak English in What?"
1714487;1505425829;trinque;pretty entertaining
1714488;1505425844;*;asciilifeform always pictures the anal punisher in mircea_popescu's stories speaking in the voice from his canonical ' pig farmin' '
1714489;1505426413;*;BingoBoingo wonders what isp Eugene Alsmith works at
1714490;1505426435;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: whossat?
1714491;1505426450;BingoBoingo;From the trilema
1714492;1505426454;asciilifeform;aaaa
1714493;1505426477;asciilifeform;i'ma picture him in verizon
1714494;1505426568;asciilifeform;there's one right ~next to where i live, massive fortified beauty thing circa '50s with n weeks of diesel, metre-thick walls, etc. and i know it has colo; and many times i tried to lease a cage to be met with 'no, call THEM', 'oh dontchaknow, we sold to Shitcorp last month', 'yeah this is shitco, we never heard of no colo', etc
1714495;1505426602;mircea_popescu;and in other "what's #trilema not got ? a chance at surivival" news, what's the story on the chinese woman ? have we hired one yet ?
1714496;1505426616;asciilifeform;do we even have a d00d who speaks cn yet ?
1714497;1505426619;mircea_popescu;iirc this baby's been pregnant for long enough to make a goat by now.
1714498;1505426624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that was the question.
1714499;1505426625;asciilifeform;( much less a chix )
1714500;1505426677;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo honestly if anything he's moar like dick harper (jim carrey)
1714501;1505426711;mircea_popescu;goodnight F!
1714502;1505426755;asciilifeform;d00d uncorked his wagner an' cyanide or wut.
1714503;1505426775;mircea_popescu;no idea.
1714504;1505426827;pete_dushenski;anyone tried "superbithost" ? they have servers available in non-nato lands (eg. argentina, south africa, dubai), accept btc, and as of may 2017 will accept fuckgoats units by mail to the three aforementioned locales.
1714505;1505426839;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski if you don't stop with this sort of stupid bs ima devoice you.
1714506;1505426859;asciilifeform;'Stay Anonymous With Us!' << oh ferfuxxsake
1714507;1505426888;pete_dushenski;eeks
1714508;1505426898;pete_dushenski;sorry
1714509;1505426928;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: at least consider ~reading~ these before posting...
1714510;1505426998;asciilifeform;'does the copy verbiage literally contain entire phrases from nsa.fleanode's 'private internet fuckery' scamolade ?' if yes -> to /dev/null -- is good firstpass cut, loses 95% of noise
1714511;1505427215;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714464 << i actually had one when slaving for usg ( believe or not, was made ~mandatory~, on 'fire safety' (?!) grounds ) and disassembled in a fit of pique. arseplate -- iron.
1714512;1505427215;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 21:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714318 << the famous aeorns were plastic except for a few parts.
1714513;1505427233;asciilifeform;hey Framedragger ? alive?
1714514;1505427510;asciilifeform;and in other lulz, 21 distinct downloaders of the phuctor snapshot.
1714515;1505427522;asciilifeform;( not counting asciilifeform )
1714516;1505427626;asciilifeform;( some still pumping. naturally the pipe ain't THAT wide )
1714517;1505427723;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1714518;1505427729;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3335.0, vol: 39147.95451725 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3339.6, vol: 121738.31380736 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2897.5, vol: 21584.99830000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3346.4, vol: 15324.3226362 | Volume-weighted last average: 3290.97099376
1714519;1505427825;BingoBoingo;Amazing what actual sorta doom and gloom news does
1714520;1505427866;asciilifeform;völkischer beobachter even made sure to mention a cackling jamie dimon
1714521;1505427869;asciilifeform;just like 2y ago
1714522;1505429464;mircea_popescu;!!up JohnDorian
1714523;1505429464;deedbot;JohnDorian voiced for 30 minutes.
1714524;1505429602;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What does jamie dimon have to do with Francia Raisa wasting a kidney on some disney washout's lupus?
1714525;1505429629;asciilifeform;waiwat
1714526;1505429693;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: he's this d00d, ceo of j p morgan, stands up and does a cackling villain routine whenever btc-usd sheds some chinesium
1714527;1505429751;BingoBoingo;Right, and Francia Raisa has tits that deserve the toxin clearing support offered by dual kidneys
1714528;1505429766;asciilifeform;i have nfi who that is/was
1714529;1505429768;mircea_popescu;o lol look at that, btc down 17%, ethereum 20, bitcoin crash 25, litecoin 30. it's like harmonics.
1714530;1505429772;BingoBoingo;This is some serious gloom
1714531;1505429828;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> o lol look at that, btc down 17%, ethereum 20, bitcoin crash 25, litecoin 30. it's like harmonics. << Ah yeah, just USD noise spike. All altcoins have a few of those as they die
1714532;1505429904;mircea_popescu;typical tripod websites bullshit, i waited for months to float teh ECu, day fucking after they fall over each other to print different-random numbers on their guesbook visitor counters.
1714533;1505429949;BingoBoingo;Well, this just means they waited too.
1714534;1505429977;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
1714535;1505430021;asciilifeform;lol shitcoin still quoted at 0.1224 on shitfinex
1714536;1505430039;mircea_popescu;is that good for altcorn ?
1714537;1505430108;asciilifeform;dunno for whom at this point, i suspect that ~everybody already traded theirs in, so nao the 'official' price can be wahtever hitler likes
1714538;1505430123;mircea_popescu;if "everybody" were composed of rank idiots, yes.
1714539;1505430147;mircea_popescu;fortunately for everyone, it isn't.
1714540;1505430157;*;asciilifeform has nfi
1714541;1505430163;mircea_popescu;fucking hell, even beginner bridge player understands the point of guards and what finesse is.
1714542;1505430187;asciilifeform;in other noose, 2nd continuous day of aerial combat drills over dc
1714543;1505430203;BingoBoingo;Always having more shoe to drop is important when dropping shoe
1714544;1505430210;asciilifeform;loud, ostentatious goldentoilets, on display
1714545;1505430226;BingoBoingo;But how does their exhaust smell?
1714546;1505430231;mircea_popescu;they found some israeli planes they could actually fly somewhere ?
1714547;1505430240;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i didn't climb up into sky to smell it lol
1714548;1505430271;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Insufficient plastic wheel chairs for sky travel?
1714549;1505430283;asciilifeform;insufficient fart thrust.
1714550;1505430332;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714486 << that's quite on point. as they say in what, "the mother of unexpected visits' always pregnant."
1714551;1505430332;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 21:50 trinque: couldn't help but read latest trilema in the tone of "What ain't no country I've ever heard of! They speak English in What?"
1714552;1505430335;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'drill' appears to consist of going round and round in circles. so perhaps was not difficult to find machines that will suffice.
1714553;1505430337;BingoBoingo;Gotta feed that gut flora
1714554;1505430394;BingoBoingo;And bun mounted after burner
1714555;1505430571;BingoBoingo;Or afterbeaner, or wtf
1714556;1505431237;*;asciilifeform writes to umpteenth ru supposed-hoster, with canonical 'Можно ли оплатить хостинг криптовалютой Bitcoin ?' and gets the canonical 'Нет, но вы можете обменять её на рубли (или евро для серверов в Словакии)' ( i.e. pissoff )
1714557;1505432580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why do you imagine shit that's dumb when pete_dushenski does it is any less dumb whewn you do it ?
1714558;1505432586;mircea_popescu;it's fucking dumb, forget about it already.
1714559;1505432599;mircea_popescu;no tmsr hosting === we just close up shop. this is not fucking clear yet ?
1714560;1505432938;mircea_popescu;"oh i know, i'll just find the secret retailer nobody knows about in my quest to not fucking do the job!!!"
1714561;1505432947;mircea_popescu;braindamaged nonsense.
1714562;1505433105;ben_vulpes;what is 'the job' here? make friends with dc(s) and buy/rent/rack own hardware in it/them?
1714563;1505433712;mircea_popescu;sign colo contracts with >1 dcs located outside of usg/nato ; buy and mail them >1 boxes. for bonus points, actually go there and install the items yourself ; and vlog the whole thing.
1714564;1505433851;ben_vulpes;is cn disqualified?
1714565;1505433854;mircea_popescu;nope.
1714566;1505433901;*;ben_vulpes nods
1714567;1505434097;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714560 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714563 << $firm specifically claimed to colo, wat.
1714568;1505434097;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 23:48 mircea_popescu: "oh i know, i'll just find the secret retailer nobody knows about in my quest to not fucking do the job!!!"
1714569;1505434097;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 00:01 mircea_popescu: sign colo contracts with >1 dcs located outside of usg/nato ; buy and mail them >1 boxes. for bonus points, actually go there and install the items yourself ; and vlog the whole thing.
1714570;1505434132;mircea_popescu;you talk to dcs. is "$firm" a datacenter ?
1714571;1505434141;asciilifeform;claimed to be.
1714572;1505434160;mircea_popescu;this is contradictory with your actual statement, "рубли (или евро для серверов в Словакии)".
1714573;1505434162;asciilifeform;and no i dun have any in my l2, so stuck probing rando dc . shared typical example of rubbish, by no means all.
1714574;1505434171;asciilifeform;that was their reply
1714575;1505434178;mircea_popescu;a datacenter is a physical item with a fixed physical location.
1714576;1505434186;mircea_popescu;if it has doubts as to its physical location, it is an isp not a dc.
1714577;1505434189;asciilifeform;they claim to have several dc
1714578;1505434194;mircea_popescu;then they ARE NOT A DC.
1714579;1505434200;mircea_popescu;line ends there.
1714580;1505434215;asciilifeform;where is it written that no 1 co can own >1 dc ?
1714581;1505434218;mircea_popescu;if person "has several houses", person is not person, is real estate agent.
1714582;1505434240;mircea_popescu;i'd have thought this is obvious ; or at least it is to all my girls that were ever sent to put roots down anywhere.
1714583;1505434263;*;asciilifeform knows folx with >1 house who dun fit any plausible description of 'real estate agent'
1714584;1505434270;asciilifeform;what's next, d00d with >1 car, is a taxipark ?
1714585;1505434270;mircea_popescu;exact same here. if they don't know where they're located, they're not any part of this discussion.
1714586;1505434276;mircea_popescu;yes.
1714587;1505434301;mircea_popescu;i am not interested in discussing anything with the over-dcs indirection layer. that is the fucking point.
1714588;1505434315;mircea_popescu;that layer MUST be pierced. that is also the fucking point.
1714589;1505434326;mircea_popescu;much like dns, and for the same reasons as the dns, it does not serve us.
1714590;1505434327;*;asciilifeform possibly grasps mircea_popescu's binomial
1714591;1505434350;asciilifeform;how to pierce reseller spamolade biofilm
1714592;1505434421;mircea_popescu;and as tempting as it may be TO THE NAIVE, this "oh, i found an actually workable one" is what we've been doing for years. there's people in the logs vouching for cherry servers, the FUCKTARDS who outlook.com their email and so following.
1714593;1505434427;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "a good one".
1714594;1505434513;asciilifeform;they're 'good' until there's actual pressure on the gaskets and then not.
1714595;1505434572;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/
1714596;1505434579;mircea_popescu;ownership level must match usage level.
1714597;1505434595;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plz expand ?
1714598;1505434623;mircea_popescu;what's to expand, we're too big to be subletting randos apartments ; must have own brownstone owned outright.
1714599;1505434658;mircea_popescu;we can afford to ; and we must do so. the fact that "nobody" ever lived in any other arrangement than subletting from whoever they were sucking the cock of that month dun enter into it.
1714600;1505435210;asciilifeform;is it absolutely needed that cage provider eat btc ?
1714601;1505435233;asciilifeform;( and is mircea_popescu speaking of literally owning the bricks on which the cage stands ? or only the comp )
1714602;1505435244;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine that it is, no
1714603;1505435261;mircea_popescu;and no, i expect owning the hardware will be sufficient.
1714604;1505435287;asciilifeform;then i found a candidate
1714605;1505435303;asciilifeform;testing ain't cheap or quick tho.
1714606;1505435362;mircea_popescu;sadly, it isn't, which is why this has been a topic for many months now.
1714607;1505435395;asciilifeform;it'd rock if there were already a man on location. but instead it may have to be asciilifeform with very large flat suitcase .
1714608;1505435462;asciilifeform;( it is naturally possible to mail a machine but i strongly suspect that it is simply a way to give enemy phreee hardware )
1714609;1505435574;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with a little bit of travel.
1714610;1505435587;mircea_popescu;keeps the blood moving and besides you never know where the other pet is waiting for you.
1714611;1505435601;asciilifeform;nothing aside from time.
1714612;1505435612;asciilifeform;but yeah
1714613;1505435626;mircea_popescu;make sure you reg a corp and hire a lawyer on location.
1714614;1505435642;asciilifeform;afaik in ru that requires a bona fide citizen.
1714615;1505435644;mircea_popescu;ideally, gift the man a used laptop with pgp on it.
1714616;1505435661;asciilifeform;iirc phf volunteered for this part.
1714617;1505435668;asciilifeform;hey phf !
1714618;1505435681;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so get your citizenship, you never know when it's useful.
1714619;1505435695;asciilifeform;lol would've years ago if they gave it out
1714620;1505435704;mircea_popescu;your parents were nationals weren't they ?
1714621;1505435708;asciilifeform;of su
1714622;1505435716;mircea_popescu;pretty sure they give out.
1714623;1505435735;asciilifeform;not in absentia. gotta live there, like any kazakh or turkmen etc, for decade or sumthing.
1714624;1505435766;*;asciilifeform did inquire, few yrs ago
1714625;1505435774;mircea_popescu;!~google compatriots act 1999
1714626;1505435775;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Citizens and Compatriots - PONARS Eurasia: <http://www.ponarseurasia.org/sites/default/files/policy-memos-pdf/pepm_077.pdf>; Citizenship of Russia - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_Russia>; Russian Federation - Federal Act No. 99-FZ of 24 May 1999 on State ...: (1 more message)
1714627;1505435779;mircea_popescu;all offspring of all soviet citizens.
1714628;1505435800;asciilifeform;eligible for the normal procedure aha
1714629;1505435841;asciilifeform;it ain't a costarica, you gotta actually prove continuous residence & employment ( or alternatively being loaded and then you get passport from mr. p personally signed )
1714630;1505435887;*;mircea_popescu has never experienced this wonder where citizenship is a problem ; but then again whatevs.
1714631;1505435909;mircea_popescu;it's squarely in the class of issues which, provided you have a lawyer pour enough hours into it, ALWAYS gets fixed your way.
1714632;1505435929;asciilifeform;i imagine just about anything short of heat death of universe can be fixed like this, lol
1714633;1505435955;mircea_popescu;so i guess to rephrase, "so start them working on  your citizenship, you never know when it's useful."
1714634;1505435999;mircea_popescu;but no, "us can't make planes" or "White boy can't jump" come well short of heat death of universe, and can't be fixed in the manner.
1714635;1505436048;mircea_popescu;anyway. see what local lawyer has to say. that's what they're for.
1714636;1505436142;mircea_popescu;and, to be perfectly clear : this is entirely non-blocking. much like the logs, if we end up with two ALL THE BETTER.\
1714637;1505436233;asciilifeform;the actual text of their law dun seem the least bit ambiguous re the residency thing. but ianal.
1714638;1505436294;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so spend some bitcents buy a small place in shitberg and pretend like you live there what.
1714639;1505436386;asciilifeform;bitcents lol
1714640;1505436515;asciilifeform;incidentally what exactly does having an officially regged corp in orcistan buy ?
1714641;1505436519;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/der-schlussakkord-o-sopirla/ << Trilema - Der Schlussakkord, o sopirla.
1714642;1505437282;mircea_popescu;well, that there's a local party to whatever agreements ; a local someone to sue or threaten to sue ; and in general, it's a good thing to have.
1714643;1505437299;mircea_popescu;why ~not~ have it ? you need the 500 bux or w/e it is that badly ?
1714644;1505437337;mircea_popescu;there's overprovision that's stupid ; and then there's overprovision that's a matter of course. i've more fuel in the tank than ima going to use on the next sortie ; and more girls than i fuck and more food in the fridge than i eat and why the fuck wouldn't i.
1714645;1505437378;asciilifeform;very easy when you ain't gotta boil own meat to make the fuel
1714646;1505437408;asciilifeform;ftr 500bux barely buys passage to newyork from dc, much less ru.
1714647;1505437409;mircea_popescu;now as to the other point : since you're making it for yourself, see if you can cram 1TB of ram in there for the phuctor box ?
1714648;1505437413;mircea_popescu;and get at least another one.
1714649;1505437423;mircea_popescu;and all this, of course, is going into the s.nsa books.
1714650;1505437446;mircea_popescu;what are you renting, like a 32U rack ?
1714651;1505437451;asciilifeform;1u to start.
1714652;1505437459;mircea_popescu;not worth bothering with less than 4.
1714653;1505437479;asciilifeform;already began to gather the pieces of the box, howdyaguess
1714654;1505437489;mircea_popescu;cuz it's what i do for a living.
1714655;1505437502;*;asciilifeform brb, very neglected pet needs attn
1714656;1505437511;mircea_popescu;and you can do your own seals, as a bonus. at the very least have the girl blow on some nail polish.
1714657;1505437593;mircea_popescu;inb4 alf discovers official corp in shitistan can rent warehouse, which is better arrangement for his domestic factory than shittington "house".
1714658;1505438451;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714646 << under discussion was the corp registration as an add-on, not the whole story.
1714659;1505438451;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 01:03 asciilifeform: ftr 500bux barely buys passage to newyork from dc, much less ru.
1714660;1505438943;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714656 << admittedly was thinking 'spot welder'
1714661;1505438943;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 01:05 mircea_popescu: and you can do your own seals, as a bonus. at the very least have the girl blow on some nail polish.
1714662;1505439005;asciilifeform;unobtrusive, just put 200amps b/w screwhead and chassis.
1714663;1505439308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gpgram plz re prospective contents of the other 3 u.
1714664;1505439324;asciilifeform;( mechanically, speaking )
1714665;1505439618;mircea_popescu;three servers, for to vps out of or whatever.
1714666;1505439636;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform problem is what if you hafta replace item in raid.
1714667;1505439712;mircea_popescu;i dunno, what's reasonable these days ? 256gb / 1+0 4ssd raid / some intel cpu ? or can you find rackable older amds ?
1714668;1505439715;asciilifeform;it's expensive, noshit. ( not as painful as if we had a satallite tho!11 )
1714669;1505439760;asciilifeform;can even have old amd, but with the expected horsepower hit ( and afaik none were made that ate >256G )
1714670;1505439796;mircea_popescu;so then 1, for phuctor, 1tb item ; 1 for special purpose amd, as much as it can carry, and 2 run of the mill, what's to be found at a decent price.
1714671;1505439805;asciilifeform;but yes it looks like a $2-3k to change a dead hdd..
1714672;1505439827;mircea_popescu;that much ? usual cost ~100-150 per hour of tech hands.
1714673;1505439839;asciilifeform;if i gotta do it with own hands then yes
1714674;1505439849;mircea_popescu;doesn't take an hour to do this ; but they do have nimimums so.
1714675;1505439869;asciilifeform;if techs get to do it, then techs get to play with the old disks neh
1714676;1505439873;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you want to do with own hands the correct approach is to seal the box, have redundancy in there, and just switch over, ahve the box mailed to you etc.
1714677;1505439886;asciilifeform;was my thought aha
1714678;1505439887;mircea_popescu;you can't be jumping in a plane seat every time some toshiba pos dies, it's unsanitary.
1714679;1505439895;asciilifeform;raid1 with e.g. 4 hdd
1714680;1505439905;asciilifeform;build it like for orbit.
1714681;1505439908;mircea_popescu;"1+0 4ssd raid" means exactly that.
1714682;1505439922;asciilifeform;recall the 'bottom of the sea' thread.
1714683;1505439929;mircea_popescu;BUT what i meant was, have a box of phuctor racked, and an identical box, stored at the dc (they do offer storage), or even also-racked.
1714684;1505439938;mircea_popescu;if one dies, have them mail it to you, then you mail back.
1714685;1505439948;asciilifeform;notbad idea
1714686;1505439948;mircea_popescu;though this seems drastically overkill.
1714687;1505439960;asciilifeform;prolly beats airplane tho
1714688;1505439963;asciilifeform;costwise.
1714689;1505439977;mircea_popescu;beats airpl;ane, yes. not even a matter of cost, a matter of time and wear-and-tear of the human capital.
1714690;1505439994;mircea_popescu;but esp for phuctor, why bother. what are the local techs gonna do with the old hdd, not like it's not all on the web anyway
1714691;1505440019;asciilifeform;yeah i still can't fathom why they're fixated on pilferage of phuctor hdd
1714692;1505440038;mircea_popescu;likely because that's how they exam take.
1714693;1505440046;mircea_popescu;"oh, we have here hdd!!"
1714694;1505440077;asciilifeform;'quota of hdds covertlyraped this 5yrplan'
1714695;1505440153;mircea_popescu;!!up jawbone
1714696;1505440153;deedbot;jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
1714697;1505442126;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1714698;1505442133;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3425.0, vol: 44636.13554611 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3442.1, vol: 137673.73589006 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3122.197526, vol: 21083.22700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3442.0, vol: 18486.344977 | Volume-weighted last average: 3408.25412895
1714699;1505445111;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/pantsuits-party-reacts-to-pantsuits-book-by-capitulating-to-president-trump/ << Qntra - Pantsuit's Party Reacts To Pantsuit's Book By Capitulating To President Trump
1714700;1505445536;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/sjwhate/comments/702e9g/the_rise_of_white_identity_explained/ << For the recordbot
1714701;1505445538;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i must admit that i found it utterly impossible to determine what the piece ^ is actually about
1714702;1505445545;asciilifeform;from the text
1714703;1505445552;asciilifeform;( or for that matter, at all )
1714704;1505445598;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Hillary published a book. The timing of the book's release coincides with Pelosi and Schumer moistening Herr Trump's balls.
1714705;1505445611;asciilifeform;expand re the latter ?
1714706;1505445652;BingoBoingo;They are going to white house dinners, and making "frameworks for future deals"
1714707;1505445691;asciilifeform;dun necessarily mean future deals with the old man, whose balls appear to have crumbled when prodded, like tutankhamon's - does it
1714708;1505445728;asciilifeform;could just as easily mean with mr. joo or the rest.
1714709;1505445729;BingoBoingo;Now because of this Herr Trump is lavishing praise on them for "bipartisanship" while pantsuit's media arm is still villainizing him
1714710;1505445751;BingoBoingo;next year is a congressional election year
1714711;1505445762;BingoBoingo;congressional elections get primaries too
1714712;1505445828;asciilifeform;tru
1714713;1505445837;BingoBoingo;By accepting Trump's hospitality those primary elections are getting much more expensive
1714714;1505445841;mircea_popescu;it's not just "antifa" that got shed.
1714715;1505445855;mircea_popescu;in an amusing turn of events, dnc is actually shedding the jew press.
1714716;1505445890;mircea_popescu;perfectly reasonable in economic terms, as they cost more than they make, but entirely incomprehensible in jew press terms, because they really thought they were princesses, somehow.
1714717;1505446031;asciilifeform;it isn't as if the folx they import for voting, read papers
1714718;1505446052;asciilifeform;so it never made sense to my naked eye why feed a deeply -ev nyt etc
1714719;1505446086;mircea_popescu;i didn't even mean financially, that part is you know, necessary bundle with the bezzle. i meant actually in ideal terms. intellectually, ideologically, however you'd call it.
1714720;1505446090;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> in an amusing turn of events, dnc is actually shedding the jew press. << Turn out Bezos is really going to get cooked
1714721;1505446138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment -- how does nyt et al 'cost' moar - intellectually - than pravda et al ?
1714722;1505446188;mircea_popescu;because of the pretense of "creativity" as in http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/ 3rd point.
1714723;1505446208;mircea_popescu;pravda was intellectually very simple and unassuming : here's shannonized gosplan.
1714724;1505446240;mircea_popescu;this is very much a work of "it was a rainy night in december, i was having my tonsils basted when i stumbled on a copy of the gosplan blablabla"
1714725;1505446285;mircea_popescu;it was comparatively easy to discern bad pravda copy from acceptable ; it is nigh on impossiblew to do same for washington post, nytimes and other fishwrappers, which is why the cloud of successive layers of "discussion" and "disagreement" and "critique" and so following.
1714726;1505446307;mircea_popescu;as none of this has anything to do with reality, none of it is in any way beneficial, but 100% overhead.
1714727;1505446330;asciilifeform;most of what's in wapo, nyt, et al is just samely formulaic as pravda front matter tho
1714728;1505446334;mircea_popescu;in other words, pravda was a cutout triangle, whereas this is a 3d pyramid. way the fuck more material sinks in.
1714729;1505446347;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform under the pressure of necessity, it has to be.
1714730;1505446364;asciilifeform;'looksy, chix studing envirowhinetronics in kabul! fleadom!' 'ohnoez terrorists' 'ru stooges in whitehouse' etc
1714731;1505446398;mircea_popescu;but look at the idiotic pieces that fucktard "economist" meanwhile entirely ...
1714732;1505446414;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> most of what's in wapo, nyt, et al is just samely formulaic as pravda front matter tho << But NYT, WAPO, etc are only INTERNALLY concordant. Reconciling the different NYT and WAPO creativities is noise generation
1714733;1505446416;mircea_popescu;god. wtf was the wanna-be big deal da who got von flondored recently ?
1714734;1505446427;asciilifeform;this is probably where i admit that i can't actually stomach a whole wapo front to back
1714735;1505446437;mircea_popescu;because there was some "economist" that was churning out curtis yarvinesque pieces that got similarily von flondored, except quietlier-ly
1714736;1505446471;*;BingoBoingo can't recall
1714737;1505446491;mircea_popescu;krugman!
1714738;1505446500;asciilifeform;waiwat he's gone?!
1714739;1505446501;BingoBoingo;OH?!
1714740;1505446502;asciilifeform;nowai
1714741;1505446529;mircea_popescu;so, look at the shit krugman was churning out, or for that matter look at the shit paul graham was churning out. or yes, yarvin.
1714742;1505446548;asciilifeform;last i knew all 3 had their sinecures and microphones
1714743;1505446548;mircea_popescu;the proof positive of how expensive the idiocy was, is that they've failed to keep it up over time.
1714744;1505446555;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but no content!
1714745;1505446578;mircea_popescu;that's what "too expensive intellectually" means. they can't keep coming up with the dumb shit.
1714746;1505446598;asciilifeform;they had content!?
1714747;1505446608;BingoBoingo;Aha
1714748;1505446610;mircea_popescu;this is the thermodynamic brick wall of socialism. it's sterile in fiction.
1714749;1505446622;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They had wordcount and utterance count
1714750;1505446640;asciilifeform;next step is the use of actual shannonizer. why not
1714751;1505446645;mircea_popescu;and soudnbyte count, and quotability index and in general, before the mayo got cut by trilema & friends, it was an actual mayo.
1714752;1505446654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because then it's ~pravda.
1714753;1505446654;asciilifeform;goodenuff for nigerian spam, why not wapo.
1714754;1505446670;asciilifeform;i already can distinguish it only with great difficulty from pravda
1714755;1505446670;mircea_popescu;of course that's the next step, but it's a step down in in-universe terms.
1714756;1505446680;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> goodenuff for nigerian spam, why not wapo. << Shannonizer doesn't do pro-Amazon lobbying and ad copy
1714757;1505446695;asciilifeform;and i dare say 'малая земля' was moar interesting reading than 'words of my daddy' or what was it
1714758;1505446710;mircea_popescu;he meant, "it's good enough for random mfa, why not good enough for ogilvy-mathers". and he has a point -- it is good enough.
1714759;1505446760;BingoBoingo;Sure, but Wapo's purpose is promoting Bezos pantsuitism. If wapo shirks this Bezos gets anti-trust stick
1714760;1505446777;asciilifeform;lolsuuuree right after microshit
1714761;1505446808;asciilifeform;the d00d who runs универмаг totally gets antitrusted ahaha.
1714762;1505446810;mircea_popescu;for log completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714731 should read "but look at the idiotic pieces krugman used to shit out before getting preet'd on the quiet"
1714763;1505446810;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 03:33 mircea_popescu: but look at the idiotic pieces that fucktard "economist" meanwhile entirely ...
1714764;1505446881;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : New York U.S. attorney Preet Bharara says Trump fired him - USA Today mar 11 ; New York AG Hires Bharara Corruption Guy to Look Into Trump - NYMag mar 20
1714765;1505446893;mircea_popescu;september 14th says hello to you, brave soviets of yesterspring!
1714766;1505447185;BingoBoingo;Preets don't have spring. Their seasons are monsoon and not monsoon.
1714767;1505447562;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1714768;1505447574;mircea_popescu;and "left wing intellectuals" don't have much wind.
1714769;1505447604;mircea_popescu;as if there even could fucking be such a thing, as an intellectual, ie, somehow who cultivates his mind, who is left, which is to say dedicated to stupidity.
1714770;1505447648;mircea_popescu;for the same money i'd like some flying submarines and you know, maga.
1714771;1505447816;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the slut depo, https://68.media.tumblr.com/3cda6174673c5aeb357d537d4914ff09/tumblr_nu4e6rHomc1u462dao1_1280.jpg
1714772;1505448359;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/ << o check it out, remember anton something or the other, what's his face.
1714773;1505448364;mircea_popescu;BITCOIN EXPERT of yore
1714774;1505451161;*;asciilifeform meanwhile picked up new pulse welder an' electrodez
1714775;1505458606;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1479...0707 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.251.133.92 (ssh-rsa key from 80.251.133.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (postprazdnik.ru. RU MOW)
1714776;1505458606;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E668E8C9185CD163C976FB378648E3842D4774D508DB7C3B13C43DB30E92C064 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1739...1219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.251.133.92 (ssh-rsa key from 80.251.133.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (postprazdnik.ru. RU MOW)
1714777;1505469029;BingoBoingo;In other petite flondorings, a climatarast https://archive.is/DdcPi
1714778;1505469053;BingoBoingo;WTF: "“Although you have a doctorate, I doubt that you teach. Although you have a doctorate, I doubt that you do research,” Schlesinger wrote to a disabilities services specialist at the university, announcing his departure last week. He accused the staff member of writing him “coercive emails” about the accommodation and copied his entire class on climate and global change on the exchange."
1714779;1505469081;BingoBoingo;When's the fun?
1714780;1505469249;BingoBoingo;Ah, here it is from Mr. Climatarast: "While he gave all of his students hard copies of his lecture notes before class, he said, he didn’t provide electronic copies because “based on my experience of providing all my students my lecture slides after each lecture for most if not all of the 16 times I have taught this course, I knew that one-third of my class would cease coming to my lectures if I provided them my lecture slides electro
1714781;1505469249;BingoBoingo;nically. And their ceasing to attend my lectures would lower their course grades.”"
1714782;1505487854;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tvyG8/?raw=true
1714783;1505487855;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1714784;1505491704;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/15/a-very-ordinary-idea-a-simple-statement-of-a-known-fact/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A very ordinary idea, a simple statement of a known fact.
1714785;1505495836;asciilifeform;!!up fcbl
1714786;1505495837;deedbot;fcbl voiced for 30 minutes.
1714787;1505496544;trinque;fcbl: speak, mortal.
1714788;1505496778;fcbl;hail
1714789;1505496791;fcbl;I am here to listen
1714790;1505496808;asciilifeform;fcbl: you know, there's a log , right ?
1714791;1505496813;fcbl;Mircea's blog brought me here
1714792;1505496849;fcbl;don't really know how to get to it
1714793;1505496882;asciilifeform;fcbl: http://btcbase.org/log and there are mirrors, log.mkj.lt/trilema/today , logs.bvulpes.com .
1714794;1505496919;fcbl;thank you
1714795;1505496960;fcbl;appreciate that
1714796;1505496983;fcbl;I usually understand about 20% I think about what's discussed
1714797;1505496987;fcbl;but I try to catch on
1714798;1505497060;shinohai;It takes time to accustom oneself to the vernacular here, reading logs back as far as you dare will help.
1714799;1505497145;fcbl;I dare it all :)
1714800;1505497185;fcbl;have been reading Trilema since 10 years ago
1714801;1505497191;fcbl;never left me
1714802;1505499212;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1714803;1505499219;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3647.7, vol: 63482.87964197 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3649.5, vol: 192025.44633625 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3053.526, vol: 3235.45040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3717.8, vol: 23668.5989987 | Volume-weighted last average: 3647.99175098
1714804;1505500772;BingoBoingo;Diverse news https://i.imgur.com/2xXBSYv.jpg
1714805;1505500853;trinque;lol
1714806;1505500887;trinque;in all fairness, the kid didn't try to use the parts for chair, food, hat.
1714807;1505500933;asciilifeform;hey here in usa we had 'clock boy'
1714808;1505500939;asciilifeform;( whatever happened to that )
1714809;1505501019;BingoBoingo;Clock boy became great again or something
1714810;1505501065;trinque;went to qatar or something.
1714811;1505501095;trinque;which iirc is lately un-great-again.
1714812;1505501153;*;asciilifeform simply assumed that d00d reached some absorbingstate or other, couldn't be arsed to follow the nonsense
1714813;1505502661;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu !
1714814;1505502709;mod6;afternoon o7
1714815;1505502753;mircea_popescu;hola
1714816;1505502754;*;asciilifeform still thinks 'o7' == 'brigadier general'
1714817;1505502766;mod6;lol.
1714818;1505503492;BingoBoingo;Eh contortionist girl salute 87 is better
1714819;1505503679;mod6;ooh, i like that
1714820;1505503848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/w984V/?raw=true
1714821;1505503865;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's so contortionist about hand over tits ?
1714822;1505503904;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it
1714823;1505503922;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's not hand over tits. It's Foot over tits over ass, with head, other leg, arms folded out of view behind body
1714824;1505503955;mircea_popescu;you are a demanding iconographer BingoBoingo
1714825;1505503968;mircea_popescu;!!up fcbl
1714826;1505503968;deedbot;fcbl voiced for 30 minutes.
1714827;1505503987;mircea_popescu;were you ever here befoar, comanescule ?
1714828;1505503996;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I demand my symbols reflect reality
1714829;1505504009;mircea_popescu;that's why they're so polished then
1714830;1505504031;fcbl;aye
1714831;1505504035;fcbl;a week ago
1714832;1505504043;fcbl;for the first time Sir
1714833;1505504049;mircea_popescu;lumea s-a schimbat mei.
1714834;1505504052;fcbl;(I was F on Trilema longer time ago)
1714835;1505504057;mircea_popescu;i know.
1714836;1505504079;fcbl;I'm honored you remember
1714837;1505504089;mircea_popescu;i never forget a name
1714838;1505504089;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> that's why they're so polished then << Shiny and Chrome
1714839;1505504091;mircea_popescu;har har
1714840;1505504220;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1714841;1505504227;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3725.0, vol: 62269.03865551 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3699.8, vol: 187545.01546303 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3052.0, vol: 3216.24660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3745.0, vol: 22973.5685101 | Volume-weighted last average: 3701.69888832
1714842;1505504250;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo o noes, no moar up up up ?!
1714843;1505504269;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714800 << might want to reg your pgp key. you have one do you ?
1714844;1505504269;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 17:39 fcbl: have been reading Trilema since 10 years ago
1714845;1505504304;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA, Dollar's back to crashing again. Just down to month or two ago crashingness again
1714846;1505504353;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714804 << i can't discern if this is self-parody or exo-parody ?
1714847;1505504353;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 18:39 BingoBoingo: Diverse news https://i.imgur.com/2xXBSYv.jpg
1714848;1505504387;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Appears to actually be earnest publication
1714849;1505504407;mircea_popescu;ONE POUND worth of unintentional irony self-crits ?
1714850;1505504411;mircea_popescu;i'd say that's abotu fair.
1714851;1505504466;BingoBoingo;It's the way of zaire (pronoun) people
1714852;1505504470;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714810 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713741 roflmao.
1714853;1505504470;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 18:44 trinque: went to qatar or something.
1714854;1505504470;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 19:29 mircea_popescu: that "trademark" is now owned by unilever, as you might've guessed, and it's used to sell items in qatar, as you might've also guessed. the point being that the poor rich arabs are trying to salvage whatever's left of the tsar's pile of salvaged material, today.
1714855;1505504521;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/media-and-clergy-orchestrated-civil-disorder-erupts-in-downtown-st-louis-after-acquittal/ << Qntra - Media And Clergy Orchestrated Civil Disorder Erupts In Downtown St Louis After Acquittal
1714856;1505504610;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fwiw that's a charged term in central empire (царь-государь lands) because the main character in crna macka was zare. and he doth get the girl.
1714857;1505504682;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's also what Mobutu Sese Seko  misgendernamed the Congo as
1714858;1505504687;mircea_popescu;yea
1714859;1505504721;mircea_popescu;somehow the earlier "change you can believe in" / "hope and change" blue usg brought to congo as obama I never stuck to them.
1714860;1505504760;mircea_popescu;really, anyone expected Obama II embodied in Hussein Bahamas turn out any fucking different from Obama I dry run, CIA and Mobutu love story ?
1714861;1505504848;BingoBoingo;Well Hussein Bahamas is just as much CIA creature as Bush I, in that way more Bush than W. was
1714862;1505504867;mircea_popescu;certainly blue state creature.
1714863;1505504877;mircea_popescu;bush, kinda pink.
1714864;1505504890;mircea_popescu;or w/e, purple. something in between
1714865;1505504907;BingoBoingo;Bush I was solidly murple
1714866;1505504951;mircea_popescu;it's funny, what multi-generational retards the us breeds.
1714867;1505504963;mircea_popescu;bush fambly perhaps best example of how not to keep livestock.
1714868;1505505084;BingoBoingo;Hey, the Belgians still made the most fashionable of the Congo Mao suits
1714869;1505505113;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at "we're really very gay, but haven't yet figured out how to work the schlongs, only woman knows teh secrets" camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/42098db929861153ec16f4dd90e896d0/tumblr_ntj118mBaJ1uaofddo1_400.gif
1714870;1505505340;BingoBoingo;http://thegoldwater.com/news/8115-Suck-My-D-ck-Driver-Says-before-Plowing-through-BLM << From civil disorder practice earlier this week. SUV man now local folk hero
1714871;1505505363;mircea_popescu;lol
1714872;1505505424;mircea_popescu;hey, aborting a whole ream of escaped avortons in one go. i can see the arousal potential.
1714873;1505505425;BingoBoingo;"Stockley shot Smith five separate times and prosecutors argued during the trial that Stockley put a gun in Smith’s car after the encounter." << Per the verdict there was no fifth shot.
1714874;1505505469;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well he just told them to fuck off and made them get out of his white way
1714875;1505505483;mircea_popescu;oh i thought he was talking to passenger
1714876;1505505553;BingoBoingo;Oh, I dunno
1714877;1505505556;mircea_popescu;anyway, the blm bullshit is straight up argentina import.
1714878;1505505785;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at slavegirl camp, "say no to the o!" http://friskyb.tumblr.com/post/165154383535/sntto-day-8
1714879;1505505788;mircea_popescu;!!up NotEvenWrong
1714880;1505505788;deedbot;NotEvenWrong voiced for 30 minutes.
1714881;1505505819;NotEvenWrong;Gentlemen! The strangest thing happened to me yesterday: people voluntary exchanged their bitcoin for my bcrash!
1714882;1505505833;mircea_popescu;good for you.
1714883;1505505842;NotEvenWrong;at a rate of 0.125, no less!
1714884;1505505895;mircea_popescu;well, so you deed a good deed, released some schmucks from their burden
1714885;1505505897;NotEvenWrong;many thanks to all for the wonderful logs
1714886;1505505919;mircea_popescu;back when teh usg still had any hope, it was 0.14x even
1714887;1505505935;NotEvenWrong;It was at 0.22 a few weeks back(!)
1714888;1505505961;NotEvenWrong;I'm actually about to help a friend dump his
1714889;1505506008;mircea_popescu;and also, "why make the breast pump hand held when it could be STEEL CHASSIS ?!?!?!" http://68.media.tumblr.com/4305a909780c8c074f0a67accaa6e8b2/tumblr_o6jz94RWl11svlhezo1_1280.jpg
1714890;1505506776;mod6;nice pumps
1714891;1505506805;asciilifeform;moo..
1714892;1505508486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, the convention is that girls who feel a deep urge to be so abused answer "moo" to that pic.
1714893;1505508492;asciilifeform;lol!
1714894;1505508606;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tMAgD/?raw=true << illustrative.
1714895;1505508691;asciilifeform;oh speaking of this, asciilifeform's pet had response to mircea_popescu's 'o sopirla' : 'there is also an inverse sopirla, where an item has the outward pretense of disobedience, but in fact reaffirms pantsuit orthodoxy. did the romanians have a name for it as well?'
1714896;1505508774;mircea_popescu;no, because the first romanian to ever notice this exists was called mircea popescu.
1714897;1505508783;asciilifeform;lolk
1714898;1505508785;mircea_popescu;that's the advantage of living in a small pond, the exact opposite of the problem of math.
1714899;1505508792;*;asciilifeform can picture
1714900;1505508823;mircea_popescu;i suppose you could stretch "hypocrisy" to try and fit it, if you must.
1714901;1505508843;asciilifeform;nah unspecific
1714902;1505508853;mircea_popescu;well you could also call it graham, or yarvin, or somesuch.
1714903;1505508860;asciilifeform;sopirla is very delectably specific
1714904;1505508865;asciilifeform;lol
1714905;1505508910;mircea_popescu;but the phenomenon of "think outside the box! in the sense of out of that one and into this one!" is very widespread, which is why such shock and awe as in eg http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/#comment-119962
1714906;1505508985;mircea_popescu;and the problem is also a LOT bigger than commonly understood. a scientist's ability to produce anything meaningful is forever trapped in the superifical tension of a very narrow menisc : between him being caught in a certain box ("paradigm") but not in the other one ("orthodoxy").
1714907;1505509013;mircea_popescu;too loose and he won't be comprehended, like poisson couldn't read galois, notwithstanding certain talent and ability.
1714908;1505509015;asciilifeform;!#s hill climbing
1714909;1505509015;a111;5 results for "hill climbing", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hill%20climbing
1714910;1505509019;asciilifeform;^ thread somewhere
1714911;1505509027;mircea_popescu;too tight and it won't be worth reading, like all the nature science being pushed out by the shovelful.
1714912;1505509044;mircea_popescu;nature-mag science.
1714913;1505509051;asciilifeform;it's a fundamental tension in ~everything~, because it is in fact an information-theoretical problem and not at all domain-specific
1714914;1505509070;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as information theoretical, seeing how information has an actual thermodynamic backing.
1714915;1505509089;mircea_popescu;it is purely theoretical! as in theoretical physics theoretical.
1714916;1505509091;asciilifeform;yayagodcreatedintegersandallelseisworkofman etc
1714917;1505509130;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "if one built a cylinder with independent pistons and a partition, and put a single molecule in, and knew on which side it found itself, that one could extract entropy work out of the assemblage!"
1714918;1505509175;mircea_popescu;!~google szilard engine
1714919;1505509176;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Szilard engine - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/%3Ftitle%3DSzilard_engine%26redirect%3Dno>; Entropy in thermodynamics and information theory - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_in_thermodynamics_and_information_theory>; Szilard's engine – Powered by Knowledge – The Quantum and ...: <http://www.quantumcomplexity.org/tutorials/knowledge-is-power-the-energy-cont
1714920;1505509215;mircea_popescu;the work is quite specifically k T ln2.
1714921;1505509332;mircea_popescu;which is what i mean by "entropy work". $value-of-entropy work.
1714922;1505509581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'szilard's engine' believe or not has a more ancient ru peasant existence!111 in the proverb 'Знал бы где упасть -- соломки бы подстелил' .
1714923;1505509596;mircea_popescu;lol!
1714924;1505509603;asciilifeform;aaha.
1714925;1505509609;mircea_popescu;yes, it's not exactly novel.
1714926;1505509826;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wk4BV/?raw=true
1714927;1505509869;asciilifeform;got it!
1714928;1505510101;mircea_popescu;anyway, to get back to the boxen : the correct solution to "how much box" is, on the basis of both practical observation (every time tought, either as science, or as art, or as political work worked to date ; not to mention coral growth and everything else) as well as theoretical understanding is to provide SPURS instead of walls.
1714929;1505510137;mircea_popescu;because that's how you resolve the "i can't tell if this young'un is galois or insane" in practice of elder, slower, heavier gents : "follow ONE fucking spur to allow me to organize your nonsense, god damn it!"
1714930;1505510175;mircea_popescu;then if you really care about 2d, 3d, nd effects we can... guess what... examine further orthogonal ones ?! wow!
1714931;1505510206;mircea_popescu;it's ~ what "causes, not purposes" does irl, as a forinstance.
1714932;1505511666;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cjPxB/?raw=true
1714933;1505511800;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714617 << goal is to establish co in moscows, and put a colo on its name? i can make inquiries about at least some of the steps, but not sure i'll be able to perform all the necessary actions in the time left.
1714934;1505511800;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 00:34 asciilifeform: hey phf !
1714935;1505511826;asciilifeform;phf: get the corp at least. you're the only 1 here who can at reasonable expense.
1714936;1505511866;asciilifeform;believe or not asciilifeform has 0 usable ties to ru at all. not even the ancient pieces of paper, survived.
1714937;1505511971;asciilifeform;phf: and gpgram with mircea_popescu , things are in (a sort of ) motion.
1714938;1505512255;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1714939;1505512265;mircea_popescu;phf yeah, do you have a muscovi corp reg'd ?
1714940;1505513025;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, asciilifeform is trying the newton'smethod thing
1714941;1505513175;mircea_popescu;the what now ?
1714942;1505513192;asciilifeform;the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713533
1714943;1505513192;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 17:48 apeloyee: reciprocal can be calculated with newton's method
1714944;1505513197;mircea_popescu;ah
1714945;1505513281;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in poor girl shoeshining stand, http://68.media.tumblr.com/aa0e01517041655ea1745eb15b61d4bf/tumblr_nhpmqvFGDL1rjkemgo1_400.gif
1714946;1505513295;asciilifeform;lol!!
1714947;1505513320;asciilifeform;new meaning to 'bootlicks'
1714948;1505513407;shinohai;New meaning to "shinebox"
1714949;1505513488;trinque;new meaning to trenchfoot
1714950;1505513530;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/bbe5125070485270bc12420e9cefa0fc/tumblr_oi5tjnJ3JC1su4pcbo1_1280.jpg <<< shhhh!
1714951;1505513557;trinque;lol!
1714952;1505516140;mod6;nice snapper
1714953;1505518632;kanzure;asciilifeform: so what was your better than inkjet deposition solution thing?
1714954;1505518709;kanzure;i was in dc yesterday attending a dna synthesis meeting organied by iarpa. they want 10^14 data write with dna.
1714955;1505518726;kanzure;+z
1714956;1505518753;asciilifeform;wait i had one?!
1714957;1505518772;asciilifeform;10e14 of wat ? bits ? MB ? GB ?
1714958;1505518809;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1714959;1505518812;kanzure;sorry, that was the wrong number. 10^14 bits is today's write demand.
1714960;1505518815;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3675.13, vol: 60790.51702659 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3672.1, vol: 184588.91232251 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3051.98474, vol: 3044.97490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3706.1, vol: 22312.0909273 | Volume-weighted last average: 3668.60793646
1714961;1505518828;asciilifeform;and write on what?
1714962;1505518844;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Presumably african frog?
1714963;1505518848;kanzure;anyway the concern is that there's not enough pure silicon available to make enough flash memory for future projected demands of like 2^28 bits in ~20 years.
1714964;1505518869;asciilifeform;and so instead write with dna, a mol of which weighs approx what young elephant weighs ?
1714965;1505518880;asciilifeform;makes tape look pretty good
1714966;1505518895;kanzure;10^14 kg of wafer-grade silicon vs 1 kg dna
1714967;1505518905;asciilifeform;'folx who refuse to do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense' as mccarthy put it
1714968;1505518921;kanzure;and i think it's like 1 picogram/bit for flash memory..
1714969;1505518930;asciilifeform;and precisely how are we to run out of si, the #1 abundant element in the planet's crust ?!
1714970;1505518932;asciilifeform;holyfuq
1714971;1505518953;kanzure;we currently are not processing beach sand for semiconductor wafers
1714972;1505518981;BingoBoingo;What sand the future processes is the future's problem
1714973;1505518988;asciilifeform;this 'pack the planet with bodies until everywhere looks like a crowded lift' thing ain't long for this world, kanzure
1714974;1505519014;asciilifeform;and certainly the 'and give each an ipnoje so he'll shuddup' ain't either.
1714975;1505519031;kanzure;these cat pics are important
1714976;1505519069;asciilifeform;y'know the meat device for displaying those is already built : there's 1 on my windowsill atm
1714977;1505519103;kanzure;but the nsa can't use that to capture and store all the packets..
1714978;1505519130;asciilifeform;on 2nd thought 'nsa stores packets on dna' is just the right kind of starwars idiocy that oughta be encouraged.
1714979;1505519137;BingoBoingo;^
1714980;1505519164;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Imagine when those bits spoil in the heat of Utah desert!
1714981;1505519190;*;asciilifeform pictures yeast storage, and seekrit usg brewery
1714982;1505519195;mircea_popescu;how come these tards manage to always "be concerned" about "future" insufficiency ?
1714983;1505519205;mircea_popescu;THEYRE INSUFFICIENT TODAY! and enoughly so for anyone!
1714984;1505519222;asciilifeform;they got meat production 5year plan, y'see
1714985;1505519226;kanzure;i typed 50 pages of notes (about 30k words) but i'm not sure it should be considered public
1714986;1505519229;mircea_popescu;there's not enough si, check that dumb shit out, only the most common material in crust.
1714987;1505519239;mircea_popescu;kanzure actually, it should be considered manure.
1714988;1505519240;asciilifeform;see that there living room ? it's to have 50 somalis in it by end of 5yplan.
1714989;1505519294;kanzure;not enough silicon of the type that is used
1714990;1505519298;mircea_popescu;i can promise you absolutely nobody will ever read it. in this sense "whether it's public" is not unlike rosie mcdowell wondering if her cunt's got privacy.
1714991;1505519305;asciilifeform;kanzure: i spilled the beans from a similar darpa conference that i attended, in the heart of the beast itself, few yrs back ( it's in the l0gz, spoiler : multilinear map homomorphic crypto is bunkum ) and still waiting for gasenwagen
1714992;1505519310;mircea_popescu;in point of hact, her uglty snatch is private no matter what she does.
1714993;1505519325;kanzure;bilinear maps are the future tho
1714994;1505519341;asciilifeform;apple trees on mars!111
1714995;1505519363;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/simons-institute/pairing-cryptography/
1714996;1505519385;asciilifeform;!#s boneh
1714997;1505519386;a111;18 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh
1714998;1505519391;asciilifeform;kanzure ^ for your enjoyment
1714999;1505519421;mircea_popescu;i don't think he reads anything that's not patently idiotic.
1715000;1505519427;mircea_popescu;sort of like a self-preservation mechanism.
1715001;1505519431;asciilifeform;so far shows no symptoms of doing so, no
1715002;1505519471;BingoBoingo;So this "Sally Hemmings And The Widower" Fanfic/novel, I'm not finding anyway to work crabapple metaphor into unifying narrative
1715003;1505519478;asciilifeform;boneh is imho an interesting example of a man who thought that intellectual and political integrity were severable
1715004;1505519482;asciilifeform;and ended up without either
1715005;1505519501;mircea_popescu;interesting point.
1715006;1505519503;BingoBoingo;!#s crabapple
1715007;1505519504;a111;1 result for "crabapple", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=crabapple
1715008;1505519507;*;asciilifeform met the d00d in the meat
1715009;1505519531;asciilifeform;he's an older, smaller-calibre bernstein
1715010;1505519533;BingoBoingo;!#s apple
1715011;1505519534;a111;1911 results for "apple", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=apple
1715012;1505519546;BingoBoingo;!#s crab apple
1715013;1505519547;a111;1 result for "crab apple", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=crab%20apple
1715014;1505519595;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687761
1715015;1505519595;a111;Logged on 2017-07-20 20:56 mircea_popescu: ~everyone there's sick of the "rich" arab nations as of crab apples.
1715016;1505519628;asciilifeform;kanzure: if the year were 1995 and you were on sci.crypt and the denizen loon is promising 'zipper that zips 100MB into 100kB' you would laugh. but you do not laugh at publickkeysignatureaggregation ?!
1715017;1505519632;asciilifeform;pray tell why not.
1715018;1505519653;asciilifeform;and this is only one of the pseudoscientific horrors that boneh is pushing today.
1715019;1505519669;mircea_popescu;i don't expect he's familiar.
1715020;1505519669;asciilifeform;( flavoured with much proofyjuice of course )
1715021;1505519682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is explicitly mentioned in kanzure's link, which is why i use as example
1715022;1505519685;mircea_popescu;you don't correctly grasp the level of superficiality involved.
1715023;1505519695;mircea_popescu;remember, "atmospheric feeding".
1715024;1505519699;asciilifeform;plus obsessed over in the #wizards heathen pit where kanzure is known to dwell
1715025;1505519703;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's meaningless.
1715026;1505519704;asciilifeform;so betcha he knows.
1715027;1505519716;mircea_popescu;what's the definition of "know" contemplated here ?
1715028;1505519744;asciilifeform;1) knows how $algo worx 2) knows how it fails, and eventually produces phantom sigs 3) knows who pushes it 4) knows why
1715029;1505519749;mircea_popescu;"visually recognizes string, like parrot" or somesuch ?
1715030;1505519750;mircea_popescu;absolutely not.
1715031;1505519753;BingoBoingo;Know is a prejudicial un-solarshaded term
1715032;1505519783;kanzure;just last week i was in SF because http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-core-dev-tech/2017-09-06-signature-aggregation/
1715033;1505519790;asciilifeform;aha!
1715034;1505519797;asciilifeform;knows.
1715035;1505519805;kanzure;i wasn't aware that i had to report my whereabouts to you guys but whatever
1715036;1505519816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he was there in the sense wino was in bar. it takes a very special sort of someone to imagine they were there because they went to listen to the band.
1715037;1505519818;asciilifeform;kanzure: really nobody gives half a shit
1715038;1505519830;asciilifeform;i presume that d00d knows because he is not unintelligent.
1715039;1505519834;kanzure;you don't give me giga shits?
1715040;1505519855;mircea_popescu;you understand this is how the shit works, yes ? there's the bars, and there's the bar flies, and there's the indie bands. the relationship between all three is entirely coincidental.
1715041;1505519876;mircea_popescu;people-who-go-to-conferences, ie bar flies, will at any point be in a conference hall. this has no relation to anything else.
1715042;1505519877;asciilifeform;now i have nfi actually re kanzure . but boneh knows very well what he's doing.
1715043;1505519882;kanzure;https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~mihir/papers/multisignatures-ccs.pdf
1715044;1505519889;mircea_popescu;people-who-talk-at-conferences, ie indie bands, will at any point also be in a conference hall.
1715045;1505519891;asciilifeform;his nuremberg defense will be challenging.
1715046;1505519896;mircea_popescu;the whole thing is driven by the bar.
1715047;1505519921;asciilifeform;so kanzure wouldja humour me, and say to me why i cannot compress a 1000TB backup into a 1024byte sig
1715048;1505519924;mircea_popescu;ie, if it has seats and a stage there's going to be some kind of fly land on each.
1715049;1505519926;asciilifeform;and get it out again
1715050;1505519930;kanzure;anyway thanks for the encouragement about public releasing (d|i)arpa notes
1715051;1505519942;kanzure;why are you doing compression
1715052;1505519958;asciilifeform;to show how ludicrous the claim of 'aggregate N signatures into fixed space'
1715053;1505519966;kanzure;i thought this was about authorization
1715054;1505519981;asciilifeform;it is about informationtheoretical impossibility of the claim, period
1715055;1505519993;asciilifeform;and the inadmissibility of lossy operations in crypto
1715056;1505520030;mircea_popescu;you're so far from any kind of shared priors, there's absolutely no possible result here.
1715057;1505520033;asciilifeform;and the people who made devil's bargain with usg, supposed 'academics' who lie for money like the lowest crack whore does not.
1715058;1505520061;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do regularly try to find some shared prior.
1715059;1505520080;mircea_popescu;i would say the matter's come to its natural conclusion : dude's came up with any of the usual explanation of why i'm rich and he's poor ; and will continue with his idiotic tack indefinitely.
1715060;1505520098;asciilifeform;hm i must've missed this thread
1715061;1505520102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is strictly impossible to have. he is dedicated to being stupid, and i suspect by now too old for any change to be even arguably +ev.
1715062;1505520104;mircea_popescu;he'll die dumb.
1715063;1505520166;mircea_popescu;!!rate kanzure -10 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715062
1715064;1505520166;a111;Logged on 2017-09-16 00:01 mircea_popescu: he'll die dumb.
1715065;1505520168;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YVgGQ/?raw=true
1715066;1505520179;asciilifeform;i suppose my interest is very narrowly entomological -- i'd like to know if d00d is boneh or a dupe.
1715067;1505520190;mircea_popescu;!!v C30B3B4F67776A274252904D8A17A0398AA923BD70A162B5CF9F139CD46E21BE
1715068;1505520191;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of kanzure from 1 to -10 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715062
1715069;1505520191;asciilifeform;but my telepsychiatron is broken, so can't say.
1715070;1505520217;kanzure;can you give me proof of poor here. wat?
1715071;1505520228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect that distinction is not meaningful. pregnant woman is neither whore nor victim. she's pregnant.
1715072;1505520235;asciilifeform;kanzure: approx. that you might have $B but you can't send it to isis.
1715073;1505520243;asciilifeform;and so it ain't actually yours.
1715074;1505520253;asciilifeform;but not limited to this.
1715075;1505520260;kanzure;so i should make my own isis
1715076;1505520270;mircea_popescu;you should shut up of your own steam, really.
1715077;1505520288;asciilifeform;step 1 is to not surround self with provocateurs, e.g. boneh & co.
1715078;1505520300;asciilifeform;or will last approx as long as the new york deathray d00d.
1715079;1505520398;BingoBoingo;!~step 1
1715080;1505520398;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "step" is not a valid command.
1715081;1505520402;BingoBoingo;!~step1
1715082;1505520402;asciilifeform;step 2 is to omfg get a civilized chan log for yerself, kanzure , the .txt full of joinpart spamola is srsly sad
1715083;1505520402;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
1715084;1505520413;BingoBoingo;!~step2
1715085;1505520413;jhvh1;2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
1715086;1505520421;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you gotta wait for the man to ~take~ to drink before he can quit it!11
1715087;1505520421;BingoBoingo;Most importantly
1715088;1505520426;BingoBoingo;!~step4
1715089;1505520426;jhvh1;4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
1715090;1505520439;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: lol, the drink is a symptom
1715091;1505520441;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the conceptualization of one being an utter fucktard can't happen in the comfortably idiotic.
1715092;1505520466;mircea_popescu;alcohol is a muchly preferable addiction to usgtronic stupidity in that it actually DOES something.
1715093;1505520468;asciilifeform;step 3 may be to stop doing dancytricks for darpa/iarpa/fucktarpa for pocket change, esp. if yer already 'rich'
1715094;1505520476;BingoBoingo;!~step3
1715095;1505520476;jhvh1;3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
1715096;1505520480;mircea_popescu;but being dumb in the female way, especially if not biologically female, can not possibly have any physical effects.
1715097;1505520480;BingoBoingo;^ AHA alf
1715098;1505520481;asciilifeform;i got out of that racket an' have 0 regrets
1715099;1505520485;mircea_popescu;so it can also keep teh spirit captive ~forever.
1715100;1505520530;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: What if he grows fat. Gets tits and pubic fat mount over now tunnelcock?
1715101;1505520535;asciilifeform;kanzure: if yur gonna fellate for money, fellate goldmansachs directly, for 9 digits, instead of the tardocrats for 7
1715102;1505520540;BingoBoingo;USGtardism does that
1715103;1505520542;mircea_popescu;still not fertile.
1715104;1505520554;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Fertile to Candida!
1715105;1505520558;mircea_popescu;heh.
1715106;1505520596;*;shinohai munches popcorn
1715107;1505520601;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Hey, he can be the beta provider in a fungus feeding reproductionship
1715108;1505520608;*;BingoBoingo brb, sobertime
1715109;1505520614;mircea_popescu;this is indistinguishable from being dead.
1715110;1505520637;BingoBoingo;ikr?
1715111;1505520652;mircea_popescu;anyway, the opportunity came and went, like these things do.
1715112;1505520660;BingoBoingo;Except for some reason it's selling darpa rotting yeast drive and utterancing
1715113;1505520674;BingoBoingo;Wait!
1715114;1505520680;asciilifeform;phun phakt, even toilet at darpa needs key card
1715115;1505520682;BingoBoingo;Which yeast for drive....
1715116;1505520692;asciilifeform;place is set up like hollywood gulag of the fyootoor
1715117;1505520721;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the actual next generation, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9af2cd6af1fe5d5456da8665cf4dc61b/tumblr_ntckg51hHH1scjhrvo1_1280.jpg
1715118;1505520722;asciilifeform;oh did i mention the doorman has form for you to fill in triplicate ?
1715119;1505520736;asciilifeform;afaik never even in original su, this degree of idiocy
1715120;1505520741;shinohai;oh my
1715121;1505520745;BingoBoingo;OMG kanzure IS an instrument of candidal intertrigo
1715122;1505520759;BingoBoingo;Now this is novel
1715123;1505520765;BingoBoingo;Or prolly not
1715124;1505520765;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform vaguely funny anecdote re this : someone introduced woman to me in ba. clearly pro cocksucker who's seen better days ; had retired into a marriage but chosen ineptly, was now peniless trying to make ends meet out of realestate agenting.
1715125;1505520770;BingoBoingo;anyways brb
1715126;1505520782;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nah d00d dun work with darpa, he works with iarpa, darpa is stolid old pentagon, iarpa - nsa
1715127;1505520787;mircea_popescu;she invites us to this art whatever the fuck, in a loft downtown. we actually go! and there, whole festival of locking doors ands where's your id and whatnot.
1715128;1505520794;mod6;mircea_popescu: woah, the next generation is hawt.
1715129;1505520825;mircea_popescu;i told the girly where to shove it, and she had to "ask" and whatnot. just as he was coming back witrh the "oh, no id  needed anymore" updated policy i was getting the doorman to open the fucking door before i crack it open with his face.
1715130;1505520860;mircea_popescu;moral of the story being, women left to rot in their own juice come up withe the same inept bullshit at darpa or at argentina.
1715131;1505520870;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: nah d00d dun work with darpa, he works with iarpa, darpa is stolid old pentagon, iarpa - nsa << This does not exonerate the yeast's herald from being a herald of his yeastly superiors
1715132;1505520927;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as an ex-sufferer of 'hm, they're giving out money for dancytrick, how do i print 100MB using liquid shit on wattman paper' -- i grasp the fundamentals
1715133;1505520938;mircea_popescu;that's you know, how it's going to be communicated to me that we're in an ~~~exclusive~~~ millieu of great value and vehement importance! by complicated locking mechanisms. cuz i
1715134;1505520957;mircea_popescu;i'm a dumb cunt just like them and imagine the value of my precious kitty is related to how many textile layers i keep it under.
1715135;1505520962;asciilifeform;but i cannot cure kanzure . if wealth ( and by all indications, d00d is 'dependently' wealthy at the least ) did not cure -- who can cure.
1715136;1505520976;mircea_popescu;you can't unfix a fixed bitch.
1715137;1505521072;asciilifeform;i have nfi with what one oughta have been whaked in the head, and with howmuch force, to do idjit humantricks for nsa for paltry sixfigses when no longer having to work to eat
1715138;1505521097;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1715000
1715139;1505521097;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 23:50 mircea_popescu: sort of like a self-preservation mechanism.
1715140;1505521109;mircea_popescu;for as long as he keeps with that, nothing can happen (tm)
1715141;1505521139;asciilifeform;i can sorta understand starvation, in fact http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525791 etc
1715142;1505521139;a111;Logged on 2016-08-19 21:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did a tour of duty in the most godforsaken imaginable salt mine full of ex-nsa folk.
1715143;1505521149;asciilifeform;but for the well-fed i cannot see what possible excuse.
1715144;1505521149;mircea_popescu;there's many classes of stupid, a well populous one (at least in the us) is "intelligent who are affraid of it".
1715145;1505521170;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've heard the hungry but sane before, they don't sound like that at all.
1715146;1505521184;asciilifeform;d00d ain't hungry, you can take that to the bank.
1715147;1505521195;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's no room for pity or such bs here. dood had his moment to epiphanize, missed out on it, what more can be said, or need be said.
1715148;1505521201;asciilifeform;i dun think he has to pinch pennies for them microscopes.
1715149;1505521212;mircea_popescu;you mean them microscopes that don't exist.
1715150;1505521213;asciilifeform;notmuch. i'ma bbl, gotta paint some dna.
1715151;1505521308;kanzure;why would i have you vet my epipenises?
1715152;1505521356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can i lean on you the other way nao plox ?
1715153;1505521371;asciilifeform;ohh aha 1s
1715154;1505521401;asciilifeform;we never did see that product catalogue 'in 2 wks' didwe mircea_popescu
1715155;1505521421;kanzure;i thought "in 2 weeks" is the handwave answer?
1715156;1505521427;asciilifeform;!!rate kanzure -1 minor-league quisling; inquire within
1715157;1505521428;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FYTXm/?raw=true
1715158;1505521455;asciilifeform;!!v 3129E08CE0D3159D79FA46BEB345F332DEA19DB355A2C0349CFD09A65BBF1E79
1715159;1505521455;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of kanzure from 1 to -1 << minor-league quisling; inquire within
1715160;1505521471;asciilifeform;back go all things to their proper orbits.
1715161;1505521476;mircea_popescu;kanzure you were judged and came out worthless ; waste the rest of your inconsequential time somewhere else.
1715162;1505521478;mircea_popescu;!!down kanzure
1715163;1505521555;*;asciilifeform bbl ferrealz
1715164;1505522192;shinohai;Sorry to read about your click resetting earlier mircea_popescu .... didja get it back going?
1715165;1505522212;mircea_popescu;nah not gonna.
1715166;1505522260;shinohai;:/
1715167;1505522283;mircea_popescu;gotta do smaller things till the client's in better shape.
1715168;1505522288;mircea_popescu;it crashed again meanwhile.
1715169;1505522376;shinohai;Longest click I have ever done was for diana_coman .... only took a few hours though.
1715170;1505522383;shinohai;Thankfully, no resets.
1715171;1505522446;mod6;click?
1715172;1505522472;mod6;like duration of crafting?
1715173;1505522473;mircea_popescu;mod6 he's talking eulora
1715174;1505522511;shinohai;Yup, sorry bout that
1715175;1505522518;shinohai;(Wrong chan!)
1715176;1505522519;mod6;np at all.
1715177;1505522547;mod6;fwiw, i logged in day or so ago to check and ensure at least on the surface, all was still well.
1715178;1505522552;mircea_popescu;was it ?
1715179;1505522566;mircea_popescu;you should have pretty high q stuff now, since the float.
1715180;1505522568;mod6;i was able to log in, np, and my ecu had 10x'd
1715181;1505522569;mircea_popescu;all oldsters do.
1715182;1505522589;mod6;i made mention in #eulora, but was brief.
1715183;1505522597;mircea_popescu;aha cool.
1715184;1505522608;mod6;lol, and apparently non-specific.
1715185;1505522615;shinohai;I haven't seen danielpbarron since the reset, hope he's ok. I still have his items.
1715186;1505522619;mod6;(15:24) < mod6> looking good! << my apologies.
1715187;1505522704;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> you should have pretty high q stuff now, since the float. << ah cool!  i'll check it out.
1715188;1505522788;mod6;<+shinohai> I haven't seen danielpbarron since the reset, hope he's ok. I still have his items. << he's in-game now it seems
1715189;1505522792;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, \i just bought myself 3mn cft. yum.
1715190;1505522822;mircea_popescu;anyway, tbh i like the new cli-style merchant interface a lot better in priciple.
1715191;1505522886;mod6;lol, i've got a stone pickaxe you made me once, that's now 1Mq
1715192;1505522894;mircea_popescu;ha!
1715193;1505522931;shinohai;O.o
1715194;1505522960;shinohai;Yeah the cli-interface took a little adjustment but I kinda liked it once I figured it out
1715195;1505523069;mod6;this game is awesome
1715196;1505523088;mod6;i've got this 11yo kid begging me to get him into it.
1715197;1505523105;mircea_popescu;lol!
1715198;1505523123;mod6;friends kid.
1715199;1505523202;mircea_popescu;anyway, next step is to actually declare a server api, with much better hooks for content delivery etc. should grow nicely once all that's in.
1715200;1505523234;mod6;that'll be awesome Mr. P.
1715201;1505525642;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122947 << in other wtf questions.
1715202;1505528438;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in field conditions, http://68.media.tumblr.com/39c8446445e88cc7e78638dc70738c89/tumblr_nk7f5nCUZI1txqtqio1_1280.jpg
1715203;1505529216;shinohai;Field conditions appear fine.
1715204;1505529826;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715201 << Does the question not make sense?
1715205;1505529826;a111;Logged on 2017-09-16 01:34 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122947 << in other wtf questions.
1715206;1505529912;mircea_popescu;PeterL makes perfect sense.
1715207;1505530155;mircea_popescu;the problem with the spec as-is is that you can't actually have a message of the same bitsize as the key, but must make it -1 ; this appears to be mentioned exactly NOWHERE, which is moderately concerning.
1715208;1505530185;PeterL;and do you make it -1 bit or -1 byte?
1715209;1505530201;mircea_popescu;bit should suffice ; but might not be practically useful.
1715210;1505530426;mircea_popescu;incidentally, should prolly take a look at http://www.shoup.net/papers/oaep.pdf also
1715211;1505530505;PeterL;what is this, mircea_popescu linking a pdf?!? the scandal!
1715212;1505530512;mircea_popescu;(tl;dr : here's proof oaep is insecure ; original "proofs" wrong ; rsa-oaep is not insecure by accident, due to rsa properteis ; here's oaep+ fixed by me to actually work)
1715213;1505530527;mircea_popescu;PeterL i also sent an email earlier this week. the world's ending.
1715214;1505530652;PeterL;by the way, I stuffed the keccak ada stuff (and, speaking of OAEP, here is one of those too) into https://github.com/PeterMLambert/keccak since I don't have my own server up yet
1715215;1505531318;BingoBoingo;OMG Police adopting filthy hippy tactics nao: "They marched to the on-ramp of I-64 at Clark Street, but officers on bicycles formed a human chain to prevent them from shutting down highway traffic. The protesters left that area without any physical confrontations."
1715216;1505531352;PeterL;what pansy protesters
1715217;1505531393;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Well, that was earlier in the day when there was still sunlight
1715218;1505531435;PeterL;are they vampires, afraid of the light or something?
1715219;1505531457;BingoBoingo;Breakingest news is pantsuit Mayor's home vandalized https://archive.is/OI5cQ
1715220;1505531471;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Yes they are afraid of the light.
1715221;1505531677;BingoBoingo;It's their taken version 'we r anon, no raep us back pls; k thx bye'
1715222;1505531717;PeterL;With RSA-OAEP, one can encrypt messages whose bit-length is up to just a few hundred bits less than the number of bits in the RSA modulus, yielding a ciphertext whose size is the same as that of the RSA modulus. << It sounds like he is using a smaller amount of random bits than we are?
1715223;1505532147;PeterL;Why is it that papers written by one guy still insist on using the "We" form for all the things they do?
1715224;1505532285;BingoBoingo;Because fist ass unity takes two people
1715225;1505532301;BingoBoingo;And from there custom spreads
1715226;1505533041;BingoBoingo;http://www.whio.com/news/local/volunteer-franklin-twp-firefighter-suspended-amid-alleged-racist-comments/SyYlUbiF0KhY3TkzMed8oM/
1715227;1505536292;mircea_popescu;peterl that's EXACTLY what i mean though. all that shit should logically read "whose size is bit-1 rsa modulus". but they don't.
1715228;1505536297;mircea_popescu;i've no good explanation for this atm.
1715229;1505541858;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1715230;1505541865;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3833.96, vol: 56120.39785783 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3826.7, vol: 171531.85333457 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3402.8274, vol: 2949.49570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3893.1, vol: 19856.3759805 | Volume-weighted last average: 3828.59926778
1715231;1505542545;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2730&pr=1
1715232;1505542639;BingoBoingo;"In the best moment of her life the hand that penned Are Men Necessary reached out and yanked one of those hooped earrings loose from its fleshy mooring. No sooner had I—Maureen Dowd with a memory of being a man—pulled the fake bangle back to that hated breast as the earlobe separated into two hanging gyro strips, the big brown fist that could have belonged to a heavyweight boxer crashed into that sanctimonious mouth, forever removin
1715233;1505542640;BingoBoingo;g the teeth therein. "
1715234;1505545241;BingoBoingo;USia apparently isn't alone. This happens in every Empire: https://archive.is/ncONB
1715235;1505545495;trinque;http://archive.is/qthDj << meanwhile, swedes assfucking their politicians
1715236;1505545574;trinque;figured snackbar til the "traitor" bit
1715237;1505547145;BingoBoingo;Oh my: "According to a recent The Politicians Safety Survey (PTU), published by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention, some 6.3 percent of elected politicians who were polled admitted having suffered a hate crime in 2014."
1715238;1505547187;mircea_popescu;apparently the whole "cashless society" is working out great for the fucktarded "elite"
1715239;1505561457;shinohai;http://archive.is/2WIUp   <<< Black Labs matter
1715240;1505575813;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-18#881892 << have this mirrored elsewhere?
1715241;1505575813;a111;Logged on 2014-10-18 13:28 PeterL: so I converted that WASP pdf into a txt file http://btcscoop.com/WASP.txt
1715242;1505575862;asciilifeform;mats: possibly BingoBoingo has one
1715243;1505575917;asciilifeform;in other olds ( i dun think i posted this measurement ) the NAIVE modular exponentiator takes 51.3 seconds per 4096b a*b mod m , on the 'standard' test box
1715244;1505575938;asciilifeform;( the one on which other timings posted previously were made )
1715245;1505575955;asciilifeform;this is using egyptian divider.
1715246;1505575987;asciilifeform;and it needs to go down 25-50x to make for a usable rsatron.
1715247;1505576104;asciilifeform;( for comparison, a NONmodular exponentiation of same width on same box with same ffa takes 0.26s. )
1715248;1505576148;asciilifeform;the difference consists entirely of division time.
1715249;1505576449;asciilifeform;when bitness is B, a modular exponentiation takes B mod-muls and B mod-squares, each of which produces a 2B-wide item that gets div'd . that's 2B 2B-wide divisions.
1715250;1505576539;asciilifeform;( why 2B-wide ? because a multiplication or a squaring of B width produces a 2B-wide . )
1715251;1505577447;asciilifeform;a truly eagle-eyed nitpicker will of course notice that... (r13) gurer pnaabg or fhpu n guvat nf abazbqhyne rkcbaragvngvba va ssn, vg vf nyjnlf zbqhyb ng zbfg gur ovgarff!
1715252;1505577514;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat
1715253;1505584382;BingoBoingo;mats: I may be able to put ine together this weekend. Prolly quickest to run pdf through text converter yourself.
1715254;1505584433;mats;kindly mirror pdf? 'resist.com' ver referenced in log, has been taken down
1715255;1505584446;*;BingoBoingo will also have to dig it out
1715256;1505584671;BingoBoingo;http://thedrinkingrecord.com/wasp.pdf and a bonus http://thedrinkingrecord.com/Kaczynski%20-%20Technological%20Slavery.pdf
1715257;1505584675;BingoBoingo;^ mats
1715258;1505584707;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> apparently the whole "cashless society" is working out great for the fucktarded "elite" << Aha, Butthole is what's left to take
1715259;1505584765;BingoBoingo;WTF
1715260;1505584778;*;BingoBoingo will fix
1715261;1505584808;BingoBoingo;http://thedrinkingrecord.com/WASP.pdf << fxd
1715262;1505584953;mats;sankq
1715263;1505585116;BingoBoingo;?
1715264;1505585219;BingoBoingo;Ah, yw
1715265;1505585583;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/illinois-government-places-unfunded-menstrual-mandate-on-local-schools/ << Qntra - Illinois Government Places Unfunded Menstrual Mandate On Local Schools
1715266;1505587445;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1715268;1505588029;BingoBoingo;In people who wish they were the ministry of games: "Earlier this week, when it became clear that a gauntlet in Destiny 2 resembled a "Kekistan" flag design that has been repurposed by neo-Nazis, developer Bungie was quick to apologize and work to remove the item from the game. Now, the developer is using a public blog post to try to explain how the symbol ended up in the game in the first place. Community Manager David "DeeJ" Dague writ
1715269;1505588029;BingoBoingo;es that the gauntlet in question, which features a "kek" symbol that resembles the "Kekistan flag" popularized by 4chan, was originally created by the game's developers back in June of 2015. Dague says the gauntlet was one of many items in the game that "reference real world art, iconography, typeface, and other design elements" and that "some of the reference imagery featured the simple mirrored chevron shapes found in the finished piec
1715270;1505588030;BingoBoingo;e.""
1715271;1505588300;BingoBoingo;!!up spyked
1715272;1505588300;deedbot;spyked voiced for 30 minutes.
1715273;1505590116;shinohai;!~blocks
1715274;1505590117;jhvh1;shinohai: 485614
1715275;1505594147;spyked;o. hi BingoBoingo
1715276;1505598388;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/costa-rica-de-noche-y-de-dia/ << Trilema - Costa Rica, de noche y de dia
1715277;1505600808;mats;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-oil/venezuela-publishes-oil-prices-in-chinese-currency-to-shun-u-s-dollar-idUSKCN1BQ2D1
1715278;1505601020;mats;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/trump-blocks-chinese-purchase-lattice-semiconductor-170914045430005.html
1715279;1505602668;shinohai;Haha maduro is determined
1715280;1505602709;asciilifeform;mats: lattice is the last remaining non-usg-owned fpga house. lizard gosplan terrified that it might get sold and specs for the high density fpga, opened
1715281;1505602771;asciilifeform;( after which xilinx & altera market will look like cisco's -- tame idjits only )
1715282;1505606191;mircea_popescu;venezuela is pretty much a present day rhodesia.
1715283;1505606215;mircea_popescu;fortified oil complex worth like 3rd in the world, and outside of that 20mn or so usg nigglets clamoring about gini indexes.
1715284;1505606235;mircea_popescu;would make a splendid show to butcher the lot.
1715285;1505606277;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not directly evident giving it to the state's people's something or the other is such a good idea in any case.
1715286;1505608881;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/family-business/ << Trilema - Family Business
1715287;1505644945;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1715002 << pick riper fruit till this gestation completes, what's teh rush. not like anyone seriously cares about either.
1715288;1505644945;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 23:51 BingoBoingo: So this "Sally Hemmings And The Widower" Fanfic/novel, I'm not finding anyway to work crabapple metaphor into unifying narrative
1715289;1505646464;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715247 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715243 are these to mean therefore that a mod computed on a 4096 bit int takes 50 seconds ?
1715290;1505646464;a111;Logged on 2017-09-16 15:35 asciilifeform: ( for comparison, a NONmodular exponentiation of same width on same box with same ffa takes 0.26s. )
1715291;1505646464;a111;Logged on 2017-09-16 15:31 asciilifeform: in other olds ( i dun think i posted this measurement ) the NAIVE modular exponentiator takes 51.3 seconds per 4096b a*b mod m , on the 'standard' test box
1715292;1505646529;mircea_popescu;because that's fucking scandalous to begin with ; and in no case the discussed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712957 can possibly take that fucking long.
1715293;1505646529;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 21:32 mircea_popescu: and this is potentially recursive, in that if you have a 500 bit number with 300 ones in it, you do the mod for 500 terms which are all a power of 2, throw 200 away, keep the other 300 and add them.
1715294;1505646623;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : since the modulus is 4096 bits, all powers of two up to 2^4095 are unchanged by modding.)
1715295;1505646809;mircea_popescu;what this means in practice being that "the 4096 bit modulus of a 4096 bit number is obtained through at most one substraction op".
1715296;1505647197;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713197 << this is perfectly true, but not actually the problem here. ie, it'd be just as braindamaged even without that.
1715297;1505647197;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 23:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713184 << in ffaworld, a < or > or == comparison is not only a subtraction (O(N)) but another O(N) test for nullity (xor all the words together)
1715298;1505647536;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713368 << for some decent lulz on this topic, nonsensical "rebel w/o cause" 1982 john clark item, "running on empty". featuring oddball ventilation towers on the hood and vague, contradictory hints of female sex slavery.
1715299;1505647536;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 01:18 mircea_popescu: ok, quick summary : tech pre-injectors was carburators. engines "optimized for racing" got slowly more complex over time. then injection became feasible, and they simplified. now they've recomplexified again.
1715300;1505647557;mircea_popescu;also arguably some of the ugliest tits ever to meet lens.
1715301;1505647954;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713770 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713183 ie these are not as distinct as you'd think.
1715302;1505647954;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 19:36 asciilifeform: lathe driven moar by musketry than by fine art tho
1715303;1505647954;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 23:10 mircea_popescu: 1. if you actually want metal kbd, your choice of steel is probably ill advised. i'd try silver instead. heuristicallyt there's a reason gunsmiths and silversmiths were ~the same people i nthe early modern period ; moreover silver has better properties in the range sough.
1715304;1505648040;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking POINT of french revolution was "we can make things -- soldiers, arms for those soldiers, culture for their fathers and wives, CHEAPER and MORE ABUNDANT if we chinese it." "but will it be as good ?" "i can't hear you over the kanzure of my superficiality"
1715305;1505648095;mircea_popescu;obviously, it won't be as good, in the obvious sense that you don't need frenchmen to do it, can have it done in yugoslavia cheaper. and by yugoslavia i mean poland which is to say china.
1715306;1505648151;mircea_popescu;which is why it's always poor immigrants, and "3rd world" shitholes. cuz if you approximate a non-closed form solution by the number five, you get a certain set of perked ears, and they're going to always be in the back of the class.
1715307;1505648319;mircea_popescu;in this sense, the perpetual "we don't deal with problems, we try to inflate them away" is a forced mistake of the socialist mind, brought about by its deffective tech stack. what the fuck else are they going to do, the only people to which "french culture" in its jimbo diderot reformulation appeals to are first generation in shoes functional illiterate tards.
1715308;1505648369;mircea_popescu;"it's ok, science will progress so fast nobody will ever wear shoes again!!!". yeah, i'm sure. and then it'll "progress" even faster than that huh.
1715309;1505651042;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715289 << mod ~exp~ , with naive egyptian div, does. and i described, in detail, why. plox reread.
1715310;1505651042;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 11:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715247 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715243 are these to mean therefore that a mod computed on a 4096 bit int takes 50 seconds ?
1715311;1505651107;asciilifeform;mod exp for 4096bit operands aint 1 mod, but 8192 of'em, and they're on 8192bit ints
1715312;1505651238;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715294 << computing an 'unchanged' TAKES SAME TIME as any other, omfg, it's constant time
1715313;1505651238;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 11:10 mircea_popescu: (pro tip : since the modulus is 4096 bits, all powers of two up to 2^4095 are unchanged by modding.)
1715314;1505651262;asciilifeform;1 * 1 mod 1 takes same time etc
1715315;1505651411;asciilifeform;recall, we do. not. branch. on. operand. bits. ever.
1715316;1505651495;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715295 << this is screamingly wrong, a 4096bit modulus can be anything, incl. 1
1715317;1505651495;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 11:13 mircea_popescu: what this means in practice being that "the 4096 bit modulus of a 4096 bit number is obtained through at most one substraction op".
1715318;1505651610;asciilifeform;it's the same 4096 karatsubamuls, 4096 karatsubasquares, 4096 shifts, 4096 muxes, and 8192 ( once for each mul and sqr output, and ergo 8192-bit wide, and they dominate cost ) divs.
1715319;1505651626;asciilifeform;as any other possible 4096b modulus.
1715320;1505651653;asciilifeform;and not '1 subtraction', lol
1715321;1505651857;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715293 << ftr this is a description of egyptian div, a SINGLE mod operation.
1715322;1505651857;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 11:08 a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 21:32 mircea_popescu: and this is potentially recursive, in that if you have a 500 bit number with 300 ones in it, you do the mod for 500 terms which are all a power of 2, throw 200 away, keep the other 300 and add them.
1715323;1505651908;asciilifeform;incidentally do i have to explain why a modexp op cannot be 'exp, and then take result and mod' ? or is it screamingly obvious .
1715324;1505652528;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1715002 << pick riper fruit till this gestation completes, what's teh rush. not like anyone seriously cares about either. << Or at least sweeter fruit
1715325;1505652528;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 23:51 BingoBoingo: So this "Sally Hemmings And The Widower" Fanfic/novel, I'm not finding anyway to work crabapple metaphor into unifying narrative
1715326;1505652759;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1715327;1505652766;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3571.51, vol: 15063.33228601 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3574.9, vol: 50793.00602987 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3189.34, vol: 892.99610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3613.9, vol: 5644.4904433 | Volume-weighted last average: 3572.47944623
1715328;1505654070;BingoBoingo;ty trinque for the reply fodder http://qntra.net/2017/09/media-and-clergy-orchestrated-civil-disorder-erupts-in-downtown-st-louis-after-acquittal/#comment-109785
1715329;1505656785;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QNPRp/?raw=true << mircea_popescu et al : how div, mod, exp, and modexp work presently.
1715330;1505656838;asciilifeform;^ and yes there is an 'obvious' 2x speedup possible and not yet done, even in this naive method
1715331;1505660371;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715304 << on one hand, idiot rabble uprising, sure, on other -- fr elite suffered from a fatal case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611080 rot
1715332;1505660371;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 11:34 mircea_popescu: the whole fucking POINT of french revolution was "we can make things -- soldiers, arms for those soldiers, culture for their fathers and wives, CHEAPER and MORE ABUNDANT if we chinese it." "but will it be as good ?" "i can't hear you over the kanzure of my superficiality"
1715333;1505660371;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 05:29 phf: my mom had one of those "papa escaped the purges by burning all paperwork but life got tough when they took our governess" piano teachers, who would lament about being forced to teach peasants and brown folk, not on racial grounds as much as "you have to have a bidet in your house for 3 generations, before you can touch a piano"
1715334;1505660489;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715307 << didja sleep though the century when '1st gen in shoes' folx handed 'cultured' europe its arse on a platter, and then flew into space etc
1715335;1505660489;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 11:38 mircea_popescu: in this sense, the perpetual "we don't deal with problems, we try to inflate them away" is a forced mistake of the socialist mind, brought about by its deffective tech stack. what the fuck else are they going to do, the only people to which "french culture" in its jimbo diderot reformulation appeals to are first generation in shoes functional illiterate tards.
1715336;1505660548;asciilifeform;( and then yes rotted and vanished like every previous fat an' comfortable set )
1715337;1505669849;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HFs6x/?raw=true
1715338;1505669850;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1715339;1505672707;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715311 << i'm missing something here. did you compare a MULTIPLICATION (as your text actually said, a * b) with an exponentiation ?
1715340;1505672707;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 12:25 asciilifeform: mod exp for 4096bit operands aint 1 mod, but 8192 of'em, and they're on 8192bit ints
1715341;1505672742;asciilifeform;read the src plox
1715342;1505672960;asciilifeform;( a*b mod m  refers to mod-exp, i thought this was clear )
1715343;1505673020;asciilifeform;the corresponding item in the src seen in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715329 , is FZ_Mod_Exp .
1715344;1505673020;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 13:59 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QNPRp/?raw=true << mircea_popescu et al : how div, mod, exp, and modexp work presently.
1715345;1505673278;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aT4p8/?raw=true
1715346;1505673428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so to try and extract actual reality from this : a ^ b mod m takes 0.26 seconds in koch writing ; same a^b mod m takes 51.3 on your box, notwithstanding a ^ b without any modding takes 1s ?
1715347;1505673450;asciilifeform;this is soup not sense
1715348;1505673471;mircea_popescu;is it or is it not true a modular exponentiation in current gpg takes, on your chosen machine, 0.26 seconds.
1715349;1505673476;asciilifeform;exponentiation WITHOUT DIVISIONS (i.e. nonomodular, or modulo the set ffawidth, in this case 4096) takes 0.26
1715350;1505673483;asciilifeform;same WITH divisions, i.e. modular, takes 51.3.
1715351;1505673512;mircea_popescu;so, calculating a ^ b is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s.
1715352;1505673514;asciilifeform;koch is neither here nor there, was not part of the measurements, nor is possible to compare because it does not actually do the same job
1715353;1505673524;asciilifeform;( kochian modexp stops at the last 1bit )
1715354;1505673531;mircea_popescu;sooo.... calculating a ^ b is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s.
1715355;1505673570;asciilifeform;a ^ b mod 2**4096 , rather than a^b ( which our galaxy hasn't enough atoms to represent for 4096bit a and b )
1715356;1505673600;asciilifeform;and in case it isn't clear, the 51+ is using the slowest known method.
1715357;1505673606;mircea_popescu;soooOOOOooooOOOO.... calculating a ^ b is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s.
1715358;1505673616;mircea_popescu;you will refuse to be useful how many times in a row ?
1715359;1505673626;mircea_popescu;i dunno what you think the behaviour preserves, but i can assure you it doesn't.
1715360;1505673661;asciilifeform;why do you insist on repeating a mathematically false summary ?
1715361;1505673682;mircea_popescu;cuz your production does not fit the requisite form. produce item in requisite form, will gladly use that.
1715362;1505673684;asciilifeform;FZ_Exp does not calculate a^b, it calculates a^b modulo ffawidth. this is important difference.
1715363;1505673711;mircea_popescu;so then! calculating a ^ b mod 2^4096 is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s. that it ?
1715364;1505673723;asciilifeform;( i don't own a box with 4096**4096 bits of memory, and neither does beelzebub )
1715365;1505673731;mircea_popescu;that's neither here nor there.
1715366;1505673742;asciilifeform;correct. the latter when using the method depicted in the snapshot.
1715367;1505673777;asciilifeform;gotta nail down this difference, because it makes a difference ( in that you cannot exponentiate-and-then-modulus, universe ain't big enough , hence the invention of mod-exp )
1715368;1505673787;mircea_popescu;fine. and the reason your mod does not reduce to "At most one substraction op" is "because i believe the product of two prime numbers 2kb each can in fact be less than 2^4095". that it ?
1715369;1505673837;asciilifeform;my mod is using knuth's simplest (aka egyptian) div method.
1715370;1505673843;asciilifeform;which is B subtractions, when B is bitness.
1715371;1505673850;asciilifeform;i think we had this in detail
1715372;1505673878;mircea_popescu;yes, but as long as you do rsa, a ^ b mod m = either a ^ b or else, a ^ b - m. that's the complete story, there are no other cases. there's specifically no k * m parameter to be explored there.
1715373;1505673893;asciilifeform;this is nonsense.
1715374;1505673896;asciilifeform;and is of the bottle.
1715375;1505673906;mircea_popescu;howssat ?
1715376;1505673929;mircea_popescu;oh doh.
1715377;1505673932;mircea_popescu;complete nonsense, nm.
1715378;1505673962;asciilifeform;hey i'd be the first to applaud if mircea_popescu came up with magical algo that reduces cpu work to ~0 !
1715379;1505673968;mircea_popescu;ME TOO!\
1715380;1505673973;asciilifeform;but nomagicinthisworld, damn.
1715381;1505673979;mircea_popescu;but no, this dead branch has been fully explored, nothing here.
1715382;1505674000;asciilifeform;anyway this was not a sexy/exciting report, it is just to share what was the baseline ( saddest known algo )
1715383;1505674488;mircea_popescu;precalculating 4k mods of 4 to 8kb single-bit items is a pain in teh arse even in simple space terms, what, ima have 16MB worth of ram/disk dedicated to just this PER mod ?
1715384;1505674548;mircea_popescu;tbh i liked my "all items are 4096 bit" world way better and wtf is this "multiplication doubles width" bs anyway!
1715385;1505674596;asciilifeform;can't do tables. period. they result in addressing-by-secretbits and leak timing from cache.
1715386;1505674621;asciilifeform;there are no tables in ffa, and an ffa with a table is pointless ( if you access leaklessly, by chugging whole table each time ( we had thread ) you wipe out the time saving. )
1715387;1505675258;asciilifeform;incidentally, if you're willing to leak the height of the last set bit in the exponent, you cut the cost even of naive method above, linearly ( e.g. the typical gpg exponent is 17 bits ) -- but i'd very much rather not
1715388;1505675291;asciilifeform;naturally this is for the public exponent op only
1715389;1505675307;asciilifeform;and would not help the private exponent op ( where one would want to leak nothing at all )
1715390;1505675315;asciilifeform;and at any rate the 'f' in ffa -- stays.
1715391;1505675906;asciilifeform;incidentally also worth remembering is that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681224 .
1715392;1505675906;a111;Logged on 2017-07-10 19:33 asciilifeform: sooo a 4096b rsa key takes about a dozen modexp's, on avg, on gpg 1.4.10
1715393;1505675971;asciilifeform;which means that even a minute-long modexp is theoretically fieldable ( you get ~day-long keygen, and minute-per-4096bits decrypt/encrypt, but this is livable, ancestors lived with much slower hand-cranked otp )
1715394;1505676047;asciilifeform;err, lol, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681260
1715395;1505676047;a111;Logged on 2017-07-10 19:48 asciilifeform: ok actual answer is about 100.
1715396;1505676054;asciilifeform;( so that'd be ~week-long keygen. )
1715397;1505676074;*;asciilifeform bbl, fresh air
1715398;1505676101;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform discussion was privexp anyway
1715399;1505676159;mircea_popescu;but no, i don't think the item as described is useless. if you need a new key in less than a week / if your message lag is mostly this you've other problems to attend to.
1715400;1505678000;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715334 << no ; and good for them. but the problem is... and then what of it ? MAGA ?
1715401;1505678000;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715307 << didja sleep though the century when '1st gen in shoes' folx handed 'cultured' europe its arse on a platter, and then flew into space etc
1715402;1505678037;mircea_popescu;broken lightbulb temporarily sits on shelf next to working lightbulb, "oh, did you miss the time i burned so very bright it was like 1`000 lightbulbs ?!?!?" suppose i did miss it. what came of it ?
1715403;1505678109;mircea_popescu;much like the russkis, what these other marginal orcs have to show for "their great empire" is a barely functional bezzle scheme. i don't even mean the financial part, intellectually speaking the whole us can be comfortably sat down in two lines' worth of "don't say nigger and state-god will provide", which is what, somehow different from "quote marx and wait for moscow" ?
1715404;1505678180;shinohai;"Quote logz and get off yer ass and do shit"
1715405;1505678190;mircea_popescu;i'm not proposing the euroidiots aren't ; but this simple fact dun make non-euros anything else.
1715406;1505678196;mircea_popescu;shinohai :p
1715407;1505678210;asciilifeform;it still remains to be seen whether industrial civs can in principle outlast su
1715408;1505678230;mircea_popescu;europe has been an industrial civ for ~3 centuries now.
1715409;1505678246;mircea_popescu;heck, the swedes are so advanced in germansystem they don't even need money anymore!
1715410;1505678428;mircea_popescu;(the measure for "industrial civ" here used is, the type of answer to the problem of "i need three times the force". if it's "hire three times the coolies/horses/etc then pre-ind civ ; if it's "build bigger machine" it's industrial civ ; if the question not even conceptualized as such then it's not a civ, like say africa/polynesia/other subhumans)
1715411;1505678627;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715336 << this is very much not so, in that presence of euro buildings is still the standard by which you distinguish urban from rural agglomeration ; whereas "going to space" has managed to become the standard of nothing whatsoever.
1715412;1505678627;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 15:02 asciilifeform: ( and then yes rotted and vanished like every previous fat an' comfortable set )
1715413;1505678704;mircea_popescu;and that's a minor example. consider rothbard's utter failure to mean or matter, as sadly chronicled on trilema. yes, he's intellectually negligible, but the chief problem that renders him moot is the extreme poverty and ineptitude of his references! which is not his problem, but the 1st gen in shoes folks' problem, and the deep reason us can't and hasn't spoken in the forum of human thought.
1715414;1505678726;mircea_popescu;they can't say anything that's worth remembering for the obvious reason that they can't read anything that's already there.
1715415;1505678856;mircea_popescu;a whole cacophopnic symphony of little john smiths. what am i to do with this large collection of hardy country folk running around with their ummims and thurims ? EVEN IF THEY DO FLY TO SPACE!
1715416;1505678884;mircea_popescu;and the recourse to inflation is rather plainly obvious, "we call it Joe's Principle because nobody could have possibly read Kant".
1715417;1505679471;asciilifeform;imho principal problem of usa is whatever environmental pollutant or genetic wtf that keeps'em from learning human languages
1715418;1505679539;mircea_popescu;this could have similarly been said of any of the other examples of history (the selgiuk turks, and the manchuko, readily come to mind)
1715419;1505679565;mircea_popescu;note that for all their "handed everyone their ass, flew to space" accomplishments, neither tribe is remembered today for anything.
1715420;1505679623;*;asciilifeform uses moar sov maths , in daily life, than roman
1715421;1505679637;mircea_popescu;moreover, the issue is purely cultural, which is why the 1st gen in shoes keeps cropping up. trinque manifestly COULD meaningfully learn human lang once separated from his culture, as the logs bear testimony, and this is 1/1 ie 100%.
1715422;1505679658;mircea_popescu;but, as teh old article says, "but then again nothing in the world harder & more obdurate than the limits a brain sets for itself"
1715423;1505679672;asciilifeform;chukcha can also learn. problem is that somebody gotta separate him from the hole in the ground
1715424;1505679678;asciilifeform;and this is not usually +ev
1715425;1505679693;mircea_popescu;separation seems to work splendidly on own power, just as soon as alternative is perceived.
1715426;1505679735;mircea_popescu;but yes, the situation is not symmetrical -- western orcs produced mcmansion where eastern orcs produced very respectable math and literature, which is truly 2nd generation in shoes fare
1715427;1505679746;mircea_popescu;or as ballas put it, "jobs other than science and medicine seem unreal to you"
1715428;1505679755;asciilifeform;2nd-gen-in-shoes seems to be peak, culturally
1715429;1505679773;asciilifeform;3rd gen already tends to bostonize
1715430;1505679778;mircea_popescu;well because 3rd gen is so overwhelmingly easy to fuck up.
1715431;1505683796;asciilifeform;!!up walter_
1715432;1505683797;deedbot;walter_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1715433;1505683986;walter_;Greetings! Looking for user AlexNT01. Anybody knows him?
1715434;1505684011;asciilifeform;!#seen AlexNT01
1715435;1505684011;a111;I haven't seen AlexNT01
1715436;1505684030;asciilifeform;walter_: what led you to think that such was to be found here ?
1715437;1505684092;walter_;I remember I saw him on one of couple crypto channels I used
1715438;1505684114;walter_;maybe it was #decred or something else. Sorry for bothering
1715439;1505684132;asciilifeform;!#s AlexNT01
1715440;1505684133;a111;3 results for "AlexNT01", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=AlexNT01
1715441;1505684150;asciilifeform;^ 0 mentions until nao.
1715442;1505684156;asciilifeform;nobody ever heard of any such .
1715443;1505684223;walter_;got it. Thanks
1715444;1505686745;mats;my favorite thing about mr. funk was his saying a couple javascript thingies were his reference wallet
1715445;1505688077;shinohai;Some people lack patience for the real reference wallet I suppose.
1715446;1505694838;mats;https://youtu.be/QO_zXuOQy6A?t=51s USN test fires two railgun rounds within seconds of each other
1715447;1505698014;asciilifeform;mats: ever wonder what'd a dead short do in one of these ?
1715448;1505698044;mats;am now
1715449;1505698063;asciilifeform;say, if the same hero who burned down a whole nyooksub in port , were to 'forget' a wrench in the rail.
1715450;1505698092;asciilifeform;or perhaps some thermite powder, so the shell welds to the rail instead of sliding...
1715451;1505698150;asciilifeform;normal cannon, you can look with eyes if a barrel is clear; and even if barrel explodes, it's what, 50kjoule
1715452;1505698164;asciilifeform;here - 500, or sumthing
1715453;1505698248;asciilifeform;but imho usn electric guns oughta be encouraged and cheered, per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714978 . especially if they cost $B each and run win95
1715454;1505698248;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 23:45 asciilifeform: on 2nd thought 'nsa stores packets on dna' is just the right kind of starwars idiocy that oughta be encouraged.
1715455;1505698274;mats;fame and fortune like those anna chapman received, awaits the would-be saboteur
1715456;1505698288;asciilifeform;the funniest bit is that it dun even need a saboteur
1715457;1505698297;asciilifeform;just like the littoral lulzship didn't
1715458;1505698310;asciilifeform;the designer is the best saboteur.
1715459;1505698381;asciilifeform;( did anybody, for example, test what happens if rails are wet ? encrusted with foreign matter, e.g. soot from fire? 9,000 variants )
1715460;1505698468;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/OYckN << sub hero, in case anybody forgot )
1715461;1505698507;mats;... ordered to pay $400 million in restitution. << hahaha
1715462;1505698527;asciilifeform;iirc thing was later scrapped
1715463;1505698540;asciilifeform;( some time in '15 )
1715464;1505698689;mats;nobel peace prize committee oughta give him a $1mn cash award, like liu xiaobo received for his work
1715465;1505698738;asciilifeform;hey, if gorby got one, 0 reason why casey fury flickin'his-bic shouldnt
1715466;1505698779;mats;i swear they gave the thing to obama just to piss him off, given its history
1715467;1505698782;asciilifeform;hmm why isn't xiaobo in the l0gz
1715468;1505698792;asciilifeform;pretty sure mircea_popescu had an entire article, in ro no less, about him
1715469;1505698830;asciilifeform;( tldr for n00bz : xiaobo was the attempt to 'solzhenitsyn' the chinese; it failed, because chinese , turned out, were not sufficiently gullible )
1715470;1505698831;mats;quisling scum that once said china should be colonized by the west for three hundred years
1715471;1505698838;asciilifeform;aha, him
1715472;1505698853;asciilifeform;!#s colonized three hundred
1715473;1505698853;a111;1 result for "colonized three hundred", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=colonized%20three%20hundred
1715474;1505698855;asciilifeform;hm
1715475;1505698865;mats;most unbelievable part is he couldn't even read/write/speak english
1715476;1505698865;asciilifeform;grrr it WAS in the log somewhere
1715477;1505698884;asciilifeform;there is no requirement that an idjit quisling speak english
1715478;1505698976;mats;also responsible for inciting hundreds of students into action on behalf of usg agitprop that could only be met with tank treads and executions
1715479;1505699006;asciilifeform;aha.
1715480;1505699050;asciilifeform;it is very telling imho that they could not find any d00d of any substantial intellectual caliber, to play this role ( while in su they easily got a saharov & others )
1715481;1505699070;mats;LKY attributes this quote to Deng Xiaoping: "If I have to shoot 200,000 students to save China from another 100 years of disorder, so be it."
1715482;1505699139;asciilifeform;and notably they didn't have to 200k
1715483;1505699148;asciilifeform;breaking spearhead was quite enough.
1715484;1505699176;asciilifeform;the rest of the spear vanished quietly under the rock from whence it crawled, as always does.
1715485;1505699189;mircea_popescu; asciilifeform> the funniest bit is that it dun even need a saboteur << not one with an ama, at any rate.
1715486;1505699220;asciilifeform;ama?
1715487;1505699226;mircea_popescu;reddit item
1715488;1505699236;*;asciilifeform genuinely baffled
1715489;1505699275;mircea_popescu;"i am so and so, ask me anything". final development on the whole "we are all one" nonsense.
1715490;1505699278;asciilifeform;aaaaa
1715491;1505699299;*;asciilifeform had quit reddit cold turkey long before those were invented
1715492;1505699308;mircea_popescu;"randomtard could ask meaningful question to $interesting person, who could in turn give out an answer that's both a)something he'd sing and b) something redditard could decode".
1715493;1505699330;mircea_popescu;very popular with comedians, aspiring niggers, etcetera.
1715494;1505699331;asciilifeform;'but dr knuth, how often you take a shit??'
1715495;1505699335;mircea_popescu;the redditard crowd basically
1715496;1505699352;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy pretense
1715497;1505699360;mircea_popescu;exactklyt that.
1715498;1505699398;asciilifeform;asciilifeform was sometimes genuinely vexed, when collegues & various folx would ask him, 'what would you ask erdos', etc. and they never liked my answer, which is that i have nothing worth asking erdos or gauss or etc
1715499;1505699427;mircea_popescu;exactly. "what would you do if you were in a train compartment with einstein ?" "i'd stfu"
1715500;1505699480;mircea_popescu;imagine, $icon fo all people being spared the specialness of your snowflakeitude for a whole fucking hour! THE HORROR!\
1715501;1505699841;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683486 << found xiaobo thread
1715502;1505699841;a111;Logged on 2017-07-14 15:09 asciilifeform: in other noose, the 'china must be colonized for 300 years to become civilized' solzhederp finally croaked
1715503;1505700680;mircea_popescu;for the record, it's not even clear that's false.
1715504;1505702052;mircea_popescu;!!up mietek
1715505;1505702053;deedbot;mietek voiced for 30 minutes.
1715506;1505702109;mietek;hi.
1715507;1505702113;mircea_popescu;ello
1715508;1505702173;mietek;!faq
1715509;1505702182;mircea_popescu;whatcha looking for ?
1715510;1505702222;mietek;the pages linked in the topic do not seem self-explanatory.
1715511;1505702236;mircea_popescu;well, so ask a question.
1715512;1505702246;mietek;what is this place?
1715513;1505702257;mircea_popescu;this is the forum of the most serene republic.
1715514;1505702734;mircea_popescu;heh.
1715515;1505703002;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1715517;1505703395;mircea_popescu;and btw : i'd like to watch a porno called "dilda das vegas".
1715518;1505703518;BingoBoingo;Phonetically that's nice, but kinda expect that to go with vegas.
1715519;1505703571;*;BingoBoingo would prefer a pun involving salem witch trials and sodomy
1715520;1505705872;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/casino-robbed-amid-civil-disorder-in-st-louis/ << Qntra - Casino Robbed Amid Civil Disorder In St Louis
1715521;1505705909;BingoBoingo;Hi-lite for the lawgs: "One unarmed casino guard was shot, no patrons were injured, and no suspects have been arrested."
1715522;1505706022;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/tastyfigs/
1715523;1505708141;mats;mircea_popescu: is there a single nation extant that you find civilized?
1715524;1505708261;mats;i have my own reservations about .cn, but it notably does not interfere with another state's internal politics and does not dispense hypocritical lectures about human rights the way the west does
1715525;1505708526;BingoBoingo;mats: .cn is starting to...
1715526;1505708586;mats;former, latter, or both claims?
1715527;1505708802;mats;i'm observing their development of commerce and nuanced relationships in, say, the indian ocean, through building of ports along the littoral, but they've pointedly ignored human rights issues the west cares about in e.g. sri lanka
1715528;1505708823;BingoBoingo;Well, it's shitting out "Confucious Institutes" Small leap from that to Hillel, anti-defamation league, and Kars4Kids scam
1715529;1505708868;mats;so you think soft power is coercive
1715530;1505708997;BingoBoingo;Depends where they go with it
1715531;1505709079;BingoBoingo;One day the urban comic relief is hooking you up with laffs and dime bags. The next he's smashing your windows.
1715532;1505709237;BingoBoingo;Gotta watch, wait, and be ready to say "NO CHINA, THAT'S A BAD CHINA" if they go too far into acting like Yankee cancer
1715533;1505709380;mircea_popescu;mats notrly afaik. if i found one i'd go.
1715534;1505709445;mircea_popescu;and i've no problem whatsoever with china in the political sense. nor much clue as to actual life there, who knows, maybe they're great.
1715535;1505709543;mircea_popescu;mats depends what you mean by "Soft power". if by soft power you mean something as seen in the graduate, or for that matter in that lulzy thing with a 19yo tom cruise pimping out de mornay & friends, ie what teh parents are doing, i'll tell you tis outright despicable.
1715536;1505709572;mats;not seen either of these
1715537;1505709579;mircea_popescu;are you there ?
1715538;1505709606;mats;no, still resident in usa
1715539;1505709641;mircea_popescu;i'd have wished you a heartfeltly traditional http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711142 ; but as it is what're we talking about ?
1715540;1505709641;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 14:50 mircea_popescu: say phf ! since you're in moscow, what's the bdsm scene like ? do they have a club ? mind doing a field report ?
1715541;1505709695;mircea_popescu;if their naked slut on heels scene sucks, they suck ; if not, we can talk. that's kinda the table ante for civilisation.
1715542;1505709703;mats;the tom cruise flick and the graduate (1967)?
1715543;1505709714;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess.
1715544;1505709729;ben_vulpes;ohai frenz!
1715545;1505709734;mircea_popescu;anyway, the us went through this thing, middle class kids worried about "their future". is that what you mean by soft power ?
1715546;1505709751;mircea_popescu;"omg my future! it is ruined!" "wtf do you think futures are, like orgasms ?" "yeah... as a matter of fact... i do!"
1715547;1505709813;mats;i mean the expansion of their commercial influence as a general example of an empire of soft power
1715548;1505709833;mircea_popescu;there's something missing here. what exactly is being softly powered ?
1715549;1505709848;mats;rather than, you know, usg or israelis dropping bombs on ukr, syria,iraq
1715550;1505709865;mircea_popescu;i'm not strictly against bomb dropping as such.
1715551;1505709869;mircea_popescu;are you ?
1715552;1505710012;mats;i have a problem with usg doing it under pretensions of enforcing their sense of human rights and democracy
1715553;1505710023;mircea_popescu;right.
1715554;1505710041;asciilifeform;a bomb is an honest and upright thing, vs. bezzletronic bamboozlement where victim's economy slowly evaporates 'by itself', 'bad luck'
1715555;1505710048;mircea_popescu;and similarly i could see myself having a problem with "the expansion of their commercial influence" if it's essentially aiming to make the world safer for old women.
1715556;1505710060;mircea_popescu;which interpretation, confucianism readily supports, for instance.
1715557;1505710189;mats;well, that'd be an internal issue for the party, i don't see a chinese interest in ruling over anybody else, just extracting tribute
1715558;1505710209;mircea_popescu;tribute for what and to do what with ?
1715559;1505710233;mats;access to chinese markets and visitations by its merchant fleet
1715560;1505710255;mircea_popescu;we can safely agree then ; nobody cares.
1715561;1505710617;mats;asciilifeform: this is an observation relating .cn to its would-be tributary states?
1715562;1505710771;mats;bezzletronic bamboozlement, that is - or did you mean usg?
1715563;1505710822;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and similarly i could see myself having a problem with "the expansion of their commercial influence" if it's essentially aiming to make the world safer for old women. << i.e the Yankee cancer.
1715564;1505710846;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> which interpretation, confucianism readily supports, for instance. << Social Carcinogens!
1715565;1505711116;BingoBoingo;https://www.imgoat.com/uploads/c8349cc726/44182.jpg << One polyp, preseved on slide
1715566;1505711955;BingoBoingo;http://archive.is/UrXRj >> "I can do the basic stuff and have already watched some youtube videos, but I'll also be around whenever we need a repairman to come and he's at work, which helps out a lot. I'll also be doing my part with the household chores when he's not around and making sure the place is clean. I'll also be in charge of the finances and make sure the bills are paid on time and everything like that. I'm much more organized
1715567;1505711955;BingoBoingo;with those kind of things than he is. But to be clear. I'm not taking advantage of him. He knows we need a good house together. I'll be moving from my parents' house and won't be moving into some drab fixer-upper that needs workers over all the time, which is really expensive in the long-run anyways. We've talked about this. He knows we need a decent house. And all the ones within our "budget" are drab fixer-uppers which we really didn't
1715568;1505711955;BingoBoingo; know about before. This one I'm looking at would be perfect for us and if we cut back on some things will be able to make the payments on."
1715569;1505713106;ben_vulpes;lol he's the one cutting back on luxuries, huh?
1715570;1505713150;ben_vulpes;> but there's definitely an advantage to both people being on it i'm sure
1715571;1505713161;ben_vulpes;lolol of fucking course there is for you you blood sucking hog
1715572;1505713225;ben_vulpes;getting in on any sort of investment with a woman you don't own lock stock and all three holes is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of
1715573;1505713242;mircea_popescu;could "invest" with an usg bank.
1715574;1505713249;ben_vulpes;and even then yeah baby uh huh it's "ouuuuur" house
1715575;1505713294;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: a+ bukkit of lolz
1715576;1505713403;BingoBoingo;In other bukkitz http://www.walrusbucketsaga.com/
1715577;1505713524;ben_vulpes;and in other splittenings; bill kristol presents the "exquisitely poll-tested effort to create a safe new center" (nolabels.org); "we stand together against an alternative right disdainful of the traditions of American conservativism and a vocal left that blends socialist economics with identity politics" hurrrrr yes please i would like my beige underpowered mini van with tan seats oh and can i have the
1715578;1505713526;ben_vulpes;electronic self-closing doors please?
1715579;1505713595;BingoBoingo;Specifically http://www.walrusbucketsaga.com/images/110-found-it_jennifer-barnes.jpg
1715580;1505713877;ben_vulpes;now that is a mountain of meat
1715581;1505713998;BingoBoingo;And more mobile than dependopotatomusen
1715582;1505714126;ben_vulpes;hey she's a mermaid
1715583;1505714453;BingoBoingo;AHA, gotta have flippers for right propulsion!
1715584;1505733177;phf;i'm getting ads when browsing on my phone "купить майнер под ключ!" i guess russia is reliving 2014?
1715585;1505733528;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714939 << no, i'm going to meet with a friend who jumped through those hoops though. he might know a couple of moscows collocations
1715586;1505733528;a111;Logged on 2017-09-15 21:51 mircea_popescu: phf yeah, do you have a muscovi corp reg'd ?
1715587;1505734752;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715334 << i don't grok this populist sentiment coming from you of all people. su was hardly rwanda in terms of "1st gen in shoes" and the bulk of those "flew into space" people were pulled from gulags
1715588;1505734752;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715307 << didja sleep though the century when '1st gen in shoes' folx handed 'cultured' europe its arse on a platter, and then flew into space etc
1715589;1505736015;phf;i'm sure there's a lateral systematic rot there, but not directly where you point http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715331 there's a technical reasons for why you want 3 generation bidet before touching piano
1715590;1505736015;a111;Logged on 2017-09-17 14:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715304 << on one hand, idiot rabble uprising, sure, on other -- fr elite suffered from a fatal case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611080 rot
1715591;1505737559;phf;meanwhile, on asciilifeform's space submarine http://68.media.tumblr.com/b48a296adb948d6dfde82450ad874408/tumblr_ovo9jdFxiL1sndzdgo1_500.jpg
1715592;1505737900;shinohai;lolz
1715593;1505742541;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the entomology dept, https://archive.is/e7TuU << one for the flondor list. a very dedicated goebbels.
1715594;1505743382;phf;^ https://archive.is/e7TuU/a9e266b5e26e862285dbfc1c2fe15369c3f6d2db.jpg << physiognomy is real(c)
1715595;1505744579;asciilifeform;it is, innit.
1715596;1505744636;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715587 << point being, gulag or not, ~none of these folx came from the хруст французской булки nobility
1715597;1505744636;a111;Logged on 2017-09-18 11:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715334 << i don't grok this populist sentiment coming from you of all people. su was hardly rwanda in terms of "1st gen in shoes" and the bulk of those "flew into space" people were pulled from gulags
1715598;1505744656;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715589 << i'd be curious re what are these 'technical reasons'
1715599;1505744656;a111;Logged on 2017-09-18 12:00 phf: i'm sure there's a lateral systematic rot there, but not directly where you point http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715331 there's a technical reasons for why you want 3 generation bidet before touching piano
1715600;1505744686;asciilifeform;ftr, i never saw bidet with own eyes until timisoara in '14.
1715601;1505744721;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-24#639521 < obliglul
1715602;1505744721;a111;Logged on 2014-04-24 00:33 asciilifeform: me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna
1715603;1505744733;phf;there's no хруст французской булки nobility, it's as much of a su invention as the idea that workers&farmers built space program
1715604;1505744771;asciilifeform;it ain't wholly fiction tho, ~none of them were more than 2-3 gens removed from plow
1715605;1505744803;asciilifeform;more newtons than laplaces, by a fat margin.
1715606;1505745410;phf;technical reasons are simple, you don't want shit on your keys
1715607;1505745649;phf;2-3 gens removed from plow is already further away than 1st gen with shoes. and the way away from plow was particular, through seminary teacher fathers and poor мещянеmothers
1715608;1505745986;phf;asciilifeform: i'm actually surprised, you guys didn't have a separate water hose in your su bathroom for ass washing?
1715609;1505747109;asciilifeform;nope
1715610;1505747116;asciilifeform;not only didn't have, but never seen anyone have.
1715611;1505747151;asciilifeform;but then again never saw a piano with shit on keys either.
1715612;1505747667;phf;the two are be related!
1715613;1505747810;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHX7NZS8zAI
1715614;1505747980;shinohai;http://archive.is/FfXIr   <<< Avast, me hearties!
1715615;1505749568;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715572 << fwiw, my experience doth not support this.
1715616;1505749568;a111;Logged on 2017-09-18 05:40 ben_vulpes: getting in on any sort of investment with a woman you don't own lock stock and all three holes is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of
1715617;1505749730;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715612 << i find this theory very unpersuasive.
1715618;1505749730;a111;Logged on 2017-09-18 15:14 phf: the two are be related!
1715619;1505750050;asciilifeform;but meanwhile, in the world of nsa burning magicpacket 0days, https://archive.is/sqfSc
1715620;1505750070;asciilifeform;'A buffer overflow was discovered in tpacket_rcv() function in the Linux kernel since v4.6-rc1 through v4.13. A number of socket-related syscalls can be made to set up a configuration when each packet received by a network interface can cause writing up to 10 bytes to a kernel memory outside of a kernel buffer...'
1715621;1505750093;asciilifeform;run moar overflowlang!1!!
1715622;1505750922;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "usgistani woman", i suppose. one of those irate generalizations.
1715623;1505751263;mats;in udder news, http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/17/us/georgia-tech-student-killed/index.html
1715624;1505751437;asciilifeform;mats: 'suicide by cop' is fairly regular item afaik
1715625;1505766695;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1715627;1505766718;BingoBoingo;AHA, back to crashing nao
1715628;1505767178;ben_vulpes;http://nypost.com/2017/09/18/two-london-subway-attack-suspects-are-refugees/
1715629;1505767245;ben_vulpes;also this one slipped through the cracks: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/devs-unknowingly-use-malicious-modules-put-into-official-python-repository/ "use more centralized distribution models without cryptographic verification of anything much less identity!"
1715630;1505768796;asciilifeform;pubkeyverification is meaningless without wot, ben_vulpes
1715631;1505768878;asciilifeform;( to nitpick, yes the heathens have a scenario where it still does something, where everybody has 'star topology' 'wot' consisting of the greatinca. but to call this 'meaningful' is a stretch. )
1715632;1505769031;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes in general i find select women infinitely more dependable than select men ; this may be an artefact of my very female focus tho.
1715633;1505769238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand, that's ~strictly how "civilised" life "in a civilised society" works. "everyone's out there playing monopoly, but a lawyer is the only guy who read the inside of the top of the box" and so following.
1715634;1505769282;mircea_popescu;it's unworkable, but only nowadays that tmsr is here. before its invention, it was just as workable as pulling plow by hand.
1715635;1505769287;mircea_popescu;peopledidit.jpg
1715636;1505769302;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in general i find select women infinitely more dependable than select men ; this may be an artefact of my very female focus tho. << Well, the key here is 'select'
1715637;1505769311;BingoBoingo;Typical bloke does not select anything
1715638;1505769331;mircea_popescu;yeah, perfectly possible my select works better for slits than pipes.
1715639;1505769375;BingoBoingo;Point is more that you do any selecting at al
1715640;1505769378;BingoBoingo;*all
1715641;1505769425;mircea_popescu;heh
1715642;1505769465;mircea_popescu;o shit. you're right aren't you. rnadom mommy-ho in costa rica had NEVER before experienced sexual rejection, had she. and like her...
1715643;1505769492;mircea_popescu;lots and lots and lots of mommy-hos nobody's ever said no to.
1715644;1505772740;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1715645;1505772778;BingoBoingo;Even if mommy-ho is as per ben_vulpes description "a mountain of meat"
1715646;1505772870;BingoBoingo;Average dude doesn't have to much much selecting as to which pipes to be stacked with in order to beat complete lack of selection
1715647;1505774256;ben_vulpes;the relevant other side of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-11#202626 is that they know intimately how shitty their own street urchins are; and hope that *any* selection process applied to a base stock of omfg not that shit that i see every day will yield better results than the horror stories of american "foster system", obvious drawbacks of adopting out of their local pool of poor
1715648;1505774257;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-09-11 19:34 mircea_popescu: they. literally. with no embelishment of rhetoric whatsoever. CAN. NOT. interact with unknowns. AT ALL. zilp ; zero ; zilch ; nada.
1715649;1505774567;ben_vulpes;i remain unconvinced that selection applied to us base stock will filter anything of quality out; ppm one'd want to filter for demands astronomical throughput. perhaps this is just the perspective of a guy who's been stuck in the mayogendered, kilt-wearing, anally opposed to the notion of getting pretty for a date, "i won't buy the truck you suggest i buy because A MAN SUGGESTED I BUY A GOOD TRUCK and that
1715650;1505774569;ben_vulpes;would mean he has some knowledge i don't and i went to college dammit!"
1715651;1505775033;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah, see the http://trilema.com/2017/family-business/ most recent piece at the juncture where it links the genetics of intelligence.
1715652;1505775102;mircea_popescu;this is the fundamental problem of racism, that it imagines a bag in which there are 8e795 possible balls out of which you pull 8e20 or so can be approximated on the basis of "i've seen THOUSANDS of 8e20 pulls! and besides, the bag is only like 8e21 or maaaybe 8e22". it is not. it is literally 8e795.
1715653;1505775119;mircea_popescu;i did type the values through numpad mashing ; nevertheless and notwithstanding they are exactly correct.
1715654;1505775204;ben_vulpes;not because of anything inherent to the biology of the meatsacks involved, mircea_popescu , but due to the induced brain damage of living stateside for so long.
1715655;1505775209;mircea_popescu;the vastness bag of possibilities presented by human genetics far far FARRRRR outstrips any vastness commonly contemplated, such as "how many atoms there are in the universe". this does not make it infinite, no, but there's much ado can be fit in the space between two "very large"s.
1715656;1505775222;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ah, yeah, age doth play a major part.
1715657;1505775274;mircea_popescu;but your argument was "i remain unconvinced that selection applied to us base stock will filter anything of quality", and this doesn't discuss culture (or rather, it proposes "but what if we fixed culture").
1715658;1505775335;ben_vulpes;i was musing to a close friend who is in frequent wonderation at what i've wrought in my tiny domain that i doubt that i could pull the same thing off again ex a) the influences of this cult and b) taking her home at 23 or whatever it was
1715659;1505775413;ben_vulpes;the stories i hear from the american field, horrifying i tell you. bartendresses with hundreds of thousands in debt; girls making 60k per annum who refuse to shop anywhere but the clothes-recycler lest they create strife with their housemates who bill immediately for the 6.75 share of the gas bill...
1715660;1505775416;mircea_popescu;in other holy shit wtf, about ONE THIRD of the total various itams that were in flight are now delayed in transit. BECAUSE FUCKING MIAMI. holy shit FEMA should gib me care packages.
1715661;1505775474;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if the story-field is reddit, instagram et all, have to factor in that if it's not a good story then why are people reading it and simple minds don't know a good asshole from a hole in the over the top ground.
1715662;1505775550;ben_vulpes;friends, mircea_popescu .
1715663;1505775596;mircea_popescu;yes, but how do you know they're not talking to you as if you were the twitterbox ?
1715664;1505775638;mircea_popescu;a psychopath, you see, is one whose intellectual development arrested at a very early stage, baby looks at its mother's eyes and doth not perceive aught past the glass. a socialmediapath, however, is one who simply forgot there is such a thing as people.
1715665;1505775639;trinque;ben_vulpes: hell, I imported two to pdx and both caught all kinds of local pathogens, rotted from the head down.
1715666;1505775673;mircea_popescu;contrary to commonly held belief, tuna stinks up from the head down, not otherwise!
1715667;1505775689;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i also know a few of the girls involved
1715668;1505775727;mircea_popescu;i'm not impugning yer testimony, but did want to point out that with some frequency in the anglotarded youth i get the impression they're deeply desocialized to the point of disability in this sense.
1715669;1505775786;ben_vulpes;mostly i know because i won't let them talk to me as though i were the twitterbox; 'tis the reason the relationships have all persisted as long as they have.
1715670;1505775789;*;ben_vulpes grumbles
1715671;1505775810;ben_vulpes;trinque: toxic feminism or something like that
1715672;1505775821;*;ben_vulpes has vacated; zero regrets.
1715673;1505775831;mircea_popescu;o, you left oregon ?
1715674;1505775840;ben_vulpes;very much so.
1715675;1505775841;trinque;aha. talking to folks here induces not one hundredth the bloodrage
1715676;1505775911;ben_vulpes;i am wearing a john deere meshback as we speak
1715677;1505775916;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1715678;1505776455;BingoBoingo;lol
1715679;1505776482;BingoBoingo;But Deere is so passe, Reall hicks rep Massey Ferguson!
1715680;1505776589;ben_vulpes;i really do give a shit about being au courant with the hickset, BingoBoingo
1715681;1505776679;BingoBoingo;Well, I believe the good people of Georgian mountains say in their famous tourist slogan: "Poseurs make pig squeels with their pants down"
1715682;1505776936;BingoBoingo;Or however that line in the banjo film went
1715683;1505776971;*;ben_vulpes hums the dueling banjos refrain
1715684;1505776999;BingoBoingo;lol at WAPO missing the obvs connection "In the video, officers can be heard telling Schultz, who identified as nonbinary and used they/them pronouns, to drop the knife. Instead, Schultz walks slowly toward the officers and can be heard shouting, “shoot me.”"
1715685;1505777017;BingoBoingo;to "The attorney also said he wanted to know if the officers involved were trained to deal with mentally impaired people. Schultz’s mother told reporters..."
1715686;1505778246;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes made his way down south, to the saloon, to the spittoon ?1?
1715687;1505778313;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it is north, but not by much. culturally, it is to the 'right', and by enough to feel the difference on a daily basis.
1715688;1505778323;ben_vulpes;the few days i've been here, at least.
1715689;1505778380;ben_vulpes;in other news, W3C finally brings DRM to the masses; EFF resigns: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/09/open-letter-w3c-director-ceo-team-and-membership
1715690;1505778427;asciilifeform;'...we proposed a compromise. We agreed to stand down regarding the EME standard, provided that the W3C extend its existing IPR policies to deter members from using DRM laws in connection with the EME (such as Section 1201 of the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act or European national implementations of Article 6 of the EUCD) except in combination with another cause of action.' << quislings
1715691;1505778486;asciilifeform;and playing entirely by the typical script
1715692;1505778785;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715652 << but it's ONE SUBTRACTION ! ( sorry couldn't resist, lol )
1715693;1505778785;a111;Logged on 2017-09-18 22:51 mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental problem of racism, that it imagines a bag in which there are 8e795 possible balls out of which you pull 8e20 or so can be approximated on the basis of "i've seen THOUSANDS of 8e20 pulls! and besides, the bag is only like 8e21 or maaaybe 8e22". it is not. it is literally 8e795.
1715694;1505778831;mircea_popescu;lel
1715695;1505778883;*;asciilifeform currently working on a modified knuth's nonrestoring div algo that permits a half-bitness remainder. this saves B/2 in each of the O(N) shift and mux operations
1715696;1505778897;asciilifeform;is the 'obvious 2x speedup' alluded to earlier.
1715697;1505778936;asciilifeform;still fascinated with the question of whether a constant-spacetime 'divide&conquer' divisitron is possible.
1715698;1505778974;asciilifeform;lost count of the various mathematical masturbations, going back to mid-1980s, which dodge the question
1715699;1505779033;asciilifeform;tried and failed to cough up a branch-free newton's method of any kind
1715700;1505779054;asciilifeform;( all known restatements of newton-raphson reciprocation require normalization, i.e. look at the bits )
1715701;1505779130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's algo (aka 'sliding window' , apparently ) takes ~4x the cost of the naive one when implemented constantspacetimefully (i.e. whole table gets walked through mux on every lookup)
1715702;1505779604;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so you went like from oregon to washington ?
1715703;1505779639;ben_vulpes;mhm
1715704;1505779655;*;mircea_popescu recalls the time oregon was in the same way
1715705;1505779660;mircea_popescu;and cigarettes were 10 cents
1715706;1505783326;shinohai;http://archive.is/JGgow  <<< I trust this report, since this guy is the world's leading authority on viruses and all.
1715707;1505791685;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1715708;1505791691;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3974.25, vol: 17426.72326171 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3966.6, vol: 62412.87882297 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3754.576517, vol: 1861.21940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3974.9, vol: 7766.73859145 | Volume-weighted last average: 3964.39982983
1715709;1505792768;ben_vulpes;california hep outbreak continues to be totally contained: ¸http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-san-diego-hepatitis-20170918-story.html
1715710;1505792913;mircea_popescu;goes great with the bedbugs and syphilis.
1715711;1505795033;BingoBoingo;bedbugs are no where near peaked yet
1715712;1505795231;BingoBoingo;relatit 14 year old lulz http://articles.latimes.com/2003/sep/11/home/hm-ants11
1715713;1505795403;BingoBoingo;Spoiler: Chalk contains hella deltamethrin and other pyrethroids making it incredi-safe, US still has no better approved alternative
1715714;1505795875;BingoBoingo;Compare to 13 years later: "In response, this week Michigan officials are considering new rules to limit the use of the pesticide. If the rules are approved, as expected, Michigan would join a growing number of states and the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in trying to prevent the misuse of methomyl, in part by restricting who can buy it and requiring new warning labels. But some observers fear the labels—which depict a
1715715;1505795875;BingoBoingo;raccoon in a red circle with a slash through it—might unintentionally make matters worse."
1715716;1505795881;BingoBoingo;https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/02/regulators-move-limit-wildlife-deaths-misuse-deadly-fly-killer
1715717;1505795888;BingoBoingo;^ EPA approved
1715718;1505795913;BingoBoingo;More for the posteriority: "“It’s indiscriminate, intentional poisoning of wildlife,” says Brian Rowe, who recently retired as pesticide section manager at the Michigan Department of Agriculture & Rural Development in Lansing. “Some of them die with their face in the pan that they’re licking out of. I mean, it kills them that quick.”"
1715719;1505796141;BingoBoingo;Actual field research shows consumers read no pesticide labels whatsoever and just look for aeresol cans, then cycle cans until one has desired effect: "EPA officials say no such testing occurred, but are confident that people will read the new labels as intended. The agency notes that text below the symbol reads “it is illegal to use this product with the intention to kill raccoons, skunks, opossums, coyotes, wolves, dogs, cats, or an
1715720;1505796142;BingoBoingo;y other non-target species.”"
1715721;1505796178;mircea_popescu;lol illegal intentions
1715722;1505796220;asciilifeform;why not straight to sarin, lol
1715723;1505796231;asciilifeform;why settle for small change.
1715724;1505796355;mircea_popescu;well, racoons are a very successful sort of rat. as a result, they don't have any friends among the people they interact with on any kind of regular basis. kinda like pigeons, actually.
1715725;1505796373;asciilifeform;we have'em here, gigantic rat aha
1715726;1505796407;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Because sarin, like malathion and vx has a repellent effect for the lucky to get a whiff from sufficient distance
1715727;1505796415;asciilifeform;but not a bigger rat than the fucking corn eaters.
1715728;1505796455;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> well, racoons are a very successful sort of rat. as a result, they don't have any friends among the people they interact with on any kind of regular basis. kinda like pigeons, actually. << Aha, like their namesake. For people interacting with them occasionally "entertaining", in constant contact universally nuissance
1715729;1505796465;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> but not a bigger rat than the fucking corn eaters. << raccoons are corn eaters!
1715730;1505796467;asciilifeform;there's no limit to whom or what the cornfed 'civilization' is willing to poison, to keep the nonsense going for another day
1715731;1505796495;asciilifeform;( recall mircea_popescu's 'ban on trees' piece. )
1715732;1505796510;BingoBoingo;AHA
1715733;1505796536;BingoBoingo;Anyways the Chicom repellent chalk by comparison is peak sanity
1715734;1505796609;BingoBoingo;Mild neurotoxin with strong repellent properties in solid binder... as opposed to atomizer mist device
1715735;1505796790;trinque;or folks could put away their food, even.
1715736;1505796877;asciilifeform;naah trinque that's clearly Not Possible !1!! instead idjits will exterminate large mammals so we can be beset with fast-breeding, small ones, like in rat temple in india
1715737;1505796944;BingoBoingo;Hey, when's the last time you've seen deer attack adult human out of hunger? Mouse WILL!!!
1715738;1505797009;asciilifeform;rats will clean invalid, infant, other immobile meat, like pirannha.
1715739;1505797015;*;trinque has a cat for murdering those, roaches, w/e crawls and therefore mustest die.
1715740;1505797031;trinque;and hell I'll keep a spider around too if it's not bothering me
1715741;1505797064;trinque;there's a little wolf guy living in my truck somewhere at the moment
1715742;1505797079;asciilifeform;trinque: how'd you react to neighbour cornfuck leaving poisoned bait for your beast to find ?
1715743;1505797113;trinque;not kindly
1715744;1505797254;mircea_popescu;trinque the blessings of the plains folk. up here, there's no flies, no roaches, no nothing.
1715745;1505797264;mircea_popescu;i do have a lot of geckos, but tbh they're great.
1715746;1505797286;asciilifeform;the astonishing thing is that even here there are geckos.
1715747;1505797301;asciilifeform;or something quite similar, not wholly sure
1715748;1505797349;trinque;lots of them here too, cute little bastards
1715749;1505797494;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> trinque: how'd you react to neighbour cornfuck leaving poisoned bait for your beast to find ? << 90% of successful pest control is geography
1715750;1505797515;BingoBoingo;Including neighbor selection
1715751;1505797590;asciilifeform;'don't like lice? don't live in gulag' -- such breakthrough!11
1715752;1505797634;BingoBoingo;Another 9% is in critters you keep.
1715753;1505797640;trinque;^
1715754;1505797665;BingoBoingo;0.9% is pyrethroid repellents
1715755;1505797730;BingoBoingo;The remaininder is unrestrained chemical warfare with organophosphate nerve agents on known problems.
1715756;1505797772;trinque;not like I don't spray a perimeter around my home, but other than that, if there's nothing to eat, there's nothing to eat
1715757;1505797855;BingoBoingo;But sometimes you wanna grow a tomato and there's a fucker growing corn within 85 miles which puts you within a day's flight of stinkbug horde
1715758;1505797869;trinque;you're gonna get the occasional wood roach flying through the room, but then the girl screams and free comedy
1715759;1505797876;trinque;BingoBoingo: tru
1715760;1505797925;trinque;original thread was (or I'm tired) that chicom area denial chalk (TM)
1715761;1505797961;trinque;if growing outside, probably going to need sprays
1715762;1505797972;BingoBoingo;Yeah Safe Chicom Chalk, vs. US fly/coon bait mega poison
1715763;1505798031;*;trinque gonna go park brain for the night
1715764;1505798034;trinque;cya
1715765;1505798057;BingoBoingo;Have fun.
1715766;1505798159;BingoBoingo;In other, more recent ripped from the headlines: "Woman complains Hobby Lobby’s raw cotton decor is racially insensitive "
1715767;1505798687;BingoBoingo;And a laff:"On Sunday night, as police officers marched downtown, a Post-Dispatch photographer heard them chant a refrain most often heard at Ferguson protests: “Whose streets? Our streets.”"
1715768;1505800081;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/actual-healines-found-on-mainstream-fake-news-publications/ << Qntra - Actual Healines Found On Mainstream "Fake News" Publications
1715769;1505801610;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: perhaps meant headlines?
1715770;1505804757;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Fuck, ty, fxd
1715771;1505805751;BingoBoingo;In other news, there's a new season of South Park
1715772;1505805798;BingoBoingo;Only heard about if 4 days after it started
1715773;1505806639;BingoBoingo;The mine where I found out https://www.alternet.org/culture/why-south-park-perfectly-armed-fight-alt-right
1715774;1505818545;deedbot;deeds online
1715775;1505831247;trinque;!!help
1715776;1505831247;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1715777;1505837566;asciilifeform;in other trilema-plagiarism arts , https://archive.is/M7Mse << '...many of these self-styled online radicals were actually military contractors, drawing salaries with benefits from the very same U.S. national security state they claimed to be fighting. Their spunky crypto-tech also turned out, on closer inspection, to be a jury-rigged and porous Potemkin Village version of secure digital communications. What’s more, the relevant so
1715778;1505837566;asciilifeform;ftware here was itself financed by the U.S. government: millions of dollars a year flowing to crypto radicals from the Pentagon, the State Department, and organizations spun off from the CIA.'
1715779;1505838209;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/19/strawberry-creek-wunderland/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Strawberry Creek Wunderland
1715780;1505839638;asciilifeform;!!up acataleptic
1715781;1505839639;deedbot;acataleptic voiced for 30 minutes.
1715782;1505839680;asciilifeform;acataleptic: who might you be ?
1715783;1505840617;acataleptic;nobody of any importance. friends of friends of friends directed me here.
1715784;1505841737;trinque;IP out of good old san francisco
1715785;1505841754;trinque;has the forum yet digested a calitard?
1715786;1505841968;ben_vulpes;not afaik
1715787;1505842001;ben_vulpes;g_l will protest the claim
1715788;1505842061;trinque;popcorn kernel stuck in throat isn't digestion, lol
1715789;1505843984;asciilifeform;!!up fromdeedbot
1715790;1505843985;deedbot;fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1715791;1505844036;fromdeedbot;who owns this service
1715792;1505844077;ben_vulpes;fromdeedbot: which service
1715793;1505844096;fromdeedbot;deedbot.org
1715794;1505844104;ben_vulpes;trinque does
1715795;1505844122;fromdeedbot;I want my information removed from your site
1715796;1505844127;ben_vulpes;haw haw haw
1715797;1505844139;asciilifeform;ahahahahahahaha
1715798;1505844145;ben_vulpes;well who are you?
1715799;1505844167;fromdeedbot;wouldnt you like to know
1715800;1505844180;trinque;lol? so how am I to know "my" then?
1715801;1505844187;asciilifeform;a tard, apparently, who else
1715802;1505844187;ben_vulpes;ahahaha this is choice
1715803;1505844211;fromdeedbot;eheheheh
1715804;1505844213;fromdeedbot;neckbeards
1715805;1505844235;trinque;!!down fromdeedbot
1715806;1505844666;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-pretty/ << Trilema - Little Miss Pretty
1715807;1505844782;BingoBoingo;lol @ motto of the day!
1715808;1505844805;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/us-president-trump-makes-first-address-to-un/ << Qntra - US President Trump Makes First Address To UN
1715809;1505845015;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Go1za/?raw=true << so get this
1715810;1505845146;ben_vulpes;did not even bother to specify which information?
1715811;1505845158;trinque;MUH INFORMATIONS
1715812;1505845165;trinque;"but I have lifelock!"
1715813;1505845215;ben_vulpes;gotta lead em on a bit for max lulz, "hm, what informations are we talking about here?"
1715814;1505845241;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-23#1249399
1715815;1505845241;a111;Logged on 2015-08-23 05:06 trinque: I demand for this to never have happened at once!
1715816;1505845560;shinohai;Same individual in #otc trinque  14:21:52 	--	[day___] (5ac0f111@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.192.241.17): 90.192.241.17 - http://webchat.freenode.net
1715817;1505845697;asciilifeform;i suspect trollage
1715818;1505845713;asciilifeform;otherwise it'd look moar like 'hi i am magicaltux and i demand that you unnegrate me at once!'
1715819;1505845970;BingoBoingo;Could be Equifax!
1715820;1505847037;shinohai;Equifags
1715821;1505848191;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715795 << that part was pretty lulzy.
1715822;1505848191;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 18:02 fromdeedbot: I want my information removed from your site
1715823;1505848361;shinohai; rm -rf myinformation/*
1715824;1505848389;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715785 << hanbot was born and raised in san diego.
1715825;1505848389;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 17:22 trinque: has the forum yet digested a calitard?
1715826;1505848427;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715791 << bwajhahaha o lordy.
1715827;1505848427;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 18:00 fromdeedbot: who owns this service
1715828;1505848464;trinque;even teh pantsuit law reads: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."
1715829;1505848470;trinque;something really must be done
1715830;1505848502;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure what the claim is supposed to be. prolly grubles dicking about.
1715831;1505848519;mircea_popescu;or w/e, there's a by now lengthy comet tails' worth of idiots who WERE NOT CONSULTED.
1715832;1505848537;asciilifeform;there was goat or somesuch
1715833;1505848542;asciilifeform;who was the d00d with the ddostron
1715834;1505848559;trinque;I guess we'll never know; guy assumed I read thoughts.
1715835;1505848695;shinohai; 15:13:42 	+mimisbrunnr	486018: 000000000000000000ef605f3c5d45bb1228223474e8d2870bd82c2d52f556cb (6h, 52m, 0s)   <<< jeez
1715836;1505848740;asciilifeform;nsa had to swap tapes on the splice, wat
1715837;1505848794;ben_vulpes;heh i've been waiting for that
1715838;1505848817;ben_vulpes;was reporting 20+ connections and exhibiting no signs of blackhole
1715839;1505848822;ben_vulpes;just...no new blocks.
1715840;1505848855;ben_vulpes;mouth now open, waiting for them to pour in; found a non sybil i guess.
1715841;1505848973;asciilifeform;trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/76xSb/?raw=true
1715842;1505849178;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'mouth open' is exact description of the block pull mechanism
1715843;1505849207;asciilifeform;srsly , thing makes NO active effort to snarf new blox, other than at boot time
1715844;1505849208;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: lol i got it from you
1715845;1505849214;trinque;asciilifeform: ack, ty
1715846;1505849507;ben_vulpes;and in other things american hospitals are willing to charge a tidy hundo to use a single item of: http://www.ebay.com/itm/McKesson-Rapid-Diagnostic-Test-Kit-Medi-Lab-Performance-Strep-A-CLIA-Waived-2-/122676899273?hash=item1c901cedc9:g:DzcAAOSw9ENZpvbV
1715847;1505849566;ben_vulpes;lol and earlier today this read "Emacs and VIM users 2X as likely to pass technical interviews as Eclipse users": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15285927
1715848;1505849621;asciilifeform;somebody still does technicalinterviews ?!!
1715849;1505849660;ben_vulpes;people still fuck goats, asciilifeform
1715850;1505849669;asciilifeform;i thought that at this point everybody just does the 5min litmus test
1715851;1505849709;asciilifeform;( put whatever in d00d's hands, say snipped of x86 asm, or the like, and watch if eyes/hands light up in obviously correct motions, or if cow stare )
1715852;1505849714;asciilifeform;*snippet
1715853;1505852619;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JHUvM/?raw=true << in other lulz. i'll skip to the money shot: 'It is the sense of Congress that WikiLeaks and the senior leadership of WikiLeaks resemble a non-state hostile intelligence  service often abetted by state actors and should be treated as such a service by the United States.'
1715854;1505852707;asciilifeform;other lulz include 'Section 402 requires the DNI, within 30 days of enactment, to sponsor a security clearance for each eligible chief election official of a State, territory, or the District of Columbia (and up to one eligible designee), up to the top secret level. Section 402 also requires the DNI to share appropriate classified information-related threats to election systems and to the integrity of the election process with chief
1715855;1505852707;asciilifeform;election officials and their designees who possess the aforementioned security clearances.'
1715856;1505852745;asciilifeform;( translation from usg limba de lemn : 'there will now be concrete penalties for exposing dnc diddling of elections' )
1715857;1505852889;asciilifeform;also didjaknow, 'Section 609 requires the DNI, in coordination with the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of FBI, the Director of CIA, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of the Treasury, to develop a whole-of-government strategy for countering Russian cyber threats against United States electoral systems and processes'
1715858;1505852952;asciilifeform;and finally, bonus 'bill of attainder' - 'Section 614 requires the Secretary of State, in executing the advance notification requirements of the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2017, to ensure the Russian Federation provides two business days of advance notice to the Secretary prior to Russian diplomatic or consular travel...'
1715859;1505852973;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: qntra fodder ?
1715860;1505854754;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715850 << i stopped doing even those. i've had a couple of months of lulzy 5 minute litmus tests that resulted in 100% failure rate, which made me think that perhaps the whole "teach everyone!1 to program" basically means that s/n has finally approached 0.
1715861;1505854754;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 19:34 asciilifeform: i thought that at this point everybody just does the 5min litmus test
1715862;1505854802;asciilifeform;phf: it was fascinating, i saw same thing, walk in 50 people and not 1 actually has ~any idea how to solve basic pons asinorum
1715863;1505854847;asciilifeform;incl. folx with all imaginable paper 'qualifications', masters of sciences, perfect marks, whatever nonsense
1715864;1505854897;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580642 << see also.
1715865;1505854897;a111;Logged on 2016-12-09 19:36 asciilifeform: phf: to quote one such 'speshul trainflake' i encountered once, 'you should be making me an offer, and not asking me to do tricks'
1715866;1505854910;phf;oh yeah, right, we did have a thread
1715867;1505854962;phf;same thread as a guy who freaked the fuck out, because i told him to ssh into a box for the interview
1715868;1505854982;asciilifeform;that seems quite posh, vs usual chalk dust
1715869;1505855097;phf;i was trying to be ~polite~. if you put "10 years of unix" on your resume, i sort of assume "tell me your favorite editor and then ssh into the box for interview" is a bushido level of politeness
1715870;1505855171;phf;i now realize though that "X years of unix" only works if it rolls over into the 90s. otherwise it's an irrelevant factoid
1715871;1505855205;asciilifeform;this unfortunately applies to ~everything and ~anything else just the same
1715872;1505855415;phf;asciilifeform: also i'm not sure if you've seen http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/tools.html
1715873;1505855442;asciilifeform;phf: iirc it popped up in the 'bsd cat' thread
1715874;1505855490;phf;ah i see
1715875;1505855503;asciilifeform;but obvious q : how to square 'Support for multibyte characters in UTF-8 and many East Asian encodings.' with 'Derived from original Unix material released as Open Source by Caldera and Sun' and 'heirloominess' ??
1715876;1505855528;trinque;also "this here cpio does zip"
1715877;1505855534;asciilifeform;aaaaha
1715878;1505855560;asciilifeform;btw 'bitcoin-heirloom' by mikehearn, gavin et al, when.
1715879;1505855871;phf;it's not republic software, so it's never going to be fully aligned
1715880;1505855972;phf;but ~i think~ naive multibyte (though i haven't looked at particular implementation, i'm judging by something like nvi2) is less of an issue than outright gnuisms
1715881;1505856087;asciilifeform;phf: it's the root of 90% of the bloat and outright retardation in the currently extant utils
1715882;1505856231;phf;i don't think that's right, since plan9 does _utf-8_ at fraction of complexity
1715883;1505856311;phf;90% of bloat and outright retardation comes from there being retards in the process. it's like cancer, it doesn't limit itself to only this type of tissue
1715884;1505856530;asciilifeform;'string length is now O(N)' is not compatible with concept of healthy tissue. period.
1715885;1505856561;asciilifeform;not only length-finding, but subsectioning, search, just about any op
1715886;1505856608;asciilifeform;variablybytedcharism is retarded, and sane folx don't push it.
1715887;1505856629;phf;i don't know why you explain to me things that ~i argued in the past~. fwiw, i argued "utf-8 is a whole spittoon" back when the question of encoding first came up, to somewhat fierce opposition
1715888;1505856635;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe?
1715889;1505856666;asciilifeform;phf: you were quite right in the past. comment is re 'fraction of complexity' item
1715890;1505856683;asciilifeform;it doesn't matter how variablebyteism is implemented, or by whom, is is simply badnoose.
1715891;1505856811;asciilifeform;!!up barpub
1715892;1505856811;deedbot;barpub voiced for 30 minutes.
1715893;1505856848;asciilifeform;oh hey trinque we have a fella from yer favourite geography
1715894;1505856857;asciilifeform;iirc.
1715895;1505856965;barpub;it strikes me that variable-length encoding and ropes are natural complements
1715896;1505856978;asciilifeform;barpub: ropes?
1715897;1505856995;barpub;if you're stuck representing strings as flat arrays, yes, o(n)ism is a necessity
1715898;1505857007;barpub;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_%28data_structure%29
1715899;1505857064;asciilifeform;barpub: if you know where i can buy ram that ain't a flatarray, please tell
1715900;1505857098;barpub;yes, only problem with content-addressable memory is I can't buy it
1715901;1505857106;asciilifeform;presently EVERYBODY is 'representing strings as flat array', but some folx are lying to themselves about it
1715902;1505857158;barpub;sure any binary tree has an underlying flat representation, because hardware itself enforces this
1715903;1505857177;phf;i've actually tried putting ropes in a bunch of projects and they never have good performance characteristics. in fact for text editors no one has invented anything better than "one string per one line", and if you want to be fancy you split it at point (what emacs does)
1715904;1505857233;barpub;xi editor is pretty snappy, i've used it on multi-gb csvs
1715905;1505857243;asciilifeform;... and if you've decided to 'be fancy', go the whole hog and write a structure editor
1715906;1505857258;asciilifeform;rather than some sad hybrid of bulldog and rhinoceros
1715907;1505857268;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1715908;1505857275;barpub;agreed, but even a structure editor has, or should have, a prose mode
1715909;1505857279;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3890.73, vol: 15807.63131920 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3892.5, vol: 50019.87163725 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3780.807709, vol: 1356.96030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3900.0, vol: 7148.02952009 | Volume-weighted last average: 3890.80583792
1715910;1505857285;barpub;in which case the ast is just a rope and has no further semantics
1715911;1505857341;phf;barpub: nah, real structure editor doesn't. but then i've no idea what asciilifeform is talking about. there's not really any real structure editors in production. i know of a dead one, and it's an interlisp programming environment
1715912;1505857354;asciilifeform;that's the only 1 i know of aha
1715913;1505857458;barpub;if there was a structure editor whose structures include free text, and one whose structures do not, i would pick the former
1715914;1505857486;barpub;since i do write ordinary English from time to time, and would need in the latter case two programs when i want only one
1715915;1505857558;asciilifeform;'ropes' text not only replaces O(1) ops with O(log n), but introduces pointerism and the inevitable overflow ( when implemented, as all unixen are, in overflowlang ) and thus possibility of ill-formed structures , whereas ALL conventional strings are well-formed at birth
1715916;1505857564;phf;i suspect xi trades snappiness for multi-gb use, which you don't notice, since you have to run it on the most recent mac (at least mac front end requires maxver xcode)
1715917;1505857592;phf;asciilifeform: but you write it in rust, see!
1715918;1505857623;asciilifeform;if i were to randomly flip a bit in a bitstring representing roped text, it will quite possibly turn it to liquishit. if i do the same to normal string, you have 1 bad char in 1 particular place.
1715919;1505857648;barpub;it's the only example of a rope i've actual experience with
1715920;1505857666;barpub;and robustness is a cogent and reasonable objection to using them
1715921;1505857669;asciilifeform;incidentally anybody who really yearns for 'ropes', can approximate the effect on his box right now: go and directly edit a gzipped text...
1715922;1505857699;asciilifeform;barpub: are you familiar with the concept of complexity-as-environmental-pollutant ?
1715923;1505857709;barpub;i've read your blog if that's what you mean
1715924;1505857719;asciilifeform;i'll take that as a yes then
1715925;1505857772;barpub;so perhaps waiting until someone reboots the scheme chip, thus hardware-enforced cellularity, thus avoiding pointerism
1715926;1505857787;barpub;is a reasonable prerequisite to having nice things, like ropes, and variable-length encoding
1715927;1505857810;barpub;and if your bedrock is the byte, use ascii and hope for the best
1715928;1505857811;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/latest-bitcoin-network-difficulty-adjustment-up-19-58-percent-to-new-all-time-high-as-chicoms-push-out-local-fiatbitcoin-trading-interfaces/ << Qntra - Latest Bitcoin Network Difficulty Adjustment: Up ~19.58 Percent To New All Time High As Chicoms Push Out Local fiat/Bitcoin Trading Interfaces
1715929;1505857911;phf;additional point is that traditionally when someone said "multi-gb" what was really meant is "file bigger than can fit in memory", and suddenly(!11) your whole underlying editor algorithm changes drastically, because you have be doing partial updates, and temp files, and all kinds of cut-and-paste trickery. that's why emacs has a special cased "big file" support. with ropes if you want to achieve multi-gb that way you basically have to
1715930;1505857912;phf;make your ropes persist on disk, and then have a single pass that build ropes out of the complete contents of file (which you already have to do), and then you offload rope subtree that doesn't fit in memory, and then you edit the whole monster by swapping rope subtrees in and out, and FINALLY you have to walk the whole rope structure, file and memory alike, to serialize it back into file
1715931;1505857930;asciilifeform;barpub: actually i've been having a pretty good time avoiding pointerism in, e.g., ffa, on ordinary pc
1715932;1505858009;asciilifeform;phf: i never understood what's wrong with mmap for text editor of 'larger than memory' items
1715933;1505858021;phf;asciilifeform: you can't insert
1715934;1505858046;phf;and yes you have to use mmap, but that's not the end of the story by a long shot
1715935;1505858088;barpub;memory should cache disk, implying the filesystem rep should also, yes, be a rope
1715936;1505858091;barpub;or ast as case may be
1715937;1505858119;barpub;again, predicated on hardware-level bedrock support for treelike structure
1715938;1505858223;phf;i regret wasting time explaining
1715939;1505858293;barpub;phf: up to you. i've already conceded the basic point: on actual hardware you can buy, ropes are fragile and corruptible and represent incidental complexity
1715940;1505858419;asciilifeform;phf: string insert is O(N) troo!! but i can't escape the notion that if you're manually inserting INSIDE multi-GB strings, Something Is Wrong with yer process
1715941;1505858461;asciilifeform;what is it exactly that HAS to be multigb, AND human-editable text, AND cannot be split into files in any way ?
1715942;1505858624;phf;hand patching binary blobs before you write a tool for it, traditionally
1715943;1505858653;asciilifeform;13337cr4x lol
1715944;1505858661;phf;!!:D
1715945;1505858662;asciilifeform;i typically write a perlism for those, with a seek()
1715946;1505858703;asciilifeform;dun think i've ever done one for a >coupleaMB bin tho
1715947;1505858739;asciilifeform;( btw i always found it interesting that the unix authors never saw it fit to include a binary equivalent for diff/patch . but iirc we had this thread. )
1715948;1505859307;phf;it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine)
1715949;1505859347;phf;it would eliminate the need for a very large number of data structures
1715950;1505863628;ben_vulpes;and in Autotranslation Today: http://archive.is/9t3Zb
1715951;1505863869;shinohai;lol
1715952;1505863902;shinohai;!~translate es to en dios mio
1715953;1505863903;jhvh1;shinohai: OMG
1715954;1505863907;shinohai;xD
1715955;1505864156;mod6;evenin'
1715956;1505864218;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715948 << cons cell is prolly the simplest physical realization of this item
1715957;1505864218;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 22:15 phf: it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine)
1715958;1505867605;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/716tmr/its_been_nearly_a_week_since_seattles_mayor_quit/ lol
1715959;1505869501;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715839 << major pos innit.
1715960;1505869501;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 19:20 ben_vulpes: just...no new blocks.
1715961;1505869524;mircea_popescu;"who the fuck designs a p2p network like this ?" "hey, thank your lucky stars he didn't build it out of wxwidgets"
1715962;1505869615;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715856 << except for "what dnc", i guess.
1715963;1505869615;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 20:25 asciilifeform: ( translation from usg limba de lemn : 'there will now be concrete penalties for exposing dnc diddling of elections' )
1715964;1505869715;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715867 << damn, i shoulda freaked out when sina wanted to show me his gossipd.
1715965;1505869715;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 21:02 phf: same thread as a guy who freaked the fuck out, because i told him to ssh into a box for the interview
1715966;1505869719;mircea_popescu;which btw, what happened to him ?
1715967;1505869770;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715869 << sounds to me like an orc half-implementation of "#trilema on freenode, use <this> if you don't have an irc client." neh
1715968;1505869770;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 21:04 phf: i was trying to be ~polite~. if you put "10 years of unix" on your resume, i sort of assume "tell me your favorite editor and then ssh into the box for interview" is a bushido level of politeness
1715969;1505869816;mircea_popescu;i always thought it somewhat weird that ~all we ever interview is chicks for the topless position, fwiw.
1715970;1505869903;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715878 << i suppose it was on the candidate list now that "bitcoin core" and "bitcoin cash" both crashed and burned ; and there you go ruining all its great cachet!
1715971;1505869903;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 21:12 asciilifeform: btw 'bitcoin-heirloom' by mikehearn, gavin et al, when.
1715972;1505869992;mircea_popescu;!~translate es to en servicio por el recollectamiento de materiales revalorizables
1715973;1505869993;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: service for the collection of revalorizable materials
1715974;1505869999;mircea_popescu;ohic.
1715975;1505870011;asciilifeform;oh hey 'cash' finally croaked?
1715976;1505870021;mircea_popescu;i'm sure not to your standards.
1715977;1505870045;mircea_popescu;but the bill as written by the usg.hacks was "takes over", not "lingers irrelevantly for as long as we keep pouring money into the sand"
1715978;1505870057;asciilifeform;troo
1715979;1505870150;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715881 << here's an alt take on this : the problem comes from having the notion of byte be anything else but bus width. if 64 bit machines natively worked on 64 bit bytes, all the message fucktification bs known as unicode would be significantly less of a conversation issue.
1715980;1505870150;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 21:21 asciilifeform: phf: it's the root of 90% of the bloat and outright retardation in the currently extant utils
1715981;1505870170;mircea_popescu;knock yourself out, have 64 bit long glyph pages, who the fuck is keeping you.
1715982;1505870193;mircea_popescu;type ctrl-X alt-b macro-meta-F12 for item #10101100101011001010110010101100
1715983;1505870218;asciilifeform;seekrit: pc arch already fetches 128b wordz internally
1715984;1505870227;mircea_popescu;aha.
1715985;1505870257;asciilifeform;but naturally buried under layers of microshitcompatibilityatallcostsforevah
1715986;1505870265;mircea_popescu;so why even maintain the "8 bit byte" nonsense ? "oh, it'd be hard for people to change" ? WHAT FUCKING PEOPLE!!! 80% of everyone involved with computers heard about this "programmable" thing sometime LAST YEAR
1715987;1505870341;mircea_popescu;it's pretty fucking clear by now that 64bit is where it stops anyway.
1715988;1505870346;mircea_popescu;so update the byte, and be fucking done with it.
1715989;1505870377;mircea_popescu;there is ~no benefit in maintaining a "quarter byte" antiquated notion, this isn't the museum of Z80 computing science.
1715990;1505870379;*;asciilifeform avoids baking 8bitism into his creations, when possible -- and sane langs make it possible
1715991;1505870402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's fine on some platforms. i think we might be like the only people who even touched such a platform this decade.
1715992;1505870425;mircea_popescu;and me entirely by accident, lawyer's den had his antique playthings, we did some rally thing on an old crt tv.
1715993;1505870481;asciilifeform;i like z80. like 6502 even moar
1715994;1505870492;asciilifeform;( cleaner arch )
1715995;1505870537;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with that. but note the fucking 8-bit byte friendly programs COME ON FUCKING CASSETTE TAPE! LIKE ROXETTE OMFG!
1715996;1505870596;mod6;join the joyride alf
1715997;1505870598;mircea_popescu;shit's not gonna be reading any ssds, dvds, etcs, so why the fuck is my 2gb sample of two girls fucking each other's ass on the brandemburg expressed in z80 units.
1715998;1505870646;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715887 << because meanwhile he gets it!
1715999;1505870646;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 21:30 phf: i don't know why you explain to me things that ~i argued in the past~. fwiw, i argued "utf-8 is a whole spittoon" back when the question of encoding first came up, to somewhat fierce opposition
1716000;1505870830;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715903 << interestingly, same here. is there a known-good application of the rope ?
1716001;1505870830;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 21:39 phf: i've actually tried putting ropes in a bunch of projects and they never have good performance characteristics. in fact for text editors no one has invented anything better than "one string per one line", and if you want to be fancy you split it at point (what emacs does)
1716002;1505870876;mircea_popescu;also, the splitting must be a view (ie, toggleable).
1716003;1505871166;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715929 << and yet nano can handle tb. it'll take a while to bring it up, but it will. insertions np, seek-next back and forth np, whole line deletions etc.
1716004;1505871166;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 21:51 phf: additional point is that traditionally when someone said "multi-gb" what was really meant is "file bigger than can fit in memory", and suddenly(!11) your whole underlying editor algorithm changes drastically, because you have be doing partial updates, and temp files, and all kinds of cut-and-paste trickery. that's why emacs has a special cased "big file" support. with ropes if you want to achieve multi-gb that way you basically have to
1716005;1505871313;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715948 << i suspect that was the original idea of pointers. "you want to insert X between A and B in AB memory ? NO PROBLEM! make A point to X instead of B and X to B itself AND IT IS DONE! MAGICALLY!"
1716006;1505871313;a111;Logged on 2017-09-19 22:15 phf: it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine)
1716007;1505871325;mircea_popescu;then the whole stack came tumbling down ; the chair that collapsed the moon unit.
1716008;1505871510;mircea_popescu;and in other randoms of today, "Есть удобный справочник от Мирчи Попеску о том, как взаимодействовать с фиатными учреждениями, которые пытаются требовать юрисдикции над виртуальными мирами."
1716009;1505871525;asciilifeform;lolwat
1716010;1505871527;asciilifeform;where
1716011;1505871615;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716003 << only if willing to strain the meaning of 'will handle' until is screams
1716012;1505871615;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 01:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715929 << and yet nano can handle tb. it'll take a while to bring it up, but it will. insertions np, seek-next back and forth np, whole line deletions etc.
1716013;1505871840;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716005 << manually driven pointerolade is exactly the proverbial 'bus with four steering wheels'
1716014;1505871840;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 01:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715948 << i suspect that was the original idea of pointers. "you want to insert X between A and B in AB memory ? NO PROBLEM! make A point to X instead of B and X to B itself AND IT IS DONE! MAGICALLY!"
1716015;1505872022;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1715990 << on second thought, this is prominently not true in... FUCKGOATS ( just as every other rs232 device, it must be connected to a machine that knows what to do with 8bit byte and NEVER pads it to any other size with nulls or otherwise )
1716016;1505872022;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 01:19 asciilifeform avoids baking 8bitism into his creations, when possible -- and sane langs make it possible
1716017;1505872095;asciilifeform;8bitism is pretty thoroughly baked into various iron.
1716018;1505872187;asciilifeform;( e.g., you can buy ram that's 1 bit wide, or 4, or in multiples of 8 or (very expensively) of 9, but afaik no other size. and multitude of other devices, e.g. anything that runs on spi, expect 8bitism )
1716019;1505872226;asciilifeform;sadly 8bitism is aaaalmost as thoroughly entrenched as binarism.
1716020;1505872259;*;asciilifeform blows dust off 1st ed. k&r , the one with the arch bitnesses tables
1716021;1505872628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform happycoin.club/fiatnyie-uchrezhdeniya-v-virtualnyih-mirah/ bitminer.in.ua/фиатные-учреждения-в-виртуальных- and assorted other such.
1716022;1505872672;asciilifeform;reads like machine trans
1716023;1505872687;mircea_popescu;and i'll point out that while Попескy is acceptable, Мирчи is pretty far from the original.
1716024;1505872696;asciilifeform;it's rubbish
1716025;1505872722;asciilifeform;google trans or similar with a small bit of manual delousing (or perhaps not even)
1716026;1505872745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, you were the one with "errythang exists in russian" kick no ? :D
1716027;1505872757;asciilifeform;in this sense 'everything exists' in elvish.
1716028;1505872885;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform found that 1) knuthian division can be sped up by ANOTHER factor of 2, by walking the bits of the quotient instead of shifting'em   2) barrett reduction in constant time is almost certainly possible
1716029;1505872887;mircea_popescu;and now thatthe log is done, i shall dedicate myself to the other enjoyable literate passtime -- the reading of old trilema articles.
1716030;1505872889;mircea_popescu;!!up Cruxflare
1716031;1505872890;deedbot;Cruxflare voiced for 30 minutes.
1716032;1505872898;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat
1716033;1505875641;mircea_popescu;soo, given the "cultured milk" yoghurt bs these days, i wonder what % of us population's entire exposure to that concept is in that context, and as a result has come to believe "cultured" means you know, you've had some germs injected or something.
1716034;1505875654;mircea_popescu;after all, you're not supposed to look anything up, just guess "what it could mean" "in context".
1716035;1505876904;BingoBoingo;"Man, that site is weird. There's lots of stories that have the word "pantsuits" in them but the site purports to be about bitcoin."
1716036;1505877557;ben_vulpes;don't you know, BingoBoingo, tmsr~ is 95% shannonizer by linecount
1716037;1505877919;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: That called De Fence
1716038;1505878668;mircea_popescu;lolwut.
1716039;1505878776;mircea_popescu;since when trilema "purports" ?
1716040;1505878860;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: About Qntra
1716041;1505878883;mircea_popescu;ah
1716042;1505878890;mircea_popescu;hm. siiince... when qntra purports ?
1716043;1505878923;BingoBoingo;Apparently since https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/716tmr/its_been_nearly_a_week_since_seattles_mayor_quit/dn8rarr/
1716044;1505878954;mircea_popescu;oh well. if it was on reddit...
1716045;1505879028;BingoBoingo;"that's barely English, and the only reason "pantsuit" is in there is because of a high correlation with "liberal" thanks to HRC."
1716046;1505879067;mircea_popescu;what's a hrc ? teh pantsuited hilarity ?
1716047;1505879083;BingoBoingo;Completely neglecting the whole point of... A couple catholics burried their bishops in little boys and news pushes it decades later
1716048;1505879090;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA, yeah.
1716049;1505879101;mircea_popescu;gotta love how teh jews are still out there, acting as if there's more substance to this supposed "liberal" thing than said hilarity.
1716050;1505879131;BingoBoingo;HRC is how they say "Hillary Clinton" in places they don't want google to associate with Hilary Clinton
1716051;1505879155;mircea_popescu;lol
1716052;1505879162;mircea_popescu;o wait, are they "protecting their candidate" ?
1716053;1505879193;BingoBoingo;So it seems. This is just speculation based on observed behavior
1716054;1505879207;mircea_popescu;it's basic, good thinking such as this that saves elections, i'll have you know. goood thing hilarity still has a chance!
1716055;1505879273;BingoBoingo;Right, Just like that 83rd trimester abortion can get the girl's modesty back
1716056;1505879304;mircea_popescu;hey, she didn't (((REALLY))) lose if they don't admit she has!
1716057;1505879316;BingoBoingo;lol
1716058;1505879332;mircea_popescu;that's how you know they're not (((REALLY))) barristas, either. they don't admit to it, right ? so it's not true.
1716059;1505879337;BingoBoingo;But Trump spoke to the UN so now he won per the rest of the world nao too
1716060;1505879370;mircea_popescu;sometimes i can't help but think if you didn't have me around to provide grounding you'd end up drifting away into some cult or something BingoBoingo.
1716061;1505879401;mircea_popescu;would you like to buy a house together ?
1716062;1505879469;mircea_popescu;i have this friend (ie, chick that was dating hotter guys than me in highschool and never sat with me in cafeteria) that's (((being))) a real estate agent except she's not closed on anything since 2015. it'd REALLY make my day if I could introduce her to some beta trading in their govt issued paycheck for a govt issued house certificate.
1716063;1505879581;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously. I could drift away into another cult again!
1716064;1505879648;mircea_popescu;the enjoyable aspect of these empty hollow shells of nothing PURPORTING to be "liberals" or "consumers" or whatever the fuck it is they're purporting to be is that it takes literally 0 effort to parody them into the ground.
1716065;1505879657;mircea_popescu;it's not even lolcows, more like lol-artesians.
1716066;1505879665;BingoBoingo;Loltisinal!
1716067;1505879674;mircea_popescu;for reals.
1716068;1505879811;BingoBoingo;Anyway, that was all a fucking setup. Look at the real link aggregation site: https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2140102
1716069;1505879859;BingoBoingo;The upvoats don't lie. Reddit's been eclipsed hard by the conspirator community
1716070;1505879882;mircea_popescu;i don't think you're allowed to use votes that way.
1716071;1505879887;mircea_popescu;i mean... is that even legal ?!
1716072;1505879903;BingoBoingo;Well, even the top comment is better: "“But why would you want to offend this poor, oppressed pedosexual, you bigot? You’re just pedophobic!” – jewish media"
1716073;1505879935;mircea_popescu;who's who ?
1716074;1505880095;BingoBoingo;The Seattle mayor is the pedosexual
1716075;1505880106;BingoBoingo;The jew media is the jew media
1716076;1505880150;BingoBoingo;and the discussion is over the same qntra piece, submitted to the alt-Reddit with the same title to samely title /conspiracy
1716077;1505880183;mircea_popescu;oh i c
1716078;1505880237;BingoBoingo;Twas an experiment
1716079;1505880287;mircea_popescu;so basically reddit sucks at everything, including its purported purpose in life ?
1716080;1505880293;mircea_popescu;i suck at being surprised.
1716081;1505880316;BingoBoingo;lol, yes
1716082;1505880721;BingoBoingo;http://archive.is/N0GwT
1716083;1505880760;BingoBoingo;Fat bob killed fat bob
1716084;1505880991;BingoBoingo;Don't be a murderer, Don't be fat bob
1716085;1505881166;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716033 << 50/50 between that and people thinking germ injection is fancy
1716086;1505881166;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 02:47 mircea_popescu: soo, given the "cultured milk" yoghurt bs these days, i wonder what % of us population's entire exposure to that concept is in that context, and as a result has come to believe "cultured" means you know, you've had some germs injected or something.
1716087;1505883447;ben_vulpes;"i'm cultured, i had a stool transplant!"
1716088;1505885663;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-14#205675 << i have a line open to "UESTC" in chengdu, i'll keep y'all in the loop
1716089;1505885663;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2017-09-14 23:59 mircea_popescu: nope.
1716090;1505886757;mircea_popescu;what\s an uestc
1716091;1505890584;BingoBoingo;lol, a "part of evolution": https://archive.is/jP8gb
1716092;1505891981;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/09/19/controversy-over-paper-favor-colonialism-sparks-calls-retraction
1716093;1505892038;BingoBoingo;“Anticolonialism ravaged countries as nationalist elites mobilized illiterate populations with appeals to destroy the market economies, pluralistic and constitutional polities, and rational policy processes of European colonizers.”
1716094;1505896905;phf;lobbesbotapocalypse
1716095;1505897759;mircea_popescu;damn.
1716096;1505897835;mircea_popescu;lobbes srsly now...
1716097;1505897908;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo check out the libertards stealing the having stolen !
1716098;1505897952;mircea_popescu;yes "anticolonialism" was bullshit, but not because it destroyed a supposed rational approach of the colonisers. it was bullshit because it exactly mirrored "civil rights" at home, ie was driven by INTERnationalistic, socialist elite-wannabes.
1716099;1505898902;shinohai;!~later tell lobbes You're gonna hafta to tell me the story of this one over a beer one day. [~]D
1716100;1505898902;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "~" is not a valid command.
1716101;1505898919;shinohai;O.o
1716102;1505899181;phf;bots are rebelling
1716103;1505899190;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1716104;1505899198;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3938.0, vol: 12310.83273439 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3940.9, vol: 39054.57980368 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3810.105, vol: 1136.08650000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3944.0, vol: 6641.65517819 | Volume-weighted last average: 3938.13202592
1716105;1505899212;mircea_popescu;the singularitits!
1716106;1505899223;shinohai;It must be phf .... same exact command worked in my private chan xD
1716107;1505917422;mod6;mornin'
1716108;1505921918;ben_vulpes;!~later tell mircea_popescu "university of electronic science and technology of china"
1716109;1505921919;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
1716110;1505924704;asciilifeform;in other noose, ACHTUNG, panzers, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BAjEK/?raw=true << 27.2 sec (4096b modexp)
1716111;1505924778;asciilifeform;^ no barrett yet. and there is still room for polish in barrettless variant, there is still a great deal of avoidable shifting and subtraction of guaranteed-empty words in FZ_Mod ( exercise for alert reader, to see where ! )
1716112;1505924835;asciilifeform;alert reader will also notice that FZ_Mod is now ok with half-width divisors, eliminating the copying in FZ_Mod_Mul and FZ_Mod_Square .
1716113;1505924860;asciilifeform;all of this - naturally - remains properly constantspacetime and unrollable.
1716114;1505924872;*;mod6 looks
1716115;1505924969;asciilifeform;ultimately it would make sense to use barrett reduction but currently i am not satisfied with the proof that it converges ( for some reason, every statement of this proof that i could find, seems to exclude reduction by powers of 2, and i do not yet understand why )
1716116;1505925037;asciilifeform;with barrett, modexp should go back to below-1sec @ 4096b .
1716117;1505925054;asciilifeform;but i will need an ironclad proof that it worx for ALL possible inputs.
1716118;1505925092;asciilifeform;( the 'corrector' at the end of barrett will have to go through a mux, and fire a fixed # of times, and gotta prove that this-many and no-greater suffices. )
1716119;1505925308;asciilifeform;barrett reduction >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/barrett_1986.pdf << 1333337 w4r3z . yes, pdf, it's the original 1986 article, scan.
1716120;1505925342;asciilifeform;i ain't linking to pediwikian bowdlerizations , and there is no other source afaik .
1716121;1505925862;asciilifeform;( hint re FZ_Mod : notice that the first Bitness shift-lefts are really single-word; and same is true of the subtraction, and of the mux; the next Bitness ditto and ditto -- are really 2-word ops; and so on. )
1716122;1505926039;asciilifeform;it isn't actually necessary to touch the entire R for the first Bitness*(RemainderWordness-1) (on 64-bit box, and for the 4096b example, that's 64*63 == 4032 ) shots of the inner loop !
1716123;1505926135;asciilifeform;there are a total of Bitness * DividendWordness cycles , in this example 64*128 == 8192
1716124;1505926177;asciilifeform;( ...handwaves!1!11!... ) this sums to a potential 25% saving of clock , if finessed.
1716125;1505926191;asciilifeform;( why not 50%? exercise ! )
1716126;1505934303;asciilifeform;bonus lul: https://archive.is/tK1o1 << list of public catastrophic bugs in bigint libs . bonus-2 : compiled by the perpetrators of mit's attempt at faux-ffa ( won't link separately, it's a megalith of mechanical 'proof' crapolade )
1716127;1505934521;asciilifeform;!!up TomServo
1716128;1505934522;deedbot;TomServo voiced for 30 minutes.
1716129;1505934584;TomServo;Ahoy, just wanted to pass this along: https://keccak.team/2017/not_arx.html
1716130;1505934593;TomServo;archive.is seems to be struggling with it.
1716131;1505934634;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/s0ZSW/?raw=true << plain txt
1716132;1505934979;asciilifeform;TomServo: there is no scientific basis for the strength of ANY published hash algo whatsoever.
1716133;1505935010;TomServo;asciilifeform: I recall you mentioning this.
1716134;1505935012;asciilifeform;( plenty of known basis for ~weaknesses~ of various . the absence of which, in any particular case, has NO bearing on above. )
1716135;1505935084;asciilifeform;and imho there is a serious problem with 'not ARX' in linked piece : omitting additions makes the hash ~considerably~ nsa-friendlier : it is easier to implement xor/and/not/shift on, e.g., optical computer, when you don't need addition (and ergo carries)
1716136;1505935167;ben_vulpes;and as the keccacteams mention, little incentive for cryptoacademia to formalize how ARXceteras might fall over. hard work with little guarantee of payout apparently terrible strategy in a world of publishorperish + everyone pretends to ignore that none of the academics ever bothered to do the hard work of an actual ffa, preferring instead cheap outs like leaky tables
1716137;1505935173;mircea_popescu;while the carry property of addition is cryptographically valuable, it'd be better to use a general transform with bit coda instead.
1716138;1505935185;asciilifeform;depends 'better' for whom.
1716139;1505935221;mircea_popescu;consider something like mp's generalized addition : the sum of two numbers flips a bit if and only if one of them is prime.
1716140;1505935229;mircea_popescu;there's a whole class of generalizations that can be done in this same vein.
1716141;1505935246;mircea_popescu;addition is "and you flip a bit if and only if the digits overflow the mod", but this is historical accident.
1716142;1505935327;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anything involving 'isprime()' during everyday life is either a table lookup (leaks!) or miller-rabin (slow as fuck, temptation to cut iterations and introduce eggog)
1716143;1505935348;mircea_popescu;anyway, since examples work best : 763 mp+ 229 => 3 + 9 = 12 ie 2, 6 + 2 = 8 + 1 carry, 7 + 2 = 9 + 1 carry = 0 so finally = 82
1716144;1505935353;asciilifeform;and incidentally i dun have a nonleaking miller-rabin yet, need nonleaking gcd ( have on paper, but not in ffa yet )
1716145;1505935361;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform per digit tho
1716146;1505935366;asciilifeform;then it'll be a table
1716147;1505935379;mircea_popescu;just illustrating the concept.
1716148;1505935418;asciilifeform;i'd prefer a macroscale numbertheoretical hash, even one that explicitly stands on strength of, e.g., rsa, to the currently extant soup.
1716149;1505935466;mircea_popescu;i was not proceding towards a purpose! but it is worth pointing out that the addition understood in terms of "sum+bit diddle" can readily be extended ; and probably should be.
1716150;1505935547;lobbes;fuck. I apologize for lobbesbot's join/part spam lately. no idea wtf is happening. taking him out of chan for time-being...
1716151;1505935567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lookx to me like your addition dun commute ( or associate... )
1716152;1505935574;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed not.
1716153;1505935593;asciilifeform;does it even work in a ring
1716154;1505935606;mircea_popescu;um. it does commute, 763 mp+ 229 = 229 mp+ 763 = 82.
1716155;1505935609;mircea_popescu;association it does not tho.
1716156;1505935618;asciilifeform;commutes yea
1716157;1505935629;mircea_popescu;and the whole point was to break out of ring.
1716158;1505935644;asciilifeform;there's usefulbreak and gutsalloverthefloor break
1716159;1505935653;mircea_popescu;useful for whom ?
1716160;1505935655;asciilifeform;i won't say yet which it is
1716161;1505935661;mircea_popescu;right.
1716162;1505935710;mircea_popescu;i also fucked it up because 9 is not prime so it should have carried the 1
1716163;1505935713;asciilifeform;incidentally iirc we did the proof of 'if there is a good hash, there is a good blockcipher, and vice-versa'
1716164;1505935714;mircea_popescu;let's do this fucking properly.
1716165;1505935754;mircea_popescu;763 mp+ 229 => 3 + 9 = 2 + 1 carry.  6 + 2 = 8 (+1 carry = 9) + 1 carry, 7 + 2 = 9 + 1 carry = 0 so finally = 92
1716166;1505935756;asciilifeform;( where 'good' is 'proof of difficulty of randomly-generated case is possible' )
1716167;1505935794;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i seem to unspecifically recall this
1716168;1505935816;asciilifeform;it's a triviality: if you have 1 , you can make the other out of it with ~no effort
1716169;1505935866;shinohai;lobbes: There are like 30 instances of it over in #eulora
1716170;1505935888;mircea_popescu;o god yeah.
1716171;1505936046;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716136 << the truth of the matter is that no fiat pretend sovereign CAN AFFORD to do such work. because they are poor. it's like asking why easter islandians didn't build pyramids.
1716172;1505936046;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 19:19 ben_vulpes: and as the keccacteams mention, little incentive for cryptoacademia to formalize how ARXceteras might fall over. hard work with little guarantee of payout apparently terrible strategy in a world of publishorperish + everyone pretends to ignore that none of the academics ever bothered to do the hard work of an actual ffa, preferring instead cheap outs like leaky tables
1716173;1505936051;mircea_popescu;wtf out of, tree trunks ?
1716174;1505936121;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 << oblig
1716175;1505936121;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
1716176;1505936158;asciilifeform;folx with 'infinite' resources, turns out, can't afford some very basic things.
1716177;1505936161;mircea_popescu;anyway, the above example of "alt-addition" is mostly based on the happenstance that in base 10, the set of digits that are also prime is {1,2, 3, 5, 7} and the set of digits that are not prime is {0, 4, 6, 8, 9} ie it just so happens to be a perfectly balanced split.
1716178;1505936196;mircea_popescu;in other bases that don't so even split, this is not crypto-valuable because you would get induced lean.
1716179;1505936227;asciilifeform;it ain't as if you're ever getting a prime from prime+prime, tho
1716180;1505936235;mircea_popescu;really ?
1716181;1505936245;asciilifeform;excluding 2
1716182;1505936246;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1+2
1716183;1505936248;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1+2 = 3
1716184;1505936264;asciilifeform;2 ain't a real prime!1111!wasjustputtherebythegodstofuckus
1716185;1505936270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but that's the point, base 10 is superbly built wrt primeness.
1716186;1505936418;mircea_popescu;and in other ways and means, i just bought a pile of primo cigars, presidents and romeo y juliets and whatnot at this... cathouse, basically.
1716187;1505936650;asciilifeform;hilariously, asciilifeform has a 'romeo&juliet' cigar tube from 1970s
1716188;1505936677;asciilifeform;inherited from grandfather's 'weird shit from foreign lands' box
1716189;1505936732;mircea_popescu;ha!
1716190;1505936735;asciilifeform;20 yrs ago it still had the smell. ( not today )
1716191;1505936736;mircea_popescu;they're pretty good.
1716192;1505936757;mircea_popescu;but yeah, should be smoked within the same decade they're rolled. tobacco dun exactly age in this extended sense
1716193;1505936782;asciilifeform;oh it was empty tube
1716194;1505936786;mircea_popescu;oh
1716195;1505936792;mircea_popescu;lel. good for granpa then.
1716196;1505936797;asciilifeform;but if thing tasted as good as the tube smelled!
1716197;1505936799;*;asciilifeform believes
1716198;1505936804;mircea_popescu;i suppose tube makes ok trainer dildo for 16yo debutante
1716199;1505936811;mircea_popescu;"my first anal stretch"
1716200;1505936812;asciilifeform;yea it is EXACTLY that shape
1716201;1505936819;mircea_popescu;nooo ?
1716202;1505936832;asciilifeform;aluminum thing
1716203;1505936835;phf;asciilifeform: fyi they sell them within i suspect no more than half hour from you
1716204;1505936858;mircea_popescu;they're not expensive either, two for a benjie or somesuch
1716205;1505936924;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought there were no ( at least Officially ) cuban cigars in usa
1716206;1505936939;mircea_popescu;didn't obama win the cigar nobel prize ?
1716207;1505936943;asciilifeform;( famously, kennedy bought entire railroad car right before signing the ban )
1716208;1505936969;mircea_popescu;btw, i take it everyone has played knight's bounty ? as the crowning accomplishment of those eastern orc lands ?
1716209;1505937006;*;asciilifeform has not
1716210;1505937015;mircea_popescu;nfw ?!
1716211;1505937052;phf;i suspect it postdates asciilifeform's gaming years
1716212;1505937056;asciilifeform;it does
1716213;1505937061;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's brother played it tho.
1716214;1505937074;asciilifeform;so i know of it.
1716215;1505937077;mircea_popescu;i thought he was older
1716216;1505937084;asciilifeform;he is.
1716217;1505937090;asciilifeform;but he dun have as many theorems.
1716218;1505937159;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716165 <-- I r confused. if 3 + 9 = 2 (+1 carry, because of primality of 3), then isn't the result 93?
1716219;1505937159;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 19:29 mircea_popescu: 763 mp+ 229 => 3 + 9 = 2 + 1 carry.  6 + 2 = 8 (+1 carry = 9) + 1 carry, 7 + 2 = 9 + 1 carry = 0 so finally = 92
1716220;1505937171;mircea_popescu;spyked see lower down
1716221;1505937181;mircea_popescu;o wait. why would it be 3 when 3 + 9 = 2 ?
1716222;1505937271;*;spyked rereads the definition of mp prime-addition
1716223;1505937284;mircea_popescu;in no case would the carry alter the current decimal level.
1716224;1505937376;spyked;oh. confusion is resolved then
1716225;1505937439;spyked;will have to work out a few more examples on paper.
1716226;1505937468;mircea_popescu;can come up with a few mp-extended additions of your own, and for that money even formulate a general theory of addition extension in this sense,
1716227;1505937474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've been thinking about sending ffa , when finished, as an article into the saecular derps' 'cryptology journals', strictly for the lulz of getting their reject barf , and then posting, a la al schwartz
1716228;1505937490;mircea_popescu;with the perhaps eventual result of actually producing a well grounded numeric-theoretic notion of what alf wanted, ie a fucking hash already
1716229;1505937498;mircea_popescu;that's not made out of flour and spit like it's fucking africa.
1716230;1505937501;asciilifeform;will be interesting if any reply, considering how the thing obsoletes half the idiocy they currently print
1716231;1505937516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this works splendidly for blog article imo
1716232;1505937530;asciilifeform;well naturally whole thing is to be an article.
1716233;1505937558;asciilifeform;( really a lengthy .txt , but can be formatted however wanted )
1716234;1505937781;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716177 <-- why 1? don't want to start a debate on that. dunno if debate was ever settled by mathematicians, but I learned in school that primes are strictly > 1
1716235;1505937781;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 19:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, the above example of "alt-addition" is mostly based on the happenstance that in base 10, the set of digits that are also prime is {1,2, 3, 5, 7} and the set of digits that are not prime is {0, 4, 6, 8, 9} ie it just so happens to be a perfectly balanced split.
1716236;1505937816;mircea_popescu;spyked "a prime number is one which is divisible by only itself and the meter".
1716237;1505937822;mircea_popescu;1 fits this, 0 does not.
1716238;1505938464;spyked;mircea_popescu, yeha, but maths ppl I read/talked to "by convenience" define prime as "a number greater than 1 which is divisible ..." the reason escapes me. and as usual, online sources are shit.
1716239;1505939087;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if 1 gets to be a prime, you then throw out the conventional def of prime, because now you have a prime that divides other primes unequal to itself
1716240;1505939096;asciilifeform;and this is only the beginning of the ugh
1716241;1505939116;mircea_popescu;that's a subsidiary and unimportant property.
1716242;1505939130;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1716243;1505939149;mircea_popescu;the definition of prime is as quoted, what more is needed here ? 1 is divisible by only itself and the unit [of measure].
1716244;1505939234;asciilifeform;how about the 'every int has unique prime factorization' item ?
1716245;1505939255;mircea_popescu;it does. "unit terms are ignored"
1716246;1505939264;asciilifeform;why not ignore by '1 ain't a prime', lol
1716247;1505939273;mircea_popescu;because you gotta add the spit-fix at the right juncture.
1716248;1505939287;asciilifeform;wtf is even the point of talking about primes if you ALWAYS gotta say 'but not 1'
1716249;1505939293;mircea_popescu;hey.
1716250;1505939299;mircea_popescu;your convenience is not my concern.
1716251;1505939347;asciilifeform;go ahead an' bolt whatever you like to ~your~ kalash, hey.
1716252;1505939357;asciilifeform;just don't be surprised when nobody else wants to.
1716253;1505939357;mircea_popescu;alrighty then!!1
1716254;1505939396;mircea_popescu;so far i'd be surprised if anyone seriouslty didn't want to ; the argument as presented seems sufficiently overabundant!
1716255;1505939886;spyked;lulz!
1716256;1505939949;mircea_popescu;heck, for the same money also exclude 2, and perhaps 3 because son of numbers previously hit by bill of numeric attainder.
1716257;1505939959;mircea_popescu;"primes gotta have two digits"
1716258;1505940935;lobbes;in other news, lobbesbotpocalypse is over. full details here: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-20.log.html#t20:06:34
1716259;1505940939;lobbes;I assume IP had to be banned. I'll leave it up to the court whether or not to unban. bot's only function here was quoting logs.minigame.bz anyhow
1716260;1505940961;mircea_popescu;lobbes didja give the code a once over for the purpose of not ending up with this again ?
1716261;1505941028;lobbes;I'm gonna look into shinohai's suggestion of checking the PID rather than grepping for name. Let's just leave it in #eulora for now and I'll get back once I dig deeper later tonight/this week
1716262;1505941044;mircea_popescu;kk
1716263;1505941053;lobbes;for the meantime, auctions will work over there an' such
1716264;1505941060;mircea_popescu;aite.
1716265;1505941073;trinque;eh lobbes that sounds really damned hairy.
1716266;1505941078;lobbes;yeah
1716267;1505941080;trinque;look into "runit"
1716268;1505941090;trinque;grepping for logs to restart is nuts
1716269;1505941098;mircea_popescu;runit pretty much looks by pid neh ?
1716270;1505941136;trinque;no, it has a supervisor process that spawns your thing, monitors state, respawns if dead
1716271;1505941151;trinque;and it's the lightest weight item that does so, that I've found
1716272;1505941153;mircea_popescu;but "monitors state" by pid
1716273;1505941209;trinque;sure, it knows the PID of its own child process
1716274;1505941234;mircea_popescu;does it do moar monitoring than "is PID so and so still there" ?
1716275;1505941644;trinque;nah, but gives you a logging facility and choice of what happens when child process is gone
1716276;1505941665;trinque;which can be other than "thrash-loop until operator notices"
1716277;1505941739;trinque;http://smarden.org/runit/runsv.8.html << stuff the supervisor does
1716278;1505941750;*;lobbes reads
1716279;1505941821;trinque;and sure, could bash script a loop that does exactly what you want, and then bash script your next service too. people do that. and then they generalize out the utils, and have a process manager of their own.
1716280;1505941920;asciilifeform;hey trinque didja ever have time and write that piece re 'sane http replacement' ?
1716281;1505941928;asciilifeform;from thread some month ago
1716282;1505941930;trinque;it's on teh stack
1716283;1505941932;asciilifeform;aite
1716284;1505942003;trinque;been cranking on being able to cut transactions on an airgap machine with only trb+deps
1716285;1505942021;asciilifeform;!!up apeloyee
1716286;1505942022;deedbot;apeloyee voiced for 30 minutes.
1716287;1505942028;asciilifeform;trinque: neato
1716288;1505942061;lobbes;re this monitoring thing: seems like the key either way is to have a parent process that spawns the child process, rather than a disconnected process monitoring whatever
1716289;1505942104;mircea_popescu;trinque no argument
1716290;1505942154;mircea_popescu;lobbes yes, that'd be an improvement conceptually/
1716291;1505942158;asciilifeform;apeloyee: ...hello?
1716292;1505942181;*;trinque doesn't oppose a guy hand-carving his own thing at all, either.
1716293;1505942202;apeloyee;asciilifeform: how about a "pediwikian bowdlerization of barrett" after all (don't truncate multiply results)? This would be simpler (but slower)
1716294;1505942209;trinque;anyhow got payments bot to ship, which while running long is forcing me to develop sane processes around airgapped trb use
1716295;1505942215;asciilifeform;apeloyee: please elaborate
1716296;1505942231;trinque;then got the houston flood piece and hypertext-dht piece to write
1716297;1505942254;mircea_popescu;trinque you ever saw "la zizanie", possibly de funes' best piece ?
1716298;1505942258;asciilifeform;apeloyee: my principal problem with barrett is that i don't have a proof that it works with 3 or fewer corrective-subtractions for ALL possible a,b,m in a*b mod m
1716299;1505942265;asciilifeform;of given bitness
1716300;1505942304;trinque;mircea_popescu: haven't
1716301;1505942307;apeloyee;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Eu9Fd/?raw=true
1716302;1505942347;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : guy is practically a gremlin, dedicated and ~meaningfully so~ industrialist, married to a credible "woman's job" a la francaise. they end up quarreling domestically when he destroys her greenhouse to extend his factory ; she runs for mayor against him (he used to own unopposed). his platform is "en premier place, le plein emploi ; en seconde, le plein emploi ; e finalment : LE PLEN EMPLOI!"
1716303;1505942361;asciilifeform;ty apeloyee , i will read .
1716304;1505942362;mircea_popescu;ie, his whole platform is "full employment".
1716305;1505942369;mircea_popescu;teh republic built the man's dream!
1716306;1505942454;trinque;heh, I will be sure to push that one onto the appropriate stack
1716307;1505942478;trinque;republic's got all sorts of highly enjoyable work.
1716308;1505942480;mircea_popescu;really great flick to watch with girl ; motivate her to learn french.
1716309;1505942497;trinque;got one that speaks it, actually
1716310;1505942504;trinque;so she can tutor me with it
1716311;1505942505;mircea_popescu;then must do
1716312;1505942701;apeloyee;asciilifeform: is it intended that ffa doesn't have a shift that doesn't  leak the upper bits of shift amount (via access pattern)?
1716313;1505942721;asciilifeform;apeloyee: shift amounts are not secret
1716314;1505942726;asciilifeform;in any ffa routine
1716315;1505942741;asciilifeform;they depend strictly on which op ( which is not secret ) and the ffawidth ( also not secret )
1716316;1505942748;apeloyee;so far yes. have you given up on newton-raphson?
1716317;1505942794;asciilifeform;apeloyee: yes because for guarantee of convergence you need MASSIVE ( afaik, at least 4x the ffawidth ) bitness
1716318;1505942853;asciilifeform;apeloyee: what do you see as its advantage, vs barrett ?
1716319;1505942866;asciilifeform;because as far as i can see, it has all of the same problems, but more so
1716320;1505942879;apeloyee;you  gotta compute the reciprocal for barrett's somehow.
1716321;1505942888;asciilifeform;that's an ordinary knuthian div
1716322;1505942895;asciilifeform;and it happens once per program boot
1716323;1505942899;asciilifeform;( when ffa width is determined )
1716324;1505942907;apeloyee;per modulus?
1716325;1505942921;asciilifeform;ah yeah per modulus
1716326;1505942931;asciilifeform;still 1 knuthian div, vs the 8192 i have now (in the example)
1716327;1505943013;asciilifeform;the cost of 1 knuthian div is negligible
1716328;1505943066;apeloyee;true, but I thought you wanted a universally-fast reduction?
1716329;1505943068;asciilifeform;( and when we do rsa, can store the reciprocal in the key, there's no particular reason to compute it every time )
1716330;1505943083;apeloyee;(fast even for fresh moduli)
1716331;1505943090;asciilifeform;apeloyee: i want the fastest possible universal reduction that works in fixed spacetime and provably so
1716332;1505943116;asciilifeform;if that's barrett, it'll be barrett. if it's knuthian, will be knuthian. if newtonian -- newtonian. in no case it will be montgomery, say, or any other non-universal one.
1716333;1505943148;mircea_popescu;the stored reciprocal is actually a good idea.
1716334;1505943155;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: barrett's idea, notmine
1716335;1505943160;mircea_popescu;aha.
1716336;1505943454;asciilifeform;incidentally if apeloyee or anybody else knows how to make a 1..ffabitness shifter that doesn't leak the shift amount, on ordinary pc, plz post.
1716337;1505943468;asciilifeform;afaik this cannot be done without a physical barrel shifter of the given bitness.
1716338;1505943541;asciilifeform;apeloyee: also if you know how to newton-raphson converge without ANY normalization ANYWHERE, plz to post.
1716339;1505943561;asciilifeform;( normalization LOOKS AT SECRET BITS and therefore is forbidden anywhere in ffa for any reason )
1716340;1505943615;asciilifeform;if it can't be written down without any conditional (e.g. 'if' ) statements, and also -- for a given bitness -- unrolled into writing without ANY loops -- it is not permissible routine for ffa.
1716341;1505944221;asciilifeform;re shifter, on second thought you COULD shift bitness-1 (e.g. 4095 ) times and then mux EVERY TIME YOU SHIFT but omfg.
1716342;1505944230;asciilifeform;geological runtime.
1716343;1505944441;asciilifeform;e.g., N is a number to shift, Q is shift amt, R is result,  S = l_shift(N, 1); mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - 1)); S = l_shift(N, 1); mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - 2)); ...... mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - (width-1)))
1716344;1505944479;asciilifeform;fortunately we don't actually need any such thing in ffa. none of the algos require shifting by a seekrit bitness.
1716345;1505945018;apeloyee;asciilifeform: and if you think a little more, you'll notice that log2(bitness) shifts (by wordwidth, wordwidth*2, wordwidth*4 ... ) and muxes suffice. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hkkYj/?raw=true
1716346;1505945043;apeloyee;(assuming mux doesn't leak - who's to prevent intel from "optimizing" it?)
1716347;1505945067;apeloyee;apologies for the sad parody of pseudocode.
1716348;1505945258;asciilifeform;apeloyee: i'd be curious to hear how intel will 'optimize' xor.
1716349;1505945280;asciilifeform;and holy fuck you are COUNTING ZEROES
1716350;1505945295;apeloyee;why not?
1716351;1505945301;asciilifeform;what part of 'can't branch on bits' was hard to understand ?
1716352;1505945307;apeloyee;it doesn't.
1716353;1505945313;*;asciilifeform reads again
1716354;1505945356;mircea_popescu;this is pretty entertaining.
1716355;1505945361;asciilifeform;this worx. but seems to reduce to a more complicated and non-unrolled version of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716343
1716356;1505945361;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 21:54 asciilifeform: e.g., N is a number to shift, Q is shift amt, R is result,  S = l_shift(N, 1); mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - 1)); S = l_shift(N, 1); mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - 2)); ...... mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - (width-1)))
1716357;1505945368;mircea_popescu;!!rated apeloyee
1716358;1505945368;deedbot;mircea_popescu has not rated apeloyee.
1716359;1505945378;mircea_popescu;!!rate apeloyee 1 Makes alf re-read.
1716360;1505945379;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LNTYv/?raw=true
1716361;1505945381;asciilifeform;!!rated apeloyee
1716362;1505945382;deedbot;asciilifeform rated apeloyee 1 at 2017/09/13 18:25:08 << barrett reductionist
1716363;1505945387;asciilifeform;lol
1716364;1505945400;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's good for you!
1716365;1505945408;mircea_popescu;!!v E230A120EE824FE2D91331DA63D521238DC7DC2A1A66DEAB89CEE881798ABA92
1716366;1505945408;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated apeloyee 1 << Makes alf re-read.
1716367;1505945454;apeloyee;asciilifeform: the paste contains TWO procedures: CLZ and secret shift. together they solve the normalization problem
1716368;1505945461;apeloyee;but they are separate things
1716369;1505945490;asciilifeform;i can say immediately that if you 'secret shift' every time you want to modulus, you will take at least same number of steps as knuthian division.
1716370;1505945509;asciilifeform;( which likewise shifts for the entire bitness, every time )
1716371;1505945518;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716355 << yours is O(bitness), mine is O(log(bitness))
1716372;1505945518;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 22:09 asciilifeform: this worx. but seems to reduce to a more complicated and non-unrolled version of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716343
1716373;1505945527;apeloyee;shift i mean
1716374;1505945546;apeloyee;CLZ is of course O(N)
1716375;1505945555;asciilifeform;mine will also be log(bitness) if you shift(N, 1) , ... 2, ... 4 and mux appropriately, lol
1716376;1505945561;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he squeezed a little juice out of the rock, check him out.
1716377;1505945576;asciilifeform;aha massive points for effort
1716378;1505945691;asciilifeform;this is still massively moar complicated than barrett
1716379;1505945707;asciilifeform;even if you could newtoniate constantspacetimefully with it
1716380;1505945727;asciilifeform;now you gotta normalize, denormalize, and proof that it cannot under any conceivable circumstance fail or take variant time
1716381;1505945733;asciilifeform;*prove
1716382;1505945775;asciilifeform;apeloyee: try and rewrite without the 'while' loop
1716383;1505946264;*;asciilifeform brb, meat
1716384;1505946403;*;BingoBoingo wonder what part of Chicom death knell is responsible for these fucking slow blocks
1716385;1505946903;apeloyee;asciilifeform: which while loop? in CLZ or secretshift?
1716386;1505947080;shinohai;!!up mafeketty
1716387;1505947081;deedbot;mafeketty voiced for 30 minutes.
1716388;1505947113;shinohai;mircea_popescu: are you available for
1716389;1505947121;shinohai;!~tits
1716390;1505947122;jhvh1;( . Y . ) http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ( . Y . )
1716391;1505947124;shinohai;?
1716392;1505947794;apeloyee;I don't understand how to do classical barrett without CLZ on modulus
1716393;1505947842;apeloyee;hence I posted it. plus it'd be useful for newton (if fast division is deemed necessary for some as-yet-unknown reason)
1716394;1505947989;apeloyee;while loop in secretshift does a number of iterations dependent only on ffa number width and word width, so can be unrolled if those are known
1716395;1505948112;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
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1716397;1505948326;mircea_popescu;shinohai sure.
1716398;1505948343;mircea_popescu;nice intro lol.
1716399;1505948429;shinohai;mircea_popescu: mafeketty wishes to be added to thy collection.
1716400;1505948440;mircea_popescu;mafeketty b581b0a2 plox.
1716401;1505948581;*;shinohai eagerly awaits these tits ....
1716402;1505948589;mircea_popescu;are they good tits ?
1716403;1505948729;apeloyee;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716348 << from my Intel PR dept. emulator: "New Intel (R) NSAInside Energy saver(TM) processor technology optimizes your branchless code to avoid redundant operations delivering unparalled power savings..."
1716404;1505948729;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 22:07 asciilifeform: apeloyee: i'd be curious to hear how intel will 'optimize' xor.
1716405;1505948811;shinohai;I dunno, have not seen them yet
1716406;1505948856;mircea_popescu;aite
1716407;1505948946;shinohai;!!up mafeketty
1716408;1505948946;deedbot;mafeketty voiced for 30 minutes.
1716409;1505949011;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716385 << while S1 < K
1716410;1505949011;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 22:35 apeloyee: asciilifeform: which while loop? in CLZ or secretshift?
1716411;1505949015;mafeketty;https://imgur./a/tY0I8
1716412;1505949039;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716392 << i don't see what part of barrett wants to know leadingzero count
1716413;1505949039;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 22:49 apeloyee: I don't understand how to do classical barrett without CLZ on modulus
1716414;1505949089;shinohai;mafeketty: hiciste mal es asi: https://imgur.com/a/tYOI8
1716415;1505949094;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716403 << by definition monkey business with instruction timings is ~detectable~. but the other idea is, a proper ffa is very easy to fpgaize/siliconize.
1716416;1505949094;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 23:05 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716348 << from my Intel PR dept. emulator: "New Intel (R) NSAInside Energy saver(TM) processor technology optimizes your branchless code to avoid redundant operations delivering unparalled power savings..."
1716417;1505949098;mircea_popescu;mafeketty there's nothing there.
1716418;1505949108;*;shinohai figured it out
1716419;1505949123;mafeketty;https://imgur.com/a/tY0I8
1716420;1505949127;shinohai;mafeketty: olvidaste `.com`
1716421;1505949162;shinohai;Are you trying to type these links by hand?
1716422;1505949170;apeloyee;longmod procedure in linked pdf says "2^b < m <2^(b+1)" on page 9
1716423;1505949172;mircea_popescu;a hey, there it is.
1716424;1505949177;mircea_popescu;mafeketty address ?
1716425;1505949210;mafeketty;https://imgur.com/a/tYOI8
1716426;1505949230;mircea_popescu;mafeketty yes, that part is fine. now, where do you want the bitcents sent ? what's your bitcoin address ?
1716427;1505949245;mircea_popescu;shinohai considering how bubbly she looks in her pics, she's shockingly quiet verbally huh ?
1716428;1505949308;mafeketty;preguntale shinohai mi direccion de bitcoin
1716429;1505949308;shinohai;She is typing all this shit manually .... keeps sending me messages lol
1716430;1505949319;shinohai;mircea_popescu: 136w5Goh345kTdhTUDDzh3jBUiCFHM3hTn
1716431;1505949324;mircea_popescu;well, just as long as she doesn't get dropped.
1716432;1505949337;shinohai;appears to be it. I told her you are not responsible if it goes to bad addy
1716433;1505949337;mircea_popescu;mafeketty is that right ? 136w5Goh345kTdhTUDDzh3jBUiCFHM3hTn esta correcto ?
1716434;1505949347;mircea_popescu;shinohai how would you know ?
1716435;1505949369;shinohai;I have a pic of her wallet! lol
1716436;1505949371;shinohai;xd
1716437;1505949383;mircea_popescu;lol
1716438;1505949395;mircea_popescu;mafeketty yo hablo espanol tambien, no se verguenzosa.
1716439;1505949409;mafeketty;si mircea_popescu
1716440;1505949412;shinohai;Mandame fotos de tu llaves privados, por favor
1716441;1505949420;mircea_popescu;ahaha shut up
1716442;1505949464;mircea_popescu;mafeketty ok, te los mando. tarde un poco pero los va tener hoy.
1716443;1505949498;mafeketty;gracias
1716444;1505949509;mafeketty;muchas gracias amor
1716445;1505949534;shinohai;This has to be one of the most entertaining times I have ever translated en private.
1716446;1505949544;mircea_popescu;lol whyssat ?
1716447;1505949580;shinohai;First she sent me an email, saying one of her friends did this, and thought it was a scam.
1716448;1505949592;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1716449;1505949596;shinohai;Then I spent 15 minutes teaching her how to use irc
1716450;1505949610;shinohai;and also assuring her it wasnt a scam
1716451;1505949625;mircea_popescu;aha
1716452;1505949643;shinohai;"Well I see a lot of chicas ispanas there, so it must be legit" (translation mine)
1716453;1505949646;mircea_popescu;i imagine it must be pretty confusing, this brave new world.
1716454;1505949670;mircea_popescu;yeah, no chinese girl as of yet huh.
1716455;1505949688;shinohai;Get this, kiwi irc is blocked in her section of the country
1716456;1505949695;mircea_popescu;eh ?!
1716457;1505949697;mircea_popescu;what country is this
1716458;1505949719;shinohai;Colombia ... one of my other contacts gave her my email
1716459;1505949733;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing further cloudflare shenanigans ?
1716460;1505949762;shinohai;Likely ... when I sent her to plain web.freenode.net it worked fine
1716461;1505949778;shinohai;Guess I need to stand my old self kiwi instance back up
1716462;1505949786;mircea_popescu;ya
1716463;1505949938;shinohai;Now the Lord Baron Titsbare, because he feels bad for some random chick in 3rd world country, has to spend the next hour or so explaining how Bitcoin works to n00b.
1716464;1505949946;shinohai;The things I do for this Republic
1716465;1505949960;mircea_popescu;kik
1716466;1505950125;shinohai;But thank you mircea_popescu ... she may yet turn out to be yet another valuable contact I have met through your programme
1716467;1505950213;mircea_popescu;lol. you ever been to colombia even ?
1716468;1505950255;asciilifeform;!~later tell apeloyee http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716422 << this is what i've been trying to figure out re barrett : can it be made to work for ARBITRARY inputs , in constant spacetime
1716469;1505950255;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 23:12 apeloyee: longmod procedure in linked pdf says "2^b < m <2^(b+1)" on page 9
1716470;1505950255;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1716471;1505950337;shinohai;On advice from our esteemed Lordship, I only went to Alfonso Bonilla airport in Cali to pick up the Baroness ...
1716472;1505950369;mircea_popescu;o hey, you actually got a local gf out of the deal ?
1716473;1505950392;shinohai;Remember?
1716474;1505950402;mircea_popescu;dude THE THINGS YOU DO FOR THE REPUBLIC!
1716475;1505950420;shinohai;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ilasxve.png
1716476;1505950425;shinohai;^ that one
1716477;1505950444;mircea_popescu;pretty girl at that
1716478;1505950457;mircea_popescu;so she's been what, live in columbian gf for a few months nao ?
1716479;1505950726;shinohai;She came after we first met here, went back, then came back abt 2 months ago
1716480;1505950731;mircea_popescu;phf i hope you're taking notes lol
1716481;1505950747;mircea_popescu;shinohai so does she work ? or is it more like domestic slavery arrangement ?
1716482;1505950781;mircea_popescu;o wait, i forgot. it is against the law in the united states for human female to work ie not be domestic slave.
1716483;1505950960;shinohai;Well, it is domestic slavery as much as she is not bound under usistan law ... only has travel visa
1716484;1505950979;ben_vulpes;wait i thought it was against the law for human female to be a domestic slave
1716485;1505951009;shinohai;Fuck the police
1716486;1505951013;ben_vulpes;labor pool must be as full of meat as possible, families kept in poverty paying for childcare
1716487;1505951050;shinohai;She had heard horror stories of life under Trumpreich and was afraid to return this last time
1716488;1505951187;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
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1716490;1505951351;shinohai;So evidently 0.02 BTC = ~215`000 COP now
1716491;1505951636;mircea_popescu;nb.
1716492;1505951644;mircea_popescu;shinohai perhaps point out to her that
1716493;1505951656;mircea_popescu;!~translate en to es "She had heard horror stories of life under Trumpreich and was afraid to return this last t"
1716494;1505951657;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Había oído historias de terror de la vida bajo Trumpreich y tenía miedo de devolver esta última
1716495;1505951711;shinohai;TErrible translation
1716496;1505951722;mircea_popescu;not so terrible is it ?
1716497;1505951775;mircea_popescu;what'd you prefer, "vida sobre la opresion de trump" ?
1716498;1505951790;shinohai;Ella habia escuchado la historia de vida bajo el Trumpreich y tenia miedo regresar
1716499;1505951815;mircea_popescu;historias!
1716500;1505951826;shinohai;oido = an actual sound
1716501;1505951836;shinohai;escuchar = gossip
1716502;1505951839;mircea_popescu;stylistically defensible!
1716503;1505951917;mod6; evenin'
1716504;1505951924;asciilifeform;ohai mod6
1716505;1505951929;shinohai;hola mod6 que hay de bueno
1716506;1505951971;mod6;:] nm.
1716507;1505951978;mod6;nice work with the tits & help thereof.
1716508;1505952012;shinohai;Well she is a bit chubby, but the titwork has been dry for a while.
1716509;1505952141;shinohai;I also publish for your amusement, the outtakes from her foto session https://imgur.com/a/WIHc1
1716510;1505952283;*;mod6 looks
1716511;1505952462;ben_vulpes;that one scar kinda looks like a t-rex
1716512;1505952554;shinohai;ben_vulpes I was just talking to her about the scars .... those things interest me.
1716513;1505952594;mircea_popescu;how'd she get them ?
1716514;1505952608;shinohai;Dice por un accidente del auto
1716515;1505952622;mircea_popescu;lotta that in central america.
1716516;1505952659;shinohai;fr .... When I was in Guatemala EVERY FUCKING DRIVER scared the shit out of me
1716517;1505952715;shinohai;Despite that, still wish I could go back
1716518;1505952792;mod6;<+shinohai> Dice por un accidente del auto << dang, looks like it hurt.
1716519;1505953060;shinohai;Were I as rich as Sr. Popescu, every night I'd pay 0.02 BTC (adjusted for inflation) to hear these magnificent stories.
1716520;1505953077;mircea_popescu;heh, recall when 0.02 seemed too low ?
1716521;1505953077;shinohai;As such, I only hear them when asked to trasludar
1716522;1505953171;shinohai;0,02 has a nice ring to it though ... 0.01 cada teta
1716523;1505953186;shinohai;BRING YOUR HALF ITS TO #trilema
1716524;1505953202;shinohai;*tits
1716525;1505953390;shinohai;I can only think that my ancestors rescued the god of jugs and were rewarded with a surfeit of tits
1716526;1505960213;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/kings-bounty-a-knights-tale/ << Trilema - King's Bounty - A Knight's Tale
1716527;1505960457;shinohai;Te saludo mircea_popescu ...caballero
1716528;1505965865;BingoBoingo;Apparently "sluggish schizophrenia" is now USSA's way of handling problems? https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2140102/10552881
1716529;1505965887;BingoBoingo;Naturally diagnosed by Social Mediaists
1716530;1505966072;trinque;average internet dungbeetle doesn't have enough read-buffer for your meme-ropes
1716531;1505966366;BingoBoingo;Maybe they should try caching the ropes of memen in their butts?
1716532;1505968155;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=387 << "
1716533;1505968155;BingoBoingo;"No!" I thought, "It won’t be long and I won’t be the only able-bodied man on the street with belted pants. How am I supposed to fend off this army of punks then?""
1716534;1505969123;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/trump-offers-earthquake-aid-to-mexico-after-mexico-renegs-on-hurricaine-aid-to-texas-terrorist-assault-on-saint-louis-continues/ << Qntra - Trump Offers Earthquake Aid To Mexico After Mexico Renegs on Hurricaine Aid To Texas; Terrorist Assault On Saint Louis Continues
1716535;1505970028;ben_vulpes;fall happened over the course of two days. i am pissed.
1716536;1505970237;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716279 << I ended up going this route.
1716537;1505970237;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 21:10 trinque: and sure, could bash script a loop that does exactly what you want, and then bash script your next service too. people do that. and then they generalize out the utils, and have a process manager of their own.
1716538;1505970240;lobbes;Using this bash loop that is called on reboot. Spawns the bot process and tries to restart if it ends with exit code <> 0: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9osB5/?raw=true
1716539;1505970846;lobbes;No more grepping process list and no more endless spawning, at least
1716540;1505972677;ben_vulpes;neato lobbes. ratchet of republican sapper can-do ratchets forward again...
1716541;1505975614;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: there's a section of the trump un address that's duplicated, last duped pp starts with "We cannot let a murderous"
1716542;1505983282;mircea_popescu;!!up gribble
1716543;1505983283;deedbot;gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
1716544;1505983286;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
1716545;1505983288;gribble;Time since last block: 55 seconds
1716546;1505983293;mircea_popescu;heh
1716547;1505983303;mircea_popescu;teh network is disrupted to all hell fwiw.
1716548;1505985393;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716526 << give to brother for me
1716549;1505985393;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 02:16 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/kings-bounty-a-knights-tale/ << Trilema - King's Bounty - A Knight's Tale
1716550;1505985433;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716529 you recall teh "stanford trained psychologist" doing online diagnosis of "your vile" rite
1716551;1505985433;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 03:51 BingoBoingo: Naturally diagnosed by Social Mediaists
1716552;1505985516;mircea_popescu;also is Hurricaine deliberate ?
1716553;1505985534;mircea_popescu;by now i'm well caught in teh memeropes myself!
1716554;1505985567;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716535 << it can't be winter in september wtf mang.
1716555;1505985567;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 05:00 ben_vulpes: fall happened over the course of two days. i am pissed.
1716556;1505987027;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: ty fxd
1716557;1505987064;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu fxd
1716558;1505987081;*;BingoBoingo does not remember the diagnosis
1716559;1505987123;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Maybe you picked the wrong mountainside? Need one tilted a bit more warmerly
1716560;1505987595;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> teh network is disrupted to all hell fwiw. << On the plus side, most of the public facing trb identified nodes are back caught up to sync
1716561;1505987624;mircea_popescu;well yeah, they knocked offline their own shitnode network lel
1716562;1506002465;asciilifeform;in other noose, https://urbit.org/blog/2017.9-eth ( cocksucker serves empty page to archive.is, and so http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k9AVu/?raw=true << plain txt ) urbit drops pretense of independent existence, merges with... ethertardium
1716563;1506003494;mats;https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/21/sp-cuts-chinas-credit-rating-citing-increasing-economic-financial-risks.html
1716564;1506003623;mod6;mornin'
1716565;1506003636;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716562 << pretenses are expensive and mit is running out of marketable memorabilia
1716566;1506003636;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 14:01 asciilifeform: in other noose, https://urbit.org/blog/2017.9-eth ( cocksucker serves empty page to archive.is, and so http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k9AVu/?raw=true << plain txt ) urbit drops pretense of independent existence, merges with... ethertardium
1716567;1506003639;mircea_popescu;heya mod6
1716568;1506003674;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> teh network is disrupted to all hell fwiw. << looks like a series of really quick blocks 'eh?
1716569;1506003726;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716563 << that's really the lolz of all fucking time. i suppose next arthur andersen is going to come back from the teenager afterlife to declare it hates its mom!!1
1716570;1506003726;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 14:18 mats: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/21/sp-cuts-chinas-credit-rating-citing-increasing-economic-financial-risks.html
1716571;1506003754;mircea_popescu;mod6 it was re what mempool what nodes see sorta thing.
1716572;1506003812;mod6;ahh! ok.
1716573;1506003854;shinohai;!~tslb
1716574;1506003857;jhvh1;shinohai: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 58 seconds
1716575;1506003956;mod6;I was mostly referring to what was found in http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate  , especially yesterday
1716576;1506003989;mod6;well, not "yesterday" as much as starting around '486153'
1716577;1506004225;mircea_popescu;aha
1716578;1506004306;trinque;I had a node last night that was stuck a few hundred blocks back until restarted, then caught up quickly.
1716579;1506004320;trinque;sync mechanism needs serious work
1716580;1506004787;mircea_popescu;iirc ben_vulpes was saying something about mimisbrunnr being blackholed.
1716581;1506005085;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716186   <<< One often finds the finer luxuries of life in such establishments, no?
1716582;1506005085;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 19:40 mircea_popescu: and in other ways and means, i just bought a pile of primo cigars, presidents and romeo y juliets and whatnot at this... cathouse, basically.
1716583;1506005216;shinohai;I should like to have one of these cigars and nice bottle of Pernod Fils to enjoy with it.
1716584;1506005289;mircea_popescu;i dunno about them luxuries, it was kinda small...
1716585;1506005647;shinohai;btw mircea_popescu, chic from last night said she received deposit and is email bombing me about "el dinero de los refugiados Venezolanos"
1716586;1506005672;trinque;curious whether people's nodes are still receiving transactions and other protocol chatter while not receiving blocks; mine was, usually is.
1716587;1506005923;mircea_popescu;about what now ?!
1716588;1506005936;mircea_popescu;trinque usually how it goes
1716589;1506006245;mircea_popescu;the original conceptualization of the blocks/blockchain suffers from evident lack of experience ; the designer mind (constructively regarded, there was scarce design gone into the prototype) seems unaware of the actual order of priority of things, so what if blocks wait for txn etc.
1716590;1506006440;mircea_popescu;and in other random lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/70hpmr/core_is_100_responsible_for_the_recent_btc_turmoil/
1716591;1506007148;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716586 << dulap ( While Supplies Last!1111 ) is current fwiw
1716592;1506007148;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 14:54 trinque: curious whether people's nodes are still receiving transactions and other protocol chatter while not receiving blocks; mine was, usually is.
1716593;1506007191;trinque;not what I'm asking. my nodes are current at the moment too.
1716594;1506007242;asciilifeform;and yes if it isn't stuck in verification blackhole, it'll be churning tx crapola
1716595;1506007252;asciilifeform;this is ordinary
1716596;1506007296;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716589 << it isn't merely a shit design, it's a shit implementation of the shit design.
1716597;1506007296;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 15:04 mircea_popescu: the original conceptualization of the blocks/blockchain suffers from evident lack of experience ; the designer mind (constructively regarded, there was scarce design gone into the prototype) seems unaware of the actual order of priority of things, so what if blocks wait for txn etc.
1716598;1506007351;mircea_popescu;truth be told elements of original bitcoin suffered very much the same fate as human elements of the early bitcoin : on the long term, practice is a weighing machine
1716599;1506007355;mircea_popescu;they got weighted.
1716600;1506007460;asciilifeform;'Without Core sabotaging BTC by artificially imposing the block size limit, bitcoin would be much more widely used today. Heck, countries like Venezuela might even have everyday citizens really using it to buy bread, milk, toilet paper. Many African countries could use it too.' << lol!!
1716601;1506007472;asciilifeform;pinoys finally replaced with actual mechanical shannonizer ?
1716602;1506007485;mircea_popescu;recall back when it was "CYPRUS!!!" ? or for that matter "ARGENTINA!!!" ?
1716603;1506007497;asciilifeform;aha
1716604;1506007498;mircea_popescu;they'll never run out of "obvious" idiocy, the schmucks.
1716605;1506007529;mircea_popescu;"artificially imposed limits" ie, "you are scum and may not interact with things".
1716606;1506007547;asciilifeform;moarmoarmoar socialisms!11! terabyteblox!
1716607;1506007548;mircea_popescu;somehow makes http://trilema.com/2013/the-advantages-of-having-a-baby/ very much apropos.
1716608;1506007577;mircea_popescu;"are you a young leader getting ready to change the world ? consider procreation instead. god put procreation on earth to keep monkeys such as you busy! and it works, and has worked for generations!"
1716609;1506007613;asciilifeform;somehow the fact of ~traditional~ bitcoin not quite paying for its network to fully exist, is not obvious to the plankton
1716610;1506007635;asciilifeform;but for gb blox -- the stone soup, will somehow materialize and pay, veril
1716611;1506007636;asciilifeform;y
1716612;1506007648;mircea_popescu;actually what's obvious is the other part : SOMEWHAT paying means there's some paying going on ?! HOLY SHIT NO
1716613;1506007684;mircea_popescu;it's not that they couldn't pay for the "house" and "education" and etc.
1716614;1506007689;mircea_popescu;it's that THEY COULD PAY NO FRACTION OF IT!
1716615;1506007713;mircea_popescu;and nothing else is supposed to! bitcoin as it stands currently is throwing the curve.
1716616;1506007734;mircea_popescu;that's their problem, and what they set out to resolve, uncomprehendingly but with all the dedication of biology.
1716617;1506010967;asciilifeform;!~later tell apeloyee i studied your algo, it (aside from truly massive cost, that would annihilate savings from newton, or barrett, or just about any other trick) ~still leaks~, because shifting by >wordsize is a fundamentally different op from shifting <wordsize; and the only way for this to not be true is for all shifts to happen as a series of wordsize shifts; and a shift by ffawidth-1 (max shiftness) would then consist of ffawor
1716618;1506010967;asciilifeform;dness shift operations; and ergo all shifts must consist of ffawordness shift ops, as i described in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716343 .
1716619;1506010967;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 21:54 asciilifeform: e.g., N is a number to shift, Q is shift amt, R is result,  S = l_shift(N, 1); mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - 1)); S = l_shift(N, 1); mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - 2)); ...... mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - (width-1)))
1716620;1506010967;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1716621;1506010975;asciilifeform;motherfucking line breaks.
1716622;1506011023;asciilifeform;tldr: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716337 still holds, looks like.
1716623;1506011023;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 21:37 asciilifeform: afaik this cannot be done without a physical barrel shifter of the given bitness.
1716624;1506011119;asciilifeform;d00d was right in his observation that you ~could~ use a normalizing/denormalizing ( though proof is still a first class bitch ) algo, IF you had a secret 1..ffawidth shift. but you don't.
1716625;1506011134;asciilifeform;at least not one that doesn't bring the machine to its knees.
1716626;1506013060;lobbes;https://archive.is/XmY7k << lulzy. Will be fun to see how fakenewz "unhappens" these discoveries
1716627;1506013132;trinque;"The prospect of our own NSA, CIA and FBI becoming politically weaponized" << wahahaha
1716628;1506013149;trinque;the prospect!
1716629;1506013186;lobbes;Who could've predicted??
1716630;1506013593;asciilifeform;lobbes: will be unhappened exactly like every other time
1716631;1506013793;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 << per the canonical formula
1716632;1506013793;a111;Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1716633;1506015764;asciilifeform;in other olds, did we ever do https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gcrypt-devel/2015-November/003618.html
1716634;1506015840;asciilifeform;'~All general-purpose modular reduction involves numerator- and denominator-dependent branches... ...includes modular reduction for elliptic curve arithmetic, in which the numerator is secret; and modular reduction for RSA, in which the numerator (plaintext message) or denominator (p, q) can be secret.'
1716635;1506016975;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: portland has 2 seasons: rainy and sunny
1716636;1506016992;ben_vulpes;microclime apparently extends up where i live now as well
1716637;1506017856;ben_vulpes;aaand in Hate Speech Today: http://nypost.com/2017/09/21/sorority-probed-after-singing-n-word-lyric-in-kanye-west-song/
1716638;1506018638;trinque;as if white girls don't top the list of folks listening to kanye
1716639;1506019691;lobbes;"These girls aren’t racist and people up in arms over this are authoritarian p—-s who hate free speech" << heh. My mind filled in the censored "pussies(?)" with "pantsuits"
1716640;1506020006;mod6;:D
1716641;1506020269;ben_vulpes;oblig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trtaMHesWc8
1716642;1506020492;trinque;http://archive.is/GkBqP << in other dealings with fiat institutions
1716643;1506020507;trinque;BingoBoingo: ^
1716644;1506021051;asciilifeform;in other lulz, spot welder - despite being made of the purest chinesium -- worx great
1716645;1506021152;asciilifeform;trinque: 'SEC Chairman Jay Clayton disclosed late Wednesday that the agency learned in August 2017 that hackers may have exploited the 2016 incident for illegal insider-trading' << reminds of gox, 'hackers' and definitelynotnsa somehow
1716646;1506024511;jurov;Hi all, whoever placed orders via coinbr last 2 weeks, they were not forwarded to mpex. I was notified, fixed the problem, cancelled the orders and restored all balances.
1716647;1506024626;jurov;and due to that, i also missed qntra distribution, next time someone please kick me
1716648;1506024907;jurov;shinohai: just make the same deed as you did with coinbr, but with "since now please please donate all shares to foundation"
1716649;1506028051;mircea_popescu;how's life jurov
1716650;1506028184;mircea_popescu;trinque "The prospect of our own NSA, CIA and FBI << the "our own" bit is the lulziest. pantsuit actually thought they own something in this world. and not just ourdemocracy, at that. i suppose the scum actually sees itself as rightful inheritors of like cultural europe and etcetera.
1716651;1506028244;mircea_popescu;lobbes actually, those girls are very much racists ; and possibly the only ones.
1716652;1506028285;mircea_popescu;making up kanye west "black man" like they make up the barbies. when they age and clintonize they'll be making up obamas. black men in no sense whatsoever other than the needs of stupid white cunts.
1716653;1506028288;mircea_popescu;it's pretty racist, yeah.
1716654;1506028399;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716645 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-13#976006 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1695160 etcetera.
1716655;1506028399;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 19:12 asciilifeform: trinque: 'SEC Chairman Jay Clayton disclosed late Wednesday that the agency learned in August 2017 that hackers may have exploited the 2016 incident for illegal insider-trading' << reminds of gox, 'hackers' and definitelynotnsa somehow
1716656;1506028399;a111;Logged on 2015-01-13 18:05 mircea_popescu: lizard empire very large, very porous, generally i get the good bits before they fully propagated even.
1716657;1506028399;a111;Logged on 2017-08-07 19:25 mircea_popescu: you keep thinking the usg has actually interesting secrets, rather than the rejected scripts for reality tv we keep turning up in the sikrit vaults.
1716658;1506028933;ben_vulpes;"In digital real estate, as opposed to digital currency, a low-friction, zero-trust solution to the double-spend problem isn't an economic necessity." << oooooh this just makes me mad
1716659;1506028972;ben_vulpes;fits with the dork's desire to make a kingdom appear out of nowhere though.
1716660;1506029081;mircea_popescu;heh.
1716661;1506029110;mircea_popescu;what's the problem with deedbot real estate anyway ?
1716662;1506029123;mircea_popescu;or properly stated : why wouild i even consider considering anything else ?
1716663;1506029176;trinque;"we had to make up an excuse to do an(other?) ICO scam"
1716664;1506029213;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i think "real estate" in terms of "entries in the namespace"
1716665;1506029911;mircea_popescu;right
1716666;1506030042;ben_vulpes;ah, we had a thread on this that's slipping my mind.
1716667;1506030645;mircea_popescu;i think so
1716668;1506031441;ben_vulpes;"gns"? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572653
1716669;1506031441;a111;Logged on 2016-11-23 16:07 mircea_popescu: think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you.
1716670;1506031535;mircea_popescu;in other vague lulz, i picked up this bottle of kefir and made the obvious "this is kefir hawatt" joke. which nobody got.
1716671;1506031540;mircea_popescu;has it even been 30 years ?
1716672;1506033136;shinohai;In other faux Republics: http://archive.is/LAoMV
1716673;1506033508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but was the milk it was born from, from the cat-and-rat-system!!1
1716674;1506033527;mircea_popescu;mebbe the yak system
1716675;1506033570;*;asciilifeform when saw the film, ended up rereading subj b00k and astonished to realize that david lynch made up the detail, herbert didn't have it
1716676;1506033589;mircea_popescu;im not sure i saw the film actually
1716677;1506033618;asciilifeform;veeery peculiar screenization
1716678;1506033651;mircea_popescu;well, lynch
1716679;1506033710;*;asciilifeform liked.
1716680;1506034087;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1716681;1506034095;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3678.96, vol: 17982.25782995 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3664.4, vol: 58346.41376159 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3643.2, vol: 796.83910000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3680.9, vol: 6969.69484778 | Volume-weighted last average: 3668.68001392
1716682;1506034571;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFKjE6lg52M << oblig
1716683;1506045272;lobbes;I'd like to submit to the court my request for unbanning my bot's IP on the grounds that I have exorcised the insanity in my code that caused the spamvalanche the other day.
1716684;1506045751;mircea_popescu;works
1716685;1506045928;mircea_popescu;lobbes that did it ?
1716686;1506045986;lobbes;that did it. thank you sir
1716687;1506048055;mircea_popescu;np
1716688;1506053867;mats;in other accounting news, msft to soon adopt ASC 606, a new revenue accounting standard
1716689;1506074011;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716675 <-- aha! --> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705155
1716690;1506074011;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 22:39 asciilifeform when saw the film, ended up rereading subj b00k and astonished to realize that david lynch made up the detail, herbert didn't have it
1716691;1506074011;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 18:34 asciilifeform: much of the appeal of the b00k, imho, was that it left such detail to imagination.
1716692;1506074061;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716679 <-- also liked. jodorowsky did not (according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ7YZXeI54s lulz)
1716693;1506074061;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 22:41 asciilifeform liked.
1716694;1506091469;mod6;Morning TMSR~
1716695;1506091491;asciilifeform;ohai mod6
1716696;1506091507;shinohai;Morning mod6 07
1716697;1506091517;mod6;How's it goin toay?
1716698;1506091588;shinohai;Not bad, about to get errands taken care of today. you/
1716699;1506091694;*;asciilifeform massively busy with '10x pounds of shit in x pound bag'
1716700;1506091703;mod6;kinda the same really.  gotta get some suits dry-cleaned and head to the tailor for some measurements for new ones.
1716701;1506094831;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2017/09/22/segwit-toljaso/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - SegWit toljaso
1716702;1506101952;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! all outstanding FG to today have been SHIPPED.
1716703;1506103513;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1716704;1506103518;mircea_popescu;hola!
1716705;1506104434;mod6;que tal?
1716706;1506104720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jStGb/?raw=true
1716707;1506105820;mircea_popescu;aha.
1716708;1506109420;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/22/oh_dear_adobe_security_blog_leaks_private_key_info/
1716709;1506109456;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1716710;1506109462;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3598.98, vol: 16598.22683075 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3580.0, vol: 53726.03939856 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3504.097062, vol: 909.54540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3580.8, vol: 5963.76629498 | Volume-weighted last average: 3583.24839453
1716711;1506114326;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "that probably hurts", http://68.media.tumblr.com/81e948554164a8f6cb687ed163cee86b/tumblr_nlxg6fgvQs1taqgrlo1_400.gif
1716712;1506114357;asciilifeform;woah guiness book
1716713;1506114368;asciilifeform;(that, or peculiar camerawork)
1716714;1506114535;shinohai;O.o
1716715;1506118530;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8dRjD/?raw=true
1716716;1506121154;BingoBoingo;http://www.newser.com/story/248917/cops-woman-killed-on-amazon-trek-after-ominous-warning.html << White Priviledge checked
1716717;1506121233;BingoBoingo;"Emma Kelty repeated a warning from a Peruvian guide in tongue-and-cheek fashion. "I will have my boat stolen and I will be killed too," she tweeted. "Nice."" ... "Back in February, Kelty—who became the sixth woman to ski solo to the South Pole in January—told the BBC that surviving encounters with "people who organ-harvest and rob and fire guns" was "half the challenge" of her Amazon adventure." ... And the climax
1716718;1506121236;BingoBoingo;"Authorities now believe the 43-year-old British woman had pitched her tent on the banks of an Amazon tributary near Lauro Sodré when she was approached by men who shot her and threw her body in the river. "
1716719;1506121368;BingoBoingo;And the investigation revealed: "It seems that the bandits came across Kelty's remote campsite and incorrectly assumed she was a drug trafficker. "When the men saw her tent they thought it belonged to a Colombian with drugs, so they started firing from about 50 meters away," the resident tells the Telegraph. He says Kelty was hit in the arm and began screaming for help, and the bandits then moved in. According to the resident's account,
1716720;1506121369;BingoBoingo;the men cut off her hair, demanding to know where the drugs were, then sexually abused her, cut her throat, and dumped her body in the river"
1716721;1506123693;*;asciilifeform observes unrelatedly that aaaaalmost every in the lordship nao owns at least 1 FG
1716722;1506123938;BingoBoingo;!!up maxp_
1716723;1506123938;deedbot;maxp_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1716724;1506124597;BingoBoingo;https://identitydixie.com/2017/09/21/mores-the-pity/
1716725;1506124694;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/st-louis-aldermen-pass-resolution-honoring-late-heroin-trafficker/ << Qntra - St Louis Aldermen Pass Resolution Honoring Late Heroin Trafficker
1716726;1506124728;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: on one hand, yes, anally rebuked by pirates, knifed and thrown overboard. on other hand, i can think of worse fates than this, e.g. living 50 yrs 'uneventfully' in 'civilized' usgsuburbia
1716727;1506124788;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The point is that's what the bluegums actually tell each other
1716728;1506124797;asciilifeform;wtf is a bluegum
1716729;1506124868;BingoBoingo;!~ud bluegum
1716730;1506124869;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: bluegum :: A person of African American Heritage who  has a purplish hew to the dental margins. [ex:] " Boy you-all doan want to get bit by one uh them Blue Gum N-Words! They bite is poisonouser than a rattlesnake!" [/ex] | Usually refers to a lazy black American who refuses to work. [ex:] Look at that ol blue gum just watching us do all the work!Stop blue gumming and get to work! [/ex] | A (4 more messages)
1716731;1506124872;BingoBoingo;https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blue%20gum
1716732;1506124876;BingoBoingo;!~more
1716733;1506124876;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: person of african american decent.  Also see [nigger] [ex:] Damn blue gums stole me bicycle [/ex] | A synonym of African American, this word describes the bluish color typical of a black mouth. [ex:] Hey! Somebody hang that bluegum! [/ex] | An African or African American with exceptionally dark skin. [ex:] He ain't high yellow, he's a bluegums. [/ex] | Any black person whose gums are (3 more messages)
1716734;1506124882;BingoBoingo;!~more
1716735;1506124882;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: blue in color. Used to differentiate from the more common pink-gummed black person. [ex:] Officer "Ma'am, is this the man who robbed you?"Woman "No officer, this man's gums are pink, the man who robbed me was a bluegum" [/ex] | A black person of the darker variety such that the gums are of a blue color. [ex:] Billy-Bob: No officer, I ain't robbed the liquor store. It was a damn blue-gum what did it. (2 more messages)
1716736;1506124886;BingoBoingo;!~more
1716737;1506124886;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: [/ex] | a racial slur for an African American. Connotes a lazy, silly-dumb, manual laborer. Derogatory, but not as derogatory as the "n" word. You'll probably still get beat up if you use it in company. [ex:] Those blue gums up the crik eat nothin' but watermelons. [/ex] | Any person of African decent. see [mooncricket] [ex:] The bluegums are posted up on the street corner again. [/ex] | (1 more message)
1716738;1506124890;BingoBoingo;!~more
1716739;1506124890;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: another name for da black man, usually the southern ones, kinda like looty for example, at least they kinda know how to speak english [ex:] [racamoni] 10:35 am: I dislike the spics more than bluegums[driver99] 10:37 am: almost hit one last night.[driver99] 10:37 am: bluegum [/ex]
1716740;1506124915;asciilifeform;lol
1716741;1506124965;BingoBoingo;Contrast to
1716742;1506124970;BingoBoingo;!~ud redbone
1716743;1506124972;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: redbone :: Light skinned female/male mixed with black and another race. [ex:] "she doesn't look full black, she must be a redbone" [/ex] | A fine, thick light skinned girl. [ex:] "imma get me some red bones 2nite." [/ex] | Okay this is the real, real deal folks.Redbone, the correct terminology, is a black person who has red undertones in their hair and skin. Usually light or light caramel (9 more messages)
1716744;1506124979;BingoBoingo;or
1716745;1506124988;BingoBoingo;!~ud high yellow
1716746;1506124989;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: high yellow :: Referring to a person of African American decent that has very light skin, also see [redbone] [ex:] That girl is so high yellow, she lights up a dark room! [/ex] | There's nothing derogatory about being High yellow. It has nothing to do with jealousy of darker complexioned blacks, or bi-racials who think they are better then others. Not all light skinned black people are biracial, (8 more messages)
1716747;1506124991;trinque;so when a hurricane rapes and flattens Haiti, what's that? bitch bot bad directions?
1716748;1506124994;trinque;*got
1716749;1506125049;asciilifeform;trinque: nah, that's ogun badagris answering an out-of-spec goat sacrifice
1716750;1506125050;trinque;this season willing to bet there are more black lives that didn't matter to hurricanes than white.
1716751;1506125055;BingoBoingo;trinque: Or she's pissed at her menfolk again for sloshing in the other storm's wet rain bands
1716752;1506125055;trinque;lol
1716753;1506128037;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-22#1716708 >> for perma-record >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eOhkg/?raw=true
1716754;1506128037;a111;Logged on 2017-09-22 19:43 asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/22/oh_dear_adobe_security_blog_leaks_private_key_info/
1716755;1506128149;asciilifeform;seems to be symmetrically-ciphered, like most people's gpg key, tho. so not esp. useful
1716756;1506128177;asciilifeform;( other than to nsa, who was told the pw out of band and will use it in deniable-whatever garbage )
1716757;1506128233;asciilifeform;and 'Mailvelope open source project. OpenPGP in your browser', lol!!
1716758;1506128337;asciilifeform;the key, incidentally, dates to at least 2008.
1716759;1506131443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cool, standy
1716760;1506133805;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-22#1716720 << all hail usg.cia & our pantsuit friends, risking their lives erryday to make the world safe for democracy (tm)
1716761;1506133805;a111;Logged on 2017-09-22 23:02 BingoBoingo: the men cut off her hair, demanding to know where the drugs were, then sexually abused her, cut her throat, and dumped her body in the river"
1716762;1506134204;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-23#1716750 <<<  bwhahaha
1716763;1506134204;a111;Logged on 2017-09-23 00:04 trinque: this season willing to bet there are more black lives that didn't matter to hurricanes than white.
1716764;1506134335;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-23#1716753 << the hysterical part being that for all the http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ involved, nobody among the "experts" was fired over this.
1716765;1506134335;a111;Logged on 2017-09-23 00:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-22#1716708 >> for perma-record >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eOhkg/?raw=true
1716766;1506134365;mircea_popescu;and then they want to sit there and derp on about how mit is the premiere science and technology something or the other and someone gives a shit about whatever conference and so on and so following in this manner.
1716767;1506134386;mircea_popescu;children unqualified to whore out to goats running around calling themselves kanzure and whatnot.
1716768;1506134500;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-23#1716758 << phuctor (which, incomprehensibly, is still up) does have it, but because it was added today.
1716769;1506134500;a111;Logged on 2017-09-23 00:58 asciilifeform: the key, incidentally, dates to at least 2008.
1716770;1506134510;mircea_popescu;which opens the q of why the fuck exactly it wasn't in any of the prior datasets.
1716771;1506134604;mircea_popescu;also there's both 3EF4735A73A67BFBDCC11BC986C00FC2AF877616 and EE800DF6952EB0B750FE65BF1844D96716A17EC7 in there, but not "0x33E9E596" as they seem think.
1716772;1506135025;asciilifeform;i added it
1716773;1506138154;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-23#1716770 << looks like it wasn't in sks...
1716774;1506138154;a111;Logged on 2017-09-23 02:41 mircea_popescu: which opens the q of why the fuck exactly it wasn't in any of the prior datasets.
1716775;1506138169;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat meat
1716776;1506141123;BingoBoingo;http://www.cbs46.com/story/36401258/naval-hospital-nurse-posts-disturbing-pictures-of-newborn-babies
1716777;1506141149;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/cZQYb
1716778;1506141808;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/22/donald-trump-might-made-mistake-endorsing-luther-strange/ << A Great Again Divided Again Can Again? y/N
1716779;1506145807;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, but question is why not. it's eminently a public key neh.
1716780;1506163667;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-22#1716716 << i'm with asciilifeform on that one, there are worse fates, but this bit was lulzy: "I'm going to a self-defense course which is going to be tailored to de-arming people, so if I do come across that situation at least I'm prepared for it." i mean, that joke is so old SNL made a skit
1716781;1506163667;a111;Logged on 2017-09-22 22:59 BingoBoingo: http://www.newser.com/story/248917/cops-woman-killed-on-amazon-trek-after-ominous-warning.html << White Priviledge checked
1716782;1506163933;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716480 << huh interesting
1716783;1506163933;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 23:38 mircea_popescu: phf i hope you're taking notes lol
1716784;1506173134;BingoBoingo;!!Up SoldierOfFortune
1716785;1506173134;deedbot;SoldierOfFortune voiced for 30 minutes.
1716786;1506173827;BingoBoingo;SoldierOfFortune: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1716787;1506206705;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/russia-erupts-in-nazi-rifle-monument-scandal/ << Qntra - Russia Erupts In Nazi Rifle Monument Scandal
1716788;1506207269;mircea_popescu;o sopirla.
1716789;1506209012;BingoBoingo;Adorable!
1716790;1506211458;mircea_popescu;and in other sloppy work, http://68.media.tumblr.com/92a34deec71150d2b3fe4e71db8b659f/tumblr_nrr4xrmHzV1utnt97o1_540.gif
1716791;1506211922;BingoBoingo;OMG is that a NAZI driffle of memen they are slobbering over?!
1716792;1506211933;mircea_popescu;kek
1716793;1506212596;mod6;hawt
1716794;1506213781;BingoBoingo;!!up barpub
1716795;1506213782;deedbot;barpub voiced for 30 minutes.
1716796;1506213791;BingoBoingo;barpub: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1716797;1506214198;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1716798;1506214206;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3758.0, vol: 10046.78904957 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3753.2, vol: 26213.99543019 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3627.2987, vol: 622.94180000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3768.7, vol: 4152.20437236 | Volume-weighted last average: 3754.03230896
1716799;1506216790;BingoBoingo;In other outreach efforts https://gab.ai/BingoBoingo/posts/12522676
1716800;1506218425;mircea_popescu;what;s a gab ai ?
1716801;1506218553;BingoBoingo;That thing the other alf mentioned, the Nazi twitter
1716802;1506218564;mircea_popescu;oh i c
1716803;1506218585;BingoBoingo;May as well see if there's people there
1716804;1506218639;BingoBoingo;Early surverying however suggest a strong possibility that it's just a bunch of self promoting cancerous faggots circle jerking for alt-socialism
1716805;1506218700;mircea_popescu;self-declared "alternatives to x" because "x was wrecked" are much more likely to be the self-same wreckers than some third party.
1716806;1506218705;mircea_popescu;in which vein, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a25b32593ab2bbebf16d6e66e801e599/tumblr_nm7d9of56x1urjdn3o1_500.gif
1716807;1506218739;BingoBoingo;Still, it is an untested venue for injecting a hot load of Republican Memen
1716808;1506218743;mircea_popescu;anyway, the more general problem with niggers is that there's always more niggers than fried chicken. what's a poor niggger to do besides  "alternatives" to fried chicken / stone soup ?
1716809;1506218751;mircea_popescu;memen eh ?
1716810;1506218829;BingoBoingo;You know, like raep juice, but with information not encoded in DNA outside of USG.NSA.kanzure
1716811;1506218898;mircea_popescu;in other postmortems, http://eco.playwebgame.com/news/info-close-billing-announcement/
1716812;1506218919;mircea_popescu;i personally find it hysterical that the engrish lulz farm manage to write the obituary in engrish as well!
1716813;1506218968;BingoBoingo;lol
1716814;1506220058;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2017/09/oppression-in-spain-heavy-handed-madrid-government-suppressing-catalan-independence-referendum/ << Qntra - Oppression In Spain: Heavy Handed Madrid Government Suppressing Catalan Independence Referendum
1716815;1506221500;mircea_popescu;but the us "army" is going to bomb madrid so all is well yes ?
1716816;1506221534;BingoBoingo;It better
1716817;1506221625;mircea_popescu;could prolly provide "training and logistical support" to local mujahefreedom fighters.
1716818;1506221749;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Then again also trying to squash Kurdish independence referendum while financing their majahefreedom fighters
1716819;1506221796;mircea_popescu;was lulzy, back when usgistan depoended on kurd army to win encounter with caliphate, it was all sweet
1716820;1506221801;mircea_popescu;nao suddenly...
1716821;1506221921;BingoBoingo;Oh, I though it was still dependapotamusing on Kurds for that
1716822;1506221943;BingoBoingo;You know, Clitler as the Kurd's fat wife
1716823;1506221948;mircea_popescu;heh
1716824;1506222719;BingoBoingo;In other wanks, confirmed stooges calling probable stooges stooges in stoogeception https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/18/signal-moxie-marlinspike-techcrunch-disrupt-sf-2017-telegram/
1716825;1506223014;asciilifeform;such precious shiteating-face of closedturdcrypto d00d
1716826;1506223078;mircea_popescu;how shall i ever manage to choose among the usgistani offerings of totally-secure-alt-tors for the post-tor era (introduced by the not-trilema theguardian!!!)
1716827;1506223085;mircea_popescu;i r overwhelmt.
1716828;1506223263;BingoBoingo;I hear the DIA endorses making a 5x5 game board with the options as squares, ripping a rooster's head off and choosing the square the rooster dies on
1716829;1506223283;mircea_popescu;is that the DYA or the NYST ?
1716830;1506223346;BingoBoingo;It's the one with DNA drives spoiling in Utah
1716831;1506225777;mod6;heheh
1716832;1506234645;ben_vulpes;"i prefer signal, it at least maintains the pretense of end-to-end encryption"
1716833;1506258396;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1716834;1506258402;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3704.98, vol: 8292.91409457 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3696.0, vol: 21350.62662517 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3617.8933, vol: 620.94540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3709.8, vol: 3585.15323779 | Volume-weighted last average: 3698.22884168
1716835;1506258811;mircea_popescu;!!up oroborous
1716836;1506258811;deedbot;oroborous voiced for 30 minutes.
1716837;1506259435;shinohai;Oh buenas dias mircea_popescu
1716838;1506259487;mircea_popescu;hola!
1716839;1506259515;mircea_popescu;and speaking of which, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b78839c4476ec792c5e8671339a1902b/tumblr_nm7974lYmV1qa7pxgo1_400.gif
1716840;1506259572;oroborous;mircea_popescu: buy why comic sans tho'?
1716841;1506259588;mircea_popescu;cuz your system sucks.
1716842;1506259623;oroborous;oh yeah, you got me with this one
1716843;1506259659;mircea_popescu;as opposed to which one lol.
1716844;1506259664;*;mircea_popescu is a getter.
1716845;1506264377;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : "gedit" (gnome lulz-nano) SIMPLY CRASHES if fed a 60kb no-spaces textfile.
1716846;1506265877;asciilifeform;lol, 'only a terrorist would have a 80kB without newline' ?
1716847;1506265924;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1716848;1506265930;mircea_popescu;THEY HAVE UTF SUPPORT THO!!!
1716849;1506265954;mircea_popescu;how the fuck exactly ? you're telling me there's no 80kb unicode glyph for some (white priviledge!!!) reason ?
1716850;1506266150;asciilifeform;from where did mircea_popescu even get a gnomiferous box..? will assume he took it off a dead nazi
1716851;1506266175;mircea_popescu;in other such lulz, had a team of professionals (3 sorry looking kids) from super-duper local isp do a bunch of cable laying. leaving aside that the job included climbing a 3 story bare metal outside ladder to get to the roof, which was a first for all of 'em, the place itself... well, the girls were dressed, exceptionally, but i only realised by and by that there's a lot of shit such as ball gags laying about, bullwhips hang
1716852;1506266175;mircea_popescu;ing from curtain rods, all sorts and manner of paraphenailia which, if regarded by neutral eyes cast a strange shadow on ortdinary items (why is there a pile of xl condom packs RIGHT NEXT TO rubbing alcohol and what is that pointy thing?!?!?).
1716853;1506266188;mircea_popescu;i expect they called in sick and spent the rest of the day in a lavatory.
1716854;1506266360;asciilifeform;sat dish?
1716855;1506266377;asciilifeform;(else why roof, seems odd)
1716856;1506266391;mircea_popescu;well cuz that's what i needed!
1716857;1506266513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, note it's 60kb not 80kb. less than 64!
1716858;1506266636;asciilifeform;betcha it has hardcoded 1kB lines or somesuch.
1716859;1506266827;mircea_popescu;or 13370 bits, why not.
1716860;1506271028;asciilifeform;in other vulnburnlulz, http://archive.is/chyRF
1716861;1506271071;asciilifeform;^ 'armory' seekrit-splitter leaks keybits
1716862;1506271082;asciilifeform;quite deliberately.
1716863;1506271273;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, CAN YOU FUCKING BELIEVE phuctor is still on ?
1716864;1506271291;mircea_popescu;apparently they are so loath it leaves perfectly willing to pay for hosting even.
1716865;1506271417;mircea_popescu;"This is precisely what Armory’s implementation breaks, by rolling deterministic and chained coefficients, where the first coefficient is deterministically derived from the secret, and the subsequent ones are derived successively from one another."
1716866;1506271420;mircea_popescu;ehehehe
1716867;1506271457;mircea_popescu;HE DIDNT EVEN SALT
1716868;1506271621;mircea_popescu;bonus points for a text full of "I" as FUCKING IF he's me, except of course we don't get to even see the fucktard's fucking name aywhere.
1716869;1506271672;mircea_popescu;fucking intolerable shitheads. then he wonders why everything he makes is broken.
1716870;1506285189;mircea_popescu;in other news, the "action movie" phenomenon of the 70s/early 80s is a very interesting epiphenomenon of the maga.
1716871;1506285244;mircea_popescu;the ~only function of those flicks was to provide rage escapism for adult blue collar males who were aware of the mafia through daily interaction, but liked to imagine some kind of separation, "if those scumbags that are totally not my betters ever raped my wife and daughter, why i... i... i'd totally slyvester seagall all over them!"
1716872;1506285272;mircea_popescu;they went away not because "mafia went away" and other giulaini nonsense -- but because the blue collar adult male went away.
1716873;1506289888;mod6;aha.
1716874;1506293479;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-22#1716721 << tests so far look great http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/e6fuo/?raw=true ; awaiting the full 1gb and then I'll publish results.
1716875;1506293479;a111;Logged on 2017-09-22 23:41 asciilifeform observes unrelatedly that aaaaalmost every in the lordship nao owns at least 1 FG
1716876;1506293643;trinque;deedbot wallet ready when I perform a privkey generation ritual after fg final test.
1716877;1506296136;trinque;http://deedbot.org/help.html#wallet << docs updated with upcoming wallet commands.
1716878;1506300816;lobbes;neato trinque
1716879;1506304246;mircea_popescu;incidentally, speaking of the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588696 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711102 etc : did anyone ever come up with a formal functional expression of Dirac's delta ?
1716880;1506304246;a111;Logged on 2016-12-22 23:43 asciilifeform: 'AI risk is string theory for computer programmers. It's fun to think about, interesting, and completely inaccessible to experiment given our current technology. You can build crystal palaces of thought, working from first principles, then climb up inside them and pull the ladder up behind you.'
1716881;1506304246;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 03:07 asciilifeform: s clearly an area of tremendous importance. In fact, I had to switch to an engineering department to work on it, because physics departments are broke and enamoured with ex-string theorist well-fare projects like topological insulators....'
1716882;1506306772;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> they went away not because "mafia went away" and other giulaini nonsense -- but because the blue collar adult male went away. << AHA, amazing how kids who grew up on the "action movie" failed to want to become either mafia dude or blue collar dude.
1716883;1506306952;mircea_popescu;i dun think it has anything to do with anything other than credit.
1716884;1506306963;mircea_popescu;blue collar dude bought a house if he scrounged and saved for one.
1716885;1506306973;mircea_popescu;his kid -- CC "applications" in mail since 16yo.
1716886;1506307004;mircea_popescu;then the question readily become "how much free shit would it be fair for the $peoplesendingmeenvelopes to send me on a yearly basis"
1716887;1506307024;mircea_popescu;the "living wage" is the necessary result of the bright banking idea of "mail everyone credit cards -- itis good for business!"
1716888;1506307032;mircea_popescu;sure, in the sense burning down house is good for heat.
1716889;1506307077;mircea_popescu;if i ran the bank supervisor would have pulled licenses of anyone engaging in that shit.
1716890;1506307129;mircea_popescu;bulk unsolicited credit offers -> you go to jail!
1716891;1506307704;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: blue collar implies, capable of working
1716892;1506307716;BingoBoingo;his kids can only do old womanly sit-work
1716893;1506307720;mircea_popescu;worse than that : living in a world in which work exists.
1716894;1506307748;mircea_popescu;work hasn't actually existed in 20 years, there's what we do, and redditard can't to anyway, and otherwise redditarding, which is entirely undistinguishable from simply being monkey in zoo.
1716895;1506307791;mircea_popescu;he too, the monkey in zoo, "maintains social relations" such as befit a monkey in a zoo, and delouses self and friends, and does other uu-aa things which, importantly, are topologically insulated from the actual world through something known as the cage bars.
1716896;1506307808;*;BingoBoingo wonders if irl redditings will eventually get diclorvos strips placed as in https://www.amazon.com/Mosquito-Trap-N-Kill-MADE-IN-USA/dp/B06Y4CSQBS
1716897;1506307849;mircea_popescu;i thought it's getting banned.
1716898;1506307898;BingoBoingo;Other shit's getting banned. Apparently it's getting a new life because bedbugs
1716899;1506307912;mircea_popescu;hm
1716900;1506307938;mircea_popescu;iirc presence in water was somewhat related to prevalence of the supposed adhd disease
1716901;1506307961;BingoBoingo;Apparently now instead of bedding in trash bag and then dumpster when infested, new fad is into trash bag with diclorvos strip and then reuse bedding
1716902;1506307998;mircea_popescu;heh\
1716903;1506308009;BingoBoingo;Now, KKKalifornia is debating a malathion ban which would mean no more produce in USA supermarket ever
1716904;1506308022;mircea_popescu;lol.
1716905;1506308113;BingoBoingo;Butt apparently delousings as social activity is where the dirty antifa hippies are pushing everyone
1716906;1506308220;BingoBoingo;Well, antifa, airbnb, and gabriel_laddel-ites
1716907;1506308249;mircea_popescu;maybe schistosomiasis soon.
1716908;1506308371;mircea_popescu;(lulzy thing re that helminth : it was always common in egypt ; because it induces bloody urination it was actually socially-reinterpreted by the same retarded pantsuits who built pyramids as "rite of passage" for boys ie hurray, menstruation too!
1716909;1506308435;mircea_popescu;but then the victorious socialism came by, started building a world of the future without such pests. this was to be accomplished through forced injection of wonder drugs, that did not work. the injecting however left egypt the highest hepatitis C place in the world, and by far. it's actually epidemiologically traceable to the victorious socialism campaigns, by geographic area and social groups.)
1716910;1506308525;BingoBoingo;lol, kinda curious what the beetus epidemic is going to do to US hep c rates
1716911;1506308564;mircea_popescu;well unlike 1960s nader, 2010s obama has cheap disposable needles
1716912;1506308781;BingoBoingo;Well, swamp has disposable needles too http://www.mosquitoscience.net/images/bite_animation.gif
1716913;1506308787;mircea_popescu;in other vaguely related lulz : the "disability weight" is a nonsensical scalar measure invented by the kanzure type idiots who deal in "DALY" ie "societal measures of health" and such bullshit. they publish lousy fanfic with some regularity, which can be amusing. for instance, as per the 2004 official truth, blindness was the 2nd most serious problem, (after alzheimer's, ahead of schizophrenia, being the top 3) with a nonsen
1716914;1506308787;mircea_popescu;sical factor of "0.594". the 2010 edition of the "same" list of masturbatory products dropped it to 0.195, because, get this, "we changed our fanfic to be measure of health rather than welfare and blind person is not ill"
1716915;1506308790;mircea_popescu;which... you know ?
1716916;1506308817;mircea_popescu;meanwhile lower back pain went from 0.06 to 0.37 because HEY!!! all things must be done by for and through the office drone! WHO COULD DISPUTE THIS WORLDVIEW!
1716917;1506308838;BingoBoingo;LOL
1716918;1506308866;mircea_popescu;there's an endless ocean of lolcow tears, out there. all sorts of these groups by now, "doing things" orally.
1716919;1506309017;mircea_popescu;(the sponsors of this wank are the gates fambly. generally you'll find each wankfest has its own ex-corporate dumbasses behind it)
1716920;1506309065;BingoBoingo;Well, makes sense for the gates fambly for the Buffet reason of preventing future competing gates famblys
1716921;1506309126;mircea_popescu;i'm not sure it has anything baked in above and beyond, "here's a billion we don't know what to do with, because we won it at the social mobility lottery, can anyone halp ?" resulting in an ad-hoc, informally specified, poorly directed and utterly undesigned effort to produce words and "numbers" in exchange for expense accounts.
1716922;1506309165;mircea_popescu;for the same money this set of microscopic ant guys processing a drop of mango pulp on my counter are doing research at my behest.
1716923;1506309202;mircea_popescu;anyway, there is some acturial basis for it, well buried under the fanfic. much like there's a thin sliver of actual geological survey buried under the "global warming" wank.
1716924;1506309202;BingoBoingo;But think how many other famblys trying to play social mobility lottery bet big on blind only to see the Gates change the drawing rules on them
1716925;1506309212;mircea_popescu;heh
1716926;1506309238;BingoBoingo;In same way ants doing mango research are there for fna's entertainment
1716927;1506309249;mircea_popescu;anyway, gives the lancet something to print.
1716928;1506309272;mircea_popescu;(if you're in any way related to "teh industry" of "science" you're aware how much of a fucking problem content generation is / was)
1716929;1506309332;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo speaking of fna, lulz of all time : i have a wall mounted wide screen. as you can imagine, it is THE hottest bit of real estate as far as gecko is concerned (very safe, nice and warm at night, plenty of hidey places, a villa!)
1716930;1506309362;mircea_popescu;now, as it happens a wall mounted screen will be watched mostly in the early evening. as it also happens, fna will sleep during day, wake up for business in the early evening.
1716931;1506309395;mircea_popescu;consequently this poor animal has a bunch of people STALKING HIM, watching his house at gecko's 7-8am. just as he's getting ready to try and beat the god damned traffic to work!
1716932;1506309397;mircea_popescu;SICKOS!
1716933;1506309442;mircea_popescu;so he'd come out, run 10-20 cm, discover all these eyes on him, turnabout run back in, wait a little, try again...
1716934;1506309530;BingoBoingo;OH HOW CRUEL BIPEDS ARE!
1716935;1506309579;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, "United States v. 11 1/4 Dozen Packages of Articles Labeled in Part Mrs. Moffat’s Shoo-Fly Powders for Drunkenness" is a genuine case citation, early in rem litigation in new york.
1716936;1506309932;*;BingoBoingo still pissed that "People of the State of Illinois" so rarely includes him in making decisions on who to versus
1716937;1506309992;*;BingoBoingo would threaten ot stahp paying taxes, but too lol-te
1716938;1506310160;mircea_popescu;lol
1716939;1506310166;*;BingoBoingo may end up netting a profit on most recent speeding ticket
1716940;1506310419;BingoBoingo;But that depends on the State's continued demonstrations of bad faith in discovery continuing to generate tort fuel
1716941;1506310914;mod6;<+trinque> http://deedbot.org/help.html#wallet << docs updated with upcoming wallet commands. << very cool!
1716942;1506311815;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-25#1716879 <<not afaik
1716943;1506311815;a111;Logged on 2017-09-25 01:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588696 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711102 etc : did anyone ever come up with a formal functional expression of Dirac's delta ?
1716944;1506311865;mircea_popescu;sooo are we sticking to pre schwartz notions of "physicists are talking nonsense" ?
1716945;1506311876;asciilifeform;hm?
1716946;1506311886;mircea_popescu;seems to me it's the job of math people to produce all needed schwartzen and their shortcoming when they fail to do so.
1716947;1506311901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you are aware "consensus" among the math tribe was that dirac & friends are talking nonsense ?
1716948;1506311969;asciilifeform;no, but unsurprised
1716949;1506312010;mircea_popescu;and i suppose the evident similarity between dirac delta and "whichever unnamed abstractions you support your estimation of string theory" is also striking to you ?
1716950;1506312079;mircea_popescu;(schwartz above is laurent schwartz, provided an elegant translation of the non-functional nature of dirac's delta by using distribution limits to model it)
1716951;1506312093;asciilifeform;the difference is also imho obvious
1716952;1506312117;mircea_popescu;what's it ?
1716953;1506312145;asciilifeform;( the string orchestra not only dun give a flying fuck re parsimony, but quite the opposite , complexity cancer deliberately cultured, breeds grantolade for mediocrities )
1716954;1506312161;mircea_popescu;but this is a political consideration.
1716955;1506312176;mircea_popescu;should be applied against people not against things.
1716956;1506312178;asciilifeform;there is no separability of the political.
1716957;1506312205;mircea_popescu;there is in this sense. if "alcohol" "leads people into sin", then those led into sin are to be hanged ; but alcohol not condemned.
1716958;1506312229;asciilifeform;i am not convinced of there being involvement of 'things' : strings have not even the reality anchor of phlogiston.
1716959;1506312242;asciilifeform;are ~= 'privilegism'
1716960;1506312248;mircea_popescu;they're abstract things
1716961;1506312270;asciilifeform;unanchored abstractions, like in schizo patient.
1716962;1506312279;mircea_popescu;but those are also still things.
1716963;1506312290;mircea_popescu;not concrete in any sense ; and not meaningful either, but still.
1716964;1506312328;asciilifeform;and unlike in schizo patient, crafted with clear political angle.
1716965;1506312343;mircea_popescu;"things that i can fuck", "things that i can understand", "things i can talk about". many kinds of things.
1716966;1506312365;asciilifeform;there is also 'things that, if loaded into a head, make it stupider'
1716967;1506312388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dirac's delta, aslo crafted with clear political angle : to exclude non-diracians from so-and-so set of benches.
1716968;1506312406;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i put it to you, that if such a thing should exist, the head is at fault not the thing.
1716969;1506312423;mircea_popescu;do also there exist "bad data" known by that fact that "if put into computer, break it" ? fix the fucking code.
1716970;1506312476;mircea_popescu;obscenity laws, banned books, political correctness, antivirus corps etc are all the sorry product of the contrary view.
1716971;1506312612;asciilifeform;the basic sin in strings is same as in microshit and elsewhere: rejection of parsimony
1716972;1506312629;asciilifeform;that way lies daemonology and nothing else.
1716973;1506312635;mircea_popescu;so you'll settle on "dirac's delta visibly parsimonious ; string theory not so visibly if at all" ?
1716974;1506312704;asciilifeform;aha
1716975;1506312712;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1716976;1506312729;asciilifeform;at least was obvious attempt. at parsimony.
1716977;1506312730;mircea_popescu;i suppose this actually enacts a fundamental of "parsimony" in estimation of all ideal objects.
1716978;1506312750;mircea_popescu;"do it or else alf won't like it and mp won't defend you and what else is there for you."
1716979;1506312773;asciilifeform;'do it or you ain't even thinking, but fermenting'
1716980;1506312782;mircea_popescu;that also.
1716981;1506312834;mircea_popescu;very literally true, too. the act of fermentation as a thermodynamic process is correctly modelled as an increase in entropy ie exactly "that way lies demonology"
1716982;1506312863;mircea_popescu;system becomes more complex over time at a steady rate based on temperature / gates' worthless money input.
1716983;1506312896;mircea_popescu;exaclty as per the above "ants doing mango pulp powered research"
1716984;1506312920;asciilifeform;they're crankin' out LPUs, wat
1716985;1506312938;asciilifeform;troo hardworkers, candidates for tenure.
1716986;1506312952;mircea_popescu;indisputably.
1716987;1506331168;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : each and everyone politician abscam put in jail (bout 30 or so) were... democrats. the party of corruption survived!
1716988;1506331788;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/prince-of-the-city/ << Trilema - Prince of the City
1716989;1506332621;mircea_popescu;aand in yet more lulz : cancer incidence increased in us adolescents by a steady 0.5 - 0.6% per year, each year, since 1975.
1716990;1506332631;mircea_popescu;GOOD THING THEY STOPPED 2ND HAND SMOKING!!!
1716991;1506354074;BingoBoingo;Oh, qntra seems not up from here
1716992;1506354164;diana_coman;seems down from here too fwiw
1716993;1506354227;trinque;dns error on my end. IP up?
1716994;1506354409;shinohai;I can't reach qntra either, get SERVFAIL reply
1716995;1506354658;lobbes;DNS error on my end as well
1716996;1506356705;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-25#1716991 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714469
1716997;1506356705;a111;Logged on 2017-09-25 15:41 BingoBoingo: Oh, qntra seems not up from here
1716998;1506356705;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 21:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714333 << much chance of survival, seeing how a state of necessity was just declared, and absent servers there's no digital.
1716999;1506356745;mircea_popescu;as they say back at teh idle ranch, "it's only been ten days, what, that's not even two weeks (tm)!!!"
1717000;1506357518;asciilifeform;dulap is up, fwiw
1717001;1506357587;mircea_popescu;ahaha.
1717002;1506357602;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-24#1716863 << same place, you realise.
1717003;1506357602;a111;Logged on 2017-09-24 16:41 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, CAN YOU FUCKING BELIEVE phuctor is still on ?
1717004;1506357664;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : google spent a quarter billion dollars worth of its govt's printouts on "corporate diversity". the results are not exactly zero
1717005;1506357675;mircea_popescu;in the sense that apparently there's less black chix coding at google now than before.
1717006;1506357718;mircea_popescu;leaving aside https://www.dhillonlaw.com/blog/news/have-you-experienced-illegal-employment-practices-at-google/ lulz
1717007;1506357739;mircea_popescu;(tl;dr : nigger jew faggots at google conspired to hinder anyone not of nigger jew faggot political persuasions.)
1717008;1506357954;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz from elaine ou : "ripple", which apparently is an entity that scammed wall street "investors" out of 55mn "investment" managed to write "R3" which is a sort of nothing in particular an XRP option worth supposedly a billion (admitting ripple the fake coin is worth anything) and while they can't back out of it, there's legal wrangling lulz : https://elaineou.com/2017/09/20/r3-should-just-buy-ripple/
1717009;1506358008;shinohai;It will soar in value to a whole 25 cents per!!!!!
1717010;1506358056;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-25#1717002 << well yes same place, hence oddity
1717011;1506358056;a111;Logged on 2017-09-25 16:40 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-24#1716863 << same place, you realise.
1717012;1506358500;asciilifeform;re qntra, i get a ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED -- which is not consistent with the 'box finally thrown out' picture
1717013;1506358570;mircea_popescu;yes if the local zone is deleted.
1717014;1506358575;asciilifeform;hm yea
1717015;1506358630;mircea_popescu;was 46.166.170.207 ; dun respond
1717016;1506358657;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl.
1717017;1506359553;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1717018;1506359560;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3914.98, vol: 13514.60247765 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3908.7, vol: 37620.46954242 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3805.2, vol: 1318.80590000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3913.6, vol: 4258.15951396 | Volume-weighted last average: 3908.15761558
1717019;1506360369;trinque;but the chicoms banned bitcoin?
1717020;1506360778;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-24#1716874 << this is neato btw
1717021;1506360778;a111;Logged on 2017-09-24 22:51 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-22#1716721 << tests so far look great http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/e6fuo/?raw=true ; awaiting the full 1gb and then I'll publish results.
1717022;1506360985;BingoBoingo;!!up cruciform
1717023;1506360986;deedbot;cruciform voiced for 30 minutes.
1717024;1506361001;cruciform;hi! I'm having trouble self-voicing with deedbot
1717025;1506361017;cruciform;I've registered my key, but it won't let me !!up
1717026;1506361035;trinque;!!rate cruciform 1 New blood.
1717027;1506361037;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IiHuI/?raw=true
1717028;1506361050;trinque;!!v 81E30B82ECBDFE45C9F242FA25D0A46CA3735FEE944CA3D7450C0B4956576428
1717029;1506361050;deedbot;trinque rated cruciform 1 << New blood.
1717030;1506361054;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot cruciform
1717031;1506361054;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1717032;1506361060;cruciform;thanks!
1717033;1506361062;trinque;cruciform: give it a try now.
1717034;1506361066;trinque;!!down
1717035;1506361096;trinque;lol, whoops.
1717036;1506361100;trinque;!!down cruciform
1717037;1506361468;asciilifeform;btw did i ever print the rated power consumption of a FUCKGOATS ?
1717038;1506361477;asciilifeform;it's 80mA @ 5v .
1717039;1506361493;asciilifeform;( average, naturally )
1717040;1506361573;asciilifeform;in practice, this means that an unpowered usb hub should be able to support 6 of'em without problems.
1717041;1506361681;mod6;that's what you use to test in parallel right?
1717042;1506361693;asciilifeform;mod6: i typically use powered hubs
1717043;1506361715;asciilifeform;one of the items i am currently working on is a fully-automatic FG tester
1717044;1506361727;asciilifeform;at the moment, the process is only semi-automatic.
1717045;1506362022;asciilifeform;linux kernel ( all the varieties i've tried ) seems to have a serious ( and wholly undocumented ) problem with > 7 serial devices .
1717046;1506362044;asciilifeform;transfer rate on 8th and above, slows to a kB/s or so
1717047;1506362057;asciilifeform;( where the buffered bits go -- devil only knows )
1717048;1506362089;mod6;<+asciilifeform> one of the items i am currently working on is a fully-automatic FG tester << ahh cool.
1717049;1506362105;mod6;<+asciilifeform> transfer rate on 8th and above, slows to a kB/s or so << ugh.
1717050;1506362166;asciilifeform;mod6: the interesting bit is the -- afaik -- total absence of public discussion. because -- evidently -- Only A Terrorist (tm)(r) would use 8+ serial devices on pc.
1717051;1506363094;mircea_popescu;who would you expect to use 8+, the usual appletard/tablethead/who exactly ?
1717052;1506363107;mircea_popescu;i expect more people complain of the chip color than of this.
1717053;1506363119;asciilifeform;appletard has problem even with 1 serialport
1717054;1506363130;mircea_popescu;so to him this seems heaven
1717055;1506363132;asciilifeform;( iirc somebody here tried )
1717056;1506363210;*;mircea_popescu now trying guatemala's ron (colonial).
1717057;1506363222;mircea_popescu;tis exactly as i recall it from the mid 2000s.
1717058;1506363226;asciilifeform;the part i find interesting is that it is -- apparently -- impossible to use a current pc in the way, e.g., pdp11 was used - as box with two dozen + serial ttys hanging off
1717059;1506363270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty sure you could sit down a multi-usb hub unit in the card slot
1717060;1506363285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it dun work at rated speed
1717061;1506363291;asciilifeform;regardless of where you put the ports
1717062;1506363295;asciilifeform;kernel issue
1717063;1506363307;mircea_popescu;haven't trierd
1717064;1506363309;asciilifeform;i have a 9-port pcie card, same thing
1717065;1506363325;asciilifeform;iron serial ports apparently count towards the total
1717066;1506363332;asciilifeform;(not a usb-specific thing)
1717067;1506363346;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1717068;1506363364;asciilifeform;likely some idiocy in the interrupt handlers
1717069;1506363391;trinque;^ wd
1717070;1506363440;cruciform;long time Windows derper - getting there!
1717071;1506363480;mircea_popescu;at any rate, if anyone cares : centenario anejo 25 yo (costa rica) > diplomatico r. exclusiva (venezuela) > colonial artesanal (guatemala) > centenario run of the bar > flor de cana (nicaragua).
1717072;1506363490;mircea_popescu;cruciform how did you end up here ?
1717073;1506363522;cruciform;I've been reading the logs+your guys' blogs
1717074;1506363526;shinohai;Is mircea_popescu sampling rums of CA ?
1717075;1506363530;mircea_popescu;shinohai aha.
1717076;1506363567;mircea_popescu;cruciform so what do you do ?
1717077;1506363568;*;shinohai tried some Colonial Artesanal in Guatemala .....
1717078;1506363578;cruciform;I look at cards and hope they're good
1717079;1506363584;mircea_popescu;the one with the leather corset for the bottleneck for some unknown reason ?
1717080;1506363604;mircea_popescu;cruciform where, like in macau ?
1717081;1506363621;cruciform;nah, Macau games have been bad for a while - London and LA, mostly
1717082;1506363660;shinohai;Yes mircea_popescu .... when one finishes the bottle lovely Guatemalan maidens tie it to your dick and ride .... xD
1717083;1506363660;mircea_popescu;i c
1717084;1506363670;cruciform;but I've been busy up until recently with the whole BCH nonsense
1717085;1506363716;mircea_popescu;heh
1717086;1506363720;cruciform;next up is transferring my BTC to some sane paper wallet solution - I've been using Armory thus far
1717087;1506363728;mircea_popescu;lol
1717088;1506363732;ben_vulpes;cruciform: didja catch the armory fail?
1717089;1506363733;asciilifeform;London and LA << you wouldn't by any chance know the fella in old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709226 ?
1717090;1506363733;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 21:41 Barbarossa_: I'm a professsional poker player from the UK
1717091;1506363735;cruciform;and after the SSS botching, I need to change the setup
1717092;1506363736;mircea_popescu;every step of the way huh.
1717093;1506363746;cruciform;yea, that's me
1717094;1506363757;asciilifeform;cruciform == Barbarossa_ ?
1717095;1506363761;asciilifeform;aite
1717096;1506363761;cruciform;yea
1717097;1506363790;cruciform;I read Pete's guide to bitaddress.org
1717098;1506363806;cruciform;but I'm not qualified to audit the code of that site
1717099;1506363862;cruciform;http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/14/on-making-high-entropy-bitcoin-paper-wallets/ is this still the way to go?
1717100;1506363894;asciilifeform;i'm partial to well-made electric rng
1717101;1506363919;cruciform;I'll be ordering a FG soon; got some casino dice for now
1717102;1506363954;cruciform;it's just that bitaddress.org is a black box to me
1717103;1506363976;mircea_popescu;lol soon eh ?
1717104;1506363987;asciilifeform;running crypto routines via browser is monumentally dumb idea
1717105;1506363988;cruciform;well, I'd like to get my BTC out of Armory ASAP
1717106;1506364000;asciilifeform;every time you visit a www pg, potentially you get something new.
1717107;1506364067;cruciform;gotcha, so how should one convert his entropy to BTC private keys?
1717108;1506364126;mircea_popescu;i imagine the idea with browser stuff is you just save the javascript. as close to "compile locally, fucktard" as the redditard generation can possibly get -- guaranteed success through a browser-compiler of approximately-integer language.
1717109;1506365308;shinohai;SoldierOfFortune: plox to fix your connection or get a bnc
1717110;1506365762;mircea_popescu;eh actually, why bother.
1717111;1506365844;shinohai;Well more than one way to skin a cat
1717112;1506365847;*;asciilifeform chopped down an oak with an ordinary ax today, and inescapably thought of BingoBoingo's wurk
1717113;1506365887;mircea_popescu;ropes and errything ?
1717114;1506365899;asciilifeform;was maybe 6 m. tall, no rope
1717115;1506365907;asciilifeform;but oughta have done it back when it was a wire cutter job
1717116;1506365911;asciilifeform;there is some sort of moral here.
1717117;1506365918;mircea_popescu;ah.
1717118;1506365927;mircea_popescu;oak, you know, 6m AROUND.
1717119;1506365937;asciilifeform;we have one of those. from it, the 'weeds' grow.
1717120;1506365961;mircea_popescu;aha.
1717121;1506365984;mircea_popescu;oak encounter is actually how a lot of pine lumberjacks get fucked
1717122;1506365991;mircea_popescu;apparently it "doesn't fall correctly" or somesuch
1717123;1506366014;asciilifeform;and i finally can picture how
1717124;1506366017;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> oak encounter is actually how a lot of pine lumberjacks get fucked << And collects dead limbs in canopy!
1717125;1506366019;asciilifeform;even based on this scale model
1717126;1506366031;asciilifeform;it has strong fibres, they sorta bend, it breaks not in the expected spot
1717127;1506366075;mircea_popescu;aha.
1717128;1506366205;BingoBoingo;tis a good property for reflecting cannonshot
1717129;1506366398;shinohai;Looks like the Weiner gets 21 months in a chastity cage.
1717130;1506366415;mircea_popescu;who ?
1717131;1506366565;BingoBoingo;Huma Abedin's husband
1717132;1506366590;ben_vulpes;"I wanted to see if he was still up to his old tricks"
1717133;1506366617;ben_vulpes;http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-weiner-sentence-20170925-story.html
1717134;1506366719;BingoBoingo;"Cote acknowledged those efforts in her sentencing remarks. Still, she said, it was important to use his case as a deterrent to other would-be child abusers."
1717135;1506366721;ben_vulpes;i'm still waiting for the case where the sting agent claims to be 18 but then the dood gets locked up because he never checked her id or some shit and the agent was really playing a fifteen year old who was just pretending to be an eighteen year old
1717136;1506366867;mircea_popescu;it's... coming.
1717137;1506366955;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: That's all of them
1717138;1506368427;mircea_popescu;!#s ro15-4513
1717139;1506368427;a111;0 results for "ro15-4513", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ro15-4513
1717140;1506368439;mircea_popescu;hm. i thought surely we did the "Secret alcohol antidote" thing.
1717141;1506368468;mircea_popescu;after all, what other basis in fact is there for all the "one weird trick they don't want you to know" / "the gubmint is supressing the water car" etc
1717142;1506368717;BingoBoingo;Oh?
1717143;1506369761;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we did
1717144;1506369765;asciilifeform;it was a yarchive thread
1717145;1506369773;mircea_popescu;ah
1717146;1506369865;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-06#1089606 << possible thread
1717147;1506369865;a111;Logged on 2015-04-06 01:34 asciilifeform: 'palcohol' << anyone remember when they banned the etoh antidote ?
1717148;1506369921;BingoBoingo;AH
1717149;1506370082;asciilifeform;'Roche never commercialized this drug due to ethical & liability concerns. It would be useful in emergency room settings where physicians neede to communicate with intoxicated accident victims. But there was too much concern about it getting diverted to become a 'party drug.''
1717150;1506370250;mircea_popescu;the whole "can't prosecute me for drunk driving, i popped a magic pill" angle was just too much to swallow
1717151;1506370376;asciilifeform;the 'gotta prosecute for impairment, regardless of whether from drink or not sleeping, rather than litmus' was evidently too much to puritanswallow
1717152;1506370437;asciilifeform;( recall also mircea_popescu's article re the fat train riders . )
1717153;1506370485;mircea_popescu;they demand their exam papers to cheat for god dang it!
1717154;1506370500;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/the-peak-of-insanity iirc
1717155;1506370527;asciilifeform;ftr, 'No, they don't have ads in the subway going "fat women are an insult to society", no they don't have steel bars at the entryways to make it impossible for the overweight to get in and bother people. Instead, they derp about "manspreading". Why this and not that ? Because while they are both intentional actions of responsible agents, the decision of the man to stretch is right there, whereas the decision of the woman to overeat
1717156;1506370527;asciilifeform;is one step removed. That's all. That's the way the nazist state works...'
1717157;1506370693;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/jW1pv << in the plebepress.
1717158;1506371062;asciilifeform;!#s felonious fortification
1717159;1506371063;a111;3 results for "felonious fortification", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=felonious%20fortification
1717160;1506371069;asciilifeform;^ fans of al schwartz will recognize
1717161;1506371127;asciilifeform;in particular http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671451 .
1717162;1506371127;a111;Logged on 2017-06-17 17:35 asciilifeform: elsewhere in uncleal, 'The FDA screamed "felonious fortification" when makers of cheap fortified wines wanted to add thiamine to prevent alcoholic neuropathy caused by thiamine malabsorption.'
1717163;1506371567;asciilifeform;and re dulap : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dump_9_25_17.gz ( sha512: 886a750d8c1bc8a4e254824a267a407e651e31dce62aa29e2c85c07dfd6e25921671742d6c775df5ea2d065068d579a7e5922b4c36b0d263a7972afc10194164 )
1717164;1506371576;asciilifeform;^ latest.
1717165;1506371629;asciilifeform;^ not massively different from prev snapshot, but here it is.
1717166;1506371799;mircea_popescu;more different now than a second before, apparently it didn't have elaine ou's pgp eithyer, notwithstanding it's on mit sks
1717167;1506371829;asciilifeform;is it rsa key ??
1717168;1506371854;mircea_popescu;yes
1717169;1506371860;asciilifeform;link ?
1717170;1506371881;asciilifeform;nm found
1717171;1506371887;mircea_popescu;a kk
1717172;1506371891;mircea_popescu;was just fishing it out lol
1717173;1506371909;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26209E74B2F34ACE5BC63F5904F41598FFD0D0A468CF4C5F63A285D62C7024B2 for record
1717174;1506371929;mircea_popescu;it'll be sad indeed once phuctor goes away, currently serves as gazette of record of rsa pubkeys.
1717175;1506372006;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: post the sks link plox
1717176;1506372012;asciilifeform;i'm rather curious re why it was not snarfed
1717177;1506372029;mircea_popescu;possibly because may 2016 creation
1717178;1506372034;mircea_popescu;iirc we only ran it in 2015ish
1717179;1506372035;asciilifeform;that'd do it.
1717180;1506372041;asciilifeform;apr 2016 latest actually
1717181;1506372047;mircea_popescu;ah. month off huh. well then
1717182;1506372081;*;asciilifeform at one point put in some sweat to make a real-time sks feeding thing, but junked it when found that it requires ASSENT on peering ends to work
1717183;1506372096;mircea_popescu;i rtecall the whiole convo
1717184;1506372102;asciilifeform;aha, in the l0gz somewhere.
1717185;1506372137;mircea_popescu;!~later tell valentinbuza plox no more join/part spam.
1717186;1506372137;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1717187;1506373632;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/25/american-football-is-over/ << Bingo Blog - (American) Football Is Over
1717188;1506377709;mircea_popescu;damn this cigar is a fucking great smoke.
1717189;1506377740;cruciform;what is it? I enjoyed a Romeo+Juliet last week
1717190;1506377741;mircea_popescu;presentation suggestion : one montecristo, aside one part fresh milk to one part centenario cafe (coffee liqueur in rum spirits, fucking fabulous).
1717191;1506377798;mircea_popescu;movie about inept us revolutionaries of the 40s optional.
1717192;1506378108;mircea_popescu;(daniel, lumet movie, about these "isaacson" couple and their spawn, a sort of rosenberg lite)
1717193;1506380078;BingoBoingo;In classic Trilemas of the re-readings http://trilema.com/2013/requiem-for-a-dream/
1717194;1506380269;mircea_popescu;great one huh.
1717195;1506380396;BingoBoingo;Prolly the Trilema movie review which most comprehensively summarizes the context of the film
1717196;1506380426;mircea_popescu;goes great with http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/diana3.jpg ; tho i expect you need an expert to spot the dialated pupils.
1717197;1506380477;mircea_popescu;who else can take a flash to the eyelid like that, but the teen slut.
1717198;1506380497;BingoBoingo;Well, practice and timeliness
1717199;1506380606;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/0TMj5 << meanwhile in brittardia >> 'As part of their enquiries, detectives seized Rabbani’s mobile phone and laptop for the purpose of examining it, but Rabbani repeatedly refused to provide passwords for the devices to officers. ... Subsequently, the officers arrested him on suspicion of wilfully obstructing or seeking to frustrate an examination or search under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000 ... He was t
1717200;1506380607;asciilifeform;oday sentenced to 12 months’ conditional discharge and ordered to pay a £620 fine'
1717201;1506381629;mircea_popescu;eh, uk african lulz. who cares really ?
1717202;1506382041;asciilifeform;iirc there are l1 folx, even, still there.
1717203;1506382061;asciilifeform;( and possibly whoever thinks 'i'll connect via heathrow'. badidea. )
1717204;1506382118;mircea_popescu;i imagine the day is not far removed in the future where idiostani residence is absolute bar to l1.
1717205;1506382131;mircea_popescu;for that matter, sitting on ass during natural disaster is just as much absolute bar to l1.
1717206;1506382185;asciilifeform;natural disaster ?
1717207;1506382225;mircea_popescu;but in other lulz : i idly considered checking out jamaica for a week or so. a) THERE IS NO BOAT SERVICE. fucking period. can you believe this inept shit ?! and b) idjits wanna connect through... miami. atlanta. FUCKING NEW YORK, someone actyually said this to me with a straight face, "sure, flight is 10 hours, sjo to la guardia and la guardia to kin".
1717208;1506382259;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714469 ; i dunno how oft i'll have to repeat this, but, comparatively, katrina was a minor concern.
1717209;1506382259;a111;Logged on 2017-09-14 21:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714333 << much chance of survival, seeing how a state of necessity was just declared, and absent servers there's no digital.
1717210;1506382273;asciilifeform;aa
1717211;1506382279;mircea_popescu;how exactly am i going to go "hey, he did nothing during state of necessity, but still should be in l1". because why the fuck ?
1717212;1506382292;asciilifeform;normally i think of word 'natural' as something else.
1717213;1506382294;mircea_popescu;let him move over to #hplusplus or wherever the fucktards gather to do nothing self-importantly.
1717214;1506382296;asciilifeform;that there's enemy fire
1717215;1506382300;mircea_popescu;stupidity is natural.
1717216;1506382354;asciilifeform;'where were you in june of 41' (tm)(r)
1717217;1506382444;mircea_popescu;quite fuckign exactly.
1717218;1506382486;mircea_popescu;except, of course, this is more like a levy. "oh i know, i'll argue with mp about building levies in 2015, as if that's fucking permissible now, arguing with mp ; and then in 2016 and then whoops, the obvious natural occurence took us by total suprise!!11"
1717219;1506382758;asciilifeform;iirc in '15 the 'hosters are all shit for the same reason as miners, they are -ev to operate without scammitude, so change'em like condoms' school of thought was still strong.
1717220;1506382768;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Pvvul/?raw=true
1717221;1506382768;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1717222;1506382772;BingoBoingo;brb, sobertime
1717223;1506382847;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RZZNy/?raw=true
1717224;1506383022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform twas nonsense then as now.
1717225;1506383317;mircea_popescu;(for the curious, teeny slut above is from http://trilema.com/2010/masa-monetara/ which is part of a larger likbez on economics that i'm rather proud of)
1717226;1506383340;*;asciilifeform honing his ro-fu, reads...
1717227;1506384340;asciilifeform;in other lulz,     "GET /faq HTTP/1.1" 200 8124 "http://milrev-rannub.urbit.org/~~/talk/"
1717228;1506385000;mircea_popescu;dojos now ?
1717229;1506385021;mircea_popescu;they're never going to run out of other people's words to try and steal and sell, are they.
1717230;1506385033;mircea_popescu;fucking hot topic, "and THIS is a pirate" "no, it's not" "19.95"
1717231;1506385209;asciilifeform;pretty sure they've by nao stolen every single word in anglodictionary, up to 5 letters an' counting
1717232;1506385346;mod6;https://koinswag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/MPSilver.png
1717233;1506385378;asciilifeform;lol!
1717234;1506385381;mircea_popescu;kek what is that in the background, rocket launchers ?
1717235;1506385393;asciilifeform;do we know who was this maker
1717236;1506385416;mircea_popescu;i vaguely recall tshirts being made at points
1717237;1506385418;mod6;no idea, it's been around for a while tho...
1717238;1506385435;mircea_popescu;tho tbh i'd prefer it modeled on tits.
1717239;1506385438;asciilifeform;https://koinswag.com/shop/bitcoin-t-shirt/mpex-bitcoin-t-shirt/ apparently also
1717240;1506385594;deedbot;http://trinque.org/2017/09/25/fuckgoats-tested/ << trinque - FUCKGOATS tested
1717241;1506385615;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj!!
1717242;1506385646;mod6;i like the mpex shirt too hehe.  but aha, tits would be sweet.
1717243;1506385658;mod6;MPEx = ( . Y . )
1717244;1506385659;mod6;or something
1717245;1506385699;asciilifeform;btw ain't it riotously scandalous that the dieharder d00d never showed up here ?
1717246;1506385721;asciilifeform;i and iirc a few other folx -- wrote
1717247;1506385778;mod6;yeah, would have been proper.
1717248;1506385797;shinohai;!#s http://www.ru.j-npcs.org/usoft/WWW/HOWTO/mini/Clock
1717249;1506385797;a111;0 results for "http://www.ru.j-npcs.org/usoft/WWW/HOWTO/mini/Clock", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ru.j-npcs.org%2Fusoft%2FWWW%2FHOWTO%2Fmini%2FClock
1717250;1506385811;mircea_popescu;this "i'm more important than the world" is the easiest delusion.
1717251;1506385822;mircea_popescu;they're by their nature sweet, but this one's like truffles to the pigs.
1717252;1506385933;asciilifeform;trinque: updated FG www with link to your review.
1717253;1506385938;asciilifeform;this makes 3 .
1717254;1506385974;trinque;cheers
1717255;1506386068;mod6;nice trinque
1717256;1506386475;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting to hear of somebody other than myself, doing the yoke test
1717257;1506386521;asciilifeform;because -- unsurprise, i hope -- if yer FUCKGOATS were replaced with an identical-looking ftmeadegoats en route, it would pass (perhaps even 'prettier') the dh, ent, etc tests, as the original
1717258;1506386544;asciilifeform;even after being lethally boobytrapped.
1717259;1506386588;asciilifeform;another suggested experiment for FG owners is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1703042 .
1717260;1506386588;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 17:16 asciilifeform: btw you can make this right now by attaching 2 hg tilt switches to a fg , 1 on each end ( b/w the middle and the +v pins )
1717261;1506386831;asciilifeform;^ incidentally : if you can get hall-effect switches, these will work even better ( the important thing is for whatever switch to be 'bounce-less', contact-bouncing creates predictable, in theory, temporal patterns )
1717262;1506386957;asciilifeform;( back to yoke test -- it is somewhat tricky, you need ~very~ good cabling, and very short, for the clocks to sync properly )
1717263;1506387063;asciilifeform;FG-II rng will prolly have 4 pins, 1 for shifter pulse, to make yoking ultra-easy at ~0 cost.
1717264;1506387240;asciilifeform;ANOTHER useful advice to every fg owner is to verify that the cpld shitstream in yer unit, is in fact == to the one asciilifeform signed.
1717265;1506387280;mod6;asciilifeform: so far, i've only gone to the extent of unplugging both RNG-TWs and ensuring that the SAD lamp does what it should.
1717266;1506387282;asciilifeform;i'd be surprised if anybody's, at this early point, isn't... but this is by far the cheapest and easiest method for enemy to tamper, and leaves 0 physical trace
1717267;1506387358;mircea_popescu;"Chi square distribution for 1048576000 samples is 217.95, and randomly would exceed this value 95.52 percent of the times."
1717268;1506387380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the torture room , i get a pretty flat distrib of chisqr values
1717269;1506387386;mircea_popescu;me2
1717270;1506387386;mod6;that's in the 'suspect' range no?
1717271;1506387388;mircea_popescu;wtf is this
1717272;1506387407;mircea_popescu;Monte Carlo value for Pi is 3.141491330 (error 0.00 percent).
1717273;1506387409;asciilifeform;i see 5 ... 95 range approx. flatly.
1717274;1506387418;mircea_popescu;!~calc (3.141491330 - pi)/pi * 100
1717275;1506387419;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (3.141491330 - pi)/pi * 100 = -0.0032252300334771494
1717276;1506387438;mircea_popescu;!~calc pi
1717277;1506387439;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: pi = 3.141592653589793
1717278;1506387457;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: technically the idjit util is right tho, it's below 0.01% err
1717279;1506387468;*;mod6 checks his results
1717280;1506387476;mircea_popescu;ya.
1717281;1506387497;mircea_popescu;counterintuitvely, the 4th decimal of pi should be within a 100th of a 100th
1717282;1506387532;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660236 << oblig thread
1717283;1506387532;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 01:04 asciilifeform: asciilifeform used 'dieharder' to reject a handful of screamingly defective analogue units , but currently isn't sure that it's good for much re a ~working~ one
1717284;1506387534;mod6;I had one result that was 10%, the rest 25%-50% : http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg-test.html
1717285;1506387557;mircea_popescu;anyway, item seems fine.
1717286;1506387629;asciilifeform;it chronically bothers asciilifeform , that there is actually nothing to compare fg to
1717287;1506387641;asciilifeform;unlike literally every other instrument i have
1717288;1506387654;mircea_popescu;heh. count your blessings.
1717289;1506387832;mircea_popescu;and in other epic pix : http://files.cinemacenter.ir/images/0b1m007w1zswc6qjspdg.jpg check out the lt checking out the ukr slut while she's going "omfg, are there more coming still ? this will be a long night."
1717290;1506388031;mod6;get your wienerschnitzels ready
1717291;1506388037;mircea_popescu;!!up eo
1717292;1506388038;deedbot;eo voiced for 30 minutes.
1717293;1506388053;mircea_popescu;hey.
1717294;1506388059;eo;hullo
1717295;1506388083;mircea_popescu;!!register your key ftr.
1717296;1506388083;deedbot;6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 is already registered as mircea_popescu.
1717297;1506388138;mircea_popescu;then ill rate you and you'll be able to self-voice.
1717298;1506388162;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform chick came by in march and then a few days ago, my records show, none of you hardasses thought to up her.
1717299;1506388183;asciilifeform;ain't n00bz supposed to pm somebody an' ask ?
1717300;1506388198;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1717301;1506388204;mircea_popescu;eo so what do you know of teh republic ?
1717302;1506388260;eo;@mircea_popescu only what i read in your blog posts
1717303;1506388337;mircea_popescu;i see. soo... wanna argue about anything ?
1717304;1506388373;eo;that's tough. i'm only here because i already agree with most of your content.
1717305;1506388436;mircea_popescu;weird, we dun generally find much fault with yours, notwitstanding in theory we should!
1717306;1506388924;mircea_popescu;!!up elaineo
1717307;1506388924;deedbot;elaineo voiced for 30 minutes.
1717308;1506390291;asciilifeform;meanwhile, vex writes in, in au, with https://archive.is/Pyln1 : 'One of the country's top universities has warned maths students not to use the term 'marriage' when referring to a well-known theorem because the word may cause 'offence.''
1717309;1506390755;mircea_popescu;why would anyone stick around after that is incomprehensible.
1717310;1506392927;danielpbarron;!!key cruciform
1717311;1506392929;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/4E18288CAA6A98F4C51066053B6F4A8387D54AC6.asc
1717312;1506393307;danielpbarron;!~later tell cruciform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/u5Dhj/?raw=true
1717313;1506393307;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1717314;1506395846;asciilifeform;in other lullies, https://www.ebay.com/i/232493884604
1717315;1506396167;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f2zCx/?raw=true
1717316;1506396167;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1717317;1506396872;BingoBoingo;https://gensteel.com/steel-building-kits/strip-malls << Anyone know a place to plop one of these outside NATO near transit cable to make datacenter?
1717318;1506397097;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: http://www.apc.com/shop/us/en/products/Prefabricated-IT-Data-Hall-500kW-97-Racks-Perimeter-CW-Cooling-Mod-Distrib-480V-60Hz/P-PFMIEA500C2N097A perhaps a more suitable prefab?
1717319;1506397185;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Prefab strip mall has shorter walk to coffee shop, provided a coffee data tenant rents space
1717320;1506397287;ben_vulpes;it is a sad truth that all data centers i have been in have sadder coffee production facilities than even starbucks.
1717321;1506397297;ben_vulpes;also use windows. also in usshitistan.
1717322;1506397545;BingoBoingo;Really [coffee shop][datacenter (studio apartment carveout)][scooter dealer] is imagined layout
1717323;1506397550;BingoBoingo;for the moment
1717324;1506397676;BingoBoingo;If locale has enough people who feel entitled to protective road cage to justify 4-wheel dealership, locale prolly sucks for building building
1717325;1506397818;ben_vulpes;under that analysis, should probably do fork/heavy equipment/rental+dealership instead of scooter dealership
1717326;1506397859;BingoBoingo;Nah, the customers there are demanding and suspicious. Not to mention keeps existential threats to datacenter too close.
1717327;1506397871;BingoBoingo;Re-reading of the moment http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/
1717328;1506397900;ben_vulpes;existential threats, yes, but in their docile state!
1717329;1506397938;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Few have meaningful locks on them. Only docile because passerby have anxiety about starting up unattented equipment.
1717330;1506398033;BingoBoingo;Anyways, it's hard to meaningfully lock a door when excavator sleeps within 100 yards of door. Doesn't leave much time to take position with anti-materiel rifle before it closes range
1717331;1506398056;ben_vulpes;lol ok ok
1717332;1506398090;BingoBoingo;While scooters produce delicious 2-stroke exhaust and help the pobre commute within their substantial means
1717333;1506398091;ben_vulpes;not like it would be hard to wire keypads into them if they still don't have meaningful locks.
1717334;1506398155;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Most heavy equipment starts by holding hidden button while pressing "start button", Or turning key shapped ignition switch while holding hidden button
1717335;1506398213;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: asciilifeform's father's auto in ye olde su, had one of these
1717336;1506398231;asciilifeform;'seekrit' starter-enbl button
1717337;1506398253;asciilifeform;to this day i have nfi wtf was the point
1717338;1506398310;asciilifeform;iirc it had to be clicked a magic # of times, or rhythm, or somesuch
1717339;1506398342;mod6;lot of the bobcats i've seen recently have a 10-key pad to enter a code before it can be started.
1717340;1506398344;asciilifeform;ritualistic voodoo-hoodoo-hex against thieves
1717341;1506398364;mod6;older ones though...
1717342;1506398366;mod6;lol
1717343;1506398459;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: These are more typically. Hold button, trivial test of "familiar with idea of heavy equipment or not"
1717344;1506400005;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cool.
1717345;1506400082;mircea_popescu;anti-materiel rifle srsly ?
1717346;1506400119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform against small children.
1717347;1506400141;mircea_popescu;the logic is sound : hominid sufficiently advanced to understand trickery of hidden button should also be sufficiently advanced to not crash it.
1717348;1506400177;ben_vulpes;random entertaining systemderps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1449001
1717349;1506400204;mod6;Ada Field Report: 1) Perl is fast. 2) Working with Strings.Fixed, oofda. 3) Verify Seals works!
1717350;1506400224;mircea_popescu;in similar systemg news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a2dad8c30f1ba72c0d93eb811f214a07/tumblr_oq76wrXI9V1usy7s5o1_500.gif
1717351;1506400251;mod6;my eyes
1717352;1506400252;mircea_popescu;mod6> Ada Field Report: 1) Perl is fast. <<< dat discreet trollage
1717353;1506400261;mod6;lol
1717354;1506400494;mircea_popescu;!!key elaineo
1717355;1506400494;deedbot;Not registered.
1717356;1506400498;mircea_popescu;!!up elaineo
1717357;1506400498;deedbot;elaineo voiced for 30 minutes.
1717358;1506400504;mircea_popescu;!!help
1717359;1506400504;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1717360;1506400507;mircea_popescu;elaineo ^
1717361;1506400541;ben_vulpes;ohai elaineo
1717362;1506400554;elaineo;hai (registering nick now)
1717363;1506400595;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> random entertaining systemderps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1449001 << fall back to getting googholed huh?
1717364;1506400628;*;mircea_popescu would propose writing for qntra, but sadly qntra encountered an arrow to the knee
1717365;1506400681;elaineo;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wGuML/?raw=true
1717366;1506400683;deedbot;197174F8BC084AFB0532FFC3885B7AF2D2264BC0 registered as elaineo.
1717367;1506400747;mircea_popescu;!!rate elaineo 2 somehow manages to write unirritatingly while also academia. i have yet no theory as to how this is possible.
1717368;1506400749;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uWgqM/?raw=true
1717369;1506400767;mircea_popescu;!!v D4088521A7610AB73BAEDE6391EB686B1BDAD174263DFECC60AD9707A0674ECD
1717370;1506400767;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated elaineo 2 << somehow manages to write unirritatingly while also academia. i have yet no theory as to how this is possible.
1717371;1506400775;elaineo;left academia 5 years ago
1717372;1506400783;mircea_popescu;4evar & evar ?!
1717373;1506400799;elaineo;yeah, i didn't get tenure
1717374;1506400815;mircea_popescu;wouldn't that be moar like it left you ?
1717375;1506400837;elaineo;well, i feel better about myself if i say that i was the one who left
1717376;1506400846;mircea_popescu;does it suck to not get tenure ?
1717377;1506400851;elaineo;it sucks a lot
1717378;1506400856;mircea_popescu;whyssat ?
1717379;1506400895;elaineo;cuz i spent a dozen years thinking that that would be my ultimate achievement in life
1717380;1506400916;mircea_popescu;to my mind it's a lot like abusive drunk with halitosis who also makes no money coming home one night to announce he wants a divorce.
1717381;1506400934;mircea_popescu;rather good news.
1717382;1506400941;elaineo;perhaps, but it's YOUR abusive drunk
1717383;1506400960;mircea_popescu;if they knew how to sell it, they'd be wondering why no men in academia rather than the current nonsense.
1717384;1506401000;elaineo;to be fair, it's a socially respectable career that doesn't require any serious work
1717385;1506401017;mircea_popescu;anyway. i spent one semester teaching myself. it helped a lot that i was one year junior to the people i was teaching and had great relationship with provost.
1717386;1506401021;mircea_popescu;but honestly...
1717387;1506401088;elaineo;i don't think academia is as retarded as it's portrayed in MSM. they amplify the worst parts
1717388;1506401103;mircea_popescu;elaineo the sort of people to whom it is socially respectable would respect you a lot more for i dunno, a gucci bag.
1717389;1506401227;elaineo;it's not just the career success, it also comes with pretend-asceticism. like a greek philosopher-king
1717390;1506401253;mircea_popescu;anyway, so what do you do now, something in the vein of http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ ?
1717391;1506401492;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu would propose writing for qntra, but sadly qntra encountered an arrow to the knee << This is no obstacle to writing for qntra. Merely an obstacle to getting puslished on Qntra. While disaster awaits a resolution one can still write to target qntra and settle for publishing elsewhere.
1717392;1506401530;mircea_popescu;there;s this feedback loop for writers. it's great to write->publish->read. think of it as a special sort of ooda loop.
1717393;1506401556;elaineo;@mircea_popescu working at a run-of-the mill cash-burning silicon valley tech company? yes.
1717394;1506401602;mircea_popescu;i'd ask you if it sucks but then again...
1717395;1506401674;elaineo;it's awesome. it's like perpetual grade school out here.
1717396;1506401685;mircea_popescu;um.
1717397;1506401830;BingoBoingo;elaineo: Are they props? http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/02/dont_settle_for_the_man_you_wa.html
1717398;1506402106;elaineo;the "Marry Him" author is correct
1717399;1506402120;mircea_popescu;ah you don't know ballas ?
1717400;1506402126;elaineo;Feminists are busy cultivating props for future generations
1717401;1506402136;elaineo;ballas?
1717402;1506402147;mircea_popescu;christos ballas, author of the indeed very good tlp blog
1717403;1506402155;mircea_popescu;sadly he meanwhile retreated into the bottle.
1717404;1506402174;elaineo;no, first time reading this site
1717405;1506402198;mircea_popescu;hm, lessee what other common loci you might have missed.
1717406;1506402202;mircea_popescu;dja know oglaf ?
1717407;1506402213;elaineo;no, i did not
1717408;1506402218;mircea_popescu;o hey. so check it out,
1717409;1506402224;mircea_popescu;!#s oglafbot
1717410;1506402224;a111;26 results for "oglafbot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=oglafbot
1717411;1506402277;mircea_popescu;grr
1717412;1506402280;mircea_popescu;!#s from:oglafbot
1717413;1506402280;a111;91 results for "from:oglafbot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aoglafbot
1717414;1506402295;mircea_popescu;there we go. one of these days i'll even learn how all the tools work.
1717415;1506402358;mircea_popescu;to voice self say !!up to deedbot in pm, then decrypt the thing he gives tyou and say !!v to him with the otp
1717416;1506402553;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun
1717417;1506402583;mircea_popescu;and in other ancient lulz: https://elaineou.com/2009/04/03/advice-for-woman-seeking-500k-earning-man/
1717418;1506402610;mircea_popescu;check out the dumb broad, she imagines moneymaking scales, rich dude is going to get into the same arrangements with her as rando highschool boyfriend would.
1717419;1506402624;mircea_popescu;pro tip : rich guys take live-in slavegirls. doh.
1717420;1506402841;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/gaugamela/
1717421;1506403140;mircea_popescu;elaineo dja understand how the wot works ?
1717422;1506406968;elaineo;@mircea_popescu I understand how wots work in general, is there anything particular about the one for #trilema?
1717423;1506407056;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << you tell me.
1717424;1506407080;mircea_popescu;i've never encountered one that worked, outside of this one. but then again i lead a sheltered existence.
1717425;1506407364;elaineo;there was a dating service called coffee-meets-bagel that had a primitive version, not sure if they're still around
1717426;1506407499;elaineo;how is this wot stored?
1717427;1506407687;elaineo;!!wot
1717428;1506407704;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eZ4Yo/?raw=true
1717429;1506407722;mircea_popescu;any way you wish.
1717430;1506407762;elaineo;i see...
1717431;1506407768;mircea_popescu;(if you put links in channel they're automatically archived, as for instance  https://archive.is/btkJN for the above)
1717432;1506407844;mircea_popescu;deedbot also keeps a deeding service (think notarization for the new generation), backed by the full faith and credit of the bitcoin network.
1717433;1506407912;mircea_popescu;there's also the http://wot.deedbot.org/ visualiser ; but you can also make your own.
1717434;1506408361;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://elaineou.com/2014/12/18/how-radioshack-became-too-big-to-fail/ << check it out she (correctly) explains the radioshack mystery. fucking default swaps, hurr.
1717435;1506408869;elaineo;i've always felt that life insurance companies should be the ones paying for people's medical bills to keep them on life support.
1717436;1506408888;elaineo;incentives would be more aligned that way
1717437;1506408896;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the situation of flood insurance ?
1717438;1506408905;elaineo;no, what's up ?
1717439;1506408913;mircea_popescu;can't get any, it's not an economic activity.
1717440;1506408930;mircea_popescu;~same would happen with life insurance, this isn't the 1890s anymore and yidish is not spoken in the home.
1717441;1506408938;mircea_popescu;if they didn't obamacare-equivalent it, it wouldn't exist.
1717442;1506408977;elaineo;what do you mean it's not an economic activity? you mean it's not profitable for the insurance company?
1717443;1506409020;mircea_popescu;no, i mean it can not be undertaken economically.
1717444;1506409040;mircea_popescu;do you understand why computers and software are extempt from the general consumer protections ?
1717445;1506409063;elaineo;no
1717446;1506409111;mircea_popescu;consider the risk profile. if you elaine ou do terrible sex work, that is one pissed off customer who's going to get a free cocktail and a voucher for a chance to win an hour with kardashian.
1717447;1506409129;mircea_popescu;if on the other hand you elaine ou do terrible software work, that is EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER. there is no way a company can pay up.
1717448;1506409137;elaineo;okay, makes sense
1717449;1506409164;mircea_popescu;badly alligned risk profiles can turn something into a barren economic field.
1717450;1506409179;mircea_popescu;that's why wives aren't sold by open outcry, for instance.
1717451;1506409261;elaineo;aren't flood and life insurance companies only responsible for a single policy beneficiary?
1717452;1506409268;mircea_popescu;if it floods, it floods everyone.
1717453;1506409284;elaineo;okay, makes sense
1717454;1506409296;mircea_popescu;the problem with life insurance is more subtle, which is why it's not usually noticed
1717455;1506409299;mircea_popescu;by grad students.
1717456;1506409314;elaineo;are we expecting a pandemic or plague?
1717457;1506409326;mircea_popescu;anyway -- there's no way for a life insurance company to obtain an economic advantage over the competition. everyone has the same acturial tables.
1717458;1506409365;mircea_popescu;this means one of two things -- either they're run as state offices on the federal budget (which means they will turn from profitable to shit over a generation or two) or else they are run by rando scammers, trying to do the whole aluminum siding bit.
1717459;1506409466;elaineo;i guess in the current form it's a ponzi scheme like social security
1717460;1506409504;mircea_popescu;ie it's been run by govt (through some paper layers, but whatevs) for long enough to have turned to shit.
1717461;1506412445;mircea_popescu;!!up RagnarDanneskjol
1717462;1506412446;deedbot;RagnarDanneskjol voiced for 30 minutes.
1717463;1506412561;RagnarDanneskjol;Howdy, just stopped by to wish y'all a happy MP day
1717464;1506412886;mircea_popescu;lol cheers
1717465;1506412916;*;mircea_popescu completely forgot he had a day
1717466;1506412920;mircea_popescu;when did this happen ?
1717467;1506412929;RagnarDanneskjol;have it on my calendar..
1717468;1506413023;RagnarDanneskjol;http://trilema.com/2014/today-is-the-international-day-of-remembering-how-mircea-popescu-is-better-than-me-and-related-observances/
1717469;1506413056;mircea_popescu;o hey. cool deal!
1717470;1506413071;mircea_popescu;ima have to tattoo this on someone.
1717471;1506413081;RagnarDanneskjol;heh
1717472;1506413426;mircea_popescu;so how's been life treating you /
1717473;1506413476;RagnarDanneskjol;as good as it can be in UStardland I suppose
1717474;1506413492;RagnarDanneskjol;wish I were in CR
1717475;1506413535;mircea_popescu;it's not bad.
1717476;1506413575;RagnarDanneskjol;I spent a lot of time there years ago
1717477;1506413588;RagnarDanneskjol;Hear its gone to crap a bit
1717478;1506413626;mircea_popescu;quite.
1717479;1506413657;mircea_popescu;everything's gone to crap, and the imbeciles responsible dare run around pretending the stupid-ass handhelds were "a great thing".
1717480;1506413675;RagnarDanneskjol;so it seems
1717481;1506413690;mircea_popescu;fucking screwflies are a greater thing, ophtalmomyasis comparatively a blessing.
1717482;1506413711;RagnarDanneskjol;ha
1717483;1506413730;mircea_popescu;(that's when maggots infect the actual eye, for the innocent)
1717484;1506414797;mircea_popescu;!!up RagnarDanneskjol
1717485;1506414798;deedbot;RagnarDanneskjol voiced for 30 minutes.
1717486;1506414802;mircea_popescu;what happened to your key anyway ?
1717487;1506414841;RagnarDanneskjol;still have it, need to reg with new bot, will do so now
1717488;1506415097;mircea_popescu;try !!up
1717489;1506415322;RagnarDanneskjol;workin on it.  key is on airgap machine
1717490;1506415330;shinohai;Hey, why it is
1717491;1506415333;shinohai;Trilema
1717492;1506415335;shinohai;Heretiquarium.
1717493;1506415337;shinohai;Hey  *IS* Today is the International Day of Remembering How Mircea Popescu Is Better Than Me day after all.
1717494;1506415591;mircea_popescu;im off to bed.
1717495;1506424206;cruciform;would anyone like to sell me 1-2 Fuckgoats for less than listed price?
1717496;1506425147;cruciform;!later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hzD9k/?raw=true
1717497;1506431467;shinohai;!~later tell pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4LmIr/?raw=true
1717498;1506431467;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1717499;1506432470;pete_dushenski;shinohai: works!
1717500;1506432549;danielpbarron;!~later tell cruciform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8q3NF/?raw=true
1717501;1506432549;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1717502;1506432896;cruciform; danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Yx5K0/?raw=true
1717503;1506434861;asciilifeform;!~later tell cruciform i've nothing against folx buyin', sellin', secondhand FG, but i'm very curious re the psychology of 'would anyone... less than listed price' -- do you see it as overpriced ? or chasing after the abstract pleasure of pinching a penny ? or which is it.
1717504;1506434861;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1717505;1506434878;cruciform;asciilifeform: it's underpriced
1717506;1506434886;asciilifeform;then even moar puzzling
1717507;1506434917;cruciform;puzzling that someone would pay <x, as opposed to x?
1717508;1506434929;asciilifeform;well, somebody who thinks 'underpriced'
1717509;1506434936;asciilifeform;but then also 'would somebody pleez sell for <x'
1717510;1506434955;cruciform;I'm puzzled by your puzzlement
1717511;1506434972;mats;poverty
1717512;1506435000;asciilifeform;!~ticker --market all
1717513;1506435009;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3946.99, vol: 15244.20132520 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3946.7, vol: 39514.97380202 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3754.92, vol: 1567.38260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3943.9, vol: 5271.96748622 | Volume-weighted last average: 3941.65226023
1717514;1506435017;cruciform;but very grateful for your work in making the device
1717515;1506435038;asciilifeform;!~calc 3946.99 * 0.0395
1717516;1506435039;jhvh1;asciilifeform: 3946.99 * 0.0395 = 155.906105
1717517;1506435045;diana_coman;cruciform, I don't get it either: if you think NSA price is low anyway, then why are you looking for some other place to buy it for even less?
1717518;1506435062;asciilifeform;that's less than your ~chair~ prolly cost
1717519;1506435068;diana_coman;basically looking for subsidies or what?
1717520;1506435076;*;diana_coman is genuinely rather puzzled on this one
1717521;1506435088;cruciform;diana_coman: do you check multiple vendors before you buy the widget?
1717522;1506435103;diana_coman;which "the widget"?
1717523;1506435121;cruciform;diana_coman: beer, superglue, puppies; whatever
1717524;1506435153;asciilifeform;cruciform: if you 'just want' 'an rng, dun matter what kind' -- the cost is 0, your cpu maker already supplied you with a liquishit rng
1717525;1506435173;diana_coman;well, it's not whatever really; as far as I know there is only one maker of FG; and moreover, if I think the "widget" is underpriced then no, I don't waste time running around to ask maybe it's even more underpriced sort of thing
1717526;1506435186;cruciform;asciilifeform: I want auditable RNG, and rolling dice is putting me on tilt
1717527;1506435210;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i will add, for extra pedantism, that there are always TWO potential sources for FG : s.nsa, and OWN HANDS ( schematics and soft are published, go, make )
1717528;1506435227;diana_coman;I don't have anything against others doing whatever, obv, just sort of ...not making sense to me
1717529;1506435230;asciilifeform;it dun get any moar auditable than item you made with own hands.
1717530;1506435234;cruciform;diana_coman: the whole point is that it's auditable, so why does it matter where you get it from?
1717531;1506435266;diana_coman;asciilifeform, there is that
1717532;1506435275;asciilifeform;i even described how you can substitute mercury switches for the analogue boards, if you only need a byte/minute or so , as in dice
1717533;1506435298;diana_coman;cruciform, where did I say that?
1717534;1506435346;cruciform;diana_coman: that would be the only advantage in paying more when buying directly from vendor
1717535;1506435365;diana_coman;what puzzles is a. why would someone buy it from nsa to then sell it cheaper (admittedly it is possible though, anything is possible) b. if it's underpriced how is it worth it to spend *time* in order to get somehow possibly (not even surely) a slightly cheaper price
1717536;1506435396;asciilifeform;cruciform: the real advantage is that you can actually get it, reliably, from vendor. whereas right now you're stuck looking for somebody with too many, that he itches to get rid of at a loss, to sell you cheaply.
1717537;1506435405;asciilifeform;( granted there may be such a person, i have nfi )
1717538;1506435424;diana_coman;cruciform, ah, so this is about "maybe there is somewhere a deal and I pay 1 dime less?
1717539;1506435461;asciilifeform;cruciform: i must inform you that we recently dropped the price, on account of rising btc/usd , and most of the folx who presently own FG, paid ~more~ than is today being charged
1717540;1506435470;cruciform;for the record, it took ~30minutes to procure 2 units @10% below spot from a member of WoT
1717541;1506435486;asciilifeform;oh so congrats cruciform
1717542;1506435492;asciilifeform;loox like he already has his cheap FG !
1717543;1506435499;diana_coman;asciilifeform, by now I suspect it's more a thing on the lines of "gotta have cheapest price possible or else sucker"
1717544;1506435503;danielpbarron;!~later tell cruciform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iy0Tk/?raw=true
1717545;1506435503;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1717546;1506435524;diana_coman;cruciform, worx then
1717547;1506435650;diana_coman;by asciilifeform's calc earlier that would be $15 saved
1717548;1506435680;asciilifeform;i'ma laugh if d00d confesses that he had to pay for postage ( s.nsa does not charge for postage... ) and it was == $15
1717549;1506435682;diana_coman;cruciform,  if you don't mind for my curiosity: does the difference actually matter or above what threshold does it matter?
1717550;1506435687;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ahahaha
1717551;1506435688;cruciform;perhaps I particulary want to patronise my vendor
1717552;1506435722;cruciform;diana_coman: not at all; as I said: I'd pay far more than NSA price
1717553;1506435739;asciilifeform;cruciform: it is because of this statement that you are getting puzzled stares
1717554;1506435745;diana_coman;aha, so I got it right earlier: it's about cheapest price or else sucker
1717555;1506435754;asciilifeform;otherwise nobody'd raise a brow, healthy market in used FG is not a badthing
1717556;1506435905;cruciform;man at till says it'll be $10; you give him $20 just because?
1717557;1506436064;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717379 << asciilifeform was even luckier, was vomited forth forever from the belly of the beast before even could set foot in grad school
1717558;1506436064;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 04:41 elaineo: cuz i spent a dozen years thinking that that would be my ultimate achievement in life
1717559;1506436096;diana_coman;cruciform, for one thing man at till is not producer - while I don't give "man at till" extra for the product itself (I might give him for the service if warranted, what), I might even want to give producer more if I consider what he does to be a great thing; payment is support at the end of the day; anyway keeping with your example the thing would be: man at till says it'll be $10, do you ask around in the shop if anyone sells
1717560;1506436096;diana_coman; a 2nd hand one cheaper; fine to do it, sure, just ...surprising
1717561;1506436121;asciilifeform;( but then worked as civilian hired help, at civilian pay, for academics, but then quit even this )
1717562;1506436178;cruciform;diana_coman: no disrespect intended to vendor
1717563;1506436196;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717418 << fwiw 500k/annum ( unless in cash, for dealing black market plutonium ) is not 'rich' in usaschwitz, it typically comes with 450k/annum house+commute/etc
1717564;1506436196;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 05:10 mircea_popescu: check out the dumb broad, she imagines moneymaking scales, rich dude is going to get into the same arrangements with her as rando highschool boyfriend would.
1717565;1506436271;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717447 << courts have no problem handing out verdicts loser 'could not possibly pay' in other circumstances. as in recent thread re janitor who burned down submarine
1717566;1506436271;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 06:58 mircea_popescu: if on the other hand you elaine ou do terrible software work, that is EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER. there is no way a company can pay up.
1717567;1506436295;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717444 << because microshit, and really ~no other reason
1717568;1506436295;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 06:57 mircea_popescu: do you understand why computers and software are extempt from the general consumer protections ?
1717569;1506436361;asciilifeform;if builders in babylon succeeded in petitioning hammurabi for same 'protections' as programmers got in 1980s -- we would still live in houses that fall down regularly, crushing everyone inside, and it would be considered 'normal'
1717570;1506436451;*;asciilifeform brb, meat
1717571;1506436814;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform chick wanted to live by the park or whatever homemaker achievement. a girlscout captive in a 25yo woman's body, still trying to get the right badges in her sophisticated culturedness.
1717572;1506436850;mircea_popescu;and re the other thing, nevermind the practicals. the point was that it isn't an economic activity.
1717573;1506436869;mircea_popescu;what stupidities the courts engage in isn't germane ; nor is anything else. it's not a social matter.
1717574;1506436955;mircea_popescu;saying something can't be economically engaged in is a derivate of wovon, it's like babbage saying the problem of corectness can't be approached by mechanical means.
1717575;1506437701;cruciform;!~later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6ddTH/?raw=true
1717576;1506437701;jhvh1;cruciform: The operation succeeded.
1717577;1506437897;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/teenagers-are-a-pain-in-the-ass/ << Trilema - Teenagers are a pain in the ass
1717578;1506440057;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717520 << i dunno you two, seems basic market research. "so item x exists, shipped by manufacturer, costs x. are there cheaper units out there ?"
1717579;1506440057;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 14:11 diana_coman is genuinely rather puzzled on this one
1717580;1506440087;mircea_popescu;legitimate question. you all look on amazon. there's such a thing as a car aftermarket. what of it.
1717581;1506440133;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nuffinwrong. it was funny because of the refrain of 'but it's underpriced!!1!'
1717582;1506440134;mircea_popescu;as it happens in the case of FG afaik aftermarket is actually more expensive than list price, ie it's more like collected art than used cars, but to find that out you gotta ask, and the question sounds exactly like "any discount rembrandts around ?"
1717583;1506440196;mircea_popescu;in any case the amd cpu i bought was underpriced both at list price and at 2nd hand price. cuz i sure as fuck ain'\t making one in my laundry room out of lint and wall shavings for less than a few hundred.
1717584;1506440199;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, there was no question re being legitimate
1717585;1506440207;diana_coman;surprising != illegitimate
1717586;1506440209;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, i might consider asking if there's any cheaper than fiddy bux floating around
1717587;1506440210;diana_coman;wtf is this now
1717588;1506440238;mircea_popescu;diana_coman well, guy gotta ask, what.
1717589;1506440310;diana_coman;sure, nothing wrong with that in itself; still for FG as it is and given "it's underpriced anyway" ...surprising; that's it, all of it
1717590;1506440365;asciilifeform;in other hilarities, usa google front pg today features 'culture scholar Gloria E. Anzaldúa, The Mexican-American cultural theorist who identified invisible "borders" in society...'
1717591;1506440385;danielpbarron;!~later tell cruciform kk, btw what size shirt would you like?
1717592;1506440385;jhvh1;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1717593;1506440395;asciilifeform;thing gets moar barfy by the minute, even by decade-ago standards
1717594;1506440404;cruciform;danielpbarron: size of shirt?
1717595;1506440424;danielpbarron;i got some NSA shirts, will throw one in for free
1717596;1506440431;cruciform;thanks! large
1717597;1506440434;danielpbarron;k
1717598;1506440517;danielpbarron;rats, i seem to only have mediums and XL with me, XL ok?
1717599;1506440544;cruciform;sure
1717600;1506440556;mircea_popescu;and in other alternative lifestyles, http://68.media.tumblr.com/24a2ec4935b32b3fbb2b3a25655c71e2/tumblr_oux04gq5vK1raeoe0o1_500.gif
1717601;1506440727;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, https://archive.is/roEgM >> privesc 0day : '...all versions of CentOS 7 before 1708 (released on September 13, 2017), all versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 before 7.4 (released on August 1, 2017), and all versions of CentOS 6 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 are exploitable' << Aaaaaaand as usual linus sat on the goods since april, because 'responsible'
1717602;1506440753;mircea_popescu;what's linus to do with redhat's repackaged thing ?
1717603;1506440765;asciilifeform;consider reading the link ?
1717604;1506440778;asciilifeform;'Linux distributions that have not patched their long-term kernels with https://git.kernel.org/linus/a87938b2e246b81b4fb713edb371a9fa3c5c3c86 (committed on April 14, 2015) are vulnerable...'
1717605;1506440781;mircea_popescu;i am reading!
1717606;1506440801;asciilifeform;as typical, he 1) patched 2) withheld the implications of the patch from all but usg
1717607;1506440808;mircea_popescu;how the fuck did he sit on goods ?
1717608;1506440810;mircea_popescu;ah come on.
1717609;1506440839;asciilifeform;( pro tip: when you patch and dun say why, there is a staff of 15,000+ people who do nuffin but to see exactly why )
1717610;1506440854;mircea_popescu;the description is plain and was published two years ago. davidson fixed, torvalds commited within an hour. their job is done.
1717611;1506440858;asciilifeform;'responsible disclosure' == aid and comfort to enemy
1717612;1506440863;mircea_popescu;red hat OPTED to be shitheads. like koch usually does.
1717613;1506440875;mircea_popescu;dude he fucking says why!
1717614;1506440897;mircea_popescu; https://archive.is/4hQKN << what'd you have had him say ?
1717615;1506440903;*;asciilifeform digs in...
1717616;1506440926;mircea_popescu;you can't turn terse explanations of the problem into lengthy discussions of implications taylored for idiots, what is this, black chix coding now ?
1717617;1506440981;mircea_popescu;moreover, if anyone today depends on their linux not being vulnerable to LPE, they're ducked in the ducking heaf!
1717618;1506440995;asciilifeform;nao this is so.
1717619;1506441024;asciilifeform;( and with respect to this, the pretense imho oughta be dispensed with. run it all in ring0, get 10-20% speed boost 'for phree' etc )
1717620;1506441064;asciilifeform;or even go whole hog, to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669650 .
1717621;1506441064;a111;Logged on 2017-06-13 22:37 asciilifeform: end result is to be a vaguely msdos-like thing that understands how to configure x64 page table, put/get blocks of disk, and speak over rs232 port. and on top of this, a self-building gnat.
1717622;1506441097;cruciform;would it be retarded to use something like this to generate keys on an offline box? https://github.com/grondilu/bitcoin-bash-tools/blob/master/bitcoin.sh
1717623;1506441139;mircea_popescu;cruciform do you understand how bitcoin keys work ?
1717624;1506441180;cruciform;mircea_popescu: yes
1717625;1506441202;mircea_popescu;ok so, all you need is a chunk of random data, which fg provides. you can hash that into a privkey and address.
1717626;1506441233;cruciform;ok, so learn to write my own code/audit something like that
1717627;1506441249;mircea_popescu;there's no way out of this. if you don't write, you have to read, such as the thing you linked.
1717628;1506441261;mircea_popescu;for many small projects people prefer to write, because it's easier to write than read code.
1717629;1506441271;cruciform;I was hoping somone in the WoT would have already done that
1717630;1506441292;mircea_popescu;"someone in wot" is not meaningful in that sense. who's in ~YOUR~ wot ?
1717631;1506441297;cruciform;but yea I agree, no sense in putting off learning it
1717632;1506441353;cruciform;well my WoT is nascent, so I figured I could proxy "people whose blogs I enjoy"
1717633;1506441361;cruciform;:p
1717634;1506441378;mircea_popescu;yes, but proxying "girls whose tits i enjoy" into "life partner" is how people harvest the bitter fruit.
1717635;1506441450;cruciform;fwiw, I don't know that the WoT applies to nubiles
1717636;1506441469;mircea_popescu;on the other side, i don't know there's anything wot doesn't apply to.
1717637;1506441486;mircea_popescu;this'd be an important theoretical point, incidentally, showing domain exception. tis not currently known.
1717638;1506441517;cruciform;gotcha, and I expect your inductive argument is strong; on a large sample
1717639;1506441549;cruciform;the WoT hasn't failed me yet
1717640;1506441561;asciilifeform;arithmetic also has not failedmeyet
1717641;1506441579;asciilifeform;what wouldja do , cruciform , if you met a fella who told you 'arithmetic finally failed me'
1717642;1506441587;mircea_popescu;divine items, so far they've not failed us, just on occasion we fail them.
1717643;1506441591;asciilifeform;aha.
1717644;1506441615;cruciform;asciilifeform: suspect user error?
1717645;1506441622;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this'd be actually a great sf premise. end of days world, people running around having trouble with actual fundamentals.
1717646;1506441638;mircea_popescu;"you heard about joe ? commutativity blew up for him last week"
1717647;1506441666;mircea_popescu;like that one with the "visual prion", except written by someone who understands the science involved.
1717648;1506441800;asciilifeform;!#s luminous
1717649;1506441800;a111;11 results for "luminous", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=luminous
1717650;1506441810;asciilifeform;^ old tale with similar premise
1717651;1506441935;mircea_popescu;www.scribd.com/doc/86728044/Greg-Egan-Luminous redirects to some bulslhit advertising. because that's why they EVEN DO this.
1717652;1506441953;mircea_popescu;you all know this, right ? the ONLY reason github is there is so that it will later redirect your links and try and make a penny.
1717653;1506441975;asciilifeform;how else.
1717654;1506441983;mircea_popescu;heidi roizen blogging on tumblr like an idiot, because she can't fucking afford a house now.
1717655;1506442003;mircea_popescu;but i suppose the IMPLICATIONS WERENT MADE CLEAR hurr durr. pshaw.
1717656;1506442025;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wpf7J/?raw=true << 313333337w4r3z
1717657;1506442298;*;trinque has the dead tree sitting nearby, good stuff
1717658;1506442307;mircea_popescu;I turned to the burglar. "There is no antidote. But the toxin won't kill you. You'll just wish it
1717659;1506442307;mircea_popescu;would, for the next twelve hours. Goodbye."
1717660;1506442309;mircea_popescu;weakass bs.
1717661;1506442334;asciilifeform;iirc we already had this thread
1717662;1506442343;asciilifeform;but last time mircea_popescu barfed over some other plot knob
1717663;1506442362;mircea_popescu;what happened to "there is no antidote. but the toxin won't kill you, it'll just turn you into a bimbo!"
1717664;1506442374;asciilifeform;hey gotta leave sumthing for mircea_popescu's tales !
1717665;1506442377;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm a hater what can i tell ye.
1717666;1506442476;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait, is this the one with the visual virus ?
1717667;1506442492;asciilifeform;nope
1717668;1506442498;asciilifeform;that one was called 'blit'
1717669;1506442503;asciilifeform;and much older
1717670;1506442519;asciilifeform;this here is the one where d00d breaks arithmetic.
1717671;1506442556;mircea_popescu;aite, well, i've no wai out now but to read it.
1717672;1506442589;asciilifeform;last thread, going by the date of the warez txt on my hd, was some time around feb 4 2014.
1717673;1506443100;mircea_popescu;I mean, fifteen billion years after the Big Bang, someone can still
1717674;1506443100;mircea_popescu;come along and prove, say . . . Fermat's Last Theorem.
1717675;1506443104;mircea_popescu;what is with these people.
1717676;1506443205;BingoBoingo;<cruciform> asciilifeform: it's underpriced << I can sell you FG made by "own hands" for 12 BTC with deliver in 12, require 50% deposit, my option to instead deliver two alf-hands FG at month 11 for your trouble
1717677;1506443237;cruciform;BingoBoingo: sorry: you're not in my WoT :)
1717678;1506443256;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at one time , get this, kakobrekla threatened to make'em
1717679;1506443266;asciilifeform;( evaporated, unsurprisingly )
1717680;1506443328;BingoBoingo;<cruciform> man at till says it'll be $10; you give him $20 just because? << Well if $20 is new from vendor and $10 is with 200,000 miles of farts in the seats
1717681;1506443357;mircea_popescu;ftr i've actually done that.
1717682;1506443488;cruciform;yea - I expect I'll be throwing a few bitcents as a gratuity to the designers once I've grokked how useful it is
1717683;1506443549;mircea_popescu;i think i'm rewriting this ;/
1717684;1506443565;mircea_popescu;the "allison argument" is not even fucking terrible.
1717685;1506445221;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj, $crate is here.
1717686;1506447813;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717535 << i'd like to revisit this item, because it actually makes sense to me : when asciilifeform was a student, he happily spent hundreds of hrs to make own lab equipment that was worth maybe a dozen 'min wage' hrs, theoretically -- because it was a more interesting way to spend the time than some min wage gulag would've been
1717687;1506447813;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 14:16 diana_coman: what puzzles is a. why would someone buy it from nsa to then sell it cheaper (admittedly it is possible though, anything is possible) b. if it's underpriced how is it worth it to spend *time* in order to get somehow possibly (not even surely) a slightly cheaper price
1717688;1506447875;asciilifeform;folx whose time ain't liquid ( which is most everybody in 'saecular world', incl. present-day asciilifeform , he could not smoothly double his pay by halving his spare time for one particular day and then not the next ) often do this sort of thing.
1717689;1506447928;asciilifeform;asciilifeform still has ( and until recently, used! ) the rom writer, bench powersupply, etc. he made in early 2000s.
1717690;1506448016;asciilifeform;this however is an argument in favour of handcrafting yer own equip, rather than for 'clipping coupons' , imho.
1717691;1506448017;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716536 << great way to learn
1717692;1506448017;a111;Logged on 2017-09-21 05:03 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716279 << I ended up going this route.
1717693;1506448148;mircea_popescu;i wish the record to permanently reflect that alison is a stupid fucking name.
1717694;1506448166;mircea_popescu;what shall we call a genius math girl ?
1717695;1506448365;BingoBoingo;Angel is a prefectly respectable math-stripper name
1717696;1506448684;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/26/google-trying-to-bill-service-cancelled-5-years-ago/ << Bingo Blog - Google Trying To Bill Service Cancelled 5 Years Ago
1717697;1506448714;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I follow the part re make your own hands - thing there is that there IS gain in that expenditure of time; and that gain is arguably more than the 15 bucks; however, I don't follow how does that lead to "makes sense just as much to collect coupons /whatevs "
1717698;1506448747;diana_coman;make with one's own hands, lol
1717699;1506449016;asciilifeform;diana_coman: was my point
1717700;1506449056;asciilifeform;though there was a much older thread where we considered how even clipping coupons could be a win, of sorts, because there is not 'applying' and there is no schedule or boss
1717701;1506449064;asciilifeform;!#s while you sleep
1717702;1506449064;a111;34 results for "while you sleep", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=while%20you%20sleep
1717703;1506449068;asciilifeform;^ somewhere in there
1717704;1506449411;asciilifeform;granted mircea_popescu will prolly add 'this is of course only win for the bull, not for the farmer' but i've never been the farmer. can only add pov of bull.
1717705;1506449432;mircea_popescu;shh i'm writing!
1717706;1506449437;asciilifeform;lolk
1717707;1506450487;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> granted mircea_popescu will prolly add 'this is of course only win for the bull, not for the farmer' but i've never been the farmer. can only add pov of bull. << Is it pov of contemporary bull if you haven't lost count of prostate shocks delivered by farmer for the sake of knocking up distant dairy with veal
1717708;1506457817;*;jurov just stumbled upon this incredible feature: https://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/4613/why-does-vim-allow-integer-division-by-zero
1717709;1506458615;asciilifeform;lol!!
1717710;1506458625;asciilifeform;exactly like my original ffa
1717711;1506459811;shinohai;Man dies after attack by MOTHERFUCKING BEES! http://archive.is/GhCA6
1717712;1506460158;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Opposite also dooms. One man used approximate anti-bee as cooking oil https://archive.is/i0zOo
1717713;1506460314;BingoBoingo;And a confirmation for the Republic pt. 2: "The remaining 1% becomes sequestered in body fat. This portion is eliminated slowly, with a half-life of 18 days for the cis-isomer and 3.4 days for the trans-isomer (2, 4). "
1717714;1506466167;trinque;attention all : there'll be electrical maintenance on the DC which houses deedbot tomorrow from 6AM to 9AM. deedbot itself will be up, and operating elsewhere starting this evening until after the end of the maintenance. deeds, other side services (RSS), and my node shall be offline starting at 5AM tomorrow.
1717715;1506466238;trinque;US central, I should say.
1717716;1506466557;mircea_popescu;heh
1717717;1506470182;shinohai;http://archive.is/gJCkR   <<< If only black girls had coded for him.
1717718;1506477573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and other interested parties : http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/
1717719;1506478604;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ << Trilema - Resplenduminous
1717720;1506479517;trinque;^ migration in progress.
1717721;1506480000;mircea_popescu;trinque you know a three hour knockout in order to check the fuse box is somewhat suspicious in a dc.
1717722;1506480048;trinque;I don't expect that I'm moving back
1717723;1506480065;trinque;new digs are in singapore; lets see how that goes
1717724;1506480127;trinque;old DC said they were fixing their battery backups; who knows what's actually happening
1717725;1506480142;trinque;I operate under the assumption that I'm going to lose every box that isn't in my house, and probably also those
1717726;1506480157;trinque;got great deploy scripts for these things, don't need anything but an ssh hole to fire them at
1717727;1506480732;asciilifeform;neato trinque
1717728;1506480775;asciilifeform;and yes, sudden plague of rotten disks, dubious fuses, etc
1717729;1506480803;asciilifeform;'we gotta change the fire extinguisher, box will be out for 3h'
1717730;1506480820;asciilifeform;'...waxing floor, 5h'
1717731;1506480826;asciilifeform;is next.
1717732;1506480930;*;asciilifeform just finished eating http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717718 -- mighty lulzy
1717733;1506480930;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 01:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and other interested parties : http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/
1717734;1506480963;mircea_popescu;any good, whatcha think
1717735;1506480992;asciilifeform;i like the twist end.
1717736;1506481063;mircea_popescu;seems to me a matter of strict necessity, in context.
1717737;1506481092;mircea_popescu;anyway, that aside, by comparing my description to his you can readily see a summary of all the inept idiocy that bothered me in the original.
1717738;1506481108;mircea_popescu;wtf ruin a perfectly good premise with muddy, shoddy implementation.
1717739;1506481116;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717726 << this reminded me of an ancient crackpotteriferous idea of mine: diskless, welded-shut box that boots into minimal sshiferous thing, privkey in boobytrapped sram etc. you fill it up remotely with os etc. and thereafter if power cut.
1717740;1506481116;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 02:42 trinque: got great deploy scripts for these things, don't need anything but an ssh hole to fire them at
1717741;1506481136;mircea_popescu;seems to be slowly going there.
1717742;1506481154;asciilifeform;anyone molests box, or magnetometer detects that it moved racks, etc, -- overwrites key with rngolade.
1717743;1506481169;trinque;seems to be the only way to use these pieces of shit.
1717744;1506481214;trinque;constant stream of new soldiers to go die.
1717745;1506481220;asciilifeform;not esp. difficult to build.
1717746;1506481239;mircea_popescu;!#s UCI
1717747;1506481239;a111;181 results for "UCI", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=UCI
1717748;1506481255;mircea_popescu;want it or not want it, it's what you're getting in the end.
1717749;1506481262;asciilifeform;sorta like, but with crypto
1717750;1506481274;mircea_popescu;how was the original without crypto lol
1717751;1506481303;asciilifeform;( boxes you dun physically build and boobytrap, cannot have identity, because homomorphic voodoo is just that, it sums to nil )
1717752;1506481451;trinque;alrighty, that works again.
1717753;1506481573;asciilifeform;trinque: ever used 'midnight commander' and its 'fish' util ?
1717754;1506481624;asciilifeform;it's a thingie that 'mounts' a wholly uncooperative, other than login, remote fs, using nothing more than perl on other end, via standard ssh ( not sftp )
1717755;1506481660;asciilifeform;pumps binaries, and dir listings, transparently back an' forth via crafted shellbarf
1717756;1506481666;trinque;pretty cool. the guy wrote over here does same with remote shell.
1717757;1506481670;trinque;*guy I wrote
1717758;1506481675;asciilifeform;might be interesting to make a rawblocks version of this
1717759;1506481701;asciilifeform;takes a root shelled box, and formats hdd, emplaces, e.g., gentoo, blockwise.
1717760;1506481799;asciilifeform;process prolly would have to begin by copying over a little c proggy, compiling, then insmod'ing it ( so to stop multitaskism and disk fandango on victim end )
1717761;1506481843;asciilifeform;the k mod , now, will do the rest of the work.
1717762;1506481876;trinque;hm. what about just   mount -o remount,ro /
1717763;1506481890;trinque;and then   bzcat > /dev/sda
1717764;1506481894;asciilifeform;what if box had swap ?
1717765;1506481906;trinque;swapoff all the swaps too
1717766;1506481914;asciilifeform;and /tmp ?
1717767;1506481930;asciilifeform;you'd be surprised how many heathen linuxen this would crash
1717768;1506481947;asciilifeform;they expect swap, and /tmp, and /var, and fuck knows what else
1717769;1506481949;trinque;hm, totally possible, just enumerating the reasonable thing's I'd considered on the subj
1717770;1506481959;asciilifeform;it has to be victimproof
1717771;1506481977;asciilifeform;as in, it dun matter what WAS running.
1717772;1506482115;asciilifeform;when trigger is pulled, the sole possible operation of th cpu becomes : listening to nic for a sequence of (signed...) blocks, to fill hdd with, from lba 0 to N.
1717773;1506482129;asciilifeform;after that, reboots.
1717774;1506482220;asciilifeform;this is 'birth'. 'death' of a box, is similar process, but in reverse gear, sends backup of block 0...N to operator, replacing each with null as it goes.
1717775;1506482256;asciilifeform;( yes, enemy can have made sneak copy. let'im make, sweat. )
1717776;1506482308;asciilifeform;but no more leaving intact os+etc when leaving a hoster, by default. it is unhygienic.
1717777;1506482378;asciilifeform;makes sense ?
1717778;1506482384;trinque;100%
1717779;1506482435;asciilifeform;the obvious variation on the theme, is to omit the disk
1717780;1506482470;asciilifeform;jump into ring0, let nic fill ~ram~ as described above for disk, then jump into ~that~
1717781;1506482491;asciilifeform;run 'virtually disked' until power loss.
1717782;1506482508;asciilifeform;but i already described this, earlier.
1717783;1506482542;asciilifeform;these are 2 basic ways to 'reincarnate' on remote box.
1717784;1506483560;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> anyone molests box, or magnetometer detects that it moved racks, etc, -- overwrites key with rngolade. << Overwrites key and misleading places that look like could also be key, gives cold analysers more places to miswank over potential "Is key?" "Is encrypted key?" "What does enzyme equation solver make of this when ported to DNA array"
1717785;1506484192;BingoBoingo;Moore defeats Strange In Alabama Senate Primary: Stage Set For Great Again Congressional Coup In 2018
1717786;1506484249;BingoBoingo;Bob Corker Announces Retirement At End 2018, More Old-GOP Senate Retirements Expected
1717787;1506490608;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what was the soviet term for the "moment of realisation" that sovietism is actually a lie ? i forget
1717788;1506493268;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/akPqa/?raw=true << The IP address for deedbot.org and wot.deedbot.org shall be 45.32.123.240 from block 487154 until further notice.
1717789;1506493290;trinque;actual !!deed processing shall return tomorrow.
1717790;1506493374;trinque;DCs that cause me server migrations before launch of a new product can get pissed on.
1717791;1506493429;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1717792;1506493436;trinque;this is why logbot was written such that services don't have to live anywhere near the server providing the IRC connection.
1717793;1506493526;trinque;mircea_popescu: incompetence or malice, what the fuck is this 6am to 9am as a service window shit?
1717794;1506493582;trinque;BingoBoingo: and hey, why don't you script a qntra deploy and blast it on a new VPS every other week?
1717795;1506493608;trinque;isn't like the thing has a phuctor-sized database to haul around
1717796;1506493754;trinque;rough approximation of the hypertext dht thing I'm going to conjure, really.
1717797;1506493759;*;trinque hits the hay
1717798;1506493808;mircea_popescu;nn.
1717799;1506494609;trinque;^ brb
1717800;1506494730;mircea_popescu;no hay foir you. come back -- one year.
1717801;1506495493;trinque;wb!
1717802;1506504539;BingoBoingo;<trinque> BingoBoingo: and hey, why don't you script a qntra deploy and blast it on a new VPS every other week? << A few reasons: 1. I r idiot, 2. Database updating constantly which means need box and not VPS rapehole, 3. This points to Republican ISP needed or no nice things
1717803;1506505344;BingoBoingo;!~later tell davout Still alive or did the neighbors eat you?
1717804;1506505344;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1717805;1506505367;BingoBoingo;!~later tell davout_ Still alive or did the neighbors eat you?
1717806;1506505367;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1717807;1506505520;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1717808;1506505525;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3958.7, vol: 9575.32164784 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3960.8, vol: 20372.76450966 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3814.3968, vol: 1267.52710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3958.4, vol: 4710.16859887 | Volume-weighted last average: 3954.76025382
1717809;1506512895;davout;BingoBoingo: I r alive
1717810;1506517696;shinohai;Shit I find all the good stuff when qntra is no more http://archive.is/7ufZx
1717811;1506518444;shinohai;RagnarDanneskjol: I know who you are, soul of Ragnar Lodbrok come back to haunt us on Woden's day. Well ye won't be conquering no earldoms here, no Sir!
1717812;1506520127;shinohai;Teh terr0ristz go after the Defense Secretaryz! http://archive.is/lUVkF
1717813;1506520744;jurov;sourceforge down for 2 days already, and noone notices anymore
1717814;1506520771;shinohai;noticed but no qntras
1717815;1506520795;jurov;just my crazy idea: what about s.nsa buying it out, with all the data?
1717816;1506520802;asciilifeform;lol what for ?!
1717817;1506520830;jurov;you searched for misc old code versions many times, no?
1717818;1506520871;asciilifeform;if it dun exist in gentoo mirrors, it likely ain't of any use
1717819;1506520882;asciilifeform;and the integrity of anything stored in shitforge is highly dubious
1717820;1506520994;asciilifeform;jurov: recall when they were caught red handed infecting tarballs ?
1717821;1506521013;asciilifeform;( not even speaking of the winblowz exes )
1717822;1506521244;shinohai;"We have the latest ROT13 reverse-encryption enabled on all accounts and have no idea how this could happen"
1717823;1506521648;jurov;i had in mind old cvs/svn repos, not tarballs. i doubt they could competently infect these
1717824;1506521816;shinohai;"Paul Horner, Famous Fake News Writer, Found Dead at Age 38"
1717825;1506522604;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/k7sr8 >> '...106,000 foreigners suspected of being involved in terrorism and other crimes... The number of foreigners targeted under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act rose from 94,000 in fiscal year 2015...'
1717826;1506522842;asciilifeform;jurov: aaaaaaand it's back. grab whatever tars you like, no need to buy anything.
1717827;1506523298;jurov;Not very up.
1717828;1506523322;asciilifeform;oh hm dead again.
1717829;1506523621;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717787 << there was not a specific name for this afaik
1717830;1506523621;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 05:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was the soviet term for the "moment of realisation" that sovietism is actually a lie ? i forget
1717831;1506523625;asciilifeform;( maybe in ro ?? )
1717832;1506527478;trinque;lol sbcl.org down
1717833;1506527524;asciilifeform;not simply down
1717834;1506527527;asciilifeform;RST's
1717835;1506527582;asciilifeform;interestingtimes.
1717836;1506529291;danielpbarron;achtung panzers, all orders (of mine) have been shipped
1717837;1506529366;cruciform;danielpbarron: nice!
1717838;1506529429;cruciform;can you add me to you WoT?
1717839;1506529620;danielpbarron;it's possible
1717840;1506529706;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/XkB9Q << in other lulz: deloitte, massive usg slave galley, pwned
1717841;1506529742;asciilifeform;'Emails to and from Deloitte’s 244,000 staff were stored in the Azure cloud service, which was provided by Microsoft. '
1717842;1506531040;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj! crate #2 is here.
1717843;1506541813;mats;found this gem http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sec-kraft-heinz/u-s-sec-accuses-heinz-guard-of-insider-trading-before-berkshire-3g-deal-idUSKBN16M2UI
1717844;1506541922;ben_vulpes;campaign against knowing anything about how the world works will continue until the risk free rate is negative
1717845;1506542115;asciilifeform;in other lulz from same rag, https://www.rt.com/news/404638-russia-kalashnikov-flying-car
1717846;1506542144;asciilifeform;( oblig old thread : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-31#1080346 )
1717847;1506542144;a111;Logged on 2015-03-31 02:54 asciilifeform: 100 - a man
1717848;1506542227;asciilifeform;well not same rag, lol, but opposite sign bit rag.
1717849;1506542327;asciilifeform;'In a complaint filed in Manhattan federal court, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission said Todd David Alpert made $43,873 of illegal profit after learning of the proposed Heinz takeover while working as a dispatcher for the director, who sat on Heinz’s board for several years.' << lol!!
1717850;1506542354;asciilifeform;though quite the unsurprise, only goldmansachs et al can make legal profit in usaschwitz
1717851;1506542627;ben_vulpes;shabby take, at that.
1717852;1506542643;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: prolly limited by d00d's spending cash
1717853;1506542655;asciilifeform;( and credit limits )
1717854;1506542675;asciilifeform;if he really was a doorman.
1717855;1506542709;asciilifeform;( though it seems like a dire violation of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 principle. i've nfi )
1717856;1506542709;a111;Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
1717857;1506542774;ben_vulpes;perhaps 50k is the most one can hope to make on a short term 100% leveraged play in the states; i've no idea what his relationship with the brokerage was like but he *had* to have had a margin account, it would be an offense to the oldladyempire if someone didn't
1717858;1506542805;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what i meant is, he likely had, say, 5k, to turn into 50; if had 10 - would turn to 100 etc
1717859;1506542829;asciilifeform;and presumably whole affair didn't last long enough to connect the hose and form arsemouthsystem
1717860;1506542901;ben_vulpes;myeah, i hear ya
1717861;1506542997;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717776 << not that hard to nuke a box, all of them do reinstalls and shit
1717862;1506542997;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 03:18 asciilifeform: but no more leaving intact os+etc when leaving a hoster, by default. it is unhygienic.
1717863;1506543161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idea was, to automate, make it wholly mechanical part of moving shitbox providers on arbitrarily short notice (i.e. 0 notice to the one who's being ditched until ~after~ you've moved the contents)
1717864;1506543189;mircea_popescu;if only anyone in the fiat world were this acute.\
1717865;1506543313;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717809 << o.O whatever happened to you!
1717866;1506543313;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 11:48 davout: BingoBoingo: I r alive
1717867;1506543359;asciilifeform;( the other half of $idea, was that shitbox oughta be convertible to 'godly' os+env, mechanically, kvmlessly, (again with 0 notice to human on isp end), and without retaining 1 single byte of what was on the box when they gave you login )
1717868;1506543449;*;asciilifeform pictures davout as having the same job as the bear in old american cartoon 'tail spin', and so he dun have net access often from the old flyin'boat
1717869;1506543766;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717813 << i doubt anyone'd notice if facebook was down for two weeks, either. at this point, 100% of the fiat "traffic" is simply bots. they will happily http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/ until the end of times.
1717870;1506543766;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 13:59 jurov: sourceforge down for 2 days already, and noone notices anymore
1717871;1506543782;mircea_popescu;there is in fact no one to notice.
1717872;1506543798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, for your romanian studies, i propose http://trilema.com/2010/oda-la-moartea-unei-pisici-preaiubite-inecata-intr-o-covata-de-carasi/
1717873;1506543802;mircea_popescu;i suspect you know the original.
1717874;1506543854;asciilifeform;oh neato
1717875;1506543986;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717815 << why, so they can use the money to continue trying to prop usg in some fashion ? fuck them. should have long ago came to kneel and submit here.
1717876;1506543986;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 13:59 jurov: just my crazy idea: what about s.nsa buying it out, with all the data?
1717877;1506544103;asciilifeform;eh i'd give fiddybux for it. of lunch money. just so that the next day ALL the winblows exes will format c:
1717878;1506544168;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717844 << you misunderstand ; the way sec works in these "insider trading" cases is very much EXACTLY alf's "peasant with rembrands go to jail". the man's crime is that he made money. simply and purely that, it is ASSUMED that he couldn't have known, on the strength of being a nobody. that's it.
1717879;1506544168;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 19:52 ben_vulpes: campaign against knowing anything about how the world works will continue until the risk free rate is negative
1717880;1506544180;mircea_popescu;the "subtle" view being that this discourages gambling which is a societal good.
1717881;1506544226;asciilifeform;from lizard pov, he took what belongs to hitler, plain an' simple
1717882;1506544237;mircea_popescu;but much like all property is presumed of the crown, with random sefs such as yourself merely in tenous tenancy (known as precaria, historically), which is why you can have things such as "cases in rem", because the court admits no ownership vested IN PERSONS
1717883;1506544255;mircea_popescu;just so all knowledge is also presumed in the crown, and you knowing something "you shouldn't have" simply means you spied. what else could it mean ?
1717884;1506544262;mircea_popescu;"your honor, i'm smarter than the inca, natch" ?
1717885;1506544313;mircea_popescu;everywhere in the world, this thing of yours, is yours, and the court may inquire after it. in the us, like in all slave empires, this thing of the court, you, MAYBE, may beg for.
1717886;1506544339;asciilifeform;the rembrandt case took place, ftr, in ro
1717887;1506544356;asciilifeform;( granted, nato ro )
1717888;1506544360;mircea_popescu;well, europe. i dun recall, uk, ro, etc.
1717889;1506544399;asciilifeform;and where exactly does peasant own ? i'd like to buy a plane ticket...
1717890;1506544408;mircea_popescu;was stolen from netherlands and taken to london was it ? something like that.
1717891;1506544414;asciilifeform;afaik nowhere does peasant own more than fits in his arse.
1717892;1506544414;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afghanistan, for one.
1717893;1506544441;asciilifeform;antarctica, for two...
1717894;1506544492;mircea_popescu;and that's just the letter A!
1717895;1506544720;asciilifeform;1 possibly interesting observation is that if the d00d had a btctronic means of capitalizing on his 'insiderism', he might still walk the big zone, unmolested
1717896;1506544736;mircea_popescu;except nobody + crypto = terrorism neh
1717897;1506544750;asciilifeform;instead he took in a wad of electro-fiatola, which is instant alarm bell at nsa ( whole directorate, as described in 2013 leakz )
1717898;1506544760;mircea_popescu;where was that northafrica piece about "refused to give passwords, interferes with crown" ?
1717899;1506544768;asciilifeform;some time this wk
1717900;1506544770;asciilifeform;but regular thing.
1717901;1506544785;mircea_popescu;so notrly. only thing left for him is to joestack before they ^
1717902;1506544802;asciilifeform;the heuristic is pretty simple -- d00d lives in plebelands, in cardboard house, works cardboard job, etc. and suddenly his bank balance grows a coupla decimal places ? bell rings.
1717903;1506544820;mircea_popescu;and yes "that's not what i wanted to hear", but the fucking problem with going "lalalaican'thearyou" for 50 years is that when you finally quit it and listen it'll sound exactly like "too late, mr shcmucktard"
1717904;1506545666;asciilifeform;unless, i suppose, you are hruschev, and your travel is always by means of own battleship, it is flatly stupid to keep seekritz in places nosy idjits in foreign ports can easily get to, e.g. civilian baggage
1717905;1506545952;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure hruschev had his passport stamped when entering us, like any other schmuck.
1717906;1506545957;mircea_popescu;tis the ourdemocracy fantasy.
1717907;1506548616;ben_vulpes;a+ landlords: http://archive.is/gyQpm
1717908;1506548744;asciilifeform;~all american houses burn like matchsticks, why is that particular one famous
1717909;1506548803;asciilifeform;( who recalls the thread in - iirc - '14, where mircea_popescu described how a chum of his came to usa, and tried to build a nonburning house, and Had Problems, went home in the end )
1717910;1506549095;mircea_popescu;aha.
1717911;1506550701;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2017/the-bitter-lot/ << Trilema - The bitter lot
1717912;1506550738;*;mircea_popescu thanks asciilifeform, the premise turned out to be extremely fertile!
1717913;1506550785;*;asciilifeform read it earlier, while deedbot slept
1717914;1506550816;*;asciilifeform like many folx, has own ad-hoc cat-and-rat-system
1717915;1506552184;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform pictures davout as having the same job as the bear in old american cartoon 'tail spin', and so he dun have net access often from the old flyin'boat << AHA, you do remember Disney other than jaundiced pooh
1717916;1506552407;BingoBoingo;davout: I'm wondering if an progress was made finding Francophone datacenters outside France, preferaby in the heart of the dark continent
1717917;1506552885;*;mircea_popescu encourages the editor in chief. 
1717918;1506553738;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it was actually translated some time around 1990
1717919;1506553782;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dark continent << didn't we have a d00d in za at some point..?
1717920;1506555114;BingoBoingo;editor in chief is lead fishing
1717921;1506555366;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It was the fluffypony monero guy, he's introduced in a Trilema. 2013-ish if I remember
1717922;1506555384;asciilifeform;then we definitely, afaik, have nobody in za
1717923;1506555393;asciilifeform;d00d went full bore idjit loong ago.
1717924;1506555393;mircea_popescu;is "za" zaire ?
1717925;1506555401;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: za is south africa
1717926;1506555405;BingoBoingo;Petrus land
1717927;1506555416;asciilifeform;duffer'sdrift land
1717928;1506555416;mircea_popescu;this makes sense.
1717929;1506555428;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I did not specify south africa. If I recall davout was off the gold coast
1717930;1506555429;asciilifeform;incidentally did BingoBoingo ever read 'duffer's drift' ?
1717931;1506555433;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/ << There it is
1717932;1506555436;mircea_popescu;why the fuck do we want what's left after rhodesia's rape for any purpose ?
1717933;1506555440;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Has not yet seen
1717934;1506555466;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there's also http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/
1717935;1506555480;asciilifeform;i dunno that it belongs on the we-want list
1717936;1506555489;asciilifeform;but it meets some of the technical litmuses.
1717937;1506555489;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA
1717938;1506555504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform such as what, black chix coding ?
1717939;1506555525;asciilifeform;nah that's in the other africa
1717940;1506555527;BingoBoingo;Well, survey of not NATO means surveying... Not NATO
1717941;1506555602;mircea_popescu;their fucking motto is "unity in diversity" ffs.
1717942;1506555704;asciilifeform;also i have nfi whether the item that remained after the rape, is still squirming or not.
1717943;1506555715;asciilifeform;theoretically some part of it -- may be
1717944;1506555722;asciilifeform;~somebody~ is buying those flamethrowers.
1717945;1506555784;mircea_popescu;technically australia is also "not in nato" or whatever the fuck.\
1717946;1506555788;mircea_popescu;scarcely any difference.
1717947;1506555800;asciilifeform;5eyes ~= nato
1717948;1506555828;mircea_popescu;which is my fucking point here. south africa is not off the list of shitholes just because it's where white cucks go to have their wives strechtertained
1717949;1506555845;BingoBoingo;Chad, Cote de Ivory, Somalia, Liberia, Nigeria
1717950;1506555850;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu says za is an unterraformable pesthole, then it is.
1717951;1506555855;*;asciilifeform has deeply nfi
1717952;1506555886;BingoBoingo;Perhaps boki haram has datacenters?
1717953;1506555917;mircea_popescu;if they can keep 'em up.
1717954;1506555979;mircea_popescu;apparently stretchtertained is not a word, as far as the alphabet ai knows. but evidently http://trilema.com/2016/welcome-to-baluba-island/
1717955;1506555983;BingoBoingo;Hey, if Microsoft can do servers in tents
1717956;1506555997;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's easier for them, they don't have to actually work.
1717957;1506556162;BingoBoingo;le sigh, there goes dream of coffee shop next to datacenter being staffed by black people in white suits all county club style
1717958;1506556436;mircea_popescu;why, you can have that in egypt.
1717959;1506556494;BingoBoingo;Egypt is too practically NATO, the Israelis are right there
1717960;1506556618;BingoBoingo;In today's WAPO wank of the day: "There is no single, definitive answer to how Roy Moore, American politics’ closest approximation of a theocrat who’s twice been removed from the state Supreme Court for disobeying orders, was able to beat the twin political machines of the White House and the Senate leadership in his comfortable defeat of Sen. Luther Strange."
1717961;1506556640;BingoBoingo;How does a Justice of a Supreme Court recieve "orders"?
1717962;1506557189;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1717963;1506557233;mircea_popescu;"there is no answer we can think of besides the one we don't want to!" and other http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/
1717964;1506557413;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo anyway, why is the idea WH was supporting strange ? didn't like, trump beleete his support tweets and errythang ?
1717965;1506567781;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The blog post on that is baking.
1717966;1506573446;BingoBoingo;!!up oroborous
1717967;1506573446;deedbot;oroborous voiced for 30 minutes.
1717968;1506573478;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo anyway, why is the idea WH was supporting strange ? didn't like, trump beleete his support tweets and errythang ? << http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/27/trump-teaches-gop-senators-importance-of-selling-by-example-learns-limits-of-his-brand/
1717969;1506573739;ben_vulpes;> Roy Moore was further endorsed by President Trump announced his intention to enthusiastically campaign for Moore in the event Moore came out on top in the runoff. << there is something missing in this sentence, between President Trump and announced, i think.
1717970;1506573772;mats;https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-17-548 on the laughable un-readiness of USN
1717971;1506573793;ben_vulpes;just the usn, eh? did we do the most recent los alamos fuckups?
1717972;1506573884;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: ty fxd
1717973;1506573934;ben_vulpes;> Similarly, a Navy analysis shows that the average age of shipyard capital equipment now exceeds its expected useful life.
1717974;1506574076;ben_vulpes;while i am definitely guilty of eking a half-decade out of a lathe with judicious application of idle six-axis arms found elsewhere in the facility, i don't think even the screw machine squad's hardware was mostly within expected lifespans.
1717975;1506574096;ben_vulpes;i think they *were* i mean
1717976;1506574274;BingoBoingo;Breaking: Hugh Hefner dead at 91
1717977;1506574955;oroborous;BingoBoingo: so young...
1717978;1506574966;oroborous;:'(
1717979;1506575189;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=9009 << Lafond entangled in the legal system JURY DUTY: "I actually told the judge and attorneys about hacking a dude up with a sword and getting off and they selected me as the seventh pick."
1717980;1506575792;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1717973 << bwhaha! dja know this was NOT actually true for the soviets at any point ?
1717981;1506575792;a111;Logged on 2017-09-28 04:45 ben_vulpes: > Similarly, a Navy analysis shows that the average age of shipyard capital equipment now exceeds its expected useful life.
1717982;1506575873;ben_vulpes;i am not particularly surprised, no
1717983;1506576100;BingoBoingo;In other Navy https://archive.is/thD1l
1717984;1506576220;mircea_popescu;harvard eh.
1717985;1506576246;BingoBoingo;1988
1717986;1506576503;mircea_popescu;so which hits 0.05 first, ethereum or crash ?
1717987;1506578602;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1717988;1506578613;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4233.14, vol: 14956.76937157 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4235.5, vol: 54947.34789074 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4153.430699, vol: 604.10700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4240.3, vol: 7377.56780422 | Volume-weighted last average: 4234.86491254
1717989;1506578656;BingoBoingo;I'd suspect etherhufferium, Chicoms seem to have more juice to throw at crash
1717990;1506581690;mircea_popescu;and here'ssomething for BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/maga-so-so.jpg
1717991;1506584625;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at teh ho-tel,  http://68.media.tumblr.com/f76f78cda88d574c8244a45ca6854ea4/tumblr_nnkh4dkS0U1s6s2dwo1_500.gif
1717992;1506586748;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477674 << day of epic threads
1717993;1506586748;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 21:10 mircea_popescu: o btw asciilifeform wanna hear my inept symmetric encryption scheme ?
1717994;1506591580;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah, not bad. i still hold that's the ~only avenue to the problem.
1717995;1506591596;mircea_popescu;not necessarily the specific example. but yes, symmetric cipher always reduces to a "parametrized otp".
1717996;1506591608;mircea_popescu;best do it upfront than fucking your own ass with boxes and bs.
1717997;1506592710;shinohai;*05:48:42 	<--	mac_____ (rm@goat.sex) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1717998;1506599708;BingoBoingo;lol-bus
1717999;1506610149;asciilifeform;in other lulzies, https://archive.is/ImVWv >> 'An electronic market maker is suing Quoine, one of the world’s major bitcoin exchange operators, over trades that were allegedly wrongfully reversed... series of trades on April 19, resulting in B2C2 paying 309.2518 ethereum for 3092.517116 bitcoin.... But the next day, the trades were reversed by Quoine... Quoine told B2C2 that it was entitled to do so because the trades were “mostl
1718000;1506610149;asciilifeform;y trades with huge mark-up over fair global market price”, the suit said.'
1718001;1506610188;asciilifeform;'Quoine in turn claims that B2C2 is “being opportunistic and seeking to profit from a technical glitch” It said the trades were “inadvertently” executed at the “abnormal rate of... 10 bitcoins for one ethereum, which was approximately 125 times higher than the actual market price of ethereum on April 19” because of a technical glitch.'
1718002;1506610204;asciilifeform;'It said the glitch arose because it was reconfiguring passwords for its critical systems to fend off persistent attempts by hackers to break into its systems.'
1718003;1506610207;asciilifeform;such cosmic ray.
1718004;1506610272;asciilifeform;usg.ethertardium pumpatron subcontractor caught red-handed by a sharp http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717884 , and tries to weasel out, 'unhappen' the resulting rape.
1718005;1506610272;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 20:31 mircea_popescu: "your honor, i'm smarter than the inca, natch" ?
1718006;1506610396;asciilifeform;'Given the “stark difference between the abnormal rate and the actual market prices of bitcoin and ethereum on April 19”, B2C2, which Quoine called a “sophisticated” investor with experience trading virtual currencies, should have suspected the “abnormal rate” was a mistake. '
1718007;1506610453;asciilifeform;get this, 'they should have known' that it was a usg wash trade to pump ethertadrium price, and simply sat there, not, horror, matching it
1718008;1506610591;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1717995 << see also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716163
1718009;1506610591;a111;Logged on 2017-09-28 09:39 mircea_popescu: not necessarily the specific example. but yes, symmetric cipher always reduces to a "parametrized otp".
1718010;1506610591;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 19:28 asciilifeform: incidentally iirc we did the proof of 'if there is a good hash, there is a good blockcipher, and vice-versa'
1718011;1506610641;asciilifeform;and trivially is same as 'good prng'.
1718012;1506610687;asciilifeform;none of these items -- exist; nor is anything resembling an approach to them, known.
1718013;1506610732;asciilifeform;indices into pi, e, sqrt(2), whichever, are just the same obscurantist voodoo as any other approach.
1718014;1506610805;asciilifeform;( and it is entirely conceivable that some variation on the theme of bbp's function will give you a fast search for 'where in pi might this fuzzy match be' and the like )
1718015;1506611369;asciilifeform;the fundamental boojum preventing anything like a rationally designed blockcipher-hash-prng , is that we do not actually have a theory of average-case problem hardness.
1718016;1506611373;asciilifeform;as discussed in 2016.
1718017;1506611416;asciilifeform;any attempt at proceeding in the absence of said theory, is guaranteed to give you a 'it seemed clever and unbreakable to ME!' idiocy, a la aes et al.
1718018;1506611480;asciilifeform;and, though it may pattern-match http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699167 -- it's still tru. and you can take it to the bank.
1718019;1506611480;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 18:33 mircea_popescu: the way this conversation is going, we can't have children us two until we get the baby room properly furnished and the safest crypto op is one that never finishes.
1718020;1506611564;asciilifeform;which is why i favour using rsa in place of blockcipher-hash-prng, painfully. the actual averagecase hardness of rsa is unknown and will probably remain unknown. but at least when you use ~solely~ rsa, you avoid introducing ANOTHER unknown.
1718021;1506611601;asciilifeform;now you stand and fall strictly by rsa. P(rsabreak) is <= P(rsabreak AND whateverfucktardationyouusedforablockcipherbreak) , in all cases.
1718022;1506611611;asciilifeform;OR , lol
1718023;1506611616;asciilifeform;now you stand and fall strictly by rsa. P(rsabreak) is <= P(rsabreak OR whateverfucktardationyouusedforablockcipherbreak) , in all cases.
1718024;1506612252;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621198 << oblig classic thread.
1718025;1506612252;a111;Logged on 2017-03-02 18:09 asciilifeform: ok i cannot resist answering ben_vulpes . because he will find answer in encyclopaedia, but it will not be an actual answer, but only a thought-extinguisher.
1718026;1506613414;cruciform;so, the logs suggest that my 2048bit RSA key is too short - how do I register a longer one with deedbot?
1718027;1506613491;asciilifeform;cruciform: it's a manual process, you gotta talk to trinque
1718028;1506613494;trinque;there's no automatic way to change your key. sign a full export of a new public key with an old one and I'll make the change.
1718029;1506613509;cruciform;trinque: thanks; sorry for the bother
1718030;1506613524;trinque;well, if you're going to go to this trouble, consider a few other things.
1718031;1506613530;trinque;you generated this key on windows, right?
1718032;1506613538;cruciform;nah, Ubuntu
1718033;1506613549;trinque;k, I guess that was the last one
1718034;1506613558;cruciform;yea
1718035;1506621169;BingoBoingo;So you have two things to fix!
1718036;1506621630;ben_vulpes;cruciform: gpg keys of greater than 2048 bits expose you to retardation in gpg as well
1718037;1506621858;ben_vulpes;trying to find this thread and failing
1718038;1506621941;asciilifeform;!#s gpg rng
1718039;1506621943;a111;21 results for "gpg rng", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gpg%20rng
1718040;1506622005;ben_vulpes;aha ty asciilifeform
1718041;1506622007;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523513 << starting with.
1718042;1506622007;a111;Logged on 2016-08-17 21:26 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2016q3/000395.html << lel
1718043;1506622032;ben_vulpes;cruciform: http://archive.is/4wCFX#selection-163.0-171.97
1718044;1506622297;cruciform;ben_vulpes: thanks for the links
1718045;1506623383;BingoBoingo;"That's exactly the problem. Yesterday I ate a most delicious desert out of my slavegirl's own ass, directly. This dream of many previous sultans and whatnots that nevertheless couldn't ever be fulfilled effortlessly came through, for me. I didn't even much care for it either way," << TMSR problems
1718046;1506623407;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaand crate #3 is here.
1718047;1506623469;ben_vulpes;what are these mysterycrates, asciilifeform ?!
1718048;1506623559;asciilifeform;will announce eventually.
1718049;1506623722;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1718050;1506623728;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4179.0, vol: 11699.73021104 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4180.0, vol: 44660.80177372 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4157.768499, vol: 458.77780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4174.9, vol: 7196.05097395 | Volume-weighted last average: 4179.08461175
1718051;1506643329;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1718052;1506643335;mircea_popescu;hola
1718053;1506643355;mod6;evenin'
1718054;1506643431;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1718006 << pretty lulzy. "sophisticated" has become this actual legal term in the us, meaning approximately "here's what obligations we arbitrarily foist on the other party for our own self serving reasons"
1718055;1506643431;a111;Logged on 2017-09-28 14:53 asciilifeform: 'Given the “stark difference between the abnormal rate and the actual market prices of bitcoin and ethereum on April 19”, B2C2, which Quoine called a “sophisticated” investor with experience trading virtual currencies, should have suspected the “abnormal rate” was a mistake. '
1718056;1506643504;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1718014 << this conceivable is of the same nature of conception as "wilkes proved there's no elliptic curves without modular forms, therefore we can use ecc instead of rsa"
1718057;1506643504;a111;Logged on 2017-09-28 15:00 asciilifeform: ( and it is entirely conceivable that some variation on the theme of bbp's function will give you a fast search for 'where in pi might this fuzzy match be' and the like )
1718058;1506643560;asciilifeform;not so : bbp-like construction makes for inexpensive ~rewind~ when walking the digits, whereas hashes at least try to make it painful
1718059;1506643575;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1718015 << minimum case. the average case is of relatively little interest here. what interests is hardest case, to design solutions for problems (what is currently 100% of all theoretic work done), and minimum case, to guarantee hardness, which is 0% of work done and 100% of republican interest.
1718060;1506643575;a111;Logged on 2017-09-28 15:09 asciilifeform: the fundamental boojum preventing anything like a rationally designed blockcipher-hash-prng , is that we do not actually have a theory of average-case problem hardness.
1718061;1506643595;mircea_popescu;average case has no value for this later branch ; has some limited value for the former branch, to see how "eccentric" the upper bound is.
1718062;1506643600;asciilifeform;oh ffs why we gotta have same thread twice. minimal case is ALWAYS O(1) , it consists of... knowing the answer ahead of time
1718063;1506643602;asciilifeform;i.e. having the key
1718064;1506643614;mircea_popescu;not trivial.
1718065;1506643636;asciilifeform;the concept of 'minimal case for someone who doesn't know the key' is not meaningfully distinct from 'average case'
1718066;1506643637;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing that nonsense. we're discussing the actual blind case.
1718067;1506643641;mircea_popescu;it is.
1718068;1506643646;asciilifeform;demonstrate the distinction ?
1718069;1506643667;mircea_popescu;suppose there's a function that does hashing over a domain consisting of 2^100 possible distinct values.
1718070;1506643689;*;asciilifeform supposes
1718071;1506643692;mircea_popescu;consider the work required to reverse it has been calculated for each value, and is in the domain [a, b].
1718072;1506643714;asciilifeform;ok..
1718073;1506643723;mircea_popescu;the point of interest for the "max case" is b. the point of interest to us is a. the "average case" is either a+b/2 or else ni * weight i / sum i.
1718074;1506643744;mircea_popescu;trivially the average, weighted or not, will be inside the domain and not the lower bound of the domain.
1718075;1506643786;asciilifeform;i get this, this isn't the problem. problem is the dismissal of the knowing-the-answer degenerate case
1718076;1506643808;mircea_popescu;what interests me, when you say "alfhash is 5 trillion hours strong" is that ANY VALUE i pass into alfhash will be reversed in NO LESS than 5 trillion hours.
1718077;1506643823;mircea_popescu;i don't care that "on average it's 5 trillion but for the value you chose it's two weeks"
1718078;1506643830;asciilifeform;i get this. and would like one of these. but strongly suspect that it is a provably square circle.
1718079;1506643838;mircea_popescu;until proven i ask for it.
1718080;1506643857;asciilifeform;i've been asking for it since we 1st had the thread, lol
1718081;1506643865;mircea_popescu;lol. now, let's model the other thing.
1718082;1506643901;mircea_popescu;the correct measurement of hash strength includes two parties, defined as : party A, which knows the plaintext and computes the hash ; and party B, which does not know the plaintext and computes it on the basis of nothing but the hash.
1718083;1506643913;mircea_popescu;a modelling in which b knows the plaintext breaks this definition, and it is therefore not interesting.
1718084;1506643960;asciilifeform;incidentally i just realized that von neumann had this thread. and modelled the item in shannon's terms : he asked that the ciphertext contain 0 bits of info re the plaintext. and proved that this is true if and only if you're using... otp
1718085;1506643978;mircea_popescu;in the common understanding of "hash is hard", what is said is "B can not make any grounded promise that his effort will require less than X work for an arbitrary item chosen by A"
1718086;1506644028;asciilifeform;but as i understand we asked for a squarer even circle : that 'CAN make grounded promise that effort will require AT LEAST x'
1718087;1506644040;mircea_popescu;whereas in the correct, crypto-relevant understanding of "hash is hard", what is said is "B can make grounded promise that his effort will require at least X work"
1718088;1506644077;mircea_popescu;"for as long as the plaintext went through alfhash, it is known as a mathematical fact, irrespecvtive of any considerations, that so many steps must be undertaken to undo it"
1718089;1506644099;mircea_popescu;(this being something i suspect mpfhf fambly MAY be amenable to proving, but i've yet to get anywhere)
1718090;1506644131;asciilifeform;the thing is, 'knows answer ahead of time' is not an all-or-nothing. in any non-otp ( i.e. 1:1 mapping of plaintxt to ciphertxt ) there is nonzero bittage of info in ciphertext, of plaintext
1718091;1506644148;mircea_popescu;this is not evidently true.
1718092;1506644157;asciilifeform;von neumann proved it
1718093;1506644163;mircea_popescu;for instance, the dillutionists propose a similar view of solutions.
1718094;1506644179;mircea_popescu;"in any amount of water there's some nonzero information as to the original solutes"
1718095;1506644198;asciilifeform;if atom did not exist, this would be true
1718096;1506644202;mircea_popescu;right ?
1718097;1506644208;mircea_popescu;how do you know, though.
1718098;1506644233;mircea_popescu;but anyway, there's a difference between "it in principle exists" and anything useful.
1718099;1506644296;asciilifeform;that's the subject of inquiry, neh
1718100;1506644301;mircea_popescu;yes.
1718101;1506644306;asciilifeform;until you have a proof, a hash, cipher, etc. is 'strong until it ain't'
1718102;1506644314;mircea_popescu;i suppose to get fancy we're inquiring whether information is quantified. fine.
1718103;1506644329;asciilifeform;fortunately shannon did this already
1718104;1506644418;asciilifeform;as for the subj of thread, it would also seem to asciilifeform that it in fact reduces to the P =?= NP megapuzzler.
1718105;1506644438;asciilifeform;or rather, requires a proof that P!=NP...
1718106;1506644474;mircea_popescu;in any case, the former statement is an exercise in psychotic nonsense. how the fuck can you demand someone NOT be able to whatever.
1718107;1506644491;mircea_popescu;the evidently philosophically correct formulation is the second, being positive not negative.
1718108;1506644502;asciilifeform;( iirc last time we had the thread, mircea_popescu dug up a few even-moar-painful complexity classes, to place the dragon into. and asciilifeform had to point out that THEIR disjointness from P is equally unproven )
1718109;1506644524;mircea_popescu;actually i recall at some point bring well known super -NP, proven as such, classes.
1718110;1506644531;mircea_popescu;including the algebraic indices problem etc.
1718111;1506644611;asciilifeform;note that, e.g., game of go, is exptime-complete but turns out that good algo exists. complexity class as we have it is a broken concept, which was asciilifeform's argument to start
1718112;1506644660;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1718045 << it's fiction, actually.
1718113;1506644660;a111;Logged on 2017-09-28 18:29 BingoBoingo: "That's exactly the problem. Yesterday I ate a most delicious desert out of my slavegirl's own ass, directly. This dream of many previous sultans and whatnots that nevertheless couldn't ever be fulfilled effortlessly came through, for me. I didn't even much care for it either way," << TMSR problems
1718114;1506644691;mircea_popescu;a...ficcionados (lol) can readily resolve the problem though : douche the girl, then anally feed her a banana for buffer, then load her up in whatever flavour you favour and then proceed to dinner.
1718115;1506644699;mircea_popescu;careful when it starts getting banana-y.
1718116;1506644708;asciilifeform;bbbut howmanydilutions!111
1718117;1506644716;mircea_popescu;you mean ablutions.
1718118;1506644721;asciilifeform;bananutions
1718119;1506644729;mircea_popescu;depends. trained ass needs 2. noob ass, 3+.
1718120;1506644750;mircea_popescu;one of the most fascinating things about anal perversity is that the colon seems particularily eager to enter dual use regime.
1718121;1506644779;mircea_popescu;all the people going "oh, it's against nature" have NO FUCKING IDEA whatsoever as to nature.
1718122;1506644806;asciilifeform;i suppose holding a knife between yer teeth, or a flute, etc is also 'against nature' lol
1718123;1506644813;mircea_popescu;conceivably.
1718124;1506644822;mircea_popescu;pattern matches, at the least.
1718125;1506644838;mircea_popescu;but speech is certainly a perversion, so this argument is hard to bring.
1718126;1506644840;asciilifeform;and if you lick a 9v cell your tongue dereferences a null ptr and falls off, neh
1718127;1506644860;asciilifeform;picture if these imbeciles designed a body for some creature.
1718128;1506644870;asciilifeform;'oh but Who Could Have Foreseen!'
1718129;1506644876;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the platonic alt-theories ?
1718130;1506644882;mircea_popescu;body parts seeping from the ground in a swamp and such ?
1718131;1506644900;asciilifeform;aha, it never really made sense
1718132;1506644902;mircea_popescu;there's a pretty decent pile of lulz.
1718133;1506645334;asciilifeform;re hashes, an old article of possible interest , https://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0012023
1718134;1506645484;asciilifeform;^ offers a solution to the megapuzzler, but takes 'complexity classes ARE disjoint' as a lemma.
1718135;1506645499;asciilifeform;( as conjecture, rather )
1718136;1506645982;asciilifeform;afaik that piece remains 'the last word' on the subj, from the maths folx.
1718137;1506646039;asciilifeform;( the flimflam artists who call themselves 'cryptographers' studiously avoid the subject, and will recoil in horror -- guaranteed, try it yerself -- when confronted. )
1718138;1506646399;mircea_popescu;so what good is it ?
1718139;1506646417;asciilifeform;i highly recommend reading.
1718140;1506646440;mircea_popescu;no i mean the result. "if the classes are separate". well...
1718141;1506646467;*;mircea_popescu is pretty sure read this sometime past years.
1718142;1506646475;asciilifeform;sane discussion of the question, followed by an answer you can go with ( because if it turns out that oneway functions do NOT exist, all crypto other than otp is worthless )
1718143;1506646529;asciilifeform;quite possibly mircea_popescu read it at some point. but did not yet have the correct itch, to appreciate.
1718144;1506646591;mircea_popescu;i am unpersuaded.
1718145;1506646602;mircea_popescu;the whole zfc is still in doubt, for instance.
1718146;1506646618;mircea_popescu;heck, i recently linked to some lulz discussing that. recall cads and his fabled gf ?
1718147;1506646638;asciilifeform;the thing's been in my queue for a while, marked with 'determine what all of the assumptions were'
1718148;1506646656;mircea_popescu;it requires zemelo-frankel conjecture, for one thing.
1718149;1506646757;mircea_popescu;and it requires more than that, if you step out of haskell and try to c, nonsense such as "universal computability", which falls apart the moment you are invited to do relatively "simple" things such as write cubes as sums of coprimes raised to large powers.
1718150;1506646759;asciilifeform;dunno that it is a conjecture when the working set consists strictly of items you can have on a physical comp
1718151;1506646823;mircea_popescu;none of this is dispositive ; what i'm saying here is that im pretty sure i read this, and it didn't come through as much more than tyhe usual math grad wank to me.
1718152;1506646831;asciilifeform;hey if yer gonna take 'presently impossibly difficult' to mean same thing as 'uncomputable', then sha256 is goodenuff
1718153;1506646835;asciilifeform;but thread is re provables.
1718154;1506646858;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you understand this is actually impossible, yes ?
1718155;1506646868;mircea_popescu;exactly like trisection, amusingly for ~same reasons.
1718156;1506646888;asciilifeform;if it's a problem in the integers, and it has an answer, it is 'possible'
1718157;1506646963;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no cube can be written as a sum of two co-primes raised to the power of three or above.
1718158;1506646975;mircea_popescu;the 3 case is proven by euler. the > 3 case flows from you know, wiles' work.
1718159;1506647006;mircea_popescu;it's the converse of the modular math / elliptic curves geometry equivalence.
1718160;1506647013;asciilifeform;oh hah i mentally mutilated mircea_popescu's item into discretelogproblem, because of thread subj
1718161;1506647029;mircea_popescu;right, but that's the very important point there, you don't get it without mutialrtion.
1718162;1506647031;asciilifeform;impossibles dun make for useful crypto, tho
1718163;1506647043;mircea_popescu;right, but what i'm saying is that the original article is much in this vein.
1718164;1506647044;asciilifeform;you want possibles-but-demonstrably-painfuls
1718165;1506647082;asciilifeform;i dun have a verdict on $article yet. will say that it is simply, afaik, the beginning and the end publicly available on the subj.
1718166;1506647091;asciilifeform;other than our thread here.
1718167;1506647174;mircea_popescu;anyway. my point is that the idea that "a practical implementation of the axion of choice always exists" is way WAY further out there than simply thje axiom of choice. WAY. because even "trivial" things (find the coprime n powers that sum to cube) are in point of FACT, know, proven, concrete poured and long dry, strictly incomputable.
1718168;1506647187;mircea_popescu;so what help is it, "any f has its g" if g is in point of fact incomputable, at ALL.
1718169;1506647199;mircea_popescu;f "has it" in a sense of having very mathematical altogether.
1718170;1506647214;asciilifeform;author ~does~ have some strange cockroaches in his head: cites shamir's 'proof that factoring can be O(log N)' but omits to mention that it requires a machine that works in arbitrarily-sized integers in constant time...
1718171;1506647233;mircea_popescu;right.
1718172;1506647270;mircea_popescu;so to sum this up in our lingua franca : one kind of fool says "this confuses me and therefore must be hard". the OTHER kind of fool says "this seems immediately beautiful and to my eyes elegant and therefore must be easy".
1718173;1506647290;mircea_popescu;seems to me the main reason $item stood out to your examination is that in a sea of former fools you finally found a latter kind.
1718174;1506647299;asciilifeform;again i dun have a verdict re the verdict of $subj, all i got in my notes is 'd00d appears to have stated the problem correctly'
1718175;1506647335;*;asciilifeform will come back to this item at some point , when it works its way out of his very long digestive tract
1718176;1506647346;mircea_popescu;i'd propose as heuristics from this that the moment anyone proposes either a) a computable corolary of ZFC, no matter its kind or b) a computable corolary of AOC, no matter its kind, we're lost for reason.
1718177;1506647373;mircea_popescu;because neither of these, even if wrung into acceptability in the most theoretical sense, come with any sort of even vague hope of a possibility of a guarantee of computability.
1718178;1506647389;mircea_popescu;ie, a haskell so pure it doesn't even run on machines, it's paper only.
1718179;1506647517;asciilifeform;apparently you dun get usg.tenure for working on proofs concerning items that map directly to iron
1718180;1506647542;asciilifeform;asciilifeform for instance notices that his phone is not ringing with offers of tenure.
1718181;1506647547;mircea_popescu;lol
1718182;1506647554;mircea_popescu;"offers of tenure". wtf are you on about.
1718183;1506647674;asciilifeform;the one non-negotiable demand of usg.academia, is uselessness.
1718184;1506647810;mircea_popescu;in any case tenure is not like bushels of pistachios, to be offered in trade. it's like "true love", very much of the sociopathic ilk seen in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717417
1718185;1506647810;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 05:09 mircea_popescu: and in other ancient lulz: https://elaineou.com/2009/04/03/advice-for-woman-seeking-500k-earning-man/
1718186;1506647827;mircea_popescu;they'll "offer you" to take them and set their fat ass down in a $5mn apartment in a condo overlooking the pierre.
1718187;1506647828;mircea_popescu;hurr durr.
1718188;1506647878;mircea_popescu;(well known hotel on 61st st (ie, by central park) in ny)
1718189;1506647890;asciilifeform;( point was, academitards swarm around 'demonstrations of clever' glass beads rather than items that demonstrably work, as discussed in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621290 and elsewhere )
1718190;1506647890;a111;Logged on 2017-03-02 20:53 asciilifeform: the 'let's use anything, ANYTHING but rsa' thing really grates on me.
1718191;1506652315;mod6;!!key deedbot
1718192;1506652440;mircea_popescu;!!up deedbot
1718193;1506652441;deedbot;deedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1718194;1506652445;mircea_popescu;!!key deedbot
1718195;1506652453;mircea_popescu;!!key mod6
1718196;1506652985;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718114 << Will have to remember the banana trick
1718197;1506652985;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 00:24 mircea_popescu: a...ficcionados (lol) can readily resolve the problem though : douche the girl, then anally feed her a banana for buffer, then load her up in whatever flavour you favour and then proceed to dinner.
1718198;1506653108;mircea_popescu;nature provides precious few materials of comparable quality for this particular purpose. cuz it has to be soft and occlusive and so on, contrary engineering requirements.
1718199;1506653357;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : miicard.com. "The only way to prove you are who you say you are purely online"
1718200;1506653370;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-conference-freakshow/#selection-103.17-103.95 << 2012 pioneers of industree.
1718201;1506654607;*;BingoBoingo finds it a nice change of pace to have a Trilema fiction story with so much emphasis on the protagonists
1718202;1506655250;mircea_popescu;and in other "asian people should just be holocausted" news : piece of shit router, gets set up to work on static ip, spews out the helpful error message of "the value can't be equal". verbatim. and the source of it is a pile of inclusion gnarl so you can't even trivially debug the nonsense THAT way.
1718203;1506655703;*;asciilifeform hasn't deployed anything but hand-sewn router for maybe 4y+
1718204;1506655843;*;asciilifeform in the company of pet, who is practicing ro-fu
1718205;1506655855;asciilifeform;!!up adlai
1718206;1506655856;deedbot;adlai voiced for 30 minutes.
1718207;1506655872;adlai;good morning asciilifeform
1718208;1506655881;asciilifeform;hiya adlai
1718209;1506655953;asciilifeform;adlai: how lives the land of the sand cat ?
1718210;1506656065;adlai;sand cat?
1718211;1506656113;asciilifeform;little fella. in the desert.
1718212;1506656135;asciilifeform;i saw one in chicago zoo.
1718213;1506656203;adlai;here we mostly have street cats, that are the apex predator of the urban food chain
1718214;1506656450;asciilifeform;soo what brings ya back, adlai ?
1718215;1506656552;adlai;"Reading is to the mind what exercise is to the body"
1718216;1506656588;adlai;curious to see how you've tackled http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716144
1718217;1506656588;a111;Logged on 2017-09-20 19:22 asciilifeform: and incidentally i dun have a nonleaking miller-rabin yet, need nonleaking gcd ( have on paper, but not in ffa yet )
1718218;1506656625;asciilifeform;adlai: the painfully obvious way
1718219;1506656647;asciilifeform;fixed shot count, on mux
1718220;1506656662;asciilifeform;nao just needs proof of correctness...
1718221;1506656831;*;asciilifeform bbl : meat.
1718222;1506657237;*;adlai reads about Lame's theorem: http://archive.is/yftFf
1718223;1506659317;mod6;!!up elaineo
1718224;1506659318;deedbot;elaineo voiced for 30 minutes.
1718225;1506659328;mod6;!!up oroborous
1718226;1506659328;deedbot;oroborous voiced for 30 minutes.
1718227;1506661579;mircea_popescu;and in other superficialities, http://68.media.tumblr.com/63c58c530ee32ef164e9c9016ecb5a13/tumblr_njiap9j3TR1qemzxmo1_400.gif
1718228;1506666618;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717916 <<< none, i did hit up a couple DCs around here, nothing interesting came out of it
1718229;1506666618;a111;Logged on 2017-09-27 22:46 BingoBoingo: davout: I'm wondering if an progress was made finding Francophone datacenters outside France, preferaby in the heart of the dark continent
1718230;1506678608;BingoBoingo;davout: K, will cross continent off list
1718231;1506680671;cruciform;just bcrash, derping as usual: http://fork.lol/pow/retarget
1718232;1506684902;phf;asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/x0p5S/?raw=true$
1718233;1506692499;mod6;mornin'
1718234;1506693295;asciilifeform;!~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/b9fvZ/?raw=true
1718235;1506693295;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1718236;1506702209;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1718237;1506702275;mircea_popescu;sup
1718238;1506702334;asciilifeform;barrett proof
1718239;1506702345;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1718240;1506702358;asciilifeform;well, not quite, but getting there.
1718241;1506702363;mircea_popescu;um.
1718242;1506702368;mircea_popescu;THAT IS NOT QUITE SAME THING
1718243;1506702392;asciilifeform;when have complete proof, will say it in complete sentence!111!
1718244;1506702398;mircea_popescu;haha ok.
1718245;1506702406;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718201 << wait, as opposed to whim ?!
1718246;1506702406;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 03:10 BingoBoingo finds it a nice change of pace to have a Trilema fiction story with so much emphasis on the protagonists
1718247;1506702410;mircea_popescu;i mean whom. although...
1718248;1506702493;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718203 << i believe. it is not currently directly evident anything else CAN be used, even.
1718249;1506702493;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 03:28 asciilifeform hasn't deployed anything but hand-sewn router for maybe 4y+
1718250;1506702545;asciilifeform;i certainly can't bring myself to use the konsoomer crapola, when making a replacement that lasts ~forever and requires 0 nursing, is hardly even day's work
1718251;1506702579;*;asciilifeform checks router in room and finds ~year of uptime, and would be longer if i hadn't cleaned it last winter
1718252;1506702601;mircea_popescu;and in today's installment of loose holes and limp knees, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b0c7cea42f4b64cc3965fe43817b45da/tumblr_nskr27Zx6h1u9uov7o1_400.gif
1718253;1506702640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whatr do you use, actual comps ? or rasperry lulz ?
1718254;1506702676;asciilifeform;typically neither:
1718255;1506702695;asciilifeform;this one, for example, is a defanged (refirmwared) 'edgerouter'
1718256;1506702703;asciilifeform;64bit mips thing, there was a thread
1718257;1506702728;asciilifeform;another pretty good one is that very same pcengines box, from ~that~ thread
1718258;1506702734;mircea_popescu;ah. i guess, if you keep lists of which ones aren't too stupid byu nature
1718259;1506702755;asciilifeform;just about anything with a few GB nic ports, fanless cpu, and some place to stick netbsd etc, worx
1718260;1506702774;asciilifeform;also helps if it has a serial port ( mine do )
1718261;1506702782;mircea_popescu;with the downside that you're now stuck maintaining netbsd.
1718262;1506702791;asciilifeform;maintaining?!
1718263;1506702795;mircea_popescu;well ?
1718264;1506702799;asciilifeform;you stick it on and weld it shut
1718265;1506702812;mircea_popescu;need i quote at you ?
1718266;1506702821;*;trinque doesn't have GB internet connection, so old G4 + openbsd works great
1718267;1506702837;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717601
1718268;1506702837;a111;Logged on 2017-09-26 15:45 asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/roEgM >> privesc 0day : '...all versions of CentOS 7 before 1708 (released on September 13, 2017), all versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 before 7.4 (released on August 1, 2017), and all versions of CentOS 6 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 are exploitable' << Aaaaaaand as usual linus sat on the goods since april, because 'responsible'
1718269;1506702854;mircea_popescu;trinque except you gotta maintain openbsd now.
1718270;1506702855;asciilifeform;why would a router care re privesc
1718271;1506702864;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would the next one be re privesc.
1718272;1506702876;trinque;I dunno what maintain means here
1718273;1506702892;mircea_popescu;that at any future point you must be able to produce a package you're willing to label "openbsd"
1718274;1506702902;mircea_popescu;as opposed to, say randomly, "a piece of junk"
1718275;1506702907;trinque;sure, that much is true.
1718276;1506702918;mircea_popescu;well that much is also the entirety of the problem.
1718277;1506702919;asciilifeform;router is a pretty simple item, incidentally, and a good first candidate for proper total deunixation
1718278;1506702920;trinque;I'm still of the mind that I'd rather eat openbsd than linux
1718279;1506702925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is true.
1718280;1506702953;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah, but i was just making the point for his benefit that his elaborately crafted turd is not so much better than the 40 bux consumer turd.
1718281;1506702971;mircea_popescu;"oh, i never eat at mcdonalds, i always cook all my meals at home out of cheese squares and hormel pork sausage"
1718282;1506702980;asciilifeform;eats packet (on either end), looks at a few fields, either accepts (then rewrites a few fields and shits out of other arse) or rejects (drops on floor)
1718283;1506702982;asciilifeform;so on ad infinitum
1718284;1506702983;trinque;hm yeah, no point of honor in it
1718285;1506703080;asciilifeform;there's no particular reason why a router oughta contain a few 100MB of unixlike, rather than, say, a few kB of fpga config.
1718286;1506703141;mircea_popescu;very true.
1718287;1506703146;*;asciilifeform wonders whether anybody would actually buy a generic fpgatronic packet eater-shitter
1718288;1506703153;*;trinque raises hand
1718289;1506703174;mod6;ya
1718290;1506703176;mircea_popescu;if it can be delivered a la FG, and it doesn't cost MUCH more than the current shits, defo.
1718291;1506703202;asciilifeform;would prolly cost roughly what you'd expect it to if you napkin calc.
1718292;1506703225;asciilifeform;( hundy or so, in small qty , by my reckoning )
1718293;1506703255;mircea_popescu;not bad. current ones are what, fiddybux.
1718294;1506703301;asciilifeform;'edge' was a hundy, but it had nice steel chassis, etc. ( and also i suspect sold at a loss, stock firmware was brazenly nsaware )
1718295;1506703344;mircea_popescu;ah, if nice chassis and stuff like that, total steal.
1718296;1506703354;mircea_popescu;actually... pogos ?
1718297;1506703368;asciilifeform;pogo's only got 1 nic
1718298;1506703376;mircea_popescu;ah right.
1718299;1506703387;trinque;that pcengines guy's a great one, 3 nics.
1718300;1506703395;asciilifeform;trinque: aha, worx great
1718301;1506703407;trinque;sad thing that they lost the debug port
1718302;1506703408;asciilifeform;that's typically what they're used for
1718303;1506703410;mircea_popescu;does 3 nics mean you could plug it into two internets and have it splice ?
1718304;1506703422;asciilifeform;trinque: theoretically they still have the port, it just dun work without amd magic key
1718305;1506703439;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it means exactly what your own handmade box with 3 nics means -- can splice, balance, whichever
1718306;1506703486;mircea_popescu;well, i would defo buy a bunch of these if properly set up so they can be ip x in wan1 and ip y in wan2 and then establish sessions through the least decongested one at all times.
1718307;1506703497;mircea_popescu;so different pages in kitten's self-same browser think they're different ips.
1718308;1506703514;mircea_popescu;least congested*
1718309;1506703567;mircea_popescu;in fact, i'd even declare it an absolutely required bit of republican computing, as such. because it does make a first step towards the specifically stated uci goal, "location ambiguity"
1718310;1506703585;mircea_popescu;shit's in gossipd design papers too, and really everywhere.
1718311;1506703682;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can they hang like 8 lan ports off the 2nd nic ? and can they not have fucking wireless, too ? DUN DUN DUN, perfect final hop router.
1718312;1506703746;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'edge' has 1 usb hole , and it is inside, holds the flash stick it runs of. so not really a place to put wireless. 'pcengines' has 2 usb holes and 3 internal pci-e, plus antenna hole predrilled, so theoretically yes
1718313;1506703767;*;asciilifeform typically has separate boxes for 80211, in places where he has the latter
1718314;1506703819;mircea_popescu;fuck the fucking wireless.
1718315;1506703842;asciilifeform;possibly i misread q
1718316;1506703847;asciilifeform;as 'can it have wireless'
1718317;1506703861;asciilifeform;but no, neither comes with wireless nic, wtf
1718318;1506703889;asciilifeform;who the fuck would put wireless nic in a final hop router, lol
1718319;1506703930;mircea_popescu;i'd buy shit without wireless in preference of shit with, even if same exact shit.
1718320;1506703949;mircea_popescu;the only fucking reason wireless exists is the dumbass "smartphones". fucking civilisation enders.
1718321;1506703992;asciilifeform;then good noose -- both of the example boxes, contain strictly classic nics
1718322;1506704248;mod6;sweet
1718323;1506704342;mircea_popescu;hm
1718324;1506704366;mircea_popescu;weird 7second+ lag shit.
1718325;1506704387;mircea_popescu;and speaking of freenode bs : "* - A massive thank you to our sponsors and exibitors: Private Internet Access, Canonical, Bytemark, yubico, Open Rights Group, Free Software Foundation, OpenSUSE, Minetest, KDE, bitcoin.com."
1718326;1506704392;mircea_popescu;for the thing they kept spamming.
1718327;1506704421;mircea_popescu;apparently my boxes aren't needed, but hell yea roger ver's "money" that doesn't exist is more than welcome. and plox moar yubikey and canonical and if it's not fucking plain yet...
1718328;1506704498;trinque;bbl
1718329;1506704551;asciilifeform;i'm a little surprised that 'linux foundation' and prb foundation ain't on that list
1718330;1506704562;asciilifeform;then it could be truly compleeet
1718331;1506705192;mod6;heheh
1718332;1506707094;asciilifeform;!!up Ingolfr_Arnarson
1718333;1506707094;deedbot;Ingolfr_Arnarson voiced for 30 minutes.
1718334;1506708274;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718245 << As opposed to the Disgrace rewrite which didn't have much from the Petrus perspective
1718335;1506708274;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 16:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718201 << wait, as opposed to whim ?!
1718336;1506709725;BingoBoingo;In the latest from the 'Reality Winner' saga: "Accused NSA leaker was angry over Fox News always being on in the office"
1718337;1506709784;BingoBoingo;And the printed documents were smuggled out in her pantyhose
1718338;1506709991;asciilifeform;relatedly, is there a 'fawkes news' in britain ? and if not, why not.
1718339;1506713253;asciilifeform;!!up fromphuctor
1718340;1506713253;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
1718341;1506713259;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: hello ?
1718342;1506713280;fromphuctor;good evening sirs
1718343;1506713287;asciilifeform;who might you be, fromphuctor ?
1718344;1506713302;fromphuctor;lurker mostly
1718345;1506713320;trinque;wjat
1718346;1506713325;trinque;*what's the other bit, aside the mostly?
1718347;1506713405;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: well you picked up the microphone... so speak
1718348;1506713410;fromphuctor;ah, no nothing related to your affairs yet, so lurker totally... wanted to check pgp on some os and came across phuctor
1718349;1506713423;fromphuctor;klicked on a link, now here
1718350;1506713449;fromphuctor;go on with your things, i ask if i want to know sth
1718351;1506713464;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: if you're curious re phuctor, i recommend to read the faq page
1718352;1506713478;fromphuctor;duh
1718353;1506713602;fromphuctor;ah now i remember my question
1718354;1506713641;fromphuctor;i wanted to read about the relationship between math and programming languages
1718355;1506713734;asciilifeform;more specifically ?
1718356;1506713747;fromphuctor;basically the question is what is the relationship between math and programming languages
1718357;1506713781;fromphuctor;do you know authors that describe that in any way ?
1718358;1506713800;asciilifeform;a. turing & a. church
1718359;1506713857;asciilifeform;and ~all of the mathematical work was done long before there existed such a thing as a programmable comp
1718360;1506713886;fromphuctor;that is why i find it is worth investigating
1718361;1506713915;asciilifeform;if you want a kindergarten b00k in english, try feynman's 'lectures on computation'
1718362;1506713964;fromphuctor;i would have thought maybe russian authors would be more suited
1718363;1506713969;asciilifeform;the way you phrased the question suggests that your road to grasping the answer, is long
1718364;1506713977;fromphuctor;yes
1718365;1506714033;asciilifeform;if you really must have in ru, here's where asciilifeform started, as a 4yo, https://royallib.com/read/zaretskiy_andrey/a_ya_bil_v_kompyuternom_gorode.html#0
1718366;1506714122;fromphuctor;ohnicethx sir, one link at a time, chugging along on the road
1718367;1506714278;fromphuctor;about the Phuctor/PGP related things i ask another time
1718368;1506714306;fromphuctor;checking my phrasing before
1718369;1506714340;fromphuctor;thank you asciilifeform
1718370;1506714497;asciilifeform;sure.
1718371;1506714857;asciilifeform;in other lulz, via BingoBoingo , '"Reality, uh, you know we obviously know a lot more than... than what we're telling you at this point. And I think you know a lot more than what you're telling us at this point. I don't want you to go down the wrong road. I think you need to... to stop and think about what you're saying and what you're doing. Uhm, you know, I... I think it's a... an opportunity to maybe tell the truth. Because, uh, t
1718372;1506714857;asciilifeform;elling a... telling a lie to an FBI agent is not going to be the right thing."'
1718373;1506714864;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1718374;1506715108;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NmbxE/?raw=true << somewhat miserable ocr of https://arstechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/winnertranscript-1.pdf . lulzy.
1718375;1506715420;asciilifeform;^ prolly most detailed record of usg gasenwagen session to date
1718376;1506715613;asciilifeform;summary : chix was not 'silent like partizan', no.
1718377;1506715706;asciilifeform;in other idiocies, https://archive.is/zI6Xm >> '... mysterious attacks that left diplomats with hearing damage and brain injuries, the State Department announced...' << somebody lock'em up in schizo ward, like they do to their victims back home, per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548698
1718378;1506715706;a111;Logged on 2016-09-26 17:33 asciilifeform: incidentally i find it quite hilarious that three years after the snowden catalogue leak, the constellation of symptoms of rf bug illuminator victims is still Officially 'schizo'
1718379;1506716517;trinque;this transcript is such a fucking snore, ye gods
1718380;1506716550;trinque;smells a lot like "hey lets get srsbsns PROOF of russian hax into the news"
1718381;1506716589;trinque;http://archive.is/ooCb6 << and not read her rights!
1718382;1506716601;trinque;chick's gonna get out in a few years and get paid under the table, disappear
1718383;1506716667;trinque;the feds meanwhile read like stuttery, inarticulate derps.
1718384;1506717296;ben_vulpes;pink ar-15, that's pretty damn funny.
1718385;1506719102;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it's so as not to stand out from the scenery when fighting on planets with pink vegetation and soil, clearly
1718386;1506719138;asciilifeform;or perhaps for urban combat inside those old-school lunatic asylums where the walls were pinked...
1718387;1506719278;mats;https://www.coindesk.com/edward-snowden-zcash-is-most-interesting-bitcoin-alternative handpuppet adds zcash to list of suspect items that include tor browser bundle, tail, signal
1718388;1506719319;mats;tails*
1718389;1506719345;asciilifeform;!#s zcash
1718390;1506719346;a111;27 results for "zcash", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=zcash
1718391;1506719376;*;asciilifeform had nfi it were still around 
1718392;1506719422;asciilifeform;comically idiotic thing, nearly made ethertardium look sane in comparison
1718393;1506719482;asciilifeform;it's the one where they pretended to destroy the magical infinite-inflatolade-creation key
1718394;1506719538;mats;countless mentions to that and monero in every hn thread about bitcoin - more privacy! anon by default! diversify your holdings! *waves hands*
1718395;1506722038;asciilifeform;'Writing in response to a tweet from technologist Mason Borda which read: "Zcash is the only altcoin (that i know of) designed and built by professional and academic cryptographers. Hard to ignore," Snowden replied, "Agree."'
1718396;1506722047;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1718397;1506722224;asciilifeform;mats: word 'suspect' implies uncertainty. cyanide is not a 'suspect' poison, tor, signal, etc are not 'suspect' usgologies.
1718398;1506724816;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1718399;1506724822;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4165.06, vol: 12049.97783533 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4180.0, vol: 38487.5737384 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4085.44, vol: 515.89440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4178.0, vol: 4218.02692379 | Volume-weighted last average: 4175.70762846
1718400;1506727248;BingoBoingo;In seekoority ex-part solutions https://i.redditmedia.com/gBXKccLboeUOlm_zCZmx8ruCfFGrPGQFP_TrYzI6Hwg.jpg?w=768&s=b332705632a052c59962b430f7b6ac1e
1718401;1506727661;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718334 << well the idea there was that petrus being petrus is illiterate. not in the sense of not pretending to be able to write, but in the sense of actually not having anything to say.
1718402;1506727661;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 18:04 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718245 << As opposed to the Disgrace rewrite which didn't have much from the Petrus perspective
1718403;1506727699;mircea_popescu;the metrosexuals describe themselves, for lack of anyone else interested. apart from that, the victims describe the rapists and thassat.
1718404;1506727745;BingoBoingo;Still, his illiteracy doesn't make Petrus any less the protagonist in the story of things that happened to David
1718405;1506727779;mircea_popescu;proto-gonadist at any rater.
1718406;1506727785;mircea_popescu;but yes.
1718407;1506727844;BingoBoingo;It's still more than David is
1718408;1506728481;asciilifeform;the spartan speaks with his... meatsword
1718409;1506728512;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718370 << incidentally, maybe time to take the webirc link off phuctor ?
1718410;1506728512;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 19:48 asciilifeform: sure.
1718411;1506728545;asciilifeform;!#s from:fromphuctor
1718412;1506728546;a111;165 results for "from:fromphuctor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Afromphuctor
1718413;1506728590;asciilifeform;^ dun weigh much, and even not all rubbish
1718414;1506728610;mircea_popescu;if you enjoy it...
1718415;1506728637;mircea_popescu;the original reasoning was that actual high value individuals might need the fast track, for lack of you know, dissemination in their backwater barios.
1718416;1506728643;mircea_popescu;it's been years, the argument no longer stands.
1718417;1506728657;asciilifeform;165 ln. to date
1718418;1506728680;mircea_popescu;i'm not saying it's a big deal, no.
1718419;1506728711;asciilifeform;when idjits start appearing every month even, then, then .
1718420;1506728723;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718383 << because they... are. and the chick's not silent because she expects to actually comandeer the fucking agents.
1718421;1506728723;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 20:24 trinque: the feds meanwhile read like stuttery, inarticulate derps.
1718422;1506728760;mircea_popescu;somehow, and i have yuet to pierce this mystery, people on the side of pantsuit always assume they own the world, natively. whereas people on the side of the republic, at least verbally, always assume the opposite, and start derping about how i've to prove shit and so on.
1718423;1506728775;mircea_popescu;you won't hear Ireality Winner derp about how "what proof can Pantsuited Hilarity bring ?"
1718424;1506728821;mircea_popescu;her line isn't "maybe it's good that fox news is on because what proof does sanders have that it isn't ?"
1718425;1506728870;mircea_popescu;a restatement of the old adage, "the problem with socialism is that idiots are always cocksure ; everyone else, full of doubts"
1718426;1506729160;asciilifeform;'proof' , also note, ain't magic: there were and still somewhere are folx doubting , e.g., output of phuctor, even though all that is needed to verify is a copy of bc, python, whichever calculator, and a few min.
1718427;1506729172;mircea_popescu;absolutely.
1718428;1506729198;mircea_popescu;laziness is immediate. reason works through the mediacy of the most fragile, most expensive, least dependable mechanism known in nature.
1718429;1506729218;asciilifeform;you can lead a swine to perls but you can't make him... or how did it go.
1718430;1506729236;mircea_popescu;you can't make her a string of anal beads out of them ?
1718431;1506729238;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> a restatement of the old adage, "the problem with socialism is that idiots are always cocksure ; everyone else, full of doubts" << But how else would Taq1A be so successful if women didn't like making baby with drunks?
1718432;1506729249;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i have nfi.
1718433;1506729261;mircea_popescu;it's a legitimate open question in ev biology.
1718434;1506729289;asciilifeform;fermentation in unrefrigerated world aint optional
1718435;1506729301;asciilifeform;so imho no puzzler there
1718436;1506729330;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that it is almost a tracer for "eastern european plains" genotypes. whereas azn ppls had alcohol for thousand+ years longer.
1718437;1506729413;mircea_popescu;(see also eg https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3657369/ )
1718438;1506729480;asciilifeform;this ^ is first time i see 'chinese' and 'depressive disorder' in same sentence
1718439;1506729485;mircea_popescu;heh
1718440;1506729520;mircea_popescu;i will point it out that prior to say 1500, people didn't see "sioux" and "drunkedness" in same sentence either.
1718441;1506729522;asciilifeform;what's next, dystrophic americans..?
1718442;1506729544;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Taq1A is on of the few genetic markers with STRONG behavioral predictive relation
1718443;1506729554;mircea_popescu;relatively strong.
1718444;1506729694;*;BingoBoingo did swab thing back in pre-Republican before time when more bold than paranoid, supposedly has polyorphism. Responded with "Fuck you genes, I do what I want" ran until
1718445;1506729698;BingoBoingo;!~step1
1718446;1506729698;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
1718447;1506729717;mircea_popescu;heh
1718448;1506729739;*;BingoBoingo was trying to see what percent victim I was
1718449;1506729812;BingoBoingo;But that was when still on campus and suffering reality distortion bubble maintained there
1718450;1506729900;asciilifeform;if usg wants asciilifeform's genomic samples, whether for phrenological nonsense or to plant on the deathray trigger that killed jfk or whichever, they can bloody well come and collect at own expense. i ain't sending any.
1718451;1506729938;BingoBoingo;This was an earlier more innocent time. Bitcoin was trading in the single digits after coming down from an all time high
1718452;1506730008;mircea_popescu;this lulzy property of bitcoin. "all time high" moar like "old time high"
1718453;1506730065;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu recall how at one time every facility with a newfangled xerox machine, had an особист watchin' over it ?
1718454;1506730081;mircea_popescu;hey, large lulz in ro about you recall, "registering" typewritters.
1718455;1506730092;asciilifeform;the obvious parallel with kanzure and dna sequencers/synths
1718456;1506730129;mircea_popescu;psh. that guy didn't go around trying to get upvotes for the Minitruth facebook page.
1718457;1506730171;asciilifeform;nah but he makes sure to be present for every 'amateur bio' konference whichever, and rats
1718458;1506730188;mircea_popescu;"citizen! retween khannikov! it is your patriotic duty!"
1718459;1506730412;asciilifeform;the typewriter thing lives on, as the famous yellow dots.
1718460;1506730430;mircea_popescu;technologee amirite.
1718461;1506730445;asciilifeform;( btw i've yet to see a firmware defanger published for any brand of colortreekiller, to date. )
1718462;1506730462;mircea_popescu;not even defanger, a randomizer.
1718463;1506730483;asciilifeform;prolly on account of nobody giving half a shit re traceability of lolcat hardcopy
1718464;1506730513;mircea_popescu;i took girls to cr natl bank museum today ; in the numismatic section they had local scrip
1718465;1506730523;mircea_popescu;as used on banana plantations, by the rail yard etc.
1718466;1506730536;asciilifeform;oh hey i recall the ar museum piece
1718467;1506730537;mircea_popescu;all sorts of lulz, pieces of plain paper, bachelite coins, you name it
1718468;1506730556;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the obvious parallel with kanzure and dna sequencers/synths << Except this was back when you had to be Google wife rich to open a DNA startup
1718469;1506730561;mircea_popescu;"you telling me they couldn't falsify these ?!" "who ? a bunch of monkeys being forced to work for the first time in their lineage, at gunpoint ?"
1718470;1506730604;mircea_popescu;you'll be surprised how few nominally white humanrightsourdemocracy items can actually do work.
1718471;1506730612;asciilifeform;auschwitz scrip was pretty spartan also, lol
1718472;1506730655;BingoBoingo;!!Up cazalla
1718473;1506730655;deedbot;cazalla voiced for 30 minutes.
1718474;1506730672;asciilifeform;the strongest fence is always the one in the head
1718475;1506730683;asciilifeform;not in the coin, bill, etc
1718476;1506730699;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Qntra is down until The Republic has one or more ISP providers, latest hoster commited mortal sin of using USG.MS.EmailProvider
1718477;1506730709;mircea_popescu;at least the bribri had the excuse of being born subhuman.
1718478;1506730727;mircea_popescu;reality winner and her wannabe qntra friends constructed her own subhumanity.
1718479;1506730758;BingoBoingo;BRB, sobertime
1718480;1506730766;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well, also the ole "we'll need to tap your servers kthx" nonsenser.
1718481;1506730785;asciilifeform;comically hamhanded
1718482;1506730799;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure, that too.
1718483;1506730812;asciilifeform;srsly wtf, can't just use the fritz chip like civilized stasi?
1718484;1506730825;asciilifeform;why gotta molest hdd.
1718485;1506730825;BingoBoingo;Outlook.com in 2017 is pretty fucking disqualifying too
1718486;1506730855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why, because they can't do anything else right, they'll magically manage THAT one ?
1718487;1506730861;mircea_popescu;as buggy as everything else they got.
1718488;1506730874;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the shameful piece is that it's a forced mistake, anyone still using email-with-civilians is stuck in the google-microshit corral nao
1718489;1506730887;asciilifeform;alternative is random message loss
1718490;1506730899;mircea_popescu;i didn't forbid them from growing a wot presence.
1718491;1506730909;mircea_popescu;it'd have proven more lucrative than the outlook bs.
1718492;1506731022;asciilifeform;wot presence while stealing disks would be even more brazen, neh
1718493;1506731034;mircea_popescu;also wouldn't last.
1718494;1506731059;asciilifeform;the real q is what forced to steal disks etc
1718495;1506731086;asciilifeform;'... or have problems' ?
1718496;1506731100;mircea_popescu;"what forced the idiot to do something stupid" orly ?
1718497;1506731114;asciilifeform;ordinary idiocy obeys leastactionprinciple
1718498;1506731119;asciilifeform;like light paths
1718499;1506731129;cazalla;BingoBoingo, ah okay :\ dailystormer just got shoah'd again, this time from .is extension heh
1718500;1506731132;mircea_popescu;not tru. it is merely NORMALLY DISTRIBUTED around path of least resistance
1718501;1506731154;asciilifeform;what's .is ? isis?!
1718502;1506731161;cazalla;iceland but same thing
1718503;1506731162;mircea_popescu;island.
1718504;1506731169;mircea_popescu;iceland, right.
1718505;1506731206;asciilifeform;lol still feeding dns beast
1718506;1506731208;cazalla;it was claimed that for them to steal the .is domain, it'd have to go to parliment or some shit but they just skipped that and nuked it anyway heh
1718507;1506731225;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they've fixated on this "swedish system". somehow they believe the eskimo are not shit.
1718508;1506731227;mircea_popescu;nfi why.
1718509;1506731246;mircea_popescu;socialists tend to worship the north apparently.
1718510;1506731324;cazalla;shame about qntra, off to eat my steak now, hope you're all doing well
1718511;1506731483;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i see it, the dersturmer+dns folx are fixated on 'pushing', i.e. 'if i use raw ip, how will audience who sits with open mouths waiting for rain, know where the replacement box lives if isp evicts'
1718512;1506731502;asciilifeform;by all rights they oughta be using shortwave, not www
1718513;1506731508;mircea_popescu;hence why they are called socialists ; just as much so as their brethren pushing ourdemocracy.
1718514;1506731520;asciilifeform;( why are there not digital shortwave crackpot stations
1718515;1506731524;asciilifeform;.?)
1718516;1506731541;mircea_popescu;and it's evident they both work for hitler, by all sorts of signs. remember the straggler chick that ended up in here, and found out by accident about how yiuy know, there are alternatives ?
1718517;1506731545;mircea_popescu;where is she now ?
1718518;1506731560;asciilifeform;i expect somewhere with open mouth, towards sky
1718519;1506731566;mircea_popescu;oh, mr. brian brainwashed her back into the inzone ?
1718520;1506731594;asciilifeform;didn't, iirc, show any signs of cure
1718521;1506731604;asciilifeform;to begin with
1718522;1506731616;mircea_popescu;my memory is that the summation read "o wow, you guys rock, i am very influential in my own tribe will redirect leadership tomorrow"
1718523;1506731627;mircea_popescu;turns out -- not influential. why not ?
1718524;1506731631;asciilifeform;i can picture:
1718525;1506731646;asciilifeform;leadership: 'stfu, we'll use signal, in iseland'
1718526;1506731658;asciilifeform;over tor tails
1718527;1506731663;mircea_popescu;i can picture too. that tribe, like the yarvin tribe, like the yukowsky tribe, like all the "alt" bullshits, exactly like "debian was an early apple appstore" and so on.
1718528;1506731664;asciilifeform;paid in zonero
1718529;1506731699;mircea_popescu;they have a consensus alright.
1718530;1506731736;mircea_popescu;"freedom of choice" aka "we will either choose coca cola"
1718531;1506731840;asciilifeform;choose! zerocoin or zcash or ethertardium!1!
1718532;1506731862;asciilifeform;classic or unlimited.
1718533;1506731924;mircea_popescu;the principle is evident in their tracts, too. "a guide so that ~anyone~ meet girls. you're not fundamentally broken, you just miss this software". right ? the important part of socialism, preserved. or you know, "racism" but never in the sense of "you joe are no good, go away", always in th4e sense of "we are so dedicated to collectiove salvation, we want to sacrifice a soandso identified auslander collective"
1718534;1506731958;mircea_popescu;there's entirely no difference between bush's "no kid left behind" and usgistani "fascist's" no derp left behind.
1718535;1506731983;asciilifeform;original fascists also had to make use of marginals
1718536;1506731986;asciilifeform;how else
1718537;1506731997;mircea_popescu;there are no marginals. this is the important point.
1718538;1506732002;mircea_popescu;genuine fascists shot the fucking infirm.
1718539;1506732019;asciilifeform;d00dz who fell through the floor of their civ for whatever reason
1718540;1506732021;mircea_popescu;these schmucks are not in any sense that ; they wish to "everyone", and wish it so deeply they are willing to take some COLLECTIVE limits, is all.
1718541;1506732032;mircea_popescu;in a sense, the "fascists" are more progressive than the "progressive"
1718542;1506732128;asciilifeform;all 'mass movement' types fit this pattern
1718543;1506732134;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1718544;1506732146;mircea_popescu;depends how you define "mass movement", if you define by the pattern then definitely.
1718545;1506732157;asciilifeform;you can't filter signal if all you got is noise
1718546;1506732176;mircea_popescu;would you call the push west a mass movement ?
1718547;1506732184;asciilifeform;exclusivity applied to homo redditus gives the null set.
1718548;1506732225;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was speaking of 'movement' in the pol.agitation sense, rather than 'there's gold in them hills'
1718549;1506732244;mircea_popescu;then of course it meets the pattern, you defined it on its basis.
1718550;1506732304;mircea_popescu;anyway, plenty of lulz to be had with the idiots. ask usgistani "extreme right" socialist flavour whether he'd shoot quadriplegic comatose septuagenarian white guy to save life of pregnant woman, race of father unknown.
1718551;1506732353;mircea_popescu;unlike the run of the mill pantsuit, they usually don't have the canned "we don't shoot anyone" cop out
1718552;1506732391;asciilifeform;can also ask the sacramental 'вилку в глаз , или в жопу раз ?'
1718553;1506732408;mircea_popescu;(gentle reminder : the odds of father being same race as mother is a hefty 99.5% today ; about same as it was in times and places where it was actually illegal.)
1718554;1506732419;asciilifeform;( which is what the 'whom to kill' rebuses always remind me of )
1718555;1506732442;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they somehow got accepted by "scientific" efforts in ethics etc at harvard and so.
1718556;1506732462;mircea_popescu;don't ask me wtf sense they';re supposed to make, i dun see it.
1718557;1506732468;asciilifeform;same folx who gave us 'philosophical zombie' etc
1718558;1506732475;asciilifeform;qualia! tulpas!!
1718559;1506732543;mircea_popescu;in other almost lulz https://warosu.org/biz/thread/3659322#p3659725
1718560;1506732581;asciilifeform;dafuq's that
1718561;1506732702;mircea_popescu;apparently there was an announced pump of the bch scamcoin
1718562;1506732705;mircea_popescu;which fizzled.
1718563;1506732793;asciilifeform;https://i.warosu.org/data/biz/img/0036/59/1506689270035.jpg << via subj. win.
1718564;1506732810;mircea_popescu;lol
1718565;1506732872;mircea_popescu;anyway, numerically, mit&co burned some money to try and make the dead cat bounce towards .11, failed miserably within an hour, .1 looking doubtful.
1718566;1506732878;asciilifeform;also wtf is an 'announced pump' if not redditusbait put out pre dump.
1718567;1506732901;mircea_popescu;for instance, a "conference" ; an "Agreement", other consensuses. the so and so protocol. you name it.
1718568;1506732963;asciilifeform;https://pastebin.com/2nEbui0K << from subj also, a lulzy 'Русс Здавайсс'
1718569;1506732996;asciilifeform;( is there a name for these in engl?? )
1718570;1506733002;mircea_popescu;i always like people who can't distinguish its value from it's time to suck my cock.
1718571;1506733127;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718385 << which is to say up her own snatch.
1718572;1506733127;a111;Logged on 2017-09-29 21:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's so as not to stand out from the scenery when fighting on planets with pink vegetation and soil, clearly
1718573;1506733153;asciilifeform;can't think of where else on planet3, pink scenery
1718574;1506733183;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but it wasn't fiction, this is actual product, i saw it in store
1718575;1506733210;mircea_popescu;hey, i made respectable woman buy herself glitzy gold sequin shoes. it's a sex thing.
1718576;1506733211;asciilifeform;pink, i shit ther not, stocks, grips, straps, etc
1718577;1506733239;mircea_popescu;"but i look like a bimbo" "that's precisely the idea"
1718578;1506733246;asciilifeform;once even saw barrel pink ( how ? and does it crack and flake when fired? i've nfi )
1718579;1506733261;mircea_popescu;pretty sure you can chrome them in colors.
1718580;1506733279;asciilifeform;dun think you can anodize to pink
1718581;1506733284;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1718582;1506733306;asciilifeform;at any rate it looked matte / painted
1718583;1506733323;mircea_popescu;lol. what'd you like the barrel to be ? rifled OR PAINTED ?
1718584;1506733343;mircea_popescu;"can you paint the rifling on ?"
1718585;1506733351;asciilifeform;hey it isn't so much moar idiotic than the ubiquitous, in monkeystans, gilded kalash
1718586;1506733375;mircea_popescu;"our quantum computer-based holographic imaging dept is working on a paint-on rifling solution sir!"
1718587;1506733389;asciilifeform;or for that matter sultan's yatagan with kg of j00lz
1718588;1506733408;mircea_popescu;those items were ceremonial. you've seen the sword of king who actually used it,
1718589;1506733413;mircea_popescu;iirc i linked pic.
1718590;1506733431;asciilifeform;aha and i'm sure chapo had also normal kalash
1718591;1506733450;mircea_popescu;well not in 1500
1718592;1506733459;asciilifeform;point being that pink m16 is equally ceremonial item
1718593;1506733485;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718575
1718594;1506733485;a111;Logged on 2017-09-30 01:00 mircea_popescu: hey, i made respectable woman buy herself glitzy gold sequin shoes. it's a sex thing.
1718595;1506733517;asciilifeform;possib.
1718596;1506733555;asciilifeform;you wouldn't do that to a rifle you actually expected to use as-designed tho.
1718597;1506733616;mircea_popescu;contrary to usg media depictions, women that can fire infantry weapons are not usually women you'd like to fuck.
1718598;1506733634;mircea_popescu;everywhere but on sony set -- exists recoil.
1718599;1506733666;asciilifeform;su chix-only sniping school somehow managed.
1718600;1506733678;mircea_popescu;(i don't even mean bulk per se. most fucktoys have eg delicate wrists. can't really use guns effecutally if your two fists together weigh less than a gulp of beer.)
1718601;1506733686;asciilifeform;and there are photos, the chix looked all right.
1718602;1506733696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they fired from platform yo.
1718603;1506733709;asciilifeform;from earth mostly aha
1718604;1506733719;mircea_popescu;i don't mean they can't fucking drive a car. i mean that they can't throw it.
1718605;1506733738;asciilifeform;modern tinybullet thing has precious little recoil tho
1718606;1506733758;asciilifeform;and massive springs
1718607;1506733773;asciilifeform;( m16 in particular, it dun even feel like yer firing anything
1718608;1506733776;asciilifeform;)
1718609;1506733782;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1718610;1506733802;mircea_popescu;ah this ar thing fires the short nato round does it.
1718611;1506733811;asciilifeform;really exemplifies 'flavour' of modern american soldiering
1718612;1506733819;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i was thinking of the large rapper stuff automatically.
1718613;1506733823;asciilifeform;ergonomics, no bruises, 11 flavours of icecream.
1718614;1506733856;mircea_popescu;bruise, right ? "permanent bruise of infanterist".
1718615;1506733880;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a 'designated marksman' version firing ye olde winchester long round. but less common , among hobbyists
1718616;1506733896;asciilifeform;mats prolly remembers details.
1718617;1506739389;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> choose! zerocoin or zcash or ethertardium!1! << But no longer KKKorea Koin http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/29/lesser-than-north-korea-joins-china-in-banning-ico-fad-ether-prices-drop-with-news/
1718618;1506741121;BingoBoingo;http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2017/09/26/milwaukee-woman-charged-mayhem-followed-chase-loaded-tow-truck/703536001/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin= << An actual reality winner
1718619;1506741226;BingoBoingo;And a real butt bandit, pls no turdburglars https://archive.is/8fmuQ
1718620;1506741491;BingoBoingo;And Scottish firefighters are being trained to address the increase in Machete injuries afflicting TheQueenzDemoocracy https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/856238/Scottish-firefighters-trained-help-terror-victims
1718621;1506743912;mats;m240b
1718622;1506744071;BingoBoingo;!!Up jawbone
1718623;1506744072;deedbot;jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
1718624;1506744772;mircea_popescu;and in other special purpose instruments,  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XHtWSNnXEw
1718625;1506745756;mod6;interesting instrument there
1718626;1506770917;davout;neat, have any vids where it's actually played?
1718627;1506776617;mircea_popescu;davout for instance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ50T-QBSg0
1718628;1506776725;mircea_popescu;known as "vioara cu goarna" in romanian (higheghe cu tolcer in local dialect ; stroh violin in other local dialect) if you want to look it up yourself. it's the chosen / symbolic instrument of bihor country in transylvania, but widely used in teh nortern countries (of romania).
1718629;1506776757;mircea_popescu;and yes django'd have conceivably loved it, it's specifically toned for his interests.
1718630;1506776840;mircea_popescu;basically it's a violin using a metal plate as a mechanical amplifier. early 1900s idea.
1718631;1506776874;davout;this is intensely cool
1718632;1506776905;mircea_popescu;competent romanians will tell you the instrument's required in serious gypsy band yes.
1718633;1506777192;davout;check the mirror dudes out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=635ljhj4guQ
1718634;1506777244;mircea_popescu;hehe
1718635;1506777255;mircea_popescu;that's a dood and his son actually.
1718636;1506777297;mircea_popescu;(the principal limitation of the instrument is that the sound is directional. that's why the twin players is so tempting.)
1718637;1506779531;mircea_popescu;and all this "forking" and "bitcoin cash" and "segwit" and "protocols" and "agreements" bullshit readily brings to mind the old age discussion of all the "alt" bitcoin flavours, back when the item was called doge and the idiots with delusions of self importance were called jackson palmer, kevin rose etc : http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptib
1718638;1506779531;mircea_popescu;le-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/
1718639;1506779947;mircea_popescu;(dogegoin, which "still exists" has a "market cap" of whatever, >100mn, according to the websites printing arbitrary values next to text strings ; similarily myspace.com is worth $70 mn according to "Worth Of Web Calculator - World's #1 Website Value Calculator")
1718640;1506781177;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1718641;1506781182;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4274.17, vol: 7485.08466905 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4306.2, vol: 24957.02007659 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 406.48370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4290.1, vol: 3013.91999922 | Volume-weighted last average: 4297.29049703
1718642;1506786817;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/GhTjl ( and elsewhere, e.g. https://archive.is/uvS7m ) >> 'Jose Lugo said the tall metal towers quickly appeared up after the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel tolls booths came down. “We don’t really know what’s the purpose of this,” he told Carlin. It’s a $100 million MTA project shrouded in secrecy, with 18 of them for tunnels and bridges. So what are they exactly? The MTA’s man in charge of the
1718643;1506786817;asciilifeform; bridges and tunnels, Cedrick Fulton, dodged Carlin’s questions Wednesday. “I said no comment,” he said.'
1718644;1506786992;asciilifeform;geometry in photo https://archive.is/uvS7m/6e8269aebe24e3f6332a9503b657b22213e71903.jpg suggests a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-19#1302879
1718645;1506786992;a111;Logged on 2015-10-19 21:14 assbot: NYPD caught using X-ray vans to search the public, refuses court order to release details | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCA1cv )
1718646;1506787128;asciilifeform;( and/or http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460181 , and naturally also simply money siphon, aka распил бюджета )
1718647;1506787128;a111;Logged on 2016-05-01 16:43 asciilifeform: usg luuuuvs to know at the borders if you're pissing neutrons (note what price of helium on the market did in past 20 yrs. us dhs bought up most of it, for tubes)
1718648;1506787454;mircea_popescu;i thought mta ran on public funds.
1718649;1506787460;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "no comment" ?
1718650;1506790877;mod6;how's it goin?
1718651;1506790906;mircea_popescu;eagerly awaiting deedbot 's reemergence
1718652;1506790974;mod6;*nod*
1718653;1506791769;mod6;To close the loop here a bit, the vtron stuff I've been doing in ada is a lot faster now than it was -- just needed to get some better loop control.
1718654;1506791856;mod6;Basically when working with Strings.Fixed I end up making arrays (of fixed size) of strings (of fixed size), need to use caution always to not continue to iterate if the string at a given index is filled with ' '.
1718655;1506791923;mod6;Doing such, avoid use of the heap.  And there is quite a bit of manipulation I have to do with the strings.  So that adds some cost, because I'm basically doing the parsing on my own.  I'm not using any weird 3rd party libs.
1718656;1506791992;mod6;Anyway, there is some hope here perhaps -- got a long way to go.
1718657;1506792054;mod6;The good news is I'm learning stuff.
1718658;1506792096;mod6;!!up p0nziph0ne
1718659;1506792097;deedbot;p0nziph0ne voiced for 30 minutes.
1718660;1506793449;mod6;Another thing worth the mention is that my ada-vtron shells out to gpg - which adds some time as well.  one thing I think that would help is if I could figure out how to capture the shell command output directly back into the application instead of having to write to a file, then read the file back into the program.
1718661;1506793457;mod6;if anyone knows how to do this, let me know.
1718662;1506793677;mod6;for example, I do a bunch of this in perl: @result = `gpg --bla --bla`; foreach(@result) { }
1718663;1506793709;mod6;but as far as I can tell, there is no way to do that in ada.  the general thing i've seen out on the web is that you must write the output of the shell command to a file, then read it back in.
1718664;1506793785;mod6;anyway, this is all just experimental stuff.  no worries.
1718665;1506794686;asciilifeform;mod6: http://www.adacore.com/adaanswers/gems/gem-54/
1718666;1506794832;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718648 << nsa, cia also 'run on public funds', lol
1718667;1506794832;a111;Logged on 2017-09-30 16:04 mircea_popescu: i thought mta ran on public funds.
1718668;1506795157;mod6;thanks alf!
1718669;1506795165;asciilifeform;lemme know if it worx, mod6
1718670;1506795168;mod6;i'd been avoiding using GNAT libs... maybe I shouldn't have been?
1718671;1506795171;asciilifeform;( i have not personally tried )
1718672;1506795188;asciilifeform;mod6: doing os-related cruft presents a choice b/w gnat libs and c callouts
1718673;1506795198;asciilifeform;you will notice, for mmap i picked the latteer
1718674;1506795200;asciilifeform;*latter
1718675;1506795213;mod6;ya.  i was looking at your stuff to sort of guide me a bit.
1718676;1506795214;asciilifeform;because adacore's mmap lib is a massive pile of shit ( e.g. includes winblowzisms )
1718677;1506795228;mod6;i'm strictly doing c callouts.
1718678;1506795242;asciilifeform;the cost is, then you gotta make'em behave adaistically
1718679;1506795253;asciilifeform;( i.e. no possibility of string fandango, etc )
1718680;1506795270;mod6;but am flexible.  my basic aim is to write the code, keep it as tight and functionally appropriate as possible, then tune it later.
1718681;1506795327;mod6;<+asciilifeform> the cost is, then you gotta make'em behave adaistically << yeah, my approach now seems sane.  might be a bit expensive tho.  so, if there's a better way thats still 'sane', will try that and report back.
1718682;1506795384;asciilifeform;the sane approach consists of isolating all of the unixoid crud in separate .ads/.adb , make it compact.
1718683;1506795389;mod6;anyway, it's been pretty cool to see this thing come to life.  im now in the process of building the big map of vpatch->srcfile->{hash_a, hash_b}
1718684;1506795394;asciilifeform;neato.
1718685;1506795426;mod6;<+asciilifeform> the sane approach consists of isolating all of the unixoid crud in separate .ads/.adb , make it compact. << ah, this is even deeper than i have it for sure.
1718686;1506795495;mod6;eitherway, thanks for the tip.
1718687;1506795499;asciilifeform;sure.
1718688;1506795532;mod6;how's it goin with ffa stuff?
1718689;1506795550;asciilifeform;still on barrett
1718690;1506795638;mod6;werd.  exciting stuff.  wish i could help more :/
1718691;1506796002;asciilifeform;the continuing lulzy part is how everywhere on the net you will find 'constant time crypto libs are available', 'it's a solved problem', 'this reduction routine is constant time', and all of it is liquishit and doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of examination with naked eye
1718692;1506796045;asciilifeform;from openssl down to the crackpot libs, same exact thing, somehow the ~label~ is supposed to... make it so?
1718693;1506796083;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718666 << not at all comparable, federal govt carved itself out some corruption purse ; mta is a local affair, has no such bs legislation.
1718694;1506796083;a111;Logged on 2017-09-30 18:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718648 << nsa, cia also 'run on public funds', lol
1718695;1506796109;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: takes fed moneys, neh
1718696;1506796117;asciilifeform;just like the statehighways etc
1718697;1506796133;mircea_popescu;not afaik
1718698;1506796164;mircea_popescu;indirectly via debt ie "bonds" underwritten by fed via usg.idiots 401k etc
1718699;1506796189;asciilifeform;'New York State’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority has said that it needs $29.8 billion in capital spending over the next five years... ...After months of silence, Gov. Andrew Cuomo has weighed in with a plan: $8.3 billion from the state, $3.2 billion from the city and the rest from the federal government and other sources' -- volkischer beobachter, aug. 2015
1718700;1506796198;mircea_popescu;a nm, their 2015 five year plan 30bn is a jumble.
1718701;1506796445;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718691 << in the same vein, "everywhere on the net" you see discussion of "stalin purges" and headcounts and commentary past satiem and  nauseam. what you won't find is a fucking LIST OF NAMES. AT ALL.
1718702;1506796445;a111;Logged on 2017-09-30 18:26 asciilifeform: the continuing lulzy part is how everywhere on the net you will find 'constant time crypto libs are available', 'it's a solved problem', 'this reduction routine is constant time', and all of it is liquishit and doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of examination with naked eye
1718703;1506796468;mircea_popescu;you wanna know which fucking slavsky he supposedly strangled, as it's not the yefrim director of medium machinery ministry, who survived to the 80s ?
1718704;1506796481;mircea_popescu;FUCK YOU!!! details are for terrorists! Stalin killed 20mn people and they had no names!
1718705;1506796496;asciilifeform;he ate'em!11
1718706;1506796595;mircea_popescu;try and find any fucking concrete detail of anything. "global warming!!" yeah, and the measurements are where ? "MTA investment!!" yeah and you did what ? "stalin purges" who ?
1718707;1506796609;mircea_popescu;and so on and so following, an entire anthill of priorless idiots.
1718708;1506796650;mircea_popescu;they could be tachyons for all the fucking difference it'd make, came from the future and going to disappear into the past.
1718709;1506796663;asciilifeform;http://old.memo.ru/memory/spiski.htm << the most liberally snarfing 'list of repressed' derps, funded by usg dos, sum up to 3mil.
1718710;1506796722;asciilifeform;and incidentally whenever i dig out an actual case file ( there are not many in public domain , no prizes for guessing why ) it dun read like a 'arrested for nuffin'
1718711;1506796745;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, a list of 20mn names would be too long, here's instead a 1.2gb video version of me going uuuuhhh ummm in a concrete cell with plastic loose wallpaper!"
1718712;1506796760;asciilifeform;more typically a 'stole from employer for decade+, and then Cruelly Unjustly Repressed (tm)'
1718713;1506796775;asciilifeform;'but i was just orcing, like any other orc'
1718714;1506796775;mircea_popescu;cuz fucking obviously, their windows notepad croaks if confronted with a 100mb csv, whereas their windows media player plays the uhhhhs and ummms just fine.
1718715;1506796778;mircea_popescu;buncha monkeys.
1718716;1506796808;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but it's not in fucking english, the language of the premiere science engineering shitheads in the world, now is it.
1718717;1506796829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and fwiw, CUR is how you say ass in romanian.
1718718;1506796962;asciilifeform;http://rosagr.natm.ru/memorybook.php << another interhashinlkomyooniti-suppored derpatron; claims 1.5mil searchable bios
1718719;1506796978;asciilifeform;incidentally when is anybody gonna make one of these for usa
1718720;1506796989;asciilifeform;could be 100mil easy as pie
1718721;1506797136;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718706 << i find it interesting how the racket is supposed, evidently, to work : the details somehow 'have been reified into The Consensus Reality (tm)(r) and consequently Only A Terrorist would demand to 'reopen the case', demand raw figures, verifiable-anythings.
1718722;1506797136;a111;Logged on 2017-09-30 18:36 mircea_popescu: try and find any fucking concrete detail of anything. "global warming!!" yeah, and the measurements are where ? "MTA investment!!" yeah and you did what ? "stalin purges" who ?
1718723;1506797158;asciilifeform;( witness how they treat localhost 'deniers' etc )
1718724;1506797646;mircea_popescu;anyway, fwiw slavsky is identified as Yemelyan Mikhailovich Yaroslavsky. and reich is likely zinaida, esenin's wif.
1718725;1506797766;asciilifeform;not strangled at all tho
1718726;1506797772;mircea_popescu;which ?
1718727;1506797778;asciilifeform;yaroslavsky
1718728;1506797808;mircea_popescu;http://rosagr.natm.ru/memorybook.php?fam=%DF%F0%EE%F1%EB%E0%E2%F1%EA%E8%E9&im=&otc=&birth=none&bday=1&bmonth=1&byear=&arrest=none&aday=1&amonth=1&ayear=&book=all&subm=%CF%EE%E8%F1%EA << fellow pointedly absent.
1718729;1506797826;asciilifeform;i assume we're discussing the propagandist ?
1718730;1506797826;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ? died 1943 in moscow of what ?
1718731;1506797860;asciilifeform;cancer, as far as anybody knows.
1718732;1506797865;mircea_popescu;"being a trotskist" afaik.
1718733;1506797871;asciilifeform;nope?
1718734;1506797874;mircea_popescu;hm.
1718735;1506797889;mircea_popescu;wouldn't be the first time romanian history of the urss diverges from russians' own idea.
1718736;1506797951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how far does the disagreement go ? y. wrote a likbez on bolshevic orthodoxy that stalin found extremely apt in 1940, and then full of heresies in 1943. aye or nay ?
1718737;1506798002;asciilifeform;afaik d00d was never publicly defrocked, or even rebuked, buried with honour in the fortress wall
1718738;1506798009;mircea_popescu;his book was fucvking banned!
1718739;1506798034;asciilifeform;which book
1718740;1506798048;mircea_popescu;history of communist party.
1718741;1506798060;mircea_popescu;the "reliable guide" of 1920s.
1718742;1506798093;asciilifeform;let's verify that we have same d00d ?
1718743;1506798095;asciilifeform;http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_ya/jaroslavski_em.php << him ?
1718744;1506798147;asciilifeform;( scroll to the caricature, also. )
1718745;1506798158;asciilifeform;afaik d00d sucked stalin's cock till the day he died.
1718746;1506798158;mircea_popescu;мельян Михайлович Ярославский born gubelman.
1718747;1506798160;mircea_popescu;same man.
1718748;1506798179;mircea_popescu;we are discussing the cock not the sucker here tho.
1718749;1506798186;mircea_popescu;yes, most of them sucked it till the end.
1718750;1506798222;asciilifeform;wrote canonical bio of stalin, sat on the librorum prohibitorum committees, etc
1718751;1506798309;mircea_popescu;well nikita also wrote cannonical obit of stalin, but the point is, he did fall at some point in the 30s, his historia was indexed, and so on.
1718752;1506798314;mircea_popescu;might have been reprieved.
1718753;1506798320;mircea_popescu;might have died of cancewr, i guess.
1718754;1506798326;asciilifeform;last link defo not prosov www. and yet 0 record, there or anywhere, of y having written a book that got unhappened etc
1718755;1506798343;mircea_popescu;the self-same history of the bolshevik party.
1718756;1506798412;asciilifeform;https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/4440538/ << hey is that is
1718757;1506798414;asciilifeform;*it
1718758;1506798444;mircea_popescu;naaa
1718759;1506798480;mircea_popescu;hmn
1718760;1506798514;mircea_popescu;the original item was called "History" not "victory". this looks like a 60s reprint maybe ?
1718761;1506798529;mircea_popescu;the original item, published 1926 or such
1718762;1506798545;asciilifeform;waiwat
1718763;1506798549;asciilifeform;that's what it is, История ВКП(б)
1718764;1506798559;asciilifeform;1934.
1718765;1506798593;mircea_popescu;oook, i found reference! lyova wrote to trotsky on 19 nov 1937, and trotsky replied jan 22 next year, they are discussing the stalin ban on the yaroslavsky item!
1718766;1506798604;asciilifeform;let's have it?
1718767;1506798619;mircea_popescu;well this may take a little, where the fuck does one find this shit online.
1718768;1506798864;asciilifeform;all i dug up is various folx contesting the authorship
1718769;1506798869;mircea_popescu;sorry asciilifeform . all i have are my own notes, which are as all hand notes useless without hte backing of the library of origin (in this case, the universitary library of cluj). teh interwebs dun seem to have a "here's the list of trotsky letters".
1718770;1506798884;asciilifeform;( for n00bz : subj b00k became Official Truth on party history etc )
1718771;1506798913;mircea_popescu;problem compounded by the fact that my only interest in the matter stems from an obscure mention in an post-war anti-soviet propaganda song by some guy i studied.
1718772;1506798940;asciilifeform;http://www.stalindigitalarchive.com << in other lulz
1718773;1506798951;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: moscopol ?
1718774;1506798963;mircea_popescu;yes.
1718775;1506798981;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, other event, also from 1931 : ryazanov got outsted from his mit. aye or nay ?
1718776;1506799015;mircea_popescu;3rd event, for the pattern : stalin personally wrote against the whole staff of proletarian revolution, for "trafficking trotskism". aye or nay ?
1718777;1506799043;asciilifeform;1 at a time...
1718778;1506799045;asciilifeform;which ryazanov
1718779;1506799060;mircea_popescu;the one that lead the marx-engels institute
1718780;1506799095;asciilifeform;d. b. ryazanov aite
1718781;1506799102;mircea_popescu;david, born goldensomething or the other. guy died in 38.
1718782;1506799170;asciilifeform;ate lead yea
1718783;1506799215;mircea_popescu;ok so, for summation : the objection re the gazette was that it said something about rosa luxembourg (as the habit was to glorify the three l's, and stalin wanted it broken) ; the objection re ryazanov was that he typified a sort of marxist-leninist scholarship that was stalin-indifferent, stalin didn't like. and the objection re yaroslavski was that his original, 1920s item reflected a history not sufficiently flattering for
1718784;1506799215;mircea_popescu; stalin, by for instance daring mention that trotski was you know, minister of war, rather than consumate conspirator.
1718785;1506799227;mircea_popescu;now, your argument here is that the last two got hung but the first escaped ?
1718786;1506799238;asciilifeform;by all indications
1718787;1506799252;mircea_popescu;well, whether this is true or not, at the time my guy wrote it hadn't happened yet.
1718788;1506799252;asciilifeform;escaped by 'turning on a dime' when asked.
1718789;1506799258;mircea_popescu;tis possible.
1718790;1506799268;mircea_popescu;was young enough, unlike r.
1718791;1506799304;asciilifeform;the observation re stalin rm -rf / 'ing the well-developed wot pre-dating him, is old hat and entirely tru
1718792;1506799386;asciilifeform;though i will add that if there had been not a stalin, and this were not done, su would look like zimbabwe (or, charitably, argentina et al)
1718793;1506799405;asciilifeform;iirc we had the thread.
1718794;1506799511;asciilifeform;old man iosif vissarionovich nixed the luxembourgs, lenins, 'world revolution' crapola, leftist idiocies in the vein of 'free luvv', cancellation of money, of military ranks, of whatever semblance of order, mulched, as necessary, the kakobreklas who balked
1718795;1506799535;asciilifeform;then slaughtered the moos and out of their bone starch built industry etc.
1718796;1506799614;asciilifeform;modern historians paint the textbook edits, 'gentle suggestions', etc. as an evil, but as i see it the man went and 'tried soft power' first
1718797;1506799622;asciilifeform;this didn't work. proceeded with mulching.
1718798;1506799694;asciilifeform;beheaded ~100k or so (near as i can tell) 'pantsuits' , to make it stick.
1718799;1506799722;mircea_popescu;well, the interest of the historian is not you know, ethical.
1718800;1506799755;asciilifeform;depends on the distance.
1718801;1506799757;mircea_popescu;i just wanna be able to decode five syllables on an ancient rca record. the man says, in romanian phonetics, "raic si slavski"
1718802;1506799762;mircea_popescu;which who the fuck are they ?
1718803;1506799787;asciilifeform;near as i can tell, the folx pissing on stalin today, divide into usefulidjits and the actively pantsuited ( who would ~prefer~ an argentina in place of su )
1718804;1506799812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is it possible that he meant the czech ?
1718805;1506799813;asciilifeform;slansky
1718806;1506799819;mircea_popescu;no because he comes later.
1718807;1506799821;asciilifeform;hm.
1718808;1506799824;mircea_popescu;both historically and in the song.
1718809;1506799837;asciilifeform;when was the song ?
1718810;1506799839;mircea_popescu;now, i'm pretty sure i got them right, esenin's wife and yaroslavski. but old ro guard disagrees,
1718811;1506799860;mircea_popescu;granted disagrees with boneheaded traditions identifying the latter as this guy who was you know, active throughout the 70s and 80s.
1718812;1506799889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hard to date, but between 1946 and 1958 or so.
1718813;1506799913;asciilifeform;rudolf slansky swung in '52
1718814;1506799919;asciilifeform;after ostentatious show trial
1718815;1506799937;asciilifeform;so it could be the czech, neh
1718816;1506799942;mircea_popescu;probably during petru groza cabinet, 52 to 58
1718817;1506799952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform problem with these items is that they are one step removed from gypsy fare. the words change.
1718818;1506799961;mircea_popescu;it is customary to sing them like i tell jokes : about the persons present.
1718819;1506799989;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : "Asa dupa Reichxxiii si Slavskyxxiv Stalin curata pe Slanskyxxv iar Malenkov pe Beriaxxvi, ca sa nu-l mai supere cu peria." << whole verse.
1718820;1506800014;asciilifeform;hmm
1718821;1506800015;mircea_popescu;so after reich and slavski, stalin executed slansky, and malenkov beria to no longer bother him with the brush.
1718822;1506800025;mircea_popescu;this verse was not written in one day.
1718823;1506800089;asciilifeform;gotta wonder from where author drew his input
1718824;1506800100;asciilifeform;to where his light cone even extended.
1718825;1506800104;mircea_popescu;pretty much literal fascists.
1718826;1506800113;asciilifeform;but which fascists.
1718827;1506800151;asciilifeform;( nor does being a fascist automagically give you a window into the shooting cellar, and name of every d00d on the conveyor, lol, in real time )
1718828;1506800155;mircea_popescu;as for eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697137
1718829;1506800155;a111;Logged on 2017-08-11 18:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, he was bishop of cluj and nearly ended up patriarch
1718830;1506800259;asciilifeform;upstack, http://www.stalindigitalarchive.com/frontend/node/3#tag=VKP has supposed scans of original drafts, stalin's red ink, correspondence, relating to subj b00k. but the yale people want a reg and asciilifeform can't be arsed.
1718831;1506800273;mircea_popescu;heh
1718832;1506800337;asciilifeform;this item reminds asciilifeform of his highschool thesis-thing, which was a massive dig into the primary docs re lysenko
1718833;1506800381;asciilifeform;who, interestingly, today has his defenders. iirc we had the thread.
1718834;1506800410;mircea_popescu;do you know of any other possible candidate to fill the sound /slavskʲ/ ?
1718835;1506800416;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646050 << thread, iirc )
1718836;1506800416;a111;Logged on 2017-04-19 15:49 asciilifeform: let's briefly visit another time, place : the showdown between lysenko and vavilov.
1718837;1506800419;asciilifeform;hmm
1718838;1506800493;asciilifeform;http://www.veteranrosatom.ru/articles/articles_276.html << surely not him
1718839;1506800563;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem likely does it.
1718840;1506800570;asciilifeform;nope.
1718841;1506800581;asciilifeform;i suspect we have a bitrot artifact.
1718842;1506800597;mircea_popescu;do you recall the now-famous davai zdreantsa incident ?
1718843;1506800631;asciilifeform;per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684571 ?
1718844;1506800631;a111;Logged on 2017-07-15 19:08 mircea_popescu: this is done universally and to everything, german, russian, turkish. zdreantsa!
1718845;1506800655;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683806 prolly better link
1718846;1506800655;a111;Logged on 2017-07-14 20:19 phf: apparently the complete form is "davai zdreanta, desdemona! -- kakoy zdreanta, otela, blya??"
1718847;1506800692;asciilifeform;aa yea
1718848;1506801351;mircea_popescu;i find all 1943 cases of cancer highly suspect.
1718849;1506801365;mircea_popescu;for that money reich also had cancer of the phnatom udder.
1718850;1506801396;asciilifeform;but not of stroke, or typhoid ?
1718851;1506801413;mircea_popescu;less, somehow.
1718852;1506801428;asciilifeform;i mean, if we're still doing yaroslavsky, as far as available data goes, d00d lived and died a bootlick
1718853;1506801448;mircea_popescu;died 1943.
1718854;1506801575;asciilifeform;i've nothing against a version where he Had To Have Problems, but currently not seeing anything that'd point in that direction
1718855;1506801603;asciilifeform;i can see even why stalin might've nailed kirov, his personal friend
1718856;1506801617;asciilifeform;but yaroslavsky - nfi why
1718857;1506801632;mats;in my experience not every unit had a weapon system suited to the designated marksman role, which can often just be the guy with the most accuracy and an acog scope, or a saw gunner, or a 240b
1718858;1506801662;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718796 << re this, the ~whole objection re trump is that he didn't go into the first press conference with "1. nobody who worked for us govt in the past five years can continue to do so ; 2. i will propose at most one name to congress. they have 48 hour to approve. if i don't propose, or they don't approve, or they approve in 48h01m, the whole dept in question gets unwound, including by publ
1718859;1506801662;a111;Logged on 2017-09-30 19:26 asciilifeform: modern historians paint the textbook edits, 'gentle suggestions', etc. as an evil, but as i see it the man went and 'tried soft power' first
1718860;1506801662;mircea_popescu;ic auction of furniture". and then cleared the hall of pressjews with the mounted police, breaking as many heads as at all possible.
1718861;1506801668;mats;poverty of equipment, my platoon didn't have one but some others did
1718862;1506801691;asciilifeform;mats: so who and where carries the .308 a10 or what was it
1718863;1506801705;mircea_popescu;mats "ar-15 entirely exists because weak-ass usian soldier ersatzes can't carry a proper gun. true or false ?"
1718864;1506801747;mircea_popescu;that's my understanding of it, "we'll delegate small arms supression fire to the a-10 airborne platform, and then discontinue it. soldiers can carry icecream cones."
1718865;1506801757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc smallbulletism began in early '60s, and a continuation of german crackpottery, sturmgewehr 'intermediate'
1718866;1506801785;mircea_popescu;just about the time the new generation of orwell bedwetters started whining about how they're affraid of the enemy.
1718867;1506801792;mircea_popescu;so yes, joan baez days.
1718868;1506801816;asciilifeform;the 'wound'em, not kill, tie up 3 men' thing has merit, neh
1718869;1506801831;asciilifeform;plus the 'if yer mostly laying down suppressivefire, smaller bullet worx as well as gigantic'
1718870;1506801844;mircea_popescu;neh. because if you're behind a concrete wall and i'm behind a concrete wall, i'd rather unzip and piss on you than try and fire a shitass 5mm gun
1718871;1506801861;mats;asciilifeform: i never encountered it but i wasn't infantry, we didn't have a use for it, snipers had m24
1718872;1506801883;asciilifeform;drilling through concrete is for work for squad machinegun, neh, not for small arm
1718873;1506801887;mircea_popescu;is that the remington 700 re-sold for 5x the list price ?
1718874;1506801900;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the theory of this sounds a lot different from the practice of this.
1718875;1506801906;mats;mircea_popescu: works well in iraqi cities, not so much in afghan
1718876;1506801919;mircea_popescu;the only extra hole in my hide i acquired through ricochet under car, nearly lost a knee.
1718877;1506801950;mircea_popescu;if it were small it'd never have made it.
1718878;1506801992;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you weighed it when it came out of the meat ?
1718879;1506801999;mircea_popescu;i even kept it a while.
1718880;1506802001;asciilifeform;which round was it
1718881;1506802002;mircea_popescu;was but fragment.
1718882;1506802005;asciilifeform;aa
1718883;1506802012;asciilifeform;then who knows which
1718884;1506802026;mircea_popescu;what, you think the op survived to carry the source away ?
1718885;1506802033;mircea_popescu;what is this.
1718886;1506802054;asciilifeform;i dun think mircea_popescu ever told the story, aside from the detail where he had an extra hole. so nfi.
1718887;1506802082;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu irrespective, the point remains that in most actual engagements, there's a minimum projectile size worth firing.
1718888;1506802117;mircea_popescu;also the notion that wounded men stop firing, and limp around like little bitches is borne of little familiarity with any actual war.
1718889;1506802163;asciilifeform;usg army is built for panamas, not stalingrads.
1718890;1506802170;mircea_popescu;at which point revisiting http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ is probably apropos. doods were firing at helicopters with enough lead inside to make a set of toy soldiers.
1718891;1506802261;mircea_popescu;but anyway : the "wounded man ties up 3 soldiers", other than the baked in presumptions that these are the caring kind of soldiers and the inept kind of wounded, also neglects to mention that ricochet has killed more peopl;e than direct fire since the invention of gunpowder. and by a factor of 10 to 100, not piddly.
1718892;1506802355;asciilifeform;what's mircea_popescu's hypothesis re why su army did not see through smallbulletism , and adopted ?
1718893;1506802369;mircea_popescu;why did su not see through atomic bomb, and adopted ?
1718894;1506802384;mircea_popescu;su suffered from chinese disease of monkeying tv.
1718895;1506802403;asciilifeform;bomb was a good deal tho
1718896;1506802414;mircea_popescu;in what sense ?
1718897;1506802415;asciilifeform;'touch moscow, lose london'
1718898;1506802427;mircea_popescu;you think anyone gives a flying fuck ?
1718899;1506802438;mircea_popescu;srsly now. youi think anyone cared ? then or now ? london, really ?
1718900;1506802440;mircea_popescu;you ever been ?
1718901;1506802462;asciilifeform;never been, and 0 plans
1718902;1506802470;mircea_popescu;so from your pov, already lost ?
1718903;1506802495;asciilifeform;proverbial!11 london. as in, separate addr for every particular derp with napoleonic ambitions
1718904;1506802525;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with "wasting" money, in the sense of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711187 yhes good for them, got bomb, got into rocketry, won space race etc.
1718905;1506802525;a111;Logged on 2017-09-07 16:12 mircea_popescu: there can be no further accomplishment than this, in the sense of fundamental research.
1718906;1506802533;mircea_popescu;but this is not really decided on the merits, is it.
1718907;1506802559;mircea_popescu;maybe through fielding 3mm bullets and peashooters for them they discover a new way to please the females, insert into urethra and empty magazine.
1718908;1506802576;mircea_popescu;if this were to happen it still wouldn't be an argument for the military value of shooting pea.
1718909;1506802579;asciilifeform;lol
1718910;1506802630;mircea_popescu;on the strict, first layer implications, soviets eating the bomb bait produced some rich us contractors and a bankrupt su economy.
1718911;1506802668;asciilifeform;and if not eaten, quite probably would've been glassed some time in 50s-60s.
1718912;1506802680;mircea_popescu;this has little value, obviously, exactly in the sense cancer prevention has little value. "oh we stopped smoking and yet" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-25#1716989 what could be the explanatuion!!!
1718913;1506802680;a111;Logged on 2017-09-25 09:43 mircea_popescu: aand in yet more lulz : cancer incidence increased in us adolescents by a steady 0.5 - 0.6% per year, each year, since 1975.
1718914;1506802682;asciilifeform;( or 'democratized', panamized. )
1718915;1506802700;mircea_popescu;obviously the fucking explanation is that the sort of bioscum that get cancer from smoking will still get the cancer from other things ifthey can't get it from smoking
1718916;1506802701;mircea_popescu;doh.
1718917;1506802742;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform arguably it was so democratized anyway. bombs didn't do jack did they.
1718918;1506802793;asciilifeform;if a great pistolero, attacked by none, grows senile and finally slips in bathtub, it does not say anything re value of pistol.
1718919;1506802807;asciilifeform;pistol is not immortality pill.
1718920;1506802845;asciilifeform;and everybody, people, empires -- gotta die of sumthing.
1718921;1506802883;mircea_popescu;i thought the whole fucking point of politics was to discover the thing that needn't die.
1718922;1506802890;asciilifeform;and if one is not indifferent re how to die, on knees or standing -- then pistol is valuable.
1718923;1506802894;mircea_popescu;else why even fucking bother with any thing at all.
1718924;1506802928;asciilifeform;lol, why bother to clean kitchen when don't have thousandyearreich yet ?
1718925;1506802941;asciilifeform;what is this, gabriel_laddel ?
1718926;1506802944;mircea_popescu;i mean "Any thing at all" in the way of politics.
1718927;1506802964;mircea_popescu;if this form of organziation, govt, what you call it, society, ANYTHING does not come with promise of permanence, why am i even considering it ?
1718928;1506802990;asciilifeform;imho kitchen 1st, 1000yr reich 2nd. in politics or in engine maintenance or wherever.
1718929;1506802992;mircea_popescu;go fix it first and bother me when you have.
1718930;1506803001;mircea_popescu;until then, no need of any of it.
1718931;1506803022;mircea_popescu;in other words, the mp strong argument for anarchism : the only regime that may be temporary is anarchism.
1718932;1506803038;mircea_popescu;anything else, must make strong case for permanence.
1718933;1506803066;asciilifeform;proof of permanence are to be requested from the splenduferious goddess on olympus, or where.
1718934;1506803078;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not invested in this.
1718935;1506803081;asciilifeform;they dun have'em on my homeplanet.
1718936;1506803083;mircea_popescu;when they find them, they can notify.
1718937;1506803142;mircea_popescu;if the rule is "to fly with apparatus heavier than air must generate lift in excess of weight", there's no rider going "but tell us where to find such lift".
1718938;1506803154;mircea_popescu;find it and ye may fly ; find it not and stfu in a chorus.
1718939;1506805417;mircea_popescu;re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718873 if it wasn't obvious the reason it's famous is the  https://www.facebook.com/remingtonarmscompany/videos/1863133148249/ vs https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/17/states-join-objections-to-remington-rifle-settlement.html lulz.
1718940;1506805417;a111;Logged on 2017-09-30 20:04 mircea_popescu: is that the remington 700 re-sold for 5x the list price ?
1718941;1506805489;mircea_popescu;(remington 700 fires without trigger interaction ; longstanding problem, hundreds of deaths/injuries, multiple lawsuits. cca 1995-2005 remington kept pushing out "point by point responses" and other nonsense, which they've meanwhile beleeted throughout, including spam domains a la remington700.tv and such "deniable" efforts "by consultants". in 2017, half the DAs oppose a settlement on the grounds that insufficient.
1718942;1506805565;mircea_popescu;as far as remington isconcerned however, a proposal to replace ~8mn triggers is not a recall!
1718943;1506806355;asciilifeform;hey, ppsh fired when dropped
1718944;1506806362;asciilifeform;would discharge the whole drum, even
1718945;1506808171;mircea_popescu;myeah.